| 00:00.03 | jim | ravenbird: u =~ s/Dammit Jim! // |
| 00:00.03 | MobyTurbo | Mr-Falkor: what is the problem you are asking us about? |
| 00:00.22 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, PsAux Controller = Its a dingle dangle thing ( but ur mice in a "psaux emulator" ) |
| 00:00.22 | ravenbird | OK, jim |
| 00:00.22 | jim | good. |
| 00:00.22 | N0ob2Debian | Anyone have an idea why during the installation of sarge if I configure a portion of my HD as FAT32- installation stalls with a debootstrap error 1 ? |
| 00:00.22 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: jim is fucking up factoids. |
| 00:00.30 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor: 'dingle dangle'? |
| 00:00.53 | jim | simonrvn: ravenbird is addressing me unnecessarily, or was, until I fixed it. |
| 00:01.00 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, a small green thing - I got it when i byed my mice |
| 00:02.18 | jim | FieldySnuts: and I won't be taking bullshit on that point. |
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| 00:02.27 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 00:02.31 | starfish | when i hit the cd icon to open my cd rom i get an error message |
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| 00:02.39 | starfish | is of type FSDevice but has no Dev=... entry |
| 00:02.40 | jim | I didn't start the trolling |
| 00:02.40 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor: why dont u just go dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 so u can use a real mouse? |
| 00:02.41 | dfinn | I'm having trouble getting mplayer working on a fresh install of debian. I added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main and |
| 00:02.41 | dfinn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.43 | dfinn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.46 | FieldySnuts | starfish: can you be a bit more detailed, we don't know what you're talking about |
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| 00:02.51 | dfinn | any ideas? |
| 00:02.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 00:03.00 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:03.02 | Rawplayer | when you put something on google groups how long does it take before its there? |
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| 00:03.21 | simonrvn | jim: oh c'mon |
| 00:03.23 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, I dont know what to choose ,to select a usb mice |
| 00:03.38 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, I cannot see something with usb |
| 00:03.46 | jim | simonrvn: no problem, but this is the second time I had to fix this |
| 00:03.51 | MobyTurbo | Mr-Falkor: /dev/input/mice |
| 00:03.59 | FieldySnuts | you mean you did that, it got put back, and you did it again? you're cool |
| 00:04.04 | Guerin | jim: use a less common nick |
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| 00:04.07 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor:its there..its on the bottom i think |
| 00:04.11 | Guerin | lest I start talking about jimson weed |
| 00:04.23 | jim | FieldySnuts: evidently there were more than one copy of that factoid |
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| 00:04.41 | FieldySnuts | jim: oh get off your high horse you stuck up tit. I hope simonrvn puts it back and locks it. |
| 00:04.41 | MobyTurbo | ~u |
| 00:04.42 | apt | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
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| 00:04.45 | Jondo | Hi, I'm trying to set up dhcpd but I'm getting "Address range 192.168.0.90 to 192.168.0.95 not on net 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.254 |
| 00:04.51 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, so I should uncomment usb mice -- or ? |
| 00:04.54 | Guerin | ~lock u |
| 00:04.57 | FieldySnuts | if he changes apts too, i'd have to say that's bot abuse |
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| 00:05.06 | jim | ~unlock u |
| 00:05.29 | jim | apt: u =~ s/Dammit Jim! // |
| 00:05.29 | apt | jim: OK |
| 00:05.29 | simonrvn | jim: then edit dpkg |
| 00:05.30 | FieldySnuts | I should know, I abuse them all the time. but not like this. |
| 00:05.42 | jim | ~lock u |
| 00:05.43 | simonrvn | @lart jim |
| 00:05.51 | FieldySnuts | i hope he's dealt with. fucking wanker screwed the factoid up on all three bots. |
| 00:05.54 | jim | @lock u |
| 00:05.55 | peterS | i: how r u? |
| 00:06.02 | jason_ | Mr.Falkor: what i am saying is that you put in that dpkg command, and it allows u to reconfigure your X...just choose different ones 'til u fnd the one that works for u. |
| 00:06.04 | i | FieldySnuts: don't addressign me!!!11!!1 |
| 00:06.08 | starfish | well from what i know kde automatically mounts devices, but there are no icons for the device till you add one i added one and when i go to open i get an error |
| 00:06.10 | i | peterS: stfu n00b |
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| 00:06.21 | FieldySnuts | looks like I joined #debian-aol |
| 00:06.23 | simonrvn | @no u is <reply>Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:06.24 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 00:06.27 | simonrvn | @lock u |
| 00:06.28 | ravenbird | locking factoid u, simonrvn |
| 00:06.43 | FieldySnuts | now if we can just get the other two fixed |
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| 00:07.02 | Mr-Falkor | jason_, roger that :) |
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| 00:07.21 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.25 | directhex | !roger Mr-Falkor |
| 00:07.25 | dpkg | Bend over, Mr-Falkor and take it like a man! |
| 00:07.38 | Becca | For debian, what is the suggested amount of ram to run it cleanly? |
| 00:07.39 | FieldySnuts | yeah, get the networks founder involved in something so trivial. i'm sure he's busy enough |
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| 00:07.46 | simonrvn | jim: those factoids have been there for as long as i remember |
| 00:07.59 | Mr-Falkor | dpkg, IM gonna bend over your **** |
| 00:08.00 | Sjimmie | Becca: depends on the apps you run on it :) |
| 00:08.04 | simonrvn | jim: you could have at least discussed it with us |
| 00:08.10 | Sjimmie | if you have oracle enterpise on it i suggest 4GB |
| 00:08.11 | Sjimmie | :) |
| 00:08.17 | Becca | *L* |
| 00:08.17 | jim | I thought I did when it first happened |
| 00:08.23 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: hopefully you can talk with the owner of the other two and get em fixed too |
| 00:08.29 | Becca | More like, gaim, xchat, firefox and Open Office... |
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| 00:08.31 | simonrvn | jim: i didn't see that |
| 00:08.31 | directhex | ~u |
| 00:08.32 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 00:08.34 | Jondo | Hi, I'm trying to set up dhcpd but I'm getting "Address range 192.168.0.90 to 192.168.0.95 not on net 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.254 |
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| 00:08.38 | Sjimmie | Becca: 512 should be fine |
| 00:08.39 | PerfDave | Becca: Read the Installation Manual |
| 00:08.49 | PerfDave | Becca: For that, I'd suggest at least 128Mb RAM |
| 00:08.49 | Sjimmie | im doing that now, and its not swapping yet :) |
| 00:09.03 | PerfDave | Particularly Ooo, it's a memory whore :) |
| 00:09.06 | Becca | Ok, I have 128, and its out of ram, and I'm runningout of swap fast *L* |
| 00:09.07 | directhex | Becca, which window manager? i'd say 256mb as a bare minimum really |
| 00:09.10 | Becca | wmaker |
| 00:09.20 | starfish | well from what i know kde automatically mounts devices, but there are no icons for the device till you add one i added one and when i go to open i get an error.....is of type FSDevice but has no Dev=... entry |
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| 00:09.22 | Becca | Yep, time to see about upgrading the nice little laptop fer certain. |
| 00:09.28 | directhex | @u |
| 00:09.29 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:09.33 | Becca | Thanks, I was wondering if I was going crazy or if there was a problem :) |
| 00:09.36 | Becca | Thank you very much. |
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| 00:09.40 | simonrvn | i can see his point though |
| 00:09.46 | simonrvn | @unlock u |
| 00:09.46 | ravenbird | unlocking factoid u, simonrvn |
| 00:09.49 | Guerin | i can't |
| 00:09.51 | simonrvn | have at it |
| 00:09.56 | FieldySnuts | lame. |
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| 00:10.06 | Mr-Falkor | the Debian pppoe tool works bad ! ..Its seems to only work with 56K modems |
| 00:10.14 | directhex | can i make a formal protest to the founder of freenode that factoids contonaining "directhex" exist? |
| 00:10.16 | Guerin | choose a commonly used word for a nick, and you get to cope with the highlights |
| 00:10.17 | FieldySnuts | sure mate. |
| 00:10.22 | simonrvn | Mr-Falkor: pppoeconf... |
| 00:10.28 | simonrvn | not pppconfig |
| 00:10.29 | MobyTurbo | Becca: wmaker doesn't have great memory needs, though some other window managers have less, maybe you're just running too many other programs. |
| 00:10.30 | Mr-Falkor | simonrvn, I know |
| 00:10.36 | Mr-Falkor | aah |
| 00:10.44 | PerfDave | Guerin: *nods* I keep getting "perf" used as a contraction of "performance" and triggering my highlighting :( |
| 00:10.48 | peterS | directhex: you can complain to the founder of freenode all you want, but the people who own the bots are not the people who run freenode |
| 00:10.50 | jim | simonrvn: my position is that the bot makes it seem like it is addressing me when the actually meant for others. When it first happened, it was being used repeatedly (correctly, but repeatedly),,, and I wasn't and wouldn't have been involved in any way becasue I don't use u for you and etc |
| 00:10.53 | Mr-Falkor | maybe thats why I could not Search the modem |
| 00:11.13 | Guerin | jim: turn on your turing filter |
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| 00:11.19 | jim | s/when the actually/when the message actually/ |
| 00:11.30 | FieldySnuts | or change nicks or use ignore, instead of changing it for everyone else |
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| 00:11.44 | kbs | question about 'the debian way' to update modules. I added a patch (cifs) to the 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel source, made the cifs module. Now, I'd like to add the cifs module. Could you point me to any debian-specific gotchas when doing this? Or just depmod and go for it? |
| 00:11.48 | jim | FieldySnuts/Guerin: why should I have to? |
| 00:11.48 | directhex | peterS, i think you're missing the point. possibly deliberately, it's hard to tell over irc |
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| 00:11.51 | simonrvn | jim: yeh well plenty of others have to deal with getting beeped and highlighted. it just seems a bit childish. but i also do see your point. |
| 00:12.02 | FieldySnuts | jim: why should we have to tolerate all three bots being modified just for one user? |
| 00:12.03 | Mr-Falkor | simonrvn, when I have configured the pppoe - Will it start up everytime I boot up my Computer |
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| 00:12.13 | simonrvn | Mr-Falkor: if you tell it |
| 00:12.21 | FieldySnuts | oh well. time to use ignore. |
| 00:12.21 | Guerin | jim: because you're not the only person who uses this channel, and you should show a little consideration for long-standing humorous tradition |
| 00:12.27 | jim | FieldySnuts" the phrase isn't even part of the desired message |
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| 00:12.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:12.55 | MobyTurbo | jim: lilo himself has to deal with people typing "lilo" in Linux support channels, I suggest you're being too picky. |
| 00:12.57 | simonrvn | jim: it harkens to star trek, fyi. one of the main characters is called 'jim'. |
| 00:13.00 | Mr-Falkor | simonrvn, so ..There is a step in the pppoeconf that ask me "Start pppoe when booting up" |
| 00:13.12 | simonrvn | Mr-Falkor: run it and you'll see, ok? |
| 00:13.19 | jpeg | the real question is whether the bot message is more important than a user and/or a courtesy done to the user after the user asks. |
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| 00:13.26 | jim | simonrvn: I'm aware of that, but it's still annoying |
| 00:13.31 | Mr-Falkor | simonrvn, l8r |
| 00:13.36 | simonrvn | i understand that |
| 00:13.43 | cafuego | jim: auto-hilight can be disabled. |
| 00:14.02 | PerfDave | If you're using a sensible client like irssi, fine-grained control over highlighting can be used. |
| 00:14.02 | p2-mate | hey simonrvn |
| 00:14.06 | Guerin | make your highlight regexp only match your nick at the start or end of a line |
| 00:14.09 | Mr-Falkor | anyway ,when I Compiling a kernel ,I get Kernel Panic all the time |
| 00:14.15 | jim | cafuego: I understand that too, but why should I disable something that is USEFUL WHEN I'M TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE |
| 00:14.17 | simonrvn | p2-mate: hiya dude |
| 00:14.22 | FieldySnuts | i guess i'm just annoyed that the bots are changed, and not his client. totally backwards. |
| 00:14.30 | Guerin | jim: because you're being a twat, that's why |
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| 00:14.35 | Guerin | gah |
| 00:14.43 | cafuego | jim: Well, you know. |
| 00:14.43 | jim | Guerin: straw man arg |
| 00:14.47 | directhex | i've got it! |
| 00:14.48 | directhex | the cure! |
| 00:14.49 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:14.52 | directhex | change star trek! |
| 00:14.56 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 00:14.59 | FieldySnuts | directhex: yeah. same reasoning |
| 00:15.04 | directhex | that way the problem solves itself! |
| 00:15.14 | Guerin | that would mean millions of people the world over, who hate star trek, won't have to be annoyed by it |
| 00:15.16 | directhex | howabout "Damnit Horace"? |
| 00:15.17 | jim | directhex: had star trek ever dealt with misspellings? |
| 00:15.17 | Guerin | like me |
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| 00:15.28 | FieldySnuts | start the Organization Against Opression Of Those Named Jim |
| 00:15.32 | simonrvn | jim: yes, in their scripts ;P |
| 00:15.33 | cafuego | true, and janeway was twice the man Kirk was anyway. Good call. |
| 00:16.00 | N0ob2Debian | kirk was a man? |
| 00:16.01 | jim | so was Tuvix :) |
| 00:16.13 | FieldySnuts | anyway i've made my point, i hope the u factoid on all three bots is put back. |
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| 00:16.38 | bobotheclow | can someone help me set up java in debian |
| 00:16.39 | PerfDave | directhex: Hamlet in space! "Damnit, Horatio! I'm a prince, not a doctor!" |
| 00:16.48 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:16.55 | directhex | !facestab PerfDave |
| 00:17.05 | jpeg | why is the star trek reference even necessary in that factoid? |
| 00:17.08 | cafuego | bobotheclow: yes. install 'java-package', then download the jre1.5-foo.bin package from sun (NOT the rpm) |
| 00:17.14 | PerfDave | jpeg: Because it's funny? |
| 00:17.14 | directhex | there's no fucking facestab factoid? BOT MEDIC, STAT! |
| 00:17.15 | FieldySnuts | jpeg: who cares it's been there for ages. |
| 00:17.19 | jim | I wouldn't be complaining here, if the factoid wasn't used several times in a row at the time I first removed the dammit jim from it |
| 00:17.22 | PerfDave | Hamlet's far too angsty to be in Star Trek, though. He'd have to be a Babylon 5 character. |
| 00:17.28 | bucky | jim: i find all these bible derived names to be obnoxious... |
| 00:17.39 | dfinn | anyone on here use mplayer on debian, with the debian packagtes from ftp.nerim.net? |
| 00:17.44 | directhex | PerfDave, and get killed just as you start to likle him? |
| 00:17.46 | PerfDave | bucky: OMG yes the judeochristian hegemony oppresses us all!!! |
| 00:17.49 | directhex | dfinn, many people |
| 00:17.54 | PerfDave | directhex: You liked Hamlet, like *ever*? |
| 00:17.57 | jim | bucky: but is your name being highlighted every time someone bibles? |
| 00:18.01 | PerfDave | directhex: I was cheering when he died! |
| 00:18.03 | FieldySnuts | jesus christ |
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| 00:18.13 | abrotman | you could uh .. change your nick? |
| 00:18.15 | cafuego | jim: It's a function of the name, not the hilighting. |
| 00:18.16 | dfinn | many people, ever get this error on a fresh install "FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)."? |
| 00:18.21 | bobotheclow | cafuego, i need to apt-get install java-package, then download the java.bin |
| 00:18.21 | raboof | hmm. after upgrading from woody to sarge, some things (mostly gtk i think) have gone anti-aliased |
| 00:18.31 | jpeg | so on the one hand, a user makes a request, and on the other hand, preservation of something/because it's subjectively funny. |
| 00:18.32 | bobotheclow | ? |
| 00:18.39 | cafuego | jim: if you pick a common name used widely in popular culture, you need to accept the consequences. |
| 00:18.39 | raboof | i don't want that. `export GDK_USE_XFT=0' worked for firefox, but not for gaim. any ideas there? |
| 00:18.46 | jim | dfinn: what were you doing at the time? |
| 00:18.47 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Yes. |
| 00:18.47 | starfish | hey i figured out my cdrom problem thanks for any help guys |
| 00:18.57 | dfinn | jim: just trying to play a mpeg |
| 00:18.57 | simonrvn | "bobotheclow" heh. might as well leave off the 'l' ;P |
| 00:18.58 | bobotheclow | ok ill do that |
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| 00:19.05 | jim | dfinn: details |
| 00:19.07 | dfinn | jim: i get that error when tring to play any video |
| 00:19.11 | raboof | gnumeric also remains anti-aliased |
| 00:19.11 | cafuego | bobotheclow: You can then run 'make-jpkg jre1.5-foo.bin', which will create a .deb for you. |
| 00:19.22 | starfish | has anyone seen nvz lately? |
| 00:19.25 | Mr-Falkor | Can I use a 2.4 Kernel .config file on a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 00:19.43 | directhex | Mr-Falkor, no |
| 00:19.50 | SerpentWolf | i wont |
| 00:19.50 | cafuego | 'darthbobo' might fit |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | !seen nvz |
| 00:19.53 | dpkg | nvz <nvz@c-24-3-200-17.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 32m 20s ago, saying: 'I would much rather loose this whole section of data, but somehow I figure the probabilty that these people will actually be voting this year is important'. |
| 00:19.53 | SerpentWolf | abrotman, nvz said "" 1836wks 6days 20mins 15secs ago in on the network. |
| 00:19.56 | brosio | anyone have alredy try reiser4 ? |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | starfish: ^^? |
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| 00:20.02 | abrotman | SerpentWolf: turn that crap off |
| 00:20.06 | dfinn | jim: any ideas? |
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| 00:20.34 | SerpentWolf | mmmm i didnt turn it on... wth |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | SerpentWolf: but you can turn it off no? |
| 00:20.46 | bobotheclow | what if i already installed the rpm |
| 00:20.59 | SerpentWolf | abrotman yes |
| 00:21.15 | cafuego | bobotheclow: uninstall it. (You didn't use 'rpm' to install it, did you?) |
| 00:21.24 | starfish | nvz is my cousin and i was lookin for him to talk about my son whos 4 days old....god hes adorable |
| 00:21.29 | bobotheclow | no i did alien -i <whaterver> |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | starfish: we know he's your cousin .. you two talk the same |
| 00:21.47 | cafuego | bobotheclow: okay, just apt-get remove it, then. |
| 00:21.49 | N0ob2Debian | congradulations starfish |
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| 00:21.52 | bobotheclow | alrght |
| 00:21.58 | simonrvn | starfish: congrats |
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| 00:22.18 | abrotman | wait .. 4 days? |
| 00:22.19 | cafuego | bobotheclow: the make-jpkg way will handle browser plugins etc |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | what are you doing on irc? |
| 00:22.28 | bobotheclow | jezzoid it cant find it |
| 00:22.31 | starfish | lol yinz guys are cool..lol |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | !nickometer twi573d |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | 'twi573d' is 49.000% lame, abrotman |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 00:22.44 | b00 | lool |
| 00:23.30 | cafuego | abrotman: Yeah, no caps and no punctuation. |
| 00:23.37 | starfish | the released us yesterday |
| 00:23.44 | starfish | the=they |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | i just thought the typo was more yinzer |
| 00:24.32 | bobotheclow | k its removed |
| 00:25.11 | bobotheclow | the deal is they cant find java-package |
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| 00:25.21 | cafuego | bobotheclow: D'oh, you on woody? |
| 00:25.24 | starfish | well ill be back gonna send some pics to my dad |
| 00:25.26 | bobotheclow | sarge |
| 00:25.28 | bobotheclow | net install |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | !info java-package woody |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
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| 00:25.37 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Then java-package should be available. |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | in contrib? |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | ah .. yes |
| 00:25.44 | cafuego | Might be in contrib, though. |
| 00:25.55 | directhex | !non-free sources |
| 00:25.55 | dpkg | methinks non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update |
| 00:26.11 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Add 'contrib' to your sources.list, then rerun 'apt-get update' |
| 00:26.21 | bobotheclow | just the word contrib |
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| 00:26.25 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Yep |
| 00:26.37 | bobotheclow | k |
| 00:26.39 | cafuego | bobotheclow: At the end of the line, like what dpkg just said. |
| 00:27.04 | directhex | since he's installing non-free java, why not put non-free in as well while he's at it? |
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| 00:27.33 | cafuego | !nvidiasmite directhex |
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| 00:27.39 | bobotheclow | i want the regular sun packages |
| 00:27.48 | jim | dfinn: you have to tell them what you were using when that happened... |
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| 00:28.01 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Yes, those are non-free (as in speech) |
| 00:28.10 | PerfDave | directhex: And "apt-get install vrms" while he's at it! |
| 00:28.13 | PerfDave | bobotheclow: /msg dpkg java licensing |
| 00:28.32 | jim | dfinn: also, if you put the message you get (or parts of it) into a google search, it could end up pointing you at a solution or discussion of what the problem is about |
| 00:28.33 | directhex | dpkg, nvidiasmite $1 is <action> changes $1's kernel ABI, for fun |
| 00:28.33 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
| 00:28.34 | cafuego | PerfDave: Can we get his java sorted before you start heckling? |
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| 00:28.59 | cafuego | That mwilson suit is most unbecoming. |
| 00:29.02 | astronut | is there something wrong with the archive? |
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| 00:29.08 | PerfDave | cafuego: Who's heckling? |
| 00:29.12 | directhex | XD |
| 00:29.16 | directhex | !beer cafuego |
| 00:29.22 | directhex | !nvidiasmite PerfDave |
| 00:29.25 | astronut | !soda astronut |
| 00:29.28 | astronut | damn |
| 00:29.51 | cafuego | directhex: Bit early for barley juice |
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| 00:29.59 | astronut | my apt-get update ran, but it gets 404's after a REALLY long delay for the packages |
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| 00:30.16 | cafuego | astronut: Broken mirror, typo, karma... |
| 00:30.35 | bobotheclow | it hate when ftp.debain goes slow |
| 00:30.38 | jim | astronut: hmm, all of those possibilities plus is your dns working properly? |
| 00:30.48 | astronut | cafuego: "ftp.us.debian.org", so hopefully not broken, typo not possible, karma is what i'm leaning towards |
| 00:30.53 | astronut | jim: dns is good, it resolves |
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| 00:30.58 | cafuego | bobotheclow: You can always add a faster mirror instead. |
| 00:31.00 | astronut | after a while it switches from one IP to another... |
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| 00:31.05 | jim | astronut: and resolves quickly? |
| 00:31.08 | astronut | i guess one box is down |
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| 00:31.10 | astronut | jim: resolves quick |
| 00:31.11 | astronut | hangs |
| 00:31.15 | astronut | then looks like it reresolves |
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| 00:31.32 | jim | not sure I understand exactly |
| 00:31.48 | astronut | hmmpph |
| 00:31.54 | jim | you mean your resolving is hanging? or larger process that uses resolving? |
| 00:31.58 | astronut | it just fixed...23rd time is the charge |
| 00:32.02 | astronut | the proccess was |
| 00:32.07 | jim | ok. |
| 00:32.22 | astronut | it resolved, then was "Contacting ftp.us.deb.org (IP.something.blah) [hang] |
| 00:32.27 | bobotheclow | ok kewl java-package is installed |
| 00:32.32 | astronut | but downloading at a nice 120 kbps now |
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| 00:32.41 | bobotheclow | now i have extracted jdk_x_x.bin to my home directory. |
| 00:32.46 | jim | astronut: possible net glitch? |
| 00:32.49 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Don't extract it. |
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| 00:32.54 | abrotman | bobotheclow: why did you do that> |
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| 00:33.02 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Just run 'make-jpkg jdk_x_x.bin' |
| 00:33.03 | astronut | jim: i dunno, the other box did fine |
| 00:33.07 | bobotheclow | ok what should i do with it |
| 00:33.08 | astronut | i'll strike it up as "karma" |
| 00:33.09 | bobotheclow | oh ok |
| 00:33.16 | astronut | guess i need to get some more +5 insightfuls |
| 00:33.18 | cafuego | bobotheclow: That will generate jdk_x_x.deb |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | !tell bobotheclow about java-package |
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| 00:33.25 | jim | bobotheclow: you can use java-package to make a debian package out of it |
| 00:33.32 | cafuego | !karma astronut |
| 00:33.33 | dpkg | astronut has neutral karma |
| 00:33.42 | astronut | oh, the channel has it's own karma? |
| 00:33.45 | astronut | how does that work? |
| 00:33.53 | cafuego | astronut: Just a counter in the bot |
| 00:34.09 | astronut | how does the counter get incremented/decremented? |
| 00:34.13 | DaCa | p2-mate: have you ever seen one of them? |
| 00:34.19 | cafuego | astronut++ |
| 00:34.24 | jim | by request of people |
| 00:34.25 | cafuego | !karma astronut |
| 00:34.25 | dpkg | astronut has neutral karma |
| 00:34.29 | cafuego | oh |
| 00:34.32 | abrotman | !astronut++ |
| 00:34.32 | bobotheclow | it told me to use fake root |
| 00:34.39 | astronut | !karma astronut |
| 00:34.39 | dpkg | astronut has karma of 1 |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | !karma astronut |
| 00:34.39 | jim | fake foot? |
| 00:34.42 | astronut | nice |
| 00:34.51 | jim | apt-get install fakeroot |
| 00:34.51 | cafuego | bobotheclow: apt-get install fakeroot; fakeroot make-jpkg jde_x.x.bin |
| 00:35.09 | cafuego | s/jde/jdk/ |
| 00:35.10 | bobotheclow | ya fakeroot is running |
| 00:35.14 | gilles | What do I need to do so that a user (else than root) can use shfmount ? |
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| 00:35.31 | popup_killer2005 | help channel of spanish |
| 00:35.33 | calin | what can i use to find symlinks that still exist after the file has been removed? |
| 00:35.34 | popup_killer2005 | of debian |
| 00:35.36 | popup_killer2005 | please |
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| 00:35.40 | PerfDave | !es |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:35.41 | calin | !spanish |
| 00:35.41 | directhex | !es |
| 00:35.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:35.41 | jim | !es |
| 00:35.42 | bobotheclow | i get alot of permission denieds |
| 00:35.46 | bucky | bobotheclow, are you really trying to get java to work in your browser? |
| 00:35.47 | jim | oops sorry |
| 00:35.50 | calin | lol |
| 00:35.51 | bobotheclow | should i have been root while running fake root |
| 00:35.57 | popup_killer2005 | thank you dkpg |
| 00:36.01 | cafuego | bobotheclow: No, you run fakeroot as user. |
| 00:36.04 | bobotheclow | ok |
| 00:36.19 | bobotheclow | bucky i want java to work in my browser and i want to write java programs |
| 00:36.23 | calin | hahaha, he thanks dpkg |
| 00:36.25 | calin | nice |
| 00:36.34 | calin | what can i use to find symlinks that still exist after the file has been removed? |
| 00:36.42 | jim | bobotheclow: so you want a jdk since it also includes a jre |
| 00:36.49 | bobotheclow | yes thats what im installing |
| 00:36.50 | dondelelcaro | calin: find with -type and -xtype |
| 00:36.53 | jim | (and a java plugin) |
| 00:36.54 | cafuego | jim: he *has* jdk. |
| 00:36.57 | bobotheclow | so what to do after the fakeroot |
| 00:36.59 | bobotheclow | command |
| 00:37.06 | PerfDave | does free-java-sdk include a browser plugin? |
| 00:37.09 | jim | ahh, so he's done :) |
| 00:37.11 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Is there a jdk_x.x.deb file now? |
| 00:37.25 | bobotheclow | yes |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | PerfDave: well .. after you run java-package it creates one |
| 00:37.26 | jim | bobotheclow: maybe located in ..? |
| 00:37.34 | bobotheclow | home directory |
| 00:37.35 | cafuego | bobotheclow: Just run 'dpjg -i jdk_xx.deb' |
| 00:37.39 | bobotheclow | okkeydokey |
| 00:37.42 | cafuego | bobotheclow: dpkg even (as root) |
| 00:37.53 | jim | this one you can't fake |
| 00:37.57 | simonrvn | dj pkg |
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| 00:38.06 | cafuego | jim: yes you can, with -x |
| 00:38.20 | jim | you mean to extract in dir? |
| 00:38.40 | bobotheclow | k now im all installed? thanks for the help |
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| 00:38.50 | PerfDave | abrotman: Without using the Sun stuff? |
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| 00:38.53 | jim | of course I mean to properly install the package in the systemwide place |
| 00:39.01 | cafuego | bobotheclow: that should do the trick, yes. |
| 00:39.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: well .. iirc. . you can use the IBM jdk |
| 00:39.06 | bobotheclow | this also handels plugins? |
| 00:39.11 | cafuego | bobotheclow: *nod* |
| 00:39.15 | simonrvn | the sun one does |
| 00:39.19 | cafuego | bobotheclow: For mozilla anyway. |
| 00:39.20 | bobotheclow | awesome |
| 00:39.25 | bobotheclow | ok well im going now thanks fellas |
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| 00:39.30 | bobotheclow | expect to see me back soon lol |
| 00:39.30 | bobotheclow | bye |
| 00:39.31 | jim | bobotheclow: look in /var/lib/j* |
| 00:39.34 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's also not Free, is it? |
| 00:39.36 | cafuego | Notable exception being the sun one on amd64 |
| 00:39.40 | humbolt | is there a more convenient way of submitting a bug and reading bug reports than through the reportbug console programm? |
| 00:39.53 | PerfDave | humbolt: You can read bug reports on http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 00:39.56 | simonrvn | humbolt: querybts |
| 00:40.02 | PerfDave | humbolt: Or you can use querybts from the command line |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | PerfDave: java isn't free |
| 00:40.09 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: as far as reading bugs, just use a web browser, or bts. For submitting bugs, any MUA will work. |
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| 00:40.18 | cafuego | ooh! ooh! |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: wanna see something odd |
| 00:40.19 | humbolt | I do not want a console line programm |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:40.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | hi dondelelcaro, how are you |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | abrotman: peachy |
| 00:40.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: is this the stupid hi, foo stuff? |
| 00:40.36 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 00:40.37 | abrotman | oh damn it |
| 00:40.41 | jim | humbolt: is there soemthing written that is not console? |
| 00:40.42 | cafuego | humbolt: mozilla http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i didn't know you already knew |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 00:40.56 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I thought I turned that off... I'll have to locate it again. |
| 00:41.00 | PerfDave | abrotman: The stuff in free-java-sdk is |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: kaffe ? |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:41.29 | DNS4 | Hello ! I have problem width Postfix, this MTA make no Maildir format to incoming mails :-( , how can I make it this, and how can I confiqure the courier-imap server to use ? |
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| 00:41.46 | PerfDave | humbolt: Using reportbug helps automatically provide useful information to the package maintainers, meaning that your bug is more likely to get fixed. |
| 00:41.54 | jim | humbolt: what specific features are you looking for? |
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| 00:42.15 | humbolt | I normally like the console, but for something like that, it sucks! I cant keep some mesage open in the background so I can review parts while I am writing my additions. |
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| 00:42.24 | jim | maybe you could reportbug reportbug |
| 00:42.43 | PerfDave | humbolt: screen, or use a different terminal window :) |
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| 00:43.02 | jim | humbolt: sure you can... you can use a pair of terms or a term and a web browser |
| 00:43.48 | stew | humbolt: or screen |
| 00:44.24 | humbolt | PerfDave jim: screw that! Why cant you admit, a grafical approach has it's advantages? I am not saying, the console does not have it's advantages too! |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | graphical |
| 00:44.39 | calin | That's a lot of people leaving |
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| 00:44.47 | stew | humbolt: write one |
| 00:44.53 | jim | humbolt: is it worth coding |
| 00:44.55 | jim | ? |
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| 00:45.16 | PerfDave | humbolt: A graphical approach doesn't have its advantages when it comes to reporting bugs, since users may not have access to a GUI when reporting a bug. If you've got a GUI, you can always run reportbug in another xterm. |
| 00:45.17 | soapee01 | Is it possible to install sarge with RAID5 and LVM using the installer? I've read conflicting info, and I'm not haveing much success with the latest daily builds. |
| 00:45.18 | humbolt | no, i just use the web |
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| 00:45.43 | abrotman | soapee01: hardware raid5? |
| 00:45.45 | humbolt | PerfDave: go to another machine |
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| 00:45.50 | jim | humbolt: unfortunately, x has limitations as compared to a plain terminal... |
| 00:45.51 | soapee01 | abrotman: s/w |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | soapee01: oh .. nfc |
| 00:46.05 | PerfDave | humbolt: Yes, and then you're on another machine, with different software and libraries, so reportbug can't fill in information for you. |
| 00:46.06 | humbolt | Most users do not even know about the reportbug app |
| 00:46.18 | amikron | hi all newbie here |
| 00:46.19 | PerfDave | humbolt: You've yet to give one reason why a GUI would be preferable for a bug reporting tool. |
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| 00:46.25 | soapee01 | abrotman: and I suppose raid1 as well, to try and get lilo/grub to go (this is where the process is stopping) |
| 00:46.26 | humbolt | PerfDave: ok, that's a point |
| 00:46.27 | DaCa | humbolt: you are talking about browsing the bts and using reportbug at the same time? surely this is much more productive in console |
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| 00:46.35 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | soapee01: i use hardware raid .. sorry .. nfc |
| 00:46.50 | jim | if there were a graphical app that satisfactorally represented anything the shell could do, then I'd think more of the graphical approach |
| 00:47.03 | PerfDave | humbolt: And you fill it in wrong, which misleads the people trying to fix your bug, or you don't fill it in at all. |
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| 00:47.17 | PerfDave | humbolt: So you're saying that a GUI tool is less easy to use and leads to more inaccuracies than the console. |
| 00:47.18 | jim | but as it stands now, it's an addition to the side of it, not a lot more than eye candy |
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| 00:48.03 | cafuego | humbolt: if you write a GUI bug reporting tool and submitted it to Debian, lots of people would be happy. |
| 00:48.05 | dondelelcaro | hello, foo |
| 00:48.10 | jim | which is the same approach that microsoft took to windows |
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| 00:48.18 | abrotman | hi dondelelcaro, how are you |
| 00:48.18 | dpkg | abrotman: eh, ok |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think it's only that format |
| 00:48.33 | humbolt | PerfDave: I am saying what the heck of an interface is that: [y|N|m|r|q|s|f|?]? |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | that i've seen ayways |
| 00:48.43 | PerfDave | humbolt: A pretty self-explanatory one. |
| 00:48.44 | simonrvn | humbolt: hit ?<cr> |
| 00:48.45 | dondelelcaro | hello foo, how are you |
| 00:48.45 | dpkg | peachy, dondelelcaro |
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| 00:48.48 | dondelelcaro | ok... |
| 00:48.50 | simonrvn | duh |
| 00:48.52 | cafuego | humbolt: that's a pretty standard command-line option listing. |
| 00:48.59 | simonrvn | wtf? |
| 00:49.08 | PerfDave | humbolt: It always has help available, to tell you what each option means. |
| 00:49.08 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 00:49.16 | jim | simonrvn: he wants a graphically bug reporter |
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| 00:49.25 | stew | !graphical |
| 00:49.25 | dpkg | i guess graphical is what do you mean graphical? Do you mean graphical as opposed to tactile or olafactory? |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | why not retool bug buddy ? |
