| 00:00.12 | pipeline | cafe_roy: After you serve your 20+ year sentence in the worst prisons on earth, all of your neighbors will have your name, photo, and a list of your crimes, in order to persecute you. |
| 00:00.18 | cafuego | Ronin: Apparently murderes are allowed to have a life after serving their sentence. |
| 00:00.20 | Ronin | i personally don't see a problem with stringing up someone with kiddie porn, but they do need to work on the double standards a tad |
| 00:00.20 | pipeline | err, cafuego, rather |
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| 00:00.44 | cafuego | Ronin: Honestly, people who like kids (in ANY way) need professional help. |
| 00:01.07 | cafuego | That includes parents. |
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| 00:01.40 | Patad | anyone know why? |
| 00:01.45 | Ronin | umm i suspect theres a difference between liking kids and LIKING kids |
| 00:01.55 | cafuego | Ronin: They're all the same to me. |
| 00:02.02 | cafuego | Filthy little human maggots. |
| 00:02.06 | Ronin | heh |
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| 00:02.34 | jclinton | Seriously, can this topic go to #politics please? |
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| 00:02.38 | Patad | hey is it apt-get -f ; dist-upgrade ????? |
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| 00:02.47 | cafuego | pipeline: No, it's not. |
| 00:02.54 | cafuego | Patad too |
| 00:03.02 | Patad | cafuego, i cant remember what it was |
| 00:03.19 | setnf | $ xchat |
| 00:03.19 | setnf | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server How could I solve it: Im logged in X with user 1 but i want start xchat with user 2 how could I ? |
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| 00:03.37 | cafuego | Patad: apt-get -f install |
| 00:03.47 | Patad | cafuego, what about dist-update? |
| 00:03.50 | cafuego | setnf: run 'su user' rather than 'su - user' |
| 00:03.58 | cafuego | Patad: dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.11 | Patad | cafuego, it says dpkg was interupted... |
| 00:04.29 | cafuego | Patad: if it says that it also tells you what to do. |
| 00:04.38 | Patad | cafuego, manually fix it? |
| 00:04.41 | cafuego | see that 'dpkg --configure -a' ? |
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| 00:05.04 | setnf | cafuego, now another error: $ xchat |
| 00:05.06 | setnf | (xchat:1181): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 00:05.07 | Patad | cafuego, thats correct |
| 00:05.19 | cafuego | Patad: Well then. |
| 00:05.30 | Eclipser | setnf, sux |
| 00:05.34 | cafuego | setnf: export DISPLAY=0.0 |
| 00:05.45 | cafuego | :0.0 even |
| 00:05.45 | Patad | cafuego, once i do it, it says that parese error in file, /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003 near line 5 package gnome-panel-data |
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| 00:06.03 | cafuego | Patad: Broken package. You on Sid? |
| 00:06.19 | Patad | cafuego, i was updating woody to sarge when the hdd crashed... |
| 00:06.22 | setnf | cafuego, exported, same error another idea ? |
| 00:06.42 | Eclipser | setnf, use sux instead of su |
| 00:06.45 | cafuego | Patad: if the HDD crashed, that dpkg error is the LEAST of your worries. |
| 00:07.07 | Patad | cafuego, the hdd is working fine now but i need to finish the update |
| 00:07.16 | Patad | cafuego, 80 more meg to download :( |
| 00:07.22 | setnf | Eclipser, i will download sudo |
| 00:07.30 | cafuego | Patad: No, the crashs eems to have corrupted a bunch of files. Inclusing /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003 |
| 00:07.39 | Eclipser | suit yourself |
| 00:08.04 | setnf | Eclipser, downloaded and installed and now ? |
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| 00:08.22 | Eclipser | ask someone who has used sudo :) |
| 00:08.25 | Patad | cafuego, i did a check on all the hdds and fixed a hell load of errors.. |
| 00:08.30 | setnf | ok |
| 00:08.40 | Patad | cafuego, but i have no idea how to fix this dpkg error |
| 00:08.55 | cafuego | Patad: Normally with 'vi' or replace from a backup. |
| 00:09.06 | cafuego | Patad: You need to fix line 5 of /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003 |
| 00:09.09 | Eclipser | setnf, man sudo should help too |
| 00:09.16 | Patad | sure.. |
| 00:09.20 | setnf | Eclipser, sorry i mean sux |
| 00:09.26 | Eclipser | ehheh ok :) |
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| 00:09.30 | miausX | hi :) |
| 00:09.42 | Eclipser | sux (should) work(s) like su |
| 00:09.45 | Eclipser | sux user |
| 00:09.46 | Patad | cafuego, line 5 is Installed-Size: 41 |
| 00:09.56 | Eclipser | then run the command you want |
| 00:10.03 | setnf | ookey |
| 00:10.06 | Scrape | What do I need to do to setup NetBIOS names on my Linux machines? |
| 00:10.33 | pipeline | Scrape: If you're serious about using netBIOS specifically, that won't be fun. |
| 00:10.57 | setnf | Eclipser, thanks it works |
| 00:10.59 | Scrape | pipeline: Well, I need to have NetBIOS names available so that BackupPC can figure out the IP addresses of DHCP clients. |
| 00:11.03 | setnf | Eclipser, n8 brow! |
| 00:11.03 | Eclipser | setnf, no problem |
| 00:11.18 | Eclipser | !n8 |
| 00:11.18 | dpkg | somebody said n8 was a term used commonly by German speakers to indicate "good night"; 8 is "acht" in german, and "nacht" is "night" |
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| 00:11.28 | Eclipser | aha |
| 00:11.45 | miausX | excuse me, is the enlightenment package being orphaned? it seems the maintainer is inactive (I saw that in www.enlightenment.org, section "The Team" --> "Inactive List" --> Laurence J. Lane) |
| 00:12.01 | Patad | cafuego, ?? |
| 00:12.19 | miausX | ljlane is the maintainer of lots E related packages |
| 00:12.23 | Eclipser | miausX, nuu, that would suck |
| 00:12.37 | miausX | Eclipser, yes :( |
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| 00:13.13 | Eclipser | I wonder if I could do the job instead :) |
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| 00:13.30 | Eclipser | anything for the good ol' enlightenment |
| 00:13.49 | miausX | Eclipser, the only changes made in the DR16 CVS (debian directoty) were made by J. Portalier. It has an unofficial repo of DR16 packages (apt-get.org) |
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| 00:14.08 | Scrape | Anyone have any problems w/ occasionally *really slow* DNS lookups using sarge/testing? |
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| 00:14.14 | miausX | He has* ... sorry, I don't speak english very well :) |
| 00:14.27 | Eclipser | I can't wait for Entrance to be stable |
| 00:14.32 | Patad | hey can anyone help me since cagfuego is gone.. |
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| 00:15.03 | Eclipser | uhm |
| 00:15.06 | miausX | Eclipser, are you a debian devel? I want to help too (save E!) :) |
| 00:15.31 | Patad | Eclipser, can u help? |
| 00:15.31 | Eclipser | no I'm not.... yet at least :) |
| 00:15.53 | Eclipser | Patad, what's the problem again |
| 00:15.58 | Patad | Eclipser, dpkg errors in file /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003 |
| 00:16.05 | miausX | we have unofficial repo, but I think we need official and updated E packages :) |
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| 00:16.35 | Patad | Eclipser, near line 5 in package gnome-panel-data.... EOF during value of filed Installed-Size (missing final newline) |
| 00:16.53 | Eclipser | redownload the package? |
| 00:16.56 | Patad | Eclipser, filed = field |
| 00:17.10 | Patad | Eclipser, i cant find it, apt-get doesnt work either |
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| 00:17.19 | xophEr | gnome 2.10 hasnt been packaged yet, ok, any ETA on that one? How long does it usually take? |
| 00:17.22 | Ftroop | oh joy for the 2.6 kernel :) |
| 00:17.32 | dvs | Ftroop: What about it? |
| 00:17.38 | Eclipser | apt-get has some switch whcih I forgot... let me see :) |
| 00:18.01 | pipeline | xophEr: It took forever to get gnome 2.8, but individual features of gnome 2.8 were turning up in packages before gnome 2.8 even came out. |
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| 00:18.09 | Ftroop | solved my audigy probs |
| 00:18.19 | xophEr | ok |
| 00:18.21 | dvs | Ftroop: With ALSA? |
| 00:18.31 | Ftroop | yeah |
| 00:18.42 | dvs | good |
| 00:18.47 | Ftroop | :) |
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| 00:19.36 | Ftroop | dvs sound works fine now just had to disable the digital option and everything is fine |
| 00:19.43 | Eclipser | Patad, what does apt-get say? |
| 00:19.43 | Patad | Eclipser, any luck? |
| 00:19.44 | Eclipser | same aerror? |
| 00:20.11 | Patad | Eclipser, dpkg was interrupted, u must manually run . . . . |
| 00:20.17 | Eclipser | yep |
| 00:20.19 | Eclipser | same thing |
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| 00:20.31 | Eclipser | did you try removing the file it fails on? |
| 00:20.35 | Eclipser | and then run apt-get |
| 00:20.40 | Patad | Eclipser, is it safe to? |
| 00:20.46 | Eclipser | (ignore the typoes, I have too much packet loss :) |
| 00:21.12 | Eclipser | apt-get shoukld detect missing files before it tries installing them |
| 00:21.23 | Eclipser | and you could try using apt-get switch -f |
| 00:21.24 | Golfgeo | nn everyone |
| 00:21.32 | Patad | Eclipser, nope but the file is deleted |
| 00:21.59 | Patad | Eclipser, file 0007 is now corrupt lol |
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| 00:22.10 | Patad | Eclipser, delete all the trobuled files? |
| 00:22.26 | Eclipser | yeh, I don't see any other means to "save" them :) |
| 00:22.36 | Patad | that r only update files |
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| 00:23.38 | Patad | Eclipser, nice its settuping up stuf now! |
| 00:23.59 | Eclipser | good :) |
| 00:24.13 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 00:24.30 | Eclipser | apt-get autoclean is good sometimes... I just got ~500MB free :) |
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| 00:24.40 | Patad | Eclipser, thats becuase i did dpkg --configure . . . . and there was nothing else wrong so its now setting up stuff... ill try that next!! |
| 00:25.07 | Patad | its coz i updated to sarge and it conked out halfway so now i gotta finish it |
| 00:25.13 | rudson | does anybody know how to install kde? |
| 00:25.15 | Patad | so what commands for apt-get should i type |
| 00:25.25 | Eclipser | rudson, apt-get install kde maybe? |
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| 00:26.17 | Eclipser | Patad, apt-get -f install |
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| 00:26.22 | demopizzux | ysalux |
| 00:26.32 | Patad | Eclipser, yerp ill try that,... dist-upgrade? |
| 00:26.42 | m0p | I have a sound problem here! KDE and Gnome can use my sound card fine with the Open Sound System driver, but XMMS and amaroK both refuse to use it and claim that "Your soundcard is configured properly. You are using the right output plugin. No other app is blocking the device" and the title of the dialog is "Couldn't open audio". While playing an audio cd and a couple of MP3's. KDE's notifying sounds play fine. Note, my sound device |
| 00:26.58 | green_earz | rudson: do you xserver set up ? and for kde apt-get install kde-core for a lighter version |
| 00:27.02 | Eclipser | Patad, did it crash while you were downloading that? |
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| 00:27.21 | Patad | Eclipser, it didnt the first time but it did the second |
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| 00:27.43 | Eclipser | well, you can always try if there's anything new to fetch with that :) |
| 00:27.48 | Eclipser | damn this packet loss |
| 00:27.54 | Patad | good point |
| 00:28.00 | m0p | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:28.24 | Patad | Eclipser, ok i did -f install and its doing it now |
| 00:28.46 | chealer | m0p: did you try with another amarok output engine? |
| 00:28.50 | Patad | Eclipser, i have 2 more questions, 1) how will i know that sarge is completely setup and that everything is there |
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| 00:29.02 | Patad | Eclipser, and 2) how do i update my kernel? |
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| 00:29.03 | rudson | THANKS A LOT I NEED SOME REST NOW! |
| 00:29.09 | rudson | GN8 |
| 00:29.11 | rudson | ! |
| 00:29.16 | dvs | good nate? |
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| 00:29.32 | Eclipser | Patad, apt-get ds-upgrade shouldn't give you anything |
| 00:29.34 | Eclipser | dist even |
| 00:29.50 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 00:29.57 | Patad | Eclipser, what should i do? |
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| 00:30.04 | Eclipser | Patad, personally I prefer to compile my kernels myself but you can check apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:30.07 | Eclipser | or something |
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| 00:30.20 | Patad | Eclipser, i wont worry about the kernel then, hmm? |
| 00:30.24 | Eclipser | and install one that suits you |
| 00:30.37 | humbolt | pam-cracklib does not actually force me to use a good password |
| 00:30.37 | dvs | Patad: If you're using the default kernel then I would worry. |
| 00:30.46 | Eclipser | yeh :) |
| 00:30.46 | Patad | dvs lol |
| 00:30.49 | m0p | aRts seems to work in amaroK. Woot! |
| 00:30.58 | Patad | dammit i got errors |
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| 00:31.10 | Patad | sawfish, gnome core and sawfish core |
| 00:31.10 | humbolt | whenever I am told my password is weak, it still asks me to repeat it |
| 00:31.12 | rcyeske | (setq header-line-format '(:eval (mapconcat 'identity (rcirc-channel-nicks rcirc-process rcirc-target) " "))) |
| 00:31.16 | Patad | when doing apt-get -f install |
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| 00:31.21 | rcyeske | oops. |
| 00:31.57 | Eclipser | Patad, what errors |
| 00:31.58 | OleMoudi | any utility to tidy indents, tabs, redundant spaces, etc.. on text files (source files) ? |
| 00:32.01 | pipeline | m0p: I wouldn't consider that something to cheer about. |
| 00:32.04 | pipeline | OleMoudi: indent or emacs |
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| 00:32.29 | cafuego | Eclipser: His disk crashed and he's now got a bunch of corrupted files. I told him to restore from backup, but I am getting ignored. |
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| 00:32.36 | Patad | Eclipser, when i do apt-get install -f, it says that errors were encountered while processing:: sawfish, gnome-core and sawfish-gnome |
| 00:32.44 | Eclipser | cafuego, I got pass that already :) |
| 00:32.47 | Patad | cafuego, u ignored me! |
| 00:32.57 | Patad | cafuego, hdd is working no, just fixing apt-get and dpkg |
| 00:33.11 | Patad | now* |
| 00:33.13 | cafuego | Eclipser: I imagine he's got a /lost+found full of stuff. |
| 00:33.32 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 00:33.36 | Eclipser | maybe |
| 00:33.41 | Patad | lost+found is full hehe |
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| 00:33.51 | cafuego | Patad: is it? |
| 00:33.55 | Patad | yerp |
| 00:34.03 | pipeline | Patad: bad sign |
| 00:34.09 | m0p | mind the stupid question here, but what purpose does lost+found serve? |
| 00:34.09 | Eclipser | yep |
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| 00:34.14 | bucky | ext2 ? |
| 00:34.15 | cafuego | Patad: Each entry there is a file missing from your filesystem. |
| 00:34.21 | Patad | SHIT!!! |
| 00:34.24 | Eclipser | m0p, files get lost and up there |
| 00:34.31 | cafuego | m0p: it's where fsck dumps stuff it can't cope with. |
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| 00:34.40 | Eclipser | +end |
| 00:34.43 | humbolt | why is it that pam_clracklib does not actually care what password I use? It tells me that my password is crap but lets me procede |
| 00:34.44 | Patad | cafuego, can i send em back? |
| 00:34.51 | cafuego | Patad: i *TOLD* you you had a bunch of corrupted files. |
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| 00:35.01 | cafuego | Patad: Maybe, if you can figure out what they are. |
| 00:35.05 | Eclipser | Patad, how many files are there? |
| 00:35.14 | xophEr | What do I need to do so that I can get streaming media working in firefox? |
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| 00:35.29 | Patad | Eclipser, 222 files, 16 folders |
| 00:35.33 | Eclipser | ouch |
| 00:35.33 | maher | Patad: they might only be partial chunks of files too - do you have a backup? |
| 00:35.41 | Patad | maher, nope |
| 00:35.49 | cafuego | Patad: Any data you need to keep? |
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| 00:36.01 | Patad | cafuego, yeh home, /, var maybe |
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| 00:36.20 | Eclipser | what's in / and /var that's important?-p |
| 00:36.20 | cafuego | Patad: Can you back that stuff up now and do a fresh install? |
| 00:36.30 | cafuego | Patad: Note "can" not "want to" |
| 00:36.32 | Patad | cafuego, but i only have woody disks! |
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| 00:36.47 | Eclipser | Patad, you can always upgrade it |
| 00:36.51 | Patad | cafuego, how big is sarge to download for a fresh install |
| 00:36.51 | Eclipser | or use netinstall |
| 00:36.52 | cafuego | Patad: Then re-install woody and update to sarge right after the innitial install. |
| 00:37.09 | Eclipser | netinstall is about 50~200MB? |
| 00:37.10 | dvs | Patad: Do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 00:37.10 | Eclipser | + stuff you want to install |
| 00:37.22 | cafuego | Patad: Depends on what you install. Maybe 100Mb for a base system, up to 500m for a full X+GNome+develop install. |
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| 00:37.32 | Patad | dvs no |
| 00:37.44 | Patad | cafuego, ive had alook at the lost and found |
| 00:37.51 | Patad | cafuego, mainly sawfish crap |
| 00:37.55 | Pupeno | What's better, RSA or DSA (including patent problems) ? |
| 00:37.56 | cafuego | Patad: I appreciate it willt ake forever, but you do NOT want to have to work on a system with 200 mising random files. |
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| 00:38.08 | Patad | cafuego, specially when its a server |
| 00:38.12 | Scrape | Is there a decent protocol for making services available from computers with dynamically assigned IP's on a local network? |
| 00:38.30 | maher | Patad: you can ignore our advice, use debsums to look for broken packages to --reinstall and carry on regardless |
| 00:38.47 | Eclipser | Scrape, dns?-p |
| 00:38.52 | Pupeno | Scrape: why don't you try some kind of dynamic updated DNS ? or some of those zeroconf things. |
| 00:39.04 | cafuego | grr |
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| 00:39.07 | Scrape | ah-ha... |
| 00:39.15 | Patad | hmmmm |
| 00:39.24 | Patad | maybe i can finish the sarge install??? |
| 00:39.32 | Patad | might replace some missing files? |
| 00:39.35 | Scrape | I'm sloooooowwwwww sometimes... And here I was going to blithely run along and install Samba simply for nmbd |
| 00:39.44 | Eclipser | Patad, get a netinsta image, burn it on rw and reinstall your stuff, best option available |
| 00:40.14 | cafuego | Scrape: You *could* just give the machines that offer services a static IP. A decent dhcpd won't re-issue those IPs to other boxes. |
| 00:40.23 | Patad | Eclipser, can i finish sarge and check for errors after it, if there are ill reformat |
| 00:40.51 | Eclipser | quite likely a waste of time though |
| 00:41.03 | Patad | ive nearly finished |
| 00:41.08 | Patad | ive already downloaded 400meg |
| 00:41.20 | Scrape | cafuego: The main issue is that I want my laptop to get its address via dhcp, yet I want backuppc to still be able to find it from my backup server |
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| 00:41.51 | maher | Scrape: you probably want a local backup client running on the laptop |
| 00:42.28 | Patad | Eclipser, its sawfish thats giving me errors, i did apt-get dist-update and its downloading 25meg more |
| 00:42.42 | xophEr | What do I need to do so that I can get streaming media working in firefox? |
| 00:42.42 | Scrape | maher: why? |
| 00:42.43 | Eclipser | Patad, ok... try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sawfishsomething |
| 00:42.58 | Scrape | Anyone have problems w/ hostname lookups -occasionally- being verrrry slow in sarge? |
| 00:43.00 | Patad | Eclipser, but its doing stuff!! |
| 00:43.07 | Eclipser | Patad, after :) |
| 00:43.13 | maher | Scrape: if the backup box has a fixed address, then the local machine always knows where both are |
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| 00:43.20 | Patad | Eclipser, hehe |
| 00:43.23 | Eclipser | Patad, how slow connection you got? |
| 00:43.36 | Patad | Eclipser, at start of month 30k/sec, now only like 7k/sec |
| 00:43.44 | m0p | hmm, what app should I use for cd writing? |
| 00:43.50 | Eclipser | ADSL? |
| 00:43.52 | Scrape | maher: true... however, I already like (and am entrenched w/) backuppc |
| 00:43.54 | dvs | m0p: cdrecord? |
| 00:43.55 | cafuego | Patad: So if it just downloads stuff overnight, that's not an issue. |
| 00:44.04 | Patad | cafuego, it will |
| 00:44.09 | Patad | Eclipser, Cable |
| 00:44.21 | Patad | Eclipser, it aint liking sawfish |
| 00:44.32 | Patad | nice work cafuego |
| 00:44.42 | cafuego | Patad: Not really |
| 00:44.49 | Eclipser | m0p, for x frontend, k3b is nice |
| 00:44.58 | Patad | omg now mysql is getting repacked! |
| 00:45.05 | Patad | finally |
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| 00:46.02 | Eclipser | m0p, basically all cd writing software are frontends for cdrecord, except cdrecord of course :) |
| 00:46.22 | cafuego | you mentioned a server before, why are you running X on a server? |
| 00:46.30 | Scrape | Eclipser: well, maybe not growisofs... but then, that's for DVD's mostly :-) |
| 00:46.33 | Patad | cafuego, i dont use it |
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| 00:47.09 | Eclipser | cdrecord didn't like my DVD+R's :< |
| 00:47.51 | phogg | Eclipser: I thought you needed dvdrecord for that? |
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| 00:48.16 | popup_killer2005 | help me |
| 00:48.21 | dvs | no |
| 00:48.23 | Patad | lol |
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| 00:48.36 | popup_killer2005 | somebody channel in spanish debian |
| 00:48.48 | Patad | wtf? |
| 00:49.01 | popup_killer2005 | channel debian in spanish |
| 00:49.09 | travisat | !es |
| 00:49.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:49.10 | Patad | wtf? |
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| 00:49.18 | Scrape | Aaargh... why are various name requests (eg www.google.com) resolving to my own public IP address? (I know why... DNS lookup is timing out or failing... but WHY?????) |
| 00:49.29 | Patad | Eclipser, eek... |
| 00:49.34 | popup_killer2005 | thank you my friend dpkg |
| 00:49.34 | Patad | Eclipser, im stuck |
| 00:49.34 | dpkg | my pleasure, popup_killer2005 |
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| 00:50.05 | _manuel | hi, I have ACPI installed, how can I suspend my workstation? |
| 00:50.17 | Eclipser | Patad, more info would be great :) |
| 00:50.43 | dvs | _manuel: I'm guessing acpid in sarge |
| 00:51.01 | Patad | Eclipser, lol sorry.... hmmm Sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:51.12 | Patad | thats when i do apt-get install -f |
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| 00:51.22 | Eclipser | it should say something else? |
| 00:51.23 | Patad | i mean apt-get -f install |
| 00:51.27 | Patad | it does |
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| 00:51.48 | Patad | errors were encountered while processing sawfish, gnome core and sawfish gnome |
| 00:51.51 | cafuego | Patad: Yes. Your problem is in /lost+found |
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| 00:52.47 | Eclipser | most likely |
| 00:53.00 | Patad | can i put em back into the system? |
| 00:53.04 | Eclipser | remove the packages and redownload them :) |
| 00:53.34 | Patad | where r the packages? |
| 00:53.39 | Patad | when i want to remove em |
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| 00:53.54 | Eclipser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.01 | Eclipser | or was it archive |
| 00:54.21 | travisat | apt-get clean? |
| 00:54.24 | dserban | Can I use debmirror to replace apt-proxy's functionality? |
| 00:54.29 | dserban | or would that be unwise? |
| 00:55.04 | dserban | I'd want to mirror two different hosts, though I can't seem to get google to show me how :) |
| 00:56.13 | Eclipser | travisat, that would remove some files we don't want removed :) |
| 00:56.16 | Patad | Eclipser, it keeps saying that those 3 rnt fully installed and give me an error |
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| 00:56.37 | Eclipser | try dpkg'ing one package and check the error message |
| 00:56.38 | dserban | nevermind |
| 00:56.56 | Eclipser | (dpkg -i packagefile) |
| 00:56.57 | Patad | i dont know which package it is though |
| 00:57.17 | Eclipser | apt-cache show packagename should give you the filename |
| 00:57.20 | cliechti | maybe use --get-selections to save all packages, backup /etc, /home and /var, format and reinstall, copy back the settings and user files and run --get-selections? |
| 00:57.54 | michal_ | hmm.. there's virtually no information on multiport ethernet pci cards under linux :/ |
| 00:57.54 | Patad | nah this is hopeless |
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| 00:58.50 | Eclipser | I've managed to trash my system complitely only twice :) |
| 00:58.57 | Patad | lol |
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| 00:59.05 | Patad | wheres the place to download Sarge? |
| 00:59.12 | Patad | like CD format |
| 00:59.20 | cafuego | !tell Patad -about d-i |
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| 00:59.46 | Pred1 | Mar 12 01:47:26 localhost postfix/smtpd[17653]: connect from unknown[192.168.0.3] |
| 00:59.46 | Pred1 | Mar 12 01:47:26 localhost postfix/smtpd[17653]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory |
| 00:59.47 | Patad | will it be more then 1 disk, my woody cds r 7 |
| 00:59.58 | cafuego | Patad: Just get the 100Mb netinst |
| 01:00.14 | Patad | so it boots of the disk? |
| 01:00.19 | cafuego | Patad: yep |
| 01:00.24 | Pred1 | how can i solve this? |
| 01:00.26 | Patad | and downloads stuff? |
| 01:00.29 | Eclipser | yep |
| 01:00.34 | Eclipser | installs base system |
| 01:00.38 | Eclipser | and then you install stuff you want |
| 01:00.38 | cafuego | Pred1: add users to the db with 'saslpasswd' |
| 01:00.44 | Eclipser | with apt-get |
| 01:00.54 | cafuego | Pred1: Or confiure sasl properly, if you want to auth against pam or something. |
| 01:01.16 | Pred1 | cafuego: i wana auth only with mysql |
| 01:01.22 | Patad | Eclipser, does it come with kde or java? |
| 01:01.42 | cafuego | Pred1: Then you'll need to tell saslauthd about mysql (I suggest you use pam-mysql) |
| 01:01.42 | Eclipser | Patad, you can get kde with apt-get, for java /msg dpkg java |
| 01:01.55 | Patad | ok so ill leave it downloading |
| 01:02.12 | Patad | it would be better to use this sarge download then the woody cds? |
| 01:02.52 | Eclipser | imo, yes... or you'll end up with some crap and then you need to do dist-upgrade :) |
| 01:02.58 | Eclipser | hmm hmm |
| 01:03.04 | Patad | indeed :) |
| 01:03.08 | Eclipser | I'm going to reinstall my debian as soon as I get home |
| 01:03.14 | Patad | u r? |
| 01:03.19 | Eclipser | !u |
| 01:03.19 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:03.21 | Eclipser | !t |
| 01:03.21 | dpkg | i heard t is usually time or a suffix indicating "type", or true |
| 01:03.22 | Eclipser | !r |
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| 01:03.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 01:03.26 | cafuego | Pred1: There are MANY tutorials online on howe to set that up. |
| 01:03.34 | Patad | NOT THIS AGAIN! |
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| 01:03.52 | Patad | sorry |
| 01:03.58 | Eclipser | it's ok :) |
| 01:04.00 | Patad | hmm so would i delete the whole partition? |
| 01:04.00 | Eclipser | anyway |
| 01:04.23 | Eclipser | if you don't have anything you really need on it |
| 01:04.29 | Patad | i do |
| 01:04.34 | Eclipser | ok |
| 01:04.39 | Eclipser | then backup that stuff first |
| 01:04.40 | Patad | www, home, etc... for like php and crap |
| 01:04.55 | Patad | so how does this work.. when u paste back all your old crap |
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| 01:04.59 | Patad | you*** |
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| 01:05.37 | Eclipser | just copy them somewhere you can find them and then after install, copy them back |
| 01:05.54 | Eclipser | do you have your /home on different partition? |
| 01:05.59 | Patad | it wont have any compatibility issues, yes i do |
| 01:06.22 | Eclipser | no, it shouldn't have... |
| 01:06.50 | Eclipser | you don't need to backup php as a program, just the files you've made which depend on it |
| 01:06.55 | Eclipser | anyway |
| 01:06.57 | Patad | wait a tic |
| 01:07.02 | xophEr | What do I need to do so that I can get streaming media working in firefox? |
| 01:07.22 | Eclipser | having /home on a different partition is good, you can copy your stuff there and save it when reinstalling :) |
| 01:07.28 | Eclipser | just don't removei t accidently |
| 01:07.28 | Patad | in root, it has folders home cdrom var, etc.... so that means that home isnt its own parition? |
| 01:07.44 | Eclipser | directories, not folders :) |
| 01:07.47 | Eclipser | umm |
| 01:07.58 | Eclipser | type df |
| 01:08.04 | travisat | Patad: or check fstab |
| 01:08.59 | Patad | so Eclipser your saying i can delete root and put sarge on there without effecting home n crap |
| 01:09.14 | travisat | Patad: if home is its own partition |
| 01:09.27 | Eclipser | but don't do rm -rf / :) |
| 01:09.56 | kreg | so what would be the advantage of having a CRT monitor with a DVI input? |
| 01:10.06 | travisat | kreg: none afaik |
| 01:10.26 | Laney | is there a package for sun's java vm? |
| 01:10.42 | travisat | Laney: /msg dpkg java |
| 01:10.47 | Eclipser | kreg, cheaper monitor to use on display adapter which only has one output :) |
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| 01:10.50 | Laney | !tell me about java |
| 01:10.57 | Pred1 | cafuego: authmodulelist="authmysql" in authdaemonrc, why trys sasl open sasldb2? |
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| 01:11.23 | cafuego | Pred1: No, not authmysql. use saslauthd-pam |
| 01:11.31 | Laney | oh dear, this looks arduous |
| 01:11.42 | travisat | Laney: its not that bad |
| 01:11.43 | cafuego | Pred1: Google is your friend. |
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| 01:11.56 | cafuego | Hmm, vpn over gprs over bluetooth |
| 01:12.02 | Eclipser | cafuego, :DD |
| 01:12.07 | cafuego | I love it when technology just works. |
| 01:12.08 | Eclipser | that's sick |
| 01:12.53 | Laney | i tried "free-java-sdk" but it crashed out |
| 01:12.56 | Pred1 | cafuego: it worked this form, after i install postfix from package, but i must recompile it cause of VDA quota patch |
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| 01:13.02 | Patad | Eclipser, it wil take 5hours for sarge to download, ill be back then |
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| 01:13.18 | x0563511 | doh. |
| 01:13.26 | x0563511 | can anyone help me with nohup? |
| 01:13.38 | simonrvn | man nohup |
| 01:13.58 | x0563511 | er, it involves me not understanding something the man page says |
| 01:14.09 | x0563511 | `nohup' does not automatically put the command it runs in the background; you must do that explicitly, by ending the command line with an `&'. |
| 01:14.20 | cafuego | Pred1: I'm just telling you how mine is setup (and mine works fine) - if you want to argue, please do it with someone else. |
| 01:14.21 | x0563511 | when i stick a & at the end, it does nothing different |
| 01:14.39 | cafuego | x0563511: nohup command & |
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| 01:14.56 | cafuego | x0563511: That will launch nohup in the background, so you can logout. |
| 01:14.59 | x0563511 | it still caught a "sigterm" when i dosconnected |
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| 01:15.07 | rixth | Is there any way to get true transparency without install Zorg? |
| 01:15.09 | rixth | Xorg* |
| 01:15.15 | cafuego | x0563511: Then I suggest you run 'screen' instead. |
| 01:15.18 | simonrvn | x0563511: man bash, look for job control, see cafuego's statement |
| 01:15.23 | cafuego | rixth: Do you use 3D accel in X? |
| 01:15.27 | x0563511 | thanks |
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| 01:16.04 | rixth | cafuego, i have the Nvidia driver install if thats what you mean. Otherwise X is stock |
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| 01:16.05 | difeta | where can i get debian packages of the latest dbus? 0.23 is just way out of date |
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| 01:16.21 | necrite | hi |
| 01:16.32 | cafuego | rixth: transparency crashes X a lot, and you can't have GLX enabled when transparency is. The easiest fix is to not want transparency. |
| 01:16.41 | necrite | i upgrade from woody to sarge. |
| 01:16.54 | rixth | waht about pseudo transparency? is that easier? |
| 01:17.16 | travisat | pseudo transparency? |
| 01:17.24 | cafuego | rixth: What is the obsession with making text unreadable? ;-) |
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| 01:17.49 | rixth | Like the transparency in Windows, it just draws the desktop lightly over the window |
| 01:18.04 | llama32 | hi ppl... i was rather surprised/happy when i found that my sound works in demudi, but with further experimentation i found it only worked with the "play" command with a normal login, or xmms and most likely other things but only as root |
| 01:18.06 | rixth | Haha, looking for something to impress my Windows geeks :) |
| 01:18.06 | chealer | cafuego: haha, that's the fixing spirit :) |
| 01:18.08 | cafuego | yes, it's not in any way useful. |
| 01:18.13 | phogg | tix64: under, or through. Not over. |
| 01:18.15 | darkhack | Hello all, is postfix behaviour in a dial-up machine is make make ppp up while it has mails to delivered while at the mean time the ppp is down ? |
| 01:18.18 | necrite | when i try to install the kernel 2.6 .. apt remove modutiles .. any idea if i need to run somethin to guet the system up without errors (is a remote dedicated server) |
| 01:18.20 | llama32 | any ideas how to make it work for other users? |
| 01:18.38 | cafuego | rixth: I suggest you just wait a little while, until Etch is released, so Xorg is in debian (and has hopefully been debugged). |
| 01:18.42 | travisat | llama32: add them to group audio |
| 01:18.53 | llama32 | ok thanks :) |
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| 01:19.11 | rixth | It Etch to be the next Testing? |
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| 01:19.14 | tarheelcoxn | darkhack: come again? |
| 01:19.15 | Eclipser | my irssi eterm is transparent! |
| 01:19.19 | necrite | hi sTone_heAd |
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| 01:19.26 | rixth | Oh yes, I just asked dkpg |
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| 01:19.32 | phogg | Isn't "When Etch is released" a code for "When pigs fly"? |
| 01:19.48 | darkhack | tarhellcoxn: :D |
| 01:20.06 | rixth | cafuego: isn't it about time they released Sarge?! |
| 01:20.07 | cafuego | phogg: ssshhh! |
| 01:20.23 | Eclipser | difeta, it seems that 0.23 is the latest official debian package... either compile your own or look from apt-get.org maybe? |
| 01:20.25 | phogg | rixth: not until Duke Nukem Forever comes out. |
| 01:20.33 | Eclipser | never? |
| 01:21.01 | cafuego | My MacOS X terms are transparent... |
| 01:21.05 | rixth | "You know Smither, I think I'll donate a million dollars to charity".... "ahahahah" *pig flys past window* "Will you be donating that million dollars now sir?" "I'd still prefer not" |
| 01:21.14 | toukitsune | when is 2.6 going to be offered on stable? |
| 01:21.16 | cafuego | Speaking of USEFUL features, anything like expose in the works for X? |
| 01:21.17 | Eclipser | difeta, apt-get.org doesn't seem to have dbus either so you need to compile your own |
| 01:21.28 | cafuego | toukitsune: When sarge becomes stable. |
| 01:21.32 | paolo | Hi guys! I changed the monitor to my testing box: from 15" to 17". How do I reconfigure the xserver in order to accept a bigger reolution? thank you! |
| 01:21.42 | toukitsune | when will sarge become stable? |
| 01:21.50 | cafuego | !tell paolo -about xcfg |
| 01:21.51 | Eclipser | when it's ready |
| 01:21.57 | cafuego | toukitsune: Sooner if you help. |
| 01:21.59 | phogg | cafuego: I recall some prototypes, and some development code by one of the X guys shortly after xorg split. |
| 01:22.20 | toukitsune | how can I help. If there is any way I can help I will |
| 01:22.31 | toukitsune | I am useing debian Sarge right now |
| 01:22.32 | Eclipser | find bugs, fix them? |
| 01:22.33 | darkhack | paolo: change /etc/X11/XFree86-4 at section screen |
| 01:22.46 | phogg | cafuego: development code of the "I had this working once pon my box" not "Here's an alpha" type. |
| 01:23.07 | cafuego | phogg: Hmm. Hack the fvwm pager, eh? |
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| 01:23.16 | shingouz | darkhack, paolo it is better to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 than hack the config file |
| 01:23.40 | Eclipser | either my friends screen really did meet its final seconds or xfree broke it even though I put in correct syncvalues etc |
| 01:23.49 | Eclipser | s/screen/monitor/ |
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| 01:24.09 | cafuego | Eclipser: People shouldn't assume they know the sync values better then read-edid. |
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| 01:24.20 | Eclipser | cafuego, I had manual >.< |
| 01:24.25 | cafuego | Eclipser: People shouldn't assume they know the sync values better then read-edid. |
| 01:24.31 | paolo | shingouz: I made dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but it doesn't change my XF86Config-4. I tried to move the XF86Config-4 away, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't generate the XF86Config-4: why? |
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| 01:24.50 | cafuego | paolo: Check the comments in the top sections of XF86Config-4. |
| 01:24.51 | Eclipser | ah well |
| 01:24.58 | rixth | Whats a good program for eye candy that makes people go "wow, wahts that"? (apart from gDesklets :)) |
| 01:24.59 | darkhack | yes of course. if you want to hack the config file don't forget to backup the existing one. |
| 01:25.00 | Eclipser | it was like 5~6 years old anyway |
| 01:25.03 | Laney | can i find out what package installed a particular binary? |
| 01:25.09 | shingouz | !tell paolo about x md5sum |
| 01:25.22 | cafuego | Laney: dpkg -S file |
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| 01:25.30 | bytecolor | why would physically *removing* my pcmcia nic cause my sound to become scratchy (inaudable) ? |
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| 01:25.48 | cafuego | bytecolor: Cheap laptop? |
| 01:25.51 | darkhack | paolo: it's stored on Xfree86 file, the file without -4 at the end |
| 01:26.02 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: not a StinkPad, is it? |
| 01:26.07 | bytecolor | cafuego, Thinkpad |
| 01:26.12 | tarheelcoxn | lol |
| 01:26.23 | shingouz | bytecolor you should cardctl eject the card first in case the TP is somehow a bit odd |
| 01:26.32 | cafuego | darkhack: Stop giving him bad advice, please. |
| 01:26.33 | necrite | when i try to install the kernel 2.6 .. apt remove modutiles .. any idea if i need to run somethin to guet the system up without errors (is a remote dedicated server) |
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| 01:27.06 | darkhack | so you got to execute xfree86cfg -xfree86config pathtofile |
| 01:27.07 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, this is a 390X (1999) |
| 01:27.13 | cafuego | darkhack: Stop giving him bad advice, please. |
| 01:27.20 | chealer | I'm trying to understand why aspell doesn't enter sarge ( http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=aspell ). what means "Updating aspell makes 4 non-depending packages uninstallable on alpha:", or how can updating a package make a non-depending package uninstallable? |
| 01:27.24 | rixth | Could someone please explain the difference between Gnome, Metacity & GTK (aswell as from a skinning perspective)? |
| 01:27.32 | darkhack | ok |
| 01:27.43 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: you sure it isn't just that the jack has degraded? |
| 01:27.56 | cafuego | paolo: Regenrate the md5sum file, then run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again. it WILL save the changes after you update the md5sum. |
| 01:27.59 | tarheelcoxn | or are you talking about the sound from the speakers? |
| 01:28.08 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, well you know I've never tried the second jack |
| 01:28.16 | Babbage | rixth> Metacity is a windoe manager. It provides the UI for manipulating top-level windows. |
| 01:28.19 | bytecolor | could be |
| 01:28.28 | shingouz | bytecolor check on the IBM website support section under the exact model-type you have. at least the TP600 has a neat howto install deadrat there. that specific howto details what should be done to the sound modules so that they will not get screwed up when rebooting or goofing with the pcmcia |
| 01:28.56 | Babbage | rixth> Gnome is a desktop environment. It includes apps, etc. GTK is a widget toolkit which allows dialogs, menus, etc. to be drawn. |
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| 01:29.01 | paolo | cafuego: attempting to generate md5sum gives me: "-bash: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: Access denied"! |
| 01:29.02 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: the second jack is likely a line-in/microphone jack |
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| 01:29.04 | shingouz | bytecolor basically the whitepaper states that the sound should be the last one to be initialized for some reason. the howto is a few years old however |
| 01:29.16 | rixth | Babbage, anythig to gain from moving to, say, FluxBox? (it's faster and less resource hungry, right?) |
| 01:29.25 | Babbage | Than what? |
| 01:29.31 | rixth | Metacity |
| 01:29.31 | bytecolor | shingouz, ok |
| 01:29.51 | bytecolor | everything works great, as long as I leave the nic in |
| 01:30.10 | bytecolor | and the nic is the last module loaded, btw |
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| 01:31.00 | Nial | hey guys.. I'm a noob in debian.. I've installed webmin, but when I try to access it by https://ip:10000, I get "access denied for myip".. can anyone help me please? |
| 01:31.04 | Babbage | Maybe. Try it, you can always switch back |
| 01:31.08 | Eclipser | cafuego, read-edid doesn't like _my_ video card + monitor combination |
| 01:31.09 | Eclipser | but anyway |
| 01:31.11 | Eclipser | I'm going to sleep now |
| 01:31.21 | shingouz | bytecolor the Stinkpads have two jacks on them. one for the earphones and the other one for an external microphone. the ext mike has to either have internal power or you have to surf over to Andrea Electronics and get yourself a powerbox for it. this is because the jack is not quite standard |
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| 01:32.23 | bytecolor | shingouz, I was referring to the second pcmcia jack (slot) |
| 01:32.33 | shingouz | bytecolor ahh |
| 01:32.35 | shingouz | slot |
| 01:32.40 | tvn | anyone knows what type of image consists of just 0 and 1 ? |
| 01:32.58 | Babbage | tvn> PBM. |
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| 01:33.16 | bytecolor | I ment I havent tried it, I thought thats what tarheelcoxn was referring to when he/she mentioned a bad jack |
| 01:33.38 | tvn | Babbage: thanks, |
| 01:33.46 | Nial | anyone? :/ |
| 01:33.48 | Scrape | How would I go about setting up my own DNS servers for *lookups*? RoadRunner's DNS servers appear to suck. |
| 01:34.03 | Babbage | Scrape> You mean just for caching purposes? |
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| 01:34.46 | willigi | hi you all, ive a problem with my marvel yukon 1Gbps NIC, if i do ifconfig -a i get the following for this NIC: eth1 Protocol:UNSPEC Hardware Address: 00-E0-18-00-00-8B-1C-12-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00. do anybody have the same problem or have a resolution for it? |
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| 01:34.56 | Babbage | Nial> Sorry, never used webmin. |
| 01:35.10 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi, what would be considered debian 3.0 and 3.1 |
| 01:35.29 | chealer | !tell Tweak`TG-Owner about releases |
| 01:35.33 | Tweak`TG-Owner | thanks |
| 01:35.38 | Scrape | Babbage: Well, the problem is that DNS lookups on RoadRunner's servers seem to fail often enough that I'd be caching my own IP address an awful lot. |
| 01:35.38 | Nial | Babbage ok :/ |
| 01:36.08 | willigi | Tweak`TG-Owner: did you mean me? |
| 01:36.14 | bytecolor | actually I have no sound now, the afore mentioned nic's rj jack fscked up, so I got another... same brand, Linksys, different model |
| 01:36.20 | Babbage | Scrape> I'm not sure if that was an answer to my question. Was it intended to be? |
| 01:36.32 | shingouz | Nial what you trying to configure with webmin? maybe we would be able to answer that one |
| 01:36.37 | Scrape | Babbage: put another way, I want DNS servers that are in no way dependent on my ISP's name servers |
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| 01:36.51 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: you replaced what now? |
| 01:37.01 | Scrape | Babbage: so if you meant caching my ISP's servers, no, that's not what I want :-) |
| 01:37.02 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, the pcmcia nic |
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| 01:37.19 | Babbage | Scrape, do you have your own DNS content you want to serve? |
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| 01:37.49 | bytecolor | I thought I'd ask about the former problem. thought it might have some bearing as to why I have NO sound now |
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| 01:38.30 | Scrape | Scrape: kind of... they'd all resolve to my public IP address. I guess I need to be caching, or at least forwarding to, something, I just don't want it to be my ISP's servers |
| 01:38.41 | shingouz | bytecolor are the sound modules still loaded? if they are, modprobe -r them out and modprobe them back again just for the hell of it |
| 01:38.43 | TGM | I could have sworn the other day i found a page somewhere on debian.org that could be used to obtain previous versions of packages, even with the option of downloading the packages as they were on a specific date... but i cannot seem to find this. Does it exist or was I just dreaming? |
| 01:38.47 | djtansey | have an installtion dilemma. Have a laptop with XP but without any installation medium (wireless pcmcia without an OSS driver, no CD, no floppy). i want to install debian from a partition that i've extracted an ISO to. is that possible? |
| 01:39.14 | Nial | Babbage done.. allow=0.0.0.0 into config and then restart ;) |
| 01:39.22 | bytecolor | shingouz, they dont load @ boot since I switched nics, but they do succefully manually load, but sound is scratchy |
| 01:39.32 | polok | how do I bind stderr to stdout ? |
| 01:39.43 | shingouz | bytecolor you referring to the sound modules now? |
| 01:39.50 | bytecolor | shingouz, yes |
| 01:39.57 | shingouz | oss or alsa? |
| 01:40.28 | Scrape | Babbage: kind of... they'd all resolve to my public IP address. I guess I need to be caching, or at least forwarding to, something, I just don't want it to be my ISP's servers |
| 01:40.37 | bytecolor | shingouz, alsa always fails @ boot so I'm guessing oss |
| 01:40.57 | bytecolor | what would oss leave in syslog? |
| 01:41.03 | shingouz | bytecolor cs4232? |
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| 01:41.10 | bytecolor | esssolo1 |
| 01:41.36 | shingouz | bytecolor alsamodules all look like snd-something while the oss modules do not have the "snd" part there |
| 01:41.45 | Babbage | Scrape, the easiest thing to do is "apt-get install nscd". |
| 01:41.50 | bytecolor | hrm |
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| 01:42.10 | Babbage | Scrape, alternatively, go for a relatively vanilla install of bind9. |
| 01:42.22 | shingouz | bytecolor also if you have both alsa and oss configured at the same time they might somehow screw eachother up |
| 01:42.29 | bytecolor | nod |
| 01:42.48 | bytecolor | I need to get rid of alsa, it's never loaded succefully |
| 01:43.07 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: I have both oss and alsa |
| 01:43.11 | shingouz | bytecolor you are in for some interesting times, trust me on that ;) |
| 01:43.22 | tarheelcoxn | ogg123 uses oss |
| 01:43.22 | bytecolor | I dont even know why I installed it, maybe because of aumix? |
| 01:43.31 | tarheelcoxn | mplayer uses alsa |
| 01:43.36 | bytecolor | ah |
| 01:43.46 | shingouz | bytecolor lspnp gives out some nice information about what the esssolo1 uses for irq's and whatnot |
| 01:43.47 | bytecolor | mplayer was working |
| 01:44.05 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn mlpayer can use pretty much anything, it is not limited to alsa |
| 01:44.21 | bytecolor | lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available |
| 01:44.33 | shingouz | augh :( |
| 01:44.35 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: oh? then alsa is the default? |
| 01:44.49 | Scrape | Babbage: What happens then when nscd caches a lookup that times out and defaults to my own network (which happens about every five minutes)? Now I'm stuck with that bad address for even longer! |
| 01:44.50 | bytecolor | the other nic used IRQ 11, this one uses 3 (which prolly doesnt matter) |
| 01:44.58 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn yes. man mplayer but take your time with it, the manual is HUGE |
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| 01:45.33 | TGM_ | I ask again: I could have sworn the other day i found a page somewhere on debian.org that could be used to obtain previous versions of packages, even with the option of downloading the packages as they were on a specific date... but i cannot seem to find this. Does it exist or was I just dreaming? |
| 01:45.34 | dafresh | hi all, is there a raison that amavisd-new are very late against the lastest release ? |
| 01:45.37 | Babbage | Scrape> Are you saying that the results your ISP returns are actually *wrong*? Or that their nameservers are just unreliable? |
| 01:45.41 | shingouz | bytecolor how is the hardware there, PS".exe or tpctl? you have everything on or did you shut off at least the mwave modem? |
| 01:46.13 | shingouz | tgm_ it does exist, i just do not remember what the URL for it is :( |
| 01:46.13 | dafresh | is it an correct english phrase ?! ... sry |
| 01:46.14 | Scrape | Babbage: They are unreliable. The problem is, they are unreliable *very frequently*, and when that happens, my router resolves to its own public IP |
| 01:46.17 | bytecolor | shingouz, I'm not sure what you are asking |
| 01:46.59 | Babbage | Scrape> Isn't that best solved with a hosts file entry? |
| 01:47.22 | shingouz | bytecolor thinkpads can shut down the serial ports, modem, IRdA etc. to do it you either have to boot to dos and use PS2.EXE from IBM or build a kernel with the thinkpad modules and use tpctl |
| 01:47.56 | bytecolor | I've done neither |
| 01:47.59 | TGM_ | shingouz: i've been spending the longest time trying to find it again. i will bookmark it when i do... i suggest that sombody place a ew more links to it in the web site too. |
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| 01:48.00 | shingouz | bytecolor if too much is running at any given time you may be short of irqs |
| 01:48.09 | Scrape | Babbage: Here's an example: I type in "www.google.com"... a minute later, I get my own router web interface. Five minutes later, I try again, and actually get google. Then, maybe I try linux.org... same thing happens again |
| 01:48.45 | jotham | is there a php5/apache2.0 debian package? |
| 01:48.52 | shingouz | bytecolor off to IBM then, get the utilities and make a bootable dos floppy. the PS2.EXE plus tools fit onto one if you remove all stupid stuff like edit.com and fdisk and such |
| 01:48.56 | shingouz | :) |
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| 01:49.19 | Babbage | Sounds like your router's DNS proxy is broken. If the nameserver is unreachable it should return SERVFAIL. Install bind9 and uase that as a cache. |
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| 01:50.28 | shingouz | !tell bytecolor about laptop |
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| 01:51.13 | shingouz | bytecolor usually linux-laptop.net has some pretty good howtos on installing and running linux on laptops. thinkpads are very well represented there |
| 01:51.50 | doublehp | hello ... actually, I can apt-get update all my mirors, but I can not fetch thunderbird on de.debian.org ... is it half down ? it stalls on "0% [Waiting for headers] " .... |
| 01:51.53 | bytecolor | shingouz, it's been a good lappy, not really had any problems until I replaced the nic |
| 01:52.34 | shingouz | bytecolor the nic driver could be a bit flaky or maybe the nic itself has seen better days |
| 01:52.36 | Scrape | Babbage: my router is a belkin |
| 01:52.37 | bytecolor | I wonder if I did a clean install, would Debian correctly configure everything, out of curiosity |
| 01:52.49 | tarheelcoxn | Babbage: linksys me no likey |
| 01:52.54 | shingouz | bytecolor on a thinkpad? i doubt it |
| 01:52.59 | tarheelcoxn | I don't like ndis-wrapper |
| 01:53.03 | bytecolor | shingouz, it did the first time :) |
| 01:53.10 | Babbage | Scrape> I have a Belkin router at my other place. I wouldn't buy one again. The DHCP server goes weird after a couple of days. |
| 01:53.11 | shingouz | bytecolor wow! |
| 01:53.15 | bytecolor | heh |
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| 01:53.27 | shingouz | maybe i have to try an automagical install too some day |
| 01:53.35 | bytecolor | shingous, but like I said, it's an older thinkpad (1999) |
| 01:53.40 | travisat | snarf! |
| 01:53.47 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn dump the ipw2200 ;) |
| 01:53.52 | willigi | 2/bye |
| 01:53.56 | Scrape | Babbage: I haven't had problems w/ the DHCP yet... |
| 01:54.02 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: dump the who-wha? |
| 01:54.40 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: also, if you find that link, where will you post it? |
| 01:54.44 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn you have some weird-ass nic there that needs the ndiswrapper. get something that can be used with real drivers instead of the hacked doze ones |
| 01:55.04 | Babbage | Scrape> Mine also fails to demand-dial if you don't send it any packets for four days or so. I've fixed that by putting it on a timer switch that reboots it once a day. |
| 01:55.05 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn about older packages? |
| 01:55.18 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: right right. that's what I discovered. I already dumped it |
| 01:55.58 | Babbage | shingouz> Agree. I have a PC card nic on my laptop that requires ndiswrapper. It's crap. Mind you, the same card is quite crap in Windows too. |
| 01:56.14 | shingouz | !tell tarheelcoxn about old packages |
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| 01:56.24 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn that the one you were looking for? |
| 01:56.42 | bytecolor | how could I make my nic use a different irq? does it depend on the module and what options it will take? |
| 01:56.42 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:56.56 | shingouz | Babbage i have not been so unfortunate as to try out ndiswrapper yet and i hope that dey never comes |
| 01:57.00 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn np |
| 01:57.35 | shingouz | bytecolor i guess so, i have never tried that either (just like ndiswrapper ;) |
| 01:57.46 | tarheelcoxn | there should be an alt.ndiswrapper.recovery |
| 01:57.59 | shingouz | hehehe |
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| 01:58.26 | Scrape | Babbage: Interesting. Mine's a 54G wireless router connected to a cable modem. "Seems" to have worked fine for the last 6-months or so... not sure whether this current issue is a RR problem or my router's problem (I've read the RR's services can be pretty flaky) |
| 01:58.43 | tarheelcoxn | I remember spending over two weeks walking around with a 15' stretch of CAT5e |
| 01:58.47 | bjbL | I'm looking for a debian-packaged Perl::Tk::Panedwindow |
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| 01:59.57 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, I have 50' |
| 02:00.10 | shingouz | !tell bjbL about tell panedwindow |
| 02:00.13 | polok | how can I manipulate find to count the number of objects to stdout? |
| 02:00.17 | bytecolor | plugged into my lappy right now! |
| 02:00.23 | shingouz | bjbl i hope that helps a bit |
| 02:00.24 | bytecolor | reaches the toilet |
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| 02:00.26 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: isn't that longer than spec? |
| 02:00.28 | Babbage | Scrape> You should be able to test it by using "dig" to bypass your router's proxy. dig foo @server-ip-address |
| 02:00.38 | solemn-laptop | hi all |
| 02:00.43 | shingouz | bytecolor so that you can sit and chat there too? geek :) |
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| 02:00.55 | bjbL | shingouz, "target invalid". Oh well. |
| 02:01.08 | solemn-laptop | im installing debian on a 486 with the floppy install disks |
| 02:01.10 | shingouz | bjbl :( |
| 02:01.23 | bjbL | shingouz, thanks anyway. Google doesn't help either :-( |
| 02:01.31 | solemn-laptop | i need a driver floppy with the network card moduals so i can do a net-install |
| 02:01.39 | bjbL | the annoying thing is, I've been using it on the redhat system at work |
| 02:01.45 | solemn-laptop | where can i get the image for the disk? |
| 02:02.06 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, hrm, it might be a 25' but I know I had a 50' at one time becuase I kept my router in the living room and ran it to my bedroom |
| 02:02.08 | shingouz | solemn-laptop first you need to set up the pcmcia, then slap in the nic driver, then configure the network. what nic you have there? |
| 02:02.23 | solemn-laptop | some 3com card |
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| 02:02.43 | shingouz | bjbL if you do not find it anywhere and you have an PRM of it, use alien |
| 02:02.49 | solemn-laptop | the slack network.dsk disk has the driver but the debian installer wont use it |
| 02:03.05 | baver | I'd like to report a bug. I'm trying to use reportbug to do so, however it's seg faulting. Is there an alternative way? |
| 02:03.05 | shingouz | solemn-laptop the driver is already there. configure the pcmcia first, then go to the nic modules |
| 02:03.29 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: you crimp your own cable? |
| 02:03.29 | solemn-laptop | k |
| 02:03.29 | shingouz | solemn-laptop it is there, trust me |
| 02:03.29 | solemn-laptop | isa btw |
| 02:03.29 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, no |
| 02:03.29 | solemn-laptop | its not my laptop |
| 02:03.39 | bjbL | shingouz, I think it came with perl-tk (not separate from the rest of perl-tk) on the redhat system. Oh well, not the end of the world. I won't be able to test at home. Shucks :-) |
| 02:03.40 | shingouz | solemn-laptop isa? on a laptop? you sure? as in you have a dock there too |
| 02:03.49 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: I hope they gave you a good price |
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| 02:03.56 | solemn-laptop | ITS NOT MY LAPTOP |
| 02:04.03 | solemn-laptop | its an old desktop |
| 02:04.09 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, I dont recall, it's been a couple years |
| 02:04.11 | solemn-laptop | an isa lan card |
| 02:04.14 | shingouz | solemn-laptop shhh.... i thought you said laptop., sorry |
| 02:04.23 | shingouz | solemn-laptop 509? |
| 02:04.29 | Babbage | baver> "bug" |
| 02:04.31 | solemn-laptop | huh? |
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| 02:04.42 | shingouz | solemn-laptop 3c509b? |
| 02:04.46 | konrad127123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.48 | shingouz | the nic that is solemn-laptop ? |
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| 02:04.55 | solemn-laptop | i think so |
| 02:05.10 | solemn-laptop | it might be another though |
| 02:05.11 | bytecolor | tarheelcoxn, you in NC? |
| 02:05.14 | shingouz | solemn-laptop what install disks you use there? |
| 02:05.23 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: tsk tsk |
| 02:05.24 | solemn-laptop | the debian install floppies |
| 02:05.30 | solemn-laptop | got from debian site |
| 02:05.35 | shingouz | solemn-laptop yea... woody? sarge? |
| 02:05.40 | baver | Babbage: ok, I installed "bug". reportbug still segfaults, and no exec "bug". |
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| 02:05.51 | shingouz | solemn-laptop there are a bunch of the floppies you know... |
| 02:06.04 | solemn-laptop | there were 2 images to dl |
| 02:06.04 | Babbage | baver> It's in /usr/bin/bug |
| 02:06.16 | shingouz | solemn-laptop sec |
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| 02:06.33 | baver | Babbage: no /usr/bin/bug directory |
| 02:06.40 | Soundzor | clear |
| 02:06.48 | bytecolor | I was assuming... the 'tarheel' thing |
| 02:06.50 | Babbage | baver> /usr/bin/bug is a binary not a directory |
| 02:07.01 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: /me nods |
| 02:07.02 | shaggs | If i put together a multiple processor system (AMD athlon specifically), will Xwindows lock up like it does now when i open up a 100meg PDF file |
| 02:07.04 | baver | Babbage: in that case, /usr/bin/bug just doesn't exist |
| 02:07.18 | bytecolor | I'm north of charlotte |
| 02:07.42 | Soundzor | So with the dpkg not here, can anyone kind of give me an idea of what java to install for debian? I'm assuming I can't do a simple apt-get of the Sun java so what do you people recommend/use? |
| 02:07.43 | m0p | Damn, that CD problem just won't give up! I have had this on 3 machines now. Whenever I insert a CD, mount it, use it, then unmount it, my CD drive seems to go into a spasm and won't spin down. I have to eject with the manual eject switch, which scratches CD's as they spin down (NOT GOOD!). 5 different CD drives do this under Sarge. |
| 02:07.44 | solemn-laptop | 3Com Etherlink III ISA (3C509/3C509b |
| 02:07.45 | Babbage | baver> In which case "bug" is probably not correctly installed. |
| 02:08.26 | shingouz | solemn-laptop i guess you have the wrong set of floppies. get the woody vanilla floppy images, there should be five or six floppies total IIRC |
| 02:08.34 | solemn-laptop | ok |
| 02:08.39 | Babbage | Soundzor> I did apt-get install j2sdk1.4 |
| 02:08.50 | shingouz | solemn-laptop the nic you have there is supported with the vanilla (as it is with pretty much anything else too) |
| 02:08.59 | m0p | And no, don't say that it is my CD drives, since they work fine in FreeBSD 5.3, FreeBSD 4.10 and Win2k. Any ideas how to solve this? |
| 02:09.05 | baver | Babbage: ok. not wanting to be a leech, but how would I check? I did apt-get install bug. (on amd64 btw) |
| 02:09.08 | shingouz | solemn-laptop you could conceivably use the bf24 floppies too for that matter |
| 02:09.17 | Babbage | baver> dpkg -l bug |
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| 02:09.30 | Gumby | Soundzor: one sec, I have the URL here somewhere. I just did it last night |
| 02:09.35 | shaggs | so does anyone here have any experience with linux and multiple processor systems? |
| 02:09.42 | Babbage | shaggs> yes |
| 02:09.47 | shingouz | shaggs and the problem there is? |
| 02:09.52 | bytecolor | shaggs, I have a dualy |
| 02:10.17 | baver | Babbage: install, installed, no errors |
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| 02:10.21 | shaggs | i just want to know if X windows will still lock up when a program sucks up all the processing power |
| 02:10.27 | baver | Babbage: version 4.0.0 |
| 02:10.38 | m0p | :( No one seems to be wanting to help me |
| 02:10.38 | shaggs | I open up huge PDF files right now and it kills everything but the mouse cursor for a while |
| 02:10.42 | shingouz | shaggs it should not do that unless the program has a bug |
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| 02:10.55 | shingouz | shaggs how much cpu you have there? |
| 02:10.59 | Soundzor | Babbage, apt-cache search can't find that package :( |
| 02:11.00 | shaggs | 500mhz |
| 02:11.08 | shaggs | i think its more related to a ram shortage though |
| 02:11.09 | Gumby | Soundzor: http://wiki.debian.net/?SunJava use the second way of doing it. dead simple |
| 02:11.20 | shingouz | shaggs i think the software you use has a bug or the pdf is somehow borked |
| 02:11.33 | bytecolor | I dont recall ever locking up my dual 1.2Ghz, and I ran SETI for a long time |
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| 02:11.35 | shingouz | ...or get more ram... ;) |
| 02:11.38 | cafuego | woo |
| 02:11.48 | bytecolor | prolly wy my p/s exploded the other day! |
| 02:11.49 | shaggs | for some reason almost all my 256 megs of ram is used up |
| 02:11.51 | Babbage | Soundzor> It's probably from deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ sid main non-free |
| 02:12.04 | Gumby | Soundzor: unless of course you need the browser plugin |
| 02:12.06 | solemn-laptop | so i need to get the images from the woody dir on the mirror? |
| 02:12.07 | Gumby | then use the first |
| 02:12.07 | cafuego | shaggs: Would you rather it just sat there unused? may as well unplug it, then. |
| 02:12.12 | shingouz | shaggs you *do* have swap there too i hope |
| 02:12.29 | shaggs | i have plenty of swap, but relatively no ram |
| 02:12.35 | Soundzor | Gumby, don't, this box won't even have x on it, though I would like it to be able to compile java if I need to for some strange reason :-/ |
| 02:12.41 | shaggs | so... the 100 meg PDF kills the computer |
| 02:12.42 | shingouz | solemn-laptop yes. and read the install documentation too while you are at it |
| 02:12.47 | Babbage | shaggs> Try reducing your VM limit with "ulimit -v" |
| 02:13.05 | solemn-laptop | k |
| 02:13.25 | m0p | Hmm, would anyone here recommend Sid as suitable for daily apps (GIMP, Firefox, etc etc), or is it too unstable even for that? |
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| 02:13.44 | m0p | I'm feeling a bit adventrous. |
| 02:13.46 | Gumby | Soundzor: use the seond method then |
| 02:13.49 | Babbage | shaggs> Or try pdf2ps ... | psselect -rrange > ps-fragment.ps etc. |
| 02:13.52 | shingouz | incidentally, is there a trick to convert the output of lspci to something XF86config-4 understands? |
| 02:14.07 | bytecolor | shaggs, you *do* have an SMP enabled kernel, dont you? |
| 02:14.07 | shingouz | m0p NO. if you have to ask, dont |
| 02:14.14 | Gumby | Soundzor: I did it last night and then fired up azureus (java torrent client) and it worked fflawlessly |
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| 02:14.27 | m0p | k |
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| 02:14.34 | cafuego | shingouz: Just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 and LEAVE THE PCI ID BLANK like it says. |
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| 02:14.40 | shaggs | ok, i tried some other large pdfs, for some reason they work better |
| 02:14.42 | shingouz | shaggs less /proc/cpuinfo and see if you have multiple cpus visible there |
| 02:14.58 | shaggs | shingouz: i only have 1 processor |
| 02:15.23 | shingouz | cafuego doesnt work... tried it already. i have a separate 3d accel card in the box |
| 02:15.25 | Babbage | I'm off now |
| 02:15.36 | shingouz | shaggs then you do not have multiple cpus |
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| 02:16.23 | cafuego | shingouz: A joyous voodoo2? |
| 02:16.26 | bytecolor | shaggs, SMP boxen are the cats meow, I never wait on anything, the system never even hiccups, buy one today! |
| 02:16.37 | shingouz | cafuego how did you guess? you psychic? |
| 02:16.45 | cafuego | bytecolor: Save your money, buy an AMD64. |
| 02:16.49 | sussudio | dpkg's buggered off again? |
| 02:16.53 | shingouz | yea |
| 02:16.53 | cafuego | shingouz: Used to have one myself... |
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| 02:17.07 | shingouz | cafuego pain in the assterisk to configure? |
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| 02:17.07 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
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| 02:17.13 | cafuego | shingouz: I have two words for you. |
| 02:17.15 | bytecolor | cafuego, well at least both my processor *are* AMD |
| 02:17.19 | cafuego | shingouz: "cheap nvidia". |
| 02:17.39 | shingouz | cafuego pci only, i'd go agp in a heartbeat if i could :( |
| 02:17.41 | bytecolor | I think 64bits might be a bit much processing power for me |
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| 02:17.45 | Soundzor | Gumby, hey, do you happen to know if that tutorial works with the sdk too? Or just the runtime. It only mentions the words runtime on the page :( |
| 02:17.45 | cafuego | shingouz: that is 1) Cheap 2) will work and 3) isn't a PITA. |
| 02:17.56 | shingouz | :) |
| 02:17.57 | typo | what't the best way to find out where all my memory is being used? |
| 02:18.06 | typo | top doesn't seam to be much help |
| 02:18.08 | sussudio | !free ram |
| 02:18.08 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 02:18.25 | cafuego | shingouz: You should be able to find a $10 PCI geforce2 or something. In fact, I'm pretty sure they stills ell PCI (not pci-e) geforce4's. |
| 02:19.31 | typo | what's buffers and cached? |
| 02:19.32 | shingouz | cafuego i'm in western siberia but am desperately trying to find such neat toys for the box. actually i would like to unearth a Matrox G200 for the box. no such luck yet :( |
| 02:20.09 | cafuego | shingouz: Hmm, i have a spare g400, but that's AGP too. |
| 02:20.14 | cafuego | Oh dear. |
| 02:20.21 | cafuego | Anyone here running Gnome? |
| 02:20.32 | shingouz | cafuego i have seen G200's here but they are all AGP |
| 02:20.50 | sussudio | !fist cafuego |
| 02:20.54 | cafuego | shingouz: Mind you, if you want 3D you're still better off with an nvidia than a matrox. |
| 02:20.56 | shingouz | eugh :p |
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| 02:21.09 | typo | sussudio: do you know what "buffers" and "cached" are? |
| 02:21.16 | bytecolor | matrox... good 2d cards |
| 02:21.21 | shingouz | cafuego i don't need the 3d, i'd be happy with xv infact |
| 02:21.31 | cafuego | shingouz: Then why bother with the voodoo2? |
| 02:21.41 | sussudio | typo: yes, i do. |
| 02:21.53 | jotham | can i force apt to continue even though a dependancy check has failed? |
| 02:22.12 | cafuego | Pff. PCI GeForce fx5200 - AU$110 |
| 02:22.17 | shingouz | cafuego hmm... when you put it that way... i guess i'll rip the thing out of there and just install the previous millennium 4M card |
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| 02:22.28 | cafuego | shingouz: Much better idea :-) |
| 02:22.46 | shingouz | ....and be on a lookout for a G200 or better... |
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| 02:23.05 | cafuego | shingouz: At least that will give you a decent matroxfb console And woking X driver. |
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| 02:23.16 | shingouz | cafuego true |
| 02:23.27 | typo | sussudio: would you enlighten me then, please? |
| 02:23.28 | Gumby | Soundzor: I really dont know. I think make-jpkg will do both but I am not 100% sure |
| 02:23.35 | cafuego | shingouz: You should be able to order a card online. What's yer budget? |
| 02:23.43 | Opiated | back |
| 02:23.51 | Opiated | I stayed after class and the professor graded the midterm |
| 02:23.55 | Opiated | I got 100 |
| 02:23.57 | Opiated | :D |
| 02:24.04 | shingouz | cafuego no credit card :( |
| 02:24.08 | Opiated | and tomorrow I turn 24 |
| 02:24.12 | Opiated | and tomorrow I apt-get update |
| 02:24.13 | cafuego | shingouz: so? |
| 02:24.15 | Opiated | woohooo |
| 02:24.36 | shingouz | i'll find a card eventually, there are a bunch of recyclers in the area that i frequent |
| 02:24.38 | cafuego | shingouz: Many places allow you to pay the postman. |
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| 02:25.04 | cafuego | shingouz: it's just a matter of finding a local (same country, anyway) store. |
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| 02:25.40 | shingouz | cafuego in this place doing it COD will cost an arm and a leg. the cards are there, it's just a matter of locating them (and i have gotten pretty good at unearthing odd stuff) |
| 02:25.42 | bytecolor | or try a local peecee repair shop, might have used cards |
| 02:26.03 | shingouz | bytecolor they already know even my phone number ;) |
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| 02:26.36 | bytecolor | shingouz, I find stuff at the local Goodwill(TM) as well |
| 02:26.44 | Opiated | I have an onboard 8mb video card i810 intel on a 2001 sony vaio. Approximately how much would a 64mb card cost, one with good driver support for linux (i run sarge), or a 32 mb, i have an 866mhz machine with 256mb ram, i looked on tiger direct, but with shipping costs its too much for me. I can look at stores around here, but what do you think the price would/could be |
| 02:27.01 | bytecolor | still looking for a C64 though |
| 02:27.06 | shingouz | bytecolor at least one local shop has my cell on a speeddial as a matter of fact. i am usually the one who gets to fix the balkiest hardware |
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| 02:27.18 | shingouz | bytecolor want one? i can get you one pretty quick |
| 02:27.19 | Clujo | Opiated I bought a 32 meg ati on ebay for 7 bucks. works ok for me. |
| 02:27.25 | Opiated | wow |
| 02:27.30 | bytecolor | shingouz, ebay? |
| 02:27.37 | Opiated | how much was the shipping? |
| 02:27.39 | Gumby | Opiated: you should be able to find one for under $30 (new) Anything more would be a waste with the overall specs of that system |
| 02:27.42 | bytecolor | I've seen a zillion on ebay, but... |
| 02:27.50 | cafuego | shingouz: Thta's an idea actually, keep your eyes open for a PCI radeon |
| 02:27.51 | Opiated | Gumby, 32 or 64? |
| 02:27.56 | Gumby | probably 32 |
| 02:28.03 | shingouz | cafuego yup |
| 02:28.04 | Opiated | 30 isn't bad |
| 02:28.09 | TGM | The other day i found a page (actrually iirc it was a subdomain) somewhere on debian.org that could be used to obtain previous versions of packages... but i cannot seem to find it anymore. Can anybody give a URI? Thanks. |
| 02:28.09 | Clujo | shipping another 3 bucks. installed it tonight because of that intel card wouldnt work. |
| 02:28.13 | Gumby | Opiated: you wont notice a difference between 32 and 64 at that pricerange |
| 02:28.28 | shingouz | bytecolor i'll get the card locally. someday. eventually ;) |
| 02:28.35 | cafuego | TGM: snapshot.debian.net or archive.debian.org ? |
| 02:28.39 | Shadowarrior13 | What do I do with this new installer, do I burn it to a disk? |
| 02:28.50 | shingouz | mrs shingouz just has to live without xv for the time being |
| 02:29.07 | Soundzor | Right, all these tutorials I keep finding keep mentioning apt-get install java-package however, the java-package is never found? Do I need to replace that with the package I want or is that an actual wrap around program I need to install? I'm confused :( |
| 02:29.17 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: lol |
| 02:29.18 | TGM | ah snapshot.debian.... archive.debian.org is long dead. RIP |
| 02:29.23 | Opiated | also i had another question. I have another pc back home that I am getting, it has 1gb ram, 2 sticks of 512 ddr sdram 233mhz. Would they work if i stuck them in this pc, the one with 256mb ram and 866mhz, 2001 sony vaio, the other one with 1gb ram is 1.8ghz 2002 sony vaio |
| 02:29.27 | TGM | thanks. bookmarking. |
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| 02:29.59 | cafuego | Opiated: 266 you mean? |
| 02:30.02 | Opiated | yes |
| 02:30.05 | Opiated | that |
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| 02:30.17 | Opiated | wait, one is 333 mhz and the other is 266 |
| 02:30.30 | cafuego | Opiated: Do the vaios take pc2100? |
| 02:30.45 | Gumby | its probably sdram |
| 02:31.01 | Shadowarrior13 | How do I find out the architecture of my pc? |
| 02:31.03 | Gumby | nm |
| 02:31.05 | shingouz | vaio *desktop*? i havent seen anything but laptops |
| 02:31.05 | cafuego | Gumby: d'uh. |
| 02:31.09 | Opiated | the 1.8ghz one does yes, |
| 02:31.17 | Opiated | i dont know about this 2001 vaio |
| 02:31.22 | Gumby | cafuego: ye said ddr |
| 02:31.22 | Shadowarrior13 | Anyone? |
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| 02:31.30 | Gumby | yee/he |
| 02:31.31 | kenboo | i've seen so many vaio desktop in Russian black market |
| 02:31.32 | cafuego | Gumby: ddr sdram |
| 02:31.39 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 open up the case perhaps? |
| 02:31.50 | Gumby | 866 seems mighty slow for a system to have ddr |
| 02:31.51 | Shadowarrior13 | Withot doing that :P |
| 02:31.56 | cafuego | Opiated: Well you know, plug it in. if it boots without crashingk, it works ;-) |
| 02:32.01 | bob2 | hm |
| 02:32.03 | Shadowarrior13 | I need to find a debian instruction thingit |
| 02:32.06 | Shadowarrior13 | thingie* |
| 02:32.06 | Opiated | i mean i could just stick them in and check it out, i was just wondering if i'll fry something |
| 02:32.11 | bob2 | so how do I increase my "max open files" ulimit? |
| 02:32.11 | Opiated | because I don't want to fry anything |
| 02:32.20 | Shadowarrior13 | I know it's an intel |
| 02:32.29 | cafuego | Gumby: Might take rdram. |
| 02:32.30 | shingouz | !tell Shadowarrior13 about d-i |
| 02:32.43 | Gumby | cafuego: **shudders** |
| 02:32.45 | Shadowarrior13 | That's what I'm gonna use |
| 02:33.00 | Opiated | cafuego, so testing to see weather the 512 sticks works in this older pc isn't going to fry anything right? It just won't boot it they don't work, so i can safely try it? |
| 02:33.02 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 that should take care of it unless you have somethign really exotic |
| 02:33.02 | Shadowarrior13 | But I need my architecture |
| 02:33.08 | cafuego | Shadowarrior13: i386 |
| 02:33.10 | Gumby | I have 1GB of ECC rdram at home that is bunk :( |
| 02:33.17 | Shadowarrior13 | And how do YOU now? |
| 02:33.19 | Shadowarrior13 | know* |
| 02:33.22 | tarheelcoxn | Shadowarrior13: open the box? |
| 02:33.28 | Shadowarrior13 | WITHOUT DOING THAT |
| 02:33.30 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 what do you run there? windows? |
| 02:33.33 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah |
| 02:33.35 | kenboo | bob2, my guess is it's /proc/sys/fs/aio-max-nr |
| 02:33.38 | shingouz | i386 |
| 02:33.45 | Shadowarrior13 | Ok... |
| 02:33.48 | kenboo | oops file-max |
| 02:33.48 | cafuego | Opiated: the 866 MHz box probably requires rdram, so your ddr sdram won't work (or fit). |
| 02:33.50 | Gumby | Opiated: are the modules compatible? that 866 you have probably doesnt take ddr ram. |
| 02:33.53 | bob2 | kenboo: aio = asynchronous io, afaik |
| 02:33.58 | bob2 | kenboo: ah, right |
| 02:33.58 | Opiated | oh |
| 02:34.00 | Opiated | that sucks |
| 02:34.04 | Shadowarrior13 | And there isn't a walkthrough |
| 02:34.05 | tarheelcoxn | Shadowarrior13: beige box or brand name? |
| 02:34.07 | bob2 | kenboo: except I think I'm hitting my ulimit, not that limit |
| 02:34.09 | cafuego | Opiated: Yes, rdram sucks. it's slow and expensive. |
| 02:34.13 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 doze does not run on sparcs or macs so i386 is a pretty safe bet |
| 02:34.17 | cafuego | Opiated: Consider suing RAMBUS. |
| 02:34.27 | Opiated | i just got a job at ace hardware |
| 02:34.28 | Gumby | cafuego: rdram = rambus |
| 02:34.31 | kenboo | bob2, oic |
| 02:34.36 | Opiated | hopefully within a month or two i can build another pc |
| 02:34.44 | Gumby | does it not? |
| 02:34.46 | cafuego | Gumby: RAMBUS = company name, rambus = rdram = product. |
| 02:34.47 | Opiated | to hell with spending anything on this piece of junk |
| 02:35.00 | Shadowarrior13 | It's black |
| 02:35.01 | cafuego | Gumby: suing != using ;-) |
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| 02:35.02 | Shadowarrior13 | And a dell |
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| 02:35.09 | tarheelcoxn | i386 |
| 02:35.10 | myren | are there any bit torrent clients which can store a file sparsely? |
| 02:35.15 | Shadowarrior13 | K |
| 02:35.17 | tarheelcoxn | Dell is intel-only |
| 02:35.19 | Gumby | Opiated: I'll sell ya 1024mhz ECC rdram? |
| 02:35.20 | Opiated | myren? |
| 02:35.21 | Shadowarrior13 | Now, what do I do with this installer? |
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| 02:35.26 | Gumby | hehe |
| 02:35.33 | Opiated | qtorrent, ctorrent, azuerus |
| 02:35.35 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 also you just might consider moseying over to the dell support site.... |
| 02:35.37 | Opiated | i confuse |
| 02:35.45 | Opiated | what do you mean by storing a file sparsely |
| 02:35.45 | Shadowarrior13 | I'll freeball it |
| 02:35.51 | phogg | myren: btdownloadcurses seems to do that for me, AFAICT |
| 02:35.52 | Shadowarrior13 | What do I do with the installer? |
| 02:35.59 | myren | i guess the blocks are just really big or something... |
| 02:36.00 | cafuego | Opiated: The 866 with 256Mb will make a fine mail/web server. |
| 02:36.02 | tarheelcoxn | Shadowarrior13: d'you get the netinst CD? |
| 02:36.13 | Shadowarrior13 | Nope |
| 02:36.13 | Opiated | cafuego, yes I don't throw away old pcs :) |
| 02:36.18 | Shadowarrior13 | I have no cd |
| 02:36.35 | cafuego | Opiated: i won't need any more ram to do that for a small network. |
| 02:36.43 | shingouz | Shadowarrior13 burn the image onto a cd-r *as an image* not as data files, boot off the cd and you're on your merry way. reading the install documents is usually pretty useful too you know |
| 02:36.57 | Shadowarrior13 | Ok |
| 02:37.08 | cafuego | or you could be a bitch like em and run various servers in vmware on a single big fuck-off machine. |
| 02:37.18 | shingouz | heh |
| 02:37.42 | Opiated | is there a way to clean out unneccery junk left in the ram from other apps. for example i had like 10 apps open this morning, and ram usage was about 90%, and I closed 7 of them, and i just have firefox, xchat, xmms running and the ram load is still around 85% |
| 02:38.17 | cafuego | Opiated: Don't bother, the kernel will do that as needed. |
| 02:38.18 | Shadowarrior13 | How do I burn it as an image? |
| 02:38.38 | phogg | Shadowarrior13: not familiar with ISO iamges? |
| 02:38.38 | Opiated | but is it possible to do so manually? (i'll do as you suggest though) |
| 02:38.46 | bytecolor | sync might show a tad more ram |
| 02:38.47 | tarheelcoxn | Shadowarrior13: Nero |
| 02:38.53 | Clujo | Shadowarrior13, the menu should help with that. |
| 02:39.02 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: sorry |
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| 02:39.08 | phogg | Pfft, Alcohol 120 is more fun |
| 02:39.21 | Opiated | mount is more fun. |
| 02:39.23 | tarheelcoxn | Shadowarrior13: go to the Nero website |
| 02:39.26 | Shadowarrior13 | K |
| 02:39.27 | shingouz | burning cd's under windows is something i have never done in my life believe it or not |
| 02:39.31 | tarheelcoxn | they have a trial download |
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| 02:39.41 | Opiated | :) as well as img to iso, mds to iso, and other little utilities |
| 02:39.50 | dragonbyte | anyone here using beep-media-player have problems with it not saving window positions? |
| 02:40.02 | Opiated | dragonbyte, that is why i stopped using it, i go with xmms |
| 02:40.31 | cafuego | Opiated: not to my knowledge, no. |
| 02:40.39 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte, Opiated: gaim does that |
| 02:40.40 | bytecolor | it amazed me how much faster I could burn a CD with cdrecord under Linux compared to something like Nero under windoze |
| 02:40.46 | cafuego | Use cdrecord, bitches. |
| 02:40.50 | dragonbyte | Opiated: I cant imagine that is normal behavior |
| 02:40.58 | dragonbyte | Opiated: specially after so many versions it still does it |
| 02:41.09 | shingouz | cdrecord is what i use, biatch ;) |
| 02:41.20 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: what wm do you use? metacity? |
| 02:41.29 | dragonbyte | tarheelcoxn: sawfish |
| 02:41.36 | dragonbyte | tarheelcoxn: metacity doesnt do edgeflipping does it? |
| 02:42.03 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: dunno; haven't tried |
| 02:42.11 | dragonbyte | tarheelcoxn: drag mouse against edge of screen to get to next vdesktop |
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| 02:42.34 | bytecolor | you have to enable it in IceWM, so... |
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| 02:42.42 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: nope |
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| 02:43.37 | tarheelcoxn | say... speaking of window positions |
| 02:43.46 | tarheelcoxn | anybody gotten devil's pie working? |
| 02:43.55 | dragonbyte | also...does debian have x.org packages? |
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| 02:44.13 | zahod | !xorg |
| 02:44.13 | dpkg | i heard xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 02:45.08 | dragonbyte | hrm i am on sid |
| 02:45.22 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: wuss |
| 02:45.25 | tarheelcoxn | ;) |
| 02:45.33 | dragonbyte | wuss? |
| 02:45.38 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: I am, too |
| 02:45.42 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn you run experimental then? or hurd? |
| 02:45.58 | tarheelcoxn | dragonbyte: just bein' silly |
| 02:46.06 | shingouz | heh |
| 02:46.08 | bob2 | you can't "run" experimental |
| 02:46.09 | dragonbyte | IGP320M, hacked up XFree implementation that I have to tinker with after every upgrade because debian broke it out into a multitude of packages |
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| 02:46.24 | dragonbyte | and hacked up kernel patching nonsense... |
| 02:46.27 | dragonbyte | god I hate HP laptops |
| 02:46.32 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: there's not an i386 hurd |
| 02:46.35 | dragonbyte | I just want to go to a clean X install :( |
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| 02:46.50 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn there isn't? i thought there was one? |
| 02:46.56 | bob2 | tarheelcoxn: er, yes there is |
| 02:46.59 | swimsk | hi folks, my mouse seems to be configured wrong, I cant seem to get it to work in X |
| 02:47.15 | dabreegster | Anyone know why the gpm-root program isn't in the testing package 'gpm' version 1.19.6 and where to get it? |
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| 02:48.00 | tarheelcoxn | bob2: when did that happen? |
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| 02:48.18 | bytecolor | thanks for the lappy info shingouz & tarheelcoxn, seeyas later |
| 02:48.25 | uman | Hey I was just wondering, what is so great about Debian? |
| 02:48.31 | tarheelcoxn | bytecolor: no problem |
| 02:48.43 | shingouz | uman you ask that on #debian? apt-get rules |
| 02:48.50 | uman | nvm I gtg |
| 02:48.53 | uman | cya |
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| 02:49.11 | bob2 | tarheelcoxn: 15 years ago? |
| 02:49.15 | tarheelcoxn | ?! |
| 02:49.17 | dragonbyte | so noone has a fix for beep media player window positions not being saved? |
| 02:49.22 | bob2 | there's only ever been an i386 port |
| 02:49.29 | bob2 | dragonbyte: have you filed a bug yet? |
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| 02:50.10 | dragonbyte | bob2: nope, I am more inclined to believe I have something set wrong still at this point |
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| 02:50.34 | tarheelcoxn | bob2: so what was it that stopped me from switching to hurd instead of kernel 2.6 three months ago? |
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| 02:50.51 | ARCh1V1St | i've added my normal user account to the dialout group, but still cant access rfcomm0/ttyS0....root has no problem |
| 02:50.55 | tarheelcoxn | bob2: I know there was some hardware issue |
| 02:50.56 | dabreegster | Anyone know where the gpm-root program is? It's not in the gpm package. |
| 02:50.58 | ARCh1V1St | what should i look for??? im lost... |
| 02:50.58 | dragonbyte | bob2: I tried bmp long ago and it did that, went back with xmms, tried again and it still does it...hard to imagine that its a bug and not a jacked setting |
| 02:51.02 | bob2 | tarheelcoxn: the fact that it's useless? |
| 02:51.08 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn do you think hurd would actually have the hardware support already then |
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| 02:51.13 | bob2 | ARCh1V1St: did you log out and in again? |
| 02:51.20 | ARCh1V1St | checked file permissions, correct |
| 02:51.23 | bob2 | dragonbyte: er, I'd disagree with that |
| 02:51.26 | ARCh1V1St | yes, rebooted actually |
| 02:51.49 | bob2 | that was silly |
| 02:51.56 | tarheelcoxn | I really have been in a cave, y'all |
| 02:51.58 | bob2 | is rfcomm0 owned by root:dialout? |
| 02:52.05 | tarheelcoxn | and by cave I mean school |
| 02:52.06 | ARCh1V1St | permissions are root/dialout on.. |
| 02:52.08 | ARCh1V1St | you got it :D |
| 02:52.31 | tarheelcoxn | midterms stole my sleep |
| 02:52.47 | shingouz | tarheelcoxn goes to prove school is bad for your health |
| 02:52.48 | scarynetworkguy | !tell skydoll about away |
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| 02:53.08 | tarheelcoxn | shingouz: amen |
| 02:53.14 | ARCh1V1St | BTW, a few people on here helped me earlier today. I was able to get my bluetooth GPS working quite easily with a USB dongle |
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| 02:53.26 | ARCh1V1St | very nice not dealing with serial.. |
| 02:53.31 | dondelelcaro | cafuego, caphuso: whichever of you was worried about the stupid ... bug with dpkg, it's fixed now. |
