| 00:00.06 | herbi_ | stouse1: how so? |
| 00:00.10 | mwilson | stouse1: Apparently you've never used ZoneAlarm, then? |
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| 00:00.27 | phogg | doub: will try, thanks |
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| 00:00.43 | herbi_ | mwilson: what do you think about the viability of such a project? |
| 00:00.53 | mwilson | herbi_: I have no opinion. |
| 00:00.58 | BenDrake | hmm, hey guys,. Debian wont recognise my cdrom drive. How can I fix this? |
| 00:00.58 | daww | Integer, isn't a custom kernel supreme if you want best performance? |
| 00:01.01 | stouse1 | stouse1: I have. Is it different than I said? |
| 00:01.05 | herbi_ | mwilson: is it because you hate me? |
| 00:01.20 | herbi_ | mwilson: :D |
| 00:01.23 | stouse1 | herbi_, mwilson: I have. Is it different than I said? |
| 00:01.29 | mwilson | stouse1: Pretty much, yeah. |
| 00:01.30 | doub | daww: of course, but knowing how to achieve it is another problem |
| 00:01.36 | xal | stouse1: windows winsock actually lets you move routing into process space |
| 00:01.37 | Delph | herbi_: ooi, what's the difference between a process based firewall, and a capability based security model. |
| 00:01.42 | Integer | daww, sure |
| 00:01.57 | stouse1 | xal: Ah, whaddya know. Never knew that. Wouldn't there be a drastic performance hit? |
| 00:02.10 | mwilson | Delph: He wants to create something where, say, crapfox could browse, but opera could not. |
| 00:02.22 | xal | stouse1: nah. We are talking about trivial things for a cpu here |
| 00:02.24 | DaCa | herbi_: I have no fscking idea what zonealarm but if you want to go further than packet filtering you might want to look into things like zorp |
| 00:02.37 | Delph | firewalls dont tend to help against outbound connections (if you want to have any usability), so allow either "access network card" or "provide service on <port range>" |
| 00:02.40 | pureone | http://ww2.nero.com/us/NeroLINUX.html |
| 00:02.51 | mwilson | Delph: They don't? |
| 00:02.51 | herbi_ | ok obviously you guys havent used windows in a long time :P |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:02.52 | Delph | which doesn't need a full firewall, as such. |
| 00:02.53 | stouse1 | xal: Fair enough. Are there any advantages to taking them out of kernel space though? |
| 00:03.04 | mwilson | Delph: How do you figure? |
| 00:03.05 | herbi_ | zone alarm says "no processes can send data, unless you specify" |
| 00:03.05 | xal | stouse1: no |
| 00:03.19 | xal | stouse1: other than the per application routing which you can emulate on kernel level |
| 00:03.25 | daww | Integer, I'd remember that I'd had problem with my graphic card on a kernel-image, but I solved it with a custom kernel |
| 00:03.26 | Delph | mwilson: it doesn't *add* anything to the security of the system. |
| 00:03.35 | mwilson | Delph: Of course it does. |
| 00:03.37 | herbi_ | so when some trojan tries to phone home, its automatically blocked, then the software says, "do you want to allow this process to access the net?" |
| 00:03.42 | stouse1 | herbi_: which is great in theory, but 99.9% of users wouldn't know what the difference between malicious and innocuous network traffic is. |
| 00:03.46 | Integer | daww, how did you solved it? |
| 00:03.46 | Delph | mwilson: beyond "no process may access the net apart from this machine" |
| 00:03.48 | Delph | uhh |
| 00:03.50 | Integer | what is your grapic card? |
| 00:03.52 | Delph | s/machine/process/ |
| 00:04.15 | Delph | having a full firewall instead of a boolean yes/no adds very very little./ |
| 00:04.21 | thorie | how do i find out what shell im currently using? |
| 00:04.24 | karsten | herbi_: AFAIK, there aren't any such beasts widely used in the 'Nix world. |
| 00:04.33 | mwilson | <sigh> Why do I bother... |
| 00:04.34 | stouse1 | echo $SHELL |
| 00:04.48 | karsten | herbi_: ...we tend to approach IP security from a different PoV. In part because we tend to have more programs. |
| 00:04.52 | stouse1 | mwilson: because it pays well! |
| 00:04.54 | karsten | thorie: echo $SHELL |
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| 00:05.03 | thorie | ty |
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| 00:05.18 | herbi_ | karsten: sure...but it would be a good thing for distributions like linspire where people are connected directly to the net...or when sysadmins want to SPECIFICALLY disallow access remotely of a certain process (ala worm) |
| 00:05.35 | karsten | thorie: ...also your default shell is the last field of your /etc/passwd entry. |
| 00:05.50 | DaCa | herbi_: you could do that for example with grsecurity, or with rsbac |
| 00:05.54 | max1mus00 | anyone seen this error with mod-mono-server?: In ModMonoWorker.Run: mod_mono and xsp have different versions. |
| 00:06.02 | doub | herbi_: there are application level firewalls for this purpose |
| 00:06.20 | herbi_ | doub: finally the answer i was looking for. do you have an example, or should i just hit google? |
| 00:06.25 | daww | Integer, compiled the kernel which found the graphic card directly, compiled driver for my nvidia card |
| 00:06.31 | karsten | herbi_: The usual method in 'Nix is to either write a wrapper, chroot the process in question, give it its own virtual machine (with limited access), or limit access via a proxy. |
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| 00:06.40 | doub | herbi_: it's much easier to have one central firewall than thousands of ressource hungry ones on each box |
| 00:06.45 | thorie | even though i set /bin/bash as my shell in /etc/passwd, when i login, it gives me /bin/sh as my $SHELL... what is wrong, do you think? |
| 00:06.51 | Delph | DaCa: indeed, what i said =:) |
| 00:06.52 | herbi_ | doub: it isnt really resource hungry at all? |
| 00:06.53 | Integer | daww, i use nvidia too, but i didn't recompile my kernel |
| 00:07.00 | karsten | herbi_: ...and in most cases, proxy is the preferred solution. The proxy has its own rules for determining what traffic (up or down) is considered safe. |
| 00:07.05 | stouse1 | DaCa: are there any good resources on grsecurity? I remember seeing things about it when I used to compile the 2.4 kernel from Debian sources, but I entirely forgot what it was. |
| 00:07.17 | audell | Hallo! I really need help to set up my X server on Debian Woody 3.0. When I run startx, startkde etc. I get an error message wich says that there are screens found, but noone with a usable configuration |
| 00:07.21 | doub | herbi_: firewalls are often not, but a PITA to administer on each box |
| 00:07.21 | karsten | herbi_: The proxy is also centralized, rules-based, and logs its actions. |
| 00:07.23 | thorie | does ssh actually ignore the /etc/passwd file? |
| 00:07.27 | Integer | daww, if you downloaded the nvidia driver, then it could be... |
| 00:07.36 | thorie | $ echo $SHELL |
| 00:07.36 | thorie | /bin/sh |
| 00:07.39 | mwilson | thorie: No. |
| 00:07.44 | herbi_ | karsten: and yet a proxy wouldnt stop a worm from breaking loose in a network |
| 00:07.46 | stouse1 | audell: /msg dpkg no screens found |
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| 00:07.55 | audell | stouse1 thx |
| 00:07.57 | karsten | herbi_: Finally, a solid IP-based FW is based on a "deny that which isn't explicitly allowed", meaning you can block based on a bunch of stuff. |
| 00:07.59 | doub | herbi_: i don't know of any name, but i've heard of several for linux |
| 00:08.07 | doub | herbi_: google for application layer firewall |
| 00:08.11 | karsten | herbi_: Um. Depends on the worm. |
| 00:08.13 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 00:08.15 | mwilson | rei $ ssh iproute |
| 00:08.18 | thorie | oh nm |
| 00:08.18 | BenDrake | hmmm, i am getting an error when trying to mount my cdrom0.. fixable? |
| 00:08.19 | mwilson | iproute $ echo $SHELL |
| 00:08.19 | mwilson | /bin/bash |
| 00:08.23 | doub | herbi_: but most are still beta |
| 00:08.23 | thorie | i fixed it... i had a typo in /etc/passwd |
| 00:08.30 | karsten | herbi_: ZoneAlarm is effectively a proxy server, FWIW. |
| 00:08.32 | DaCa | stouse1: grsecurity.net ? |
| 00:08.42 | mwilson | BenDrake: Does anyone get to know what the error is? |
| 00:08.42 | karsten | !tell BenDrake about smart questions |
| 00:08.42 | poncha|work | mwilson, '' |
| 00:08.43 | poncha|work | karsten, '' |
| 00:08.57 | BenDrake | mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist |
| 00:08.58 | poncha|work | BenDrake, '' |
| 00:09.10 | BenDrake | thats the error that i am getting |
| 00:09.10 | poncha|work | BenDrake, '' |
| 00:09.12 | mwilson | BenDrake: And have you bothered to look? DOES it exist? |
| 00:09.12 | poncha|work | mwilson, '' |
| 00:09.21 | karsten | BenDrake: Gee, and what do you think you might want to do *now*? |
| 00:09.21 | poncha|work | karsten, '' |
| 00:09.32 | DaCa | herbi_: btw zorp is an application layer firewall |
| 00:09.34 | karsten | poncha|work: Um. Yes? |
| 00:09.39 | stouse1 | Away message? |
| 00:09.40 | mwilson | What a concept... actually *reading* the error message! |
| 00:09.50 | doub | poncha|work: you're kenny's brother ? |
| 00:10.02 | BenDrake | I dont know what to do.. Thats why I am asking experts. |
| 00:10.03 | karsten | mwilson: Ssh! You'll give away *all* our secrets. |
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| 00:10.24 | stouse1 | BenDrake: the error message is giving *exactly* the problem, to the letter. |
| 00:10.31 | BenDrake | its showing in the info center |
| 00:10.52 | mwilson | karsten: It's ok... the comprehension of your average college graduate today is down below high-school level. |
| 00:10.59 | stouse1 | The mount point /media/cdrom0 isn't there. It needs a directory to mount over. It's trying to mount over /media/cdrom0. /media/cdrom0 isn't there. |
| 00:11.06 | mwilson | "info center"? |
| 00:11.15 | gravity | What's the info center? |
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| 00:11.23 | Nwallins | i thought this was |
| 00:11.30 | BenDrake | yeah that lists your devices and whatnot in kde |
| 00:11.48 | herbi_ | DaCa: it says that...but im looking at it and it doesnt raeally look that way |
| 00:11.48 | karsten | !tell BenDrake about esp |
| 00:11.55 | mwilson | BenDrake: Ah, so you haven't bothered to actually look, or anything. |
| 00:11.59 | karsten | BenDrake: And we're supposed to know what desktop you're running _why_? |
| 00:12.21 | stouse1 | BenDrake: Just do a mkdir /media/cdrom |
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| 00:12.31 | stouse1 | BenDrake: pardon, "mkdir /media/cdrom0" |
| 00:12.39 | herbi_ | DaCa: it says that...but im looking at it and it doesnt raeally look that way |
| 00:12.42 | herbi_ | oops |
| 00:12.45 | stouse1 | BenDrake: the directory doesn't exist. It needs to exist. So...create it. |
| 00:12.48 | BenDrake | look, Im sorry i didnt give you all the info. my bad. but dont bite my head off. |
| 00:12.56 | mwilson | stouse1: More than likely he's running discover, and discover being crap, it'll remove it next time he boots the machine. |
| 00:13.09 | BenDrake | strousel, thank you for being patient |
| 00:13.18 | karsten | BenDrake: It's called user training. |
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| 00:13.34 | DaCa | herbi_: its heavy stuff, if your sole purpose is to limit which processes may make what outbound connections, i'd rather go for the grsecurity way |
| 00:13.34 | khanman | more like user bashing |
| 00:13.39 | Nwallins | karsten: aren't you missing an 'l'? |
| 00:13.39 | khanman | new-user bashing |
| 00:13.42 | karsten | BenDrake: ...y'know we're getting paid excactly what you're getting charged. |
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| 00:13.51 | karsten | Nwallins: L'no. |
| 00:13.58 | mwilson | karsten: You know, you wonder how these people get along in real life. It's not like actually providing details as part of a problem solution is specific only to computers. |
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| 00:14.09 | stouse1 | mwilson: you know, I've had that problem... |
| 00:14.11 | karsten | Nwallins: Whaddya think this is? Christmas? |
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| 00:14.31 | stouse1 | mwilson: I'd forgotten about it. Should discover/hotplug be run side-by-side, or only one or the other? |
| 00:14.40 | Nwallins | karsten: was thinking more along the lines of bofh |
| 00:14.43 | sky0 | DaCa: just in case you already *do*; you have read about the local root exploit; I still haven't upgraded;-) |
| 00:14.45 | mwilson | stouse1: What does the one have to do with the other? |
| 00:14.46 | gravity | stouse1: They can be run side-by-side |
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| 00:14.53 | karsten | Nwallins: No kidding. |
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| 00:15.23 | stouse1 | I know they can be run side-by-side, but I was wondering if there's a point. :-) Clearly KDE and GNOME can be run side-by-side but they're replacements for each other. |
| 00:15.36 | BenDrake | A big thanks guys.. I thought it would be some complex operation.. one directory. geez |
| 00:15.43 | stouse1 | I didn't know if they served different purposes or were both just different approaches towards solving the same problem. |
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| 00:16.01 | herbi_ | the problem with grsecurity is that it means you have to patch your kernel |
| 00:16.08 | doub | mwilson: maybe that's just panic showing up, making those people feel numb in front of the computer. i don't think you can assume anything else, apart from them being too sensible |
| 00:16.16 | PERR0_HUNTER | hi |
| 00:16.22 | DaCa | sky0: I have already had three kernel upgrades since that PaX issue :( |
| 00:16.34 | PERR0_HUNTER | i need help to config an asdl modem 2wire so i can use internet |
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| 00:17.36 | Sontek | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/up2Opb77.html thats the script I made to setup my routing but the portforwarding doesn't work.. When I shell it times out |
| 00:18.04 | RRT | anyone setup an SSH connection in nautilus? |
| 00:18.34 | RRT | i can connect to the server ssh with commandline but not in nautilus |
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| 00:19.08 | stouse1 | RRT: nautilus isn't an ssh client... |
| 00:19.31 | mwilson | stouse1: But it does support ssh, via gnome-vfs |
| 00:19.33 | stouse1 | RRT: well holy hell, never mind, it looks like it is |
| 00:19.34 | ik-ppc | anyone knows what is rm -rf / for? |
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| 00:19.51 | abrotman | ik-ppc: stop trolling |
| 00:19.54 | stouse1 | ik-ppc: rm -rf / fixes all problems with a currently running installation, pending reboot |
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| 00:20.06 | abrotman | stouse1: don't fucking tell anyone that |
| 00:20.08 | Xenguy | ik-ppc: yeah, look but don't touch =) |
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| 00:20.36 | RRT | google says if i add a public key on the server nautilus will connect (can't prompt password). how do you add your public key to the server with commandline? |
| 00:21.02 | ik-ppc | abrotman ik-ppc: stop trolling what is that mean? stop working? |
| 00:21.24 | stouse1 | abrotman: :-( I guess :(){ :| :& };: is out of the picture too then? =\ |
| 00:21.38 | zb_ | how can i search through apt-get packages on my system like gentoo's portage? |
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| 00:21.51 | gravity | zb_: apt-cache search |
| 00:21.52 | rui | [global] |
| 00:21.53 | rui | # Change this for the workgroup/NT-domain name your Samba server will part of |
| 00:21.53 | rui | workgroup = Workgroup |
| 00:21.53 | rui | wins support = yes |
| 00:21.53 | rui | security = user |
| 00:21.53 | rui | encrypt passwords = yes |
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| 00:21.53 | abrotman | !tell zb_ about search |
| 00:21.53 | stouse1 | zb_: apt-cache search |
| 00:21.59 | gravity | zb_: man apt-cache is worth reading too |
| 00:22.05 | simonrvn | stouse1: yes, your simley fork-bomb is |
| 00:22.06 | zb_ | thanks |
| 00:22.13 | simonrvn | stouse1: smiley even |
| 00:22.25 | Xenguy | hehe, love that floodbot |
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| 00:22.52 | rui | sorry bout that |
| 00:22.59 | sky0 | DaCa: my apologies; these times I really like the 'trust-your-local-users' policy, I really don't care unless it can be caused remotely. |
| 00:23.04 | simonrvn | @tell rui -about paste |
| 00:23.06 | simonrvn | @tell rui -about paster |
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| 00:23.19 | simonrvn | meh, sorry about that last one |
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| 00:23.59 | WiFiTux | Hi, off topic, is there a canadian around that can talk to me about the second cup (store)) |
| 00:24.05 | Cocheese | Any bug chasers in here |
| 00:24.16 | mwilson | "bug chasers"? |
| 00:24.17 | stouse1 | sky0: unfortunately, if there are local root exploits, this now escalates every remote-non-root exploit into a remote-root one. |
| 00:24.37 | Cocheese | 23 yr old gift giver looking for bug chasers |
| 00:24.38 | stouse1 | Cocheese: I've been known to wander after butterflies in a 4AM stupor |
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| 00:25.14 | rui | I want i can access the server with one client but not the other....(sing samba) |
| 00:25.17 | rui | *using |
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| 00:25.27 | paster | "rui" at 24.57.50.77 pasted "my smb.conf" (37 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/349 |
| 00:25.56 | Cocheese | I have problem |
| 00:26.11 | rui | any ideas? |
| 00:26.21 | simonrvn | Cocheese: poor choice of nick, unless you're the same nation as cochese was |
| 00:26.35 | Cocheese | Nation of Islam yes |
| 00:26.54 | simonrvn | nation of islam didn,t exist in the 1800s |
| 00:27.04 | Cocheese | thats what you think honkey |
| 00:27.26 | gravity | ugh |
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| 00:27.47 | Cocheese | I have a problem with windows pinball |
| 00:28.04 | rui | uh gotta go....i'll solve this tomorrow |
| 00:28.06 | rui | Thanks |
| 00:28.11 | jim | Cocheese: it fails to catch you cheating? :) |
| 00:28.17 | Integer | :) |
| 00:28.23 | Cocheese | you cant cheat on windows pinball |
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| 00:28.31 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 00:28.52 | sussudio | Cocheese: why should we care about windows pinball? |
| 00:29.12 | gravity | Cocheese: Stop trolling |
| 00:29.28 | gravity | Cocheese: If you have a question about Debian, ask it. If not, please leave. |
| 00:29.31 | Cocheese | yeah this isnt working out |
| 00:29.37 | jawbreaker | what package is libstdc++ in? |
| 00:29.49 | Cocheese | #gentoo has much more clueless nerds |
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| 00:30.09 | Cocheese | ok sorry for interrupting |
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| 00:30.24 | doub | Cocheese: we're glad to hear that. and ? |
| 00:30.27 | Integer | apt-get moo |
| 00:30.31 | Integer | :) |
| 00:30.35 | hexxeh | !moo |
| 00:30.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:30.38 | OutCast3k | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 1w 3d 22m [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium III (Cu), 794MHz, 256KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 108/126MB (85.71%) [|||||||||-] [Hard Drive] C:\ (3.85GB Free, 9.77GB Total), D:\ (0.46GB Free, 8.85GB Total) |
| 00:30.47 | sussudio | OutCast3k: fuck off please |
| 00:30.52 | stouse1 | jawbreaker: libstdc++5 |
| 00:30.53 | BenDrake | alright, now I am going to get burned at the steak for this, but I downloaded libdvdcss debian package. what command to I use to install it. |
| 00:30.54 | REdz | ye lol |
| 00:31.14 | Eclipser | !lose OutCast3k |
| 00:31.15 | dpkg | OutCast3k: You Lose. |
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| 00:31.50 | jawbreaker | stouse1, thanks. |
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| 00:31.55 | RRT | how do I copy a file from my machine to a remote ssh via commandline? |
| 00:32.04 | stouse1 | BenDrake: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | scp |
| 00:32.05 | Maulkin | man scp |
| 00:32.06 | doub | RRT: scp |
| 00:32.10 | sky0 | OutCast3k: hm 2600, isn't that a pre-release==warez build |
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| 00:32.18 | stouse1 | BenDrake: run that as root, handles everything |
| 00:32.22 | hexxeh | sky0, no, 2600 is the release build |
| 00:32.25 | mwilson | BenDrake: You couldn't have, there is no Debian package of it. |
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| 00:32.39 | Eclipser | but it's still most likely warez :) |
| 00:32.40 | douglas | What synaptics driver do I set for the driver of a touchpad in XFree with kernel 2.6... |
| 00:32.42 | douglas | ? |
| 00:32.44 | stouse1 | mwilson: I think he may be talking about a third-party package... |
| 00:32.58 | hexxeh | BenDrake, dpkg -i libdvdcsswhatever.deb |
| 00:33.02 | BenDrake | ooh, thank you again |
| 00:33.02 | douglas | I know with 2.4 it was synaptic or something, what is it in 2.6? |
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| 00:33.10 | BenDrake | alright :) |
| 00:33.15 | hexxeh | BenDrake, assuming you're not american. if you are, go straight to jail, do not p[ass go |
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| 00:33.31 | stouse1 | douglas: xfree86-driver-synaptics |
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| 00:33.41 | stouse1 | douglas: in the apt archive |
| 00:33.45 | sky0 | hexxeh: ok; I can hardly keep up with _our_ kernel versions anyway *g* |
| 00:33.47 | BenDrake | Canadian |
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| 00:33.58 | MetaMorfozis | hi all |
| 00:34.20 | stouse1 | douglas: If you don't care about the extra (mostly useless IMHO) functionality, just use Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" |
| 00:34.26 | hexxeh | sky0, i'm not sure why it's still 2600, given that sp1 and sp2 both had updated kernels |
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| 00:34.38 | MetaMorfozis | i'm using debian (in 2 days) and using kde, and i want to create a "printscreen" like windows... |
| 00:34.40 | Azar | July 23, 2002 : the birth of Woody |
| 00:34.47 | douglas | stouse1 , is that what I set the Driver to in the XFree86-4? |
| 00:35.00 | stouse1 | douglas: go to #flood |
| 00:35.06 | douglas | ok |
| 00:35.07 | mwilson | MetaMorfozis: And you're asking for permission? |
| 00:35.12 | hexxeh | MetaMorfozis, set the printscreen button as a shortcut to ksnapshot |
| 00:35.35 | Eclipser | yes, ksnapshot is quite handy |
| 00:35.46 | doub | Eclipser: is it anti-(software patents) or (anti-software) patents ? :) |
| 00:35.47 | MetaMorfozis | okay |
| 00:35.53 | MetaMorfozis | thanx |
| 00:35.58 | Eclipser | doub, first :) |
| 00:36.00 | sky0 | hexxeh: thought so, too; but I commonly get lost in that gui thing when I try to setup the smb workgroup, so I really have no clue. |
| 00:36.28 | Azar | interesting the Woody "testing" stage took only one year |
| 00:36.42 | Azar | um one year and 11 months |
| 00:36.50 | Eclipser | software patents will most likely ruin my life |
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| 00:37.16 | abrotman | !tell RootsLINUX about root |
| 00:37.22 | RootsLINUX | Hi, I'm trying to add this line to my sources.list but it won't find the packages I'm looking for: "deb ftp://ftp.linuxpl.org/fvwm-crystal/debian/ ./" |
| 00:37.22 | abrotman | ooops .. sorry |
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| 00:37.26 | RootsLINUX | lol, |
| 00:37.30 | stew | heh |
| 00:37.34 | RootsLINUX | This site says to add that line: http://www.linuxpl.org/software/fvwm-crystal/install.en.html |
| 00:37.46 | RootsLINUX | And I can see the debs there for myself |
| 00:38.26 | doub | RootsLINUX: apt-get update maybe? |
| 00:38.32 | Integer | RootsLINUX, did you try to use apt-get update? |
| 00:38.40 | RootsLINUX | I tried that too it says: Err ftp://ftp.linuxpl.org ./ Packages |
| 00:38.40 | RootsLINUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.45 | xerophyte | To load balance which file system good nfs or coda? or any other better one ? |
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| 00:39.04 | doub | RootsLINUX: either you or someone in your LAN is already connected there |
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| 00:39.13 | RootsLINUX | oh ok it worked now :) |
| 00:39.17 | jim | RootsLINUXlog out of your other session :) |
| 00:39.29 | Integer | RootsLINUX, becouse are always logged in from your browser maybe :) |
| 00:39.44 | MetaMorfozis | thankyou & bye all |
| 00:40.04 | Fah-Q | If I were to say... install a copy of X, is there a nice way to tell debian that those dependencies have been met? |
| 00:40.04 | ssh-2 | yes |
| 00:40.21 | doub | Eclipser: if that would only be software patents, i'd be happy |
| 00:40.22 | stouse1 | Fah-Q: I assume you mean installing X from source? |
| 00:40.42 | Integer | good bye to all |
| 00:40.48 | Fah-Q | stouse1: Right now I'm installing it into its own dir. I can set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to work around it |
| 00:40.51 | mwilson | Fah-Q: Why do you think you need to install X from source? |
| 00:41.03 | Fah-Q | mwilson: because x.org isn't in sid yet |
| 00:41.12 | WhiteRabbit | to enable extra features? |
| 00:41.21 | Fah-Q | and it strikes me as silly to have 2 copies laying around |
| 00:41.27 | doub | Eclipser: looking for jobs here, just quite nothing except microsoft exchange server admin, microsft office devel... |
| 00:41.30 | Fah-Q | WhiteRabbit: yeah, mainly the offscreen buffering |
| 00:41.35 | mwilson | Fah-Q: And why is that a bad thing? |
| 00:41.38 | Fah-Q | helps make gtk/gnome stuff look nicer |
| 00:41.48 | jim | why would there be two copies? |
| 00:41.51 | Fah-Q | mwilson: it wastes space, its not inherently bad |
| 00:41.56 | Integer | :) |
| 00:42.02 | Integer | bye |
| 00:42.07 | stouse1 | Fah-Q: xorg packages exist, IIRC. That would be easier. |
| 00:42.09 | Fah-Q | I don't want to have things in /usr that arent managed by apt. Thats all |
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| 00:42.17 | pipeline | Fah-Q: Uh, what the hell are you talking about? X.org doesn't have anything to make "gtk/gnome stuff look nicer" |
| 00:42.19 | stouse1 | !dpkg tell Fah-Q about xorg |
| 00:42.20 | mwilson | Fah-Q: No, who cares whether xorg is in unstable or not? |
| 00:42.21 | Eclipser | I just want a little job which provides me enough money to get a small appartment, fast internet and some computers |
| 00:42.26 | RootsLINUX | Did you guys read about Debian proposing to drop all architectures by x86, AMD64, IA64, and PPC? |
| 00:42.34 | Fah-Q | stouse1: well, that'd rock. I asked dpkg about it and it recomended a prefixed install |
| 00:42.41 | gravity | RootsLINUX: Not drop exactly |
| 00:42.44 | mwilson | RootsLINUX: No, we read the actual proposal. Perhaps you should. |
| 00:42.46 | Eclipser | but I want to write free software |
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| 00:42.58 | stouse1 | http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 supposedly has packages, so dpkg tells me |
| 00:43.13 | doub | RootsLINUX: i read the MIR space station would have fallen on Paris by january 1, 2000 |
| 00:43.13 | jim | RootsLINUX: Debian who? oh, you must mean Debi An... |
| 00:43.15 | Fah-Q | pipeline: the offscren buffering makes the gtk dropdowns not flicker when there's icons in the menu |
| 00:43.35 | mwilson | pipeline: I think he believes that. |
| 00:44.02 | mir | no i would have been fine |
| 00:44.06 | jim | but seriously tho, are the arch maintainers getting tired of maintaining their arches? |
| 00:44.16 | gravity | jim: No, not that at all |
| 00:44.24 | mwilson | jim: Perhaps YOU need to read the actual proposal. |
| 00:44.25 | gravity | jim: The infrastructure in certain key places can't keep this up |
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| 00:44.52 | jim | mwilson: perhaps |
| 00:44.53 | WiFiTux | mwilson, so you are proposing? that young? |
| 00:44.55 | TooSchlong | mwilson: Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? :) |
| 00:44.57 | doub | Eclipser: that's what many people want. especially here, i bet |
| 00:45.45 | stouse1 | I have to say, even though it's sad to drop full support for the other architectures, only having an unstable distribution available for them is probably the best way to go in the long run. |
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| 00:45.52 | SerpentWolf | folks, is it possible to resize or manipulate partitions on deb system withotu breaking it? this box i have taken over has an 11 GB /var dir, which is totally useless, while theres only 300 MB left on / |
| 00:46.07 | hexxeh | SerpentWolf, depends on partiton types & arrangements |
| 00:46.17 | jim | so it's because the archs are too different from i386? |
| 00:46.21 | mwilson | Whether or not an 11 gb /var is useless depends on what you're putting in it. |
| 00:46.30 | hexxeh | logs! |
| 00:46.34 | stouse1 | Although I'm rather perplexed as to why IA64 is supported while some other arches would go to the SCC architecture. I know why it is by the criteria, but according to popcon there are far, far more sparc and alpha users than IA64 ones. |
| 00:46.52 | stouse1 | jim: the criteria are listed on the link you gave us, or are linked from there |
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| 00:47.08 | gravity | stouse1: It's only a projection |
| 00:47.24 | jim | I gave a link? :) |
| 00:47.28 | gravity | stouse1: And the criteria are up there. If ia64 makes it, then it's fine. Other arches can always try and make it too |
| 00:47.33 | stouse1 | No, no you didn't. Oops. |
| 00:47.43 | stouse1 | gravity: I know :-) I just think it's kind of wonky. |
| 00:47.53 | hexxeh | debian is important for ia64 |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | ia64 isn't important for anything |
| 00:48.11 | pipeline | Fah-Q: That's a driver problem, which X.org will not remedy. |
| 00:48.14 | gravity | stouse1: There's very active support for ia64 in Debian |
| 00:48.23 | hexxeh | i never said ia64 was important |
| 00:48.27 | gravity | stouse1: Basically, it's kept up |
| 00:48.35 | pipeline | stouse1: In so far as ANY project on ia64 is active |
| 00:48.37 | Fah-Q | pipeline: well, the other box I have is using x.org and has the same vid card. So I guess I'll see |
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| 00:49.09 | pipeline | Fah-Q: You probably won't. Observer bias will cover the fact that XF86 4.3 patched to be up to date is identical code to monolithic X.org. |
| 00:49.18 | Fah-Q | Either way, it looks like a dummy package that supplies the appropriate dependencies is the way to go |
| 00:49.24 | stouse1 | gravity: that works; if the entire purpose would be to speed up the release cycle and IA64 is well supported by developers, then it wouldn't hurt to leave it in |
| 00:49.32 | pipeline | Fah-Q: In a double blind test, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. |
| 00:49.40 | gravity | stouse1: It's to speed up release and take the preassure off of key people. |
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| 00:49.44 | pipeline | Fah-Q: WRT dependencies, ask dpkga bout "equivs" |
| 00:49.54 | gravity | stouse1: ia64 doesn't seem to be a burden. Unfortunately, things like sparc are |
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| 00:50.05 | Fah-Q | pipeline: its also documented at debian.org. I didn't dig deep enough |
| 00:50.10 | stouse1 | gravity: I'm simply surprised that IA64 would be considered for inclusion over some of the more popular architectures. I know why they would be SCC under the criteria, but I would think that popularity would have more weight than it does, I suppose |
| 00:50.16 | hexxeh | at this rfate i'll never run Etch on a sunfire 6800 :( |
| 00:50.26 | Fah-Q | and if it winds up being teh same thing, no big deal. A wasted evening |
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| 00:50.37 | gravity | stouse1: Well, there's still plenty of room for debate. Which more popular arch would you put in? |
| 00:50.37 | Azar | SuSe takeover by Novell pushed customers to Debian |
| 00:50.46 | sky0 | pipeline: I guess some of those xorg devs won't be happy to hear they haven't done anything since the fork; personally I am looking forward to some additional gl-extensions, which the newer radeon driver will support. |
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| 00:51.05 | gravity | stouse1: And why should a more popular, but less maintained arch go in if it increases the burden on everyone else? |
| 00:51.10 | mwilson | sky0: Nothing earth-shattering, that's for sure. |
| 00:51.12 | pipeline | sky0: Most of the work is being done on the modular code base. |
| 00:51.18 | mwilson | sky0: nothing to lose any sleep over. |
| 00:51.25 | pipeline | sky0: The work being done on the monolithic code base has already been backported to 4.3.0-dfsg |
| 00:51.33 | pipeline | sky0: Debian is continuously backporting things to its fork of 4.3 |
| 00:51.45 | gravity | pipeline: Not yet it's not |
| 00:51.50 | Azar | gravity, to be honest very few are using nowadays Sparc or old IBM arch |
| 00:51.54 | gravity | pipeline: Very little of the work has been done off the modular codebase |
| 00:52.06 | gravity | pipeline: They've finally started working out how they're going to go modular, but it's taken ages |
| 00:52.13 | stouse1 | gravity: according to http://popcon.debian.org/ sparc has a decent base, with alpha behind it. I'm not saying they *should* be included, just that i'm surprised they wouldn't be :-) |
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| 00:52.28 | gravity | stouse1: Sparc has been a serious burden to the kernel team and d-i team |
| 00:52.37 | gravity | stouse1: Which delays release and makes things worse for everyone |
| 00:52.45 | pipeline | stouse1, Azar: The problem with debian on sparc is that linux on sparc in general sucks. No fault at all to the Debian developers, it's just that the kernel folks and upstream software projects simply do not care about sparc. |
| 00:53.10 | mwilson | Sparc is better supported by the BSD's |
| 00:53.25 | pipeline | Particularly NetBSD |
| 00:53.28 | stouse1 | That works. |
| 00:53.36 | pipeline | OpenBSD/SPARC doesn't support many add-in cards |
| 00:53.45 | pipeline | And FreeBSD/SPARC64 is, uh, a joke |
| 00:53.59 | Azar | hironically BSD will refuse to work on my hardware architecture so hey, Debian did not turned the nose on me |
| 00:54.28 | hexxeh | http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationalevents/cebit_hannover_2005/store/pf88_1.jpg |
| 00:54.40 | pipeline | Azar: I find that hard to believe. Linux supports no architecture that NetBSD does not. |
| 00:54.43 | doub | pipeline: freebsd is not much multi-arch yet, AFAICT |
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| 00:55.06 | toresbe | pipeline: well, NetBSD runs badly on everything :) |
| 00:55.07 | pipeline | doub: What are you talking about? |
| 00:55.12 | sky0 | pipeline: the xfree tree hasn't improved the dri/driver/extension stuff for a LONG time; why is the hardware OpenGL in unstable still version 1.2? I won't rip my system apart for xorg, but sooner or later it will be the standard (and hopefully improve some things; beyond tranparency) |
| 00:55.16 | mwilson | toresbe: Since when? |
| 00:55.33 | pipeline | toresbe: You're on ignore. |
| 00:55.35 | mwilson | sky0: Is it necessary that it be anything later? |
| 00:55.40 | doub | pipeline: you said FreeBSD/SPARC64 was a joke, but for sure, there aren't many people involved |
| 00:55.54 | toresbe | mwilson: Well, pipeline said that NBSD runs on all archs Linux runs on |
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| 00:56.01 | Azar | pipeline I have tried to install NetBSD and FreeBSD and both refused to perform the installation unless I would accomodate them for whatever architecture they requested |
| 00:56.15 | Azar | as such, I refused to use an OS that snubs my machine |
| 00:56.16 | pipeline | doub: FreeBSD/SPARC64 is fine as far as port quality, it's just that the hardware support is terrible. |
| 00:56.31 | pipeline | Azar: That makes no sense at all. As in, I can not understand your sentences. |
| 00:56.32 | toresbe | mwilson: Which is likely almost true, but the port quality of Linux surpasses NBSD's, IMO. |
| 00:56.49 | Azar | pipeline, BSD did not like the arch of my HD |
| 00:57.07 | Ken|JLimeX | the arch of your HD |
| 00:57.08 | Ken|JLimeX | ? |
| 00:57.26 | Azar | architecture of my Hard Drive |
| 00:57.42 | jim | geometry, he might mean |
| 00:57.43 | pipeline | Azar: Again, that makes no sense. Hard drives don't have an "architecture" |
| 00:57.49 | jim | geometry, he might mean |
| 00:57.50 | Azar | oh jim, yes :) |
| 00:57.53 | pipeline | Ah. |
| 00:57.56 | pipeline | That's user error. |
| 00:57.56 | Ken|JLimeX | aha |
| 00:57.57 | Azar | hi jim :) |
| 00:58.12 | jim | hiya... did you get your nvidea going? |
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| 00:58.28 | hacim | ugh, reboot doesn't work :P |
| 00:58.38 | RootsLINUX | I need to get a girl with a really sexy voice to record a login welcome for me. "Welcome back, Tyler" |
| 00:58.42 | doub | toresbe: there aren't (native) Linux ports, in the sense of the BSD ones. how could linux's be better ? |
| 00:58.43 | jim | !doesnt work |
| 00:58.43 | Azar | jim got a bit superbysy with work the past 3 days, but I have studyied a bit |
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| 00:58.52 | jethro | linux runs at least on 16 diff archs, while netbsd can run on 40 different |
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| 00:59.04 | toresbe | doub: Hardware support is rediculously better |
| 00:59.23 | DaCa | RootsLINUX: I dont think this is the best channel to find one of those |
| 00:59.26 | mwilson | Hey, I can destroy my Ubuntu box for it. |
| 00:59.27 | Azar | jethro as a newbie to linux every new distro gets me esily scared |
| 00:59.33 | KarlosII | question if I want to package a package where woudl I find info on how to do that? |
| 00:59.39 | RedPenguin | /dev/hdc1 is spacier then /dev/hda3, and I was wondering, if I type rm /var/apt/archives and then do an ln -sf to a folder on /dev/hdc1, can I do some better space management? |
| 00:59.42 | pipeline | KarlosII: The new maintainer's guide on debian.org |
| 00:59.45 | jethro | Azar: I dont' see your point |
| 00:59.49 | RootsLINUX | Daca, I don't think there IS a channel to find one of those >_> |
| 00:59.54 | jim | KarlosII: www.debian.org/devel |
| 00:59.59 | doub | toresbe: i can't argue on that, it depends on your hardware, anyway |
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| 01:00.06 | KarlosII | ty |
| 01:00.10 | toresbe | doub: true |
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| 01:00.22 | toresbe | doub: my entire Ultra 1 is uns. |
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| 01:00.37 | Azar | jethro: if I am trying to wrestle with a instalation of a new OS, in good faith , and that new OS is not performing kindly, I get scared and abandone it. |
| 01:00.41 | luite | RootsLINUX: you coulld try festival or another speech synth ;) |
| 01:00.46 | daww | How can I edit a .db file? |
| 01:00.48 | Azar | Surprisingly, Debian treated me ok from the first install |
| 01:00.59 | jim | Azar: you've chosen what many people think is the hardest to deal with... it's not really, but it's different enough to make people think so |
| 01:01.02 | sky0 | mwilson: I doubt the debian maintainers are going to backport stuff forever; most times I spoke to one, I was told 'the upstream source does that; we only package'; some certainly don't think so, but why code yourself? in a few cycles xorg will be as stable as xfree; just look at this list of (active) contributors. |
| 01:01.08 | pipeline | Azar: Easier isn't the same as better. :P |
| 01:01.25 | jethro | Azar: well, good thing for you, but I couldn't care less, and don't see how it's related to what I said |
| 01:01.32 | jim | it'd get better faster if it were easier now :) |
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| 01:01.42 | pipeline | sky0: I agree with you on that, holding onto XF86 forever isn't necessarily a desirable goal. Never-the-less, in the here and now, X.org doesn't offer the end-user any advantages. |
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| 01:01.47 | gravity | X.org will go in to Debian at some point. It's being actively worked on. |
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| 01:01.50 | Azar | pipeline, I was so pleased with Debian Woody installation at first that I got in a habit to do it often, once in a while, out of pure pleasure |
| 01:02.26 | jethro | Azar: do you pet the dolphin while doing it? |
| 01:02.28 | Azra`el | http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats/ is down. =/ |
| 01:02.35 | hexxeh | pipeline, doesn't offer you any advantages. there is a fair subset of end users who make use of the features in it versus xfree86 4.3 |
| 01:02.38 | Azar | haha jethro |
| 01:02.46 | Azra`el | how do i make debian re-run the network configurator from the initial installer? =) |
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| 01:03.00 | jethro | Azar: run base-config |
| 01:03.17 | jethro | Azra`el: run base-config as root |
| 01:03.22 | pipeline | hexxeh: Those being....? |
| 01:03.22 | Azar | that would be for Azra`el |
| 01:03.27 | jethro | indeed |
| 01:03.32 | BenDrake | where would one go, to change region options? Like currency and whatnot? |
| 01:03.47 | pipeline | BenDrake: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is a good first start |
| 01:03.49 | jethro | BenDrake: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:04.01 | hexxeh | pipeline, wider hardware support, vastly improved DRI implementation, and some of the new extensions like Damage |
| 01:04.14 | BenDrake | alrighty |
| 01:04.17 | pipeline | hexxeh: I consider the Damage extension to be Damaged in itself :P |
| 01:04.24 | pipeline | hexxeh: But that's another argument |
| 01:04.40 | hexxeh | pipeline, i think you're thionking of Composite |
| 01:04.51 | pipeline | hexxeh: I don't think Damage is a good idea either. |
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| 01:05.00 | jethro | hey thingfish |
| 01:05.33 | thingfish | hi jethro, how are you? |
| 01:05.34 | dpkg | just great, thingfish |
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| 01:06.01 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 01:06.01 | jethro | thingfish: as dpkg said, just great, and you? |
| 01:06.09 | Azra`el | Nope |
| 01:06.17 | Azra`el | base-config offers a ppp config, not a net config. |
| 01:06.21 | thingfish | jethro: still drinking those premium whiskeys? hehe |
| 01:06.21 | thingfish | dpkg is so sweet. |
| 01:06.31 | doub | Azra`el: man interfaces |
| 01:06.31 | hexxeh | dpkg is gaining sentiance |
| 01:06.33 | sky0 | pipeline: well said; I certainly will wait, but generally end-users don't agree on what_is_best_for_them. It recently occured to me, that users are *the* common enemy of admins and developers alike; we should get rid of them;-| |
| 01:06.35 | thingfish | jethro: fine, just fine. |
| 01:06.45 | abrotman | hi hexxeh, how are you |
| 01:06.46 | dpkg | abrotman: pretty good. how about you? |
| 01:06.49 | jethro | thingfish: I try to do it less often, just so that I don't get hooked on :) |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | wtf is dpkg doing? |
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| 01:06.53 | toresbe | haha |
| 01:06.55 | doub | Azra`el: i don't think you can have a gui-based nic setup after install |
| 01:07.01 | hexxeh | abrotman, ignoring you. he doesn'#t love you |
| 01:07.05 | doub | Azra`el: or tui, for that mayyer |
| 01:07.08 | thingfish | dpkg and I hooked up at the bar the other night, we were trying to keep it quiet but... |
| 01:07.12 | doub | Azra`el: s/yy/tt/ |
| 01:07.20 | jethro | heh |
| 01:07.22 | pipeline | sky0: End-users are idiots. The Wintel world has the megahertz myth. The Linux world has Gentoo-itis: An obsession with incrementing installed version numbers at any cost. |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | hexxeh: say "hi abrotman, how are you" |
| 01:07.36 | BenDrake | Nope it didnt work, I wanted to change to metric. |
| 01:07.45 | hexxeh | hi abrotman, how are you? |
| 01:07.45 | dpkg | hexxeh: pretty good. how about you? |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | hexxeh: see |
| 01:07.57 | hexxeh | dpkg, you scare me |
| 01:07.57 | thingfish | and let me tell you, that dpkg is a little TIGER |
| 01:08.08 | jethro | hah |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is doing weird stuff |
| 01:08.12 | jethro | a tiger on crack |
| 01:08.16 | jim | tigger |
| 01:08.45 | hexxeh | pipeline, the mhz myth is largely crushed, when a pentium 4 needs to run at 5.8ghz to keep up with a high-end 2.6ish ghz amd64 |
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| 01:09.10 | RRT | got an ssh connection with nautilus....won't let me overwrite a file on the remote. permissions i suppose, how could i fix this? |
| 01:09.25 | doub | hexxeh: it won't ever be crushed for those who started it : salesmen |
| 01:09.33 | jethro | RRT: man chmod / man chown ? |
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| 01:09.37 | hexxeh | doub, true |
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| 01:09.48 | jim | RRT: who are you sshed in as? |
| 01:09.58 | RRT | as the user on the remote |
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| 01:10.12 | jim | nm... read manuals |
| 01:10.13 | jethro | you mean a user or the User ? |
| 01:10.20 | RRT | should have permission to overwrite |
| 01:10.51 | jethro | RRT: man chmod ; man chown would really be a good start to fix your problem imho |
| 01:11.22 | pipeline | hexxeh: Yeah, walk into best buy and see how many people believe that. |
| 01:11.23 | Azra`el | mm. |
| 01:11.30 | pipeline | hexxeh: Or ask Dell. :) |
| 01:11.56 | Azra`el | K |
| 01:12.05 | Azra`el | so, the installer dosen't have network drivers |
| 01:12.12 | Azra`el | and, won't do a net install at install |
| 01:12.16 | abrotman | pipeline: they don't know anything |
| 01:12.17 | pipeline | sky0: Incidentally, it's not that I think all gentoo users are fools, it's just that I first heard the term as "gentoo-itis" |
| 01:12.18 | Azra`el | and there's no gui post-install |
| 01:12.24 | Azra`el | fun. =) |
| 01:12.27 | pipeline | abrotman: Yes, but they have money. And money is what matters. |
| 01:12.34 | hexxeh | Azra`el, is this woody you're using? |
| 01:12.38 | Azra`el | not that i care for a gui to begin with, but i'm used to a much simpler RC system |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | pipeline: no way! |
| 01:12.43 | Azra`el | hexxeh: Negative. sarge |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | how is the init system in debian not simple ? |
| 01:12.59 | pipeline | abrotman: Yeah. Money talks. Shocked the hell out of me, too. |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | pipeline: you must go to my bestbuy :) |
| 01:13.13 | Azra`el | abrotman, you ever use slackware / freebsd's rc.d system? |
| 01:13.21 | abrotman | Azra`el: among others |
| 01:13.27 | Azra`el | that's what i'm used to. |
| 01:13.28 | abrotman | Azra`el: i find it to be very easy in debian |
| 01:13.40 | pipeline | Azra`el: It's not as bad as it looks. Debian doesn't actually use the runlevels, they're just there for your convenience. |
| 01:13.41 | Azra`el | ok, give me a 30 second overview of the init process? |
| 01:13.47 | Azra`el | What? |
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| 01:13.49 | jethro | nite |
| 01:13.53 | Azra`el | how does that make sense? |
| 01:13.55 | pipeline | Azra`el: Step one, add your scripts to /etc/init.d |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | Azra`el: we use 0,1,2,6 basically |
| 01:14.12 | pipeline | Azar: Step two, add softlinks with a number at the front of the filename (e.g. S99foo) to /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:14.13 | thingfish | good night, jethro |
| 01:14.17 | pipeline | Azar: Step three: There is no step three. |
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| 01:14.32 | Azra`el | pipeline, that clears up alot, thanks |
| 01:14.37 | Azar | that would be for Azra`el |
| 01:14.46 | Azar | :) |
| 01:14.47 | poisoned1 | Hey all |
| 01:14.54 | doub | Azra`el: or you can also use update-rc.d |
| 01:14.56 | pipeline | `Azra`el: That is not an improvement. |
| 01:15.00 | `Azra`el | azar: that should fix the autocomplete problems. ;D |
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| 01:15.17 | `Azra`el | doub, update-rc.d works how? |
| 01:15.26 | `Azra`el | not as in, exact commands, overview. |
| 01:15.27 | poisoned1 | Hey guys, I have been trying to run a game server on freebsd and it's not working well so I wanna try debian. |
| 01:15.27 | hexxeh | badly |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | man update-rc.d |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | it's not hard |
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| 01:15.34 | poisoned1 | Is it good? |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | !tell poisoned1 about why debian |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | !tell poisoned1 about d-i |
| 01:15.50 | hexxeh | poisoned1, no, it's chaotic neutral |
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| 01:16.15 | Azar | abrotman, who is playing nethack? |
| 01:16.28 | poisoned1 | hexxeh is it really |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | Azar: is it larger than a breadbox ? |
| 01:16.39 | Azar | :) |
| 01:17.03 | c01100011 | how do i include xmodmap in my intrd ? |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | !tell c01100011 about init.d |
| 01:17.28 | zahod | is there a quick way to remove all unnecessary packages? |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | zahod: deborphan kind of does it |
| 01:17.58 | DaCa | zahod: debfoster |
| 01:18.06 | jim | zahod: define "unnecessary" |
| 01:18.07 | mwilson | c01100011: You don't, of course. |
| 01:18.09 | c01100011 | cool, thanks abrotman, ask and ye shall recieve |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | !tell zahod about deborphan |
| 01:18.44 | cafuego | jim: "abrotman" |
| 01:18.45 | cliechti | hi, i have a IR remote that is mapped as USB HID, mouse and keybaord, but the keys are not mapped well for me, is there an easy way to change they keymap of the USB device, leaving the real keyboard intact? |
| 01:18.45 | zahod | i.e. almost everything :) |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | cafuego: my mom likes me! |
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| 01:19.36 | zb_ | i'm new to debian... i don't have rc-update |
| 01:19.39 | _morbid_ | how to unpack a .deb file? |
| 01:19.43 | abrotman | zb_: update-rc.d |
| 01:19.44 | zb_ | what is there instead? |
| 01:19.47 | _morbid_ | just need some files from them |
| 01:19.48 | abrotman | _morbid_: ar |
| 01:19.52 | zb_ | zbrotman, thanks |
| 01:19.53 | pipeline | cliechti: With only one XF86 server running, probably not |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | there's a new one |
| 01:20.16 | jim | _morbid_: a .deb is a .ar with two tarballs and a text file |
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| 01:20.54 | _morbid_ | humm |
| 01:20.56 | _morbid_ | thanks |
| 01:20.57 | zahod | sorry, I didn't express myself properly, I'm asking about a way to strip debian of almost all the packages, with only the absolute minimum remaining |
| 01:21.11 | pipeline | zahod: Reinstall from scratch. |
| 01:21.18 | Azar | zahod, what pipeline said |
| 01:21.21 | pipeline | zahod: You'll end up with a just-barely-functional system. |
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| 01:21.49 | DaCa | zahod: easiest is to install a new basesystem with debootstrap |
| 01:21.57 | mwilson | zahod: Define "minimum". |
| 01:21.57 | cliechti | pipeline, yes, only one X server. |
| 01:22.03 | Azar | zahod you could reinstall only the minimum system and configure the sources for security only |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | zahod: deborphan |
| 01:22.17 | Lord-Cereburus | «ErrantEgo» yeah its slow here |
| 01:22.39 | pipeline | cliechti: It may be possible, but it definitely won't be easy. |
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| 01:23.04 | Mr-Debpack | my Keyboard is dead in gdm ! |
| 01:23.14 | abrotman | you mean in X ? |
| 01:23.22 | Mr-Debpack | havent tested in X |
| 01:23.23 | Azar | Mr-Debpack and how do you type in irc now? |
| 01:23.30 | Mr-Debpack | irssi |
| 01:23.36 | Mr-Debpack | on a another machine |
| 01:23.36 | RRT | ok, i am trying to copy the file sftp/nautilus to the remote. scp commandline requires me to connect as root. the directory is a virtual directory for the roots webserver, so root is owner even though it is in a users home directory? |
| 01:23.58 | zb_ | i don't want to delete apache but i don't want it to start everytime the system boots... what do i type update-rc.d del apache ? |
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| 01:24.36 | cliechti | pipeline, well, some driver is mapping they keys on the remote to characters and control keys, i was just hoping i could change the mapping without hacking the kernel module :-) |
| 01:24.37 | jim | zb_: you could try that... or try man update-rc.d |
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| 01:24.50 | Mr-Debpack | my problem is sticky |
| 01:24.56 | gravity | zb_: Just remove the symlink from /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:25.00 | pipeline | cliechti: It's easy to remap keys, the problem is that the X server only expects you to have one keyboard. |
| 01:25.09 | gravity | zb_: Or rename it to K instead of S |
| 01:25.09 | jim | Mr-Debpack: then you need soap and water |
| 01:25.09 | gnirtS | Anyone help with kernel compile from proper kernel source not debian? Trying to compile 2.4.29 and it compiles/installs ok but on reboot i get error about pivot_root and unable to find /dev/console followed by kernel panic. Even using a known working .27 .config file i get the same problem |
| 01:25.12 | cafuego | RRT: it only conencts as root if you don't specify a username when running scp as root. |
| 01:25.22 | thorie | how do i find out what program is tying up a certain port? |
| 01:25.24 | c01100011 | abrotman - i need a little more than the initd skeleton to figure this out , where can i find a more thorough walk through ? |
| 01:25.25 | zb_ | gravity, thanks |
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| 01:25.34 | abrotman | OT: any of you know a site i can upload digi-pics and have them send me prints ? |
| 01:25.40 | Mr-Debpack | help ? plz ? |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | c01100011: for what? |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: reconfigure X .. |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | !drxx Mr-Debpack |
| 01:25.57 | dpkg | Mr-Debpack: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:26.09 | abrotman | make sure you pick the right device .. and also . make sure it works at console |
| 01:26.24 | pipeline | gnirtS: Why are you compiling the kernel |
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| 01:26.44 | cafuego | gnirtS: Welcome to the joy that is custom cramfs patches. Just build yourself a non-initrd kernel. problem solved. |
| 01:26.46 | Mr-Debpack | dpkg: and then ? |
| 01:26.46 | dpkg | Why not apt now!? |
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| 01:27.21 | RRT | i mean that in order for permissions to allow copy a file to the directory /home/user/X which is a virtual of the root webserver it is requireing me to connect as root to copy files. was using winscp to move the files before and it didn't care if i connected as the user. thought that was ideal as not have to connect as root. |
| 01:27.24 | gnirtS | cafuego: its not that, cramfs is already on and compiled etc - ive come across that error before |
| 01:27.25 | Mr-Debpack | I dont know what to configure |
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| 01:27.34 | gnirtS | pipeline: because i need to apply certain patches to get something to work |
| 01:27.42 | jim | dpkg: do you really understand the things you're saying? |
| 01:27.49 | cafuego | gnirtS: Either way, not using initrd solves the problem. |
| 01:28.17 | gnirtS | cafuego: not using inird just a case of compiling ext3 & ide drivers as "yes" and removing "init" support option ? |
| 01:28.21 | Mr-Debpack | I need a Linux Guru/Pro to help me with this problem ! |
| 01:28.33 | cafuego | gnirtS: On an IDE system with an ext3 roofs, yes. |
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| 01:28.53 | gnirtS | cafuego: ok thats what im trying now. Guess i'll known in 4.5 hours |
| 01:28.55 | jim | Mr-Debpack: you're not going to get that unless you make it easy or pay... /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 01:29.07 | shingouz | cafuego: don't the ide chipset drivers have to be static too? |
| 01:29.14 | cafuego | gnirtS: aiyee? |
| 01:29.23 | thingfish | I'm sure if dpkg hadn't found a home here, it would have ended up on the wrong side of the law. |
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| 01:29.34 | cafuego | shingouz: See the "IDE DRIVERS" part of "ext3 & ide drivers" |
| 01:29.35 | gnirtS | kernels + modules appear to take about 4hrs on this box |
| 01:29.45 | cafuego | gnirtS: Holy crap. What is it? |
| 01:29.45 | shingouz | cafuego: k |
| 01:29.49 | gnirtS | PII-350 |
| 01:29.49 | Mr-Debpack | hum |
| 01:29.57 | gnirtS | (upgraded from a P200 which seemed quicker) |
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| 01:30.10 | cafuego | gnirtS: Did you disable all stuff you don't need/use? |
| 01:30.20 | gnirtS | pretty much yes |
| 01:30.30 | cliechti | pipeline, i have sid with xfree 4.3. the manpage sugests that one can have more than one keyboard. i'll google a bit |
| 01:30.30 | gnirtS | but nervous about disabling too much while ive got issues with things not working |
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| 01:30.53 | cafuego | gnirtS: That's why you always keep the old kernel installed. |
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| 01:31.15 | gnirtS | i have but removing something that turns out to be needed in new kernel could hide the real error |
| 01:31.20 | Mr-Debpack | buuhuu |
| 01:31.36 | mwilson | I build kernels on a P2/366 *laptop* (meaning slow HD) in less than half an hour. |
| 01:32.00 | Mathness | Greetings |
| 01:32.05 | gnirtS | i THINK i know what ide chipset driver is on here but not 100% sure |
| 01:32.12 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 01:32.12 | dpkg | hmm... cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 01:32.15 | jetscreamer | my p3550 takes forever it seems |
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| 01:32.18 | cafuego | gnirtS: 'lspci' will tell you for certain. |
| 01:32.27 | Mr-Debpack | is dpkg a bot ? |
| 01:32.31 | cafuego | mwilson: Then again, you're magic. |
| 01:32.37 | jim | yes |
| 01:32.37 | cafuego | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 01:32.45 | Mr-Debpack | ok |
| 01:32.48 | gnirtS | yeah thats how i got it. PIIX4. nearest kernel option i can find is PIIX |
| 01:32.50 | Azar | I cannot believe what I am reading, simple rumors or truth? after Sarge is there a possible removal of "nonfree" repository? |
| 01:32.51 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 01:32.51 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:32.57 | cafuego | gnirtS: That's correct. |
| 01:33.04 | jim | !who are you |
| 01:33.04 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 01:33.04 | jetscreamer | yes azar just eit the file |
| 01:33.09 | jetscreamer | edit |
| 01:33.18 | jetscreamer | fand apt-get update |
| 01:33.37 | Mr-Debpack | the keyboard doesnt work in gdm - Only in init 3 - But havent tryed to test the keyboard in "startx" (sorry for my bad english) |
| 01:33.39 | gnirtS | while im here..unrelated question but any idea why ppp on establishing connection seems to want to default to MTU of 32725 and ignore "mtu 1500" in /etc/ppp/options ? |
| 01:33.47 | gnirtS | (pppoatm for adsl) |
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| 01:34.10 | jetscreamer | aohell is 1492 |
| 01:34.15 | Azar | jetscreamer, I am refering to what the people say that the "nonfree" will become unavailable after Sarge goes stable |
| 01:34.25 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Note the difference between pppoe and pppoa. |
| 01:34.29 | jetscreamer | !info rar woody |
| 01:34.31 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.80-2 (woody), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 01:34.46 | gravity | Azar: No, that's definitely not true |
| 01:34.59 | gravity | God, where do people get this crap? That's exactly what was voted down months ago |
| 01:35.02 | Azar | gravity, thanks I sure hope so |
| 01:35.04 | gnirtS | UKs adsl implementation is PPPoATM but i cant work out why the MTU is being set/trying to be set at that. I have to manually ifconfig to alter it after establishing |
| 01:35.10 | jetscreamer | ah okie |
| 01:35.37 | Mr-Debpack | if this doesnt work ,Im chaning to another distro |
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| 01:35.53 | jim | Mr-Debpack: your choice |
| 01:36.21 | Mr-Debpack | jim: The keyboard doesnt work in gdm ! - Why ? ,i dont know =/ |
| 01:36.32 | jim | of all statements that make debian developers go "Oh no!" that's got to be it |
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| 01:36.54 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: did you even try running the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:37.03 | Thanatermesis | any person speak brazilian or portugaise please? |
| 01:37.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:37.07 | Azar | jim, what it seems funny is that some people come here thinking this is the official Debian customer support and you guys are paid to assist, then they go upset and threaten to move over to the competition haha |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 01:37.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:37.11 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: well ,I dont know what to configure there |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | the keyboard maybe? |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | hell . does your keyboard even work at console ? |
| 01:37.24 | dondelelcaro | jim: no, it makes us go "Oh, NO, Mr. Bill! Not the *RED BUTTON*" |
| 01:37.34 | thingfish | try #debian-br, Thanatermesis |
| 01:37.35 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: i guess that is a no then |
| 01:37.38 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Nice :-) |
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| 01:38.06 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: the keyboard settnings is "no" ? |
| 01:38.07 | Mr-Debpack | or ? |
| 01:38.49 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: i do not know what your specific settings would be, don't you see anything that looks even slightly familiar in there? |
| 01:39.12 | Thanatermesis | thx |
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| 01:39.48 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: im gonna try that - After I have the reinstalling/update is completed |
| 01:39.58 | gerardocb | Hi. |
| 01:40.19 | gerardocb | Anybody has a tip for enabling SMTP AUTH on a Debian Woody box? |
| 01:40.32 | gerardocb | I have it already enabled, but it seems to authenticate versus /dev/null |
| 01:40.34 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: Do u know anybody who had the same problem like me ? |
| 01:40.44 | gerardocb | s/versus/against/g |
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| 01:41.17 | gerardocb | S xhead |
| 01:41.18 | oR|hilikus | how can i kill a process by command, not pid? |
| 01:41.29 | jepel_tailweaver | killall commandname |
| 01:41.30 | pipeline | oR|hilikus: "killall" |
| 01:41.33 | oR|hilikus | thanks |
| 01:41.35 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: do i look like i am an oracle or something? |
| 01:41.37 | pipeline | oR|hilikus: Don't do that on non-Linux systems. |
| 01:41.50 | oR|hilikus | :-p |
| 01:41.52 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: no ,but - Since u gave me that tip |
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| 01:41.55 | gerardocb | s leonel |
| 01:41.59 | jepel_tailweaver | On Solaris, 'killall' will do literally that: kill all processes |
| 01:42.03 | jim | oR|hilikus: or in rooms full of assassins |
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| 01:42.15 | leonel | ese gerardocb |
| 01:42.21 | dbindner | I tend to prefer 'skill' for killing by command or user, etc. |
| 01:42.25 | gerardocb | leonel, xhead? |
| 01:42.48 | leonel | ei |
| 01:42.49 | Azar | jim did you ever tried Doom manager in Debian? |
| 01:42.54 | gerardocb | Ah ora |
| 01:43.08 | leonel | andas perdido ? |
| 01:43.08 | jim | managed doom... |
| 01:43.16 | gerardocb | Pos no |
| 01:43.17 | jim | hellraiser series! |
| 01:43.20 | gerardocb | Por eso vine aqui |
| 01:43.23 | gerardocb | Bueno, si |
| 01:43.25 | gerardocb | Por eso vine aqui! |
| 01:43.28 | gerardocb | Hehehe |
| 01:43.34 | gravity | !spanish |
| 01:43.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:43.44 | jim | Azar: no I haven't |
| 01:43.48 | Azar | jim there was a nice project, unfortunately dropped with the Doom game interface that will kill the processes |
| 01:43.57 | gerardocb | I can't get SMTP AUTH on Debian Woody + sendmail |
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| 01:44.24 | leonel | gerardocb: has to be sendmail ? |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | don't use sendmail? |
| 01:44.52 | gerardocb | Well... I'm using Mailscanner, and it seems to work so tightly with sendmail |
| 01:44.52 | leonel | gerardocb: use postfix :) |
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| 01:45.16 | gerardocb | Is there any way to make postfix authenticate against local users? |
| 01:45.27 | gerardocb | I think it only works with sasldb |
| 01:45.27 | leonel | gerardocb: yes |
| 01:45.31 | gerardocb | Ahhhhh! |
| 01:45.36 | gerardocb | That's for me! |
| 01:45.42 | gerardocb | In woody?? |
| 01:45.49 | leonel | gerardocb: you can make it work with pam |
| 01:45.59 | gerardocb | Ooohhhh |
| 01:46.04 | gerardocb | That's so sweat to read... |
| 01:46.10 | gerardocb | I like postfix, indeed |
| 01:46.22 | jim | like sweating with the oldies? |
| 01:46.25 | gerardocb | Is there any howto? |
| 01:46.28 | Azar | :) |
| 01:46.34 | Mr-Debpack | I have been in init 3 whole day |
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| 01:46.46 | max1mus00 | any of you guys ever see this problem while running mod-mono-server? In ModMonoWorker.Run: mod_mono and xsp have different versions. |
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| 01:47.19 | Azar | jim put me in init in only 2 hours |
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| 01:47.40 | doub | max1mus00: maybe that's because mod_mono and xsp have different versions. but i'm just guessing here |
| 01:47.42 | gerardocb | leonel, does postfix work fine with Mailscanner? |
| 01:48.02 | leonel | gerardocb: i don't know I haven't used mailscanner |
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| 01:48.20 | Python | hello everyone |
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| 01:48.28 | gerardocb | Ok |
| 01:48.32 | gerardocb | I'm gonna check that |
| 01:48.40 | leonel | gerardocb http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/postfixsasl.html |
| 01:48.47 | max1mus00 | doub: they're both 1.05 |
| 01:48.53 | leonel | wrong |
| 01:48.54 | Python | can andyone tell me what package i have to install to use aclocal |
| 01:49.12 | Mr-Debpack | jim: what is the standard norwegian "tastekart" ? |
| 01:49.13 | jim | autocong |
| 01:49.15 | jim | autoconf |
| 01:49.20 | gerardocb | leonel: pwcheck_method: sasldb |
| 01:49.28 | leonel | yes |
| 01:49.38 | gerardocb | leonel: what if I want to use pam? |
| 01:49.38 | leonel | let me see |
| 01:49.42 | jim | I don't know any norwegian |
| 01:49.43 | gerardocb | pwcheck_method: pam? |
| 01:49.47 | leonel | yes |
| 01:49.54 | gerardocb | Ummmm!! |
| 01:49.59 | gerardocb | It sounds so easy... |
| 01:50.31 | leonel | and /etc/pam.d |
| 01:50.39 | leonel | create a smtp file |
| 01:50.51 | leonel | with |
| 01:51.26 | gerardocb | auth required pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass |
| 01:51.28 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: keymap? i am not sure which one it should be though |
| 01:51.28 | leonel | the options you need |
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| 01:51.40 | Mr-Debpack | rgr |
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| 01:52.05 | shingouz | Mr-Debpack: try "no" for it or whatever your countrycode is there |
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| 01:52.12 | gerardocb | Ok... |
| 01:52.22 | gerardocb | I'm gonna look for Mailscanner + Postfix |
| 01:52.41 | leonel | http://sysadmin.cs.caltech.edu/docs/systems/postfix_ssl_sasl_ldap |
| 01:52.53 | Mr-Debpack | shingouz: to late |
| 01:53.06 | leonel | gerardocb: http://sysadmin.cs.caltech.edu/docs/systems/postfix_ssl_sasl_ldap |
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| 01:53.08 | FieldySnuts | @fuck squid-users mailing list for not responding to unsubscribe requests |
| 01:53.34 | gerardocb | leonel: http://www.sng.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailscanner/install/postfix.shtml |
| 01:53.41 | gerardocb | Hehehehe... sweat.... |
| 01:53.54 | leonel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.31 | zb_ | i'm having trouble finding information on how to have root goto the plone site... instead it goes to Zope's Quick Start |
| 01:54.41 | gerardocb | Ok... thank you leonel |
| 01:54.41 | leonel | gerardocb: postfix rocks |
| 01:54.54 | gerardocb | leonel: yeah...! No doubt! |
| 01:54.55 | doub | max1mus00: i don't know if that's part of the problem, but libapache-mod-mono is 1.0 in sid |
| 01:55.03 | zb_ | what should i modify index_html to in ZMI? |
| 01:55.06 | gerardocb | Gracias a todos, muchachones! |
| 01:55.07 | gerardocb | :-D |
| 01:55.11 | zb_ | oops... wrong channel |
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| 01:55.38 | Mr-Debpack | satans dritt |
| 01:56.48 | benjamindees | hmm, is nobody here or is something broken? |
| 01:56.52 | Mookie | Hrm, any way to let regular users run ifup/ifdown without invoking sudo? |
| 01:57.19 | FieldySnuts | i sure hope not |
| 01:57.19 | debian | benjamindees: nobody's here |
| 01:57.21 | benjamindees | Mookie, man chmod |
| 01:57.51 | sussudio | Mookie: you're not the same one that wanted users to use fdisk, right? |
| 01:57.54 | Mookie | benjamindees: Yes. The would give permission to execute the binary, but does it give them access to the interface itself? |
| 01:57.57 | benjamindees | debian, too busy posting on /. :) |
| 01:58.04 | Mookie | sussudio: Err... no. :) |
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| 01:58.15 | benjamindees | Mookie, suid root |
| 01:58.55 | doub | Mookie: why do you want to do that, anyway ? |
| 01:58.55 | Python | dous anyone know what package i have to install to run the command aclocal |
| 01:58.56 | Mookie | blech, surely there's got to be a good way using group permissions. Maybe not. *shrug* |
| 01:59.03 | Mr-Debpack | im gonna take a bath |
| 01:59.07 | stew | Mookie: what's wrong with sudo? |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | thank god i know that |
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| 01:59.27 | gravity | That made my night |
| 01:59.34 | Mookie | stew: It more of pain than it's worth. But certainly works. |
| 01:59.39 | stew | abrotman: know what? |
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| 01:59.55 | doub | Mr-Debpack: that's a good idea. i'd like to, but i can't |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | stew: about Mr-Debpack |
| 02:00.31 | doub | oh, and did i tell you all that I took a cofee this morning ? |
| 02:00.35 | Python | ill take that as no one knows what package to install to get the command aclocal? |
| 02:00.51 | gravity | Isn't that in autoconf? |
| 02:01.10 | benjamindees | yeah, autotools maybe |
| 02:01.40 | doub | Python: automake1.4 in sid |
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| 02:02.00 | Python | thanks |
| 02:02.01 | dbindner | On my system, /usr/bin/aclocal-1.4 is porvided by automake1.4. |
| 02:02.03 | doub | Python: packages.debian.org is your friend for this kind of questions |
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| 02:02.22 | stew | apt-file is an even better friend |
| 02:02.24 | Python | i have never heard of that thanks for the site |
| 02:02.28 | Seb | is there an easy generic way to hide the cursor in an x-terminal, or is it actually terminal-dependent ? |
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| 02:02.40 | DFuzzy1 | how do I set up wlan0 on my system? |
| 02:02.55 | doub | DFuzzy1: using the right tools and a bit of patience |
| 02:02.57 | DFuzzy1 | I have ndiswrapper and the card drivers, but the interface refuses to show up |
| 02:02.59 | DFuzzy1 | boo |
| 02:03.26 | gravity | Seb: unclutter is pretty good |
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| 02:04.34 | doub | maybe mwilson has an answer ? :) |
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| 02:05.43 | benjamindees | this is eerie... nobody is talking |
| 02:06.04 | pipeline | benjamindees: Heaven's a lie and gnomes are waiting to eat you on the other side of this life. |
| 02:06.07 | pipeline | How's that for eerie/ |
| 02:06.26 | benjamindees | pipeline, not suprising :) |
| 02:06.42 | RootsLINUX | Wow. I just setup fvwm-crystal and it looks freaking amazing |
| 02:06.51 | RootsLINUX | This is the WM that was made for me |
| 02:06.51 | benjamindees | not as suprising as #debian being idle this time of day... |
| 02:07.07 | Seb | gravity: heh, *cursor* not *mouse pointer* :) |
| 02:08.17 | benjamindees | well I upgraded from Knoppix to testing... it's amazing that it worked mostly |
| 02:08.23 | `Azra`el | so |
| 02:08.31 | gravity | Seb: Ah. Oops. :-) |
| 02:08.57 | RootsLINUX | rawr |
| 02:08.58 | `Azra`el | interfaces is set, as far as i can tell, properly. typing dhclient works now, but the machine dosen't do network configuration on boot. |
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| 02:09.28 | doub | benjamindees: better luck next time :) |
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| 02:09.58 | Seb | `Azra`el: maybe it's not loading the required module at boot: echo yourNICModule >> /etc/modules |
| 02:10.02 | vladster | got a question about setting up grub on a windows drive that had grub damaged when it was ghosted to a larger drive |
| 02:10.49 | `Azra`el | yeah, it is. |
| 02:10.53 | benjamindees | vladster, "damaged" as in how, does grub come up on boot? |
| 02:11.08 | `Azra`el | i'm sure i'm just missing something in interfaces, i'll figure it out. |
| 02:11.08 | Linuxs | How do I access the CDrom in terminal? |
| 02:11.18 | WiFiTux | Linuxs, cd /cdrom? |
| 02:11.26 | Linuxs | :) Thank you |
| 02:12.11 | vladster | comes up with an error 17 |
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| 02:12.25 | doub | benjamindees: but dpkg is here to help in this case with the "!start a .* war", you don't even have to think about it |
| 02:13.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a browser war |
| 02:13.39 | ravenbird | telnet more useful than ie |
| 02:13.45 | FieldySnuts | that made sense. |
| 02:14.04 | doub | !qotd |
| 02:14.05 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 02:14.06 | benjamindees | doub, oh, that's been automated already? I was just about to do it manually... |
| 02:14.16 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 02:14.16 | dpkg | < cafuego> Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 02:14.25 | doub | hum |
| 02:14.38 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
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| 02:14.59 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 02:15.11 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 02:15.11 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 02:15.18 | vladster | is there a grub command that works for reinstaling to the master boot record of the ide master drive? |
| 02:15.29 | benjamindees | vladster, can you mount your partition (in question) from a bootable cd? |
| 02:15.30 | doub | vladster: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 02:15.37 | jim | vladster: install |
| 02:15.39 | jepel_tailweaver | vladkao, in the grub shell, setup (hd0) |
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| 02:15.51 | jim | oh, setup |
| 02:16.09 | dabreegster | Anybody know if the libsdl1.2 packages have svgalib enabled? #sdl is quiet. |
| 02:16.15 | vladster | I think so |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | look in the building rules |
| 02:17.04 | dabreegster | abrotman: where's that? /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
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| 02:18.02 | doub | dabreegster: in the source diff |
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| 02:18.21 | dabreegster | It must not be for me; I set SDL_VIDEODRIVER to "svgalib" and ran vecteroids. It couldn't find a video device and I know svgalib works fine on my box. |
| 02:18.31 | dabreegster | doub: ok. I guess I'll compile it myself now. |
| 02:18.51 | ireverentReveren | ÒkÍè ÐøKîÉ |
| 02:18.59 | doub | dabreegster: you can grab the deb source "apt-get source <pkg>", and just change the build rule, then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:19.19 | doub | dabreegster: it already quite works with framebuffer |
| 02:19.27 | WiFiTux | someone knows what is the gkrellm swimming duck for? what does it do! |
| 02:19.29 | Linuxs | Driver listing of /cdrom is cdrom0 instead of the files on the CD? |
| 02:19.33 | dabreegster | doub: ok. but fb on my machine is kinda screwy. |
| 02:19.45 | ireverentReveren | i have a directory full of txt documents, one of which contains the line "EM>>" how do i find out which one it is? I want to change that line to "<<EM>>".. |
| 02:19.48 | dabreegster | doub: Too bad it can't use cvidix like mplayer can; my card supports it really well. |
| 02:19.53 | WiFiTux | Linuxs, mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 02:20.07 | Kvant | WiFiTux, it represents... a duck :) |
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| 02:20.14 | Mathness | The duck is there to have something cute to look at :p |
| 02:20.15 | Linuxs | WiFiTux: ok |
| 02:20.32 | WiFiTux | Kvant Mathness no, the tide, what does it mean then |
| 02:20.33 | benjamindees | irreverentReveren, grep "EM" *.txt |
| 02:20.48 | dbindner | grep 'EM>>' *.txt |
| 02:20.50 | Mathness | True, but the duck is just there |
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| 02:21.03 | WiFiTux | ireverentReveren, basic Linux+ question.. |
| 02:21.17 | WiFiTux | Mathness, I'm asking about the tide :) |
| 02:21.23 | doub | dabreegster: you're free to make it work. but that's as always, easier to say than to do |
| 02:21.29 | ireverentReveren | dbindner yeah, tried that.. that just shows me teh line it is on, but not wich document it is in... |
| 02:21.42 | Mathness | tide is memory use, I think |
| 02:21.48 | dbindner | Mookie: grep 'EM>>' /dev/null *.txt |
| 02:22.00 | WiFiTux | Mathness, PHY?" |
| 02:22.01 | dabreegster | doub: It'd be cool, but I've yet to learn C. |
| 02:22.06 | Linuxs | WiFiTux: mount: you must specify the filesystem type? |
| 02:22.19 | ireverentReveren | dbindner? |
| 02:22.22 | WiFiTux | Linuxs, hhm shouldn't say that in a cdrom, but not really. |
| 02:22.47 | Mathness | WiFiTux, try filling you memory, the waterline should rise up |
| 02:22.57 | WiFiTux | Mathness, there's a test? |
| 02:23.00 | WiFiTux | me see |
| 02:23.02 | dbindner | If you don't see the file name, it is probably because *.txt is only a single file. Just edit that. |
| 02:23.35 | dbindner | You can use grep -l... |
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| 02:24.13 | nyeri_p00lenta | hey anybody getting screen freezes in woody? |
| 02:24.41 | ireverentReveren | dbindner got it, thanks |
| 02:25.01 | dabreegster | nyeri_p00lenta: yeah, the snowstorms down here are really rough; my monitor is covered in ice. |
| 02:25.01 | Mathness | WiFiTux, try wiewing some large images in a few windows |
| 02:25.14 | Kvant | WiFiTux, yes, water level is memory usage... try look at it when some program has a memory leak :) |
| 02:25.15 | WiFiTux | Mathness, look fat women porno? |
| 02:25.21 | nyeri_p00lenta | duh |
| 02:25.33 | Mathness | lol |
| 02:25.51 | dabreegster | Whoa, build package for SDL isn't too pretty. :P |
| 02:25.54 | nyeri_p00lenta | i'm talkin about X not responding anymore, not even to alt ctrl backspace |
| 02:25.54 | WiFiTux | stupid lmbench |
| 02:26.08 | Mathness | try to get it near 100%, the duck should tople over then :) |
| 02:27.41 | WiFiTux | hhmm it tries to. but won't |
| 02:27.56 | benjamindees | nyeri_p00lenta, that's probably a hardware issue, try the vesa driver |
| 02:27.59 | dabreegster | How exactly do I rebuild the source package with dpkg-buildpackage? Passing it the .dsc file doesn't seem to work. |
| 02:28.14 | cafuego | dabreegster: dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 02:28.23 | dabreegster | ok |
| 02:28.37 | WiFiTux | Mathness, eeehhmm, probably cause I have 1GB of ram in this laptop. /me whistels |
| 02:28.38 | cafuego | dabreegster: Rebuild the SOURCE or rebuild FROM source? |
| 02:28.49 | nyeri_p00lenta | benjamindees: i doubt it. i had the problem with onboard video, and when i upgraded to an nvidia board i had the same problem |
| 02:29.00 | nyeri_p00lenta | perhaps it conflicts with the 2.6.8.1 kernel i installed ? |
| 02:29.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 814] by debhelper |
| 02:29.10 | dabreegster | cafuego: from. I got the sdl lib, but it didnt seem to have svgalib compiled in. Oddly enough it was enabled in the .dsc source package |
| 02:29.17 | vladster | I have a command line grub prompt |
| 02:29.24 | benjamindees | nyeri_p00lenta, eww, no idea then |
| 02:29.29 | dabreegster | cafuego: can't open debian changelog... unable to determind source package |
| 02:29.36 | cafuego | dabreegster: Edit debian/rules, then dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 02:29.37 | jim | vladster: tab key is your friend here |
| 02:29.42 | Mathness | WiFiTux, take a while to fill up then XD |
| 02:30.15 | vladster | is there a test command to probe the drives? |
| 02:30.17 | cafuego | debian: Run it IN the sdl-version directory, not just soemwgere at random. |
| 02:30.24 | cafuego | dabreegster too |
| 02:30.24 | dabreegster | cafuego: What arguments do I pass? I'm in the directory with the .dsc and .diff |
| 02:30.41 | dabreegster | oh |
| 02:30.41 | dabreegster | ok |
| 02:30.51 | Linuxs | It seems that I have installed two cdroms instead of one; /cdrom and /cdrom0. In cdrom/ I found a file called cdrom0. |
| 02:31.00 | vladster | like one that can point to a menulist that i have |
| 02:31.14 | poisoned1 | I just installed debian and Im stuck |
| 02:31.22 | cafuego | Linuxs: One is a symlink that pouints at teh other. |
| 02:31.23 | poisoned1 | it does not seem to see my onboard NIC |
| 02:31.24 | dabreegster | Great, it tells me unmet dependencies, it just lists em all. |
| 02:31.34 | Linuxs | ok |
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| 02:31.37 | benjamindees | nyeri_p00lenta, could still be an agp issue, though, I'd at least disable dri |
| 02:31.44 | cafuego | dabreegster: apt-get build-dep <sourcepackage> |
| 02:31.51 | dabreegster | oh, cool. |
| 02:32.06 | RootsLINUX | Can someone do me a favor and say Roots please? :) |
| 02:32.15 | cafuego | RootsLINUX: why? |
| 02:32.25 | RootsLINUX | I just wanted to make sure my beep was working. It is :) |
| 02:32.45 | RootsLINUX | >_> |
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| 02:33.51 | jim | Roots please |
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| 02:34.02 | Guerin | roots natty roots |
| 02:34.04 | RootsLINUX | please what? |
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| 02:34.08 | Guerin | dread kinky dread |
| 02:34.17 | jim | RootsLINUX Can someone do me a favor and say Roots please? :) |
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| 02:34.39 | RootsLINUX | Ok, you guys have beeped me enough now -_- |
| 02:34.40 | calin | If I back up my XF86Config-4 and dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xfree86 after i change my video card and reboot, will my computer recognise the fact that there is a new vid card there and adapt drivers after i build it into my kernel, or should i manually reconfigure and /then/ change my video card? |
| 02:34.57 | P8ntKid | Hey. Im pretty much a newb with linux. Can anybody give me some tips on what types of linux i shoudl be lookin for for a newby? Ive tried fedora but i didnt really liek it. Any sugestions? |
| 02:35.06 | dabreegster | calin: I would change first. |
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| 02:35.26 | calin | okay |
| 02:35.30 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, debian is fairly newbie-friendly, but you will get flamed to death here if you don't read the docs |
| 02:35.30 | calin | thanks |
| 02:35.57 | P8ntKid | ok, like i have heard there is a bunch of diferent kinds of debian? any particular i should be lookin for? |
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| 02:36.09 | Guerin | debian sarge |
| 02:36.11 | Mathness | P8ntKid, Mandrake, SuSE or a Livecd one to avoid installing anything |
| 02:36.29 | Guerin | there aren't a bunch of kinds of debian, there are a bunch of distros which claim to be debian, but aren't |
| 02:36.29 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | I like sarge |
| 02:36.38 | P8ntKid | no i need one to fully install, ive used suSe and fedora before. I didnt really like them |
| 02:37.03 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | I just switched from slack |
| 02:37.15 | Guerin | well, they're both pretty bad from a 'plain sanity' perspetive |
| 02:37.20 | grivell | !tell P8ntKid about d-i |
| 02:37.25 | Guerin | as is mandy |
| 02:37.40 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | sarge installer in very nice |
| 02:37.51 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:37.53 | jepel_tailweaver | debian installer is very nice |
| 02:37.56 | grivell | [fury]|[Red-EyE]: yes, much improved. |
| 02:37.57 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | =] |
| 02:37.58 | P8ntKid | ok where can i get this sarge, ive googled and its brought me to debians site |
| 02:38.05 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | <--deb noob |
| 02:38.14 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, look in the site map. It's good |
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| 02:38.26 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:38.34 | jim | doppix |
| 02:38.38 | P8ntKid | or should i just get regualr debian? |
| 02:38.38 | foureyes779 | Kkoppian |
| 02:38.39 | grivell | P8ntKid: Look what dpkg said ;) |
| 02:38.40 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | SysInfo: Linux 2.6.8 | Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz 3008.135 MHz | Mem: 139/514M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 184G Free: 115G | Bogomips: 11943.9 | Screen Res: 1280x1024 | Procs: 78 | | Up: | eth0: In: 4.90M Out: 5.39M |
| 02:38.41 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:38.48 | benjamindees | would everyone agree that Debian has the largest number of packages of any distro? |
| 02:38.57 | jepel_tailweaver | gentoo has quite a few |
| 02:38.58 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | seems that way |
| 02:38.59 | jim | P8ntKid: whichever yiou want |
| 02:39.04 | P8ntKid | lol sorry, i didnt notice he PM,ed me |
| 02:39.05 | dabreegster | D-I is nice, but it never has let me run cfdisk instead of that stupid dialog program. |
| 02:39.06 | jepel_tailweaver | but gentoo isn't as strict when it comes to Free Software |
| 02:39.14 | jim | benjamindees: probablyu |
| 02:39.15 | jepel_tailweaver | D-I is nice and simple |
| 02:39.16 | benjamindees | jepel_tailweaver, I wasn't sure about them |
| 02:39.20 | jepel_tailweaver | the partitioner could be a bit more complex |
| 02:39.21 | foureyes779 | i installed Knopp to the HD and then upgraded to unstable (UGH) |
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| 02:39.37 | P8ntKid | what do u guys prefer, debian or sarge? |
| 02:39.38 | jim | jepel_tailweaver: and not super hard to maintain (like boot-floppies) |
| 02:39.41 | foureyes779 | so now i dont know WTF it is |
| 02:39.47 | dvs | P8ntKid: sarge is debian |
| 02:39.47 | Guerin | !faq P8ntKid |
| 02:39.48 | dpkg | P8ntKid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:40.02 | Guerin | foureyes779: it's knoppix |
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| 02:40.30 | foureyes779 | Guerin: really ? |
| 02:40.34 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:40.52 | P8ntKid | i have knoppix, shoudl i just install that? |
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| 02:41.02 | Guerin | P8ntKid: no |
| 02:41.06 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | bbl |
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| 02:41.11 | Guerin | !tell P8ntKid about d-i |
| 02:41.12 | jim | P8ntKid: what is your purpose? |
| 02:41.14 | cafuego | P8ntKid: Guess what we all run? |
| 02:41.17 | dabreegster | P8ntKid: what will you be using it FOR? |
| 02:41.23 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | nice meeting ya'll |
| 02:41.24 | P8ntKid | just a home computer |
| 02:41.24 | dvs | cafuego: fedora? |
| 02:41.25 | foureyes779 | dunno, i pointed apt-get at the deb mirrors and then did an "apt-get update, apt-get upgrade" |
| 02:41.25 | Guerin | irrelevant |
| 02:41.38 | dabreegster | I'd go with plain old sarge |
| 02:41.38 | Guerin | a livecd is not a fit OS to be installed tpermanently |
| 02:41.44 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, You should start from Debian Installer, not knoppix. Knoppix is kinda messy to upgrade |
| 02:41.49 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, sarge is good |
| 02:41.58 | foureyes779 | P8ntKid: you should go with a clean install of Debian |
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| 02:42.12 | jim | if sarge is good, is kernel even better? |
| 02:42.13 | llordfolk3n | good evening |
| 02:42.24 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 02:42.30 | benjamindees | general protection fault rules all |
| 02:42.35 | Guerin | the stupidity in here is so thick you could cut it with a saw |
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| 02:42.50 | jepel_tailweaver | Guerin, You should see #gentoo |
| 02:42.51 | cafuego | Welcome to Sunday 3 - Son of son of SUnday |
| 02:42.53 | shakparl | so thick you couldn't cut it with a saw |
| 02:42.55 | jepel_tailweaver | Guerin, and #slackware |
| 02:43.00 | shakparl | #funroll-loops |
| 02:43.03 | Linuxs | How do I delete a directory made as root? |
| 02:43.17 | cafuego | Linuxs: as root |
| 02:43.19 | Guerin | shakparl: you're probably too young to have picked up on the bob dylan quote |
| 02:43.26 | P8ntKid | ok i think im gona go with debian can i use bit torrent and get all 7 CD's at once with BT? |
| 02:43.27 | jim | Linuxs: rmdir <thatdir> as root |
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| 02:43.29 | shakparl | Guerin: a bit probably (31) |
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| 02:43.45 | dvs | P8ntKid: If you have a fast internet connection, you only need 1 CD |
| 02:43.45 | dabreegster | Linuxs: rm -rf /that_directory |
| 02:43.47 | Linuxs | jim, ok, I just typed rm |
| 02:43.48 | jim | P8ntKid: what is your internet connection? |
| 02:43.55 | Guerin | shakparl: hah, older than me |
| 02:43.57 | P8ntKid | 3MB |
| 02:44.00 | gerardocb | Hi again |
| 02:44.02 | dabreegster | Linuxs: -rf will junk everything in the directory too, just to warn ya |
| 02:44.04 | gerardocb | leonel, it's me again |
| 02:44.04 | dvs | P8ntKid: fast enough |
| 02:44.08 | cafuego | Linuxs: if you own the directory <thatdir> is in, 'rmdir -f' would work too. |
| 02:44.11 | P8ntKid | ok then what should ig et? |
| 02:44.12 | jim | Linuxs: be careful with rm; I said rmdir |
| 02:44.13 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 02:44.19 | dvs | P8ntKid: sarge net install |
| 02:44.22 | Linuxs | ok |
| 02:44.25 | foureyes779 | chicken-of-the-VNC |
| 02:44.27 | dvs | !tell P8ntKid about d-i |
| 02:44.30 | P8ntKid | like an FTP install? |
| 02:44.30 | cafuego | P8ntKid: the i386 rc2 netinst iso |
| 02:44.34 | dabreegster | P8ntKid: I'm stuck with dialup, but you could find a local place/friend with a good connection and go there for a couple of hours one day assuming you have a network card |
| 02:44.35 | jim | kinda |
| 02:44.39 | gerardocb | postfix/smtpd PAM _pam_init_handlers: could not open /etc/pam.conf |
| 02:44.49 | gerardocb | Does anybody knows what's wrong with this? |
| 02:44.51 | jim | yuou need 2-4 floppies to start |
| 02:45.07 | jim | P8ntKid: what is your internet connection? |
| 02:45.15 | dbindner | P8ntKid: I find it tedious to feed all of the CDs. I take my box somewhere with a good net connection and just do a net install. |
| 02:45.15 | cafuego | gerardocb: Yes. hint: check the chroot setting for the service in /etc/postfix/master.cf |
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| 02:45.16 | gerardocb | File /etc/pam.conf actually exists! |
| 02:45.16 | dabreegster | gerardocb: looks like you dont have a /etc/pam.conf. |
| 02:45.17 | P8ntKid | can someone directly link me to the ISO i need to download for FTP install? |
| 02:45.25 | dvs | jim: He said 3MB |
| 02:45.36 | dvs | P8ntKid: Look at what dpkg said |
| 02:45.37 | gerardocb | dabregster, it looks like, but the file exists |
| 02:45.43 | jim | P8ntKid: you don't -even- need any iso :) |
| 02:45.57 | dabreegster | gerardocb: check the permissions. |
| 02:46.01 | jim | what net card you got? |
| 02:46.03 | dabreegster | can everybody read the file? |
| 02:46.07 | gerardocb | rw-r--r-- |
| 02:46.13 | dvs | gerardocb: yes |
| 02:46.14 | jim | P8ntKid: what EXACTLY is your net connection? |
| 02:46.15 | leonel | gerardocb: owned by postfix |
| 02:46.17 | cafuego | gerardocb: No, iopen the file. |
| 02:46.21 | Mr-Debpack | back |
| 02:46.27 | cafuego | DAMMIT!!!! |
| 02:46.32 | dabreegster | No clue. |
| 02:46.34 | cafuego | gerardocb: Open /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 02:46.35 | i-o | can anyone please answer why I get a blue screen installing debian that doesn't do anything |
| 02:46.36 | P8ntKid | at max 3MB |
| 02:46.43 | P8ntKid | usually around 2.3MB or somthin |
| 02:46.44 | cafuego | gerardocb: Scroll to the 'smtpd' service definition. |
| 02:46.47 | pipeline | P8ntKid: You want the ISO linked to by that page. |
| 02:46.53 | jim | P8ntKid: cable? t1? dsl? |
| 02:46.55 | cafuego | gerardocb: See the chroot settings in the column there? |
| 02:47.00 | jim | do you have to use pppoe? |
| 02:47.01 | P8ntKid | T1 |
| 02:47.07 | jim | static IP? |
| 02:47.14 | cafuego | gerardocb: That means IT's root is /var/lib/postfix |
| 02:47.31 | Mr-Debpack | in using "turn on computer ,now Im on internett" |
| 02:47.32 | Linuxs | How do I change from root to another user? |
| 02:47.39 | dabreegster | i-o: you using d-i? At what point does it bluescreen? |
| 02:47.40 | dvs | Linuxs: su |
| 02:47.40 | P8ntKid | i need RC2 right? |
| 02:47.43 | gerardocb | Ok, let me see |
| 02:47.44 | dvs | P8ntKid: yes |
| 02:47.49 | Mr-Debpack | im ,not in |
| 02:47.55 | cafuego | P8ntKid: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:47.59 | jim | P8ntKid: do you have a static IP? |
| 02:48.03 | Linuxs | dvs: to get out of su |
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| 02:48.15 | dvs | Linuxs: exit |
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| 02:48.18 | P8ntKid | jim: NO |
| 02:48.22 | P8ntKid | sorry for caps |
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| 02:48.22 | calin | feck, i need to join ##java but i have to identify, i registered my nick but /msg nickserv identify <mypassword> is only sending a total of 4 characters and it won't accept the password |
| 02:48.26 | leonel | gerardocb: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd |
| 02:48.31 | jim | so how do you get your IP? |
| 02:48.46 | cafuego | gerardocb: You have two options: Disabling the chroot for all services that require access to the auth stuff, or setting up all of that pam crap in the chroot. |
| 02:48.50 | P8ntKid | Ok do i need an FTP server for this sarge net installer? |
| 02:48.54 | cafuego | gerardocb: The former is by far easier. |
| 02:49.01 | P8ntKid | like i did when i used SuSe? |
| 02:49.02 | dvs | P8ntKid: No, |
| 02:49.04 | Linuxs | dvs: still root.. |
| 02:49.04 | P8ntKid | ok good |
| 02:49.15 | gerardocb | What i need is to allow my users to auth against my local /etc/passwd |
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| 02:49.22 | jim | P8ntKid: you need between two and four blank floppies |
| 02:49.29 | cafuego | P8ntKid: The installer will give you a list to choose from IF it needs a server. |
| 02:49.36 | dabreegster | P8ntKid: you just need a decent connection and a network card |
| 02:49.38 | Tman | how do I install just a .deb file? |
| 02:49.45 | dvs | Tman: dpkg -i |
| 02:49.45 | Mr-Debpack | I talked with Linus Torvalds today :) |
| 02:49.46 | cafuego | TheStar: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:49.48 | jim | Tman: dpkg --help |
| 02:49.49 | Tman | thx |
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| 02:50.11 | P8ntKid | ok, is there a tutorial for the net install? |
| 02:50.12 | gerardocb | cafuego... How I do that? (Disabling the chroot for all services that require access to the auth stuff) |
| 02:50.15 | cafuego | gerardocb: Disabling the chroot it is, then. |
| 02:50.15 | dabreegster | Mr-Debpack: wow. |
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| 02:50.20 | leonel | gerardocb: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd |
| 02:50.21 | Mr-Debpack | dabreegster: ;P |
| 02:50.25 | dvs | P8ntKid: You don't need it. Follow the instructions. |
| 02:50.27 | leonel | gerardocb: en master.cf |
| 02:50.29 | gerardocb | leonel, ??? |
| 02:50.43 | dabreegster | P8ntKid: yes. somewhere on debian.org. learn to search, |
| 02:50.44 | catim | why foo is used for an exemple? what the meaning of foo? |
| 02:50.46 | P8ntKid | ok, good i liek this better, when i tried the ftp install for SuSe i got pissed off |
| 02:50.48 | gerardocb | Ooohhh |
| 02:50.51 | gerardocb | I got it, leonel |
| 02:50.56 | leonel | gerardocb: tell postifx that smtpd witll not be chroot |
| 02:50.58 | gerardocb | Thank you guys |
| 02:50.59 | cafuego | gerardocb: Change the '-' in the chroot column to a 'n' for all service that require auth. |
| 02:51.05 | gerardocb | Ok, ok... |
| 02:51.08 | gerardocb | Got it |
