| 00:00.03 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I think it was of course my problem, and needed everything statically, but... |
| 00:00.11 | citral | hahaha |
| 00:00.19 | jim | hexxeh: obsessiveness... that's a psychological term? |
| 00:00.36 | Guerin | i think they want to give me a w98 machine here... but I've convinced them to let me bring and plug in my laptop |
| 00:00.38 | WiFiTux | ok crap. |
| 00:00.49 | WiFiTux | khanman, thanks. |
| 00:01.03 | hexxeh | jim, it's an advanced form of torture for people scared of the letter S |
| 00:01.16 | citral | Guerin: don't ever let them evil you |
| 00:01.30 | Guerin | citral: fight teh pow3r!1 |
| 00:01.40 | WiFiTux | ok, let's see what tf |
| 00:01.44 | hexxeh | !!!!111one! |
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| 00:02.14 | Guerin | it's mostly because I already have Systems In Place on my own machine, and I don't want to have to try and reimplement them in korean windows |
| 00:02.19 | citral | even if w98 was probably their <italic>'"best"'</italic> version |
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| 00:02.31 | Guerin | since I can barely understand restaurant korean, let alone computer korean |
| 00:02.32 | jim | hexxeh: vga=ask is the way to determine what text modes the card could support... if it's not exhaustive, that's not a big problem... you have some rather than guessing |
| 00:02.34 | Attica | is there a way to kill processes? |
| 00:02.44 | citral | Attica: man kill |
| 00:02.46 | jim | Attica: man kill |
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| 00:02.59 | MarcinKra | Attica pkill name |
| 00:03.00 | cafuego | WHY THE HELL DOES THIS FUCKWIT HAVE AN HTML EMAIL TEMPLATE WITH @)) DAMN SPACER IMAGES!!!!! |
| 00:03.07 | jim | Attica: the "way" is to send the process a signal |
| 00:03.17 | Guerin | cafuego: your question contains its answer |
| 00:03.30 | MarcinKra | Attica use "top" |
| 00:03.36 | khanman | from a korean fortune cookie? |
| 00:03.37 | cafuego | Guerin: But why is he a fuckwit? |
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| 00:03.49 | Guerin | cafuego: this is a good question |
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| 00:04.22 | citral | why do people use html in mails, is also a very good question. |
| 00:04.32 | hexxeh | jim, text modes, but usually not resolutions. for people, say, with a TFT, you really want it to be aware of the exact number of picels you have, to avoid blur |
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| 00:04.52 | jim | hexxeh: sure, I'd go along with that |
| 00:05.04 | deucalion | hi! is dvd-burning with 2.6.9+ broken or is there a working solution for debian sarge? (using dvdrtools' dvdrecord as cdrecord never succeeds on 2.6.9-smp :-/ ) |
| 00:05.07 | hexxeh | *pixels |
| 00:05.26 | deucalion | (only burning dvd+/-RWs works atm with growisofs) |
| 00:05.40 | jim | the vga=ask thing is just for text modes anyways... it's not for determining pixel-unit display size |
| 00:06.18 | jim | if you use a frame buffer, that's also not matching with vga=ask as far as I know |
| 00:06.48 | RRT | can the mouse touchpad be configured to set taps as left clicks? |
| 00:06.56 | cafuego | citral: Add it to postfix header_checks |
| 00:07.13 | Guerin | citral: make it send a mreply warning hem that their computer is inected with a virus and they should contact their techsupport |
| 00:07.14 | cafuego | citral: make the MTA reject the maikl with '550 Retarded sender' |
| 00:07.17 | jim | citral: howbout only those outlook mails that are not purely plain text |
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| 00:07.25 | Guerin | ~75% chance you'll be right |
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| 00:07.28 | citral | cafuego: hahhaha |
| 00:07.35 | cafuego | jim: They don't exist. |
| 00:07.35 | naleo | excuse me, did I get +qd? |
| 00:07.41 | drini | I'm migrating from gentoo, is there any *simple* way to remove serices at start? for instance, to disable kdm at start, i'd do rc-update del xdm default, to start sshd at boot I'll do rc-update add sshd default |
| 00:07.46 | drini | and so on |
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| 00:07.52 | jim | naleo: evidently not :) |
| 00:07.55 | drini | is there a debian tool for hadling all the rc.* dirs in a simpler way? |
| 00:07.57 | freebird | hows the debian folks |
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| 00:07.59 | cafuego | drini: 'rcconf' |
| 00:07.59 | citral | cafuego: actually it needs to be fine tunee, not to reject mail from friends or so |
| 00:08.01 | freebird | when im installing |
| 00:08.07 | freebird | the package choices really confuse me |
| 00:08.07 | citral | s/tunee/tuned/ |
| 00:08.12 | cafuego | citral: Real friends don't use Outlook. |
| 00:08.15 | freebird | sometimes I cant even tab back out of it |
| 00:08.17 | Guerin | drini: rcconf, sysv-rc-conf, sysvconfig |
| 00:08.18 | naleo | jim: My other account got +q'd, so I came here from another box to see why |
| 00:08.20 | servoled | anyone know how to get an nvidia nforce mcp nic working in debian? |
| 00:08.28 | drini | thanks |
| 00:08.35 | Guerin | naleo: good way to get banned |
| 00:08.36 | jim | naleo: look at what your client did |
| 00:08.55 | jim | or remember what you did |
| 00:09.20 | naleo | jim: I'm not sure what it was, becuase I was using ircii on Knoppix (too lazy to start Xchat) and I'm not familiar with it |
| 00:09.32 | PerfDave | Are nforce NICs supported in Linux at all? |
| 00:09.40 | jim | (note, I didn't see, and I don't know... so you'll have to find out yourself) |
| 00:09.47 | pipeline | PerfDave: Some are, some aren't. |
| 00:09.48 | naleo | Guerin: I figure if I'm going to be +q'd or banned, I may as well know why |
| 00:09.56 | jim | naleo: is it still running? |
| 00:10.01 | Guerin | naleo: message the op |
| 00:10.04 | khanman | ops in here wouldnt ban a knoppix@ identd would they???? |
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| 00:10.13 | Guerin | no |
| 00:10.30 | Guerin | not unless they ask lots of stupid knoppix questions |
| 00:10.35 | naleo | jim: No, I quit it to use xchat because I found it awkward |
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| 00:10.37 | Guerin | which, in fairness, they usually |
| 00:10.39 | Guerin | do |
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| 00:10.40 | naleo | I'm in Knoppix to repartition |
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| 00:10.48 | naleo | so I can install debian |
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| 00:10.52 | FieldySnuts | khanman: i wish. |
| 00:10.58 | khanman | heh |
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| 00:11.07 | FieldySnuts | gerardo: huh? |
| 00:11.15 | jim | naleo: you -could- do the partitioning using the debian-installer partitioning widget |
| 00:11.18 | FieldySnuts | oh. mp3 script, as if we give a shit what you're listening to |
| 00:11.22 | jim | or not... your choice |
| 00:11.28 | servoled | perfdave: i have no idea, ive found a few pages through google with people claiming it works, but i have no idea how |
| 00:11.47 | PerfDave | servoled: It's always best to just get hardware that Linux supports. |
| 00:11.54 | reNegad3 | does oppenoffice have an equivelant of powerpoint ?? |
| 00:11.57 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 00:11.57 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
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| 00:12.02 | Guerin | reNegad3: yes |
| 00:12.06 | PerfDave | reNegad3: Yes |
| 00:12.08 | jim | reNegad3: use WimpyPoint! |
| 00:12.14 | Guerin | use html |
| 00:12.24 | reNegad3 | ok ta |
| 00:12.25 | servoled | perfdave: that isn't really an option at this point |
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| 00:12.36 | naleo | jim: I was also trying to figure out if my NIC is supported, which I kinda have to do before I can reboot with a netinstall CD |
| 00:12.48 | jim | what nic? |
| 00:12.52 | reNegad3 | Guerin, what would the name for it be?? |
| 00:12.53 | PerfDave | servoled: *shrug* Grab a real NIC and stick it in your system. |
| 00:12.57 | Guerin | naleo: check the redhat or mandrake hcl |
| 00:12.58 | jim | do you have a floppy drive? |
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| 00:12.59 | travisat | is my george foreman grill supported by debian? |
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| 00:13.08 | Guerin | reNegad3: I dunno, look around in some menus |
| 00:13.09 | Attica | ok im trying to install something, i got disconnecting during install and now when i try to do it it says could not lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 00:13.18 | reNegad3 | impress or template?? |
| 00:13.18 | jim | I'm considering getting a george foreman grill |
| 00:13.23 | naleo | Guerin: I know that Mandrake supports it...dunno about redhat |
| 00:13.25 | jim | they sound good |
| 00:13.29 | Guerin | Attica: kill the dpkg process which is using that file |
| 00:13.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart jim |
| 00:13.41 | Guerin | naleo: th kernel supports it, not any distro |
| 00:13.42 | hermy | is SELinux make a difference? |
| 00:13.47 | servoled | perfdave: and people wonder why others aren't abandoning windows for linux |
| 00:13.47 | khanman | damn...pgeneral is no longer in the sarge repository? wtf that game rocks |
| 00:13.53 | travisat | jim: I don't have one, I want one. for now I use my imaginary one |
| 00:13.53 | reNegad3 | I dont need power point, only the equivalant |
| 00:14.01 | Attica | Guerin how would i find this process? |
| 00:14.07 | Guerin | Attica: man ps |
| 00:14.08 | jim | reNegad3: wimpy point! |
| 00:14.18 | naleo | Guerin: The Broadcom BCM57XX driver isn't in the kernel. Some distros have the driver, most don't |
| 00:14.21 | reNegad3 | ok thanks jim |
| 00:14.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:14.28 | Guerin | you poor bastard |
| 00:14.29 | jim | look into openacs |
| 00:14.39 | jim | wimpypoint is part of that |
| 00:15.15 | KjetilK | anybody know if the OpenOffice DTDs are added to the XML Catalog, or if not, how I can add it? |
| 00:15.38 | Guerin | KjetilK: #openoffice.org |
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| 00:15.38 | naleo | Guerin: am I the poor bastard for having such an odd card? |
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| 00:15.49 | Guerin | naleo: NOT SUCH AN ODD ONE _ SUCH A SHIT ONE |
| 00:15.55 | Guerin | fucking capsurok |
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| 00:16.14 | khanman | ah...lgeneral...not pgeneral..whew |
| 00:16.16 | naleo | Guerin: The thing that matters to me is that I can plug an Ethernet cable into it and it will transfer data |
| 00:16.17 | WiFiTux | OK, found it. It's kind of "sandwiched" but is ok. 0F07... number six of the list 80x60... |
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| 00:16.22 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: are you drunk? |
| 00:16.30 | pipeline | Guerin: ctrl:nocaps |
| 00:16.31 | naleo | Guerin: only mandrake and FreeBSD can install with it |
| 00:16.46 | Guerin | naleo: it won't, unless you build a kernel with the driver support for it |
| 00:16.56 | WiFiTux | stupid thing I did with grub 1. Edit menu.lst and then run update-grub, which would remove the vga line. |
| 00:16.59 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: no, I'm using a foreign keyboard |
| 00:17.06 | naleo | Guerin: Somehow I don't think I can build a kernel for it in the middle of debian-installer |
| 00:17.14 | naleo | Guerin: does d-i have an hcl? |
| 00:17.17 | Guerin | naleo: no, you'd be wise to do that in advance |
| 00:17.18 | WiFiTux | khanman, ok, so ask I used the 0F07 one... now? :) |
| 00:17.22 | KjetilK | Guerin: OK, I'll drop by there |
| 00:17.33 | jim | Guerin/naleo: what card is this again? naleo: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 00:17.40 | Attica | is there a command to jsut reboot? |
| 00:17.49 | Guerin | Attica: reboot, strangely |
| 00:17.49 | jim | Attica: yes |
| 00:18.11 | khanman | WiFiTux, i use vga=794..i used something similar to 0F07 on my gentoo's grub install..but vga= works fine on my sarge install |
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| 00:18.21 | naleo | jim: I do have a floppy drive, and it's a Broadcom BCM5901 card served by the bcm57xx driver |
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| 00:18.35 | naleo | jim: are you thinking of a driver floppy? |
| 00:18.37 | WiFiTux | khanman, ok. |
| 00:18.51 | jim | naleo: yes, the driver floppy is called net-drivers |
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| 00:18.58 | mateos_ | #join mp3plus |
| 00:19.08 | mateos_ | join #mp3plus |
| 00:19.22 | jim | mateos_: / |
| 00:19.28 | bandito | join mp3plus# |
| 00:19.32 | shingouz | mateos_: go away please |
| 00:19.50 | jim | mateos_: /join #channel |
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| 00:20.06 | jim | mateos_: /join #channel |
| 00:20.10 | naleo | brb |
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| 00:20.52 | jim | mateos_: /help newusers |
| 00:20.54 | jim | too |
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| 00:22.19 | kortec | has anyone gotten ndiswrapper to work on sarge? |
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| 00:22.21 | ViNc3 | does any1 here has made a successfull debian install on a hp pavilion zd7000 laptop ? |
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| 00:22.39 | ViNc3 | :] |
| 00:22.39 | sussudio | !any1 |
| 00:22.39 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 00:22.59 | ViNc3 | someone ? |
| 00:23.03 | jim | ViNc3: got a floppy on it? |
| 00:23.03 | sussudio | !someone |
| 00:23.03 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:23.10 | WiFiTux | citral, re: green boot. I was told I would need to make an ANSI change on kprintf. But I have no clue. |
| 00:23.14 | ViNc3 | lol ok |
| 00:23.26 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 00:23.26 | dpkg | hmm... lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 00:23.40 | shingouz | !tell ViNc3 about laptop |
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| 00:23.56 | khanman | !corny script |
| 00:24.07 | citral | WiFiTux: ah, not worse recompiling |
| 00:24.07 | *** part/#debian KjetilK (~kjetil@ti100710a080-7632.bb.online.no) |
| 00:24.22 | jim | corny yes, but I like it too! |
| 00:24.26 | individuality | !freedom! |
| 00:24.27 | dpkg | [freedom] the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 00:24.33 | WiFiTux | hhmm stupid dpkg! lol is Laughing Out Load! |
| 00:24.36 | khanman | !MCSE |
| 00:24.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mcse is Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert. Must Consult Someone Else. Microsoft Certified System Engineer |
| 00:24.43 | khanman | that one i like ;) |
| 00:24.59 | jim | WiFiTux: Losers on ludes |
| 00:25.01 | bob2 | lord |
| 00:25.01 | WiFiTux | citral, well, do you know what I said, means? i dunno. |
| 00:25.05 | bob2 | it's not sunday anymore |
| 00:25.08 | bob2 | just so you all know |
| 00:25.11 | khanman | especially the Must Consult... |
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| 00:25.23 | individuality | !tolerance |
| 00:25.24 | MobyTurbo | bob2: it's still Sunday in America |
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| 00:25.43 | alive | !compost |
| 00:25.45 | citral | WiFiTux: kernel - printing -> kprintf, get it? |
| 00:25.46 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 00:25.46 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
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| 00:26.07 | WiFiTux | citral, no. But if you find out, let me know. :) |
| 00:26.11 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: it's ALWAYS sunday in america |
| 00:26.15 | cafuego | citral: printk |
| 00:26.18 | alive | !xult |
| 00:26.24 | khanman | bob2, um..NO |
| 00:26.30 | MobyTurbo | bob2: :-P |
| 00:26.33 | alive | !fortune |
| 00:26.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 00:26.33 | sion | Dear alive , this is my advice : |
| 00:26.34 | jim | bob2: and sunday drivers are the majority every day too |
| 00:26.44 | bob2 | khanman: um, yes. |
| 00:26.48 | cafuego | jim: only in queensland |
| 00:26.55 | bob2 | khanman: if you don't know what "sunday" means in this context, be quiet |
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| 00:27.13 | cafuego | bob2: MEOW! ;-) |
| 00:27.14 | MrMeee | I'm trying to install debian with netinstall sarge verion, i get this error, no volume groups found |
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| 00:27.34 | clcont | so when is sarge gonna be released? |
| 00:27.38 | cafuego | clcont: yes |
| 00:27.39 | jim | MrMeee: you didn't finish configuting lvm |
| 00:27.39 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 00:27.47 | bob2 | clcont: /topic |
| 00:27.51 | WiFiTux | clcont, never |
| 00:27.59 | FieldySnuts | 2009 |
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| 00:28.03 | cafuego | clcont: it was released over 2 weeks ago. |
| 00:28.05 | MrMeee | i let debian auto config |
| 00:28.07 | clcont | lol |
| 00:28.10 | FieldySnuts | or whatever i put in polls |
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| 00:28.21 | clcont | how come its not on teh front page? |
| 00:28.27 | clcont | :-D |
| 00:28.27 | bob2 | TEH |
| 00:28.29 | cafuego | clcont: We don't like to brag. |
| 00:28.32 | clcont | lol |
| 00:28.33 | jim | MrMeee: did you say "use lvm" or know what that means? |
| 00:28.51 | MrMeee | logical volume manger |
| 00:28.53 | FieldySnuts | silly trolls. release canidates are for kids! |
| 00:29.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 815] by debhelper |
| 00:29.10 | jim | canned dates? |
| 00:29.26 | cafuego | jim: sticky date pudding |
| 00:29.30 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 00:29.31 | bob2 | yum |
| 00:29.36 | bob2 | wish I had that for breakfast |
| 00:29.42 | cafuego | VERY nice recipe, in fact |
| 00:29.44 | bob2 | or anything aside from toast |
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| 00:30.07 | alive | can anyone recommnad keyboard friendly window manager and GUI library? |
| 00:30.08 | Biovore | lol |
| 00:30.13 | citral | cafuego: using regexp, is /^Received: from *.tw/ REJECT a valid header_checks rule? |
| 00:30.14 | jim | canna anna korna |
| 00:30.19 | bob2 | alive: metacity is Good Enough, mostly |
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| 00:30.53 | clcont | wow |
| 00:30.56 | pipeline | alive: mwm and GTK |
| 00:30.59 | cafuego | citral: /^Received:.*\.tw/ REJECT Message rejected: Invalid geograpy |
| 00:31.01 | clcont | this lotion costed $9 for 8 ounces |
| 00:31.29 | cafuego | clcont: The past tense of cost is cost |
| 00:31.34 | citral | yeah ok |
| 00:31.40 | clcont | i know |
| 00:31.46 | FieldySnuts | !irritate clcont |
| 00:31.50 | FieldySnuts | beh |
| 00:31.51 | bob2 | cafuego: harsh rule there |
| 00:31.53 | clcont | lol |
| 00:31.55 | jim | so why is the past tense of acost acosted? |
| 00:32.07 | alive | pipeline: with GTK, keyboard use is still optionall.... I want something I can use without my hand leaving keyboard.... |
| 00:32.13 | cafuego | jim: because acast was taken |
| 00:32.26 | travisat | jim: hmm maybe because they are DIFFERENT WORDS! |
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| 00:32.28 | jim | who took a cast? |
| 00:32.38 | jim | words? |
| 00:32.43 | jim | differetn? |
| 00:32.43 | pipeline | alive: I have no idea what you're talking about. GTK provides full keyboard support to the developer in a portable fashion. |
| 00:32.44 | cafuego | bob2: beats /^Received/ REJECT Message rejected: Fuck off |
| 00:32.46 | Biovore | QT |
| 00:32.54 | bob2 | haha |
| 00:33.00 | shingouz | jim: maybe castor took it? :p |
| 00:33.10 | jim | oily! |
| 00:33.18 | shingouz | pollux |
| 00:33.23 | FieldySnuts | bollox |
| 00:33.29 | shingouz | that too.... |
| 00:33.32 | C8E | nite |
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| 00:34.01 | cafuego | bob2: Mind you, I once had a rather nasty phone call from an important client who got told "Go enlarge your penis somewhere else" by my server. Sadly, his uuencoded attachment contailed "vIAgra" |
| 00:34.11 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:34.33 | bob2 | hahah |
| 00:34.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Yuck, you don't know where that's been |
| 00:34.42 | individuality | :) |
| 00:34.53 | jim | "Let's go to this movie production company... you can do stuff in front of that camera, it'll be fun!" |
| 00:35.10 | WiFiTux | cafuego, just buy a trojan |
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| 00:35.26 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I don't need to buy those, epople email them to me for FREE |
| 00:35.29 | WiFiTux | mywifeis18? |
| 00:35.33 | WiFiTux | that is sick! |
| 00:35.37 | jim | 18 pounds? |
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| 00:35.40 | sussudio | stone? |
| 00:35.48 | travisat | what? |
| 00:35.50 | cafuego | MyWifeIs18: Did you explain to her it's illegal for her to be married to a 12-year old? |
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| 00:35.58 | vs_zach | hey |
| 00:36.01 | jim | 1800 pounds? |
| 00:36.06 | WiFiTux | cafuego, well, yeah, so you get started.. /me hides |
| 00:36.20 | osity | where is perl in debian? |
| 00:36.32 | jim | perl": where are you? |
| 00:36.33 | cafuego | osity: /usr/bin/perl |
| 00:36.40 | vs_zach | when i edit /etc/apt/sources.list it says that there is a malformed line 13 in source list |
| 00:36.40 | bandito | you'll have to ask The Oracle |
| 00:36.44 | osity | ya its not there |
| 00:36.48 | WiFiTux | MyWifeIs18yearsO, cut the nick changing thingie |
| 00:36.50 | cafuego | osity: Is it installed? |
| 00:36.58 | vs_zach | hello>? |
| 00:37.00 | jim | osity: apt-get install perl |
| 00:37.01 | sysdef | sry. i need a little help in english ;) how will 'cz' be written in englisch? "The czech Channel" or "The czechian Channel" ? |
| 00:37.01 | bandito | The Oracle may ask you to perform a task, in order to receive her words of knowledge |
| 00:37.03 | Jappis | "# whereis perl" |
| 00:37.06 | travisat | MyWifeIs18yearsO: thats not what she said |
| 00:37.09 | WiFiTux | osity, find / -iname perl |
| 00:37.12 | cafuego | sysdef: Czech |
| 00:37.13 | shingouz | vs_zach: you probably have an error on the line then |
| 00:37.34 | jim | Hey! jorge clinton was here! Give us the funk! |
| 00:37.52 | cafuego | jim: Are you zippy the pinhead? |
| 00:38.02 | Jappis | it seems that no one uses "whereis" =\ |
| 00:38.07 | jim | do you REALLY want to KNOW? |
| 00:38.09 | osity | ooops im actually on mandrake |
| 00:38.11 | sysdef | cafuego: tnx ;) |
| 00:38.17 | cafuego | jim: never mind ;-) |
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| 00:38.33 | cafuego | Jappis: It's not needed if you know the answer already :-P |
| 00:38.35 | vs_zach | shing: how should it look? |
| 00:38.38 | osity | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.43 | vs_zach | deb source |
| 00:38.44 | osity | *user |
| 00:38.46 | bandito | 'which perl' |
| 00:38.47 | cafuego | osity: 'which perl' |
| 00:38.54 | vs_zach | deb <source> |
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| 00:38.58 | vs_zach | anything else? |
| 00:38.59 | sysdef | type perl |
| 00:39.08 | slocate | is it possible to us a non-US locale with a US keyboard? |
| 00:39.11 | freebird | HOW MANY FLOPPIES ARE NEEDED for the install now? I heard its liek 2 not 6 anymore for celereon 2600 emachine |
| 00:39.13 | Jappis | cafuego, yeah =) |
| 00:39.17 | jim | osity: why do you have that perl? build it yourslef? |
| 00:39.18 | cafuego | slocate: Of course |
| 00:39.20 | osity | what do you mean which perl |
| 00:39.21 | MyWifeIs18yearsO | where can I poke to find out if, say /dev/hdb is a cd-rom drive or not? (other than /var/log/syslog that is...) |
| 00:39.33 | shingouz | vs_zach: is that the first time you are going to use apt-get? |
| 00:39.43 | bandito | run that command, it will tell you where the perl binary is being run from |
| 00:39.58 | cafuego | MyWifeIs18yearsO: /proc/bus/ide/hdb/model or something |
| 00:39.59 | osity | run what command |
| 00:40.01 | jim | freebird: the installer is new (old one with 6 floppies was called "boot-floppies"; new one is called "debian-installer") |
| 00:40.02 | slocate | cafuego: how would you type the different characters |
| 00:40.05 | bandito | which perl |
| 00:40.08 | cafuego | osity: 'which perl' |
| 00:40.09 | bandito | that is the command |
| 00:40.12 | cafuego | osity: it's a command |
| 00:40.16 | shingouz | !tell vs_zach about apt-setup |
| 00:40.26 | citral | hmm actually I can do /^Received:.*\.tw/ REJECT fucking spammers but they will know I exist... there doesn't seem to be an option to reply host doesn't exist or something like that |
| 00:40.33 | cafuego | slocate: What does that have to do with the LOCALE? That's a keymap issue. |
| 00:40.35 | indes | hey -- I want to convert a slackware install to a debian install, HOWEVER, I don't have boot access to the machine, its network booted using rembo at my school... but I have my own install (slackware) -- whats the easiest way to debianize? un ar a dpkg .deb and install it manually then use it to install the rest of the base debs? |
| 00:40.48 | osity | haha ... sorry i though you were being silly .... |
| 00:40.50 | indes | the slackware install sucks, theres no ar even.. |
| 00:40.53 | slocate | cafuego: Oh |
| 00:40.59 | osity | so "which perl" is the command |
| 00:41.02 | slocate | cafuego: so when are locales used? |
| 00:41.03 | osity | ? |
| 00:41.08 | cafuego | citral: You can check the IANA database for IP ranges in Taiwan and firewall all of them... |
| 00:41.12 | jim | indes: if you don't have boot access, that would present a problem... |
| 00:41.16 | cafuego | slocate: For displaying stuff. |
| 00:41.29 | indes | jim, is there now way just to overwrite the base system on the rootfs? |
| 00:41.33 | indes | and reboot |
| 00:41.40 | indes | and pray |
| 00:41.41 | jim | osity: yes. see what happens when you hit enter on it |
| 00:41.41 | indes | lol.. |
| 00:41.52 | shingouz | i am getting a sense of a rube goldberg install here... |
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| 00:41.57 | jim | indes: there might be something like that |
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| 00:42.22 | indes | jim: I've looked into it, the only way I can see doing it is by doing a manual install on something like dpkg then using it to install the rest |
| 00:42.32 | indes | I want to be sure though that dpkg is SELF STANDING and that it doesn't depend on ar |
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| 00:42.37 | indes | which doesn't exist on that POS system. |
| 00:42.39 | jim | shingouz: driveless, ramless computer without keyboard, motherboard, cpu or power supply? |
| 00:42.53 | shingouz | jim: yea. ask dpkg about it |
| 00:42.54 | indes | without ar I dunno how it can extract the data from .debs, unless its built into the dpkg exec... |
| 00:42.54 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:43.08 | jim | indes: but it does depend on ar |
| 00:43.11 | cafuego | indes: just convert the debs to .tgz via alien first. |
| 00:43.23 | freebird | how many floppies does the debian installer sit on? |
| 00:43.26 | osity | jim: it says /usr/bin/perl |
| 00:43.27 | indes | cafuego, oohh safe idea.. |
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| 00:43.31 | cafuego | indes: And unpack the tgz's in / on the target system. |
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| 00:43.37 | jim | osity: so your perl IS there |
| 00:43.43 | indes | cafuego, it won't create slackware packages?? rofl.. |
| 00:43.49 | indes | yes, thanks good call |
| 00:43.54 | cafuego | indes: you MAY end up with some broken permissions, but I thinm there's a pkg to check for those. |
| 00:43.59 | indes | time to put find and alien to work thanks, |
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| 00:44.10 | jim | osity:: summary: the command told you where perl executable is |
| 00:44.11 | osity | but i sshed in and I went to that directory and it wasnt there.... |
| 00:44.23 | cafuego | osity: 'ls -al /usr/bin/perl' |
| 00:44.28 | jim | did you ssh in and run which perl? |
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| 00:44.44 | jim | nm. I gotta gop |
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| 00:44.56 | osity | thanks bud! |
| 00:45.17 | cafuego | Yay, only took 2 days for cpu-munch-o-rama |
| 00:45.17 | osity | do i have to run the perl? |
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| 00:47.24 | indes | cafuego, its 'lintian' |
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| 00:47.26 | indes | to test.. |
| 00:47.47 | indes | cafuego, thanks |
| 00:48.19 | transgress | once i rmmod a module how can i make it load again? |
| 00:48.38 | shingouz | transgress: modprobe or insmod |
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| 00:48.53 | cafuego | transgress: modprobe. not insmod. |
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| 00:49.09 | transgress | modprobe... that's what i thought |
| 00:49.24 | transgress | thanks |
| 00:49.53 | indes | find kicks soo much ass |
| 00:49.55 | jvw | indes: debtakeover? |
| 00:49.56 | indes | I want to hug its author |
| 00:50.01 | indes | jvw, yes |
| 00:50.24 | indes | jvw, a harsh one indeed, I was told it can't be done. I giggled at them. I told them if I had root, anything was possible. |
| 00:50.31 | indes | so I'll take no prisoners. |
| 00:50.41 | myren | uggg, i'm writing a program to automatically wrap a class with an identically feautred class |
| 00:50.45 | myren | it hurts |
| 00:50.47 | myren | a lot |
| 00:50.59 | indes | then why? |
| 00:51.01 | indes | lol |
| 00:51.18 | cafuego | use C, problem solved. |
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| 00:51.30 | myren | me? it uses function pointers so everything is reconfigurable at run time |
| 00:51.34 | indes | cafuego, he'll be casting structs or something then |
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| 00:51.51 | cafuego | indes: C has no classes as such, so it's can't be done, problem solved. |
| 00:52.01 | bob2 | gobject from glib. |
| 00:52.04 | bob2 | yes, it does hurt. |
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| 00:52.47 | Glad2BAlive | using python will releve that pain |
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| 00:53.14 | ali7281 | hey, when i scroll on tabs it doesn't go to the next tab but instead skips one and goes to the one after... is this the way it is supposed to be or something wrong w/ gnome? |
| 00:53.54 | indes | scrolling too fast? |
| 00:53.54 | indes | lol |
| 00:54.05 | ali7281 | no |
| 00:54.08 | osity | i am trying to install ebah ....anybody done this before? |
| 00:54.08 | ali7281 | seriously.... |
| 00:54.13 | ali7281 | lol |
| 00:55.04 | cafuego | ebah? |
| 00:55.20 | osity | eblah |
| 00:55.22 | osity | :) |
| 00:55.34 | osity | e-blah actually |
| 00:55.47 | Glad2BAlive | is that oss version of ebay software? |
| 00:55.55 | osity | nope ... |
| 00:56.03 | osity | its a forum ... |
| 00:56.04 | cafuego | Well, be more verbose. |
| 00:56.15 | osity | they want me to run it from rrot it seems |
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| 00:56.25 | osity | does that sound right |
| 00:56.37 | cafuego | osity: The installer? That's fairly normal for crap software. |
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| 00:57.00 | osity | what installer? |
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| 00:57.16 | cafuego | osity: For your e-blah |
| 00:57.21 | indes | cafuego, what do I pass to tar to extract these archives? |
| 00:57.23 | osity | what fairly normal> |
| 00:57.35 | indes | tar -xvf --same-owner |
| 00:57.40 | indes | how do I get them to extract to / ? |
| 00:58.18 | indes | or should I just move them there? lol |
| 00:58.26 | osity | what is fairly normal? |
| 00:58.35 | fflush | indes, -C / |
| 00:58.37 | cafuego | indes: cd / && tar xpfz foo.tgz |
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| 00:58.47 | indes | fflush, thats the stuff thx |
| 00:58.57 | cafuego | I don't think you want --same-owner in there |
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| 00:59.08 | indes | -C isn't.. |
| 00:59.13 | indes | cafuego, for basedebs?! |
| 00:59.21 | osity | cafuego ...do you usuallu run a forum from root? |
| 00:59.24 | indes | I guess its all gonna be root owned. |
| 00:59.46 | cafuego | indes: Keep the owner to whatever it was in the .deb |
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| 01:00.00 | cafuego | -p will keep the parms and ignore umask. |
| 01:00.25 | exobyte | how can I check if QoS is in my kernel? |
| 01:00.32 | indes | cafuego, so I want to, mv / && cd / && tar -xvfp file |
| 01:00.37 | indes | k thanks |
| 01:00.44 | cafuego | indes: No. |
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| 01:00.48 | indes | ? |
| 01:00.52 | cafuego | indes: What is 'mv /' supposed to do? |
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| 01:00.58 | indes | move the files to / |
| 01:00.59 | blue_ | how do you see what dns servers you connect to? |
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| 01:01.34 | cafuego | indes: for tarball in *.tgz; do tar -C / xpfz $tarball; done |
| 01:01.47 | cafuego | indes: That should extract all of them. |
| 01:01.58 | indes | cafuego, I'd pull a find . -name "*.tgz" -exec tar -C / xpfz '{}' \; |
| 01:02.00 | EvanCarroll | Does anyone know what this means: |
| 01:02.00 | cafuego | indes: to /, without changing permissions or owner. |
| 01:02.02 | indes | thanks |
| 01:02.04 | EvanCarroll | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hde |
| 01:02.11 | indes | cafuego, just what I need. ;-) |
| 01:02.21 | naleo | cafuego: f has to the the last one |
| 01:02.25 | EvanCarroll | and if it is possible to recover after that |
| 01:02.29 | blue_ | EvanCarroll: sounds bad :) |
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| 01:02.44 | EvanCarroll | blue_: yes it does, especially being the drive was on a raid array |
| 01:02.44 | naleo | indes: for i in *.tgz; do tar -xzpf $i; done |
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| 01:03.06 | cafuego | naleo: That's useless unless all tarballs are in / |
| 01:03.12 | mrhemlock | EvanCarroll, reboot and fsck the disk ASAP |
| 01:03.22 | naleo | cafuego: my bad, I forgot -C |
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| 01:03.29 | EvanCarroll | I get that when i try to fsck the drive though |
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| 01:03.33 | naleo | cafuego: but you did need to have f or --file last |
| 01:03.41 | indes | hehe |
| 01:03.44 | indes | naleo, I gots it |
| 01:04.03 | cafuego | naleo: Yes, see where I typed EXACTLY what you did, but with the inclusion of -C ? |
| 01:04.07 | blue_ | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 01:04.07 | blue_ | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 01:04.12 | nvz | I need some help with setting up a domain name. I've installed a new sarge system, and the router is not letting me outside the network, I believe because I did not specify the proper domain name. I need to know how to go back and set it. |
| 01:04.16 | mrhemlock | EvanCarroll, I don't know about raid |
| 01:04.38 | cafuego | nvz: echo 'search foo.com" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:04.53 | osity | cafuego: what did you say was common with crappy software |
| 01:05.08 | cafuego | osity: having to run installers as root. |
| 01:05.11 | MrMeee | need help partitioning in sarge netinstall |
| 01:05.17 | cafuego | osity: if it's a webforum, you DO NOT run it as root. |
| 01:05.17 | osity | oh |
| 01:05.21 | MrMeee | 4.3gb |
| 01:05.29 | osity | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | blue_ | anyone know how to view what dns servers you have set...? |
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| 01:05.40 | EvanCarroll | trying a shutdown |
| 01:05.44 | clcont | fellas |
| 01:05.51 | RichiH | blue_: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:06.01 | blue_ | thats |
| 01:06.04 | blue_ | thanks |
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| 01:06.27 | gach | hi fellows |
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| 01:06.39 | gach | i need helpo with full duplex on debian |
| 01:06.41 | gach | any ideas? |
| 01:06.48 | blue_ | hmmmmmmmm, i changed /etc/resolv.conf a few days ago and it seems to of reset, how do i prevent this? |
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| 01:07.05 | WiFiTux | men, I hate this people I share Internet with, all day using e-mule and making things so fucking slow! I hope I could throw trash packets in the port the thing uses and screw them up! |
| 01:07.10 | cafuego | blue_: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (it gets regenerated when ppp reconnects) |
| 01:07.13 | osity | carfuego ....I just downloaded the files and and put them in the roo directory |
| 01:07.18 | osity | *root |
| 01:07.19 | RichiH | WiFiTux: wondershaper |
| 01:07.27 | exobyte | Let's say I have a 2.4.17 kernel, and I want a module. If I get the sources for that kernel, add the module to the config, make modules, and grap the file, will that work? |
| 01:07.28 | nvz | cafuego, thanks, though that didnt seem to be the problem. I can still only ping the gateway and nothing else. |
| 01:07.29 | blue_ | thanks cafuego |
| 01:07.44 | clcont | hmm |
| 01:07.48 | cafuego | nvz: So the gateway isn't routing |
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| 01:07.56 | clcont | can't u tell ppp to not re-do the resolv.conf instead of chattr ing it? |
| 01:07.58 | cafuego | nvz: Do you have a defaultroute set? |
| 01:08.03 | indes | woot, works, I ran the script as a user.. LOL |
| 01:08.03 | cafuego | clcont: Probably. |
| 01:08.18 | shingouz | cafuego: that chattr still lets the system work as it should? |
| 01:08.18 | ali7281 | when i scroll on tabs it doesn't go to the next tab but instead skips one and goes to the one after... is this the way it is supposed to be or something wrong w/ gnome? |
| 01:08.19 | aFlag | does anybody have segmentation fault when trying to send a file over xchat? |
| 01:08.42 | nvz | cafuego, I am not sure what that means. I am in the base-config and I cant configure an apt-source, so I dropped into a root consol on tty2. I am on thier winxp box right now on the same network. |
| 01:09.01 | MobyTurbo | jameson: stop that |
| 01:09.46 | violinuxist | I have an audigy 2 sound card working with alsa, but there is no device /dev/sequencer. What do I need to do? |
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| 01:10.00 | shingouz | reNegad3: stop, please |
| 01:10.03 | useruser | is there a good command-line program for recording audio? audacity and rec seem to introduce lots of noise, whereas brec_gramo (from gramofile) does a better job, but has a clunky interface |
| 01:10.07 | reNegad3 | wtf whoops |
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| 01:10.39 | shingouz | reNegad3: you'll learn :) |
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| 01:10.46 | reNegad3 | i know now ;) |
| 01:10.53 | shingouz | :) |
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| 01:11.01 | reNegad3 | didnt curiosity kill the cat |
| 01:11.01 | reNegad3 | lol |
| 01:11.02 | TNKS | hello all. I'm wondering: If I update my XF86Config-4, say some mouse properties, is there a way to see the changes without restarting X? |
| 01:11.22 | shingouz | TNKS: not that i know of |
| 01:11.50 | naleo | ignorance killed the cat and framed curiosity |
| 01:11.53 | TNKS | shingouz, does X.org handle this more fluidly? |
| 01:11.56 | crucian | ... |
| 01:12.06 | reNegad3 | naleo, lol |
| 01:12.13 | ali7281 | when i scroll on tabs it doesn't go to the next tab but instead skips one and goes to the one after... is this the way it is supposed to be or something wrong w/ gnome? |
| 01:12.16 | shingouz | TNKS: no idea, i run xfree and x.org is not in debian os of now |
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| 01:12.25 | nvz | cafuego, I was thinking about just going to cd sources for now, I dont know whats wrong. the XP box can ping the sarge box, but the only thing I can get to from the sarge box is the gateway |
| 01:12.42 | cafuego | I will make Michael Kratz eat your brain. |
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| 01:13.16 | TNKS | shingouz, yeah, I know. Do you know what the situation is with that? As far as I know, XFree is dead, so has Debian commited to X.org at all? |
| 01:13.33 | cafuego | TNKS: yes, the new testing release will feature Xorg. |
| 01:13.40 | EvanCarroll | my drive is now bitchign about no valid superblock, do you use mknod to fix that? |
| 01:13.52 | naleo | EvanCarroll: is it partitioned? |
| 01:13.57 | shingouz | !tell TNKS about xorg |
| 01:13.57 | EvanCarroll | naleo: No |
| 01:14.04 | reNegad3 | im happy with xfree i get more out of my card than xorg for some reason... |
| 01:14.13 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: no, you use a backup superblock. You *did* unmount it befor running fsck, right? |
| 01:14.20 | jameson | TNKS: Important files like XF86Config-4 and passwd I often backup, "cp -p XF86Config-4{,.3-13-2005}", the compare with "diff XF86Config-4{,.3-13-2005} |
| 01:14.21 | WiFiTux | RichiH, well, shaper I can but, It's not by a Linux MASQ server, I'm the only client in Linux, the NAT is a linksys box. |
| 01:14.39 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: It was never mounted, it was running on a software raid array, and when i restarted the array booted without it |
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| 01:14.45 | WiFiTux | hhmm |
| 01:14.55 | cafuego | nvz: That's just some mistweak somewhere. Is ECN enabled on the box? Disable it, see how you go. |
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| 01:15.02 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: I tried all the backup superblocks, none of them worked |
| 01:15.05 | WiFiTux | Can I use wondershaper if if I'm not the gateway or server? |
| 01:16.08 | nvz | cafuego, is that the kernel network congestion thing? this is a fresh install from D-I rc2 netinstall, I am still stuck in base-config with not network. I havent done anything yet, d-i ran through all its auto-magic and then rebooted me to base-config |
| 01:16.25 | cafuego | nvz: alt-F2 |
| 01:16.53 | cafuego | nvz: I'm groaning about this php/gd issue, not you |
| 01:16.54 | nvz | cafuego, yeah I got root logged in on tty2, and base-config on tty1 |
| 01:17.23 | corallis | what's the name of the tool to remove/add services to startup at boot time? |
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| 01:18.38 | scarynetworkguy | corallis: vim |
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| 01:18.55 | EvanCarroll | How do i replace a superblock? |
| 01:18.58 | scarynetworkguy | Ignoring the fact that they aren't services, of course. |
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| 01:19.23 | scarynetworkguy | EvanCarroll: WTF makes you think you need to "replace a superblock"? |
| 01:19.29 | corallis | Thanks for the input, but its not vim... |
| 01:19.41 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: because fsck is telling me it is bad as are all the backups |
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| 01:19.53 | scarynetworkguy | corallis: Well whatever editor you like to hack scripts with. |
| 01:20.07 | scarynetworkguy | !WAYTTD EvanCarroll |
| 01:20.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, EvanCarroll? |
| 01:20.20 | corallis | there is a tool specifically made so you dont have to hack scripts, to make things cleaner.. i just cant remember the name |
| 01:20.26 | corallis | I havent had to deal with it in a long time on debian |
| 01:20.42 | MobyTurbo | corallis: update-rc.d |
| 01:20.42 | blue_ | he gets a bad error |
| 01:20.46 | naleo | chkconfig maybe? dunno if that's debian tho |
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| 01:21.20 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: get my hd up so i can add it back into the array |
| 01:21.22 | corallis | MobyTurbo: thanks, that is it |
| 01:21.24 | nvz | cafuego, networking isnt my bag of tricks, so if you have any ideas I am all ears |
| 01:21.30 | scarynetworkguy | corallis: And WTF woould you want to gimp yourself by using such a thing? |
| 01:21.36 | cj | damn. busy channel. Does ubuntu use shadow passwords to store the user auth data? |
| 01:21.51 | nvz | cj, #ubuntu |
| 01:21.53 | MobyTurbo | cj: #ubuntu |
| 01:21.56 | scarynetworkguy | EvanCarroll: If it is bitching about bad superblocks you likely have hardware problems. |
| 01:22.05 | nvz | cj, its probably less busy, and they actually know about ubuntu there. |
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| 01:22.28 | mrhemlock | cj, we dont do ubuntu here |
| 01:22.35 | cj | MobyTurbo: I'm asking there, too. I want multiple sources :) |
| 01:22.38 | cj | mrhemlock: why not? |
| 01:22.45 | pipeline | corallis: boot-admin |
| 01:22.48 | MobyTurbo | cj: read the /topic |
| 01:22.50 | scarynetworkguy | !ubuntu |
| 01:22.51 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 01:22.51 | blue_ | if i want both firefox and thunderbird would the whole mozilla suite be suggested, i noticed most people don't use it for some reason |
| 01:22.53 | cj | you guys built the back end. I figured you'd know about the back end. |
| 01:22.55 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite cj |
| 01:22.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cj. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:23.04 | mrhemlock | cj see topic |
| 01:23.05 | EvanCarroll | mkfs seems to be replacing corrupted superblock data |
| 01:23.05 | scarynetworkguy | !tell cj about smart questions |
| 01:23.07 | EvanCarroll | hooray |
| 01:23.26 | scarynetworkguy | cj: That will tell you why crossposting is a bad thing. |
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| 01:23.36 | cj | scarynetworkguy: thanks, I read esr quite a bit. This is a smart question. stop treating me like a child. |
| 01:23.58 | pipeline | corallis: the boot-admin tool comes from the gnome-system-tools package |
| 01:24.05 | pipeline | cj: Reading ESR quite a bit is a badge of shame. |
| 01:24.16 | mrhemlock | !sing sunday |
| 01:24.17 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 01:24.20 | scarynetworkguy | cj: No cross posting and/or asking in the wrong channel/fourm is *not* smart. Don't act like a a child and you won't get treated like one. |
| 01:24.21 | corallis | pipeline: thanks |
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| 01:24.38 | MobyTurbo | cj: no, it's a dumb question, because it's not on-topic for this IRC channel. There's enough traffic here coming from people running Debian without dealing with all of the distros that come with it, with all of their individual quirks. |
| 01:24.50 | cj | scarynetworkguy: I would crosspost to my doctors if they said I had cancer. I think getting multiple opinions is not a bad thing. especially when the topic has so many opinionated folks associated with it. |
| 01:24.52 | MobyTurbo | s/come with it/came from it/ |
| 01:25.02 | joe666 | hi, I have a problem with gnome and hal device manager, my cd's won't automount, can I get help on this here or should I ask on another channel ? |
| 01:25.04 | cafuego | cj: yes, it does, just like debian. Try #ubuntu. |
| 01:25.09 | cj | pipeline: oh, is that right? Yes, he's an idiot, but you're quoting hime. |
| 01:25.13 | MobyTurbo | cj: 1) read the topic |
| 01:25.15 | cj | s/e\./e/ |
| 01:25.19 | MobyTurbo | cj: 2) go away |
| 01:25.25 | scarynetworkguy | cj: But would you go to see your dentist if you had colon cancer? |
| 01:25.27 | blue_ | but you also pay your doctors, shall i give you my paypal email? |
| 01:25.31 | scarynetworkguy | That is the correct analogy here. |
| 01:25.32 | cj | MobyTurbo: you have any idea what os ubuntu might be based off of? |
| 01:25.41 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Nothing like a drill up the backside... |
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| 01:25.45 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 01:25.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:25.51 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Heh. |
| 01:25.51 | pipeline | cj: I didn't quote him. |
| 01:25.52 | bandito | cj, you're not going to get an answer here, this isnt the right place for it |
| 01:26.06 | cafuego | cj: "based off" does not mean "identical to". Just go to #ubuntu. Sheesh. |
| 01:26.16 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: The smart questions factoid points to the ESR article on smart questions. |
| 01:26.24 | cj | pipeline: you referred to a link that quotes him. same thing. |
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| 01:26.35 | mrhemlock | <<< ignore list just grew |
| 01:26.35 | Xenguy | cj: your obstinance is really just noise now, and people tend to /ignore noise :-) |
| 01:26.40 | MobyTurbo | !aolize cj |
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| 01:26.49 | shingouz | maybe a knoppixsmite would help ;) |
| 01:26.57 | scarynetworkguy | cj: No that was me. pipeline had nothing to do with it. Now just part here and go bother the ubuntu folks. |
| 01:27.04 | cj | nice! I'm glad those assholes won't be talking to me. |
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| 01:27.15 | man_in_shack | i have a scsi cd changer device that i want to get working in linux |
| 01:27.18 | cj | now. Does anyone here know what authentication mechanism debian uses? |
| 01:27.29 | cafuego | cj: No, we have no idea. |
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| 01:27.35 | Xenguy | cj: they won't be listening to your vitriol either :P |
| 01:27.38 | cafuego | cj: Join #ubuntu and I'll tell you. |
| 01:27.40 | pipeline | cj: It varies by application. Most applications use PAM. |
| 01:27.43 | cj | cafuego: who would you talk to if you wanted to know? |
| 01:27.45 | scarynetworkguy | cj: Whatever you tell it to use. |
| 01:27.46 | man_in_shack | gets picked up as MDI SEL150CD, with /dev/sr0 to /dev/sr3 as the cd drives |
| 01:27.54 | cj | cafuego: I'm on the channel :) |
| 01:27.59 | man_in_shack | but i can't work out how to get it to load cds |
| 01:28.02 | cj | scarynetworkguy: how do you configure it? |
| 01:28.12 | blue_ | install one... |
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| 01:28.27 | cj | scarynetworkguy: how long have you been using debian, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 01:28.32 | scarynetworkguy | cj: "authentication mechanism" is pretty damn vaque. |
| 01:28.37 | scarynetworkguy | cj: Well over 7 years. |
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| 01:28.53 | cj | scarynetworkguy: nice. when did you join freenode? |
| 01:28.53 | cafuego | cj: Debian asks you if you want to use shadow password or md5 passwords. |
| 01:28.57 | supernoob | hey |
| 01:28.57 | cj | or "openprojects" |
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| 01:29.01 | pipeline | cj: /etc/pam.conf |
| 01:29.04 | cj | or "linpeople" :) |
| 01:29.16 | cj | pipeline: great. Thank you. Docs in /usr/share/doc/pam/? |
| 01:29.18 | supernoob | how do i install source |
| 01:29.22 | supernoob | ...compile it |
| 01:29.23 | scarynetworkguy | cj: Off and on since well before 2000 not always wiht this nick. |
| 01:29.25 | supernoob | and install it |
| 01:29.38 | cj | scarynetworkguy: I used to be "da_man" back in '94 |
| 01:29.38 | scarynetworkguy | cj: Writing a book? |
| 01:29.50 | cj | scarynetworkguy: I should, shouldn't I? :) |
| 01:29.59 | pipeline | cj: Possibly. PAM is extremely complicated and extremely powerful. |
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| 01:30.03 | scarynetworkguy | cj: Yeah whatever. From what I can see now you're a fucking moron. |
| 01:30.18 | cj | scarynetworkguy: really? That's good to know. Where do you work? |
| 01:30.19 | MobyTurbo | cj: did you start using Linux with kernel 0.95, whippersnapper? ;-> |
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| 01:30.40 | cj | MobyTurbo: damn. I guess that's just about right... when did we switch from a.out to elf? |
| 01:30.44 | mrhemlock | !lol cj |
| 01:30.44 | blue_ | hey cj: what are you wearing |
| 01:30.46 | cj | MobyTurbo: it was about a year before that, I think |
| 01:30.50 | pipeline | MobyTurbo, scarynetworkguy: Because having used horrible, gory betas on anemic wintel hardware in 1994 makes us l33t. |
| 01:31.11 | MobyTurbo | cj: no, 0.95 was always a.out |
| 01:31.23 | MobyTurbo | cj: it was soon replaced by early 0.99 |
| 01:31.25 | cj | MobyTurbo: hmm... was it .98? |
| 01:31.30 | MobyTurbo | cj: which also was a.out |
| 01:31.38 | cj | but when did it switch to elf? |
| 01:31.46 | pipeline | cj: Linux 1.2 |
| 01:31.47 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: Good for you. |
| 01:31.47 | MobyTurbo | cj: no, they skipped, but it stayed at 0.99 for over a year. |
| 01:32.04 | cj | pipeline: cool beans. were you using it then? |
| 01:32.13 | pipeline | cj: No, because it was awful. |
| 01:32.28 | supernoob | how do i unzip a bz2 file |
| 01:32.34 | pipeline | supernoob: bunzip2 |
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| 01:32.37 | violinuxist | Is alsaconf supposed to create a device /dev/sequencer and set up the appropriate modules if my card has that capacity? |
| 01:32.37 | cj | pipeline: heh, yeah. I remember getting X to work for the first time. what a PITA |
| 01:32.44 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: is it a tar.bz2? |
| 01:32.48 | supernoob | yeah |
| 01:32.49 | pipeline | cj: X was the least of your problems with linux 1.2 |
| 01:32.59 | mrhemlock | pipeline, bunzip |
| 01:33.01 | cj | pipeline: I opened up an example XF86Config in notepad in windows 3.1 and wrote everything down by hand because I didn't have a printer |
| 01:33.06 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 01:33.11 | cj | and then I rebooted to linux and entered everything in by hand |
| 01:33.12 | pipeline | mrhemlock: I don't have a bunzip binary :P |
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| 01:33.23 | cafuego | Why do telemarketers always get so upset when you don't have the same surname as the one in the phone book? :-) |
| 01:33.24 | cj | pipeline: yeah. it was never easy. still isn't. |
| 01:33.24 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: or bzip2 -cd foo.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - |
| 01:33.39 | pipeline | cj: That was a waste of your time. There were no applications back then. You were better off with win3.1. Real men used BSDI :P |
| 01:33.46 | mk270 | excuse me - what channel do i want for the installer for sarge? |
| 01:33.54 | pipeline | mk270: Ask dpkg about "d-i" |
| 01:33.59 | zignig | mk270: debian-boot |
| 01:34.00 | mk270 | pipeline: cheers |
| 01:34.01 | jameson | supersnoob: I usually see bz2 as file2.tar.bz2 and unzip them with tar -xjvf file2.tar.bz2 |
| 01:34.02 | cafuego | pipeline: Real men laughed at you whilst using MacOS 7 |
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| 01:34.13 | supernoob | ok after i tar -jxvf it what now |
| 01:34.24 | cj | pipeline: nah, figuring out how to get fvwm working was a splendid pain in my ass. Splendid in that I enjoyed every minute of pain ;) |
| 01:34.29 | pipeline | cafuego: Real men couldn't afford a Mac II because they spent it all on whiskey and bachelor chow. |
| 01:34.32 | MrMeee | I'm trying to install debian with netinstall sarge verion, i get this Deboostrap Error :Couldn't download libwrap0 |
| 01:34.39 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: if it was made properly it put the source in a directory. |
| 01:34.46 | supernoob | it is |
| 01:34.52 | doub | cafuego: because they're doing a brainwashing job, often paid at the benefits they make, with a yelling boss looking for statistics, maybe ? |
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| 01:35.01 | cj | pipeline: you could convince some of your friends that you were running windows 95 on your linux box with fvwm95. haha ;) |
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| 01:35.09 | cafuego | pipeline: real men used the Mac IIs at night in the university computerlab, whilst smoking dope and emptying a bottle of rum. |
| 01:35.17 | supernoob | it is all in a dir |
| 01:35.22 | supernoob | what is the command to compile it |
| 01:35.24 | supernoob | or install |
| 01:35.26 | supernoob | or whatever |
| 01:35.39 | cj | cafuego: I was a little young for dope and rum at 14, though :) |
| 01:35.54 | sussudio | !tell supernoob about enter |
| 01:35.56 | doub | cafuego: i don't know if it's the only reason, but that would account to the problem |
| 01:35.57 | cafuego | pipeline: Oh the joy of having a jam session with some canadian via cuseeme |
| 01:36.16 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: ./configure, make, then su to root and use make install (or better yet for that step checkinstall) |
| 01:36.23 | cafuego | cj: yeah, 16 minimum. |
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| 01:36.39 | cj | cafuego: heh heh :) |
| 01:36.54 | shingouz | supernoob: just out of curiosity, what are you trying to install there from source? |
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| 01:37.38 | supernoob | wmbatteries |
| 01:37.52 | shingouz | supernoob: apt-cache search wmbatteries |
| 01:38.13 | shingouz | supernoob: and if apt can find it, go root and apt-get install wmbatteries |
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| 01:38.52 | supernoob | it said it couldnt |
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| 01:39.02 | MobyTurbo | supernoob: apt-get install wmbattery |
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| 01:39.05 | shingouz | supernoob: apt-cache search wmbattery |
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| 01:39.35 | supernoob | its there |
| 01:39.36 | pipeline | cafuego, cj: In 1994, I was 11, using Wordstar and playing DOOM on DOS. I find the dickwaving over how long folks have been using Linux hilarious, as Linux was barely worth using before 2.0. |
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| 01:39.38 | supernoob | but it is for wmaker |
| 01:39.42 | supernoob | and i use fluxbox |
| 01:39.43 | shingouz | supernoob: most of the time yuo do not want to install from source as you will break dpkg and apt-get and a bunch of other stuff |
| 01:40.27 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: yeah, I used SysV before that on a shell account, and it was better at the time. |
| 01:40.30 | supernoob | ok |
| 01:40.33 | cj | pipeline: cool beans. Those were the days, eh? |
| 01:40.42 | snooo | muh |
| 01:40.48 | cj | pipeline: it's not work using today! |
| 01:40.55 | supernoob | after i apt-get install wmbattery what do i do to dock it |
| 01:40.56 | cj | pipeline: but people do it anyway, because they love it. |
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| 01:41.04 | snooo | 1994.... must have been using an amiga still |
| 01:41.08 | snooo | eek |
| 01:41.11 | cj | pipeline: I'm typing this on a mac, but I would so much prefer to have linux installed. |
| 01:41.26 | MobyTurbo | YHBT courtesy of cj |
| 01:41.29 | supernoob | ??????? |
| 01:41.33 | cj | YHBT? |
| 01:41.34 | cafuego | pipeline: That's not entirely true. I started at uni (after the drinking and smoking) with Slack 3.0. '93 or '94 I think. We used a repartitioned lab PC to run an internet based chat bbs. |
| 01:41.37 | cj | you had to be there? |
| 01:41.38 | L00thar | Does anyone recommend a debian IRC client over Xchat? |
| 01:41.48 | supernoob | bitchx |
| 01:41.53 | cafuego | pipeline: That wouldn't have been possible using DOS or MacOS ;-) |
| 01:41.55 | shingouz | supernoob: i am not sure but i guess you dock it the same way you'd do it with fluxbox. i havent tried wm or flux so i am not sure |
| 01:41.57 | cj | supernoob: heh :) |
| 01:41.57 | MobyTurbo | "You Have Been Trolled" |
| 01:42.01 | asg | cj: you have been trolled |
| 01:42.02 | cj | L00thar: do you like command line tools? |
| 01:42.04 | doublehp | L00thar: CLI: irssi-text, GUI: gaim |
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| 01:42.05 | L00thar | supernoob: I was afraid someone would say that... |
| 01:42.09 | cj | asg: who's trolling? |
| 01:42.10 | supernoob | lol |
| 01:42.15 | cj | I'm just hanging out on irc :) |
| 01:42.15 | doublehp | L00thar: they not be /better/ ... |
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| 01:42.22 | acid-trip | people awake |
| 01:42.24 | cafuego | pipeline: And none of us had the skills to port the SYSV IPC based code to BSD. |
| 01:42.27 | asg | cj: not a clue, that's what YHBT means though |
| 01:42.28 | supernoob | ...after i install wmbattery what do i do to dock it |
| 01:42.29 | doublehp | L00thar: they are what I use |
| 01:42.29 | Xenguy | L00thar: for console, irssi |
| 01:42.34 | cj | asg: oh, thanks :) |
| 01:42.36 | doublehp | ACiD I |
| 01:42.36 | acid-trip | hmm |
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| 01:42.53 | cj | uses irssi with screen on a colo box. |
| 01:42.55 | acid-trip | ok for getting the new kernel from kernel.org |
| 01:42.59 | slocate | locales! |
| 01:43.02 | acid-trip | what file to grab |
| 01:43.04 | cj | then your irc client never goes down, and you don't lose the backlog |
| 01:43.10 | Glad2BAlive | what do I use all those gzipped plain text file without unzipping? |
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| 01:43.13 | slocate | !locales |
| 01:43.13 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course. |
| 01:43.14 | supernoob | ...or mabe ill try wmaker |
| 01:43.19 | cj | where do some of you guys work? |
| 01:43.25 | cj | or are you all still in high school? |
| 01:43.27 | cafuego | pipeline: not as a DESKTOP os... I suppose Linxu sucked less than Win 3.11 at running stuff like Netscape and irc... multitasking was what we wanted.. the P60's were SOOO fast! |
| 01:43.28 | asg | Glad2BAlive: zless, zmore, zcat ... |
| 01:43.32 | doublehp | L00thar: I use some times 'irssi' inside 'screen' |
| 01:43.35 | Glad2BAlive | cj: underground bunker |
| 01:43.43 | shingouz | acid-trip: are you sure you need to compile your kernel from source, the debian kernels are very good |
| 01:43.51 | slocate | how do prgrams use locales? |
| 01:43.53 | cj | cafuego: nice |
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| 01:43.57 | cafuego | pipeline: Any actual WORK (video/gfx/Hypercard) we did on the macs though. |
| 01:43.58 | pipeline | cafuego: Heh, I think you would be absolutely shocked by what was possible with DOS. UNIX BBS software wasn't even best-in-class. |
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| 01:44.00 | cj | Glad2BAlive: neato. can you tell me anything about it? |
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| 01:44.09 | asg | slocate: man 3 gettext |
| 01:44.17 | slocate | k |
| 01:44.22 | L00thar | doublehp: I may have tried it once like that. Son't remember what the problem was. I tried another e-something for a while... |
| 01:44.28 | cj | pipeline: heh, I used dos. I wasn't impressed |
| 01:44.32 | acid-trip | shingouz: i wanna learn from first hand instead of relying on apt |
| 01:44.36 | pipeline | cafuego: And yes, Windows 3.1 wasted the pentium. Pentiums made motif snappy. |
| 01:44.38 | asg | !wwivsmite pipeline |
| 01:44.40 | cafuego | pipeline: The idea was to run a free internet BBS thing you could telnet into from your uni unix shell, for real-time chat with up to 25 users or so. |
| 01:44.41 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: before I discovered Unix I was a FidoNet sysop |
| 01:44.55 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: No shit |
| 01:45.01 | doublehp | L00thar: with any non GUI app, screen will help. |
| 01:45.04 | w0w0 | hi. somebody could help me with a ldap search like that ou=users,domains=*,dc=example,dc=org ? this basedn doesn't work |
| 01:45.09 | MobyTurbo | 1:109/536 |
| 01:45.10 | cj | acid-trip: you're on an acid trip |
| 01:45.11 | shingouz | !tell acid-trip about make-kpkg |
| 01:45.13 | doublehp | L00thar: especially when using remote servers or controle. |
| 01:45.21 | acid-trip | so cj |
| 01:45.24 | cj | acid-trip: it's hard. apt made my life liveable :) |
| 01:45.27 | L00thar | doublehp: I use screen all the time. |
| 01:45.29 | doublehp | L00thar: I even use screen localy when I fear X will fall |
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| 01:45.31 | cafuego | pipeline: See ISCA BBS as example, runs a hacked Citadel. We needed free code though... so we obtained YAWC. |
| 01:45.35 | cj | acid-trip: managing dependancies is crap |
| 01:45.36 | acid-trip | lmao |
| 01:45.41 | cj | acid-trip: if you want that, go use redhat |
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| 01:46.05 | shingouz | acid-trip: also the sources can be apt-get into place. if you really want to do it from the vanilla sources, grab the latest source from kernel.org but you are pretty much on your own with them |
| 01:46.08 | acid-trip | cj: i want to make sure my printer and webcam mods are loaded and working fine so i can use that shit in here |
| 01:46.18 | cafuego | THough i suppose the fact i learned C by hacking YAWC is kind of scary :-) |
| 01:46.26 | cj | doublehp: yeah. I do that, too. my work machine is running on redhat 7.2 and I can't upgrade broken packages :) |
| 01:46.49 | cj | acid-trip: in where? |
| 01:46.54 | pipeline | cafe_roy: Very. |
| 01:46.56 | doublehp | cj: wrong nick ? |
| 01:46.58 | pipeline | cafuego: Vory. |
| 01:47.02 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: lots of people did the same thing with wwiv, but I was a Maximus sysop, and after 1.0 it was no longer source code available. |
| 01:47.08 | cafuego | pipeline: <heh> |
| 01:47.14 | cj | 18:43 < doublehp> L00thar: I even use screen localy when I fear X will fall |
| 01:47.20 | doublehp | k |
| 01:47.22 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: though now it's open source again. |
| 01:47.28 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: abandonware |
| 01:47.35 | cj | doublehp: so X dies somewhat randomly :) |
| 01:47.45 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: one of the sysops in our net ran Maximums under dos-emu under Linux. |
| 01:47.47 | asg | MobyTurbo: wwiv runs on linux |
| 01:47.53 | MobyTurbo | s/mums/mus/ |
| 01:47.53 | cj | Amazon has decided to move forward all the way to RHEL3 |
| 01:47.56 | L00thar | uh-oh got to go... |
| 01:48.05 | cj | so moving forward, thinks will only suck 3/4 as much :) |
| 01:48.08 | MobyTurbo | asg: many DOS BBSs can run under dos-emu, it even has a FOSSIL driver. |
| 01:48.11 | cj | s/thinks/things/ |
| 01:48.14 | doublehp | cj: hmmm better than compleete freeze ( not even a home made Kernel Panic which you can trace .... no ... I have just freeses ... ) |
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| 01:48.21 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: We kept developing our source, it's not available, though probably GPL compatible, as we rewrote everything twice and jammed it only a mysql abckend, instead of fixed-size binary files for forums. telnet://monolith.cc.com.au/ (yes, it still lives!0 |
| 01:48.24 | asg | MobyTurbo: yeah but wwiv was ported to Unix some time ago. |
| 01:48.24 | pipeline | cafuego, MobyTurbo: You know, I don't think I ever knew of a BBS that ran linux. Maybe my memory is just crap, but everything I can think of was either SunOS or DOS |
| 01:48.37 | acid-trip | in linux cj |
| 01:48.40 | asg | MobyTurbo: not that I'd run it other than for a few old time laughs ;) |
| 01:48.46 | MobyTurbo | asg: wow, that's cool. |
| 01:48.58 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: a lot of people used OS/2 |
| 01:49.10 | asg | MobyTurbo: yeah |
| 01:49.13 | snooo | i knew of a couple of linux bbs |
| 01:49.14 | foureyes779 | still ? |
| 01:49.15 | MobyTurbo | asg: true. |
| 01:49.19 | snooo | but they were a couple |
| 01:49.27 | cafuego | pipeline: http://www.sgroi.com/isca/isca.txt |
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| 01:49.31 | gobbles | hi |
| 01:49.39 | snooo | actually one ran sun os, so didnt really count |
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| 01:49.54 | StoffBox-Steve | have someone a link where i can see, >> how to setup grub to boot the hd-media? / netinstall image ?! |
| 01:50.03 | gobbles | s powerpc the same as pmac in terms of kernels source from apt-get ? |
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| 01:50.07 | cafuego | pipeline: No, http://coan.net/bbslist/ |
| 01:50.08 | MobyTurbo | Ugh, Wildcat. |
| 01:50.14 | pipeline | snoke: My point exactly |
| 01:50.20 | asg | MobyTurbo: we set it up for someone on contract |
| 01:50.33 | jetscreamer | i remember Wildcat! 3.something |
| 01:50.35 | jetscreamer | and still have procomm around somewhere |
| 01:50.56 | MobyTurbo | asg: yes, that's what it's good for, commercial turnkey BBSs for people who want a company behind their BBS. |
| 01:51.00 | bandito | anyone know of an app that will let you detach an x window and reattach to it from another host? something like screen, but for x. example use would be starting a soulseek client at home, then being able to access it at work. i'd like to avoid vnc because my upload speed isnt spectacular |
| 01:51.30 | pipeline | bandito: xmove is what you're looking for |
| 01:51.30 | MobyTurbo | asg: my favorite was ZComm/Pro-YAM, which incidentally has a Unix flavor. |
| 01:51.30 | bandito | pipeline, gracias |
| 01:51.30 | asg | MobyTurbo: yeah, MajorBBS was another one. Actually, my first exposure to linux was setting up a gateway using Slackware '96 |
| 01:51.42 | foureyes779 | Procomm |
| 01:52.22 | MobyTurbo | Procomm may have been sub-optimal but its interface was copied by everyone else. |
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| 01:53.05 | asg | !wb lilo |
| 01:53.06 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! lilo has returned! |
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| 01:54.00 | gobbles | s powerpc the same as pmac in terms of kernels source from apt-get ? |
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| 01:54.25 | Xenguy | OK now I'm intrigued (or was that appalled)... quoted from wikipedia: "Hot Hot Heat initially played hardcore punk with synthesizers instead of guitars." |
| 01:54.26 | shingouz | gobbles: all architectures use the same source |
| 01:54.29 | Xenguy | ww |
| 01:54.48 | StoffBox-Steve | can someone tell me how to set up grub to boot the hd-media image ? its for a netinstall of sid |
| 01:55.00 | gobbles | ya but im wanting the kernel buils |
| 01:55.07 | gobbles | build* |
| 01:55.08 | pipeline | StoffBox-Steve: Get the sarge businesscard iso and use that to install sid. |
| 01:55.32 | shingouz | gobbles: so you already have the sources there then |
| 01:55.42 | Dashiva | whats a good non-hacky way of disabling the mail transport agent (i don't need it) |
| 01:55.51 | pipeline | Xenguy: Yeah, but I'll bet they sucked just as much then as they do now ;) |
| 01:55.52 | _rene_ | you do. |
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| 01:55.54 | StoffBox-Steve | can i boot it form harddrive pipeline .. i have no way to burn any CD or use an floppydrive |
| 01:55.58 | gobbles | i didnt download them and i need a newer kernel |
| 01:55.58 | pipeline | Dashiva: chmod 444 /etc/init.d/exim |
| 01:56.01 | asg | Dashiva: put 'exit 0' after the shebang in /etc/init.d/<your mta> |
| 01:56.12 | Dashiva | thx |
| 01:56.26 | _rene_ | the system tries to send mail to you occassionally |
| 01:56.30 | Dashiva | is there any way to edit the services collectively? |
| 01:56.33 | _rene_ | you do *not* want to disable that completely |
| 01:56.37 | pipeline | StoffBox-Steve: Beats me. I always use the PXE boot images. |
| 01:56.39 | gobbles | can i just get an answer as to weather powerpc is the same as pmac |
| 01:56.40 | shingouz | gobbles: all architectures use the same source, there are no separate sources for PPC or UltraSparc |
| 01:56.43 | asg | Dashiva: use rcconf or man update-rc.d |
| 01:56.48 | Dashiva | ok |
| 01:56.48 | _rene_ | just use nullmailer or so, but do not hack it with exit 0 or so |
| 01:56.55 | asg | gobbles: try #debianppc |
| 01:56.59 | _rene_ | that's completely broken |
| 01:56.59 | Dashiva | yeah it's set to null |
| 01:57.06 | Dashiva | or at least local |
| 01:57.07 | Xenguy | pipeline: Dunno - they're coming to town, and I thought I read up on wikipedia first :-) |
| 01:57.12 | nvz | I've just installed Sarge from a Debina-Installer rc2 netinstall disc, the network card and dhcp was all auto detected, but I cannot reach the internet, or the XP computer on the network. The XP box gets ping replies from the sarge box, but the sarge box cant ping anything but the router. I have no idea where to go from here, does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 01:57.26 | blue_ | is there a way to see what version something is in apt-get |
| 01:57.28 | gobbles | anything but answer a straight question |
| 01:57.52 | asg | blue_: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 01:57.52 | doub | blue_: dpkg -s <package> or dpkg -l for the full list |
| 01:58.00 | blue_ | thanks |
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| 01:58.35 | shingouz | gobbles: i am not sure how to answer your question as i cannot really make any other sense out of it except that you want to know what kernel sources to get to compile for a PPC (or pmac or whatever) |
| 01:59.06 | nvz | blue_, an installed package or an uninstalled package? installed packages you can do dpkg -l packagename, and uninstalled/available you can do apt-cache show packagename. |
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| 01:59.24 | asg | nvz: and apt-cache policy <foo> works for both instances |
| 01:59.38 | blue_ | :) |
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| 01:59.58 | nvz | asg, cool, now help me with my network problem or stop trying to educate me :P |
| 02:00.10 | Xenguy | Their web site certainly sucks: " |
| 02:00.11 | asg | nvz: hah. What is your network problem? |
| 02:00.12 | Xenguy | You Need to Download the Flash 6 Player" |
| 02:00.18 | gobbles | like right now im running pwoerpc 2.4.27...but the installer came with 2.20. with this in mind if you download a deb package from debian.org than it has a build package that gives you a conf for compiling your kernel |
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| 02:00.44 | Randex | im getting an error on the kernel i compiled.. ive tried several times to do this and i get the same error "kernel panic- not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)" anyone had this problem that can help me? |
| 02:00.52 | gobbles | i dont want to have to find out by hit or miss over the next 5 weeks how and what to compile into a kernel |
| 02:00.53 | shingouz | gobbles: sounds like a PPC in that case |
| 02:01.01 | doub | nvz: is your router properly configured ? (ie, can you access the internet from other boxes?) |
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| 02:01.13 | nvz | asg, I am at someone's house, they have a liksys router, and an XP box, and a box I just new-installed D-I RC2 on, and it can ping the gateway, but cannot reach the XP box or the internet. the xp box can ping the sarge box though *shrug* I dont know what the problem is |
| 02:01.20 | shingouz | gobbles: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 02:01.27 | nvz | doub, I am online through the router on this XP box right now |
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| 02:01.55 | doub | nvz: ok. the xp ping problem might be due to some firewall, but i'm no windoze expert |
| 02:01.57 | gobbles | if i knew how to make a package i wouldnt need to download on |
| 02:01.59 | asg | nvz: does /sbin/route show sane output? |
| 02:02.04 | gobbles | havent you guys ever used apt |
| 02:02.12 | nvz | doub, right I figure as much.. but I dont know why I cannot reach the internet |
| 02:02.12 | doub | nvz: check if your default route is to the router |
| 02:02.21 | shingouz | gobbles: what are you saying there? |
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| 02:02.31 | nvz | doub, networking isnt my bag, I dont know what any of that means |
| 02:02.46 | shingouz | gobbles: do you want the sources to make a custom kernel or do you want to install a debian kernell? |
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| 02:03.06 | gobbles | apt-cache search kernel 2.6... output kernel-build-2.6.10-power4 |
| 02:03.10 | nvz | asg, shows 10.0.0.0 and then 10.0.0.1 as the default |
| 02:03.15 | gobbles | neither |
| 02:03.22 | doub | nvz: "route -n" should give you a line like "0.0.0.0 <router adress> 0.0.0.0 UG ..." |
| 02:03.24 | gobbles | i want the build package |
| 02:03.38 | gobbles | they are system specific |
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| 02:03.40 | asg | nvz: and 10.0.0.1 is the gateway? |
| 02:03.57 | asg | !beer abrotman |
| 02:04.00 | nvz | doub, jsut route, shows default 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:04.03 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Odds are they have the XP "personal firewall" turned on. Did the linksys serve you your IP? |
| 02:04.05 | shingouz | gobbles: you did not happen to apt-cache search for such a thing? |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | !thank asg |
| 02:04.11 | dpkg | abrotman: de nada |
| 02:04.11 | doub | nvz: so you miss the "default route" |
| 02:04.17 | asg | hehe |
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| 02:04.18 | abrotman | asg: sorry :) |
| 02:04.21 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 02:04.24 | nvz | asg, yeah I chaged it, because it was 147.72.64.249.. heh which was a PIMA |
| 02:04.33 | doub | nvz: add it in /etc/network/interfaces (gateway <router ip>) |
| 02:04.35 | gobbles | isnt that what i just said |
| 02:04.46 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, yes it did, served me 10.0.0.103 right now IIRC |
| 02:04.52 | asg | nvz: yeah, it sounds like a routing issue. |
| 02:04.59 | scarynetworkguy | doub: That will only work if he has a static. wihich in unlikey. |
| 02:05.15 | shingouz | gobbles: you do not make a lot of sense |
| 02:05.23 | gobbles | apt-cache search kernel 2.6... output kernel-build-2.6.10-power4 |
| 02:05.24 | nvz | doub, does it even read lines like that when using dhcp? |
| 02:05.28 | doub | scarynetworkguy: you're right |
| 02:05.37 | gobbles | it makes perfect sense |
| 02:05.38 | chalcedony | scarynetworkguy, do i know you? |
| 02:05.41 | doub | nvz: no, i missed the DHCP part of the problem |
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| 02:05.51 | scarynetworkguy | chalcedony: I doubt it. |
| 02:05.54 | shingouz | gobbles: well if that is the package you want, install it then |
| 02:06.07 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: paste the output of ifconfig in #flood. |
| 02:06.08 | chalcedony | ok . . /me admins irc.scarynet.org |
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| 02:06.14 | gobbles | is power4 correct for a g3 ? |
| 02:06.21 | burd | nvz: if you are getting out through the router then you have a different problem, maybe try a different network cable |
| 02:06.24 | shingouz | gobbles: probably not |
| 02:06.27 | gobbles | is powerpc correct for a g3 |
| 02:06.37 | asg | gobbles: ask #debianppc |
| 02:06.40 | gobbles | is power3 for a g3 |
| 02:06.47 | shingouz | gobbles: most of us here run intel iron, you should as in the channel asg told you about |
| 02:06.56 | gobbles | i know |
| 02:07.12 | gobbles | but you should at leaste know what a kernel build package is |
| 02:07.17 | scarynetworkguy | gobbles: Yes it is PPC but you reall shouldn't be here. |
| 02:07.22 | snooo | can anyone think of a console based shoutcast stream player? it needs to work in woody |
| 02:07.24 | Xenguy | so downtown rocks then :-) |
| 02:07.30 | Xenguy | oh wtf |
| 02:07.38 | scarynetworkguy | gobbles: But that does *not* make this the right place to ask. |
| 02:07.39 | shingouz | !tell gobbles about make-kpkg |
| 02:07.44 | asg | Xenguy: not here, downtown is crap here |
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| 02:08.14 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, I cant exactly "paste" the output since the box cant reach the internet. |
| 02:08.21 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Doh. |
| 02:08.26 | shingouz | gobbles: that is the way stuff is done with intel. how it is done for/on a PPC is something we are not really equipped to answer |
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| 02:08.40 | snooo | anybody |
| 02:08.41 | snooo | ? |
| 02:08.41 | karsten | nvz: Um. Floppy it. |
| 02:08.53 | shingouz | gobbles: stop msging me |
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| 02:09.16 | gobbles | you stop your crap and ill be happy to ablidge |
| 02:09.24 | burd | snooo I think xmms can be run in console and do that |
| 02:09.27 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, the 2nd line reads "inet addr:10.0.0.101 Bcast10.0.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0" then "Broadcast Running multicast MTU:1500 Metric:1" |
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| 02:09.57 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, what? |
| 02:09.58 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: If you do "route" do you see a default gate? |
| 02:09.59 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:10.03 | shingouz | gobbles: i told dpkg to tell you how to do the kernel with an intel. if you do not like it, tough cookies |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | Xenguy: you're streaking too? |
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| 02:10.14 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: That is a legal address and will work. It is just very very ugly. |
| 02:10.24 | asg | abrotman: as long as he isn't liking the panes |
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| 02:10.35 | asg | /ik/ick/ |
| 02:10.39 | Dashiva | is there an amd_64 debian channel? |
| 02:10.40 | gobbles | what does kernel make instructions have to do with the price of tea in china |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | !tell Dashiva about amd64 |
| 02:10.49 | asg | Dashiva: #debian-amd64 surprisingly enough |
| 02:10.52 | TheTom | is the content of the 'clipboard' stored in a file somewhere? |
| 02:10.53 | Dashiva | hmm |
| 02:10.55 | karsten | burd: there's an xmms-shell utility, but it requires a running xmms GUI session. |
| 02:10.57 | Dashiva | would've never guessed |
| 02:11.02 | TNKS | hi all. There's a single command-line to route mouse movements to the console, but I forgot it. |
| 02:11.09 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, route gives me two lines "10.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" and "default 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" |
| 02:11.13 | asg | TNKS: gpm |
| 02:11.31 | burd | karsten: thanks I never tried it |
| 02:11.33 | stew | gobbles: actually i believe the chinese government does run linux, so it might have a lot to do with the price of tea in china |
| 02:11.36 | doub | snooo: mplayer (although it's not part of debian) |
| 02:11.38 | karsten | TNKS: Um. You want mouse control on console, or you want to see mouse output? |
| 02:11.47 | karsten | burd: I have ;-) |
| 02:11.48 | gobbles | debian makes packages with kernel configs in them for every type of system out there...intell included |
| 02:11.52 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, this router uses DSL for inet, DHCP, and they have the default domain set to bess.qvsd.org, its used for school.. that is the schools proxy or some shit like that. |
| 02:11.54 | TNKS | asg, I'm not running gpm, but I think there's something more basic (I've done it before). some sort of echo or cat. |
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| 02:12.03 | karsten | burd: It's useful if you're remote on the system and want to control your xmms session, say, over ssh. |
| 02:12.07 | karsten | burd: You can also cron stuff. |
| 02:12.15 | doub | nvz: this is right as long as 10.0.0.1 is your router's ip |
| 02:12.21 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, that domain is what it says in the router.. I tried adding that to /etc/resolv.conf, but didnt seem to help |
| 02:12.21 | TNKS | I just want to see something when I do various things with the mouse (movement, buttons, etc.). |
| 02:12.31 | karsten | ObPoll: anyone here use wajig care to comment on it as an admin tool? |
| 02:12.32 | asg | TNKS: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 02:12.34 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: try ping 64.233.187.104 |
| 02:12.41 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:12.46 | nvz | doub, yes, I changed the LAN IP of the router from 147.72.64.294, to 10.0.0.1 when I got here |
| 02:13.06 | TNKS | asg, I thought i was that. Let me try again. I didn't get any output for devices I know are working. |
| 02:13.10 | asg | karsten: can't say I have. What's it do? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | karsten: vi ? |
| 02:13.38 | karsten | TNKS: ...or /dev/psaux for PS/2 mouse. Or /dev/ttyS* for serial mouse. |
| 02:13.40 | burd | nvz: what about checking the network settings for the windows network device |
| 02:13.41 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: I'd beat almost anybody else to death for that. You get a pass. Just. |
| 02:13.54 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, I tried that earlier with a google ip I got from this box, and it said the same thing it says when I do that IP, Destination Net Unreachable |
| 02:14.08 | karsten | asg: It's a apt front-end among other things. I've heard of it before, ran across it again researching a list post. |
| 02:14.10 | TNKS | actually, I don't know what I was doing before, but that was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. |
| 02:14.14 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Cool. Yeah that was google. |
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| 02:14.20 | karsten | abrotman: vi what? |
| 02:14.22 | asg | karsten: oh, okay. |
| 02:14.38 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, I tried all this before I came on irc, to rule out dns issues and such.. I dont know what else to try |
| 02:14.55 | nvz | burd, right, will do |
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| 02:15.06 | karsten | asg: It apparently is sort of YAST-like in that it can deal with init.d and other config stuff. apt-cache show wajig. |
| 02:15.32 | asg | karsten: yeah, just did. I'm still unsure about 'suitable for general administration' though. |
| 02:15.34 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: Turn that off. |
| 02:15.45 | karsten | asg: Yeah. Actually, I think I met the author in AU. |
| 02:16.07 | karsten | asg: http://www.togaware.com/wajig/ |
| 02:16.22 | asg | karsten: ah, one place on the planet I'd like to go except for the fact that everything alive there wants to kill me |
| 02:16.27 | nvz | burd, nothing spacial.. other than this winxp box has some pppoe crap for the DSL |
| 02:16.29 | karsten | asg: Yeah, Graham Williams, at CSIRO, ANU. |
| 02:16.33 | burd | nvz: >>147.72.64.294<< this is not a non-internet IP address, if the router was there before it appears they may have set up bridging or a DMZ of some sort. If this is the case then you will probably have to look in the router settings |
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| 02:16.52 | karsten | asg: There's a lot of poisonous / venomous stuff there, but most of it's slow moving. |
| 02:16.52 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, do I need something special to connect to the DSL? I thought if its on a router, it shouldnt need anything PPPoE related |
| 02:17.08 | cafuego | karsten: no wonder, there's nothing else to do in Canberra. |
| 02:17.09 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Are you sure the linksys has a inet legal address on the other side? |
| 02:17.12 | karsten | asg: Went on a bush hike, *I* was the one who spotted the black snake, about 4m off the trail. |
| 02:17.16 | nvz | burd, yeah I noticed that before |
| 02:17.16 | asg | karsten: true, but I have to stop eventually and they catch up |
| 02:17.17 | karsten | asg: ...but he was just lying there. |
| 02:17.19 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
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| 02:17.24 | spoopin | nvz: the router has to make the pppoe connection for you |
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| 02:17.40 | karsten | asg: No, *everything* in AU's lazy bastards ;-) |
| 02:17.42 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, no actually I noticed it didnt have a WAN IP if I recall correctly, I will log into it again |
| 02:17.51 | asg | karsten: woah, wajig does quite a lot apparently |
| 02:17.55 | burd | nvz: it has ppoe crap because the outside IP was forwarded to the windows box, basically eliminating the internal network.. all you need to do is shut that crap off and things *should* work normally |
| 02:17.56 | karsten | asg: And if you get your druthers, go to NZ instead. Wear sunscreen. |
| 02:17.58 | asg | karsten: probably not as lazy as I |
| 02:18.00 | karsten | asg: Quite. |
| 02:18.13 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: That would be the problem :) |
| 02:18.14 | karsten | asg: Heh. |
| 02:18.16 | asg | karsten: yeah, my cousin lives in auckland |
| 02:18.26 | RedPenguin | How do you find the min and major of a dev file to remake it? |
| 02:18.31 | asg | karsten: I should visit one day |
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| 02:18.42 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, right under lan I got 10.0.0.1, and for internet I got 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:18.44 | RedPenguin | I mean to fix /dev/ttyS2 |
| 02:18.45 | RedPenguin | ;P |
| 02:18.46 | asg | RedPenguin: man MAKEDEV |
| 02:18.47 | karsten | asg: there's also apparently a GUI front-end now too. |
| 02:18.48 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, well how do I fix this? |
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| 02:18.57 | shingouz | nvz: check if the router is in bridging or routing mode while you're at it. if in bridging you may have to get the PPPoE stuff too, if routing the router should take care of everything |
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| 02:19.08 | nvz | burd, right thats exactly what is going on here. |
| 02:19.29 | BadMan | Who was installed nVidias latest module? I seem to be having a heck of a time getting it to find my kernel source.... tried with --kernel-source-path /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/include/linux/kernel.h bu tit still complains it cannot find the source |
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| 02:19.32 | nvz | shingouz, it has a setting I found for Gateway or Router, and its on gateway |
| 02:19.42 | asg | karsten: yeah, there is a screenshot (looks like a simple 'for i in `some list of commands` ; do createButton($i, handler) ; done' |
| 02:19.51 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Get the ISP in question to server you a address. Is the linksys set to do DHCP on the WAN side? |
| 02:19.57 | burd | nvz: try setting up wan0-0 to get it's address from DHCP |
| 02:20.00 | asg | karsten: interesting nontheless though |
| 02:20.02 | shingouz | nvz: i just love these "user friendly" things :p |
| 02:20.03 | karsten | asg: Heh. |
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| 02:20.22 | karsten | asg: I'd like to see the corresponding iface for gnu find, or gcc.... |
| 02:20.26 | asg | spoopin: new priest is smokin. #7 particularly is like some older sin after sin stuff |
| 02:20.30 | shingouz | nvz: i guess the gateway means it is in bridging mode |
| 02:20.30 | burd | nvz: you said it is on a school network right? |
| 02:20.38 | asg | karsten: :) |
| 02:20.51 | nvz | burd, yeah the local highschool provided him a laptop and a wireless router. |
| 02:20.56 | asg | karsten: no screen is big enough to have widgets for all the stuff those support |
| 02:20.59 | karsten | asg: ...or on the other end of the scale 'true'. |
| 02:21.11 | asg | karsten: hehe |
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| 02:21.43 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, yeah its set to DHCP on WAN. though its in "gateway" not "router" mode, and the Internet status says the IP is 0.0.0.0, and the XP box has some PPPoE thing with the valid external IP |
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| 02:22.34 | shingouz | nvz: i am guessing here but i think you need to get the PPPoE stuff onto the debian box too. not fun |
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| 02:22.45 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all |
| 02:22.55 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: So you have a DSL "modem" that is plugged into, what? |
| 02:22.56 | burd | nvz: you will have to set it to routing mode, you will have to give wan0-0 the ppoe settings the windows machine has or similar and reset the windows nic to use standard DHCP without ppoe, |
| 02:23.23 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, I havent crawled under the desk and looked, but I assume its plugged into this routers WAN port, let me check |
| 02:23.38 | jepel_tailweaver | Just finished a Sarge install, and am wondering which fonts I need. I have an LCD screen, and X fonts appear jagged until I highlight the text. I think I might need anti-aliased fonts. Which font packages might I need? |
| 02:23.49 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, yeah its plugged into the routers wan port |
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| 02:24.16 | mwilson | You need the fonts you want to use, oddly enough. |
| 02:24.31 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:24.37 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I'm just curious, because on every other distro I've used (quite a few) I've never had jagged fonts |
| 02:25.02 | jepel_tailweaver | I'm sure it's just some package I missed installing. I dragged in a few fonts when I installed X, but didn't go through them in detail |
| 02:25.05 | mwilson | An "anti-aliased font" isn't a particular font, or type of font, it's something you do TO a font. |
| 02:25.11 | FieldySnuts | yay more eyecandy whining |
| 02:25.17 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Adn the XP box is using PPPOE? |
| 02:25.24 | mwilson | So no, it's not some font you missed installing. |
| 02:25.27 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, yep |
| 02:25.40 | jepel_tailweaver | FieldySnuts, Well, in my defense, it's only ever happened in debian, and i've used redhat, gentoo, slackware, mandrake, and freebsd |
| 02:25.46 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Have you told the linksys to use PPPOE? |
| 02:25.57 | FieldySnuts | jepel_tailweaver: want a medal? |
| 02:25.59 | mwilson | <shrug> Then go use one of those. |
| 02:26.10 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, nope I know nothing about this stuff.. but I guess I am about to learn... and its going to disconnect me frmo here when I do it |
| 02:26.26 | jepel_tailweaver | FieldySnuts, That can wait until I find the perfect distro |
| 02:26.35 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, I am first going to loacate verisons 1-800 number before I change anything so I can ask them if I cant figure it out. |
| 02:26.49 | mwilson | How someone can run around doing all of that, as opposed to actually getting some work done, is beyond me. |
| 02:26.57 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Good plan. |
| 02:27.03 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: What ISP/Telco? |
| 02:27.11 | nvz | scarynetworkguy, verison. |
| 02:27.13 | mwilson | By the way, freebsd isn't a "distro". |
| 02:27.18 | shingouz | nvz: try installin PPPoE onto the debian box, i have seen a few instances where the ISP insists on making the router run bridging and the clients to run some PPPoE stuff on their computers |
| 02:27.24 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Oh god. They are the worst of the fucking worst. |
| 02:27.58 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Tell them to serve you a IP or I'll dispatch the ninjas. |
| 02:28.01 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: you should see a few of the Finnish ISP's. you'd barf |
| 02:28.21 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Can the get a downed T1 up in less than 24 hours? |
| 02:28.34 | scarynetworkguy | s/the/they |
| 02:28.36 | pipeline | shingouz: Selling refurbished buckets of vomit is a tidy side business for some of the Finnish ISP's |
| 02:28.43 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: they can get a T! stay down for more than 24 hours |
| 02:28.52 | shingouz | pipeline: eugh |
| 02:28.58 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Then they might just be as bad as Verizon. |
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| 02:29.06 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, I don't even want to think about what you mean by 'refurbished' |
| 02:29.21 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: the scariest thig is that i haven't seen a T1 in this place ever... |
| 02:29.28 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: Pasteurized and emulsified. |
| 02:29.29 | scarynetworkguy | shingouz: Heh. |
| 02:29.58 | jepel_tailweaver | well whaddya know, I didn't have freetype installed |
| 02:30.02 | scarynetworkguy | s/say/saw |
| 02:30.03 | mwilson | Isn't crapfox GTK2-only? |
| 02:30.08 | jepel_tailweaver | I thought that would have gotten pulled in as a dependency somewhere |
| 02:30.12 | shingouz | scarynetworkguy: adsl up in about eight weeks. |
| 02:30.15 | FieldySnuts | if you purchase a T1 through verizon, you deserve what you get |
| 02:30.17 | scarynetworkguy | And that wasn't that slow for them, truth be told. |
| 02:30.21 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, don't know or care...it's not really my favourite browser |
| 02:30.24 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Would have thought what was? |
| 02:30.30 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 02:30.35 | Eclipser | what do you have against firefox? |
| 02:30.37 | FieldySnuts | because even a small ammount of research would reveal a shitload of extremely pissed ccustomers |
| 02:30.38 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: No one mentioned dependencies. |
| 02:30.58 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I was talking about freetype. I thought it would have gotten pulled in as a dependency to something I installed |
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| 02:31.16 | karrot-x | hey what's the next debian stable? |
| 02:31.21 | asg | karrot-x: sarge |
| 02:31.33 | karrot-x | anyone here know about whitefox? |
| 02:31.37 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Such as? |
| 02:31.43 | karrot-x | odd question i know, i'm trying to find info on it |
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| 02:31.47 | karrot-x | my gym is switching from debian to it |
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| 02:31.53 | mwilson | karrot-x: Google. |
| 02:31.55 | asg | !whitefox |
| 02:32.00 | _rene_ | karrot-x: www.debian.org/releases |
| 02:32.00 | FieldySnuts | really. how would we know if it's not debian |
| 02:32.03 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, I dont' know, but I installed firefox, gaim, and xchat among other things and thought it'd get pulled in |
| 02:32.06 | Drim | how can I crypt a foldeR? |
| 02:32.10 | karrot-x | mwilson: i did, it's not turning up much but non-english pages |
| 02:32.11 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Why? |
| 02:32.23 | FieldySnuts | what's a folder |
| 02:32.26 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Do any of those depend on it? |
| 02:32.32 | asg | Drim: encrypted loopback filesystem |
| 02:32.36 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, Only because in the jumble of my linux experience, freetype always ends up getting pulled in somewhere |
| 02:32.45 | asg | Drim: or tar it up and gpg the result |
| 02:32.52 | Drim | hm |
| 02:32.54 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Ah, so you didn't check, then. |
| 02:32.57 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: I think he expects you to know his system telepathically |
| 02:33.56 | jepel_tailweaver | FieldySnuts, It's a sign that I don't really pay much attention to package installation once the program I want and the stuff it needs is installed |
| 02:34.01 | jepel_tailweaver | sorry to look like such a n00b |
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| 02:35.03 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Well, since the mozilla-firefox package deps on fontconfig, libfreetype6, libxft, *and* libgtk2.0, it's safe to say that it's PEBCAK if it wasn't installed. |
| 02:35.19 | FieldySnuts | shit happens. |
| 02:35.20 | Eclipser | PEBCAK? |
| 02:35.24 | asg | !pebcak |
| 02:35.24 | dpkg | somebody said pebcak was Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 02:35.31 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 02:35.31 | Eclipser | ah :) |
| 02:36.02 | jepel_tailweaver | I'll have to admit to not being too familiar with debian package management |