| 02:53.47 | barbari | hi i can enable htaccess in apache on debian ? |
| 02:53.52 | dondelelcaro | now if I can just figure out why it's not deleting shms when it should, I'd be set. |
| 02:53.58 | dondelelcaro | barbari: it's enabled by default, iirc. |
| 02:54.24 | barbari | dondelelcaro, its not :( i'm try.. |
| 02:54.38 | ARCh1V1St | does the syntax of this look correct? |
| 02:54.39 | ARCh1V1St | dialout:x:20:user |
| 02:54.58 | ARCh1V1St | user being my 'user' account :) extracted from my /etc/group |
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| 02:55.16 | ARCh1V1St | i made this change, rebooted, and still cant use rfcomm0 |
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| 02:55.29 | dondelelcaro | barbari: you have an AccessFileName .htaccess; and an appropriate AllowOverride setting for the directory in question, right? |
| 02:55.47 | dondelelcaro | barbari: you've also got the permissions of .htaccess set such that the user that apache is running as can read .htaccess? |
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| 02:57.50 | ARCh1V1St | having similar problems with ttyS0 |
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| 02:59.08 | shingouz | ARCh1V1St who owns /dev/ttyS0? you in that group too? |
| 02:59.19 | bob2 | ARCh1V1St: what does "groups" print out? |
| 02:59.29 | douglas | I'm having a problen with iwconfig... It won't let me switch to managed mode from Ad-Hoc... Any ideas? I run "iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed" and it's still in Ad-Hoc when I check it by running "iwconfig wlan0" |
| 02:59.30 | ARCh1V1St | correct, root/dialout, and i've added myself to the dialot group |
| 02:59.35 | ARCh1V1St | thanks checking... |
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| 03:00.04 | ARCh1V1St | groups does show this user in dialout too |
| 03:00.05 | bob2 | douglas: as root, right? |
| 03:00.07 | ARCh1V1St | hmmm.... |
| 03:00.14 | douglas | bob2: yup |
| 03:00.19 | bob2 | ARCh1V1St: did you fuck with /etc/passwd or /etc/group yourself? |
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| 03:00.32 | tarheelcoxn | douglas: have you looked at /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:00.33 | ARCh1V1St | heheh, group directly with nano, yes |
| 03:00.37 | ARCh1V1St | is that bad??? |
| 03:00.46 | douglas | tarheelcoxn: no, I haven't |
| 03:00.56 | tarheelcoxn | douglas: you might try editing that file and just using ifup wlan0 |
| 03:00.57 | ARCh1V1St | i should of used groupadd instead? |
| 03:01.11 | tarheelcoxn | douglas: bring the interface up directly in managed |
| 03:01.23 | bob2 | ARCh1V1St: it is if you fuck up |
| 03:01.32 | ARCh1V1St | ahahahh, understood |
| 03:01.44 | ARCh1V1St | but i THINK my syntax is correct, as shown above |
| 03:02.00 | ARCh1V1St | looks fine when compared to how 'user' was added elsewhere |
| 03:02.15 | ARCh1V1St | maybe I should use groupadd to retry... |
| 03:02.31 | ARCh1V1St | i've done this before, with no problems, (but different groups) |
| 03:03.44 | wk | I've installed a couple machines using the new debian installer. They all work fine. I tried install debian on my new Dell D610 laptop, the installer complains no "partitionable disk" found. I tried both linux26 and the default 2.4 kernel, 2.4 kernel works, but not 2.6 kernel. Any thought? |
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| 03:04.05 | ARCh1V1St | USERadd, i should have said :) |
| 03:04.19 | bob2 | wk: #debian-boot |
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| 03:04.44 | c4__ | bob2: did you hear something about a working stuff for rendering with ati radeon IGPs/ |
| 03:04.45 | c4__ | ? |
| 03:05.46 | bob2 | I don't know what "IGP" is |
| 03:05.59 | ARCh1V1St | whats the best way to remove a user from a group? |
| 03:06.18 | c4__ | he |
| 03:06.57 | Nwallins | bob2: integrated graphics processor (ie on motherboard) |
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| 03:07.05 | bob2 | oh |
| 03:07.07 | c4__ | bob2: me too, but is an ugly video board integrated in a mainboard (or something like that) |
| 03:07.12 | bob2 | does it matter where the chipset is? |
| 03:07.17 | bob2 | presumably it's still on the AGP bus |
| 03:07.33 | douglas | tarheelcoxn: I'm not able to set any options if I set it to ifup wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:07.41 | Soundzor | bam, java is installed. I <3 Debian, definitely my fav distro |
| 03:09.08 | c4__ | bob2: i don't know what ati guyz earn telling "we do not support ati igp chips |
| 03:09.21 | bob2 | well, they can't |
| 03:09.39 | bob2 | motherboard morons, or as they like to call themselves, "engineers" always break stuff |
| 03:09.49 | tarheelcoxn | douglas: options like... ? |
| 03:09.52 | c4__ | hey! |
| 03:10.13 | c4__ | i'm a future ingeneer 8...o( |
| 03:10.21 | bob2 | electrical? |
| 03:10.30 | c4__ | engineer |
| 03:10.37 | c4__ | electronic |
| 03:10.37 | bob2 | right |
| 03:10.43 | tarheelcoxn | bob2: I've killed a motherboard, and I'm in INLS |
| 03:10.44 | bob2 | so don't go into motherboard design! |
| 03:10.51 | c4__ | lol |
| 03:10.52 | guorke | !players |
| 03:10.52 | dpkg | players are evil |
| 03:11.01 | guorke | no one? |
| 03:11.09 | c4__ | no, im makeing washing machines and alarm stuff |
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| 03:11.38 | c4__ | let's say... a 3rd world engineer |
| 03:12.02 | tarheelcoxn | guorke: no one what? |
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| 03:12.49 | c4__ | hehe players are evil! |
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| 03:13.00 | Nwallins | what is the difference between the electrical realm and electronic realm? |
| 03:13.01 | tweak | !tell tweak amd64 |
| 03:13.09 | cinix | Does anyone know of any disassemblers for linux? |
| 03:13.14 | bob2 | cinix: nasm |
| 03:13.16 | tweak | could someone poing me to the dpkg tell about amd please. |
| 03:13.18 | cinix | that will disassemble windows pe executables |
| 03:13.19 | tweak | point |
| 03:13.23 | c4__ | he means cd players, or guys playing something? |
| 03:13.27 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.37 | bob2 | you disassemble executables? |
| 03:13.46 | tweak | I mean the amd64 debian (64 bit) |
| 03:13.58 | tweak | !tell tweak 64-bit |
| 03:14.05 | Phated | /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 03:14.05 | tweak | !tell tweak amd64-bit |
| 03:14.09 | c4__ | biew - console hex viewer/editor with disassembler |
| 03:14.09 | Phated | FFS. |
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| 03:14.16 | Phated | Just fucking /msg the bot. |
| 03:14.17 | Nwallins | tweak just use /msg dpkg |
| 03:14.21 | c4__ | pnet - DotGNU C# compiler, runtime, (dis)assembler |
| 03:14.25 | c4__ | ? |
| 03:14.27 | cinix | heh i've been trying biew |
| 03:14.29 | tweak | thanks |
| 03:14.34 | guorke | oh debian |
| 03:14.49 | c4__ | i disassemble writeing the 0101011101 by hand |
| 03:14.54 | c4__ | doh! |
| 03:14.54 | cinix | it's not smart enough to see a string and interprets it as bogus code |
| 03:14.58 | barbari | how i can use in apache2 this option, <Directory "/var/www/reactions/admin"> but for all subdictionery ?? |
| 03:15.13 | cinix | maybe i'm asking too much :) but it's impossible to use. might as well just use a hex editor |
| 03:15.45 | Nwallins | barbari: that directive ought to include all of the directory's contents, including subdirectories... but that is a question for #apache |
| 03:15.52 | c4__ | cinix: disassemble is transform an exe to asm code? |
| 03:15.58 | cinix | yup |
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| 03:16.13 | cinix | some even translate it into higher level languages |
| 03:16.15 | c4__ | that isn't too hard? |
| 03:16.17 | SmerdyMeteor | What's the simplest way to determine what version of Debian I'm running? |
| 03:16.18 | c4__ | hehe |
| 03:16.30 | c4__ | cinix: call tank from matrix |
| 03:16.31 | cinix | but who wants to see a C program full of random variable names |
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| 03:16.40 | maher | SmerdyMeteor: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:16.53 | SmerdyMeteor | maher, gratze |
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| 03:17.06 | cinix | hehe ;) |
| 03:17.22 | c4__ | cinix: tank can read strange green chars from the screen and tell you what is happening in the matrix |
| 03:17.37 | c4__ | isnt that grate? |
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| 03:18.01 | Phated | Which mean's he's a compiler, not a disassembler. |
| 03:18.55 | c4__ | ahh... |
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| 03:19.42 | eflynn | how do i get 'make-kpkg' to compile for i686? |
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| 03:21.25 | msh__ | hi |
| 03:21.29 | cafuego | eflynn: by configuring your kernel and running 'make-kpkg' |
| 03:21.39 | msh__ | how many of the install cds are necessary fior install |
| 03:21.43 | cafuego | eflynn: the i686 on precompiled kernels is a NAME only. |
| 03:21.50 | g3n0 | i just did an upgrade from stable to testing and ipop and imap have problems authenticating. ipop3d is properly setup in inet.conf and /etc/services but i keep getting '-ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command' if I try and telnet then login manually, any ideas? |
| 03:21.51 | cinix | eflynn, there's some nice tutorials I've read, but I seem to remember just doing make-kpkg --append-version=.1 kernel_image |
| 03:21.52 | cinix | or something like that |
| 03:21.54 | cinix | i don' tremember |
| 03:21.59 | cinix | glad to help :) |
| 03:21.59 | cafuego | msh__: Depends on your internet connection. |
| 03:22.03 | msh__ | ? |
| 03:22.16 | msh__ | why does it depend on that? |
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| 03:22.28 | c4__ | msh__: the 1st one |
| 03:22.31 | cafuego | msh__: If yoiu can do a net install, you only need a 40 or 100Mb iso. |
| 03:22.36 | msh__ | no |
| 03:22.39 | msh__ | i want the full images |
| 03:22.44 | msh__ | so hwo many wil i need |
| 03:22.47 | msh__ | ive heard trhe 2st one |
| 03:22.51 | msh__ | ive heard 1st and 2nd |
| 03:22.55 | msh__ | and ive heard 1, 2, 3rd |
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| 03:23.05 | ARCh1V1St | my user account is definitely been added to dialout correctly now, and i've trippled check all permissions... |
| 03:23.06 | cafuego | msh__: I think it's up to a DVD or 13 or so CDs these days for sarge. 7 for woody. |
| 03:23.09 | c4__ | msh__: you will no need the sourses and all that |
| 03:23.23 | ARCh1V1St | but this user cannot use rfcomm0/ttyS0 |
| 03:23.24 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: Did you logout and log back in? |
| 03:23.25 | msh__ | ya |
| 03:23.26 | msh__ | for woody |
| 03:23.27 | ARCh1V1St | yup! |
| 03:23.33 | ARCh1V1St | rebooted even, twice |
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| 03:23.40 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: Just goes to show old tech is evil. |
| 03:23.43 | msh__ | do i need all of them? |
| 03:23.51 | ARCh1V1St | thanks for your help earlier with the gps thing cafuego |
| 03:23.52 | cafuego | msh__: 1,2 and 3 would do, normally. |
| 03:23.54 | shingouz | cafuego 15 for sarge |
| 03:23.57 | c4__ | msh__: "no more polution" youll not need a lot of them |
| 03:24.10 | msh__ | alright |
| 03:24.11 | msh__ | thasnks |
| 03:24.22 | ARCh1V1St | i managed to get it working with bluetooth :D Just this damn permissions issue is burning me now |
| 03:24.29 | cafuego | msh__: Well, you MAY need 7 is you have some sofrt of hardware scsi setup. |
| 03:24.31 | ARCh1V1St | (only root can use rfcomm0) |
| 03:24.41 | cinix | I found a disassembler called REC but it segfaults when I use it, and it's closed source. |
| 03:24.42 | cinix | wtf |
| 03:24.56 | c4__ | cafuego: how much CO2 is all the ppl using electricity to download 13 CDs? |
| 03:25.12 | cafuego | c4__: A lot less then when people compile Gentoo. |
| 03:25.15 | wilbertoki | net install |
| 03:25.21 | c4__ | lol |
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| 03:25.38 | c4__ | cafuego: and me talking nonsence things |
| 03:25.46 | mwilson | <SCARF!> |
| 03:25.52 | wilbertoki | I got an amp meter and I found out that my dell poweredge server uses 200 watts idling |
| 03:25.55 | cafuego | mwilson: be amusing |
| 03:26.04 | tarheelcoxn | wilbertoki: lol |
| 03:26.05 | cafuego | wilbertoki: Intel P4 box? |
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| 03:26.10 | c4__ | idling! |
| 03:26.14 | c4__ | god! |
| 03:26.16 | wilbertoki | dual xeon |
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| 03:26.23 | tarheelcoxn | wilbertoki: that's a bright lightbulb |
| 03:26.26 | wilbertoki | 4 hard drives 16 ram sticks |
| 03:26.33 | drini | that's 2 bright lighbulbs |
| 03:26.38 | cafuego | wilbertoki: yeah, those sucks eat power like mad. (and are still slower then an opteron) |
| 03:26.40 | c4__ | mine use that at all power |
| 03:26.53 | wilbertoki | its ridiculous -- I am taking out one xeon |
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| 03:27.12 | wilbertoki | yeah its huge too |
| 03:27.21 | wilbertoki | I had no idea how big it was when I bought it on ebay |
| 03:27.32 | mwilson | cafuego: I'm eating. |
| 03:27.33 | eflynn | how much was it? |
| 03:27.34 | cafuego | and to top it all off it's a dell |
| 03:27.39 | cafuego | mwilson: whom? |
| 03:27.42 | wilbertoki | $325 |
| 03:27.47 | eflynn | nice |
| 03:27.50 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. |
| 03:27.53 | maher | wilbertoki: and do you do anything with it you couldn't run on a via eden? |
| 03:27.56 | mwilson | cafuego: A certain Mr. Sandwich. |
| 03:28.05 | cafuego | mwilson: lordy... |
| 03:28.17 | g3n0 | does anyone know why ipop3d is giving me this error when i try to authenticate, -ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command ? |
| 03:28.35 | cafuego | g3n0: The logfile knows. |
| 03:28.36 | mwilson | roast beef, avocado, swiss |
| 03:28.41 | wilbertoki | maher: processor wise no but I think it is a secure case for our office no one can steal it and its locking and it is probably more reliable than via |
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| 03:28.48 | Phated | mwilson: My my. |
| 03:29.09 | wilbertoki | maher: however looking back I wish I got a low power via and just added scsi disc to it that would have been fine |
| 03:29.17 | g3n0 | cafuego: the logfiles are less descriptive then what i get trying to telnet manually and loging in |
| 03:29.22 | myren | find . -size +100 works fine, gives three results, bt find . -size +100 -exec ls {} \; shows everting.... whats wrong wtih that -exec ls {} \; ?!?! |
| 03:29.25 | myren | arg |
| 03:29.39 | c4__ | hoochie mama |
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| 03:30.03 | mwilson | I don't go to SubMarina often enough... |
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| 03:30.23 | maher | ouch |
| 03:30.24 | Phated | I can. |
| 03:30.30 | karsten | Phated: You *found* them? |
| 03:30.39 | tweak | hi, I keep getting error -bash: ./steam: No such file or directory |
| 03:30.39 | wilbertoki | I want to make use of the hot swappable hard discs -- could I with scripts have it so that when I pop in a hard disc it automatically performs backup script and copies tar file to hard disc? |
| 03:30.46 | karsten | Phated: Please blink innocently form me. |
| 03:30.47 | tweak | but I know the file is there by doing ls -l. |
| 03:30.48 | Phated | karsten: WEll, if he's hurting, I'll consider it a close enough hit. |
| 03:30.48 | lenux | im new to this can you share files on this like in a p2p |
| 03:30.53 | karsten | Phated: Heh. |
| 03:30.54 | mwilson | karsten: It was that magnifying glass she found... |
| 03:31.01 | deadcat | mailq shows 1 email that i want to flush. postqueue -f dont flush it. what i do? |
| 03:31.01 | karsten | lenux: /help dcc |
| 03:31.03 | cafuego | Any gnome users willing to test something for me? |
| 03:31.08 | lenux | ty |
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| 03:31.16 | Phated | karsten: You wish. |
| 03:31.17 | cafuego | format string vulnerability? |
| 03:31.18 | karsten | mwilson: s/magnifying glass/SEM/ |
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| 03:31.25 | tarheelcoxn | cafuego: test what? |
| 03:31.26 | karsten | Phated: Like you don't know. |
| 03:31.33 | thorie | how do i delete all the text after the '|' character on every line in a text file? |
| 03:31.39 | mwilson | karsten: Ah, so that was why the lights dimmed... |
| 03:31.53 | Phated | karsten: Don't know what? |
| 03:31.53 | cafuego | tarheelcoxn: Set the name for a panel icon to something with '%' in it and then see if it comes up as tooltiptext. |
| 03:32.01 | karsten | Anyone got a good suggestion for getting ppp dialup on browser start? My thought is a shell wrapper: pon; $SENSIBLE_BROWSER; sleep 60; poff |
| 03:32.11 | karsten | Phated: Now much I want you to blink innocently at me. |
| 03:32.11 | cafuego | tarheelcoxn: Coz it don't appear to work here |
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| 03:32.28 | Phated | karsten: Oh, right. |
| 03:32.34 | mwilson | karsten: Wasn't that solved long ago by things like diald? |
| 03:32.36 | tarheelcoxn | you want me to add something to a panel? |
| 03:32.47 | tarheelcoxn | like a link to fire up firefox or something? |
| 03:32.53 | karsten | mwilson: My experience with diald is that there's just too much stuff making random net connections. |
| 03:33.03 | tarheelcoxn | only call it "Fire%Fox" for example? |
| 03:33.22 | karsten | mwilson: This came out of a conversation with a MSFT=>Linux convert. My understanding of Windows is that it's effectively doing the wrapper thing. |
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| 03:33.48 | mwilson | karsten: Windows is not very good at determining whether or not to start the dialer. |
| 03:34.07 | tweak | hi, I wget a .bin file, and then chmod -x and chmod 777'ed it and it says, -bash: ./steam: No such file or directory |
| 03:34.09 | karsten | mwilson: A plus for our team ;-) |
| 03:34.10 | tweak | any ideas? |
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| 03:34.23 | karsten | tweak: What's the name of the file? |
| 03:34.33 | karsten | tweak: and WTF is steam? |
| 03:34.36 | tweak | hldsupdatetool.bin is one and steam is the other. |
| 03:34.44 | karsten | tweak: Where'd you get it? |
| 03:34.45 | tweak | steam is a game server updater. |
| 03:34.58 | tweak | steampowered.com (its the file inside the hldsupdatetool.bin I had on another server) |
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| 03:35.03 | karsten | tweak: Probably the script is trying to invoke 'steam' and it or your path are fscked. |
| 03:35.09 | lenux | do ypu have ant problem trying to connect to dalnet |
| 03:35.32 | tweak | ? |
| 03:35.48 | karsten | tweak: URL for the script? |
| 03:35.49 | tweak | I open hldsupdatetool.bin by just going ./hldsupdatetool.bin right? |
| 03:36.01 | tweak | karsten its not a script |
| 03:36.27 | karsten | tweak: You don't "open" files in Linux, not the same as windows anyway. We "run" them. |
| 03:36.31 | tweak | testingserver:/usr/steam# ./hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 03:36.31 | tweak | -bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory |
| 03:36.38 | karsten | tweak: So yes: ./foo will run foo if foo is executable. |
| 03:36.40 | tweak | sorry but you know what I mean. |
| 03:36.45 | Phated | tweak: sh <filename> |
| 03:36.56 | tarheelcoxn | cafuego: what's it supposed to do again? |
| 03:36.57 | tweak | hldsupdatetool.bin: hldsupdatetool.bin: cannot execute binary file |
| 03:36.59 | mwilson | karsten: Two things... one, sensible-browser is an alternative, not an env variable... two, sensible-browser can concievably be an X application, so wouldn't that start and then more or less immediately stop the PPP connection? |
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| 03:37.20 | tweak | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2981254 2003-09-10 23:21 hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 03:37.35 | karsten | mwilson: Yeah, I was giving shorthand. X11BROWSER *is* a standard Debian var, FWIW. |
| 03:38.06 | droide | Does someone know if there's any problem between gnome2.8 and Debian sarge? |
| 03:38.07 | karsten | mwilson: And yes, the idea is to have the dialup session start and end more or less contemporaneously with the browser session. |
| 03:38.11 | mwilson | karsten: What sets that? None of my shells define it. |
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| 03:38.37 | New | Dose anyone happen to know the command that will tell em how much Memory Debian is using |
| 03:38.43 | tweak | karsten any ideas? |
| 03:38.50 | mwilson | karsten: What I meant was that if sensible-browser was an X application, the command line would continue and immediately drop the connection. |
| 03:38.51 | cinix | free |
| 03:38.55 | cinix | New, free |
| 03:39.00 | nailbiter | tweak: do a 'file hldsupdatetool.bin' to double-check the format of the file. it might not be an ELF executable |
| 03:39.00 | mwilson | New: It had better be using all of it. |
| 03:39.25 | New | k lets see what it says I just finished installing debian and the pc is acting a little slow |
| 03:39.44 | nailbiter | droide: try looking in the debian bug-tracking system first; someone may already have reported the problem you have. |
| 03:39.49 | maher | New: check dma is turned on use hdparm |
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| 03:39.57 | karsten | mwilson: Um. Right. So it's: "pon & sensible browser; poff" |
| 03:39.57 | droide | nailbiter: thank you. |
| 03:40.20 | karsten | mwilson: ...and actually, no, the script halts at sensible-browser, until the browser is closed, just like any other command. |
| 03:40.24 | New | hers what it said |
| 03:40.29 | New | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.29 | New | Mem: 1036044 214848 821196 0 25120 107660 |
| 03:40.29 | New | -/+ buffers/cache: 82068 953976 |
| 03:40.29 | New | Swap: 2714944 0 2714944 |
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| 03:40.42 | mwilson | karsten: <shrug> I think that depends on what sensible-browser does. |
| 03:40.44 | karsten | tweak: I've got lots of ideas. One idea is to find a bottle of Jack Daniels and curl up in a corner. |
| 03:41.09 | deadcat | somebody help me flush my mailq in postfix, its been there for few days now |
| 03:41.22 | mwilson | karsten: Example... |
| 03:41.24 | mwilson | rei $ echo one ; gvim ; echo two |
| 03:41.24 | mwilson | one |
| 03:41.24 | mwilson | two |
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| 03:41.27 | Nwallins | karsten: you should drink it first |
| 03:41.29 | karsten | mwilson: Commands don't run bg unless you tell 'em too. |
| 03:41.30 | Nwallins | ha |
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| 03:41.35 | mwilson | fsck |
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| 03:41.38 | karsten | !taunt mwilson |
| 03:41.39 | Nwallins | heh |
| 03:41.40 | nailbiter | deadcat: try 'postfix flush', then tail your /var/log/mail.log to watch it go out |
| 03:41.40 | mwilson | one two many |
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| 03:41.48 | New | I was disconnected |
| 03:41.59 | mwilson | Anyway... that left me with a shell prompt and a running gvim |
| 03:42.09 | nailbiter | deadcat: it'll also tell you if you have some sort of smtp constipation |
| 03:42.19 | mwilson | Of course, that's because gvim forks, but what if sensible-browser forks? |
| 03:42.32 | deadcat | nailbiter: Mar 11 19:42:07 hades postfix/qmgr[2882]: 627FB3A: from=<deadcat@sshonly.sytes.net>, size=22208, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 03:42.53 | mwilson | I think your solution needs some more smarts. |
| 03:42.54 | jayjayjayjay | Hi, could someone help configuring a wireless card(madwifi driver) please? I have no interface attached after modprobe and can't figure out why..Thanks a lot |
| 03:43.12 | deadcat | nailbiter: it failed to connect to smtp.freeshell.org, i just want to kill this mail |
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| 03:43.41 | nailbiter | deadcat: well, you could just let it sit for a week (or whatever the timeout is, after which postfix will mail a delivery error back to you) |
| 03:43.43 | deadcat | jayjayjayjay: lsmod|grep "drivername" ? |
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| 03:43.56 | nailbiter | deadcat: you can also use postsuper(8) to remove the message by id |
| 03:44.05 | deadcat | nailbiter: usually its really fast but this one is not failing |
| 03:44.10 | deadcat | nailbiter: ok |
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| 03:44.45 | deadcat | nailbiter: sweet hooker (= |
| 03:44.59 | New | My new Debian Sarge install is running slow can anyone please help me spped hings up a bit? |
| 03:45.17 | deadcat | New: get a new computer |
| 03:45.25 | jayjayjayjay | deadcat>driver is loaded(ath_) and cardctl sees the card(it is a pcmcia card by the way) but nothing in /log/message... |
| 03:45.30 | New | I already have a 4000 dell |
| 03:45.45 | tarheelcoxn | New: what's your window manager? |
| 03:45.46 | New | $4000 dell |
| 03:45.50 | New | gdm |
| 03:45.58 | deadcat | gdm is a display manager. |
| 03:46.01 | nailbiter | New: find the bottleneck first. :) what exactly is slow? which applications? |
| 03:46.04 | deadcat | $$$ doesnt mean gooodgoodgood |
| 03:46.09 | New | everything |
| 03:46.13 | New | Pages load slow |
| 03:46.20 | myren | oh crap! i just threw TightVNC on my homepc with a 5 letter password. i'm tring to connect to it now with xtightvncviewer but it wasnt me to make a password with vncpasswd. vncpasswd has a 6 character minimum |
| 03:46.22 | deadcat | New: you have virus |
| 03:46.24 | New | my screesaver keeps getting stuck |
| 03:46.25 | myren | why do the machines hate me |
| 03:46.30 | maher | New: use hdparm to check you are using dma |
| 03:46.38 | karsten | mwilson: Shortened version of this: |
| 03:46.42 | New | I just finished installing Debian 5 miniutes ago |
| 03:46.44 | karsten | mwilson: $ echo foo; dillo linuxmafia; echo bar |
| 03:46.50 | New | and havent loged in as root , yet |
| 03:46.51 | karsten | mwilson: foo |
| 03:46.52 | karsten | dillorc:94: unexpected string constant "force_visited_color", expected symbol |
| 03:46.55 | karsten | mwilson: ...more stuff. |
| 03:46.58 | New | ok |
| 03:47.01 | karsten | mwilson: Dillo: normal exit! |
| 03:47.02 | karsten | bar |
| 03:47.20 | mwilson | Well, it wasn't supposed to exit, was it? :) |
| 03:47.39 | jayjayjayjay | exit |
| 03:47.48 | New | hdparm command not found |
| 03:47.54 | maher | New: install it |
| 03:48.10 | karsten | mwilson: Um. The exit happened when I closed dillo. |
| 03:48.11 | New | apt-get install hdparm? |
| 03:48.19 | deadcat | New: try it |
| 03:48.26 | New | is the the correct command |
| 03:48.31 | deadcat | New: try it |
| 03:49.08 | karsten | mwilson: the point being that the execution point of the shell does *not* advance past the X app being run, as a general rule. If the app itself forks, sure. Most don't. |
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| 03:49.56 | karsten | mwilson: In fact, I've got my own 'launch' script I use to run X apps from shell w/o having to worry about job support. It's just: exec $@ & |
| 03:49.58 | New | k it's installing |
| 03:50.12 | myren | how do i add an X resource? |
| 03:50.28 | deadcat | myren: vi .Xdefaults |
| 03:50.35 | myren | word |
| 03:50.45 | deadcat | karsten: why not just use gmrun |
| 03:50.52 | deadcat | myren: not word, vi |
| 03:50.58 | mwilson | karsten: You didn't make clear that it closed on purpose. :) |
| 03:51.02 | karsten | myren: man xrdb. |
| 03:51.10 | karsten | deadcat: Um. What's that? |
| 03:51.11 | New | ok it's installed |
| 03:51.17 | New | what do I do next |
| 03:51.18 | mwilson | karsten: You're more trusting than I. :) |
| 03:51.38 | nailbiter | myren: if you want to add it immediately (for testing), just pipe the key-value pairs into 'xrdb -merge'. |
| 03:51.40 | deadcat | karsten: mini command thing to run apps from X without going into a shell |
| 03:51.41 | New | Maher you there |
| 03:51.43 | karsten | mwilson: Um. If the parent shell dies, you stay dialed in, yes. |
| 03:52.04 | karsten | deadcat: <alt><shift>-t gives me an instant shell. |
| 03:52.11 | karsten | deadcat: ...I've *always* got shells up. |
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| 03:52.31 | karsten | deadcat: ...that's a personally defined WMaker binding. |
| 03:52.32 | deadcat | karsten: alt shift s for me. heheh |
| 03:52.47 | tarheelcoxn | <Control><Alt>t |
| 03:52.51 | New | dose anyone know what hdpram is used foer |
| 03:52.59 | karsten | deadcat: ...there's also WMaker's 'run' dialog, but it doesn't have command history, shell expansion, etc. |
| 03:53.00 | shingouz | new man hdparm |
| 03:53.05 | tarheelcoxn | New: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html |
| 03:53.05 | deadcat | karsten: i use xbindkeys to bind keys |
| 03:53.06 | karsten | New: Setting hdparms. |
| 03:53.08 | New | I just installed it what do I do next? |
| 03:53.10 | myren | is there any man for Xdefaults itself? whats the syntax?: "paramWord myParams value is here" |
| 03:53.13 | karsten | New: RTFM |
| 03:53.18 | shingouz | new it is used to tweak the settings on the harddrives |
| 03:53.24 | tarheelcoxn | New: man hdparm |
| 03:53.34 | New | k |
| 03:53.50 | deadcat | karsten: ya. thats why i dont rely on window manager to do things, i use xbindkeys, gmrun instead of the building key bind to launch apps |
| 03:53.55 | New | ok |
| 03:54.01 | New | I big menu opend |
| 03:54.14 | deadcat | myren: /etc/X11/Xresources for example |
| 03:54.19 | karsten | New: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/22 |
| 03:54.37 | New | ok thanks |
| 03:54.39 | karsten | deadcat: WMaker's keybinding config is pretty damned sane. |
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| 03:55.13 | mwilson | I never liked gmrun |
| 03:55.14 | deadcat | karsten: i was wmaker->fluxfox->openbox i switched to xbindkeys when i was in fluxbox. heheh |
| 03:55.19 | mwilson | I still use bbrun |
| 03:55.22 | New | K i seee the website just dont know what to do next |
| 03:55.36 | deadcat | New: read mother fucker |
| 03:55.37 | De_Mon | omg.. |
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| 03:55.49 | De_Mon | I'm sitting here saying wtf is with all this New stuff! |
| 03:55.52 | karsten | deadcat: twm => VUE => CDE => fvwm => fvwm2 => various => WMaker. Last change was ~1998. |
| 03:56.01 | De_Mon | New please change your nick.. please? |
| 03:56.02 | karsten | De_Mon: Not old. |
| 03:56.13 | karsten | De_Mon: We had 'cat' on here the other day. I got a headache. |
| 03:56.19 | De_Mon | lol |
| 03:56.21 | karsten | De_Mon: Phated just blinked innocently. |
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| 03:56.51 | perdenab | oy fuckin' vey... goddam fucking debian boot is still coming up in some weird "virtual console" mode, where i see only a 640x480 window on my normally 1280x1024 display |
| 03:56.51 | karsten | SHE *NOTICED* ME! SHE WUUUUVS ME!! |
| 03:57.02 | perdenab | setting vga=795 in grub doesn't help |
| 03:57.08 | deadcat | Phated: time to make karsten your bitch |
| 03:57.09 | karsten | perdenab: What kind of kit? |
| 03:57.09 | perdenab | nor does CTRL-ALT-+ |
| 03:57.22 | Phated | karsten: Don't highlight me when I'm trying to sleep, bitch. |
| 03:57.23 | perdenab | debian woody core, all else sarge |
| 03:57.26 | Phated | deadcat: See above. :) |
| 03:57.26 | perdenab | worked fine for ages |
| 03:57.26 | De_Mon | just when I think #debian is getting boring it adds New stuff |
| 03:57.29 | takatumi | perdenab: tried vga=792 |
| 03:57.33 | New | bbr |
| 03:57.33 | takatumi | ? |
| 03:57.33 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 03:57.34 | perdenab | then i moved, and when i unpacked the PC this happens |
| 03:57.35 | New | brb |
| 03:57.37 | nailbiter | perdenab: are you on a neomagic lcd display? |
| 03:57.38 | karsten | Phated: Don't sleep with IRC in your face. |
| 03:57.48 | karsten | Phated: ...or does your client beep you? |
| 03:57.48 | perdenab | nope, plain old cathode ray |
| 03:57.56 | takatumi | nailbiter: long time. |
| 03:57.58 | perdenab | booting into windows or RH is fine, but not debian |
| 03:57.59 | Phated | karsten: I was just about to leave. You delayed me. |
| 03:58.00 | nailbiter | takatumi: heya. :) |
| 03:58.03 | perdenab | nothing changed on the filesystem |
| 03:58.16 | perdenab | i have tried 795 and 791... 792 you say? |
| 03:58.19 | De_Mon | karsten doesnt sound like you got the kind of attention you were hoping for |
| 03:58.27 | deadcat | perdenab: then stick with windows and RH. they are good OSes |
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| 03:58.32 | karsten | De_Mon: These days I'll settle for anything. |
| 03:58.38 | perdenab | but i like debian much better |
| 03:58.43 | Phated | 's called desperation. |
| 03:58.47 | karsten | De_Mon: ...though a bunch of chicks were screaming at me on my bike ride earlier. |
| 03:58.53 | perdenab | i am not going back to slow, opaque RH for the sake of a silly video glitch |
| 03:58.53 | karsten | Phated: Absofuckinglutely. |
| 03:59.00 | bluefox83 | where do i find an XML module called xm.DateTime? |
| 03:59.02 | mwilson | karsten: Are you at least using the latest wmaker? |
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| 03:59.04 | nailbiter | perdenab: are you getting this at boot time on the console, rather than in X11? |
| 03:59.07 | tarheelcoxn | perdenab: you brown-noser you |
| 03:59.08 | tweak | anybody know how I can find out what glibc version im running? |
| 03:59.08 | De_Mon | karsten "put your clothes back on" or something, am I right? |
| 03:59.09 | Phated | Or just patheticness. |
| 03:59.21 | nailbiter | bluefox83: you can ask the channel robot. :) /msg dpkg find xm.DateTime |
| 03:59.28 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 03:59.34 | deadcat | karsten: i hate wmaker themes as much i hate kde |
| 03:59.37 | karsten | mwilson: 0.91.0 running. |
| 03:59.43 | karsten | mwilson: 0.91.0-2 installed. |
| 03:59.44 | tarheelcoxn | tweak: you use aptitude or plain apt-get? |
| 03:59.45 | perdenab | textual boot has always been in 640x480 mode, with the penguin at the top.... it has then gone into 1280x1024 when gdm came up |
| 03:59.58 | karsten | De_Mon: That was probably it. |
| 04:00.08 | deadcat | perdenab: that sounds right |
| 04:00.09 | De_Mon | karsten who cares they were talking to you ! |
| 04:00.14 | perdenab | gdm still thinks it's 1280x1024 virtually, but i see only the 640x480 window |
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| 04:00.19 | karsten | deadcat: Themes? What's this themes shit? |
| 04:00.31 | perdenab | ...to go to the bottom of the screen, i drag the mouse, and it "virtually" appears |
| 04:00.41 | bluefox83 | oh shit, i got an assistant application that needs that module and it wont launch without it and the bot doesn't know where to find i t=( |
| 04:00.48 | pyJosh | i just installed woody, and my nic isn't recognized, how do i fix this? |
| 04:00.48 | deadcat | karsten: diff colors for the wm buttons and shits |
| 04:00.54 | karsten | deadcat: greyblue and fuggedaboudit. |
| 04:00.57 | nailbiter | perdenab: that's display panning. :) in that case, try looking your /var/log/XFree86.0.log; did XFree86 reject some of your monitor modes because of refresh rate problems? |
| 04:01.12 | takatumi | perdenab: vga=xx settings don't affect that. |
| 04:01.12 | karsten | De_Mon: Exactly my point ;-) |
| 04:01.14 | De_Mon | pyJosh start by figuring out what kind of nic you have |
| 04:01.27 | perdenab | i'll have a peek... but why would it start failing now, when it's worked for ages previously? |
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| 04:01.28 | pyJosh | De_Mon: k, then? |
| 04:01.33 | nailbiter | bluefox83: try looking in 'sid' or 'sarge' instead. /msg dpkg find <filename> sarge |
| 04:01.41 | karsten | mwilson: Anyhow, am I up-to-date enough for your blessing? |
| 04:01.47 | De_Mon | pyJosh once you figure that out, find out which module is needed for that card, and load it. |
| 04:01.48 | deadcat | pyJosh: find out first. then ask "then?" |
| 04:01.49 | pyJosh | De_Mon: dmesg didn't show anything, but i think it's a 3com |
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| 04:02.00 | De_Mon | pyJosh try lspci |
| 04:02.09 | c4_ | do i need mesa or something to have rendering? |
| 04:02.14 | deadcat | pyJosh: try 3cx59x |
| 04:02.16 | nailbiter | perdenab: well, the 'vga=' options only affect the boot-time console; X11 ignores those |
| 04:02.17 | takatumi | perdenab: that is for the console framebuffer setting, won't affect X |
| 04:02.27 | pyJosh | brb |
| 04:02.35 | mwilson | karsten: I don't care what you're running, particularly... it's just that the way you were talking, it sounded like you were using a very old wmaker or something. |
| 04:02.36 | nailbiter | perdenab: bah, you're gone |
| 04:02.36 | tweak | anybody know how I can upgrade my glibc from version 2.3.2 to 2.3.4? |
| 04:02.44 | bluefox83 | drat! returned no results =( |
| 04:02.53 | De_Mon | mwilson like woody? |
| 04:02.57 | karsten | mwilson: *shrug* One thing I like about it is that it *doesn't* change much. |
| 04:03.04 | deadcat | tweak: dist-upgrade |
| 04:03.12 | pyJosh | 3c905b |
| 04:03.13 | karsten | mwilson: I've liked it pretty much from the day I first tried it. It mostly looks the same. |
| 04:03.14 | nailbiter | tweak: well, glibc-2.3.4 isn't even in the 'unstable' branch yet |
| 04:03.21 | tweak | ok thanks. apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:03.33 | pyJosh | 3cx59x wasn't there |
| 04:03.34 | deadcat | tweak: try update && dist-upgrade, |
| 04:03.39 | New | yes ! maybe that's it |
| 04:03.44 | tweak | nailbiter, its required for one of the programs I need to run. Should I be scared? |
| 04:03.47 | karsten | mwilson: ...the main adds were IIRC workspace names, the cycle-windows thingie, and font smoothing. |
| 04:03.52 | New | do I have to apt-get dist upgrade |
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| 04:03.58 | karsten | mwilson: ...and a few stability tweaks. |
| 04:04.00 | New | I installed that hapda |
| 04:04.00 | mwilson | karsten: I've always liked wmaker. |
| 04:04.01 | deadcat | pyJosh: oh. 3c59x is common so i figured it would be |
| 04:04.13 | De_Mon | New its a - not a space |
| 04:04.29 | karsten | mwilson: what amuses me is that places I go, usually several people see me on it and adopt. |
| 04:04.32 | nailbiter | tweak: debian glibc is actually pretty heavily-patched; the maintainers sometimes backport fixes from later versions. you might want to check bugs.debian.org to see if you're already covered |
| 04:04.34 | pyJosh | deadcat: do you know what a 3c905b would be? i don't have a kernel to go in and check anything |
| 04:04.41 | New | would apt-get distupgrade make this pc run faster |
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| 04:04.49 | De_Mon | pyJosh when you say "wasn't there" what does that mean? |
| 04:05.01 | takatumi | New: unlikely but possible. |
| 04:05.01 | New | my eyes are hurting because everythings all big and blurry |
| 04:05.10 | deadcat | pyJosh: lsmod|grep "net/3c" |
| 04:05.13 | tweak | nailbiter ok thanks. I downloaded the tar.gz of it new libc6 I just dont know how to install it. |
| 04:05.15 | New | how do I start that hdpra |
| 04:05.18 | deadcat | pyJosh: modprobe -l |grep "net/3c" |
| 04:05.33 | New | I dont see it listed in the apps menu |
| 04:05.41 | deadcat | New: command line |
| 04:05.47 | pyJosh | can't locate module |
| 04:05.47 | fatA | How might one chroot some sftp users, oh only give them read access?? |
| 04:05.51 | New | the run or shell |
| 04:06.01 | pyJosh | deadcat: that didn't work either |
| 04:06.03 | deadcat | pyJosh: use modprobe -l, not lsmod. hehe |
| 04:06.08 | pyJosh | hardly anything loads |
| 04:06.12 | New | for some reason or another I'm automaticly loging in as root thats strange |
| 04:06.14 | pyJosh | er, shows up i mean |
| 04:06.21 | dafresh | hum, i have de little question ... why all my unresolved dns name point always on the same ip ? |
| 04:06.25 | New | always has the username $ sign |
| 04:06.26 | deadcat | pyJosh: what kernel you use? |
| 04:06.28 | nailbiter | New: several people pasted URLs at you earlier. those were guides to using hdparm to get the most of your IDE disks. read those first. :) |
| 04:06.40 | nailbiter | New: they'll have sample command lines for you to run hdparm with |
| 04:06.50 | pyJosh | deadcat: i really don't know, i just installed it for the first time, it's a 2.2 i think |
| 04:06.59 | dafresh | dig qsdqsdqsd.qsd -> |
| 04:07.00 | dafresh | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 04:07.00 | dafresh | ;qsdqsdqsd.qsd. IN A |
| 04:07.06 | De_Mon | deadcat iirc it said woody |
| 04:07.09 | New | Ohhhhh Ok now I see them sorry all the icons are big and blurry it's very hard for me to see |
| 04:07.12 | dafresh | rhaaaa wait |
| 04:07.18 | deadcat | pyJosh: you should really do bf24 during installation. i have no clue about 2.X, i wasnt even using computer in the 2.X days |
| 04:07.21 | dafresh | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 04:07.21 | dafresh | qsdqsdqsd.qsd. 6000 IN A 82.101.8.42 |
| 04:07.24 | New | that plus I seek dutch and have a hard time with english |
| 04:07.26 | mwilson | karsten: I went from afterstep to wmaker to blackbox |
| 04:07.36 | takatumi | !nl |
| 04:07.36 | pyJosh | deadcat: i might of actually |
| 04:07.36 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 04:07.36 | deadcat | De_Mon: pardon? |
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| 04:07.44 | fatA | How might one chroot some sftp users, oh only give them read access?? |
| 04:07.44 | mwilson | karsten: Not out of any minimalist thing, I just liked blackbox. |
| 04:07.48 | nailbiter | New: your video problems are a separate matter. :) you can tackle those later by reconfiguring X11 to have it run at a higher resolution |
| 04:07.48 | De_Mon | s/it/pyJosh/ |
| 04:07.57 | New | Ahhh thanks dpkg |
| 04:08.06 | pyJosh | deadcat: i had a some errors during installation, not sure why |
| 04:08.15 | New | I now see in dutch |
| 04:08.23 | deadcat | pyJosh: is this a desktop or server? do you have broadband? |
| 04:08.29 | pyJosh | i tried to do sarge, but i got an error that the modules couldn't be found on the cd |
| 04:08.40 | pyJosh | i'm on a lan |
| 04:08.42 | New | ntherlands |
| 04:08.51 | pyJosh | it's a server i guess |
| 04:08.53 | deadcat | De_Mon: hehe. it might be using 2.2 or bf24, so i better ask |
| 04:08.56 | fatA | Ok, anyone have some sftp users with restricted access? |
| 04:09.08 | bluefox83 | does python have a system that allows you to download their modules? |
| 04:09.17 | bluefox83 | like perl |
| 04:09.19 | deadcat | pyJosh: try sarge and press f3, then type linux26 |
| 04:09.23 | pyJosh | bluefox83: not that i know of |
| 04:09.26 | bluefox83 | :/ |
| 04:09.30 | pyJosh | deadcat: i did |
| 04:09.34 | New | k I'm going to read the manual thanks for the help everybody |
| 04:09.35 | deadcat | pyJosh: oh girl |
| 04:09.38 | nailbiter | fatA: what do you intend to do? allow your users to sftp into a server, but box them into a chroot environment? |
| 04:09.41 | deadcat | New: no problem. |
| 04:09.53 | pyJosh | deadcat: i tried disc 1 and 2, same error |
| 04:09.53 | fatA | nailbiter: zactly.! |
| 04:10.05 | pyJosh | i can try again and tell you the error |
| 04:10.11 | karsten | mwilson: Dig. I found it a little _too_ minimal. But it is fast and light. |
| 04:10.15 | deadcat | pyJosh: did you try the debian net installer? 40MB only. no disk2 |
| 04:10.27 | nailbiter | fatA: http://www.chains.ch/chroot.php |
| 04:10.27 | fatA | nailbiter: tricky part is I still need to sftp in with full access occasionaly. |
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| 04:10.36 | pyJosh | i could give that a try..... is there one for sarge? |
| 04:10.47 | deadcat | !d-i |
| 04:10.47 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:10.59 | nailbiter | fatA: i'm not sure how you're supposed to get PAM to apply the chroot conditionally, but i hear it can be done ;-) |
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| 04:11.14 | pyJosh | deadcat: i coulnd't even do taht with the normal sarge disc though, 'cause the kernel modules couldn't be loaded from the cd, so i didn't have net |
| 04:11.26 | fatA | nailbiter: ok. reading now .. |
| 04:11.34 | mwilson | karsten: I need to try the new release. |
| 04:11.48 | deadcat | pyJosh: use another comp or whatever to download ^^ that 40MB disk and try it. |
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| 04:12.35 | karsten | mwilson: I tend to keep my systems well stocked with WMs, just to keep up on what's around. KDE/GNOME are harder to have functional on unstable/testing. Xnest is your friend. |
| 04:12.37 | deadcat | my usb jumpdrive went through the washer and it still works. |
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| 04:12.52 | pyJosh | i'm downloading it right now |
| 04:13.03 | shingouz | pyJosh 3c509.o should be the module to look for if you really have the 3c509c there |
| 04:13.05 | guorke | how can i find sed channel? |
| 04:13.06 | pyJosh | 12 mins left |
| 04:13.16 | karsten | deadcat: there _are_ more effective means to practice data cleansing. |
| 04:13.18 | deadcat | guorke: none |
| 04:13.26 | drini | yeah samething happened to my usb drive (twice) |
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| 04:13.34 | cafuego | guorke: grep |
| 04:13.36 | deadcat | karsten: accidente (= |
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| 04:13.58 | deadcat | apt is a moron |
| 04:13.59 | guorke | you mean grep channel |
| 04:14.01 | mwilson | karsten: Oh, I don't bother with trying to have a functional Gnome/KDE around. |
| 04:14.20 | drini | it even went thrhough the drying machine, I thought heat would be more destructive than water (after all it's hermtically sealed) |
| 04:14.43 | karsten | mwilson: Heh. |
| 04:14.46 | guorke | deadcat,no sed channel,right? |
| 04:14.50 | bluefox83 | how do you download python modules using python? |
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| 04:15.01 | bluefox83 | does it have a download feature? |
| 04:15.08 | pyJosh | no |
| 04:15.16 | pyJosh | what module do you need? |
| 04:15.19 | cafuego | it's best to just not use python. |
| 04:15.24 | pyJosh | what? |
| 04:15.34 | bluefox83 | Ft.Xml.Xslt.Exslt.DateTime |
| 04:15.46 | bluefox83 | i think that's the one i need.. |
| 04:15.46 | pyJosh | where do you see that? |
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| 04:16.04 | bluefox83 | i dunno, i used python's help feature |
| 04:16.12 | bluefox83 | i did modules datetime |
| 04:16.12 | Vme | what file does debian use to determine it hotplug modules? I recently installed a USBMGR package and it screwed up some of my modules from loading? |
| 04:16.17 | bluefox83 | and that's what it spit out |
| 04:16.34 | bluefox83 | that and wxPython.py.wxd.DateTime |
| 04:16.52 | cafuego | Vme: install hotplug and discover1, remove usbmgr. |
| 04:16.55 | pyJosh | i think you should be able to just install it |
| 04:17.05 | pyJosh | probably with apt-get? |
| 04:17.13 | pyJosh | apt-get install wxpython maybe |
| 04:17.23 | bluefox83 | i want the first one though |
| 04:17.36 | pyJosh | you just need DateTime? |
| 04:17.43 | pyJosh | i guess i don't understand your problem |
| 04:17.58 | tweak | hi I need glibc 2.3.4 and I have 2.3.2 I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and it didnt help. Any ideas? |
| 04:18.17 | bluefox83 | i'm installing a personal assistant bot, and it requires that package.. |
| 04:18.53 | nailbiter | bluefox83: the wxpython package is 'libwxgtk2.4-python' (or 'libwxgtk2.5.3-python'). i'm not sure about the other one |
| 04:19.09 | pyJosh | it requires wxpython? or ft? |
| 04:19.13 | bluefox83 | ty, but i already have that one.. |
| 04:19.34 | bluefox83 | it requires..Ft.xml.blahblah |
| 04:19.39 | bluefox83 | whatever it was |
| 04:19.53 | pyJosh | so, the module package is Ft then |
| 04:20.22 | nailbiter | bluefox83: i don't think python has an all-in-one installer shell like perl does with CPAN. if you can download the module tarball, just unpack it into /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages. |
| 04:21.08 | kingsley_ | What's a good utility for quickly adding a soundtrack to an mpeg video? |
| 04:21.17 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, i looked on the python page, it says there is a package called datetime that's what i need, how do i find it/ |
| 04:21.21 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 04:21.24 | pyJosh | actually, after you untar it, there should be an installer |
| 04:21.27 | nailbiter | kingsley_: ffmpeg (from the marillat repository) can do a quick splice-and-dice like that |
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| 04:21.38 | pyJosh | do you have a link? |
| 04:21.44 | pyJosh | it might be in python already |
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| 04:21.57 | tweak | hi I need glibc 2.3.4 and I have 2.3.2 I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and it didnt help. Any ideas? |
| 04:22.44 | tvn | tweak: you're using the branch that has that version as the latest |
| 04:22.51 | bluefox83 | http://radio.weblogs.com/0124960/2003/09/11.html |
| 04:23.07 | bluefox83 | says right there about it, but i can't find the frelling thing =( |
| 04:23.12 | nailbiter | tweak: debian hasn't packaged any glibc later than 2.3.2; if you really really need 2.3.4, you'll have to download the source tarball, compile it and then install over the top of your debian libc6. |
| 04:23.12 | tweak | tvn sorry what does that mean? |
| 04:23.34 | bluefox83 | omg i found it in apt |
| 04:23.43 | tweak | nailbiter I tried that but I dont know what im doing. I dont know where to start the compileing. I know I gata make something hehe. |
| 04:23.48 | bluefox83 | i did apt-cache search mxdatetime and it spit it out.. |
| 04:23.51 | pyJosh | bluefox83: also, have you looked here? http://docs.python.org/lib/modindex.html |
| 04:23.59 | nailbiter | tweak: run './configure && make' in the top-level directory |
| 04:24.02 | kingsley_ | nailbiter: Must ffmpeg come from the marillat repository to be able to add a sound track or can the package at debian.org add one too? |
| 04:24.05 | pyJosh | bluefox83: those are all included in python already |
| 04:24.10 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, yeah, but it didn't have the actual file to download, just a summary |
| 04:24.32 | guorke | where's Beagle for Debian ? |
| 04:24.59 | nailbiter | kingsley_: actually, both look quite recent -- they both should be able to. :) |
| 04:25.01 | tweak | nailbiter, thanks so much what folder should I been in? the folder I untared in /usr/? this is the error I get. configure: error: you must configure in a separate build directory |
| 04:25.31 | pyJosh | bluefox83: everything on that page i posted is already in python, you wouldn't have to download anything |
| 04:26.01 | nailbiter | tweak: don't unpack the glibc sources in /usr; unpack them in /tmp, where they won't get in the way later. then run './configure && make' in the glibc-2.3.4 directory. |
| 04:26.19 | tweak | ok thanks brb |
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| 04:26.55 | nailbiter | tweak: i have to point out that clobbering your existing c library with a hand-rolled one is a very dangerous exercise. |
| 04:27.05 | nailbiter | tweak: hope you know what you're doing. :) |
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| 04:27.29 | tweak | nailbiter yeah I know, I just need it for 1 thing though. (its a virtual linux server so I can re do it any time it gets messed up) |
| 04:28.15 | tweak | nailbiter I ran the configure && thing in the /tmp/glibc-2.3.4/ and I still got same error. |
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| 04:28.37 | pyJosh | deadcat: dang, i think the net install cd is going to work :) |
| 04:28.51 | pyJosh | it loaded fine |
| 04:29.00 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, how are you at figuring out python errors? |
| 04:29.02 | Henning | I used the netinstall for sarge here the other day |
| 04:29.03 | kingsley_ | nailbiter: Now I just need to find where ffmpeg is documented. |
| 04:29.05 | nailbiter | tweak: "you must configure in a separate build directory"? |
| 04:29.11 | pyJosh | bluefox83: pretty good |
| 04:29.20 | Henning | I was impressed. It was really neat compared to the last time I used it (half a year ago or so) |
| 04:29.25 | nailbiter | kingsley_: try ffmpeg.org, or the HTML documentation in /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg. :) |
| 04:29.34 | bluefox83 | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith' <--what does that mean? |
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| 04:30.08 | nailbiter | tweak: ok. try creating a separate build directory then. :) say, "mkdir /tmp/build; cd /tmp/build; /tmp/glibc-2.3.4/configure && make" |
| 04:30.21 | pyJosh | can you paste the code around that area, and the full traceback to http://rafb/paste |
| 04:30.22 | Henning | A good set of premade devices in /dev, support for raid, support for lvm, and other nice stuff :) |
| 04:31.21 | kingsley_ | nailbiter: FYI, there's no html in my /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg. I installed debian's package. |
| 04:31.34 | kingsley_ | nailbiter: But I think I found it online. |
| 04:32.00 | tarheelcoxn | anybody know why I can't click using the touchpad on my ThinkPad? |
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| 04:32.13 | tarheelcoxn | I think I lost that when I moved to kernel 2.6.6 |
| 04:32.27 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, ok i pasted it.. |
| 04:32.27 | tarheelcoxn | but I don't know what changed to make me lose it |
| 04:32.40 | c4_ | Please enter the video card's bus identifier? |
| 04:32.53 | c4_ | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5838? |
| 04:33.09 | c4_ | do i have to put 00:01.0 ? |
| 04:33.24 | tweak | nailbiter ok I think its working now. Its checking for everything. |
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| 04:34.38 | pyJosh | bluefox83: i need the link |
| 04:34.55 | bluefox83 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CJxdxV69.html |
| 04:35.18 | tweak | nailbiter It gave me an error at the end asking if I want to "linuxthready" add on. Without it it will be incompatible with normal GNU/Linux systems. Should I add the --disable-sanity-checks? |
| 04:35.22 | c4_ | dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ask me for |
| 04:35.34 | c4_ | card's bus identifier? |
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| 04:35.48 | nailbiter | tweak: yes, enable the linuxthreads add-on. :) |
| 04:35.56 | pyJosh | bluefox83: ok, that means that the var path = None |
| 04:36.09 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, so uhm..how do i fix it? |
| 04:36.10 | pyJosh | that's what NoneType means |
| 04:36.19 | tweak | nailbiter so configure --disable-sanity-checks && make right? |
| 04:37.04 | nailbiter | tweak: hm, lemme have a look |
| 04:37.11 | pyJosh | bluefox83: well, it looks like it hasn't been initialized, i'd have to see the source for that to figure out why it's doing that |
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| 04:37.32 | pyJosh | lol, sorry |
| 04:37.47 | pyJosh | bluefox83: you might want to check the #python channel |
| 04:37.54 | bluefox83 | it looks to me like someone forgot to tell it what path.endswith is |
| 04:38.23 | pyJosh | well, you can't call endswith() on a var that is None |
| 04:38.39 | bluefox83 | it's / |
| 04:38.47 | pyJosh | something didn't happen like it should have |
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| 04:39.02 | pyJosh | ok, the object path i mean |
| 04:39.03 | tweak | nailbiter I did it and it seems like its fine so far. |
| 04:39.03 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 04:39.06 | tweak | hi |
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| 04:39.36 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, are you familiar with narval, personal assistant ? |
| 04:39.51 | pyJosh | bluefox83: that's a string function i believe, all it does is return True of False based if the last char in the string is '/' |
| 04:39.58 | pyJosh | bluefox83: no, i'm not |
| 04:40.07 | pyJosh | that var isn't getting initialized somewhere |
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| 04:40.22 | elPepo | I want upload my site (im using drupal) and I wanna know wich Hosting server have to use? I saw brinkster/PROFESSIONAL but it use win2003 |
| 04:40.42 | DeaLER34 | How do you get a slave nameserver to update from the master via the command line? |
| 04:40.52 | nailbiter | tweak: installing a glibc without linuxthreads will probably break your system. :) |
| 04:40.53 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, it's an AI bot written in perl and can use all sorts of modules to help you do things like check your e-mail, update websites, keep track of your music..and so on |
| 04:41.07 | nailbiter | tweak: hm -- did you download the linuxthreads tarball as well? it's actually distributed separately |
| 04:41.20 | tweak | nailbiter no I didnt..... |
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| 04:41.52 | pyJosh | bluefox83: is this a command line thing you're running? |
| 04:41.54 | tweak | should I stop it? Its been flinging text arcross the screen for 2 mins now.. |
| 04:42.25 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, trying to launch the AI bot via command prompt, yes |
| 04:42.31 | nailbiter | tweak: yah, stop it. :) it'll be the glibc-linuxthreads-2.3.4.tar.bz2 file on the gnu mirror |
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| 04:42.38 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, it's trying to set it's home directory |
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| 04:42.49 | tweak | nailbiter is there now way it can workt without that file? |
| 04:42.58 | tweak | will there be any problem stopping it? |
| 04:44.16 | nailbiter | tweak: no, there won't be a problem. just run 'make distclean' to clean up the stopped build |
| 04:44.33 | pyJosh | bluefox83: is there a config file? or command line arg you need to use? |
| 04:44.51 | tweak | ok again thanks tons nailbiter, your very nice for helping me. |
| 04:45.01 | nailbiter | tweak: just unpack the linuxthreads tarball into the glibc-2.3.4 directory, then run 'configure --prefix=/ --enable-add-ons && make' to build |
| 04:45.07 | pyJosh | i'm going the net install of sarge, and the grub install is failing, i tried (hd0,0) and /dev/hda1, neither worked |
| 04:45.13 | pyJosh | i'm doing* |
| 04:45.27 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, i'm spoce to use narval --create-home /path/to/it's/home but it keeps giving me that wierd error |
| 04:45.50 | tweak | nailbiter is that to build the glibc and linuxthreads? or just the linux threads? |
| 04:45.53 | pyJosh | try: narval --create-home '/path/to/home' |
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| 04:46.24 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, same result :( |
| 04:46.39 | pyJosh | what's the path? |
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| 04:46.49 | bluefox83 | /home/bluefox/.narval |
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| 04:47.38 | pyJosh | is .narval a directory? |
| 04:47.50 | bluefox83 | yup |
| 04:48.00 | pyJosh | try putting a / at the end |
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| 04:50.02 | tweak | nailbiter is this ok? linuxthreads disabled because nptl add-on is also in use |
| 04:50.56 | bluefox83 | bah! |
| 04:51.04 | bluefox83 | i had to make all the sub directories..how lame is that.. |
| 04:51.04 | pyJosh | bluefox83: ? |
| 04:51.13 | pyJosh | very |
| 04:51.15 | bluefox83 | i got it.. |
| 04:51.18 | pyJosh | sweet |
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| 04:51.26 | bluefox83 | but whoever wrote the installer didn't know wtf they were doin |
| 04:51.39 | pyJosh | bluefox83: you know much about installing debian? |
| 04:52.03 | bluefox83 | pyJosh, i installed it like..4 times..i should know a little, why? |
| 04:52.10 | bluefox83 | need help? |
| 04:52.13 | pyJosh | yes |
| 04:52.15 | pyJosh | :) |
| 04:52.17 | bluefox83 | whats the problem? |
| 04:52.23 | pyJosh | installing grub |
| 04:52.27 | bluefox83 | hrm.. |
| 04:52.37 | pyJosh | i tried to install to (hd0,0) and /dev/hda1, neither worked |
| 04:52.46 | karsten_ | Any list managers people would recommend other than Mailman? |
| 04:52.53 | karsten_ | pyJosh: How |
| 04:53.00 | bluefox83 | and your debian installation is on /dev/hda1? |
| 04:53.00 | karsten_ | pyJosh: How'd it fail? |
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| 04:53.19 | pyJosh | karsten_: i'll get the error, brb |
| 04:53.39 | karsten | pyJosh: Error codes matter. |
| 04:53.53 | nailbiter | tweak: well, either nptl (a newer threading method) or linuxthreads is ok. :) |
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| 04:54.11 | takatumi | ntpdate syncs with the servers without errors, but my time is off by exactly 7 minutes, what could be wrong? |
| 04:54.26 | tweak | nailbiter ok :0) |
| 04:54.28 | pyJosh | unable to install grub to (hd0,0) |
| 04:54.44 | takatumi | pyJosh: is it mounted? |
| 04:54.44 | pyJosh | karsten: i chose not on the mbr |
| 04:54.57 | karsten | pyJosh: Why not? dual-boot? |
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| 04:55.01 | Soundzor | hey, what's a good movie player for debian? right now I'm using the default totem. I don't know what's what in nix so is that the norm or..? |
| 04:55.04 | pyJosh | takatumi: probably not, where can i do that? |
| 04:55.10 | pyJosh | karsten: i'd like the option |
| 04:55.23 | pyJosh | i'm used to doing manual grub installs |
| 04:55.40 | nailbiter | tweak: anyway the build will take awhile (a whole day on my P-II desktop) -- once it's finished, run 'make install' to actually copy the new glibc into place |
| 04:55.40 | karsten | pyJosh: You've got it. w/ dual boot, you have GRUB on MBR and point to other OS either directly or via a chainloader. |
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| 04:55.56 | karsten | pyJosh: Do you currently have another OS on the system? |
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| 04:56.19 | pyJosh | karsten: no, but i'd like grub on /dev/hda1, that's my /boot |
| 04:56.28 | karsten | pyJosh: Doesn't matter. |
| 04:56.35 | karsten | pyJosh: Do yourself a favor and install to mbr |
| 04:56.40 | pyJosh | lol |
| 04:56.50 | pyJosh | how would i mount /dev/hda1 during the install? |
| 04:56.57 | karsten | pyJosh: Pardon? |
| 04:57.09 | karsten | pyJosh: 'mount -t <fs> /dev/hda1 /<mountpoint> |
| 04:57.24 | Vme | how does /proc/modules get created? |
| 04:57.29 | pyJosh | karsten: it's a gui like installer though |
| 04:57.37 | karsten | Vme: it's a kernel feature. |
| 04:57.42 | nailbiter | Vme: it's not a real file, and hence is never 'created'. :) |
| 04:57.46 | takatumi | pyJosh: is it debian? |
| 04:57.53 | pyJosh | takatumi: yes |
| 04:57.56 | karsten | Vme: It's a virtual fileystem, it doesn't exist on disk. It's a file-based interface to kernel state. |
| 04:57.59 | nailbiter | Vme: the files in /proc represent internal kernel data structures |
| 04:58.12 | karsten | pyJosh: <alt><F2> |
| 04:58.26 | takatumi | pyJosh: debian has no gui installer.(curses based yes) |
| 04:58.33 | karsten | pyJosh: GUI or character-graphics? |
| 04:58.42 | karsten | pyJosh: If full GUI, <ctrl><alt><F2> |
| 04:58.51 | pyJosh | takatumi: character... that's why i said "gui like", didn't know what to call it |
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| 04:59.14 | Vme | is there somewhere you can find out what files a package changes when you apt-get install it? |
| 04:59.24 | pyJosh | i'll give that a try here |
| 04:59.26 | risky | Soundzor, I think you'll be fine with totem-xine and the w32 codecs |
| 04:59.31 | takatumi | Vme: dpkg -L <package> |
| 04:59.34 | karsten | Vme: You can list the files in a package. |
| 04:59.44 | tweak | nailbiter hehe this is taking for ever. Is glibc something major imporant? |
| 04:59.44 | Soundzor | risky, cool, thanks |
| 04:59.46 | takatumi | that won't show you what it's changed though. |
| 04:59.51 | Vme | yea |
| 04:59.54 | Vme | i know |
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| 05:00.29 | takatumi | Vme: what are you looking for? |
| 05:00.31 | risky | Soundzor, you might wanna check out mplayer, but I'm guessing you're using gnome and the interface will be a bit diferent |
| 05:00.39 | Soundzor | risky, Yeah, gnome |
| 05:00.39 | nailbiter | tweak: almost every program on your system relies on glibc. it's the most basic library there is |
| 05:00.52 | tweak | wow ok scary then. |
| 05:01.11 | karsten | Vme: The files in the package will be changed. |
| 05:01.14 | nailbiter | tweak: so .. if you clobber glibc, your system becomes immediately unusable. :) even 'ls' will fail to start then |
| 05:01.22 | karsten | nailbiter: Not sash ;-) |
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| 05:01.31 | nailbiter | karsten: that's a happy exception ;-) |
| 05:01.31 | takatumi | nobody else has my 7 minute offset date problem? (pebkac then) |
| 05:01.41 | Vme | well, like i was saying earlier, I installed USBMGR and it screwed up some modules from loading...trying to figure out what it changed. |
| 05:01.43 | karsten | nailbiter: Quite. |
| 05:02.02 | pyJosh | ok, so, i'm looking at what's mounted, currently nothing's mounted on /dev/hda3, which is my / root, but there is a / on tmpfs, is that the current installation that's going on? |
| 05:02.03 | DeaLER34 | should the dhcp.lease file have duplicate entries but with a differnet time in the file? |
| 05:02.16 | takatumi | nailbiter: have you compiled 3.4 on you debian system? |
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| 05:02.21 | takatumi | s/you/your |
| 05:02.27 | Soundzor | Is there a way to just apt-get install new kernels? I thought there was one? Rather than compile one yourself? For example, if I wanted to go up from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 05:02.53 | nailbiter | takatumi: gcc-3.4? or glibc 2.3.4? |
| 05:02.58 | takatumi | Soundzor: apt-cache search kernel-image; apt-get install kernel-image-blah |
| 05:03.04 | shingouz | Soundzor apt-get install kernel-image-<version> |
| 05:03.05 | Soundzor | takatumi, thank you |
| 05:03.19 | takatumi | glibc 2.3.4 |
| 05:03.22 | Soundzor | I was apt-cache searching linux-kernel-2.6 :-/ |
| 05:03.34 | shingouz | :) |
| 05:03.47 | nailbiter | takatumi: nope. :) i've had to replace my running glibc one before, though, to get a source patch in |
| 05:04.07 | nailbiter | takatumi: lesson #1 -- never use 'cp' to copy shared libraries into place. :) |
| 05:04.44 | takatumi | nailbiter: is that what tweak was tweaking? :) |
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| 05:05.17 | nailbiter | takatumi: he's still building glibc, i think. :) let's see what "make install" does afterward |
| 05:05.48 | takatumi | nailbiter: that's why I popped the question, uncharted waters :) |
| 05:06.20 | takatumi | but why is he even trying this? |
| 05:06.59 | tweak | nailbiter hehe ok well im going to go to bed this is taking for ever. Thanks for all your help, maybe it will be done by morning. |
| 05:07.26 | nailbiter | takatumi: he has an application which requires glibc-2.3.4. i can't think of any specific patch or feature that would require it though |
| 05:07.30 | nailbiter | tweak: good luck :) |
| 05:07.36 | takatumi | tweak: you should answer that question before you go to sleep. |
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| 05:07.53 | tweak | answer what questions? |
| 05:08.13 | takatumi | why are you compiling glibc-2.3.4 |
| 05:08.23 | tweak | for a program called plesk. |
| 05:08.36 | tweak | requires it. Wont install unless it exists. |
| 05:09.03 | tweak | Im using a installer for suse, (I guess suse has 2.3.4) so thats why I have to get it on here. There is no premade installer for debian. |
| 05:09.16 | nailbiter | tweak: plesk is a virtual-hosting system? |
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| 05:09.27 | c4_ | how do i make rendering to work? |
| 05:09.35 | takatumi | tweak: installer for what? |
| 05:09.41 | tweak | nailbiter its a gui interface like cpanel and such. |
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| 05:09.52 | nailbiter | tweak: ah, ok. :) |
| 05:10.40 | tweak | takatiumi for plesk. |
| 05:10.56 | nailbiter | c4_: what sort of rendering? ray-tracing? are you looking for a ray-tracer? |
| 05:11.12 | Pumpkin_Pie | I like big pies and I cannot lie.. you other brothers cant deny |
| 05:11.13 | takatumi | tweak: no source for plesk available? (compiling that instead of glibc might have been a better option) |
| 05:11.38 | tweak | takatumi its a program you have to pay for. (yes I tried apt-cache search |
| 05:11.43 | takatumi | tweak: anyway goodnight and good luck :) |
| 05:11.47 | pyJosh | takatumi: i just put it on the mbr for now :( |
| 05:12.02 | takatumi | pyJosh: that's the right approach. |
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| 05:12.21 | c4_ | nailbiter: glxinfo rendering: NO |
| 05:12.23 | Obligatory | Any python programmers around who can help a novice with what's probably a simple bug? |
| 05:12.25 | pyJosh | why's that better as opposed to a boot partition? |
| 05:12.37 | nailbiter | c4_: which video card? |
| 05:12.37 | Soundzor | Obligatory, #python ? |
| 05:12.41 | pyJosh | Obligatory: what is it? |
| 05:12.46 | c4_ | nailbiter: glxinfo, direct rendering: NO |
| 05:13.04 | Pumpkin_Pie | web hosting control panels are retarded! stop using these "proprietary" control panels that charge you per user even sometimes.. You know who you are |
| 05:13.17 | takatumi | pyJosh: why do you need it installed on a boot partition? |
| 05:13.32 | Obligatory | pyJosh: I keep getting this error " File "./apt-rsync.ac.py", line 100 |
| 05:13.33 | Obligatory | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.33 | Obligatory | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.33 | Obligatory | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 05:13.33 | Obligatory | " |
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| 05:13.34 | Pumpkin_Pie | use web//cp, free open source web hosting control panel |
| 05:13.38 | pyJosh | takatumi: i don't, i just want to know the major difference? |
| 05:14.03 | nailbiter | c4_: hm, ATI Radeon? no idea, i'm afraid. :-/ |
| 05:14.10 | tweak | pumpkin_pie !!!! apt-get install what for it?? |
| 05:14.12 | pyJosh | lol, booted |
| 05:14.20 | takatumi | pyJosh: what partition is your boot on? |
| 05:14.32 | c4_ | nailbiter: ati radeon 9100 igp (integrated graphic p?), lspci PCI bridge: ... 5838 VGA...5834 |
| 05:14.43 | pyJosh | takatumi: /dev/hda1 |
| 05:14.44 | tweak | pumpkin pie is it good? Can it add users and everything? |
| 05:14.57 | pyJosh | takatumi: root is /dev/hda3, swap /dev/hda2 |
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| 05:15.44 | Pumpkin_Pie | tweak: http://www.web-cp.net/ |
| 05:15.48 | nailbiter | c4_: you might have to install proprietary drivers to get good 3D performance on that card. try http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 05:15.58 | Bystander | I was 'Obligatory', now I'm 'Bystander'. Sorry about the pasting... |
| 05:16.26 | c4_ | nailbiter: fglrx do not support IGPs |
| 05:16.27 | takatumi | pyJosh: grub-install [OPTION] install_device (that's from the man page, you install it to the device not the drive. |
| 05:16.37 | c4_ | nailbiter: only 2D |
| 05:16.46 | takatumi | s/\./\) |
| 05:16.49 | Bystander | Don't know how '#flooding' works, yet... |
| 05:17.21 | pyJosh | takatumi: wouldn't (hd0,0) but /dev/hda1 though? |
| 05:17.22 | nvz | Bystander: you dont have to change your nick. |
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| 05:17.26 | nailbiter | c4_: i can't help any further beyond pointing out that site; never used ATI video hardware before. :) |
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| 05:17.39 | jair_11 | guys how could I assign a static IP address in inux? |
| 05:17.43 | nvz | Bystander: that was an auto kick by an eggdrop bot who coulndt care any less about your nick or apologies |
| 05:17.52 | jair_11 | I need to run the command : |
| 05:17.58 | takatumi | c4_: xorg gives native DRI for my radeon IGP340 |
| 05:18.01 | nailbiter | jair_11: edit /etc/network/interfaces. there's a nice example of how to do this in the interfaces(5) manual page |
| 05:18.03 | jair_11 | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:18.04 | stew | jair_11: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 05:18.17 | Bystander | nvz: thanx for the tip. |
| 05:18.19 | jair_11 | then ifconfig eth0 netmask |
| 05:18.20 | nvz | Bystander: #flood is a channel in which flooding is more acceptable. see also pastebin.com, and give people your pastebin url when you have a question |
| 05:18.27 | jair_11 | 255.255.255.0. |
| 05:18.33 | takatumi | pyJosh: (hd0,0) is hda1, the right one would be (hd0). |
| 05:18.38 | nailbiter | jair_11: alternately, you can install 'etherconf' if you want to configure it through a colourful menu |
| 05:18.59 | pyJosh | takatumi: so (hd0) would be the mbr then, right? 'cause that's what it installed to |
| 05:19.20 | takatumi | pyJosh: what exactly is your problem now? |
| 05:19.31 | tweak | pumpkin pie I cant seem to find the apt-get for the web-cp |
| 05:19.36 | pyJosh | takatumi: don't have one, just a question |
| 05:19.43 | Bystander | nvz: does X-Chat have a pastebin? |
| 05:19.47 | nvz | jair_11: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:19.53 | takatumi | pyJosh: info grub is your friend. |
| 05:19.58 | nvz | Bystander: pastebin.com its a freakin website :P |
| 05:20.06 | c4_ | takatumi: but no packages ok? |
| 05:20.10 | nvz | Bystander: you paste on their site, they give you a url to the paste. |
| 05:20.11 | jair_11 | nailbiter: thank you |
| 05:20.20 | nvz | Bystander: it has nothing to do with your IRC client. |
| 05:20.30 | jair_11 | other people not to familiar with the command konsole will prefer that one |
| 05:20.32 | takatumi | c4_: grab the ones from ubuntu probably. |
| 05:20.40 | Bystander | nvz: pity, wouldn't be a bad irc client feature... |
| 05:21.00 | takatumi | !paster |
| 05:21.00 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 05:21.07 | pyJosh | takatumi: cool |
| 05:21.11 | c4_ | takatumi: where? |
| 05:21.12 | nailbiter | tweak: i don't think it's packaged in debian. you can try downloading it from www.web-cp.net, though |
| 05:21.25 | tweak | oh ok. |
| 05:21.26 | cafuego | yes, Xorg natively supports my IGP320 too. |
| 05:21.27 | tweak | will do. |
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| 05:21.53 | takatumi | c4_: search the debian-user lists, there was a thread last week. |
| 05:21.58 | c4_ | dpkg rules |
| 05:21.58 | dpkg | rules is, like, 1) Don't ask to ask. Just say your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 05:22.41 | nvz | Bystander: you are using X-Chat, you wouldnt know a featured client if it smacked you in the face : |
| 05:22.45 | nvz | p |
| 05:22.47 | c4_ | takatumi: im too lost where are all that things? |
| 05:23.11 | takatumi | that should be "Just state" instead of "Just ask". |
| 05:23.38 | takatumi | no bot foo to meddle with factoids. |
| 05:23.38 | nailbiter | Bystander: pastebin isn't a feature of your IRC client -- it's a web-based paste service -- http://pastebin.com |
| 05:24.34 | takatumi | err "Just say" |
| 05:24.37 | nvz | takatumi: no bot foo would work. because "Just ask" is not in that factoid anyhow/ |
| 05:24.48 | takatumi | !pal nvz |
| 05:25.04 | nvz | dpkg rules =~ s/Just say/Just state/ |
| 05:25.05 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 05:25.22 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite takatumi |
| 05:25.30 | takatumi | !smitesmite nvz |
| 05:25.47 | shingouz | that was a new one... |
| 05:26.06 | c4_ | smiters is burns employ? |
| 05:26.21 | cafuego | c4_: what? |
| 05:26.30 | c4_ | nothing nothig |
| 05:26.37 | nailbiter | c4_: that's "Smithers". a smiter is someone who smites. to be smitten is to be smited. |
| 05:26.40 | takatumi | c4_: lists.debian.org |
| 05:26.57 | c4_ | takatumi: cool! |
| 05:27.47 | Bystander | nvz: I'll take that as a "no" re: X-chat. Off to mess with those pastebin sites... |
| 05:28.06 | michal_ | anyone here understand how xen 2.0 works? i either have a screwed up kernel patch or I need a little help understanding :/ |
| 05:28.26 | michal_ | is the dom0 kernel supposed to be lacking almost all drivers? |
| 05:28.43 | cafuego | Hmm. "By posting to #debian you grant cafuego the perprtual, irrevocable right to reproduce, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium." |
| 05:28.52 | reNegad3 | has anyone successfully been able to transfer music to the shuffle iPod and listen to it using gtk-pod?? |
| 05:29.03 | nvz | michal_: irc.oftc.net #xen |
| 05:29.12 | michal_ | nvz: thanks |
| 05:30.34 | nvz | s/rprt/rpet/ |
| 05:30.48 | reNegad3 | dpkg ipod |
| 05:30.48 | dpkg | from memory, ipod is a purty silver and white box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 05:30.58 | paster | "Bystander" at 207.7.198.19 pasted "python question about variable assignment" (25 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/340 |
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| 05:31.59 | nvz | I wasnt aware we had a paste bot |
| 05:32.08 | cafuego | dpkg, ipod =~ s/white/white or black/ |
| 05:32.08 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 05:32.27 | Bystander | I think that paste worked.. |
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| 05:33.15 | Bystander | ANYWAY, for pythoners: why is "J=1" an error? |
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| 05:34.55 | nailbiter | Bystander: by itself, it's not. but python is whitespace-sensitive -- just make sure 'J = 1' is lined up with the 'print COMMAND' in the previous line |
| 05:34.56 | valdyn | Bystander: it isnt |
| 05:35.04 | reNegad3 | hrmm I have mounted the ipod and am using gtkpod, so its all working and recognised, but I get this error "Could not open file "/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB" for writing." |
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| 05:35.33 | Bystander | nailbiter: Thanks -- I will test that now. |
| 05:35.35 | DebUser | Hello |
| 05:35.53 | reNegad3 | I used 'mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/ipod -o umask=022' to mount the shuffle ipod |
| 05:35.54 | DebUser | Is there any simple way of removing everything, except for the Debian base? |
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| 05:36.27 | nvz | DebUser: yeah put in a Debian-Installer cd, and refromate the partitions and Install the base system |
| 05:36.39 | takatumi | c4_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg00917.html (read that whole thread before you start doing anything) |
| 05:36.59 | c4_ | takatumi: ok |
| 05:37.09 | c4_ | takatumi: im downloading the sources |
| 05:37.15 | DebUser | nvz: I was hoping you wouldn't say that :( I have everything the way I like it on the system |
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| 05:37.37 | nvz | DebUser: then you certainly don't want to remove everything but the base system |
| 05:37.38 | cafuego | DebUser: there's no reason you can't backup /etc |
| 05:37.42 | calin | there's a package I can use to remove a package and everything related to it that it depends on or whatever, anyone know what this is? |
| 05:37.54 | takatumi | cafuego: did you compile Xorg? |
| 05:37.54 | cafuego | calin: debfoster |
| 05:37.57 | Bystander | nailbiter: moved it forward a tab, below the 'print', but it's still the same error. |
| 05:37.57 | calin | thank you |
| 05:38.02 | cafuego | takatumi: No, I run Ubuntu |
| 05:38.10 | takatumi | cafuego: ah. |
| 05:38.12 | nailbiter | DebUser: well, you can use 'dpkg-awk' to fetch a list of all but the base packages |
| 05:38.16 | nvz | DebUser: because the base system doesnt contain your personal configurations, or the programs they configure |
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| 05:39.11 | c4_ | takatumi: when can i spect .deb files with X.org? |
| 05:39.46 | nailbiter | DebUser: try -- dpkg-awk 'Priority:(extra|optional)' Status:installed -- Package | awk '/Package:/ { print $2 }' | xargs |
| 05:39.49 | cafuego | c4_: When Etch is available. |
| 05:39.56 | nvz | c4_: you can't spect anything free you don't do yourself |
| 05:40.02 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me? I'm trying to apt-get transcode, but it says Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 but it is not installable E: Broken Packages |
| 05:40.06 | c4_ | what is Etch? |
| 05:40.10 | nvz | especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
| 05:40.14 | takatumi | c4_: what I have done is installed the Ubuntu xorg.deb on my debian sid system, it works well, but I don't think you should go that route. |
| 05:40.23 | DebUser | c4_: , it'll be the next "testing" after sarge |
| 05:40.56 | DebUser | !tell c4_ about etch |
| 05:41.06 | c4_ | nvz: i should say fuck you? |
| 05:41.19 | nvz | c4_: you already did. |
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| 05:41.35 | valdyn | DebUser: trick yourself into getting those packages off debian.linux-systeme.de |
| 05:41.51 | tag | I have this CD with unreadable sectors...how can I get all possible information off the disk? |
| 05:41.52 | nvz | you cannot expect anything in the FOSS world that you aren't willing to work at. |
| 05:42.01 | c4_ | imagine, me doing the debs! i would bring more problems with that than solutions |
| 05:42.28 | idealbsd | which is the better method to backup running debian system, bootcd,multicd,cp|afio or make a livecd based on cloop? |
| 05:42.40 | Bystander | nailbiter: Eureka! It turned out to be a 'tab' versus 'space' problem. In 'gedit' it "looked" aligned, but it wasn't. |
| 05:42.41 | valdyn | c4_: hah, nevermind, they are *really* removed/offline now |
| 05:42.45 | tag | when I try to copy the data, the corrupt files simply cause errors |
| 05:42.51 | c4_ | nvz: you talk like bush |
| 05:43.07 | tag | I want to retrieve even the incomplete files if possible |
| 05:43.19 | takatumi | !nailbiter++ |
| 05:43.19 | Bystander | Maybe 'python' needs a better error message for space alignment... |
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| 05:43.57 | nvz | c4_: You talk like a ig'nent yinzer, and use similies like a bigot |
| 05:44.36 | Bystander | tag: what are you using to copy the bad CD? |
| 05:44.45 | tag | cp ? |
| 05:44.58 | valdyn | Bystander: or C for ; , someone who knows each will find those errors quickly, thats not an issue really |
| 05:45.02 | takatumi | dpkg: qotd234 is nvz | especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
| 05:45.02 | dpkg | takatumi: okay |
| 05:45.03 | takatumi | 08:47:18 takatumi | c4_: what I have done is installed the Ubuntu xorg.deb on my debian sid system, it |
| 05:45.05 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.10 | Bystander | tag: and you want the whole thing, or just particular files? |
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| 05:45.23 | takatumi | damn I suck. |
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| 05:45.34 | tag | Bystander: The whole thing, I just want the most data possible |
| 05:45.40 | takatumi | !qotd234 |
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| 05:45.52 | takatumi | :( |
| 05:46.26 | Bystander | tag: for the whole thing, use 'cdparanoia', or one of its many front-ends. |
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| 05:46.33 | valdyn | tag: you can try dd on your cd device, doesnt mean you'll get "files" off it though,just raw data |
| 05:46.40 | c4_ | nvz: some days i found frustrated people like you that spend the time telling people like me what i should do with my life, i care a fig what you have to say to me man. if you have the option of /ignore c4_ all, but you don't do that is because something is wrong with you, so don't lose your time with such a bad guy like me |
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| 05:46.57 | webchat4420 | quien habla espańol? |
| 05:47.03 | shingouz | !es |
| 05:47.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:47.03 | nvz | takatumi: No worries. You are quoting me being a hypocrite. |
| 05:47.11 | c4_ | webchat4420: calla! |
| 05:47.18 | c4_ | webchat4420: yo, no repitas |
| 05:47.18 | tag | Bystander: cdparanoia is for audio cds though, no? |
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| 05:47.40 | c4_ | webchat4420: vamos a otro canal #spanish? |
| 05:47.46 | Bystander | tag: CD data is data... |
| 05:47.47 | tag | valdyn: well that might work |
| 05:47.48 | idealbsd | tag, cdrdao |
| 05:48.18 | Bystander | tag: I mean, you said the whole CD... |
| 05:49.41 | cafuego | Why do those tards alwats repeata s well? |
| 05:49.41 | webchat4420 | quien sabe algo de yum? |
| 05:49.49 | cafuego | webchat4420: /j #debian-es |
| 05:49.56 | cafuego | !tell webchat4420 -about repeat |
| 05:51.44 | tag | if I do dd if=/my/cdrom/device of=somethin -> Isn't there a way I can mount that, like the loop device or something? |
| 05:51.45 | webchat4420 | how install dependences with Yum,, ? |
| 05:51.50 | takatumi | nvz: don't get upset dude, I like you, this just sounded funny "nvz | especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly" it should be "too"" :P |
| 05:51.58 | risky | CoƱo que te vayas webchat4420 a #debian-e |
| 05:52.04 | nvz | takatumi: no I understand :P |
| 05:52.05 | valdyn | tag: sure you can mount that |
| 05:52.08 | cafuego | webchat4420: This is #debian. |
| 05:52.16 | risky | webchat4420, debian-es |
| 05:52.17 | shingouz | webchat4420 yum is not in debian at all, we do not know how to use it |
| 05:52.20 | cafuego | I'm pretty sure Yum isn't a debian tool. |
| 05:52.22 | nailbiter | takatumi: yes. just add a '-o loop' when you're mounting the file. |
| 05:52.26 | nailbiter | tag: ^^ |
| 05:52.28 | idealbsd | how to move data from one disk to another with dd? |
| 05:52.33 | nailbiter | takatumi: sorry. :) |
| 05:52.37 | takatumi | nailbiter: Yes Sirr :) |
| 05:52.51 | valdyn | tag: doesnt mean it will create a useful mountalbe image though off a broken cdrom, its not magic.. |
| 05:53.02 | nailbiter | idealbsd: well, you'd be making a disk image with 'dd'. :) did you want to do a file-by-file copy instead of a block-by-block copy? |
| 05:53.10 | tag | yeah |
| 05:53.11 | tag | it didn't |
| 05:53.12 | DebUser | I'm trying to setup a printer under Debian. Is there a printer server installed by default, or do I have to install one? |
| 05:53.16 | shingouz | idealbsd dd if=/dev/one of=/dev/two ...... man dd |
| 05:53.16 | tag | in fact, it didn't make it too far through the cdrom |
| 05:53.37 | cafuego | DebUser: install cupsys and cupsys-bsd, then point your webbrowser at http://localhost:631/ |
| 05:53.42 | idealbsd | nailbiter, thanks a lot ;) |
| 05:53.45 | nailbiter | DebUser: well, 'cupsys' is a popular printer server. just install that, plus 'cupsys-bsd' (to get a /usr/bin/lpr wrapper) |
| 05:53.51 | valdyn | DebUser: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd and look at what gets recommended, apt-cache show <package> |
| 05:53.51 | DebUser | thanks cafuego |
| 05:53.54 | m0rbid_ | IM having a problem with lilo, when I reboot all it say is LI, no according to /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.common.problems.. it might be that lba32 wasnt defined, but indeed it is, so I ran (in /usr/lib/lilo/) make -f Makefile.floppy and I get an error: make: *** No rule to make target `disk.com', needed by `floppy'. Stop. Any ideas? |
| 05:54.33 | cafuego | DebUser: apt may recommend some additonal packages full of drivers, if they look like your printer might need 'em, install them too. |
| 05:54.39 | tag | this is awful |
| 05:54.50 | tag | its mpeg data |
| 05:54.55 | tag | hwo the hell am I gonna do this |
| 05:54.56 | nailbiter | DebUser: also, you can configure cupsys through its built-in web interface. just point your browser at http://localhost:631/ |
| 05:55.22 | idealbsd | shingouz, then the disks will become same size after dd though they don't in fact? |
| 05:55.30 | valdyn | tag: sensitive data _just_ on ony cdrom is awfully dangerous =/ |
| 05:55.36 | valdyn | tag: sensitive data _just_ on one cdrom is awfully dangerous =/ |
| 05:55.42 | tag | yeah well |
| 05:55.54 | tag | the camera happens to only write to a cdrom |
| 05:55.57 | nailbiter | idealbsd: if the target block device is larger, you'll get a padding of empty space at the end. if it's smaller, your filesystem will be truncated (and probably unuseable) |
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| 05:56.05 | shingouz | idealbsd yes. unless you really need a byte by byte copy of the disk you shoudl consider using something else like cp rsync or tar |
| 05:56.05 | tag | it was just from this morning |
| 05:56.07 | tag | :-( |
| 05:56.10 | takatumi | nailbiter: I still have this alias :) "alias nailterm='uxterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1'" |
| 05:56.14 | mathieu | anyone here view pictures on a palm pilot loaded from linux ? |
| 05:56.23 | nailbiter | takatumi: i've been immortalised! ;-) |
| 05:56.41 | cafuego | takatumi: Doesn't uxterm honour .Xresources? |
| 05:57.01 | takatumi | cafuego: ask nailbiter, he's the pro. :) |
| 05:57.25 | shingouz | mathieu should be doable with jpilot as long as the pics are in the correct format for the palm to actually understand them |
| 05:57.38 | Bystander | tag: I'm still looking up stuff... |
| 05:57.43 | nvz | I just don't have the energy for this stuff anymore |
| 05:57.48 | idealbsd | shingouz, is partimage ok? |
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| 05:57.50 | mathieu | shiner840: that is the problem |
| 05:58.07 | shingouz | idealbsd what are you trying to accomplish there in the first pace? |
| 05:58.07 | idealbsd | nailbiter, thanks ^_^ |
| 05:58.12 | mathieu | shiner840: i can't find the format the the apps want |
| 05:58.32 | nailbiter | idealbsd: what filesystem is it? reiserfs? ext3? |
| 05:58.34 | shingouz | mathieu what is the problem? you cannot figure out what format the pics should be in? |
| 05:59.04 | mathieu | shingouz yes that is the problem |
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| 05:59.23 | idealbsd | shingouz, thanks a lot, i use afio before |
| 05:59.24 | mathieu | shingouz and i'm stubbornly refusing to use the mac that is 3 feet away from me |
| 05:59.30 | shingouz | mathieu jpg might be a good format to try unless google can tell you what it should be |
| 05:59.34 | DebUser | I have a USB printer, and am required to input a location for it. How can I "probe" my USB devices to see where my USB printer is located? |