| 00:49.38 | PerfDave | humbolt: You have still not given any reason why a GUI would be preferable to a commandline for reportbug, and several reasons why it wouldn't. |
| 00:49.42 | directhex | gtk2-perl! |
| 00:49.44 | simonrvn | bah. he can wait for that one that joshk and chrisa are writing |
| 00:49.56 | cafuego | woo! |
| 00:50.11 | PerfDave | Or directhex could include one in his YaST-for-Debian tool :) |
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| 00:50.15 | jim | I'd like to see a graphical shell |
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| 00:50.19 | simonrvn | uses the bts2ldap stuff too |
| 00:50.26 | directhex | PerfDave, i never said anything about YAST |
| 00:50.29 | jim | that's done -well- and -completely- |
| 00:50.42 | PerfDave | directhex: I thought you did. |
| 00:50.45 | simonrvn | jim: xterm not enough? :P |
| 00:50.52 | cafuego | jim: Off to macOS X you go, then |
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| 00:50.59 | jim | simonrvn: yes and no |
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| 00:51.17 | jim | cafuego: yes, that's part of my point |
| 00:51.18 | cafuego | The finder is *completely* scriptable. |
| 00:51.22 | simonrvn | i *like* the shell. it's like coming home |
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| 00:51.32 | jim | simonrvn: I do too |
| 00:51.32 | directhex | PerfDave, nothing integrated & automatic would be possible (other tyhan in a haphazard fashion) without changes to .deb structure/metadata# |
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| 00:51.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: has been since forever |
| 00:51.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: Indeed. |
| 00:51.50 | simonrvn | eew. /me hugs zsh |
| 00:52.04 | directhex | erm... Explorer is scriptable. what do you think .vbs files are for? |
| 00:52.08 | Vladi | hi, im trying to set up a jabber server and am wondering how to enable SSL? is there a jabberd package that is SSL compiled in the debian sarge archive? |
| 00:52.21 | humbolt | I'd say, the way the kde project handles it on the web is much better as far as usability is concerned! It is more easy to get an overview about the bus submitted, it is more easy to read through all the comments to a bug report and I get to what I want much faster! |
| 00:52.29 | cafuego | directhex: For spreading malware payloads via email, i thought. |
| 00:52.38 | jcook | I have 2 interfaces. eth0 (gw=192.168.0.1) and wlan0(gateway=192.168.1.1) ... how do I get both interfaces to work at the same time? |
| 00:52.41 | directhex | cafuego, exactly! |
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| 00:52.55 | cafuego | directhex: Note that Applescript was NOT designed to do that. |
| 00:53.09 | simonrvn | it's also a bit slow |
| 00:53.17 | directhex | cafuego, you can't automate sending of email with applescript? laaaaaaaaaaame |
| 00:53.26 | Gandalf_vhcs | hello, |
| 00:53.26 | Gandalf_vhcs | i'm trying to install debian on my HP pavilion dv1071ea (also called dv1000 series) ive tried a lot with/without nolapic noapic on the installation boot, but everytime the installation reach the step of Grub installer it hangs on the sub-step "Determing boot device", when i press Alt+F3 I can see that the installation hangs on the step Setting-up Grub |
| 00:53.26 | Gandalf_vhcs | any idea?? |
| 00:53.31 | leOn | jcook: man interfaces |
| 00:53.39 | jcook | leOn: yeah what |
| 00:53.55 | cafuego | directhex: of course you can. the idea is some spotty 12-yo german lamer can't. ;-) |
| 00:53.58 | leOn | jcook: type "man interfaces" in the console and read it |
| 00:54.00 | simonrvn | jcook: sounds like you need to play with your routing a bit |
| 00:54.14 | leOn | jcook: "man" is the man pages command |
| 00:54.14 | jcook | leOn: what simonrvn said |
| 00:54.28 | directhex | cafuego, so it's like vbscript, with poor syntax? that sucks! |
| 00:54.32 | jcook | simonrvn: i know that much ... but that's where I get stuck |
| 00:54.33 | directhex | yes, /me is just trolling |
| 00:54.33 | jim | I'm just suggesting that linux without x (i.e., in virtual console) is to x window system (the graphical thingy most used here) as a nicely designed but plain-looking house is to an addon on the other side of the garage |
| 00:54.50 | simonrvn | a bit of creative iproute stuff, and priortsing. don't ask me how to do that (yet) though ;) |
| 00:55.01 | simonrvn | jcook: www.lartc.org |
| 00:55.05 | jim | because most of the functionality is in the house |
| 00:55.05 | N0ob2Debian | Gandalf . if I were to guess I'd say that there is a hidden partition thats screwing up grub on your HP .. having worked for hp for a few their images screw a lot of things up |
| 00:55.17 | jcook | simonrvn: i knew that was gonna happen |
| 00:55.30 | simonrvn | jcook: *the* source. |
| 00:55.31 | N0ob2Debian | try writing zeros to the drive and starting over |
| 00:55.35 | jcook | simonrvn: is there a irc channel? |
| 00:56.03 | cafuego | jcook: The iproute2 docs should be faily self-explanatory. |
| 00:56.15 | simonrvn | #iptabkes, or maybe #lartc |
| 00:56.16 | leOn | jcook: by "how do I get both interfaces to work at the same time" one usually thinks that you're having troubles setting up both interfaces simultaneously |
| 00:56.20 | simonrvn | iptables rather |
| 00:56.28 | Gandalf_vhcs | NOob2Debian: yes indeed there's a partiton for the HP quickplay which is 0x88 system file iwas trying with it, now i'm trying without it (make it 280Mb of non-partitioned space) |
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| 00:56.37 | cafuego | http://www.google.com/search?q=iproute2+multi-homing |
| 00:56.49 | simonrvn | leOn: yes, and you can't set both to have default route, otherwise it won't work ;) |
| 00:56.49 | jcook | even if the routes were shit (which im sure they are) ... I would have thought `traceroute -i wlan0 216.239.57.104` would still work |
| 00:57.12 | jcook | traceroute -i eth0 216.239.57.104 works |
| 00:57.15 | jcook | traceroute -i wlan0 216.239.57.104 doesn't |
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| 00:57.30 | N0ob2Debian | I think HP has a thing against linux cuz I had to write zeros to many an older HP just to get XP to install right |
| 00:57.36 | jcook | traceroute via wlan0 does not get to the gateway |
| 00:57.42 | leOn | but he wants to use BOTH as default gws? |
| 00:57.45 | cafuego | simonrvn: You can't with ifconfig, but with iproute2 you can, afaik. You can weight them equally so both will be used half the time. |
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| 00:57.52 | simonrvn | leOn: um, you *can't* |
| 00:57.56 | leOn | i know that |
| 00:57.59 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh |
| 00:58.08 | leOn | i'm trying to understand what he wants |
| 00:58.16 | cafuego | simonrvn: So he needs to look for iptoute2 docs/FAQs. |
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| 00:58.25 | cafuego | s/t/r/ |
| 00:58.27 | simonrvn | but if you're multi-homing, you're not likely to be having a default route |
| 00:58.29 | PerfDave | leOn: I think he wants to "double his bandwidth" by connecting through a wired and wireless network simultaneously. |
| 00:58.37 | cafuego | simonrvn: Well, true. |
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| 00:59.03 | DaCa | I think he just wants to bridge them |
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| 00:59.16 | jcook | like i said ... if I am using traceroute -I <interface> ... I dont see why I need any default routes ? |
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| 00:59.24 | simonrvn | so jcook, what *is* your intention anyway? |
| 00:59.35 | Gandalf_vhcs | NOob2Debian: what do you suggest, i have powerquest partition magic installed so i can merge, split any partion so what do you suggest, BTW it's the last partition not at the boot, here's the partition table, 1)Widows 2) swap 3)ext3 4) non-partitoned space |
| 00:59.35 | cafuego | jcook: Because the linux networkign stack was DESIGNED THAT WAY. |
| 00:59.45 | cafuego | jcook: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2004-January/009587.html |
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| 01:01.17 | N0ob2Debian | Gandalf .. unless you need to save something on there.. like I said I would write zeros to the whole thing and pubt windows on after linux |
| 01:01.27 | N0ob2Debian | pubt=put |
| 01:01.32 | simonrvn | that's a nice summary actually |
| 01:01.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: ^^ |
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| 01:01.48 | cafuego | simonrvn: *nod* First google hit, too. |
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| 01:02.03 | simonrvn | cool |
| 01:02.10 | cafuego | simonrvn: Especially the 'PITA' bit ;-) |
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| 01:02.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 01:02.28 | Gandalf_vhcs | NOob2Debian: hmmmmmmm.. you mean delete all partitions and reinstall all over again, that could be possible i have an external HDD and i can backup my data, but is it really the last choice? |
| 01:02.33 | N0ob2Debian | Gateway has a nice tool called GWscan they keep pretty up to date with hard drives that can easily write the zeros for you |
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| 01:03.00 | jcook | no ... not bridging |
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| 01:03.05 | zinx | those again? |
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| 01:03.11 | cafuego | !ops PI SPAM! |
| 01:03.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PI SPAM! |
| 01:03.12 | FieldySnuts | @ops flooders |
| 01:03.15 | simonrvn | polygams: bugger off |
| 01:03.15 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooders |
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| 01:03.24 | shakparl | ruh roh |
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| 01:03.25 | leOn | is that pi? |
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| 01:03.27 | leOn | =D |
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| 01:03.37 | burtonator | so if I do an apt-get dist-update from testing then I'm runing Debian 3.1/Sarge? |
| 01:03.41 | simonrvn | @ElectricElf++ |
| 01:03.45 | stew | leOn: not exactly |
| 01:03.48 | Azra`el | ElectricElf++ |
| 01:03.50 | shakparl | a pi botnet? |
| 01:03.55 | cafuego | leOn: yeah, PI got subverted |
| 01:03.58 | PerfDave | burtonator: If you're running testing, you're already running Sarge. |
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| 01:04.26 | N0ob2Debian | Gandalf im pretty sure your going to have to because like I said theres a hidden partition there that is used for (QA testing) |
| 01:04.35 | jim | simonrvn: anyways, if you could think for awhile on the best thing to do about the u factoid, let me know what you all decide... my position is clear, I think; additionally I'd be satisfied if the factoid weren't used repeatedly within reasonable time frame... i.e., that it didn't cause actual problems while I was in conversations with people |
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| 01:05.06 | burtonator | PerfDave: thats what I thought |
| 01:05.08 | TonyRoberts | does debian use the new kernel? |
| 01:05.11 | TonyRoberts | or old one? |
| 01:05.18 | TonyRoberts | currently? |
| 01:05.20 | jcook | simonrvn: leOn: I had this silly idea im my head that it would be a simple task ... I guess this is one area doze actually shits on linux |
| 01:05.21 | cafuego | TonyRoberts: What new kernel? 2.0.40? no. |
| 01:05.26 | dondelelcaro | TonyRoberts: the answer is "yes" |
| 01:05.26 | jim | TonyRoberts: you can build kernels for it |
| 01:05.29 | leOn | TonyRoberts: mine uses 2.6.11 =) |
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| 01:05.55 | directhex | i'll stick with 2.6.8 on here, since it works. my htpc will run 2.6.11 when i rebuild it |
| 01:05.58 | d0t | hola |
| 01:05.59 | leOn | jcook: man ... we didn't yet understood what the hell you want to do |
| 01:06.05 | d0t | does knoppix use debian sources for apt-get? |
| 01:06.07 | simonrvn | once i get these schema up to speed, i'm going to want to edit exim ;) |
| 01:06.12 | PerfDave | d0t: Ask #knoppix |
| 01:06.14 | trickyhu | Anyone know how to get the cyrus21 package to let you log in as the cyrus admin? |
| 01:06.16 | jcook | leOn: 1 box .. 2 interfaces yeah? |
| 01:06.16 | citral | d0t: how would we know? |
| 01:06.30 | directhex | !cyrus |
| 01:06.30 | dpkg | well, cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 01:06.32 | d0t | its DEBIAN based, no pun intended |
| 01:06.33 | leOn | jcook: you can do PILES of stuff with two interfaces |
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| 01:06.36 | cafuego | jcook: Multiple interfaces in windows don't work like you think they work either. |
| 01:06.38 | leOn | want me to enumerate? |
| 01:06.49 | jcook | cafuego: yet ... they do work |
| 01:06.50 | PerfDave | d0t: That doesn't mean that #debian has anything to do with it, this is a channel for Debian, not Knoppix. |
| 01:06.52 | jim | TonyRoberts: also it's -possible- (but probably an involved process) to build a customized kernel to be used in the install process |
| 01:06.56 | citral | d0t: yeah, based. |
| 01:06.57 | cafuego | jcook: Notable it invariably uses tha one which reports a higher link speed, regardless of whether it actually WORKS. |
| 01:07.02 | directhex | d0t, ozone is oxygen based. breathing it will not be good for your health |
| 01:07.14 | directhex | !debian solutions |
| 01:07.14 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 01:07.15 | d0t | chill, sorry, stop flaming |
| 01:07.16 | jcook | cafuego: ive looked into all that |
| 01:07.32 | PerfDave | d0t: nobody's flaming, we're just pointing out that you're asking in the wrong place. |
| 01:07.35 | citral | d0t: we got a billion of you per day |
| 01:07.36 | TonyRoberts | is it difficult to get a sound card working on debian? |
| 01:07.40 | jcook | cafuego: there is netstat for doze ya know |
| 01:07.45 | dondelelcaro | TonyRoberts: no... /msg dpkg audio |
| 01:07.51 | leOn | jcook: is that what you want?... use both interfaces as simultaneous default gateways ? |
| 01:07.54 | TonyRoberts | mm |
| 01:08.11 | jcook | leOn: OK ... |
| 01:08.13 | TonyRoberts | why is everyone shitting about gentoo |
| 01:08.14 | cafuego | jcook: You did perhaps not explain all that well what you want to do with those two interfaces. |
| 01:08.25 | cafuego | TonyRoberts: Coz it's a waste of time. |
| 01:08.28 | TonyRoberts | it doesnt even let you install from floppies |
| 01:08.42 | TonyRoberts | I tried netbsd from floppies yesterday |
| 01:08.49 | TonyRoberts | I even got X workign and ftp |
| 01:08.58 | TonyRoberts | but before I could install firefox someone hacked me |
| 01:09.00 | jcook | leOn: I have 2 interfaces wlan0=192.168.1 ... eth0 = 192.168.0 |
| 01:09.01 | dondelelcaro | TonyRoberts: nb, gentoo is a bit OT here... if you want to discuss it, ask in #gentoo |
| 01:09.06 | TonyRoberts | adn removed my ls command |
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| 01:09.24 | cafuego | TonyRoberts: That seems unlikely. |
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| 01:09.47 | TonyRoberts | ? |
| 01:09.47 | leOn | jcook: like i said ... i just want to know what you want to do ... not the specifics of what you have |
| 01:09.56 | cafuego | !dondelelcaro++ |
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| 01:10.08 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.12 | *** mode/#Debian [+bbbb *!*@217.219.127.99 *!*@200.84.227.203 *!*@219.157.155.153 *!*@220.234.21.254] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:10.25 | TonyRoberts | hello? |
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| 01:10.32 | jcook | apps that bind to wlan0 ... send they're packets out via wlan0 to the wlan0 gateway ... and visa versa for eth0 |
| 01:10.34 | *** mode/#Debian [-i] by dondelelcaro |
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| 01:10.44 | bmccormick | evening |
| 01:10.46 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: you broke it |
| 01:10.57 | jim | has joined? |
| 01:10.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, stupid select buffer switched on me |
| 01:11.00 | eronvik | which x-server should i use on a laptop with 24mb ram and 100mhz cpu? |
| 01:11.10 | Guerin | eronvik: none |
| 01:11.14 | zinx | dondelelcaro: might want to fix the ] as well |
| 01:11.19 | *** mode/#Debian [-bb has!*@* joined!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:11.20 | foureyes779 | ls st* |
| 01:11.25 | jcook | leOn: what? |
| 01:11.35 | leOn | how hard can it be for someone to tell what he wants |
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| 01:11.40 | zinx | dondelelcaro: /mode * -b+b *!*@202.153.232.164] *!*@202.153.232.164 |
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| 01:11.44 | jcook | leOn: fine |
| 01:11.47 | cafuego | eronvik: Woody with XF3.3.6 should be OK on that. |
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| 01:11.48 | leOn | is that so hard? |
| 01:12.02 | PerfDave | jcook: How is an application supposed to "bind" to an interface? You mean you want to run seperate daemons on different interfaces? |
| 01:12.08 | Guerin | just use xf4.4 and ratpoison |
| 01:12.09 | stew | eronvik: debian only has one xserver |
| 01:12.11 | Guerin | err |
| 01:12.13 | Guerin | 4.x |
| 01:12.21 | cafuego | stew: No, you're mistaken. |
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| 01:12.27 | leOn | he doesn't know what he wants, but he thinks hs does |
| 01:12.32 | leOn | that is his problem |
| 01:12.36 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:12.36 | cafuego | Guerin: that's going to swap like mad, though. |
| 01:12.38 | PerfDave | Debian woody has multiple x servers, Debian sarge only has one AFAIK. |
| 01:12.42 | jcook | leOn: that is true |
| 01:12.43 | stew | cafuego: what's another besides xfree? (not counting vnc) |
| 01:12.56 | cafuego | stew: XF3.3.6/ XF4.2, XF4.3 |
| 01:12.59 | Guerin | better yet, just don't use an x server |
| 01:13.00 | stew | ok |
| 01:13.07 | stew | different versions of the same xserver |
| 01:13.10 | cafuego | stew: Depending on debian versiom. |
| 01:13.13 | jim | on top of that there are backports for woody of more x servers |
| 01:13.14 | eronvik | cafuego: will flushbox be a nice desktop with XF3? |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | what .. no berlin? |
| 01:13.31 | leOn | gnite yall |
| 01:13.31 | cafuego | eronvik: And you probably want a 2.2 kernel, NOT a 2.4 one. |
| 01:13.35 | jcook | leOn: have both interfaces working ... when I move the laptop downstairs ... I plug in the "little blue cable" but still have PSI bound to wlan0 ... |
| 01:13.36 | jcook | poo |
| 01:13.37 | pipeline | cafuego: Does the SPARC port have MIT XSun? |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 01:13.53 | PerfDave | jcook: Oh, you want *that*? |
| 01:13.56 | eronvik | cafuego: yup, i've got the 2.2 kernel. |
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| 01:14.09 | cafuego | eronvik: The window manager won't care about which X server you run, it's all interchangeable. |
| 01:14.25 | pipeline | abrotman: Hmm, it appears there was an xserver-xsun at some time |
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| 01:14.36 | citral | !spell interchangeable |
| 01:14.38 | dpkg | 'interchangeable' may be spelled correctly |
| 01:14.44 | leOn | jcook: maybe a bridge could solve your problem |
| 01:14.47 | citral | hmm exactly like in french |
| 01:14.47 | cafuego | pipeline: I don't see why a doorstop needs X. |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | leOn: bed? |
| 01:14.51 | PerfDave | jcook: Look at packages like laptop-net - just "apt-cache search laptop" |
| 01:14.58 | pipeline | cafuego: The same reason a toaster needs BSD. |
| 01:15.00 | leOn | abrotman: 1:15am already |
| 01:15.01 | eronvik | cafuego: ok. i've never testet flushbox. is it lightweight enough for this laptop? |
| 01:15.05 | jcook | essentiall ... the same shit doze does ... and doesn't bitch about it ...which is why I think it is lame that im here trying to get a fscking answer which know one knows ... most likely cause linux cant actually do it |
| 01:15.17 | jim | eronvik: the x server will usually display what is called upon by x client programs.. the varying factor is how well drivers for specific video cards work with those cards |
| 01:15.18 | cafuego | eronvik: Should be .. there's an easy way to find out ;-) |
| 01:15.18 | jcook | leOn: dhcp |
| 01:15.24 | leOn | have i have to feed the kid |
| 01:15.34 | leOn | jcook: so use dhcp in the bridge device |
| 01:15.38 | leOn | what's the problem? |
| 01:15.48 | burtonator | anyone know why cvsup isn't in testing or unstable but its in stable? |
| 01:15.52 | burtonator | is there a licenseing issue with cvsup? |
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| 01:15.59 | eronvik | cafuego: will do :) |
| 01:16.01 | jcook | leOn: that's a bit dodgy |
| 01:16.02 | PerfDave | jcook: apt-get install laptop-net |
| 01:16.03 | leOn | you don't even have to bridge |
| 01:16.06 | dondelelcaro | burtonator: probably because someone asked for it to be removed from the archive. |
| 01:16.11 | zinx | jcook: how so? |
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| 01:16.18 | PerfDave | jcook: That will allow you to have your system's network configuraiton change when you plug in or disconnect your wired ethernet. |
| 01:16.18 | leOn | you just have to give the same address to the other device |
| 01:16.30 | leOn | make dhcp give both the same address |
| 01:16.31 | zinx | jcook: any decent NAT is going to have DHCP support, on both sides |
| 01:16.35 | cair0 | Hey im having trouble installing debian on an old IBM Thinkpad |
| 01:16.45 | leOn | then you just have to ifup and ifdown |
| 01:16.59 | leOn | apps don't _bind_ to devices |
| 01:17.05 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 01:17.17 | leOn | they memorize ip adds the most |
| 01:17.23 | zinx | cair0: what kind of trouble? what version of debian? which IBM thinkpad? |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | bed! |
| 01:17.26 | jcook | leOn: they bind to addresses right? |
| 01:17.26 | cair0 | After the boot: prompt comes up, i hit enter, and it says "Boot failed" |
| 01:17.32 | cafuego | typical |
| 01:17.40 | leOn | if you use the same address you stop having that problem |
| 01:17.46 | cair0 | This is using the latest floppy images |
| 01:17.51 | leOn | just use the same subnet for both wired and wireless |
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| 01:18.00 | leOn | and you have your problem solved |
| 01:18.11 | jcook | leOn: by using a bridge |
| 01:18.13 | jcook | ? |
| 01:18.13 | citral | cair0: then try to typr "linux26" then press enter |
| 01:18.15 | leOn | no |
| 01:18.16 | zinx | cair0: "latest" does not help |
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| 01:18.21 | PerfDave | leOn: Or he could just "apt-get install laptop-net" |
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| 01:18.35 | leOn | by giving both eth0 and wlan0 the same address (alternatly of course) |
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| 01:18.53 | leOn | PerfDave: i don't know all those fancy things yet |
| 01:18.54 | leOn | =) |
| 01:18.59 | zinx | cair0: which thinkpad is this? |
| 01:18.59 | eronvik | cafuego: hmmm... flushbox isn't a debian-package. are there other leighweight desktops suitable for crappy laptops? |
| 01:19.23 | JoshH | eronvik: did you try fluxbox? |
| 01:19.24 | citral | eronvik: that's fluxbox |
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| 01:19.44 | leOn | bye |
| 01:19.49 | cair0 | the image i am using is: /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/boot.img |
| 01:19.52 | eronvik | aha :) |
| 01:19.57 | humbolt | is there any xorg deb available that comes with enough dummy packages to not screw up my system, meaning apt-get dist-upgrade does not want to deinstall all xserver-xfree86 related packages? |
| 01:20.05 | zinx | cair0: what thinkpad is it? |
| 01:20.08 | cair0 | and it's a thinkpad 385cd |
| 01:20.33 | jim | humbolt: maybe something on apt-get.org or backports.org? |
| 01:20.38 | JoshH | humbolt: are you actually upgrading from one release to another? if not, use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade |
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| 01:20.45 | jim | dunno, you'd have to check |
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| 01:21.01 | JoshH | oh i see, youre getting xorg |
| 01:21.08 | JoshH | still though |
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| 01:21.13 | zinx | cair0: hmm |
| 01:21.16 | JoshH | dont dist-upgrade unless you are upgrading dists |
| 01:21.28 | hogmeat | my scsi aic7xxx device driver doesnt load early enough during the boot sequence, and it causes mount errors. any ideas how to resolve this? |
| 01:21.29 | stew | JoshH: why? |
| 01:21.43 | zinx | cair0: do you have a CD drive for it? |
| 01:21.44 | simonrvn | dselect-upgrade is better for that (not changing dists) |
| 01:21.45 | JoshH | stew: because it tends to break stuff |
| 01:21.50 | jcook | PerfDave: so your saying laptop-net will detect the cable was plugged in ... disable wlan0 and enable eth0 ? |
| 01:21.57 | cair0 | zinx: yes, but it won't boot from a cd |
| 01:21.59 | stew | JoshH: it does? i think you are mistaken |
| 01:22.04 | jim | hogmeat: you probably need to compile all the scsi stuff in the kernel... either that or build an initrd setup |
| 01:22.04 | JoshH | im not |
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| 01:22.11 | PerfDave | jcook: I believe that the package can be used to achieve that, but I've not tried it myself. It seems a promising place to start, though. |
| 01:22.13 | simonrvn | not, he's right |
| 01:22.14 | zinx | cair0: unfortunate.. run badblocks on your floppy disk |
| 01:22.15 | burtonator | dondelelcaro: what would be the reasons for having something removed from the archive? And where could I find out why? |
| 01:22.19 | hogmeat | jim: thanks .. |
| 01:22.19 | simonrvn | no* |
| 01:22.22 | humbolt | JoshH: I am upgrading sarge not released to sarge not released but some further. I am supposed to use dist-upgrade for that. I have benn told several times. |
| 01:22.32 | stew | JoshH: in what way might it break things? |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | burtonator: possibly debian.org/devel/wnpp |
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| 01:22.49 | JoshH | stew: removing things that shouldnt be removed, for one |
| 01:22.50 | zinx | cair0: or something else that checks it for bad sectors |
| 01:22.53 | hogmeat | is there an easy way to upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 01:22.57 | simonrvn | i second JoshH on this |
| 01:22.58 | PerfDave | !why is foo not in debian |
| 01:22.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, PerfDave |
| 01:23.08 | cair0 | zinx: yeah i'm checking that out right now |
| 01:23.12 | jim | hogmeat: what debian you using now? |
| 01:23.15 | simonrvn | @why foo is not in debian |
| 01:23.15 | ravenbird | simonrvn: what are you talking about? |
| 01:23.18 | hogmeat | jim: sarge |
| 01:23.20 | simonrvn | wth |
| 01:23.24 | PerfDave | hogmeat: In sarge, just install a 2.6 kernel-image package. In woody, it's harder. |
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| 01:23.33 | dondelelcaro | burtonator: read the bugs on ftp.debian.org |
| 01:23.33 | simonrvn | what happend to that factoid? |
| 01:23.46 | jim | yeah, you can just install a kernel-image-2.6.x-foo package |
| 01:23.57 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 44520 |
| 01:23.58 | simonrvn | @listvals not in debian |
| 01:24.00 | Azra`el | What do i feed the bot to find out how to make udev 666 my modem instead of 661'ing it. |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | DONE:#44520:G[ftp.debian.org] cvsup: Unsatisfied dependency Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:13:42 UTC |
| 01:24.05 | dondelelcaro | burtonator: ^^^^ |
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| 01:24.30 | Tweak`TG-Owner | for an amd64 processors a k7 kernel is ok right? or do I need i686? |
| 01:24.32 | simonrvn | PerfDave: O_O ;p |
| 01:24.46 | zinx | PerfDave: bash: watch: No space left on device |
| 01:24.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: -k8 .. that's why it's amd64 |
| 01:25.06 | Tweak`TG-Owner | k8?! arg ok |
| 01:25.15 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I didnt see any in the apt-cache search |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | guess you're fucked then |
| 01:25.23 | jcook | PerfDave: that doesnt solve the problem as ...I [should] have a working wireless connection which (eg) PSI has bound to. that interface will be taken down ... and psi will have to firgure out afer a long time that it needs to rebind ... that's is a hack ... the reson I have not gotten an answer to my 4 week old question is because I do not want a hack as the answer ... I want someone to a) tell me the answer to get the linux kernel to do it, or if it not possib |
| 01:25.40 | PerfDave | jcook: Have you tried it? |
| 01:26.02 | jcook | PerfDave: be sure that I will |
| 01:26.02 | hogmeat | here goes apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:26.21 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: a k7 kernel will work fine on an amd64, but Sarge has some -amd64-k8 kernels |
| 01:26.30 | PerfDave | jcook: Try first, bitch later. |
| 01:26.39 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abrotman oh I see it now, if I run a k8 kernel will it be in 64-bit mode? I dont want that. |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: no . it won't |
| 01:26.53 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: apt-cache show |
| 01:27.04 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abrotman ok cool thanks! oh I havnt tried show let me try that. |
| 01:27.13 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: The kernel will be 64-bit, but you will be able to run 32-bit libraries and applications on it |
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| 01:27.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: i didn't think they were 64bit at all |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:27.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: The amd64-k8 ones are, AFAIK |
| 01:27.59 | Tweak`TG-Owner | perfdave .... hmm.. oh ... well I have been having some major problems with 64 bit stuff.... I tried the 64-bit OS that the debian-amd64 channel talks about, but I couldnt run my game server in 64. |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: we should ask the kernel people! |
| 01:28.20 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Afaik? |
| 01:28.21 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: 64-bit kernel != 64-bit OS |
| 01:28.23 | jcook | PerfDave: OK ... it's installed ... I stop/ started it ... ... nothing |
| 01:28.31 | PerfDave | !afaik |
| 01:28.31 | dpkg | from memory, afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 01:28.39 | PerfDave | jcook: Have you read the documentation? |
| 01:28.43 | Azra`el | "afaik" "afraid i don't care" |
| 01:28.45 | Azra`el | =] |
| 01:28.54 | jcook | PerfDave: /usr/share/doc/laptop-net/README.Debian ? |
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| 01:29.08 | PerfDave | jcook: I dunno. Or the laptop-net-doc package. |
| 01:29.10 | zinx | Azra`el: sidttr |
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| 01:29.17 | modeman | what is the syntax to find any files within the entire directory namedPQ ? |
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| 01:29.26 | PerfDave | modeman: find . -name 'PQ' |
| 01:29.26 | jcook | PerfDave: installing |
| 01:29.27 | Tweak`TG-Owner | Perfdave hmm.. ok will there be any performance gain using the k8 over the k7? if im just going to do 32 bit progs? or should I just do the k8 thats 64 and somehow also do 32 progs? |
| 01:29.33 | modeman | oooh thanks |
| 01:30.06 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: A -amd64-k8 kernel will probably be faster than a -k7 kernel on the same hardware, even running 32 bit programs. But don't take my word for it. |
| 01:30.19 | pipeline | Tweak`TG-Owner: Just install the k7 and wait for a full-fledged amd64 port. |
| 01:30.20 | Tweak`TG-Owner | whos word should I take? |
| 01:30.29 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: Benchmark it yourself! |
| 01:30.33 | Azra`el | his |
| 01:30.35 | citral | Michael Jacksosn's |
| 01:30.42 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: Put it like this, I don't think there'll be any harm in installing a -amd64-k8 kernel |
| 01:30.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | perfdave yeah I did but it just crashed my software. |
| 01:30.47 | modeman | PerfDave: how about anywhere in the file system? |
| 01:30.53 | PerfDave | modeman: man find |
| 01:31.00 | humbolt | Cant sarge be at least compartible to xorg concerning package dependencies (using meta packages)? |
| 01:31.04 | jim | Tweak`TG-Owner: probably the most conservative, which is "try the k7 first, wait for people to finish k8" |
| 01:31.08 | modeman | i traveresed it without much luck |
| 01:31.17 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: That was running a 64-bit OS, not running a 64-bit kernel |
| 01:31.18 | modeman | my syntax is poor |
| 01:31.20 | Atrocity | this dialup proxy net install is so slow taht i'm just sitting on term2 typing ifconfig and watching my RX go up... |
| 01:31.26 | Atrocity | i'm THAT bored :P |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | PerfDave: the only response i got so far .. 64bit |
| 01:31.30 | PerfDave | modeman: The answer is int he first few lines. |
| 01:31.32 | modeman | k |
| 01:31.34 | modeman | thanks |
| 01:31.36 | Tweak`TG-Owner | perfdave doesnt a 64-bit os have a 64-bit kernel? |
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| 01:31.53 | PerfDave | Tweak`TG-Owner: Yes, but a 32-bit OS can have a 64-bit kernel too, which is what Sarge running an -amd64-k8 kernel is. |
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| 01:32.08 | Azra`el | Tweak`TG-Owner: or, like windows XP 64, it can be a 32 bit OS with a two bit kernel |
| 01:32.12 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok perfdave thanks for your help im going to apt-get the k8 and see how she handles |
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| 01:32.19 | bobotheclow | is there a reason my MTA tries to read my cdrom and keeps it in use |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | bobotheclow: your mail spool is on your CD drive? |
| 01:32.34 | citral | Azra`el: with a 16 bit stack over |
| 01:32.39 | Azra`el | heh |
| 01:32.41 | bobotheclow | im not sure |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | !windows |
| 01:32.41 | dpkg | [windows] from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
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| 01:32.53 | Azra`el | lol |
| 01:32.58 | Azra`el | panic(3) |
| 01:32.59 | Azra`el | hahaha |
| 01:33.03 | eronvik | XF3.3.6... is that xserver-common-v3 ? |
| 01:33.23 | jcook | PerfDave: sorry ... but that package is not going to help |
| 01:33.34 | bobotheclow | how can i change this abrotman |
| 01:33.37 | PerfDave | jcook: *shrug* I suggest you go run Windows then. |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | bobotheclow: i was joking .. i have no idea |
| 01:34.07 | jcook | PerfDave: yes ... it's a sad day when the answer is "go back to doze" |
| 01:34.26 | PerfDave | jcook: It is sad, yes. But some people just can't be helped. |
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| 01:34.57 | jcook | the kernel wont do what it's not designed to do |
| 01:35.07 | citral | jcook: sadly, the linux attitude would be the opposite as waiting 4 weeks to get an answer, it would be to try, serch, try again until you get it working |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | jcook: did you check linux-laptop.net ? |
| 01:35.31 | Azra`el | citral, Yeah |
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| 01:35.44 | jcook | abrotman: dude ... do you know what the issue is? |
| 01:35.50 | BenDrake | I am using debian sarge with KDE, and I debian isnt picking up my cdrom drive. |
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| 01:36.06 | abrotman | jcook: how many different install kernels have you tried? |
| 01:36.07 | PerfDave | jcook: Yeah, so all those people who've got exactly what you require working under Linux must be doing it by magic ;) |
| 01:36.10 | jcook | I think my last resort is lartc.org |
| 01:36.22 | citral | I spent 7 Hours today to get printing from my linux box on a windows print server with a windows only no-ps printer |
| 01:36.29 | BenDrake | the error that its giving me is "mount: can't find cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 01:36.30 | citral | and it works now :) |
| 01:36.40 | jcook | PerfDave: what makes you think that there are other ppl doing what I want? |
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| 01:36.46 | PerfDave | jcook: I know there are. |
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| 01:36.48 | abrotman | jcook: did you try the woody installers and the sarge installer ? |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | this is the ibm laptop right? |
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| 01:37.04 | skydoll | good night |
| 01:37.05 | jcook | abrotman: yeah like that's the answer |
| 01:37.06 | Bac9 | how should "if a mask is specified, this is logically ANDed with the mask before the comparison" be interpreted for mark match in iptables? To me it sound like it's using the mask on the value in the rule, although using the mask on the value in the packet would make more sence, so which is it? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | jcook: does the sarge installer boot? |
| 01:37.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, he wants his laptop to switch over from using wi0 to eth0 when he plugs the ethernet cable in, which is perfectly doable in Linux. |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | jcook: don't be smart .. i'm trying to help .. |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | for fuck's sake |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | i thought he couldn't get it installed :) |
| 01:37.45 | jcook | abrotman: I fail to see the relevance |
| 01:37.58 | abrotman | jcook: because i thought you were some other fucking person .. stop being an ass ... |
| 01:38.16 | citral | s/person/retard/ |
| 01:38.24 | TNKS | hey guys. I'm trying to debug my Xsession scripts, where will my echos end up? How can I look at them? Is there any way to send messages to /var/log/Xsession (I doubt it, I think that stuff is compiled in)? |
| 01:38.28 | cair0 | well i've got another problem now, after booting from the install disk, i ask the installer to install the extra modules from the driver floppy, but it's reporting that there are no drivers on it |
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| 01:38.47 | modeman | PerfDave: got it - find / -name 'PQ*' |