| 02:36.11 | greedymintX | #include <stdd'oh.h> |
| 02:36.12 | FieldySnuts | no you don't, we knew |
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| 02:36.42 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: No one asked you to be. |
| 02:36.52 | Eclipser | everyone's a newbie once |
| 02:36.54 | snooo | C |
| 02:36.58 | Eclipser | D |
| 02:37.02 | snooo | woops |
| 02:37.03 | snooo | sorry |
| 02:37.14 | toresbe | E |
| 02:37.17 | snooo | loose with my fingers |
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| 02:37.23 | asg | toresbe: ewwww |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | !lose toresbe |
| 02:37.26 | dpkg | toresbe: You Lose. |
| 02:37.30 | mwilson | Nope. I was never a newbie. I never hid behind a label in preference to trying to learn something. |
| 02:37.38 | toresbe | huh? |
| 02:37.52 | asg | toresbe: CDE == Common Desktop Environment |
| 02:37.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau toresbe |
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| 02:37.54 | ravenbird | toresbe: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:38.15 | snooo | asg: ewwwww |
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| 02:38.20 | snooo | horrible shades of purple |
| 02:38.25 | asg | snooo: agreed |
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| 02:38.39 | toresbe | of course |
| 02:38.39 | snooo | xfce is nice tho |
| 02:38.42 | asg | snooo: like fvwm without the functionality |
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| 02:38.43 | dal2403 | hello |
| 02:38.46 | toresbe | CDE r0x |
| 02:38.51 | Eclipser | french version of badger badger? |
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| 02:38.54 | mwilson | What idiot came up with this stupid way to manage the configuration of the new fontconfig? |
| 02:38.55 | dal2403 | im from argentinian |
| 02:38.55 | asg | Eclipser: yes |
| 02:38.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a wm war |
| 02:38.56 | ravenbird | KDE blows! |
| 02:38.59 | jepel_tailweaver | xfce is nice. Lightweight but doesn't feel that way |
| 02:39.03 | jepel_tailweaver | kde is nice in small doses |
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| 02:39.28 | snooo | xfce is great if just for the installer |
| 02:39.44 | Eclipser | enlightenment \o/ |
| 02:39.45 | brass | hi, i want to know, where i can find a good howto, to make debian work as a router |
| 02:39.50 | dal2403 | HOLA |
| 02:39.51 | toresbe | flux :) |
| 02:39.56 | toresbe | dal2403: HOLA, COMO ESTAS? |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:40.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:40.02 | mwilson | Xfce has an installer? Since when? Why would it need one? |
| 02:40.05 | dal2403 | ALGUNO QUE HABLEE ESPA;OL |
| 02:40.10 | asg | mé llamo Eliot |
| 02:40.11 | snooo | mwilson http://www.xfce.org go see |
| 02:40.20 | snooo | they have a graphical installer |
| 02:40.24 | dal2403 | HOLA TORESBE |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | toresbe: don't encourage |
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| 02:40.32 | snooo | which compiles the packages |
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| 02:40.42 | snooo | dunno if it works in ppc tho |
| 02:40.43 | brass | dal2403: entra a #debian-es |
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| 02:42.15 | stone-head | mwilson, there are ppc packages here: deb http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv binary-powerpc/ |
| 02:42.35 | stone-head | add it to your sources.list and apt-get 'em |
| 02:42.36 | BrutusLinux | anyone know if debian is looking into "nero for linux" as a deb? |
| 02:42.54 | snooo | the installer is useful for slack and a few over distros who dont keep it up to date |
| 02:43.18 | shingouz | BrutusLinux: isn't that closed source and proprietary? |
| 02:43.42 | BrutusLinux | thought they where going to have on version for free....I'm going to check |
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| 02:43.54 | karsten | BrutusLinux: k3b. |
| 02:44.04 | BrutusLinux | yea I have k3b |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | so use it ? |
| 02:44.09 | asg | BrutusLinux: crippled unless you bought the windows version. Therefore, not likely to be in Debian. |
| 02:44.12 | abrotman | nero's interface sucks |
| 02:44.27 | karsten | BrutusLinux: Frankly, I prefer cdrecord CLI myself. |
| 02:44.30 | asg | abrotman: feed it grapes and tell dirty jokes |
| 02:44.39 | pipelined | karsten: Heresy. cdrdao |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | asg: erm .. mommy? |
| 02:44.55 | karsten | pipelined: CLI or GUI? |
| 02:45.00 | asg | abrotman: that's the spirit |
| 02:45.20 | mwilson | stone-head: There's a reason why I need PPC packages of something? |
| 02:45.22 | pipelined | karsten: CLI. Less compatible than cdrecord, much more trouble free |
| 02:45.26 | BrutusLinux | http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html at the bottom it says it is free of charge |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | BrutusLinux: so package it ... |
| 02:45.47 | asg | BrutusLinux: no source, no good |
| 02:45.47 | karsten | pipelined: Um. Why would I want a less compatible tool? And cdrecord Works For Me[tm]. |
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| 02:46.08 | shingouz | BrutusLinux: free of charge does not necessarily mean Free software |
| 02:46.14 | karsten | BrutusLinux: If they provide an RPM, you can convert and install via alien. |
| 02:46.21 | stone-head | mwilson, snooo answered about it, so i add some comments, not paying attention here sorry |
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| 02:46.51 | BrutusLinux | ok |
| 02:47.04 | pipelined | karsten: Because cdrdao is simpler and parses cuesheets well. |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | shingouz: well . it does actually :) ... just not the free you want |
| 02:47.19 | pipelined | karsten: Every time I use cdrecord, I end up reading the man page again ;) |
| 02:47.23 | karsten | pipelined: cuesheets == what? |
| 02:47.30 | shingouz | abrotman: welll... you know what i mean |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | shingouz: but i have to register .. so f that |
| 02:47.43 | karsten | pipelined: I do 'cat ~/cdrecord-invocation' |
| 02:47.57 | karsten | pipelined: ...and if you set up the config file right, you don't have to do that either. |
| 02:47.59 | shingouz | some open, free and such version of skype would be neat though |
| 02:48.29 | karsten | BrutusLinux: It's not clear that the Linux version is a free (beer) download. Frankly, I prefer FS (speech) tools myself. |
| 02:48.35 | stew | shingouz: there are sipphones and iaxphones in debian |
| 02:48.50 | blue_ | anyone know why my nautilus would just stop responding, i can't start it now, just hangs like its loading stuff but nothing happens |
| 02:48.57 | shingouz | stew: i know but they cannot connect to skype |
| 02:49.10 | karsten | blue_: Nautilus is shite. |
| 02:49.27 | asg | blue_: #gnome on irc.oftc.net might know |
| 02:49.27 | blue_ | whats better? |
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| 02:49.35 | exobyte | offtopic, but does anyone know of a technology that is cheap and can get 1 mile range wireless? I do not have line of sight, but there aren't large obstructions either |
| 02:49.42 | karsten | blue_: ...'strace nautilus' might tell you something though, next session. Meantime: killall nautilus; sleep 5; killall -9 nautilus' |
| 02:49.48 | karsten | blue_: ...should get rid of it. |
| 02:49.53 | karsten | blue_: Anything's better ;-) |
| 02:49.58 | asg | exobyte: microwaves possibly |
| 02:50.06 | shingouz | exobyte: 802.11b and a couple of nice antennas |
| 02:50.08 | blue_ | what exactly :) for gnome |
| 02:50.08 | karsten | exobyte: pringles cans |
| 02:50.21 | asg | karsten: plain or sour cream and onion? |
| 02:50.41 | karsten | blue_: Well, GNOME sort of requires nautilus for stuff. Ergo, GNOME is shite. But that's just my opinion. |
| 02:50.43 | stew | asg: microwaves require line of sight |
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| 02:51.07 | karsten | blue_: there's a few file manglers. I use bash/mc. Konqueror, gentoo (file manager, not distro), others. |
| 02:51.15 | asg | stew: true, though 'no major obstructions' was kind of vague |
| 02:51.20 | shingouz | exobyte: #wireless might be the place to ask |
| 02:51.26 | karsten | exobyte: fixed locations or mobile? You might want to look at IP-over-ham. |
| 02:51.58 | karsten | exobyte: ...or get a few honking-huge speakers, and do an open-air audio coupling. |
| 02:52.05 | stew | problem with ip-over-ham is that you cannot do any traffic that is in any way encrypted, or commercial |
| 02:52.19 | karsten | stew: Really? Didn't know that. |
| 02:52.24 | pipelined | The problem with ip-over-ham is that the FDA usually interferes with my messages. |
| 02:52.27 | karsten | stew: steg time. |
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| 02:52.36 | asg | stew: you can't encapsulate the payload? |
| 02:52.36 | exobyte | karsten: heh- to populoated |
| 02:52.43 | mwilson | karsten: I thought you had lots of reasons why you thought Gnome was sh*t. |
| 02:52.44 | exobyte | shingouz: I'll ask there. thx |
| 02:53.05 | pipelined | blue_: rox-filer is a pretty nice gnom file manager |
| 02:53.07 | karsten | mwilson: nautilus is about half-dozen or more of itself. |
| 02:53.12 | stew | asg, karsten no. absolutely no encryption allowed on ham |
| 02:53.19 | asg | stew: oh, policy |
| 02:53.24 | karsten | stew: What about numbers stations? |
| 02:53.26 | shingouz | exobyte: a couple of big antennas and regular wlan stuff might do the trick. pringles cantennas or maybe even old sat dishes |
| 02:53.26 | bonez41 | running debian 3.0..if I send a text file to my laserjetiii using > lpr mainlog.txt and it prints just one line with gibberish...how do I reset so it will print the file? |
| 02:53.30 | asg | stew: my mistake |
| 02:53.56 | pipelined | bonez41: A LJIII might be PCL not PS |
| 02:53.59 | karsten | exobyte: Well, after you run the IP-over-audio for a few months, you should have no population.... |
| 02:53.59 | mwilson | Turn it off and back on again. |
| 02:54.06 | stew | karsten: those are illegal, you are also not allowed to broadcast with a ham license, its only for 2 way communications |
| 02:54.08 | karsten | exobyte: ...and then you can blast your WiFi however you want ;-) |
| 02:54.25 | asg | stew: I wonder if entendre and innuendo are verboten? |
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| 02:54.30 | bonez41 | pipelined, ok...I know my laser jet uses PCL language.... |
| 02:54.34 | karsten | exobyte: Seriously, pringles-can based WiFi or other tuned antenna solutions are good for runs of up to 15-25 miles. |
| 02:54.38 | shingouz | karsten: there is also the problem that you have to be a ham to be permitted on the ham bands |
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| 02:54.45 | bonez41 | pipelined, in that case...do I use something besides lpr? |
| 02:54.52 | stew | shingouz: becomming a ham is very easy these days |
| 02:55.01 | karsten | stew: Well, PPP is inherently two-way ;-) |
| 02:55.04 | shingouz | stew: true but you still have to be a ham |
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| 02:55.13 | stew | karsten: i mean in regards to the numbers stations |
| 02:55.14 | pipelined | bonez41: No. Printing is complicated, i'm afraid I can't try to explain it. |
| 02:55.26 | bonez41 | hmmmm ham.....and swisss....on onion rolll......... |
| 02:55.34 | pipelined | stew: Eh, the FCC usually turns a blind eye to broadcasting by HAMs, does it not? |
| 02:55.39 | bonez41 | pipelined, thanks anyway |
| 02:55.46 | karsten | stew: Right. I guess either they're outside the law or are on non-ham bands. I don't do much SW/LW myself. |
| 02:55.54 | stew | pipelined: no, i don't think that is at all true |
| 02:55.56 | blue_ | strace isn't really helping except read(3, ajsdo;ifhaoivne over and over and over again |
| 02:56.06 | bonez41 | pipelined, know of a better channel to ask about print issues? |
| 02:56.09 | pipelined | stew: Well, I hear about people more or less getting away with it through some kind of IP relays |
| 02:56.21 | stew | pipelined: except broadcasting of morse code practice lessons which is expressly allowed |
| 02:56.24 | asg | blue_: does it actually say 'ajsdo;ifhaoivne' or are you just typing that in to indicate junk? |
| 02:56.25 | pipelined | bonez41: 'fraid not. I would look at linux-printing.org -- an LJIII shouldn't be hard to get working |
| 02:56.30 | blue_ | junk |
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| 02:57.04 | shingouz | pipelined: ham operators can do stuff that is just amazing but they have to have the proper paperwork to do it or the FCC is going to hit the ceiling |
| 02:57.12 | karsten | blue_: Quote it excatly. It may be symantic junk. |
| 02:57.36 | stew | at least hams can do spread spectrum now, for the longest time it was not allowed which was dumb |
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| 02:58.09 | pipelined | shingouz: Heh. Let's put it this way: I would expect enforcement of the rules with respect to encrypted traffic to be more zealous than low-profile broadcasting over relays |
| 02:58.24 | shekmalhen | Is there any faq about firefox's slow speed on Debian? |
| 02:58.27 | blue_ | read(3, "\26\0D\tT\0 \2T\0 \2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\247\3/\1\0\0\0\277"..., 32) = 32 write(3, "\f\0\7\0T\0 \2\17\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\247\3\0\0/\1\0"..., 2028) = 2028 write(3, "\f\0\7\0S\0 \2\17\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\230\3\0\0&\1\0"..., 2028) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 02:58.35 | stew | pipelined: i don't see what relays have to do with broadcasting? |
| 02:58.44 | shingouz | pipelined: http://www.arrl.org/ for more information on ham operators |
| 02:59.00 | mwilson | shekmalhen: It'd have to be slow, first. |
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| 02:59.07 | blue_ | select(4, [3], [3], NULL, NULL) = 1 (in [3]) ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [2080]) = 0 brk(0x11971000) |
| 02:59.12 | asg | shekmalhen: quite zippy here |
| 02:59.12 | karsten | shekmalhen: Slow compared to what? I'm curious 'coz it seems slow compared with, say, Galeon. |
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| 02:59.19 | blue_ | those over and over |
| 02:59.33 | pipelined | stew: Never mind |
| 02:59.37 | shekmalhen | It is slow compared to Mozilla's official build |
| 02:59.51 | Xyverz | is there a reason why the development candidates have been removed from tasksel in unstable? |
| 02:59.51 | pipelined | shekmalhen: Firefox is just slow in general. |
| 02:59.52 | Phated | Good lord, mwilson actually defends a piece of software. |
| 02:59.56 | Phated | Well, kinda. |
| 03:00.03 | asg | Phated: not only that, crapfox |
| 03:00.20 | Phated | I like firefox. |
| 03:00.45 | mwilson | Phated: Defend? Hardly. Crapfox is, well, crap. But it's not slow. |
| 03:00.55 | Phated | mwilson: Ah, fair enough. |
| 03:00.57 | shekmalhen | I dunno, is there any issues with gtk2, or freetype? |
| 03:01.08 | blue_ | any suggestions? |
| 03:01.16 | asg | blue_: #gnome on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:01.27 | mwilson | shekmalhen: Then use the official build, problem solved. |
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| 03:01.33 | pipelined | shekmalhen: I suggest you install galeon or mozilla suite |
| 03:01.49 | shekmalhen | Well, epiphany worked well |
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| 03:02.00 | shingouz | shekmalhen: galeon is decent even on a P1 |
| 03:02.17 | shekmalhen | Could it be an acceleration problem? |
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| 03:02.23 | mwilson | Phated: With crapfox being so inferior to the suite, it's dissapointing that they're going to stop with development of the suite. Not unexpected, but disappointing. |
| 03:02.30 | Phated | Jeez, then use epiphany. |
| 03:02.39 | Phated | mwilson: They are? I wasn't aware. |
| 03:02.43 | Riva | I get an error about my iptables and that my kernal may need upgrading, is there a quick command for this? |
| 03:02.46 | mwilson | shekmalhen: And you're therefore not using epiphany *because* it performed to the level you desired? |
| 03:02.48 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: In what way is FF inferior to the suite? |
| 03:03.04 | asg | Riva: can you paste the error you get (provided it isn't more than 2 lines) |
| 03:03.16 | shekmalhen | mwilson, didn't felt confortable by the lack of customisation of epiphany |
| 03:03.21 | blue_ | asg: im the only one in #gnome..... |
| 03:03.28 | shekmalhen | Phated, it won't solve the problem |
| 03:03.29 | asg | blue_: on irc.oftc.net? |
| 03:03.32 | Phated | You mean... you're using firefox... for the THEMES? |
| 03:03.34 | blue_ | yes |
| 03:03.35 | mwilson | shekmalhen: Oh, yes, I'm sure you needed to change ever so much. |
| 03:03.39 | bonez41 | pipelined, thanks, found it at linuxprinting.org sans '-' |
| 03:03.39 | Riva | iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 03:03.40 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 03:03.43 | asg | blue_: try #debian-gnome or #gnome-debian |
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| 03:03.53 | snooo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.58 | asg | Riva: modprobe iptables |
| 03:04.01 | Phated | shekmalhen: AFAICT, you're using firefox. It's slow. You have at least two alternatives. You're not using them. |
| 03:04.08 | Phated | Conclusion... Need I really specify. |
| 03:04.10 | blue_ | nope |
| 03:04.16 | shekmalhen | eh! |
| 03:04.17 | Riva | can't locate module |
| 03:04.23 | asg | blue_: hmmm, maybe irc.gnome.org then |
| 03:04.24 | mwilson | Phated: It's more important to whine about perceived crapfox slowness. |
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| 03:04.34 | asg | Riva: then your kernel doesn't have iptables. what does 'uname -r' print? |
| 03:04.41 | Phated | mwilson: I'm optimistic. |
| 03:04.43 | shekmalhen | You both are ignored :) |
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| 03:04.54 | Riva | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 03:04.57 | asg | bah |
| 03:04.59 | asg | !idepci |
| 03:05.00 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 03:05.09 | asg | Riva: install 2.4.18-1-x |
| 03:05.25 | mwilson | Having used both crapfox and mozilla-browser on Windows and Linux, why anyone would waste any time at all with crapfox escapes me. |
| 03:05.33 | karsten | anyone got a good ref on why sudo is strongly recommended (or deprecated)? |
| 03:05.45 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: In what way is FF inferior to the suite? |
| 03:06.05 | Riva | without direct access is there a automatic way to do this? |
| 03:06.11 | asg | karsten: recommended because it logs commands used |
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| 03:06.25 | asg | Riva: direct acces? |
| 03:06.32 | pipelined | mwilson: hear, hear |
| 03:06.37 | Riva | what you said didn't work |
| 03:06.58 | pipelined | scarynetworkguy: It's actually slower than the suite and riddled with bugs that haven't been worked out just yet. Also, the update system in firefox is miserably broken. |
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| 03:07.11 | asg | Riva: of course 'install 2.4.18-1-x' wouldn't work 'apt-get install 2.4.18-1-386' should |
| 03:07.30 | karsten | asg: Yeah, I know. I'm ranting at an idiot who's saying "sudo bad. /etc/sudoers confusing. Oog! |
| 03:07.37 | scarynetworkguy | pipelined: That is pretty much the opposite of what I've seen. |
| 03:07.50 | Riva | nope no go |
| 03:08.00 | shingouz | Riva: as root |
| 03:08.03 | asg | karsten: oh :) |
| 03:08.04 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: crapfox can't even draw focus rectangles properly. The entire user interface looks and feels unfinished. |
| 03:08.07 | Riva | i am in as root |
| 03:08.16 | asg | Riva: 'nope no go' is not a useful diagnostic. What error do you get |
| 03:08.31 | blue_ | whats a good file manager for gnome |
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| 03:08.37 | Riva | E: Couldn't find package 2.4.18-1-386 |
| 03:08.39 | snooo | nautilius |
| 03:08.42 | karsten | asg: http://www.livejournal.com/users/debaday/2004/06/15/ |
| 03:08.51 | blue_ | snooo: everyone else is saying thats the worst |
| 03:08.54 | shingouz | Riva: apt-get update |
| 03:08.55 | mwilson | snooo: No, he said a *good* one, not a *bad* one. Get the signs correct. |
| 03:08.55 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Maybe I just have lower standards but I've not noticed that myself. |
| 03:08.55 | asg | Riva: sorry, 'kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' |
| 03:09.01 | snooo | muh |
| 03:09.01 | Xenguy | blue_: do you have KDE libs? ;-) |
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| 03:09.04 | blue_ | snooo: plus mines not working |
| 03:09.07 | snooo | i like nautilius |
| 03:09.11 | blue_ | i did too |
| 03:09.17 | blue_ | but, its not working |
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| 03:09.27 | mwilson | snooo: You've been drinking the Gnome kool-aid, haven't you? |
| 03:09.40 | snooo | mwilson: its so yummy |
| 03:09.57 | mwilson | karsten: Have you read their 3.0 manifesto yet? |
| 03:10.09 | asg | karsten: it gives 'selective' root access. Also, 'Defaults insults' is the best |
| 03:10.16 | karsten | mwilson: GNOME's? |
| 03:10.18 | Riva | ASG:E: Couldn't find package 2.4.18-1-386 |
| 03:10.21 | karsten | mwilson: And I just ate. |
| 03:10.22 | mwilson | karsten: Yeah. |
| 03:10.31 | karsten | asg: defaults insults? |
| 03:10.32 | Xenguy | blue_: anyway, I like 'emelfm' (minimalist, fast, lean), and 'krusader' (more bloated, full-featured, functional) -- both use the 'commander' style double-pane design |
| 03:10.33 | blue_ | any... suggestions? |
| 03:10.33 | mwilson | karsten: Google for it when you get a chance. |
| 03:10.41 | Phated | Gnome have manifestos? Why would a DE need a manifesto? |
| 03:10.50 | blue_ | ah, thanks Xenguy |
| 03:10.59 | snooo | anyhoo, i used to do everything under midnight commander |
| 03:10.59 | Xenguy | blue_: yw |
| 03:10.59 | asg | Riva: 1) apt-get install kernel-image (a list will scroll by) 2) look at the list and install a kernel image in the 2.4.x range that fits your arch. |
| 03:11.00 | greedymintX | ARGH anyone know how to stop gdm/X from going into panning mode at boot time? i've googled for this without success |
| 03:11.03 | shingouz | Riva: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-i386 |
| 03:11.05 | pipelined | scarynetworkguy: Lovely how observer bias can taint speed perceptions. In benchmarks, firefox is slower. Probably due to additional XUL and XSLT overhead relative to the suite's navigator. |
| 03:11.11 | asg | greedymintX: panning? |
| 03:11.13 | mwilson | Phated: Remember that they know better than you how you should use your own computer. They'll tell you that every chance they get. |
| 03:11.19 | karsten | Phated: Because GNOME IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. |
| 03:11.22 | abrotman | asg: screen is larger than resolution |
| 03:11.26 | Phated | mwilson: Nazi bastards, eh. |
| 03:11.31 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 03:11.32 | karsten | Phated: GNOME is THE TRILATERAL COMMITTEE |
| 03:11.37 | Phated | karsten: "ONE COMPUTER AT A TIME"? |
| 03:11.42 | asg | abrotman: ah |
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| 03:11.47 | karsten | Phated: no, no, no. |
| 03:11.47 | mwilson | Phated: Havoc is a moron and WauWau is just stupid. |
| 03:11.49 | scarynetworkguy | pipelined: I've taken a stopwatch to it. Don't know what benchmarks you are talking about. |
| 03:11.50 | greedymintX | it was working fine for ages, then i shipped the PC, and on bootup this happened. booting into Windows on the same PC is fine |
| 03:11.52 | karsten | Phated: ONE DESKTOP AT A TIME> |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | CAN YOU STOP? |
| 03:11.59 | Phated | mwilson: "Wauwau"...? |
| 03:12.06 | abrotman | Phated: jeff waugh iirc |
| 03:12.18 | karsten | greedymintX: Configure a display resolution that your monitor supports, and set your virtual desktop size to your physical desktop. |
| 03:12.24 | Phated | Anyone who would agree to be known by that name is, as mwilson put it, stupid. |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | Phated: oodly .. popular gas station in my area is Wawa |
| 03:12.27 | mwilson | I think if WauWau ever had an idea of his own, his head would explode. |
| 03:12.30 | karsten | greedymintX: panning indicates you've got a smaller physical desktop than virtual. |
| 03:12.54 | mwilson | All he ever does is repeat anything Havoc says. |
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| 03:13.01 | asg | mwilson: will they put the exploding head hackergotchi on planet.debian.org? |
| 03:13.09 | greedymintX | strange... it was working fine before |
| 03:13.13 | karsten | Phated: It's apparently his real name. |
| 03:13.20 | Phated | o.O |
| 03:13.22 | karsten | Phated: ...Um. Havoc. Ditto waugh. |
| 03:13.28 | Phated | Oh. |
| 03:13.34 | Riva | apt-get install kernal-image gets me, can notbe found error |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | that is really havoc's name |
| 03:13.45 | mwilson | asg: Dunno. I don't waste my time on planet.debian.net. |
| 03:13.49 | abrotman | !tell Riva about search |
| 03:13.50 | karsten | Phated: BTW, I'm getting the impression you don't like me anymore... |
| 03:13.53 | Phated | Anyone who has Wauwau for a real name should be entitle to one round of rounds at their parents. |
| 03:14.00 | karsten | Phated: ...you haven't stabbed me in the face yet today. |
| 03:14.04 | shingouz | Riva: kernel not kernal |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | karsten: /msg dpkg piav |
| 03:14.18 | asg | mwilson: a lot of crap but a few interesting things from time to time. |
| 03:14.26 | karsten | Phated: You *FOUND* them for me! Thank! |
| 03:14.30 | snooo | is there any way of getting the 2.4 kernal working in woody, or would i have to upgrade to sarge? |
| 03:14.35 | asg | Riva: kernel, not kernal |
| 03:14.37 | mwilson | asg: I'm looking at it at the moment. |
| 03:14.40 | snooo | kernel |
| 03:14.41 | abrotman | snooo: are you serious ? |
| 03:14.42 | Phated | karsten: I also ruined them, but, well... Your problem. |
| 03:14.46 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:14.52 | Riva | yea kernal gets me nothing too |
| 03:14.56 | Riva | err nm |
| 03:14.57 | jepel_tailweaver | Phated, I dont' think there's a better way to flip the bird at your parents than going down to the courthouse on your 18th birthday and getting your name legally changed |
| 03:14.58 | karsten | Phated: That's a matter of some debate. |
| 03:14.58 | mwilson | asg: Heh, someone else who realizes d'Itri is an idiot. |
| 03:14.58 | Riva | sorry misread |
| 03:14.58 | shingouz | !kernal |
| 03:14.58 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 03:15.03 | snooo | abrotman: explain |
| 03:15.03 | asg | mwilson: joeyh |
| 03:15.05 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAHAH. |
| 03:15.10 | Phated | deadcat: Hello. |
| 03:15.19 | deadcat | always the nuts eh? |
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| 03:15.21 | abrotman | snooo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 .. 2.4 is in woody already |
| 03:15.25 | Phated | jepel_tailweaver: I can think of a better way to flip bird at parents. BRB. |
| 03:15.28 | snooo | oh |
| 03:15.29 | snooo | :-D |
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| 03:15.36 | Phated | karsten: Your nuts, I just stab them. :) |
| 03:15.39 | jepel_tailweaver | Phated, really? |
| 03:15.41 | snooo | sorry i've been using debain for 2 days |
| 03:15.46 | Phated | deadcat: No, soemtimes the face, but only if I can't find them. |
| 03:15.52 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:15.53 | Phated | deadcat: Which is surprisingly often. |
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| 03:16.03 | Keeperols | o |
| 03:16.13 | jjazz | How can I copy a drive, including the MBR? |
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| 03:16.20 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:16.26 | Phated | Whoever said there was a gender imbalance in #debian didn't check. |
| 03:16.32 | travisat | Phated: angry are we? |
| 03:16.39 | kawaiikune | hey, can someone recommend a size for a swap partition? i have a Pentium 166, 1GB HD, 32MB RAM |
| 03:16.49 | Phated | travisat: There is no -we-, dahling. |
| 03:16.51 | mwilson | asg: I *always* have hotplug on hold. |
| 03:16.52 | jepel_tailweaver | jjazz, dd if=/dev/XYZ of=filename OR dd if=/dev/XYZ | bzip2 -cf >filename.bz2 |
| 03:16.57 | toresbe | kawaiikune: Swap your machine for a newer one? ;) |
| 03:17.03 | Keeperols | could anyone tell me why i have no sound viewing flash ware files? |
| 03:17.07 | asg | mwilson: yeah, I don't blame you |
| 03:17.12 | travisat | Phated: sniff. |
| 03:17.13 | jepel_tailweaver | kawaiikune, 1.5x your RAM is the usual guideline, but twice your RAM is probably better because you only have 32 |
| 03:17.16 | karsten | travisat: she's phated to be angry. |
| 03:17.17 | kawaiikune | toresbe: lol, very funny....i have a newer one, i just needed a piece to fool around on |
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| 03:17.23 | toresbe | kawaiikune: I don't know, really... Depends on what you're doing with the machine |
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| 03:17.27 | Nurbs | jepel_tailweaver: that's a weird guideline :) |
| 03:17.28 | kawaiikune | thanks jepel |
| 03:17.29 | karsten | kawaiikune: What do you plan on running on there? |
| 03:17.30 | Phated | travisat: He lost his nuts, you have to forgive the puns. |
| 03:17.33 | toresbe | kawaiikune: I'd start at 64... |
| 03:17.42 | karsten | kawaiikune: ...and what's the max ram that box supports? |
| 03:17.42 | kawaiikune | karsten: havent decided yet, just want something to fool around on |
| 03:17.45 | Nurbs | kawaiikune: you could just not use a swap partition and use swap files |
| 03:17.45 | jepel_tailweaver | Nurbs, 1.5x or 2x? |
| 03:17.57 | travisat | Phated: its kind of punny that phates decreed that you two should meet |
| 03:17.59 | Nurbs | jepel_tailweaver: there is no real guideline nowadays :) |
| 03:18.03 | jepel_tailweaver | Nurbs, the only guideline you really can use is guessing and checking |
| 03:18.06 | kawaiikune | and no idea about max ram |
| 03:18.09 | kethinov | how can i get my kernel to run dhclient eth1 instead of dhclient eth0 at boot time? |
| 03:18.17 | jjazz | jepel_tailweaver: I want to overwrite the destination drive completely. Will those instructions do that? |
| 03:18.18 | kawaiikune | thanks :-) 64MB it is |
| 03:18.19 | karsten | kawaiikune: If you plan on *any* modern desktop stuff, 32 MB is too small. 2x - 3x would be roughly appropriate. |
| 03:18.19 | Phated | travisat: Whaaa...t? |
| 03:18.30 | kawaiikune | karsten: 64 big enough? |
| 03:18.32 | Nurbs | kawaiikune: I hope you don't plan to run X ;) |
| 03:18.36 | travisat | Phated: puns are fun |
| 03:18.38 | mwilson | asg: I haven't figured out yet whether allowing the -17 hotplug package to install, and not using udev, breaks hotplug. |
| 03:18.38 | kawaiikune | lol, we'll see about X |
| 03:18.45 | Phated | Lol, you won't. |
| 03:18.47 | karsten | kawaiikune: I'd create 64 MB swap partitions up to max system supported RAM. Only activate 1 until you add more RAM. |
| 03:18.48 | jepel_tailweaver | jjazz, oh, you want a drive-to-drive copy? The drives must be the same drive, run dd if=/dev/source/drive of=/dev/target/drive |
| 03:18.49 | Phated | </lolhead> |
| 03:18.57 | kawaiikune | fair enough |
| 03:19.00 | karsten | kawaiikune: Should work for present. Don't plan on running OOo or Mozilla. |
| 03:19.02 | jjazz | jepel_tailweaver: Hmm... the drives aren't the same. |
| 03:19.05 | Phated | Or emacs. |
| 03:19.09 | travisat | Phated: or do you stab people you don't know in the nuts |
| 03:19.13 | jepel_tailweaver | jjazz, then you can't copy the MBR |
| 03:19.21 | Nurbs | karsten: the max system supported ram isn't really important |
| 03:19.24 | jjazz | jepel_tailweaver: OK. That's what I want to know. Thanks. |
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| 03:19.26 | Phated | travisat: No, people I'm unfamiliar with, I stab in the lungs. |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | travisat: Phated stabs everyone .... |
| 03:19.27 | Nurbs | karsten: you can have more swap than that |
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| 03:19.36 | travisat | Phated: well thats just rude |
| 03:19.39 | karsten | kawaiikune: It's easier to add swap partitions now than to repartition later, hence the creation of additional swaps even if you don't use 'em immediately. |
| 03:19.42 | karsten | Nurbs: ^^ |
| 03:19.44 | Nurbs | karsten: heck, I can even use 200+ GB swap on a 32 bit system :) |
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| 03:19.47 | Phated | My stabbing is like real estate. "Location, location, location." |
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| 03:19.57 | Phated | travisat: Feeling left out, are you? |
| 03:20.01 | karsten | Nurbs: Sure. But at a point, the swapping in/out is sort of rediculous. |
| 03:20.07 | travisat | Phated: not really |
| 03:20.10 | Nurbs | karsten: of course. |
| 03:20.15 | Phated | travisat: Good answer. |
| 03:20.17 | karsten | kawaiikune: Your box should be fine for shell, server, or X Term work. |
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| 03:21.05 | Phated | No wms for you. |
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| 03:21.16 | karsten | Phated: wms? |
| 03:21.22 | Phated | WMs. |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | window managers |
| 03:21.27 | snooo | is 266MHz too slow for a file server? |
| 03:21.28 | kawaiikune | karsten:thanks for the help, i appreciate it |
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| 03:21.37 | abrotman | snooo: how many clients ? |
| 03:21.40 | mwilson | asg: Ok, the crap at p.d.o isn't in date order, it's not in author order, so what order is it in? |
| 03:21.50 | snooo | abrotman: three at the most |
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| 03:21.58 | Python | hi |
| 03:22.01 | karsten | kawaiikune: NP. Google "linux partitioning" for my partitioning guide w/ swap logic. |
| 03:22.09 | karsten | Phated: Dig. |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | snooo: shouldn't be too bad .. as long as you're not beating the snot out of it |
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| 03:22.19 | DrAk0 | while i try to connect to my rsync server it says @ERROR auth failed, and in the server side the log says auth failed on module winbackups from luisjose.tusitio.lan (192.168.1.20). any idea? |
| 03:22.19 | kreg | is there a way to make xchat say "thanks for the voice" when an op grants me voice in a channel? |
| 03:22.30 | karsten | mwilson: p.d.o order ;-) |
| 03:22.31 | Phated | karsten: Dug. |
| 03:22.35 | snooo | abrotman: it'll just be for hosting music and the odd xvid file |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | snooo: try it .. and see |
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| 03:23.27 | shingouz | kreg: check xchat.org if there are some scripts to do so or hack the event texts |
| 03:23.28 | asg | mwilson: it's usually in time order but because they always touch something, all their entries get fed in at once. |
| 03:23.35 | Avante | hmmm |
| 03:23.35 | Avante | this is a fast question |
| 03:23.35 | Avante | im sure anyone can answer |
| 03:23.37 | Avante | is Debian an easier install than Gentoo? |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | kreg: #xchat |
| 03:23.47 | cafuego | O Y G ! |
| 03:23.48 | shingouz | Avante: yes |
| 03:23.57 | travisat | Avante: hmm sources say yes |
| 03:24.03 | kreg | thank you |
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| 03:24.13 | Avante | are you guys jsut saying that? |
| 03:24.16 | mwilson | asg: It looks like it's in "incompetence order", since someone's screed about the US Presidential elections is preceeding someone else's Eugenia screed. |
| 03:24.19 | cafuego | Avante: pretty much everything is, except openBSD. |
| 03:24.19 | Avante | do I need an active connection to the internet to install it? |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | Avante: what channel are you in ? |
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| 03:24.27 | shingouz | Avante: this is #debian |
| 03:24.31 | Avante | i know |
| 03:24.35 | cafuego | Avante: no, you don't, unless you have a netinst cd. |
| 03:24.41 | karsten | Avante: Maybe. |
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| 03:24.44 | shingouz | Avante: you can isntall off cd's or dvd's too |
| 03:24.46 | abrotman | even the netinst will do a base system |
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| 03:24.48 | Avante | how big are the nonnetinstall iso's? |
| 03:24.54 | cafuego | abrotman: not the bc one |
| 03:25.00 | Riva | hmm i did the apt-get install newkernal, it looked like it worked, but still ip tables error |
| 03:25.03 | cafuego | Avante: 650 Mb |
| 03:25.04 | karsten | Avante: 18 CDs. |
| 03:25.06 | abrotman | cafuego: that's BC .. not netinst .. i guess |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | it's 18 now? |
| 03:25.14 | cafuego | abrotman: well |
| 03:25.16 | abrotman | last i looked it was 13 |
| 03:25.16 | asg | mwilson: right |
| 03:25.17 | shingouz | Riva: it is KERNEL with two E's |
| 03:25.17 | karsten | Avante: netinst is ~35 - 45 MB IIRC. |
| 03:25.23 | cafuego | abrotman: or a dual-layer dvd ;-) |
| 03:25.24 | karsten | abrotman: Yes. |
| 03:25.26 | Avante | whoa... |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | the netinst is 110MB |
| 03:25.29 | Avante | 18 cd's? |
| 03:25.32 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Up there, anyway. |
| 03:25.34 | Riva | i know i downloaded it, 11 meg download and it installed |
| 03:25.36 | Avante | ok, thanks! |
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| 03:25.39 | Riva | i even rebooted |
| 03:25.40 | mwilson | I really should just remove hotplug. |
| 03:25.43 | cafuego | Avante: netinst is 110 Mb and there's a 40 mb business card iso. |
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| 03:26.12 | karsten | Avante: If you have a network connection, netinst is recommended. Otherwise, you're d/l'ing a lot of packages you aren't installing. There's 17,300+ packages in Debian. A typical desktop might have 1-2k. |
| 03:26.15 | zignig | cafuego: don't forget the netboot mini.iso ( 8mb) |
| 03:26.23 | cafuego | helix: spatulasnout is a flessenlikker. |
| 03:26.38 | cafuego | zignig: rrrr! |
| 03:26.40 | DrAk0 | while i try to connect to my rsync server it says @ERROR auth failed, and in the server side the log says auth failed on module winbackups from luisjose.tusitio.lan (192.168.1.20). any idea? |
| 03:26.56 | zignig | cafuego: rrrr? |
| 03:27.00 | cafuego | DrAk0: Yopu have an incorrect username or password. |
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| 03:27.13 | Riva | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 03:27.14 | cafuego | zignig: that was a sexy purr. |
| 03:27.24 | spatulasnout | cafuego: don't take any guff from these swine |
| 03:27.31 | DrAk0 | cafuego, heh i dont , or at least how i know? |
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| 03:27.46 | cafuego | DrAk0: That's what the error message means. |
| 03:27.51 | zignig | cafuego: ah ;) , i've benn using it on the mini cd's and can still fit 170 Mb of packages and data :) |
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| 03:28.09 | karsten | DrAk0: Bad auth tokens. What's the underlying transport? ssh? can you ssh to the host? |
| 03:28.09 | cafuego | zignig: Now that you have DSL you won't need to anymore... |
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| 03:28.40 | blue_ | are there any other more windows like alts of nautilus? |
| 03:28.46 | cafuego | DrAk0: rsync uses its OWN passwd file. not the system one. |
| 03:28.51 | Riva | I updated the kernel and i still get the modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables , any suggestions? |
| 03:29.10 | karsten | blue_: konqueror, rox, gentoo... 'apt-cache search "file manager"' |
| 03:29.13 | cafuego | blue_: KDE is as windows-like as you want (including crashes) |
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| 03:29.33 | blue_ | im using gnome |
| 03:29.39 | shingouz | !iptables |
| 03:29.39 | dpkg | methinks iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 03:29.45 | spatulasnout | howdy - when I first apt-get install'ed apache, it asked me whether i wanted to configure for suEXEC... At the time I didn't, but now I'd like to. I tried apt-get --reinstall but it didn't ask me the suEXEC question again. Any way to make it ask again? |
| 03:29.51 | karsten | cafuego: does it BSOD? |
| 03:29.53 | cafuego | blue_: Gnome is trying to be more like MacOS than windows. |
| 03:30.00 | cafuego | karsten: With the right screensaver.. |
| 03:30.10 | zignig | cafuego: I still run apt-cache, but yeah the new d-i is so cool. |
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| 03:30.19 | karsten | cafuego: Yeah, I've got that one... |
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| 03:30.29 | karsten | cafuego: I like the IPL / s390 one m'self. |
| 03:30.38 | Planar | spatulasnout, try dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
| 03:30.50 | c4_ | can i ask about wine here? |
| 03:30.52 | cog | i just did a dump with esdmon > outfile ... what format does the data come out in? |
| 03:30.53 | cafuego | karsten: My felines have forced me to use 'Atlantis 3d' ;-0 |
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| 03:30.56 | karsten | c4_: Yes, and beer. |
| 03:30.58 | spatulasnout | Planar: thx! |
| 03:31.00 | Shane^ | tfheen and Sesse have done well on the d-i imho |
| 03:31.07 | karsten | c4_: Though #wine might also be recommended. |
| 03:31.07 | cog | c4_ avoid austrailian wine |
| 03:31.25 | c4_ | what? |
| 03:31.31 | travisat | c4_: cheap wine is good wine |
| 03:31.34 | cafuego | cog: What sort of nonsense is that? |
| 03:31.35 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. My cat (RIP) used to like the xrayswarm SS. |
| 03:31.36 | c4_ | karsten: all sleeping there |
| 03:31.42 | DrAk0 | cafuego, karsten http://aba.homeunix.net/configs/ |
| 03:31.50 | DrAk0 | cafuego, im using cygwin |
| 03:31.51 | karsten | c4_: OK. Ask, but if we can't answer, try a mailing list. |
| 03:31.54 | cafuego | karsten: mine sit next toe athoer and scratch at the sharks :-) |
| 03:31.58 | BadMan | evening all how do I list out physical availablity on dev... |
| 03:32.05 | cafuego | next to eachother, too |
| 03:32.17 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 03:32.24 | jjazz | BadMan: man du might be what you want |
| 03:32.28 | karsten | BadMan: ?? |
| 03:32.33 | fbhjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.33 | cafuego | karsten: They hop onto the desk every few hours, to check if there's fishies yet. |
| 03:32.39 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 03:32.43 | BadMan | df -h is what i was after |
| 03:32.47 | BadMan | thanks though |
| 03:32.48 | cafuego | insane bastards |
| 03:33.06 | jepel_tailweaver | or wine in cygwin |
| 03:33.07 | karsten | foureyes779: You're a sick bastard. |
| 03:33.08 | DrAk0 | cafuego, i just re-re-re-re-checked and login/passwd are oks |
| 03:33.09 | jepel_tailweaver | that'd be crazy |
| 03:33.13 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:33.20 | jepel_tailweaver | LFS on Cygwin is the ultimate craziness |
| 03:33.23 | mrhemlock | fish heads fish head rolly polly fish heads |
| 03:33.26 | c4_ | cafuego: don't tell karsten hay annoying i am |
| 03:33.32 | cafuego | mrhemlock: eat them up, yum! |
| 03:33.36 | c4_ | hay = how |
| 03:33.51 | cafuego | c4_: Well, I don't have to anymore now, you just did it... |
| 03:34.00 | swatikiss | i am having a problem starting xmms .. i get an error |
| 03:34.01 | travisat | c4_: no it doesn't, hay is for horses |
| 03:34.03 | paster | "swatikiss" at 69.216.110.185 pasted "xmms problem" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/344 |
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| 03:34.26 | c4_ | let me see the log... |
| 03:34.40 | cog | cafuego, it's wise nonsense, know anything about esd? |
| 03:34.53 | cafuego | cog: You'd think so, wouldn't you? |
| 03:34.56 | BadMan | whats a good /boot part size? |
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| 03:35.04 | mrhemlock | cog, dont use it ;) |
| 03:35.04 | cafuego | BadMan: 20-odd Mb. |
| 03:35.05 | perdenab | karsten, thanks for the advice on virtual. now i get an unreadable ASCII graphics dialog box, before gdm comes up in panning mode :) |
| 03:35.10 | BadMan | oh my |
| 03:35.16 | BadMan | im screwed then hehe |
| 03:35.27 | cafuego | BadMan: Howso? |
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| 03:35.32 | perdenab | karsten, i love debian but stuff like this is a PITA |
| 03:35.34 | karsten | perdenab: <ctrl><alt><F2> will get you a console. |
| 03:35.44 | BadMan | i havea 7.4mb lol trying to isntall a different kernel-image and it runs out of space |
| 03:35.50 | cog | mrhemlock, becauase i can play the dump with esdplay outfile |
| 03:35.50 | perdenab | i know, i'm logged into one now |
| 03:35.53 | cafuego | BadMan: Yes.. that's not ideal. |
| 03:36.08 | BadMan | crapola! |
| 03:36.10 | perdenab | tx for the help, i am futzing around now |
| 03:36.13 | cafuego | BadMan: You can just unmount /boot and use / - should be fine in most cases. |
| 03:36.19 | karsten | Who was having the rsync problems? |
| 03:36.34 | BadMan | hmmm how safe hehe |
| 03:36.44 | perdenab | the stuff you can do with lynx and ircII... heck, i guess i'll just stop trying to use X at all |
| 03:36.51 | perdenab | :) |
| 03:36.52 | cafuego | BadMan: is / the second partition? |
| 03:36.53 | c4_ | all that lines that say: err:module:import_dll Library ole32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Prog... means that i need some path stuff? |
| 03:36.57 | mrhemlock | cog, arts is better, esd has issues with not freeing /dev/dsp (i have heard) |
| 03:37.04 | BadMan | anyway I can make /boot bigger without destroying everything and starting from scratch? |
| 03:37.05 | karsten | perdenab: /join #flood and paste 'tail -100 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' there |
| 03:37.23 | BadMan | cafuego look in #flood i pste it |
| 03:37.39 | cafuego | paste away |
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| 03:38.14 | blue_ | will apt-get install konqueror install kde? |
| 03:38.44 | mrhemlock | blue_, only the parts that it needs |
| 03:38.46 | michal_ | hi. does anyone know where the #xen irc channel is? it doesn't seem to be on openprojects |
| 03:38.51 | karsten | blue_: apt-cache show konqueror. Look at 'Depends' |
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| 03:39.02 | karsten | blue_: ...though if you want KDE, installing it is your best bet. |
| 03:39.15 | jeff_ | if i dont plan to use my server as an smtp server is it safe to turn off fetchmail |
| 03:39.38 | mwilson | jeff_: What does that have to do with fetchmail? |
| 03:39.56 | jeff_ | well i want to lock down my system |
| 03:39.57 | kawaiikune | i'm not booting from my swap partition, am i? |
| 03:40.08 | Unfrgiven | hi all. im trying to build gdesklets from source (v0.34.2). the problem im having is that the configure script is complaing with the following message: checking for pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package ORBit-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 03:40.08 | mrhemlock | michal_, there should be a list of servers in your irc client, exhaustive search may be what you have to do |
| 03:40.10 | jeff_ | im ont sure |
| 03:40.18 | Python | whats the command to perge is it like dpkg -perge |
| 03:40.32 | Python | i am trying to remove kdm compleatly |
| 03:40.49 | indes | --purge? |
| 03:40.50 | mrhemlock | Unfrgiven, apt-get buildeps packagname |
| 03:40.52 | michal_ | mrhemlock: someone here pointed me to the channel in the first place so I am hoping they were here now |
| 03:40.57 | shingouz | Python: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 03:41.04 | shingouz | Python: man apt-get |
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| 03:41.13 | mrhemlock | michal_, no logs of irc ;) gl |
| 03:41.13 | kawaiikune | karsten: i'm not supposed to be setting my swap partition to boot, am i? |
| 03:41.18 | Unfrgiven | mrhemlock: thanx, ill give that a shot |
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| 03:42.22 | karsten | kawaiikune: Um. You don't boot from your swap partition. You don't need to mark it bootable, and probably are better off not. |
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| 03:42.35 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:42.35 | mwilson | Oh, wow, that's a reallly *bad* eBay phish. |
| 03:42.50 | kawaiikune | karsten: thanks, that's what i thought, but i wanted to check....i run debian all the time, but this is the first time i've set it up |
| 03:42.53 | mwilson | These people really do think the rest of the world is as stupid as they are, huh? |
| 03:42.54 | blue_ | konqueror is pretty damn cool... |
| 03:43.42 | jeff_ | Ok i should rephrase my question |
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| 03:43.53 | jeff_ | If I dont want to use my comp as a mail sever, should i turn off Postfix? |
| 03:44.01 | jeff_ | or are there dependences |
| 03:44.12 | branton | hi, I can't get osdsh to run. It just quits, displaying it's "usage". Am I missing something or should I file a bug-report? |
| 03:44.38 | Nurbs | jeff: well, some components like cron want an MTA |
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| 03:44.53 | jeff_ | oh yea |
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| 03:44.58 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: you have to have some sort of MTA to deliver messages to root. |
| 03:45.08 | caliber | Can someone tell me what the best encryption would be if I wanted to SECURE a large amount of files on my computer? |
| 03:45.16 | Xenguy | caliber: gpg |
| 03:45.32 | jeff_ | is there a way that i can make it only accept connections from localhost |
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| 03:45.48 | Tweak`TG-Owner | is i686 p4 and amd64? |
| 03:45.52 | caliber | Xenguy: Whats the most powerful encryption though |
| 03:45.57 | karsten | kawaiikune: NP. |
| 03:46.07 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: I know exim4 can do that. |
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| 03:46.20 | shingouz | Tweak`TG-Owner: no. 686 != p4 != amd64 |
| 03:46.22 | Nurbs | caliber: you could encrypt the whole disk, too |
| 03:46.22 | Tweak`TG-Owner | !tell tweak i686 |
| 03:46.36 | Nwallins | Tweak`TG-Owner: /msg php-bot |
| 03:46.38 | michal_ | xenguy: do you know anything about xen? :P |
| 03:46.45 | branton | caliber: usually the "security level" depends on the password you choose, too. |
| 03:46.46 | caliber | Nurbs: I only need to secure a portion |
| 03:46.56 | Xenguy | michal_: yeah - I was first ;-) |
| 03:47.04 | Tweak`TG-Owner | shingouz what? |
| 03:47.11 | shingouz | !tell Tweak`TG-Owner about 686 |
| 03:47.11 | Tweak`TG-Owner | what is !? |
| 03:47.13 | caliber | branton: but there are so many different forms.. twofish, RSA, etc |
| 03:47.15 | michal_ | xen: no i mean the virtualization software |
| 03:47.15 | Xenguy | michal_: but no, haven't messed with that yet |
| 03:47.28 | Xenguy | michal_: yup, I know :-) |
| 03:47.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | shignouz ok so what would amd 64 be? |
| 03:47.43 | michal_ | Xenguy: damn :P Here I was hoping for a Xen guy |
| 03:47.50 | Xenguy | michal_: hehe |
| 03:48.01 | Nwallins | whoops wrong window heh |
| 03:48.12 | shingouz | !tell Tweak`TG-Owner about amd64 |
| 03:48.50 | Tweak`TG-Owner | shigngouz on an amd64 I dont have to run 64-bit os right? I can run regular i686 kernel right? |
| 03:48.53 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: I got that all straightened out |
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| 03:49.03 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: I didn't even have to call verizon |
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| 03:49.07 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Cool. What was it? |
| 03:49.12 | scarynetworkguy | !win nvz |
| 03:49.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvz! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:49.23 | Xenguy | michal_: maybe I should just change my nick and get it over with ;-) |
| 03:49.26 | shingouz | Tweak`TG-Owner: i have no idea, i guess the 46-bit amd's might be able to boot with a 686 kernel but i do not see the point |
| 03:49.32 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: it was just setup with PPPoE on the XP box..I had to enter all the PPPoE info into the router |
| 03:49.43 | shingouz | uhh. 64-bit that is |
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| 03:50.01 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Cool. Easy fixes are much of the good. |
| 03:50.07 | jeff_ | if i want to secure my system agaisnt postfix vurlns...is it safe to simply firewall that port |
| 03:50.10 | Tweak`TG-Owner | shingouz I cant get those OS's that you gave me to run my 32 software. And I dont think running 64 bit os has that big of performance boost. |
| 03:50.15 | Riva | dpkg -p vhcs |
| 03:50.22 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: well I am going to get off here, I'll be back online when I get home :) |
| 03:50.37 | shingouz | Tweak`TG-Owner: i do not know what to say then |
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| 03:50.59 | abrotman | jeff_: if you learn how to configure it .. it shouldn't be listening anyways |
| 03:51.08 | ThomasThumb | So using Sarge where does one put index.html? |
| 03:51.17 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Cool. Have fun and be safe. ;) |
| 03:51.35 | Erdos_ | Hi, I want to upgrade only a package but "apt-get upgrade package" means on my system "apt-get upgrade" |
| 03:51.36 | Erdos_ | help |
| 03:52.01 | ThomasThumb | It looks like the home page is redirected to /apache2-default |
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| 03:52.10 | Xenguy | Erdos_: what do you want to do though? |
| 03:52.20 | mrhemlock | Erdos_, apt-get install package |
| 03:52.21 | Xenguy | oh |
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| 03:52.32 | Xenguy | Erdos_: what mrhemlock said |
| 03:52.56 | ThomasThumb | Why did the homepage get directed to a somewhat crowded directory? |
| 03:52.56 | Xenguy | Erdos_: that will 'upgrade' it |
| 03:53.05 | shingouz | Erdos_: you should run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade too from time to time to keep the system up to date |
| 03:53.16 | ThomasThumb | Should you redirect the homepage to a new directory? |
| 03:53.17 | Erdos_ | ok, thanks |
| 03:53.59 | Erdos_ | apt-get upgrade package don't exist |
| 03:54.05 | Erdos_ | ok |
| 03:54.09 | shingouz | Erdos_: apt-get update |
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| 03:54.37 | branton | (repeat) I can't get osdsh to run. It just quits, displaying it's "usage". Am I missing something or should I file a bug-report? |
| 03:54.41 | shingouz | Erdos_: after that "apt-get upgrade" (or apt-get instlall foo) |
| 03:54.55 | shingouz | install even. damn, i need some caffeine |
| 03:55.14 | Unfrgiven | mrhemlock: thanks. that fixed it |
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| 03:55.46 | Erdos_ | thanks "at all" |
| 03:55.48 | Erdos_ | bye |
| 03:55.49 | ThomasThumb | So what is the usual manner for setting up a homepage on apache and Debian? |
| 03:56.08 | Nwallins | apt-get install apache |
| 03:56.21 | ThomasThumb | But where do you put the homepage? |
| 03:56.26 | Shane^ | s/apache/apache2/g |
| 03:56.39 | Nwallins | echo 'My Webpage' > /var/www/index.html |
| 03:56.46 | ThomasThumb | I'd look to use the standard method |
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| 03:56.53 | ThomasThumb | That wont work |
| 03:57.14 | macabre | Is the halt and reboot command in the current Sarge sysvinit package known to be fucked right now? |
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| 03:57.38 | Nurbs | ThomasThumb: there is no standard method besides RTFM and DIY :) |
| 03:57.52 | mrhemlock | ThomasThumb, there should be tutorial somewhere with step by step of insalling/configureing a web site |
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| 03:58.06 | macabre | it doesn't reboot or halt it falls threw to the su login z6: entry in inittab |
| 03:58.36 | Nurbs | macabre: I doubt it, but you can always check bugs.debian.org |
| 03:58.52 | ThomasThumb | I thought there was a Linux file system standard? |
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| 03:59.12 | ThomasThumb | So the homepage should go in the standard file for a homepage. |
| 03:59.22 | Nurbs | there is no "homepage" file |
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| 03:59.32 | ThomasThumb | directory |
| 03:59.58 | Nurbs | but iirc the standard root for web servers is /srv/www or something. just read the FHS, it's not large, and reconfigure your apache or whatever httpd |
| 04:00.17 | ThomasThumb | I read it, root is /var/www |
| 04:00.46 | swatikiss | i am having trouble running xmms .... gives me an error |
| 04:00.57 | ThomasThumb | and then the home page is redirected with the command RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default |
| 04:00.59 | swatikiss | `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
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| 04:02.30 | branton | BTW, where *** did the input-line in the GTK-File-Dialog go? No more TABing? :( |
| 04:03.03 | LeBear | hrmm.. Has anyone done much with User Mode Linux? I've gotten it running, but it seems like the linux process is always using up all the CPU. is that normal? |
| 04:03.11 | useruser | branton: i think you want to hit control-l (memory may be faulty here) |
| 04:03.13 | indes | lol |
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| 04:04.28 | branton | useruser: wow. thanks! :D Now if that was only to be toggled by a pref... :S I don't like the way GTK and esp. GNOME goes down :( |
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| 04:06.58 | branton | well, have a nice day all :D |
| 04:07.36 | aFlag | why when i compile a program of mine using -Wall i get all bunch of warnings even though they are not about my program itself? |
| 04:07.52 | LeBear | errr? |
| 04:08.19 | aFlag | stuff like /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/../../../crt1.o(.data+0x0):../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:47: first defined here |
| 04:08.20 | indes | aFlag, warnings in includes? |
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| 04:09.21 | aFlag | i have no includes, the program is int main{ return 0; } |
| 04:09.39 | aFlag | int main() { return 0; } |
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| 04:10.51 | BadMan | is there any 2.6.# kernels for sarge from the net-installer? |
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| 04:11.25 | Nurbs | yes. |
| 04:11.28 | aFlag | it only seems to happen on debian |
| 04:11.36 | Nurbs | BadMan: you just need to boot it |
| 04:11.41 | Nurbs | aFlag: how do you compile? |
| 04:11.54 | Nurbs | BadMan: linux26 or something on the boot line |
| 04:11.56 | aFlag | gcc test.c -o -Wall test |
| 04:12.05 | Nurbs | -o -Wall ? |
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| 04:12.14 | BadMan | nurbs ok thanks |
| 04:12.32 | Nurbs | if that's C, you should use int main(void), too :) |
| 04:13.19 | aFlag | hum.. why -o -Wall worked in some gccs? |
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| 04:13.26 | Nurbs | gcc -Wall test.c -o test |
| 04:13.31 | Nurbs | it did? that'd be weird :) |
| 04:13.33 | LeBear | Question: Why does linux have ps show the threads of a process? Is there any use to it? |
| 04:14.02 | aFlag | yeah |
| 04:14.34 | Nurbs | LeBear: because of how linux implements threads |
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| 04:15.30 | aFlag | going to bed, good night |
| 04:16.55 | Nurbs | LeBear: see http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2002/11/07/linux_threads.html for example |
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| 04:17.40 | RRT | can NVU be installed on sarge? |
| 04:18.08 | gravity | Probably |
| 04:18.46 | Guerin | anything's possible |
| 04:18.54 | RRT | i did apt-get install nvu and it was not found. google says sid has a package. none for sarge? |
| 04:19.05 | gravity | I don't see why not. If the rest of the aviary can go on sarge, why not nvu? |
| 04:19.07 | LeBear | Nurbs: Hrm.. interesting.. Was just playing with UML and saw that all the processes in the UML were showing as threads in linux on the real system.. |
| 04:19.07 | Guerin | apparently not |
| 04:19.28 | LeBear | so I figured I could just kill the thread I wanted too.. but apprears you can't.. so I was wondering what's the point then.. |
| 04:19.36 | gravity | RRT: There's no nvu in my sid repo |
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| 04:19.45 | Guerin | !find nvu |
| 04:19.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvu' (5 of 9): (/usr/sbin/xfsinvutil) in admin/xfsdump ;; (/usr/lib/icu/2.1/invuca.dat) in libs/icu ;; (/usr/share/munin/plugins/apc_envunit_) in net/munin-node ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/uconv/uconvutil.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/axiom-doc/src/algebra/invutils.as.dvi.gz) in math/axiom-doc. |
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| 04:20.27 | Guerin | !find ^nvu$ |
| 04:20.34 | Guerin | woah, awesome lag |
| 04:20.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '^nvu' returned no results. |
| 04:20.47 | gravity | It's not there. It's probably someone's private package |
| 04:21.01 | gravity | RRT: You'd have to compile and install by hand most likely |
| 04:21.04 | Guerin | yeah, or the one from linspire or xandros or somesuch |
| 04:21.13 | gravity | Right... linspire is sponsoring NVU |
| 04:21.39 | raghu | hi all ;0 |
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| 04:22.37 | raghu | can any one paste their source.list file for me for debian stable....which has latest python2.3.4 updates |
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| 04:22.59 | Guerin | !tell raghu about backports |
| 04:23.10 | BigBlockO | where would be a good place to ask router questions? |
| 04:23.26 | Guerin | BigBlockO: phone your router's manufacturer |
| 04:23.49 | BigBlockO | well, its not a setup question |
| 04:24.02 | BigBlockO | its just that something really weird is happening with IP adresses |
| 04:24.05 | BigBlockO | and i cannot figure out why |
| 04:24.13 | Guerin | well, since you gave no information, I was just guessing wildly |
| 04:24.17 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 04:24.26 | BigBlockO | so i've got two linksys routers hooked up to my network |
| 04:24.36 | BigBlockO | one is just doing PPPoE authentication |
| 04:24.48 | BigBlockO | so i can use my static IP addresses |
| 04:25.03 | BigBlockO | the other is doing DHCP for my local network |
| 04:25.07 | BigBlockO | for my protected computers |
| 04:25.47 | BigBlockO | so i can access the external one from its "internal" IP address, which is still a world visible IP |
| 04:25.51 | raghu | Guerin: thx |
| 04:25.55 | raghu | :) |
| 04:26.32 | BigBlockO | and the internal router, the one that's behind the first router, i can access from the external router's "external" address |
| 04:26.47 | BigBlockO | the gateway address |
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| 04:26.55 | BigBlockO | which just confuses the hell out of me |
| 04:27.17 | BigBlockO | because i'm not doing any port forwarding |
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| 04:27.55 | LeBear | arggg |
| 04:28.10 | BadMan | well a 450mb /boot should do... plus a 450mb swap out of a 8mb boot and almost 900mb swap lol |
| 04:28.24 | Guerin | but you can't access the external router using your static, external, real-world ip; you only get the internal one? |
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| 04:28.47 | dad | greetings, and more... |
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| 04:29.45 | to_ | when i do an 'apt-get install' , how to ignore the questions dpkg ask me? |
| 04:30.00 | to_ | is ther a command for that? |
| 04:30.11 | BadMan | dad need to emulate scsi |
| 04:30.12 | gravity | to_: Which questions? |
| 04:30.19 | meneg | -y |
| 04:30.27 | meneg | -y, --yes, --assume-yes |
| 04:30.30 | meneg | man apt-get |
| 04:30.32 | meneg | ] |
| 04:30.34 | meneg | =] |
| 04:30.37 | dad | BadMan: i thought i had... |
| 04:30.42 | dad | well, leme see |
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| 04:31.34 | to_ | if i try 'apt-get -y <my_package>' , i won't see questions? |
| 04:31.40 | Randex | i was having trouble with a kernel panic a while ago and i just got past that and thats fix but upon boot my system still freezes up. no kernel panic doesnt give a warning just stops at "hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 <" any reason why this is happening? |
| 04:31.46 | to_ | that's it? |
| 04:31.51 | BadMan | lilo or grub? they make a diff... try this doc http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/index-debian-cdrw.html.en |
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| 04:32.18 | Randex | emm grub |
| 04:32.19 | dad | /etc/modutils/aliases has the line alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi |
| 04:32.44 | dad | is that not enough? |
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| 04:32.53 | BadMan | I just wiped everything so I cant give you the link I had was down and dirty simple ... I had to do it to burn net-install iso.. |
| 04:33.09 | meneg | uhm, do the debian kernel-image devs have a page with test image debs? |
| 04:33.21 | to_ | in reality i want apt to install the package with all options at their defaut values...you see? |
| 04:33.24 | BadMan | no you need to add a line into grub/menu.1st or lilo.conf and then run update-grub or lilo... |
| 04:33.29 | LeBear | hrmm.. how can you tell if you have tun/tap or ethertap capabilities on your box? |
| 04:33.44 | BadMan | I just dotn remember exactly what line it was |
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| 04:33.51 | gravity | to_: "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" (as root) and set the priority to the highest setting |
| 04:33.57 | gravity | to_: That'll get rid of most questions |
| 04:34.01 | BigBlockO | Guerin, i can access the external one using its "internal" static real world accessable IP |
| 04:34.26 | gravity | to_: The questions that dpkg asks, rather than debconf, are ones you want to hear, like whether to overwrite your config files in /etc or not. Those are important to check every time. |
| 04:35.03 | to_ | gravity: no because i've made a backup of that |
| 04:35.18 | dad | BadMan: then the link should be prety easy to google for.... i'll look there |
| 04:35.23 | gravity | to_: Well, either way. You want to do the debconf one. |
| 04:35.41 | to_ | i just want it installs and then i restore.. |
| 04:35.49 | gravity | Erm... ok |
| 04:35.54 | BadMan | what does pciehp belong to...? |
| 04:36.02 | BadMan | module for what? |
| 04:36.17 | gravity | That's just really weird, so I don't know how to do that. The debconf thing will take care of 90% of the questions though |
| 04:36.19 | to_ | the answers to its questions are in my backup..you see gravity ? |
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| 04:36.36 | gravity | to_: Yeah... but that's stupid |
| 04:36.45 | to_ | gravity: why? |
| 04:36.45 | gravity | to_: You're just wasting your time and letting things break |
| 04:37.10 | gravity | to_: Why not actually *look* at what it's going to do and decide then, rather then let it break your system and force you to fix it later? |
| 04:37.27 | gravity | to_: Even when it overwrites your config files, it makes a backup of them anyhow |
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| 04:38.06 | to_ | because i'm trying to make a restauration script(in which i don't want to be interrupted) |
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| 04:38.35 | to_ | gravity: you know..? |
| 04:38.38 | gravity | Nope |
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| 04:38.42 | gravity | I don't know what that means |
| 04:38.46 | Nurbs | LeBear: apps using NPTL shouldn't display their threads like that, but semantics are somewhat different, too |
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| 04:39.32 | LeBear | hrmmm suck. My kernel doesn't have tuntap support. |
| 04:39.42 | LeBear | you know.. sometimes running stable can really really suck. |
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| 04:41.00 | raghu | !tell simple sid backport |
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| 04:41.23 | raghu | !tell sid backport |
| 04:41.25 | LeBear | hrmmm didn't tihnk about that.. |
| 04:41.35 | chealer | !tell raghu about tell |
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| 04:42.08 | LeBear | Hrmmmmmm |
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| 04:42.18 | to_ | i've made a backup script(it backups my /etc and my /home for exemple)..and now i'm doing a restauration script(it re-installs my list of packages and then re-write my /etc and my /home from my backup) |
| 04:42.32 | raghu | !tell raghu about backport |
| 04:42.37 | new_ser | how do i setup a linux server to access a shell (terminal/character) based internet |
| 04:42.40 | gravity | to_: I guess you can set force-confold in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg (read man dpkg for more info) |
| 04:42.42 | chealer | !tell raghu about msg |
| 04:42.47 | LeBear | Do you really break your box so often that you need an automated way to fix it? |
| 04:43.05 | chealer | raghu: use /msg dpkg foo |
| 04:43.15 | to_ | gravity: oki thx(i'm french c'est pour ca) |
| 04:43.26 | gravity | to_: No problem |
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| 04:44.02 | Flimzy | new_ser: I'm not sure what a shell based Internet iss |
| 04:44.21 | Flimzy | s/iss/is/ |
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| 04:44.50 | Biovore | lynx |
| 04:44.58 | new_ser | for text-based internet browsers |
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| 04:45.44 | LeBear | links |
| 04:46.00 | Flimzy | new_ser: So you want to set up a web server that a text-based browser can access? |
| 04:46.04 | Flimzy | new_ser: Any web server can do that. |
| 04:46.43 | new_ser | ic |
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| 04:46.50 | new_ser | can u pls explain how |
| 04:46.59 | LeBear | language barriers are wonderful things |
| 04:47.04 | Flimzy | new_ser: apt-get install apache |
| 04:47.05 | N00b2Debian | hello |
| 04:47.13 | new_ser | ok |
| 04:47.14 | Flimzy | new_ser: Then read the Apache documentation |
| 04:47.20 | new_ser | yes |
| 04:47.52 | Flimzy | All your text based internet are belong to us! |
| 04:47.55 | N00b2Debian | can anyone see me type? |
| 04:48.01 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Yes. |
| 04:48.09 | N00b2Debian | woot |
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| 04:48.11 | raghu | any one has ...installed python2.3.4 for debian stable by apt mirror????????...i added some urls frombackport.org....but still i am getting python2.3.2 |
| 04:48.46 | N00b2Debian | thank you for answering sanxiyn |
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| 04:49.10 | new_ser | Flimzy: if my friends cant access internet from windows client and if i ask them to put my ip in there host file will they able to access internet (as i am running a server) |
| 04:49.31 | gravity | raghu: Python doesn't appear to be in backports.org. Did you try apt-get.org? (not sure if that site is still up) |
| 04:49.34 | Flimzy | new_ser: They shouldn't need to put anything in their hosts file. Just have them visit http://<your IP>/ |
| 04:49.38 | N00b2Debian | so this is my first time with an IRC client using trillian 3.1 seemed a bit cryptic on getting setup |
| 04:49.41 | sanxiyn | gravity: It is still up. |
| 04:49.53 | sanxiyn | (And is being updated, too) |
| 04:49.54 | gravity | sanxiyn: Cool |
| 04:50.03 | gravity | Good to hear |
| 04:50.11 | gravity | raghu: Don't /msg me please. Read /topic |
| 04:50.34 | N00b2Debian | I have 2 hard drives on my computer and want to setup debian on my secondary hard drive... anyone want to be my helpy helperton? |
| 04:50.34 | new_ser | Flimzy: in case there is some problem with winsock or dns will it help |
| 04:50.41 | raghu | gravity : sorry ...i clicked on u r nmae ...mistake |
| 04:50.51 | Flimzy | new_ser: If you're using the IP address in the URL, then DNS is never used. |
| 04:50.51 | gravity | N00b2Debian: That shouldn't be too hard. Just follow the manual. |
| 04:50.53 | chealer | sanxiyn: hehe, you're not alone |
| 04:51.06 | Flimzy | new_ser: If there's a problem with winsock, then your friend needs to fix winsock regardless. |
| 04:51.09 | sanxiyn | chealer: Oh, competitor. |
| 04:51.22 | gravity | winsock? Wtf? Do people still use that? |
| 04:51.29 | new_ser | Flimzy: thanks |
| 04:51.33 | gravity | I thought that died ages ago |
| 04:51.35 | sanxiyn | gravity: Oh sure. |
| 04:51.36 | Flimzy | gravity: everyone who uses Windows and an Internet connection does. |
| 04:51.37 | chealer | N00b2Debian: my scripts are in C so I beat you :) |
| 04:51.50 | new_ser | Flimzy: can i send u pm |
| 04:51.55 | gravity | Don't they just call it "Windows" now? |
| 04:52.00 | Flimzy | gravity: It's generally called wsock32.dll now instead of winsock.dll. |
| 04:52.03 | gravity | Wild |
| 04:52.07 | chealer | N00b2Debian: sorry that wasn't for you |
| 04:52.07 | Flimzy | gravity: winsock.dll is the 16-bit API. |
| 04:52.13 | N00b2Debian | lol I dont understand what you mean chealer |
| 04:52.28 | gravity | Shows you how often I used windows :-p |
| 04:52.31 | chealer | N00b2Debian: I was talking to sanxiyn, sorry |
| 04:52.34 | Flimzy | new_ser: No, there is no reason to send me a private message. |
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| 04:52.40 | new_ser | ok |
| 04:52.51 | sanxiyn | chealer: Oh, you're doing web scripting in C? |
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| 04:52.56 | Flimzy | gravity: Windows includes winsock, and much more (but that's always been the case) |
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| 04:53.17 | Flimzy | gravity: There was a time when winsock did not ship with Windows (pre-Win95). |
| 04:53.22 | chealer | sanxiyn: hehe, I'm just joking, 300000 will be for someone else I guess. I'll just bookmark it :) |
| 04:53.31 | Flimzy | gravity: But every IP-capable Windows machine uses some form of the winsock API |
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| 04:53.52 | new_ser | flimzy :if my friends dont no what the problem they are facing or not able to fix winsock will that host ip idea will work |
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| 04:54.17 | Flimzy | new_ser: If they can't fix winsock, then they need to reinstall Windows. |
| 04:54.23 | N00b2Debian | Ok so I 've been reading a lot about installing debian ... and frankly I'm a bit overwhelmed, I probably did it to myself, but I'm just a bit confused |
| 04:54.32 | N00b2Debian | ack no you can download a winsock fixer. |
| 04:54.39 | nvz | I got what appears to be a problem here.. I just came home and booted my machine and it wanted to fsck my /home after 30 mounts.. well I realize I can use tune2fs to change this.. but is it nessicary for this to take place? I am using ext3 on my home dir.. and its like 100gb and seems to take like and hour or more to fsck.. I dont _ever_ imagine I want to wait an hour for my /home to fsck |
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| 04:54.52 | N00b2Debian | I got it when i screwd my winsock from getting rid of some trojans |
| 04:54.59 | N00b2Debian | and it fixed my winsock |
| 04:54.59 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: Who the hell downloads a winsock fixer? |
| 04:55.09 | N00b2Debian | someone runing windows |
| 04:55.13 | shingouz | Flimzy: a windows user? |
| 04:55.16 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: Just extract wsock32.dll from your original CAB files. |
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| 04:55.29 | new_ser | Flimzy: friend they are kid of 12-15 year i dont think they will able to do that in that case /do u have any other idea to do that |
| 04:55.31 | Flimzy | shingouz: I can't imagine a situtation where a winsock "fixer" would be of any use, even to an idiot. |
| 04:55.32 | N00b2Debian | that is if you have your windows disk yoink yoink |
| 04:55.54 | Flimzy | new_ser: If your car engine doesn't start, you fix it. There isn't any "other solution" |
| 04:55.57 | chealer | N00b2Debian: one good tip, think about getting sarge |
| 04:56.00 | shingouz | Flimzy: i tired windows once, it <fill in space> ;) |
| 04:56.02 | chealer | !tell N00b2Debian about d-i |
| 04:56.09 | nvz | Also, I need to take a list of several thousand names and get phone numbers for them.. anyone know of any free software or service to do this, before I go writing a script to take a list of names and query infospace.com's cgi script? |
| 04:56.14 | Flimzy | new_ser: likewise, if winsock is broken, you fix it. There is no "other solution" |
| 04:56.24 | new_ser | ok |
| 04:56.28 | new_ser | thanks |
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| 04:57.15 | Flimzy | nvz: There are phonebook CD ROM's out there... for probalby < $10. Might be easier to use that than to write a script. Not exactly free, but perhaps cheaper than writing a script (depending on what your time is worth) |
| 04:57.18 | N00b2Debian | I have the winxp file still if you want it..... course I dont know how to give it to you |
| 04:57.25 | tmanArch | Got a question... |
| 04:57.35 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 04:57.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 04:57.41 | new_ser | flimzy: i thought some other trick will help /i was under impression that terminal based browseing doesnt require winsock |
| 04:57.42 | ApEtc | Eep, didn't realize it was that long |
| 04:58.18 | tmanArch | Using Gnome 2.8.6, clock applet not showing configuration options for normal user. How do I get the configuration options to show? |
| 04:59.15 | nvz | Flimzy: this is for political stuff... and I am not looking to pay for anything. My dad already has a spreadsheet with names, and addresses.. he just needs the phone numbers put in there. I can definatly write a script in python or something without any problems, I just dont want to reinvent the wheel here. I already have the list of the several thousand names I need, I just need the phone numbers. I dont need a whole phone book, I already got o |
| 04:59.32 | valdyn | tmanArch: the part that requires gnome-system-tools? |
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| 05:00.35 | Flimzy | new_ser: It doesn't, if you're not using an internet connection. I.e. a direct modem line to a terminal server thru Hyperterminal (or similar) |
| 05:00.45 | tmanArch | I suppose so. If I wanted to change the time for instance, that configuration is not listed on the context menu. |
| 05:01.17 | nvz | Flimzy: any form of phone book is more work for what I need to do, than just manually entering the names into infospace and then entering the numbers into a spreadsheet. and that is still more work than anyone in the campaign wants to do. so I am if all else fails going to write a script, to take a list of names out of the spreadsheet and look up the numbers via infospace. |
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| 05:01.34 | Flimzy | nvz: Yeah... like I said, a CD won't be 'free'. It just might be 'cheaper' in certian situations, than spending time writing a scrtip to query/interpret a free data source |
| 05:02.01 | valdyn | tmanArch: try apt-get install gnome-system-tools gksu ( both should be required, none of both should be missing for you so thats confusing ) |
| 05:02.01 | new_ser | Flimzy: thhanls |
| 05:02.11 | new_ser | Flimzy: thanks |
| 05:02.12 | new_ser | bye |
| 05:02.15 | N00b2Debian | can some one give me some tips hints or otherwise blatant suggestions on how I should partition my 15.3 gig second hard drive to run debian -- I want to build an apache web server for making and testing and learning my own scripts sorry if I sound new... I am .. |
| 05:02.27 | tmanArch | valdyn: It's almost like its a permissions issue. I don't have the 'shut down' option on the logout menu as well. |
| 05:02.29 | PlanarPlatypus | does anyone know why a custom kernel wpould suddenly be unable to find the root filesystem, all required drivers are in, the same config worked fine on the same hardware with a previous install and the grub config file is the same as it was under the previous incarnation of the kernel as well. The only change is I added the alan cox patch to get drivers for my RAID card |
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| 05:02.57 | PlanarPlatypus | I have already checked that the required filesystems and device drivers are compiled in, they are |
| 05:03.00 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: I do it like this, usually... ~150mb /, 100-300mb swap, 1-2gb /usr, 1-2gb /var, everything else /home |
| 05:03.09 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: But there is no 'right way' to do it. |
| 05:03.53 | N00b2Debian | what is that first 150? root? |
| 05:03.54 | ideafix | ~150mb != home ? |
| 05:04.08 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Root. |
| 05:04.13 | Nurbs | N00b2Debian: I would recommend not to split up your disk if you don't know what for |
| 05:04.19 | Nurbs | especially if it's not that large |
| 05:04.21 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: yes, / |
| 05:04.24 | sanxiyn | A little more for /usr if you're going to install excessive number of softwares. :-) |
| 05:04.33 | Flimzy | N00b2Debian: many people also like /boot partitions (altho I don't really understand why) |
| 05:04.41 | netgod | N00b2Debian: /dev/sdb2 / 200MB, /dev/sdb3 swap 512MB, /dev/sdb5 /usr 3GB, /dev/sdb6 /var 2GB, /dev/sdb7 9GB |
| 05:04.54 | ideafix | is sarge sable yet ? |
| 05:04.54 | sanxiyn | (Like me, that is... now 3G or so.) |
| 05:05.00 | netgod | N00b2Debian: researching the rationale for that is left as an exercise |
| 05:05.02 | ideafix | is sarge stable yet ? |
| 05:05.05 | sanxiyn | ideafix: Sarge is not yet a stable release. |
| 05:05.23 | cottus | a /boot of larger than a few MB is huge |
| 05:05.32 | Flimzy | ideafix: can you repeat? can you repeat? |
| 05:05.53 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Well, it was a typo fix, I think. (s/sable/stable/) |
| 05:06.05 | Nurbs | sanxiyn: topic. |
| 05:06.08 | ideafix | i repeated because there was a typo |
| 05:06.10 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: ah. I guess that's forgivable. |
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| 05:06.25 | Nurbs | sanxiyn: eh, sorry |
| 05:06.29 | sanxiyn | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 05:06.35 | Flimzy | anyway, I gotta sleep. |
| 05:06.43 | Nurbs | sanxiyn: meant ideafix of course :) |
| 05:06.55 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: np |
| 05:07.02 | ideafix | you think sarge is gona be ready soon (about one month ) |
| 05:07.21 | chealer | ideafix: /topic |
| 05:07.31 | sanxiyn | ideafix: No, I don't think so. |
| 05:07.32 | N00b2Debian | is sarge a new version of Debian? |
| 05:07.37 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Yes. |
| 05:07.45 | chealer | !tell N00b2Debian about releases |
| 05:07.50 | TNKS | I have a little problem regarding XFree and my mouse. I'm running a laptop, so I don't always have an external mouse plugged in; however, my current configuration only works if the mouse is plugged in when X is started (becaues udev creates /dev/input/mouse2 dynamically). |
| 05:07.54 | sanxiyn | (It is a codename for 3.1) |
| 05:08.15 | TNKS | Does anybody know how to deal with this better, so that my mouse is more plug-and-play. |
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| 05:08.37 | nvz | ideafix: it will be ready when you close all the bugs concerning the next release http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 05:08.48 | sanxiyn | nvz: Not really... |
| 05:08.51 | Nurbs | TNKS: I'm using gpm, so I can use my mouse in the console, too. I imagine /dev/gpmdata to be available, too, if I don't have the mouse plugged in |
| 05:08.54 | nvz | sanxiyn: shh |
| 05:08.54 | valdyn | TNKS: try to use /dev/input/mice |
| 05:09.01 | shingouz | TNKS: ps/2 connectors are not hotplug, only USB is so if you are running a ps/2 mouse you are out of luck |
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| 05:09.08 | valdyn | TNKS: all mice should be "wired" to that |
| 05:09.25 | caliber | http://ab.login.yahoo.com/img/y9EyaOVZFenaoZws7BeUDLfajO3H9ZDaIc.NCpIQaX24rvffWIEUgDQrcLBgHFmTaa35vWZgkEx.eSh8x50G27WJOWzBL4z_1vsx.jpg "PLEASE ENTER THE TEXT EXACTLY AS IT IS SHOWN BELOW" |
| 05:09.28 | Nurbs | valdyn: and /dev/input/mice will work, too, I guess... :) |
| 05:09.39 | caliber | good one yahoo |
| 05:09.48 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 05:09.54 | Nurbs | TVsLr? |
| 05:10.06 | sanxiyn | I bet TNsLr. |
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| 05:10.14 | caliber | too bad i refreshed it |
| 05:10.18 | caliber | how the hell |
| 05:10.21 | caliber | did you guys see that |
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| 05:11.16 | ideafix | no ocr can pick that up ! |
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| 05:11.21 | Randex | i was having trouble with a kernel panic a while ago and i just got past that and thats fixed but upon boot my system still freezes up. no kernel panic just stops at "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument <6> hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 <" any reason why this is happening? |
| 05:11.28 | TNKS | valdyn, I thought about using /dev/input/mice (by the way, this _is_ USB). I was a little unsure that's what I wanted to do because my laptop's trackpoint is routed to the other mouse device. |
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| 05:11.42 | TNKS | is there an alternative? |
| 05:11.44 | mwilson | Randex: Sure. Why are you using devfs? |
| 05:11.55 | Randex | well when i remove it |
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| 05:12.11 | Randex | i only get hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < |
| 05:12.12 | ideafix | its the mob |
| 05:12.17 | Randex | and it still freezes |
| 05:12.19 | Quozl | archs--; |
| 05:12.20 | Randex | :/ |
| 05:12.31 | mwilson | Randex: Meaning that you have no idea why you're using devfs. |
| 05:12.42 | ideafix | whats devfs ? |
| 05:12.45 | N00b2Debian | so um . I am just wondering ... should I now wait for sarge or go ahead and try with this one I got? |
| 05:12.56 | LinuxMafia | any one knows if icc12 is availabe on linux ? (image craft) |
| 05:13.04 | netgod | N00b2Debian: go for it |
| 05:13.06 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Try Sarge now. |
| 05:13.09 | Randex | meaning no matter if its used or not my system freezes |
| 05:13.23 | mwilson | Randex: You don't even know what it is, do you? |
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| 05:13.31 | Randex | no i do not |
| 05:13.31 | N00b2Debian | dang I wish I knew someone lived near me to help me out |
| 05:13.35 | Randex | thats not the issue |
| 05:13.35 | nvz | ideafix: some sick twisted obfusticated method of making the /dev/ directory more complicated |
| 05:13.39 | N00b2Debian | anyoen live in omaha? |
| 05:13.43 | mwilson | Randex: Of course it is. |
| 05:13.49 | Randex | the issue is my system is freezing wheather its used or not |
| 05:13.49 | N00b2Debian | I got 30 bucks with your name on it |
| 05:14.05 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Indeed, local user group is very valuable :-) |
| 05:14.16 | nvz | ideafix: for people who rather type /dev/ide/host0/target0/partition1 instead of /dev/hda1 |
| 05:14.18 | Biovore | I better you can find a lug out there somewhere.. |
| 05:14.23 | netgod | N00b2Debian: sarge isnt 'stable' but it works well enough |
| 05:14.23 | chealer | N00b2Debian: hehe, find the nearest LUG if you want. but learning but yourself is a lot of fun...most of the time :) |
| 05:14.24 | Randex | heh to me atleast when i use it i get some kinda error instead of a dead freeze no warnings nothing |
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| 05:15.05 | mwilson | When was a LUG ever worthwhile? Your average LUG is like linuxquestions.org |
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| 05:15.21 | nvz | devfs is not for people, its for software... until there is some kind of software to prevent users from ever having to type a device name, devfs is just a PITA |
| 05:15.22 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Huh? |
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| 05:15.31 | netgod | mwilson: even BALUG? and SVLUG? |
| 05:15.40 | Randex | anyways can ya help me or not |
| 05:15.42 | ideafix | when sarge becomes stabel what will we call testing ? |
| 05:15.51 | nvz | ideafix: etch |
| 05:15.59 | netgod | etch? |
| 05:16.03 | nvz | netgod: etch |
| 05:16.13 | ideafix | whats that ? |
| 05:16.16 | sanxiyn | A codename for the next thing, the rumor says. |
| 05:16.17 | mwilson | netgod: If they're like normal LUG, then yes. |
| 05:16.21 | cafuego | ideafix: Etch-a-Sketch |
| 05:16.22 | ApEtc | Etch-a-Sketch |
| 05:16.22 | nvz | ideafix: its the next codename |
| 05:16.31 | netgod | thats an unfortunate codename, but o well |
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| 05:16.37 | Biovore | woody,sarge,etch |
| 05:16.37 | ideafix | is that in toy story ? |
| 05:16.39 | Nurbs | !etch |
| 05:16.39 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 05:16.40 | mwilson | netgod: Oh? Why would that be? |
| 05:16.42 | cafuego | ideafix: Yes. |
| 05:16.42 | sanxiyn | ideafix: Yes. |
| 05:16.44 | nvz | ideafix: yes it is |
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| 05:16.49 | ideafix | i never seen toy story |
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| 05:17.21 | caliber | thats messed |
| 05:17.23 | caliber | i didnt even realise that |
| 05:17.26 | caliber | who was 'etch' |
| 05:17.43 | ApEtc | caliber: Read about 20 lines back |
| 05:17.46 | nvz | caliber: Etch-A-Sketch, by Ohio Art. |
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| 05:18.10 | cafuego | Biovore: Don't forget slink and potato. |
| 05:18.15 | ideafix | i thinkl toy story should be included in on of the debian cds ! |
| 05:18.23 | ideafix | lol |
| 05:18.23 | Randex | heh what a help channel this is :/ maybe its cause you dont know the answer.. anyways i will figure it out. |
| 05:18.25 | cafuego | ideafix: it's in non-free. |
| 05:18.28 | N00b2Debian | netgod .. what do you mean by /sdb2 .. what is sdb? heh.... |
| 05:18.29 | Randex | later |
| 05:18.31 | nvz | what about buzz, rex, and bo? |
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| 05:18.37 | ideafix | its non-gpl ? |
| 05:18.37 | swatikiss | how can i upgrade alsa to sid from sarge ?? |
| 05:18.42 | cafuego | nvz: We prefer to forget those |
| 05:18.45 | nvz | heh |
| 05:18.47 | useruser | firefox seems to have a huge memory leak which hung my machine the other day. is there a way to kill it automatically when it takes up (say) 80% of all memory? |
| 05:18.52 | ideafix | go figure ?! |
| 05:18.54 | cafuego | ideafix: it's Disney, guess... |
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| 05:20.24 | nvz | ideafix: the debian project leader, Bruce Perens, worked at Pixar during the making of toy story. when he took over the project he started codenaming the releases after toy story characters. |
| 05:20.36 | LeBear | hrmm.. quick perl regex question. I want to match if it contains anything not a digit. Is m/[^\d]/ correct? |
| 05:21.15 | sanxiyn | LeBear: Yes. |
| 05:21.20 | ideafix | i dont like disney very much |
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| 05:21.41 | netgod | LeBear: yes but its not elegant; m/\D/ is elegant |
| 05:21.43 | LeBear | disney is great.. if you want to want the same movie over and over again.. |
| 05:21.45 | N00b2Debian | r u still there netgod? |
| 05:21.49 | ideafix | is aice age pixar ? |
| 05:21.51 | LeBear | netgod: Ahh. nifty. thanks |
| 05:21.54 | ideafix | ice age |
| 05:21.58 | netgod | LeBear: correctness is a minimum standar, but you can strive for higher |
| 05:21.59 | ApEtc | ideafix: Fox animation, IIRC |
| 05:22.02 | N00b2Debian | bleh .. lol |
| 05:22.07 | netgod | LeBear: standard even |
| 05:22.10 | sanxiyn | netgod: So true... |
| 05:22.22 | ideafix | IIRC ? |
| 05:22.23 | netgod | N00b2Debian: i am here |
| 05:22.32 | ApEtc | !iirc |
| 05:22.32 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 05:22.33 | sanxiyn | ideafix: If I Recall Correctly. |
| 05:22.34 | N00b2Debian | what did you mean by sdb .... ? |
| 05:22.53 | nvz | ideafix: you are causing an echo in here |
| 05:23.01 | ideafix | sry |
| 05:23.06 | nvz | go get educated somewhere |
| 05:23.18 | nvz | come back when you have a debian issue |
| 05:23.33 | jetscreamer | that's edificated, nvz... i'm edificated |
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| 05:23.43 | ideafix | i shouldnt say it but im not using debian |
| 05:23.50 | jetscreamer | or was it edjikated |
| 05:24.07 | shingouz | jetscreamer: the three R's |
| 05:24.21 | jetscreamer | reeling rithing and rathmatics? |
| 05:24.24 | shingouz | yup |
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| 05:24.39 | gokee2 | I am trying to get debain to mount my drives on boot. I edited fstab but they did not mount. Can you tell me why? (pastbot is just about to past my fstab file to here :) |
| 05:24.41 | nvz | Xynth: whatever the fuck you got going on, turn it the fuck off! |
| 05:24.45 | paster | "Gokee2" at 24.113.12.97 pasted "The Fstab I am using" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/345 |
| 05:24.58 | jetscreamer | gokee2, what fs is the drives |
| 05:25.02 | jetscreamer | is/are |
| 05:25.30 | netgod | heh thats pretty clever |
| 05:25.32 | gokee2 | Fat on hda drives reiserfs on the hdb drives |
| 05:25.49 | gokee2 | no hdb2 is fat too |
| 05:25.51 | gokee2 | :) |
| 05:25.57 | jetscreamer | dont put spaces, it's blah,blah |
| 05:26.09 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 05:26.09 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 05:26.13 | gokee2 | I have to take out all my spaces? |
| 05:26.35 | jetscreamer | in the blah,blah auto, dev, exec, user, r |
| 05:26.52 | jetscreamer | i don't know if it does matter but it might, i never tried |
| 05:27.01 | nvz_ | at |
| 05:27.02 | gokee2 | ok |
| 05:27.05 | shingouz | gokee2: rw,users,auto instead of rw, users, auto |
| 05:27.18 | ideafix | why did you change nick nvz_ ? |
| 05:27.25 | N00b2Debian | theres another good question .. what file system should I use if I plan on running a web server with it? |
| 05:27.26 | nvz_ | ideafix: testing a fucktard's script |
| 05:27.36 | shingouz | gokee2: maybe you should also make the type into vfat instead of auto |
| 05:27.41 | jetscreamer | btw the order matters, one can affect/cancel another |
| 05:28.01 | jetscreamer | gokee2, man mount helped me |
| 05:28.07 | gokee2 | ok |
| 05:28.09 | jetscreamer | ooo baby |
| 05:28.13 | ideafix | nvz whatch the language |
| 05:28.30 | shingouz | N00b2Debian: i guess ext3 is good |
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| 05:28.42 | sanxiyn | "We're planning on not releasing most of the minor architectures starting with etch" -- Steve Langasek |
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| 05:28.48 | nvz | ideafix: eat my shorts :P |
| 05:28.57 | karsten | sanxiyn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 05:29.07 | sanxiyn | karsten: Yup, I'm reading that now. |
| 05:29.12 | karsten | sanxiyn: Dittos. |
| 05:29.25 | sanxiyn | It must have been a hard decision to make... hopefully a correct one. |
| 05:29.35 | nvz | gokee2: did you get a message in your status window from Xynth ? |
| 05:29.42 | cafuego | sanxiyn: Yes, sunestly, Sparc users hould buy an opteron and run a sparc emulatir. it'd be faster too. |
| 05:29.43 | nvz | gokee2: one minute ago? |
| 05:29.50 | gokee2 | nvz, no |
| 05:30.06 | ideafix | ive been banned from channels for saying that |
| 05:30.09 | nvz | gokee2: type the word "at" and see if it comes up |
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| 05:30.15 | gokee2 | at |
| 05:30.20 | cafuego | ideafix: Saying what? |
| 05:30.31 | nvz | ideafix: not this one. though thanks for the concern |
| 05:30.31 | LeBear | Do they still make sparcs? I thought they died out in the 80s.. |
| 05:30.36 | ideafix | what you said |
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| 05:30.55 | ideafix | nvz: said |
| 05:30.55 | cafuego | ideafix: What *I* said or "Eat my shorts" ? |
| 05:31.33 | gokee2 | nvz, nothing |
| 05:31.42 | nvz | gokee2: maybe it was turned off now |
| 05:32.17 | nvz | it came up when I made that statement about pixar, and used the word "at" |
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| 05:32.40 | gokee2 | nvz, Thats nasty |
| 05:33.30 | ideafix | whats nvz suposed to mean ? if you can say it out loud that is ... |
| 05:33.52 | nvz | dpkg, nvz? |
| 05:34.03 | nvz | apt, nvz? |
| 05:34.04 | apt | it has been said that nvz is the village idiot, or a Natural Verified Zonq'er. |
| 05:34.09 | N00b2Debian | will sarge automatically configure my second drive even tho i wrote zeros to it? |
| 05:34.47 | nvz | thats for me and Bill Betts to know, and the rest of you to wonder endlessly |
| 05:35.33 | ideafix | whois Bill Betts ? |
| 05:35.41 | sanxiyn | "there must be a sufficient user base to justify inclusion on all mirrors, defined as 10% of downloads over a sampled set of mirrors" |
| 05:35.42 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 05:36.02 | nvz | an old friend of mine. |
| 05:36.27 | ideafix | im gona torture him till he spits its guts out |
| 05:36.28 | sanxiyn | I think that means only i386. No? |
| 05:36.41 | nvz | he made up nvz, and its what he calls me |
| 05:36.45 | shingouz | sanxiyn: it's not like everything has to be on all mirrors i think |
| 05:37.04 | sanxiyn | shingouz: Sure. |
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| 05:37.39 | nvz | well what he used to call me, when I last spoke to him.. which was probably 3 years or so ago.. I seen him drive by the other day, and tried to hollar at him, but I dont think he heard me. |
| 05:37.46 | sanxiyn | I am quite sure >10% download on mirrors == only i386, for now. |
| 05:37.50 | ideafix | afterwords ill tell him to go thank you |
| 05:37.57 | mud | does anyone know how to get a login manager for gnome i have no option to turn off or restart |
| 05:37.58 | shingouz | sanxiyn: maybe the ppc is there too |
| 05:38.12 | sanxiyn | shingouz: Nope. |
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| 05:38.27 | sanxiyn | shingouz: See http://wiki.debian.net/?ArchitectureUsage |
| 05:38.28 | nvz | mud: apt-get install gdm |
| 05:38.42 | ideafix | dont do that |
| 05:38.54 | ideafix | gdm breaks stuff |
| 05:39.06 | nvz | don't talk bullshit in here |
| 05:39.14 | mud | i tries running gdmsetup but its not there |
| 05:39.20 | nvz | GDM is the Gnome Display Manager, its exactly what he asked for |
| 05:39.40 | nvz | though it has nothing to do with shutting down from gnome. |
| 05:39.47 | ideafix | i hate dms |
| 05:39.52 | nvz | the gnome logout thing IIRC lets you shutdown |
| 05:39.56 | gokee2 | well I gtg (reboot and see if fstab works) |
| 05:39.59 | gokee2 | BRB |
| 05:40.15 | shingouz | gokee2: you do not need to reboot for that |
| 05:40.16 | mud | got gdm thx! |
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| 05:40.39 | ideafix | whats the name of the shell mouse driver ? |
| 05:40.43 | karsten | sanxiyn: There's some discussion of making arch-specific mirrors. |
| 05:41.06 | nvz | ideafix: go read the freenode channel guidelines http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml or something "Avoid advocacy debates." |
| 05:41.13 | shingouz | ideafix: gpm |
| 05:41.15 | nvz | ideafix: gpm |
| 05:41.20 | sanxiyn | karsten: I guessed so. |
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| 05:41.35 | ideafix | gpm breaks stuff |
| 05:41.37 | N00b2Debian | so ... er. is there a way to get sarge via .torrent? |
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| 05:41.49 | nvz | ideafix: like I said before don't talk bullshit in here |
| 05:41.56 | ideafix | it did |
| 05:42.07 | LeBear | users break stuff. |
| 05:42.13 | nvz | ideafix: gpm only breaks things if you try using the mouse device with soemthing else, thats why there is a repeater |
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| 05:42.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: If you need a full install disk set, jigdo. Otherwise, netinst is recommended. |