| 06:00.01 | valdyn | DebUser: lsusb but uh, i doubt that that should be required |
| 06:00.07 | shingouz | idealbsd tar might be what you are actually after here |
| 06:00.09 | maher | DebUser: location probably means "under the bed" or something |
| 06:00.16 | DebUser | Oh :P |
| 06:00.25 | pyJosh | where do i find a config file for eth? |
| 06:00.32 | maher | DebUser: what sort of printer |
| 06:00.37 | cafuego | No, uxterm completely ignores Xresources |
| 06:00.38 | idealbsd | nailbiter, almost all them, partion of boot is ext3 , / reserifs, /home xfs :) |
| 06:00.42 | valdyn | !faq pyJosh |
| 06:00.42 | dpkg | pyJosh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:00.51 | pyJosh | thanks |
| 06:01.00 | valdyn | pyJosh: and also man interfaces |
| 06:01.06 | Tweak`TG-Owner | how can I see what kernel im running. Isnt it like something uvv -a ? |
| 06:01.17 | cafuego | Tweak`TG-Owner: uname -a |
| 06:01.20 | shingouz | idealbsd you trying to back up a system or transfer it onto another computer, is that it? |
| 06:01.39 | Bystander | tag: I'd still try copying the whole thing via paranoia. If that fails, you might try: 'isobuster' -- http://www.smart-projects.net/isobuster/ |
| 06:01.58 | idealbsd | shingouz, yes, once i do it use knoppix to boot and afio to copy them |
| 06:02.04 | nailbiter | idealbsd: in that case, you can simply 'dd' the filesystem across, then use 'resize2fs' (for ext2/ext3) and 'resize_reiserfs' (for reiserfs) to expand it to fit |
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| 06:02.56 | nailbiter | idealbsd: on the other hand, if the target device is actually smaller, you can use those two tools to shrink the filesystems on the source device, _then_ 'dd' them across when they're small enough to fit |
| 06:03.08 | shingouz | idealbsd for a simple copying operation, use tar. just create the filesystems on the target beforehand and tar the stuff over ssh |
| 06:03.20 | valdyn | idealbsd: i find the alternative of "cp -ax" to copy the contents of a partition easier/better. |
| 06:03.23 | nailbiter | idealbsd: but both are really slow compared to a 'cp -a'. |
| 06:03.49 | shingouz | idealbsd not to mention you might fsck something up |
| 06:04.01 | m0rbid_ | IM having a problem with lilo, when I reboot all it say is LI, no according to /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.common.problems.. it might be that lba32 wasnt defined, but indeed it is, so I ran (in /usr/lib/lilo/) make -f Makefile.floppy and I get an error: make: *** No rule to make target `disk.com', needed by `floppy'. Stop. Any ideas? |
| 06:04.31 | valdyn | m0rbid_: try grub? |
| 06:04.33 | idealbsd | shingouz, ;) |
| 06:04.46 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: what are you attempting to get LILO to boot into? a debian installation on your hard drive? |
| 06:04.46 | tag | alright, time to give wine + cd a try |
| 06:04.54 | valdyn | m0rbid_: easier than fixing issues with lilo getting "wrong" drive geometry imo |
| 06:05.23 | m0rbid_ | valdyn: I tried grub, I think I might have to format the MBR first. |
| 06:05.30 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: debian install ... yes |
| 06:05.42 | m0rbid_ | valdyn: IMO I would love to use grub |
| 06:05.43 | Bystander | m0rbid: what disk? partition #? e.g. /dev/hda1, /dev/hdb3... |
| 06:05.48 | valdyn | m0rbid_: umm, no, just grub-install /dev/hda |
| 06:05.53 | m0rbid_ | Bystander: /dev/hda2 |
| 06:05.59 | takatumi | and update-grub |
| 06:06.08 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: what happens when you run /sbin/lilo? does it warn you about a missing kernel image? |
| 06:06.20 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: lemme check... |
| 06:06.31 | Bystander | m0rbid: is /dev/hda2 mountable if you boot from some other Linux? |
| 06:06.39 | mwilson | nailbiter: What would that have to do with his problem? |
| 06:07.06 | m0rbid_ | Bystander: I got into it using rescue root=/dev/hda2 |
| 06:07.12 | mwilson | nailbiter: Since, after all, what the behavior he sees means is completely documented. |
| 06:07.12 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: works fine. |
| 06:07.17 | DebUser | I get an error when trying to print, "client-error-not-possible". I don't think it's a program error, rather I've confused something. I can start jobs, but they always get cancelled for some reason. |
| 06:07.24 | m0rbid_ | mwilson: your correct. |
| 06:07.52 | idealbsd | another question, update-grub will add root (hdx,x) in menu.list before kernel ..., but the boot partion is first mounted, so i must move the line of root (....) in order to boot the system, is this the bug of update-grub? |
| 06:08.12 | Tweak`TG-Owner | becuase im running a 64 bit os, and a 32 bit file, is that why its saying b-bash: ./steam No such file or direcotry but ls -l says its there and such? |
| 06:08.29 | maher | DebUser: what printer do you have |
| 06:08.38 | cafuego | Tweak`TG-Owner: Probably, yes. try 'ldd ./steam' |
| 06:08.40 | m0rbid_ | mwilson: I checked the docs. I did what it says, but I dont feel like messing with hdd geometries, to install grub should I first format the MBR ? |
| 06:08.43 | idealbsd | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 06:08.46 | takatumi | idealbsd: "but the boot partion is first mounted" that didn't parse. |
| 06:08.53 | DebUser | maher: hp deskjet 3550 |
| 06:09.07 | Tweak`TG-Owner | cafuego still no such for or directory. exited with unknows exit code. |
| 06:09.08 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: ok. but your newly installed copy of LILO still hangs at "LI"? |
| 06:09.09 | mwilson | m0rbid_: As soon as you define what it is that you think "format the MBR" means. |
| 06:09.34 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: indeed |
| 06:09.36 | maher | DebUser: which version of debian |
| 06:09.36 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: well, you don't have to "format" anything -- GRUB will simply copy its own MBR code on top of your existing one. but you might want to just have a go at getting LILO working first |
| 06:09.40 | Bystander | m0rbid: so assuming that hda2 is OK as a disk, it must be something in your /etc/lilo. I'll look up something... |
| 06:09.42 | DebUser | maher: sarge |
| 06:10.08 | cafuego | Tweak`TG-Owner: 'ldd' should ALWAYS print something if the file exists. |
| 06:10.11 | maher | DebUser: install gs-esd, hplip hpoj if its multifunction |
| 06:10.11 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: I removed and purged LILO. then installed grub, and it still hung at LI. |
| 06:10.34 | cafuego | Tweak`TG-Owner: To setup a 32bit chroot, check this: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274246 |
| 06:10.35 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: erk. installing the 'grub' package doesn't necessarily install a copy of GRUB onto your MBR |
| 06:10.39 | m0rbid_ | and on another hdd, it did sortah the same thing, but did LILO 40 40 40 40 --> |
| 06:10.41 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: you have to run 'grub-install' for that |
| 06:10.51 | mwilson | m0rbid_: Installing the grub package doesn't necessarily write it to the MBR, any more than installing the lilo package does. |
| 06:11.03 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: Aieeee! thats what I was looking for... brb |
| 06:11.04 | idealbsd | takatumi, in grub command console, the boot partion is mounted and if your use root (...) then it will not find kernel and initrd file |
| 06:11.11 | m0rbid_ | nailbiter: thx =) |
| 06:11.15 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: this is a stab in the dark, but could you try removing the 'lba32' and 'compact' options from your /etc/lilo.conf and then run '/sbin/lilo' again? |
| 06:11.20 | Bystander | m0rbid: one step at a time. According to 'man lilo' the 'L' means the "first stage loader" is OK... |
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| 06:11.40 | takatumi | idealbsd: could you put your /boot/grub/menu.lst somewhere on the web? |
| 06:11.43 | nailbiter | m0rbid_: removing those two will have LILO try to accommondate older BIOSes |
| 06:12.00 | m0rbid_ | Bystander: I thought the same thing too. this is an OLD ASS AST 133, so lemme try to remove the lba32 first... |
| 06:12.05 | idealbsd | takatumi, ok #flood |
| 06:12.09 | jair_11 | I know it saound ridicoulus but I can not assign a static IP to my eth0 I try some couple of things and nothing |
| 06:12.10 | m0rbid_ | brb guys... |
| 06:12.26 | jair_11 | the network I have is all configure static |
| 06:12.47 | Bystander | m0rbid: then the 'I' should give an error code in hex, which you haven't mentioned... |
| 06:12.50 | nailbiter | jair_11: what does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like? you really don't have to add your own 'ifconfig' invocation to the startup scripts |
| 06:12.52 | jair_11 | and i need to assign the 192.168.1.5 to this laptop |
| 06:12.57 | mwilson | jair_11: Is there a reason why you need to "try some couple of things" rather than just doing it? |
| 06:13.12 | m0rbid_ | ok rebooting... crossing my fingers... |
| 06:13.20 | m0rbid_ | Bystander: no, Locked at LI. |
| 06:13.23 | m0rbid_ | brb |
| 06:13.36 | jair_11 | mwilson: I tried but I think i am doing something wrong |
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| 06:14.52 | jair_11 | nailbiter: this is my /etc/network/interfaces: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:15.06 | jair_11 | "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 06:15.09 | shingouz | jair_11 not here, #flood or use a pastebot |
| 06:15.10 | nailbiter | jair_11: ok. do you also have an 'auto eth0' line in that file? |
| 06:15.12 | jair_11 | that is what it have now |
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| 06:15.39 | jair_11 | nailbiter: let me check |
| 06:15.42 | mwilson | jair_11: Ok, so you configured it to use DHCP, why are you surprised that it's not using a static IP? |
| 06:15.43 | Tweak`TG-Owner | why would I need to bootstrap a chroot for an amd 64 bit system? |
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| 06:16.03 | Bystander | m0rbid: well? |
| 06:16.10 | jair_11 | nailbiter: auto lo eth0 eth1 |
| 06:16.10 | jair_11 | iface lo inet loopback |
| 06:16.11 | m0rbid | w00t! removal of lba32 worked on this machine... =) |
| 06:16.16 | idealbsd | takatumi, boot partion mounted on /boot |
| 06:16.20 | mwilson | jair_11: Well? |
| 06:16.29 | jair_11 | nagual: those are the two other lines |
| 06:16.41 | m0rbid | now on to the second hdd, lemme strap that machine up and get back in here as soon as I get it rescue booted. |
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| 06:16.54 | nailbiter | jair_11: looks good. can you do an 'ifconfig eth0' (without any other arguments)? do you get a 'error fetching interface information: Device not found'? |
| 06:16.55 | mwilson | jair_11: If you want it to have a static IP, don't you think it would probably be a good idea to actually configure it with one? |
| 06:16.56 | jair_11 | ofcourse I have as well the eth1 which is a centrino Nic but I have that one down |
| 06:16.59 | m0rbid | brb, and thanks for all your help... |
| 06:17.15 | takatumi | idealbsd: you'll need the "root (hd0,4)", the only thing that could be different is "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-k7 root=/dev/hda5 ro" and do the same for the initrd line as well." if boot is on the right partition. |
| 06:17.18 | nailbiter | jair_11: hang on -- is this eth0 a wireless interface? on a pc card? |
| 06:17.19 | jair_11 | nailbiter: I get the ip address cool not problem |
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| 06:17.30 | dabreegster | Can anybody recommend a good shockwave player? swf-player doesn't support user interaction, so I cant view a particular file. |
| 06:17.35 | mwilson | nailbiter: What about it "looks good"? It's entirely backwards from what he says he wants. |
| 06:17.41 | Tweak`TG-Owner | nailbiter hi this is tweak. Have you ever experimented with a 64 bit linux debian? |
| 06:17.42 | jair_11 | nailbiter: what I need to do is add the 192.168.1.5 to my laptop |
| 06:17.59 | shingouz | jair_11 in /etc/network/interfaces you nee to tell the interface *not* to use dhcp. man interfaces |
| 06:18.01 | jair_11 | nailbiter: the gateway will be 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:18.15 | jair_11 | nailbiter: I don't know what else I shuld put? |
| 06:18.18 | dabreegster | I'll try a plugin to mozilla, but I'd prefer a standalone player. |
| 06:18.20 | nailbiter | jair_11: well, your system is configured to gain an address via DHCP. just change the 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to 'iface eth0 inet static' |
| 06:18.39 | jair_11 | nailbiter: pc card |
| 06:18.45 | nailbiter | jair_11: the interfaces(5) manpage will tell you how to add your own gateway address and netmask, too. just copy the example from that page |
| 06:18.46 | idealbsd | takatumi, i've try before, not work ;) |
| 06:18.58 | jair_11 | nailbiter: I have other too eth1 but I am trying to configure eth0 |
| 06:19.02 | nailbiter | Tweak`TG-Owner: nope. :) |
| 06:19.03 | takatumi | idealbsd: what partition is boot on? |
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| 06:19.26 | shingouz | jair_11 man 5 interfaces |
| 06:19.29 | idealbsd | takatumi, i've paste it on #flood |
| 06:19.37 | jair_11 | nailbiter: I did that I read and follow the example there |
| 06:19.49 | jair_11 | i will show you what i did: |
| 06:20.13 | nailbiter | jair_11: but i think you copied the wrong example. you want the 'static' one, not the 'dhcp' one, since you're manually assigning ip addresses |
| 06:20.37 | idealbsd | takatumi, fdisk -l is also on #flood |
| 06:20.42 | jair_11 | nailbiter: ok |
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| 06:20.58 | takatumi | idealbsd: that's where it's going wrong, that line should be "root (hd0,0)", do you have a /boot in / as well. |
| 06:21.09 | jair_11 | i should delete the line: auto lo eth0 eth1 |
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| 06:21.32 | jair_11 | nailbiter: i should delete the line: auto lo eth0 eth1? |
| 06:21.34 | idealbsd | takatumi, yes, u are right ;) |
| 06:21.43 | nailbiter | jair_11: make it 'auto lo eth0', since you only want those interfaces to be brought up |
| 06:21.53 | shingouz | jair_11 consider commenting it out instead of deleting it |
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| 06:22.12 | jair_11 | nailbiter: cool I have a back up of this file |
| 06:22.16 | takatumi | idealbsd: decide on which /boot you want to use, fix /etc/fstab |
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| 06:22.24 | nailbiter | jair_11: the 'auto' line is a list of interfaces to be brought up at boot time, so removing it is not a great idea |
| 06:22.43 | jair_11 | what about the line: iface lo inet loopback |
| 06:22.45 | jair_11 | ? |
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| 06:23.00 | nailbiter | jair_11: that's the loopback interface; many programs will not work without it. |
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| 06:23.07 | jair_11 | nailbiter: ok |
| 06:23.15 | tag | dd_rescue appears to be useful but I'm not quite sure what I should do with the output when its done |
| 06:23.43 | jair_11 | but after the changes i will need to reboot or I can do "ifup eth0" or ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 06:23.47 | Bystander | tag: you ran dd_rescue or are thinking of trying it? |
| 06:23.52 | shingouz | jair_11 nailbiter i have weird feeling that i saw something somewhere mentioning that pcmcia nics should not be put on "auto" in interfaces as they come up when pcmcia comes up. pcmcia is started later than networking support |
| 06:23.58 | jair_11 | neiljp-work-gone: but after the changes i will need to reboot or I can do "ifup eth0" or ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 06:24.01 | nailbiter | jair_11: you don't need to reboot. 'ifup --force -a' will simulate what happens at boot time. |
| 06:24.01 | shingouz | jair_11 ifdown / ifup |
| 06:24.01 | tag | Bystander: I'm running it now |
| 06:24.32 | Bystander | tag: if it works, maybe you could mount the result. |
| 06:24.35 | idealbsd | takatumi, the boot partion is what i using now, i copy them to / because it didn't work when i add /boot in fstab |
| 06:24.46 | jair_11 | nailbiter: thank you and thank you shingouz ;) I will try to see what happend |
| 06:24.51 | tag | that'd be fabulous |
| 06:24.52 | nailbiter | shingouz: you're correct. if you have a pc card, /etc/init.d/pcmcia will bring it up for you |
| 06:25.06 | nailbiter | jair_11: erk -- hang on -- didn't you say earlier that it was a PC Card? |
| 06:25.12 | tag | Jeeze I wish this hadn't happened |
| 06:25.19 | jair_11 | nailbiter: it is not a pc card |
| 06:25.22 | takatumi | idealbsd: paste your fstab as well. |
| 06:25.25 | jair_11 | it is a built in |
| 06:25.31 | nailbiter | jair_11: ok, cool. :) all's well then |
| 06:25.34 | jair_11 | it come built in |
| 06:25.38 | jair_11 | cool |
| 06:25.41 | jair_11 | hahah :) |
| 06:25.42 | Bystander | tag: did you check out that 'isobuster' URL? |
| 06:25.50 | jair_11 | let me try to edit the file |
| 06:25.59 | tag | Bystander: yeah, it wont run in wine without some patches I didn't feel like dealing with |
| 06:25.59 | RootsLINUX | I have a question. I just compiled a new kernel for my AMD64 box and I made sure the AMD64/Opteron/K8 option was set in the kernel config, and I'm in my new kernel now and I get this: |
| 06:25.59 | RootsLINUX | "harima:/usr/src/linux# uname -a |
| 06:25.59 | RootsLINUX | Linux harima 2.6.8-harima #1 Sun Mar 13 00:29:16 CST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 06:26.08 | RootsLINUX | Why does it say I'm on i686? |
| 06:26.09 | tag | it installed fine but it wasn't functinoal |
| 06:26.11 | tag | functional |
| 06:26.20 | idealbsd | takatumi, ok |
| 06:26.39 | Bystander | tag: Wine? Nah, you'd have to run that on the real thing, alas... |
| 06:27.07 | tag | Bystander: I don't have the real thing, and the page claims it runs in wine...and links to the patches you need to make that work :-) |
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| 06:27.39 | p3l3 | hi german here? |
| 06:27.58 | RootsLINUX | Anyone have a clue? Why my kernel compiled for AMD64 is reporting i686 with uname? |
| 06:28.12 | p3l3 | need help to install debian |
| 06:28.51 | jair_11 | nailbiter: can i pm you |
| 06:28.55 | DebUser | !tell p3l3 about german |
| 06:29.07 | jair_11 | nailbiter: is some cople of lines I want to check |
| 06:29.27 | nailbiter | jair_11: ask in the channel; that way, others can help. :) if you need to paste lots of text, use #flood (or http://pastebin.com) |
| 06:29.33 | p3l3 | i need wget but i can't find the package |
| 06:29.42 | jair_11 | nailbiter: ok |
| 06:29.43 | nailbiter | p3l3: wget is in the "wget" package |
| 06:30.10 | nailbiter | p3l3: it's also in the base system, so i'm not sure why you're not able to find it |
| 06:30.22 | p3l3 | how can i install it after complete install of debian |
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| 06:30.30 | Bystander | tag: I'm surprised such a util would run on Wine anywhere. Which page claims it does? |
| 06:30.40 | nailbiter | p3l3: well, if it's somehow missing -- apt-get install wget |
| 06:30.49 | p3l3 | when i try to use it: unkown command |
| 06:30.55 | jair_11 | nailbiter: this is the example i should follow? http://pastebin.com/253653 |
| 06:30.55 | z36ra | anyone know how to reconfigure the mouse in sarge? |
| 06:30.59 | nailbiter | p3l3: if apt-get is missing, you're not on a debian system |
| 06:31.20 | p3l3 | i downloaded all 7 cds and installed a new system |
| 06:31.40 | takatumi | idealbsd: how are you booted now? |
| 06:31.53 | nailbiter | jair_11: yes. :) you don't need all the fields, though. just "address", "netmask", "broadcast" and "gateway" should do |
| 06:31.59 | p3l3 | hda |
| 06:32.02 | jair_11 | p3l3: wow you shoul save time and blank cds getting the netinst cd from sarge |
| 06:32.02 | z36ra | anyone use a Creative wireless optical mouse? |
| 06:32.21 | Bystander | p3l3: do 'apt-get install wget'... |
| 06:32.32 | p3l3 | dont have a fast inet connection here |
| 06:32.39 | shingouz | z36ra no. try ImPS/2 |
| 06:32.43 | jair_11 | nailbiter: and after that: you don't need to reboot. 'ifup --force -a' will simulate what happens at boot time. |
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| 06:33.01 | p3l3 | ill try |
| 06:33.09 | SniperX | Ive just installed Debian Woody using bf24 and i want to setup IPMASQ, can someone assist me in doing this please |
| 06:33.13 | nailbiter | jair_11: yes |
| 06:33.15 | nailbiter | p3l3: did you get a 'apt-get: command not found' or, did 'apt-get' itself complain of a missing package? |
| 06:33.28 | SniperX | it has to NIC cards installed and i have dhcpD running on 1 and dhcp running on the other(that is connected to the cable modem) |
| 06:33.51 | z36ra | shin: I think thats what its set at now... lemme check again. I think Im getting some kind of kernel error. |
| 06:34.18 | jair_11 | nailbiter: ok |
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| 06:34.46 | shingouz | z36ra it just might be a bit easier if you told us what you are running the mouse on. gpm, X... something else |
| 06:34.58 | z36ra | X |
| 06:35.17 | Bystander | z36ra: does the mouse work in the console -- e.g. if X is off? |
| 06:35.26 | p3l3 | sry can't write and look at my server @ the same time (damn KVM) |
| 06:35.31 | z36ra | I dont run gpm |
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| 06:36.07 | nailbiter | p3l3: if apt-get can't find 'wget', you may have forgotten to configure it to pull packages from CDROM. if that's the case, run 'apt-cdrom' to scan your first Debian disc for packages |
| 06:36.18 | grendal_prime | ok this is making me nuts |
| 06:36.28 | grendal_prime | i really want mozilla...on my machine |
| 06:36.41 | z36ra | checking logs... one minute |
| 06:36.53 | grendal_prime | firefox works..but the mozilla package...it really has everything i need....ie editor |
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| 06:37.21 | grendal_prime | editore being the biggest thing... anyway i installed it via apt but for some reason the browser will not fire up |
| 06:37.58 | grendal_prime | INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 06:37.59 | grendal_prime | System error?:: Success |
| 06:38.15 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: you're on debian sarge? |
| 06:38.19 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 06:38.34 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: ok. can you try temporarily moving away your ~/.mozilla directory? |
| 06:38.35 | z36ra | Yeah, I get a lot of USB errors |
| 06:38.59 | z36ra | shin, bystander---^ |
| 06:39.07 | z36ra | kernel log |
| 06:39.14 | jair_11 | nailbiter: this is how it look => http://pastebin.com/253655 |
| 06:39.14 | Bystander | z36ra: it's a USB mouse? |
| 06:39.14 | grendal_prime | will i loose all the setting for firefox? |
| 06:39.20 | z36ra | yeah |
| 06:39.20 | jair_11 | nailbiter: it is ok |
| 06:39.35 | jair_11 | the format I mean I know the ip addresses |
| 06:39.42 | grendal_prime | because althought its not what i want...firefox is at least working at this point |
| 06:39.46 | jair_11 | don't worry about it |
| 06:39.57 | jair_11 | but it is how I supouse to edit it? |
| 06:40.07 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: just as a temporary measure. you can move it back later |
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| 06:40.20 | shingouz | grendal_prime mv, not rm |
| 06:40.24 | grendal_prime | ill just renme it |
| 06:40.32 | Bystander | z36ra: so the first question should be "is USB working"? |
| 06:40.44 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: yes -- i said "move away". :) |
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| 06:40.51 | joshk | has anyone ever got reaim to work? |
| 06:40.59 | jair_11 | nailbiter: here is how I will save the edition of the /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/253655 |
| 06:41.00 | z36ra | Bystander: Actually, my ps2 mouse stoped working a long time ago so I switched to a MS Wireless USB Optical and it works fine but I got water on it and it's crapping out. |
| 06:41.13 | idealbsd | takatumi, wait a moment! just have a try |
| 06:41.35 | grendal_prime | still does the same thing |
| 06:41.44 | z36ra | So I bought this creative mouse |
| 06:41.50 | nailbiter | jair_11: looks good. :) but if you intended the Centrino interface at eth1 to stay down, remove the 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' line as well |
| 06:41.54 | Bystander | z36ra: If I were you I'd open it up and clean it... |
| 06:42.10 | jair_11 | nailbiter: ok |
| 06:42.17 | jair_11 | amd then the rest is good? |
| 06:42.21 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: do you have your own extensions installed in /usr/lib/mozilla? |
| 06:42.24 | Bystander | z36ra: assuming it can be opened up... |
| 06:42.26 | shingouz | jair_11 i would comment it out rather than deleting the line.. |
| 06:42.27 | z36ra | Bystander: I got it working again but im wondering why this new creative mouse wont work |
| 06:42.41 | grendal_prime | could be...i mean hold on illlook |
| 06:42.45 | jair_11 | nailbiter: the res is ok |
| 06:42.50 | nailbiter | jair_11: yup. :) |
| 06:42.57 | jair_11 | shingouz: the rest is ok nice let me try |
| 06:43.03 | Bystander | z36ra: OK so USB works, and now you have a new creative USB mouse that doesn't... |
| 06:43.09 | jair_11 | nailbiter: let me try then |
| 06:43.09 | z36ra | yeah |
| 06:43.12 | jair_11 | :) |
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| 06:43.45 | WhiteRabbit | http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html Interesting nero released for linux now |
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| 06:43.50 | Bystander | z36ra: do you have a Knoppix CD? |
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| 06:44.26 | grendal_prime | nailbiter, i have all kids of plugins if thats what you mean |
| 06:44.29 | z36ra | #flood |
| 06:44.35 | shingouz | WhiteRabbit nice. more proprietary software |
| 06:44.35 | z36ra | yeah |
| 06:44.51 | grendal_prime | libflash, libjava you know the usual stuff |
| 06:45.15 | takatumi | WhiteRabbit: tried it? |
| 06:45.16 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: ok. try (temporarily) moving libjavaplugin.so out of /usr/lib/mozilla first. it's known to crash Mozilla at startup |
| 06:45.22 | Bystander | z36ra: if you boot from it, can Knoppix detect and use the creative USB mouse? |
| 06:45.27 | WhiteRabbit | shiner840, I already own 5 windows copys & since I own them which I got free anyways I get nero linux for free so I bet that out |
| 06:45.45 | WhiteRabbit | takatumi, if you own a valid windows key you get nero linux for free |
| 06:45.54 | shingouz | cdrecord |
| 06:46.08 | takatumi | WhiteRabbit: hmm, I do have one. |
| 06:46.12 | z36ra | Bystander: I havent tried it. |
| 06:46.31 | thesaboteur | I don't have a valid windows key and I have debian for free :) |
| 06:46.37 | WhiteRabbit | I dont mind more ey candy in linux its time linux is ables to live from being so heavy on the cmd line to allow more new comers |
| 06:46.46 | WhiteRabbit | more new comers to linux means more linux jobs. |
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| 06:46.49 | Bystander | z36ra: if it worked, you'd know for sure that it CAN be done... IF it worked. |
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| 06:47.14 | z36ra | Bystander: thats a good idea. |
| 06:47.18 | Morrowyn | maybe no one wants to write the so-called wizards for all that? |
| 06:47.21 | grendal_prime | same thing...its werid it acts like it is going to start...you know hd light and whatnot..then it never start |
| 06:47.23 | shingouz | WhiteRabbit i dont mind more eyecandy either, i do mind closed source proprietary software though |
| 06:47.24 | WhiteRabbit | Dont hate the playa or the game hate the industry |
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| 06:48.41 | Morrowyn | ill stick to xcdroast :) |
| 06:48.57 | Morrowyn | and cdrecord and cdrdao :) |
| 06:49.16 | WhiteRabbit | Now I can burn movie backups in nero & watch them in powerdvd all in linux as both apps are now native to linux |
| 06:49.30 | Morrowyn | i use xine for my dvd's |
| 06:49.34 | idealbsd | takatumi, it works when chang root (hd0,0), must i chang boot label to mbr if want update-grub work well? |
| 06:49.58 | z36ra | I still expected it to work though. Plug it in and go... |
| 06:50.07 | Morrowyn | but i like it , companies making native linux apps |
| 06:50.10 | shingouz | WhiteRabbit cdrecord, mkisofs, menconder and mplayer. free software too. as in beer and speech |
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| 06:50.21 | Morrowyn | means jobs :) |
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| 06:50.32 | shingouz | ...and they all have some frontend or another with eyecandy |
| 06:50.42 | Bystander | z36ra: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 06:50.49 | z36ra | sarge |
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| 06:51.30 | m0rbid | ok.. on this one, I installed grub (with no errors during install) But when I rebooted I get Grub Error 18. |
| 06:51.31 | Bystander | z36ra: er, is 'sarge' the 'stable' one? |
| 06:51.48 | z36ra | testging |
| 06:51.59 | z36ra | testing even |
| 06:52.14 | m0rbid | any ideas what Error 18 is? |
| 06:53.14 | Bystander | z36ra: what's 'lsusb' say about the mouse? |
| 06:53.19 | nailbiter | m0rbid: '18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS' |
| 06:53.25 | DebUser | Hardly any drivers seem to available for CUPs, yet a lot are listed (in KDE Printer manager). How can I get these drivers? |
| 06:53.41 | WhiteRabbit | shingouz, well they surely have nothing to worry about from nero as everyones gonna turn there nose up at it Im sure.. |
| 06:53.49 | m0rbid | hmmm, where are you seeing this? Online docs? |
| 06:53.56 | nailbiter | m0rbid: in other words, your BIOS is quite old (or has LBA disabled) and can't reach the partition you're trying to boot from |
| 06:54.15 | WhiteRabbit | shingouz, if we are lucky we can fight them out of our linux arena & make sure no other businesses bring money to linux as well |
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| 06:54.30 | nailbiter | m0rbid: yes -- it's in the GRUB info documentation (a copy of which comes with grub) |
| 06:54.38 | z36ra | Bystander: lemme plug it in real quick |
| 06:54.48 | nailbiter | m0rbid: the HTML version is in the 'grub-doc' package |
| 06:54.50 | Bystander | z36ra: if you don't have 'lsusb' then do 'apt-get install usbutils'... |
| 06:55.22 | z36ra | I just lost my mouse, hang on |
| 06:55.29 | m0rbid | nailbiter: I onyl have two partitions on this, Linux and Swap. when I installed grub, i did grub-install /dev/hda.. which is the only hdd in there.. hda2 is root and hda1 is swap/ |
| 06:55.33 | reNegad3 | how would I clear my dmesg?? |
| 06:56.03 | nailbiter | m0rbid: do you get the 'Error 18' _after_ seeing the GRUB menu? |
| 06:56.19 | m0rbid | nailbiter: newp, before.... |
| 06:56.38 | nailbiter | m0rbid: how large is your swap partition, by the way? |
| 06:56.49 | m0rbid | 256 |
| 06:56.58 | reNegad3 | hrmm, I will be more specific, I have mounted a shuffle ipod then removed it. now when I do dmesg, it has errors :( how could I get rid of them?? |
| 06:57.06 | m0rbid | ack, 128 |
| 06:57.22 | m0rbid | I should make it higher |
| 06:57.32 | idealbsd | shingouz, mplayer may die soon, ;) http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
| 06:57.34 | nailbiter | m0rbid: what the error means is that GRUB can't reach the 'stage2' file in your root partition (because it's beyond the 1024-cylinder limit). |
| 06:57.34 | m0rbid | Ill do that when I remove all the crap off this hdd. |
| 06:57.59 | nailbiter | m0rbid: the best fix would be to enable LBA in your BIOS. |
| 06:58.14 | m0rbid | nailbiter: ok lemme see if its an option. |
| 06:58.17 | m0rbid | Ill return asap |
| 06:58.20 | m0rbid | =) |
| 06:58.38 | z36ra | shoot: now I got no mouse |
| 06:58.44 | z36ra | brb |
| 06:59.01 | nailbiter | m0rbid: some BIOSes may call it 'large disk support' or '>1024 cylinder limit' or 'LBA translation' or somesuch |
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| 07:00.29 | trend | hello |
| 07:00.49 | trend | i want to view my kde desktop (off my server) on my windows computer (over the network) |
| 07:00.52 | trend | what program would I use? |
| 07:02.03 | trend | do most people use VNC? |
| 07:02.10 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 07:02.11 | grendal_prime | it works |
| 07:02.31 | grendal_prime | and very well..there are clients and servers for bother platforms as well |
| 07:02.33 | trend | cool,i will use that |
| 07:02.46 | trend | yeah, i use vnc for windows a lot |
| 07:02.54 | idealbsd | grendal_prime, ssh+vnc maybe better |
| 07:02.55 | trend | it sucks the content isn't encrypted though :/ |
| 07:02.59 | trend | yeah |
| 07:03.07 | grendal_prime | both that is...also if you are running linux on the routers....you can tunnel it through ssh |
| 07:03.09 | trend | I normally tunnel my vnc over pptp |
| 07:03.12 | nailbiter | trend: KDE may have a built-in VNC service. have a look at Internet -> Desktop Sharing in your KDE control panel |
| 07:03.46 | grendal_prime | use a linx box for the client...you can connect to anything with that |
| 07:04.36 | nailbiter | trend: that's assuming you want to export an already-running KDE session. if you want each incoming VNC client to log in on its own, you probably want 'vncserver' instead |
| 07:04.38 | grendal_prime | nailbiter, this mozilla problem is killing me..any other suggestions...the only think i can find on google...all of this stuff points to a bad plugin link |
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| 07:04.59 | trend | yeah! just installed vncserver |
| 07:05.02 | trend | and everything works fine |
| 07:05.17 | grendal_prime | i use that every day |
| 07:05.17 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: moving libjavaplugin.so out of /usr/lib/mozilla didn't work? |
| 07:05.23 | trend | i guess... the port number isn't normal that it is using (it is using port5901) |
| 07:05.25 | grendal_prime | no |
| 07:05.38 | m0rbid | nailbiter: ok were getting somewhere now =). not exactly sure where I got, but all I saw was grub> (if I hit tab I got list of commands) dont know what to do from there. |
| 07:05.42 | nailbiter | trend: that would be display #1 rather than #0 (the default for most clients) |
| 07:05.57 | grendal_prime | im wondering if i have another link somewere to another dir or plugins location |
| 07:06.08 | nailbiter | m0rbid: did you create a /boot/grub/menu.lst file? :) that's how you actually get a menu .. |
| 07:06.33 | lookorez | anyone want to help me setup rails on ubuntu |
| 07:06.40 | m0rbid | nailbiter: is there a template somewhere? or maybe a grubconf or similar? |
| 07:06.44 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is the system-wide mozilla plugin directory |
| 07:06.57 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: i guess you could try moving the extensions directory (/usr/lib/mozilla/extensions) away next |
| 07:06.58 | trend | hmm |
| 07:07.03 | valdyn | m0rbid: it should already be there |
| 07:07.07 | trend | where do i change the screen resolution in kde? |
| 07:07.18 | valdyn | m0rbid: run update-grub to adjust it to your currently installed kernel(s) |
| 07:07.19 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: but that's only if you actually installed new extensions as root. :-) |
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| 07:07.32 | nailbiter | m0rbid: there's a nice example in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
| 07:07.33 | p3l3 | hi again |
| 07:07.34 | reNegad3 | how can I make it that a normal user has write permissons to a mounted device like a shuffle ipod?? |
| 07:07.50 | valdyn | m0rbid: however running "grub" will still produce just its shell, no menu |
| 07:07.54 | nailbiter | m0rbid: recent versions of grub can display graphical logos and coloured text. so have fun ;-) |
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| 07:08.07 | reNegad3 | i used 'mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/ipod -o umask=022' to mount the shuffle |
| 07:08.12 | p3l3 | how can i accept outgoing and incoming udp ports? |
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| 07:08.14 | grendal_prime | wich i did |
| 07:08.34 | reNegad3 | with root I can copy and move files, but with my normal user I cant |
| 07:08.41 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: this is now very mysterious |
| 07:08.51 | p3l3 | i tried /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm autofw -A -v -r udp 27015 27015 -h 192.168.1.2 |
| 07:09.17 | grendal_prime | but i dont have a user/lib/mozilla/extentions |
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| 07:09.47 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: it means you've never installed any extensions as root, which is a good thing. :) but now i'm stumped as to why your copy of mozilla is crashing |
| 07:10.28 | grendal_prime | it does absolutly nothing, if i try and fire up the editor or, you know the profile browser thats when i get the error |
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| 07:10.41 | idealbsd | reNegad3, umask=000 |
| 07:11.09 | p3l3 | but autofw: setsockopt failed: Protocol not available |
| 07:11.34 | trend | man.. i don't see "display" under peripherals under the "control Panel" |
| 07:11.35 | reNegad3 | ok ta |
| 07:11.41 | trend | there is only keyboard and mouse.. how do I add that? |
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| 07:11.57 | trend | like what is talked about here: http://www.mepislovers.com/guide/resolution/resolution.html |
| 07:12.04 | valdyn | grendal_prime: does mozilla work if you try as a different / new user or a differnt profile? |
| 07:12.16 | grendal_prime | i was just wondering about that |
| 07:12.25 | grendal_prime | hold on ill log on as diff user |
| 07:12.33 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: what i'd try next is 'apt-get --purge remove libnss3 libnspr4 mozilla' (to remove mozilla altogether), 'mv /usr/lib/mozilla /tmp/mozilla' (to move any accreted junk out of the way) and then 'apt-get install mozilla-browser' to install a fresh copy of everything back |
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| 07:12.52 | p3l3 | i tried /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm autofw -A -v -r udp 27015 27015 -h 192.168.1.2 |
| 07:12.53 | p3l3 | but autofw: setsockopt failed: Protocol not available |
| 07:12.55 | valdyn | grendal_prime: prefs of firefox are in ~/.firefox btw, i dnot think it overlaps with mozilla at all |
| 07:12.59 | m0rbid | nailbiter: yah I just located menu./lst in examples. Grub can do some funky stuff. I just ran update-grub now. Gunna reboot. =) |
| 07:13.10 | m0rbid | brb |
| 07:13.14 | m0rbid | much thx |
| 07:13.15 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: also, you shouldn't be prompted to select a profile at startup -- running 'mozilla' by itself should simply create a profile named 'default' |
| 07:13.17 | m0rbid | =) |
| 07:14.01 | valdyn | nailbiter: that part would be caused by a crashed mozilla leaving locks behind i suppose |
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| 07:14.27 | Bystander | Anyone know the 'python' equvalent of the unix shell's 'echo $?'? |
| 07:14.53 | nailbiter | valdyn: hmm, yeah .. |
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| 07:15.11 | Inverted | hello |
| 07:15.20 | nailbiter | Bystander: you want the return value of the last function call in Python? |
| 07:15.26 | Inverted | where can I download windows media player 9 for debian GNU/LUNIX |
| 07:15.27 | nailbiter | Bystander: you can't get that. if you lose it, it's gone |
| 07:15.55 | streuner | Inverted: use mplayer, xine or vlc |
| 07:15.56 | valdyn | Inverted: guess why its called "*Windows* media player" |
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| 07:16.07 | zyg | when i login to the xwindows,the screen shakes.i set the vertrefresh value as "60-70",then it's better,but isn't good enough,could somebody help me ? thanks |
| 07:16.17 | Bystander | nailbiter: yes. Really gone? I didn't know that. |
| 07:16.19 | nailbiter | Inverted: microsoft suspended development of Media Player for Linux way back in version 6 |
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| 07:16.21 | maher | Inverted: email microsoft and ask them for a linux version |
| 07:16.29 | valdyn | !tell Inverted about marillat |
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| 07:17.26 | trend | where do i change the screen resolution in kde? |
| 07:17.31 | nailbiter | Bystander: there are good reasons for that. the function, for example, may be returning a huge unwanted data structure. keeping it in a $?-style buffer would prevent the garbage collector from freeing the memory allocated to it |
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| 07:18.06 | Inverted | okay |
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| 07:18.16 | Inverted | i am now writing an email to support@microsoft.com |
| 07:18.19 | Bystander | nailbiter: you said "IF you lose it" -- this implies there are ways of getting it... |
| 07:18.19 | valdyn | trend: look in the kde settings |
| 07:18.20 | atrus | CDR newbie.. I've got a directory full of WAV files. I want to burn an audio cd. What do I do? |
| 07:18.21 | osity | hi there dudes |
| 07:18.23 | Inverted | should I ask for the source too? |
| 07:18.37 | nailbiter | Inverted: isn't this an obvious troll? |
| 07:18.38 | trend | valdyn yeah, I have.. it isn't there (like in : http://www.mepislovers.com/guide/resolution/resolution.html ) |
| 07:18.45 | osity | Are there really that many people in here |
| 07:18.49 | Inverted | I don't understand... |
| 07:19.08 | nailbiter | Bystander: myvariable = myfunction("foo") # saves the return value of myfunction() in variable 'myvariable' |
| 07:19.08 | Inverted | I have a friend with media player and he runs linux, but an old version |
| 07:19.25 | streuner | Inverted: in which state of germany do you live? |
| 07:19.30 | Bystander | nailbiter: thanks! |
| 07:19.32 | zyg | exit |
| 07:19.36 | valdyn | trend: open the control center and look |
| 07:19.46 | valdyn | trend: its just a different menu layout than mepis i bet |
| 07:19.49 | Inverted | I am not german man I am from GNU/New Zealand |
| 07:19.55 | nailbiter | Inverted: yes -- microsoft is no longer developing media player for Linux. and it's very unlikely they'll ever release the source to it (or for that matter, the Windows Media Video codecs) |
| 07:19.56 | trend | hmm.. ok.. i will look again |
| 07:20.21 | Inverted | thats a shame indeed |
| 07:20.33 | Inverted | there is a lot of good porn that comes as .WMV |
| 07:20.41 | streuner | Don't feed the troll |
| 07:20.46 | Inverted | how am I supposed to watch it on my linux box |
| 07:20.47 | streuner | !ops Inverted |
| 07:20.48 | osity | hey ...I've been trying to restart samba on my new debian install with no luck, I'ce tried all samba restart and other quite similar with no luck. |
| 07:20.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Inverted |
| 07:20.50 | valdyn | trend: in a shell, type kcontrol - select peripherals in the control center, select screen |
| 07:21.04 | maher | osity: did you try /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 07:21.15 | valdyn | trend: ( i dont have a kde menu, so _that_ entry you have to find yourself |
| 07:21.22 | Inverted | Steven_: I am not a troll, no need to be abusive. |
| 07:21.29 | Inverted | oops streuner. |
| 07:21.37 | maher | Inverted: have you tried aviplay from marillat |
| 07:21.42 | streuner | Inverted: go away ! |
| 07:21.42 | valdyn | trend: s/screen/display/ |
| 07:21.43 | Inverted | nope |
| 07:21.47 | Inverted | does it play WMV? |
| 07:22.02 | DebUser | Can I apt-get install the canon drivers from http://canon-fb330p.sourceforge.net/ ? Or do I have to compile them? |
| 07:22.08 | cahoot | atrus: http://linux.sgms-centre.com/howto/cdwriting/10.php#cddaburn |
| 07:22.10 | osity | maher: ya... |
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| 07:22.41 | valdyn | is there a skin-tool that takes gnome themes to kde ( i only know about the opposite way ) |
| 07:22.54 | osity | When I had mandrake it worked no problem...is that how it worked for you? |
| 07:23.09 | trend | hmm.. still not there |
| 07:23.10 | trend | oh well |
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| 07:23.34 | valdyn | trend: in a shell, type "xrandr" , see if it works, what it does |
| 07:24.01 | valdyn | trend: kcontrols menu entry *may* not exist if you do not have xrandr |
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| 07:24.19 | valdyn | trend: or if your X-Server doesnt support the randr extension |
| 07:24.20 | trend | command not found |
| 07:24.30 | patrick_star | hello guys has anyone from u know how can i setup a NAT with IP POOL ? |
| 07:24.33 | maher | Inverted: don't msg me and i don't know - install it and see |
| 07:24.45 | valdyn | trend: apt-get install xrandr |
| 07:24.48 | Inverted | alright thankyou |
| 07:24.59 | atrus | cahoot: it keeps saying inappropriate audio encoding for my wavs :/ |
| 07:25.09 | trend | valdyn apt cannot find that |
| 07:25.10 | osity | maher |
| 07:25.14 | trend | by that name that is |
| 07:25.14 | valdyn | trend: yea, sorry, sec |
| 07:25.20 | osity | did that commnad work for you? |
| 07:25.25 | trend | :) thanks a ton for your help! |
| 07:25.28 | valdyn | trend: you're on sarge? |
| 07:25.35 | trend | woody |
| 07:25.39 | trend | just downloaded the distro today |
| 07:25.47 | patrick_star | trend: apt-cache search xrandr |
| 07:25.52 | maher | osity: yes |
| 07:25.58 | valdyn | !find xrandr woody |
| 07:25.59 | Inverted | when is version 11 linux coming out, does anyone know? |
| 07:26.03 | trend | patrick_star yeah.. i have done that and it didn't find that |
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| 07:26.12 | osity | i will try again tomorrow, debian is quite an adventure! |
| 07:26.13 | valdyn | trend: woody may not support this, and neither woody's kde |
| 07:26.19 | valdyn | trend: its oold |
| 07:26.25 | patrick_star | trend: check for the unstable package |
| 07:26.26 | dpkg | gnome-randr-applet: (Simple gnome-panel front end to the xrandr extension), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 07:26.53 | cahoot | atrus: CD tracks need to be 44.1kHz, 16-bit encoded |
| 07:27.11 | Bystander | dpkg: gnome-randr-applet is kinda buggy... |
| 07:27.11 | dpkg | okay, Bystander |
| 07:27.12 | trend | k. let me change the sources.list |
| 07:27.22 | valdyn | trend: hell dont. |
| 07:27.28 | trend | oh ok |
| 07:27.35 | Inverted | whats that other type of CD that does higher samples than 44.1khz |
| 07:27.38 | z36ra | Bystander: It didn't work in knoppix either. I'm gonna try it windows next chance I get. Looks to me that it's a bad mouse. |
| 07:27.54 | valdyn | trend: you can upgrade to sarge ( that is testing ), but you cannot just mix stable / testing |
| 07:27.59 | Bystander | z36ra: what's 'lsusb' say? |
| 07:28.09 | dondelelcaro | Bystander: the usb equivalent of lspci |
| 07:28.11 | z36ra | doesnt list it |
| 07:28.22 | valdyn | trend: actually, you can, but it will fuck up things in ways you dont want to have to deal with |
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| 07:28.30 | trend | valdyn ahh ok |
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| 07:28.42 | Bystander | z36ra: nothing? hmm... |
| 07:28.48 | z36ra | nope |
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| 07:28.53 | z36ra | nadda |
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| 07:29.28 | Bystander | z36ra: not even a device ID? |
| 07:29.30 | valdyn | !tell trend about woody->sarge |
| 07:29.31 | trend | valdyn well how do I upgrade to sarge without changing sources.list.. and then apt-get update/upgrade |
| 07:29.35 | trend | :) |
| 07:29.37 | z36ra | no sir |
| 07:30.16 | valdyn | trend: you will need to change your sources.list, but need to do few more to properly do this |
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| 07:30.36 | Bystander | z36ra: What about 'lsusb -v' |
| 07:30.42 | cahoot | atrus: what does 'file' say about your wav(s)? |
| 07:31.12 | trend | k, let me try this out real quick |
| 07:31.15 | atrus | cahoot: i think they're a bad audio rate. trying to run them by sox to adjust |
| 07:31.24 | valdyn | trend: also, woody->sarge is afaik still prone to some errors which might affect you or not, simply reinstalling may be a viable option, maybe the better one |
| 07:31.42 | valdyn | !d-i trend |
| 07:31.42 | dpkg | trend, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:31.46 | valdyn | trend: done with ^^^^ |
| 07:31.49 | z36ra | I tried on a win98 box a minute ago... didnt work but that may be a driver issue. I didnt try that... it's downstairs now. I guess I could boot knoppix on that machine down there... gimme a few minutes |
| 07:31.50 | ireverentReveren | how do i set up mysql passwords? |
| 07:32.08 | takatumi | naah, switch to sarge, dist-upgrade, not upgrade. |
| 07:32.14 | Bystander | z36ra: the point of all this 'lsusb' stuff is to get some kind of unique hardware number for the mouse. |
| 07:32.28 | z36ra | ok gimme a few |
| 07:32.41 | trend | man.. the room is split.. i dunno what to do.. reinstall or upgrade |
| 07:32.41 | Bystander | z36ra: win98... I meant 'lsusb' on Debian... |
| 07:32.52 | trend | well.. i guess if the upgrade screws up.. i will just reinstall :) |
| 07:32.53 | cahoot | atrus: if no success you could try sndfile-resample (not in debian though) |
| 07:33.03 | valdyn | trend: thats a good plan ) |
| 07:33.18 | trend | valdyn dpkg thanks for the help! |
| 07:33.26 | valdyn | !bot |
| 07:33.27 | atrus | cahoot: they're the wrong rate. they're also 32bit, so i need to figure out how to convert to 16bit |
| 07:33.27 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:33.35 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: what on? a default mysql installation on debian? |
| 07:33.42 | ireverentReveren | nailbiter yeah |
| 07:34.05 | grendal_prime | ya my mozilla is just totally fucked |
| 07:34.12 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: well, you can log in as the 'root' user and manipulate accounts with the 'GRANT' statement |
| 07:34.16 | cahoot | atrus: google for sndfile-resample |
| 07:34.28 | grendal_prime | clean it and purg hu? |
| 07:34.29 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: err, i mean 'mysql' user |
| 07:34.51 | ireverentReveren | nailbiter how do i log into... oh... ok.... how do i log in to mysql? |
| 07:35.18 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: you can use the command-line query tool. it's /usr/bin/mysql. :) |
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| 07:35.35 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: if you prefer a web interface, install 'phpmyadmin'. |
| 07:35.54 | nailbiter | ireverentReveren: and, finally, #mysql is the place to ask these questions. :) |
| 07:36.27 | atrus | cahoot: sox seems to be doing the job, and i have it handy. i *think* i've got eveything under control now. Thanks :) |
| 07:36.30 | grendal_prime | its just weird |
| 07:36.49 | grendal_prime | i have several debian systems and nevver run iiinto this before |
| 07:37.09 | p3l3 | need help with the firewall!!! |
| 07:37.22 | valdyn | p3l3: www.lartc.org |
| 07:37.28 | nailbiter | grendal_prime: i suggest you purge 'mozilla', 'libnss3' and 'libnspr4' (because the rest of the mozilla packages depend on them), remove leftovers from /usr/lib/mozilla, and then reinstall the lot |
| 07:37.29 | maher | grendal_prime: debsums it / strace it |
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| 07:38.11 | Bystander | grendel_prime: to test if it's a user config thing, make a new user, login as him, then try moz... |
| 07:38.26 | grendal_prime | Bystander, did that |
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| 07:38.32 | grendal_prime | its dead |
| 07:38.33 | trend | man.. i think i will upgrade the ram in this computer tomorrow.. kde isn't to kind with just 64megs |
| 07:38.45 | grendal_prime | its purging as we speak |
| 07:38.52 | paolo | Hi guys! I have apt-cacher that doesn't work any more (testing). I tried to reinstall it, and it says: "(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 07:38.52 | paolo | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 07:38.52 | paolo | Unable to open logs |
| 07:38.52 | paolo | " Any hint? Thank you! |
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| 07:38.57 | grendal_prime | maher, what were you saying? |
| 07:39.11 | streuner | trend: try openbox or windowmaker |
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| 07:39.26 | paolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.26 | maher | grendal_prime: strace mozilla and see where it dies, or try debsums which md5sum all the files |
| 07:39.32 | paolo | any hint? |
| 07:39.37 | christor | hello, I would like to install mrtg on my debioan but my command cfgmaker public... doesn't work. I have several problem snmp. Is someone has already encoutered this problem? |
| 07:39.40 | trend | well, i should have tons of extra ram downstairs that isn't being used |
| 07:39.42 | grendal_prime | strace? |
| 07:39.49 | nailbiter | paolo: try a 'fuser -v 80/tcp' to see who's bound to port 80. |
| 07:40.10 | maher | grendal_prime: type strace mozilla or soemthing |
| 07:40.11 | streuner | trend: sure, but with a slow CPU it isn't fun, anyway... |
| 07:40.26 | paolo | nailbiter: 80/tcp root 5888 f.... caudium |
| 07:40.28 | trend | oh.. yeah this computer is a p2 400mhrtz |
| 07:40.36 | paolo | nailbiter: what is caudium? |
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| 07:40.55 | Guest12472 | hi , i need help. |
| 07:41.03 | trend | so pretty slow.. but since it was free.. and i am not going to use it much .. i think it is fine |
| 07:41.05 | nailbiter | paolo: that's a webserver. :) can't you remember installing it? |
| 07:41.06 | valdyn | paolo: apt-cache show caudium |
| 07:41.13 | grendal_prime | ive never used it maher |
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| 07:41.16 | trend | but do you'll think 400mhrtz p2 is to slow for KDE? |
| 07:41.17 | grendal_prime | whats the syntax |
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| 07:41.23 | Guest12472 | i have a via kt333 board and the debian floppy kernel doesnt seem to pick up the drive |
| 07:41.23 | grendal_prime | oo i see |
| 07:41.25 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 07:41.37 | valdyn | caudium gets pulled due to some bug, if you dont watch it |
| 07:41.49 | paolo | nailbiter: should I remove it? |
| 07:41.53 | streuner | trend: modern desktop enviroments use too much RAM and CPU power, so yes. |
| 07:42.06 | Bystander | cronlk: which kernel version? |
| 07:42.09 | grendal_prime | hey nailbiter i purged it ..should i manually check for anything before installing again? |
| 07:42.18 | nailbiter | paolo: if you're not hosting an important service with caudium, go ahead. :) |
| 07:42.30 | nailbiter | paolo: it's your system -- shouldn't you know what you installed? :-P |
| 07:42.31 | grendal_prime | also..should i just remove firefox as well? |
| 07:42.34 | cron1k | Bystander: umm , hang on , ill check it out |
| 07:42.42 | paolo | nailbiter: ok, thank you! |
| 07:42.57 | nailbiter | trend: well, having lots of memory is a lot more important. :) |
| 07:43.11 | nailbiter | trend: prelinking your KDE binaries also helps a great deal. |
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| 07:43.37 | trend | is aptitude a replacement for apt? |
| 07:43.40 | Bystander | grendel_prime: if Firefox works, keep it. |
| 07:43.44 | nailbiter | trend: it's a front-end for it |
| 07:43.55 | Bystander | trend: I like 'feta'. |
| 07:44.36 | trend | man |
| 07:44.43 | cron1k | Bystander: 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 07:44.51 | trend | i am doing the aptitude dist-upgrade.. it says it has 600megs to upgrade |
| 07:45.08 | trend | i am almost thinking of just downloading the sarge netinstall disk.. i just installed woody 4 hours ago |
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| 07:45.25 | trend | that kinda makes me mad |
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| 07:45.56 | takatumi | trend: either dist-upgrade or do a fresh sarge install from a netinstall or a businesscard iso. |
| 07:45.58 | z36ra_ | ok |
| 07:46.12 | z36ra_ | Bystander: it works on this box |
| 07:46.13 | Bystander | cronlk: you said "a via kt333 board and the debian floppy kernel doesnt seem to pick up the drive" -- which drive is this? |
| 07:46.23 | streuner | trend: KDE or GNOME are nowaday about 200 MB each... |
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| 07:46.31 | trend | does a dist-upgrade work pretty well? like remove all the old files well? |
| 07:46.33 | streuner | nowadays* |
| 07:46.35 | Bystander | z36ra_: "it" means the mouse? |
| 07:46.37 | trend | or is it still kinda messy |
| 07:46.52 | cron1k | Bystander:seagate, st36423a |
| 07:46.56 | z36ra_ | yes |
| 07:47.04 | cron1k | Bystander:6.4 gig |
| 07:47.04 | z36ra_ | different computer |
| 07:47.09 | takatumi | trend: well sarge still hasn't been released yet, still in testing, so it might not be perfect. |
| 07:47.10 | valdyn | trend: it sure removes all old files, the _basic_ system of dist-upgrade works flawless |
| 07:47.20 | Bystander | cronlk: ah... a SCSI drive. |
| 07:47.27 | cron1k | Bystander:ide |
| 07:47.29 | valdyn | trend: individual packages *may* break, that might affect you or not |
| 07:47.35 | z36ra_ | bus 1 device 2 |
| 07:47.36 | Bystander | cronlk: doh. |
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| 07:47.56 | z36ra_ | id 062a:0000 |
| 07:47.58 | nagual | why does apt-get update give me 'Del'? like Del hdparm 5.9-1 [46.9kB] |
| 07:48.10 | z36ra_ | can i use this info to get it working on the Deb box? |
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| 07:48.19 | Bystander | z36ra_: so the mouse works on another linux box, or a win98 box? |
| 07:48.28 | z36ra_ | Knoppix |
| 07:48.35 | z36ra_ | other box |
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| 07:48.56 | streuner | nagual: what command did you use? |
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| 07:49.26 | streuner | nagual: sorry, iam blind today :-) |
| 07:49.28 | z36ra_ | older box, as a matter of fact |
| 07:49.37 | nagual | streuner: ill check exactly i have a script to do that for me :) |
| 07:50.04 | Bystander | z36ra_: good ol' Knoppix. Yeah, you look at the config Knoppix made and figure out what it did. If you don't have 'gpm', I guess it'd be the X config file you want to examine, and maybe save, and copy to your new system and do a 'diff' with its X config file. |
| 07:50.06 | z36ra_ | This one is a p3 the other is Athlon 1700 xp MSI Mobo |
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| 07:50.28 | nagual | /usr/bin/apt-get update && /usr/bin/apt-get -y upgrade >> /root/apt.get-upgrade.log && /usr/bin/apt-get autoclean |
| 07:50.33 | grendal_prime | hey on mozilla install it asks for dsp wrapper? |
| 07:50.42 | yoni | Rahhh... is this the right channel to have a little nood help ? |
| 07:50.55 | nagual | hm. what a crude little script, maybe its time to update that. |
| 07:50.58 | z36ra_ | Yeah, Will do. I think i can figure it out from here. thanx for the help[ |
| 07:50.58 | grendal_prime | if i leave it at non will it basically not let me listen to sound? |
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| 07:51.30 | streuner | nagual: what happens if you use the commands by hand? |
| 07:51.30 | Bystander | z36ra_: I think its in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 07:52.02 | nagual | streuner: its not really a problem, since hdparm is still there, it just started saying so in the last 5-6 weeks, and i dont understand why. |
| 07:52.10 | nagual | streuner: sec, ill try it on another machine. |
| 07:52.21 | z36ra_ | sux that it doesnt automatically detect... have had some other issues though. Yeah it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 07:52.30 | nagual | (yea, i know, i should have done my homework before asking, i just figured some“d know) |
| 07:53.06 | Bystander | cronlk: have a Knoppix CD? |
| 07:53.20 | yoni | Is there another channel for help first step user ? |
| 07:53.30 | streuner | yoni: just ask |
| 07:53.47 | z36ra_ | Bystander: Hey! I just realized. I tried Knoppix on the Athlon a few minutes ago and it didnt work so the config on this machine wont work. |
| 07:53.48 | streuner | yoni: for debian questions, of course. |
| 07:53.50 | Bystander | yoni: this one is OK. |
| 07:53.54 | grendal_prime | well that did it thanks guys |
| 07:53.58 | grendal_prime | mozill aworking now |
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| 07:55.01 | yoni | ok, |
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| 07:55.17 | Bystander | z36ra_: I'm confused. You have an Athlon and a P3, on which the creative USB mouse worked in Knoppix on the Athlon? |
| 07:55.41 | z36ra_ | Yeah i got confused too... hehe. |
| 07:55.42 | steve_ | which server has dvdcss on it |
| 07:55.48 | steve_ | which source |
| 07:55.48 | yoni | my 4th install, i keep stuck at login, when i launch gdm ou kdm = xwindows graphical problem... and the diagnose is... a vcr instruction of use :D |
| 07:55.59 | z36ra_ | Im on the p3 now. this is usually a windows box |
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| 07:56.03 | dserban | steve_, http://apt-get.org |
| 07:56.06 | nagual | streuner: oh its the apt-get autoclean part (of course :) |
| 07:56.15 | nagual | streuner: thanks anyway (its early here btw :) |
| 07:56.16 | streuner | yoni: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:56.21 | steve_ | dserban: thanks |
| 07:56.22 | z36ra_ | my Deb box is upstairs and When i went away the first time I tried knoppix |
| 07:56.30 | z36ra_ | on it |
| 07:56.35 | z36ra_ | didnt work |
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| 07:56.43 | yoni | it is a onboard asus |
| 07:56.45 | z36ra_ | so I came downstairs to try on the p3 |
| 07:56.50 | valdyn | yoni: literal error message please, vague interpretations are useless |
| 07:56.59 | z36ra_ | Im on the p3 right now |
| 07:57.09 | yoni | OUPSSSS another conputer ! it is a soltek onboard |
| 07:57.14 | streuner | yoni: Asus uses nvidia, right? |
| 07:57.20 | Bystander | z36ra_: so which config don't you think will work on which machine? |
| 07:57.29 | steve_ | dserban: what does the line to input look like |
| 07:57.41 | streuner | yoni: you need the chipset of the videocard |
| 07:57.51 | yoni | Valdyn, i'm sorry, but there is a lot of data for irc... i'll read again to find something that look more important than all the blablabla :) |
| 07:58.07 | z36ra_ | Well, why would the config on this p3 work on the Athlon when it's the same boot disk. |
| 07:58.42 | Bystander | z36ra_: which boot disk, Knoppix or the floppy? |
| 07:58.43 | yoni | warning, process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested |
| 07:58.46 | z36ra_ | tried same cdrom on both computers and it worked on p3 but not Athlon |
| 07:58.47 | DebUser | I'm trying to setup my Canon N640P scanner. I've apt-get install sane, I've downloaded and compiled the drivers for it (http://canon-fb330p.sourceforge.net/), but I don't know where to go from here. Any ideas? |
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| 07:59.01 | valdyn | yoni: thats a warning, ignore it |
| 07:59.10 | z36ra_ | man Ive only had 3 beers. |
| 07:59.17 | z36ra_ | I swear |
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| 07:59.26 | yoni | fatal server error; no screen found |
| 07:59.36 | valdyn | !noscreenfound |
| 07:59.51 | yoni | ...yep :) (look like ms messages :DDDD) |
| 07:59.57 | steve_ | for debian, where can I get dvdcss |
| 07:59.59 | maher | DebUser: type xsane and see what hapens |
| 08:00.00 | z36ra_ | thats the thing about text(IRC, Yahoo, e-mail) you never can get your point across. |
| 08:00.01 | steve_ | anyone know |
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| 08:00.20 | Bystander | z36ra_: the Knoppix disk configures itself as it goes, and on some systems it gets hung up. |
| 08:00.30 | z36ra_ | yeah, thats true |
| 08:00.30 | nailbiter | steve_: it's the 'libdvdcss2' package in the Marillat archive |
| 08:00.39 | DebUser | maher: "No devices available", but I think sane has trouble finding parallel port scanners. |
| 08:00.40 | nailbiter | steve_: for further details, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:00.53 | Agrajag- | anyone know if it's possible to stop whatever it is that captures ctrl-alt-F10 and make it so it doesnt' switch to a console? |
| 08:00.54 | yoni | looking at my board spec, it is a vga nothing special in fact |
| 08:01.01 | steve_ | nailbiter: can you write the syntax for that source |
| 08:01.03 | valdyn | !no screens found |
| 08:01.03 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 08:01.18 | nailbiter | steve_: the channel robot will tell you. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:01.23 | maher | DebUser: ok - i dunno about parallel port stuff |
| 08:01.32 | yoni | ok dpkg... how do i get to this file, how do i read it |
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| 08:01.39 | Bystander | z36ra_: anyway, you only need a few lines pertaining to the mouse, not the whole of the Knoppix config. |
| 08:01.52 | z36ra_ | oh yeah i know that. |
| 08:01.55 | nailbiter | yoni: dpkg is a channel robot. :) |
| 08:02.01 | nagual | OMG WHEN IS OPENSSH 4.0 COMING TO SARGE???? |
| 08:02.08 | nagual | (sorry, i just had to) |
| 08:02.09 | nagual | ;-) |
| 08:02.15 | yoni | Hello robot ! LOL |
| 08:02.16 | nailbiter | yoni: you can read it by opening /var/log/XFree86.0.log with your text editor |
| 08:02.29 | valdyn | yoni: grep "(EE)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:02.38 | steve_ | nailbiter: what is the channel robot? |
| 08:02.45 | yoni | Nailbiter... without mouse i'm quit lost, what command shoul i enter ? |
| 08:02.56 | yoni | type ? |
| 08:03.12 | valdyn | yoni: type the above command |
| 08:03.19 | Bystander | z36ra_: so that's what you want to copy from Knoppix to the other system. On my system (not USB mouse) it's 7 lines of config code. |
| 08:03.21 | yoni | ok |
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| 08:03.40 | z36ra_ | Bystander, dont you think it would be a kernel module problem since I get USB errors when the kernel loads? |
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| 08:03.43 | dserban | steve_, you need to use a browser to get to that address, enter your search there. |
| 08:03.54 | steve_ | deserban: thanks |
| 08:04.05 | Bystander | z36ra_: under 'Section "InputDevice"' |
| 08:04.31 | yoni | it says, "bash: type: /var/log/XFree86.0.log : not found |
| 08:04.40 | nailbiter | steve_: type '/msg dpkg marillat' into your IRC client. that'll send 'marillat' to 'dpkg', the channel robot, which will then reply |
| 08:05.04 | steve_ | nailbiter, thanks |
| 08:05.04 | Bystander | z36ra_: Kernel errors? Maybe, depends what they are. |
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| 08:05.13 | yoni | without "type" it says permission denied as i'm logged as root |
| 08:05.21 | valdyn | yoni: cut and paste this : grep "(EE)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:05.48 | valdyn | yoni: sure you need to do this with root permissions |
| 08:06.04 | yoni | ... i'm on 2 computer :D |
| 08:06.06 | Bystander | valdyn: how can he cut n' paste with no mouse? |
| 08:06.14 | yoni | and beleive me, i'm log as root |
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| 08:06.46 | Bystander | z36ra_: what sort of kernel errors? |
| 08:06.50 | cron1k | Bystander:i do have knoppix, ill try that |
| 08:07.08 | valdyn | Bystander: depends on his irc client, or screen or whatever, i dont care |
| 08:07.24 | yoni | ok with grep it says |
| 08:07.33 | z36ra | Bystander: #flood... gimme a sec to copy |
| 08:08.04 | yoni | one warning line the;(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 08:08.22 | yoni | (EE) screen found but non have useable configuration |
| 08:08.39 | Bystander | cronlk: if that works then we know for sure that the drive is debian accessable. |
| 08:08.45 | valdyn | yoni: now : lspci | grep VGA |
| 08:08.51 | z36ra | Bystander: I can post in #flood |
| 08:09.03 | streuner_ | yoni: ok, we need the chipset, see what valdyn told you |
| 08:09.23 | yoni | ok |
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| 08:09.41 | valdyn | yoni: which debian release are you using btw? woody? sarge? |
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| 08:10.01 | yoni | 00:02:0 VGA compatible controler intel-corp : unknow device 2562 (rev 03) |
| 08:10.17 | yoni | woody from CD 3.04r then ftp package |
| 08:10.44 | valdyn | yoni: from which year is your computer? |
| 08:10.55 | yoni | chipset is 845GE |
| 08:11.00 | z36ra | Bystander: I can flood a few lines but here is one... usb 1-2: control timeout on ep0out |
| 08:11.11 | kruzi | man i wish sarge would come stable |
| 08:11.17 | yoni | lol board and cpu are new Soltek sl-85MIR3 |
| 08:11.24 | kruzi | like i know its stable |
| 08:11.28 | yoni | celeron 2.04 |
| 08:11.31 | kruzi | but i mean the current release |
| 08:11.49 | yoni | it seams to me system is set to VESA and i have a VGA |
| 08:11.54 | Bystander | z36ra: ok, I see your #flood data... |
| 08:12.01 | valdyn | yoni: chances are bad to run woodys X on new hardware so |
| 08:12.04 | yoni | i have to change that i guess |
| 08:12.14 | valdyn | !d-i yoni |
| 08:12.15 | dpkg | yoni, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:12.15 | z36ra | that was when i plugged the Creative in with the MS plugged in as well... I think |
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| 08:12.18 | TheZanke | hi |
| 08:12.21 | valdyn | !woody |
| 08:12.21 | dpkg | it has been said that woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 08:12.24 | yoni | i understand valdyn, but my hardware is new :) |
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| 08:12.39 | yoni | thks ... robot, i hate robot ! :D |
| 08:12.48 | valdyn | yoni: which is why woody is probably not righ for you |
| 08:12.49 | yoni | patate toi-meme ! |
| 08:12.51 | TheZanke | how do i run something as a process? instead of seeing it and if i ctrl+c it closes i want it to run in the background |
| 08:12.57 | yoni | ok |
| 08:13.13 | nailbiter | TheZanke: add a '&' after the shell command. for example: 'sleep 1h &' |
| 08:13.14 | yoni | may be i have to explain waht i want to do first ! |
| 08:13.21 | Bystander | z36ra: "device not accepting address 5, error -110"... that's the error you meant, right? |
| 08:13.23 | TheZanke | ty |
| 08:13.27 | nailbiter | TheZanke: if it's already running, you can hit ctrl-z to suspend it, and then follow up with 'bg' to background that |
| 08:13.30 | steve_ | deserban, nailbiter, thanks for the help |
| 08:13.31 | z36ra | yeah |
| 08:13.31 | yoni | i want to set a webserver with sql to mnanage web domain and tikiwiki |
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| 08:13.45 | nailbiter | steve_: have fun. ;-) |
| 08:13.45 | yoni | what linux should i use then ? |
| 08:13.52 | steve_ | trying |
| 08:13.57 | valdyn | yoni: you dont need X for that |
| 08:14.10 | steve_ | nailbiter, I have ubuntu on my laptop and debian on my desktop |
| 08:14.15 | z36ra | Bystander: control timeout looks bad too |
| 08:14.18 | steve_ | trying to get them working good |
| 08:14.45 | yoni | valdyn, with that no for sure, but with me i NEED and graphical interface, no way i get back to prehistorical age of computing :DDDDDD |
| 08:14.48 | z36ra | device discriptor error |
| 08:14.48 | nailbiter | steve_: how's ubuntu so far? (i haven't had a chance to try it myself) |
| 08:15.08 | z36ra | It looks like crap. |
| 08:15.11 | valdyn | yoni: wrong, not having X on a server is the right thing to do |
| 08:15.22 | steve_ | nailbiter: worked well until I did the latest upgrade in Hoary, I had to go back to warty |
| 08:15.22 | valdyn | yoni: and will be in the next years to come ) |
| 08:15.35 | yoni | lol valdyn :) |
| 08:15.35 | steve_ | nailbiter: it got all screwed up |
| 08:15.38 | steve_ | maybe the kernel |
| 08:15.48 | nailbiter | yoni: there are many advantages to not using a GUI on a server. for one, it makes remote administration trivial |
| 08:15.51 | steve_ | nailbiter: what source has transcode in it |
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| 08:15.54 | valdyn | yoni: heck, servers dont even need a display |
| 08:15.57 | nailbiter | steve_: it's also in marillat |
| 08:16.06 | steve_ | really, it would not let me get it |
| 08:16.25 | z36ra | Bystander: So this error is not on the software level with respect to X11. |
| 08:16.27 | nailbiter | steve_: ok, hang on -- i'll go dig out my apt source line for that |
| 08:16.46 | steve_ | nailbiter, thanks |
| 08:16.49 | nailbiter | steve_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 08:16.56 | yoni | guys, i know you are right about server and graphical needs, again, it is ME (the poor human) the problem, i need an interface... |
| 08:16.57 | TheZanke | nailbiter: now how do i stop it |
| 08:17.14 | valdyn | yoni: do you want to admin this server remotely? |
| 08:17.20 | nailbiter | TheZanke: did you want to suspend or kill it? |
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| 08:17.26 | TheZanke | kill |
| 08:17.31 | TheZanke | it is in the bg |
| 08:17.32 | yoni | Valdyn... in a second step yes |
| 08:17.36 | TheZanke | how do i kill it now? |
| 08:17.39 | nailbiter | TheZanke: type 'jobs' to list your background jobs. then 'kill %1', for example, to kill job #1. |
| 08:17.45 | yoni | (take a gun man !) sry |
| 08:17.46 | Bystander | z36ra: might be an X error also. How'd you get the #flood data, 'dmesg | grep usb'? |
| 08:18.08 | steve_ | nailbiter, I have exactly that, and it wont let me get it, something about deps or something |
| 08:18.27 | z36ra | Bystander: I have kwrite open with kern.log |
| 08:18.35 | nailbiter | steve_: ah. are you trying to install transcode on a debian woody system? what dependencies is it complaining about? |
| 08:18.43 | valdyn | yoni: do that as the first step ), you can still run X applicatins remotely, via ssh -X or vnc and display them on your desktop |
| 08:19.15 | steve_ | libdvdread2, and libvoris0 |
| 08:19.21 | Bystander | z36ra: this may sound odd, but have you tried a different USB plug? Most systems have at least two. |
| 08:19.31 | nailbiter | steve_: on a debian woody system? |
| 08:19.32 | z36ra | yeah I tried the others |
| 08:19.35 | yoni | valdyn... i'm not laze, but learning commands take times and times and times... i don;t need to become a unix dude (no offense) |
| 08:19.39 | yoni | lazy |
| 08:19.45 | z36ra | doesnt sound odd to me |
| 08:19.51 | z36ra | hehe |
| 08:19.54 | steve_ | nailbiter, i am not certain, I just installed tonight on my desktop |
| 08:20.02 | nailbiter | steve_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:20.08 | steve_ | cool, hold noe |
| 08:20.10 | steve_ | one |
| 08:20.13 | valdyn | yoni: I understand that, but X on a server will require you to setup things via command line just the same |
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| 08:20.43 | steve_ | nailbiter, it says 3.1 |
| 08:21.05 | z36ra | Bystander: Im pretty good with computers. I even get paid to fix other peoples sometimes... hehe |
| 08:21.06 | yoni | valdyn, ok man not x... whatever interface you want but no keyboard and black and white screen... i need intuitive |
| 08:21.07 | nailbiter | steve_: that's debian sarge/testing. :) |
| 08:21.08 | nailbiter | steve_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 08:21.29 | steve_ | nailbiter, I think I am screwed. it wont let me get it |
| 08:21.29 | yoni | (and no microsoft of course !) |
| 08:21.30 | z36ra | but im no expert with linux |
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| 08:21.39 | steve_ | nailbiter. trying to rip dvds |
| 08:22.07 | Bystander | z36ra: Well, might be the hardware at that. So far we know the creative mouse works with knoppix on a different box... |
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| 08:22.20 | steve_ | nailbiter. cant get mpayer either |
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| 08:22.44 | yoni | you think sarge whould be better for my computer ? |
| 08:22.47 | nailbiter | steve_: can you paste the full error message to #flood? (or http://pastebin.com?) |
| 08:22.54 | steve_ | sure |
| 08:22.55 | streuner_ | yoni: yes, install sarge |
| 08:23.10 | karamelos | hi, I have a annoying "screen flood" situation. I explain further with screenshots in http://sd.sabueso.org/temp/screenflood.html. Help welcome! |
| 08:23.37 | valdyn | yoni: i suppose you want something like webmin, but setting up a server via gui just does not work well on linux, no matter what you do |
| 08:23.41 | streuner_ | yoni: somebody in 'usenet' said 'you'll need 4.3 xfree86 to get fully 845 ge support, so install sarge |
| 08:23.53 | yoni | ok on my way to download it :) |
| 08:24.05 | z36ra | Bystander: yeah. plus I have had other issues on this box. Never could get onboard sound to work. Never got ATI Radeon7200 working. PS2 mouse stopped working even though the mouse works on a different box. |
| 08:24.26 | steve_ | nailbiter, just put my name, error, and enter? |
| 08:24.28 | valdyn | yoni: and webmin doesnt need X either afaik |
| 08:24.32 | z36ra | PS2 mouse was a weird one |
| 08:24.37 | Bystander | z36ra: Just so I'm clear, it works on the Knoppix Athlon, not the P3. Does the P3 have Windows installed, and if so does that see the creative mouse? |
| 08:24.45 | nailbiter | steve_: yes. then paste the URL in here |
| 08:24.50 | z36ra | no, other way around |
| 08:25.14 | yoni | valdyn, again i realy take your word seriously, but as it is a test step (i'm tired of external hosting) i need fisrt to feel it is the right choice... then i guess cmd will become less opaque and i will sleep to terminal... but slowly :) |
| 08:25.22 | steve_ | http://pastebin.com/253671 |
| 08:25.23 | Bystander | z36ra: Knoppix P3 is good, Athlon bad, OK... |
| 08:25.30 | z36ra | MSI with Athlon... thats the one I want to work. P3 with windows... works fine |
| 08:25.53 | Bystander | z36ra: does the Athlon have windows? |
| 08:25.57 | steve_ | nailbiter: ya see it |
| 08:25.59 | z36ra | no |
| 08:26.03 | nailbiter | steve_: that's odd. the copy of transcode that i have actually depends on libvorbis0a, not libvorbis0 |
| 08:26.12 | nailbiter | steve_: can you also paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 08:26.26 | nailbiter | steve_: i assume that this is an actual debian system, and not ubuntu? |
| 08:26.27 | steve_ | sure will |
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| 08:27.11 | Bystander | z36ra: Is the kernel on the Athlon generic, or compiled for any particular chip? |
| 08:27.18 | z36ra | Deb sarge... just upgraded. NVidia video, SBLive, MSI k7t266, half gig ram |
| 08:27.26 | z36ra | generic |
| 08:27.36 | z36ra | athlon kernel |
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| 08:27.46 | z36ra | k7 |
| 08:27.57 | yoni | ? hu you have a ftp for sarge ? (can't find it on debian.de) |
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| 08:28.13 | streuner_ | yoni: just run 'apt-setup' |
| 08:28.26 | streuner_ | yoni: and edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:28.28 | z36ra | Bystander: that was gonna be my next step I havent upgraded the kernel in a while. |
| 08:28.44 | valdyn | !d-i yoni |
| 08:28.44 | dpkg | yoni, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 08:29.24 | streuner_ | valdyn: http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&selm=1fCXp-6rL-3%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=8 |
| 08:29.37 | z36ra | This machine is my webserver so i hate to leave it down for more than a few minutes at a time and I have to reinstall the NVIDA modules every time I upgrade the kernel. |
| 08:29.54 | z36ra | e-mail too |
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| 08:30.19 | z36ra | used to be DNS as well but that was a hassle |
| 08:30.25 | Bystander | z36ra: what it say when you type: x=`cat /proc/version`; echo ${x%%(*} |
| 08:30.35 | yoni | ok thanks all i'll let you know where i get ! :) |
| 08:31.06 | z36ra | Linux version 2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 08:31.10 | streuner_ | !i845 |
| 08:31.10 | dpkg | well, i845 is see i830 |
| 08:31.15 | streuner_ | !i830 |
| 08:31.15 | dpkg | well, i830 is EVIL! You need a custom kernel (built for something other than 80386), then you need xfree86 4.2, then you need the driver from <http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/linux/graphics.htm>, and tell it to use MODVERSIONS=1, and if you can't do that, just give up. Evil! EEEEEEEEE-VIL! |
| 08:32.51 | streuner_ | yoni: i found hardly something useful in usenet, good luck. |
| 08:34.12 | Bystander | z36ra: I have nvidia too, that recompiling IS a pain... did you complie that yourself? I don't see it in my dpkg list... |
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| 08:34.24 | streuner_ | yoni: if that bitch doesn't work with i810 driver, go and look at the intel website, see URL above |
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| 08:34.32 | Bystander | z36ra: compile the kernel (K7) I mean... |
| 08:34.40 | z36ra | The installer compiled it |
| 08:34.44 | z36ra | oh |
| 08:34.54 | sss_lr | hi all |
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| 08:35.11 | JohanP | hi all |
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| 08:35.26 | z36ra | no, it's a package unless my six year old got on here and did it... hehe |
| 08:35.36 | yoni | streuner, ok (meanwhile the dload, i' running another install with bf24) |
| 08:35.39 | JohanP | I it OK to use kernel-source-2.4.24 from unstable on a woody system? |
| 08:35.44 | z36ra | I was just looking at that... one minute |
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| 08:36.21 | valdyn | JohanP: should be fine |
| 08:36.26 | yoni | hey this is not same prompt ! what if ext2, ext3, reiser ? |
| 08:37.06 | JohanP | valdyn: i'll try that then. trying to get hostap to compile |
| 08:37.14 | z36ra | Bystander: it's sarge. do you use srage? |
| 08:37.24 | Bystander | z36ra: I'm loathe to suggest recompiling or switching kernels, but in this case it might be worthwhile. The question is, whether to go up or down... |
| 08:37.49 | Bystander | z36ra: no I use 'unstable'. No USB mice either... |
| 08:37.59 | z36ra | I feel the same way and understand what you mean |
| 08:38.06 | z36ra | sid? |
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| 08:38.53 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:39.05 | amorphix | can you use regex in the hosts.deny file? |
| 08:39.10 | z36ra | I was thinking of trying sid but I didn't want to run into problems since this machine has to run all the time. |
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| 08:39.30 | Bystander | z36ra: I guess it's 'sid' -- I never rememeber those Toy Story names. If it matters I'm running kernel v2.6.9-1-686, it seems OK. |
| 08:39.38 | z36ra | hehe |
| 08:39.43 | amorphix | z36ra i'm running Sid and running all the time, no problems here |
| 08:39.46 | nailbiter | amorphix: regexes, no. wildcards, yes. :) the hosts.deny(5) manual page explains all |
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| 08:39.56 | amorphix | nailbiter ahh thanks :) |
| 08:40.25 | z36ra | amorphix: do you use apache2? |
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| 08:41.33 | amorphix | yeah |
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| 08:43.14 | z36ra | Bystander this image is from Jun-04. amorphix: have you figured out SSL? Is the a good howto for Apache2 around? |
| 08:43.26 | amorphix | been running sid + apache2 for last 5-6 months and never been down or had a single problem |
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| 08:44.10 | amorphix | I do have ssl up too |
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| 08:44.56 | z36ra | amorphix: does your /etc/apache2 have segmented config files? |
| 08:45.27 | amorphix | yup |
| 08:45.33 | prozaknate | how do i set usser permissions? |
| 08:45.52 | Bystander | z36ra: Switching kernels is not a quick fix, (as in what IRC is best at), and also I'm due for me nappy, so good luck and g'night all... |
| 08:45.53 | z36ra | Bystander: I'm gonna try upgrading the kernel and if that wont work I may install sid. |
| 08:45.57 | amorphix | the vhost config handling is a little different to a regular apache2 installation |
| 08:46.26 | z36ra | later Bystander... thanx for the help |
| 08:46.30 | Bystander | z36ra: OK. |
| 08:47.20 | z36ra | amorph: the last time I was able to use ssl was on a Redhat system and it was mostly automatic. I dont know much about it. |
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| 08:48.43 | z36ra | amorph: ok so ssl has to be vhost... I guess my question is ... what do you put in /etc/apache2/ssl? |
| 08:48.51 | amorphix | everytime someone uses a vacuum in the apartment below me it sounds like a jumbo jet is preparing for takeoff |
| 08:49.09 | z36ra | hehe... hope it aint too late. |
| 08:49.26 | takatumi | what generates the cron emails? |
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| 08:49.28 | amorphix | i have nothing in ssl |
| 08:49.35 | SniperX[win] | anyone know howto setup IPMASQ? |
| 08:49.51 | z36ra | amorph: well what the heck is it for? |
| 08:49.57 | amorphix | good question |
| 08:50.02 | z36ra | hehe |
| 08:50.03 | takatumi | or what triggers the emails related to cron? |
| 08:50.14 | amorphix | I'm not using ssl on a regular site tho, so it's possible u may need it |
| 08:50.43 | z36ra | yeah I use default and not vhost |
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| 08:51.15 | z36ra | did you edit the config by hand? |
| 08:51.23 | amorphix | yeah |
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| 08:52.19 | z36ra | yeah me too... it was hard to get used to the segmented config files. I think that ssl is for site ssl config but I dont get the binding |
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| 08:53.00 | z36ra | is your vhost ip based or name based? |
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| 08:54.19 | amorphix | name based |
| 08:55.18 | z36ra | so you created a new config for /etc/apache2/sites-available and linked to ../sites-enabled? |
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| 08:55.31 | amorphix | ya |
| 08:56.07 | z36ra | how did you set up ssl? in the config? |
| 08:56.12 | amorphix | i didnt |
| 08:56.22 | amorphix | i dont use ssl in regular websites |
| 08:56.39 | SniperX[win] | anyone know howto setup IPMASQ? |
| 08:56.49 | z36ra | where do you use it and what do you mean by "regular"? |
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| 08:57.06 | TheZanke | nailbiter: i want to start the jedi academy server in the background to where if i close ssh it wont close the server... how do i do that? |
| 08:57.13 | amorphix | i use it for Interchange and webmin |
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| 08:57.26 | SniperX[win] | anyone know howto setup IPMASQ? |
| 08:57.52 | amorphix | I'm gonna install openssl shortly |
| 08:57.59 | tarheelcoxn | SniperX[win]: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 08:58.02 | z36ra | Well webmin has it's own server... never heard of Interchange. |
| 08:58.34 | amorphix | Interchange is RedHat's marvellous E-commerce enabled CMS |
| 08:58.55 | toresbe | amorphix: sarcasm? |
| 08:59.02 | amorphix | no, endorsement |
| 08:59.11 | toresbe | ah |
| 08:59.23 | amorphix | toresbe you like IC too? |
| 08:59.24 | toresbe | amorphix: Hard to tell... This *is* #debian ;) |
| 08:59.27 | amorphix | heh |
| 08:59.32 | z36ra | sounds like an endorsement to me... hehe |
| 08:59.35 | toresbe | amorphix: never tried it |
| 09:00.54 | amorphix | well back to work, later guys |
| 09:01.00 | z36ra | amorph: now that sparks my interest. I have been wanting to sell online. Is that what Interchange can do for you? |
| 09:01.28 | z36ra | later amorph... have a good one. |
| 09:01.31 | tarheelcoxn | CMS = Content Management system? |
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| 09:03.06 | z36ra | #debian is kinda dead tonight. Guess everyone is out partying on a Friday night |
| 09:03.44 | toresbe | Sat Mar 12 10:03:45 CET 2005 |
| 09:03.53 | raghu | ;) |
| 09:04.27 | tarheelcoxn | 04:05 EST |
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| 09:05.40 | z36ra | 03:04 CNT here. |
| 09:05.40 | z36ra | ok now its 03:05 |
| 09:05.45 | z36ra | What is CMS? |
| 09:05.52 | tarheelcoxn | that was my question |
| 09:05.58 | tarheelcoxn | nobody answered it |
| 09:06.09 | z36ra | I'll find out... brb |
| 09:06.10 | cahoot | z36ra: ok so the concept of earth being spherical reestablished |
| 09:06.18 | tarheelcoxn | maybe Client Management System |
| 09:06.48 | Nigel | Content management System |
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| 09:07.06 | tarheelcoxn | Nigel: thanks |
| 09:07.17 | tarheelcoxn | that was my other guess, honest ;) |
| 09:07.29 | p3l3 | hi how can i install debian on a raid 1 system |
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| 09:08.14 | z36ra | cahoot: hehe... was that a followup on my time joke? |
| 09:08.45 | redduck666 | can i use a repository that was meant to be used with woody if i'm in sarge? |
| 09:08.46 | tarheelcoxn | p3l3: I think you should install with raid turned off and then add raid support |
| 09:08.51 | Nigel | hmmmm its 2208 here |
| 09:09.02 | z36ra | tarheel: yeah i think thats it... no def found yet but thats close enough for me. |
| 09:09.06 | thief_grr | can anyone recommend what (or "a way") to install for a system who's sole purpose is audio recording/audio&midi playback? |
| 09:09.22 | thief_grr | i tried demudi yesterday but it refused to install on my system :( |
| 09:09.34 | cahoot | thief_grr: might look at the agnula project |
| 09:09.40 | cahoot | doh |
| 09:09.42 | thief_grr | ;) |
| 09:09.52 | p3l3 | but he didn't find any hdd on the raid controller |
| 09:09.59 | z36ra | redduck: Ive used repository for sid when in sarge so i dont see why not. |
| 09:10.22 | thief_grr | also, 650M iso image for such a system seem a very lot to me, i suspect even demudi is overloaded with useless stuff.. |
| 09:10.25 | redduck666 | z36rathanks |
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| 09:12.00 | tarheelcoxn | right quick: anybody know what config file I edit if I want to boot right into fluxbox without gdm (or any display manager)? /etc/.....? |