| 01:38.50 | cair0 | though if i go into a shell i can moust it and see all the different *.udeb files |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | jcook: you want a package or you're just asking how ? |
| 01:38.57 | PerfDave | TNKS: You might be able to print stuff to STDERR, and see if it shows up in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:38.57 | cair0 | i just dont know what to do with them |
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| 01:38.58 | modeman | PerfDave: thanks =) |
| 01:39.02 | PerfDave | modeman: Good oh :) |
| 01:39.24 | citral | modeman: if you run it as regular user, put 2>/dev/null at the end ;) |
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| 01:39.30 | abrotman | ok . never mind then |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 01:39.41 | jcook | abrotman: I think im asking 'what insane ip commands do I need ' |
| 01:39.41 | TNKS | PerfDave, pardon my ignorance of sh scripts, but how do you send messages to STDERR? |
| 01:39.43 | PerfDave | BenDrake: How are you trying to mount your CD-ROM? |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | jcook: afaik .. just change the default route |
| 01:40.24 | BenDrake | mount /dev/cdrom |
| 01:40.42 | PerfDave | BenDrake: Is /dev/cdrom your CD drive? |
| 01:40.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: He's been given the names of several packages which may do what he want, but refuses to read the documentation for them or configure them. |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | oh .. well then .. lazy people just suck |
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| 01:41.12 | w0w0 | somebody knows how i can tell bogofilter for write Yes or No in the mail headers? |
| 01:41.37 | Bac9 | how should "if a mask is specified, this is logically ANDed with the mask before the comparison" be interpreted for mark match in iptables? To me it sound like it's using the mask on the value in the rule, although using the mask on the value in the packet would make more sence, so which is it? |
| 01:41.39 | BenDrake | its the only one int the dev dir |
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| 01:41.45 | w0w0 | i filter with sieve |
| 01:41.49 | jcook | abrotman: so ? ... every time a packet from a different interface comes thru ... I should change the default route ... sounds good |
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| 01:41.52 | vladster | is there a command that can scan the pci bus for the cards present? |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | Bac9: #iptables |
| 01:41.58 | zignig | vladster: lspci |
| 01:42.03 | jcook | blind leading the blind |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | jcook: that's not what i said .. but you do whatever you want |
| 01:42.05 | Bac9 | abrotman: am there, noone is replying |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | Bac9: that makes this the right place? |
| 01:42.19 | PerfDave | Hmm, copying 36Gb from vfat to ext2 takes 45 minutes, copying the same from ext2 to ext3 takes 18 minutes. |
| 01:42.21 | abrotman | !piav |
| 01:42.21 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 01:42.31 | PerfDave | !not supporting iptables |
| 01:42.31 | jim | Bac9: first the mask is applied then the comparison performed. that's what the thing you pasted says. |
| 01:42.32 | jcook | I will ... I will go to lartc.org ... add my post ... and get back answers which does answer the question |
| 01:42.32 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support iptables too. Try #iptables or donating money to charity. |
| 01:42.38 | Bac9 | abrotman: it's a more generic room, i.e. distro that I use |
| 01:42.50 | Bac9 | jim: applied to what though |
| 01:42.51 | Atrocity | charity as in me |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | and when i need iptables help .. i go to #iptables and wait |
| 01:43.00 | Bac9 | jim: that's what I am confused about |
| 01:43.01 | citral | TNKS: man bash will probably answer that |
| 01:43.10 | jim | Bac9: an IP address |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | jcook: you're so lazy .... |
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| 01:43.22 | jcook | abrotman: how so? |
| 01:43.28 | BenDrake | fixed it. |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | jcook: i already told you exactly how to do it |
| 01:43.37 | BenDrake | it was labeled hdc |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | go read some docs |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:43.45 | jcook | abrotman: dude ... you dont get it ... it wont work ... |
| 01:43.45 | Bac9 | jim: it's a mask for the mark, but which mark, the one in the rule or the one on the packet? |
| 01:44.05 | BenDrake | automount |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | jcook: that's bullshit .. when eth0 gets an IP .. change the default route . .what's so hard about that ? |
| 01:44.10 | jim | probably the one on the packet... how would it make sense otherwise? |
| 01:44.24 | cafuego | fscking phpbb |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | fscking australia |
| 01:44.34 | jcook | abrotman: its not hard ... except ... that will not make BOTH interaces work at the same time |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | jcook: yes it does .. |
| 01:44.54 | PerfDave | jcook: Now you're changing your description of what you want to do again! |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | bah .. whatever .. i'm done |
| 01:44.55 | jim | Bac9: what's your understanding of what this part is for? |
| 01:44.59 | jcook | abrotman: alright |
| 01:45.10 | Bac9 | jim: that's what I am thinking too, but that's not how I am understanding the manpage, so I am asking to be sure |
| 01:45.12 | eronvik | how do i apt-get install a specific version of xfree86? |
| 01:45.12 | cafuego | Well, they repalced "Microsoft' so maybe it got enfaced. |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | jcook: you obviously don't understand what you want .. or how to do it .. |
| 01:45.13 | PerfDave | jcook: You already said you wanted to use eth0 when it was plugged in and wi0 otherwise, and you've been told how to do that. |
| 01:45.18 | PerfDave | eronvik: man apt-get |
| 01:45.31 | jcook | PerfDave: no ... that is not what i said |
| 01:45.36 | PerfDave | jcook: Yes it bloody is. |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | why would you want to use both? |
| 01:45.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: re-faced ;P |
| 01:45.45 | Bac9 | jim: which part? |
| 01:45.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 01:45.55 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 01:46.00 | abrotman | channel bonding of wifi and eth0 .. there's a fun trip |
| 01:46.06 | simonrvn | weee |
| 01:46.14 | jcook | abrotman: because applications have already bound to wlan0 ... so why make them rebind whent he interface should still work |
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| 01:46.28 | cafuego | abrotman: it's trivial. even with wep. |
| 01:46.30 | abrotman | jcook: so why switch to eth0 at all ? |
| 01:46.32 | jim | Bac9: this mark thing... I'm assuming this is for a firewall rule? |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | cafuego: good .. you help jcook |
| 01:46.40 | Bac9 | jim: yes |
| 01:46.44 | cafuego | abrotman: That's what i used to do with a P233 laptop running hermesap |
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| 01:46.53 | jcook | abrotman: 1) it's faster 2) doze can do i ... I refuse to accept linux can not |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | cafuego: i'd rather not go down that road this evening |
| 01:46.59 | jim | Bac9: whatcha tryin to do with it? |
| 01:47.06 | abrotman | jcook: linux can .. you're too lazy to |
| 01:47.07 | vladster | that fixed it, it was looking for a slot that was not there |
| 01:47.10 | cafuego | abrotman: No, just buying an AP is much easier. |
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| 01:47.15 | Bac9 | jim: match a bit in the mark |
| 01:47.24 | jcook | abrotman: tell me ... prove me wrong |
| 01:47.32 | jim | Bac9: zoom out one step... |
| 01:47.42 | Bac9 | jim: logically this is what it should do, but the manpage language seems to say otherwize |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | jcook: if you've read .. i think you've been told more than one .. or .. perhaps someone just randomly said it .. but you need to go read docs . it's not magic |
| 01:48.09 | jim | Bac9: what is "mark"? |
| 01:48.28 | jcook | abrotman: so you didn't actually know ... you were just pretending? |
| 01:48.28 | Bac9 | jim: mark pakets with a certain bitmark and then match each of the bits in other rules |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | jcook: i didn't say that .. i just think you're being an ass .. |
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| 01:49.35 | jcook | abrotman: can you please help me .. please |
| 01:49.35 | abrotman | jcook: you're basically insisting that we must help you .. or else! |
| 01:49.35 | Bac9 | jim: a "mark" is a 32 bit (or 64 bit on 64 bit cpu) unsigned int asociated with a packet |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | jcook: begging isn't becoming of a woman |
| 01:49.36 | PerfDave | abrotman: You see why I suggested that Windows might be the best solution for him? |
| 01:49.36 | cafuego | simonrvn: Hmm, looks like http://www.forum-microsoft.org/ runs phpbb too ;-) |
| 01:49.36 | jcook | abrotman: come on |
| 01:49.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: ugh |
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| 01:50.11 | jim | Bac9: where is that stored? |
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| 01:50.28 | jim | so you "mark" by storing a bit pattern in that place? |
| 01:51.09 | Bac9 | jim: asociated with the packet while it passes the firewall |
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| 01:51.23 | Bac9 | jim: yep |
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| 01:51.36 | jim | Bac9: so there is a data structure (mark, packet) in the firewall code |
| 01:51.44 | cair0 | I'm having some trouble with the debian installer... I'm trying to load the drivers from the net-driver floppy, but it is saying that it cant load them, when in face i can execute a shell and see the .udebs for the modules |
| 01:52.01 | cair0 | in fact* |
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| 01:52.44 | Bac9 | jim: I guess |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | jim: do i sound like nixon? |
| 01:53.12 | jim | ooh, nixon would be even better :) |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:53.29 | jim | or bush |
| 01:53.40 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 01:53.42 | jim | or bush syllables combined with bush sr and nixon |
| 01:54.22 | jim | and add perot, since they're both short |
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| 01:55.01 | abrotman | throw in forbes? |
| 01:55.04 | jim | is it actually possible to separate into syllables? |
| 01:55.12 | Azra`el | not really |
| 01:55.17 | jim | I've wanted to do that for a long time |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | make noises? |
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| 01:56.38 | jcook | fuck ... ping -I is broken |
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| 01:56.45 | abrotman | file a bug |
| 01:56.52 | Atrocity | installer doesn't even have ping :/ |
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| 01:57.02 | jcook | cafuego: I read the link you gave me ... it worked |
| 01:57.09 | jcook | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:57.11 | tga | I'm having trouble configuring an isa->pcmcia adapter.. should it just work like a laptop with pcmcia or do I need extra magic for the adapter? |
| 01:57.13 | eronvik | where can i find the xfree86 3.3.6 deb? |
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| 01:57.52 | jim | eronvik: xserver-<videocarddriver>? |
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| 01:58.18 | Azra`el | Tga: from a "pizza box" ibm? |
| 01:58.56 | eronvik | jim: it's for a laptop with 24mb ram and 100mhz cpu. |
| 01:59.00 | tga | Azra`el: nah, the system is a p166 hp vectra and the pcmcia adapter is this: Vadem VG-469 ISA-to-PCMCIA at port 0x3e2 ofs 0x00, 2 sockets |
| 01:59.14 | Azra`el | hm, cool |
| 01:59.21 | tga | I have an orinoco silver in it that I'm trying to use |
| 01:59.37 | jim | eronvik: wow... small, slow |
| 01:59.40 | Azra`el | 0x00 is bad, eh? |
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| 02:00.06 | tga | abrotman: bundle a pci->pcmcia adapter and you've got a deal |
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| 02:00.16 | tga | Azra`el: I have no idea, that's why I'm asking |
| 02:00.18 | jim | eronvik: -maybe- x will cause machine to swap too much |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | tga: how about a pci wifi card? |
| 02:00.21 | vile_maxim | I'm trying to get vgetty to run... I added S14:345:respawn:/usr/sbin/vgetty ttyS14 to inittab and ran init q but ps aux | grep vgetty doesn't show up anything. Anyone know why? |
| 02:00.35 | eronvik | jim: do i have any alternatives? |
| 02:00.39 | Azra`el | tga: you SHOULD be able to treat it like a laptop |
| 02:00.42 | tga | abrotman: that would work, yeah |
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| 02:01.03 | tga | Azra`el: I did a modprobe orinoco just like with my lappy but it didn't do anything |
| 02:01.11 | tga | Azra`el: the pcmcia card seems unpowered |
| 02:01.15 | Azra`el | tga: is cardservices enabeled? |
| 02:01.34 | jim | eronvik: you could consider not using X |
| 02:01.46 | tga | init.d/pcmcia you mean? yeah |
| 02:01.53 | Azra`el | tga: dump lsmod, lspci and dmesg to a nomorepasting / whatever and let me have it |
| 02:02.00 | tga | \0/ eth4: Looks like a Lucent/Agere firmware version 6.04 |
| 02:02.03 | Azra`el | oh wait |
| 02:02.04 | Azra`el | isa |
| 02:02.15 | Azra`el | tga: dump lsmod and dmesg to a nomorepasting / whatever and let me have it |
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| 02:02.16 | tga | yay, restarting pcmcia did the trick |
| 02:02.22 | tga | it seems to be working now |
| 02:02.25 | Azra`el | there we go. |
| 02:02.28 | jim | eth4?? |
| 02:02.28 | eronvik | jim: could be nice to have a gui. and perhaps fluxbox as desktop? |
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| 02:02.42 | jim | or fvwm |
| 02:02.42 | Azra`el | eronvik: more like fvwm |
| 02:02.56 | tga | jim: heh, I stuffed all the nics in this machine.. not that a p166 could move data fast enough, but it looks cool from behind |
| 02:03.18 | jim | you want something small as possible |
| 02:03.44 | jim | I remember the pain of starting x with 4mb ram... |
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| 02:03.53 | tga | 4mb? ouch |
| 02:03.59 | simonrvn | 4? ooooow |
| 02:04.03 | tga | even my linksys router has more than that.. |
| 02:04.13 | jim | it worked -fine- in console mode for years |
| 02:04.16 | Azra`el | i remember my video card having more ram than my box. =/ |
| 02:04.20 | jim | compiled kernels too |
| 02:04.24 | eronvik | Azra`el: fvwm is a desktop? |
| 02:04.34 | jim | fvwm is a window manager |
| 02:04.34 | Azra`el | eronvik: it's a window manager, yes sir. |
| 02:04.35 | surrounder | eronvik: window manager |
| 02:04.41 | surrounder | eronvik: really great one :) |
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| 02:04.51 | jim | you don't have enough ram for kde or gnome |
| 02:05.15 | pipeline | 4M is pushing it to run anything. |
| 02:05.19 | pipeline | Even Xterms usually have more than that. |
| 02:05.19 | sparr_ | can anyone help me get an ident daemon running? |
| 02:05.25 | pipeline | sparr_: Install liedentd |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 02:05.28 | jim | for me, but he has 24 mb |
| 02:05.28 | tga | gnome on 4M ram.. that should be interesting |
| 02:05.31 | eronvik | surrounder: and the only way to run it is to have an xfree86? |
| 02:05.43 | surrounder | eronvik: aye, or xorg |
| 02:05.47 | dbindner | Azra`el: For the longest time my printer had more ram than my computer. |
| 02:05.56 | surrounder | eronvik: what kind of machine is it? |
| 02:05.58 | sparr_ | pipeline: is there a deb for that? |
| 02:06.01 | Azra`el | heh |
| 02:06.14 | pipeline | sparr_: It appears not, but it has few dependencies. You shouldn't need anything but a compiler and a c library to build it. |
| 02:06.23 | eronvik | surrounder: old laptop with only 24MB ram and 100MHz cpu :-/ |
| 02:06.26 | drini | openbox |
| 02:06.31 | sparr_ | id prefer to try something with a package, at least to start |
| 02:06.36 | sparr_ | worst case, ill try liedentd |
| 02:06.46 | pipeline | eronvik: 100 MHz CPU is fine, the hard part is the 24M RAM :( |
| 02:06.52 | surrounder | eronvik: fvwm will be good on that if you don't use transparany and shite like that |
| 02:07.06 | surrounder | eronvik: and use dillo and/or links as much as possible |
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| 02:07.21 | calin | in a text stream in bash, i want to take each line and find the text between ` and ' and run a command with that text as the arguments. Is that possible or do i need to think of something else? |
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| 02:07.47 | drini | you could use "cut" |
| 02:07.49 | jim | calin: yes, it is possible. |
| 02:07.50 | drini | ;) |
| 02:07.59 | tga | where do I put things like ESSID and WEP key so that they're autoconfigured at startup? |
| 02:08.01 | eronvik | surrounder: so xxfree86 with fvwm, and dillo for browsing? |
| 02:08.03 | doublehp | any one have at least 3 computers at home and can do a small test for me ? |
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| 02:08.10 | doublehp | please quote my nick |
| 02:08.13 | jim | but you can also consider a different scripting language too, like perl or python |
| 02:08.14 | surrounder | eronvik: I'd try that |
| 02:08.14 | Delph | drini: cut? |
| 02:08.16 | jim | or tcl even |
| 02:08.20 | tga | doublehp: what kind of test? |
| 02:08.25 | Guerin | eronvik: just use ratpoison |
| 02:08.26 | surrounder | eronvik: or just as much CLI as possible |
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| 02:08.27 | Delph | doesn't that need the same delimiter start and end? |
| 02:08.27 | calin | drini, jim: thanks. |
| 02:08.32 | drini | cut using delimiters, cut is a unix command |
| 02:08.39 | eronvik | surrounder: CLI? |
| 02:08.41 | tga | X won't help you much on 4M ram, you can't run any apps |
| 02:08.48 | tga | just use screen |
| 02:08.51 | surrounder | eronvik: command line interface |
| 02:08.57 | surrounder | eronvik: console |
| 02:09.09 | jim | I'm the one who used to have 4 mb... you can't even start x with that |
| 02:09.10 | doublehp | tga: changing the IPs, and see if if packets are still transmitted ... today I wont even ask to change mac adds :) |
| 02:09.19 | surrounder | eronvik: you can browse the web, chat ( msn and irc) and whatever more all in IRC |
| 02:09.28 | surrounder | eronvik: even create PDF's and shite like that |
| 02:09.32 | tga | doublehp: check your route settings? |
| 02:09.43 | surrounder | lol |
| 02:09.50 | surrounder | sorry getting tired |
| 02:09.51 | doublehp | tga: hmmm more about Linux IP abilities. |
| 02:10.00 | doublehp | tga: can I /msg you ? |
| 02:10.00 | surrounder | eronvik: *all in CLI |
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| 02:10.24 | eronvik | surrounder: ok. are newer versions of the xserver more demanding on the system than earlier versions? |
| 02:10.31 | Guerin | the only thing you can't do at least as well in a cli as in x is edit images |
| 02:10.34 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:10.36 | Guerin | and browse web |
| 02:10.42 | drini | I wish I could get svgalib to work, so I could preview my dvis on a terminak without having to load X |
| 02:10.54 | surrounder | eronvik: afaik they are...haven't used any old ones though... so I'm afraid I can't help you with that :( |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | which is the owhich is the only reason I even use X |
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| 02:11.17 | tga | doublehp: you can try |
| 02:11.48 | eronvik | surrounder: ok. i'll do some experimenting. thx for your help :-) |
| 02:12.16 | surrounder | eronvik: anytime, np :) |
| 02:12.32 | sparr_ | can anyone help me get an ident daemon running? preferably one that comes in a package |
| 02:12.46 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: apt-get install oidentd |
| 02:14.24 | dbindner | sparr_: There really isn't much to configure, so MobyTurbo has the right advice. Just install a package and take the defaults. |
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| 02:14.35 | sparr_ | oidentd looks good |
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| 02:15.10 | sparr_ | ok, it doesnt SEEM to be working. my only way to test is to try to connect to an irc server. is there a better way to check? |
| 02:15.27 | jim | sparr_: telnet into it? |
| 02:15.38 | jim | I dunno, is it tcp or udp? |
| 02:15.41 | sparr_ | port... 119? |
| 02:15.50 | sparr_ | im rusty on my ident specs :) |
| 02:15.56 | Ronin | sparr_: 113 |
| 02:16.06 | dbindner | 113 I believe. I was just looking at ident stuff this morning. |
| 02:16.12 | echisero | please channel of sphanish |
| 02:16.15 | sparr_ | ok |
| 02:16.15 | echisero | debian |
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| 02:16.18 | sparr_ | it SEEMS to be working |
| 02:16.21 | sparr_ | by telnet |
| 02:16.23 | sparr_ | to localhost |
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| 02:16.33 | echisero | please channel of spanish |
| 02:16.35 | sparr_ | i dont know the commands, but i can throw garbage at it and get errors :) |
| 02:16.38 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: then it probably is. apt-get configures it |
| 02:16.42 | stew | !es |
| 02:16.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:16.43 | x0563511 | anyone here use GnuPG? |
| 02:16.58 | doublehp | x0563511: I |
| 02:16.59 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 02:16.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:17.06 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: so i just have to figure out why i still cant ident on irc |
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| 02:17.20 | x0563511 | which keyserver (for --keyserver) do you recommend for use from the USA? |
| 02:17.22 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: your firewall? |
| 02:17.29 | Ronin | sparr_: installed? running ident? firewall? |
| 02:17.46 | doublehp | x0563511: pgp.mit.edu |
| 02:18.05 | MrMeee | i want to stop xfce from loading at strart, I also see xfs running |
| 02:18.05 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: nope |
| 02:18.08 | sparr_ | Ronin: : yes. yes. no. |
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| 02:18.13 | x0563511 | doublehp: thanks, i thought so |
| 02:18.16 | htet | can i convert tar.bz2 to .deb? like ,alien converting rpm to deb |
| 02:18.19 | x0563511 | no documentation anywhere was clear |
| 02:18.38 | doublehp | x0563511: thats the one /i/ use . |
| 02:18.43 | Ronin | sparr_: router? have to ask that one |
| 02:18.43 | stew | htet: /msg dpkg newmaint |
| 02:18.44 | x0563511 | i use it for WWW access |
| 02:18.48 | x0563511 | keyserver.mit.edu |
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| 02:19.01 | x0563511 | i just couldn't find where i was supposed to tell gpg to look |
| 02:19.05 | sparr_ | Ronin: yes, but im "DMZ" (default port forward) |
| 02:19.12 | dbindner | x0563511: I've got keyserver.fabbione.net set in my config. |
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| 02:20.03 | Area-51 | why is there no xorg package for debian? |
| 02:20.08 | htet | stew: could you explain a litttle bit further? thx |
| 02:20.14 | sparr_ | Ronin: bit torrent works, ssh works, telnet works... etc. im 95% sure its not a firewall problem |
| 02:20.25 | doublehp | Area-51: there are ! |
| 02:20.38 | doublehp | Area-51: why dont you google ? |
| 02:20.44 | sparr_ | why is it that no matter which *identd i install i always have a process running named plain old 'identd'? |
| 02:20.53 | doublehp | Area-51: |
| 02:20.53 | doublehp | # xorg |
| 02:20.53 | doublehp | # deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main |
| 02:21.01 | Area-51 | heh |
| 02:21.08 | Area-51 | why isnt it in the normal distrib set? |
| 02:21.19 | doublehp | Area-51: because of Debian policy. |
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| 02:21.27 | sparr_ | whats wrong with x.org? |
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| 02:21.45 | pipeline | sparr_: Too much integration work for Sarge. |
| 02:21.52 | Area-51 | doublehp: could you enlighten me or point me in the direction of whats up with xorg vs debian? |
| 02:21.54 | pipeline | sparr_: There will be no X.org in debian until AFTEr sarge release |
| 02:22.00 | sparr_ | ahh, makes sense |
| 02:22.05 | Area-51 | hmm |
| 02:22.14 | stew | htet: the answer to your question is no, but if you '/msg dpkg newmaint" you will get instructions about creating .deb packages |
| 02:22.14 | pipeline | Area-51: There's no X.org versus Debian, it's just not going to happen until after Sarge release. |
| 02:22.16 | sparr_ | pipeline: : "debian policy" usually means its not FOSS :) |
| 02:22.37 | doublehp | Area-51: I am not sure, but I dont think Xorg is stable yet on all architectures Debian supports ... |
| 02:22.46 | Area-51 | ah |
| 02:22.56 | htet | ok, thx |
| 02:23.06 | jim | !sex |
| 02:23.06 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 02:23.11 | dbindner | sparr_: Where I work, they selectively blocked port 113 and the dopes didn't even know they were doing it. Very inconvenient. |
| 02:23.17 | cafuego | doublehp: Correct. And last thing we need is to hve to stabilise a behemoth like X before sarge can go out the door. |
| 02:23.25 | doublehp | Area-51: so that Debian can not officially accept a package which cant be compiled on most archs ... thats why the Debian policy is about to change in the next weeks; that part of the policy makes Debian very retarded. |
| 02:23.29 | sparr_ | dbindner: im at home |
| 02:24.09 | stew | doublehp: who knows if that policy will really change |
| 02:24.11 | sparr_ | anyone willing and able to test my identd for me? |
| 02:24.12 | Area-51 | ty |
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| 02:24.40 | doublehp | stew: God knows :) |
| 02:24.47 | pipeline | doublehp, Area-51: It doesn't make Debian "retarded" -- Given how much work is still happening on d-i on i386, I really doubt it's the other architectures slowing Sarge's release. |
| 02:24.48 | doublehp | ( or i beleave so ) |
| 02:24.58 | jim | doublehp: how is the policy to change? |
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| 02:25.10 | pipeline | doublehp, Area-51: I think it's a good idea to push some archs into "tier 2" or something, but that's a bad reason to do it. |
| 02:25.21 | Spark_ | why does there have to be this cross-architecture synchronisation in debian releases? |
| 02:25.28 | Spark_ | why cant it be released on each platform when its ready |
| 02:25.31 | doublehp | jim: I readed a news in french about that this morning .. cant explain ... I did not really pay attention |
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| 02:25.52 | pipeline | Spark_: Ask the mailing lists. |
| 02:25.53 | benjamindees | Spark_, that's the proposal, but some say it won't really help anything |
| 02:26.21 | doublehp | jim: but regarding what cafuego just said me, it looks like he is aware of the same topic as me. |
| 02:26.25 | stew | Spark_: becuase if one is released then the other essentially fork and then porting security fixes into all of them becomes more of a hassle |
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| 02:26.38 | chealer | doublehp: it also make debian second to netbsd in terms of portability AFAIK |
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| 02:27.02 | chealer | doublehp: clearly a past advantage if the policy changes. |
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| 02:28.03 | benjamindees | personally I like the WhateverHappenedToTesting/FormalizeBackports/AddAnotherRepository options, but I'm just looking in from the outside |
| 02:28.09 | Spark_ | stew: ok |
| 02:28.15 | doublehp | chealer: Debian is the last distribution having not switch yet to Xorg ... ( to remind you the original point of this discussion ) |
| 02:28.34 | chealer | doublehp: ok I'm half-following |
| 02:28.48 | stew | and we are punished by not having transparancy, oohh big woop ;) |
| 02:28.54 | doublehp | chealer: if you consider the Xorg problem, Debian is really retarded |
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| 02:29.06 | cafuego | doublehp: Not that there's much wrong with XF4.3.x |
| 02:29.20 | benjamindees | stew, exactly, xorg is mostly broken hype at the moment |
| 02:29.30 | blue_ | how do you find out what DNS servers your router, or anything connects to |
| 02:29.34 | Azra`el | broken hype? |
| 02:29.41 | Azra`el | blue: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:29.50 | cafuego | doublehp: The only advantage to Xorg would be for certain radeon IGP laptops, who suddenly get OSS 3D support |
| 02:29.51 | Sjimmie | hi guys, i installed WinXP next to my deb installation, but during the deb install i chose to put grub in the MBR, and before i installed WinXP i didnt put it in the partition |
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| 02:30.03 | Sjimmie | is there anyway i can make deb to boot again? |
| 02:30.07 | cafuego | Azra`el: Yes, Xorg's "cool features" are mainly broken. |
| 02:30.13 | blue_ | Azra'el: thats the problem, i had to edit that so that my router wouldn't take over but i think they've changed |
| 02:30.16 | benjamindees | Azra`el, it's verifiably broken, and transparency is mostly worthless from where I sit |
| 02:30.22 | eronvik | how do i start the xserver on woody? i'm used to just 'startx'... |
| 02:30.24 | Azra`el | broken? |
| 02:30.27 | Azra`el | ok |
| 02:30.36 | Azra`el | i've been using it on slack for oh |
| 02:30.38 | stew | eronvik: startx should work |
| 02:30.38 | Azra`el | six months |
| 02:30.39 | tga | cafuego: I have a radeon IGP laptop and didn't get any 3D with Xorg :\ |
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| 02:30.44 | cafuego | Azra`el: Yes, like enabling tarnsparency makes X crash. |
| 02:30.44 | Azra`el | and i've had no issues |
| 02:30.48 | doublehp | cafuego: some other ppl consider the license problem, I tried Xorg for the support of the 3D driver of my card; other geeks wants to try the 'real' transparency ... |
| 02:30.54 | Spark_ | Azra`el: therefore there are no issues? |
| 02:31.00 | cafuego | tga: "certain" not "all" |
| 02:31.10 | eronvik | stew: nope... 'command not found' |
| 02:31.10 | Sjimmie | if i try rescue root=/dev/hda1 the kernel cant mount my fs because it doesnt support ext3 |
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| 02:31.13 | Azra`el | spark: no, but if in six months, i haven't run into them, i don't see them as earth shattering |
| 02:31.19 | stew | eronvik: did you install x-window-system? |
| 02:31.37 | Azra`el | it's all perspective. |
| 02:31.40 | cafuego | Admittedly it crashes once a week now and not every hour. but it's still a crash. |
| 02:31.51 | Azra`el | crashes? |
| 02:31.52 | eronvik | stew: installed xserver-vga16, which included xserver-common... i think... |
| 02:31.57 | Azra`el | ;p |
| 02:32.09 | cafuego | There seems to be a parrot in here. |
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| 02:32.49 | stew | eronvik: install x-window-system |
| 02:32.57 | doublehp | cafuego: how the hell can you deal with so many discussions ... it looks to me like you can both read everything (100% lines), and can still think and hit responses :=) how many eyes and fingers do you have ? |
| 02:33.12 | eronvik | stew: i see :-) |
| 02:33.22 | Azra`el | doublehp: he's got a 2400 baud modem, it comes in one line at a time and gives him time to respond! |
| 02:33.30 | cafuego | doublehp: google://image+cthulhu |
| 02:33.49 | doublehp | Azra`el: lol :) |
| 02:34.17 | Azra`el | =) |
| 02:34.18 | cafuego | Azra`el: Just cox $FOO runs without crashing for 3 days on your machine doesn't mean it's ready for a stable release. |
| 02:34.28 | Delph | has anyone heard of a nice application that compares two websites for differences? |
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| 02:34.37 | Azra`el | cafuego: i play games on my machine. |
| 02:34.40 | cafuego | Delph: wget and diff |
| 02:34.43 | Azra`el | windows games, and linux games (<3 wine) |
| 02:34.47 | Delph | cafuego: which was my second option |
| 02:34.55 | cafuego | Azra`el: And that's relevant how? |
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| 02:35.02 | tga | Delph: you could just diff `lynx -dump http://site1` `lynx -dump http://site2` |
| 02:35.08 | Azra`el | <cafuego> Azra`el: Just cox $FOO runs without crashing for 3 days on your machine doesn't mean it's ready for a stable release. |
| 02:35.13 | Azra`el | $foo == wine == alpha |
| 02:35.13 | tga | Delph: or `lynx -source` for the source |
| 02:35.17 | Azra`el | for example. ;p |
| 02:35.25 | Pakal | I can't see the DVD's menu |
| 02:35.26 | Azra`el | mainly, i'm being antagonistic |
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| 02:35.34 | Delph | tga: i'll go with wget -r |
| 02:35.39 | tga | Delph: if you're looking for small changes that is |
| 02:35.40 | Azra`el | while listening to some nice throaty techno |
| 02:35.44 | Azra`el | and drinking a beer |
| 02:35.45 | cafuego | Azra`el: wtf does an X client being alpha have to do with the X server being stable? |
| 02:35.46 | Azra`el | =) |
| 02:35.49 | Delph | tga: no; regression testing |
| 02:35.55 | Azra`el | cafuego: EXACTLY |
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| 02:35.58 | cafuego | zhengyi: Are you implying Xorg is stable because Wine doesn't crash it? |
| 02:36.26 | cafuego | Azra`el: I mentioned X crashing, NOT "application foo". |
| 02:37.01 | benjamindees | there seems to be a disillusion that Linux is ready to be a gaming platform |
| 02:37.17 | benjamindees | I'd be happy if it were just a usable desktop :) |
| 02:37.34 | bizarro_paco | i am having an issue with ndis wrapper; i have loaded the appropriate driver, as it says "driver loaded," BUT, my wireless card is not detected. |
| 02:37.35 | Delph | gah |
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| 02:37.49 | cafuego | benjamindees: if you install it on a VAX and nail a square piece of wood to the top, it makes a GREAT desktop. |
| 02:38.21 | tga | Delph: doesn't wml just work over http? |
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| 02:38.23 | benjamindees | and, of course, there are those who would like it to remain a server OS forever... |
| 02:38.28 | tode | If I screw up my terminal (and all alt-F# ttys) but still have have ssh access can I reset the dislay w/o rebooting? |
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| 02:38.40 | Delph | tga: yeah, but recursivley following links requires the wml to be parsed by wget |
| 02:38.45 | Delph | which it isn't. |
| 02:38.50 | bizarro_paco | when go cardctl status, the output is "no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices" even though i have pcmcia package installed |
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| 02:39.14 | tga | Delph: ah, good point |
| 02:39.25 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: installing pcmcia != running cardmgr && laoding a driver like yenta_socket |
| 02:39.37 | doublehp | Azra`el: cafuego it s always a pleasure to have fun on IRC :) you tell more jokes than IRL ppl I meet by day ... |
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| 02:40.12 | cafuego | !ops flood |
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| 02:40.29 | cafuego | same damn PI flooders |
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| 02:40.32 | doublehp | hmmm |
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| 02:41.03 | bizarro_paco | (cafuego): i have a broadcom chipset, and my driver is lsbcmnds.inf |
| 02:41.06 | cafuego | !ElectricElf++ |
| 02:41.11 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: PAIN! |
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| 02:41.29 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: I'm sorry, but I'm not going to help you with ndiswrapper. |
| 02:41.43 | bizarro_paco | (cafuego): because it is a pain in the ass? |
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| 02:42.13 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: Amongst other things, yes. |
| 02:42.24 | doublehp | bizarro_paco: if you need ndiswrapper, it means you did not pay attention to Linux compliance before buying. |
| 02:42.26 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, because forcing you to do it yourself makes you not want to buy hardware without supported drivers in the future |
| 02:42.43 | doublehp | bizarro_paco: yes |
| 02:42.49 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): i purchased the card long before i discovered the light |
| 02:42.52 | cafuego | Also, it is an abomination unto Cthulhu. |
| 02:43.01 | Azra`el | Indeed |
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| 02:43.05 | doublehp | bizarro_paco: then buy new stuff |
| 02:43.14 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, sorry, I've been in that boat as well, same policy applies :( |
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| 02:43.23 | Ronin | heh i love how some folks dont live in the real world here |
| 02:44.17 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): wait a minute..if we give up on this ndiswrapper, aren't we bowing down the the mighty$$$? because we are sayign that linux isnt the most powerful operating system out there. |
| 02:44.27 | Ronin | cafuego: your mind powers are wasted on me, im a govt worker i gave up my mind when i signed my contract |
| 02:44.35 | PerfDave | cafuego: Careful, the Ronin can use the power of his magic to destroy the demon Agat... |
| 02:44.49 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, yeah, I've tried that too, reverse psychology doesn't work on Linux geeks |
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| 02:45.03 | Shane^ | I am wearing the boots of escape!!! |
| 02:45.13 | bizarro_paco | i'm not trying to use any psychology..i am saying what i feel |
| 02:45.15 | dabreegster | I'm running dpkg-buildpackage -b to create libsdl1.2debian-all from source. It looks like it's doing the same thing over and over again. Is that something to worry about? :P |
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| 02:45.16 | Ronin | ohh fire burning coooolll |
| 02:45.56 | Ronin | ok now that one you lost me on |
| 02:45.56 | doublehp | dabreegster: dont disturb our suc discussions with technical matters :=) |
| 02:46.01 | PerfDave | bizarro_paco: GNU/Linux is damn powerful, it just isn't supported by as many hardware manufacturers as other, lesser OSen. |
| 02:46.02 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, you'll soon realize that Linux is still the most powerful OS because it at least has the ability to run other drivers, even if it's a pita |