| 02:51.15 | leonel | gerardocb: and that's done on master.cf the smtpd line |
| 02:51.18 | cafuego | gerardocb: The '-' means defautl, which is 'y' for the chroot column. |
| 02:51.22 | P8ntKid | but T1 is a good enough connection for the Net install right? |
| 02:51.33 | Mr-Debpack | P8ntKid: yes |
| 02:51.36 | dvs | P8ntKid: definitately |
| 02:51.38 | gerardocb | Ok... thank you again... |
| 02:51.41 | dvs | oops |
| 02:51.46 | yxa | is it true that is i can find a root passwd that hashes to the same as the original passwd, i still can login? |
| 02:51.56 | cafuego | P8ntKid: yes, so is 56K. (just takes a bit longer) |
| 02:51.57 | gerardocb | i got to go... my wife is waiting for me... i don't want to sleep in the bathroom... |
| 02:51.57 | dbindner | yxa: of course. |
| 02:51.59 | gerardocb | Bye! |
| 02:52.07 | Linuxs | hey.. the cdrom was located in /media/cdrom |
| 02:52.16 | P8ntKid | ok another question, does it come with a boot loader so i can dual boot with windows? |
| 02:52.26 | dvs | P8ntKid: it comes with two |
| 02:52.31 | cafuego | yxa: yes. Same with crypt() password. '123456789' would have worked even of the password was '12345678' |
| 02:52.36 | dabreegster | catim: 'foo' is just a traditional word that implies a variable, something you change. See the Jargon File. |
| 02:52.51 | P8ntKid | ok another one, :) how much space do i need total to run this? |
| 02:53.05 | dvs | P8ntKid: It depends what you install |
| 02:53.10 | catim | dabreegster, thanks! |
| 02:53.11 | cafuego | P8ntKid: In between 100 mb (minimal, not useful) and 4 or so GB. |
| 02:53.16 | yxa | cafuego so that's basically how bruteforce attacks work? |
| 02:53.17 | benjamindees | P8ntKid, a gig will get you a decent system |
| 02:53.32 | P8ntKid | ok, well i have 15 gigs free, is that enough? i have windows running on a 60 gig partition |
| 02:53.36 | dbindner | yxa: Yep. Try a dictionary first then letter combinations, etc. |
| 02:53.43 | pipeline | P8ntKid: Yeah, that's *more* than enough. |
| 02:53.44 | dvs | P8ntKid: Plenty |
| 02:53.59 | cafuego | yxa: yeah, just systematically try passwords until you find the right one. |
| 02:54.06 | pipeline | P8ntKid: You need 4-5G to really have fun. 15 is tons. |
| 02:54.14 | vladster | is there a command to make a grub boot floppy? |
| 02:54.17 | P8ntKid | ok good, thanks for all the help guys, im gona start buring this and i hopefuilly wont run into any problems, Thanks |
| 02:54.20 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 02:54.30 | yxa | dbindner but it isnt easy to get access to shadow nowadays? |
| 02:54.31 | cafuego | vladster: grub-install fd0 ? |
| 02:54.42 | vladster | I will try |
| 02:54.47 | cafuego | yxa: shadow can be read only by root |
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| 02:55.01 | Mr-Debpack | lets pray to god that my keyboard works in X !(it dint work in gdm) |
| 02:55.02 | Linuxs | Is there a way switching -r-xr-xr-x to -rwxr--r-- for the whole directory? |
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| 02:55.11 | dbindner | yxa: If you are root you can read shadow. But you can also just change the password then. |
| 02:55.17 | P8ntKid | later |
| 02:55.18 | ^Ocean^ | is there an unofficial beta package place for gnome2.10 ? |
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| 02:55.29 | P8ntKid | is there anything else i really need to know to do the net install? |
| 02:55.43 | cafuego | P8ntKid: Not really, it's dead easy. |
| 02:55.49 | pipeline | ^Ocean^: garnome |
| 02:55.51 | P8ntKid | Ok thanks for the help, later |
| 02:56.02 | ^Ocean^ | garnome ? Link ? |
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| 02:56.27 | abrotman | pipeline: that's not a package |
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| 02:58.03 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:58.03 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
| 02:58.14 | dabreegster | Linuxs: chmod options *? |
| 02:58.19 | Mr-Debpack | nooooooo ! .. The Keyboard doesnt work in X and not gdm :( |
| 02:58.25 | pipeline | abrotman: It's the easiest way towards a package. |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: does it work at the shell? |
| 02:58.34 | pipeline | abrotman: It's easier than attempting to build it yourself :) |
| 02:58.37 | Mr-Debpack | abrotman: yes |
| 02:58.40 | abrotman | pipeline: agreed .. but not packages |
| 02:58.43 | Mr-Debpack | abrotman: in init 3 |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: check your X logs |
| 02:58.51 | narg | How would one find ones local ip (like behind a router) |
| 02:59.05 | Mr-Debpack | abrotman: where can I find my X log ? |
| 02:59.07 | pipeline | abrotman: My objective is to persuade him to give up. And garnome may be making packages available these days, for all I know. |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | narg: ifconfig -a |
| 02:59.12 | jim | narg: ifconfig |
| 02:59.18 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: /var/log ? |
| 02:59.19 | narg | thanks |
| 02:59.42 | DocKane | what do you think of reducing debian to 4 architectures ? |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | pipeline: just tell him it's easier to get a branding iron up his mom's butt than to find gnome2.10 packages |
| 02:59.48 | Mr-Debpack | abrotman: ok ,what is that log called ? |
| 02:59.52 | Mr-Debpack | ah |
| 02:59.53 | Mr-Debpack | there |
| 03:00.04 | benjamindees | Sparc people seem upset |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | DocKane: did you read the email? |
| 03:00.36 | benjamindees | narg, go to www.whatismyipaddress.com |
| 03:00.37 | Mr-Debpack | XKB layout" no" ..everything with XKB is "no" |
| 03:00.38 | pipeline | abrotman: Well, he has a slim chance of success with garnome. |
| 03:00.41 | DocKane | abrotman : nope i read it at thregister |
| 03:00.58 | Mr-Debpack | and Custonkeycode disabled |
| 03:01.01 | pipeline | ^Ocean^: Would have been clearer to say garnome + equivs |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | DocKane: go read the email |
| 03:01.25 | Mr-Debpack | the fonts path does not exist |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | pipeline: that was my point |
| 03:01.55 | Mr-Debpack | but I have installed: xfonts-base ,xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi |
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| 03:02.22 | narg | for local ip, from ifconfig, would this be my ip: inet addr:192.168.0.6 |
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| 03:02.33 | abrotman | for eth0 .. probably |
| 03:02.46 | jim | narg: another way to get it... |
| 03:03.10 | narg | jim: is what? |
| 03:03.30 | jim | there are commands in the ipmasq package |
| 03:03.31 | dbindner | yxa: Of course, if you can reboot the machine you can get /etc/shadow. |
| 03:03.40 | ar3dam | hi there..... Some suggestion to use the parallel port in linux? |
| 03:03.46 | Mr-Debpack | humm .. what is my Keyboard variant ? |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | ar3dam: LEDs!! |
| 03:03.57 | jim | ar3dam: enable support for it |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | oh .. i thought he wanted a fun project |
| 03:04.11 | Mr-Debpack | what should I write in Keyboard-variant ? |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: you tell us |
| 03:04.32 | Mr-Debpack | ok ,I leave the area empty then |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | no |
| 03:04.59 | Mr-Debpack | what should it be writen there ? |
| 03:05.12 | abrotman | mine is pc104 ... but it depends on your keyboard |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | toresbe: does norway use pc104 keyboards? |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | and shoulnd't you be sleeping? |
| 03:05.50 | Mathness | prb pc102 or pc105 (windows keys) |
| 03:06.24 | Mr-Debpack | so the keyboard variant is pc105 ? |
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| 03:06.39 | duncanm | is there a place where i can get BT 4.0 as a dpkg? |
| 03:06.43 | jim | ipofif |
| 03:06.48 | abrotman | BT? |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | british telecom? |
| 03:06.55 | duncanm | bittorrent |
| 03:06.56 | DocKane | so it only hits sparc or what ? |
| 03:07.00 | Mathness | maybe. If the left shift is short |
| 03:07.08 | abrotman | duncanm: try .. apt-get.org maybe? |
| 03:07.20 | Mr-Debpack | wtf is my Keyboard-Variant ?:S (norwegian) |
| 03:07.26 | abrotman | !info bittorrent |
| 03:07.28 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | !info bittorrent experimental |
| 03:07.52 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: you tell us |
| 03:07.59 | Mathness | doesnt hurt to set variant wrong AFAIK |
| 03:07.59 | rixth_afk | Does anyone know why Xmms can't read the tags that I put on with Juk's Internet Renamer? If, In Xmms I go File Info, it shows the correct tags, but in the playlist view (this is EXACTLY) as it is, it puts aeo -vTghr sJehd (all my Placebo ones start with aeo wher as Jack Johnson ones start with atuer) |
| 03:08.03 | benjamindees | question about the proposed arch dropping: is it likely the other archs would release the same distro/packages as the "major" archs, only at a later time? |
| 03:08.10 | duncanm | hrm, no such luc |
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| 03:08.12 | duncanm | luck |
| 03:08.15 | Mr-Debpack | abrotman: tall u what ? - Is it safe to leave it empty ? |
| 03:08.24 | MEMEyou | aloha, just installed ppc and my resolution won't change |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | benjamindees: it's only a proposal .. no way to know |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:08.29 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:08.29 | Guerin | benjamindees: this is probably detailed on debian-release |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | Mr-Debpack: no . it's not . i already told you |
| 03:08.41 | Mr-Debpack | ah ! |
| 03:08.51 | benjamindees | Guerin, the wiki you mean? |
| 03:08.59 | Mr-Debpack | ok ,I set pc104 - Then We`ll see |
| 03:09.05 | Guerin | though it flies against what I've heard, which is that the many arches actually don't impact release times that much |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | it won't be there yet .. it's only a proposal |
| 03:09.09 | Guerin | no, the mailing list |
| 03:09.11 | benjamindees | Guerin, oh, nm, the mailing list |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | i'd check debian-devel mailing list maybe ? |
| 03:09.26 | Mr-Debpack | humm - What is Keyboard Options ? |
| 03:09.41 | Guerin | Mr-Debpack: options for your keyboard, I'd bet |
| 03:10.07 | Mr-Debpack | Guerin: and what is my options ? |
| 03:10.14 | Guerin | Mr-Debpack: you tell me |
| 03:10.18 | Guerin | they're your options |
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| 03:10.20 | abrotman | oh my god |
| 03:10.31 | Mr-Debpack | Guerin: I dont know what to tell u |
| 03:10.32 | jim | what now |
| 03:10.32 | DocKane | whats up |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:10.45 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:11.07 | abrotman | jim: what what now? |
| 03:11.08 | vladster | still have not got it to work |
| 03:11.19 | jim | abrotman oh my god |
| 03:11.28 | Shorty_ | anyone know theres a way to check on disk statistics much like FreeBSD's systat -vmstat? |
| 03:11.30 | abrotman | jim: i can't force feed him .. |
| 03:11.35 | Mauk | Olá |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | Shorty_: iostat |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:11.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:11.44 | jim | that is exactly true |
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| 03:12.56 | SigmaX | hey; Does anybody know if there's a reason not to include tmsnc in the Debian package pool? It's under the IR Public License or something (BSD-derived), is that koshier for Debian? |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | SigmaX: check wnpp stuff .. and if it's not there .. ask debian-legal if the license is iffy |
| 03:13.31 | SigmaX | irc channel? |
| 03:13.35 | abrotman | mailing list |
| 03:13.39 | SigmaX | gotchaz |
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| 03:13.56 | SigmaX | thanx. tootles |
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| 03:14.09 | N00b2Debian | ok I need help |
| 03:14.13 | zengolfer | hi |
| 03:14.15 | N00b2Debian | lol |
| 03:14.23 | zengolfer | I need help too :) |
| 03:14.36 | Mathness | would be a good place to ask here then :D |
| 03:14.38 | helix | maybe you two can help each other |
| 03:14.43 | N00b2Debian | so I am trying to install sarge netinst version |
| 03:14.45 | Mr-Debpack | humm - The my keyboard still doesnt work in x |
| 03:14.53 | benjamindees | lol @helix |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | helix: i got $1 |
| 03:15.02 | zengolfer | I'm trying to use debian-installer on my alpha |
| 03:15.13 | N00b2Debian | it was going along great until I got this error |
| 03:15.18 | Guerin | zengolfer: #debian-boot |
| 03:15.20 | zengolfer | when the install is complete, I get a /dev/console errir from init |
| 03:15.25 | zengolfer | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:15.25 | jim | what a coincidence, they both want the same thing :) |
| 03:15.25 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:15.40 | asg | abrotman: money or a variable? |
| 03:15.59 | jim | his money is unfortunately quite variable... |
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| 03:16.06 | N00b2Debian | Base system installation error : deboostrap program exited with an error return value=1 |
| 03:16.12 | asg | jim: touché |
| 03:16.13 | foureyes779 | what would cause the netinst to hang during HW detection /? |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | asg: money .. to bet |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | american money these days is very variable in a downwards direction |
| 03:16.37 | Guerin | foureyes779: badgers |
| 03:16.38 | abrotman | money ... |
| 03:16.42 | sussudio | Guerin: ohsoree |
| 03:16.50 | foureyes779 | Guerin: heh |
| 03:17.05 | Guerin | sussudio: I have a student called Oh So Ri |
| 03:17.10 | N00b2Debian | anyone? |
| 03:17.15 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 03:17.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:17.22 | jcole | hey dudes |
| 03:17.23 | sussudio | Guerin: you have a student called badger? |
| 03:17.26 | abrotman | no dudes |
| 03:17.27 | vladster | help |
| 03:17.29 | abrotman | only guerin |
| 03:17.35 | asg | sussudio: badger mi so |
| 03:17.37 | DocKane | !help |
| 03:17.45 | asg | DocKane: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:17.49 | Guerin | sussudio: what language is ohsoree == badger |
| 03:17.49 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:17.52 | sussudio | Guerin: .kr |
| 03:17.55 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:17.56 | jcole | i've created my own initrd with some usb and scsi modules... what do i pass to the grub kernel command line to load them? |
| 03:17.59 | Guerin | that's funneh |
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| 03:18.05 | abrotman | sussudio: like sohsoree? |
| 03:18.07 | foureyes779 | huh huh huh huh |
| 03:18.13 | sussudio | abdala: ohsoree |
| 03:18.17 | vladster | trying to fix grub after ghosting a windows drive |
| 03:18.19 | abrotman | sussudio: like sohsoree? |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | sussudio: you're not getting the joke ... :) |
| 03:18.29 | sussudio | abrotman: nein |
| 03:18.38 | vladster | and all I have is a knoppix disk to boot with now |
| 03:18.39 | jim | hey, that dude sounded like butthead heheh hehehehhehehehe heheheh |
| 03:18.39 | transgress | if i just want to install console stuff, no X or X applications which ISO's should i get? debian sarge that is... |
| 03:18.50 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 03:18.53 | abrotman | !d-i transgress |
| 03:18.54 | dpkg | transgress, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:19.02 | vladster | I don't feel like reinstalling to fix grub |
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| 03:19.17 | asg | jcole: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst (has examples of initrd usage in grub configs) |
| 03:19.20 | transgress | dpkg: i would, but it won't work with the network card i have in the old box i plan on putting it on. |
| 03:19.26 | sussudio | http://www.turtletrack.org/Issues02/Co06292002/Art/wolverine.jpg |
| 03:19.27 | transgress | i really wish i could use it |
| 03:19.32 | sussudio | wolverines are related to badgers. |
| 03:19.41 | jim | vladster: is your linux booted at the moment? |
| 03:19.51 | benjamindees | jcole, if you built your ramdisk properly it will have the necessary scripts to load the modules it contains |
| 03:19.55 | vladster | knoppix is |
| 03:19.57 | jim | grub shell can boot pretty much anything |
| 03:20.07 | asg | sussudio: badgers are fat over-the-hill super heroes? |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | transgress: sure it will ... |
| 03:20.13 | vladster | I would have to chroot into it |
| 03:20.37 | transgress | abrotman i've tried... it recognizes the card, but says i need drivers that i may need to load from a floppy... that is the netinstaller page isn't it? |
| 03:20.38 | jim | if you have grub in your knoppix, you could install it from there |
| 03:20.49 | benjamindees | vladster, did you say the partition was accessible or not? |
| 03:20.58 | N00b2Debian | could someone help me out here or am I asking too much lol |
| 03:21.03 | jim | then when you boot you can manually boot whichever kernel you want |
| 03:21.03 | vladster | it is in knoppix |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | transgress: the 110MB image? |
| 03:21.12 | sussudio | hmm http://www.public.asu.edu/~atjlb/weasel.JPG < iceweasel. |
| 03:21.13 | jcole | benjamindees: after chrooting, i used the "MODULES=dep"... |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | transgress: what kind of nic? |
| 03:21.23 | vladster | running off of a cd right now |
| 03:21.51 | benjamindees | jcole, I'm not familiar with that, there are howtos on building initial ramdisks... |
| 03:21.55 | asg | sussudio: too cute, we need one yelling and being mean |
| 03:22.15 | transgress | abrotman: i can't remember off the top of my head... i think it was a D-Link card i tossed in there |
| 03:22.21 | transgress | let me see if i have the box in my closet still |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | sussudio: how'd you like to have one of those attached to your neck? |
| 03:22.31 | abrotman | transgress: you're not helping :) |
| 03:22.41 | foureyes779 | lspci |
| 03:22.51 | jcole | benjamindees: can i "force load" a module by modifying the kernel line in grub? |
| 03:23.07 | benjamindees | jcole, not that I'm aware of |
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| 03:23.18 | sussudio | asg: http://tolweb.org/tree/ToLimages/marten.jpg < this doesn't exactly say "prepare to die" either |
| 03:23.27 | transgress | abrotman: i'm working on it... i suppose i could toss in the netinstaller and see what it says... |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | transgress: which image are you using ? |
| 03:23.47 | Mr-Debpack | what fonts packages is needed by X ? |
| 03:23.58 | asg | sussudio: no, is Disney polluting the net? |
| 03:24.09 | Mr-Debpack | I have installed xfonts-base ,xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi |
| 03:24.16 | transgress | abrotman netinst CD image w/ debian base |
| 03:24.22 | vladster | I have the grub shell |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | transgress: good idea |
| 03:24.24 | asg | Mr-Debpack: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | asg: hide |
| 03:24.50 | sussudio | asg: http://www.uoguelph.ca/geography/research/geog4480_w2003/group14/mink-huntingdoncollege.jpeg < this might look cute and fuzzy, but will rip out your tonsils |
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| 03:25.25 | sussudio | err |
| 03:25.42 | asg | sussudio: yeah, that one looks a little off |
| 03:25.52 | benjamindees | vladster, so have you tried reinstalling grub? grub-install I think |
| 03:26.06 | vladster | ok |
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| 03:26.19 | asg | zignig: danke |
| 03:26.28 | zignig | asg: np |
| 03:26.42 | benjamindees | vladster, keep your Knoppix cd handy because I don't use grub on Debian ;) |
| 03:26.44 | transgress | i'll be back in a second ... ima go see what network card it says i have because i can't find the box |
| 03:26.45 | spoopin | asg: g'day |
| 03:26.46 | sussudio | asg: it's funny when animal liberation nutters come to mink farms, release them into the wild and get mauled |
| 03:26.53 | asg | spoopin: hey |
| 03:27.10 | spoopin | asg: anything fun going on? |
| 03:27.20 | asg | sussudio: yes, a gratifying side effect |
| 03:27.28 | i-o | does anyone know why I get a blue screen installing debian right after about hdwre configuration |
| 03:27.32 | asg | spoopin: not really, worked through most of Powerslave tonight |
| 03:27.50 | benjamindees | speaking of network cards, is anyone successfully using the b44 module on Debian? |
| 03:27.54 | spoopin | asg: nice. the whole album, then ;) |
| 03:27.55 | vladster | this is an everybody use dual boot system, it needs to boot without a cd |
| 03:27.58 | asg | spoopin: Jeff submitted applications back to HR, interviews should commence soon |
| 03:28.04 | asg | spoopin: no, just the song |
| 03:28.22 | N00b2Debian | lol yea.. I need some help installing sarge I am getting base system installation error debootstrap program exited with an error return value 1 |
| 03:28.25 | spoopin | asg: cool. They make the contacts? |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | asg: are you getting me a job ? :) |
| 03:28.59 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 03:29.22 | libpcp | hi guys |
| 03:29.28 | libpcp | im setting up my name server running on bind, how do i shorten the propagation once i have changes in a zone files? is it by TTL ? |
| 03:29.37 | asg | spoopin: he has to interview a few people for posterity |
| 03:29.38 | vladster | How about I hit the system with a sledgehammer |
| 03:29.45 | spoopin | asg: indeed |
| 03:29.55 | abrotman | no humor ... |
| 03:29.56 | vladster | ther is no hair left on my head |
| 03:30.09 | rixth | Apapache is ignoring my VirtualHosts... I just get connection refused. |
| 03:30.09 | abrotman | you know! |
| 03:30.19 | asg | spoopin: he wanted me to get him a job so he could be closer to Amber at Jacks (saw her on the video) |
| 03:30.19 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to track down an IP that is connected to my box via its MAC addy? |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | asg: don't forget .. it's warm there |
| 03:30.36 | spoopin | asg: Is she still there?? |
| 03:30.40 | asg | abrotman: not today it isn't |
| 03:30.50 | asg | spoopin: nah, she left at about the same time I stopped going. |
| 03:30.52 | abrotman | i'll give spoopin my job .. i'll move down there |
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| 03:31.16 | spoopin | asg: Quite. Still, she was a severe hottie :) |
| 03:31.30 | transgress | okay now ... to go to the other box |
| 03:31.51 | abrotman | spoopin: you'll love philly! |
| 03:31.58 | spoopin | abrotman: I'd likely take it :) |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | spoopin: you don't even know what i do :) |
| 03:32.12 | asg | spoopin: oh, one of the guys at work has managed to move CLUG to the college. Should start in April. |
| 03:32.39 | asg | abrotman: you still fighting with Oracle? |
| 03:32.41 | vladster | is there a way to make a derbian rescure disk with all the correct permissions |
| 03:32.51 | asg | vladster: ? |
| 03:32.54 | spoopin | abrotman: ummmmm... it can't be too bad if you can spend this much time on IRC.. |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | asg: no .. MSSQL for a project i'm not really involved with .. i just do reports .. and PHP .. and more debian installs .. oh .. and a new fileserver maybe |
| 03:33.17 | spoopin | asg: Cool. Is is the same group as before? |
| 03:33.18 | vladster | knoppix doies not have the abillity to modify the mbr |
| 03:33.26 | `Azra`el | vladster: tar is your FRIEND |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | spoopin: are you saying i'm lazy? :) |
| 03:33.36 | asg | spoopin: yeah, the South Boulevard crowd |
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| 03:33.44 | asg | abrotman: eeep |
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| 03:33.52 | abrotman | asg: but that oracle thing went away .. got replaced .. but might come back to IBM domino stuff |
| 03:33.55 | abrotman | asg: eep why? |
| 03:33.57 | karsten | abrotman: Remember, laziness is one of the Cardinal Virtues. Per Larry Wall. |
| 03:34.02 | spoopin | abrotman: nope. Just that you know how to properly pace yourself |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | karsten: it means i'm a good admin :) |
| 03:34.13 | rixth | Apapache is ignoring my VirtualHosts... I just get connection refused. I've setup my httpd.cfon correctly (I think)_ |
| 03:34.16 | asg | abrotman: we have a number of MSSQL boxes. They are annoying. |
| 03:34.34 | karsten | abrotman: Laziness, impatience, and hubris. |
| 03:34.44 | spoopin | asg: Who got them to move? |
| 03:34.45 | asg | karsten: and beer |
| 03:34.54 | abrotman | asg: well .. company took a few similar projects to migrate data from a MSSQL based product to a binary flat file product .. i just get the data out of MSSQL . not too bad .. well designed DB |
| 03:35.05 | N00b2Debian | karsten |
| 03:35.11 | asg | spoopin: one of the new part-timers. Good guy, does good clean web stuff. |
| 03:35.12 | karsten | N00b2Debian |
| 03:35.20 | vladster | I need to make a boot disk to get into that system and chroot wont do it either |
| 03:35.24 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | asg: the person doing the imports just tells me which columns she wants out .. i write the query .. it's really not that bad |
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| 03:35.31 | N00b2Debian | can you help me with an error i am getting when trying to install sarge? |
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| 03:35.40 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's not bad at all. |
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| 03:35.48 | karsten | vladster: knoppix / tom's root boot are your easiest bets. See also LNX-BBC or Damn Small Linux |
| 03:35.56 | abrotman | asg: but the fileserver is sorely needed .. |
| 03:35.59 | srid | I am looking syntax higlighted 'less' (like 'more'). coz, vi is too slow in startup |
| 03:36.00 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Shoot. I'm only half here. |
| 03:36.03 | spoopin | asg: Quite. I've not been in some time so I doubt I'd recognize anyone there anyway |
| 03:36.13 | spoopin | asg: Except perhaps that one guy.. |
| 03:36.18 | asg | spoopin: yeah, troll guy |
| 03:36.28 | spoopin | asg: I wasn't gonna say it |
| 03:36.29 | karsten | srid: Don't think it exists. How slow is vi, and what're your system specs? |
| 03:36.36 | asg | abrotman: as in 1) you don't have one or 2) you have one but it's crap? |
| 03:36.36 | N00b2Debian | I get an error " Base system installation error " deboostrap program exited with an error return value 1 |
| 03:36.44 | srid | karsten, low memory (128mb) |
| 03:36.48 | abrotman | asg: and i'm trying to figure out if i want to try to get samba to authenticate against an NT4 PDC .. or possibly replace it altogether .. or just make it a win32 fileserver for simpliciy sake |
| 03:36.51 | asg | spoopin: hehe |
| 03:36.53 | karsten | srid: Um. That should be *plenty* for vim. |
| 03:37.03 | karsten | srid: Kill big apps. |
| 03:37.16 | karsten | srid: ...and run a lightweight WM. fluxbox, wmaker, icewm. |
| 03:37.17 | srid | karsten, less is easy for skimming (up, down arrow works as expected) |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | asg: we need more space .. somehow .. we're consuming a large chunk of free space daily |
| 03:37.18 | asg | abrotman: check 'Using Samba' at oreilly.com/openbook |
| 03:37.25 | srid | karsten, I am running icewm |
| 03:37.26 | abrotman | asg: i think i have it |
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| 03:37.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What do you get before that? Can you paste? IIRC there's an install log created. |
| 03:37.36 | srid | karsten, in ubuntu |
| 03:37.38 | karsten | srid: Run it lighter then! |
| 03:37.39 | asg | abrotman: ah, okay. |
| 03:37.48 | abrotman | asg: or maybe that's the ldap book .. who knows |
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| 03:37.54 | srid | karsten, how to start vim in readonly mode hoping for some speed? |
| 03:37.56 | karsten | Where's the sarge installer's install log? |
| 03:37.59 | asg | abrotman: I have that one too |
| 03:38.00 | abrotman | asg: i have a big pile of books with animals |
| 03:38.01 | karsten | srid: '-R' |
| 03:38.03 | abrotman | karsten: /root iirc |
| 03:38.04 | spoopin | asg: I looked at that last night. The free online book is more current than the one on my shelf |
| 03:38.09 | karsten | abrotman: kthx |
| 03:38.12 | abrotman | karsten: or /var/log |
| 03:38.19 | asg | spoopin: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/reeality/strips/reeality198.jpg |
| 03:38.25 | asg | spoopin: yeah, you have the 1st ed. |
| 03:38.28 | srid | karsten, vi -R too 5 seconds to startup :( |
| 03:38.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: <alt><f2> on the install box. cd /root; ls -l. See any install lots? |
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| 03:39.01 | srid | karsten, but nano is faster, with no syntax highlighting though |
| 03:39.05 | karsten | srid: You've got issues with that box, dude. What's 'top' say? Try 'vmstat' and 'iostat' as well to check for swapping / IO. |
| 03:39.23 | karsten | srid: 'nvi' is a lighter vi, dunno if it does syntax. |
| 03:39.33 | spoopin | asg: I got a 403 error on that page :( |
| 03:39.34 | srid | karsten, everything's fine, I think vi is loading startup scripts that are taking much time |
| 03:39.37 | karsten | srid: I usually purge it first thing on a new box and install vim. |
| 03:39.49 | asg | spoopin: hmmm, comes up just fine here |
| 03:39.52 | N00b2Debian | karsten theres no way for me to copy and paste cuz i am trying to install it on a second drive on this crappy dell |
| 03:39.55 | karsten | srid: Do you have a heavily modified .vimrc? |
| 03:39.58 | srid | karsten, nvi - 4.4BSD re-implementation of vi |
| 03:40.01 | srid | karsten, no |
| 03:40.04 | N00b2Debian | but you want me to hit alf f2 to get more info? |
| 03:40.13 | N00b2Debian | er. alt |
| 03:40.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Wait. |
| 03:40.18 | N00b2Debian | ok |
| 03:40.19 | asg | spoopin: ah, it was cached in my browser |
| 03:40.24 | spoopin | asg: odd. I get a big, nasty forbidden |
| 03:40.33 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Are you IRCing on that box now? Are you doing a chroot install? |
| 03:40.38 | spoopin | asg: oh |
| 03:40.39 | asg | spoopin: yeah on a FreeBSD box running apache2 |
| 03:40.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I need some context. |
| 03:41.01 | asg | spoopin: try again tomorrow, it's funny |
| 03:41.09 | srid | karsten, I am installing nvi |
| 03:41.14 | spoopin | asg: k |
| 03:41.22 | N00b2Debian | I am IRCing on my winxp .. im doing an install by booting from the cdrom and installing to my D drive |
| 03:41.33 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Same box though, right? |
| 03:41.34 | DocKane | i´ve got a 712/80 hp pizzabox here with a HP ethertwist transreceiver, does somebody know how get this think work / which driver to use ? |
| 03:41.39 | N00b2Debian | yes mam |
| 03:41.43 | N00b2Debian | or sir |
| 03:41.48 | karsten | N00b2Debian: That's "sir", except on halloween. |
| 03:41.58 | N00b2Debian | sory |
| 03:42.04 | karsten | N00b2Debian: No probs. |
| 03:42.14 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'll take it out on you if we meet in person ;-) |
| 03:42.24 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You got broadband? |
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| 03:42.29 | abrotman | DocKane: a PA-RISC box? |
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| 03:42.36 | DocKane | abrotman: yes |
| 03:42.42 | N00b2Debian | ok .. i'll grill you phat steak if you help me get this figgerd out |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | DocKane: you might want to try the mailing list ? |
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| 03:43.00 | N00b2Debian | yes i am on cable |
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| 03:43.05 | N00b2Debian | 4 meg dl speed |
| 03:43.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Heh. I've had the best -- Cody WY and Lawrence KS. |
| 03:43.15 | DocKane | abrotman: thats an option. maybe there is help a bit more instantly |
| 03:43.20 | N00b2Debian | bah no better steak than omaha steaks |
| 03:43.21 | xogon | does anyone know how to force a card under hostap to bind to one specific AP when there are multiple available? |
| 03:43.27 | `Azra`el | DocKane, mail it to me and buy yourself a new box? =] |
| 03:43.28 | DocKane | i.e. somebody runs it |
| 03:43.31 | asg | spoopin: did you talk to Zawilla? |
| 03:43.34 | abrotman | DocKane: /list ? |
| 03:43.49 | xogon | i use iwconfig ap {hex of AP} but it does nothing |
| 03:43.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. There's a utility that lets you read ext2fs from Windows. explore2fs. Find that, d/l, and install it. Much faster than rebooting to read files. |
| 03:43.57 | spoopin | asg: not yet. Kev may stay over here on Friday night though... |
| 03:44.07 | `Azra`el | xogon, i scripted mine. |
| 03:44.13 | asg | spoopin: oh, let me know and I'll come over if that's cool. |
| 03:44.14 | `Azra`el | i'm sure there's a way to do it natively though. |
| 03:44.16 | N00b2Debian | ok .. finding |
| 03:44.17 | spoopin | asg: kinda depends on how the week goes |
| 03:44.20 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 03:44.22 | spoopin | asg: absolutely |
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| 03:44.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Second option is you can hop over to Dennision IA and check on an old GF of mine... |
| 03:44.35 | xogon | `Azra`el: that is helpful |
| 03:44.41 | DocKane | azrael : what do you need it for ? |
| 03:44.53 | `Azra`el | DocKane: i collect weird hardware |
| 03:44.56 | spoopin | asg: uh,oh ... Emily's firing up SWG |
| 03:44.57 | DocKane | lol |
| 03:45.00 | `Azra`el | i don't need it. =) |
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| 03:45.05 | xogon | "i scripted mine" sounds like a bot response |
| 03:45.08 | asg | spoopin: too late for me, I need to crash in a bit |
| 03:45.08 | N00b2Debian | lol is she linux enchantress eh?.. |
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| 03:45.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 03:45.23 | `Azra`el | xogon, iwconfig and iwlist, and dhclient. |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | DocKane: i used to have a sparc with a transciever .. worked just fine |
| 03:45.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: This was before Linux was a gleam in Linus's eye... |
| 03:45.30 | spoopin | asg: yeah, me too |
| 03:45.46 | `Azra`el | and do you mean more than one access point in an essid group, or what? |
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| 03:46.01 | xogon | `Azra`el: the question was, how to connect to a specific AP (when there are several in range). iwconfig ap {hex of AP} seems to do nothing |
| 03:46.16 | asg | spoopin: I can either game or jam, but I can't do both. |
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| 03:46.45 | zach | ANY GIRLS PRESS 3342 |
| 03:46.48 | `Azra`el | xogon, try kwifimanager if you're using kde, or have it installed |
| 03:46.51 | asg | O_o |
| 03:46.55 | abrotman | zach: are you serious? |
| 03:46.56 | `Azra`el | and iwconfig / dhclient |
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| 03:47.10 | asg | zach: 1-800-LICK-ASS |
| 03:47.14 | zach | just playing |
| 03:47.25 | spoopin | asg: Hmmmm. Tough decision. |
| 03:47.36 | zach | bitch |
| 03:47.38 | asg | spoopin: not really, I prefer jamming to gaming. |
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| 03:47.54 | N00b2Debian | ok .. lol now what am I lookin for .. for you? |
| 03:48.04 | spoopin | asg: Em want to know what server you've been on |
| 03:48.11 | asg | spoopin: kauri |
| 03:48.16 | asg | spoopin: same as always |
| 03:48.16 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Can you access your drive with that? You'll have to play around w/ it a bit, I've only used it once. |
| 03:48.30 | N00b2Debian | it looks like it automatically detected it |
| 03:48.32 | spoopin | asg: what's your name? |
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| 03:48.40 | asg | spoopin: Johni Bigboote |
| 03:48.43 | celia | hello, everybody; I'm quite newbie at Knoppix 3.2... can I use Woody packages in a Sid dist? |
| 03:48.49 | asg | celia: #knoppix |
| 03:48.55 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. Hunt for your /root. |
| 03:48.56 | spoopin | asg: haha. That's right |
| 03:48.59 | karsten | !tell celia about #knoppix |
| 03:49.05 | karsten | celia: /topic |
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| 03:49.18 | jim | bopic! |
| 03:49.40 | gravity | mypoic! |
| 03:49.44 | karsten | celia: Generally answering your question though: no. |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | we should make a !knoppixbomb $1 .. sends them every factoid in /msg that tells them that we don't support knoppix :) |
| 03:50.04 | jim | sarongopic! |
| 03:50.09 | N00b2Debian | hunting for root shouldnt take long... <hopes> |
| 03:50.13 | WiFiTux | So WTF. the Debian kernel people hate 2.6.11? It's a bad sign. |
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| 03:50.18 | karsten | abrotman: And you think they'd actually *read* that? Or just go and complain how *mean* those #debian d00ds are? |
| 03:50.24 | asg | WiFiTux: ? |
| 03:50.33 | abrotman | karsten: wait .. i care .. oh shit .. i don't .. sorry :) |
| 03:50.34 | WiFiTux | asg, not in Sid |
| 03:50.40 | jim | N00b2Debian: except if you're searching above gronud :) |
| 03:50.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Depends. How many partitions did you create? It _should_ be top-level of your first FS. |
| 03:50.43 | asg | WiFiTux: so |
| 03:51.05 | karsten | jim: You got any stump-removers? |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | karsten: what's in it ? |
| 03:51.11 | WiFiTux | asg, there must be a reason |
| 03:51.11 | karsten | abrotman: care. |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | !care |
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| 03:51.21 | asg | WiFiTux: it has to compile and work for 11 arches before it can go in sid. |
| 03:51.26 | abrotman | karsten: is it larger than a breadbox ? |
| 03:51.46 | karsten | abrotman: It's not *my* care anymore, I gave it to you. |
| 03:51.51 | jim | nope... I'll just have to hire a few |
| 03:51.53 | asg | WiFiTux: and, since sarge is close to freeze, new packages should not be going into sid w/o a damn good reason. |
| 03:51.56 | raghu | hi all |
| 03:52.08 | abrotman | karsten: well .. hopefully postage wasn't a lot |
| 03:52.18 | karsten | abrotman: I'm beyond care. |
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| 03:52.22 | asg | abrotman: isn't that the gentoo package manager? |
| 03:52.25 | N00b2Debian | please dont laugh but .. could root be symbolized just as / ? |
| 03:52.31 | asg | N00b2Debian: yes |
| 03:52.34 | P8ntKid | ok something happened |
| 03:52.41 | asg | P8ntKid: you came? |
| 03:52.46 | P8ntKid | there is no GUI or somthin |
| 03:52.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: No. There should be a folder 'root' in that partition. If you don't see it, read me a few folders you _do_ see. |
| 03:52.56 | david_ | hello everybody I'm new to this chat room. Just checking it out. |
| 03:52.58 | asg | P8ntKid: what GUI were you expecting? |
| 03:52.59 | karsten | asg: Um. No. |
| 03:53.00 | WiFiTux | asg, ahh, come on, every day, there are 100 new packages to upgrade in Sid. |
| 03:53.05 | drini | here's a not so debian specific question: when I start through kdm, all my keys (win keys, multimedia keys, etc) are available, but if I disable kdm at boot |
| 03:53.07 | raghu | i have debain stable if i do apt-get install python2.3 it says python2.3: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.1.3-3.2 is to be installed |
| 03:53.08 | raghu | ec: Sorry, broken packages |
| 03:53.08 | karsten | N00b2Debian: asg's on crack (this once) |
| 03:53.10 | asg | karsten: a joke ;) |
| 03:53.12 | N00b2Debian | ok .. I guess I see root ... I have a directory tree looks like this / /usr /var /tmp /home |
| 03:53.15 | P8ntKid | like a user interface |
| 03:53.16 | drini | and start manually with startx, then no special key works |
| 03:53.18 | karsten | asg: Please don't confuse him. |
| 03:53.21 | asg | WiFiTux: and as sarge is close to freeze, that will slow down |
| 03:53.32 | P8ntKid | it just makes me log in |
| 03:53.35 | hacim | anyone know what creates /proc/asound? |
| 03:53.35 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK, Maybe you nudge the scrollbar down a tad? Any 'root' show up? |
| 03:53.35 | P8ntKid | and put my password |
| 03:53.39 | P8ntKid | its like a terminal |
| 03:53.41 | jim | david_: a room this size is impressive no? |
| 03:53.42 | P8ntKid | thats it |
| 03:53.43 | karsten | hacim: your kernel. |
| 03:53.52 | drini | II thoush it had to do with XKBModel in X's configfile |
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| 03:53.53 | N00b2Debian | o hell there it is |
| 03:53.53 | dvs | P8ntKid: The good thing about linux is that you can pick one of many |
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| 03:54.01 | drini | but I couldn't find a setting that makes special keys to work |
| 03:54.08 | P8ntKid | ok so waht do i do? did something not install? |
| 03:54.09 | hacim | karsten: looking for a little more fined grained detail than that, thankx |
| 03:54.10 | WiFiTux | asg, OK. This is from yesterday afternoon to now. 59 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. Need to get 81.0MB of archives. |
| 03:54.10 | karsten | hacim: /proc is a virtual filesystem. It isn't files on disk, it's a representation of kernel state. |
| 03:54.16 | hacim | karsten: I know |
| 03:54.18 | N00b2Debian | I see two files .bashrc and .prfile |
| 03:54.22 | N00b2Debian | .profile |
| 03:54.30 | dvs | P8ntKid: You don't have to reinstall if that's what's you're worried about |
| 03:54.30 | david_ | ya. finding it a little difficult keeping up with the conversations. |
| 03:54.31 | karsten | hacim: Ok. Have to get the ID-10-T questions out first. |
| 03:54.44 | hacim | karsten: some module creates /proc/asound |
| 03:54.45 | karsten | hacim: As to specific kernel modules, not off the top of my head. Got source? |
| 03:54.46 | P8ntKid | dvs: so what do i do? |
| 03:54.53 | raghu | i have debain stable if i do apt-get install python2.3 it says python2.3: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.1.3-3.2 is to be installed |
| 03:54.54 | P8ntKid | ive allready re installed twice |
| 03:54.55 | karsten | hacim: 'lsmod | grep sound' |
| 03:55.03 | dvs | P8ntKid: Install a GUI. The most popular is KDE or gnome |
| 03:55.14 | karsten | hacim: One proxy is to grep your kernel tree for references to '/proc/asound'. |
| 03:55.15 | P8ntKid | u mean the FTP install doesnt come with it? |
| 03:55.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:55.22 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:55.26 | jim | david_: so... you interested in unix/linux? |
| 03:55.27 | karsten | hacim: Probably faster and more accurate than asking here. Tell if you find out. |
| 03:55.28 | calin | !lol |
| 03:55.28 | dpkg | [lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 03:55.31 | asg | WiFiTux: kernels are a little more important that cowsay updates |
| 03:55.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: How goes? |
| 03:55.35 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:55.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:55.35 | P8ntKid | ok so how do i install it? |
| 03:55.45 | dvs | P8ntKid: The FTP installs a certain number of packages. You can install additional packages afterwards. |
| 03:55.46 | asg | s/that/than/ |
| 03:55.47 | N00b2Debian | theres two files in the root directory |
| 03:55.49 | stew | raghu: python2.3 isn't in woody |
| 03:55.54 | karsten | P8ntKid: aptitude |
| 03:55.55 | N00b2Debian | one is .bashrc and .prfile |
| 03:55.57 | P8ntKid | ok so how do i install kde? |
| 03:56.01 | P8ntKid | or gnome |
| 03:56.02 | P8ntKid | ? |
| 03:56.04 | asg | P8ntKid: !install kde |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | which do you want? |
| 03:56.09 | asg | bah |
| 03:56.12 | stew | raghu: only 1.5/2.1/2.2 |
| 03:56.14 | dvs | P8ntKid: As root, "apt-get install kde" |
| 03:56.15 | P8ntKid | what is better kde or gnome? |
| 03:56.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. That sounds about right, unfortunately it's not very useful. |
| 03:56.21 | abrotman | P8ntKid: either .. apt-get install kde .. or apt-get install gnome . or both |
| 03:56.22 | karsten | N00b2Debian: How about /var/log? Anything there? |
| 03:56.25 | asg | P8ntKid: only you can decide |
| 03:56.25 | dvs | !better |
| 03:56.25 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:56.25 | david_ | I've been doing linux for awhile. I'm using Debian Sid 2.6.. |
| 03:56.37 | juures | does anyone know any xserver-xorg binary repositorys? |
| 03:56.39 | asg | david_: then you haven't. /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 03:56.44 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Alternatively, /tmp might have something. Sorry, I'm sort of shooting in the dark, don't run the installer too often. |
| 03:56.47 | david_ | no |
| 03:56.47 | stew | juures: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 03:56.49 | sussudio | !topicbadger juures |
| 03:56.49 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that juures didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 03:56.54 | P8ntKid | ok is that all i need to know? |
| 03:56.55 | jcole | P8ntKid: kgnome is the best |
| 03:57.05 | dvs | jcole: ???? ;-) |
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| 03:57.09 | stew | sussudio: melo, fungo, serpento |
| 03:57.09 | P8ntKid | so can i do apt-get install kgnome ? |
| 03:57.11 | d0t | im Researching building a Linux cluster, which software would be best for someone new to cluster computing?? OpenMOSIX/OpenSSI/LAM |
| 03:57.13 | WiFiTux | kgnome? |
| 03:57.15 | abrotman | jcole: i like gknomek |
| 03:57.16 | david_ | what is it? |
| 03:57.16 | juures | i did read the topic |
| 03:57.18 | raghu | stew: is it not possible to install python2.3 |
| 03:57.31 | raghu | stew: by any means |
| 03:57.33 | stew | raghu: maybe from backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 03:57.40 | d0t | or any others, if you have a recommendation... :) |
| 03:57.47 | asg | d0t: I'd ask directhex in a few hours or so, he does quite a bit of work with such things. |
| 03:57.48 | dvs | P8ntKid: I've never heard of kgnome. |
| 03:57.58 | dvs | P8ntKid: I've heard of "kde" and "gnome" |
| 03:58.02 | juures | but it only talks about compiling your own |
| 03:58.05 | d0t | ahhh, I think i've spoken to him before. Thanks alot asg |
| 03:58.06 | raghu | stew: if i do apt-cache search python2.3 ...it has python2.3 |
| 03:58.06 | jim | david_: ahh, so linux kernel 2.6.something? kernel version is different from debian version |
| 03:58.17 | stew | raghu: you've got non-official sources then |
| 03:58.46 | N00b2Debian | nothing.... but now that you mention it I do remember it saying there was a log file created somewhere.... I just laughed cuz im like .. how do i get to it if I cant finish the install |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | juures: xorg isn't in debian |
| 03:58.55 | stew | raghu: you must have a repository in your sources.list that's not debian, talk to that repository maintainer if its broken |
| 03:58.57 | raghu | stew: to install it it says....python2.3: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.1.3-3.2 is to be installed |
| 03:58.58 | N00b2Debian | If you give me like 5 mins i'll run the installer again |
| 03:58.58 | raghu | ec: Sorry, broken packages |
| 03:59.02 | karsten | d0t: Depends on what kind of cluster you're building and the apps you're running. Beowulf and Mosix are the two usual routes, Beowulf is the more common. |
| 03:59.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Sounds like a plan. |
| 03:59.36 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'm asking on #debian-boot BTW. |
| 03:59.36 | juures | abrotman, i know that but there are pre compiled binarys out there |
| 03:59.38 | N00b2Debian | brb thx |
| 03:59.43 | abrotman | d0t: i think it depends on your application |
| 03:59.45 | david_ | Jim...Debian distro w/ a 2.6 kernel in my laptop, 2.4 in my office machine and the server in the garage. |
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| 03:59.50 | hacim | karsten: modprobe snd adds it |
| 03:59.56 | karsten | Crap. |
| 03:59.57 | d0t | Karsten: Understood. Im really unsure as to exactly what I intend to do with it, but would like PovRay/Encoding/Compiling/etc to work |
| 03:59.59 | karsten | hacim: OK. |
| 04:00.03 | d0t | abortman, check out OpenMosix |
| 04:00.05 | d0t | :D :D :D |
| 04:00.10 | abrotman | d0t: i think there is a #mpi or lampich or mpich |
| 04:00.25 | d0t | thanks, i've been reading over them all |
| 04:00.27 | karsten | d0t: Your best bet is to ask in the communities of the applications you're planning to run, find out what clustering people there prefer. |
| 04:00.30 | jim | david_: good enuf :) |
| 04:00.37 | abrotman | d0t: i have a friend who does MPI for a living |
| 04:00.41 | karsten | d0t: Clustering is a place where apps drive system design more than the other way 'round. |
| 04:00.43 | juures | this is one http://dwdraw.homeunix.org/xorg/xorg-building.html |
| 04:00.44 | d0t | just have no 'real world' experience with any of them, so thought i'd ask |
| 04:00.52 | d0t | no doubt!!! :D |
| 04:01.02 | jetscreamer | you might check out clusterix, over in #morphix |
| 04:01.14 | david_ | my son-in-law told about this cahtroom if i needed any help to solve any problems. |
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| 04:01.23 | karsten | d0t: FWIW, this is probably the wrong place, myself included. I've got a glancing knowlege, not much. Google <app> linux cluster. See what turns up. |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | david_: but it's #debian |
| 04:01.36 | asg | david_: and you are running sid? |
| 04:01.48 | abrotman | david_: we can't just solve any problem :) |
| 04:01.55 | asg | abrotman: yes we can |
| 04:02.00 | benjamindees | d0t, perhaps try cluster knoppix as well |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | asg: we can try |
| 04:02.04 | d0t | excellent suggestion K, i've been peering around, but not an easy find hard data which is decipherable |
| 04:02.05 | asg | abrotman: with big pointy sticks |
| 04:02.13 | jetscreamer | d0t clusterix.net |
| 04:02.26 | abrotman | asg: but i will not attempt to tell someone why thier reactor doesn't work |
| 04:02.38 | david_ | i don't have any problems to solve at this point. : ) |
| 04:02.40 | d0t | oh yes Benjamindees!!! I saw that just moments ago, I belive it was OpenSSI that had support for Knoppix |
| 04:02.41 | d0t | very cool |
| 04:02.42 | asg | abrotman: probably because they have their finger in their ear |
| 04:02.46 | d0t | im on it jetscreamer! |
| 04:02.47 | d0t | :D |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | asg: and i'd rather not solve domestic disputes |
| 04:03.17 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 04:03.17 | benjamindees | d0t, it was a little buggy last time I tried, but that was a few releases ago |
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| 04:03.25 | david_ | instead of sid maybe i should say unstable. |
| 04:03.32 | asg | david_: same thing |
| 04:03.49 | d0t | AHHHHHHH |
| 04:03.53 | d0t | THANKS JETSCREAMER!!! |
| 04:03.53 | jetscreamer | sid never moves, unlike whatever's in the testing house |
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| 04:03.58 | jetscreamer | np |
| 04:04.05 | juures | well, thanks anyway :) see you |
| 04:04.08 | d0t | Exactly what i wanted, Debian GNU based, the features of openmosix |
| 04:04.10 | d0t | very cool |
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| 04:05.34 | david_ | see ya later |
| 04:05.37 | jim | david_: when you do have something to ask or contribute or just want to listen or whatever... |
| 04:05.50 | david_ | thanks Jim |
| 04:05.57 | grivell | david_: See you later. |
| 04:06.13 | abrotman | wait .. shouldn't we ask david_ who his soninlaw is ? |
| 04:06.18 | BBearr | join colinux |
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| 04:06.23 | mwilson | http://www.debian.org |
| 04:06.23 | mrclark | hi all. i've been having some issues with the debian-provided ndiswrapper packages. I'm working on getting a broadcom card working. ndiswrapper compiles, loads fine, but i can't get it to associate with the AP. |
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| 04:06.35 | mwilson | fsck |
| 04:06.35 | BigBlockO | what is the file where i configure my internet connection |
| 04:06.36 | asg | !group hug |
| 04:06.39 | BigBlockO | where i set up eth0 |
| 04:06.43 | asg | BigBlockO: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:06.45 | mwilson | someone spout a URL |
| 04:06.45 | dvs | BigBlockO: man intefaces |
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| 04:06.48 | BigBlockO | cool |
| 04:06.49 | BigBlockO | thanks |
| 04:06.53 | Smurg | I know I shouldnt be asking this here, but I have a .BIN file of Encarta 2004,but when burned to CD-R, the program does not recognize the CD, in general, how do I burn .BIN to a CD-R with the safedisc protection |
| 04:06.54 | asg | mwilson: onionbooty.com? |
| 04:06.58 | dude_ | http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 04:07.08 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 04:07.10 | mwilson | ah |
| 04:07.12 | abrotman | fucking idiots |
| 04:07.31 | benjamindees | Smurg, you don't, and yeah, don't ask in here |
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| 04:07.41 | mrclark | the consensus seems to be that if this is the case, then either the AP isn't broadcasting an essid (it is), or the radio isn't on on the card. the problem is, to the best of my knowledge it is. |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | dude: what is wrong with you? |
| 04:07.47 | mwilson | No, I was fixing the irssi urlgrab script, and apparently if *I* spout a url, it ignores it. |
| 04:07.51 | doleyb | Smurg, you can't use a cd-burner, you must have a cd-pressor. Those cost $14,000. |
| 04:07.53 | raghu | how to remove broken packages? |
| 04:08.01 | mwilson | raghu: Define "broken". |
| 04:08.15 | rixth | Why are my Apache logs being made as application/octet-stream instead of text/plain? |
| 04:08.17 | raghu | mwilson: i did not get sorry |
| 04:08.22 | grivell | mwilson: Feel like urlgrab'ing goatse.cx? |
| 04:08.25 | dude | abrotman just wanted everyone to read what was said about #debian. Have to say I was very suprised and dissapointed since this is such a good group. |
| 04:08.33 | abrotman | dude: it's so fucking old .. drop it |
| 04:08.41 | *** part/#debian Smurg (Smurg@61.247.246.189) |
| 04:08.48 | abrotman | dude: we obviously know .. and for the most part . .don't care afaict |
| 04:09.02 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.14 | raghu | !Define "broken" |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | !broken |
| 04:09.21 | dpkg | it has been said that broken is mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. |
| 04:09.23 | dude | abrotman ah glad. I was just terrible surprised to have read it since I find this group to be very helpful |
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| 04:09.47 | abrotman | dude: it came out .. 2 months ago or so .. it's been rubbed raw on a cheese grater ... |
| 04:09.53 | stew | ouch |
| 04:09.57 | dude | abrotman ah, done then. Thanks |
| 04:10.04 | rixth | Why are my Apache logs being made as application/octet-stream instead of text/plain? |
| 04:10.21 | mwilson | raghu: Well? |
| 04:10.31 | stew | raghu: you have something in your sources.list that is not debian or not woody or both, and it seems to be broken, you should get that out of there |
| 04:10.33 | abrotman | why are your apache logs somewhere your browser can get them ? |
| 04:10.34 | karsten | dude: With channel users running 750-900, we get a range of responses. Some total idiot questions, some total asshole responders. And a lot of decent questions and good responses. There's a lot of training the user as well. |
| 04:10.52 | raghu | stew ; ok |
| 04:10.58 | mwilson | karsten: Pavlovian? :) |
| 04:11.04 | asg | karsten: and don't forget the oral sex |
| 04:11.26 | karsten | asg: Does that mean you're ready to offer? |
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| 04:11.38 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Welcome back. |
| 04:11.43 | dude | karsten true true |
| 04:11.47 | N00b2Debian | thanks u |
| 04:11.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:11.50 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 04:11.59 | DocKane | karsten from synetics ? |
| 04:12.00 | N00b2Debian | lol |
| 04:12.04 | abrotman | not funny |
| 04:12.05 | karsten | DocKane: Nope. |
| 04:12.07 | asg | karsten: I'm am at a loss for words |
| 04:12.07 | grivell | !botabuse |
| 04:12.07 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 04:12.22 | karsten | asg: Didn't your mother tell you not to talk with your mouth full? |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | !hump grivell |
| 04:12.30 | grivell | !cut abrotman |
| 04:12.30 | asg | karsten: mmmph? |
| 04:12.33 | `Azra`el | !hump abrotman |
| 04:12.37 | rixth | Why are my Apache logs being made as application/octet-stream instead of text/plain? |
| 04:12.40 | N00b2Debian | ok so upon erroring I message said to check /var/log/messages |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | rixth: ask #apache ? |
| 04:12.49 | asg | rixth: what are you doing that indicates that they are? |
| 04:12.49 | N00b2Debian | but I cannot find that directory |
| 04:12.50 | cafuego | rixth: Say what? |
| 04:13.07 | asg | rixth: what does 'file /var/log/apache/access.log' say? |
| 04:13.11 | N00b2Debian | it also said I could check terminal 3 |
| 04:13.12 | benjamindees | rixth, it has nothing to do with how they're "made" but how the server that's serving them recognizes them (incorrectly) |
| 04:13.13 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yeah: /var/log/debian-installer/ |
| 04:13.19 | mwilson | rixth: You were already asked once... why are the logs where the server can see them? |
| 04:13.20 | rixth | Well, the logs appear with the gnome foot, they are 0 bytes and the type is application/octet-stream not text/plain |
| 04:13.48 | mwilson | rixth: In other words, what you're looking at is utterly without meaning. |
| 04:14.07 | rixth | mwilson: they aren't where Internet users can get them. |
| 04:14.16 | rixth | Come to #flood and I'll post my VirtualHost conf |
| 04:14.25 | mwilson | rixth: Let's just say you have no idea of what you're looking at, and leave it at that, shall we? |
| 04:14.35 | mwilson | rixth: You have manufactured a problem that does not exist. |
| 04:14.46 | rixth | mwilson: there is nothing in the file AT ALL. |
| 04:14.50 | benjamindees | heh, zero data; no wonder they aren't detected properly |
| 04:14.50 | mwilson | rixth: So? |
| 04:14.56 | mwilson | rixth: Is there supposed to be? |
| 04:15.00 | foureyes779 | ya br0ke it... |
| 04:15.16 | stew | but its 0 bytes of application/octet-stream... |
| 04:15.18 | mwilson | rixth: Has the server done anything that required something to be logged? |
| 04:15.23 | rixth | So. It's not logging access to the server. |
| 04:15.27 | cafuego | stew: Does it have XML support? |
| 04:15.46 | rixth | I'm running 3 NameVirtualHosts, the other two are logging correctly. Yes, I myself, and others have visited the server within the last couple minutes |
| 04:15.47 | stew | cafuego: i'm guessing he didn't turn that on yet |
| 04:15.49 | asg | !kill work |
| 04:15.50 | N00b2Debian | theres nothing under /var =( |
| 04:15.51 | mwilson | stew: It's nonsense. He's looking at a zero-byte file with some random extension that Gnome's mime-types has assigned to octet-stream. |
| 04:15.52 | asg | brb |
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| 04:15.59 | cafuego | rixth: is the server running? Is it indeed configured to log to that file? |
| 04:16.04 | stew | mwilson: yeah, i get it |
| 04:16.05 | mwilson | stew: In other words, it's totally irrelevant. |
| 04:16.06 | raghu | stew: now i have source.list......which comes with debain stable |
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| 04:16.15 | stew | mwilson: i was kidding |
| 04:16.21 | rixth | Come to #flood and I'll post part of my conf file. |
| 04:16.22 | stew | raghu: apt-get update |
| 04:16.30 | raghu | stew: i did that |
| 04:16.33 | mwilson | stew: What's unfortunate is that such people actually run web servers. |
| 04:16.41 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Hrm. Is it a seperate partition? |
| 04:16.51 | rixth | mwilson, no need to be nasty. |
| 04:16.56 | stew | mwilson: yes and no, i get paid good money to clean up after them sometimes :) |
| 04:17.01 | raghu | stew: i want to install python2.3....how to do that? |
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| 04:17.27 | karsten | raghu: man aptitude |
| 04:17.38 | benjamindees | stew, I get black eyes telling people that their "Linux web hosting service" is run by morons but Linux itself is okay... |
| 04:17.39 | stew | raghu: first, ask if you really need python2.3 and not python2.2, then see if its available on backports.org, and if that fails you can try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:17.52 | rixth | CustomLog /spectrum/logs/access_log common <<thats how its setup for the VirtualHost thats not working |
| 04:17.59 | mwilson | stew: I used to run one... just a little local thing. Then I realized (a) I had no idea what I was doing, (b) I had no interest in knowing what I was doing. So (c) I took it down. |
| 04:18.01 | i-o | Guys when installing Sarge is it normal to get a blue screen |
| 04:18.01 | N00b2Debian | yes theres a seperate partition called /var but theres nothing in the /log dir |
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| 04:18.14 | raghu | karsten,stew: thx |
| 04:18.21 | dvs | i-o: Yes |
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| 04:18.52 | i-o | Dvs for a long time |
| 04:18.53 | cafuego | rixth: What makes you think /spectrum/logs/access_log would end up in /var/log/apache/access.log ? |
| 04:19.08 | dvs | i-o: Oh, not for a long time (5 mins) |
| 04:19.10 | toresbe | abrotman: No, Norway uses PC105 IIRC |
| 04:19.18 | mwilson | stew: If more people would do (b) and (c), the world would be better off. |
| 04:19.26 | abrotman | toresbe: tell that guy :) |
| 04:19.36 | i-o | Damn I had that there for about 25 min |
| 04:19.38 | rixth | cafuego: I have never mentioned /var/log/apache/access.log nothing is set to log there |
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| 04:19.49 | toresbe | abrotman: who? |
| 04:19.54 | i-o | thanks for the info |
| 04:19.58 | abrotman | toresbe: he's gone |
| 04:20.02 | rixth | /var/log/apache does not even exist. |
| 04:20.04 | stew | mwilson: belive me, i agree. whats worse is the people i have to deal with who are web designers running 50 domains on redhat 8 and cpanel or crap like that |
| 04:20.07 | toresbe | oh, heh |
| 04:20.08 | abrotman | toresbe: i thikn it was mr-debpack or something |
| 04:20.12 | DocKane | i ve got a hppa box here running with woody and i would like to do a re-netinstall from the existing installation (no floppy/no cdrom). is that possible ? do i have to find myself somewhere working with booting images over lan (do not want to do that) ? |
| 04:20.12 | stew | mwilson: which happens way more than it should |
| 04:20.16 | cafuego | rixth: You failed to note you log elsewhere when someone suggested you check that file. |
| 04:20.36 | abrotman | DocKane: /msg dpkg debootstrap ... but i don't know if it works for woody |
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| 04:21.09 | cafuego | stew: What idiots. Debian without cpanel runs 130-odd domains without issues ;-) |
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| 04:21.24 | stew | the number of times i end up having to start a conversation like, "first off, dns doens't work anything like the way you think it does".... |
| 04:21.28 | stew | heh |
| 04:21.31 | rixth | I'm logging to /usr/local/apache2/logs/access_log (which works) another host to /spectrum/logs/access_log common (works) and /spectrum/log/access_log common (doesn't work) |
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| 04:21.49 | benjamindees | stew, yes, dns is too confusing for them I've noticed |
| 04:21.58 | asg | spoopin: talk later |
| 04:22.08 | cafuego | rixth: You're running a self-compiled apache2? |
| 04:22.11 | FromTO | although I have firefox as a url as well as mailto: handler in GNOME. whenever I open a website from a pdf file epiphany takes control |
| 04:22.34 | benjamindees | stew, they usually have a "unix guy" who deals with it for them, you I suppose :) |
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| 04:23.25 | rixth | Cafuego, yes, |
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| 04:24.10 | Desiac | can anyone suggest a enterprise antivirus solution, basically just need a system that will push the latest definitions and patches to a network of windows clients |
| 04:24.11 | cafuego | rixth: Silly person |
| 04:24.22 | cafuego | maybe you'd get help if you ran debian software |
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| 04:24.26 | N00b2Debian | so.. I guess im kinda skewd eh? |
| 04:24.30 | `Azra`el | Desiac: NOD32 |
| 04:24.31 | benjamindees | Desiac, Norton |
| 04:24.35 | karsten | Desiac: clamav addresses the scan issue. |
| 04:24.41 | Soundzor | I ran an apt-get install enlightenment for the enlightenment window manager, how do I access it now? I'm currently running gnome, how do you switch back and forth? |
| 04:24.46 | karsten | Desiac: Otherwise, that's pretty OT here. |
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| 04:24.58 | Desiac | benjamindees: the enterprise console only works on win boxes doesn't it |
| 04:25.00 | poisoned1 | Hi all |
| 04:25.01 | ChibaPet | Hey, all... Quick question. Is there a preferred way to gather a list of all packages installed on a system and cause dpkg to take the resulting spec and use it to install, say, on another system? |
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| 04:25.07 | mbjones | I upgraded Linux, my /home partition was a separate partition. Now during bootup, it complains that my /home partition's ext3 has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. What can I do about this? (I apt-get install e2fsck and it says package not found) |
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| 04:25.08 | cafuego | Desiac: Any enterprise version of windows anti-virus software. |
| 04:25.09 | poisoned1 | Trying to get X to work |
| 04:25.11 | rixth | Cafuego, why? |
| 04:25.14 | Desiac | `Azra`el: thnx, was thinking NOD was gonna be my best solution |
| 04:25.20 | karsten | Soundzor: Exit your X session. If you're running an X display manager, enlightenment should be among the options. |
| 04:25.22 | poisoned1 | How do I stop it from trying to run at startup? |
| 04:25.26 | `Azra`el | Desiac: we use it exclusively for enterprise shit. |
| 04:25.26 | rixth | It's sitting on a dedicated machine, so there's nothing really bad that can happen |
| 04:25.27 | draden | can anyone point me in a good place for a simple DNS tutorial? |
| 04:25.32 | stew | benjamindees: yeah unfortunately they don't call quick enough most of the time, only after they've really knackered it up |
| 04:25.32 | `Azra`el | NOD for business, AVG for home. |
| 04:25.38 | cafuego | rixth: You're running some unpecified non-packaged apache2 version. Maybe you need to check #apache for help. |
| 04:25.41 | LeBear | I have a question. My apache seems to want to take up a very large amount of ram. |
| 04:25.42 | Soundzor | karsten, by logging out? I tried that :-/ I had only kde and gnome for choices... |
| 04:25.46 | LeBear | why? |
| 04:25.48 | karsten | Soundzor: You can also run 'startx $( which enlightenment ) -- :1' at console. |
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| 04:25.56 | nickrud | ChibaPet: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:26.03 | Desiac | `Azra`el: sounds like a goer, thnx again |
| 04:26.03 | rixth | Ok, I'll try there. |
| 04:26.06 | karsten | Soundzor: ...or play some games with Xnest. |
| 04:26.07 | ChibaPet | nickrud - thanks! |
| 04:26.10 | ChibaPet | :) |
| 04:26.10 | poisoned1 | lebear thats what apache does |
| 04:26.11 | ChibaPet | bbl |
| 04:26.13 | mwilson | karsten: Not so. Enlightenment doesn't install a session file. |
| 04:26.14 | poisoned1 | lol |
| 04:26.14 | benjamindees | stew, lol, I was going to say that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up by trying it themselves :D |
| 04:26.16 | karsten | Soundzor: What's your X display manager? |
| 04:26.23 | karsten | mwilson: *fbog* it doesn't? |
| 04:26.28 | mwilson | karsten: No. |
| 04:26.33 | Soundzor | karsten, gdm |
| 04:26.36 | poisoned1 | how do I stop x from trying to start durring boot? |
| 04:26.42 | stew | poisoned1: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:26.43 | cafuego | !nodm |
| 04:26.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 04:26.48 | karsten | Soundzor: Do you have an .xsession file? |
| 04:26.51 | rixth | Just fixed it myself. The .log extension was missing. It was so easy to overlook. I'm suprised noone else noticed it too. |
| 04:26.52 | LeBear | apache is always showing up as trying to use 138meg of ram. Is this normal? |
| 04:27.00 | mwilson | karsten: Doesn't matter, gdm is going to ignore that. |
| 04:27.07 | cafuego | LeBear: Where are you getting that number from? |
| 04:27.12 | mwilson | karsten: Unless you choose the right session, of course. |
| 04:27.14 | Soundzor | karsten, Don't know, haven't specifically played with it. would it be /etc/X11/? or |
| 04:27.16 | LeBear | www-data 21200 0.0 1.1 138240 2952 ? S 23:24 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache |
| 04:27.21 | benjamindees | stew, I always feel sorry for the "unix guy" when they start talking about "having to call" him :) |
| 04:27.34 | mwilson | karsten: Remember, Gnome always knows better than you. |
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| 04:27.39 | LeBear | cafuego: I've got six processes like that... |
| 04:27.42 | poisoned1 | lebear what does top say? |
| 04:27.50 | karsten | Soundzor: Tell you what: go to console. Kill gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'). Run: startx $( which enlightenment ) |
| 04:28.01 | karsten | Soundzor: LMK if that works. We'll mess with the rest of it. |
| 04:28.05 | benjamindees | stew, and that's the reason that I keep the root password for boxes I manage :) |
| 04:28.07 | mwilson | And people wonder why I still use XDM... |
| 04:28.10 | karsten | mwilson: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg01136.html |
| 04:28.13 | Soundzor | karsten, Ha, alright, bbl |
| 04:28.24 | mwilson | I have that bookmarked. :) |
| 04:28.25 | cafuego | LeBear: looks like 2.9Mb to me, not 138. |
| 04:28.28 | LeBear | RAM: poisoned1: 182meg used.. 75meg free. Swap: 16meg used 481meg free |
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| 04:28.35 | draden | WDM is where its at |
| 04:28.40 | karsten | Soundzor: You can *probably* connive, bribe, or torture GDM into launching E. |
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| 04:28.51 | LeBear | cafuego: isn't the first column how much the process wants.. the second how much it has? |
| 04:28.58 | karsten | mwilson: Heh. I found a few references / quotes to it. Some guy in Indonesia apparently likes it. |
| 04:28.58 | cafuego | LeBear: No. |
| 04:29.01 | N00b2Debian | lol I cant believe I cant gt this installed .. I'm not an idiot ... its just not fair |
| 04:29.13 | karsten | !fair |
| 04:29.13 | dpkg | Life isn't fair. Get over it. |
| 04:29.23 | N00b2Debian | heh.. thx |
| 04:29.23 | cafuego | LeBear: if it doesn't have as much as it wants, it would exit saying "memory exhausted". |
| 04:29.27 | mwilson | karsten: Sure. You can write a session file for it. You can choose whichever session causes GDM to read ~/.xsession (I forget which). You can rip it out and install something that follows established standards... |
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| 04:29.48 | cowbud | mwilson: haha |
| 04:30.02 | LeBear | cafuego: where can I find a definition of the columns? |
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| 04:30.20 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Still no log file? |
| 04:30.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: How far does debootstrap get before it pukes? |
| 04:30.36 | N00b2Debian | no.. there is no log file |
| 04:30.43 | N00b2Debian | it goes about halfway |
| 04:30.59 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's it doing when it quits? |
| 04:30.59 | cafuego | LeBear: Dunno offhand. I suppsoe it's best to think of RRS as the "memory used" column and "VSZ" as the "memory + memory taken up by libraries" column. |
| 04:31.42 | N00b2Debian | I dunno . come over and see .. LOL |
| 04:31.58 | N00b2Debian | I can go do it again and see If I can catch where it pukes |
| 04:32.00 | LeBear | cafuego: Ahhhhhh. hrmm ok. That makes more sense. |
| 04:32.01 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Sure. Pay my airfare... |
| 04:32.15 | N00b2Debian | u leaving soon? |
| 04:32.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ? |
| 04:32.28 | cafuego | LeBear: if you added up the entire VSZ colukmn you'd end up with more memory sued than you have :-) |
| 04:32.39 | LeBear | cafuego: is the memory taken up by the libraries shared between programs? |
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| 04:32.46 | cafuego | LeBear: yes |
| 04:32.48 | N00b2Debian | I'll go run the installer again and see if i can read what its doing when it dies |
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| 04:32.58 | LeBear | hrmmm.. groovy. |
| 04:33.01 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. |
| 04:33.22 | cafuego | LeBear: This is why shared libraries are called shared libraries :-) |
| 04:33.32 | mwilson | <sigh> I wish emelfm had an active upstream. |
| 04:33.44 | LeBear | cafuego: I always thought it was the ssl stuff that was causing it to be big.. so I tried removing those tonight and it didn't even make a difference.. so I popped in here. |
| 04:34.15 | stouset | Mornin', folks. |
| 04:34.26 | cafuego | LeBear: Nah, ssl is tiny. it'd mainly be libc6 I think. |
| 04:34.38 | cafuego | or in my case, php4 and all the shit that loads. |
| 04:34.55 | LeBear | yeah.. php4 no doubt.. |
| 04:35.08 | cafuego | NLYARTHOTEP LIVES! |
| 04:35.22 | LeBear | libapache-mod-ssl and it's requirements only seem to take up 1 meg.. cool |
| 04:35.46 | stouset | 1 meg? I demand my SSL in only sixty bytes! |
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| 04:36.24 | cafuego | stouset: How many bybbles is that? |
| 04:36.27 | cafuego | nybbles too |
| 04:36.39 | m0rbid | what is the best way to see what packages are installed on your system? So I can remove whats not needed.. is dselect the best way? |
| 04:36.43 | LeBear | stouset: I developped an unbreakable cypher that can do that. AND all your bytes with 0x00 |
| 04:36.55 | karsten | m0rbid: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:37.03 | m0rbid | karsten: thx |
| 04:37.05 | LeBear | dselect is never the best way to do anything.. |
| 04:37.12 | m0rbid | LeBear: I agree |
| 04:37.18 | keyhack | I upgraded Linux, my /home partition was a separate partition. Now during bootup, it complains that my /home partition's ext3 has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. What can I do about this? |
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| 04:37.24 | stouset | LeBear: unbreakable? Please. Just cycle through every bit configuration for the same message length and you'll eventually get the correct message. |
| 04:37.30 | LeBear | except maybe torment your dog... |
| 04:37.40 | karsten | keyhack: Do you have ext3 support compiled / loaded? |
| 04:37.48 | cafuego | LeBear: Theres' an optimised C call which is even better. memfrob() |
| 04:37.52 | keyhack | karsten, well my / partition is ext3 |
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| 04:37.57 | poisoned1 | how do I get the kernel src installed so I can install nvidia drivers? |
| 04:37.58 | keyhack | so I would imagine yeah |
| 04:38.05 | LeBear | stouset: it's a one time pad of zeros... everyone knows OTPs are unbreakable :) |
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| 04:38.15 | karsten | poisoned1: aptitude install kernel-source-<version> |
| 04:38.18 | stouset | poisoned1: You only need the headers. apt-get install kernel-headers-<version> |
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| 04:38.36 | OpenRealty | anyone know how I can set enlightenment as default wm for gnome in sid? |
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| 04:38.49 | stouset | LeBear: OTP is based on XOR, not AND :-) |
| 04:39.17 | DFuzzy1 | howdy. I managed to get wlan0 up along with my card, but "ifup wlan0" gives me an "ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" message. |
| 04:39.20 | LeBear | I adapted. Adaptibility is the soul of enginuety. ok.. how the hell do you spell that? |
| 04:39.25 | karsten | OpenRealty: man update-alternatives. Try x-window-manager. |
| 04:39.26 | LeBear | inginouetty? |
| 04:39.27 | stouset | OpenRealty: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:39.30 | mwilson | OpenRealty: You don't want to do that. |
| 04:39.35 | LeBear | dpkg: spell inginouetty |
| 04:39.37 | dpkg | I can't find alternate spellings for 'inginouetty' |
| 04:39.40 | keyhack | karsten, how can I like downgrade the FS or remove the features, I need to get this /home partition working asap |
| 04:39.41 | cafuego | DFuzzy1: /etc/network/interfaces needs a wlan0 entry |
| 04:39.42 | DFuzzy1 | ingenuity. |
| 04:39.47 | LeBear | Ahhh. yes. that. |
| 04:39.48 | mwilson | OpenRealty: You *especially* want to forget that the update-alternatives command even exists. |
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| 04:40.07 | karsten | keyhack: Dunno. No idea what you did. Try googling the _exact_ error message. What kernel are you running? |
| 04:40.10 | DFuzzy1 | if I try putting "auto wlan0", it just hangs on loading |
| 04:40.11 | OpenRealty | mwilson: ok |
| 04:40.22 | DFuzzy1 | if I leave out the auto, linux can't read the file properly |
| 04:40.26 | cafuego | DFuzzy1: Yes, because it's half an entry |
| 04:40.35 | Carlos | alguem q fale portugues???? |
| 04:40.45 | mwilson | OpenRealty: E won't play particularly well with Gnome, anyway. If you must, kill metacity, then start up E, then save the session. |
| 04:40.52 | DFuzzy1 | so what's the other half? :) |
| 04:40.53 | keyhack | karsten, I cannot see the error message. It does not show up in dmesg like it did on the screen. kernel 2.6.10-4-386 |
| 04:40.54 | cafuego | ¡no se! |
| 04:41.00 | cafuego | DFuzzy1: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:41.06 | DFuzzy1 | I see |
| 04:41.11 | poisoned1 | how do I know what kernel I have? |
| 04:41.15 | cafuego | DFuzzy1: it's got examples. |
| 04:41.17 | poisoned1 | I know I installed 2.4 |
| 04:41.22 | dvs | poisoned1: uname -r |
| 04:41.23 | LeBear | uname -a |
| 04:41.46 | OpenRealty | mwilson: should enlightenment just be run on its own |
| 04:41.56 | OpenRealty | mwilson: it would be nice if it shoed up in gdm menu |
| 04:42.11 | cafuego | Is E17 finished yet? |
| 04:42.23 | stouset | OpenRealty: e should have shown up in the GDM menu if installed correctly, AFAIK |
| 04:42.37 | mwilson | cafuego: No. |
| 04:42.51 | karsten | keyhack: Try umounting and remounting home. Should trigger the message. |
| 04:42.56 | cafuego | Does e17 have special alpha-quality eyecandy for Xorg? |
| 04:42.57 | mwilson | stouset: No. E does not contain a GDM session file. Didn't we just go through this once? |
| 04:43.06 | karsten | keyhack: You'll need to be logged out as your primary user to do that. |
| 04:43.29 | karsten | mwilson: Different user. |
| 04:43.43 | karsten | mwilson: The E-fr33ks are coming out of the w00dw0rk tonight. |
| 04:43.53 | keyhack | karsten, I mounted and it did not complain about anything, but I get a permission denied when trying to go into any directories on the partition |
| 04:43.55 | OpenRealty | mwilson: thanks i got it im trying it now |
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| 04:44.35 | stouset | mwilson: no? =\ |
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| 04:44.44 | cafuego | Too bad gentoo doesn't have a "BRAIN setting for USE-FLAGS |
| 04:44.49 | karsten | keyhack: 'dmesg' Anything new there? Also /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog |
| 04:45.03 | mwilson | Hm, emelfm2 has come quite a ways |
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| 04:45.24 | N00b2Debian | oh man I think im about to be dubbed moron fo the night but we'll see |
| 04:45.36 | N00b2Debian | ok karsten |
| 04:45.37 | bob2 | 13:45:39 -!-| Irssi: Attention: Starting query in OPN with zach |
| 04:45.38 | bob2 | 13:45:39 zach | asl |
| 04:45.38 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:45.49 | gravity | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:45.54 | gravity | bob2: You should reply |
| 04:45.55 | keyhack | Mar 14 23:15:01 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. |
| 04:45.55 | keyhack | Mar 14 23:15:01 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. |
| 04:46.08 | srid | I get bad characters like '?' when viewing man pages in xterm. How to fix it? |
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| 04:46.10 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Do tell. |
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| 04:46.24 | karsten | srid: Change your locale. To what excactly becomes a good question.... |
| 04:46.29 | Thaiger | Is there a program similar to lomount that I can apt-get? |
| 04:46.38 | karsten | Thaiger: WTF is lomount? |
| 04:46.54 | N00b2Debian | it stops on core-packages I think .. but isnt that because I plan on doing a net install? |
| 04:47.01 | dvs | Kinda like lojack |
| 04:47.02 | Soundzor | Alright, I ran a startx $(which enlightenment) and I got into enlightenment. Weird. umm now how do I get to be able to choose it on the gdm? |
| 04:47.03 | N00b2Debian | I know have the log also |
| 04:47.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Um. Do you have network connection up? |
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| 04:47.20 | keyhack | karsten, looks like I have to go back to FC3 |
| 04:47.22 | N00b2Debian | theres a nice lil option to save the log that I never clicked |
| 04:47.23 | mwilson | Hm, but it still breaks its own window positioning./ |
| 04:47.24 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about paster |
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| 04:47.28 | srid | karsten, thanks |
| 04:47.30 | Thaiger | karsten: not entirely sure ^_^, was listed on the qemu mailing list as a way to mount qemu diskimage files |
| 04:47.36 | mwilson | srid: File a bug against the broken man page. |
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| 04:47.52 | srid | mwilson, no this is locale problem |
| 04:48.00 | mwilson | srid: Unlikely. |
| 04:48.09 | srid | mwilson, LANG=C man less worked |
| 04:48.13 | karsten | Thaiger: Sounds like a loopback mount. "mount -o loop -t <fs> <image file> <mount point>" does the same thing. |
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| 04:48.19 | keyhack | karsten, which sucks |
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| 04:48.35 | karsten | keyhack: How'd you create /home? |
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| 04:48.52 | karsten | keyhack: Alternative: if you don't have too much data: move data elsewhere, reformat, correctly, move data back. |
| 04:48.53 | keyhack | karsten, I dont know, using the FC3 installer back when |
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| 04:49.03 | keyhack | karsten, I dont have the spare space to do that |
| 04:49.07 | Soundzor | karsten, Alright, where should I look or what should I look to to add enlightenment to the GDM menu? |
| 04:49.09 | karsten | keyhack: Kernel version probably matters. |
| 04:49.22 | keyhack | karsten, nor would I be able to read it anyways, I can't read the data |
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| 04:49.40 | srid | karsten, all editors suck! |
| 04:49.42 | paster | "N00b2Debian" at 68.13.123.108 pasted "error log file deboostrap return value 1 on core packages" (121 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/350 |
| 04:49.48 | LeBear | I'm now running spamassassin 3 :) |
| 04:49.50 | bob2 | gravity: logged out, sadly |
| 04:49.56 | srid | karsten, plz tell me one lightweight editor/viewer with syntax highlighting |
| 04:49.58 | bob2 | LeBear: how's the memory usage? |
| 04:50.06 | keyhack | karsten, apparently FC3 uses some unsupported FS features that no other distro can read, how great is that? Sounds like a M$ move |
| 04:50.18 | bob2 | gravity: (sorry about that :/) |
| 04:50.26 | stouset | keyhack: that sounds fishy to me; that's more than likely not the case |
| 04:50.27 | gravity | bob2: What? |
| 04:50.28 | LeBear | bob2: looks like about 18meg. |
| 04:50.31 | bob2 | keyhack: I really really doubt that |
| 04:50.40 | keyhack | thats what I read on Google, first link |
| 04:50.41 | bob2 | gravity: branden |
| 04:50.46 | bob2 | keyhack: url? |
| 04:50.47 | stouset | keyhack: link? |
| 04:50.52 | bob2 | I'm almost certain that's not true |
| 04:51.04 | keyhack | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29706 |
| 04:51.05 | mwilson | srid: vim |
| 04:51.09 | karsten | Soundzor: Sec. |
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| 04:51.22 | srid | mwilson, vim is taking 5 secs startup time |
| 04:51.28 | mwilson | srid: So? |
| 04:51.31 | srid | sri@infinity:~/contrib/twisted/twisted/web $ ls /usr/share/vim/vim63/ |
| 04:51.32 | srid | bugreport.vim filetype.vim indent.vim mswin.vim syntax |
| 04:51.32 | srid | colors ftoff.vim indoff.vim optwin.vim tools |
| 04:51.32 | srid | compiler ftplugin keymap plugin tutor |
| 04:51.32 | srid | delmenu.vim ftplugin.vim lang print vimrc_example.vim |
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| 04:51.39 | keyhack | "Fedora Core 3 added some unofficial patches which means that that filesystems formatted using FC3's e2fsprogs are incompatible with earlier distributions" |
| 04:51.41 | karsten | srid: seriously, vim's among the better. Google 'linux editor "syntax highlighting"' and see what comes up. Or (and I'm serious) try emacs with emacserver. |
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| 04:51.46 | gravity | bob2: No, that was all me. 100% stupidity |
| 04:51.48 | srid | damn! |
| 04:51.55 | karsten | srid: seriously, vim's among the better. Google 'linux editor "syntax highlighting"' and see what comes up. Or (and I'm serious) try emacs with emacserver. |
| 04:51.58 | srid | mwilson, i often use 'vim file.py' .. |
| 04:51.59 | gravity | bob2: That was actually the second time I ran that command, but you don't have to tell him that :-) |
| 04:52.02 | bob2 | keyhack: the important thing to note in there is the use of the word "forum" twice |
| 04:52.09 | karsten | srid: emacsserver speeds emacs startup by connecting to a running server process. |
| 04:52.11 | bob2 | gravity: bwaha, let's call it even then :-p |
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| 04:52.13 | srid | mwilson, I use it like 'less' |
| 04:52.19 | gravity | bob2: Works for me :-) |
| 04:52.19 | keyhack | bob2, well, then how do I fix my partition then? |
| 04:52.20 | srid | mwilson, imaging it takes 5 seconds for less' |
| 04:52.23 | srid | mwilson, imaging it takes 5 seconds for 'less' to startup |
| 04:52.29 | gravity | bob2: I suppose I'd better devote time to learn svn :-p |
| 04:52.33 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:52.35 | keyhack | bob2, I have work tomorrow and I need to get onto my /home partition |
| 04:52.36 | gravity | Fucking A, and I was enjoying arch |
| 04:52.37 | srid | karsten, oh, thanks |
| 04:52.39 | gravity | Even if I wasn't |
| 04:52.39 | karsten | keyhack: You should find out what kernel version FC3 was using and what you're running now. |
| 04:52.47 | mwilson | srid: You type 'view nameoffiletoview' and it takes five seconds to spawn? |
| 04:52.55 | srid | karsten, gnuserv? |
| 04:52.56 | mwilson | srid: Or you're using gview? |
| 04:52.59 | karsten | Soundzor: Um. There's a list of known WMs somewhere... |
| 04:53.00 | keyhack | karsten, too late, I already formatted |
| 04:53.04 | karsten | keyhack: OK. |
| 04:53.10 | N00b2Debian | just makin sure you saw the post karsten? any thoughts? |
| 04:53.23 | srid | mwilson, yes, 5 second for 'view', 'vi', 'gvim' |
| 04:53.28 | keyhack | karsten, I remember there being like a .710 or something |
| 04:53.33 | mwilson | http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 04:53.41 | srid | mwilson, I am sure there are a lot of vim startup scripts |
| 04:53.41 | karsten | Soundzor: Is there an /etc/X11/gdm/ directory? |
| 04:53.44 | srid | mwilson, and I am using icewm |
| 04:53.55 | mwilson | srid: "vim startup scripts"? |
| 04:54.00 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Sorry, missed it. |
| 04:54.08 | srid | mwilson, in /usr/share/vim/vim63/ |
| 04:54.24 | N00b2Debian | should I hit post again? |
| 04:54.28 | keyhack | karsten, kernel-2.6.10-1.770_FC3. 2005-03-03 if I had to take a guess |
| 04:54.34 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Where are you posting? |
| 04:54.44 | mwilson | srid: I'd actually LOOK before making pronouncements like that. |
| 04:54.45 | karsten | keyhack: And what are you running now on Debian? |
| 04:54.45 | N00b2Debian | in here .. with that link you gave me |
| 04:54.47 | keyhack | karsten, and I'm running 2.6.10-4 now |
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| 04:54.55 | karsten | keyhack: Weird. |
| 04:55.03 | keyhack | karsten, I think the guy was right on the forum |
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| 04:55.10 | Soundzor | karsten, yes |
| 04:55.25 | mwilson | srid: You must have an extremely slow machine if it takes 5 sec to launch vim. GVim maybe a little longer, but a console vim? Please. |
| 04:55.26 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Repost please |
| 04:55.27 | srid | mwilson, I pressed 'ctrl+c' any 2nd, 3rd, 4th .. seconds .. and it break out from some nth line in some startup script |
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| 04:55.48 | srid | mwilson, I am tring gnuserv |
| 04:55.52 | bob2 | keyhack: ok, seems to be true, you need to update your ext2fsutils |
| 04:55.53 | N00b2Debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.54 | DocKane | wow i managed to set the time with date, for a newbie like me and a manual reader a nice thing (man date gives no idea how to do that) |
| 04:55.58 | N00b2Debian | there it is |
| 04:56.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Got it. |
| 04:56.09 | sanxiyn | "0M6!! L37Z DR0P 4LL 7H053 U53L35Z 4RCH173C7UR3Z L1K3 4LL 7H3 0N3Z 3XC3P7 P3N71UM 4 L0L!1!" -- Overfiend |
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| 04:56.12 | DocKane | even info date does not |
| 04:56.24 | keyhack | bob2, what is the package name? |
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| 04:56.29 | jeff_ | I just swapped video cards in my system and now X is not starting (as I expected). During the sarge installer it was able to autodetect my video card setup and configure it properly for my old card automatically....what program can I run now to do that for my new card? |
| 04:56.31 | bob2 | keyhack: hrm, kernel, not ext2utils |
| 04:56.41 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Is that the full log? |
| 04:56.45 | keyhack | bob2, what? |
| 04:56.56 | LeBear | fozzie@muppet:~$ time vim -c ":q" |
| 04:56.56 | LeBear | real 0m0.040s |
| 04:57.06 | N00b2Debian | well .. it saved like 6 files but the installer said it saved the error to this file |
| 04:57.09 | LeBear | hehe. doesn't take me 5seconds to launch it. |
| 04:57.13 | N00b2Debian | you want all the files? |
| 04:57.13 | karsten | jeff_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:57.20 | stouset | jeff_, have you made any manual modifications to xfree config? |
| 04:57.34 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Just making sure I've got all of this one. What are the other files? |
| 04:57.35 | jeff_ | i don't think so... |
| 04:57.38 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...and which file is this? |
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| 04:57.46 | N00b2Debian | this file is called messages |
| 04:57.51 | stouset | jeff_: then do what karsten suggested :-) |
| 04:58.00 | keyhack | bob2, I thought I had the latest |
| 04:58.00 | Soundzor | karsten, yes, have /etc/X11/gdm/ looking through it but don't see anything that I need to edit..? |
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| 04:58.36 | karsten | Soundzor: cd /etc/X11/gdm/; grep DisplayManager * |
| 04:58.43 | N00b2Debian | one called package versions .. syslog hardware summary partman .. and messages |
| 04:58.47 | karsten | Soundzor: probably in gdm-config. |
| 04:58.49 | jeff_ | karsten: running that wants me to edit a bunch of stuff manually....it did it all automatically before, I just don't know how (this may have already been sent, but for some reason i just lost my connection so i'm not sure) |
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| 04:59.03 | karsten | Soundzor: Modify that list. Or read the accompanying warning. |
| 04:59.22 | karsten | jeff: It remembers your prior values. Just change the card driver. |
| 04:59.31 | karsten | jeff: Not sure what autoconfs X. |
| 04:59.56 | keyhack | bob2, what should I do? |
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| 05:00.25 | Soundzor | karsten, I have a gdm.conf, but I couldn't find anything in there. That grep returns nothing for me |
| 05:01.03 | jeff_ | karsten: sorry my connection just dropped for some reason....in any case previously it was able to automatically detect all the stuff I had so I didn't have to fill it all the details, now it is making me fill it in. Is there an easy way I can make it fill it in based on my new video card? |
| 05:01.26 | stouset | jeff_: all of the stuff you previously selected should be selected again |
| 05:01.29 | srid | gnuserv is nice |
| 05:01.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK, for some reason awk's not present, and creating a link fails. Which installer are you using? netinst? |
| 05:01.34 | stouset | jeff_: just change the necessary parameters and leave the rest alone |
| 05:01.48 | karsten | jeff_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:01.51 | karsten | jeff: It remembers your prior values. Just change the card driver. |
| 05:01.56 | karsten | jeff: Not sure what autoconfs X. |
| 05:02.04 | N00b2Debian | yes karsten I just downloaded it a few hours ago .. I also used the little utility on the installer that checks the disk .. it said it was ok |
| 05:02.14 | karsten | !tell jeff about set up x |
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| 05:02.26 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. I'm asking in #debian-boot. This is odd. |
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| 05:03.01 | N00b2Debian | it found my dhcp just fine too .. . there were no errors there .. I was so happy for a few mins |
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| 05:03.18 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Looks like a couple of packages didn't download. |
| 05:03.19 | stouset | N00b2Debian: did you grab the rc2 netinst image? Or was it a nightly? |
| 05:03.26 | DFuzzy1 | question: I've set up essid and key for my wap, but ifup wlan0 doesn't seem to implement those changes |
| 05:03.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Where did you download from? What exact installer? |
| 05:03.40 | karsten | stouset: Good call. |
| 05:03.52 | N00b2Debian | I will get you the link .. just sec while i look in my IE history |
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| 05:04.03 | N00b2Debian | i think it was an rc2 netinst |
| 05:04.08 | N00b2Debian | but hang on |
| 05:04.26 | stouset | Compare md5sum against the rc2 if you can. |
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| 05:04.33 | cottus | hello all, Im trying to find gkrellm themes and other rancom packages I cant find in apt. Anyone have any ideas where I can find good apt sources for miscellaneous cool stuff? |
| 05:04.55 | stouset | cottus: google "gkrellm themes debian"? |
| 05:04.55 | cottus | random* |
| 05:05.17 | cottus | stouset> yeah, did that, but I am interested in real human feedback for good sources |
| 05:05.23 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What FS are you using for /usr? |
| 05:05.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'FAT' is not supported for Linux install. |
| 05:06.09 | stouset | cottus: fair enough; most third party packages are done individually though from what I can tell |
| 05:06.18 | N00b2Debian | oh I thought i could have a small area for copying things from my winxp |
| 05:06.24 | stouset | cottus: I haven't seen any "miscellaneous neato random" repositories or anything |
| 05:06.26 | N00b2Debian | it let me select it |
| 05:06.34 | cottus | thanks |
| 05:06.38 | stouset | cottus: just repositories for, say, mplayer on debian, or gaim-vv on debian, etc. |
| 05:06.40 | N00b2Debian | or create it .. ok here is the URL http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:07.01 | N00b2Debian | i downloaded netinst CD Image, with debian base i386 |
| 05:07.10 | keyhack | karsten, frig, I guess it's back to FC3 tomorrow at work |
| 05:07.20 | jeff_ | karsten: thanks. I didn't think I knew all the necessary info, but I managed to get it to work thanks |
| 05:07.20 | karsten | keyhack: OK. |
| 05:07.28 | karsten | N00b2Debian: RC2? |
| 05:07.31 | stouset | keyhack: still having problems with the FC3-formatted /home? |
| 05:07.41 | N00b2Debian | yes |
| 05:07.45 | keyhack | stouset, yeah, I dont know how to go about fixing it |
| 05:07.54 | stouset | N00b2Debian can you compare md5sum against rc2 iso? |