| 09:12.02 | cahoot | thief_grr: as I understand it the crucial part is getting a real time low latency kernel - 2.6.11 + Ingo Molnars patch |
| 09:12.20 | z36ra | you are talking about the package repository? running woody packages on sarge? |
| 09:12.23 | Patad | hi |
| 09:12.26 | z36ra | doh! |
| 09:12.40 | z36ra | stolen ---^ |
| 09:12.47 | thief_grr | cahoot: latency is not really a problem since i dont think i'll be using software synths.. |
| 09:12.57 | thief_grr | cahoot: but it would be nice to have ;) |
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| 09:13.29 | Patad | mysql doesnt work after i updated to sarge |
| 09:13.58 | thief_grr | after getting frustrated with demudi, i thought of installing the "normal" debian.. |
| 09:14.11 | thief_grr | but when i went to the site to download the iso, i didn't know which one to get |
| 09:14.55 | tarheelcoxn | somebody had a raid question: |
| 09:14.59 | tarheelcoxn | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/raidtools2.html |
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| 09:15.10 | z36ra | thief: what's your system layout? |
| 09:15.24 | z36ra | hardware |
| 09:15.37 | thief_grr | z36ra: i386 with 3 ide hard discs, one of them sata, 2g ram |
| 09:15.54 | thief_grr | btw, the sata was completely ignored by debian |
| 09:16.46 | z36ra | i386? |
| 09:16.50 | tarheelcoxn | p3l3: did that help? |
| 09:17.02 | raghu | hi all ;) |
| 09:17.03 | thief_grr | z36ra: pentium 4 2.8 |
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| 09:17.54 | thief_grr | cahoot: is there a debian "version" that uses the kernel you said + the patch you siad by default? |
| 09:18.04 | cahoot | thief_grr: no |
| 09:18.05 | p3l3 | don't know i think i will add the raid support later after normal installation |
| 09:18.19 | thief_grr | damn |
| 09:18.25 | cahoot | thief_grr: far to 'unstable' |
| 09:18.32 | thief_grr | ouch |
| 09:18.37 | raghu | i have debain stable ......i want to install python2.3.4....but it ships with python2.2 how to solve this problem |
| 09:18.39 | thief_grr | then i dont really want it my self i suppose |
| 09:19.33 | z36ra | thief: thats what I thought. can I ask if it is for a professional audio studio? |
| 09:20.37 | TheZanke | i want to start the jedi academy server in the background to where if i close ssh it wont close the server... how do i do that? |
| 09:21.00 | p3l3 | how can i change the ip adress when debian is runnig. i install a gameserver for lan-parties and have changing ip-adresses |
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| 09:21.29 | thief_grr | z36ra: id like prof. quality |
| 09:21.36 | thief_grr | z36ra: why? |
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| 09:21.54 | thief_grr | z36ra: it's a transfer from win/cubase to opensource... |
| 09:22.15 | EvanCarroll | raghu: upgrade to testing |
| 09:22.38 | z36ra | thief: Im just curious and trying to get a feel fro what your asking. |
| 09:23.12 | thief_grr | ok;) |
| 09:23.48 | thief_grr | if there is an irrel. distro with debian, which would be appropriate for my case, please feel free to recomment it as well |
| 09:25.35 | z36ra | thief: I have also been thinking about that lately. Ive come to the conclusion that G5 is the way to go for preffesional work but it's expensive. Would be nice if there were really good open source suites. |
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| 09:25.53 | z36ra | my speeling sux tonight |
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| 09:26.00 | thief_grr | z36ra: and what about OS ? |
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| 09:26.07 | z36ra | OSX |
| 09:26.13 | z36ra | duh |
| 09:26.24 | z36ra | hehe... just kidding |
| 09:26.30 | thief_grr | z36ra: ;) |
| 09:26.49 | thief_grr | z36ra: so what os would u think for an open system (forget about mac for a sec) |
| 09:26.57 | thief_grr | z36ra: aka what linux distro |
| 09:26.59 | thief_grr | ;P |
| 09:27.09 | z36ra | yeah I have been looking at g5 and I really like it... im saving up the lettuce to get me one. |
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| 09:27.28 | nagual | debian has a ppc port :) |
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| 09:27.45 | nagual | TTT_: where is .lt? |
| 09:27.49 | z36ra | thief: for open source, Debian. Brutha. |
| 09:27.50 | nagual | lithuania? |
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| 09:28.15 | thief_grr | z36ra: and which of the debian isos should i get for install? |
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| 09:28.31 | thief_grr | z36ra: i'm not a debian user, btw.. |
| 09:28.43 | thief_grr | z36ra: in fact this would be my first linux installation |
| 09:28.58 | z36ra | thief: well i am on Sarge so I am biased but these other folk think Sid is great... |
| 09:29.24 | tarheelcoxn | z36ra, thief_grr: my vote is for sarge as well |
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| 09:29.28 | thief_grr | the demudi procedure had problems formatting the partitions as ext3, it could not mount them afterwards |
| 09:29.45 | z36ra | thief: one thing... dont download any more cd's if youre going to use Debian... it's a waste of time... just get the net install disks. |
| 09:30.09 | thief_grr | sarge? sid? i saw 3 "unofficial" pages in the debian website, for small isos that would do a "net install" |
| 09:30.10 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: amen to the netinst CD |
| 09:30.21 | thief_grr | yes that's what i was asking for |
| 09:30.26 | z36ra | sid=unstable sarge=testing |
| 09:30.29 | thief_grr | but unfortunately debian has lots of them |
| 09:30.30 | Ftroop | sarge worked great for me :) |
| 09:30.35 | thief_grr | ummmm |
| 09:30.40 | acollins | I've just installed the latest fontconfig in unstable. it should fix the problem where autohinting could not be selected, but I'm still having trouble. |
| 09:30.41 | thief_grr | both unstable and testing sound unstable ot me |
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| 09:30.49 | acollins | does anyone know how to get it working again? |
| 09:30.49 | AlexW | hey guys |
| 09:31.01 | AlexW | ive installed php4-mysql and php4-cli |
| 09:31.12 | mirak | fuck IBM ... |
| 09:31.13 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: unstable means lots of packages are broken (ie. dependencies missing) |
| 09:31.16 | AlexW | now... mysql works fine with php4 but with cli i cant get mysql working |
| 09:31.16 | AlexW | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /home/alexw/SmartIRC-0.5.5/examples/example.php on line 86 |
| 09:31.28 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: testing means mostly working |
| 09:31.31 | thief_grr | tarheelcoxn: ok, i want to stay stable |
| 09:31.34 | z36ra | thief: the good thing about sarge and sid are that you get newer packages (the latest and the greatest). |
| 09:31.37 | thief_grr | what netinst should i get? |
| 09:31.46 | thief_grr | hmmm |
| 09:31.49 | Ftroop | sarge lol |
| 09:31.57 | thief_grr | but i could install them by hand, no? |
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| 09:32.09 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: you have a pentium processor? |
| 09:32.14 | thief_grr | yes |
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| 09:32.19 | z36ra | thief: I use the floppy disks. |
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| 09:32.39 | TTT_ | hi, I have a lossy network connection (~10% packet loss), and TCP is terrible at recovering from a packet loss. I have a Linux router on both sides of the lossy connection, is there any way I could make things better. Tunnel TCP over some protocol that handles packet loss better? |
| 09:32.40 | thief_grr | z36ra: my floppy's kinda lunatic nowadays.. |
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| 09:33.26 | p3l3 | how can i delete a file? |
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| 09:33.46 | mirak | p3l3: ? |
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| 09:33.52 | thief_grr | p3l3: rm file |
| 09:34.03 | z36ra | ok lemme find you a link to cdrom image. |
| 09:34.06 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:34.21 | thief_grr | tarheelcoxn: isn't "devel" there a hint for "not stable" ? |
| 09:34.24 | tarheelcoxn | z36ra: I got it |
| 09:34.36 | z36ra | ok |
| 09:34.41 | p3l3 | thx sry i'm a linux-beginner |
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| 09:35.03 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: well, how much functionality do you want? |
| 09:35.14 | vma | ofcourse if you use some graphical file browser you most likely can push delete button on your keyboard ;) |
| 09:35.29 | thief_grr | tarheelcoxn: priorities are stable, functional, whatever, secure |
| 09:35.30 | tarheelcoxn | I'm running sarge, and I've managed to hang the system ONCE in two years |
| 09:35.40 | z36ra | tarheel: you must have that link memorized... hehe |
| 09:35.47 | Ftroop | thief_grr sarge |
| 09:35.49 | tarheelcoxn | and I was messing with ndiswrapper |
| 09:35.58 | vma | i'm running sid and bored of those software updates |
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| 09:36.05 | tarheelcoxn | z36ra: actually I burned a copy yesterday |
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| 09:36.15 | tarheelcoxn | I just installed sarge on a friend's laptop |
| 09:36.16 | z36ra | that was next thought |
| 09:36.21 | Ftroop | its still seems a hell of alot more stable than a lot of distros |
| 09:36.21 | tarheelcoxn | he pronounced it dead |
| 09:36.26 | vma | youre getting newest software but when some hole is fixed you have to upgrade like 200 packages |
| 09:36.27 | tarheelcoxn | I revived it |
| 09:36.27 | mirak | p3l3: man rm but be carefull |
| 09:36.39 | thief_grr | is there any other distro i could consider using? please be !biased.. |
| 09:36.39 | vma | and that ofcourse doesn't work and some services halt and other wont upgrade etc :) |
| 09:36.53 | takatumi | thief_grr: is it a production server? |
| 09:36.55 | vma | and running stable... ... don't have to mention anything about old software do i :) |
| 09:37.07 | thief_grr | takatumi: no it's a music workstation as in a studio audio recording.. |
| 09:37.42 | takatumi | thief_grr: I would recommend d-i with 2.6 and ALSA (YMMV) |
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| 09:37.47 | thief_grr | vma: but i can install newer software by hand |
| 09:38.01 | takatumi | !d-i thief_grr |
| 09:38.02 | dpkg | thief_grr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:38.18 | Ftroop | lol |
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| 09:38.58 | z36ra | tarheel: amazing how people will assume things. I was just fixing this guys computer the other day... eth light on dsl wouldnt light up. I was still hesitent to condemn the NIC but thats what it turned out to be. I booted Knoppix... if it dont work in KNoppix... it's dead (for the most part) |
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| 09:39.25 | HighPingedLPB | p3l3: this might be helpful to you: http://nun.oit.unc.edu/basic_unix.html |
| 09:39.31 | tarheelcoxn | knoppix is my hero! |
| 09:39.38 | tarheelcoxn | that's what I use, too |
| 09:40.01 | tarheelcoxn | and with that, I must leave. I have to shave and get to work |
| 09:40.14 | tarheelcoxn | thief_grr: best of luck with your netinst |
| 09:40.19 | thief_grr | tarheelcoxn: thanks |
| 09:40.24 | thief_grr | tarheelcoxn: hope it goes better than demudi |
| 09:40.26 | tarheelcoxn | I give sarge an emphatic indorsement |
| 09:40.33 | tarheelcoxn | ciao! |
| 09:40.35 | p3l3 | how can i change the ip adress when debian is runnig. i install a gameserver for lan-parties |
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| 09:41.09 | vma | windows xp on bootable cd that would mount my documents over internet would be nice ;) |
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| 09:41.36 | z36ra | vma... hehe |
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| 09:42.07 | z36ra | windows=bend over and lemme me see what else we can screw. |
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| 09:42.49 | p3l3 | how can i change the ip adress when debian is runnig. i install a gameserver for lan-parties |
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| 09:43.31 | z36ra | p3l3: do you want the KDE way? |
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| 09:44.16 | p3l3 | no kde uses too much performance (not installed) |
| 09:44.21 | HighPingedLPB | p3l3: http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20040413.ars/2 |
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| 09:44.58 | thief_grr | thanks for ur time/help people. |
| 09:45.00 | zyg | my computer's memory is 217,and when just the xwindows runs, 212M of if will be used.is this normal, or should i have to rise my laptop's memory? |
| 09:45.21 | Ftroop | is there a java re to install with apt-get or do you have to download it for your browser? |
| 09:45.22 | thief_grr | zyg: use another window manager |
| 09:45.37 | zyg | for example? |
| 09:45.40 | EvanCarroll | !java |
| 09:45.40 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 09:45.47 | thief_grr | zyg: windowmaker if yoou like fancy things |
| 09:45.48 | EvanCarroll | !install java |
| 09:45.48 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 09:45.51 | thief_grr | zyg: wm2 if you don't |
| 09:46.20 | Ftroop | :) cheers |
| 09:46.43 | p3l3 | damn i'm a linux NOOB!! |
| 09:46.58 | streuner | !noob |
| 09:46.58 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:47.18 | z36ra | HighPinged: I dont do network much... so he would edit /etc/network/interfaces then ifdown and the ifup? |
| 09:47.32 | streuner | p3l3: don't whine here, just install debian |
| 09:47.42 | HighPingedLPB | ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
| 09:48.08 | HighPingedLPB | p3l3: |
| 09:48.10 | p3l3 | it is installed with minimum requiments |
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| 09:48.38 | z36ra | p3l3: we got your answer----^ |
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| 09:48.51 | z36ra | know how to vi? |
| 09:49.10 | p3l3 | yes i know vi |
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| 09:49.30 | z36ra | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:49.45 | xxenon | nfs question : I have a partition X mounted in directory Y (locally). A client mounts Y via NFS, but cannot see what's mounted in X. Any clue ? |
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| 09:50.03 | oskie | is 'Preempt The Big Kernel Lock (PREEMPT_BKL)' safe? |
| 09:50.37 | helix | The Big Kernel Lock sounds like a movie name |
| 09:50.50 | p3l3 | z36ra: that is that i wanna know! |
| 09:50.58 | p3l3 | thanks |
| 09:51.16 | z36ra | Thank HighPinged |
| 09:51.36 | brimstone | i'm currently running 2.6.8-1-686, and i can't apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, it says that my boot drive, /dev/hda1 isn't a valid block device |
| 09:51.41 | brimstone | how do i correct this? |
| 09:51.59 | z36ra | xxenon: permissions of X must be wrong? anyone agree? |
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| 09:52.06 | takatumi | oskie: CONFIG_PREEMPT_BKL=y works here. |
| 09:52.07 | Opty | How do i search for packages with apt-get? |
| 09:52.19 | z36ra | damn! I'm getting to be a professional... hehe |
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| 09:52.41 | xxenon | z36ra - I double checked that...it's 777 now |
| 09:52.43 | brimstone | Opty, use apt-cache search <package name> |
| 09:53.15 | Opty | brimstone - thanks, I knew it was something like that :) |
| 09:53.43 | takatumi | Opty: or aptitude |
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| 09:54.59 | HighPingedLPB | brimstone: thanks, too.. didn't know about that |
| 09:55.02 | Opty | takatumi - i didnt know of this, thanks this is a help. |
| 09:55.06 | HighPingedLPB | been using packages.debian.org for searching |
| 09:55.20 | brimstone | sure thing Opty and HighPingedLPB |
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| 09:56.16 | z36ra | xxenon: I think I did this once. The way i did it was I created a user share on the partition. did the 777 work? |
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| 09:56.56 | themusic1od1 | apt-get install import doesn't bring anything up, is there another way to get a screenshot under icewm? |
| 09:57.00 | xxenon | z36ra - 777 does not work |
| 09:57.19 | xxenon | z36ra - if the client creates a file on X, it's actually created in the unmounted directory |
| 09:57.30 | xxenon | so, I doubt it's a permission problm |
| 09:57.32 | xxenon | +e |
| 09:57.53 | Araldit | Is it posible to monitor my vsftpd from a gui of some kind? Or should I make a gui myself? |
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| 09:58.31 | z36ra | xxenon: what does /etc/fstab have for that part? |
| 09:58.43 | HighPingedLPB | themolester: gimp takes screenshots |
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| 09:59.05 | HighPingedLPB | erm.. |
| 09:59.14 | HighPingedLPB | themusic1od1: gimp takes screenshots |
| 09:59.20 | xxenon | z36ra - /dev/hdb2 /mnt/data/private ext3 auto,user 0 0 |
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| 10:00.35 | xxenon | z36ra - the client an empty "private". The nfs-shared dir is "/mnt/data" |
| 10:00.44 | themusic1od1 | HighPingedLPB: ok I'll try that |
| 10:00.52 | xxenon | z36ra - the client sees an empty "private". The nfs-shared dir is "/mnt/data" |
| 10:01.01 | z36ra | xxenon: what about /etc/exports? |
| 10:01.10 | oskie | i want to implement software RAID5 over SATA in linux...should I go for md, EVMS or something else? |
| 10:01.11 | Opty | using apt-get, how would i 'install' a package that would install php and fix up the apache config to make it work? |
| 10:01.23 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm writing a bash script and got confused a bit.. I can use such commands successfully: = $arg (means if equal to $arg), != $arg (means if NOT equal to $arg).. But how should I write if I need 'is more than $arg' or 'is less than $arg'? |
| 10:01.27 | xxenon | z36ra - /mnt/data 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw) |
| 10:01.32 | HighPingedLPB | themusic1od1: as far as something that is only for screenshots.. I haven't really looked into anything like that.. but gimp will work.. and do a lot more |
| 10:01.39 | z36ra | xxenon: add rw to options in /etc/fstab |
| 10:02.03 | z36ra | or ro |
| 10:02.05 | xxenon | z36ra - lemme see |
| 10:02.26 | z36ra | I think youll have to remount. |
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| 10:03.02 | xxenon | z36ra - yeah...and I cant seem to be able to umount it now .. |
| 10:03.24 | z36ra | xxenon: does it say it's in use? |
| 10:03.37 | xxenon | z36ra - yeah..sec...I can fix that. |
| 10:03.44 | z36ra | there ya go |
| 10:04.11 | z36ra | you have to back out of the mount if your in consol too. |
| 10:04.17 | z36ra | cd |
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| 10:05.55 | z36ra | also make sure you use the mount name thats in /etc/fstab |
| 10:06.16 | xxenon | z36ra - I checked all that...no success.. |
| 10:07.19 | z36ra | restart nfs |
| 10:07.44 | xxenon | nothing ... |
| 10:07.48 | z36ra | I dunno man |
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| 10:08.01 | xxenon | Im accessing the umounted /private subdir... |
| 10:08.07 | xxenon | np, thx anyway. |
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| 10:08.13 | Borszczuk | hi |
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| 10:09.38 | peet | i can't seem to install pypanel =\ |
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| 10:10.00 | z36ra | xxenon: you have differnt paths in fstab and exports |
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| 10:11.41 | lewis | when i try to 'apt-get upgrade', a few packages are held back, how can I see why? |
| 10:12.39 | xxenon | z36ra - yes, Im mounting /mnt/data , and logically, I could access the /private subdir |
| 10:12.53 | xxenon | which is another hard disc, mounted. |
| 10:12.54 | peet | anyone know how i can install pypanel? |
| 10:13.02 | EvanCarroll | peet: #python maybe? |
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| 10:13.35 | tag | I'm trying to mount an image I pulled off a cdrom with the loop device, getting this error: |
| 10:13.38 | tag | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.45 | EvanCarroll | tag: try iso9660 |
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| 10:13.55 | EvanCarroll | udf is more common among cds |
| 10:13.57 | EvanCarroll | err |
| 10:13.58 | EvanCarroll | dvds |
| 10:13.59 | tag | aha |
| 10:14.02 | tag | it worked |
| 10:14.02 | netgod | lewis: issue an "apt-get install " for each package, it will then tell you what additional packages need to be installed, which is why upgrade didn't do this automatically; to upgrade everything, and install new packages automatically, use "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 10:14.03 | tag | fancy that |
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| 10:17.56 | lewis | netgod: thank you, I am using apache 1.3. I did a 'apt-get install apache', and it wanted to installed two new packages: apache2-utils, and libapr0 - why apache2-utils? |
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| 10:20.07 | Borszczuk | lewis: read description of apache2-utils package and you find out ;) |
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| 10:20.20 | netgod | lewis: heh no idea, i'd say check the changelogs after its installed |
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| 10:21.03 | lewis | heh - when I try to upgrade apache-utils, it says 'apache2-utils' needs to be installed - will try to read the description now |
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| 10:21.27 | brosio | anyone known if exist a program to regulate cpu fan speed under linux ? |
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| 10:22.13 | lewis | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/apache2-utils - can't see anything about dependencies to apache 1.3 |
| 10:22.27 | Borszczuk | brosio: is you hardware capable of regulating CPU fan speed? |
| 10:22.38 | EvanCarroll | lewis: a better way to do that would be apt-cache rdepends file1 file2 |
| 10:23.05 | netgod | lewis: its apache 1.3 that has the dependencies |
| 10:23.10 | Borszczuk | lewis: it doesn't need to. Apache1.3 does depend on apache2-utils |
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| 10:23.23 | brosio | Borszczuk, yes |
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| 10:24.12 | Borszczuk | brosio: tried google with query like "<your motherboard name> linux fan speed" or so? |
| 10:24.13 | EvanCarroll | Borszczuk: why would apache1.3 depend on apache2-utils |
| 10:24.19 | lewis | Borszczuk: yeh, why? |
| 10:24.23 | EvanCarroll | Borszczuk: where are you readin ghits |
| 10:25.29 | EvanCarroll | Borszczuk: apt-cache search depends apache | grep apache2; returns nothing |
| 10:25.43 | InitMass | any idea why firefox refuse to open while xmms is paused but can open when it's playing or stopped? must be some kind of strange bug. i didn't think that firefox was sound dependant |
| 10:25.52 | lewis | hmm.... |
| 10:25.52 | Borszczuk | lewis: apache2-utils, contains some common utils. So it may be just not-the-best name of it |
| 10:26.06 | lewis | but, there is a apache-utils too |
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| 10:26.39 | Borszczuk | there may be also a mistake in Depends: errare humanum est ;) |
| 10:27.02 | EvanCarroll | the mistake would show up through depends though |
| 10:27.04 | EvanCarroll | which it isn't |
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| 10:27.37 | netgod | it sounds like something the apache maintainer would do, if apache is becoming deprecated (which is true) and apache2-utils are an upwardly-compatible set of progs |
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| 10:27.53 | netgod | check README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/apache |
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| 10:28.30 | EvanCarroll | Ill upgrade to apache2, when it works with mod-perl, and |
| 10:28.51 | DebUser | For some reason Ark (the archiving tool) doesn't allow me to view zipped files over a network. i.e. I have a fileserver (Samba, running on CC 2.0, soon Debian 3.1 :)). Any ideas whether this is an error on my part, or hasn't this been implemented yet? |
| 10:28.51 | EvanCarroll | or more preferably when they comeout with an apache2-perl package |
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| 10:29.09 | lewis | when will they stop supporting apache 1.3? |
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| 10:29.27 | lewis | should I just go ahead and install apache2-utils? |
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| 10:30.00 | EvanCarroll | lewis: i would say no |
| 10:30.02 | knt | while trying to compile a tarball, taking "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables" error. which package should i have to cope with this? |
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| 10:30.24 | EvanCarroll | lewis: unless your not planning on using perl at all |
| 10:30.29 | netgod | knt: quick sanity check: do you even have a c++ compiler? |
| 10:30.57 | EvanCarroll | !tell knt about build-essentials |
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| 10:31.05 | netgod | lewis: i would say install it, since it does no damage and you don't have to install apache2; thats the point of there being a separate apache2-utils package |
| 10:31.41 | knt | netgod, i have cpp, cpp-2.95, cpp-3.3, cpp-3.4 packages. |
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| 10:31.46 | z36ra_ | xxenon: cat /proc/mounts. |
| 10:32.11 | mathieu_ | knt, that's not the c++ compiler |
| 10:32.18 | mathieu_ | knt, g++ |
| 10:32.30 | xxenon | z36ra_ - on the server ? |
| 10:32.55 | knt | mathieu_, sorry for the mess. yes you're right. |
| 10:32.55 | netgod | knt: thats great if you need a C preprocessor, but for C++ you'll want to install g++ |
| 10:33.04 | knt | netgod, thanks for your help too. i'm just a little bit confused. |
| 10:33.24 | lewis | ok - installing now |
| 10:33.45 | z36ra_ | yeah |
| 10:34.18 | z36ra_ | is the mount listed? |
| 10:34.27 | lewis | thanks for your help |
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| 10:37.45 | helix | netgod: are you the real netgod? |
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| 10:38.15 | netgod | helix: the very same |
| 10:38.16 | Borszczuk | I got a script invoked via inetd. How do I find out the IP address of the invoiking party? |
| 10:38.20 | forget | 大家儽ļ¼ęäŗŗēØhiweedēå? |
| 10:38.36 | helix | netgod: people wonder what happened to you sometimes |
| 10:39.02 | netgod | helix: sometimes I wonder that myself |
| 10:39.15 | forget | who can input chinese??? |
| 10:39.29 | netgod | helix: ask me something |
| 10:39.35 | helix | what's your first name? |
| 10:39.41 | netgod | helix: johnie |
| 10:39.45 | helix | good enough for me |
| 10:39.48 | netgod | heh |
| 10:39.53 | Borszczuk | ;) |
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| 10:40.25 | netgod | its been a while; i need to shake the dust off the old neural pathways that were devoted to debian expertise |
| 10:40.36 | netgod | thankfully i finally have the time and resources to do that |
| 10:40.49 | helix | so you might become a DD again? |
| 10:40.58 | z36ra | I gotta go... later all... sorry I couldnt help xxenon. adios! |
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| 10:41.10 | netgod | if not a developer, then at least a promoter |
| 10:41.17 | helix | you could maintain PHP |
| 10:41.34 | peterS | now that's just mean |
| 10:41.36 | netgod | i dont like php :P |
| 10:41.54 | togs | hi all, got a query about the debian testing installer. is that the old one or the new one? |
| 10:41.54 | simonrvn | that's almost like cursing someone |
| 10:42.01 | helix | it was vorlon's idea |
| 10:42.02 | helix | not mine |
| 10:42.05 | peterS | poor infinity. I don't even think *he* likes php |
| 10:42.09 | netgod | PHP is orphaned? |
| 10:42.14 | helix | netgod: heh, nah |
| 10:42.17 | peterS | no, infinity still has it |
| 10:42.21 | helix | just driving everyone who maintains it batshit insane |
| 10:42.33 | netgod | now that i believe |
| 10:42.56 | peterS | he's having an argument with upstream about supporting the threaded apache2 model properly |
| 10:43.03 | peterS | they'd rather just not |
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| 10:43.12 | netgod | hmpf |
| 10:43.20 | peterS | like, they'd rather go back to CGI |
| 10:43.25 | helix | haha |
| 10:43.28 | peterS | seriously |
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| 10:43.41 | peterS | or FastCGI, whose apache bindings happen to be non-free, so that's fun |
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| 10:43.50 | jc-denton | php5 packages for debian would be good.. |
| 10:43.53 | helix | php isn't very interesting |
| 10:44.00 | netgod | if it was fastcgi that might work -- to be fair, thats essentially what java does, so theres a precedent |
| 10:44.02 | jc-denton | probably |
| 10:44.06 | jc-denton | but a lot of software uses it |
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| 10:44.13 | unicode | hi |
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| 10:44.21 | unicode | i installed debian |
| 10:44.28 | unicode | and also apt-get install kde |
| 10:44.30 | netgod | just write a "php connector" and forget the apache2 api support |
| 10:44.34 | unicode | but startx doesnt work |
| 10:44.35 | peterS | netgod: indeed, deep integration into apache itself probably isn't needed. too bad the apache fastcgi bindings *are* non-free. and too bad nobody seems terribly interested in reimplementing them |
| 10:44.49 | unicode | can somebody help me pls? |
| 10:44.59 | simonrvn | just ask |
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| 10:45.09 | helix | I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what to ask |
| 10:45.15 | netgod | define "doesnt work" |
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| 10:45.28 | helix | "X doesn't work" -> "X doesn't start and I have no idea why, please give me a clue!" |
| 10:45.44 | simonrvn | we need more info to have a clue |
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| 10:45.49 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:45.55 | togs | got a query about the debian testing installer. is that the old installer or the new one? |
| 10:45.55 | vladkao | helix: those were exaples of what to ask? ;-) |
| 10:45.58 | helix | unicode: we need to know your video card at the very least :) |
| 10:46.00 | helix | vladkao: no |
| 10:46.05 | vladkao | helix: j/k |
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| 10:46.07 | helix | togs: new one |
| 10:46.17 | togs | brilliant :) |
| 10:46.30 | simonrvn | b-f has a rep... |
| 10:46.40 | DebUser | Ah I seem to have really badly stuffed up my ALSA volume settings, is there any way I can reset them? |
| 10:46.46 | helix | "OMFG POSESSED BY DEMONS THE SKY IS FALLING GAAAAAAAAAAH" |
| 10:46.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:47.00 | togs | whats the minimum number of cds I need to dl to install testing? |
| 10:47.02 | jc-denton | lol |
| 10:47.09 | DebUser | togs: 1 |
| 10:47.14 | simonrvn | 1, or 3 floppies |
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| 10:47.30 | netgod | heh, i hope linux hasnt gotten so bloated it doesnt fit in 650MB |
| 10:47.42 | togs | great |
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| 10:48.09 | simonrvn | netgod: not debian. an almost bare bones install on ppc is about 250 mb with x, vim, mc, and some network utils |
| 10:48.12 | togs | what's on the other ones? couldn't you just apt-get the rest anyway? |
| 10:48.36 | simonrvn | netgod: base, plus the things i mentioned (after the dselect run) |
| 10:48.47 | simonrvn | togs: sure |
| 10:48.51 | SniperX[win] | does anyone know howto setup ipmasq using iptables ect, or share the connection to the internet(on eth0) over eth1? |
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| 10:49.01 | unicode | how do i install kde |
| 10:49.01 | simonrvn | aptitude, dselect, apt-get, ... |
| 10:49.01 | unicode | ?? |
| 10:49.13 | simonrvn | unicode: aptitude install kde |
| 10:49.14 | DebUser | unicode: apt-get install kde |
| 10:49.23 | unicode | and how do i start it? |
| 10:49.39 | DebUser | unicode: have you gotten X working yet? |
| 10:49.43 | unicode | no |
| 10:49.52 | DebUser | unicode: you might want to do that first :) |
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| 10:49.56 | togs | are there checksums for BT ISO dls? |
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| 10:50.16 | unicode | DebUser, how do i start x? |
| 10:50.16 | t31 | hi, any nice backport for sarge? :) |
| 10:50.19 | unicode | startx doenst work |
| 10:50.26 | visual_ | i got real big problem |
| 10:50.31 | unicode | i worked with gentoo |
| 10:50.32 | visual_ | i have no idea who else to ask for help |
| 10:50.34 | DebUser | visual_: , really how big? |
| 10:50.35 | peterS | t31: 'backport for sarge'? that doesn't make sense as-is - what are you wanting? |
| 10:50.37 | visual_ | i made partition for debian |
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| 10:50.41 | unicode | but with debian i have no experience |
| 10:50.42 | visual_ | thenuke: i fucked up installing |
| 10:50.45 | visual_ | i used floppies to install |
| 10:50.51 | t31 | peters, just nice repositories |
| 10:50.58 | visual_ | i switched linux part. to boot and windows couldnt boot anymore |
| 10:51.05 | visual_ | so i deleted debian part. using fdisk |
| 10:51.07 | unicode | DebUser, how do i start X? |
| 10:51.11 | visual_ | and now i only have one 1MB part. |
| 10:51.12 | peterS | t31: I still don't understand what you want. repositories of what? sarge is on all debian mirrors already |
| 10:51.17 | xoz | unicode: reading the basics about debian is a good start |
| 10:51.19 | DebUser | unicode: startx |
| 10:51.20 | t31 | peters im coming from ubuntu, u know there always was nice to have them |
| 10:51.21 | visual_ | how i can get my whole HDD back? |
| 10:51.26 | visual_ | please help? |
| 10:51.29 | togs | now you get a grub error? |
| 10:51.30 | unicode | No such directory |
| 10:51.35 | peterS | t31: what software do you want that is not already in sarge? |
| 10:51.41 | peterS | t31: maybe we can help you find it |
| 10:51.42 | DebUser | unicode: no such dir? What are you typing? |
| 10:51.48 | t31 | peters gdesklets is not working fine |
| 10:51.52 | unicode | unable to connect to X server |
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| 10:51.59 | unicode | errno 111 |
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| 10:52.08 | Borszczuk | visual_: start writting more than one sentence per line. |
| 10:52.09 | unicode | startx |
| 10:52.13 | peterS | t31: ahh, ok. how do you mean 'not working fine'? |
| 10:52.18 | visual_ | Borszczuk ok |
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| 10:52.31 | visual_ | but im just desperate, i cant find any help by my own:( |
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| 10:52.41 | DebUser | unicode: check the logs for a more specific error... I can't remember where the exact logs are kept, but someone will be able to help you there. |
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| 10:52.56 | SniperX[win] | y doesnt any1 here know howto setup IPMASQ. |
| 10:52.56 | unicode | :( |
| 10:52.58 | visual_ | i want to install debian, but i forgot do download drivers, so i aborted installation |
| 10:52.58 | Borszczuk | visual_: according to what yo said, you destroeyd your partition structure on your HDD, right? and all you have right now is 1MB partition and other space unassigned? |
| 10:53.08 | visual_ | Borszczuk yes |
| 10:53.22 | Borszczuk | SniperX[win]: go to netfilter homepage and read the tutorial. it's quite neat |
| 10:53.29 | peterS | t31: and do you believe a newer version would fix whatever issues you are seeing? the version of gdesklets in both sarge and unstable is 0.33.1 |
| 10:53.34 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.00 | visual_ | Borszczuk how can i fix it to make my HDD whole again? without formatting... |
| 10:54.01 | Borszczuk | visual_: I am afraid you doomed. (nless you got backup of your partition table record somewhere) |
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| 10:54.11 | visual_ | Borszczuk nope i dont |
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| 10:54.18 | togs | visual_: maybe fdisk /mbr while on windows bootdisk |
| 10:54.19 | t31 | peters i want to install the starterbar and i got this error: could not open display file /usr/share/gdesklets/displays/infodomesticbar/infodomesticsbar.display |
| 10:54.21 | Borszczuk | visual_: then you know the (sad) truth |
| 10:54.32 | visual_ | togs and fdisk helps how? |
| 10:54.48 | peterS | t31: I don't use gnome at the moment so I don't know what this starterbar is you're talking about. what debian package did it come in, do you know? |
| 10:55.02 | helix | peterS: maybe gnome-panel |
| 10:55.05 | visual_ | togs i already checked fdisk, i cant create new part. again |
| 10:55.08 | Borszczuk | visual_: which says "do not ever do dirty plays with your data backuped" |
| 10:55.09 | helix | hmm, though, I've never use gdesklets |
| 10:55.14 | togs | it writes the correct mbr back, as far as i know. i've never had to use it |
| 10:55.16 | t31 | peters with the gdesklets |
| 10:55.22 | peterS | helix: I figured you would have, since the name is so cool |
| 10:55.46 | helix | haha |
| 10:55.50 | t31 | peters in the site ask for some libs and the sarge version of libgtop is too old |
| 10:55.50 | Borszczuk | visual_: "do not ever do dirty plays with your HDD unless you got your data backuped".that's it ;) |
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| 10:56.24 | visual_ | Borszczuk but can i install debian having only one floppy, no cdburner and stuff? |
| 10:56.41 | visual_ | i got another comp tho, so i can use one floppy to get necessary files |
| 10:56.45 | simonrvn | 1 floppy *drive*, 3 floppies |
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| 10:57.07 | togs | visual_, the only other thing i could suggest is dling beos max. didn't save my data but made the HD usuable again |
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| 10:57.10 | peterS | t31: ahh so you're trying to install third-party software on sarge. perhaps it wants stuff from gnome 2.10. unfortunately debian doesn't have gnome 2.10 yet |
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| 10:57.26 | visual_ | togs where to get it |
| 10:57.31 | vma | hmh... exponent cms need gd graphics library... which packet i should install? |
| 10:57.39 | Borszczuk | visual_: no. debian takes more than fits on one floppy disk. You may however have 3or 5 (or so) floopies to start install process but the whole system have to be either fetched form the net or CD or so |
| 10:57.41 | vma | tried php4-gd2 but it didn't help |
| 10:57.48 | t31 | peters i think was in gnome 2.8 but now u let me unsure |
| 10:57.55 | simonrvn | vma: um, libgdsomething? |
| 10:57.58 | visual_ | Borszczuk yes i know, i can donwload directly via internet |
| 10:58.01 | peterS | t31: well, gnome 2.8 is in sarge |
| 10:58.06 | visual_ | Borszczuk but can i use one floppy to make installing started? |
| 10:58.27 | visual_ | Borszczuk eg. i write rescue.bin to floppy, then when it asks for root.bin i format and write root.bin on floppy and so on? |
| 10:58.29 | vma | ...maybe its php4-gd and not php4-gd2 ;) |
| 10:58.32 | vma | lets try :> |
| 10:58.35 | togs | visual_, even if it you got BeOS Max, you'd still lose your data. I reckon save yourself a dl and reinstall Windows, gets you to the same spot |
| 10:58.40 | Borszczuk | visual_: one - doubt so. but 3 or so shall suffice. If may I give you advise - do you have a CD reader? |
| 10:58.41 | peterS | t31: so if you're needing gnome components newer than what sarge has available, it'll probably be the gnome 2.10 release you need |
| 10:58.51 | t31 | peters i will try in www.apt-get.org to see |
| 10:59.01 | visual_ | Borszczuk yes i have reader |
| 10:59.05 | Melfice | where may I find dpkg bot source ? |
| 10:59.12 | peterS | !what are you |
| 10:59.12 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:59.13 | t31 | peters can be i was using ubuntu but hoary the unstable |
| 10:59.45 | visual_ | Borszczuk sec i ask my friend if he got floppies |
| 10:59.48 | peterS | t31: ubuntu tracks gnome very closely, since the gnome release manager is also an ubuntu developer |
| 11:00.14 | Borszczuk | visual_: then get clotched, go to nearest inet c@fe, fetch net install mini cd image, burn, go back home and do install via net. that's shall cost you less time than other methods I think |
| 11:00.19 | t31 | peters im not sure ive seen plenty distros using this bar, gentoo i.e. |
| 11:00.36 | t31 | peters, sorry vivalinux based gentoo :P |
| 11:00.50 | togs | visual_, doesn't do much for your data |
| 11:01.09 | peterS | t31: well, anyway. sarge has gnome 2.8 and everything that released as part of gnome 2.8, which I think includes gdesklets |
| 11:01.23 | peterS | which is to say, the gdesklets version in sarge is probably tied to gnome 2.8 |
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| 11:02.09 | visual_ | Borszczuk yeeeee i got 2 extra floppies, i got 3 floppies now! |
| 11:02.15 | t31 | peters is including but i dont know whay is not working properly |
| 11:02.39 | t31 | peters and cant find in ww.apt-get.org this libgtop 2.8.0 |
| 11:02.40 | visual_ | Borszczuk well, im sick irl, i cant go out really |
| 11:03.07 | visual_ | Borszczuk what files do i exactly need now to get myself debian after formatting my HDD? |
| 11:03.14 | nagual | so you arent virtually sick visual_ ? |
| 11:03.16 | peterS | t31: if you need to compile against a library like libgtop, you'll want to install 'libgtop2-dev' |
| 11:03.27 | visual_ | nagual nah i got big fever |
| 11:03.28 | togs | visual_, are you trying to save data at all costs? |
| 11:03.46 | visual_ | togs nah, i already paked up my files and uploaded to my school server, the files i need |
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| 11:03.52 | visual_ | togs was thinking about deleting windows anyway |
| 11:04.02 | togs | visual_, so you're ok with a format? |
| 11:04.06 | visual_ | togs yeah |
| 11:04.10 | nagual | visual_: what size is it? :) |
| 11:04.17 | peterS | t31: that's a general debian rule: compiling stuff that uses a library usually requires a -dev package for that library |
| 11:04.20 | visual_ | nagual 38! |
| 11:04.29 | togs | visual_, i would try fdisk /mbr first |
| 11:04.48 | visual_ | togs i tried it from system disk but it didnt worked |
| 11:04.51 | wgandhi | trouble initializing DRM module for i915GM integrated graphics.. |
| 11:04.53 | nagual | visual_: a 38 what? cm? |
| 11:04.56 | togs | visual_, or try just installing from windows cd |
| 11:05.15 | wgandhi | has anyone got this to work.. I am using kernel 2.6.11.2 |
| 11:05.24 | visual_ | togs i lend my windows cd away, and i dont want windows back |
| 11:05.27 | peterS | nagual: either calibre, or degrees Celsius |
| 11:05.28 | visual_ | windows is bad! |
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| 11:05.34 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 11:05.47 | togs | oky, so you're going with a linux |
| 11:05.48 | dodgyville | How can I enable SCSI emulate on my IDE drive for cd-burning without rebooting? |
| 11:05.52 | Borszczuk | visual_: don't get your question. Base install got hundres of files. Want me list all of them or what? And when you got hdd formatted the partion shall be empy (maybe with exception for 'lost+found' folder). |
| 11:06.21 | peterS | dodgyville: remove the ide-cd module, load the ide-scsi module |
| 11:06.28 | peterS | dodgyville: use 'rmmod' and 'modprobe' here |
| 11:06.43 | togs | visual_, got any livecds around? |
| 11:07.40 | t31 | peters im compiling one by one all the dependences :P |
| 11:07.59 | peterS | t31: just installing the -dev packages will do the trick for most of them, I suspect |
| 11:08.08 | visual_ | togs whats livecd, im not so good at computer |
| 11:08.24 | t31 | peters couse we have in sarge, 2.6 and i need 2.8 |
| 11:08.28 | togs | ah, linux livecds, they run from your cd drive |
| 11:08.46 | togs | big downloads though |
| 11:08.49 | peterS | t31: sarge has gnome 2.8. I don't know what other packages you need that are at version 2.6 |
| 11:09.18 | sdogi | ahh.. btw what version of kde does sarge have? |
| 11:09.24 | sdogi | don't have debian near |
| 11:09.31 | dodgyville | peterS: It's still not working. I did the things but record still can't find /deb/pg* |
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| 11:09.54 | dodgyville | things=you suggest to be rmmod and modprobed |
| 11:09.57 | peterS | dodgyville: the error about /dev/pg* is misleading |
| 11:10.00 | t31 | peters, me neither but thats life o_O |
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| 11:10.17 | peterS | dodgyville: to find out whether you're using ide-scsi or not, try 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' where hdc is whatever your cdrom drive normally is |
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| 11:10.48 | peterS | dodgyville: it'll either say ide-cdrom version something or ide-scsi version something. or ide-generic, meaning it's not claimed by any driver |
| 11:10.54 | dodgyville | peterS: It says ide-scsi |
| 11:10.57 | dodgyville | for hdd |
| 11:10.57 | Danar | anyone else find that azureus from the deb repository is uninstallable? |
| 11:11.02 | Danar | Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or java2-runtime but it is not installable |
| 11:11.11 | Effie_ | is there also a german debian channel on freenode? |
| 11:11.12 | peterS | dodgyville: ok then that part is working. now tell cdrecord to use dev=/dev/scd0 |
| 11:11.18 | Danar | those two packages aren't in the repository... |
| 11:11.20 | peterS | dodgyville: umm, wait, I mean dev=0,0 |
| 11:11.36 | Danar | Effie_: i think it's #debian-de |
| 11:11.46 | Effie_ | thank you Danar |
| 11:11.50 | appaji | !german |
| 11:11.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 11:11.58 | togs | any guides around on how to install via the net, or is it that simple? |
| 11:12.01 | Danar | ok .de then |
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| 11:12.36 | togs | what is that thing, some kind of bot? |
| 11:13.03 | appaji | togs: include the debian package sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, do an apt-get update and then apt-get install the packages. |
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| 11:13.27 | xophEr | Nautilus scripts stopped working, what could it be? I tried reinstalling the scripts, but nothing.. |
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| 11:13.43 | appaji | togs: /msg dpkg dpkg |
| 11:14.42 | dodgyville | peterS: I was using k3b, it doesn't let me set dev=0,0. Can I just burn files from the command line use cdrecord, or do I have to prepare them? |
| 11:14.52 | dodgyville | use=using |
| 11:15.04 | peterS | dodgyville: I don't know how k3b lets you specify the device. I have never used k3b |
| 11:15.24 | togs | appaji, this sources list you speak of. are the repos already there or do i need to add em? i'm actually dling the netinstall iso |
| 11:15.30 | peterS | dodgyville: if you have a filesystem image (an "iso file"), you can burn that using 'cdrecord dev=0,0 filename.iso' or similar |
| 11:15.45 | Danar | why aren't the sun-j2skd1.5 and/or java2-runtime packages available? |
| 11:16.04 | raghu | hi all....i have problem in installing python2.3.4 in stable.....so only i have to install with tar file? |
| 11:16.07 | visual_ | could anyone tell me what files i need to get debian installation started from empty HDD? |
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| 11:16.09 | appaji | togs: no idea, but just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and check what you have in there after the basic install using the netinstall ISO. |
| 11:16.14 | visual_ | rescue.bin and root.bin i need |
| 11:16.21 | visual_ | but what driver binary to download? |
| 11:16.35 | raghu | i have added testing to my source.list |
| 11:16.42 | togs | is there a list of sources to add somewhere? |
| 11:17.00 | peterS | visual_: that's for debian 3.0. I recommend installing sarge, the upcoming debian 3.1, instead. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for install images for that |
| 11:17.17 | appaji | togs: "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" is all you would need for most part. |
| 11:17.45 | visual_ | peterS but i have 333mhz, 64 ram, 8mb video computer |
| 11:17.48 | dodgyville | peterS: It says no such file or directory |
| 11:17.52 | visual_ | peterS does it run on it? |
| 11:17.52 | appaji | raghu: what is the problem? |
| 11:18.10 | raghu | hi all....i have problem in installing python2.3.4 in stable.....so only i have to install with tar file? so how to get new updates ...i have added testing to my sources.list |
| 11:18.16 | peterS | visual_: 64 MB of RAM sounds fine for sarge. depending on what sorts of apps you intend to run. |
| 11:18.17 | togs | no quotes, hey? |
| 11:18.24 | idealbsd | visual_, knoppix boot it then debootstrap to install |
| 11:18.33 | dodgyville | peters: Unable to open /dev/pg0. cannot open SCSI driver |
| 11:18.36 | appaji | raghu: if you are using stable and have testing in sources.list, you will have to do apt-pinning to install the packages from testing in stable. |
| 11:18.51 | peterS | dodgyville: what does 'cdrecord -scanbus' say? |
| 11:18.54 | appaji | togs: yes. |
| 11:19.02 | raghu | appaji: how to do that |
| 11:19.08 | peterS | dodgyville: oh wait - you probably also need to load the module 'sr_mod' and possibly 'sg' |
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| 11:19.11 | visual_ | peterS how many floppies i need for sarge? i got 3 floppies, no cd burner atm:( |
| 11:19.17 | appaji | raghu: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 11:19.22 | peterS | visual_: 3 |
| 11:19.30 | peterS | visual_: the root one, the boot one, and the net-drivers one |
| 11:19.43 | Remux | 3"" """33!""":"";"","n""nbn"nbv"bcx"""""" |
| 11:20.06 | visual_ | peterS and does 3GB hdd be enough? |
| 11:20.20 | dodgyville | peterS: That did the trick! Thanks! |
| 11:20.23 | peterS | visual_: sure, 3 GB is plenty of space |
| 11:20.23 | Remux | J'arrive pas a faire un diez |
| 11:20.25 | togs | that bot's awesome. can it clean, too? |
| 11:20.32 | peterS | dodgyville: ah, good deal. maybe k3b will work too |
| 11:20.37 | Borszczuk | visual_: base install takes around 100MB |
| 11:20.42 | Danar | no, but it makes coffee ;p |
| 11:20.46 | appaji | togs: /msg dpkg clean ;-) hehe. |
| 11:20.52 | Danar | o.O |
| 11:21.11 | togs | dammit iit does! |
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| 11:21.18 | togs | what can't it do? |
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| 11:21.39 | appaji | !french |
| 11:21.39 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:25.08 | raghu | appaji: i have done that ...also i ahve added testing to source.list...i dono have apt-preference file thats all......if i di apt-get install python2.3 .....it iantalls version 2.3.2 ...i need python.2.3.4 |
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| 11:25.52 | raghu | appaji: also gcc3.0.3.1 i want gcc3.3.4 |
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| 11:26.12 | raghu | appaji: so what should i do? |
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| 11:26.33 | simonrvn | um, finish installing sarge |
| 11:26.52 | takatumi | or start |
| 11:26.59 | jak_ | hello everybody. we are faced with some problems setting up the right keyma (german keys). can somebody tell me how to give him the right keymap? THX |
| 11:27.13 | simonrvn | already started, he's got sarge in sources.list =) |
| 11:27.14 | appaji | raghu: if there is no /etc/apt/preferences file, you need to create one. |
| 11:27.41 | appaji | raghu: if you want to have a mixed stable+testing installation. |
| 11:28.09 | simonrvn | um, i wouldn't suggest mixing stable and testing |
| 11:28.15 | Phu_Bhar | Hi Folks, I urgently need the LVM howto. Can some-one please tell me how I can download it in a single chunk, i.e., not page-by-page? |
| 11:28.16 | xophEr | How can I make 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"' be executed when X is started? |
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| 11:28.47 | simonrvn | Phu_Bhar: there's howto packages in debian |
| 11:28.53 | simonrvn | xophEr: .xsession |
| 11:29.00 | jak_ | xophEr: edit your .xsession |
| 11:29.02 | raghu | Phu_Bhar: google for:LVM HOW TO + pdf) |
| 11:29.04 | Savage | can anyon tell me how i can get the model of my motherboard and version of my bios please, |
| 11:29.06 | xophEr | in ~/? |
| 11:29.13 | jak_ | xophEr: yes |
| 11:29.19 | xophEr | 'Cause Ive tried that, didnt work :) |
| 11:29.24 | jak_ | maybe you will have to chmod 755 it |
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| 11:29.31 | xophEr | hmm ok |
| 11:29.35 | xophEr | thanks |
| 11:29.38 | jak_ | xophEr: ok, what windowmanager are you using? |
| 11:29.44 | xophEr | metacity |
| 11:29.54 | raghu | appaji: you were saying something |
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| 11:30.22 | jak_ | xophEr: has its configuration directory something like an autostart folder? |
| 11:30.25 | simonrvn | xophEr: i have "xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"" near the top of my .xsession |
| 11:30.42 | xk | is there a tool that can merge mpeg files without fucking up the GOP? |
| 11:30.51 | xophEr | simonrvn, well I dont even have a .xsession by default, have to create one if I want one |
| 11:31.03 | simonrvn | yes. of course |
| 11:31.20 | xk | worthless mpeg tools on linux. |
| 11:31.25 | xophEr | jak_, nope, in .metacity I have only one subfolder, "sessions" |
| 11:31.30 | xk | every single one of them buggy in one way or another. |
| 11:31.54 | Phu_Bhar | simonrvn: Thanx - but what I really want is the one from http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO.html, as mentioned in the /usr/share/doc/xfsprogs/README.LVM |
| 11:31.57 | appaji | raghu: if you want gcc-3.4 and python2.3.4 in stable, add a testing line to your sources.list, create a /etc/apt/preferences file and read 'man apt_preferences' |
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| 11:32.17 | simonrvn | Phu_Bhar: so go get it, and put it somewhere |
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| 11:32.19 | Ftroop | when i use apt-get i keep geting perl error check to see if locales are installed and supported on this system what do i need to do to get rid of this? |
| 11:32.33 | raghu | appaji: thx |
| 11:32.34 | simonrvn | Phu_Bhar: they do offer tarballs.. |
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| 11:33.05 | appaji | Ftroop: apt-get install locales, or if the locales package is installed dpk-reconfigure locales |
| 11:33.08 | sdogi | Ftroop: install locales |
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| 11:33.18 | Phu_Bhar | simonrvn Supposi I don't have much option - but all thos fscking hyperlinks (sigh!) |
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| 11:34.02 | Ftroop | tried dpk-reconfigure locales but still get same error ..what am i doing wrong? :( |
| 11:34.29 | Phu_Bhar | simonrvn: Tarballs! Great and thanx agenn. See ya |
| 11:34.30 | xophEr | I got one other problem too, my nautilus scripts, which had been working fine for a while now, stopped working. What should I try to do? |
| 11:34.35 | appaji | Phu_Bhar: try http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/ |
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| 11:34.45 | Ftroop | says falling back to C which i assume is the default local |
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| 11:34.53 | simonrvn | Ftroop: yes it is |
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| 11:35.26 | Ftroop | so do i just get rid of locales all together? |
| 11:35.26 | Phu_Bhar | appaji: OK, I'm on my way |
| 11:35.30 | appaji | Ftroop: what is in /etc/environment? |
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| 11:35.59 | visual_ | peterS could you give me link to debian sarge installation guide? |
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| 11:36.01 | Savage | can anyone tell me how i can find out my motherboard details? |
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| 11:36.08 | appaji | Ftroop: try "LANG=en_US apt-get ..." and check. |
| 11:36.34 | lord_rob | Hi! How do I change my email address in reportbug ? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 11:36.36 | peterS | visual_: dunno, should be linked from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:36.45 | visual_ | thanks |
| 11:36.45 | raghu | Savage: cat /etc/proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:37.03 | appaji | lord_rob: edit $HOME/.reportbugrc |
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| 11:37.25 | Savage | thanks raghu! |
| 11:37.34 | Phu_Bhar | appaji: That's what I wanted, thanx and 'bye now |
| 11:37.40 | Ftroop | LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 11:37.49 | Savage | raghu: that doesn't work |
| 11:37.56 | MikeCamel | LO. anyone out there using x.org x-server? And if so, any ideas about where to pick up .debs? |
| 11:38.17 | thomas_adam | MikeCamel: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 11:38.22 | raghu | Savage: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:38.28 | raghu | Savage:sorry |
| 11:38.34 | helix | Ftroop: what is that? |
| 11:38.36 | t31 | i have a problem im doing this patch -Np1 -i ../popt_1.7-5.diff && ./configure --prefix=/usr && cp configure.in configure.ac && touch configure.in configure.ac && make |
| 11:38.36 | t31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.53 | Savage | raghu: that works, thanks! |
| 11:38.57 | thomas_adam | t31: No such file? Which? |
| 11:38.59 | MikeCamel | thomas_adam: thx |
| 11:39.02 | Ftroop | thats in the etc/environment |
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| 11:39.04 | xk | t31: cant you do one command at a time to isolate the problem? |
| 11:39.07 | appaji | Ftroop: add LANG=en_US to the file |
| 11:39.40 | t31 | xk, thomas_adam ive been trying to do only the first one but with same results, this is the file popt_1.7-5.diff |
| 11:39.43 | Ftroop | even tho my language isnt en_US its british? |
| 11:39.57 | appaji | Ftroop: en_GB |
| 11:40.02 | thomas_adam | t31: So check to see if the damn patch file really is ../ |
| 11:40.09 | xk | t31: well... find where the file is. |
| 11:40.12 | thomas_adam | t31: ls ../popt_* |
| 11:40.17 | xk | files don't magically appear when you want them. |
| 11:40.51 | appaji | Ftroop: actually /msg dpkg locales |
| 11:41.06 | t31 | thomas_adam is says there is not but with a normal ls in its directory it does show up |
| 11:41.16 | Ftroop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.20 | thomas_adam | t31: Somehow I don't believe you. |
| 11:41.32 | t31 | thomas_adam :P |
| 11:41.49 | appaji | Ftroop: You don't have a default LANG variable. When you (dpkg-re)configure locales, select one of them as the default. |
| 11:41.53 | thomas_adam | t31: If it says the file is not there -- it isn't there. |
| 11:42.16 | t31 | thomas_adam, patch -Np1 -i /home/t31/popt_1.7/popt_1.7-5.diff |
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| 11:42.30 | Ftroop | ok will try that now |
| 11:42.41 | t31 | thomas_adam sarge:/home/t31/popt-1.7# ls |
| 11:42.41 | t31 | ABOUT-NLS COPYING Makefile.in poptconfig.c test1.c |
| 11:42.41 | t31 | aclocal.m4 depcomp missing popt.h test2.c |
| 11:42.41 | t31 | autogen.sh Doxyfile.in mkinstalldirs popthelp.c test3.c |
| 11:42.41 | t31 | CHANGES findme.c po poptint.h testit.sh |
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| 11:42.46 | dodgyville | Hello again |
| 11:42.47 | ysothoth | Hey guys... How do I run an x app on another machine when that remote machine has no x server running? I want it to display on my local x screen. |
| 11:42.56 | thomas_adam | t31: Ok, and that means that presumably you're trying to run ./configure from /home/t31/popt-1.7 -- in which case you want patch --options ./popt_* |
| 11:43.03 | dodgyville | peterS: Hey, sorry to bother you again. catastophe has struck. |
| 11:43.05 | thomas_adam | Moron. |
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| 11:43.29 | appaji | ysothoth: you should use ssh X11 forwarding. |
| 11:43.44 | t31 | thomas_adam sorry for such huge paste, but as u can see its there |
| 11:43.47 | dodgyville | It thinks about burning but then freezes. cdrecord -scanbus no longer lists the cdwriter (but still the cdrom). I think the driver whigs out or something. |
| 11:43.54 | ysothoth | appaji: Icould probably do that if the machine had x11 running... there's nothing to forward :) |
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| 11:44.21 | appaji | ysothoth: /msg dpkg xhost |
| 11:44.30 | thomas_adam | t31: Let's try this again -- which directory are you running ./configure from? |
| 11:44.42 | Patad | hey guys, mysql doesnt work since i upgraded to sarge |
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| 11:44.52 | t31 | thomas_adam, /home/t31/popt-1.7 |
| 11:44.52 | appaji | Patad: what about it doesn't work? |
| 11:44.54 | thomas_adam | Patad: Care to be more specific. |
| 11:45.19 | thomas_adam | t31: Right, so why are you looking for a patch file one dierctory above? There is no damn diff file in the directory you listed. |
| 11:45.42 | thomas_adam | t31: Get it sorted. |
| 11:46.00 | dodgyville | I'm using 2.6.8 |
| 11:46.14 | thomas_adam | dodgyville: Use 2.6.5 |
| 11:46.19 | t31 | config.guess findme.h popt-1.7-5.diff poptparse.c test-poptrc |
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| 11:46.28 | t31 | thomas_adam in that line |
| 11:46.30 | thomas_adam | t31: Stop it. Use your brain. |
| 11:46.34 | dodgyville | thomas_adam: It's not installed. What's wrong with 2.6.8? |
| 11:46.49 | ysothoth | appaji: So the answer is 'apt-get install xbase-clients' Thanks! |
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| 11:47.11 | t31 | thomas_adam ? |
| 11:47.19 | thomas_adam | t31: Either copy the diff file into the same directory you're running ./configure from and change your patch line to -p0, or copy the patch file to ../ from the directory you're running ./configure from, and stop whining. |
| 11:47.31 | Patad | appaji, thomas_adam , hmmm well it wont start |
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| 11:47.45 | thomas_adam | Patad: You aren't being very helpful. |
| 11:47.46 | appaji | ysothoth: the remote machine on which you want to run the X client need not have an X server running. |
| 11:47.51 | thomas_adam | Patad: Go and ask in #mysql |
| 11:48.06 | thomas_adam | Patad: And when you do ask there, supply them with information. |
| 11:48.16 | xk | insmod: error inserting 'vmnet.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 11:48.22 | xk | what the hell does that mean? |
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| 11:48.25 | t31 | thomas_adam, thats what i did guy |
| 11:48.31 | thomas_adam | xk: Why aren't you using modprobe? |
| 11:48.37 | thomas_adam | t31: ls -l ../popt_* |
| 11:48.41 | xk | thomas_adam: because the module ins't installed in /lib yet. |
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| 11:48.51 | ysothoth | appaji: Yeah that would be dumb :) Thanks |
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| 11:49.02 | thomas_adam | xk: Modules never go in /lib -- /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/* usually. |
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| 11:49.16 | xk | thomas_adam: same fucking thing. |
| 11:49.23 | thomas_adam | xk: Easy, fella. |
| 11:49.24 | xk | thomas_adam: I haven't installed it htere because the module doesn't work anyway. |
| 11:49.26 | pele | anyone who can help me with this problem? ipchains: Protocol not available |
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| 11:49.46 | simonrvn | pele: ipchains on a 2.4 kernel, or 2.2? |
| 11:49.48 | thomas_adam | pele: What's your kernel version? |
| 11:49.59 | Patad | thomas_adam, it just wont start! whats the command to stop it and start again? |
| 11:50.14 | thomas_adam | Patad: invoke-rc.d mysql restart |
| 11:50.19 | xk | thomas_adam: your suggestion would be a regression than anything. |
| 11:50.22 | t31 | thomas_adam only shows the tar one but i have copied it just a minute ago |
| 11:50.25 | appaji | Patad: /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 11:51.22 | intero | i got a tgz with a binary and some .so; the binary needs the .so. do i have to put them in /usr/lib or is there a way to include them in a path when i execute the program, something like CC="gcc -Wall" make |
| 11:51.25 | sirio | pele: once more: this is not a problem. this is an error message |
| 11:51.25 | t31 | thomas_adam, ok now shows up |
| 11:51.28 | thomas_adam | xk: Since you're some $DEITY or rather, maybe you can answer it yourself? Or is google not working for you today? Is this a module you've compiled yourself? Or via a kernel you compiled yourself, or what? What kernel version have you got, etc, etc. |
| 11:51.29 | visual_ | peterS is it possible to install using 2 floppies only? |
| 11:51.31 | pele | don't know debian 3.0r4 |
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| 11:51.43 | t31 | thomas_adam i give up |
| 11:51.50 | Patad | thomas_adam, ok it starts, how can i check my tables? |
| 11:51.52 | simonrvn | pele: that's not a kernel version. do uname -r |
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| 11:51.58 | peterS | visual_: it's always *possible*, if you have a second computer - you can overwrite the contents of one of the floppies, during the install |
| 11:52.00 | visual_ | peterS i mean like when it asks for net-drivers, i erase root.img and rawrite net-drivers.img on other computer? |
| 11:52.02 | peterS | visual_: but you need 3 |
| 11:52.11 | thomas_adam | Patad: mysql; use database; etc etc |
| 11:52.11 | peterS | yeah |
| 11:52.23 | thomas_adam | Patad: GO and read some mysql docs. |
| 11:52.25 | visual_ | peterS ok thanks, my third floppy just died horribly...dunno how i damaged it |
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| 11:52.42 | peterS | visual_: I actually have not tried the floppy-based sarge install. I don't know how it works |
| 11:53.01 | peterS | visual_: but I'm *pretty* sure you don't need the first floppy after it has booted |
| 11:53.07 | pele | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 11:53.10 | visual_ | okeyh |
| 11:53.13 | thomas_adam | pele: Ugh. |
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| 11:53.41 | pele | that sounds not good |
| 11:53.51 | thomas_adam | pele: At least get a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 11:53.57 | t31 | thomas_adam, worked just after rename it :? |
| 11:54.03 | simonrvn | pele: install a real kernel |
| 11:54.04 | thomas_adam | pele: Then you can use iptables like everyone else. |
| 11:54.06 | pele | how? |
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| 11:54.12 | thomas_adam | :| |
| 11:54.17 | simonrvn | @tell pele -about search |
| 11:54.28 | thomas_adam | t31: I don't know. I gave up caring a long time ago. |
| 11:54.37 | simonrvn | pele: look for kernel-image, and install the one your machine needs |
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| 11:54.52 | raghu | any one has good source.list for stable.....which can install python2.3.4 and latest gcc?? |
| 11:54.53 | pele | kk i'll look 4 it |
| 11:55.03 | thomas_adam | raghu: www.backports.org |
| 11:55.23 | thomas_adam | raghu: Although I'd dist-upgrade to sarge, at this point. |
| 11:55.28 | raghu | thomas_adam: i think it has python2.3.2 |
| 11:55.47 | thomas_adam | raghu: Thinking is not good enough -- go look. |
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| 11:55.56 | Pappa | YES |
| 11:55.57 | thomas_adam | raghu: And/or also see: www.apt-get.org |
| 11:56.00 | Pappa | the net is sensible |
| 11:56.14 | thomas_adam | pele: The net might be, but its users are not. |
| 11:56.30 | Pappa | jo@jochr:/home/ftp$ sudo mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 11:56.35 | thomas_adam | raghu: But again, I'd go with sarge. |
| 11:56.37 | Pappa | thomas_adam: talking about the speed |
| 11:56.40 | Pappa | it fixed it :p |
| 11:56.49 | Pappa | before it was like 17.7KB/s |
| 11:57.14 | Pappa | mii-tool reported "eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok" |
| 11:57.25 | peterS | Pappa: that is great to hear |
| 11:57.27 | thomas_adam | Pappa: Yes, thank you. None of us care that much. |
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| 11:57.49 | Patad | hmm one of my sites that has phpbb aint working |
| 11:57.51 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: Amsterdam? |
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| 11:58.01 | simonrvn | tulip driver |
| 11:58.02 | thomas_adam | Patad: What is it now? |
| 11:58.06 | Pappa | ive been struggling with this for days tho.. and all i had to do was enable auto-neg |
| 11:58.06 | Patad | im not sure if its a phpbb prob or mysql/php fault from upgrading to sarge |
| 11:58.14 | simonrvn | the person who drives around a truck full of flowers |
| 11:58.26 | peterS | Pappa: heh. autonegotiation really does usually work correctly (: |
| 11:58.29 | thomas_adam | Patad: have you tried reading your logs? General trouble shooting, etc, etc? |
| 11:58.49 | visual_ | peterS im having some kind of a problem during installation process |
| 11:58.52 | xk | thomas_adam: ok. fixed. just needed a new prepacked patch for vmware. |
| 11:59.01 | thomas_adam | xk: Well done. |
| 11:59.02 | visual_ | peterS it tells me: No kernel modules were found. |
| 11:59.16 | visual_ | peterS and it tell me i prolly fail installing without kernel modules... |
| 11:59.20 | peterS | visual_: you should be given an opportunity to put in the net-drivers disk |
| 11:59.22 | visual_ | peterS what should i do |
| 11:59.35 | visual_ | peterS it asked me some drivers yes... |
| 11:59.39 | peterS | visual_: I haven't tried installing sarge from floppies, so I don't know the details of this |
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| 11:59.45 | xk | thomas_adam: I was trying an older version of it... but didn't realize there's an even newer one ;) |
| 11:59.50 | visual_ | peterS ok i use netdriver disc first then |
| 11:59.55 | Pappa | peterS: it reported to run 100baseTx-FD without though =/ |
| 12:00.16 | peterS | visual_: well, you boot the 'boot' image, and put in the 'root' image during the boot process - nothing else will work at all |
| 12:00.17 | raghu | thomas_adam:backport has: it has python2.1 |
| 12:00.25 | thomas_adam | xk: Well, here's a tip. When you next ask a question, rather than throwing us an error message, actually put the context you were using it in... |
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| 12:00.41 | thomas_adam | raghu: Which 'it' does? |
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| 12:00.53 | peterS | visual_: but once it has finished reading those, at some point it should give you the opportunity to put in driver disks, and the net-drivers disk should work |
| 12:00.57 | visual_ | peterS but does network images fix the kernel prob? |
| 12:01.00 | raghu | thomas_adam:backport has python2.1 |
| 12:01.10 | visual_ | peterS ok i try |
| 12:01.11 | xk | thomas_adam: well... vmnet was a big hint. |
| 12:01.13 | peterS | visual_: did you get all 3 floppy images from exactly the same place? |
| 12:01.19 | visual_ | peterS yes |
| 12:01.24 | Patad | thomas_adam, no i havent |
| 12:01.45 | xk | thomas_adam: why am I able to assist people with obscure problems but you cannot? |
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| 12:01.55 | thomas_adam | Patad: Well, there's your start. Then, if that doesn't help you try doing it bit by bit. Start off with mysql. |
| 12:02.01 | Kasreyn | do someone know if it's possible to disable X "move window" on holding Alt key? |
| 12:02.05 | xk | maybe you should investigate what the problem is before throwing a halfassed solution |
| 12:02.13 | thomas_adam | Kasreyn: Which WM? |
| 12:02.17 | Kasreyn | fluxbox |
| 12:02.22 | thomas_adam | Kasreyn: Ask in #fluxbox |
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| 12:03.49 | visual_ | peterS it still tells me that no kernel modules were found |
| 12:03.54 | visual_ | peterS where i get kernel modules? |
| 12:04.13 | peterS | visual_: the net-drivers floppy has kernel modules on it, or it should. so I don't know what is wrong |
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| 12:04.23 | jak_ | hello. i figured out, that my "alt-gr" key does not work. i searched for some solutions, but none of them work.. any ideas? |
| 12:04.32 | peterS | !keymap |
| 12:04.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 12:04.40 | simonrvn | it fetches the modules from the net. hence net-drivers |
| 12:04.43 | thomas_adam | jak_: What do you want it to do? Be like normal ALT? |
| 12:04.48 | visual_ | peterS maybe it dont work because |
| 12:04.54 | visual_ | peterS i renamed drivers |
| 12:05.03 | peterS | visual_: what do you mean? |
| 12:05.12 | visual_ | peterS rawrite didnt found when i used net-drivers.img |
| 12:05.17 | visual_ | peterS i renamed it to drivers.img |
| 12:05.31 | visual_ | peterS it scanned the floppy and found some files from there tho |
| 12:05.32 | xk | i love windows |
| 12:05.33 | peterS | visual_: that should still have worked. you put it on the floppy, that's what counts |
| 12:05.40 | simonrvn | renaming the image file won't matter |
| 12:05.42 | visual_ | peterS yeah but whats wrong now... |
| 12:05.59 | peterS | visual_: for the 7th time, I have not tried the sarge floppy install method |
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| 12:06.09 | jak_ | thomas_adam: use it for at's and so on... |
| 12:06.15 | jak_ | thomas_adam: for special keys |
| 12:06.15 | visual_ | any1 else who knows whats wrong? |
| 12:06.19 | simonrvn | you could name it mother0fucker-please-work-this-time.img and it'd still work |
| 12:06.32 | thomas_adam | visual_: have you asked in #debian-boot ? |
| 12:06.32 | p30n | question: what could be the problem with my usb hdd when i sometimes get input/output error when trying to write to it?? i can read everything fine tho... |
| 12:06.41 | thomas_adam | p30n: heh. |
| 12:06.47 | sirio | jak_: console or X? |
| 12:06.52 | peterS | simonrvn: might not work with rawrite, which I think might be expecting an MS-DOS 8-char name (: |
| 12:06.52 | visual_ | i try |
| 12:07.00 | jak_ | sirio: ony on X, console works fine :) |
| 12:07.03 | simonrvn | peterS: hehe |
| 12:07.13 | p30n | thomas_adam: ya know? |
| 12:07.17 | peterS | simonrvn: seriously, that's probably why he had to rename it from net-drivers.img to drivers.img |
| 12:07.24 | simonrvn | peterS: MFPWTT.IMG |
| 12:07.29 | peterS | hehe |
| 12:07.34 | thomas_adam | p30n: Usually means your drive is on the way out... Do you get any seek errors as well? |
| 12:07.41 | sirio | jak_: sounds like a german setting? |
| 12:07.43 | xk | hm |
| 12:08.10 | jak_ | sirio: yes, correct |
| 12:08.24 | p30n | thomas_adam: thats the only error ive got so far, u mean its on its way to get fucked? as in i need to send it on warranty service? its like 1 years old |
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| 12:08.37 | jak_ | sirio: i think, that i have a coorect xf86-4, because i have options like "nodeadkeys", etc |
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| 12:10.02 | sirio | jak_: you know: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-config.html#s-altgrput ? |
| 12:10.17 | simonrvn | now i only wish spammers would get a clue and stop sending crap, since they're not going to get through... just annoys me and i end up null routing their IPs |
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| 12:10.47 | jak_ | sirio: no, thanks... |
| 12:10.52 | sirio | jak_: yw |
| 12:10.59 | jak_ | sirio: (i didnt know it) |
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| 12:11.18 | sirio | jak_: and i said: you are welcome ;-) |
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| 12:14.50 | jak_ | sirio: hum... did all this.. does not work |
| 12:14.57 | sirio | restarted X? |
| 12:15.02 | jak_ | of course |
| 12:15.10 | sirio | jak_: sry. just to be sure. |
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| 12:15.18 | jak_ | sirio: no prob :) |
| 12:15.54 | sirio | jak_: you looked at 3.4, too? |
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| 12:23.01 | DebUser | Hello, does tkinter come with Python? |
| 12:23.05 | simonrvn | chanserv's channel message is getting a little dusty |
| 12:23.20 | simonrvn | DebUser: certainly available |
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| 12:23.51 | DebUser | simonrvn: so it's available, but is it present? I've tried apt-get install tkinter, but that doesn't seem to be the name of it :\ |
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| 12:24.13 | togs | hi again |
| 12:24.15 | simonrvn | try searching for it first. /msg dpkg or ravenbird search |
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| 12:25.27 | togs | having trouble getting a net-install iso of testing online |
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| 12:27.02 | togs | using PPPoE, have done a pppoeconf, getting some weird errors |
| 12:27.27 | appaji | togs: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 12:28.04 | togs | yeah, that's it, can't it on the net though :( |
| 12:28.20 | appaji | togs: ? |
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| 12:29.01 | togs | i dled, burned and installed the net-install ISO file. can't get the box i installed it on to see the net |
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| 12:31.24 | appaji | togs: is networking up on your machine after the installed? |
| 12:31.41 | togs | sort of |
| 12:32.00 | togs | i pasted a bunch of text in #flood |
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| 12:32.58 | PReDaCoN | help meeeeeee |
| 12:32.59 | appaji | togs: paste it again? |
| 12:33.24 | appaji | or is there anyway I can look at text that was pasted there in the last few mins in a channel? |
| 12:33.31 | togs | the card can get a 192.x.x.x address, but it doesn't get the 203.x.x.x address |
| 12:33.35 | togs | re-pasted |
| 12:34.18 | takatumi | appaji: isn't that link for the stable dist? |
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| 12:34.48 | appaji | takatumi: it takes you to stable as well as the testing netinst image pages. |
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| 12:35.09 | revenant | hi where do I get openssl-dev? |
| 12:35.14 | PReDaCoN | netgod, i hate initrd but my system can't boot without it any solution? |
| 12:35.20 | appaji | togs: I don't know which file you have to change |
| 12:35.26 | simonrvn | libssl-dev IIRC |
| 12:35.39 | togs | ok, i saw it before. i think i remember |
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| 12:35.49 | appaji | togs: set the MTU to 1452 |
| 12:36.02 | togs | i'll brb one way or the other; gotta swap stuff out |
| 12:36.05 | revenant | thanx |
| 12:36.09 | togs | i'll try that, cheers |
| 12:36.11 | netgod | PReDaCoN: use linux 2.4? |
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| 12:36.32 | PReDaCoN | netgod, i use linux 2.6.11.2 |
| 12:36.34 | appaji | and did you not disconnect earlier or something? "Default SimultaneousUse of 1 exceeded" from the other end, sounds like that. |
| 12:38.12 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: self compiled? |
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| 12:38.46 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, yes and work on this pc but don't work on my laptop |
| 12:38.53 | Phu_Bhar | Hi Folks, Am I compelled to use LVM under the 2.5 kernel? (I'm trying to install agnula/demudi and don't want to take risks with my 40 partitions spread over 4 drives.) |
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| 12:39.04 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: why not? |
| 12:39.21 | Phu_Bhar | Sorry, that should read "2.6 kernel" |
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| 12:39.32 | appaji | Phu_Bhar: 2.5? No. |
| 12:39.43 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, i don't now |
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| 12:39.54 | eka | hi all |
| 12:39.58 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: what errors? |
| 12:39.59 | eka | someone with vmware? |
| 12:40.06 | Phu_Bhar | Yeps |
| 12:40.17 | [bman] | PReDaCoN: I think what takatumi is asking is what does it 'not do'? |
| 12:40.19 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, kernel panic |
| 12:40.24 | [bman] | or that |
| 12:40.45 | takatumi | !rootfs |
| 12:40.53 | takatumi | !norootfs |
| 12:40.53 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
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| 12:41.08 | xophEr | Any help-suggestions ? (nautilus:8632): Eel-WARNING **: Error starting command ''/home/xopher/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/gnome2-terminal-here' ': Failed to execute child process "/home/xopher/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/gnome2-terminal-here" (Permission denied) |
| 12:41.16 | Phu_Bhar | appaji: you probably missed my correction - it's 2.6 of course |
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| 12:41.37 | [bman] | PReDaCoN: you should search bugzilla.kernel.org and look for your problem. if it doesn't exist, you should post a new bug. |
| 12:41.39 | eka | i want to use my vmware with a partition already installed |
| 12:42.03 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: if you compile all the stuff your root fs needs at boot, it'll boot without initrd, else you'll need one. |
| 12:42.17 | PReDaCoN | [bman], this kernel work on this machine and i don't think that is a kernel bug |
| 12:42.21 | Ftroop | appaji still getting the same problems with the locale thing..It just keeps saying the same thing i dont get it :( |
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| 12:43.08 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: I'm currently run 2.6.11 without an initrd and my /boot is on hda5. |
| 12:43.20 | takatumi | on a laptop as well. |
| 12:43.32 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, can you paste your menu.lst on query? |
| 12:43.36 | wasap | im a user comin from gentoo. can anyone tell me how to install nvidia drivers |
| 12:43.54 | wasap | or how to close X so i can install the package from the site |
| 12:44.07 | ledet | wasap: apt-cache search nvidia |
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| 12:44.19 | wasap | ya i get one result |
| 12:44.27 | wasap | a nvidia config app |
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| 12:44.37 | ledet | wasap: are you running testing? |
| 12:44.41 | wasap | ya |
| 12:45.10 | chrysopa | Hi, how to discover the network card model using only a floppy? |
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| 12:45.32 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: http://gpoppy.org/menu.lst |
| 12:45.32 | Phu_Bhar | 'Bye now |
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| 12:46.09 | chrysopa | I need to know the netword card model do make boot floppy using tcpboot. |
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| 12:47.04 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, thanks |
| 12:47.08 | Ftroop | wassup ./msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 12:47.25 | eka | how to allow a normal user to mount ?? |
| 12:47.41 | sirio | eka: man fstab |
| 12:47.48 | caphuso | man mount |
| 12:47.57 | [bman] | Procedure for fixing an unintentional mistake: 1) stick foot in mouth. 2) shoot foot |
| 12:48.07 | [bman] | :-P |
| 12:48.10 | Ftroop | lol |
| 12:48.15 | chrysopa | Any ideia? |
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| 12:48.47 | eka | ices |
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| 12:49.52 | [bman] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.52 | [bman] | it's in 'man mount' |
| 12:49.53 | eka | ok gotit |
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| 12:50.00 | eka | thx |
| 12:50.11 | takatumi | PReDaCoN: I don't think your error is in the menu.lst, probably in your kernel config. |
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| 12:50.51 | PReDaCoN | takatumi, mmmm i don't think |
| 12:51.03 | _r4ndom_ | How do I recompile a program, in this case mplayer? |
| 12:52.01 | TheZanke | i want to start the jedi academy server in the background to where if i close ssh it wont close the server... how do i do that? |
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| 12:53.27 | [bman] | TheZanke: you could have started it in 'screen' and just detached, or I think if you type 'Ctrl-z' and then type bg (to background the process to job) I think that might work... |
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| 12:54.01 | TheZanke | i tried taht but when i close ssh it still closes |
| 12:54.13 | [bman] | ah |
| 12:54.27 | [bman] | apt-get install screen; man screen |
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| 12:54.38 | _r4ndom_ | I will be right back |
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| 12:56.24 | caphuso | OMFG... nero burning crap for linux |
| 12:56.28 | FieldySnuts | ew |
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| 12:56.48 | FieldySnuts | if mkisofs/cdrecord/growisofs/k3b can't do it for you, you're a fucking idiot anyway |
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| 12:56.57 | simonrvn_ | bleh |
| 12:57.15 | [bman] | I wish I could use screen to move a process from one computer to another... guess I will have to wait for relocatable processes in the kernel :/ |
| 12:57.18 | takatumi | apparently you need a windows key for it. |
| 12:57.35 | quittt | por favor me passem o I need an FTP with Sarge! |
| 12:57.43 | FieldySnuts | relocatable processes, there's a huge remote exploitable idea |
| 12:57.50 | quittt | plz send me a FTP WITH SARGE |
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| 12:58.13 | nagual | hehe |
| 12:58.15 | simonrvn_ | quittt: what? try running apt-setup |
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| 12:58.29 | appaji | quittt: do you need an FTP client or an FPT server? Or an FTP location from where you want to be able to get sarge? |
| 12:58.35 | takatumi | quittt: you have been installing sarge for a month now. |
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| 12:58.53 | [bman] | dood |
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| 12:59.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: dood? |
| 12:59.02 | ravenbird | hmm... dood is a typo for d00d, or dutch for dead |
| 12:59.02 | R4Ndom | How would I go about recompiling something such as mplayer? |
| 12:59.11 | FieldySnuts | reading it's documentation |
| 12:59.19 | [bman] | ravenbird: haha |
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| 12:59.27 | quittt | appaji, a FTP where I can get sarge |
| 13:00.04 | [bman] | quittt: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 13:00.31 | quittt | [bman], plz send me one... my conection is a pieces of shit |
| 13:00.38 | appaji | quittt: ftp.us.debian.org would be the most up-to-date |
| 13:00.55 | quittt | appaji, send me whole directory plz |
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| 13:01.23 | [bman] | ?send you one? I'll send it via paper airplane... there ya go... |
| 13:01.30 | DebUser | I just apt-get install libapache-mod-python so I can run python on my server. But the webbrowser still doesn't recognise the files. I've made the beginning line #!/usr/bin/python should it be something else? |
| 13:01.30 | rincevent | hi |
| 13:01.32 | appaji | quittt: include this in your sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 13:02.07 | simonrvn | quittt: use. apt-setup. now. or copy&paste what appaji gave you into sources.list |
| 13:02.08 | quittt | appaji, I WANT A ISO MAN |
| 13:02.12 | takatumi | he asked for testing and seems lost, you are now giving the unstable line. purrfect! |
| 13:02.14 | quittt | sorry for the caps |
| 13:02.16 | simonrvn | so get one |
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| 13:02.34 | appaji | err, :s/unstable/testing/g |
| 13:02.39 | simonrvn | woops, though it said testing =) |
| 13:02.43 | simonrvn | thought* |
| 13:02.44 | quittt | simonrvn, I want the ISO |
| 13:02.55 | simonrvn | quittt: o go get it. www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 13:03.05 | appaji | quittt: do you want us to send a CD by mail/post? |
| 13:03.13 | simonrvn | follow the links until you find testing |
| 13:03.17 | [bman] | or support debian and buy one |
| 13:03.30 | appaji | quittt: you should talk to someone in your local LUG and try to get the CDs. |
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| 13:03.46 | quittt | appaji, I want an ISO of sarge |
| 13:03.48 | quittt | only that |
| 13:03.55 | takatumi | !d-i quittt |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | quittt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:04.00 | Ftroop | ?? |
| 13:04.03 | simonrvn | we told you where to get it. now go get it |
| 13:04.12 | appaji | phew! |
| 13:04.19 | Ftroop | lost me |
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| 13:04.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart quittt |
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| 13:04.47 | [bman] | heh |
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| 13:04.49 | Ftroop | lmao |
| 13:04.52 | FieldySnuts | it's not sunday yet, he's early. |
| 13:05.28 | Syrinx | it's sunday in some places |
| 13:05.36 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a way to get the standby/sleep timeouts for a harddisk? Haven't found anything useful in /proc/hdX/settings and hdparm just has the set standby flag |
| 13:06.06 | togs | no matter what I do, I can't get my debian box on the net. It's driving me nuts! |
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| 13:06.26 | [bman] | you shouldn't let it drive your nuts.. |
| 13:06.32 | takatumi | togs: can you ping a numeric ip? |
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| 13:06.40 | [bman] | jj |
| 13:06.44 | tyreth | I have a package that won't install because it is going to overwrite a file from another package. How can I force it to install and overwrite this file instead of just failing? |
| 13:06.50 | toresbe | takatumi: what other kind of IPs are there? :P |
| 13:06.58 | togs | takatumi, no, it passes to my ADSL modem, doesn't go any further |
| 13:07.16 | takatumi | toresbe: just making extra sure :) |
| 13:08.11 | togs | the modem gives out a 192.168.0.x address, then I ran the pppoeconf util to set that up |