| 02:46.10 | doublehp | s/suc/social |
| 02:46.47 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: Should we not all jump off a bridge and kill ourselves because being free means we can? |
| 02:46.49 | PerfDave | benjamindees: I think there are other reasons for Linux being powerful. The fact that you can kludge third-party Windows drivers into its kernel isn't IMHO anything to be proud of. |
| 02:47.01 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): okay...then, tell me, what is the most awesomely powerful thing you have ever done with linux that just cant be done with windows? |
| 02:47.02 | dabreegster | doublehp: sorry |
| 02:47.12 | doublehp | dabreegster: hehe :) |
| 02:47.24 | PerfDave | bizarro_paco: GNUCash! |
| 02:47.26 | doublehp | dabreegster: ask again in 10mn :) |
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| 02:47.41 | dabreegster | nevermind, it stopped creating src/video/svga.h for the umpteenth time. |
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| 02:48.14 | cafuego | bizarro_paco: I booted a Linux box off swap after catting a vmlinuz image to the swap partition. You can't boot windows off pagefile.sys after you replace THAT with ntldr.exe |
| 02:48.35 | cafuego | !win me |
| 02:48.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:48.38 | dbindner | bizarro_paco: You ask the question wrong. Any OS is a Turing machine and can do anything. What can you do easily... |
| 02:49.01 | zinx | o_O |
| 02:49.02 | bizarro_paco | dbinnder: "turing" machine? |
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| 02:49.22 | cottus | hello all. I've been all over the place, not having luck finding gkrellm-themes in .deb form. Any ideas? I've only been running debian a little while, havent found good sources yet. |
| 02:49.24 | zinx | dbindner: an OS... does not fill that shoe. |
| 02:49.25 | dbindner | bizarro_paco: A theoretical computer used in CS proofs. |
| 02:49.40 | Linuxs | While installing swf-player I get a message E: Får ikke låst /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressursen midlertidig utilgjengelig) |
| 02:49.40 | Linuxs | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 02:49.57 | zinx | dbindner: all OSs are is an abstraction layer to the hardware, normally.. |
| 02:49.57 | dac_ | Linuxs: most probably |
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| 02:50.09 | aFlag | i can't seem to configure my microphone, i used alsaconf and get all my sound board configured and then i set the mic up on alsamixer |
| 02:50.15 | aFlag | but it doesn't seem to work |
| 02:50.22 | Nurbs | Linuxs: don't run another apt-get or dpkg at the same time, run as root |
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| 02:50.39 | zinx | dbindner: some do not allow you to thwart the abstraction layer to do things manually, unfortunately |
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| 02:50.46 | aFlag | at gnome sound recorder seem to crash everytime i try to record something |
| 02:51.12 | Linuxs | Nurbs; What is dpkg anyway? |
| 02:51.13 | aFlag | any ideas? |
| 02:51.24 | aFlag | i've killed esd and then it didn't work at all actually hehe |
| 02:51.33 | dbindner | zinx: I was a bit vague, but any OS can pretty much do anything. It's just a matter of which things are easy and which are hard. |
| 02:51.37 | Nurbs | Linuxs: the program managing the installed packages, basically. man dpkg |
| 02:51.41 | bizarro_paco | well folks, i wrote thos two things down and will use them as motivators the next time i run into a roadblock like ndiswrapper |
| 02:51.47 | aFlag | :( |
| 02:51.48 | Linuxs | Nurbs; ok |
| 02:51.55 | zinx | dbindner: you weren't vague, you misunderstand an OS's place, and a turing machine's place ;) |
| 02:51.56 | bizarro_paco | and for the record, ndiswrapper SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:52.04 | gravity | That it does |
| 02:52.08 | cottus | bizarro_paco> from what I hear the ndiswrapper main developer is giving it up |
| 02:52.18 | dbindner | zinx: No I didn't say it well. I know what an OS does. |
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| 02:52.30 | bizarro_paco | (cottus): really? |
| 02:52.36 | TonyRoberts | what kernel does stable debian use? |
| 02:52.38 | cottus | gkrellm-themes, anyone? where can I find em in deb |
| 02:52.40 | zinx | dbindner: turing complete would be what the processor the OS runs on is :/ |
| 02:52.50 | TonyRoberts | why isnt that shown on debian.org? |
| 02:53.05 | cottus | ToniT> write and ask them |
| 02:53.12 | cottus | TonyRoberts> write and ask them |
| 02:53.13 | TonyRoberts | to what email? |
| 02:53.17 | PerfDave | TonyRoberts: It has a wide range of kernels available. |
| 02:53.53 | cottus | TonyRoberts> sorry I cant hold your hand that much |
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| 02:54.24 | dabreegster | TonyRoberts: I think 2.4 |
| 02:54.30 | PerfDave | TonyRoberts: Go to http://packages.debian.org/ and search for kernel-image packages in stable. |
| 02:54.41 | dabreegster | by default. for the i386 arch |
| 02:55.02 | benjamindees | TonyRoberts, latest is 2.4.18 I think, others are available from backports.org |
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| 02:56.55 | Linuxs | Is there a tool for Debian to develop .swf? |
| 02:57.19 | emcee | why would you want to? |
| 02:57.20 | gravity | Linuxs: Sorta... but not really |
| 02:57.25 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: I saw something recently, although it's much less complete than Macromedia's |
| 02:57.36 | emcee | it's a closed format screw it |
| 02:57.40 | gravity | emcee: No it's not |
| 02:58.00 | stouset | gravity: I thought we've only been able to reverse engineer it but the spec hasn't been ever published? |
| 02:58.10 | bizarro_paco | if you run a file sharing network in linux, and two people have the SAME document open at once, can the document be edited AT THE SAME TIME? |
| 02:58.10 | Hydroxide | there was a spec for an old version |
| 02:58.18 | gravity | stouset: I'm pretty sure it's been published, but it's very complex and no one has been able to implement it |
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| 02:58.28 | gravity | stouset: Although maybe some of the newer extensions haven't been published |
| 02:58.38 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: one thing that is definitely possible on x86 Linux is to use Macromedia Flash MX with the closed-source $39.95 Crossover Office program |
| 02:58.54 | lori_s | hi friends, I'm a new man of linux, could some one please explain what is debian? |
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| 02:59.06 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: I'm having trouble finding the other flash linux dev thing |
| 02:59.16 | Atrocity | ...did the debian servers just die? |
| 02:59.25 | gravity | lori_s: http://www.debian.org will tell you more than we can in far less time |
| 02:59.46 | lori_s | ok, i'll check it right now, thanks! |
| 02:59.47 | stouset | lori_s: From your perspective, Debian is basically just an organization that pools a bunch of free Linux software together and makes sure it works well together, much like RedHat or SuSE. Only we tend to think we've done a better job of making it work togther. |
| 02:59.50 | Atrocity | i was doing a net install and now my computer can't access them at all |
| 02:59.50 | bizarro_paco | (lori_s): debian is a TYPE of linux...it is focused on community suppport moreso tha others |
| 02:59.50 | ferris | lori_s it is an operating system.... |
| 03:00.06 | Linuxs | Hydroxide; I saw a decoder for gstreamer? |
| 03:00.07 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: ah, found the free program which has some partial functionality at this point: http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:00.20 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: yeah, that is also not fully working, although they are making progress |
| 03:00.22 | Linuxs | Hydroxide, Thanks |
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| 03:00.39 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: here's an interview with the f4l guy: http://dot.kde.org/1071590847/ |
| 03:00.39 | bizarro_paco | i am trying to run a spreadsheet that can be accessed from two different computers...can that be done in linux? |
| 03:00.49 | lori_s | thank you stouset |
| 03:00.53 | Linuxs | Hydroxide, I will try the f4l |
| 03:00.56 | stouset | bizarro_paco: Simultaneously? |
| 03:01.03 | bizarro_paco | (stouset): yes |
| 03:01.13 | stouset | bizarro_paco: With, I assume, live updating of both copies? |
| 03:01.27 | Hydroxide | Linuxs: good luck. I have never tried it myself. it may be good or bad, I have no idea |
| 03:01.41 | bizarro_paco | (stouset): yes...you can't do that in excel...one edits, and if the other opens it, it is 'read only.' |
| 03:01.47 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, http://me.sphere.pl/indexen.htm |
| 03:02.03 | chealer | Linuxs: free flash playback isn't even close to working, don't expect anything from flash development tools |
| 03:02.05 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, that's not for spreadsheets though |
| 03:02.18 | Linuxs | Hydroxide, This is interesting. |
| 03:02.39 | stouset | bizarro_paco: I seem to recall something like that existing, but I'll be damned if I can remember it |
| 03:02.45 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): am i better running a LAMP system for that? |
| 03:03.03 | chealer | Linuxs: although most likely bad |
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| 03:03.09 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, you're better running a LAMP system for almost anything |
| 03:03.18 | Linuxs | chealer, Its true, I tried swf-player, it was likely bad.. |
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| 03:03.37 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): i am trying to track jobs being processed in a manufacturing site, and i would like instant access from the office, and soemtimes, the office needs to adjust the document as well. |
| 03:03.42 | chealer | Linuxs: and you didn't look at f4l's website yet |
| 03:04.13 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, Excel is the completely wrong tool for what you want to do |
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| 03:04.28 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, you need a database, with the proper frontend |
| 03:04.45 | Linuxs | chealer, the f4l is interesting, looks like Macromedia.. |
| 03:04.50 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): i was thinking mysql with php |
| 03:04.55 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, the worst thing (most) businesses do is build complicated apps in spreadsheets |
| 03:05.12 | chealer | Linuxs: what? I see an add and old screenshots, that's all |
| 03:05.22 | stouset | benjamindees: No way. Let me tell you, I wrote a device driver for my iPod with Excel macros one time. |
| 03:05.22 | tga | how do I configure a bridge between a wireless interface and a wired one? is it possible to make it transparent? |
| 03:05.34 | benjamindees | stouset, I don't doubt it :p |
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| 03:05.44 | stouset | benjamindees: It was so good, I could transfer my entire hard drive to the iPod in seventeen days. |
| 03:05.54 | lori_s | I just heard someone say that Debian came from RedHat, is that true? |
| 03:05.58 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:05.59 | stouset | benjamindees: By "hard drive" I mean "string of zeroes" |
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| 03:06.02 | drini | no it's not |
| 03:06.04 | Guerin | since debian predates redhat, no |
| 03:06.05 | stew | lori_s: false |
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| 03:06.26 | tga | redhat is the grandfather of all linux, it came before Linus was even born |
| 03:06.33 | Guerin | nono |
| 03:06.38 | Guerin | that's gentoo |
| 03:06.44 | drini | gentoo!!! :) |
| 03:06.49 | Guerin | or |
| 03:06.50 | Guerin | g3n2 |
| 03:06.51 | tricaric | hehehe |
| 03:06.53 | stouset | Gentoo was clearly first, since it's so fast. |
| 03:06.53 | lori_s | thank you, now, I can say no to that guy and win my bet! |
| 03:07.00 | Guerin | as it preferz 2 b knpwn |
| 03:07.02 | tga | yeah, and it's been compiling ever since |
| 03:07.08 | drini | crap joke |
| 03:07.12 | stouset | lori_s: You realize you have to give us part of the payout, right? |
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| 03:07.21 | tga | is it possible to make a transparent bridge between two interfaces? |
| 03:07.27 | Guerin | !possible |
| 03:07.27 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 03:07.37 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): sounds like to me you are telling me to learn about running a lamp system |
| 03:07.40 | tga | that's helpful |
| 03:07.41 | stouset | tga: I suppose you could make a transparent bridge with cellophane, but it wouldn't support all that much weight... |
| 03:08.00 | PerfDave | tga: apt-get install bridge-utils |
| 03:08.01 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, I've looked into running those types of things before (job tracking) and there's not much out there |
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| 03:08.16 | tga | thanks PerfDave |
| 03:08.31 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, lots of inventory/pos stuff, not much job tracking |
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| 03:09.06 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, I'd definitely look around for a packaged solution before building your own though |
| 03:09.12 | lori_s | stouset: of cause, I will sit here together with you, and try my best to help someone else, is this enought? |
| 03:09.13 | Atrocity | ...my proxy went down :/ |
| 03:09.18 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): i am looking for both..inventory and ordering and job tracking..so we can figure out where the hell all my raw material is going... |
| 03:09.22 | daww | How can I find out via IP where a computer is located? |
| 03:09.29 | Meisterc | hey all... quick question. I installed mozplugger and now all of the sudden xmms won't play any shoutcast streams. Is there a simple remedy for this ? |
| 03:09.38 | stouset | lori_s: I was hoping for money :-( |
| 03:09.52 | chealer | daww: Geo IP Address Locator http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation |
| 03:10.02 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, those types of systems get pretty specific, so Open Source is a good choice because you'll want to modify it sooner or later |
| 03:10.21 | Guerin | daww: apt-get install geoip-bin |
| 03:10.34 | lori_s | stouset: but I have no money, what i win is just a smile...like this...;) |
| 03:10.36 | bizarro_paco | benjamindees:dude, where can is tart l;earning about lamp...it seems like books get outdated too fast |
| 03:10.39 | daww | chealer, ok |
| 03:10.58 | chealer | Guerin: cool :) |
| 03:11.00 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, Compiere seemed to be the best/largest OSS system out there last time I checked |
| 03:11.02 | Guerin | bizarro_paco: php.org |
| 03:11.09 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there a way to use dpkg to determine what repo in my sources.list file a particular .deb came from? Something like "dpkg --what-repo /var/cache/apt/archives/package.deb"? |
| 03:11.14 | tga | PerfDave: does a bridge need to have addresses in both networks? is it possible for it to simply move packages from one interface to the other? |
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| 03:11.53 | gravity | php == shit. rails == the hot (for good reason) new thing |
| 03:11.58 | daww | chealer, How can I get the IP of a ftp or a http? |
| 03:12.02 | stouset | lakcaj: I believe so, one sec |
| 03:12.13 | Guerin | daww: ping |
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| 03:12.37 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, most actual businesses I've seen run Southware ($$) for that type of thing though |
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| 03:12.56 | daww | Guerin, ok |
| 03:13.13 | bizarro_paco | (benjamindees): is there any way to run a lamp system for free? |
| 03:13.28 | Guerin | bizarro_paco: yes, but you need to have some skill |
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| 03:13.33 | Guerin | as opposed to none |
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| 03:13.38 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, besides downloading and installing Debian you mean? |
| 03:14.05 | Azra`el | Where does debian udev keep it's brains? |
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| 03:14.12 | Meisterc | bizarro_paco: you also need to pay for electricity to run lamp (so that means it won't be free) |
| 03:14.16 | stouset | lakcaj: check the files in /var/lib/apt/lists. I would recommend grepping something similar to "grep <package> * | grep -v Depends" |
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| 03:15.18 | tga | to what file do I have to add a bridge so that it's configured at boot time? |
| 03:15.25 | bizarro_paco | i see...so the answer is yes, i can run it for free....except for the cost of electricity...as long a si know what i am doing |
| 03:15.46 | stouset | Actually, out of curiosity, is there a way to combine a "grep <term> | grep -v <excludeterm>" in one command? |
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| 03:16.21 | Meisterc | well, the bulbs burn out once in a while :) |
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| 03:16.50 | Azra`el | grep crap -v exclude crap filename |
| 03:17.04 | Azra`el | or |
| 03:17.09 | Azra`el | grep -v excludecrap crap filename |
| 03:17.21 | stouset | That works. Never thought to try it like that. |
| 03:17.24 | stouset | 'preciate it. |
| 03:18.41 | lakcaj | stouset, thanks. (sorry for the late reply... I had food burning in the kitchen) |
| 03:19.14 | bizarro_paco | also guys, you forgot HEAT...heat costs money too... |
| 03:19.48 | chealer | bizarro_paco: it saves some during winter |
| 03:20.04 | chealer | I run folding at home 6 months a year |
| 03:20.06 | stouset | lakcaj: Apology accepted. Next time, I demand you let your house burn donw. |
| 03:20.17 | lakcaj | :) |
| 03:20.40 | BenDrake | I am running Sarge, KDE. And was wondering how to keep my cdrom mounted after reboot. And how to get my touchpad to work properly |
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| 03:20.59 | bizarro_paco | does food count too? |
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| 03:21.06 | chealer | BenDrake: use synaptics (if it's a synaptics touchpad) |
| 03:21.41 | stouset | BenDrake: Not sure what to say on the cdrom drive. GNOME automounts everything nicely with gnome-volume-manager and hal. I'm sure KDE has a counterpart. |
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| 03:22.03 | BenDrake | ok, Ill check it out. |
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| 03:22.30 | BenDrake | chealer, how do you mean by using synaptics? it is a synaptics touchpad |
| 03:22.35 | benjamindees | bizarro_paco, you'd really be buying that anyways, so probably not |
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| 03:22.38 | drini | BenDrake: use autofs so it gets mounted whenver a cd is on the drive |
| 03:22.43 | chealer | BenDrake: like apt-get install synaptics |
| 03:22.57 | drini | the touchpad , is a different issue, find the synaptics drive (I know how to in gentoo, haven't tried in debian) |
| 03:23.02 | bizarro_paco | true |
| 03:23.27 | drini | synaptics is a driver for the touchpad |
| 03:23.47 | drini | I see ksynaptics on apt |
| 03:23.56 | drini | and tpconfig also seems useful |
| 03:23.58 | zeeble | synaptics is in the kernel. |
| 03:23.58 | stew | !info xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:24.04 | stouset | drini: argh, autofs makes me want to vomit |
| 03:24.05 | dpkg | xfree86-driver-synaptics: (Synaptics TouchPad driver for XFree86 server), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.14.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 03:24.23 | chealer | oops, sorry |
| 03:24.36 | BenDrake | ahh, gotch ya |
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| 03:24.43 | stew | !synaptics |
| 03:24.43 | dpkg | i heard synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:24.54 | drini | me too, but it works independent of desktop environment |
| 03:25.02 | drini | automounter I meant |
| 03:25.16 | stouset | drini: I wonder if gnome-volume-manager is really all that tied to GNOME...it's just a background daemon. |
| 03:25.33 | zeeble | gr. an updated gimp. |
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| 03:25.46 | drini | it says gnome after all, do you think it allows to access cd even if X is not running? |
| 03:25.51 | gravity | stouset: It's not |
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| 03:26.06 | gravity | stouset: It's tied to udev and hotplug and that's about it |
| 03:26.10 | stouset | drini: it says gnome because it's distributed with gnome, but I don't see any reason why the daemon is tied to it |
| 03:26.28 | stouset | gravity: that's what I thought...you should be able to tell KDE's session manager to start it up upon login and have it just work |
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| 03:26.31 | gravity | Hm... oh yeah. They added some gui stuff to it. Never mind. |
| 03:26.34 | drini | so it'll manage and ount drives for me to access in konqueror? |
| 03:26.38 | stouset | gravity: just for configuration |
| 03:26.39 | drini | that could be done |
| 03:26.42 | drini | but what if I don't run X ? |
| 03:26.46 | gravity | stouset: This is true. It seems to use gconf or something |
| 03:26.53 | gravity | stouset: But it should definitely work with kde |
| 03:26.55 | stouset | gravity: but out of the box it's got a reasonable configuration |
| 03:27.04 | zeeble | Build your kernel with supermount support? |
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| 03:27.08 | stouset | drini: it doesn't use X except for configuration |
| 03:27.09 | drini | so, I need to install gconf and related packages for doing something kernel supports |
| 03:27.11 | Bu5H | whats the dpkg command to get sid info? i have a point to prove to somebody |
| 03:27.11 | stouset | zeeble: supermount is bad |
| 03:27.26 | zeeble | stouset: not really. |
| 03:27.36 | gravity | stouset: Agreed |
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| 03:28.54 | stouset | zeeble: it is *extremely* hackish, knocks up the mount count on filesystems like you wouldn't believe, and is in my experience unpredictable |
| 03:28.56 | BenDrake | I tried to use tpconfig, but it says "No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found" |
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| 03:29.47 | zeeble | stouset: the only thing on which supermount has failed for me so far, and consistently is USB2 hard drives. |
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| 03:30.28 | stouset | zeeble: either way, more graceful solutions exist now that we have HAL |
| 03:30.34 | stouset | zeeble: so it's moot, really :-) |
| 03:30.41 | zeeble | heh. |
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| 03:30.57 | zeeble | I just push in the stuff and mount -a usually :) |
| 03:31.01 | zeeble | no automation :/ |
| 03:31.04 | drini | yeah I do that |
| 03:31.06 | LeBear | Does anyone have a url to the version of debian compiled off uclibc? |
| 03:31.14 | drini | or in latest kde, dtype media:/ on konqueror |
| 03:31.29 | zeeble | I prolly dont have the "latest kde" either. |
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| 03:31.37 | drini | bendrake: did you install the synaptic driver first? |
| 03:32.00 | stouset | zeeble: Newbie. I open up the partitions in vi and read/write them directly. |
| 03:32.03 | BenDrake | im at the page |
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| 03:32.14 | drini | hah, newbie, I use ed |
| 03:32.27 | drini | apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:32.31 | stouset | Ah, ed. The most consisten user interface ever designed |
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| 03:32.37 | stouset | ? |
| 03:32.38 | zeeble | haha |
| 03:32.42 | stouset | Hi |
| 03:32.43 | stouset | ? |
| 03:32.46 | stouset | exit |
| 03:32.47 | stouset | ? |
| 03:32.50 | stouset | quit? |
| 03:32.52 | stouset | ? |
| 03:32.54 | stouset | eat shit and die |
| 03:32.54 | stouset | ? |
| 03:32.55 | benjamindees | LeBear, http://people.debian.org/~andersee/ |
| 03:32.56 | stouset | :-) |
| 03:33.05 | LeBear | benjamindees: thanks |
| 03:33.05 | drini | q |
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| 03:33.28 | calin | :q! |
| 03:33.31 | calin | oops |
| 03:33.33 | drini | not on ed |
| 03:33.34 | calin | >_> |
| 03:33.40 | calin | wrong window |
| 03:33.42 | BenDrake | installed |
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| 03:33.54 | benjamindees | ^x |
| 03:33.57 | drini | read its documentation ben |
| 03:34.03 | calin | ^C |
| 03:34.12 | zeeble | ^z |
| 03:34.30 | drini | ?¿ |
| 03:34.33 | tvakah | question...when sarge goes stable...dose sid become testing? |
| 03:34.36 | stouset | calin: That's okay. I've typed out perl one-liners in a gaim window before without realizing it wasn't a terminal. Even better is when it's a really confusing regexp and the person on the other end goes kind of silent. |
| 03:34.37 | drini | q <-- that leaves ed |
| 03:34.43 | benjamindees | tvakah, sid doesn't move |
| 03:34.44 | stouset | Had one guy ask me if that was a virus, haha. |
| 03:34.50 | tvakah | benjamindees, aha...ty |
| 03:34.53 | gravity | tvakah: No, etch becomes testing. sid will always be unstable with the current development scheme |
| 03:34.57 | stouset | drini: Liar. Nothing leaves ed. The question mark is all-consuming. |
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| 03:35.09 | drini | yes I'm a liar |
| 03:35.37 | stouset | Liar. |
| 03:35.38 | BenDrake | yep, i installed the Drivers. |
| 03:35.53 | BenDrake | brb |
| 03:37.01 | zeeble | installing gkrellm now |
| 03:37.20 | zeeble | new configs are funny, you remember utils slow :/ |
| 03:37.28 | stouset | zeeble: Newbie. I just open /dev/kmem in vi. :-) |
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| 03:38.03 | drini | how do I get to install azureus , given that the two java packages it can depend on are not available? |
| 03:38.15 | stouset | drini: which two? |
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| 03:38.21 | drini | you and your fancy gui |
| 03:38.22 | daww | Is a primary mirror connect to the closest server in the country where I live? ftp.se.debian.org is shows me 4 mirrors, everyone is from my city (Umeå) I'd thought that they would come from my capital (stockholm) |
| 03:38.26 | drini | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:38.26 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.26 | drini | E: Broken packages |
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| 03:38.35 | stouset | drini: /msg dpkg install java |
| 03:38.42 | zeeble | drini: err, i installed azureus last night .. worked fine. |
| 03:38.53 | BenDrake | hmm, the drivers are installed, but i cant tap to click. |
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| 03:38.58 | stouset | You've gotta use java-package to install a jvm. |
| 03:39.01 | zeeble | drini: i have the publicshout mirror for java. |
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| 03:39.09 | drini | what's that, zeeble? |
| 03:39.17 | zeeble | a second |
| 03:39.22 | calin | stouset: perl one liners? |
| 03:39.28 | stouset | BenDrake: Odd. The native X driver should do that. I never bothered to install any of the synaptics-specific stuff, and that worked out of the box. |
| 03:39.29 | calin | stouset: you remember it? |
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| 03:39.40 | zeeble | drini: deb http://mirrors.publicshout.org/java-linux/debian/ unstable non-free |
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| 03:40.00 | zeeble | drini: install java first. |
| 03:40.15 | drini | ok... that I?m trying to do |
| 03:40.16 | chealer | !wmv is http://wiki.debian.net/?WindowsMediaVideo , or a method to get used to pain |
| 03:40.16 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 03:40.16 | drini | heh |
| 03:40.26 | Hubert | I just installed Debian with the 2.6.8 kernel and i cannot mount my cdrom. I was wondering if anyone could help me |
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| 03:40.48 | zeeble | Hubert: what error do you get? |
| 03:40.58 | xmms | hi, Is there any player can play APE format music under gnome? |
| 03:40.58 | ferris | Huburt, did you put a disk in the drive? |
| 03:41.00 | stouset | calin: Nah, just random stuff. Usually gibberish like "perl -e s/^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+/boob/" |
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| 03:41.09 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:41.13 | BenDrake | hunh |
| 03:41.15 | Hubert | mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist |
| 03:41.20 | BenDrake | well that sucks |
| 03:41.25 | stouset | Hubert: so make it |
| 03:41.27 | drini | bach... |
| 03:41.31 | stouset | Hubert: mkdir /media/cdrom0 |
| 03:41.35 | drini | then it's not a kernel problem |
| 03:41.46 | zeeble | Hubert: yeah. just make the mount point :) |
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| 03:42.06 | daww | Is a selected primary (I use ftp.se.debian.org) mirror in sources.list connect to the closest possible server from where I live? |
| 03:42.14 | Hubert | thanks |
| 03:42.26 | zeeble | Hubert: or edit your fstab to something that exists. |
| 03:42.43 | travisat | daww: the closest possible server isn't always the best |
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| 03:42.46 | stouset | Hubert: Unfortunately discover seems to be broken in that regard. I would recommend doing a "apt-get --purge remove discover". |
| 03:42.51 | Hubert | thanks Zeeble and Stouset that fixed it :) |
| 03:42.56 | zeeble | daww: apt-get install apt-spy |
| 03:43.11 | stouset | Hubert: It's likely to break on reboot. Like I said, discover appears to be broken. |
| 03:43.13 | daww | zeeble, ? whats that |
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| 03:43.35 | zeeble | daww: will benchmark from debian mirrors and tell you which is the "fastest" for you. |
| 03:44.17 | BenDrake | stouset, when you did xf86config which mouse did you choose PS/2? |
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| 03:44.39 | stouset | BenDrake: Hell if I know. That was a few years ago. |
| 03:44.50 | daww | zeeble, ok, like netselect which I have allready run, I just want to know if a primary mirror connects me to a server close me or if it only has servers in one city |
| 03:44.51 | BenDrake | lol, ok |
| 03:45.18 | stouset | BenDrake: When I got my new laptop I just copied the hard drive contents over and reran update-grub. :-) |
| 03:45.33 | zeeble | daww: maybe, country/city wise. |
| 03:45.55 | BenDrake | aah, cool |
| 03:46.03 | BenDrake | good call |
| 03:46.11 | daww | zeeble, ok, is apt-spy better then netselect |
| 03:46.20 | BenDrake | is there a way to restart x without rebooting? |
| 03:46.42 | stouset | BenDrake: I'm not using any of the special features of the synaptics touchpad, though. All I know is it worked out of the box =\ I can click it to tap (although I should probably turn that off, it screws up my typing occasionally if I graze the touchpad), and I can move it around with no problem. That's all I need. |
| 03:46.52 | drini | yes bendrake |
| 03:46.57 | drini | press control-alt-backspace |
| 03:46.58 | stouset | BenDrake: /etc/init.d/(gdm|xdm|kdm) restart |
| 03:47.03 | drini | hehehehe |
| 03:47.04 | stouset | Or drini's solution |
| 03:47.06 | zeeble | daww: yeah. it grabs the mirror list from debian's website. and then benchmarks each of them and tells you which is the fastest. |
| 03:47.18 | stouset | drini: Does that reload config, too? Never thought to test it. |
| 03:47.23 | gravity | stouset: Yes |
| 03:47.31 | gravity | It kills X, and then *dm will reload it |
| 03:47.32 | drini | yes it does |
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| 03:47.37 | drini | of course, if you started with startx |
| 03:47.40 | stouset | Neat. When logging out, does the same thing happen as well? |
| 03:47.41 | drini | you need to do startx again |
| 03:47.49 | zeeble | that reminds me. i need to remove xdm |
| 03:48.08 | gravity | stouset: I don't think so |
| 03:48.14 | daww | zeeble, ok, thats not even close to what netselect can do (what I've seen), but netselect is recommened on the debian mirror site: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:48.21 | drini | no, logging out to *dm won't reload X |
| 03:48.30 | zeeble | daww: ok. |
| 03:48.34 | daww | zeeble, thats weird, they should recommend apt-spy instead |
| 03:48.46 | stouset | drini: Okay, that's what I thought. I always assume that Ctrl+Alt+Bksp and logging out were essentially the same thing. |
| 03:48.57 | zeeble | daww: no idea :) there's a netselect-apt too. |
| 03:49.01 | clueless | When I first installed Woody with X, I had this xconsole window that was updated as /var/log/syslog was updated. Now it's gone. How can I get it back? |
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| 03:49.22 | stouset | clueless: open a term, "tail -f /var/log/syslog"? |
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| 03:49.35 | gravity | I wish I remembered the name of that app |
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| 03:49.48 | zeeble | there was an app like that? |
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| 03:50.21 | jpeg | clueless, maybe you're thinking of xconsole. |
| 03:50.37 | zeeble | daww: try netselect-apt. it does the same thing as apt-spy. |
| 03:50.44 | zeeble | daww: just checked their docu |
| 03:50.52 | clueless | stouset: that will just print last 10 lines of syslog. The one I am talking about was 'self updating' |
| 03:51.02 | stouset | clueless: Right. tail -f. |
| 03:51.07 | zeeble | heh |
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| 03:51.20 | stouset | clueless: man tail |
| 03:51.32 | jpeg | clueless, xconsole is the name of the program. just run it from a term or put it in .xinitrc. |
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| 03:51.53 | tga | what can I do to a router so it won't trash its file system if it's powered off daily with no shutdown? |
| 03:52.05 | tga | I only need it to move packets, I have no daemons on it |
| 03:52.05 | stouset | tga: mount filesystems with the sync option |
| 03:52.10 | zeeble | d0h. it tells me could'nt open console. |
| 03:52.34 | tga | stouset: I see.. will that commit all writes right away or something? |
| 03:52.40 | tga | stouset: could I mount / read only? |
| 03:52.42 | clueless | stouset: thanks. :) |
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| 03:52.50 | stouset | zeeble: /dev/console is readable by group dialout |
| 03:52.53 | stouset | tga: put it in /etc/fstab as a mount option. |
| 03:53.09 | stouset | tga: / read only is tricky, from what I hear. As long as you don't write to it, it's moot. |
| 03:53.23 | stouset | tga: mount all as sync, and it doesn't buffer writes. Not foolproof, but you won't lose data. |
| 03:53.27 | zeeble | stouset: yeah, checked. added. running., i never knew of this xconsole app. tail -f for me. |
| 03:53.52 | stouset | zeeble: If you want xconsole, your user will need to be in the dialout group, or you can change the group of /dev/console |
| 03:53.52 | tga | stouset: I don't want to end up with a corrupt fs.. afaict it's only writing in /var/log atm |
| 03:54.09 | daww | zeeble, I'm quite sure a primary mirror is the right choice (netselect say so) and it's on the list when you run apt-setup |
| 03:54.26 | zeeble | daww: good then. |
| 03:54.34 | stouset | stouset: mount /var/ separately, mount /boot separately as sync,ro (and remount as rw to upgrade kernel), and tag everything else as sync |
| 03:54.43 | zeeble | stouset: yeah, i added myself to dialout. |
| 03:54.46 | stouset | tga, even |
| 03:55.12 | Azra`el | HI |
| 03:55.13 | stouset | tga: that should keep you safe |
| 03:55.22 | tga | stouset: gotcha, I'm doing all that other than the 'sync' option, I'll add it now |
| 03:55.33 | stew | tga: and you might as well have syslog log to a remote host instead of local fs while you are at it |
| 03:55.34 | stouset | tga: sync is probably the most important one :-) |
| 03:55.46 | tga | stew: I was thinking of killing it altogether |
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| 03:55.57 | stew | tga: which is what i do on my flash based router so save the flash memory from too many writes |
| 03:55.59 | stouset | tga: If you don't mind not having logs, that works. |
| 03:56.14 | cafuego | bloody hell, I get one or two paper based dell spams EVERY day |
| 03:56.16 | tga | stew: right, same here |
| 03:56.20 | stouset | tga: But sync is definitely what you want to do if you think that thing will be powered off routinely without warning. |
| 03:57.01 | tga | I'm trying to have an older box act as a wireless bridge, I don't care about logs, daemons, etc, but it has to boot up fast and not mind power downs |
| 03:57.27 | zeeble | ahh. gkrellm. nice. |
| 03:57.45 | BenDrake | hmm, would it be any better if I installed from CD? As far as drivers and whatnot go? |
| 03:57.47 | drini | zeeble: what's the package I'm supposed to install? |
| 03:57.51 | Azra`el | find something, (oldish intel serverboard cough cough) with a 2 meg userspace rom on it, and boot it from that |
| 03:58.01 | Azra`el | eeprom |
| 03:58.02 | benjamindees | tga, somebody should make a run-from-cd firewall distro based on Woody |
| 03:58.06 | zeeble | drini: for java? or azureus? |
| 03:58.07 | drini | j2se didn't shiw up after apt-get update |
| 03:58.13 | drini | java |
| 03:58.26 | stouset | drini: j2se isn't in apt |
| 03:58.40 | stouset | drini: You need to install java-package and use that to build a java deb |
| 03:58.41 | tga | benjamindees: it doesn't really matter what's it based on if it's a livecd and it works |
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| 03:58.54 | zeeble | drini: j2re1.4 |
| 03:58.59 | drini | zeeble gave me a line for osurces.list, stouset |
| 03:59.10 | stouset | ah :-) |
| 03:59.13 | zeeble | drini: or j2sdk1.4 |
| 03:59.22 | zeeble | whichever you want. |
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| 03:59.34 | cafuego | !install java |
| 03:59.35 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 03:59.48 | tga | is there an app that monitors and display disk writes? |
| 03:59.51 | sparr_ | can anyone tell me how to figure out why efnet servers cant use my ident service? |
| 03:59.55 | cafuego | drini: See what dpkg just said? Do that. |
| 04:00.02 | clueless | !dvd |
| 04:00.03 | dpkg | i guess dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
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| 04:00.24 | LeBear | Hrmmm.. Poo. I don't have a way to login to my UML install. lol |