| 05:42.32 | Motoko | How do I cancel an apt-get que? |
| 05:42.35 | L00thar | Thanx for pointing me back to irssi-text, people. It's a lot better than I remember. Screw the GUI stuff... |
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| 05:42.47 | jetscreamer | !gpm |
| 05:42.48 | dpkg | i guess gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 05:42.56 | nvz | ideafix: users who don't read documentation, break stuff. Thats a statement we can let you get away with |
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| 05:43.10 | sanxiyn | Hm, I thought there was .torrent for d-i, but can't find it now. |
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| 05:43.46 | Motoko | anyone? |
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| 05:43.47 | ideafix | i just did apt-get update and didnt see docs about gpm |
| 05:43.53 | LeBear | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/ |
| 05:43.53 | ideafix | will using it |
| 05:44.02 | sanxiyn | LeBear: Thanks |
| 05:44.04 | LeBear | for the "testing" distribution on CD (all architectures, regenerated weekly) |
| 05:44.08 | LeBear | no probs |
| 05:44.33 | karsten | Motoko: <ctrl>-C |
| 05:44.36 | nvz | dpkg, find doc/gpm |
| 05:44.41 | ideafix | i beleive docs should only be read on a need to know basis |
| 05:44.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'doc/gpm' (1): (/usr/share/doc/gpm/{Announce|FAQ.gz|MANIFEST.gz|...}, /usr/share/doc/gpm/examples/{gpm-syn.conf|gpm-twiddler.conf.gz|t-mouse.el.gz}) in misc/gpm. |
| 05:45.00 | shingouz | ideafix: if you install you need to know |
| 05:45.18 | nvz | ideafix: I believe idiots should only speak when spoken to. however we keep letting you talk in here. |
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| 05:45.44 | sanxiyn | ideafix: So true. |
| 05:45.47 | michael | hey, |
| 05:45.47 | ideafix | im gone let pass because its the vilage fould saying it |
| 05:45.55 | mud | gdm works awesome |
| 05:46.10 | michal_ | geeze.. this is driving me nuts.. why in gods name do i get SLOW connects to machines on the lan? when i say slow I mean that it takes up to 30 seconds for ssh to prompt for a password.. I can't see how name services would be involved on 192.168.100.x |
| 05:46.17 | LeBear | I love seeing intelagence flaimes wen the otter person cant type or spell rite. |
| 05:46.25 | nvz | apt, factinfo nvz |
| 05:46.25 | apt | nvz -- last modified at Thu Nov 6 20:26:39 2003 by coolcat!~HuLLu-JuZ@as175.netikka.fi; it has been requested 8 times, last by nvz, 12m 21s ago. |
| 05:46.29 | michael | im wondering if anyone can give me some help, mainy setting up sound on debian running KDE |
| 05:46.44 | sanxiyn | ideafix: It is true that software needs to be devloped with assumption that users believe docs should only be read on a need to know basis. |
| 05:47.01 | nvz | well that doesn't show it, but I created that factiod |
| 05:47.04 | kaplanfx | michael: are you trying to use arts? |
| 05:47.07 | nvz | for your amusement |
| 05:47.10 | michael | arts being? |
| 05:47.21 | kaplanfx | the kde sound system |
| 05:47.22 | nvz | so go ahead, laugh it up |
| 05:47.31 | michal_ | more to the point i don't understand why on some machinesi can log in quickly but on others i can't.. and it doesn't seem to depend on ANYTHING at all |
| 05:47.35 | michael | i..dont know, to be honest im compeltly enw to linux |
| 05:47.36 | michael | new* |
| 05:47.41 | Motoko | What I mean is, I tried to install a pkg and it's broken, but I need to install something else but it tries to install the other one first |
| 05:47.45 | kaplanfx | michael: do you know what kernel you are using? |
| 05:47.52 | Motoko | how can I cancel the other one? |
| 05:47.55 | michael | ..no |
| 05:48.02 | karsten | Motoko: Don't privmsg |
| 05:48.06 | karsten | !tell Motoko about msg |
| 05:48.07 | kaplanfx | michael: can you open a terminal? |
| 05:48.29 | michael | yea |
| 05:48.29 | kaplanfx | michael: do that and type uname -r |
| 05:48.29 | Motoko | sorry |
| 05:48.29 | kaplanfx | tell me what it says |
| 05:48.29 | michael | in root? |
| 05:48.42 | michael | 2. 4. 27-2-686 |
| 05:48.45 | N00b2Debian | holy god 15 disks for sarge? |
| 05:49.02 | mud | use netinstall |
| 05:49.04 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yes, That's why a netinst is recommended. |
| 05:49.13 | shingouz | N00b2Debian: yup but to install it you only need the netinstall disk if you have a network connection |
| 05:49.18 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: DVD! :-) |
| 05:49.20 | N00b2Debian | so .. then I only need the frist disk right... |
| 05:49.28 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 05:49.28 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 05:49.29 | sanxiyn | N00b2Debian: Yes. |
| 05:49.29 | nvz | N00b2Debian: thats for all of sarge. you can easily get by with the first two for a standard desktop system, and if you have DSL/CABLE or other broadband internet, you can get by with the netinstall |
| 05:49.30 | mud | yup 1 disk |
| 05:49.32 | kaplanfx | michael: ok, im not too familiar with debians 2.4 kernel |
| 05:49.39 | michael | ah ok, |
| 05:49.56 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Packages are arranged across the disks by popularity. |
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| 05:49.58 | kaplanfx | michael: I don't think alsa is included, but im sure someone can tell you for sure |
| 05:50.16 | LeBear | hehhe.. what's on disk 15? |
| 05:50.19 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...you only need the first disk to install. You can install any Debian package over a network connection if you've got it. |
| 05:50.19 | nvz | I just isntalled from cd because I was having network problems where I was working tonight, and it took the first 2 cds to do the "Desktop System" from tasksel |
| 05:50.22 | kaplanfx | michael: alsa would probably be the prefered sound system, but with 2.4 you can use the old system called OSS |
| 05:50.22 | michael | question is who, lol |
| 05:50.31 | michael | ah ok |
| 05:50.41 | sanxiyn | LeBear: I am curious too. |
| 05:50.41 | michael | how do i dtermine what sound system its using atm |
| 05:50.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: *netinst* *is* *recommended* |
| 05:50.48 | N00b2Debian | damn im glad i found you guys :-) |
| 05:51.02 | N00b2Debian | and gals |
| 05:51.07 | sanxiyn | How can one find out whici package is on which CD? |
| 05:51.09 | LeBear | What's the least popular debian package in the entire distro? |
| 05:51.14 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You'll have time to change your mind ;-) |
| 05:51.30 | nvz | !cd-contents |
| 05:51.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'm on dialup and _still_ prefer netinst. |
| 05:51.51 | chealer | LeBear: what a question. look at the end of the last CD :) or see popcon |
| 05:51.56 | N00b2Debian | ok umm torrent of disk one's tracker must be down .. can someone give me http link ? |
| 05:52.01 | kaplanfx | michael: ok, join #flood |
| 05:52.06 | nvz | !cd contents |
| 05:52.06 | dpkg | methinks cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 05:52.09 | michael | on same server? |
| 05:52.10 | N00b2Debian | or whats that jigdo someone said? |
| 05:52.14 | shingouz | karsten: really? on a modem? as in 56kb/sec? |
| 05:52.21 | kaplanfx | michael: yeah |
| 05:52.23 | michael | ok |
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| 05:52.54 | sanxiyn | nvz: Well, for Sarge? |
| 05:53.00 | nvz | N00b2Debian: jigdo can build custom images |
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| 05:53.14 | karsten | shingouz: Well, usually closer to 44kb/s |
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| 05:53.36 | karsten | shingouz: squid and apt-proxy help markedly. |
| 05:53.38 | nvz | sanxiyn: *shrug* I cant imagine why anyone would need to know this stuff.. which is probably why there is no real easy way to figure this out. |
| 05:53.47 | sanxiyn | LeBear: Popcon gives 0 users for many Roxen modules. |
| 05:53.47 | shingouz | karsten: i would not consider installing over the network with a modem but... well... more power to you :) |
| 05:53.54 | nvz | sanxiyn: if you needed a particular package that bad, you wouldnt want to d/l a whole freakin ISO for it anyhow. |
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| 05:54.32 | karsten | shingouz: For initial install, your first package grab tends to run overnight. |
| 05:54.32 | chealer | nvz: why would you want to do that for woody? |
| 05:54.34 | N00b2Debian | I really appreciate yalls help .... I really do tech support for pc's .. well I used to ... I feel like I should be able to do this and maybe i'm just trying to hard lol |
| 05:54.40 | karsten | shingouz: After that, it's relatively sane. |
| 05:54.49 | shingouz | karsten: :) |
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| 05:55.05 | nvz | chealer: if you needed a particular package that bad, you wouldnt want to d/l a whole freakin ISO for it anyhow. |
| 05:55.21 | sanxiyn | LeBear: i.e. libroxen-* |
| 05:55.33 | karsten | N00b2Debian: There's a few things to wrap your head around w/ both Linux and Debian. |
| 05:55.35 | LeBear | sanxiyn: I haven't even heard of it.. |
| 05:55.44 | shingouz | hmmm... apt-proxy sounds like a good idea, maybe i should install it too |
| 05:56.04 | sanxiyn | LeBear: Roxen is a web server written in Pike. |
| 05:56.17 | sanxiyn | LeBear: A quite cool stuff, actually. |
| 05:56.26 | LeBear | ooh. I need one of those. <runs off to download ISO 15. |
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| 05:56.51 | nvz | personally I don't see what purpose apt proxies or cachers server unless you are using stable. or really have a _LOT_ of users downloading the same packages at the same times. |
| 05:56.52 | ideafix | is an oversized zip a virus ? |
| 05:57.01 | peabody_ | I'm trying to setup an install of debian sid from the "debian from scratch" cd using LVM for everything but /boot. Everything works great except I cannot no matter how hard I try, get the installed system to boot. grub just fills my screen with "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB". With /boot being outside my LVM setup and ready to go wit the kernel image from the "debian from scratch" cd, I can't quite fathom why grub won't work. |
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| 05:57.27 | N00b2Debian | woooo.... debian ftp has a nice pipe |
| 05:57.36 | ideafix | isnt a proxie a good addon for a fire wall ? |
| 05:57.52 | mwilson | ideafix: Only if you need one. |
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| 05:58.01 | ideafix | i need |
| 05:58.04 | nvz | ideafix: a proxy, by definition, is something that does something for you. |
| 05:58.10 | nvz | !dict proxy |
| 05:58.45 | nvz | sometimes I think these bots are as useless as tits on a snake |
| 05:59.10 | peabody_ | Does anyone have any background with debian and LVM? |
| 05:59.34 | karsten | nvz: tits on a snake are only useless if you don't have a digicam and a pr0n site. |
| 05:59.38 | nvz | Proxy n. 1. A person authorized to act for another; an agent or substitute. 2. The authority to act for another. 3. The written authorization to act in place of another. |
| 05:59.41 | karsten | peabody_: Some. |
| 05:59.52 | sanxiyn | Hm, openntpd has 0 popcon numbers too. Interesting. |
| 06:00.04 | karsten | peabody_: ...though I'll mostly point you at manuals / docs. |
| 06:00.07 | sanxiyn | (OpenBSD version of NTP daemon) |
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| 06:01.05 | peabody_ | karsten, setup /, /home, and a swap partition in a volume group spanning two disks, I put /boot on a primary partition outside the LVM setup |
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| 06:01.09 | nvz | karsten: well I got a Sony Mavica SD series, but I havent ran a pr0n site since I was like 13 maybe. |
| 06:01.20 | peabody_ | karsten, this was done with the "debian from scratch" cd. |
| 06:01.27 | karsten | nvz: But *snake* pr0n, man... |
| 06:01.30 | nvz | s/SD/FD/ |
| 06:01.46 | ideafix | nvz that not a software proxy discription |
| 06:01.46 | karsten | peabody_: OK. I haven't played with booting on LVM. I think w/ boot outside you're OK. |
| 06:01.57 | ideafix | is an oversized zip a virus ? |
| 06:02.10 | peabody_ | karsten, Everything works except grub, when it runs, it prints "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB ..." on and on, filling the screen, never stopping |
| 06:02.13 | sanxiyn | (ntp-server has >2000 popcon numbers (dependency somewhere I guess?) and even ntp-refclock 63. openntpd 0.) |
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| 06:02.14 | gokee2 | Hey all I redid my fstab and rebooted it mounted hda1 and hda5 but only root can access them and it did not mount hda2 hda6 hda7 and hdb2 any guess? (past bot pasting new fstab) |
| 06:02.15 | ideafix | clamav is bitchin |
| 06:02.17 | shingouz | ideafix: why should it be a virus? |
| 06:02.17 | karsten | peabody_: I've set up one system on LVM. Basically: you define the LVM set itself, define the partitions within it, and set these up. |
| 06:02.20 | paster | "Gokee2" at 24.113.12.97 pasted "New fstab" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/346 |
| 06:02.27 | karsten | peabody_: That sounds unfortunate. |
| 06:02.40 | karsten | peabody_: /boot is /dev/hda1? |
| 06:02.41 | nvz | ideafix: not really, but its the same thing, its a piece of software designed to do something for you.. an HTTP proxy, fetches your HTTP requests for you, and apt proxy, fetches your deb packages for you.. its the same thing |
| 06:02.47 | peabody_ | karsten, yes it is |
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| 06:03.11 | peabody_ | karsten, I ever completel redid my IDE setup just to make sure everything was okay |
| 06:03.30 | ideafix | sounds safer having some one else geting thing for you |
| 06:03.45 | ideafix | that having to fetcht them your self |
| 06:03.48 | N00b2Debian | lol only if you feel you got somethin to hide |
| 06:03.59 | gokee2 | Anybody see anything wrong with my fstab now? |
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| 06:04.14 | ideafix | N00b2Debian: you dont have anything to hide ? |
| 06:04.22 | ideafix | i bet you are a nudist too |
| 06:04.38 | nvz | ideafix: I tried this package once that was an anonomizer proxy, but when I would go to a site like google.com or something it would come up in german and stuff, because my proxies would make me appear like I was surfing from germany |
| 06:04.39 | N00b2Debian | naa.. I figure if someone wants to find me cant be too hard |
| 06:05.12 | sanxiyn | nvz: Google language choice is based on Accept-Language HTTP header, I think. |
| 06:05.16 | nvz | ~info anonproxy |
| 06:05.17 | ideafix | you can over ride that |
| 06:05.21 | karsten | peabody_: ISTR I read through an LVM HOWTO several times working it out. |
| 06:05.31 | ideafix | and that not a good reason |
| 06:05.33 | karsten | peabody_: ...where's GRUB installed to? /dev/hda? |
| 06:05.39 | benjamindees | is anyone successfully using the b44 module with a debian kernel? if so which version? |
| 06:05.52 | peabody_ | karsten, yes |
| 06:06.02 | nvz | *shrug* I dont know what it was called now |
| 06:06.03 | karsten | peabody_: You're also probably going to need an initrd loading the LVM modules before mounting your root FS. |
| 06:06.23 | karsten | peabody_: ...though GRUB should get further than it is from your description, even if you're not doing that. |
| 06:06.41 | karsten | peabody_: Kernel doesn't boot at all -- you're breaking in stage 1 GRUB I think. |
| 06:06.49 | peabody_ | karsten, Yeah, I believe that's covere by the kernel image used from the dfs cd, but even if that wouldn't work, I still would love to get grub to bite |
| 06:07.00 | shingouz | nvz: anon-proxy? |
| 06:07.25 | peabody_ | karsten, Is that the usual error message for that though? printing "grub grub grub grub ..." on and on? |
| 06:07.44 | karsten | peabody_: Frankly, that's first I've heard of it. |
| 06:07.45 | ideafix | i think every one should be anon on the net except you choose not to |
| 06:07.51 | nvz | shingouz: I dont know its not comming up in my cache at all anymore |
| 06:07.52 | peabody_ | karsten, LILO did something similar to me in the past on a different computer, where it printede "1 0 1 0 1 0 ..." on and on |
| 06:07.55 | nvz | ~apt anon-proxy |
| 06:08.00 | nvz | ~apt info anon-proxy |
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| 06:08.12 | shingouz | nvz: it is on sid at least |
| 06:08.16 | nvz | dpkg: info anon-proxy |
| 06:08.17 | dpkg | anon-proxy: (Proxy to surf the web anonymously), section web, is optional. Version: 00.02.39-4 (sid), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 06:08.23 | karsten | peabody_: Yeah. That one I've seen... |
| 06:08.24 | peabody_ | karsten, I eventually fixed that and it was related to a bad IDE setup (or rather, an IDE setup that lilo didn't like) |
| 06:08.30 | nvz | yeah I guess that would be it |
| 06:08.32 | karsten | peabody_: grub info docs have error messages... |
| 06:08.52 | nvz | I am getting confused |
| 06:09.02 | shingouz | nvz: if you like i can paste the apt-cache show on flood for you |
| 06:09.13 | karsten | peabody_: ...though the one you mention's not there. Try 'grub-install /dev/hda' again just for grins. |
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| 06:09.19 | peabody_ | karsten, Well, guess I'll keep reading, it's just that I've been at this all weekend long almost non-stop and I could just scream... |
| 06:09.20 | nvz | shingouz: its no big deal, I know how to find my way to p.d.o |
| 06:09.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 06:09.35 | karsten | peabody_: Been there... |
| 06:09.52 | karsten | peabody_: LVM does some cool stuff, it can also be a PITA. |
| 06:09.53 | ideafix | WZ_Stopwatch_Map_Pack.zip: Oversized.Zip FOUND |
| 06:10.04 | LeBear | I must need a coffee or something.. I'm making a barrel or stupid errors on this script. |
| 06:10.06 | ideafix | clamav reportis it has a virus |
| 06:10.18 | karsten | peabody_: ...how much install do you have on this system yet? |
| 06:10.24 | peabody_ | karsten, Yeah, in this case it isn't even LVM that's the problem it seems to be the bootloader and setup from "debian from scratch" |
| 06:10.26 | shingouz | ideafix: then disinfect it or delete it |
| 06:10.38 | ideafix | but is it a virus ? |
| 06:10.39 | peabody_ | karsten, functional system, I can chroot into it, use aptitude etc. |
| 06:10.43 | karsten | ideafix: Then delete it. Mind: there are exceptionally few viruses affecting Linux. |
| 06:10.48 | shingouz | ideafix: how the hell would i know |
| 06:11.06 | karsten | peabody_: OK. If you can chroot into it, then re-run your GRUB install. |
| 06:11.12 | ideafix | whats this oversized zip ? |
| 06:11.17 | peabody_ | karsten, Done that already, about 10 times |
| 06:11.20 | ideafix | isnt zip virus free ? |
| 06:11.28 | peabody_ | karsten, with different options |
| 06:11.37 | shingouz | ideafix: no, not necessarily |
| 06:11.37 | karsten | ideafix: Stop asking stupid questions. If your AV tool says it's a virus, it probably is. Where'd you get the file? |
| 06:11.45 | karsten | ideafix: No, ZIP isn't fucking virus-free. |
| 06:12.08 | ideafix | i got it at my isp games page |
| 06:12.08 | peabody_ | karsten, my next and last step is probably going to be trying lilo. There weren't instructions in the "debian from scratch" install for a lilo setup, but I've used lilo in the past so I figure it can't be too hard. |
| 06:12.24 | shingouz | ideafix: then go back there to whine |
| 06:12.33 | ideafix | lol |
| 06:12.40 | LeBear | lilo rocks. it's linux's old dependable bootloader. |
| 06:12.49 | karsten | peabody_: You can use either. I tend to prefer GRUB these days, but LILO has its uses too. |
| 06:12.51 | ideafix | much good that would do |
| 06:13.05 | peabody_ | LeBear, at this point I think I agree :-D |
| 06:13.15 | peabody_ | karsten, well, wish me luck |
| 06:13.18 | karsten | ideafix: I'd drop a note to your ISP informing them of the virus then. |
| 06:13.22 | karsten | !luck peabody_ |
| 06:13.25 | LeBear | grub will dump you and poo in your shoe if you don't treat it right.. but lilo will always be there. |
| 06:13.32 | LeBear | it's like the old family dog. |
| 06:13.43 | ideafix | im not gona give them that much satisfaction |
| 06:13.46 | karsten | LeBear: They're each crufty in their own way. |
| 06:13.46 | N00b2Debian | can I ask another question thats sorta one I asked already? |
| 06:14.03 | karsten | ideafix: You're big on denying people satisfaction, aren't you? |
| 06:14.31 | ideafix | not if they do stuff on porpuse to harm you |
| 06:14.40 | LeBear | stupidnick: can we sorta give you the same answer? |
| 06:14.44 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about ask |
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| 06:15.34 | karsten | ideafix: netcabo.pt? |
| 06:15.46 | ideafix | if i told them something like that they would just lough and call me a noob |
| 06:15.59 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.13 | shingouz | foureyes779: ditto |
| 06:16.23 | karsten | ideafix: Well, considering your ISP's RFC-ignorant, they might do that, but they're full of shit. |
| 06:16.27 | foureyes779 | i hope your not paying them |
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| 06:16.57 | foureyes779 | but he gives them the satisfaction of PAYING them every month ? |
| 06:16.59 | karsten | ideafix: http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=netcabo.pt |
| 06:17.05 | ideafix | i cant see how an oversized zip can be a virus !? |
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| 06:17.25 | shingouz | ideafix: do not delete it in that case |
| 06:17.33 | karsten | !ops kick ideafix please |
| 06:17.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick ideafix please |
| 06:17.51 | karsten | ideafix: You're being a fucking idiot, you're rambling, you're repeating yourself, and you're denying the rest of us oxygen. |
| 06:17.51 | shingouz | ideafix: just decide which path you are going to take. either keep the file or rm it ffs |
| 06:17.57 | karsten | ideafix: FFS shut up and go away. |
| 06:18.32 | ideafix | any one has a match ? |
| 06:18.57 | Overand | karsten: i think ideafix is just trolling. |
| 06:19.04 | ideafix | i wanna set my self on fire |
| 06:19.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 772] by debhelper |
| 06:19.04 | shingouz | yea, i use them to light my cigarettes... |
| 06:19.11 | Chameleon22 | whats the comand to unrar a file on linux? unrar -x file fails |
| 06:19.19 | karsten | Overand: *shrug* |
| 06:19.21 | fooz | Chameleon22, no - |
| 06:19.51 | karamelos | I had an error with debuild: "clearsign failed: secret key not available". How can I make shure it can sign a package? |
| 06:19.57 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 06:20.13 | karsten | karamelos: Generate a key. |
| 06:20.23 | karsten | karamelos: man ssh-keygen |
| 06:20.24 | Chameleon22 | fooz: no x? |
| 06:20.31 | fooz | Chameleon22, no - |
| 06:20.32 | N00b2Debian | if anyone lives near me and wants to help me with a hands on install I will grill them a steak dinner =) |
| 06:20.34 | shingouz | Chameleon22: unrar x foo |
| 06:20.37 | fooz | Chameleon22, 'unrar x file' |
| 06:20.38 | Chameleon22 | oh |
| 06:20.40 | fooz | Chameleon22, not 'unrar -x file' |
| 06:20.43 | karamelos | karsten, I have my key generated and stored, I use Seahorse. |
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| 06:20.55 | karsten | karamelos: WTF is seahorse? |
| 06:21.14 | shingouz | N00b2Debian: i'm hungry but i happen to be on the other side of the atlantic. pick up the tab for the airfare too? ;) |
| 06:21.17 | karamelos | karsten, the gnome GUI for gnupg. |
| 06:21.21 | Chameleon22 | # unrar x Qwix101.rar |
| 06:21.22 | Chameleon22 | unrar: invalid archive 'x': Bad address |
| 06:21.35 | Overand | ... |
| 06:21.37 | fooz | Chameleon22, you must have a copy of unrar not made by the rar people. read its manual |
| 06:21.38 | shingouz | man unrar perhaps? |
| 06:21.43 | Overand | or unrar --help |
| 06:21.44 | Overand | or just |
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| 06:21.48 | Overand | unrar filename.rar |
| 06:21.52 | Overand | give that a shot |
| 06:21.54 | Chameleon22 | i have and it says -x |
| 06:21.55 | Chameleon22 | bah |
| 06:22.06 | karsten | Chameleon22: Omaha? |
| 06:22.22 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...um. Omaha? |
| 06:22.27 | shingouz | Chameleon22: there are two different versions of unrar |
| 06:22.29 | N00b2Debian | lol heh.. yes. |
| 06:22.30 | karsten | Chameleon22: NM. |
| 06:22.44 | karsten | Chameleon22: ...note that RAR file formats vary somewhat, some are not compatible with Linux RAR tools. |
| 06:22.44 | Chameleon22 | i just did apt-get unrar |
| 06:22.52 | karsten | !comfort N00b2Debian |
| 06:22.53 | dpkg | There, there, N00b2Debian. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:23.02 | fooz | everything works with the non-free unrar |
| 06:23.02 | foureyes779 | apt-cache search unrar |
| 06:23.09 | shingouz | Chameleon22: unrar-nonfree is the "full" version of the crapware |
| 06:23.11 | karsten | fooz: OK. |
| 06:24.05 | foureyes779 | if you got a .rar from a warez site would it be a RareZ file ? |
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| 06:24.44 | shingouz | foureyes779: yes. and it contains a sheetload of virii and other assorted niceties |
| 06:24.49 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 06:25.04 | foureyes779 | viriirar |
| 06:25.08 | shingouz | :) |
| 06:25.31 | shingouz | foureyes779: rar should actually be renamed to r4r ;) |
| 06:26.17 | alakdan | hello, just want to ask whats the correct syntax for update-rc.d ? Say I want to disable jabber services I tried this update-rc.d jabber start 20 . stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 . but im getting errors |
| 06:27.25 | shingouz | alakdan: and we are supposed to be clairvoyant? what errors you get |
| 06:27.51 | karsten | alakdan: man update-rc.d |
| 06:28.20 | karsten | alakdan: What errors? |
| 06:28.40 | karsten | !tell alakdan about esp |
| 06:28.54 | jm_ | that's a wrong syntax ('.') |
| 06:29.15 | karsten | jm_: Seems right from manpage. |
| 06:29.20 | shingouz | i never knew about the esp factoid. neat |
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| 06:29.52 | karsten | alakdan: Your start needs a runlevel. |
| 06:29.56 | shingouz | the biggest problem is that he never defined the start runlevels |
| 06:29.57 | jm_ | karsten: no, first '.' is missing an argument before it |
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| 06:30.17 | N00b2Debian | can someone explain what the partitions names are for on a 15 gig drive ... and how many I should have ..like whats the root /swap and how do i know how big they should be should they all be ext3 formated?? |
| 06:30.21 | karsten | alakdan: You've given it a priority (20) == NN from manpage. But no runlevel (0-6S) |
| 06:30.26 | William | whats up fellow debian fans! Hello from Iraq! |
| 06:30.27 | karsten | jm_: Right. |
| 06:30.43 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Google 'linux partitioning' |
| 06:30.50 | fruers | Hey, i have a sarge machine that someone has installed some sid packages on, is there a way to find out what they are? |
| 06:30.57 | N00b2Debian | yikes hi William hows it going over there |
| 06:31.06 | William | its ok.... |
| 06:31.12 | William | its hard being a geek in the infantry |
| 06:31.17 | William | no one understands me... |
| 06:31.17 | Guerin | William: watch out for the bombers, eh |
| 06:31.23 | William | oh yeah! |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:31.33 | Guerin | you ARE the bombers... |
| 06:31.35 | N00b2Debian | especailly the US's lol |
| 06:31.54 | fooz | heh |
| 06:31.54 | streuner | !politics |
| 06:31.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
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| 06:31.59 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
| 06:32.03 | Guerin | I'm just having a laff |
| 06:32.21 | N00b2Debian | thanks karsten im off to google |
| 06:32.25 | alakdan | karsten: Im getting the following update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 06:32.33 | karsten | William: Greets, que pasta? |
| 06:32.43 | William | nana |
| 06:32.43 | shingouz | alakdan: you are missing the start runlevels |
| 06:32.52 | karsten | alakdan: [stuff] means values in range of... |
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| 06:33.05 | William | U? |
| 06:33.09 | karsten | alakdan: [0-9S] means any of 0, 1, ..., 9, S |
| 06:33.16 | karsten | alakdan: any *one* of. |
| 06:33.21 | jm_ | heh it even told him what is wrong |
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| 06:33.43 | karsten | jm_: Heh. |
| 06:33.47 | shingouz | alakdan: occasionally the error messages actually tell you what the problem is |
| 06:33.53 | karsten | William: Enjoying civillian unemployment. |
| 06:33.57 | alakdan | shingouz: now Im getting this System startup links for /etc/init.d/jabber already exist. :) |
| 06:34.04 | William | i hear you there karsten... |
| 06:34.12 | William | what did you do??? |
| 06:34.13 | LeBear | Ahhhhhhhh |
| 06:34.18 | LeBear | man.. I feel better now. |
| 06:34.35 | shingouz | alakdan: so? they are there already, shouldnt be an error if you are trying to make it start |
| 06:34.35 | karsten | LeBear: please remember to flush. |
| 06:34.40 | LeBear | I have a script to dig through my centericq logs and print out the urls on a webpage in a nice clickable format. |
| 06:34.47 | karsten | William: Programming, sysadmin, teaching.... |
| 06:34.55 | LeBear | I wonder if the putty dude takes requests... |
| 06:34.59 | William | ahhh ic |
| 06:35.00 | nvz | que pasta sounds like a mexican-italian resturant |
| 06:35.06 | William | i was there for awhile |
| 06:35.12 | karsten | LeBear: slick. |
| 06:35.24 | alakdan | shingouz: Im trying to disable the jabber service on startup. |
| 06:35.31 | karsten | nvz: Just a personal expression. Right up there with "gaspacho" when someone sneezes. |
| 06:35.49 | nvz | karsten: sounds like aplace that would server Meatball burritos |
| 06:35.55 | LeBear | karsten: I icq on a little 486 laptop.. do everything else on my other box. Was annoying to have to ssh to my server, open the log file, copy the url, open mozilla and paste.. |
| 06:36.05 | shingouz | alakdan: then you have to *remove* the links. man update-rc.d, it is there at about the first ten lines |
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| 06:36.26 | William | hey all...i was wondering...is there a way that i can set up an allotment to contrib to debian with cash??? |
| 06:36.28 | LeBear | I changed from micq to centericq some time back and never fixed my icq url script. But now I have. And I feel better :) |
| 06:36.34 | jm_ | alakdan: you need to use -f switch if the script in /etc/init.d exists and you're about to remove runlevel entries, it's in the man page |
| 06:36.49 | karsten | LeBear: Dig. |
| 06:36.58 | alakdan | jm_: shingouz: thanks a lot guys :) |
| 06:37.18 | karsten | William: Possibly through paypall or something. I think there's a donations link at http://www.debian.org/ Might also consider supporting Freenode (this IRC network). |
| 06:37.24 | eduardo | I JUST INSTALL MEPIS HAVING TROUBLE UPDATING SOFT |
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| 06:37.38 | shingouz | eduardo: dont shout |
| 06:37.40 | karsten | William: http://freenode.net/fundraiser.shtml |
| 06:38.08 | shingouz | eduardo: then there is the minor thing that mepis is not debian. |
| 06:38.10 | karsten | !tell eduardo about mepis |
| 06:38.13 | fooz | what's everyone's favorite programmable MUD driver? |
| 06:38.15 | William | thanks |
| 06:38.51 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 06:38.52 | karsten | William: Where you at in IQ? |
| 06:39.09 | LeBear | I'm at about 150some... |
| 06:39.18 | N00b2Debian | bleh i used to work for paypal i so mad they let me go |
| 06:39.25 | eduardo | thanks out |
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| 06:39.39 | William | baqubah |
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| 06:39.54 | William | is an intelligence? |
| 06:40.05 | William | here IQ means iraq |
| 06:40.15 | karsten | William: IQ == country code. |
| 06:40.21 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 06:40.30 | Overand | IQ -- intelligence quotient, and also the country code for Iraq |
| 06:40.33 | Overand | among other things i'm sure |
| 06:40.36 | William | ba'qubah |
| 06:40.50 | karsten | William: 1st? |
| 06:40.54 | foureyes779 | haha |
| 06:41.03 | William | its 35 miles se of bagdad |
| 06:41.05 | foureyes779 | i was woiondering why you were asking his IQ ? |
| 06:41.07 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 06:41.07 | LeBear | I wonder if it's safe to read the news yet. That jackson face thing is freakish to look at.. |
| 06:41.18 | William | for iraq...yes first |
| 06:41.29 | shingouz | LeBear: /ignore jackson? |
| 06:41.37 | fooz | i think the world needs a high performance compiling MUD driver |
| 06:42.12 | Overand | actually |
| 06:42.17 | Overand | there's that funky moo project |
| 06:42.19 | foureyes779 | !dpkg MUD |
| 06:42.19 | dpkg | hmm... mud is clear as aklein., or a Multi User Dungeon, which is a real-time text-based internet role playing game (see aaw, aardwolf) |
| 06:42.20 | Overand | that uses the unix filesystem |
| 06:42.22 | alakdan | is there a way of disabling a service without removing the corresponding script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 06:42.23 | fooz | the unix moo thing? |
| 06:42.29 | fooz | yeah. bleh. it's kinda weird |
| 06:42.31 | Overand | yeah |
| 06:42.32 | fooz | doesn't seem safe at all. |
| 06:42.35 | Overand | but at least a nifty concept |
| 06:42.41 | Overand | in theory it's very safe |
| 06:42.43 | Overand | but only in theory |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | William: what's it like there in iraq, all my hilarious jocularity aside |
| 06:42.47 | N00b2Debian | thanks for the help .. iwhen i come back i'll try not to be such a noob |
| 06:42.48 | cafuego | WHich moo? Lambda? |
| 06:42.49 | foureyes779 | !dpkg aklein |
| 06:42.49 | dpkg | [aklein] at http://turnblue.net/ or a Bowie freak or always up for a movie or very Little Bunny FooFoo-like, or obsessed with NPR |
| 06:42.55 | William | its not bad... |
| 06:42.57 | Overand | in theory all applications are 'safe' if file permissions etc are set right. but obviously that's not the safe |
| 06:43.00 | shingouz | alakdan: not quite the way it is supposed to be done but you can rename the script |
| 06:43.00 | Guerin | I'm planning a road trip through that way in about 12 months |
| 06:43.01 | William | most of the people here like us here.. |
| 06:43.01 | Overand | s/safe/case |
| 06:43.02 | fooz | cafuego, no. the unix moo thing.. 'verbs' are pieces of code, 'rooms' are directories.. |
| 06:43.04 | foureyes779 | geez, that helped |
| 06:43.07 | William | and they want us to help. |
| 06:43.12 | fooz | lambdamoo's quite secure |
| 06:43.13 | William | they hate the insurgents... |
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| 06:43.33 | William | i brought several copies of debian to spread to the people here... |
| 06:43.35 | cafuego | William: I thought they were freedom fighters, not insurgents. |
| 06:43.36 | Overand | cafuego: http://mooix.net/ |
| 06:43.36 | Guerin | so it's a small but erm, vocal, minority |
| 06:43.38 | fooz | any extensions to it are not, though :) the code for some of those is horrible |
| 06:43.38 | William | its my second gospel! |
| 06:43.45 | BigBlockO | i'm trying to set up a debian box to use to administer my home network for my mother when i'm away at college |
| 06:43.48 | cafuego | William: Whereas the foreign troops are occupants. |
| 06:43.53 | William | i wont get into that...but thats what the people here call them |
| 06:44.01 | William | no they dont see it that way. |
| 06:44.02 | BigBlockO | and i'm trying to figure out whether i should put the box behind the firewall or not? |
| 06:44.10 | fruers | Hey, i have a sarge machine that someone has installed some sid packages on, is there a way to find out what they are? |
| 06:44.13 | William | they are very kind to us here... |
| 06:44.13 | fooz | americans see them as seeing it that way |
| 06:44.17 | fooz | so who really knows :) |
| 06:44.24 | William | thats what they tell me |
| 06:44.27 | fooz | err.. well.. not americans maybe |
| 06:44.29 | cafuego | William: Yes, most people are friendly when you carry a gun <heh> |
| 06:44.33 | karsten | William: Sweet. Were you part of the Linux in Iraq effort? |
| 06:44.35 | alakdan | shingouz: will it be safe that I just manually delete the jabber symlinks contained on /etc/rc?.d directories just to prevent jabber from starting up? |
| 06:44.40 | Guerin | William: how unsafe is it for regular (civilian, non-affiliated) travelers? |
| 06:44.42 | Overand | I don't think 'Americans' can be generalized that widely, and neither can Iraqis. |
| 06:44.51 | William | i tried...but they tell me its infantry here... |
| 06:44.53 | shingouz | alakdan: no. do it the debian way |
| 06:44.56 | karsten | William: ...one of the local LUGs shipped books. SW was subject to crypto regs though. |
| 06:44.58 | Guerin | I mean, I know my country'd diplomatic sevice has a travel warning out |
| 06:45.14 | William | right now its ok...but the insurgents will kill anyone here to take out colition forces... |
| 06:45.15 | chealer | fruers: yes, check the APT HOWTO around section 3.10 or man apt-show-versions |
| 06:45.20 | William | so when it gets hot...it wil change... |
| 06:45.20 | alakdan | shingouz: the debian way would be uninstall/purge it? |
| 06:45.24 | chealer | urg |
| 06:45.30 | BigBlockO | anyone have any suggestions about what to do? |
| 06:45.31 | Guerin | but they don't target randoms, it's just a collateral thing? |
| 06:45.41 | shingouz | alakdan: nope, it would be with the update-rc.d |
| 06:45.43 | William | brb |
| 06:45.44 | chealer | patience is a one minute virtue |
| 06:45.53 | BigBlockO | :) |
| 06:46.13 | alakdan | shingouz: which means I delete the script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 06:46.13 | shingouz | BigBlockO: just keep it behind the firewall and forward one port for ssh |
| 06:46.34 | karsten | BigBlockO: If you put the box behind the FW you may have to forward an SSH port. If you _only_ expose SSH, you should be pretty sane. Particular w/ RSAKey auth only. |
| 06:46.34 | shingouz | alakdan: no. absolutely not. read the frigging manual |
| 06:46.45 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 06:47.06 | shingouz | alakdan: you *could* also rename *not delete* the script there |
| 06:47.10 | karsten | BigBlockO: ...and if you're outside the FW, you have to figure out how you're getting inside it. What's Mom running? |
| 06:47.19 | BigBlockO | BSD |
| 06:47.25 | BigBlockO | she's on OSX |
| 06:47.30 | BigBlockO | for one box |
| 06:47.35 | BigBlockO | and Windowz for another |
| 06:47.36 | William | ok im back |
| 06:47.37 | BigBlockO | for work |
| 06:47.44 | karsten | BigBlockO: ...one option is to dual-home, spanning the FW, but not forwarding. Security risk, but relatively small. |
| 06:47.45 | William | so what ever happened to the whole SCO thing??? |
| 06:47.53 | BigBlockO | i was thinking that |
| 06:48.02 | BigBlockO | so i'd have two ethernet ports |
| 06:48.06 | alakdan | shingouz: ok. I guess ill just rename it :) |
| 06:48.13 | BigBlockO | one connected behind the firewall, one in front of it |
| 06:48.16 | karsten | BigBlockO: Do you need to touch those boxes or just the network config? |
| 06:48.29 | BigBlockO | i need to touch the boxes |
| 06:48.36 | karsten | William: http://sco.iwethey.org/ It's imploding nicely. |
| 06:49.01 | BigBlockO | i need to be able to use VNC on the mac and Windows Remote Administration on the other |
| 06:49.18 | karsten | BigBlockO: For 'Doze, you can use 'rdesktop' client to access it directly. Or VNC. VNC allows shared desktop, rdesktop doesn't. You'll also want to tunnel VNC over ssh outside the net. |
| 06:49.37 | BigBlockO | yea |
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| 06:49.39 | karsten | BigBlockO: aptitude install rdesktop. Gives Windows Remote Desktop. That's got built-in security. |
| 06:50.05 | benjamindees | William, SCO won, Linux is dead; MS has started suing people for using Gnome on OpenSolaris... |
| 06:50.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:50.21 | karsten | William: http://www.groklaw.net/ has a *ton* more detail, but it's hard to get an overview. Latest is that Canopy kicked out Yarro and a few others. |
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| 06:50.24 | William | benjamindees:lol |
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| 06:50.46 | karsten | benjamindees: Sell me a bridge, *please*! |
| 06:50.50 | BigBlockO | so install rdesktop |
| 06:50.51 | Guerin | not much has changed in the last 6 months or a year or so, in real terms |
| 06:51.05 | Guerin | except that the media has tired of it, and the lawyers are still getting rich |
| 06:51.06 | BigBlockO | and set up the box to be both inside and outside the firewall? |
| 06:51.14 | William | from my dead cold hands...i will never give up this OS! |
| 06:51.18 | karsten | BigBlockO: Right. You're going to want that where you're at _now_. Tunnel that through your Debian box on the DMZ. |
| 06:51.36 | karsten | Guerin: Um. Lawyers have been capped. |
| 06:52.09 | BigBlockO | Tunnel rdesktop through the debian box on the DMZ |
| 06:52.24 | cafuego | whoops |
| 06:52.43 | BigBlockO | on me? |
| 06:52.54 | William | that was cold cafuego |
| 06:52.58 | karsten | BigBlockO: Yeah, port forward from the DMZ to the 'Doze box. Same for VNC. |
| 06:53.12 | BigBlockO | so don't put it outside the firewall |
| 06:53.27 | karsten | BigBlockO: Define "it". |
| 06:53.32 | Guerin | karsten: really? hah |
| 06:53.33 | BigBlockO | the debian box |
| 06:53.54 | karsten | BigBlockO: Um. Yes, it has to be outside the FW. |
| 06:53.54 | BigBlockO | i can either put it inside or straddle it |
| 06:54.07 | BigBlockO | ok |
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| 06:54.11 | karsten | BigBlockO: outside == straddle, FWIW. |
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| 06:54.14 | GWB|homework | all join #distro-debate |
| 06:54.24 | LeBear | why? |
| 06:54.43 | BigBlockO | well, when you say straddle, you mean use two IP addresses |
| 06:54.49 | BigBlockO | one on the inside and one on the outside |
| 06:54.52 | karsten | GWB|homework: stop trolling. |
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| 06:55.00 | Guerin | GWB|homework: your homework is to learn to stop lying |
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| 06:55.32 | Nigel | heh |
| 06:55.42 | Nigel | *choke* |
| 06:55.53 | LeBear | he's right.. I should use gentoo.. brb.. I gotta go reinstall 4 boxen. |
| 06:55.58 | PlanarPlatypus | does anyone know a way fo find out what /dev/ device names will be assigned to which harddisk without booting the kernel in question? |
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| 06:56.44 | BigBlockO | so use port forwarding to forward the ssh port from the router to the debian box |
| 06:56.54 | shingouz | PlanarPlatypus: they should be assigned according to the ide channels or scsi id's |
| 06:56.57 | LeBear | PlanarPlatypus: sure. hda is primary master.. hdb primary slave.. hdc secondary master, hdd secondary slave.. |
| 06:57.00 | LeBear | and so on.. |
| 06:57.06 | ideafix | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 06:57.16 | BigBlockO | or put the debian box on both sides of the firewall, and get in from the outside and go through |
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| 06:57.28 | karsten | PlanarPlatypus: RTFDocs -- hda == primary master, *b == p-slave, *c == s-m, *d == s-s |
| 06:57.32 | PlanarPlatypus | LeBear, what about if it is SATA and sda and sdb don't seem to want to play |
| 06:57.37 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 06:57.37 | shingouz | PlanarPlatypus: unless you are running an mca IBM there that ripls |
| 06:57.45 | LeBear | ahh. I don't do sata. Can't say. |
| 06:57.47 | karsten | ...does that mean /dev/hdc is the S'n'M drive? |
| 06:57.53 | cafuego | karsten: Don't be confusing with pointers ;-) |
| 06:58.26 | fooz | kinky |
| 06:58.32 | William | later fellow debian hackers...have a good day!!! Thanks to all who make debian possible! |
| 06:58.34 | karsten | PlanarPlatypus: SCSI assignments are handled by your SCSI controller (LUN assignments) and driver load order. |
| 06:59.01 | fooz | pbi? |
| 06:59.24 | karsten | PlanarPlatypus: For some SATA drives (onboard controllers) you'll get /dev/hd[efgh] |
| 06:59.33 | LeBear | The Poking Buffalo Inquiry |
| 06:59.43 | fooz | ah. All is made clear now. |
| 06:59.48 | karsten | cafuego: I've just heard that dinner has spurned your advances. |
| 06:59.49 | cafuego | karsten: only with a crusty old kernel. New ones use scsi device names. |
| 07:00.00 | karsten | cafuego: Ah. |
| 07:00.49 | cafuego | Guerin: make a pile of papers and blow at the pile... |
| 07:01.18 | Guerin | i almost fell over when I saw it, since all the other bachines in the room are package-deal samsung x86 with win98 on them |
| 07:01.23 | ideafix | were can i get the debian CeBIT poster as wallpaper ? |
| 07:01.24 | shingouz | Guerin: dcc send it to me, i think i would be able to do somthign with it |
| 07:01.35 | karsten | Guerin: Doorstop? |
| 07:01.39 | cafuego | ideafix: Go to CeBIT and ask |
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| 07:01.49 | Guerin | karsten: it's holding up a UPS |
| 07:02.06 | karsten | Guerin: Gravity mitigator works. |
| 07:02.20 | Guerin | shingouz: nono, the main thing is actually letting me use it... |
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| 07:02.35 | cafuego | karsten: it's a multitasking OS, it should be able to do both ;-) |
| 07:02.37 | shingouz | Guerin: irc terminal for the loo? |
| 07:02.42 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 07:02.59 | cafuego | paperweight, AG unit and doorstop. |
| 07:03.05 | karsten | cafuego: Since it's networked, it should also be able to serve as a remote doorstop. |
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| 07:03.16 | ideafix | cafuego: like CeBIT just around the corner ! |
| 07:03.21 | cafuego | That would be the most USEFUL uktra10 ever... |
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| 07:03.27 | karsten | cafuego: Do you know if it can run as a doorstop server? Is doorstopd ported to Ultra10 yet? |
| 07:03.29 | Nigel | i know this sounds kinda stupid but i downloaded that grub bootsplash package, but basicly it does nothing, can't find any docs for how to even add the splashes |
| 07:03.35 | Guerin | maybe I'll say I need it to write some perl |
| 07:03.43 | Guerin | since everyone knows you can't write perl on windows |
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| 07:04.01 | fooz | doorstopd was initially developed on an Ultra10, wasn't it? |
| 07:04.03 | ideafix | cant write perl in windows !? |
| 07:04.06 | karsten | Nigel: Like this: # splashimage = (hd0,0)/grub/grub-earthrise.xpm.gz |
| 07:04.06 | cafuego | Guerin: You can install CoLinux and write perl on that. |
| 07:04.07 | Guerin | hell no |
| 07:04.17 | karsten | Nigel: ...less the '#' which is a comment. |
| 07:04.24 | shingouz | out of curiosity, what would the ultra 10 compare to in the intel world? |
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| 07:04.38 | cafuego | shingouz: 386 sx 25 |
| 07:04.42 | shingouz | eek |
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| 07:04.45 | karsten | fooz: No, it started off on the Cobalt Qube. I've actually seen the engineering prototype. |
| 07:04.52 | jm_ | Nigel: Debian's GRUB package has splash support, at least in Sarge |
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| 07:05.16 | cafuego | shingouz: Hey don't mock it, I used to run flightsim on one of those/ |
| 07:05.21 | brlancer | cafuego: hardly - it's closer to a pentium II or so |
| 07:05.47 | fooz | yeah |
| 07:05.48 | cafuego | brlancer: A P2 is pretty much identical to a 386 from my Athlon64's point of view ;-) |
| 07:05.49 | brlancer | I've had friends use Ultra5's as desktops |
| 07:05.56 | MobyTurbo | I ran flightsim on an Apple II. ;-) |
| 07:06.00 | shingouz | cafuego: i'm not, i have three IBM P70 luggables here just waiting for me to get the inspiration to install something on them. most likely debian |
| 07:06.14 | fooz | i'd like an ultra 10 |
| 07:06.23 | karsten | brlancer: Aren't they a bit narrow? You can't get your knees under 'em. |
| 07:06.25 | fooz | P70? touchscreen ones? |
| 07:06.25 | cafuego | fooz: Guerin has a spare one... |
| 07:06.29 | jm_ | why? most ultra10-s ar ecrap, with IDE drives |
| 07:06.29 | Guerin | the sun website says 300-440mhz with 512-2048 cache |
| 07:06.30 | Nigel | what about a preview? |
| 07:06.32 | fooz | cafuego, can't afford to pay for it |
| 07:06.34 | shingouz | fooz: nope |
| 07:06.42 | fooz | shingouz, ok |
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| 07:06.50 | fooz | I guess that was T70 |
| 07:06.52 | fooz | or something |
| 07:06.54 | cafuego | fooz: As long as Guerin can I don't see that being an issue |
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| 07:07.21 | shingouz | fooz: 386 luggable with mca and esdi drives topping out at 60M |
| 07:07.30 | fooz | sweet |
| 07:07.38 | jm_ | yes, that's about right, we have a bunch of 440MHz Ultra 10-s, with UltraSparcIIi CPU-s |
| 07:07.39 | fooz | i think i've seen one before |
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| 07:08.06 | fooz | luggables are neat.. i forgot to bring some crazy 386 luggable with a plasma screen(!) with me when I moved :/ |
| 07:08.12 | shingouz | fooz: the P70's fit in nicely with all the rest of the PS/2 hardware i have here |
| 07:08.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:08.29 | Guerin | i got some more atm-malfunction photos |
| 07:08.42 | Guerin | these ones running os/2 last updated in july 1998 |
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| 07:08.57 | Guerin | it was in a permanent reboot-and-self-check loop |
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| 07:09.04 | spdf | Who makes it? |
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| 07:09.10 | Guerin | and I DO have a korean bank account now :( |
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| 07:10.50 | jclinton | What's a good GTK IDE? |
| 07:11.09 | Guerin | gnome-terminal -e emacs |
| 07:11.15 | jclinton | Monodevelop seems unfinished |
| 07:11.25 | jclinton | Guerin, funny but not an IDE |
| 07:11.29 | bloom | jclinton: gvim |
| 07:11.29 | fooz | maybe xemacs-gtk |
| 07:11.32 | Guerin | emacs is so an ide |
| 07:11.39 | Guerin | it's more of an ide than many ides |
| 07:11.51 | jclinton | *sigh* |
| 07:11.59 | fooz | jclinton, why is it not an IDE? |
| 07:12.03 | shingouz | jclinton: if you really want a GUI: anjuta? |
| 07:12.06 | fooz | jclinton, you're not qualifying what you're asking for very well. |
| 07:12.11 | jclinton | shingouz, thank you |
| 07:12.20 | jclinton | there's only one definition of IDE |
| 07:12.24 | fooz | jclinton, Emacs is an IDE, and you can get GTK-looking Emacses |
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| 07:12.27 | jclinton | zealots: no thank you |
| 07:12.36 | Guerin | integrated development environment, which emacs very much is |
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| 07:12.40 | fooz | yeh |
| 07:12.46 | fooz | Emacs was an IDE probably before the term IDE was coined |
| 07:12.54 | nvz | well I got the query and results parsing data I need to make my mass phone number query script. I guess its time for bed... I will need more details on the type of input my script will recieve and the type of output it needs to generate before I actually start coding it :P |
| 07:13.25 | fooz | or before Emacs ran on a machine leaving enough memory free to open a buffer to type 'Integrated Development Environment' into without running out of memory |
| 07:13.32 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:13.59 | jclinton | I didn't ask for everyone to share their favority development program. I'm looking specifically for a GTK IDE. That's what I asked. |
| 07:14.04 | fooz | jclinton, uh. |
| 07:14.06 | jclinton | Nevermind my purposes. |
| 07:14.07 | fooz | jclinton, we ANSWERED your question |
| 07:14.11 | Guerin | and you've been given several |
| 07:14.21 | Guerin | and all in fine humour, too |
| 07:14.36 | fooz | jclinton, You haven't told us WHY our answers aren't good enough for you (so that we could suggest something else, or give up) |
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| 07:14.36 | valdyn | jclinton: the gtk version of emacs is painful i hear.. |
| 07:14.40 | jclinton | I could do without the evangelism of your favorite text editor. |
| 07:14.40 | Xsquared | hi |
| 07:14.41 | shingouz | with some vintage sarcasm inbetween |
| 07:14.58 | fooz | jclinton, my favorite text editor's nvi, actually |
| 07:14.59 | Guerin | jclinton: it's not a text editor, it's an IDE |
| 07:15.02 | fooz | jclinton, emacs is my favorite IDE, though |
| 07:15.07 | Guerin | that's when it's not being an OS |
| 07:15.12 | fooz | Guerin, hehe |
| 07:15.18 | Guerin | or a kitchen sink |
| 07:15.21 | nvz | jclinton: what were you expecting, a WYSIWYG IDE, like MS Visual Basic .NET? |
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| 07:15.43 | fooz | jclinton, if your definition of IDE is wrong (if Emacs doesn't fit, it MUST be wrong) then you have to tell us what your definition IS |
| 07:15.54 | fooz | jclinton, likewise for GTK |
| 07:15.57 | mrhemlock | xemacs is the best for my needs |
| 07:16.00 | fooz | but I don't know what else GTK could be |
| 07:16.02 | shingouz | he *did* mention GTK |
| 07:16.11 | nvz | if you cant code, then you dont need an IDE |
| 07:16.14 | valdyn | maybe hes looking for glade, but thats no idea either |
| 07:16.30 | foureyes779 | QTdesigner |
| 07:16.31 | valdyn | s/idea/IDE/ |
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| 07:16.41 | visual_ | heyy |
| 07:16.46 | nvz | if you can code, there is no reason a fine text editor wont do the job |
| 07:16.49 | fooz | Gangrenous Taco Kibble |
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| 07:16.52 | jclinton | See, here you all go making assumptions. I just happen to be looking for an GTK IDE. That's all. |
| 07:17.02 | fooz | jclinton, that's what xemacs-gtk is. |
| 07:17.06 | valdyn | jclinton: fucking define what you want from an ide |
| 07:17.07 | jclinton | I don't want you to tell my why I shouldn't use it. |
| 07:17.10 | shingouz | stop teasing the man :) |
| 07:17.10 | Guerin | and you've been told several! your search is over! |
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| 07:17.15 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 07:17.23 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 07:17.32 | foureyes779 | you guys are awful..... |
| 07:17.37 | foureyes779 | hahaha |
| 07:17.44 | shingouz | yes, they all need some caffeine |
| 07:17.47 | fooz | shingouz, we're not teasing. we're trying to figure out WTF he's smoking |
| 07:17.53 | shingouz | hehe |
| 07:17.55 | jclinton | fooz, fuck you |
| 07:18.11 | foureyes779 | another satisfied customer |
| 07:18.12 | shingouz | i'll go smoke a cigarette. good ol' baccy |
| 07:18.14 | valdyn | oh, eclipse runs on gtk too |
| 07:18.16 | Guerin | on second thoughts, it makes him stupid, argumentative and aggressive, so I don't really want any |
| 07:18.19 | valdyn | thats an IDE? |
| 07:18.25 | Overand | the fact of the matter is, using a graphical IDE *can* improve productivity for some people |
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| 07:18.28 | Overand | valdyn: haha |
| 07:18.31 | Overand | =] |
| 07:18.34 | foureyes779 | !dpkg IDE |
| 07:18.34 | dpkg | hmm... ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 07:18.41 | fooz | insulting someone and quitting immediately after.. doesn't that cause erectile dysfunction? |
| 07:18.53 | Overand | fooz: no, silly. It's like e-viagra |
| 07:18.55 | Guerin | it's a symptom |
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| 07:18.58 | Overand | insulting and then leaving adds inches to the penis. |
| 07:19.16 | Guerin | not the penis of the one who does it, though |
| 07:19.26 | Overand | heh |
| 07:19.27 | shingouz | yea because the penis gets stuck in the doorjamb? |
| 07:19.43 | foureyes779 | fuck all of you |
| 07:19.43 | Guerin | don't let the door hit you on the penis on your way out |
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| 07:19.53 | shingouz | heh |
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| 07:19.54 | nvz | jclinton: anjuta |
| 07:20.06 | Guerin | foureyes779: /nick fourinches779 |
| 07:20.09 | foureyes779 | dint werk |
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| 07:20.15 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 07:20.21 | shingouz | nvz: you already mentioned it before you guys started pestering him |
| 07:20.38 | visual_ | hmm |
| 07:20.43 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.44 | visual_ | on debian, how can i log into unix shell |
| 07:20.45 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 07:20.45 | nvz | shingouz: I did? |
| 07:20.50 | visual_ | without starting desktop env. |
| 07:20.52 | shingouz | nvz: uhh. *i* mentioned it, not you. i need some caffeine |
| 07:20.52 | Overand | ... |
| 07:20.57 | Guerin | visual_: type your user/pass at the login: prompt |
| 07:20.59 | nvz | shingouz: heh. |
| 07:21.02 | Overand | visual_: do you mean you want to remove the 'graphical login' screen? |
| 07:21.03 | shingouz | and a smoke for that matter |
| 07:21.08 | visual_ | Overand yeah |
| 07:21.12 | Guerin | !tell visual_ about nodm |
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| 07:21.14 | visual_ | to log into shell |
| 07:21.18 | nvz | yeah I could use a smoke, but its too late for that. |
| 07:21.21 | Overand | remove xdm, kdm, or gdm from your startup |
| 07:21.27 | visual_ | k |
| 07:21.30 | Overand | personally, i do a nice apt-get remove (whichever) |
| 07:21.37 | lawnchair | i never had such a webpage |
| 07:21.39 | lawnchair | apologize sit |
| 07:21.41 | lawnchair | SIR |
| 07:21.53 | Overand | uh |
| 07:22.08 | Overand | lawnchair: care to give us some context for that, or was that meant to go to another channel? |
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| 07:22.21 | lawnchair | ill lea ve that up to you |
| 07:22.28 | lawnchair | mr. mister |
| 07:22.29 | Guerin | lawnchair: badgers |
| 07:22.38 | Overand | Mushroom Mushroom |
| 07:22.41 | Overand | SNAAKE. |
| 07:22.43 | Overand | etc. |
| 07:22.58 | Beginner1 | hi, I'm a beginner that's having lots of troubles on my system (such as totem movie player never starting up, or the gaim accounts always disappearing, etc...) and have no clue how to fix them any help? |
| 07:23.08 | visual_ | hmm how i remove gdm from startup? |
| 07:23.11 | Guerin | !opaat |
| 07:23.11 | dpkg | i guess opaat is One Problem At A Time, or the best way to fix almost anything. |
| 07:23.14 | nvz | oh well I am off to bed, I got to work on programming a python script to look up phone numbers for about 3,000 or more people tomorrow :P |
| 07:23.21 | Overand | Beginner1: check dmesg to see if you're getting disk errors |
| 07:23.24 | shingouz | !tell Beginner1 about ask |
| 07:23.32 | fooz | nvz, google phonebook |
| 07:23.36 | Guerin | visual_: read the damn nodm factoid I sent you |
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| 07:24.05 | visual_ | Guerin ok |
| 07:24.09 | nvz | fooz: its for a political campaign.. I already got a list of names, I need the phone numbers that go with them |
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| 07:24.26 | Beginner1 | Overand, how do i check dmesg? |
| 07:24.37 | Overand | Beginner1: go to a console, type: dmesg |
| 07:24.37 | shingouz | man dmesg |
| 07:24.42 | fooz | nvz, yeah.. that's what google phonebook does |
| 07:24.55 | fooz | nvz, see if they have some kind of API, or make a screen scraper |
| 07:24.59 | Overand | if your drive is *hosed* you might see that right away |
| 07:25.04 | Overand | actually |
| 07:25.21 | Overand | you can you do an fsck w/o 'write access' just to check the filesystem, right? |
| 07:25.23 | nvz | fooz: I can give it a list of 3,000 names and it will supply me with a list of 3,000 phone numbers? I asked earlier if there were such a thing, before I started working on a python script to reap infospace.com |
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| 07:25.40 | nvz | fooz: I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here :P |
| 07:25.42 | fooz | nvz, no, you can give it 1 name and get any matching phone numbers |
| 07:25.46 | fooz | nvz, and repeat that, 3000 times |
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| 07:25.51 | nvz | fooz: fuck that |
| 07:25.56 | Overand | google probably has a web service |
| 07:26.00 | Overand | so you might be able to hit that |
| 07:26.06 | Overand | web services are *great* |
| 07:26.06 | nvz | fooz: I am scripting this job |
| 07:26.07 | Guerin | nvz: it's a one-liner in bash |
| 07:26.09 | visual_ | hmm is it dumb to uninstall DE while running it:/ ? |
| 07:26.16 | nvz | Guerin: oh? |
| 07:26.18 | visual_ | im currently using tasksel to get rid of gnome and such |
| 07:26.18 | fooz | nvz, yes.. script it to hit google 3000 times |
| 07:26.19 | visual_ | :/ |
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| 07:26.39 | Overand | if you want to play nicely, though, you should hit google's webservice instead of their site |
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| 07:26.49 | Guerin | nvz: a while loop with 3000 iterations and 300 bits of data as input |
| 07:26.52 | Overand | but they may not have the phonebook API exposed via the webserivce |
| 07:26.59 | huliganz | hey |
| 07:27.13 | huliganz | how to get lilo boot menu if i got trouble with booting new kernel ? |
| 07:27.13 | nvz | Guerin, fooz I will look for this google service.. it may be easier than the infospace.. though I already d/l the infospace html source and drawn up an outline for my query and results parsing code. |
| 07:27.25 | fooz | http://www.google.com/apis/ |
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| 07:27.33 | fooz | they don't list what the APIs let you DO |
| 07:27.37 | fooz | maybe the download says |
| 07:28.01 | shingouz | huliganz: when you see lilo hit left shift |
| 07:28.25 | huliganz | shingouz thanks! |
| 07:28.27 | nvz | fooz: I am not a programmer, I probably cant write a friggin google api. I was going to script something to hit a freakin cgi script 3000 times |
| 07:28.38 | fooz | nvz, heh |
| 07:28.47 | fooz | well then, just make a screen scraper |
| 07:28.57 | nvz | fooz: I dont know what that means |
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| 07:29.03 | Overand | nvz, you don't need to write an API... |
| 07:29.05 | fooz | nvz, leech a web page, parse numbers out of it |
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| 07:29.08 | Overand | web services are *easy* |
| 07:29.19 | Overand | This is one area where windows is at least 'nice' |
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| 07:29.30 | Overand | visual studio.net makes it painfulyl simple to consume a web serivce |
| 07:29.33 | nvz | Overand: no shit, I know what an API is.. you use the API to write the program.. but the point is, I dont have any programming skills |
| 07:29.37 | Overand | but it's still very very easy on the nix platform |
| 07:29.47 | fooz | it's probably too much for him |
| 07:30.06 | Overand | yeh unless he's got a library that's designed to 'help' |
| 07:30.15 | Overand | not gonna wanna write out his own XML |
| 07:30.15 | Overand | heh |
| 07:30.17 | Overand | etc. |
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| 07:30.27 | nvz | the library only works if you understand the language its written in |
| 07:30.33 | Guerin | quick and dirty++ |
| 07:30.53 | nvz | I dont even understand html, I just know enough to have picked out the significant bits |
| 07:30.55 | Henning | Just get straight down to business and learn perl. |
| 07:30.59 | fooz | nvz, well, they're WEB SERVICES APIs. That means you connect, upload a piece of XML, get a piece of XML back, and open it up |
| 07:31.04 | fooz | nvz, there is no "language" |
| 07:31.13 | nvz | eww xml :P |
| 07:31.17 | fooz | nvz, you use your own web services library (whichever one you want, there are hundreds) |
| 07:31.23 | fooz | and google uses their own |
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| 07:31.55 | Chameleon22 | how can i unrar a file without using unrar utility from apt-get |
| 07:32.06 | jm_ | by using rar utility ;) |
| 07:32.06 | shingouz | Chameleon22: you cant |
| 07:32.16 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.33 | Chameleon22 | crap |
| 07:32.35 | ledet | raghu: try |
| 07:33.12 | nvz | I'll give it a look, but I am half way there with the infospace thing. I hit up http://kevdb.infospace.com/home/white-pages/kevdb with the arguments kcfg=wpus, otmpl=%2Fwhite-pages%2Fresults.htm, searchtype=zip, QN=LastName, QF=FirstName, qz=zip, then parse that html file for the phone number. |
| 07:33.12 | raghu | ledet: sorry it is remote system ...if something screws ...i will not able to reinstall or * |
| 07:33.19 | nvz | dump it back into the source file |
| 07:33.23 | shingouz | Chameleon22: you need the unrar-nonfree to be able to uncompress the stuff you have there if you are still working on the same file you were about an hour ago |
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| 07:33.51 | nvz | I am not sure I will grok this other way, but I will give it a shot. |
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| 07:34.02 | Beginner1 | Overand, dmesg showed me no disk errors |
| 07:34.02 | deucehaus | does anyone have a samsung ml-1740? i can't get it to print in gimp |
| 07:34.08 | ledet | raghu: then test it locally first |
| 07:34.10 | Chameleon22 | shingouz: i am mate, where can i get it ? |
| 07:34.15 | visual_ | Ok what stuff i need to run IceWM, without any desktop utilities like GDM/Xfree etc. |
| 07:34.18 | ledet | raghu: or take your chances |
| 07:34.25 | shingouz | Chameleon22: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 07:34.27 | visual_ | What should i download b4 using icewm as WM? |
| 07:34.50 | valdyn | visual_: you need xfree |
| 07:35.12 | visual_ | but if i want icewm to boot up autom. and have a login screen? |
| 07:35.14 | visual_ | should i need gdm? |
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| 07:35.24 | shingouz | Chameleon22: ouch, looks like that is only in sid :( |
| 07:35.25 | valdyn | visual_: gdm or xdm or kdm |
| 07:35.32 | hexxeh | or sdm or wdm |
| 07:35.33 | Chameleon22 | shingouz: i am on sid :) |
| 07:35.33 | valdyn | visual_: where xdm is the lightest |
| 07:35.40 | visual_ | ok thx |
| 07:35.45 | shingouz | Chameleon22: if you are, apt-get install it |
| 07:35.56 | nvz | I am going for the path of least resistance here, so if this google shit can do it with less work, I am there. |
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| 07:36.01 | Chameleon22 | shingouz: whats the url to it ? i dont think i got source defined for it getting an error, whats the url? |
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| 07:36.28 | shingouz | Chameleon22: did you even *try* apt-get install unrar-nonfree? |
| 07:36.32 | zOOz | where could i get the posibility to create CNAME records for my hosts. (something like no-ip o dyndns)? |
| 07:37.00 | Chameleon22 | shingouz: yes |
| 07:37.14 | shingouz | Chameleon22: what errors you got out of it |
| 07:37.28 | jm_ | Chameleon22: you need an entry for non-free in sources.list, run apt-setup |
| 07:37.39 | Chameleon22 | # apt-get install unrar |
| 07:37.40 | Chameleon22 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 07:37.40 | Chameleon22 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 07:37.40 | Chameleon22 | unrar is already the newest version. |
| 07:37.40 | Chameleon22 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
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| 07:37.42 | nvz | the method of lookup is only half the battle anyhow. I still have to pull the names from an Excel spreadsheet, then dump the phone numbers back into the spreadsheet next to them. |
| 07:37.44 | jm_ | moron |
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| 07:37.51 | jm_ | can't read either |
| 07:37.51 | Chameleon22 | sorry |
| 07:38.01 | Beginner1 | My Gaim accounts list keeps disappearing and my totem movie player keeps shutting down as soon as I start it |
| 07:38.08 | shingouz | Chameleon22: unrar-nonfree, not unrar |
| 07:38.20 | Guerin | Beginner1: start totem from a shell and see what errors it gives |
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| 07:38.34 | Chameleon22 | shingouz: err wrong window hold up |
| 07:38.39 | shingouz | Chameleon22: apt-cache search unrar (you will see two different packages) |
| 07:39.04 | Beginner1 | Guerin, it says can't read /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 07:39.16 | Guerin | one pint of virtual beer says he hasn't got the non-free sources |
| 07:39.23 | MobyTurbo | !moron Chameleon22 |
| 07:39.24 | dpkg | Chameleon22: You are moron #48 |
| 07:39.27 | Guerin | Beginner1: does that file exist? |
| 07:39.32 | shingouz | Chameleon22: do not msg me please. in anycase you need to apt-get update too |
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| 07:40.00 | Chameleon22 | just showed the output no need to insult |
| 07:40.03 | shingouz | !tell Chameleon22 about unrar-nonfree |
| 07:40.17 | Beginner1 | no |
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| 07:41.11 | Beginner1 | Guerin, no it doesn't exist, but I don't see why totem needs to be looking at a cdrom file |
| 07:41.12 | Guerin | Beginner1: is /proc mounted? |
| 07:41.29 | nvz | well this google shit limits you to 1,000 queries per day. and I know I have more than 1,000 and I am only going to do this once. |
| 07:41.30 | Guerin | Beginner1: totem is stupid; that might be part of the reason |
| 07:41.55 | Beginner1 | Guerin, well I can see the contents of /proc/sys/dev/ |
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| 07:42.12 | shingouz | i'd better go do sometihgn constructive for a change. laterz |
| 07:42.12 | nvz | and parsing xml is just as much of a PIMA as parsing html, so I dont see it saving me any time or effort |
| 07:42.17 | Beginner1 | and cdrom isn't in there (I don't have a cdrom hooked up right now) |
| 07:42.37 | Guerin | no cdrom... that might be why it can't see that file |
| 07:42.54 | Guerin | still, it's braindead if it failsbecause it needs a cdrom |
| 07:43.02 | Beginner1 | Guerin, yeah, but it was working without me having a cdrom earlier |
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| 07:43.45 | visual_ | hmm how i check free hdd space in terminal |
| 07:43.50 | nvz | anyway, I will know more about the input and the desired output tomorrow, which will help me decide the logistics of it all |
| 07:43.51 | visual_ | without "quota" command working |
| 07:43.54 | shingouz | df -h |
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| 07:44.07 | Guerin | ]beguse xine directly, or xine-ui, and see if that works |
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| 07:44.13 | Guerin | since totem is just a fr0ont |
| 07:44.42 | C13H21NO3 | Any bootsplash users here? |
| 07:44.58 | visual_ | hmm i wanna uninstall my debian completely and reinstall it |
| 07:45.01 | visual_ | what should i do? |
| 07:45.15 | nvz | C13H21NO3: just ask your question, don't take useage polls to isolate helpers |
| 07:45.21 | sic | rm -rf / then reinstall |
| 07:45.41 | Beginner1 | Guerin, neither xine, nor xine-ui worked as commands, (command not found) |
| 07:45.49 | nvz | C13H21NO3: if nobody answers, try again another time/day or submit to a mailing list. |
| 07:46.35 | Guerin | gah, must be gstreamer then |
| 07:46.49 | Guerin | Beginner1: apt-cache search xine; start installing real media players |
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| 07:47.00 | Fenderx | hey |
| 07:47.13 | Fenderx | I'm looking at getting some fairly expensive hardware, anyone know any good canadian online stores? |
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| 07:52.02 | mud | how do i burn cds in gnome im used to kde k3b |
| 07:52.40 | hexxeh | mud, the same as you would under XP, if i recall correctly. you could always just use k3b |
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| 07:53.38 | jm_ | nautilus can burn CD-s I think, I have no idea how good it is |
| 07:53.58 | karsten | mud: No reason you can't use k3b. |
| 07:54.02 | hexxeh | no good ones. nautilus itself sorta works, but is far from comprehensively featured |
| 07:54.09 | karsten | What's the port used by DHCP? |
| 07:54.17 | mud | groovy k3b it is |
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| 07:54.40 | sfinks | karsten - 67 I think.. |
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| 07:55.18 | jm_ | no |
| 07:55.19 | karsten | sfinks: Thanks. |
| 07:55.28 | mud | if not what? |
| 07:55.32 | hexxeh | i use k3b. |
| 07:55.33 | jm_ | cdrecord and growisofs |
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| 07:56.08 | carnage | how do i watch a .wmv file? |
| 07:56.17 | karsten | mud: cdrecord here. |
| 07:56.31 | karsten | carnage: non-free xine or mplayer, I think. |
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| 07:59.47 | karsten | sfinks: RFC 1531, FYI. |
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| 08:00.38 | karsten | sfinks: crud. That means DHCP and BOOTP are both on the same port? |
| 08:01.25 | jm_ | karsten: yes |
| 08:01.27 | hexxeh | carnage, with VLC, or mplayer. having w32codecs helps |
| 08:01.57 | karsten | jm_: This gets back to an issue I've got w/ trying to run thin clients on a network with an extant DHCP server. |
| 08:02.14 | karsten | jm_: Trying to find a way to deal w/ thin clients w/o having to touch extant server. |
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| 08:03.12 | jm_ | karsten: I've used bootp server a few times I needed netboot |
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| 08:03.50 | karsten | jm_: Yeah, I'm looking for a mechanism here. Prolly a boot floppy, next stage becomes...interesting. |
| 08:04.05 | C13H21NO3 | I can't get midi oss emu working. Works fine in Mandrake so I know it is not a hardware issue. It appears that I have everything I need in alsa-base. |
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| 08:04.19 | jm_ | karsten: why floppy? |
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| 08:04.53 | karsten | jm_: School lab, existing builds. |
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| 08:05.02 | prologic | Why does the tv sound not turn off when I exit xawtv ? (Philips SAA7130 tv tuner) |
| 08:05.07 | karsten | jm_: floppy is prolly easier than messing around with other stuff. |
| 08:05.08 | DrakSha | whats the delete command in debian? |
| 08:05.22 | karsten | DrakSha: rm |
| 08:05.34 | streuner | DrakSha: for packages 'man apt-get' |
| 08:05.42 | jm_ | karsten: well ideally you would netboot them |
| 08:06.17 | karsten | jm_: netboot => bootp/dhcp. Can't be netbooting systems outside the lab. Don't want to deal with race conditions w/ the existing dhcp server. |
| 08:06.26 | karsten | jm_: Ergo: No netboot. Boot floppies. |
| 08:06.42 | karsten | jm_: ...and just FYI, I'm getting tired of explaining that. |
| 08:07.13 | DrakSha | tar xvf the right extract command? |
| 08:07.29 | streuner | DrakSha: /msg dpkg tar |
| 08:07.34 | karsten | DrakSha: what's the name of the tarfile? |
| 08:07.40 | jm_ | karsten: you could just ignore the clients on existing server, but you know best what's best for you, so I won't mention this again :) |
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| 08:07.58 | DrakSha | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.59 | karsten | jm_: I've got no access to the existing server. |
| 08:08.13 | C13H21NO3 | DrakSha tar jxvf |
| 08:08.19 | karsten | jm_: Goal: minimum intrusion, minimum client config. |
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| 08:08.26 | C13H21NO3 | DrakSha tar jvf |
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| 08:08.45 | jm_ | karsten: ahh, well in that case floppy is probably the best choice (if we put stupid reliability issues on the side for now_ |
| 08:08.54 | karsten | DrakSha: man tar. Different compression methods have different options. Or you can pipe through the decompression program. 'z' == gzip, 'j' == bzip2. |
| 08:09.03 | karsten | jm_: Yes. That's what I've been saying. |
| 08:09.07 | karsten | jm_: ...for about two weeks now. |
| 08:09.34 | DrakSha | tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options |
| 08:09.47 | karsten | DrakSha: man tar |
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| 08:12.24 | karsten | jm_: I'm looking at LG 68 "Making an X Terminal from a PC" which uses a boot floppy + bootp. |
| 08:12.39 | karsten | jm_: Question being whether or not bootp and dhcp interfere. |
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| 08:15.12 | jm_ | karsten: DHCP is an extension to BOOTP, I wouldn't mix them |
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| 08:16.22 | karsten | jm_: That's sort of how I'm leaning. |
| 08:16.32 | karsten | jm_: This is getting to be a PITA. |
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| 08:17.08 | karsten | jm_: OTOH, it's possible that if both servers fire, and only the BOOTP server gets the desired effect.... |
| 08:17.26 | jm_ | karsten: well why don't you first try if existing DHCP server handles your new clients at all? |
| 08:17.38 | karsten | jm_: ...or is it possible to support a split response. One server provides IP, the other gives the BOOTP info.... |
| 08:17.57 | karsten | jm_: It already handles 'em as 'Doze boxes. |
| 08:18.09 | karsten | jm_: It just doesn't hand them a Linux root FS ;-) |
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| 08:20.07 | karsten | jm_: You wouldn't happen to know what the bootp option in 2.6 kernels is? I don't have sources here. kernel.org? |
| 08:20.46 | karsten | jm_: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=1534 Interoperation Between DHCP and BOOTP |
| 08:20.58 | jm_ | karsten: what do you mean with bootp option for 2.6? |
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| 08:21.47 | karsten | jm_: The Gazette article mentions a BOOTP option to allow the kernel to request bootp at startup... |
| 08:22.07 | karsten | jm_: "IP:BOOTP support under IP:kernel level autoconfiguration in Networking options" |
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| 08:23.25 | jm_ | karsten: that has always been nfsroot |
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| 08:24.45 | karsten | jm_: I don't find any 'nfs.*root' w/ 'grep -i' on /boot/config-2.6.7-1-686 |
| 08:25.09 | jm_ | karsten: CONFIG_IP_PNP |
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| 08:25.50 | karsten | jm_: OK. |
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| 08:28.29 | rata | hi |
| 08:28.35 | blackmariah | I have a CD in my CD drive. The CD was never mounted since it's either blank or dead in some way. The eject command doesn't work because you can't eject something that isn't mounted and the CD won't mount. I can't turn off my computer to get it out. Any ideas? |
| 08:28.50 | rata | i am having problems with the command 'iptables-save' |
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| 08:29.09 | rata | it does not load my iptables configuration at startup |
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| 08:29.11 | karsten | blackmariah: Wrong. You *can* eject something that's not mounted. |
| 08:29.21 | karsten | blackmariah: 'sudo eject' or otherwise run as root. |
| 08:29.43 | karsten | rata: What are you using for your FW? |
| 08:29.56 | karsten | rata: hand-rolled, or a FW tool like shorewall? |
| 08:30.12 | blackmariah | Fucking hell that's dumb. |
| 08:30.22 | rata | karsten, i run my script with my iptables configuration |
| 08:30.25 | karsten | blackmariah: Pardon? |
| 08:30.45 | rata | karsten, and it works |
| 08:30.51 | karsten | rata: A lot of folks just rerun their FW script rather than load saved tables. |
| 08:31.06 | rata | karsten, :-? |
| 08:31.08 | karsten | rata: It'll take a second or two to load, but should be OK. |
| 08:31.10 | idnar | blackmariah: you don't actually need to be root, you just need access to the device (eg. being in the 'cdrom' group, or somesuch) |
| 08:31.32 | karsten | blackmariah: Got it ejected? |
| 08:31.36 | blackmariah | karsten: Thanks for the help. I'm just dumbfounded at the level of stupidity displayed by that necessity to be root to eject a CD that isn't mounted when I can eject one that IS mounted just fine. |
| 08:31.47 | blackmariah | Without being root, that is. |
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| 08:32.09 | karsten | blackmariah: It's possible that your mount command gives you user access. |
| 08:32.24 | rata | karsten, but i dont want to run the script at startup, i prefer to use the tools that the distribution give me |
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| 08:32.46 | karsten | blackmariah: ...device perms can change as you mount/access devices. What idnar said though. |
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| 08:33.10 | karsten | rata: Whatever, dude, I'd do what works instead of what's asthetic. |
| 08:33.22 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | can someone help me with my nessus installtion |
| 08:33.29 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | nessus -adduser |
| 08:33.29 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | nessus: error while loading shared libraries: libnessus.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:33.45 | rata | karsten, sorry, i am not good at english. What did you say ? |
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| 08:33.52 | karsten | blackmariah: add a group 'cdrom' if it doesn't exist. Add yourself to that group. chgrp your cdrom to that user. chmod g+rwx your CDR device. |
| 08:33.56 | jim | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: what did you install and how did you install it |
| 08:34.03 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | i installed from source and followed all directions |
| 08:34.21 | karsten | blackmariah: ...you should be able to 'eject' now as non-root. You'll have to log in and out to have the group take effect for your user. |
| 08:34.27 | karsten | rata: Stop making life difficult for yourself. |
| 08:34.30 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | libnasl-2.2.3.tar.gz |
| 08:34.34 | blackmariah | karsten: I'm not going to go to the trouble. I'm getting a new computer tomorrow and switching to Windows. |
| 08:34.40 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | nessus-core-2.2.3.tar.gz |
| 08:34.41 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | nessus-libraries-2.2.3.tar.gz |
| 08:34.41 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | nessus-plugins-2.2.3.tar.gz |
| 08:34.45 | rata | karsten, jeje |
| 08:34.53 | karsten | blackmariah: OK. |
| 08:35.02 | rata | karsten, but it more 'elegant' |
| 08:35.26 | karsten | rata: Sure. Sometimes "it works" is "elegant" enough. |
| 08:35.30 | blackmariah | karsten: Thanks for the help. |
| 08:35.41 | rata | karsten, :) |
| 08:35.42 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
| 08:35.43 | karsten | blackmariah: NP. |
| 08:35.52 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | jim i also tried ldconfig |
| 08:35.54 | blackmariah | I had a PS1 disc stuck in there the other day and had to reboot the damn system to get it out. :| |
| 08:35.56 | karsten | rata: You can troubleshoot the problem once you've got a workaround solution. |
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| 08:36.26 | karsten | blackmariah: Reason for all that fuss, BTW, is you've got a fully multiuser OS. |
| 08:36.39 | blackmariah | i know. |
| 08:36.41 | karsten | blackmariah: I used to ssh into my buddy's PC, halfway around the planet... |
| 08:36.51 | karsten | blackmariah: ...and run his CD tray in and out. |
| 08:37.02 | blackmariah | I've been running Linux for three years now. Only since I switched to Debian have I had any trouble with the CD drive like this. |
| 08:37.03 | karsten | blackmariah: Eventually he removed me from the 'cdrom' group. |
| 08:37.08 | blackmariah | lol |
| 08:37.13 | blackmariah | I would have too. ;) |
| 08:37.40 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | any ideas jim or anyone |
| 08:38.07 | TerminX | blackmariah: heh, sometimes my DVD-ROM just kind of randomly fails to read.. even though it's just about brand new and the hardware is in perfectly working order |
| 08:38.10 | jim | .tar.gz? those aren't debian packages... |
| 08:38.24 | karsten | blackmariah: It's a security precaution. There's a few deals like that which take some getting used to. Once you understand the underlying u/g/o r/w/x security model, it's pretty clear what's going on. |
| 08:38.31 | jim | which would make it necessary to look into the details further |
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| 08:39.17 | TerminX | it's notorious for freezing up at the "using libdvdread" line or whatnot when I try to watch a DVD on it (in any DVD app) |
| 08:39.26 | blackmariah | I understand it quite clearly. That doesn't mean it makes sense though. |
| 08:39.27 | karsten | blackmariah: 'lsof' and 'fuser' can also track down who's got a file/device in use. |
| 08:39.28 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | jim : i coudln't find debian packages for the current version of nessus |
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| 08:39.43 | karsten | blackmariah: Then you fail to understand, grasshopper. |
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| 08:39.55 | blackmariah | No, I don't. Trust me on this one, mmmkay? |
| 08:40.12 | blackmariah | A rational explanation doesn't need to make sense. ;) |
| 08:40.25 | karsten | blackmariah: I trust you fine, but you still pay cash. |
| 08:40.51 | blackmariah | What I don't understand is why exactly you need CD drive security. |
| 08:41.08 | karamelos | a package failed to install and now it's preventing me from installing other packages. How can I get rid of this? |
| 08:41.10 | jim | if you need that then lock the room |
| 08:41.11 | blackmariah | That's never made sense. |
| 08:41.40 | karsten | blackmariah: So random users halfway across the world don't DOS you (umount/eject CD when you're using it) or mount and load random executables. |
| 08:41.43 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | lol jim, i just wanted to have all the newsest options |
| 08:41.59 | karsten | blackmariah: If I can load media, I can run a program. If you allow SUID, I can go root. |
| 08:42.16 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | ok so, in order to install the .deb i need to competly un-install everything i have installed up to this point? |
| 08:42.19 | jim | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: but look at it this way... how can we help if we don't know exactly what you have? |
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| 08:42.30 | karsten | blackmariah: So you need to be able to exclude users. Which generally means: start by excluding all. Then include those you select. |
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| 08:42.52 | jim | this is ok tho, don't get me wrong... but if you do your own thing, you are the only one who knows it |
| 08:43.18 | jim | and so when it comes time to ask questions about things that go wrong, guess who the person to ask is? |
| 08:43.27 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | so what would you recommend |
| 08:43.34 | karsten | jim: /msg dpkg esp |
| 08:43.47 | blackmariah | If someone has physical access to my computer I'm going to be more worried about the fact that someone has broken into my house/place of business than I am that they're trying to 0wn me. |
| 08:43.51 | karsten | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: Heavy drinking. |
| 08:44.08 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | lol i was hopeing it wouldn't come to that |
| 08:44.11 | karsten | blackmariah: They don't need local access, not that that would hurt, though. |
| 08:44.14 | jim | that's your answer for everything :P |
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| 08:45.38 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | should i un install the instaltion of nessus i have now and re install using debs |
| 08:45.54 | karamelos | I want to install A but get a dependency error from a package that failed to install earlier. How can I remove that issue from apt "memory"? |
| 08:46.09 | blackmariah | Okay, this is where I'm at a loss... |
| 08:46.21 | karsten | karamelos: Get that package to install properly. |
| 08:46.24 | valdyn | blackmariah: apt-get -f install |
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| 08:47.23 | blackmariah | nevermind, actually... I'm not going to get into that |
| 08:47.24 | valdyn | karamelos: ^^^ |
| 08:47.38 | blackmariah | The explanations would make my brain leak out of my ears. |
| 08:48.04 | karsten | blackmariah: Rats. |
| 08:48.15 | valdyn | blackmariah: just use windows, its insecure by default, so you should be fine |
| 08:48.18 | karsten | blackmariah: I haven't feasted on freshly-leaked brain for a couple of weeks now. |
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| 08:48.46 | karsten | blackmariah: What distros have you been running (prior to / other than Debian)? |
| 08:49.33 | blackmariah | Mandrake, Redhat 8, Fedora Core 1, and Slackware for a short time (couple of days after a crash) |
| 08:49.48 | blackmariah | I can't remember what Mandrake version. |
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| 08:51.28 | blackmariah | All over about a three year period. |
| 08:51.45 | karsten | OK |
| 08:52.04 | blackmariah | And insecure by default doesn't mean "insecure when I'm done with it" ;) |
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| 08:53.36 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | is there a place where i can download debian package without apt-get |
| 08:53.54 | jm_ | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: yes, Debian mirrors |
| 08:54.10 | visual_ | hey |
| 08:54.13 | visual_ | any1 help me? |
| 08:54.18 | visual_ | i got problem while configurin icewm |
| 08:54.18 | blackmariah | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: umm.... packages.debian.org? IIRC... |
| 08:54.29 | visual_ | it tells me: configure: erorr: X window System not found! |
| 08:54.35 | valdyn | [CX]-sw0rdsavy: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:54.41 | [CX]-sw0rdsavy | thx |
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| 08:55.11 | karsten | blackmariah: OOooh! |
| 08:55.14 | valdyn | visual_: told you to install xfree ( apt-get install x-window-system ) |
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| 08:55.33 | karsten | blackmariah: ...*please* post videos of the explosion. What's your primer of choice? Dynamite? C4? AmNi? |
| 08:55.40 | SniperX[deb] | How do i set permissions on a folder so only a certain group can look inside it? |
| 08:55.47 | valdyn | visual_: or a little lighter : "apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86" |
| 08:56.01 | blackmariah | karsten: Shotgun. Dawn of the Dead style. |
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| 08:56.13 | visual_ | valdyn hmm i installed it using xinstall from xfree homepage:( |
| 08:56.16 | karsten | blackmariah: Sweet. |
| 08:56.23 | valdyn | visual_: now that is crazy |
| 08:56.35 | visual_ | btw is fluxbox low resource consuming? |
| 08:56.36 | karsten | SniperX[deb]: chmod 750 <dir>; chgrp <groupname> <dir> |
| 08:56.38 | visual_ | same fast as icewm? |
| 08:56.46 | blackmariah | visual_: yes |
| 08:56.52 | karsten | visual_: Yes. |
| 08:56.52 | SniperX[deb] | ty |
| 08:56.58 | valdyn | visual_: remove your custom X install first, i know nothing about it however |
| 08:57.03 | visual_ | valdyn ok |
| 08:57.53 | visual_ | any1 knows how to remove my custom x install? |
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| 08:58.19 | snow_man | which x server are you using? |
| 08:58.25 | karsten | visual_: 'rm' or variants thereof. Depends on where you put it. |
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| 08:58.45 | visual_ | snow_man 4.2.20 |
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| 08:59.05 | sontek | To upgrade from a woody install I just edit my source list and change "stable" to "sarge" and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade correct? |
| 08:59.23 | valdyn | visual_: the documentation to do this should have come with your X packages from wherever |
| 08:59.37 | karsten | sontek: s/sarge/unstalble/ if you plan on staying with unstable. But yes, what you said if you just want to jump to sarge early. |
| 08:59.48 | valdyn | sontek: not exactly /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:00.15 | valdyn | sontek: apt-get "breaks" on it somehow, you probably dont want to deal w/ that |
| 09:00.21 | karsten | sontek: stable/testing/unstable will automatically upgrade when Debian produces a new release. Release names (woody/sarge/etch) _won't_ upgrade. |
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| 09:00.58 | visual_ | i cant find nothing at all about uninstallation |
| 09:00.58 | karsten | sontek: ...modulo what valdyn said. Upgrading works in theory. |
| 09:01.23 | valdyn | sontek: using "sarge" is good, "testing" will probably break alot after sarge is released |
| 09:01.31 | karsten | visual_: What X server are you running? From where? How did you install it? |
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| 09:02.39 | sontek | is sarge always going to be sarge or will they rename it to woody once its stable? |
| 09:02.51 | numist | hmm... I cant seem to get xfree86 to display in any resolution other than 640x480.. any ideas? |
| 09:02.56 | numist | sontek: it will always be sarge |
| 09:02.59 | valdyn | sontek: release names never change |
| 09:03.01 | numist | sontek: woody will go to the archives |
| 09:03.10 | karsten | sontek: sarge will always be sarge. |
| 09:03.20 | karsten | sontek: 'Sid' is always unstable though. |
| 09:03.22 | visual_ | well i got it removed |
| 09:03.27 | visual_ | i checked the installation script |
| 09:03.34 | visual_ | and then i used rm to remove it |
| 09:03.54 | karsten | sontek: Now: sarge=>unstable. At release: sarge=>stable. After next release: sarge=>oldstable. |
| 09:04.00 | visual_ | now im wondering should i use fluxbox or icewm or something else |
| 09:04.04 | numist | anyone? 640x480 is _really_ annoying |
| 09:04.08 | visual_ | what do you like best? |
| 09:04.20 | karsten | visual_: Try 'em. Use what you like. |
| 09:04.21 | valdyn | numist: how did you set up your X ? |
| 09:04.31 | karsten | numist: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:04.31 | numist | valdyn: net install script did it all |
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| 09:04.41 | valdyn | numist: then just do what karsten said |
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| 09:04.53 | karsten | numist: 'lspci | grep -i vga' for your videocard. |
| 09:05.05 | valdyn | numist: pick whatever resolutions, if higher ones dont work, come back |
| 09:05.07 | numist | its vesa, I know that already |
| 09:05.22 | karsten | numist: ...and use an appropriate driver. Try cranking your refresh and color depth *down* to see what max res you can get. Then start bumping things up. |
| 09:05.32 | numist | hmm |
| 09:05.36 | karsten | numist: vesa == no acceleration. If the card is anything other than ancient, you can do better. |
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| 09:05.54 | karsten | numist: Mind: ISA cards won't list on PCI, but those are ancient. |
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| 09:05.59 | numist | its ancient, trust me |
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| 09:06.13 | numist | its not isa though |
| 09:06.30 | karsten | numist: Paste the 'lspci | grep -i vga' line here. |
| 09:06.30 | jeff_ | hey..i am currently on ubuntu. i would like to upgrade to debian sarge, is there a way to do this without loosing my home directory |
| 09:06.32 | valdyn | numist: which one is it? |
| 09:06.37 | visual_ | wich one is the faster fluxbox or icewm? |
| 09:06.39 | numist | 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 09:06.49 | valdyn | jeff_: reinstall, backup your /home |
| 09:06.55 | karsten | jeff_: Best I understand, it's not a clean upgrade. |
| 09:06.59 | visual_ | i got crap comp (p2 333mhz, with 64ram, 8mb ati rage pro) |
| 09:07.02 | blackmariah | visual_: I'd say flux because I hate icewm. ;) |
| 09:07.05 | karsten | jeff_: However, no reason to lose /home. |
| 09:07.07 | numist | this is a crap old ati |
| 09:07.10 | visual_ | blackmariah whats wrong with icewm |
| 09:07.12 | numist | karsten: paste is above |
| 09:07.18 | jeff_ | ah |
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| 09:07.29 | blackmariah | visual_: The way it works feels wrong to me. |
| 09:07.31 | rob^ | visual_, whats right? |
| 09:07.41 | blackmariah | You might dig it though. |
| 09:07.42 | numist | karsten: that *is* vesa, right? |
| 09:07.48 | karsten | numist: Dig. |
| 09:07.54 | valdyn | jeff_: is home on its own partition? |
| 09:08.05 | jeff_ | nope |
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| 09:08.10 | numist | karsten: eh? |
| 09:08.27 | karsten | numist: Affirmative. == Dig |
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| 09:08.32 | numist | ah ok |
| 09:08.41 | valdyn | jeff_: then you got to back it up anyway ( cp -a /home/ /diffdisksmountpoint/ |
| 09:08.52 | valdyn | jeff_: then you got to back it up anyway ( cp -a /home/ /diffpartitionssmountpoint/ |
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| 09:09.26 | numist | karsten: bus identifier? leave empty? |
| 09:09.38 | karsten | numist: Yeah. |
| 09:10.03 | jeff_ | valdyn, so say i partion my drive to temporally store home |
| 09:10.09 | karsten | numist: A screen prior, is there an i810 option for driver? |
| 09:10.24 | jeff_ | i install debain over everything, then i can copy the information from mount partition back to the orignal |
| 09:10.31 | jeff_ | and make it all one partition again? |
| 09:10.34 | jeff_ | :) |
| 09:10.34 | numist | karsten: might have been |
| 09:10.41 | valdyn | jeff_: temporarily if you want, though i would just put home on a seperate partition once and for all |
| 09:10.43 | visual_ | blackmariah help me to install fluxbox? i dunno how to use *.deb file? |
| 09:10.58 | numist | karsten: no way to go back though :/ |
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| 09:11.00 | karsten | numist: Complete the config, save it, restart and check that you're using the i810 driver. |
| 09:11.02 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 09:11.11 | jeff_ | the only thing stopping me is i dont know how much space i should accolate to / and /home |
| 09:11.17 | karsten | numist: Configure for 800x600 first, check if that works. Then amp up your settings. |
| 09:11.19 | numist | karsten: thought it was vesa driver? oh hell Im confused |
| 09:11.27 | valdyn | jeff: what do you have available? |
| 09:11.27 | karsten | numist: Yeah, no back-navigation, just go forward. |
| 09:11.36 | valdyn | jeff_: what do you have available? |
| 09:11.38 | karsten | numist: I'm finding i810 via Google. |
| 09:11.42 | jeff_ | 38 gigs |
| 09:12.05 | spdf | i810 is for intel chipsets.. he has an ati rage.. |
| 09:12.05 | visual_ | how do i install fluxbox using *.deb package? |
| 09:12.07 | numist | simple or medium characteristics screen? |
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| 09:12.21 | spdf | numist, medium.. |
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| 09:12.31 | valdyn | karsten: 5-10 for / |
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| 09:12.46 | valdyn | jeff_: 5-10 for / |
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| 09:12.59 | spdf | Er... |
| 09:13.00 | numist | hm... what bit depth should I go for? |
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| 09:13.04 | numist | .... |
| 09:13.07 | jeff_ | fuck man |
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| 09:13.09 | spdf | numist, 800x600x16 |
| 09:13.09 | idnar | that's an interesting flood |
| 09:13.10 | numist | um.. THATS REALY ANNOYING |
| 09:13.13 | numist | ok |
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| 09:13.14 | idnar | !ops flooding |
| 09:13.15 | tuxyRochefort | ! |
| 09:13.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooding |
| 09:13.17 | karsten | valdyn: Um. 250 MB for / should be plenty. I split / /home /var /usr /tmp and usually /boot |
| 09:13.25 | nagual | :) |
| 09:13.27 | gypsymauro | there is a way to show last packages installed? |
| 09:13.33 | tuxyRochefort | hi |
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| 09:13.37 | valdyn | karsten: hes not splitting except for /home |
| 09:13.42 | jeff_ | valdyn, but what about the programs i install |