| 13:08.20 | togs | to set up pppoe, that is |
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| 13:08.41 | togs | even after that, it doesn't get anywhere |
| 13:09.38 | togs | better detail here - http://techdiscussions.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2442 |
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| 13:11.45 | redduck666 | can anyone please name few good apt-get repositories? |
| 13:11.49 | visual_ | ok, i forgot to install desktrop envoirement to debian |
| 13:11.54 | visual_ | how can i install it now? |
| 13:12.00 | [bman] | redduck666: check out apt-spy |
| 13:12.18 | simonrvn | redduck666: apt-setup |
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| 13:13.49 | tarzeau | is there any apt software that installs recommends? |
| 13:14.06 | [bman] | synaptic? |
| 13:14.14 | [bman] | aptitude |
| 13:14.18 | tarzeau | [bman]: they do? |
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| 13:14.27 | [bman] | you just have to look |
| 13:14.49 | visual_ | dudes i need help, i need to get desktop env. to debian, and i need some http program |
| 13:14.56 | [bman] | hit enter in aptitude on a package and it will list 'suggests' and 'recommends' |
| 13:14.57 | visual_ | i got basic debian right now running on a shell |
| 13:15.01 | visual_ | what to do |
| 13:15.24 | [bman] | visual_: tasksel |
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| 13:15.45 | togs | visual_, get the hard disk working ok? |
| 13:15.57 | PerfDave | visual_: You want to install a GUI? |
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| 13:16.16 | Netsnipe | has anyone else encountered sarge-rc2 hanging at "Configuring Network Interfaces" on the initial boot as well? |
| 13:16.33 | PerfDave | Netsnipe: Hanging, or just timing out DHCP, which can take a minute or two? |
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| 13:16.41 | takatumi | togs: you could try posting to the debian-user list, I too have a dlink (different model), it must be something specific to your ADSL modem. |
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| 13:16.46 | Netsnipe | PerfDave: hanging. no msgs. |
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| 13:17.05 | Netsnipe | PerfDave: whether I'm using static or dhcp. |
| 13:17.07 | PerfDave | visual_: apt-get install kdebase xserver-common |
| 13:17.11 | PerfDave | Netsnipe: In that case, no idea. |
| 13:17.12 | visual_ | PerfDave i want to get desktop env and stuff |
| 13:17.16 | togs | not going to piss anybody off takatumi? |
| 13:17.20 | visual_ | PerfDave what i gotta type |
| 13:17.30 | skydoll | lu tous |
| 13:17.35 | PerfDave | visual_: Did you not select "desktop environment" while installing? |
| 13:17.42 | togs | i'm finding that the dhcp lease only lasts for a few seconds as well |
| 13:17.51 | [Outlaw] | A heathen Whirlpool user is among us! |
| 13:18.38 | Netsnipe | wtf? |
| 13:18.45 | takatumi | Netsnipe: currently installing from a sarge businesscard iso on the desktop, passed that stage without problems. (not rc2 though, current) |
| 13:18.54 | Netsnipe | --- [[Outlaw]] (~dave@220-253-116-202.ACT.netspace.net.au) : Dave |
| 13:18.54 | Netsnipe | --- [[Outlaw]] irc.freenode.net :Sat Mar 12 13:17:55 2005 |
| 13:19.03 | Netsnipe | hmm...someone recognised me from whirlpool.net.au = ) |
| 13:19.50 | Netsnipe | hmm...I'll try a daily build instead. |
| 13:20.21 | visual_ | PerfDave yes but now im installing it using tasksel |
| 13:20.22 | visual_ | thanks |
| 13:20.45 | PerfDave | visual_: If you installed it, then chances are that it's there but not working / configured correctly. /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 13:21.31 | websdale | togs:have you checked your DHCP client config isn't doing anything strange ? just a guess |
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| 13:21.56 | togs | i wouldn't know what to look for |
| 13:22.56 | [bman] | togs: checking in /var/log/ would be where I would start. checking the messages and syslog files... |
| 13:23.01 | Ftroop | is there an easy way to install the nvidia drivers into sarge with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:23.21 | togs | oky, thanks |
| 13:23.36 | Ftroop | i have the new driver package from nvidia but can i use this? |
| 13:23.37 | takatumi | !tell Ftroop -about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:23.49 | togs | got any other suggestions while i'm here; i have to swap stuff out to use the other box |
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| 13:25.14 | Henning | Ftroop: 2.6.11 or older? I've heard there are issues with that one. |
| 13:25.16 | simonrvn | [bman]: dsl bridge? or cable? |
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| 13:25.21 | togs | lucky you :P |
| 13:25.49 | [bman] | simonrvn: bridge, but I am thinking about dropping my phone line for the cable... |
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| 13:25.53 | Ftroop | 2.6.8-k7 |
| 13:25.55 | togs | all right, i'll check the logs and see what I see |
| 13:26.02 | redduck666 | how do you install DEB from terminal? in fedora "rpm -Uvh *filename.rpm*" can do it, is it in debian "deb -Uvh *filename.deb*"? |
| 13:26.05 | simonrvn | [bman]: *nods* |
| 13:26.18 | caphuso | redduck666: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 13:26.22 | simonrvn | redduck666: no. man dpkg. look for --install or -i |
| 13:26.31 | [bman] | qwest - spirit of greed |
| 13:26.43 | redduck666 | thanks |
| 13:26.45 | [bman] | s/greed/service/ |
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| 13:27.34 | [bman] | simonrvn: what region? |
| 13:27.37 | simonrvn | cheap, good service, and allow servers. with decent bndwidth. what more could you ask for? :) |
| 13:27.47 | simonrvn | ontario/quebec |
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| 13:28.07 | caphuso | simonrvn: excellent bandwidth instead of just decent one |
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| 13:28.17 | eka | hi all |
| 13:28.37 | simonrvn | 3 Mb/800 kb is ok by me |
| 13:28.39 | eka | how to change grub from loading from MBR to the Boot partition? |
| 13:28.52 | eka | !dpkg grub |
| 13:28.52 | dpkg | grub is, like, [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 13:28.57 | [bman] | simonrwn: hehe. right on. I'm in tacoma, WA. I have the speakeasy 6M/768k at home with a few statics. |
| 13:29.15 | [bman] | it's nice. |
| 13:29.44 | [bman] | expensive, but worth it. (especially when your roommates chip in) |
| 13:29.51 | simonrvn | now i gotta figure out what's wrong with my kerberos |
| 13:30.14 | [bman] | I have some experience with kerberos. what's qwalming you? |
| 13:30.38 | simonrvn | versioned symbols. build issue |
| 13:30.42 | [bman] | ah |
| 13:31.54 | simonrvn | newer upstream stuff has things that integrate better with ldap, so i'm building debs locally instead of using the pre-packaged ones |
| 13:32.49 | [bman] | yea. I tried to setup a trust between an obsd box and win2k... |
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| 13:33.16 | simonrvn | using AD? or some oldap krb5 samba thing? |
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| 13:33.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 13:33.53 | [bman] | ;) |
| 13:34.07 | absence | what could be wrong when logging in from kdm with kde as session type simply starts an xterm and nothing else? |
| 13:34.51 | NaRF | can anybody tell me how the debian-package for the "opengl libraries" is called? |
| 13:35.04 | simonrvn | @tell NaRF -about search |
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| 13:35.15 | valdyn | NaRF: which opengl libraries |
| 13:35.18 | simonrvn | absence: tried another session type? |
| 13:35.51 | netgod | NarF: apt-cache search opengl | grep lib | more |
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| 13:36.49 | absence | simonrvn the others give the same result |
| 13:37.12 | NaRF | netgod, thank's. i'm not sure which of those i'll actually need, but i guess i'll find the right one |
| 13:37.46 | Ftroop | ok tried the instructions for the nvidia kernel and no good can i run the official driver from nvidia |
| 13:37.57 | simonrvn | absence: the xterm only session is a "rescue" type session. what other sessions are there? do you have an ~/.xsession? |
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| 13:39.31 | valdyn | absence: kdm doesnt seem to depend on kde, so you might just not have it installed |
| 13:39.35 | idefx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.40 | idefx | sorry |
| 13:39.52 | eka | grub can be chaged from MBR to Boot device? |
| 13:40.01 | absence | valdyn, the kde metapackage is installed |
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| 13:42.01 | topa_ | !nvidia |
| 13:42.01 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 13:42.41 | absence | simonrvn, the guy i'm helping can't remember the exact names, but has no .xsession file |
| 13:43.08 | Zambba | Hello! Is "sarge" testing or unstable? Which kernel it has? Is it as easy to install as woody? |
| 13:43.18 | nagual | hehe |
| 13:43.23 | nagual | you think woody is easy to install? :) |
| 13:43.24 | simonrvn | absence: /msg (dpkg|ravenbird) xsession |
| 13:43.29 | topa_ | absence there neednt be a ~/.Xsession |
| 13:43.54 | topa_ | X will take it from /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession |
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| 13:44.01 | topa_ | the default one |
| 13:44.02 | Zambba | nagual: I don't think it's easy to install, but easy enough for me. :) |
| 13:44.04 | simonrvn | absence: for a start. usually when that "rescue" session is started it means something bad happened, or you have no other session types to log into |
| 13:44.15 | Pappa | Zambba: if you already have a running woody, dist-upgrade it to sarge |
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| 13:44.29 | Zambba | Pappa: I have just killed my woody and I don't want to repair it |) |
| 13:44.34 | valdyn | absence: is this a fresh install? |
| 13:44.39 | absence | valdyn, yes |
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| 13:44.57 | Pappa | sarge isn't hard to install at all if you ask me :p |
| 13:45.07 | valdyn | absence: im not sure how kdes session management tool is called, see if its running |
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| 13:45.27 | absence | topa_ there is no such file |
| 13:45.36 | valdyn | absence: kdeinit or ksmserver or uh, i dont know =/ |
| 13:45.45 | Zambba | Can you tell me which version is sarge using? |
| 13:45.55 | Pappa | testing |
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| 13:46.12 | Zambba | testing version of kernel? 2.6? |
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| 13:46.27 | topa_ | absence /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 13:46.42 | valdyn | Zambba: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 are what the currently supported kernels are based on |
| 13:46.46 | Pappa | Zambba: both |
| 13:47.05 | Pappa | in the d-i, either select linux or linux26 |
| 13:47.15 | Zambba | Ok, cool :P |
| 13:47.24 | PerfDave | Woody is easy to install, takes under 45 minutes. Sarge takes under half an hour. |
| 13:47.25 | Zambba | Can i use netinst to install it? |
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| 13:47.41 | PerfDave | Zambba: Sarge is testing, has a new, easier installation. Read the Installation Manual. |
| 13:47.50 | Zambba | Okay. |
| 13:47.51 | PerfDave | Zambba: You can, but it's not necessarily advisable |
| 13:47.55 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 13:47.55 | dpkg | i guess full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
| 13:48.01 | PerfDave | !d-i Zambba |
| 13:48.02 | dpkg | Zambba, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:48.05 | simonrvn | toresbe: they're stored under /usr/share/xsession(s) now |
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| 13:48.15 | Zambba | I installed my woody with netinst |
| 13:48.17 | absence | valdyn, do you know where kdm gets the list of available sessions from? |
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| 13:48.44 | simonrvn | i was born with my woody |
| 13:48.58 | kps | hi, what's the correct access bits for /home |
| 13:48.59 | Pappa | btw the buisness card is broken i think |
| 13:49.04 | kps | i have drwxrwsr-x 4 root staff 4096 2005-01-05 20:19 home |
| 13:49.12 | PerfDave | Zambba: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 13:49.13 | Zambba | I have 3 computers so I can use some another when my Linux computer is downloading |
| 13:49.16 | valdyn | absence: not really , guess /etc/X11/Xsession* |
| 13:49.31 | Zambba | PerfDave: I don't have woody anymore on my computer. |
| 13:49.35 | simonrvn | kps: default. change according to your site's policy |
| 13:49.37 | PerfDave | Zambba: Oh, fair enough. |
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| 13:50.11 | Pappa | wierd thing: my eth0 is set to 192.168.0.1, but the other computers in the network resolves it to 192.168.0.2 (via WINS) |
| 13:50.19 | Pappa | why? |
| 13:50.25 | valdyn | absence: did you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade run to its end flawless? |
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| 13:50.40 | kps | simonrvn, it's just my own workstation |
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| 13:50.55 | simonrvn | so set it according to what you need/want |
| 13:51.02 | kps | but just wondering if there is some special idea with having that s there e.g. |
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| 13:51.10 | Zambba | I have AC'97 piece of shit as sound device and I couldn't make it work on Woody's old kernel |
| 13:51.11 | simonrvn | setgid |
| 13:51.30 | simonrvn | so staff group members can add users |
| 13:51.46 | kps | ok thanks for the explanation |
| 13:51.56 | absence | valdyn, yes |
| 13:51.56 | simonrvn | (or remove :) |
| 13:52.13 | kps | ok i keep that, it seems to have worked fine so far |
| 13:52.14 | PerfDave | !ac97 |
| 13:52.15 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 13:52.22 | absence | valdyn, thing is, if he logs in from xdm, he gets kde. but not from kdm |
| 13:52.38 | PerfDave | Zambba: Bear in mind that Sarge doesn't get security updates, if that's important for you. |
| 13:52.45 | Zambba | okay :/ |
| 13:53.05 | Zambba | i'm planning to run httpd server on that computer |
| 13:53.06 | simonrvn | kps: take a look at /usr/local, it's set the same. similar reason, so group staff can add/delete stuff under /usr/local |
| 13:53.07 | valdyn | absence: look at /var/log/gdm* |
| 13:53.10 | valdyn | absence: look at /var/log/kdm* |
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| 13:54.01 | Zambba | I think I have on that mainboard VIA82cxxx audio or something. When I tried Fedora Core 3 the sound worked fine. But Fedora is just wrong distribution for me. :P |
| 13:54.10 | Zambba | I like Debian more :) |
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| 13:54.32 | tarzeau | hilarious "I don't play often at JumpBump. I'd like to but when my friend is here, we do something else." ... something else? |
| 13:54.34 | valdyn | absence: and ~/.xsession-errors, if you didnt do that |
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| 13:55.36 | kps | simonrvn, btw now i remember i have that setgid also in /usr/src so i can compile stuff there as 'kps' |
| 13:55.54 | [bman] | kps: or check out 'dpkg-reconfigure adduser' |
| 13:56.15 | kps | ok i'll see |
| 13:56.48 | kps | ok thanks, later |
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| 13:57.11 | [bman] | er... I was also going to suggest 'info coreutils chmod' |
| 13:57.15 | [bman] | but... |
| 13:57.44 | rover_dan | need your help! failed to compile ipw2200 as kernel 2.6.9 module. error msg is dh_builddeb --destdir=/home/dan dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775) |
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| 13:58.38 | raf256 | how can I make Linux with XFree detect and use the keys Power/Sleep/Wake on keyboard? (I want to assign them to something with xbindkeys, I do NOT want them to rely turn off computer etc) |
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| 13:59.16 | simonrvn | Kbyte: yeh, like owner:group kps:src for example |
| 13:59.46 | simonrvn | Kbyte: sorry |
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| 13:59.52 | simonrvn | they left too fast... |
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| 14:00.42 | geewz_ | hey there, can anyone answer a basic PATH question from a NooB? |
| 14:00.50 | rover_dan | I haved gived 777 mode to the dir /home/dan but still yeiled out failure. |
| 14:00.55 | absence | valdyn, just regular X stuff in kdm.log |
| 14:01.02 | absence | valdyn, there's no .xsession-errors |
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| 14:02.04 | tursiux | hola |
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| 14:04.19 | simonrvn | rover_dan: not a good idea to do that. 777 is almost never a good idea, and doesn't fix anything |
| 14:04.31 | simonrvn | /tmp gets 1777 |
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| 14:04.59 | watchdog | hello ! |
| 14:05.19 | [bman] | it's complaining about the control directory, which i believe is the debian/ directory in the source directory for the module/src he compiling |
| 14:05.28 | watchdog | anyone having been facing problems in the use of video capture devices on linux ? |
| 14:06.00 | watchdog | I'm trying to run a USB-post based device to capture videos (the hardware is from ADS Tech) |
| 14:06.03 | [bman] | or it's just the source directory |
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| 14:06.51 | rover_dan | thanx, simonrvn. and how can i deal with the bad permissions 2755 ()must be >=0755 and <=0775 |
| 14:07.10 | simonrvn | what? |
| 14:07.45 | simonrvn | oh, just remove the setuid on the dir |
| 14:08.10 | tuxracer | Hi everybody ! I have moved the $HOME- directory of USER to /home, fixed /etc/passwd, can login without errors, but "su - USER" does not find the $HOME any more --- strange! |
| 14:08.57 | [bman] | tuxracer: maybe also fix the -passwd, shadow, and -shadow files? |
| 14:09.15 | [bman] | or use usermod next time ;) |
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| 14:09.27 | tuxracer | shadow ? ok ican give this USER a new password |
| 14:09.56 | tuxracer | i would never cange shadow* directly |
| 14:10.16 | tuxracer | sorry for typos - bad keyboard |
| 14:10.36 | simonrvn | adduser, please :) |
| 14:10.45 | watchdog | aybe somebody knows a channle on video drivers for Debian, not to bother you... |
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| 14:11.24 | [bman] | man 8 usermod |
| 14:11.24 | [bman] | check out the -d option |
| 14:11.32 | tuxracer | yes, as root changing password does not work |
| 14:11.41 | tungsten | I'd like to take variable length video clip from tv and play them back thru my computer. What technology should I be looking at? |
| 14:11.42 | tuxracer | will do a adduser |
| 14:11.53 | tuxracer | without -m and so on |
| 14:12.58 | tuxracer | thanks all - just wanted to avoid adduser |
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| 14:13.47 | [bman] | tungsten: I don't know anything about it, but mythtv works for my roommate... |
| 14:13.49 | rover_dan | simonrvn, did you mean "chmod -s /home/dan" ? |
| 14:15.10 | simonrvn | the dir you're building this in. should do it recursively (be careful how you do it, though just u-s should be ok) |
| 14:15.33 | tuxracer | oh, just do a "usermod -d /home/USER USER" worked ! great ! |
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| 14:16.00 | [bman] | ;) |
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| 14:16.49 | tursiux | HOLA |
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| 14:17.19 | nono | hi guys |
| 14:17.20 | tungsten | bman: thanks |
| 14:17.28 | [bman] | tungsten: np |
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| 14:17.37 | nono | Someone knows if there is something similar to cursorXP in Linux? |
| 14:17.40 | Topclass | hi has anyone heard of a base system install error where it says the kernel being installed is the same as the one being installed even thou its a clean install? |
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| 14:18.04 | tursiux | hello nonp |
| 14:18.06 | tursiux | hello nono |
| 14:18.07 | mwilson | nono: Will you be bothering to tell anyone what "cursorXP" even is? |
| 14:18.44 | tursiux | hello |
| 14:18.48 | tursiux | help |
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| 14:18.51 | tursiux | please |
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| 14:19.20 | mwilson | tursiux: I'm afraid our mind-reading powers aren't working today... what is it that you think you need help with? |
| 14:19.39 | tursiux | thank you |
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| 14:19.47 | rover_dan | simonrvn, after "chmod u-s dan", the same erro msg yeiled out. |
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| 14:20.04 | Topclass | guess no one has heard of this install error then :( |
| 14:20.27 | rover_dan | the permission still 2755 :( |
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| 14:20.56 | simonrvn | rover_dan: um, re-read what i said. |
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| 14:21.52 | Xer | hi |
| 14:21.56 | Xer | i have problem |
| 14:22.21 | [bman] | problems are answered by questions |
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| 14:22.27 | javier2005 | hey makina |
| 14:22.30 | [bman] | ;) |
| 14:23.01 | sussudio | [bman]: no they're not |
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| 14:23.15 | tursiux | hola javi |
| 14:23.16 | sussudio | problems are solved by taking away the cause of the problem. |
| 14:23.22 | [bman] | sussudio: well they aren't answered by plee's for help |
| 14:23.48 | Topclass | has anyone heard of a base system install error where it says the kernel being installed is the same as the one being installed even thou its a clean install? (last time i will ask for now :D) |
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| 14:24.01 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.03 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.05 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.11 | Xer | thats my problem |
| 14:24.12 | sussudio | "plee's" is about as wrong as you can spell that. ohwell. |
| 14:24.18 | sussudio | !tell Xer about flood |
| 14:24.41 | sussudio | hmmmm |
| 14:24.43 | Xer | aha |
| 14:24.44 | sussudio | wasn't he banned? |
| 14:24.47 | [bman] | sussudio: sory, mi spealling is sooo badd |
| 14:24.49 | Xer | there is a site for pasting :) |
| 14:25.01 | Xer | sorry next time i will past it on the site :) |
| 14:25.01 | [bman] | :-D |
| 14:25.11 | sussudio | -!- 48 - #debian: ban %*!*@lac065.emirates.net.ae [by xk!foobar@l3-202-89-186-13.arach.net.au, 872333 secs ago] |
| 14:25.15 | sussudio | yeah, thought so. |
| 14:25.15 | reNegad3 | aghh, has any successfully transffered music to a shuffle iPod and been able to play it?? |
| 14:25.40 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.52 | sussudio | reNegad3: does this look like #apple-support ? |
| 14:25.52 | Xer | [thats in one line :D] |
| 14:25.55 | takatumi | emirates.net.ae is like the whole of .ae |
| 14:25.55 | reNegad3 | no |
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| 14:26.02 | sussudio | takatumi: yes, it is. |
| 14:26.09 | reNegad3 | sussudio, are you always this smart to people?? |
| 14:26.13 | Xer | now now now , answer me :D |
| 14:26.28 | takatumi | Xer: fix your initrd |
| 14:26.30 | sussudio | reNegad3: i find that a lot of people are stupid, yes. |
| 14:26.51 | Xer | <-- idiot , dont know initrd [ is this for ram swap?] |
| 14:26.58 | reNegad3 | sussudio, the only reason I am asking is, is because I have debian installed and have gtkpod and exhausted all my possibilities of trying to get it working |
| 14:27.08 | takatumi | Xer: is this debian? |
| 14:27.15 | reNegad3 | sussudio, I find that you are very ignorant yourself!!!!!!!!1 |
| 14:27.20 | sussudio | takatumi: i'm guessing knoppix/ubuntu |
| 14:27.22 | Xer | yes |
| 14:27.26 | rover_dan | simonrvn, excuse me. I'm a newbie:( and i can't really get what you meanning, would u please give me more clues? |
| 14:27.34 | sussudio | reNegad3: you make me laugh. |
| 14:27.41 | takatumi | Xer: which version of debian? |
| 14:27.53 | reNegad3 | sussudio, well I should become a comedian then, ey |
| 14:27.54 | Xer | kernel source 2.6.9.dep after i unpack it i get file.tar or samethinges |
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| 14:28.07 | Xer | i think the last one :) |
| 14:28.11 | sussudio | reNegad3: i'm laughing at you, not with you... |
| 14:28.15 | reNegad3 | sussudio, if your so smart please tell me how I can resolve my problem then |
| 14:28.20 | reNegad3 | same shit |
| 14:28.26 | sussudio | haha... |
| 14:28.36 | simonrvn | rover_dan: info chmod |
| 14:28.38 | mattboll_ | debmirror --progress -m --nosource --passive -h ftp.fr.debian.org -e ftp -d sid --getcontents /partoche/mirror/ |
| 14:28.43 | mattboll_ | why doesn't it works ? |
| 14:28.46 | takatumi | Xer: somethingeees, don't compile your kernel, or read up well before you do. |
| 14:28.47 | sussudio | it doesn't help to come in here with an alternating caps/numbers nick. |
| 14:28.50 | reNegad3 | sussudio, please, im waiting |
| 14:28.54 | Xer | i did |
| 14:29.10 | [bman] | rover_dan: or 'info coreutils chmod' |
| 14:29.11 | mattboll_ | Release signature does not verify, use -v to see the gpg error. |
| 14:29.12 | Xer | i get all thinges and update all programs |
| 14:29.12 | mattboll_ | Failed to download some Package, Sources, Contents or release files! |
| 14:29.18 | nono | Someone knows if there is something similar to cursorXP in Linux? |
| 14:29.18 | Xer | then i start the compleing |
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| 14:29.29 | Ronin | nono: what is cursorxp? |
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| 14:29.36 | Topclass | if i use a different base install cd that's not the offical debian installer how easy is it to get everything running with x and kde from a console (complete debian noob) |
| 14:29.39 | Xer | after i did i reboot [i configed my kernel first] then its gived me that shit |
| 14:29.50 | Xer | i mean my grub ;) |
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| 14:30.29 | reNegad3 | sussudio, just wondering why you arent being smart to all the users in this chan?? |
| 14:30.48 | reNegad3 | and why you arent laughing "at" them?? |
| 14:31.01 | cinix | lol |
| 14:31.04 | cinix | ;) |
| 14:31.05 | Ftroop | help! i can no longer play dvd or audio disks i keep getting an error Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0 |
| 14:31.10 | cinix | l33T |
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| 14:31.45 | rover_dan | thanx, simonrvn & [bman] |
| 14:31.59 | Xer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.04 | [bman] | np. |
| 14:32.32 | mwilson | nono: Will you be telling anyone what "cursorXP" is? |
| 14:32.45 | Xer | <<<-=|||=-----=-----<----<<<--<=- my turn to get same help ;) |
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| 14:33.17 | takatumi | Xer: do you have any other bootable kernels? |
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| 14:33.19 | mwilson | great... maintainer broke xfe |
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| 14:33.28 | Xer | yes |
| 14:33.33 | cinix | Ftroop, check the permissions, or try to mount as root if you aren't. |
| 14:33.35 | Xer | 2.6.8 |
| 14:33.39 | [bman] | Xer: my guess would be that you didn't build an initrd for that kernel. check out: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00270.html |
| 14:33.48 | takatumi | Xer: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:33.55 | Xer | yes i didnt |
| 14:34.01 | Xer | i dont know what is initrd |
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| 14:34.39 | [bman] | hmm. maybe that wasn't a very good example... maybe just do what I did and search google with: site:debian.org initrd |
| 14:34.55 | Xer | lol |
| 14:34.59 | Xer | i found samethinges |
| 14:35.13 | Xer | initrd.img |
| 14:35.14 | Xer | :) |
| 14:35.19 | Xer | whats now? |
| 14:35.20 | Xer | :S |
| 14:35.33 | xk | Xer: are you that troll from last week? :) |
| 14:35.43 | Xer | i didnt troll |
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| 14:35.53 | visual__ | hi |
| 14:36.05 | thoreauputic | xk: he's been kicked from #ubuntu several times |
| 14:36.05 | xk | :) |
| 14:36.08 | visual__ | could any1 tell me how i change refresh rate in debian desktop? |
| 14:36.09 | [bman] | !fish |
| 14:36.09 | dpkg | methinks fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg |
| 14:36.28 | visual__ | anyone? |
| 14:36.32 | xk | !any1 |
| 14:36.32 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 14:36.46 | visual__ | it only allows me to use 60mhz refresh rate |
| 14:36.48 | Xer | !xer |
| 14:36.49 | xk | visual__: try xvidtune |
| 14:36.52 | visual__ | but i want 75 atleast |
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| 14:37.11 | visual__ | and why does my sarge debian runs soooo slow? |
| 14:37.20 | visual__ | i got 333mhz p2, 64 RAM, 8mb Video |
| 14:37.22 | xk | what processor do you have? and ram? |
| 14:37.24 | mwilson | visual__: Just because you want something does not make it possible. |
| 14:37.25 | visual__ | any idea how to make it faster? |
| 14:37.30 | xk | well, you need _more_ ram than that, for sure. |
| 14:37.41 | xk | try 512megs if you want it to be smooth. |
| 14:37.52 | visual__ | but is there any desktop env. what take less ram? |
| 14:38.08 | xk | don't touch the DEs... try a bare WM like afterstep or fluxbox. |
| 14:38.10 | Ronin | visual__: yes things like fluxbox etc |
| 14:38.11 | [bman] | fluxbox |
| 14:38.20 | xk | I even run afterstep on an athlon 3000+ |
| 14:38.28 | [bman] | or twm |
| 14:38.29 | [bman] | ;) |
| 14:38.36 | visual__ | wich is better fluxbox or afterstep? |
| 14:38.38 | takatumi | or ion3 |
| 14:38.41 | xk | and it feels slower than my old dual celeron on 2.4.x ;) |
| 14:38.42 | visual__ | i have gnome right now i think |
| 14:38.48 | visual__ | this is my first linux |
| 14:39.01 | Ftroop | mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist |
| 14:39.01 | Ftroop | Please check that the disk is entered correctly. |
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| 14:39.04 | mwilson | Define "better". |
| 14:39.20 | thoreauputic | visual_, icewm is pretty usable on old machines |
| 14:39.26 | Ftroop | wont mount any dvd or cd ?? |
| 14:39.28 | xk | !tell mwilson -about dict better |
| 14:39.34 | xk | ;o |
| 14:39.36 | [bman] | Ftroop: mkdir -p /media/cdrom0 |
| 14:39.51 | thoreauputic | visual_, icewm is kind of windows-ish |
| 14:39.58 | visual__ | hmm anyways, how i make this xvidtune to set new refresh rate? |
| 14:40.02 | visual__ | i cant understand nothing |
| 14:40.05 | Zambba | Which windows manager should I use? I have Duron 1000 with 384 MB:s of ram. |
| 14:40.24 | j_k | visual__: xvidtune can't set the refresh rate |
| 14:40.26 | Ronin | Zambba: heh anyone you want |
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| 14:40.37 | j_k | visual__: you need to change your X configuration |
| 14:40.50 | Zambba | I'd like to use KDE but in my last install process 'kdeinit' took 98% of my cpu and loads were very high :| |
| 14:40.52 | xk | how does X determine the refresh rate? |
| 14:40.57 | xk | does it use the maximum? |
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| 14:41.10 | j_k | xk: yes, for one's monitor. |
| 14:41.16 | mwilson | Oddly enough, it uses what it's been configured to use. Imagine that! |
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| 14:41.36 | visual__ | j_k how |
| 14:41.49 | Zambba | I like KDE because it looks like M$-Winblows |
| 14:42.02 | xk | j_k: well... that's only to specify the min/max for horizontal sync and vertical refresh. |
| 14:42.06 | netgod | xk: it uses the maximum modeline it thinks is possible, given your resolution and bit depth demands |
| 14:42.13 | j_k | visual__: there's a list of video modes, it picks the better one your monitor and card can handle |
| 14:42.17 | visual__ | i need to get higher refresh rate... |
| 14:42.22 | visual__ | j_k how i run this config |
| 14:42.28 | Ftroop | bman that works now ?? how come when i first installed dvd playback worked fine then the dirs just disappeared |
| 14:42.36 | j_k | visual__: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:42.47 | xk | hmmm. |
| 14:42.52 | j_k | visual__: pay apecial attention to questions about your monitor |
| 14:42.59 | xk | visual__: it also depends on your graphics card. |
| 14:43.15 | [bman] | Ftroop: I don't own a dvd-rom... |
| 14:43.18 | visual__ | windows gave me 100mhz refresh rate |
| 14:43.22 | Zambba | lol just counted that I have been using M$-Windows for 12 years :D |
| 14:43.34 | Zambba | the "lol" part of thing is that I'm 15 years old |
| 14:43.48 | visual__ | whats this: Please enter video card's bus identifier? |
| 14:43.51 | xk | Zambba: been using windows since your nappys days? :) |
| 14:43.52 | visual__ | whats bus identifier |
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| 14:44.12 | thoreauputic | visual_you can leave that |
| 14:44.15 | Zambba | xk: When I was three I started using computers with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 |
| 14:44.16 | Ftroop | it happened to both my dvd units they worked once then dirs just disappeared ...strange |
| 14:44.18 | Zambba | Piece of shit I say |
| 14:44.41 | nullvoid | how can I play .3gp |
| 14:44.42 | Zambba | Well now I have 3 computers and I use WinXP, Debian and Win98... |
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| 14:44.55 | xk | nullvoid: vlc (i've tested it 1-2 months ago) |
| 14:45.09 | takatumi | telnet kmuto.jp 12345, how is this done? |
| 14:45.24 | Althaser | which plugin should i install to playing wmv in totem ?? plz |
| 14:45.26 | xk | minicom? :) |
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| 14:45.31 | xk | dmesg? |
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| 14:46.05 | xk | what is it? |
| 14:46.18 | visual__ | hmm |
| 14:46.24 | visual__ | i changed horizontal and vertical synx |
| 14:46.31 | visual__ | but i still cant have over 60mhz when i check the applet |
| 14:46.40 | visual__ | what i gotta do exactly to get 75mhz |
| 14:46.42 | xk | visual__: what resolution? and size monitor? |
| 14:46.56 | visual__ | 1028 or something and monitor is 17" |
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| 14:47.01 | xk | takatumi: is this some tty->telnet relay? |
| 14:47.04 | visual__ | it worked all good on windows |
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| 14:47.16 | thoreauputic | visual__: changing depth from 24 to 16 might help |
| 14:47.16 | visual__ | ah no not 17" its 15" |
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| 14:47.26 | xk | heh. I'm running 1024x768 at 75mhz ;) |
| 14:47.28 | visual__ | i changed it to 16 since im using ati rage pro |
| 14:47.28 | xk | on 17" though |
| 14:47.31 | takatumi | xk: no idea, never seen anything like it. |
| 14:47.36 | visual__ | well xk how i set myself 75mhz |
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| 14:47.48 | takatumi | he's caught the whole d-i installation. |
| 14:47.49 | visual__ | what horiz. and vert. syncs i gotta place there |
| 14:47.51 | xk | well..... 75mhz pixel clock... but I'm not sure if that's what you want |
| 14:48.05 | xk | my vsync is 70.07hz |
| 14:48.06 | visual__ | i just want normal picture, my eyes are dying right now |
| 14:48.15 | Xer | kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0, , how2Fixthis? |
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| 14:48.28 | Zambba | Heh Xer I had that earlier today |
| 14:48.30 | visual__ | i want to set my refresh rate to 75mhz what exactly i should do then? |
| 14:48.31 | asg | xk: he probably just logged it in minicom and is replaying it by catting the file on connect to the port |
| 14:48.36 | xk | ahhh. |
| 14:48.44 | Xer | lol |
| 14:48.49 | asg | xk: like the ascii starwars thingy from way back |
| 14:48.55 | Zambba | You too were trying to compile kernel? |
| 14:49.02 | Xer | ;) |
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| 14:49.08 | Xer | i tryed this before a week |
| 14:49.10 | squiddle | hallo |
| 14:49.10 | Xer | i stoped it |
| 14:49.15 | squiddle | hi |
| 14:49.17 | Xer | then i start studing for exams |
| 14:49.25 | squiddle | is it possible to make a debian(sarge) installation in screen? |
| 14:49.28 | Xer | before few days i was trying to complite kernel 2.4 |
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| 14:49.30 | Xer | and its worked |
| 14:49.31 | squiddle | i wanna help my friend with it |
| 14:49.36 | Xer | but gnome didnt :\ |
| 14:49.45 | Xer | soo i get this 2.6.9 and that msg :\ |
| 14:49.47 | Zambba | squiddle: With ssh connection? |
| 14:49.53 | squiddle | yes |
| 14:50.05 | xk | good luck getting sshd running during the installation |
| 14:50.11 | eugenesan | hi all, how can i monitor disk activity (by proccess or user0 ? |
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| 14:50.20 | Xer | kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0, , how2Fixthis? |
| 14:50.30 | xk | I got it working... but since it had no pam libs, I had to use my ssh auth key instead. |
| 14:50.42 | asg | eugenesan: there really isn't a way to do it per process or per user |
| 14:50.45 | squiddle | xk and the installer? is it possible to let it start inside of screen so he can see what we do? |
| 14:50.49 | Xer | <<<<----=---- is here and asked question |
| 14:50.55 | Xer | kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0, , how2Fixthis? |
| 14:50.56 | Ftroop | its not just my dvd roms it is my settings for quite alot of software too they keep restting themselves ?? |
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| 14:51.22 | xk | squiddle: hrm... it would require more knowledge to setup sshd + screen than to install debian :) |
| 14:51.31 | squiddle | xk lol |
| 14:51.35 | eugenesan | asg: xmm, that's strange, nothing like "filemon' in NT? |
| 14:51.38 | Gnea | hrm |
| 14:51.40 | Xer | kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0, , how2Fixthis? |
| 14:51.42 | Gnea | !debmirror |
| 14:51.42 | dpkg | hmm... debmirror is a method of mirroring apt repositories on debian. |
| 14:51.46 | xk | squiddle: I don't understand what's so hard to install debian. |
| 14:52.02 | xk | to tell you the truth, slink is easier to install for me than sarge. |
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| 14:52.16 | xk | sarge is too friendly for the masses, and unfriendly to the oldschoolers like me. |
| 14:52.20 | asg | eugenesan: not that I'm aware of. You can use vmstat and iostat but not for per process. |
| 14:53.03 | asg | eugenesan: there might be a kernel patch that indicates such data in /proc/PID. You could google. |
| 14:53.20 | Twobarrel | im having trouble installing debian (its not detecting harddrive and i dont know which drivers to download), my harddrive is detected by redhat tho |
| 14:53.23 | eugenesan | asg: iostat shows VERY strange disk activity and i can't find where it comes from :-( |
| 14:53.27 | xk | squiddle: 7 years ago or so, I managed to tell somehow how to install debian... they did it with a breeze... and they were a windows user... although they did use/install slackware 12months before then. |
| 14:53.47 | xk | Twobarrel: SATA harddrive? |
| 14:53.53 | eugenesan | asg: maybe list of open files? |
| 14:53.58 | Twobarrel | ide |
| 14:54.08 | asg | eugenesan: lsof will list open files |
| 14:54.08 | dae_ | Hi, can anyone recommend a low resource window manager that supports running applications in full-screen mode ? |
| 14:54.11 | Twobarrel | dont know much about hardware so bare with me |
| 14:54.12 | squiddle | xk i think i got it :) but 7 years ago there have not been so much lazy-to-read people :o |
| 14:54.13 | asg | eugenesan: see http://kerneltrap.org/node/3722 also |
| 14:54.13 | xk | Twobarrel: pata then? |
| 14:54.19 | xk | Twobarrel: how new is the system? |
| 14:54.22 | Twobarrel | old |
| 14:54.27 | Twobarrel | 500mhz |
| 14:54.28 | squiddle | thx anyway |
| 14:54.38 | xk | Twobarrel: weird... debian should work on it without problems. |
| 14:54.49 | xk | anything should work on it. |
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| 14:54.57 | Twobarrel | controller is utlra 66 or something |
| 14:55.01 | xk | oh |
| 14:55.09 | xk | Twobarrel: is it an external ata66 controller? |
| 14:55.16 | Twobarrel | no |
| 14:55.25 | xk | what chipset? hpt366? |
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| 14:55.32 | eugenesan | asg: should lsof also list open tcp connections? |
| 14:55.35 | Twobarrel | do not know |
| 14:55.37 | websdale | FTroop:have you got 'discover' installed - if so it may be what's changing your dvd dirs |
| 14:55.38 | Twobarrel | sorry |
| 14:55.53 | xk | Twobarrel: well... that's one of the problems. you need to find out what chipset it is. |
| 14:56.02 | xk | before you can find a solution. |
| 14:56.14 | Kerr | ugh |
| 14:56.31 | Twobarrel | i know once before i had a problem with redhat (the same prob) and a new version of red hat came out and it installed fine |
| 14:56.32 | xk | Twobarrel: what's the problem during installation? it doesn't list any harddrives to install on? |
| 14:56.34 | asg | eugenesan: yes |
| 14:56.47 | Twobarrel | hard disk not detected it says |
| 14:56.56 | Twobarrel | one sec |
| 14:57.16 | eugenesan | asg : ok, thanks for info. BTW grepping lsof output will give some sort of per user/PID file activity :-) |
| 14:57.24 | Zambba | Hmm I have got two 4GB hard disks on my Linux computer |
| 14:57.35 | Ftroop | I am sorry i need to ask a really lame question how can i play cd back when using an audidgy soundcard with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:57.35 | Twobarrel | word from word ( No hard disk detected) thats it |
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| 14:57.42 | Zambba | How could I use them both? :$ Can I easy make them show as same partition? |
| 14:57.47 | xk | Twobarrel: weird. |
| 14:57.52 | Zambba | Or how should I mount them? |
| 14:57.58 | Ftroop | i can never get sound |
| 14:58.01 | asg | eugenesan: activity yes, but not throughput and other things. The link to kernel trap indicates patches and tools that were proposed by SGI for doing such things. |
| 14:58.26 | Kerr | holy shit.. All your base are belong to aol: http://www.benstanfield.com/thrash/2005/03/aol_eavesdrops_.html |
| 14:58.28 | Zambba | How do you suggest to setup two 4 Gt disks? |
| 14:58.34 | Kerr | I've always suspected that any contract with aol could be sumamted as 'Your soul is ours now, get over it' ... but their recent change in TOS is shocking. Even for them. |
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| 14:59.10 | xk | zamolxes: 4 gig for /, another 4 for /home ;) |
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| 14:59.16 | xk | bah, zambba rather. |
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| 14:59.58 | Zambba | Uhhmm is /home really the one what takes most of the diskspace? |
| 15:00.12 | xk | no.. but I prefer a place to put data on. |
| 15:00.16 | xk | separate from system files. |
| 15:00.18 | PerfDave | Zambba: Depends how much stuff you've got ;) |
| 15:00.34 | Laney | How long would one expect make-jpkg to take? It's been going for about an hour now (Pentium 200) |
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| 15:00.58 | Twobarrel | oh (xk) my hard drive is (IBM-DPTA-372730) if that helps |
| 15:01.01 | xk | Laney: 2.6.x kernel (the source) |
| 15:01.07 | hellz_hunter | is there a webpage i can get kernel/debian config for getting udev to work??? |
| 15:01.14 | xk | Laney: ? |
| 15:01.16 | SpamHog | Any insight about D-I netinstall breaking? I just used 11-Mar snap (floppy, 386) & it seems like a mess... Did this happen before? |
| 15:01.21 | Laney | Trying to make a java deb |
| 15:01.22 | xk | Twobarrel: is that what the kernel displayed? |
| 15:01.29 | Twobarrel | no |
| 15:01.37 | Zambba | So which folder takes most space, typically? |
| 15:01.38 | xk | oh. er. |
| 15:01.39 | Twobarrel | i looked in redhat hardware viewer |
| 15:01.42 | xk | !folder |
| 15:01.43 | dpkg | [folder] a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 15:02.02 | xk | Twobarrel: got access to a terminal/shell? |
| 15:02.03 | Laney | It's been "dpkg-deb: building package `sun-j2sdk1.4' in `/tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXohj93W/sun-j2sdk1.4_1.4.2+07_i386.deb'." for ages now |
| 15:02.03 | valdyn | SpamHog: daily snapshots are broke regularily |
| 15:02.08 | Twobarrel | nope |
| 15:02.18 | Twobarrel | im on windows xp os right now |
| 15:02.19 | Zambba | ok, directory, directory, directory - trying to remember! I'm too poisoned with M$! |
| 15:02.23 | xk | Twobarrel: ah ok. |
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| 15:02.44 | Twobarrel | other computer not connected to internet yet |
| 15:02.50 | SpamHog | val, It was propounded as alternative to known broken RC2 due to "preparations for RC3" |
| 15:03.12 | Zambba | awwww |
| 15:03.15 | cast | there uh, wouldnt happen to be any civil engineers around would there? |
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| 15:03.19 | Zambba | is my cd drive broken or something uuh |
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| 15:03.31 | Zambba | it tries to boot from cd but it can't make it |
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| 15:03.40 | SpamHog | cast: not, but I can pretend to a good extent... |
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| 15:03.44 | Laney | Oh, it just finished. Answer: About 75 minutes |
| 15:03.45 | Twobarrel | (xk) you asked what chipset i had (where would i find that info in redhat) do you know |
| 15:03.46 | totodughetto | hello |
| 15:03.51 | xk | Laney: heh. |
| 15:03.54 | xk | Laney: how much ram on the machine? |
| 15:03.57 | Laney | 256 |
| 15:04.14 | xk | Twobarrel: well... one way would be with a shell... "dmesg | grep -i ide" |
| 15:04.17 | Ftroop | any ideas how to play cd back with audigy mixer i just dont seem to be acle to do it am i overlooking something? |
| 15:04.17 | Laney | http://laney.ath.cx/phpsysinfo/ |
| 15:04.22 | SpamHog | cast: what's the issue? |
| 15:04.22 | cast | SpamHog: do you vote a hospital being able to take 320km'h winds? |
| 15:04.35 | totodughetto | i have a problem with warcraft 3 and wine, i can launch the game but my keyboard doesn't work, so i cannot create a game, do tou know a solution ? |
| 15:04.37 | Twobarrel | brb |
| 15:04.57 | asg | totodughetto: try #winehq |
| 15:05.00 | xk | Twobarrel: if it can't detect the harddrive, it could be it doesn't support the ide chipset... |
| 15:05.00 | Ftroop | does wine support warcraft3 |
| 15:05.01 | Laney | Why can't java packages be on the repos? |
| 15:05.08 | totodughetto | yes |
| 15:05.15 | asg | Laney: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:05.17 | xk | Twobarrel: so if the command I posted reveals nothing much... then the above conclusion is true. |
| 15:05.19 | totodughetto | because i can make it work |
| 15:05.23 | xk | Twobarrel: otherwise the problem is something else. |
| 15:05.31 | Laney | asg: I'm installing it now, was just wondering why they can't be on there |
| 15:05.34 | SpamHog | cast: it depends, in tornado alley I might think about it... |
| 15:05.42 | asg | Laney: the first part of the factoid points you to why |
| 15:05.45 | valdyn | SpamHog: read the complete announcement |
| 15:05.47 | Laney | Right,. |
| 15:06.14 | SpamHog | valdyn: I did, I must be thick... |
| 15:06.16 | valdyn | SpamHog: it sais explicitely: "Netinst CD images, and full CD images, and booting from USB or floppy to install using those CD images, will continue to work no matter what." |
| 15:06.34 | Zambba | Lovely, sarge install is in Finnish :P |
| 15:06.56 | Zambba | But some terms are very LOL translated |
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| 15:07.19 | SpamHog | No CD on this machine. No option. :-( My Q. was more like, did the team get D-I fixed quicl before? |
| 15:07.37 | Twobarrel | arg |
| 15:07.40 | Twobarrel | he left |
| 15:07.49 | valdyn | SpamHog: and no floppy and no usb? |
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| 15:08.18 | SpamHog | Nu USB either, I'd have to take parts off another running machine. :-(( |
| 15:08.20 | indes | Zambba, you may improve on it |
| 15:08.42 | SpamHog | I admit mineis a bit of an extreme predicament... |
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| 15:08.49 | valdyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:08.50 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 15:08.59 | valdyn | hehe |
| 15:09.09 | calin | o.0 |
| 15:09.15 | indes | insert your Debian GNU Punch card into the slot.. |
| 15:09.19 | indes | card one |
| 15:09.23 | Twobarrel | ok does anyone else have a solution (harddrive not detected) IBM-DPTA-372730 controller utra 66 |
| 15:09.26 | calin | of thirty two thousand |
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| 15:09.35 | indes | 32k? thats nothing |
| 15:09.39 | indes | for punchcards. |
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| 15:09.41 | calin | yeah? |
| 15:09.44 | OxFF | hey guys |
| 15:09.50 | valdyn | SpamHog: unplug your disk, plug it into a real computer, install, unplug again, plug it back, boot |
| 15:09.57 | OxFF | anyone who could me help installing debian? |
| 15:09.57 | Zambba | How much should I have swap when I've got 64 MB of RAM? |
| 15:09.57 | SpamHog | Next I'll try hypnotizing this box. |
| 15:09.58 | calin | Never seen a punch card in real life, so yeah... |
| 15:10.09 | indes | no? |
| 15:10.10 | indes | lol |
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| 15:10.14 | indes | you're a lucky SOB |
| 15:10.33 | calin | I've got a rube box also |
| 15:10.42 | indes | Zambba, swap rule usually twice the ram (in your case 128mb)' |
| 15:10.50 | indes | Rubix Cube? |
| 15:10.51 | indes | lol |
| 15:10.51 | SpamHog | Valdyn: ha! that might be it... will HW recce run again? I didn't know it could |
| 15:10.57 | indes | I dunno why THAT just popped into my head |
| 15:11.00 | Zambba | I put 200MB :) |
| 15:11.11 | indes | Zambba, whatever floats your boat. |
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| 15:11.34 | calin | it has a NIC, and a cd rom, but it wont boot from floppy or cdrom, and i've burned that netinstaller twice, i've tried the floppies many times, but they're not booting and i think it's because i'm not getting dd to work correctly. is there a way i can make a boot floppy to boot from the network? |
| 15:11.38 | dementrio | hello, is there any way to test if port forwarding works? |
| 15:11.41 | OxFF | hm, i have the following problem |
| 15:11.50 | OxFF | just downloaded a testing debian iso via bittorrent |
| 15:11.51 | Zambba | So which directory takes most of my hdd? |
| 15:11.51 | OxFF | cd #1 |
| 15:12.00 | valdyn | SpamHog: thats just a misunderstanding for a big part, there is no "hardware detection" in that sense, when you boot then your pci info gets read, with or w/o installer. Just for some special cases it may do, like a different network setup or similar |
| 15:12.00 | indes | What?! |
| 15:12.11 | OxFF | but when i boot the iso, the expert26 installer complains, the kernel modules found on the cdrom have a wrong version |
| 15:12.18 | OxFF | and therefore i can't install any nic |
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| 15:12.40 | dementrio | nervermind, I guess my question is too lame to be answered |
| 15:12.43 | calin | 0xFF then get another install cd? |
| 15:12.49 | SpamHog | valdyn: and I can rerun parts of base install anyway... that's a good solution |
| 15:12.51 | indes | dementrio, test it? |
| 15:12.51 | indes | lol |
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| 15:12.54 | OxFF | hm calin |
| 15:12.55 | j_k | calin: a netwrok-enabled grub is great when it works! |
| 15:13.01 | OxFF | if i download a stable iso |
| 15:13.03 | cast | dementrio: up could uh,try it :| |
| 15:13.11 | OxFF | can i simply 'upgrade' to unstable after installing? |
| 15:13.15 | Zambba | Okay I did 4.3 for /, 4.1 for /home and 0.2 for swap |
| 15:13.18 | indes | dementrio, lol not really I guess unless you write an app to keep TCP states and report back |
| 15:13.29 | indes | or just run an app that uses the port |
| 15:13.29 | calin | j_k: any thoughts on how to set this up? |
| 15:13.49 | calin | oxFF I think so |
| 15:13.50 | dementrio | cast: yes, my little brain already told me that should be the way. The problem is, it doesn't work, and I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong |
| 15:13.53 | OxFF | ok, thx |
| 15:13.56 | j_k | calin: you can grab a boot image from the web, or make ine yourself |
| 15:14.03 | j_k | calin: but this requires recompiling GRUB. |
| 15:14.05 | OxFF | dementrio: forwarding from wan? |
| 15:14.09 | OxFF | i could try to nc you |
| 15:14.14 | TwoBeers | I've got a problem with my mouse on X. X starts ok, but the pointer just sticks there in the middle... It doesn't respond. |
| 15:14.15 | calin | 0xFF: just change your apt-sources to the unstable |
| 15:14.20 | OxFF | ok, thx calin |
| 15:14.27 | calin | j_k: I have o problems with recompiling |
| 15:14.30 | OxFF | is downloading iso's over bt a bad idea? |
| 15:14.33 | calin | s/o/no/ |
| 15:14.44 | cast | dementrio: things like tcpdump come in handy, though, unless your using pf [which i really doubt] i cant help much :/ |
| 15:14.46 | indes | TwoBeers, wrong mouse device in the conf file prolly |
| 15:14.49 | calin | 0xFF Not unless they're broken ones. |
| 15:14.50 | dementrio | 0xFF: what would 'nc' mean? I'm a newbie to networking |
| 15:14.57 | OxFF | it is cat for network |
| 15:14.58 | valdyn | OxFF: why would it be? |
| 15:14.58 | OxFF | netcat |
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| 15:15.13 | OxFF | well valdyn, the downloaded iso does not work properly |
| 15:15.18 | TwoBeers | indes: I tries, like, all of them. /dev/mouse, /dev/input/mice. THe lot of it. Doesn't work. |
| 15:15.19 | OxFF | however i doubt it's bt's fault.. |
| 15:15.25 | indes | 0xFF did you checksum it? |
| 15:15.28 | OxFF | yes |
| 15:15.35 | OxFF | it's valid |
| 15:15.37 | indes | hm and its good checksum wise? |
| 15:15.40 | indes | odd. |
| 15:15.52 | indes | TwoBeers, what kinda mouse? ps2? |
| 15:15.56 | OxFF | the question is, whether the iso's on the ftp servers and the bt iso's differ |
| 15:16.10 | TwoBeers | Yeah. And I tried /dev/psaux as well. No dice. |
| 15:16.19 | OxFF | well gonna download another iso.. |
| 15:16.26 | OxFF | thank you guys! |
| 15:16.28 | valdyn | OxFF: cant you get away with a netinstall to avoid this hassle? |
| 15:16.29 | indes | TwoBeers, should be at /dev/psaux |
| 15:16.36 | OxFF | eh valdyn |
| 15:16.46 | OxFF | you mean a minimal iso? |
| 15:16.50 | TwoBeers | It's not. X starts, but the cursor doesn't move. |
| 15:16.50 | OxFF | or network booting? |
| 15:16.51 | indes | OxFF, have you considered a net inst? |
| 15:16.59 | OxFF | yes, i have |
| 15:17.08 | indes | TwoBeers, well, theres something afoot then check your xfree log |
| 15:17.12 | valdyn | OxFF: sarge-i386-netinst.iso ( ~110mb ) |
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| 15:17.17 | OxFF | the problem is, my nic (r8169) isn't supproted on most netinstall iso's |
| 15:17.18 | dementrio | Do I need to do something on the natted pc apart from forcing the wan ip on the client? for port forwarding to work |
| 15:17.31 | TwoBeers | Hmm... It's in /var/log? |
| 15:17.31 | indes | OxFF, I've seen that driver kickin :-p |
| 15:17.36 | OxFF | in that iso? |
| 15:17.39 | indes | TwoBeers, yes |
| 15:17.51 | indes | OxFF, I wish I could tell you SPECIFICALLY |
| 15:18.01 | indes | but I honestly don't recall which one it was exactly |
| 15:18.05 | OxFF | well, but it was a debian netinstall? |
| 15:18.05 | TwoBeers | OK, thanks. I'll boot back into the linux and have a look. |
| 15:18.06 | indes | I think it was an xfs install disc |
| 15:18.09 | indes | yes |
| 15:18.16 | OxFF | ok, thank you a lot. |
| 15:18.19 | indes | TwoBeers, BitchX is a console IRC command |
| 15:18.23 | indes | err application |
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| 15:18.31 | indes | OxFF, np. I think if you check out the kernel.. |
| 15:18.33 | indes | nevermind then |
| 15:18.39 | TwoBeers | Yeah, but I can't get my network to work properly in linux. |
| 15:18.51 | valdyn | OxFF: pick the one linked off www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and dont use a daily snapshot |
| 15:18.51 | indes | TwoBeers, Networking before GUI? |
| 15:18.58 | indes | valdyn, hella missed him |
| 15:19.02 | TwoBeers | Tell me how. |
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| 15:19.16 | indes | TwoBeers, vi, ifconfig, and ifup/down |
| 15:19.21 | indes | maybe insmod |
| 15:19.22 | valdyn | indes: he'll be back and complain , np |
| 15:19.30 | indes | valdyn, lol, alright |
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| 15:19.55 | colnet | #join linux.com.pl |
| 15:20.00 | colnet | ups |
| 15:20.02 | indes | TwoBeers, its ironic, I wouldn't know how to make my networking work from a GUI |
| 15:20.10 | indes | ups? parcel service? |
| 15:20.15 | TwoBeers | I hoped I would. |
| 15:20.32 | indes | TwoBeers, bloody unlikely. |
| 15:20.43 | TwoBeers | Hm. Yeah, I'll boot out. |
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| 15:22.50 | gobbles | whats the name of the program in gnome like the controll center in kde ? |
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| 15:23.08 | cvcc | hello room |
| 15:23.24 | indes | gobbles, gnome-controlpanel? |
| 15:23.24 | indes | lol |
| 15:23.25 | asg | !room |
| 15:23.25 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 15:23.40 | indes | gobbles, gnome-control-panel |
| 15:23.41 | indes | sorry |
| 15:23.46 | cast | gobbles: opening up a term and typing gnome and hitting tab is a good way to find things |
| 15:23.58 | indes | cast, unwise, csh will not return anything |
| 15:24.17 | indes | find / -name "*gnome*" | more |
| 15:24.30 | gobbles | for some reason all that does is give me a menue, i dont like the way the task bar is in 2 parts and i cant seem to find a way to change it |
| 15:24.48 | indes | taskbar? |
| 15:24.57 | indes | two parts? you want to play with the panel then |
| 15:25.00 | indes | right click em |
| 15:25.25 | gobbles | yes theres a top menue with applications on it, and annothewr at the bottom with the multi desktops on it |
| 15:25.35 | cvcc | in just installed debian 3.0 r2 i installed x-free86 and kde i also installed xchat when i tried to run x-chat i get this error Gtk-WARNING CANNOT OPEN DISPLAY also how do i start kde? for your prompt help thank you |
| 15:25.51 | gobbles | i dont have a right click, im on a mac with 1 button...cant change that either |
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| 15:26.01 | indes | gobbles, meta click |
| 15:26.04 | indes | gobbles, I think |
| 15:26.05 | indes | lol |
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| 15:26.14 | gobbles | whats meta click |
| 15:26.18 | indes | the meta key, |
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| 15:26.29 | indes | alt on windows the wierd ass round sqare thing there |
| 15:26.31 | indes | the apple key |
| 15:26.33 | indes | I dunno |
| 15:26.38 | indes | beside the space bar on the bottom row |
| 15:26.54 | gobbles | sorry, apple key does nothing |
| 15:26.56 | cast | indes: i really doubt hes using csh, bash is the default. with a question like that hes *bound* to be using bash. and surely that find will return far to many false entrys, apropos gnome|less is a better shot imho |
| 15:26.58 | indes | theres an apple/roudish square thing |
| 15:27.09 | calin | gobbles: apple key + click |
| 15:27.17 | indes | gobbles, you gotsta hold it |
| 15:27.20 | gobbles | nothing |
| 15:27.27 | indes | cast, Yes, probably is he using bash but you never really do know. ;-) |
| 15:27.30 | calin | macs are retarded >.< |
| 15:27.33 | indes | lol |
| 15:27.43 | indes | shift+click? |
| 15:27.46 | indes | that do anything? |
| 15:27.47 | cvcc | in just installed debian 3.0 r2 i installed x-free86 and kde i also installed xchat when i tried to run x-chat i get this error Gtk-WARNING CANNOT OPEN DISPLAY also how do i start kde? for your prompt help thank you |
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| 15:28.15 | gobbles | shift alt ctrl meta combined with click....nothing |
| 15:28.15 | indes | cvcc, edit ~/.xinitrc add the line exec kdeinit <- or whatever starts kde session |
| 15:28.20 | indes | LOL |
| 15:28.28 | indes | gobbles, there MUST be some combo that does something |
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| 15:28.41 | cast | fairy nuff |
| 15:28.46 | calin | gobbles: have you tried holding down the power button and clicking? |
| 15:28.50 | gobbles | im a pc person, but they present no challenge any longer som im doing mac now |
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| 15:28.58 | cvcc | what about the xchat? |
| 15:29.08 | gobbles | nothing |
| 15:29.18 | asg | cvcc: be patient, if someone knows they will answer |
| 15:29.25 | cvcc | ok thanks |
| 15:29.26 | indes | cvcc, I get a GTK warning from a terminal sometimes but it runs because I have the GTK libs, |
| 15:29.44 | indes | cvcc, so you may just be missing libraries or something wierd, I don't know exactly |
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| 15:29.56 | indes | cvcc, if it runs, don't worry about it |
| 15:30.02 | asg | cvcc: did you run that from in X or from console? |
| 15:30.11 | cvcc | it doesnt this is another machine |
| 15:30.13 | calin | do i need a previously properly formatted floppy to dd an img to it? |
| 15:30.24 | indes | cvcc, xchat requires XFree to be running |
| 15:30.27 | cvcc | asg, console |
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| 15:30.28 | indes | calin, no |
| 15:30.34 | asg | cvcc: then you need X running |
| 15:30.36 | jethro | indes: there is xchat-text |
| 15:30.36 | indes | cvcc, you need X |
| 15:30.43 | cvcc | how do i start x? |
| 15:30.48 | indes | jethro, that there is ;-) |
| 15:30.49 | calin | to run a console chat get something like bitchx or irssi |
| 15:30.51 | indes | cvcc, startx |
| 15:30.51 | asg | cvcc: either install kdm or 'echo startkde > ~/.xsession ; startx' |
| 15:30.56 | manchot | I am using sid and I have already installed gcc, but when I type ./configure to compile an application, I got this error: |
| 15:30.57 | indes | is it startkde? |
| 15:31.03 | indes | whats kdeinit? libs? |
| 15:31.08 | manchot | checking for C++ compiler default output... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
| 15:31.08 | asg | manchot: !b-e manchot |
| 15:31.20 | takatumi | asg: heh |
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| 15:31.24 | calin | !b-e manchot |
| 15:31.26 | indes | asg is on a roll today |
| 15:31.27 | dpkg | manchot: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:31.27 | manchot | asg: what's what? |
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| 15:31.37 | jethro | !b-e |
| 15:31.37 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 15:31.38 | asg | manchot: /msg dpkg sid faq also |
| 15:32.00 | asg | indes: not had enough coffee yet ;) |
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| 15:32.24 | calin | woah, chatzilla |
| 15:32.35 | takatumi | and winnt |
| 15:32.37 | cvcc | fatal server error starting x no screens found |
| 15:32.39 | calin | didn't think anyone used that |
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| 15:32.45 | asg | cvcc: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:32.49 | R | hello, I just got a wireless access point and a PCMCIA card. Everthing works, but I want to make it secure. I got a linux server I want to use with freeradius as a radius server (the AP supports WPA with radius server). I want to use my laptop as a client, configuring the AP should be a piece of cake... but I have little clew on where to start with the radius server and no clue on how to... |
| 15:32.50 | R | ...have the laptop connecting to the secured AP. Anyone knows a nice howto to start from? |
| 15:32.53 | cvcc | i did that |
| 15:33.03 | asg | cvcc: not properly apparently |
| 15:33.05 | cvcc | i have a rage 128 i chose ati |
| 15:33.11 | manchot | asg: thanks. but what does !b-e mean? |
| 15:33.17 | valdyn | !no screens found |
| 15:33.17 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 15:33.20 | asg | manchot: it instructs our bot to tell you things |
| 15:33.24 | asg | manchot: /msg dpkg b-e |
| 15:33.29 | PerfDave | !b-e manchot |
| 15:33.29 | dpkg | manchot: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 15:33.47 | SpamHog | ! debfoster |
| 15:33.47 | dpkg | debfoster is, like, a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up. |
| 15:33.50 | manchot | asg: how do I know what /msg you have in this channel? |
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| 15:34.19 | asg | manchot: sorry what? |
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| 15:34.28 | takatumi | manchot: that initial b-e was aimed at dpkg, not you. |
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| 15:34.52 | cvcc | /var/log/xfree86.0 no such file or dir |
| 15:35.05 | NewpZ | does anyone know if the voice over ip router thingers play nice with linux? |
| 15:35.11 | asg | cvcc: XFree86.0.log |
| 15:35.17 | calin | Gah, I keep getting "dd: writing to `/dev/fd0': Input/output error" for all of my floppies, so i know not all of them are bad floppies, what could be causing this? |
| 15:35.35 | asg | calin: did you slide the writable table over the hole? |
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| 15:35.43 | manchot | another problem occurs: configure: error: error, Please install OpenSSL first! |
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| 15:35.52 | asg | manchot: apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 15:35.57 | calin | asg: I'm a lil smarter than that, haha. It would have told me un-writeable system if it were not over the hole. |
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| 15:36.53 | manchot | asg: I am a bit frustrated here, it says it lacks openssl, and I have had it installed, but how do I know it needs libssl-dev? |
| 15:36.54 | cvcc | xfree86.0.log same thing no such file or dir |
| 15:36.56 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 15:37.15 | asg | manchot: because you are compiling from source. openssl does not include headers. That's why you need libssl-dev |
| 15:37.15 | manchot | why didn't the program tell me straight what it lacks? |
| 15:37.17 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.40 | valdyn | manchot: compiling generally needs headers ( -dev debian packages ). |
| 15:37.44 | asg | manchot: is this a debian src package or something you downloaded off the net? |
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| 15:37.58 | manchot | it is downloaded by myself. |
| 15:38.13 | asg | manchot: then it knows dick about debian's package dependencies and what packages provide what. |
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| 15:38.17 | manchot | I want to learn more about !b-e stuff. where to get more info? |
| 15:38.47 | valdyn | manchot: apt-cache show build-essential |
| 15:38.47 | asg | manchot: /msg dpkg help |
| 15:39.02 | valdyn | oh heh |
| 15:39.15 | calin | fggt floppy drive >.< you worked like, last week, what now? |
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| 15:39.59 | nOOb1 | yuo |
| 15:40.01 | nOOb1 | whats up |
| 15:40.18 | takatumi | doood? |
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| 15:40.26 | nOOb1 | hey |
| 15:40.34 | Zambba | Shit that my school's all computers doesn't have cd drives |
| 15:40.34 | manchot | valdyn: thanks, I have build-essential installed. |
| 15:40.45 | nOOb1 | i need some python help, could someone help me? |
| 15:40.52 | asg | nOOb1: yes, #python |
| 15:40.58 | [bman] | Zambba: usb? |
| 15:41.09 | Zambba | Fortunally they have usb |
| 15:41.10 | nOOb1 | i wana hack my school comp |
| 15:41.15 | nOOb1 | someone hack it for me |
| 15:41.19 | asg | nOOb1: then you are a moron, go away |
| 15:41.24 | calin | troll? |
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| 15:41.50 | nOOb1 | ......... |
| 15:41.52 | nOOb1 | o need some help |
| 15:41.55 | Zambba | nOOb1: put a bootable Linux cd to cd-drive and break the eject button ;) |
| 15:41.58 | nOOb1 | NOW |
| 15:42.00 | Zambba | that's little teasing |
| 15:42.01 | nOOb1 | bastards |
| 15:42.06 | Zambba | #python |
| 15:42.10 | nOOb1 | where |
| 15:42.10 | calin | #python |
| 15:42.14 | nOOb1 | i couldnt find it |
| 15:42.15 | rikva | N |
| 15:42.18 | Zambba | join #python |
| 15:42.20 | rikva | sorry |
| 15:42.21 | calin | /join #python |
| 15:42.22 | Zambba | type "/join #python" |
| 15:42.26 | nOOb1 | i was looking for it |
| 15:42.28 | nOOb1 | but didnt c it |
| 15:42.29 | Zambba | to that text row |
| 15:42.34 | asg | nOOb1: /j #shell |
| 15:42.43 | asg | nOOb1: they will tell you how to hack your school's computer |
| 15:42.45 | Zambba | shit write that command to text row |
| 15:42.55 | calin | m00b1: /p #python |
| 15:42.55 | manchot | seems n00b1 is really a newbie. |
| 15:42.59 | calin | n00b1: /p #python |
| 15:43.00 | manchot | nOOb1: where are you from? |
| 15:43.10 | calin | wait |
| 15:43.13 | calin | wtf am i doing |
| 15:43.14 | calin | haha |
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| 15:43.19 | calin | s/p/j/ |
| 15:43.32 | asg | calin: I thought that was short for /piss #python |
| 15:43.35 | calin | hhahaha |
| 15:43.50 | calin | hmm /server irc.python.net |
| 15:43.53 | calin | <_< |
| 15:43.54 | asg | calin: and there are only 3 people in there, wtf? #perl has at least 340 |
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| 15:44.18 | cast | theres 174 by my count |
| 15:44.21 | calin | asg: 3 people here? |
| 15:44.26 | calin | 795 by my count |
| 15:44.31 | asg | calin: no, on #python |
| 15:44.32 | nullvoid | wtf you all talking |
| 15:44.35 | calin | oh |
| 15:44.50 | calin | eh |
| 15:44.55 | idnar | what the heck? |
| 15:44.58 | calin | maybe people on freenode don't like python? |
| 15:45.09 | calin | You're in debian |
| 15:45.20 | asg | calin: ah, #python-cleese |
| 15:45.23 | hedonick | #python has been split, you get directed to one of two python channels |
| 15:45.27 | asg | calin: I forgoet they split #python |
| 15:45.41 | calin | why'd they split it? |
| 15:45.42 | cast | hedonick: curious, why did they do that? |
| 15:45.44 | Delph | split? |
| 15:45.56 | asg | calin: getting too big |
| 15:46.01 | calin | crazy |
| 15:46.04 | cast | ahh |
| 15:46.15 | cast | heh, fair enough I suppose |
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| 15:46.58 | calin | i'm still getting an i/o error on my floppy drive and I don't know why. |
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| 15:47.37 | nichos | is there a way to mount an iso? |
| 15:47.51 | mattboll_ | nichos: man mount |
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| 15:48.08 | difeta | anybody know of a program that will shut off the machine if it is not being used? |
| 15:48.14 | mattboll_ | mount myiso /where -o loop |
| 15:48.19 | asg | difeta: define 'being used' |
| 15:48.19 | calin | mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /psth/to/mount |
| 15:48.26 | nichos | thanks guys |
| 15:48.44 | difeta | asg, the user is providing mouse or keyboard inputs |
| 15:48.56 | calin | difeta: why owuld you do that? |
| 15:49.05 | nOOb1 | everyone on #python are mean to me |
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| 15:49.11 | difeta | calin, save energy, my electric bill is through the roof |
| 15:49.11 | nOOb1 | :/ |
| 15:49.18 | calin | hahaha |
| 15:49.21 | asg | nOOb1: because you are acting like a moron |
| 15:49.26 | asg | nOOb1: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 15:49.26 | calin | turn off everything but the omputer and your internet |
| 15:49.31 | [bman] | difeta: google.com: linux software suspend |
| 15:49.36 | calin | not like you need TV when you can download pr0n |
| 15:49.36 | caphuso | asg: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/reeality/strips/reeality198.jpg |
| 15:49.53 | netgod | difeta: write a shellscript that runs "who | wc -l" and checks the answer; if it is 0, run "poweroff" |
| 15:49.55 | asg | difeta: write a script to check the output of 'who'. When it returns no logged in users, have it run /sbin/halt |
| 15:49.59 | netgod | difeta: then put the script in cron |
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| 15:50.28 | PerfDave | My Linux box runs services, it stays on when nobody's logged in. |
| 15:50.47 | asg | caphuso: haha, is that *the* peterS? |
| 15:50.52 | difeta | netgod, asg ok |
| 15:50.53 | caphuso | asg: NFI |
| 15:51.07 | PerfDave | asg, netgod, difeta: You'd want to have something in there to check uptime as well, to stop it shutting down before boot is complete or a user has had a chance to log in. |
| 15:51.10 | doubleh1 | any one can help about wireless ? |
| 15:51.19 | sussudio | !irritate doubleh1 |
| 15:51.20 | dpkg | doubleh1: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 15:51.21 | netgod | PerfDave: good point |
| 15:51.33 | Twobarrel | i had a problem with my harddrive been detected (IBM-DPTA-372730) With Utlra 66 Controller (I Figured it out) i had to use bf24 boot method instead of the default boot method (just thought i would share that just in case someone else had the problem i had) |
| 15:51.41 | asg | PerfDave: yes, I was hoping he would point out that flaw |
| 15:51.53 | Twobarrel | oh and im installing Debian 3.0 r4 |
| 15:52.21 | doubleh1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.25 | sussudio | in soviet russia, harddisk detects you. |
| 15:52.26 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, is this a server? if not get d-i |
| 15:52.31 | cvcc | ok i chose vesa in the config x starts but it looses the connection |
| 15:52.35 | Twobarrel | d-i? |
| 15:52.42 | jetscreamer | !d-i Twobarrel |
| 15:52.42 | dpkg | Twobarrel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:52.48 | cvcc | xinit conection to xserver lost |
| 15:53.03 | jetscreamer | 'two' late now though i guess |
| 15:53.14 | Twobarrel | no |
| 15:53.20 | Twobarrel | havnt installed it yet |
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| 15:53.25 | sphinx | Anyone any experience with running Sarge on a toshiba T8000 tecra laptop? |
| 15:53.31 | cvcc | which company should i choose in the config? |
| 15:53.40 | Twobarrel | just got past the point where i set network |
| 15:53.46 | jetscreamer | if it's a desktop/workstation, you'll be happier.. BUT! get a daily, not rc2 |
| 15:54.09 | Twobarrel | im not sure i understand |
| 15:54.10 | jetscreamer | well you can always upgrade your woody |
| 15:54.16 | cvcc | ithought rage128 was ati i choose that one i didnt get anything then i chose vesa but i lost the connection after 5 seconds |
| 15:54.33 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 15:54.45 | jetscreamer | ^^ Twobarrel |
| 15:54.49 | doubleh1 | sussudio: you dont need to irritate me ... I already have 2 KP per day |
| 15:54.52 | Twobarrel | going there now |
| 15:55.28 | Twobarrel | ok just to make this clear to me what cd images should i download? |
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| 15:55.55 | Raysiel_ | hi there |
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| 15:56.04 | Raysiel_ | i have a little prob here with apt |
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| 15:56.38 | sphinx | Anyone any experience with running Sarge on a laptop - then? |
| 15:56.48 | Raysiel_ | it seems like a broken package |
| 15:57.09 | Raysiel_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp4-0_2.0.0-0.2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:57.10 | Raysiel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.39 | Twobarrel | ok you all if i wanted to install debian what cd images should i download? |
| 15:58.03 | Twobarrel | im alittle or shall i say alot confused |
| 15:58.09 | jetscreamer | a daily that's for your_arch... i386 possibly |
| 15:58.17 | jetscreamer | is it a pc, a mac... |
| 15:58.22 | azreal | !tell sphinx about polls |
| 15:58.22 | Twobarrel | pc |
| 15:58.23 | jetscreamer | 64bit pc.. |
| 15:58.26 | azreal | !tell sphinx about ask |
| 15:58.31 | froze_ | General Linux ?: Does anyone know how to determine what portion of the files system is physically located on a given sector? As reported by hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=26566307, sector=2152480 |
| 15:58.33 | Twobarrel | no |
| 15:58.34 | Twobarrel | 32 |
| 15:58.53 | jetscreamer | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 15:58.57 | Twobarrel | ok thanks |
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| 15:59.50 | luite | what can be the problem when I get DMA timeouts and lost interrupts on my IDE controller? |
| 16:00.04 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, after you burn the cd & boot it, hit F3 at the boot prompt |
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| 16:00.17 | sussudio | luite: bunnies? |
| 16:00.18 | Twobarrel | ok which image |
| 16:00.22 | Twobarrel | i only see 2 |
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| 16:00.38 | sphinx | how do I sort out my installation of arge on a laptop. I have no sound at the moment, and ALSA doesn't work |
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| 16:01.01 | Bu5H | luite: bad drive, bad ide controller |
| 16:01.05 | luite | suncomet: i've checkt my computer for bunnies but I couldn't find any :P |
| 16:01.13 | TwoBeers | Well, mouse responds now, though it behaves erratically and is uncontrollable. |
| 16:01.14 | Bu5H | ive had it happen several times |
| 16:01.16 | Twobarrel | im at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 16:01.26 | Zitter | hi, I would like to install sid on my PC cause woody doen't recognize promise raid controller. A useful doc to do this using netinstall? TIA |
| 16:01.34 | N-MAN | hello hello! |
| 16:01.34 | asg | Zitter: don't, use sarge instead |
| 16:01.36 | N-MAN | :) |
| 16:01.38 | Bu5H | Zitter: why not sarge? |
| 16:01.47 | luite | Bu5H: hm, any idea of how to find out whether it is the driver or the controller? |
| 16:01.48 | asg | Zitter: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:01.59 | Bu5H | luite: swap out the drive |
| 16:02.03 | jetscreamer | the netinst Twobarrel |
| 16:02.10 | luite | Bu5H: hm, I was afraid of that ;) |
| 16:02.12 | luite | ok |
| 16:02.13 | jetscreamer | zitter http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 16:02.15 | Bu5H | best bet would be to backup all data immedately |
| 16:02.27 | Twobarrel | ok netinst required me being connected to internet right? |
| 16:02.33 | Bu5H | because only a few hours after my errors started, i got hard lockups and lost my drive. |
| 16:02.34 | Zambba | yes. |
| 16:02.36 | luite | it's 'just' a backup drive, so I still have all the data on my primary drivers |
| 16:02.39 | Twobarrel | on the computer im installing on is not |
| 16:02.40 | jetscreamer | yeah.... you're not eh... |
| 16:02.41 | asg | Twobarrel: yes, hence the 'net' part |
| 16:02.47 | PerfDave | luite: Stick your drive in the freezer :) |
| 16:03.05 | Zitter | asg, attually it my doubt: sarge or sid? |
| 16:03.23 | asg | Zitter: sarge (/msg dpkg sid faq (for reasons why you don't want to run sid)) |
| 16:03.23 | Twobarrel | is there cd images of this |
| 16:03.27 | nOOb1 | hey, if fedora good? |
| 16:03.28 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, woody it is then, (very old) or you could d/l a full sarge cd if you wanted to d/l anohter 700 megs |
| 16:03.32 | asg | nOOb1: #fedora |
| 16:03.33 | Bu5H | nOOb1: no |
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| 16:03.44 | PerfDave | !full CD image |
| 16:03.45 | nOOb1 | i was right about to get it too |
| 16:03.46 | nOOb1 | lol |
| 16:03.48 | PerfDave | !full CD advocacy |
| 16:03.48 | dpkg | full cd advocacy is probably you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
| 16:03.53 | thingfish | nOOb1: no, it sucks |
| 16:04.02 | Twobarrel | i just downloaded the whole 7 cd images a few mins ago |
| 16:04.08 | nOOb1 | but im a nOOb at linux |
| 16:04.10 | Twobarrel | not sarge tho |
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| 16:04.20 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, usually you only need cd#1 :( |
| 16:04.21 | Zitter | (/msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:04.26 | Twobarrel | opps |
| 16:04.29 | takatumi | Twobarrel: wasted resources and bandwidth. |
| 16:04.31 | Zitter | :) |
| 16:04.37 | asg | nOOb1: then buy a book on Linux and read it to help you get started. |
| 16:04.39 | thingfish | nOOb1: there are better newbie distros than fedora, which is full of bugs and not meant for newbies. |
| 16:04.43 | Twobarrel | wont be the last time takatumi |
| 16:04.57 | nOOb1 | really |
| 16:04.59 | Twobarrel | im always doing things like that |
| 16:05.04 | Raysiel_ | can nebody help me? |
| 16:05.08 | thingfish | nOOb1: yes really. |
| 16:05.11 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, but not all packages ar econtained on cd#1, and if you don't have net on the box, it's not a waste.. cept it's woody |
| 16:05.13 | PerfDave | Why do people think that Debian is not a good distro for Linux necomers? |
| 16:05.24 | nOOb1 | i heard mandrake is alright |
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| 16:05.30 | thingfish | I know, especially with d-i. |
| 16:05.34 | rikva | PerfDave: it doesnt have a graphical installer ;) |
| 16:05.34 | Raysiel_ | i cannot install or uninstall software until i solve this problem |
| 16:05.37 | asg | Raysiel_: what did you do to get that error |
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| 16:06.00 | Twobarrel | ok one last favor jetscreamer the url to site where i can start the dl's |
| 16:06.00 | thingfish | nOOb1: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:06.05 | asg | Raysiel_: did you download some random deb off the net? |
| 16:06.17 | jetscreamer | Raysiel_, dpkg-i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp4-0_2.0.0-0.2_i386.deb |
| 16:06.28 | nOOb1 | i heard gentoo is nice but i also heard its hard to work with |
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| 16:06.42 | Raysiel_ | asg: anything i try to do with apt i get an error like The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:06.42 | Raysiel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.42 | Raysiel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.42 | Raysiel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.47 | thingfish | nOOb1: debian-installer is easy to use, and you can always come here if you have questions or run into trouble. |
| 16:06.53 | PerfDave | nOOb1: Gentoo is a pile, and really not recommended for newbies, or anybody with a brain. |
| 16:07.01 | azreal | PerfDave: probably something to do with the assumption that most people will not want to read anything first. |
| 16:07.02 | TheZanke | how do i see what process are running on what port and how do i kill them? |
| 16:07.04 | asg | jetscreamer: better to find out how what he did to get the error before indicating how he might brake his system more |
| 16:07.15 | nOOb1 | thanks a lot guys |
| 16:07.27 | nOOb1 | im gona get debian |
| 16:07.28 | PerfDave | azreal: I've never *had* to read anything to install Debian, I just read the Installation Manual for detail after I'd done it. |
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| 16:07.29 | squiddle | hello again :) my friend is having problems setting up his sshd he can connect locally via ssh but not via his remote IP (NAT), portforwarding is on, are there more things to do? |
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| 16:07.56 | Raysiel_ | asg: i never installed that package directly is a dependency of other packages |
| 16:07.57 | asg | squiddle: does his ISP allow inbound connections on port 22? |
| 16:08.07 | PerfDave | squiddle: Use tcpdump to check that the packets are reaching the SSH server. Check auth.log and your SSH server settings to see if the connection is being rejected. |
| 16:08.09 | asg | Raysiel_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:08.17 | CosmoDad | how can I convert a PDF into a PS without the fonts in the PS file looking crappy? a plain pdf2ps has that effect |
| 16:08.21 | nOOb1 | will debian give me any problems though like with my internet connection ect |
| 16:08.22 | nOOb1 | ? |
| 16:08.29 | PerfDave | nOOb1: Shouldn't do. |
| 16:08.33 | azreal | PerfDave: well, me either really, it just seems that people are frightened if there is any reading to do, and less bells and whistles. |
| 16:08.36 | asg | nOOb1: that depends on your hardware, but you should be fine |
| 16:08.36 | Raysiel_ | asg: sid |
| 16:08.43 | nOOb1 | im currently on knoppix and i love it |
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| 16:08.51 | squiddle | PerfDave: good idea with tcpdump |
| 16:09.01 | PerfDave | Raysiel_: If you're running Sid, you should know how to deal with dependency issues. |
| 16:09.03 | nOOb1 | the only bad part is my soundcard doesnt work |
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| 16:09.04 | asg | Raysiel_: 1) check the bts. 2) file bugs. 3) follow jetscreamer advice above if no solution is proposed in 1) |
| 16:09.12 | asg | s/er/er's/ |
| 16:09.21 | nOOb1 | i have soundblaster live but it doesnt reconize it i think |
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| 16:09.28 | Raysiel_ | asg: tnx |
| 16:09.32 | asg | Raysiel_: you're welcome |
| 16:09.35 | PerfDave | nOOb1: I have an SB Live, Debian detects it just fine. |
| 16:09.42 | takatumi | all that's required for d-i is to atleast read what's on the screen. |
| 16:09.42 | nOOb1 | sweet! |
| 16:10.08 | Ftroop | i have an sb audigy but i still cant play cd's lol |
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| 16:10.19 | ToweringRooter | hi |
| 16:10.21 | thingfish | yes, Debian detects my audigy fine, too, so it should detect your sblive. |
| 16:10.36 | nOOb1 | yea |
| 16:10.38 | Ftroop | thingfish can you play cds ok |
| 16:10.55 | thingfish | I've never been able to get audio from the cd player with this box, any distro, Ftroop. |
| 16:11.00 | nOOb1 | yea |
| 16:11.02 | nOOb1 | ? |
| 16:11.02 | websdale | Ftroop:do you have sound other than playing CD's |
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| 16:11.13 | thingfish | except by using xmms and enabling digital audio extraction. |
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| 16:11.16 | nOOb1 | ? |
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| 16:11.33 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge/ ... took me a while |
| 16:11.33 | Ftroop | yeah sound works fine with everything cept cds |
| 16:11.40 | Twobarrel | thanks |
| 16:11.43 | runedude | Hi guys I have a question.. Is there a sound configuration program (other than the control centere) where I can SU and setup sound? |
| 16:11.45 | Twobarrel | i was looking too |
| 16:11.51 | dvs | Ftroop: I bet you don't have an CD audio cable. |
| 16:11.52 | Twobarrel | no luck on my part tho |
| 16:11.53 | jetscreamer | thingfish, sarge finds my sblive fine also |
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| 16:12.00 | asg | runedude: /msg dpkg audio |
| 16:12.00 | nOOb1 | i dont use cd's |
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| 16:12.12 | runedude | k, thanks asg |
| 16:12.19 | runedude | oh wait, I don't use woody |
| 16:12.20 | thingfish | it doesn't bother me because I have ripped all my cds to hard drive anyway. |
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| 16:12.21 | runedude | I use sarge |
| 16:12.27 | Twobarrel | uhhhhh |
| 16:12.31 | websdale | Ftroop:dvs:thats what I was going to say :) |
| 16:12.32 | asg | runedude: it applies to sarge as well |
| 16:12.32 | Twobarrel | all 15 of them? |
| 16:12.36 | runedude | ok, Thanks. |
| 16:12.36 | runedude | :) |
| 16:12.42 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, usually just #1 |
| 16:12.46 | dhuv | hello all i just upgraded to 2.6.8 yesterday, everything is all good and well except that apm does not seem to be compiled in |
| 16:12.46 | Ftroop | yeah i have 2 dvd in place with cables ...works fine in windows but i can never get it to work on linux |
| 16:12.48 | Twobarrel | k |
| 16:12.49 | dvs | websdale: Too bad. I'm getting the credit! ;-)] |
| 16:12.51 | Twobarrel | thank god |
| 16:12.54 | dhuv | i read http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg04107.html |
| 16:13.01 | nOOb1 | i need help |
| 16:13.07 | dhuv | it says to modprobe apm but apm just isnt in the kernel |
| 16:13.10 | nOOb1 | i dont know how to play this game |
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| 16:13.15 | jetscreamer | Twobarrel, but like i said, not all packages are gonna be on cd#1...but #1 will get you going and you can get more if you want |
| 16:13.20 | nOOb1 | like get it to work |
| 16:13.30 | calin | dhuv: you may have to recompile your kernel |
| 16:13.33 | dvs | Ftroop: But do they have that really skinny cables attached to them as well? |
| 16:13.39 | jetscreamer | dhuv, use modconf, look around.. apt-get install modconf |
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| 16:14.02 | Ftroop | yeah they do ...do they need the old anolog type ones? |
| 16:14.08 | dhuv | calin: i would love to do it myself, but i dont know how to get pcmcia-cs to compile with the kernel, it always looks for a modversion.h or something |
| 16:14.21 | dvs | Ftroop: No. |
| 16:14.39 | dhuv | jetscreamer: do you know if its actually compiled in or no? |
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| 16:14.51 | jetscreamer | dhuv, what kernel |
| 16:14.59 | nOOb1 | ok, i downloaded the binary and source of the favorite game but it wants to open it with wine but its for linux only soo what do i do? |
| 16:15.00 | dhuv | 2.6.8 |
| 16:15.03 | dvs | Ftroop: The only other thing I can think of is that the CD mixer is still muted. |
| 16:15.06 | dhuv | i just got it yesterday |
| 16:15.07 | jetscreamer | sure it's in there |
| 16:15.29 | jetscreamer | mmmm..... well..... |
| 16:15.32 | thingfish | Ftroop: he's talking about the thin grey (usually) round cable that runs from your cd drive to your sound card. |
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| 16:15.39 | Resonant | how do I mount a camera compact flash disk for reading through an hp psc 2410xi printer? the printer drivers are already installed and functional |
| 16:15.52 | runedude | k, I did what it said, and I have my lspci information, and its a SoundBlaster, how do I configure it now? :| |
| 16:15.57 | runedude | I don't use pnp I don't think |
| 16:15.58 | thingfish | Ftroop: I have the cable, but I still don't get audio from gnome's default cd player. |