| 05:08.01 | keyhack | I barely got gnome running |
| 05:08.04 | keyhack | everything is missing |
| 05:08.07 | stouset | N00b2Debian: just as a sanity check? |
| 05:08.17 | keyhack | its late at night, I'm running out of patience |
| 05:08.21 | N00b2Debian | yes .. but I didnt see an md5 file .. let me look |
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| 05:08.58 | stouset | keyhack: the bare Debian install is fairly concise, unlike most other distros. It's been Debian's position to only include the absolute bare necessities and the user needs to know what he/she needs. Tasksel helps, but only a little. |
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| 05:09.03 | N00b2Debian | I dont see an md5 for it ..auto downloads when I click .. where do I find the md5 for this file? |
| 05:09.07 | Soundzor | wow, Flux is freaking crazy |
| 05:09.18 | keyhack | stouset, right, I used to use Debian |
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| 05:09.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Which image? Full netinst or businesscard? |
| 05:09.31 | keyhack | stouset, I dont care what FS it is, I need the data on it |
| 05:09.50 | N00b2Debian | netinst cd image, with debian base |
| 05:09.51 | keyhack | stouset, so how do I get Debian to be able to _use_ it? |
| 05:10.01 | N00b2Debian | i386 rc2 |
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| 05:10.15 | stouset | N00b2Debian: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/MD5SUMS |
| 05:10.22 | WE_R_DNA | What are some good channels on linux production |
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| 05:10.28 | WE_R_DNA | in music |
| 05:10.32 | stouset | keyhack: Have you, out of curiosity, done an e2fsck on it? |
| 05:10.43 | keyhack | stouset, no |
| 05:10.45 | WE_R_DNA | let me rephrase that |
| 05:10.45 | stouset | keyhack: That might be able to unwedge it. It could be risky, though. |
| 05:10.59 | risky | Maybe |
| 05:11.02 | stouset | keyhack: I would recommend trying an e2fsck -n /dev/<drive>, and seeing what happens. |
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| 05:11.11 | benjamindees | WE_R_DNA, planet ccrma would be a place to look |
| 05:11.25 | stouset | keyhack: the -n flag will ensure it does a dry run and doesn't touch anything, just so you can get a look. |
| 05:11.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: /md5sum.txt in the root of the install disk includes md5sums of the packages. |
| 05:11.38 | WE_R_DNA | I am looking for a Linux multimedia channel on this server that is populated with people who program and produce music software and synths. |
| 05:12.02 | mwilson | Looking for it doesn't make it exist. |
| 05:12.03 | keyhack | stouset, e2fsck: Filesystem has unsupported feature(s) (/home) |
| 05:12.03 | keyhack | e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck! |
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| 05:12.09 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: /query chanserv <pattern> |
| 05:12.11 | stouset | keyhack: =\ |
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| 05:12.34 | N00b2Debian | md5 matches |
| 05:12.42 | keyhack | stouset, now what. |
| 05:12.44 | keyhack | :-( |
| 05:13.01 | karsten | keyhack: You didn't happen to google that error did you? |
| 05:13.15 | keyhack | karsten, yes, I did |
| 05:13.19 | keyhack | and I got what I pasted earlier |
| 05:13.25 | WE_R_DNA | karsten, how do I look up help on that? |
| 05:13.38 | karsten | keyhack: Is that a compressed FS? |
| 05:13.41 | stouset | keyhack: I looked at the site you pasted, and someone mentioned that e2fsprogs-1.36 should fix the problem. That version appears to be in unstable. |
| 05:13.47 | karsten | keyhack: Do a "tune2fs -l /dev/hdc" and see what features are set. |
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| 05:13.50 | stouset | keyhack: what version of e2fsprogs do you have? |
| 05:13.52 | karsten | keyhack: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-32/1322.html |
| 05:14.01 | keyhack | stouset, how do I tell? |
| 05:14.03 | N00b2Debian | a42bf25af7bde4d9735eb8b91537eac3 |
| 05:14.13 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: /query chanserv help |
| 05:14.16 | N00b2Debian | oops |
| 05:14.24 | karsten | N00b2Debian: That's what I thought ;-) |
| 05:14.36 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...but have you smoked some of that? |
| 05:14.38 | WE_R_DNA | it does nothing karsten |
| 05:14.48 | stouset | keyhack: dpkg --somethingorother e2fsprogs |
| 05:14.51 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: Look at the tab that opened up on your IRC client. |
| 05:14.54 | N00b2Debian | lol sorry .. i meant to paste it again to check twice in the md5 checker |
| 05:15.03 | N00b2Debian | checks out ok |
| 05:15.04 | WE_R_DNA | I see it karsten nothing appears |
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| 05:15.19 | karsten | keyhack: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-32/1383.html |
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| 05:15.31 | keyhack | stouset, Version: 1.35-8ubuntu1 |
| 05:15.54 | stouset | keyhack: dpkg -l | grep e2fsprogs |
| 05:16.06 | stouset | keyhack: erm...ubuntu? Sure you're installing Debian? |
| 05:16.21 | karsten | stouset: I found some Morton posts to LKML addressing this. It's a byte set at an offset, hex edit to fix. |
| 05:16.27 | N00b2Debian | does that mean that possibley the last time it was compiled they forgot to add something? |
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| 05:16.38 | keyhack | stouset, no I'm not installing debian |
| 05:16.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Not likely. RC2's been used by a lot of people |
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| 05:17.00 | stouset | keyhack: out of curiosity...have you asked in #ubuntu? |
| 05:17.09 | Dick_ | Good nigth, please a need help. I no speak english very well, i need a server of Irc in Spenish |
| 05:17.20 | keyhack | stouset, yeah, and no one was answering |
| 05:17.26 | stouset | N00b2Debian: have you tried this install again after the first failure? could have been a fluke? |
| 05:17.36 | keyhack | i figured this was the next best place |
| 05:17.45 | karsten | Dick_: What's your native language? |
| 05:17.48 | karsten | !es |
| 05:17.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:17.50 | keyhack | karsten, I read that, what am I supposed to do with that |
| 05:17.52 | N00b2Debian | i've done it 3 or 4 x now .. I could write zeros to the drive again and try again I spose |
| 05:18.02 | stouset | keyhack: fair enough; well, from what I have heard second-hand, ubuntu packages are currently largely compatible with debian ones. Perhaps try to install the debian e2fsprogs long enough to unwedge the filesystem? |
| 05:18.05 | N00b2Debian | that takes awhile |
| 05:18.09 | stouset | keyhack: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/e2fsprogs |
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| 05:18.17 | Dick_ | Thanks!!!!! |
| 05:18.20 | Dick_ | Gracias |
| 05:18.23 | stouset | Dick_: You're welcome. |
| 05:18.24 | karsten | keyhack: Well, if you're feeling adventurous, fire up a hex editor, point it at your partition, and change offset 0x462 to '0' |
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| 05:19.11 | karsten | keyhack: So: 000460 06 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 b9 d3 6c 59 2d cc 42 13 |
| 05:19.16 | karsten | keyhack: ...would read... |
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| 05:19.25 | karsten | keyhack: 000460 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 b9 d3 6c 59 2d cc 42 13 |
| 05:19.35 | karsten | keyhack: ...mind, I'm glad it's your partition, not mine. |
| 05:19.46 | stouset | karsten: hahaha |
| 05:19.51 | karsten | stouset: ;-) |
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| 05:20.16 | stouset | keyhack: my suggestion about installing the Debian package is probably slightly less likely to make you wish you were hit by a passing meteorite if it doesn't work |
| 05:20.21 | stouset | keyhack: or if you mess it up :-) |
| 05:20.31 | keyhack | stouset, I just installed it, now what? |
| 05:20.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Have I mentioned chroot installs before? |
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| 05:20.45 | N00b2Debian | not to me i dont think |
| 05:20.47 | stouset | keyhack: e2fsck -n /dev/<disk> |
| 05:20.56 | karsten | N00b2Debian: It's an option if you've got a Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, or LNX-BBC disk. And you can be on IRC while running the install. |
| 05:20.56 | N00b2Debian | whats that |
| 05:21.00 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about chroot install |
| 05:21.19 | N00b2Debian | I have knoppix std lol |
| 05:21.21 | keyhack | stouset, hmmmm... its doing something |
| 05:21.22 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I wrote the docs. It's among my preferred installs. It typically works. And you've got a functional environment during the install. |
| 05:21.30 | stouset | keyhack: That's either a good or a bad sign. |
| 05:21.44 | karsten | N00b2Debian: This is also covered in IIRC section 3.7 of the Debian Installation Manual. |
| 05:21.45 | keyhack | stouset, it says something about formatting? |
| 05:21.48 | stouset | karsten: "typically works". That's reassuring :-) |
| 05:21.49 | N00b2Debian | well I wanted to learn how this all works by installing debian |
| 05:21.55 | keyhack | stouset, expunging all files? |
| 05:21.56 | stouset | keyhack: ...copy/paste? |
| 05:22.00 | keyhack | stouset, jk jk |
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| 05:22.04 | keyhack | it worked I guess |
| 05:22.05 | stouset | keyhack: I would recommend jabbing Ctrl+C a few dozen times |
| 05:22.05 | keyhack | let me try to mount |
| 05:22.08 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You're going to learn more than you bargained for ;-) |
| 05:22.18 | karsten | stouset: Well, I've never had it not work... |
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| 05:22.22 | WE_R_DNA | bar-gain-ed |
| 05:22.30 | karsten | stouset: ...but that's just 'coz I haven't given up on those installs yet ;-) |
| 05:22.33 | WE_R_DNA | bar = drunk = gain = education |
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| 05:22.46 | techn9ne | hi, i just installed vsfptd via apt-get how do i start it? |
| 05:22.46 | stouset | karsten: except for that one time when it accidentally formatted your disk, and the disks of all computers within four hundred feet |
| 05:22.46 | keyhack | stouset, hmm, let me reboot I guess |
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| 05:22.53 | techn9ne | i cant find any startup scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 05:22.53 | keyhack | stouset, I still dont have permission to my own home directory |
| 05:22.55 | stouset | keyhack: wait |
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| 05:23.01 | karsten | stouset: that was *INTENTIONAL*. |
| 05:23.07 | WE_R_DNA | bar>drunk>Gain>Education |
| 05:23.07 | stouset | keyhack: rebooting doesn't solve anything; what do you think this is, Windows? :-) |
| 05:23.27 | WE_R_DNA | need those _ under the > |
| 05:23.29 | stouset | techn9ne: just, out of sanity, can you do an ls -la /etc/init.d? |
| 05:23.29 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: If you keep doing that we're going to steal your beer. |
| 05:23.33 | keyhack | stouset, yay, I got in |
| 05:23.43 | stouset | keyhack: woot |
| 05:23.45 | keyhack | stouset, I need to restart X to get gnome fired up _properly_ |
| 05:23.55 | Dick__ | Disculpen de nuevo, primera vez que utilizo Irc, no tengo idea de como cambiarme de sala a la sala Debian-es. Alguien podira ayudarme? |
| 05:23.59 | toresbe | si |
| 05:24.05 | stouset | (00:23:57) keyhack: wait for me, i'll be back to give you a bj |
| 05:24.09 | stouset | Sweet. |
| 05:24.10 | N00b2Debian | so you wrote this bible im about to read eh? |
| 05:24.15 | N00b2Debian | lol |
| 05:24.29 | keyhack | stouset, damn right ;-0 |
| 05:24.31 | benjamindees | techn9ne, it may be handled by inetd |
| 05:24.32 | mwilson | techn9ne: Uh, if you can't even understand how to start up a ftpd, you really have no reason to be running one. |
| 05:24.34 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 05:24.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:24.44 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yes. |
| 05:25.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: The main diff between the TWiki page and the Debian instructions are the Debian manual uses debootstrap. I recommend debootstrap. |
| 05:25.21 | WE_R_DNA | how do I get a list of all the channels ? |
| 05:25.22 | daww | How can I run "apt-get install xchat xpdf xchm" on three lines (one for each program) and just use apt-get install on the first line? |
| 05:25.25 | WW | dpkg: Based on my limited high school spanish, I think he wanted to know how to join #debian-es |
| 05:25.26 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Main diff is: format your system first (If you've already formatted, so much the better). |
| 05:25.32 | dondelelcaro | WE_R_DNA: /list; but that's almost certainly not what you want to do. |
| 05:25.32 | karsten | WE_R_DNA: /query chanserve list . |
| 05:25.44 | stouset | daww: apt-get install xchat \<newline> xpdf \<newline> xchm? |
| 05:25.53 | daww | stouset, thank you! |
| 05:26.01 | jetscreamer | no all one line |
| 05:26.05 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:26.07 | stouset | apt-get install xchat \ |
| 05:26.08 | stouset | xpdf \ |
| 05:26.10 | stouset | xchm |
| 05:26.16 | stouset | In case there was some ambiguity... |
| 05:26.26 | karsten | stouset: Um. The ambiguity was ambiguous. |
| 05:26.35 | karsten | stouset: ...but we're still evaluating that. |
| 05:26.36 | daww | stouset, can I use xpdf \ #comment ? |
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| 05:26.41 | N00b2Debian | well I tried to do the install using mandrake to partition and format too .... but when I noticed sarge would partion it for me I thought .. wth |
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| 05:26.58 | stouset | daww: hell if I know; give it a shot! |
| 05:27.13 | karsten | N00b2Debian: If you're already partitioned, that's fine. If not, partition with 'fdisk' or 'cfdisk' from Knoppix. |
| 05:27.13 | daww | stouset, =) |
| 05:27.33 | DocKane | how do i find out which nic is behind eth1 ? |
| 05:27.35 | stouset | daww: I believe you can't, but there's no harm in trying. IIRC, bash only counts lines as comments if the # is the first character on the line |
| 05:27.36 | WE_R_DNA | what program keeps your computer in synce |
| 05:27.36 | N00b2Debian | you think that will fix this problem? |
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| 05:27.49 | stouset | daww: wait for about 5 seconds, and mwilson or karsten will correct me and have dpkg thwap me |
| 05:28.08 | karsten | DocKane: Unplug a NIC. If eth1 still works, it's the other one. |
| 05:28.12 | stouset | WE_R_DNA: sync? |
| 05:28.14 | karsten | DocKane: After doing this, lable your nics. |
| 05:28.21 | mwilson | stouset: I have no idea what bash does. Not like it's hard to test. |
| 05:28.26 | DocKane | karsten : really no other way |
| 05:28.28 | DocKane | ? |
| 05:28.35 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You should be able to brute force the install. |
| 05:28.43 | N00b2Debian | or should I just not even try sarge to begin with .. I was kinda hopin sarge would do it all since It is going on my second hD i will need a bootloader |
| 05:28.53 | mwilson | rei $ echo test # this is a test |
| 05:28.53 | mwilson | test |
| 05:28.54 | karsten | DocKane: Well, if you've got your MAC addresses memorized, 'ifconfig' will give you those as well. |
| 05:29.01 | N00b2Debian | brute force lol that sounds bad |
| 05:29.02 | mwilson | Seems rather obvious what the behavior is. |
| 05:29.14 | stouset | mwilson: It's incredibly hard to test, man. It involves typing, so I'd have to stop using the mouse. |
| 05:29.29 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Not really. Nice thing about the Debian install and packages is they're all pretty much capable of being manually run / installed. |
| 05:29.31 | mwilson | You IRC with only the mouse? |
| 05:29.36 | stouset | N00b2Debian: if you are, in fact, a noob to Debian, sarge is probably the way to go |
| 05:29.37 | N00b2Debian | how about you hakor into my machine and install debian on my second HD for me .. heee |
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| 05:29.52 | karsten | N00b2Debian: That's a thought. |
| 05:29.57 | stouset | N00b2Debian: what do you think we've been doing for the past hour and a half? Reboot already. |
| 05:30.03 | stouset | N00b2Debian: Kidding, of course. Maybe. |
| 05:30.07 | N00b2Debian | im not |
| 05:30.16 | N00b2Debian | lol |
| 05:30.27 | WE_R_DNA | something like netsetup |
| 05:30.34 | stouset | Haha, that's a thought. |
| 05:30.53 | N00b2Debian | come on you know you want to |
| 05:30.57 | N00b2Debian | who wants it |
| 05:30.57 | WE_R_DNA | it is not the correct name but it is suppost to help keep the clock in sync |
| 05:30.59 | techn9ne | mwilson : well how are ppl supposed to figure things out? just sit there stare at walls? |
| 05:31.06 | stouset | For etch, we need a remote installer that let's other people install Debian remotely onto your machine, hahaha. |
| 05:31.07 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Boot Knoppix already. |
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| 05:31.22 | karsten | techn9ne: by reading and understanding. |
| 05:31.30 | WE_R_DNA | poitning and dclicking |
| 05:31.37 | WE_R_DNA | read read understand |
| 05:31.43 | geekMASTR | I'm looking to create a commercial product that will run on linux... java/sql/etc |
| 05:31.43 | mwilson | techn9ne: Applications have documentation for just this reason. What's your excuse for not reading it? |
| 05:31.44 | WE_R_DNA | more point and click then read and read understand |
| 05:31.50 | karsten | stouset: Haven't you seen the Sophos alerts: W32.ethch.AA |
| 05:31.54 | techn9ne | i cant find debian documentation for vstpd |
| 05:31.58 | techn9ne | the ones provided on the site arent applicabe |
| 05:32.00 | geekMASTR | is debian a good distrib for running on a server ? |
| 05:32.00 | mwilson | You mean you didn't look. |
| 05:32.03 | redduck666 | when i click on a link ( http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/torrent.html?info_hash=9890c7a04d8b335f6b773b02bb48846c936d2947 ) first few times i get connection refused after few tryes i get a blank page ( http://tinypic.com/23t9ok ), but some people on windoze get the page displayed correctlycan anyone tell me what am i doing wrong |
| 05:32.18 | stouset | geekMASTR: /msg dpkg start a distro war |
| 05:32.24 | benjamindees | geekMASTR, yes |
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| 05:32.46 | Jackie | :) |
| 05:32.48 | karsten | geekMASTR: Of course. |
| 05:32.49 | stouset | geekMASTR: long answer, it depends on what you're looking for |
| 05:32.54 | techn9ne | geez. no wonder debian has such a poor reptuation for its community |
| 05:32.55 | N00b2Debian | what if i boot up knoppix youll install it for me karsten? =) |
| 05:33.03 | stouset | geekMASTR: If you want expensive commerical support, probably not. |
| 05:33.05 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'll walk you through it. |
| 05:33.11 | mwilson | techn9ne: For expecting you to be able to think for yourself? |
| 05:33.12 | stouset | geekMASTR: If you want to use it to pick up women at bars, probably not. |
| 05:33.16 | geekMASTR | I'm looking for a stripped down kernel, and fairly decent driver support |
| 05:33.33 | N00b2Debian | how am i going to talk to you in here and boot up knoppix? |
| 05:33.35 | geekMASTR | just a very basic OS, but with really good driver support |
| 05:33.43 | benjamindees | geekMASTR, those requirements are at odds |
| 05:33.47 | geekMASTR | I'm going to fine-tune the rest to meet my needs |
| 05:33.51 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Knoppix has networking and an IRC client. xchat or irssi. |
| 05:33.54 | geekMASTR | no, they aren't at odd |
| 05:33.56 | geekMASTR | odds |
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| 05:34.02 | stouset | geekMASTR: Then any distribution is likely to be the exact same for you. Driver support is based on the kernel, and to strip the kernel down you're going to have to compile it no matter which you choose. |
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| 05:34.04 | N00b2Debian | o |
| 05:34.05 | redduck666 | N00b2Debian, if you want to talk here on knoppix change your username in xchat |
| 05:34.25 | geekMASTR | I'm not real experienced in linux... I'm a C# programmer moving to java for this project |
| 05:34.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Um. Yeah, channel steals voice from 'knooppix' |
| 05:34.28 | mwilson | techn9ne: How *dare* I suggest that you read, huh? |
| 05:34.37 | geekMASTR | so I'm not sure where exactly the drivers are |
| 05:34.44 | mwilson | karsten: Two 'o'? |
| 05:34.45 | geekMASTR | I just know that I'd rather use linux as a server than windows |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | geekMASTR: /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/ |
| 05:34.53 | karsten | mwilson: ?? |
| 05:35.00 | zeeble | heh |
| 05:35.00 | karsten | mwilson: Dooh! |
| 05:35.04 | benjamindees | geekMASTR, as you're probably realizing, they're in the kernel |
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| 05:35.19 | mwilson | ^_^ |
| 05:35.21 | stouset | geekMASTR: If you're absolutely new to Linux, I would recommend setting up a system at home and tinkering around. It is not the kind of thing you are going to pick up in a few hours, and be able to set up a server competently. |
| 05:35.26 | geekMASTR | benjamindees: ok, I'm starting to gather that... does that mean they are distribution independant ? |
| 05:35.33 | renegad3 | geekMASTR, how much experience have you had setting up a Linux server? |
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| 05:35.52 | benjamindees | geekMASTR, various distributions add various amounts of things to all packages, incuding the kernel |
| 05:35.54 | geekMASTR | my experience level in setting up the server isn't important, I'm trying to figure out which linux distrib to go with |
| 05:36.03 | geekMASTR | I know what I want, just not which package to go for yet |
| 05:36.41 | zeeble | geekMASTR: all the distros have the same driver support. |
| 05:36.43 | karsten | geekMASTR: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 05:36.51 | karsten | geekMASTR: ...it's a bit of a draft, but it covers the bases. |
| 05:36.52 | geekMASTR | ugh, I don't need a linux newbie guide |
| 05:37.02 | geekMASTR | I'm just trying to get some information from people that use it |
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| 05:37.10 | karsten | geekMASTR: That's precisely what that is. |
| 05:37.13 | daww | Can I use a shell script where I tell linux to execute a command in the begining of each line? Then I don't need to use apt-get install in this ex; "apt-get -y install xpdf, apt-get -y install xchm" |
| 05:37.17 | techn9ne | mwilson : your arrogant attitude is what im talking about |
| 05:37.20 | karsten | geekMASTR: Scan it. |
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| 05:37.25 | FarrisG | Anyone know what "swapper: page allocation failure" kernel messages could mean? I have a few systems that get these messages occasionally and stop responding to ssh clients |
| 05:37.30 | gravity | YAML the Camel is a Mammal with Enamel |
| 05:37.36 | N00b2Debian | karsten do i need actual knoppix or knoppix std or does it matter at this point? |
| 05:37.37 | gravity | Sorry, just had to get that out there |
| 05:37.39 | techn9ne | mwilson: chill out |
| 05:37.43 | karsten | daww: You can install multiple packages. or if you 've got a bunch in a file, one line at a time: apt-get install $( cat file ) |
| 05:37.44 | stouset | geekMASTR: If this is one of your first Linux installs, which distribution you pick is in many ways irrelevant. The differences aren't as much as people make them out to be sometimes, especially for new people. Only once you've become more familiar with them do the differences start to appear larger. Guinness and Boddingtons are the same to a college kid, but as you drink them more you begin to see the differences. |
| 05:37.48 | N00b2Debian | cuz I dont think i have knoppix and im lookin for that knoppix std |
| 05:37.51 | gravity | techn9ne: /ignore mwilson is generally a wise idea |
| 05:37.52 | mwilson | karsten: You talk to 'navel' with telix? |
| 05:37.56 | bob2 | FarrisG: low on swap/ram? |
| 05:37.57 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Either should work. |
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| 05:38.05 | mwilson | gravity: Yeah, I'm so evil. |
| 05:38.12 | geekMASTR | well anyway, thanks for the help |
| 05:38.13 | geekMASTR | later |
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| 05:38.15 | karsten | mwilson: minicom over PLIP. |
| 05:38.17 | FarrisG | bob2: Low on ram possibly. Swap I don't think so |
| 05:38.25 | gravity | mwilson: Well, if he's pissed off at you, I'd rather he just put you on /ignore so we can all get on with our lives |
| 05:38.29 | mwilson | Ah, hence the resemblance to telix. |
| 05:38.31 | N00b2Debian | nother question .. i've never used this cd .. so umm . how do I initiate xchat? |
| 05:38.47 | N00b2Debian | or is this some sneaky way of getting rid of me .. LOL |
| 05:38.50 | mwilson | gravity: He doesn't like that I suggested he read the vsftpd documentation. |
| 05:38.59 | daww | karsten, $( cat file ) ? |
| 05:39.05 | gravity | mwilson: Hey, I'm not saying you're in the wrong, I'd just rather calm him down |
| 05:39.10 | bob2 | mwilson: which you no doubt did in the most pollite possible manner |
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| 05:39.28 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Boot it. It starts an X session. Check that networking is up (it tries DHCP automatically). The default environment is KDE. xchat's in the start menu, or <F2> 'xchat' |
| 05:39.33 | stouset | techn9ne: There's a difference between being arrogant and curt. You'll find that a lot of people helping out in IRC are curt, since they've heard many of the same questions and problems hundreds of times before. It becomes worse when people don't even seem to have an interest in learning for themselves, but just want to leech off the community. |
| 05:39.35 | karsten | daww: man bash |
| 05:39.41 | mwilson | karsten: Even with all the stuff in the second sshot, I can tell it's wmaker. :) |
| 05:39.51 | N00b2Debian | ok .. here i go |
| 05:39.56 | karsten | daww: '$( <command> )' returns output of command as arguments to the shell. |
| 05:40.00 | karsten | mwilson: ;-) |
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| 05:40.06 | FarrisG | I also get "simv: page allocate failure" and of course some enormous call traces |
| 05:40.14 | karsten | mwilson: Can you identify the apps? Find the DOS one? |
| 05:40.14 | FarrisG | Haven't dug too deep into those yet |
| 05:40.22 | mwilson | karsten: It's too small. |
| 05:40.27 | karsten | mwilson: ...and it took about 45 minutes to get that screenshot set up. |
| 05:40.41 | karsten | mwilson: Top half, just right of center IIRC... |
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| 05:41.09 | stouset | techn9ne: I would rather answer the same, easy question a thousand times if the people I'm responding to show me that they can infer things on their own, do some research, and persist with the problem without needing their hand held. On the other hand, I wouldn't spend five seconds linking someone to a howto I wrote on the exact topic they're wondering about if they want everything spelled out for them because they're unwilling to do som |
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| 05:41.21 | poisoned1 | dude |
| 05:41.33 | poisoned1 | I am going crazy trying to install the nvidia drivers |
| 05:41.40 | mwilson | above minicom, to the left of xmms? |
| 05:41.46 | karsten | mwilson: Obscured by the navel minicom session, xmms, and GAIM. |
| 05:41.46 | poisoned1 | Can someone please help |
| 05:41.56 | kc | what's your problem? |
| 05:42.04 | mwilson | What is it? It just looks like an xterm. |
| 05:42.13 | poisoned1 | it needs the src tree it says |
| 05:42.19 | poisoned1 | how do I get it? |
| 05:42.21 | mwilson | Ah, "DOS in a Box" |
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| 05:42.24 | karsten | poisoned1: You need kernel headers. |
| 05:42.29 | karsten | mwilson: Yep. What's the app? |
| 05:42.29 | poisoned1 | how man |
| 05:42.34 | karsten | mwilson: ...this is a test of your years.... |
| 05:42.44 | zeeble | poisoned1: apt-cache search kernel headers |
| 05:42.45 | redduck666 | poisoned1, you do know you can use nv drivers? |
| 05:42.54 | mwilson | I can't read it. It's a test of my eyes. :) |
| 05:43.08 | poisoned1 | I tried that and xfree86 says "no screens found" |
| 05:43.15 | kc | ok |
| 05:43.20 | poisoned1 | plus I wanna play quake on it |
| 05:43.31 | mwilson | What is it? |
| 05:43.36 | kc | poisoned1: can you build the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:43.49 | karsten | mwilson: Give this a couple minutes: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/WM-WholePicture.png |
| 05:44.00 | poisoned1 | I dont know. This is my first time with debian |
| 05:44.06 | redduck666 | poisoned1, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:44.07 | poisoned1 | I have always used freebsd |
| 05:44.16 | kc | poisoned1: ok what is the name of the file you obtained from nvidia? |
| 05:44.39 | caliber | man I just nailed staples on their 150% pricematch guarantee SO HARD |
| 05:44.50 | mwilson | 'k |
| 05:45.04 | karsten | mwilson: 46% stalled.... |
| 05:45.31 | stouset | karsten: how many hours a day do you do this, roughly? |
| 05:45.35 | poisoned1 | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run |
| 05:45.45 | stouset | karsten: I see you on the debian-users list all the time. |
| 05:45.47 | zeeble | heh, good question, stouset |
| 05:46.12 | mwilson | karsten: How big IS this image? |
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| 05:46.18 | kc | poisoned1: what do you have in /usr/src/ ? |
| 05:46.19 | karsten | stouset: Too many. |
| 05:46.27 | karsten | mwilson: 1280x960 |
| 05:46.30 | stouset | karsten: how do you get anything done? |
| 05:46.31 | mwilson | file size |
| 05:46.37 | karsten | stouset: Good question. |
| 05:46.46 | stouset | karsten: or is this your job? :-) |
| 05:46.48 | karsten | mwilson: 550 MB |
| 05:46.55 | karsten | stouset: Good question ;-) |
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| 05:47.03 | karsten | mwilson: s/MB/KB/ |
| 05:47.18 | stouset | karsten: What's a bad question, to you? |
| 05:47.25 | karsten | stouset: Good question. |
| 05:47.27 | stouset | I hate you. |
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| 05:47.38 | mwilson | AUGH! |
| 05:47.38 | karsten | stouset: Bad question. |
| 05:47.39 | stouset | I knew the answer before I even hit enter :-( |
| 05:47.48 | karsten | mwilson: ?? |
| 05:47.56 | kc | poisoned1: I have NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run running on linux-2.6.4 and it works fine with a few tweaks |
| 05:48.01 | mwilson | It's the EVIL ONE! |
| 05:48.09 | stouset | Speaking of bad questions, "There are no such things as stupid questions. But I'll be damned if there aren't a lot of inquisitive idiots." |
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| 05:48.20 | kc | poisoned1: later kernels dont work with that nvidia driver |
| 05:48.38 | mwilson | Tell me it's at least 5.x? |
| 05:49.10 | karsten | mwilson: WP 5.1 |
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| 05:49.18 | mwilson | Ok, you're forgiven. |
| 05:49.36 | mwilson | Why a modern gnumeric but an old gimp? |
| 05:49.44 | karsten | mwilson: Running it now.... |
| 05:49.44 | kc | Can anyone point me to the name of a program that can manage, and do advanced memory clearing? |
| 05:49.51 | karsten | mwilson: I made the shot about a year ago. |
| 05:49.55 | karsten | kc: OOM |
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| 05:50.06 | karsten | kc: Also quotas, sort of. |
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| 05:50.18 | cleancut | Does anyone know why archive.debian.org isn't responding? I've contacted above.net's NOC and they've confirmed that their routing tables are AOK. |
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| 05:52.50 | poisoned1 | ahhh |
| 05:53.01 | poisoned1 | I keep getting shit like this: E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:53.18 | benjamindees | would anyone like to comment on this distro comparison: http://www.deesconsulting.com/distros.txt |
| 05:53.22 | karsten | mwilson: The really scary thing is that I used to know this program inside and out. Hardly know it any more. |
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| 05:54.31 | kc | poisoned1: how did you get this package again? |
| 05:54.34 | kc | poisoned1: did you apt-get it ? |
| 05:54.36 | nvz | benjamindees: go server a poll on the web or something, start a blog, or a message board.. use an existing open message board... something |
| 05:54.39 | karsten | benjamindees: See you and raise you: file:///home/karsten/Projects/Websites/kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/index.html |
| 05:54.55 | nvz | karsten: nice URL :P |
| 05:54.59 | poisoned1 | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:55.06 | poisoned1 | i was following this guide |
| 05:55.10 | stouset | karsten: that file isn't on my hard drive :-( |
| 05:55.16 | karsten | nvz: Crap! |
| 05:55.17 | poisoned1 | buy yeah apt-get |
| 05:55.29 | karsten | benjamindees: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 05:55.38 | karsten | nvz: ...but it Works For Me[tm]! |
| 05:55.39 | daww | Can I replace a specific text line in a file, and if how? ex: replace "repeat="0" to "repeat="1" in settings.conf |
| 05:55.40 | kc | poisoned1: go to the nvidia website and download the driver from them |
| 05:55.46 | nvz | karsten: yeah, and only you. |
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| 05:55.55 | stouset | daww: check up on sed |
| 05:55.56 | srid | oh, no color.el for emacs in Ubuntu package?? |
| 05:55.59 | poisoned1 | I did that but how do I get my kernel headers |
| 05:56.02 | karsten | nvz: It's my Own Private Idaho^WInterWeb. |
| 05:56.04 | johnnyST | with the new release policy is security uppdates going to be much shorter time for stable relases? |
| 05:56.13 | kc | poisoned1: ha? |
| 05:56.18 | stouset | daww: cat settings.conf | sed -e "s/repeat=0/repeat=1/g" > settings.conf.new |
| 05:56.25 | nvz | whatever that means (8 |
| 05:56.28 | poisoned1 | uname -r produces this: 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:56.30 | kc | poisoned1: if you have the kernel source in /usr/src/linux.... |
| 05:56.33 | bob2 | johnnyST: that hasn't been decided |
| 05:56.42 | kc | poisoned1: you should update your kernel first |
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| 05:56.46 | poisoned1 | kc i don't have that |
| 05:56.57 | karsten | n00b2Debian: you around? |
| 05:57.08 | daww | stouset, nice =) |
| 05:57.16 | johnnyST | bob2, I hope not becouse it was the reson I use debian. |
| 05:57.20 | stouset | daww: sed is sexy, but it is likely to drive you insane |
| 05:57.27 | kc | poisoned1: do wget -c kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.4.tar.gz |
| 05:57.36 | karsten | benjamindees: Is User Linux even released yet? |
| 05:57.36 | bob2 | benjamindees: ubuntu isn't desktop-focused, and it you can get kde on it |
| 05:57.44 | kc | and then place that file in the /usr/src/ folder |
| 05:57.46 | stouset | daww: infinitely useful though, especially for search/replace or moving contents of lines around |
| 05:57.46 | bob2 | benjamindees: kde is even supported in the next release (out in 3 weeks) |
| 05:57.57 | gravity | Wait... I thought hoary was out |
| 05:58.04 | doleyb | bob2: What do you think ubuntu is focused, if not desktop? |
| 05:58.09 | gravity | What's up with Jorge parading it around planet ars? |
| 05:58.11 | karsten | benjamindees: ...and I think you're missing the enterprise/corp vs. SOHO / tech user division of distros, FYI. Read my bit, I try to summarize distros a bit. |
| 05:58.20 | kc | poisoned1: that is a kernel that works and it's pretty stable 2 |
| 05:58.24 | benjamindees | karsten, heh, I was going to put "frequent releases" for User Linux but I don't think so :) |
| 05:58.26 | karsten | bob2: Um. It isn't? what is it then? |
| 05:58.26 | bob2 | gravity: preview came out last week |
| 05:58.30 | gravity | bob2: Ah, so that's it |
| 05:58.38 | bob2 | doleyb: karsten it makes an excellent server, too |
| 05:58.38 | gravity | bob2: People were acting like it's out |
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| 05:58.49 | benjamindees | bob2, ah, didn't know that about ubuntu/kde, thanks |
| 05:58.54 | bob2 | doleyb: I think it's focussed on being debian but with better support and a more timely release cycle |
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| 05:58.58 | kc | poisoned1: you downloading it? |
| 05:59.06 | karsten | bob2: It's definitely desktop focussed though. |
| 05:59.15 | bob2 | karsten: how so? |
| 05:59.22 | bob2 | karsten: I run it on my server quite happily |
| 05:59.25 | benjamindees | karsten, I noticed you mention that, though I think it's largely irrelevant |
| 05:59.37 | karsten | bob2: Um. GNOME... Polish. Yes, there's a server install seed. |
| 05:59.41 | poisoned1 | at 850k baby! |
| 05:59.50 | karsten | bob2: What's teh trick for KDE BTW? |
| 05:59.52 | kc | poisoned1: cool! |
| 06:00.03 | bob2 | karsten: redhat installs a gui by default, does that make it a desktop-oriented OS? |
| 06:00.12 | kc | poisoned1: you must be on a 10mgbit connection ;)? |
| 06:00.14 | poisoned1 | i love this cable connection |
| 06:00.19 | bob2 | karsten: it certainly is an excellent desktop OS, but I think it's a pretty good server one, too |
| 06:00.19 | stouset | No, it makes it bloated. Get with the terminology. |
| 06:00.21 | doleyb | benjamindees: The question at the end about embedded market is weird. Of course there are Linuxes meant for embedded, but they're not on that list. |
| 06:00.22 | stouset | :-) |
| 06:00.26 | ThomasAH | Hi! I always did so, but is it the correct way to install package 'ntp-server' and 'ntp-simple' only to keep the local clock in sync for machines which seldom get rebooted? |
| 06:00.31 | poisoned1 | it goes about 7.3 |
| 06:00.48 | bob2 | karsten: kde in warty is just in the unsupported "universe" section. in hoary, you install the kubuntu-desktop package and it pulls it in(from the supported section), aiui |
| 06:00.52 | kc | poisoned1: mine goes upto 5 only |
| 06:00.57 | karsten | bob2: RH doesh't give a rat's ass about making the desktop useable. Ubuntu puts significant effort into same. Marketing effort is largely aimed at desktop small/home office. |
| 06:01.04 | bob2 | ThomasAH: that sounds fine. I quite like chrony, too. |
| 06:01.05 | poisoned1 | 5 aint bad man |
| 06:01.10 | benjamindees | doleyb, yeah, that was just what I was thinking as I was writing it |
| 06:01.16 | karsten | bob2: RH have pretty much actively avoided desktop market. |
| 06:01.17 | poisoned1 | But go to dslreports.com to find out for sure |
| 06:01.21 | bob2 | benjamindees: there's emdebian. |
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| 06:01.25 | bob2 | (for embedded stuff) |
| 06:01.27 | kc | poisoned1: fiber isn't bad, 5 is at home only |
| 06:01.31 | poisoned1 | OK I got it |
| 06:01.39 | poisoned1 | uncompress |
| 06:01.41 | bob2 | karsten: hm, the marketing thing is unfortunate |
| 06:01.56 | karsten | bob2: WRT universe, etc. I haven't worked out that bit yet. |
| 06:01.56 | kc | poisoned1: aga uncompress it into /usr/src |
| 06:02.05 | doleyb | benjamindees: and you can still download redhat for free if you want (but that'd be silly, because fedora is better) |
| 06:02.06 | karsten | bob2: Whose? RH's or Ubuntu's? |
| 06:02.09 | daww | stouset, "cat x | sed -e "s/repeat=0/repeat=1/g" > x.new" didn't replace 0 with 1 |
| 06:02.15 | ThomasAH | bob2: thanks for the tip. Maybe I switch to chrony |
| 06:02.25 | N00b2Debian | ok well ... knoppix std doesnt see my nic card |
| 06:02.31 | stouset | daww: interesting |
| 06:02.34 | N00b2Debian | or .. built on nic |
| 06:02.36 | poisoned1 | done |
| 06:02.36 | daww | stouset, Is this correct |
| 06:02.38 | stouset | daww: give me a sec, it's entirely possible I mistyped it |
| 06:02.38 | kc | poisoned1: go inside linux-2.6.4/ |
| 06:02.40 | bob2 | karsten: universe = seperate section in the archive for Free, but unsupported stuff. there's a group of volunteers looking after those packages for hoary. |
| 06:02.42 | zeeble | i installed Ubuntu yesterday, and it did'nt find my every so old SiS 630 chipset network card. Though GUI worked beautifully. |
| 06:02.43 | karsten | benjamindees: The reason I focus on the enterprise/SOHO thing is I've seen several companies burned badly by RH's 7-9 => AS => REHL/FC transition. |
| 06:02.44 | benjamindees | bob2, mostly I have no idea about embedded Linux, which is why I posed that question |
| 06:02.46 | bob2 | karsten: Ubuntu's. |
| 06:02.53 | kc | poisoned1: make menuconfig |
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| 06:03.14 | poisoned1 | K |
| 06:03.19 | poisoned1 | Done that before |
| 06:03.20 | poisoned1 | brb |
| 06:03.21 | kc | poisoned1: then choose your drivers and other cool stuff use lspci -v to help you know the chip specs |
| 06:03.21 | Panzerboy | morning |
| 06:03.26 | stouset | daww: it seemed to work for me... |
| 06:03.27 | N00b2Debian | so .. if you give me a link to download the regular knoppix maybe It can find it |
| 06:03.28 | bob2 | gravity: waaaaaaaaaay easier than NM :) |
| 06:03.28 | benjamindees | karsten, sure, it's an important distinction in for-pay software |
| 06:03.30 | karsten | benjamindees: ...and it gets at the issue of Policy and the Debian Social Contract. You're buying into a social structure as much as a technical one. |
| 06:03.35 | gravity | bob2: So I've been told :-) |
| 06:03.36 | doleyb | benjamindees: Some people call PDA linux embedded. You can buy a zaurus for $99 and poke with linux on it. |
| 06:03.45 | stouset | daww: join #flood |
| 06:03.47 | karsten | benjamindees: Um. It has a pretty strong impact on what you pay, how much, and how often. |
| 06:03.50 | gravity | bob2: I still don't run ubuntu though, so it's hard to justify. I would like the spiffy title though ;-) |
| 06:03.57 | karsten | gravity: Yeah, yeah. |
| 06:03.58 | kc | doleyb: where ? |
| 06:03.59 | daww | stouset, I will just be extreamly glad if this will work, I have the repeat on some line down |
| 06:04.00 | daww | ok |
| 06:04.07 | bob2 | hah, right |
| 06:04.11 | cottus | zaurus for 99$? where? |
| 06:04.26 | poisoned1 | shit! |
| 06:04.29 | poisoned1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.47 | kc | poisoned1: do apt-get install make libncurses5-dev gcc |
| 06:04.48 | zeeble | poisoned1: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:04.56 | benjamindees | karsten, my point is that it's an artificial, marketing concept; not quite as important in Free Software |
| 06:04.59 | karsten | benjamindees: The intersection of commercial distro and user interest is a tough one to navigate. RH burned a lot of goodwill (and customers). |
| 06:05.00 | kc | poisoned1: that should solve your problem |
| 06:05.03 | doleyb | kc: Zaurus for $99? There's one on ebay for $99.98 right now. An older one, of course. |
| 06:05.10 | karsten | benjamindees: You're wrong, you'll realize it eventually. |
| 06:05.15 | DocKane | i was used from a previous debain installation that pulling the lan cable causes the system to drop a line lile "link down ....." or somethin like this. how do i enable this ? |
| 06:05.16 | kc | doleyb: still in auction? |
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| 06:05.30 | poisoned1 | worked im in menu |
| 06:05.31 | Biovore | ok |
| 06:05.31 | poisoned1 | brb |
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| 06:05.37 | ThomasAH | bob2: hm, chrony alone is larger than ntpdate+ntp-server+ntp-simple ... |
| 06:05.40 | karsten | DocKane: Output to console? That's part of ksyslogd config. |
| 06:05.44 | doleyb | kc: There are several, one has 2 days left, the others I didnt read. |
| 06:05.51 | kc | doleyb: price goes up |
| 06:05.53 | DocKane | karsten : yes |
| 06:06.00 | kc | doleyb: still good deal though.. |
| 06:06.00 | N00b2Debian | karsten im lookin for regular knoppix now i'll dl and burn disc real fast |
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| 06:06.16 | karsten | benjamindees: For software in general, marketing and business needs are at conflict w/ user interests. It's a weird world. |
| 06:06.22 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What happend w/ Knoppix STD? |
| 06:06.29 | pureone | knoppix 3.8 is out :O |
| 06:06.29 | N00b2Debian | it doesnt see my nic |
| 06:06.43 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Ah. Got it. |
| 06:06.48 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's your NIC? |
| 06:06.48 | N00b2Debian | im like wtf wtf |
| 06:06.52 | karsten | Heh. |
| 06:06.57 | karsten | I was wondering where you got to. |
| 06:06.59 | N00b2Debian | finally realizd i couldnt get on line at all |
| 06:07.17 | benjamindees | karsten, that is my experience |
| 06:07.21 | N00b2Debian | im not giving up this time |
| 06:07.27 | doleyb | kc: I have a zaurus like that, I hate it because of battery life, and would almost sell for $60. (But will keep, just to play with) |
| 06:07.28 | N00b2Debian | im going to have a friggin copy of linux |
| 06:07.46 | kc | doleyb: hehe |
| 06:07.48 | karsten | DocKane: Basically, kernel throws an exception or the error output is logged. You can set messagelevels in your syslog conf. I redirect that stuff *away* from console, myself. |
| 06:07.53 | kc | doleyb: almost** |
| 06:08.04 | benjamindees | karsten, but it's easier to know whether you're getting "enterprise" software or just marketing bullshit if you have the source at hand :) |
| 06:08.21 | kc | doleyb: i decided to stick to ipaq and build my own kernel on it |
| 06:08.25 | poisoned1 | KC: do you recomend any settings while I am here |
| 06:08.40 | poisoned1 | Note: duel proc athlon MP with ultra 320 :) |
| 06:08.42 | doleyb | kc: ipaq is a lot nicer unless you want keyboard. |
| 06:08.48 | DocKane | karsten: only syslogd is running, does that make a difference to the aviability of the mentioned function ? |
| 06:08.51 | benjamindees | karsten, and it's easier to know when "home/SOHO" versions have been crippled |
| 06:08.55 | kc | poisoned1: yikes |
| 06:09.03 | poisoned1 | yeah man |
| 06:09.06 | kc | poisoned1: in that case select 64bit support |
| 06:09.12 | poisoned1 | this was my freebsd box till today |
| 06:09.19 | kc | poisoned1: that is fast |
| 06:09.24 | karsten | benjamindees: The enterprise distinction _also_ comes in at the ISV level. Oracle, SAP, and SAS support RH (and often specific kernels). IBM is joined at the hip to Novell/Suse for zSeries Linux support. |
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| 06:09.29 | poisoned1 | not athlon64 |
| 06:09.33 | poisoned1 | athlon mp |
| 06:09.59 | karsten | benjamindees: ...if your enterprise relies on that stuff, it's going to matter to you. Your support contracts are tied to it. _That_ level of enterprise support somewhat transcends marketing, per se. It's aobut business relationships. |
| 06:09.59 | benjamindees | karsten, good point, and you're right I've ignored that |
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| 06:10.03 | N00b2Debian | where do i get knoppix 3.8 .. i dont see it on this ftp list |
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| 06:10.19 | WE_R_DNA | how do you access the locales to config them? |
| 06:10.21 | kc | poisoned1: ohh .. didn't catch you there |
| 06:10.23 | karsten | benjamindees: Agreed that _most_ of the marketing crud is just that. I've run SAS on Debian. SAS won't support it (last I checked). |
| 06:10.36 | karsten | benjamindees: Yes, as I said, you'd realize I'm right, eventually ;-) |
| 06:10.49 | kc | poisoned1: make sure to select network card and dont select any nvidia drivers there or anything close |
| 06:11.33 | kc | poisoned1: select agp support |
| 06:11.37 | karsten | benjamindees: *Most* small/mid-sized companies overstate their reliance on "enterprise" crud. IMO: if you need RH for Oracle, buy a goddamned box, toss RH on it, an roll out Oracle. But don't let it cripple the rest of your decisions. |
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| 06:11.47 | benjamindees | karsten, but I've seen as many vendors support Debian and not RH/SuSe as those that support the so called "commercial" distros, so it's not cut and dry |
| 06:11.53 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 3.8 isn't required. Relatively recent is sufficient. |
| 06:11.58 | kc | poisoned1: select direct rendering manager |
| 06:12.13 | karsten | benjamindees: Sure. It varies. RH _tends_ to get the big boys though. Suse runs a close second. |
| 06:12.15 | N00b2Debian | ahg ... whose got the big pipes ... lol |
| 06:12.15 | kc | poisoned1: select loadable module support |
| 06:12.21 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: what NIC card are you trying to use ? |
| 06:12.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: If you can find a torrent, do it. |
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| 06:13.03 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Otherwise, LNX-BBC works and I think it's got irssi (text chat). |
| 06:13.16 | N00b2Debian | azurues takes too long to load .. got too many i'm feeding |
| 06:13.35 | karsten | N00b2Debian: azurues? |
| 06:13.41 | N00b2Debian | azureus |
| 06:13.43 | zeeble | azureus. a BT client. java. |
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| 06:13.47 | stouset | azureus |
| 06:13.49 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ |
| 06:14.21 | karsten | ah |
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| 06:14.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/download.html |
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| 06:14.45 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/images/bbc-2.1.iso.torrent |
| 06:15.09 | zeeble | what kernel does that linux BBC version use? |
| 06:15.17 | kc | poisoned1: are you building? |
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| 06:15.42 | FarrisG | Any IT managers here know of a good request tracking package? |
| 06:15.53 | WE_R_DNA | What ist eh command to config the locales? |
| 06:16.07 | karsten | zeeble: Trying to find out. Prolly 2.4.x I don't see a package list. |
| 06:16.43 | zeeble | karsten: yeah, its 2003. so 2.4.x |
| 06:16.48 | zeeble | that's fair enough. |
| 06:16.49 | poisoned1 | I think im good now man |
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| 06:17.11 | kc | poisoned1: it works? |
| 06:17.26 | raf256 | off-topic, what is popular USA/english familly name? Like "John Doe"...? |
| 06:17.27 | poisoned1 | No I just got done with menuconfig |
| 06:17.34 | poisoned1 | :( |
| 06:17.52 | kc | poisoned1: make modules_install && make install |
| 06:17.55 | zeeble | Jim Bob. |
| 06:18.00 | benjamindees | raf256, Jones, Smith, Brown |
| 06:18.23 | N00b2Debian | egads I dont have any more cd's over 700mb ... this sux |
| 06:18.57 | kc | poisoned1: do you run grub or lilo? |
| 06:19.10 | karsten | raf256: http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/freqnames.html |
| 06:19.18 | N00b2Debian | karsten I guess i'm going to have to go to compusa tomorrow and get some higher capacity disks to get knoppix |
| 06:19.24 | arango | My system has both a soundcard and a USB headset. How do I tell xmms which one to use ? |
| 06:19.25 | zeeble | heck, linux bbc's also releasing nightly builds. :/ |
| 06:19.30 | poisoned1 | lilo |
| 06:19.41 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: what NIC card are you trying to use ? |
| 06:19.57 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. Requires 700 MB. |
| 06:20.05 | poisoned1 | I should be sitting at the machine |
| 06:20.06 | N00b2Debian | its the one built onto this crappy dell hang on i'll tell ya |
| 06:20.10 | karsten | N00b2Debian: LNX-BBC is ~50 MB. Strongly recommended. |
| 06:20.11 | poisoned1 | Im sshed |
| 06:20.17 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: is it a laptop? |
| 06:20.22 | N00b2Debian | no |
| 06:20.23 | kc | poisoned1: no you can do it through ssh |
| 06:20.31 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: a broadcom 4400? |
| 06:20.33 | foureyes779 | lsmod or lspci should tell ya what it is |
| 06:20.35 | N00b2Debian | yes |
| 06:20.38 | kc | poisoned1: you edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 06:20.39 | poisoned1 | k |
| 06:21.00 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: that should work fine with kernels 2.4.19 and later. |
| 06:21.08 | poisoned1 | it's still making |
| 06:21.13 | benjamindees | zeeble, doesn't for me :( |
| 06:21.20 | kc | poisoned1: i c |
| 06:21.29 | jm_ | arango: in the preferences obviously |
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| 06:21.40 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...and lnx-bbc includes irssi (console chat) |
| 06:21.49 | N00b2Debian | ok im getting lnx now |
| 06:21.52 | poisoned1 | I usually use freebsd for my servers |
| 06:22.07 | poisoned1 | But quake3 server is not made for it |
| 06:22.11 | zeeble | lnx-bbc wont have drivers for his broadcom 4400 |
| 06:22.12 | foureyes779 | he's downloading a LIVE-CD so he can ????? |
| 06:22.19 | arango | jm_: I looked there but I don't see anything about selecting a device |
| 06:22.31 | poisoned1 | So far debian is way better then gentoo |
| 06:22.33 | jm_ | arango: configure your Output plugin |
| 06:22.38 | kc | poisoned1: freebsd is great used to like it when linux didn't have proper network load balancing |
| 06:22.52 | zeeble | benjamindees: eh? i had the same NIC, and used to do get sarge iso 1, install to hdd, compile the driver and insmod. but all that changed after 2.4.19. |
| 06:22.57 | stouset | poisoned1: So far? |
| 06:23.02 | poisoned1 | It's what i rn on my web server |
| 06:23.19 | poisoned1 | NIC load balancing is the shit |
| 06:23.24 | poisoned1 | It's like NIC RAID |
| 06:23.31 | arango | jm_: Ok I see it for the Alsa plugin, but I am using arts. |
| 06:23.40 | N00b2Debian | karsten you realize i dont know what irssi console chat is ... i presume its an irc client? |
| 06:23.44 | kc | poisoned1: now linux caught up with those tools, yet I prefer to run loadbalancing on the actual router. |
| 06:23.46 | jm_ | arango: are you running KDE? |
| 06:23.50 | benjamindees | zeeble, which driver are you using? b44.o ? |
| 06:23.57 | poisoned1 | agreed\ |
| 06:24.06 | arango | jm_: yes |
| 06:24.09 | karsten | N00b2Debian: It's a console-mode IRC client. I'm running it now. |
| 06:24.16 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...and much of this channel is as well. |
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| 06:24.23 | benjamindees | poisoned1, what do you like about Debian/ don't like about Gentoo? |
| 06:24.30 | jm_ | arango: then check its control center |
| 06:24.30 | N00b2Debian | ok im going to minimize these windows while I burn |
| 06:24.34 | karsten | benjamindees: Rice! |
| 06:24.35 | kc | karsten: u use ircII? |
| 06:24.43 | roamm | hey all! Can someone tell me if it is possible to route 1 ip through a gateway using route, instead of just a network? |
| 06:24.47 | arango | jm_: thanks |
| 06:24.49 | karsten | !tell kc about u |
| 06:24.55 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: what is the point of all the live-cd's ? |
| 06:25.03 | karsten | roamm: ENOSENSE |
| 06:25.14 | roamm | karsten: ?? |
| 06:25.15 | zeeble | benjamindees: bcm4400 in 2.4.x and b44 in 2.6.x |
| 06:25.37 | poisoned1 | hey KC. it's asking me "Should I run /sbin/lilo? (y/n)" |
| 06:25.42 | poisoned1 | I figure yes right? |
| 06:25.43 | roamm | karsten: google shows up nothing on ENOSENSE |
| 06:25.52 | poisoned1 | or do i edit lilo.conf first? |
| 06:26.03 | kc | y |
| 06:26.06 | kc | poisoned1: yes |
| 06:26.07 | poisoned1 | sweet |
| 06:26.12 | kc | poisoned1: its useless |
| 06:26.18 | poisoned1 | It's going to edit lilo.conf for me aint it |
| 06:26.22 | kc | poisoned1: no |
| 06:26.23 | benjamindees | zeeble, my 2.4.27 has b44, not bcm4400, and b44 doesn't work for me :( |
| 06:26.28 | poisoned1 | i see |
| 06:26.36 | kc | poisoned1: you need to go first to /boot/ |
| 06:26.48 | poisoned1 | so it's just being lame |
| 06:26.52 | kc | poisoned1: do you have linux-2.6.4...? |
| 06:26.53 | zeeble | benjamindees: oh ok. it was still bcm4400 when i used the 2.4.x tree. |
| 06:26.55 | poisoned1 | im there' |
| 06:27.01 | benjamindees | zeeble, which is odd because it works in Fedora (2.4.22-etc) |
| 06:27.21 | zeeble | benjamindees: you mean it does'nt work even if you compile it? |
| 06:27.23 | kc | poisoned1: do ls do you see a linux-2.6.4 image? |
| 06:28.05 | benjamindees | zeeble, I haven't gotten that far yet; oddly everything I've found recommends b44 over compiling bcm4400 though |
| 06:28.06 | N00b2Debian | ok disk is burned .... any tips on running the irssi thing? |
| 06:28.06 | poisoned1 | no |
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| 06:28.33 | poisoned1 | wait |
| 06:28.37 | kc | poisoned1: do you see vmlinuz-2.6.4? |
| 06:28.38 | poisoned1 | I think it's in / |
| 06:28.40 | karsten | !tell roamm about ENOSENSE |
| 06:28.47 | poisoned1 | with the .map |
| 06:28.53 | karsten | N00b2Debian: sec |
| 06:28.56 | N00b2Debian | k |
| 06:28.56 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: what is the point of all the live-cd's ? |
| 06:29.12 | N00b2Debian | trying desperately to get some type of linux on my second hard drive |
| 06:29.13 | kc | poisoned1: in /boot it should have a file called vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:29.19 | arango | jm_: I am looking at the "sound and multimedia" section in the control center but I don't see anything to choose a device. |
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| 06:29.21 | karsten | N00b2Debian: lnx-bbc doesn't launch X automatically. 'startx' to start an X session. It's blackbox IIRC (lightweight WM). |
| 06:29.22 | N00b2Debian | I want to run a web server.. learn this OS |
| 06:29.29 | N00b2Debian | learn to write scripts |
| 06:29.30 | kc | poisoned1: or in / |
| 06:29.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'irssi -c irc.debian.org -n N00B2Debian' will connect you here. |
| 06:29.40 | foureyes779 | and knoppix-std didnt work because ?? |
| 06:29.45 | poisoned1 | in / |
| 06:29.50 | kc | ok |
| 06:29.51 | yxa | does alien always work? |
| 06:29.54 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Once you've connected, /join #debian. |
| 06:29.58 | poisoned1 | vmlinuz right? |
| 06:29.59 | kc | so you edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 06:30.04 | kc | no |
| 06:30.08 | poisoned1 | arg |
| 06:30.13 | karsten | N00b2Debian: We'll get you to the rest of it. |
| 06:30.14 | kc | poisoned1: vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:30.20 | poisoned1 | yeah |
| 06:30.22 | N00b2Debian | it didnt work because it didnt detect my NIC |
| 06:30.24 | poisoned1 | Sorry thats what I meant |
| 06:30.31 | zeeble | benjamindees: have you tried a Sarge netinstall image and the b44 module in it? |
| 06:30.31 | stouset | yxa: except when it fails |
| 06:30.34 | kc | poisoned1: ok so now you edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 06:30.37 | karsten | roamm: Don't privmsg. See /topic |
| 06:30.45 | N00b2Debian | ok .. here i go |
| 06:30.50 | kc | poisoned1: go to the very bottom |
| 06:30.51 | foureyes779 | and "modprobe *" in a terminal didnt find it ? |
| 06:30.51 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Luck. |
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| 06:31.03 | benjamindees | zeeble, no, just Woody with backports |
| 06:31.05 | jm_ | arango: I am not familiaw with KDE, don't ask me - there's always #kde and #kde-debian |
| 06:31.06 | karsten | roamm: What's your question? |
| 06:31.10 | jm_ | familiar |
| 06:31.18 | yxa | stouset well how often does it succeed? :) |
| 06:31.20 | kc | and change the image from 2.4..... to /vmlinuz-2.6.4.... |
| 06:31.27 | karsten | jm_: I prefer "familiaw" |
| 06:31.28 | arango | jm_: thanks |
| 06:31.29 | zeeble | benjamindees: hm, try the sarge one with the 2.6.x kernel image. |
| 06:31.44 | zeeble | benjamindees: when you have the machine free for a clean install :) |
| 06:31.46 | foureyes779 | karsten: what is he trying to do ? |
| 06:31.48 | kc | poisoned1: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:31.48 | kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.48 | kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.52 | karsten | foureyes779: Who? |
| 06:32.09 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian |
| 06:32.12 | kc | poisoned1: but change /boot into / |
| 06:32.18 | karsten | foureyes779: He's trying to install Debian. We're working on a chroot install. |
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| 06:32.34 | karsten | foureyes779: Knoppix STD didn't network. We're looking at LNX-BBC. |
| 06:32.51 | foureyes779 | why didnt he just set up his NIC with Knoppix-STD ? that has pretty good NIC support |
| 06:33.03 | benjamindees | zeeble, okay, I may try that in a while |
| 06:33.09 | zeeble | Lnx-BBC wont work either. That driver did'nt get into the kernel until december 2003 |
| 06:33.27 | foureyes779 | theres actually an optin in the menu ti set up your network |
| 06:33.58 | karsten | foureyes779: Well, he couldn't, and, well, he wasn't networked to join IRC. |
| 06:34.17 | benjamindees | heh, yeah trying to install without a nic isn't fun :( |
| 06:34.24 | karsten | foureyes779: I'm grabbing a drink, if he shows, have him hold a sec. |
| 06:34.41 | poisoned1 | k i think I got it |
| 06:34.58 | zeeble | benjamindees: yeah. always had to do a base install, install build-essential, grab the driver src from broadcom's site. and then go ahead. |
| 06:34.59 | poisoned1 | I need to copy the image to /boot now? |
| 06:35.04 | foureyes779 | karsten: ok |
| 06:35.11 | kc | poisoned1: ok now make sure that by default it loades linux-2.6.4 or whatever you said it should load |
| 06:35.16 | kc | poisoned1: no |
| 06:35.20 | poisoned1 | i did |
| 06:35.41 | kc | poisoned1: did you specify that the image is not in /boot but in / like i asked you to? |
| 06:35.42 | foureyes779 | modprobe bc4400 should have found it though |
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| 06:36.00 | zeeble | is'nt it b44 now? |
| 06:36.01 | foureyes779 | or modprobe bc4400 |
| 06:36.05 | zeeble | with the 2.6.x kernels? |
| 06:36.49 | poisoned1 | shit |
| 06:36.53 | poisoned1 | you lost me bro |
| 06:37.01 | poisoned1 | you said to put image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:37.07 | kc | poisoned1: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:37.07 | kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.07 | kc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.35 | kc | poisoned1: instead of image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.4 yours should say image=/vmlinuz-2.6.4 |
| 06:38.10 | kc | poisoned1: its just i copied you mine |
| 06:38.12 | foureyes779 | on my machine it's b44.o |
| 06:38.18 | poisoned1 | k |
| 06:38.20 | poisoned1 | brb |
| 06:38.30 | sdogi | do you guys know about http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
| 06:38.41 | Biovore | yes |
| 06:38.41 | karsten | foureyes779: back |
| 06:38.45 | foureyes779 | 2.4.27-powerpc |
| 06:38.48 | zeeble | fourcheeze: same for me. |
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| 06:39.03 | foureyes779 | karsten: the module he wants should be b44.o |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | foureyes779: Thanks. |
| 06:39.26 | poisoned1 | kc should I also change map=/boot/map |
| 06:39.27 | zeeble | hope he gets back in here :) |
| 06:39.29 | ThomasAH | bob2: Now I use chrony for client machines. Configuration is much better, because I only have to change one config file instead of two (ntpdate+ntp-simple) to use the local ntp server. Thanks for the tip |
| 06:39.34 | ThomasAH | bye |
| 06:39.36 | poisoned1 | because the new .map file is in "/" |
| 06:39.39 | sdogi | are you writing to your local eu representives already? |
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| 06:40.06 | Biovore | Not in EU |
| 06:40.17 | clump | I hope Debian doesn't drop arches. |
| 06:40.27 | kc | poisoned1: you can use .map but you dont have 2 |
| 06:40.30 | mike_douglas | Question about dpkg-query: any way to get it to show the time/date the package was installed? |
| 06:40.32 | kc | poisoned1: I dont |
| 06:40.33 | doleyb | sdogi: Many eu webpages have been doing stuff like that on and off for years. |
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| 06:40.50 | karsten | clump: From stable. They'll still be in unstable, but release won't hold for some 1% broken arch |
| 06:40.54 | poisoned1 | can i just comment it out in lilo.conf |
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| 06:41.00 | kc | poisoned1: yep |
| 06:41.06 | poisoned1 | kewl |
| 06:41.12 | kc | poisoned1: run lilo |
| 06:41.15 | sdogi | doleyb: you are from USA? |
| 06:41.25 | clump | karsten I would hope if "dropped" that Debian on non-x86 would still be usable |
| 06:41.35 | karsten | clump: Quite. |
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| 06:41.51 | karsten | clump: ...so long as there's a buildd for the arch. |
| 06:41.51 | kc | poisoned1: command lilo should be run everytime you update lilo otherwise nothing happens |
| 06:41.54 | Guerin_ | i'm surprised they're considering dropping sparc |
| 06:42.03 | foureyes779 | i have yet to try and build a NEW kernel for a Mac though |
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| 06:42.07 | clump | foureyes779 Debian on your ppc? |
| 06:42.19 | foureyes779 | clump: yep |
| 06:42.22 | kc | Guerin_: i am surprised they are dropping mips :) |
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| 06:42.32 | benjamindees | clump, from what I've seen the "dropped" arches can still release, just on their own schedule |
| 06:42.35 | Hydroxide | clump: I definitely use debian on my ppc, more often than I use Mac OS X on it |
| 06:42.40 | Guerin_ | i'm surprised they're considering dropping anything, tbh |
| 06:42.46 | Guerin_ | but I suppose I can see why |
| 06:42.52 | Biovore | Its alot of work to keep a platform port up.. |
| 06:42.53 | foureyes779 | clump: it's an OldWorld PowerMac 7600/133 |
| 06:42.53 | poisoned1 | Added Linux-2.6.4 |
| 06:42.53 | poisoned1 | Added LinuxOLD |
| 06:42.53 | poisoned1 | Fatal: No images have been defined or default image doesn't exist. |
| 06:42.54 | mohohaha | newbie question: if i got same spec ati video card, is agp better than pci? or same performance? |
| 06:42.54 | clump | benjamindees I could certainly be OK with that |
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| 06:42.59 | benjamindees | ppc wasn't one of the proposed arches to drop either |
| 06:43.01 | Guerin_ | poisoned1: beatings |
| 06:43.01 | poisoned1 | arg |
| 06:43.08 | poisoned1 | sorry dude |
| 06:43.15 | clump | Hydroxide foureyes779 I ran on a G4 newworld back in the day |
| 06:43.19 | clump | it was quite comfortable |
| 06:43.28 | kc | poisoned1: you should specify your default image as just linux-2.6.4 |
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| 06:43.42 | sdogi | doesn't like anyone care about software directives in EU? |
| 06:43.43 | N00b2Debian | failure =( |
| 06:43.59 | Hydroxide | clump: I run on a g3 newworld (early 2002 ibook), although it's not currently my primary machine except when I'm away from my desktop |
| 06:44.03 | kc | default=Linux-2.6.4 |
| 06:44.08 | Guerin_ | sdogi: not enough people care, clearly |
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| 06:44.28 | doleyb | sdogi: Yes, many people care. But its too early for europeans to be awake. |
| 06:44.30 | foureyes779 | man, i would love a G4 |
| 06:44.32 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: boot with your knoppix. once booted, open a terminal and type modprobe b44 and see if that gets you going. |
| 06:44.37 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Gah! |
| 06:44.47 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 22:39 < foureyes779> karsten: the module he wants should be b44.o |
| 06:44.55 | clump | Hydroxide nice. I remember installing Potato on a newworld... that was a bit of a hairball ;) |
| 06:44.59 | sdogi | doleyb: mplayers website doesn't say so |
| 06:45.07 | yxa | if i want to setup j2sdk on debian, how do i go abt doing it? |
| 06:45.14 | doleyb | sdogi: Plus, there is good hope that the eu governments will be afraid of microsoft 0wning them, and stop the patents. |
| 06:45.14 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'modprobe b44' should load that, try from Knoppix STD or LNX-BBC. |
| 06:45.15 | sdogi | doleyb: also i have been hearing bad things about it like for two weeks now |
| 06:45.20 | benjamindees | sdogi, lots of these people are USians |
| 06:45.35 | foureyes779 | karsten: is he in linux now ? |
| 06:45.35 | doleyb | sdogi: They are exaggerating to get support. I've been hearing bad things for 2 years now. |
| 06:45.40 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Alternatively: burn a full Knoppix disk and try again later. I'm about to bail for the night. |
| 06:45.41 | N00b2Debian | ok going for knoppix std ..... er.. how do i open a terminal window =) |
| 06:45.44 | karsten | foureyes779: ?? |
| 06:46.00 | poisoned1 | GOT IT! |
| 06:46.01 | foureyes779 | is he running linux ? |
| 06:46.01 | karsten | foureyes779: Yeah. N00b2Debian's back. |
| 06:46.02 | kc | poisoned1: run lilo after change |
| 06:46.06 | pureone | get knoppix 3.8 :) |
| 06:46.08 | karsten | foureyes779: No. 'Doze. |
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| 06:46.17 | poisoned1 | now I reboot? |
| 06:46.22 | kc | poisoned1: yep |
| 06:46.22 | foureyes779 | have him do a lsmod to see what module it's using ? |
| 06:46.23 | sdogi | so when microsoft starts acting in europe they just get rid of software directives? |
| 06:46.30 | foureyes779 | ahh |
| 06:46.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What are you running right now? |
| 06:46.32 | poisoned1 | wish me luck |
| 06:46.34 | N00b2Debian | knoppix is bigger than 700 meg and I only have 700 meg cds on me |
| 06:46.34 | foureyes779 | NM then |
| 06:46.34 | sdogi | seems a bit dangerous |
| 06:46.39 | kc | luck * |
| 06:46.43 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: is'nt there a icon somewhrere at the bottom in KDE that looks like a terminal? white thing with a black box inside? |
| 06:46.48 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Um. Knoppix should *not* be bigger than 700 MB. |
| 06:46.49 | pureone | knoppix will burn to cd |
| 06:47.05 | karsten | zeeble: He's not in Knoppix ATM. |
| 06:47.08 | N00b2Debian | im runing winxp .. lol |
| 06:47.13 | foureyes779 | he should be able to use knoppix-std though... |
| 06:47.21 | deadcat | N00b2Debian: try #winxp |
| 06:47.23 | poisoned1 | While that reboots I would like to say that any distro of linux or bsd is great |
| 06:47.24 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Hrm. We need to get you on colinux </joke> |
| 06:47.28 | zeeble | karsten: N00b2Debian ok going for knoppix std ..... er.. how do i open a terminal window =) |
| 06:47.31 | foureyes779 | it has the SAME moodules that Knoppix has |
| 06:47.32 | poisoned1 | because it is not windoz |
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| 06:47.49 | benjamindees | deadcat, he's installing Debian, calm down |
| 06:47.50 | karsten | zeeble: Heh. |
| 06:47.55 | kc | poisoned1: btw a good module to compile with your kernel is scsi emulation |
| 06:47.56 | N00b2Debian | lol ... |
| 06:47.56 | deadcat | benjamindees: ah.. |
| 06:48.01 | karsten | deadcat: Can it. |
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| 06:48.13 | poisoned1 | kc I left that in there |
| 06:48.16 | deadcat | havent taken my pills yet. |
| 06:48.28 | poisoned1 | shit |
| 06:48.29 | poisoned1 | ! |
| 06:48.38 | foureyes779 | Xterm, rxvt, Eterm,Aterm, konsole...etc etc |
| 06:48.44 | bmertz | hello |
| 06:48.50 | poisoned1 | left the boot cd in :9 |
| 06:48.56 | deadcat | bmertz: can i help you sir? |
| 06:49.07 | bmertz | yea... just a quick question... is there an HCL for Debian? |
| 06:49.09 | N00b2Debian | ok one more time cuz i think i missed it .. what is the command to open a terminal window ? when std boots up I have the option of selecting different workspaces but i dont remember seeing terminal |
| 06:49.12 | karsten | deadcat: Fast-acting, eh? |
| 06:49.14 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: Xterm, rxvt, Eterm,Aterm, konsole...etc etc |
| 06:49.23 | deadcat | karsten: (= |
| 06:49.36 | kc | poisoned1: what nvidia card have you got ? |
| 06:49.36 | foureyes779 | should be in your menu |
| 06:49.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: There should be an icon with a screen on it. Or <f2> and type 'xterm' in the dialog. |
| 06:49.49 | poisoned1 | it's a geforce FX |
| 06:49.52 | poisoned1 | 128mb |
| 06:50.01 | N00b2Debian | ok then in the xterm window i type modprobe b44 ? |
| 06:50.05 | karsten | deadcat: heh. |
| 06:50.05 | poisoned1 | I got it for free:) |
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| 06:50.18 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Um. 'sudo su' first. |
| 06:50.19 | poisoned1 | I own a review website |
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| 06:50.20 | mohohaha | poisoned1: how come :) |
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| 06:50.22 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Need to be root. |
| 06:50.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Or just 'su modprobe b44' |
| 06:50.41 | deadcat | need help with ppc+2.6+bootsplash |
| 06:50.43 | poisoned1 | Dont run it anymore but it runs itself |
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| 06:51.02 | N00b2Debian | ok .. here I go |
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| 06:51.09 | kc | poisoned1: what type of reviews? |
| 06:51.15 | poisoned1 | ima try and ssh back to the box |
| 06:51.17 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: see ya in a few... |
| 06:51.22 | N00b2Debian | =) |
| 06:51.25 | poisoned1 | uname -a should tell me if it worked? |
| 06:51.38 | kc | poisoned1: or uname -r |
| 06:51.42 | zeeble | tell him to restart his network too. |
| 06:51.44 | N00b2Debian | just want to say thanks a lot so far for the help |
| 06:51.59 | N00b2Debian | restart my network? |
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| 06:52.09 | N00b2Debian | you want me to unplug my cable modem or my router? |
| 06:52.11 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Sec. |
| 06:52.11 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: sorry. wrong window. |
| 06:52.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yeah. sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp start |
| 06:52.30 | Guerin_ | i was wondering why i couldn't look up any dns as user, but could as root |
| 06:52.38 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Um. No, not that. |
| 06:52.41 | Guerin_ | and I discovered my resolv.conf was 440 |
| 06:52.43 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Try: ifup eth0 |
| 06:52.46 | Guerin_ | not sure why |
| 06:52.48 | deadcat | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 06:53.12 | bmertz | anyone? |
| 06:53.17 | Guerin_ | !anyone |
| 06:53.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:53.24 | bmertz | :) |
| 06:53.26 | Guerin_ | god it's good to be back on my own box again |
| 06:53.53 | jm_ | Guerin: are you back in KR? |
| 06:54.01 | Guerin_ | yeah, have been for a few weeks now |
| 06:54.03 | N00b2Debian | lol ok .. just to be sure .. you want me to type ifup eth0 instead of su modprobe b44 or you want me to do both |
| 06:54.14 | Guerin_ | but still no intarwebs at home |
| 06:54.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What deadcat said. |
| 06:54.59 | kc | poisoned1: did it work ? |
| 06:55.12 | foureyes779 | Knoppix-STD has a menu option to set up your network using DHCP once you get the NIC setup also |
| 06:55.14 | Guerin_ | so, what's the smart way to have multiple eth0 setups: one for home, one for office #1, one for office #2, etc... virtuals? or is there some elegant way? |
| 06:55.18 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: you first modprobe b44, and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin_ | knoppix is like a STD actually |
| 06:55.29 | deadcat | anyone have the debian tshirt sold at linuxworld boston this year? |
| 06:55.34 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 06:55.36 | Guerin_ | stupidity transmitted disease |
| 06:55.42 | karsten | Guerin_: Y'know, I've never found one. |
| 06:55.56 | N00b2Debian | and I do both of these at a terminal window |
| 06:56.03 | deadcat | bmertz: DONT /msg me.. |
| 06:56.05 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: yes. |
| 06:56.06 | Guerin_ | hrm, eth0:home, eth0:yms it is, then |
| 06:56.16 | karsten | Guerin_: IMO: aliased interfaces: ifup eth0_home. Something like that, not sure of syntax. Is where I'd go. |
| 06:56.16 | N00b2Debian | gotcha .. here I go |
| 06:56.31 | karsten | Guerin_: I tried netenv, worthless PoS. |
| 06:56.33 | jm_ | Guerin: that depends on your environment, there are several packages for automated network setup based on current environment |
| 06:56.36 | deadcat | ifup eth0=home |
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| 06:57.11 | Guerin_ | i don't really need it to be automated, I just don't want to have to change the comments in interfaces every time |
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| 06:58.00 | mwilson | grrrr |
| 06:58.02 | bmertz | is there anyone that can answer a quick question for me please? |
| 06:58.09 | Guerin_ | bmertz: yes |
| 06:58.12 | Guerin_ | there you go, it' |
| 06:58.12 | deadcat | bmertz: ask mother fucker! |
| 06:58.15 | Guerin_ | s been answered |
| 06:58.30 | Guerin_ | first question is fre, th4e others cost you virtual beer |
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| 06:58.39 | Guerin_ | and typing lessons |
| 06:58.40 | nagual | ;-) |
| 06:58.40 | bob2 | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-176085-highlight-gcc.html |
| 06:58.45 | bob2 | deadcat: chill |
| 06:58.46 | deadcat | i scared him away? |
| 06:58.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:58.54 | nagual | deadcats smell :( |
| 06:59.18 | deadcat | hope hes not crying to his mommy... |
| 06:59.28 | bob2 | this used to be a technical channel |
| 06:59.38 | bob2 | deadcat: I will not warn you again but that sort of language |
| 06:59.42 | karsten | bob2: Ask asg about salivating. |
| 06:59.43 | bob2 | a/but/about/ |
| 06:59.44 | deadcat | bob2: sorry. (= |
| 07:00.15 | Guerin_ | hrm, can someone tell me if 172.19.110.1 is a world-visible ip |
| 07:00.22 | Guerin_ | oh |
| 07:00.26 | Guerin_ | i can do it myself |
| 07:00.28 | calin | it is not |
| 07:00.36 | Guerin_ | cheers :) |
| 07:00.37 | deadcat | i bet he swears to take revenge on all debian geeks. (= |
| 07:00.56 | poisoned1 | damn! |
| 07:00.57 | karsten | deadcat: No, just dead cats. |
| 07:01.02 | poisoned1 | The interface is not up |
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| 07:01.05 | bob2 | random abuse to people reflects badly on *all* of us |
| 07:01.07 | kc | poisoned1: if you configured the kernel wrong then after recompiling run lilo again. also the nvidia driver should work now just add nvidia as your video driver in /etc/X11/XFree86.. file and choose your resolution. then add nvidia in /etc/modules so that it loads on startup. |
| 07:01.07 | poisoned1 | cant ssh to box |
| 07:01.10 | Guerin_ | bob2: it also used to be a channel where foul language was tolerated in good humour |
| 07:01.13 | karsten | deadcat: But seriously, it's not a good move. |
| 07:01.30 | kc | poisoned1: i knew this would happen , its called misconfiguring the kernel... |
| 07:01.30 | karsten | Guerin_: Cursing out n00bs is _not_ cool. |
| 07:01.39 | deadcat | karsten: was kidding. (=, if you're giving me that look, it means i am kidding.. heheh |
| 07:01.47 | bob2 | Guerin_: fucking oath |
| 07:01.48 | karsten | Guerin_: ...dishing it out to me, though, you spam-infested poor excuse for a rice pit, is acceptable. |
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| 07:01.51 | kc | poisoned1: follow the advise i gave you above and you will get it done. |
| 07:01.53 | foureyes779 | that the n00b that was PM'ing everyone ? |
| 07:01.53 | poisoned1 | it says cant open dependencies file |
| 07:01.57 | Guerin_ | hah |
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| 07:02.08 | poisoned1 | ok kc |
| 07:02.14 | poisoned1 | Ill work on it some more |
| 07:02.18 | kc | poisoned1: what dependencies |
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| 07:02.23 | poisoned1 | Thank you very much for your help |
| 07:02.25 | kc | poisoned1: whats the error for? |
| 07:02.43 | poisoned1 | when i do ifconfig |
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| 07:03.22 | poisoned1 | modprobe: cant open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.4/modules.dep |
| 07:03.25 | kc | poisoned1: did you select proper driver for your ethernet card in drivers/net ? |
| 07:03.27 | poisoned1 | (no suck file |
| 07:03.39 | poisoned1 | probably not man |
| 07:03.45 | poisoned1 | Ill take it from here man |
| 07:03.53 | poisoned1 | You have been a big help |
| 07:03.57 | kc | no problem ... |
| 07:04.04 | kc | this kernel works fine with nvidia drivers |
| 07:04.06 | kc | good luck |
| 07:04.08 | kc | ciao |
| 07:04.09 | poisoned1 | thanks |
| 07:04.16 | mwilson | Ah, there we go. |
| 07:04.20 | mwilson | All hail gpart. |
| 07:04.37 | zeeble | did you resize fat? |
| 07:04.38 | kc | hey guys check out flipstart.com |
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| 07:04.49 | kc | http://www.orionmulti.com/products/ |
| 07:04.50 | mwilson | I said gpart, not gparted. |
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| 07:05.00 | zeeble | oh |
| 07:05.08 | kc | c ya later |
| 07:05.11 | mwilson | gpart == partition table guesser |
| 07:05.25 | mwilson | Something zorched the partition table on my laptop |
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| 07:05.31 | zeeble | it guessed right? |
| 07:05.55 | mwilson | Win2k would still boot, even though the partition table was empty, but the copy of unstable on it was nowhere to be found. :) |
| 07:06.19 | mwilson | It seems to have... it's booting unstable at the moment. fsck is running. :) |
| 07:06.24 | zeeble | good for you then. another util added to "tools" |
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| 07:06.53 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: that work? |
| 07:06.56 | mwilson | Actually, I'm about to blow away the Linux install on it... I just didn't want to lose the 2k install. |
| 07:06.59 | N00b2Debian | =( |
| 07:07.04 | N00b2Debian | the commands worked |
| 07:07.12 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: and? |
| 07:07.13 | deadcat | mwilson: what you have in the 2k install? |
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| 07:07.27 | N00b2Debian | when i typed modprobe b44 i got error .. unable to locate mod or somethng like that |
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| 07:07.39 | mwilson | deadcat: Nothing horribly important... but it's the only copy of Windows I have running here in the house. :) |
| 07:07.46 | N00b2Debian | so i typed modprobe b44.0 and got the same error |
| 07:07.47 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:07.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: There *is* an Omaha Linux User Group: http://www.olug.org/ |
| 07:08.17 | deadcat | karsten: been to the bay area debian thing? |
| 07:08.27 | karsten | deadcat: Not for a while. |
| 07:08.37 | N00b2Debian | I went to them to help me do my install on my laptop ... you know wha tthey said... I"m on my own cuz no one has a debian install and they wanted me to pay like 90 bucks for some other kinds of linux so screw them |
| 07:08.45 | deadcat | karsten: what they do/talk? |
| 07:08.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Ouch. |
| 07:08.56 | karsten | deadcat: That and drink beer. |
| 07:09.08 | karsten | deadcat: Usually at an all-ages venue, there's some < 21ers. |
| 07:09.14 | mwilson | Most LUG aren't worth much. |
| 07:09.18 | deadcat | N00b2Debian: sad... bad lug for you |
| 07:09.22 | N00b2Debian | so .. karsten ... when ya passing thru omaha .. =) |
| 07:09.48 | deadcat | karsten: no free food eh? |
| 07:09.49 | N00b2Debian | I got let go from ebay a few months back .. so .. I got time .. lol |
| 07:10.08 | karsten | deadcat: Nope. |
| 07:10.16 | mwilson | Ok, now that I've recovered it, time to destroy it. |
| 07:10.19 | karsten | deadcat: Hrm. Lessee who I know out that way.... |
| 07:10.19 | deadcat | N00b2Debian: come to the linuxworld in sf this aug. we can help you there. (= |
| 07:10.27 | karsten | deadcat: There's a few folks in the Chicago area. |
| 07:10.29 | Guerin_ | 21 |
| 07:10.33 | karsten | deadcat: NM |
| 07:10.37 | Guerin_ | damn puritans |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ^^ chicago. |
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| 07:11.09 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: so did you get the NIC setup in Knoppix-STD ? |
| 07:11.11 | mwilson | I wish I could afford to go to LW. |
| 07:11.12 | N00b2Debian | i still cant believe you cant hakor into me and do this .. lol |
| 07:11.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: desktop or Linux kit? |
| 07:11.27 | N00b2Debian | this is a desktop pc |
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| 07:11.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Unfortunately, I don't know of an install that bootstraps from Windows. |
| 07:11.41 | N00b2Debian | foureyes no it didnt work i got an error |
| 07:11.48 | N00b2Debian | about not being able to locate the module |
| 07:11.49 | deadcat | mwilson: hitch hick. |
| 07:11.56 | mwilson | huh? |
| 07:12.01 | Guerin_ | there is one whoch bootstraps from win98 or dos |
| 07:12.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Got a spare NIC around? You can _buy_ working Tulip or e100 cards for ~$10 - $20. |
| 07:12.13 | foureyes779 | "modprobe *" didnt find anything either ? |
| 07:12.14 | karsten | Guerin_: Phat, yeah. |
| 07:12.23 | karsten | Guerin_: Uses umsdos FS. |
| 07:12.29 | Guerin_ | yeah |
| 07:12.35 | N00b2Debian | hmmmm thats a thougth karsten |
| 07:12.39 | N00b2Debian | thought |
| 07:12.54 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Sometimes the best way to deal with uncooperative HW is to get rid of it ;-) |
| 07:13.06 | deadcat | mwilson: you talking about in SF this aug right? |
| 07:13.07 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You can even just swap w/ another machine if you've got one around. |
| 07:13.07 | N00b2Debian | I will look in my storage tomorrow and then look back here to beg for your help some more ... I'm sure your tired of hearing from me tonight |
| 07:13.18 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. I'm about spent for the night FWIW. |
| 07:13.28 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.31 | N00b2Debian | I know you are . thanks for all the help |
| 07:13.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You're being a pretty good spoort, appreciated. |
| 07:13.42 | N00b2Debian | modprobe said it could not find the module |
| 07:13.52 | N00b2Debian | or something very close to that |
| 07:13.58 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.59 | benjamindees | N00b2Debian, you're having problems with the Broadcom 4400 chipset right? |
| 07:14.04 | N00b2Debian | but the command to reset did work . lol |
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| 07:14.12 | N00b2Debian | yes benjamin |
| 07:14.31 | deadcat | karsten: you have patients. if its me, i would have snapped long ago. (= |
| 07:14.33 | benjamindees | N00b2Debian, and you got the lspci output for your card? |
| 07:14.54 | karsten | deadcat: Yes, we noticed ;-) |
| 07:14.57 | N00b2Debian | I dont know what you mean by that .... but im sure i can find it |
| 07:15.07 | karsten | benjamindees: Ick.... |
| 07:15.08 | N00b2Debian | thanks for not snapping on me guys |
| 07:15.11 | benjamindees | N00b2Debian, /sbin/lspci |
| 07:15.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Broadcom's pretty poorly supported. |
| 07:15.18 | deadcat | N00b2Debian: no problem. (= |
| 07:15.35 | N00b2Debian | I know i've been a pain in your asses |
| 07:15.58 | N00b2Debian | benjamin are you asking me to look in a directory on my hd for this? |
| 07:16.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/system-info |
| 07:16.24 | deadcat | anyone have the debian tshirt sold at linuxworld boston this year? |
| 07:16.29 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Download and run that on your Linux box. Save the output. |
| 07:16.41 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...paste it. Do this tomorrow or sometime. |
| 07:16.46 | benjamindees | N00b2Debian, I guess you're in XP now, but having the output of running /sbin/lspci from linux would help |
| 07:16.49 | N00b2Debian | ok |
| 07:16.53 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ./system-info > system-info.txt |
| 07:17.04 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Grabs a bunch of system config data, useful for diagnostics. |
| 07:17.15 | N00b2Debian | oh I have that on that floppy when i wrote the error hang on |
| 07:17.17 | karsten | N00b2Debian: There's also Belarc Advisor, you can run from 'Doze |
| 07:17.30 | Guerin_ | !tell deadcat about anyone |
| 07:17.47 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...does a similar inventory. http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html |
| 07:18.21 | NikS | prompt where communicate on in Russian |
| 07:18.35 | N00b2Debian | what was that link you gave me earlier for posting in here .. I think i have what you want |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin_ | !.ru |
| 07:18.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, .ru is Russia |
| 07:18.44 | N00b2Debian | lol |
| 07:18.45 | Guerin_ | gah |
| 07:18.48 | Guerin_ | !ru |
| 07:18.48 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 07:19.13 | Guerin_ | dpkg, no, .ru is <reply> see ru |
| 07:19.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin_ |
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| 07:19.55 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ?? |
| 07:20.03 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Who's "you"? |
| 07:20.24 | N00b2Debian | you .. Karsten |
| 07:20.27 | foureyes779 | you know, YOU!! |
| 07:20.27 | NikS | Ok1 |
| 07:20.33 | N00b2Debian | lol |
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| 07:21.12 | N00b2Debian | that page that i copied and pasted into earlier .. remember I told you there was like 6 files? one of them is system info |
| 07:21.25 | N00b2Debian | hardware sumary |
| 07:21.34 | karsten | N00b2Debian: That's different stuff. But if you have it, paste away. |
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| 07:21.46 | N00b2Debian | in here? |
| 07:22.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: No. |
| 07:22.13 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about paster |
| 07:22.19 | karsten | N00b2Debian: site you used earlier. |
| 07:22.19 | N00b2Debian | lol thats why i was asking you about that pasting thing |
| 07:22.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'm _tired_, sorry. |
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| 07:23.45 | paster | "N00b2Debian" at 68.13.123.108 pasted "system info" (256 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/351 |
| 07:23.59 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Gotit |
| 07:24.30 | N00b2Debian | thats ok i was actually doing it for benjamin since I know your tired of me tonight... I would be too .. lol |
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| 07:24.52 | karsten | N00b2Debian: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2003-07/1714.html |
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| 07:25.11 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Looks like it needs a kernel patch. I'd swap with another NIC myself. |
| 07:25.25 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Avoid Broadcom. Evil. Undocumented. No spec. GPL violating. Scum. |
| 07:25.40 | karsten | !broadcom |
| 07:25.40 | dpkg | well, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody |
| 07:25.42 | zeeble | nooo! it works fine. |
| 07:25.53 | N00b2Debian | lol I didnt want this fdell to begin with but . it was cheap when my other comp bit the dust |
| 07:26.05 | karsten | dpkg: broadcom is also evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. |
| 07:26.05 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 07:26.32 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: or get the debian netinstall iso for sarge, and go ahead. that one detects the broadcom chipset on my laptop. |
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| 07:26.54 | N00b2Debian | I do have that.. lol thats what started this whole thing |
| 07:27.02 | N00b2Debian | i get an error on installation |
| 07:27.11 | benjamindees | I notice you have the b44 module loaded on that page |
| 07:27.14 | N00b2Debian | and yes it did detect my dhcp |
| 07:27.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Oi. Swap the NIC. Installer should work at that point. |
| 07:27.48 | foureyes779 | whats using the VIA ? |
| 07:27.55 | N00b2Debian | heee ok.. i'll find me a new nicky |
| 07:27.55 | benjamindees | I've tried kernels 2.4.26 and 2.4.27 to no avail; 2.4.25 is new though, may try that |
| 07:27.59 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Nice thing is that if you try Knoppix and _it_ won't work, you tend to know you've got uncooperative HW. |
| 07:28.08 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Now scoot and be back tomorrow. |
| 07:28.15 | N00b2Debian | scooting |
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| 07:28.34 | karsten | Gah! |
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| 07:28.45 | karsten | Really shouldn't have taken hours to figure that out.... |
| 07:28.49 | Guerin_ | heh |
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| 07:29.00 | Kitsok | re ppl |
| 07:29.00 | Guerin_ | especially given that I recall telling him that on about... friday |
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| 07:29.05 | Zvpun | is there a access alternative on linux/debian? What do you use to generate database frontends on linux? |
| 07:29.07 | sanxiyn | "* joeyh remembers the secret meeting where build-dependencies were designed." -- #debian-devel |
| 07:29.18 | karsten | Guerin_: Rice is too good for you. |
| 07:29.26 | Guerin_ | heh |
| 07:29.29 | sanxiyn | (re: Recent release proposal, "designed in the secret meeting") |
| 07:29.31 | daww | How can I execute all files in a dir and it's subdir:s? |
| 07:29.43 | karsten | dpkg: At once, or sequentially? |
| 07:29.45 | daww | as shell scripts |
| 07:29.47 | Kitsok | Guys and girls, can anybody help newbie with stupid newbie questions? :) |
| 07:30.01 | Zvpun | daww: maybe runparts? |
| 07:30.01 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: Go ahead. |
| 07:30.07 | Guerin_ | Kitsok: no |
| 07:30.07 | karsten | dpkg: for f in $( find . -type f ); do ./$x; done |
| 07:30.15 | karsten | Kitsok: Apparently I can't. |
| 07:30.28 | Zvpun | karsten: whatabout whitespaces in filenames? |
| 07:30.47 | karsten | Zvpun: ... do ./"$x"; .. |
| 07:30.54 | karsten | Zvpun: Quote the name. |
| 07:31.09 | karsten | Zvpun: Might want to use 'exec'. |
| 07:31.29 | karsten | Zvpun: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 exec; done |
| 07:31.35 | karsten | Zvpun: s/; done// |
| 07:31.43 | Kitsok | Just installed Debian, updated from testing and now I have 2 gcc - 2.95 and 3.0. So I have link in /usr/bin. Question is - what is the Debians' way to manage it? |
| 07:31.44 | karsten | Zvpun: Untested. See if that works. |
| 07:31.44 | Zvpun | karsten: no, the for f in (find ...) breaks the whitespaces filenames into words |
| 07:31.57 | karsten | Zvpun: That's why I switched to xargs. |
| 07:31.58 | Zvpun | karsten: do ./"$x" wont work |
| 07:31.59 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: They are managed by "alternatives". |
| 07:32.03 | daww | karsten, sequentially |
| 07:32.04 | benjamindees | Zvpun, there's a bunch of things you could use, but I'm not sure which is "best"; openoffice, php even... |
| 07:32.09 | Zvpun | karsten: okay |
| 07:32.12 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, and where to read about it? |
| 07:32.36 | benjamindees | Zvpun, qt wouldn't even be that difficult |
| 07:32.46 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: man update-alternatives |
| 07:32.54 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, ok, thanks! |
| 07:33.13 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: (It is "invented" by Debian, and is also used by Mandrake and others) |
| 07:33.22 | Zvpun | benjamindees: is there something to do things fast? Using php or qt meight take time to do the basic stuff |
| 07:33.34 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: Read more on http://alternatives.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:33.40 | daww | karsten, Do you know then? |
| 07:33.52 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, yep, I've seen this system in ALTLinux (Russian distro based bourne from Mandrake) but never used it... |
| 07:33.57 | karsten | daww: Sorry, what? |
| 07:34.19 | daww | How can I execute all files sequentially in a dir and it's subdir:s? |
| 07:34.30 | karsten | daww: See above. find..xargs solution. |
| 07:34.33 | karsten | daww: Try that. |
| 07:34.36 | DocKane | what does the abbreviation "Pol" stand for on an ethernet transceiver ? |
| 07:34.45 | Guerin_ | daww: advanced bash scripting guide will help you |
| 07:34.58 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: It's quite cool. Especially if you're testing many free JVMs providing "java", etc. |
| 07:35.04 | zxcv | Power over Lan, DocKane? |
| 07:35.15 | zxcv | PoE/PoL |
| 07:35.21 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: Gentoo has a completely different way to solve that, too. |
| 07:35.24 | DocKane | sounds good, are you sure ? |
| 07:35.31 | daww | Guerin, where, man bash is to long =) |
| 07:35.38 | Guerin_ | !abs guide |
| 07:35.38 | dpkg | abs guide is, like, The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 07:35.48 | Guerin_ | but if man bash is too long, you're in trouble |
| 07:36.07 | benjamindees | Zvpun, there is an app called knoda, which claims to be a database frontend for kde; haven't used it |
| 07:36.11 | Zvpun | sanxiyn: what does Gentoo do? |