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| 09:13.49 | jeff_ | wont they fill up the / quite quickly |
| 09:13.54 | numist | karsten: yeah, theres an i810... |
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| 09:14.01 | tuxyRochefort | where is the kernel config option to enable this : ______ /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor _____ |
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| 09:14.49 | jetscreamer | near the top |
| 09:14.56 | karsten | numist: Try that. |
| 09:15.04 | valdyn | jeff_: and you can always move stuff to a new mountpoint at a later time, say, decide you need more space and make a new partition for /usr/local/ |
| 09:15.05 | numist | k, sec |
| 09:15.18 | karsten | numist: i810. You can just <enter> through the rest of the screens, your prior settings are remembered. |
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| 09:15.32 | numist | yep |
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| 09:15.42 | karsten | valdyn: google linux partitioning. my suggestions are first result. |
| 09:16.02 | karsten | valdyn: ...though the Wiki page is what I'd recommend looking at. |
| 09:16.05 | jeff_ | oh i see |
| 09:16.14 | jeff_ | im at a turning point here. |
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| 09:16.23 | valdyn | karsten: im not saying its wrong, but its overly sophicticated for just a desktop |
| 09:16.31 | jeff_ | i dont know wheather to upgrade to the newest ubuntu or just use this week's sarge |
| 09:16.53 | karsten | valdyn: And what do *you* have against sophistication ;-) |
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| 09:17.06 | numist | hmm.. it looks the same at the login screen |
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| 09:17.20 | karsten | valdyn: Tell that to the guy here last week who'd run 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=80 count=1' |
| 09:17.31 | visual_ | what syntax i should use to get xdm into my debian using apt-get? |
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| 09:17.39 | numist | wait, their pasting pi |
| 09:17.41 | valdyn | karsten: jesus |
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| 09:17.57 | numist | theyre continuing pi for the other |
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| 09:18.03 | numist | and they can STOP NOW |
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| 09:18.05 | MobyTurbo | !ops bots are flooding the channel |
| 09:18.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bots are flooding the channel |
| 09:18.08 | jetscreamer | !ops |
| 09:18.08 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 09:18.16 | numist | MobyTurbo: NICE |
| 09:18.20 | escalado | __/ \__ CHECK OUT MY ASSHOLE |
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| 09:19.08 | bob2 | cocks |
| 09:19.13 | numist | that was nice work |
| 09:19.14 | EgoG3 | GET EM BOB! |
| 09:19.15 | EgoG3 | hahah |
| 09:19.19 | kensuke | WTF is wrong with people ? |
| 09:19.19 | numist | bob2++ |
| 09:19.21 | EgoG3 | i missed it ;( |
| 09:19.21 | jetscreamer | !bob++ |
| 09:19.21 | jim | too many cocks spoil the soup |
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| 09:19.27 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 09:19.27 | EgoG3 | what happened? |
| 09:19.32 | jetscreamer | !bob2++ |
| 09:19.33 | EgoG3 | i fuckin missed it! :( |
| 09:19.36 | jim | something stupid |
| 09:19.38 | numist | oh, right ! |
| 09:19.40 | karsten | EgoG3: Crapflooders. |
| 09:19.41 | numist | !bob2++ |
| 09:19.48 | blackmariah | piflood |
| 09:19.58 | numist | actually kinda cool |
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| 09:20.02 | numist | how many digits was that? |
| 09:20.05 | mousex | what do I need to run perl scripts from my apache server? I just installed apache-perl, but apache still won't run my .pl files |
| 09:20.10 | jim | here we go again |
| 09:20.10 | numist | ok, back to xfree86 |
| 09:20.16 | jetscreamer | .pi files |
| 09:20.27 | tuxyRochefort | any kernel hackers here ? |
| 09:20.27 | EgoG3 | bob2: thats a dronebot |
| 09:20.29 | jim | watch Abivmljaj |
| 09:20.34 | numist | karsten: still stuck at 640x480 |
| 09:20.36 | bob2 | mousex: read the README |
| 09:20.43 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: /topic |
| 09:20.44 | mousex | bob2: /usr/doc/??? |
| 09:20.46 | EgoG3 | i dont think it'll say anything, jim |
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| 09:21.10 | jim | EgoG3: but you just said you missed what happened |
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| 09:21.15 | MobyTurbo | mousex: /usr/share/doc |
| 09:21.16 | karsten | numist: Did you enter a higher res? |
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| 09:21.24 | numist | karsten: 800x600@16bit |
| 09:21.31 | EgoG3 | jim: i am referring to that bto |
| 09:21.33 | EgoG3 | bot* |
| 09:21.36 | numist | EgoG3: two bots bouncing off each other, pasting sequential places of pi |
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| 09:21.40 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, what do you mean with /topic ? I read it .... |
| 09:21.44 | jim | oh, which one? |
| 09:21.45 | EgoG3 | numist: #freenode |
| 09:21.47 | numist | bot1: 3.1 bot2:14 except a lot more digits |
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| 09:22.10 | saintish | crack that whip |
| 09:22.19 | numist | ... |
| 09:22.23 | gridline | Can anyone tell me what this means exactly or how to make sure it doesn't happen again? I knoq it's bad: Mar 7 16:44:17 s01 kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) Mar 7 16:44:24 s01 kernel: VM: killing process xinetd |
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| 09:23.13 | numist | karsten: ideas? |
| 09:23.18 | karsten | gridline: That's your out-of-memory process reaper getting more memory |
| 09:23.32 | numist | karsten: I just upgraded from RH7.3, and it was working.. FC3 didnt work at all with xorg... |
| 09:23.35 | glooping | crack that whip |
| 09:23.37 | gridline | how dofind out what process is taking all the memory? |
| 09:23.45 | karsten | numist: What did you set for monitor capabilities? That was the bit after 'Medium' |
| 09:23.54 | numist | karsten: 800x600 72 hz |
| 09:24.06 | jim | gridline: if worst comes to worst and you don't find out by asking, you could grep kernel sources for pieces of the message |
| 09:24.14 | karsten | gridline: top. Then 'M' to sort by memory. |
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| 09:24.23 | karsten | numist: Try 1024x768 or better, 75Hz. |
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| 09:24.30 | numist | karsten: ok, sec |
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| 09:24.48 | karsten | numist: That's actually setting your monitor capabilities. The X server won't try higher resolutions. |
| 09:24.54 | gridline | karsten: nothing is misbehaving now |
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| 09:25.36 | numist | karsten: login screen still shows 640x480, let me see what it says when I log in |
| 09:25.36 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: it links to a faq, the faq explains the etiquette of this channel - but to cut things short, ask your question, not meta questions |
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| 09:25.42 | karsten | gridline: Right. That's 'coz your OOM reaped it. |
| 09:25.43 | numist | :/ |
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| 09:25.53 | karsten | numist: Kill and restart X. |
| 09:26.01 | stouset | karsten: Really? I've set that to, say, 1024x768@60Hz and still been able to select 1400x1050 later. |
| 09:26.12 | gridline | so how do I fond out whats causing the memory shortage? |
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| 09:26.21 | numist | karsten: I did /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 09:26.24 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, ok : "where is the kernel config option to enable this : ______ /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor _____" |
| 09:26.39 | numist | karsten: better way is to killall xfree86 and restart it? |
| 09:26.47 | karsten | stouset: Depends on various stuff, I'm not going to claim perfect knowledge. |
| 09:26.54 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, smells like a powernow option. look into power saving |
| 09:26.56 | jetscreamer | jesus it's right near the top you didn't look |
| 09:26.57 | stouset | karsten: fair enough :-) |
| 09:27.00 | steven2 | Hello, can i make a question#? |
| 09:27.01 | karsten | numist: what you did is fine. |
| 09:27.14 | stouset | steven2: don't ask if you can ask, just do it =P |
| 09:27.16 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: you want to enable a scaling_governor? |
| 09:27.19 | karsten | !tell steven2 about ask |
| 09:27.22 | numist | karsten: still fubarred then |
| 09:27.23 | steven2 | :) |
| 09:27.37 | karsten | numist: No clue. |
| 09:27.43 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, yeap. |
| 09:27.44 | karsten | numist: It's bedtime here. |
| 09:27.50 | stouset | numist: what's the problem? |
| 09:27.51 | numist | here too.. |
| 09:27.53 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: which one? |
| 09:27.56 | jetscreamer | you didn't even try to find it |
| 09:28.00 | numist | stouset: xfree86 stuck in 640x480 |
| 09:28.03 | numist | despite * |
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| 09:28.24 | jetscreamer | did you ever hand edit it? |
| 09:28.28 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, user one |
| 09:28.34 | numist | jetscreamer: no |
| 09:28.36 | jetscreamer | the XF86Config-4? |
| 09:28.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:28.37 | tuxyRochefort | userspace |
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| 09:28.48 | jeff_ | does debian have as many up to date packages and security updates as ubuntu horay |
| 09:28.50 | numist | jetscreamer: dpkg only so far |
| 09:28.53 | stouset | Can you paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log in #flood? |
| 09:29.02 | numist | stouset: if you insist |
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| 09:29.15 | karsten | jeff_: Largely, yes. |
| 09:29.22 | jetscreamer | jeff_, no ubuntu is so much more leet |
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| 09:29.32 | prh | jeff_: I suspect the security updates in hoary come mostly from debian... |
| 09:29.32 | jm_ | jeff: large chunks of ubuntu are jsut rebuilt sid packages |
| 09:29.32 | directhex | jeff, last i checked, hoary hadn't been released, and had no security updates |
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| 09:29.59 | jeff_ | sorry |
| 09:30.15 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: load the appropriate kernel modules ( i dont know how they're called offhand ), support for your specific cpu's frequency scaling and just that governor |
| 09:30.29 | jeff_ | i ment to say, say for example the warty. does debian have a way of automaticly installing updates |
| 09:31.05 | jetscreamer | it can be done |
| 09:31.14 | karsten | jeff_: Yes. aptitude. cron-apt. |
| 09:31.20 | stouset | jeff_: ubuntu is largely based off Debian, but mostly with a focus on a fast and fresh x86 build. Anything you can do on Ubuntu is almost certainly done the same way on debian. |
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| 09:31.38 | karsten | jeff_: Ordinarially, you may want to schedule update d/l, but _not_ the actual install. |
| 09:31.56 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, i think it's the only thing i miss : the names of the kernel modules ... |
| 09:32.12 | karsten | jeff_: Warty packages are pretty much Debian compatible. Hoary's going to be slighly different. |
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| 09:32.27 | jeff_ | stouset, fast and fresh x86 build. what does this mean in terms of perfoemance vs debian |
| 09:32.34 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: whats your cpu? |
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| 09:33.11 | stouset | jeff_: Performance? Indeterminate. All I meant by fast and fresh is that they have a steady and quick release process, trying to get out the latest packages to end users and only really concentrate on x86 architectures. |
| 09:33.11 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, centrino 1.5 |
| 09:33.27 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: thats not a cpu, but, guess pentium M |
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| 09:33.28 | directhex | why would you use warty packages on debian? sarge is more up to date... |
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| 09:33.42 | stouset | jeff_: Debian on the other hand prefers a slower release schedule that puts an extreme focus on software quality, and builds for many many architectures. |
| 09:33.43 | siimo | yeah go sarge! |
| 09:33.43 | jeff_ | karsten-sleep, so bsacilly i can stay up to date security wise just the same as i am in ubuntu |
| 09:33.48 | xula | eh? |
| 09:33.57 | stouset | jeff_: Of course you can :-) |
| 09:33.59 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, yeap pentium M, and centrino is a cpu afaik ... o.o |
| 09:34.06 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) && find . -name "speedstep*" |
| 09:34.08 | xula | hello |
| 09:34.09 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, centrino is a branding umbrella |
| 09:34.12 | visual_ | how do i see list of all possible programs i can get using "apt-get" ? |
| 09:34.16 | xula | helloooooooooo |
| 09:34.18 | tuxyRochefort | oh no u right it's mobile technologi |
| 09:34.20 | stouset | jeff_: And since the security updates are kept independent of the normal bugfixes, you can limit yourself to *only* security updates if you want to. |
| 09:34.35 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, centrino means intel i855 motherboard chipset, intel wireless, pentium-m, and windows xp or linux 2.6.8 |
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| 09:34.36 | stouset | visual_: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude |
| 09:34.43 | jeff_ | the differnce being that ubuntu gives a "stable" relase while sarge is in development |
| 09:34.45 | stouset | visual_: dselect works, as well, but is generally not a sexy |
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| 09:34.59 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: its a brand name for alot of different stuff, heck even the new "mobile" chipset by intel is branded centrino |
| 09:35.01 | jeff_ | stouset, also bugfixes, someone keeps up a list of all that for sarge |
| 09:35.02 | stouset | jeff_: The difference being in the definition of "stable" :-) |
| 09:35.04 | atenea_15 | how speak spanish? |
| 09:35.22 | tarheelcoxn | atenea_15: debian-es |
| 09:35.24 | jeff_ | i can install them for example using synaptic as well |
| 09:35.34 | directhex | !es |
| 09:35.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:35.36 | tuxyRochefort | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.10 | stouset | jeff_: That works too |
| 09:36.40 | jeff_ | i see |
| 09:36.41 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: whats your kernel? ( uname -r ) |
| 09:36.49 | stouset | jeff_: But I tend to prefer aptitude. It tracks which packages were installed as dependencies, so you can keep your system free of orphaned libraries. I don't believe Synaptic does that yet. |
| 09:36.55 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, 2.6.9 |
| 09:37.09 | tuxyRochefort | tried 2.6.10 |
| 09:37.12 | tuxyRochefort | and 2.6.11 |
| 09:37.16 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: what does "uname -r" spit out? |
| 09:37.47 | atenea_15 | hiiiiiiiiiii |
| 09:38.06 | tuxyRochefort | 2.6.9-r9 |
| 09:38.07 | atenea_15 | nobody speak me????? |
| 09:38.21 | directhex | atenea_15, you've become an irritation. go away. |
| 09:38.28 | stouset | atenea_15: #debian-es |
| 09:38.44 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, did you compile that yourself? |
| 09:38.57 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: your module is called "speedstep-centrino.ko", you're not using a debian kernel though. |
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| 09:39.04 | tuxyRochefort | directhex, yeap |
| 09:39.04 | atenea_15 | mierda pa todos |
| 09:39.14 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, thanks |
| 09:39.36 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Is there a large reason for you to compile your kernel? if not, you may want to use the debian prepackaged ones. They're very well tested, and there's no performance impact that I can tell. |
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| 09:39.41 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, why, exactly? you wouldn't be having problems if you used a debian kernel |
| 09:39.47 | tuxyRochefort | valdyn, it seems that i don't have it in my /lib/modules/2.6.9-r9 directory. How to enable it ? |
| 09:39.50 | jeff_ | well you have switched me over to debian |
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| 09:39.56 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: use a debian kernel |
| 09:39.57 | jeff_ | im going to download the latest sarge |
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| 09:40.08 | glooping | crack that whip |
| 09:40.09 | empaires | give the past the slip |
| 09:40.12 | jim | jeff_: oh -damn-, not again! |
| 09:40.23 | tuxyRochefort | directhex, stouset i _have_ the very same problem with debian kernel |
| 09:40.28 | jeff_ | not again? lol |
| 09:40.31 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: is that a knoppix kernel? or one you compiled yourself? |
| 09:40.41 | tuxyRochefort | compiled myself |
| 09:40.49 | jeff_ | what was that for jim :) |
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| 09:40.52 | tuxyRochefort | from scratch |
| 09:40.59 | stouset | jeft_: If you don't mind me asking, why? Distributions are largely a matter of personal preference. If you're happy with Ubuntu, then Debian isn't likely to offer you anything earth-shattering. |
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| 09:41.09 | directhex | tuxyRochefort, no, you don't, because debian kernels have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko |
| 09:41.11 | mousex | I have the perl_module anabled in httpd.conf, but apache is still not running my perl scripts! I keep on getting the option to download every .pl file; I already restarted apache and konqueror. |
| 09:41.12 | tuxyRochefort | i nearly have all it work except this speedstep stuff ... |
| 09:41.12 | valdyn | tuxyRochefort: just compile a new one supporting what you need, those options arent hard to find at all in make menuconfig |
| 09:41.28 | mousex | what else do I have to do to make perl work w/ apache? |
| 09:41.43 | jeff_ | jim, do you guys regularly concert ubuntu users |
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| 09:41.43 | jeff_ | lol |
| 09:41.53 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: This I have to see. Do an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 and then a `find . -name "speedstep-centrino.ko"` under the kernel lib directory. |
| 09:41.56 | PerfDave | mousex: You probably need to tell Apache that .pl is an extension which should be executed, or use .cgi instead |
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| 09:41.59 | tyreless | crack that whip |
| 09:41.59 | excubant | give the past the slip |
| 09:42.00 | dosology | step on a crack |
| 09:42.00 | excubant | when a problem comes along |
| 09:42.00 | dosology | break your momma's back |
| 09:42.00 | excubant | you must whip it |
| 09:42.00 | dosology | before the cream sits out too long |
| 09:42.01 | dosology | you must whip it |
| 09:42.01 | excubant | when something's going wrong |
| 09:42.01 | excubant | you must whip it |
| 09:42.01 | dosology | now whip it |
| 09:42.02 | dosology | into shape |
| 09:42.05 | tyreless | shape it up |
| 09:42.06 | tyreless | get straight |
| 09:42.06 | excubant | go forward |
| 09:42.06 | excubant | move ahead |
| 09:42.07 | dosology | try to detect it |
| 09:42.07 | dosology | it's not too late |
| 09:42.07 | excubant | to whip it |
| 09:42.07 | excubant | whip it good |
| 09:42.07 | dosology | when a good time turns around |
| 09:42.08 | dosology | you must whip it |
| 09:42.09 | EgoG3 | wtf |
| 09:42.09 | excubant | you will never live it down |
| 09:42.11 | excubant | unless you whip it |
| 09:42.11 | tyreless | no one gets away |
| 09:42.13 | tyreless | until they whip it |
| 09:42.14 | directhex | !ops fix the spambots please |
| 09:42.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fix the spambots please |
| 09:42.16 | dosology | i say whip it |
| 09:42.16 | dosology | whip it good |
| 09:42.16 | excubant | i say whip it |
| 09:42.16 | excubant | whip it good |
| 09:42.17 | dosology | crack that whip |
| 09:42.17 | dosology | give the past the slip |
| 09:42.17 | excubant | step on a crack |
| 09:42.18 | dosology | when a problem comes along |
| 09:42.19 | excubant | break your momma's back |
| 09:42.20 | dosology | you must whip it |
| 09:42.20 | tyreless | before the cream sits out too long |
| 09:42.21 | jeff_ | also do you have a link on were i can the release |
| 09:42.21 | excubant | you must whip it |
| 09:42.22 | dosology | you must whip it |
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| 09:42.23 | excubant | when something's going wrong |
| 09:42.24 | dosology | now whip it |
| 09:42.34 | mousex | PerDave: how? |
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| 09:42.49 | PerfDave | mousex: In the Apache configuration |
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| 09:43.18 | mousex | PerDave: is it AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl ??? |
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| 09:43.33 | directhex | !beer mentor |
| 09:43.34 | valdyn | !d-i jeff_ |
| 09:43.35 | dpkg | jeff_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:43.36 | gridline | Aergh, somehow my swapspace got turned off. And syslog too !@#$%^&*( |
| 09:44.02 | jim | jeff_: they convert peoplke all the time... it'a just boring... "bla bla debian's cool blah blah it saved my job and my cat blah it didn't destory my data bla bla" :) |
| 09:44.20 | jeff_ | haha |
| 09:44.33 | EgoG3 | now they are in fucking #gentoo flooding |
| 09:44.33 | directhex | my cat still suffers the wounds inflicted by redhat |
| 09:44.36 | mousex | PerDave: the AddHandler directive didn't work |
| 09:44.41 | EgoG3 | goddamn assholes |
| 09:44.42 | jeff_ | linux haters |
| 09:44.43 | directhex | EgoG3, good for #gentoo |
| 09:44.45 | EgoG3 | there were 6 of em |
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| 09:44.47 | spdf | mousex, did you restart apache? |
| 09:44.52 | jeff_ | someone should ddos them |
| 09:44.53 | mousex | spdf: yes |
| 09:45.18 | jim | jeff_: that could get people in trouble |
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| 09:45.41 | jeff_ | heh |
| 09:46.23 | mousex | spdf, PerfDave: any ideas? |
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| 09:46.42 | jeff_ | my problem is i saw a page with the newest sarge iso's release by the week |
| 09:46.51 | jeff_ | is that what i should install |
| 09:47.01 | jeff_ | or a mixture of testing/stable like ive read somewhere |
| 09:47.13 | tarheelcoxn | jeff_: do a netinst |
| 09:47.21 | jim | if you got5 a good net connection (dsl, cable, more) you don't need isos |
| 09:47.24 | tarheelcoxn | then apt-get install aptitude |
| 09:47.36 | tarheelcoxn | browse the packages and get what you need |
| 09:47.58 | jeff_ | tarheelcoxn, oh ok. this will give me the latetest packages? |
| 09:48.12 | jim | ok, I'm idling... |
| 09:48.22 | jeff_ | thx for da help jim |
| 09:48.39 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: it will give you the latest sarge, or whatever version of Debian you choose in the installer. |
| 09:48.50 | tarheelcoxn | jeff_: yeah, assuming that you have a testing entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:49.03 | mousex | spdf, PerfDave: nevermind! I wasn't using http://localhost/..., but /var/www/perl . . . :P |
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| 09:49.18 | jeff_ | ah i see |
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| 09:49.34 | directhex | !trout mousex |
| 09:49.41 | directhex | :( |
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| 09:49.59 | t31 | problem with sound in webs with flash animations |
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| 09:50.37 | mousex | OK, but now I get a "Forbidden" message with perl scripts anyway! :( |
| 09:50.37 | MobyTurbo | t31: do you belong to the audio group? |
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| 09:50.37 | mousex | permissions are fine |
| 09:50.37 | jeff_ | and to install the cutting edge bug fixes etc all i need to do is apt-get update |
| 09:50.41 | t31 | MobyTurbo, im a newbie |
| 09:51.00 | stouset | jeff_: essentially |
| 09:51.04 | godless | hi all, I'm looking for a nice fast Gigabit Switch, is there a good site with reviews etc, I'm looking for a switch that won't drop down in HUB mode with high traffic |
| 09:51.06 | directhex | t31, is the problem only with flash animations? |
| 09:51.19 | t31 | directhex, right |
| 09:51.42 | directhex | t31, flash demands exclusive sound card access, or can use esd/arts |
| 09:51.43 | jeff_ | elexcent. what rc net install should i get |
| 09:51.56 | directhex | t31, do you have something else running using sound? |
| 09:52.08 | t31 | directhex, nothing at all |
| 09:52.10 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: it doesn't matter how old the netinst image is, you will get updated to the latest from the net anyway. |
| 09:52.17 | jeff_ | oh ok :) |
| 09:52.17 | stouset | directhex: might also be using the OSS drivers? |
| 09:52.32 | stouset | jeff_: that's the point of a netinstall :-) |
| 09:52.38 | mousex | uh, I needed to have everything in the /var/www/perl directory, except the HTML files . . . duh! |
| 09:52.51 | mousex | !hit me |
| 09:53.06 | directhex | stouset, it uses OSS for things, but can use the alsa compatability driver |
| 09:53.10 | stouset | !hit mousex |
| 09:53.14 | stouset | :-) |
| 09:53.25 | directhex | stouset, personally i use alsa with dmix, and have esd sitting on dmix, so i can have flash and $somethingelse |
| 09:53.37 | stouset | directhex: Worth a shot :-) I never knew that it required exclusive sound card access. |
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| 09:54.30 | directhex | stouset, it's a fairly stupid OSS app. a debian package pulled in by my normal apt-gettage asks what method you want to use for plugins, auto/esd/arts/none |
| 09:54.41 | raf256 | how can I install quake2 package, with is is unstable/contrib section, when Im using testing(sarge)? |
| 09:54.42 | stouset | directhex: personally I'm looking forward to polypaudio |
| 09:54.42 | directhex | presumably to run OSS plugins with $foo_wrapper |
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| 09:54.53 | directhex | !tell raf256 about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 09:55.12 | mousex | all right, this sucks . . . I went through all this trouble of setting up perl just to use am12, a Web-based asterisk PBX configuration tool . . . and the stupid thing doesn't work! :( |
| 09:55.20 | raf256 | !hug directhex |
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| 09:55.39 | stouset | Damn. |
| 09:55.43 | stouset | Is there anything dpkg can't do? |
| 09:55.49 | ricky_clarkson | !make toast |
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| 09:55.54 | mirona | how can I set up debian so X would start ? |
| 09:55.59 | stouset | !list weaknesses |
| 09:55.59 | mousex | !what can't you do? |
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| 09:56.04 | raf256 | stouset: hang self? I think microsoft patented it |
| 09:56.06 | directhex | mirona, what is that meant to mean? |
| 09:56.09 | ricky_clarkson | mirona: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 09:56.14 | mousex | !what can't you do, dpkg? |
| 09:56.22 | directhex | mirona, try and be more vague, it really helps |
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| 09:56.39 | mirona | well it keeps saing no screens found |
| 09:56.42 | mousex | !what is life |
| 09:56.44 | dpkg | mousex: what are you talking about? |
| 09:56.50 | ricky_clarkson | mirona: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 09:56.50 | stouset | !man woman |
| 09:57.00 | mirona | tried that |
| 09:57.01 | mousex | stouset: bi-sex |
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| 09:57.24 | directhex | mirona, what does your log file say the error is? |
| 09:57.26 | mousex | !man = women |
| 09:57.36 | directhex | mirona, no screens found is not an error |
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| 09:57.44 | mousex | !guy is girl |
| 09:57.45 | dpkg | okay, mousex |
| 09:57.48 | mirona | ok I'll be back with the error |
| 09:57.52 | mousex | !what is guy |
| 09:57.53 | dpkg | mousex: what are you talking about? |
| 09:57.59 | mousex | !guy |
| 09:57.59 | dpkg | i guess guy is girl |
| 09:58.00 | spdf | !guy |
| 09:58.06 | raf256 | !op someone should kick numist from flood, ok I Know was FLOOD is for, but 1000-lines long quota is a bit too much |
| 09:58.06 | dpkg | raf256: what are you talking about? |
| 09:58.08 | mousex | !girl is guy |
| 09:58.08 | dpkg | ...but girl is already something else... |
| 09:58.10 | directhex | mirona, hang on, i think my telepathy has told me the error already. debian 3.0 (woody)? |
| 09:58.12 | mousex | !girl |
| 09:58.12 | dpkg | [girl] a young female human. I prefer botesses myself. |
| 09:58.28 | mousex | !girl is girl and guy |
| 09:58.28 | dpkg | mousex: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:58.30 | mousex | !girl is girl + guy |
| 09:58.31 | dpkg | mousex: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:58.44 | directhex | !stupid bot tricks |
| 09:58.44 | mousex | I'll stop annoying people now . . . |
| 09:58.45 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 09:58.48 | jm_ | raf256: #flood is not realted to #debian, stop wasting our time |
| 09:58.57 | raf256 | !waste jm_ time |
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| 09:59.12 | stouset | Looks like there's a lot dpkg can't do :-( |
| 09:59.19 | jm_ | I can easily ignore you |
| 09:59.20 | stouset | Maybe I should submit a patch. |
| 09:59.20 | ningo | !confuse directhex |
| 09:59.21 | dpkg | Yes, how are our hamster tomorrow, directhex? wellies of the dictatorship of tibet with extra ham |
| 09:59.40 | directhex | i don't like ham |
| 09:59.49 | raf256 | !confuse microsoft developers (even more) |
| 09:59.50 | dpkg | Yes,|No,) (those|what|them|where|who|how) (are|is|was) (your|their|our|my) (pants|weasel|ferret|hamster|pineapple|gouda|gerbil|badger|mushroom|snake|bacon) (today|tomorrow|yesterday), microsoft developers (even more trousers of the democracy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 10:00.37 | spdf | Mmm.. Badger mushroom snake bacon.. my fav.. |
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| 10:00.44 | ningo | !brakes confuse dpkg is <reply> please, NO brackes! |
| 10:00.44 | dpkg | okay, ningo |
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| 10:01.01 | stouset | ROFL |
| 10:01.04 | directhex | !dict brake |
| 10:01.11 | stouset | !sex |
| 10:01.11 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 10:01.23 | ningo | uhm |
| 10:01.33 | stouset | I am in tears from that. |
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| 10:01.49 | ningo | right spelling would be appropriate |
| 10:01.57 | stouset | Spelling? |
| 10:01.57 | directhex | now really, stop pissing about with the bots |
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| 10:01.59 | raf256 | Its good think that !sex do not include use of cat; |
| 10:02.12 | stouset | Or man. |
| 10:02.13 | raf256 | s/think/thing |
| 10:02.15 | kneet | or less |
| 10:02.24 | spdf | Maybe add a grep or two.. |
| 10:02.41 | stouset | Jesus...UNIX people were dirty old men. |
| 10:02.46 | stouset | It's all beginning to make sense now. |
| 10:03.02 | ningo | yes; yes; yes <- isn't this supposed to be /bin/true ? |
| 10:03.23 | Coke | ningo: no |
| 10:03.28 | Nurbs | tom@mojo-jojo:~$ which yes |
| 10:03.28 | Nurbs | /usr/bin/yes |
| 10:03.36 | Coke | Haha! |
| 10:03.48 | stouset | stephen@midas:~$ no |
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| 10:03.48 | stouset | bash: no: command not found |
| 10:03.54 | Coke | I am Mojo Jojo for that is the name I was given at birth because it is my name so that is what I shall be called |
| 10:04.04 | stouset | Looks like Debian is vulnerable to peer pressure. |
| 10:04.27 | Nurbs | stouset: /usr/bin/yes no |
| 10:04.29 | numist | directhex: hilarioua |
| 10:04.31 | numist | jeff_: tell me how and Ill do it :P |
| 10:04.32 | karsten-sleep | stouset: Naw, we're patched against that. |
| 10:04.38 | numist | I dont think a ping flood would do it |
| 10:04.41 | numist | but Ive got bandwidth to burn here |
| 10:04.44 | numist | and, for a spambot? worthy cause |
| 10:04.46 | directhex | Coke, watching the powerpuff girls doesn't actually make you cool |
| 10:05.08 | raf256 | GO GO POWER RANGERS! |
| 10:05.10 | Nurbs | directhex: but naming your machines after ppg characters does, of course |
| 10:05.17 | ningo | i prefer heman |
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| 10:05.35 | directhex | Nurbs, mine are invader zim characters. |
| 10:05.37 | numist | raf256: will you get off your horse about that, I stopped |
| 10:05.39 | numist | jesus |
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| 10:06.32 | cipherz | anyone had luck with building centericq 4.20 on sarge/sid ? |
| 10:06.50 | llama32 | hi ppl |
| 10:07.15 | Nurbs | cipherz: hm, why not just use the .debs? |
| 10:07.16 | ningo | bah, some guy with a chainsaw out there is cuting his trees, like 3 hours now |
| 10:07.19 | ningo | makes me... nervous |
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| 10:07.49 | cipherz | Nurbs: I want to make a tweak to the msn hook |
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| 10:07.56 | stouset | Haha. All of my machines are named after characters in Ayn Rand novels. |
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| 10:08.00 | cipherz | kinda annoyed with it setting me on out to lunch when I go N/A |
| 10:08.08 | stouset | Midas, Francisco, Dagny, Hank, Dominique... |
| 10:08.18 | llama32 | nautilus, when started with computer:// or whatever it is, as root shows cd drive, my xp partition, etc. but as normal users just shows / and "network"... how do i fix this? |
| 10:08.27 | Nurbs | cipherz: why doesn't building it work? |
| 10:08.36 | directhex | llama32, try adduser foouser plugdev |
| 10:08.49 | ugv | hmm. is there a way to check if the server is a 64bit? (i don't have physical access to the server) |
| 10:08.51 | mirona | the error log says "[EE] no devices found" |
| 10:09.01 | stouset | llama32: If directhex's solution doesn't work, make sure the "users" flag is set on the partitions in /etc/fstab. |
| 10:09.03 | cipherz | Nurbs: doesnt detect libc or anything and tries to redeclare libc functions statically |
| 10:09.18 | stouset | ugv: uname -a? |
| 10:09.22 | cipherz | Nurbs: I tried defining them manually just to see what would happen bu there are so many of them |
| 10:09.23 | Nurbs | cipherz: yuk. |
| 10:09.30 | cipherz | looks like the configure thingie is buggy to me |
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| 10:09.49 | directhex | mirona, answer my earlier question. debian 3.0? |
| 10:09.56 | cipherz | same bug when I grab it from centericq.de |
| 10:10.17 | ugv | stouset, it tells? ok. so can a 64bit server run a 32bit linux OS? |
| 10:10.26 | stouset | cipherz: apt-get install build-essential? |
| 10:10.33 | directhex | ugv, amd64 can run ia32. ia64 can't run ia32 |
| 10:10.38 | visual | test |
| 10:10.45 | cipherz | 2 sec doing an upgrade on a machine kinda hogging up all the bandwidth :) |
| 10:10.48 | visual | hmm transparent xchat is slowwwww |
| 10:10.52 | mirona | yes debian 3.0 |
| 10:10.55 | ugv | directhex, ah. ok. |
| 10:11.00 | directhex | mirona, what's the graphics card? |
| 10:11.11 | cipherz | stouset: already newest version |
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| 10:11.13 | ugv | directhex, so uname -a should tell if the server is running a 64bit OS? |
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| 10:11.22 | mousex | does anyone know of an easy way to set up asterisk (PBX & SIP)??? Is there a free GUI or a Web interface for this? |
| 10:11.23 | directhex | ugv, yes, it should |
| 10:11.24 | stouset | directhex: graphics card? Bah, I just have a bunch of Asian teenagers in my basement memorize numbers. |
| 10:11.36 | directhex | stouset, i have some too, but for other purposes |
| 10:11.37 | mirona | geforce 4 |
| 10:11.51 | directhex | !tell mirona about woody hardware support |
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| 10:12.11 | llama32 | directhex: do i have to log out and back in? i tried re-loging in at a terminal then starting nautilus again, but it didnt work still... |
| 10:12.20 | directhex | llama32, you need to log out and in. |
| 10:12.50 | stouset | directhex: that's not entirely correct, I think. GeForce 4's should work, since they're based off the exact same driver. |
| 10:12.54 | mousex | dpkg, who is your daddy? |
| 10:12.55 | dpkg | mousex: I think you lost me on that one |
| 10:13.04 | mousex | !who is your daddy |
| 10:13.05 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, mousex |
| 10:13.11 | directhex | stouset, nvidia's binary driver will work. but not xfree86's driver |
| 10:13.14 | ningo | dpkg, where do you want to go today? |
| 10:13.22 | stouset | directhex: learn something new every day :-) |
| 10:13.45 | mousex | can someone help me configure a sip account in my asterisk server? |
| 10:13.45 | directhex | stouset, card support is based on pci id. woody, released 3 years ago, doesn't recognise the existance of any geforce 4 pci ids in its xfree86 compile |
| 10:13.56 | visual | hmm why i cant find any xterm or something in fluxbox |
| 10:13.59 | visual | and telnet wont work neither |
| 10:14.12 | llama32 | directhex: thanks :) |
| 10:14.14 | stouset | visual: apt-get install xterm? |
| 10:14.17 | mirona | well? do you think there is any chance to make it work ? |
| 10:14.27 | visual | hmm where i place the command line then |
| 10:14.40 | stouset | mirona: there's a binary nvidia driver whose source is included as a debian package. Look into that. |
| 10:14.57 | stouset | visual: haha :-) Alt+Ctrl+F1 |
| 10:15.10 | mirona | well ... I'm not much of a linux user, if you know what I mean |
| 10:15.28 | qwertz | Hi! Has anyone experienced a lot of mysql connection errors in combination with php/apache2 in unstable? Reaching my local site causes a db error at least half of the time. |
| 10:15.37 | directhex | mirona, so why are you using woody? |
| 10:15.45 | directhex | mirona, do you have lots of important files yet? |
| 10:15.50 | mirona | I tried installing the nvidia drivers, from their home page thou... but it doesn't work |
| 10:15.56 | directhex | mirona, if not, then just download a sarge install iso |
| 10:16.06 | directhex | !d-i mirona |
| 10:16.07 | dpkg | mirona, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:16.17 | stouset | mirona: then unfortunately Debian may not be the best distro to cut your teeth on; woody isn't, at the very least. You can perhaps try sarge, or, alternatively use one of the more desktop-oriented Debian-based distros such as Ubuntu |
| 10:16.19 | mirona | lol |
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| 10:16.45 | directhex | if he knew to install x-window-system he can use sarge fine |
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| 10:17.10 | stouset | True. |
| 10:17.17 | huliganz | what are the latest gnome packages and where can I get them? |
| 10:17.29 | mirona | ok thanks |
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| 10:17.33 | stouset | There's something to be said, though, for not even having to install x-window-system, gdm, and gnome :-) |
| 10:17.45 | stouset | huliganz: gnome 2.8; apt-get install gnome |
| 10:17.56 | stouset | Apt always has the latest available packages. |
| 10:17.57 | raghu | i have error pasted in #flood can any one help |
| 10:17.57 | huliganz | 2.8 is the latest? |
| 10:17.58 | visual | hmm hmm hmm |
| 10:18.01 | visual | i have prob |
| 10:18.02 | llama32 | directhex: thanks it worked :) |
| 10:18.06 | directhex | huliganz, in debian, yes |
| 10:18.08 | stouset | Raghu Polavarapu! |
| 10:18.09 | visual | how i run fbdesk on fluxbox |
| 10:18.09 | huliganz | :/ |
| 10:18.11 | PerfDave | Debian's a fantastic distro for newbies :) |
| 10:18.18 | visual | etc cant find where it got installed |
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| 10:18.36 | raghu | stouset: what? |
| 10:18.49 | stouset | huliganz: It takes time to package new releases. Be patient. I'm eager to try out the new toys, myself, but there's nothing in 2.10 that's absolutely critical. |
| 10:18.56 | stouset | Just a person I once new. Best name ever. |
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| 10:19.21 | stouset | PerfDave: No way, gentoo 4 lief! |
| 10:19.29 | raghu | i have error pasted in #flood can any one help |
| 10:20.12 | raghu | err0rr: Encountered a section with no Package: header:::::error like this ....when i do apt-get update |
| 10:20.21 | llama32 | i have an ntfs partition but i added myself to the disk group which appears to own the device, and i still cant view any files on it... |
| 10:20.22 | directhex | huliganz, gnome 2.10 was released half a week ago, needs to be properly packaged for 11 architectures, and you think it's unacceptable that it's not done yet? |
| 10:20.27 | visual | hmm xterm sucks |
| 10:20.31 | visual | any better terminals? |
| 10:20.50 | stouset | visual: eterm, gnome-terminal, kterm, aterm... |
| 10:20.54 | huliganz | directhex i thought maybe there is 2.9 gnome somewhere ;) |
| 10:20.56 | stouset | visual: apt-cache search term |
| 10:21.05 | llama32 | the kde one's good... kterm or konsole or one of those k names :) |
| 10:21.10 | stouset | huliganz: 2.9 is a development build, and not ever released |
| 10:21.12 | directhex | huliganz, you want experimental development software? |
| 10:21.28 | huliganz | yes |
| 10:21.45 | stouset | huliganz: broken experimental development software? |
| 10:21.52 | huliganz | nope :) |
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| 10:22.00 | PerfDave | Debian was the distro which got me into Linux full-time instead of dabbling, because it was the first distro I used where stuff Just Worked. Discovering KDE at the same time probably helped a lot with that, but either way I no longe rhave any Windows installs. |
| 10:22.02 | raghu | Encountered a section with no Package: header The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. what is this error?? |
| 10:22.28 | huliganz | ok ok, i'll wait for oficial packages |
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| 10:23.26 | peabody_ | Does anyone have experience installing a debian system using "Debian from Scratch"?: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ |
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| 10:24.05 | directhex | peabody_, smells too much like gentoo to me |
| 10:24.14 | stouset | huliganz: if you absolutely want, you can download the gnome sources and build them. But the purpose of packaging it is to get rid of distro-specific discrepancies and build it in a stable environment |
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| 10:24.38 | peabody_ | directhex: Heh, maybe, I was trying it because it had lvm support, it was a pretty nice bootable cd. |
| 10:24.44 | stouset | peabody: There doesn't seem to be much of a point in doing Debian From Scratch. |
| 10:24.52 | llama32 | anyone have an idea what i could do to let myself read from my ntfs partition (which is properly mounted, with user as an option and is useable by root) other than adding myself to the disk group which owns the device? |
| 10:25.03 | stouset | llama, give me a sec |
| 10:25.05 | huliganz | for example OpenOffice 1.9 packages were not broken |
| 10:25.08 | Theory | can I get apt to tell me which packages on my system are older than packages available in the repository, without being root |
| 10:25.10 | directhex | llama32, mount it with umask=0222 |
| 10:25.14 | peabody_ | stouset: I'm learning that to be the case, any recommendations on installing debian ontop of LVM? |
| 10:25.18 | visual | but how i change colours and such in kterm? |
| 10:25.27 | stouset | peabody_: Debian sarge supports LVM out of the box |
| 10:25.35 | directhex | peabody_, get a sarge d-i cd, install. |
| 10:25.57 | llama32 | thanks directhex, saved me again from the endless torture of having to su to do things :) |
| 10:25.57 | peabody_ | thanks, available at http://debian.org/? |
| 10:26.00 | visual | peabody_, get 3 floppies and a net connection and it will be easy |
| 10:26.22 | peabody_ | visual: I always prefer CD :-D |
| 10:26.22 | stouset | peabody_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:26.40 | peabody_ | stouset: thanks, I wasted a lot of time on Debian from Scratch :-p |
| 10:26.40 | directhex | !d-i peabody_ |
| 10:26.41 | dpkg | peabody_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:26.43 | visual | peabody_, you prolly want sarge instead |
| 10:27.21 | stouset | Dammit, I need to learn all of dpkg's responses :-) |
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| 10:27.59 | ningo | !status |
| 10:27.59 | dpkg | Since Sun Mar 13 08:26:50 2005, there have been 15 modifications, 547 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 150 commands. I have been awake for 1d 2h 1m 9s this session, and currently reference 25257 factoids. I'm using about 15080 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 228.27/11.3 child 144.33/12.63 |
| 10:28.07 | ningo | have fun |
| 10:28.25 | stouset | No morons? |
| 10:28.31 | stouset | I find that hard to believe. |
| 10:28.39 | ningo | !moron stouset |
| 10:28.40 | dpkg | stouset: You are moron #41 |
| 10:28.42 | stouset | Why, I'm right here. |
| 10:28.44 | stouset | Hahaha. |
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| 10:29.35 | trogger | I would like to configure exim4 to forward a copy of all incoming emails' headers to a particular user. How do I do this? |
| 10:29.45 | llama32 | anyone know of a place in [or easy to order from] australia that sells cheap linuxy cds? |
| 10:29.54 | stouset | !exim4-fowardheaders trogger |
| 10:29.56 | stouset | Damn. Worth a shot. |
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| 10:31.55 | Usiu | Hi... is there a problem with phyton in experimental ?? |
| 10:32.07 | PerfDave | Usiu: Pretty much by definition. |
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| 10:32.17 | Shadur | Usiu: I would like to direct your attention to the dictionary definition of "experimental" |
| 10:32.56 | MobyTurbo | Usiu: think - if something's too unstable for "unstable", you shouldn't expect it to be bug-free. |
| 10:32.59 | Usiu | Shadur, I am just asking is it because of phyton or my xorg instalation from ubuntu... |
| 10:33.13 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 10:33.13 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 10:33.13 | undertow | i need to know the ls of /var/cache/apt/archives...can anyone help me here |
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| 10:33.31 | PerfDave | Usiu: OK, you're running code from experimental, and mixing packages between two distros? I think you're really on your own. |
| 10:33.38 | Usiu | Shadur, nautilus crashes with 0xb667a6bc in init_gtk () |
| 10:33.38 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.39 | valdyn | undertow: you need what? |
| 10:33.43 | stouset | undertow: /var/cache/apt/archives is nothing more than a cache for downloaded debian packages |
| 10:33.50 | undertow | right, |
| 10:33.58 | stouset | undertow: the contents of the directory are basically perishable |
| 10:34.04 | Usiu | PerfDave, I'm just asking if anybody using experimental has the same problem with nautilus ... |
| 10:34.08 | undertow | stouset, not all of it |
| 10:34.20 | undertow | and i deleted everything in the folder to clear space |
| 10:34.24 | Usiu | Just wondering if its that ubuntu packages, or phyton... |
| 10:34.37 | stouset | undertow: there's a partial directory and a lock file. |
| 10:34.41 | Shadur | The world may never know. |
| 10:34.43 | valdyn | !depends nautilus |
| 10:34.47 | dpkg | nautilus: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.8.2), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libexif10, libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgnome-desktop-2 (>= 2.8.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), ... |
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| 10:35.27 | mathieu_ | anyone has any idea which languages are the most important/used on the web? atm i'm using the number of pages in wikipedia, but that'll probably be biased. |
| 10:35.28 | stouset | undertow: try "mkdir partial; touch lock" |
| 10:35.35 | undertow | stouset, that's it? |
| 10:35.42 | Usiu | valdyn, yes... it depends on those packages... but i recompiled nautilus and get the same error.. |
| 10:35.47 | stouset | undertow: from a cursory glance |
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| 10:36.09 | valdyn | Usiu: i see no python listed in the depends |
| 10:36.40 | undertow | stouset, apt-get gave errors without partial directory. thank you, that fixed it. |
| 10:36.56 | Usiu | valdyn, ok... maybe right.. |
| 10:37.05 | stouset | Usiu: Let me get this straight. You're using one experimental package. You're using one package from another distribution, which isn't even orthogonal to a package in Debian. You're recompiling another component from scratch. And you expect who, exactly, to be able to diagnose your problem? |
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| 10:37.27 | stouset | Usiu: =\ |
| 10:37.48 | valdyn | Usiu: i dont think that error has to do with either of those packages. |
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| 10:38.20 | Usiu | stouset, I dont want anybody... I was asking if anyone using experimental has such a problem... |
| 10:38.31 | Usiu | valdyn, thx |
| 10:38.48 | valdyn | Usiu: you could just tell what the error is. |
| 10:38.50 | stouset | Usiu: What is the problem? I don't think you've told us yet =\ |
| 10:38.57 | Usiu | I told.. |
| 10:39.21 | stouset | Usiu: Repeat? All I saw was something about nautilus, but nothing explicity. |
| 10:39.21 | Usiu | from /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so |
| 10:39.32 | Usiu | segfault when running nautilus.. |
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| 10:39.56 | stouset | Try, a) using non-experimental python |
| 10:40.02 | valdyn | I still dont see where nautilus uses python |
| 10:40.06 | stouset | And if that doesn't fix it, then I guess you know it's xorg |
| 10:40.13 | MobyTurbo | Usiu: Ubuntu uses python for a lot of stuff, but you can't expect help for that here. |
| 10:40.23 | stouset | valdyn: I believe nautilus uses python for scripting |
| 10:40.24 | Usiu | ok.. |
| 10:40.34 | stouset | valdyn: but that's all optional/extraneous stuff |
| 10:40.57 | valdyn | stouset: I see. |
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| 10:41.58 | Patad | hey whats the command to see when a person was last spotted? |
| 10:42.08 | valdyn | !seen Patad |
| 10:42.10 | dpkg | patad is currently on #debian (38s). Has said a total of 243 messages. Is idling for 12s |
| 10:42.21 | stouset | !seen Jesus |
| 10:42.21 | dpkg | jesus <~will@host217-42-190-23.range217-42.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 110d 21h 16m 58s ago, saying: 'Guerin: No, I'm not.'. |
| 10:42.22 | Patad | thats auwsome |
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| 10:42.28 | stouset | I knew Jesus was watching me. |
| 10:42.34 | tag | my system crashed earlier |
| 10:42.36 | Patad | !seen DerJamster |
| 10:42.37 | dpkg | derjamster <~versis@prag101.server4you.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 40d 12h 59m 26s ago, saying: 'Yay root.'. |
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| 10:42.42 | tag | and now tons of stuff is just not working |
| 10:42.47 | Patad | 40days!! |
| 10:42.53 | blahdeblah | stouset: I knew that without looking on IRC. :-) |
| 10:42.56 | tag | it crashed, as in inappropriate shutdown (battery ran out) |
| 10:43.00 | valdyn | tag: restore from backup |
| 10:43.11 | stouset | blahdeblah: well some of us need confirmation, okay? |
| 10:43.13 | tag | valdyn: I don't back up *everything* |
| 10:43.18 | tag | only my code and whatnot |
| 10:43.26 | blahdeblah | ;-) |
| 10:43.42 | blahdeblah | Any subversion folks here? #svn seems quiet ATM |
| 10:43.47 | stouset | I'm here. |
| 10:43.55 | stouset | Subverting as usual. |
| 10:44.06 | blahdeblah | OK, Q for you: In the svn book, the recommended practice for vendor branches is to import into current, copy current to a numbered vendor branch, then merge from current into trunk. My question is: is this a technical requirement, or simply the usual process? |
| 10:44.19 | stouset | Usual process. |
| 10:44.20 | valdyn | tag: you can try fsck on your filesystems, but nothing really can fix a harddiskes head doing random stuff when a battery runs out |
| 10:44.45 | tag | blahdeblah: a usual process inherited from CVS's horrid inflexibility |
| 10:45.03 | stouset | valdyn: Jesus can. |
| 10:45.24 | blahdeblah | stouset/tag: When using CVS, my normal practice was simply to import directly as a numbered vendor branch, then merge from the latest vendor branch into the trunk. Will this work with svn? |
| 10:45.26 | stouset | valdyn: I hear he's busy this time of year though. |
| 10:45.30 | tag | valdyn: yeah I dunno, just wierdness all around...fsck obviously was run, it said it found a single error and corrected it |
| 10:45.57 | tag | blahdeblah: should work fine |
| 10:45.58 | stouset | blahdeblah: IIRC, the book actually said why you should do the way it said |
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| 10:46.19 | blahdeblah | Did it? I must have missed it. |
| 10:46.30 | stouset | blahdeblah: I would look, but I loaned the book to a coworker. |
| 10:46.37 | stouset | blahdeblah: It's online. |
| 10:46.41 | tag | anyway, I was just wondering if there was some way I could check the integrity of each installed package |
| 10:46.51 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 10:46.51 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 10:46.51 | stouset | tag: debsums is a good start |
| 10:46.57 | stouset | Jesus. |
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| 10:46.59 | tag | cool debsums |
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| 10:47.02 | stouset | That is one hell of a command. |
| 10:47.09 | valdyn | tag: see what dpkg said, though that cannot fix your config files.. |
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| 10:47.51 | MobyTurbo | stouset: the one iwth awk isnt so long. |
| 10:48.12 | MobyTurbo | s/iwth/with |
| 10:48.12 | stouset | MobyTurbo: I'm surprised it can't be done in 0.4 lines of Perl. |
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| 10:48.34 | MobyTurbo | dpkg, awk, xargs. Three elements in the pipeline. |
| 10:48.39 | blahdeblah | stouset: I'm reading http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s04.html - any idea where it gives the rationale? |
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| 10:49.24 | stouset | blahdeblah: given, it's 6AM for me, I have yet to sleep, and I read the book three months ago, I *believe* it talked about this in the branching section as well |
| 10:49.24 | blahdeblah | stouset: It seems to me that it would be simpler just to have one tag for each vendor drop. |
| 10:49.43 | stouset | blahdeblah: or at least something similar. |
| 10:50.03 | tag | valdyn: Thanks, I don't think the config files are a problem, actually |
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| 10:50.21 | blahdeblah | stouset: :-) Fair enough. I might just try it the traditional CVS way and see what happens... Thanks for the tips. |
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| 10:52.12 | qwertz | Is there any way to get the idle/standby timers for a harddisk? (hdparm has only an option to set standby and /proc/ide/hdX/settings doesn't show standby values |
| 10:52.51 | tag | valdyn: neither of those really worked |
| 10:52.53 | tag | just btw |
| 10:55.33 | Nurbs | qwertz: don't think one can read the current state back |
| 10:56.16 | stouset | qwertz: /agree Nurbs. I believe it's only a settable property, not readable. |
| 10:56.28 | stouset | qwertz: why do you need to see them? |
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| 10:57.49 | llama32 | i have 2 2gb hard drives (and an 80gb one for xp, but im scared to partition it cus my mum will kill me if it dies), and currently im using one of them, but now i think i need more space, so if i reinstall using the 2 HDs, what would be a good partition setup? maybe a /usr on the one hd, then / and swap on the other one? |
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| 10:58.21 | WaruiInu | i have a router with several subnets on same interface (br0), i have send_redirects set to 1, all of them, but the router does not send any of the icmp redirects. redirect_load is 0, redirect_number is 500 (works very well on other machines). What else did i miss? |
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| 10:58.43 | stouset | llama32: If you're just using it for a desktop, you're not going to see much of a performance difference through special partitioning schemes. Especially if you rarely go into swap. |
| 10:58.56 | stouset | llama32: Just leave the Windows hard drive alone, I suppose. |
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| 11:00.35 | visual | any1 knows how can i change resolution and refresh rate? |
| 11:00.37 | visual | using fluxbox |
| 11:00.51 | WaruiInu | xrandr |
| 11:01.12 | llama32 | stouset: i want to use both the 2gb hard drives though... i cant just use them both as / :) |
| 11:02.33 | llama32 | maybe ill just save up for a decent HD that i can install all the linux i want on :) |
| 11:03.07 | llama32 | visual: xf86config? |
| 11:03.30 | llama32 | of course thats gonna need a restart of x |
| 11:04.05 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:04.05 | d3s | I installed apache and php4 including libapache-mod-php4.. I add the AddType application/x-httpd-php .php stuff but I still get the php file downloaded and not interpreted on the webserver |
| 11:04.26 | Overand | d3s: have you restarted apache yet? |
| 11:04.45 | Overand | sudo apachectl restart |
| 11:04.46 | stouset | d3s: In order for those to be executed, you need them in a ScriptAlias directory. |
| 11:04.59 | Overand | well |
| 11:05.03 | Overand | are you on 1.3 or 2.0? |
| 11:05.15 | Overand | on 1.3 i don't need to put anything in a special dir |
| 11:05.25 | stouset | Really? I've always needed to. |
| 11:05.31 | Overand | can't say i have. |
| 11:05.37 | Overand | but are you 2.0 or 1.3? |
| 11:05.41 | Overand | i have *no* experience with 2.0 |
| 11:05.44 | d3s | Overand: yes |
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| 11:06.00 | Overand | d3s: load the module |
| 11:06.01 | Overand | one sec |
| 11:06.03 | d3s | stouset: reading... |
| 11:06.10 | d3s | Overand: what module? |
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| 11:07.29 | Overand | d3s: the php |
| 11:07.31 | Overand | .so |
| 11:07.33 | Overand | one sec |
| 11:09.22 | visual | hrmpf wich apt i should download if i want to unzip *.zip files? |
| 11:09.27 | peterS | visual: unzip |
| 11:09.31 | Overand | d3s: /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 11:09.34 | visual | thx |
| 11:09.36 | peterS | amazingly enough (: |
| 11:09.38 | visual | hi peterS :) |
| 11:09.43 | raghu | broken packages : how to solve this |
| 11:09.45 | peterS | hey, visual |
| 11:09.48 | Overand | add: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 11:09.52 | peterS | visual: you lost your trailing _ |
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| 11:10.45 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:11.02 | visual | peterS, yeah happened:( i still miss it tho! |
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| 11:11.42 | peterS | raghu: anything that Depends: on python (>= 2.3) is intended for sarge. you have woody installed |
| 11:12.20 | raghu | peterS: how to solve this issue |
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| 11:12.34 | peterS | raghu: what package is this that you are having trouble with? where did you find it? |
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| 11:13.41 | MasterJim | hi |
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| 11:14.16 | raghu | peterS: whae i tried to install python2.3 it was giving this error |
| 11:14.35 | MasterJim | I got a problem with preseed with the debian-installer, auto partitionning doesn't work with custom recipe, it always ask to do it :'( |
| 11:14.54 | peterS | raghu: where did you get this python2.3? the error looks like you have debian stable (3.0) installed - is that true? |
| 11:15.06 | d3s | Overand: thx.. I never thought i would end up on that file |
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| 11:15.37 | raghu | peterS; yes |
| 11:16.06 | visual | ok dudes |
| 11:16.17 | peterS | raghu: then you want to either (a) upgrade to sarge (debian 3.1, not yet released), or (b) find a package of python 2.3 intended for debian 3.0 |
| 11:16.20 | visual | what "winamp", "msn messenger" i can use on debian:) |
| 11:16.20 | Nurbs | ... and dudettes |
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| 11:16.27 | raf256 | ok, Ive installed quake2 |
| 11:16.35 | raf256 | but it do not see data files it seems |
| 11:16.41 | peterS | visual: for 'winamp' try xmms, rhythmbox, or a lot of other apps |
| 11:16.44 | peterS | visual: for msn, try gaim |
| 11:16.51 | Nurbs | or sim |
| 11:16.51 | sdogi | well, new sarge installer is great and all |
| 11:16.54 | raf256 | Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx |
| 11:16.56 | Nurbs | eh, not sim, stupid me |
| 11:16.59 | sdogi | but somehow it won't find my hdd's |
| 11:17.06 | llama32 | so anyone would having 2gb /usr, and a 1.5gb / be ok? (yes theres a reason - 2 2gb hard drives...) |
| 11:17.10 | raghu | peterS: now i removed woody from source.list it is now not showing python2.3 |
| 11:17.32 | raghu | peterS: how to upgrade to sarge? |
| 11:17.40 | peterS | !woody->sarge |
| 11:17.50 | peterS | dpkg, wake up, dude |
| 11:17.54 | visual | thx |
| 11:18.02 | raghu | !sarge |
| 11:18.03 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
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| 11:18.20 | peterS | !woody->sarge |
| 11:18.21 | sdogi | when did the installer change btw? |
| 11:18.28 | raghu | !woody->sarge |
| 11:18.36 | sdogi | the mirror has totally wrong timestamps |
| 11:18.40 | sdogi | it has changed recently |
| 11:18.49 | sdogi | sarge floppy installer i mean |
| 11:18.58 | peterS | sdogi: what do you mean, when did it change? it's being developed constantly |
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| 11:19.01 | qwertz | stouset-sleep, I've a hd that is rarely used but when it's accessed it needs 4-5 seconds to send data - I guess it's caused by standby mode but I'd like to get sure |
| 11:19.42 | raghu | peterS:<dpkg> Someone already said that 8 seconds ago |
| 11:19.43 | sdogi | peterS: well it now shows a nice debian picture when booting, also it's now with curses, before it was just ugly text |
| 11:20.07 | raghu | !woody->sarge |
| 11:20.08 | sdogi | and it fails to detect my hdd's |
| 11:20.11 | peterS | sdogi: oh, *that* stuff was done at least a year ago |
| 11:20.26 | sdogi | i wonder if it's my mirrors problem then or something |
| 11:20.37 | sdogi | because i like installed debian some weeks ago |
| 11:20.47 | peterS | sdogi: as for failing to detect hard drives, that's a kernel driver issue with your IDE / SCSI / SATA chipset, probably |
| 11:20.53 | sdogi | and then i downloaded floppy images from my local mirror |
| 11:20.58 | visual | one more prob. |
| 11:21.05 | peterS | sdogi: try booting with the 'linux26' boot command. it'll use a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 11:21.05 | visual | how i can turn off these dumb "beeping" sounds |
| 11:21.10 | visual | if i accidently hit 1 more backspace orso |
| 11:21.11 | yang | I installed oidentd, but how do i run it? |
| 11:21.11 | raghu | peterS: it is not showing anything !woody->sarge |
| 11:21.11 | sdogi | peterS: true, but i can't seem to figure out |
| 11:21.18 | sdogi | peterS: oh, ok |
| 11:21.52 | peterS | sdogi: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 11:21.56 | peterS | sdogi: basically the same information |
| 11:21.59 | drac | yang: It's allready running? dpkg -L oidentd |
| 11:22.08 | spdf | visual setterm I believe.. |
| 11:22.12 | drac | yang: to see all files it installed, including configuration. |
| 11:22.40 | sdogi | peterS: could not find kernel image |
| 11:22.45 | visual | ohwell my fluxbox looks horrible |
| 11:22.56 | yang | drac: i can still specify another username when i connect to IRC |
| 11:22.59 | visual | im using 1028xsomething reso. |
| 11:23.02 | visual | having 15" monitor |
| 11:23.03 | peterS | sdogi: oh, if you're using floppies you have to use separate floppy images for the 2.6 kernel. only one kernel can fit on each set of floppies |
| 11:23.09 | visual | and half of the themes dont work |
| 11:23.13 | visual | and it just looks awful |
| 11:23.13 | drac | yang: yes, there is actually example of it in /etc/oidentd.conf |
| 11:23.40 | drac | yang: it's just commented out. edit it. and restart oidentd. /etc/init.d/oidentd restart |
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| 11:24.19 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.19 | yang | Starting ident daemon: oidentd. |
| 11:24.21 | gimper | hy |
| 11:24.28 | visual | spdf i checked setterm but i couldnt find how to turn these beeps off |
| 11:24.28 | sdogi | peterS: ok, i guess i'll try to mess with it for a while, funny i didn't have that problem on some other computer |
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| 11:24.45 | peterS | sdogi: 'some other computer' probably had a different IDE / SCSI / SATA interface |
| 11:25.04 | yang | drac: i set allow random -> deny random |
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| 11:25.57 | sdogi | peterS: well it's like actually complaining that kernel modules don't match the kernel i have on floppy |
| 11:26.05 | peterS | sdogi: anyway, the link where you downloaded the floppy images - there's also a 2.6 kernel directory with floppy images in it, from there |
| 11:26.09 | sdogi | peterS: modules that come from same mirror |
| 11:26.21 | sdogi | if i fail again i'll try those |
| 11:26.29 | peterS | sdogi: make sure you downloaded all 3 floppy images from the same directory. there are multiple sets of these things |
| 11:26.37 | yang | drac: and its not working... |
| 11:26.43 | sdogi | peterS: i did |
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| 11:27.14 | visual | peterS, how i turn these beeping sounds off? |
| 11:27.25 | sdogi | setterm -blenght 0 in console |
| 11:27.26 | drac | yang: I told you want you need to know. Read backlog. Don't know anything about any randoms. (: |
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| 11:27.56 | sdogi | and xset -b off in X |
| 11:28.20 | visual | sdogi, thx |
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| 11:28.32 | yang | drac: can i paste you oidentd.conf ? |
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| 11:29.36 | sdogi | visual: if you add setterm -blength 0 to some init file it would make it never beep again.. unfortunately i'm not yet familiar with system v init, but well maby you can figure it out |
| 11:29.45 | incorrect | i just noticed dell are shipping xeon 64 bit processors, has anyone tried these with debian? |
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| 11:31.32 | drac | yang: How about using pastebin.com ? |
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| 11:32.13 | drac | yang: Just change the bit saying "ROOT" to "yang" and the bit saying "UNKNOWN" to "anything_you_want" and uncomment those lines? |
| 11:33.35 | yang | drac: no, i need to enable oident for all users |
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| 11:33.49 | yang | drac: so nobody can fake usernames |
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| 11:33.57 | MasterJim | I got a problem with preseed with the debian-installer, auto partitionning doesn't work with custom recipe, it always ask to do it :'( |
| 11:34.45 | yang | drac: i ll paste config to #flood |
| 11:35.07 | Coke | Is there going to be a program posted for debconf 5 anytime soon? The debconf5 site has no program available. |
| 11:35.26 | PerfDave | Coke: /bin/debconf? ;) |
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| 11:35.54 | reNegad3 | where can I hard code the $DISPLAY var for root? |
| 11:36.08 | PerfDave | reNegad3: Why do you think you want to do that? |
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| 11:36.52 | Gecko | Hello, if I had a debian for i386 but am running amd64, would it be possible to change arch without much trouble? |
| 11:37.10 | reNegad3 | PerfDave, I want to be able to run apps using su |
| 11:37.15 | PerfDave | reNegad3: Use sux |
| 11:37.16 | reNegad3 | and it doesnt allow me to |
| 11:37.20 | PerfDave | Gecko: Debian ia32 runs very happily on amd64. Sarge has amd64-specific kernels |
| 11:37.27 | reNegad3 | sux, ive never heard of it PerfDave |
| 11:37.33 | PerfDave | reNegad3: /msg dpkg sux |
| 11:37.41 | reNegad3 | ok ta |
| 11:37.50 | Gecko | PerfDave: what about apps? Doesn't it have ia64 specific packages? |
| 11:38.14 | PerfDave | Gecko: There are unofficial amd64 debian ports, see #debian-amd64 |
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| 11:38.35 | Gecko | PerfDave: ok. |
| 11:38.40 | PerfDave | Gecko: But there are quite a few hassles involved (not least the fact that they're Sid-based) so if you haven't got a compelling reason to use them then I wouldn't bother. |
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| 11:38.56 | Gecko | PerfDave: I see... Thanks for the advice |
| 11:39.33 | reNegad3 | thanks PerfDave ;) |
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| 11:41.57 | PerfDave | Plus with 8Gb RAM on that box, we need 64 bit apps to address all the memory :) |
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| 11:42.08 | getram22 | what is the difference in uclinux toolchain and linux tool chain |
| 11:42.45 | Gecko | getram22: uclinux is a system designed for really old machines, like the ones without a co-processor... |
| 11:43.16 | getram22 | Gecko, that is true but if i need to compile the tool chain for say Arm then |
| 11:43.21 | Gecko | getram22: so the difference between those two apps would probably mean that either some of the functionality is stripped down, or it's just been optimized for slow machines |
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| 11:43.45 | getram22 | what all i need to follow .....I see two toolcahins in snapgear one is uclinux and ther is linux toolchain |
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| 11:44.05 | Gecko | getram22: sorry, can't help you there :) |
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| 11:44.10 | getram22 | :P |
| 11:44.12 | getram22 | ok |
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| 11:44.31 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 11:45.44 | loadd77 | hello does someone of you guys knows a good gps software for debian linux? |
| 11:46.10 | simonrvn | @tell loadd77 -about search |
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| 11:46.36 | nix000 | any idea on how to pass prompts to programs like cvs. i am trying to automate it so that it does not ask the user for passwords every time the script needs to fetch code from a different repository |
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| 11:46.53 | loadd77 | i mean a card base gps manager |
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| 11:47.32 | PerfDave | nix000: Use ssh as a transport for CVS, key auth and ssh-agent. |
| 11:47.33 | nix000 | loadd77, i am looking for gps time synch as well ... |
| 11:47.53 | sdogi | visual: päris hea on kaasmaalasele abiks olla :) |
| 11:47.56 | exalted | i know that this can be an assue to ask on laptop channel, but worth to try in here also: anyone with experiences with debian on nx5000? |
| 11:47.59 | sdogi | ilma seda ise aimamata |
| 11:48.01 | visual | sdogi, irw |
| 11:48.13 | nix000 | PerfDave, ok .. but in general there is no other way then ? |
| 11:48.18 | visual | sdogi, ytle mis WM v6i DE sa kasutad? |
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| 11:48.32 | visual | sdogi, ei leia kuidagi normaalset:P |
| 11:48.40 | PerfDave | nix000: No idea. I use ssh for remote logins anyway, so using it for CVS was trivial. |
| 11:48.45 | sdogi | visual: kde põhiliselt, või fluxbox |
| 11:48.58 | feng | How to set image type as the default type of ftp? |
| 11:49.02 | visual | sdogi, hmm fluxbox, ma ei saanud fluxboxiga theme korralikult t88le jne |
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| 11:49.05 | PerfDave | exalted: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 11:49.09 | visual | sdogi, ja sitt kraafika tuli |
| 11:49.27 | exalted | PerfDave, let`s see... |
| 11:49.36 | sdogi | visual: mnjah, kui fluxboxi ja need gdesklets'id jms tööle saad siis saab fluxboxi täitsa ilusaks teha |
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| 11:50.14 | exalted | PerfDave, what should i have to expect with this line? seems nothing happen |
| 11:50.27 | sdogi | anyone done debian floppy install recently? |
| 11:50.43 | yang | Dell recommends Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional |
| 11:51.06 | sdogi | visual: aa kui arvuti piisavalt võimas siis ma ikka panen kde peale, gnome tundub hakkavad välja surema või midagi |
| 11:51.33 | PerfDave | !tell exalted -about msgdpkg |
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| 11:52.27 | exalted | PerfDave, dkpg tells me nothin' |
| 11:52.28 | feng | anyone helps me? |
| 11:52.28 | cafuego | Dell also used to recommend RDRAM and Celerons. |
| 11:52.37 | cafuego | I think we can safely assume they got no clue. |
| 11:52.45 | REds | lol |
| 11:52.49 | REds | rdram haha |
| 11:53.07 | REds | i just saw that and laughed ;p |
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| 11:53.20 | edward_ | what's the reason for 2.6.11.3... ? small updates... ? |
| 11:53.33 | dravey_ | uhm, latest update borked all my fonts. any idea why? |
| 11:53.34 | cafuego | edward_: See the Changelog file. |
| 11:53.37 | PerfDave | exalted: Then your IRC client must be broken, dpkg is working fine. |
| 11:53.37 | REds | urm |
| 11:53.41 | PerfDave | !laptop |
| 11:53.41 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 11:53.43 | llama32 | anyone here use xfce4? just wondering how popular it is... |
| 11:53.44 | REds | its not enuf for a full update, |
| 11:54.06 | REds | but some bugs needed to be fixed basically ; edward_ |
| 11:54.14 | PerfDave | !polls |
| 11:54.14 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:54.18 | REds | urgent things i mean |
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| 11:54.41 | MobyTurbo | !be a thomas_adam barbie |
| 11:54.42 | dpkg | awwww, thomas_adam is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 11:55.05 | visual | sdogi, ma tegin |
| 11:55.09 | MobyTurbo | shoot, I thought it was an fvwm message. :-) |
| 11:55.09 | exalted | PerfDave, strange, thx anyway |
| 11:55.15 | cafuego | It's a lot more changes that .1 or .2 had |
| 11:55.15 | visual | sdogi, just eile lasin debiani floppyde pealt peale |
| 11:55.54 | sdogi | visual: sarge? |
| 11:55.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:56.00 | edward_ | ok.., kernel.org was slow.. ;) |
| 11:56.01 | sdogi | visual: või siis stable |
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| 11:56.25 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:56.25 | visual | sdogi, sarge |
| 11:56.31 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: at least it wasn't Penix |
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| 11:56.34 | cafuego | is kernel.org dying or is it just my dsl link? |
| 11:56.45 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Penix is always floppy. |
| 11:56.54 | sdogi | visual: kust imaged tõmbasid? ftp.linux.ee ? |
| 11:56.59 | sdogi | visual: krt mul on mingi masina kamm siis |
| 11:57.01 | simonrvn | cafuego: probably got an insane load avg. |
| 11:57.03 | sdogi | proovin compaq'i |
| 11:57.07 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: my dial-up link is getting 49kbs at kernel.org |
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| 11:57.31 | visual | sdogi, daily imageid on vaja |
| 11:57.39 | visual | sdogi, 3 floppit, 3 imaget, kohe ytlen lingi |
| 11:57.45 | sdogi | visual: ok |
| 11:57.50 | simonrvn | english please |
| 11:57.53 | dravey_ | maybe that was a bad idea... |
| 11:58.00 | cafuego | floody vodka'd up finns |
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| 11:58.21 | sdogi | simonrvn: we are talking english, you are just seeing foggy :) |
| 11:58.22 | cafuego | Oh lord, estonians even |
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| 11:58.36 | drac | koskenkorva in finn :) |
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| 11:58.39 | llama32 | <cough> racist </cough> :P |
| 11:58.39 | simonrvn | yeh, and i'm the bishop of rome |
| 11:58.47 | sdogi | hehehe |
| 11:58.49 | cafuego | llama32 ? |
| 11:59.03 | simonrvn | llama32: you an idiot? finnish is not a race |
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| 11:59.13 | dravey_ | simonrvn: I disagree. |
| 11:59.26 | sdogi | lol |
| 11:59.35 | cafuego | llama32: finns and estonians are caucasians, like me. Same race. I can call 'em whatever I like. |
| 11:59.48 | treestone | That's not a race either. |
| 11:59.49 | sdogi | yeah right there is an american race, and french race, and then there is a german race and russian race |
| 11:59.54 | cafuego | llama32: and *know* for a fact the like vodka <heh> |
| 11:59.56 | llama32 | simonrvn: then what do u call someone from finland? |
| 11:59.56 | visual | sdogi, takes little time |
| 11:59.59 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:59.59 | sdogi | and lot of other fancy races |
| 12:00.04 | dravey_ | finns are veryspecial :p |
| 12:00.04 | simonrvn | a finn |
| 12:00.10 | sdogi | cat and dog are races too |
| 12:00.16 | simonrvn | or suomi |
| 12:00.16 | treestone | No, that's species |
| 12:00.20 | cafuego | sdogi: No, those are species. |
| 12:00.22 | simonrvn | sheesh |
| 12:00.23 | llama32 | and a language cant be "vodka'd up" |
| 12:00.27 | jm_ | well I have a message for finns then: saunominen on homojen hommaa |
| 12:00.28 | sdogi | cafuego: oh really?! |
| 12:00.35 | llama32 | rofl |
| 12:00.48 | godless | xit |
| 12:00.49 | cafuego | llama32: "finns" are people. "finnish" is a language. |
| 12:01.02 | cafuego | llama32: Lay off the booze before you attempt grammar <heh> |
| 12:01.03 | dravey_ | finished |
| 12:01.24 | cafuego | sdogi: Well, they were last time I checked. |
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| 12:01.51 | electrika | hi to everybody |
| 12:01.58 | sdogi | cafuego: man, i had no idea.. |
| 12:02.12 | cafuego | sdogi: yes, inter species sex is BAD. |
| 12:02.15 | llama32 | cafeugo: wipe ur chin... your driblin' 5#!+ :P |
| 12:02.34 | cafuego | llama32: same goes for spelling |
| 12:02.42 | llama32 | byebye all... must sleep some time |
| 12:02.42 | llama32 | ROFL |
| 12:02.46 | simonrvn | @ur |
| 12:02.47 | ravenbird | ur is probably the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 12:02.48 | sdogi | anyway racists seem to be guys who actually don't like a lot of things usually somehow |
| 12:03.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: leetspeak doesn't wanna die down under |
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| 12:03.30 | cafuego | sdogi: Indeed. |
| 12:03.38 | simonrvn | sdogi: racism is a learned behaviour. usually stems from fear of the unknown, and driven by hate. |
| 12:03.50 | cafuego | sdogi: and i *like* vodka, so I can't be a racist ;-) |
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| 12:04.24 | dravey_ | simonrvn: I think ignorance isn't learned. |
| 12:04.29 | visual | sdogi, hmm sec otsin ikka |
| 12:04.33 | llama32 | cafeugo: in case you didnt notice (perhaps you are stupid, or simply... american :P) i deliberately mis-spell lots of things, such as 5#!+ - not a typo... still i am a crap speller tho :) |
| 12:04.35 | sdogi | visual: ma kah :D |
| 12:04.42 | dravey_ | it's bred. |
| 12:04.48 | simonrvn | dravey_: i didn't say ignorance |
| 12:04.49 | cafuego | llama32: YOU WILL TAKE THAT BACK! |
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| 12:05.17 | cafuego | llama32: You can say many things, you can even mess with the hair, but you will NOT call me american. |
| 12:05.36 | visual | any1 remembers the address to joey's daily images for sarge? |
| 12:05.37 | llama32 | rofl |
| 12:05.45 | dravey_ | simonrvn: seems to me fear of the unknown is an instinct. |
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| 12:05.47 | cafuego | bloody colonial upstart |
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| 12:07.05 | visual | sdogi, http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 12:07.24 | sdogi | visual: poles vist iial leidnud seda |
| 12:07.37 | llama32 | cafeugo: your right, calling you an american isnt very nice... i know, its a disability... |
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| 12:07.45 | simonrvn | dravey_: yes, you do need to realise that the reaction to that fear *is* learned. how a person deals with fear is learned. and how people deal with unknown things is gotten from the parents/parental guardians. and if they're a couple of racist idjits, then the children might become that, if they don't have other influences. |
| 12:07.47 | visual | sdogi, mine /floppy/ ja sealt t6mba boot.img, net-drivers.img ja root.img |
| 12:07.48 | Coke | yes, make evolution go away. hm. I also always thought the name "evolution" was a self-contradiction in the matter. |
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| 12:08.00 | cafuego | Coke: <heh> |
| 12:08.02 | visual | sdogi, pane kolme diski peale, siis lykka boot.img sisse ja boodi yles selle pealt |
| 12:08.15 | visual | sdogi, siis varsti kysib root.img floppit, siis paned tolle jne |
| 12:08.17 | visual | sdogi, easy |
| 12:08.17 | sdogi | visual: yep tean juba seda protsessi :) |
| 12:08.20 | Chameleon22 | http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article106.php |
| 12:08.25 | blackmariah | So how do you boot from a CD if you have a USB keyboard? I can't "press any key to boot from CD". |
| 12:08.35 | cafuego | visual/sdogi; seriously though, if you need to speak estonian/finnish, please use /msg. |
| 12:08.43 | Nurbs | blackmariah: enable it in the BIOS. |
| 12:08.46 | Coke | blackmariah: you should have a bios that supports usb keyboards. |
| 12:08.46 | visual | cafuego, lol finnish:D |
| 12:08.50 | sdogi | visual: asi selles, et mul see arvuti paistab streikivad tavaliste sarge floppy'de vastu... ei leia mu kõvakettaid üles kuna kernel ja kerneli moodulid erinevad |
| 12:08.53 | dravey_ | simonrvn: I think a lot of psychologists disagree about this subject as well, so we might as well leave it alone ;) |
| 12:09.06 | visual | sdogi, thats why ya need daily images |
| 12:09.12 | cafuego | visual: Well, I haven't seen much writtene stonian, kinda looks like finnish to me. |
| 12:09.14 | visual | sdogi, i had same prob |
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| 12:09.33 | visual | someone tell me some good windows manager... |
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| 12:09.41 | slummer | try 'file filename.db' |
| 12:09.43 | Coke | windows manager, huh? |
| 12:09.48 | visual | tried fluxbox and icewm both are fast but look ugly, and themes dont help |
| 12:09.48 | blackmariah | Why the hell do I have to press a freaking key anyway? I didn't have to do that until I installed Debian. |
| 12:09.53 | slummer | sorry, wrong window. |
| 12:09.54 | simonrvn | dravey_: true. i'm of the mix of nuture and nature. both play a role in human development |
| 12:10.06 | llama32 | cafeugo: remember to take your medication, and for the good of the world, do not leave america, diseases must be contained... i must be off... |
| 12:10.07 | cafuego | visual: Well. try xfce4... |
| 12:10.18 | blackmariah | visual: Fluxbox, Window Maker, and XFCE are my favorites. |
| 12:10.19 | Coke | blackmariah: because you have many options on your installer environment |
| 12:10.21 | cafuego | llama32: I'm already near you... |
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| 12:10.39 | llama32 | byebye ppl, not that anyone will bother reading this... |
| 12:10.40 | visual | blacke, isnt xfce DE and needs lots of ram? |
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| 12:10.49 | Coke | No, he wants a Windows manager. Like someone who is an MSCE |
| 12:10.49 | cafuego | visual: ugly/pretty are a bit too subjective to be much use though. |
| 12:10.51 | llama32 | yay an xfce mention :) |
| 12:10.59 | visual | blackmariah, isnt xfce DE and needs lots of ram? |
| 12:11.05 | MobyTurbo | blackmariah: I have a USB keyboard. Make sure "legacy" support is activated in your BIOS |
| 12:11.07 | cipherz | when you run dpkg-buildpackage is there a way to make it not overwrite the debian/rules file ? |
| 12:11.16 | dravey_ | simonrvn: I agree there is probably a mix. |
| 12:11.27 | cipherz | I want to link php5 packages to pgsql 8.0.1 but so far it keeps linking it with the deb pgsql 7.4.7 :\ |
| 12:11.28 | Coke | visual: if you want small footprint use icewm or ratpoison |
| 12:11.29 | visual | i would use xfce4 if it would run smoothly on 333mhz, 64ram, 8mb video |
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| 12:11.37 | sdogi | visual: visual xfce is actually pretty fast |
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| 12:11.50 | cafuego | cipherz: is php5 officially in debian? |
| 12:11.54 | visual | yeah but is it fast with 64ram? |
| 12:11.55 | blackmariah | visual: Yeah, don't use it on that. It would die. Window Maker and Fluxbox are good choices. |
| 12:11.57 | llama32 | visual: it ran smooth on my 200mhz/64mb |
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| 12:12.01 | cafuego | visual: ouch :-) |
| 12:12.04 | SlayerXP | morning hash-dweebians |
| 12:12.07 | Coke | visual: icewm = very small |
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| 12:12.13 | simonrvn | dravey_: i know that for a fact - call it anecdotal evidence and personal experience :) |
| 12:12.15 | cipherz | cafuego: nope not yet but I used the php5 packages from people.debian.org/~dexter they work fine |
| 12:12.18 | visual | well i try xfce4:P |
| 12:12.21 | sdogi | icewm could be nice too |
| 12:12.25 | simonrvn | (not very objective i know ;) |
| 12:12.31 | cipherz | cafuego: neither pgsql 8.0.1 nor php5 is in debian official yet |
| 12:12.34 | cafuego | cipherz: Well, for varying values of "fine" <heh> |
| 12:12.40 | ricky_clarkson | Are metacity and sawfish big? |
| 12:12.41 | adaran | hello everyone. i'm having a problem with a package that depends on another (but works fine without) and therefore causes apt-get to complain, urging me to run apt-get -f install |
| 12:12.46 | adaran | how do i fix that? |
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| 12:12.57 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Depends on whether you count the Gnome rdep. |
| 12:12.59 | cipherz | cafuego: well php5 is stable and it runs without problems :P |
| 12:13.04 | visual | using icewm atm, and it looks dumb:P |
| 12:13.04 | skydoll | lu tous |
| 12:13.07 | visual | tho its quick |
| 12:13.11 | cipherz | been using php5 for quite some time but want to do it the true debian way... |
| 12:13.12 | llama32 | xfce4 is surprisingly fast considering the way it looks |
| 12:13.19 | cafuego | cipherz: I've got some issues with it, gd and pdflib. |
| 12:13.24 | sdogi | visual: try xfce 3 something.. latest 3, it can be faster as it's older but still stable |
| 12:13.26 | Coke | cipherz: then use Python |
| 12:13.34 | cipherz | cafuego: my gd/pdflib works well |
| 12:13.37 | simonrvn | cipherz: that uri you pasted has some working sources. |
| 12:13.38 | blackmariah | visual: You have a choice. Either you get fast or you get pretty. 333 with 64mb doesn't leave you much room in the middle |
| 12:13.46 | cipherz | simonrvn: I know thats not the issue |
| 12:13.48 | sdogi | visual: it's in my freebsd ports dir so it should work |
| 12:13.58 | cipherz | the issue is that dpkg-buildpackage untars and overwrites my debian/rules file |
| 12:14.06 | cipherz | that I modified to make it link with pgsql 8.0.1 |
| 12:14.07 | Coke | visual: change theme of icewm |
| 12:14.08 | blackmariah | ... |
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| 12:14.16 | cafuego | cipherz: Anyway, you can chattr +i the rules file.. or betetr yet,e dit the build stage that re-creates the rules file. |
| 12:14.33 | visual | Coke, i have done it but it still has same construction |
| 12:14.33 | cipherz | cafuego: what ? |
| 12:14.53 | visual | sdogi, yeah xfce3 was built on some other technology, xfce4 uses g...whatever it was and makes it slower |
| 12:14.55 | cafuego | cipherz: You can chattr +i the rules file.. or better yet, edit the build stage that re-creates the rules file. |
| 12:14.56 | visual | i try both tho |
| 12:15.02 | simonrvn | cipherz: i'd switch to php5, simple reason it's better behaved on the arch i'm running the web server on, but some vhosts' php files don't work due to some of the api changes (not just a simple s/var/public/ either :/) |
| 12:15.17 | cipherz | cafuego: afaik its the dpkg-buildpacakge command that untars my php5_orig... file |
| 12:15.20 | blackmariah | okay, so I have to edit my BIOS to be able to use the keyboard at boot time... anyone else see the problem here? |
| 12:15.26 | visual | i had gnome at start but almost died to it:D |
| 12:15.31 | blackmariah | Hands up all that do! ;) |
| 12:15.32 | sdogi | visual: ok.. it'st just when i last tried xfce4 on my slackware it was a bit slow on my transmeta crusoe 566~ with 256ram |
| 12:15.33 | cipherz | cafuego: I just want to build the deb files from the dir as in skip the untar step |
| 12:15.44 | cafuego | cipherz: Then what you need is a custom patch you can simply drop into the debian/patches directory. |
| 12:15.46 | sdogi | visual: but somehow i remember xfce3 was much faster |
| 12:15.58 | cipherz | simonrvn: well I'm starting on a new project from scratch so it seems like a good choice to do it with php5 from the beginning |
| 12:16.00 | Coke | visual: what "construction" would that be? |
| 12:16.04 | cafuego | cipherz: How are you building them? |
| 12:16.07 | simonrvn | cipherz: yup |
| 12:16.14 | cipherz | cafuego: I just go to the php5-... dir and run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:16.30 | llama32 | xfce4 was fast [maybe not as fast as like blackbox or something, but still smooth] and pretty on my 200mhz/64mb 5#!+box |
| 12:16.35 | cipherz | building deb packages have always been a problem for me because that darned script keeps untar'ing the orig file so my manual patch work is forgotten |
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| 12:17.09 | cipherz | simonrvn: but README.Debian for php5-pgsql mentions scary/strange bugs if you use compile it against a wrong version compared to the running pgsql server |
| 12:17.15 | cafuego | cipherz: Hmmyeas, you may need to comment out some yada shit in the rules file. |
| 12:17.32 | simonrvn | cipherz: i didn't change anything re: build-dep |
| 12:17.33 | cipherz | cafuego: dude the problem is the whole rules file is being overwritten |
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| 12:17.50 | cipherz | simonrvn: ? |
| 12:17.52 | cafuego | cipherz: I know. Guess what is cauing that to happen? A rule in the rules file. |
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| 12:18.00 | clusty | how do I report a bug in a Debian package? |
| 12:18.02 | simonrvn | yada is the culprit there (re-writing of the rules file) |
| 12:18.08 | ricky_clarkson | clusty: bugs.debian.org (or reportbug) |
| 12:18.10 | cipherz | ahhh |
| 12:18.37 | cipherz | yada rebuild rules <- is the culprit I assume |
| 12:18.38 | Coke | clusty: apt-get install reportbug |
| 12:18.45 | Coke | clusty: and then do it from the comfort of your prompt |
| 12:18.50 | cipherz | is it safe just to outcomment that one line ? |
| 12:18.50 | cafuego | cipherz: See that 'yada rebuild rules' ? |
| 12:18.52 | sdogi | man i hate when you have like 3 keyboards near you and you do multitasking with multitasking OS's |
| 12:18.56 | cafuego | just make that say echo yada rebuild rules |
| 12:19.01 | simonrvn | i ran apt-get build-dep, installed the stuff, ran debuild, and it worked fine |
| 12:19.14 | WaruiInu | come on, somebody tell me what to do to make icmp redirects working |
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| 12:19.19 | cipherz | exactly thought that by outcommenting the line above would mess up |
| 12:19.19 | cafuego | And you prolly eant to do that to rebuold control too. |
| 12:19.24 | visual | kewl |
| 12:19.27 | visual | xfce is good |
| 12:19.33 | visual | i like the little mouse:) |
| 12:19.34 | Coke | visual: but bloated |
| 12:19.35 | visual | so i keep xfce |
| 12:19.42 | dravey_ | defoma-reconfigure did me little good :/ |
| 12:19.43 | cafuego | cipherz: The one above is just a build target |
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| 12:19.48 | sdogi | visual: i liked the little mouse too :) |
| 12:20.06 | cafuego | And on that note it's bed time. |
| 12:20.06 | blackmariah | bloated = "Actually works without having to know how many blocks of memory each file on your system takes up" |
| 12:20.14 | sdogi | just great.. one floppy to dumpster again |
| 12:20.26 | visual | sdogi, go your floppy install to work? |
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| 12:21.06 | sdogi | visual: wrote the boot floppy, formating the root floppy. but seems it won't verify it.. have to find more floppies |
| 12:21.13 | cipherz | got another question anyone had problems building centericq 4.20 from source ? |
| 12:21.21 | sdogi | heh |
| 12:21.24 | sdogi | it did verify it now |
| 12:21.51 | sdogi | floppies suck |
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| 12:23.02 | sdogi | visual: one floppy left and then i'll try it out |
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| 12:23.21 | rossi | sry anyone knows a good music produsing program for debian like propellerhead reason ?? |
| 12:23.52 | sdogi | what's propellerhead |
| 12:24.01 | sdogi | propellerhead reason |
| 12:24.03 | rossi | it is a company |
| 12:24.36 | sdogi | what can you do with that program exacly? |
| 12:24.45 | rossi | it is a music producing program with a lot of things you can do with like a produsing studio |
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| 12:25.18 | rossi | you have a lot of devices from a studio which in real you all would have to buy |
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| 12:25.56 | sdogi | well, better just browse something like audio or multimedia packages and find something there, doesn't seem like very specific thing |
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| 12:26.12 | sdogi | also maybe it's available for linux too check it out |
| 12:26.14 | dravey_ | rossi: you won't find anything like reason. |
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| 12:26.34 | sdogi | i bet it's not free and you pirated it anyway |
| 12:26.43 | dravey_ | it's not free. |
| 12:26.58 | sdogi | so you could run it through wine, or when you want to pirate even more then through cedega |
| 12:26.59 | rossi | dravey do you know anything better than reason ? |
| 12:27.12 | dravey_ | rossi: nah, but I run reason on my mac. |
| 12:27.37 | rossi | so back 2 win |
| 12:27.49 | rossi | techno |
| 12:28.08 | _Hideki | Hi, i get permission denied mounting a nfs share that is mounting on smb. |
| 12:28.31 | SlayerXP | _Hideki, sounds like a good thing to me |
| 12:28.33 | _Hideki | does smb mounted share not allow re-exporting to nfs? |
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| 12:28.47 | _Hideki | good thing means what? |
| 12:30.34 | Skyblaze | how can i make gtk application fonts more large on kde? |
| 12:30.40 | Skyblaze | with sid |
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| 12:31.40 | dravey_ | heh, what's pistachio? |
| 12:32.07 | SlayerXP | dravey_: I type of nut |
| 12:32.25 | dravey_ | SlayerXP: I meant the microkernel thingie in unstable. |
| 12:33.43 | clusty | Coke: thanx |
| 12:33.57 | _Hideki | is it a prob re-exporting smb share to nfs? |
| 12:33.58 | drac | Skyblaze: 'apt-cache search xfonts | grep transcoded', and try installing those packages. In case I guessed your problem correctly. |
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| 12:37.54 | sdogi | visual: well, one thing is sure, estonian debian mirror sucks |
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| 12:38.36 | sdogi | visual: i have had too many problems with it, i guess i'll be using finland's mirror from now on |
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| 12:38.43 | invitado | hi |
| 12:38.50 | graytron | sdogi: good pick! |
| 12:38.54 | sdogi | visual: anyway, this far everything is ok :) |
| 12:39.00 | invitado | Is any of you using hal + pmount? |
| 12:39.01 | visual | sdogi, wait |
| 12:39.03 | visual | sdogi, dont use fin |
| 12:39.09 | visual | sdogi, ftp.sunet.se |
| 12:39.10 | visual | :) |
| 12:39.13 | invitado | I'm traying to automount devices |
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| 12:39.17 | graytron | visual: no no no |
| 12:39.24 | sdogi | why that? |
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| 12:39.35 | graytron | sdogi: ftp.fi.debian.org |
| 12:39.37 | visual | sdogi, and estonian mirror worked fine for me...i downloaded my debian 1.6MB/s from there |
| 12:39.47 | invitado | I have made a small script that mounts usb devices like memorystricks |
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| 12:39.53 | visual | sdogi, but sunet debian mirror is much faster than finnish ones |
| 12:39.58 | visual | sdogi, i have tried |
| 12:40.03 | drac | invitado: They do that by default. |
| 12:40.09 | invitado | but it mounts them with mode 700 |
| 12:40.27 | drac | invitado: They do that also, it's just matter of editing /etc/fstab. |
| 12:40.28 | invitado | so only the uset tha has monted it is able to access the device |
| 12:40.35 | sdogi | visual: it did for me too once.. this time it didn't.. i chose finlands it did, also i once had problem with apt-file i think, then i discovered that estonian debian mirror had wrong permissions for some files |
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| 12:40.46 | visual | hehe |
| 12:40.54 | visual | any1 knows where i can find some conf. help about xfce? |
| 12:40.58 | sdogi | visual: i wrote about it to okul and he fixed it it seems though |
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| 12:41.07 | simonrvn | !any1 |
| 12:41.07 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 12:41.08 | visual | eg. how can i use downloaded themes on xfce |
| 12:41.18 | Faithful | ls |
| 12:41.25 | drac | visual: www.xfce.org has good documentation :) |
| 12:41.29 | sdogi | anyway this time i had another problem and i don't bother to check it out anymore |
| 12:42.14 | sdogi | igatahes, need daily snapshotid ruulivad, töötavad täpselt nii nagu peavad töötama, ei mingit jama |
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| 12:42.33 | ricky_clarkson | sdogi: Your cat is SAT ON YOUR KEYBOARD. |
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| 12:45.00 | visual | hohoho, anyone knows how i can get my middle-mousebutton and scrolling to work:)))? |
| 12:45.17 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak I don't know, visual |
| 12:45.18 | dpkg | jejejeje I don't know, visual jaja |
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| 12:46.18 | visual | peterS, yeeelp? you here:P? |
| 12:47.13 | sdogi | visual: scroll? |
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| 12:47.17 | sdogi | wait a sec |
| 12:47.37 | sdogi | the input section in xorg.conf |
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| 12:47.41 | sdogi | or if you have xfree |
| 12:47.48 | visual | sdogi, nu asi selles et ma ei see scrollida keskmise nupuga ja clikida kah mitte |
| 12:47.52 | visual | sdogi, ihave xfree |
| 12:47.59 | sdogi | you know where it is? under the /etc/X11/XF86Config |
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| 12:48.04 | jayDEEEEEzntz | helllllllllllllllp! |
| 12:48.07 | sdogi | if you have xfree |
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| 12:48.21 | sdogi | so, you find out the mouse inputdevice section |
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| 12:48.30 | ricky_clarkson | You don't want no xorg baby, if you have xfree, oh ho ho. |