| 16:16.04 | jetscreamer | i know there is apm as a module, but iirc the sub-thingys aren't compiled.. i could be wrong, i always just use acpi and don't compile any apm in |
| 16:16.06 | Ftroop | yeah they both got the skinny ones in like i say it works in windoze fine (from back of dvd player to soundcard |
| 16:16.07 | websdale | Ftroop:anyway as thingfish said you could use xmms ( or a couple of ther players) & use digital audio extaction |
| 16:16.21 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 16:16.21 | dpkg | alsa-bork is, like, modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 16:16.29 | azreal | has anyone used the rfstool prog to access a reiserfs drive from windows, is it safe? |
| 16:16.30 | TheZanke | ./linuxjampded +exec server.cfg & |
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| 16:16.38 | thingfish | nOOb1: please don't PM |
| 16:16.47 | nOOb1 | sry |
| 16:16.52 | Ftroop | yeah have done thaT but not really what i want to do i just wanna pop a cd in and play it lol |
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| 16:17.02 | jetscreamer | Raysiel_, did you fix it? |
| 16:17.09 | nOOb1 | well, can someone help me get my game ruinning |
| 16:17.11 | dhuv | jetscreamer: when i do modprobe apm it gives me FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device. but the file is there |
| 16:17.25 | Ftroop | what setting on the mixer do i need i have played about with them but still get no sound |
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| 16:18.04 | sybariten | Is language support dependent on what i do during the very install, or can those things be changed in afterhand? I'm thinking about a swedish keymap here, and it really concerns a knoppix HD install, but those people say that Knoppix installed on a HD is principally a debian install, so i figured i'd ask here, which you will complain about. |
| 16:18.09 | TheZanke | okay, I am connecting to my nix box with PuTTY ssh client and I start a game server with "./linuxjampded +exec server.cfg &", how do i make it so when i close PuTTY it wont close the server? |
| 16:18.18 | websdale | Ftroop:If you have the extraction plugin installed you do " just pop a cd in" |
| 16:18.27 | runedude | it says permission denied when I try to change my sound settings, and err, if I try to run kcontrol as root, it just crashes or something |
| 16:18.29 | nOOb1 | can someone please hack me lol |
| 16:18.36 | thingfish | sybariten: debian is not knoppix, we don't know. |
| 16:18.38 | Twobarrel | well thanks you all for the help (cya later) |
| 16:18.40 | jetscreamer | dhuv, yeah ok, use acpi... there is an apm package to d/l also... if you have acpi modules inserted, i believe yo uget that error, it's aeither/or, not both... but i'm not up on it, take it with a grain of salt |
| 16:18.41 | dvs | Ftroop: There should be a CD slider. Make sure that the speaker icons at the top of them are unmuted. |
| 16:18.48 | Ftroop | ok is it in the sarge repostory? |
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| 16:19.26 | sybariten | thingfish: well how did i guess. .... ok, suppose i do a normal debian install from CD then? Would it be crucial what choices i made during install, or could i just change some startup script afterwards to have the right keymap each time i boot ? |
| 16:19.39 | Ftroop | one says audigy cd the other says cd with a green light on the top |
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| 16:20.09 | runedude | any ideas guys? |
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| 16:20.13 | nOOb1 | will someone eccept a PM? |
| 16:20.50 | websdale | Ftroop:I think its "xmms-cdread" |
| 16:21.01 | asg | runedude: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:21.07 | runedude | ok :\ |
| 16:21.20 | nOOb1 | XD |
| 16:21.27 | thingfish | sybariten: as for a debian install, use debian-installer. I would think you'd need to select the keymap you want during install, don't know if you can do that easily post-install. |
| 16:21.33 | Ftroop | ok websdale i will try that i think i have tried everything else ..cheers :) |
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| 16:21.38 | nOOb1 | i need help |
| 16:21.52 | asg | Ftroop: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:21.58 | asg | eep |
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| 16:22.03 | asg | sybariten: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:22.08 | jetscreamer | nOOb1, based on observation, i'd have to concur |
| 16:22.17 | runedude | noe, didnt work |
| 16:22.26 | runedude | it shows it for a sec,t h en hides the kcontrol |
| 16:22.35 | asg | runedude: you might ask #debian-kde then |
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| 16:22.41 | jetscreamer | nOOb1, what is the problem btw |
| 16:22.41 | runedude | I'm on gnome :| |
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| 16:22.55 | runedude | all I want to do is setup my dang sound, I doubt i need kcontrol for that do I? |
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| 16:22.59 | asg | runedude: but the problem is with a kde app so they might be able to help nontheless |
| 16:23.09 | jetscreamer | runedude, /server irc.gimp.org && /join #gnome |
| 16:23.12 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 16:23.23 | thingfish | nOOb1: this page is good for people new to the kind of chat that is done in #debian: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:23.35 | sybariten | asg: thanks"! |
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| 16:23.41 | asg | sybariten: you're welcome |
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| 16:23.44 | runedude | is there a command to like, lol, set up the sound.. |
| 16:23.53 | runedude | I have all the driver information from lspci -v |
| 16:23.58 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 16:23.58 | dpkg | somebody said alsa 2.6 was On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 16:24.09 | asg | runedude: did you install the correct driver based on the output of lspci -v? |
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| 16:24.21 | runedude | problem is, I dont know how to install sound :| |
| 16:24.29 | runedude | thats what I want to figure out |
| 16:24.29 | asg | runedude: what sound card do you have? |
| 16:24.34 | jetscreamer | in my experience, oss is better for my sblive than alsa |
| 16:24.43 | runedude | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
| 16:24.43 | runedude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.46 | runedude | ^^ |
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| 16:24.51 | takatumi | why is discover1 such as necessity for ALSA? |
| 16:25.14 | valdyn | takatumi: it is not at all, just saves you one addition to /etc/modules |
| 16:25.15 | asg | runedude: what does 'modprobe sb' do? |
| 16:25.34 | jetscreamer | having alsa-base tells discover & hotplug not to load oss modules, it auto-blacklists them or something |
| 16:25.34 | runedude | mind if i pm you what it does? |
| 16:25.38 | TwoBeers | I've got a problem with my mouse in X. |
| 16:25.46 | asg | runedude: just paste it if it's only a line or 2 |
| 16:25.50 | TwoBeers | X starts ok, but the mouse moves erratically. |
| 16:25.56 | nOOb1 | whos the mod here? |
| 16:25.59 | nOOb1 | ill sue |
| 16:26.02 | jetscreamer | so you could do it w/o it/them, but if you have it/them, have those vers |
| 16:26.05 | runedude | its 8 lines |
| 16:26.06 | runedude | :| |
| 16:26.11 | asg | runedude: paste it in #flood then |
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| 16:26.55 | runedude | done |
| 16:27.19 | asg | runedude: okay, then that isn't the right driver. |
| 16:27.26 | runedude | asg exactly :) |
| 16:27.37 | runedude | I want to setup the right one.. but It seems kcontrol as root will only do |
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| 16:27.48 | runedude | and I really dont want to play music and surf the web as root |
| 16:27.49 | nOOb1 | what server should i go to with my problem? |
| 16:28.03 | takatumi | valdyn: just asked, since that factoid is pretty strong on discover1. |
| 16:28.13 | asg | runedude: try |
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| 16:28.25 | asg | runedude: modprobe es1371 |
| 16:28.27 | runedude | ok |
| 16:28.39 | valdyn | !factinfo alsa 2.6 |
| 16:28.39 | dpkg | alsa 2.6 -- last modified at Mon Jan 24 16:28:59 2005 by Maulkin!~maulkin@cheddar.halon.org.uk; it has been requested 6 times, last by valdyn, 4m 40s ago. |
| 16:28.41 | asg | nOOb1: we don't know what your problem is |
| 16:28.42 | runedude | vader:/home/runedude# modprobe es1371 |
| 16:28.42 | runedude | vader:/home/runedude# |
| 16:28.43 | runedude | nothing :| |
| 16:28.48 | asg | runedude: good, that means it worked |
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| 16:29.05 | asg | runedude: now, install aumix, crank the levels and type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 16:29.07 | nOOb1 | asg, how can i get my linux game running |
| 16:29.15 | asg | runedude: if you hear a horrid noise, then you are golden |
| 16:29.15 | Ftroop | having a bit of a strange problem in /media my cd and dvd folders keep disappearing when i reboot and it is replace d by floppy and floppy0 ????help |
| 16:29.25 | nOOb1 | i got the binary and souce for it but now what' |
| 16:29.27 | asg | nOOb1: which game? have you installed debian yet? |
| 16:29.40 | nOOb1 | im on knoppix |
| 16:29.41 | runedude | vader:/home/runedude# install aumix |
| 16:29.41 | runedude | install: too few arguments |
| 16:29.42 | runedude | :P |
| 16:29.45 | asg | nOOb1: then ask #knoppix |
| 16:29.47 | jetscreamer | OMG THEY BORKED XFE!!! |
| 16:29.47 | asg | runedude: apt-get install aumix |
| 16:29.49 | doubleh1 | how do I mount a FireWire external harddrive under 2.4 ? (thus no udev ) ... I have loaded ohci1394 and sbp2 .... |
| 16:29.49 | nOOb1 | i cant get debian untill 2 weeks |
| 16:29.54 | jetscreamer | whatever will i do |
| 16:30.00 | asg | jetscreamer: use something else |
| 16:30.05 | runedude | k |
| 16:30.05 | asg | jetscreamer: or downgrade |
| 16:30.06 | nOOb1 | send me the link please |
| 16:30.09 | runedude | ok its installed |
| 16:30.11 | runedude | now what? |
| 16:30.12 | runedude | run it? |
| 16:30.14 | asg | nOOb1: /join #knoppix |
| 16:30.14 | jetscreamer | they all suck... mc is cool though |
| 16:30.17 | asg | runedude: yes |
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| 16:30.43 | websdale | Ftroop:earlier on you mentioned the same issue...It may be 'discover' a hardware detection/config program - do dpkg-reconfigure discover ( as root) if its installed |
| 16:30.44 | runedude | 'cat |
| 16:30.44 | runedude | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.46 | dvs | runedude: <asg> runedude: now, install aumix, crank the levels and type 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 16:30.49 | runedude | whoops |
| 16:30.50 | runedude | sorry |
| 16:31.07 | asg | !bootsplash is also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 16:31.07 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 16:31.13 | runedude | ok |
| 16:31.16 | runedude | that was loud |
| 16:31.25 | dvs | runedude: We broke it! ;-) |
| 16:31.27 | asg | runedude: then sound is working (sorry about the volume ;) |
| 16:31.33 | runedude | rofl |
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| 16:33.08 | rui | i am using samba on debian and I can see the shares in networkneighbourhood but can get in ....any suggestions |
| 16:33.14 | Ftroop | ok websdale just gonna reboot now i done that see what happends ;) |
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| 16:33.23 | dvs | runedude: Now add es1371 to /etc/modules |
| 16:33.26 | runedude | heh |
| 16:33.27 | asg | rui: have you asked #samba? |
| 16:33.35 | runedude | ok, also, xmms doesnt like the new plugin? |
| 16:33.41 | rui | thanks for the suggestion |
| 16:33.48 | rui | I didnt know there was one. |
| 16:33.50 | asg | runedude: just point it to use the OSS plugin and you should be fine |
| 16:33.58 | runedude | ok |
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| 16:34.22 | asg | dvs: you're more than welcome to help him configure it ;) |
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| 16:34.32 | dvs | asg: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo thank you |
| 16:34.35 | asg | hehe |
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| 16:35.17 | tarzeau | mmmmm swiss farmer mountain cheese is best! |
| 16:35.19 | runedude | asg, xmms doesnt like it, still :| |
| 16:35.20 | rui | thanks asg! |
| 16:35.21 | runedude | And I used The OSS |
| 16:35.33 | asg | runedude: what error is it giving you? |
| 16:35.41 | dvs | runedude: You're trying to listen to a CD right? |
| 16:36.00 | runedude | Please check that: your sound card is configured properly, right output plugin, no other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 16:36.00 | asg | tarzeau: yeah, tasty |
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| 16:36.05 | runedude | no, I'm listening to mp3s :) |
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| 16:36.20 | tarzeau | asg: with corny fresh breat! |
| 16:36.21 | asg | runedude: does fuser /dev/dsp (when run as root) indicate something using the device? |
| 16:36.22 | tarzeau | bread |
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| 16:36.28 | tarzeau | asg: you know that cheese? |
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| 16:36.32 | asg | tarzeau: I'm partial to the breast as well |
| 16:36.36 | runedude | nope |
| 16:36.39 | tarzeau | asg: it's called "Berner Alpkäse" |
| 16:36.44 | dvs | runedude: Are you part of the audio group? |
| 16:36.45 | asg | tarzeau: no, but I'm familiar with similar cheeses. |
| 16:36.48 | tarzeau | like alpine cheese |
| 16:36.50 | clown | apt-cache search html editor | wc -l |
| 16:36.50 | clown | 58 |
| 16:36.54 | clown | which one? |
| 16:36.57 | asg | clown: vi |
| 16:37.02 | runedude | not sure ... |
| 16:37.03 | FieldySnuts | agreed |
| 16:37.08 | dvs | runedude: do "groups" |
| 16:37.09 | runedude | I played sound on here before, I think |
| 16:37.09 | clown | not in the list |
| 16:37.15 | tarzeau | breast heh. you mean milk? |
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| 16:37.22 | runedude | runedude@vader:~$ groups |
| 16:37.22 | runedude | runedude |
| 16:37.26 | FieldySnuts | @feed runedude |
| 16:37.30 | asg | clown: that's because it's a real editor that allows you to put your HTML mad skillz to work without the introduction of cruft |
| 16:37.38 | tarzeau | that awakens super cow powers... |
| 16:37.39 | runedude | and If I do groups as root, it shows root |
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| 16:37.55 | asg | runedude: follow the group advice in /msg dpkg audio |
| 16:38.04 | dvs | runedude: Are you trying to play mp3s as a normal user? |
| 16:38.05 | clown | asg: it is just for a hack, nothing special. I need something with WYSIWYG and previewing... |
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| 16:38.14 | asg | clown: then use bluefish |
| 16:38.20 | runedude | dvs: yes |
| 16:38.21 | clown | asg: k, tnx. |
| 16:38.38 | dvs | runedude: Then do as asg says and type "/msg dpkg audio" |
| 16:38.49 | FieldySnuts | i tried bluefish, for the life of me I could not figure out it's interface |
| 16:38.54 | FieldySnuts | i'll stick with vi |
| 16:38.58 | tarzeau | we have snowflakes snowing here, large than 5 cm diameter |
| 16:38.59 | runedude | hm, k |
| 16:39.13 | asg | tarzeau: bah, it's sunny and warm here. I haven't had any snow this winter :( |
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| 16:39.29 | runedude | Adding user `runedude' to group `audio'... |
| 16:39.29 | runedude | Done. |
| 16:39.31 | tarzeau | asg: heh, send the sun and warmth over to here. you can have all the snow! |
| 16:39.37 | asg | tarzeau: :) |
| 16:39.40 | runedude | doesnt work with the sound either, rebooted XMMS too |
| 16:39.45 | asg | runedude: now logout and log in again |
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| 16:39.51 | runedude | mmkay |
| 16:39.52 | dvs | like it said |
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| 16:40.02 | |rufius| | runedude, restarted xmms, you don't reboot applications ;) |
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| 16:41.43 | runedude | works guys |
| 16:41.43 | Zambba | Is it true that Linux never has to reboot? :P |
| 16:41.48 | runedude | thank you very much |
| 16:41.51 | runedude | :) |
| 16:41.52 | FieldySnuts | @troll Zambba |
| 16:41.52 | caphuso | Zambba: no |
| 16:41.52 | tarzeau | Zambba: hehe |
| 16:42.01 | runedude | cya soon |
| 16:42.05 | Zambba | I'm not a troll |
| 16:42.07 | Zambba | :D |
| 16:42.09 | FieldySnuts | yes you are. |
| 16:42.17 | tarzeau | Zambba: gnu/linux .. if you can provide the hardware that never breaks and the powersupply? |
| 16:42.25 | Zambba | very cool dude |
| 16:42.35 | Zambba | But my apartment has very bad power supplying |
| 16:42.37 | takatumi | and the final version of the kernel. |
| 16:42.37 | tarzeau | Zambba: i mean gnu/hurd can do it too! almost |
| 16:42.41 | FieldySnuts | get a ups, you'll be ok |
| 16:42.47 | Zambba | I have to get an ups |
| 16:42.50 | tarzeau | Zambba: where do you live? and what kind of department is it? |
| 16:42.53 | rikva | I am in an Debian install (sarge), now in Aptitude, but I _don't_ want GNOME. Is there a way to just deselect all GNOME-stuff, instead of manually deselecting all the GNOME-stuff? |
| 16:43.03 | Zambba | This is a house on countryside Finland :P |
| 16:43.05 | dvs | !remove gnome |
| 16:43.06 | dpkg | hmm... remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 16:43.16 | tarzeau | Zambba: cool. got a photo? |
| 16:43.19 | Diddymus | hi all, can anyone help with a problem with the latest OpenSSL 0.9.7e? It seems piping data into the command line openssl for decoding has changed which is breaking some scripts :( |
| 16:43.29 | tarzeau | Zambba: well linux will go with the power, and come back with the power. then |
| 16:43.32 | Zambba | very new but there is something very strange on electric system |
| 16:43.34 | rikva | dvs: thanks, but that's not in aptitude |
| 16:43.46 | rikva | that would mean i have to install gnome and uninstall it later |
| 16:43.48 | tarzeau | Zambba: but don't worry, the super cow powers of debian will remain in the pity soul of your computer |
| 16:43.55 | takatumi | rikva: hit ":" on all the main trees and start fresh, if you already have many selections. |
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| 16:44.09 | calin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.23 | dvs | rikva: Oh? Gnome is not installed yet? Then I dunno. I don't use aptitude |
| 16:44.30 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 16:44.30 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:44.31 | tarzeau | i wonder what is "birchermüesli" called in english... |
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| 16:45.17 | nomad_cz | Hi ;) |
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| 16:45.53 | takatumi | that's a fucked away alright. :) |
| 16:46.12 | calin | sussudio: Hence the reason it's a question asshole, because I'm asking if anyone in here has done so. Is that not a reasonable question? Or would you rather people who needed help don't come in here? Are you that fucking asinine that you have to use fucking canned answers for ever god-damn question that fucking blows through here? |
| 16:46.14 | RichiH | TimeTwister: please turn that off |
| 16:46.19 | RichiH | !tell TimeTwister about away |
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| 16:46.22 | tarzeau | dpkg french |
| 16:46.22 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:46.27 | tarzeau | takatumi: true, and even french! |
| 16:46.36 | takatumi | tarzeau: :) |
| 16:47.02 | Zambba | Hmm.. wait I upload picture of this house :P |
| 16:47.06 | nomad_cz | Is a czech version avaliable as well ? ;) |
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| 16:47.20 | jethro | !moron TimeTwister |
| 16:47.21 | dpkg | TimeTwister: You are moron #17 |
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| 16:48.14 | Ftroop | oh woes now my soundsystem dosn t work after installing dicover and i still cant access my cds without adding a dir everytime i boot |
| 16:48.31 | sussudio | helix: could you remove calin please? |
| 16:48.39 | helix | maybe |
| 16:48.45 | dvs | d |
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| 16:48.48 | dvs | oops |
| 16:49.06 | helix | sussudio: what did you do to him? |
| 16:49.10 | dvs | Ftroop: ??? What directory do you have to add everytime? |
| 16:49.16 | helix | people don't usually curse you out for no reason |
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| 16:49.23 | sussudio | helix: nothing. scroll back if you want. |
| 16:49.31 | Ftroop | mkdir cdrom0 and cdrom1 |
| 16:49.36 | helix | EspeonEefi: why does MIT have such weird hostnames? |
| 16:50.00 | tarzeau | helix: we have harry potter names, and greek gods |
| 16:50.03 | dvs | Ftroop: In /dev? |
| 16:50.15 | Ftroop | when i boot it loads emu10k then switches it off and cant find it :((( |
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| 16:50.25 | runedude | Hi guys I have one more problem |
| 16:50.29 | RichiH | helix: mit people may choose their own third level domains |
| 16:50.32 | runedude | lol |
| 16:50.34 | runedude | nvm |
| 16:50.35 | dvs | runedude: tough! ;-) |
| 16:50.35 | runedude | i fixed it |
| 16:50.36 | runedude | bye |
| 16:50.37 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.39 | FieldySnuts | don't blame me :P |
| 16:50.45 | helix | I like them |
| 16:50.47 | runedude | its just a minor perl error :P |
| 16:50.52 | EspeonEefi | helix: Hostnames at MIT are mostly chosen by the owner of the IP address. |
| 16:51.04 | FieldySnuts | yeh it's funny, if you're bored sometime dig somethingbad.mit.edu half the time it exists |
| 16:51.05 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 16:51.10 | Ftroop | in /media |
| 16:51.12 | EspeonEefi | helix: We all can get static IPs with a custom hostname if we want. |
| 16:51.14 | FieldySnuts | oen of them being fuck-the-skull-of-jesus.mit.edu |
| 16:51.28 | helix | lucky MIT people |
| 16:51.33 | RichiH | helix: indeed |
| 16:51.35 | helix | that's what you get for doing well on your SATs |
| 16:51.52 | FieldySnuts | shit the school owns an entire /8 |
| 16:52.11 | sussudio | helix: looks like he's a troll... he's already gotten several warning from, amongst others, ElectricElf. |
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| 16:52.42 | runedude | ok i found the paster |
| 16:52.44 | dvs | runedude: No more questions! ;-) |
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| 16:52.49 | runedude | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9t3SrQ38.txt |
| 16:52.56 | runedude | :) |
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| 16:53.09 | runedude | I just am getting annoyed by that crap whenever I run a perl program :P |
| 16:53.12 | runedude | No biggie tho |
| 16:53.30 | calin | fusermount: fuse device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first I tried modprobling fuse, what else can i do? |
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| 16:53.34 | dvs | runedude: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 16:53.39 | runedude | k :) |
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| 16:53.44 | helix | wtf is LANGUAGE |
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| 16:54.50 | runedude | thanks !! :) |
| 16:54.53 | runedude | lol well cya |
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| 16:55.00 | dvs | runedude: you sure now? |
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| 16:59.51 | useruser | when i upgrade my kernel i find myself recompiling my wlan drivers every time (and often making mistakes). what's the Debian Way to do this? |
| 17:00.05 | dvs | useruser: module-assistant |
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| 17:01.04 | useruser | dvs: apt-cache show module-assistant says the external modules should be packaged for debian - i don't think mine are. will this still help me? |
| 17:01.16 | Zambba | tarzeau: http://www.kolumbus.fi/petri1koskinen/IM000990.jpg :) our house |
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| 17:01.25 | eaglex | hello. i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.. but: is there anyway to make mrtg graph negative values too? |
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| 17:01.32 | dvs | useruser: Module assistant will create a .deb package that you can install |
| 17:01.38 | useruser | dvs: ok, sounds good |
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| 17:02.08 | tarzeau | Zambba: hehe very cool! did you just go out now, to take the picture? |
| 17:02.14 | FieldySnuts | eaglex: you'd probably have much better results in an mrtg channel (I don't know where, #mrtg ?) or possibly an mrtg mailing list |
| 17:03.09 | Zambba | tarzeau: Yes I went out :P |
| 17:03.11 | eaglex | FieldySnuts: #mrtg is empty, heh |
| 17:03.49 | jetscreamer | you don't have to have an MTA setup to use reportbug, correct? |
| 17:03.53 | tarzeau | Zambba: that's where i live: www.soda.mine.nu/hochhaus/img_0034b.jpg |
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| 17:04.08 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: no you can just use telnet |
| 17:04.19 | cire | in which packet is "strings" included? |
| 17:04.21 | jharrison | looks like the SCO crap is over maybe? |
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| 17:04.42 | jetscreamer | tarzeau, i mean if i submit a bug, it's gonna get there, right? |
| 17:04.48 | Zambba | tarzeau: :) |
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| 17:04.55 | tarzeau | cire: binutils |
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| 17:05.01 | cire | thanks |
| 17:05.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: well you can check with a network sniffer on port 25. or wait for the ack from the bts |
| 17:05.23 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i'm never sure myself.. so i check it |
| 17:06.19 | jetscreamer | what i mean is, i heard you don't have to have your own mta, reportbug will function w/o one being set up for it |
| 17:06.34 | simonrvn | try out swaks too - neat little thing, does all the RCPT TO, FROM, shit for you |
| 17:06.46 | useruser | dvs: I ran m-a and it gave me a list of possible modules which are in debian. but my modules are *not* packaged in debian, so I think this can't help me after all |
| 17:06.50 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i don't know. but i know popularity-contest sucks for not working without mail setup right |
| 17:07.13 | simonrvn | pop-con *relies* on having an mta installed |
| 17:07.21 | tarzeau | simonrvn: which sucks! |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | nullmailer or such |
| 17:08.10 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no it sucks |
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| 17:08.26 | simonrvn | pop-con sucks? |
| 17:08.42 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no it sucks because it relies on having an mta installed |
| 17:08.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart USPS for not having a check mailed tuesday at it's destination yet |
| 17:08.54 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it would be nuts for whoever wrote it to not rely on it |
| 17:08.58 | jetscreamer | tarzeau, somebody here once said no you don't need one.. and i 'think' it was a smart person.. ;:) |
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| 17:09.03 | simonrvn | yeh, but... you could say that about cron ... |
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| 17:09.14 | FieldySnuts | Phated :) |
| 17:09.22 | Phated | FieldySnuts :) |
| 17:09.40 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: last time i checked pop-con it needed one. who was the person, and what was the receipt? |
| 17:12.10 | jetscreamer | heh no idea, mighta been somebody along the respect lines of peters or greycat or somebody... like i said, iirc it wasn't a n00b |
| 17:12.26 | jetscreamer | i'm waiting for the ack |
| 17:12.31 | jetscreamer | find out that way |
| 17:12.38 | dragonbyte | anyone here using xorg? does it have better support for cards than xfree? |
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| 17:13.22 | Blissex | dragonbyte: no. |
| 17:13.46 | jetscreamer | xorg will be around after sarge goes stable |
| 17:13.51 | dvs | dragonbyte: No one here uses it. |
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| 17:14.10 | dragonbyte | Blissex: found a newer howto for the IGP 320U crap laptop card that uses Xorg instead of XFree |
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| 17:15.26 | tarheelcoxn | unicode numbers |
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| 17:15.43 | srid | any phone recording software for linux? |
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| 17:16.43 | dragonbyte | so will debian drop xfree or will it be keeping both? |
| 17:17.06 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 17:17.14 | g4me0ver | hi... |
| 17:17.16 | tarheelcoxn | http://linuxathome.com/index.php?p=235 |
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| 17:17.29 | tarheelcoxn | srid: look at that link |
| 17:17.32 | g4me0ver | someone can tell me how to renew my ip adress |
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| 17:17.49 | mrwill | g4me0ver: dhclient eth#? |
| 17:17.52 | dragonbyte | grab your checkbook and head to the ip leasing office |
| 17:17.54 | srid | tarheelcoxn, OK |
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| 17:18.03 | dragonbyte | gotta get a new lease |
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| 17:18.32 | Ftroop | think i will have to scrap this install and start again its going from bad to worse :( |
| 17:18.39 | valdyn | dragonbyte: ifdown ethX && ifup ethX |
| 17:18.54 | BleSS | if you have a laptop, can you run 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Handlers' and tell me its output? |
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| 17:19.03 | srid | tarheelcoxn, I wish to record voice calls through my voice-modem |
| 17:19.06 | srid | not VOIP |
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| 17:19.29 | srid | i used to plug the phone cable (twisted pair?) to the modem |
| 17:19.30 | dragonbyte | valdyn: running dhclient should do it too i think |
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| 17:19.55 | Ftroop | should i have discover package running ? |
| 17:19.59 | tarheelcoxn | srid: dunno. I got that link from google. http://www.google.com/linux |
| 17:19.59 | jon1012 | Hi :) |
| 17:20.19 | jetscreamer | Ftroop, it's not a 'running' thing, it just rruns on boot or demand |
| 17:20.40 | valdyn | dragonbyte: sure, dhclient is just one level lower and wont work w/ for example pppoe |
| 17:20.48 | dvs | Ftroop: I wouldn't use it mysel.f |
| 17:20.51 | jon1012 | Excuse me, I'm a project maintainer and I would want to know how to get my software on the debian repositories ? |
| 17:21.07 | jetscreamer | you have to alt+f2 out of the installer and run ppoeconf manually |
| 17:21.09 | Ftroop | yeah but it finds emu10k at boot then wont load it yet it worked b4 can i remove it? |
| 17:21.16 | dragonbyte | valdyn: g4me0ver was asking, i was just making a bad joke about renewing a dhcp lease :) |
| 17:21.48 | valdyn | !nmg |
| 17:21.48 | dpkg | from memory, nmg is see dnm |
| 17:21.55 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 17:21.55 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 17:21.57 | g4me0ver | thanks |
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| 17:22.01 | jetscreamer | jon1012, the info is on debian.org |
| 17:22.11 | jon1012 | ok thx :) |
| 17:22.20 | jon1012 | (since I don't use debian myself I don't know :() |
| 17:22.35 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 17:22.37 | dragonbyte | how do I update an XFree install for DRI? |
| 17:22.57 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 maybe |
| 17:22.59 | valdyn | jon1012: you can make debs, uploading stuff and getting it into the debian repositories is quite a step beyond that |
| 17:23.03 | cahoot | srid: http://www.vocpsystem.com/index.php maybe |
| 17:23.08 | dragonbyte | I need to install the bleeding edge DRI stuff |
| 17:23.25 | FieldySnuts | have fun with cvs, then |
| 17:23.27 | dragonbyte | common and radeon, but after installing em XFree fails on libdri.a unresolved stuff |
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| 17:24.04 | jon1012 | wow it's complicated :-/ |
| 17:24.10 | valdyn | dragonbyte: why do you think you have to do this? |
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| 17:24.21 | jon1012 | appliworks will wait al ittle bit before getting into debian I think :-/ |
| 17:24.25 | srid | cahoot, looks interesting ... looking at it |
| 17:24.29 | dragonbyte | valdyn: do what? use the latest DRI? |
| 17:24.40 | valdyn | dragonbyte: yea |
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| 17:24.56 | dragonbyte | valdyn: because this card isnt supported with insane patching garbage |
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| 17:25.05 | dragonbyte | valdyn: er without insane patching rather |
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| 17:25.35 | rmg | hello |
| 17:25.44 | rmg | I cannot find where to shut this off: |
| 17:25.57 | rmg | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 17:25.57 | rmg | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 17:25.58 | rmg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.07 | valdyn | dragonbyte: freedesktop.org used to have binaries ready to use in debian , I have no idea if that source still makes sense |
| 17:26.14 | rmg | nothing in inet.config says anything |
| 17:26.15 | takatumi | dragonbyte: which card? |
| 17:26.22 | dragonbyte | takatumi: IGP 320U |
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| 17:26.41 | rmg | ? |
| 17:26.46 | rmg | can anyone help? |
| 17:26.48 | valdyn | this sounds like a scsi chipset |
| 17:26.54 | dragonbyte | er IGP 320M |
| 17:27.01 | rmg | what is this port 111 |
| 17:27.04 | rmg | is it X |
| 17:27.10 | takatumi | dragonbyte: I have an IGP340, xorg provides native DRI now. nothing else worked. |
| 17:27.14 | rmg | or is it somthing else i don't need |
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| 17:27.27 | dragonbyte | takatumi: I have a bunch of insane patches to get this one working, but my framerate sucks |
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| 17:28.06 | rmg | hello? |
| 17:28.10 | dragonbyte | takatumi: I found a howto thing that says to grab the freedesktop.org DRI stuff, and use x.org |
| 17:28.13 | rmg | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 17:28.18 | rmg | how do i turn that off? |
| 17:28.25 | jetscreamer | did you msg dpkg xorg? |
| 17:28.32 | dragonbyte | takatumi: right now I have an insane patched Xfree install slapped over the debian xfree install |
| 17:28.43 | rmg | ? |
| 17:28.56 | jetscreamer | rmg iirc that's the portmapper |
| 17:29.27 | rmg | what does it do |
| 17:29.35 | rmg | and how do i turn it off by default? |
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| 17:29.52 | rmg | since this is just a lappy |
| 17:29.59 | dragonbyte | takatumi: how did you go about switching to xorg? |
| 17:30.06 | BleSS | if you have a laptop, can you run 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name' and tell me its output? |
| 17:30.13 | takatumi | dragonbyte: I haven't fiddled with anything since installing xorg, it just works, haven't tried any hardcore games, but tuxracer etc. works |
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| 17:30.36 | valdyn | rmg: update-rc.d or remove the symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/ manually |
| 17:30.38 | rmg | cat: /proc/bus/input/devices: No such file or directory |
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| 17:30.53 | jetscreamer | rmg, i think you need the portmapper, but i don't know. and i don't know about that 111/tcp msg either... |
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| 17:31.05 | takatumi | dragonbyte: grabbed the debs from ubuntu, but it is not recommended to mix packages. :) |
| 17:31.10 | jetscreamer | rmg what does rpcinfo -p tell you |
| 17:31.12 | dragonbyte | takatumi: please help me...help me be free of the pain of a craptastic ATI card...help the little 3d penguin slide after fishes at a decent framerate :) |
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| 17:31.30 | rmg | r00t@debian:~$ rpcinfo -p |
| 17:31.30 | rmg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.30 | rmg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.30 | rmg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.43 | dragonbyte | takatumi: pft i have all the dozen Xfree debian packages on, and then a custom made Xfree.deb that overwrites a bunch of files across the dozen packages :) |
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| 17:31.50 | dragonbyte | takatumi: my Xinstall is a mess right now |
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| 17:31.52 | rmg | 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper and 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper |
| 17:31.53 | jetscreamer | rmg btw >4 lines==autokick |
| 17:32.00 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:32.14 | thenuke | :) |
| 17:32.32 | jetscreamer | rmg, i believe you need the portmapper. i do not know though. and that's all i know about it. :( hth. |
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| 17:32.34 | thenuke | rmg: consider using messages if someone asks you things like that ;) |
| 17:32.44 | jetscreamer | see also #flood |
| 17:32.50 | jetscreamer | and /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:33.01 | rmg | on my last laptop I disabled all services and it worked fine |
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| 17:33.27 | jetscreamer | only reason i know anything about it is because i tried to set up nfs |
| 17:33.32 | dragonbyte | takatumi: how did you remove the Xfree packages cleanly? |
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| 17:33.40 | gigabytes | hi |
| 17:33.40 | rmg | bash: cd: /etc/rcX.d/: No such file or directory |
| 17:33.44 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:33.44 | dpkg | hmm... remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 17:33.49 | gigabytes | is there a debian package for php 5 ?? |
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| 17:33.59 | dvs | gigabytes: no |
| 17:34.00 | jetscreamer | rmg, you might want to just man hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 17:34.05 | dragonbyte | valdyn: dont you need to take out all the dozen xlib files too? |
| 17:34.17 | gigabytes | dvs, will someone make it? |
| 17:34.24 | FieldySnuts | heh. dream on |
| 17:34.24 | que` | for permissions: world (any user on system), group (user group), owner (root)...is this correct? |
| 17:34.27 | dragonbyte | and how do you swap to xorg without stupid dependancy issues? |
| 17:34.28 | pyJosh | if i remove a package, how do i remove all the un-needed dependancy packages? |
| 17:34.31 | dvs | gigabytes: Not I |
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| 17:34.35 | takatumi | dragonbyte: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg00915.html read that whole thread before you start. |
| 17:34.38 | gigabytes | dvs, :) |
| 17:34.44 | ZEA | how do I make sudo always ask me the password? it just asked me once |
| 17:34.46 | calin | que`: owner,group,world |
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| 17:34.54 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, something like deborphan maybe |
| 17:35.00 | peter_ | exit |
| 17:35.13 | pyJosh | jetscreamer: i'll take a look at that |
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| 17:35.21 | que` | calin: Gotcha, but I was asking if those were accurate desrctions of those categories. |
| 17:35.43 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, there's also dselect :) |
| 17:35.50 | valdyn | dragonbyte: apt-cache rdepends xfree86-common |
| 17:36.01 | que` | World permissiosn (applies to any user on the system). Group permission (assigned to user groups). And Owner (root access)? |
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| 17:36.15 | simonrvn | no, user ownership |
| 17:36.18 | calin | que`: ah, world (anyone), group (the user group the file is designated for, if any), and owner(the person who created this file or who it was chown'd to) |
| 17:36.19 | jetscreamer | owner is just the owner, can be anybody... |
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| 17:36.33 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 17:36.33 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:36.37 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 17:36.37 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 17:36.55 | dvs | calin: every file/directory has a group |
| 17:37.08 | valdyn | dragonbyte: its not an issue whatsoever though since dpkg / apt-get will take care of conflicts or at least tell you |
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| 17:37.12 | Goshawk | hi |
| 17:37.24 | calin | dvs: When I say if any i mean if it's applied to a different group than that which is the owners |
| 17:37.27 | dragonbyte | takatumi: so the ubuntu packages keep apt-get from going berserk on dependencies? |
| 17:37.46 | que` | calin: gotcha, thank you. to chown someone the file are those the stick, user ID and group ID octals? |
| 17:38.03 | calin | no, that's chmod |
| 17:38.25 | que` | oh |
| 17:38.27 | calin | chown <:group or user> <files> |
| 17:38.37 | que` | so after you give it the permissions you chown? |
| 17:38.38 | calin | man chmod chown |
| 17:38.41 | calin | nah |
| 17:38.52 | calin | chown moves file owenrship to another person/group |
| 17:38.52 | que` | calin, gotcha i'll us man |
| 17:38.55 | calin | thank you |
| 17:38.56 | que` | oh, ok |
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| 17:39.24 | que` | but...in short, chmod creates it, and assigns it to creator, and then chown can transfer ownership? |
| 17:39.30 | que` | hehe, sorry |
| 17:39.49 | Goshawk | is there someone that have package a library here? |
| 17:40.02 | takatumi | dragonbyte: so far I haven't faced any problems, I haven't done pinning either, although that is recommended in that list, I just installed the required packages and took off the line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:40.22 | dragonbyte | takatumi: was just about to ask about that :) |
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| 17:40.33 | dragonbyte | takatumi: if you pinned em or just downloaded and replaced by hand :) |
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| 17:42.23 | BleSS | if you have a laptop, can you run 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name' and tell me its output? |
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| 17:43.34 | takatumi | dragonbyte: "xserver-xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu15" that's the version I have, the depends of the newer packages maybe tricky. if it's a pain just compile it, as mentioned here, http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x heard it works. |
| 17:43.43 | ch | I'm trying to install my ATI radeon 9700 pro graphic card, but I'm getting the following error when I do glxinfo: glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:43.48 | ch | any idea |
| 17:43.49 | ch | ? |
| 17:43.59 | dragonbyte | takatumi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg01041.html what about this? |
| 17:44.14 | dragonbyte | takatumi: i'm not really good with pinning, but isnt that pointing everything at ubuntu? |
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| 17:44.57 | [flype] | alguien tiene idea de donde paran los packetes de gnome 2.10 para debian osea si hay algo disponible???? |
| 17:45.03 | takatumi | dragonbyte: that looked the best option, but I haven't tried much pinning either. |
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| 17:46.31 | ircdevil | anyone knows a link to a quick reference guide to regex? |
| 17:46.43 | sussudio | ircdevil: google |
| 17:46.50 | drac | ch: fglrx drivers? or mesa, apt-get install xlibmesa-gl |
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| 17:46.58 | sussudio | !es |
| 17:46.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:47.39 | [flype] | thanks |
| 17:47.43 | [flype] | and sorry |
| 17:48.02 | dragonbyte | takatumi: how do you tell debian that you dont need the xfree stuff after installing xorg? |
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| 17:49.05 | takatumi | dragonbyte: just remove xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:49.12 | ZEA | dragonbyte: I don't think there is a clean way of doing that |
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| 17:49.24 | ircdevil | !google mysql regex quick reference |
| 17:49.32 | dpkg | Google says mysql regex quick reference is at http://docs.hp.com/en/4807/quickref.pdf or http://perlmonks.thepen.com/Tutorial.html or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/059600446X/ or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/059600446X/ref=nosim/forlagetadland00 or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/059600446X?v=glance |
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| 17:49.40 | ZEA | takatumi: don't X apps depend on that package somehow? |
| 17:49.47 | asg | ircdevil: you could have /msg'd the bot |
| 17:50.06 | ircdevil | asg: point is - google finds nothing useful :o/ |
| 17:50.24 | dragonbyte | takatumi: what about all of the lib* stuff? |
| 17:50.30 | takatumi | ZEA: after installing xserver-xorg, removing it didn't cause me any pain, but YMMV |
| 17:50.30 | bizkit | is there a tool (unfree doesn't matter) to create .rar archives? (not unrar, but rar ;) |
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| 17:50.57 | takatumi | dragonbyte: didn't have to fiddle with any of it. |
| 17:51.06 | drac | bizkit: rar? |
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| 17:51.12 | beth | RAWRRR |
| 17:51.15 | jetscreamer | bizkit, rar comes to mind |
| 17:51.27 | jetscreamer | apt-get install rar |
| 17:51.33 | stew | which is non-free |
| 17:51.40 | jetscreamer | stew, iirc no |
| 17:51.43 | takatumi | dragonbyte: atleast I don't remember, it's been more than a month since the installation and I haven't had *any* errors. |
| 17:51.49 | stew | !info rar |
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| 17:51.50 | jetscreamer | i could be worng there are like 3 different versions |
| 17:51.50 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
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| 17:52.03 | jetscreamer | !info rar woody |
| 17:52.04 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.80-2 (woody), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 17:52.07 | dragonbyte | takatumi: and your apt-get upgrade/update doesnt bitch? |
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| 17:52.36 | takatumi | dragonbyte: since your existing xserver-xfree86 has been royally patchfucked, I don't think you have anything to lose. :) |
| 17:52.37 | jetscreamer | rar > zip for splitting the file up |
| 17:52.38 | elirips | hello. are things like suspend to ram / suspend to disk part of the acpi-project? or where are these things maintained? |
| 17:52.39 | bizkit | what the heck.. didn't see it :o - thanks *g* |
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| 17:52.46 | takatumi | dragonbyte: no it runs without errors. |
| 17:53.05 | jetscreamer | elirips, there is a suspend option in acpi, menuconfig, all i know |
| 17:53.13 | sirio | elirips: swsusp.sf.net <- are you looking for this? |
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| 17:53.46 | takatumi | dragonbyte: I don't dist-upgrade that often though and I'm on sid, those debs might cause a lot of pain on sarge. |
| 17:54.06 | jetscreamer | just install ubuntu if you want ubuntu |
| 17:54.19 | jetscreamer | why mix and match |
| 17:54.49 | takatumi | who wants ubuntu, I don't have any other option but xorg to get DRI, and I want to run debian :P |
| 17:55.36 | elirips | sirio: thanks. i was rather wondering where to put things about suspend/hibernate in my text... i am just writting down how i managed to get everything to work on my t40p, and was wondering where that topics fit best. |
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| 17:55.59 | sirio | oh okay. |
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| 17:57.30 | xogon | hello |
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| 17:57.53 | xogon | what is the fastest way to be able to determine which versions of a particular package are in a particular branch of debian (not necessarilty the one that is running)? |
| 17:58.22 | takatumi | xogon: packages.debian.org |
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| 17:58.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: badgers? |
| 17:58.36 | ravenbird | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
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| 17:58.59 | xogon | second question: does anyone know of a good review of web hosting providers? |
| 17:59.25 | FieldySnuts | I use needhosting.net, haven't had any problems |
| 17:59.33 | FieldySnuts | only one i've tried, though |
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| 18:00.23 | netgod | xogon: how about nyip.net or terrabox.com? both are debian-based and friendly to whatever wacked program u want to run on your site |
| 18:00.41 | jetscreamer | i'm a webhost... my support sucks though. |
| 18:01.23 | Delph | there must be more than two webhosts in here... |
| 18:01.47 | FieldySnuts | probably. i'd imagine they don't feel like spamming here though |
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| 18:01.51 | Henning | Does Debian have a tool like Fedora/Redhats service to create an interface to the init system? |
| 18:01.57 | simonrvn | i offer hosting. no fancy add yourself to the system though. old fashioned way |
| 18:02.00 | pyJosh | jetscreamer: how would i get deborphan to give me a list of packages that aren't depended upon? |
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| 18:02.12 | Henning | I know I can do it quite fine manually, just curious if there is something like that. |
| 18:02.14 | jetscreamer | i'm just kinda accidentally a webhost... i set somebody up with a site, and make em pay my reseller fees, since the cost is less han what they would pay normally |
| 18:02.16 | netgod | yes, but how many are slavishly glued to their screen at 1 pm on saturday? |
| 18:02.21 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: no, and they'd get kicked off ;P |
| 18:02.24 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, no idea dude |
| 18:02.35 | dragonbyte | takatumi: i am on sid |
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| 18:02.56 | pyJosh | lol, ok |
| 18:02.57 | dragonbyte | takatumi: downloading all of the i386 debs from that dir |
| 18:02.57 | netgod | jetscreamer: heh someone should start a debian-isp channel |
| 18:03.00 | jetscreamer | dragonbyte, you shouldn't do sid, try lsd25 |
| 18:03.09 | dragonbyte | takatumi: gunna pray and do a dpkg -i * :) |
| 18:03.16 | pyJosh | anyone know how i can remove packages that aren't depended upon? |
| 18:03.29 | valdyn | Henning: gnome-system-tools |
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| 18:03.53 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, what i do, i use dselect, and if something depends on it, dselect usually tells me.. it's a verylong process though. |
| 18:04.00 | xogon | hmm how would i search the packages.org engine for anything with php and apache in its name? |
| 18:04.19 | takatumi | dragonbyte: you won't need all the .debs, install as little as possible. |
| 18:04.29 | Henning | valdyn: Nothing a bit less..uhm, flashy? (CLI-tool)? |
| 18:04.37 | pyJosh | jetscreamer: there has to be a better way |
| 18:04.45 | jetscreamer | why don't you just do the dpkg xorg thing |
| 18:04.52 | valdyn | Henning: oh i thought flashy is what you were after, cli = update-rc.d |
| 18:05.01 | dragonbyte | takatumi: well all of the libx junk is still xfree4.3.whatever so i was gunna make sure all of the xorg versions were installed instead |
| 18:05.05 | Henning | valdyn: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:05.20 | dragonbyte | jethro: dpkg xorg thing? |
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| 18:05.24 | Fish-Face | Hey, there. I'm using a source-build of xscreensaver (sos I could do some dev work on it) but now, whenever I use synaptic or apt it insists I uninstall control-center, as it depends on xscreensaver |
| 18:05.29 | Henning | valdyn: No I usually just rename the symlinks to start with a K instead of a S and such, but I thought there had to be something a bit more friendly :) |
| 18:05.33 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, i reinstalled a wek ago because i had d/l'd so many things i later didn't want.. seemed faster :) |
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| 18:05.57 | jetscreamer | Henning, you can also just chmod -x them |
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| 18:06.17 | jetscreamer | !tell dragonbyte about xorg |
| 18:06.18 | Fish-Face | It seems this is not very clever... Is there any way of stopping this behaviour? |
| 18:06.30 | pyJosh | jetscreamer: i'll find a way here |
| 18:06.40 | valdyn | Henning: and sysvconfig and sysv-rc-conf ( last one *may* be broken, check bts ) |
| 18:06.51 | Zambba | 71% downloaded of my Sarge |
| 18:06.52 | xogon | what is the apache php package name in woody? |
| 18:07.00 | jetscreamer | Fish-Face, apt-pinning |
| 18:07.10 | Henning | valdyn: "bts" would be? I'm sorry, not familuar with the term. |
| 18:07.12 | Fish-Face | jetscreamer, pardon? |
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| 18:07.22 | jetscreamer | Fish-Face, use apt-pinning |
| 18:07.42 | Fish-Face | OhSmiTt, OK |
| 18:07.47 | takatumi | dragonbyte: libxau6_6.8.1-1ubuntu15_i386.deb libxdmcp6_6.8.1-1ubuntu15_i386.deb these are the only 2 libs I have. |
| 18:07.50 | Fish-Face | I mean, Oh, OK |
| 18:07.51 | jetscreamer | !tell Fish-Face about apt-pinning |
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| 18:08.18 | Fish-Face | I'll do some research :) |
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| 18:08.37 | takatumi | dragonbyte: and these, xorg-driver-synaptics_0.13.6-0ubuntu4_i386.deb xserver-common_6.8.1-1ubuntu15_i386.deb xserver-xorg_6.8.1-1ubuntu15_i386.deb |
| 18:08.46 | jetscreamer | Fish-Face, the \n's mean line breaks btw in that dpkg msg |
| 18:08.52 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that the first time :) |
| 18:09.00 | Fish-Face | Tee hee |
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| 18:11.16 | dragonbyte | takatumi: do you have the xfree xlib stuff installed, or just not at all? |
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| 18:11.37 | RikClark | Hello everyone, my CPU just went into meltdown and now I can't do mkfs.ext2 -S /dev/hdb1 as last ditch recovery since /dev/hdb2 no longer exists. /dev/hdb still exists and fdisk /dev/hdb shows the ext2 partition. So how do I recreate /dev/hdb1? Thanks in advance. |
| 18:11.51 | b00 | hey, anyone uses lm-sensors + 2.6.* kernel ? |
| 18:12.10 | RikClark | sorry, dev/hdb1 no longer exists |
| 18:12.39 | RikClark | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! |
| 18:12.46 | dragonbyte | takatumi: dpkg -l | grep 4.3.0 returns a ton of stuff, would just have more of a warm fuzzy with the xorg replacements i think (shrug) |
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| 18:13.01 | b00 | RikClark: did you just wipe out that partition ? |
| 18:13.04 | RikClark | oops, just read my addendum as a reply |
| 18:13.05 | jim | RikClark: are you saying that "ls /dev/hdb1" returns "no such file or dir"? |
| 18:13.18 | RikClark | jim: correct |
| 18:13.30 | jim | got kernel source? |
| 18:13.41 | EmleyMoor | I have made a hash of my mysql server - I appear to have forgotten my admin user name (not the password, I know that) - any way I could work out what it is? |
| 18:13.45 | jim | there is a file in there called Documentattion/devices.txt |
| 18:14.06 | jim | err, spel et rite even |
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| 18:14.22 | jim | and man mknod |
| 18:14.42 | pyJosh | so, if i install kde, then uninstall it, the only way to remove the 80 packages that aren't used is with dselect? |
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| 18:15.08 | RikClark | b00: i was running vmware with my virtual machine on /dev/hdb1 at meltdown :/ |
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| 18:15.20 | jetscreamer | pyJosh, it's like easy to rip ful secitons out w/dselect.. just put the highlight on the section header and purge away |
| 18:15.26 | EmleyMoor | Hmm... think I may just have found it |
| 18:15.27 | jim | RikClark: but is it also true that the partition is deleted or otherwise missing from the disk? |
| 18:15.36 | takatumi | dragonbyte: I too have tonnes of stuff with 4.3.0 and all of them are from sid. |
| 18:15.39 | rayen | hi how could I upload something withe CLI 'ftp' ? |
| 18:15.48 | jetscreamer | put |
| 18:15.49 | pyJosh | sorry |
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| 18:15.51 | sfinks | I'm using KDE here - but it's got lots of stuff I don't need - how can I run through the apps in here and get rid of lots - and end up witha nice slim KDE ? :-) |
| 18:15.55 | jetscreamer | rayen, the command is put |
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| 18:16.08 | c4_ | lampa:/etc/X11# setpci -s 01:00.0 4.w |
| 18:16.10 | c4_ | setpci: Warning: No devices selected for `4.w'. |
| 18:16.12 | c4_ | ? |
| 18:16.16 | jetscreamer | sfinks, don't install metapackages :) |
| 18:16.21 | ZEA | in the docs dir (OPTIONS file) of sudo package (in sarge) it's stated that the configure option --with-secure-path was used so only standard dirs. can be used. but I tested this and was able to run an executable from my home dir. what gives? |
| 18:16.24 | RikClark | jim: just checking your advice now, the partition is missing, mount compains about bad superblock |
| 18:16.39 | sfinks | AH- ok - how do I uninstall metapackages? |
| 18:16.45 | takatumi | dragonbyte: shouldn't be too long before xorg hits experimental atleast. (no info just a hunch) |
| 18:16.47 | jetscreamer | sfinks, dselect is what i use to do what you want, there might be more user-friendly ways |
| 18:17.00 | c4_ | nvz: "good afternoon the worm your honour" |
| 18:17.01 | jim | RikClark: hmm... so -both- are true... |
| 18:17.11 | takatumi | dragonbyte: so don't fuck up more that you absofuckinglutely have to. :) |
| 18:17.17 | sfinks | LOL - i hope so ;-) |
| 18:17.19 | takatumi | s/that/what |
| 18:17.36 | jetscreamer | rayen, gftp-text might be more user friendly btw |
| 18:17.38 | b00 | RikClark: you mean, you have vmware the actual physical partition to boot os from ? or just had image there |
| 18:17.45 | b00 | gave |
| 18:17.48 | b00 | s/have/gave |
| 18:17.55 | RikClark | just had image there on ext2fs |
| 18:18.20 | jim | you could restore from the backup |
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| 18:18.36 | b00 | RikClark: is meltdown like, err, you mean, crashed ? |
| 18:18.38 | RikClark | i know it probably wasn't the best way, but my project required full speed usb data acquisition device with win only driver :( |
| 18:18.59 | RikClark | meltdown as in overheated |
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| 18:19.12 | elirips | i would like to know what graphic-adapter i have in my laptop, but i don't want to open it. is lspci very clear on that, if it says 'ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [Radeon Mobility 9000 M9] (rev 02)', i can be 100% sure i have a radeon mobility 9000? |
| 18:19.29 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm - looks like I have some other problem - anyone here good with horde or should I ask on their channel? I have an extension not found... |
| 18:19.45 | patrik_ | hello :) I'd need some assistance when it comes to getting a hp deskjet 5740 to work .. I followed the howto on hp's site tho .. and the driver and printer's even in cups and gets recognized but I can't print .. the job gets cleared immediately for no actual reason .. neither syslog nor dmesg helped |
| 18:19.53 | patrik_ | any suggestions what could cause this? |
| 18:19.55 | nvz | neron: had to shut down to hook up my burner. |
| 18:20.05 | rayen | jetscreamer, " put /var/log/XFree*.log " with gftp-text and 'ftp' doesn't work, it says 'Transfer Complete' but it really isn't upload to the server |
| 18:20.08 | b00 | RikClark: its weird, i had vmware like, raping my system with loads > 20.0, and , sometime i had to kill it while it was doing things, and it crashed also a couple of times, but, never so far messed up a partition |
| 18:20.13 | RikClark | not sure why, could be I installed usbsnoop and might have left it running |
| 18:20.28 | jetscreamer | rayen, no idea :/ |
| 18:20.50 | RikClark | Yeah, I was impresed by its fault tolerance. You using the beta (wkstn v 5)? |
| 18:20.52 | jetscreamer | i know the command is put.. |
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| 18:21.13 | jim | so this is for a job? just restore from the backup you must have made (since you're a pro :) |
| 18:21.15 | jetscreamer | hey rayen did you change to ascii? |
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| 18:21.41 | rayen | jetscreamer, what do you mean? |
| 18:21.44 | neron | no, i know what has happend |
| 18:21.55 | neron | so, do not answer |
| 18:21.58 | elirips | and how can i find out how much ram my graphic-card has without opening the computer? |
| 18:22.05 | BadMan | moring all... |
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| 18:22.09 | jetscreamer | rayen, i forget the command... but you change from ascii to binary, and vice-versa |
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| 18:22.28 | jetscreamer | depending on the file |
| 18:22.31 | chrisdertolle | hi can someone help me i cant get my orinoco card into monitor mode ?? |
| 18:22.41 | jetscreamer | i wanna say mode.. and b & i |
| 18:22.44 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
| 18:22.45 | BadMan | finally got around to installing k3b(requires cdrdao as well) and stsarted and it warn me of cdrecord does not run as root.. is this a problem? |
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| 18:22.49 | xophEr | Is there any other way of getting streaming media to work in firefox than to install mplayer+plugin ? |
| 18:23.03 | jetscreamer | BadMan, do the k3bsetup |
| 18:23.11 | jetscreamer | it's under the tools menu i think |
| 18:23.17 | jetscreamer | 2nd from right |
| 18:23.18 | rayen | jetscreamer, I was on type I, i switched to 'ascii' with the command 'ascii', - 200 Type set to A. |
| 18:23.19 | jetscreamer | on the bottom |
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| 18:23.22 | BadMan | ok, jsut wondering if it were going to be an issue... |
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| 18:23.27 | sproingie | anyone on amd64 having a problem with ia32-libs? |
| 18:23.31 | sproingie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.40 | jetscreamer | yeah ok that rayen .. guess you did |
| 18:23.40 | r00t_ | is there any way to secure grub? |
| 18:23.54 | jim | secure it from what? |
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| 18:24.12 | b00 | sproingie: #debian-amd64 :P |
| 18:24.21 | jim | if people have physical access to the machine, all bets are off |
| 18:24.25 | sproingie | b00: thanks |
| 18:24.29 | jetscreamer | rayen, some ftp servers want passive mode, and that's all i know about that |
| 18:24.47 | r00t_ | jim: you know how you can have lilo not allow someone to go into single user mode etc |
| 18:24.59 | dragonbyte | takatumi: hrm...well as long as I am just tinkering with .debs it isnt too hard to go back and fix it :) |
| 18:25.02 | r00t_ | and need a pass to boot anything but the default |
| 18:25.08 | chrisdertolle | hi can someone help me i cant get my orinoco wireless card into monitor mode ?? |
| 18:25.14 | BadMan | dang forgot what my"scsi" emulated burner dev is.... |
| 18:25.15 | jetscreamer | wow, having gftp set as default ftp client in alternatives gives you the gftp manpage |
| 18:25.18 | dragonbyte | takatumi: afterall the only way I have X working is with my custom Xfree.deb that overwrites pieces of all of the deb packages heh |
| 18:25.31 | BleSS | if you have a laptop, can you run 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name' and tell me its output?I need for a live-cd |
| 18:25.38 | jim | chrisdertolle: there might be a channel #wireless |
| 18:25.40 | rayen | jetscreamer, i need to transfer my xfree86 logfile from VMWare to my Fedora Core 3, but it doesn't work with floppy's and ftp, so what could I do now? (can BitchX transfer files?) |
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| 18:25.58 | jetscreamer | rayen, scp perhaps |
| 18:26.07 | jetscreamer | if you have ssh setup |
| 18:26.32 | nvz | rayen: enable host-only networking so you can access teh host filesystem |
| 18:26.44 | jetscreamer | then there's always telnet i 'guess' but i know nothing about telnet |
| 18:26.59 | jetscreamer | listen to nvz he knows more |
| 18:27.05 | nvz | vmware comes with all the nessicary tools |
| 18:27.08 | r00t_ | is there any way to secure grub |
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| 18:27.34 | jetscreamer | r00t_, did you man grub? |
| 18:27.40 | BadMan | ok my ide burner is hdd, with kernel 2.4.27 I had to "emulate" it as a scsi dev, what would be the logical /dev/sd....? |
| 18:27.40 | r00t_ | no |
| 18:27.54 | r00t_ | wait i did yesterday |
| 18:27.56 | jim | r00t_: you've gone from more specific to less specific... /msg dpkg sicco |
| 18:27.59 | r00t_ | it just says grub shell |
| 18:28.05 | jetscreamer | well google grub then |
| 18:28.10 | r00t_ | I did |
| 18:28.15 | r00t_ | nothing about securing it |
| 18:28.17 | nvz | BadMan: cdrecord --scanbus |
| 18:28.19 | jetscreamer | restrict=linux |
| 18:28.25 | nvz | BadMan: probable /dev/sr0 |
| 18:28.32 | BadMan | nvz: ahh thank you forgot that one |
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| 18:28.43 | r00t_ | r00t@debian:~$ grub |
| 18:28.43 | r00t_ | bash: grub: command not found |
| 18:29.00 | nvz | BadMan: you dont _have_ to emulate it, they work fine burning as ATAPI IDE |
| 18:29.03 | jim | r00t_: for one, you would run it as root |
| 18:29.07 | jetscreamer | try apt-file search grub |
| 18:29.09 | r00t_ | ah ok |
| 18:29.16 | jetscreamer | nvz, 2.4.27 i think |
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| 18:29.34 | jim | for another, if it's not there, then you haven't installed it, therefore you wouldn't have its man page installed |
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| 18:29.45 | r00t_ | did help |
| 18:29.48 | jim | but it could be in the system apps path |
| 18:29.56 | r00t_ | dosn't give any security commands |
| 18:30.49 | jetscreamer | r00t_, i take it your google-fu sucks? http://www.google.com/linux?q=secure+grub&restrict=linux |
| 18:31.27 | nvz | this k3b is trying to fuck me here. |
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| 18:31.46 | jetscreamer | k3b works well for me w/2.6 |
| 18:31.51 | jim | research-fu, comprehension-fu, maybe reading-fu tu? |
| 18:32.13 | takatumi | "tu" spelling-fu :P |
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| 18:32.18 | jetscreamer | but i did not know that atapi iis a subset of scsi(or he other way around) like sgml & html |
| 18:32.25 | nvz | I got a freakin blank square about 200x200 or so with a small 32x32 or sok3b logo flashing on all desktops. it didnt do this on the last ISO I just burned |
| 18:32.31 | jim | that would be an example of spelling-foo |
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| 18:32.50 | nvz | and if I try get rid of it, it pulls the whole k3b over to this workspace. |
| 18:33.06 | takatumi | nvz: cdrecord |
| 18:33.09 | nvz | little fucker. this is a non-k3b zone. |
| 18:33.23 | nvz | workspace one, is for screen only |
| 18:33.40 | takatumi | nvz: and if you want more eyecandy nero is available for linux as well, blah! |
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| 18:34.04 | jetscreamer | nero for linux? i bet you have to pay? |
| 18:34.43 | nvz | takatumi: its not suppose to do this. I just burnt 1 iso took 6minutes, and didnt do this, now the 2nd one is being a PIMA |
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| 18:34.45 | jetscreamer | they charge for xchat for windows i learned recently |
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| 18:35.13 | caphuso | jetscreamer: for the compiled binary |
| 18:35.24 | nvz | takatumi: its wasting my precious screen realestate on all workspaces, with a blank fucking window that is like 1/4 of my total resolution |
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| 18:36.49 | nvz | all I did was change the 1 in the ISO name to a 2 and hit burn again, and its giving me this fucking BS |
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| 18:37.52 | BadMan | well I got it burned stuck it in my winders laptop and the cd reads completefilename.ido.. I think I screwed that up... lol |
| 18:38.02 | BadMan | er ido/iso |
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| 18:38.53 | caphuso | a simple "cdrecord dev=blah completefilename.iso" would have worked just fine |
| 18:38.59 | nvz | I cant imagine why its slowing down my PC either, this is like an Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 512MB Ram |
| 18:39.09 | BadMan | should windows not have recognized it that way? should it have shown files on the burnt disc vs 1 file.....iso |
| 18:39.12 | caphuso | but thank god that we have those great frontends making it not only easier, but not work at all... |
| 18:39.32 | caphuso | BadMan: no, you fucked up. you need to burn the .iso as an image file |
| 18:39.37 | BadMan | caphuso: Im trying to get a GUI fronted to that so wife and kid can make their own music cds.. Im just testing with the knoppix live eval |
| 18:39.41 | nvz | hey it works, and it plays the trumpet sound when its done, so I dont have to watch it, to know when to change discs |
| 18:39.45 | BadMan | caphuso: okie thanks |
| 18:39.49 | nvz | its just being ignorant right now |
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| 18:40.00 | elirips | what was the name of the tool that can convert .rpm into .deb-files? |
| 18:40.02 | BadMan | yeah It made the trumpet sound hehe |
| 18:40.05 | caphuso | elirips: alien |
| 18:40.44 | gce | any idea how I fix - gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found when using debmirror. It just recently started doing this |
| 18:40.50 | dark_construct | anyone help me boot to command prompt, debina testing, tried changing inittab to 3 and also, added 3 to grub, but gdm still starts |
| 18:41.00 | elirips | caphuso: thx |
| 18:41.09 | caphuso | dark_construct: boot into single user mode |
| 18:41.14 | puppet | /G 96 |
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| 18:41.25 | dark_construct | i can't type init 3 either |
| 18:41.41 | dark_construct | init 1 instead of 3? |
| 18:41.42 | jetscreamer | dark_construct, make a backup of /etc/X11/default-display-manager and then empty it out |
| 18:41.53 | jetscreamer | and /etc/init.d/gdm stop also |
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| 18:42.20 | nvz | see the little fucker isnt doing it now for ISO 3 |
| 18:42.21 | jetscreamer | not make a backup, run that command i men |
| 18:42.27 | rayen | nvz, do you know where the 'shares' are located? |
| 18:42.38 | jetscreamer | back up the /etc/X11 one if you don't want it restarting on)_boot |
| 18:42.42 | nvz | rayen: what "shares" ? |
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| 18:42.52 | rayen | nvz, the shares of vmware |
| 18:43.04 | dark_construct | thank you, i was trying to install an nvidia driver, never had a prob having it ingore my inittab settings |
| 18:43.08 | nvz | out of context that means nothing to me. I didnt know vmware had "shares" |
| 18:43.10 | rayen | I enabled the Share-folder |
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| 18:43.23 | rayen | but I don't know where it is located |
| 18:43.34 | pyJosh | how would i change a grub.conf file if grub was installed on the mbr? |
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| 18:44.39 | nvz | and I got way too much going on, on my 14" monitor at 640x480 to be looking at vmware right now |
| 18:45.11 | dark_construct | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:45.24 | caphuso | pyJosh: with an editor |
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| 18:46.05 | pyJosh | caphuso: where is grub.conf then? it's not in /boot |
| 18:46.10 | takatumi | pyJosh: but why would you want to change grub.conf? |
| 18:46.27 | rikva | Bah, I want to use Debian but I don't like Xfree |
| 18:46.33 | pyJosh | takatumi: if i want to dual boot or something |
| 18:46.36 | takatumi | is pool.ntp.org down? can't sync |
| 18:46.45 | takatumi | pyJosh: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:47.04 | PerfDave | rikva: I'm sure xfree doesn't like you either. |
| 18:47.04 | takatumi | rikva: don't start. |
| 18:47.05 | pyJosh | takatumi: k, looking |
| 18:47.27 | caphuso | takatumi: pool.ntp.org is at least 8 different boxes, i seriously doubt that all of them are down |
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| 18:47.55 | takatumi | caphuso: air:/home/nach# ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 18:47.57 | takatumi | 12 Mar 21:52:40 ntpdate[19686]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 18:48.09 | pyJosh | takatumi: ok, so i just has a different name in debian, i see |
| 18:48.23 | caphuso | takatumi: # sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 18:48.24 | caphuso | 12 Mar 19:48:15 ntpdate[23757]: adjust time server 210.188.237.146 offset 0.078323 sec |
| 18:48.35 | sussudio | takatumi: ru.pool.ntp.org syncs you? |
| 18:48.37 | takatumi | pyJosh: no it doesn't it's always been /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:48.57 | pyJosh | grub names it grub.conf by default, doesn't it? |
| 18:49.05 | pyJosh | if you installed grub by hand i mean |
| 18:49.24 | takatumi | sussudio: no, air:/home/nach# ntpdate ru.pool.ntp.org |
| 18:49.25 | takatumi | 12 Mar 21:56:12 ntpdate[20081]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 18:49.47 | FieldySnuts | try just pool.ntp.org (at least this time) |
| 18:49.49 | pyJosh | takatumi: try us.pool.ntp.org, or another country |
| 18:49.50 | takatumi | probably messed up this side of the atlantic. |
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| 18:50.05 | elirips | i need to install a third-party package that wants to overwrite one file. is it correct, that if i make a copy of the file it wants to overwrite, and in case of troubles i just uninstall the package and copy the file back, everything should be in the normal state again? |
| 18:50.11 | caphuso | at least 5 of the pool.ntp.org servers are working |
| 18:50.59 | caphuso | takatumi: do you use a really weird dns server that doesn't handle round-robins properly? |
| 18:51.17 | takatumi | FieldySnuts, pyJosh : tried both of those. |
| 18:52.10 | FieldySnuts | are you having other dns problems? |
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| 18:52.49 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: actually, i'm having problems resolving anything in the ntp.org domain, try time.mit.edu |
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| 18:53.15 | takatumi | caphuso: nameserver 195.226.224.72 that's one of them, ntpdate used to work until yesterday, Mar 11 00:54:25 gpoppy ntpdate[21636]: adjust time server 193.0.234.71 offset -0.113825 sec |
| 18:53.44 | pyJosh | takatumi: try using the server that "netselect pool.ntp.org" outputs once |
| 18:53.46 | FieldySnuts | ntpdate probably works fine, ntp.org's dns certainly isn't right now (try what I said) |
| 18:53.55 | FieldySnuts | he can't, it's not going to resolve |
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| 18:55.11 | takatumi | my time is off by a few, that's another problem, time now, 19:01 UTC |
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| 18:55.46 | takatumi | hence my obsession with ntpdate. =_= |
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| 18:56.10 | saadiq | I'm looking to get a firewire 800 card for my box. anyone know where I can find a list of recommendations on cards? |
| 18:56.11 | pyJosh | takatumi: use "ntpdate -Q -b -u us.pool.ntp.org" to set it, then start ntpd |
| 18:57.04 | takatumi | pyJosh: unknown option -Q |
| 18:57.15 | pyJosh | takatumi: hmm, take out the -Q then |
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| 18:57.21 | takatumi | heh |
| 18:57.50 | takatumi | ii ntpdate 4.2.0a-11, that ain't too old is it? |
| 18:57.55 | pyJosh | takatumi: the version of ntp i use is probably a lot different than yours depending on what version of debian you're using |
| 18:58.00 | quantum | Ive just accidentally removed /etc/courier/ and whenever I 'apt-get install courier-pop courier-base' it doesnt re-create that directory. help please |
| 18:58.12 | takatumi | pyJosh: sid here. |
| 18:58.13 | jharrison | anyone know how to change the system wide mail environment from mbox to maildir |
| 18:58.22 | Kvant | all of the servers in pool.ntp.org work for me |
| 18:58.28 | pyJosh | yeah, that's the version i have |
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| 18:58.30 | jharrison | and also if mutt would react accordingly would be nice as well |
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| 18:59.10 | pyJosh | takatumi: i wonder why the -Q option isn't working |
| 18:59.11 | netgod | jharrison: install procmail, then create a /etc/procmailrc file with this line: "DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/" |
| 18:59.14 | takatumi | jharrison: I have done it, but ain't sure if that's the right way, so I'll reserve my comments. |
| 18:59.22 | jharrison | netgod: done that |
| 18:59.24 | nvz | well this fucker either does this ignorant shit on every other burn, or it doesnt like even numbered ISO files, cause its doing it again on ISO 4 :P |
| 18:59.33 | takatumi | pyJosh: -Q works for you with the same version? |
| 18:59.33 | jharrison | takatumi: dont reserve your comments |
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| 18:59.40 | netgod | jharrison: so your only remaining problem is mutt? |
| 18:59.42 | chrisdertolle | You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 18:59.43 | chrisdertolle | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
| 18:59.44 | quantum | Ive just accidentally removed /etc/courier/ and whenever I 'apt-get install courier-pop courier-base' it doesnt re-create that directory. help please |
| 18:59.59 | chrisdertolle | apt-get install ncurses-devel is not working |
| 19:00.08 | pyJosh | takatumi: yes, well this is the version i have ntpdate 4.2.0@1.1161-r |
| 19:00.09 | takatumi | chrisdertolle: ncurses5-dev |
| 19:00.13 | KaioRafael | hi all, i dont know what happen, but my syslog stop works. i restarted but nothing |
| 19:00.13 | jharrison | netgod: well so far I have edited /etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d/login, and /etc/profile to use maildir |
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| 19:00.25 | netgod | quantum: dpkg --purge courier-pop courier-base and then reinstall |
| 19:00.29 | jharrison | netgod: but mutt just does not co-operate |
| 19:00.37 | quantum | thanks netgod |
| 19:00.42 | takatumi | libncurses5-dev actually. |
| 19:00.43 | ch | n |
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| 19:00.49 | pyJosh | takatumi: -Q isn't even in the man pages, but it's the default setting in the gentoo install |
| 19:00.53 | netgod | quantum: debian assumes people delete config files for a reason; you have to completely wipe the package to reset that assumption |
| 19:00.54 | jharrison | netgod: oh and I did the procmail setting you spoke of |
| 19:01.12 | takatumi | pyJosh: probably compile options. |
| 19:01.24 | mrwill | jharrison: mutt needs to be configured separately |
| 19:01.28 | pyJosh | yeah, maybe |
| 19:01.34 | BleSS | somebody with thinkpad laptop can tell me the output of 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name' |
| 19:01.42 | KaioRafael | hi all, i dont know what happen, but my syslog stop works. i restarted but nothing |
| 19:02.02 | mrwill | KaioRafael: wow, and normally, I'd tell you to look in the logs for errors, but in this case... |
| 19:02.03 | chrisdertolle | takatumi : that does not work too |
| 19:02.06 | takatumi | jharrison: I haven't edited any of those files...hehe |
| 19:02.16 | takatumi | chrisdertolle: why not? |
| 19:02.26 | chrisdertolle | packet not found |
| 19:02.43 | takatumi | air:/home/nach# apt-cache search ncurses5-dev |
| 19:02.45 | takatumi | libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses |
| 19:03.08 | jharrison | mrwill: I have edited /etc/Muttrc but I cannot move read mail from Maildir/new to Maildir/cur |
| 19:03.26 | BadMan | using kmail if I want to get the "system" mail that is forwarded to a reg user account what I should I select on the recieving section...? |
| 19:03.28 | jharrison | mrwill: mutt tells me that either Maildir/cur is not a valid mailbox or that Mail/cur does not exist |
| 19:03.28 | KaioRafael | mrwill , thankz..:P but couldnt |
| 19:03.35 | mrwill | jharrison: did you create that maildir with 'maildirmake'? |
| 19:03.49 | jharrison | mrwill: no postfix created the Maildir |
| 19:04.03 | jharrison | mrwill: when I received my first message |
| 19:04.05 | mrwill | jharrison: are the permissions set correctly? |
| 19:04.31 | jharrison | drwx------ 5 jharrison jharrison 160 2005-03-12 13:31 Maildir |
| 19:04.35 | jharrison | looks good to me |
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| 19:04.51 | FieldySnuts | and how is the mail daemon going to drop things in there |
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| 19:04.55 | FieldySnuts | since it can't write |
| 19:05.02 | c4_ | do i want /dev/shm? |
| 19:05.13 | jharrison | FieldySnuts: it does not have a problem with it |
| 19:05.30 | FieldySnuts | c4_: not sure, do you? |
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| 19:05.35 | jharrison | FieldySnuts: as I receive and send mail |
| 19:05.44 | takatumi | jharrison: MAILDIR=$HOME/?? is .procmailrc? |
| 19:05.48 | takatumi | s/is/in |
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| 19:06.07 | jharrison | takatumi: no it is in /etc/procmailrc |
| 19:06.30 | mrwill | jharrison: I think those permissions are correctly, I have a corresponding configuration that works. |
| 19:06.44 | jharrison | I have mutt reading the mailbox |
| 19:07.05 | jharrison | the only problem is when I have read the mail and wish to put it in the cur directory from the new directory |
| 19:07.10 | lee | grah |
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| 19:07.27 | mrwill | jharrison: doesn't that happen automagically? |
| 19:07.27 | KaioRafael | thnkz any away |
| 19:07.35 | jharrison | mrwill: no it does not seem to |
| 19:07.39 | c4_ | FieldySnuts: what what? i don't know what is that mounted thing, and i don't know if i need it |
| 19:07.51 | FieldySnuts | c4_: huh? |
| 19:08.01 | c4_ | FieldySnuts: i've googled, but i didn't understand |
| 19:08.05 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate c4_ |
| 19:08.09 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 19:08.10 | jharrison | mrwill: Move read messages to /home/jharrison/Maildir/cur? ([no]/yes): |
| 19:08.12 | leikh | what is it that makes debian stand out? (why is it so much greater than other distros? and hrm, isnt't actually a bigger leap from win 98 to win 2000, than it is between debian and other distros?) |
| 19:08.22 | jharrison | mrwill: /home/jharrison/Maildir/cur is not a mailbox. |
| 19:08.28 | FieldySnuts | heh. don't bother using win to compare to anything in linux |
| 19:08.34 | jharrison | mrwill: the last part is what happens when I say y for yes |
| 19:08.42 | c4_ | FieldySnuts: sup? |
| 19:08.46 | PerfDave | leikh: The Quality assurance. |
| 19:08.50 | lee | I'm using macromedia's flash plugin with firefox, and the sound is stuttering and high pitched, but only in flash... anybody have any ideas why/how to fix it? =) |
| 19:09.03 | mrwill | jharrison: well, yeah, strictly speaking, that directory is not a mailbox, it is a subdirectory of a mailbox. |
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| 19:09.25 | leikh | PerfDave: so apt-get is the parole? |
| 19:09.36 | takatumi | !tell leikh -about why debian |
| 19:09.46 | PerfDave | leikh: No, the QA is not the package manager. |
| 19:10.03 | leikh | PerfDave: no, but the idea behind it. |
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| 19:10.13 | jharrison | I wonder why I have changed my $MAIL environment settings just to try to get mutt to work |
| 19:10.14 | PerfDave | leikh: No. |
| 19:10.20 | valdyn | leikh: sure its a bigger jump from win98 to win2k b/c its 2 completely different oses |
| 19:10.35 | jharrison | it does not seem necessary to do all that when mutt still requires direct edits on muttrc |
| 19:10.36 | takatumi | leikh: that is just one of the advantages, there are many more, use it to know it, or else sod off. |
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| 19:10.58 | leikh | takatumi: i've been using debian for 5 years. |
| 19:11.15 | mrwill | jharrison: hmmmm, yeah, I don't think I changed $MAIL to configure mutt, I'll have a look at my muttrc, maybe that will clarify things. |
| 19:11.24 | leikh | takatumi: it's just that i don't know much about other distros... |
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| 19:12.59 | takatumi | leikh: hmm, suse is easy to install, works out of the box, but your hands are tied. (for eg. I couldn't install gdesklets), gentoo is total freedom, compile away, but I didn't have any free time left to chill out on irc or surf etc. :) |
| 19:13.16 | redduck666 | no precompiled interference was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel interference for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site <-- this is what i get when i try to install nvidia drivers. any help appriciated |
| 19:13.53 | takatumi | leikh: and redhat sucks, windows is chaos and the rest are all based on debian. |
| 19:14.03 | mrwill | jharrison: ok, there seem to only be a few salient directives in my .muttrc, the first is 'set mbox_type = Maildir' |
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| 19:15.06 | calin | I wonder if you put duct tape in hot water if it will make some sort of... tea... |
| 19:15.10 | takatumi | this is the format I have in my .muttrc "set mbox_type=maildir" |
| 19:15.14 | mrwill | jharrison: then 'set spoolfile' and 'set directory', both with the maildir directory as the only parameter. |
| 19:15.27 | PerfDave | redduck666: How are you trying to install the nVidia drivers? |
| 19:15.38 | leikh | takatumi: mandrake too? |
| 19:15.56 | takatumi | leikh: mandy is andy pandy. |
| 19:16.08 | redduck666 | PerfDave, by "sh filename.run" i downloaded the graphic drivers from nvidia site |
| 19:16.16 | PerfDave | redduck666: Don't do that, it'll fuck your system. |
| 19:16.20 | PerfDave | redduck666: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 19:16.23 | mrwill | takatumi: hmm, makes me wonder if syntax is important here, I think it isn't quite as strict as shell scripts. |
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| 19:16.37 | takatumi | mrwill: probably. |
| 19:16.54 | leikh | takatumi: but all of the distros are tied up by the kernel and the drivers, so none of them are faster than the other? |
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| 19:17.04 | redduck666 | so i need to write "dpkg nvidia howto" in my terminal? |
| 19:17.18 | mrwill | redduck666: no, /msg dpkg nvidia howto in here |
| 19:17.25 | PerfDave | !tell redduck666 -about msgdpkg |
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| 19:17.55 | FieldySnuts | @fuck nvidia |
| 19:18.10 | PerfDave | @praise nvidia |
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| 19:18.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a gpu war |
| 19:18.19 | ravenbird | ATI's drivers suck, try nVidia instead |
| 19:18.21 | takatumi | leikh: well kernels are mostly the same except for patches, but boottimes and performance is also driven by the packages, the configuration etc. and debian's default configurations are all ace. |
| 19:18.21 | FieldySnuts | darn |
| 19:18.27 | PerfDave | :lose FieldySnuts |
| 19:18.34 | FieldySnuts | wrong chan :P |
| 19:18.39 | PerfDave | @lose FieldySnuts |
| 19:18.41 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: You Lose. |
| 19:18.48 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Too Many Bots ;) |
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| 19:19.00 | takatumi | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:19.00 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
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| 19:19.36 | leikh | takatumi: well, the grass is obviously quite green on this side, so there's probably no reason to even bother casting a glance at the other side... |
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| 19:19.54 | takatumi | leikh: honestly, no. |
| 19:20.05 | BadMan | hmmm. well I installed the webmin-exim monitor reloaded the webmin page aand attempted to use exim monitor via webmin and it froze my xsession... so I guess I will remove exim monitor... |
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| 19:20.24 | PerfDave | BadMan: Or just remove exim |
| 19:20.27 | PerfDave | BadMan: Or just remove webmin, rather |
| 19:20.45 | PerfDave | leikh: Most Linux distros are, in all honesty, "good enough" for most usages. Normally when I experiment another distro, I realise that it can't do anything that Debian can't, and it's not worth me learning a different skill set. |
| 19:21.01 | BadMan | yeah webmin is kinda sad |
| 19:21.10 | BadMan | but I keep giving it a chance hehe |
| 19:22.06 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 19:22.06 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 19:22.24 | PerfDave | leikh: Except Gentoo, which was just a pile of wank ;) |
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| 19:23.21 | leikh | PerfDave: i use debian and win xp on daily bases. is it just my hardware that sucks, or is it possible that windows in general are able to render multimedia in a better way than linux? (could be that the driver for my graphics card on my debian box is crappy...) |