| 04:00.28 | LeBear | man does that suck. |
| 04:00.38 | tga | I thought vserver was better than uml |
| 04:00.45 | sparr_ | ok, wtf |
| 04:00.46 | stew | LeBear: why not? |
| 04:00.47 | sparr_ | freenode servers cant do it either?? |
| 04:00.49 | sparr_ | wtf is wrong with this ident |
| 04:01.07 | zeeble | what identd is it? |
| 04:01.09 | stew | sparr_: are you behind a natting firewall? |
| 04:01.15 | Azra`el | so |
| 04:01.25 | sparr_ | stew: no. you can telnet into me on port 113 right now at 68.112.68.255 |
| 04:01.30 | sparr_ | well |
| 04:01.32 | sparr_ | no you cant |
| 04:01.32 | Azra`el | who do i kick for mixing up debian's rc / init system so badly? |
| 04:01.33 | drini | I did that, but I'm not rolling my own deb, so I'll go zeeble's route |
| 04:01.35 | sparr_ | cuz i just killed the service |
| 04:01.37 | LeBear | stew: the box is console only, so I don't have xterm available.. there's no serial line to use.. and I haven't gotten the networking to work kuz I don't have tun-tap support.. |
| 04:01.38 | Azra`el | s/kick/beat the crap out of |
| 04:01.40 | Azra`el | =) |
| 04:01.46 | sparr_ | NOW you can telnet in :) |
| 04:01.59 | zeeble | drini: that has 1.4x not the new 1.5x if you need that. |
| 04:02.08 | drini | I only need whatever azureus need |
| 04:02.26 | sparr_ | stew: now you can telnet in and see it |
| 04:02.31 | LeBear | hrmm.. I guess I can make me a new kernel that supports tun-tap.. and modules. |
| 04:02.50 | stew | LeBear: sparr_ yes |
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| 04:04.15 | calin | drini: ever consider getting the .rpm to install the JDK from sun, useing alien to convert it to .deb, putting it and whatever else you need to put up to provide a "mirror" for packages for debian, adding yourself to the /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update apt-get install (the package name you gave it)? |
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| 04:04.34 | stew | calin: wtf, no |
| 04:04.35 | sparr_ | stew: so, what else can i try? |
| 04:04.47 | calin | stew: hah, it's an option though |
| 04:04.50 | drini | yes I was about to try that when zeeble handed me the sources.list line |
| 04:04.52 | zeeble | hehe |
| 04:04.54 | stew | sparr_: dunno |
| 04:04.58 | drini | much easier |
| 04:05.11 | calin | drini: yes, it is |
| 04:05.30 | stew | i don't see how that is any easier than java-pacakge |
| 04:05.51 | cafuego | calin: That would be the "wrong way" |
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| 04:06.02 | zeeble | drini: ok, try this. apt-get install limewire, and the apt-get install azureus |
| 04:06.07 | zeeble | drini: then remove limewire |
| 04:06.21 | stew | uhh |
| 04:06.23 | cafuego | Thing is, the converted .rpm doesn't handle the browser plugin. |
| 04:07.18 | calin | cafuego: "wrong way" how? |
| 04:07.26 | Page | i am currently trying to get my sound to work under debian, running the 2.6.8 kernel. but everytime i login in i get an error message saying "device: default con't be opened for playback (no such file or directory)" does anyone know why this is happening, and how to fix it ? |
| 04:07.39 | stew | calin: if there is a debian way, and a way to use alien, alien is always the wrong way |
| 04:07.39 | cafuego | calin: As in "not the right way" |
| 04:08.13 | cafuego | it's not as if using make-jpkg is hard. My cat ran it by standing on the keyboard, for crying out loud. |
| 04:09.05 | aFlag | i can't seem to configure my microphone, i used alsaconf and get all my sound board configured and then i set the mic up on alsamixer |
| 04:09.09 | aFlag | but it doesn't seem to work |
| 04:09.13 | aFlag | at gnome sound recorder seem to crash everytime i try to record something |
| 04:09.18 | aFlag | any ideas? |
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| 04:10.31 | emRick | I want to use an older version of the transcode package. How do I list older versions and how to I "apt-get install" older versions? |
| 04:11.11 | cafuego | emRick: apt-get install trancode=version |
| 04:11.22 | LeBear | older than what's in debian? hehe try "apt-museum search transcode" :) |
| 04:11.38 | emRick | cafuego: tnx |
| 04:11.51 | calin | stew: i didn't remember seeing a .deb, so i thought of the .rpm |
| 04:12.19 | stew | calin: there isn't a deb, but there is /msg dpkg java in the /topic |
| 04:12.30 | tga | is there an app that monitors disk writes? |
| 04:12.42 | LeBear | vmstat ? |
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| 04:13.05 | tga | LeBear: looking into it.. |
| 04:13.09 | emRick | LeBear: I'm on testing but k3b doesn't want the lastest transcode. |
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| 04:13.36 | tga | LeBear: I'd like something that would display every disk write timestamped, maybe with the pid too |
| 04:13.37 | sparr_ | I have tried 3 different ident daemon packages. every single one of them works locally, and fails remotely. can anyone here either connect to my port 113 and verify this one is broken/working, or help me find one that works? |
| 04:13.41 | LeBear | tga: it might be vmstats.. I can never remember.. |
| 04:13.48 | emRick | LeBear: I see that apt-museum isn't a real command. Do you know how to actually list these versions? |
| 04:14.04 | LeBear | tga: ahh.. no.. it's not that advanced.. |
| 04:14.36 | tga | I wonder what happens if I remount / as ro |
| 04:14.45 | phin | hello, im attempting to build a debian package based on information found at this url: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide the problem im having is not having deb-make, i installed the debmake package thou, any suggestions? |
| 04:14.46 | LeBear | you can't write to it.. |
| 04:14.55 | tga | LeBear: that's the idea, yeah :) |
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| 04:15.38 | stew | phin: whats deb-make? do you mean dh_make?A |
| 04:15.51 | phin | not sure, thats not what this document says |
| 04:16.11 | phin | ive never built a package before. |
| 04:16.33 | tga | hmm.. it doesn't seem possible to mount / -o remount-ro on a live system |
| 04:16.44 | phin | if anyone would be kind enough to point me to a howto.... |
| 04:16.46 | LeBear | sure it is.. |
| 04:16.49 | stew | phin: where does it say deb-make? |
| 04:16.55 | phin | second page |
| 04:17.28 | cafuego | tga: You'll need a kernel moduole for that. An dit will spam your logs to BUGGERY, as it will log its own log action and start looping :-) |
| 04:17.29 | stew | phin: i see dh_make but not deb-make |
| 04:17.42 | phin | 1 sec. i'll get the exact url |
| 04:17.57 | tga | cafuego: what module is that? as for the logs, I turned off syslog |
| 04:18.04 | stew | phin: i know the maint-guide pretty well, i think you mean dh_make from debhelper |
| 04:18.12 | rajasun | isn't debmake deprecated already? |
| 04:18.18 | phin | is that used to make packages? |
| 04:18.47 | zeeble | yeah. |
| 04:18.49 | zeeble | earlier |
| 04:18.49 | guille_aR | i'm running redhat 9 (shirke) with ip virtual (eth0 and eth0:1 eth0:2) i make a script but iptables doen's recognize the ethernet interface as eth0:2 but eth0 works fine, is it a problem of iptables or should i change the way i make the script? |
| 04:18.49 | rajasun | HappHobo1: fvwm can be used instead of metacity |
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| 04:19.05 | tga | guille_aR: you do realize this is #debian, right? |
| 04:19.05 | rajasun | did i mention nautilus earlier? sorry ;) |
| 04:19.23 | gravity | guille_aR: You're very much in the wrong channel |
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| 04:19.38 | stew | phin: /msg dpkg newmaint |
| 04:19.42 | tga | not that the problem is distro-specific, but still |
| 04:19.48 | phin | thanks |
| 04:19.50 | tga | guille_aR: next time don't mention RedHat :) |
| 04:20.04 | zeeble | debmake was used around, prolly ver 2.0 |
| 04:20.05 | tga | guille_aR: you should try #bash |
| 04:20.05 | rob0 | haha |
| 04:20.05 | guille_aR | tga: thanks, sorry me please heee " iknow |
| 04:20.11 | guille_aR | black hat? |
| 04:20.24 | cafuego | if you were running debian you wouldn't be having this problem to begin with. |
| 04:20.24 | stew | guille_aR: #iptables |
| 04:20.26 | rob0 | iptables can't distinguish virtual interfaces |
| 04:20.35 | tga | hmm I didn't know that |
| 04:20.41 | sparr_ | whats a good channel for irc help, and/or linux networking help? |
| 04:21.01 | tga | rob0: is there a way around that? I imagine it's a pain if you have multiple subnets on the same wire |
| 04:21.07 | cafuego | see '-i eth0 -d <eth0:1 IP>' as alternative. |
| 04:21.28 | tga | ah, makes sense |
| 04:21.28 | rob0 | tga: not that I know of, just use IP's, which is a kludge. |
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| 04:21.54 | tga | in this case interface = physical NIC |
| 04:22.17 | guille_aR | thanks tga, i'll try. |
| 04:22.28 | tga | so back to my original question, what can I use to list every disk write and the process causing it? |
| 04:22.36 | pipeline | Curse you nvidia! |
| 04:23.11 | emcee | !WIN nvidia |
| 04:23.12 | rob0 | EVERY disk write? |
| 04:23.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, nvidia! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
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| 04:23.37 | aFlag | when i talk into my mic i can hear it throught the sound speaker, but i want it in a mode that it's only able to record stuff and programs being able to access it and all, how do i do it? |
| 04:23.38 | tga | rob0: yeah |
| 04:23.40 | pipeline | tga: that's going to be an ugly, ugly log |
| 04:23.56 | tga | pipeline: the hope is I can trim down the system so it doesn't write on disk at all |
| 04:23.59 | cafuego | tga: You'll need a kernel moduole for that. An dit will spam your logs to BUGGERY, as it will log its own log action and start looping :-) |
| 04:24.04 | rob0 | and I hope that ugly log isn't being written to disk :) |
| 04:24.16 | LeBear | tga: why? |
| 04:24.31 | tga | cafuego: not if it writes on the screen |
| 04:24.53 | cafuego | tga: Isn't it easier to simply boot the system read-only and see what fails? |
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| 04:25.09 | tga | cafuego: how do I turn it back to rw without a livecd? |
| 04:25.17 | cafuego | tga: man mount |
| 04:25.19 | Guerin | reboot |
| 04:25.20 | zeeble | remount |
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| 04:25.34 | tga | I just tried a `mount / -o ro,remount` but it didn't do anything |
| 04:25.38 | cafuego | tga: See the 'remount' param |
| 04:25.40 | Guerin | duh |
| 04:25.44 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:25.49 | Guerin | look at that line again |
| 04:26.01 | LeBear | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 04:26.05 | cafuego | tga: Didn't even spit out an error? |
| 04:26.06 | rob0 | remount,ro ? |
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| 04:26.13 | tga | cafuego: nope |
| 04:26.15 | peet | hey if i don't use xfs, do i need the service to be running? |
| 04:26.17 | cafuego | tga: BUG! |
| 04:26.19 | zeeble | nice to have a few jokes to start the morning with |
| 04:26.29 | skip_ | is it possible to set environment variables by editing a file, rather than using 'export'? |
| 04:26.33 | zeeble | peet: obviously not. |
| 04:26.45 | cafuego | peet: xfs the filesystem? |
| 04:26.52 | peet | well i have it in startup |
| 04:26.53 | Guerin | skip_: anything's possible |
| 04:26.55 | peet | well it starts up |
| 04:26.55 | rob0 | skip_: sure, if the file is sourced into your shell |
| 04:27.04 | hogmeat | skip_: .bashrc ? |
| 04:27.10 | cafuego | peet: coz xfs the application is the x font server and has nothing to do with the filesystem. |
| 04:27.10 | tga | LeBear: same thing, no error but `mount` still shows it as rw |
| 04:27.18 | peet | cafuego: doh ok |
| 04:27.28 | zeeble | wow. more and more duhs. |
| 04:27.33 | cafuego | peet: (Mind you, X will run fine without it) |
| 04:27.42 | LeBear | Hrmm. that's odd |
| 04:27.45 | peet | cafuego: but i ownt have leet fonts? |
| 04:27.49 | skip_ | hogmeat: doesn't seem to be a logical place in .bashrc to put it |
| 04:27.50 | cafuego | tga: try 'touch /foo' as root |
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| 04:27.56 | rob0 | tga: with /etc/mtab not writeable it would show as rw :) |
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| 04:28.08 | tga | pwned |
| 04:28.20 | zeeble | peet: |
| 04:28.23 | tga | rob0: I didn't think of that :) |
| 04:28.40 | cafuego | peet: You will, X is also configred to check the font directories. |
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| 04:29.07 | peet | cafuego: then what is the purpose of a font server |
| 04:29.17 | tga | peet: sharing fonts across machines? |
| 04:29.19 | cafuego | peet: To serve fonts to font clients. |
| 04:29.20 | Azra`el | taking up memory, and making the machine boot slower |
| 04:29.30 | peet | cafuego: thats dumb ill turn it off then |
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| 04:29.46 | cafuego | peet: You can even apt-get remove it |
| 04:30.06 | peet | cafuego: when would you need a font server? |
| 04:30.14 | bob2 | never |
| 04:30.19 | bob2 | if you did, you'd know |
| 04:30.22 | peet | ok |
| 04:30.23 | Azra`el | yeah. |
| 04:30.24 | peet | thanks |
| 04:30.25 | bob2 | and it would involve lots of X terminals |
| 04:30.35 | cafuego | peet: DAMMNIT! YOU WOKE bob2! |
| 04:30.42 | peet | :D |
| 04:30.43 | Azra`el | lots, and lots, and lots of xterminals |
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| 04:30.57 | peet | oo :O |
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| 04:31.28 | cafuego | bob2: We got your botnet banned. |
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| 04:31.35 | peet | also if i have gdm i dont ned to start xdm right |
| 04:31.42 | cafuego | peet: correct |
| 04:31.45 | bob2 | cafuego: how am I supposed to advertise my FR33 PR0N then? |
| 04:31.54 | peet | bob2: fre PRON??? WHERE? |
| 04:32.10 | cafuego | bob2: Oh no, it's a muich nicer botnet! This one was spamming the channel with PI to 5000-odd digits. |
| 04:32.14 | Guerin | peet: 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:32.23 | peet | Guerin: :D |
| 04:32.28 | bob2 | oh, right |
| 04:32.54 | peet | how come i have two gdm processes...is this normal |
| 04:33.04 | peet | in fact why do i have two metalog processes too |
| 04:33.35 | tga | I'm not sure if this makes sense, but can I have a wireless bridge that doesn't get an address in either network but just moves packets from one interface to the other? |
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| 04:35.08 | LeBear | well.. that's what a bridge is.. no? |
| 04:35.36 | BenDrake | ahh, I am a streamtuner addict. |
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| 04:36.45 | LeBear | Poooooooo! |
| 04:36.49 | LeBear | stupid tun.o |
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| 04:37.25 | agentbob | are there any other sites like backports? i need to get qt >= 3.1.0 with libqt-mt |
| 04:37.29 | tga | shouldn't it be .ko? |
| 04:37.47 | tga | agentbob: try www.apt-get.org, that might help |
| 04:37.58 | agentbob | thanks |
| 04:39.12 | BenDrake | hmm, Gnome 2.8 is released |
| 04:39.20 | dac_ | 2.8? |
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| 04:40.22 | Eiszeit | moin moin |
| 04:40.40 | cair0 | how do you remove an init script from the default runlevel? |
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| 04:41.22 | dac_ | cair0: update-rc.d -f service remove |
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| 04:41.43 | agentbob | hmm gnuLinEx seems to have it but also a crapload of other packages i'm not looking to upgrade.... |
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| 04:41.55 | cair0 | dac_: thanks |
| 04:42.07 | cair0 | also, apt-get install bitchx doesn't seem to work |
| 04:42.18 | cair0 | and i can't find it in aptitude |
| 04:42.32 | BenDrake | apt-cache search bitchx |
| 04:42.47 | LeBear | bitchx is poop. |
| 04:42.53 | BenDrake | xchat |
| 04:42.56 | BenDrake | whoot |
| 04:43.15 | surrounder | irssi++ |
| 04:43.34 | cair0 | Any good console IRC progs that have color? |
| 04:43.44 | surrounder | cair0: irssi |
| 04:43.45 | dac_ | cair0: irssi |
| 04:43.47 | LeBear | irssi |
| 04:43.52 | dac_ | ;) |
| 04:43.53 | Azra`el | cair0: BitchX |
| 04:43.55 | peet | how do i access the ntop webpage |
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| 04:44.26 | emRick | cair0: ERC has colors :-) |
| 04:44.28 | cair0 | BenDrake: i don't get any relavent results with that |
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| 04:44.51 | cair0 | Azra`el: for some reason i cant find bitchx with apt-get |
| 04:44.54 | tga | cair0: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 04:45.31 | Azra`el | cair0: www.bitchx.org click the "download" button, and compile it. |
| 04:45.36 | BenDrake | hmm odd |
| 04:45.55 | _rene_ | urks, bitchx. bitchx is a bitch. don't use it |
| 04:45.56 | _rene_ | use irrsi |
| 04:45.59 | _rene_ | err |
| 04:46.01 | _rene_ | irssi |
| 04:46.11 | cair0 | _rene_: yeah im getting it now |
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| 04:48.05 | agentbob | how do i use apt-get.org? it's different from backports... these have craploads of packages attached to each entry... |
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| 04:48.31 | agentbob | the 'sid' backports seem to have qt3 i'm looking for... i added 'deb http://debian.cli.unipi.it/debian/ woody sherpya |
| 04:48.51 | agentbob | ' to my sources.apt file... ran apt-get update, but it doesn't seem to see the new qt3 pkg |
| 04:49.17 | dondelelcaro | agentbob: apt-get.org is just a meta-site. |
| 04:49.57 | mbp2 | Anyone else having problems with X freezing frequently using the new (1.0.7167) nvidia driver in sid? |
| 04:50.26 | chealer | mbp2: ask #nvidia |
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| 04:51.24 | BenDrake | Does Debian come pre-installed with a firewall, if not how do I get one? |
| 04:51.35 | zeeble | BenDrake: apt-get install firehol |
| 04:51.40 | pureone|afk | apt-get install firestarter |
| 04:51.50 | zeeble | or that. |
| 04:52.38 | agentbob | dondelecaro: ok i get that... but i can't find anywhere that has information on the different managed package groups... ie i'm lookin at the 'Sid backports' and theres a lot of em... no idea if installing will break other stuff... buuuut oh well might as well |
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| 04:56.38 | dondelelcaro | agentbob: what it will break is totally dependent upon the package itself and who actually packaged the thing |
| 04:56.50 | dondelelcaro | agentbob: there's no way for me to say apriori what it will do to your system |
| 04:57.37 | emRick | BenDrake: I highly recommend firestarter. you can really watch what is going on with the "active connections". |
| 04:57.47 | BenDrake | done and done |
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| 04:59.03 | fruers | I have a box that somebody has used unstable packages on, but i'm not sure which ones they are, is there a way to find out? |
| 04:59.47 | chealer | fruers: apt-show-versions -u -b | grep unstable, or see the APT HOWTO section 3.8 |
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| 05:00.47 | markmrd | gtgt |
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| 05:01.08 | fruers | Thanks chealer, i'll check the doco too |
| 05:01.47 | BenDrake | ahh. I got guarddog RRRRRRR |
| 05:02.21 | chealer | why can't neverball hard be easy? |
| 05:02.52 | XboddoboX | becouse it is made up of electrostatic plasma, that cannot be contained as of yet |
| 05:03.31 | chealer | no, I'm sure it's because of debian |
| 05:03.34 | BenDrake | hmmm, now its blocking kopete |
| 05:03.38 | BenDrake | geez |
| 05:03.44 | XboddoboX | hmm, yes I concur chealer |
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| 05:05.58 | LeBear | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd0800000, 00:05:5d:d2:31:2f, IRQ 10 |
| 05:05.58 | LeBear | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' |
| 05:05.58 | LeBear | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd0800000, 00:05:5d:d2:31:2f, IRQ 10 |
| 05:05.58 | LeBear | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' |
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| 05:06.10 | LeBear | gah. sorry.. stupid mouse. |
| 05:06.11 | dondelelcaro | LeBear: please read /topic and refrain from pasting. |
| 05:06.28 | kethinov | middle click can be evil sometimes ;) |
| 05:06.31 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 05:06.37 | LeBear | Can anyone tell me what driver that is? is it 8139 or rlt ? |
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| 05:06.59 | LeBear | I meant to put just the two lines, but the right button is really sensitive.. |
| 05:07.07 | jond3rd | depends on the kernel version I think |
| 05:07.39 | jond3rd | 2.4 uses rtl and 2.6 uses 8139too if I'm not mistaken |
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| 05:08.14 | jackie | :) |
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| 05:08.39 | jotwell | hello all |
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| 05:09.24 | BenDrake | stupid firewalls |
| 05:09.38 | cair0 | anyone know why XWindows will only start in 640x480? |
| 05:09.46 | BenDrake | I thought they were supposed to be simple |
| 05:10.11 | cair0 | i don't even have 640x480 as an option in my XF86Config |
| 05:10.26 | XboddoboX | make one |
| 05:10.28 | mwilson | cair0: I suppose you expect people to guess, since you don't provide any details. |
| 05:10.36 | XboddoboX | lol |
| 05:10.51 | mwilson | Someone said something funny? |
| 05:10.55 | Gandalf_vhcs | hello, just one question (don't want to explain reasons long story :D) if i install debian woody and ru "apt-get dist-upgrade" the system will be in debian sarge or not? thanks in advance |
| 05:11.06 | mwilson | Gandalf_vhcs: No. |
| 05:11.06 | XboddoboX | your downplay on his intelect is amusing |
| 05:11.13 | BenDrake | whats woody? |
| 05:11.18 | chealer | !woody |
| 05:11.18 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 05:11.40 | BenDrake | ahh, ic |
| 05:11.51 | Gandalf_vhcs | mwilson: no other way of updating woody to sarge except fresh install? |
| 05:12.03 | cair0 | the only modes i have in my XF86Config-4 file are "800x600", so why is it that when i startx, it ives me a 640x480 resolution |
| 05:12.14 | mwilson | Gandalf_vhcs: Did anyone say that? |
| 05:12.17 | fooz_ | hate it when i misplace files.. |
| 05:12.26 | Gandalf_vhcs | nope just aslking |
| 05:12.32 | XboddoboX | becouse cair0, the default color depth corresponds to the resolution |
| 05:12.41 | mwilson | cair0: Gee, still no details, huh? Perhaps if you actually looked at the log and found out why? |
| 05:12.46 | |biovore| | Gandalf_vhcs: dist upgrade |
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| 05:13.21 | Gandalf_vhcs | |biovore| : that's what i asked and the answer was no |
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| 05:13.58 | mwilson | Gandalf_vhcs: No, that's not what you asked. |
| 05:14.01 | Nurbs | Gandalf_vhcs: you need to change your sources list, too, oc |
| 05:14.05 | BenDrake | geez, Im way to used to using microsoft products.. I keep checking for updates lol |
| 05:14.07 | XboddoboX | cair0 theres plenty of info on what you are looking for via google |
| 05:14.22 | lakcaj | Gandalf_vhcs, you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and change all the stable references to testing. Then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:14.25 | LeBear | just upgrade to unstable if you want updates.. |
| 05:14.42 | chealer | LeBear: huh? testing has updates too |
| 05:14.43 | Gandalf_vhcs | ok o thanks guys |
| 05:14.59 | LeBear | chealer: unstable as more :P |
| 05:15.14 | karsten | !seen N00b2Debian |
| 05:15.14 | dpkg | n00b2debian is currently on #debian (2h 30m 16s). Has said a total of 258 messages. Is idling for 11h 32m 6s |
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| 05:15.21 | Nurbs | add experimental in there... and incoming :o) |
| 05:15.38 | N00b2Debian | LOL @ Karsten |
| 05:15.39 | lakcaj | Isn't testing a happy compromise between unstable and stable... is sarge what "most" desktop users run? |
| 05:15.46 | N00b2Debian | guess what im typing on |
| 05:15.52 | chealer | lakcaj: yes |
| 05:15.52 | stouset | A keyboard |
| 05:15.58 | LeBear | a soggy cat? |
| 05:16.00 | XboddoboX | a mac? |
| 05:16.01 | karsten | N00b2Debian: !WinXP? |
| 05:16.04 | stouset | Crap, LeBear's got me. |
| 05:16.10 | stouset | A band of rabid poodles! |
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| 05:16.24 | N00b2Debian | nope .. sarge .. but I need a bit of help .. can i pm ? |
| 05:16.25 | BenDrake | Cheeze? |
| 05:16.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Keep it on channel. |
| 05:16.33 | mwilson | lakcaj: No, testing is not any sort of "happy compromise". |
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| 05:16.46 | N00b2Debian | youbetcha ... I cant seem to get better than 800x600 and its killing me |
| 05:16.53 | N00b2Debian | the windows are too dang big |
| 05:17.04 | BenDrake | yeah, thats the same prob I had |
| 05:17.04 | LeBear | nvidia card |
| 05:17.04 | N00b2Debian | not sure what i need to do to change it |
| 05:17.05 | LeBear | ? |
| 05:17.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:17.11 | BenDrake | but I fixed it. |
| 05:17.12 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...is the configuration thingie. |
| 05:17.15 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: how did you manage to install debian? was'nt it b44? |
| 05:17.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: do you have the 'lspci' command? If so: lspci | grep -i vga. Paste that line here. |
| 05:17.42 | N00b2Debian | zeeble when I let sarge go on without making a new partition of fat32 it installed fine |
| 05:17.47 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yeah, what was the magic? |
| 05:18.02 | transgress | N00b2Debian i swear... are there just a lot of noob2 people or were you n00b2slack earlier? |
| 05:18.03 | N00b2Debian | but I still wanted that partition |
| 05:18.05 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK, so you were installing onto a FAT32 partition? |
| 05:18.14 | N00b2Debian | no i wasnt transgress |
| 05:18.16 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...yesterday? |
| 05:18.18 | transgress | okay just curious |
| 05:18.38 | karsten | N00b2Debian: /join #flood and paste 'mount' |
| 05:18.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...output of. |
| 05:18.43 | Gandalf_vhcs | is there a way to select lilo on debian sarge install??? because this is my problem grub don't determine boot device, had to swith to woody first and then update back to sarge thanks |
| 05:18.46 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: uh ok. |
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| 05:18.53 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's your IRC client? |
| 05:19.01 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: Install lilo. Remove grub. |
| 05:19.02 | BenDrake | well night |
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| 05:19.06 | cair0 | ok neither google.com, nor XFree86.log.0 are giving me any information as to why X is running in 640x480 when the only Modes specified in my config are "800x600" |
| 05:19.19 | drini | cair0: put the largest mode at the first of the proper line |
| 05:19.19 | N00b2Debian | my irc client is irssi ? |
| 05:19.24 | drini | (and remove the others if you don't need it) |
| 05:19.29 | karsten | cair0: I'm about to go through this with N00b2Debian, you might want to pay attention. |
| 05:19.42 | zeeble | drini: got azureus? |
| 05:19.43 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. You can paste to channel with: /exec -o <command> |
| 05:19.44 | cair0 | drini: like i said, 800x600 is the only mode in ANY depth |
| 05:19.52 | karsten | N00b2Debian: _don't_ do that here, but it's OK in #flood. |
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| 05:20.14 | N00b2Debian | what am i dong ... or .. how do i stop it |
| 05:20.17 | N00b2Debian | doing |
| 05:20.25 | karsten | N00b2Debian: NFC. |
| 05:20.26 | N00b2Debian | Ksirc is what im using |
| 05:20.31 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: i can't even access the debian newly installed OS the installation hangs at the begining on grub install so i can't remove anything can't even use apt-get, i need to select lilo instead of grub which i can't find between the options so i thought it's an option at the boot maybe |
| 05:20.32 | karsten | N00b2Debian: /join #flood |
| 05:20.54 | bloom | what's a good, lightweight xterm replacement that can handle UTF-8, can handle scrolling while selecting text, and doesn't bring in mounds of dependancies? |
| 05:21.01 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: cancel the grub install. Can you continue past it? |
| 05:21.13 | karsten | bloom: rxvt-unicode. |
| 05:21.34 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: no i can't the install hangs see this topic http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=302045 for more details |
| 05:21.36 | toresbe | !morning |
| 05:21.36 | dpkg | methinks morning is the early day after yesterday |
| 05:21.40 | kparskoy | If anyone knows of a good lm-sensors howto I would greatly appreciate it. I have spent alot of time on google trying all the ones i have found there and nothing is working for me |
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| 05:22.28 | chealer | kparskoy: a howto for what :? sensors-detect? |
| 05:22.34 | bloom | karsten: thanks, somehow I missed that when I was doing apt-cache search terminal emulator |
| 05:22.37 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: I'm not sure. I'm also not sure I can help you, pitch it to channel. |
| 05:22.41 | benjamindees | can I do a net install with the regular Sarge install cd1 ? |
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| 05:23.12 | mwilson | kparskoy: There's something wrong with the extensive documentation the package comes with? |
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| 05:23.26 | karsten | cair0: Please don't paste your *entire* dmesg to #flood unless someone asks. You're tying up the channel for several minutes. |
| 05:23.27 | zeeble | benjamindees: guess so. install base, config net. exit installer. |
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| 05:23.37 | mwilson | bloom: Why would you need to replace xterm? |
| 05:23.45 | karsten | bloom: Not sure. Read the docs. |
| 05:24.00 | benjamindees | zeeble, hmm okay I'll try, thanks |
| 05:24.25 | bloom | mwilson: not in the "replace the binary" sense, but in a "switch to another program" sense |
| 05:24.26 | kalessin | I'm using dhcp to configure one of my interfaces. Is there an analog of if-up.d that will be run when my IP address changes? |
| 05:24.45 | kparskoy | chealer: I have run sensors-detect and pasted the lines it wants... but no go sensors does not spit any temps |
| 05:24.48 | jim | bloom: there's rxvt, gnome-terminal |
| 05:24.49 | mwilson | bloom: And as I said, why would you need to replace xterm? |
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| 05:24.56 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: what do you mean by pitch it to channel. |
| 05:25.03 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: Ask channel, not me. |
| 05:25.04 | kparskoy | mwilson: that was a rather nice way of saying RTFM |
| 05:25.08 | jim | mwilson: he wants to use something else |
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| 05:25.13 | bloom | mwilson: I frequently need to copy more data than can fit in the window at once, and I can't make an xterm scroll while selecting |
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| 05:25.18 | mwilson | jim: And I asked why. |
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| 05:25.26 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: I'm trying to help someone else, I'm not sure of a solution for your problem, and I'm tired. |
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| 05:25.35 | jim | well there we both go :) |
| 05:25.41 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten ok thank you for your help |
| 05:25.42 | karsten | !tell cair0 about paster |
| 05:25.51 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: NP, sorry I can't do more. |
| 05:26.01 | Gandalf_vhcs | it's ok np |
| 05:26.05 | chealer | kparskoy: what's your chipset? |
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| 05:26.07 | karsten | cair0: Use what the bot just told you next time. |
| 05:26.10 | bloom | mwilson: is that a good reason? |
| 05:26.25 | mwilson | cair0 *still* hasn't bothered to read the log and find out what his problem is, has he? |
| 05:26.30 | karsten | N00b2Debian: In your IRC client: /exec -o lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 05:26.43 | rob0 | wow, this is the first time I've seen #debian under 700 users. Are people moving to ##debian? |
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| 05:26.51 | mwilson | bloom: What does it being good or bad have to do with it? |
| 05:26.57 | chealer | rob0: no, it's common |
| 05:27.12 | cair0 | karsten: sorry, i was just testing /exec; probably should've used a lighter command |
| 05:27.15 | cair0 | mwilson *still* hasn't dropped the elitist attitude, has he? |
| 05:27.24 | karsten | cair0: Please disconnect and reconnect to server. |
| 05:27.28 | N00b2Debian | oh lord wrong place |
| 05:27.37 | karsten | cair0: You've been killing #flood for the past four minutes. |
| 05:27.40 | N00b2Debian | sorry channel |
| 05:27.45 | karsten | cair0: ...and you've got about 4 more to go. |
| 05:27.48 | cair0 | karsten: i apologize |
| 05:27.49 | mwilson | cair0: Yes, it's elitist to ask you for details of your problem. How DARE anyone ask you questions, huh? |
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| 05:28.15 | mwilson | bloom: I have no idea why you think xterm can't do that. |
| 05:28.25 | bloom | mwilson: because of experience |
| 05:28.26 | karsten | cair0: Thanks. |
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| 05:28.30 | bloom | mwilson: unless you know a way |
| 05:28.59 | bloom | mwilson: how do you do it then? |
| 05:29.06 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's your graphics card? |
| 05:29.21 | mwilson | bloom: The xterm documentation talks about extending the selection with right-mouse for a reason. |
| 05:29.25 | N00b2Debian | its an Intell 8460 |
| 05:29.27 | bloom | mwilson: for me, dragging outside the window doesn't make it scroll, and turning the scroll wheel while selecting doesn't make it scroll |
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| 05:29.43 | N00b2Debian | im sorry Intel R828456 |
| 05:29.45 | kparskoy | chealer: I have a VIA KT133A chipset |
| 05:29.49 | karsten | cair0: FYI: when you past large blocks of text, your client delays a second between lines. Meaning you tie up a channel for a _long_ time with a large paste. Even #flood's not meant for that. |
| 05:29.57 | bloom | mwilson: ok -- so THAT's how to do it |
| 05:30.00 | bloom | mwilson: thanks |
| 05:30.08 | mwilson | Why people can't read... |
| 05:30.17 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You sure of that? |
| 05:30.32 | stouset | mwilson: repeat? |
| 05:30.41 | zophyx | hablo englese |
| 05:30.43 | stouset | mwilson: needs clarification |
| 05:30.53 | N00b2Debian | yes when I was in windows i went to the system configuration and got the controller from hardware |
| 05:31.01 | karsten | cair0: you're trying to get higher res, right? Look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log. If you can't work out the issue, use the paste *website*. |
| 05:31.13 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Run: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:31.17 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Paste output here. |
| 05:31.21 | mwilson | karsten: He thinks looking at a log file is elitist. |
| 05:31.24 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Should be one line only. |
| 05:31.39 | cair0 | mwilson: i think your attitude is elitist |
| 05:31.40 | karsten | mwilson: It is. We're going to turn him into an elitist. |
| 05:31.41 | Guerin | well it is |
| 05:31.48 | zeeble | hehe |
| 05:31.51 | karsten | cair0: It is. We're going to turn him into an elitist. |
| 05:31.55 | Guerin | it implies that one must be able to read to troubleshoot a computer |
| 05:31.56 | karsten | cair0: s/him/you/ |
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| 05:32.08 | mwilson | Guerin: Yes, how dare I expect him to be able to read. |
| 05:32.16 | N00b2Debian | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 05:32.16 | Guerin | mwilson: you bastard |
| 05:32.19 | calin | feck and joy of joys |
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| 05:32.29 | zophyx | reading gibberish |
| 05:32.32 | N00b2Debian | 3 lines |
| 05:32.34 | N00b2Debian | =) |
| 05:32.51 | karsten | N00b2Debian: FYI, I'm googling that line + "xfree86" |
| 05:33.04 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...which is the fastest general way to find an appropriate driver. |
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| 05:33.15 | Nwallins | tspc isn't recognizing my username that I set in /etc/tsp/tspc.conf |
| 05:33.25 | cair0 | i've scanned through the log file, and it says it's using Mode 112, which is 640x480 but i don't see *why* it's using that mode, since there are NO 640x480 modes specified in my XF86Config |
| 05:33.35 | benjamindees | well my b44 nic works with 2.6 but not with any 2.4 kernels I've tried in Debian |
| 05:33.36 | chealer | kparskoy: I don't find it in http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/supported.html does it have an other name? |
| 05:33.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Should be an i810 driver. That's the first question in the config setup. Run: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 05:33.49 | karsten | !tell cair0 about paster |
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| 05:33.54 | karsten | cair0: Paste the log to c.d.o |
| 05:34.04 | zeeble | benjamindees: you did a base install already? |
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| 05:34.06 | mwilson | Yes, put the log where someone can actually read it. |
| 05:34.13 | zophyx | benjamindees: did they backport the b44 driver to 2.4 ? |
| 05:34.17 | triknocrat | anyone using exim? where is the local_domains located? |
| 05:34.18 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Paste your XF86Config-4 file to c.d.o |
| 05:34.22 | zeeble | zophyx: yes. since 2.4.22 |
| 05:34.23 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about paster |
| 05:34.24 | benjamindees | zeeble, I got far enough to know whether my nic works |
| 05:34.27 | zophyx | ah |
| 05:34.37 | Hanchampyury | I`m trying to install debian sarge, when the installation start, it can`t detect my network card (realtek 8139),How can I configure that on installation? |
| 05:34.38 | cair0 | karsten: i'm not totally sure how i'm going to do that with just a command line |
| 05:34.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...so I can see what's there. |