| 07:36.26 | Guerin_ | apart from waste power |
| 07:36.30 | Zvpun | benjamindees: I have a look |
| 07:36.31 | daww | Guerin, indeed |
| 07:36.43 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, hmmm.... Have alternatives for vi but don't have for gcc and g++... |
| 07:36.58 | cafuego | !greenhouse |
| 07:36.58 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 07:37.13 | Guerin_ | emacs |
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| 07:37.26 | cafuego | Nooooooooo! |
| 07:37.36 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: Hm, I guess gcc is done different, then. :-) |
| 07:37.37 | Guerin_ | well it's better than saying 'word' |
| 07:37.48 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: Doesn't gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.x exists anyway? |
| 07:37.48 | cafuego | Guerin_: Not you.. |
| 07:37.50 | Guerin_ | gcc and so don't use the alternatives system, iirc |
| 07:37.51 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, :) There are allvays exceptions |
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| 07:38.13 | cafuego | Guerin_: My guitar-playing neighbour seems to have found a friend with a drum kit |
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| 07:38.18 | Guerin_ | hahaha |
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| 07:38.26 | cafuego | They're NOT playing the same song |
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| 07:38.34 | Zvpun | hahahaha |
| 07:38.36 | DocKane | hehe |
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| 07:38.40 | Guerin_ | time to invest in your choice of: soundproofing; new stereophonics |
| 07:38.41 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, wow :) gcc272, gcc-2.95, gcc272, gcc-3.0, gcc-3.3-base :) |
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| 07:38.52 | Zvpun | you should go help them, sing with them (another song) |
| 07:38.57 | zxcv | Sennheiser HD280PRO! <3 |
| 07:39.02 | cafuego | ;kitchen knife block |
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| 07:39.13 | Guerin_ | gah, I know you already have one of those |
| 07:39.13 | DocKane | Sennheiser is probably a good choice |
| 07:39.17 | sanxiyn | Kitsok: You don't ned gcc272. |
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| 07:39.18 | DocKane | bit expensive |
| 07:39.24 | cafuego | zxcv: My set of Denon headphones is quite sufficient, thankyou. |
| 07:39.34 | zxcv | ;D |
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| 07:39.44 | cafuego | And they're comfy to boot |
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| 07:39.48 | SlayerXP | !ops onjoin porn spam from "dcc" and "life" |
| 07:39.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: onjoin porn spam from "dcc" and "life" |
| 07:39.49 | ells1 | does anyone know how I can get my wireless card to work in debian. It works automatically in ubuntu. they are pretty much the same |
| 07:39.50 | DocKane | i use rubbish sony and its ok for MY ears |
| 07:40.20 | cafuego | the Denons also warm the ears in -20C (tested & works) |
| 07:40.26 | Guerin_ | hah |
| 07:40.39 | DocKane | and no red ears with them because of open design |
| 07:40.39 | SlayerXP | oh sneaky, they have a spotter in the channel |
| 07:40.49 | sanxiyn | Zvpun: By the way, Gentoo (really, Portage) equivalent of update-alternatives is called SLOT. Search for it in documentation. |
| 07:40.51 | Kitsok | sanxiyn, still missing output of dpkg :) 2.72 is in pn state so I think that means I don't have it installed :) And what for do I need 2.85? |
| 07:40.57 | Kitsok | s/85/95/ |
| 07:40.57 | ells1 | does anyone know how I can get my wireless card to work in debian. It works automatically in ubuntu. they are pretty much the same |
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| 07:41.11 | Kitsok | ells1, what card do you have? |
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| 07:41.15 | Guerin_ | ells1: please impale yourself on a spork |
| 07:41.27 | ells1 | it is an internal card, atheros chipset |
| 07:41.31 | zxcv | suger and salt look pretty much the same. |
| 07:41.35 | zxcv | sugar* |
| 07:41.37 | ells1 | it came up as ath0 in ubuntu |
| 07:41.46 | cafuego | ells1: That requires a non-free (or not-in-debian anwyay) driver |
| 07:41.59 | Kitsok | ells1, it works perfect in Linux. Allmost sure you have to recompile kernel by yourself. Google for madWiFi project |
| 07:42.01 | zxcv | taint-alert! |
| 07:42.06 | cafuego | ells1: Ubuntu has non-0free stuff by default. Debia does not. |
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| 07:42.18 | ells1 | installed the 2.6.8 and booted int |
| 07:42.22 | ells1 | it did not work |
| 07:42.35 | ells1 | did it thru apt get |
| 07:42.37 | cafuego | ells1: Are you blind or illiterate? |
| 07:42.42 | Guerin_ | ells1: please enrol yourself in reading comprehension classes |
| 07:42.44 | ells1 | cafuego, good evening |
| 07:42.46 | Kitsok | ells1, drivers for Atheros are distributed in not-OS format. So Debian doesn't contain it |
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| 07:42.55 | ells1 | okay |
| 07:43.04 | ells1 | Kitsok, what do you recommend |
| 07:43.13 | cafuego | get a new laptop |
| 07:43.22 | ells1 | cafuego, go get a life and grow up |
| 07:43.27 | Kitsok | ells1, I recomend to download kernel sources, get madWiFi and to recompile kernel. |
| 07:43.34 | ells1 | Kitsok, thanks |
| 07:43.35 | cafuego | ells1: If I grow up more then i have, I'll be dead. |
| 07:43.44 | ells1 | cafuego, ,please hit puberty |
| 07:43.50 | Guerin_ | i think that's where he was headed |
| 07:43.54 | cafuego | ells1: From the wrong side? |
| 07:44.02 | ells1 | of what retard |
| 07:44.03 | Guerin_ | there's a movie in that |
| 07:44.06 | daww | Where can I find a list of all famous OS? |
| 07:44.15 | Guerin_ | daww: google |
| 07:44.17 | cafuego | Guerin_: "Puberty from the wrong side: The Movie" |
| 07:44.23 | sanxiyn | daww: Here's the list: Windows. |
| 07:44.30 | SlayerXP | ells1: free hint: insulting a channel op is _really stupid_ |
| 07:44.30 | Guerin_ | starring the great cthulfuego |
| 07:44.40 | cafuego | SlayerXP: I'm not a channel op. |
| 07:44.52 | pureone | http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 07:46.10 | daww | pureone, thank you |
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| 07:46.19 | Kitsok | BWT, as far as I remember there was another project of atheros drivers, fully opensourced, but I don't remember the name and doubt about status |
| 07:46.58 | Guerin_ | opensource |
| 07:47.00 | Guerin_ | bah |
| 07:47.00 | sanxiyn | daww: Some more: Windows, Linux, MacOS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OS/2, Solaris, AIX, Tru-64, HP-UX, QNX, PalmOS, VMS, AmigaOS, MS-DOS, BeOS, Hurd, RISC OS... |
| 07:47.22 | Guerin_ | you forgot CPM |
| 07:47.30 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Obviously, I forgot much. |
| 07:47.32 | Guerin_ | or whatever that thing that dos was cribbed from |
| 07:47.47 | cafuego | if you want to include infamous ones, you can't forget Plan9. |
| 07:47.56 | zxcv | haha |
| 07:47.59 | Guerin_ | minix |
| 07:48.06 | sanxiyn | Oops, missing Plan 9 was completely unintentional. |
| 07:48.12 | cafuego | See also Symbian and various other embedded OSes. |
| 07:48.23 | benjamindees | duh, OpenServer |
| 07:48.31 | benjamindees | and UnixWare |
| 07:48.34 | cafuego | SCO OpenLinux |
| 07:48.38 | sanxiyn | NetWare |
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| 07:48.49 | zxcv | stereo! |
| 07:49.13 | Kitsok | I also remember Primus (Russian VMS), S/CP (CP/M for not sure 16 bit?) and Coherent (UNIX for MicroVAX) |
| 07:49.15 | Guerin_ | UnixWarez |
| 07:49.33 | cafuego | benjamindees: I'm proud of having formatted a box and wiped an SCO product. |
| 07:50.13 | peterS | cafuego: that must have been fun |
| 07:50.13 | sanxiyn | IOS, TRON, IRIX, L4(?), Darwin, ReactOS. |
| 07:50.19 | benjamindees | cafuego, as well you should be |
| 07:50.35 | cafuego | Don't forget CherryOS! |
| 07:50.45 | sanxiyn | cafuego: Is that an OS? |
| 07:51.10 | sanxiyn | cafuego: I thought it was alleged to be architecture emulator. |
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| 07:51.40 | daww | sanxiyn, see http://www.uw-pc.com/os.html |
| 07:51.40 | cafuego | sanxiyn: Well, pearPC works fine (if slower then frozen molasses) |
| 07:51.57 | sanxiyn | daww: Oh, impressive. |
| 07:52.31 | daww | sanxiyn, I know |
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| 07:53.15 | pureone | http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/distro_list.php?id_kategory=1 |
| 07:53.27 | sanxiyn | daww: Doesn't include IOS, Tron, MorphOS, MenuetOS, etc. but whatever... |
| 07:54.16 | daww | sanxiyn, You get the point, do you have a better list to climb on |
| 07:55.09 | sanxiyn | daww: I don't have one, and I think I don't have time to maintain all the links. |
| 07:55.19 | sanxiyn | daww: Try this, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems |
| 07:55.23 | sanxiyn | (Hail Wikipedia!) |
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| 07:55.31 | benjamindees | ooh, ooh, NevyOS |
| 07:55.54 | benjamindees | the first and only closed-source Linux operating system :) |
| 07:56.00 | cafuego | NachOS |
| 07:56.16 | daww | sanxiyn, thats what I was after =) |
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| 07:56.26 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 07:57.22 | ^rob^ | from where do i set /dev/video0 to have mode 666 (udev) on boot? |
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| 07:59.49 | deadcat | ^rob^: change your name and add yourself to video group |
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| 08:01.42 | ^rob^ | deadcat: i found a better solution :) -- put MODE=0666 in /etc/udev/udevrules - on bttv line :) |
| 08:02.04 | deadcat | rob: (= |
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| 08:02.46 | zxcv | hilight me, anyone |
| 08:03.17 | ^rob^ | my flashlamp does not work - sorry! :) |
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| 08:03.31 | zxcv | haha |
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| 08:03.43 | jerome | kjmklj zxcv lk ppzepo ez ? |
| 08:03.57 | zxcv | haha, wtf |
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| 08:04.50 | cafuego | deadcat's solution is by far better |
| 08:04.52 | anirudh | Hey, I am trying to install linux for the first time. I tried to use the 2.6.11 kernel and 2.6.9 kernel, but when I load these kernels dhclient gives me the error "kernel version unrecognized". Does anyone know what is wrong, or how I can fix it? |
| 08:04.54 | ^rob^ | jerome - you have to estabilish the chipper with us - otherwise we'll see only encripted data -- LOL |
| 08:05.30 | cafuego | anirudh: Are you running debian 3.0 (woody)? |
| 08:05.46 | anirudh | cafuego yes |
| 08:05.53 | jerome | ^ebo^: tb yrnea ebg13 gura :C |
| 08:06.01 | anirudh | well...it should be the unstable version |
| 08:06.08 | cafuego | anirudh: Woody's software does not support series 2.6 kernels. use 2.4 or upgrade the system to sarge. |
| 08:06.19 | anirudh | how do I upgrade the system to sarge? |
| 08:06.26 | cafuego | (You will need to run a 2.4 kernel DURING the upgrade) |
| 08:06.36 | Senator_Palpatin | Is there a way to get Debian to have a graphical install mode like RH? |
| 08:06.41 | cafuego | !tell anirudh about woody->sarge |
| 08:06.41 | anirudh | I am on the 2.2 kernel right now, will that work? |
| 08:06.44 | Biovore | apt-dist |
| 08:06.57 | ^rob^ | edit /etc/apt/sources.list - put instead woody sarge |
| 08:06.57 | cafuego | anirudh: Should work, yes. |
| 08:07.08 | cafuego | anirudh: Do *not* upgrade to unstable. |
| 08:07.14 | pureone | kanotix maybe? |
| 08:07.18 | ^rob^ | and do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -- |
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| 08:07.29 | ricky | hmmmrpf |
| 08:07.32 | Biovore | Senator_Palpatin: No, not yet.. there working on it.. |
| 08:07.45 | visual_ | anyone knows where are xfce gtk2 themes located at? |
| 08:07.52 | visual_ | having hard time getting my themes to work |
| 08:07.57 | Biovore | art.gnome.org |
| 08:08.03 | Senator_Palpatin | ok, how about an installer that asks simple questions as opposed to forcing you to compile the damn thing like Gentoo Debian |
| 08:08.09 | visual_ | i mean in shell |
| 08:08.12 | Biovore | ah |
| 08:08.13 | visual_ | /usr/.../.../...? |
| 08:08.22 | visual_ | cafuego: im perfectly sober estonian computer nerd! |
| 08:08.29 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: In what way does the debian-installer not ask you simple questions? |
| 08:08.29 | Biovore | try /home/user/.gtk |
| 08:08.40 | Biovore | or something like that |
| 08:08.50 | anirudh | cafuego if I have been using unstable all along, how would I change to "sarge"? |
| 08:08.50 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: Also, Gentoo is NOT debian. |
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| 08:09.04 | daww | is Linux better then Digital Unix (just curious)? |
| 08:09.09 | Senator_Palpatin | ok |
| 08:09.10 | cafuego | anirudh: If you'd been using unstable all along, dhclient would be working fine. |
| 08:09.16 | Senator_Palpatin | I haven't tried to install Debian |
| 08:09.22 | visual_ | anirudh: sarge owns;) |
| 08:09.23 | Senator_Palpatin | I tried Gentoo and it was a pain in the ass |
| 08:09.29 | Biovore | daww: matter of opion |
| 08:09.29 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: You're on the wrong channel then. try #gentoo. |
| 08:09.33 | Senator_Palpatin | I wanted to ask about Debian before downlaoding a set |
| 08:09.37 | ideafix | whats "Sarge Base+Standard" frozen means ? |
| 08:09.41 | visual_ | hmm Biovore , this is not helping..i remember it was somewhere at /usr/bin/themes or something but i cant find |
| 08:09.46 | Senator_Palpatin | I am not interested in Gentoo anymore |
| 08:09.54 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: That's fine, debian questions ARE on topic here. |
| 08:09.57 | anirudh | what is the difference between sarge and "unstable"? |
| 08:10.00 | Senator_Palpatin | I am interested in Debian, but I wanted to ask about it before downloading all th CD's |
| 08:10.04 | Biovore | there is a theme installer, but I don't recalled what it is called |
| 08:10.17 | cafuego | anirudh: Sarge won't break beyond your power to fix. Unstable will. |
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| 08:10.26 | visual_ | Senator_Palpatin: floppy disc install rox! |
| 08:10.31 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: Do you have broadband internet? |
| 08:10.33 | gerardocb | Hi, ppl |
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| 08:10.48 | Senator_Palpatin | yes |
| 08:10.48 | visual_ | Senator_Palpatin: debian owns gentoo much more, esp. because of apt-get, and sarge is going to be kickass |
| 08:10.50 | daww | Biovore, I don't even know what digital unix is good for, but it sounds intresting |
| 08:10.51 | gerardocb | I can't make SMTP AUTH work on Deb Woody |
| 08:10.59 | daww | Biovore, have you tried it? |
| 08:11.03 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: You don't need to download much then. |
| 08:11.13 | ideafix | whats "Sarge Base+Standard" frozen means ? |
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| 08:11.20 | visual_ | Senator_Palpatin: and you gotta download daily images from Joey's webpage if you want to install sarge |
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| 08:11.29 | visual_ | Senator_Palpatin: woody is ancient history, sarge is the future |
| 08:11.30 | Biovore | Digital Unix is for the old Alpha boxes. I don't think they made it for x86 |
| 08:11.34 | Biovore | its old |
| 08:11.48 | cafuego | gerardocb: install postfix-tls and sasl2, make saslauthd-pam. Set up the 'smtpd' service for pam, use LOGIN method in yer mail client. |
| 08:11.50 | anirudh | cafuego thank you very much for your help! :) |
| 08:12.02 | ideafix | whats "Sarge Base+Standard" frozen means ?? |
| 08:12.13 | mirkoo | awe vii ot koq darjava ste weeee |
| 08:12.19 | visual_ | ideafix: its Sarge Base + Standard? |
| 08:12.21 | cafuego | Senator_Palpatin: There are 40Mb and 100Mb basic ISOs for a sarge install. |
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| 08:12.29 | cafuego | !tell mirkoo -about repeat |
| 08:12.37 | visual_ | cafuego: floppy install rocks any day -_- |
| 08:12.38 | mirkoo | i m to bulgeria |
| 08:12.43 | gerardocb | cafuego, it will do the work if i want my users authenticated against /etc/passwd ? |
| 08:12.43 | mirkoo | i m to bulgeria |
| 08:12.49 | cafuego | visual_: I don't think so. Got no floppy drives. |
| 08:12.53 | mirkoo | u? |
| 08:12.53 | visual_ | why waste raw cd's when you can use 3 floppies to make the work:P |
| 08:13.04 | mirkoo | kajete we ga6nici |
| 08:13.07 | mirkoo | ot kade ste |
| 08:13.08 | cafuego | gerardocb: Provided saslauthid/pam is configured properly, yes. |
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| 08:13.14 | visual_ | cafuego: oww, well i got no cd burner:P but its really not so much a difference when you got working internet connection |
| 08:13.16 | cafuego | mirkoo: This is an english language channel. |
| 08:13.32 | visual_ | mirkoo: and drunken fins language too! |
| 08:13.37 | gerardocb | Ok, let me try... |
| 08:13.37 | mirkoo | cafuego, az pak znam bg |
| 08:13.44 | mirkoo | :P~ |
| 08:13.46 | cafuego | visual_: Pas op, anders ga ik zo in het nederlands beginnen! |
| 08:13.49 | mirkoo | :))))))) |
| 08:14.03 | Senator_Palpatin | ok |
| 08:14.08 | cafuego | mirkoo: My point being, people here speak english, nor bulgarian. |
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| 08:14.35 | ideafix | freaking haxor |
| 08:14.37 | mirkoo | hallo |
| 08:14.40 | mirkoo | :) |
| 08:14.43 | mirkoo | is back |
| 08:14.59 | ideafix | FUCK OFF |
| 08:15.04 | sfinks | Debian Sarge - I have a problem with DbxConf running in Wine. Wine runs the programme but exits without working on the parameters. |
| 08:15.04 | mirkoo | dgd we |
| 08:15.13 | gerardocb | cafuego, do i have to get sasl2 from sources? |
| 08:15.18 | mirkoo | ideafix, maikati 6e iba |
| 08:15.22 | ideafix | FUCK OFF |
| 08:15.23 | visual_ | cafuego: you from netherlands? |
| 08:15.28 | mirkoo | _|_ |
| 08:15.31 | ideafix | FUCK OFF |
| 08:15.32 | cafuego | visual_: Originally, yeah. |
| 08:15.44 | visual_ | cafuego: my moms favorite football team on world championships...is netherlands:P |
| 08:15.45 | cafuego | ideafix: Really... there's no need. |
| 08:15.52 | visual_ | cafuego: i like german tho, they r ancient:P |
| 08:15.54 | gerardocb | cafuego: I'm using woody... |
| 08:15.56 | mirkoo | Biovore, na maikati ignre kaval |
| 08:16.05 | cafuego | visual_: Germany yuck ;-) |
| 08:16.06 | mirkoo | 6te va iba |
| 08:16.09 | mirkoo | v bu6menite |
| 08:16.22 | visual_ | cafuego: old school germans, like matthaus etc. they owned |
| 08:16.26 | cafuego | gerardocb: Ah, it should work with sasl1 too.. just make sure saslauthd can use pam. |
| 08:16.41 | cafuego | visual_: The ones holland used to beat all the time... haha |
| 08:16.45 | jyl57 | Hello, how to easily switch from gnome to KDE and back ?! |
| 08:16.51 | gerardocb | cafuego: I'm unable to find saslauthd |
| 08:16.53 | Biovore | easy |
| 08:16.57 | mirkoo | what time |
| 08:17.02 | cafuego | gerardocb: Let me 'ave a perv... |
| 08:17.03 | zeeble | visual_: mattheus, klinsmann and voeller? that time is gone |
| 08:17.15 | mirkoo | axa |
| 08:17.16 | cafuego | zeeble: thank fuck |
| 08:17.16 | mirkoo | qsno |
| 08:17.19 | mirkoo | :P~ |
| 08:17.23 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@thunder2.dobrich.net] by asuffield |
| 08:17.25 | cafuego | mirkoo: Please stop spamming the channel. |
| 08:17.32 | asuffield | or just sod off |
| 08:17.38 | cafuego | well, there is that |
| 08:17.41 | Biovore | jyl57: using a login manager? |
| 08:18.01 | cafuego | !find saslauthd woody |
| 08:18.03 | visual_ | zeeble: yeah those |
| 08:18.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'saslauthd' returned no results. |
| 08:18.08 | ideafix | when can i get sarge ? |
| 08:18.09 | jyl57 | Biovore, from console and in the X session |
| 08:18.13 | visual_ | zeeble: i was a little kid back then, some 10 orso, but they rocked |
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| 08:18.24 | cafuego | ideafix: Whever you change sources.list |
| 08:18.30 | Biovore | jyl57: you want it system wide or just for your user? |
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| 08:18.38 | zeeble | visual_: i was about the same age, i guess. |
| 08:18.52 | ideafix | when is sarge going stable ? |
| 08:18.53 | visual_ | zeeble: hehe |
| 08:19.00 | visual_ | ideafix: it is stable for me:) |
| 08:19.01 | jyl57 | Biovore : system wide should be better ! |
| 08:19.03 | cafuego | ideafix: whan it's ready |
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| 08:19.13 | visual_ | goddamn my dumb xfce themes dont work |
| 08:19.14 | visual_ | Win 7 |
| 08:19.32 | jyl57 | I heard about a switchkde rpm... but with Sarge ?! |
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| 08:19.50 | ideafix | were can i get into a less crowded debian channel ? |
| 08:19.56 | cafuego | jyl57: Just run gdm. Pick KDE or Gnome when you login. |
| 08:19.58 | Biovore | for the user its easy, just edit $home/.startx |
| 08:20.01 | cafuego | ideafix: #debian-solo |
| 08:20.21 | nagual | ideafix: #ideafix´s-debchannel |
| 08:20.36 | visual_ | lol:P |
| 08:20.38 | jyl57 | cafuego : but when I'm already logged ?! |
| 08:20.46 | visual_ | pwned by carl winslowned? |
| 08:20.48 | visual_ | zomg? |
| 08:21.04 | cafuego | jyl57: Logout, pick KDE or Gnome, login. |
| 08:21.21 | visual_ | jyl57: zomg KDE/Gnome? using Xfce4 *blink blink* |
| 08:21.28 | cafuego | jyl57: That's going to be a hell of a lot less painful that switchign a running KDE system to Gnome without logging out. |
| 08:21.30 | visual_ | jyl57: and xdm! |
| 08:21.42 | visual_ | cafuego: drunker netherlander! |
| 08:21.48 | rob^ | ideafix, create your own :) |
| 08:21.55 | ideafix | whasts de sabl‡e debian kernel ? |
| 08:22.15 | cafuego | gerardocb: Have a look at pwcheck (I can't remember if that works with pam directly - if not, compile sasl2 from source) I used to use that, but with mysql auth. |
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| 08:22.48 | kenboo | let me ask again.. is select count(*) always seq scan? |
| 08:22.48 | cafuego | ideafix: 2.4.18-1 |
| 08:22.57 | kenboo | uh wrong channel. |
| 08:22.58 | kenboo | sorry |
| 08:23.00 | gerardocb | cafuego: ok... I'll try that... thank you |
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| 08:23.22 | ideafix | any one wanna join #debianize ? it me brand new channel ! |
| 08:23.29 | cafuego | visual_: Not yet! |
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| 08:24.13 | kneet | ideafix, if you advertise it won't it get too crowded? |
| 08:24.35 | ideafix | i dont know i didnt make it yet |
| 08:24.41 | cafuego | ideafix: Advertising other channels here isn't topical. And it's spam. |
| 08:25.11 | ideafix | cafuego: you keep spaming chat |
| 08:25.24 | visual_ | ideafix: join #debian-porn !!! |
| 08:25.36 | cafuego | ideafix: I keep helping people, there's a difference. |
| 08:25.46 | ideafix | you there naked visual_ ? |
| 08:25.55 | visual_ | ideafix: yeah and my webcam running -_- |
| 08:26.06 | nagual | ideafix: sure, ill join, you seem like a nice guy. |
| 08:26.10 | visual_ | cafuego: im helping too! im helping ppl to cure boredom! |
| 08:26.11 | ideafix | FUCK YOU |
| 08:26.13 | nagual | ideafix: please let me into the channel! |
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| 08:26.44 | cafuego | ideafix: You need to perhaps take a chill pill, or some other medication. |
| 08:26.55 | visual_ | cafuego: nah he needs a "chilli pill" :D |
| 08:27.02 | ideafix | you need to FUCK OFF |
| 08:27.17 | visual_ | ideafix: in wich way i fuck off to? |
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| 08:27.29 | cafuego | ideafix: Did you notice what happened to mirboo earlier? |
| 08:27.31 | ideafix | visual_: |
| 08:27.39 | ideafix | cafuego: |
| 08:27.44 | ideafix | nagual: |
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| 08:28.10 | visual_ | ideafix: leave us nerds alone pls? dont make us go jerk off somewhere, let us talk our nerd talk! |
| 08:28.29 | rob^ | heh |
| 08:28.47 | cafuego | visual_: Pff, speak for yourself. |
| 08:28.48 | ideafix | phreakin HAXORS |
| 08:28.57 | rob^ | k |
| 08:29.07 | visual_ | cafuego: im speaking for the people!:D |
| 08:29.22 | cafuego | visual_: There are no people here, only us, bots. |
| 08:29.31 | ideafix | i think visual_ is an idiot |
| 08:29.37 | ideafix | t im sure |
| 08:29.38 | visual_ | cafuego: im not a nerd tho, im just having fun learning linux wich i have always liked, and i dont jerk off, tho sometimes my gf jerks off for me:) |
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| 08:29.44 | ideafix | so is nagual |
| 08:29.44 | visual_ | ideafix: and who are you then? |
| 08:29.44 | cafuego | ideafix: And I think you're a troll. Kindly desist. |
| 08:29.47 | rob^ | cafuego, good one |
| 08:29.51 | nagual | how do you know that? |
| 08:30.07 | visual_ | cafuego: troll? trolls pwnz, that kid is a hobbit with furry feet |
| 08:30.11 | ideafix | and rob^ is a bastard |
| 08:30.16 | rob^ | heh |
| 08:30.20 | cafuego | !ops troll alert |
| 08:30.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: troll alert |
| 08:30.32 | visual_ | gig |
| 08:30.43 | rob^ | were you the guy who did the rm thing? |
| 08:31.01 | cafuego | I once did rm -rf / as root, yes. |
| 08:31.14 | rob^ | ideafix? |
| 08:31.28 | kneet | cafuego, but - did you mean to? |
| 08:31.42 | cafuego | kneet: No, I didn't. |
| 08:32.01 | rob^ | cafuego: I think hes they guy who was annoying me so I told him to do it to /home as root.. and guess what. |
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| 08:32.13 | kneet | Have to say - after typing that I was wondering if there is ever a reason to do so |
| 08:32.19 | visual_ | !troll |
| 08:32.19 | dpkg | troll is, like, a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 08:32.24 | cafuego | rob^: That nearly as naughty as what I once did. |
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| 08:32.55 | visual_ | !elf |
| 08:32.55 | dpkg | somebody said elf was information on ELF can be found at ftp://tsx.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/ELF.doc.tar.gz,text doc here: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/ELF.txt. |
| 08:32.59 | visual_ | !hobbit |
| 08:33.02 | visual_ | !orc |
| 08:33.03 | dpkg | it has been said that orc is bigger than a kobold but smaller than a hobgoblin |
| 08:33.09 | cafuego | !botabuse |
| 08:33.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 08:33.11 | visual_ | dpkg: is smarg! |
| 08:33.13 | pink1 | Debian Sarge - I have a problem with DbxConf running in Wine. Wine runs the programme but exits without working on the parameters. |
| 08:33.16 | visual_ | smart* |
| 08:33.28 | cafuego | visual_: /msg dpkg <foo> also works. |
| 08:33.31 | visual_ | pink1: mmmmmmmm wine....wich one? |
| 08:33.42 | visual_ | pink1: red or white? dry or liquid? |
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| 08:33.51 | visual_ | cafuego: not for me! |
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| 08:34.01 | cafuego | bob2: cheers, have a Fosters. |
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| 08:34.40 | ideafix | why are you annoing ppl on this channel ? |
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| 08:35.06 | oliver_ | join #gnome |
| 08:35.10 | oliver_ | sorry |
| 08:35.11 | oliver_ | :) |
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| 08:35.15 | cafuego | oliver_: I don't want to! |
| 08:35.23 | oliver_ | :p |
| 08:35.41 | oliver_ | cafuego: mock me then, see what i care :p |
| 08:35.47 | cafuego | !mock oliver_ |
| 08:35.54 | oliver_ | hehe |
| 08:36.07 | oliver_ | i didn't even know that existed |
| 08:36.34 | oliver_ | :) |
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| 08:38.15 | Plastic | hi all, I have problems starting X. It worked before I rebooted, but now I get errors saying that the mouse on /dev/something/psaux can't be found. I have a PS2 mouse. What should the mouse section of the X config file look like? |
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| 08:39.04 | Zvpun | Plastic: what about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 08:39.06 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:39.09 | bob2 | run that |
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| 08:39.58 | poncha|work | hm |
| 08:40.12 | peterS | Plastic: /dev/psaux is the device name you need, assuming your mouse is PS/2 |
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| 08:40.40 | peterS | Plastic: also, if you are running a 2.6 kernel, you will need to load some modules. 'mousedev' and 'psmouse' in particular, for a PS/2 mouse |
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| 08:42.00 | omry | is that normal the kdeinit listens on vnc ports (5900, 5800) using ipv6? |
| 08:42.08 | poncha|work | apt-get install horde2 imp3 ->> The following packages will be REMOVED: cyrus21-admin cyrus21-imapd webcyradm , The following NEW packages will be installed: cyrus-admin libpam-mysql tcl8.3 ... why does it want to remove imapd ? broken dependencies here? (it shows it depends on cyrus-imapd , and prolly cyrus21-imapd is not sufficient for it) |
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| 08:43.14 | cafuego | ARRGH! |
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| 08:43.29 | cafuego | I want to order a pizza and all google finds is damn wifi hotspots |
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| 08:43.38 | poncha|work | haha |
| 08:43.45 | ferris | what is the tar command for a tar.bz2? |
| 08:43.58 | cafuego | ferris: 'j' instead of 'z' |
| 08:44.25 | ferris | i do not remember all of the switches |
| 08:44.35 | ferris | jvxf? |
| 08:44.39 | cafuego | ferris: xfj to extract, cfj to create. See also 'man tar'. |
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| 08:45.18 | poncha|work | any idea what cyrus version is now shipped as package "cyrus-imapd" ? still old, or 2.1.x was promoted ? |
| 08:45.36 | vasily | \list |
| 08:45.45 | poncha|work | right |
| 08:45.55 | cafuego | poncha|work: I suppose that's as good areason as any to upgrade to courier. |
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| 08:46.15 | poncha|work | cafuego, courier.. are you kidding? :) |
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| 08:46.44 | cafuego | poncha|work: I've used both, courier is much nicer. None of that point-of-failure binary db3 shit |
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| 08:48.00 | poncha|work | cafuego, em.. donno, cyrus runs pretty much good for me .. not a large number of mailboxes (read, users), but large mailboxes indeed... ~500-1000M .. |
| 08:48.07 | cafuego | And now I must go and drive to the pizza place, as all I can *still* find are references to its WiFi hotspot, not a damn menu. |
| 08:48.33 | cafuego | poncha|work: I had /var/spool fill up once with cyrus, that causes the DB files to corrupt. |
| 08:48.33 | Phlax_teh_Planet | howdy y'all |
| 08:48.35 | zeeble | time for my lunch too |
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| 08:48.54 | cafuego | poncha|work: My courier mailbox is around 3GB, no issues. |
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| 08:49.25 | poncha|work | cafuego, you mean when it comes to diskspace ? shouldn't be a problem.. ;) |
| 08:49.53 | cafuego | poncha|work: Shouldn't != won't. |
| 08:49.57 | boycer | Morning all. I'm having some NIS/yp password issues - new passwords are being encrypted as 34 characters long, old are 13, new ones can't be used with solaris clients. Server is running sarge. Any ideas how to get back to 13? |
| 08:50.14 | cafuego | boycer: disable md5 passwords |
| 08:50.18 | Phlax_teh_Planet | yea |
| 08:50.29 | boycer | cafuego: cheers, will try it :) |
| 08:50.30 | poncha|work | cafuego, true, indeed.. but well, "shit happens" all the time.. you never know where it will come from till it does :) |
| 08:50.44 | cafuego | poncha|work: unexpected shit anyway ;-) |
| 08:51.01 | poncha|work | expected shit wou;dn't have happened after all ;) |
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| 08:51.15 | cafuego | poncha|work: it happens every morning at 9am <heh? |
| 08:51.19 | danboid | Hi! |
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| 08:51.45 | cafuego | toilet humour is so droll |
| 08:51.48 | poncha|work | cafuego, that's not shit.. that is a disaster :) |
| 08:51.49 | cafuego | as are dutch puns |
| 08:53.05 | poncha|work | so.. in case i am willing to stay with "the precious" cyrus .. ;) (and not kill it by installing horde) , what webmail (imap of course) would you suggest? |
| 08:53.25 | boycer | cafuego: that did it - cheers! |
| 08:53.32 | poncha|work | and, i'd prefer an ability to auth through pam :) |
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| 08:53.54 | poncha|work | oh, nvm, it will auth into cyrus and it already does pam |
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| 08:54.35 | trogger | I'd like a text based tool to tell me from a Maildir or imap server if I have new messages, and preferably who from. Any ideas? |
| 08:54.45 | danboid | I've got a deb which won't install (kdeedu-data) because another package already installed (kdebase-data) contains the same .png file. How do I tell apt-get to overwrite it, or fix it otherwise? -f install did nothing. |
| 08:55.20 | froh | hi, when using nvidia (1.0-7167) instead of "nv", my xserver fails after printing "Initializing extension GLX" in the logs. Error on console is "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting" |
| 08:55.33 | froh | debian testing |
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| 08:56.37 | Zvpun | trogger: use bash and MAILPATH |
| 08:56.48 | Zvpun | trogger: ups, sry forget it |
| 08:57.12 | peterS | froh: we can't support the non-free nvidia driver. even if we wanted to, it doesn't come with source code so nobody except nvidia can do anything about it |
| 08:57.22 | Zvpun | danboid: how about rm the png file (or mv it) |
| 08:57.28 | nomad_cz | danboid: dpkg -force-overwrite -i ? ;) |
| 08:57.30 | Ditto | hmmmm odd gnome problem |
| 08:57.44 | peterS | nomad_cz: I think you mean --force-overwrite |
| 08:58.01 | Ditto | gnome freezes up after about 10 minutes of use |
| 08:58.10 | nomad_cz | peterS: It is likely ;) |
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| 08:58.35 | froh | peterS: so this is a known problem? |
| 08:58.42 | danboid | zvpun/nomad:Think I'll try deleting the png first, thanks |
| 08:58.54 | Ditto | i.e after about 10 minutes any menus i try and use or buttons i click on will cause that app to freeze |
| 08:58.56 | peterS | froh: a driver that doesn't come with source code is a known problem. a severe enough problem that we don't allow that driver to be in debian |
| 08:59.12 | Ditto | it however starts off with all the time gnome-panel |
| 08:59.16 | peterS | froh: the specific crash you report is not something I've heard of. the nvidia driver is reputed to be quite good in general |
| 09:00.38 | froh | peterS: i wonder if i am missing any needed packages, it worked last time this was a debian box a few months ago |
| 09:01.03 | nomad_cz | danboid: I do not think it will help - deleting this file ;) |
| 09:01.39 | Ditto | anyone have any idea on how to solve it? |
| 09:01.48 | danboid | Hmm, is there a --force-overwrite command or similiar for apt-get too? The .deb is on a server somewhere.. |
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| 09:02.09 | trogger | danboid: if you have used apt-get, it will be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:02.10 | danboid | --force-overwrite is a dpkg command |
| 09:04.09 | nomad_cz | danboid: apt-get -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-overwrite" ? |
| 09:04.26 | nomad_cz | danboid: But I have not tried it myself ;) |
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| 09:08.23 | danboid | Hmm, ok. I think these problems I'm having are because I didn't remove my old KDE before getting this new one |
| 09:09.20 | danboid | Would apt-get remove kde, then re-installing kde sort this out? Would that command totally uninstall kde (but not QT)? |
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| 09:10.02 | danboid | I'm having conflicts between kdeedu 3.3.2 and kdebase-data 3.4rc1 |
| 09:11.05 | danboid | So, what I'm after is a clean install of 3.4 |
| 09:12.17 | sid | exit |
| 09:12.20 | sid | bye |
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| 09:13.03 | SlayerXP | i didn't realise kde 3.4 was in stable yet |
| 09:13.08 | SlayerXP | err in testing, I mean |
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| 09:13.36 | danboid | its not, I got a repository entry from the #debian-kde channel |
| 09:13.49 | danboid | couldn't wait any longer! |
| 09:15.47 | bob2 | danboid: beat whoever made your kde packages |
| 09:15.49 | bob2 | they're buggy |
| 09:15.56 | bob2 | oh well |
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| 09:19.53 | Pred1 | !md5 |
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| 09:19.55 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 09:20.14 | Pred1 | !find md5 |
| 09:20.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'md5' (5): cl-md5 ;; crack-md5 ;; libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl ;; libmd5-perl ;; libsasl-digestmd5. |
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| 09:21.03 | peterS | !find bin/md5sum |
| 09:21.05 | peterS | is that what you meant? |
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| 09:21.13 | mr_claus | moin |
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| 09:21.57 | mr_claus | ich versuche gerade einen matrox parhelia treiber zu kompilieren, mit kernel 2.6.8 geht es und mit 2.6.11.3 nicht, hat sich da eventuell etwas grundliegendes beim kernel geändert? |
| 09:22.11 | mr_claus | ups, sorry, wrong channel |
| 09:22.33 | visual_ | hmm how i change backround for xfce? |
| 09:22.37 | Pred1 | i want encrypted passwords to my virtual mail users, but according to the doc the builtin mysql crypter isnt good |
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| 09:23.03 | mr_claus | i try to to install the matrox perhelia driver with kernel version 2.6.11.3 and its not running, with kernel version 2.6.8 it worked, was there some basic things changed in the new kernel version? |
| 09:23.07 | JYL57 | Hello again ! New user just created doen't appear on "Welcome to Linux at..." user list, why ?! |
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| 09:23.31 | JYL57 | I can logg in correctly with this new use id though |
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| 09:23.41 | Zvpun | JYL57: Do you mean they dont appear in the kdm user list? |
| 09:23.41 | peterS | mr_claus: if this is a non-free driver with a kernel component, you are really on your own. do Matrox support kernel 2.6.11? |
| 09:24.01 | bbbman | hey can someone help me please |
| 09:24.10 | bbbman | i think i mis configured my monitor |
| 09:24.14 | mr_claus | petemc: i dont know, they support kerneltree 2.6 |
| 09:24.21 | mr_claus | peterS: |
| 09:24.29 | bbbman | on install, and it will not work with a gui. |
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| 09:24.48 | JYL57 | Zvpun Not sure to get you clearly... what is the kdm user list ?! |
| 09:24.49 | bbbman | how can i re-configure it please |
| 09:24.51 | Ditto | gnome seems to act odd after about 10 minutes, after that if i try to use any menus that program freezes, it also always seems to be gnome-panel that freezes first |
| 09:24.54 | peterS | mr_claus: well, you didn't get the parhelia driver from Debian. you really should find out from Matrox whether they support the kernel you want to run. I doubt we can help you much, unfortunately |
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| 09:25.07 | Zvpun | JYL57: what user list did you refere originally? |
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| 09:25.25 | mr_claus | peterS: is there a parhelia driver from debian available? |
| 09:25.26 | lestest | hi there ... what tar options do I need to backup a intere filesystem? |
| 09:25.31 | bbbman | can someone please tell me where i can change my monitor settings |
| 09:25.35 | mr_claus | peterS: i would use that one instead |
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| 09:25.42 | lestest | intere=whole |
| 09:25.56 | JYL57 | Zvpun: Not a long list in fact, just root and 1 or 2 users... root doesn't stand also anymore on the list |
| 09:25.56 | tomb0y | bbbman: on the front of your monitor *grin* |
| 09:26.06 | jerome | mr_claus: I don't know if matrox drivers support parhelia |
| 09:26.09 | bbbman | ehh i mean software wise |
| 09:26.20 | peterS | mr_claus: I'm not sure of the state of XFree86 and matrox drivers. Certainly there isn't an XFree86 driver with full 3D accel. you could check http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 09:26.22 | bbbman | i get a signal out of range. |
| 09:26.31 | Zvpun | JYL57: What list? Where is this list? Is it the login manager? if so, what login manager are you using, kdm? |
| 09:26.32 | jerome | mr_claus: I'm afraid they are g* specific :/ |
| 09:26.49 | JYL57 | I'm talking about the default X screen before choosing KDE, Gnome or other. |
| 09:27.10 | bbbman | can someone please help me out. :( its urgent |
| 09:27.18 | JYL57 | I did add the user with KUser |
| 09:27.28 | mr_claus | ok, i try to check it out, thx |
| 09:27.58 | Zvpun | bbbman: monitor settings belonge to X AFAIK, so you should try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 09:28.00 | JYL57 | Zvpun, thank for your patience ! ;-) How to know which login manager am I running ?! |
| 09:28.40 | bbbman | thanks. |
| 09:28.51 | Zvpun | JYL57: during system startup you can see it on the screen. You can also try "ps aux|grep dm" |
| 09:30.38 | JYL57 | Zvpun I'm seeing a "K Desktop Environment" icon on the loggin screen |
| 09:30.39 | mr_claus | jerome: peterS: in the matrox forum one guy talk about structural changes in kernel version 2.6.11.x and thats the reason why it's not running anymore |
| 09:31.01 | mr_claus | no solution yet, but i hope it will be fixed in near future :) |
| 09:31.21 | peterS | mr_claus: that's the price the hardware vendors pay for not providing free drivers or support for free drivers. they have to port their drivers whenever the kernel changes. and in many cases nobody can really help them with that |
| 09:31.24 | JYL57 | the "ps aux | grep dm" didn't answer anything... was it dm * ?! |
| 09:31.36 | bbbman | for choosing my mouse port if i have a usb mouse, should i use /dev/input/mice? |
| 09:31.46 | mosty | bbbman, yeah |
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| 09:32.53 | Zvpun | JYL57: gd would match kdm, gdm, xdm. These are all display managers/grafical login managers |
| 09:32.56 | mr_claus | peterS: i know, but which graphic hardware i could use with featured oss-drivers? |
| 09:33.09 | Zvpun | JYL57: I suppose you run kdm if you see a K Desktop Environment logo |
| 09:33.27 | Zvpun | JYL57: now, go on, open the control center in KDE |
| 09:33.34 | peterS | mr_claus: using 3D graphics hardware to its full potential - I think you'd be stuck with older-generation stuff like ATI Radeon 9200 or so |
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| 09:33.52 | peterS | mr_claus: I really don't know details - I have little interest in 3D graphics myself |
| 09:34.01 | JYL57 | Zvpun, Ok ! I'm also thinking of using kdm now ! |
| 09:34.21 | jerome | mr_claus: not do you mean "doesn't work" ? matroxfb or mga_vid or the matrox drm module ? I posted the matroxfb problem the day .11.2 was released but I have no problem with the others :/ |
| 09:34.45 | Zvpun | JYL57: and find the kdm page. kde control center has a nice search feature. |
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| 09:35.21 | mr_claus | jerome: the compilation of the mtx.ko kernel module is not workingg |
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| 09:36.28 | jerome | mr_claus: humpf, I had no problem with .11.2 :/ Lemme check. |
| 09:36.30 | JYL57 | Zvpun, thank !! |
| 09:36.40 | Zvpun | JYL57: did you find it? |
| 09:36.59 | suzzi | hello all |
| 09:37.12 | directhex | mr_claus, the radeon 9200 is the best you can get with fully open drivers. unfortunately 1) it's ass 2) the drivers are still pretty slow & poorly featured, especially in xfree86 4.3 |
| 09:37.31 | suzzi | any one know how I can change the default group for a user, so that when they create a file it's part of that group? |
| 09:37.46 | JYL57 | Zvpun, yes I'm logged in "Login Manager" and found the user mangement screen ! |
| 09:37.50 | Zvpun | suzzi: vigr as root |
| 09:37.57 | Zvpun | JYL57: nice. have fun |
| 09:38.00 | suzzi | Zvpun: cool thanks |
| 09:38.41 | jerome | I'm pretty happy with my G550. mda_vid is great for video&dvd, directfb works like a charm, but it's said to be real lame for doom-like's |
| 09:38.44 | MobyTurbo | directhex: what's the 2D acceleration for ATI versus nvidia open source drivers? (nvidia non-free drivers no longer support my TNT2 M64 card.) |
| 09:39.05 | mr_claus | jerome: thats the link into the forum http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewtopic.php?p=73657#73657 |
| 09:39.23 | JYL57 | Zvpun, the user I added doesn't figure in the "Login Manager" user list... ;-( |
| 09:39.44 | mr_claus | jerome: but .. i use 2.6.11.3 and not 2.6.11.2, i dont know if it is important |
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| 09:39.51 | directhex | MobyTurbo, your TNT2 is listed in the readme for the latest nvidia drivers |
| 09:39.54 | bbbman | is there a firefox .deb package |
| 09:40.00 | Zvpun | JYL57: is the user you added in /etc/passwd? |
| 09:40.23 | bbbman | nevermind |
| 09:40.27 | jerome | mr_claus: mtx.ko is not an official branch module ? I was thinking you were talking about mga.ko |
| 09:40.32 | MobyTurbo | directhex: yes, I saw that they claimed to have fixed the problem. The driver still doesn't work. |
| 09:40.59 | mr_claus | jerome: yes, mtx.mo is the module of the matrox drivers 1.4.0 |
| 09:41.02 | JYL57 | Zvpun, sorry ! I didn't checked the System UID's range for user list ! Tricky ! |
| 09:41.05 | directhex | MobyTurbo, and i can't say i've noticed ati 2d acceleration. the 2 times i've wanted to use ati under linux, one card was buggered, the other wouldn't display tv-out if i used ati as opposed to vesa, so i just used vesa |
| 09:41.18 | mr_claus | jerome: you're using the parhelia with mga drivers? |
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| 09:41.29 | directhex | parhelia is closed-source only |
| 09:41.40 | directhex | more closed than even nvidia |
| 09:42.21 | jerome | mr_claus: nope. I use g*50 |
| 09:42.23 | suzzi | Zvpun: I dont know if I just missed something but vigr didnt seem to be the answer |
| 09:42.57 | MobyTurbo | directhex: I guess all video cards suck in one way or another. |
| 09:42.58 | suzzi | I want to have user1, user2 and user3 to be part of group class and when any one writes a file I want it to be assigned to group class. |
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| 09:43.16 | suzzi | of if there is a way that I can force a dir to allways be group class . |
| 09:43.18 | mosty | directhex: my radeon9000 seems to perform well (2D) with xfree4.3 |
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| 09:43.47 | mosty | suzzi: make the dir setgid and owned by the group you want the files inside to default to |
| 09:43.53 | directhex | mosty, honestly? i don't care. i like 3d, and DRI doesn't cut it |
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| 09:44.13 | suzzi | mosty: where would I read up on setgid? |
| 09:44.26 | Zvpun | suzzi: with vigr you edit /etc/groups which maps groups to users, why was it not helpful? |
| 09:44.30 | mosty | suzzi: man chmod, chmod g+s foo |
| 09:44.42 | suzzi | cool thanks mosty |
| 09:44.56 | mosty | suzzi: that only works for files created inside the "foo" directory |
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| 09:45.06 | bbbman | ok so i install mozilla-firefox |
| 09:45.17 | suzzi | mosty: that will work perfectly |
| 09:45.17 | bbbman | and i want to get rid of the regular mozilla broweser |
| 09:45.25 | bbbman | how would i do such a thing without messing up other dependences |
| 09:46.19 | MobyTurbo | bbbman: apt-get remove mozilla-browser |
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| 09:46.56 | bbbman | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:46.56 | bbbman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.56 | bbbman | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:47.20 | jm_ | those are just meta packages |
| 09:47.25 | mosty | bbbman: either remove those packages, or leave mozilla installed |
| 09:47.26 | jm_ | except for mozilla stuff |
| 09:47.39 | MobyTurbo | bbbman: except epiphany those are meta packages |
| 09:47.50 | bbbman | oh ok so it will not break anything? |
| 09:48.11 | directhex | it'll break epiphany |
| 09:48.13 | mosty | bbbman: if it would break anything, that would appear as dependencies too |
| 09:48.13 | MobyTurbo | bbbman: it will break epiphany, the rest is fine. |
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| 09:48.21 | bbbman | besides that. ok thanks guys |
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| 09:52.02 | brosio | hi anyone use dvd to encode dvd ? |
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| 09:52.36 | bbbman | k and just one more question |
| 09:52.36 | bbbman | can i apt-get the latest kernel>? |
| 09:52.40 | directhex | if you want. |
| 09:52.45 | directhex | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 09:52.48 | brosio | ops |
| 09:52.55 | nagual | actually the answer to that question is usually no :) |
| 09:52.59 | brosio | hi anyone use dvdrip to make divx ? |
| 09:53.08 | directhex | brosio, i have done in the past. |
| 09:53.23 | bbbman | what is the best way to get the most up to date kernel |
| 09:53.34 | brosio | directhex, u have try divx5 or xvid ? |
| 09:53.36 | fourcheeze | bbbman, kernel.org |
| 09:53.40 | directhex | bbbman, do you NEED a kernel not supplied by your debian release? |
| 09:53.43 | bbbman | compiling it myself? |
| 09:53.47 | brosio | do u remember the number of frame that u have ? |
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| 09:53.51 | bbbman | not exactly |
| 09:53.51 | directhex | brosio, xvid. it's Free, and gives better image quality |
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| 09:54.07 | bbbman | i would just like to be up to date preformance wise and security |
| 09:54.19 | edon | hmm why sqlite package hasn't the sqlite.pc file? |
| 09:54.25 | bbbman | and i notice some dameons that run durning start give an error saying they need the newest kernel |
| 09:54.29 | directhex | bbbman, you'll be more secure running the latest kernel in debian than having to chase new kernel releases yourself |
| 09:54.39 | brosio | directhex, but u remember how many frame/sec do u have ? |
| 09:54.48 | bbbman | ok then |
| 09:54.55 | directhex | brosio, during the encoding phase? |
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| 09:55.07 | brosio | directhex, yes |
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| 09:55.21 | brosio | i have an amd64 and i get 20 frame sec |
| 09:55.33 | directhex | brosio, not many at all, but I use completely excessive quality settings, filters, motion detection, 2-pass, etc. maybe 10 tops. |
| 09:55.38 | brosio | i want to have some comparation |
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| 09:55.46 | edon | which package has the sqlite.pc file? |
| 09:55.50 | edon | sqlite doesn't |
| 09:55.52 | directhex | !find sqlite.pc |
| 09:55.57 | brosio | directhex, cpu ? |
| 09:55.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sqlite.pc' (1): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/sqlite.pc) in libdevel/libsqlite0-dev. |
| 09:56.03 | directhex | brosio, 2.26ghz p4 |
| 09:56.10 | edon | nice |
| 09:56.13 | bbbman | this kernel isnt two years old? |
| 09:56.18 | bbbman | if im using sarge? |
| 09:56.23 | directhex | bbbman, WHAT kernel? |
| 09:56.35 | bbbman | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 09:56.46 | brosio | thx |
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| 09:56.56 | directhex | bbbman, you should update that to a) a -2- kernel b) your subarch |
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| 09:57.11 | directhex | but no, it's not old. if you're upset about 2.4, 2.6 is also in sarge |
| 09:57.22 | directhex | as you'd know if you'd run apt-cache search kernel-image like i said |
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| 09:57.47 | bbbman | thx buddy |
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| 09:57.58 | toni | erver irc.gamesurge.net |
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| 10:04.17 | visual_ | anyone knows how to make taskbar/panel transparent in xfce4 running on xfree86? |
| 10:04.21 | tosh| | anyone running vsftpd with a working hide_file={} line? |
| 10:04.37 | tosh| | visual_ don't think thats possible |
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| 10:05.40 | directhex | visual_, you can't. you need xorg for transparency |
| 10:05.55 | Sjimmie | what mail program is THE BEST for use under KDE? |
| 10:06.01 | Sjimmie | or just for linux :) |
| 10:06.13 | Penix | !best |
| 10:06.13 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:06.29 | visual_ | is xorg better than xfree? |
| 10:06.45 | Sjimmie | what is the most popular mail client for linux? |
| 10:06.48 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 10:06.54 | visual_ | Sjimmie: pine! |
| 10:06.56 | Sjimmie | and can import .pst files |
| 10:07.02 | Sjimmie | and looks like outlook? :d |
| 10:07.04 | zxcv | pine <3 |
| 10:07.07 | visual_ | directhex: should i use xorg instead of xfree86? |
| 10:07.07 | Sjimmie | preferbly :) |
| 10:07.12 | Rydekull | Mozilla Thunderbird? |
| 10:07.18 | Sjimmie | hmmm ok lets check pine |
| 10:07.19 | visual_ | Sjimmie: yeah thunderbird pwnzj00 |
| 10:07.26 | Sjimmie | or thunderbird =/ |
| 10:07.32 | visual_ | Sjimmie: pine is a "terminal mail client" very quick and simple |
| 10:07.35 | Rydekull | well, ya said looks like outlook |
| 10:07.38 | Rydekull | so thunderbird |
| 10:07.51 | Sjimmie | aight |
| 10:07.58 | Penix | Sjimmie: there's evolution, thunderbird, sylpheed, mutt, kmail |
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| 10:08.02 | Sjimmie | ahhh no, i want a frontend |
| 10:08.05 | Penix | way too many |
| 10:08.12 | Sjimmie | indeed so i cant pick =/ |
| 10:08.18 | tosh| | anyone running vsftpd? |
| 10:08.41 | Penix | Sjimmie: if you want a KDE app, then kmail. if you want a Gtk one, evolution or sylpheed |
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| 10:09.08 | directhex | xorg has features such as transparency. |
| 10:09.33 | directhex | visual_, ^^ |
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| 10:09.43 | directhex | visual_, and some other features too. but it's not in debian |
| 10:10.38 | Sjimmie | hmmm :) |
| 10:10.46 | zxcv | doesn't apt have pine binaries? |
| 10:10.54 | visual_ | directhex: xorg transp. works for debian or? |
| 10:11.00 | visual_ | zxcv: must have:P |
| 10:11.06 | Sjimmie | thunderbird also isnt a deb package yet :) |
| 10:11.26 | Penix | Sinistrad: yes it is |
| 10:11.35 | mosty | sjimmie, it has been for ages |
| 10:11.36 | Rydekull | totally depends if ya run sarge or nae |
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| 10:11.53 | zxcv | straaange. |
| 10:11.55 | Rydekull | or is it in sarge now aswell? |
| 10:12.01 | bbbman | if i have an AMD athlon, as far as kernels go should i get the 2.6.8-2-386, 2.6.8-2-686, or 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:12.06 | valdyn_ | !info mozilla-thunderbird sarge |
| 10:12.11 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 11266 kB, Installed size: 32911 kB |
| 10:12.12 | mosty | bbbman: k7 |
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| 10:12.16 | Rydekull | zxcv: they are only on certain repositories |
| 10:12.24 | Sjimmie | oh :x |
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| 10:13.08 | directhex | visual_, no. xorg transparency works in xorg. |
| 10:13.12 | directhex | zxcv, pine is non-free |
| 10:13.14 | visual_ | hmm, anyone knows if Xorg is faster than Xfree86? |
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| 10:13.24 | visual_ | im having slow comp, and maybe Xorg makes things more slow? |
| 10:13.25 | bbbman | mosty you sure even though i have Athlon and not K7 |
| 10:13.37 | directhex | bbbman, athlon _IS_ k7 :| |
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| 10:13.50 | mosty | bbbman: what directhex said |
| 10:13.51 | bbbman | lol oh, ok thanks |
| 10:13.56 | valdyn_ | visual_: if you do not use the shadow trash, then it shouldnt be slower. Its a little faster for me. |
| 10:14.13 | visual_ | valdyn_: ok thx |
| 10:14.16 | bbbman | not 2.6.8-2-k7-smp right? |
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| 10:14.56 | mosty | bbbman: not unless you have an SMP machine. if you don't know what that is, you don't have one |
| 10:15.10 | bbbman | ok |
| 10:15.22 | zxcv | aaah, directhex |
| 10:15.26 | zxcv | that explains a lot |
| 10:15.27 | zxcv | :) |
| 10:15.35 | valdyn_ | bbbman: smp kernel are for p4 w/ smt too |
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| 10:16.12 | bbbman | and i just do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-K7 |
| 10:16.14 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.32 | yoni | for those who helped before, many thanks ! Debian is running and my linux box+xp box are connected ! |
| 10:16.43 | visual | hrmpf |
| 10:16.47 | visual | theres no xorg package for debian? |
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| 10:16.52 | bbbman | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:16.56 | bbbman | ur awesome |
| 10:17.01 | Penix | visual: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 10:17.09 | tosh| | thats not possible |
| 10:17.13 | tosh| | the universe is awesome |
| 10:17.16 | yoni | where can i find some help about proper and "must do" update ? |
| 10:17.27 | directhex | visual, i'm sure i said that 5 minutes ago |
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| 10:23.15 | streuner | !test |
| 10:23.15 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
| 10:23.22 | renegad3 | !mandrake |
| 10:23.22 | dpkg | mandrake is an extended version of Redhat that supports Kde. It is very nice and easy to use for new users and power users alike. It also pays many developers to work on Kde. Linux-Mandrake is found at mandrake.com. One of Enlightenment's main developers is also known as mandrake. easily and advisedly upgradeable to Debian ;), or "oh no... the duck distribution", or like a peugeot, but on your desk, or a piece of shit |
| 10:23.30 | streuner | Only idlers here? |
| 10:23.49 | peterS | yes |
| 10:23.51 | fourcheeze | streuner, who are you calling an idler? |
| 10:23.59 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:24.02 | streuner | ok |
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| 10:25.19 | streuner | Someone asked about pictures of the debian CeBIT (Debian), in toimars gallery are some, but they are of 2004 |
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| 10:27.17 | streuner | http://gallery.schmehl.info/gallery/cebit2004 |
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| 10:29.07 | vox-2 | no 2005 cebit galleries ? |
| 10:29.13 | vox-2 | yet ? |
| 10:29.45 | streuner | no - unfortently there aren't any yet |
| 10:29.46 | Sjimmie | nagual: i'll stick to this channel then ass |
| 10:30.26 | vox-2 | i was going to go but last minute was going to cost me arm and leg :( Only if i remembered earlier |
| 10:31.34 | streuner | vox-2: a good place is the mentioned URL and planet.debian.net, of course ;-) |
| 10:32.35 | vox-2 | streuner: ill keep checking...thanks |
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| 10:35.41 | nagual | Sjimmie: or you could go on being lame asking the same stupid ass question in even more channels! |
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| 10:37.45 | fourcheeze | Sjimmie, if you don't know enough to choose a mail client, install thunderbird and have done |
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| 10:40.50 | rockyy | im running debian for a router using iproute2 ive got a lan on 192.168.0.0/24 subnet with 2 gateways for the internet set up on this router, that works fine.. what i want to do is add in another subnet 192.168.2.0/24 on that router so that 192.168.0.0 subnet can then use the router to be able to connect to the server on 192.168.2.2. so i setup another nic in the router as 192.168.2.1. do i need to setup nat from 192.168.0.0/24 -> 192.168.2.1/24 for |
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| 10:41.41 | jono | Ia m getting some fatal memory errors when using PEAR and install a PEAR package - anyone else getting this? |
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| 10:42.02 | rockyy | jono: what are the errors? dependency problems ? |
| 10:42.34 | PerfDave | jono: Is your memory good? Might be worth checking with memtest86. |
| 10:42.51 | jono | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 71303168 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 16 bytes) in /usr/share/php/Archive/Tar.php on line 1129 |
| 10:42.51 | jono | Allowed memory size of 71303168 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 0 bytes) |
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| 10:43.04 | SlayerXP | jono: I see the problem |
| 10:43.06 | jono | my memory is fine, this is a new mac mini |
| 10:43.12 | jono | SlayerXP, heya Martin :) |
| 10:43.16 | SlayerXP | jono: lo :) |
| 10:43.23 | SlayerXP | jono: see the bit that says "php"? |
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| 10:43.29 | PerfDave | jono: I thought you were running Ubuntu on your Mac Mini? |
| 10:43.39 | jono | SlayerXP, yeah |
| 10:43.42 | jono | PerfDave, I am :) |
| 10:43.52 | jono | PerfDave, but the PHP packages are in Debian |
| 10:44.04 | PerfDave | jono: You're mixing packages between Ubuntu and Debian? |
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| 10:44.17 | jono | PerfDave, yeah, its universe |
| 10:44.36 | PerfDave | jono: I didn't think that "universe" was the same thing as "Debian" |
| 10:44.48 | Sjimmie | fourcheeze: thats exactly what i just did :) |
| 10:45.00 | jono | SlayerXP, what is the problem? |
| 10:45.00 | xophEr | Still have this .xsession problem, I want this line: 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"' to start when X starts, I have "allow-user-session" in /etc/X11/Xsession.options, and I have the line in my ~/.xsession, using gdm |
| 10:45.12 | jono | PerfDave, its a snapshot of the debian archive compiled against ubuntu |
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| 10:45.47 | PerfDave | jono: Well, exactly. |
| 10:45.57 | SlayerXP | jono: php :) |
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| 10:49.15 | poncha|work | is having "apache" (1.3.x) "apache-utils" (of same version) and "apache2-utils" packages installed at the same time possible? or, even, valid ? |
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| 10:49.24 | Zvpun | xophEr: .xsession is only run if you select default as session in the display manager |
| 10:49.25 | trogger | I have a line in my /etc/crontab which is * * * * * root /bin/sh /usr/src/mailnotify/date.sh |
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| 10:49.28 | rockyy | or does anyone know a networking channels ? |
| 10:49.36 | jm_ | xophEr: gdm won't use your session script unless you select "Debian session" (or somesuch, maybe it's called Default) in its menus |
| 10:49.47 | trogger | theoretically this runs every minute, and a line appears in syslog, but it doesn't really perform the tasks. |
| 10:49.53 | trogger | any ideas why not? |
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| 10:50.08 | Tolimar | vox-2: No, didn't had time to take some more pictures than those which are in my blog. |
| 10:50.19 | xophEr | I have the Default session selected |
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| 10:50.57 | Tolimar | streuner: The pictures in my blog are from 2005, but yes, I didn't uiploaded any pictures from this years cebit (will be done today, I hope). |
| 10:50.57 | jm_ | I haven't tried this with gdm in Sarge, only with Woody and it certainly worked just fine |
| 10:51.11 | PerfDave | poncha|work: I think it's pretty valud, the stuff in apache(,2)-utils is independent of your apache version. AIUI apache-utils in Sarge is now an empty package which just depends on apache2-utils. |
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| 10:51.21 | visual_ | 12:51 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.debian.org [212.204.214.114] port 6667 |
| 10:51.24 | visual_ | 12:51 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.debian.org port 6667 [Cannot |
| 10:51.25 | visual_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.27 | visual_ | pls help? |
| 10:51.29 | visual_ | i cant use normal user |
| 10:51.31 | visual_ | i added myself to irc group |
| 10:51.33 | visual_ | but dont work |
| 10:51.49 | PerfDave | "irc group"? |
| 10:51.57 | visual_ | adduser (me) irc |
| 10:52.00 | visual_ | then relogged |
| 10:52.02 | visual_ | still cant join |
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| 10:52.05 | visual_ | tell me that error |
| 10:52.07 | visual_ | what to do |
| 10:52.15 | PerfDave | !tell visual_ -about enter |
| 10:52.19 | poncha|work | PerfDave, oh, ok, then it makes sense... (cause i'm trying to upgrade all the bunch of apache1.3 packages with latest and it suddenly brought up apach2-utils :)) |
| 10:52.21 | poncha|work | thanks |
| 10:52.31 | PerfDave | The IRC group should be for servers, not clients, no? |
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| 10:52.45 | visual_ | PerfDave dont know |
| 10:52.56 | trogger | or, is there a program (like watch) which will run a command periodically, but (unlike watch) in the background? |
| 10:53.08 | rockyy | can anyone tell me a networking channel to join ? |
| 10:53.09 | PerfDave | visual_: I'm not quite sure off the top of my head what the error "Cannot assign requested address" means but I'm guesing at something like DNS errors. Try googling for that error message? |
| 10:53.20 | visual_ | ok |
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| 10:54.09 | asher | trogger: 'while sleep 120; do <whatever>; done &' |
| 10:54.29 | trogger | asher: and will that take much processing power? (it won't busy wait, will it?) |
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| 10:54.46 | asher | trogger: man sleep |
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| 10:54.50 | trogger | asher: I'll try it, thanks :) |
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| 10:55.38 | poncha|work | ok... another question... if i'm updating a bunch of packages and something brings up a dependancy on caudium , how can i know what is the package that brought it up? |
| 10:55.57 | PerfDave | poncha|work: apt-cache rdepends caudium |
| 10:55.58 | jm_ | poncha|work: list packages that depend on it |
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| 10:57.38 | trogger | asher: great, cheers. |
| 10:57.49 | poncha|work | PerfDave, jm_ what if that is not a direct dependency? |
| 10:58.08 | poncha|work | i.e. some package requirex foo , foo requires caudium .. |
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| 10:58.25 | poncha|work | rdepends resolves that kind of stuff ? |
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| 10:58.38 | visual_ | PerfDave got it fixed, A quick way of fixing this is commenting out "hostname = ..." in your config file. |
| 10:58.42 | visual_ | ty |
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| 10:59.10 | valdyn_ | !depends php4 |
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| 10:59.14 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-9) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-9) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-9), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-9) |
| 10:59.19 | PerfDave | poncha|work: Hmm, not sure in that case. Aptitude or something might be able to do it. |
| 10:59.25 | valdyn_ | poncha|work: above has been source of trouble for some people ^^^ |
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| 11:00.20 | karl_ | Can anyone help I am unable to find php4-cups or sources for the module |
| 11:00.30 | valdyn_ | poncha|work: and one possible workaround was to use apt-get dselect-upgrade, now i have no idea if that could be your issue though |
| 11:00.33 | visual | btw one more question... |
| 11:00.45 | caiqian | Hi all, Is there any easy tools for me to use newsgroup in Debian? I am totally a newbie. |
| 11:00.54 | visual | can i get JMC (Jabba Mud Client, for Windows) to work on linux? |
| 11:01.00 | visual | how to "emulate" it or so? |
| 11:01.03 | PerfDave | caiqian: Mozilla Thunderbird has a reasonable news client built in. |
| 11:01.19 | PerfDave | visual: Wine, WineX or Cedega might work. |
| 11:01.38 | caiqian | PerfDave, I'll try it out |
| 11:01.51 | poncha|work | valdyn_, PerfDave, ok, thanks... i think i might've found it.. but it still looks weird.. see: |
| 11:01.58 | visual | PerfDave: ty |
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| 11:02.22 | poncha|work | horde2 : depends <httpd> (provided by various packages, among them - apache (installed) and caudium (not installed) |
| 11:02.50 | poncha|work | but anyway it brings caudium to install ;) heh |
| 11:03.16 | valdyn_ | poncha|work: yea tahts that bug i was talking about, I have no idea what the source of it is |
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| 11:03.56 | PerfDave | poncha|work: Maybe something else depends explicitly on caudium. |
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| 11:08.48 | visual | PerfDave: what program i can use to "unrar" *.rar archives compressed with WinRar? |
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| 11:09.25 | Nurbs | visual: unrar |
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| 11:09.35 | Nurbs | visual: or rar |
| 11:09.56 | bob2 | you need unrar-nonfree |
| 11:09.57 | visual | Nurbs: couldnt find it on aptitute, lemme check again |
| 11:09.57 | PerfDave | visual: unrar. If they're compressed with recent versions of WinRar, you need unrar-nonfree from (unsurprisingly) non-free. |
| 11:09.58 | caiqian | PerfDave, what is a news server for USENET you recommend? |
| 11:10.01 | bob2 | also, rar is a moronic format |
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| 11:10.12 | bob2 | beat whichever idiot sent you something in that format |
| 11:10.12 | PerfDave | caiqian: Your ISP should provide you with one. |
| 11:10.15 | visual | PerfDave: nonfree? how much is costs:P |
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| 11:10.25 | PerfDave | visual: Your freedom. |
| 11:10.30 | caiqian | PerfDave, not yet |
| 11:10.30 | Nurbs | also, unrar (non-nonfree) does use a different syntax which broke some apps |
| 11:10.51 | PerfDave | caiqian: Try googling for "free nntp server", if your ISP doesn't have one. |
| 11:11.49 | caiqian | PerfDave, sure, I just think there is a idea one like freenode :) |
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| 11:12.35 | PerfDave | caiqian: What do you mean, "like freenode"? |
| 11:13.01 | valdyn_ | caiqian: your isps newsserver should certainly have a better connection for you , and will fetch whichever groups it doesnt have for you |
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| 11:13.15 | visual | PerfDave: only unrar i could find on aptidute was included in /base/bash |
| 11:13.19 | visual | but i got bash, but no unrar |
| 11:13.30 | visual | also non-free unrar...where to get? |
| 11:14.03 | mosty | visual: apt-cache search rar |
| 11:14.06 | prh | anyone here use netconsole? |
| 11:14.11 | caiqian | valdyn_, I haven't heard about that. they dont even provide smtp server at all |
| 11:14.22 | prh | or could help me get netconsole doing what I want? |
| 11:14.25 | PerfDave | visual: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:14.40 | valdyn_ | caiqian: thats strange at the least |
| 11:14.42 | visual | PerfDave: yeah i searched found two items only |
| 11:14.45 | Pythos | I need some help with user management. There was an option at install time that wanted to know if I wante each user to be able to see other users files or not. I want to change it now, so that each user cant see into eachothers home dirs. Anyone know the solution? |
| 11:14.59 | Vincent1 | Is there someboy french here ? |
| 11:15.15 | streuner | !fr |
| 11:15.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:15.17 | caiqian | valdyn_: cause there are too many free ones |
| 11:15.32 | mosty | pythos, i think you can run "base-config" to answer those questions again |
| 11:15.39 | Vincent1 | Thanks dpkg |
| 11:15.39 | dpkg | de nada, Vincent1 |
| 11:15.48 | Pythos | mosty, Ill try that thanks |
| 11:15.50 | caiqian | Is there any IRC channels related to USENET hosted on freenode? |
| 11:15.51 | mattboll | Vincent1: i'm french if you want |
| 11:16.05 | mattboll | (and debian-fr sucks, there is arachne...) |
| 11:16.53 | streuner | caiqian: why do you think you need an IRC channel for usenet? |
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| 11:17.04 | streuner | mattboll: tell that #debian-fr |
| 11:17.37 | PerfDave | visual: You didn't search properly ;) |
| 11:18.13 | PerfDave | visual: http://packages.debian.org/ - search for packages providing "unrar" |
| 11:18.22 | caiqian | streuner, i think it is easy for newbies like me to asked some technical questions |
| 11:18.48 | streuner | caiqian: why not just use groups.google.com ? |
| 11:18.50 | visual | PerfDave: i did that, but i found unrar from www.rarlabs.com :) |
| 11:19.23 | PerfDave | visual: Why not just use the Debian packages? They're there for a reason, and won't break anything on your system. |
| 11:19.42 | visual | PerfDave: dunno couldnt get it work somehow |
| 11:20.07 | PerfDave | visual: Well, get it to work! |
| 11:20.12 | PerfDave | visual: It's really not that hatd. |
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| 11:20.22 | Sjimmie | !nl |
| 11:20.23 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 11:20.28 | Pythos | mosty, hmm, that didn't seem to do anything. It did come up, and I selected users and passwords, but nothing like the original install option for it followed. |
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| 11:21.14 | poncha|work | PerfDave, valdyn_ , ok.. i found what it was.. i was installing all the packages at the same time (both upgrading apache and installing horde), and horde probably depended on version of apache above one already installed... now upgraded apache separately, and horde does not ask for caudium anymore |
| 11:21.58 | mosty | pythos: in that case, you probably need to find the package that asked those questions, and do dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
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| 11:22.03 | caiqian | streuner, it is often unaccessable here. anyway, it is not convience as IRC is |
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| 11:23.23 | streuner | caiqian: so the question is related about your client? |
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| 11:23.39 | suzzi | howdy all, any one rember what the chmod is for forcing all new files in a dir to be 776 ? |
| 11:24.04 | mosty | suzzi, there isn't one |
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| 11:24.12 | suzzi | mosty: DOOM! |
| 11:24.38 | mosty | suzzi: but, as long as the dir is group rwx, any user in the group can fix things |
| 11:24.39 | suzzi | mosty: wait I'm thinking of ftp... I knew that there was something |
| 11:25.09 | litenorund | I cant get into gnome or any window manager with gdm, startx works. Blames on diskspace but I have enough. Could someone help me? |
| 11:25.16 | mosty | suzzi, are you thinking of umask? |
| 11:25.18 | caiqian | streuner, Maybe, I am just wondering that place, but I have to find a free nntp server first. |
| 11:25.20 | suzzi | mosty: well I'm wrtiing a script that will edit files for users so I was hopeing to offload that to the fs |
| 11:25.27 | suzzi | mosty: ya thats it |
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| 11:25.41 | mosty | suzzi, that's set by the user, it's not stored in the filesystem |
| 11:25.54 | mosty | well, besides being in say a shell startup script |
| 11:26.02 | streuner | caiqian: mostly the ISP's give the users an nntp server? |
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| 11:26.15 | suzzi | mosty: well I guess I could just create a new user for the script... that could solve things |
| 11:26.32 | streuner | caiqian: Your ISP should provide you one |
| 11:26.41 | caiqian | streuner, I konw. Unfortunately my ISP doesn't. |
| 11:26.47 | suzzi | mosty: thanks so much |
| 11:26.54 | suzzi | 4 |
| 11:26.56 | suzzi | umm |
| 11:27.30 | ArtVandalae | y |
| 11:27.38 | ArtVandalae | Sorry, wrong window |
| 11:27.42 | caiqian | streuner, because they think just only a few people use it here. |
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| 11:28.22 | mosty | caiqian: you'll have to pay for anything with binary groups, or change isp's to one that does have a usenet feed |
| 11:28.27 | streuner | caiqian: google for 'free nntp server'? |
| 11:29.16 | caiqian | streuner,found SunSITE.dk and give it a try |
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| 11:29.53 | caiqian | mosty, I see. |
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| 11:31.12 | ThomasAH | Hi! I don't want to install xlibs on a sarge host which should be used as an X terminal via xdmcp. Loading a keymap generated with xkbcomp using -xkbmap doesn't work. Does anyone have a pointer how to do it? |
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| 11:32.22 | visual | anyone knows how i can add extra fonts to debian? |
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| 11:32.31 | visual | like fyxedsys for example, i want to use it on a JMC |
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| 11:33.19 | streuner | visual: try /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
| 11:33.19 | dka | visual: apt-get install <font-package> |
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| 11:36.29 | hever | how could I show the size of a folder in MB ? |
| 11:36.37 | PerfDave | hever: man ls |
| 11:36.43 | PerfDave | hever: man du rather |
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| 11:40.10 | BenDrake | Mornin' |
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| 11:42.23 | visual | Does anyone know how can i get windows fonts like "Fixedsys" to work on Wine? (eg. on applications im running thro Wine) |
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| 11:44.10 | visual | anyone? |
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| 11:44.24 | xk | is this a windows support channel? |
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| 11:44.53 | gehel | well, wine is the best way to get rid of Windows ... |
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| 11:45.53 | neijk | Im using yoper linux right now but i want to convert to debian but im terrified of complex installations is there any EASY installing versions of debian? |
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| 11:46.21 | muttix | neijk - try the netinstall for sarge |
| 11:46.34 | neijk | Is it easy? |
| 11:46.42 | neijk | where do i get it? |
| 11:46.43 | xk | "The fonts we're missing out on are System, FixedSys"... that was in 2003 |
| 11:46.49 | xk | who knows if the situation has changed. |
| 11:47.02 | muttix | neijk, all depend on you... but i will say yes |
| 11:47.14 | neijk | where do i get it? |
| 11:47.18 | muttix | neijk, 2.sec |
| 11:47.18 | PerfDave | gehel: no, Wine is not the best way to get rid of Windows. Not running Windows applications is the best way to get rid of Windows. |
| 11:47.20 | xk | neijk: google: netinst debian |
| 11:47.28 | visual | neijk: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 11:47.34 | visual | neijk: you might want daily images tho |
| 11:47.37 | PerfDave | neijk: Debian is easy to install. It's much fater to install than Windows :) |
| 11:47.38 | neijk | okay ill have alook |
| 11:47.44 | visual | neijk: i forgot Joey's webpage for daily images, maybe someone knows |
| 11:47.48 | neijk | i dont use windows |
| 11:47.59 | visual | PerfDave: you know http to Joey's daily images for sarge? |
| 11:48.14 | muttix | neijk, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 11:48.32 | xk | Do many people use linux or debian as a desktop OS? |
| 11:48.37 | Sjimmie | i do xk |
| 11:48.38 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 11:48.50 | mosty | xk, sure |
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| 11:49.07 | Coke | xk: debian has thousands of project partisipants and probably many times more regular users. |
| 11:49.16 | neijk | Ok |
| 11:49.22 | neijk | ill have a look |
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| 11:49.26 | cyzarx | if i have a source files, how to install so later i can remove it? |
| 11:49.28 | Te4st | Hi! |
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| 11:50.05 | Te4st | Is there a known problem in capi4hylafax? I'm getting a SIGSEGV with Debian sarge and Hylafax 4.2 |
| 11:50.06 | belracu | what happenes when we run a program build on uclinux system (for i386) on a normal pc ? |
| 11:50.08 | xk | Coke: yeah but the majority of the converted (from windows) just use linux as a server, not as a desktop OS. |
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| 11:50.38 | fourcheeze | xk, you need to make some definitions there |
| 11:50.45 | fourcheeze | define "use" |
| 11:50.51 | brrrt | hello, there |
| 11:50.52 | fourcheeze | clearly a lot of people use servers without knowing |
| 11:50.53 | neijk | Okay so i have DSL with a net instal will the install detect my modem for me or do i needa config it? |
| 11:51.09 | xk | fourcheeze: using a monitor with a GUI connected directly to a linux box. |
| 11:51.14 | xk | that's my definition of using linux. |
| 11:51.14 | mosty | neijk, depends on the kind of modem, possibly. |
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| 11:51.21 | visual | neijk: it would prolly auto-detect it |
| 11:51.37 | xk | not a putty session on windows to a linux box. |
| 11:51.37 | xk | heh |
| 11:51.51 | brrrt | i am using debian unstable, my nautilus doesnt work since yesterday, anyone knows or has the same problem ? |
| 11:51.55 | fourcheeze | xk, I'm not sure how I would begin to calculate |
| 11:51.56 | litenorund | what can be the problem when any wm wont start from gdm but startx works? |
| 11:52.01 | neijk | well yoper linux i was playing around with ADSL configer when my modem was already connected and working i just didnt know it |
| 11:52.04 | fourcheeze | but certainly a lot of people are using debian |
| 11:52.10 | fourcheeze | as a workstation |
| 11:52.14 | neijk | Does your modem store all the details it needs to access the internet? |
| 11:52.34 | fourcheeze | xk, what are you using? |
| 11:52.50 | xk | fourcheeze: I just want to know the percentage of people who use linux as a desktop vs linux irrelevent of the situation. |
| 11:52.56 | xk | fourcheeze: me? desktop for sure! |
| 11:52.59 | cyzarx | how to make a source file into .deb ??? |
| 11:53.07 | xk | I can't use windows as a desktop |
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| 11:53.13 | xk | it just makes me go crazy. |
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| 11:53.24 | xk | 5-10 minutes, I understand the limitations of windows ;) |
| 11:53.51 | xk | cyzarx: apt-get -b source <pkg> |
| 11:54.20 | neijk | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ What ISO do i download? |
| 11:54.23 | xk | or... if you alreadyhave the source: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b |
| 11:54.43 | fourcheeze | xk, but everyone uses linux in a non-desktop environment |
| 11:54.44 | cyzarx | xk the source is in .tar.gz |
| 11:54.50 | mosty | xk: ask in #polls |
| 11:54.54 | muttix | neijk, why woody ? |
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| 11:55.06 | cyzarx | so apt-get -b blah.tar.gz <pkg> ? |
| 11:55.07 | fourcheeze | xk, even if that environment is a client/server http situation |
| 11:55.07 | xk | neijk: those isos are too big.... there are 10 and 30meg ones (but they require a net connection to install further packages) |
| 11:55.07 | muttix | neijk, try sarge ! |
| 11:55.09 | neijk | I dont know thats just where it all took me after a few links |
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| 11:55.21 | cyzarx | what is pkg ? |
| 11:55.23 | muttix | neijk, he-he... |
| 11:55.41 | neijk | where in the shit is the link to sarge? |
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| 11:56.10 | ecivo | Hi folks |
| 11:56.21 | xk | fourcheeze: hrm... maybe it's a pointless argument/discussion... |
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| 11:56.37 | muttix | neijk, give me 2 sec |
| 11:56.41 | xophEr | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 11:57.06 | neijk | Where is the link to sarge? |
| 11:57.09 | neijk | I dont see one |
| 11:57.17 | neijk | oh sorry didnt see your post |
| 11:57.21 | neijk | Okay. |
| 11:57.21 | fourcheeze | xk, I'm just saying you need to define what you want to get out of the question before you ask |
| 11:57.26 | xk | heh. |
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| 11:57.35 | nagual | okay=thank you? |
| 11:57.40 | fishhead | . |
| 11:57.54 | neijk | thank you=Okay? |
| 11:58.05 | nagual | for a retard maybe. |
| 11:58.07 | xk | fourcheeze: well... just how common is it for people to use linux as a desktop vs using at all (remotely/server/desktop). |
| 11:58.09 | neijk | why does it have to be the reverse? |
| 11:58.20 | brrrt | none has or had the same problem with nautilus crashing at startup ? |
| 11:58.35 | neijk | Why would you resort to name calling? |
| 11:58.48 | xk | fourcheeze: because there are heaps of supporters... but do they actually run linux as a desktop? |
| 11:59.02 | kneet | ppp/gprs/bluetooth question (on sid) - I've just followed http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/blue-gprs.html - I get ppp0 up OK - but defaultroute is still the old defaultroute (testing the config before a trip away). Is replacedefaultroute all that is required in addition? |
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| 11:59.10 | ecivo | I've just installed my debian system, my internet-connection is working, I used apt-setup to configure apt, had it sychronized with the web-archive, which worked fine, but when I run deselect the newest Kernel is 2.4.18, newst gnome is 1.4 and so on... What the hack am I doing wrong? |
| 11:59.16 | ricky_clarkson | neijk: Because people are like that. He meant "No". |
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| 11:59.30 | fourcheeze | xk, you'll find people do all sorts of things |
| 11:59.48 | fourcheeze | xk, OSX is quite common among unix folks these days |
| 11:59.50 | drac | ecivo: Nothing, you are using woody. |
| 11:59.50 | neijk | Oh ok. |
| 12:00.19 | Te4st | ecivo: Add testing sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:00.20 | fourcheeze | but basically any OS that can have 30 terminals running is fine by me :-) |
| 12:00.22 | neijk | KSirc is kinda crapy the font is tiny and you cant adjust it |
| 12:00.26 | xk | hehehehehe |
| 12:00.28 | nagual | ah love. so when have i ever called anyone a name in here neijk ? |
| 12:00.28 | fourcheeze | but yes I do use a linux workstation |
| 12:00.40 | ecivo | Thnx, guys :) |
| 12:00.44 | neijk | For a retard mabey |
| 12:00.57 | neijk | I guess i made an assumption |
| 12:01.01 | nagual | yes you did |
| 12:01.09 | neijk | it was verry suttle |
| 12:01.27 | xk | hrm... is there any reason that gnome + applications leak memory like there's no tomorrow? |
| 12:01.30 | BenDrake | hey guys, Is there a partition manager for Debian. To resize and whatnot |
| 12:01.31 | muttix | neijk; let it go - start downloading and worrying about installing... you get pist of to easy ;) |
| 12:01.52 | neijk | im not pissed off? |
| 12:01.56 | ecivo | BenDrake, fdisk /dev/... is fine |
| 12:02.02 | neijk | im having a discussion |
| 12:02.03 | ecivo | but handle with care ;) |
| 12:02.06 | BenDrake | sweet, thanks |
| 12:02.09 | xk | BenDrake: it's not integrated... but resize2fs + fdisk. |
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| 12:02.18 | muttix | neijk : okay... then bitch away :) |
| 12:02.21 | nagual | yes you are. you are pissed off at your parents for not teaching you to say 'thank you' when someone has been kind enough to help you. |
| 12:02.26 | neijk | I dont know where to go to get the download to start installing. |
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| 12:02.47 | neijk | I rather not continue this "discussion" anyways |
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| 12:02.58 | neijk | I appolagise for my assumption |
| 12:02.58 | muttix | neijk : http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:03.00 | ecivo | Another Question: How can I get my adsl running durring install process |
| 12:03.00 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Because they share objects, probably. |
| 12:03.09 | xk | neijk: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso - minimal installer. |
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| 12:03.27 | ecivo | since pppoeconf isnt there and the normal pppconf doesnt work it out ? |
| 12:03.30 | S4nD3r_ | What should I do to setup DEBIAN in NIS/NFS client ??? |
| 12:03.37 | xk | ricky_clarkson: well.. like gnome terminal using 50megs ram... that's _way too muhc_ |
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| 12:04.12 | brrrt | any hints regarding my crashing nauilus ? :) |
| 12:04.14 | ecivo | xk, o_0 that definitly too much |
| 12:04.17 | xk | good luck running 30 terminals on 512megs ram ;) |
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| 12:04.36 | ricky_clarkson | xk: You'll probably find it doesn't grow linearly. |
| 12:05.02 | nagual | hehe |
| 12:05.03 | ricky_clarkson | xk: How can I tell the usage of gnome-terminal here? You presumably just ran some ps -someargs | grep something to get the usage. |
| 12:05.05 | xk | ricky_clarkson: running multiple copies of the same app or heaps of different apps? |
| 12:05.07 | nagual | xk: which version of gnome? |
| 12:05.07 | neijk | muttix - xk Thank you |
| 12:05.18 | xk | nagual: 2.8 |
| 12:05.19 | muttix | neijk : anytime :) |
| 12:05.21 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Both, but more likely the former. |
| 12:05.36 | neijk | Lol, well ill be here asking a WHOLE lot more question never mind that |
| 12:05.36 | xk | like... firefox uses 100megs ram... thunderbird 100megs ram |
| 12:05.44 | xk | then the gnome panel using 50megs ram |
| 12:05.53 | xk | applets using 30-50megs ram each |
| 12:05.56 | neijk | how long should this take to download on average do you think? |
| 12:06.03 | nagual | xk: sounds like a charmer |
| 12:06.14 | xk | it's just way too bloated |
| 12:06.14 | Te4st | I'm getting this error when I try to send myself a fax: Connection dropped with Reason 0x3400 (No additional information). What can I do? |
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| 12:06.24 | nagual | whenever i use x i recently been using xfce4 |
| 12:06.35 | ecivo | xk, anything done on the Kernel by hand? |
| 12:06.43 | nagual | im not giving you tips, since i take it you know a lot more than me, but still :) |
| 12:06.43 | muttix | neijk : i think this channel is a bit to busy for getting help..... And i dont know how long it will take to download... but is arou8nd 100.Megs |
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| 12:06.45 | xk | ecivo: what do you mean? |
| 12:06.51 | neijk | Does this sarge instal use lilo or Grub? |
| 12:06.52 | Te4st | 0x3400 is a general CAPI failure info - but how can I hanlde it? |
| 12:07.07 | neijk | its only gona take like 10 mins to download |
| 12:07.12 | brrrt | hello, there |
| 12:07.13 | xk | ecivo: I'm just puzzled as to why gnome and other applications all up use so much ram. |
| 12:07.33 | brrrt | i am using debian unstable, my nautilus keeps crashing at stratup since yesterday, anyone knows or has the same problem ? |
| 12:07.46 | muttix | neijk : i think grun but not sure... |
| 12:07.51 | neijk | muttix can you /join #debian-help |
| 12:07.56 | muttix | neijk : grub |
| 12:07.56 | ecivo | xk, do you use a precompiled kernel or did u compile/configure it yourself, there could be something wrongly configured... |
| 12:08.14 | xk | ecivo: well, the box in question is a friend's machine... so a stock kernel. |
| 12:08.22 | xk | ecivo: but i always use a custom kernel on my own machines. |
| 12:08.46 | xk | it's not the kernel leaking ram ;) |
| 12:08.55 | ecivo | or did you tune the nice Values of the Processes? maybe the rams used misproportional because of that? |
| 12:08.59 | xk | it's just that 512megs ram is not enough to run gnome and stuff. |
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| 12:09.16 | nagual | hehe |
| 12:09.22 | ecivo | hm, 256 Mb are quite enough here though ^^ |
| 12:09.26 | sep | xk: are you sure your not just watching the disc cache use ram ? |
| 12:09.44 | xk | sep: no, this is the RSS value from ps. |
| 12:09.50 | xk | sep: and my friend says the machines feels slow after a while |
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| 12:10.01 | xk | and I'm not surprised - memory leaks of 50megs here and there do add up |
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| 12:10.40 | Krisso | any1 got expirience with winex? |
| 12:10.42 | ecivo | Is he running many applets? these things did eat up pretty much ram here (so I kicked em) |
| 12:10.48 | xk | ecivo: yeah, a couple. |
| 12:10.59 | xk | and I noticed they take up ram aswell. |
| 12:11.10 | ecivo | Krisso, wished I Had ^^ sorry... |
| 12:11.21 | xk | nautilus leaks aswell. |
| 12:11.22 | xk | heh |
| 12:11.37 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Try running things from a console and see what output they give. |
| 12:11.44 | ecivo | xk, Kick em, and see if it helps a little... |
| 12:12.03 | ricky_clarkson | xk: If you see "leaked 3 references to bonobo objects" or something then you've seen a memory leak (but not one that survives a logout). |
| 12:12.15 | xk | hrm... |
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| 12:12.39 | xk | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 12:12.42 | ecivo | but can anyone give me a hint on how I get my adsl-connection running durring installation? |
| 12:12.51 | xk | he's going to get a 12" powerbook in 1 week's time anyway. |
| 12:12.53 | ricky_clarkson | Ad-Rock: Are you aka Ad-Roc? |
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| 12:13.19 | Skiver | hi, where can i change my default font in debian? for X server |
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| 12:13.38 | xk | so he might trash the linux box and install windows. or something. ;) |
| 12:13.49 | streuner | Skiver: in that config where you always configure the xserver? |
| 12:14.01 | ecivo | skiver when using gnome in the Controll-Center (see under window-manager, I think) |
| 12:14.03 | xk | or not use the box as a desktop. |
| 12:14.16 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Does X even have a default font? |
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| 12:14.48 | ecivo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.51 | biatche | i have an old fc2 box on 2.6.9, i need to plug in a sata disk. how many versions of xfs are there? is there like xfs 1.01 1.02 or something... is it different if i use newer xfsprog and kernel... to format disk to xfs? or is xfs just one, and the same.. and i can just format it to xfs without worrying bout versions? does using latest version make a difference? |
| 12:14.54 | Delicates | what triggers an ARP request? |
| 12:15.03 | xk | ecivo: ethernet or usb dsl? |
| 12:15.05 | biatche | with 800 people here... i hope at least one can answer it |
| 12:15.33 | ecivo | xk, ether |
| 12:15.37 | drac | biatche: FC2? |
| 12:15.45 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: to get some different fonts, i usually change it in XF86Config-4, so i guess yes |
| 12:15.46 | xk | ecivo: should be no problem getting a net connection. |
| 12:15.50 | ecivo | drac, Fedora Core 2 |
| 12:16.04 | xk | ecivo: depends if you use dhcp or not... |
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| 12:16.20 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: not that i wanna cut hairs ;-) |
| 12:16.24 | xk | ecivo: it should try to detect dhcp first... then give you the option of setting the details manually. |
| 12:16.28 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: split hairs |
| 12:16.30 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 12:16.35 | streuner | ok :-) |
| 12:16.39 | ecivo | xk, let's assume I dont |
| 12:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: I just didn't know, I thought it would all be app-dependent. |
| 12:16.56 | xk | ecivo: well, then you have to set it manually... the ip address, the hostname, the domain, the gateway, the dns. |
| 12:17.20 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: talking about apps which you don't change the font, though. |
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| 12:17.31 | streuner | s/don't/can't/ |
| 12:17.40 | ecivo | Ok, raw by hand in the config files, or is there a helper Prog for that? |
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| 12:17.51 | xk | ecivo: oh.. do you use... hrm... the dsl modem in bridge or router mode? |
| 12:18.08 | ecivo | ask questions... |
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| 12:18.12 | ecivo | I just use it |
| 12:18.13 | xk | ecivo: if you run in bridge mode, and the box you're installation on must run pppoe... well... I'm not sure if it's even possible to do that during installation |
| 12:18.28 | xk | ecivo: well, then I cannot say how to set it up ;) |
| 12:18.32 | valdyn_ | ecivo: that debian tool to configure your adsl is "pppoeconf", i have no idea if or how that is part of the installer |
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| 12:19.08 | zrg_ | hallo. is there any lazyguide to update kernel to 2.6.x via apt and also get the nvidia drivers? |
| 12:19.09 | ecivo | valdyn, i know that it is NOT part of the installer (which is pretty ugly btw) |
| 12:19.10 | xk | valdyn_: yeah, I remmeber after installation, see pppoeconf installed. |
| 12:19.10 | ricky_clarkson | biatche: This is the wrong place to ask. Try #fedora. |
| 12:19.15 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting fedora |
| 12:19.16 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support fedora too. Try #fedora or donating money to charity. |
| 12:19.18 | elnovato | morning vietkongs |
| 12:19.24 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 12:19.24 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 12:19.24 | xk | valdyn_: so it might be possible to install with a pppoe connection. |