| 12:48.32 | sdogi | and add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" theer |
| 12:48.37 | sdogi | st there |
| 12:48.46 | absence | $LD_LIBRARY_PATH seems to be ignored for other users than root. how can i change this? |
| 12:48.52 | drac | visual: or you can just, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:48.53 | jayDEEEEEzntz | can anyone help me with a debian install? |
| 12:48.57 | jm_ | absence: no it's not |
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| 12:49.27 | absence | jm_, well, if i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH as root, ldd finds the required libs, but not if i do it as someone else |
| 12:49.36 | Xor3x | help !!! I can't get access to my "mysql-server" whatever I do I get access denied or local host is not allowed to connect to server |
| 12:49.58 | BadMan | ouch sarge 2.6 kernel install hasnt been pretty... |
| 12:50.47 | BadMan | it hung after conmfiguring base system no responses in any ttys... |
| 12:50.48 | tuxyRochefort | hi. How to print with cups a pdf file ? |
| 12:50.56 | jayDEEEEEzntz | can anyone help me out? im having a pcmcia problem with debian |
| 12:51.07 | jayDEEEEEzntz | and im soooo close |
| 12:51.12 | simonrvn | jayDEEEEEzntz: just ask |
| 12:51.19 | jayDEEEEEzntz | simonrvn, ok |
| 12:51.26 | BadMan | why is appletalk a default protocol for debian network setup... |
| 12:51.34 | simonrvn | that doesn't mean me, that means the channel |
| 12:51.36 | drac | absence: Add the directory to your /etc/ld.so.conf and run 'ldconfig' |
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| 12:51.41 | jayDEEEEEzntz | ok |
| 12:51.49 | simonrvn | BadMan: it isn't |
| 12:51.51 | absence | drac, i don't want it system wide |
| 12:51.57 | drac | oh ok, nvm then |
| 12:51.59 | jayDEEEEEzntz | ive been trying to get a distro on an old thinkpad for like a year |
| 12:52.03 | jayDEEEEEzntz | no cd rom |
| 12:52.05 | jayDEEEEEzntz | no usb |
| 12:52.09 | jayDEEEEEzntz | just a floppy |
| 12:52.10 | absence | drac, that's why i'm using environment variables in the first place :) |
| 12:52.17 | jayDEEEEEzntz | and a 16 bit pc slot |
| 12:52.33 | jayDEEEEEzntz | so its booted from the floppy now |
| 12:52.36 | BadMan | doesnt look like my auto-detect selections did a very good job... |
| 12:52.42 | jayDEEEEEzntz | and pcmcia is detected |
| 12:52.57 | jayDEEEEEzntz | now i just need the driver for the specific card im using |
| 12:52.58 | absence | jm_, any idea what might cause this? |
| 12:53.17 | jayDEEEEEzntz | which i just looked up in pcmcia_cs |
| 12:53.20 | BadMan | seems sshd is not configured by default either |
| 12:53.20 | jayDEEEEEzntz | so its there |
| 12:53.30 | simonrvn | a new moon, with the sun in belly button |
| 12:54.22 | jayDEEEEEzntz | can anyone tell me how to utilize the pcmcia_cs thing? |
| 12:54.24 | jm_ | absence: it does that? it works fine for me |
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| 12:55.30 | jayDEEEEEzntz | anyone... |
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| 12:56.04 | jm_ | alakdan: ldd is a shell script btw |
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| 12:56.57 | ricky_clarkson | jayDEEEEEzntz: debian-boot@lists.debian.org, or debian-user@lists.debian.org possibly. |
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| 12:57.24 | Dr_Blackross | hey... |
| 12:57.33 | Dr_Blackross | got a question |
| 12:57.38 | jayDEEEEEzntz | ricky_clarkson, is there anyway to just throw it on a disk and incorporate it into the install process? |
| 12:57.54 | ricky_clarkson | jayDEEEEEzntz: I don't know. I was referring you to people who might. |
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| 12:58.40 | BadMan | after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 can i just switch back to tty 7 and do ctrl alt bkspace to force a xserver restart? |
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| 12:59.02 | Dr_Blackross | YEA! that's what i wanted to know |
| 12:59.05 | Dr_Blackross | lol |
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| 12:59.19 | visual_ | ok dudes, how i can change resolution & refresh rate on xfce? |
| 12:59.42 | visual_ | or what was the command line to conf. it on xfree? |
| 12:59.56 | drac | visual_: XFCE Menu -> Settings -> Display Settings :) |
| 13:00.01 | visual_ | k |
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| 13:00.10 | Dr_Blackross | oh yeah |
| 13:00.13 | raghu | !woody->debian |
| 13:00.23 | raghu | !woody->sarge |
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| 13:00.56 | directhex | drac, only on 4.2 iirc |
| 13:01.11 | directhex | duh, no xfce menu on 4.0 -_- |
| 13:01.12 | visual_ | drac no display settings found |
| 13:01.20 | visual_ | what was the command line to do it in xfree? |
| 13:01.28 | jayDEEEEEzntz | anyone know anything about pcmcia_cs ? |
| 13:01.40 | stew | visual_: xrandr , or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:02.10 | Dr_Blackross | anyone know which cd's i would need for a simple knoppix type install of a true debian system... with gnome and/or kde and how much space it would be? (had the kids setup on knoppix HD install and well i've blown away the knoppix using apt-get and was thinking of either going slack or debian... but i like the apt-get feature.) |
| 13:02.15 | visual_ | ty |
| 13:02.32 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 13:02.33 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 13:02.39 | stew | !d-i Dr_Blackross |
| 13:02.40 | dpkg | Dr_Blackross, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:03.02 | Dr_Blackross | well i am running the mini-iso of the net installer in vmware |
| 13:03.09 | Dr_Blackross | and have yet to get X up and running |
| 13:03.09 | raghu | !sarge |
| 13:03.09 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 13:03.57 | Dr_Blackross | and yes knoppix makes a good rescue cd... |
| 13:04.11 | directhex | Dr_Blackross, but yoiu're using debian 3.0 (woody), right? |
| 13:04.27 | Dr_Blackross | i have no idea whats downloading and compiling now in vmware |
| 13:04.30 | Dr_Blackross | lol |
| 13:04.44 | Dr_Blackross | debian base has like 8 cd's |
| 13:04.49 | directhex | that would be woody |
| 13:04.51 | Dr_Blackross | was like damn |
| 13:04.52 | directhex | stop what you're doing |
| 13:04.56 | directhex | red-x th vmware window |
| 13:05.03 | Dr_Blackross | (its virtual dont sweat it) |
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| 13:05.11 | directhex | it's also wasting your time |
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| 13:05.18 | Dr_Blackross | ok... |
| 13:05.18 | directhex | 1) you want sarge. |
| 13:05.24 | directhex | !d-i Dr_Blackross |
| 13:05.26 | dpkg | Dr_Blackross, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:05.36 | directhex | 2) sarge is 14 cds, better off with the 110mb net install cd, or cd1 |
| 13:05.37 | Dr_Blackross | ok how big is sarge....and how much space will it require |
| 13:05.52 | Dr_Blackross | ok so this wont fit on 4gb hd? |
| 13:05.55 | faber2 | if i want to browse through sources, what do i add to sources.list and what do i do then? |
| 13:05.57 | directhex | sure it will |
| 13:05.58 | Dr_Blackross | for kids |
| 13:06.04 | Dr_Blackross | lol |
| 13:06.09 | directhex | just don't install everything |
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| 13:06.11 | stew | Dr_Blackross: sarge needs ~450MB minimum and 10GB maximum |
| 13:06.15 | Dr_Blackross | k |
| 13:06.16 | directhex | just install what you want |
| 13:06.17 | infodroid | running sarge on 2.6.x kernels, i seem to have an empty /initrd folder- whats it used for and can i safely delete it? |
| 13:06.25 | directhex | stew, about 170mb after install |
| 13:06.52 | stew | directhex: thats woody, isn't it/ |
| 13:06.59 | directhex | faber2, as well as deb http://foo you want deb-src |
| 13:06.59 | Dr_Blackross | ok where do u get sarge? and does it have a net installer? |
| 13:06.59 | visual_ | hmm xfree setup tells i cant install 3 buttoned mouse:( |
| 13:07.10 | Dr_Blackross | (with a better installer) |
| 13:07.13 | directhex | faber2, then apt-get source foopackage to download & extract source for that package |
| 13:07.14 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 13:07.15 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:07.19 | directhex | !d-i Dr_Aevil |
| 13:07.21 | dpkg | Dr_Aevil, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:07.22 | directhex | and yes, it does |
| 13:07.29 | directhex | bah |
| 13:07.34 | directhex | !d-i Dr_Blackross |
| 13:07.35 | dpkg | Dr_Blackross, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:07.48 | absence | does anyone know what the reason might be when exporting LD_LIBRARY_PATH works as root, but has no effect as a regular user? |
| 13:07.48 | Dr_Blackross | btdt] |
| 13:08.10 | faber2 | directhex: thx, where do the sources tree go? |
| 13:08.31 | Dr_Blackross | i am looking at 3 bullet points on the debian installer page |
| 13:08.51 | directhex | faber2, ./$packagename |
| 13:08.51 | Dr_Blackross | and its missing 2 rounds of decent infp |
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| 13:08.51 | Dr_Blackross | info |
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| 13:09.08 | fourcheeze | does anyone happen to know what the upper limit on number of unix groups is? |
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| 13:09.13 | faber2 | directhex: ah, so i have to be careful where i execute apt-get source ? |
| 13:09.35 | Dr_Blackross | ok so sarge doesnt have a net installer and i do have to blow away 10 cdr's? |
| 13:09.40 | directhex | faber2, well, since you won't do it as root, does it matter? |
| 13:09.45 | directhex | Dr_Blackross, been smoking crack? |
| 13:09.48 | faber2 | direct: yes |
| 13:09.49 | Dr_Blackross | no |
| 13:09.59 | MobyTurbo | Dr_Blackross: if you go to the d-i page you'll see its a net installer. |
| 13:10.05 | fourcheeze | Dr_Blackross, I've installed sarge from net |
| 13:10.10 | faber2 | directhex: i am always root, i dont like users ;-) |
| 13:10.11 | directhex | Dr_Blackross, what does the first bullet point on that page say? |
| 13:10.22 | directhex | faber2, then you're mentally damaged. go away |
| 13:10.42 | Dr_Blackross | i dont see sarge on here http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 13:11.04 | infodroid | faber2: i will let the script kiddies know |
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| 13:11.07 | faber2 | directhex: just kidding,does apt-get source solve dependecies? |
| 13:11.08 | stew | !tell Dr_Blackross about d-i |
| 13:11.10 | MobyTurbo | Dr_Blackross: go to the sarge URL that's been posted to you 3 times so far. |
| 13:11.19 | MobyTurbo | make that 4 times |
| 13:11.22 | directhex | Dr_Blackross, ARE YOU FUCKING HANDICAPPED? I GAVE YOU THE RIGHT URL FOUR TIMES |
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| 13:11.41 | pngwn | heh |
| 13:12.00 | directhex | good riddance |
| 13:12.00 | treestone | faber2: No, apt-get source doesn't resolve dependencies. |
| 13:12.00 | pngwn | dumb doctor ;) |
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| 13:12.46 | infodroid | faber2: if you're building source also look at apt-build |
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| 13:12.54 | directhex | or apt-get build-dep |
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| 13:13.56 | faber2 | infodroid: i only need to browse through it |
| 13:14.04 | Plastic | I want to uninstall the package debconf-il8n, but aptitude and synaptic won't let me without also uninstalling all packages that depend on that. Someone here told me to use dpkg --reconfigure, but that's not a valid option. |
| 13:14.55 | treestone | Plastic: Possibly they meant dpkg-reconfigure, but I don't see how that could resolve dependency problems. |
| 13:15.09 | faber2 | well, now i do "apt-get source mplayer-nogui" and it tells me "E: Unable to find a source package for mplayer". what do i do? |
| 13:15.24 | treestone | !mplayer |
| 13:15.25 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or 'cerkinfo'' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 13:15.34 | Capkirk | ! dpkg lock |
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| 13:15.40 | stew | Plastic: why do you want to uninstall debconf? |
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| 13:15.48 | Plastic | is there a good way to uninstall just one package if I don't care what dependencies it breaks? I will install debconf-utils afterwards, which conflicts with debconf-il8n |
| 13:16.00 | Capkirk | hmm sending message to dpkg or apt dosnt return answer are the bots sick today :) |
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| 13:16.19 | stew | Plastic: apt-get install debconf-utils debconf-i18n- |
| 13:16.30 | Plastic | Capkirk: I just got an asnwer from the dpkg bot |
| 13:16.33 | stew | Plastic: that will install one remove the other |
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| 13:16.39 | infodroid | Plastic: also you can get dpkg to --force-things, look at man dpkg |
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| 13:16.46 | Capkirk | howto lock/unlock package with dpkg |
| 13:16.46 | Plastic | great, thanks |
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| 13:16.57 | kupojsin | exit |
| 13:16.59 | Capkirk | Plastic: hmm they dont answer my questions |
| 13:17.01 | sp | hi. i just installed Debian for the first time from a sarge netinstall image. |
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| 13:17.09 | Capkirk | sp: congratulations! |
| 13:17.23 | treestone | Capkirk: You could just install wajig and do 'wajig hold <package>; wajig unhold <package>' |
| 13:17.24 | sp | Capkirk hehe. thanks. How do i select which package sets are available? |
| 13:17.38 | sp | I am in CLI now and just installed BitchX to get here. |
| 13:17.42 | stew | sp: apt-setup |
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| 13:18.09 | wlazian | hi, i want to get my gprs pcmcia modem working. for that i need the serial_cs module. does anyboy know how to compile that modul for kernel 2.6.10? |
| 13:18.12 | sp | stew apt-setup? wont that only setup apt? |
| 13:18.30 | stew | sp: what do you mean by package sets then? |
| 13:18.30 | Capkirk | sp: dunno im using apt-get |
| 13:18.31 | directhex | wlazian, apt-get install module-assistant; m-a |
| 13:18.31 | sp | stew I have apt-get working. |
| 13:18.46 | Capkirk | treestone: ok thanks |
| 13:18.49 | stew | do you mean 'tasksel'? |
| 13:18.52 | sp | stew like i want to see gnome/kde/wmaker etc |
| 13:18.56 | faber2 | dpkg: are you an mplayer developer? |
| 13:18.59 | sp | stew what is tasksel? |
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| 13:19.18 | treestone | faber2: It's a bot. |
| 13:19.23 | stew | sp: a utility that will let you say, 'install stuff for a desktop system' |
| 13:19.30 | stew | sp: or /msg dpkg install kde |
| 13:19.36 | stew | apt: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 13:19.40 | sp | stew w00t. that's what i want :) let me check :)) |
| 13:19.42 | Al_Gore | hello |
| 13:20.31 | ricky_clarkson | faber2: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/quotes/dpkg.txt |
| 13:20.56 | faber2 | treestone: ah, smart one. i would love to talk to him ;-) |
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| 13:21.06 | treestone | dpkg: How are you? |
| 13:21.06 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, treestone |
| 13:21.19 | treestone | etc.. best done via /msg |
| 13:21.24 | spo0nman | ricky_clarkson: lol. |
| 13:21.34 | faber2 | treestone: he did not answer me, i am disappointed |
| 13:21.41 | faber2 | any mplayer developers here? |
| 13:21.52 | stew | !irritate faber2 |
| 13:21.52 | dpkg | faber2: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound !!!1 |
| 13:22.09 | Al_Gore | can you help me get Debian running |
| 13:22.15 | Al_Gore | I have an Apple IIGS with a 8Mhz 64C816 Processor, 2MB of ram, and a 1X CD Rom and a 80MB Hard Disk, but Debian won't install on it :( |
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| 13:22.43 | treestone | It won't install on my TI-30 either... |
| 13:22.44 | ricky_clarkson | Al_Gore: What happens when you try? |
| 13:22.51 | stew | Al_Gore: linux will not run on such a computer |
| 13:23.07 | Al_Gore | I thought Linux was portable? |
| 13:23.07 | sp | stew thanks. that's what i wanted. though it does'nt go down to the level of gnome/kde/etc. but that's sort of what i want. |
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| 13:23.29 | treestone | Al_Gore: It really needs a CPU with memory management. |
| 13:23.32 | ricky_clarkson | Al_Gore: Port[able] and port[ed] are different words. |
| 13:23.43 | stew | sp: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome ; or try using aptitude |
| 13:23.49 | takatumi | sp: apt-cache and apt-get is all you need, try aptitude as well. |
| 13:24.14 | stew | Al_Gore: and debian needs at least 14mb of ram |
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| 13:24.15 | sp | oops. too many commands. Is there a Debian newbie post-base install manual out there somewhere? |
| 13:24.24 | takatumi | !faq sp |
| 13:24.24 | dpkg | sp: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:24.26 | stew | sp: read the apt-howto |
| 13:24.28 | sp | i'm reasonably familiar with linux, not with debian. |
| 13:24.32 | Capkirk | treestone: there is no such command as unhold |
| 13:24.33 | sp | takatumi thanks. |
| 13:24.47 | sp | stew thanks too. |
| 13:24.56 | takatumi | sp: apt-get install debian-reference (much more detailed) |
| 13:25.04 | sp | uh huh |
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| 13:26.14 | treestone | Capkirk: Which command? |
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| 13:26.25 | treestone | Capkirk: 'wajig unhold |
| 13:26.31 | dravey_ | anyone know what package has started to ask if you want to disable bitmapped fonts? |
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| 13:26.46 | dravey_ | I said yes, and now my gdm is all trashed, and I can't log in. |
| 13:26.53 | dravey_ | would like to reconfigure :/ |
| 13:27.14 | treestone | Capkirk: (pressed enter too quickly): 'wajig unhold'. Install wajig first. NB: The unhold sub-command didn't exist in older versions, e.g. the one in woody. |
| 13:27.51 | sp | dravey_ err, you can login without your gdm. |
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| 13:28.04 | stew | Capkirk: echo "pkgname install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:28.13 | dravey_ | sp: sure, but gnome fucks up too. |
| 13:28.21 | sp | dravey_ :( |
| 13:28.24 | possie | when i'm doing a dd to a scsi disk , is it normal to see _a LOT_ of iowaits with mpstat ? when i dd i see something like 95% iowait |
| 13:28.24 | stew | dravey_: hit ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 13:28.45 | dravey_ | stew: I'm in the console right now.. |
| 13:28.49 | Capkirk | stew: yeah |
| 13:28.58 | treestone | Hm, dpkg looks slightly dead now, was about to point Capkirk to its info about 'hold'. No response.. |
| 13:28.58 | dravey_ | stew: I'd just like to have a working X11... |
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| 13:29.34 | stew | treestone: /msg dpkg hold works for me |
| 13:29.42 | stew | !drxx dravey_ |
| 13:29.43 | dpkg | dravey_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:29.50 | treestone | stew: Just temporarily unavailable I guess. |
| 13:30.04 | stew | treestone: hasn't had her morining coffee yet, maybe |
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| 13:30.49 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:31.00 | Capkirk | stew: thanks |
| 13:31.07 | dhuv | i am trying to get standby working with my new 2.6.11.2 kernel and acpi |
| 13:31.26 | greycat | !+info kernel-image-2.6.11-2-386 sid |
| 13:31.28 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.6.11-2-386' does not exist. |
| 13:31.34 | greycat | your... *what* kernel? |
| 13:31.37 | dravey_ | stew: cheers, that's not the package that asked if I would like to disable non-scalable fonts tho. |
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| 13:31.52 | dhuv | i have installed klaptopdaemon and see the battery level |
| 13:31.54 | Sonique | i love windows! |
| 13:32.06 | Sonique | go bill gates |
| 13:32.08 | dravey_ | stew: I had a working setup for 2 years until the last apt-get upgrade :/ |
| 13:32.09 | treestone | i love walls! |
| 13:32.10 | greycat | Sonique: .... and bathtubs! bathtubs are teh b3st!! |
| 13:32.13 | ricky_clarkson | I love doors. There's one. Go through it. |
| 13:32.17 | stew | daxxar: dpkg-reconfigure defoma maybe? |
| 13:32.30 | daxxar | stew, thanks. (?) |
| 13:32.35 | dhuv | i have also configured klaptopdaemon to enable standby and suspend |
| 13:32.40 | dhuv | but i dont get an option for standby |
| 13:32.46 | dhuv | should i just go with apm rather than acpi? |
| 13:32.49 | stew | daxxar: ooops |
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| 13:33.05 | dravey_ | stew: nah, and you mean defoma-reconfigure :) |
| 13:33.06 | stew | dravey_: dpkg-reconfigure defoma |
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| 13:33.13 | lestest | hi there ... what does allow-update { none; }; means in the dhcp.conf? |
| 13:33.23 | Merl15 | Sonique: too many people here your Windows-loving voice does not count, fortunately ;) |
| 13:33.24 | Merl15 | =P |
| 13:33.24 | lestest | sorry named |
| 13:34.10 | torbjorn | lestest: it's for slave servers |
| 13:34.23 | torbjorn | and zone-file transfers for them |
| 13:34.27 | torbjorn | uses tcp port 53 |
| 13:34.31 | greycat | or rather, for *not* having slave servers. |
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| 13:34.38 | torbjorn | indeed |
| 13:34.43 | Sonique | Yeah but the millions of Windows lovers answer the call of linux lovers |
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| 13:35.03 | lestest | torbjorn: thankz |
| 13:35.16 | treestone | !troll |
| 13:35.16 | dpkg | troll is, like, a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 13:35.27 | dravey_ | Sonique: I`ve met a lot of windows lusers, but not a lot of windows lovers... |
| 13:35.35 | torbjorn | emplyee of trolltech, eyh? |
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| 13:35.57 | dravey_ | torbjorn :p |
| 13:35.59 | greycat | torbjorn: some people just can't resist putting a meaningless comment in the factoids |
| 13:36.46 | Sonique | nah im not being a troll |
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| 13:36.48 | Pappa | glxinfo reports "server glx version string: 1.3" |
| 13:36.50 | Sonique | im just drunk |
| 13:37.05 | Pappa | isn't 2.0 released? and wasn't it released a loong time ago? |
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| 13:37.35 | dravey_ | torbjorn: skjer`a? |
| 13:37.46 | torbjorn | :) |
| 13:38.26 | directhex | Pappa, blame {ati,nvidia} for the delay |
| 13:39.01 | Merl15 | heh Sonique is the only one in a channel with 840+ people who dares to say "I love Windows" =P |
| 13:39.17 | pack | has anyone tried out FreeNX? |
| 13:39.25 | Sonique | alcohol is a great thing |
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| 13:39.45 | greycat | Merl15: or the only one who loves windows. |
| 13:39.48 | Sonique | drunkness is courage |
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| 13:40.09 | Pappa | directhex: from what i remember, it ran fine on my arch linux box (the speeds were good, and here it's like 2-3 fps) |
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| 13:40.27 | mhale | hello all |
| 13:40.29 | Merl15 | greycat: thats prolly more like it ;) |
| 13:40.37 | Merl15 | hey greyhat: sarge or woody? |
| 13:40.59 | Merl15 | what are you running? |
| 13:41.05 | dravey_ | Sonique: or idiocy. |
| 13:41.23 | greycat | Merl15: yes. |
| 13:41.24 | wlazian | directhex : i tried to install the pcmcia module with the module-assistant but it returned with an error |
| 13:41.36 | stew | Sonique: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:41.39 | mhale | ive got a slight issue in debian testing, where a newly updated firefox (updated this morning) has a broken viewSource.xul. is there any workaround for this... ie. can i fix the xul by hand? |
| 13:42.16 | Merl15 | greyhat, whats knoppix based on? Debian obviously but Sarge Debian or..? |
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| 13:42.23 | Merl15 | and I fear Sonique's end is nearing on this channel =P |
| 13:42.37 | skywalker-rs | Hi, anyone install sarge on HP Proliant with Smart Array 641 ? |
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| 13:42.45 | greycat | Merl15: it does not matter what knoppix is "based on". It's off topic. |
| 13:42.55 | Sonique | *cries* |
| 13:43.19 | wlazian | the pcmcia card is recognized but there is no module 'serial_cs' which can be loaded. how can i compile this module for kernel 2.6.10? |
| 13:43.29 | skywalker-rs | the last sarge iso image contain ccis module ? |
| 13:43.31 | Merl15 | greyhat, yes sir i was just asking..i was just going to give my personal comments that woody debian can go to hell, sarge is the way to go ;) |
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| 13:44.07 | stew | Merl15: woody is still the only sane option for servers atm |
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| 13:44.20 | Merl15 | Sonique, cry after you get banned ;) |
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| 13:44.22 | skywalker-rs | anyone install sarge on HP Proliant with Smart Array 641 ? |
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| 13:45.06 | sp | ls -al |
| 13:45.11 | sp | oops. sorry. |
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| 13:46.20 | MobyTurbo | sp: Password: |
| 13:46.37 | sp | MobyTurbo wha? |
| 13:47.01 | Noid | would it be possible to make a digital camera with video recording capabilities work as a webcam? |
| 13:47.05 | MobyTurbo | sp: the joke works better when someone types "su" in here by mistake. ;-) |
| 13:47.08 | dbron | skywalker-rs: I have used some older Proliants with hardware raid. I had to use the dos based utility to get the raid going. |
| 13:47.26 | sp | MobyTurbo hehe. sorry. first few mins for me in command line. |
| 13:47.39 | sp | MobyTurbo cant figure out which terminal i'm in. |
| 13:47.53 | sp | restart time.. new kernel :D |
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| 13:48.50 | skywalker-rs | dbron: but where you get the boot floppyes with the modules ? |
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| 13:50.00 | dbron | skywalker-rs: it has been awhile, but there were some very specific (redhat based) howto's for proliants with hardware raid. |
| 13:50.08 | MrMeee | I loaded woody base, then ran upgrade distro, when i reboot, i only get LI on my screen |
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| 13:50.30 | greycat | !li |
| 13:50.30 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 13:50.33 | greycat | !faq MrMeee |
| 13:50.34 | dpkg | MrMeee: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:50.37 | skywalker-rs | dbron, and for debian? the sarge boot recognize the array ? |
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| 13:50.58 | dbron | skywalker-rs: these ran (and continue) to run woody |
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| 13:51.15 | dbron | skywalker-rs: I don't maintain those boxes anymore though |
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| 13:51.27 | skywalker-rs | dbron: :-( |
| 13:51.36 | MrMeee | ty |
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| 13:52.32 | treestone | Hm, dpkg won't talk to me, whatever I do. Strange.. |
| 13:52.36 | dbron | skywalker-rs: yes, the arrays worked fine though, the howto's were what I needed. The modules iirc were in the standard dist. |
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| 13:54.06 | dbron | the array wasn't recognized until I set it up in the dos env. Also, there was a boot flag for lilo that was needed |
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| 13:58.41 | pa | excuse me, it is possible to set USB in dma mode under linux 2.6? |
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| 13:59.51 | TNKS | Has anybody here ever set up XFree86 with a mouse that uses the "evdev" protocol? |
| 14:00.43 | TNKS | I don't know much about evdev, but I noticed that it's a kernel module, and I think it might allow me to get some plugNplay out of my mouse. |
| 14:00.59 | TNKS | But I'm getting some errors from XFree86. |
| 14:01.18 | TNKS | "(EE) USB Mouse: cannot register with evdev brain" |
| 14:01.33 | jm_ | TNKS: why do you have to use evdev? |
| 14:01.59 | TNKS | jm_, I'm not sure I _have_ to, but I think it might be an option that suits my configuration. |
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| 14:03.00 | veleno | i have to send the STOP signal to the jvm process running inside eclipse: "kill -s STOP" but how can i obtain jvm pid ? |
| 14:03.02 | jm_ | TNKS: why do you think so? |
| 14:03.03 | TNKS | I use a hack on my laptop that converts /dev/input/mouse1 to a pipe that enables scrolling for my touchpoint, so that means I can't use /dev/input/mice, because that has the old signal. |
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| 14:04.11 | visual | hehee |
| 14:04.13 | greycat | !two mice |
| 14:04.13 | dpkg | You have a laptop with a touchpad (PS/2) and an external USB mouse, and you want X to use either one, but despite the promises, it Just Doesn't Work? Make the PS/2 mouse the primary device, and add a new InputDevice section for the USB device with Option "SendCoreEvents" instead of Option "CorePointer". Be sure to use both input devices down in the ServerLayout section. modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 14:04.14 | visual | biiig problem |
| 14:04.22 | visual | im using debian sarge, running xfree86, and xfce 4 |
| 14:04.27 | js_ | is there a way to find the default MANPATH man uses? the env variable isn't set, but i need to include a path in there, and since i don't know the original path all i get is the manual pages in the extra path i specify |
| 14:04.32 | visual | i cant get my soundcard to work |
| 14:04.41 | visual | what i gotta do to listen sound again:P? |
| 14:04.53 | caphuso | js_: /etc/manpath.config |
| 14:04.54 | TNKS | So I'm stuck in this position where I can't use my USB mouse with /dev/input/mice, but if I specify another device (like mouse2) I need to make sure the USB mouse is plugged in when I start up X, which isn't always the case for me. |
| 14:05.06 | sdogi | visual: what sound card do you have |
| 14:05.11 | js_ | caphuso: ah, thanks |
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| 14:05.46 | sdogi | visual: just cd /usr/lib/modules/2.x.x/kernel/drivers/net |
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| 14:05.49 | sdogi | visual: just cd /usr/lib/modules/2.x.x/kernel/drivers/sound |
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| 14:06.11 | sdogi | visual: one of those modules there has to be your soundcard |
| 14:06.43 | sdogi | visual: you could load them all and then read from /proc dir what made your hardware work in example |
| 14:06.49 | sdogi | visual: but i bet there are much better ways |
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| 14:08.35 | TNKS | So can anybody here tell me a little more about this evdev protocol? |
| 14:09.03 | TNKS | I understand it may involve patches/recompilation. |
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| 14:09.23 | ricky_clarkson | !evdev |
| 14:09.27 | ricky_clarkson | Nein. |
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| 14:10.28 | f0ssi | hi folks. i have a little question. i forgot the command for adding sources to apt-get |
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| 14:10.54 | greycat | f0ssi: man sources.list |
| 14:11.01 | greycat | f0ssi: for that matter, man apt-get |
| 14:11.30 | ricky_clarkson | apt-setup |
| 14:11.37 | f0ssi | ah thats what i wanted |
| 14:11.40 | f0ssi | thats ricky :) |
| 14:11.46 | f0ssi | + it |
| 14:11.51 | ricky_clarkson | No, I'm ricky. |
| 14:11.55 | ricky_clarkson | That's apt-setup. |
| 14:11.58 | asg | I'm ricky and so is my wife |
| 14:12.01 | j^ | does anyone know why libvorbis is still 1.0.1 with 1.1 out for months now? |
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| 14:12.05 | greycat | Manual page sources.list(5) -> SEE ALSO apt-cache(8) apt.conf(5) |
| 14:12.06 | greycat | Bah. |
| 14:12.08 | ricky_clarkson | bash: ricky: command not found |
| 14:12.14 | PerfDave | j^: Check the BTS and QA pages. |
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| 14:12.41 | greycat | Manual page apt-get(8) -> SEE ALSO apt-cache(8), apt-cdrom(8), dpkg(8), dselect(8), sources.list(5), apt.conf(5), apt-config(8), The APT User's guide in /usr/share/doc/apt/, apt_preferences(5), the APT Howto. |
| 14:12.44 | f0ssi | i'm lookin for a "complete" source .. not a source where programs are just in database |
| 14:12.45 | f0ssi | ^^ |
| 14:12.49 | j^ | PerfDave BTS 168 days old <- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273567 |
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| 14:12.59 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.11 | visual | sdogi, cant figure it out |
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| 14:13.32 | greycat | someone ought to file a bug report asking that apt-setup(8) be added to apt-get(8) |
| 14:13.35 | visual | anyone help me? i wanna find out how to install my sound card |
| 14:13.41 | sdogi | visual: look into your box and find out what chip does your soundcard have |
| 14:13.48 | sdogi | visual: then modprobe it |
| 14:13.57 | j^ | PerfDave and ccheney@debian.org does not reply to mail for weeks too |
| 14:13.59 | greycat | and sources.list(5) and apt-get(8) need to be added to apt-setup(8). It doesn't even HAVE a "SEE ALSO" section. |
| 14:14.01 | f0ssi | Package glibc has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 14:14.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: And someone... is you. ;) |
| 14:14.05 | asg | visual: /msg dpkg audio (for instructions) |
| 14:14.06 | f0ssi | thats what i mean :/ |
| 14:14.14 | visual | using C-Media SB16 |
| 14:14.20 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: BTDT. |
| 14:14.26 | ricky_clarkson | GTT? |
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| 14:14.28 | PerfDave | j^: Well, if the maintainer isn't active, that might be why.... |
| 14:14.34 | greycat | f0ssi: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 14:14.52 | ricky_clarkson | I want a T-shirt saying "SECURETTY". |
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| 14:15.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: create your own at cafepress |
| 14:15.14 | ricky_clarkson | What's cafepress? |
| 14:15.14 | f0ssi | ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:15.19 | f0ssi | .. |
| 14:15.23 | f0ssi | i need at least 2.3 |
| 14:15.26 | asg | ricky_clarkson: online store where you create and sell t-shirts, mugs, etc. |
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| 14:15.29 | greycat | f0ssi: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 14:15.30 | visual | hmm modconf dont work for me |
| 14:15.32 | visual | whats up |
| 14:15.36 | ricky_clarkson | asg: How much (typically)? |
| 14:15.49 | f0ssi | i have to update to sarge ? |
| 14:15.50 | f0ssi | oO |
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| 14:15.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: $10 (you get a cut if anyone buys one though) |
| 14:16.08 | ricky_clarkson | Nos muchos dólares. |
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| 14:16.12 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you just upload a picture and they print on demand when someone buys something. |
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| 14:16.22 | stew | f0ssi: did you already add some sarge sources or something? |
| 14:16.27 | j^ | PerfDave and how long could such a situation last? |
| 14:16.51 | PerfDave | j^: Until somebody does somethign about it? |
| 14:16.54 | greycat | stew: unlikely. |
| 14:17.00 | f0ssi | no stew i dont thinks so |
| 14:17.00 | greycat | that's a pure woody libc6 |
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| 14:17.47 | stew | duh |
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| 14:18.05 | Delicates | what would make my box flood with ARP requests? |
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| 14:18.56 | torbjorn | sucpiciously high interest in your neighbouring computers |
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| 14:19.06 | j^ | PerfDave and what can i do about it, as someone not involved enough with debian to do an NMU? |
| 14:19.19 | SkippedySkop | hmm how do i do a clean full removal of a package installed? |
| 14:19.24 | stew | j^: i think greycat has newer packages for vorbis |
| 14:19.25 | greycat | SkippedySkop: dpkg --purge |
| 14:19.28 | greycat | !vorbis 1.1 |
| 14:19.28 | dpkg | greycat got tired of waiting for bug #273567 to be fixed, so he packaged libvorbis 1.1.0 himself. It's at http://wooledge.org/~greg/vorbis/ for the brave souls of #debian. |
| 14:19.39 | PerfDave | j^: You can follow the procedure for dealing with an inactive maintainer. |
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| 14:20.07 | j^ | PerfDave could you provide a link to that? |
| 14:20.40 | PerfDave | j^: It's in the developer documentation |
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| 14:21.49 | j^ | graycat are your packages the same as ingo's? http://people.debian.org/~ingo/vorbis/ |
| 14:22.07 | xk | !dauthor ingo |
| 14:22.12 | dpkg | Debian Author Search of 'ingo' (2): Ingo Saitz ;; Agustin Martin Domingo. |
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| 14:23.56 | Fab_ | hi |
| 14:23.58 | greycat | well, clearly Ingo's are not the same as mine, because the .diff.gz is different. Looks like he used a different automake. |
| 14:24.07 | greycat | or different autoconf |
| 14:24.17 | greycat | -install-data-am: install-includeHEADERS |
| 14:24.17 | greycat | +install-data-am: install-pkgincludeHEADERS |
| 14:24.27 | greycat | lots of stuff like that, not very critical |
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| 14:25.38 | Fab_ | what can I do, when Linux doesn't boot? |
| 14:25.48 | xk | boot from cdrom |
| 14:25.50 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: Use a boot disk. |
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| 14:26.01 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: Go for a drink. |
| 14:26.20 | Fab_ | but when I put in the netinst cdrom, the setup starts |
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| 14:26.27 | greycat | Fab_: alt-f2 |
| 14:26.51 | Fab_ | greycat: what does alt-F2 do? |
| 14:27.31 | ricky_clarkson | Switches to another tty. |
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| 14:27.47 | greycat | you've been using linux *how* long? and you don't know about the virtual console? |
| 14:28.10 | Fab_ | emm, 1 Week? :P |
| 14:28.18 | Fab_ | how should I |
| 14:28.24 | greycat | so, how did you manage to break linux to the point of not-booting, in merely one week? |
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| 14:28.40 | Fab_ | I already started with the Manual |
| 14:28.48 | Fab_ | there's a long way to go ^^ |
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| 14:29.40 | Fab_ | greycat: I played with the environement-config, because something with the locales isn't alright |
| 14:30.16 | simonrvn | so you played without knowing anything about it. real bright. |
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| 14:30.54 | Fab_ | not anything, I followed the instructions of a Forumpost |
| 14:31.19 | simonrvn | step 1) build "knowledgebase" step 2) play. not the other way around |
| 14:31.32 | xk | simonrvn: well, that's the best way to learn ;) |
| 14:31.46 | Fab_ | xk: perhaps ^^ |
| 14:31.49 | simonrvn | you need the basics first. |
| 14:32.28 | Fab_ | simon: now, just one Question, how can I boot now, I've got a netinst cd? |
| 14:32.53 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: But the CD in the drive, turn the machine on. |
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| 14:33.24 | Fab_ | rickey_clackson: but then the Setup start, that not what I want, |
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| 14:34.02 | xk | hrm... do you get the option to press enter on boot? |
| 14:34.06 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: If you press Alt-F2 after booting from the CD but before you start answering questions about installation, you will see another console that you can use, as far as I know. |
| 14:34.37 | Fab_ | rickey: thank you :) |
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| 14:34.49 | Fab_ | xk: Yes, there is writte: "boot:" |
| 14:34.50 | greycat | boy, he's a bright one. |
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| 14:35.26 | Fab_ | greycat: you are always so ironic? |
| 14:35.43 | greycat | almost always |
| 14:35.44 | bob2 | that was sarcasm |
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| 14:35.49 | dbron | Fab_: that would be "sarcastic" and yes |
| 14:36.08 | xk | greycat: lol |
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| 14:36.40 | xk | if you borked it, you may aswell as reinstall it. |
| 14:36.44 | xk | it will be easier for you, and for us. |
| 14:36.51 | xk | and learn not to bork it again |
| 14:36.53 | nagual | especially for them. |
| 14:37.13 | gothtec | Gah! I am using ntp-server to keep the time on my box and it simply doesn't do it's job! The clocks drift appart. I have a really simple ntp.conf that includes a "server my.time.server.here" and two lines that say where the driftfile and logfiles should be. Nothing else. |
| 14:37.26 | gothtec | ntptime keeps saying everything is (OK) |
| 14:37.44 | dbron | gothtec: have you tried ntpdate? |
| 14:37.55 | Fab_ | I though the Linuxcommunity is quiet friendly |
| 14:37.56 | dbron | gothtec: I have had better luck with that |
| 14:38.10 | xk | Fab_: that all depends on the user. |
| 14:38.11 | Fab_ | but this doesn't seem to be like this |
| 14:38.19 | xk | Fab_: if you don't know what you are doing... what do you expect? |
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| 14:38.22 | shakparl | gothtec: if you don't have a lot of servers, crontab an ntpdate is probably easier |
| 14:38.31 | nagual | rdate! |
| 14:38.35 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: This is the Debian community. We are friendly. I answered your question the best that I could. What's your complaint? |
| 14:38.48 | PerfDave | ntpdate will correct serious time discrepancies, ntpd will more accurately correct small discrepancies. |
| 14:38.49 | LoRez | gothtec: ntpq <enter> peers <enter> any starred? |
| 14:38.51 | xk | ricky_clarkson: wants to be spoonfed, windows styles. |
| 14:38.54 | dbron | Fab_: there is a low tolerance for whining here |
| 14:38.55 | Fab_ | rickey: it's not about you |
| 14:39.14 | Fab_ | it's just about a few people here |
| 14:39.14 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: If you are accusing the Linux community, or the Debian community, then it's about all of us. |
| 14:39.17 | greycat | !breastfeed Fab_ |
| 14:39.23 | ricky_clarkson | Fab_: If it's about a few people, don't call the rest of us. |
| 14:39.25 | shakparl | hah |
| 14:39.26 | xk | haha |
| 14:39.28 | gothtec | shakparl: it's easier, yes, but I want all the boxes to keep the exact same time. I therefore have one box that syncs with the outside with ntpdate, and the others are supposed to get their time from that one with ntp-server |
| 14:39.29 | Capkirk | greycat: ;-) |
| 14:39.41 | Fab_ | cya guys |
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| 14:40.16 | ricky_clarkson | Is you a Debianist? |
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| 14:40.26 | gothtec | LoRez: ti211310a080-72 .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00 |
| 14:40.49 | gothtec | LoRez: the address at the beginning there looks like the machine I'm trying to sync with |
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| 14:41.00 | visual | heelp? |
| 14:41.04 | LoRez | gothtec: does it have a * at the beginning? |
| 14:41.14 | LoRez | if not, it's not synced |
| 14:41.15 | gothtec | LoRez: no. that's the entire line right there |
| 14:41.17 | visual | used "lsmod" to check if my sound module is there, its there but... |
| 14:41.21 | ricky_clarkson | visual: whaat's thee maatteer? |
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| 14:41.38 | visual | it says 3232 size, used by:0, not tainted (unused) |
| 14:41.42 | xpato | how can i check if a disk have failures? |
| 14:41.50 | visual | but when i run xmms it says my sound doesnt excist! |
| 14:41.54 | greycat | xpato: dmesg, apt-cache search smart |
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| 14:41.56 | ricky_clarkson | xpato: smart-tools iirc |
| 14:41.58 | visual | im going nuts i have tried tons of of things already |
| 14:41.58 | greycat | visual: /msg dpkg sound |
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| 14:42.10 | xk | xpato: install smart-tools, run smartctl. |
| 14:42.20 | simonrvn | amazing what a little ip route 203.177.176.8/32 null0 can do |
| 14:42.26 | visual | i got no command like "mobconf" |
| 14:42.31 | visual | "modconf" even |
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| 14:42.48 | jarmo | hi, any suggestions which are accounts when I install cups.. they aren't my own ones, and neither root one's.. |
| 14:42.48 | xk | do you have /usr/sbin in your path? |
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| 14:43.02 | simonrvn | (yes, that's a real IP. spammer's) |
| 14:43.05 | greycat | is he even root? |
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| 14:43.24 | brain_v | hi anyone familiar with regular expression? |
| 14:43.31 | greycat | who wants to bet he's going to logout, then login as root? |
| 14:43.33 | simonrvn | man 7 regex |
| 14:43.41 | jarmo | me? |
| 14:43.50 | simonrvn | greycat: i won't since i think s/he will to |
| 14:43.55 | simonrvn | too* |
| 14:44.16 | jarmo | was it for me or..? |
| 14:44.47 | simonrvn | jarmo: take a look at it, what do you think? |
| 14:44.48 | brain_v | just a quick question, actually i've been reading manual about regex, is there a possible doing checking a range like this 1000-2000 |
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| 14:44.58 | jarmo | well haven' |
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| 14:45.08 | jarmo | t done that like that.. |
| 14:45.18 | jarmo | so that about your wisedom |
| 14:45.20 | simonrvn | jarmo: no, it wasn't meant for you. |
| 14:45.43 | brain_v | simonrvn, can u help me with regex? |
| 14:45.48 | caphuso | brain_v: [12][0-9][0-9][0-9] |
| 14:46.16 | jarmo | well any1 has ideas? |
| 14:46.26 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 three-legged goats. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:46.27 | pif | brain_v: (1\d{3}|2000) |
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| 14:46.51 | simonrvn | you'll need more than a few minutes with those goats... |
| 14:46.54 | xogon | anyone know if someone else is mirroring debian.linux-systeme.com xorg stuff? |
| 14:47.06 | jarmo | well my opinion is that you should help if you know and stop that idiotism |
| 14:47.23 | gothtec | How can I make ntpd forget everything it has calibrated and start synchronization all over again? |
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| 14:47.38 | simonrvn | you have every right to your opinion, and i have every right to ignore you |
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| 14:47.51 | asg | jarmo: go start #debian-newbies |
| 14:47.54 | jarmo | so why are you anyway here? |
| 14:48.03 | jarmo | just why can't you help |
| 14:48.08 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-friendly was started some time ago but it wasn't popular. |
| 14:48.09 | jarmo | wtf is your problems anyway? |
| 14:48.17 | visual | damned |
| 14:48.17 | ricky_clarkson | jarmo: What is your Debian question? |
| 14:48.19 | greycat | there's still ##debian |
| 14:48.20 | visual | it dont work |
| 14:48.37 | visual | how to make my linux autodetect my driver and autoinstall the one whats needed? |
| 14:48.37 | ricky_clarkson | How to quit IRC, obviously. |
| 14:48.46 | ricky_clarkson | visual: What kind of driver? |
| 14:48.47 | greycat | visual: install sarge. pray. |
| 14:49.08 | visual | ricky_clarkson, AC97, SB16 |
| 14:49.12 | greycat | if you mean 3d accelerated non-free video driver for X, then it's harder, obviously. |
| 14:49.17 | visual | greycat, i installed sarge |
| 14:49.30 | visual | greycat, but but, i rewrote sound driver with OSS wich didnt work |
| 14:49.38 | ricky_clarkson | What the hell is AC97 or SB16 (soundblaster)? |
| 14:49.39 | visual | greycat, now my OSS dont work and sound driver gone too |
| 14:49.54 | visual | ricky_clarkson, AC97 is one of the most common sound drivers, and yes its SB16 subcat. |
| 14:49.54 | greycat | you REWROTE a sound driver?? |
| 14:49.59 | greycat | and you're asking US for help? |
| 14:50.05 | visual | greycat, lol |
| 14:50.06 | ricky_clarkson | visual: What makes you think the sound doesn't work? |
| 14:50.15 | visual | ricky_clarkson, xmms tells me it dont |
| 14:50.19 | greycat | visual: /msg dpkg sound |
| 14:50.23 | visual | ricky_clarkson, i checked output device but nada.. |
| 14:50.26 | ricky_clarkson | visual: Try cat /dev/urandom |
| 14:50.28 | visual | greycat, it dont help me i tried |
| 14:50.30 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 14:50.31 | greycat | visual: PAY FUCKING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE PART WHERE YOU ADJUST YOUR PRIVILEGES. |
| 14:50.34 | ricky_clarkson | visual: Try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio |
| 14:50.41 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /dev/dsp |
| 14:50.45 | ricky_clarkson | visual: Try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 14:50.49 | brain_v | pif and caphuso, thanks for the tips... can i just simply use like this? $ grep '[1000-2000]' < numrange |
| 14:50.57 | greycat | brain_v: no. |
| 14:51.07 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get install new-info > ricky_clarkson's head |
| 14:51.13 | brain_v | greycat, y? |
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| 14:51.22 | greycat | [1000-2000] is a single-character regex/glob that matches 0, 1, or 2. |
| 14:51.23 | caphuso | brain_v: no |
| 14:51.24 | ricky_clarkson | brain_v: y as in Spanish for "and"? |
| 14:51.36 | brain_v | why i mean |
| 14:51.38 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 14:51.44 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: y as in "i m a mroon" |
| 14:51.48 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 14:51.50 | visual | ricky_clarkson, dev/asp one just gives me everlasting delay? |
| 14:51.54 | brain_v | sorry for that guys |
| 14:52.01 | greycat | visual: turn the volume up with aumix |
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| 14:52.05 | ricky_clarkson | visual: aumix |
| 14:52.16 | visual | no such command? |
| 14:52.16 | ricky_clarkson | visual: unmute your audio. |
| 14:52.17 | aidehua | I forgot to switch on my jukebox before leaving the house this morning. I would like a suggestion for a radio station to listen to with ogg123. |
| 14:52.19 | ricky_clarkson | visual: install it |
| 14:52.26 | greycat | !installit |
| 14:52.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 14:52.28 | ricky_clarkson | !no such command |
| 14:52.37 | greycat | he meant command not found |
| 14:52.42 | ricky_clarkson | !command not found |
| 14:52.42 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 14:52.43 | greycat | fucking morons can't even quote errors properly |
| 14:53.03 | aidehua | dpkg: "Running the command as root"!? Are you nuts? |
| 14:53.04 | dpkg | okay, aidehua |
| 14:53.08 | visual | greycat, yawn yawn, pussylicker its my frist linux ever? |
| 14:53.22 | greycat | oh, he's jealous too. |
| 14:53.27 | simonrvn | pussylicker is an insult? |
| 14:53.32 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Not to a cat. |
| 14:53.33 | greycat | and 14. |
| 14:53.36 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: heh |
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| 14:53.49 | brain_v | i have a bunch of range number that has a format like this [1000-2000], i just want to identify if the inputed number is in the range. |
| 14:53.50 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: hehe. or a human |
| 14:54.05 | greycat | brain_v: #bash may be more helpful at this point |
| 14:54.10 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I would guess it could be construed as an insult in an old folks' home. |
| 14:54.25 | jelly | brain_v: in shell? man test |
| 14:54.25 | visual | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 14:54.25 | greycat | simonrvn: at least a hetero man or homo woman |
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| 14:54.27 | visual | ? |
| 14:54.29 | brain_v | greycat, thats great, but irc is really my last resort |
| 14:54.32 | simonrvn | or a 14 year old |
| 14:54.34 | aidehua | I lik cats. |
| 14:54.37 | aidehua | *like |
| 14:54.39 | simonrvn | greycat: yup |
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| 14:54.45 | ricky_clarkson | "Pussy licker? I can't even lick my lips without knocking my teesh out." |
| 14:54.51 | roods | is there anyway to remove a newline from an echo? |
| 14:54.52 | greycat | visual: are you SURE you added yourself to the audio group and re-logged-in? |
| 14:54.58 | greycat | roods: echo -n |
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| 14:55.04 | visual | yes im so goddamn positive -_- |
| 14:55.10 | greycat | visual: /usr/bin/id |
| 14:55.11 | ricky_clarkson | roods: man echo says how. |
| 14:55.13 | roods | greycat, you rock, thank you |
| 14:55.33 | simonrvn | blaaah |
| 14:55.42 | brain_v | jelly, the bunch of range i'm refering is 2000 lines compose of format [1000-2000] [7000-9000] |
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| 14:56.07 | BleSS | somebody knows some channel about dbus/hal? |
| 14:56.08 | visual | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),29(audio) |
| 14:56.09 | greycat | brain_v: this is a non-trivial programming exercise. |
| 14:56.13 | visual | greycat, what i do with it ! |
| 14:56.16 | greycat | he logged in as root. how clever. |
| 14:56.26 | roods | greycat, can you do the same with grep? |
| 14:56.31 | greycat | 09:43 greycat> who wants to bet he's going to logout, then login as root? |
| 14:56.31 | jelly | greycat: schoolwork? |
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| 14:56.49 | visual | greycat, ? |
| 14:56.54 | brain_v | greycat, thanks for the attention really appreciate it. |
| 14:57.01 | simonrvn | i thought it was still sunday |
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| 14:57.12 | greycat | visual: never login as root. login as yourself. then open up a window and type "su" to become root IN THAT WINDOW only. |
| 14:57.31 | visual | greycat, have mercy? not my fault im running linux for the first day! |
| 14:57.33 | FieldySnuts | haha. you are expecting the skill called common sense. come off it, man! |
| 14:57.35 | visual | im an idiot! |
| 14:57.37 | greycat | adding root to the audio group serves no useful purpose |
| 14:57.44 | jelly | brain_v: what language are you using to parse that stuff? If it has <= >= operators, use them. |
| 14:57.46 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: hehe |
| 14:57.52 | visual | BRB!!!! |
| 14:57.54 | poncha|work | question... when i use ssh.. one of my desktop machines has tab-completion for hostnames i've connected before, the other does not (both are sid, on both i use bash as shell).. i've no idea what i made for the first one to do that.. where do i need to look ? |
| 14:58.08 | caphuso | poncha|work: . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 14:58.18 | poncha|work | caphuso, thanks |
| 14:58.18 | Mr_You | poncha: its doing history completion I bet. |
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| 14:58.53 | poncha|work | Mr_You, i thought it completes hosts from ~/.ssh/known_hosts .. |
| 14:59.00 | brain_v | jelly, just a shell, i have a first solution is to extract the range and then make a diff to identify if the inputed number is in the range, but i think the RegEx really fits it. almost 5hours now still extracting the number range |
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| 14:59.18 | jelly | brain_v: give an example line. |
| 14:59.26 | caphuso | poncha|work: it does |
| 14:59.39 | Mr_You | poncha: wow thats surprising. |
| 14:59.53 | caphuso | no, it's old stuff |
| 15:00.04 | brain_v | ok... [10000-20000] , the inputed number for example is 10001 something like that |
| 15:00.07 | Mr_You | I've never come across it. |
| 15:00.31 | greycat | brain_v: you must parse out the two numbers 10000 and 20000 from the input, then compare 10001 against both of them. |
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| 15:02.38 | jjazz | Can I mount a laptop hard drive in a desktop PC? |
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| 15:03.03 | gothtec | jjazz: with the correct adapter |
| 15:03.08 | hedonick | jjazz: you need an adapter (if we're talking 2.5 ide here) |
| 15:03.20 | gothtec | jjazz: you need an adapter to connect it to a 3.5" ide cable |
| 15:03.25 | Mr_You | jjazz: mount via NFS ;-) |
| 15:03.35 | gothtec | jjazz: then you can use it like a normal drive |
| 15:03.48 | poncha|work | caphuso, ahh.. what i've found is that bash_completion is off by default :) (and it has known_hosts routine as supplied by debian) :) |
| 15:03.52 | jjazz | The laptop drive is in a windows PC. I need to make a copy of it onto the drive on my debian box. |
| 15:04.12 | Mr_You | what sucks? |
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| 15:04.13 | jjazz | And I have no such adaptor. |
| 15:04.14 | Mr_You | oops |
| 15:04.54 | Sharcho | Is there a Debian LiveCD that allows to apt-get software? |
| 15:04.59 | greycat | Sharcho: no. |
| 15:05.12 | greycat | what a horrendous waste that would be. |
| 15:05.13 | jjazz | Sharcho: Only if you install the live cd to hard disk |
| 15:05.17 | greycat | apt-getting every time you boot. |
| 15:05.54 | stew | Sharcho: there isn't a debian livecd at all |
| 15:06.02 | Sharcho | I meant Debian based. |
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| 15:06.24 | xophEr | Why doesnt the line 'xmod -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"' execute when I start X; it's in ~/.xsession and in /etc/X11/Xsession.options I have the line 'allow-user-xsession' ? |
| 15:06.53 | stew | Sharcho: some/(most?) livecds can be 'remastered' |
| 15:07.01 | greycat | xophEr: and how do you start X? |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | !wikifaq xophEr DotFiles |
| 15:07.06 | dpkg | xophEr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:07.45 | xophEr | ok, Ill check those out |
| 15:08.10 | Sharcho | greycat, assuming that 95% of the stuff most people need is already on the CD, I don't think it would be such a waste. |
| 15:08.33 | ideafix | is new kernel 2.6.11 doing statefull packet inspection already ? |
| 15:08.51 | FieldySnuts | there's a nice IMAP error "Error refreshing: success" |
| 15:09.03 | greycat | ideafix: google iptables |
| 15:09.07 | Sharcho | And download an entire LiveCD just because you're missing an application you need, isn't any less wasteful IMO. |
| 15:09.23 | stew | ideafix: uhh, all the 2.4 kernels can do stateful packet inspection even |
| 15:09.24 | FieldySnuts | troll? |
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| 15:09.36 | ideafix | greycat: if i wanted google i would be using a web browser |
| 15:09.44 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:09.52 | FieldySnuts | yep. troll |
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| 15:10.11 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 15:10.11 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 15:10.37 | FieldySnuts | sadly people think it's an insult being pointed at that, truth is, it's a great guideline |
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| 15:10.54 | zinx | it's not really that great a guideline WRT irc |
| 15:11.01 | visual | greycat, |
| 15:11.06 | visual | greycat, this dont work |
| 15:11.14 | visual | i need to reinstall audiooooo:( |
| 15:11.16 | visual | but how!? |
| 15:11.19 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. In my case it is usually a honest attempt at teaching them to fish. Which is, of course, a good thing. |
| 15:11.28 | simonrvn | "reinstall audio"? |
| 15:11.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:11.36 | zinx | teach a man to fish, and he'll live until the fish die out |
| 15:11.37 | visual | yeah all my sound is not working etc |
| 15:11.44 | zinx | people have to f'n think for themselves |
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| 15:12.03 | greycat | teach a man to fish, and he'll exterminate all the fish in the world. |
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| 15:12.55 | gothtec | What's missing in this config? http://gothtec.panikk.org/stuff/ntp.conf I want this to be the time server for my local network, but apparently, when I do "ntpdate -u 192.168.2.2" where the ip is the one of that server, there are "no server suitable for synchronization found" |
| 15:12.58 | alfatau | hi, i've a problem: when i boot up my pc, i hear a strong and annoying sound, similar to pc speaker, but not done by pc speaker, and produced by sound card, because i can hear that annoying sound using headphones. What can i do to disable it, or do u know to what is it due'? |
| 15:13.13 | greycat | gothtec: ntptrace 192.168.2.2 |
| 15:13.41 | visual | !!!! Someone please tell me how i can get audio work??? (Debian Sarge, soundcard: AC97) |
| 15:13.48 | greycat | !ac97 |
| 15:13.49 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 15:13.52 | carnage | alfatau: a warning that your cpu fan is spinning two slowly? |
| 15:13.53 | gothtec | greycat: 192.168.2.2: stratum 16, offset 0.000000, synch distance 0.000000 |
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| 15:14.02 | greycat | gothtec: stratum 16 is why. |
| 15:14.03 | stew | !WikiFaq visual UseSoundCard |
| 15:14.04 | dpkg | visual: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:14.13 | greycat | gothtec: you have to wait for 192.168.2.2 to become synced before you can use it as a time server |
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| 15:14.33 | MrMeee | how can i find out what my hd partitions is called, tring to fix lilo |
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| 15:14.44 | PerfDave | MrMeee: fdisk -l |
| 15:14.48 | greycat | MrMeee: from woody rescue disc or sarge netinstall disc? |
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| 15:15.06 | MrMeee | from woody boot cd |
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| 15:15.09 | gothtec | greycat: which stratum will it be when synced? is my config correct? |
| 15:15.14 | greycat | MrMeee: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 15:15.20 | MrMeee | ty |
| 15:15.21 | greycat | gothtec: anything less than 10. |
| 15:15.29 | greycat | gothtec: I didn't look at the config. I don't care about that. |
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| 15:16.08 | gothtec | greycat: will it slowly go down to 15, 14, 13 etc. so I can track the progress? |
| 15:16.47 | alfatau | carnage: mmmh... where can i verify if i got it?? dmesg?? |
| 15:17.09 | greycat | gothtec: no. it will jump. |
| 15:17.17 | mw` | anyone know if dri works with matrox g450 pci? |
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| 15:17.53 | MrMeee | it won't mount says can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:18.20 | smoser | anyone know (or tell me where to ask): freenx sets up the DISPLAY to be something like 'unix:1000.0' . there is a host on my network named 'unix'. it is then trying to connect to that machine rather than the intended method of using unix sockets. |
| 15:18.27 | Zitter | hi, to add a new .ttf font just put it in .font dir and then fs-cache or in debian I have to use another method? |
| 15:18.38 | smoser | any idea on how to tell not to care about a host name named unix? |
| 15:18.46 | mw` | i'm asking because i want to buy a matrox g450 pci, the mga manual page says it is supported in both agp and pci versions, but dri website says it isnt (by dri). so do i need dri for 3d accel? |
| 15:18.47 | smoser | kind of a blacklist in /etc/hosts |
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| 15:19.06 | nagual | smoser: nullroute it :) |
| 15:19.07 | visual | hahahahahah |
| 15:19.12 | visual | greycat, is smarter than bill gates |
| 15:19.17 | alfatau | carnage: dmesg no output about fan :( |
| 15:19.37 | carnage | alfatau: check the bios first... assuming it happens right when you hit the power button |
| 15:19.44 | smoser | nagual, if thats serious, how would i do that? |
| 15:19.50 | smoser | if not, sorry that i missed your humor |
| 15:19.52 | smoser | :) |
| 15:20.02 | nagual | route host/32 localhost |
| 15:20.05 | nagual | err, route add |
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| 15:20.20 | nagual | or wherever |
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| 15:20.23 | smoser | is localhost sockets same as unix sockets? |
| 15:20.31 | greycat | there's no such thing as a "localhost socket" |
| 15:20.35 | smoser | wouldn't that end up making him come through the localhost interface ? |
| 15:20.35 | nagual | but thats probably a really retarded way of solving your problem, but i answered yoru qeustion |
| 15:20.36 | smoser | right. |
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| 15:21.01 | smoser | i've always just assumed that there was more overhead to localhost: than unix socket |
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| 15:21.06 | smoser | is that a bad assumption? |
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| 15:21.20 | pif | anybody noticed courier changed logging facility? |
| 15:21.33 | alfatau | carnage: i hear that annoying "beep" after nearly 5-6 seconds after the kernel booted |
| 15:21.35 | pif | I don't get any courier debug in any log file |
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| 15:21.44 | greycat | smoser: "unix:" is indeed an X-ish spelling of "Use unix domain sockets instead of TCP/IP sockets" |
| 15:21.47 | stew | pif: courier has not changed its logging facility |
| 15:21.55 | visual | !soundcard |
| 15:21.56 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 15:22.03 | alfatau | carnage: and it has a very high volume |
| 15:22.14 | visual | !isapnp sound |
| 15:22.15 | dpkg | (0) determine which module to use; (1) pnpdump -c >/etc/isapnp.conf; isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf; (2) read /etc/isapnp.conf and get the IO, IRQ and DMA; (3) echo "options MODULE io=IO irq=IRQ dma=DMA" >> /etc/modutils/sound; update-modules; (4) modprobe MODULE; (5) cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp; (6) adduser USERNAME audio |
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| 15:22.41 | greycat | god am I glad we don't have to do *that* any more. |
| 15:22.42 | carnage | alfatau, does it stop eventually?... does your soundcard still work once the system is booted? |
| 15:23.17 | jelly | smoser: can't you just set DISPLAY to ":1000"? |
| 15:23.36 | greycat | jelly: I think that's equivalent to unix:1000 but I might be wrong |
| 15:23.44 | visual | nothing helps |
| 15:24.00 | alfatau | carnage: yes, perfectly. only a very strong and annoying beep during the boot. that sound stops immediately, it's only a beep. |
| 15:24.06 | visual | !idepci |
| 15:24.06 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 15:24.14 | greycat | visual: start at the beginning. what sound card is it? what version of debian? what kernel? |
| 15:24.38 | jelly | greycat: that's what I think too, so then whatever library in X might ignore the host unluckily named "unix" |
| 15:24.45 | smoser | jelly, good thought. that seems to work. |
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| 15:24.49 | visual | greycat, Linux Debian Sarge, 2.4.27-2-686, AC97 common soundcard |
| 15:24.58 | greycat | visual: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 15:25.09 | visual | nothing |
| 15:25.10 | smoser | any ideas why the freenx/nomachine people would have decided to use 'unix:' rather than just : |
| 15:25.11 | greycat | !ac97 |
| 15:25.11 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 15:25.14 | jelly | smoser: or rename your host ;) |
| 15:25.20 | carnage | alfatau, if it just beeps once, that is just the sound driver modules being loaded into the kernel... mine does that too except its more of a low frequency boom with the sub... not so much a beep |
| 15:25.23 | greycat | visual: open up the computer and visually inspect the sound card, and then tell us what it is. |
| 15:25.31 | smoser | big corporate network. not my host. can't reanme it. |
| 15:25.34 | visual | sec |
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| 15:25.46 | smoser | thanks, jelly |
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| 15:26.32 | visual | greycat, C-Media SB16 |
| 15:26.40 | greycat | visual: is it PCI or ISA? |
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| 15:26.50 | visual | greycat, pci |
| 15:27.01 | greycat | visual: lsmod | grep cmi |
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| 15:27.13 | jelly | smoser: since the software is pretty fresh, you could perhaps persuade them to change the DISPLAY setting. I've never actually seen using "unix:0" anywhere, only seen it in xauth database. |
| 15:27.14 | visual | nothing |
| 15:27.19 | greycat | visual: modprobe cmipci |
| 15:27.25 | gothtec | How can I figure out what remote ports a given program is trying to connect to without being able to connect to the remote host? |
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| 15:27.33 | visual | can't locate module cmipci |
| 15:27.38 | greycat | visual: but if lspci didn't see it, I suspect it's not fully inserted in the slot. |
| 15:27.40 | smoser | jelly, i'm gonna see about doing that. just trying to think if there was any reason why they would have chosen it, that changing it would break. |
| 15:27.50 | greycat | !locate cmipci.o sarge |
| 15:28.05 | stew | find? |
| 15:28.15 | smoser | gothtec, netstat -plunt will show you all open ports on your machine. |
| 15:28.25 | greycat | err, yeah, probably. |
| 15:28.27 | greycat | !find cmipci.o sarge |
| 15:28.29 | visual | greycat, maybe its ISA, i dont know exactly cant open my comp:( |
| 15:28.39 | greycat | oh, so you're *lying* too. |
| 15:28.46 | visual | i was pretty sure its PCI |
| 15:28.51 | visual | because its common soundcard |
| 15:28.55 | visual | tho old kinda |
| 15:29.00 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 15:29.05 | smoser | greycat, what is the backend that the !find goes into ? is that available via some other method than irc bot? |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cmipci.o' (4 of 7): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/updates/alsa/snd-cmipci.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/updates/alsa/snd-cmipci.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-cmipci.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-cmipci.o) in sound/alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386. |
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| 15:29.15 | greycat | ugh. too many hits. |
| 15:29.24 | visual | it was on lsmod before, but when i tried to install OSS then it disappeared |
| 15:29.29 | stew | gothtec: tcpdump for syn packages |
| 15:29.34 | visual | AC97 sound device etc. |
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| 15:29.46 | stew | s/packages/packets/ |
| 15:29.51 | jelly | think OSS gets it under cmi8330 |
| 15:30.04 | greycat | ah, I was off by a tiny bit. It's cmpci, not cmipci. |
| 15:30.06 | visual | jelly, yeah cmi8330 it is |
| 15:30.08 | MasterJim | does someone has a recipe for partman that works in order to you with debian-installer ?? |
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| 15:30.14 | visual | jelly, had same name on the windows driver |
| 15:30.19 | Ellixis | Hi all |
| 15:30.25 | visual | greycat, you nerd:P |
| 15:30.30 | Ellixis | Is there any security chan about Debian ? |
| 15:30.44 | pif | stew: I don't get any more courier messages in either syslog or mail.* |
| 15:30.51 | Ellixis | Or about GNU/Linux in general |
| 15:30.58 | visual | it still cant find cmpci, No such device. |
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| 15:31.52 | jelly | had an old ALi motherboard with that sound chip at work. Was buggy and cheap-sounding, IIRC |
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| 15:31.57 | visual | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/kernel/drivers/sound/cmpci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 15:32.18 | visual | jelly, but how to make it work on kernel 2.4? |
| 15:33.01 | jelly | visual: Don't know... did pnpdump show anything, maybe it really is ISA? |
| 15:33.10 | alfatau | carnage: ah, ok. so do u advice me to compile kernel without the sound card module, but compiling it monolitic?? |
| 15:33.35 | visual | pnpdump: command not found |
| 15:33.35 | treestone | !u |
| 15:33.36 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:34.08 | visual | !b4 |
| 15:34.08 | dpkg | try before, moron, or i51 n34 g10 o23...BINGO! |
| 15:34.22 | greycat | jelly: I strongly suspect sarge already loaded a module for him, and that it's "sb", for his ISA card, because he never mentioned seeing "No such device" in the earlier attempts to get him to test sound by the command line |
| 15:34.22 | stew | pif: are you talking about -imap or -mta? |
| 15:34.24 | visual | !cya |
| 15:34.25 | dpkg | cya is, like, Cover Your Ass, or l33tspeak for "see you" |
| 15:34.28 | pif | stew: imap |
| 15:34.38 | shakparl | !cacti |
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| 15:34.48 | pif | stew: what facility does it use? |
| 15:34.54 | shakparl | !nagios |
| 15:34.58 | greycat | jelly: the only other choice is that his card is broken (possibly not firmly seated in the slot) |
| 15:35.02 | stew | pif: dunno, the latest version of -imap still logs to the mail facility |
| 15:35.03 | visual | greycat, maybe trying to install OSS...fakked it up? |
| 15:35.14 | visual | greycat, no card worked fine yday on windows:P |
| 15:35.18 | greycat | jelly: but since he's a fucking liar, I refuse to listen to him. |
| 15:35.21 | jelly | greycat: missed that. AFAIR the card might work as SBPro with that module, but it worked in 16bit mode with the correct module, something like that. |
| 15:35.53 | jelly | greycat: Oh, one of those "no, sir, didn't change a thing! It just stopped working" |
| 15:35.56 | carnage | alfatau, if you want your sound card to work, you're gonna hear that noise every time you link the sound card kernel module to the kernel, which happens during the booting process |
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| 15:37.38 | jelly | visual: lsmod|grep sb? |
| 15:37.45 | visual | greycat, my xfce mouse pwnz j0, and no worries i will find solution by myself, becoz u r the nerd and me r the mastah hakker! |
| 15:37.47 | ikaro | hellas |
| 15:38.00 | visual | usb only |
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| 15:38.53 | jelly | visual: install isapnp, use something like pnpdump -rc > /etc/isapnp.conf, see if your card is mentioned there and configured. Then find the right driver. |
| 15:39.07 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to have a crontab entry that exacutes more than once an hour? The way I understand it is 5 * * * * executes every hour at 5 minutes past the hour. |
| 15:39.14 | visual | jelly, i dont got "pnpdump" command |
| 15:39.16 | jelly | */5 |
| 15:39.17 | caphuso | Gumby: man 5 crontab |
| 15:39.20 | jelly | !installit |
| 15:39.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 15:39.23 | jelly | :-) |
| 15:39.40 | jelly | Im getting the hang of this |
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| 15:39.53 | sdogi | !serialmouse |
| 15:40.08 | sdogi | !mouse |
| 15:40.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in XFree 4.0.2, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. |
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| 15:40.31 | sdogi | nah |
| 15:40.38 | greycat | <greycat> visual: open up the computer and visually inspect the sound card, and then tell us what it is. <visual> sec <visual> greycat, C-Media SB16 <greycat> visual: is it PCI or ISA? <visual> greycat, pci ....2minuteslater.... <visual> greycat, maybe its ISA, i dont know exactly cant open my comp:( |
| 15:40.49 | visual | jelly, where i get pnpdump, apt-get dont got it |
| 15:41.07 | SlayerXP | visual: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:41.09 | sdogi | !gpm |
| 15:41.09 | dpkg | somebody said gpm was if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 15:41.10 | visual | greycat, i knew it is cmedia sb16 yes |
| 15:41.21 | directhex | plus, emu8k and cmedia are completely & totally different. thats like having an intel athlon |
| 15:41.46 | jelly | visual: ffs, read the installit message above. |
| 15:41.47 | visual | !greycat |
| 15:41.47 | dpkg | greycat is, like, at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or he has nice furry legs |
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| 15:42.56 | borius | anyone from Iceland? am considering moving there, need to ask some questions |
| 15:43.06 | colonelpanic010 | There's some ice here. |
| 15:43.12 | colonelpanic010 | But I'm in michigan |
| 15:43.14 | colonelpanic010 | that count? |
| 15:43.20 | borius | heh |
| 15:43.28 | keks | can anybody recommend good documentation about creating (not remastering) a live-cd out of a debian system? |
| 15:43.38 | asg | keks: install bootcd |
| 15:43.41 | sdogi | iceland could be cool |
| 15:43.42 | sdogi | !iceland |
| 15:43.47 | sdogi | lol |
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| 15:45.33 | jelly | Hey, is it cheating if I'm installing popularity-contest only on my 2 sparcs, instead of the other tens of i386s? |
| 15:45.53 | VoX | i think dpkg is broken |
| 15:46.04 | caphuso | jelly: doesn't matter |
| 15:46.20 | VoX | its not responding to the bts /msg |
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| 15:47.41 | greycat | VoX: answers me. |
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| 15:47.59 | asg | greycat: it did that to me yesterday. I had to fully quit irc before it started responding again |
| 15:48.09 | sdogi | maybe he doesn't want to talk with you :D |
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| 15:48.22 | greycat | if that's the case, I don't see why quitting would help... |
| 15:48.38 | wlazian | does anyone know how to get the serial_cs module for kernel 2.6.10? |
| 15:49.05 | asg | greycat: I agree, it shouldn't have but it did. It would respond in channel but not via /msg |
| 15:49.05 | VoX | greycat: answer you how/what? |
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| 15:49.29 | greycat | VoX: "/msg dpkg bts" -> "methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System ..." |
| 15:49.36 | jammin | tes |
| 15:49.44 | VoX | hmmm |
| 15:49.54 | VoX | well it's not working for me *shrug* |
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| 15:50.25 | takatumi | !tell VoX -about bts |
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| 15:50.36 | VoX | that worked |
| 15:50.44 | dsd__ | How do I make xmms support pls-streams? |
| 15:51.00 | zinx | dsd__: you install it |
| 15:51.26 | DebianTestr | I'm trying to setup a redundant firewall using proxy arp.. is there a simple gateway protocol I can use to automatically defer packets if one firewall happens to go down? |
| 15:51.35 | brosio | is correct that my dvd and dvd recorder works in scsi emulation ? |
| 15:51.40 | zinx | dsd__: xmms won't download the .pls for you, but it will usually play the URLs the .pls has inside |
| 15:51.43 | jerome | hum, how do we guess what xkb symbol is behind a key ? xev doesn't return usable values ? |
| 15:51.45 | Mr_You | debian: OSPF? |
| 15:52.07 | DebianTestr | debian: firewall failover ? |
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| 15:52.24 | zinx | dsd__: in debian, .pls are automatically accociated with xmms or something else that can handle them in all the popular browsers, i think.. |
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| 15:53.53 | visual | !linux |
| 15:53.54 | dpkg | somebody said linux was closed |
| 15:53.58 | visual | !sarge |
| 15:53.58 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
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| 15:54.10 | dsd__ | zinx: i made the mistake to try to add a whole directory containing pls'. problem solved by adding the stream-files manually. however, thx for info. |
| 15:54.12 | visual | !woody |
| 15:54.13 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 15:54.15 | takatumi | visual: /msg dpkg |
| 15:54.24 | visual | !takatumi |
| 15:54.28 | visual | -_- |
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| 15:55.44 | Mr_You | 2002?!?! |
| 15:55.55 | Mr_You | well they have updated it since then.. |
| 15:56.04 | directhex | Mr_You, nope. only security |
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| 15:56.28 | Mr_You | thats sad. |
| 15:56.29 | jammin | hi wotschi :) |
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| 15:56.32 | sdogi | but sarge should get stable soon |
| 15:56.37 | dvs | Mr_You: Yup |
| 15:56.42 | directhex | Mr_You, which is why few people in here use wody |
| 15:56.47 | directhex | *woody |
| 15:56.58 | Mr_You | there should atleast be a base thats updated once or twice a year. |
| 15:57.00 | PerfDave | Hey, some of us use Woody *because* it only gets security updates. |
| 15:57.11 | dvs | Mr_You: Nah, 18 months at the most. |
| 15:57.14 | directhex | Mr_You, it's called ubuntu, the door si that way --> |
| 15:57.21 | Mr_You | perf: you're welcome to... but I see a lack of updates a hinderance for adoption. |
| 15:57.34 | transgress | directhex actually didn't debian just establish some kind of panel just for that purpose? |
| 15:57.35 | PerfDave | Mr_You: I don't. If you want something more recent, run Sarge. |
| 15:57.36 | greycat | !advocacy troll |
| 15:57.36 | dpkg | methinks advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 15:57.56 | directhex | transgress, more meetings & red tape. just what was needed |
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| 15:58.03 | jelly | Mr_You: stable works very well in corporate environment. |
| 15:58.07 | tosh| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.08 | Mr_You | Perf: can't install sarge from a CD last I checked. |
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| 15:58.19 | directhex | Mr_You, you last checked over a year ago? |
| 15:58.24 | Mr_You | jelly: we're talking about a base install, theres no reason it couldn't be stable. |
| 15:58.25 | greycat | Mr_You: what the HELL are you smoking? |
| 15:58.25 | PerfDave | Mr_You: You checked wrong. |
| 15:58.32 | Mr_You | relax people. |
| 15:58.42 | transgress | you checked really wrong |
| 15:58.46 | jelly | Mr_You: you're welcome to implement it. ;-) |
| 15:58.46 | greycat | NO, we will NOT relax while you come in here and lie and troll. |
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| 15:58.51 | ricky_clarkson | Whenever you tell people to relax, they never do. |
| 15:58.53 | transgress | of course someone did come in yesterday and ask what man bash was |
| 15:58.55 | Mr_You | grecat: you're wrong. |
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| 15:59.05 | jelly | heh |
| 15:59.06 | transgress | so you aren't the worst off |
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| 15:59.10 | VoX | dumb question: how do i save route information? everytime i restart the box i have to re-enter the gateway address |
| 15:59.11 | greycat | !d-i |
| 15:59.11 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 15:59.25 | asg | VoX: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:59.32 | greycat | VoX: put an "up" command in interfaces(5) |
| 15:59.42 | PerfDave | Is port 524 something Windows-related? It's not in /etc/services. |
| 15:59.48 | greycat | PerfDave: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 16:00.08 | sdogi | whoa, X crashed my box |
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| 16:00.40 | PerfDave | greycat: Uhm, I'm analysing all the traffic coming into my network, looking at portscans from infected Windows machines upstream of me. I've not got that port open, just looking at requests to it. |
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| 16:00.55 | sdogi | why does it seem to me that gpm and X's mouse won't work well together.. or am i wrong? |
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| 16:01.11 | VoX | cheers |
| 16:01.16 | greycat | sdogi: it's pretty well known. |
| 16:01.26 | greycat | sdogi: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 16:01.26 | dvs | sdogi: If you're using gpm, X should read /dev/gpmdata |
| 16:02.00 | Ellixis | Simulation: My debian box has been hacked, what should I do first ? |
| 16:02.03 | sdogi | the thing is that i also have serial port mouse, which was overridden by apt-get with ps2 |
| 16:02.05 | alfatau | carnage: so even if i will choose "y" instead of "m" in my kernel configuration, i will continue to hear that annoying beep?? |
| 16:02.10 | greycat | Ellixis: pull the network cable out |
| 16:02.19 | sdogi | but thaks for gpm+x |
| 16:02.40 | jammin | wotschi wie kann man hier ein seperates fenster öffnen |
| 16:02.42 | greycat | alfatau: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 16:02.54 | palmero_ | Hi there. I'm very new to using Linux and I'm having a bit of a problem. I am running Debian Sarge on my laptop and can't get acpi to work under kernel 2.6. KDE instructs me to enable ac-adapter and control-method-battery and rebuild the kernel. I installed the kernel-source and now I'm stuck :) |
| 16:02.56 | greycat | !tell jammin about de |
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| 16:03.09 | Ellixis | greycat: ok, and if it's a xU server hosted in a datacenter ? |
| 16:03.24 | pipeline | palmero_: You shouldn't need to rebuild the kernel. |
| 16:03.46 | palmero_ | ok, what should I need to do then? |
| 16:03.55 | PerfDave | palmero_: "modprobe acpi" doesn't fix it? |
| 16:04.10 | pipeline | palmero_: I would try "modprobe ac" and "modprobe battery" |
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| 16:05.04 | valdyn | palmero_: which notebook is it? |
| 16:05.22 | palmero_ | those modprobs did the trick :) |
| 16:05.40 | palmero_ | dell inspiron8200 |
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| 16:05.57 | dvs | palmero_: Now put it in your /etc/modules file |
| 16:06.40 | tosh| | can any of you vsftpd users try the hide_file option for me? |
| 16:06.51 | palmero_ | modules.conf or just modules? |
| 16:06.55 | micker | anyone know if there is any truth to the email I just got claiming that sarge will be the last supported release for sparc and there will be no support at all in etch? |
| 16:06.59 | dvs | palmero_: just modules |
| 16:07.09 | palmero_ | ok |
| 16:07.32 | simonrvn | micker: SCC. scc.debian.org. read the whole thing |
| 16:07.34 | palmero_ | so I put "modprobe acpi \n modprobe ac ..." there? |
| 16:07.44 | dvs | palmero_: "acpi" and "ac" |
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| 16:08.00 | dvs | palmero_: "acpi\nac\n..." |
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| 16:08.19 | Yinsakens | Hello guys |
| 16:08.28 | Yinsakens | where can I download historic debain ISOs? |
| 16:08.34 | greycat | !archive |
| 16:08.34 | valdyn | micker: theres some truth in that, but only some |
| 16:08.34 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://archive.debian.org/, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:08.40 | Yinsakens | ops :) |
| 16:08.41 | Yinsakens | thz :*** |
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| 16:09.01 | dravey_ | argh. |
| 16:09.10 | dravey_ | my fonts are all messed up :( |
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| 16:09.24 | simonrvn | !fix dravey_'s fonts |
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| 16:09.54 | dravey_ | allright at least now they won't breed. |
| 16:09.59 | micker | valdyn: that really sucks... I use that more than any of the other debian arch's |
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| 16:10.08 | palmero_ | thank you guys very much for the help! :) |
| 16:10.09 | ritalin | hello |
| 16:10.24 | ritalin | I though i would pop in here cause #gnu seems to be dead |
| 16:10.40 | ritalin | I always considered debian the most gnu-ish distro |
| 16:10.50 | ritalin | I was wondering if you could help me clarify something |
| 16:10.58 | sdogi | it is |
| 16:11.04 | PerfDave | ritalin: Nah, GNU/Hurd is ;) |
| 16:11.04 | pipeline | you are? |
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| 16:11.21 | PerfDave | ritalin: See the perennial RMS flamewars on the Debian mailing lists ;) |
| 16:11.29 | ritalin | I a primarily a OS X and freebsd user but out at school all we have is windows |
| 16:11.29 | dravey_ | Pango can't load Bitstream sans vera *or* a fallback font. |
| 16:11.33 | BadMan | Im in the process of doing some updates and was doing a apt-get of kernel source and recieved a bit of info regarding: Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by: |
| 16:11.34 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, And if you really want HURD, what's the easiest way to install it? Debian GNU/Hurd! |
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| 16:11.40 | BadMan | followed by a list of kernel sources |
| 16:11.52 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver, PerfDave: The problem being, of course, that HURD is awful. |
| 16:11.56 | ritalin | I was using xchat windows and it seems it has a 30 day time period when you can use it but after that you have to pay or it wont start |
| 16:12.01 | pipeline | ritalin: Install cygwin; porblem solved. |
| 16:12.04 | ritalin | I was curious if this violates the gpl |
| 16:12.15 | ritalin | it is licensed under it |
| 16:12.16 | greycat | ritalin: is xchat under the GPL? |
| 16:12.18 | BadMan | after that I reeived : You should explicitly select one to install. E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 16:12.24 | ritalin | greycat yes i checked |
| 16:12.36 | jepel_tailweaver | ritalin, If it is GPL, go grab the sources, remove the time limit and stuff, and compile it yourself |
| 16:12.36 | greycat | ritalin: is the windows version also under the GPL? maybe they licensed that differently. |
| 16:12.37 | PerfDave | ritalin: Uh, IIRC xchat is dual-licensed. The Linux version is GPL, the Windows version isn't. |
| 16:12.40 | valdyn | ritalin: sure *that* doesnt |
| 16:12.40 | BadMan | My kernel from uname -r is :2.6.8-1-386 |
| 16:12.40 | pipeline | ritalin: Xchat's creator claims that nobody else ever contributed to the project. Unless you're a wronged party, you can't sue. Find someone else's win32 build. |
| 16:12.44 | micker | simonrvn: scc.debian.org doesnt resolve for me |
| 16:13.07 | ritalin | I see |
| 16:13.23 | directhex | there are free builds for windows |
| 16:13.24 | BadMan | I see kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-13 as one of the options but am not sure which one to specify any guidance would be appreciated |
| 16:13.27 | directhex | google for silverex xchat |
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| 16:13.42 | bowman | hi, anyone know a tool named "no"? |
| 16:13.45 | greycat | !wayttd BadMan |
| 16:13.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, BadMan? |
| 16:13.46 | pipeline | BadMan: Why are you installing kernel source? |
| 16:13.54 | directhex | built from the gpl source. simple. |
| 16:13.56 | simonrvn | bowman: man yes |
| 16:13.58 | BadMan | nvidia..... |
| 16:13.58 | dravey_ | hmm, wmaker can't load fonts either. |
| 16:14.00 | dravey_ | weirdness |
| 16:14.04 | dravey_ | xfs is running. |
| 16:14.05 | ritalin | directhex ty |
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| 16:14.06 | greycat | bowman: something broke during your ./configure run. Read the output. |
| 16:14.07 | directhex | BadMan, you don't need the kernel source. |
| 16:14.09 | PerfDave | BadMan: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:14.17 | greycat | BadMan: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:14.19 | greycat | !faq |
| 16:14.19 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:14.35 | directhex | the one-liner needs some revising, because of a dodgy nvidia-kernel-common in sarge |
| 16:14.49 | dravey_ | shoudn't xfs listen to 7100/tcp on localhost ? |
| 16:14.51 | BadMan | last inght I went thorugh this and it would not let me do anything without the kernel source |
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| 16:15.08 | BadMan | of ocurse I though I got someplace and ran out of /boot hehe |
| 16:15.32 | dravey_ | oh, disabled for security reasons |
| 16:15.34 | ritalin | God i hate mirc |
| 16:15.40 | BadMan | so a partitino and format of hda took place and a 2.6 kernel install of net-instal took play whilst I slept |
| 16:15.54 | BadMan | xircon is a nice one |
| 16:15.57 | foureyes779 | ritalin: their is BitchX also |
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| 16:16.27 | greycat | foureyes779: there is pestilence, famine, and female genital mutilation, too. |
| 16:16.30 | ritalin | I use irssi on my mac |
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| 16:16.33 | ritalin | its teh best |
| 16:16.37 | directhex | right. fixed i think |
| 16:16.41 | ryan_ | anyone played fifa street? |
| 16:16.47 | BadMan | i like irssi-text through ssh |
| 16:16.57 | foureyes779 | greycat: true, apt-get pestilence doesnt work though |
| 16:16.58 | ritalin | irssi+screen= heaven |
| 16:17.15 | directhex | BadMan, unless you've done something inordinately stupid, you do NOT need kernel source to install nvidia-glx |
| 16:17.17 | ryan_ | hello talk to me |
| 16:17.25 | ritalin | foureyes779good choice |
| 16:17.27 | ryan_ | please |
| 16:17.28 | greycat | !listkeys fifa |
| 16:17.29 | ritalin | You a fink user too? |
| 16:17.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fifa' by key returned no results. |
| 16:17.31 | BadMan | it says its suggested.... |
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| 16:17.43 | foureyes779 | no |
| 16:17.46 | BadMan | arg this is the only reason ppl use friggin M$ |
| 16:17.54 | foureyes779 | Linux debian 2.4.27-powerpc #1 ven sep 3 09:34:51 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 16:18.03 | ritalin | ahh |
| 16:18.10 | ritalin | you should try fink if you ever run os x |
| 16:18.15 | pipeline | BadMan: lol m$ windoze FIGHT DA MANG LOLOLOL |
| 16:18.17 | ritalin | its apt-get basically |
| 16:18.21 | simonrvn | Linux pylon 2.6.11 #2 Wed Mar 9 05:19:32 EST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 16:18.33 | BadMan | Im trying but getting overlly frustrated right now |
| 16:18.35 | foureyes779 | ritalin: this is an OLD PowerMac 7600/133 |
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| 16:18.45 | greycat | BadMan: the reason Debian doesn't just set up your nvidia stuff by default and save you the trouble is NVIDIA'S LICENSE. Blame nvidia. It's not Debian's fault. |
| 16:18.48 | ritalin | I would run a linux but I love wi-fi to much |
| 16:18.49 | ryan_ | anyone got a laptop? |
| 16:19.06 | asg | !anyone |
| 16:19.06 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:19.09 | pipeline | ritalin: #macosx |
| 16:19.09 | ritalin | and sense broadcom wont allow its chipset my AE card only runs in os x |
| 16:19.16 | ritalin | heh |
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| 16:19.17 | BadMan | greycat I understand that I just wish I could get a clear and precise howto on getting it going.... 8-( |
| 16:19.25 | ritalin | ok cya ya guys later |
| 16:19.26 | directhex | okay, re-fixed. |
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| 16:19.30 | ritalin | thanx for the gnu help |
| 16:19.32 | foureyes779 | ritalin: later |
| 16:19.37 | bowman | well, "no" is needed during the build of binutils, can someone just tell me what it is? ;) |
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| 16:19.43 | greycat | BadMan: our FAQ's instructions didn't work? |
| 16:19.53 | bandito | the opposite of "yes" |
| 16:19.55 | greycat | bowman: I FUCKING TOLD YOU. |
| 16:20.00 | directhex | !tell BadMan about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:20.00 | BadMan | no tried them last time nvidia stuff still complains oabout kernel source |
| 16:20.05 | ryan_ | sping |
| 16:20.07 | greycat | 11:14 greycat> bowman: something broke during your ./configure run. Read the greycat> bowman: something broke during your ./configure run. Read the |
| 16:20.08 | simonrvn | bowman: it's fucked. |
| 16:20.11 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.12 | pipeline | BadMan: Don't use the nvidia installer. |
| 16:20.15 | greycat | damned mouse. damned moving text. |
| 16:20.22 | directhex | follow those instructions. make SURE you don't have an unneccessary /usr/src/linux symlink, which will cause problems |
| 16:20.32 | bowman | greycat: no need to be cursing ;) |
| 16:20.35 | pipeline | BadMan: Get the nvidia packages from unstable. Install them. That's it. |
| 16:20.35 | greycat | damned inability to paste multiple lines in one step. |
| 16:21.04 | ryan_ | part &2 |
| 16:21.33 | BadMan | ok Im going to try this one-liner again... this is 2.6 vs the 2.4.27 I had been running.... |
| 16:21.37 | BadMan | bbiaf |
| 16:21.49 | greycat | gods. he's not even IN debian, is he? |
| 16:21.50 | greycat | :( |
| 16:22.06 | directhex | BadMan, what does uname -r return? |
| 16:22.14 | greycat | well, he didn't /quit, so maybe he has multiple computers. that's acceptable. |
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| 16:22.35 | asg | greycat: at opposite ends of the house by the looks of it |
| 16:22.43 | BadMan | im on a windoze laptop sshd into my debian box via putty right now... |
| 16:22.53 | kalila | how on earth are you supposed to start a new message on newsgroups in evolution?? |
| 16:22.54 | greycat | he needs to learn how to irc from the text console, or ssh, or something...' |
| 16:22.55 | BadMan | this is what I get off the 1-liner E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 16:23.04 | pipeline | BadMan: Install the kernel headers. |
| 16:23.08 | tid-wave | hello! where can i find an usb tutorial for debian ? or some documentation for USB i don't know how toget the list of devices connected |
| 16:23.08 | greycat | BadMan: keep the sarge sources, too. |
| 16:23.09 | directhex | BadMan, your kernel is antique. get a security patched one. |
| 16:23.11 | BadMan | grey? me |
| 16:23.19 | directhex | BadMan, what cpu does the system have? |
| 16:23.28 | BadMan | oh my god get soemthing else hehe...... |
| 16:23.29 | greycat | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 sarge |
| 16:23.31 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386' does not exist. |
| 16:23.33 | BadMan | k7 700 |
| 16:23.35 | greycat | hmm. |
| 16:23.38 | valdyn | BadMan: youre using an unsupported kernel image right now, get a supported one |
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| 16:23.44 | directhex | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 16:23.45 | directhex | then reboot |
| 16:23.45 | greycat | !find kernel-headers-2.6.8 sarge |
| 16:23.46 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-headers-2.6.8' (9 of 12): kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-generic ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686. |
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| 16:24.01 | BadMan | direct ok. |
| 16:24.28 | dravey_ | ooh |
| 16:24.29 | dravey_ | fontconfig |
| 16:24.39 | greycat | directhex: will be nice, especially if they fix the hppa installer. |
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| 16:25.09 | BadMan | I wish there was some option I could have selected that during my install... whish it gave more options on the architecture instead of just going witha default 386 |
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| 16:25.29 | greycat | BadMan: that option is spelled "man apt-get" |
| 16:25.32 | PerfDave | BadMan: What options did you want? |
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| 16:25.46 | greycat | PerfDave: maybe he wants it to recompile everything for his subarch, too, with USE flags. |
| 16:25.52 | BadMan | a proper arch specific kernel during isntall |
| 16:25.52 | tosh| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.59 | greycat | tosh|: #vsftpd might be. |
| 16:26.00 | directhex | BadMan, that happens by default if you use a full CD1 rather than a net-install cd |
| 16:26.08 | greycat | if it existed. :( |
| 16:26.08 | BadMan | ahhhhh |
| 16:26.11 | simonrvn | cat man apt-get > /dev/brain |
| 16:26.16 | PerfDave | BadMan: You should have read the Installation Manual |
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| 16:26.26 | greycat | simonrvn: s/cat // |
| 16:26.28 | PerfDave | simonrvn: I'd prefer to use >> there :) |
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| 16:26.39 | PerfDave | "useless use of greycat" |
| 16:26.41 | simonrvn | uh, yeh. duh |
| 16:26.42 | directhex | PerfDave, thaere's a bigger pull for your first cd advocacy. it picks a subarch kernel, where netinst doesn't |