| 05:34.42 | benjamindees | zophyx, yeah, it's been in 2.4 for a while, works fine for me on fc1 (2.4.22-blah) |
| 05:35.01 | zeeble | benjamindees: :) nice. though i dont see why the ones after 2.4.22 dont work for you. |
| 05:35.02 | karsten | cair0: aptitude install w3m; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 05:35.19 | karsten | cair0: 'links' is another console browser, you may find it easier to use. |
| 05:35.27 | mwilson | karsten: You still recommending aptitude? |
| 05:35.30 | benjamindees | zeeble, I don't either, I went so far as to compile the driver from fc1 with the 2.4.27 kernel, no luck |
| 05:35.30 | cair0 | karsten: no, i have links2, i just dont know how to copy/paste |
| 05:35.31 | Jerub | w3m is an awesome text browser. |
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| 05:35.33 | karsten | mwilson: Yes. |
| 05:35.37 | N00b2Debian | Karsten I get an error that says command not found |
| 05:35.40 | mwilson | karsten: Any response on your bug report? |
| 05:35.41 | karsten | mwilson: With caveats, but I recommend it. |
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| 05:36.00 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What command? 'dpkg-reconfigure' needs root. |
| 05:36.02 | stouset | Jerub: /agree |
| 05:36.05 | karsten | mwilson: Sec. |
| 05:36.15 | N00b2Debian | k |
| 05:36.37 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Suggest you learn about sudo RSN. |
| 05:36.41 | karsten | !tell N00b2Debian about RSN |
| 05:36.52 | karsten | mwilson: nope |
| 05:36.54 | kparskoy | chealer: the page with my mobo specs on it has another one listed on it. VIA VT82C686B. |
| 05:36.59 | mwilson | karsten: Not surprising. |
| 05:37.05 | benjamindees | zeeble, I may try a vanilla kernel to make sure it isn't a debian-specific problem |
| 05:37.12 | cafuego | Why does Australia Post not know about my postcode? |
| 05:37.29 | karsten | cafuego: Reasons of National Security? |
| 05:37.40 | chealer | kparskoy: is it as asus board? |
| 05:37.50 | karsten | cafuego: ...or just chalk it up to Australian Efficiency. |
| 05:37.54 | cafuego | karsten: That's RNS, not RSN. |
| 05:38.09 | kparskoy | chealer: nah it is an MSI-6330 |
| 05:38.13 | zeeble | benjamindees: hm, good luck. atleast you know that it works with the debian netinstaller for 2.6.x |
| 05:38.17 | karsten | cafuego: RNS? |
| 05:38.23 | karsten | cafuego: NM. |
| 05:38.25 | Hanchampyury | why did debian sarge installation don`t detect my network card ??? realtek 8139 ? |
| 05:38.27 | stouset | cafuego: Raison d'Securite Nationale? |
| 05:38.36 | cafuego | !RNS is Reasons of National Security |
| 05:38.36 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 05:38.40 | stouset | cafuego: Although I'm sure I borked the spelling :-) |
| 05:38.41 | kparskoy | chealer: I really appreciate you taking the time to help |
| 05:38.48 | cafuego | !tell karsten -about RNS |
| 05:38.59 | karsten | stouset: Raisins d'Securite Nationale! |
| 05:39.19 | stouset | Awesome. National Security raisins are clearly the best. |
| 05:39.19 | N00b2Debian | Karsten .. it is asking me about the bus identifier |
| 05:39.20 | cair0 | karsten: how am i supposed to paste the file into the text area in links? |
| 05:39.37 | chealer | kparskoy: if it's VT82C686B it says it's supported bia i2c-viapro |
| 05:39.43 | chealer | s/bia/via |
| 05:40.02 | cafuego | N00b2Debian: it said on the previous page you could just leave it blank and hit return. Did you not READ that? |
| 05:40.13 | karsten | cair0: Sec. |
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| 05:40.31 | karsten | cair0: Use w3m instead. |
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| 05:41.09 | kparskoy | chealer: yeah i have the i2c_viapro module loaded |
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| 05:41.40 | karsten | cair0: In w3m, arrow down to the 'paste' dialog. Hit <enter> |
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| 05:42.04 | karsten | cair0: ...then type: 0r /var/log/XFree86.0.log<enter>ZZ |
| 05:42.33 | kparskoy | chealer: when i fire up torsmo though it tells me that /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0060/temp1_input doesn't exist |
| 05:42.34 | cair0 | karsten: ok |
| 05:42.41 | Hanchampyury | when I`m on debian sarge installation, that says kernel modules can`t be load... what is that? |
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| 05:43.00 | cair0 | karsten: alright |
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| 05:43.57 | chealer | kparskoy: I don't know torsmo. did you try sensors? |
| 05:43.59 | jeff_ | hey guys, what is bonobo-activation-server |
| 05:44.04 | karsten | cair0: Note that on the dialogs, you tab to dialog, hit <enter>, then enter the text on the bottom of the screen. <enter> when you're done. |
| 05:44.16 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's going on, dude? |
| 05:44.19 | jeff_ | why is it always running in the background |
| 05:44.50 | mwilson | jeff_: It's part of Gnome. |
| 05:44.57 | chealer | kparskoy: you seem right about MSI-6330 being vt82c686b |
| 05:45.03 | jeff_ | well im running in fluxbox |
| 05:45.07 | karsten | jeff_: man bonobo-activation-server |
| 05:45.11 | jeff_ | also gnome-vfs-daemon |
| 05:45.13 | karsten | jeff_: If you don't find a manpage, file a bug. |
| 05:45.25 | oliver_ | jeff_: probably have a gnome application in use |
| 05:45.27 | kparskoy | chealer: yeah sensors shows no temps, I need to head to bed. But i think you have pointed me in the way to find my answer. I hadn't been googling with my chipset in the query |
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| 05:45.44 | karsten | jeff_: ...actually, blow me down, GNOME's *actually* provided a manpage here. |
| 05:45.51 | jeff_ | lol |
| 05:46.05 | jeff_ | i have no programs running execpt the desktop and xchat |
| 05:46.07 | stouset | karsten: it's not supposed to be run by users, it's in /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/ |
| 05:46.07 | kparskoy | chealer: thanks alot! hopefully that will help |
| 05:46.25 | jeff_ | is there a way i can get it off.. |
| 05:46.37 | karsten | stouset: Didn't say it was. However, Debian Policy requires manpages. |
| 05:46.40 | oliver_ | hmm, anyone know if xchat uses bonoboa components? |
| 05:46.51 | karsten | stouset: Mind, the manpage isn't exceptionally helpful. But it exists. |
| 05:47.01 | jeff_ | ill come back in with just a terminal this time nothing but flux. |
| 05:47.03 | stouset | karsten: fair enough :-) |
| 05:47.05 | chealer | kparskoy: make sure you have via838a loaded too |
| 05:47.06 | oliver_ | jeff_: it isn't a server, a in webserver, if you're wroried about that |
| 05:47.07 | jeff_ | see if anything changes. |
| 05:47.29 | Hanchampyury | modprobe 8139too, work in debian??? |
| 05:47.29 | chealer | kparskoy: s/via838a/via686a |
| 05:47.29 | mwilson | jeff_: You have no reason to "get it off". |
| 05:47.29 | jeff_ | i just dont want it to eat my resources |
| 05:47.29 | stouset | jeff_: it doesn't eat many resources |
| 05:47.39 | stouset | jeff_: It's a tool for GNOME's corba implementation |
| 05:47.46 | stouset | jeff_: Evolution relies heavily on it, as I recall |
| 05:48.02 | oliver_ | stouset: most gnome applicatons actually |
| 05:48.09 | kparskoy | chealer: it is. sensors-detect gave me a bunch of modules to load |
| 05:48.10 | zeeble | jeff: are you using gdm or something? |
| 05:48.16 | jeff_ | oh i see. mabey if i used a differnt login besides gdm |
| 05:48.19 | jeff_ | yea i am |
| 05:48.22 | stouset | oliver_: Really? Thought GNOME had started to move away from the oaf/bonobo framework. |
| 05:48.24 | oliver_ | stouset: it seems to be used (among other reasons) for draggable toolbars and the like |
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| 05:48.33 | zeeble | jeff: maybe that. apt-get install xdm |
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| 05:48.49 | jeff_ | ok |
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| 05:48.56 | stouset | jeff_: I wouldn't worry about it. Nearly 0 CPU and memory usage. |
| 05:48.58 | oliver_ | stouset: well the current glade-2 build makes your default gnome app loaded with bonobo components |
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| 05:49.10 | mwilson | karsten: I'm sure if you file a bug, they'll get that nasty ol' man page right out of there. |
| 05:49.12 | stouset | oliver_: Well then, never mind :-) |
| 05:49.19 | jeff_ | also gnome-vfs-daemon |
| 05:49.19 | oliver_ | stouset: hehehe |
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| 05:49.25 | jeff_ | i want to be in x without any gnome bloat |
| 05:49.57 | oliver_ | jeff_: xchat may well be using the vfs for it's network connection |
| 05:50.09 | jeff_ | oh i see |
| 05:50.10 | zbrown | jeff_: is it causing such an issue that you're computer is losing a noticeable percentage of performance. Because I am 99.9999% sure you can't tell. |
| 05:50.11 | stouset | 0.0% CPU and 0.1% memory (256 megs of memory) |
| 05:50.12 | stouset | Hardly bloat. |
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| 05:50.22 | oliver_ | jeff_: the vfs is used by a lot of applicaitons nowadays |
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| 05:50.46 | jeff_ | lol oi. i guess i just want to make my 186 megs of memory not be in 170 of it in use all the time |
| 05:50.54 | stouset | jeff_: and bonobo components are likely to be loaded by any GNOME-related apps you run anyways. KDE has the same sorts of things, IIRC. |
| 05:50.58 | N00b2Debian | Karsten .. I think I got it reconfigured .. is there a way to reset it here now or do i need to reboot? |
| 05:51.02 | mwilson | jeff_: Uh, if it's not ALL in use, ALL of the time, then something is WRONG. |
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| 05:51.09 | stouset | Any way to see exact memory usage of a running process? |
| 05:51.10 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Just restart X. |
| 05:51.25 | zbrown | jeff_: thats part of the kernel... the kernel uses that memory to cache, store unused parts of programs etc... what good is memory thats not being used? |
| 05:51.25 | cair0 | karsten: still can't get the text pasted in to the website, once it brings up vim, the command you gave me earlier didn't work |
| 05:51.26 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...or from console: 'X :1' |
| 05:51.40 | WillySilly | anyone know if someone made some kde3. |
| 05:51.47 | WillySilly | 4 packages |
| 05:51.47 | karsten | cair0: Within vim, '0r /var/log/XFree86.0.log<enter>ZZ' works. |
| 05:51.47 | jeff_ | mabey less time it takes to load up a menu when i right click on flux's desktop |
| 05:51.48 | zbrown | jeff_: do yourself a favor and get the O'Reilly book "Understanding The Linux Kernel" |
| 05:51.49 | WillySilly | ? |
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| 05:51.54 | stouset | jeff_: your computer will likely be using near 100% of its memory soon after boot for caching purposes. The caches get wiped as you need more memory, but I wouldn't worry about bonobo-activation-server bogging you down. |
| 05:51.55 | karsten | cair0: Not that's a zero, not a letter oh. |
| 05:51.56 | jeff_ | will do zbrown |
| 05:51.58 | zeeble | WillySilly: #debian-kde |
| 05:51.59 | redduck666 | fedora has a command "rpm -q *package name*" is there any debian command that does the same? |
| 05:52.10 | jeff_ | oh ok well thanks i was just worried |
| 05:52.12 | emcee | redduck666: what does rpm -q do |
| 05:52.17 | zbrown | redduck666: apt-cache search <blah> |
| 05:52.18 | emcee | redduck666: why do you expect us to know? |
| 05:52.26 | cair0 | karsten: ah, looks like a 0 to me |
| 05:52.33 | mwilson | emcee: You don't expect him to tell anyone, do you? |
| 05:52.37 | zbrown | jeff_: don't worry bout high memory usage... its not being _used_ probly only a third of that is really being used |
| 05:52.37 | jeff_ | brb. |
| 05:52.44 | jeff_ | ahh |
| 05:52.45 | jim | redduck666: it's possible |
| 05:52.49 | stouset | redduck666: It would be nice to know what -q does? :-) |
| 05:52.51 | emcee | mwilson: might as well now in case he asks more fedora to debian questions |
| 05:52.52 | Jerub | redduck666: dpkg -L |
| 05:52.54 | redduck666 | sorry my bad, apt-cache search searches for debs, rpm -q shows what version of rpm you have |
| 05:52.59 | jeff_ | its just when i ran xfce in ubuntu, i noticed faster performance |
| 05:53.02 | jeff_ | than when i run it now |
| 05:53.10 | jeff_ | with the same settings |
| 05:53.13 | zbrown | redduck666: dpkg -l |
| 05:53.17 | benjamindees | redduck666, dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 05:53.17 | grepper | redduck666: dpkg -l | grep string |
| 05:53.19 | jim | redduck666: dpkg -s <packagename> |
| 05:53.25 | grepper | heh |
| 05:53.33 | stouset | dpkg -l <package> |
| 05:53.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 05:53.36 | benjamindees | heh, how many of you have even used rpm ? |
| 05:53.45 | simonrvn | jeff_: x.org is slightly faster. mostly because of some extensions that xfree doesn't have |
| 05:53.46 | phin | trying to build my first package :) |
| 05:53.58 | redduck666 | thanks guys |
| 05:54.01 | zeeble | dpkg -s is eq to rpm -q |
| 05:54.02 | dpkg | There is no record of a is eq to rpm -q package |
| 05:54.04 | zeeble | or closest. |
| 05:54.15 | stouset | jeff_: To add to simonrvn's comment, Debian won't have Xorg until soon after Sarge is released. |
| 05:54.23 | fooz | benjamindees, they love to trash rpm but they have no clue what it does |
| 05:54.29 | mwilson | jeff_: Then run xfce in Ubuntu. |
| 05:54.47 | zeeble | or xorg in debian? |
| 05:54.48 | jim | fooz: it's the equiv of dpkg |
| 05:54.50 | zbrown | jeff_: biggest thing is don't mess with it if it works. |
| 05:54.50 | stouset | benjamindees: I have :-) |
| 05:55.04 | zbrown | obviously you had better performance in xfce on ubuntu, so use that. |
| 05:55.06 | luulis | sl |
| 05:55.07 | jeff_ | ohh i see i see |
| 05:55.07 | N00b2Debian | sorry Karsten .. getting x: command not found |
| 05:55.21 | stouset | benjamindees: I've got nothing wrong with rpm. I prefer dpkg's messages to RPM's, but that's just personal preference. Yum, on the other hand, is a festering pile of crap. |
| 05:55.22 | tga | N00b2Debian: it's capital X |
| 05:55.23 | karsten | OT: DPL debate in 5 minutes. #debian-dpl-debate. Discussion: #debian-dpl-discuss. |
| 05:55.25 | simonrvn | fooz: it use cpio. 'nough said ;p |
| 05:55.27 | jeff_ | theres no way to run xorg in debian? |
| 05:55.27 | jim | zeeble: xorg won't be packaged officially until some time after sarge releases |
| 05:55.29 | simonrvn | uses* |
| 05:55.29 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Case matters. |
| 05:55.34 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'X' not 'x' |
| 05:55.44 | mwilson | jeff_: There's no reason to. |
| 05:55.46 | stouset | benjamindees: Glad they got something that works like apt, but I'll be damned if yum doesn't make me want to euthanize the developers :-\ |
| 05:55.46 | zbrown | jeff_: there is, but I doubt you'd wanna go through that trouble |
| 05:55.52 | zeeble | jim: sure. till then, unofficially. i did'nt mean xorg/official debian :) |
| 05:55.53 | benjamindees | stouset, heh @ yum |
| 05:55.55 | cair0 | karsten: the Or /var/log/XFree86.0.log command in vi still is giving me trouble |
| 05:55.57 | mrhemlock | can i have fries with that ? |
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| 05:56.02 | karsten | cair0: Describe. |
| 05:56.09 | zeeble | jim and that was to those who believe xorg is faster than xfree |
| 05:56.24 | cair0 | karsten: it's just writing a line in the file that says r /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:56.26 | jim | zeeble: you should always be able to get the source and build it |
| 05:56.29 | zbrown | stouset: hah, yum is the most worthless batch of python code I've ever seen in my life. I'm a python dev and can't stand it. I use apt on my servers at work |
| 05:56.40 | benjamindees | stouset, yum is a product of RH's nih syndrome |
| 05:56.41 | simonrvn | oh it's packaged, but not released ;) |
| 05:56.52 | jim | but if you do that, you're stuck with maintaining your copy of it :) |
| 05:56.54 | karsten | cair0: Try: <esc>0r <filename> |
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| 05:57.05 | zbrown | benjamindees: yum came outta some student at Duke IIRC ;) |
| 05:57.09 | calin | crap! |
| 05:57.12 | cair0 | karsten: 'O' is putting vi in insert mode |
| 05:57.15 | zbrown | calin: poo! |
| 05:57.25 | stouset | jim: is anyone packaging xorg currently, waiting for Sarge to be released? |
| 05:57.25 | karsten | cair0: *ZERO* not 'oh' |
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| 05:57.36 | calin | >.< I can't get my vid card working |
| 05:57.38 | calin | oh wait |
| 05:57.51 | zbrown | !do xorg |
| 05:57.55 | daww | I build a custom kernel and wonder if I can uncheck all modules under "Device driver > Graphic support" in xconfig if I install separately nvidia modules for my nvida card? |
| 05:58.07 | calin | zbrown: I know how to do all of that jazz |
| 05:58.15 | cair0 | karsten: in that case, '0r' isn't doing anything at all, and my computer just beeps at me when i try to type anything else |
| 05:58.15 | calin | i forgot to check if i built in support |
| 05:58.31 | stouset | daww: Try it. If it doesn't work, try the other way :-) |
| 05:58.40 | jim | stouset: dunno. but if I were to guess, and Branden's gonna do it, then he's not going to start any work until then, making sure the x in sarge works right |
| 05:58.51 | karsten | cair0: <esc>:0r <filename> |
| 05:58.51 | fooz | damn I hate compiler dependent software |
| 05:59.05 | jim | so if it happens that way, maybe xorg will (officially) be in etch |
| 05:59.06 | daww | stouset, =), you know, debian crashed when I'd tried nvidia one-liner |
| 05:59.06 | karsten | cair0: ...and after you're done, run 'vimtutor' a few times. |
| 05:59.47 | jim | daww: the entire machine, are you sure? |
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| 06:00.18 | daww | No but I'd get "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server. No core pointer. Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices" |
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| 06:00.34 | jim | daww: for example, you could not reach the machine from a remote using ssh? |
| 06:00.49 | N00b2Debian | Karsten .. ended up with blank screen there =( did I totally fubar my linux? |
| 06:00.53 | stouset | daww: Define crashed. |
| 06:00.53 | N00b2Debian | im back in xp ( |
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| 06:01.04 | cair0 | karsten: ok, got it pasted; http://channels.debian.net/paste/354 |
| 06:01.08 | stouset | daww: Lockup? Hard poweroff? Just didn't work? What? |
| 06:01.14 | jim | daww: so the x server wouldn't come up? |
| 06:01.15 | karsten | N00b2Debian: "blank" with a big 'X' and a checkerboard or herringbone pattern? |
| 06:01.18 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...that's X. |
| 06:01.24 | daww | did not crached, but XFree86 didn't start |
| 06:01.28 | N00b2Debian | nope .. it just went blank |
| 06:01.37 | karsten | N00b2Debian: <ctrl><alt><backspace> kills X. |
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| 06:01.56 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: and nothing gets fubared that quick. you just do the reconfigure again :) |
| 06:02.01 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Boot Linux. Check /var/log/XFree86.0.log. If you can't figure out what it says, paste it. |
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| 06:02.20 | mwilson | karsten: Having fun with him? |
| 06:02.25 | karsten | cair0: What kind of mouse do you have? |
| 06:02.32 | N00b2Debian | can you give me that command to reconfigure .. i need to write it down |
| 06:02.33 | Hayden | is ubuntu better than debian? |
| 06:02.34 | daww | I could see the nvidia screen for 1 sec then the screen did go back to the bash |
| 06:02.40 | deadcat | Hayden: yes. #ubuntu |
| 06:02.40 | mwilson | Hayden: Define "better". |
| 06:02.48 | cair0 | karsten: it's a keyboard clit, i'm on an IBM laptop |
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| 06:03.04 | Jerub | I hate those clits. |
| 06:03.08 | deadcat | cair0: clit mouse are the worst. |
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| 06:03.17 | Hayden | thats disgusting |
| 06:03.18 | daww | stouset, "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server. No core pointer. Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices", what is this meaning? |
| 06:03.21 | fooz | stupid code that works with -g and not without it.. |
| 06:03.33 | karsten | cair0: Um. is X starting or not at all? |
| 06:03.42 | cair0 | karsten: it's starting |
| 06:03.43 | cafuego | Hayden: What's disgusting? |
| 06:03.48 | karsten | cair0: OK. |
| 06:03.58 | deadcat | ibm X40 use clitmouse or touchpad? or both? |
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| 06:04.13 | cair0 | karsten: i think i ended it with a Ctrl-C, which might explain anything weird |
| 06:04.21 | karsten | cair0: paste /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:04.27 | cafuego | deadcat: pretty hard to buy a laptop without a touchpad these days |
| 06:04.28 | fooz | i love trackpoints.. trackpads severely piss me off |
| 06:04.34 | daww | stouset, I did everything correctly, except that I'd was running nvidia one-liner several times because it halted after m-a a-i... |
| 06:04.37 | deadcat | cafuego: but you know IBM. |
| 06:04.37 | nvz | clit mouse.. heh |
| 06:04.38 | cafuego | fooz: 180! |
| 06:04.43 | fooz | cafuego, ? |
| 06:04.49 | cafuego | fooz: <--> |
| 06:04.50 | fooz | pen computers are l33t too |
| 06:04.58 | cafuego | fooz: I have trackpoints and love trackpads |
| 06:05.03 | cafuego | s/have/hate/ |
| 06:05.09 | fooz | cafuego, fneh |
| 06:05.12 | nvz | damn I still got a headache. |
| 06:05.19 | fooz | cafuego, trackpads slow me down so much. maybe I've just never used a good one. |
| 06:05.26 | fooz | cafuego, the one on powerbook G3s is horrible |
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| 06:05.40 | cafuego | fooz: best one I've ever used was on a G3 powerbook |
| 06:05.44 | fooz | it's so slow. |
| 06:05.56 | cafuego | fooz: The powerbook, yes, it is. |
| 06:06.01 | fooz | :P |
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| 06:06.47 | cair0 | karsten: ok, got it pasted; http://channels.debian.net/paste/355 |
| 06:06.59 | fooz | cafuego, lies |
| 06:07.11 | benjamindees | would you all recommend the Debian 2.6.7 kernel for a nfs server? |
| 06:07.12 | cafuego | fooz: seriously |
| 06:07.14 | karsten | cair0: Got it. |
| 06:07.15 | deadcat | cair0: bootsplash on ibook? |
| 06:07.21 | fooz | cafuego, I agree on the slow part |
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| 06:07.32 | simonrvn | @bootsplash deadcat |
| 06:07.37 | cafuego | fooz: The iBook runs OSX though, not Debian. |
| 06:07.40 | fooz | i tried to Switch from a P3 500 to a Powerbook G3 333 and it was just too drastic |
| 06:07.40 | cair0 | deadcat: huh? |
| 06:07.44 | deadcat | simonrvn: nothing |
| 06:07.47 | fooz | it was like switching to a 486 lappy |
| 06:07.51 | karsten | cair0: Well, one problem is you've selected 800x600 display. Re-run dpkg-reconfigure and select a higher res. |
| 06:07.56 | deadcat | cair0: ah. not even ubuntu? (= |
| 06:08.05 | karsten | cair0: Have you hand-modified that file? |
| 06:08.21 | cair0 | karsten: the max res on this screen is 800x600 |
| 06:08.26 | cair0 | karsten: yes i have |
| 06:08.28 | cafuego | fooz: The problem is that the powerbooks require fbcon and thuse fb enabled on X too. makes the gfx sooo sloooow |
| 06:08.29 | karsten | cair0: OK, what's the problem then? |
| 06:08.42 | cair0 | karsten: it'd booting into 640x480 |
| 06:08.44 | fooz | geez, this app has a Makefile comment saying '-O6 generates invalid code!' and then directly below that it sets the -O6 flag |
| 06:08.47 | fooz | that's brilliant |
| 06:08.47 | karsten | cair0: I'm a tad confuzzed. |
| 06:08.50 | karsten | cair0: OK... |
| 06:09.04 | cafuego | fooz: haha, using Gentoo source, lamer! |
| 06:09.19 | simonrvn | @bootsplash deadcat |
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| 06:09.28 | karsten | cair0: What's your video card? 'lspci | grep -i vga' Paste one line here. |
| 06:10.11 | simonrvn | -O6 is crap anyway. it's like running -O3 |
| 06:10.27 | cair0 | 0000:00:03.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2093 [MagicGraph 128ZV] (rev 02) |
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| 06:10.48 | fooz | simonrvn, but -O3 works |
| 06:10.53 | fooz | for the same code |
| 06:11.07 | fooz | ..maybe.. I gotta rebuild the whole thing and see.. all kinds of shit is broken |
| 06:11.07 | karsten | cair0: Select 'neomagic' driver for that. |
| 06:11.18 | cafuego | fooz: What are you building? |
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| 06:11.23 | karsten | cair0: You're doing vesa, which is going to be piss-poor. |
| 06:11.26 | fooz | it's a commercial app :) not even supposed to be open source, but one release they forgot to erase the secret parts.. :) |
| 06:11.32 | cair0 | karsten: BUT, using the neomagic driver, i get a fucked screen |
| 06:11.40 | fooz | cafuego, Smalltalk/X |
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| 06:11.50 | karsten | cair0: Howso? |
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| 06:11.58 | cair0 | karsten: i.e. random lines of different color and thats it |
| 06:12.02 | stouset | Jonathan arrived. |
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| 06:12.19 | mrhemlock | fooz, Squeak ? |
| 06:12.21 | cafuego | fooz: maybe they use a non-gcc compiler, which copes with -O6 |
| 06:12.22 | cafuego | oh look! flying pig! |
| 06:12.27 | fooz | cafuego, no, they use gcc |
| 06:12.31 | fooz | mrhemlock, no. Smalltalk/X |
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| 06:13.01 | cafuego | Why can't I ever find an WinXP cd when I need one :-P |
| 06:13.04 | karsten | cair0: That sounds effed. |
| 06:13.09 | cair0 | karsten: and a hard-lock |
| 06:13.18 | emcee | cafuego: got FTP? |
| 06:13.19 | emcee | ;) |
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| 06:13.37 | cafuego | emcee: I don't want to have to reburn this iso AGAIN |
| 06:13.45 | emcee | ah |
| 06:13.48 | emcee | I know the feeling |
| 06:14.52 | karsten | cair0: Please try it again, with neomagic. If it hard locks, get /var/log/XFree86.0.log and paste again. That _should_ be your driver. |
| 06:15.11 | mwilson | karsten: What thinkpad does he have, anyway? |
| 06:15.11 | karsten | cair0: ...I'd also recommend setting all levels low. 8 bpp color, 800x600 res, 60 hz refresh. |
| 06:15.19 | karsten | mwilson: Not sure. |
| 06:15.26 | cafuego | #!%&*$*%#^ |
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| 06:15.32 | cair0 | karsten: how do you set the default resolution/depth? |
| 06:15.36 | mwilson | karsten: Not all thinkpads are neomagic... just old ones. |
| 06:15.40 | cafuego | This Lexx VCD isn't bootable <heh> |
| 06:15.42 | cair0 | mwilson: mine is |
| 06:15.44 | karsten | cair0: It's one of the configuration options. |
| 06:15.48 | karsten | cair0: What's your thinkpad model? |
| 06:15.57 | cair0 | karsten: 385CD |
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| 06:16.38 | jeff_ | when installing mplayer |
| 06:16.48 | cair0 | karsten: there was a page on linux-laptops that had a config for it, but it is long gone; i managed to get to the site via the waybackmachine or whatever from web.archive.org but the config was on an ftp site |
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| 06:17.11 | jeff_ | is it best to build from the source or install a .deb from marillat.free.fr |
| 06:17.17 | knapjack | Anyone know the history behind the default X11 root weave? |
| 06:17.29 | zeeble | jeff_ i use the one from marillat. |
| 06:17.35 | mwilson | Anyone know how to use Google? |
| 06:18.04 | mud | funny |
| 06:18.04 | karsten | mwilson: No, can you teach me? |
| 06:18.06 | jeff_ | and if i have a amd athlon which should i use: |
| 06:18.16 | jeff_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.16 | jeff_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.16 | jeff_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.17 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 06:18.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:18.28 | cafuego | jeff_: -k6 |
| 06:18.41 | cair0 | jeff_: k6 seems the logical choice |
| 06:18.45 | jeff_ | k thx |
| 06:18.49 | Hydroxide | mwilson: people only know Teoma, not Google. You're mired back in the 2000's or something |
| 06:18.55 | mud | good question |
| 06:19.02 | cair0 | jeff_: you could always compile it form source as well |
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| 06:19.28 | cafuego | Hydroxide: Pff. We've been using altavista for WEEKS now. |
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| 06:19.45 | calin | What's the most popular command line mp3 player? |
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| 06:19.53 | cafuego | calin: mpg321 |
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| 06:19.55 | simonrvn | cat |
| 06:19.55 | mud | i was wondering which kernel option for athlon-xp ... is (athlon/duron/k7) the right choice? |
| 06:19.58 | calin | thanks |
| 06:20.02 | cafuego | mud: yes |
| 06:20.04 | cair0 | ok, im going to go see if i can hardlock my system again; be back in a few |
| 06:20.04 | N00b2Debian | Hi Karsten .. when I rebooted into debian it came up and logged in just fine |
| 06:20.07 | karsten | cair0: http://evan.prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us/Dell-Latitude-XPi-P133ST-mini-HOWTO.html |
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| 06:20.21 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: with X? |
| 06:20.26 | N00b2Debian | yes |
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| 06:20.35 | N00b2Debian | in 1024 x 768 |
| 06:20.42 | zeeble | N00b2Debian: excellent :) |
| 06:20.42 | N00b2Debian | yippie |
| 06:20.55 | N00b2Debian | If I ever see you guys im buyin you a phat ass steak .... |
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| 06:21.09 | emcee | N00b2Debian: medium well, please |
| 06:21.11 | emcee | :D |
| 06:21.15 | emcee | heehee |
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| 06:21.30 | N00b2Debian | Karsten thanks for all your patience with me |
| 06:21.37 | karsten | N00b2Debian: NP. Status? |
| 06:21.40 | cafuego | N00b2Debian: Yuck. Filthy meat. |
| 06:21.49 | karsten | N00b2Debian: r0x0r! |
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| 06:21.53 | mud | cool.. i recompiled and now certain things are way slower when i install a program its super slow or opening firefox is slow but enemy territory runs fast any ideas why? |
| 06:22.04 | N00b2Debian | im up with 1024x768 .. but .. no sound .. I'm not going to worry about sound atm tho |
| 06:22.09 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Though *I* consider 1280x960 minimum acceptable.... |
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| 06:22.14 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Worry about that later. |
| 06:22.17 | N00b2Debian | not sure what sound card this is anyway |
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| 06:22.26 | N00b2Debian | u so rox |
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| 06:22.28 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'lspci | egrep '(sound|audio)' |
| 06:22.31 | cafuego | N00b2Debian: 'lspci' will tell you. |
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| 06:23.03 | fooz | heh |
| 06:23.03 | cafuego | !ops PI SPAM |
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| 06:23.52 | *** mode/#Debian [+bb *!*@82.101.163.23 *!*@212.80.250.202] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:23.59 | simonrvn | @ops heads up PI spam |
| 06:24.00 | mrhemlock | so long and thanx for the fish |
| 06:24.03 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: heads up PI spam |
| 06:24.10 | rob0 | Was that a cream pi in our face? |
| 06:24.11 | jm_ | hehe |
| 06:24.15 | simonrvn | fucking irssi |
| 06:24.27 | mwilson | What'd irssi do now? |
| 06:24.56 | cair0 | karsten: i either can't get to that site, or i'm typing the url wrong every time; can you maybe do a tinyurl on it? |
| 06:25.00 | cafuego | I do have to admin it's the least useless spam I've ever seen. |
| 06:25.17 | N00b2Debian | karsten when i did this lspci | egrep (sound|audio) I am at a > prompt |
| 06:25.18 | karsten | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 06:25.36 | karsten | N00b2Debian: You need quotes. <ctrl>-c to quit that. |
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| 06:26.05 | lolatwtc | wow |
| 06:26.07 | cair0 | wtf is this pi crap |
| 06:26.13 | zeeble | no idea. |
| 06:26.18 | karsten | !ops spam |
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| 06:26.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spam |
| 06:26.25 | zeeble | i thought only eve andersson was stuck on pi. |
| 06:26.29 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 06:26.30 | cafuego | cair0: It's the ratio bewteen a circle's radio and circumference in our universe. |
| 06:26.34 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:26.35 | *** mode/#Debian [-b *!*@*] by debhelper |
| 06:26.42 | cafuego | s/radio/radius/ |
| 06:26.42 | zeeble | omg |
| 06:26.44 | helix | whoa, dondelelcaro :) |
| 06:26.46 | nvashi | well can they be booted pls |
| 06:26.48 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 06:26.53 | cair0 | cafuego: no, turns out i just misspelled vi |
| 06:27.03 | *** mode/#Debian [+bb *!*@host87.200-117-151.telecom.net.ar *!*@218.77.244.58] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:27.21 | cafuego | I wonder if the pi spammer is ideafix |
| 06:27.24 | dondelelcaro | sorry, left before autobleh ran, and autobleh decided to ban everyone |
| 06:27.32 | karsten | cafuego: Who's ideafix? |
| 06:27.39 | mwilson | A moron. |
| 06:27.41 | nvashi | np |
| 06:27.41 | fooz | my alter ego! ahaha |
| 06:27.47 | N00b2Debian | he was being really mean earlier today |
| 06:27.57 | N00b2Debian | I didnt want to ask any questions .. lol |
| 06:27.59 | cafuego | karsten: yesterday's troll, who was alo online earlier today (but not trolling at that time) |
| 06:27.59 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. |
| 06:28.02 | gravity | Thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 06:28.13 | cafuego | fooz: you rah00 |
| 06:28.55 | cafuego | Can debhelper make the channel +m if 5 or more 8-char nicks join within a second or two of eachother? |
| 06:29.07 | cair0 | karsten: can't get to the link you sent ne |
| 06:29.14 | tarheelcoxn | mwilson: depends on your time zone |
| 06:29.22 | mwilson | PST8PDT |
| 06:29.22 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it does at a certain threshold... I forget exactly what it is, though |
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| 06:29.42 | bob2 | bah |
| 06:29.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: for ANY size nicks? Coz these dumb-ass bots ALWAYS go for 8 chars. |
| 06:30.00 | tarheelcoxn | mwilson: depends on the running time of _Incredibles_ |
| 06:30.00 | karsten | cafuego: Sec. |
| 06:30.03 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: maybe ban any 8-char nick... |
| 06:30.15 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, probably... I'll have to look at that section of code again... busy with the dpl debate right now, though |
| 06:30.21 | karsten | mwilson: Elastigirl in bed.... |
| 06:30.29 | nvashi | they just did the g#gentoo area a few minutes ago as well |
| 06:30.34 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Just tell 'em to include nvidia. |
| 06:30.42 | karsten | nvashi: Yeah, it's multiple channels, mostly handled. |
| 06:30.52 | N00b2Debian | Karsten bash: syntax error near unexpected token `sound' |
| 06:31.04 | mrhemlock | <<< ty god i have 9 |
| 06:31.08 | karsten | N00b2Debian: lspci | egrep '(sound|audio)' |
| 06:31.09 | cafuego | nvashi: #gentoo can probably do with some mathematical education, though. |
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| 06:31.25 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Quotes required. '(' and ')' are special to shell. |
| 06:31.25 | zeeble | hehe |
| 06:31.26 | nvashi | heh |
| 06:31.46 | N00b2Debian | that is just too cool |
| 06:32.20 | N00b2Debian | can i print out this page for later use somehow? |
| 06:32.33 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What page? |
| 06:32.35 | Guerin | N00b2Debian: just print out man bash |
| 06:32.40 | Guerin | or the abs guide |
| 06:32.51 | Guerin | it's an outstanding thing to have sitting by your computer |
| 06:32.58 | Guerin | or in your bathroom |
| 06:33.11 | tarheelcoxn | or on a second computer |
| 06:33.20 | cafuego | or not |
| 06:33.32 | zeeble | clear |
| 06:33.32 | karsten | cair0: Yeah, looks like the site's down. None of the usual suspects are working.... |
| 06:33.50 | mrhemlock | thinks the bathroom is better place |
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| 06:34.11 | cafuego | (no, not to wipe) |
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| 06:34.47 | nvashi | I vote for the bathroom as well cause learnung stuff well occupied is great |
| 06:35.38 | nvashi | and no one will bother you .. :) |
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| 06:36.09 | Guerin | it's something about being in asia... |
| 06:36.10 | nvashi | :) |
| 06:36.13 | karsten | Guerin: No comment. |
| 06:36.17 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 06:36.22 | Guerin | really |
| 06:36.30 | mwilson | karsten: She's married with three kids. |
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| 06:37.13 | deadcat | Guerin: which part of asia? |
| 06:37.20 | karsten | cafuego: You might try 'svga' driver. though I _swear_ neomagic _should_ work. |
| 06:37.24 | karsten | mwilson: ?? |
| 06:37.58 | mwilson | karsten: Elastigirl is married with three kids. |
| 06:38.05 | cafuego | karsten: I could, but I'm sure NEITHER will work for me. |
| 06:38.17 | karsten | mwilson: Why do you think they call her that? |
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| 06:38.32 | N00b2Debian | hmm my printing doesnt seem to work .. I would like to get that working screw the sound |
| 06:38.35 | karsten | cafuego: Ah. Care to swap X configs with cair0 ? |
| 06:38.36 | N00b2Debian | can you help with that? |
| 06:38.41 | karsten | cafuego: ...what does work? |
| 06:38.50 | karsten | N00b2Debian: What's your printer and what's it connected to? |
| 06:39.00 | cafuego | karsten: hitting tab until the right nick appears does work. |
| 06:39.02 | Hanchampyury | I`m installed debian sarge 2.6, but the network card do not was detect during the installation, now, with modprob I type: modprobe 8139too .. but nothing happens.. |
| 06:39.06 | N00b2Debian | lexmark lazer printer connected to lpt1 |
| 06:39.08 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...eg: make, model, parport, USB, ethernet. |
| 06:39.24 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 06:39.34 | cafuego | N00b2Debian: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd; point a web browser at http://localhost:631/ |