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| 12:19.51 | zrg_ | !nvidia-howto |
| 12:19.51 | dpkg | nvidia-howto is, like, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody |
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| 12:20.03 | xk | I wouldn't want to touch an nvidia card. |
| 12:20.15 | ricky_clarkson | Dangerous voltages? |
| 12:20.15 | elnovato | why? too sexy? |
| 12:20.25 | xk | ;) |
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| 12:20.36 | ecivo | got to be @ the university in 5 min... |
| 12:20.39 | zrg_ | !kernel |
| 12:20.41 | ecivo | bye and thnx |
| 12:20.42 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.3, snapshot: 2.6.11-bk10, 2.4: 2.4.29, prepatch: 2.4.30-pre3, snapshot: 2.4.30-pre3-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac3, -mm patch: 2.6.11-mm3 |
| 12:20.42 | ecivo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.47 | zrg_ | !kernel-howto |
| 12:20.47 | dpkg | look at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html, or more importantly, ask me about kp |
| 12:20.56 | zrg_ | !kp |
| 12:20.56 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 12:20.59 | streuner | zrg_: use '/msg dpkg foo' instead |
| 12:21.02 | streuner | thanks |
| 12:21.03 | nagual | why wouldnt you want to do that xk? |
| 12:21.05 | ricky_clarkson | zrg_: /msg dpkg /msg |
| 12:21.22 | xk | nagual: well, I meant... to use an nvidia card in my desktop system. |
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| 12:21.32 | nagual | xk: why is that? no gaming there? |
| 12:21.33 | xk | I just hate nvidia. |
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| 12:21.43 | xk | nah, I don't game. haven't gamed for 10 years. |
| 12:21.44 | elnovato | nvidia rocks |
| 12:21.49 | sanxiyn | "...my husband is one of the release managers. I've begged him not to do EVER AGAIN because, well, you know, I like seeing him once in awhile without a laptop attached to his fingertips." -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/fvinnash/119297.html |
| 12:21.58 | xk | omg, SLI... 36% max performance gain. |
| 12:21.59 | nagual | why do you hate nvidia? |
| 12:22.01 | xk | need 2 graphics card |
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| 12:22.13 | nagual | i know what sli is. i was around the last time they used that :) |
| 12:22.15 | elnovato | use cga hercules |
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| 12:22.21 | xk | ;) |
| 12:22.43 | ricky_clarkson | I'd like decent 3D speed for graphics programming, but my card is unsupported (well, last time I looked). |
| 12:22.59 | ricky_clarkson | If anyone wants to look for me: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter |
| 12:23.02 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
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| 12:23.08 | xk | sis |
| 12:23.09 | xk | sissy card |
| 12:23.12 | nagual | you have to keep in mind that almost 40% perfomance increase is a LOT for gamers, there is a big difference running everything on max, and running most of the stuff on max in games |
| 12:23.38 | xk | 40% _max_ |
| 12:23.39 | xk | not average. |
| 12:23.44 | zrg_ | how do you read a READEME.gz? |
| 12:23.46 | ricky_clarkson | xk: I didn't choose it. |
| 12:23.46 | xk | is that worth 200W of power consumption? |
| 12:23.48 | ricky_clarkson | zrg_: zless |
| 12:23.50 | xk | :) |
| 12:23.51 | zrg_ | k |
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| 12:23.55 | DrPete | Anyone know where I can get php 4.2.0 or above for stable? |
| 12:23.58 | elnovato | 200 wats |
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| 12:24.36 | sanxiyn | DrPete: Maybe http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody/php4/ |
| 12:24.41 | xk | I'm just happy that I upgraded my system and avoided nvidia/ati. |
| 12:24.49 | GieltjE | how do I create the wheel group (it hasnt been auto made during install for some reason), if I just create the group wheel it has no powers |
| 12:24.59 | ricky_clarkson | GieltjE: What OS are you running? |
| 12:25.05 | DrPete | sanxiyn: ahh, ok thanks |
| 12:25.08 | sanxiyn | (Oops, dotdeb.org crashed a while ago, but will be up again soon, and package is there anyway) |
| 12:25.11 | elnovato | punk |
| 12:25.12 | GieltjE | Debian unstable installed yestarday |
| 12:25.20 | ricky_clarkson | GieltjE: How did you install it? |
| 12:25.24 | DrPete | sanxiyn: thanks, I will check it out |
| 12:25.29 | GieltjE | Debian live cd |
| 12:25.35 | ricky_clarkson | I didn't know there was one. |
| 12:25.40 | ricky_clarkson | Where did that come from? |
| 12:25.43 | GieltjE | minimal cd |
| 12:25.48 | ricky_clarkson | Netinstall CD? |
| 12:25.54 | GieltjE | yes |
| 12:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | I don't thnik you need wheel in Debian. |
| 12:26.58 | ricky_clarkson | s/thnik/think/ |
| 12:27.06 | ricky_clarkson | I use sudo. |
| 12:27.16 | GieltjE | I need wheel to get apache with tunez working |
| 12:27.45 | GieltjE | otherwise I cant skip songs with apache |
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| 12:30.55 | Krisso | i compiled winex, from cvs source .. flawless.. when i try to run it as normal user i get: wine: chdir to /home/madmax/.wine/wineserver-debian : No such file or directory. Can any1 help me with that? |
| 12:31.18 | xk | mkdir -p /home/madmax/.wine/wineserver-debian |
| 12:31.20 | ricky_clarkson | Krisso: Isn't there a wine setup program? |
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| 12:32.22 | QUACH-VU | how can i know the current version of debian on my server? |
| 12:32.30 | ricky_clarkson | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:33.05 | sanxiyn | (Just like cat /etc/redhat_release, FWIW) |
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| 12:33.52 | Rupert-Giles | anyone here got a linux windows dual boot? |
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| 12:34.01 | sanxiyn | Rupert-Giles: Sure. |
| 12:34.07 | streuner | man lilo.conf |
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| 12:34.41 | Zvpun | Rupert-Giles: other=/dev/hda4 label=windows |
| 12:35.05 | Rupert-Giles | sanxiyn, is it possible to install windows on a box with linux already on it with out messing up the linux install? |
| 12:35.31 | QUACH-VU | my debian version now is 3.0 |
| 12:35.32 | Rupert-Giles | my dad wants me to put windows on the laptop :( |
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| 12:35.39 | QUACH-VU | is it the latest stable version? |
| 12:35.43 | Rupert-Giles | which i really dont want to do heh |
| 12:35.49 | QUACH-VU | my debian version now is 3.0.is it the latest stable version? |
| 12:35.51 | nevyn | Rupert-Giles: the only thing you need to be careful of is the bootloader. |
| 12:35.58 | nevyn | QUACH-VU: yep. |
| 12:36.01 | Rupert-Giles | yeh i heard windows nails the mbr |
| 12:36.06 | jm_ | Rupert-Giles: of course it is, the only thing it will fuck up is your boot loader (assuming you don't touch Linux partitions) |
| 12:36.12 | ricky_clarkson | QUACH-VU: We recommend you update to sarge. |
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| 12:36.16 | Rupert-Giles | maybe if i create an install disk or something |
| 12:36.18 | xk | windows just changes the active boot flag. |
| 12:36.18 | Rupert-Giles | oops |
| 12:36.21 | Rupert-Giles | i mean boot disc |
| 12:36.22 | nevyn | ricky_clarkson: we do? |
| 12:36.29 | abortigeno | hello, sorry for my bad english and sorry if a intromise in a discussion, there is a way to act interactive on a rules file (in a debian source package) using config option given by ./configure , and there is a way to know the configure options of a debian source package using a tool or a helper? if yes wich tool? wich helper? tanks a lot |
| 12:36.29 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, we do. |
| 12:36.32 | xk | so just change it back to the linux boot partition (/boot or /) |
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| 12:36.50 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: 3.0 is the latest stable version. You can use 3.1 now but it has no security updates and some small bugs. |
| 12:36.52 | nevyn | abortigeno: debian/rules |
| 12:37.11 | Rupert-Giles | ok cool thanks |
| 12:37.14 | abortigeno | nevyn, yes but how i act intercatively on that file? |
| 12:37.25 | abortigeno | i mean |
| 12:37.51 | DrPete | sanxiyn: I just checked http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody and its there, can I add an entry to apt sources? |
| 12:37.56 | nevyn | edit debian/rules to --enable-option then do debuild -us -uc |
| 12:38.04 | nevyn | abortigeno: is that what you want? |
| 12:38.04 | abortigeno | how i get all the configure options from that file i try man debian/rules but no man is installed on my desk |
| 12:38.05 | sanxiyn | abortigeno: You can't. You can do apt-get source and tweak config yourself though. |
| 12:38.18 | QUACH-VU | how can i upgrade my MYSQL server to newest stable version? i have now MYSQL version 3.23.49-log ...and how about update to newest stable PHP ? |
| 12:38.24 | abortigeno | nevyn, i didn't qant to editing by hand :) |
| 12:38.25 | sanxiyn | DrPete: Yes. See http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 12:38.32 | abortigeno | ahhh |
| 12:38.34 | abortigeno | tanks |
| 12:39.00 | sanxiyn | abortigeno: Debian doesn't have "build options" dialog as in FreeBSD port... |
| 12:39.00 | DrPete | sanxiyn: ok, thanks |
| 12:39.07 | sanxiyn | abortigeno: It is mainly a binary distro. |
| 12:39.12 | abortigeno | i understand, i've got to edit by hand |
| 12:39.16 | abortigeno | yes understand |
| 12:39.20 | abortigeno | tanks |
| 12:39.25 | ricky_clarkson | abortigeno: No, use a text editor. Editing a hard drive by hand is very tricky. |
| 12:39.47 | ricky_clarkson | I recommend sensible-editor. |
| 12:39.57 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: Heh. |
| 12:40.04 | abortigeno | ricky_clarkson, yea i was meaning editing whit a editor |
| 12:40.11 | QUACH-VU | how can i upgrade my MYSQL server to newest stable version? i have now MYSQL version 3.23.49-log ...and how about update to newest stable PHP ? |
| 12:40.17 | abortigeno | tanks a lot to all |
| 12:40.19 | DrPete | sanxiyn: If, i use the line as surgessted will that offfer all packages for upgrade, I only want php4 |
| 12:40.29 | ricky_clarkson | abortigeno: It's thanks, not tanks, unless you're in the American military. |
| 12:40.35 | sep | QUACH-VU: upgrade to sarge |
| 12:40.54 | sanxiyn | DrPete: You can install only php4 just fine. |
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| 12:41.35 | DrPete | sanxiyn: but dont do an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 12:42.07 | sanxiyn | DrPete: That's fine too. apt-get upgrade upgrades only already installed packages... |
| 12:42.58 | DrPete | sanxiyn: yeah, i just did not want to backport everything if you know what I mean :) |
| 12:43.05 | Skyblaze | how can i make superkaramba themes more big(fonts ecc) in my kde desktop with a resolution of 1400x1050? |
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| 12:43.25 | Skyblaze | i tried to change the font size in the theme file but it didn't change |
| 12:43.55 | QUACH-VU | <sep> QUACH-VU: upgrade to sarge <--- how can i upgrade to sarge? which command? |
| 12:44.40 | sanxiyn | !tell QUACH-VU about woody->sarge |
| 12:45.30 | QUACH-VU | sarge is a update version of debian or MYsql server? |
| 12:45.53 | QUACH-VU | what i mean is update MYSQL and PHP to newst stable version |
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| 12:46.14 | sanxiyn | !dotdeb |
| 12:46.14 | dpkg | i heard dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
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| 12:46.28 | sanxiyn | QUACH-VU: Ask DrPete, too :-) |
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| 12:47.16 | Skyblaze | which is the package for the volume control applet for the kde panel? |
| 12:47.18 | Skyblaze | in sid |
| 12:47.23 | Krisso | how to format a usb drive with fat16 under debian? |
| 12:47.57 | DrPete | sanxiyn: worked great, thanks, not I need to test it :) |
| 12:48.23 | sanxiyn | DrPete: Give your thanks to dotdeb backporters, not me. |
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| 12:50.27 | dka | ? |
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| 12:51.58 | ricky_clarkson | Where are the ssh server-side logs kept? |
| 12:52.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: /var/log/auth.log usually |
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| 12:52.39 | ricky_clarkson | asg: How do you tell the ssh stuff apart from other stuff? |
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| 12:52.54 | asg | ricky_clarkson: usually it's prefaced with [sshd] |
| 12:53.33 | sanxiyn | Krisso: kmix? |
| 12:54.04 | sanxiyn | Krisso: after install, do Panel -> Add -> Applet -> KMix Applet |
| 12:54.16 | DrPete | sanxiyn: :) is it better then backports.org? |
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| 12:54.17 | sanxiyn | Oops sorry |
| 12:54.25 | sanxiyn | Skyblaze: Was meant to you. |
| 12:54.40 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Chee-arz. |
| 12:54.44 | asg | ricky_clarkson: :) |
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| 12:55.51 | medic | hi |
| 12:55.53 | sanxiyn | DrPete: IIRC, there's no php4 on backports.org |
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| 12:56.30 | DrPete | sanxiyn: yeah, I know.. I mean in general, hare the backports on dotdeb, better, worse or the same |
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| 12:57.05 | sanxiyn | DrPete: They are both good, IMO. |
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| 13:00.07 | DoktorTomoe | Hi. I have a strange problem with apt-get. |
| 13:00.24 | DoktorTomoe | Richte mdadm ein (1.9.0-2) ... |
| 13:00.24 | DoktorTomoe | .devfsd presence implies active DevFS. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 13:00.24 | DoktorTomoe | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von mdadm (--configure): |
| 13:00.25 | DoktorTomoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.58 | asg | DoktorTomoe: try #debian-de |
| 13:01.04 | DoktorTomoe | k thanks |
| 13:01.20 | mathieu_ | asg, the error is in english though |
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| 13:01.38 | DoktorTomoe | I *can* try to translate |
| 13:01.42 | asg | mathieu_: parts of it |
| 13:01.47 | thiago_ | Good morning.. |
| 13:01.47 | mathieu_ | the relevant part is in english |
| 13:01.55 | thiago_ | Dears, I have a problem. |
| 13:02.01 | thiago_ | Can someone help me? |
| 13:02.05 | asg | !tell thiago_ about ask |
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| 13:02.32 | Zvpun | DoktorTomoe: check the post-install script |
| 13:02.42 | asg | DoktorTomoe: what debian version are you running? |
| 13:02.51 | thiago_ | Debian 3.0 |
| 13:03.00 | DoktorTomoe | asg: I am using sid |
| 13:03.06 | thiago_ | When I am logging as root |
| 13:03.07 | QUACH-VU | mysql-server is now 3.23.49-8.9, but i dont understand why i run apt-get install mysql-server it say that my server already have newest stable version? |
| 13:03.11 | thiago_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.15 | asg | DoktorTomoe: well, first check the bts to see if it is a reported problem |
| 13:03.26 | thiago_ | Cannot execut /usr/bin/ksh: No such file or directory. |
| 13:03.36 | thiago_ | So, I can't use the computer. |
| 13:03.39 | asg | thiago_: did you install ksh? |
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| 13:03.54 | thiago_ | No. I did not install. |
| 13:03.59 | medic | hello |
| 13:04.19 | asg | thiago_: hmmm, very odd. |
| 13:04.25 | medic | i'm interested in installing debian and was wondering if some1 would be able to help a newbie out |
| 13:04.27 | thiago_ | oh.. |
| 13:04.34 | thiago_ | Please, help me. |
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| 13:04.42 | medic | hehe |
| 13:05.12 | asg | thiago_: try following the "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password" factoid to edit /etc/passwd and change root's shell to /bin/sh or /bin/bash |
| 13:05.12 | mathieu_ | thiago_, boot with init=/bin/bash, edit /etc/passwd: replace /usr/bin/ksh by /bin/bash |
| 13:05.12 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: dude |
| 13:05.12 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: you're using Debian stable |
| 13:05.12 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: it came out in july 2002 |
| 13:05.12 | dka | thiago_: reload with init=/sbin/sh and edit /etc/passwd file |
| 13:05.23 | QUACH-VU | bob2 i think newst mysql server now is 4.1.x? |
| 13:05.27 | QUACH-VU | not3.x |
| 13:05.40 | medic | er seems like everybody's busy :/ |
| 13:05.42 | thiago_ | ok. How can I boot with init=/bin/bash.? |
| 13:05.42 | medic | nvm |
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| 13:05.43 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: lord |
| 13:05.46 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: think about it |
| 13:05.51 | DoktorTomoe | what is this mdadm package anyway? |
| 13:06.02 | mathieu_ | thiago_, running lilo? |
| 13:06.05 | asg | DoktorTomoe: raid |
| 13:06.05 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: it came out in 2002. do you think mysql 4.1 was the latest stable version then? |
| 13:06.06 | dka | thiago_: check man lilo.conf/grub.conf |
| 13:06.10 | thiago_ | Yes, lilo. |
| 13:06.28 | mathieu_ | thiago_, you know how to access the lilo prompt while booting? |
| 13:06.33 | thiago_ | No. |
| 13:06.35 | DoktorTomoe | asg: I do not need raid. Is it save to simply get rid of it? |
| 13:06.47 | QUACH-VU | bob2 so can you tell me how to upgrade to mysql 4.x ? |
| 13:06.51 | asg | DoktorTomoe: yes, provided you aren't using software raid |
| 13:06.51 | Zvpun | thiago_: you can enter options when lilo boots |
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| 13:06.55 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: www.backports.org |
| 13:06.58 | mathieu_ | i think you need to press shift when 'LILO' shows up |
| 13:07.00 | asg | DoktorTomoe: if you set your system up, chances are you aren't. |
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| 13:07.02 | mathieu_ | then it waits |
| 13:07.02 | thiago_ | No. I can't enter options. |
| 13:07.09 | mathieu_ | and then you can enter some options |
| 13:07.12 | Zvpun | thiago_: why not? |
| 13:07.28 | DoktorTomoe | asg: No, I am not. This should fix my problem. Thanks :) |
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| 13:07.33 | thiago_ | Because LiLo loads very fast. |
| 13:07.42 | mathieu_ | well press shift very fast :) |
| 13:07.45 | asg | DoktorTomoe: you're welcome. File a bug on that package though if non already exists. |
| 13:07.49 | thiago_ | It shows no options. |
| 13:07.50 | thiago_ | ok. |
| 13:08.05 | thiago_ | I will try Shift. I did not know that. |
| 13:08.06 | asg | thiago_: did you install this machine or did someone else do it for you? |
| 13:08.07 | mathieu_ | let me check if it really is shift |
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| 13:08.14 | asg | mathieu_: left shift |
| 13:08.24 | mathieu_ | ok |
| 13:08.24 | DoktorTomoe | asg: I will. As soon as I figured out, how... |
| 13:08.32 | asg | DoktorTomoe: apt-get install reportbug ; reportbug |
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| 13:15.56 | raorn | g'day |
| 13:15.56 | thiago_ | Oh. friends. |
| 13:15.58 | thiago_ | I got it. |
| 13:15.58 | thiago_ | I am now with the Lilo Prompt opened. |
| 13:15.58 | thiago_ | What must i to type? |
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| 13:16.36 | Zvpun | thiago_: what is your image called? if it is linux you type: "linux init=/bin/sh" |
| 13:16.42 | kromagg | I can't get lockd working properly on woody with the nfs-user-server |
| 13:16.46 | kromagg | anybody know what might be up? |
| 13:16.47 | raorn | i need help. what packages in debian depends or build-depends on ethereal-dev ? can someone tell me? |
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| 13:17.19 | Zvpun | raorn: man apt-cache |
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| 13:19.33 | raorn | Zvpun: i don't have debian |
| 13:20.02 | raorn | Zvpun: can apt-cache show builddeps? |
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| 13:20.17 | Zvpun | raorn: I think so |
| 13:20.39 | Zvpun | raorn: wait, I think it can display dependences I dont know about build-deps |
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| 13:21.54 | kromagg | I'll post the rpcinfo |
| 13:22.55 | raorn | oh! it is kismet |
| 13:22.57 | stuartSan | do i need to type bf24 even for woody net-inst |
| 13:23.00 | kromagg | anyway all I get on client is "lockd: failed to monitor xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" |
| 13:23.03 | kromagg | http://channels.debian.net/paste2/352 |
| 13:23.06 | _lupus_ | hi |
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| 13:24.22 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: there is no official woody netinst, so different ones have different kernel selections. I used one that came with the 2.4 kernel. |
| 13:24.44 | stuartSan | hey again MobyTurbo, didn't go too well that night :( |
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| 13:25.20 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:25.24 | stuartSan | i didn't know how to change the install target HD, and ended up wiping my HD with windows on it because i couldn't tell the difference between HD0 etc. |
| 13:25.31 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: what went wrong? |
| 13:25.47 | elephantman | What is this process cycle : /etc/rcS.d |
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| 13:26.02 | _lupus_ | i have problem with k3b when i su to root: k3b: cannot connect to X server ?! |
| 13:26.04 | stuartSan | basically i wanna install on D:, but yeah, what you said was right woody's installer is pretty unfriendly compared to sarge |
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| 13:26.24 | jm_ | _lupus_: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
| 13:26.25 | MobyTurbo | !tell _lupus_ about sux |
| 13:26.53 | PerfDave | _lupus_: Then don't run k3b as root :) |
| 13:26.55 | stuartSan | it didn't gave me options, it just asked me yes or no |
| 13:27.59 | _lupus_ | PerfDave but i have problem witg k3b like user :( |
| 13:28.07 | PerfDave | _lupus_: So fix them |
| 13:28.35 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: well, the good thing about a Debian installer is that you only have to use it once. ;) |
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| 13:29.02 | dannyp | when did this happen? http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
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| 13:29.04 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: unless you make mistakes :( |
| 13:29.10 | stuartSan | yeah i did :( |
| 13:29.21 | dannyp | did I miss the memo? |
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| 13:29.34 | stuartSan | is there a document that tells me how i could install into D: and make a multi-boot instead of just installing over C: and wiping everything including windows booting |
| 13:29.50 | valdyn_ | dannyp: 2-3 days ago |
| 13:29.57 | kromagg | oh nvm apparently locking isn't implemented yet on that version of the userspace server |
| 13:29.59 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: I assume you have some sort of backup for windows. That is, if you care about deleting windows. :-) |
| 13:30.01 | dannyp | well fuck |
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| 13:30.14 | valdyn_ | dannyp: and its not final yet either as far as I understand |
| 13:30.24 | blue_ | how do i compile a .c file? |
| 13:30.29 | PerfDave | stuartSan: That's not hard to do. |
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| 13:30.31 | blue_ | just to be able to run it |
| 13:30.32 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: wlel i have the winxp cd |
| 13:30.52 | ygnome | I've got a remote woody box that's giving me grief. big delays happening, outgoing mail stalling with 'timed out while sending message body' scp of a couple of megs stalls, ssh interface is fine until I cause a lot of display, then it has a long delay. Top shows nothing eating the cpu, memory is available, no errors in syslog. anything else I can check? |
| 13:31.08 | ReignWolve | blue g++ <filename> -o <desired exe name> |
| 13:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | If it's remote, ignore it ;) |
| 13:31.32 | ygnome | ifcfg shows no eth errors |
| 13:31.35 | ricky_clarkson | ReignWolve: Or gcc |
| 13:31.38 | fourcheeze | dannyp, did you read all tht page? |
| 13:31.40 | dannyp | well I'm one of the people who does lots of serious work with mplayer and mencoder, and this is really a huge huge bummer |
| 13:31.42 | blue_ | ReignWolve: what extension should it have? |
| 13:31.45 | ReignWolve | true RichiH |
| 13:31.46 | Zvpun | blue_: gcc foo.c -o foo -Wall |
| 13:31.46 | stuartSan | PerfDave: any help files on that though? |
| 13:31.47 | Xynth | sorry channel. winamp for /ame playing :( |
| 13:31.55 | stuartSan | cos it'd be a waste having downloading woody and still not being able to install |
| 13:32.00 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Th Installation Manual, if you're installing. |
| 13:32.01 | dannyp | yes |
| 13:32.03 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: I'm not too familiar with booting from a second hard disk, I don't think it's too hard though. I used to dual-boot on my first disk. I used partition magic to shrink my Windows NTFS partion, this was before parted (qt parted if you want a GUI) was good enough to do that for free. |
| 13:32.04 | valdyn_ | dannyp: why is it? mplayer didnt close, they only put a warning up |
| 13:32.08 | dannyp | I understand it's not based on current legal status, etc. etc. |
| 13:32.15 | dannyp | but rather an imminent risk |
| 13:32.18 | ReignWolve | well funny thing with linux you don't have to but an extension on it |
| 13:32.32 | dannyp | call me a pessimist |
| 13:32.39 | blue_ | thanks |
| 13:32.40 | ReignWolve | but = put |
| 13:32.42 | fourcheeze | dannyp, you're a pessimist |
| 13:32.44 | stuartSan | or maybe i could just remove my master HD and use the slave as master |
| 13:32.45 | ReignWolve | brain fart |
| 13:32.52 | stuartSan | and install linux there |
| 13:32.56 | stuartSan | basically saving me time |
| 13:32.58 | dannyp | ;) |
| 13:33.07 | valdyn_ | dannyp: i understand mplayer was stripped down to even fit to dfsg, i agree though that those patent things happening are ugly |
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| 13:33.19 | fourcheeze | the euro patent thing isn't as bad as it used to be |
| 13:33.31 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Or you could just install Debian on the second hard drive. Swapping drives will break Windows, or Linux, or both. |
| 13:33.36 | fourcheeze | and it as yet to get through the european parliament |
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| 13:34.19 | ygnome | ricky_clarkson: I'd love to ignore it, but if it doesn't sort out, I'm going to have to go and sort it out in person. |
| 13:34.21 | pipo_ | Hola |
| 13:34.26 | dannyp | help us xiph and ogg... you're our only hope |
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| 13:34.32 | pipo_ | alguien me ayuda en este error por favor. |
| 13:34.36 | ricky_clarkson | !es |
| 13:34.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:34.46 | stuartSan | do i need to pre-partition/format my D: or do i do all that in the woody installer |
| 13:34.57 | pipo_ | E : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned on error code (1) |
| 13:35.01 | stuartSan | because if i don't need to pre-format etc. i'm gonna skip this part of the manual about pre-partitioning |
| 13:35.17 | MobyTurbo | fourcheeze: due to absenteeism, the parliment is projected to need a 2/3rds vote to defeat patents this time. Observers are doubtful that they will be able to muster up the super-majority |
| 13:35.19 | wers | stuartSan The installer does it..sort of |
| 13:35.33 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Suck it and see. |
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| 13:35.52 | wers | stuartSan DEpending on flavor the installer will launch fdisk ,diskdruid or somilar |
| 13:35.59 | PerfDave | stuartSan: If you don't want to resize or move NTFS partitions you should be fine. |
| 13:36.12 | stuartSan | its fat32 tho lol |
| 13:36.23 | stuartSan | shoudl i change it to ntfs? |
| 13:36.24 | wers | stuartSan Then its no worries |
| 13:36.37 | wers | stuartSan why not ext3 |
| 13:36.41 | lestest | is there a way to configure iptables to "forward listening pots" dynamically? |
| 13:36.56 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: it's better if it's FAT. NTFS is non-writable and the partitions shrink less reliably than FAT |
| 13:37.28 | stuartSan | okay i need my dinner first before i continue my quest to have a multimedia linux o/s running |
| 13:37.39 | stuartSan | be back laters.. hope you guys will be around. |
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| 13:38.06 | brosio | anyone known a good howto about crypto a file system ? |
| 13:38.08 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: I'll be at work by 9 (8:39 now) |
| 13:38.14 | stuartSan | dang! |
| 13:38.21 | PerfDave | stuartSan: No, don't use NTFS, it sucks ass ;) |
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| 13:39.27 | s3xmachine | hello people.. |
| 13:39.41 | s3xmachine | how do i fix broken packages? i cant install mono |
| 13:39.48 | s3xmachine | and gforge because of broken packages |
| 13:40.12 | ricky_clarkson | s3xmachine: Did the error message tell you what to do? |
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| 13:41.16 | stew | s3xmachine: have you run apt-get update recently |
| 13:41.27 | ygnome | how do I check if I'm out of inodes? |
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| 13:41.39 | stew | ygnome: df -i |
| 13:41.45 | ygnome | thks |
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| 13:43.01 | xpato | how can i know the memory consume by programs? not the %, the total amount |
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| 13:44.08 | s3xmachine | yeah i did.. |
| 13:44.14 | stew | xpato: use top |
| 13:44.37 | stew | xpato: or ps |
| 13:44.40 | ygnome | stew: it's not that then... |
| 13:45.00 | stew | ygnome: what? |
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| 13:45.28 | ygnome | I've got a stalled 'ls' running over ssh and top doesn't show anything wrong. |
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| 13:46.29 | stew | ygnome: can you ssh in again and repeat it with the same results? |
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| 13:46.55 | ygnome | stew: yea, anything with a lot of output is stalling |
| 13:47.22 | ygnome | stew: file transfer and mail is sucky too. |
| 13:47.31 | stew | ygnome: sounds networking related |
| 13:47.34 | jetscreamer | why is gdm able to log a user in automatically but not need a password |
| 13:47.39 | stew | ygnome: bad nic maybe |
| 13:47.45 | s3xmachine | has anyone tried installing gforge on debian? |
| 13:47.55 | jetscreamer | i did... had a bork once |
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| 13:48.15 | jetscreamer | i didn't know what i was doing though, but i think it wasn't my fault |
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| 13:48.17 | ygnome | stew: no errors in ifconfig tho... |
| 13:48.38 | stew | ygnome: yeah, i would blame hardware first |
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| 13:48.52 | jetscreamer | there was once package gforge related didn't work out for me. i forget which |
| 13:48.53 | xpato | stew, what mean VSZ and RSS |
| 13:48.54 | xpato | ? |
| 13:49.00 | stew | s3xmachine: paste the exact error you are getting in #flood |
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| 13:49.31 | stew | xpato: all those fields are documented in the manpage |
| 13:49.49 | stew | xpato: virt maybe |
| 13:49.58 | s3xmachine | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 13:49.59 | s3xmachine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:50.11 | jetscreamer | oh that one... |
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| 13:50.29 | jetscreamer | sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb |
| 13:50.39 | abortigeno | hello, sorry for bad english and for the intromission in a discussion , i got a question about pbuilder; pbuilder create sid|sarge|woody build a base.tgz based on the list of debootstrap or what? and is building up all this pachages or use binary? thanks |
| 13:51.11 | jetscreamer | nice paste in #flood btw |
| 13:51.28 | s3xmachine | ok |
| 13:51.34 | s3xmachine | ill paste it in #flood |
| 13:51.40 | s3xmachine | it has a error again |
| 13:51.43 | s3xmachine | ill paste it in #flood |
| 13:51.44 | jetscreamer | there is another package i had problems with |
| 13:51.52 | jetscreamer | besides that one |
| 13:52.07 | DrunkenFreak | tar xjf `ls -1` <<<won't work: tar: control-center-2.10.0.tar.bz2: Not found in archive. any idea? |
| 13:52.22 | jetscreamer | try tar xvjf |
| 13:52.24 | s3xmachine | its on #flood right now |
| 13:52.38 | DrunkenFreak | jetscreamer: same |
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| 13:53.17 | QUACH-VU | my debian server just can login with name " user" after that must type SU and then put in root password to become "root" user. how can i login directly with user "ROOT"? |
| 13:53.33 | QUACH-VU | and must not use SU command |
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| 13:53.39 | Ronin | QUACH-VU: you dont |
| 13:53.45 | DrunkenFreak | QUACH-VU: edit the sshd.conf |
| 13:53.45 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 13:53.49 | jetscreamer | DrunkenFreak, i've no idea then, beyod my limits |
| 13:53.50 | caphuso | Mar 15 14:52:30 caphuso sshd[9206]: Illegal user lucy from ::ffff:196.7.18.130 |
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| 13:54.19 | QUACH-VU | DrunkenFreak how can edit sshd.conf ? what should i change? |
| 13:54.20 | jetscreamer | caphuso, did you ever move the default port off of 22? |
| 13:54.24 | SkippedySkop | hmm what's the best way to see how much traffic is passing through an interface? |
| 13:54.25 | simonrvn | caphuso: "oh lucy!" |
| 13:54.27 | stew | abortigeno: yes, debootstrap, its using binary pacakges |
| 13:54.27 | caphuso | jetscreamer: no |
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| 13:54.42 | transgress | quach-vu man ssh |
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| 13:54.51 | DrunkenFreak | QUACH-VU: you have to give root access to login directly |
| 13:55.08 | visual | anyone tell me some good windows emulator? |
| 13:55.15 | wers | visual WIne+ |
| 13:55.16 | visual | tried Wine, it sucked |
| 13:55.17 | dannyp | a dead fish |
| 13:55.18 | RobJE | Anyone got a clue why "cut -c1-72 bndry.F | /lib/cpp -I. -C -traditional -DNCARG -DRECLENBYTE -DSGI > bndry.f" works on one system and not on an other? |
| 13:55.22 | jetscreamer | yes w2k is a good windows emulator |
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| 13:55.26 | wers | visual vmware |
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| 13:55.31 | jetscreamer | i hear xp tries hard also |
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| 13:55.32 | QUACH-VU | DrunkenFreak but when i login as "root" it alway say wrong password, though i can use root's password to login with SU command |
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| 13:55.59 | transgress | quach-vu and you are doing this via ssh? |
| 13:56.05 | QUACH-VU | where does file sshd.conf locate ? |
| 13:56.08 | dannyp | QUACH-VU: disabling root logins via ssh is a common security practice |
| 13:56.12 | QUACH-VU | yes via SSH |
| 13:56.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.24 | transgress | yeah you have to turn in login as root on the conf file |
| 13:56.42 | wers | QUACH-VU root cant by default login remotley via ssh |
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| 13:56.53 | stew | wers: not true |
| 13:56.53 | abortigeno | stew, and the flags meaned in the configuration file in pbuilder are mean to build up the source of the list of debootstrap? |
| 13:57.06 | jetscreamer | i don't remember having to turn on root in ssh |
| 13:57.12 | QUACH-VU | if i dont change it, how can i connect into server with FTP client as root? |
| 13:57.14 | jetscreamer | i just do it, but i'm no expert |
| 13:57.16 | transgress | i know i did |
| 13:57.20 | visual | anything else? |
| 13:57.27 | visual | wmware dont got debian package |
| 13:57.37 | transgress | on one box and made sure it was off on the other |
| 13:57.39 | stew | abortigeno: i'm not understanding you there |
| 13:57.41 | jetscreamer | wine? |
| 13:57.47 | visual | wine is crap kinda |
| 13:57.54 | jetscreamer | winex? |
| 13:57.55 | QUACH-VU | actually there now problem with SU command, the problem is when i dont let login directly with root, i couldnt use FTp client to connect to server via port 22 as ROOT |
| 13:57.58 | transgress | well you aren'g going to get much better than wine |
| 13:58.05 | transgress | unless you are gaming then yeah... winex |
| 13:58.05 | jetscreamer | you have to pay for that though i hear |
| 13:58.10 | visual | jetscreamer: whats diff between Wine and WineX? |
| 13:58.23 | transgress | wineX is strictly for gaming and it's called cedega now |
| 13:58.24 | jetscreamer | ones better and costs money? not sure never did wine |
| 13:58.27 | stew | QUACH-VU: ftp client to connect to ssh? wtf? |
| 13:58.29 | PerfDave | WineX has a DirectX too. |
| 13:58.31 | transgress | and you have to pay for cedega |
| 13:58.33 | QUACH-VU | stew yes |
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| 13:58.46 | PerfDave | There are freely available versions of WineX, aren't there? |
| 13:58.47 | abortigeno | stew, sorry i mean if is possible to build up the source of the list of debootstrap whit a tool, or if pbuilder is done to do this and i have just to dig better in the documentation |
| 13:58.48 | QUACH-VU | FTP client to connect o server via port 22 as ROOT |
| 13:58.49 | kneet | QUACH-VU, scp yes, sftp yes - ftp - no |
| 13:58.57 | transgress | perfdave yeah on bittorrent |
| 13:59.12 | jetscreamer | lol@transgress |
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| 13:59.18 | PerfDave | transgress: I mean legally freely available ones. |
| 13:59.36 | transgress | i don't think so... they had a trial version for a short time, but they stopped that |
| 13:59.43 | quiet | is KDE 3.4 available in SID yet? |
| 13:59.50 | PerfDave | transgress: I'm pretty sure there is, from when I was looking through the Cedega site. |
| 13:59.55 | kneet | QUACH-VU, unless you mean ftp over an ssh tunnel? But why not use sftp then |
| 13:59.55 | PerfDave | Is KDE 3.4 out yet? |
| 13:59.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.00 | jm_ | quiet: has kde 3.4 been released? |
| 14:00.00 | caphuso | quiet: kde 3.4 doesn't exist |
| 14:00.02 | quiet | i have it on Arch |
| 14:00.03 | jetscreamer | no it's inside hiding |
| 14:00.10 | tripz_ | !tell luke23 about root |
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| 14:00.11 | stew | abortigeno: i'm sorry, i don't know |
| 14:00.12 | caphuso | quiet: liar |
| 14:00.13 | QUACH-VU | i use CuteFTP |
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| 14:00.22 | transgress | perfdave not unless they recently did it... because i was checking it out thoroughly about a month ago |
| 14:00.31 | quiet | caphuso, http://bsdbox.home.insightbb.com/arch.png |
| 14:00.32 | abortigeno | stew, tanks i will figure it out |
| 14:00.32 | QUACH-VU | to connect to servr as ROOT, so its easy to edit files of system |
| 14:00.33 | caphuso | quiet: or arch linux lies, not sure. but there definitely is no kde 3.4 |
| 14:00.41 | transgress | but guy you are free to look whoever was asking about it... transgaming.com i think... or maybe .org |
| 14:00.41 | abortigeno | tanks to all, gretings |
| 14:00.42 | quiet | yes there is... |
| 14:00.52 | jetscreamer | actually i thinkKDE 3.4 Release Candidate 1 |
| 14:00.58 | jm_ | no there isn't |
| 14:01.01 | caphuso | quiet: well, then someone ought to tell the KDE project about it |
| 14:01.03 | jm_ | exactly |
| 14:01.07 | QUACH-VU | yes i use sftp kneet |
| 14:01.10 | jetscreamer | http://kde.org/ |
| 14:01.12 | caphuso | quiet: because they sure as hell don't have it on their site |
| 14:01.14 | QUACH-VU | but cant login directly as root |
| 14:01.19 | RobJE | Anyone got a clue why "cut -c1-72 bndry.F | /lib/cpp -I. -C -traditional -DNCARG -DRECLENBYTE -DSGI > bndry.f" works on one system and not on an other? |
| 14:01.27 | quiet | KDE 3.4 is at RC1 |
| 14:01.34 | tripz_ | RobJE: system? |
| 14:01.36 | jetscreamer | really? |
| 14:01.43 | jetscreamer | wow rc1 who woulda guessed |
| 14:01.44 | transgress | quach-vu and as we said you won't be able to until you edit the config file for sshd |
| 14:01.46 | caphuso | quiet: see, that means it's not kde 3.4 yet |
| 14:01.51 | RobJE | Debian testing, tripz_ |
| 14:01.54 | Ronin | QUACH-VU: security concerns aside, have you enabled login by root? otherwised its not goint to work |
| 14:02.06 | quiet | I figured it would've been in SID at least... |
| 14:02.09 | QUACH-VU | no i havent |
| 14:02.16 | caphuso | quiet: stop figuring |
| 14:02.26 | SkippedySkop | hmm what's the best way to see how much traffic is passing through an interface? |
| 14:02.31 | transgress | quach-vu: cd /etc/ssh/ vi sshd.conf |
| 14:02.39 | transgress | i think |
| 14:02.41 | jetscreamer | quiet, sid doesnt' really mean unstable, more like 'packages are in a constant state of flux, and may break w/o notice' |
| 14:02.44 | caphuso | quiet: assuming won't get you anywhere. check facts instead, because that turns out to work in the long run |
| 14:02.58 | tripz_ | RobJE: works? any errors on non-working system? |
| 14:02.59 | dka | SkippedySkop: install an acounting service |
| 14:03.05 | QUACH-VU | sshd.conf there is no sshd.conf in /etc/ssh/ |
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| 14:03.14 | QUACH-VU | i just find in that folder |
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| 14:03.17 | jetscreamer | !tell quiet about experimental |
| 14:03.24 | s3xmachine | hi guys |
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| 14:03.30 | caphuso | QUACH-VU: that's because it's called sshd_config and not sshd.conf |
| 14:03.33 | s3xmachine | can anyone help me with gforge ? |
| 14:03.33 | SkippedySkop | an accounting service? i though there would be some command |
| 14:03.38 | transgress | i really hate grub... almost as much as i hate a certain someone's mother... |
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| 14:03.50 | transgress | not that it doesn't work well... but i can't get rid of the bastard on my other machine |
| 14:03.51 | quiet | jetscreamer, does that have 3.4 rc1 in it? |
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| 14:04.00 | transgress | which locks me into a grub screen that does nothing |
| 14:04.00 | jetscreamer | quiet, i doubt it |
| 14:04.05 | RobJE | On one system (cpp 3.3.4) no problem, other system cpp (3.3.5) it barfs "cc1: internal compiler error: in ten_to_ptwo, at real.c:2058 |
| 14:04.05 | RobJE | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 14:04.05 | RobJE | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 14:04.05 | RobJE | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 14:04.06 | RobJE | For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions, see |
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| 14:04.14 | quiet | jetscreamer, okay, thanks |
| 14:04.19 | S4nD3r_ | Where do I find tutorials about nis client ? |
| 14:04.45 | jetscreamer | quiet, there's 'probably' some unofficial .debs somewhere, or learn compiling... i compiled gnome finally. |
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| 14:04.58 | transgress | what's a good way to get rid of grub to make way for lilo? and zeroing it won't work... it just hangs at the beginning too |
| 14:05.09 | quiet | jetscreamer, I can compile.. I just didn't want to take the time ;P |
| 14:05.19 | jetscreamer | transgress, i just ran lilo, grubs still installed here, but lilo works |
| 14:05.25 | stew | transgress: you can just install one over top of the other to replace it |
| 14:05.27 | caphuso | transgress: you don't need to get rid of grub |
| 14:05.39 | caphuso | transgress: just install lilo, configure it, run it, done |
| 14:05.40 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 14:06.06 | jetscreamer | yeah compiling gnome took hours :/ |
| 14:06.06 | RobJE | tripz_, whoops flooded the thing :( |
| 14:06.10 | s3xmachine | jest screamer.. can you help me with the error i posted on #flood |
| 14:06.14 | transgress | caphuso: did that, now it hangs at the beginning where grub tries to load... i was doing a reinstall and didn't want grub but instead lilo |
| 14:06.18 | jetscreamer | RobJE, hence #flood |
| 14:06.29 | RobJE | tripz_, did you see the error? |
| 14:06.33 | caphuso | transgress: well, then you managed to misconfigure lilo |
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| 14:06.39 | jetscreamer | transgress, boot up a rescue cd... woody as a rescue cd rocks |
| 14:07.12 | RobJE | jetscreamer, yes i know again. Don't do a log of IRC |
| 14:07.14 | jetscreamer | !tell s3xmachine about fix-unmet |
| 14:07.19 | transgress | blarg alright... suppose i'll give it another shot |
| 14:07.46 | stew | s3xmachine: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:08.23 | s3xmachine | unstable |
| 14:08.25 | s3xmachine | the net install |
| 14:08.25 | lestest | anybody knows a linux floppy distro that can make me restore a filesystem tar archive stored on the network? |
| 14:08.56 | QUACH-VU | what should i change in ssh_confignow to login directly as root? |
| 14:09.00 | QUACH-VU | what should i change in ssh_config now to login directly as root? |
| 14:09.13 | stew | s3xmachine: are you trying to install gforge from non-debian sources? |
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| 14:09.18 | drac | QUACH-VU: You can't miss it, if you do, man sshd_config |
| 14:09.21 | jetscreamer | QUACH-VU, it might be sshd_config... not sure |
| 14:09.27 | s3xmachine | nope.. its from a debian repository |
| 14:09.27 | jetscreamer | there are both |
| 14:09.36 | jetscreamer | try the fix-unmet thing |
| 14:09.41 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 14:09.52 | jetscreamer | !worship dselect |
| 14:10.08 | QUACH-VU | ok i am now in sshd_config but dont know what should i change now |
| 14:10.42 | stew | s3xmachine: the version dependencies that it was complaining about don't seem to be from the current sid repository |
| 14:10.55 | s3xmachine | oic.. |
| 14:10.56 | s3xmachine | ok.. |
| 14:11.10 | S4nD3r_ | nobody may help me to setup NIS client? |
| 14:11.21 | stew | uhh, in this channel you say its debian repository and in flood you say its a gforge repository |
| 14:11.25 | stew | i quit |
| 14:12.07 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: WTF do you want to log in as root to ssh? |
| 14:12.20 | QUACH-VU | yes simon |
| 14:12.29 | QUACH-VU | i want to login directly as ROOT into SSH, |
| 14:12.32 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: reading docs is a good idea |
| 14:12.40 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: dumb idea, if you ask me |
| 14:12.45 | stew | simonrvn: and he wants to do it with cuteftp |
| 14:12.52 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 14:12.54 | S4nD3r_ | simonrvn, the docs I READ |
| 14:13.09 | S4nD3r_ | http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian-howto/nis.html |
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| 14:13.42 | QUACH-VU | simon why? |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 14:13.44 | dpkg | salut |
| 14:13.47 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:13.50 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: there's a good reason that some ftpds don't even allow root logins, and it's hardcoded into them. same goes for a sane config of an sshd. |
| 14:13.52 | kneet | simonrvn, if you drop the security problem you can use e.g. ange-ftp from emacs to directly edit the files on the server inside your local emacs (how CuteFTp works at this I don't know). However - for me - I don't like the allowing remote root idea at all |
| 14:14.13 | skydoll | hello |
| 14:14.17 | abrotman | root shouldn't be allowed to directly login remotely |
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| 14:14.26 | kethinov | QUACH-VU, nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change allow root logins to yes. HOWEVER, allowing root to ssh into your machine is a BAD IDEA |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | that said .. you could copy a file with scp as root .. i think |
| 14:14.44 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: you use "su -", logging in from a user account |
| 14:15.00 | dka | kethinov: why is it a bad idea? |
| 14:15.05 | jetscreamer | i have copied files with scp using root@blah for target |
| 14:15.21 | QUACH-VU | simon yes, i can do that with putty ,, but when i use cuteFTP to conenct server as ROOT,i cant use SU command to change into ROOT |
| 14:15.24 | kethinov | dka, it makes your system remarkably less secure |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | QUACH-VU: use filezilla |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | and wait .. why is anyone using ftp ? |
| 14:15.50 | dka | kethinov: it is a general answer, details plz? |
| 14:15.53 | QUACH-VU | filezilla i have it, and then what should i do? |
| 14:15.54 | kneet | sftp |
| 14:15.56 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: why is simple, security. if there's a bug anywhere in the software between you and the other host, blam, "oh lookie there, a root password. bwahahaha!" |
| 14:16.16 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: um, unix commands are *lower* case, FYI |
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| 14:16.33 | neijk | MEPIS debian i hear that comes with support for microsoft programs is this true does anyone know? |
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| 14:16.51 | abrotman | simonrvn: maybe he's a manager .. using big letters for added importance? |
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| 14:16.52 | kethinov | dka, if you disable root logins, in order for someone to root your box, they'd have to 1. guess a user login, 2, guess the password, and 3, guess the root password using su. it creates 3 layers of remote security whereas allowing root logins creates only one. |
| 14:16.53 | simonrvn | neijk: #mepis would |
| 14:17.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: blah |
| 14:17.03 | QUACH-VU | can any one explain why login directly as root is risk for security? |
| 14:17.05 | neijk | thanks |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: rah! |
| 14:17.17 | abrotman | it's an extra layer |
| 14:17.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: :) |
| 14:17.32 | kneet | but then you can get into ssh-agent protected key based logins :-) |
| 14:17.42 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: easy: like kethinov said, 3 layers instead of just one. |
| 14:18.05 | S4nD3r_ | nis client |
| 14:18.05 | S4nD3r_ | this work in debian ??? |
| 14:18.05 | Spark_ | QUACH-VU: doing it isnt a problem, having the capability available for it to be done is a problem |
| 14:18.05 | dka | kethinov: having a password sufficiently long gives you the same level of security. |
| 14:18.05 | S4nD3r_ | http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian-howto/nis.html |
| 14:18.07 | DrunkenFreak | is there any chance to ignore the dependencies with dpkg-buildpackage? i'm trying to build gnome 2.10 *g* |
| 14:18.11 | Spark_ | its like the opposite of telnet, having the daemon running isnt a problem but using it is |
| 14:18.13 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: yes. |
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| 14:18.33 | kethinov | dka, not at all, what if you should compromise that password's security. even with that password, it's useless to a potential hacker should he not know any of the user logins too |
| 14:18.35 | simonrvn | dka: *bzzzt*. still only 1 layer |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | dka: that's bunk |
| 14:18.39 | dka | kethinov: bthw, I have a number unwanted visitors on my box on sshd, but nobody try root account so far. |
| 14:18.44 | simonrvn | dka: just takes longer for that layer |
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| 14:19.38 | S4nD3r_ | simonrvn, tell me a tutorial which shows how to setup nis client |
| 14:19.46 | simonrvn | you put in as many layers as you can, to counter-balance bugs, an inherently insecure environment, and other nasty things |
| 14:20.08 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: i don't have one, i don't use NIS, i use LDAP like a sane person. :P |
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| 14:20.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: really .. sane? |
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| 14:21.13 | kneet | saner than nis |
| 14:21.27 | S4nD3r_ | Ohhh |
| 14:21.37 | stew | DrunkenFreak: did you edit the source-code / debian/rules so that those build dependencies are no longer needed? otherwise you won't be able to build without all of the build-deps |
| 14:21.39 | S4nD3r_ | I wont get help about it |
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| 14:21.55 | simonrvn | at least you have GSSAPI, TLS/ssl, DIGEST|CRAM-MD5, and other shit with LDAP. you don't have that with NIS. |
| 14:22.33 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: i would if i could, though. sorry |
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| 14:23.23 | simonrvn | NIS was developed at a time where you didn't have (as many) script kiddies roaming the net, and everything was sent in the clear |
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| 14:23.42 | DrunkenFreak | stew: oh thx. for sure i didn't *g* |
| 14:23.55 | RobJE | tripz_ your still here |
| 14:24.02 | S4nD3r_ | Nis is enough to authenticate process in the network used by us |
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| 14:25.04 | simonrvn | hey greycat. doing well this morning? |
| 14:25.25 | greycat | simonrvn: been better. trying to build something that's written in C++. That's always a bad thing. |
| 14:25.50 | simonrvn | ugh. i hate building c++ stuff. it always sucks up half my RAM |
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| 14:26.02 | simonrvn | (well, around 100 MB) |
| 14:26.10 | greycat | google says that __cxa_pure_virtual errors and the like may be caused by C++ ABI incompatibilities, so I get to try to guess which version of g++ I used when I installed ncurses. fun, right? RIGHT?!?!? |
| 14:26.11 | abrotman | !tell me about badgers |
| 14:26.19 | PerfDave | simonrvn: I need to run distcc on some of our stupidly powerful servers ;) |
| 14:26.30 | simonrvn | greycat: ugh |
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| 14:26.36 | simonrvn | PerfDave: hehe |
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| 14:26.58 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, didn't think of that. i can run distcc now. |
| 14:27.12 | simonrvn | a G3, and a 604e/185 |
| 14:27.15 | greycat | Pbbbbbt. |
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| 14:27.26 | greycat | as if mere *cpu time* were the problem. Hah. |
| 14:27.36 | simonrvn | it isn't ;) |
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| 14:28.02 | greycat | GAH. now I'm back to curses errors. |
| 14:28.06 | greycat | prog/check_funs.cpp:219: implicit declaration of function `int halfdelay(...)' |
| 14:28.10 | darkskiez | right, coke on laptop keyboard, keyboard removed, - wash under tap, good or bad idea? |
| 14:28.10 | greycat | and so on |
| 14:28.22 | simonrvn | was building pdns yesterday. it's coded in C++. i'd watch cc1plus bloat to 100+ MB to build an .o file... |
| 14:28.28 | abrotman | darkskiez: bad |
| 14:28.47 | abrotman | darkskiez: better to use uhm .. crap .. special water :) |
| 14:28.58 | PerfDave | If you're using maildir, then does /var/spool/mail/$USER become a folder instead of a file? |
| 14:28.59 | simonrvn | distilled water |
| 14:29.02 | greycat | why the hell didn't ./configure pick up ncurses/curses.h when I told it to use gcc-2.95/bin/g++? It picked it up when I used gcc-3.3/bin/g++! |
| 14:29.19 | abrotman | darkskiez: google for "salt water laptop" .. i had to find a way to clean my dad's laptop when he decided to use his laptop on deck |
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| 14:29.23 | simonrvn | PerfDave: usually gets stored in ~$USER/Maildir |
| 14:29.24 | asg | PerfDave: probably need a final '/' to indicate maildir |
| 14:29.27 | greycat | PerfDave: if you're using a maildir, $HOME/Maildir/ should be a dir.\ |
| 14:29.40 | PerfDave | simonrvn, greycat: Fair enough |
| 14:29.46 | greycat | PerfDave: and you should have export MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ in one of your dotfiles (unfortunately, you CANNOT use /etc/environment for it) |
| 14:30.03 | simonrvn | yeh, and the final / counts especially for things like procmail |
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| 14:31.22 | abrotman | is dpkg having serious issues? |
| 14:31.23 | darkskiez | abrotman, too late, laptop keyboard is under tap, not mine thankfully. |
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| 14:31.36 | abrotman | darkskiez: it's ok .. it will last a few months .. then corrode .. oh well |
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| 14:31.45 | simonrvn | !test |
| 14:31.45 | dpkg | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 14:31.53 | simonrvn | seems ok |
| 14:31.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: in /msg .. he won't respond |
| 14:32.10 | simonrvn | ah. might be ignoring you? |
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| 14:32.13 | abrotman | !test |
| 14:32.13 | dpkg | Yes, abrotman, you're still online. |
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| 14:32.13 | greycat | he responds to me in /msg |
| 14:32.15 | abrotman | no |
| 14:32.31 | simonrvn | responds in /msg too |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | maybe dondel made him do it? |
| 14:32.34 | abrotman | hrm |
| 14:32.51 | zrg | hello. i have installed new kernel by kents 10 step guide and now when i try to boot it i get kernel error it says the kernel image aint found or something. someone know this issue_ |
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| 14:33.07 | zrg | im using grub. |
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| 14:33.10 | PerfDave | zrg: Why didn't you just install a kernel-image package? |
| 14:33.15 | zrg | i did |
| 14:33.18 | abrotman | !tell me about badgers |
| 14:33.30 | zrg | dpkg -i kernel-image-blabla.deb |
| 14:33.37 | greycat | "it says the kernel image aint found or something"?? |
| 14:33.42 | zrg | yeah |
| 14:33.43 | greycat | we're supposed to help you when you say things like THAT?! |
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| 14:33.48 | greycat | !errors |
| 14:33.48 | zrg | where is bootlog ? |
| 14:33.49 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 14:33.55 | greycat | !faq zrg |
| 14:33.55 | dpkg | zrg: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:34.14 | greycat | although the stuff for turning on a boot log is no longer on the front page of the new FAQ |
| 14:34.15 | zrg | cant copy url, im in console :E |
| 14:34.24 | greycat | I can't tell you which page, precisely, it's on any more. |
| 14:34.37 | jetscreamer | zrg, man screen then |
| 14:34.47 | zrg | grr |
| 14:34.53 | jetscreamer | and it's /var/log btw |
| 14:34.54 | greycat | but since you should have read ALL of the fucking FAQ BEFORE you shot off your incredibly stupid mouth here, you should know which page it's on. |
| 14:35.10 | jetscreamer | oooo greycat wrong side of bed |
| 14:35.19 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.19 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.19 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.29 | PerfDave | zrg: What's this "kents 10 step guide" you refer to? |
| 14:35.33 | zrg | how can i tell you error if i dont remember what it was? i dont know where to look for the error line error |
| 14:35.39 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 14:35.42 | simonrvn | "oh no, i can't copy&paste!!! i'm in console." A: "gpm, or screen" |
| 14:35.58 | greycat | or god forbid, he could TYPE it. |
| 14:36.00 | simonrvn | greycat: ugh. fugly |
| 14:36.05 | jetscreamer | i've been to dll_hell, your c++ scares me not |
| 14:36.09 | shakparl | greycat: no! read and type? never |
| 14:36.20 | simonrvn | "oh no!! i have to TYPE!?!?!1" |
| 14:36.23 | comeon | anyone knows any java channel? |
| 14:36.25 | zrg | ... |
| 14:36.29 | stew | comeon: #java |
| 14:36.30 | PerfDave | comeon: #java |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | comeon: think about that |
| 14:36.41 | jetscreamer | comeon man, think! |
| 14:36.48 | shakparl | comeon and /list ;) |
| 14:36.49 | simonrvn | zrg: we're teasing, it's ok. |
| 14:36.53 | greycat | now the weird thing is, I *told* it to link in the snprintf.o file that I specifically searched for, downloaded and compiled for hp-ux 10.20, so WHY is it still bitching about vsnprintf? |
| 14:36.55 | zrg | i know |
| 14:37.04 | simonrvn | or /msg chanserv list regex |
| 14:37.08 | zrg | still, there is no such log i look for in /var/log/ |
| 14:37.10 | comeon | thanks, but is no one in there... thanks anyway... |
| 14:37.12 | greycat | god I hate c++. nothing fucking makes any SENSE. |
| 14:37.24 | greycat | I may just have to give up trying to build aspell for hp-ux. |
| 14:37.25 | jetscreamer | zrg, try typing dmesg |
| 14:37.32 | jetscreamer | and /var/log/syslog iirc |
| 14:37.38 | jetscreamer | ^less |
| 14:37.40 | zrg | k |
| 14:37.40 | shakparl | greycat: oh you have the misfortune of admin'ing hpux too? |
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| 14:37.46 | simonrvn | aspell is in c++? ugh |
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| 14:37.50 | maria | hola |
| 14:37.50 | Castoro | Hi all |
| 14:38.07 | Sordok | hi need help with FAX |
| 14:38.11 | greycat | simonrvn: *and* it uses vsnprintf. |
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| 14:38.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:38.20 | maria | alguien entiende el español? |
| 14:38.22 | greycat | !es |
| 14:38.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:38.24 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:38.29 | jetscreamer | damn i'm slow |
| 14:38.30 | Castoro | ...anyone could suggest a repository containing LibDvd and W32codecs? Marillat one seems don't work.. |
| 14:38.39 | greycat | this is not the same maria who's been here previously. |
| 14:38.47 | jetscreamer | !tell Castoro about marillat |
| 14:38.49 | LSorensen | Castoro: usually works for me |
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| 14:38.55 | visual | !tell maria greycat |
| 14:38.59 | jetscreamer | oh dh |
| 14:39.02 | visual | !greycat |
| 14:39.02 | dpkg | i heard greycat is at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or he has nice furry legs |
| 14:39.10 | stew | visual: ? |
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| 14:39.23 | Sordok | have probs with Fax configuration |
| 14:39.27 | visual | !bug |
| 14:39.27 | dpkg | well, bug is bad news |
| 14:39.28 | jetscreamer | marillat ones work here also btw |
| 14:39.42 | greycat | stew: I have visual on /ignore. |
| 14:39.42 | jetscreamer | !tell Sordok about ask |
| 14:39.44 | visual | !troll greycat |
| 14:39.46 | zrg | that log says nothing about error |
| 14:39.48 | greycat | stew: he's probably pissed about that. |
| 14:40.05 | Castoro | jetscreamer, LSorensen , gave me something about a public key not available |
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| 14:40.21 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 14:40.21 | dpkg | :), jetscreamer |
| 14:40.22 | LSorensen | Castoro: are you using debsigs or whatever that signature checking package is? |
| 14:40.22 | stew | greycat: yeah, i remember |
| 14:40.33 | stew | visual: stop abusing the bot |
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| 14:40.44 | aixing | how do you check to see if php 5 is installed? |
| 14:40.47 | Castoro | LSorensen, dunno ... |
| 14:40.51 | LSorensen | aixing: dpkg -l php5 |
| 14:41.00 | aixing | thanks |
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| 14:41.07 | trans_err | why is SSH latency so poor sometimes, is there anyway to change this? My server serves up the HTML/PHP/MySQL stuff just fine, but SSH remote administration can at times be a pain... |
| 14:41.10 | LSorensen | Castoro: nothing else I can think of would complain about signatures. most archives don't yet have signatures as far as I know. |
| 14:41.38 | Castoro | LSorensen, so you suggest to disable the sign checking? |
| 14:41.39 | jetscreamer | debsums, debtags, (debsigs you say) |
| 14:42.00 | greycat | `If you have a USG (System V) system, you will at least have to copy "local.h.samp" to "local.h", then add "#define USG" to local.h before compiling.'' |
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| 14:42.03 | greycat | Ugh. |
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| 14:42.40 | LSorensen | Castoro: I sure haven't found it useful, only extremely annoying |
| 14:42.51 | Castoro | :D |
| 14:43.02 | LSorensen | greycat: how about replacing hpux with debian? :) |
| 14:43.11 | greycat | LSorensen: not an option, I'm afraid. |
| 14:43.16 | Sordok | sendfax --> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password |
| 14:43.26 | shakparl | greycat: you know about the software porting archive for hpux right |
| 14:43.39 | greycat | shakparl: if I can't build it, it doesn't exist. Period. |
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| 14:43.52 | greycat | shakparl: except for lsof and trace, which I did grab as binaries. |
| 14:43.56 | Castoro | However, i don't have debsigs installed... |
| 14:44.17 | vladkao | greycat: they used to use ./configure for that... ;-) |
| 14:44.32 | greycat | vladkao: apparently ispell does not. |
| 14:44.49 | vladkao | cool. good for you ;-) |
| 14:44.52 | lestest | is there an howto to install a debian rescue usb pen drive? |
| 14:45.01 | Maliuta | my bank seems to have disapeared off the net some time in the last 4 hours |
| 14:45.03 | vladkao | but why are you compiling it from source, greycat |
| 14:45.07 | Maliuta | oops |
| 14:45.16 | greycat | vladkao: HP-UX imadev B.10.20 A 9000/785 2008897791 two-user license |
| 14:45.23 | shakparl | greycat: not even bash? |
| 14:45.28 | greycat | shakparl: compiled. |
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| 14:45.37 | streuner | lestest: try /msg dpkg ig |
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| 14:46.04 | vladkao | greycat: sorry, but sucks to be you :-) |
| 14:46.12 | streuner | lestest: i saw an USB iso at .jp mirror onces... |
| 14:46.17 | shakparl | HP-UX pghpdev B.11.23 U ia64 4096177609 unlimited-user license |
| 14:46.21 | Sordok | can anybody helb me: sendfax -d ..... --> Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password |
| 14:46.21 | Sordok | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.28 | LSorensen | greycat: I remember some years ago spending about a week downloading and compiling stuff until I had zsh, full x headers, gcc, perl, autoconf, imake, etc all working on hpux. then I could start coding. :) |
| 14:46.42 | LSorensen | greycat: but that was on hpux 9 (and a bit of 10) at the time |
| 14:47.09 | greycat | LSorensen: I've got gcc, perl5, openssh, ncurses, vim, bash, less, ... |
| 14:47.22 | LSorensen | greycat: after a few days the sysadmin came over and asked what I was doing since my home dir was taking up most of the volume. I then got moved onto a much larger new volume |
| 14:47.22 | greycat | but C++ just fucking blows chunks. |
| 14:47.37 | LSorensen | greycat: oh yes vim and ssh and ncurses and all that was needed too |
| 14:47.38 | greycat | apparently you're supposed to recompile every bloody fucking library on the system if you upgrade g++ |
| 14:47.46 | LSorensen | greycat: I think my install ended up at around 700MB |
| 14:47.50 | lestest | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.56 | LSorensen | greycat: yes that is true of G++ |
| 14:48.10 | LSorensen | greycat: if y changes in g++ x.y then your libs may need a recompile. |
| 14:48.15 | Castoro | So, no-one knows other repository with libdvd and w32codecs? |
| 14:48.18 | streuner | !tell lestest -about ig |
| 14:48.20 | LSorensen | greycat: hence our libstdc++2 3 4 5 6 etc |
| 14:48.32 | lestest | thankz streuner |
| 14:48.33 | LSorensen | greycat: I wonder what the reason for the abi change is |
| 14:48.39 | streuner | lestest: np |
| 14:48.45 | greycat | LSorensen: "because c++ sucks" suffices for me. |
| 14:48.58 | streuner | Castoro: why aren't the one what jetscreamer told you any good? |
| 14:49.11 | Castoro | streuner, Marillat? |
| 14:49.15 | streuner | yep |
| 14:49.19 | Castoro | streuner, read above |
| 14:49.32 | streuner | Castoro: well, that works for the most people |
| 14:49.44 | Castoro | streuner, i'm happy for those |
| 14:49.53 | streuner | as jetscreamer told you already |
| 14:50.05 | greycat | proto.h:96: error: conflicting types for `erase' |
| 14:50.05 | greycat | /usr/local/include/ncurses/curses.h:543: error: previous declaration of `erase' |
| 14:50.07 | greycat | Dear god. |
| 14:50.48 | streuner | Castoro: show us the whole error in #flood |
| 14:50.52 | Wolveshart | awwww c++ being a pain in the ass again |
| 14:50.55 | LSorensen | greycat: well I won't argue with that :) I tend to start in C and only if there really seems to be something for which c++ classes might make life easier I will switch to c++ (using the same code of course) and only use what I consider useful c++ features. |
| 14:51.01 | greycat | hmm.... ispell doesn't use curses?!? It implements its *own* curses instead? |
| 14:51.03 | Castoro | streuner, k, thx :) |
| 14:51.29 | LSorensen | greycat: that sounds scary. does anything other than ncurses know about all terminal types? |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | greycat: what are you trying to build? |
| 14:51.38 | suifur | greycat: hooray for noncomformity! |
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| 14:51.50 | LSorensen | greycat: on debian ispell does depend on ncurses |
| 14:52.01 | greycat | abrotman: originally, aspell. gave up on that. now ispell. no ./configure. custom hand-edited local.h file instead. |
| 14:52.08 | streuner | !depends ispell |
| 14:52.11 | dpkg | ispell: depends on dictionaries-common (>= 0.20), iamerican | ispell-dictionary, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1) |
| 14:52.15 | abrotman | greycat: that's awesome :) |
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| 14:52.18 | greycat | LSorensen: that doesn't mean it uses the curses API. |
| 14:52.28 | Sordok | Problem with sendfax: Login failed: 500 'PASS ': Syntax error, expecting password |
| 14:52.30 | LSorensen | greycat: hmm, no comment. :) |
| 14:52.37 | greycat | well, let's see what happens when I comment out all the ncurses include/lib stuff |
| 14:52.54 | greycat | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/dict/words', needed by `english.med+'. Stop. |
| 14:52.56 | LSorensen | greycat: that should let it compile better :) |
| 14:53.04 | greycat | OK, back to the README file. |
| 14:53.18 | LSorensen | greycat: a makefile that checks for /usr/dict/words? |
| 14:53.28 | greycat | I did not write it. |
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| 14:56.03 | rui | sups dudes |
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| 14:56.48 | asdfasf | hello. when i try to boot my new kernel i get error wich says it cant open my root device "hda5" and then it says i should config the right root= settings. (using grub) but it looks correct to me. what to do_ |
| 14:56.52 | asdfasf | ? |
| 14:57.09 | stew | asdfasf: did you compile it yourself or apt-get it? |
| 14:57.11 | greycat | root device should be /dev/hda5 not hda5 |
| 14:57.21 | asdfasf | it is /dev/hda5 |
| 14:57.28 | greycat | but for grub, it's probably something like hd0,4 |
| 14:57.37 | asdfasf | yeah |
| 14:57.39 | asdfasf | but it has 2 lines |
| 14:57.47 | asdfasf | one with 0,4 and one hda5 |
| 14:57.49 | greycat | but you can't TELL US what they are, right? |
| 14:57.55 | asdfasf | same for the old kernel |
| 14:57.57 | asdfasf | and that works |
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| 14:58.09 | greycat | sounds like you misconfigured the kernel, then. |
| 14:58.14 | asdfasf | hmmm |
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| 14:58.22 | greycat | oh, and you're being vague and therefore obnoxious. |
| 14:58.25 | asdfasf | where could that be? |
| 14:58.33 | nagual | and also asking on several channels at once |
| 14:58.39 | asdfasf | i didnt miss anything i htink |
| 14:58.42 | greycat | if you don't know how to configure a kernel, USE A DEBIAN KERNEL IMAGE. |
| 14:58.43 | nagual | actually, only one now |
| 14:58.52 | asdfasf | i did! |
| 14:58.55 | greycat | bullshit. |
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| 14:59.29 | Sjimmie | its easy to config! make oldconfig |
| 14:59.30 | Sjimmie | :) |
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| 14:59.45 | greycat | Sjimmie: but if you do that, you may have to pass --initrd to your make-kpkg command. |
| 14:59.47 | Nosf3ratu | asdfasf, does your grub config contain old kernel images? |
| 14:59.54 | asdfasf | yes |
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| 15:00.02 | Nosf3ratu | then just boot into those and fix it. |
| 15:00.05 | asdfasf | i use an old kernel now |
| 15:00.11 | Sjimmie | i know greycat :) |
| 15:00.12 | asdfasf | yeah but i dont know what to fix. |
| 15:00.14 | Nosf3ratu | either by installing a debian image or fixing your kernel config |
| 15:00.18 | greycat | make the new one look like the old one, dumb ass. |
| 15:00.23 | Nosf3ratu | haha |
| 15:00.43 | asdfasf | it does look like the old one but it misses one line with initrd thing. |
| 15:00.50 | lonewolff | hi there, down anyone know where i could get disk images (floppies) to install debian 2.0? i cant seem to find them on any of the mirrors |
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| 15:01.09 | greycat | asdfasf: so it's just like the old one except that it's FUCKING NOT? |
| 15:01.35 | rui | there are a bunch of people in #samba bu no one is answering or talking.. |
| 15:01.43 | greycat | lonewolff: hamm? why? |
| 15:01.56 | asdfasf | greycat: yo check it check it out blablablablbabla |
| 15:02.01 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:02.02 | RRT | when setting up kmail in sarge, for local mail do I select local mailbox or maildir mailbox? |
| 15:02.02 | asg | rui: they are sleeping, ignoring you, or down the pub |
| 15:02.10 | lonewolff | greycat: because i want to install it on a 486 with 8mb of ram |
| 15:02.20 | asg | lonewolff: /msg dpkg archives (maybe) |
| 15:02.21 | greycat | lonewolff: wasn't on archive? |
| 15:02.29 | rui | asg: well i cant be just me ....no one is talking |
| 15:02.34 | mon | hey, any SMP guru's in here? my sarge box doesn't seem to recognize my 2nd cpu... |
| 15:02.50 | asg | mon: install an smp kernel |
| 15:02.51 | Nosf3ratu | !tell asdfasf about initrd |
| 15:02.53 | stew | mon: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:02.58 | mon | asg: did that, then what :) |
| 15:03.04 | lonewolff | greycat: i could only find apt feeds, not actuall images but ill look again |
| 15:03.06 | asg | mon: reboot with it instead of the up kernel |
| 15:03.12 | mon | 2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 15:03.17 | mon | that's uname -r |
| 15:03.31 | asg | mon: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows only one cpu? |
| 15:03.37 | mon | asg: yup |
| 15:03.54 | mon | asg: when i boot it, it clearly displays cpu0 init, cpu1 init. |
| 15:03.58 | Sjimmie | asg: if you have more it shows more |
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| 15:04.42 | baserose | hi all. do you know how I can kill vnc client connection on vino ?! |
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| 15:05.28 | Sjimmie | hmmm, if you want to know how to kill a process its with the kill command? |
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| 15:05.39 | Sjimmie | just check the pid you want to kill in the ps output? |
| 15:05.40 | RRT | is system mail maildir or local mailbox in kmail? |
| 15:05.54 | greycat | RRT: how the hell would WE know how YOUR mail system is set up? |
| 15:06.10 | RRT | hell...it's default that's how |
| 15:06.12 | baserose | Sjimmie: hehe.. I mean.. terminate the connection.. |
| 15:06.16 | greycat | RRT: then it's /var/spool/mail and it's mbox format. |
| 15:06.16 | PerfDave | RRT: Unless you've changed something, you should have mailbox. |
| 15:06.19 | baserose | some vino cmd to do this ?! |
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| 15:06.23 | Sjimmie | i dont know those tools baserose |
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| 15:06.28 | greycat | or /var/mail, whichever isn't the symlink. |
| 15:06.29 | suifur | wtf is vino |
| 15:06.44 | baserose | Sjimmie: okay.. so just let other take the question |
| 15:06.50 | RRT | thankyou |
| 15:06.54 | suifur | baserose: plz tell us wtf vino is |
| 15:07.01 | baserose | vnc server |
| 15:07.07 | baserose | gnome vnc server |
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| 15:07.27 | suifur | baserose: so you're the server and someone has connected and you wanna kill their connection? (in so many words) |
| 15:07.38 | baserose | suifur: yes |
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| 15:07.50 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.50 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.51 | greycat | Heh. |
| 15:07.52 | suifur | baserose: excellent question, i'm sure google knows, or "man vino" |
| 15:08.13 | baserose | suifur: I thought it would.. but no one knows |
| 15:08.13 | greycat | Doubly ironic, that he misspelled "weird" in a spell checking program's README file. |
| 15:08.18 | suifur | baserose: odd |
| 15:08.30 | suifur | greycat: no one can spell that damn word |
| 15:08.32 | suifur | lol |
| 15:08.37 | azreal | anyone know what the best way to restore ~/.mozilla may be? it seems to break things if you just replace it with a backup of the directory, and not let mozilla make its own "salt" or whatever, i cant just untar my old .mozilla directory and make that work? |
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| 15:09.44 | Nosf3ratu | sigh stupid asdfasf /msg'd me. |
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| 15:10.09 | mon | azreal: that's how i did it with firefox and thunderbird.. should work |
| 15:10.19 | greycat | Nosf3ratu: if he acts up in the channel, let me know, and I'll just kickban him. He's obviously a troll. |
| 15:10.23 | greycat | foureyes779: stop that. |
| 15:10.32 | foureyes779 | sri |
| 15:10.36 | azreal | mon: i tried, but then, for instance, none of my plugins would work afterwards. |
| 15:10.39 | greycat | lanka? |
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| 15:10.57 | foureyes779 | i was trying to detach from a screen session |
| 15:11.00 | azreal | mon: even though about:plugins lists them as installed. |
| 15:11.22 | mon | azreal: if thats the only problem cant you just reinstall them? at least the settings stuff is still there |
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| 15:11.55 | azreal | mon: hmm, reinstalling them how? they ARE installed. |
| 15:12.10 | jetscreamer | foureyes779, ctcp this |
| 15:12.30 | mon | azreal: delete the (.so i think?) files? |
| 15:12.49 | azreal | mon: i am thinking thinking that a simple replacement of a backup should work, maybe im overlooking some mozilla quirk or something. |
| 15:13.07 | mon | azreal: it worked for me, i'm no guru, sorry. |
| 15:13.24 | azreal | mon: ill try that i guess, otherwise its a long painful process of getting everything back the way it has been. |
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| 15:13.50 | azreal | mon: no prob, thanx for the tips at least. |
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| 15:13.58 | mon | azreal: welcome |
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| 15:14.17 | benjimon | whats one command that would destroy any filesystem from root? |
| 15:14.40 | Trev_ | rm -fr / |
| 15:14.55 | jetscreamer | debug g=c800:5 |
| 15:14.57 | greycat | ``The following tables give approximate timings and peak disk usage for making each of the three augmented English dictionaries (the so-called "plus" versions). The timings were collected on an unloaded 68040. Your mileage may vary.'' ``english.med+ 35 minutes 8.8M 359K'' |
| 15:15.03 | greycat | Took about 45 seconds here. |
| 15:15.04 | Zvpun | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda1 |
| 15:15.20 | benjimon | lol |
| 15:15.25 | Trev_ | I want to run a shell script from a user menu, but run as root what is the best way to go about this ? setuid ? |
| 15:15.32 | greycat | Trev_: sudo |
| 15:15.37 | benjimon | su |
| 15:15.41 | Trev_ | Doh.. |
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| 15:15.46 | Trev_ | man I should be smacked.. rofl |
| 15:15.48 | greycat | benjimon: he'd have to tell the user the root password. |
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| 15:16.01 | benjimon | oh i thot he wanted to run it |
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| 15:16.14 | greycat | !thot |
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| 15:16.25 | benjimon | lol |
| 15:16.33 | Zvpun | Trev_: shell scripts cant be setuided |
| 15:17.11 | Trev_ | Thanks Z.. that's why I am here.. though sudo, don't i have to set up each user ? |
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| 15:18.00 | greycat | Trev_: gods in fucking HELL, what are you trying to DO?? |
| 15:18.32 | Trev_ | rofl.. dude take a pill.. |
| 15:18.40 | greycat | Don't you just LOVE it when users come here with their big shiny knives all dripping with blood, and big dopey grins on their faces? |
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| 15:18.57 | WhiteRabbit | god was in hell for 3 days when he died but he came out of :) |
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| 15:19.59 | distempr | greycat: rofflecopter omgator, did j00 t4ke a p177? |
| 15:20.00 | distempr | :x |
| 15:20.45 | distempr | Sheesh, Trev_ one thing you must understand. greycat _is_ your god, kthx bye. |
| 15:20.50 | distempr | :) |
| 15:21.05 | benjimon | hmm |
| 15:21.18 | Trev_ | distempr ? sure. |
| 15:21.20 | benjimon | does debian do rpms? |
| 15:21.26 | Trev_ | =) |
| 15:21.29 | sussudio | !do rpms |
| 15:21.36 | benjimon | lol |
| 15:21.40 | distempr | heh |
| 15:21.46 | greycat | !find ispell.4 sid |
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| 15:21.52 | stew | benjimon: with alien, but why? are you sure you can't install whatever you are looking for from a .deb? |
| 15:21.54 | suifur | !do greycat |
| 15:21.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ispell.4' returned no results. |
| 15:21.58 | WhiteRabbit | !wasabi |
| 15:21.58 | dpkg | hmm... wasabi is a root vegetable much like horseradish, used in japan as seasoning |
| 15:22.00 | benjimon | iono |
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| 15:22.12 | pingouiin | ã®ã |
| 15:22.15 | benjimon | im tryin to decide ona distro |
| 15:22.20 | pingouiin | sorry ww |
| 15:22.21 | shakparl | !do wasabi |
| 15:22.29 | greycat | ok... soo... if there *is* no ispell.4 file in the source tree, and there *is* no ispell.4 file in the Debian package, then why the fuck is the "make install" blowing up when it tries to install ispell.4? |
| 15:22.29 | stew | !tell benjimon about why debian |
| 15:22.29 | suifur | !do dpkg |
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| 15:22.47 | sussudio | greycat: bunnies? |
| 15:22.47 | WhiteRabbit | └┼ sure that P4 with ≠rocks! |
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| 15:22.50 | vladkao | ha, a typo |
| 15:22.53 | greycat | and which definition of section 4 were they trying to use, anyway? can't be the BSD one (kernel drivers). |
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| 15:22.58 | i-o | excuse me how do I boot into debian with what command |
| 15:23.07 | greycat | i-o: turn on power. wait. |
| 15:23.12 | suifur | benjimon: just try it, if you don't like it, use something else |
| 15:23.38 | QUACH-VU | hi can anyone tell me know what is the current latest stable version of Mysql server? |
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| 15:23.53 | benjimon | hmm |
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| 15:23.55 | greycat | QUACH-VU: packages.debian.org |
| 15:23.55 | PerfDave | !info mysql-server stable |
| 15:23.58 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.23.49-8.8 (woody), Packaged size: 2735 kB, Installed size: 7384 kB |
| 15:24.03 | benjimon | well id have to burn some more cds |
| 15:24.08 | benjimon | i installed fedora3 |
| 15:24.18 | gary | Can anyone recommend a good terminal to use. I am using aterm, but when i am programming, it is just too dark to read the writing. If i try to format it by doing: aterm -background white or something, it just doesn't work, and ignores the command |
| 15:24.20 | PerfDave | benjimon: That's OK, we all make mistakes ;) |
| 15:24.21 | valdyn_ | !d-i benjimon |
| 15:24.22 | dpkg | benjimon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:24.23 | benjimon | everything works but vmware |
| 15:24.32 | i-o | I got that but it is acting like a console boot so it asked me for my pass and then waiting for me to excute a command |
| 15:24.39 | PerfDave | gary: If you want something easily configurable, try konsole. |
| 15:24.42 | QUACH-VU | Perf so Mysql 4.x now is not stable ? |
| 15:24.49 | WhiteRabbit | !do beer |
| 15:24.52 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: It's not in Debian stable. |
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| 15:24.57 | redduck666 | this might sound as a spam, but i'm only a n00b that needs help. does anyone else have troubles accesing http://www.link-host.com/~dablade/forums/portal.php ? i get a 404 |
| 15:24.58 | foureyes779 | i-o: good morning |
| 15:25.04 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: Depends on your definition of "stable" really. |
| 15:25.14 | i-o | Hey foureyes good morning |
| 15:25.23 | QUACH-VU | is there sytax error if i move databse from mysql 4.x to database server 3.x ? |
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| 15:25.42 | valdyn_ | benjimon: why do you want to switch distro if everyting but vmware works? im sure vmware can be convinced to run to, check #fedora or somesuch |
| 15:25.46 | foureyes779 | i-o: did you get past that "bl00-screen" problem ? |
| 15:25.58 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: I don't know, is there a syntax error? How do you have 4.x already? |
| 15:26.04 | WhiteRabbit | were art thee <*> <*> <*> <*>'s.! |
| 15:26.12 | i-o | I got it to install foureyes yeah I had to go in as an expert and not install the network config |
| 15:26.35 | foureyes779 | i-o: cool |
| 15:26.44 | benjimon | yeh |
| 15:26.45 | i-o | yeah I figured i install that later |
| 15:26.46 | benjimon | lol |
| 15:26.52 | WhiteRabbit | <(·)> C |
| 15:27.09 | QUACH-VU | i am using 2 debian server, one i use command apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 and it install the mysql server 4-x for me |
| 15:27.20 | benjimon | will learning debian get me closer to installing gentoo? |
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| 15:27.24 | QUACH-VU | this command doesnt work for another my debian server |
| 15:27.42 | valdyn_ | QUACH-VU: so you're not running debian stable on the one that command is working on? |
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| 15:27.54 | valdyn_ | !info mysql-server-4.1 woody |
| 15:27.57 | valdyn_ | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 15:28.00 | kneet | 4.1 isn't even in unstable? |
| 15:28.03 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.10-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14193 kB, Installed size: 30352 kB |
| 15:28.06 | benjimon | woah |
| 15:28.07 | WhiteRabbit | benjimon, The greater the struggle The greater the achievement! |
| 15:28.09 | kneet | Oh |
| 15:28.10 | benjimon | debian=8 cds |
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| 15:28.14 | QUACH-VU | one server using woody and sarge |
| 15:28.27 | valdyn_ | benjimon: false, its more |
| 15:28.30 | benjimon | lol |
| 15:28.37 | PerfDave | benjimon: Why would you want to install Gentoo? |
| 15:28.42 | QUACH-VU | one server using stable version 3 |
| 15:28.44 | Putiikki | where is kernel's .config file? |
| 15:28.45 | stew | benjimon: you only need the first cd |
| 15:28.49 | stew | benjimon: or a netinst |
| 15:28.51 | greycat | Putiikki: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:28.55 | PerfDave | !faq QUACH-VU |
| 15:28.55 | dpkg | QUACH-VU: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:28.57 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 15:29.00 | benjimon | well my internets not gonna work rite off thebat |
| 15:29.03 | benjimon | i use wireless |
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| 15:29.14 | WhiteRabbit | benjimon, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:29.17 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: You want to read Debian documentation, find out how releases work, and how repositories work. |
| 15:29.20 | greycat | !dict rite |
| 15:29.23 | PerfDave | benjimon: Depends on your wireless card. |
| 15:29.25 | greycat | @dict rite |
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| 15:29.34 | abrotman | ~dict rite |
| 15:29.34 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'rite' (2 of 3): an established ceremony prescribed by a religion; "the rite of baptism" ;; any customary observance or practice . |
| 15:29.35 | xk | which bot uses @ as prefix char? |
| 15:29.37 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 15:29.38 | stew | benjimon: many wireless cards will work right of the bat with a netinst from d-i |
| 15:29.43 | greycat | xk: ravenbird |
| 15:29.43 | benjimon | intel 2200b/g |
| 15:29.44 | xk | hah greycat. |
| 15:29.47 | QUACH-VU | Perfe the problem is i have plan to move my website from debian server woody sarge using mysql 4.x to debian server stable using mysql 3.x |
| 15:29.52 | benjimon | its a problematic one |
| 15:29.55 | benjimon | w/ linuxes |
| 15:29.58 | QUACH-VU | will it have program ? |
| 15:30.09 | valdyn_ | benjimon: that one wont work "off the bat" |
| 15:30.09 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: "debian server woody sarge"? That makes no sense. |
| 15:30.11 | QUACH-VU | when from 4.x move to 3.xmxsql ? |
| 15:30.14 | stew | QUACH-VU: what is a "debian server woody sarge" |
| 15:30.22 | benjimon | yep |
| 15:30.23 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:30.44 | QUACH-VU | i just see in source list and see the words woody and the word sarge in that |
| 15:31.00 | valdyn_ | QUACH-VU: that looks ugly |
| 15:31.01 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: OK, you've bobbited your system, well done. |
| 15:31.03 | stew | QUACH-VU: i would think that you would have mo problems moving data from mysql 4 to mysql 3 using mysqldump, but you should double check with #mysql |
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| 15:31.19 | greycat | Hrm. -rwxr-xr-x 1 netbin other 102427 Jan 22 1998 /net/appl/tool/bin/ispell |
| 15:31.21 | stew | QUACH-VU: its going to heavily depend on what features of 4.1 you are using of course... |
| 15:31.29 | PerfDave | QUACH-VU: *Please* read some documentation on Debian. *Any* documentation. |
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| 15:31.48 | QUACH-VU | thx |
| 15:31.54 | stew | QUACH-VU: you have bot woody and sarge in sources.list? |
| 15:31.57 | stew | s/bot/both/ |
| 15:32.04 | QUACH-VU | yes |
| 15:32.08 | QUACH-VU | both in source list |
| 15:32.14 | Zvpun | QUACH-VU: why do you want to move at all? |
| 15:32.25 | BenDrake | I am running KDE in Debian on a laptop, the default display is 800x600, when I set it to 1026x768 it displays, but it doesnt fit in the screen. |
| 15:32.28 | benjimon | so how many cd's do i need for a non-net installation |
| 15:32.31 | stew | why do i have the felling that the bobbitt reference will be lost on him |
| 15:32.37 | stew | !tell QUACH-VU about bobbitt |
| 15:32.37 | BenDrake | Is there a Soloution? |
| 15:32.53 | greycat | try 1024x768 instead. |
| 15:32.58 | stew | heh |
| 15:33.20 | valdyn_ | BenDrake: what does "doesnt fit" mean, how are you trying to set resolutions? |
| 15:33.22 | BenDrake | lol, typo, 1024 |
| 15:33.22 | PerfDave | BenDrake: You need to reconfigure your X server to allow that resolution. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:33.33 | BenDrake | alrighty |
| 15:33.34 | nagual | bobbit, the guy who married the wrong woman? |
| 15:33.45 | greycat | or the woman who married the wrong guy |
| 15:33.59 | nagual | well, at least he didn´t cut her pride off |
| 15:34.13 | stew | BenDrake: are you seeing a scrolling virtual desktop? or does you monitor just need adjusting? |
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| 15:34.24 | rui | Hey do you need a samba password for every machine connecting to the debian box? |
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| 15:34.47 | asg | rui: have you read 'Using Samba' at www.oreilly.com/openbook yet? |
| 15:34.59 | rui | nope |
| 15:35.07 | asg | rui: then do so |
| 15:35.58 | BenDrake | i think it just needs to be adjusted.. It doesnt scroll or anything, it's like it trying to fit everything from a 17' display into a 15' |
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| 15:36.33 | greycat | 17 foot display?? damn.... |
| 15:36.35 | valdyn_ | BenDrake: try to run xvidtune and see if you can make it fit |
| 15:36.40 | rui | asg ..then why have this channel? Why why tell everyone to read a book? |
| 15:36.51 | abrotman | rui: #samba |
| 15:36.56 | rui | *why not |
| 15:36.57 | greycat | rui: you are DOUBLY off topic. Shut up now. |
| 15:37.01 | asg | rui: because this isn't the samba channel. The book exists so you can get help in a nice tutorial fashion. |
| 15:37.23 | xk | go greycat. |
| 15:37.29 | rui | grey: suck a cock |
| 15:37.30 | greycat | IRC channels are for people who have READ the book and STILL don't understand something because it wasn't covered in the book, or because the book was wrong. |
| 15:37.32 | nagual | ;-) |
| 15:37.34 | xk | hah |
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| 15:37.46 | stew | books are so 20th century |
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| 15:37.55 | asg | stew: but morons are timeless |
| 15:37.58 | stew | yup |
| 15:38.21 | xk | hrm |
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| 15:38.33 | nagual | whats the .user thing? is it like q-net where everyone gets to hide their host if you reg? |
| 15:38.34 | xk | there we go. nuked BitchX.reasons |
| 15:39.04 | asg | nagual: if you support freenode, you can get user cloaks, supporter cloaks, etc. |
| 15:39.39 | nagual | asg: but i support freenode. do you mean by donating hardware/bw/cash etc? |
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| 15:39.44 | asg | nagual: yes |
| 15:39.48 | nagual | thanks |
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| 15:39.48 | Zvpun | is there a channel for irc noobs? |
| 15:39.56 | ikaro | hellas everyone |
| 15:39.56 | caphuso | you don't need to support freenode to get a user cloak |
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| 15:40.04 | asg | caphuso: just ask nicely right? |
| 15:40.08 | caphuso | asg: yeah |
| 15:40.12 | devazion | Hi, is there any ftp deamon/server that i can easily configure via GUI? :) Thanks! (It dont have to be advanced) |
| 15:40.13 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: #irchelp I think - try www.irchelp.org |
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| 15:40.26 | nagual | i see. thanks. |
| 15:40.42 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 15:40.50 | valdyn_ | devazion: you might be well off installing an ftp server and using its defaults? |
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| 15:40.54 | toresbe | I'd never want a cloak |
| 15:40.55 | Ftroop | if you use webmin you can config a ftp daemon that way if you like |
| 15:41.03 | ricky_clarkson | toresbe: Me neither. I'm proud of my /whois. |
| 15:41.08 | toresbe | This host gives soo much bragging rights :) |
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| 15:41.15 | valdyn_ | devazion: i dont know of a gui whatsoever for this, except probably webmin |
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| 15:41.50 | devazion | valdyn_: yeah, sounds logical, but im not in the mood for commanline :P well thanks for the help... vsftpd it is |
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| 15:42.15 | parser | devazion; try webmin or learn to love config files :) |
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| 15:43.08 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can update only vsftpd with apt-get? |
| 15:43.08 | Ftroop | vsftp config file is quite small and really simple if you go that way |
| 15:43.09 | argonel|work | hiyas, i'm having trouble with the locales package today.. "Generating locales... Usage:./usr/sbin/validlocale <locale>...Try `localedef --help' or `localedef --usage' for more information." |
| 15:43.14 | Esaj | why is file transfer so slow in msn and gaim? |
| 15:43.27 | Esaj | anyone know of an msn client without this problem? |
| 15:43.29 | devazion | Ftroop: yeah true |
| 15:43.47 | argonel|work | but i can't find a place where validlocale is called |
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| 15:43.49 | Zvpun | Belping--: apt-get install vsftpd will install or update vsftpd |
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| 15:44.18 | cdc | i am facing problems with sound in Gnome but sound works fine with KDE |
| 15:44.23 | Belping-- | Zvpun: but it will install an older version |
| 15:44.24 | cdc | i would like to try out GNome |
| 15:44.33 | cdc | infact thinking about a switch to Gnome |
| 15:44.36 | valdyn_ | cdc: what exactly doesnt work? |
| 15:44.37 | greycat | cdc: so don't use gnome. or kill that fucking horrendous esd. |
| 15:44.38 | Zvpun | Belping--: apt-get -t testing install foo meight work |
| 15:44.44 | greycat | valdyn_: gnome. therefore esd. |
| 15:44.49 | BenDrake | Thanks Guys, that was the ticked doing the config. I guess it makes a diff if you set for LCD display. |
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| 15:44.58 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea |
| 15:45.00 | BenDrake | ticked =ticket |
| 15:45.07 | cdc | greycat, is gnome not good? |
| 15:45.28 | cdc | valdyn_, alsa is not configured properly i am using Sarge |
| 15:45.31 | stew | BenDrake: why would apt-get install vsftpd install an older version? |