| 19:23.41 | PerfDave | leikh: I don't know what hardware ou have, so I can't answer that. |
| 19:23.56 | PerfDave | leikh: I use nvidia's binary driver on Sarge, and I get better gaming performance than I did when I had the same card in Windows. |
| 19:24.21 | Zambba | Which X server driver should I use with ATI Mach64? |
| 19:24.29 | Zambba | "ati" or something else? |
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| 19:25.03 | BadMan | ati would be a logical selection 8-) |
| 19:25.12 | Zambba | I think so. 8) |
| 19:25.22 | leikh | PerfDave: it's a hercules card, so i'm probably stuck with a generic driver... nothing good can come out of that, i guess... |
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| 19:26.22 | leikh | PerfDave: is there a small debian distro that fits a 586 laptop with 24mb ram? |
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| 19:26.27 | BadMan | PerfDave: do you play Quake/QuakeIII on Debian? |
| 19:26.53 | PerfDave | BadMan: I play Enemy Territory, which uses the Quake 3 engine. |
| 19:26.57 | PerfDave | leikh: Woody? |
| 19:27.31 | BleSS | somebody with thinkpad laptop can tell me the output of 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name' |
| 19:27.38 | droopy | does anyone know how to setup euronode? |
| 19:27.45 | BadMan | guess.. I should start googling for Quake3 info on Debian... I am so in need of a fix with sniper rifle for Quake3 Fortress.... |
| 19:28.00 | zOap | HighPingedLPB, anyone know of a debian server install? Apache(with php, cgi,mysql) samba(windows,unix),proftp, a mailserver and so on? |
| 19:28.06 | PerfDave | BadMan: Lolz camper wh0re ;) |
| 19:28.08 | kaplanfx | is anyone familiar with the transcode package? |
| 19:28.14 | BadMan | hehe |
| 19:28.14 | leikh | PerfDave: yes, but what about x interface? |
| 19:28.20 | PerfDave | leikh: Woody has X. |
| 19:28.23 | droopy | zOap euronode |
| 19:28.28 | kaplanfx | I'm wondering why its a couple version behind in sid, it was typically updated before |
| 19:28.41 | leikh | PerfDave: sorry, i meant desktop suite? |
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| 19:29.15 | PerfDave | leikh: When I ran Woody on a P166 with 24Mb RAM (and 200Mb HDD), I used to run blackbox as a WM. |
| 19:29.25 | PerfDave | leikh: It was pretty fucking slow though :) |
| 19:29.28 | zOap | droopy, euronode, isnt that the one without a graphical? I think I've tried it,... I mean one with an ordinary debian setup... apt-get and so on... |
| 19:29.50 | PerfDave | zOap: Uhm, Debian has Apache, Samba etc. |
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| 19:30.17 | droopy | zOap installs woody..if I can get my internal net up its cool. |
| 19:30.17 | zOap | PerfDave, I know. But I would like one which all this is installed at install.. |
| 19:30.27 | PerfDave | zOap: So select the relevant options in the installer. |
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| 19:30.58 | pureone | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/ :( |
| 19:31.00 | leikh | PerfDave: and you ran swap? |
| 19:31.04 | PerfDave | leikh: Yeah |
| 19:31.08 | zOap | PerfDave, ok. I have installed debian base, with the servers, but it didn't install php.. I'm struggling with that one... |
| 19:31.10 | PerfDave | leikh: 32Mb IIRC |
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| 19:31.19 | PerfDave | zOap: apt-cache search php |
| 19:31.23 | Patrick_ | who wants to help me do something insane? |
| 19:31.49 | zOap | PerfDave, did that. And i installed it, but still it wont work(for some reason....) |
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| 19:32.01 | leikh | PerfDave: is damn small linux pretty much the same? |
| 19:32.12 | PerfDave | zOap: So why don't you try fixing the problem you have rather than installing an entirely different distro? |
| 19:32.17 | PerfDave | leikh: No idea, I've not used DSL. |
| 19:32.39 | Patrick` | my root device is a software raid-1 array made of 2 disks, A and B. A is up, and B is down. I want to reboot and have B up and A down. |
| 19:32.48 | Patrick` | without booting off a 3rd thing. |
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| 19:33.04 | Patrick` | it's so I can hot-convert from ext3 to reiserfs |
| 19:33.10 | PerfDave | *shudder* |
| 19:33.19 | PerfDave | Patrick`: You're right, that is insane ;) |
| 19:33.26 | Patrick` | yep :D |
| 19:33.34 | zOap | PerfDave, because It's always fun to try something new:) But I'm gonna take your advice and try to fix it.. I like debian, I have debian on all my computers, but I have limited resources on servers... |
| 19:33.45 | Patrick` | I can remember doing something vaguely similar when I hot-converted from normal to raid-1 |
| 19:33.57 | EvanCarroll | its more just stupid but what ever |
| 19:34.00 | Patrick` | but I think I'll need to tell lilo to look at the other disk, or the kernel, or something |
| 19:34.03 | PerfDave | zOap: I would offer to help, but I don't use PHP. |
| 19:34.10 | Patrick` | in fact, it's almost certainly a kernel option now that I think of it |
| 19:34.27 | droopy | ok I got two nic internal (static,dhcpd) and external (dynamic dhcp) my internal net won't even flash my nics help! |
| 19:34.32 | zOap | PerfDave, that's ok. I'll drop into #php and ask those guys:) thanx for the help anyway:) |
| 19:34.41 | jethro | Patrick`: pass root=/dev/foo to your kernel when booting, /dev/foo being the root partition you want to boot with |
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| 19:35.09 | Patrick` | jethro: but my root partition will be /dev/md0 in both cases |
| 19:35.19 | Irish | Hi, anyone got time for a ? about a webserver stats program? |
| 19:35.24 | Patrick` | I want to boot right into the new array in degraded mode |
| 19:35.34 | Patrick` | I don't see what booting off it normally would accomplish |
| 19:35.40 | jethro | Patrick`: can't tell then sorry |
| 19:35.44 | Patrick` | lilo is being run off a 3rd disk, btw |
| 19:35.46 | Patrick` | hmmmmm |
| 19:35.47 | Patrick` | actually |
| 19:35.55 | Patrick` | jethro: you might have something there |
| 19:36.18 | Patrick` | how does the kernel know what md0 is in the first place? |
| 19:36.30 | Patrick` | via /etc/raidtab ... but how does that info get to the kernel? |
| 19:36.41 | Patrick` | catch 22 |
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| 19:37.56 | EvanCarroll | why not just turn raid off, alltogether, boot off of /dev/hdA, fdisk /dev/hdB to reiser, dd if=hda of=hdb and be done with it raid 1, with 1 working drive isn't really raid 1 anyway |
| 19:38.21 | Patrick` | my end goal is to have raid-1 with reiser |
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| 19:38.36 | Patrick` | I could do it trivially if there was a 3rd root device |
| 19:38.37 | takatumi | Patrick`: initrd |
| 19:38.39 | Patrick` | but I'm mental |
| 19:38.43 | Patrick` | takatumi: I HATE initrd |
| 19:38.45 | jethro | !reiserfs |
| 19:38.45 | dpkg | [reiserfs] a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 19:38.46 | Patrick` | with a passion |
| 19:39.04 | takatumi | Patrick`: me too, but you look like you need it. |
| 19:39.12 | Patrick` | why? |
| 19:39.18 | Patrick` | all the needed stuff is compiled in |
| 19:39.22 | EvanCarroll | Patrick`: being nothing can resize an ext3 partition reliably while maintaining data, i don't think your method is worth an attempt |
| 19:39.26 | Patrick` | oh, that's silly |
| 19:39.26 | theshane | I'm confused with which Debian ISO image to install. I have an AMD Athlon XP processor |
| 19:39.35 | Patrick` | EvanCarroll: why is resizing involved? |
| 19:40.04 | takatumi | !amd64 |
| 19:40.04 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 19:40.08 | EvanCarroll | Patrick`: because you have a dead drive, and a working drive, and you want to convert your sole working drive ext3->resier |
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| 19:40.13 | Patrick` | EvanCarroll: uuh, no? |
| 19:40.17 | Patrick` | none of them are dead |
| 19:40.25 | EvanCarroll | so then why is drive b down? |
| 19:40.25 | Jappis | how do i disable the power management? i need the monitor for 24/7 |
| 19:40.29 | Patrick` | one of the drives is out of the array because I took it out and converted it to reiser3 |
| 19:40.32 | jim | theshane: you don't need any isos |
| 19:40.35 | Patrick` | and cloned my root filesystem onto it |
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| 19:41.12 | jethro | !ricerfs |
| 19:41.13 | dpkg | it has been said that ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 19:41.25 | Zambba | !reiserfs |
| 19:41.25 | dpkg | from memory, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 19:41.30 | Zambba | !reisefs |
| 19:41.33 | Patrick` | jethro, is this fud or real problems with reiser? |
| 19:41.35 | theshane | I don't need an ISO? |
| 19:41.38 | takatumi | that factoid is wacked, I've not had any trouble with reiserfs. |
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| 19:41.53 | Zambba | ! |
| 19:41.53 | jethro | Patrick`: as per my experience, it ain't fud, and ricerfs is cool until you loose everything on the drive |
| 19:41.55 | Patrick` | I'm switching over because ext3 doesn't support undeletion of files |
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| 19:42.01 | theshane | I'm trying to put Debian on a blank harddrive. How do I do this? |
| 19:42.03 | Patrick` | I don't give a shit about performance |
| 19:42.05 | Irish | running a webserver hosting about 150 sites, is there a good stats program that will enable me to track each sites traffic by hits and such? |
| 19:42.10 | jethro | Patrick`: but my experience with reiserfs was like 2 years ago |
| 19:42.11 | Zambba | I use /ext3 |
| 19:42.14 | Zambba | ext3 |
| 19:42.17 | takatumi | jethro: you actually lost data on reiserfs? |
| 19:42.22 | Patrick` | jethro: well there you go then |
| 19:42.22 | jethro | takatumi: I did |
| 19:42.28 | Patrick` | 2 years ago, gaim was a POS |
| 19:42.35 | Patrick` | and gtk looked like ass |
| 19:42.45 | jethro | but ext3 was already useable by this time :) |
| 19:42.45 | EvanCarroll | takatumi: yes it fails quite a bit. but it runs 15x faster on drives storing files under 15kb |
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| 19:42.54 | takatumi | jethro: my machine has overheated and shut down probably 20 times, yet to lose any data. |
| 19:43.19 | takatumi | and those shutdowns were abrupt 2 second shutdowns. |
| 19:43.23 | jethro | takatumi: I ve heard of data loss due to reiserfs more then happy stories with using it |
| 19:43.26 | Patrick` | woo! go takatumi! |
| 19:43.30 | Patrick` | we love you takatumi! |
| 19:43.30 | jethro | takatumi: you usually like it until it blows |
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| 19:43.37 | Patrick` | takatumi: sounds like you need more fans |
| 19:44.13 | Henning | Isn't problems with reiserfs mostly related to early versions which had issues? |
| 19:44.20 | takatumi | Patrick`: needed to get acpi going and the only way to get acpi going was to compile it in static and to compile the kernel I needed acpi :P |
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| 19:44.27 | Henning | It's supposed to be pretty neat know. I've not encountered any problems personally. |
| 19:44.31 | DrPete | I am trying to transfer 3 domains from a host, but they want to charege £49 + tax for each domain, is there anything I can do about that? |
| 19:44.31 | Patrick` | takatumi: ouch |
| 19:44.41 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 19:44.41 | Patrick` | DrPete: stab them |
| 19:44.45 | takatumi | Patrick`: laptop. |
| 19:44.48 | DrPete | Patrick`: Yeah, I feel like it |
| 19:44.54 | jethro | Henning: maybe, but still, it didn't make me feel like trying it again, considering all I can read about reiserfs which is pretty much what I experienced :p |
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| 19:45.08 | eye69 | droopy: What do they base that cost on? |
| 19:45.10 | bloodthirsty | DrPete I am trying to transfer 3 domains from a host, but they want to charege £49 + tax for each domain, is there anything I can do about that? <-- yes you can smile and show your ass |
| 19:45.11 | thomask | theshane: boot from floppy or cd |
| 19:45.13 | thomask | you can get images from the Debian website |
| 19:45.27 | DrPete | bloodthirsty: I hear you |
| 19:45.31 | FieldySnuts | i've used reiserfs for years at home and in production, never had one problem. i've had loads of problems with other fileystems, though, it's the only one I trust. and that's just me. |
| 19:45.42 | Irish | any takers? |
| 19:45.48 | FieldySnuts | taking of what? |
| 19:45.52 | Irish | running a webserver hosting about 150 sites, is there a good stats program that will enable me to track each sites traffic by hits and such? |
| 19:46.05 | DrPete | I wondered if internic, or nominet or whoever could do it cheaper direct, or is that a fortune |
| 19:46.07 | eye69 | Irish: I use awstats. |
| 19:46.08 | FieldySnuts | webalizer, awstats |
| 19:46.08 | Henning | In addition reiserfs does have some obvious advantage, like mounting huge volumes fast and decent filesystem check speeds. |
| 19:46.09 | Patrick` | ok, gonna try booting off the reiser partition without any raid goodness, then hot-rebuild from scratch |
| 19:46.14 | takatumi | webalizer or some such? |
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| 19:46.18 | jethro | Irish: awstats, it will also give you nice backdoor capabilities |
| 19:46.23 | bloodthirsty | Irish try webalizer |
| 19:46.25 | Henning | And possibilities for shrinking and online expanding. |
| 19:46.27 | Irish | will both of them break it down by the individual sites on the server? |
| 19:46.36 | jethro | Irish: just read their doc |
| 19:46.41 | theshane | thomask: Thanks, I know I have to download an image and burn it. I don't know which image to download though. I have an AMD Athlon XP processor. Is that i386? |
| 19:46.44 | Irish | tell me how many hits and how much bandwidth each site is using? |
| 19:47.15 | Patrick` | theshane: yes |
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| 19:47.21 | takatumi | I've shrunk my suse reiserfs partition three times to make space for debian, and everything still works in both places. |
| 19:47.23 | theshane | Okay, thanks |
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| 19:47.33 | Patrick` | ... you can shrink partitions??? |
| 19:47.35 | jethro | !stop the fs war |
| 19:47.38 | Patrick` | awesome - WITH CHEESE |
| 19:47.43 | FieldySnuts | you can, it's just not trusted by a lot of people (including me) |
| 19:47.46 | Irish | ok, I am off to read some, thanks for the suggestions all |
| 19:47.53 | Patrick` | meh, it's not like this is important |
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| 19:48.29 | Patrick` | well, I just totally and utterly fucked it up |
| 19:48.38 | DrPete | lol |
| 19:48.40 | DrPete | oh dear |
| 19:48.49 | takatumi | !comfort Patrick` |
| 19:48.50 | dpkg | There, there, Patrick`. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:49.16 | doobeh | Hi, I've just downloaded the OpenOffice beta, used alien on the RPM's, now do I just run dpkg -i *.deb in the directory? |
| 19:49.42 | Patrick` | it boots the drive read-only |
| 19:49.43 | takatumi | doobeh: desperate for OOooooo? |
| 19:49.46 | Patrick` | and fails |
| 19:49.48 | Patrick` | horrifically |
| 19:49.52 | EvanCarroll | doobeh: yes but it probably won't work |
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| 19:50.02 | azreal | doobeh: why do you need the beta so bad? |
| 19:50.04 | EvanCarroll | doobeh: and even if it does work, something later probably won't |
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| 19:50.10 | ch | how can I create /dev/psaux? |
| 19:50.11 | Patrick` | how can I append kernel options from the lilo prompt? |
| 19:50.15 | bloodthirsty | doobeh just download the oo binaries from openoffice.org |
| 19:50.20 | doobeh | I'm just interested in trying it |
| 19:50.39 | EvanCarroll | doobeh: alien is a gamble it is a great way to bork a system |
| 19:50.41 | takatumi | Patrick`: GRUB GRUB GRUB |
| 19:50.43 | bloodthirsty | try the 1.4 |
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| 19:51.01 | bloodthirsty | it runs like hells .. better than word |
| 19:51.11 | jethro | Patrick`: just type in the entry you want to boot, followed by kernel options |
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| 19:51.16 | Patrick` | whee, got it |
| 19:51.20 | Patrick` | thanks anyway |
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| 19:51.25 | jethro | like "boot: linux root=/dev/foo single" |
| 19:51.31 | jethro | boot: being the prompt |
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| 19:51.33 | Patrick` | now, you grubby wee bastard of a computer |
| 19:51.34 | azreal | doobeh: its nothing that is worth going through all that for, just use the stable debs of openoffice |
| 19:51.49 | Patrick` | azreal: the beta is, like, totally better |
| 19:51.55 | netgod | ch: mknod /dev/psaux c 10 1 |
| 19:51.59 | Patrick` | it *is* worth |
| 19:52.06 | takatumi | Patrick`: why so? |
| 19:52.18 | bloodthirsty | azreal : the last oo deb are out of date |
| 19:52.22 | melanye | hello , how change font used by gabber , xmms , and other ? txs |
| 19:52.23 | kiki4957 | hi everyone! i have a problem after installing debian sarge. i have only one console after installing debian via ftp. how to solve that? |
| 19:52.25 | azreal | Patrick`: i personally, can wait. |
| 19:52.31 | Patrick` | it looks better |
| 19:52.34 | Patrick` | as in, not ass. |
| 19:52.38 | jethro | kiki4957: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 19:52.41 | doobeh | :) |
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| 19:53.05 | azreal | Patrick`: oh well, fuck me! i better switch now, or be pummeled by the eye candy police! |
| 19:53.09 | Patrick` | Pffsh |
| 19:53.13 | Patrick` | I like my eye candy |
| 19:53.14 | takatumi | OO is so fucking huge, the only thing I'll probably use is Impress. |
| 19:53.24 | droopy | how do you get back to the network configuration from the installation |
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| 19:53.34 | BleSS | somebody with laptop can tell me the output of 'grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices'? I need it to finishing a tools for autoconfiguration in live systems |
| 19:54.02 | kiki4957 | jethro: well i have kdm installed. if i press ctrl+alt+F1 i have a console but i'm not able to change back to kde |
| 19:54.10 | bloodthirsty | OO can also .... also.... :) be configured as a document server |
| 19:54.16 | thomask | takatumi: I made great PDF sildes with LyX lately, without really knowing LaTeX. |
| 19:54.21 | bloodthirsty | with the uno API |
| 19:54.23 | jethro | kiki4957: tried ctrl-alt-f7? |
| 19:54.30 | thecava | hey. this is a quite generic question, but i just can't set up X. they used to work great when i had a crt monitor, but now i have a tft and reinstalled woody and it just doesn't work. i get 'fatal error: no screens found'. |
| 19:54.44 | bloodthirsty | oops |
| 19:54.54 | bloodthirsty | try XOrg -condigure |
| 19:54.59 | jethro | !tell thecava -about no screens found |
| 19:55.00 | takatumi | BleSS: "N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" N: Name="PC Speaker"" |
| 19:55.05 | bloodthirsty | try XOrg -configure :) |
| 19:55.05 | ch | netgod: I get xf860OpenSerial : cannot open device, no such device |
| 19:55.10 | kiki4957 | jethro: yes tried everything... ctrl alt f2 does not open another console alt f2 does not open it... |
| 19:55.23 | thecava | X -configure won't work .. XOrg is a diff command? |
| 19:55.29 | jethro | !xorg |
| 19:55.29 | dpkg | i guess xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 19:55.30 | ch | netgod : the device exist thought |
| 19:55.30 | takatumi | thomask: yes lyx is something I need to play with more, just started, looks neat so far. |
| 19:55.40 | jethro | thecava: xorg is not supported here |
| 19:55.49 | netgod | ch: is kernel module psaux loaded? |
| 19:55.51 | thomask | BleSS: |
| 19:55.51 | thomask | N: Name="Logitech USB Mouse" |
| 19:55.51 | thomask | N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" |
| 19:55.51 | thomask | N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
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| 19:55.52 | jethro | thecava: you're on your own if you installed xorg and fucked up |
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| 19:55.58 | redduck666 | if i write "adduser redduck666 video", will it add a user account in user group video? |
| 19:55.59 | thecava | man, i'm on standard X. |
| 19:56.14 | thecava | it's just somebody said 'run XOrg -configure' |
| 19:56.22 | thecava | you don't read what others say? |
| 19:56.31 | netgod | redduck666: it will add the user to that group, if the user already exists |
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| 19:56.44 | redduck666 | netgod, thanks |
| 19:56.50 | ch | netgod : no, there is psmouse module instead |
| 19:56.58 | jethro | thecava: I ignore of bunch of fuckers here so I might be missing some stupid answers |
| 19:57.02 | netgod | thats a fairly arcane legacy syntax for adduser |
| 19:57.05 | bloodthirsty | jethro : ok so try X -configure :) |
| 19:57.13 | takatumi | thecava: you actually installed xorg on woody? |
| 19:57.17 | thecava | jethro: hehe. k. here's the stuff: |
| 19:57.30 | EvanCarroll | !xorg |
| 19:57.30 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 19:57.31 | bloodthirsty | it will generate the XF....conf for you |
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| 19:57.34 | theshane | How should I go about downloading a Debian ISO image? |
| 19:57.36 | jethro | thecava: read what dpkg told you about "no screen found" |
| 19:57.41 | EvanCarroll | !get xorg |
| 19:57.41 | dpkg | well, get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
| 19:57.42 | takatumi | EvanCarroll: /msg the bots |
| 19:57.49 | jethro | EvanCarroll: plus /msg the bots |
| 19:57.54 | thecava | i get 'assigning device section with no busid to primary device' ... '(EE) no devices detected. |
| 19:57.56 | netgod | theshane: do u have linux running already? |
| 19:57.58 | EvanCarroll | ignored both jetro and takatumi |
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| 19:58.07 | takatumi | EvanCarroll: fuck off. |
| 19:58.13 | jethro | EvanCarroll: yeah just screw you fucker |
| 19:58.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart EvanCarroll (ignore me too) |
| 19:58.24 | PerfDave | Using "X -configure" will break your X config md5sum |
| 19:58.37 | PerfDave | thecava: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 19:58.39 | EvanCarroll | ignored FieldySnuts and ravenbird |
| 19:58.45 | FieldySnuts | dumbass |
| 19:58.45 | theshane | netgod: no, I'm trying to get there |
| 19:58.47 | jethro | !moron EvanCarroll |
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| 19:58.48 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: You are moron #17 |
| 19:58.54 | thecava | X -configure just gives me a black screen and i have to turn off and on the monitor to get console output again. |
| 19:58.59 | mrhemlock | all we are saying "IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE" !! |
| 19:59.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say ~lart EvanCarroll |
| 19:59.06 | takatumi | mrhemlock: heh. |
| 19:59.09 | ravenbird | ~lart EvanCarroll |
| 19:59.20 | PerfDave | theshane: jigdo or bittorrent? |
| 19:59.33 | thecava | jigdo is cool. i got a dvd image with it. |
| 19:59.35 | theshane | I'm using jigdo right now |
| 19:59.53 | azreal | all your oil files are belong to us |
| 19:59.54 | thecava | well, but will anyone help me with this issue? |
| 20:00.03 | netgod | theshane: its fastest to download the base floppies, install debian, and let it auto-download only the packages you need; if you had linux you could use jigdo-lite to get the whole image, but why, if youre not in the business of reselling images? |
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| 20:00.40 | droopy | I am trying to set up a router my external net works fine but my internal will not connect no lights network unreachable any ideas?? |
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| 20:01.06 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 20:01.06 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:01.12 | thecava | moo |
| 20:01.16 | thecava | i need help. |
| 20:01.32 | theshane | Okay, how do I download the base floppies? |
| 20:01.42 | takatumi | Vaslube, my name is buck I'm here for a fuck. (KB v-2) |
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| 20:01.51 | philips | I keep getting ProxyPass as an unknown directive. My config has the follwing lines, but it doesn't seem to work. ' AddModule mod_proxy.c' 'LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so' Anyone know whats up? |
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| 20:02.11 | thomask | thecava: type startx, then look into /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:02.19 | thecava | already checked. |
| 20:02.24 | thecava | i get 'assigning device section with no busid to primary device' ... '(EE) no devices detected. |
| 20:02.27 | droopy | how do you get back to the network configuration from the installation |
| 20:02.30 | thecava | then the fatal thing. |
| 20:02.48 | netgod | theshane: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/ |
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| 20:03.05 | jethro | hi simonrvn |
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| 20:03.29 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 20:03.45 | Zambba | Fuck..... my Debian install is *tilt* |
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| 20:03.59 | Zambba | it printed some 2 rows and I can't press any button |
| 20:04.12 | PerfDave | thecava: Do you have multiple graphics cards in your system? |
| 20:04.16 | theshane | netgod: I'm sorry, what exactly do I do? |
| 20:04.19 | thecava | i have a tft monitor. does that require a special config? |
| 20:04.19 | netgod | theshane: then images-1.44/idepci, at which point you're an amazing 8 levels deep into the ftp site |
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| 20:04.27 | theshane | Okay, thanks |
| 20:04.39 | takatumi | Zambba: you *are* a rarity. |
| 20:04.47 | thecava | PerfDave : i'm on a vga tft. |
| 20:04.54 | PerfDave | thecava: Do you have multiple graphics cards in your system? |
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| 20:05.09 | simonrvn | gobbles: you can ask someone else you know |
| 20:05.17 | thomask | thecava: no it doesn't, there are some optimizations for better font rendering, but nothing that's necessary. |
| 20:05.19 | simonrvn | gobbles: please don't /msg me without asking first |
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| 20:05.36 | theshane | netgod: Okay, I'm that far, what do I do next? |
| 20:06.21 | netgod | theshane: read doc/install.en.html |
| 20:06.24 | takatumi | theshane: go deep, deep underground. |
| 20:06.25 | thecava | PerfDave : nope. |
| 20:06.48 | thecava | thomask : nope. i have a pinnacle dc10 but it has nothing to do i think. |
| 20:06.49 | rhalff | ay,how do I get rid of applications starting multiple times on startup in gnome |
| 20:06.51 | PerfDave | thecava: Then you shouldn't *need* to specify a bus id, unless you're not on x86 architecture? |
| 20:07.01 | netgod | theshane: basically you'll download root.bin, rescue.bin, and the driver disks, write them to floppy with RAWRITE.EXE, then boot and install |
| 20:07.01 | PerfDave | thecava: Does that line about busid start with (EE)? |
| 20:07.22 | rhalff | everytime I restart I get an extra instance of whatever application. |
| 20:07.26 | thecava | PerfDave : i'm on x86, and it says 'assigning line blah with NO busID. |
| 20:07.31 | netgod | theshane: once a minimul linux is running you're set -- you have tcp/ip and it can handle the rest |
| 20:07.48 | Zambba | oh no Sarge has Gnome on default? :( |
| 20:07.58 | tarzeau | Zambba: nah |
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| 20:08.02 | netgod | you prefer KDE? :-) |
| 20:08.08 | tarzeau | Zambba: you mean tasksel's desktop option? |
| 20:08.15 | takatumi | Zambba: you don't need to install it, get any WMs out there. |
| 20:08.16 | tarzeau | netgod: i l ike GNUstep |
| 20:08.23 | Zambba | I prefer KDE yes |
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| 20:08.41 | netgod | whatever windowing system gets you off, its in there |
| 20:08.45 | Zambba | But I just got scared when gdm started instead of kdm :) |
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| 20:09.12 | PerfDave | thecava: Does that busid line start with (EE) or not? |
| 20:09.12 | netgod | yeah dpkg --purge gdm, it acts wierd compared to what im used to |
| 20:09.22 | thecava | PerfDave : no, it starts with (--). |
| 20:09.41 | PerfDave | thecava: In that case, it's not relevant to your problem. Look for the *first* line starting with (EE) |
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| 20:10.03 | thecava | PerfDave : (EE) no devices detected. |
| 20:10.15 | theshane | I was also going to ask, which GUI is better: KDE or GNOME |
| 20:10.33 | Overand | theshane: which car is better, toyota or honda? |
| 20:10.55 | thomask | theshane: that's a matter of taste. |
| 20:10.55 | jethro | nissan |
| 20:11.00 | Overand | or, what's better, apples or oranges? |
| 20:11.02 | Kraig | none :) |
| 20:11.03 | netgod | theshane: its possible to get by with neither -- i dont actually need a trashcan on my desktop |
| 20:11.18 | thomask | ha, this provokes a multitude of answers :-) |
| 20:11.19 | netgod | theshane: if youre into the GUI thing tho, i'd say that GNOME has more support in north america |
| 20:11.19 | thomask | as always |
| 20:11.33 | theshane | Okay, thanks |
| 20:11.35 | gnufan | netgod, surely you'll like GNOME, at least till 2.10 and a trashcan appears. |
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| 20:12.20 | netgod | too late -- i have nautilus 2.8.2 |
| 20:12.27 | netgod | which im very careful to not run |
| 20:12.28 | PerfDave | thecava: That's the *only* line that starts with EE? |
| 20:12.29 | martha | Can every DVD-player play video recorded on CDRs in some format? |
| 20:12.44 | thecava | PerfDave : yes sir. |
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| 20:12.58 | Zambba | onko tämä yhteyspoikki |
| 20:13.05 | thecava | martha: most will play (s)vcds. |
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| 20:13.49 | martha | thecava: those who won't, will they refuse to play DVDRs ? |
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| 20:13.51 | CH-T | OYE DEBIAN KE ONDA CUANTOS AŃOS TIENES |
| 20:13.54 | netgod | martha: in theory, yes -- CDR MPEG-1 is easier to decode than DVD MPEG-2, but in practice its a matter of how many features the manufacturer wanted to put in |
| 20:13.57 | PerfDave | thecava: How are you looking through the log file? |
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| 20:14.12 | thecava | martha: i don't think so. dvdrs are dvds. |
| 20:14.26 | shakparl | what kind of network/service/resource monitoring do you sysadmins use |
| 20:14.31 | thecava | PerfDave : the last part, where the (ee) line appears. |
| 20:14.37 | thecava | PerfDave : do you just want to pay a look at it? |
| 20:14.44 | PerfDave | thecava: What command are you using to look through the log file? |
| 20:14.48 | shakparl | i'm currently investigating whether to stick with Nagios/MRTG but there's a lot of politics and my product is better type of thing going on |
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| 20:14.53 | stonie | hi |
| 20:15.02 | stonie | starting xtraceroute will only show up a white globe.. on another system with nearly the same setup it works just fine |
| 20:15.11 | netgod | martha: theres two issues involved, whether the laser can physically read the -R media (these days they usually can) and whether the firmware can decode a gazillion formats in addition to rigid DVD (the more expensive players can) |
| 20:15.12 | takatumi | shakparl: munin is nice. |
| 20:15.23 | BadMan | arg... why can i not mount a data cd to a diretory in my home files? |
| 20:15.38 | thecava | PerfDave : less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:15.39 | netgod | BadMan: because you are not root? :-) |
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| 20:15.55 | BadMan | why should I have to be root to mount a cd? |
| 20:15.56 | PerfDave | thecava: Do "grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log" |
| 20:16.08 | thomask | BadMan: is this directory empty? |
| 20:16.17 | netgod | BadMan: why should the 10,000 users of an ISP webserver have access to the servers CD-ROM drive? |
| 20:16.18 | BadMan | yes /home/bill/cdrom/ |
| 20:16.19 | thecava | PerfDave : only line, (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 20:16.28 | Lee__ | . |
| 20:16.42 | shakparl | takatumi: how many servers are you monitoring with this? does it have plugins for hvac/temp monitoring like nagios |
| 20:16.48 | BadMan | so if I mount it as root can I read from it as reg user? |
| 20:16.51 | martha | netgod: I can pick the encoding format, and size is not an issue. I just need to know if fewer people will be able to watch the movie on their home dvd-players if I burn it on CDR (easier) |
| 20:16.52 | Lee__ | sorry. finger slipped. |
| 20:16.55 | netgod | BadMan: yes |
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| 20:16.57 | BadMan | ok |
| 20:17.00 | BadMan | thx |
| 20:17.08 | takatumi | shakparl: it's just me myself and I. |
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| 20:17.26 | netgod | BadMan: you can also hack /etc/fstab to give any user permission to mount the cd in exactly that place at their whim |
| 20:17.26 | thecava | martha: vcds are lower quality than dvds. |
| 20:17.31 | shakparl | fuck it i'm going with Nagios/MRTG |
| 20:17.36 | netgod | BadMan: its just that root needs to allow it first |
| 20:17.47 | BadMan | ok |
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| 20:17.56 | Jerr | I plan on moving from FC3 to Debian |
| 20:17.57 | thecava | PerfDave : card is ati radeon 7500, i'm using the 'radeon' driver. |
| 20:18.10 | thecava | PerfDave : monitor is syncmaster 710N (analog tft) |
| 20:18.14 | Jerr | my /home and /var are on seperate partitions |
| 20:18.15 | PerfDave | thecava: Hmm, I'd've thoght there'd be some other error. |
| 20:18.18 | martha | thecava: quality doesn't bother me (short film of poor quality to begin with) |
| 20:18.22 | PerfDave | thecava: I guess you'll just have to look at the warnings. |
| 20:18.32 | PerfDave | thecava: No idea about ATI drivers either, except that they suck. |
| 20:18.34 | thecava | PerfDave : and it used to work great before i reinstalled. |
| 20:18.54 | Jerr | anything I need to do/know before moving to Debian? |
| 20:18.55 | thecava | PerfDave : you know, using the standard dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:19.19 | thomask | PerfDave: I don't think so, warnings are not fatal. |
| 20:19.24 | PerfDave | thecava: I'm afraid I don't know what's up with your system, I'd suspect the radeon drivers. |
| 20:19.29 | netgod | martha: oooh ok. Probably fewer people will be able to see it, but its very hard to guess what the ratio of rejects and returns would be; thankfully DVD-R is well under $1 in bulk finally |
| 20:19.42 | PerfDave | thomask: Yes, but if there are no helpful error messages, there might be something enlightening in the warnings. |
| 20:19.54 | thecava | martha: i'd stick with the cheaper media then. |
| 20:19.55 | martha | netgod: but not DVD-R drives |
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| 20:20.08 | netgod | martha: oh, hehe :-) |
| 20:20.16 | thecava | PerfDave : yeah i also suspect the radeon drivers. but i'm nuts. |
| 20:20.20 | thecava | PerfDave : i need my gnome! |
| 20:20.23 | thecava | PerfDave : ;) |
| 20:20.25 | martha | netgod: to burn DVD-Rs I need to hassle some friends, etc |
| 20:20.30 | netgod | then again, if your users have computers, CD-ROM is more prevalent than DVD-ROM |
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| 20:20.46 | martha | netgod: they don't |
| 20:21.03 | thecava | martha: come on, all dvd players play vcd crap. which one doesn't? |
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| 20:21.37 | BadMan | thecava: my old rca doesnt hehe |
| 20:21.42 | martha | thecava: that's my question: do all dvd players play vcd crap, how many don't? |
| 20:21.44 | netgod | thecava: check the DVD webboards on google |
| 20:21.44 | thecava | BadMan : hehe. |
| 20:21.45 | PerfDave | thecava: Try using the standard vesa driver or something, see if that works? |
| 20:21.56 | BadMan | but my sony's and apexs do |
| 20:21.58 | thecava | PerfDave : just change 'radeon' to 'vesa' ? |
| 20:22.04 | PerfDave | thecava: Yeah, in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:22.10 | thecava | k. |
| 20:22.11 | thecava | thx. |
| 20:22.24 | netgod | martha: thats the thing -- all of them do NOW, question is how mny users have stuff from 3 years ago? |
| 20:22.41 | RedPenguin | Isn't inetd, the thing that tells things like IRC servers info like real name? |
| 20:22.47 | netgod | hard to guess without sending product out and getting feedback |
| 20:23.15 | netgod | RedPenguin: close, thats identd; inetd is the thing that invokes identd |
| 20:23.18 | martha | do first-edition xboxes play vcd by the way? they are about 2-3 years old |
| 20:23.33 | netgod | RedPenguin: inetd just sits around wating for connections to random little thingys |
| 20:23.35 | martha | i have one collecting dust somewhere |
| 20:24.12 | Lee__ | I forgot the root password recovery steps. Booting into single user mode still asks me for it. |
| 20:24.15 | RedPenguin | What is it, if you want an identd to run? apt-get install ident(d)? |
| 20:24.16 | luite | what's a good PCI ATA (parallel) controller to use with kernel 2.6? I keep getting DMA timeout problems with my promise based controller. (reproducible with several different hard drives) |
| 20:24.23 | RedPenguin | (d) meaning with or without d |
| 20:24.50 | c4_ | where is the include path? |
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| 20:25.02 | netgod | martha: check the movie piracy webboards, theyre suprisingly authoritative experts on writing DVDs |
| 20:25.36 | RedPenguin | c4_, usually /usr/include but I think it is sometimes just /include |
| 20:25.44 | tuxipuxi | hi i've problems with getting my tv card running on my new system.. anybody an idea what this output means? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cz1l5d24.html thanks a ton in advance |
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| 20:25.49 | BleSS | somebody with apm in laptop can show me (private message) it's output 'cat /proc/apm' i want know about battery |
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| 20:26.41 | c4_ | RedPenguin: no, i mean the variable |
| 20:26.52 | c4_ | RedPenguin: is some kinda expat or something? |
| 20:26.58 | netgod | heh ive got 98% and its on AC power; my battery must suck |
| 20:27.30 | jim | johnnie? |
| 20:28.13 | netgod | jim: yes? |
| 20:28.14 | martha | netgod: where do I find those webboards? google gives lousy results for "movie piracy webboard" query |
| 20:28.19 | jim | heya |
| 20:28.22 | jim | ltnt |
| 20:28.23 | takatumi | BleSS: google |
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| 20:28.26 | netgod | heh um |
| 20:28.29 | thecava | PerfDave : yeah, works great with vesa driver. this radeon thing is being a bitch! |
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| 20:28.46 | scarynetworkguy | martha: http://www.vcdhelp.com might be a good place to start. |
| 20:29.01 | drac | I have 2 machines, and just one machine with soundcard, older machine that I use as server. Is it possible to send all sounds from desktop to this server's soundcard? With ALSA.. ? |
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| 20:29.13 | drac | They are in same LAN. |
| 20:29.37 | mrhemlock | drac, nas is network audio server ;) |
| 20:29.39 | netgod | jim: heh yes, this is turning out to be quite the interesting decade |
| 20:30.04 | jim | how so? |
| 20:30.34 | drac | mrhemlock: thks. |
| 20:31.09 | netgod | jim: the popping of the tech bubble, the mass manipulation of the american voting public, the enginered war, stuff like that |
| 20:31.20 | netgod | jim: who wouldve thought, besides Orwell? |
| 20:31.25 | thomask | thecava: check if it isn't just a name confusion in the conf file |
| 20:31.41 | thomask | thecava: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:31.42 | jim | yeah, except it came years later |
| 20:31.49 | mrhemlock | netgod, jim Auldus Huxly |
| 20:32.13 | thomask | thecava: See the "Device" section for the radeon, look what "Identifier" says. |
| 20:32.23 | netgod | http://www.manifest-tech.com/media_dvd/dvd_compat.htm |
| 20:32.38 | netgod | mrhemlock: heh |
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| 20:32.44 | thomask | thecava: then check below at "ServerLayout" if there's an "InputDevice" with that name. |
| 20:32.47 | thecava | thomask: used dpkg-reconfigure, hehe. |
| 20:32.59 | jim | I think I'm getting the hang of acs now... |
| 20:33.22 | thecava | thomask: ah man! yea! it's all messed up! |
| 20:33.29 | thecava | thomask: then the config script is bugged. |
| 20:33.34 | netgod | jim: last i checked they were completely reimplmenting it in java |
| 20:33.36 | thecava | thomask: it should build the thing using the right indentifiers. |
| 20:33.36 | netgod | jim: how goes it? |
| 20:33.45 | jim | now there's openacs |
| 20:33.46 | takatumi | thecava: file a bug. |
| 20:34.06 | jim | and they use the original tech, plus they can also use pg |
| 20:34.38 | sgeiger | What goes on when this happens: A partition is filled to 100% capacity, but when a large portion of the disk space gets deleted, the amount of disk space "df -h" uses does not drop below 100% immediately. After a while of doing nothing additional--perhaps a day or two--the amount of disk space that appears to be in use drops below 100%. |
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| 20:34.44 | ireverentReveren | how do i create a new group in debian? |
| 20:34.52 | jim | man groupadd |
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| 20:35.06 | netgod | or addgroup |
| 20:35.07 | DiyoJen | debian tr kanali varmi? |
| 20:35.13 | netgod | jim: ah cool |
| 20:35.29 | jim | and it's actively developed/maintained |
| 20:35.51 | thecava | ah theres no bug. it was me. hehe. |
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| 20:36.40 | jim | netgod, you still in the bay area? |
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| 20:37.06 | netgod | jim: i should look into it again; i never liked php, and im reluctant to use perl for any large application -- how would i read it later? |
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| 20:37.12 | netgod | jim: no i moved back to the midwest |
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| 20:37.30 | jim | heh :) |
| 20:37.43 | netgod | jim: i was in los angeles all of 2004; just moved |
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| 20:38.38 | takatumi | thecava: thought so ;) |
| 20:38.48 | jim | oic; I couldn't deal with some of those people in the south bay |
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| 20:38.59 | jim | I got mad at a coupla em |
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| 20:39.44 | netgod | heh |
| 20:39.46 | thecava | takatumi: i just don't know why i can't get it up with the radeon driver but i can with the vesa one. |
| 20:39.48 | takatumi | netgod: wtf is "itenerant developer emeritus"? |
| 20:40.06 | netgod | takatumi: you can parse it with dictionary.com |
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| 20:40.34 | thecava | thomask: :( |
| 20:40.36 | takatumi | thecava: thats a radeon bug, yeah it won't work well, and you won't get DRI with vesa either. |
| 20:40.59 | thecava | takatumi: holy shit.. it used to work fine on the previous woody release! (r2 i think i had) |
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| 20:41.13 | takatumi | !dict itenerant developer emeritus |
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| 20:41.29 | sussudio | badger? |
| 20:41.41 | takatumi | thecava: which radeon? |
| 20:41.42 | priest | is there a way to log which files sftp-sessions transfere? |
| 20:41.47 | thecava | takatumi: 7500 |
| 20:41.49 | takatumi | sussudio: badgers |
| 20:42.14 | takatumi | thecava: you'll probably need fglrx |
| 20:42.20 | thecava | takatumi: fglrx? |
| 20:42.28 | takatumi | !ati |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 20:42.46 | netgod | takatumi: btw thats a typo, its itinerant |
| 20:43.06 | thecava | ... |
| 20:43.09 | takatumi | netgod: hah. typo on your title? |
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| 20:43.25 | thecava | can't i just download the ati drivers for linux |
| 20:43.30 | thecava | from ati's site, compile and load them? |
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| 20:43.49 | nnnnnn | hey |
| 20:43.56 | nnnnnn | anyone knows if the gnome 2.10 live cd can mount ntfs? |
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| 20:44.04 | valdyn | thecava: sure, just dont come back here to complain that it "doesnt work" |
| 20:44.12 | thecava | valdyn: come on don't be cruel. |
| 20:44.19 | thecava | valdyn: i just want a decent driver for my decent card. |
| 20:44.24 | takatumi | !tell thecava -about ati drivers |
| 20:44.40 | calin | is it true that almost everything in linux is a file? |
| 20:44.52 | valdyn | calin: yes and no |
| 20:44.54 | thomask | thecava: then I'm out of ideas :-( |
| 20:44.54 | thomask | thecava: I thougth of the naming issue because of the "not found" message... |
| 20:45.00 | takatumi | calin: including the character calin. |
| 20:45.02 | thecava | thomask: thx neways. |
| 20:45.09 | valdyn | calin: locally almost everything, in a network not really |
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| 20:45.42 | calin | valdyn: like the current screen? I can find a file on my computer that is a raw stream of the current visible desktop in x? |
| 20:45.54 | netgod | calin: almost everything, because thats the elegant paradigm that UNIX is based on; even if something isnt a file, it pretends to be |
| 20:46.09 | calin | yeah, i understand taht |
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| 20:46.35 | valdyn | calin: X is networked |
| 20:46.40 | calin | oh, okay |
| 20:46.40 | takatumi | calin: try ttyrec |
| 20:46.46 | netgod | calin: yes, its in /proc/, you can open up your entire RAM as a file -- if you are root |
| 20:46.47 | paku | 7msg/dpkg |
| 20:46.48 | valdyn | calin: so its one exception |
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| 20:47.05 | netgod | calin: but if you write to it, well, anything could happen |
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| 20:47.22 | valdyn | calin: though you can still access your framebuffer in /proc/kcore, thats not really elegant |
| 20:48.07 | BleSS | where get info about ups in /proc? |
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| 20:48.17 | myumf | hello |
| 20:48.31 | takatumi | BleSS: grep -iR ups /proc |
| 20:48.31 | netgod | calin: in fact thats how "ps" traditionally worked, but opening up the RAM file and poking around at what processes were doing; there was no kernel interface for querying ps info |
| 20:48.47 | BleSS | takatumi, i have not ups |
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| 20:49.20 | sineer | hi |
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| 20:49.34 | takatumi | BleSS: neither do I. |
| 20:49.35 | sineer | anyone here made a sarge dvd image with jigdo? |
| 20:49.42 | thecava | damn |
| 20:49.42 | jim | netgod: other than all that, I've been playing music as a sort of serious hobby |
| 20:49.42 | netgod | sineer: i made one |
| 20:49.44 | sineer | I'm wondering whats on the second dvd... more packages? |
| 20:49.45 | thecava | what a bitch this thing is. |
| 20:49.53 | netgod | jim: linux synths? |
| 20:49.54 | thecava | is there a sarge dvd available via jigdo too? |
| 20:49.55 | sineer | netgod, cool.. so first dvd will be bootable right? |
| 20:49.58 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | greetings Peasants |
| 20:50.07 | thecava | damn someone asked that 2 lines above. |
| 20:50.12 | takatumi | sineer: you don't need all of that, even CD#1 will do. |
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| 20:50.18 | jim | Sir_Peter_Maxwel: way to ask for help :) |
| 20:50.19 | netgod | sineer: thats my hope; i havent tested it yet |
| 20:50.33 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | I need no help |
| 20:50.35 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | I am here to help |
| 20:50.46 | netgod | jim: u hacking some techno or something? |
| 20:50.51 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | so ask away |
| 20:51.04 | thecava | i want my radeon thing! |
| 20:51.07 | sineer | takatumi, yeah no doupt.. but I just god a dvd burner and I wanna try burning a sarge dvd heh.. |
| 20:51.15 | takatumi | how do I fix my time, clock is off by 7 minutes. |
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| 20:51.24 | takatumi | Sir_Peter_Maxwel: ^^? |
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| 20:51.43 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | he |
| 20:51.55 | takatumi | he? that's all you got? |
| 20:52.00 | takatumi | dumbass. |
| 20:52.07 | Sir_Peter_Maxwel | the hand is not more instrumental to the mind, nor the heart more instrumental to the soul, than you, my peasants, are to my good graces |
| 20:52.09 | thecava | hey. is it safe to install woody base and then upgrade to sarge or it's better to do a clean sarge install? |
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| 20:52.45 | takatumi | thecava: clean sarge would be cleaner. |
| 20:52.50 | JKnife | what all is on the 7cds? |
| 20:52.52 | netgod | thecave: the update worked for me, just be sure to do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:52.56 | thecava | takatumi: next question: where can i get a sarge cd? |
| 20:52.56 | netgod | JKnife: stuff |
| 20:53.04 | thecava | takatumi: are there official jigdo images? |
| 20:53.04 | takatumi | !d-i thecava |
| 20:53.04 | caphuso | thecava: it doesn't matter |
| 20:53.05 | dpkg | thecava, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:53.09 | sgeiger | !+debian-installer |
| 20:53.10 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i |
| 20:53.12 | netgod | with sarge i have a 2.3GB /usr |
| 20:53.19 | valdyn | thecava: sarge has nice features that will be on if you use the installer, but they will not if you upgrade woody ( for good and obvious reasons ) |
| 20:53.32 | thecava | cool .. |
| 20:53.33 | caphuso | valdyn: like? |
| 20:53.34 | JKnife | where can i find a list of what is on eatch cd? |
| 20:53.41 | thecava | i'm gonna jigdo-it while i have lunch hehe. |
| 20:53.47 | thecava | ttyl kids! |
| 20:53.57 | sgeiger | JKnife, why? why not just install...and then use apt-cache search? |
| 20:54.01 | caphuso | the only i can think of right now is devfs, and that's hardly a feature and definitely not nice |
| 20:54.02 | valdyn | caphuso: hardware detection, hotplug |
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| 20:54.11 | Adesilmeron | ein deutscher da? |
| 20:54.12 | Adesilmeron | :) |
| 20:54.16 | caphuso | !de |
| 20:54.16 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:54.21 | JKnife | sgeiger, i dont want a cluttered install |
| 20:54.21 | Adesilmeron | !de |
| 20:54.21 | sgeiger | !+confuse caphuso |
| 20:54.23 | dpkg | Yes, how was our pants tomorrow, caphuso? breeches of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 20:54.29 | netgod | devfs may be the easiest way to get USB support, which most people likely want |
| 20:54.31 | caphuso | valdyn: you get both by installing the corresponding packages just fine |
| 20:54.39 | takatumi | caphuso: like "do_initrd = yes" in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 20:54.56 | caphuso | takatumi: what? |
| 20:54.58 | valdyn | caphuso: i know I _can_ install them, but they aren't part of the upgrade, its additional work |
| 20:55.21 | JKnife | all i want is gcc a bunch of libs the source for them... fluxbox and enlightenment and thats about it |
| 20:55.21 | takatumi | caphuso: that's not on by default in woody I hear. |
| 20:55.33 | takatumi | caphuso: or an upgrade from woody. |
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| 20:56.06 | caphuso | takatumi: well, and it's deprecated in sarge/sid, so... |
| 20:56.18 | BadMan | PerfDave: you still around? |
| 20:56.28 | netgod | has anyone written a craigslist leecher yet? |
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| 20:56.45 | takatumi | caphuso: but its useful since it automatically adds an initrd line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:56.53 | caphuso | takatumi: it's also documented as being "default: no" in my sid installation here |
| 20:57.21 | takatumi | or that's what I was lead to believe. |
| 20:57.37 | Lord_Rathborn | here fucking, here old boy |
| 20:57.37 | thecava | btw where do i get the official jigdo sarge image? |
| 20:57.53 | takatumi | caphuso: can you +q this dimwit? |
| 20:57.58 | sgeiger | !+jigdo |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | jigdo is probably *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 20:58.27 | Lord_Rathborn | interesting |
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| 20:58.41 | joecool | how can i open a .gz into nano, without extracting |
| 20:58.48 | joecool | tried piping.. that was bad |
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| 20:59.05 | takatumi | joecool: zcat file.gz |less |
| 20:59.07 | netgod | joecool: u just want to read it? zmore |
| 20:59.12 | netgod | or zless |
| 20:59.19 | takatumi | or zless |
| 20:59.21 | joecool | yeah, but i wanna find a specific part |
| 20:59.24 | joecool | can less do that even? |
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| 20:59.33 | joecool | this is a big file |
| 20:59.33 | caphuso | joecool: yeah |
| 20:59.38 | joecool | caphuso: how? |
| 20:59.39 | philips | Apache Question: My config has the follwing lines, but I keep getting errors about ProxyPass being an unknown directive. ' AddModule mod_proxy.c' 'LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so' Anyone know whats up? |
| 20:59.44 | caphuso | joecool: man lessfile |
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| 21:00.07 | netgod | joecool: in less, hit "/", type in the first few characters of the part, and hit enter |
| 21:00.27 | FromTO | is there any hardware scsi chanels to talk on? I have a problem with my scsi controller, it does not find any devices. I tried to another controller with no luck |
| 21:00.45 | netgod | philips: is proxypass after the addmodule line? |
| 21:00.46 | takatumi | philips: tried #apache? |
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| 21:01.31 | joecool | thanks everyone.. got it |
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| 21:03.07 | azreal | FromTO: which card? |
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| 21:03.48 | FromTO | azreal: it's a aha2939cu adaptec. |
| 21:03.59 | philips | netgod: yea, the addmodule is in the modules.conf |
| 21:04.05 | FromTO | azreal: the other one was a compac pulled out of a server |
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| 21:04.18 | nOOb1 | hey |
| 21:04.43 | FromTO | azreal: would you have an insight on waht else could cause this |
| 21:04.52 | nOOb1 | can someone help me extract from a .tar lol |
| 21:05.00 | jethro | nOOb1: man tar |
| 21:05.04 | netgod | n00b1: tar -xvf file.tar |
| 21:05.12 | jethro | nOOb1: man tar lol kthx :D |
| 21:05.12 | nOOb1 | dude |
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| 21:05.31 | nOOb1 | can you like tell me step by step haah |
| 21:05.48 | nOOb1 | im a litle slow |
| 21:05.49 | jethro | nOOb1: yeah, 1/ open a shell, 2/ type man, then a space, then tar |
| 21:05.56 | drac | Hmm, I have 2 NICs, Realtek 8139 (8139too).. but only one is being used. How should I load the another card? |
| 21:05.57 | jethro | then read the whole fucking thing, and stfu |
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| 21:06.16 | nOOb1 | xterminal? |
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| 21:06.32 | jethro | nOOb1: that could give a shell, so yes, try an xterm |
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| 21:07.12 | nOOb1 | k, im there... now what? |
| 21:07.15 | jethro | nOOb1: you might want to read the basic stuff a newbie wants to know about linux, google for such doc, and save us from your stupid questions |
| 21:07.33 | nOOb1 | yea, your right |
| 21:07.37 | jethro | thank you |
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| 21:08.17 | jethro | !newbie |
| 21:08.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 21:09.00 | valdyn | drac: i dont really know, but out of curiousity i did a grep "muliple adapters" in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/ , yields some info |
| 21:09.11 | j_k | jethro: now running in background ? |
| 21:09.21 | drac | valdyn: thanks, any help is appreciated |
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| 21:11.30 | j_k | drac: is your second card not detected (doesn't show up in kernel messages and ifconfig -a) or just not used ? |
| 21:11.50 | BadMan | umm where did the nvidia-glx itesm needed to use hardwar gl on nvidia cards goto? |
| 21:11.59 | drac | j_k: Found this, 8139too: 0000:00:0a.0: Chip not responding, ignoring board |
| 21:12.07 | drac | broken nic? |
| 21:12.20 | drac | 8139too: probe of 0000:00:0a.0 failed with error -5 |
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| 21:12.43 | j_k | drac: sounds bad :-| |
| 21:12.54 | nOOb1 | can you give me a link to one with pics lol |
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| 21:13.15 | drac | Bah, i'll buy new card.. This one has money-back still possible. 7e 10cent |
| 21:13.16 | drac | :) |
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| 21:13.25 | j_k | drac: maybe you can try to remove the other card and see how it works. You may want to try another slot, too. |
| 21:13.29 | thecava | ok now i'm damn nuts |
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| 21:13.38 | j_k | drac: (only suggestions) |
| 21:13.41 | thecava | i installed debian and compiled the driver for my bcm4400 card, t all worked fine |
| 21:13.48 | thecava | i got it up and running with dhclient etc. etc. |
| 21:14.05 | thecava | now i boot back on windows xp and suddenly it says i have the network unplugged |
| 21:14.08 | thecava | and all that sick shit |
| 21:14.09 | nOOb1 | jethro, could you find me a link to an easy one with pics |
| 21:14.12 | thecava | and the led won't turn on on my router |
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| 21:14.23 | thecava | and it won't turn on when i turn on the computer either, like it used to do |
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| 21:14.30 | thecava | it only works when i dhclient' it. |
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| 21:15.30 | thecava | i assume that it means that either dhclient or the driver changed some internal setting |
| 21:15.33 | chrisdertolle | hi i want to use my own kernel so i unpacked it into /usr/src and compiled it. how do i generate a inetd file and add it to grub ? |
| 21:15.36 | thecava | in the card? |
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| 21:15.55 | BadMan | PerfDave: are you alive...? |
| 21:16.20 | puppet | Hmm aint there any mirrors for the netinstall sarge cause cdimages is SLOW :/ |
| 21:16.31 | PerfDave | BadMan: Briefly. |
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| 21:16.50 | netgod | chrisdertolle: man mkinitrd |
| 21:16.54 | BadMan | PerfDave: what happened to the nvidia-glx stuff.... for sarge? |
| 21:16.57 | thecava | help please... |
| 21:17.05 | BadMan | nvidia-setting etc... |
| 21:17.17 | PerfDave | BadMan: Not sure, but the factoid tells you how to get the packages from sid. |
| 21:17.21 | thecava | after setting up my nic in debian, now it won't connect on any other os, and won't turn on the led on the router when i turn on the computer |
| 21:17.24 | thecava | that's the point. |
| 21:17.26 | thecava | any other os = windows. |
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| 21:17.48 | cadu | there is some channel talking about hardware support on linux ? |
| 21:17.51 | netzmeister | hello, does anybody use the ABIT AV8 Mainboard ? |
| 21:18.01 | BadMan | thecava loose cable maybe? |
| 21:18.03 | azreal | cadu: #hardware |
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| 21:18.21 | thecava | BadMan: loose cable? i'm talking about the box i'm using right now |
| 21:18.28 | BadMan | oh hehe |
| 21:18.36 | thecava | BadMan: see. when you turn on your computer, that little led in the nic just turns on. |
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| 21:18.44 | BadMan | right |
| 21:18.45 | thecava | BadMan: it always used to be that way. |
| 21:18.57 | thecava | BadMan: now i installed debian and compiled the nic driver (broadcom 4400) |
| 21:19.07 | takatumi | caphuso: thanks for the lessfile tip, its just less! |
| 21:19.14 | thecava | BadMan: now it will NEVER turn on the light (and thus communicate with the router) unless i run 'dhclient' |
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| 21:19.31 | thecava | BadMan: THAT MEANS that it DOESNT F*CKIN WORK ON WINDOWS. |
| 21:19.40 | thecava | BadMan: you have no idea how pissed off i am. |
| 21:19.53 | thecava | i need to do some important stuff and i can't. |
| 21:20.07 | cadu | hey |
| 21:20.12 | chealer | BadMan: nvidia-settings is still in sarge |
| 21:20.15 | thecava | any helper? |
| 21:20.16 | fbhjr | I told her not to buy those tickets |
| 21:20.18 | BadMan | I dont understand how you borked a card on a deb install an d now it doesnt work in winders |
| 21:20.26 | cadu | anyone knows if SIS630/730 chipsets get OpenGL accelleration under Xfree ? |
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| 21:20.34 | thecava | i know it's fucking bizarre but it's that way. |
| 21:21.03 | takatumi | thecava: call tech support. |
| 21:21.14 | thecava | tech support! |
| 21:21.16 | BadMan | chealer: I cant find it... is it built into the nv module for the kernel? |
| 21:21.18 | thecava | man you don't get it? i'm on that box now. |
| 21:21.21 | FieldySnuts | @stfu thecava |
| 21:21.24 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP thecava! |
| 21:21.29 | takatumi | thecava: call microsoft. |
| 21:21.34 | thecava | bleh. |
| 21:21.35 | BadMan | LOL! |
| 21:21.36 | thecava | also call qnx? |
| 21:21.43 | thecava | and also call award bios? |
| 21:21.54 | nOOb1 | someone send me a link to d[pkg |
| 21:21.56 | FieldySnuts | you're ranting; hint: we don't give a flyin shit. |
| 21:21.59 | thecava | it should turn on the led when i turn on the computer. it doesn't. |
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| 21:22.08 | shakparl | what kind of network/service/resource monitoring do you sysadmins use |
| 21:22.10 | luite | what's the best ATA133 RAID card for linux? |
| 21:22.12 | thecava | i know you can't tolerate the word windows |
| 21:22.14 | thecava | forget about windows |
| 21:22.18 | thecava | what about when i simply turn on the computer |
| 21:22.21 | takatumi | thecava: no tell them it works in debian but not in microshite. |
| 21:22.32 | thecava | it won't communicate with the router. |
| 21:22.34 | thecava | no led on. |
| 21:22.35 | nOOb1 | SOMEONE SEND ME A LINK TO DPKG!!!!!!! |
| 21:22.35 | thecava | what now? |
| 21:22.36 | nOOb1 | NOW |
| 21:22.52 | shakparl | nOOb1: wtf |
| 21:22.52 | FieldySnuts | luite: don't bother. i haven't found a single ata "raid" card that is 100% hardware raid, which means you end up using software raid anyway. |
| 21:22.56 | valdyn | !kill nOOb1 |
| 21:22.58 | takatumi | !fist nOOb1 |
| 21:23.00 | thenuke | nOOb1: link to what?-) |
| 21:23.06 | nOOb1 | IDK |
| 21:23.14 | nOOb1 | DPKG I THINK |
| 21:23.14 | dpkg | Don't think. Find out. |
| 21:23.17 | luite | FieldySnuts: then what's the best ATA133 controller :) (either raid or non-raid) |
| 21:23.20 | thenuke | nOOb1: http://www.google.com OK |
| 21:23.26 | nOOb1 | NOOOOOOO |
| 21:23.27 | valdyn | nOOb1: fix your capslock key |
| 21:23.32 | FieldySnuts | luite: i really don't know, it's ata, they all suck |
| 21:23.35 | nOOb1 | LOL |
| 21:23.36 | chealer | BadMan: hehe, nvidia-settings is just a GUI : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=nvidia-settings |
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| 21:23.39 | thecava | meh |
| 21:23.55 | thenuke | nOOb1: you are going to get kick/ban if you are going to type everything in caps |
| 21:23.56 | thecava | dam. |
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| 21:23.58 | nOOb1 | i need help extracting this damm tar |
| 21:24.01 | thecava | it's probably the bcm thing. |
| 21:24.02 | thecava | bye! |
| 21:24.06 | thenuke | nOOb1: man tar |
| 21:24.06 | TheZanke | how do i run something as a process so when i close ssh the proccess wont close too? |
| 21:24.15 | BadMan | chealer: jsut wonder after apt-get update and then apt-cache search nvidia dont reveal anything |
| 21:24.20 | chealer | BadMan: for the real nvidia drivers they were removed from sarge due to at least one RC bug |
| 21:24.22 | thenuke | nOOb1: google howto tar and howto untar and so on.. |
| 21:24.23 | PerfDave | TheZanke: nohup, screen |
| 21:24.34 | joaopaulo | i cant up a module on debian instalation, when try to up get some error messages, what can i do ? |
| 21:24.39 | nOOb1 | i need a link to a easy tutorail of extracting tar |
| 21:24.44 | TheZanke | i treid screen but i can't get it to work |
| 21:24.44 | BadMan | ahhh thats what Im after.. thgouht just maybe I couldnt find them |
| 21:24.45 | nOOb1 | with pics lol |
| 21:24.45 | FieldySnuts | man tar |
| 21:24.47 | FieldySnuts | fucking man tar |
| 21:24.48 | FieldySnuts | you idiot |
| 21:24.59 | nOOb1 | sry lol |
| 21:25.12 | chealer | BadMan: really? I really think you should have nvidia-settings. it's in contrib though. |
| 21:25.19 | nOOb1 | well i need to get my game running |
| 21:25.32 | thenuke | nOOb1: have you even tried reading manual of tar? |
| 21:25.33 | takatumi | nOOb1: which one? |
| 21:25.43 | Wanderer | anyone running debian unstable using a belkin wireless card? |
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| 21:25.52 | nOOb1 | http://linux.org.mt/article/selfextract |
| 21:25.56 | BadMan | chealer: ok lookin again... |
| 21:25.59 | nOOb1 | that ones confusing lol |
| 21:26.05 | takatumi | Wanderer: planning to wander with the wifi eh? |
| 21:26.16 | nOOb1 | can you take me step by step on where to go and what to do |
| 21:26.20 | Wanderer | takatumi: trying to but I can't find the driver for my card |
| 21:26.24 | BadMan | all Im finding is nvtv for nvidia tv cards... |
| 21:26.32 | Wanderer | lspci can see it (BCM4306) but google hasn't identified it |
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| 21:27.14 | chealer | BadMan: sorry, I don't understand then. |
| 21:27.19 | azreal | nOOb1 is running knoppix, and wants help with a game running in knoppix, were you not referred to #knoppix allready? |
| 21:27.20 | solomonn | isn't there a dpkg cache of all the control information for available and/or installed packages someplace? |
| 21:27.29 | solomonn | i want to be sneaky and manually change it |
| 21:27.44 | warhead | I have problem with package nfs-common , when I try mount from client I have message "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 21:27.50 | nOOb1 | lol i was but how do i get there |
| 21:27.56 | thomas_adam | solomonn: via dpkg-reconfigure <foo>, yes. Manually changing it is not 1337, it's just stupid. |
| 21:28.01 | nOOb1 | and how do you know im on knoppix |
| 21:28.10 | chealer | nOOb1: /join #knoppix |
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| 21:28.19 | solomonn | thomas_adam: no, control info, not debconf info |
| 21:28.30 | azreal | nOOb1: umm, becaus eim not an idiot, and i can remember shit. |
| 21:28.30 | solomonn | thomas_adam: dependancies, etc. |
| 21:28.38 | thomas_adam | solomonn: Ah, dependencies. |
| 21:28.44 | Wanderer | ok, looks like this card is just unsupported. What's the website that'll tell me whatcard at compusa toswapthis one for? |
| 21:28.52 | solomonn | thomas_adam: i.e. debian/control |
| 21:28.56 | azreal | nOOb1: you have been asking the same dumb ass question here for the past 5 or 6 hours |
| 21:29.16 | solomonn | thomas_adam: i could recompile the package after modifying its debian/control but i can't get the thing compiled, it's a bit of a monster |
| 21:29.28 | thomas_adam | solomonn: It is the only way, to be sure. |
| 21:29.35 | thomas_adam | solomonn: unless you fake it with equivs, somehow... |
| 21:29.43 | solomonn | not familiar with equivs |
| 21:29.48 | takatumi | Wanderer: most of the belkins on google seem to need ndiswrapper, don't see your model though. |
| 21:30.08 | BadMan | chealer: think i figured it out, need the nvidia-kernel-source hehe |
| 21:30.09 | solomonn | maybe i could recompile some random easy package like gtktrue or something and have it provide the package that is incorrectly depended upon |
| 21:30.10 | solomonn | hehehe |
| 21:30.19 | nOOb1 | dude |
| 21:30.21 | nOOb1 | im slow lol |
| 21:30.31 | nOOb1 | and im new to this |
| 21:30.39 | Wanderer | takatumi: yeah, found that as well. gonna take it to compusa and swap it |
| 21:30.44 | Wanderer | any idea of what's a good one? |
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| 21:31.11 | tomb0y | how do i get gftp to connect to a site via ssl ? |
| 21:31.15 | takatumi | Wanderer: the one I have is a linksys WPC11 v3, natively supported by the kernel. |
| 21:31.22 | Wanderer | perfect |
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| 21:31.38 | takatumi | Wanderer: I don't think you get v3 now though. |
| 21:31.41 | Rhubarb2 | I have 5 .asf files ... is there a conversion to move them to .ogg or .mp3 or even a player in the apt-get tree that will work? |
| 21:31.54 | Wanderer | yeah but linksys has a good rep with drivers from what I've seen |
| 21:31.59 | Wanderer | got some in some servers |
| 21:32.12 | no-id2 | good evening |
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| 21:32.17 | takatumi | Wanderer: all the new ones need ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.19 | no-id2 | i got a question will: su user1 | /blah/user/script if in init.d script will execute the specified script as user1 |
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| 21:32.29 | Wanderer | yuck |
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| 21:33.08 | nOOb1 | someone PM me |
| 21:33.16 | Wanderer | afk a few |
| 21:33.27 | TheZanke | with the screen command how do i kill attached windows? |
| 21:33.41 | MacNamera | What's the best grabbing program at the moment for debian? |
| 21:33.55 | lawnchair | TheZanke, you are totally watching 'From Justin to Kelly' right now |
| 21:33.58 | azreal | nOOb1: shut up, or go away |
| 21:33.59 | takatumi | MacNamera: buttgrabber |
| 21:34.05 | nOOb1 | hey, is fedora good? |
| 21:34.09 | TheZanke | lawnchair: ? |
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| 21:34.13 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 21:34.14 | cyberdata | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or derectory .. pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:34.17 | lawnchair | TheZanke, no use lying...i know hte truth |
| 21:34.24 | shakparl | what's the paste site for this channel |
| 21:34.32 | NP_complete | I have a little question |
| 21:34.33 | TheZanke | lawnchair: wtf are you talking about? |
| 21:34.34 | takatumi | !paster |
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| 21:34.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 21:34.39 | cyberdata | i get that at booting what i my fault ? |
| 21:34.42 | lawnchair | TheZanke, youre totally in denial |
| 21:34.52 | azreal | !ops nOOb1 is trolling |
| 21:34.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: nOOb1 is trolling |
| 21:34.56 | TheZanke | lawnchair: yeah, that's it |
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| 21:35.22 | NP_complete | I have a FTP server (proFTPd) some users can loggin and list files, other users can loggin but CAN'T LIST FILE, why??? |
| 21:35.30 | nvz | nOOb1: does this look like a fedora channel? goto #fedora |
| 21:35.45 | takatumi | ooooh nvzeee |
| 21:36.06 | no-id2 | anyone: su user1 | /blah/user/script if in init.d script will execute the specified script as user1 |
| 21:36.15 | nOOb1 | lol, thanks |
| 21:36.21 | no-id2 | ?? |
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| 21:36.29 | nvz | nOOb1: /part #debian |
| 21:36.35 | puppet | I want a mirror on the sarge netinstall :/ |
| 21:36.40 | nvz | this channel is too large for you, obviously |
| 21:36.53 | takatumi | puppet: apt-setup |
| 21:37.05 | MacNamera | is buttgrabber running in the shell or has it a grafical user interface? |
| 21:37.06 | puppet | takatumi: apt-setup? :) |
| 21:37.09 | acollins | my /dev/hdc has disappeared |
| 21:37.18 | takatumi | puppet: or you want to download a sarge iso? |
| 21:37.19 | shakparl | acollins: is tha tyour cdrom |
| 21:37.20 | acollins | how do i put it back? |
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| 21:37.27 | puppet | takatumi: sarge iso |
| 21:37.32 | puppet | takatumi: gone install it on my laptop |
| 21:37.38 | takatumi | !d-i puppet |
| 21:37.38 | dpkg | puppet, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:37.48 | puppet | yeah... i know |
| 21:37.51 | hehelol | hey guys I accidently deleted my /etc/init.d/mysql can any of you send me a copy? :) |
| 21:37.53 | valdyn | acollins: are you using udev? |
| 21:37.56 | shakparl | hehelol: |
| 21:38.02 | puppet | takatumi: but ther eis just one download place |
| 21:38.05 | cadu | sis630/730 does opengl hardware accell graphics on XFree ? |
| 21:38.07 | acollins | valdyn: not sure |
| 21:38.10 | puppet | takatumi: cdimages.debian.org |
| 21:38.18 | takatumi | puppet: is the site down? |
| 21:38.24 | puppet | takatumi: no but insane slow :( |
| 21:38.32 | NP_complete | I have a proftpd running but some users can't list files, dir... why? |
| 21:38.36 | valdyn | acollins: try look if /.dev exists |
| 21:38.37 | takatumi | puppet: try jigdo probably. |
| 21:38.38 | puppet | takatumi: downloading in 22KB/Sec |
| 21:38.42 | nvz | this is a good quit message.. heh, seen it in #flood "The Computers are like air-conditioners, when you open "Windows", They stop working." |
| 21:38.53 | puppet | takatumi: thought jugdo was just main cds not sarge |
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| 21:39.02 | acollins | valdyn: /dev exists and all the normal stuff is there...except my cdrom devices |
| 21:39.04 | takatumi | puppet: all you need is the ~30MB biz card iso. |
| 21:39.05 | no-id2 | how does one execute something as a different user without first typing su then logining. then typing the command for init script reasons ? |
| 21:39.10 | valdyn | acollins: /.dev |
| 21:39.11 | acollins | just launched k3b and saw nothing... |
| 21:39.12 | puppet | takatumi: i dont need the big? |
| 21:39.14 | valdyn | acollins: mind the dot |
| 21:39.23 | acollins | valdyn: yes that's there |
| 21:39.26 | hehelol | can any of you help me? :o |
| 21:39.27 | takatumi | puppet: big which ? ~110MB? |
| 21:39.34 | puppet | takatumi: yeah |
| 21:39.37 | valdyn | acollins: so you are using udev, whats on your hdc? |
| 21:39.43 | takatumi | puppet: that won't hurt. |
| 21:39.46 | azreal | no-id2: su -c "somecommand" |
| 21:39.46 | nvz | hehelol: apt-get install --reinstall mysql |
| 21:39.58 | acollins | valdyn: a dvd drive |
| 21:39.59 | puppet | takatumi: whats the diff realie you know that? :) |
| 21:40.03 | valdyn | acollins: cdrom? did you just upgrade / install anyting before it disappeared? |
| 21:40.21 | no-id2 | azreal: where does the username go ? |
| 21:40.25 | acollins | valdyn: I removed fontconfig earlier today...and _all_ the stuff that goes with it |
| 21:40.27 | takatumi | puppet: the businesscard iso downloads the base from the net, the netinstall has the base. |
| 21:40.29 | NP_complete | acollins: Ets catala o valencia? |
| 21:40.32 | nvz | hehelol: don't under any circumstances ask people to send you files or accept files from people. Especially when they are part of installed packages you can easily reinstall |
| 21:40.37 | cyberdata | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or derectory .. pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:40.40 | tomb0y | ok this shouldnt be this tough.. how do i get sftp to connect to a port not on 21? trying sftp user@host:port doesnt work, sftp user@host port doesnt work either. |
| 21:40.40 | no-id2 | azreal: su -c user "somecomamnd" |
| 21:40.43 | azreal | no-id2: read the man page, i dont remember the format |
| 21:40.48 | acollins | valdyn: but I've got most things back to how they were... |
| 21:41.02 | valdyn | acollins: try "modprobe ide-cd" |
| 21:41.03 | acollins | /dev/hdd is also gone |
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| 21:41.28 | acollins | valdyn: winner :-) |
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| 21:41.32 | acollins | that worked :-) |
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| 21:41.41 | NP_complete | acollins: Ets catala o valencia? |
| 21:41.47 | acollins | NP_complete: neither |
| 21:41.51 | puppet | takatumi: aha :) == credit is all needed :) |
| 21:41.52 | takatumi | takatumi: so theoretically if cdimage.debian.org is slow, you're better off getting the businesscard iso, since for installing the base you can select a mirror. |
| 21:41.52 | valdyn | acollins: echo ide-cd >> /etc/modules |
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| 21:42.07 | hehelol | ok ty for advice :> |
| 21:42.08 | acollins | valdyn: cool, any idea why that's changed? |
| 21:42.21 | valdyn | acollins: you did way more than you said, you isntalled udev |
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| 21:42.29 | acollins | oh |
| 21:42.31 | acollins | :-) |
| 21:42.37 | puppet | takatumi: talking with your self? :) |
| 21:42.41 | acollins | should I uninstall it? |
| 21:42.50 | takatumi | puppet: yeah, blah. |
| 21:42.55 | hehelol | it didnt re-install the file :/ |
| 21:42.56 | puppet | takatumi: ;o) |
| 21:42.58 | valdyn | acollins: no, it was required by something you installed explicitely |
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| 21:43.11 | takatumi | !puppet puppet |
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| 21:43.12 | acollins | valdyn: ok. well thanks again |
| 21:43.34 | takatumi | we need a puppet factoid. |
| 21:43.34 | valdyn | acollins: just echo >> ( see above ) to make it be loaded on next reboot |
| 21:43.42 | acollins | valdyn: will do |
| 21:43.45 | hehelol | it didnt replace the lost file |
| 21:43.55 | hehelol | :/ |
| 21:44.09 | NP_complete | Command:PASV |
| 21:44.10 | NP_complete | Response:227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,69,128,77). |
| 21:44.10 | NP_complete | Command:TYPE A |
| 21:44.10 | NP_complete | Response:200 Type set to A |
| 21:44.10 | NP_complete | Command:LIST |
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| 21:44.26 | acollins | valdyn: ah...gnome -> gnome-volume-manager -> udev ... |
| 21:44.40 | takatumi | acollins: hal as well. |
| 21:44.44 | puppet | np_complete: www.pastebin.ca |
| 21:44.49 | acollins | takatumi: yup |
| 21:44.49 | NP_complete | sorry |
| 21:44.55 | acollins | I see that too... |
| 21:45.02 | acollins | cool, thanks all |
| 21:45.11 | RootsLINUX | Has anyone here setup a mixed 64-bit/32-bit system successfully? I'm trying to compile an amd64 kernel but I'm having some trouble |
| 21:45.14 | NP_complete | takatumi: zumi kai |
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| 21:45.50 | RootsLINUX | Do I have to edit the kernel's makefile's CC option to say gcc mcpu=cpu-type ??? |
| 21:46.36 | nvz | hehelol: apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server |
| 21:46.44 | nvz | hehelol: I guess I told you the wrong package name |
| 21:46.45 | takatumi | RootsLINUX: tried #debian-amd64? |
| 21:46.52 | RootsLINUX | yes I have takatumi |
| 21:47.07 | RootsLINUX | Most of the people in there use pure64 bit systems, which I don't want (yet) |
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| 21:47.25 | takatumi | !tell RootsLINUX -about amd64 |
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| 21:47.39 | ells | what kernel is everyone running on debian |
| 21:47.46 | Ridley | hello folks |
| 21:47.47 | Soundzor | ells, 2.6.something |
| 21:47.51 | sussudio | !tell ells about polls |
| 21:47.53 | cyberdata | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or derectory .. pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:48.11 | ells | sussudio, what |
| 21:48.16 | Soundzor | When I look under the screensavers to choose--how do I get more? A lot are listed as not installed but are listed. I want them. Such as GLMatrix, etc? |
| 21:48.21 | ells | what source has the latest kernel |
| 21:48.42 | ells | I just installed debian and it does not appear to be the latest |
| 21:48.59 | sussudio | !latest |
| 21:48.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 21:49.05 | Ridley | oh, just about debian's kernel: does anyone know in which directory I should look for the config file? |
| 21:49.14 | sussudio | !faq |
| 21:49.14 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:49.20 | ells | dpkg, thanks |
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| 21:49.21 | dpkg | ells: de nada |
| 21:49.21 | dabreegster | How do I enable framebuffer console with a Rage 128 video card? |
| 21:49.23 | takatumi | Ridley: /boot/config-2.x.blah |
| 21:49.31 | Ridley | thanks a lot :D |
| 21:49.33 | dabreegster | modprobe fbacon says /dev/fb0 doesnt exist |
| 21:50.10 | sussudio | bacon? |
| 21:50.16 | Piggy | o_O |
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| 21:50.38 | ells | dpkg, what is the exact syntax for the source |
| 21:50.40 | dpkg | ells: what are you talking about? |
| 21:50.43 | Soundzor | Anyone, screen savers? ;( |
| 21:50.49 | dogmeat | hi im trying to install sarge on a sys, during partition disks, i have a partition /dev/hda1, and /dev/hda5 that i want to keep. i tried selecting 'guided partition', then 'manually edit partition table', but when i do that it takes me back to the 'partition disks' screen in a loop fashion. how do i get around this? |
| 21:50.54 | Soundzor | My new desktop must be pretty, this is urgent |
| 21:51.05 | ells | dpkg, when I do apt-get update, it says it is malformed |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | ells: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:51.10 | ells | dpkg, when I do apt-get update, it says it is malformed |
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| 21:51.28 | dabreegster | dogmeat: try pressing enter when the cursor is on a partion/drive |
| 21:51.37 | shakparl | Soundzor: lol i just xlock which is dated but just fine for servers |
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| 21:51.54 | azreal | ells: why are you talking to the bot? |
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| 21:52.15 | ells | azreal, i am trying to do apt-get udpate |
| 21:52.16 | takatumi | dogmeat: you need to set the mount point and the partition type. |
| 21:52.21 | ells | to update the kernel |
| 21:52.27 | ells | from a source |
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| 21:52.50 | Soundzor | shakparl, yeah, but I need a neat looking screensaver. Really I'm just curious how the list works. When I go to choose a new screensaver, there is a list of tons that I don't have installed but are listed. Any way to apt-get those down to me? |
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| 21:53.13 | azreal | ells: apt-get update; apt-get install kernel-source-* |
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| 21:53.26 | ells | dpkg -l foo |
| 21:53.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching foo |
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| 21:53.41 | takatumi | Soundzor: tried apt-cache search screensaver? |
| 21:54.00 | ells | azreal, okay |
| 21:54.03 | cyberdata | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or derectory .. pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:54.13 | ells | what is the latest source then |
| 21:54.28 | ells | kernel |
| 21:54.45 | tomb0y | under linux, how do i connect to a ssl-enabled ftp site that does not run on a standard port number ? |
| 21:54.47 | azreal | !kernel |
| 21:54.48 | Soundzor | takatumi, yeah I have actually, I don't think anything there is what I'm looking for--lemme look again |
| 21:54.51 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.2, snapshot: 2.6.11-bk8, 2.4: 2.4.29, prepatch: 2.4.30-pre3, snapshot: 2.4.30-pre3-bk1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac2, -mm patch: 2.6.11-mm3 |
| 21:54.58 | dogmeat | takatumi: problem is that i need to keep some devices (/dev/hda1, and /dev/hda5) listed in the partition, but its not showing those in the partition table at all |
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| 21:55.49 | takatumi | dogmeat: then don't save changes, revert back and try again. |
| 21:56.00 | puppet | takatumi: bah the sargeinstall doesnt work with firewire cd :(:(:( |
| 21:56.02 | fbhjr | \/win 3 |
| 21:56.35 | takatumi | puppet: hmm, usbstick? |
| 21:56.44 | puppet | dont have any :/ |
| 21:56.57 | takatumi | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:56.57 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 21:57.15 | puppet | lol |
| 21:57.38 | puppet | i dont have that eitehr ;P |
| 21:57.56 | takatumi | puppet: what OS do you have on that machine now? |
| 21:57.59 | RikClark | b00 & jim: Thanks for earlier with the hard disk problem, I've put the drive to one side, but now my PC is thrashing the hard disk like its desperate to write some data that was in a buffer when the machine crashed. How can I find such a buffer and release/purge the data. Hope that makes sense, thanks. |
| 21:58.04 | puppet | takatumi: windows |
| 21:58.35 | puppet | takatumi: netboot is maybe an option |
| 21:58.35 | puppet | takatumi: its a laptop |
| 21:58.35 | takatumi | puppet: no floppy either? |
| 21:58.35 | ells | dpkg, I am used to using ubuntu, it would automatically install the latest kernel. what is the exact syntax to use |
| 21:58.35 | dpkg | ells: what are you talking about? |
| 21:58.35 | puppet | takatumi: nope |
| 21:58.38 | puppet | takatumi: acer travelmate 380 |
| 21:58.38 | ells | ubuntu would do it for ya |
| 21:58.45 | superSSS | I get this error when trying to install eeyes : Package eeyes has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 21:58.49 | Ridley | takatumi: thanks a lot, you were right ;) |
| 21:58.55 | valdyn | !bot |
| 21:58.55 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:59.03 | takatumi | puppet: try booting off knoppix and install sarge with debootstrap |
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| 21:59.52 | puppet | < never used knoppix |
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| 22:00.34 | takatumi | puppet: or debootstrap off ubuntu as well. |
| 22:00.36 | Soundzor | Anyway I can be sure that the nvidia drivers I installed are working? I saw the nvidia splash screen when starting x, but the screensavers seem to run horribly :( |
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| 22:00.40 | azreal | < never had sex with a penguin |
| 22:00.45 | valdyn | superSSS: that means what it sais |
| 22:01.11 | fbhjr | how does one deal with non-fatal hd errors, ones that recur and recur and that fdisk cannot fix, such as the following: (only two lines) |
| 22:01.14 | fbhjr | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 22:01.16 | fbhjr | hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=60440128 |
| 22:01.17 | superSSS | valdyn: apt-cache show eeyes shows me the package..but why i cant install it? |
| 22:01.42 | puppet | Going afk now tho |
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| 22:01.43 | puppet | hackers on tv |
| 22:01.45 | puppet | ! ;:D |
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| 22:01.46 | uman | ok I was in here the other day |
| 22:01.47 | puppet | That movie rocks |
| 22:01.51 | luther | hello |
| 22:01.53 | puppet | or its "hackers 2" |
| 22:01.55 | uman | can anyone tell me why they think Debian rules? |
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| 22:01.56 | patrik_ | hello :) I'd need some assistance when it comes to getting a hp deskjet 5740 to work .. I followed the howto on hp's site tho .. and the driver and printer's even in cups and gets recognized but I can't print .. the job gets cleared immediately for no actual reason .. neither syslog nor dmesg helped |
| 22:01.58 | uman | I'm thinking of using i |
| 22:02.00 | uman | *it |
| 22:02.01 | patrik_ | any suggestions what could cause this? |
| 22:02.05 | uman | on a secondary computer |
| 22:02.06 | azreal | fbhjr: read the options in the ide driver section of the kernel, you will see something about that |
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| 22:02.08 | puppet | fixing it after film |
| 22:02.09 | superSSS | puppet: hackers is stupid movie, hackers2 is about mitnick |
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| 22:02.12 | takatumi | uman: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:02.13 | zoly_ | Hi, i would like to know if serge debian configure a kernel with the hardware that found or if that use a generic kernel.. |
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| 22:02.34 | uman | takatumi, is that a bot or something? It didn't answer me |
| 22:02.34 | puppet | supersss: aint it opposite? |
| 22:02.39 | uman | takatumi, or is it a real person |
| 22:02.44 | puppet | supersss: then its hackers on tv ;p its fun cause its sopid ;P |
| 22:02.51 | patrik_ | zoly_: it's usin a generic kernel in conjunction with an initrd |
| 22:02.51 | takatumi | !why debian |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 22:02.56 | puppet | and good music |
| 22:02.59 | puppet | cya later :) |
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| 22:03.10 | fbhjr | uncorrectable errir |
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| 22:03.26 | zoly_ | patrik, so it put the hardware it found before compiling the installation kernel? |
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| 22:03.36 | fbhjr | hdparm? |
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| 22:04.01 | patrik_ | zoly_: it doesnt compile the installation kernel |
| 22:04.04 | patrik_ | its a precompiled kernel |