| 16:26.50 | PerfDave | directhex: It does? Ooh. |
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| 16:27.05 | asg | simonrvn: and | col -b or your brain will have issues |
| 16:27.06 | tosh| | greycat #vsftpd is empty, already checked |
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| 16:27.17 | BadMan | I knoew I should have done this, done that.. but my brain is so tired of reading.... |
| 16:27.26 | BadMan | it hurts right now hehe |
| 16:27.32 | simonrvn | asg: left it out due to brain not remembering what col option to use |
| 16:27.44 | asg | simonrvn: ah |
| 16:27.45 | qwertz | Hi! Has anyone experienced problems accessing the mysql db with php under sarge (refused db connects half of the time)? |
| 16:27.47 | PerfDave | directhex: That's new since RC2? |
| 16:27.48 | BadMan | any certain thing I should do before booting the new kernel once its completed? |
| 16:28.05 | greycat | BadMan: if you use grub, no. it should work. |
| 16:28.09 | Space_NL | BadMan: drink coffee, u sound like u need it |
| 16:28.09 | BadMan | ok |
| 16:28.12 | asg | qwertz: nope, works just fine here. |
| 16:28.15 | simonrvn | make sure it will boot. like edit your bootloader's conf |
| 16:28.16 | tosh| | qwertz are you refering to the dbhost using DNS? |
| 16:28.30 | BadMan | maybe run update-grub? |
| 16:28.33 | dravey_ | YAY |
| 16:28.42 | dravey_ | latest latest version of fontconfig is borked |
| 16:28.46 | greycat | BadMan: no need, if you installed a debian kernel-image in a sarge grub. |
| 16:28.46 | dravey_ | fyi |
| 16:28.53 | BadMan | ok |
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| 16:29.40 | BadMan | woohoo 90% |
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| 16:30.05 | BadMan | I live over 7 miles from the switch in town, getting 400k is better than dialup |
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| 16:30.47 | ritalin | hello again |
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| 16:31.04 | BadMan | everything looks like it went good rebooting it now |
| 16:31.06 | ritalin | I have another GPL question for you guys :) |
| 16:31.15 | panda` | how to turn on warnings/prompt when cat foo > bar ? |
| 16:31.28 | greycat | panda`: you mean, when bar exists? |
| 16:31.43 | greycat | panda`: man bash, search for noclobber |
| 16:31.46 | BadMan | wonder why my sshd dont start at boot? |
| 16:31.52 | greycat | BadMan: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 16:32.02 | ritalin | I was wondering if the GPL was actually a binding agreement that would hold up in the courts or if it was just some bs idealism? |
| 16:32.18 | ritalin | Is anyone in charge of enforcing the GPL? |
| 16:32.19 | BadMan | ok now im at grub menu I have like 3 diff kernels with 3 diff kernels(recoverymode) |
| 16:32.37 | panda` | greycat, danke |
| 16:32.56 | treestone | ritalin: It's based on standard copyright laws, so presumably it will hold as it simply falls back to author's rights if not. But it hasn't been fully tested in court yet (well, possibly in Germany) |
| 16:33.03 | directhex | ritalin, there have been several out-f-court settlements on the basis of the GPL, and some court decisions based on it in europe. don't think there's been a court decision on GPL basis in the USA yet |
| 16:33.03 | BadMan | of course there is the 2.6.8-2-k7 2.6.8-1-386 and also a 2.4.27-2-386.. where did the 2.4.27 come from? |
| 16:33.15 | BadMan | each has a corresponding recovery mode |
| 16:33.34 | greycat | BadMan: 2.4.27 is probably what you installed to begin with. maybe. |
| 16:33.50 | greycat | maybe you installed twice over the same partition or something |
| 16:33.50 | drini | I stil llong gentoo's much easier runlevels than rc* stuff |
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| 16:34.31 | greycat | drini: what purpose does it serve to have multuple runlevels? Do you have your mail server come up without DNS on alternate thursdays just for grins? |
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| 16:34.43 | BadMan | well, i reparted /hda reformatted and selecte linux26 as my boot param lastnight shold it have been leftover? |
| 16:34.53 | greycat | BadMan: god only knows. |
| 16:34.56 | BadMan | lol |
| 16:35.06 | BadMan | stupid appletalk |
| 16:35.09 | drini | no, but it's easier to do: rc-update add alsasound boot; rc-update del xdm default |
| 16:35.12 | scoopex | hi - is it possible to define wildcard-access-right is a subversion repository ? i.e. i would like to forbid writeaccess to *.properties-files |
| 16:35.12 | drini | etc |
| 16:35.23 | valdyn | drini: man update-rc.d |
| 16:35.31 | drini | than to understand the numeric orders etc |
| 16:35.39 | panda` | greycat, how to know the current noclobber status? on or off? |
| 16:35.45 | greycat | panda`: man bash |
| 16:35.48 | greycat | panda`: help set |
| 16:35.53 | drini | thanks valdyn , are runlevels named in debian? or are they numeric |
| 16:36.09 | greycat | drini: it's normal SysV. 0-6 plus S. |
| 16:36.21 | greycat | 2-5 are all the same unless you configure it differently. |
| 16:36.21 | drini | *sigh* hehehehe |
| 16:36.30 | drini | ah ok that makes much more sense |
| 16:36.33 | valdyn | drini: i think gentoo uses the same layout as debian |
| 16:36.50 | BadMan | ok the kernel booted fine where to now? |
| 16:37.02 | BadMan | the 1-liner? |
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| 16:37.26 | Space_NL | what would be a nice ftp client for X ? (with restore, restart, memory for multiple sites, the works .. ?) |
| 16:37.32 | greycat | !for x |
| 16:37.32 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 16:37.37 | greycat | xterm -e lftp |
| 16:37.38 | eye69 | Space_NL: gftp |
| 16:37.53 | weasel | dpkg++ |
| 16:38.25 | Space_NL | greycat really likes text based isnt it ? |
| 16:38.58 | azreal | Space_NL: ive allways used ncftp |
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| 16:39.03 | BadMan | greycat the kernel seems good do I do the 1-liner now? |
| 16:39.58 | BadMan | this is my current kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 from uname -r |
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| 16:40.31 | panda` | greycat, should i add set -C to .bashrc? |
| 16:41.06 | greycat | panda`: do what you want. |
| 16:41.13 | panda` | greycat, or .bash_profile? |
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| 16:41.41 | greycat | !wikifaq panda` DotFiles |
| 16:41.42 | dpkg | panda`: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:42.04 | qwertz_ | tosh|, yes setup seems to be ok and worked some time but now nearly every seconc connection attempt fails, could be that one of the last updates broke something? |
| 16:42.10 | BadMan | 1 liner in progress |
| 16:42.46 | pucko- | what could cause this: "bash: ./INSTALL: /bin/sh: bad interpreter" when trying to run a script? |
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| 16:42.56 | greycat | !bad interpreter |
| 16:42.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
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| 16:44.04 | tosh| | qwertz_ maybe... check to see if you have any restrictions on your mysqld that would restrict a certain number of connections in a certain period of time |
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| 16:44.16 | BadMan | woohoo building nvidia kernel-source!! |
| 16:44.26 | tosh| | qwertz_ also, when working with php, try to open the connection to the db and leave it open until you really don't need it anymore, then close it |
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| 16:44.36 | tosh| | don't overload the db with open/close network I/O |
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| 16:44.43 | tosh| | disappointed about vsftpd |
| 16:44.45 | tosh| | blah |
| 16:46.07 | panda` | greycat, shopt |
| 16:46.10 | BadMan | ok that seemed to go well. all done and finished with no errors.. no what..... |
| 16:46.22 | BadMan | er now what |
| 16:46.23 | drini | !rcconf |
| 16:46.23 | dpkg | somebody said rcconf was a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 16:46.40 | pucko- | greycat, thanks. |
| 16:46.55 | drini | is there a list of these dpkg bot snippets? like dotfiles, bad interpeter, etc ? |
| 16:47.09 | valdyn | drini: /msg dpkg help |
| 16:47.11 | drini | thanks |
| 16:48.26 | BadMan | is it time for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? I also remembe reading someplace that I need to disable the DRI and GLCore when I do this after building the nvidia kernels? |
| 16:48.42 | greycat | drini: there are thousands. |
| 16:48.57 | drini | I see |
| 16:49.14 | greycat | they're called factoids, by the way |
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| 16:50.20 | Sontek | What is a program to write and read off of a tape drive? |
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| 16:50.39 | tub | Sontek: tar |
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| 16:51.33 | drini | should I put a small webserver on my laptop just for small static html, what should you guys reocmmend, apache? apache2? something else? |
| 16:51.54 | Maulkin | thttpd |
| 16:51.59 | Maulkin | Personally |
| 16:52.07 | thenuke | drini: might apache be a bit overkill for an small static website? |
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| 16:52.13 | greycat | drini: *not* apache2. |
| 16:52.17 | drini | yes.. so I'm open to alternatives |
| 16:52.21 | thenuke | monkey-webserver is simple, small and easy |
| 16:52.21 | stouset | drini: thttpd, dhttpd for static pages |
| 16:52.30 | stouset | drini: small, light, fast |
| 16:52.38 | asuffield | just use apache |
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| 16:52.47 | greycat | asuffield: not l33t enough. |
| 16:52.50 | asuffield | it's much easier to build a house from bricks than from cheese. even if it doesn't need to be weatherproof |
| 16:53.03 | drini | ok, reading about them... |
| 16:53.07 | greycat | but cheese is tastier. for the first 2 days, anyway. |
| 16:53.10 | smcavoy | hello, what program can I use to display the escape sequence for a key. i.e. I want to see what is sent when I press home |
| 16:53.10 | stew | mmmmm cheese |
| 16:53.21 | stew | smcavoy: xev |
| 16:53.22 | greycat | smcavoy: <CtrlV><Home> |
| 16:53.30 | Maulkin | smcavoy: cat? |
| 16:53.36 | greycat | stew: xev won't show the terminal escape sequence that it gets remapped to |
| 16:53.41 | stew | oh, no |
| 16:53.43 | drini | what I liked about apache is I don't need to be root for changing stuff, just palying on public_html |
| 16:53.44 | thenuke | asuffield: do you have any ideas about how secure thttpd is? |
| 16:53.57 | greycat | drini: then use apache. |
| 16:54.01 | asuffield | the "Oh, I'm using boa, it rocks but I can't serve any files over 100k because then it crashes" effect is entertaining but not very productive |
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| 16:54.20 | greycat | asuffield: 99k ought to be enough for anyone!! |
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| 16:54.27 | drini | hahahha assufield |
| 16:54.34 | Maulkin | thenuke: Well, we're using it in a production environment, and it seems very secure. |
| 16:54.51 | asuffield | Maulkin: that has got to be the worst assessment of security I've ever heard |
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| 16:54.58 | BadMan | ok xserverwas recongied and i did /etc/init.d/gdm start and all is well. what is good way to test the opengl dri? |
| 16:55.02 | Maulkin | asuffield: How so? |
| 16:55.06 | smcavoy | greycat: that doesn't seem to work. is there no program that will echo what is type but in escape sequences? |
| 16:55.09 | nvz | cheese isnt waterproof? |
| 16:55.11 | TNKS | hello everybody. I have reduced an aggravating problem to something that's bearable, but I was hoping someone might explain what's going on: If I unplug my hotplugged mouse and plug it in again, X doesn't recognize it's return. But if I switch to another terminal and return to X, the mouse is recognized. |
| 16:55.13 | thenuke | Maulkin: because he wants to believe so. |
| 16:55.17 | TNKS | Any explanations? |
| 16:55.20 | Maulkin | asuffield: (THose were immutable sentances by the way) |
| 16:55.22 | pipeline | TNKS: I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 16:55.38 | greycat | smcavoy: what do you ACTUALLY want to know? |
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| 16:56.16 | asuffield | Maulkin: the complete absence of anything resembling 'assessment', for starters |
| 16:56.31 | TNKS | pipeline, yeah, I'm almost feeling the same way, but I'm just curious. |
| 16:56.42 | smcavoy | greycat: some terminal programs work with home/end/insert others do not. the ones that work aren't so good as terminal emulators, the one that doesn't is much better |
| 16:57.07 | drini | BadMan: Mine would not even be recognized if I pluug it after sarting X, until someone told me to change |
| 16:57.22 | drini | the line /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice on X config file |
| 16:57.41 | simonrvn | gimme SSO dammit |
| 16:57.50 | BadMan | drini: ? |
| 16:57.50 | greycat | /dcc send simonrvn SSO |
| 16:58.12 | drini | wronf nick sorry I meant THNKS |
| 16:58.18 | drini | *sigh* I can't type today |
| 16:58.19 | BadMan | oh hehe |
| 16:58.30 | BadMan | what sould I do to test my opengl stuff? |
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| 16:58.40 | drini | glxgears ? |
| 16:58.41 | pipeline | BadMan: glxinfo | grep irect |
| 16:59.01 | pipeline | BadMan: If it says "Direct Rendering: Yes," you're good to go. |
| 16:59.03 | BadMan | the gears on test seem to move nice and smooth |
| 16:59.09 | simonrvn | email logins work, admin logins work, but GSSAPI isn't. grr |
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| 16:59.37 | pipeline | BadMan: The gears should be choppy and ugly. If they're smooth, it's probably software rendering. Check for direct rendering. |
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| 17:00.41 | BadMan | pipeline I take it doing it via ssh would not give the results i need? Error: unable to open display (null) |
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| 17:01.16 | ricky_clarkson | BadMan: ssh -X |
| 17:01.17 | pipeline | BadMan: If you're connecting remotely to the remote display, it'll tell you what you want. |
| 17:01.26 | pipeline | ricky_clarkson: That is NOT what he wants. |
| 17:01.31 | culete | sexo |
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| 17:01.40 | ricky_clarkson | He might be testing his SSH connection ;) |
| 17:01.42 | vox-2 | hello all |
| 17:01.44 | pipeline | BadMan: If you're connecting remotely to the local display (e.g. ssh -X) it'll tell you about your local display, which is not what you're interested in. |
| 17:01.45 | BadMan | im just ssh in so I guess I should try that fomr a term on the box hehe |
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| 17:01.56 | pipeline | BadMan: You can do it remotely. |
| 17:01.57 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak maybe, BadMan |
| 17:01.58 | dpkg | mouarf maybe, BadMan lol!!!111!!!!111oneone |
| 17:02.32 | pipeline | BadMan: ssh into the remote machine, start X with "X -ac &", then "export DISPLAY=:0.0" then "glxinfo | grep irect" |
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| 17:02.59 | pipeline | BadMan: the "-ac" bit disables X's security |
| 17:03.00 | BadMan | woohoo direct rendering respons YES! |
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| 17:03.23 | vox-2 | does anyone know of a good open source web-based resource monitoring/graphing rool for CPU, Memmory, Network ? |
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| 17:03.40 | asg | vox-2: cacti, rrdtool |
| 17:03.47 | pipeline | vox-2: mrtg, perhaps? |
| 17:03.48 | BadMan | well, I guess I can try the Quake3 install again,,,, |
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| 17:03.58 | pipeline | vox-2: mrtg will make graphs out of pretty much anything you can expose over ICMP stores |
| 17:04.00 | Sontek | Are there any other programs ot read a tape drive than tar? I'm trying to read a tape and it says "tar: This does not look like a tar archive, skipping to next header" |
| 17:04.09 | vox-2 | asg: cacti is a bi** to setup ive been working on it for 2 days |
| 17:04.14 | pipeline | Sontek: dump / restore ? |
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| 17:04.27 | stouset | Sontek: you already have files on the tape? |
| 17:04.32 | pipeline | vox-2: Also, surely there's some kind of 'sar' for linux |
| 17:04.32 | greycat | vox-2: a bike? |
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| 17:04.36 | panda` | what is the lightest graphic browser? |
| 17:04.36 | asg | vox-2: it isn't exactly intuitive but it does work |
| 17:04.41 | panda` | www |
| 17:04.41 | greycat | panda`: dillo, probably |
| 17:04.51 | stouset | Sontek `file -i /dev/nst0` |
| 17:04.53 | asg | pipeline: in the sysstat package |
| 17:04.54 | pipeline | panda`: dillo, certainly |
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| 17:05.01 | myren | i hope dillo supports SSL now |
| 17:05.07 | nomed^ | hi |
| 17:05.08 | pipeline | myren: It doesn't. |
| 17:05.11 | Sontek | stouset, /dev/nst0: application/x-not-regular-file |
| 17:05.13 | panda` | greycat, pipeline how much mem dillo uses? |
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| 17:05.20 | Dry-ice | anyone have problems getting apache 1.3.26 and php 4.1.2 to work togeither ? I can't find an addmodule mod_php.c line, but I was looking at a windows httpd.conf for ref. |
| 17:05.21 | greycat | panda`: find out yourself. |
| 17:05.27 | panda` | greycat, pipeline firefox costs me 200M |
| 17:05.27 | pipeline | panda`: Tons and tons. |
| 17:05.29 | stouset | Sontek: You already wrote to the tape? |
| 17:05.32 | pipeline | panda`: Not that much. |
| 17:05.36 | myren | bah. its been 'coming soon' for ages. |
| 17:05.37 | nomed^ | someone has tryed to apt the last nvidia-glx? |
| 17:05.38 | greycat | pipeline: you mean yards and yards! |
| 17:05.40 | Sontek | stouset, I thought so |
| 17:05.46 | asg | Dry-ice: read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 17:05.47 | myren | i need some lightwegiht browser to log on to my schools network |
| 17:05.50 | Sordok | join #knoppix |
| 17:05.53 | stouset | Sontek: how? |
| 17:05.56 | pipeline | greycat: I use 2M SIMMs, so I measure it by the metric ton. |
| 17:06.06 | Dry-ice | asg: will do |
| 17:06.07 | myren | of course, they dont sign their certs either, so half the browsers like elinks just refuse t oconnect |
| 17:06.23 | Sontek | stouset, I don't remember, this is an old tape backup. I just started using this server again :P (Left in my closet for a few years) |
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| 17:06.34 | pipeline | panda`: If you're really cramped on memory, use lynx. |
| 17:06.44 | pipeline | panda`: dillo is incredibly fast, but has uh, no features. |
| 17:06.55 | myren | stupid windows, why must you cache everything to disk! i've got 1.5G of ram, there's no reason you should page out every application i'm running |
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| 17:07.00 | Sordok | hi can anybody help me to install my scanner? |
| 17:07.06 | queuetue | Where is a good place to learn (online or dead-tree) about maintaining a secure server? We already follow a password policy, close down unneeded ports, prevent root from ssh, and keep packages up to date, but ... I'm always concerned that I'm not doing what I should to maintain good security. I'm not even positive I'd know if I was already compromised... |
| 17:07.07 | pipeline | myren: Install linux, problem solved. |
| 17:07.07 | greycat | pipeline: speed is a feature. |
| 17:07.08 | pipeline | Sordok: sane |
| 17:07.14 | pipeline | greycat: lynx is fairly fast |
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| 17:07.23 | asg | queuetue: install the harden-doc package |
| 17:07.27 | panda` | pipeline, dillo fonts too small :( |
| 17:07.29 | Sordok | i know |
| 17:07.40 | greycat | !whine panda` |
| 17:07.53 | pipeline | panda`: Fix your GTK theme. That's not a problem with dillo :P |
| 17:07.56 | stouset | Sontek: Give me a few minutes |
| 17:08.20 | Dry-ice | asg: yeah, I did all that |
| 17:08.29 | asg | Dry-ice: did you restart apache? |
| 17:08.37 | asg | Dry-ice: did you flush the cache on your browser? |
| 17:08.44 | panda` | pipeline, but other gtk programs' font is ok |
| 17:08.51 | Dry-ice | both restart and stop -> start |
| 17:09.02 | nomed^ | hey guys nvidia drivers (source and glx) don't exist anymore |
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| 17:09.06 | pipeline | panda`: Dillo is GTK-1 |
| 17:09.09 | greycat | nomed^: they're in contrib |
| 17:09.10 | nomed^ | do you know something? |
| 17:09.14 | pipeline | nomed^: Install them from unstable. |
| 17:09.15 | Dry-ice | asg: used links |
| 17:09.42 | myren | pardon me, but GTK-1 4 LIFE yo |
| 17:09.50 | asg | Dry-ice: does 'telnet localhost 80\nHEAD / HTTP/1.0\n\n' indicate php4 support exists? |
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| 17:10.02 | pipeline | myren: I pray for GTK-1's impending death. |
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| 17:10.03 | panda` | pipeline, how to fix gtk theme then? |
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| 17:10.58 | pipeline | panda`: I don't know and I don't particularly care, I'm afraid. I just live with it. |
| 17:11.16 | myren | pipeline: i pray for GTK-2 miraculous ability to not suck some day |
| 17:11.18 | myren | its sooooo slow |
| 17:11.37 | stouset | Sontek: More than likely, you're going to have to find out how you put that data there to begin with. Since tapes are extremely slow for random access, I don't know of anyone that actually puts a filesystem on them. What's usually the case is that a catalog is kept locally for remembering where files are, and the files on the tape are simply separated by an EOF. |
| 17:11.41 | greycat | I pray for a working, simple, secure web browser |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | the problem is that "working" bit. nobody can agree what it means. |
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| 17:12.08 | ricky_clarkson | Actually simple and secure seem a bit debatable too. |
| 17:12.12 | ricky_clarkson | As do web and browser. |
| 17:12.17 | nomed^ | greycat: i haven't |
| 17:12.23 | asuffield | greycat: well, the 'problem' is that processing html is absurdly difficult |
| 17:12.24 | ricky_clarkson | The commas inbetween are pretty stable though. |
| 17:12.33 | pipeline | myren: Hardly. Disable AA and GTK2 flies. Unless you're talking about the speed of GTK2 trees. |
| 17:12.33 | stouset | Sontek: Do a file -s /dev/nst0 |
| 17:12.44 | pipeline | myren: GTK2 trees are slow because programmers using them are too lazy to make their own views. |
| 17:12.50 | asuffield | there's no good excuse for why it's so fucking hard, it just is |
| 17:13.04 | Sontek | stouset, ok, I'll just try to write on it. Do I have to move it each time I write? Like mt -f /dev/nst0 fsf 1 or anything like that? |
| 17:13.05 | asuffield | another design disaster brought to you by MS |
| 17:13.05 | myren | i've got an 800mhz crusoe laptop. GTK1 flies, GTK2 defiantely does not. |
| 17:13.10 | drini | tried dhttp, thttpd, both are nice, but only serve from /var/www |
| 17:13.12 | pipeline | greycat: gtk-webcore is the joke. |
| 17:13.17 | Sontek | stouset, /dev/nst0: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with no line terminators |
| 17:13.20 | drini | gonna try bozohttp |
| 17:13.23 | nomed^ | graycat could you just tell me the main ftp address where i cab find them? |
| 17:13.24 | pipeline | myren: I use gnome-2 on a pentium 200 every now and then. GTK2 apps are fine. |
| 17:13.31 | Dry-ice | asg: 400 bad request |
| 17:13.40 | stouset | Sontek: Ah, great, there's just ASCII there |
| 17:13.41 | pipeline | myren: I suppose it's possible that your Crusoe 800 is substantially slower than a Pentium Pro. |
| 17:13.45 | myren | pipeline: i'll have to double check my AA settings, make sure its off |
| 17:13.46 | greycat | !find nvidia sid |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia' (12): nvidia-glx ;; nvidia-glx-dev ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-586tsc ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-686 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-686-smp ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-k6 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-k7 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-k7-smp ;; nvidia-kernel-common ;; nvidia-kernel-source ;; nvidia-settings. |
| 17:13.48 | stouset | Sontek: cat it =P |
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| 17:13.56 | SkippedySkop | hmm if a web configuration is inside a chroot jail say /chroot and /chroot/web/domain along with apache /chroot/etc/httpd etc etc. would the user be able to use files i /usr/bin ? |
| 17:14.02 | asg | Dry-ice: you did substitue '\n' by hitting the <ENTER> key (and not just pasting the whole thing right?) |
| 17:14.03 | greycat | !find nvidia sarge |
| 17:14.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia' (2): nvidia-kernel-common ;; nvidia-settings. |
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| 17:14.06 | stouset | Sontek: If you use nst0, the tape doesn't rewind automatically, so you won't have to do any fast fowarding |
| 17:14.10 | SkippedySkop | or are they literally jailed to the /chroot directory? |
| 17:14.10 | greycat | Any more questions? |
| 17:14.14 | Dry-ice | asg: yes :) |
| 17:14.21 | panda` | greycat, how to make fonts larger? gtk theme |
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| 17:14.30 | greycat | panda`: get glasses. |
| 17:14.43 | pipeline | myren: AA doesn't even make as big a speed difference as people make it out to be. On a PII-class machine, I find it hardly noticable. The biggest issue is theme engines. People insist on using horrible pixmap themes and then whine about GTK being slow. |
| 17:14.48 | asuffield | panda`: move your head closer to the object |
| 17:14.55 | tyia | panda`: switch |
| 17:15.14 | myren | pipeline: how can you know if a theme will be fast? |
| 17:15.27 | myren | i usually use stripped down themes, but i'm not sure if they're pixmap or not |
| 17:15.27 | pipeline | panda`: http://bobuk.ipost.ru/packages/dillo/ Ten seconds with google. Don't ask stupid questions. |
| 17:15.32 | tyia | panda`: I mean gtk-theme-switch |
| 17:15.43 | panda` | tyia, danke |
| 17:15.46 | stouset | pipeline: agreed; GTK works fine on my 800MHz laptop on battery (effectively 400MHz) |
| 17:15.46 | asg | Dry-ice: hmmmm, does it even return sane info if you type /buggermycrumpet.html in a browser (particularly the server id string) |
| 17:15.57 | pipeline | myren: Don't use themes that use the pixmap engine. For example, I don't believe that the gnome core distribution comes with any pixmap-engine themes. |
| 17:16.02 | Sontek | stouset, ok, And what if I want to replace the file thats already on there, will it do it automatically or should I delete if off there first? |
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| 17:16.18 | stouset | Sontek: Just write over it |
| 17:16.23 | myren | i guess my issue isnt that GTK is slow, its that GTK2 programs take forever to load. even when there's existing instances. |
| 17:16.31 | pipeline | myren: known-fast themes with dedicated theme engines include "simple," "default," and "Bluecurve" |
| 17:16.44 | queuetue | asg, I've installed harden-doc - where are the actual docs stored? |
| 17:16.48 | stouset | Sontek: Most people use various frontends to tape drives, though, depending on the task |
| 17:16.52 | nomed^ | greycat: .... when i apt nvidia-glx it says that it's impossible to find nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 |
| 17:16.58 | Sontek | stouset, have you ever heard of a program called amanda? I think thats the program I used to use. |
| 17:17.01 | nomed^ | is'n it strange? |
| 17:17.08 | valdyn | nomed^: no |
| 17:17.09 | pipeline | myren: There's at least two or three dozen theme engines out there, however, and the theme engines themselves vary in how fast they are. Writing a theme for the pixmap engine is extremely easy. Writing a theme engine is extremely difficult. |
| 17:17.14 | stouset | myren: Never heard of that happening. What's your definition of slow? |
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| 17:17.26 | Sontek | stouset, I'm just going to be backing up some php files so I can probably just setup a cron job to tar to it |
| 17:17.26 | stouset | Sontek: That's one of the most widely used backup systems, or at least it used to be |
| 17:17.32 | nomed^ | valdyn: i feel there is a bug on the dependencies ... |
| 17:17.39 | stouset | Sontek: well supported, not too tough to config |
| 17:17.43 | pipeline | myren: Ah, load time. Can't argue with that. I've been using a PIO-4 drive for my root filesystem and it, ah, sucks ass. |
| 17:17.47 | valdyn | nomed^: do you have nvidia-kernel-blah installed? |
| 17:17.48 | greycat | nomed^: so don't install nvidia-glx. |
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| 17:17.53 | asg | queuetue: dpkg -L harden-doc |
| 17:17.57 | valdyn | nomed^: if you dont, then theres no bug |
| 17:18.10 | greycat | nomed^: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant build-essential |
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| 17:18.27 | obtix | ok, i am going to have a few questions here - first off - i am building a test/honeypot server for my school and i have set everything up already (for the most part) there will be a frontend apache site giving away information including log viewing, i have created a symlink in the /var/www/ dir to /var/log/ so when i goto http://site/log/honeypot/honeyd.log i can see that log, however when i try doing the same with the snort log it says i can not access it i would |
| 17:18.27 | obtix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.33 | myren | does debian use shared libraries or static linking for GTK2? |
| 17:18.40 | nomed^ | greycat: i've nvida driver since the first installation |
| 17:18.41 | greycat | myren: are you fucking serious? |
| 17:18.52 | greycat | nomed^: oh, then you don't need our help. good day. |
| 17:18.56 | stouset | obtix: man chown |
| 17:18.57 | myren | greycat: it just seems like no matter how many times i load a program in a row, its always slow as balls |
| 17:19.09 | stouset | obtix: man usermod |
| 17:19.16 | myren | i guess that'd mean each program would take like 800 megs though |
| 17:19.20 | greycat | myren: which has... what to do with dynamic vs. static libraries? |
| 17:19.22 | Sontek | stouset, ok. And does it work like a normal hdd so if I have 3 files foo.php bar.php and foobar.php on the tape. and I rewind it and then write a new foobar.php to it. Will it overwrite foo.php since that is the first file on the tape? |
| 17:19.27 | Dry-ice | asg: not found ... apache/1.3.26 server at 127.0.0.1 port 80 |
| 17:19.38 | nomed^ | greycat: i'm just asking if it's normal that this is happening |
| 17:19.41 | stouset | sontek: Not entirely. Remember that the tape isn't designed for random access. |
| 17:19.44 | asg | Dry-ice: then php4 isn't installed. Did you also install libapache-mod-php4? |
| 17:19.45 | asuffield | myren: yes, running gtk2 unshared would be impressively slow |
| 17:19.53 | greycat | nomed^: tell me which part of our FAQ is incomplete or incorrect and I'll fix it. |
| 17:19.59 | obtix | stouset: that would work, however when the log cycles using logrotate and the new log is created it goes back to the snort/adm usr/group HEH |
| 17:20.04 | myren | asuffield: yes, that is what i am implying |
| 17:20.07 | myren | trying to say |
| 17:20.14 | Sontek | stouset, Well I don't want to do it randomly but I want to beable to keep backing up the same files over and over :P |
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| 17:20.23 | stouset | Sontek: If you write three 100 byte files, rewind, and write a 150 byte file, then trying to read from the tape again will give you 1 150 byte file, 1 50 byte file, and 1 100 byte file |
| 17:20.32 | asuffield | Debian uses shared libraries for *everything* where it's possible |
| 17:20.32 | stouset | Sontek: which is probably not what you want |
| 17:20.42 | myren | its just odd that a program will have to laod all these shared libraries for the first time, then when i restart it takes just as long to load |
| 17:20.45 | BadMan | arg I should just stinking give up on playing Q3 on debian |
| 17:20.57 | stouset | myren: specs on your machine? |
| 17:20.59 | queuetue | asg, Thanks. (dpkg -l may be the most useful thing I get from this. :) ) |
| 17:21.01 | asuffield | myren: loading libraries should never take an appreciable amount of time |
| 17:21.06 | pipeline | BadMan: What's the problem now? |
| 17:21.13 | simonrvn | queuetue: -L. difference |
| 17:21.19 | asg | queuetue: you're welcome (and it was -L) |
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| 17:21.34 | panda` | i want to enlarge fonts, not thange gtk theme |
| 17:21.39 | stouset | obtix: man logrotate and look for "postrotate script" |
| 17:21.45 | panda` | i don't care theme, i only want larger fonts |
| 17:21.47 | nomed^ | greycat: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:21.49 | Sontek | stouset, so I should probably just write to it with folders with dates or something? :P |
| 17:21.50 | stouset | obtix: run the chmod after rotation |
| 17:22.01 | Sontek | stouset, is there a way to erase the whole tape drive? |
| 17:22.03 | stouset | obtix: or, alternatively, add the apache user into the adm group |
| 17:22.09 | pipeline | panda`: And I sent you a relevant link. Clearly you didn't read it. |
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| 17:22.15 | Roldyx1 | mount("/dev/loop0", "/peli", "iso9660", MS_POSIXACL|MS_ACTIVE|MS_NOUSER|0xec0000, 0x805cd80) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 17:22.15 | BadMan | well following the mepis guids I start the quake3 shell (to enter cd key) and it acts as if its going I see mouse enlarge like to a640x480 res and then can ove "virtual" desktop of 1024x768 witha blacked screen in top.. thats it... |
| 17:22.17 | stouset | Sontek: mt can do that, IIRC |
| 17:22.21 | Sontek | stouset, or list the last part of the tape that was written on so I can fastforward |
| 17:22.21 | nomed^ | it gives an error ---nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 |
| 17:22.32 | greycat | nomed^: that's not in our FAQ, as far as I know. |
| 17:22.37 | greycat | nomed^: which URL are you actually reading? |
| 17:22.40 | obtix | stouset: the adding the apache user into the adm group sounds easier, if that works |
| 17:22.51 | Roldyx1 | i cant mount an image .iso |
| 17:23.00 | greycat | Roldyx1: mkdir /peli |
| 17:23.10 | stouset | Sontek: hence why most people use a frontend :-) Tapes are typically large, so just store several weeks/months of backups onto one, or rotate them and recycle when full |
| 17:23.21 | nomed^ | greycat: i'm not reading any URL .... |
| 17:23.23 | pipeline | BadMan: Mepis isn't debian. |
| 17:23.26 | stouset | Sontek: the backup utility will manage writing to them and fetching from them, and provide you an easy to use frontend |
| 17:23.30 | greycat | nomed^: angels are whispering it into your ear? |
| 17:23.43 | pipeline | BadMan: Also, I've never had any problems with Q3 on linux. |
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| 17:23.51 | pipeline | BadMan: Do you have the CD in the drive? :P |
| 17:23.55 | Roldyx1 | greycat, cd /peli |
| 17:23.56 | Roldyx1 | nuevita:/peli# |
| 17:23.57 | BadMan | pepeline yes |
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| 17:24.02 | BadMan | and mounted. |
| 17:24.05 | stouset | obtix: they're both about equally easy. There may, however, be additional security implications for putting the apache user in the adm group. |
| 17:24.13 | greycat | Roldyx1: cd /; mount -o loop /path/to/myfile.iso /peli |
| 17:24.14 | BadMan | maybe my user isnt in cdrom group by default? |
| 17:24.21 | greycat | BadMan: grep cdrom /etc/group |
| 17:24.26 | stouset | obtix: Always be wary of putting daemon users into system groups, or adding privileges to them |
| 17:24.40 | greycat | stouset: as if daemons read /etc/group. |
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| 17:25.01 | nomed^ | greycat: i know exists nv module i know ~andrex/Debian-nvidia ... if you don't want to ansfer ... ok |
| 17:25.14 | stouset | stouset: They don't need to. Their permissions are based upon standard unix permission structures. |
| 17:25.23 | valdyn | nomed^: what kernel? |
| 17:25.24 | nomed^ | i just feel there is a kind of bug on dependencies .... |
| 17:25.28 | BadMan | greycat: cdrom:x:24:bill,hal |
| 17:25.29 | stouset | stouset: If the apache daemon is running as user apache, it has the permissions of all groups it's in |
| 17:25.29 | nomed^ | 2.6.11.2 |
| 17:25.32 | greycat | nomed^: I just feel you're a flaming idiot. |
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| 17:25.45 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:25.46 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 17:25.56 | greycat | stouset: wrong. |
| 17:25.58 | valdyn | nomed^: ^^^ |
| 17:26.12 | pipeline | BadMan: You know |
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| 17:26.18 | Roldyx1 | mount -t iso9660 -o loop /windows/peliculas/Constantine/sp-c.iso /peli |
| 17:26.18 | Roldyx1 | mount: Not a directory |
| 17:26.26 | Roldyx1 | greycat, |
| 17:26.29 | pipeline | BadMan: I would try just downloading a point release, extracting it, adding the windows data files, and starting it normally. |
| 17:26.35 | simonrvn | Roldyx1: man mount |
| 17:26.37 | nomed^ | valdyn: did it change since the 2.6.10 |
| 17:26.40 | greycat | Roldyx1: does it work if you copy the .iso file OFF of the vfat/ntfs directory, ONTO a unix file system? |
| 17:26.41 | valdyn | nomed^: however, nvidia cant keep up with 2.6.x kernel changes, so you *may* want to read stuff on www.nvnews.net at some point |
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| 17:26.51 | BadMan | thats what the mepis guide dude is doing.. I have the point release |
| 17:26.52 | valdyn | nomed^: no |
| 17:26.55 | nomed^ | becouse i'm using vanilla kernel |
| 17:27.00 | lypie | re |
| 17:27.01 | valdyn | nomed^: what changed? |
| 17:27.13 | nomed^ | why headers if i've source |
| 17:27.23 | greycat | *PLONK* (nomed) |
| 17:27.25 | Roldyx1 | greycat, wait |
| 17:27.30 | simonrvn | gawds |
| 17:27.36 | greycat | can't take any more of his shit today. |
| 17:27.44 | valdyn | nomed^: that one liner is supposed to work for anyone, so it doesnt assume that you have source installed |
| 17:27.52 | Dry-ice | asg: I don't know, and I don't have an option for it in dselect |
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| 17:28.02 | greycat | kernel sources would only be required if you were planning to COMPILE A KERNEL from them. |
| 17:28.03 | valdyn | nomed^: if you can compile your own kernel you should be able to skip the parts irrelevant to you ) |
| 17:28.07 | nomed^ | ok guys i feel i'll solve it by my self |
| 17:28.09 | nomed^ | bye |
| 17:28.10 | greycat | if you aren't, they're solely reference material. |
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| 17:28.13 | asg | Dry-ice: do 'apt-get install libapache-mod-php4' (at a console / terminal) |
| 17:28.37 | Dry-ice | asg: no package by that name |
| 17:28.39 | BadMan | linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run and its installed I copied pako.pak to the baseq3 in my home directory and run the shell to enter cd key and it changes vid mode like its going to run... but just hangs there.. where I an move my mouse off screen and move intoa virual desktop and see my desktop under it |
| 17:28.49 | greycat | asg: isn't it just "php4"? |
| 17:28.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Doesn't the stupid nvidia kernel module need kernel sources around? |
| 17:28.58 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: module-assistant works around that |
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| 17:29.08 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: only headers |
| 17:29.17 | justin | BadMan: stop esd/arts/whatever |
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| 17:29.22 | Roldyx1 | greycat, the image size is 2.5gb |
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| 17:29.37 | asg | greycat: yeah, forgot he was on woody |
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| 17:29.41 | asg | Dry-ice: sorry, disregard that |
| 17:29.45 | greycat | Roldyx1: well, that's my best guess. if you want another guess, try google. |
| 17:29.46 | Roldyx1 | greycat, i am moving it |
| 17:29.48 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: no it doesnt |
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| 17:29.54 | JosephSpiros | could someone please define "scc" for me? |
| 17:30.00 | greycat | !scc |
| 17:30.05 | greycat | nope, guess not. |
| 17:30.12 | JosephSpiros | greycat: tried that :) |
| 17:30.14 | EdibleText | !dict scc |
| 17:30.20 | asg | JosephSpiros: in reference to scc.debian.org? |
| 17:30.23 | greycat | google.com/search?q=scc |
| 17:30.24 | JosephSpiros | asg: yes sir |
| 17:30.31 | JosephSpiros | I'm reading some debian-devel messages |
| 17:30.40 | JosephSpiros | but I'm not a debian developer so I'm not sure what they mean |
| 17:30.47 | Dry-ice | asg: that's good, I thought I mite have broke apt :) |
| 17:30.53 | JosephSpiros | though I'm a developer so I usually understand most things :) |
| 17:30.58 | asg | Dry-ice: no, it was me that was at fault. |
| 17:31.00 | simonrvn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/threads.html |
| 17:31.11 | jelly | JosephSpiros: second class citizen? |
| 17:31.14 | asg | Dry-ice: are you sure you have the LoadModule line uncommented? |
| 17:31.55 | jelly | JosephSpiros: used in context of the thread http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=hr&lr=&threadm=3HSlj-3k7-3%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522from%2Bthe%2BVancouver%2Brelease%2Bteam%2Bmeeting%2522%26hl%3Dhr%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg |
| 17:32.25 | JosephSpiros | jelly: ah, thank you |
| 17:32.38 | JosephSpiros | that kinda represents why I don't seem to agree with the proponents of using it for things |
| 17:32.42 | JosephSpiros | so it makes sense |
| 17:32.43 | JosephSpiros | :) |
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| 17:33.16 | okashira | is there a way to view a text file from inside a .tar file without extracting it first? |
| 17:33.20 | JosephSpiros | I didn't realize debian-devel was mirrored on usenet |
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| 17:33.34 | r0sk | any one has installed dbdesigner on debian |
| 17:33.35 | r0sk | ? |
| 17:33.39 | stouset | Is it healthy for me to "aptitude update" every few minutes? I think I'm forming an addiction... |
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| 17:33.55 | Dry-ice | asg: I installed a perl module while I was looking for the php4 one... so, it was commented |
| 17:33.56 | greycat | stouset: no |
| 17:33.58 | asg | stouset: this isn't slashdot |
| 17:34.00 | stouset | I might need to repent and go back to Woody. Unstable has weakened me :-( |
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| 17:34.12 | JosephSpiros | stouset: testing is nice :-) |
| 17:34.13 | asg | Dry-ice: ah, and uncommenting it fixed things? |
| 17:34.14 | jelly | stouset: put it in cron and get a life? |
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| 17:34.50 | Dry-ice | asg: nope :/ I'm checking the addtype |
| 17:34.56 | stouset | jelly: but then I would have to wait a full minute between updates |
| 17:35.08 | stouset | jelly: clearly unacceptable |
| 17:35.12 | asg | Dry-ice: okay |
| 17:35.25 | Dry-ice | asg: that's uncommented |
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| 17:35.36 | drasko | what is exact differnce between issuing a /etc/init.d/apache start (or stop) and apachectl start (or stop) command? |
| 17:36.01 | idnar | drasko: very little |
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| 17:36.16 | BadMan | holy cow |
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| 17:36.33 | stouset | drasko: cat /etc/init.d/apache |
| 17:36.39 | BadMan | ran apt-get update then upgrade needs 263mb of archives hehe |
| 17:36.52 | BadMan | guess that will be running while Im at work lol |
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| 17:37.11 | stouset | BadMan: If you do it every fifteen seconds like me, you won't ever have to get more than 1M at a time! |
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| 17:37.53 | BadMan | stouset this is just after a kernel upgrade.. hehe |
| 17:37.57 | jelly | !slap stouset |
| 17:38.33 | stouset | !riposte |
| 17:38.49 | stouset | Rats. |
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| 17:38.55 | BadMan | how do I remove excess kernels from my system? |
| 17:39.29 | drasko | stouset, what is supposed to be shoul_start command there? |
| 17:39.30 | jim | uninstall the packages of them |
| 17:39.35 | ricky_clarkson | BadMan: apt-get remove kernel-image.. |
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| 17:39.49 | BadMan | ok, now I jsut gotta figure out which ones to remove hehe |
| 17:39.58 | jelly | drasko: it's a function, defined a few lines above. |
| 17:39.58 | drasko | stouset, oh.. just saw it.. |
| 17:40.03 | panda` | pipeline, will dillo move to gtk2? |
| 17:40.09 | panda` | dpkg dillo |
| 17:40.09 | dpkg | i heard dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 17:40.48 | Sontek | stouset, do you know of a good frontend or should I just go back to using amanda? |
| 17:41.11 | stouset | Sontek: bacula works for me |
| 17:41.14 | Dry-ice | asg: nope :/ |
| 17:41.15 | stouset | Sontek: easy to config |
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| 17:41.51 | jelly | Sontek: hey, did amanda get any support for appending to tapes yet? |
| 17:42.21 | Sontek | jelly, I'm not sure, I just started working with tapes again, I haven't used amanda in atleast 2 years |
| 17:42.22 | stouset | jelly: No, they're 100% opposed to it by policy |
| 17:42.43 | Dry-ice | asg: should I goto apache and php's site and download the lastest stable versions source and start from scratch ? |
| 17:42.51 | stouset | jelly: The rationale is that value($tape) < value($data), and storing multiple backups on one tape is asking for danger. |
| 17:43.15 | BadMan | Question: after apt-get remove of the extraneous kernels doing updategrub should redo the grub with out their (Recovery Mode) kernels as well? |
| 17:43.34 | stouset | jelly: of course, this is a lousy policy for anyone doing nightly backups at a colo, but that's their take |
| 17:43.39 | BadMan | of course update-grub |
| 17:43.42 | treestone | As I understand it, the problem with that rationale is that if an amanda backup set is too big for one tape you lose. |
| 17:43.49 | stouset | BadMan: update-grub is automagically run by dpkg anyways |
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| 17:43.51 | jelly | stouset: That's what duplicate copies are for. Now having ~10GB lying on a 100GB LTO1 is just stupid. |
| 17:43.54 | drasko | stouset, I dont uderstand the concrete difference.. |
| 17:43.56 | BadMan | ok |
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| 17:44.15 | drasko | dpkg dillo |
| 17:44.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. http://dillo.sourceforge.net/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png, or damned fast, but no frames |
| 17:44.20 | stouset | jelly: I agree. It should be up to you to make the decision, not Amanda. But that's the way these things go. |
| 17:44.23 | BadMan | does that remove all traces of those 2 kernels? |
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| 17:44.53 | jim | BadMan: not if you don't purge also |
| 17:44.59 | stouset | drasko: the concrete difference is exactly the difference between "apachectl stop" and "/etc/init.d/apache stop" =P |
| 17:45.09 | stouset | BadMan: If you purge, yes |
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| 17:45.45 | jelly | drasko: just run sh -x /etc/init.d/whatever and see for yourself. |
| 17:45.50 | fridge | hi, how do I configure what x-terminal-emulator points to by default? |
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| 17:46.00 | greycat | fridge: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 17:46.04 | fridge | thanks |
| 17:46.06 | stouset | !alternatives fridge |
| 17:46.12 | stouset | Damn, that doesn't work either. |
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| 17:46.31 | stouset | Damn you, dpkg. |
| 17:46.39 | greycat | dpkg, uac $1 is <reply> update-alternatives --config $1 |
| 17:46.42 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:46.48 | BadMan | ok this dang apple talk is wearing thin on my nerves! |
| 17:47.38 | jelly | dpkg tell stouset about tell |
| 17:47.57 | ricky_clarkson | An apple a day keeps windows away. |
| 17:48.32 | BadMan | can i reconfigure inetd with dpkg-reconfigure inetd? |
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| 17:49.11 | stouset | BadMan: not really, use update-inetd |
| 17:49.12 | greycat | you can try. |
| 17:49.13 | drasko | jelly, I did both commands severel times and they seem to do the same thing -- when to use which? |
| 17:49.32 | asg | Dry-ice: I wouldn't, no. This is a straight woody system right? no sarge or sid packages? |
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| 17:49.47 | greycat | oh wait... there's the "shall I turn off daytime, rpcgen, etc." thing. |
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| 17:49.54 | jelly | drasko: as we might say in a common language, isti kurac. ;-) |
| 17:49.59 | BadMan | greaycat thats why Im asking I wnt to get rid of AppleTalk in inetd |
| 17:50.03 | stouset | drasko: I would recommend using /etc/init.d/apache for those types of things |
| 17:50.10 | greycat | BadMan: editor /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:50.33 | Dry-ice | asg: streight woody |
| 17:50.45 | stouset | drasko: that's standard operating procedure for the actual startup and shutdown, and the package maintainer went through the extra effort of writing an init script rather than just relying on apachectrl, so there's more than likely a reason. Probably to do with cleaning things up. |
| 17:51.07 | stouset | drasko: Of course, this is all assumptions, since I'm not at an apache box right now. But it's a safe bet. |
| 17:51.11 | asg | Dry-ice: and hitting a .php page just returns it's source or has you download it? |
| 17:51.44 | Dry-ice | asg: yeap |
| 17:51.51 | jelly | drasko: for apache, apachectl is slightly shorter to type, and I'm not sure if the init script handles "apachectl configtest". But generally, use init scripts. |
| 17:51.56 | BadMan | dont see anything in the inetd.conf about appletalk... |
| 17:52.16 | asg | Dry-ice: well, I've setup hundreds of woody boxes and never had a single problem; just followed the README. |
| 17:52.21 | BadMan | but yet during boot it hangs on that until it configures it right after eth0 inits |
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| 17:52.31 | jim | BadMan: maybe appletalk is handled outside of initd |
| 17:52.32 | asg | Dry-ice: I really don't know what the problem could be |
| 17:52.38 | jim | if at all |
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| 17:53.13 | stouset | BadMan: it hangs on what? inetd or appletalk? |
| 17:53.22 | BadMan | stouset on appletalk |
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| 17:53.30 | Dry-ice | hmmm |
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| 17:53.50 | stouset | BadMan: dpkg -l | grep netatalk |
| 17:53.54 | Dry-ice | asg: should I try php3 ? |
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| 17:54.27 | asg | Dry-ice: no, php4 should work out if the box (after following the README). I've never seen it do otherwise. |
| 17:54.31 | BadMan | stouset: ii netatalk 1.6.4a-1 AppleTalk user binaries |
| 17:54.39 | BadMan | guess I jsut apt-get remove it |
| 17:54.40 | stouset | BadMan: dpkg --purge netatalk |
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| 17:54.49 | BadMan | ok |
| 17:54.49 | asg | Dry-ice: you might try removing whatever perl stuff you added just as a test. |
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| 17:55.33 | vivek | does n e one use debian progeny? |
| 17:55.33 | asg | vivek: #progeny might |
| 17:55.33 | drasko | jelly, as we miht sy in a commond language: hvala, brate! |
| 17:55.33 | korkman | appletalk can be set to go to background on startup |
| 17:55.34 | asg | or not |
| 17:55.34 | Dry-ice | asg: oh, I added that while talking to you |
| 17:55.42 | asg | hmmm |
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| 17:55.57 | vivek | i want to know how do i add the list of servers from where i can apt-get stuff.. |
| 17:56.01 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: apt-setup |
| 17:56.07 | BadMan | I dont have macs(Im guessing thats what that is for) |
| 17:56.22 | korkman | BadMan: Then remove it |
| 17:56.25 | jcoiron | hello, I downloaded the first CD from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/rc2/i386/, installed it with all default options, (just pressed [ENTER] at the boot prompt), and added the CD in the sources list during base-config, and have "Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ official snapshot ...... unstable main contrib" in sources.list . |
| 17:56.25 | GieltjE | If I get Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() what package do I need to install/configure (Mysql is running and working) |
| 17:56.32 | jim | vivek: progeny stopped distributing linux, now they use debian and build whatever on that |
| 17:56.32 | jcoiron | But I don't want to install sid ! (it's the fifth CDs set I try, I _always_ have :/ ) . could someone give me a hint ? |
| 17:56.38 | asg | GieltjE: php4-mysql |
| 17:56.41 | xerophyte | what is the best filesystem to load balance the data between multible servers ? |
| 17:56.45 | sussudio | !best |
| 17:56.45 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:56.47 | pipeline | jim: Heh, progeny recently started distributing again. |
| 17:56.48 | vivek | apt-setup gives command not found :( |
| 17:56.49 | GieltjE | asg: have that |
| 17:56.51 | drasko | stouset, jelly: Thank you very much! |
| 17:56.55 | pipeline | xerophyte: CXFS, not to be confused with XFS. |
| 17:56.55 | GieltjE | asg: and is working |
| 17:56.56 | jim | oh they did? |
| 17:57.00 | jim | howcome? |
| 17:57.13 | asg | GieltjE: no, otherwise you wouldn't get undefined function: |
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| 17:57.21 | ricky_clarkson | jcoiron: debian-boot@lists.debian.org |
| 17:57.29 | GieltjE | asg: would apache+php+mysql work without it? |
| 17:57.29 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to remove the configuration for "apt-get dselect-upgrade"? |
| 17:57.31 | asg | GieltjE: check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and make sure 'extension=mysql.so' is uncommented (should be near the bottom) |
| 17:57.37 | korkman | vivek: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:57.46 | GieltjE | asg: I have a mysql based forum running........ |
| 17:57.53 | vivek | ok...but wut should i add or delete? |
| 17:57.55 | jim | xinming: what do you mean |
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| 17:58.14 | lilalinux | Acrobat Reader 7 for Linux Available! HipHip Hooray! |
| 17:58.26 | asg | GieltjE: which debian? |
| 17:58.29 | ikaro | now wait 4 years. |
| 17:58.33 | GieltjE | asg: unstable |
| 17:58.36 | BadMan | well, thank you all for your help, beginning upgrade process on 263MB and taking it easy for the rest of the day... |
| 17:58.38 | BadMan | l8r |
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| 17:58.52 | xinming | jim: You know, If you ever used "cat dpkg_list | dpkg --set-selections" and then, you will get the same softwares installed as listed in dpkg_list. |
| 17:58.53 | asg | GieltjE: it should be there. You can check the bts and see if something broke. |
| 17:58.57 | korkman | GieltjE, you can install apache, php and mysql and still leave out php-mysql which is necessary for php to access mysql |
| 17:58.57 | xerophyte | pipeline, you mean cifs or |
| 17:59.04 | xinming | jim: But Now, I don't want some software in dpkg_list |
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| 17:59.25 | vivek | wut to do in the etc/apt/sources.lst??? |
| 17:59.26 | xinming | jim: And I tried to "cat dpkg_list | dpkg --set-selections" again. But not works |
| 17:59.29 | jim | xinming: upgrade then remove... or remove then upgrade |
| 17:59.32 | pipeline | xerophyte: No, I meant what I said. |
| 17:59.36 | asg | korkman: he said he already has a working app |
| 17:59.54 | xinming | jim: ??? Is there way to edit the config file to avoid this? :-S |
| 18:00.16 | vivek | ?? |
| 18:00.43 | greycat | xinming: edit dpkg_list, change "install" to "deinstall", repeat. |
| 18:00.48 | jim | evidently it might not work to do so |
| 18:00.49 | xerophyte | pipeline, is this better then coda or nfs ? |
| 18:01.04 | greycat | xinming: next time, remove the lines you don't want BEFORE you pass it to dpkg --set-selections, duh. |
| 18:01.06 | korkman | asg, I guess he meant "I have a mysql based forum *that should be* running........ |
| 18:01.13 | xinming | greycat: thanks. |
| 18:01.22 | vivek | does ne one know how can i view a web cam in debian/suse linux? |
| 18:01.43 | asg | korkman: maybe. |
| 18:01.45 | jim | korkman: you know that mysql isn't very good for multiuser applications, right? |
| 18:01.46 | stouset | greycat: there's got to be a way to fix it once it's already borked, though |
| 18:02.01 | stouset | vivek: gnomeeting |
| 18:02.03 | brosio | anyone have try reiser4 fs on debian? |
| 18:02.15 | korkman | jim: Why, transactions? |
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| 18:02.22 | vivek | stouset:kool..does it support yahoo? |
| 18:02.36 | jim | korkman: yes, and the rest of the ACID compliance too |
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| 18:02.50 | asg | !start a db war |
| 18:02.50 | dpkg | MySQL is better than Sybase |
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| 18:03.05 | stouset | Holy crap, Sybase is way better than MySQL. |
| 18:03.15 | Sjimmie | fireblade > * |
| 18:03.19 | korkman | jim: I always wanted to test posgresql in production. Next time I start something I'll do it with pgsql |
| 18:03.22 | stouset | vivek: I don't believe so. If you want to use webcams in IM conversations, google for "gaim-vv deb" |
| 18:03.24 | ricky_clarkson | !start a world war |
| 18:03.24 | dpkg | Muslims rule! |
| 18:03.25 | pipeline | xerophyte: NFS would be the opposite of a load-balancing system. |
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| 18:03.32 | Sjimmie | lol dpkg |
| 18:03.33 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 18:03.39 | korkman | !start another world war |
| 18:03.40 | jim | !start a barbie war |
| 18:03.41 | dpkg | guns are hard! |
| 18:03.42 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak Sjimmie |
| 18:03.43 | dpkg | lol Sjimmie mouarf!!!111!!!!111oneone |
| 18:03.52 | vivek | stouset: kool.. |
| 18:03.56 | Sjimmie | !stfu |
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| 18:03.56 | dpkg | somebody said stfu was Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 18:04.01 | Sjimmie | =) |
| 18:04.08 | Sjimmie | !l33t |
| 18:04.08 | dpkg | [l33t] emmett, or core, or jeramy. Ben Herrenschmidt, or lordknow1 or Nero. Pi, or a categorization reserved for lame script kiddies, or apt, or definitely another way to say luser |
| 18:04.10 | stouset | vivek: gaim-vv is a friendly fork of gaim to work on voice and video support. There are debs out there. |
| 18:04.24 | stouset | vivek: in fact: |
| 18:04.25 | stouset | # gaim-vv |
| 18:04.25 | stouset | # deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main |
| 18:04.41 | Sjimmie | really stouset ? can you use webcam with msn then? |
| 18:04.46 | stouset | Unfortunately, it's usually several version behind gaim. Use at your own risk. |
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| 18:04.57 | vivek | i will just ry it ... |
| 18:04.57 | humbolt | the original debian httpd.conf holds an alias entry Alias /images/ /usr/share/images/ which I guess is used together with Alias /icons/ /usr/share/apache/icons/ when apache is showing a directory listing. Since this screws up every virtuall host user using a image dir named images, I want to move it to a virtual host or remove it. In order to not screw up my virtual hosts, should I remove most of these entries anyway? |
| 18:05.02 | stouset | Sjimmie: I've done it with Yahoo, but I'm almost certain it supports MSN as well. |
| 18:05.10 | Sjimmie | cool! |
| 18:05.13 | Dry-ice | asg: I'm going to get apache 2 and php5... I mite be able to make them work; I can't do anything with binaries |
| 18:05.16 | humbolt | like cgi-bin alias, ... |
| 18:05.25 | stouset | Sjimmie: I hope they merge it with gaim trunk eventually. |
| 18:05.35 | Sjimmie | because there is nothing for amsn at the moment :( |
| 18:05.38 | Sjimmie | lets try gaim then! |
| 18:06.06 | cIclops | can local mounted VFAT partitions be exported across a LAN? |
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| 18:06.30 | vivek | stouset:wut is : deb http://people.debian.org/~smimram/debian unstable main? |
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| 18:06.38 | Roldyx1 | greycat, mount -t iso9660 -o loop /discod/sp-c.iso /peli/ |
| 18:06.39 | Roldyx1 | mount: No es un directorio |
| 18:06.51 | Roldyx1 | greycat, :( |
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| 18:07.05 | stouset | vivek: apt source. Put that in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt-get update; apt-get install gaim-vv" |
| 18:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | Roldyx1: ls -ld /peli |
| 18:07.19 | vivek | kool.... |
| 18:07.23 | stouset | vivek: You'll need to enable the codecs as plugins on the preferences page, but then webcam support will work |
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| 18:07.50 | shakparl | huge syslog server - commercial products, syslogng, what do sysadmins use in medium to large scaleenv |
| 18:07.55 | korkman | cIclops, I guess yes, why not share your USB stick with others? |
| 18:07.57 | Roldyx1 | nuevita:/# ls -ld /peli |
| 18:07.58 | Roldyx1 | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 48 2005-03-13 23:01 /peli |
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| 18:08.11 | Glergo | www.under-forum.tk seeks new members!! |
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| 18:08.14 | stouset | shakparl: syslog-ng |
| 18:08.17 | Roldyx1 | ricky_clarkson, |
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| 18:08.30 | ricky_clarkson | Roldyx1, |
| 18:08.30 | shakparl | stouset: thx! |
| 18:08.34 | stouset | Glergo: I hear that under-forum.tk is totally where it's at. I would go there for all my new members needs. |
| 18:08.45 | vivek | stouset:gr8 help... |
| 18:08.50 | cIclops | korkman: i want to share everything ... so if i export / will all mounted devices be shared? |
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| 18:09.19 | vivek | stouset:it sez that there are some dependencies failure... |
| 18:09.25 | stouset | clclops: Try it =P |
| 18:09.30 | korkman | cIclops, there's a flag to share across filesystem boundaries, see man smb.conf |
| 18:09.43 | stouset | vivek: paste it in #flood |
| 18:09.47 | vivek | stouset: eg:abiword: Depends: abiword-common (>= 0.99.2+cvs.2002.02.21) but it is not installable |
| 18:10.07 | Sjimmie | i just installed it :) and it works :D |
| 18:10.10 | vivek | #flood???? |
| 18:10.15 | stouset | vivek: that's a problem in abiword, not gaim-vv |
| 18:10.22 | stouset | vivek: put abiword on hold |
| 18:10.23 | cIclops | korkman: so i need samba installed? |
| 18:10.29 | Sjimmie | oh no, it doesnt work =/ shite |
| 18:10.34 | Bad-bloc_RJ | quit |
| 18:10.37 | stouset | Sjimmie: You doubted me? |
| 18:10.38 | vivek | ok....n how to i put abiword on hold? |
| 18:10.41 | stouset | Sjmimie: Uh, never mind. |
| 18:10.47 | Sjimmie | no stouset, i just have install probs :) |
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| 18:11.39 | drini | when Roldyx1 does mount -v, it says something about /dev/loop0 not going to be used |
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| 18:11.53 | vivek | stouset:i mean wt exctly do i do now? |
| 18:12.00 | korkman | cIclops, sorry, of course not :) "export" -> nfs got it. Still there might be a flag to share filesystem boundaries, see man exports :) |
| 18:12.09 | stouset | vivek: echo "abiword hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 18:12.47 | Roldyx1 | drini, no |
| 18:13.02 | humbolt | anybody willing to review my file on contronix.humbolt.dyndns.org and tell me, why the hell the #roottable extends the TD boundries? |
| 18:13.12 | drini | ah sorry I misread |
| 18:13.17 | drini | it says it WILL be going to be used |
| 18:13.17 | vivek | it sez no space left on device.. |
| 18:13.35 | vivek | stouset:wut do i need to remove.. i mean from which dir? |
| 18:14.12 | stouset | vivek: if your hard drive is full, not much I can do to help you there |
| 18:14.16 | stew | vivek: use df to figure out which partition is full and free some space on it |
| 18:14.33 | vivek | stouset:ok.... |
| 18:14.38 | vivek | stew:ok.... |
| 18:14.44 | pipeline | vivek: first, install gtypist. Worry about free space afterwards. |
| 18:14.54 | charzero | Anybody konw of an XML Editor that can collapse tags, and supports vi keybindings? |
| 18:15.17 | Pakal | hi! the PowerPC packages are compiled for 64 BIts processors? |
| 18:15.18 | Zambba | Is the X driver for ati that's supplied with sarge up to date? |
| 18:15.18 | obtix | i need to run two scripts i wrote at system boot (before a login) how would i do that? |
| 18:15.21 | ricky_clarkson | charzero: #xml |
| 18:15.23 | vivek | ok... |
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| 18:15.30 | vivek | pipeline:ty |
| 18:15.30 | Zambba | I'd like to have more 2D performance in X |
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| 18:15.37 | stew | obtix: read /etc/init.d/README ; man update-rc.d |
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| 18:15.40 | asg | obtix: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 18:15.44 | Zambba | Do I have to get new video card? |
| 18:15.46 | pipeline | Zambba: Yes. Debian XF86 is patched to have drivers from x.org. |
| 18:15.53 | Zambba | okay :( |
| 18:15.55 | korkman | cIclops, the manpage says (I was curious) that nfs will share the filesystems in the subtree, but clients will have to mount the directory explicitly |
| 18:16.14 | vivek | i think the prob is that i am using progeny.... so many of the packages r nt there.. |
| 18:16.26 | vivek | example:Package gtypist is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:16.26 | vivek | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:16.35 | asg | vivek: then install debian |
| 18:16.35 | cIclops | korkman: i'll see what happens :) |
| 18:16.38 | ricky_clarkson | What's progeny? |
| 18:16.40 | stew | vivek: we can't help you in here if you arent running debian |
| 18:16.41 | ricky_clarkson | !progeny |
| 18:16.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer |
| 18:16.55 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting progeny |
| 18:16.55 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support progeny too. Try #progeny or donating money to charity. |
| 18:17.01 | asg | ricky_clarkson: what Ian Murdock did after Debian |
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| 18:17.04 | vivek | ok... i will surely do that... |
| 18:17.13 | vivek | bu then what exactly is progeny???? |
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| 18:17.24 | ricky_clarkson | progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in |
| 18:17.25 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: No entienda? |
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| 18:17.46 | pipeline | vivek: Progeny is a redhat support company that used to make a linux distribution. |
| 18:17.50 | LSorense | ricky_clarkson: I thouht they offered support contracts too |
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| 18:17.52 | pipeline | vivek: They were like a dotcom version of Canonical |
| 18:17.53 | vivek | ricky_clarkson:meaning? |
| 18:18.05 | vivek | pipeline:ok... |
| 18:18.13 | Dry-ice | pipeline: redhat supported ? |
| 18:18.19 | stouset | pipeline: I thought Ian Murdock runs progeny? =P |
| 18:18.21 | pipeline | LSorense, vivek: Nowadays, they make all their money off support contracts for Redhat 9, because they're cheaper than Redhat, Inc. |
| 18:18.23 | vivek | so which debian is the best right now? |
| 18:18.25 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: Meaning what dpkg and others just said. |
| 18:18.29 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: Debian debian. |
| 18:18.32 | stouset | vivek: Debian, by definition |
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| 18:18.37 | pipeline | vivek: Debian Sarge, probably. |
| 18:18.41 | Ferret | vivek: Hmm. I wonder if you're the vivek I met this weekend. |
| 18:18.49 | vivek | pipeline:ok |
| 18:18.57 | vivek | ferret: i am from india... |
| 18:19.03 | Ferret | vivek: Then that's no. :) |
| 18:19.06 | ricky_clarkson | !kill |
| 18:19.10 | pipeline | stouset: Yeah, but Murdock was only involved with Debian for what, six months? He was the founder, nothing more. |
| 18:19.18 | vivek | pipeline:howis ubonto? |
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| 18:19.29 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: We don't care about Ubuntu here. |
| 18:19.31 | pipeline | vivek: Ask #ubuntu. This is #debian. We use Debian. |
| 18:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: We care about Debian. |
| 18:19.44 | ricky_clarkson | vivek: For general Linux questions, try ##linux. |
| 18:19.50 | stouset | vivek: In reality, it all depends on what you want. For corporate desktop installs, Ubuntu might be a good idea. Servers? Vanilla Debian. A developer who knows Linux well? Debian unstable. Those are my preferences, at least. |
| 18:19.53 | vivek | but , again, isint ubonto also a debian? |
| 18:19.58 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 18:19.59 | pipeline | vivek: It's fork. |
| 18:20.04 | pipeline | vivek: There are dozens of debian forks. |
| 18:20.10 | ricky_clarkson | Ubuntu is DEBIAN-BASED, but it isn't Debian. |
| 18:20.11 | simonrvn | 100s |
| 18:20.15 | stouset | vivek: Unbuntu:Debian::Mandrake:RedHat |
| 18:20.17 | simonrvn | :P |
| 18:20.19 | vivek | ricky_clarksonok... |
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| 18:20.30 | pipeline | vivek: There's only two real debian projects: Debian Woody and Debian Sarge. |
| 18:20.33 | rui | hey dudes .. |
| 18:20.50 | rui | how do you restart samba in debian...and in what directory |
| 18:20.58 | asg | rui: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 18:21.00 | cantona | gcj: libgcj.spec: No such file or directory ? debian bug? |
| 18:21.00 | vivek | i have a friend working for suse, so (obviously) he sez suse is the best.. wht can u say to counter that? |
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| 18:21.02 | stouset | rui: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 18:21.10 | asg | vivek: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 18:21.14 | stouset | cantona: updatedb; locate libgcj.spec |
| 18:21.19 | stew | cantona: check the bts |
| 18:21.20 | ricky_clarkson | cantona: pilot error? #debian-java |
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| 18:22.02 | rui | asg: i got bash: samba: command not found |
| 18:22.06 | visual | !sound |
| 18:22.07 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 18:22.16 | meme | question about monitor refresh rate. Cannot set it over 85Hz, although I have set horiz. and vertical sync ok. |
| 18:22.25 | visual | !sargesound |
| 18:22.30 | stew | visual: /msg the bot |
| 18:22.30 | vivek | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.33 | thorie | how do i find out the IP address of something on the network, but doesn't have an interface (like a keyboard/monitor) ? |
| 18:22.41 | stew | !tell vivek about why debian |
| 18:22.44 | visual | anyone knows how to get cmi8330 work in sarge? |
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| 18:23.03 | visual | !tell visual about why debian |
| 18:23.03 | stew | !WikiFaq visual UseSoundCard |
| 18:23.03 | dpkg | visual: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:23.11 | korkman | rui: /etc/init.d/smb restart |
| 18:23.33 | RichiH | vivek: that an upgrade over versions with suse is next to impossible without having to reinstall your system while my debian unstable hsa worked for years at a time without any troubles updating (unless the packages were broken ;) |
| 18:23.38 | asg | rui: did you install it? |
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| 18:23.58 | rui | what is it? |
| 18:24.02 | asg | visual: /msg the bots |
| 18:24.12 | asg | rui: the 'samba' package |
| 18:24.29 | rui | if you mean samba ....I'm using it! (accessing a linux box from a windows box) |
| 18:24.55 | asg | rui: what debian version? |
| 18:25.03 | rui | i modified the smb.conf and i want to restart the service without restarting system |
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| 18:25.16 | rui | debian woody i guess, how do i check that? |
| 18:25.23 | peppo | is anyone else here losing their Font settings in KDE/Qt applications? |
| 18:25.26 | asg | rui: then follow korkman's advice above |
| 18:25.27 | stew | rui: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:25.39 | asg | peppo: #debian-kde might know |
| 18:26.13 | rui | asg its says 3.0 |
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| 18:26.21 | korkman | rui: do a "ls /etc/init.d" and watch the output. smb or samba or something should be there. |
| 18:26.22 | rui | is that Woody. |
| 18:26.24 | asg | rui: yes |
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| 18:26.46 | stouset | thorie: nmap, look for ports that are familiar |
| 18:26.50 | vivek | su guyz.. thanks a real lot for ur help... wil come soon... |
| 18:26.53 | drini | how can I check the error code that a program returns at exit? |
| 18:26.57 | peppo | asg, thanks |
| 18:26.58 | visual | whats syntax to run eterm? |
| 18:27.01 | asg | drini: echo $? |
| 18:27.06 | asg | drini: if you use bash |
| 18:27.08 | stew | visual: "eterm" |
| 18:27.08 | asg | peppo: you're welcome |
| 18:27.10 | korkman | drini: ... asg was faster :) |
| 18:27.13 | rixth | I have a batch of MP3s (105) that have tags like "XXXXXXXX mediagrant.com" I don't want to have to remove all the spaces on every track. Is there any tool mthat can do it by batch? |
| 18:27.16 | visual | stew, nope it dont work... |
| 18:27.16 | drini | ok |
| 18:27.18 | stew | visual: or "man eterm" |
| 18:27.25 | bitsweat | hey, I'm looking for a nicely packaged postgresql 8.0.1 but google isn't helping much and apt-get.org doesn't show anything |
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| 18:27.36 | greycat | rixth: you didn't say what you wanted it to *do*. |
| 18:27.42 | bitsweat | anyone know whether a package is waiting in the wings for sid? |
| 18:27.58 | greycat | bitsweat: /msg dpkg incoming |
| 18:28.08 | bitsweat | cool, thanks greycat |
| 18:28.09 | korkman | drini: Keep in mind that echo itself will give an exit status, so it only works once |
| 18:28.21 | stew | visual: actually i think its Eterm |
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| 18:28.23 | asg | rui: according to 'apt-file', /etc/init.d/samba is part of the 'samba' package in woody. |
| 18:28.26 | stouset | bitsweat: packaging takes time; especially since we're gearing up for Sarge, new versions are taking longer to get into unstable/testing, since that would mean maintaining three separate versions |
| 18:28.26 | drini | yes I know that korkman |
| 18:28.46 | rixth | greycat, I want it to take the tags from Led Zeppelin medigrant.com to simply Led Zeppelien |
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| 18:28.53 | obtix | ok, i created a dir and file /etc/rc.boot/file now how do i make sure it runs at boot? |
| 18:28.54 | usn | qwak |
| 18:29.02 | asg | gawk |
| 18:29.12 | stew | obtix: read /etc/init.d/README ; man update-rc.d |
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| 18:29.44 | BibTeX | hello |
| 18:29.44 | rixth | And, if I use Juks renaming feature, Xmms can read the tags that juk put son there, it just comes up like asJdhnE - hHEnDt |
| 18:29.51 | stew | obtix: what posessed you to create a directory named /etc/rc.boot? |
| 18:30.07 | stouset | stew: dpkg, actually |
| 18:30.15 | BibTeX | how to remove an installed package with all the packages that have been installed with during apt-get install ? |
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| 18:30.25 | stew | stouset: pardon? |
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| 18:30.29 | petemc | stew: /etc/rc.boot/ was used for a long time, its now depredated, but still works |
| 18:30.43 | obtix | stew: because i thought that was what i was supposed to do? i did it on my older system i have a bootup script there for my network but i dunno how i did it |
| 18:30.44 | stew | ahh |
| 18:30.48 | petemc | deprecated |
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| 18:31.00 | obtix | petemc: still works is good enough for me :-P |
| 18:31.24 | stouset | obtix: If you want something to start at boot, put the script in /etc/init.d |
| 18:31.33 | stouset | obtix: chmod 755 it |
| 18:31.37 | korkman | why not edit inittab anyway |
| 18:31.40 | petemc | obtix: indeed, but it may stop working, its probably wiser to read up how to do it the "right" wat |
| 18:31.44 | obtix | stouset: i tried that and it didnt work.. it gave me errors |
| 18:31.46 | visual | anyone knows how to set themes to work in xfce4? |
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| 18:31.53 | stouset | obtix: What errors? |
| 18:31.57 | BibTeX | how to remove an installed package with all the packages that have been installed with during apt-get install ? |
| 18:31.59 | asg | obtix: also, it runs in S so if it relies on things that start in 2, you will be SOL |
| 18:32.05 | jethro | visual: no everyone uses the default one |
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| 18:32.11 | obtix | hold on, i redo it and tell you the error msg |
| 18:32.18 | petemc | BibTeX: you need to go back in time and install it with aptitude |
| 18:32.23 | asg | BibTeX: dpkg -P <pkg> ; use deborphan and debfoster to help purge the rest. |
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| 18:32.52 | visual | jethro, tell me pls? |
| 18:33.00 | stouset | BibTeX: use aptitude going into the future. For now, try deborphan and debfoster to find orphaned packages |
| 18:33.09 | jethro | visual: go to xfce4 settings |
| 18:33.29 | BibTeX | petemc: what do you mean? |
| 18:33.33 | obtix | stouset: odd, i think it worked |
| 18:33.40 | stouset | Go figure =P |
| 18:33.40 | jethro | visual: ie: type xfce-setting-show in a shell if it's not in your launcher bar |
| 18:33.52 | stouset | Now use "update-rc.d "filename" defaults" |
| 18:33.56 | sdogi | visual: sa elad tartu ülikooli raamatukogus või? :D |
| 18:33.57 | BibTeX | asg: what do you mean? |
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| 18:34.05 | visual | sdogi, hm? |
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| 18:34.10 | sdogi | visual: utlib.ee |
| 18:34.17 | jethro | sdogi: visual stick to english please or you /msg |
| 18:34.23 | visual | jethro, and then? |
| 18:34.35 | asg | BibTeX: dpkg -P <pkg> || apt-get --purge remove <pkg> (then use 'deborphan and debfoster' to help remove dependancies that are hanging around that aren't being used.) |
| 18:34.36 | petemc | BibTeX: read up on on what aptitude can do |
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| 18:35.01 | stouset | petemc: Unfortunately, the super cow powers patch has not been submitted for aptitude yet. |
| 18:35.01 | sdogi | jethro: this sentence wouldn't had made sense to anyone anyway |
| 18:35.21 | stouset | !confuse sdogi |
| 18:35.22 | dpkg | Yes, where was their snake today, sdogi? pants of the republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 18:35.33 | asg | hmmmmm extra cheese |
| 18:35.41 | korkman | stouset, yes, but minesweeper is already in |
| 18:35.56 | stouset | Extra cheese definitely goes well on the pants of the Republic of Swaziland. |
| 18:36.03 | visual | jethro, where i gotta download themes into? |
| 18:36.09 | hacim | arg, when I try to play an mp3 or any sound for that matter, playback simply freezes. My soundcard is loaded according to /proc/asound/cards, but something like mplayer blah.mp3 starts playback and then freezes |
| 18:36.13 | rixth | Minesweeper woot! Sorry. |
| 18:36.14 | jethro | !jfgi |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 18:36.29 | BibTeX | thx asg! petemec! |
| 18:36.49 | LSorense | hacim: snd-pcm-oss loaded or is mplayer configured to use alsa output? |
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| 18:37.06 | LSorense | hacim: got any dumb sound servers like arts or esd runing? |
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| 18:37.17 | hacim | LSorense: snd-pcm-oss is not loaded based on lsmod |grep snd-pcm-oss |
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| 18:37.21 | asg | hacim: do you have the volume turned up? |
| 18:37.24 | OxFF | hey guys.. |
| 18:37.34 | OxFF | you already gave me tremendous tips in installing debian |
| 18:37.36 | visual | jethro, cmon tell? wich dir i gotta same theme to:P |
| 18:37.36 | BibTeX | asg: petemc: does aptitude have his own independent DB to keep trace of the dependent installed packages |
| 18:37.43 | OxFF | im now happy with my own bootsplashed 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 18:37.44 | LSorense | hacim: might be snd-oss-pcm |
| 18:37.45 | hacim | asg: it freezes... as in doesn't play |
| 18:37.48 | asg | BibTeX: afaik, yes. I've never used it. |
| 18:37.59 | hacim | LSorense: no arts or esd running |
| 18:38.00 | asg | hacim: I'll take your word for it |
| 18:38.11 | OxFF | but i have a little problem with package management |
| 18:38.12 | LSorense | hacim: it is only needed for oss applications to run with alsa. if mplayer is configured for native alsa it should work (assuming nothing else is tieing up the card) |
| 18:38.14 | rixth | Does anyone know why Xmms can't read the tags that I put on with Juk's Internet Renamer? |
| 18:38.17 | hacim | LSorense: no snd-oss anything loaded |
| 18:38.22 | OxFF | as recommended i added a 3rd party deb mirror to install bootsplash |
| 18:38.28 | OxFF | and successfully installed the user tools |
| 18:38.35 | LSorense | hacim: well alsa asks when you install it if it should load oss emulation automatically. You must have said no |
| 18:38.36 | hacim | LSorense: mplayer is using also |
| 18:38.42 | OxFF | but now apt is complaining about some bootsplash packages everytime i install something else: |
| 18:38.43 | hacim | LSorense: s/also/alsa |
| 18:38.57 | hacim | LSorense: alsa-base? I can reinstall |
| 18:38.58 | OxFF | Errors were encountered while processing: bootsplash bootsplash-theme-newlinux bootsplash-theme-newlinux-deb |
| 18:39.02 | OxFF | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:39.02 | LSorense | hacim: just reconfigure |
| 18:39.08 | LSorense | hacim: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base I suspect will do |
| 18:39.13 | OxFF | can anyone help me with fixing that issue? (e.g. removing those packages from the todo queue) |
| 18:39.24 | korkman | 0xFF first install aptitude |
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| 18:39.52 | OxFF | it's installed korkman |
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| 18:40.20 | korkman | 0xFF great then select the packages that create problems and press "=" (shift - 0) |
| 18:40.45 | hacim | LSorense: odd, dpkg-reconfigure only asks me about saving mixer settings, nothing about oss |
| 18:40.47 | korkman | OxFF, that will "mute" them |
| 18:40.51 | stouset | So, perhaps someone can answer this for me. Why are kernel modules dependent upon the kernel version? As long as the API doesn't change, shouldn't they be compatible across kernel versions? |
| 18:40.51 | rixth | Does anyone know why Xmms can't read the tags that I put on with Juk's Internet Renamer? If, In Xmms I go File Info, it shows the correct tags, but in the playlist view (this is EXACTLY) as it is, it puts aeo -vTghr sJehd (all my Placebo ones start with aeo wher as Jack Johnson ones start with atuer) |
| 18:41.03 | snake | i |
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| 18:41.09 | simonrvn | stouset: exported symbols |
| 18:41.14 | OxFF | k, thank you korkman |
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| 18:41.24 | LSorense | hacim: yeah I just noticed that |
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| 18:41.25 | stouset | simonrvn: elaborate? |
| 18:41.28 | simonrvn | stouset: less of a pita when module versioning is turned off |
| 18:41.29 | LSorense | hacim: I am trying to find what loads them here |
| 18:41.34 | asuffield | rixth: try playing some of them |
| 18:42.09 | rixth | asuffield, they play fine. But It's weird. If I look at the file info in Xmms, it is correct, just the tags it displays in the playlist are funny. |
| 18:42.27 | asuffield | rixth: play them anyway and see if it changes |
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| 18:42.56 | LSorense | hacim: looks like alsa-base just loads them if anything tries to use them. If nothing has tried to use /dev/dsp* yet they won't be loaded. |
| 18:43.03 | simonrvn | stouset: take a look at 2 kernels configured the same way, at their System.map - they'll be different. there's other stuff i don't recall ATM |
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| 18:43.36 | korkman | Does anyone know why dom inspector isn't included in the firefox packages in debian? |
| 18:43.38 | rixth | ausffeild: no, they don't. |
| 18:44.00 | b_52GM | is there any amrican student in computer science |
| 18:44.02 | b_52GM | or |
| 18:44.04 | b_52GM | korean |
| 18:44.27 | visual | someone tell me where i put theme files in xfce?!? |
| 18:44.33 | rixth | I use a service called Audioscrobbler (it tracks what you listen to) http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/wdaltec but every time it gets a tag like aeo -kjsifg it stoips the rest of my tracks submitting becasue their servers think its spam. |
| 18:44.47 | rixth | Plus, it's anoying not being able to find the songs I wan't. |
| 18:45.06 | stouset | visual: google it? Clearly nobody here knows. |
| 18:45.20 | rixth | I'll be back in a few hours, got to go to school now. |
| 18:45.30 | stew | visual: read the xfce docs |
| 18:45.39 | korkman | visual: I'd guess somewhere in /usr/share |
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| 18:45.47 | simonrvn | !wan't |
| 18:45.56 | J_P | hi all.. |
| 18:46.07 | J_P | have anyone problem for use kernel 2.6 with woody ? |
| 18:46.18 | simonrvn | "want". it's not abbreviated |
| 18:46.19 | asg | J_P: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | J_P: did you install new module_init_tools ? |
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| 18:47.12 | graytron_ | sorry idimmu |
| 18:47.31 | stouset | Hrm...I have to say I find it kind of amusing that dpkg's response to almost everything is to upgrade to sarge, and yet, Debian's official policy is that Sarge is unreleased software and should not be used by anyone but developers. |
| 18:47.39 | J_P | abrotman: yes, here works fine.. woody+2.6, but i see anyone say not is ggod idea use woody+2.6... then not have problem right ? |
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| 18:47.57 | travisat | if you want to use 2.6 use sarge |
| 18:48.03 | korkman | package "mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector" found it |
| 18:48.28 | cIclops | korkman: it works! exports / box1(ro) and mount box2:/ /mnt/box2 :) |
| 18:49.00 | korkman | cIclops, okay, but for mounting you need to specify the exact mount point, right? |
| 18:49.18 | korkman | Eh. |
| 18:49.21 | abrotman | J_P: it's not really .. did you compile it yourself ? |
| 18:49.24 | cIclops | yes mount box2:/ /mnt/box2 |
| 18:49.39 | cIclops | mounts the entire filesystem |
| 18:49.51 | korkman | cIclops, inclusive mounted sub-filesystems? |
| 18:49.57 | cIclops | including all the locally mounted VFAT partitions |
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| 18:50.10 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 18:50.24 | korkman | cIclops, interesting, manpage said that won't work :) |
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| 18:50.42 | J_P | abrotman: yes, In one sarge machine i get via apt-get source of 2.6.8, and compile this source in other macine running woody... right this ? or is better get from kernel.org... becouse in woody not have kernel-2.6 in apt |
| 18:50.42 | cIclops | korkman: it's very nice, restored my faith in linux |
| 18:51.21 | korkman | cIclops, LOL, I guess you know Knoppix? |
| 18:51.26 | Dry-ice | where is libxml2 installed at ? php is complaning |
| 18:51.36 | dhuv | i have a question, when i start synaptic, it asks for the root password ofcourse, but it locks the entire screen, how do i get it to not do that? |
| 18:51.52 | cIclops | korkman: i've tried it and ubunto, but debian works better for me |
| 18:52.00 | dhuv | it locks the screen until i enter the password |
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| 18:52.03 | nvz | dhuv: you mean the screen goes dark grey when gksu comes up to ask the passwd? |
| 18:52.08 | dhuv | yes |
| 18:52.30 | nvz | dhuv: well dont use gksu, you could configure sudo to allow you to always rung synaptic as your user without a password |
| 18:52.30 | korkman | cIclops, Knoppix is only a live-cd, I always keep one around in case a system is shredded |
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| 18:52.50 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | anyone know if you can load data onto an sd card that is in a palm from linux ? |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | J_P: it's better to just upgrade the machine to sarge .. or use 2.4 .. why are you doing this? |
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| 18:53.00 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | anyone know if you can load data onto an sd card that is in a palm from linux ? |
| 18:53.07 | korkman | cIclops, I swear it's a killer application, everyone should have a Knoppix |
| 18:53.19 | cIclops | korkman: good idea, i see IBM are offerring a linux liveCD as a windows maintenance tool |
| 18:53.33 | korkman | cIclops, with NTFS support I guess? |
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| 18:53.43 | itom | hi all, what editor do you use for programming in c? |
| 18:53.50 | korkman | (BTW Knoppix is debian-based) |
| 18:54.01 | kittenbot | itom: vim |
| 18:54.03 | takatumi | korkman: really? |
| 18:54.03 | stew | itom: vim/emacs |
| 18:54.07 | cIclops | korkman: Knoppix only worked on one out of my three systems, the others wouldn't boot |
| 18:54.11 | J_P | abrotman: becouse in sarge i have some problem with imcompatibility in video formats.. but in woody that work ok. |
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| 18:54.23 | abrotman | J_P: what does the kernel have to do with that ? |
| 18:54.24 | stouset | itom: vim, emacs, eclipse, gedit, kate, take your pick |
| 18:54.25 | stew | J_P: is this a server or a desktop? |
| 18:54.32 | korkman | cIclops, that's extremely bad luck. Did you try boot: knoppix failsafe? |
| 18:54.36 | J_P | abrotman: i like use sarge becouse in installer of sarge is possible do RAID via software.. |
| 18:54.45 | J_P | stew: server |
| 18:54.55 | korkman | takatumi, yes, and it's all unstable :) |
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| 18:55.04 | J_P | abrotman: not is kernel, is installer.. sorry for taht error.. |
| 18:55.06 | cIclops | korkman: well one had a bad hard disk, and that confused Knoppix |
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| 18:55.08 | stew | J_P: why do you need 2.6? |
| 18:55.12 | OxFF | korkman: |
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| 18:55.12 | J_P | abrotman: installer of sarge do raid |
| 18:55.17 | abrotman | J_P: did you try the vga=771 or anything ? |
| 18:55.19 | OxFF | set packages are now set on hold |
| 18:55.23 | nvz | dhuv: you would have to install sudo, then configure it to allow you to run it without a password, then make an icon or something that runs "sudo synaptic" instead of just "synaptic" or "gksu synaptic" |
| 18:55.24 | OxFF | but i still get the same errors |
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| 18:55.37 | nagual | he needs 2.6 due to dm-crypt ;-) |
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| 18:56.22 | catlee | I'm looking for a simple proxy DNS server that I can run on my firewall and forward DNS requests to the DNS servers given to me by my ISP through DHCP |
| 18:56.22 | J_P | abrotman: uhh ? i not have problem with video.. i like only use sarge becouse sarge is possible do raid via software in installer... |
| 18:56.33 | crackbaby | can anyone help me fix my sound? got alsa and oss all tangled up |
| 18:56.40 | crackbaby | deb sarge |
| 18:56.40 | abrotman | J_P: so you're trying to use the sarge installer to install woody ? |
| 18:56.41 | nagual | catlee: bind is a dns proxy |
| 18:56.47 | mwilson | Uh, isn't synaptic smart enough to become root on its own when it needs to? |
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| 18:56.54 | greycat | catlee: bind with "forwarders" set up can do it. But it may not be the best choice. |
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| 18:57.09 | korkman | OxFF, hum, dependency hell, eh? Can you post the full output as privmsg? |
| 18:57.15 | catlee | Then I have to know the DNS servers ahead of time to put in bind's configuration |
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| 18:57.26 | nagual | catlee apt-cache search proxy|grep dns |
| 18:57.29 | greycat | catlee: or just stop using your isp's servers altogether. |
| 18:57.33 | mwilson | catlee: dnsmasq |
| 18:57.52 | drini | question: how can I make an account, so that the user canNOT change the password |
| 18:57.53 | stew | !WikiFaq crackbaby UseSoundCard |
| 18:57.54 | dpkg | crackbaby: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.02 | drini | (I want to setup a "guest" account to use some software on my machine |
| 18:58.10 | drini | but I don't want guests changing the pwd |
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| 18:58.12 | crackbaby | !WikiFaq crackbaby UseSoundCard |
| 18:58.12 | dpkg | crackbaby: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.16 | simonrvn | drini: not a good idea |
| 18:58.21 | jethro | !pkgsrc |
| 18:58.27 | drini | better alternative? |
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| 18:58.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.45 | MFen | anyone familiar with runit? |
| 18:58.49 | greycat | there's your hint. have fun. |
| 18:58.57 | drini | hah ;) thanks grey |
| 18:59.02 | korkman | OxFF, or use http://www.pastebin.com/ |
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| 18:59.13 | MFen | i have a rat's nest of dependent services and it's a pain to manage them with sysvinit.. i want to set up runit just to supervise those services |
| 18:59.24 | MFen | alas, runit doesn't seem to have a sysvinit script :-) |
| 18:59.26 | greycat | MFen: so what's stopping you? |
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| 18:59.35 | greycat | MFen: I'd expect it to run from inittab directly |
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| 18:59.59 | greycat | daemontools installs itself into /etc/inittab, anyway. and runit is loosely based on daemontools. |
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| 19:00.25 | crackbaby | dpkg/stew: thx for links, but I need more help. I half-installed alsa. gave up, purged, now oss is broken |
| 19:00.35 | J_P | abrotman: no.. |
| 19:00.37 | crackbaby | I just want it back to how it was before :) |
| 19:00.58 | dhuv | nvz: thanks, i didnt realize it was gksu, -g in the command gets rid of the focus problem |
| 19:01.02 | J_P | abrotman: kernel 2.4.x have equal support to raid as 2.6.x ? |
| 19:01.06 | valdyn | crackbaby: did you dpkg --purge alsa-base ? |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | J_P: unsure .. i use hardware raid |
| 19:01.17 | crackbaby | valdyn: yes |
| 19:01.59 | nvz | dhuv: yeah, well reading manpages is good too.. but I dont see any reason why if you are the only one using your account, you cant just allow yourself to install software without need to enter a password. |
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| 19:02.12 | valdyn | crackbaby: just reboot then, if you didnt |
| 19:02.12 | afaik | quick! How can I disabled that darn beep in bash? |
| 19:02.18 | greycat | afaik: /msg dpkg bell |
| 19:02.22 | J_P | abrotman: my queston is, all support of hardware in 2.6 have in 2.4 too ? |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | J_P: probably not |
| 19:02.35 | crackbaby | ...and anything else related to alsa: except libpt-lugins-alsa - that wanted to remove gnome, too |
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| 19:02.48 | korkman | afaik, screen -> ctrl-a : -> vbell |
| 19:02.51 | crackbaby | valdyn: I did rebott, but it's still broken |
| 19:02.52 | J_P | abrotman: see becouse i like use 2.6 with woody :-) |
| 19:02.55 | greycat | dpkg, bell is also For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. |
| 19:02.56 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:02.56 | catlee | dnsmasq seems to do the trick |
| 19:02.57 | catlee | thanks |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | J_P: then use bunk's packages |
| 19:03.06 | nvz | dhuv: I got synaptic problems here, myself :P |
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| 19:03.20 | valdyn | crackbaby: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 19:03.29 | J_P | abrotman: you say backports ? |
| 19:03.46 | abrotman | J_P: i said bunk |
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| 19:03.51 | crackbaby | val: you sure about that. what does that do? |
| 19:03.54 | abrotman | !tell J_P about bunk 2.6 |
| 19:04.02 | greycat | crackbaby: makes you jump. |
| 19:04.03 | valdyn | crackbaby: random noise on your soundcard |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | which asg told you to look at .. like 15 minutes ago |
| 19:04.17 | abrotman | J_P: and i'm still confused what you're trying to do .. |
| 19:04.23 | crackbaby | wonderful. |
| 19:04.30 | crackbaby | I'll skip that command I think |
| 19:04.33 | valdyn | crackbaby: tried it? heared it? |
| 19:04.53 | valdyn | crackbaby: i didnt tell you to do this for fun |
| 19:04.59 | crackbaby | i tried it anyway... nothing |
| 19:05.08 | crackbaby | xmms doesn't work, either |
| 19:05.09 | stouset | valdyn: "cat /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 > /dev/dsp" lets you hear the voice of god =) |
| 19:05.15 | valdyn | crackbaby: no error? |
| 19:05.19 | crackbaby | ahhaha |
| 19:05.21 | greycat | crackbaby: by "nothing", do you mean "an error occurred", or "it sat there until I hit Ctrl-C", or something else? |
| 19:05.22 | crackbaby | nothing at all |
| 19:05.33 | crackbaby | it sat there until I hit Ctrl-C |
| 19:05.42 | Dry-ice | asg: I think I found why php wasn't working... for some reason, I can't find lib's |
| 19:05.44 | valdyn | crackbaby: then turn up your volume, plug in your speakers |
| 19:05.44 | greycat | crackbaby: turn up the volume with aumix. |
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| 19:05.52 | greycat | crackbaby: and check your hardware, power cord, etc. |
| 19:05.59 | nvz | ever since that bug in synaptic where the toolbar icons dissapeared my synaptic has been broken in that state. I am fully current with updates in sarge, and I tried removing all configs from /root/ but my synaptic still doesnt show _ANY_ of the interface improvements that I seen on the two sarge systems I have installed for people over the past few weeks. I have no idea why my synaptic is still broken, when sarge systems I am installing fresh have |
| 19:06.13 | crackbaby | all hardware is fine. It all worked before I tried alsa |
| 19:06.15 | J_P | abrotman: better method to use raid via software in woody! |
| 19:06.16 | crackbaby | stupid alsa |
| 19:06.20 | greycat | HAHAHAHA |
| 19:06.28 | greycat | !be alsa advocate |
| 19:06.28 | dpkg | <pmitros> I don't believe you would understand the architectural decisions that went into ALSA without about half an hour of explanation, and I have better things to do with my time. |
| 19:06.32 | ningo | !excuse me dpkg my english |
| 19:06.32 | dpkg | well, excuse me dpkg my english is not good |
| 19:06.38 | valdyn | sure this cannot be a pebcak |
| 19:06.46 | asg | Dry-ice: oh? |
| 19:06.49 | greycat | crackbaby: raise the volume *and unmute* with alsamixer |
| 19:06.50 | valdyn | crackbaby: did turning up volume help? |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | J_P: have oyu even installed the system yet? |
| 19:06.55 | crackbaby | sound is up with gnome's volume ctrl |
| 19:07.05 | valdyn | greycat: hes just not using alsa |