| 15:45.31 | cdc | how do i configure it |
| 15:45.40 | xk | cdc: alsaconf |
| 15:45.41 | stew | BenDrake: err |
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| 15:45.48 | stew | Belping--: why would apt-get install vsftpd install an older version? |
| 15:45.48 | cheal | Esaj: ask #gaim |
| 15:45.53 | xk | cdc: then alsamixer |
| 15:45.56 | valdyn_ | cdc: why would it be configured properly in kde but not in gnome while it has nothing to do with it? |
| 15:46.23 | cdc | valdyn_, i am using OSS in KDE |
| 15:46.27 | cdc | i dont use Alsa |
| 15:46.28 | cdc | in KDE |
| 15:46.45 | valdyn_ | cdc: you're free to use oss in gnome aswell |
| 15:46.48 | greycat | cdc: KILL. ESD. |
| 15:46.51 | greycat | KILL IT DEAD. |
| 15:46.52 | greycat | MAKE IT DIE. |
| 15:46.57 | argonel|work | anyone know why /etc/locale.gen would have "Usage: /usr/sbin/validlocale <locale>" in it? |
| 15:47.03 | greycat | Which part of this confused you? |
| 15:47.04 | PerfDave | greycat: And use ALSA instead? |
| 15:47.04 | xk | heh |
| 15:47.23 | grivell | PerfDave: Artsd? Why in the hell... |
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| 15:47.30 | cdc | valdyn_, one sec let me try out |
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| 15:47.41 | PerfDave | grivell: Because it works, and OSS/ALSA don't. |
| 15:47.45 | grivell | PerfDave: Alsa+dmix, disable artsd. Use Amarok, Xmms, Kaffeine, etc. |
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| 15:47.58 | valdyn_ | cdc: applications -> desktop settings -> Sound -> deactivate Sound Server |
| 15:47.59 | greycat | PerfDave: you really *are* that confused, aren't you? It wasn't a joke! |
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| 15:48.03 | stuartSan | dang how'd i set up a PPPoE ethernet connection in woody's net-inst, do i need PCMCIA |
| 15:48.12 | valdyn_ | cdc: ( or similar, my locale isnt C ) |
| 15:48.18 | eduard13 | Well, I had a PHP script send 40k emails. What happened? load avg went to 40 |
| 15:48.18 | Belping-- | stew: because of my sources list i think |
| 15:48.22 | PerfDave | greycat: Oh, I use ALSA on my home box which has a well supported soundcard. |
| 15:48.22 | eduard13 | ??? |
| 15:48.25 | Belping-- | stew: it's set for woody stable |
| 15:48.30 | eduard13 | Using exim |
| 15:48.33 | grivell | greycat: I think this needs a walk-through How To free yourself from "The thing that should not be". |
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| 15:48.36 | stuartSan | good news though i finally installed woody base o/s on my other harddrive, but am stil using a floppy to boot up into it |
| 15:48.37 | PerfDave | greycat: But I think of the software sound managers, aRts sucks least. |
| 15:48.39 | stew | Belping--: did it once say testing? |
| 15:48.43 | cdc | valdyn_, i have selected OSS and when l click on a mp3 file it plays but no sound |
| 15:48.44 | greycat | PerfDave: arts is a MIDDLE MANAGER that sits between your application and either OSS or ALSA. |
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| 15:48.52 | Belping-- | stew: no |
| 15:48.53 | greycat | it is not a REPLACEMENT for OSS or ALSA. |
| 15:48.54 | PerfDave | greycat: Yes, I know what it is, thank you. |
| 15:48.54 | cdc | valdyn_, and ur locale is not c means ? :-) |
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| 15:49.03 | valdyn_ | cdc: have you deactivated esd yet? |
| 15:49.14 | cdc | valdyn_, i killed esd |
| 15:49.23 | stew | Belping--: are you saying that it would install an older verison than you currently have, or an older version than you want to have? |
| 15:49.36 | Belping-- | stew: an older version then i want to have :) |
| 15:49.41 | valdyn_ | cdc: have you unmuted and pumped up your volume? |
| 15:49.53 | Belping-- | stew: it installs 1.x.x while the 2.x.x is available on the website |
| 15:49.57 | greycat | valdyn_: usually no need to unmute with OSS |
| 15:50.02 | cdc | valdyn_, the volume is set to max |
| 15:50.06 | eduard13 | Anyone? |
| 15:50.10 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea, usually |
| 15:50.13 | eduard13 | exim no good for sending a lot of emails? |
| 15:50.17 | greycat | eduard13: it's fine. |
| 15:50.36 | stew | Belping--: then you have to upgrade to sarge, or look for a newer version on backports.org or backport it yourself |
| 15:50.38 | valdyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.52 | cdc | valdyn_, u use Gnome or KDE? |
| 15:51.05 | BenDrake | is there an apt-get for libdvdcss? |
| 15:51.07 | eduard13 | greycat: thing is it had over 100 processes running and load avg was way high |
| 15:51.07 | valdyn_ | cdc: what sound is concerned, neither |
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| 15:51.08 | jasz | i'm installing gnucash.... and when i did apt-get install gnucash <and some extra stuff> i got that apt suggested installing gnucash-sql .. so i did apt-get install gnucash-sql .. and it gave me an error... i decided not to install it but i was wondering what it is... (there is no info on the debian packages section of debian.org) |
| 15:51.10 | Belping-- | stew: but isn't it possible to use the sarge packet for vsftpd without changing the other packages? |
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| 15:51.13 | cdc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-02-12 11:36 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 15:51.14 | MFen | anyone use runit here? |
| 15:51.16 | greycat | BenDrake: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 15:51.19 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:51.19 | cdc | valdyn_, this is what i get |
| 15:51.19 | stew | Belping--: no |
| 15:51.20 | cdc | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-02-12 11:36 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 15:51.20 | Belping-- | stew: i already checked backports |
| 15:51.21 | MFen | i have a couple questions about dependencies |
| 15:51.26 | Belping-- | stew: ah ok |
| 15:51.27 | stew | Belping--: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 15:51.29 | Belping-- | stew: thanks |
| 15:51.31 | BenDrake | cool, thanx |
| 15:51.43 | valdyn_ | cdc: ok, looks fine, now "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 15:51.46 | stuartSan | btw how come i can't edit /etc/apt/sources.list because can't find the edit command |
| 15:51.48 | stew | Belping--: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:51.56 | eduard13 | greycat: should i be using something else? |
| 15:51.58 | stew | stuartSan: editor |
| 15:52.01 | asg | stuartSan: used nano or vi |
| 15:52.05 | greycat | eduard13: use whatever you like. |
| 15:52.10 | Belping-- | stew: ok thanks :) |
| 15:52.15 | eduard13 | greycat: thing is it had over 100 processes running and load avg was way high |
| 15:52.23 | cdc | valdyn_, i dont get anything |
| 15:52.26 | MFen | i see that dependencies can be created with svwaitup but i don't see the logic necessary to automatically bring down reverse dependant services |
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| 15:52.34 | stuartSan | kay thansk |
| 15:52.43 | greycat | how high is "way high"? 3? 10? 30? 300? |
| 15:53.14 | eduard13 | greycat: 40 |
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| 15:53.24 | stuartSan | i accidentally asked the installer to remove PCMCIA support though because it said i didn't need it, and i realise my PPPoE ethernet connection is PCMCIA, how'd i get online with my base woody o/s now? |
| 15:53.34 | greycat | eduard13: which process(es) were using up the most CPU time and memory according to top when you checked? |
| 15:53.57 | cdc | valdyn_, so what should i do now |
| 15:54.04 | greycat | stuartSan: if it's really JUST the base, you could simply reinstall. |
| 15:54.06 | valdyn_ | cdc: thats a cablin issue, a volume issue, or improperly loaded drivers. How the hell do you get sound in kde though? |
| 15:54.23 | greycat | stuartSan: might be faster than trying to work out which packages you need to reinstall |
| 15:54.24 | cdc | valdyn_, i dont know but in KDE it works fine |
| 15:54.32 | cdc | in Gnome i dont get sound |
| 15:54.39 | greycat | cdc: pgrep esd |
| 15:54.45 | argonel|work | can someone help? both locales and localeconf refuse to install |
| 15:54.47 | stuartSan | greycat: sounds fair, but how do i get LILO to work because there are only 3 options after install.. boot up into Debian, make a floppy to boot up, and nothin gat all |
| 15:55.01 | greycat | !d-i stuartSan |
| 15:55.01 | cdc | greycat, i dont get anything when i execute pgrep esd |
| 15:55.02 | dpkg | stuartSan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:55.08 | benjimon | anyone know howto setup vmware to run a win2k? |
| 15:55.12 | Noid | i just blew some quite important files, is there a way to recover rmed files from an xfs system? |
| 15:55.16 | greycat | cdc: did "cat somefile >/dev/dsp" make a noise? |
| 15:55.23 | cdc | greycat, no |
| 15:55.28 | greycat | cdc: did it give an error? |
| 15:55.29 | SlayerXP | benjimon: vmware is very well supported commerical software. |
| 15:55.30 | eduard13 | greycat: exim |
| 15:55.33 | valdyn_ | cdc: try ls -l /dev/dsp1 |
| 15:55.38 | cdc | greycat, no nothing |
| 15:55.46 | greycat | cdc: then raise the volume with aumix |
| 15:55.48 | eduard13 | the system always stays around a load avg of one |
| 15:56.02 | greycat | eduard13: ask #exim, then. no idea. |
| 15:56.06 | cdc | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 19 2005-02-12 11:36 /dev/dsp1 |
| 15:56.11 | eduard13 | alright |
| 15:56.14 | eduard13 | thanks anyways |
| 15:56.14 | redduck666 | this might sound as a spam, but i'm only a n00b that needs help. does anyone else have troubles accesing http://www.link-host.com/~dablade/forums/portal.php ? i get a 404 |
| 15:56.19 | greycat | 14,19?? |
| 15:56.31 | greycat | oh, I see. that's the second one. |
| 15:56.34 | valdyn_ | cdc: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1" |
| 15:56.59 | cdc | valdyn_, hey valdyn_ now it works with OSS :-) |
| 15:57.07 | greycat | cdc: what did you change? |
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| 15:57.15 | ste | cups on sid, I have a client-error-not-authorized error when I try to manage a printer.. any hint? |
| 15:57.19 | valdyn_ | you have 2 soundcards? |
| 15:57.23 | cdc | valdyn_, no |
| 15:57.33 | valdyn_ | cdc: yes you do, if dsp1 worked |
| 15:57.40 | valdyn_ | cdc: a winmodem? |
| 15:57.42 | greycat | cdc: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 15:57.48 | valdyn_ | cdc: or a tv tuner? |
| 15:57.55 | greycat | valdyn_: more likely a built-in sound chipset and a PCI card |
| 15:58.08 | cdc | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:58.14 | greycat | there's the built-in... |
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| 15:58.35 | valdyn_ | cdc: and a 2nd? |
| 15:58.44 | cdc | valdyn_, i used aumix to increase the volume but the volume control in my desktop is set to max |
| 15:58.48 | cdc | but that control does not work |
| 15:58.51 | cdc | i dont know why? |
| 15:59.01 | greycat | because it's gnome? |
| 15:59.02 | johnathan | Who come from China ? |
| 15:59.10 | greycat | johnathan: Chinese people. |
| 15:59.16 | PerfDave | johnathan: The people in #debian-zh? |
| 15:59.16 | johnathan | yes |
| 15:59.17 | cdc | now i am unable to use the volume control on the Desktop |
| 15:59.21 | cdc | greycat, is it a bug ? |
| 15:59.23 | johnathan | Thank you |
| 15:59.27 | valdyn_ | cdc: lsmod | grep snd, if that yields alot of text, youre using alsa and gnomes volume control just may not do the right thing |
| 15:59.35 | greycat | cdc: so, how are you liking gnome so far? |
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| 16:00.15 | cdc | greycat, :-) |
| 16:00.16 | stuartSan | so all i need to do is just type pppoeconf at bash to config my pppoe? |
| 16:00.17 | cdc | a good question |
| 16:00.26 | cdc | its ok |
| 16:00.31 | cdc | greycat, what do u use ? |
| 16:00.36 | greycat | cdc: fvwm |
| 16:00.59 | cdc | greycat, i was using KDE but want to switch to Gnome feel its more clean |
| 16:01.12 | cdc | greycat, i am a C++ programmer but i still like Gnome |
| 16:01.29 | greycat | no comment. |
| 16:01.36 | cdc | greycat, why? |
| 16:01.45 | greycat | don't go there. |
| 16:01.45 | Ftroop | i know its prolly not for the purists but i like kde |
| 16:01.48 | gary | Can anyone recommend a good terminal for programming in. For example, one that is easy to format and is easy to view text in it. xterm, eterm, aterm ... etc? |
| 16:01.57 | thomas_adam | gary: rxvt |
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| 16:02.00 | cdc | greycat, dont go where? |
| 16:02.06 | Blissex | cdc: except that it uses C++, KDE is rather more clean than GNOME, both conceptually and in terms of use. |
| 16:02.10 | thomas_adam | gary: Byt then your question is meaningless. |
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| 16:02.19 | asg | cdc: greycat has had a hard day fiddling with c++ |
| 16:02.31 | gary | thomas_adam: is it? |
| 16:02.34 | thomas_adam | asg: There's laws against that sort of thing. |
| 16:02.44 | asg | thomas_adam: so I've been told. |
| 16:02.59 | cdc | Blissex, is it ? |
| 16:03.01 | gary | thomas_adam: it's just i have to ssh to my server to do some java programming on it, but the aterm is really bad in terms of formatting it's appearence |
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| 16:03.12 | thomas_adam | gary: So use rxvt. |
| 16:03.19 | cdc | i want to contribute to Gnome |
| 16:03.22 | thomas_adam | gary: Or any of the other plethora of shite that exists out there. |
| 16:03.29 | cdc | i like GTKmm |
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| 16:03.36 | greycat | !gnome |
| 16:03.36 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 16:03.49 | Blissex | cdc: well, KDE is based on a more deeply thought out framework of libraries and services. |
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| 16:04.10 | Blissex | cdc: GNOME gives me the impression that is is bit more ''pot luck''... |
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| 16:04.41 | cdc | Blissex, how about the GTK Framework isnt that good? |
| 16:04.48 | greycat | GNOME gives me the impression that it's a heaping pile of shit. But maybe that's just me and mwilson. |
| 16:05.05 | Noid | greycat: what do you use? |
| 16:05.09 | greycat | Noid: fvwm |
| 16:05.10 | thomas_adam | Given that GNOME's idea of success was to scrap GNOME 1.X (which worked quite well) in favour of writing GNOME2 from scratch because: "We'll do it properly this time", is a little stupid... |
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| 16:05.35 | Blissex | cdc: GTK is pretty good (with some uglyness here and there), but it is just a widget library, not a framework. |
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| 16:06.19 | cdc | oh ok be right back |
| 16:06.37 | Darien | thomas_adam: Gnome1 was pretty awful though |
| 16:06.49 | thomas_adam | Darien: Not in comparison to GNOME2. |
| 16:06.59 | Darien | thomas_adam: it didn't have unicode support |
| 16:07.05 | thomas_adam | Oh, dear... |
| 16:07.07 | Darien | it was slow, buggy, the theming was terrible |
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| 16:07.27 | greycat | Darien: gnome1, at least, did not explode into a bunch of gray rectangular widgets all over the screen with miscellaneous error messages all over the fucking place as soon as it failed to lock a file in $HOME (NFS mounted). Which GNOME2 *does*. |
| 16:07.30 | stew | it wasn't as slow or buggy as gnome2 |
| 16:07.30 | cdc | thomas_adam, but some statistics show more number of distros ship with Gnome and more users use Gnome |
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| 16:07.32 | cdc | why is that? |
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| 16:07.47 | thomas_adam | cdc: Because people don't know what vi ~/.fvwm2rc is. |
| 16:07.55 | greycat | Darien: oh, but of course, that's MY fault. According to the gnome maintainer. |
| 16:07.57 | cdc | even ubuntu ships with Gnome and not with KDE |
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| 16:08.02 | Darien | greycat: Gnome2 sucks too, but in different ways than Gnome1 (and in ways that don't arise for me) |
| 16:08.04 | Delph | cdc: because there are large number of idiots in this world. |
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| 16:08.19 | cdc | lol @ Delph |
| 16:08.23 | greycat | Darien: Must be something on my system, that causes it to be utterly incompetent and incapable of handling a simple lockfile error gracefully. Couldn't be THEIRS. |
| 16:08.26 | grivell | !start a wm war |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | emacs sucks! |
| 16:08.34 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 16:08.35 | Delph | heh. |
| 16:08.39 | Darien | greycat: of course not, because they're a Big Project and you're a Little User, so they can do no wrong |
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| 16:08.55 | Darien | greycat: I'm no fan of GNOME, don't get me wrong, but Gnome1 was trash, period |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | well gnome2 is also trash |
| 16:09.12 | Delph | greycat: but it's pretty trash. |
| 16:09.17 | greycat | and they STILL use esd, which is beyond trash. |
| 16:09.25 | cdc | greycat, how good is 2.10 i heard its too good i am right now on Gnome 2.8 |
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| 16:09.29 | cdc | i have got kde 3.3.2 |
| 16:09.29 | SpamHog | I read D-I announcement that preparations for RC3 break some RC2 netinstall media. I have no CD on target (i386), AND net-inst on another PC didn't work either. Announcement does not clearly say if HD media (vmlinuz + initrd.gz) is affected... Does anyone know? |
| 16:09.31 | cdc | also |
| 16:09.33 | thomas_adam | !vns |
| 16:09.33 | dpkg | Version Number Syndrome. This occurs when cluebies assume that a higher version number means the intended program/kernel, whatever, works "better". |
| 16:09.38 | Blissex | cdc: thomas_adam: the real reason GNOME is increasing in popularity is purely political |
| 16:09.56 | starfish | does any one know how to mount my cdrom drive |
| 16:09.57 | thomas_adam | Blissex: I don't care. I don't use it. |
| 16:10.07 | greycat | starfish: man mount |
| 16:10.07 | Blissex | cdc: it has to do with it being ''official'', chosen by Sun, RedHat and now SUSE. |
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| 16:10.22 | smoser | lk down. |
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| 16:10.28 | greycat | Blissex: well, CDE sucked major ass as well. |
| 16:10.32 | greycat | Blissex: so for Sun, it's a step up. |
| 16:10.38 | Noid | greycat: i'm gonna try that fvwm |
| 16:10.56 | Ftroop | well isnt gnome now on suse because of the novell buy out of ximian? |
| 16:10.57 | cdc | Blissex, that made me to think why are so many distros shipping Gnome by default and FC making KDE like Gnome |
| 16:11.16 | cdc | as of now only Slackware has discontinued Gnome |
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| 16:11.19 | greycat | who cares. |
| 16:11.23 | stew | really |
| 16:11.25 | Blissex | cdc: well, again it is politics. European distros tend to use KDE, USA distros tend to use GNOME... |
| 16:11.27 | caphuso | probably because the gnome core libraries are LGPLed |
| 16:11.31 | greycat | use what you like. and shut up. |
| 16:11.35 | WhiteRabbit | as of now slackware is discontinued itself. |
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| 16:12.20 | caphuso | and some of the core KDE stuff isn't, so the suits are afraid of it |
| 16:12.31 | SpamHog | starfish: cd /mnt then mkdir cdrom then mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom |
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| 16:12.53 | cathy | my hda died, debian was in hdb, i removed hda and left hdb as master, now grub is not working, says error disk; i already changed from knoppix /etc/fstab to point to hda?, plus edited menu.lst. Still same. What should i do next? |
| 16:13.07 | SpamHog | starfish: but check names of device and filesystem... + u may have to mount read onlu |
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| 16:13.20 | PerfDave | cathy: Change your /boot/grub/menu.lst and run update-grub ? |
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| 16:13.49 | SpamHog | starfish: also, check if you have xvmount, lets you that (& floppy) from GUI |
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| 16:13.55 | brosio | anyone have try raiser4? |
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| 16:14.12 | cathy | PerfDave: would update-grub work? i will try now, thank you |
| 16:14.13 | greycat | oh, *this* should be fun. |
| 16:14.13 | caphuso | reiser4 |
| 16:14.48 | SpamHog | cathy: wait, I did a post on exacty that... meanwhile, will U tell me how to use one of those short-url websites? |
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| 16:14.58 | cathy | ok |
| 16:15.20 | cathy | SpamHog, thankyou |
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| 16:15.24 | necrite | hi |
| 16:15.54 | necrite | any one here use gdesklets? i have problems to run some displays |
| 16:15.54 | grivell | !raiser4 |
| 16:15.54 | dpkg | from memory, raiser4 is the best file system ever! l33t. |
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| 16:16.43 | cathy | SpamHog, i don't know what you mean with short url-websites |
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| 16:17.20 | stuartSan | okay so if editing /etc/apt/sources.list reads 0 lines, am i doing something wrong |
| 16:17.25 | SpamHog | cathy: url is actually short... how to swap master & slave HDs |
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| 16:17.27 | SpamHog | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/10/msg00148.html |
| 16:17.39 | SpamHog | see the thread |
| 16:17.41 | stew | stuartSan: what do you mean "reads"? |
| 16:17.51 | macks | i'm trying to install winxp on secondary master ide, it installs if i temporarily move that drive to primary ide, but then when i move the drive back and try to boot it from grub it blue screens. |
| 16:17.52 | stuartSan | stew: the file is empty, not sure what to change to sarge if i wanna update |
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| 16:18.13 | stew | yeah you have done something wrong then |
| 16:18.17 | paulswm | macks: you need to swap the drives in grub |
| 16:18.20 | SpamHog | the tiny-url thing is some site that lets you tunr a huge URL into a tiny one, I got scolded many times for posting monster urls here! |
| 16:18.22 | greycat | stuartSan: run apt-setup |
| 16:18.25 | stew | stuartSan: you'd best run apt-setyp |
| 16:18.33 | cathy | I will read it now, thank you SpamHog |
| 16:18.35 | stew | err s/yp/up/ |
| 16:18.49 | stuartSan | dang, booting back and forth is kinda tiring lol thanks for the help |
| 16:19.09 | SpamHog | cathy: "RL welcome!" |
| 16:19.14 | paulswm | macks: or ed it your C:\BOOT.INI file. It's easier to swap the drives in grub. |
| 16:19.15 | macks | paulswm: i use the map command like: map (hd0) (hd2) and map (hd2) (hd0) already. is that what you mean? |
| 16:19.30 | stuartSan | i did a pppoeconf and modconf and from the beginning until now woody doesn't detect my network card, how am i gonna connect online to apt-get now |
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| 16:19.58 | paulswm | macks: I assume you change that when you move the drive between primary and secondary |
| 16:20.11 | paulswm | macks: If not, that's your problem |
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| 16:20.59 | macks | paulswm: yes, windows boots fine when its disk is on the primary ide. i move it to secondary ide and have grub configured with those map commands, it starts to load but blue screens |
| 16:21.16 | stuartSan | or where can i get a help file regarding connecting to the internet with base o/s |
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| 16:23.14 | greycat | !d-i stuartSan |
| 16:23.15 | dpkg | stuartSan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:23.50 | mufa | hi, I cannot enable dma on my pata hdd. It says "operation not permited". Any idea how could I fix that? |
| 16:24.18 | Blissex | mufa: you need a chipset specific driver... |
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| 16:25.01 | mufa | Blissex: and if I cannot find it on the motherboars site, where should I look for it? |
| 16:25.11 | pzn | I have one k7-2400, a k6-500 and p2-333, and want to install debian on k7 and use it with /home(rw),/usr(ro) nfs mounted. how about /var, should I mount ro or rw? |
| 16:25.25 | Blissex | mufa: what? |
| 16:25.37 | SpamHog | I read D-I Anyone knows if D-I netinstall using RC2 HD media (vmlinuz+initrd.gz & lilo) is also broken by preparations for RC3? Announcement doesn't say... |
| 16:25.45 | Blissex | pzn: RW, but each machine should have its own /var |
| 16:25.53 | mufa | Blissex: where could I find the drivers? |
| 16:26.00 | Blissex | mufa: in the Linux kernel. |
| 16:26.02 | cheal | $msg dpkg d-i |
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| 16:26.20 | pzn | Blissex: ok. got the point. I tought it could be shared /var, but it does not make sense. thanks! |
| 16:26.21 | Blissex | mufa: check the Linux IDE driver documentation. |
| 16:26.22 | bizarro_paco | hi |
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| 16:26.30 | SpamHog | Oops bad cut & paste... |
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| 16:27.13 | caphuso | a read-only /var... now that's an interesting idea |
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| 16:27.41 | caphuso | probably useful with noexec / and /usr |
| 16:27.45 | bizarro_paco | I am trying to install my wpc54g linksys wireless card using ndiswrapper, but i cannot get my laptop to detect my card, even though I have the pcmcia-cs installed. |
| 16:27.48 | mufa | Blissex: I don't think there is a suitable drive in lib/modules.../ide |
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| 16:27.53 | leo_decapriyo | any girl want to chat with me |
| 16:28.00 | pzn | I'll mount with nfs /home /media /opt and /usr. do you recommend any other dir? |
| 16:28.04 | stew | leo_decapriyo: go away |
| 16:28.06 | SpamHog | Anyone knows if D-I netinstall using RC2 HD media (vmlinuz+initrd.gz on HD, + lilo) is also broken by preparations for RC3? Announcement doesn't say... Is HD similar to "business card" (broken)? |
| 16:28.09 | Blissex | caphuso: a read-only '/var' surely blocks all spam, that's an advantage :-) |
| 16:28.13 | caphuso | Blissex: hahaha |
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| 16:28.36 | Blissex | mufa: which chipset have you got? |
| 16:28.55 | harpiain | hi! I want to do a high-performance cluster for postgresql! how do I do a cluster in debian? |
| 16:30.15 | mufa | Blissex: intel 865PE |
| 16:30.22 | mufa | Blissex: ICH5 |
| 16:30.25 | leo_decapriyo | any girl want to chat with me |
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| 16:31.33 | Blissex | mufa: of course there is the ICH specific driver for that. |
| 16:31.59 | SpamHog | leo_decapriyo: try #deesleksicks on EFnet? |
| 16:32.08 | mufa | Blissex: which is that? |
| 16:32.27 | harpiain | Hi! Does anyone know how I do a cluster? |
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| 16:32.41 | SpamHog | http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ sorry can't help more |
| 16:32.47 | Blissex | mufa: the PIIX4 one, which will be built into the IDE driver. If you remembered to switch it on when you compiled the kernel. |
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| 16:33.05 | mufa | Blissex: I'm using debian's kernel |
| 16:33.20 | Blissex | mufa: then you are not enabling DMA as 'root'. |
| 16:33.20 | displague | what is the safe way to add a debconf value? I want to add "exim4-config exim4/localdelivery maildir_home" but debconf-set-selections gives me the willies |
| 16:33.35 | stuartSan | man they helpfiles don't go into detail on how'd i connect online from bash |
| 16:33.44 | displague | that value is used by update-exim4.conf, but never setup by exim4-config |
| 16:33.51 | TheTom | is it against better knowledge that i use : in some filenames? |
| 16:33.53 | mufa | Blissex: and piix module is loaded |
| 16:33.53 | asg | harpiain: http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2004-August/010536.html (should give you some pointers) |
| 16:34.05 | greycat | TheTom: bash's tab completion hiccups on it, but it's fine. |
| 16:34.05 | SpamHog | hairpiain: also, http://www.irb.hr/en/cir/projects/dcc/00001/ |
| 16:34.08 | mufa | Blissex: and I am root on the machine (id0 I mean) |
| 16:34.19 | mufa | uid, sorry |
| 16:34.35 | Blissex | mufa: then it must work... |
| 16:35.04 | Blissex | mufa: unless perhaps you are using a very very old kernel. |
| 16:35.10 | mufa | Blissex: well, it doesn't. Does it matter it loads ide-generic ? |
| 16:35.17 | mufa | Blissex: 2.6.10 is very old? |
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| 16:35.31 | Blissex | mufa: so it must work. You are not telling us something... |
| 16:35.55 | greycat | SpamHog: stop. |
| 16:36.02 | harpiain | Does anyone use DCC-cluster? |
| 16:36.07 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:36.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:36.17 | mufa | Blissex: what could I forget to tell you? |
| 16:36.29 | SpamHog | sorry, I didn't know it went to everyone! I'll NEVER do it again... |
| 16:36.47 | SpamHog | how to I stop it? |
| 16:36.54 | ledet | SpamHog: you dont... too late |
| 16:37.03 | Blissex | mufa: that's a bit of a difficult questions to answer... |
| 16:37.05 | SpamHog | shit |
| 16:37.15 | Blissex | mufa: let me check a douple of things... |
| 16:37.19 | foureyes779 | SpamHog: now i dont feel so bad.... |
| 16:37.20 | mufa | Blissex: sure |
| 16:37.37 | foureyes779 | SpamHog: i hit the wrong key sequence earlier and did that |
| 16:37.44 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 16:38.10 | harpiain | SpamHog, does you use DCC-cluster? |
| 16:38.25 | SpamHog | darn irc-campesino |
| 16:38.42 | Blissex | mufa: in the meantime, whats the output of 'lspci | egrep IDE'? |
| 16:39.01 | obtix | what command do i use to kill a process by its name/cmd not its pid? |
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| 16:39.10 | asg | obtix: pkill |
| 16:39.26 | Henning | obtix: pkill or killall |
| 16:39.39 | mufa | Blissex: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:39.44 | Blissex | obtix: but note that there can be many processor with the same name... |
| 16:39.51 | mufa | Blissex: 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02) |
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| 16:40.13 | obtix | asg & Henning: thank you! |
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| 16:40.19 | obtix | Blissex: i know, but in this case there isn't |
| 16:40.40 | Blissex | mufa: now, the output of lspci -n | egrep 0000:00:1f.1' |
| 16:40.48 | obtix | what would you guys recommend, killall or pkill? |
| 16:41.01 | Blissex | obtix: does it matter? |
| 16:41.07 | greycat | I'd recommend writing your programs PROPERLY. |
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| 16:41.22 | mufa | Blissex: 0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:24db (rev 02) |
| 16:41.25 | greycat | Keep the PIDs around, don't rely on silly name hacks. |
| 16:41.25 | cathy | SpamHog: kernel panic |
| 16:41.34 | SpamHog | hairpiain: no, I worked with folks who used Beowulf, and read a bit abt. the Knoppix-based instant-clusters, there's been a few, like lan parties w/o games |
| 16:41.45 | SpamHog | cathy: ?? |
| 16:41.53 | cathy | SpamHog: kernel panic, tried different things, nothing yet, I am still at the step of |
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| 16:42.06 | SpamHog | ah, YOUR kernel, I C |
| 16:42.08 | obtix | greycat: well the PID changes and i need to kill and restart this process daily on the server |
| 16:42.10 | cathy | booting from grub floppy |
| 16:42.16 | obtix | how do i keep the pid the same then? |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | obtix: WHY? |
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| 16:42.54 | rich59 | How do i install debian from unix ? Just steps, i have a hda2 free |
| 16:42.55 | greycat | sudo apt-get install timeout; while :; do timeout 86400 my process; done |
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| 16:43.09 | greycat | rich59: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 16:43.16 | obtix | greycat: because during the log file rotation that happens daily logging stops until the process restarts and the new log file does have the same owner/group and permissions but wont start logging until the orig process is killed |
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| 16:43.49 | greycat | so why are you using logrotate to manage this thing's logs? use runuit or daemontools. |
| 16:43.55 | greycat | runit. |
| 16:44.12 | asuffield | or just don't use this monumentally stupid thing with it's braindamaged notion of log files |
| 16:44.13 | rich59 | thanks |
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| 16:44.25 | mufa | Blissex: thank you for helping me, but I have to go now :( |
| 16:44.31 | greycat | or modify the source to make it leave a PID file. |
| 16:44.37 | greycat | or use start-stop-daemon to make a PID file. |
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| 16:44.51 | _morbid_ | people |
| 16:44.53 | obtix | ahh, ok... i think i got it |
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| 16:44.56 | obtix | thank you greycat |
| 16:45.10 | _morbid_ | I need to install libc6 in my sparc |
| 16:45.16 | _morbid_ | but it has a ciclic dependence |
| 16:45.25 | _morbid_ | so I need to force libc6 to be installed |
| 16:45.27 | greycat | _morbid_: whatever you're doing is fundamentally wrong. |
| 16:45.35 | greycat | _morbid_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 16:46.01 | FarrisG | Slightly off-topic: I have a user who has downloaded all of his mail to his local machine Outlook 2003. Is there an easy way to export all of that mail and give it back to my MTA (postfix)? |
| 16:46.09 | stew | _morbid_: how exactly did you get to where you are now, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:46.13 | rich59 | can i get debootstrap source with wget? |
| 16:46.21 | _morbid_ | greycat I just did a apt-get dist-upgrade from stable to unstable in my sparc box |
| 16:46.23 | SpamHog | cathy: read carefully the other guys' comments - apparently I did more than was strictly needed |
| 16:46.30 | stew | FarrisG: easiest way is to have him move it all into an imap folder that is on the server |
| 16:46.33 | greycat | _morbid_: does the box still WORK? |
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| 16:46.38 | asuffield | greycat: phu'q off |
| 16:46.38 | _morbid_ | greycat then started to have problems with the libc6 |
| 16:46.40 | greycat | _morbid_: if so, you HAVE GNU LIBC ON IT. |
| 16:46.50 | _morbid_ | greycat yeah, I used ar to unpack libc |
| 16:46.58 | greycat | whsat?!? |
| 16:46.59 | stew | uhh |
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| 16:47.16 | _morbid_ | greycat I started to have problems with dpkg cause it corrupted the old libc6 |
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| 16:47.26 | _morbid_ | then I used ar to unpack the deb file |
| 16:47.29 | greycat | BAH. I give up. |
| 16:47.31 | _morbid_ | and copyed |
| 16:47.31 | greycat | It's not worth it. |
| 16:47.42 | _morbid_ | I will have to reinstall? |
| 16:48.08 | stew | _morbid_: apt-get has problem dist-upgrading from woody, use aptitude, dont' unpack debs with ar |
| 16:48.21 | _morbid_ | humm |
| 16:48.31 | _morbid_ | too late to know |
| 16:49.25 | _morbid_ | I didnt reboot my sparc since saturday cause of these problems |
| 16:49.29 | _morbid_ | it is turned on at home |
| 16:49.40 | EdibleText | SpamHog, dont wake the gimp |
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| 16:50.16 | SpamHog | OK, I'll to to the attic c u & tnx anyway |
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| 16:51.10 | rich59 | i cant compile debootstap : no dpkg and make dev is not allowed |
| 16:51.35 | rich59 | i wrote this to dpkg |
| 16:51.44 | pzn | I'd like to setup a debian as "server", and 2 slow machines to use just as dumb terminals (X+mouse+keyboard). can you give me a hint? |
| 16:52.09 | _morbid_ | pzn http://www.ltsp.org/ |
| 16:52.16 | greycat | pzn: ssh -X fastbox someWM |
| 16:52.16 | njan | pzn, http://www.ltsp.org/ |
| 16:52.58 | displague | i have to 'pkill .*evol.*' all the time |
| 16:52.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does dpkg hate me? |
| 16:53.07 | displague | and .*moz.* |
| 16:53.11 | stew | !lart abrotman |
| 16:53.19 | asg | abrotman: talking to you in /msg? |
| 16:53.23 | abrotman | asg: he won't |
| 16:53.29 | asg | abrotman: happened to me the other day |
| 16:53.29 | _morbid_ | so next time I install debian stable in my sparc |
| 16:53.36 | _morbid_ | I should use aptitude to upgrade it? |
| 16:53.37 | displague | (where all the time ~= bi-daily) |
| 16:53.41 | abrotman | asg: fix? or just tell don? |
| 16:53.49 | thorie | whats the best terminal type to use with putty? $TERM=vt220 ? |
| 16:53.55 | greycat | thorie: xterm or putty |
| 16:54.01 | thorie | ty |
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| 16:54.27 | _morbid_ | so I should never use apt-get to upgrade a system? |
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| 16:57.31 | helix | peixe |
| 16:57.45 | thorie | E558: Terminal entry not found in terminfo |
| 16:57.45 | thorie | 'putty' not known. Available builtin terminals are: |
| 16:57.57 | drini | here's a not so debian specific question: when I start through kdm, all my keys (win keys, multimedia keys, etc) are available, but if I disable kdm at boot |
| 16:58.02 | drini | and start manually with startx, then no special key works |
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| 16:59.02 | drini | not even the winkey |
| 16:59.02 | FarrisG | stew: That was my original plan of action, but we currently don't have an imap server, and I won't be allowed to get one up for some time |
| 16:59.02 | grivell | wow |
| 16:59.02 | drini | II thought it had to do with XKBModel in X's configfile |
| 16:59.02 | jerome | drini: then your X conf is pretty weak |
| 16:59.02 | jerome | drini: it has |
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| 16:59.12 | _morbid_ | where can I read to know about these debian traps? |
| 16:59.16 | _morbid_ | like the one that I cant do a dist-upgrade with apt |
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| 16:59.17 | _morbid_ | ? |
| 16:59.35 | drini | do you know wich XKBModel enables the winkeys? |
| 16:59.36 | helix | _morbid_: eh? you can dist-upgrade with apt |
| 16:59.39 | petemc | _morbid_: that was mentioned in the debian weekly news |
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| 16:59.46 | _morbid_ | helix I did, and my system broked |
| 16:59.51 | _morbid_ | humm |
| 16:59.53 | AnhVu | hi, how can i set if i want one normal user can use SSH access or not? |
| 16:59.57 | helix | duh, you use unstable |
| 17:00.05 | drac | drini: Depends on your keyboard. |
| 17:00.05 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:00.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:00.06 | petemc | helix: there was an issue with woody->sarge using apt-get |
| 17:00.06 | helix | what did you expect? |
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| 17:00.22 | petemc | but yesm obviously sid can break |
| 17:00.23 | helix | oh, so a temporary problem? |
| 17:00.48 | visual | !sound |
| 17:00.48 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 17:01.01 | helix | kittenbot: are you really a bot? |
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| 17:01.12 | greycat | are you really a kitten? |
| 17:01.24 | kittenbot | *rawr* |
| 17:01.29 | drini | well, when started with kdm it uses Hewlet packard pavilion XT11xx, so I tried besides pc104 |
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| 17:01.39 | kittenbot | that answer your question ? |
| 17:01.39 | caphuso | it's funny that people still expect apt-get to be able to do large scale upgrades |
| 17:01.40 | drini | inet, hpzt11xx and presario |
| 17:01.44 | visual | !sarge sound |
| 17:01.45 | drini | following :q |
| 17:01.47 | nvz | man, I need a beer :P I didn't feel like shit last night, but I do now |
| 17:01.51 | helix | shriek, you use french punctuation |
| 17:01.51 | grivell | kittenbot: But are you a bot? ;) |
| 17:01.57 | visual | how to get help about setting up sound in sarge? |
| 17:01.58 | drini | follwing /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/Xfree86.lst |
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| 17:02.19 | greycat | visual: step 1) install sarge. step 2) sudo adduser $USER audio. step 3) logout and back in. step 4) there is no step 4. |
| 17:02.26 | asg | abrotman: I'll just have to call him 'He who should not be named' from now on |
| 17:02.43 | _morbid_ | ok |
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| 17:02.54 | visual | greycat: did all that didnt work, also used "discover" to find autocard |
| 17:02.58 | visual | greycat: reinstalled sarge yday |
| 17:03.03 | _morbid_ | so I wont use sid anymore, so testing have new versions of software? |
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| 17:03.25 | visual | greycat: did all these steps nothing helped so? |
| 17:03.28 | _morbid_ | I just wanna a machine with a gnome 2.x |
| 17:03.30 | nvz | greycat: there really arent any steps 2-4, sarge generally adds the user created in base-config to many groups, audio, cdrom, dialup..etc |
| 17:03.32 | greycat | !errors |
| 17:03.32 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 17:03.34 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 17:03.34 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 17:03.51 | greycat | nvz: oh, I always skipped that step and added my own user later. |
| 17:03.58 | abrotman | asg: que? |
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| 17:04.20 | QUACH-VU | hi, how can i set if i want one normal user can use SSH access or not? |
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| 17:04.29 | asg | abrotman: nevermind, I mentioned don and was CRPd ;) |
| 17:04.38 | greycat | QUACH-VU: man sshd_config; man sshd |
| 17:04.40 | greycat | QUACH-VU: google. |
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| 17:05.06 | abrotman | asg: oh |
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| 17:05.08 | QUACH-VU | thanks |
| 17:05.16 | nvz | more likely "or not" because if its a "normal user" and you have sshd running, he can, in fact login via ssh |
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| 17:05.43 | greycat | unless he reads the man pages and searches for Allow or Deny |
| 17:05.43 | cy_ | heya ! my `apt-get upgrade` stops silently withouth error at the first package ( http://sial.org/pbot/8211 ) .. anyone any ideas on what the problem could be ? |
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| 17:06.10 | zamolxes | so what would be a simple method to install debian if I can only boot from LAN? |
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| 17:06.40 | helix | cy_: there's no problem there; packages have been held back, it's only installing one thing |
| 17:06.41 | caphuso | cy_: because it successfully installed the one package it was going to install |
| 17:06.45 | nvz | sorry, dahntahn. |
| 17:06.48 | helix | cy_: when it finishes, it's done |
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| 17:07.23 | caphuso | which isn't an action you'd expect to get an error message from |
| 17:07.30 | greycat | cy_: 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 48 not upgraded. |
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| 17:07.46 | greycat | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 17:07.49 | greycat | huge list. |
| 17:07.49 | petemc | zamolxes: the netboot images |
| 17:08.00 | asuffield | the problem, therefore, is that you can't read |
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| 17:08.32 | cy_ | ok, thank you.. |
| 17:08.39 | visual | someone tell me how i can get soundcard cmi8330 work on sarge+ |
| 17:08.44 | cy_ | but when i redo apt-get upgrade, it still wants to install that one package.. |
| 17:08.54 | cy_ | thats somehow incorrect, isnt it ? |
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| 17:08.59 | greycat | OH! *now* I remember why I /ignore'd you. |
| 17:09.02 | greycat | You were that liar. |
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| 17:09.14 | cy_ | me ? |
| 17:09.14 | greycat | the one who said he opened up the computer and looked inside, then 2 minutes later said "no, I didn't open it" |
| 17:09.15 | cy_ | :( |
| 17:09.16 | QUACH-VU | greycat i read it but still dont know what i should change in that file to make my user can have SSH access |
| 17:09.19 | greycat | cy_: no, visual. |
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| 17:09.28 | cy_ | ah ok |
| 17:09.28 | visual | greycat: i never told i opened up my computer |
| 17:09.30 | visual | greycat: i only told information about the card |
| 17:09.34 | greycat | OK, 10 days this time. |
| 17:09.46 | jclinton | cy_, is it possible that that package is failing to install? |
| 17:10.07 | cy_ | but it doesnt.. seems like everythings allraight.. no errors |
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| 17:10.16 | cy_ | but yes, it must be failing.... somehow mh |
| 17:10.18 | nvz | visual: locate a driver that supports it, and load it ALSA Supported Hardware: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/, OSS Supported Hardware: http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html |
| 17:10.19 | greycat | when will people *learn*? |
| 17:10.36 | greycat | nvz: based on yesterday, we have evidence that his card is physically broken. lspci didn't show it. |
| 17:10.39 | asuffield | greycat: they generally don't |
| 17:10.51 | greycat | nvz: he flat-out refused to do any sort of basic hardware diagnostics at all. |
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| 17:11.07 | greycat | nvz: he insists it's Debian's fault somehow. |
| 17:11.18 | visual | greycat: it just worked on windows98:P |
| 17:11.22 | nvz | greycat: oh, so he could have tripped on the speaker coord and knocked the card out. |
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| 17:11.39 | nvz | wtf |
| 17:11.45 | takatumi | big wtf? |
| 17:11.47 | greycat | netunsplit, it would appear. |
| 17:11.49 | nvz | screw you guys |
| 17:12.17 | nvz | next time feel free to stagger in at different times |
| 17:12.21 | jclinton | cy_, well i'm not sure then |
| 17:12.30 | jclinton | cy_, does dpkg say that that package is installed? |
| 17:13.10 | TheBlueWizard | nvz: grow up....you can't time the "staggering in" |
| 17:13.19 | jclinton | cy_, also are you sure that its asking to install the exact same version each time? |
| 17:13.26 | visual | so anyone knows what should i do to get this soundcard work? |
| 17:13.26 | cy_ | yeap |
| 17:13.30 | cy_ | over and over again.. |
| 17:13.40 | asg | visual: just go and buy one that does, they aren't exactly expensive these days. |
| 17:13.41 | stew | visual: you first need to figure out if its isa or pci |
| 17:13.41 | helix | visual: didn't greycat say it was physically broken or some such? |
| 17:13.42 | jclinton | cy_, so does it say it's installed? |
| 17:13.48 | cy_ | i dunno how to check that |
| 17:13.52 | cy_ | need to RTFM |
| 17:13.59 | jclinton | cy_, hold |
| 17:14.04 | stew | helix: well he was saying that it was definately pci but didn't show up in lspci |
| 17:14.11 | visual | helix: it is not |
| 17:14.18 | helix | visual: how do you know? |
| 17:14.18 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.22 | stew | helix: but in reality its probably isa |
| 17:14.27 | helix | blech |
| 17:14.28 | QUACH-VU | greycat i read it but still dont know what i should change in that file to make my user can have SSH access |
| 17:14.34 | greycat | QUACH-VU: man sshd_config |
| 17:14.43 | greycat | QUACH-VU: SEARCH FOR THE WORD "allow" and the word "deny". |
| 17:14.46 | jclinton | cy_, dpkg -s <packagename including version> |
| 17:14.46 | greycat | QUACH-VU: read. |
| 17:14.48 | visual | helix: it worked on win98 just before |
| 17:14.52 | QUACH-VU | ok thanks |
| 17:15.16 | helix | err |
| 17:15.16 | nvz | damn its a good thing I didnt drink much last night.. if I got a headache from a little Cpt Morgan |
| 17:15.17 | cy_ | Status: install ok installed |
| 17:15.23 | rich59 | I have wget installed, what do i do to start dpkg? |
| 17:15.28 | helix | remind me not to look at man pages when I'm playing around with locales |
| 17:15.28 | jclinton | cy_, try dpkg -C |
| 17:16.20 | cy_ | jclinton; gives no output.. |
| 17:16.28 | jclinton | cy_, this is a long shot but maybe apt is confused ... try running apt-cache gencaches |
| 17:16.42 | jclinton | cy_, that means everything checked out |
| 17:16.49 | cy_ | hum |
| 17:16.58 | cy_ | redone it, still no output with dpkg -C |
| 17:17.05 | jclinton | yea that's good |
| 17:17.08 | rich59 | hi dpkg |
| 17:17.11 | cy_ | good ;) |
| 17:17.15 | jclinton | try the apt-cache gencaches |
| 17:17.18 | cy_ | did that |
| 17:17.35 | jclinton | ok try your apt-get upgrade or distupgrade again |
| 17:17.54 | cy_ | still the same.. |
| 17:17.55 | cy_ | heh.. |
| 17:18.35 | QUACH-VU | when i finish read MAN FILe, which command to exit the MAN document? |
| 17:18.39 | caphuso | QUACH-VU: q |
| 17:19.00 | QUACH-VU | thx |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | hi caphuso, how are you today |
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| 17:19.15 | jclinton | cy_, are you doing apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 17:19.18 | caphuso | abrotman: so far quite good |
| 17:19.31 | abrotman | caphuso: i was trying to make dpkg talk |
| 17:19.31 | helix | why do people treat words like 'man' and 'debian' etc like they're acronyms? |
| 17:19.33 | nvz | you aren't exiting the man document, you are exiting the pager thats displaying the document |
| 17:19.36 | abrotman | caphuso: he was doing weird stuff last night |
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| 17:19.42 | abrotman | hi abrotman, how are you |
| 17:19.42 | dpkg | abrotman: eh, ok |
| 17:19.43 | jclinton | cy_, also try apt-get check |
| 17:19.46 | abrotman | caphuso: see |
| 17:19.47 | caphuso | abrotman: can't help with that |
| 17:19.49 | cy_ | jclinton; upgrade |
| 17:19.52 | jethro | QUACH-VU: man man |
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| 17:20.00 | stouset | Anyone familiar with setting up apache as an anonymous proxy? |
| 17:20.00 | cy_ | check is done fine |
| 17:20.04 | abrotman | stouset: #apache |
| 17:20.05 | jclinton | cy_, apt-get dist-upgrade is always the safer one, IMHO |
| 17:20.12 | helix | jclinton: ?? |
| 17:20.13 | zinx | helix: M-A-N is a big word how to pronounce it ?? |
| 17:20.15 | helix | jclinton: why?! |
| 17:20.26 | stouset | abrotman: That should have been obvious :-) *kicks self* |
| 17:20.27 | caphuso | ouch |
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| 17:20.28 | jclinton | helix, man page contents |
| 17:20.29 | nvz | heh |
| 17:20.43 | cy_ | now it also does the held back ones with dist-upgrade .. |
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| 17:21.17 | greycat | cy_: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 17:21.31 | mufa | Blissex: thanks for helping me with my dma problem |
| 17:21.34 | nvz | gonna try some herbal remedy, get me woke up and not feeling like shit. |
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| 17:21.46 | jclinton | cy_, upgrade only installs packages that will not pull in other new packages or remove old ones |
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| 17:22.08 | cy_ | jclinton; thats gay. :/ |
| 17:22.12 | greycat | !gay |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 17:22.13 | jclinton | cy_, dist-upgrade 'smartly' selects appropriate upgrades and installations for the software you have installed |
| 17:22.16 | Blissex | mufa: but we didn't finish... |
| 17:22.22 | jclinton | cy_, that's why dist-upgrade is better |
| 17:22.42 | cy_ | yes.. i got you.. thanks for enlighten me |
| 17:22.51 | stouset | jclinton: There have to be legitimate uses for normal upgrade, though, right? =\ |
| 17:22.54 | mufa | Blissex: I'm back |
| 17:22.54 | Blissex | mufa: I was still checking the story with your version of the ICH5... |
| 17:22.54 | caphuso | or it unsmartly selects inappropriate removals... |
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| 17:23.11 | jclinton | stouset, sure ... to upgrade a specific package |
| 17:23.27 | caphuso | jclinton: huh? |
| 17:23.32 | jclinton | nvm |
| 17:23.34 | jclinton | lol |
| 17:23.38 | William | whats all this crap about dropping all arch's but four? |
| 17:23.39 | mufa | Blissex: I gave you the output of lpsci -n command |
| 17:23.42 | jclinton | was thinking of dpkg right then |
| 17:23.50 | caphuso | to upgrade a specific package you use apt-get install |
| 17:23.59 | jclinton | caphuso, yep |
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| 17:24.01 | stouset | jclinton: I suppose it might come in handy if there are some broken dependencies, too, in that it won't try to uninstall. |
| 17:24.02 | nvz | it actually feels like I hit my head on something feels bruised to the touch.. heh |
| 17:24.12 | William | it put a major kink in my debian gospel today |
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| 17:24.19 | jclinton | stouset, i suppose... i never use upgrade |
| 17:24.34 | caphuso | William: read the actual proposal and not the slashcrap/lwn/... coverage of it |
| 17:24.34 | jclinton | William, it's only talk |
| 17:24.35 | QUACH-VU | greycat i just add AllowUsers user to sshd_config but it doesnt work out, i still can not use SSH to login with normal user. must i reboot server? |
| 17:24.37 | stouset | jclinton: I don't either =\ Usually I just go into aptitude and sort things out for myself. |
| 17:24.57 | William | yes i know its a proposal... |
| 17:24.59 | jclinton | stouset, doesn't aptitude use dist-upgrade to sellect for upgrade? |
| 17:25.03 | stouset | QUACH-VU: You will very, very rarely have to reboot a Linux server in ordert o get some specific daemon working |
| 17:25.12 | stouset | QUACH-VU: /etc/init.d/<service> restart is usually more than enough. |
| 17:25.15 | greycat | usually nfs/autofs |
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| 17:25.28 | rich59 | keep dpkg free |
| 17:25.35 | stouset | jclinton: Sure, but I can sort out broken dependencies on my own, then. |
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| 17:25.53 | jclinton | stouset, sure |
| 17:26.06 | jclinton | though since i installed debian i haven't had any broken deps |
| 17:26.17 | stouset | Not running unstable are you? :-) |
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| 17:26.24 | jclinton | no i'm in unstable |
| 17:26.33 | jclinton | i always use dist-upgrade |
| 17:26.36 | stouset | Lucky. |
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| 17:26.59 | stouset | Hell, libgtkmm and gnumeric-common are broken right now. |
| 17:27.07 | jclinton | stouset, the only trouble i've had is the mono dep tree is broken |
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| 17:27.14 | greycat | oh looky, broken gnome siht. |
| 17:27.14 | stouset | gnucash-common, my bad. |
| 17:27.15 | greycat | shit* |
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| 17:27.25 | stouset | Nah, just missing dependencies from stuff in incoming. |
| 17:27.28 | FarrisG | Anybody know if there's a blackberry server (or something that will serve as one) available for Linux/Debian? |
| 17:27.46 | PerfDave | I have blackberry bushes down the bottom of my street, does that count? |
| 17:27.54 | jclinton | mono has some library that conflicts with another |
| 17:28.03 | stouset | jclinton: what? I have mono installed fine. |
| 17:28.10 | jclinton | stouset, hold i'll find it |
| 17:28.12 | helix | is there any good software for spreadsheets besides gnumeric? |
| 17:28.12 | stouset | jclinton: using it for development right now |
| 17:28.23 | stouset | helix: kspreadsheet? OO Calc? |
| 17:28.33 | helix | those are both probably heavier |
| 17:28.38 | QUACH-VU | greycat if i want to allow user named "vietphim" having SSH access to my server , i just add the line " AllowUsers vietphim" into sshd_config ? |
| 17:28.42 | stouset | helix: gnumeric seems fine to me, though; I've grown to like it |
| 17:28.43 | nvz | yeah but they work good |
| 17:28.47 | jclinton | stouset, sorry it's monodevelop that's borked |
| 17:28.49 | helix | stouset: yeah, gnumeric is not bad |
| 17:28.54 | nvz | gnumeric is about as lightweight as you can get |
| 17:28.58 | greycat | QUACH-VU: I'm refusing to answer you any more because you're confusing the living fuck out of me by not stating your problem clearly. |
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| 17:29.09 | stouset | AbiWord, on the other hand... |
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| 17:29.10 | greycat | ALL USERS ARE ALLOWED TO SSH IN BY DEFAULT, EXCEPT POSSIBLY ROOT. |
| 17:29.11 | helix | I try to avoid OO.o where possible |
| 17:29.19 | greycat | OR USERS WHO HAVE NO PASSWORD. |
| 17:29.25 | asuffield | helix: whatever you are trying to do, a spreadsheet is most likely the *wrong* tool for the task :P |
| 17:29.34 | jclinton | greycat, no need to yell |
| 17:29.38 | greycat | If you have users who CAN'T ssh in, it's because YOU DID SOMETHING. You didn't say WHAT, though, so we can't help you. |
| 17:29.42 | helix | asuffield: oh, that's entirely possible -- I'm not sure what the right tool is in some cases, though :) |
| 17:29.50 | takatumi | helix: sc |
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| 17:30.02 | stouset | helix: Aye, OO.o just feels too heavy to me. I also get a lot of instability when using OLE objects, but that may have been fixed by now. |
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| 17:30.29 | helix | I usually don't need anything complicated |
| 17:30.29 | stouset | helix: the right tool is *always* duct tape. |
| 17:30.37 | helix | in general I just want to look at stuff laid out a certain way |
| 17:30.51 | jclinton | stouset, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common |
| 17:30.52 | nvz | you guys don't know what it means to use the wrong tool, until you see this damn Voter File the county sent me.. they included a 13page pdf on how to make sense of the damn thing. |
| 17:31.00 | helix | like in my stalking file, it's nice to see names, ages, whether they prefer boxers or briefs |
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| 17:31.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:31.16 | asuffield | helix: that is a fucking DATABASE. do not use a spreadsheet as a database. |
| 17:31.18 | stouset | jclinton: d'oh :-) I use eclipse for C# anyways... |
| 17:31.27 | helix | asuffield: well, I don't do this often, y'know |
| 17:31.29 | jclinton | stouset, work nicely? |
| 17:31.36 | helix | I think I've used a spreadsheet willingly once |
| 17:31.57 | helix | setting up databases seems more complicated |
| 17:32.01 | stouset | jclinton: monodevelop is nice, but I hate that I can't use nant for building (or even specify my own buildchain), it doesn't integrate with subversion, and...something else that I don't remember. |
| 17:32.47 | stouset | jclinton: Eclipse works great, after a little bit of wedging. The C# support isn't as good, especially in the realm of projects and syntax highlighting, but I was able to get it to use the subversion plugin with a little effort. And I can use nant :-) |
| 17:32.50 | PerfDave | SELECT * FROM helixstalk ORDER BY hawtness, underwear; |
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| 17:32.57 | stouset | 0 rows returned; |
| 17:33.03 | helix | heh |
| 17:33.12 | kneet | php4-gd2 installed on woody - /etc/php4/apache/php.ini has extension=gd.so - I'm getting an error for both imagecreatetruecolor and imagecopyresampled that they require GD 2.0 or later - are these functions available in the woody php4-gd2 libraries? Grief - wish I could drop php more and more often these days |
| 17:33.15 | jclinton | stouset, nice |
| 17:33.16 | greycat | PerfDave: order by hawtness desc |
| 17:33.24 | asuffield | <Tv> FROM SQL UNSELECT SHOUTING |
| 17:33.32 | helix | haha |
| 17:33.36 | helix | fuck sql :/ |
| 17:33.36 | stouset | jclinton: merging files through svn with Eclipse is hella easy. |
| 17:33.44 | helix | but flat files don't do it |
| 17:33.54 | helix | or maybe they do |
| 17:33.55 | helix | with XML! |
| 17:34.00 | asuffield | sql is case-insensitive for commands. there is no *reason* why people capitalise it all the time, they're just being fuckheads |
| 17:34.09 | nvz | heh |
| 17:34.15 | stouset | asuffield: or caps-lock is stuck on =\ |
| 17:34.33 | rich59 | hi dpkg ... ? |
| 17:34.46 | jelly | kneet: I know it seems strange, but have you tried using php4-gd instead of php4-gd2? |
| 17:34.51 | Delph | asuffield: except having control and data sections obviously different makes it easier to read. |
| 17:34.59 | idnar | well, I use caps so that it's easier to differentiate SQL words from table names, column names, etc. |
| 17:35.04 | kneet | jelly - I'll try anything at this point :) |
| 17:35.13 | idnar | but most people seem to use the RANDOM caps METHOD OF WRITING sql |
| 17:35.18 | PerfDave | greycat: Depends on how you rate hawtness ;) |
| 17:35.23 | stouset | asuffield: and capitalizing the SQL commands does a nice job of visually separating the command from the data to be queried. It's a lot easier to read the first example than the second |
| 17:35.23 | helix | that's what the howtos use, iirc |
| 17:35.24 | stouset | SELECT name,email,address FROM users |
| 17:35.24 | stouset | select name,email,address from users |
| 17:35.31 | stew | stouset: stop that |
| 17:35.39 | stouset | ...que? |
| 17:35.40 | PerfDave | greycat: If you use a "bargepole length" scale, then you want ascending sort. |
| 17:35.52 | asuffield | stouset: use a fucking real editor |
| 17:36.04 | asuffield | don't mangle the text just because your editor is shit |
| 17:36.06 | stouset | Again. Que? |
| 17:36.17 | kneet | jelly - same error |
| 17:36.18 | Delph | asuffield: you have a plugin for your editor for reading server logs? |
| 17:36.21 | EdibleText | idnar, zippy the PINHEAD FORTUNE syndrome |
| 17:36.28 | helix | Delph: he uses emacs, of course... |
| 17:36.32 | jelly | kneet: you'll probably be better with a backported php 4.3.x, that 4.1.2 from woody is really old, and really buggy (esp. php4-pear). |
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| 17:37.09 | stew | Delph: i do |
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| 17:37.17 | kneet | Jelly - As soon as I've got all the data migrated I've got a sarge disk waiting to go in - but I've got someone wanting to use the functions over the easter break :( |
| 17:37.40 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mailbox stares at you |
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| 17:37.45 | nvz | heh |
| 17:38.01 | azreal | anyone able to install unstable backdown jre? |
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| 17:38.12 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 17:38.28 | jclinton | how can i install and remove a package with apt-get in the same command? I want to switch out a dep |
| 17:38.28 | stouset | Jesus, my company bought *one* thing from CDW, and now I have their sales people calling me every three days asking me if everything is okay and whether or not they can start pricing us out for new equipment. |
| 17:38.37 | PerfDave | jclinton: apt-get install foo -bar |
| 17:38.44 | jclinton | PerfDave, thanks |
| 17:38.44 | stew | jclinton: apt-get install pkg pkgtoremove- |
| 17:38.53 | PerfDave | Oh, does the minus go afterwards? Whoops. |
| 17:38.59 | stouset | jclinton: I've always just done a dpkg --purge --force <package> and then installed the replaced dependency |
| 17:39.01 | azreal | i guess, somehow the preinst script screwed something up when i accidently selected "no" i do not accept your fucking liscense agreement. |
| 17:39.06 | stew | jclinton: or apt-get remove pkg pkgtoinstall+ |
| 17:39.10 | Blissex | stouset: thanks CRM sw vendors for that... :-) |
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| 17:39.29 | azreal | so now, i cant install it at all apparently |
| 17:39.46 | jclinton | sweetness, it works beautifully |
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| 17:40.14 | N00b2Debian | hey all |
| 17:40.17 | stouset | Apt killed my children. |
| 17:40.21 | greycat | ~love jclinton |
| 17:40.23 | apt | If you love jclinton so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 17:40.26 | nvz | azreal: in unstable you have the option of using java-package |
| 17:40.33 | jclinton | lol |
| 17:40.35 | greycat | damn. another apt fuckup. |
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| 17:40.43 | rich59 | hi dpkg are you gone? |
| 17:40.43 | kneet | jelly, I'll get 'em to go with ImageCreate, ImageCopyResized instead for the time being:( |
| 17:40.46 | stew | nvz: in all three versions |
| 17:41.07 | azreal | nvz: cool, ill check that out then. |
| 17:41.08 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.15 | nvz | stew: umm? no. wtf are you talking about |
| 17:41.21 | jelly | kneet: you're lucky your customers are actually able to fix the code. ;-) |
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| 17:41.27 | stouset | N00b2Debian: I see you're still here :-) |
| 17:41.27 | N00b2Debian | so guys last night I was getting lots of help trying to get debian on my system .. it was determined my broadcom NIC isnt currently supported |
| 17:41.27 | stew | nvz: java-package works in woody and sarge |
| 17:41.31 | nvz | !+info java-package woody |
| 17:41.33 | N00b2Debian | Hi Foureyes ! |
| 17:41.33 | dpkg | Package 'java-package' does not exist. |
| 17:41.38 | nvz | !+info java-package sarge |
| 17:41.40 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 17:41.43 | greycat | nvz: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:41.47 | N00b2Debian | was wondering if someone could give me a suggestion off of newegg |
| 17:41.49 | kneet | jelly, heh - its a wordpress plugin - the lines are there just commented out |
| 17:42.10 | kneet | customers and customers - it's my box - got an IP from work - and just a few others on it |
| 17:42.30 | nvz | so you have to manually grab it off a mirror |
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| 17:42.45 | nvz | whatever pulls your java bandwagon I guess |
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| 17:42.59 | ecivo | Hey folks |
| 17:43.03 | stew | nvz: < jvw> greycat: if in woody, java-package works fine on woody I've especially payed attention to make java-package work on woody |
| 17:43.07 | N00b2Debian | foureyes ... did you catch my request? |
| 17:43.12 | jelly | kneet: then you might as well upgrade it... that is, if you have nothing better to do for 2-12 hours. ;-) |
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| 17:43.41 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: yeah, i just dont know anything abt NEWEGG |
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| 17:43.54 | nvz | stew: ooo so I missed an episode of #debian, sue me :P |
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| 17:44.04 | stew | !sue nvz |
| 17:44.04 | kneet | jelly, that's why the sarge disk isn't ready - got a deadline friday :( Will be switching over after easter anyway - but thanks for the advice :) |
| 17:44.37 | ecivo | how do I add "testing"-archives to the sources.list file of apt? |
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| 17:44.55 | rich59 | dpkg ???? |
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| 17:45.46 | nvz | ecivo: what? there would first have to be something called "testing"-archives for that to make any sense |
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| 17:46.00 | helix | rich59: did you want to talk to dpkg? |
| 17:46.29 | jclinton | ecivo, you mean you have stable and you want some testing or your want to upgrade? |
| 17:46.30 | rich59 | yes debootstrap did not work |
| 17:46.33 | stouset | !dpkg start an editor war |
| 17:46.34 | dpkg | pico users are clueballs |
| 17:46.34 | ecivo | nvz, ok, or unstable, or anything that has gnome>1.4 , kernel > 2.4.18, etc... |
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| 17:46.55 | EdibleText | !clueball |
| 17:46.57 | ecivo | jclin, your hitting the nail on its head... |
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| 17:47.04 | nvz | ecivo: are you talking about maybe you mean snapshot.debian.net? |
| 17:47.15 | jclinton | ecivo, don't listen to nvz |
| 17:47.18 | jla | When upgrading proftpd on Sarge today the configure failed to finish. Further testing showed that it was hanging on "rm -f /var/run/proftpd/proftpd* /var/run/proftpd.pid". If I try to use ls or du to see the size or contents of /var/run/proftpd the commands don't respond even to ctrl-c. /var is a reiserfs. What other tools are there for checking out what is up, or is my only course to reboot and fsck? |
| 17:47.26 | jclinton | ecivo, so you want to upgrade to testing? |
| 17:47.40 | jelly | nvz: he probably means "what do i add to sources.list to ugprade to sarge". |
| 17:47.40 | jclinton | ecivo, is this a new installation or an old one? |
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| 17:47.57 | nvz | jelly: k |
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| 17:48.17 | N0ob2Debian | im back ) |
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| 17:48.44 | jjazz_ | I just got a DVD player for my debian box. Can anybody recommend an app that reads the menus from the disk and displays them so I can use the DVD in the same way as with my regular DVD player? Thanks. |
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| 17:49.12 | jclinton | jjazz_, you'll have ot get the illegal parts somewhere |
| 17:49.16 | stew | jjazz_: ogle |
| 17:49.23 | ecivo | jclinton, the blood's still dripping, i.e. just installed it (via the debian3.0-woody-dvd), and when I type apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, the package-list in dselect still looks like a note from the stoneages... |
| 17:49.27 | jclinton | jjazz, then xine, ogle |
| 17:49.27 | jjazz_ | jclinton: what illegal parts? |
| 17:49.31 | ecivo | thats what it's all about... |
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| 17:49.47 | greycat | ecivo: um. was that intended to be a comprehensible communication? |
| 17:49.52 | jclinton | jjazz_, dvd playback on linux in the us is illegal |
| 17:49.52 | N0ob2Debian | foureyes are you still here? |
| 17:49.58 | stouset | jclinton: the part that lets you decrypt DVDs without giving your first-born son to the MPAA |
| 17:50.00 | stew | jjazz_: he's talking about libdvdcss2 to crack the dvd encryption |
| 17:50.33 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: no, i left abt 3 minutes ago |
| 17:50.33 | jjazz_ | stew, jclinton: Thanks. I'll google ogle and libdvdcss2. |
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| 17:50.34 | jelly | ecivo: wtf. s/(woody|stable)/sarge/g on sources.list, update and pray. ;-) |
| 17:50.34 | greycat | jjazz_: apt-cache search ogle |
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| 17:50.34 | stew | jjazz_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:50.34 | stouset | stew, jclinton: libdvdcss2 is in apt now??? |
| 17:50.34 | jclinton | ecivo, well you could upgrade but i would highly recommend that you use the sarge (testing) installer |
| 17:50.35 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 17:50.36 | jjazz_ | cool |
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| 17:50.37 | greycat | jelly: and dist-upgrade. |
| 17:50.43 | stew | stouset: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:50.44 | jelly | greycat: oh yes. |
| 17:50.47 | jclinton | stouset, no, it's from third party apt sources |
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| 17:50.59 | stouset | jclinton: Oh, whoops. Forgot I had marillat in there. |
| 17:51.01 | N0ob2Debian | do you think the zonenet nic cards are supported? |
| 17:51.03 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: i didnt know the answer to your previous question... |
| 17:51.08 | stouset | jclinton: noticed it in aptitude and about wet myself :-) |
| 17:51.11 | N0ob2Debian | O |
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| 17:51.17 | Darien | >.< |
| 17:51.33 | jclinton | ecivo, which will you be doing? i can point you in the right direction for both? |
| 17:51.37 | foureyes779 | N00b2Debian: isnt the broadcomm NIC supported ? |
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| 17:51.51 | N0ob2Debian | not without recompiling or something |
| 17:52.21 | ecivo | jclinton, ok I'll keep reinstalling in mind, for the case updating fails, first updating is my choice :) |
| 17:52.44 | jclinton | ecivo, ok the /etc/apt/souces.list file is where the changes go |
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| 17:52.45 | ecivo | A fitting link would be simply great, thanks :) |
| 17:52.56 | stouset | N00b2Debian: Weird. I could swear we've got a server in the back with a broadcom NIC in it. |
| 17:53.01 | ecivo | so far, I figured it out... |
| 17:53.03 | stouset | N00b2Debian: came up no problem, as I recall |
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| 17:53.15 | nvz | gah.. looks like my father turned off his pc.. the damn voter data I had open off his pc is not responding |
| 17:53.45 | N0ob2Debian | ugh... well then any idea why I would be getting a deboostrap error when installing sarge? |
| 17:53.48 | jclinton | ecivo, all you have to do is change the collumn that says "stable" to say "testing" |
| 17:54.02 | jclinton | ecivo, then just run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:54.06 | jclinton | ecivo, that's it! |
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| 17:54.23 | greycat | !punish Tcl for using "tail" and "dirname" as complementary opposites |
| 17:54.25 | jclinton | it should ask you a lot of questions |
| 17:54.37 | jelly | jclinton: ya know, it might be better to set it to sarge instead of testing. If he wants to keep it stable afterwards. |
| 17:54.38 | greycat | "basename"? no. "head"? no, couldn't do that. |
| 17:54.39 | stew | jclinton: apt-get doens't work for woody->sarge |
| 17:54.41 | ecivo | jclin, ok I'll try, thanks allot, you've been a great help |
| 17:54.47 | stew | ecivo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 17:54.58 | jclinton | stew, it doesn't |
| 17:55.05 | stew | jclinton: correct, it doesn't |
| 17:55.11 | jclinton | lol |
| 17:55.45 | Skyblaze | which package is the volume control plugin/applet for kde in sid? |
| 17:55.45 | jelly | stew: how come? I've upgraded more than one machine using apt-get. |
| 17:55.51 | elirips | hello. how can i set up xf86 in a way that i have the same content on my lcd and on the analog monitor? on the lcd with a different resolution than on the anaolg monitor? |
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| 17:56.36 | stew | jelly: apt-get can't handle the large circular dependencies. it was documented in dwn a few weeks ago, if you read the release notes for sarge it tells you to use aptitude not apt-get |
| 17:57.02 | stew | jelly: you probably had to do several rounds of apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get -f install ; |
| 17:57.14 | jclinton | ecivo, as you can see from the dpkg message, it's complicated |
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| 17:57.25 | jclinton | ecivo, the debian-install for sarge is beautiful though |
| 17:57.35 | jclinton | ecivo, it would make this job a whole lot easier |
| 17:57.43 | jelly | stew: ok. I thought it was our local packages that made it break. Solved it with apt-get install [selected packages first]; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:57.49 | stew | jclinton: its not complicated, its just exactly as you said, but use aptitude indead of apt-get |
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| 17:59.14 | jjazz_ | stew jclinton greycat: Thanks. I'm now watching House of Hidden Daggers. :) |
| 17:59.20 | jclinton | ecivo, well in any event, if that fails or you get lost, try http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:59.36 | jclinton | ecivo, it's very easy to install with that |
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| 18:00.07 | rich59 | can i download a debian, untar it on my hda2 and boot it with grub? |
| 18:00.39 | jclinton | rich59, technically, yes you could, probably not a good idea though |
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| 18:00.55 | jclinton | rich59, i also don't know where you'd get an image of a complete install |
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| 18:01.19 | rich59 | i need a minimal image in a tar file |
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| 18:01.32 | TummyAcid | if i install debian to a 650 mb partition, can i burn an image of that partition to cd-r and boot from the rc |
| 18:01.37 | rich59 | i dont have a cd in this computer |
| 18:01.40 | Skyblaze | how can i save the superkaramba themes on the desktop so at the next reboot i can find them? |
| 18:01.49 | TummyAcid | boot from the cd-r i mean |
| 18:01.54 | jclinton | rich59, i don't think that's a very good idea |
| 18:01.57 | jclinton | TummyAcid, nope |
| 18:02.03 | rich59 | the computer does not have cd |
| 18:02.05 | TummyAcid | what else would i have t o do |
| 18:02.06 | jclinton | rich59, what about netboot or floppy? |
| 18:02.24 | zulu | when I type in linux "mount -tufs -oufstype=sunx86 /dev/hda1 /rack/" I get in my dmesg: ufs_read_super: bad magic number, linux can't read Solaris 10 UFS?? |
| 18:02.31 | jclinton | TummyAcid, making a cd bootable requires a specially image of a floppy at the CD header location |
| 18:02.36 | rich59 | nor floppy, nor cd reader, only net and hdd and a unix in it |
| 18:02.52 | TummyAcid | it seemed so simple too |
| 18:02.58 | rich59 | and internet |
| 18:03.01 | jclinton | rich59, yea netboot is prolly what you want |
| 18:03.23 | EdibleText | !eltorito |
| 18:03.47 | jclinton | zulu, bad magic number means that the 'fingerprint' and that location doesn't match what you indicated that it should |
| 18:03.52 | rich59 | I hope i could download a tar file with a minimal system on it |
| 18:04.09 | rich59 | no eltorito |
| 18:04.19 | TummyAcid | jclinton: i know nero has a way to append floppy header data to a cd, would i use the root rescue image for that? |
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| 18:04.43 | TummyAcid | i mean prepend i guess |
| 18:04.49 | jclinton | TummyAcid, you could but you have to remember that a CD-R is read only |
| 18:04.56 | rich59 | eltorito is booting from cd like if you where booting from floppy, should work |
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| 18:05.16 | TummyAcid | so i would mount my test image in read-only mode after install to see if it will boot |
| 18:05.29 | jclinton | TummyAcid, it wont boot |
| 18:05.33 | TummyAcid | doh |
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| 18:05.42 | jclinton | TummyAcid, you'll need a ram disk to get beyond the initrd |
| 18:05.49 | jclinton | TummyAcid, it's really complicated |
| 18:05.54 | TummyAcid | i see |
| 18:05.57 | jclinton | TummyAcid, why don't you use something like knoppix? |
| 18:06.00 | rich59 | you make a bootable floppy, then dd it to a file, put this file in torito, best try cdrw should boot |
| 18:06.14 | stew | TummyAcid: apt-cache search bootcd |
| 18:06.18 | TummyAcid | cos no live cds ive found work with my wifi card |
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| 18:06.25 | TummyAcid | ive even got two |
| 18:06.25 | rich59 | give me my tar file |
| 18:06.39 | TummyAcid | atheros and acx100 |
| 18:06.54 | zulu | jclinton, but I'm pretty sure /dev/hda1 is a ufs sunx86!! what do you mean by fingerprint? |
| 18:07.07 | TummyAcid | its simple to install the drivers myself |
| 18:07.10 | jclinton | zulu, that's what the magic number is |
| 18:08.07 | zulu | hda1 is my only ide disk and I have only one partition on it, and with grub I'm able to boot solaris on it... |
| 18:08.14 | zulu | I can't be wrong? |
| 18:08.15 | zulu | lol :) |
| 18:08.41 | jclinton | well rich59 left so i can't solve his problem for him |
| 18:08.45 | jclinton | his loss |
| 18:09.09 | zulu | do you think magic number change from solaris version... |
| 18:09.15 | jclinton | zulu, it may |
| 18:09.24 | jclinton | zulu, type this: fdisk -p |
| 18:09.44 | jclinton | err |
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| 18:09.59 | TummyAcid | anyone know of a specific live-cd distro that supports madwifi drivers or any drivers for atheros chipset? |
| 18:10.11 | stew | jclinton: whats -p? did you mean -l? |
| 18:10.21 | jclinton | zulu, fdisk -l dev/hda |
| 18:10.33 | zulu | erfff with cfdisk I got: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk |
| 18:10.36 | zulu | yuckkk |
| 18:10.41 | stew | TummyAcid: why not make a bootable cd from your debian install? |
| 18:11.24 | TummyAcid | stew tell me where i can learn |
| 18:11.33 | stew | 13:06 < stew> TummyAcid: apt-cache search bootcd |
| 18:11.42 | TummyAcid | thanx |
| 18:11.43 | zulu | jclinton, with fdisk -l /dev/hda1 everything seems pretty normal |
| 18:11.58 | zulu | /dev/hda1 * 262 1566 10482412+ bf Solaris |
| 18:12.14 | zulu | start end blocks and system... |
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| 18:12.22 | zulu | * for boot |
| 18:13.02 | zulu | jclinton, you mount solaris ufs in linux with no pb? |
| 18:13.02 | jclinton | zulu, what happens if you do -t auto in your mount command? |
| 18:13.05 | TummyAcid | stew: since ive not even install debian since my last reformat, any tips for how i should go about a fresh install that will be made to a live cd then removed from the system? should i put it all in one 650mb partition or something? |
| 18:13.08 | jclinton | jclinton, nope |
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| 18:13.36 | zulu | you must specify filesystem type... |
| 18:13.48 | takatumi | TummyAcid: do you have the driver/modules for that wifi card? |
| 18:13.54 | TummyAcid | i can get them |
| 18:14.02 | TummyAcid | ive done it like three times in the past week |
| 18:14.15 | TummyAcid | but i keep managing to break my disk |
| 18:14.46 | jclinton | zulu, i'm going to wager a guess that that particular UFS version isn't supported |
| 18:14.46 | zulu | jclinton, I give up... thx for your time :) |
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| 18:14.48 | takatumi | TummyAcid: get sarge CD1, install base, install kernel-headers and install the drivers. |
| 18:14.52 | jclinton | zulu, ok welcome |
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| 18:15.08 | TummyAcid | takatumi: ive got sarge netinstall |
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| 18:15.15 | zulu | what do you mean by wager a guess? |
| 18:15.19 | zulu | xcuse my english... |
| 18:15.27 | zulu | you know someone who had the same pb? |
| 18:15.29 | takatumi | TummyAcid: does it have the kernel-headers? |
| 18:15.30 | DvlshThts | Anyone try the Acrobat 7.0 client? Is it actually gtk2.0? |
| 18:15.35 | DvlshThts | Anyone try the Acrobat 7.0 client? Is it actually gtk2 |
| 18:15.37 | jclinton | zulu, it means i'm guessing |
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| 18:15.43 | zulu | ok... |
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| 18:16.05 | zulu | thx for your guess.. |
| 18:16.05 | TummyAcid | im sure it can install them |
| 18:16.08 | zulu | I was thinkin I could not have anyway write support... |
| 18:16.29 | zulu | so it's an obligation for me to make a fat shit partition... |
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| 18:16.39 | jclinton | zulu, yea probably |
| 18:16.42 | stew | TummyAcid: why is it that you want to boot from a cd and not a hd in the first place? |
| 18:16.48 | zulu | fat16 I suppose... |
| 18:16.48 | zulu | Is it possible to format a fat16 partition in linux?? |
| 18:16.55 | jclinton | zulu, yea |
| 18:17.08 | jclinton | zulu, can solaris not read fat32? |
| 18:17.13 | TummyAcid | well number one ive always wanted to make my own linux-on-disc |
| 18:17.38 | takatumi | TummyAcid: first get one install done, experiment later. |
| 18:17.42 | jclinton | zulu, use mkfs.vfat |
| 18:17.55 | TummyAcid | and ive been able to reiably hose my hd somehow between getting xp pro and debian to cooperate |
| 18:18.07 | TummyAcid | so im trying a new approach |
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| 18:18.51 | stew | TummyAcid: how did you manage to hose it, we could maybe help you with that |
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| 18:19.14 | TummyAcid | ya can you get my lan party buds to start using FREE VIRUS SOFTWARE so they will stop infecting me |
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| 18:19.34 | TummyAcid | lol i had to let that out |
| 18:19.38 | stew | uhh |
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| 18:20.22 | TummyAcid | im sure i could get it to work on hd but reinstalling xp is a pain grub and i had some disagreements last time |
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| 18:21.32 | takatumi | whatever that means. |
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| 18:22.32 | jclinton | huzzah! |
| 18:22.32 | TummyAcid | alright im gonna try something new ill bbl |
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| 18:23.00 | greycat | !unlart freenode |
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| 18:24.27 | arango | Is it complicated to get a bluetooth headset working in Debian ? |
| 18:24.33 | abrotman | is it in linux? |
| 18:25.09 | asuffield | depends on what you consider 'working' really |
| 18:25.19 | greycat | !punish tcl for not having any way to make temp file names safely |
| 18:25.37 | asuffield | greycat: oh come on, that was the best you could come up with to object to in tcl? |
| 18:26.09 | greycat | asuffield: no, just the latest. |
| 18:26.10 | asuffield | greycat: how about the complete lack of anything resembling string handling, combined with the absence of anything which is not a string? |
| 18:26.53 | arango | Does Linux support bluetooth headsets ? |
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| 18:27.19 | hexxeh | i think there are alsa drivers for it, assuming your bluetooth is configured well enough to have the device be recognised |
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| 18:29.30 | abrotman | arango: ask #linux |
| 18:29.36 | shakparl | X11 Forwarding with SSH - what's the port i need open on the receiving server to receive a remote x app |
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| 18:29.44 | shakparl | 8000? |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | or google |
| 18:29.49 | stew | shakparl: none |
| 18:29.58 | shakparl | it comes in through sshd? |
| 18:30.09 | greycat | shakparl: 22 |
| 18:30.18 | Nwallins | is there a way to have apt select the fastest package repository? |
| 18:30.50 | stew | the sshd server needs to have 22 open, then the client just needs to be able to login to ssh |
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| 18:30.51 | greycat | shakparl: unless of course you're running sshd on a different port, which is perfectly valid. |
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| 18:31.06 | stew | Nwallins: apt-spy |
| 18:31.06 | green_earz | shakparl: and the remote box needs to have X forwarding enabled |
| 18:31.06 | shakparl | greycat: remote server is hp-ux with openssh, local server is debian 2.6 sarge |
| 18:31.06 | Nwallins | stew: thanks |
| 18:31.15 | greycat | shakparl: not important. |
| 18:31.15 | shakparl | green_earz: i have X11forwarding=yes on remote hp-ux box sshd config |
| 18:31.43 | greycat | !sshx |
| 18:31.43 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:32.37 | green_earz | shakparl: so ssh -X user@remote-machine |
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| 18:41.23 | greycat | !fix freenode |
| 18:42.12 | _DAVID_ | I'm about to compile a deb-package of kernel 2.6.11.3 but I got this error: |
| 18:42.13 | _DAVID_ | fs/ncpfs/dir.c:1094: error: stray '\37' in program |
| 18:42.19 | _DAVID_ | what could be wrong? |
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| 18:43.04 | greycat | _DAVID_: open it up and look. |
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| 18:43.57 | _DAVID_ | line 37 right? I have never compiled a kernel before... |
| 18:44.06 | _DAVID_ | or where should I look? |
| 18:44.11 | greycat | line 1094. |
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| 18:44.18 | _DAVID_ | aha |
| 18:44.19 | _DAVID_ | ok! |
| 18:44.19 | greycat | \37 is the character it was bitching about. |
| 18:44.20 | _DAVID_ | ;) |
| 18:44.20 | _morbid_ | is it possible to go back from a broken unstable dist to testing or stable without reinstalling the whole system? |
| 18:44.25 | _DAVID_ | ok! thx |
| 18:44.46 | greycat | which is decimal 31, or Some Ungodly Unprintable Control Character. |
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| 18:44.53 | _morbid_ | I need to read about it |
| 18:45.14 | _morbid_ | it is being very hard to restart the install in my sparc |
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| 18:45.26 | stew | _morbid_: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 18:45.38 | _morbid_ | thanks, St |
| 18:45.40 | _morbid_ | thanks, stew |
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| 18:46.17 | nvz | looking hard at binary data drives me nuts.. I was sitting here looking at a binary array representing past 20 years of voting history for everyone in my district.. and trying to figure out how to translate each binary string into something useful, telling me something useful, like an octal code maybe 4=votes presidential, 2=votes general, 1=votes primary, 0=doesnt vote.. heh |
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| 18:47.22 | tomZet | Hi, what is meant by document root? |
| 18:47.32 | nvz | I would much rather loose this whole section of data, but somehow I figure the probabilty that these people will actually be voting this year is important |
| 18:47.39 | xogon_ | hello, if i'm usning a wireless card and i can "see" several access points, and use 'iwconfig ap {HEX ADDR of AP}' but it doesn't seem to connect, what could the issue be? |
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| 18:47.44 | greycat | tomZet: grep DocumentRoot /var/www/*.conf |
| 18:47.46 | baikonur | hi |
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| 18:47.53 | greycat | oops. |
| 18:47.57 | greycat | tomZet: grep DocumentRoot /etc/apache/*.conf |
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| 18:50.01 | tomZet | greycat, doesn't work. I want to install phplist on my webpage provider. So it is the root dir of the webserver irrespective of the domain, correct? |
| 18:50.20 | greycat | what the hell do you mean "grep DocumentRoot /etc/apache/*.conf" doesn't work? |
| 18:50.22 | asg | tomZet: or your public_html dir |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | of course it works. |
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| 18:50.32 | greycat | it tells you the fucking value of the fucking variable in the fucking config file! |
| 18:50.34 | stew | tomZet: each domain should have its own document root |
| 18:50.36 | greycat | that's all you asked for. |
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| 18:51.20 | greycat | hell, that's MORE than he asked for. |
| 18:51.24 | stew | tomZet: if you have multiple domains being hosted read the documentation for phplist and see how they tell you to set it up for virtual hosting |
| 18:51.36 | baikonur | I'm using Debian sid, Firefox 1.0.1, CUPS and xprt-xprintorg but printing does not work directly out of firefox, but it is possible to print to file and then lp mozilla.ps though. Printing worked for some time ago for a short period of time but after some upgrades it stopped again. I read through the xprint documentation but couldn't find anything helpful. Any hints how to debug or solve this problem? |
| 18:51.48 | tomZet | greycat, I do not have ssh access. On my machine I get No such file or directory |
| 18:51.51 | asg | baikonur: check the bts |
| 18:52.06 | greycat | tomZet: then you have no business asking such a question. Begone. |
| 18:52.10 | greycat | tomZet: ask your admin. |
| 18:52.24 | stew | tomZet: are you asking apache2? |
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| 18:52.32 | _sadrack_ | Is there any channel do talk about cups? |
| 18:52.35 | tomZet | stew, ah, ok I see. |
| 18:52.38 | asg | _sadrack_: no |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | stew: he's not even the fucking web administrator. He can't *use* any knowledge we cram into his brain. |
| 18:53.02 | tomZet | greycat, how friendly of you |
| 18:53.14 | helix | cram harder |
| 18:53.21 | jclinton | baikonur, i highly recommnd selecting your printer from the list of printers and then selecting configure... in the print command entra area change the stuff that says "lpr...." to say "kprinter" |
| 18:53.27 | _sadrack_ | somebody can help me? |
| 18:53.31 | jclinton | baikonur, that will probably fix it |
| 18:53.35 | greycat | list #cups |
| 18:53.40 | greycat | damn it. |
| 18:53.41 | stew | tomZet: seems that he's probably correct, if there is an administrator that is not you, you should talk to them not us |
| 18:53.44 | baikonur | asg: I don't think it is a current problem with a packet, but some configuration issue. It hasn't work since ... I don't know |
| 18:53.48 | helix | hmm, chili-- # hurts my tummy :( |
| 18:54.04 | greycat | helix: too spicy? |
| 18:54.11 | helix | a little, maybe |
| 18:54.14 | asg | baikonur: ...after some upgrades it stopped again.... (sounds like a package bug to me) |
| 18:54.14 | _sadrack_ | i'm there but ... |
| 18:54.15 | stew | helix: oooh making me hungry, i made chili last night thats waiting for me for tonights dinner |
| 18:54.28 | helix | it was good for a while |
| 18:54.57 | posmut | no chili, no coke, no beer :) |
| 18:55.10 | tomZet | stew, I thought that I might get a hint where to look for a solution. |
| 18:55.15 | tomZet | bye |
| 18:55.22 | greycat | we gave him "hints". |
| 18:55.27 | baikonur | jclinton: lp mozilla.ps works but lp ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} does not. Thats the configuration entry for PostScript/... |
| 18:55.32 | stew | pretty decent ones |
| 18:55.36 | helix | gross |
| 18:55.50 | jclinton | baikonur, yea, so use my suggestion |
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| 18:57.02 | jclinton | baikonur, just "kprinter" all by itself in that box |
| 18:57.11 | baikonur | jclinton: only "lp" seems to work |
| 18:57.23 | jclinton | baikonur, do you have kde installed? |
| 18:57.24 | baikonur | jclinton: well, I don't use kprinter |
| 18:57.47 | jclinton | baikonur, i'm saying that you should |
| 18:58.44 | jclinton | baikonur, that's until firefox integrates w/ gnome's printing system |
| 18:59.00 | baikonur | jclinton: and I don't use KDE either, I'm using an old computer that cannot deal with KDE |
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| 18:59.26 | jclinton | baikonur, install kdelibs and kdebase, that's all you need |
| 18:59.51 | grivell | baikonur: CPU / Ram ? |
| 19:00.04 | jclinton | grivell, he's using mozilla firefox |
| 19:00.15 | ningo | http://pazeme.lv/hilarious/ |
| 19:00.15 | jclinton | there's nothing to be concerned about |
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| 19:00.43 | grivell | jclinton: Doesn't mean much. KDE is a lot of baggage to load on top of it :) |
| 19:01.06 | jclinton | grivell, he's not loading all of KDE, only the kprinter dialog box |
| 19:01.11 | jclinton | <5.0 mb of ram required |
| 19:01.22 | jclinton | firefox uses between 50 and 100 on average |
| 19:01.24 | baikonur | jclinton: I have also an entry in the Printer list that's called lp@:64, and according to what I've read about xprint that should be the appropriate printer, do you know anything about that? |
| 19:01.35 | grivell | jclinton: Which should load all of kde's libs. |
| 19:01.42 | jclinton | baikonur, i've given you the solution to your problem |
| 19:01.48 | baikonur | jclinton: okay, I'll give it a try |
| 19:02.11 | jclinton | grivell, yea, and all of the needed ones amount to less than 5 mb of memory consuption |
| 19:02.18 | baikonur | jclinton: but in my opinion that's an alternative not a solution for my problem because it should work with the software installed |
| 19:02.47 | jclinton | baikonur, yea, i agree ... that complaint should be filed at bugs.mozilla.org |
| 19:03.02 | jclinton | baikonur, linux is a second class citizen with the mozilla project |
| 19:03.21 | CAiRO | how can i resize .gif images from command line? convert seems to ignore the -size parameter for gif files (it works perfectly for jpegs) |
| 19:03.28 | greycat | jclinton: hah. you ain't seen nothing yet. try HP-UX for mozilla. |
| 19:03.44 | jclinton | greycat, that would make HP-UX a third class citizen |
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| 19:05.01 | baikonur | jclinton: I don't know if it is a bug or a configuration problem, but I can't find any information about it in the logs. If I use lp@:64 then there is CPU load as if it was printing but there is no printing going on |
| 19:05.23 | jclinton | baikonur, yea, happens to me too |
| 19:05.30 | jclinton | baikonur, i think it's mozilla's problem |
| 19:05.31 | baikonur | jclinton: kprinter is part of kdebase? |
| 19:05.39 | jclinton | baikonur, i'll confirm that right now |
| 19:06.00 | grivell | Nope |
| 19:06.11 | grivell | apt-get install kde-print |
| 19:06.16 | stew | !depends kdebase |
| 19:06.19 | dpkg | kdebase: depends on kappfinder (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kate (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kcontrol (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdebase-data (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdebase-kio-plugins (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdepasswd (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdeprint (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kdesktop (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kfind (>= 4:3.3.2-1), khelpcenter (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kicker (>= 4:3.3.2-1), klipper (>= 4:3.3.2-1), kmenuedit (>= 4:3.3.2-1), konqueror-nsplugins (>= 4:3.3.2-1), konqueror (>= 4:3.3.2-1), ... |
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| 19:06.33 | stew | depends on kdeprint |
| 19:06.41 | grivell | doh, missed it ;) |
| 19:06.52 | jclinton | baikonur, the package that you want to install is "kdeprint" |
| 19:07.02 | grigora | anyone knows which package provides ps2pdf? |
| 19:07.02 | jclinton | !depends kdeprint |
| 19:07.05 | jharrisonwk | what is kiddie challenge |
| 19:07.05 | dpkg | kdeprint: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfam0c102, libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), enscript, poster, psutils |
| 19:07.23 | jharrisonwk | some script kiddies up to no good? |
| 19:07.31 | jclinton | so all you're sucking in is kdelibs |
| 19:07.35 | jclinton | not the rest of kde |