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| 22:04.22 | dogmeat | takatumi: got it dropped to prompt and fdisk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 22:04.36 | patrik_ | modulized stuff .. the initrd image will make sure it'll load system specific stuff .. I am not that much into this myself, as I always build my own kernel tho |
| 22:04.38 | zoly_ | patrik, but if the installer found a nforce2 chipset for my computer, i'll need to recompile or all will be ok? |
| 22:04.45 | fbhjr | pat metheney |
| 22:04.53 | nvz | I can't help but wonder, why my synaptic is still broken (no toolbar icons)... I am using the secsup mirror, and I am fully up to date with sarge, and I just last week installed sarge on a HD from secsup for a friend, and his synaptic is fine. |
| 22:05.06 | Opiated | I believe there is some sort of a memory leak, I am using xfce4.2, debian sarge, 256mb ram, 866mhz cpu, last night when I went to bed, I had two apps open, and my total ram usage was 72mb, i just came back from work, approx. 18hours later, and my total ram usage was 196. |
| 22:05.06 | luther | hello rex516 |
| 22:05.08 | patrik_ | zoly_: it should work out of the box |
| 22:05.11 | Opiated | is this normal |
| 22:05.17 | zoly_ | patrik thanks ! |
| 22:05.22 | patrik_ | Opiated: yes it is |
| 22:05.24 | luther | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.26 | patrik_ | linux is caching your ram |
| 22:05.36 | takatumi | dogmeat: try again, I just did the exact thing you are trying, already had hda5 and hda1 and used the same ones for the install. |
| 22:05.36 | patrik_ | it seems as if it was in use, but actually it is not |
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| 22:05.51 | luther | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:06.01 | patrik_ | nobody's using a hp printer in here? |
| 22:06.03 | patrik_ | I am afraid |
| 22:06.03 | nvz | Opiated: unused ram is wasted ram. |
| 22:06.05 | Opiated | umm, top reports 230mb in use, and 25mb free |
| 22:06.13 | Opiated | but i have only xchat open |
| 22:06.18 | patrik_ | Opiated: this is because its cached |
| 22:06.25 | patrik_ | the ram's not in use, actually |
| 22:06.30 | Opiated | are you sure |
| 22:06.34 | patrik_ | ye |
| 22:06.39 | Opiated | im talking about physical memory, not swap |
| 22:06.44 | Opiated | are we talking about the same thing |
| 22:06.46 | zoly_ | patrik_ another question, installer install read-edid mdetect.. but not x-window system, so the installer remove read-edid after some second, when i will install x-window, apt will search in a file to see what read-edid found? |
| 22:06.52 | patrik_ | Opiated: yea |
| 22:07.03 | Opiated | hmm |
| 22:07.05 | patrik_ | I am using *nix for more than 6 years .. and that behavior is totally normal |
| 22:07.22 | fbhjr | hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=60440128 |
| 22:07.37 | patrik_ | zoly_: hmm I dont get your point!? |
| 22:07.40 | fbhjr | can't set flags on superblock |
| 22:07.46 | shakparl | vmstat 5 |
| 22:07.56 | patrik_ | Opiated: my sid uses about 800mb of ram |
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| 22:08.08 | patrik_ | and I only have some terminals open with mozilla while using gnome |
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| 22:08.12 | Opiated | so why does this happen |
| 22:08.21 | simon__ | i'm having trouble getting sound from some of my programs. modprobe esd returns FATAL : module esd not found. Does anyone know what might be going wrong? |
| 22:08.21 | patrik_ | linux will take the management of the ram |
| 22:08.21 | zoly_ | patrik_, i would like to install x-window system, read-edid will be installed to configure all thing? |
| 22:08.33 | patrik_ | I never heard of read-edid |
| 22:08.35 | Opiated | that is a bit ambigious |
| 22:08.39 | Opiated | could you elaborate a bit |
| 22:08.40 | paulswm | Opiated: ram that isn't being used for processes is used for caching disk reads |
| 22:08.46 | Opiated | oh i see |
| 22:08.48 | patrik_ | Opiated: well its the way *nix will handle the ram management |
| 22:08.57 | Opiated | patrick, once again useless :/ |
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| 22:09.05 | Opiated | paulswm, that makes sense |
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| 22:09.06 | nvz | that really bugs me. I am going to try purging synaptic and reinstalling it |
| 22:09.06 | FieldySnuts | dumbass |
| 22:09.07 | patrik_ | Opiated: well who knows |
| 22:09.09 | patrik_ | blame linus |
| 22:09.10 | zoly_ | hey all, what is the metapacket for x-window system please |
| 22:09.14 | Opiated | no |
| 22:09.15 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :( |
| 22:09.24 | Opiated | blame you, you didn't tell me anything useful :) |
| 22:09.25 | patrik_ | x-window-system |
| 22:09.28 | zoly_ | thanks |
| 22:09.37 | patrik_ | Opiated: well I dont care about it |
| 22:09.40 | ysothoth | opiated - please be polite. if you need the details read the source code. |
| 22:09.41 | patrik_ | I just accept how it is |
| 22:09.50 | patrik_ | its not my task to question it, is it |
| 22:09.52 | paulswm | Opiated: As processes require more ram, Linux will give op ram from the cached disk reads |
| 22:09.52 | klokox1 | exit |
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| 22:10.02 | paulswm | s/op/up/ |
| 22:10.02 | puppet | i forgot how boring this movie was :/ |
| 22:10.09 | puppet | better do something usefull meanwhile i watch it |
| 22:10.10 | Opiated | I thought I was being polite, if you percieve me as being impolite, then that is your problem |
| 22:10.14 | Opiated | but anyway, thanks |
| 22:10.22 | FieldySnuts | @troll Opiated |
| 22:10.23 | Overand | Opiated: perception isn't 100% of the equation. |
| 22:10.31 | Opiated | bah |
| 22:10.46 | Opiated | I do not fit the definition of a troll |
| 22:10.53 | nvz | Opiated: thats what you call a bot whore, ignore it |
| 22:10.57 | Opiated | heh |
| 22:10.59 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 22:11.01 | puppet | what the bigg diff between knoppix and regular debian? really? :/ I have never looked on knoppix before |
| 22:11.17 | patrik_ | knoppix is a mixture of testing/sid |
| 22:11.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *nibbles* |
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| 22:11.21 | Opiated | knoppix is a live cd, while debian isn't? |
| 22:11.24 | shakparl | plus it's like on a cd |
| 22:11.24 | cyberdata | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep: No such file or derectory .. pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 22:11.27 | patrik_ | combined with KDE |
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| 22:11.32 | patrik_ | and a fully working system |
| 22:11.33 | RikClark | puppet: autocopletion is more complex in knoppix for one, that's something I missed a bit when I went to debian |
| 22:11.34 | Overand | puppet: ask in #knoppix. and they'll tell you to ask in #debian. who'll tell you to ask in #knoppix. =] |
| 22:11.46 | Overand | RikClark: what? |
| 22:11.47 | patrik_ | you can use it out of the box, e.g. as a rescue system or some sort like this |
| 22:11.47 | Savage | hey guys, can anyone tell me how i can find out which motherboard is in my debian box? |
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| 22:11.59 | Overand | Savage: start with lspci |
| 22:11.59 | xoz | cyberdata: forgot initrd command? |
| 22:12.00 | nvz | cyberdata: then a kernel panic, attempted to kill init right? |
| 22:12.01 | niemand_ | hello |
| 22:12.01 | puppet | overand: lol |
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| 22:12.08 | niemand_ | how do I make a vpn connection to a microsoft windows box? |
| 22:12.13 | niemand_ | what client do I use? |
| 22:12.13 | valdyn | patrik_: how are you trying to print? |
| 22:12.14 | Opiated | intall pciutils, and use lspci |
| 22:12.14 | Savage | overand: thanks |
| 22:12.16 | Overand | Savage: find the 'host bridge' |
| 22:12.20 | python_ | hi can anyone tell me a good wav to mp3 converter |
| 22:12.28 | Overand | python_: lame |
| 22:12.31 | cyberdata | xoz: i used an old initrd |
| 22:12.33 | valdyn | patrik_: ops, i forgot to scroll |
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| 22:12.36 | patrik_ | valdyn: well tried to pĆ¼rint the testpage out of cups + openoffice and I also tried to cut stuff to /dev/lp0 |
| 22:12.37 | azreal | RikClark: could it be zsh instead of bash then? |
| 22:12.37 | nvz | cyberdata: have you had your PC case open recently? changing drives? or maybe modified a bootloader? |
| 22:12.38 | puppet | overand: but if i install knoppix its really the same as debian apt-get and all? just more done? |
| 22:12.42 | cyberdata | nvz: yes kernel panic |
| 22:12.45 | Overand | python_: 'lame' is the name, i'm not calling you lame. |
| 22:12.49 | Overand | puppet: no |
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| 22:12.54 | ch | I've just installed kernel 2.9.9-9-amd64-k8, and it seems that /dev/psaux and /dev/pmouse are not present anymore. Any idea? |
| 22:12.55 | Overand | knoppix is not as 'sustainable' as debian |
| 22:12.56 | python_ | i figured so |
| 22:12.57 | python_ | :) |
| 22:13.00 | luther | FUNCULO BERLUSCONI |
| 22:13.00 | puppet | overand: damn ;p |
| 22:13.05 | Overand | you can't easily do an 'upgrade' on a knoppix system |
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| 22:13.07 | Overand | it can be done |
| 22:13.09 | nvz | cyberdata: my pc was doing that the other day, cause I accidentalyl plugged my root drive into the secondary IDE instead of the primary :P |
| 22:13.15 | Overand | but not without at least a little knowledge of the system |
| 22:13.20 | RikClark | azreal: maybe, I've never tried zsh |
| 22:13.23 | simon__ | i'm having trouble getting sound from some of my programs. modprobe esd returns FATAL : module esd not found. Does anyone know what might be going wrong? |
| 22:13.30 | luther | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.30 | valdyn | patrik_: cat stuff > /dev/lp0 does what? yield an error? |
| 22:13.39 | patrik_ | valdyn: nope |
| 22:13.41 | azreal | i have heard knoppix has there own series of files in /etc. they differ a lot form those in debians /etc |
| 22:13.42 | patrik_ | its just like an endless loop |
| 22:13.43 | xoz | simon__: enable esd |
| 22:13.53 | cyberdata | nvz: yes made new own kernel . do i have to make a new initd ? i used the old one from same kernel version |
| 22:13.53 | Savage | overand: it says: "00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530 Host (rev 03)" |
| 22:14.04 | xoz | cyberdata: very wrong |
| 22:14.05 | puppet | overand: i just want a wroking linux on my laptop so i have more fun with my wlan ;p |
| 22:14.06 | RikClark | azreal: no, it was bash, just with an uber-complex .bash_completion file |
| 22:14.07 | eflynn | simon__: there is no 'esd' kernel module |
| 22:14.07 | Savage | overand: is that usefull information? |
| 22:14.10 | ningo | !bugs |
| 22:14.10 | Overand | Savage: well you've got an SIS 53x chipset motherboard |
| 22:14.13 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 22:14.15 | patrik_ | the toolbox recognizes the printer without any problem .. but even in there I can't print the actual testpage |
| 22:14.15 | Overand | so... im sorry |
| 22:14.16 | valdyn | patrik_: depends on your printer if it will do anything at all, you may need to send a linefeed ( which i wouldnt know how to do ) |
| 22:14.17 | azreal | RikClark: zsh is <TAB> completeion madness, i think its too much, but some like it |
| 22:14.18 | Savage | overand: ok thanks! |
| 22:14.20 | Overand | is it a K6 or something? |
| 22:14.25 | nvz | cyberdata: thats not good. you should have disabled initrd support when you made your own kernel and not used initrd at all |
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| 22:14.34 | Ridley | after compiling small C programs at school, it's quite impressive to observ how much it takes to compile a kernel O.O |
| 22:14.45 | Savage | overand: yes it is, an old compaq presario :( |
| 22:14.49 | cyberdata | xoz: what should i make ? |
| 22:14.55 | ch | I've just installed kernel 2.9.9-9-amd64-k8, and it seems that /dev/psaux and /dev/pmouse are not present anymore. Any idea? |
| 22:14.56 | nvz | cyberdata: initrd is only used by debian kernels, to allow it to probe and load proper drivers for the ROOTFS and the controller its on. |
| 22:14.57 | patrik_ | well its a hp deskjet 5740 one of the new series |
| 22:15.03 | Overand | 2.9? |
| 22:15.08 | cyberdata | nvz: i also commented that line out of menu.lst |
| 22:15.10 | valdyn | patrik_: now on cups, you may be trying to use the bsd print system instead of cups, to use it you need apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 22:15.11 | paulswm | Ridley: if you install ccache, subsequent qompiles will go faster |
| 22:15.19 | Savage | overand: i would like to upgrade my harddisk, but i remember that it was only able to use drives up to 20 gig and i was looking if there's a way to flash the bios or something |
| 22:15.19 | Overand | holy crap, ch is a time traveller! |
| 22:15.22 | python_ | E: Package lame has no installation candidate |
| 22:15.22 | xoz | cyberdata: if you dont want initrd, make a kernel image that supports ide and your filesystem compiled static. |
| 22:15.25 | nvz | cyberdata: if you make a custome kernel, you compile *IN* the right drivers and take out initrd support and do not use initrd |
| 22:15.27 | patrik_ | valdyn: I already use cupsys-bsd |
| 22:15.31 | python_ | thats what its telling me |
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| 22:15.37 | Overand | Savage: i'd reccomend you just get a hard drive controller card |
| 22:15.44 | Overand | Savage: get a SATA controller card and a SATA drive. |
| 22:15.45 | Ridley | heh, thanks, but it doesn't matter :D |
| 22:15.51 | fbhjr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.59 | ysothoth | ch - ps2 support ws dropped from the 2.9 kernel in favor of neural interfaces |
| 22:16.00 | Ridley | I wont' compile a new kernel everyday (or I hope so :D) |
| 22:16.05 | cyberdata | nvz: i used the complete standard config and did some kernel patching |
| 22:16.08 | patrik_ | I tried several things aswell as searching on google + mailinglists without success at all |
| 22:16.10 | simon__ | xoz: enable esd gives bash: enable: esd: not a shell builtin |
| 22:16.10 | Savage | overand: oh and that will make me able to install a bigger HD without further problems? |
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| 22:16.16 | Overand | Savage: the SATA 300 gig drives these days are not very expensive. 16 meg cache 300 gig maxtor drives are somehwere around $200 |
| 22:16.19 | Overand | Savage: probably |
| 22:16.22 | Overand | however |
| 22:16.26 | cyberdata | nvz: so should i remake the kernel eith initd turned off ? |
| 22:16.27 | Ridley | anyway this channel really rocks |
| 22:16.27 | Overand | booting off of the controller card may or may not be possible |
| 22:16.30 | Overand | depending on your bios |
| 22:16.33 | nvz | cyberdata: oh well, sounds to me like you don't know how to compile or configure a kernel. thus should not be doing it |
| 22:16.46 | RikClark | azreal, I crashed horribly (overated) earlier. I lost a partition so I swapped out the hd for a slightly smaller one. I have constant hard disk noise like some buffer is desperate to save some info. I just wondered if there was a way to clear such a buffer? |
| 22:16.48 | Savage | overand: well that won't be a problem, it's just for file storage. |
| 22:16.50 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :D |
| 22:16.52 | Ridley | I hope to learn about linux soon, in order to stay here and help too |
| 22:16.53 | nvz | cyberdata: only if you know enough to build in your IDE and ROOTFS drivers |
| 22:16.56 | cyberdata | nvz: i do know but normally im working with gentoo |
| 22:16.58 | nvz | cyberdata: they cannot be modules |
| 22:17.00 | Overand | Savage: then you'll be all set. go for it =] |
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| 22:17.08 | RikClark | azreal: overheated! |
| 22:17.15 | cyberdata | nvz: with gentoo i dont get that problem |
| 22:17.25 | Savage | overand: but can a sata controller be installed on any mobo, even if it's from 1999? i thought you needed a special jumper or something for that? |
| 22:17.26 | xoz | simon__: install esound first |
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| 22:17.35 | cyberdata | nvz: i wanted to make a quick install on the laptop of a friend |
| 22:17.39 | Overand | Savage: you probably won't have any problems |
| 22:17.45 | Overand | as long as you're not trying to boot from it |
| 22:17.47 | Overand | however! |
| 22:17.51 | nvz | cyberdata: this isnt gentoo, you dont have to compile kernels |
| 22:17.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 22:17.53 | dabreegster | Is there any way to have a transparent-ish image as the background for the console or framebuffer console? (I'm not talking about xterms) |
| 22:17.53 | cyberdata | nvz: so i didnt spend that much time in cusomizing the kernel |
| 22:18.00 | Overand | i don'tk now what sata controllers are well supported in what kernels these days |
| 22:18.01 | simon__ | xoz: esound is already installed |
| 22:18.05 | ells | LIke I was asking before, what is the exact source I need to download the latest kernel thru aptget |
| 22:18.07 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Senses dulling your pain? ;) |
| 22:18.09 | shakparl | dabreegster: eterm? |
| 22:18.09 | Overand | can anyone else chime in there? |
| 22:18.19 | Overand | they're probably more or less all covered by now, right? |
| 22:18.22 | FieldySnuts | Phated: i don't have any pain, i was just eatin |
| 22:18.23 | xoz | simon__: esd & and check if the problem persists |
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| 22:18.24 | cyberdata | nvz: if i want to use a orinoco wlan card i have to patch kernle |
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| 22:18.47 | paulswm | simon__: esd isn't a module, see what xoz said above |
| 22:18.48 | patrik_ | valdyn any idea left? |
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| 22:18.56 | Savage | overand: ok thanks a lot for your time! now i can continue experimenting with debian :) |
| 22:18.56 | cyberdata | nvz: so what should i do ? |
| 22:18.59 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Eatin who? ;) |
| 22:19.01 | cafuego | Overand: the fairly cheap and crappy silicon iamge should be fine, as should a less crappy promise one. |
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| 22:19.06 | dabreegster | shakparl: not a term emulator or anything in X; on the console |
| 22:19.07 | cafuego | cyberdata: No, you don't. |
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| 22:19.23 | cyberdata | cafuego: what else ? |
| 22:19.27 | niemand_ | What vpnclients are there for windows? |
| 22:19.34 | nvz | we need more bugs like #279313.. heh |
| 22:19.44 | cafuego | cyberdata: nforce2/3, intel (but they don't come on pci extension cards) |
| 22:19.54 | superSSS | is it possible that eeyes is only available for woody? |
| 22:19.58 | simonrvn | niemand_: go ask ona windows channel |
| 22:20.00 | simon__ | xoz: esd & returns : esound already running or stale UNIX socket /tmp/.esd/socket |
| 22:20.02 | ells | LIke I was asking before, what is the exact source I need to download the latest kernel thru aptget |
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| 22:20.08 | valdyn | patrik_: not really, look at the logs in /var/log/cups/ to see if its cups itself having errors |
| 22:20.14 | cyberdata | cafuego: orinoco gold pcmcia |
| 22:20.18 | cafuego | cyberdata: You'll be able to get a promise somewhere, i'm sure. that should be fine. |
| 22:20.20 | patrik_ | hmm good idea |
| 22:20.30 | cafuego | cyberdata: they works with orinoco_cs |
| 22:20.43 | cyberdata | cafuego: but no monitor mode |
| 22:20.59 | bbenson | hey, im trying to run mozilla-thunderbird, got it installed but it is giving me a connection to ":0:0" refused by server |
| 22:21.07 | nvz | even after purge and reinstall my synaptic is still not working properly. this is insane.. my install is completly current with sarge form the secsup mirror, and I just installed a new sarge install for a friend from the _exact_ _same_ mirror, and his synaptic is working fine. |
| 22:21.07 | bbenson | im not running it sudo |
| 22:21.19 | bbenson | checked the config |
| 22:21.20 | cafuego | cyberdata: No, for *that* you need difference source. Don't patch it, just fetch the full 0.15 driver. |
| 22:21.23 | bbenson | nada |
| 22:21.37 | ysothoth | cyberdata: Compiling the kernel will not help. You need a new version of the driver. Download compile and install the driver. |
| 22:21.37 | puppet | have anyone here installed debian on a system with no floppy or cd, just an external CD player ( firewire ) |
| 22:21.42 | nvz | the toolbar bug is obviously fixed, because on my frineds new install I noticed many changes to synaptic, mine still looks the same. |
| 22:21.49 | RikClark | Can anyone please tell me how to find out why my hard disk is chugging away constantly please? |
| 22:21.53 | ysothoth | cyberdata: Try doing a google search some time |
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| 22:21.56 | ells | i installed via nework yesterday and my kernel does not appear to be current. Can anyone tell me the exact source i need in my source to download the latest kernel thru aptget |
| 22:22.03 | cafuego | cyberdata: http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz |
| 22:22.17 | cyberdata | ysototh: i did that and patching kernel should work |
| 22:22.21 | cafuego | cyberdata: Coipy all source files from there to the appropriate spot in your kernel tree, that'll do the trick. |
| 22:22.35 | paulswm | RikClark: If you are using a journalling filesystem like ext3, there are flushes every few seconds |
| 22:22.35 | cyberdata | cafuego: that is a kernel patch too |
| 22:22.39 | azreal | RikClark: do you have swap space, and if so how much ram do you have? |
| 22:22.41 | valdyn | ells: apt-cache search kernel-image | grep ^kernel-image |
| 22:22.55 | cafuego | cyberdata: no, that's not a kernel patch. it's a full driver source tree. |
| 22:22.58 | ells | okay |
| 22:23.08 | bbenson | puppet: you have to get the external firewire bootable in your bios |
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| 22:23.18 | cyberdata | cafuego: and then i get kernel panic at boot |
| 22:23.24 | cyberdata | cafuego: same problem |
| 22:23.33 | fbhjr | can't set flags on superblock |
| 22:23.56 | puppet | bhaal: thats is ok |
| 22:24.01 | fbhjr | my superblock is ailing |
| 22:24.07 | puppet | bhaal: the next thing is to get the firewire cd booted from the kernel i boot |
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| 22:24.13 | fbhjr | my disc is working |
| 22:24.19 | hippo | hi, should this memmxtest.bin in woody run when booted from floppy (or image=...) or is it really buggy? |
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| 22:24.20 | RikClark | 524 Mb RAM, ext3 for the root. Its 5 second on, fraction of a second off, continously. swap space not mounted, thanks |
| 22:24.23 | fbhjr | err partition |
| 22:24.32 | bbenson | "connection to ":0:0" refused by server" sound familiar? |
| 22:24.33 | ells | valdyn, ,thanks, but I do not understand. In ubuntu it provides the latest kernel in apt-get update automatically |
| 22:24.42 | Wanderer | I love RAID |
| 22:24.42 | fbhjr | partition /dev/hda4 has a recalcitrant superblock |
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| 22:24.46 | bbenson | and it isnt being run as root |
| 22:24.58 | fbhjr | how do I fix that? |
| 22:24.59 | azreal | RikClark: the drive could be failing. |
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| 22:25.06 | valdyn | ells: "uname -r", paste the output here |
| 22:25.08 | nvz | AHH!! MF!!! its not the config files either.. I give up |
| 22:25.09 | hippo | i'm getting something like: unexpected interrupt, iirc |
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| 22:25.26 | ells | valdyn, after the update? |
| 22:25.28 | puppet | ehh ill install redhat! |
| 22:25.28 | puppet | j/k |
| 22:25.29 | puppet | ;D |
| 22:25.45 | valdyn | ells: no, type "uname -r" in a shell now |
| 22:25.48 | cyberdata | cafuego: all tips from you bring me back to my kernel problem at boot . do you have any suggestions there ? |
| 22:25.51 | drac | puppet: and continue being puppet? :) |
| 22:25.55 | simonrvn | go right ahead, see if i care</BOFH hat> |
| 22:26.02 | cafuego | cyberdata: Fix the kernel config. |
| 22:26.04 | puppet | drac: lol |
| 22:26.06 | paulswm | !beat puppet for mentioning redhat |
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| 22:26.10 | paulswm | :D |
| 22:26.11 | mairu | what is the hard drive space that should be allocated to debian, on a machine which will be dual boot with windows? |
| 22:26.11 | puppet | hahaha |
| 22:26.18 | fbhjr | \this is right after a debian woody install and /dev/hda4 keeps whining |
| 22:26.23 | ells | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 22:26.27 | cafuego | mairu: 6Gb minimum for a decent workstation. |
| 22:26.30 | cyberdata | cafuego: i m even not sure if its a config problem |
| 22:26.37 | puppet | hmm i maybe have an idea |
| 22:26.41 | valdyn | ells: and this has nothing to do w/ ubunta vs debian directly, but more with the debian realese youre using not being a stable release |
| 22:26.42 | kenboo | is there deb package of anti grain geometry? |
| 22:26.42 | puppet | you know if sarge can mount an fat drive? |
| 22:26.45 | mairu | cafuego: can debian access NTFS? |
| 22:26.45 | cyberdata | cafuego:Could not load /lib/modules/ .../modules.dep |
| 22:26.47 | RikClark | the last drive failed (/dev/hdb1 needed recreating but it was too late) but the swap partition obviously got taken out in same way. I think I need to do a mknod for /dev/hda3 and reformat it as swap space so it can be mounted. Thanks for your help there. SERIOUSLY! :D |
| 22:26.53 | paulswm | puppet: yes |
| 22:27.02 | cafuego | cyberdata: That is not a kernel crash. |
| 22:27.02 | ells | valdyn, really |
| 22:27.12 | puppet | paulswm: then ill take the parrtion on laptop im gone use and reformats it to fat32 and puts files there ;p |
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| 22:27.26 | ells | valdyn, I just installed the latest kernel. I will reboot |
| 22:27.27 | mairu | soth`, can debian access NTFS? |
| 22:27.30 | mairu | so* |
| 22:27.41 | ells | mairu, yes |
| 22:27.49 | cyberdata | cafuego: so where is the config failure ? |
| 22:27.52 | valdyn | ells: alright |
| 22:27.54 | nvz | cafuego: his real problem is apperently with initrd, the error being "Kernel panic: attempted to kill init" |
| 22:28.00 | jetscreamer | i think the bsod screensaver is giving me one |
| 22:28.01 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 22:28.01 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 22:28.03 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | No, jetscreamer, you're not online any more. |
| 22:28.04 | RootsLINUX | I managed to royally screw up my locale settings by following an outdated guide for setting up foreign input methods, does anyone know how to set them back to defaults? |
| 22:28.05 | ells | valdyn, thanks for your help |
| 22:28.10 | nvz | cafuego: he used an initrd from a different kernel with his custom kernel |
| 22:28.13 | cafuego | nvz: Aha. |
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| 22:28.20 | RootsLINUX | I tried doing dpkg-reconfigure localeconf but things are still messed |
| 22:28.27 | cafuego | cyberdata: Configure you kernel to not need or use an initrd. |
| 22:28.44 | nvz | cafuego: you are probably the 3rd person to tell him this advice |
| 22:28.48 | jetscreamer | RootsLINUX, try dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:28.57 | cafuego | nvz: Oh, he's one of those? |
| 22:28.58 | jetscreamer | localeconf is a package |
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| 22:29.47 | nvz | cafuego: I told him already, that if he's making a custom kernel to compile in his drivers, and remove initrd support. He rants about how gentoo doesnt have this problem, and how he used the "default config" and just patched the kernel. |
| 22:30.06 | cafuego | nvz: Did you tell him to go run gentoo, then? |
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| 22:30.12 | nvz | cafuego: no :P |
| 22:30.13 | simon__ | xoz: I'm still having the same problem with sound despute esd saying its running : xmms is fine, as is gxine - as well as system sounds - however gnome volume control says there are no audio channels and i cant get sound from real player(through) among others |
| 22:30.15 | paulswm | Well he should go back to gentoo then |
| 22:30.15 | RootsLINUX | thanks jetscreamer |
| 22:30.36 | caphuso | ///lc |
| 22:30.39 | RikClark | mount: mount point none does not exist. hmm |
| 22:30.44 | caphuso | grr |
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| 22:31.21 | jetscreamer | RikClark, sounds like discover is managle.. err managing your mount points |
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| 22:31.24 | PDani | hi |
| 22:31.45 | RedPenguin | What on earth does this mean |
| 22:31.45 | RedPenguin | debug1: identity file /home/adam/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 |
| 22:31.45 | RedPenguin | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 22:31.51 | PDani | when will be the new xfce (4.2) in the unstable? |
| 22:31.56 | donius | hi all. new to debian, forgive me. running sarge. krnl 2.6.11. no sound for users. root sound OK. /dev/dsp is crw-rw----. user in grp audio. /dev/dsp is grp audio. any ideas? |
| 22:32.01 | RedPenguin | It pings out on exchanging keys? |
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| 22:32.11 | jetscreamer | adduser user audio |
| 22:32.11 | cafuego | PDani: When it's been packaged. |
| 22:32.22 | Lee__ | how would I get a list of files included in a package to print to stdout? |
| 22:32.26 | nvz | donius: there is no kernel 2.6.11 in sarge |
| 22:32.28 | RedPenguin | It is weird because it only does it if I use ssh my external IP |
| 22:32.34 | RedPenguin | Soemone else not on my IP just got in |
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| 22:32.40 | patrik_ | valdyn: heh working now .. cups moaned about missing esp gs so I installed the package and now it's working :) |
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| 22:32.59 | PDani | cafuego: afaik there are packages for debian... but they're not official yet |
| 22:33.00 | hippo | Lee__: dpkg -L ? |
| 22:33.15 | cyberdata | cafuego: but have initrd activated in my gentoo where i make kernels myself all the time no problems there |
| 22:33.30 | nvz | donius: so this could be where the problem starts.. you are leaving out details of what _debian-based_ distro you are in fact running... or what you did to break the system |
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| 22:33.44 | cafuego | PDani: Just be patient then. |
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| 22:33.57 | nvz | donius: if these other distros were in fact debian, they would just be called debian. |
| 22:34.05 | cafuego | cyberdata: Sorry, where did you get the idea I cared about gentoo? |
| 22:34.07 | jetscreamer | apt-file search <package|searchterm) |
| 22:34.14 | Lee__ | hippo: thx |
| 22:34.23 | valdyn | patrik_: nice!, mind telling me error message and logfile that was in? /msg if its long |
| 22:34.24 | PDani | cafuego: OK :) |
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| 22:34.38 | Sego | hey there, does anyone know where i can find a boot disk for booting from the cd? a generic one |
| 22:34.49 | PDani | bye |
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| 22:35.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.23 | donius | nvz: I installed sarge 2.6.(8?) recently. had cdr probs, installed krnl from source. (2.6.11). didn't know what else to call it. |
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| 22:35.36 | cyberdata | cafuego: where did you get the idea that deleting initrd support from kernel would solve the problem |
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| 22:36.02 | jetscreamer | cyberdata, if you compile the required modules in you don't need initrd |
| 22:36.08 | nvz | donius: ok well we are making progress on your issue then. you compiled your own kernel from source. this could be where the problem lies |
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| 22:36.10 | RikClark | jetscreamer: discover is installed. It seems to be a PCI rather than IDE thing though. I'll try...something... |
| 22:36.16 | Sego | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 22:36.19 | jetscreamer | i still leave the support stuff in |
| 22:36.20 | ells | I was told my release is not a stable version so the kernel wont auto update. how can i or can install a stable version of debian |
| 22:36.47 | dvs | ells: Kernels never auto update |
| 22:36.48 | puppet | this sucks :/ |
| 22:36.50 | pollywog | my HP printer stopped printing text but still prints graphics... any ideas on what might be wrong? |
| 22:36.51 | jetscreamer | RikClark, when i had that, discover was deleting my mount points. |
| 22:36.52 | superSSS | is it possible that eeyes is only available for woody? |
| 22:36.56 | nvz | donius: it would greatly help to add these details in your question, as well as what sound card you have, and if you are trying to use OSS or ALSA, as they are both available in 2.6 kernels |
| 22:36.57 | puppet | mount /dev/hda4 cdrom doesnt work |
| 22:36.59 | ells | dvs_ in ubuntu they do |
| 22:37.00 | donius | nvz: would root still have sound if krnl compile prob? |
| 22:37.02 | caphuso | superSSS: yes, it's possible |
| 22:37.05 | ells | apt-get update |
| 22:37.07 | simonrvn | you don't want your kernel "auto updating" |
| 22:37.13 | ells | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:37.19 | pollywog | I had to compile eeyes myself because it is an old package |
| 22:37.19 | nvz | donius: you still get sound as root, just not regular user? |
| 22:37.21 | cafuego | cyberdata: Your problem seems to eb caused by initrd, thus confisuign your kenrel properly (properly means NO initrd and with the drivers you NEED) would solvce your problem. Feel free to ignore my suggestions, but if you DO think you know better, don't ask for help. |
| 22:37.23 | donius | nvz: alsa and an ens1371 |
| 22:37.33 | donius | nvz: yes |
| 22:37.34 | jetscreamer | !info xeyes |
| 22:37.35 | pollywog | I think it is no longer in the distro |
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| 22:37.45 | mairu | wanna know what debian to use: woody or sarge? |
| 22:37.50 | simonrvn | @find eeyes |
| 22:37.54 | donius | nvz: but as posted users are grp audoi |
| 22:37.54 | pollywog | I mean eeyes not xeyes sorry |
| 22:37.56 | RikClark | jetscreamer: the crash deleted my mount point. I was wrong about the swap being the issue. I just didn't recognise the entry in mtab |
| 22:38.00 | hippo | mairu: woody |
| 22:38.00 | pollywog | electric eyes |
| 22:38.06 | mairu | hippo: why! |
| 22:38.06 | superSSS | pollywog: electric eyes |
| 22:38.06 | nvz | donius: well /dev/dsp is an OSS device, so that wouldnt work with ALSA anyhow unless you are also in fact using OSS emulation |
| 22:38.13 | simonrvn | oh, didn't enable that for _default... |
| 22:38.16 | shaggs | Anyone know if the Nvidia drivers have to be redone when switching from a geforce 2 to a geforce 5200 fx? |
| 22:38.23 | donius | nvz: ok |
| 22:38.26 | nvz | donius: perhaps this is your kernel problem, you didnt compile or load OSS emulation, like you had previously used |
| 22:38.27 | superSSS | pollywog: they dont update this piece of software any longer? |
| 22:38.30 | jetscreamer | !info tuxeyes |
| 22:38.35 | nvz | donius: /dev/dsp is the OSS device, alsa does not use it |
| 22:38.36 | dpkg | tuxeyes: (a fancy version of xeyes), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.0.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 1320 kB |
| 22:38.44 | hippo | mairu: 'coz you have to ask ? :) |
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| 22:39.03 | Paganist | nvz: what alsa uses instead ? |
| 22:39.04 | pollywog | shaggs I did not have to do anything to the drivers changing from one geforce to another |
| 22:39.05 | mairu | hippo: heh, is that the stable one? |
| 22:39.13 | shaggs | and also, if i put in a better mobo/processor, do i have to do anything to debian? |
| 22:39.23 | hippo | mairu: this time, yes |
| 22:39.31 | jetscreamer | anybody know where xp keeps the install key in the registry offhand? |
| 22:39.34 | pollywog | superSSS I think eeyes is no longer in Debian |
| 22:39.38 | mairu | hippo: ok ;-) |
| 22:39.46 | cafuego | jetscreamer: No, but there are useful little tools for changing it. |
| 22:39.47 | nvz | Paganist: I haven't a clue. I see alsa as another layer of obfustication. I have not yet had the need to understand it. my cards are supported by OSS, and all programs from the past 10 years work fine with OSS devices |
| 22:39.50 | pollywog | not since Woody |
| 22:40.09 | Paganist | nvz: okay, thanks |
| 22:40.10 | jetscreamer | alsa < oss | emu10k1 |
| 22:40.14 | cafuego | shaggs: Nope. |
| 22:40.19 | Paganist | What does alsa uses instead of /dev/dsp ? |
| 22:40.31 | cafuego | shaggs: They work fine when going from a geforce2 to an fx5700 too :-) |
| 22:40.31 | jetscreamer | asomething |
| 22:40.45 | nvz | Paganist: if you load ALSA's OSS Emulation Modules then it will in fact use /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer like OSS |
| 22:40.59 | dvs | Paganist: /dev/snd/* |
| 22:41.05 | hippo | Paganist: it can emulate /dev/dsp also |
| 22:41.13 | Paganist | okay |
| 22:41.14 | cafuego | shaggs: When you change mobo/processor you'll be fine if you have a precompiled kernel, but if you baked your own, you may need additional/difference drivers for the new mobo/chipset. |
| 22:41.16 | Paganist | thanks a lot |
| 22:41.30 | tazle | wonder why reportbug insists that my character set is us-ascii, even though I've set LC_CTYPE to fi_FI.iso88591 and fi_FI.iso88591 exists according to locale -a |
| 22:42.00 | pollywog | what is wrong with my CUPS setup if only graphics will print, no text? |
| 22:42.33 | nvz | cafuego: what makes you think people bake kernels, and not grill, or fry them ? |
| 22:42.43 | donius | nvz: ty for your help |
| 22:42.45 | nvz | or flame broil |
| 22:42.46 | paulswm | I steam mine |
| 22:42.47 | pollywog | frying is not healthy |
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| 22:42.52 | puppet | im starting to dislike 2.6 kernel :p |
| 22:42.57 | simonrvn | what's that new factoid with installit? |
| 22:42.57 | cafuego | nvz: You need to, if you poach them they won't run very well (or for long). |
| 22:43.01 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 22:43.05 | HighPingedLPB | I deep fat fry mine |
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| 22:43.07 | simonrvn | yah |
| 22:43.09 | Blissex | nvz: some people fry or grill them, and then they come here and complain of heavy digestion :-) |
| 22:43.12 | zoly_ | i use fluxbox i've installed firefox but when i try to launch firefox i got this error |
| 22:43.15 | nvz | paulswm: (: |
| 22:43.16 | zoly_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:43.18 | zoly_ | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 22:43.21 | zoly_ | (firefox-bin:2973): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:43.21 | cafuego | Having said that, a poached chicken fetus for breakfast sounds like a good idea |
| 22:43.36 | simonrvn | @installit is <reply>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 22:43.37 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 22:43.41 | hippo | any idea on that kernel message? : Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue (except it's led zeppelin :) |
| 22:43.50 | cyberdata | cafuego : i compiled it out and set up grub like ever. then i get vsf: cannot open root device .. please append a correct "root" boot option. kernel panic vfs: unable to mount root fs ... |
| 22:44.05 | donius | night all. |
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| 22:44.19 | pollywog | cyber did you forget initrd? |
| 22:44.37 | cyberdata | pollywog: i disabled initrd support |
| 22:44.44 | nvz | pollywog: he's beyond forgetting things. |
| 22:44.48 | cafuego | pollywog: don't bother, he knows better then anyone, has been told what to do 4 times now and keeps whining. |
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| 22:44.57 | Draal | The kernel 2.4 in the Sarge Debian installer does not detect my Centrino wireless connection. Is there a way to upgrade the kernel in the staller to 2.6 so I may be able to connect to apt? |
| 22:45.03 | cyberdata | nvz: make a good suggestion |
| 22:45.05 | pollywog | cyber when you did that did you put resierfs or ext3 or ext2 support in the kernel? |
| 22:45.11 | simonrvn | so let's all ignore him/her |
| 22:45.23 | cyberdata | pollywog: yes directly in kernel |
| 22:45.25 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: A poached chicken ovary. Most people don't like it if ther is a fetus. |
| 22:45.27 | dvs | Draal: For sarge? |
| 22:45.29 | puppet | "mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 /cdrom" < doesnt work :/ |
| 22:45.29 | Draal | Yes |
| 22:45.39 | Draal | *installer |
| 22:45.40 | dvs | Draal: At the boot prompt, use "linux26" |
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| 22:45.41 | pollywog | cyber does your system have scsi? |
| 22:45.48 | nvz | cyberdata: you have essentially two choices, build a kernel that is properly configured and loose initrd, or use a precompiled kernel, and install the headers, and build your propriatary driver from the headers package |
| 22:45.52 | cyberdata | pollywog: no |
| 22:45.53 | De_Mon | poached chicken ovary? sounds tasty |
| 22:45.56 | pollywog | k |
| 22:46.02 | Draal | DVS: Is that kernel in on the netinstall CD? |
| 22:46.04 | nvz | cyberdata: everyone is going to reach this same conclusion, except apperently you. |
| 22:46.08 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: poached? someone stole it? :P |
| 22:46.09 | Draal | DVS: The min. 100 meg version. |
| 22:46.10 | dvs | Draal: yes |
| 22:46.20 | xoz | cyberdata: compiling your own kernel means you know the ins and outs of kernel compilation. you've been told that initrd should be created and enabled. if gentoo works differently, debian is not equal to gentoo. do the debian's way, not the gentoo's way if you are in debian. |
| 22:46.59 | cyberdata | xoz: you say i should make it with initrd . the other say without |
| 22:47.13 | pollywog | cyber using initrd is easier |
| 22:47.25 | simonrvn | MAKE IT HOWEVER YOU FUCKING WANT |
| 22:47.31 | Draal | Anyone happen to know if I will have problems with connecting to my wireless connection if I use XFCE? |
| 22:47.39 | cafuego | simonrvn: but, but but...! |
| 22:47.44 | nvz | just do it right, and make it work, and go away /mode #debian +WNBT |
| 22:47.46 | dvs | no buts! |
| 22:47.48 | valdyn | Draal: that is unrelated to xfce |
| 22:47.58 | Draal | so its the kernel and program support? |
| 22:47.59 | pollywog | but I thought you had disabled initrd and if you do you have to put all the drivers the machine needs to boot into the kernel |
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| 22:48.03 | paulswm | !prize simonrvn |
| 22:48.09 | xoz | cyberdata: without, i told you also what to do. with initrd, i told you also but you keep on insisting gentoo's way |
| 22:48.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: none of my business what you do with your butt |
| 22:48.18 | valdyn | Draal: yes |
| 22:48.24 | cafuego | simonrvn: Count the 't's |
| 22:48.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: ;) |
| 22:48.33 | cyberdata | fuck debian |
| 22:48.41 | valdyn | Draal: xfce might have applets or somesuch to monitor wireless, but thats it |
| 22:48.46 | De_Mon | cyberdata you have to die if you do that |
| 22:48.46 | pollywog | go to #gentoo |
| 22:48.50 | paulswm | You are all typeing pointlessly, let me remind you: <cyberdata> nvz: yes made new own kernel . do i have to make a new initd ? i used the old one from same kernel version |
| 22:48.50 | mairu | what does this mean: debian-30r4-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso ?? what's nonus? |
| 22:48.56 | sirio | non-us |
| 22:49.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 826] by debhelper |
| 22:49.07 | mairu | sirio: what's the difference? |
| 22:49.11 | simonrvn | cyberdata: bu-bye |
| 22:49.12 | Draal | Valdyn: Thanks |
| 22:49.15 | cafuego | I did just read canadians have a marihuana problem, but shessh... THAT is tragic... ;-) |
| 22:49.18 | valdyn | mairu: export restricted software, like crypto stuff |
| 22:49.29 | nvz | white shirts are apperently just to show off how much of a slob you can be.. I just dribbled a drop of blue powerade on my collar. |
| 22:49.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh, that it isn't legal yet |
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| 22:49.39 | sirio | between non-us and the rest: there are programs which are not allowed to be distributed inside us, so it's non-us stuff |
| 22:49.41 | nvz | this stuff only happens when you are wearing white clothes |
| 22:49.42 | mairu | valdyn: oh i see |
| 22:49.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: I read about the bit where 4 mounties got killed. |
| 22:49.54 | pollywog | so wear only dark colors? |
| 22:49.59 | simonrvn | nvz: drop something staining and brown like coffee? |
| 22:49.59 | valdyn | mairu: but that takes laws that existe din 2002 as measure, not what is now. |
| 22:50.03 | pollywog | just don't bake bread ;) |
| 22:50.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh |
| 22:50.12 | hippo | mairu: it contains sw, which you can use only in the free world |
| 22:50.15 | superSSS | can everyone make a debian package and submit it to the pool? |
| 22:50.16 | mairu | valdyn: 3.0 r4 is woody? |
| 22:50.26 | streuner | mairu: yep |
| 22:50.27 | nvz | simonrvn: some blue powerade, but it seems to leave a stain.. not as bad as coffee |
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| 22:50.29 | hippo | mairu: yes |
| 22:50.33 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: no. get a sponsor or become a dd |
| 22:50.39 | mairu | thanks :)) |
| 22:50.41 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: woops |
| 22:50.44 | cafuego | nvz: try blue curacao |
| 22:50.48 | simonrvn | superSSS: ^^^^ |
| 22:51.04 | nvz | cafuego: try what, try saying it? heh wtf.. |
| 22:51.15 | streuner | cafuego: causes headaches :-) |
| 22:51.21 | cafuego | nvz: No, spilling it on *anything* (wall paper is a favourite) |
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| 22:51.42 | nvz | cafuego: ah, google says its a sour liquer |
| 22:51.43 | superSSS | simonrvn: do you know where are the instructions for that? |
| 22:51.44 | cafuego | nvz: 'cure-a-sow' |
| 22:51.54 | shakparl | Ladybyte, slackware |
| 22:51.58 | shakparl | wups |
| 22:52.01 | simonrvn | superSSS: yes |
| 22:52.02 | shakparl | !slackware |
| 22:52.02 | dpkg | somebody said slackware was a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware |
| 22:52.08 | Draal | Is it possible to store programs installed on Linux in a different partition, as in one would do with windows, so everything remains installed if you are forced to reinstall the OS? |
| 22:52.23 | nvz | kyUr'@-so', -sou', kUr'- |
| 22:52.27 | nvz | heh |
| 22:52.43 | nvz | cafuego: thats definatly not a yinzer word. |
| 22:52.49 | De_Mon | Draal thats how most people do it. |
| 22:52.50 | cafuego | Draal: Typically you don't care about the applications, only the data and the config files. |
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| 22:53.00 | hippo | Draal: yes, in /usr/local for example in Debian |
| 22:53.13 | Draal | That is where the data and config files would be stored? |
| 22:53.17 | pollywog | yeah but there are apps like eeyes and it would be nice not to have to reinstall them |
| 22:53.21 | De_Mon | cafuego heh, I thought he was talking about reinstalling windows :P |
| 22:53.34 | Draal | Haha.. |
| 22:53.42 | Draal | Funny linux geek humor.. |
| 22:53.59 | pollywog | and there is CUPS, you don't want to break it |
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| 22:54.06 | cafuego | Draal: Basically, have a separate /home (that is usually where users keep their data) and backup /home and /etc |
| 22:54.12 | amahbod | how can i set up x11 forwarding in debian? |
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| 22:54.18 | amahbod | i tried editing sshd_config |
| 22:54.20 | amahbod | but to no avail |
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| 22:54.27 | Draal | So I can have a main root / and a /home that is on a different directory? |
| 22:54.45 | cafuego | Draal: And keep a list of which software is installed. reinstalling it on anew machine is trivial, it costs a bit of time, but no effort whatsoever. |
| 22:54.47 | dvs | Draal: A different partition |
| 22:54.54 | streuner | on a different partition, yes |
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| 22:54.57 | De_Mon | I break cups all the time fragile they are easy to break. |
| 22:55.02 | Draal | As long as the /home is on a different partition.. |
| 22:55.08 | Draal | I should be fine? |
| 22:55.10 | maher | De_Mon: use mugs instead |
| 22:55.11 | cafuego | Draal: or a different disk (or even a different computer). |
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| 22:55.25 | cafuego | Draal: my /home is on another box on the network. |
| 22:55.29 | Draal | Well.. Whatever. As long as the access point is different for the /home direct? |
| 22:55.35 | pollywog | I tried to glue CUPs together |
| 22:55.35 | cafuego | Draal: *nod* |
| 22:55.43 | amahbod | does anyone know how to set up x11 forwarding for ssh? |
| 22:55.48 | pollywog | works but only prints graphics no text |
| 22:55.53 | shakparl | amahbod: look at the sshd_config |
| 22:55.57 | Draal | And I won't need to edit anything? |
| 22:56.04 | shakparl | amahbod: if you use windows, you can use putty to do it very easily |
| 22:56.14 | amahbod | shakparl, i edited the line X11Forwarding |
| 22:56.24 | maher | amahbod: did you restart shhd |
| 22:56.24 | amahbod | shakparl, but it still doesnt work |
| 22:56.24 | cafuego | Draal: No, the installer will take care of things. Just make 3 partitioons when you set the system up. /, /home and swap. |
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| 22:56.34 | amahbod | maher, i did /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:56.43 | hippo | amahbod: vi /etc/ssd/sshd_conf ; /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:56.47 | maher | amahbod: did you do ssh -X |
| 22:56.48 | pollywog | amahbod, did you restart sshd? |
| 22:56.52 | streuner | cafuego: what's this for? (different box /home) |
| 22:56.53 | amahbod | yes |
| 22:57.01 | Draal | Alright.. Cafuego, thank you. |
| 22:57.05 | cafuego | streuner: $all machines |
| 22:57.15 | nvz | pollywog: 17:36 < amahbod> maher, i did /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:57.20 | cafuego | streuner: Just plonk /home on nfs (100Mbit) |
| 22:57.24 | maher | amahbod: you edited the sshd on the remote server not the local machine right? |
| 22:57.29 | amahbod | maher, yes. |
| 22:57.32 | cafuego | streuner: that way I have identical $RCFILES everywhere. |
| 22:57.46 | pollywog | yes nvz I was typing when he/she said that |
| 22:57.52 | mairu | I should be using an ext3 partition for debian, not ext2, right? |
| 22:57.53 | pollywog | I am a slow typist |
| 22:57.56 | simonrvn | nvz: i stare at the kbd when typing. |
| 22:57.57 | amahbod | maher, X11Forwarding yes |
| 22:58.04 | cafuego | mairu: Either is fine. |
| 22:58.04 | amahbod | maher, in the file |
| 22:58.11 | dogmeat | sarge isn't partitioning my drive correctly. im thinking about checking if my version of sarge is old, anyway what's the best way to get a debian installer? |
| 22:58.14 | maher | amahbod: what error do you get |
| 22:58.17 | nvz | pollywog: apt-get install tuxtype |
| 22:58.21 | mairu | cafuego: logical or primary? |
| 22:58.22 | jetscreamer | now i'm the most aggressive |
| 22:58.27 | amahbod | maher, (firefox-bin:7122): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:58.28 | streuner | jetscreamer: heh? |
| 22:58.29 | cafuego | mairu: ext3 will be less irritating after a crash, as it doesn't normally need to run fsck for 10 minutes. |
| 22:58.30 | pollywog | nvz thanks will do |
| 22:58.33 | nvz | simonrvn: you too, install tuxtype ffs |
| 22:58.43 | amahbod | maher, i also tried doing echo $DISPLAY and it was just empty |
| 22:58.45 | cafuego | mairu: Linux doesn't care about locigal/primary |
| 22:58.48 | simonrvn | no :p |
| 22:58.56 | puppet | hmm my idea didnt work |
| 22:58.58 | pollywog | now I need to fix CUPS printing though so I can do the typing |
| 22:58.58 | jetscreamer | nvz wrote the longest lines, averaging 93.2 letters per line. |
| 22:59.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I learned to type back in Middle school.. it was boring as all hell, but it works |
| 22:59.04 | cafuego | nvz: tuxtype is too biased towards english speakers. |
| 22:59.25 | Ridley | dudes, does anyone have a nice guide about upgrading a Kernel? I've got 2.6.8 (sarge's included one) and I'd like to try 2.6.11.2 |
| 22:59.28 | simonrvn | nvz: what's middle school? |
| 22:59.29 | pollywog | we did not have computers when I was in school |
| 22:59.31 | streuner | jetscreamer: oh dear, are you really care what are in debstats? :-) |
| 22:59.31 | nvz | jetscreamer: yeah I type a lot and you people dont even see the half of it.. a lot I filter out and keep in my own chat buffer |
| 22:59.35 | maher | amahbod: log out log in with ssh -Xv and see if it says anythign useful |
| 22:59.37 | cafuego | s/elabed/learned/ |
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| 23:00.06 | maher | nvz: you chat to yourself? |
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| 23:00.13 | amahbod | maher, nothing that i see |
| 23:00.20 | amahbod | maher, debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 23:00.20 | amahbod | debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 23:00.24 | nvz | simonrvn: In US we do "Grade School" for like 6 years or so, then go to "Middle School " or " Junior High" for about 3 years then High School, which is the only one that really counts |
| 23:00.28 | simonrvn | maher: you chat to yourself? |
| 23:00.37 | amahbod | maher, there is the problem |
| 23:00.41 | maher | simonrvn: no |
| 23:00.45 | pollywog | nvz none of them really count |
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| 23:00.50 | amahbod | maher, Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 23:00.55 | cafuego | amahbod: is xbase-clients installed on the remote box? |
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| 23:00.58 | simonrvn | maher: *grin* |
| 23:01.12 | amahbod | cafuego, no |
| 23:01.16 | amahbod | cafuego, necessary? |
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| 23:01.24 | cafuego | amahbod: Install that, should see you sorted. |
| 23:01.25 | simonrvn | nvz: aah, ok. in .qc we have elementary school, 1-6, then high school, 7-11. in most of .ca it's 7-13 (or 12) |
| 23:01.28 | amahbod | cafuego, :) |
| 23:01.32 | amahbod | cafuego, hopefully |
| 23:01.32 | nvz | maher: well I may respond ignorantly to what you just said, and press the down arrow, and irssi saves it in a buffer, and doesnt show it.. I do it for all sorts of things, not jsut stuff thats not polite. sometimes since I type so fast, I type responses ahead of time, and save em for later |
| 23:01.35 | cafuego | amahbod: yes, it contains stuff like xauth (afaik) |
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| 23:01.46 | simonrvn | nvz: though now they call them secondary school |
| 23:01.53 | cafuego | !find bin/xauth |
| 23:02.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xauth' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 23:02.08 | pollywog | then you have to unlearn when they told you in school |
| 23:02.16 | pollywog | much of it |
| 23:02.27 | nvz | maher: like I may inquire about someone's question, and have a response typed up in my buffer for either way they respond.. because I am usually lightyears ahead of most people in the typing and thinking dept |
| 23:02.44 | pollywog | nvz well good for you :) |
| 23:02.48 | cafuego | pollywog: Liar. newton was right all along, Einstein and Witten are frauds! |
| 23:03.04 | pollywog | Witten? |
| 23:03.08 | amahbod | cafuego, it worked, thanks |
| 23:03.14 | amahbod | maher, thanks for all of the help |
| 23:03.17 | maher | cafuego: you have some new info an the orbit of mercury? |
| 23:03.21 | cafuego | pollywog: more or less embplem of string theory |
| 23:03.26 | pollywog | oic |
| 23:03.31 | cafuego | maher: epicycles! |
| 23:03.40 | pollywog | I forgot that one |
| 23:03.49 | puppet | hmm i mounted a harddisk to /cdrom, but when i try to continue it says /cdrom/dists//Release No such directory |
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| 23:04.01 | Biovore | m-therory |
| 23:04.12 | cafuego | BRAAAANES!!! |
| 23:04.12 | pollywog | I think the string theorists are sefl-taught |
| 23:04.14 | nvz | last night I had probably 50 pages of things I would have said to that one moron, but I didnt bother, because he obviously wasnt understanding, that you cannot demand things of voluenteers, and was trying to turn it around to make me look like the ignorant one. |
| 23:04.15 | pollywog | self |
| 23:04.18 | puppet | anyone have a clue why sarge is evil? |
| 23:04.19 | fairway | for a php wizard script i need to give the web user writeable access to /tmp. how can I handle this? |
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| 23:04.30 | toresbe | puppet: it's just that way. |
| 23:04.34 | maher | nvz: relax |
| 23:04.39 | puppet | toresbe: just that way? |
| 23:04.41 | cafuego | fairway: If the web user can't write to /tmp, your system is broken. |
| 23:04.47 | puppet | toresbe: I cant continue due to it |
| 23:04.50 | Biovore | untill any off theses theroies actualy show something testable, there just bullshit.. |
| 23:04.55 | nvz | even after I pointed out he was a biggot, he still kept using "..people like you.." in statements |
| 23:05.11 | cafuego | nvz: People like you consider that bigotry? |
| 23:05.13 | fairway | cafuego: weird it's a default installation |
| 23:05.17 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 23:05.25 | eflynn | puppet: why is sarge evil? |
| 23:05.26 | cafuego | fairway: is apache running in a chroot at all? |
| 23:05.38 | nvz | maher: I am relaxed, I am half way out the door.. just finishing up a thought |
| 23:05.41 | fairway | cafuego: apache2 |
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| 23:05.56 | cafuego | fairway: either way, same diff as far as php is concerned :-0 |
| 23:06.03 | lakcaj | Hi. Why do I feel like I'm going crazy trying to find the vlc media player? I just did a fresh install, and I don't remember having to add any repos to get vlc. |
| 23:06.11 | cafuego | fairway: Check whether safe_mode is enabled. |
| 23:06.16 | puppet | toresbe: got any idea why? |
| 23:06.20 | fairway | cafuego: k |
| 23:06.29 | lakcaj | I even went to apt-get.org, and added "deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main" as it says, and did an apt-get update, and I still can't find a vlc package. |
| 23:06.33 | streuner | lakcaj: apt-get install vlc? |
| 23:06.39 | nvz | This is one of the most relaxing things I do in my day-to-day life.. I am never stressful when I am chatting here. |
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| 23:06.43 | maher | lakcaj: apt-cache search vlc |
| 23:06.50 | lakcaj | E: Couldn't find package vlc |
| 23:06.52 | infodroid | lakcaj: maybe its a metapackage |
| 23:06.53 | streuner | !info vlc |
| 23:06.57 | cafuego | fairway: Ah! Check if upload_tmpdir exists. Just run a test with <?php phpinfo(); ?> to see what stuff isset to. |
| 23:06.58 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4819 kB, Installed size: 11708 kB |
| 23:07.11 | fairway | cafuego: is this a php switch? |
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| 23:07.16 | streuner | !info vlc sarge |
| 23:07.25 | lakcaj | maher, streuner: I'm sure all it took before was an "apt-get install vlc", but I'll look at info vlc... thanks. |
| 23:07.27 | nvz | if you people consider #debian to be more stressful than everyday life, then you either got it way too easy, or have communication problems. |
| 23:07.28 | lakcaj | !info vlc |
| 23:07.34 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4819 kB, Installed size: 11708 kB |
| 23:07.38 | war- | I have a file, /usr/bin/pftp, I type dpkg -l | grep pftp, it does not show, how do I see what package a file belogns to? |
| 23:07.38 | cafuego | fairway: php fucntion. echo "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" > test.php |
| 23:07.41 | streuner | lakcaj: vlc doesn't exist for sarge |
| 23:07.46 | cafuego | fairway: then access test.php via browser |
| 23:07.47 | maher | lakcaj: check your sources if it doesn't show up in apt-cache search |
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| 23:07.58 | streuner | lakcaj: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:07.59 | Draal | I just booted Linux 2.6 off the netinstall Sarge CD Debian Distro and it failed to detect my wireless card, instead it detected my regular modem and ethernet firewire (the latter which I don't have installed). Is there a way to manually configure the device so it looks for a connection? |
| 23:08.07 | pollywog | anyone here have rheumatoid arthritis and does coffeee affect it for you? |
| 23:08.10 | streuner | lakcaj: and use the package out of sid for sarge |
| 23:08.14 | nvz | I enjoy this, if I didnt, you wouldnt see me here so often. |
| 23:08.18 | simonrvn | war-: dpkg -S /path/to/file, or dlocate pftp |
| 23:08.22 | gilles | hi |
| 23:08.33 | war- | simon__: k thx. |
| 23:08.37 | pollywog | someone please help me fix my printing :) |
| 23:08.38 | fairway | upload_tmp_dirno value |
| 23:08.40 | fairway | there we go |
| 23:08.49 | maher | pollywog: what's wrong |
| 23:08.50 | lakcaj | streuner, thanks alot. |
| 23:08.58 | streuner | np |
| 23:09.02 | pollywog | I can print graphics but no more text |
| 23:09.02 | simonrvn | "a lot" |
| 23:09.05 | pollywog | CUPS |
| 23:09.07 | Draal | Anyone? |
| 23:09.10 | simonrvn | nvz: lates |
| 23:09.13 | fairway | cafuego: I may set this variable to /tmp |
| 23:09.26 | pollywog | nvz a big tree? big-a-tree ? |
| 23:09.29 | infodroid | pollywog: is that like RSI |
| 23:09.38 | cafuego | fairway: *nod* |
| 23:09.43 | gilles | I don't know what wrong did I do, but when I try to connect to my server with 192.168.0.1, it respond "You don't have permission to access / on this server.". What can I do ? |
| 23:09.51 | maher | pollywog: set log level to debug and stare at the logs |
| 23:09.53 | pollywog | CUPS? no I don't know what RSI is |
| 23:09.58 | cafuego | fairway: That's *usually* how scripts determine where to dump temporary stuff... |
| 23:10.01 | pollywog | maher: thanks |
| 23:10.27 | gridline | pollywog, Ar eyou missing some kind of text to ps converter like a2ps ? |
| 23:10.32 | cafuego | pollywog: I'm not that old quite yet, but I'll let you know... I drink enough coffee to have it have an effect (if there is one). |
| 23:10.43 | pollywog | gridline: that is what I think the problem is |
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| 23:11.05 | pollywog | cafuago: rheumatoid arthritis is not the kind old ppl get |
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| 23:11.14 | fairway | cafuego: right but it won't fix the problem |
| 23:11.17 | infodroid | Draal: why can't you set up the drivers after installation? |
| 23:11.18 | pollywog | cafuego: that is osteoarthritis |
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| 23:11.27 | cafuego | fairway: Hit it with a hammer |
| 23:11.32 | fairway | :D |
| 23:11.34 | Draal | Because I can't access apt-get |
| 23:11.45 | jetscreamer | Draal, why not |
| 23:11.59 | Draal | BECAUSE SARGE WON'T DETECT MY WIRELESS CARD |
| 23:12.01 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 23:12.20 | Draal | It detects my modem and some non-existant firewire ethernet. |
| 23:12.23 | trend | i am trying to change the resoultion in gnome.. and i get this error: "the x server does not support the xrandr extension. runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available".. I just installed sarge.. literally.. what do I need to do? |
| 23:12.26 | maher | Draal: don't you have a wired card in the box? |
| 23:12.28 | jetscreamer | Draal, quit screaming :).. yeah i scrolled up |
| 23:12.35 | pollywog | what confuses me is that emacsen is a depen\dency for a2ps |
| 23:12.35 | cafuego | Draal: What wireless card is it? |
| 23:12.39 | jetscreamer | Draal, what nic ^^ |
| 23:12.46 | Draal | heh.. Maher, yes I do. But Sarge won't detect it. |
| 23:12.49 | Draal | Centrino set. |
| 23:12.53 | Draal | Its a notebook. |
| 23:12.55 | cafuego | Draal: yeah, well. HAHAH! |
| 23:12.57 | pollywog | I did not have emacsen installed before and printing worked |
| 23:13.02 | Draal | Ubuntu has no problem detecting it.. |
| 23:13.11 | cafuego | Draal: You need external (possibly non-free) drivers for that. |
| 23:13.11 | Draal | It even downloads the packages |
| 23:13.24 | Draal | But Ubuntu detects it, and downloads over it. |
| 23:13.25 | infodroid | Draal: what kernel did you load into |
| 23:13.27 | maher | Draal: try the wired card before the wireless one - it will probably be easier to get it to work |
| 23:13.35 | Draal | 2.6 |
| 23:13.40 | puppet | woot i got it to work moved dirs from sarge/ to dists dir |
| 23:13.43 | cafuego | Those would indeed ben bundled in ubuntu. Bot if theyr'e not GPL they won't be in debian. |
| 23:13.53 | pollywog | what other text to ps converters are there? |
| 23:14.03 | gridline | Is ther a special channel or Alioth? |
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| 23:14.09 | jetscreamer | pollywog, apt-cache search <searchterm> |
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| 23:14.09 | Draal | Maher - I really don't want to install a full distro over dialup.. And I'll need wireless afterwards anyway. |
| 23:14.13 | Draal | So it needs to detect it. |
| 23:14.21 | gridline | escript I think? |
| 23:14.28 | pollywog | enscript |
| 23:14.28 | cafuego | Draal: it's not going to detect it, as it has no drivers for it. |
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| 23:14.34 | maher | Draal: can you use the ubuntu cd as a live cd? |
| 23:14.35 | pollywog | I can try that one |
| 23:14.39 | infodroid | Draal: why can't you use a cd with packages on it? |
| 23:14.50 | cafuego | Draal: You need to install via wired, then compile a driver for the wireelss card. |
| 23:14.57 | pollywog | enscript is already installed |
| 23:15.09 | cafuego | Draal: ALternatively, just keep using ubunbtu. |
| 23:15.12 | Draal | Infodroid - I don't have acess to the full install CD set |
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| 23:15.28 | Draal | Cafuego - I would like access to the programs available under Debian. |
| 23:15.33 | gridline | pollywog, Sorry I have no clue about CUPS yet. |
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| 23:15.43 | pollywog | gridline: tnx |
| 23:15.47 | infodroid | Draal: i'm sure there's a cd set out there with packages on it |
| 23:15.49 | cafuego | Draal: I haven't noticed many missing after i enabled 'universe' . |
| 23:15.55 | maher | pollywog: did you set log level to debug in dups.conf? |
| 23:15.57 | puppet | nice to continue install by ssh ;D |
| 23:16.03 | streuner | cafuego: you like AMD's right? |
| 23:16.12 | pollywog | it worked until 2 days ago and I do not know what broke it I will change log level now |
| 23:16.24 | streuner | cafuego: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=78785&item=6747639263&rd=1 |
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| 23:16.31 | cafuego | streuner: I prefer them over Intel, yes. |
| 23:16.32 | muhoo | this is a new one. in 5 years of building linux kernels, never have i had a kernel dpkg fail with "unresolved symbols" |
| 23:16.44 | Draal | Infodroid - So with the full install, you don't think I'll have any problems? |
| 23:16.46 | airox | We are setting up a mailserver and the client wants pop3 (so no imap), it's for small number of people but has to be secure. Does anybody know a few pop3 servers and could recommend some ? |
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| 23:17.00 | Draal | Cafuego - I still prefer not to use a knock off of a distro... |
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| 23:17.12 | cafuego | streuner: That's a fair end for a duron. |
| 23:17.17 | muhoo | i did make-kpkg as i always do. i install it, and when i try to depmod it, unresolved symbols everywhere. |
| 23:17.22 | streuner | cafuego: hehe :-) |
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| 23:17.55 | cafuego | I note $SELLER didn't do that to his Athlon64 <heh> |
| 23:18.01 | muhoo | and in weird places. apm, every single crypto, and every single drivers/net |
| 23:18.02 | pollywog | is Xandros a Debian knockoff? |
| 23:18.10 | maher | Draal: instrall ubuntu onto a small partition and then debootstrap from ubuntu to install debian into another partition |
| 23:18.13 | cafuego | pooyep |
| 23:18.23 | cafuego | stupid tab |
| 23:18.26 | cafuego | pollywog: yes. |
| 23:18.32 | pollywog | oic |
| 23:18.33 | infodroid | Draal: what are you talking about, problems? |
| 23:18.52 | pollywog | because I was using it until a few weeks ago, Xandros that is |
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| 23:19.08 | cafuego | I consider Ubuntu to be less som since many debian developers package for ubuntu as well, i think of it more as a more up-to-date Sarge with a Gnome bias. |
| 23:19.14 | Draal | I prefer XFCE over GNome. |
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| 23:19.45 | gridline | Hmm, On kernels. How come if I run 2.6.8-10, take the config from /proc or /boot and make oldconfig I still get new questions? |
| 23:20.14 | cafuego | gridline: customised debian patches? |
| 23:20.16 | Draal | oops.. Mis about XFCE |
| 23:20.21 | gridline | none |
| 23:20.33 | puppet | reiserfs or ext3? |
| 23:20.33 | cafuego | gridline: in the debian kernel, I mean. |
| 23:20.34 | pollywog | the CUPS log shows no errors |
| 23:20.35 | Draal | Abiword wouldn't happen to be available for Debian, would it? |
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| 23:20.44 | gridline | I try and recompile the kernel i alreadu have as a baseline before experimenting |
| 23:20.47 | maher | pollywog: what version of debian |
| 23:20.48 | pollywog | Draal I think it is |
| 23:20.51 | cafuego | gridline: or maybe the differen between CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL |
| 23:20.53 | Phated | It is, actually. |
| 23:20.55 | pollywog | maher: Sarge |
| 23:20.58 | puppet | On a laptop then ext3 or resierfs? Long time ago i used it |
| 23:21.05 | Draal | How does one enable Universe with Ubuntu? |
| 23:21.16 | cafuego | pollywog: ext3 should be fine, just make sure you install lapto-mode. |
| 23:21.21 | maher | pollywog: paste the last chunk of the cups log in #flood |
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| 23:21.27 | cafuego | Draal: Simply add it to the end of a sources.list line. |
| 23:21.31 | airox | Draal: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:21.35 | pollywog | k |
| 23:21.37 | airox | Draal: Or use synaptich |
| 23:21.39 | airox | -h |
| 23:21.49 | cafuego | Draal: it's a bit more topical on #ubuntu though. |
| 23:22.04 | Draal | Ah.. Sorry. Just someone mentioned it here. |
| 23:22.08 | airox | :) |
| 23:22.13 | cafuego | Yes, I know. |
| 23:22.16 | cafuego | I did. |
| 23:22.29 | cafuego | Hoping I can save you alot of strife. |
| 23:23.18 | Draal | Ah.. Alright. |
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| 23:24.29 | pollywog | hplip would remove hpoj |
| 23:24.38 | maher | pollywog: that's ok |
| 23:24.43 | pollywog | oh? |
| 23:24.52 | pollywog | k I will try it |
| 23:24.52 | maher | pollywog: its new and improved |
| 23:24.55 | pollywog | k |
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| 23:25.39 | gridline | cafuego, changing CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL doesn't make a differnce |
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| 23:26.14 | cafuego | gridline: Did you copy the config from /boot to the kernel tree? |
| 23:26.20 | pollywog | will hplip allow my scanner to work? |
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| 23:26.35 | maher | pollywog: yes |
| 23:26.37 | pollywog | k |
| 23:26.58 | gridline | I tried that, now I copied from /proc/config.gz |
| 23:27.00 | Topclass | hi i am getting a error when doing a base system install on the install kernel part. does anyone have any clue in this area i can post a extract from the messages log in #flood if it would help?? |
| 23:27.39 | cafuego | gridline: That would appear to not have a full copy, then. |
| 23:27.51 | Draal | Kinda general question.. Why hasn't Linux moved away from the command line interface? I mean, Apple did when they decided to use BSD.. |
| 23:27.52 | simon__ | does anyone know why my gnome-volume control cant find any audio channels and i'm not getting sound on real player. esd is running, and i can use xmms fine? |
| 23:27.55 | gridline | the version from boot ha steh same problem |
| 23:27.58 | maher | Topclass: paste the error in floof |
| 23:28.05 | Draal | It seems to just be hurting the system, making it more of a mess for people to understand it. |
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| 23:28.26 | maher | Draal: why not use ubuntu? |
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| 23:28.53 | Draal | Maher - But even Ubuntu still heavily uses a command line.. Why not make a GUI around it, simplify the proccess? |
| 23:29.06 | Topclass | opps looks like a pasted too much in flood and got kicked :D |
| 23:29.12 | puppet | "Installing the debian base system" |
| 23:29.14 | puppet | roxxor |
| 23:29.17 | maher | Draal: i'm sure if you contributed some patches to do that they would be accepted |
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| 23:29.32 | tbx | anyone? regarding ipkungfu, how do I indicate a range of ports?, e.g. "ALLOWED_TCP_IN="21 22 6900-6969"", or something... what I am asking specifically is the syntax for a range of ports, as opposed to doing 6900 6901 6902 6903 .... 6999. |
| 23:29.42 | PerfDave | Draal: It's almost possible to use Debian without resorting to the CLI. IIRC the only thing I needed the CLI for was module-assistant to install the nVidia drivers. |
| 23:29.53 | cafuego | Draal: What does it need a CLI for? |
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| 23:30.10 | Draal | Apt-get |
| 23:30.15 | pollywog | CLI is indespensible for some things |
| 23:30.16 | Draal | Quickly editing files. |
| 23:30.17 | cafuego | Draal: Uh. synaptic. |
| 23:30.25 | Draal | Synaptic? |
| 23:30.25 | cafuego | Draal: Uh, bluefish |
| 23:30.37 | Draal | Still.. It is all a mess. |
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| 23:30.40 | cafuego | Draal: You run Ubuntu and don't know about synaptic? |
| 23:30.42 | findme | in #java |
| 23:30.43 | Draal | It isn't exactly user friendly. |
| 23:30.45 | PerfDave | Synaptic and kpackage are both GUI interfaces to apt. |
| 23:30.46 | Draal | No.. |
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| 23:31.03 | cafuego | Draal: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager |
| 23:31.04 | maher | Draal: ubuntu is designed for people like you - it also seems to support your hw - why not use it |
| 23:31.19 | Draal | That almost sounds like a slam, Maher. |
| 23:31.37 | cafuego | Draal: Thing is, the only OS that uses the CLI less is windows, and that's ONLY because the windows CLI is so terribly limited and crap. |
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| 23:31.46 | maher | Draal: its not my fault you're insecure |
| 23:31.51 | zervoxx | bittorrent didnt work for me |
| 23:32.02 | zervoxx | I could start it though |
| 23:32.08 | zervoxx | but after settting upp speed etc |
| 23:32.10 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/254671 |
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| 23:32.21 | gridline | Toplass hdk1 are you sure about k ? |
| 23:32.22 | cafuego | Draal: I have no issues woking without a CLI on Linux, but not without a GUI either.. as long as I have ONE of those at my disposal. |
| 23:32.24 | zervoxx | I get msg /usr/bin/python : bad interpreter |
| 23:32.27 | zOap | zervoxx, what's wrong with bittorrent? |
| 23:32.27 | jetscreamer | actually, kernels do seem to be auto-updated... not 2.6.9->2.6.10, but 2.6.10-1 to 2.6.10-2 |
| 23:32.28 | zervoxx | no such file or dir |
| 23:32.34 | Draal | Alright.. Alright.. |
| 23:32.40 | cafuego | jetscreamer: yes, they are. |
| 23:32.41 | Draal | I just didn't know of the available options. |
| 23:32.41 | jetscreamer | Draal, are you on the planet below hooked up to the big machine? |
| 23:33.05 | PerfDave | I need to find a decent GUI bittorrent client. |
| 23:33.10 | Draal | The Big Machine runs Solaris. |
| 23:33.22 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, i like bittornado myself |
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| 23:33.23 | simon__ | does anyone know why my gnome-volume control cant find any audio channels and i'm not getting sound on real player. esd is running, and i can use xmms |
| 23:33.25 | cafuego | Draal: Is that why it's so slow... |
| 23:33.26 | eflynn | Draal: isn't that Slowaris? |
| 23:33.38 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: It's crap for torrenting multiple things though. |
| 23:33.59 | leikh | my old mr lappy (with win98) said sayonara long time ago. i need to boot it with a floppy, so that i can cp some folders from it over nfs. is there a nice floppy for this? |
| 23:34.01 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: yes. but not 2.6.10 -> .11 for instance |
| 23:34.02 | jetscreamer | azureus is in sid nowadays PerfDave, but it's java based |
| 23:34.11 | Draal | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:34.11 | Draal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.11 | Draal | E: Broken packages |
| 23:34.15 | Draal | What does that mean? |
| 23:34.24 | jetscreamer | it's a console version of bittorrent |
| 23:34.24 | cafuego | Seems to be (by far) the fastest of the lot. |
| 23:34.31 | jetscreamer | err or sosmething like that |
| 23:34.40 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | well, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
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| 23:34.57 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Yes, "Sun java based" != "decent" ;) |
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| 23:35.30 | jetscreamer | install the ibm jre? :p |
| 23:35.32 | PerfDave | cafuego: I use btlaunchmanycurses on my headless server, but I'm investigating just which bits of Linux you can't do well with the CLI. |
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| 23:35.40 | cafuego | ANyone running GNome and willing to try something for me? |
| 23:35.45 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: I didn't think Azureus worked with anything other than Sun. |
| 23:35.50 | cafuego | PerfDave: Photo retouching |
| 23:35.51 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 23:35.59 | jetscreamer | i don't like azureus :/ |
| 23:36.08 | cafuego | PerfDave: that's a PITA with imagemagick ;-) |
| 23:36.08 | PerfDave | Sorry, I meant with the GUI :) |
| 23:36.10 | findme | cafuego, i have gnome running |
| 23:36.25 | PerfDave | cafuego: Bah, Perl and imagemagick could do it, I'm sure ;) |
| 23:36.26 | zervoxx | so how can I solves this |
| 23:36.26 | gridline | cafuego, Try what? |
| 23:36.28 | cafuego | findme: Can you add an idon to the panel and set it's name to '100 %' ? |
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| 23:36.41 | findme | cafuego, let me try |
| 23:36.42 | PerfDave | cafuego: We need cacagimp to go with cacaview ;) |
| 23:36.44 | jetscreamer | idon eh |
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| 23:36.59 | Phated | Heh. |
| 23:37.02 | zervoxx | bittorrent didnt work for me |
| 23:37.04 | zervoxx | I get msg /usr/bin/python : bad interpreter |
| 23:37.17 | jetscreamer | apt-get install bittornado zervoxx |
| 23:37.21 | cafuego | findme: ... then see if it shows the name as tooltip when you hover. For me it doesn't work if the name includes a '%' sign. |
| 23:37.42 | cafuego | PerfDave: Nah, bit of custom php/gd |
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| 23:37.54 | zervoxx | jetscreamer: its not even in the cache |
| 23:37.59 | cafuego | PerfDave: it's just that counting the pixels is a PITA on the cli ;-) |
| 23:38.00 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:38.04 | zervoxx | hmm how do I update my apt-get cache list now again? |
| 23:38.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get update |
| 23:38.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:38.24 | zOap | Je dois savoir si je venait, et si je venait, oł il disparaissait ? |
| 23:38.26 | jetscreamer | i think you need to |
| 23:38.29 | cafuego | !fr |
| 23:38.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:38.29 | zervoxx | what was the file to change to unstable? |
| 23:38.30 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 23:38.37 | cafuego | !lose jetscreamer |
| 23:38.38 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You Lose. |
| 23:38.40 | jetscreamer | !woody->sarge |
| 23:38.48 | jetscreamer | that aint french? |
| 23:38.50 | streuner | zervoxx: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:38.51 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/254671 any help appriciated |
| 23:38.55 | tbx | regarding ipkungfu, how do I indicate a range of ports?, e.g. "ALLOWED_TCP_IN="21 22 6900-6969"", or something... specifically, what is the syntax for a range of ports, as opposed to doing 6900 6901 6902 6903 .... 6999? |
| 23:39.14 | zervoxx | just tell me the name |
| 23:39.20 | findme | cafuego, your observation is right |
| 23:39.28 | streuner | zervoxx: read what i told you |
| 23:39.31 | jetscreamer | the name is sid or unstable |
| 23:39.34 | cafuego | findme: Awright. Bug report it is, then. |
| 23:39.34 | jetscreamer | take your pick |
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| 23:39.41 | staniel | hello |
| 23:39.45 | cafuego | Sounds like a format string vulnerability in the making. |
| 23:40.07 | zervoxx | jetscreamer: the name of the file which contains that |
| 23:40.14 | staniel | im having some problems with SAMBA+CUPS... whenever I send a job from my windows laptop to be printed over smb, it takes almost 10 minutes to transfer the job |
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| 23:40.28 | staniel | during tha time my CPU usage on the samba server goes way up |
| 23:40.33 | jetscreamer | gah.... i should make you find it like streuner said... |
| 23:40.40 | Draal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.43 | Draal | Why is that? |
| 23:40.46 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.57 | staniel | and also my network activity skyrockets as well |
| 23:41.19 | Phated | Yes, that's what happens when you send info over a network, network activity goes up. |
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| 23:41.46 | pureone | hehe |
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| 23:42.18 | jetscreamer | !info libenchant1 sarge |
| 23:42.21 | dpkg | libenchant1: (a wrapper library for various spell checker engines (library)), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.4+cvs.2004.08.10-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 23:42.34 | jetscreamer | !info libenchant1 woody |
| 23:42.44 | jetscreamer | it's not in woody |
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| 23:44.34 | Draal | Jet, I'm using Ubuntu |
| 23:44.43 | jetscreamer | Draal, ok bye |
| 23:44.45 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 23:44.51 | cafuego | findme: What gnome-panel version you running? |
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| 23:44.57 | Draal | Fine =P |
| 23:45.05 | chant | is anyone in here particularly familiar about security issues? |
| 23:45.11 | chant | I think I may have discovered a small one. |
| 23:46.15 | airox | chant: in a package or a application ? |
| 23:46.25 | chant | airox: an application |
| 23:46.37 | maher | chant: there is a debian security mailing list, or you can email them directly if it is secret |
| 23:46.47 | airox | Then you should contact the maker of the program. |
| 23:46.49 | jetscreamer | chant, you can also examine the bugreports |
| 23:46.55 | infodroid | !idiot |
| 23:46.56 | dpkg | I know you are, but what am I?, or someone who tries to use a Ubuntu package on Debian and calls it a dpkg issue when dependencies dont resolve |
| 23:46.58 | chant | I think: is the ability to grow a log file owned/written by root to an arbitrary size quickly and anonymously a vuln? |
| 23:47.24 | cafuego | chant: No, it's a known feature, thus you put /var on a seperate partition. |
| 23:47.25 | chant | i.e. fill up the log partition before hacking. |
| 23:47.29 | chant | ok. |
| 23:47.32 | chant | nevermind then. |
| 23:47.57 | cafuego | or leave it on /, if a hacker fills it up they'll not be able to get in due to disk full <heh> |
| 23:48.10 | maher | chant: most log files have that property :( |
| 23:48.17 | chant | ok. |
| 23:48.21 | chant | I thought most were rate-limited. |
| 23:48.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: heh |
| 23:48.26 | chant | or at least logged who was causing the problem. |
| 23:49.29 | cafuego | chant: What specifici log entries are we talking about? |
| 23:49.38 | chant | XFree86 |
| 23:49.43 | chant | the XFree86.0.log file |
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| 23:49.53 | chant | I can make it real big real fast real anonymously. |
| 23:49.55 | cafuego | chant: What is it full of? |
| 23:50.13 | c4_ | some with xorg? |
| 23:50.17 | chant | dunno about xorg. |
| 23:50.21 | chant | just the debian X package at least. |
| 23:50.25 | cafuego | chant: Normally you run X locally, so hacking would be trivial in that case anyway. |
| 23:50.32 | maher | chant: can you do it remotely if X is not listening on a tcp port? |
| 23:50.35 | chant | nope. |
| 23:50.37 | chant | just local |
| 23:50.47 | chant | local but it doesn't log who is filling it up. |
| 23:51.01 | cafuego | Seriously, ctrla-lt-del, boot up with init=/bin/sh, add rootkit, reboot, done. |
| 23:51.17 | chant | not physical |
| 23:51.19 | chant | local |
| 23:51.20 | chant | there is a difference. |
| 23:51.45 | cafuego | chant: You're sitting AT the machine running X, right? |
| 23:51.51 | chant | or ssh'd in |
| 23:52.00 | chant | you could do it via tcp too probably. |
| 23:52.06 | chant | if tcp was open for X. |
| 23:52.11 | c4_ | some with xorg and an ati board?? |
| 23:52.17 | cafuego | chant: Mind you, any machine with X is insecure anyways... |
| 23:52.32 | cafuego | Silly big suid apps... never a good idea. |
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| 23:52.45 | chant | :-/ |
| 23:52.46 | chant | ok. |
| 23:52.52 | chant | well, thanks for the reassurance. |
| 23:52.57 | chant | I just figured maybe it was a bug. |
| 23:53.02 | chant | I'll head off now :D |
| 23:53.09 | cafuego | chant: Nah, wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 23:53.19 | muhoo | oic. ok, nevermind. |
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| 23:53.39 | muhoo | depmod -F /boot/System-version vmlinuz-version. doh |
| 23:53.40 | chant | note to self: fill up log partitions before hax0ring a box :D |
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| 23:53.47 | simonrvn | @tell c4_ about xorg |
| 23:53.56 | alus | where's that page on DRI debugging? |
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| 23:53.57 | simonrvn | cafuego: read the art about "ON YOUR OWN" |
| 23:54.01 | simonrvn | cafuego: sorry |
| 23:54.05 | maher | chant: i thought rootkits were meant to fix the logs for you |
| 23:54.07 | simonrvn | c4_: read the art about "ON YOUR OWN" |
| 23:54.13 | chant | probably. |
| 23:54.20 | chant | yeah.. you're right. makes no sense. |
| 23:54.20 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.22 | cafuego | simonrvn: THERE's NO NEED TO RUB IT IN, MATE!!!!!! |
| 23:54.24 | chant | Me crazy! |
| 23:54.26 | c4_ | GGgrrr |
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| 23:55.00 | c4_ | simonrvn: yes, i forget that |
| 23:55.01 | cafuego | simonrvn: i just put my wife on a flight to Malaysia, got the place to myself for 4 days ;-) |
| 23:55.12 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:55.19 | c4_ | what's the past tense of forget? |
| 23:55.26 | cafuego | c4_: i forgot |
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| 23:55.42 | c4_ | well, so i've forgoten that |
| 23:55.49 | simonrvn | tt |
| 23:56.28 | cafuego | c4_: No, "i forgot it" rather than "I've forgotten that". |
| 23:56.35 | troubb | hi! anyone can help me with lmsensors? i have a via8237 motherboard with the sensor chip: w83627hf, i have all the modules needed on the kernel (2.6.10), but when i run "sensors" i gte this message: Either use the ddcmon driver instead of the eeprom driver, or run the decode-edid.pl script. i have run this script with no results, anyway, anyone knows where is the ddcmon driver? i can found it, thanks! |
| 23:56.47 | gridline | Hmm, if I make xconfig, load /config and save I don't get the new questions. I'm confused now. |
| 23:57.01 | gridline | .config |
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| 23:57.20 | troubb | gridline: is not in .config |
| 23:57.24 | troubb | i searched yet |
| 23:57.38 | cafuego | gridline: That's because 'oldconfig' SPECIFICALLY asks for stuff it doesn't have a solid Y/N for yet and ignores everything else. |
| 23:58.10 | gridline | and and xconfig just guesses? :| |
| 23:58.22 | infodroid | troubb: did you run /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 23:58.40 | cafuego | gridline: no, it assumes you know what you're doing. if you don't, you shouldn't be building a kernel. |
| 23:58.41 | troubb | yep |
| 23:58.45 | c4_ | cafuego: ok that guy with the short name vzx or something like that is write i don't know how to write |
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| 23:59.05 | troubb | i loaded all the modules it ask |
| 23:59.12 | infodroid | troubb: and you modprobed the modules you need, and everything is ok apart from the binary 'sensors'? |
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| 23:59.22 | gridline | lol, I'm trying to get to know what I'm doing. Oh and get a webcam to work |
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