| 19:07.08 | greycat | !pal gnome users |
| 19:07.11 | dvs | crackbaby: Try aumix |
| 19:07.15 | drini | where can I modify apt to change the priority of configuring questions (like dpkg -plow vs dpkg -phigh )? |
| 19:07.16 | greycat | valdyn: he says he is. |
| 19:07.19 | J_P | abrotman: yes |
| 19:07.32 | crackbaby | don't have aumix. is it worth apt-getting |
| 19:07.32 | crackbaby | ? |
| 19:07.33 | cIclops | korkman: it works too with the mounting done via fstab - this is enough: box2:/ /mnt/box2 nfs |
| 19:07.36 | nvz | drini: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 19:07.41 | greycat | !info aumix |
| 19:07.43 | dpkg | aumix: (Simple text-based mixer control program), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.8-15 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 444 kB |
| 19:07.46 | abrotman | J_P: 2.4 should be able to do software raid just as easily |
| 19:07.48 | greycat | it's 76 kB downloaded. |
| 19:07.51 | crackbaby | val: volume ctrl didn't help |
| 19:07.53 | nvz | drini: it has nothing to do with apt at all, the configuration is done by debconf |
| 19:07.54 | drini | ok, debconf, thanks |
| 19:07.55 | valdyn | greycat: no, he removed it again and blames it to have fucked up things |
| 19:08.00 | J_P | abrotman: humm ok, thanks! |
| 19:08.14 | crackbaby | val: I recognize that I broke things, no doubt there |
| 19:08.14 | greycat | valdyn: conceivable. |
| 19:08.46 | greycat | valdyn: did you rmmod all the ALSA modules, re-modprobe the OSS ones, and arrange for OSS to be loaded at next boot? |
| 19:08.51 | korkman | cIclops, yupp. Hint: Even loopback devices, e.g. ISO CD-Images can be mounted via fstab |
| 19:08.52 | crackbaby | frankly, I regret ever trying to set up alsa. I got greedy. heard it was way better than oss |
| 19:08.58 | greycat | crackbaby: did you rmmod all the ALSA modules, re-modprobe the OSS ones, and arrange for OSS to be loaded at next boot? |
| 19:09.03 | valdyn | crackbaby: "lsmod | grep snd" and "lspci | grep -i audio" |
| 19:09.31 | crackbaby | lsmod shows a bunch of snd* modules |
| 19:09.37 | crackbaby | rmmod them all? |
| 19:09.40 | J_P | abrotman: if i use last version 2.4 to woody.. 2.4.27 for example.. is better get from kernel.org or download via apt in one sarge machine(where have debian patches) ? |
| 19:09.41 | drini | I've never had alsa problems, and it's indeed better than OSS ;) |
| 19:09.42 | valdyn | crackbaby: so you didnt remove alsa as you said |
| 19:09.51 | cIclops | korkman: linux has no limits only limited users :) |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | J_P: i don't know .. i wouldn't do something like that |
| 19:10.01 | crackbaby | i used synaptic to "completely remove" them |
| 19:10.05 | xophEr | mm, my desktop icons just vanished, what should I start/restart? using gnome.. |
| 19:10.06 | valdyn | crackbaby: did you add a alsa driver somewhere like /etc/modules or did you lie to us when claiming you had done dpkg --purge alsa-base ? |
| 19:10.13 | korkman | cIclops, I setup two symlinks to iso images and pointed fstab to them with "user" so I can mount CD-Images as a simple user, changing the images by altering the symlink |
| 19:10.22 | greycat | valdyn: removing the alsa userspace utilities doesn't remove the alsa *drivers* from the running kernel. |
| 19:10.31 | valdyn | greycat: he rebooted too |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | valdyn: he'd have to reboot, or rmmod them. |
| 19:10.43 | valdyn | greycat: or claims to have done so |
| 19:10.52 | greycat | if he rebooted and they came back, it's probably because of a hotplug or discover blacklist, etc. |
| 19:10.56 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 19:10.56 | J_P | abrotman: then you think use kernel 2.4.19(getting from woody) ? |
| 19:10.56 | dpkg | [blacklist] <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at boot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules |
| 19:10.59 | greycat | do the OPPOSITE of that. |
| 19:11.00 | crackbaby | is --purge the same as "completely remove" in synaptic? |
| 19:11.08 | abrotman | J_P: you mean 2.4.18 ? |
| 19:11.10 | valdyn | greycat: thats what dpkg --purge alsa-base "fixes" |
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| 19:11.12 | nvz | drini: see also the packages configure-debian and gkdebconf, first one is curses/console and the other is gtk/x, they present you with a list of all packages installed that debconf can configure. may help you with similar problems in the future |
| 19:11.17 | greycat | valdyn: news to me. I've never tried it. |
| 19:11.18 | J_P | abrotman: have 2.4.19 too in woody |
| 19:11.20 | valdyn | crackbaby: run dpkg --purge alsa-base on comand line |
| 19:11.21 | greycat | valdyn: I'd double check : |
| 19:11.22 | greycat | :) |
| 19:11.25 | abrotman | J_P: for what? |
| 19:11.52 | jharrisonwk | opposite? |
| 19:11.59 | crackbaby | val: already uninstalled, so won't purge |
| 19:12.00 | greycat | jharrisonwk: he wants to UNblacklist the oss drivers. |
| 19:12.10 | crackbaby | exactly |
| 19:12.11 | J_P | abrotman: I think more new version better support for raid for example.. I am wrong ? |
| 19:12.24 | jharrisonwk | ah |
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| 19:12.33 | crackbaby | val: reintall, then purge? |
| 19:12.38 | crackbaby | or is that reduntant? |
| 19:12.42 | jharrisonwk | im bored |
| 19:12.45 | ideafix | clamscan -i -r |
| 19:12.45 | ideafix | /windows/C/pagefile.sys: Linux.Lion worm FOUND |
| 19:12.45 | crackbaby | *redundant |
| 19:13.01 | ideafix | ?!!? |
| 19:13.27 | nvz | another thing that bothers me, how come update-menus isnt run on like every package install? _I_ personally am not too lame to type update-menus, but its annoying to have to remember to do it when I install something and is not put into my menu.. but for people I am installing debian for lately, that are not very experienced yet.. seems like the 'menu' package should somehow add things to their respective menus, when they install things. |
| 19:13.52 | crackbaby | val: should I rmmod all the snd* modules found by lsmod? Is that the problem? |
| 19:14.10 | valdyn | crackbaby: yea, do it, and modprobe your oss driver |
| 19:14.20 | stouset | nvz: What DE are you using? |
| 19:14.20 | valdyn | crackbaby: though that wont fix the situation on next reboot, try it |
| 19:14.32 | crackbaby | sure |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | crackbaby: it's a necessary first step/. |
| 19:14.43 | jharrisonwk | DE? |
| 19:14.47 | greycat | crackbaby: next you'll have to fix it at boot time, probably by putting the oss driver in /etc/modules |
| 19:14.57 | jharrisonwk | oh desktop environment |
| 19:15.05 | nvz | stouset: I use just sawfish. but I was at the future Judge's house last night.. and setting up debian for him, and I ran synaptic once from gnome and also from kde, and didnt see it put things like gaim, or bzflag into his menus. |
| 19:15.07 | mwilson | nvz: If a package provides a menu entry, and does not update the menus, then file a bug against that package. |
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| 19:15.20 | mwilson | stouset: What would the DE have to do with it? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 19:15.25 | nvz | mwilson: ah, so its a per-package responsibility? |
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| 19:15.34 | greycat | mwilson: he probably meant which WM |
| 19:15.41 | mwilson | nvz: Of course. How else would it be? |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | J_P: probably .. but like i said .. i don't use software raid |
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| 19:15.57 | nvz | mwilson: I dont know.. I assumed it didnt work at all, because I have never seen it work. |
| 19:15.57 | crackbaby | val: how about module: snd. rm it too? |
| 19:16.01 | jharrisonwk | window manager? |
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| 19:16.12 | crackbaby | val: and soundcore? |
| 19:16.27 | valdyn | crackbaby: remove all, then modprobe your oss module |
| 19:16.37 | valdyn | crackbaby: and use modprobe -r, not rmmod |
| 19:16.41 | mwilson | nvz: Now, whether it updates the Gnome or KDE menus is also package-dependent... but the Debian menu should always be updated in the package postinst. |
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| 19:16.56 | nvz | mwilson: yeah, I follow that part. |
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| 19:17.37 | ideafix | can you explain how a linux virus is infecting a windows file ? |
| 19:17.39 | crackbaby | val: " Module snd is in use" |
| 19:17.45 | ideafix | clamscan -i -r |
| 19:17.45 | ideafix | /windows/C/pagefile.sys: Linux.Lion worm FOUND |
| 19:17.48 | greycat | crackbaby: in order. |
| 19:18.00 | nvz | mwilson: f.e. I just now opened synaptic to install openoffice.org, and found it was already installed long ago.. I thought it was not, because it doesnt show up anywhere in my sawfish/debian menu. |
| 19:18.01 | greycat | crackbaby: and KILL THE FUCKING ESD. |
| 19:18.06 | greycat | esd is teh Evil. |
| 19:18.32 | crackbaby | greycat: ESD? |
| 19:18.37 | mwilson | nvz: <shrug> It does here. |
| 19:18.38 | ricochet | is there a way to tee all keyboard input? |
| 19:18.39 | asg | ideafix: umount /windows (problem solved) |
| 19:18.40 | valdyn | crackbaby: "killall esd" |
| 19:18.47 | cj | hey all |
| 19:18.53 | asg | ricochet: script, screen |
| 19:18.53 | greycat | 14:06 crackbaby> sound is up with gnome's volume ctrl |
| 19:18.55 | ideafix | greycat: you look pretty evil also |
| 19:18.59 | nvz | mwilson: fits into the editors category right? |
| 19:19.01 | greycat | GNOME -> esd |
| 19:19.14 | valdyn | confusingly theres various "gnome" volume controls =/ |
| 19:19.28 | greycat | valdyn: but don't they generally mean that he's running gnome? |
| 19:19.35 | greycat | (FSVO running gnome) |
| 19:19.43 | crackbaby | greycat: esd doesn't appear to be running |
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| 19:19.54 | nvz | I am considering reinstalling my system from scratch.. heh too much shit is broken. |
| 19:20.06 | valdyn | greycat: not necessarily |
| 19:20.14 | mwilson | nvz: Writer does. |
| 19:20.24 | ricochet | asg, are those packages? or ... |
| 19:20.27 | ideafix | dont you think linus tordvalds is being held in the usa against its will ? |
| 19:20.33 | BigBlockO | anyone have any suggestions on how to set up my PC to dual boot Debian and Windows? |
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| 19:20.36 | asg | ricochet: script is a command, screen is a command and a package |
| 19:20.41 | greycat | BigBlockO: 1) install windows, 2) install debian. |
| 19:20.47 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 19:20.51 | greycat | BigBlockO: doing it the other way around is harder. |
| 19:20.51 | nvz | mwilson: I just ran update-menus as root, and its still not in my sawfish menu, so I don't know I never made any custom menus or anything. |
| 19:20.53 | cj | how difficult is it to change default user authentication from /etc/passwd to mysql? |
| 19:20.54 | BigBlockO | hehe |
| 19:21.01 | BigBlockO | i'm installing debian on a seperate hard drive |
| 19:21.18 | dvs | BigBlockO: That's the best way to do it. |
| 19:21.22 | BigBlockO | cool |
| 19:21.26 | stouset | BigBlockO: NO! You can't install Debian on anything other than your primary hard drive. |
| 19:21.30 | greycat | cj: you're intentionally trying to make me have a seizure, aren't you? |
| 19:21.33 | valdyn | crackbaby: easiest way to avoid alsa ever loading is to rm /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound |
| 19:21.34 | dvs | stouset: wrong |
| 19:21.43 | crackbaby | val: modprobe -r found a few that were in use, regardless of order |
| 19:21.44 | stouset | dvs: bad joke |
| 19:21.44 | valdyn | crackbaby: easiest way to avoid alsa ever loading is to rm -r /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound |
| 19:21.44 | cj | mwilson: you know anything about altering auth mechanisms? |
| 19:21.44 | asg | cj: libpam-mysql should do the trick |
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| 19:21.52 | cj | greycat: nope |
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| 19:21.54 | BigBlockO | do i need to do anything special to make it boot? |
| 19:21.57 | dvs | stouset: Where's the smiley? ;-) |
| 19:22.01 | abrotman | !beer mwilson |
| 19:22.05 | ricochet | asg, I am looking more for a ... key capture, so even when I'm writing in open office it will capture my keystrokes |
| 19:22.11 | nvz | My synaptic still doesnt have toolbar icons, and both sarge systems I installed in the past week for friends, not only had that bug fixed, but they made several changes to the synaptic interface, and mine still looks the same, and it shows I have no upgrades available. |
| 19:22.15 | stew | abrotman: don't waste the beer on mwilson, he doesn't want it |
| 19:22.16 | cj | ah. Mark, not Matt. Sorry. thought you were my friend, Matt Wilson |
| 19:22.17 | stouset | Boddington's is an ale, dammit! |
| 19:22.18 | dvs | BigBlockO: If you're installing sarge, you can use grub |
| 19:22.18 | asg | ricochet: oh, dunno there. |
| 19:22.22 | stouset | dvs: I don't smile much :-( |
| 19:22.27 | nvz | so I dont know.. little things on my system just arent right. |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | stew: he can wear it instead :) |
| 19:22.33 | crackbaby | val: rm -r done |
| 19:22.36 | BigBlockO | where do i find out how to use it? |
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| 19:22.45 | valdyn | crackbaby: reboot, alsa cant be loaded then. |
| 19:22.45 | asg | ricochet: maybe ttysnoop |
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| 19:22.48 | crackbaby | now add oss to /etc/modules |
| 19:22.49 | crackbaby | ? |
| 19:22.49 | ricochet | is there a keyboard device that I can cat /dev/kbd > keylog.txt ? |
| 19:23.03 | ideafix | dont you think linus tordvalds is being held in the usa against its will ? |
| 19:23.07 | myren | whats the latin expression for buyer beware? osmething like caveat emporum or something |
| 19:23.08 | valdyn | crackbaby: yes, you can |
| 19:23.09 | abrotman | ideafix: shut up |
| 19:23.11 | asg | ideafix: go away and stop being a pest |
| 19:23.26 | crackbaby | there's almost nothing in there. i think hotplug/discover do that for me |
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| 19:23.49 | BigBlockO | so when do i install/use grub? |
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| 19:23.58 | greycat | crackbaby: but what you do in /etc/modules happens BEFORE discover/hotplug get a chance to fuck things up. |
| 19:24.03 | dvs | BigBlockO: When you install Debian sarge |
| 19:24.03 | xenoduck | What's the config file I need to create to change the font used in all GTK1 apps? |
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| 19:24.06 | greycat | crackbaby: therefore it's a good preemptive strike |
| 19:24.09 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 19:24.19 | BigBlockO | it'll ask me about it |
| 19:24.35 | nvz | ideafix: do you have any real purpose here? if so, please try stay focused. I am seeing you in here alot now, and always causing problems. I will tell you again, go study the freenode channel guidelines, particularly the part about Advocacy Debates, that you always seem to be trying to start. |
| 19:24.35 | crackbaby | ok, i added it. would it make sense that "emu10k1" is the oss for SB live? |
| 19:24.40 | greycat | crackbaby: yes |
| 19:24.43 | crackbaby | I think it it so I added that |
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| 19:24.44 | nvz | s/alot/a lot/ |
| 19:24.46 | crackbaby | ok, good. |
| 19:24.54 | crackbaby | time for reboot, right? |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | crackbaby: yes, to test. |
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| 19:25.08 | crackbaby | ok, thx guys. brb |
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| 19:25.29 | cj | crackbaby: yes, emu10k1 is the driver for all new sb cards |
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| 19:25.38 | greycat | cj: no, for NOT-new sb cards. |
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| 19:25.50 | greycat | it's specifically NOT for the audigy2. |
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| 19:25.53 | cj | greycat: really? what have they moved to recently? |
| 19:25.56 | BigBlockO | It's saying that no Kernal Modules were found on the CD |
| 19:26.03 | cj | greycat: damn. that's what I get for getting a day job :) |
| 19:26.12 | nvz | BigBlockO: Sarge i386 ISO 1? |
| 19:26.12 | drini | ok, my guest users can use ONLY one program, so I figured the best option is to put that single program as default shell |
| 19:26.18 | BigBlockO | yup |
| 19:26.21 | wlazian_ | hi, does anybody have experiences with a pcmcia gprs modem and kernel 2.6.10? |
| 19:26.24 | greycat | BigBlockO: business card ISO? net install? full CD? |
| 19:26.28 | BigBlockO | Full CD |
| 19:26.28 | drini | however, that program has a small function to use external programs, and that is BAD |
| 19:26.34 | BigBlockO | i tried net install and that wouldn't boot |
| 19:26.39 | nvz | BigBlockO: yeah I tried to install from that last night, when I was out.. and it said the same shit.. I ended up burning a netinstall |
| 19:26.40 | drini | so I think of jailing the whole thing, andy pointer to programs? |
| 19:26.45 | wlazian_ | my problem is that i don't have a modeule called 'serial_cs' |
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| 19:26.55 | BigBlockO | the netinstall cd would not boot for me |
| 19:26.56 | greycat | BigBlockO: if it didn't boot, then you didn't burn the image correctly |
| 19:27.03 | nvz | BigBlockO: I don't know what the deal is with that ISO, but someone needs to complain to the right people about it |
| 19:27.03 | obtix | ok, i know this might not be the channel but i need help with honeyd... my scripts wont work at all everything works and i can emluate all the hosts and ports i need but the scripts just wont work anyone that could help would be awesome! |
| 19:27.03 | asg | drini: libpam-chroot perhaps |
| 19:27.06 | wlazian_ | furthermore i tried the pcmcia_cs package |
| 19:27.10 | BigBlockO | hehe |
| 19:27.12 | purplebob | anone using sendmail on sarge? Im getting ~15 second delay before the message is handed to procmail for delivery. no errors in the logs, dns is kosher, clamav is working, spamassassin is assassinating... wonder what is causing the delay. it just appeared out of nowhere... |
| 19:27.13 | drini | ok, I'll look it up |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | nvz: I've never seen a sarge netinstall i386 rc image fail to boot after I've burned it. |
| 19:27.32 | BigBlockO | i downloaded the netinstall image and i'll try again burning it the same way i burned the last one |
| 19:27.41 | purplebob | restarted everything.... |
| 19:27.49 | greycat | nvz: I could imagine a daily fucking up, but... |
| 19:27.51 | jim | purplebob: you have a dns server on the same box as the sendmail? |
| 19:27.57 | wlazian_ | the card is detected (cardctl ident shows the right info) |
| 19:27.58 | purplebob | negative... |
| 19:28.00 | asg | purplebob: new spam controls, identd timeouts |
| 19:28.08 | jim | recommended. |
| 19:28.15 | ideafix | i think a new linux virus is out ! |
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| 19:28.30 | nvz | greycat: no, the netinstall worked fine.. I went to the canidate for magistrate's house last nigt with the first few sarge ISOs, and tried to install his system with Sarge i386 cd1 and got that same problem BigBlockO mentioned, where it said it could not load the drivers from the cd |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | ideafix: shut up |
| 19:28.34 | asg | ideafix: yes, when you joined #debian |
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| 19:28.47 | ideafix | im havin trouble starting stuff too |
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| 19:28.53 | BigBlockO | the candidate for magistrate? |
| 19:29.01 | BigBlockO | what country are you in? |
| 19:29.05 | ideafix | it takes 1 or 2 secs more that it should |
| 19:29.16 | nvz | BigBlockO: yeah its election time, we are electing a new local judge here |
| 19:29.23 | Ronin | you that bored ideafix? |
| 19:29.25 | BigBlockO | cool |
| 19:29.26 | jim | ideafix: what do you mean (careful: trolling might be a quieting offense... better make sure you are right before proceeding) |
| 19:29.29 | BigBlockO | i love elections |
| 19:29.40 | crackbaby | valdyn/greycat: lsmod shows no snd* modules. XMMS won't play and uses ~50% cpu! |
| 19:29.44 | purplebob | shit... its spamassassin..... thats the one thing I assumed was working ok.... I took it out of the .procmailrc and voom. everything is normal... ok now to go pull some more nose hairs out.. thats all I have left.. |
| 19:29.47 | BigBlockO | what country are you in? |
| 19:29.54 | asg | jim: he found a Linux.Lion worm in the pagefile.sys on a mounted samba share and is getting paranoid. |
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| 19:30.05 | nvz | he had a lot for me to do.. his kid stuck a sony minidisc cartridge into his floppy drive, his router was misconfigured, he needed a ram upgrade and debian installed on his old pc. |
| 19:30.08 | ideafix | starting quake i get that delay before opening some loclahost port |
| 19:30.09 | jim | oic |
| 19:30.13 | abrotman | that's the swap file for NT .. it could be a fluke .. |
| 19:30.20 | jim | asg: what's that? |
| 19:30.20 | greycat | asg: Lion? isn't that like 4 years old? |
| 19:30.21 | ideafix | and in armyops too |
| 19:30.29 | asg | greycat: yes, march 23, 2001 |
| 19:30.36 | greycat | wow, almost exactly. |
| 19:30.38 | ideafix | but its infecting a windows file |
| 19:30.41 | BigBlockO | so the magistrate candidate knows how to use linux? |
| 19:30.44 | ideafix | thats really odd |
| 19:30.45 | asg | !win greycat |
| 19:30.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
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| 19:30.55 | stouset | ideafix: Not at all |
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| 19:30.56 | ideafix | but evrything about linux seems to be ... |
| 19:30.58 | greycat | BigBlockO: *using* linux is not hard. |
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| 19:31.22 | BigBlockO | true, but not many people who are not computer people use it |
| 19:31.31 | stouset | ideafix: It your windows pagefile. You probably at some point had the virus loaded into memory (this does not necessarily mean it was executed) and later paged to disk. |
| 19:31.39 | nvz | I only charged him $50, I would have normally charged around $150 for the ammount of time and work I spent there.. but this guy is likely to become a judge, so I took it easy on him |
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| 19:31.53 | BigBlockO | nvz what country are you in? |
| 19:31.58 | ideafix | loaded in windows ? |
| 19:31.58 | BucWheat2 | greycat there? |
| 19:31.59 | nvz | BigBlockO: USA |
| 19:32.03 | Ronin | nvz: for future considerations? :) |
| 19:32.15 | nvz | Ronin: heh (: |
| 19:32.17 | crackbaby | valdyn: how do I confirm my oss driver was loaded? lsmod only shows its gameport driver |
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| 19:32.28 | jim | ideafix: perhaps you aren't really experienced with it yet? |
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| 19:32.36 | ideafix | with what ? |
| 19:32.37 | greycat | crackbaby: you should see it in lsmod's output. |
| 19:32.46 | ideafix | linux |
| 19:32.47 | crackbaby | val: on boot I got some messages about modprobe not finding drivers, but we expected that |
| 19:32.47 | asg | ideafix: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.lion.worm.html (have fun) |
| 19:32.51 | BigBlockO | and they call the judge magistrate? |
| 19:32.51 | stouset | ideafix: like I said, it doesn't have to be executed |
| 19:32.52 | BucWheat2 | greycat i've created /etc/rc3.d/S99auto_login and when i'm in runlevel 3 it doesn't autologin :( |
| 19:32.55 | Azra`el | What are the X11 dev headers under? (synaptic/apt whatever) |
| 19:33.02 | asg | Azra`el: xlibs-dev |
| 19:33.02 | stouset | ideafix: it might have gotten paged by your email client, or whatever |
| 19:33.05 | BigBlockO | i didn't think we still used that term in the US |
| 19:33.07 | greycat | !faq Azra`el |
| 19:33.07 | jim | ideafix: not experienced with linux |
| 19:33.08 | dpkg | Azra`el: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:33.14 | Azra`el | thanks. |
| 19:33.21 | valdyn | crackbaby: i think i told you something stupid.. sec |
| 19:33.22 | Azra`el | Hi me |
| 19:33.25 | jim | or unix in general |
| 19:33.44 | crackbaby | grey: only shows emu10k1_gp (gameport, i assume) |
| 19:33.46 | nvz | BigBlockO: what term? Local Magistrate, District Justice, whatever you want to call it |
| 19:33.49 | kethinov | anyone know how i can set my init scripts to run dhclient eth1 instead of dhclient eth0 at boot time? |
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| 19:33.55 | jim | this may be a generality, but it's starting to look like you're seeing it as magic |
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| 19:33.57 | greycat | kethinov: man interfaces |
| 19:33.58 | ideafix | no i didnt have the 10 years learning curve ! |
| 19:34.16 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm still working on autologin of user without gdm or xdm |
| 19:34.18 | azreal | wast there any acroread metapackage? |
| 19:34.24 | nvz | kethinov: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:34.25 | BigBlockO | hehe |
| 19:34.32 | valdyn | crackbaby: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-$(uname -r), and only remove alsa driver modules this time =/ |
| 19:34.33 | BigBlockO | so quick question |
| 19:34.33 | kethinov | thanks |
| 19:34.36 | asg | azreal: non-free in woody. Dunno about sarge/sid |
| 19:34.40 | BigBlockO | if i want to use my debian box |
| 19:34.41 | jim | ideafix: so how long have you been running linux or any other unix alike? |
| 19:34.42 | azreal | i thought there was |
| 19:34.45 | BucWheat2 | greycat when i run /etc/rc3.d/S99auto_login from console it works fine. the error happens during bootup |
| 19:34.49 | BigBlockO | to access a network behind a firewall |
| 19:34.49 | greycat | crackbaby: does "modprobe emu10k1" work? |
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| 19:34.51 | azreal | asg: ahh |
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| 19:34.56 | ideafix | less then a year |
| 19:34.57 | BigBlockO | should i put the box behind the firewall |
| 19:35.11 | BigBlockO | or can i use two network cards, one behind the firewall and one in front of it |
| 19:35.17 | stouset | ideafix: 10 years? Hardly. Are you going to just sit around trolling, or what? |
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| 19:35.31 | jim | ideafix: ok, that's kinda short... don't worry about that too much, you'll learn as you go... so my next question is... |
| 19:35.44 | crackbaby | greycat: can't find the files?! |
| 19:35.49 | jim | what do you use linux for? do you write programs? do you have servers? |
| 19:35.54 | greycat | crackbaby: you broke your kernel image? |
| 19:36.02 | ideafix | to play quake and AA |
| 19:36.06 | Maulkin | BigBlockO: I'd suggest putting it behind the firewall, and allowing a rule through for SSH only. |
| 19:36.07 | ideafix | basiclly |
| 19:36.14 | BigBlockO | okay |
| 19:36.19 | ideafix | and surf |
| 19:36.24 | jim | ok, so you do not write C or C++ programs? |
| 19:36.27 | BigBlockO | but what if i want to host other services on it? |
| 19:36.36 | crackbaby | grey: oh, crap. I think I know the "stupid" thing valdyn told me to do. |
| 19:36.37 | ideafix | hell no |
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| 19:36.46 | asg | BigBlockO: port forwarding from the firewall to the internal box |
| 19:36.47 | Maulkin | BigBlockO: Then put in tules for those services too |
| 19:36.47 | Covener | Is there a way, maybe via /proc, to get the socket options of a listening socket? specifically I want the effective value of SO_RCVBUF |
| 19:36.48 | drini | jim: I use vim |
| 19:36.58 | crackbaby | I rm -r /lib/......kernel/sound |
| 19:37.00 | drini | nevermind wrong question |
| 19:37.01 | crackbaby | uh-oh |
| 19:37.15 | BigBlockO | so there's really no reason to put it outside |
| 19:37.19 | ideafix | why did you asked that jim ? |
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| 19:37.35 | ideafix | do i look like i write c ? |
| 19:37.37 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 19:37.39 | crackbaby | grey: maybe apt-get could bail me out by re-installing? |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | crackbaby: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-$(uname -r), and only remove alsa driver modules this time =/ |
| 19:37.45 | abrotman | ideafix: i'd reformat everything .. |
| 19:37.50 | valdyn | crackbaby: that should fix it easily |
| 19:37.50 | asg | BigBlockO: better to put it inside and selectively allow access (or split it from both networks in a dmz) |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | ok .. not really |
| 19:37.53 | jim | ok... it's going to take longer for you to get stuff, simply because you don't do and aren't interested in doing the things that would lead you to more comprehensive experience and knowledge of linux/unix |
| 19:37.53 | greycat | valdyn: don't remove *any* modules. |
| 19:38.01 | mufa | when I run "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" it says "Operation not permited" (kernel 2.6.9, 82801EB/ER ICH5/ICH5R). Any idea how could I fix it? |
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| 19:38.08 | greycat | crackbaby: ignore the "remove..." part of his suggestion. don't remove anything. |
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| 19:38.12 | fly_80 | i have a question. where can i see the daemons starting at boot ? |
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| 19:38.20 | fly_80 | i have to toggle one of them |
| 19:38.20 | BigBlockO | when you say split it from both networks in a DMZ |
| 19:38.21 | ideafix | abrotman: thats the funniest thing ive ever eard ! |
| 19:38.21 | bl4ckh4t | Que motor de render es mejor Yafray o POV-Ray? |
| 19:38.22 | BigBlockO | what does that mean |
| 19:38.25 | crackbaby | "Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" |
| 19:38.26 | BigBlockO | i know what a DMZ is |
| 19:38.35 | BigBlockO | but what do you mean split it from both networks |
| 19:38.46 | crackbaby | must be at 2.6.8-2 now |
| 19:38.47 | jim | fly_80: /etc... rcS.d, rc2.d, /etc/init.d |
| 19:38.52 | stew | crackbaby: 2.6.8-1 has been replaced by 2.6.8-2 |
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| 19:39.05 | drini | fly_80: install rcconf |
| 19:39.10 | jim | fly_80, man init, man 5 inittab |
| 19:39.13 | fly_80 | jim, in all of that dir or just one of them ? |
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| 19:39.20 | tola | hi there. Does anyone here run sarge on a mission critical web server? I've been hanging onto Woody for so long but I've finally got bored of waiting for the next release. How safe is Sarge for web servers, in your opinion? |
| 19:39.21 | crackbaby | val: apt-get install kernel-image? |
| 19:39.23 | jim | explore the whole thing |
| 19:39.28 | jim | see how it works |
| 19:39.32 | tola | (I'm worried about the slow security updates) |
| 19:39.38 | jim | find out what programs are involved |
| 19:39.39 | fly_80 | ok |
| 19:39.47 | oKtosiTe | My dad's router-modem redirects requests for domainname.nl back to 192.168.2.80, which is good because that's the server hosting the site. I have recently moved the server though, and my own router-modem, doesn't seem to understand local requests for domainname.nl:80, because it accepts them itself, instead of forwarding back to the server, as it does for hosts on the internet... is there any way to change this behaviour? What should I b |
| 19:39.47 | oKtosiTe | e looking for? |
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| 19:40.01 | abrotman | !tell tola about sarge security issues |
| 19:40.19 | penguin | where are the docs for apache2 debian? |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | penguin: /usr/share/doc |
| 19:40.36 | penguin | Thank you |
| 19:40.36 | greycat | penguin: apt-cache search apache2 |
| 19:40.41 | crackbaby | could I get the needed oss files for 2.6.8-1 somewhere and copy them into /lib?\ |
| 19:40.41 | jim | penguin: or better question, where are the docs for any package |
| 19:40.48 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm rebooting now to get you the exact error |
| 19:40.49 | nvz | cool! OO.o has a .CSV text format that I can save this Excel Spreadsheet in for easier parsing :) this shit is beginning to look easy as hell. |
| 19:40.49 | penguin | OK |
| 19:40.52 | tola | abrotman: that link was broken for me :( |
| 19:41.11 | valdyn | crackbaby: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ( sorry again for my mistake, shouldnt change anything after that install and 1 reboot though ) |
| 19:41.16 | jim | oKtosiTe: your modem is probably not acting as a router. you can build one from a linux box. |
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| 19:41.26 | abrotman | tola: works fine here |
| 19:41.39 | J_P | exist anyone disk boot with woody where install have option for raid ? |
| 19:41.53 | crackbaby | val: it's installing now. I'm not pissed. everyone makes mistakes |
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| 19:42.02 | nvz | yeah buddy.. I can have this street list turned into a phone list in no time now... |
| 19:42.13 | panda` | how to edit the dillo start page? |
| 19:42.20 | jim | J_P: with woody, you'd have to install first on a normal drive then copy things to the raid |
| 19:42.33 | MrMeee | where do i fine the iptables file? |
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| 19:42.46 | stouset | MrMeee: There is no "iptables file" |
| 19:42.51 | crackbaby | val: after this installs, reboot? and try sound, right? |
| 19:42.54 | greycat | MrMeee: man iptables |
| 19:42.57 | valdyn | crackbaby: yea |
| 19:42.58 | greycat | MrMeee: ls /usr/share/doc/iptables |
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| 19:43.04 | tola | can anyone else see http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html ? |
| 19:43.05 | stouset | MrMeee: Check /usr/share/doc/iptables for documentation on it |
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| 19:43.10 | crackbaby | val: ok. I'll be back in a few |
| 19:43.12 | MrMeee | ok ty |
| 19:43.17 | tola | abrotman: perhaps a temporary DNS issue? |
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| 19:43.25 | abrotman | tola: could be .. can you resolve the IP ? |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | !nslookup merkel.debian.org |
| 19:43.36 | dondelelcaro | tola: yes... |
| 19:43.41 | stouset | MrMeee: The typical way to invoke iptables is through a /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ script |
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| 19:43.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: still not loaded eh? |
| 19:43.56 | dondelelcaro | merkel.debian.org A 192.25.206.16 |
| 19:44.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I disabled nslookup... |
| 19:44.05 | NixerX | has anyone used bonding here? |
| 19:44.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: wwsr |
| 19:44.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:44.10 | crackbaby | val: apt-get: /initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? |
| 19:44.11 | tola | 192.25.206.16 < -- me too :S |
| 19:44.14 | pandom | can I edit the dillo start page? |
| 19:44.15 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 19:44.15 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
| 19:44.16 | asg | abrotman: soonishly |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | it was a joke .. jeez |
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| 19:44.36 | asg | abrotman: estimates are security for sarge will be operational in 2 weeks |
| 19:44.41 | crackbaby | val: it seemed to complete ok, though |
| 19:44.52 | stouset | asg: So Sarge will be released sometime in 2007? :-) |
| 19:44.53 | crackbaby | val: just worried it won't reboot |
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| 19:45.05 | abrotman | asg: if not .. you buying beer for the channel ? |
| 19:45.08 | sontek | what all do i have to setup to route internet to other computers? i got 2 nics, I installed iptables, and i have Internet on this box (the box i'm trying to use as a router) what else needs to be done to use this server as the gateway/dns to the net? |
| 19:45.10 | dondelelcaro | stouset: no, it'll be released in N+30 or thereabouts days |
| 19:45.14 | tola | but I get connection refused putting http://192.25.206.16/ into Firefox |
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| 19:45.25 | greycat | pandom: you can do whatever you want. |
| 19:45.26 | asg | stouset: a month or two from the looks of things now |
| 19:45.48 | asg | stouset: that doesn't mean they won't all get together and decided to have another fight and we'll still be talking about this next year. |
| 19:45.55 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 19:45.55 | dondelelcaro | tola: then you're doing some wierd filtering or something |
| 19:46.08 | stouset | You know, I'm actually surprised that they're making Sarge 3.1 rather than 4.0. I know it's just a numbering scheme, but there have been a lot of massive changes made since Woody. GNOME 2, KDE 3, 2.6 kernel, debian-installer, etc... |
| 19:46.10 | pandom | greycat, where to find out that start page? |
| 19:46.25 | jim | sontek: get a computer with a pair of net cards (old one maybe for free from a junkyard or somethign), configure one nic to connect to outside internet, config other for inner net... then install ipmasq |
| 19:46.27 | valdyn | crackbaby: should be no problem, in emergency you could still boot your old kernel |
| 19:46.32 | abrotman | stouset: new to debian since woody released? |
| 19:46.37 | k-dog | stouset: major revs break backward compatibility. Minors don't. |
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| 19:46.44 | greycat | pandom: how the hell would I know? did you read the documentation yet? the web site? |
| 19:46.45 | stouset | abrotman: been using since early woody |
| 19:46.53 | crackbaby | val: ok, brb... hopefully |
| 19:47.02 | stouset | k-dog: ah :-) Well that makes sense then |
| 19:47.05 | greycat | pandom: it's either an external file or it's a URL or it's embedded in the source code. can't be anything else. have fun. |
| 19:47.08 | asg | stouset: that was debated some months ago and 3.1 was decided on. etch will likely be 4.0 |
| 19:47.10 | abrotman | stouset: debian releases infrequently .. each release is a major upgrade |
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| 19:47.30 | dondelelcaro | stouset: it's normal to only use minor releases unless something major has changed in the way Debian is released, or there's a major change that may break things. |
| 19:47.37 | stouset | abrotman: this I'm aware of, but still, it just "feels" like a major release. I'm sure this is due to nothing more than my own personal perception :-) |
| 19:47.42 | jim | sontek: ok, so is the other nic configured for internal addresses? |
| 19:47.45 | tola | dondelelcaro: I'm really not! Very odd. |
| 19:47.47 | dondelelcaro | rrr... .1 increments, instead of major numbers. |
| 19:48.08 | pandom | greycat, you said nothing |
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| 19:48.30 | oKtosiTe | jim: it's a router-modem combo, it is acting as a router |
| 19:48.46 | stouset | abrotman: we've really got to keep up, though. Mandrake is already at version 10, and Slackware is at 9! We're only at 3 :-( It's a race, dammit! |
| 19:49.06 | LSorense | Does anyone know what controls which log files are rotated? On sarge I have looked at /etc/logrotate.conf /etc/logrotate.d/*, /etc/syslog.conf, and grep -r /etc and I still have not found what rotates /var/log/messages although it certainly is being rotated. |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | stouset: it is a major release .. but they feel not worthy of 4.0 |
| 19:49.27 | dondelelcaro | LSorense: if you're using syslog, that one gets rotated by syslog |
| 19:49.39 | jim | oKtosiTe: well, its configuration isn't a debian question (maybe someone knows here, but this is not in any way guaranteed), and not even a linux question |
| 19:49.46 | sontek | jim, yeah |
| 19:49.50 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: even if not explicitly in the /etc/logrotate.d/syslogd file? |
| 19:49.54 | sontek | jim: so ipmasq is better than ip[tables? |
| 19:50.01 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: is that some implicit syslog feature? |
| 19:50.03 | dondelelcaro | LSorense: it's actually in a cronjob for syslog iirc. |
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| 19:50.03 | abrotman | different ? |
| 19:50.05 | jim | sontek: "better"? |
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| 19:50.15 | jim | it's for totally different purpose |
| 19:50.17 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: that is what I remembered too, but it isn't in the syslogd cron job anymore |
| 19:50.21 | oKtosiTe | jim, I know... |
| 19:50.22 | jim | install it, and see if you then get out |
| 19:50.32 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: hence why I am completely confused |
| 19:50.42 | jim | so then you know that "better" does not work between the two |
| 19:50.43 | stouset | abrotman: I felt the same way about the 2.6 kernel. Always thought it shoulda been 3.0... |
| 19:50.49 | dondelelcaro | LSorense: it could be intrinsic in syslog now... dunno, I use syslog-ng, and my /etc/logrotate.d/syslogng has the rotate for /var/log/messages |
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| 19:51.02 | abrotman | stouset: i don't care what they cal it .. i wish they'd stop mucking with it |
| 19:51.04 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: yeah, maybe I will go look at syslog source |
| 19:51.09 | BrutusLinux | can anyone tell me if it is possable to get Quake3 (linux version) to run on a dell laptop?............the game can't find libGL.so.1 which I have installed when I search for the file |
| 19:51.12 | asg | dondelelcaro: isn't it generated by /usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles? |
| 19:51.22 | sontek | jim: well, i read somewhere that ipmasq was outdated.. it might have been a bad source |
| 19:51.25 | gary | Is there a way that i can set an environment variable, so that it is always set and in all users accounts? |
| 19:51.32 | jim | sontek: again, |
| 19:51.36 | sontek | jim: How much configuration do I need to do to ipmasq? |
| 19:51.44 | jim | install it and see if your inside machines start getting out |
| 19:51.45 | jim | none |
| 19:51.54 | jim | that is, |
| 19:52.03 | stouset | I have to say, I'm extremely eager for sarge to get released. Even moreso because then we'll start getting some goodies like xorg and gnome 2.10 in unstable :-) |
| 19:52.14 | jim | none if your network cards are -fully- operational and in operating state |
| 19:52.25 | dondelelcaro | asg: could be. |
| 19:52.31 | pigor | one hardware question (if its not the place to aks, please tell me the right place): i have bought a second-hand pc. there is one harddisk connected to a RAID controller(which is on the motherboard). can i connect this harddisk to the IDE controller too? |
| 19:52.41 | jim | so sontek, can you ping the gateway from an internal machine? |
| 19:52.52 | jim | if so... ipmasq should just work |
| 19:53.01 | asg | dondelelcaro: hmmm, on sarge that returns syslog only; on sid messages, syslog, and kern.log |
| 19:53.04 | sontek | jim: yeah I can ping it but it doesn't work |
| 19:53.18 | dondelelcaro | gary: users can always change it... but you can set them in /etc/profile or whatever shell the users are running |
| 19:53.19 | jim | did you install ipmasq? |
| 19:53.23 | BucWheat2 | here is error message during bootup after my startup script runs: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. giving up. xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
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| 19:53.29 | sontek | jim: I have it setup eth0 dhcp from cable modem, eth1 = 192.168.168.252 with no gateway |
| 19:53.31 | BucWheat2 | then it just dumps to console |
| 19:53.33 | jim | did you install ipmasq? |
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| 19:53.42 | mwilson | stouset: But who cares about either one of those? |
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| 19:53.47 | sontek | jim: i did apt-get install ipmasq and then did /etc/init.d/ipmasq start |
| 19:53.54 | mwilson | stouset: It's not like xorg is any kind of big deal. |
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| 19:54.11 | crackbaby | valdyn: everything works great until gdm. I think nvidia module is broken for new kernel |
| 19:54.22 | BucWheat2 | greycat did you get that? |
| 19:54.29 | gary | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 19:54.30 | jetscreamer | what new kernel, 2.6.11? |
| 19:54.33 | sontek | jim: i have the client box setup to be 192.168.168.2 with dns and gateway of 192.168.168.252 |
| 19:54.41 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm bugging you because you were the last to help me with this problem |
| 19:54.44 | crackbaby | 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:54.51 | jim | why is the gateway not .1? |
| 19:54.53 | jetscreamer | iirc nvidia doesn't work with 2.6.11 but there's a new driver out though. |
| 19:54.55 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 19:54.55 | valdyn | crackbaby: how did you install your old nvidia module? |
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| 19:55.03 | Roldyx1 | Bus 001 Device 010: ID 04a9:309a Canon, Inc. PowerShot A80 |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | jim: does it really matter? |
| 19:55.14 | J_P | jim: i like do raid 0 in woody... you know anyone how to ? |
| 19:55.17 | sontek | jim: this computers ip is .252 once i get it working i'm gonna change it to .1 |
| 19:55.20 | crackbaby | valdyn: it was a while ago, but I compiled it the nvidia.bin way |
| 19:55.24 | jim | not really, but it is conventional |
| 19:55.27 | jetscreamer | that's .run |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | crackbaby: do it the same way again |
| 19:55.32 | Roldyx1 | i cant download my images |
| 19:55.32 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 19:55.32 | crackbaby | true |
| 19:55.39 | crackbaby | ok |
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| 19:55.44 | jim | sontek: so you don't have your net set up yet |
| 19:56.04 | sontek | i'm on the internet with this box which is gonna be the router |
| 19:56.05 | Roldyx1 | my camera is supported by gphoto2 |
| 19:56.08 | sontek | its ip is .252 |
| 19:56.13 | pigor | where can i ask hardware questions? |
| 19:56.17 | abrotman | #hardware |
| 19:56.18 | asg | #hardware |
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| 19:56.37 | pigor | oh ... so easy ;-) |
| 19:56.43 | jim | sontek: ok, you need to set it up so it -is- the router before we can continue |
| 19:56.44 | sontek | jim: i'm on the internet with this box and the client box can ping me locally |
| 19:56.57 | asg | pigor: if you mean hardware on which debian runs, though, here is probably a better place. |
| 19:57.06 | LSorense | dondelelcaro: oh, I missed /etc/cron.weekly/syslogd which was where things happen |
| 19:57.08 | crackbaby | i forget if I want nforce, or display drivers from http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html |
| 19:57.14 | jim | no wonder it wasn't working |
| 19:57.21 | sontek | i did. the local machine is setup to use it as the router. and it is directly plugged into the internet |
| 19:57.23 | crackbaby | display=graphics |
| 19:57.24 | LSorense | crackbaby: what are you trying to make work? |
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| 19:57.33 | crackbaby | my TNT2 card |
| 19:57.37 | jetscreamer | crackbaby, huh? |
| 19:57.40 | Roldyx1 | Bus 001 Device 010: ID 04a9:309a Canon, Inc. PowerShot A80 <--lsusb |
| 19:57.45 | jetscreamer | display=? |
| 19:57.51 | LSorense | crackbaby: install the nvidia drivers from debian. easy to do, and much less messy than using the 3rd party installer from nvidia |
| 19:57.51 | jim | ok, what is the address on the external nic card? |
| 19:57.59 | valdyn | crackbaby: if your gdm broke its obvious graphics i guess |
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| 19:58.11 | sontek | jim; if you whois me you'll get my outside ip |
| 19:58.32 | valdyn | LSorense: got to help him what his previous installation w/ nvidias installer already broke =/ |
| 19:58.33 | jim | sontek: no, I mean what is the address assigned to the nic |
| 19:58.35 | SquareRt | I know this is highly OT, but.. (famous last words, eh?) does anyone have an opinion on Robert Sedgewick's Algorithms in C and Algorithms in C++ book sets? |
| 19:58.51 | valdyn | LSorense: which is why i told him to use nvidias |
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| 19:59.02 | jim | SquareRt: extremely math oriented |
| 19:59.02 | sontek | jim; to the second nic? |
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| 19:59.08 | sontek | jim: 192.168.168.252 |
| 19:59.14 | dvs | SquareRt: Who's Robert Sedgewick? |
| 19:59.16 | SquareRt | jim: do you think they're useful? |
| 19:59.17 | jim | and to the other nic? |
| 19:59.19 | SquareRt | dvs: the author |
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| 19:59.31 | paster | "BucWheat2" at 148.65.193.166 pasted "X autologin w/o xdm,gdm,kdm, etc.." (21 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/347 |
| 19:59.36 | gary | Guys, my usb pen worked when i used kernel 2.4, but in 2.6 i cant even mount it. I have the usb-storage module loaded. In fstab i have the device: /dev/sda1 being mounted in /mnt/usb/ ..... actually i just thought, it may not be called that device anymore. What is the most common name for the usb storage device in kernel 2.6 ? |
| 19:59.42 | jim | SquareRt: have you taken all your undergrad engineering math? |
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| 19:59.54 | abrotman | gary: check dmesg |
| 19:59.54 | jim | up to ordinary differential equations? |
| 19:59.56 | BucWheat2 | please have a look see at my scripts. i have included error messages as well |
| 20:00.02 | SquareRt | erm, no... I'm doing A level math atm |
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| 20:00.12 | jim | what's a level? |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | first grad |
| 20:00.17 | abrotman | e |
| 20:00.22 | sontek | jim; nic1 is 24.147.24.172 or something like that (my cable model) and then nic2 is 192.168.168.252 (the switch) and then the client box is 192.168.168.2 (in the switch) and it has a gateway of 192.168.168.252 |
| 20:00.45 | jim | ok so you're using att? |
| 20:00.46 | stouset | !math |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
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| 20:00.49 | Pappa | wtf i just apt-got konqueror and all the icons in the file browser are so small i can hardly see them |
| 20:00.50 | ferris | my usb device is called sda1 gary |
| 20:00.50 | SquareRt | jim: things like differentiation by parts (dy/dx = du/dx * dy/du) |
| 20:00.52 | crackbaby | val: I'm trying it now (install new nvidia binary). brb |
| 20:00.56 | Nexus | So when doing an apt-get upgrade, why are some packages kept back? |
| 20:01.07 | abrotman | !tell nexus about held back |
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| 20:02.00 | jim | SquareRt: ok, so maybe sedgewick is more mathy than you want... or maybe not... in either case, it would be useful to have an instructor that knows the book well |
| 20:02.00 | greycat | BucWheat2: examine and fix /etc/X11/Xwrapper* |
| 20:02.12 | SquareRt | jim: product rule ( where y=uv dy/dx = vdu/dx + udv/dx )... quotient rule ( where y =u/v dy/dx = (vdu/dx - udv/dx)/v^2 ) etc |
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| 20:02.18 | Nexus | abrotman, Many thanks. :) |
| 20:02.26 | gary | Well abrotman: i tried to manually mount it and it said it is not a valid block device. Any ideas what the device may be called? |
| 20:02.26 | sk46 | how can i install a *.deb file |
| 20:02.34 | sontek | jim: it can ping my outer ip just can't ping like google.com |
| 20:02.34 | jim | sontek: ok, that does sound better |
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| 20:02.40 | jim | sk46: dpkg --help |
| 20:02.49 | SquareRt | jim: is that what you mean by differential equations? |
| 20:02.54 | SquareRt | (calculus et al) |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | gary: mine is /dev/sda1 .. did you compile your own kernel perhaps ? |
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| 20:03.09 | jim | SquareRt: nope, that's beyond calc |
| 20:03.14 | BucWheat2 | greycat k. will do. do my scripts look ok? |
| 20:03.17 | jidder | Sontek, dont you need to set up iptables? |
| 20:03.31 | jim | jidder: ipmasq should just work |
| 20:03.32 | SquareRt | jim: where does differential equations lie? we've done binomial theorem and maclaurin's series... |
| 20:03.44 | greycat | not that it's hard to get fire resistance while there. |
| 20:03.47 | gary | abrotman: nope, i just ran the image thing that i downloaded |
| 20:03.48 | greycat | bah. |
| 20:04.00 | stouset | SquareRt: I believe differential equations goes into nonlinear equations |
| 20:04.07 | jim | SquareRt: stuff like y'' + 2y' + 1 = 0 |
| 20:04.15 | sontek | jim: i can ping both nics from the client box (even though the 1st nic is an ip assigned from the modem) but it can't ping out to the web |
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| 20:04.29 | Pappa | idi you FORWARD it? |
| 20:04.29 | BucWheat2 | greycat Xwrapper.config has this: allowed_users=console |
| 20:04.29 | BucWheat2 | nice_value=0 |
| 20:04.33 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm man Xwrapper.config now |
| 20:04.36 | SquareRt | jim: apparently the maclaurin's series is useful for things like estimating pi... as the arcsine of 0 is pi... |
| 20:04.37 | jidder | jim: i have no clue. im reading about iptables right now to get my network started :) but whats the bennefints of ipmasq? |
| 20:04.39 | jim | sontek: what happens when you reboot the gateway |
| 20:05.11 | sontek | i'm the gateway |
| 20:05.12 | sontek | ;p |
| 20:05.18 | sontek | i'll brb |
| 20:05.22 | jim | ok |
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| 20:05.58 | gary | abrotman: i do this hooksy:/home/gary# ls /proc/bus/usb/ |
| 20:06.01 | gary | and theres nothing in there |
| 20:06.03 | SquareRt | jim: I don't know as if we've done things like y'' etc... we've done things with f''(x) etc... but dunno whether that counts |
| 20:06.04 | gary | hmm |
| 20:06.05 | gary | wierd |
| 20:06.25 | Pappa | sontek: iptables -I INPUT 1 -i ethNICCONNECTEDTOLAN -j ACCEPT; iptables -A FORWARD -i ethLAN -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A FORWARD -i ethWAN -d 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ethWAN -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; for f in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/rp_filter ; do echo 1 > $f ; done |
| 20:06.36 | mwilson | gary: Do you even have it mounted? |
| 20:06.42 | jim | Pappa: iptables will do all that for you |
| 20:06.49 | Pappa | that should "work", but you'll want security |
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| 20:07.07 | abrotman | gary: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:07.08 | jim | including the security stuff |
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| 20:07.08 | BucWheat2 | greycat setting allow_users to anybody and rebooting |
| 20:07.13 | Pappa | jim: then iptables is evil |
| 20:07.17 | jim | maybe |
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| 20:07.31 | Pappa | it shouldn't do anything unles i tell it too ;) |
| 20:07.35 | Pappa | unless* |
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| 20:08.01 | jim | ipmasq uses iptables (or ipchains or ipswadm) to do its thing |
| 20:08.11 | gary | mwilson: no, because i can't find the device of my usb drive |
| 20:08.22 | gary | abrotman: that doesn't work, it just outputs the syntax of dpkg |
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| 20:08.35 | abrotman | !tell gary about usb-storage |
| 20:08.37 | spiekey | hello! |
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| 20:08.45 | pder | I TRY THE LINUX AND IT IS CRAP |
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| 20:08.58 | sdogi | good, go away now |
| 20:08.59 | jim | pder: then use something else and now go away |
| 20:09.01 | spiekey | is there a config tool for isdn? to configure a isp? (testing) |
| 20:09.01 | greycat | pder: send it back for a refund. |
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| 20:09.07 | nvz | heh |
| 20:09.11 | nvz | a refund |
| 20:09.13 | Pappa | plz let him stay he amuses me |
| 20:09.19 | abrotman | !plz |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | from memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 20:09.20 | ferris | can debian run emacs without x11 support but with all the bells and whistles |
| 20:09.24 | stouset | pder: *the* Linux? |
| 20:09.27 | jim | there's almost 900 people here |
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| 20:09.47 | jim | every time he spouts, the server has to send his crap to 900 connections |
| 20:09.49 | spiekey | anyone? isdn config tool? |
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| 20:10.05 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm in !!! i'm in !!! i have succefully auto logged in :) the Xwrapper.config was my problem |
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| 20:10.07 | BucWheat2 | thanks man you rocks :) |
| 20:10.11 | jim | unless he has something useful to say, let him be quiet or get rid of him |
| 20:10.12 | abrotman | spiekey: better question "Anyone using isdn?" :) |
| 20:10.13 | stouset | jim: But the man has a valid concern. His linux is the crap. :-( |
| 20:10.19 | sontek | jim: still not working, I even killed iptables to see if my config was breaking it |
| 20:10.22 | crackbaby | valdyn: new nvidia failed to load. |
| 20:10.30 | crackbaby | now I have a new problem |
| 20:10.31 | pder | jim settle down |
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| 20:10.39 | greycat | pder: you started it. |
| 20:10.44 | Pappa | spiekey: isdnutils-xtools ? |
| 20:10.46 | pder | i was joking |
| 20:10.46 | greycat | pder: act civilized, or be quiet. |
| 20:10.47 | spiekey | Anyone using isdn? :) |
| 20:10.57 | spiekey | Pappa :not x ;) |
| 20:10.58 | stouset | spiekey: 10 years ago ;) |
| 20:10.59 | sdogi | lol |
| 20:11.12 | spiekey | on the shell |
| 20:11.12 | crackbaby | "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!" |
| 20:11.16 | gary | abrotman: i can't find the sd module. I try insmod sd but it doesn't find it |
| 20:11.19 | LSorense | crackbaby: which kernel version and which nvidia version? |
| 20:11.58 | crackbaby | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167, kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:12.00 | jim | pder: how could we tell that? either way it's trolling (i.e., for some specific response) but, you seem to be claiming you're reasonable so I take back the "or get rid of him" part |
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| 20:12.41 | pder | jim: i apologize. i thought it was obviously a joke |
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| 20:12.43 | LSorensen | crackbaby: well I really suggest using the nvidia mess's uninstall option to try and clean up the diaster it tends to make (it does NOT know where debian keeps libs for X in some cases and is just a bad idea. This isn't windows, don't treat it like it is). |
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| 20:12.56 | jim | pder: well it could have been I suppose |
| 20:13.12 | nvz | pder: take it to the comedy club :P |
| 20:13.13 | pder | the all caps and the poor grammar were hints |
| 20:13.14 | Pappa | isdnutils-base should have everything you need |
| 20:13.28 | LSorensen | crackbaby: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt says step for step how to do it the right way (that being the debian way) |
| 20:13.41 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.43 | valdyn | crackbaby: methinks you compiled against your old source / headers |
| 20:13.47 | jim | umm :) |
| 20:13.48 | nvz | a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to go to the comedy club tonight |
| 20:13.53 | sontek | jim: Do you have any idea why it wont work? |
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| 20:13.55 | valdyn | crackbaby: what LSorensen sais is good however |
| 20:13.56 | nvz | I might be out getting drunk all night |
| 20:14.06 | LSorensen | crackbaby: and remember, contrary to what microsoft suggest, don't ever run 3rd party installers that mess with system files. |
| 20:14.07 | pder | jim: lol you have that logged? |
| 20:14.16 | jim | pder: I do |
| 20:14.16 | crackbaby | so ./nvidia.... --uninstall, then follow instructions on that site? |
| 20:14.20 | greycat | !qotd |
| 20:14.20 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 20:14.21 | ferris | jim, no you can spin the cd on your finger |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | !qotd0 |
| 20:14.22 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 20:14.26 | pder | oh dear |
| 20:14.27 | LSorensen | crackbaby: certainly worth a shot. it has worked for other people before |
| 20:14.38 | greycat | !qotd36 |
| 20:14.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 20:14.49 | LSorensen | crackbaby: I have never used the nvidia installer myself (I went from the versions that you had to install manually, to the debian way) |
| 20:14.53 | nvz | then I will come online and annoy everyone .. heh |
| 20:15.07 | stouset | Looks like the gig is up, pder :-( |
| 20:15.21 | crackbaby | I'll give it a shot now |
| 20:15.24 | pder | darn |
| 20:15.36 | crackbaby | will having 2.6.8-1 AND 2.6.8-2 be a problem? |
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| 20:15.49 | LSorensen | crackbaby: it shouldn't be |
| 20:15.57 | LSorensen | crackbaby: as long as you tell it which one you want to use |
| 20:16.09 | crackbaby | holy crap! you wrote this |
| 20:16.09 | sontek | Ok heres my setup: eth0 dhcps from the cable modem (external ip |
| 20:16.11 | crackbaby | cheers |
| 20:16.24 | LSorensen | crackbaby: yes. It got tiresome walking people through it each time |
| 20:16.25 | jim | but half the time you're asking questions that suggest you have forexample network admin experience |
| 20:16.43 | pder | how ca i browser throught the quote of the days without annoying everyone? |
| 20:16.47 | nvz | actually if I know my friends right, I probably wont be back tonigt, to even get online and bother anyone.. heh |
| 20:16.48 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all, which KDE related package do I need for the KDE print system? There doesn't seem to be a kdeprint |
| 20:17.01 | Pappa | sontek: so ethWAN would be eth0 and ethLAN would be eth1 |
| 20:17.13 | jim | everything has to be part of kde, right? |
| 20:17.15 | sontek | Ok heres my setup: eth0 dhcps from the cable modem (external ip) eth1 has a static lan ip of 192.168.168.252. i have a windows xp box that has a static lan ip of 192.168.168.2 and dns/gateway of 192.168.168.252. I did aapt-get install ipmasq and it still doesn't work |
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| 20:17.45 | sontek | (i've started ipmasq/rebooted/everything0 |
| 20:18.03 | jim | sontek: did you do anything to the config of iptables? |
| 20:18.35 | sontek | jim: Yeah, I had a lot of stuff in there but I did /etc/init.d/iptables stop to test to see if thats what was causing it |
| 20:18.50 | jim | hmm, that could be it |
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| 20:19.10 | jim | could you back up your iptables configuration and purge iptables and reinstall it? |
| 20:19.30 | crackbaby | Lsorensen: good work. and a fellow canuck, I'm so proud of my country right now :0 |
| 20:20.03 | Pappa | sontek: try http://rafb.net/paste/results/rsVJLs27.html |
| 20:20.09 | sontek | jim: ok, i'm purging now. How do I remove startup scripts? I used to have apache on here and it still has its startup script in /etc/init.d |
| 20:20.36 | Pappa | update-rc.d -f scriptname remove |
| 20:20.41 | Pappa | :) |
| 20:20.46 | sontek | yeah, samething happened with iptables. after I purged it it still has its startup scripts there |
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| 20:20.52 | jim | sontek: purging the package will remove config files |
| 20:21.00 | crackbaby | LSorensen: apt-get kernel-image made no mention of getting headers |
| 20:21.05 | Pappa | iptables has startup scripts? |
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| 20:21.19 | jim | there's two kinds of debian package remove: plain remove and purge |
| 20:21.21 | crackbaby | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686.... |
| 20:21.21 | stouset | Pappa: they're recommended against |
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| 20:21.48 | Pappa | i dont have any whatsoever lol |
| 20:22.01 | sontek | after doing update-rc.d -f iptables remove I go to /etc/init.d/ and there is still iptables and iptables2 in there |
| 20:22.05 | Henning | stouset: Do you happen to know why that is so? |
| 20:22.21 | Pappa | sontek: that doesnt matter, it doesnt start at boot now |
| 20:22.23 | jim | sontek: dpkg --purge iptables |
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| 20:22.27 | sontek | Pappa: I can't checkout your config because i'm in links ;p |
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| 20:22.33 | jim | you might need --force-depends |
| 20:22.37 | crackbaby | apt-get can't find nvidia-kernel-source, just nvidia-kernel-common. is that ok? |
| 20:22.38 | stouset | Henning: the iptables maintainer was asked to do it and did, even though he thinks it's a crappy solution |
| 20:22.48 | jim | then apt-get install iptables |
| 20:22.57 | stouset | Henning: so he says they're there, but suggests you avoid them at all costs |
| 20:22.58 | Pappa | sontek: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rsVJLs27.txt :p |
| 20:23.03 | hexxeh | crackbaby, no, it's not. |
| 20:23.13 | Henning | stouset: This is only included in sid right? I haven't seen any in sarge. |
| 20:23.15 | Pappa | wget it sontek |
| 20:23.17 | hexxeh | crackbaby, you didn't read the factoid. you need non-free, contrib, and sid sources |
| 20:23.18 | mwilson | jim: You'll note that he removed runlevel links, not the package, I'm sure. |
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| 20:23.31 | sontek | jim: will ipmasq work without iptables? (so we can get masquerading working and then I'll shell in and setup iptales) |
| 20:23.32 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 20:23.34 | jim | mwilson: yeah... |
| 20:23.37 | Henning | stouset: Personally I use my own solution, which is crappy as well but it's just a couple of rules so it's ok for my use :) |
| 20:23.40 | daww | I have a dir (/work/) where I want all created files to have chmod 775, how can I do this? |
| 20:23.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6.11' returned no results. |
| 20:23.42 | Pappa | i run sid, never seen a single iptables script |
| 20:23.47 | sontek | Pappa: haha yeah but I don't have a mouse, how do I copy the url to a new terminal :P |
| 20:23.55 | stouset | Henning: what's recommended is a script in /etc/networking/if-pre-up.d/ |
| 20:23.59 | jim | sontek: you don't want to alter the base configuration of iptables |
| 20:24.00 | jetscreamer | sontek, man screen |
| 20:24.10 | mwilson | daww: Why would you want all files there to be executable? |
| 20:24.15 | jim | sontek: did you purge it yet? |
| 20:24.15 | valdyn | crackbaby: get it from http://packages.debian.org for example |
| 20:24.15 | sontek | jetscreamer: I know how to use screen. But i'm not using it at the moment.. |
| 20:24.16 | Pappa | depends on the terminal |
| 20:24.21 | sontek | jim: yeah its purged |
| 20:24.27 | sontek | jim: want me reinstall anyways? |
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| 20:24.55 | Henning | stouset: Interesting, is there any discussions/articles about this that you know of availabe from debian.org perhaps? |
| 20:24.55 | jim | Pappa: hold up, we are trying to let ipmasq create the rules automatically (and dynamically) |
| 20:24.58 | crackbaby | you're right. I was missing unstable sources |
| 20:25.04 | stouset | cd /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 20:25.04 | jepel_tailweaver | just to confirm, (always check twice rm once), I *can* clean out /var/cache/apt/archives, right? |
| 20:25.18 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: No, you have no reason to delete anything in there. |
| 20:25.22 | jim | sontek: yeah, install iptables again |
| 20:25.27 | stouset | jepel_tailweaver: no, this will bork the system |
| 20:25.37 | mwilson | jepel_tailweaver: Instead, actually bother reading the apt-get man page, and learn how to manage your system. |
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| 20:25.39 | crackbaby | now, it tells me to reboot after installing new kernel, but I can't boot to X in new kernel |
| 20:25.42 | jim | I don't know what iptables2 is, nor whether ipmasq can use that |
| 20:25.43 | stouset | jepel_tailweaver: it needs a "partial" directory in there. Just use apt-get clean. |
| 20:25.49 | jepel_tailweaver | stouset, thanks |
| 20:26.01 | hexxeh | crackbaby, so? reboot, fix x, restart x |
| 20:26.03 | sontek | jim: ok its downloaded and install |
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| 20:26.37 | crackbaby | ok, brb |
| 20:26.49 | sontek | jim: I installed it, started it, and restarted ipmasq, still nothing :P |
| 20:26.58 | jim | ok, now do /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop && iptables -F && /etc/ipmasq start |
| 20:27.32 | stouset | jim: s'/etc/ipmasq'/etc/init.d/ipmasq' |
| 20:27.38 | jim | this is really strange... unless you have something weird going on, this should work |
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| 20:27.46 | jim | stouset: thanks |
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| 20:27.58 | jim | ok, now do /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop && iptables -F && /etc/init.d/ipmasq start |
| 20:28.00 | jim | grin |
| 20:28.12 | daww | mwilson, that doen't matter, do you know how to fix it so I don't need to execute chmod 775 on each new file in /work/? |
| 20:28.49 | jetscreamer | !seen peterS |
| 20:28.50 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 67696 messages. Is idling for 9h 2m 20s |
| 20:28.50 | stouset | daww: best I know, it's not possible really |
| 20:28.54 | jim | if that doesn't work, either something has changed I'm not aware of or something really weird is going on... in either case, somethign really weird is going on |
| 20:28.59 | gary | abrotman: any other ideas. I ahve the sd_mod inserted now |
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| 20:29.10 | abrotman | gary: install hotplug ? |
| 20:29.13 | stouset | daww: directories can't contain inheritable permissions, only ownership |
| 20:29.18 | gary | I had that already |
| 20:29.24 | gary | I've been googling as well |
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| 20:29.37 | abrotman | gary: dmesg doesn't say anything if you plugitin/out ? |
| 20:29.44 | greycat | !wikifaq daww Permissions |
| 20:29.45 | dpkg | daww: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:30.03 | Nexus | I'm not able to get the stylesheet to work for nagios for some reason. hasn't worked for 2 upgrades now. Anyone got the stylesheet working in nagios under debian? tac.css? |
| 20:30.19 | Pythos | I would like to change how my debian system allows users to see eachothers dir's or NOT. There was a basic config time option for that, and I can't find it now. Any suggestions? |
| 20:30.19 | stouset | Nagios...*shudder* |
| 20:30.24 | sontek | jim: i'm gettialskjf |
| 20:30.27 | sontek | woh |
| 20:30.29 | stouset | Pythos: /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 20:30.34 | mwilson | daww: I don't suppose you'd actually identify the problem you're trying to solve, rather than the one you think you're trying to solve? |
| 20:30.40 | stouset | Or, alternatively, dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 20:30.44 | sontek | jim: i'm getting a thing that says Martian source 255.255.255.0 192.168.168.1 |
| 20:30.50 | Nexus | stouset, Why don't you like nagios? :) |
| 20:30.54 | BigBlockO | quick question: how do i reconfigure my IP address manually rather than using DHCP? |
| 20:30.56 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, nachos. |
| 20:30.57 | jim | !dict gettialskjf |
| 20:31.03 | stouset | Nexus: Reading its configuration files makes my head hurt tremendously |
| 20:31.06 | ricky_clarkson | BigBlockO: ifconfig or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.06 | mwilson | BigBlockO: man 5 interfaces |
| 20:31.08 | jepel_tailweaver | BigBlockO, man ifconfig |
| 20:31.10 | gary | no it doesn |
| 20:31.13 | gary | doesnt abrotman |
| 20:31.15 | BigBlockO | cool |
| 20:31.25 | BigBlockO | and if i use ifconfig will it be permenent? |
| 20:31.29 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 20:31.29 | abrotman | gary: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 20:31.34 | stouset | BigBlockO: no, man 5 interfaces |
| 20:31.37 | Pythos | thnaks, stouset |
| 20:31.38 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 20:31.46 | stouset | no |
| 20:31.47 | stouset | er |
| 20:31.48 | stouset | np |
| 20:31.50 | Nexus | stouset, Now that I can definitely agree with... |
| 20:31.56 | gary | abrotman: no. I just did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.... |
| 20:32.11 | jim | sontek: hmmm, the answer might be that ipmasq assumes the gateway is .1? except that doesn't make sense because it's possible to determine the gateway |
| 20:32.13 | stouset | Nexus: let's put it succinctly; it's harder to configure Nagios than to install Woody ;) |
| 20:32.19 | abrotman | gary: i don't see any reason it shouldn't work .. |
| 20:32.23 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak look at abrotman |
| 20:32.24 | dpkg | hehe look at abrotman mouarf |
| 20:32.24 | BigBlockO | !find emacs |
| 20:32.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'emacs' (15 of 41): acl2-emacs ;; aleph-emacs ;; cxref-emacs ;; devhelp-book-emacs ;; emacs-chess ;; emacs-chess-pieces ;; emacs-goodies-el ;; emacs-goodies-extra-el ;; emacs-intl-fonts ;; emacs-lisp-intro ;; emacs-lisp-intro-ja ;; emacs-manual-ja ;; emacs-wiki ;; emacs21 ;; emacs21-bin-common. |
| 20:32.30 | gary | awww |
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| 20:32.35 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: say what? |
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| 20:32.41 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: what? |
| 20:32.45 | abrotman | lovely |
| 20:32.46 | Pappa | please apt-cache search next time :p |
| 20:32.47 | sontek | jim, I think its getting it from the router we're plugged into for some reason (I'm using the router as a switch) |
| 20:32.52 | gary | abrotman: it seems to me that debian just doesn't know where the usb device is |
| 20:32.53 | greycat | !info emacs-chess-pieces |
| 20:32.55 | dpkg | emacs-chess-pieces: (XPM images of chess pieces for emacs-chess), section games, is extra. Version: 2.0b5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 11976 kB |
| 20:33.01 | abrotman | gary: uhm .. it doesn't even see it |
| 20:33.03 | jim | sontek: is there anything preventing you from setting the internal IP to .1? |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | at least from what you're saying |
| 20:33.09 | greycat | 484 kB to 11976 kB?? |
| 20:33.12 | gary | yea |
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| 20:33.17 | greycat | that's one hell of a compression ratio. |
| 20:33.19 | gary | abrotman: strange |
| 20:33.34 | gary | abrotman: any ideas how to get it to even notice it |
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| 20:33.52 | abrotman | gary: yeah ... load the modules :) |
| 20:33.56 | jim | see ipmasq should get that info from the routing table and from the ifconfig output |
| 20:34.11 | sontek | jim, no, just a sec i'll set it and brb |
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| 20:34.54 | stouset | greycat: plain text compresses like you wouldn't believe. |
| 20:35.06 | ricky_clarkson | plntxtcmprsslksms |
| 20:35.11 | greycat | stouset: not *that* well. but repetitive plain text like XPMs... |
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| 20:35.27 | ricky_clarkson | Surely an XPM is not plain text. |
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| 20:35.33 | Pappa | ricky_clarkson: yes it is |
| 20:35.34 | Pappa | lol |
| 20:35.36 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: look at one in less some day. |
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| 20:35.39 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: yes. |
| 20:35.41 | gary | abrotman: heh, i have usb_storage, usb-storage, sd_mod inserted |
| 20:35.44 | Pappa | it's a struct |
| 20:35.47 | ricky_clarkson | It might be text but it's not plain text. |
| 20:35.56 | Pappa | it is plain text. |
| 20:35.57 | cafuego | especially chess pieces, they'd be mainly black/white on a background too. |
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| 20:36.14 | abrotman | gary: what about your like .. usb_uchi ? or whatever it is |
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| 20:36.24 | gary | yea ithink have that too |
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| 20:36.34 | ricky_clarkson | I rarely see plain text that looks like " .&&&&&&&&&&&.@@@#.&&&&&&&&&. ", |
| 20:37.15 | Pappa | ricky_clarkson: read. it could be .AAAAAAAAAA.BBB. as well |
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| 20:37.30 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Are you one of those lamers that needs gpg to decrypt and view email? ;-) |
| 20:37.45 | gary | abrotman: it is in my /etc/modules, but it doesnt get loaded. When i try manually it says it cant find it |
| 20:37.48 | EdibleText | ricky_clarkson, that looks like part of an ADOM map |
| 20:37.49 | gary | maybe that is the cause |
| 20:38.03 | Pappa | the & char can f. example represent #FEADFE in html |
| 20:38.03 | abrotman | gary: sounds like it .. did you try loading discover at all? |
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| 20:38.27 | jeff_ | can one of you guys kindly help me in using cdrdao |
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| 20:38.57 | gary | abrotman: not sure what discover is |
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| 20:39.08 | cafuego | [mycroft]: nothing. starting ppp with 'pon' will load the drivers if they're present. |
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| 20:39.11 | abrotman | !discover |
| 20:39.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, discover is a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
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| 20:39.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: his convert module is gone too? |
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| 20:39.54 | sontek | jim: Something weird is happening. The martian source is the router i'm using as switch |
| 20:40.02 | jidder | exit |
| 20:40.07 | sontek | jim: its ip is 192.168.1.1 but i'm 192.168.168.1 |
| 20:40.17 | jim | weird |
| 20:40.28 | ricky_clarkson | sontek: What's the problem? |
| 20:40.32 | jim | so switches have IPs but hubs don't |
| 20:40.45 | ricky_clarkson | Switches don't need IPs afaik. |
| 20:40.46 | jim | and so you have to configure the switch? |
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| 20:41.01 | dhuv | i am having problems with standby with apm, i had it working properly before but i recently upgraded to 2.6.11 and its not working. the battery meter is very reliable, but if i put the system in standby, it will give me only a blank screen when bringing it back |
| 20:41.12 | tcp|p | whats that program that configures your grafics? xfree something I think |
| 20:41.21 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 20:41.22 | dpkg | from memory, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:41.24 | jim | sontek: what's your netmask on the internal nic of the gateway? |
| 20:41.29 | ricky_clarkson | A switch is just a hub which logs ARP traffic to tell which port to send stuff down, rather sending everything everywhere, afaik. |
| 20:41.43 | sontek | jim: no, I have a linksys router. I was using that as my router but now changing everything to use my sparc. But i'm getting Martian Destination 0.0.0.0 from 192.168.1.1 and that ip is the linksys router |
| 20:41.52 | gary | abrotman: i can't seem to find the package that contains the usb_ohci and usb_uhci modules anywhere |
| 20:42.10 | abrotman | gary: they are kernel modules |
| 20:42.11 | dvs | gary: kernel-image.... |
| 20:42.12 | sontek | jim: 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:42.20 | tcp|p | cafuego: isn't there a program I can run at console though? |
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| 20:42.28 | drac | gary: uchi_hcd and ohci_hcd are names of those. |
| 20:42.35 | jim | sontek: so are you using the linksys router after the dsl? cable? modem? |
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| 20:43.02 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Uh, there's a LITTLE more to it than that. :) |
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| 20:43.19 | greycat | Oh! Happy Pi Day! |
| 20:43.27 | greycat | (belated for those in the far east) |
| 20:43.28 | dvs | gary: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '[eu]hci_hcd' |
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| 20:43.45 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: What like? (I might have to implement one in a simulation soon) |
| 20:43.46 | quif | I just found out my school has 2 nuclear reactors... |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | quif: and? |
| 20:44.06 | quif | kinda weird |
| 20:44.11 | robewald | hi, I have a laptop and would like to detect wheter a monitor is present on the vga port via a script, is that possible? |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | not really |
| 20:44.21 | ricky_clarkson | a particle in a pear tree accelerator. |
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| 20:44.39 | ricky_clarkson | There's a joke there but I just couldn't tell it. |
| 20:45.14 | gary | hey it works now !!! |
| 20:45.18 | sontek | jim: What is the "network" option for in interfaces? I set it at 192.168.168.0 |
| 20:45.23 | gary | drac: that seemed to help. I added those modules |
| 20:45.25 | dvs | gary: What did you do? |
| 20:45.31 | sontek | jim: And I went and grabbed a switch so i'm not getting the martian things anymore |
| 20:45.35 | gary | modprobed those two modules that drac said about |
| 20:45.39 | quif | abrotman: what if someone was just messing around and, dunno, made it explode |
| 20:45.48 | gary | the only thing is, it detects the usb drive, but never actually mounts it. I still have to manualyl mount it |
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| 20:45.54 | abrotman | quif: does that bother you? .. which uni is this? |
| 20:45.59 | dvs | gary: You only need one of those |
| 20:46.03 | quif | ncsu |
| 20:46.03 | drac | gary: There is also echi_hcd. That's USB 2.0. |
| 20:46.09 | abrotman | quif: north carolina? |
| 20:46.14 | quif | yup |
| 20:46.21 | jim | sontek: it's starting to look like you have more than one net on the internal wire: 192.168.1.* and 192.168.168.* |
| 20:46.31 | gary | lol, sooo complicated ! |
| 20:46.31 | gary | lol |
| 20:46.33 | abrotman | quif: dunno .. my uni had one like 10 years ago .. so did another that i applied to |
| 20:46.39 | henrik__ | has anyone here tried building mozilla on ubuntu ? for me it builds but its segfaults at startup |
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| 20:46.47 | abrotman | henrik__: wrong channel |
| 20:46.49 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 20:46.49 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
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| 20:46.52 | daww | Can I add root to Group x, and if, how? |
| 20:46.53 | gary | How can i get the usb drive to mount straight away? |
| 20:47.00 | ricky_clarkson | gary: man fstab |
| 20:47.09 | k-dog | gary: autofs trickery, prolly. |
| 20:47.13 | dvs | daww: You shouldn't have to add root to any group |
| 20:47.13 | gary | i already have an entry there |
| 20:47.15 | sontek | jim: The linksys router that I had plugged in (192.168.1.1) wasn't in use.. And i'm not plugged into that anymore. I grabbed a switch. |
| 20:47.19 | vile_maxim | I'm trying to setup a TV tuner card and I got a little lost here. The card is a Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP. |
| 20:47.22 | k-dog | gary: Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) do that through their GUI file manglers |
| 20:47.23 | henrik__ | abrotman: which channel then ? and please don't say #ubuntu 'cos I tried there |
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| 20:47.31 | gary | ricky_clarkson: i have an entry in fstab, i'll read up on it anyway |
| 20:47.39 | ricky_clarkson | gary: What is your entry? |
| 20:47.39 | gary | k-dog: ahh, i'm using fluxbox |
| 20:47.43 | gary | i'll show you |
| 20:47.47 | ricky_clarkson | Amazing. |
| 20:47.55 | sontek | jim: I have eth0 external ip, eth1 internal ip 192.168.168.1, and lo 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:47.57 | jim | sontek: you might want to remove the linksys entirely, not connected to anything |
| 20:47.58 | tcp|p | how can I manually configure my monitor in debian? |
| 20:48.03 | gary | /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user 0 0 |
| 20:48.06 | dvs | vile_maxim: I have a Leadtek Winfast 2000 XP card. |
| 20:48.08 | greycat | !drxx tcp|p |
| 20:48.09 | dpkg | tcp|p: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:48.11 | vile_maxim | with cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/tmp.mpg I get cat: /dev/video0: Input/output error |
| 20:48.13 | greycat | !faq |
| 20:48.13 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:48.15 | tcp|p | it's saying the highest resolution I can get is 800x600 on a radeon 9700 pro |
| 20:48.21 | ricky_clarkson | gary: Try adding ",auto" after "user" (without quotes). |
| 20:48.27 | sontek | yeah, this computer (gateawy) and the client are no longer plugged into the linksys |
| 20:48.28 | greycat | tcp|p: monitor determines resolution, not video card. |
| 20:48.29 | tcp|p | ok |
| 20:48.30 | tcp|p | thank you |
| 20:48.41 | vile_maxim | dvs do you have any troble shoot tips |
| 20:48.47 | cafuego | greycat: Well, neatly right. |
| 20:48.47 | daww | dvs, I want root to have write access to files in /work/ without having to use chmod on each new file |
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| 20:48.57 | k-dog | gary: Mind I haven't done this myself, but with autofs, a symlink from /mnt/usbdrive to /var/autofs/misc/usbdrive, and an appropriate /etc/auto.misc should do the trick. |
| 20:49.06 | k-dog | gary: The devil's in the details |
| 20:49.11 | greycat | cafuego: as long as video memory is adequate, which should be the case on a radeon. |
| 20:49.12 | cafuego | greycat: you're not going to have much like with a 21" widescreen LCD and an EGA gfx card. |
| 20:49.14 | dvs | vile_maxim: No, just load the bttv module |
| 20:49.28 | cafuego | s/like/luck/ |
| 20:49.33 | dvs | daww: root has permission to everything. |
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| 20:49.40 | vile_maxim | dvs, yeah, got that... |
| 20:49.40 | k-dog | Two X issues: cheap, old card. fscks up console resetting it to 80x25 from 80x60. Any way to fix that (not a biggie). |
| 20:49.53 | k-dog | ...and kdm at 16 bpp has colormap problems. |
| 20:49.59 | greycat | k-dog: don't exit X :) |
| 20:50.03 | abrotman | don't use X ? |
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| 20:50.07 | cafuego | k-dog: don't run kdm |
| 20:50.08 | daww | dvs, * want x to have access to write to files in /work/ |
| 20:50.12 | dvs | vile_maxim: Then install xawtv and watch TV |
| 20:50.14 | gary | ricky_clarkson: that doesn't seem to work |
| 20:50.21 | gary | k-dog: i will in just a second |
| 20:50.22 | k-dog | !shoot greycat |
| 20:50.31 | k-dog | cafuego: I like it for remote logins. |
| 20:50.41 | sontek | jim: in windows XP usually it has connection-specific DNS suffx like "Comcast" or whatever. Its not doing that with mine. Should it? |
| 20:50.52 | cafuego | k-dog: gdm is better in almost every respect. |
| 20:50.52 | k-dog | cafuego: ...in a classroom/lab situation. It lists users in the sidebar. Otherwise, yeah, I'd go with wdm. |
| 20:50.53 | daww | dvs, and I dont want to run chmod for giving x write permission each time I create a file in /work/ |
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| 20:51.04 | k-dog | cafuego: Except, of course, that it's gnome ;-) |
| 20:51.15 | cafuego | k-dog: It respects .xsession |
| 20:51.16 | vile_maxim | dvs, what kernel version you using? |
| 20:51.18 | jim | sontek: not sure what you mean by that... do you mean it's not getting a dns address? |
| 20:51.19 | vile_maxim | dvs, I get static.... which seem like I must eb getting something |
| 20:51.30 | vile_maxim | dvs, so the error with cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/tmp.mpg is nothing to be worried about |
| 20:51.32 | Paganist | something i am wondering about is on extx fs the owner of files is defined by the UID/GID right ? or by the name of the owner and name of the group... because if defined by UID/GID and not by the names, when you put a disk to an other computer, owners might be changed to an other person... this might be an issue security wise if the admin doesn't check it... unless there's a protection over it, is there ? How it works ? GID/UID o |
| 20:51.32 | Paganist | r names... ? |
| 20:51.37 | jim | sontek:: also, are things starting to clear up now? |
| 20:51.39 | dvs | vile_maxim: Currently, 2.6.11.2 |
| 20:51.41 | sontek | jim: I defined its dns address as 192.168.168.1 |
| 20:51.43 | k-dog | cafuego: kdm doesn't? |
| 20:51.47 | Paganist | same question about reiser |
| 20:51.51 | sontek | jim: I'm not getting the martian source anymore but its still not working |
| 20:51.54 | cafuego | k-dog: Not last time Ic ehcked, no. |
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| 20:52.10 | abrotman | Paganist: why would you change the UID of a user ? |
| 20:52.15 | jim | sontek: ok, try this from the gateway: |
| 20:52.16 | greycat | what the hell is a 2.6.11.2? |
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| 20:52.23 | greycat | were there TWO brown paper bag releases? |
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| 20:52.25 | cafuego | greycat: an old kernel. |
| 20:52.32 | abrotman | greycat: check kerneltrap for notes about kernel version numbering |
| 20:52.36 | mwilson | cafuego: Uh, isn't it a NEW kernel? |
| 20:52.48 | sontek | jim: nameresolv isn't working. I just pinged googles ip from the client |
| 20:52.52 | cafuego | mwilson: No, that would be 2.6.11.3 |
| 20:52.53 | dvs | greycat: The "latest" stable kernel |
| 20:52.54 | sontek | jim: but I can't ping google.com |
| 20:52.56 | mwilson | greycat: That's the latest stupidity from the kernel devs regarding numbering. |
| 20:53.05 | greycat | dear god. |
| 20:53.07 | mwilson | cafuego: Oh, there's a .3? My bad, didn't know. |
| 20:53.09 | greycat | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.11.3 |
| 20:53.10 | daww | dvs, ok, how do I set File Group for /work/? |
| 20:53.11 | dvs | mwilson: yup, I agree |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | greycat: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4827 |
| 20:53.15 | jim | ok, so your connection IS working, it's just dns that is not? |
| 20:53.20 | greycat | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:53.26 | gary | Well k-dog, abrotman dvs, drac, dondelelcaro, thanks for your help. I'll have to look at the auto mount thing another time. I've got to do some work! I've just spend the last hour sorting out problems. Thanks again! |
| 20:53.26 | sontek | jim: yeah` |
| 20:53.33 | sontek | jim: what do I have to do to get dns working? |
| 20:53.33 | cafuego | mwilson: Yeah, saw it last night. has somewhat more changes that 2.6.11.1 or 2.6.11.2 did |
| 20:53.35 | jim | ok, that might be progress |
| 20:53.37 | daww | dvs, I saw that /home/x/ had File Group: x, I want to do the same with /work/ |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | greycat: basically .. iirc .. 2.6.x is "unstable" .. while 2.6.x.y is stable .. or some crap like that |
| 20:53.53 | greycat | abrotman: yeah, reading... |
| 20:53.59 | dvs | daww: I don't know |
| 20:54.00 | mwilson | cafuego: <shrug> Still trying to find reasons to move off of 2.6.5 here. |
| 20:54.05 | daww | dvs, ok |
| 20:54.08 | jim | sontek: do you have a dns server installed on the gateway? |
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| 20:54.19 | LSorensen | abrotman: well 2.6.x.y are minor fixes to the stabe release 2.6.x |
| 20:54.27 | sontek | jim, no, I thought all I needed was ipmasq |
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| 20:54.33 | Paganist | abrotman: i mean, and user called "bill" could have a UID on a machine, and a different UID on an other machine, so when you transfert a data-only hard drive from a machine to an other, if extfs is thinking in terms of UID's the bill's UID on machine 1 can be steve's UID on machine 2, meaning tranfering the hard drive from a comp to an other would give bill's files to steve... |
| 20:54.33 | k-dog | cafuego: OK, 16bpp fixed the colormap bit. |
| 20:54.35 | mwilson | LSorensen: 2.6.x isn't a stable release, as per the kernel devs. |
| 20:54.45 | sdogi | how can i make my system not run X, it seems to be not controlled by runlevels as i'm used to |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | LSorensen: they make it seem a bit more drastic than that .. like you'd be crazy to use a 2.6.x on a production system |
| 20:54.49 | greycat | !pal linux2.6 |
| 20:54.49 | jim | sontek: what dns server does your client box use to lookup names? |
| 20:54.50 | Paganist | unless it uses names and not UID/GID |
| 20:54.54 | ricky_clarkson | sdogi: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:54.55 | LSorensen | mwilson: hmm, I hadn't seen them say it like that |
| 20:54.56 | greycat | sdogi: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:54.58 | greycat | !win ricky_clarkson |
| 20:55.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:55.05 | sdogi | thanks |
| 20:55.08 | Paganist | that's where my question came from |
| 20:55.11 | ricky_clarkson | Who was first? Frankenstein's monster? |
| 20:55.15 | abrotman | Paganist: try it .. let us konw |
| 20:55.21 | jim | dpkg: so there were only two contestants? |
| 20:55.30 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: probably a badger. |
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| 20:55.46 | ricky_clarkson | I take a fence at that. |
| 20:55.48 | mwilson | Seeing all the stupidity the 2.6 kernel has gone through lately, anyone would be a fool to use a recent one. |
| 20:55.48 | Paganist | abrotman: i'm asking about it... it's because i can test right now, just wondered |
| 20:56.08 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Or a ricer. |
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| 20:56.48 | jim | sontek: what dns server does your client box use to lookup names? |
| 20:56.57 | sontek | jim: the gateway |
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| 20:57.02 | sontek | jim: I want the gateway to be the full router |
| 20:57.06 | stouset | mwilson: what's wrong with the 2.6 kernel currently? |
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| 20:57.09 | jim | then the gateway has to have a dns server running |
| 20:57.16 | bouncing | So after updating sarge (withholdiing the kernel), my sound card mysteriously unconfigured itself. |
| 20:57.18 | daww | How can I add /work/ to Group x? |
| 20:57.19 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, I imagine Gentoobies the world over are whining about the kernel now. |
| 20:57.26 | jim | install one, and everything should start working |
| 20:57.33 | sontek | jim: what is a good dns server? |
| 20:57.43 | jim | I dunno :) I use bind9 |
| 20:57.50 | stouset | bouncing: check /var/log/aptitude.log for recent changes |
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| 20:58.04 | jim | but that's cause I've used it for a long time and it doesn't fail |
| 20:58.08 | cafuego | mwilson: I thought Gentoobies LIKED recompiling everything at the drop of a hat? |
| 20:58.23 | sontek | jim: how much configuration needs to be done to get dns working? |
| 20:58.31 | jim | sontek: none |
| 20:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Yeah, but they also like things to work. |
| 20:58.43 | sontek | jim: so if I apt-get install bind9 it'll work? |
| 20:58.51 | jim | just install it, and it will start by way of the debian packaging |
| 20:58.52 | bouncing | stouset: Nothing too exciting in there. Is there a command I can run to reconfigure /dev/dsp? |
| 20:58.55 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Oh, they found out they can't compile a kernel with gcc 4.0? |
| 20:59.03 | jim | and also arrange to start at boot |
| 20:59.07 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Dunno, it was mwilson's conjecture, not mine. |
| 20:59.11 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Oh, no, functionality is never high for a Gentoobie. |
| 20:59.11 | stouset | bouncing: /dev/dsp doesn't get configured...it's just a device |
| 20:59.28 | mwilson | cafuego: The problem for the Gentoobies now would be "which is the latest kernel"? :) |
| 20:59.30 | stouset | bouncing: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 20:59.52 | jim | maan, that was a lot of undoing :) |
| 20:59.55 | bouncing | stouset: /dev/dsp will return No such device. :) |
| 20:59.58 | NixerX | can some one advise me on ethernet bonding? |
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| 21:00.09 | jim | we finally got to the part where we start -doiing- stuff :) |
| 21:00.17 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: A kernel that acts like a sports car running at 100 mph until it suddenly hits a brick wall... that's fine for your average Gentoobie. |
| 21:00.19 | bouncing | stouset: Whatever kernel module it used seems to no longer be inserted. |
| 21:00.22 | quif | sontek, do you have a router? |
| 21:00.50 | sontek | jim: so just update-rc.d bind default to start ALL the time? |
| 21:00.51 | EdibleText | NixerX, you need the to use the bonding module and the supporting utilities |
| 21:00.56 | jim | quif: he does, two. a linksys which we disconnected, and now his linux box is pulling router |
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| 21:01.10 | bouncing | Hmmm... kkinder@zomonkey:/etc$ dmesg | grep failed |
| 21:01.11 | bouncing | sb1000: failed to register device (io: 000,000 irq: 0) |
| 21:01.12 | sontek | jim: Its working :) |
| 21:01.12 | jim | sontek: it will do that itself unless you did something weird |
| 21:01.34 | sontek | jim: thanks for your help :D Now I Just have to figure out how to foreword ports and everything with iptables :P |
| 21:01.35 | NixerX | EdibleText, I have bonding up. The problem is when i do mii-tool bond0 it says 10M Hdx! |
| 21:01.35 | jim | then you know the answer to your prev question :) |
| 21:01.50 | jim | sontek: moment... |
| 21:02.08 | bouncing | weirdness, I don't use sb1000. :) |
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| 21:02.18 | quif | sontek: i had something similar where i couldn't resolve things sometimes but sometimes it would be normal, is that whats happening to you? |
| 21:02.19 | daww | chgrp x /work/ worked fine! |
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| 21:02.49 | sontek | quif: Nope, I'm turning my sparc5 into a router |
| 21:03.00 | quif | alright :) nevermind then |
| 21:03.13 | ricky_clarkson | !ping |
| 21:03.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:03.18 | quif | gmails public :) |
| 21:03.20 | jim | sontek: put the following in a script |
| 21:03.23 | EdibleText | NixerX, dont know about that. what I did was 'ifconfig bond0 hw ether cc:00:ff:ff:ee:ee;ifconfig bond0 <IP>; ifenslave bond0 eth1 eth2 eth3 eth4 -E; blah blah ' |
| 21:03.31 | jim | myip=$(ipofif $(default-if)) |
| 21:03.33 | ricky_clarkson | How have I got a lag of 36 seconds but dpkg responds in 2 seconds? |
| 21:03.55 | sontek | jim: what does that do? |
| 21:04.04 | jim | if [ -z "$IPTABLES" ] |
| 21:04.04 | jim | then |
| 21:04.04 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.04 | jim | fi |
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| 21:04.05 | nagual | ricky_clarkson: it can look into the future, so it processed yoru request 34 secs ago? |
| 21:04.14 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: Ah. |