| 19:07.52 | baikonur | jclinton: they are already installed :-) |
| 19:08.00 | mrhemlock | script kiddies can do good ? |
| 19:08.10 | jclinton | baikonur, i though you said you didn't wan to install kde? |
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| 19:09.16 | baikonur | jclinton: yes, I don't want to use KDE but some apps that depend on these libraries |
| 19:09.35 | baikonur | jclinton: what did you want to confirm? (above) |
| 19:09.48 | jharrisonwk | lilo: hey you there |
| 19:09.49 | grivell | !cut script kiddie testicles |
| 19:09.54 | jclinton | ok now i'm confused |
| 19:10.11 | grigora | anyone knows which package provides ps2pdf? |
| 19:10.17 | greycat | grigora: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:10.47 | grigora | greycat: apt-cache search ps2pdf returns nothing, hence the question |
| 19:11.10 | stew | grigora: what other methods from /msg dpkg search did you try? |
| 19:11.31 | jepel_tailweaver | I've been looking for pdf2ps, strangely enough. It's supposedly in Ghostscript |
| 19:11.48 | baikonur | jclinton: library files for "kdeprint_lpd." not found in paths? |
| 19:12.17 | jclinton | baikonur, whta? |
| 19:12.21 | grigora | greycat: stew: I also tried searching on packages.debian.org |
| 19:12.39 | bizarro_paco | I am trying to install my wpc54g linksys wireless card using ndiswrapper, but i cannot get my laptop to detect my card, even though I have the pcmcia-cs installed. |
| 19:12.57 | stew | grigora: cool, i assume you found it then |
| 19:13.27 | grivell | bizarro_paco: That is prism54 chipset? Why not use Kernel's driver? |
| 19:13.46 | baikonur | jclinton: this is the error message I get from kprinter |
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| 19:14.08 | infodroid | ps2pdf is in gs-common |
| 19:14.13 | jclinton | baikonur, past the error message |
| 19:14.15 | greycat | grigora: funny that. dpkg finds it for me quite nicely. I don't think you tried very hard. |
| 19:14.19 | jclinton | paste* |
| 19:14.23 | greycat | infodroid: Pbbbbt, spoilsport. |
| 19:14.30 | stew | grigora: as does p.d.o |
| 19:14.36 | infodroid | greycat: tell whoever it is to learn dpkg -S |
| 19:14.39 | jclinton | greycat, don't be an ass |
| 19:14.42 | grigora | stew: what's pdo? |
| 19:14.45 | greycat | infodroid: that only works if he already has the file |
| 19:14.49 | stew | grigora: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ps2pdf |
| 19:14.58 | greycat | jclinton: ok, YOU answer all the newbie questions then. |
| 19:15.08 | jclinton | that was not a newbie question |
| 19:15.10 | greycat | OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER because they refuse to learn HOW to learn. |
| 19:15.10 | baikonur | jclinton: "library files for "kdeprint_lpd." not found in paths" :-) |
| 19:15.17 | stew | jclinton: yes it was |
| 19:15.20 | jclinton | greycat, if you don't like their question then STFU |
| 19:15.21 | bizarro_paco | grivell, i believe that is broadcom |
| 19:15.22 | greycat | jclinton: bullshit. it's answered in "/msg dpkg search". |
| 19:15.30 | grigora | stew: that works |
| 19:15.40 | jclinton | greycat, you idiot, it only works if he already has it installed! |
| 19:15.41 | baikonur | jclinton: http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/12/msg00408.html |
| 19:15.54 | greycat | jclinton: I think you meant to address that to infodroid. |
| 19:15.56 | bizarro_paco | grivell, are you familiar with ndiswrapper? |
| 19:16.17 | grigora | greycat: /msg dpkg find ps2pdf works as well, i must have missed that trick |
| 19:16.27 | jclinton | "greycat grigora: /msg dpkg search" |
| 19:16.50 | greycat | jclinton: yes, and? |
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| 19:17.16 | stew | jclinton: there were at least 3 ways in that factoid that would have found this for him |
| 19:17.30 | infodroid | stew: i concur |
| 19:17.39 | greycat | stew: is it possible that jclinton thinks "/msg dpkg search" is NOT a command sent to the bot? |
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| 19:17.50 | greycat | that he thinks it's a dpkg(8) command? |
| 19:18.01 | stew | who knows |
| 19:18.25 | stew | greycat: if he thinks that the original question was not a newbie question then that probably says a lot |
| 19:18.55 | grivell | bizarro_paco: No, no idea on ndiswrapper. |
| 19:18.59 | jclinton | that makes both of you asses |
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| 19:19.11 | bizarro_paco | grivell, you are lucky...LOL |
| 19:19.11 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 19:19.33 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: I've fiddled with it a bit, what's the issue? |
| 19:19.34 | stew | jclinton: if giving sound advice makes us asses, then yeah, we're big asses |
| 19:20.10 | grivell | !start a hissy fit |
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| 19:20.14 | grivell | :) |
| 19:20.25 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, the issue right now is that i cannot get my laptop to detect the presence of the card, even though i have the pcmcia package installed |
| 19:20.34 | stew | asg: are you hitting on me? :P |
| 19:20.48 | asg | stew: and they say only opposites attract :) |
| 19:20.59 | helix | ooh, hot man-on-man action |
| 19:21.20 | asg | helix: and just when the chili burn had subsided ... |
| 19:21.25 | helix | haha |
| 19:21.28 | helix | it's still there :/ |
| 19:21.29 | sussudio | http://badgercam.webhop.org/ < hot badger and fox action |
| 19:21.29 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: after you install ndiswrapper, you need to install the winderz driver with ./ndiswrapper -i [filename] - have you done that? |
| 19:21.35 | sussudio | asg: they're eating _together_ |
| 19:21.43 | asg | helix: spray some sugar water on your tongue |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | sussudio: fight!!!! |
| 19:21.51 | helix | what's that gonna do? |
| 19:22.00 | asg | helix: take the heat away more or less |
| 19:22.05 | helix | but my tongue doesn't hurt |
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| 19:22.11 | asg | helix: oh, tummy issue. |
| 19:22.14 | helix | ya |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | helix: milk |
| 19:22.20 | abrotman | oh wait .. nevermind |
| 19:22.23 | greycat | milk != vegan |
| 19:22.25 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, no not yet, BUT, shouldn't the computer detect the card at least? it doesn't even show up when i go "lspci." |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | i know that |
| 19:22.27 | greycat | I'd try crackers |
| 19:22.29 | grivell | Ah I'm blind! |
| 19:22.37 | asg | or bread |
| 19:22.40 | abrotman | butter |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | not vega |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | n |
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| 19:22.59 | abrotman | unless helix has vegan bread |
| 19:23.03 | asg | woah, vmstat shows 40 in the b collumn (/me investigates) |
| 19:23.07 | greycat | I'm sure she must. |
| 19:23.09 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: the ndiswrapper 'wrapper' won't load into the kernel unless it has a driver to load... |
| 19:23.16 | abrotman | how about 3 glasses of water? |
| 19:23.17 | baikonur | jclinton: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=5020&1 the second last answer solves my problem |
| 19:23.37 | baikonur | jclinton: though this should work out of the box, imho |
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| 19:23.48 | helix | I don't have any bread |
| 19:24.04 | greycat | helix: I couldn't live like that. |
| 19:24.08 | wd8jmm | biz: after you load the driver, then modprobe ndiswrapper and do iwconfig... should show up |
| 19:24.09 | asg | abrotman: bread usages doesn't imply butter |
| 19:24.22 | helix | well, I never eat bread... |
| 19:24.32 | helix | maybe sometimes pita bread with hummus, but in general I don't care for it |
| 19:24.47 | greycat | more for me! MWAhahaha! |
| 19:25.07 | asg | !hug bread |
| 19:25.18 | stew | don't you'll squish it |
| 19:25.35 | asg | stew: tastes the same when you dip it HP sauce. |
| 19:25.44 | jclinton | baikonur, then file a bug with KDE don't compaign here |
| 19:25.59 | stew | hp? |
| 19:26.13 | asg | stew: english brown sauce |
| 19:26.14 | greycat | apparently some regional condiment |
| 19:26.17 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, okay..another issue is this: do i have to have my kernel source as well as the image? i mean, is it bad if i have the kernel headers AS WELL as the source? |
| 19:26.31 | hexxeh | bizarro_paco, you don't NEED both |
| 19:26.40 | asg | stew: often likened to A1 in the states but there is something subtly different and better about it. |
| 19:26.45 | infodroid | baikonur: it would work if you set up your printer through KDE |
| 19:26.53 | baikonur | jclinton: okay okay, but please don't insult me for saying that here, thanks |
| 19:27.05 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: you need the headers to build ndiswrapper, but if you've got the source files it won't hurt anything |
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| 19:27.19 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, okay |
| 19:27.20 | jclinton | baikonur, i haven't insulted you yet but your arrogance is getting me close to wanting to do so |
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| 19:28.08 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, i have tried ndis wrapper 10 times, and i am trying it again, and whenever i install my driver with ndiswrapper -i, it says "driver installed," BUT NOT "hardware present" as it should. |
| 19:28.37 | baikonur | jclinton: well, then take a walk or do something relaxing |
| 19:28.59 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: then it's either a: not the correct driver or b: you need PCMCIA support and it's not in the kernel |
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| 19:29.52 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, so i need to compile my kernel? |
| 19:30.01 | green_earz | bizarro_paco: did you use the sarge installer ? |
| 19:30.05 | grivell | jclinton: Calm down, have a beer. |
| 19:30.05 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:30.06 | baikonur | infodroid: it should import the CUPS settings, and it also does but only after switching to another print system and back again. I don't think that's correct |
| 19:30.15 | bizarro_paco | green_earz, yes i did |
| 19:30.28 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, i am using the sarge default 2.4.27 |
| 19:30.32 | grivell | !beer jclinton |
| 19:30.35 | infodroid | baikonur: according to my last experience, you can set up your CUPS printer through KDE's control panel |
| 19:30.46 | infodroid | baikonur: as in, *add new printer* |
| 19:30.47 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, but i upgraded to the 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:31.23 | green_earz | bizarro_paco: did you choose to emable PCMCIA support while installing ? |
| 19:31.25 | baikonur | infodroid: okay, but the situation was that I already had the printer configured and then installed kdeprint |
| 19:32.26 | bizarro_paco | green_earz, yes i did |
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| 19:33.00 | bizarro_paco | green_earz, is there anyway i can verify my kernel still does support pcmcia? |
| 19:33.07 | infodroid | baikonur: well it makes sense- if you configure your CUPS printer through KDE, it works. if you don't, then you got to tell KDE about it. |
| 19:33.28 | baikonur | jclinton: fyi, "thanks" referred to your help, so despite of your inflammableness thank you for your help! |
| 19:33.36 | green_earz | bizarro_paco: run a copy of knoppix on the machine and see if you can lspci what you want |
| 19:33.48 | stew | blitznl: grep PCMCIA /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:33.56 | stew | bizarro_paco: ^^^ |
| 19:34.34 | baikonur | infodroid: yeah, but that's a quite unusal why to tell it KDE. moreover the error message isn't very informative but okay |
| 19:35.05 | bizarro_paco | (stew): what output am I looking for? |
| 19:35.27 | baikonur | s/why/way |
| 19:35.29 | bizarro_paco | green_earz, knoppix, eh? |
| 19:35.52 | stew | CONFIG_PCMCIA= (y|m) |
| 19:35.52 | stew | that would tell you if your kernel supports pcmcia |
| 19:37.12 | stew | bizarro_paco: if you installed a kernel-image via apt-get then pcmcia will certainly be supported |
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| 19:37.38 | bizarro_paco | stew, yes i did..i did the apt-get install kernel-image 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:38.21 | stew | bizarro_paco: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:39.00 | stew | oh prism54? grep PRISM54 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:39.23 | stew | i don't remember if prism54 is suppoerted in 2.4 or not, it definately would be supported in a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:39.23 | wd8jmm | stew: he's tryin to use ndiswrapper |
| 19:39.27 | stew | why? |
| 19:39.41 | stew | bizarro_paco: have you tried "modprobe prism54"? |
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| 19:40.37 | bizarro_paco | stew, i have a broadcom chipset |
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| 19:41.21 | bizarro_paco | stew, i am trying tuse ndiswrapper because my linksys wpc54g card isn't supported by linux |
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| 19:42.07 | grivell | stew: My bad, his card is broadcom. |
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| 19:42.50 | abrotman | bizarro_paco: return it for a full refund |
| 19:42.52 | grivell | bizarro_paco: Why did you get a Broadcom card? Plenty of cheap prism54 compat cards. Even prism2_usb dongles. |
| 19:44.28 | bizarro_paco | grivell, i purcahsed the card prior to my seeing the LIGHT |
| 19:44.36 | stew | heh |
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| 19:45.00 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: have you looked at dmesg to see if the card is detected at boot? |
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| 19:45.38 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, what do i do? just type dmesg at root? |
| 19:45.48 | wd8jmm | do dmesg | less |
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| 19:46.16 | wd8jmm | and look at the messages to see if the card is recognized |
| 19:47.07 | baikonur | grivell: could you recommend a cheap but working prism2 and prism54 card? |
| 19:47.13 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, should i be looking for something like "linksys wpc54g"? |
| 19:47.17 | abrotman | he sees the LIGHT! .. don't confuse that with *darkness* |
| 19:47.40 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: probably not - if it's recognized it'll mention a cardbus device or possibly the chipset |
| 19:48.15 | grivell | baikonur: Netgear WG511 (prism54), DLink DWP-122 (usb prism2) |
| 19:48.32 | grivell | baikonur: err DWL-122 I mean |
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| 19:50.28 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, in the webpage 'arthur's wpc54g homepage, he has the same card, and when he does lspci, his output says wpc54g. shouldnt mine say the same? |
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| 19:51.14 | baikonur | grivell: I own a Netgear MA401 prism2 PCMCIA card. It works fine but I always have to enable the card via a script like http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=245153#245153 Do you know how can I let it work automatically? |
| 19:51.25 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: probably, but that's lspci... not the same thing. I'm still trying to determine whether or not you have PCMCIA in the kernel |
| 19:52.01 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, are you fellas going to be online for a little while? |
| 19:52.19 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, gotta travel home to try this out |
| 19:52.20 | wd8jmm | bizarro_paco: I can be - you can /msg if you like |
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| 19:52.47 | bizarro_paco | wd8jmm, thx |
| 19:52.59 | baikonur | grivell: it does not work the debian way via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:54.30 | grivell | baikonur: It will work that way perfectly. You just need to follow the docs. /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 19:54.39 | grivell | baikonur: readme.debian |
| 19:55.12 | asg | grivell: and wireless(8) |
| 19:55.33 | stew | baikonur: you can setup wlan-ng in /etc/wlan-ng and then the /etc/init.d/wlan script will setup the card correctly |
| 19:55.33 | asg | grivell: or rather wireless(7) |
| 19:55.36 | grivell | asg: ahh yes |
| 19:56.15 | hogmeat | what's the best way to find the appropriate device driver based on the hardware i have running in my system? |
| 19:56.28 | stouset | hogmeat: hotplug? |
| 19:56.29 | asg | hogmeat: dmesg, lspci, google. |
| 19:56.36 | wd8jmm | that's a pretty damn generic question |
| 19:56.42 | greycat | hogmeat: install sarge. |
| 19:56.55 | hogmeat | graycat: im running sarge |
| 19:57.06 | greycat | hogmeat: boot. sit back. watch the fun. |
| 19:57.12 | grivell | asg: Still prefer the readme.debian ;) |
| 19:57.21 | baikonur | stew: does not work either and I can't find the error |
| 19:57.24 | hogmeat | graycat: heh |
| 19:57.32 | asg | grivell: whichever works |
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| 19:59.38 | OrionBerlin | Hat wer einen lexmark drucker unter Linux Debian am laufen? |
| 19:59.43 | greycat | !de |
| 19:59.44 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:00.12 | stew | hogmeat: for a desktop or a server? are you running woody or sarge now? |
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| 20:01.08 | baikonur | grivell: do you use a pre-packaged linux-wlan-ng version or did you downloaded it and compiled it yourself from www.linux-wlan.org? |
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| 20:03.23 | grivell | baikonur: Downloaded from wlan-ng's ftp. They are the only place to get modules on 2.6.x working that I know of. |
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| 20:05.06 | doublehp | I have done modprobe something, and the process of modprobe is locked ... apart from rebooting, is there a way to unlock the stuff ? |
| 20:05.07 | baikonur | grivell: then it isn't the source of the package. do you have an idea where to start looking for the error? |
| 20:05.20 | grivell | baikonur: Wait, I'm not following well. You have a prism2 or prism54? prism54 is in the kernel. prism2 (usb, pci, etc) is wlan-ng. |
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| 20:06.06 | grivell | baikonur: Ok, scrolled back and read. I gave you wrong place for docs :) |
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| 20:06.17 | greycat | doublehp: sounds like a hardware failure. |
| 20:06.21 | greycat | soulreaper: or a driver bug |
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| 20:06.28 | greycat | damn fingers. |
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| 20:06.45 | doublehp | greycat: hmmm it is about pcmcia .... I could restart the daemon 10 times, but the 11th one it hangs :/ |
| 20:06.53 | Ftroop | got the nvidia drivers working on sarge but i cant hear sound in any games running 3d?? any ideas please |
| 20:06.54 | baikonur | grivell: I have prism2 card, netgear ma401, we could start a query? |
| 20:06.57 | doublehp | greycat: restartED |
| 20:07.15 | doublehp | baikonur: oh .... I have one :) wonderfull card :) |
| 20:07.18 | greycat | doublehp: what's the "ps auxw" output for that process? |
| 20:07.24 | grivell | baikonur: /usr/share/doc/linux-wlan-ng/README.Debian.gz (install the Debian version, then overwrite it with source). |
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| 20:07.36 | grivell | baikonur: query yes |
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| 20:07.50 | doublehp | baikonur: any trouble with that card ? |
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| 20:08.20 | doublehp | greycat: : |
| 20:08.20 | doublehp | root 26377 0.0 0.4 2152 1212 pts/1 D+ 19:56 0:00 modprobe yenta_socket |
| 20:08.20 | doublehp | root 26502 0.0 0.6 2444 1516 ? D 19:56 0:00 /sbin/modprobe -s -q via-ircc |
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| 20:08.35 | greycat | doublehp: if it doesn't unhang itself in 5 minutes, you'll probably have to reboot. |
| 20:08.55 | greycat | (if your clock is set right, it's been at least 12 already) |
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| 20:09.23 | doublehp | baikonur: in fact the MA401 is upported by at least 3 drivers ... depending on what you wanna do with it :) Orinoco/Hermes is included inside ordinary kernel, but I recommend to use hostap driver and daemon. |
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| 20:09.46 | MobyTurbo | I had a lot of trouble connecting to freenode, most of the servers resolved to 127.0.0.1 except for irc.linux.org. Is this my ISP, my own setup, or Freenode? |
| 20:09.51 | Breeder | hi, i'm searching for an application to record some tv programs with my tv card (using bttv module). |
| 20:09.53 | alindeman | freenode.net/faq.shtml#loopback |
| 20:10.05 | Breeder | MobyTurbo: same problem here too |
| 20:10.18 | Ftroop | dosnt vdr do it? |
| 20:10.26 | baikonur | doublehp: yes, it cannot be configured automatically |
| 20:10.32 | grivell | doublehp: Does hostap support usb dongles? |
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| 20:10.55 | greycat | !nevermore |
| 20:10.55 | dpkg | hmm... nevermore is godly also, but too short |
| 20:11.02 | doublehp | grivell: no clue. But it supports very well PCI and PCMCIA Prism 2 2.5 and 3.0 |
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| 20:11.43 | baikonur | doublehp: I currently use the wlan-ng driver |
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| 20:11.50 | Ftroop | Breeder dosnt vdr record proggys to hd? |
| 20:11.56 | Breeder | Ftroop: i dont have a dvb card |
| 20:12.01 | chealer | Ftroop: using kde? |
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| 20:12.13 | Ftroop | yup |
| 20:12.15 | doublehp | baikonur: not the best one. |
| 20:12.25 | Ftroop | Okay |
| 20:12.26 | deejoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.26 | deejoe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.39 | chealer | Ftroop: which game? |
| 20:12.58 | doublehp | baikonur: I recommend you use at least the orinoco/hermes driver included in actual kernels , or better install hostap stuff to get full functionalities of your wonderfull card. |
| 20:13.00 | Ftroop | any tuxracer foobillard etc |
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| 20:13.16 | chealer | Ftroop: do you know if you're using arts? |
| 20:13.27 | Ftroop | alsa |
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| 20:13.48 | Ftroop | with emu10k audigy 2 |
| 20:13.57 | indes | cafuego, remember a couple days ago? I wanted to take over a slackware install? |
| 20:13.58 | chealer | it's not the same |
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| 20:14.02 | indes | I attepted today and I got hella debconf not existing |
| 20:14.06 | doublehp | grivell: rgrep USB in the sourcetree returns nothing, but you should double check on the websites ... |
| 20:14.07 | Escipion | hi |
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| 20:14.26 | Ftroop | its alsa i use the alsa mixer |
| 20:14.33 | chealer | Ftroop: I would have said to check that you don't have any other sound-using application running, but IIRC emu10k support multiple sound sources |
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| 20:14.48 | paulswm | Well that was exciting |
| 20:14.56 | wd8jmm | chealer: not with alsa |
| 20:15.05 | doublehp | greycat: sleep 300 over :( and process not dead :( |
| 20:15.07 | Escipion | When I do an "ls -l" ... the time shown next to every filename it's the last time that file was modified ? |
| 20:15.13 | chealer | wd8jmm: so with OSS? |
| 20:15.33 | greycat | doublehp: nothing you can do, then. check dmesg for any warnins, errors or philosophical insights. |
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| 20:15.47 | chealer | Ftroop: would a multimedia player work for example? |
| 20:15.52 | wd8jmm | chealer: the only thing I know supports multiple sources simultaneously is esd |
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| 20:16.21 | Ftroop | Yeah totem plays dvd plus amorok plays mp3 |
| 20:16.35 | grivell | doublehp: ah. Yeah, figures. Shame more people don't like usb wifi ;) |
| 20:16.41 | Ftroop | just the games ??? |
| 20:16.41 | chealer | wd8jmm: I heard that one soundcard or soundcard family supported it (emu10k I believe) |
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| 20:16.54 | wd8jmm | hmm.. might could be, I guess |
| 20:17.00 | valdyn_ | chealer: id think it does, i have a cheap on board one and it does |
| 20:17.05 | chealer | Ftroop: and juk? |
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| 20:17.16 | Ftroop | havnt tried juk |
| 20:17.21 | valdyn_ | snd_via82xx does |
| 20:17.21 | chealer | valdyn_: despite using alsa? |
| 20:17.40 | chealer | Ftroop: I suggest trying it, because amarok can use several output engines |
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| 20:17.43 | grivell | Ftroop: Try Amarok (with xine engine) |
| 20:17.46 | valdyn_ | no - only driver supporting mc on this is alsa afaik and *maybe* commercial version of oss |
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| 20:17.51 | cureless | go amarok |
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| 20:18.25 | doublehp | greycat: just an insult about IRdA which I never configured ... :/ lets leboot |
| 20:18.26 | Ftroop | having trouble with the xine engine on amorok and xine ui for some reason |
| 20:18.29 | jetscreamer | has gnome 2.10 has not been packaged yet? |
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| 20:18.37 | chealer | jetscreamer: topic? |
| 20:18.43 | cureless | jethro: /topic |
| 20:18.48 | cureless | whops, |
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| 20:18.49 | wd8jmm | yeesh |
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| 20:19.04 | indes | mplayer. period ;-) |
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| 20:19.33 | Ftroop | totem works fine tho |
| 20:19.43 | chealer | I don't know why people are so worried about gnome, I think KDE packaging takes way more time. 3.3 wasn't packaged before 3.3.1 (in sid) |
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| 20:20.25 | chealer | was it decided that gnome 2.10 would go in sarge anyway? |
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| 20:20.30 | greycat | I don't know why anyone cares. |
| 20:20.39 | Ftroop | Laughing Out Loud |
| 20:21.07 | wd8jmm | greycat: bitchx from a CLI doesn't really mind which wm you're using, eh? |
| 20:21.24 | greycat | bitchx?! Sacrilege! |
| 20:21.27 | Darien | bitchx sucks |
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| 20:21.32 | Darien | irssi-text |
| 20:21.33 | abrotman | chealer: does it really matter? .. what has changed? |
| 20:21.36 | wd8jmm | hehe |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | other than bug fixes |
| 20:21.39 | chealer | valdyn_: by mc you mean multiple channels, right? |
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| 20:21.49 | smcavoy | anyone know if the php4 included with testing can be altered to have mail() function like it does on win32? I have apache in a chroot and need to be able to sendmail, which it seems I would have to put a copy of exim in the apache chroot... |
| 20:21.50 | greycat | fvwm -> rxvt -> screen -> ssh tunnelled irssi |
| 20:21.59 | chealer | abrotman: I have no idea...I use KDE only. thinking about uninstalling gnome |
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| 20:22.22 | wd8jmm | haven't used irssi in years.. maybe I should look at it again |
| 20:22.32 | Ftroop | i really dont like gnome ..each to there own tho i suppose |
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| 20:23.06 | Ftroop | He He He |
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| 20:23.07 | sigmundk | Hi. |
| 20:23.09 | indes | go fluxbox! |
| 20:23.10 | indes | :-p |
| 20:23.24 | grivell | !start a wm war |
| 20:23.24 | dpkg | fvwm95 makes me vomit! |
| 20:23.30 | indes | me too! |
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| 20:23.43 | valdyn_ | chealer: yea, precisely the soundcards hardware multichannel, alsa supports multiple software channels too |
| 20:23.47 | wpg_guard | Would anyone have a few moments to help me out with an OSS sound issue (troubleshoot why the driver doesn't seem to be working)? |
| 20:23.54 | fishhead | yeah fvwm95 = CANUCKED |
| 20:24.00 | indes | wd8jmm, doesn't mean it doesn't make me vomit |
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| 20:24.06 | chealer | valdyn_: but using arts you can't? |
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| 20:24.16 | valdyn_ | chealer: sure i could |
| 20:24.18 | stew | fishhead: sarge will run on a pentium classic with 32 megs of ram |
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| 20:24.29 | stew | fishhead: and of course woody does |
| 20:24.31 | fishhead | stew I mean with a usable gui |
| 20:24.33 | indes | pentium classic? |
| 20:24.34 | fishhead | and web |
| 20:24.36 | indes | classic? |
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| 20:24.50 | groton | hello all. im trying to create a bootable cd to instal debian. i downloaded a cd debian image from bittorrent, burnt a cd, but it does not boot correclty. do i need to set something when i burn the cd? |
| 20:25.12 | indes | groton, you have to write the CD as an image, not a file to a data CD |
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| 20:25.21 | sigmundk | I'm looking for a page on how to configure my 11g 3com officeconnect USB adapter. I've already checked a few sites. As a bynote, Debian is way easier to install today than it was the last time I tried it out. |
| 20:25.30 | Ftroop | are you using windows at the mo? |
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| 20:26.06 | groton | indes: well, i havent did that :) |
| 20:26.19 | Ftroop | groton you using windows at the mo? |
| 20:26.23 | groton | indes: the content od the cd is not a looong .iso file :) |
| 20:26.26 | groton | Ftroop: yeah |
| 20:26.28 | sigmundk | No. I'm using linux - I've got an extra ethernet PCI adapter that I'm using right now. |
| 20:26.28 | directhex | groton, how exactly did you burn it? |
| 20:26.38 | chealer | valdyn_: so you think it's not normal Ftroop couldn't? |
| 20:26.41 | indes | groton, wouldn't be the first time I've seen it |
| 20:26.45 | groton | directhex: i used burnitatonce without setting anything particular |
| 20:26.50 | indes | or the fifth.. |
| 20:26.57 | Ftroop | nero prolly easiest if you have it |
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| 20:27.06 | directhex | indes, the other one is winrar being associated with .iso, so people extract the iso then burn the files, minsues the cd boot sector |
| 20:27.20 | indes | directhex, lol, haven't encountered that one, |
| 20:27.25 | Ftroop | Laughing Out Loud |
| 20:27.25 | indes | people and their file associations.. lol |
| 20:27.29 | groton | Ftroop: i burnt also a cd with nero (i created a bootable cd), but with no luck |
| 20:27.36 | wpg_guard | If your sound card is supposedly working, should you be able to do a "cat /dev/dsp > test" and have something get put in the "test" file? |
| 20:27.44 | indes | groton, perhaps your bios has to be fixed to boot CDs before disks? |
| 20:27.52 | directhex | groton, when you say you created a bootable cd... |
| 20:28.00 | wd8jmm | wpg_guard: has to be processing something at the time |
| 20:28.01 | Ftroop | you need to burn the image as an image not as a data file with bootable propertiies |
| 20:28.02 | groton | indes: when it start it tryes for first the boot by cd, but it fails |
| 20:28.07 | directhex | groton, what is the EXACT procedure you've taken? when you have a .iso file, what next? |
| 20:28.14 | wpg_guard | wd8jmm: Can you clarify? |
| 20:28.30 | wd8jmm | wpg_guard: what are you looking to find out, exactly? |
| 20:28.33 | indes | wpg_guard, depends |
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| 20:28.40 | chealer | wpg_guard: you must be playing some sound |
| 20:28.47 | indes | wpg_guard, check your volume controls |
| 20:28.53 | indes | (software) |
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| 20:29.05 | groton | directhex: using burnatonce i just open the .iso and then i write it. With nero i created a "bootable cd", selected the .iso file as the cd image, and then burtn it. the result is that the boot from cd is failing and it starts from hd |
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| 20:29.09 | directhex | wpg_guard, a better test is cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:29.11 | wpg_guard | Basically, I'd like to record audio from the line-in. |
| 20:29.27 | directhex | groton, in nero, file, burn image. |
| 20:29.28 | wpg_guard | directhex: okay. That sounds sane enough. |
| 20:29.31 | indes | groton, you described a data CD with a bootable track to me from nero |
| 20:29.35 | Ftroop | the image file is exactly what it says it is you just need to point nero at the image with the correct setting ,use a wizard if your not sure and look for burn image |
| 20:29.39 | indes | which is what I initally asked you |
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| 20:30.25 | indes | can you see the files on the CD in windows? |
| 20:30.33 | indes | should windows read that? lol |
| 20:30.36 | groton | indes: yes |
| 20:30.39 | indes | I haven't used it in sooo long |
| 20:30.40 | runedude | hi guys |
| 20:30.40 | indes | lol |
| 20:30.49 | shibby12222005 | Why are there sooo many people here? |
| 20:30.52 | runedude | I have a question, how can I see how much diskspace a dir is taking up? |
| 20:30.52 | sigmundk | Hmm... I'm off frolicking in the folders surrounding the kernel to find the appropriate module, mayhaps... All this USB stuff is a bit weird. |
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| 20:31.53 | psycose | hi |
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| 20:32.02 | shibby12222005 | is ChanServ a bot? |
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| 20:32.11 | chealer | shibby12222005: a freenode bot |
| 20:32.11 | jim | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:32.15 | jim | could be |
| 20:32.19 | wd8jmm | shibby: why, you looking for a date? |
| 20:32.23 | shibby12222005 | no |
| 20:32.27 | runedude | no ideas? |
| 20:32.28 | Rawplayer | ChanServ is my sister |
| 20:32.29 | indes | lol |
| 20:32.33 | runedude | how can I see how much diskspace a dir is taking up? |
| 20:32.33 | Rawplayer | she is 20 years old |
| 20:32.34 | Ftroop | rofl |
| 20:32.35 | runedude | :| |
| 20:32.37 | shibby12222005 | im hungry for knowledge |
| 20:32.38 | indes | ChanServ is my WIFE |
| 20:32.46 | jim | chanserve: gender? |
| 20:32.54 | indes | female. |
| 20:32.54 | Ftroop | i went to school with Chanserve |
| 20:32.55 | indes | ;-) |
| 20:33.00 | Rawplayer | :p |
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| 20:33.05 | jepel_tailweaver | runedude, du -sh dirname |
| 20:33.07 | jim | apt: gender? |
| 20:33.14 | apt | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 20:33.14 | Rawplayer | it has my kids |
| 20:33.14 | indes | dpkg, sex? |
| 20:33.14 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:33.15 | Rawplayer | dpkg gender? |
| 20:33.15 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 20:33.16 | shakparl | chanserv is my mistress |
| 20:33.17 | runedude | jepel_tailweaver: thanks |
| 20:33.18 | BenDrake | hey all, I am using Debian Sarge, Kde. I was wondering how to get Raki to work with my PocketPC by activesync. Thanks |
| 20:33.18 | indes | lol |
| 20:33.19 | Rawplayer | \o/ |
| 20:33.21 | wpg_guard | For some reason sndconfig sees my onboard sound card as a "VIA Technologies VT8233 AC96 Audio Controller", but it fails every time I try to run the sound card test. |
| 20:33.30 | mrhemlock | runedude, du /direcorry |
| 20:33.34 | runedude | ok |
| 20:33.35 | runedude | thanks |
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| 20:33.40 | P8ntKid | Can anybody help me? I installed debian sarge or whatever witht he FTP install and when it finished there was no like GUI or like Gnome or kde? |
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| 20:33.45 | P8ntKid | did i do anything wrong? |
| 20:33.45 | shibby12222005 | well, everytime i see an op or voice enter a room, it says that chanserv has given it to them. |
| 20:33.55 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, you need to install it |
| 20:33.57 | indes | Chanserv is the best |
| 20:34.00 | indes | he likes people. |
| 20:34.02 | P8ntKid | i deid install it |
| 20:34.02 | indes | or she |
| 20:34.03 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, If you want gnome or kde, apt-get install them |
| 20:34.04 | P8ntKid | did* |
| 20:34.08 | shibby12222005 | ok |
| 20:34.08 | shibby12222005 | t |
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| 20:34.14 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, can you do 'startx'? |
| 20:34.15 | indes | shibby12222005, type /join shibby12222005 |
| 20:34.19 | P8ntKid | i installed kde but how do i get it to start up? |
| 20:34.21 | shibby12222005 | then i shall assume it is a bot |
| 20:34.25 | indes | ;-) |
| 20:34.25 | Ftroop | check that they installed |
| 20:34.30 | shibby12222005 | why? |
| 20:34.31 | jim | P8ntKid: do you need a graphical thingy? |
| 20:34.32 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, login and do 'startx' |
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| 20:34.39 | P8ntKid | ok |
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| 20:34.47 | P8ntKid | and what will that do? |
| 20:34.56 | valdyn_ | chealer: sorry, got stuff to do.. I'm surprised that emu10k1 is supposed to not support multiple channels on alsa |
| 20:34.57 | jepel_tailweaver | P8ntKid, it will start the graphical environment |
| 20:35.01 | P8ntKid | ok |
| 20:35.02 | P8ntKid | ill brb |
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| 20:35.11 | wd8jmm | umm |
| 20:35.23 | jim | euhm |
| 20:35.23 | indes | jepel_tailweaver, the smartass answer 'it starts x' is preferred |
| 20:35.29 | wd8jmm | what does 'startx' do? couldn't possibly be 'start x'? |
| 20:35.38 | indes | that it does. |
| 20:35.40 | valdyn_ | chealer: if arts doesnt do it, then its his configurations fault |
| 20:35.40 | shibby12222005 | i did that indes |
| 20:35.44 | shibby12222005 | now what |
| 20:35.49 | sigmundk | Oh, cruel world. Seems like little me is out of the loop and still requires information. |
| 20:35.51 | indes | shibby12222005, /msg chanserv help |
| 20:35.53 | shibby12222005 | what r we doing anyway? |
| 20:35.55 | indes | shibby12222005, /msg chanserv help register |
| 20:35.57 | shibby12222005 | ok |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | !rt |
| 20:35.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:36.02 | jepel_tailweaver | indes, I'm a smartass at school every day. I'm on vacation right now |
| 20:36.03 | jim | wd8jmm: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... could be :) |
| 20:36.08 | indes | shibby12222005, register your channel and play with chanserv |
| 20:36.13 | indes | shibby12222005, you'll figure it out |
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| 20:36.23 | KingBrad | hello |
| 20:36.28 | Rawplayer | HIIIIIIIIIII |
| 20:36.29 | indes | jepel_tailweaver, why take vacations from life? ;-) |
| 20:36.35 | abrotman | shibby12222005: are you here for debian help? |
| 20:36.44 | KingBrad | is there an apt-get command i can use to install kernel 2.6.10? |
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| 20:37.09 | jepel_tailweaver | indes, heh |
| 20:37.15 | mufa | KingBrad: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-bla-bla |
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| 20:37.23 | indes | KingBrad, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:37.24 | N0ob2Debian | hello karsten =) |
| 20:37.26 | KingBrad | mufa, whats the bla bal? |
| 20:37.31 | indes | KingBrad, apt-get install one |
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| 20:37.37 | jclinton | KingBrad, don't forget the kernel-headers |
| 20:37.54 | R0bNyc | hello |
| 20:37.55 | mufa | KingBrad: bla bla depands on your processor type |
| 20:38.01 | psycose | well, something goes wrong with my alsa oss emulation (it was ok few days ago), but it just looks like everything is set up right .. (/etc/modutils/alsa-base [OK],/proc/asound/oss/sndstat [OK], /dev/dsp & /dev/mixer permission [OK], modules snd_pcm_oss & snd_mixer_oss loaded [OK], but software that use oss failed) any tips ? thanks. Debian GNU/linux Sid uptodate |
| 20:38.01 | R0bNyc | Anyone with apt-build experience |
| 20:38.06 | abrotman | !apt-build |
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| 20:38.06 | dpkg | i heard apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 20:38.08 | chealer | valdyn_: ok, thanks anyay |
| 20:38.08 | mufa | KingBrad: try apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 20:38.17 | BenDrake | Debian isnt listing my usb int the /dev/ directory |
| 20:38.19 | indes | KingBrad, apt-cache search kernel-image will show you all the kernel versions and headers, source, etcit looks like |
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| 20:38.36 | abrotman | indes: no it won't |
| 20:38.38 | KingBrad | i tried apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10 kernal-headers-2.6.10 module-init-tools hotplug but that didnt work |
| 20:38.41 | indes | abrotman, it does here |
| 20:38.43 | shibby12222005 | chanserv = channel service |
| 20:38.44 | KingBrad | so i added -1i386 |
| 20:38.46 | shibby12222005 | makes sense |
| 20:38.47 | KingBrad | and that didnt work |
| 20:38.49 | indes | abrotman, its showing me alsa modules too |
| 20:38.50 | knightabe_ | hi, I'm upgrading debian stable to debian testing, and I can't seem to update libxml-sax-perl. it craps out on the line "Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "SML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 96. any ideas? |
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| 20:38.50 | mufa | KingBrad: apt-cache search |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | indes: apt-cache search kernel-image ? |
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| 20:38.54 | stuartSan | i've had it with net-inst. would installing debian from woody CD#1 give me everything i basically need in terms of multimedia and driver support |
| 20:38.54 | abrotman | shows you headers? |
| 20:38.54 | indes | abrotman, yes. |
| 20:38.55 | jim | BenDrake: howbout in /proc/bus |
| 20:38.57 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 20:38.57 | shibby12222005 | thanks |
| 20:39.03 | indes | abrotman, no I doj't see headers |
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| 20:39.04 | indes | I see source |
| 20:39.08 | abrotman | indes: that's what you just told him |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | bah .. i don't care |
| 20:39.17 | BenDrake | yep |
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| 20:39.22 | indes | abrotman, I was mistaken then, |
| 20:39.25 | BenDrake | there it is. thankx |
| 20:39.26 | indes | I see source I assume headers |
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| 20:39.35 | Bedad | hey guys, what's a good windows manager? or desktop i suppose, as i want to configure a really nice looking desktop / implement good desktop themes |
| 20:39.43 | indes | not this again |
| 20:39.46 | wd8jmm | hahaha |
| 20:39.46 | abrotman | Bedad: loaded question .. try them all |
| 20:39.50 | indes | this happened like 20 minutes ago Bedad |
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| 20:39.54 | KingBrad | do i just need the image and headers? what is module-init-tools? |
| 20:39.56 | Bedad | oh |
| 20:39.57 | KingBrad | do i need that too? |
| 20:39.59 | Bedad | lol |
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| 20:40.05 | jim | Bedad: fvwm is pretty good, so is sawfish |
| 20:40.05 | wd8jmm | Bedad, google 'window managers' |
| 20:40.12 | indes | KingBrad, for 2.6 yes I believe |
| 20:40.13 | Bedad | thats it fvwm |
| 20:40.15 | abrotman | KingBrad: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. find the one you want .. install it |
| 20:40.19 | Bedad | i already had one in mind but i couldn't remember the name |
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| 20:40.26 | Tweak`TG-Owner | !tell tweak amd64 |
| 20:40.37 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: we tell you that every god damned day |
| 20:40.37 | mufa | Bedad: kde and gnome are most used today, I think |
| 20:40.40 | KingBrad | abrotman i found it |
| 20:40.43 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: why can't you remember? |
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| 20:40.47 | indes | abrotman, the 2.6 image would have the module-init-tools as a depend no? |
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| 20:40.57 | abrotman | indes: the packages will .. compile from source won't |
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| 20:41.23 | indes | abrotman, I compile, I know ;-) -- I just figured the package would be friendly |
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| 20:41.37 | indes | made one too many assumptions today |
| 20:41.39 | indes | so I'll ask ;-) |
| 20:41.39 | abrotman | indes: it is |
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| 20:42.22 | indes | abrotman, perhaps you can help me with my issue, I'm trying to take over a slack machine I have root on with debian at school, its a network boot so I can't install properly.. |
| 20:42.30 | KingBrad | i currently am runing with an i386 kernel should i stay with an i386 kernel ? or can i goto a i686 kernel? |
| 20:42.38 | abrotman | indes: sounds like you're trying to get kicked out |
| 20:42.40 | indes | I took base2_2 (old but whateveR) and converted the debs to tgz's and extrated to / |
| 20:42.43 | abrotman | KingBrad: what is your CPU ? |
| 20:42.47 | KingBrad | p2 450 |
| 20:42.50 | abrotman | !tell indes about debootstrap |
| 20:42.53 | indes | abrotman, they don't mind, its my disk space and can be reimaged |
| 20:42.55 | mufa | KingBrad: go for i686 |
| 20:42.59 | abrotman | indes: you hope |
| 20:42.59 | KingBrad | okay |
| 20:43.01 | KingBrad | cool |
| 20:43.07 | indes | abrotman, I can't build it cuz it doesn't have a proper toolset |
| 20:43.11 | indes | the image the installed is mangled |
| 20:43.12 | wd8jmm | indes: set up a secondary / filesystem, install and then chroot |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | !tell indes about debtakeover |
| 20:43.21 | indes | groton, yea I ugess |
| 20:43.26 | indes | abrotman, lol thanks |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | long long long fucking day |
| 20:43.45 | indes | abrotman, THATS the page I was looking for |
| 20:43.49 | indes | YES!! |
| 20:43.50 | KingBrad | there arent any headers for 2.6 in the apt-cache |
| 20:43.51 | KingBrad | ? |
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| 20:44.20 | mufa | kingbrad: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 20:44.28 | mufa | KingBrad: learn to use apt-cache |
| 20:44.31 | deejoe | are there any sarge-specific howtos for debootstrap anyone can recommend? |
| 20:44.32 | abrotman | KingBrad: bah .. mufa |
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| 20:44.48 | streuner | deejoe: /msg dpkg debootstrap? |
| 20:44.51 | mufa | abrotman: yes |
| 20:44.59 | abrotman | mufa: you just spouted it before me |
| 20:45.07 | deejoe | streuner: looked at that. Some of that's pretty old. But thanks anyway. |
| 20:45.07 | abrotman | !tell KingBrad about search |
| 20:45.17 | Henning | KingBrad: apt-cache search kernel|egrep ^kernel-headers-2.6 |
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| 20:45.36 | runokiab | how can I delete this route: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0? |
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| 20:45.48 | Henning | I've always wondered why apt-cache doesn't take the sort of regexes egrep does nativly. At least mine doesn't seem to. |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn_ | runokiab: route del 192.168.1.0 |
| 20:45.56 | abrotman | Henning: --names-only |
| 20:46.05 | arbius | hello all. Can anyone please tell me where the proper place would be to put firewall rules for a PPPoE DSL connection? I would like to get the rules automatically reloaded if the DSL modem is given a new IP address. |
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| 20:46.12 | abrotman | Henning: as in `apt-cache --name-only search kernel-headers-2.6` |
| 20:46.42 | abrotman | Henning: work better? |
| 20:46.48 | KingBrad | okay |
| 20:46.54 | KingBrad | got everything i need |
| 20:46.55 | jim | arbius: use ipmasq |
| 20:46.59 | KingBrad | can i run it in xwindows? |
| 20:47.03 | KingBrad | without a prob? |
| 20:47.03 | Henning | abrotman: That is helpful, thanks. I'd still like to be able to feed it regexes though, but I guess I'm out of luck there. |
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| 20:47.12 | abrotman | Henning: man apt-cache .. it may |
| 20:47.17 | runokiab | valdyn_: SIOCDELRT: No such process |
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| 20:47.38 | greycat | such whimsical messages. |
| 20:47.39 | runokiab | valdyn_: I also tried route del -net 192.168.1.0 wlan0 with the same effect |
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| 20:47.53 | wd8jmm | KingBrad: if you mean the upgrade - there's no reason not to, but you'll still need to reboot once it's done to load the new kernel |
| 20:47.55 | wd8jmm | damn |
| 20:48.02 | wd8jmm | gotta type faster |
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| 20:49.12 | abrotman | greycat: can you stop neo10-CZE ? or give him his voice or whatever his problem is |
| 20:49.23 | neo10-CZE | I´m sorry.. |
| 20:49.28 | abrotman | oh .. he can talk |
| 20:49.31 | neo10-CZE | I have problem with my irc klient |
| 20:49.35 | abrotman | client |
| 20:49.36 | greycat | abrotman: well, I could definitely stop him :) |
| 20:49.40 | neo10-CZE | client .. |
| 20:49.42 | neo10-CZE | yes :-) |
| 20:49.44 | neo10-CZE | sorry .. |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. i know :) |
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| 20:50.01 | yang_ | I am looking for an easy newbie linux manual where basic commands are written, anyone knows URL? |
| 20:50.07 | jim | why did he need stopping? :) |
| 20:50.22 | valdyn_ | !reference card |
| 20:50.44 | pureone | yang http://mail.simtec.mb.uni-siegen.de/~haunschild/docu/linux-newbie/index.htm |
| 20:50.50 | abrotman | jim: he's come and gone about 20 times in 20 minutes |
| 20:50.56 | jim | oh |
| 20:50.57 | wd8jmm | yang: http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~squadron/ |
| 20:51.01 | abrotman | valdyn_: !refcard |
| 20:51.07 | greycat | !stop neo10-CZE |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | !tell valdyn_ about refcard |
| 20:51.19 | greycat | hrm, there was a CMD: stop (.*?) at one point. |
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| 20:51.25 | stuartSan | greycat: since i'm having problems with internet connections and all would just getting CD#1 and installing solve em |
| 20:51.33 | abrotman | !literal cmd: stop (.*?) |
| 20:51.35 | chealer | damn, still some popups under mozilla-firefox 1.0.1-2 |
| 20:51.35 | greycat | stuartSan: won't know until you try. |
| 20:51.36 | valdyn_ | yang_: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 20:51.36 | stuartSan | instead of net-inst, which i'm kinda noobing out on |
| 20:51.38 | HSorgYves | in kernel 2.6.11 you have the choice about IO schedulers, on default all 3 possibilities are selected... is this required? if not, which one to select for server system? |
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| 20:51.58 | wd8jmm | chealer: yeah, they're getting really persistent |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | HSorgYves: #kernel |
| 20:52.17 | stuartSan | the help files on woody's net-inst recommends kernel 2.4 and not more than that :/.. how come you guys are talking bout 2.6 and stuff |
| 20:52.25 | HSorgYves | abrotman - tryed there, noone alive :-( its on a debian os though |
| 20:52.34 | chealer | wd8jmm: I upgraded from dfsg6 thinking that would fix it |
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| 20:52.36 | abrotman | HSorgYves: use a debian packaged kernel then |
| 20:52.36 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: i'd go for deadline if you're doing a lot of r/w |
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| 20:52.45 | Devi0s | I have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 with an onboard 2 disk scsi raid controller. My OS and grub are installed on the two mirrored 73gb drives. If I boot the system with this configuration, grub works and it boots fine. If I add a PCI-X Adaptec 2810SA 8-Channel SATA Raid Controller, Grub won't load and says "Grub Loading Stage2Read Error". BIOS is configured to boot to the mobo's on-board raid card. How do I |
| 20:52.50 | abrotman | HSorgYves: and which OS is it? |
| 20:52.52 | Devi0s | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.58 | psycose | ok ;-( i just try a last time sorry for the spam |
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| 20:53.00 | psycose | well, something goes wrong with my alsa oss emulation (it was ok few days ago), but it just looks like everything is set up right .. (/etc/modutils/alsa-base [OK],/proc/asound/oss/sndstat [OK], /dev/dsp & /dev/mixer permission [OK], modules snd_pcm_oss & snd_mixer_oss loaded [OK], but software that use oss failed) any tips ? thanks. Debian GNU/linux Sid uptodate |
| 20:53.03 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: append="elevator:deadline" |
| 20:53.10 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: then reboot |
| 20:53.28 | ftwig | I am running a binary which is setuid root. How do I kill it. killall -9 douse not work. |
| 20:53.28 | chealer | stuartSan: 2.6 will be in the next release, which is probably use by the majority of people in this channel |
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| 20:53.51 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - thx, disable the other ones? |
| 20:53.53 | stuartSan | if i upgrade my woody to sarge, would it upgrade my kernel to 2.6 too |
| 20:53.59 | greycat | stuartSan: no |
| 20:54.04 | jim | not necessarily |
| 20:54.12 | greycat | unless you explicitly ask it to do so |
| 20:54.13 | wd8jmm | depends on what you mean by 'upgrade' |
| 20:54.14 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: that's *all* you do, what i gave you. the default is "as" |
| 20:54.21 | drac | psycose: stupid question, but, package alsa-oss installed? |
| 20:54.22 | jim | but at that point you could run 2.6 |
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| 20:54.30 | abrotman | HSorgYves: which distro is this? |
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| 20:55.18 | HSorgYves | abrotman - -> sarge, i need grsec patch and the only stable one is for 2.6.11 :-( |
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| 20:55.28 | arbius | jim: in which directory should I call my rules from for automatic reload upon ip address change? |
| 20:55.30 | blahdeblah | Anyone here running Thunderbird mail find that the junk mail filtering just stops working? (Running sarge i386.) This is the second time it's happened to me... |
| 20:55.44 | stuartSan | i just want to learn linux first, basics and all, without voiding the use of my graphic card and sound card. would just having woody on my pc give me what i need for the moment? |
| 20:55.48 | wd8jmm | blahdeblah: hasn't failed me in over a year |
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| 20:56.05 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: so patch it, and be happy |
| 20:56.13 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: I'd suggest a 'run from cd' thing like knoppix if you're just at the learning stage |
| 20:56.30 | jim | arbius: don't make the rules yourself, use ipmasq; it calculates the firewall for you, establishes it and has an option for recalculating the firewall when ppp link changes |
| 20:56.31 | psycose | drac yes ;-) |
| 20:56.31 | blahdeblah | wd8jmm: It's really strange - it works for months, and then just stops. Doesn't seem to be anything to do with package upgrades, as far as i can tell. |
| 20:56.32 | cfaun | Is there anyway to programmically determine the character encoding that the system is using (using either std libs or libiconv)? |
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| 20:57.16 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - shoudl i put that in lilo.conf and leave all 3 enabled while compiling kernel? |
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| 20:57.49 | stuartSan | wd8jmm: is it still linux though or is it some fancy recreation or something |
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| 20:58.11 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: knoppix is a 'run from cd' version of debian-based linux that will get your feet wet |
| 20:58.18 | arbius | jim : i have a ruleset I am happy with.... I just want it called automatically upon ip addres change |
| 20:58.25 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: yes in lilo.conf. do what you want with the others. if you disable the others, it'll default to deadline (of course) |
| 20:58.31 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: that way you don't have to worry about hosing your windows installation just to try it |
| 20:58.33 | jim | look at how ipmasq does it |
| 20:58.36 | timdoug | stuartSan: all without touching your curren OS install |
| 20:58.54 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - many thanks |
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| 20:59.08 | HSorgYves | other opinions before I start compiling? |
| 20:59.25 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: what kind of server is this? |
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| 20:59.30 | blahdeblah | wd8jmm/any: any ideas on how i can track down why it isn't working? |
| 20:59.30 | jim | also see what pppd offers in the way of callbacks |
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| 21:00.02 | wd8jmm | blahdeblah: check the ruleset when it quits.. something rewriting the .mozilla directory? |
| 21:00.11 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - standard hosting server with postfix, apache2, mysql and so on |
| 21:00.25 | simonrvn | ok. so yeh, deadline would e perfect |
| 21:00.29 | simonrvn | be* |
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| 21:00.52 | stuartSan | i'd rather have a very user friendly linux version than run it from cd only though |
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| 21:01.11 | stuartSan | about time i learn how to handle having linux on my pc |
| 21:01.12 | blahdeblah | wd8jmm: What is the ruleset - do you mean panacea.dat? |
| 21:01.24 | arbius | jim: ok thanks |
| 21:01.27 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: if you wanna take the bull by the horns, download a sarge installer, repartition the hard drive, and have at it |
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| 21:01.45 | N0ob2Debian | lol I found that friendly linux version and linux is kinda like a oxymoron |
| 21:01.48 | stuartSan | wd8jmm: i tried the net-inst though, they dont support PPPoE do they? |
| 21:02.05 | greycat | N0ob2Debian: but you can't even spell. So.... |
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| 21:02.18 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - thanks, its what i thought from the help comments but you never know... |
| 21:02.19 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: far as I know it does, but I haven't used dialup in 5 years |
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| 21:02.23 | N0ob2Debian | I cant? |
| 21:02.26 | greycat | (or you choose to use L33t Sp3l1ng) |
| 21:02.35 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: np |
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| 21:03.07 | blahdeblah | N0ob2Debian: i think n00b has two zeroes. :-) |
| 21:03.23 | RichardC | does anyone here know why linux freezes after somewhere around five minutes after i connect to the 'net using pppd? |
| 21:03.23 | linuxn00b | whenever i attempt to upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 my Xwindows fails to start up |
| 21:03.25 | stuartSan | wd8jmm: mine's adsl though, and net-inst does give me aptitude, but no connection to the net. MobyTurbo said that sarge couldn't be net-inst'ed by PPP and PPPoE users :( that was my first screw-up trying linux |
| 21:03.32 | pelujl | who can I help me? I seach Direct Connect for Debian |
| 21:03.34 | N0ob2Debian | oh.. well I had to change it when this server thought i was logged in already |
| 21:03.42 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: fine-tuning stuff that exist within the defaults goes a long way to improving performance. google for tuning performance linux and you'll see a few helpful sites |
| 21:03.43 | jim | linuxn00b: why? |
| 21:03.43 | runokiab | pelujl: google |
| 21:03.53 | RichardC | id like to convert to linux , but i cant stay on the net! |
| 21:04.03 | stuartSan | after that i downloaded woody net-inst in hopes i could upgrade to sarge.. but it couldn't detect my network card |
| 21:04.04 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: might need to find an older version of the installer, I know there's some breakage in the current release candidate |
| 21:04.05 | stuartSan | how frustrating |
| 21:04.08 | linuxn00b | jim: i dont know |
| 21:04.12 | greycat | RichardC: what NIC? what kernel? |
| 21:04.12 | jim | RichardC: why? |
| 21:04.35 | RichardC | sadly, i dont know the details :( |
| 21:04.35 | jim | linuxn00b: gotta find out |
| 21:04.39 | linuxn00b | jim: it just says this has been modified by debian in the error output |
| 21:04.40 | RichardC | i used morphix |
| 21:04.44 | pelujl | ok thanks |
| 21:04.46 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - i imagine, however i was looking for this choice only atm |
| 21:04.49 | greycat | linuxn00b: use 2.4, then. |
| 21:04.50 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 21:04.50 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 21:04.52 | RichardC | lemme get version |
| 21:04.58 | stuartSan | so now i'm downloading CD#1, in hopes that it installs everything and maybe then i could setup an online connection from an xwin console or something |
| 21:05.05 | RichardC | morphix linux v0.4-1 |
| 21:05.08 | linuxn00b | greycat: I dont want to |
| 21:05.10 | RichardC | http://www.morphix.org/content/view/27/59/ |
| 21:05.30 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: that'll be the best bet for you, IF your modem is supported |
| 21:05.45 | gerardocb | S leonel |
| 21:05.49 | stuartSan | argg |
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| 21:05.53 | RichardC | i was thinking about updating pppd, but i cant stay online long enough to get the packages |
| 21:06.05 | RichardC | i could download them in windows though, but i dont know what all to get |
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| 21:06.20 | greycat | RichardC: FIRST AND LAST WARNING. Morphix is NOT supported here. Continuing to ask for support with Morphix in #debian WILL get you kicked. |
| 21:06.22 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: that's why I suggested knoppix, it's also a good way to make sure your hardware is supported without wasting a 3 hour install |
| 21:06.25 | gerardocb | I can't get to work the damn smtp auth |
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| 21:06.33 | gerardocb | I'm using woody |
| 21:06.41 | RichardC | .... |
| 21:06.42 | greycat | wd8jmm: an install takes 10 minutes. |
| 21:06.43 | linuxn00b | greycat: i want to upgrade to 2.6 so i can use my AMD64 processor's capabilities |
| 21:06.44 | jim | what is morphix? |
| 21:06.45 | gerardocb | I've tried sendmail, postfix |
| 21:06.49 | RichardC | why is morphix unsupported? |
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| 21:06.53 | greycat | !morphix |
| 21:06.54 | dpkg | morphix is, like, a modular linux distribution that provides tools for building your own custom cd live using standard debian tools like apt-get. The prebuilt cds are made from sid (unstable) and can be installed to create a pure sid system using the installer, or http://morphix.sourceforge.net |
| 21:06.54 | stuartSan | o well i'm halfway through.. same thing either way |
| 21:06.57 | stuartSan | all i can do is pray |
| 21:07.05 | ferris | then pray hard |
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| 21:07.30 | wd8jmm | greycat: not for n00bs - they install every bloody thing on the CD :) |
| 21:08.18 | N0ob2Debian | us noobs cant help it .. we think better get it now before its gone tomorrow . .lol |
| 21:08.46 | linuxn00b | can some serioulsy help me with the 2.6 compatability problem |
| 21:09.00 | ferris | or more is better! |
| 21:09.00 | linuxn00b | !works in 2.4 |
| 21:09.00 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 21:09.00 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: what compatibility problem? |
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| 21:09.04 | dvs | linuxn00b: Are you using sarge? |
| 21:09.05 | RichardC | is knoppix ok? |
| 21:09.05 | jim | what abotu non-us noobs? |
| 21:09.09 | dvs | RichardC: no |
| 21:09.12 | dvs | RichardC: /topic |
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| 21:09.13 | linuxn00b | yes im using sarge |
| 21:09.33 | stouse1 | My 2.4 modules don't work in 2.6, but they worked in 2.4 |
| 21:09.36 | linuxn00b | and i tried to upgrade to 2.6 amd64 but now xwindows fails to start |
| 21:09.46 | dvs | linuxfreck: Did you install the module-init-tools package? |
| 21:09.57 | wd8jmm | stouse1: nobody likes a smartass :) |
| 21:10.04 | dvs | linuxn00b: Did you install the module-init-tools package? |
| 21:10.06 | stouse1 | I happen to be very fond of myself, thank you. |
| 21:10.06 | greycat | wd8jmm: hush! |
| 21:10.19 | greycat | stouse1: where's my money? |
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| 21:10.39 | stouset | I gave it to you. |
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| 21:10.45 | stouset | I shipped it to "Happy Guy" |
| 21:10.49 | linuxn00b | dvs: i just tried to apt-get it but its says its the most up-to-date |
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| 21:10.52 | greycat | oh, sure, "the check's in the mail", uh-huh... |
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| 21:11.16 | linuxn00b | dvs: i didnt reinstall that package after upgrading kernels though |
| 21:11.23 | stouset | Check? Nah, I stuck in twenty-five pennies and said you'd pay postage |
| 21:11.33 | stouset | I think twenty-five pennies goes over the weight limit though :-( |
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| 21:12.14 | blue_ | how do you see all cron tabs for your system |
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| 21:12.35 | TNKS | hello. I have a laptop, and it's numlock isn't working. I think xmodmap will solve my problems. How do I monitor keystrokes to see what bindings I need to apply? |
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| 21:12.38 | Sontek | Hey, Anyone want to look at these logs and see if they can tell why its not port forwarding? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ccRC0I19.html |
| 21:12.41 | linuxn00b | SUMONE TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!! |
| 21:12.48 | stouset | blue_: At once? Not sure there's a way. Check /etc/cron.(d|daily|weekly|monthly) and crontab -e |
| 21:12.56 | stuartSan | oh does linux have a player that plays .wmv though? |
| 21:13.06 | blue_ | alright, thanks |
| 21:13.08 | timdoug | stuartSan: mplayer? |
| 21:13.11 | stouset | stuartSan: totem-xine, vlc, mplayer... |
| 21:13.11 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: stop yelling at people for starters, learn to spell, and be patient |
| 21:13.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: /msg'ing the bot with +help won't get a response... you want /msg dpkg help |
| 21:13.21 | stouset | stuartSan: totem-gstreamer will be able to eventually, one would hope |
| 21:13.32 | linuxn00b | wd8jm: do you know how to fix my problem? |
| 21:13.45 | blue_ | whats your problem |
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| 21:13.57 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: I tend to agree with dvs. you've got nvidia hardware, eh? |
| 21:13.58 | stuartSan | neat. a stable multimedia system is rox |
| 21:14.06 | linuxn00b | yes |
| 21:14.08 | hedonick | TNKS: xev ? |
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| 21:14.13 | linuxn00b | but i didnt install any new drivers |
| 21:14.14 | pizux3 | yo hellox lookin for someon who got a dlink dsl 300t |
| 21:14.27 | stuartSan | i have dlink dsl 520 |
| 21:14.28 | linuxn00b | but i DO have nvidia |
| 21:14.48 | greycat | poor baby. |
| 21:14.50 | hedonick | TNKS: alternativly you could try using xkeycaps |
| 21:14.51 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: need the 2.6x modules for your device, then |
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| 21:15.03 | linuxn00b | wd8jm: how do i get those? |
| 21:15.08 | wd8jmm | umm |
| 21:15.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i didn't use +help |
| 21:15.10 | greycat | same way you got the 2.4 ones. |
| 21:15.14 | abrotman | maria: don't /msg me |
| 21:15.16 | stuartSan | um.. having nvidia cards are a problem? because i have it on my pc.. |
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| 21:15.25 | linuxn00b | greycat: i didnt get any 2.4 ones |
| 21:15.27 | maria | ok |
| 21:15.30 | greycat | stuartSan: only if you want accelerated 3d in X. |
| 21:15.33 | stouset | /version #debian |
| 21:15.40 | stuartSan | well i do :( |
| 21:15.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: works now .. didn't work this AM |
| 21:15.44 | greycat | linuxn00b: so you run XFree86 with the nv driver? what's the problem? |
| 21:15.49 | stouset | Crap. |
| 21:15.54 | stouset | Nobody saw that. |
| 21:16.12 | linuxn00b | greycat: when i try booting to the 2.6 kernel the x-window system fails to start |
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| 21:16.17 | stouset | !qotd97 |
| 21:16.17 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
| 21:16.28 | greycat | linuxn00b: which part of this are you having trouble grokking? |
| 21:16.29 | toresbe | sheesh |
| 21:16.36 | abrotman | blue_: have a problem? |
| 21:16.37 | dvs | linuxn00b: Then look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file for (EE) |
| 21:16.37 | greycat | linuxn00b: HOW CAN WE HELP YOU IF YOU DON'T TELL US THE ERROR? |
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| 21:16.45 | blue_ | lol just trying it |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | blue_: so try it on yourself dumbass |
| 21:16.57 | linuxn00b | OK FINE ill post the error |
| 21:17.01 | toresbe | someone should make a statistic of the IRC clients used in various channels on various networks |
| 21:17.03 | blue_ | no clue what it would do |
| 21:17.06 | blue_ | sry |
| 21:17.08 | abrotman | so don't try it on my |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman | er me |
| 21:17.19 | stuartSan | even 2.4 has problems with nvidia? |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | what if i'm running a vulnerable MIRC and you format my HDD ? |
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| 21:17.32 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: depends if you want 3d |
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| 21:17.37 | greycat | abrotman: then you get to install Debian |
| 21:17.44 | N0ob2Debian | lol |
| 21:17.57 | shakparl | greycat: uaaa |
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| 21:18.01 | abrotman | greycat: i already have it installed .. but i've been doing so much win32 crap lately .. |
| 21:18.13 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | dvs: do it again! |
| 21:18.20 | linuxn00b | i apparently have the wrong module loader |
| 21:18.24 | linuxn00b | how do i change that |
| 21:18.24 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:18.39 | wd8jmm | linuxN00b: what exactly does the error look like? please? |
| 21:18.44 | shakparl | !beer shakparl |
| 21:18.45 | i-o | Excuse me when I load up debian "login" I put username and pass what command do I put afterwards to login |
| 21:18.51 | shakparl | num |
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| 21:19.06 | stouset | i-o: ...enter? |
| 21:19.08 | drac | i-o: What ever you want.. ;) |
| 21:19.20 | wd8jmm | i-o: if you see a $ prompt, that's it... you're logged in |
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| 21:19.31 | i-o | OH Ok |
| 21:19.32 | wd8jmm | i-o: if you mean graphical interface, try 'startx' |
| 21:19.34 | N0ob2Debian | lol im glad someone else asked |
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| 21:19.53 | N0ob2Debian | I've been wanting to ask that for awhile now |
| 21:19.55 | i-o | startx great that is what I was talking about |
| 21:19.59 | i-o | thanks |
| 21:19.59 | linuxn00b | wd8jmm: it duznt really say any error in the log, but the one thing that concerns me is that it says: Module Loader present |
| 21:19.59 | linuxn00b | OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.27-speakup (joey@dragon) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Feb 25 15:43:38 EST 2005 |
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| 21:20.21 | abrotman | why do people keep using the speakup one? |
| 21:20.29 | linuxn00b | i dont want too |
| 21:20.33 | abrotman | fbb: what is wrong with you? |
| 21:20.39 | linuxn00b | im trying to change to amd64 2.6 |
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| 21:20.56 | abrotman | fbb: can i help you? |
| 21:21.13 | Loevborg | err. can anyone tell me how to type the telnet escape character? (on a german keyboard) |
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| 21:21.32 | Loevborg | or better yet, how to kill a telnet session if ctrl-c doesn't work. |
| 21:21.36 | linuxn00b | germans are funny |
| 21:21.38 | greycat | Loevborg: Ctrl-] |
| 21:21.42 | stouset | Loevborg: Ctrl-] |
| 21:21.54 | greycat | better yet, don't use telnet... |
| 21:22.08 | wd8jmm | Loevborg: or change vt's and kill the process |
| 21:22.13 | linuxn00b | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.13 | linuxn00b | linuxn00b OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.27-speakup (joey@dragon) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Feb 25 15:43:38 EST 2005 |
| 21:22.14 | valdyn_ | Strg-AltGr-9 should be it |
| 21:22.28 | fbb | abrotman: i have an extra chromasome |
| 21:22.38 | abrotman | fbb: so why does that concern me? |
| 21:22.39 | linuxn00b | greycat: it duznt really say any error in the log, but the one thing that concerns me is that it says: Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.27-speakup (joey@dragon) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Feb 25 15:43:38 EST 2005 |
| 21:22.44 | leonel | gerardocb: what's up |
| 21:22.51 | greycat | duznt?? |
| 21:22.58 | Gnea | the fuck is 'duznt' |
| 21:23.01 | greycat | My god. |
| 21:23.06 | drac | doesn't? |
| 21:23.07 | shingouz | fbb: don't version me please |
| 21:23.12 | greycat | the only thing that "concerns" him is his kernel version. |
| 21:23.13 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: I don't know greycat all that well, but I'd say you've about reached your limit of pasting repetitive shit in the channel... |
| 21:23.13 | abrotman | why is he using speakup? |
| 21:23.15 | greycat | Bloody fuckwit. |
| 21:23.17 | fbb | abrotman: you asked me a question thats my standard reply :) |
| 21:23.17 | abrotman | shingouz: kill him! |
| 21:23.24 | abrotman | fbb: you're a fuckign asshhole .. go away |
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| 21:23.31 | fbb | lol |
| 21:23.32 | linuxn00b | wd8jmm: then why wont u answer me? |
| 21:23.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:23.34 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:23.38 | shingouz | abrotman: i seem to be missing my ircop status on this network ;) |
| 21:23.39 | fbb | is versioning illegal? |
| 21:23.39 | Loevborg | greycat, problem is, typing "]" on a german keyboard requires pressing AltGr - which doesn't work with control. |
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| 21:23.48 | linuxn00b | wd8jmm: how do i change the module loader |
| 21:23.50 | abrotman | fbb: it's rude |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | stouset: don't /msg me |
| 21:23.55 | shingouz | fbb: it is not considered appropriate |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | god damn |
| 21:23.58 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 21:23.58 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam. 10) see <msg> |
| 21:23.59 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: when you can find the errors in your X config, I'll answer you |
| 21:24.05 | abrotman | fucking idiots everywhere |
| 21:24.15 | gerardocb | leonel: I can't make the f... smtp auth to work |
| 21:24.18 | dvs | abrotman: Are you driving? ;-) |
| 21:24.24 | gerardocb | I tried everything |
| 21:24.26 | fbb | uhh calm down |
| 21:24.33 | abrotman | uhh .. don't fucking do it |
| 21:24.36 | fbb | thats why there is a version command |
| 21:24.39 | leonel | gerardocb: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
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| 21:24.41 | abrotman | so version yourself .. |
| 21:24.49 | fbb | ok |
| 21:24.54 | fbb | i will |
| 21:24.57 | abrotman | not me |
| 21:24.57 | leonel | gerardocb: alberto is doing the same wierd |
| 21:24.59 | fbb | lol |
| 21:24.59 | greycat | fbb: versioning or pinging a whole channel of 800 people is abusive. |
| 21:25.01 | abrotman | morons |
| 21:25.03 | Gnea | if you don't know what you are running then you shouldn't be running it |
| 21:25.09 | abrotman | Gnea: you live! |
| 21:25.15 | leonel | gerardocb just change mysql for pam |
| 21:25.16 | Gnea | abrotman: i try |
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| 21:25.22 | gerardocb | leonel: I think he's trying to help me |
| 21:25.31 | Gnea | again? |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | Gnea: funeral |
| 21:25.42 | wd8jmm | abrotman: that's a new one.... 'go version yourself!' |
| 21:25.42 | Gnea | .... |
| 21:25.46 | leonel | gerardocb: oh |
| 21:25.51 | FarrisG | I have inherited from my predecessor here a dual-xeon Dell machine running woody/testing with 3.5G RAM and NO SWAP... Is this common, or was the guy just a mo? |
| 21:25.54 | Gnea | abrotman: that's just not funny |
| 21:25.59 | gerardocb | leonel: yesterday (well.. actually today @ 3:30AM) I tried that but didn't work |
| 21:26.13 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm not joking .. my grandmother passed away over a month ago .. but apparently the ground is frozen or something |
| 21:26.16 | greycat | FarrisG: somewhat common. |
| 21:26.28 | wd8jmm | FarrisG: you watch the messages, and let us know when you get thru the memory and NEED swap on a box like that... |
| 21:26.29 | Gnea | abrotman: egads.. sorry to hear that :/ |
| 21:26.31 | stouset | FarrisG: 3.5G RAM? As long as you never hit that, then you really don't need swap. |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | Gnea: the service is up near the MI UP |
| 21:26.34 | greycat | FarrisG: not sure what you mean by woody/testing though |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | Gnea: i guess it's cold up there :) |
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| 21:26.48 | Gnea | dude |
| 21:26.52 | Gnea | it's fscking freezing over here |
| 21:26.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:27.01 | FarrisG | greycat: I just meant he installed with woody, and most everything he installed on the box was in testing |
| 21:27.02 | stouset | FarrisG: And if you do hit that, with whatever's running on that machine in 3.5G of RAM, you'd probably just want more RAM anyways. |
| 21:27.03 | abrotman | my boss is in milwuakee today |
| 21:27.09 | linuxn00b | does anyone know how to replace the module loader? |
| 21:27.10 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | he asked me if it was warm there |
| 21:27.12 | greycat | FarrisG: oh, bobbitted? that's bad. |
| 21:27.14 | Gnea | i'm not too far from there |
| 21:27.18 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:27.20 | Gnea | hahahhahhahhaha |
| 21:27.25 | abrotman | Gnea: i said .. "it's north of chicago .. what do you think?" |
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| 21:27.30 | leonel | gerardocb: that example auths with pam and pam with mysql |
| 21:27.31 | leonel | gerardocb: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
| 21:27.36 | linuxn00b | does anyone know how to replace the module loader? |
| 21:27.38 | Gnea | that cracks me up |
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| 21:27.40 | wd8jmm | linuxn00b: what the hell makes you think the module loader is the problem? |
| 21:27.45 | *** mode/#Debian [+q linuxn00b!*@*] by greycat |
| 21:27.47 | Gnea | linuxn00b: no now stfu and go away |
| 21:27.49 | gerardocb | leonel: is that woody based? |
| 21:27.49 | chealer | !tell linuxn00b about repeat |
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| 21:28.31 | Gnea | damn n00bz, go RTFM |
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| 21:28.33 | FarrisG | greycat: The machine is a file server. Serves up samba shares and NFS exports. Large ones (about 800G total) fed into a 1000Mb/s switch to a bunch of compute servers |
| 21:28.39 | Gnea | i had to, so you do too |
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| 21:29.03 | greycat | FarrisG: it's unlikely that adding swap would improve performance by much when he has THAT much ram. but mixing woody and sarge is BAD. |
| 21:29.07 | greycat | he should pick one or the other. |
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| 21:29.41 | stuartSan | bleh, out of empty cd's |
| 21:29.42 | stuartSan | this sucks |
| 21:29.50 | Gnea | so i'm trying to quit smoking cigs this week |
| 21:29.57 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:30.01 | FarrisG | greycat: I agree. It's my mess to clean up now. So far everything seems to be OK, just flaky at times. All of the core stuff came straight out of woody |
| 21:30.03 | dvs | linuxn00b: Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, go to the "Device" section and change the Driver to "vesa" |
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| 21:30.12 | stuartSan | my quest of having linux running decently on my pc has been dragging for days |
| 21:30.20 | gerardocb | leonel: postfix-tls is 1.1.11 in this box |
| 21:30.32 | Gnea | stuartSan: it took me years, don't feel bad |
| 21:30.37 | gerardocb | But an apt-get doesn't upgrade to v2 |
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| 21:30.52 | greycat | !info postfix-tls woody |
| 21:30.55 | stuartSan | Gnea: i cant even get it to go online lol |
| 21:30.59 | wd8jmm | stuartSan: should have been around in the heady days of dselect! |
| 21:30.59 | FarrisG | greycat: What pissed me off the most is the way some of it is served. Most of the user data is on this machine, and exported with NFS. ANOTHER machine mounts that NFS export and shares the files over samba |
| 21:31.03 | stuartSan | so far i've mastered the art of instaling the base o/s |
| 21:31.04 | dpkg | postfix-tls: (TLS and SASL support for Postfix), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.1.11+tls0.7.15-0.woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 225 kB, Installed size: 556 kB |
| 21:31.11 | Gnea | stuartSan: well what kind of connection do you have |
| 21:31.15 | greycat | gerardocb: correct. it's 1.1.11 in woody. |
| 21:31.20 | stuartSan | dsl ethernet PPPoE |
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| 21:31.26 | Gnea | dude |
| 21:31.31 | Gnea | that's fscking easy |
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| 21:31.36 | stuartSan | but how |
| 21:31.38 | pestilence | are there no alsa module packages for woody? |
| 21:31.38 | Gnea | i'm on it right now |
| 21:31.41 | Gnea | easy |
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| 21:31.43 | greycat | Gnea: not as easy as a straight DHCP. |
| 21:31.48 | gerardocb | thankyou, greycat |
| 21:31.49 | Gnea | install pppoe and pppoeconf |
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| 21:31.54 | stuartSan | i already have woody's base o/s |
| 21:31.56 | Gnea | run that shit and bam |
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| 21:31.59 | greycat | you still have to either run pppoeconf or manually edit the /etc/pap/* stuff |
| 21:32.00 | gerardocb | So, I would have to update to testing,ah? |
| 21:32.08 | Gnea | i ran pppoeconf once |
| 21:32.15 | Gnea | and it's been working just fine for many months |
| 21:32.15 | stuartSan | i did pppoeconf, and it said it couldn't detect my network card, and i ran modconf.. couldnt install any of the cards there |
| 21:32.16 | wd8jmm | Gnea: bam? you Emeril in disguise? |
| 21:32.17 | stuartSan | i tried all |
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| 21:32.22 | greycat | I tried running it once, too. It wanted the fucking DSL modem to be ATTACHED to the machine. |
| 21:32.28 | gerardocb | s/update/upgrade/g |
| 21:32.28 | Gnea | wd8jmm: well, i *can* cook |
| 21:32.29 | greycat | Therefore, I obviously could not use it. |
| 21:32.36 | wd8jmm | hehehe |
| 21:32.40 | Gnea | :) |
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| 21:32.52 | pestilence | do you have to install alsa-source and compile the modules yourself? is there some wiki someplace which covers alsa and woody? |
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| 21:33.02 | omry | which pdf viewer for linux supports copy pasting text from pdf files? |
| 21:33.08 | Gnea | greycat: then you didn't do it right |
| 21:33.11 | greycat | pestilence: upgrade to sarge and use module-assistant, or a sarge kernel + alsa modules. |
| 21:33.25 | Gnea | omry: xpdf, gpdf, evince... |
| 21:33.34 | dvs | pestilence: Compiling the ALSA drivers yourself is not hard. |
| 21:33.34 | greycat | Gnea: no, it's physically impossible to hook up a live DSL modem and phone line to a laptop which is miles and miles away. |
| 21:33.40 | pestilence | greycat: i would like to stick with woody, thanks |
| 21:33.52 | stuartSan | Gnea: which version of debian did you have installed when you ran the PPPoE stuff |
| 21:33.58 | greycat | Gnea: if I had been *AT* the doctor's house, then yes, I might have been able to do it. But I install the laptops *here* at work, and then they take them home. |
| 21:33.59 | pestilence | dvs: i agree, i just was checking to make sure there wasn't a package, because that is easier. |
| 21:34.01 | Gnea | greycat: yeah i suppose so |
| 21:34.01 | stuartSan | and what type, net-inst or CD#1 |
| 21:34.10 | greycat | pestilence: then you get to do it the hard way |
| 21:34.11 | leonel | <gerardocb> So, I would have to update to testing,ah? <--- Testing has no security updates not recommended for production |
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| 21:34.16 | BenDrake | has anyone gotten the Raki applet to sync? |
| 21:34.24 | Gnea | stuartSan: wid |
| 21:34.25 | Gnea | er |
| 21:34.27 | Gnea | stuartSan: sid |
| 21:34.33 | gerardocb | leonel, I know... I don't want to do it |
| 21:34.33 | omry | Gnea, I`ll evince, gpdf (and kpdf) don't won't let me copy the text. |
| 21:34.36 | pestilence | greycat: that's fine, just checking that was necessary |
| 21:34.37 | stuartSan | sid? |
| 21:34.41 | stuartSan | !help sid |
| 21:34.44 | Gnea | sid |
| 21:34.51 | i-o | Ok I logged in but when I type startx it -bash error message am I missing something |
| 21:34.51 | Gnea | as in |
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| 21:34.53 | Gnea | unstable |
| 21:34.58 | dvs | pestilence: There are alsa packages for woody but they're for 2.4.16 |
| 21:34.59 | greycat | !faq i-o |
| 21:34.59 | Gnea | but i ran it in sarge too |
| 21:35.00 | dpkg | i-o: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:35.01 | Gnea | and it's fine |
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| 21:35.09 | wd8jmm | i-o: what's the error? |
| 21:35.12 | gerardocb | leonel, but... will I have to install postfix-tls 2.x from sources?? |
| 21:35.14 | stuartSan | you managed to get pppoe in sarge? was it netinst? |
| 21:35.19 | pestilence | dvs: yea, i saw those |
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| 21:35.26 | codbyte | hello, how can I set the menu font size in emacs ? |
| 21:35.26 | greycat | stuartSan: it's IN the damned base system. Sheesh. |
| 21:35.29 | ulisses | anybody using konsole with a utf-8 locale? |
| 21:35.32 | greycat | !info pppoeconf sarge |
| 21:35.33 | pestilence | dvs: strange they don't have them for the default kernel |
| 21:35.35 | ulisses | (hi all) |
| 21:35.37 | dpkg | pppoeconf: (configures PPPoE/ADSL connections), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 21:35.39 | dvs | pestilence: I agree |
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| 21:35.41 | stuartSan | some guy said i couldn't net-inst sarge with a ppp/pppoe connection because it wasn't supported or smething ;\ |
| 21:35.42 | Gnea | stuartSan: what greycat said |
| 21:35.44 | greycat | or I thought it was. |
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| 21:35.58 | greycat | maybe I installed it later. Who knows. |
| 21:35.58 | sophacles | hi all. ssh question. i have a portforward set up with iptables to go from gatewaybox port 2950 to inside box 22. when i try to ssh -p 2950 gatewaybox it logs a syn packet to port 22. |
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| 21:36.03 | Gnea | stuartSan: and you beleived him |
| 21:36.06 | Gnea | haahahahhahahah |
| 21:36.11 | sophacles | why is that? shouldnt it be to port 2950? |
| 21:36.19 | wd8jmm | greycat: as far as I remember, that's part of what busted when they froze the last release... |
| 21:36.22 | stuartSan | damnit |
| 21:36.35 | greycat | !info pppoe sarge |
| 21:36.40 | dpkg | pppoe: (PPP over Ethernet driver), section net, is optional. Version: 3.5-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 166 kB |
| 21:36.52 | leonel | gerardocb: no you don't |
| 21:36.52 | Gnea | stuartSan: that's right dude, don't believe it till you see it. |
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| 21:37.01 | chealer | Gnea: it's true |
| 21:37.14 | Gnea | chealer: what's true? |
| 21:37.24 | Gnea | that pppoe doesn't work in sarge? |
| 21:37.28 | Gnea | that's fucking bullshit |
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| 21:37.30 | wd8jmm | Gnea: Injun Joe is ticklish |
| 21:37.31 | leonel | gerardocb: I have postfix 1.1.11 with auth to postgresql |
| 21:37.33 | chealer | Gnea: that "couldn't net-inst sarge with a ppp/pppoe connection because it wasn't supported or smething ;\" |
| 21:37.43 | stuartSan | okay |
| 21:37.47 | chealer | Gnea: pppoe works in sarge of course |
| 21:37.48 | stuartSan | now i'm getting confused |
| 21:37.50 | leonel | gerardocb: you don't need postfix 2 so you can auth to pam |
| 21:37.51 | greycat | someone try it and tell us. |
| 21:37.53 | greycat | sheesh. |
| 21:38.02 | stuartSan | i did, couldn't tho |
| 21:38.03 | Gnea | chealer: but at one point the installer didn't support it |
| 21:38.09 | chealer | Gnea: I'm talking about RC2 anyway |
| 21:38.17 | chealer | Gnea: is RC3 out? |
| 21:38.21 | Gnea | chealer: and RC2 was released *when*? |
| 21:38.29 | greycat | wd8jmm: it starts with "ls /usr/share/doc/pppoe" for me. |
| 21:38.30 | Gnea | fucked if i know |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | chealer: not according to the d-i site |
| 21:38.53 | chealer | Gnea: 2004-11-22 |
| 21:38.56 | Gnea | wd8jmm: it's like putting peanut butter on bread, you never forget |
| 21:38.57 | greycat | damn... |
| 21:39.06 | stuartSan | okay i'm not going to upgrade or anything anymore i'm just going to stick to woody if all is fine |
| 21:39.07 | greycat | that's almost 4 months! |
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| 21:39.11 | Gnea | chealer: hahaha that's so long ago |
| 21:39.19 | Gnea | friggin' stoned age |
| 21:39.23 | chealer | Gnea: abrotman seems right |
| 21:39.28 | gerardocb | Ok... http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html says v2 is needed |
| 21:39.39 | stuartSan | not like i need more for my p3 667,64mb nivia,vibra 128 soundcard |
| 21:39.39 | greycat | gerardocb: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 21:39.43 | TNKS | Maybe someone can help me figure something out: I have a Thinkpad, and I used an xmodmap command to assign Num_Lock appropriately; it works and the LED lights up, but the keys them selves don't give numbers, but instead move the pointer around. |
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| 21:39.48 | chealer | Gnea: debian.org is proposing you stone age anyway |
| 21:39.49 | Gnea | maybe your concentrator is broken |
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| 21:39.51 | hacim | hmmm isn't booting single user supposed to mount / as read-only? |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | fbb: are you fucking joking ? .. did you not see mee fucking tell 3 people not to /msg me? |
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| 21:39.58 | greycat | hacim: no |
| 21:40.07 | greycat | hacim: you're thinking of init=/bin/sh |
| 21:40.14 | Gnea | chealer: they do that everytime there's a stable release party, so what's new? |
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| 21:40.21 | hacim | greycat: hrm, yeah I am... cuz / needs to be fsck'd |
| 21:40.26 | TNKS | They move the pointer around in a sensible way, but I'd rather have the numbers. |
| 21:40.30 | abrotman | fbb: fucking stop it you idiot |
| 21:40.30 | greycat | hacim: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 21:40.31 | leonel | gerardocb: it's a way to doit i've used that for my setup and I have it with postfix 1.1.11 and postgresql |
| 21:40.35 | hacim | greycat: yep |
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| 21:40.46 | abrotman | fbb: please stop /msg'ing me |
| 21:40.51 | gerardocb | leonel, I want to use my local user accounts |
| 21:40.53 | greycat | abrotman: /ignore fbb msg |
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| 21:41.00 | abrotman | greycat: can't you just kick him? |
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| 21:41.04 | daww | !tell daww about kernel |
| 21:41.04 | gerardocb | Will that way work for me? |
| 21:41.05 | Gnea | fbb: stop being a dick. |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | i've asked him 5 times .. keeps doing it |
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| 21:41.13 | leonel | gerardocb: that example is for auth with pam and pam with postfix |
| 21:41.15 | Gnea | !troll fbb |
| 21:41.16 | dna_ | what is the command to get into locales? |
| 21:41.22 | greycat | dna_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:41.23 | fbb | i simply apolagized |
| 21:41.26 | BenDrake | Hello, I am using Debian sarge, Kde, and wondering how to install a synaptics touchpad. |
| 21:41.26 | dna_ | thank you |
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| 21:41.33 | abrotman | fbb: please stop .. and don't say anything to me in /msg ever again |
| 21:41.34 | leonel | gerardocb: just change /etc/pam.d/smtp so it can work with /etc/passwd |
| 21:41.40 | KingBrad | how do i install Kernel Sources? |
| 21:41.43 | Gnea | BenDrake: oh that's easy |
| 21:41.47 | chealer | BenDrake: ask #debian-kde it it's kde-related |
| 21:41.47 | greycat | KingBrad: apt-cache search kernel source |
| 21:41.51 | dvs | KingBrad: apt-get install kernel-source |
| 21:41.53 | Gnea | chealer: wrong |
| 21:41.53 | KingBrad | i have them |
| 21:41.54 | stouset | KingBrad: apt-cache search kernel source |
| 21:41.58 | KingBrad | i have them |
| 21:41.59 | greycat | KingBrad: cd /usr/src; ls |
| 21:41.59 | daww | !tell daww kernel |
| 21:42.06 | KingBrad | i know where they are |
| 21:42.10 | Gnea | the synaptics touchpad is an X/kernel thing |
| 21:42.12 | Gnea | not a kde thing |
| 21:42.13 | BenDrake | wow |
| 21:42.15 | greycat | KingBrad: THEN WHAT IS THE FUCKING QUESTION? |
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| 21:42.19 | chealer | BenDrake: probably ksynaptics-related |
| 21:42.25 | BenDrake | thanks |
| 21:42.25 | ulisses | anybody is using kde/konsole with a utf-8 locale? |
| 21:42.31 | KingBrad | Can't find the kernel sources. Please, install them and run this program. <---- how do i fix this!? |
| 21:42.41 | greycat | KingBrad: STOP doing whatever the fuck you are doing. |
| 21:42.42 | Gnea | BenDrake: first of all, you have to get the patch for your kernel anda recompile so that the psmouse.c knows about it |
| 21:42.50 | stouset | KingBrad: What program? |
| 21:42.51 | daww | Where can I find commands I can use from the bot? |
| 21:42.56 | greycat | KingBrad: ask us a coherent question, like "How do I make my nvidia card work with 3d hardware acceleration?" |
| 21:42.58 | KingBrad | ntfs4linux |
| 21:43.00 | stouset | KingBrad: An error message is absolutely useless unless we know *what* is causing it |
| 21:43.01 | greycat | KingBrad: then we can !faq you. |
| 21:43.02 | Gnea | BenDrake: install the X driver via apt-get (apt-cache search synaptic) |
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| 21:43.17 | Gnea | BenDrake: and there are lots of X config examples you can google for |
| 21:43.19 | gerardocb | leonel: I have this "auth required pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass" |
| 21:43.25 | BenDrake | ahh |
| 21:43.26 | stuartSan | yeah seriously, i'll need to know how i can make my nvidia card work with 3d hardware acceleration for when i manage to install woody |
| 21:43.33 | greycat | !faq stuartSan |
| 21:43.34 | dpkg | stuartSan: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:43.34 | gerardocb | leonel, I think it should work |
| 21:43.47 | stouset | KingBrad: you won't need the kernel sources, just the headers. Install the kernel-headers package for your current kernel, and point ntfs4linux there. |
| 21:43.49 | stuartSan | woot |
| 21:43.50 | mufa | stuartSan: use the drivers from nvidia site |
| 21:43.59 | Gnea | stuartSan: it's all in the README |
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| 21:44.16 | KingBrad | i already installed the,, or i should have when i did the apt-get for the kernel image and kernel headers... |
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| 21:44.39 | KingBrad | ok |
| 21:44.45 | stouset | KingBrad: Then the kernel sources are there. |
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| 21:44.55 | KingBrad | yes, they are here... |
| 21:44.58 | fakeblueeyess | my friend just spmmaed u guys |
| 21:45.01 | stouset | KingBrad: If ntfs4linux says they aren't, take it up with them; it's clearly wrong. |
| 21:45.18 | KingBrad | do they not need to be registred or anything? |