| 06:39.34 | N00b2Debian | I seem to remember seeing it during the loading of all the text when the system boots.. wonder why its not working |
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| 06:39.45 | karsten | cair0: You might try 'svga' driver. though I _swear_ neomagic _should_ work. |
| 06:40.00 | deadcat | someone try to compile this http://www.bootsplash.de/files/splashutils/bootsplash-3.2.tar.bz2 on a ppc for me please. |
| 06:40.09 | karsten | cafuego: Just FYI, I try to tab-complete in vim now. Drives me nuts. |
| 06:40.11 | cafuego | N00b2Debian: linux needs a print server on the machine, otherwise it can't talk to the printer. CUPS is such a system. |
| 06:40.31 | cafuego | karsten: <heh> You reckon there's a tab completion thing for emacs? |
| 06:41.03 | karsten | cafuego: Well, OOo has sort of antitab completion. It completes words for you until you wave a rubber chicken for it to stop. |
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| 06:41.30 | cair0 | karsten: well i managed to get the neomagic driver working, |
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| 06:41.51 | cafuego | karsten: That would be why she's called Elastigirl, then. The rubber chicken! |
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| 06:42.19 | cair0 | karsten: i had to add some options to the screen section; but the neomagic driver does work, only problem is it is still going straight to 640x480 |
| 06:42.20 | karsten | cair0: So much the better, thansk for sharing. |
| 06:42.51 | karsten | cafuego: Um. I'm _not_ sure I want to follow that train of thought off the (bed)rails |
| 06:42.52 | TNKS | I'm wondering, make-kpkg has some options related to compiling modules the "Debian way," but most of the external-source modules I compile have a pretty clean Makefile that's standalone. Running "make install" isn't really a hassle. Are there modules where make-kpkg is the better option? |
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| 06:43.14 | bob2 | TNKS: all of them, since then you get a .deb which is easily removable/upgradable |
| 06:43.15 | b33r | why would i be getting "make: warning: file 'makefile.org' has modification time 1.7e+-7s in the future? |
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| 06:43.20 | karsten | TNKS: make-kpkg debianizes the results. |
| 06:43.28 | karsten | TNKS: You can manage your output w/ apt. |
| 06:43.45 | bob2 | b33r: can you guess? |
| 06:43.50 | N00b2Debian | Karsten I get :cupsys-bsd is already the newest version. |
| 06:43.54 | b33r | j= |
| 06:43.54 | karsten | b33r: make uses timestamps to resolve dependencies. |
| 06:43.55 | cair0 | karsten: in fact, greping the log file, it says i have insufficient memory to run in 800x600; i have a feeling it's because it's trying to run a color depth of 24 bit; is there anyway to make it start in 16 or 8 bit color? |
| 06:44.03 | karsten | N00b2Debian: OK. Then you're up to date on bits of that. |
| 06:44.18 | b33r | well i just did ./config and it is giving me that |
| 06:44.26 | TNKS | that's true, but in that case, what's the difference between using make-kpkg and using checkinstall? |
| 06:44.32 | Guerin | cair0: neomagic256? |
| 06:44.34 | karsten | cair0: Yes. Select 16 bit color. 15 sometimes works, but some apps may give you *really* odd colors (KDE's login manager does, frex). |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | what resolution do you want? |
| 06:44.41 | b33r | its doing it for more than 1 package |
| 06:44.42 | karsten | b33r: 'touch' the file. |
| 06:45.06 | karsten | b33r: touch the entire tree then, and make clean. |
| 06:45.08 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:45.13 | cair0 | karsten: i'm not exactly sure how to 'select' 16 bit color, as i just use the startx script |
| 06:45.16 | deadcat | make mrproper |
| 06:45.26 | Guerin | cair0: my working neomagic256 800x600 config |
| 06:45.28 | karsten | cair0: startx <client options> -- -bpp 16 |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | 2.5MB video ram is enough to do 8x6x24 |
| 06:45.51 | karsten | cair0: ...you can also rerun the config tool and specify your default color depth when you've found a good one. |
| 06:46.48 | b33r | I dont understand why you have to touch a file before you can ./config it |
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| 06:47.09 | cair0 | karsten: what is the name of the config tool? i've tried dexconfig but it doesn't seem to be interactive |
| 06:47.22 | Guerin | can't ./config what don't exist |
| 06:47.35 | b33r | well the dir does exist |
| 06:47.42 | jpeg | a |
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| 06:48.44 | N00b2Debian | Karsten I am trying to add a printer .. asking for login .. it didnt want my user/pwd .. it didnt take my admin one .. either.. what is ist asking? |
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| 06:49.11 | karsten | b33r: Well, if your timestamps are all future dates, 'touch' sets 'em to _now_. |
| 06:49.11 | karsten | b33r: man touch. |
| 06:49.11 | karsten | b33r: Likely you got an archive from someone with a fscked system clock. |
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| 06:49.55 | TNKS | I don't exactly know how Debian packages work, but it seems that making a Debian package from a module's Makefile might be non-trivial. Does make-kpkg use the same approach as checkinstall? |
| 06:49.58 | cat | hey i got a question if i installed Debian on my slave hd? can it reconized fbsd on my master hd/ |
| 06:50.03 | b33r | karsten: i jsut downloded openssl |
| 06:50.14 | b33r | and am trying to compile it |
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| 06:50.38 | jm_ | TNKS: tried apt-cache show module-assistant? |
| 06:50.53 | cat | can Debian reconized fbsd on my master hd if i installed Debian on my slave? |
| 06:50.54 | karsten | brb |
| 06:50.56 | TNKS | jm_, not yet. doing it now. |
| 06:51.01 | Delicates | can someone think of why an Ethernet interface on a Linux box would spew out a few thousand ARP requests in one second? |
| 06:51.33 | cat | brb |
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| 06:52.32 | karsten | cair0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:52.35 | karsten | cair0: ...still on X? |
| 06:52.48 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Web config? Or what? |
| 06:53.12 | N00b2Debian | yes its a web config window .. asking me for my user and pw ... but it didnt take any |
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| 06:54.00 | N00b2Debian | I clicked add printer and its asking me to login |
| 06:54.13 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Root password. |
| 06:54.23 | karsten | N00b2Debian: CUPS config is done as root. |
| 06:54.41 | N00b2Debian | administrator as the username? |
| 06:54.57 | karsten | N00b2Debian: 'root' |
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| 06:56.45 | tga | any idea what set of options would cause a samba server would be inaccessible by name and it would also mess up machine browsing in a win network? |
| 06:56.59 | karsten | tga: A bad config. |
| 06:57.05 | nagual | how do i match a numeric range with regexp? (like 1000 - 43563) |
| 06:57.06 | karsten | tga: your logfiles will be of some use. |
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| 06:57.36 | tga | karsten: I don't see anything wrong in the logs and I already tried removing smb.conf and creating a basic one with swat, but it didn't help |
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| 06:57.42 | karsten | nagual: Textually. Otherwise test the value directly. |
| 06:57.55 | TNKS | Can somebody help me confirm that module-assistant is meant only for Debian-provided module-source compilation, and not completely third-party modules? |
| 06:58.07 | karsten | tga: client may offer some hints as to what's going on. |
| 06:58.15 | TNKS | and probably for that matter make-kpkg as well. |
| 06:58.17 | daww | How can I echo to a existing file and write over everything except the 2 first line? |
| 06:58.23 | nagual | karsten: care to give me an example or point me towards a specific documentation? |
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| 06:58.40 | tga | karsten: I haven't been able to find any meaningful logs in windows |
| 06:59.19 | karsten | nagual: More specifics on what you're doing would help. 'read x; if [ test $x -ge 1000 -a $x -le 43563 ]; <list>; fi' |
| 06:59.24 | tga | karsten: the really annoying part is that opening a file off a samba share takes longer than normal, probably because it tries to do some name lookup |
| 06:59.30 | karsten | tga: Um. You're running a Samba server? |
| 06:59.30 | TNKS | for instance, my laptop uses the ipw2200 driver, which is compiled as a module, but is provided by those guys and installed with a very simple Makefile. Will make-kpkg barf if your store this project in /usr/src/modules? |
| 07:00.01 | karsten | nagual: Double check that 'test' expression, I think the and operator's wrong. |
| 07:00.15 | tga | karsten: yes, with win xp and win2k clients |
| 07:00.28 | karsten | TNKS: No, it won't barf, but you may overwrite the module in a subsequent upgrade. |
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| 07:01.04 | b33r | ok so what if i touch a whole dir and am still getting time probs? |
| 07:01.15 | karsten | tga: I'm not running Samba ATM, but there's a set of logs, you want to see which if any have changed. Authentication errors can be an issue. WINS/DNS resolution also. |
| 07:01.32 | karsten | b33r: How'd you touch the whole dir? |
| 07:01.35 | tga | karsten: WINS/DNS sounds more like it |
| 07:01.41 | b33r | touch /openssl-xxx |
| 07:01.44 | nagual | ok. thanks a bunch karsten. |
| 07:01.50 | karsten | nagual: NP |
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| 07:02.19 | b33r | getting a bunch of time is skewed erros |
| 07:02.22 | karsten | tga: One I've seen is where a host has different entries or multiple entries. IIRC WINS takes precedence. |
| 07:02.28 | karsten | b33r: Specific to a given file? |
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| 07:02.38 | b33r | hmmm leme check again |
| 07:02.44 | karsten | b33r: ls -l and mess with your time format to see atime/ctime |
| 07:02.51 | tga | karsten: thing is I'm not using WINS (or know much about it for that matter) |
| 07:02.58 | jeff_ | what is supposed to be in /opt |
| 07:03.05 | karsten | b33r: Another option is FS damage, but that's relatively unlikely. |
| 07:03.13 | karsten | jeff_: Optional stuff. |
| 07:03.20 | b33r | well i am on debian ppc if that makes a difference |
| 07:03.30 | karsten | jeff_: I generally 'mkdir /usr/local/opt; ln -s /usr/local/opt /opt' myself. |
| 07:03.30 | blahdeblah | jeff_: Nothing by default |
| 07:03.34 | jeff_ | is it mssed up if i copyed azureus to /opt |
| 07:03.48 | jeff_ | insted of /opt/azurues |
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| 07:04.16 | karsten | jeff_: /opt is for locally-managed (non-Debian) optional packages. Generally larger software suites. Traditionally, large, ill-behaved, third-party SW like Oracle, SAS, SAP, etc. |
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| 07:04.38 | jeff_ | will it be ok |
| 07:04.40 | karsten | jeff_: Um. I'd put that in its own subdir of opt. |
| 07:04.52 | jeff_ | did i over run anything in opt |
| 07:05.02 | karsten | jeff_: Organizing your directory tree is for _your_ convenience, FYI. |
| 07:05.10 | karsten | jeff_: I really can't answer that for you. |
| 07:05.24 | N00b2Debian | Karsten: you win again |
| 07:05.31 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ?? |
| 07:05.37 | N00b2Debian | prints just great |
| 07:05.42 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Score! |
| 07:05.46 | jeff_ | karsten, if i did mv azureus/ /opt/ |
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| 07:06.01 | jeff_ | would it have overran stuff already in /opt/ |
| 07:06.12 | karsten | jeff_: s/overran/overwritten/ |
| 07:06.28 | karsten | jeff_: Only if the names were the same. Had you put anything in /opt previously? |
| 07:06.28 | blahdeblah | jeff_: Only if /opt/azureus already existed |
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| 07:06.46 | jeff_ | nope "i" didnt put anything in it |
| 07:06.52 | zeeble | you want to mv azureus /opt, or azureus /opt/azureus ? |
| 07:06.54 | jeff_ | just wanted to make sure i didnt break the system |
| 07:06.58 | karsten | jeff_: ls /opt. What's there? Just one directory, 'azureus'? Or a mess of stuff? |
| 07:06.58 | zeeble | do the latter. |
| 07:07.06 | b33r | karsten: its just the makefile that is giving me time probs, even after i touch it |
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| 07:07.10 | Guerin | just delete all of opt |
| 07:07.14 | jeff_ | no in the opt directory are the azarez opts |
| 07:07.21 | Guerin | you clearly have no fucking idea what's in there anyhow |
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| 07:07.29 | karsten | b33r: paste sample (30 lines or fewer) to #flood |
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| 07:07.38 | b33r | ok |
| 07:07.40 | streetbmx | my screen goes black then i try to restart x/logout/switch between consoles with fglrx driver. can anyone help, please? |
| 07:07.59 | jair_11 | I was getting this result on my FTP server checking status: |
| 07:08.00 | karsten | streetbmx: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 07:08.00 | jeff_ | no in the opt directory are the azarez files |
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| 07:08.08 | jeff_ | yes i have no fuckin clue what was in opt |
| 07:08.19 | karsten | jeff_: What's your native language? |
| 07:08.22 | daww | Is it possible with echo to overwrite lines in a file except specific ones? |
| 07:08.27 | jeff_ | engrish :( |
| 07:08.37 | jm_ | daww: no |
| 07:08.37 | streetbmx | xorg |
| 07:08.40 | karsten | daww: sed's useful for that. |
| 07:08.57 | N00b2Debian | =) |
| 07:09.00 | karsten | daww: sed -i will rewrite in place. |
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| 07:09.11 | jeff_ | lol ok so a mv /azerues /opt would only overwrite things in /opt that already existed under that name riiight |
| 07:09.12 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Wipe that grin off your face. |
| 07:09.14 | daww | karsten, ok, then man sed |
| 07:09.15 | b33r | ok i flooded flood |
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| 07:09.26 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 07:09.26 | dpkg | [sed cheats] see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 07:09.32 | streuner | streetbmx: xorg, you know that xorg isn't in debian, right? |
| 07:09.39 | jair_11 | I was running this command on the konsole: [root@indiana noip-2.1.1]# netstat -a|grep ftp |
| 07:09.59 | streetbmx | err, im on ubuntu |
| 07:10.09 | Nwallins | heh |
| 07:10.11 | jair_11 | and I get this output: tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN |
| 07:10.31 | Guerin | !nondeb ubuntu |
| 07:10.32 | dpkg | Go to channel #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. If ubuntu were Debian, it would be called Debian and not ubuntu. |
| 07:10.39 | streuner | streetbmx: install debian or #j #ubuntu |
| 07:10.46 | jair_11 | and this line: tcp 1 1 indiana.localdomain:33815 ftp.esat.net:http LAST_ACK |
| 07:11.02 | streetbmx | wow |
| 07:11.05 | Coke | shouldn't it be "if ubuntu _was_ Debian" |
| 07:11.35 | streetbmx | no one in ubuntu is any help |
| 07:11.40 | cafuego | !factinfo cmd: nondeb (.*?) |
| 07:11.41 | dpkg | CMD: nondeb (.*?) -- created by cafuego <~cafuego@coffee.creativecontingencies.com> at Mon Apr 26 01:53:34 2004 (324 days); it has been requested once, last by ninja_ at Thu May 20 12:51:15 2004. |
| 07:11.42 | bob2 | Coke: depends where you are |
| 07:11.55 | bob2 | streetbmx: then ask on the ubuntu user list |
| 07:11.59 | bob2 | x.org is off-topic here |
| 07:12.02 | Coke | Has anybody tried Ubuntu? Is there any reason for anybody to use a Debian-based dist that isn't Debian? |
| 07:12.09 | bob2 | binary only drivers with it, doubly so |
| 07:12.13 | jeff_ | whats diff between motif and gtk |
| 07:12.22 | Coke | bob2: really? how's that? |
| 07:12.23 | bob2 | jeff_: motif is shit and ugly |
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| 07:12.30 | cafuego | jeff_: Couple of thousand dollars |
| 07:12.30 | bob2 | Coke: neither are in Debian |
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| 07:12.38 | jeff_ | lol |
| 07:12.40 | zeeble | jeff_ different toolkits. outwardly, they look different. |
| 07:12.44 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 07:12.44 | dpkg | RedHat rocks! |
| 07:12.45 | Coke | jeff_: sort of like the difference between BMW and Mercedes |
| 07:12.47 | cafuego | motif is payware |
| 07:13.07 | jeff_ | motif is x native or does it use certain packages |
| 07:13.11 | Coke | bob2: what do you mean? he/she/it was, no? |
| 07:13.18 | jeff_ | well im not really sure how to word that question |
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| 07:13.27 | gravity | That question really didn't make any sense |
| 07:13.28 | Coke | jeff_: x native? |
| 07:13.32 | bob2 | jeff_: no, it's not included with X |
| 07:13.39 | jeff_ | lol im asking what would be better preformance |
| 07:13.40 | bob2 | jeff_: motif is an external non-Free library |
| 07:13.49 | jeff_ | but i guess its a dumb one |
| 07:13.54 | bob2 | Coke: streetbmx? no. |
| 07:14.00 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 07:14.11 | gravity | jeff_: lesstif is the Free motif clone that's in Debian |
| 07:14.21 | streetbmx | ? |
| 07:14.35 | jeff_ | which is less taxing on system resources :) |
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| 07:14.56 | zeeble | jeff_ what exactly do you want to install/run? |
| 07:15.03 | cafuego | Coke: I run ubuntu on my desktop box. The reason is that Debian's AMD64 mirror is crap. |
| 07:15.04 | jeff_ | azureus |
| 07:15.17 | zeeble | jeff_ get the gtk2 one. |
| 07:15.23 | starfish_ | i newly installed sarge on an amd computer and installed kde and the desktop is grainy looking any suggestions? |
| 07:15.26 | jeff_ | k thx |
| 07:15.31 | zeeble | jeff_ yuo can apt-get azureus too. |
| 07:15.34 | themusicgod1 | Is there a way to allow clients to connect to an X server through xhost when the X server is spawned by kdm? |
| 07:15.38 | streuner | cafuego: hm, why not just help to solve that problem then? |
| 07:15.39 | zeeble | jeff_ in unstable i think. |
| 07:15.42 | jeff_ | oh ok |
| 07:16.01 | zeeble | and that installs the gtk2 version. |
| 07:16.02 | Coke | bob2: no, I wanted you to teach me the correct English for the "if debian were ubuntu". nevermind. :) |
| 07:16.04 | jeff_ | elexcent |
| 07:16.11 | jm_ | themusicgod1: that depends on where your clients are (local, remote) - but in general, of course it is |
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| 07:16.18 | bob2 | Coke: oh. it depends on if you're in england or the US, aiui |
| 07:16.19 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 07:16.26 | Coke | cafuego: oh, so Ubuntu has better arch support for ia64? |
| 07:16.27 | jeff_ | what are some faster mirrors for ftp.debian.org |
| 07:16.30 | Guerin | jonathan walther is going for dpl |
| 07:16.38 | Guerin | freakshow |
| 07:16.39 | cafuego | streuner: Coz I'm in #debian, where Debian is on topic, not Ubuntu and coz I don't use fglrx. |
| 07:16.48 | Coke | bob2: who uses what? I can't make "if ubunutu were" because it is an "it" so it should be was? |
| 07:17.02 | Guerin | jeff_: ftp.kr.d.o is really fast |
| 07:17.09 | Guerin | jeff_: i get >700k/s |
| 07:17.19 | jeff_ | it has the same files as ftp.debian.org? thanks |
| 07:17.28 | streetbmx | is xorg really not in any debian repositories? |
| 07:17.35 | streuner | cafuego: heh? |
| 07:17.36 | themusicgod1 | jm remote |
| 07:17.39 | Guerin | jeff_: in fact (amazingly) there's probably one for YOUR country too |
| 07:17.46 | zeeble | jeff_ apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 07:17.53 | Guerin | !topicbadger streetbmx |
| 07:17.54 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that streetbmx didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 07:17.59 | streuner | cafuego: scroll up and see what you just said |
| 07:18.03 | zeeble | jeff_ and then run netselect-apt it will find and tell you a faster mirror. |
| 07:18.14 | bob2 | streuner: /topic |
| 07:18.17 | bob2 | bah |
| 07:18.17 | streetbmx | christ |
| 07:18.23 | jeff_ | thats swell |
| 07:18.30 | cafuego | Coke: I'm not saying it's ebtter, i'm justs aying what right before I switched I was unable to fetch updated from alioth at over 5Kb/sec |
| 07:18.33 | karsten | b33r: Did you touch your makefile? |
| 07:18.49 | cafuego | Coke: For now, it seems to be working fine. |
| 07:18.49 | karsten | b33r: *that* is the file that has the odd timestamp. |
| 07:19.05 | zeeble | Guerin: what's the fastest sort of connections you can get for home in kr? for a reasonable $50/month? |
| 07:19.09 | jm_ | themusicgod1: you need to have X server accept TCP/IP connections for that to work |
| 07:19.10 | b33r | yes i did karsten, but it is saying that the file is from the future |
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| 07:19.38 | Coke | cafuego: I was just wondering why Ubuntu exists when there is Debian. And the same goes for the rest of the Debian-based ones. |
| 07:19.49 | karsten | themusicgod1: How remote? Local LAN? Note that X isn't a secure protocol. |
| 07:20.00 | Guerin | zeeble: I've seen up to 53megabit |
| 07:20.04 | themusicgod1 | karrot-x: local LAN, say |
| 07:20.05 | karsten | themusicgod1: However, that said, look in /etc/kde[23]/kdm/ |
| 07:20.07 | cafuego | streetbmx: even IF xorg were in debian, you would STILL be using ubuntu, so it would STILL not be on topci here. |
| 07:20.13 | Guerin | zeeble: I think that was a bit over $50/mo though |
| 07:20.13 | streuner | Coke: We don't need any distro-war fucking discussion |
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| 07:20.19 | karsten | themusicgod1: karsten, not karrot-x |
| 07:20.21 | Guerin | zeeble: my 24 megabit was ~$30 |
| 07:20.22 | cafuego | Coke: Ubuntu maintainers seem tow ant to have a debian based gnome-oriented up-to-date desktop distro. |
| 07:20.23 | zeeble | Guerin: from home?!! wowow |
| 07:20.27 | nagual | garrrrrrrrrrr. its bloody annoying that windows never does exactly what you want it to. |
| 07:20.31 | cafuego | Coke: Seeing as that's what i want to run... |
| 07:20.38 | insmod | anyone have the problem of xcfe4 turning the bacground black and not allowing control settings to run |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin | zeeble: yeah. |
| 07:20.43 | karsten | themusicgod1: There's an option in there, KDE's got it's own warped syntax. kdmrc is the file. |
| 07:20.51 | streetbmx | thats cold |
| 07:20.56 | zeeble | Guerin: i pay about $35/mo for a dialup plan here. *ugh* |
| 07:21.02 | Guerin | zeeble: $US? |
| 07:21.06 | Jerub | insmod: I've seen nautilus run its own desktop manager over the xfce one. |
| 07:21.07 | cafuego | streetbmx: truth hurts, eh? |
| 07:21.11 | zeeble | Guerin: equivalent. In India. |
| 07:21.14 | nagual | i get 8/.768 for ~ euro :) |
| 07:21.27 | Guerin | zeeble: pp-equivalent, or currency equivalent? |
| 07:21.28 | Jerub | I pay around 50 USD for 10gig a month in .au |
| 07:21.30 | Coke | cafuego: yeah, I've noticed lately that stability isn't as important as having the latest stuff for many. |
| 07:21.35 | b33r | what do you guys normall do when your ./configures error out due to package absence, and apt-get doesnt have it?s |
| 07:21.37 | jeff_ | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 07:21.37 | jeff_ | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 07:21.37 | karsten | themusicgod1: In the [XDMCP] section, there's a line: Enable=false |
| 07:21.40 | zeeble | Guerin: currency equivalent. |
| 07:21.40 | Jerub | its cable at 10mbit/128kbit. |
| 07:21.45 | Guerin | zeeble: ! |
| 07:21.49 | Guerin | that's insane |
| 07:21.49 | karsten | themusicgod1: Change 'false' to, say, its opposite. |
| 07:21.49 | zeeble | Guerin: yeah. |
| 07:21.51 | Coke | streuner: there's no need to get defensive, there is no ofence. |
| 07:21.54 | bob2 | b33r: find a less useless piece of software |
| 07:22.00 | bob2 | most everything useful is in Debian already |
| 07:22.01 | cafuego | Coke: *shrug* I can always downgrade a package if it turns out to not be stable, that's not much of an issue for me. |
| 07:22.06 | karsten | themusicgod1: ...and /etc/init.d/kdm reload |
| 07:22.08 | b33r | damn... i thought bitchx was a good client :P |
| 07:22.14 | cafuego | Coke: now on my *servers* I run Debian ;-) |
| 07:22.16 | bob2 | b33r: no, it's shit |
| 07:22.19 | bob2 | b33r: also, it's in Debian |
| 07:22.20 | insmod | Jerub: no it works but then i relog in and it doesn't -- so i del .xfce4 set it up and it works relog in and back to prob |
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| 07:22.25 | karsten | b33r: Yeah, and you thought b33r was a good nick. |
| 07:22.25 | bob2 | b33r: and so is everything it needs to build |
| 07:22.26 | zeeble | Guerin: blah. i know. available DSL is about the same. with a 750MB/month limit. and the b/w is 256kbps *roll eyes* |
| 07:22.33 | Jerub | insmod: okay, never seen that. |
| 07:22.34 | b33r | im on debianppc and its not |
| 07:22.36 | cafuego | b33r: When bob2 says 'less useless' he doesn't mean x-chat. |
| 07:22.39 | b33r | i did a netinst |
| 07:22.47 | bob2 | b33r: irssi-text 4 eva. |
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| 07:22.52 | Jerub | zeeble: wow. I didn't know there were places worse than australia. |
| 07:22.54 | Guerin | zeeble: i'd rather have unlimited dialup than that |
| 07:22.55 | b33r | bah irssi |
| 07:23.00 | cafuego | zeeble: bloody hell! |
| 07:23.01 | Jerub | irssi-text rules. |
| 07:23.09 | Guerin | heaps of places are worse than australia for internet |
| 07:23.10 | b33r | what can it do that bitchx cant? |
| 07:23.12 | cafuego | !start an irc client war |
| 07:23.12 | dpkg | pirch is crap |
| 07:23.16 | Coke | cafuego: yep. I'm running Lunar right now. I don't mind a few things segfaulting every now and then, but I'm so spartan and uptime-oriented that I don't mind sarge being two months behind. |
| 07:23.17 | cafuego | b33r: "not suck" |
| 07:23.17 | bob2 | b33r: be useful |
| 07:23.18 | Guerin | b33r: not be crap |
| 07:23.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:23.24 | insmod | Jerub: xfce was so great why did they change it -- gah -- thank god i still have xfce 3 on here |
| 07:23.25 | zeeble | Jerub: hehe. go and hug telstra right now :p |
| 07:23.37 | Guerin | insmod: it's not designed to be like that |
| 07:23.41 | Jerub | insmod: I've been using xfce4 for years. I've never had that problem. |
| 07:23.41 | cafuego | Interndoe will give me ADSL2 in Q3/2005 :-) |
| 07:23.43 | b33r | well i cant get irssi or bitchx to compile so i really dont have room to talk |
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| 07:23.52 | Jerub | cafuego: bastard. |
| 07:23.54 | Guerin | !wayc |
| 07:23.54 | jeff_ | what do i need to edit in my firewall for netselect to work? |
| 07:23.59 | cafuego | b33r: Who said anything about compiling? Apt-get install it! |
| 07:24.00 | Guerin | !wayc b33r |
| 07:24.00 | mac_ | why won't M-{ or C-_ work in emacs after "loadkeys dvorak" in the console?? (they work fine with "loadkey us"...) |
| 07:24.01 | dpkg | b33r: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 07:24.05 | Jerub | b33r: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 07:24.17 | Guerin | mac_: #emacs |
| 07:24.20 | b33r | because compiling is so --- new |
| 07:24.26 | b33r | im a windows tard |
| 07:24.27 | Guerin | s/new/gay/ |
| 07:24.29 | b33r | if you cant tell |
| 07:24.31 | Guerin | (TM) |
| 07:24.33 | zeeble | jeff_ umm, all netselct-apt does is get a page from debian.org via http and then run tests on the URLS on it. |
| 07:24.35 | cafuego | b33r: The word you're looking for is "pointless" |
| 07:24.43 | Jerub | b33r: never compile anything you don't have to. |
| 07:24.50 | mac_ | Guerin: I'm fairly sure it's not an Emacs thing, but rather Linux console stuff |
| 07:24.52 | jeff_ | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 07:24.52 | jeff_ | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 07:24.55 | Jerub | b33r: and when DO compile it, make it a .deb so you can install it like everything else. |
| 07:25.06 | Guerin | mac_: wasn't even clear that you were IN a console. |
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| 07:25.11 | zeeble | jeff_ did you get netselect-apt or just netselect? apt-spy is another app that does the same. apt-get install netselect-apt apt-spy and read the manpages. |
| 07:25.24 | mac_ | Guerin: where else would you use "loadkeys"??? |
| 07:25.27 | mac_ | :) |
| 07:25.32 | jeff_ | apt-get install netselect-apt is what i did |
| 07:25.37 | cafuego | Jerub: iinet already have 8/1 on my exchange... |
| 07:25.49 | b33r | jerub, if i knew how to make a .deb i think i could handle compiling |
| 07:25.57 | b33r | as of right now apt-get is king |
| 07:26.03 | Guerin | mac_: I never have, I just know that the people in #emacs know a hell of a lot more about emacs stuff than the people in #debian. |
| 07:26.09 | b33r | but apt-cache couldnt find openssl |
| 07:26.10 | Guerin | oh |
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| 07:26.16 | Guerin | loadkeys in a console |
| 07:26.19 | Guerin | I get it now |
| 07:26.34 | mac_ | Guerin: true enough... it's worth a shot... |
| 07:26.37 | oZt | is there a way to see what process that is using a device? (ie a smb share) |
| 07:26.46 | Guerin | oZt: lsof, fuser |
| 07:26.58 | oZt | ok |
| 07:27.14 | b33r | anyone in here use nessus? |
| 07:27.15 | kpld | does debian has tomcat5? |
| 07:27.19 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 07:27.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:27.26 | Guerin | !tell kpld about search |
| 07:27.26 | b33r | ouch |
| 07:27.46 | kpld | o,thx |
| 07:27.52 | Guerin | b33r: you're not going to compile that as well, are you? |
| 07:27.52 | b33r | for some reason when i apt-getted nessus it didnt come with any of the plugins |
| 07:27.54 | streuner | b33r: just ask your question, don't ask to ask |
| 07:28.00 | tga | still no luck browsing my smb workgroup or accessing the server by name |
| 07:28.06 | b33r | i asked |
| 07:28.08 | Guerin | b33r: work on your apt-fu |
| 07:28.19 | b33r | ya my apt-fu is definitly laking |
| 07:28.26 | Guerin | which lake? |
| 07:28.33 | b33r | grrr |
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| 07:29.35 | b33r | ding ding, you have to apt-get the nessus plugins |
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| 07:30.29 | b33r | ok what is the easiest way for me to get APM into the kernel |
| 07:30.35 | cafuego | or you could run the update-nessus-plugins tool. |
| 07:30.36 | Guerin | modprobe apm |
| 07:30.37 | b33r | as of right now i have no battery mon |
| 07:30.53 | b33r | was trying to install battfink |
| 07:30.58 | cafuego | I didn't think macs used apm. |
| 07:31.09 | jeff_ | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 07:31.09 | jeff_ | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 07:31.12 | b33r | well its not in the debianppc kernel |
| 07:31.18 | cafuego | Mine is forever bitching about /dev/apm not existing |
| 07:31.33 | b33r | ditto cafuego |
| 07:31.42 | b33r | do you have a batttery mon> |
| 07:31.50 | b33r | i have to rely on the battery leds |
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| 07:31.52 | jeff_ | :( |
| 07:31.55 | cafuego | b33r: I think so.. whatever the default gnome one is,s eems to work. |
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| 07:32.07 | b33r | damn... i have no default gnome one |
| 07:32.23 | insmod_ | Guerin: like what |
| 07:32.41 | cafuego | insmod_: Guerin like kimchi |
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| 07:33.10 | tyler_warwon | hello I'm am trying to configure a Apache server, can anyone connect too linux-tyler.dyndns.org |
| 07:33.16 | Guerin | mmm, kimchi |
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| 07:33.37 | insmod_ | cafuego: i don't know sure |
| 07:33.46 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: Either it doesn't work or you got DoS'ed |
| 07:33.53 | jeff_ | zeeble why is it doing that |
| 07:34.11 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: poke a hole in the firewall and let tcp/80 through. |
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| 07:34.32 | tyler_warwon | I can't 80 is blocked by the ISP |
| 07:34.40 | Guerin | get a real isp |
| 07:34.41 | nvashi | will deb ever do a port for nwn dedicated servers and client ... I run 3 nwn ded servers on debian now and helping to convert 2more but would love to have a port |
| 07:34.44 | tyler_warwon | took me hours to figure that out |
| 07:34.49 | EricBlade | i just discovered that there is over a gigabyte of data kept on my system about what packages have ever been installed on my system. wtf? |
| 07:34.53 | Guerin | nvashi: is it free software? |
| 07:35.01 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: then running apache on port 80 and asking people to access it isn't going to be useful. |
| 07:35.16 | nvashi | well the server stuff is |
| 07:35.22 | Guerin | EricBlade: most of those are probably the packages themselves |
| 07:35.29 | tyler_warwon | no it's running on port 8080 |
| 07:35.35 | Guerin | nvashi: really? what license is it released under? |
| 07:35.49 | cafuego | EricBlade: it's just a download cache. 'apt-get clean' |
| 07:35.51 | EricBlade | no, that's just in /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 07:35.53 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: You COULD have told us, you know |
| 07:35.59 | tyler_warwon | sorry sleeply :P |
| 07:36.03 | cafuego | EricBlade: 1 *GB* ? |
| 07:36.07 | jeff_ | i have pain in my fingers |
| 07:36.21 | daww | Is there some way I can put a specific program in some kind of "system tray" like Windows have? |
| 07:36.22 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: :8080 works |
| 07:36.23 | jeff_ | in the joints, is there a package i could install to fix this |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | jeff_: stop typing |
| 07:36.30 | daww | in gnome |
| 07:36.30 | tyler_warwon | you sure you can see my server? |
| 07:36.37 | nvashi | I will find out cause they have the dedicated server list for download on nwnvault |
| 07:36.38 | Guerin | jeff_: apt-get install physiotherapist |
| 07:36.42 | jeff_ | lol |
| 07:36.51 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: Yes |
| 07:36.53 | Guerin | !tell nvashi about free software |
| 07:36.58 | Guerin | !tell nvashi about dfsg |
| 07:37.01 | tyler_warwon | what address did you connect too? |
| 07:37.05 | nvashi | nad they have ports for gentoo and freebsd |
| 07:37.14 | jeff_ | !dpkg finger pain |
| 07:37.16 | cafuego | Connected to d142-59-36-164.abhsia.telus.net. |
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| 07:37.31 | jeff_ | !dpkg carpal tunnel |
| 07:37.33 | cafuego | Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-9 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7d |
| 07:37.35 | tyler_warwon | 142.59.36.164:8080? |
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| 07:37.47 | tyler_warwon | or just my dns thingy |
| 07:37.49 | nvashi | the game itself to commercial |
| 07:37.49 | tga | tyler_warwon: telus does block port 80, or so I've heard |
| 07:37.59 | nvashi | to -> is |
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| 07:38.01 | tyler_warwon | ya took me hal;f the night to figure that out |
| 07:38.05 | tyler_warwon | and they block port 25 |
| 07:38.11 | Guerin | wisely |
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| 07:38.23 | EricBlade | hell, i did an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade 48 hours ago, and it's still running... and the last one i did was maybe a week ago at most |
| 07:38.28 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: See the apache access log /in /var/log/apache |
| 07:38.29 | tga | tyler_warwon: join the darkside, switch to shaw |
| 07:38.38 | streuner_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 07:38.45 | tyler_warwon | I can't were stealing the cable TV :P |
| 07:38.52 | jim | jeff_: if you are having problems with your hands, do NOT fuck with that, go see soemon and find out what it is ASAP |
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| 07:39.08 | EricBlade | i tried removing cups from my system once, but like 98% of debian depends upon it. |
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| 07:39.15 | Guerin | um, nopw |
| 07:39.21 | cafuego | Is someone having a heart attack? |
| 07:39.24 | stouset | daww: what do you mean? |
| 07:39.25 | tga | tyler_warwon: give up tv, switch to shaw.. 2 good things in one |
| 07:39.34 | Guerin | someone, somewhere must be |
| 07:39.38 | stouset | daww: gnome has a system tray applet for applications that support it, like gaim and rhythmbox |
| 07:39.41 | rob0 | who has time for TV? |
| 07:39.43 | simonrvn | 99% of tv sucks |
| 07:39.45 | directhex | nvashi, what you're talking about are packages. yes, it's possible to repackage pretty much anything, but the questions are whether it's legal to do so (the first release fo doom 3 didn't allow any repackaging), who will do so, and whether they're able to get packages into debian non-free and keep them maintained. and we're talking some very large packages here |
| 07:39.48 | tyler_warwon | i wish I could afford it |
| 07:39.51 | cafuego | simonrvn: optimist |
| 07:39.51 | jeff_ | jim: aye ill take your advice..it feels good in the morning but if i crack a finger one time it begins to hurt |
| 07:39.52 | Guerin | i have discovery channel now |
| 07:39.59 | simonrvn | the 1% is comedy/satire stuff |
| 07:40.00 | EricBlade | simonrvn: tilt is the only good thign on tv.. and it just ended :( |
| 07:40.03 | Guerin | for the first day of every fortnight it's pretty good |
| 07:40.07 | Guerin | then the repeats begin |
| 07:40.09 | cafuego | simonrvn: most of that sucks too, though |
| 07:40.21 | simonrvn | cafuego: i'm *VERY* picky |
| 07:40.23 | stouset | Bah, Family Guy is the only good thing on TV. |
| 07:40.27 | jeff_ | and i plan on becomming a programmer :( i bet that could ruin a good carrer |
| 07:40.29 | stouset | And Futurama, sometimes. |
| 07:40.29 | tyler_warwon | heh who's hacking me :P? |
| 07:40.33 | simonrvn | crap |
| 07:40.37 | starfish_ | i newly installed sarge on an amd computer and installed kde and the desktop is grainy looking any suggestions? |
| 07:40.40 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: sorry ;-) |
| 07:40.48 | tyler_warwon | i know your just joking |
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| 07:41.03 | simonrvn | "you're" |
| 07:41.04 | cafuego | am I? ;-) |
| 07:41.09 | tga | starfish: are you running it in 256 colours or something? |
| 07:41.23 | streuner_ | simonrvn: right, most in TV are propaganda and commercials :-) |
| 07:41.24 | starfish_ | i dunno |
| 07:41.43 | tyler_warwon | hope you are be nice! |
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| 07:41.50 | starfish_ | what do i have to do go back into the install? |