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| 21:04.23 | sontek | jim just a sec |
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| 21:04.33 | foureyes779 | 0000:01:0d.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. PlanB Video-In (rev 01) |
| 21:04.36 | NixerX | EdibleText is the hw add the mac of eth0? |
| 21:04.36 | foureyes779 | oops |
| 21:04.36 | EdibleText | NixerX, a combination of ifconfig and ifenslave |
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| 21:04.50 | BigBlockO_ | how do i set up my debian box as a DNS server for my home network? |
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| 21:05.00 | EdibleText | NixerX, ifconfig bond0 hw ether cc:00:ff:ff:ee:ee |
| 21:05.02 | greycat | BigBlockO_: install bind, configure it, point things at it. |
| 21:05.12 | BigBlockO_ | ok |
| 21:05.13 | jim | $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $myip --dport putporthere -j DNAT --to putinternaliphere |
| 21:05.13 | BigBlockO_ | cool |
| 21:05.14 | EdibleText | NixerX, you have to create a bond0 with MAC |
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| 21:05.36 | NixerX | I editec my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:05.38 | EdibleText | NixerX, assign bond0 an IP |
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| 21:05.54 | jim | and repeat for each port you want to forward |
| 21:05.58 | jim | then run that script |
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| 21:06.13 | mwilson | <sigh> Stupid Office update... why would you have to boot the machine? :) |
| 21:06.17 | EdibleText | NixerX, then ifenslave to bond0 <real eth devices> |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | iface bond0 inet static |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.01 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.20 | NixerX | I knew that was gonna happen. |
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| 21:07.27 | mwilson | Then why did you do it? |
| 21:07.43 | BigBlockO_ | wait, so bind is the DNS server? |
| 21:07.48 | NixerX | EdibleText anyway thats my /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 21:07.57 | mwilson | Bind is *a* DNS, yes. |
| 21:08.06 | mwilson | "DNS server" is redundant. |
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| 21:08.08 | greycat | bind is software that implements a DNS server, yes. |
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| 21:08.19 | rollercow | something broke my alsa card about thusday last week (tracking sarge) |
| 21:08.21 | jim | BigBlockO_: one of many choices |
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| 21:08.25 | EdibleText | NixerX, I created a 'bond-up' script I didnt mess with interfaces... does it work? |
| 21:08.27 | BigBlockO_ | is it the one that's installed when you specify dns server in the installation? |
| 21:08.33 | NixerX | EdibleText I cant change the port settings using mii-tool either! |
| 21:08.35 | daww | chgrp is to change Group, how do I change Owner? |
| 21:08.39 | NixerX | EdibleText like a charm. |
| 21:08.41 | greycat | chown |
| 21:09.01 | jim | BigBlockO_: maybe, or maybe bind9 is |
| 21:09.01 | greycat | daww: SURELY the Permissions node on the wiki mentions chown at least twice. |
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| 21:09.04 | mwilson | greycat: At least. But getting him to read it... |
| 21:09.13 | NixerX | 'cept my 10Mb issue. |
| 21:09.14 | Lord | I have a small .. stupid .. help question .. |
| 21:09.17 | EdibleText | NixerX, is there more then eth0 being bonded to bond0 ? you got kicked |
| 21:09.29 | mwilson | Lord: And will you get around to asking it any time soon? |
| 21:09.33 | k-dog | exit |
| 21:09.38 | k-dog | Doh! |
| 21:09.39 | ricky_clarkson | /quit |
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| 21:09.54 | greycat | oh. It doesn't. Damn. |
| 21:09.56 | ricky_clarkson | Ctrl-Alt-Del |
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| 21:10.22 | greycat | it just has chmod about 10 times |
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| 21:10.23 | daww | greycat, I didn't find it, but you helped me |
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| 21:10.34 | FC-tooki | hello |
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| 21:10.46 | Lord | For some odd reason, I burn the ISO and it won't autoboot from any system ... I use the normal method of burning the CD .. and yes, I'm a noob. I've followed directions for burning a ISO ... but it won't .. autorun. |
| 21:10.53 | sontek_ | Hey jim can you pm me that script again |
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| 21:10.55 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Linux restarts with Ctrl-Alt-Delete too (outside X) ;) |
| 21:10.57 | sontek_ | I had to load up screen |
| 21:10.57 | FC-tooki | what are the system requirements for debian??? |
| 21:11.05 | omry | any idea why apt-get dist-upgrade insists on upgrading two packages (xfce related) over and over again, without actually doing anything? |
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| 21:11.08 | caliber | Lord: you have to pick to boot from CDROM first in BIOS |
| 21:11.09 | mwilson | Lord: "the ISO"? We have to guess what you burned? |
| 21:11.10 | jnk | FC-tooki, 486, or a nasty patch |
| 21:11.10 | NixerX | EdibleText yes eth0 and eth1 |
| 21:11.11 | greycat | Lord: go into the BIOS setup at boot time and tell the BIOS to boot from CD |
| 21:11.17 | ricky_clarkson | FC-tooki: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian%20system%20requirements |
| 21:11.26 | greycat | Lord: we can't tell you how to do that. it's BIOS specific. |
| 21:11.28 | dvs | omry: Look at the error messages |
| 21:11.32 | greycat | Lord: typically F2, DEL, F10 or F12 or something. |
| 21:11.36 | caliber | Lord: most likely press DEL when your computer starts |
| 21:11.40 | FC-tooki | [16:11] <jnk> FC-tooki, 486, or a nasty patch |
| 21:11.40 | NixerX | EdibleText you want the link i used? |
| 21:11.40 | FC-tooki | [16:11] <NixerX> EdibleText yes eth0 and eth1 |
| 21:11.48 | Lord | Right, I already have it set to book from a bios. No problem there. I can get like the Win200 disc to boot ... |
| 21:11.51 | Nexans | if i want to install apache2+mysql+php5 with gd support how would i do that? |
| 21:11.54 | EdibleText | NixerX, hmm dunno.. have you tried the -F, --force=media with mii-tool? |
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| 21:12.00 | Lord | And it's the Debian ISO downloaded, i386 Woody. |
| 21:12.00 | ricky_clarkson | FC-tooki: You might need some intelligent wetware too. |
| 21:12.13 | Lord | Disc 1 |
| 21:12.16 | EdibleText | NixerX, disclaimer: I never have used mii-tool |
| 21:12.24 | mwilson | Lord: And when you look at the CD, how many files do you see? |
| 21:12.28 | BigBlockO_ | i tried running bindconfig, but it cant find it |
| 21:12.32 | caliber | Lord: In BIOS for the boot-order, set it to 1: CDROM 2: FLOPPY 3: HARD DISK |
| 21:12.36 | Skiver | how many web browser available for SID ? |
| 21:12.36 | BigBlockO_ | any idea where to look for it? |
| 21:12.37 | omry | dvs, everything seems ok. I don't see any errors. |
| 21:12.38 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: "how many fingers am I holding up?" |
| 21:12.44 | ricky_clarkson | Skiver: 536.5 |
| 21:12.49 | caliber | Lord: If you do that and it wont boot, you didn't burn the CD as an image |
| 21:12.56 | NixerX | SIOCSMIIREG on bond0 failed: No such device |
| 21:12.59 | caliber | Lord: You just burned it as a .iso file on a CD |
| 21:13.12 | stouset | Would someone mind speaking my name? |
| 21:13.17 | stouset | Trying to test something, really quick. |
| 21:13.17 | sontek_ | jim: could we talk in a pm about iptables? |
| 21:13.22 | caliber | stouset: no |
| 21:13.22 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Say my name, bitch. |
| 21:13.24 | NixerX | EdibleText thats what happens when I mii-tool -F |
| 21:13.25 | Lord | mwilson: I see .. a lot ... all the files form the ISO file ... |
| 21:13.25 | Lord | caliber: it's not just the ISO file on the disc. |
| 21:13.27 | stouset | Ah, great. |
| 21:13.28 | hacim | LSorensen: tried installing 2.6.8-2-686 and still have the same sound problem :P |
| 21:13.42 | BigBlockO_ | how do i configure bind? |
| 21:13.44 | caliber | Lord: Then its definitely your boot order |
| 21:13.51 | ricky_clarkson | !provides editor |
| 21:13.56 | simonrvn | BigBlockO_: with a text editor and doc-reading |
| 21:14.06 | caliber | Lord: Its easy to adjust. Try rebooting like we said and entering BIOS |
| 21:14.08 | Lord | Caliber: Well, it can't be .. because I have it set to 1: CD 2:Floppy 3: HD |
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| 21:14.16 | caliber | How do you know that if you havent rebooted? |
| 21:14.16 | ecraven | hey all |
| 21:14.18 | jepel_tailweaver | BigBlockO_, very carefully and with regard to pathnames and syntax |
| 21:14.21 | BigBlockO_ | hehe |
| 21:14.24 | BigBlockO_ | ok |
| 21:14.25 | ecraven | how do i do rm -R .* correctly? |
| 21:14.25 | Lord | Because it's on a different system. |
| 21:14.27 | BigBlockO_ | but where should i look |
| 21:14.36 | mwilson | caliber: Because if you were paying attention, you might have noted that he can boot other CD's. |
| 21:14.38 | BigBlockO_ | man bind wasn't very helpful |
| 21:14.43 | simonrvn | ap-tget install bind9-doc |
| 21:14.46 | simonrvn | apt-get* |
| 21:14.47 | BigBlockO_ | ok |
| 21:14.49 | BigBlockO_ | i did that |
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| 21:14.55 | jim | sontek: oh, that last command is not quite right |
| 21:14.59 | caliber | mwilson: Whatever, idiot. I was just trying to help |
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| 21:15.01 | simonrvn | cd /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc |
| 21:15.16 | BigBlockO_ | k |
| 21:15.24 | aidehua | dpkg: apostrophe |
| 21:15.24 | dpkg | The apostrophe (') is used to indicate a possessive (Debian's distribution) or a contraction (o'er the deep blue sea). It is *not* used for plurals. Special note: "it's" is a contraction of "it is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun. Please don't mix them up. http://www.english.vt.edu/~grammar/graphics/bobsqu.gif |
| 21:15.30 | greycat | ecraven: NEVER type that command. |
| 21:15.39 | jim | $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $myip --dport putEXTERNALporthere -j DNAT --to internalIP:internalPortIOfIP |
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| 21:15.44 | ecraven | greycat: i know, that's why i asked how to do it correctly |
| 21:16.02 | greycat | ecraven: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:16.10 | Lord | caliber: I'm installing the OS on a different system, not this one. I already checked the BIOS. The CD had all teh files from the ISO .. exactly like the ISO file. But it's not the ISO file itself. |
| 21:16.10 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: cd ..; rm -Ri <thedirectory> |
| 21:16.15 | ecraven | delete .* *apart* from .. and . |
| 21:16.21 | caliber | Lord: then 3 things really |
| 21:16.22 | ricky_clarkson | Oh. |
| 21:16.37 | greycat | ecraven: what about README and foo.c and so on? regular filenames without leading dots? |
| 21:16.39 | jim | ecraven: then you have to qualify the name |
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| 21:17.03 | Pappa | Lord: did you check the md5? |
| 21:17.13 | caliber | Lord: 2 really.. 1> incomplete ISO.. has happened to me before |
| 21:17.14 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: find . -exec rm -i {} \; |
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| 21:17.21 | caliber | Lord: Or try re-burning it in ALCOHOL 120% |
| 21:17.24 | ecraven | greycat: no, as i said, only filenames starting with a dot, and *not* .. and . |
| 21:17.32 | ecraven | ricky_clarkson: that's completely different |
| 21:17.35 | greycat | ecraven: is this homework? |
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| 21:17.41 | ecraven | no |
| 21:17.50 | Pappa | burn w/o multisession enabled and burn in DAO mode |
| 21:17.51 | jim | Pappa: so, summary, we got him going by undoing a lot of stuff until we got basically no config, then going from there |
| 21:17.58 | greycat | what on earth would prompt you to want to remove all the dotfiles in a directory but NOT the rest of it? |
| 21:18.10 | Pappa | jim: ? |
| 21:18.13 | aidehua | greycat: crack |
| 21:18.20 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: ls -1 .* | grep -v "^\.$" | grep -v "^\.\.$" | xargs rm -i |
| 21:18.23 | jim | Pappa, sontek |
| 21:18.23 | ecraven | i've been wondering about this for some time, now i thought i'd ask here if there's any easy way, apart from typing the name of every file |
| 21:18.27 | Pappa | oh right |
| 21:18.30 | ecraven | ricky_clarkson: lol :) |
| 21:18.37 | Lord | Pappa: Is that advice for me? |
| 21:18.38 | Lord | Caliber: I'll check out ALCOHOL 120% before I redownload the huge file :) |
| 21:18.48 | Pappa | Lord: yes |
| 21:18.49 | ricky_clarkson | [that's a minus one, not a minus el, the ls -1 |
| 21:19.00 | greycat | ecraven: whenever there's no easy way to do something, it's *usually* because nobody ever does it. |
| 21:19.03 | caliber | Lord: try using the .md5 file to verify the authenticity and size |
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| 21:19.10 | caliber | Lord: download a program called QUICKPAR |
| 21:19.12 | greycat | ecraven: which makes me wonder what you real goal is. |
| 21:19.21 | jim | Pappa: if you look at what ipmasq installs, you'll see a very general structure for creating firewall rules |
| 21:19.27 | Lord | Pappa & caliber: Thanks. I'll try that. I was getting peeved. |
| 21:19.30 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: rm -iR .* and answer "no" to . and .. |
| 21:19.41 | ricky_clarkson | s/R// |
| 21:19.42 | stouset | I'm out folks. |
| 21:19.42 | caliber | Lord: np let us know if it works out |
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| 21:20.00 | ecraven | ricky_clarkson: that defeats the * in .* :) |
| 21:20.13 | jim | all the security stuff, all the basic rules including turning on IP forwarding, it looks at your routing table and your ifconfig to figure out what to do |
| 21:20.14 | Pappa | jim: i've never tried ipmasq |
| 21:20.16 | ecraven | anyway, seems there's no easy way to do it :) thanks |
| 21:20.31 | greycat | it still smells like homework to me. |
| 21:20.33 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: Oh, is your copy and paste broken darling? |
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| 21:21.05 | jim | Pappa: the jist is, configure the interfaces and configure the routing, then install ipmasq and it makes a firewall for you using what you have (iptables, ipchains, ipfwadm) |
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| 21:21.31 | ecraven | ricky_clarkson: why? |
| 21:21.44 | simonrvn | jim: ip -6 route | wc -l |
| 21:21.44 | simonrvn | 572 |
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| 21:22.04 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: Because I gave you an answer that works. |
| 21:22.11 | Pappa | jim: seems ok, but whaddya mean by "configure routing?" ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options ? |
| 21:22.18 | jim | simonrvn: are you saying it does a lotta stuff? |
| 21:22.36 | simonrvn | those are my ipv6 routes |
| 21:22.38 | n00body | if i have amd64 which one of the netinstall isos do i download for sarge? |
| 21:22.42 | Lord | Caliber: What is QUICKPAR? |
| 21:22.45 | jim | Pappa: basically I mean set up the two interfaces and the routing for them |
| 21:22.56 | n00body | if i have amd64 which one of the netinstall isos do i download for sarge? |
| 21:23.00 | valdyn | n00body: for sarge - only option is the i386 one |
| 21:23.02 | caliber | Lord: a handy program for windows xp to check .md5 |
| 21:23.09 | ecraven | ricky_clarkson: i just wouldn't call that "easy." and it seems that sarge's rm doesn't recurse back in that case (though that's just what a friend tells me, didn't try it myself) |
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| 21:23.23 | simonrvn | 875 for ipv4 |
| 21:23.23 | jim | simonrvn: does ipmasq do this? or you had to write all the rules yourself? |
| 21:23.23 | dpalic | hello |
| 21:23.31 | Lord | caliber: gotcha. |
| 21:23.36 | simonrvn | jim: nah, just fetched from BGP |
| 21:23.37 | jim | why so much crap? :) |
| 21:23.45 | Aster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.48 | n00body | so valdyn the ia64 inst a mislabel, its actually for itanium? |
| 21:23.53 | jim | ok, so crap is a strong word |
| 21:23.58 | valdyn | n00body: right |
| 21:24.04 | ricky_clarkson | ecraven: If you want recursion, add -R to ls I guess. |
| 21:24.06 | dpalic | I have an urgent problem, I sit here on the customer site and try to configure a german ISDN dialin to any provider which is call-by-call |
| 21:24.08 | simonrvn | jim: *grin* |
| 21:24.11 | caliber | Lord: you will have to download the matching .md5 file from the same directory you downloaded the .iso from |
| 21:24.14 | dpalic | can someone help me? |
| 21:24.16 | n00body | valdyn: wuts m68k? |
| 21:24.38 | valdyn | n00body: motorola 680x0 |
| 21:24.43 | simonrvn | n00body: motorola 680x0 |
| 21:24.50 | n00body | thanx |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | n00body: where x >=1 i think |
| 21:25.05 | simonrvn | 2+ |
| 21:25.18 | jim | dpalic: maybe someone can help you... but if your problem is urgent, why are you not talking to your support people? |
| 21:25.18 | simonrvn | up to 6 |
| 21:25.20 | valdyn | 1 was mmu-less? |
| 21:25.20 | n00body | simonrvn: is there any amd64 option for sarge? |
| 21:25.23 | arango | Does Linux support usb headsets ? |
| 21:25.40 | dpalic | it is too late |
| 21:25.40 | simonrvn | 030 were/are. some anyway |
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| 21:25.50 | dpalic | jim: it is too late |
| 21:25.51 | valdyn | arango: yea, im using one |
| 21:25.59 | jim | too late in the day? |
| 21:26.04 | n00body | simonrvn: is there any amd64 option for sarge? |
| 21:26.06 | jim | they're closed for the eve? |
| 21:26.09 | dpalic | here is already 22:25 |
| 21:26.10 | arango | which one do you use ? |
| 21:26.15 | simonrvn | tell n00body -about repeat |
| 21:26.17 | simonrvn | @tell n00body -about repeat |
| 21:26.18 | valdyn | !debian-amd64 |
| 21:26.26 | n00body | RIFK |
| 21:26.29 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 21:26.29 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 21:26.33 | BigBlockO_ | ok, bind is fairly complicated |
| 21:26.42 | Pappa | jim: seems like a very nice package that ipmasq thingie |
| 21:26.50 | BigBlockO_ | what's the easiest way to reroute dns traffic to another address? |
| 21:26.52 | valdyn | n00body: thats an inofficial port of sid |
| 21:26.59 | greycat | BigBlockO_: that's the wrong answer. |
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| 21:27.16 | greycat | BigBlockO_: just install bind, and it's probably configured right for a standalone caching name resolver by default |
| 21:27.18 | EdibleText | !be dns barbie |
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| 21:27.27 | jim | Pappa: yes, and it's customizable: every script can have a customized file |
| 21:27.28 | greycat | BigBlockO_: FUCK your isp's resolvers. Ignore them. |
| 21:27.30 | dpalic | my isdn connection terminates directly after i get connected to my provider. Any hints? |
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| 21:27.47 | arango | valdyn: which one do you use ? |
| 21:27.50 | greycat | BigBlockO_: it's in your best interest to go straight to the authoritative name servers to avoid cache poisoning attacks |
| 21:27.54 | jim | dpalic: read the logs |
| 21:28.01 | valdyn | arango: plantronics dsp500 |
| 21:28.05 | BigBlockO_ | ok |
| 21:28.11 | dpalic | jim: i cannot find the cause |
| 21:28.21 | BigBlockO_ | so you're saying dont use my ISP's dns servers |
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| 21:28.26 | jim | dpalic, the logs should show the cause or point at it |
| 21:28.28 | BigBlockO_ | use the authoritative DNS |
| 21:28.30 | valdyn | arango: though i guess all should work, they do not use different driver, got to be some kind of usb-standard audio thing |
| 21:28.49 | dpalic | jim: okay maybe they point to it by i cannot understand it |
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| 21:29.06 | jim | BigBlockO_: no, because the auth dns could be configured to ONLY report data for domains it's auth over |
| 21:29.08 | arango | valdyn:ok, thanks |
| 21:29.25 | BigBlockO_ | ahh |
| 21:29.28 | jim | dpalic: watch the log as you try to connect |
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| 21:29.33 | BigBlockO_ | so i'm confused now |
| 21:29.45 | arango | valdyn: does linux see it like a soundcard ? |
| 21:29.54 | BigBlockO_ | all i want to be able to do is route traffic on my network for certain domains to other IP addresses |
| 21:30.06 | mwilson | Oh? |
| 21:30.09 | BigBlockO_ | to play an april fools day joke on my mother |
| 21:30.12 | mwilson | What's he got to say now? |
| 21:30.37 | valdyn | arango: yea |
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| 21:31.24 | valdyn | arango: for the kernel its just a usb soundcard |
| 21:31.34 | abrotman | mwilson: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html .. dropping arch's that don't build at least 98% of the archive is pretty fucking stupid |
| 21:31.44 | BigBlockO_ | so do i need to set up DNS to reroute traffic? |
| 21:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | BigBlockO_: Edit /etc/hosts on her computer instead, possibly. |
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| 21:32.35 | BigBlockO_ | but that's the easy way to do it |
| 21:32.41 | daww | How can I make a dir+subdir to chmod 755 without change permissions for their files? |
| 21:32.44 | BigBlockO_ | i want to do it for our whole home network |
| 21:32.46 | ricky_clarkson | BigBlockO_: Ah, try #gentoo for The Hard Way(tm). |
| 21:32.54 | Zap-W | any idea why bitchx and irssi disconnect from a server after joining a channel with lots of ppl in it |
| 21:32.54 | BigBlockO_ | haha |
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| 21:33.19 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 21:33.21 | ricky_clarkson | Zap-W: Such as #debian? |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | mwilson: sorry .. i just think it's pretty damn stupid |
| 21:33.32 | abrotman | Zap-W: it sucks ? |
| 21:33.36 | abrotman | use AIM |
| 21:33.45 | mwilson | "must be available to buy new"? |
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| 21:33.53 | mwilson | So no 68k, no HPPA. |
| 21:33.53 | abrotman | mwilson: right .. byebye alpha |
| 21:34.01 | abrotman | well .. you can still buy HPPA and alpha for now .. |
| 21:34.22 | abrotman | and maybe m68k |
| 21:34.36 | abrotman | they didn't say where you had to be able to buy it from |
| 21:34.41 | mohohaha | what's 2 Mod 7 equal? |
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| 21:34.49 | abrotman | 1 |
| 21:34.53 | mwilson | No, they're saying that will reduce it to FOUR. |
| 21:34.59 | valdyn | mohohaha: 2 |
| 21:35.01 | dvs | mohohaha: 2 |
| 21:35.05 | dpalic | jim: here is the output: ippp0: dialing 1 0101901929.. ; ? with ? BEARER: Unrestricted digital information, CCITT standardized coding; tei 66 calling ? with ? 64 kbit/s, Circuit mode; tei 66 calling 01019Freenet with +49 ... RING (Data); CHANNEL: BRI, B2 needed; isdn_net: ippp0 connected; CONNECT (Data); INTERFACE ippp0 calling 0101901929; CHARGE: 2.900 <A2>/60s = 2.900 <A2>/Min (01019 CbC, Internet by call, Everyday); 1.CI 2.900 <A2> (now); NE |
| 21:35.06 | mwilson | No Sparc? |
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| 21:35.08 | BenDrake | I was wondering, I just installed debian on my laptop, and it set my desplay to 800x600 and its like 10'. How can I re-configure it correctly? |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | mwilson: i know .. because most of them don't build 98% or more |
| 21:35.14 | mwilson | last time I checked, you could still buy Sparcs. |
| 21:35.22 | abrotman | oh shit .. i did 7%2 :) |
| 21:35.30 | abrotman | mwilson: guess not .. |
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| 21:36.03 | NixerX | BenDrake, mine dose that all the time. |
| 21:36.04 | BigBlockO_ | what's the flag in route to show the routing table? |
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| 21:36.17 | abrotman | mwilson: they have more criteria than just buying new .. but buildd failure is a big impact .. but 98% is too high .. what if Qt has an issue on PPC .. no more KDE .. buildd failure ofr anything depending on Qt .. and no PPC debian |
| 21:36.18 | jim | none |
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| 21:36.28 | jim | BigBlockO_: man route |
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| 21:36.49 | abrotman | mwilson: which would eliminate even a stable release .. even if you wanted to just use the machine as a server .. ie .. bind/apache crap like that |
| 21:36.51 | MarGarina | /lib/tls/librt.so.1: invalid ELF header <-- is it just me or is it debian sid's fault? |
| 21:36.56 | MarGarina | anybody seen this? |
| 21:37.02 | BenDrake | MixerX, How can I fix it? |
| 21:37.04 | MarGarina | I can't do /bin/ls |
| 21:37.07 | mwilson | abrotman: For a *release*. A failed QT for PPC wouldn't impact a release. |
| 21:37.18 | BigBlockO_ | jim, tried that |
| 21:37.20 | abrotman | mwilson: from what i can tell from that email .. it would |
| 21:37.24 | BigBlockO_ | it didn't show a display option |
| 21:37.24 | dpalic | jim: ipppd[3268]: Remote number: 0101901929, Type: outgoing; PHASE_WAIT -> PHASE_ESTABLISHED, ifunit: 0, linkunit: 0, fd: 8; isdnlog: Mar 14 22:34:18 tei 66 calling 01019Freenet Normal call clearing (User); ipppd[3268]: Modem hangup; ipppd[3268]: Connection terminated.; ipppd[3268]: taking down PHASE_DEAD link 0, linkunit: 0; ipppd[3268]: closing fd 8 from unit 0; ipppd[3268]: reinit_unit: 0; ipppd[3268]: Connect[0]: /dev/ippp0, fd: 8; kernel: |
| 21:37.27 | BigBlockO_ | or a show option |
| 21:37.31 | mwilson | I don't read it that way. |
| 21:37.32 | NixerX | BenDrake, what bit depth are you using 24 or 16? |
| 21:37.45 | dpalic | jim: can you understand the issue with the given logs? |
| 21:37.45 | BenDrake | 24 |
| 21:37.45 | abrotman | " |
| 21:37.45 | abrotman | - the release architecture must have successfully compiled 98% of the |
| 21:37.45 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.47 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.47 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.47 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.47 | NixerX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.50 | abrotman | bah .. fucking shit |
| 21:37.50 | BigBlockO_ | nm |
| 21:37.51 | BigBlockO_ | got it |
| 21:37.54 | mwilson | Yes, the *release*. |
| 21:37.56 | NixerX | Heh... |
| 21:38.00 | NixerX | booted. |
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| 21:38.13 | NixerX | BenDrake did you get that snippet? |
| 21:38.14 | mwilson | If such a QT failure were *permanent*, well, that'd be different. |
| 21:38.15 | abrotman | mwilson: right .. no more stable alpha/m68k releases .. even though you could still buy alpha/hppa/sparc/etc ... |
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| 21:38.20 | abrotman | and s390 |
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| 21:38.33 | abrotman | and arm .. |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | this is just dumb |
| 21:38.41 | mwilson | <shrug> I can't say as I care... I'm not running Linux on anything butx86. |
| 21:39.00 | mwilson | My other machines are either running their native OS, or are running oBSD. |
| 21:39.01 | jim | the pppd is sensing a hangup from the modem |
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| 21:39.04 | abrotman | mwilson: i run mostly x86 too .. but i do have some alpha boxes |
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| 21:39.05 | BenDrake | yeah, what do I do with it? |
| 21:39.21 | jpeg | abrotman, mwilson :was this an announcement somewhere.... or is this speculation? |
| 21:39.36 | dpalic | jim: okay I can see it also, but why? |
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| 21:39.41 | NixerX | BenDrak paste it into your Xconfig file under the [Screen] section. |
| 21:39.43 | mwilson | It's really a nonsense statement on the part of the release manager(s) anyway, seeing as how two of the three BSD's manage to do it with much less manpower and infrastructure. |
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| 21:40.05 | mwilson | Putting all the conditionals on it is just CYA. |
| 21:40.10 | nagual | så någon av dina vänner äger den? |
| 21:40.12 | nagual | ops |
| 21:40.19 | nagual | laggy |
| 21:40.23 | NixerX | im outta here |
| 21:40.31 | N00b2Debian | Hello |
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| 21:40.38 | abrotman | jpeg: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 21:40.45 | LSorensen | Hmm, The Register is claiming Debian is dropping a bunch of architectures from the future release. I can't find anything else that confirms this so I find it hard to believe so far. Anyone know anything about this "rumour" (which is what I consider an article on The Register to be until confirmed) |
| 21:40.50 | abrotman | LSorensen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 21:40.51 | jim | dpalic: I'm suspecting the other end is hanging up |
| 21:41.01 | mwilson | LSorensen: From *etch*, not from sarge. |
| 21:41.09 | BenDrake | NixerX, were do I go to do that.. I am very new to debian |
| 21:41.10 | jim | dpalic: so you'll have to get in touch with them to find out why it's happening |
| 21:41.12 | abrotman | LSorensen: yeah .. the article is slightly wrong |
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| 21:41.34 | LSorensen | abrotman: let me go read that. I could believe they won't consider other architectures critical to a realse, but still maintain them and try to keep them working |
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| 21:41.59 | abrotman | LSorensen: and a damn build rate of 98%!!?!?!?!? |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | LSorensen: read backlog of me bitching at mwilson :) |
| 21:42.09 | BenDrake | umm, wheres the Xconfig file? |
| 21:42.11 | LSorensen | mwilson: hmm, so sarge will still take a few years before it's released right :) |
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| 21:42.19 | LSorensen | abrotman: will check that too |
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| 21:42.23 | dpalic | jim: i tried may different isps, all had the same problem, therefore I think it must be my fault |
| 21:42.32 | travisat | hmm oops accidently hibernated |
| 21:42.35 | mwilson | LSorensen: Oh, I've stopped paying attention to when Sarge gets released. It's a non-problem. |
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| 21:43.07 | jim | dpalic: make sure you're authenticating properly... |
| 21:43.08 | LSorensen | dpalic: crap modem? crap phone line? |
| 21:43.17 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: It's an annoyance that sid doesn't get some new packages in the meantime, that's all. |
| 21:43.41 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: <shrug> I gave up version chasing ages ago. |
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| 21:43.44 | jim | anyone can help dpalic more specifically? he's trying to help his isdn customer |
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| 21:43.59 | dpalic | jim: there can I do that in debian sarge? in ipppd.ippp0? |
| 21:44.28 | n3x4 | does anyone know stable and recently updated deb packages server ? so I could add them to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:44.32 | jpeg | abrotman, man, that's a drag. I just switched to debian explicitly for my alphas. |
| 21:44.32 | jim | dpalic: I guess it uses a username and password? |
| 21:44.53 | jim | dpalic: did this ever work? |
| 21:44.59 | Pappa | the apache2 package is not sane in any way |
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| 21:45.28 | dpalic | jim: no not on this machine. Under Suse I had it working but after the migration to debian it is't working any more |
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| 21:45.53 | N00b2Debian | wonder if I could get some more advice on how I should partition my HD-- I am following a tutorial sortof on line and it suggests I need /root /boot /home /swap /tmp /usr /var /var/ftp /var/www .. the tutorial does not suggest how much space I should allocate. I have a 14 gig HD and 500 meg ram |
| 21:46.03 | jim | oic, so you have to find out how to get the debian isdn stuff to work right |
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| 21:46.27 | dpalic | jim: the current provider freenet do not need a userid and password, but they suggest to use freenet (user) freenet (pasword) |
| 21:46.42 | jim | ok |
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| 21:47.14 | jim | by looking briefly at the logs, it does look like things are sortof working |
| 21:47.33 | jim | i.e., it looks like the two ends are talking |
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| 21:47.57 | S4nD3r_ | hi |
| 21:48.00 | blue_ | how would i install a canon scanner? |
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| 21:48.08 | blue_ | i don't even know where to start |
| 21:48.10 | S4nD3r_ | How do I create a .ISO file from a CD??? |
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| 21:48.18 | S4nD3r_ | I dont know how to do that |
| 21:48.27 | jim | S4nD3r_: is the cd iso? |
| 21:48.29 | N00b2Debian | sander use alcohol 120% or nero |
| 21:48.31 | mwilson | S4nD3r_: Google. |
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| 21:48.57 | dpalic | jim: seems to get infos about charging and so on |
| 21:48.59 | N00b2Debian | can anyone help me with my question? |
| 21:49.02 | mwilson | Man, the ones with the 'leet nicks are always the most clueless. |
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| 21:49.27 | jim | mwilson: when has that ever been different? :) |
| 21:49.29 | dpalic | jim: how can i determine which protocol i am using? |
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| 21:49.55 | jim | dpalic: by the logs it's looking like you're using ppp |
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| 21:50.26 | dpalic | jim: okay seems to be okay |
| 21:50.39 | dpalic | jim: maybe its the fault with the authentication |
| 21:50.51 | dpalic | there can i configure the user and the password? |
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| 21:51.36 | jim | dpalic: I'm not familiar enough with isdn to know... doesn't your provider give you all the info you need to connect? |
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| 21:51.57 | S4nD3r_ | jim, there are a lot of files in CD, than I want to make a ISO file |
| 21:52.09 | S4nD3r_ | I know how to do that in k3B, but Id like to know in command line |
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| 21:52.27 | dpalic | jim: the provider gave me the number the user and the password |
| 21:52.32 | jim | S4nD3r_: find out if the cd uses iso9660 as its filesystem |
| 21:52.35 | abrotman | jpeg: well .. you can still run it for now :) |
| 21:52.45 | S4nD3r_ | jim, yes it uses |
| 21:53.05 | abrotman | LSorensen: pretty crummy eh? |
| 21:53.13 | jim | S4nD3r_: so just read the iso image off the cd into a file |
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| 21:54.04 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know if a library or wrapper application exists which intercepts "read()" calls and replaces them with code that doesn't return "end of file" (EOF) until all other writers have closed the file? |
| 21:54.12 | S4nD3r_ | I think is using mkiso |
| 21:54.16 | S4nD3r_ | or something like that |
| 21:55.03 | jim | S4nD3r_: if you're correct about the cd being an iso,. then the iso is already made |
| 21:55.18 | ncsu | holy shit, i installed sane and did scanimage -L, my scanner went crazy |
| 21:55.29 | ncsu | sounded like it was going to explode |
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| 21:55.54 | S4nD3r_ | no. |
| 21:55.54 | travisat | insane sane to the membrane |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | wrong quite |
| 21:56.04 | S4nD3r_ | I want to create an ISO file |
| 21:56.06 | abrotman | quote |
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| 21:56.16 | S4nD3r_ | The source will be a CDROM |
| 21:56.25 | jnk | S4nD3r_, mkisofs |
| 21:56.38 | Lord | caliber & Pappa: Thanks for the help ... that worked. If I need more helps, I know where to go! |
| 21:56.40 | jim | S4nD3r_: you already have an iso |
| 21:56.46 | caliber | Lord: no prob :] |
| 21:56.49 | jim | jsut read it off the cd |
| 21:56.52 | Xenguy | Is there a command to have mutt 'reload' or 'source' a changed ~/.muttrc file? |
| 21:57.32 | ncsu | it gave me device `plustek:libusb:002:002' is a Canon N670U/N676U/LiDE20 USB flatbed scanner but how do i find where its located? |
| 21:57.37 | S4nD3r_ | Which is the command to create ISO file?? |
| 21:57.37 | cureless | Xemacs_: like :source? |
| 21:57.50 | Phated | S4nD3r_: FFS, mkisofs. |
| 21:57.50 | JoshH | Xenguy: cant you just quit mutt and restart it? |
| 21:57.55 | stew | S4nD3r_: mkisofs |
| 21:58.11 | cureless | Xemacs_: just type :source .muttrc |
| 21:58.18 | Xenguy | JoshH: yes, I was hoping not to have to (so my flags remain unchanged) |
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| 21:58.32 | N00b2Debian | Is my question just too noobish to answer? =) |
| 21:58.32 | JoshH | ah |
| 21:58.33 | Xenguy | cureless: I think that was for me |
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| 21:58.45 | ncsu | anyone? |
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| 21:58.48 | cureless | Xenguy: whoops, hehe, damn nick completion and people with similar nicks! :-) |
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| 21:59.01 | abrotman | mwilson: something just pointed out to me .. can you still buy a 486? .. if not .. will debian continue to compile at 386 level or only compile packages for 686? |
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| 21:59.30 | Ikarus | abrotman: compiling for 386 is most sensible as it runs fast on all systems |
| 21:59.47 | abrotman | Ikarus: you missed the beginning of the conversation .. you've no idea what you're jumping into |
| 21:59.47 | testingsxx | hi... i need someone to setup dpkg binary on their site.. so i can download it.. dont ask why.. i am a dumb ass |
| 21:59.55 | Ikarus | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 21:59.56 | testingsxx | so i can wget it |
| 21:59.59 | JoshH | testingsxx: you can get it from the debian site |
| 22:00.04 | testingsxx | i dont have dpkg |
| 22:00.07 | abrotman | testingsxx: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:00.11 | testingsxx | i cant install it |
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| 22:00.16 | hacim | ok, I managed to get my sound to work with OSS, but I can't use alsamixer to adjust the volume, what do you use for oss? |
| 22:00.18 | abrotman | testingsxx: you don't have a dpkg binary at all? |
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| 22:00.28 | testingsxx | no |
| 22:00.36 | cureless | Xenguy: did it do what you wanted? I have the feeling some settings might not be so easy to reload. |
| 22:00.37 | testingsxx | i dont know how it died on me |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | testingsxx: you can extract it manually |
| 22:00.44 | testingsxx | how? |
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| 22:01.14 | S4nD3r_ | jim, |
| 22:01.17 | S4nD3r_ | mkisofs -R -J -o /writer/image.iso /cdrom |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | testingsxx: ar |
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| 22:01.40 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all. I'm installing OpenOffice 2.0 Beta on my sarge system, and it depends on libicu. So I install it in Debian, but it gives me libicu*.so.28 where OOo is linked against .so.26. Can I just symlink it, or is there a more elegant solution? |
| 22:01.42 | sgeigerb` | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654 "Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow." There you go, muthas. That's the future of computing for you, *AS PROMISED*. |
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| 22:01.52 | jim | S4nD3r_: your writer better be scsi if you plan on doing that |
| 22:02.01 | testingsxx | how can i extract a deb manually? |
| 22:02.16 | Sontek | jim, Hey, do you still have that script handy that you were showing me earlier? I just moved my whole network over to the new router now I need to get the ip forwording |
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| 22:02.22 | jepel_tailweaver | testingsxx, man dpkg-deb |
| 22:02.23 | jim | a deb is an ar that contains two tarballs and a text file |
| 22:02.33 | Xenguy | cureless: I'm not doing something right: typing ':source' in mutt didn't work |
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| 22:02.50 | abrotman | testingsxx: i told you |
| 22:02.59 | stew | Xenguy: :source ~/.muttrc |
| 22:02.59 | testingsxx | i didnt catch it.. java chut sucks |
| 22:03.01 | jim | Sontek: yeah |
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| 22:03.24 | cureless | Xenguy: from the index menu? hmmm |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | testingsxx: ar -x iirc |
| 22:03.33 | huhmz | Im trying to run Settlers under DOS emulation, ive tried both Dosbox and DOSemu but both have their special set of problems. Are there any more apps i can try? |
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| 22:03.48 | cureless | Xenguy: like stew said, did you tell it the file you wanted to source? |
| 22:03.51 | Ikarus | huhmz: wine ? |
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| 22:04.19 | huhmz | ikarus: Settlers is a dosgame, dont think wine will work |
| 22:04.25 | Ikarus | huhmz: wine has DOS support |
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| 22:04.28 | Ikarus | although limited |
| 22:04.34 | Ikarus | prolly way from enough |
| 22:04.37 | stew | testingsxx: also dpkg -e and dpkg -x |
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| 22:05.05 | testingsxx | i told you |
| 22:05.07 | testingsxx | i dont have dpkg |
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| 22:05.12 | abrotman | testingsxx: ar -x |
| 22:05.20 | hacim | dpkg, psmouse |
| 22:05.28 | Xenguy | stew cureless : nice - it works (Either of you guys want a nifty 3-line macro that toggles a 6-line 'index' of inbox emails from within reading a single email [if that made any sense] ? ) |
| 22:05.39 | huhmz | ikarus: ill give it a try, who knows |
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| 22:06.22 | cureless | Xenguy: no thanks, but sounds nifty. I have a 4 line index that I keep, no toggles. |
| 22:06.40 | stew | i wish i could use mutt, but i can't :( |
| 22:06.46 | hacim | Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device |
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| 22:06.59 | Xenguy | cureless: that's it - I had a 6-line permanent index -- now I have that, but I can toggle it on and off with 'I' |
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| 22:07.42 | abrotman | testingsxx: did it work? |
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| 22:08.38 | N00b2Debian | anyone wanna help me out with partitioning advice emm? |
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| 22:08.57 | mousex | what do I need to do to let apache show user HTML pages (like /home/mousex would be http://localhost/~mousex, wouldn't it?). I created a dir, /home/mousex/public_html with an index.html, but when I try http://localhost/~mousex, I get a "forbidden" message |
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| 22:09.49 | abrotman | mousex: try http://localhost/~mousex/index.html .. after you have created the index.html |
| 22:09.59 | mousex | abrotman: same error |
| 22:10.23 | N00b2Debian | forbidden .. hmm that would be a chmod problem no? |
| 22:10.25 | abrotman | mousex: bad perms on the dir ? |
| 22:10.31 | hacim | hrm, I updated my kernel and now my mouse is no longer detected and X fails to start, is this a known problem? |
| 22:10.40 | abrotman | N00b2Debian: i don't remember the default .. but if the indexing is off .. you can't just hit the dir |
| 22:10.50 | quiet | what all does the businesscard ISO install? |
| 22:10.52 | cafuego | hacim: What, people not reading docs? yes. |
| 22:11.00 | mousex | abrotman: like fle permissions? All a+r |
| 22:11.04 | hacim | cafuego: which docs? |
| 22:11.04 | abrotman | quiet: it has to pulll from the interenet |
| 22:11.07 | cafuego | quiet: the base system. |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | mousex: you can do that |
| 22:11.13 | cafuego | hacim: The ones that come with kernels. |
| 22:11.54 | quiet | cafuego, so it would install a absic, functioning system without 'net access for a short period |
| 22:11.54 | mousex | hacim: did you upgrade to 2.6 from 2.4? |
| 22:11.54 | ncsu | sane is pretty damn cool |
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| 22:12.01 | hacim | mousex: no, I was using an older 2.6 kernel |
| 22:12.08 | mousex | abrotman: no luck . . . is there something I have to configure in httpd.conf? |
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| 22:12.20 | N00b2Debian | I shoudlnt be speaking at all I still dont have linux installed dont know any commands .... but I do know how web sites work .. lol |
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| 22:12.27 | mousex | hacim: do you still have the mousedev module loaded? modconf |
| 22:12.40 | cafuego | quiet: Uh, it would have net access,a s the installer requires the net to fetch stuff. |
| 22:12.56 | hacim | mousex: ah, that module was not loaded, thanks |
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| 22:12.58 | abrotman | mwilson: LSorensen: now it hit slashdot |
| 22:13.01 | mousex | N00b2Debian: I changed the permissions, so I don't think it's that |
| 22:13.05 | mousex | hacim: np |
| 22:13.08 | quiet | cafuego, the businesscard ISO does?? i thtought that was what the net-inst disc did? |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | mousex: did you check the logs ? |
| 22:13.29 | abrotman | quiet: the 110MB image at least has the base system on the CD .. the BC needs internet to even get that |
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| 22:13.43 | N00b2Debian | waht are you using to browse it .. do yuou need to refresh the page . so its not loading a chached version? |
| 22:13.49 | quiet | abrotman, okay thanks |
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| 22:13.54 | cafuego | quiet: The business card iso is even smaller, where do you suggest that data would be stored? |
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| 22:14.30 | N00b2Debian | cached even |
| 22:14.47 | quiet | cafuego, good point. The reason I'm asking, is I tried the net-inst disc on a old notebook (PentiumMMX 200MHz, 32 MB RAM) and it fails... do I need the standard installer, or might the BCone work? |
| 22:15.17 | emergo | how can I "sync" a folder on my lap and the other on stationary ? |
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| 22:15.37 | cafuego | quiet: Does that notebook have a network card? |
| 22:15.45 | BigBlockO_ | how do configure apache? |
| 22:15.49 | quiet | cafuego, yes, 3Com PCMCIA card |
| 22:15.58 | cafuego | quiet: That should be fine, then. |
| 22:15.59 | BigBlockO_ | scuse me |
| 22:16.01 | BigBlockO_ | not configure |
| 22:16.03 | BigBlockO_ | control |
| 22:16.05 | BigBlockO_ | start and stop |
| 22:16.09 | BigBlockO_ | i run apachectl right? |
| 22:16.10 | quiet | cafuego, it fails on startup though witht h net-inst, saying not enough memory?? |
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| 22:16.14 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: /etc/init.d/apache |
| 22:16.16 | stew | BigBlockO_: /etc/init.d/apache start|stop|restart |
| 22:16.18 | quiet | i figure 32MB was plenty |
| 22:16.25 | Bedad | BigBlockO_, init-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 22:16.25 | JoePenguin | emergo: There's a program called "unison" that does a bi-directional sync. |
| 22:16.30 | mousex | abrotman: /var/log/apache/error.log says, "[error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~mousex/index.html failed because search permissions are missing on a component of the path" |
| 22:16.31 | BigBlockO_ | oh, debian doesn't have apache ctl? |
| 22:16.33 | mousex | What's that mean? |
| 22:16.35 | BigBlockO_ | apachectl? |
| 22:16.36 | cafuego | quiet: Hmmm... try running it in expert mode. |
| 22:16.44 | Bedad | BigBlockO_, i use init-rc.d |
| 22:16.50 | quiet | cafuego, will do, thanks |
| 22:16.58 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: ffs, TRY it and see if it works. |
| 22:17.02 | emergo | JoePenguin: ill look, command line tool ? |
| 22:17.05 | Xenguy | BigBlockO_: apachectl start works too |
| 22:17.34 | cafuego | mousex: Is your homedir mode 750 ? |
| 22:17.39 | JoePenguin | emergo: yes, but there is a gui front-end to it available. |
| 22:18.06 | mousex | cafuego: don't know. What's 750 in ugoa+rwx notation? |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | mousex: no freaking clue .. ask #apache |
| 22:18.24 | cafuego | mousex: wrx-rx--- |
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| 22:18.27 | BigBlockO_ | Xenguy, i don't have apachectl |
| 22:18.32 | BigBlockO_ | it wasn't installed when apache was installed |
| 22:18.32 | jim | mousex: info fileutils |
| 22:18.47 | BigBlockO_ | did they get rid of apachectl in version 2 |
| 22:18.48 | swatikiss | im having trouble running xmms... it gives me an error about libcurl.so.3 |
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| 22:19.02 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: Hmm, maybe it's called apache2ctl |
| 22:19.14 | BigBlockO_ | haha |
| 22:19.14 | jepel_tailweaver | it is apache2ctl, in some distros |
| 22:19.17 | BigBlockO_ | there we go |
| 22:19.20 | drac | swatikiss: apt-get install libcurl3 ? |
| 22:19.27 | mousex | I'll check #apache, thanks guys |
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| 22:19.43 | swatikiss | drac, that is installed |
| 22:19.47 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: because calling both ;apachectl' would not work on machines with both apache1.3 and apache2 installed. |
| 22:19.58 | swatikiss | here is the error |
| 22:20.01 | stew | BigBlockO_: why not use /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 22:20.03 | BigBlockO_ | yea |
| 22:20.07 | paster | "swatikiss" at 69.216.110.185 pasted "xmms error" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/348 |
| 22:20.11 | BigBlockO_ | stew, that works too |
| 22:20.18 | BigBlockO_ | now, where's the apache config file |
| 22:20.20 | BigBlockO_ | in apache2 |
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| 22:20.28 | BigBlockO_ | its not in httpd.confg |
| 22:20.29 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: Did you check /etc/apache2 ? |
| 22:20.32 | BigBlockO_ | hehe |
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| 22:21.09 | BigBlockO_ | cool |
| 22:21.13 | BigBlockO_ | so it's called apache.conf now |
| 22:21.20 | cafuego | Upon my oath, I am not a violent man.. |
| 22:21.32 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: Magically it's not, actually. |
| 22:21.40 | jim | you had to say an oath to become nonviolent? :) |
| 22:21.41 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: it's ports.conf and sites-enabled/* |
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| 22:21.55 | slocate | anybody using fluxbox? |
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| 22:22.04 | stew | !anyone use |
| 22:22.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:22.18 | slocate | lol |
| 22:22.29 | cafuego | BigBlockO_: Yes, sites-enabled/* are symlinks. You create sites in sites/available and use 'a2ensite' or 'a2dissite'. |
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| 22:23.13 | Isildur | hello, this is probably the wrong channel for this (but I'm using a debian machine... I hope that's enough for one of you genius' to help me), anyone here knows something about the apache torque project (I've installed the maven version)? |
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| 22:23.38 | mousex | Isildur: /join #apache |
| 22:23.50 | Isildur | mousex: thanks |
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| 22:24.13 | stew | Isildur: torque is java stuff isn't it? you might ask #java if so |
| 22:24.23 | soth` | is there an open source version of cpanel type thing? |
| 22:24.45 | JoePenguin | Jim, |
| 22:24.45 | JoePenguin | I've modified print_to_pend to save a copy of the original report to /tmp/collectp.out so that I can compare it to the modified output file to make sure it's working the way I expect it to. Please let me know the next time you print this report so that I can compare the two. Thanks. |
| 22:25.06 | JoePenguin | oops |
| 22:25.06 | JoePenguin | sorry, rogue right click |
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| 22:25.25 | RRT | how can i connect to my debian webserver (it has only ssh access, not ftp) with my new install of sarge. Is there a graphical way to copy files ssh? |
| 22:25.38 | karsten | ObDumbQuestion: what's a buildd? Debian context. |
| 22:25.44 | cafuego | RRT: You can 'scp file server:/path/to/file' |
| 22:25.54 | cafuego | !buildd |
| 22:25.54 | dpkg | i heard buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. |
| 22:26.14 | RRT | that would be commandline though right? |
| 22:26.18 | cafuego | karsten: buildd is a synonym for 'gentoo user'. |
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| 22:26.31 | cafuego | RRT: Yes. What OS do you run on the desktop? |
| 22:26.38 | jepel_tailweaver | hey! I was a gentoo user once, you insensitive clod! |
| 22:26.39 | karsten | cafuego: OK, in context of the "Nybbles" mail yesterday, is a buildd a dedicated box, an automated system, or what? |
| 22:26.40 | RRT | it is the default gnome |
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| 22:27.02 | badblody | i've got ide-cd module as part of kernel, is there any form to disable it without reboot? |
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| 22:27.10 | cafuego | RRT: you can use nautilus and open a folder sftp://user@server/path |
| 22:27.30 | cafuego | karsten: That whatnow mail? |
| 22:27.41 | Ocarina | hello |
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| 22:27.46 | karsten | cafuego: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 22:27.50 | cafuego | karsten: -O3 should do, then. |
| 22:27.50 | roga | can you help me pleasse? how can i get a list of room on the server? |
| 22:27.50 | mousex | cafuego: sftp://... is way cool! |
| 22:27.52 | karsten | cafuego: etch arches. |
| 22:27.58 | stew | cafuego: there is a big flamefest going on on debian-devel due to vorlon's last mail to d-d-a |
| 22:27.58 | karsten | cafuego: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting |
| 22:28.37 | Ocarina | Can anyone tell me where "apt-get" puts the stuff it downloads and installs? (sorry if this is stupid, but I'm a newb) |
| 22:28.45 | karsten | cafuego: WRT non-main arches: |
| 22:28.46 | karsten | - the release architecture must have N+1 buildds where N is the number required to keep up with the volume of uploaded packages |
| 22:28.47 | abrotman | karsten: afaik .. it's a system |
| 22:28.49 | karsten | - the value of N above must not be > 2 |
| 22:28.53 | stew | cafuego: basically the ftp-master team sorta said they were only going to support 4-5 arches in etch |
| 22:28.58 | karsten | Ocarina: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 22:29.23 | Ocarina | Thank you! |
| 22:29.31 | khanman | RRT could also use webmin with the filemanager module if he wants a gui ssl drag'n drop |
| 22:29.39 | karsten | abrotman: My read is the inequality is flipped, and N >= 2. |
| 22:29.45 | abrotman | !buildd |
| 22:29.45 | dpkg | buildd is probably Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds. |
| 22:29.57 | karsten | abrotman: ...which suggests that 'buildd' == an autonomous system capable of building $ARCH. |
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| 22:30.02 | abrotman | karsten: i'm more opposed to the 98% thing .. the "still able to buy" sucks too |
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| 22:30.17 | mwilson | Gods, flamewars abound on d-d |
| 22:30.27 | abrotman | mwilson: fun stuff? |
| 22:30.34 | karsten | abrotman: Well, there _is_ a certain bit about the market being reality. What arch can't you buy that would be affected. |
| 22:30.38 | green_earz | hello all, i have been looking at setting my mtu to a lower number, for dsl. is it correct to add this number to /etc/network/interfaces ( iface eth0 inet static ) as mtu 1458 > below the gateway value. ? |
| 22:30.44 | karsten | mwilson: Yeah. So what are you doing here? |
| 22:30.56 | cafuego | karsten: machines, i would hazard |
| 22:31.03 | mwilson | karsten: Excuse me? |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | karsten: that's dumb .. they haven't even finished selling alpha or pa-risc |
| 22:31.08 | mousex | Has anyone played blobwars episode I? Does it also run a bit slow, or is it just my video configuration? Because the sound is OK and fast, but the blobs move a little bit slow. |
| 22:31.28 | mwilson | *I* don't care what architectures Debian supports. |
| 22:31.46 | karsten | abrotman: Um. So alpha and pa-risc *are* eligible for SCC. |
| 22:31.59 | Ocarina | Does anyone know how I can get Wine running in a Debian based distro? |
| 22:32.04 | abrotman | karsten: probably not pa-risc .. it can't seem to build anything correctly :) |
| 22:32.06 | cafuego | Second Class Citizen is too good a treatment for those |
| 22:32.07 | mwilson | Ocarina: Other than installing it? |
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| 22:32.17 | afaik | someone spoke my name |
| 22:32.20 | mousex | Ocarina: apt-get install wine winesetuptk |
| 22:32.21 | jerome | abrotman: sure, apt-get install it |
| 22:32.24 | cafuego | Debian should dump everything par amd64 and ppc |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | karsten: i have some alphas here .. they run great .. no reason to drop it |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | jerome: misfire? |
| 22:32.32 | mwilson | I tried parisc Woody. Then I got rid of it. :) |
| 22:32.38 | cafuego | Make those i386 lamers use gentoo or something |
| 22:32.40 | mwilson | cafuego: PPC64? |
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| 22:32.53 | jerome | abrotman: sure, sorry for the occasional injuries |
| 22:32.53 | Ocarina | mrwilson: Lol, what I'm trying to say is how do i run it after I supposedly apt-get it. Apt-get SAYS it DLed and installed... but I cant seem to run anything |
| 22:32.54 | cafuego | mwilson: Is there a ppc64 yet? |
| 22:33.07 | mwilson | cafuego: Not that I'm aware of, but if there were? |
| 22:33.08 | karsten | abrotman: Well, yeah, whatevah. |
| 22:33.19 | cafuego | mwilson: if there were, it could live. |
| 22:33.21 | abrotman | karsten: well .. one is a router .. the other is dns :) |
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| 22:33.36 | abrotman | karsten: and another under my desk |
| 22:33.39 | cafuego | mwilson: My new macs are 32bit though, so ppc32 must live too. |
| 22:33.45 | mwilson | It's amusing that ia64 is in the list of preferred arches. |
| 22:33.49 | karsten | abrotman: OTOH, if someone really *needs* support on $ARCH, let 'em pay for it. Whether they're a vendor or a user. |
| 22:33.54 | mousex | Ocarina: wine app_name.exe |
| 22:34.06 | mousex | Ocarina: actually, run winesetuptk before to configure it |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | karsten: well .. as per the email .. the arch stuff will still exist .. just not have a stable release |
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| 22:34.16 | karsten | abrotman: I've got an old PPro running DNS service. |
| 22:34.17 | cafuego | mwilson: I thought Linux was pretty much the unly useful thing they could run <heh> |
| 22:34.19 | karsten | abrotman: Point. |
| 22:34.36 | mwilson | cafuego: Maybe so. : |
| 22:34.44 | slocate | how do you change the windows' titles fonts in fluxbox? |
| 22:34.48 | abrotman | karsten: so i could still have an alpha .. just not as a stable release .. .. i would just find it dman retarded to see the failure of building Qt based apps keeping alpha from releasing |
| 22:34.53 | abrotman | or something like that |
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| 22:34.55 | Ocarina | mousex: thats odd, because when I try to apt-get winsetuptk it un-apt-gets what I thought was the actual Wine |
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| 22:35.08 | mousex | Ocarina: what??? |
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| 22:35.20 | karsten | abrotman: right. |
| 22:35.20 | Rawplayer | k |
| 22:35.20 | Ocarina | mousex: in Synaptic |
| 22:35.22 | cafuego | karsten: Are they ramming britney again? it's sad... |
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| 22:35.39 | karsten | cafuego: "Woops, they did it again" |
| 22:35.45 | tooki_away | quien abla español? |
| 22:35.48 | tooki_away | *habla |
| 22:35.50 | isam | there is something that I asked about before in here.. that is downgrading from sid to sarge |
| 22:35.50 | karsten | !es |
| 22:35.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:35.58 | isam | I was told that it wasn't possible by apt |
| 22:36.04 | tooki_away | ok |
| 22:36.12 | isam | .. a recent package that was added to sid makes it possible |
| 22:36.14 | isam | smartpm |
| 22:36.14 | mwilson | slocate: Change your fluxcrap theme. |
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| 22:36.26 | karsten | isam: It's not _supported_. You can sort of do it if you don't mind some level of excrutiating pain. |
| 22:36.33 | cafuego | isam: "possible" is not the same as "a smart idea" or "recommended". |
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| 22:36.56 | mousex | Ocarina: don't use synaptic for this; just open up a console, login as root, and type: apt-get install wine winesetuptk |
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| 22:37.02 | karsten | isam: In general, don't downgrade. If you must, Google for guidelines and/or tales of woe. |
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| 22:37.11 | isam | I am now downgrading from sid to sarge simply by giving the sarge repos a higher priority and then running 'smart upgrade' |
| 22:37.26 | Ocarina | mousex: all right. ill try it and report back here |
| 22:37.56 | isam | karsten: I had been using sid for more than a year.. but as I see sarge nearing by, I want to have the taste of stability with it |
| 22:37.59 | mousex | what's the install boot option for a 2.6 kernel? bf26??? |
| 22:38.02 | isam | reinstalling will be more painful |
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| 22:38.18 | isam | moving between repos with apt/smart would be less damage I hope |
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| 22:38.43 | cafuego | isam: Just becasue a piece of software says it's now easy to change, doens't mean it's also now a good idea <heh>. |
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| 22:38.56 | karsten | isam: You can _upgrade_ w/ Debian. Downgrading generally involves problems. |
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| 22:39.26 | Ocarina | mousex (or whoever wants to help): wine is already the newest version. |
| 22:39.26 | Ocarina | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 22:39.26 | Ocarina | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 22:39.26 | Ocarina | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 22:39.26 | Ocarina | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 22:39.26 | mousex | Is it bf26? |
| 22:39.39 | isam | anyhow .. I hope that fallback won't be impossible .. Thanks for the warning and the tips |
| 22:39.50 | isam | I wanna give it a try anyway :) |
| 22:40.12 | isam | if it worked fine with me.. I will come back, and suggest smartpm |
| 22:40.15 | chealer | !downgrade |
| 22:40.15 | dpkg | i guess downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 22:40.39 | efort | where is the setup of interfaces documented? I'm trying to setup eth1... eth1 - not a recognized device, thinking this relates to modules...where and how does the boot process fogure out what modules to load and where is this documented? |
| 22:40.41 | isam | I tried smartpm with fedora, and it was much smarter than yum or apt-rpm |
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| 22:40.47 | chealer | isam: tell us how downgrading packages that aren't in sarge went |
| 22:40.53 | travisat | isam: you really can't downgrade, pinning testing at a higher priority than unstable and putting both in your sources should suffice |
| 22:40.56 | chealer | like smartpm |
| 22:41.08 | slocate | mwilson: what's up with that???? |
| 22:41.37 | isam | travisat: indeed.. I will have sid packages.. but with lower pin/priority |
| 22:41.52 | slocate | mwilson: tu ere un freco |
| 22:42.03 | chealer | travisat: yep. there are tricks in the APT HOWTO around section 3.9 to only upgrade sarge packages |
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| 22:42.06 | cafuego | travisat: Well, you *can* downgrade. |
| 22:42.13 | travisat | isam: you will have a sid/sarge mix, which is what I have, and it works quite well |
| 22:42.20 | mousex | So how do I sarge install a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 22:42.44 | travisat | cafuego: yeah, well its easier to reinstall |
| 22:42.47 | cafuego | travisat: The trick is to have a Sid box out of date by a year or two, you can then *upgrade* it to testing. |
| 22:43.05 | isam | travisat: I had that for more than a year now .. sid/sarge .. but I wanted to give sarge higher priority recently.. and it doesn't make sense now as all sid packages are higher versions, and sarge is almost frozen |
| 22:43.11 | isam | and so, pinning won't be enough |
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| 22:43.37 | shek | I have a usb wireless adapter (Netgear MA111) after installing the linux-wlan-ng drivers (pre26) I get the follwoing error : Fatal module not found |
| 22:43.52 | shek | I am running debian sarge (2.6.8-2) |
| 22:44.02 | isam | it seems that no downgrade decision is made according to pn value |
| 22:44.09 | isam | but pin is used witn upgrading |
| 22:44.18 | isam | "go up" not "go down" |
| 22:44.23 | mwilson | slocate: You don't think you should have to alter your fluxcrap theme in order to change a theme element? Well, that's your problem. |
| 22:44.38 | chealer | isam: check man apt_preferences |
| 22:44.46 | mousex | shek: use ndiswrapper with the window$ drivers for your adapter . . . it's easier. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:45.00 | cafuego | Arrgh. Why is it that 2.6.11.1 and 2.6.11.2 are incremental patches, but 2.6.11.3 is not? |
| 22:45.08 | slocate | mwilson: i have the same theme in freebsd and don't have that problem there |
| 22:45.23 | mwilson | slocate: Then use freeBSD. |
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| 22:45.27 | johngalt | ? |
| 22:45.34 | grivell | shek: Easy solution. Download wlan-ng from its site. Then compile it. Worked for me. |
| 22:45.47 | Sharcho | cafuego, http://lwn.net/Articles/127423/ |
| 22:45.55 | grivell | shek: Debian does not have 2.6 wlan-ng-modules. |
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| 22:46.12 | valdyn | cafuego: theres a new directory containing incremental patches |
| 22:46.19 | cafuego | Sharcho: Yes, I know it does that. I want to know WHY |
| 22:46.26 | grivell | mousex: It is not easier/better to do it that way. |
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| 22:47.04 | mwilson | cafuego: question... how is using Grek K-H's patchset (which is all this is) any better than using an -ac or anything else? |
| 22:47.17 | mwilson | s/Grek/Greg/ |
| 22:47.26 | chealer | mwilson: more stable? |
| 22:47.42 | shek | <mousex> is there a detailed how to ? I have never used ndis wrapper before and I am new to debian |
| 22:47.43 | mwilson | chealer: If it is. I've not seen any evidence one way or the other for that. |
| 22:47.44 | cafuego | mwilson: I don't know, *is* it better? |
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| 22:48.08 | chealer | mwilson: I think the 2.6.x.y scheme is all about stability (and maybe security) |
| 22:48.17 | grivell | shek: Use wlan-ng from its site. Download, compile, install. Very simple. |
| 22:48.37 | mwilson | chealer: Yes, that's what it's all about. But what someone says it's about is meaningless unless that's what actually takes place. |
| 22:48.39 | vkd | OT: hey guys, I am trying to play this BMWfilm, and main track seems to have director's commentary, is there a way to disable it? or list available sound channels? Format is quicktime .mov file (I tried #mplayer, but no dice. tried faq, nothing listed about it that i found... tried google) |
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| 22:49.15 | jxczv | i'm trying to totally remove a package and it seems that apt-get remove is not doing it |
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| 22:49.16 | valdyn | mwilson: look at the patches, they are tiny compare to ac or whatever patchset |
| 22:49.31 | shek | <grivell> i used it the pre 26 version, did a make config, make all and a make install and it still doesnt load a module althought /etc/wlan is there and wlan is also there in /etc/init.d/ but when I do a /etc/init.d/wlan start it gives FATAL module not found |
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| 22:49.45 | mwilson | chealer: I'm not about to trust a -mm or -ck patchset, but Alan's stuff usually works. |
| 22:49.48 | drac | jxczv: --purge, can be used with dpkg and apt-get. removes also config files. |
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| 22:50.08 | caphuso | mwilson: but he makes a lot more intrusive changes than in the 2.6.x.y series happens |
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| 22:50.22 | zb_ | drac, apt-get <package> --purge ? |
| 22:50.42 | cafuego | MAD CAT! |
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| 22:50.59 | mwilson | cafuego: I think the arbitrary 100 line patch limit is amusing, but not terribly useful. Intrusiveness doesn't necessarily mean instability. |
| 22:51.09 | chealer | mwilson: I never even compiled a working kernel, so I can't argue much. from what I've heard though 2.6.x.y is an interesting development for stability |
| 22:51.35 | mwilson | chealer: If you want stability, you don't use a late 2.6 kernel. There... problem solved. |
| 22:51.47 | valdyn | 2.6.x.x is not even stability |
| 22:51.57 | hiipii | what cds are required to install debian i386, do i need all 7 or can i download most of the packages later? |
| 22:52.02 | mwilson | chealer: 2.6.x.y is a response to the fact that even the ricers figured *that* one out. |
| 22:52.08 | valdyn | its "changes so small that they cannot possibly fuck up anything" or tries to be that |
| 22:52.10 | dondelelcaro | hiipii: you just need the first iso. |
| 22:52.14 | chealer | hiipii: you can download 1 or a netinstall even |
| 22:52.14 | hiipii | tyvm |
| 22:52.25 | netgod | hiipii: only cd 1 is needed to install |
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| 22:52.43 | cafuego | <heh> Cat climbed the hibiscus and the branch she was on broke off... |
| 22:52.50 | chealer | mwilson: what means "ricer"? |
| 22:52.53 | jim | hiipii: and even then, "needed" is a strong word since there are other ways |
| 22:52.57 | grivell | shek: ./Configure ; make all ; make install ; modprobe prism2_usb |
| 22:53.21 | cafuego | chealer: www.funroll-loops.org |
| 22:53.40 | chealer | cafuego: hehe, I remember now |
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| 22:55.21 | chealer | mwilson: I don't understand what you mean, but anyway |
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| 22:55.37 | zb_ | drac, got it |
| 22:55.38 | zb_ | thnks |
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| 22:55.50 | cafuego | I think greg KH is doing this (a new kernel a day) to keep the egntoobies busily compiling, so they can't troll everyone about their speed gains. |
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| 22:55.57 | chealer | hiipii: are you installing for your desktop? |
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| 22:56.30 | chealer | cafuego: haha |
| 22:57.02 | hiipii | yea |
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| 22:57.45 | benjimon | whats hte command to change a folder from root-only to all-users accessable |
| 22:57.46 | chealer | hiipii: if you start to use debian, you may want to try sarge instead of woody |
| 22:58.04 | netgod | benjimon: chmod 755 |
| 22:58.04 | cafuego | Don't you love the /. headline? |
| 22:58.11 | hiipii | where can i find that? |
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| 22:58.32 | cafuego | Didn't that email explicitly mention support WON'T be dropped? |
| 22:58.39 | caphuso | cafuego: yes |
| 22:58.44 | benjimon | thanks |
| 22:58.50 | chealer | !tell hiipii about d-i |
| 22:59.05 | cafuego | caphuso: I swear, they just make shit up, there. |
| 22:59.14 | Integer | is there any person know something about devhelp debian packages? I have some questions about that... |
| 22:59.17 | caphuso | but slashdot is doing it does best: stealing stupid headlines in order to enhance them with equally stupid comments |
| 22:59.24 | caphuso | err, doing what it does best |
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| 22:59.44 | jepel_tailweaver | "Some people stumble onto the truth, but pick themselves up and continue" Slashdot is like that |
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| 23:00.49 | netgod | heheh |
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| 23:01.44 | hiipii | so sarge is just the developemental release while woody is the stable? |
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| 23:02.09 | stew | hiipii: http://debian.org/releases |
| 23:02.24 | rama_ | Greetings ! I am trying to configure a graphic card on a Lifebook S 6010 which should run with i810, but I can't seem to have anything. Also the log file is wierd... |
| 23:02.53 | chealer | hiipii: more or less. there are 2 "developmental" releases. sarge is testing, which is the most stable of those two releases. it will become stable in a few months |
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| 23:03.05 | mwilson | Slashcrap isn't concerned with truth, they're concerned with hype. |
| 23:03.13 | rama_ | it keeps complaining about the same module which I removed ages ago from teh XF86Config-4 file. I erase the log file but it keeps coming back the same... any idea ? |
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| 23:03.17 | chealer | hiipii: testing is the next stable release in preparation |
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| 23:03.37 | netgod | theyre concerned with ad ratings, like every other media that has become mainstream |
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| 23:04.22 | Integer | rama_, did you reconfigure your XF86Config file? You can use xf86cfg --textmode |
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| 23:04.43 | hiipii | ty all! =) |
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| 23:05.16 | jazzka | hi! |
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| 23:05.38 | jazzka | which is the easyest way to convert .ogg to .mp3 ? |
| 23:05.51 | jazzka | I know it's not free, but I need it |
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| 23:06.07 | calin | Just gotta say, KDE is gross feeling. |
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| 23:06.25 | xal | is there a way to get apt to default to -V |
| 23:06.26 | cafuego | xf86cfg is satan. Don't use it. |
| 23:06.26 | Integer | jazzka, apt-cache search ogg mp3 |
| 23:06.37 | Integer | cafuego, why? |
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| 23:06.50 | cafuego | Integer: dpkg-reconcigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:07.07 | warpie | hmm |
| 23:07.10 | Integer | cafuego, yes this is another way to reconfigure it... |
| 23:07.15 | chealer | jazzka: sox, AFAIK |
| 23:07.20 | cafuego | jazzka: You're aware the MP3's will sound like shit? |
| 23:07.42 | cafuego | Integer: No, it's a BAD way. if you want to know why, read the top few paragraphs of XF86Config-4 |
| 23:07.45 | jazzka | cafuego, yeah |
| 23:07.59 | jazzka | but my music player supports it |
| 23:08.15 | cafuego | jazzka: Ok :-) You should be able to play the oggs and pipe 'em into lame or something. |
| 23:08.15 | Integer | cafuego, :) |
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| 23:11.28 | Integer | devhelp book packages (deb) has missed html files... so bad... |
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| 23:12.19 | BigBlockO | !find debian |
| 23:12.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'debian' (15 of 63): configure-debian ;; debian-builder ;; debian-cd ;; debian-edu-config ;; debian-edu-install ;; debian-el ;; debian-goodies ;; debian-history ;; debian-history-ko ;; debian-installer-manual ;; debian-keyring ;; debian-policy ;; debian-reference ;; debian-reference-common ;; debian-reference-de. |
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| 23:12.29 | BigBlockO | !find mysql |
| 23:12.31 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mysql' (15 of 94): acidlab-mysql ;; alamin-mysql ;; aspseek-libmysqldb ;; bacula-director-mysql ;; cl-sql-mysql ;; courier-authmysql ;; cvm-mysql ;; dbf2mysql ;; dbmail-mysql ;; dpsyco-mysql ;; freeradius-mysql ;; gambas-gb-db-mysql ;; gda-mysql ;; gda2-mysql ;; gnokii-smsd-mysql. |
| 23:12.46 | BigBlockO | is there a package for mysql? |
| 23:13.03 | stew | BigBlockO: mysql-server, apt-cache search mysql |
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| 23:13.11 | BigBlockO | because debian comes with postgresql |
| 23:13.13 | BigBlockO | ok |
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| 23:14.25 | WiFiTux | OK, what is the easiest way to install debian with a floppy drive? :| And with the least of them posible. I can Install woody! it's a P2 system. |
| 23:14.26 | shek | does anyone know of any wireless usb adapter that works under debian ? |
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| 23:14.30 | hellz_hunter | im trying to install aspell, and it says it cant install it because aspell-bin isnt installed and it cant install aspell-bin, but it let me apt-get install aspell-bin and i tried to install aspell again, it says that it still cant install it because aspell-bin isnt installed |
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| 23:14.37 | WiFiTux | shek, all of them? |
| 23:14.52 | WiFiTux | shek, oh wireless! |
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| 23:16.24 | chealer | hellz_hunter: what's your release? |
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| 23:16.44 | stew | hellz_hunter: you are running mixed sarge/sid? |
| 23:17.12 | WiFiTux | hellz_hunter, read. It's a version conflict! apt-get update ; apt-get -f install |
| 23:17.34 | hellz_hunter | yea running sarge, a couple packages sid but nothing major |
| 23:17.37 | hellz_hunter | just tryin to get aspell into gaim |
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| 23:17.53 | Integer | WiFiTux, do you want to install debian dist. from you floppy? |
| 23:17.57 | shek | <wifitux> yes I am trying to make my netgear ma111 wireless usb work on debian and it just wont work, I have installed the wlan drivers and it says sti0 unknown hardware address type 776 and wlan0: error getting interface address: No such device |
| 23:18.05 | hellz_hunter | WiFiTux: should that be apt-get -f install aspell? |
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| 23:18.30 | shek | <WiFiTux> I have tried everything a n00b can and I just dont know what to do except get another wireless usb adapter that people know works |
| 23:18.39 | shek | I dont have any open ports but usb |
| 23:19.10 | PERR0_HUNTER | hi |
| 23:19.12 | PERR0_HUNTER | i need help |
| 23:19.18 | PERR0_HUNTER | i have a new ASDL conecction |
| 23:19.41 | Integer | PERR0_HUNTER, don't panic :) |
| 23:19.46 | PERR0_HUNTER | and i cant get debian to work with it , i tryed pppoeconf |
| 23:19.51 | PERR0_HUNTER | but wontdo nothing T_T |
| 23:19.54 | PERR0_HUNTER | sorry if i panic :S |
| 23:19.58 | chealer | hellz_hunter: what do you mean "get aspell into gaim", it's a dependency |
| 23:20.00 | Xenguy | Integer: words of wisdom :-) |
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| 23:20.08 | Fackamato | anyone had any problems compiling ati drivers 8.10.19 on 2.6.10 ? I get compile errors and the module doesn't load... (fglrx) |
| 23:20.14 | Fackamato | k7 btw :o |
| 23:20.15 | stew | hellz_hunter: just apt-get -f install ; whats the exact error you are getting? |
| 23:20.23 | Integer | PERR0_HUNTER, what is your adsl modem's model? |
| 23:20.28 | PERR0_HUNTER | i think i need to config the network card but i dont know that either |
| 23:20.33 | chealer | Fackamato: try #ati or ATI howtos or google |
| 23:20.35 | PERR0_HUNTER | 2wire i think |
| 23:20.49 | WiFiTux | hellz_hunter, no. |
| 23:20.51 | Integer | is it a router modem or usb plug modem? |
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| 23:21.01 | hellz_hunter | chealer: libaspell is a dep, aspell itself is not a dep |
| 23:21.02 | PERR0_HUNTER | wait it says homeportal 1700HG under |
| 23:21.13 | chealer | PERR0_HUNTER: start by getting eth0 to work, really |
| 23:21.14 | WiFiTux | Integer, yes, I need to install woody or so and get that working. The easier and smaller the better. |
| 23:21.23 | PERR0_HUNTER | how?? |
| 23:21.33 | Integer | WiFiTux, did you visit http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 23:21.36 | PERR0_HUNTER | the led is on , both modem and machine |
| 23:21.41 | Fackamato | chealer: I've tried various patches and none works. And one other thing, should I apt-get the driver, or should I get it from ATi's site and do it manually? |
| 23:21.45 | WiFiTux | Integer, thanks vato |
| 23:21.45 | hellz_hunter | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:21.46 | hellz_hunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.52 | Integer | WiFiTux, no prob. |
| 23:21.55 | hellz_hunter | aspell-bin is already the newest version. |
| 23:22.17 | hellz_hunter | just trying to get spellcheck to work with gaim |
| 23:22.37 | PERR0_HUNTER | help?? |
| 23:23.06 | stew | hellz_hunter: when was the last time you ran apt-get update? |
| 23:23.11 | PERR0_HUNTER | the modem has conected both machines , debian and this one , and this one is already online |
| 23:23.14 | PERR0_HUNTER | this one has win98 |
| 23:23.31 | chealer | Fackamato: apt-get them if you can. check the BTS if there are packages |
| 23:23.45 | Integer | PERR0_HUNTER, is it a usb modem? |
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| 23:23.53 | PERR0_HUNTER | Integer : it has USB on it |
| 23:24.02 | hellz_hunter | stew: running it right now |
| 23:24.11 | hellz_hunter | stew: ill apt-get -u dist-upgrade after its done |
| 23:24.17 | PERR0_HUNTER | Integer : 4 network conections and 1 little sock where the phone line goes |
| 23:24.19 | Integer | okay, i think you can install it by pppoa |
| 23:24.43 | Aaton | anyone here use http://m23.sourceforge.net/ to manage multiple Debian systems? |
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| 23:25.11 | slocate | what's the default action for gnome-terminal to launch links? |
| 23:25.17 | PERR0_HUNTER | integer : what do i type in terminal ?? i tryed pppoa and pppoaconf already |
| 23:25.33 | Integer | PERR0_HUNTER, wait.. i am researching it.. |
| 23:25.38 | chealer | PERR0_HUNTER: try to ping your other box so you know your NIC is working |
| 23:25.53 | PERR0_HUNTER | chealer : how ?? |
| 23:26.03 | BigBlockO | where do i get the mysql.so module to work with php? |
| 23:26.20 | chealer | PERR0_HUNTER: use etherconf, then ping the other one |
| 23:26.36 | C17H21NO4 | slocate: gnome-default-applications-properties |
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| 23:26.54 | stew | BigBlockO: php4-mysql |
| 23:27.01 | slocate | C17H21NO4: where is that? |
| 23:27.46 | PERR0_HUNTER | Chealer : etherconf not working nothing happens |
| 23:27.56 | C17H21NO4 | slocate its the app that sets your preferred applications |
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| 23:29.16 | cheale1 | PERR0_HUNTER: use dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
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| 23:30.06 | PERR0_HUNTER | Cheale1 : it says is not installed T_T |
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| 23:30.21 | cheal | PERR0_HUNTER: apt-get install etherconf |
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| 23:31.13 | slocate | C17H21NO4: thnks a lot man |
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| 23:31.24 | cheal | how do you organize a 2 boxes network with a USB modem? |
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| 23:31.33 | PERR0_HUNTER | dunno |
| 23:31.43 | cheal | PERR0_HUNTER: how is yours? |
| 23:32.02 | PERR0_HUNTER | its a asdlmodem with 2 machines connected |
| 23:32.07 | PERR0_HUNTER | 1 usb port |
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| 23:32.25 | sky0 | slocate: run 'gconf-editor' if you have it; or use gconftool(-2); something like '/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http'; but maybe it just uses /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser, or the ENV variable $BROWSER. |
| 23:32.27 | cheal | and it has several ethernet ports? |
| 23:32.34 | lewis | i have never succeeded in getting mailbox quotas to work with exim4. could someone give me some pointers? i do have the standard lines in place such as 'quota', 'quota_warn_threshold' - etc... 'maildir_tag = ,S=$message_size' and 'quota_size_regex = ,S=(\d+)' - any ideas (already asked in exim)? |
| 23:32.43 | shek | need usb wireless adapter debian help |
| 23:32.51 | PERR0_HUNTER | yeah |
| 23:33.03 | PERR0_HUNTER | 4 ether ports |
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| 23:33.28 | doub | hi all |
| 23:33.29 | PERR0_HUNTER | i think it tryed to install etherconf but showed some errors |
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| 23:34.04 | PERR0_HUNTER | cheale : it trys to get ftp files |
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| 23:34.19 | abrotman | PERR0_HUNTER: what is your first language? |
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| 23:34.48 | cheal | PERR0_HUNTER: maybe apt-get update helps? |
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| 23:35.14 | devazion | Hi, how do i install a local package in debian? ('.deb) |
| 23:35.28 | doub | devazion: dpkg -i |
| 23:35.29 | stew | devazion: dpkg -i |
| 23:35.29 | cheal | devazion: dpkg -i foofile |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 23:35.33 | devazion | ty guys ^^ |
| 23:35.47 | PERR0_HUNTER | Abrotman : first languaje is spanish |
| 23:35.54 | phoohb | Hello Debian folks! Are there any divx encoder for Debian? |
| 23:35.55 | dafresh | hi all, how can i put all the output from my bash script in a file ? |
| 23:36.24 | doub | dafresh: [script] > [file] |
| 23:36.33 | caphuso | dafresh: script > file 2>&1 |
| 23:36.36 | doub | dafresh: man bash for the gory details (search for "redirection" |
| 23:36.54 | dafresh | doub: caphuso: ok thx for infos ;p |
| 23:36.57 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:36.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:37.21 | cowbud | !de |
| 23:37.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:37.40 | cowbud | haha but watchout theyt are sometimes unfriendly |
| 23:37.40 | cowbud | great |
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| 23:37.47 | jim | in ipmasq-4.0.1, how do you get it to not block the ports? |
| 23:38.09 | doub | i wonder what the factoid would be for this channel then (assuming there's one) |
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| 23:38.18 | sky0 | phoohb: "apt-cache search divx| grep encode|awk '${something_magic}'" == transcode & mencoder! |
| 23:38.24 | WiFiTux | what are most-have apps that everyone uses, that I might not have? : |
| 23:38.34 | Phated | screen? |
| 23:38.35 | stew | WiFiTux: screen |
| 23:38.47 | jim | WiFiTux: the one you have not written yet |
| 23:38.48 | cheal | !tell WiFiTux about popcon |
| 23:38.51 | skydoll | re tous |
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| 23:39.10 | abrotman | doub: /msg dpkg english |
| 23:39.13 | phoohb | sky0, Ooh how neet |
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| 23:39.28 | cheal | skydoll: this is an english channel |
| 23:39.44 | jim | that looks english to me |
| 23:39.49 | sky0 | phoohb: not exactly working, but I think you get the idea;-) |
| 23:39.50 | WiFiTux | stew, hehe, I have that one. gkrellm, iptraf... |
| 23:39.54 | cheal | oh, sorry then |
| 23:40.07 | skydoll | scuse me i make a /amsg |
| 23:40.11 | jim | it's irc-abbrv for re-hi tous |
| 23:40.19 | cheal | skydoll: that's not an excuse |
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| 23:40.35 | skydoll | thanks jim for the translation |
| 23:40.46 | jim | hmmm, except there's no tous? |
| 23:41.12 | doub | jim: it's "everybody" in french |
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| 23:41.22 | WiFiTux | cheal, awesome! |
| 23:41.29 | jim | oh :) so, my mistake |
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| 23:41.43 | daww | Does it matter if I use a kernel from kernel.org instead of apt? |
| 23:42.02 | cheal | daww: it won't be a debian kernel |
| 23:42.14 | cheal | !tell daww about kp |
| 23:42.15 | jim | daww: well debian maintains and patches kernels |
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| 23:42.23 | Integer | daww, well you can use your own kernel but i think it's not a good idea... |
| 23:42.34 | phogg | apache-perl was working, and then I apt-get install'd egroupware (which upgraded tons of stuff, including PHP) and now any apache segfaults. Where do I begin trying to fix this? |
| 23:42.48 | jim | in ipmasq-4.0.1, how do you get it to not block the ports? |
| 23:42.58 | daww | Integer, why? |
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| 23:43.08 | thorie | anyone here use mrtg? |
| 23:43.11 | cheal | phogg: check log files? you could get a dump core maybe |
| 23:43.15 | jim | I want to forward ports but it's blocking; there was originally a line to uncomment |
| 23:43.19 | violinuxist | who |
| 23:43.28 | jim | and they removed it from the file it was in |
| 23:44.00 | cheal | phogg: what's your distrib? |
| 23:44.08 | thorie | i'm trying to run snmpd, but i get the error: [init_smux] bind failed: Address already in use Error opening specified endpoint "udp:161" Server Exiting with code 1. ... What should I do? Any ideas why the bind would fail? |
| 23:44.13 | phogg | cheal: I can find no core dump (where should I look?). Error log files show no change |
| 23:44.16 | cheal | phogg: I mean your release |
| 23:44.17 | Integer | daww, becouse debian kernel package's are so fine to use... the package mainteners build the kernel with so good tuning parameters (performans) |
| 23:44.17 | jim | !anyone use |
| 23:44.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:44.33 | phogg | cheal: sarge mixed with sid |
| 23:44.36 | cheal | phogg: it's not generated by default. google for coredumpdirectory |
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| 23:44.42 | stew | daww: there is no problem using a kernel.org kernel, just build it with make-kpkg, /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:44.58 | stew | Integer: you can make .debs from kernel.org sources very easily |
| 23:45.03 | doub | thorie: look at what "netstat -ulp" says, maybe some program already sits at this port |
| 23:45.11 | cheal | phogg: apt-show-versions -u -b | grep unstable check for what might be the cause and check the BTS |
| 23:45.24 | WiFiTux | wtf is alpha? |
| 23:45.31 | stew | Integer: the debian kernel maintainers don't tune the kernels for performance |
| 23:45.33 | sky0 | phoohb: In fact both work quite well, provided you have the encode-codecs installed; you might want to read on some optimizations (2-pass and such); try 'dvdrip' if you want to rip or google some more |
| 23:45.33 | stew | !alpha |
| 23:45.33 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 23:45.57 | stew | WiFiTux: its a cpu architecture |
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| 23:46.05 | daww | stew, thats what I'm allways doing. Is it true what Integer says if I use make-kpkg? |
| 23:46.06 | WhiteRabbit | !absinth |
| 23:46.09 | WiFiTux | stew, yeah, but who builds it |
| 23:46.10 | carnage | i want to plug my guitar into my computer so i can record and create cool digital sound effects like echo and distortion and that kinda stuff... anyone know of software that can do this? |
| 23:46.16 | thorie | doub: there is nothing listening on udp:161 |
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| 23:46.19 | stew | daww: what integer told you is not true |
| 23:46.29 | cheal | hehe, #alpha topic : Red Hat Linux 7.2 for Alpha is downloadable |
| 23:46.32 | Integer | hmm |
| 23:46.42 | WiFiTux | cheal, lol |
| 23:47.02 | stouse1 | stew: he rounded off the floating point digits? :-( |
| 23:47.03 | daww | stew, ok, are you using kernel.org or apt when using make-kpkg your self? |
| 23:47.16 | Integer | stew are you sure? |
| 23:47.25 | stew | daww: i don't generally build my own kernels, but when i do i use debian sources generally |
| 23:47.29 | doub | thorie: maybe you can strace the server, to see what precisely fails |
| 23:47.31 | Integer | becouse debian has some of different packages for i386, i686 etc. |
| 23:47.42 | doub | thorie: apt-get install strace if not already there |
| 23:47.43 | stew | Integer: how would you go about tuning a kernel for performance in the first place? |
| 23:47.55 | stew | stouse1: what are you talking about |
| 23:48.00 | daww | stew, ok, and thats because? |
| 23:48.05 | doub | thorie: but i don't know precisely about snmpd |
| 23:48.07 | stouse1 | stew: you said integer was wrong :-) |
| 23:48.12 | Integer | and i know (but not sure) they are build it with some of cflags to use with that processors |
| 23:48.14 | WiFiTux | cheal, now, how do i query the popcon |
| 23:48.21 | phoohb | sky0, No I will record my own movies, from my tv-card and xawtv. And then convert the quicktime format to mpeg4 (divx).. BUT the only tool debian have to encode divx (ffmpeg) did't work (and it was a cvs version.. so I not bather writing bugreport). |
| 23:48.33 | cheal | WiFiTux: popularity-contest.sf.net I believe |
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| 23:48.44 | doub | phoohb: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:48.47 | cheal | WiFiTux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha |
| 23:48.59 | WiFiTux | cheal, ok |
| 23:49.02 | doub | phoohb: you'll find encoders and stuff like that in the marillat repository |
| 23:49.08 | stew | daww: no good reason |
| 23:49.11 | daww | Integer, I didn't told you that I am building the kernel myself |
| 23:49.40 | daww | stew, ok, apt-get install is faster then download it from kernel.org:s ftp i guess then |
| 23:50.15 | phoohb | doub: (im debian-sarge user, "marillat" does't exist ) |
| 23:50.20 | Integer | daww, okay |
| 23:50.27 | stew | Integer: then your claim is that the kernel maintainers are using a makefile other than the one that is in the kernel-source package? |
| 23:51.01 | Integer | no |
| 23:51.06 | Integer | i said i am not sure stew |
| 23:51.11 | stew | Integer: then they are doing something other than make-kpkg? |
| 23:51.22 | Integer | just i remember it so |
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| 23:51.28 | doub | phoohb: shure there is : echo "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:51.34 | Integer | But i am not sure i said... |
| 23:51.35 | stew | Integer: you can check the changelog on packages.debian.org |
| 23:51.49 | doub | phoohb: did you ask dpkg about marillat ? |
| 23:51.51 | Integer | stew, wait wait, i don't talk about kernel-source |
| 23:52.10 | doub | phoohb: it's all there : ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 23:52.28 | stew | <Integer> and i know (but not sure)... <-- wtf does that even mean? |
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| 23:52.52 | BenDrake | Yello |
| 23:52.59 | Integer | hmm.. stew, i am talking about kernel binary... |
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| 23:53.37 | thorie | is there a version of 'less' that does syntax highlighting based on the filetype? for example, if i did: less myprogram.c |
| 23:53.45 | stew | Integer: ok, and you are saying that its a bad idea to build from kernel.org sources becuase it won't be performance tuned? |
| 23:54.00 | thorie | or, if there is no such 'less' program, then is there a way to get vim to work as a pager? |
| 23:54.03 | mwilson | thorie: Use vim for it. |
| 23:54.16 | mwilson | thorie: vim has a 'view' target for a reason. |
| 23:54.21 | thorie | view target? |
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| 23:54.49 | max1mus00 | anyone familiar with installing mono on debian? |
| 23:55.01 | gravity | max1mus00: There are packages |
| 23:55.07 | Integer | stew i think i can't told you as what i am talking about |
| 23:55.11 | stouse1 | max1mus00: yup, "aptitude install mono" |
| 23:55.16 | Integer | it's my mistake... sorry to poor english |
| 23:55.47 | gravity | max1mus00: No, don't paste to me |
| 23:55.57 | gravity | max1mus00: And please don't message me either |
| 23:56.01 | gravity | max1mus00: Read /topic |
| 23:56.09 | max1mus00 | gravity: oops sry, too late :) |
| 23:56.20 | Integer | stew, i'm talking about kernel-image packages |
| 23:57.03 | phogg | cheal: can't seen to get a core dump. How/where is that directive supposed to be used? |
| 23:57.10 | sky0 | thorie: I don't know about less, but something like 'alias less="vim -R"' in your ~/.profile (or ~/.bash_profile) seems like an easy way. |
| 23:57.20 | Integer | stew, they are build kernel-image packages (mainteners) with some cflags for the processors i386, i686 or amd64 etc.. |
| 23:57.30 | Sontek | I'm doing this: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 24.231.172.17 --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.168.22:22 and then when I try to shell to it I get a timeout. Am I missing something? Or is it IPMasq thats causing this? |
| 23:57.36 | doub | phoohb: you need to allow core dumps by setting the core dump max size to more than 0 |
| 23:57.36 | Integer | i try to told it when i talk about performance |
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| 23:57.40 | herbi_ | hi guys... |
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| 23:57.46 | Integer | stew, is it okay? |
| 23:57.49 | doub | phoohb: ulimit or limit does this, depending on your shell |
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| 23:58.01 | herbi_ | im about to start a new software development project...wanna make sure nothing similar exists already |
| 23:58.13 | herbi_ | does anyone know of a process based firewall app...like zonealarm, but for linux? |
| 23:58.17 | doub | s/phoohb/phogg/ |
| 23:58.18 | herbi_ | 'cos i think it would be a cool thing to code. |
| 23:58.22 | cheal | phogg: it can need a few tries. see http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mpm_common.html#coredumpdirectory AND the note |
| 23:58.32 | daww | stew, are you using kernel-images? |
| 23:58.34 | thorie | sky0: that will simply run vim... i don't want to have to type :q to exit a view |
| 23:58.44 | ptlis | "There were also objections in some quarters to the continued presence of convicted brothel keeper and minor celebrity Cynthia Payne" |
| 23:58.51 | stew | daww: yes |
| 23:58.52 | xal | when umount tells me that the device is busy. can i find out which apps have taps on it? |
| 23:58.54 | herbi_ | anyone? |
| 23:58.56 | ptlis | Err, wrong window >< |
| 23:59.02 | jim | herbi_: ipmasq isn't process-based, but you might look at it for ideas |
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| 23:59.08 | phoohb | doub: I was talking about mpeg4.. ( and you are talking about???) |
| 23:59.15 | Integer | daww, i am try to tell you: "you don't need to build your kernel... the kernel-image packages are so usefull" :) |
| 23:59.22 | doub | phoohb: im sorry i ment to talk to phogg |
| 23:59.33 | sky0 | thorie: ok, then edit a (second) .vimrc and bind 'exit' to some keystroke (like ESC) |
| 23:59.35 | doub | phoohb: just did not hit tab enough times |
| 23:59.39 | daww | Integer, yes, I've heard people mentioned that before |
| 23:59.39 | mwilson | thorie: You asked how to use vim as a pager... that's how to use vim as a pager. |
| 23:59.39 | herbi_ | jim: yeah i just wanna make sure im not reinventing the wheel |
| 23:59.40 | stouse1 | herbi_: ZoneAlarm isn't really "process-based" as I think you're trying to imply. It does the same thing as iptables, essentially, in being a frontend over a lower-level kernel hook API. It's just a pretty GUI rather than a console-driven interface. |
| 23:59.47 | phoohb | key |
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| 23:59.59 | jim | if you try to invent a wheel, you will be :) |