| 21:45.20 | abrotman | fakeblueeyess: you mean me? |
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| 21:45.23 | [1]Sontek | Hey, Anyone want to look at these logs and see if they can tell why its not port forwarding? my script: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qnN93K50.html the logs: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/L4XNX121.html |
| 21:45.34 | fakeblueeyess | my friend spammed u guys |
| 21:45.40 | stouset | KingBrad: registered? With what? They sit there and look pretty. They're just files. |
| 21:45.41 | daww | !faq daww |
| 21:45.42 | dpkg | daww: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:45.43 | abrotman | fakeblueeyess: yay .. give us more |
| 21:45.47 | KingBrad | ok |
| 21:45.48 | KingBrad | thx |
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| 21:46.18 | fakeblueeyess | btw since i = noob fail |
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| 21:46.22 | fakeblueeyess | does ne1 know what RIFK means?? |
| 21:46.33 | greycat | !rifk |
| 21:46.49 | stouset | fakeblueeyess: looks like you and your friend have a lot in common |
| 21:46.53 | greycat | well, dpkg doesn't know. I doubt ne1 knows either, whoever that may be. |
| 21:46.53 | fakeblueeyess | lol |
| 21:46.55 | fakeblueeyess | kay |
| 21:47.01 | fakeblueeyess | well iuno what it means |
| 21:47.03 | fakeblueeyess | sum1 tell me |
| 21:47.04 | stuartSan | hmm.. i wonder if i have to do the same thing for my video card what i have to do to get nvidia to work on woody |
| 21:47.09 | stouset | /ignore fakeblueeyes |
| 21:47.11 | stuartSan | network card* network card! |
| 21:47.13 | stuartSan | bloody typo |
| 21:47.15 | blue_ | is there anyway to verify cronjobs are on and working |
| 21:47.17 | fakeblueeyess | u ignore me?? |
| 21:47.17 | cafuego | fakeblueeyess: Do you know what google is? |
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| 21:47.25 | fakeblueeyess | i know what google is |
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| 21:47.39 | cafuego | fakeblueeyess: maybe use it, might be more useful. |
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| 21:47.56 | greycat | grr. |
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| 21:48.01 | Delph | greycat: i'll put a nb that there were two .'s in that .net ? |
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| 21:48.12 | fakeblueeyess | wtf?!!? |
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| 21:48.23 | dippo | hm. my mouse disappears from /proc/bus/usb/devices when I move it |
| 21:48.24 | dippo | is that normal? |
| 21:48.25 | abrotman | that worked |
| 21:48.27 | daww | Where can I find that howto:s you use to recommend to build a custom kernel? |
| 21:48.38 | greycat | daww: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:48.46 | PerfDave | daww: We don't recommend you build a custom kernel :) |
| 21:48.59 | daww | PerfDave, why not? |
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| 21:49.06 | chatter | is it possible to upgrade debian to kernel 2.6.10? I can't seem to find it on the site... |
| 21:49.10 | PerfDave | daww: Because there is very rarely any need, and you're likely to fuck it up. |
| 21:49.16 | stouset | daww: Because there's rarely a point |
| 21:49.26 | pureone | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/15/1845250&from=rss |
| 21:49.28 | Gnea | chatter: yeah just get the .deb out of unstable's branch |
| 21:49.37 | SiliconViper | Yay! I've got a new monitor! |
| 21:49.40 | stouset | daww: For some reason, people install Linux and the first thing they think they need to do is start compiling a kernel. It's Linux after all! |
| 21:49.42 | stew | chatter: 2.6.10 is not going to enter sarge |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | pureone: wrong channel |
| 21:49.49 | SiliconViper | 1920x1440 is.. fun. |
| 21:49.53 | Gnea | Linux version 2.6.10 (root@teletrantwo) (gcc version 3.4.4 20041218 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-6)) #1 Thu Jan 27 03:44:10 CST 2005 |
| 21:49.56 | daww | PerfDave, I've used a custom kernel last week without any problems |
| 21:49.58 | mufa | chatter: yes it is, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-bla-bla |
| 21:50.39 | Gnea | stew: it runs sarge quite well actually |
| 21:50.39 | PerfDave | daww: That's nice. Think of all that effort and time you wasted. |
| 21:50.40 | stew | Gnea: your point? |
| 21:50.40 | chatter | so it is possible, thank you for the info |
| 21:50.40 | PerfDave | stouset: They're probably used to less helpful distros ;) |
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| 21:50.41 | stouset | daww: And the sad truth is that there probably wasn't much of a point =\ |
| 21:50.41 | daww | PerfDave, =), no it's really not wasted time, I've learned one thing and another |
| 21:50.47 | Gnea | stew: that it's possible and i proved it so. |
| 21:50.50 | PerfDave | daww: And it'll break when you want to add new features. |
| 21:50.58 | stouset | daww: What did you learn? make menuconfig; make; make install? =P |
| 21:51.13 | Gnea | stew: thus while your statement holds water about what WILL happen, it is simply not logically sound. |
| 21:51.13 | daww | stouset, make-kpkg |
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| 21:51.16 | abrotman | Gnea: i don't think he said that sarge couldn't run 2.6.10 |
| 21:51.17 | chatter | but it's not very stable |
| 21:51.19 | Gnea | that's my point |
| 21:51.31 | Gnea | abrotman: right, he said sarge isn't going to get 2.6.10 |
| 21:51.33 | PerfDave | daww: So you learned a tool that is useless since you don't need to compile your own kernel :) |
| 21:51.38 | Gnea | which i think is stupid |
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| 21:51.40 | Gnea | but then |
| 21:51.44 | stew | Gnea: 2.6.10 doens't build on alpha |
| 21:51.45 | GooZ | hello |
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| 21:51.46 | Gnea | who cares what some user thinks |
| 21:51.54 | paulswm | daww: Look in the debian reference manual for kernel compile instructions, if you don't have it installed locally it's here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 21:51.55 | Gnea | who runs alphas anymore? |
| 21:52.08 | sigmundk | My uncle, that's who! |
| 21:52.09 | sigmundk | :-P |
| 21:52.15 | cafuego | Gnea: People who can't afford Xeons. |
| 21:52.15 | Gnea | hahahahhaa |
| 21:52.24 | GooZ | sometime ago i saw a debian maintainer list sorted by country... anybody know where is that list ? thanks |
| 21:52.33 | Gnea | cafuego: it's a miracle they can afford rent |
| 21:52.38 | abrotman | Gnea: well .. it may be stupid .. but can't hold up the show forever |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | Gnea: i have 3 alphas here |
| 21:52.43 | cafuego | Gnea: I concur, but there you go. |
| 21:53.13 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:53.14 | Gnea | ok |
| 21:53.14 | stouset | daww: make-kpkg is nice indeed for building your own kernel, but what's the point when the packaged ones work in every case? If there's any performance boost it's likely to be negligible (cf: Gentoo), and you end up screwing yourself when you compile everything statically when your hardware changes, or if you only compile the modules you needed at the time |
| 21:53.17 | dafresh | does i need to stop mysql when a backup the databases with mysqldump ? |
| 21:53.24 | abrotman | Gnea: one is DNS .. one is a router .. the other is under my desk :) |
| 21:53.25 | cafuego | abrotman: I think Gnea means "people who use them for something useful", not "hobbyists". |
| 21:53.27 | dafresh | s/a/i |
| 21:53.34 | dvs | stouset: YOu don't have to deal with initrd |
| 21:53.34 | abrotman | cafuego: dns and router here :) |
| 21:53.41 | Gnea | lol |
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| 21:53.47 | dippo | the packaged ones do not work in every case |
| 21:53.58 | dippo | for some value of work |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | cafuego: come on .. can you think of something better for an old alpha to do? .. route packets and answer DNS :) |
| 21:54.07 | cafuego | abrotman: Can't it even cope with bind9 AND routing on a single cpu? |
| 21:54.26 | dippo | for example, I hadn't a scant hope of doing much on my laptop without compiling my own kernel |
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| 21:54.30 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:54.31 | stouset | dippo: the percentage of cases where they don't work is nearly negligible =P |
| 21:54.33 | paulswm | There are several good reasons for doing custom kernel builds. If you don't want to do it, don't, but don't tell other people not to if they want to try it out and learn |
| 21:54.35 | abrotman | cafuego: they are singleCPU boxes .. |
| 21:54.36 | Gnea | if i had a set of alphas |
| 21:54.42 | cafuego | abrotman: So? |
| 21:54.51 | stouset | dvs: What's wrong with initrd? I've never had to "deal" with it...it just works. |
| 21:54.56 | Gnea | i'd set them up to handle database management |
| 21:54.56 | abrotman | cafuego: i set them up at drastically different times .. |
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| 21:55.14 | abrotman | cafuego: it could handle all on one . but i'd just as soon not considering what's behind the router :) |
| 21:55.18 | cafuego | Gnea: If I had a set of alphas, no piece of paper would ever move again... |
| 21:55.39 | Gnea | cafuego: paper can move? |
| 21:55.42 | daww | stouset, I should learn me to make custom kernels if I want to have a stable server, right? |
| 21:55.43 | toresbe | cafuego: I'm getting an Alpha tomorrow :) |
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| 21:55.57 | cafuego | Gnea: Yeah, it has legs, like scallops! |
| 21:56.02 | stew | daww: no |
| 21:56.03 | stouset | daww: No...? |
| 21:56.07 | Gnea | cafuego: got root?! |
| 21:56.08 | Gnea | #) |
| 21:56.09 | daww | why? |
| 21:56.10 | dvs | daww: You only need a custom kernel if the debian one doesn't work for you. |
| 21:56.13 | doko_ | ccache g++ -fmessage-length=0 -c -I. -I. -I../inc -I../../inc -I../../../inc -I../../../unx/inc -I../../../unxlngx4.pro/inc -I. -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solver/680/unxlngx4.pro/inc/stl -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solver/680/unxlngx4.pro/inc/external -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solver/680/unxlngx4.pro/inc |
| 21:56.13 | doko_ | -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solenv/unxlngx4/inc -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solenv/inc -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/res -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solver/680/unxlngx4.pro/inc/stl -I/home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/solenv/inc/Xp |
| 21:56.15 | doko_ | 31 -I/usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I../../../res -I. -O -fno-strict-aliasing -DSYSTEM_ODBC_HEADERS -pipe -fno-use-cxa-atexit -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -include preinclude.h -fexceptions -fno-enforce-eh-specs -fPIC -DLINUX -DUNX -DVCL -DGCC -DC300 -DX86_64 -DGXX_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/c++/3.4 -DCVER=C300 -D_USE_NAMESPACE -DNPTL -DGLIBC=2 -DX86_64 -D_PTHREADS -D_REENTRANT -DNEW_SOLAR -D_USE_NAMESPACE=1 -DSTLPO |
| 21:56.18 | Gnea | EGADS |
| 21:56.19 | stew | daww: what would that have to do with stability? |
| 21:56.20 | abrotman | what the fuck is that |
| 21:56.22 | cafuego | doko_: STOP! |
| 21:56.23 | doko_ | RT_VERSION=400 -D__DMAKE -DUNIX -DCPPU_ENV=gcc3 -DSUPD=680 -DPRODUCT -DNDEBUG -DPRODUCT_FULL -DOSL_DEBUG_LEVEL=0 -DOPTIMIZE -DEXCEPTIONS_ON -DCUI -DSOLAR_JAVA -DSRC680 -DSHAREDLIB -D_DLL_ -DMULTITHREAD -w -o ../../../unxlngx4.pro/slo/OConnection.o /home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/connectivity/source/drivers/odbc/OConnection.cxx |
| 21:56.28 | doko_ | /home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m79/connectivity/source/drivers/odbc/OConnection.cxx: In member function `virtual rtl::OUString connectivity::odbc::OConnection::getCatalog()': |
| 21:56.30 | foureyes779 | geez |
| 21:56.31 | doko_ | /home/packages/ooo/openoffice.org2-1.9.79.2/ooo-build/build/src680-m7 |
| 21:56.31 | Gnea | !troll doko_ |
| 21:56.31 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 21:56.31 | dafresh | nice |
| 21:56.31 | dippo | an accident, i hope |
| 21:56.34 | Gnea | !ops doko_ |
| 21:56.35 | abrotman | !ops kill doko_ |
| 21:56.35 | stouset | doko_: IRC is not gcc |
| 21:56.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: doko_ |
| 21:56.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kill doko_ |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | oh sure .. now he stops |
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| 21:56.53 | doko_ | sorry, wrong window ... |
| 21:57.03 | abrotman | doko_: no shit? .. you think?> |
| 21:57.07 | Gnea | doko_: YOU'RE NOT EVEN IN #FLOOD |
| 21:57.13 | cafuego | doko_: Please disconnect your mouse. |
| 21:57.19 | dippo | this is so bizarre. if I cat /proc/bus/usb/devices as I just start to move the mouse, it first repeats the text oddly and then disappears entirely |
| 21:57.20 | helix | oh shut up you whiners |
| 21:57.24 | stew | heh |
| 21:57.26 | stew | ircname : Matthias Klose |
| 21:57.26 | travisat | doko_: way to go!!!!1 |
| 21:57.28 | daww | stew, Well, yesterday I asked about "maximized performance" and I was told that a custom kernel is what I'm looking for |
| 21:57.29 | Gnea | lol |
| 21:57.33 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:57.36 | cafuego | !sacrifice helix |
| 21:57.38 | stouset | paulswm: I'm not trying to say there's no point. Got a tiny machine with no breathing room and need to make use of every CPU cycle and byte of ram you can get? Great. But the sad truth is that 99% of people who think rolling your own kernel puts hair on your chest have no real purpose in doing it and usually end up screwing themselves later due to bad module selections. |
| 21:57.41 | helix | I'm not going to "kill" the gcc maintainer |
| 21:57.45 | stew | daww: yeah, and i told you that guy had no idea what he was talking about |
| 21:57.51 | stew | daww: Integer or whomever |
| 21:57.53 | Gnea | ooooh |
| 21:58.00 | dippo | bad module selections can be avoided by using the stock debian kernel config and modifying from there |
| 21:58.01 | doko_ | helix: thanks :) |
| 21:58.01 | helix | (hi doko :) |
| 21:58.04 | cafuego | helix: which gcc? 2.96? |
| 21:58.09 | dippo | although on an older machine it'll take a while |
| 21:58.11 | Gnea | so if someone is a package maintainer, t hen that gives them leniancy to spam the channel |
| 21:58.15 | helix | cafuego: he maintains like, all of them |
| 21:58.16 | stew | Gnea: yes |
| 21:58.24 | helix | plus he's really nice and not a retard like the rest of you |
| 21:58.26 | stew | Gnea: yes |
| 21:58.33 | cafuego | helix: I'll need to have a chat with 'im then about version 4.0 and kernels ;-) |
| 21:58.35 | stouset | daww: Then you were likely misled. The world has no shortage of CPU cycles. The packaged kernels are fast, stable, and are likely far more well-tested that any kernel you roll your own. |
| 21:58.36 | cliechti | i'm going to install sarge and i have a usb drive to boot off, but the i386/rc2 link is very sloooow. should i go with the daily snapshot? |
| 21:58.43 | Gnea | helix: thanks for reminding me |
| 21:59.01 | Gnea | i'll go bang my head against the wall some more |
| 21:59.21 | cafuego | Gnea: Whilst you're there, give the window a lick for me. |
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| 21:59.41 | Gnea | cafuego: i'll break off a piece so you can lick it yourself |
| 21:59.46 | stouset | daww: You spend more time in man-hours compiling a kernel than you save in cpu-hours from the cycles saved by cutting the kernel to the bone |
| 21:59.47 | daww | stouset, Who need a custom kernel then? |
| 21:59.52 | cafuego | Gnea: Ooh, crunchy! |
| 21:59.58 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:00.13 | cafuego | daww: I do. |
| 22:00.22 | daww | cafuego, and why? |
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| 22:00.32 | travisat | stouset: how is the prepackaged kernel more stable than the one I compiled for my computer using the same sources as the precompiled one? |
| 22:00.50 | cafuego | daww: because I 1) need more then 8 loop devices and the module parameter appesrs to not work and 20 I dislike initrd. |
| 22:00.50 | stouset | daww: Embedded folks, folks who have machines where certain options cause breakage, or in systems where the admin is a paranoid freak (not necessarily wrongly) and wants to disable loading of modules entirely |
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| 22:01.18 | stouset | travisat: Because that current configuration has been tested by hundreds if not thousands of users, and your configuration has been tested by you. |
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| 22:01.58 | mirak | I have useless files in my cvs repository. It's binaries that are useless, and it doesn matter to keep versions for this. can I delete them inside the repository ? |
| 22:02.02 | daww | stouset, Yes, that is what make a custom kernel small I I've got this right |
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| 22:02.25 | cafuego | helix: A friend of mine found 2 abandoned kittens at a bus stop. |
| 22:02.33 | stouset | daww: Clarify? That sentence doesn't parse :-) |
| 22:02.36 | dvs | mirak: cvs remove? |
| 22:02.40 | helix | aww |
| 22:02.41 | Ikarus | cafuego: awwww |
| 22:02.48 | mirak | dvs: they are removed already |
| 22:02.49 | stouset | Were they tasty kittens? What a waste. |
| 22:02.53 | Gnea | i found an abandoned cat in the front yard once in the middle of winter |
| 22:02.53 | cafuego | Harry and Ally |
| 22:03.05 | mirak | dvs: but are still phisically present in the repository since cvs keeps everything |
| 22:03.15 | mirak | can I just rm them ? |
| 22:03.16 | Gnea | i was able to bring her inside and called the animal shelter and they came and picked her up |
| 22:03.27 | travisat | stouset: but a properly configured kernel should be just as if not more stable than the prepackaged ones, faster, and smaller |
| 22:03.28 | Gnea | so she wouldn't have to freeze her ass off anymore |
| 22:03.44 | cafuego | Gnea: THis friend's own cat died last year after something fell on her in the house.. |
| 22:03.48 | dvs | mirak: Go to $CVSROOT, find the file,v file and delete it. |
| 22:03.57 | Gnea | cafuego: egads |
| 22:04.01 | cafuego | They came home and found her dead near the front door |
| 22:04.01 | abrotman | cafuego: piece of skylab? |
| 22:04.10 | Gnea | :( |
| 22:04.19 | Gnea | i feel so retarded |
| 22:04.21 | Gnea | :P |
| 22:04.23 | cafuego | abrotman: violin actually |
| 22:04.27 | mirak | dvs: ok thanks that's what I wanted to hear ;) |
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| 22:04.50 | abrotman | cafuego: i could a purely insensitive joke .. i think i'll refrain |
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| 22:04.58 | cafuego | abrotman: *nod* |
| 22:05.14 | BenDrake | I go to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 and i am gettin an error saying that it cant get a lock on /var/cache/archives/lock |
| 22:05.15 | stouset | travisat: Note the phrase "properly configured" :-) But I stand by the fact that the prepackaged ones have far more testing on their configuration, ensuring that they're probably closer to "properly configured" than one you roll your own. And the "faster, smaller" argument is essentially negligible when you're talking about systems with anything over a 1G hard drive and a 200MHz processor (note: numbers pulled out of my ass) |
| 22:05.19 | Gnea | i heard brazilians are back into cyberterrorism again this week |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | wtf is .ve ? |
| 22:05.47 | Ikarus | venezuela |
| 22:05.47 | Gnea | BenDrake: as root? |
| 22:05.48 | stouset | BenDrake: You're likely running more than one instantce of apt-get, aptitude, dpkg... |
| 22:05.56 | cafuego | Gnea: They are? It's mainly been estonians and bulgarians here. |
| 22:06.04 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, 'zgrep :VE: /usr/share/misc/countries.gz' |
| 22:06.05 | BenDrake | yep as root |
| 22:06.14 | paulswm | stouset: late response. I understand your POV, but many learn from their mistakes and experience. And if they screw up a kernel build, they can just fall back to a standard one. |
| 22:06.17 | danilom | i need to print in a dot-matrix printer,, when i make the test from cups is all right but when i print from gnumeric or openoffice doesn work,, i think is sendind the job in ps format, or not?? how can i configure the dot-matrix printer... |
| 22:06.18 | Gnea | cafuego: yeah, i seen a few of 'em kiddy up some php-based sites lately |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | peterS: go ahead .. version me .. all the other kids did it today |
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| 22:06.32 | valdyn_ | BenDrake: you have another apt-get running? |
| 22:06.32 | toomboy | ok any suggestions... i just found out on one of my boxes, some unknown processes running, one was a tmp file /var/lib/tmp/r0nin and then 4 different uselib24, googling states uselib24 was a local exploit. any suggestions what to check to try and trace this to see how did this occur, considerin im only one who has local access. |
| 22:06.39 | peterS | abrotman: they did? what's the occasion? |
| 22:06.39 | BenDrake | nope |
| 22:06.50 | cafuego | abrotman: *know* you run bitchx, there's no need to /ver you. |
| 22:06.52 | abrotman | peterS: i have no idea .. i could just tell you .. but they seem to think it's fun |
| 22:06.56 | BenDrake | 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:06.56 | BenDrake | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 22:06.56 | BenDrake | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 22:07.03 | BenDrake | thats the rest or the error |
| 22:07.09 | abrotman | peterS: feel better? .. no /usr :) |
| 22:07.12 | valdyn_ | BenDrake: if you are sure that you dont have some apt-get or dpkg or a gui to them running, remove that file |
| 22:07.13 | Gnea | mtoomboy: just go to securityfocus.com and look for it |
| 22:07.16 | stouset | paulswm: I couldn't agree more. But people come into the channel reporting problems, and the next thing they mention is that they're fetching kernel sources. You surely can understand why the first reaction is to ask the user to kindly step back from the keyboard for a moment :-) |
| 22:07.22 | peterS | abrotman: /usr? |
| 22:07.49 | abrotman | peterS: you told me to look 'zgrep :VE: /usr/share/misc/countries.gz' .. no /usr |
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| 22:07.58 | peterS | abrotman: ahh. I get it. (: |
| 22:08.05 | stouset | BenDrake: do a "ps aux | egrep "(dpkg|apt)" |
| 22:08.14 | stouset | BenDrake: to look for existing processes |
| 22:08.22 | pack | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.31 | peterS | abrotman: does this mean I can't recommend you apt-get stuff today either? |
| 22:08.38 | abrotman | peterS: not gui stuff |
| 22:08.43 | cafuego | pack: ls > /file.txt 2>&1 |
| 22:08.43 | stouset | pack: command 2>&1 > file |
| 22:08.51 | abrotman | oh .. it's a game now! |
| 22:08.53 | abrotman | it's on! |
| 22:08.56 | peterS | pack: he means >> file 2>&1 |
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| 22:09.06 | stouset | peterS: whoops |
| 22:09.10 | Gnea | pack: just give one two and push it |
| 22:09.13 | Gnea | ;) |
| 22:09.55 | toomboy | gnea: i know how to fix it, im just looking for ideas as to what log files i should begin to scan to see what user executed those files, etc, so i can track that user for other info. |
| 22:10.00 | abrotman | petemc: feel better? |
| 22:10.12 | pack | aw, that was way easier than i thought it would be |
| 22:10.16 | petemc | abrotman: its not very telling |
| 22:10.22 | daww | stouset, what about cafuegos argument "because I 1) need more then 8 loop devices and the module parameter appesrs to not work and 20 I dislike initrd." |
| 22:10.33 | abrotman | petemc: why not .. tells my client,CPU and OS |
| 22:10.41 | peterS | petemc: his version? it tells you what OS version he's got. that's the useful bit |
| 22:10.43 | Ikarus | Just patch the kernel |
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| 22:10.51 | petemc | not for me it didnt |
| 22:11.03 | abrotman | petemc: really? |
| 22:11.04 | nav | Anyone here have their MCSE? |
| 22:11.04 | cafuego | daww: In addition to that I have over 10 years experience of configuring, compiling, installing and fixing broken kernels, though. |
| 22:11.06 | stew | daww: you seem to be hellbent on compiling your own kernel, youve been talking about it for weeks, ffs just do it already |
| 22:11.14 | stouset | daww: No generalization ever applies to everything. Something where you need to get around a hardcoded kernel limit (e.g., 8 loop devices) is a damn fine reason. |
| 22:11.18 | abrotman | nav: wrong channel |
| 22:11.37 | petemc | abrotman: yesh, all i get is [ctcp(abrotman)] VERSION |
| 22:11.44 | nav | Thought there would be some IT pros in here.. Suggest better channeL? |
| 22:11.48 | abrotman | petemc: that's odd |
| 22:11.51 | cafuego | stouset: Well, at the end of the day just rebuilding loop.(k)o is a nice way of getting around that too. |
| 22:11.52 | stouset | daww: I'm not quite sure why he dislikes initrd, but that's his prerogative :-) Long story short, if you think you need to compile your own kernel then by all means go for it. But the likelihood is that you don't really need to but think you do |
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| 22:11.56 | abrotman | nav: debian is linux .. no MCSE required |
| 22:12.00 | peterS | the loop module parameter about number of loop devices doesn't work? |
| 22:12.03 | petemc | abrotman: tis, but im not going to lose any sleep over it :) |
| 22:12.09 | baz | nav: nice troll |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | petemc: i wouldn't either |
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| 22:12.16 | abrotman | petemc: win32 xchat |
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| 22:12.35 | stouset | cafuego: hadn't ever thought of that, but that works too |
| 22:12.39 | cafuego | holy firefox updates, batman |
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| 22:12.56 | BenDrake | yeah, i had to kill some stuff |
| 22:13.00 | petemc | abrotman: v nice :) i assume you have an ssh session to a linux box, why not use irssi, out of interest |
| 22:13.04 | grivell | The current Sarge netiso has a problem with nic-extra modules loading from cd? |
| 22:13.11 | stouset | (17:13:04) dpkg: Mosaic is more useful than Firebird! |
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| 22:13.12 | cafuego | stouset: And to a certain degree, watching gcc output on akernel build *is* zen! |
| 22:13.14 | travisat | I also dislike initrd |
| 22:13.39 | cafuego | stouset: used to look at it for hours when I was stoned and building a new kernel on the 486 <heh> |
| 22:13.47 | paulswm | stouset: Apologies for late response again, dealing with a work issue. You have a good point. I forget about the questions in here. I was thinking solely of the learning. I'll stop bugging you now :) |
| 22:13.53 | travisat | cafuego: thats sad |
| 22:13.56 | stouset | cafuego: last I checked, something in the build process takes the fun out of it nowadays :-( |
| 22:13.56 | stouset | [CC] /usr/src/linux/blah/blah/file.c |
| 22:13.58 | vladster | what is the command to reconfigure xserver, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver and past that I am not sure |
| 22:14.05 | peterS | stouset: make V=1 |
| 22:14.10 | cafuego | stouset: Edit the makefile to get them back. |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | petemc: no reason .. laziness i guess :) |
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| 22:14.20 | peterS | stouset: where V is short for verbose |
| 22:14.20 | stouset | paulswm: Nah, not bugging me |
| 22:14.26 | green_earz | grivell: have you tryed a install with sarge net installer current version. ? |
| 22:14.31 | daww | stouset, ok, the problem was that the kernel image I was running 2 weeks ago didn't find my nvidia card |
| 22:14.34 | stouset | cafuego, peterS: thank god hehe |
| 22:14.43 | abrotman | petemc: i use xchat when in X anyways .. so it's ok .. |
| 22:14.44 | cafuego | travisat: More or less sad than talking to a flower? |
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| 22:14.50 | peterS | stouset: right. ordinarily you don't want V=1 but maybe if you're stoned it makes it more interesting |
| 22:14.54 | travisat | cafuego: less |
| 22:15.02 | cafuego | travisat: There you go ;-) |
| 22:15.05 | grivell | green_earz: On PPC I did just last month. x86, no. Trying now. Load fails on nic-exta-modules |
| 22:15.06 | stouset | daww: Compiling your own won't fix that. The prepackaged one already contains every driver as a module. |
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| 22:15.14 | daww | stouset, but my custom kernel find it |
| 22:15.15 | travisat | cafuego: at least it has some intelligent aspect ot it |
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| 22:15.28 | daww | stouset, true |
| 22:15.33 | green_earz | grivell:http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050313/ |
| 22:15.40 | cafuego | travisat: What, staring is more intelligent then conversation? |
| 22:15.54 | cafuego | travisat: Ever tried that on women? ;-) |
| 22:16.08 | stouset | daww: I'd far more readily chalk that up to user error, no offense, than a problem with the prepackaged kernel. It's not like there's some surrepetitious "bork on nvidia driver load" option that the package maintainers accidentally left on. |
| 22:16.18 | travisat | cafuego: hmmm I believe I have been taken out of context |
| 22:16.40 | stouset | vladster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:17.07 | green_earz | grivell: start the install off with the linux26 so that the 2.6 kernel is installed from the start. may help ? |
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| 22:17.07 | vladster | thankyou |
| 22:17.07 | peterS | !stouset++ |
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| 22:17.23 | daww | stouset, no it's not what I ment but I think I need to install nvidia drivers even if I run a kernel-image |
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| 22:18.36 | cafuego | daww: yes, the thing is you need to forcefully load the nvidia driver at bootup, as it doesn't auto-load. Just add it in /etc/modules or soemthing. |
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| 22:19.08 | jcook | is it possible to a make-kpkg module with only the kernel headers ? |
| 22:19.19 | cafuego | jcook: yes |
| 22:19.19 | stouset | daww: There are nvidia-provided binary drivers available. They tell you you need to compile the kernel from source and include them but you really don't have to. The kernel-headers are provided as a package so that you can compile against them without having to rebuild the entire kernel. I did that with my network card driver (ipw2200) and video card driver (fglrx) the other day. |
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| 22:19.43 | stew | daww: i thought this was a server? |
| 22:19.45 | jcook | cafuego: just cd into the kernel headers dir and make-kpkg module ? |
| 22:19.51 | cafuego | jcook: yep. |
| 22:19.59 | stouset | stew: A Quake III server ;) |
| 22:20.04 | cafuego | jcook: make-kpkg modules-image |
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| 22:20.14 | jcook | cafuego: yeah |
| 22:20.15 | jcook | cool |
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| 22:20.31 | stew | stouset: would a quake3 server require nvidia drivers? |
| 22:20.35 | daww | stew, No, it's a desktop, but I lay up a server when I'm ready |
| 22:20.37 | cafuego | Eh, my Slack 3 box has a newr openssh then the Ubuntu amd64 one |
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| 22:20.40 | stouset | stew: If you're playing on it too, sure! |
| 22:20.44 | pandom | !motd |
| 22:20.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, motd is the Message Of The Day |
| 22:20.59 | stouset | cafuego: doesn't module-assistant handle that now? I haven't used it...I still prefer just cd'ing to the modules directory and running debian/rules binary-modules :-) |
| 22:21.00 | pandom | anyone knows who updates motd? |
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| 22:21.12 | stew | pandom: which motd? |
| 22:21.17 | green_earz | daww: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 22:21.18 | cafuego | stouset: never used module-assistant, no idea. |
| 22:21.24 | pandom | anyone knows who updates motd? my motd shows the kernel version etc stew |
| 22:21.31 | pandom | stew, /etc/motd |
| 22:21.43 | stew | pandom: you do |
| 22:21.50 | peterS | openssh 4 is out? |
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| 22:21.58 | pandom | stew, i mean what program updates it |
| 22:21.59 | stouset | stew: check /etc/default/rcS |
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| 22:22.09 | peterS | huh. sure enough. |
| 22:22.13 | stouset | pandom, even |
| 22:22.14 | cafuego | peterS: 4.0p1 I think |
| 22:22.16 | jefff | hey after i install bittorrent.deb how do i envoke it from my console? |
| 22:22.28 | pandom | what program updates /etc/motd ? |
| 22:22.30 | peterS | cafuego: right. 4.0 would be openbsd, 4.0p1 would be for everyone else in the world |
| 22:22.32 | stouset | pandom: /etc/default/rcS lets you configure that |
| 22:22.33 | stew | pandom: grep motd /etc/rcS.d |
| 22:22.35 | petemc | jefff: btdownloadcurses |
| 22:22.45 | pandom | stouset, stew danke |
| 22:22.47 | b00 | hello. my apt system might be broken. Each time i try to update from sources that work for others, i get Err Bad header line. How can I fix this ? |
| 22:22.51 | daww | stouset, thats intresting |
| 22:23.06 | cafuego | oh that's right, the posix patches wasn't it? |
| 22:23.18 | stouset | peterS: Got a link to an openssh 4.0 overview? Curious to know what the differences are. Looking for a bit more verbose than a changelog :-) |
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| 22:23.36 | peterS | cafuego: 'portable openssh'. with autoconf-generated configure script etc. the openbsd version doesn't have any of that stuf |
| 22:23.40 | stouset | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:23.40 | peterS | stuff |
| 22:23.40 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 22:24.05 | stouset | Although I'm sure it could be done in seventeen characters in perl. |
| 22:24.13 | green_earz | jefff: check out apt-cache show bittornado-gui |
| 22:24.40 | stouset | daww: copy/paste that, and you should have a working nvidia driver for X |
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| 22:25.01 | stouset | Mornin', karsten. |
| 22:25.03 | jefff | green_earz, will that work with bit torrent 4.9 |
| 22:25.05 | jefff | green_earz, will that work with bit torrent 4.0 |
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| 22:25.30 | mufa | isn't easier to use nvida driver from nvidia? |
| 22:25.37 | stouset | mufa: No. |
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| 22:26.12 | stouset | mufa: The one provided by nvidia is an absolute generic one. The one packaged for Debian has specific Debian customizations that make it interoperate with the rest of the distro a lot more nicely. |
| 22:26.13 | mufa | stouset: seriously, is anything wrong with that driver? |
| 22:26.13 | green_earz | jefff: sorry i do not know but its downloaded all my needs with no problem |
| 22:26.33 | mufa | stouset: I see, thank you |
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| 22:27.21 | MobyTurbo | stouset: there's only one problem, if you're running sid, nvidia-glx has some dependencies in transition. |
| 22:27.39 | MobyTurbo | stouset: and of course sarge has no nvidia packages at present |
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| 22:28.14 | stouset | mufa: Anything wrong with it? Not that I know. But I'd prefer the Debian installation of it over fetching from nvidia directly for the same reason that I use Debian's bash, Debian's GNOME, and all the other Debian packages rather than going and getting them directly from the source. |
| 22:28.33 | daww | stouset, thanks |
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| 22:29.11 | stouset | MobyTurbo: fair enough, but that's a temporary problem; I'd wager you could get around the dependency problem by grabbing versions directly from the pool or from incoming |
| 22:29.12 | jefff | green_earz, how do i envoke it |
| 22:29.16 | mufa | stouset: maybe, but it's more easier to install them from nvidia |
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| 22:29.57 | green_earz | jefff: bittornado-gui |
| 22:30.02 | mufa | it's easier, excuse my bad english |
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| 22:30.15 | chealer | mufa: why% |
| 22:30.17 | stouset | mufa: Perhaps. But I'd rather it go into dpkg than bother with remembering it on my own. |
| 22:30.29 | jefff | green_earz, says command not found |
| 22:30.30 | stouset | mufa: Good luck remembering to upgrade it, have fun uninstalling it, etc. |
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| 22:30.50 | mufa | stouset: it just makes a kernel module :D |
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| 22:31.04 | green_earz | jefff: just wait a min |
| 22:31.04 | soth` | s there a free/open source version of cpanel? |
| 22:31.11 | SiliconViper | webmin? |
| 22:31.20 | MobyTurbo | !webmin |
| 22:31.20 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 22:31.35 | stouset | mufa: So does the Debian one =P Notice that nearly all of the commands in that long string are just apt-get install's to fetch required packages or the driver itself :-) |
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| 22:31.47 | SiliconViper | !cpanel |
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| 22:32.03 | stouset | mufa: And of course, if you already have that one-liner, it's even easier than nvidia's installer :-) Highlight, middle click, enter. |
| 22:32.05 | paulswm | webmin sucks in several different ways |
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| 22:32.35 | chealer | MobyTurbo: which dependencies? |
| 22:32.36 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.37 | stouset | paulswm: You're forgetting a few. |
| 22:32.40 | SiliconViper | I'm not a webmin fan, but from memory, it seems similar to cpanel. |
| 22:32.46 | jefff | thx |
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| 22:33.27 | MobyTurbo | chealer: nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 is what nvidia-glx complains about |
| 22:33.27 | mufa | stouset: maybe U are right, but I have tried both ways and I found apt-get method much too complicated for my simple mind |
| 22:33.50 | stouset | mufa: Copy/paste too hard? :-) |
| 22:34.02 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 22:34.02 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:34.05 | directhex | there's a confusion, because there's an old 66.whatever nvidia-kewrnel-common still in sarge |
| 22:34.15 | mufa | stouset: where were you when I had to install my nvidia card ? |
| 22:34.36 | directhex | try apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx |
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| 22:34.50 | Tinky | Im trying to d.l the latest sarge dvd isos with jigdo but my connection got reset a way through ive started again and it seems to pick up where it left off but is there any way to check when its completed that everything has been d.l? |
| 22:34.54 | chealer | MobyTurbo: looks like a virtual package |
| 22:35.04 | MobyTurbo | chealer: yeah, that's what it says |
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| 22:35.31 | MobyTurbo | chealer: but nvidia-glx bitches about its absense |
| 22:35.40 | pandom | what does this do? sed 1d $MOTD >> $MOTD.tmp |
| 22:35.45 | directhex | nvidia-kernel-foo is the virtual package which signifies you have the kernel module for foo version of nvidia-glx |
| 22:35.45 | stouset | mufa: No clue, but http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html is the first entry for a google of "Debian nvidia" |
| 22:35.47 | pandom | i dont' understand the 1d |
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| 22:36.08 | chealer | MobyTurbo: you must provide it yourself. I didn't update my drivers yet though |
| 22:36.11 | daww | stouset, I can just use the nvidia one-liner after "apt-get install kernel-image-x.x.x"? |
| 22:36.13 | green_earz | jefff: is the box you are runing on a static ip and are you behind a fire wall. if so portforward the your ip to the box port 6881 to 6889 and on the client as well |
| 22:36.19 | stouset | pandom: If you're trying to make it so Debian doesn't overwrite your /etc/motd, just change that one config entry I told you about |
| 22:36.24 | directhex | daww, yes, after rebooting into that new kernel |
| 22:36.29 | stouset | daww: yes |
| 22:36.37 | pandom | stouset, i want to understand the sed line |
| 22:36.40 | stouset | daww: reboot first, though, as directhex says :-) |
| 22:36.40 | ideafix | were can i register for gmail ? |
| 22:36.52 | Tinky | can anyone help me? |
| 22:36.53 | MobyTurbo | at any rate, since I needed the new version for my old TNT2 card, I grabbed the nvidia.com package. I do reccomend if possible to use the one in Debian, however. |
| 22:36.54 | mufa | stouset: I still think that running a damn sh file from nvidia is much easier :) |
| 22:37.05 | pandom | what does this do? sed 1d $MOTD >> $MOTD.tmp |
| 22:37.13 | directhex | it's easier if you're a retard & don't use module assistant |
| 22:37.22 | directhex | and don't mind everything breaking every time X is updated |
| 22:37.29 | stouset | pandom: man sed |
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| 22:37.45 | stouset | mufa: And much more likely to make your system break :-) |
| 22:37.51 | xophEr | ideafix, you cant register, you need someone to invite you. Invites arent hard to come by though.. |
| 22:37.53 | pandom | stouset, i don't know what 1d does? is it delete the 1st line? |
| 22:37.55 | directhex | for those who use module assistant, the debian packages are easy |
| 22:37.58 | stouset | pandom: man sed |
| 22:37.58 | mufa | directhex: don't know what module assistant so i'm a retard |
| 22:38.01 | daww | stouset, ok, is there something that I need to replace/add in the nvidia one-liner? |
| 22:38.02 | netgod | pandom: try sed 1d /etc/motd |
| 22:38.06 | ideafix | i dont know anybody |
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| 22:38.15 | directhex | daww, why, isn't it working? |
| 22:38.24 | stouset | daww: Not that I know of. That's why it's a one-liner :-) It not working for you? |
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| 22:38.41 | daww | Just asking, now I will try |
| 22:38.42 | jwbee | greets. what is the way to expose ethernet interface counters to snmpd on a Debian box? I installed snmpd but it doesn't seem to know anything about interfaces |
| 22:38.47 | mufa | stouset: didn't happen to break the system so far |
| 22:38.48 | stouset | mufa: module-assistant is a tool to build modules for the kernel that aren't included in the kernel themselves |
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| 22:39.15 | stouset | mufa: So far is the key word. The "debian way" is tested and known to work on Debian. The nvidia way is a crapshoot. |
| 22:39.26 | mufa | stouset: thank you |
| 22:39.27 | directhex | for example, m-a a-i nvidia will download kernel headers for your kernel, nvidia kernel source, and build & install a module for your running kernel |
| 22:39.37 | directhex | and provide detailed reasonning why not if it doesn't |
| 22:39.38 | stouset | mufa: And then there's the whole part about not putting anything in the dpkg database... |
| 22:39.55 | ideafix | iof the driver was compiled on the kernal would it have much preformance gains ? |
| 22:40.12 | ideafix | oposed to module ? |
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| 22:40.18 | directhex | no |
| 22:40.22 | stouset | ideafix: if any, negligible |
| 22:40.23 | xam | ideafix: no performance differenced |
| 22:40.31 | xam | differences |
| 22:40.35 | ideafix | ok |
| 22:40.45 | stouset | ideafix: although I doubt, since AFAIK it simply loads the module as a shared object |
| 22:40.52 | phogg | When I try to apt-cache search for something I get the message: File size limit exceeded. What's going on? |
| 22:40.55 | MobyTurbo | ideafix: <gentoo>OMG, LOL, If it's compiled by yourself it's faster!!</gentoo> |
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| 22:41.23 | daww | stouset, Is it possible to use nvidia one-liner for a custom kernel, or should I use anohter method? |
| 22:41.25 | chealer | daww: it's not explicit in the one-liner what you'll need to do with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 though |
| 22:41.26 | stouset | MobyTurbo: -O3 makes my programs fly!...after the five minute load off the hard disk |
| 22:41.38 | chealer | daww: see the debian-nvidia howto for that |
| 22:41.39 | stouset | daww: should work for a custom kernel, AFAIK |
| 22:41.39 | ideafix | is gcc 4 in gentoo ? |
| 22:41.56 | stew | ideafix: wrong channel |
| 22:42.02 | dna_ | Is there a program out there to create binural beats? |
| 22:42.03 | valdyn_ | daww: just skip the part that installs a debian header package |
| 22:42.06 | ideafix | is gcc 4 in debian ? |
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| 22:42.08 | MobyTurbo | ideafix: you DON'T want to compile your programs with an unreleased gcc. |
| 22:42.09 | stouset | daww: all that one-liner does is fetch the needed utilities to build the module in the first place, fetches headers for your currently running kernel, and compiles the module against those headers |
| 22:42.11 | daww | chealer, dpkg-reconfigure... is no problem (just remove glx, and dri) |
| 22:42.17 | stouset | daww: Should be foolproof. Again, is something not working? |
| 22:42.19 | daww | chealer, but you're right |
| 22:42.27 | MobyTurbo | ideafix: unless you're a gcc developer |
| 22:42.28 | stew | ideafix: no |
| 22:42.28 | directhex | daww, yes, it works fine, as long as you don't get the kernel-headers package, and have a symlink to your configured kernel source from /usr/src/linux |
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| 22:42.46 | ideafix | ive read gcc4 has some major performace boosts |
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| 22:42.55 | Rawplayer | ideafix: like? |
| 22:42.59 | directhex | chealer, there's a max length on factoids which is hard to follow |
| 22:42.59 | stew | ideafix: it won't be in debian until after sarge releases |
| 22:43.14 | valdyn_ | ideafix: no it doesnt |
| 22:43.34 | valdyn_ | ideafix: it has a new optimising infrastructure |
| 22:43.36 | chealer | directhex: yeah...it's still problematic. I point to nvidia-howto for newbies anyway |
| 22:43.36 | ideafix | cant recall the actuall thecnical slang but they claim it to |
| 22:43.56 | xam | ideafix: not really. However it will provide many possibilities for new optimization algorighms. Don't expect major performace improvements until 4.1 |
| 22:44.04 | daww | Should I rather use the nvidia one-liner rather then use this howto: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ ? |
| 22:44.10 | stew | ideafix: who is they? |
| 22:44.16 | stouset | Jesus christ...does everyone magically enter orgasm mode when someone mentions "performance gains"? We have four billion terahertz processors with 0.001% utilization and people wet themselves when they hear something is faster. |
| 22:44.19 | ideafix | the news ppl |
| 22:44.20 | daww | in both custom and prepackage kernels |
| 22:44.22 | directhex | daww, why are you still here? it should be done & working by now |
| 22:44.23 | chealer | daww: actually, ADD glx, remove dri and glcore. and switch driver from nv to nvidia |
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| 22:44.33 | stew | ideafix: who? |
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| 22:44.41 | stouset | I swear to god I don't notice a difference between my old 400MHz laptop and this new 2GHz centrino M on Debian. |
| 22:44.49 | directhex | stouset, ~10% speed gain on amd64 between gcc 3.3 and 3.4. that's not to be sniffed at |
| 22:44.57 | chealer | daww: nvidia one-liner doesn't work for custom kernels. |
| 22:44.58 | ideafix | do i need to find the page for you ? |
| 22:45.04 | stouset | directhex: No, it's great, but people act like it's the second coming of Christ. |
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| 22:45.09 | ideafix | so you can read it for your self ? |
| 22:45.16 | ideafix | google it |
| 22:45.19 | calin | is there a calculator for the command line that I could do 'echo "23+(8*90)-(2*83)" | <calc prog>' with? |
| 22:45.23 | chealer | daww: I recommend nvidia-howto for the first time you do it (one-liner is good to remember) |
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| 22:45.46 | stouset | directhex: And of course, the next time gcc improves by 10% it'll only be a 9% improvement over the first iteration. Diminishing returns and all that. |
| 22:45.54 | valdyn_ | ideafix: if you read the same article that I read, read it more carefully, theres no mention of already implemented performance improvements |
| 22:45.57 | directhex | stouset, if they cared, they'd be using PathScale EKO. or Portland |
| 22:45.58 | stouset | calin: bc |
| 22:46.18 | ideafix | and it does fortran too |
| 22:46.25 | stouset | directhex: I'm guessing those are crazy-fast compilers? |
| 22:46.28 | stouset | ideafix: Fortran95. |
| 22:46.50 | directhex | daww, if you're following the howto guide, make sure to add "-t unstable" to any & all apt-get commands. this is important. |
| 22:46.54 | dabreegster | I installed libsdl1.2-debian and it doesn't have the sgvalib video driver enabled, I don't think. So I apt-got source libsdl1.2-debian. The .diff for it had svga enabled. So wouldn't the binary have had it enabled too? I'm going to dpkg-buildpackage it when these required libraries are done downloading. |
| 22:47.00 | calin | thanks |
| 22:47.07 | ideafix | fortran programs are hard to catch since they run way too fast :-) |
| 22:47.12 | dabreegster | It just seems like the binary should have svga enabled in the source had it like that in the .diff by default. |
| 22:47.13 | directhex | stouset, they're compilers for supercomputing applications. ICC can be fast at times too |
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| 22:47.26 | stouset | dabreegster: the binary would have it enabled if it was enabled in the source download |
| 22:47.42 | stouset | directhex: The chinese teenagers in my basement are fast enough for me. |
| 22:47.49 | stouset | directhex: They compile all my source by hand. |
| 22:48.00 | daww | directhex, I know |
| 22:48.07 | dna_ | what program keeps your system sync with the atomic clock? |
| 22:48.09 | cafuego | !23+(8*90)-(2*83)" |
| 22:48.12 | directhex | dabreegster, you want libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 22:48.16 | cafuego | dna_: ntpdate |
| 22:48.16 | stouset | I yell --funroll-loops at them until my throat is sore |
| 22:48.20 | valdyn_ | dna_: ntpd |
| 22:48.21 | dna_ | thank you |
| 22:48.26 | directhex | --funroll-all-loops |
| 22:48.27 | dabreegster | stouset: hmm, cause when I run vecteroids, a SDL app, on the commandline without X running, it can't find a video device. Svgalib works fine on my box. I even tried setting SDL_VIDEODEVICE to svgalib like the manual said |
| 22:48.27 | stouset | dna_: ntp |
| 22:48.33 | cafuego | stouset: one -, not two. |
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| 22:48.34 | dabreegster | directhex: I think I did get that, let me check |
| 22:49.00 | stouset | dabreegster: Can't help you, friend. I just know that if it's enabled in the source, it's enabled in the binary. The same configuration is used on both by policy. |
| 22:49.02 | dabreegster | directhex: yeah, I've got that |
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| 22:49.07 | dabreegster | odd |
| 22:49.09 | ideafix | cafuego: you are still here ? |
| 22:49.12 | dabreegster | I'll try anyway I guess |
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| 22:49.28 | cafuego | ideafix: yes,a dn i'll continue to be here for many more seconds. |
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| 22:49.38 | cafuego | ideafix: try not to troll today. |
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| 22:49.54 | ideafix | i think youve been here for ever |
| 22:50.08 | stouset | !seen cafuego |
| 22:50.08 | dpkg | cafuego is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 47418 messages. Is idling for 30s |
| 22:50.11 | gringo | hi.. please, I need some help. I follower like 6 differents articles to configure NAT but I couldn't work it out.. I don't know what am I missing |
| 22:50.14 | cafuego | ideafix: I am the sky, I am the earth. I am. |
| 22:50.18 | stouset | 47418 message? Probably damn close to forever. |
| 22:50.23 | stouset | !seen me |
| 22:50.23 | dpkg | me <~daniel@tc26.chem.vu.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13d 5h 8m 29s ago, saying: 'can anyone help with getting an external monitor to run?'. |
| 22:50.25 | ideafix | sure |
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| 22:50.41 | ultraslow | hy i need a wget paste of the speed of a download from sa fast server |
| 22:50.42 | cafuego | stouset: Those are 47418 messages whilst dpkg was here too |
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| 22:50.47 | ultraslow | wget http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/wget/wget-1.7.1.tar.gz |
| 22:50.57 | stouset | cafuego: I've been here three days. Wouldn't know how long that is. |
| 22:51.13 | stouset | "paste of the speed of a download"?" |
| 22:51.38 | streuner | ultraslow: hehe :-) |
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| 22:51.58 | leOn | hello |
| 22:52.01 | gringo | ultraslow, I downloaded it at 60 k/s :) |
| 22:52.05 | ultraslow | like this sorry my eng is rusty L( |
| 22:52.16 | stouset | ultraslow: I downloaded that in about 1 second, on a sickeningly-fast connection at my university. |
| 22:52.18 | ultraslow | i need something over 1Mb/s |
| 22:52.23 | gringo | :( |
| 22:52.24 | cafuego | ultraslow: 09:52:16 (45.67 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.0.tar.bz2' saved [33255278] |
| 22:52.34 | stouset | How's 8MB/s? |
| 22:52.34 | slocate | does xmms play *.cda files? |
| 22:52.34 | cafuego | ultraslow: That good enough for you? |
| 22:52.39 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: that smells like a local machine... |
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| 22:52.43 | stouset | cafuego: You win. |
| 22:52.44 | ultraslow | cafuego |
| 22:52.45 | ideafix | i got fast dls i just cant find stuff to dl ! |
| 22:52.49 | gringo | I thought it was fast.. 60 k/s!! |
| 22:52.51 | ultraslow | i nned the hole this |
| 22:52.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That *is* a local machine. |
| 22:52.54 | ultraslow | like this pls |
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| 22:53.03 | ultraslow | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.03 | ultraslow | --12:07:41-- http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/wget/wget-1.7.tar.gz |
| 22:53.04 | ultraslow | => `wget-1.7.tar.gz' |
| 22:53.04 | ultraslow | Resolving ftp.gnu.org... done. |
| 22:53.04 | ultraslow | Connecting to ftp.gnu.org[199.232.41.7]:80... connected. |
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| 22:53.08 | gringo | all of you have a faster connection than mine? :( |
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| 22:53.14 | phogg | gringo: it was 200k/sec for me... |
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| 22:53.19 | cafuego | ultraslow: Hint: no spam. |
| 22:53.24 | ultraslow | yes sorry |
| 22:53.33 | dabreegster | gringo: no way my 28.8 dialup is slower than yours |
| 22:53.43 | cafuego | ultraslow: Any reason you need to know how fast everyone's connection is? |
| 22:53.45 | gringo | dabreegster, you've made me happier |
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| 22:53.45 | ultraslow | cafuego pls give me in prv the hole thing pls |
| 22:53.52 | stouset | gringo: Yes. Open source software has allowed us all to become affluent enough to afford OC-192s. |
| 22:53.55 | dimes | Hola All. |
| 22:53.57 | ultraslow | a beer bet |
| 22:53.58 | ultraslow | :D |
| 22:53.59 | ultraslow | pls |
| 22:54.00 | stouset | gringo: Either that or we're all on university networks. |
| 22:54.04 | ultraslow | lot's of beers |
| 22:54.06 | ultraslow | :) |
| 22:54.08 | ultraslow | pls |
| 22:54.13 | dabreegster | gringo: I might be getting cable soon though. Then I can laugh. |
| 22:54.13 | stouset | !beer ultraslow |
| 22:54.14 | dimes | Is there any reason why there is not a libapache2-mod-auth-ldap pkg? |
| 22:54.21 | cafuego | ultraslow: What's the *point* ? |
| 22:54.24 | gringo | stouset, I think my university's networkshould download at 10k at most :) |
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| 22:54.37 | ultraslow | i will win the bet |
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| 22:54.58 | phogg | ultraslow: what are the win conditions? |
| 22:54.58 | stouset | dimes: libapache-mod-ldap, libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir |
| 22:55.00 | dean | could anyone tell me how to get hold of the debian drivers for a ati 9600? |
| 22:55.07 | stouset | dimes: apt-cache search apache ldap |
| 22:55.12 | ultraslow | the fastest speed wins |
| 22:55.12 | danilom | if my software send a ps file when print,, how can i prit it from a dot matrix printer |
| 22:55.13 | cafuego | ultraslow: what bet? |
| 22:55.14 | ultraslow | :D |
| 22:55.15 | stouset | dean: google fglrx debian |
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| 22:55.21 | dimes | stouset: libapache-mod-ldap is useable for apache2? |
| 22:55.23 | cafuego | ultraslow: Please, go find a hobby. |
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| 22:55.29 | ultraslow | with my friends |
| 22:55.31 | blahmandublin | hello everyone.. |
| 22:55.37 | ultraslow | cafuego |
| 22:55.41 | stouset | dean: echo "deb http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/ ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update |
| 22:55.44 | blahmandublin | dont suppose someone here could help me with a quick question? |
| 22:55.46 | phogg | ultraslow: sp why do the download speeds of random strangers matter? |
| 22:55.52 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: just ask. |
| 22:55.54 | ultraslow | pls and i will leave |
| 22:55.56 | MobyTurbo | !tell blahmandublin about ask |
| 22:55.59 | valdyn_ | --23:55:34-- http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/wget/wget-1.7.tar.gz |
| 22:55.59 | valdyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.59 | valdyn_ | Auflösen des Hostnamen »ftp.gnu.org«.... 199.232.41.7 |
| 22:55.59 | valdyn_ | Verbindungsaufbau zu ftp.gnu.org[199.232.41.7]:80... verbunden. |
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| 22:56.04 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Actually, my hosting provider have upped their link, 5.2Mb from ftp.au.linux.org now. |
| 22:56.04 | directhex | urgh. fglrx |
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| 22:56.07 | blahmandublin | sorry.. |
| 22:56.12 | blahmandublin | I have a machine with 4 processors.. |
| 22:56.19 | directhex | !tell dean about ati drivers |
| 22:56.20 | stouset | dimes: Looking at the /etc/apache2/mods-available directory on my webserver, it looks like the ldap module is already there. |
| 22:56.23 | gringo | I need some help. I followed like 6 differents articles to configure NAT but I couldn't work it out.. I don't know what am I missing |
| 22:56.26 | stouset | dimes: a2enmod ldap |
| 22:56.27 | blahmandublin | where do i set the 4 to work in the kernel? |
| 22:56.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: nice... yeah, I only get ~ 5M/s from the usc and berkeley mirrors... |
| 22:56.35 | cafuego | stouset: a2enmod |
| 22:56.35 | ideafix | lots of spam in here lately |
| 22:56.49 | stouset | cafuego: didn't I just say that? :-) |
| 22:56.51 | directhex | blahmandublin, use a -smp kernel-image package, e.g. kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 22:56.55 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: you just use an SMP kernel, and make sure that the N CPU is >=4 |
| 22:57.03 | dimes | a2enmod?? |
| 22:57.05 | cafuego | stouset: *slap* |
| 22:57.06 | slocate | does xmms play *.cda files? |
| 22:57.07 | blahmandublin | its not in the menuconfig |
| 22:57.07 | blahmandublin | ? |
| 22:57.08 | dean | stouset: sorry i dont understand i only get debian installed this morning |
| 22:57.12 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: sure it is. |
| 22:57.13 | stouset | cafuego: What was that for :-( |
| 22:57.13 | blahmandublin | just SMP support. no number tho |
| 22:57.18 | blahmandublin | nope.. |
| 22:57.21 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: which kernel version? |
| 22:57.21 | blahmandublin | 2.4.18 its not |
| 22:57.22 | stouset | dean: a2enmod is a program to enable modules in your apache configuration |
| 22:57.24 | cafuego | dimes: Please tell me you DID check the documentation before you ran apache2! |
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| 22:57.35 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: 2.4.18 supports up to 8 without a number of processors, iirc. |
| 22:57.40 | pandom | how to know if my clock UTC or not? |
| 22:57.44 | dimes | cafuego: I am just a bit suprised to find it part of the apache2 pkg |
| 22:57.47 | blahmandublin | nope.. |
| 22:57.49 | stouset | dean: the ldap module comes stock with apache2, so it would seem. It's not enabled by default, presumably for security reasons, so run "a2enmod ldap" to enable the module. |
| 22:57.50 | blahmandublin | just one works.. |
| 22:57.56 | dondelelcaro | blahmandublin: then you haven't enabled SMP |
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| 22:58.03 | blahmandublin | ok.. Ill check it again.. |
| 22:58.05 | blahmandublin | thanks guys! |
| 22:58.07 | stouset | pandom: Compare the time against UTC? =P |
| 22:58.12 | cafuego | blahmandublin: Newer kernels have an option to set max processors. You'll find a 2.6 kernel will be a LOT more efficient on yopur machine than a 2.4 one. |
| 22:58.13 | green_earz | dean: is it 3d graphic you want. ? if so nvidia should be your best chause |
| 22:58.16 | stew | pandom: do you dual boot with windows? |
| 22:58.18 | dimes | cool, I have been hand enabling mods |
| 22:58.19 | dabreegster | Now here's a problem. I've got the libsdl1.2debian-all package, version 1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1, on my sarge box. The description clearly states that svga is compiled in. Yet when I run vecteroids as a test, it'll say no video drivers found (when X ain't running.) Even with the SDL_VIDEODRIVER |
| 22:58.23 | dimes | Thank you guys |
| 22:58.32 | cafuego | dimes: See also 'a2ensite' |
| 22:58.37 | ideafix | how long does a gmail acount last since last visit ? |
| 22:58.37 | stouset | dimes: I am as well. I was also surprised to find the proxy and proxy_connect modules there by default, too. I only know about a2enmod because I was doing that this morning :-) |
| 22:58.40 | ultraslow | <cafuego> pls |
| 22:58.40 | dabreegster | Sorry. Even with the SDL_VIDEODRIVER variable set to "svgalib", it'll say no video drivers found. |
| 22:58.40 | blahmandublin | thank you cafuego |
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| 22:58.49 | cafuego | ultraslow: Stop harassing me. |
| 22:58.52 | dabreegster | ideafix: I think 30 days |
| 22:58.58 | stouset | dimes: Yes, I really like the new apache configuration layout. Much more modular/easy to admin. |
| 22:59.00 | ideafix | that sucks |
| 22:59.01 | pandom | stew, no |
| 22:59.07 | stew | pandom: then choose utc |
| 22:59.10 | dean | no i just want my tv out to work :D im guessing the offical ati drivers would be the best shot |
| 22:59.13 | ultraslow | why won;t u help me i'm asking a lot from u? |
| 22:59.13 | pandom | stouset, i mean the computer clock |
| 22:59.17 | cafuego | ideafix: Just enable it via pop3 in your mail client. |
| 22:59.21 | stouset | dimes: Also, it does a good job of keeping module-specific configuration out of the main config |
| 22:59.27 | stew | pandom: clocks should be set to utc, but windows mucks with that for some unknown reason |
| 22:59.27 | ideafix | i dont have gmail |
| 22:59.32 | pandom | stew, how to know it's utc or not? |
| 23:00.02 | stew | pandom: if its not, you should set it to utc |
| 23:00.06 | green_earz | dean: sorry wrong direction |
| 23:00.09 | ideafix | tthe mail i have dont lets you login thru pop unless you hand them some $$ |
| 23:00.13 | pandom | stew, how |
| 23:00.14 | cafuego | stouset: And it's easier to batch add vhosts via scripts :-) |
| 23:00.23 | stouset | cafuego: Aye :-) |
| 23:00.35 | stew | pandom: are you at a prompt that is asking you if you want utc or not? |
| 23:00.36 | cafuego | ideafix: get a gmaila ccount the, that does pop3/smtp as well as webmail. |
| 23:00.45 | stouset | cafuego: apache2 is quite sexy; I hope it picks up some more momentum |
| 23:00.51 | dafresh | is there any probleme with mysqld in sid ? |
| 23:00.56 | pandom | stew, no |
| 23:00.58 | ideafix | were do i get one ? |
| 23:00.58 | stew | pandom: if so, say yes. when you are done type "date" and if its the wrong time, then you can change it |
| 23:01.01 | stouset | dafresh: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:01.19 | ideafix | you have to have friends in high places to get a gmail acount |
| 23:01.20 | dafresh | stouset: thx :) |
| 23:01.22 | stew | pandom: /etc/rcS/default is the place in debian where the utc settings is |
| 23:01.42 | pandom | stew, i see |
| 23:01.45 | cafuego | ideafix: /msg me an email address and I'll make gmail send you an invitation. |
| 23:01.45 | pandom | stew, danke |
| 23:01.45 | ideafix | gmail is 1337 |
| 23:02.19 | PerfDave | ideafix: /msg dpkg gmail |
| 23:02.36 | PerfDave | "gmail, because you want total strangers indexing your e-mail" |
| 23:02.37 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.43 | phogg | when trying apt-cache or apt-get operations I'm getting a "File size limit exceeded" message. What file? What limit? |
| 23:02.45 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 23:03.12 | cafuego | PerfDave: Would what be worse or better then MS analysing your email for revenue purposes? |
| 23:03.29 | PerfDave | cafuego: MS don't analyse my e-mal. |
| 23:03.39 | stouset | You know, I've seen dpkg disparage KDE, RedHat, SuSE, Gentoo, etc...anything particularly savory against GNOME? |
| 23:03.45 | PerfDave | !gnome |
| 23:03.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 23:03.48 | cafuego | PerfDave: So you do you know what they do with hotmail? |
| 23:03.54 | PerfDave | cafuego: I don't use hotmail. |
| 23:03.55 | stouset | See? It's not scathing :-( |
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| 23:04.02 | PerfDave | It should be, Gnome is a steaming pile. |
| 23:04.17 | cafuego | PerfDave: So IF one would use a webmail service ANYWAY and would like pop3 on it... |
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| 23:04.44 | petemc | stouset: surprising, given the feelings some regulars have towards gnome |
| 23:04.44 | stouset | Bah, nothing overtly wrong with GNOME. |
| 23:04.50 | PerfDave | cafuego: Squirrelmail! |
| 23:04.58 | mohuhau | is www.debian.org down? |
| 23:05.05 | PerfDave | stouset: Other than the fact it's a pile of barely-usable shite, no :) |
| 23:05.08 | pipeline | petemc: Half the regulars use fluxbox and think they're incredibly l33t |
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| 23:05.19 | stouset | petemc: That's why I was wondering. People seem to either hate GNOME and love KDE or vice versa. |
| 23:05.27 | cafuego | PerfDave: That assumes a user has enough skills to set up a working imap/apache/php system. |
| 23:05.27 | stouset | PerfDave: Other than being entirely usable, you mean? :-) |
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| 23:05.32 | streuner | Which of the big email-provider give you the possibility to use your email-client? (for free, of course) ;-) |
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| 23:05.37 | PerfDave | stouset: You're clearly insane ;) |
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| 23:05.45 | stouset | PerfDave: I don't think that's ever been in question. |
| 23:05.50 | bas | checking my package with lintian works well, but with linda it gives errors: Format args for extra-license-file don't match Description. (0 vs 1)... what does this mean? are lintian overrides related to the Description in debian/control!? |
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| 23:05.54 | stew | streuner: yahoo |
| 23:05.55 | PerfDave | cafuego: It's not exactly difficult, we're all Debian users here ;) |
| 23:05.59 | cafuego | stouset: I use Gnome, I find it cleaner and quicker then KDE (which I used previously) |
| 23:06.07 | N0ob2Debian | ok so .. I finally got debian loaded on my second HD wooty woot .. but .. I didnt see any irc program to start .. or I simply dont know what one is .. in the interface. .I think its gnome |
| 23:06.13 | streuner | stew: doesn't work |
| 23:06.18 | ideafix | you already need a mail acount to use gmail ? |
| 23:06.21 | stouset | cafuego: I agree. Not trying to start a DE war, was just wondering why there's nothing disparaging about GNOME hehe |
| 23:06.21 | cafuego | PerfDave: i *know* it's not difficult, that wasn't the question though. |
| 23:06.36 | PerfDave | dpkg: GNOME is also a barely-usable pile of shit |
| 23:06.36 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 23:06.37 | cafuego | !Gnome sucks |
| 23:06.43 | pureone | noob2debian did you install woody ? |
| 23:06.46 | cafuego | stouset: There you go ;-) |
| 23:06.47 | toresbe | cafuego: yes, not gnome sucks :P |
| 23:07.02 | N0ob2Debian | no its sarge |
| 23:07.04 | PerfDave | cafuego: You asked what I'd do if I wanted a service which provided me with webmail and pop3. |
| 23:07.05 | stew | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 23:07.15 | stouset | !gnome |
| 23:07.15 | dpkg | methinks gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of shit |
| 23:07.23 | stouset | PerfDave Didn't stick :-( |
| 23:07.26 | cafuego | PerfDave: it's was more a hypothetical, centered on ideafix |
| 23:07.26 | streuner | stew: don't they want a fee to use that feature? |
| 23:07.43 | PerfDave | cafuego: ideafix can set up Squirrelmail too, it doesn't cost anything ;0 |
| 23:07.44 | stew | streuner: only if you sign up with yahoo.com, not if you sign up with, say, yahoo.fr |
| 23:08.18 | streuner | stew: hehe |
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| 23:08.31 | stew | streuner: i use yahoo.fr accounts for testing pop all the time |
| 23:08.40 | cafuego | PerfDave: Just setting up squirrelmail doesn't make a handy webmail system for accessing all your email. |
| 23:08.43 | petemc | PerfDave: given your love for using old software, im gonna guess you're stilling using gnome 1, its come on a lot |
| 23:08.58 | ideafix | i love gnome |
| 23:08.59 | petemc | s/ling// |
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| 23:09.01 | stouset | petemc: GNOME1 is the pinnacle of usability |
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| 23:09.04 | chealer | N0ob2Debian: xchat is a good gtk IRC chat client |
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| 23:09.27 | N0ob2Debian | I didnt see xchat in any window..... how do i get to it from the desktop ? =) |
| 23:09.27 | cafuego | stouset: You need to keep in mind that most people who diss Gnome/KDE/fvwm *do* run an X desktop themselves. Note how they never really let on WHAT they run, though. |
| 23:09.30 | ideafix | how do you enebale drag and droping windows to other desktops in KDE ? |
| 23:09.32 | petemc | stouset: right, doesnt look great compared to m ore recent software tho |
| 23:09.34 | streuner | stew: do you know the laws in france as well? |
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| 23:09.43 | stouset | petemc: Giant, ugly-looking buttons, the worst fonts imaginable, and crappy, barely-usable applications |
| 23:09.43 | stew | streuner: hell no |
| 23:09.46 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yes it does. |
| 23:09.48 | daww | "Could not find Nvidia package" what should I add in sources.list? |
| 23:09.48 | stouset | *sighs with glee* |
| 23:09.56 | PerfDave | daww: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 23:09.57 | daww | this is for the nvidia one-liner |
| 23:09.57 | baikonur | how can I tell "make-kpkg modules_image" only to compile a certain module in the /usr/src/modules/ folder? |
| 23:10.08 | caphuso | baikonur: --added-modules |
| 23:10.09 | chealer | daww: there's no "nvidia" package |
| 23:10.15 | streuner | stew: didn't you hear the what they wanna do in EU? |
| 23:10.19 | green_earz | daww: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 23:10.35 | dean | are the captive files for reading ntfs availible from apt-get? |
| 23:10.39 | stew | streuner: nope |
| 23:10.40 | ideafix | how do you enebale drag and droping windows to other desktops in KDE ??? |
| 23:10.42 | baikonur | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:10.43 | streuner | stew: They want store all data for one year for 400 Million people in EU |
| 23:10.43 | chealer | N0ob2Debian: no idea, I don't use gnome. maybe it's not installed |
| 23:10.49 | cafuego | PerfDave: No, it really doesn't. See, incoming mail needs to know to go to dhcp-2367128.sucky-provider.com and they block port 25. it's all very inconvenient. Setting up a gmail account is far easier. |
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| 23:11.02 | PerfDave | cafuego: Welcome to fetchmail. |
| 23:11.03 | chealer | ideafix: I think it's a KDE 3.4 thing |
| 23:11.15 | stew | streuner: yikes |
| 23:11.19 | N0ob2Debian | ok .. anyone using gnome know if there is a built in irc client and if so .. where do i find it |
| 23:11.21 | cafuego | PerfDave: fetchmail assumes an email account elsewhere. |
| 23:11.22 | PerfDave | cafuego: Anyway. My ISP doesn't block port 25. |
| 23:11.22 | streuner | stew: not the contents, of course, but all connections, etc .. etc... |
| 23:11.23 | stouset | cafuego: Maybe they don't run a DE |
| 23:11.32 | stew | streuner: its hopefully meeting resistance |
| 23:11.35 | chealer | !nickometer N0ob2Debian |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | 'N0ob2Debian' is 99.690% lame, chealer |
| 23:11.42 | Delph | cafuego: a) get a decent ISP b) run your own server. Both are cheap these days. |
| 23:11.57 | ideafix | !nickometer ideafix |
| 23:11.58 | PerfDave | cafuego: I've not yet seen an ISP which doesn't give you at least one e-mail account, except ultra-low-cost ones which aren't aimed at domestic users. |
| 23:12.07 | stew | !nickmeter ideafix |
| 23:12.07 | dpkg | ideafix is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 23:12.08 | streuner | stew: no, the majory of EU are for that... |
| 23:12.13 | chealer | ideafix: it's broken for your case |
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| 23:12.18 | cafuego | PerfDave: That, again, is not the issue. |
| 23:12.25 | chealer | ideafix: oh sorry, someone fixed it |
| 23:12.30 | ideafix | *dpkg* the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for ideafix is 0.000%, ideafix |
| 23:12.42 | ideafix | ah ah |
| 23:12.46 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yes it is the point. The point is that setting up your own webmail is fucking trivial. |
| 23:12.57 | travisat_ | !nickometer ideafix |
| 23:13.12 | jim | PerfDave: if tedoous... |
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| 23:13.13 | streuner | stew: well, those people who have influence about ;-) |
| 23:13.23 | PerfDave | jim: Yeah, five minutes of trivial. |
| 23:13.32 | stouset | PerfDave: No way, aptitude install squirrelmail is hella hard :-) |
| 23:13.35 | cafuego | PerfDave: i *know* it's trivial. You seem to not understand that trivial tasks are too hard for some people. |
| 23:13.47 | jim | would I scroll up to find out how to do it in 5 mins? |
| 23:13.49 | PerfDave | cafuego: Then I don't want those people using e-mail on my Internet ;) |
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| 23:14.13 | cafuego | PerfDave: it's not an issue if those people use gmail. |
| 23:14.21 | Blissex | PerfDave: wlecome to Mars' internet then :-) |
| 23:14.28 | hanoi_pm | Debian doesn't have rdisc (router discovery tool)!!! What's the reason for the debian team to not include it? |
| 23:14.28 | PerfDave | cafuego: They don't need to use gmail, because setting up Squirrelmail is a piece of piss. |
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| 23:14.35 | cafuego | PerfDave: if only because gmail.com can be blacklisted |
| 23:14.36 | ideafix | PerfDave: you own the internet ? |
| 23:14.37 | jim | PerfDave: would I scroll up to find out how to do it in 5 mins? |
| 23:14.46 | hever | Hello I got this error by sending a email address: "2005-03-16 00:11:26 1DBLCA-0003Jk-8P <= c5025@debian U=c5025 P=local S=379 T="the subject"" How could I change the hostname from debian to mail.mydomain.com ? |
| 23:14.49 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 23:14.59 | jim | ideafix: no, but I do! I have the floppy in my pocket now! |
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| 23:15.06 | PerfDave | jim: No, you'd apt-get install squirrelmail |
| 23:15.15 | jvw | hever: /etc/mailname, generally, or /etc/exim/exim.conf / /etc/exim4/exim.conf |
| 23:15.16 | chealer | hever: man hostname |
| 23:15.21 | jim | !info squirrelmail |
| 23:15.23 | Ronin | PerfDave: or use the tar, takes what 5 minutes either way |
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| 23:15.41 | dpkg | squirrelmail: (Webmail for nuts), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.4.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 554 kB, Installed size: 3316 kB |
| 23:15.47 | stouset | ideafix: Actually, yes. Internet (C) PerfDave appears at the bottom of all the webpages *I* visit. |
| 23:15.56 | PerfDave | ideafix: I'm working on it... |
| 23:15.59 | jim | !depends squirrelmail |
| 23:16.05 | cafuego | Unfortunately apt-get install squirrelmail makes the browser download .php files |
| 23:16.07 | dpkg | squirrelmail: depends on apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 | php4-cgi, perl, squirrelmail-locales |
| 23:16.09 | stouset | jim: http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1110915073318.jpg |
| 23:16.20 | hanoi_pm | please tell me what's the tool to discover routers - using Debian, of course? |
| 23:16.32 | streuner | route -n? |
| 23:16.33 | jvw | cafuego: only if you have misconfigured apache, apt-get --reinstall install libapache-mod-php4 should do the trick |
| 23:16.35 | PerfDave | hanoi_pm: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:16.43 | jim | stouset:404 |
| 23:16.56 | cafuego|SARCASTI | Unfortunately apt-get install squirrelmail makes the browser download .php files |
| 23:16.57 | stouset | jim: argh, wish I'd saved it. Stuff disappears off 4chan as fast as it comes. |
| 23:17.08 | streuner | hanoi_pm: discover or create? |
| 23:17.11 | stouset | jim: It's a picture of a floppy disk with, "Internet. Disk 1 of 1." on it. |
| 23:17.20 | hanoi_pm | streuner: discover existing ones |
| 23:17.25 | jim | heh, that can be remade :) |
| 23:17.27 | chealer | cafuego|SARCASTI: yes, it does it for me too. debian is a product for the trash |
| 23:17.32 | streuner | hanoi_pm: route -n |
| 23:17.46 | cafuego|SARCASTI | I don't NEED to reconfigure apache, becasue setting up squirrelmail is trivial. |
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| 23:18.20 | chealer | cafuego|SARCASTI: you need a trip to redmond, quick! |
| 23:18.38 | cafuego|SARCASTI | chealer: Sorry, I can't set foot in that country |
| 23:18.39 | PerfDave | cafuego|SARCASTI: Or don't run a buggy version of squirrelmail ;) |
| 23:18.39 | hanoi_pm | streuner: god damn it, if a router is in the routing table so I known it already, why should I am here to ask you? |
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| 23:19.05 | cafuego|SARCASTI | PerfDave: Squirrelmail breaks apache? I thought it was trivial? |
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| 23:19.22 | PerfDave | cafuego|SARCASTI: Squirrelmail took five minutes to install with no Apache configuration when I last installed it. |
| 23:19.31 | PerfDave | cafuego: YMMV, if you're crap ;) |
| 23:19.38 | streuner | hanoi_pm: can you ping its IP? |
| 23:19.49 | streuner | moron |
| 23:19.50 | PerfDave | cafuego: Why don't you try reporting bugs and fixing them? |
| 23:19.52 | cafuego | PerfDave: Lucky you. I've talked people though php issues on more then one occasion. |
| 23:20.10 | PerfDave | cafuego: Sucks to be you. |
| 23:20.25 | cafuego | PerfDave: I find telling 'em to use gmail is a more productive use of MY time. |
| 23:20.58 | chealer | !php wants me to download still |
| 23:20.58 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 23:21.17 | chealer | the problem with this factoid is that I didn't find the instructions there |
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| 23:21.35 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 23:21.44 | PerfDave | cafuego: See, I like encouraging use of Free Software solutions, especially when they avoid some third party reading my e-mail, and are easier to set up. |
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| 23:22.25 | cafuego | PerfDave: I'll be sure to refer any questions through to you, then. |
| 23:22.26 | BenDrake | I am getting an error when installing cpad-kernel-source. I am using Debian sarge, with KDE |
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| 23:22.30 | Sjimmie | ehmm i just launched alsaconf which automaticly closed all apps that were using sound, so also my systray, because i have the mixer applet loaded |
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| 23:22.37 | Sjimmie | but how do i start the systray again from shell? |
| 23:22.38 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 23:22.48 | surrounder | hi all, are there any plans of including xorg instead of xfree86 in debian? |
| 23:22.55 | PerfDave | !topicsmite surrounder |
| 23:22.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon surrounder. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:22.59 | streuner | hm |
| 23:23.04 | PerfDave | cafuego: *shrug* Since I never had any problems installing Squirrelmail, I doubt I'd be much help in answering them. |
| 23:23.10 | cafuego | ideafix: PerfDave will help you to get a proper webmail and pop system working on your own machine. |
| 23:23.10 | BenDrake | Building cpad module for Linux 2.6.8-2-386 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): |
| 23:23.10 | BenDrake | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.10 | BenDrake | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:23.10 | BenDrake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:23.56 | PerfDave | ideafix: Install Squirrelmail! :) |
| 23:24.03 | Henning | server: Bad idea :p |
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| 23:24.18 | BenDrake | whoops, sorry guys. |
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| 23:24.41 | Sjimmie | sorry, i mean that bar in KDE that shows the start menu, and apps and all |
| 23:24.46 | Sjimmie | how is it called? |
| 23:24.58 | cafuego | kicker, I think |
| 23:24.59 | Sjimmie | and systray is in there, and taskbar by default also |
| 23:25.00 | Sjimmie | hmm |
| 23:25.11 | Sjimmie | yeah! |
| 23:25.21 | surrounder | no one ? |
| 23:25.26 | PerfDave | surrounder: kicker |
| 23:25.28 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 23:25.35 | PerfDave | !topicsmite surrounder |
| 23:25.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon surrounder. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:25.38 | Sjimmie | thanks all cafuego and PerfDave |
| 23:25.39 | stew | surrounder: did you read the topic? |
| 23:25.39 | Sjimmie | :) |
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| 23:25.51 | surrounder | lol |
| 23:25.55 | chealer | !lol |
| 23:25.55 | dpkg | [lol] stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 23:26.11 | PerfDave | ROFLOMG!!!ONEONEELEVEN! |
| 23:26.37 | nasty | oh em gee!!11one1 |
| 23:26.53 | EfaistOs | i have a little problem when i try to burn some datas on a DVDRW with nautilus-cd-burner i got this message : File image creeation failed Incorrectly encoded string ... do u know how to bypass it? |
| 23:26.57 | |biovore| | 1111 0x0F |
| 23:27.03 | cafuego | Wow, broke the 4400 barrier today. |
| 23:27.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: 4400 what? |
| 23:27.26 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: emails |
| 23:27.29 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ahh... |
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| 23:27.55 | cafuego | 1540 of those got outright rejected as spam |
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| 23:28.13 | Gnurdux | hey i-o |
| 23:28.22 | Gnurdux | ok well im helping i-o install debian |
| 23:28.36 | Gnurdux | and he didnt config network in debian installer |
| 23:28.42 | Gnurdux | but were doing a netinstall |
| 23:28.47 | Gnurdux | so hes in knoppix |
| 23:28.52 | Gnurdux | in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:28.59 | Gnurdux | and we need to configure it to |
| 23:29.03 | Gnurdux | dhcp eth0 |
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| 23:29.04 | jim | PerfDave: but as long as your mail goes thru routers and is unencrypted, you cant' avoid that |
| 23:29.08 | Gnurdux | thats jsut about it |
| 23:29.11 | cliechti | someone: http://wiki.debian.net/?InstallationHOWTO should say appendix _A_ not B |
| 23:29.13 | cafuego | <heh> holy shit, 1375 of them were mails from a mandrake list to a client |
| 23:29.17 | Gnurdux | somebody? |
| 23:29.45 | stew | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 23:29.57 | jim | Gnurdux: ok, auto eth0 / iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:30.13 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 23:30.14 | Gnurdux | thnx |
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| 23:30.19 | Gnurdux | i-o we can leave now |
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| 23:30.26 | wl | installing debian on a new powerbook doesn't work... the primary hd isn't writable, any suggestions? |
| 23:30.37 | jim | but if you want to know whaqt that MEANS, then read the manual page |
| 23:30.40 | leOn | what the hell .. i've added a new font path to XF86Config-4 but xset keeps saying they're not available |
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| 23:30.52 | stew | wl: #debianppc |
| 23:31.06 | wl | k |
| 23:31.09 | arango | Anyone with experience using bluetooth headset on Debian ? |
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| 23:31.54 | stew | once i broke my tooth and the dentist rebuilt it with blue resin, and i had a blue tooth for about a week |
| 23:32.08 | jason_ | hi stew |
| 23:32.14 | stew | but thats ask close as i've gotten to using bluetooth |
| 23:32.19 | leOn | how can i add new font paths to X? ...seems like adding them in XF86Config-4 with FontPath isn't working.. |
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| 23:32.24 | stew | hi |
| 23:32.25 | pruz | hi all |
| 23:32.25 | jim | so did you tie a head set to your blue tooth? |
| 23:32.30 | directhex | i use OBEX, and have PAN-NAT working |
| 23:32.33 | directhex | but no headsets |
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| 23:32.44 | stew | jim: nope |
| 23:32.54 | pruz | i want to compile a package trough apt. But before compile i want to change some code lines. How can i do that? |
| 23:32.58 | directhex | leOn, you could use the font installer in kcontrol, that's always worked for me |
| 23:33.05 | stew | pruz: /msg dpkg source |
| 23:33.09 | jason_ | stew, u prob. dont remember, but i was the one with the pcmcia trouble |
| 23:33.21 | stew | jason_: nope |
| 23:33.22 | jim | pruz: apt-get source <package> in the dir you want the source in |
| 23:33.36 | leOn | directhex: i don't use kde |
| 23:33.47 | jason_ | stew, you'd remember me other screen name...BIZARRO PAXO |
| 23:34.04 | pruz | thx stew and jim :) |
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| 23:34.20 | stew | jason_: broadcom module or something earlier today? |
| 23:34.28 | jason_ | stew..yes |
| 23:34.48 | directhex | leOn, neither do i |
| 23:34.51 | jim | pruz: you might also want to: apt-get source hello in some other dir, and read every file in there |
| 23:35.13 | jason_ | stew, you told me to the dmesg | less..well, I did, and I couldnt find anything that said "broadcom." |
| 23:35.18 | stew | not me |
| 23:35.42 | stew | jason_: i don't know the first thing about ndiswrapper |
| 23:36.09 | stew | well the first thing about ndiswrapper is that it lets hw manufacturers be lazy and not write open source linux drivers |
| 23:36.10 | jason_ | stew: I know, but you a lot about determining whether my pcmcia is detecting my card, right? |
| 23:36.23 | stew | jason_: cardctl status |
| 23:36.46 | calin | is there a way to force bc to not truncate decimals on / and *? |
| 23:37.02 | zirbolc | scale=30 |
| 23:37.35 | jason_ | stew, it says "no pcmcia driver in proc/devices |
| 23:37.36 | zirbolc | default is scale=0 |
| 23:37.43 | leOn | i've just run kcontrol .. the fonts ARE installed .. but looks like xset doesn't see them |
| 23:37.58 | Guerin | leOn: you need to regenerate font lists |
| 23:38.02 | calin | thanks |
| 23:38.03 | Guerin | man xset |
| 23:38.05 | leOn | strange thing is that if i add them with xset +fp is works |
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| 23:38.19 | Guerin | there's a font howto on tldp |
| 23:38.25 | leOn | hmm |
| 23:38.40 | stew | jason_: do you have hotplug or discover1 installed? |
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| 23:38.58 | stew | jason_: you might want to install them, that should at least pick up your pcmcia controller |
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| 23:39.05 | jason_ | stew: is there a way i can check? |
| 23:39.21 | stew | jason_: dpkg -l hotplug ; dpkg -l discover1 |
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| 23:41.09 | jason_ | stew: i have discover 1.7.7 installed |
| 23:41.09 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 23:41.13 | LinuxMafia | all : my screen turns off after i dont touching it, for a while ,i set DPMS to 0 in xorg.conf but wont prevent this |
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| 23:41.29 | Guerin | LinuxMafia: why should we care? |
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| 23:41.36 | Guerin | since you're clearly not iusing debian |
| 23:41.44 | phanter | how can i find out where a packages did put her files |
| 23:41.48 | stew | jason_: install hotplug |
| 23:41.53 | Guerin | phanter: dpkg -L |
| 23:41.55 | jason_ | stew: K |
| 23:42.26 | LinuxMafia | Guerin: if any body can help and want to help i will be happy , if not that is okey my friend |
| 23:42.43 | stew | LinuxMafia: we dont' support xorg at all in here |
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| 23:42.50 | stew | LinuxMafia: xorg isn't in debian |
| 23:43.05 | jim | never will be? |
| 23:43.17 | LinuxMafia | stew: ok thanks for letting me know :-) , sorry to bother |
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| 23:43.39 | daww | The nvidia one-liner: "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" does not: "echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" why? |
| 23:43.47 | jason_ | stew: okay...now what? |
| 23:43.48 | stew | jim: it will be after sarge releases |
| 23:43.56 | jim | after? |
| 23:44.04 | jim | is it in sarge now? |
| 23:44.16 | travisat | no |
| 23:44.26 | stew | jason_: is cardctl status still complaining? |
| 23:44.32 | stew | jason_: it will be in etch |
| 23:44.37 | stew | jim ^^ |
| 23:44.38 | jim | ok, I see... Branden doing that after release? |
| 23:45.14 | |biovore| | what going on with the sarge-installer RC3? anyone know |
| 23:45.32 | pulu | it worked for me |
| 23:45.33 | Guerin | |biovore|: the people in #debian-boot know, since they made it |
| 23:45.37 | jason_ | stew: yes, cardctl status still says no pcmcia driver in proc/devices..what is "etch"? |
| 23:45.41 | |biovore| | rgr |
| 23:45.56 | stew | jason_: nm etch |
| 23:45.58 | daww | The nvidia one-liner refuse to: "echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
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| 23:46.02 | pulu | when i downloaded the snapshot from last week it didn't work but this weeks did |
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| 23:46.15 | jim | jason_: etch is for sketch... |
| 23:46.17 | daww | What can be the problem |
| 23:46.24 | Guerin | daww: pebcak |
| 23:47.10 | PerfDave | daww: Without an error message, it's hard to say. |
| 23:47.30 | stew | jason_: thats odd, what kernel? what does uname -r say? |
| 23:47.31 | daww | PerfDave, I don't get one |
| 23:47.35 | Jacobo221 | when i try to run OpenOffice I get this message: "_X11TransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local". What's wrong? |
| 23:47.44 | pulu | does anyone know of a good debian based rescue disk since knoppix doesn't seem to support lvm anymore? I've made my own with bootcd but I can't get lilo to install when i restore a server with it |
| 23:48.00 | jason_ | stew: i am using the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel |
| 23:48.03 | PerfDave | daww: In what way is it "refusing" to do what you want? |
| 23:48.04 | daww | PerfDave, I have copy the nvidia one-liner to a file and run it as a shell script |
| 23:48.12 | stew | |biovore|: i believe the rc3 is expected by the end of the month |
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| 23:48.38 | stew | jason_: install pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:48.45 | PerfDave | daww: Well, why did you do that? |
| 23:48.46 | daww | PerfDave, /etc/modules is not being updated |
| 23:49.03 | PerfDave | daww: Probably the command before it in the script failed to run then. |
| 23:49.09 | Guerin | daww: id10-t error |
| 23:49.21 | stew | jason_: sorry i had it in my head that you were running 2.6 |
| 23:49.26 | jason_ | stew: it says its already the newest version |
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| 23:49.36 | daww | PerfDave, because I don't have x running in the new kernel-image |
| 23:50.07 | PerfDave | daww: And? |
| 23:50.38 | jason_ | stew: no prob...actually i tried loading sarge with that kernel, and i had trouble running x |
| 23:50.50 | daww | PerfDave, I don't want to write the one-liner on hand if a script can make it |
| 23:51.06 | PerfDave | daww: Your script clearly can't "make it" ;) |
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| 23:51.23 | thorie | HOOOOOORAY for root! |
| 23:51.24 | pureone | mmm root |
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| 23:53.13 | nasty | LOL |
| 23:53.29 | c0rs4_turb0 | they can give one to me mao with squid? Following I have the problem, I made mine squid to legalize in the AD ones, with winbind and Samba, so that I have 2 nets here, 1 net goes to use authentication of squid, to another one goes... so that in that goes if I for a blocked site it you asking for authenticathion... knows as to decide? |
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| 23:54.01 | Guerin | !nonsense c0rs4_turb0 |
| 23:54.01 | jason_ | stew: am i going to have to re-compile? or is it that I just have to install ndis wrapper? |
| 23:54.02 | dpkg | c0rs4_turb0: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 23:54.09 | jim | I'm trying to grab web pages via netscape (since it has the cookies I need for the site I'm grabbing from) but I need two things... I need to know when the browser is "Done" pulling in the page, and I need to know the response code... how can I do that? |
| 23:54.23 | jim | there's a coupla reasons I'm not using wget |
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| 23:54.34 | sippeter | How do I make ls output absolute paths...? |
| 23:54.45 | Guerin | sippeter: you don't. Use find. |
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| 23:54.50 | jim | sippeter: put "/*" at end |
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| 23:55.01 | Delph | jim: i'm interested to know why. |
| 23:55.19 | Mr-Falkor | I have found a sulotion to my "dead keyboard in X" |
| 23:55.20 | pulu | wget can use cookies, and they're even in the netscape format i believe |
| 23:55.23 | Delph | i mean, wget --load-cookies=/home/wherever/... |
| 23:55.44 | jim | Delph: one, I need to insert a delay of several seconds between gets, and second, I haven't gotten the cookies thing to work in wget |
| 23:56.07 | Delph | jim: or use something like Perl, Python or even telnet and bash. |
| 23:56.08 | MobyTurbo | jim: make a script and use sleep |
| 23:56.08 | starfish | im trying to find out the mount point of my cdrom how do i do this? |
| 23:56.13 | Mr-Falkor | wanna know the sulotion ?;) |
| 23:56.17 | Mr-Falkor | sulotion |
| 23:56.22 | jason_ | yes |
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| 23:56.31 | jim | MobyTurbo: that's exactly what I'm doing |
| 23:57.02 | jim | and the script works... but it would be nice to know when the browser is finished with each get |
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| 23:57.07 | pulu | when wget doesn't cut it curl always seems to pull through |
| 23:57.22 | intero | has anyone run pwmconfig? |
| 23:57.24 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, The XFree86 was configured to a PsAux mice ,But I dint have a PsAux mice - So I tryed to configure it to a USB mice :)(if u dont wanna do that ,just use a psaux mice then) |
| 23:57.28 | jim | ok, I'll look into curl |
| 23:57.43 | daww | starfish, you decide you mount point for each device |
| 23:58.07 | PerfDave | starfish: The mount point, or the device node? |
| 23:58.08 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor: so, u went dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 23:58.19 | intero | what i meant is: has anyone run pwmconfig with success, without accidents? its stopping the fan scares me a little |
| 23:58.26 | PerfDave | starfish: The device node will be in /var/log/dmesg, the mount point in /etc/fstab |
| 23:58.34 | jim | Delph: I'm using perl and bash and "mozilla -remote 'GetURL(....)'" |
| 23:58.40 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, no - Im to lazy - So IM using a PsAux controller ;) |
| 23:59.06 | Delph | jim: use perl and bash and Net::SimpleHttp or something (there must be something for that) |
| 23:59.10 | starfish | well i use kde and im trying to add device to my home dir. but i need to tell the icon where to mount i think |
| 23:59.11 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor: so, U just went out and bought another mouse? |
| 23:59.15 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 23:59.16 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:59.30 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, no - Im using a PsAux Controller ! |
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