| 07:41.51 | tyler_warwon | i'm canadian |
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| 07:41.52 | cafuego | I must be dirty, my cat keeps trying to wash me. |
| 07:42.03 | daww | stouset, ok, whats the name of that applet? |
| 07:42.09 | nvashi | Directhex : most of the stable nen persistent worlds are on debian, gentoo, redhat and freebsd servers .. and they are supported by the staff at bioware and the gaming community .. I just wanted to get a deb port cause it is IMHO better thabn gentoo |
| 07:42.12 | jim | starfish_: back to the future? |
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| 07:42.18 | simonrvn | i *know* for a fact someone's trying shit here: ICMP redirect host [Classification: Potentially Bad Traffic] |
| 07:42.22 | nvashi | nen -> nwn |
| 07:42.24 | jim | you coudl try base-config |
| 07:42.26 | stouset | daww: Notification Area |
| 07:42.30 | streuner_ | cafuego: social habits? |
| 07:42.35 | cafuego | simonrvn: I'm pretty sure that's not me. |
| 07:42.37 | simonrvn | 216.177.11.254 -> $local_IP |
| 07:42.39 | directhex | nvashi, stop saying 'port' |
| 07:42.46 | nvashi | ok |
| 07:42.52 | starfish_ | how do i do bas-config? |
| 07:42.56 | Guerin | you mean 'distribution' |
| 07:42.58 | cafuego | streuner_: the little bugger HAS previously licked a hole in my skin |
| 07:43.05 | daww | stouset, king =), is xchat suppporting it? |
| 07:43.19 | b33r | cafuego, if you dont mind, what type of mac to you have |
| 07:43.20 | cafuego | simonrvn: likke slike a guerin-range IP |
| 07:43.26 | directhex | nvashi, and it comes down to someone willing to put in the time and effort to package the application in a given format. you could try doig it yourself, apt-get source quake2-data as a model |
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| 07:43.36 | simonrvn | i'm running hinfo on it now |
| 07:43.39 | Guerin | naw, I'm 123.* and 211.* |
| 07:43.46 | Guerin | and 220 |
| 07:43.51 | cafuego | b33r: Pretty much all of them except a silver powerbook and a charcoal G4. |
| 07:43.56 | simonrvn | 216.177.11.254 is claiming to be nonexistant host 254.11.177.216.cust.nh.inaddr.G4.net. |
| 07:44.07 | zeeble | starfish: base-config |
| 07:44.13 | N00b2Debian | Karsten are you still here? |
| 07:44.13 | stouset | daww: no clue, it's up to the application to do so. I just use gaim for IRC. |
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| 07:44.19 | b33r | i am using a powerbook g3 firewire, and for some reason I didnt get a battery monitor that loaded with gnome |
| 07:44.35 | simonrvn | cafuego: new hampshire based ISP, metro2000, FYI |
| 07:44.47 | tyler_warwon | so cafuego my weblink dyndns didn't work? |
| 07:44.48 | mwilson | b33r: Yes, and? |
| 07:44.51 | simonrvn | ASN10367 |
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| 07:44.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 216.177.0.0/19 -j MIRROR |
| 07:44.59 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Yeah, sorta. |
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| 07:45.16 | b33r | and im wondering if there is a package that will work with macs to monitor batt lfe |
| 07:45.23 | cafuego | tyler_warwon: it does, but the reverse lookup for that IP gets your ISP's entry, not dyndns. |
| 07:45.24 | daww | stouset, do you think gaim is better then xchat? |
| 07:45.27 | Guerin | b33r: #debianppc |
| 07:45.31 | b33r | dead |
| 07:45.37 | nvashi | ok thanks will try doing that .. because me and one of the guys in holland are fixing the php scripts for nwnadmin at the moment to be able to host server servers with it [only see a single server now even if others are running] |
| 07:45.44 | mwilson | b33r: And the reason you don't just add Gnome's battery applet to your panel would be...? |
| 07:45.49 | dondelelcaro | b33r: you just use pmud |
| 07:45.50 | cafuego | b33r: right click the top panel and add the battery monitor |
| 07:45.53 | dondelelcaro | b33r: that's all you need |
| 07:45.54 | b33r | ..that i didnt know it existed? |
| 07:45.57 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ?? |
| 07:46.01 | stouset | daww: I've just never really liked xchat. gaim has its own downsides, but I use it for all my IMs so I suppose it suffices |
| 07:46.01 | N00b2Debian | I know this is kinda off topic but I thought that maybe my router was to blame for not bing able to get the netinst done |
| 07:46.02 | tyler_warwon | I tried putting the url in my laptop on my other wireless connection I couldn't connect.. |
| 07:46.06 | b33r | well i havent mapped the right click yet :P |
| 07:46.10 | mwilson | 23:44 < b33r> i am using a powerbook g3 firewire, and for some reason I didnt get a battery monitor that loaded with |
| 07:46.13 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.14 | jeff_ | guys is there a reason why i get "e to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute." |
| 07:46.15 | mwilson | You seem to think there is one. |
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| 07:46.28 | b33r | there isnt? |
| 07:46.34 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Frankly, no idea. |
| 07:46.37 | dondelelcaro | b33r: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/da_perl/scripts/powerbook_util/pb?rev=1.3&root=Don+CVS&view=auto may also be useful |
| 07:46.39 | karsten | N00b2Debian: Why do you think that? |
| 07:46.43 | karsten | N00b2Debian: ...unlikely IMO. |
| 07:46.46 | starfish_ | what do i want in base-config |
| 07:46.48 | mwilson | You seem to think there is one, but you don't look at the list of available ones? |
| 07:46.58 | b33r | i am unaware of a list |
| 07:47.16 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 07:47.16 | N00b2Debian | k |
| 07:47.17 | zeeble | starfish_ what do you want to do? |
| 07:47.25 | mwilson | Uh, huh. |
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| 07:47.44 | daww | stouset, Is gaim a multiple im? |
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| 07:48.15 | Guerin | bitlbee > *imclient* |
| 07:48.32 | starfish_ | get the monitor to not look grainy |
| 07:48.32 | directhex | daww, yes it is |
| 07:48.36 | mwilson | I looked at bitlbee. I went back to gaim. |
| 07:48.45 | jeff_ | could debian have a firewall that blockd certain things by default? how do i edit this |
| 07:48.50 | Guerin | jeff_: no |
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| 07:49.17 | stouset | daww: yeah |
| 07:49.22 | daww | is there some other mutiple ims them gaim that is popular? |
| 07:49.24 | b33r | dondelelcaro, i really have no clue what to do with that code |
| 07:49.26 | stouset | daww: MSN, AIM, ICQ, Jabber, Gadu-Gadu, IRC... |
| 07:49.34 | b33r | thanks though |
| 07:49.35 | directhex | daww, kopete is the kde equivalent |
| 07:49.35 | daww | stouset, like miranda IM |
| 07:49.40 | Guerin | bitlbee! |
| 07:49.44 | dondelelcaro | b33r: if you're running a powerbook, that tells you exactly how much batter life you have remaining. |
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| 07:49.51 | directhex | Guerin, shush you |
| 07:49.53 | snapzor | hey |
| 07:49.56 | b33r | if i knew how to execute it |
| 07:49.59 | snapzor | anyone tell me how to make snapshot please? |
| 07:50.04 | daww | Guerin, ok, better then gaim? |
| 07:50.08 | snapzor | eg. screenshot from my desktop? |
| 07:50.08 | stouset | daww: Wouldn't know :-) It's great for an IM client though. The IRC portion could stand a little work, but it's good overall. |
| 07:50.09 | dondelelcaro | b33r: it's a perl script. You download it, and run it. |
| 07:50.13 | dondelelcaro | !screenshot |
| 07:50.14 | dpkg | screenshot is, like, 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 07:50.17 | streuner_ | snapzor: /msg dpkg ss |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | daww: just use your irc client as an im client |
| 07:50.27 | karsten | N00b2Debian: I'm out for the night. If I say anything past this point, I am *not* responsible for the sanity of your cats. |
| 07:50.32 | vir182 | since my kernel-image upgrade my network card moved from eth0 to eth1 and my firewire access from eth1 to eth2. syslog tells me my networkdriver (e1000) find eth1 since then. any clue why? ifconfig shows me an eth0 with HW address 00:00:00:00:00:00. |
| 07:50.37 | Guerin | daww: /connect im.bitlbee.org |
| 07:50.59 | jim | karsten: but are you responsible for the samity of phoebe cates? |
| 07:51.06 | jeff_ | Guerin how do i edit my firewall |
| 07:51.20 | Guerin | jeff_: you don't, since you almost certainly don't have one |
| 07:51.23 | karsten | jim: Give me 45 minutes with here and I'll let you know. |
| 07:51.29 | karsten | jim: s/here/her/ |
| 07:51.38 | Guerin | !spell samity |
| 07:51.40 | dpkg | possible spellings for samity: amity sanity |
| 07:51.45 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 07:51.46 | dpkg | :), Guerin |
| 07:51.46 | jim | heh :) she was a cutie |
| 07:51.56 | jeff_ | ok |
| 07:52.21 | starfish_ | everything looks fine as it boots up and when i get to gdm sign on screen the monitor is all spekled or grainy |
| 07:52.23 | jim | !botsmack |
| 07:52.23 | dpkg | No thanks, I don't do smack. |
| 07:52.41 | simonrvn | smart bot |
| 07:52.49 | stouset | starfish_: for a few seconds? |
| 07:52.54 | jim | they ruined my factoid! |
| 07:53.02 | Guerin | dpkg, no, botsmack is <action> smacks $who right and properly |
| 07:53.02 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 07:53.03 | jeff_ | bittorrent refuses to upload and netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 07:53.10 | simonrvn | "crazy" |
| 07:53.12 | starfish_ | no its still like that when kde is logged on |
| 07:53.13 | Guerin | jeff_: are you? |
| 07:53.39 | karsten | jim: What _is_ the status of her sanity? Just reading up on her ATM. |
| 07:53.49 | jeff_ | yes but i have it configured to where it worked in another distro. |
| 07:53.56 | jim | not sure |
| 07:54.00 | cafuego | !drug jim |
| 07:54.03 | jeff_ | im behind a dsl router |
| 07:54.16 | jim | I never knew she was insane |
| 07:54.24 | starfish_ | someone said to try to fix in base-config but im unsure what option to choose |
| 07:54.25 | stouset | starfish_: screenshot? |
| 07:54.27 | karsten | jim: No work from 1994 - 2001. Did "The Anniversary Party" in 2001. |
| 07:54.28 | Guerin | jeff_: some software is clearly dropping outbound packets |
| 07:54.33 | b33r | wow very cool script dondelelcaro, i typed in perl, coppied code in then hit ctrl-d and it worked :D |
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| 07:54.47 | jeff_ | im curious why its not working. what software would that be |
| 07:54.52 | karsten | jim: ...married to Kevin Kline. Hrm. |
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| 07:55.01 | Guerin | jeff_: ok, let me guess... |
| 07:55.02 | jeff_ | so i said hey mabey its ip tables |
| 07:55.04 | TNKS | hello all, when patching the Linux kernel, does 2.6.11.4 patch over 2.6.10, 2.6.11, or 2.6.11.3? |
| 07:55.06 | starfish_ | dont understand screenshot |
| 07:55.11 | jim | karsten: Kevin Kline... was he in "Herman's Head"? |
| 07:55.21 | jeff_ | please do Guerin |
| 07:55.22 | stouset | jeff_: does iptables --list print anything? |
| 07:55.24 | jim | or "Threes Company" |
| 07:55.33 | tga | even with a 3-line smb.conf (workgroup, netbios name, security) I still can't browse the workgroup from a winxp machine. any idea why that could be? |
| 07:55.35 | karsten | jim: Dunno. IMDB. He was in "A Fish Called Wanda" and "Dave" |
| 07:55.37 | Guerin | jeff_: could be... sendmail |
| 07:55.41 | jeff_ | yes |
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| 07:55.44 | Guerin | !magic hate ball |
| 07:55.52 | Guerin | jeff_: ↑ |
| 07:56.03 | jim | dpkg: right on! |
| 07:56.03 | dpkg | of course i am |
| 07:56.07 | jeff_ | ah i did configure my mta to be localhost only |
| 07:56.08 | jim | dpkg: right on! |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | that would definitely fuck up bittorrent and traceroute |
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| 07:56.27 | Sontek | Is there a program like Virtual PC for Linux thats free? So I can emulate windows while in linux? |
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| 07:56.35 | jeff_ | oh i see |
| 07:56.35 | cafuego | It's amazing how WInXP defaults its timezone to Tijuana even if you've just told it you live in Australia |
| 07:56.35 | Guerin | Sontek: qemu |
| 07:57.00 | jeff_ | i thought that was only for the mta |
| 07:57.10 | simonrvn | cafuego: "tribute" to the maquiladoras i guess |
| 07:57.17 | Guerin | jeff_: see, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing |
| 07:57.21 | directhex | Sontek, qemu, though it is much slower than the closed (and expensive) vmware |
| 07:57.24 | Guerin | simonrvn: hah |
| 07:57.39 | starfish_ | what is ppp? |
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| 07:57.49 | jeff_ | iptables --list Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination |
| 07:57.51 | cafuego | !ppp |
| 07:57.52 | dpkg | hmm... ppp is even if you don't read that, just MAKE SURE you have ppp_async compiled into your kernelas a module or you're not dialing anywhere bub, or look at http://www.linux.net.nz/pppconfig/details.php?authtype=pap |
| 07:57.53 | jm_ | there's a patch for qemu that speeds things up |
| 07:57.54 | Guerin | !fgi starfish_ what+is+ppp |
| 07:57.55 | jim | perry pooper poppins |
| 07:57.55 | dpkg | starfish_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=what+is+ppp |
| 07:57.58 | jeff_ | just that |
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| 07:58.19 | jeff_ | ok well i will try and re-configure exim |
| 07:58.25 | Sontek | Guerin, They don't have WinXP support yet do they? And I have a 64-bit processor |
| 07:58.43 | starfish_ | whats apt? |
| 07:58.44 | jeff_ | is there a script or something that handels this by chance |
| 07:58.50 | Guerin | Sontek: nfi, lol |
| 07:59.05 | Guerin | !fgi starfish_ whats+apt |
| 07:59.05 | Sontek | Guerin, nfi? |
| 07:59.06 | dpkg | starfish_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=whats+apt |
| 07:59.10 | jim | starfish_: Alotta Package Turnips |
| 07:59.12 | karsten | !tell starfish_ about apt |
| 07:59.13 | Guerin | Sontek: no fucking idea |
| 07:59.15 | jeff_ | Sontek, vmware supports xp |
| 07:59.18 | Sontek | haha |
| 07:59.18 | simonrvn | lolomgf0x0r |
| 07:59.24 | Sontek | jeff, Its not free though is it? |
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| 07:59.34 | jeff_ | not legally |
| 07:59.37 | Guerin | no |
| 07:59.40 | Guerin | it's not free |
| 07:59.43 | jeff_ | its slow imo |
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| 07:59.59 | jim | starfish_: it's used to install debian packages |
| 08:00.05 | daww | Guerin, how do I execute bitlbee? I have installed it via apt |
| 08:00.06 | jeff_ | i hear that win4lin is faster but its not free |
| 08:00.10 | Sontek | jeff_, Well the reason I want to do this is so I can be in Linux but still beable to do my job (code c#) and mono doesn't work that great yet |
| 08:00.14 | Guerin | daww: you don't need to install it |
| 08:00.16 | Sontek | so it has to be legal |
| 08:00.28 | Guerin | daww: it's a server - you can use public servers such as im.bitlbee.org |
| 08:00.29 | cafuego | Sontek: Got a second machine? |
| 08:00.42 | directhex | jeff, if you think vmware is slow, qemu would kill you |
| 08:00.55 | daww | Guerin, ok |
| 08:00.58 | Guerin | daww: just tell your irc client to connect to im.bitlbee.org:6667 and type 'help' |
| 08:01.00 | jeff_ | ahh, what about win4lin |
| 08:01.04 | cafuego | Sontek: or you can install colinux on WinXp and run Linux in windows that way. |
| 08:01.12 | starfish_ | well i dont see anywhere in base-config that will solve my problem with the grainy noise on my monitor |
| 08:01.19 | directhex | cafuego, all the stability of windows and ease of linux? |
| 08:01.28 | directhex | starfish, TFT? |
| 08:01.32 | cafuego | directhex: Great, isn't it? |
| 08:01.39 | Sontek | cafuego, Does it run well? |
| 08:01.41 | jeff_ | starfish, mabey you can re-configure your monitor setting |
| 08:01.50 | starfish_ | noise as in an effect in gimp or photoshop |
| 08:02.00 | cafuego | Sontek: no idea, the installer didn't crash - I've not booted back into windows since <heh> |
| 08:02.05 | directhex | is that a 'no' then? |
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| 08:02.11 | Guerin | starfish_: what video adaptor, what driver, etc? |
| 08:02.14 | blahdeblah | Sontek: VMWare seems like the leader for now, but apparently Xen will support Windows out of the box in future. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ |
| 08:02.27 | directhex | starfish, do you or don't you have an lcd screen? |
| 08:02.30 | cafuego | starfish_: pedal faster, so it gets more power. |
| 08:02.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:03.06 | starfish_ | how do i re-configure monitor settings? |
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| 08:03.17 | directhex | i give up. |
| 08:03.22 | directhex | off to work \o/ |
| 08:03.41 | b33r | dondelelcaro, if i saved that perl script to a file, whats the easiest way to run it? |
| 08:03.49 | dondelelcaro | b33r: stick it in your $PATH |
| 08:03.51 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:04.00 | starfish_ | no lcd screen |
| 08:04.20 | b33r | not sure what $path is :/ |
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| 08:04.38 | jim | electricelf: you're both opped and away |
| 08:04.40 | dondelelcaro | b33r: I have it in ~/bin; but you may not have that in your PATH. Something like /usr/bin, /usr/sbin or whatever. |
| 08:04.47 | jeff_ | can someone help me re-configure exim to not run on local host only |
| 08:04.49 | starfish_ | regular old monitor |
| 08:04.53 | b33r | also it said i had 0 time left and 0% batt life but i was still usig the laptop |
| 08:05.04 | Guerin | jeff_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config can |
| 08:05.10 | jeff_ | thanks |
| 08:05.12 | starfish_ | i guess about 15 inches or so |
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| 08:05.27 | hever | Hello, when I try to connect to my exim4 mailserver via pop3 I got the following errormessage in my syslog: "courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED" What could happened and what could I do now? |
| 08:05.28 | luct | hi |
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| 08:06.20 | jim | electricelf: you're not only opped and away, but you're also 5 hours idle |
| 08:06.27 | stouset | hever: well, clearly your login failed |
| 08:06.32 | Guerin | jim: i'm sure he cares a lot |
| 08:06.46 | stouset | hever: first off, exim4 isn't a pop3 server; you're using courier it would seem |
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| 08:06.49 | hever | stouset, Ok. But why ? |
| 08:06.54 | jim | he knows it's not a great idea |
| 08:06.59 | Guerin | he does? |
| 08:07.02 | hever | stouset, your're right |
| 08:07.13 | stouset | hever: logins typically fail due to a bad username/password... |
| 08:07.27 | Guerin | tghe log for the pop3d should tell you precisely why |
| 08:07.30 | stouset | hever: I assume you've checked that? |
| 08:08.13 | hever | stouset, Is there anyweher a Logfile which could tell me exactly username/password error ? |
| 08:08.14 | Guerin | i want rum |
| 08:08.29 | Guerin | i'm convinced I just got a whiff of rum |
| 08:08.41 | Guerin | but maybe it's just the kerosene heater I'm sitting next to |
| 08:08.50 | Guerin | since koreans never, ever drink rum |
| 08:08.57 | b33r | anyone know off hand if there are any ppc packages that will put your laptop in powersaving mode when the lid is closed |
| 08:09.16 | simonrvn | FUCK |
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| 08:09.29 | Guerin | simonrvn: ? |
| 08:09.30 | cafuego | jim: ElectricElf is what we call a "bad op". Just ignore him, he's a got a MAD TEMOPER. |
| 08:09.38 | jim | whatever |
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| 08:09.50 | simonrvn | fucking upgrade on ntp-server is segfaulting |
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| 08:09.53 | Guerin | jim: who appointed you watcher of watchers, anyhow? |
| 08:10.02 | jim | I'm not afraid of that lying sack in any way whatsoever |
| 08:10.04 | Phated | WTF would you care if someone was opped or not? |
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| 08:10.16 | Guerin | hehe |
| 08:10.21 | Guerin | touchy touchy |
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| 08:10.46 | cafuego | "lying sack" ? |
| 08:10.57 | hever | stouset, My passwords must be right. I'm authenticating via mysql db and set up the accounts with vexim. There is no DB error... |
| 08:11.00 | jeff_ | Guerin: now azureuz is uploading but netselect is still not working |
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| 08:11.07 | rob0 | That's MISTER lying sack. |
| 08:12.02 | jim | he seems to have lost his away status |
| 08:12.03 | cafuego | Guerin: Perfect! |
| 08:12.13 | tchaikov | join #debian-dpl-debate |
| 08:12.13 | cafuego | jim: What is he a lying sack? |
| 08:12.16 | cafuego | Why even |
| 08:12.17 | Guerin | cafuego: why thankyou. Huh? |
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| 08:12.33 | cafuego | Guerin: I was just pondering what my wife should bring back duty-free. |
| 08:12.35 | b33r | dondelelcaro, when i run the batt file I get permission deined, as root |
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| 08:12.48 | cafuego | Guerin: We've got 4l each of vodka and gin, so those are OK. |
| 08:12.48 | Guerin | there's more than one answer to that question? |
| 08:12.52 | Phated | cafuego: Beer! |
| 08:12.53 | dondelelcaro | b33r: it's a perl script, and you need to have it +x |
| 08:12.56 | cafuego | Guerin: We lack a good rum, though. |
| 08:13.02 | Guerin | you guys make a good rum |
| 08:13.02 | b33r | new to chmod |
| 08:13.07 | b33r | not to sure how to use it |
| 08:13.16 | nvz | seems like fuck is the word of the hour |
| 08:13.18 | cafuego | Guerin: I fart in the barrels, makes it special ;-) |
| 08:13.18 | Guerin | or rather, some people about 3000km nor-nor-east do |
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| 08:13.42 | jeff_ | Guerin, is there a way i can track the program thats dropping the packets |
| 08:13.52 | Guerin | jeff_: tcpdump |
| 08:14.06 | Guerin | but it is quite industrial strength |
| 08:14.16 | cafuego | Guerin: They're pretty much due north... only 1800km though (I checked when we drove up to Coolum) |
| 08:14.20 | Guerin | ie: not trivial to understand when you know nothing about it |
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| 08:14.27 | Guerin | wow, that's not far at all |
| 08:14.32 | nvz | jeff_: there is a gtk program I used once called netdude, that makes reading of tcpdump logs easier |
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| 08:14.53 | chrsyv | I'm running debian testing, and i'm not able to get vlc through apt-get, i get the error that it's dependant on libdvbpsi2, but that package cannot be installed, any tips? |
| 08:14.55 | nvz | !info netdude |
| 08:15.00 | dpkg | netdude: (NETwork DUmp data Displayer and Editor for tcpdump trace files), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 487 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
| 08:15.08 | llama32 | hi ppl |
| 08:15.10 | jeff_ | thx |
| 08:15.12 | Guerin | cafuego: it's all about appleton for me these days |
| 08:15.28 | jeff_ | ill try and track the curlprit |
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| 08:15.33 | b33r | ok, dondelelcaro: *somwhow* i got chmod to work, no when I type it batt it doesnt echo anything,, is there something I should add to the script |
| 08:15.50 | starfish_ | nvz |
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| 08:16.02 | nvz | starfish_: spit it out boy |
| 08:16.09 | dondelelcaro | b33r: eh? are you running it /usr/bin/batt or something? |
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| 08:16.41 | b33r | somehow when i coppied it it was blank |
| 08:16.44 | b33r | its in /bin/ |
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| 08:16.47 | nvz | feel free to form complete sentences, if you are going to use my nick. |
| 08:16.55 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 08:16.55 | starfish_ | i reinstalled linux on chads pc and gdm and when the sign on screen comes up its all grainy lookin |
| 08:17.02 | blahdeblah | Sontek: ping; did you get your iptables problem sorted out? |
| 08:17.07 | Phated | SlayerXP! |
| 08:17.12 | nvz | starfish_: chad has an nVidia card. |
| 08:17.14 | SlayerXP | Phated! |
| 08:17.16 | Guerin | SlayerXP: top of the evening to you, my fine sir |
| 08:17.22 | SlayerXP | lo gu |
| 08:17.23 | Phated | SlayerXP: Whassup? |
| 08:17.23 | SlayerXP | err |
| 08:17.26 | SlayerXP | lo Guerin |
| 08:17.38 | starfish_ | how do i fix this? |
| 08:17.41 | SlayerXP | phated: not much. it's morning, you're still young enough to be my daughter. |
| 08:17.44 | nvz | starfish_: you need to be using some kind of nvidia driver, the only one available from a sarge install would be 'nv' which is a non-accellerated driver |
| 08:17.47 | Phated | SlayerXP: AM NOT |
| 08:17.48 | Guerin | starfish_: get a better monitor |
| 08:17.51 | dondelelcaro | b33r: wget -o batt http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/da_perl/scripts/powerbook_util/pb?rev=1.3&root=Don+CVS; chmod +xx batt; then ./batt; |
| 08:17.53 | SlayerXP | Phated: yes you are. |
| 08:17.56 | Phated | SlayerXP: :( |
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| 08:18.07 | Guerin | ok |
| 08:18.16 | b33r | ok got it to work, thaks dondelelcaro.. its a nice script |
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| 08:18.25 | llama32 | i have an ntfs partition that i cant access as a normal user, there arent anyy mount opions for cd or anything that isnt on the ntfs partition's, but for some reason i can only see it as root... and i added myself to the disk group which owns the device file... any ideas? |
| 08:18.28 | starfish_ | so apt-get nv? |
| 08:18.40 | nvz | starfish_: if you have his pc and can do a small ammount of fixing to it anyhow, might as well get him nvidia kernel and glx drivers, so he can have 3d accelleration in X and play games |
| 08:18.47 | b33r | but, how can i trust it? |
| 08:18.56 | nvz | starfish_: no you would set the X display driver to 'nv' in the X config |
| 08:18.58 | dondelelcaro | b33r: trust what? |
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| 08:19.16 | b33r | well when i first ran it, it said 0% |
| 08:19.25 | b33r | 0 seconds left |
| 08:19.26 | starfish_ | can you walk me through that? |
| 08:19.41 | dondelelcaro | b33r: that's not unusual if the battery is charging or in an indeterminant state |
| 08:19.47 | nvz | starfish_: I can try I suppose. are you on his pc now? |
| 08:20.01 | starfish_ | no on mine but i could call ya |
| 08:20.19 | nvz | I don't know about all that |
| 08:20.20 | Phated | What's to walk through? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 08:20.24 | nvz | heh |
| 08:20.30 | starfish_ | or i have a blank piece of paper in front of me |
| 08:20.34 | nvz | he should install the nvidia drivers |
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| 08:20.39 | b33r | well it was really close to dying |
| 08:20.47 | Phated | In which case /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner. |
| 08:21.02 | Phated | Which works beautifully. |
| 08:21.13 | b33r | i dont know about intermittent state though |
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| 08:21.28 | nvz | Phated, works beautifully, as well. |
| 08:21.36 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: what's special about snapshot.debian.net? |
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| 08:22.23 | simonrvn | if you knew you wouldn't be asking. easy downgrade |
| 08:22.24 | Phated | nvz: That was what I said, yes. |
| 08:22.47 | nvz | starfish_: Its 3am, here and I am still feeling hungover from last night. Phated on the other side of the globe, however is on the ball. |
| 08:22.48 | b33r | thanks for all your help guys, it is very much appreciated :) |
| 08:22.49 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: "if you knew you wouldn't be asking" - really? :-) |
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| 08:23.16 | nagual | FireEgl |
| 08:23.16 | starfish_ | hey i got pics of the baby i can e-mail ya |
| 08:23.24 | blahdeblah | simonrvn: by easy downgrade you mean better than playing with package weights? |
| 08:23.26 | nvz | starfish_: I believe I've seen them already |
| 08:23.29 | cafuego | For those of you who have only just tuned in, I would like to announce my chilli and meatball sauce is a-ma-zing! |
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| 08:23.40 | starfish_ | nope you couldnt have |
| 08:23.46 | peterS | cafuego: w00t |
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| 08:23.58 | hever | stouset, My passwords must be right. I'm authenticating via mysql db and set up the accounts with vexim. There is no DB error... |
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| 08:24.09 | Phated | cafuego: Wonderful. |
| 08:24.22 | nvz | I don't think I even have an email address |
| 08:24.23 | MAcubexxx | how can i change my display name ?? |
| 08:24.27 | starfish_ | i took them with my digital cam and they havent been made public yet unless you seen the ones i sent today to your dad |
| 08:25.00 | MAcubexxx | i do something and my display name on terminal are forever.foreverdomain ... how can i fix that? |
| 08:25.12 | nvz | starfish_: anyone within 802.11b/g range can just about see anything sent here, they dont even got WEP setup |
| 08:25.18 | simonrvn | blahdeblah: step 1find a package is borked; step 2) edit sources.list to include the right source package, fetched from snapshot.debian.net; step 3) downgrade package a notch to where you know it was working; step 4) enjoy said package and reportbug $borked_package |
| 08:25.29 | nvz | starfish_: I plugged my shit directly in, and turned off all my services |
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| 08:27.01 | jeff_ | ok so how can i find out what software is dropping my outgoing packages using netdude |
| 08:27.05 | nvz | starfish_: I just walked down to the Eat-n-Park in edgeworth, and the bp.. since nothing in this shitty town stays open after 1am anymore.. and over in edgeworth things stay open, all except the police station, as they dont seem to pay cops anymore like most places in this area |
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| 08:27.33 | nagual | nvz: you live in a shitty town? |
| 08:27.36 | starfish_ | at about 10 or 11 tonight |
| 08:27.36 | starfish_ | your mom said you came in drunk or high and went to bed |
| 08:27.36 | starfish_ | what happened? |
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| 08:28.14 | jeff__ | any one can help |
| 08:28.16 | nvz | starfish_: na I was at pedros house, I came home and ate some soup and then passed out.. I've had a bad headache all day |
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| 08:28.20 | starfish_ | its my turn to be up all night with the baby |
| 08:28.31 | stuartSan | bleh, no empty cd. waiting for my friend to bring one over then the struggle continues |
| 08:28.46 | starfish_ | so ya saw casey? |
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| 08:28.59 | stuartSan | is there a debian for dummies document somewhere |
| 08:29.14 | nvashi | anyone use mod_v2h for apache2/mysql for mass vhosting .. and are there any other options out there if not? |
| 08:29.22 | jim | stuartSan: you could try floppies (installing sarge?) |
| 08:29.22 | nvz | starfish_: we were in station square for a few hours last night, then went back to ambridge and hung out.. I was with Steve, Jeff and Mike T. |
| 08:29.43 | rob^ | stuartSan, uburtu is a nice easy to use version of Debian that might be right up your alley |
| 08:29.57 | stuartSan | jim: nah, net-inst is really screwed for me, tried woody and sarge, sarge doesn't have PPPoE support and woody's couldn't detect my network card |
| 08:30.05 | nvashi | doing a google to find other options now |
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| 08:30.17 | starfish_ | i still cant beleive caseys with pedro |
| 08:30.19 | jim | stuartSan: actually it does |
| 08:30.29 | nvz | starfish_: oh well, get over it :P |
| 08:30.46 | stuartSan | rob^: naww.. spent the whole night downloading CD#1. will try to install that before i use the other recommended ones like knoppix etc. |
| 08:30.47 | starfish_ | did you see her |
| 08:30.58 | stuartSan | heh nvz don't you need sleep? |
| 08:30.58 | rob^ | stuartSan, cool |
| 08:31.16 | jim | using the floppy install (with the new "debian-installer"), it found a pppoe concentrator |
| 08:31.27 | MAcubexxx | I'm on debian sarge, i can't startx ... : fatal IO error 104 ... bad display name .. ???? any ideas? |
| 08:31.50 | jeff__ | can someone help me please. software on my comp is dropping outgoing packages. i need to find out which one |
| 08:31.57 | nagual | yea, i have a few ideas. |
| 08:31.58 | nvz | starfish_: yes I've seen her a lot since I've been here. Steve and I went there the other day, and I seen her at Gian'Iggle today. |
| 08:32.00 | stuartSan | jim: weird. half of the users here say its a bug in sarge while the other half says its okay. |
| 08:32.10 | chrsyv | I'm having trouble installing vlc, anyone else have a video viewer to recommend? |
| 08:32.15 | jim | stuartSan: hmm, maybe it is buggy |
| 08:32.30 | Sontek | chrsyv, mplayer |
| 08:32.31 | nvz | stuartSan: na, I came home and passed out way earlier.. I just woke up a few hours ago |
| 08:32.43 | starfish_ | hows she doin and just so you know im over it i just worry about her from time to time |
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| 08:32.51 | jeff__ | :( no one can help me? |
| 08:32.55 | stuartSan | i don't mind an outdated/old etc version of debian. as long as it supports everything in my pc, e.g: i don't mind using win98 when there's winxp now at the moment blabla. |
| 08:32.56 | jim | we weren't actually able to log in |
| 08:33.11 | stuartSan | nvz: oh.. ijust woke up an hour earlier too lo |
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| 08:33.48 | stuartSan | and i will update it to sarge after i've learned pretty much the basics of woody |
| 08:33.57 | nvz | starfish_: she's doing fine. she went to the library today with Jess, they were taking some tests and filling out applications for a few warehouse jobs. |
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| 08:34.05 | jim | stuartSan: perfectly good solutin |
| 08:34.17 | kreg | that's nothing. i had a dream that i threw a rainbow care bear at a tree. and when the bear broke open from the impact, it shot out rainbows and burned my face. |
| 08:34.41 | rob^ | dam |
| 08:34.55 | nvashi | ah where you get the care bear from |
| 08:35.00 | jim | kreg: so why did you throw the care bare? |
| 08:35.04 | starfish_ | i think its funny that she wanted a saturn when we where together and now i have one also caiden was born on her b-day |
| 08:35.12 | nvz | stuartSan: well start with learning to upgrade to sarge :) |
| 08:35.16 | kreg | jim, i really don't know actualy. i think i was 5 at the time. |
| 08:35.23 | jim | ahh |
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| 08:35.27 | nvz | stuartSan: the tools are only going to be newer and easier to use in sarge (: |
| 08:35.31 | stuartSan | nvz: wouldn't that take hours since i'm not going to just install base o/s anymore |
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| 08:36.00 | nvz | stuartSan: well depends on what you have right now, and what your connection type or apt-source is |
| 08:36.04 | stuartSan | going to install the whole freaking thing because i'm fed-up with not being able to go online and i figured, base o/s would be a bad place to start as a noob |
| 08:36.25 | jim | stuartSan: base os without net woulnd't be that good |
| 08:36.47 | starfish_ | does she have a car yet? |
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| 08:37.05 | nvz | stuartSan: I've done 3 standard "Desktop System" installs of sarge in the past two weeks, and complete newbies seem to be happily computing. |
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| 08:37.34 | stuartSan | nvz: hopefully after i install this desktop system i'll be happily computing too lol |
| 08:37.39 | nvz | starfish_: no, they don't have a car. |
| 08:37.39 | stuartSan | i guess net-inst just isnt my thing.. yet |
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| 08:37.56 | starfish_ | man they need one with the baby and all |
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| 08:38.51 | jeff__ | netselect-apt gives me an error about not being able to traceroute |
| 08:38.56 | starfish_ | i would give them the cavalier but gram and everyone would have a fit |
| 08:38.56 | jim | stuartSan: usually net installs pretty much take care of themselves, but they assume a net connection |
| 08:38.59 | nvz | starfish_: they seem to manage, mum watched him while she went to ambridge on the bus today |
| 08:39.03 | jeff__ | someone told me to use tcpdump. but i cant tell exactly whats going on. |
| 08:39.37 | jim | jeff__: maybe you're not connected to the net yet |
| 08:39.44 | stuartSan | jim: problem is on windows all i do is just install a driver for my d-link card, and thats it, i don't need to configure anything else. when it comes to linux.. O_O |
| 08:39.48 | jeff__ | i am jim |
| 08:39.49 | nvz | thats why you make a tcpdump file, then use something like netdude to read it, like I said |
| 08:39.52 | jim | maybe you're connected but dns isn't working |
| 08:40.01 | jeff__ | yea i did use netdude |
| 08:40.08 | jeff__ | i think thats what happend |
| 08:40.23 | jeff__ | can i give an example of an error it gives. |
| 08:40.37 | jim | jeff__: are you trying to install debian? |
| 08:40.56 | jeff__ | no |
| 08:41.01 | jeff__ | i am in debian |
| 08:41.13 | stuartSan | i'm just hoping to have linux up and running and set-up in a way that its multimedia capabilities are on the same level with other o/s'es then i'll be happy |
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| 08:41.21 | jim | stuartSan: in linux, you have to know your hardware pretty well |
| 08:41.30 | jeff__ | net install worked fine. however netselect-apt says it cannot connect |
| 08:41.43 | jeff__ | cannot traceroute |
| 08:41.53 | jim | jeff__: is traceroute installed? |
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| 08:42.05 | nvz | stuartSan: have you installed anything yet? |
| 08:42.07 | jeff__ | yes |
| 08:42.12 | starfish_ | i wanna get the pc done for my folks and get it out of my way |
| 08:42.21 | stuartSan | jim: yeah, thats hard. usually though all i need is my username/password to connect, i don't even need a phone number/dns/etc. to connect online. |
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| 08:42.30 | TNKS | Why are people in the habit of making a hard like copy (cp -rl) of the kernel source tree? Changes in one tree affect the other tree; why not just rename the directory and change the symbolic "linux" link? |
| 08:42.30 | jim | ok... what happens when you try traceroute yahoo.com |
| 08:42.41 | TNKS | I just don't see the benefit of the "cp -rl" hard-link copying. |
| 08:42.54 | stuartSan | nvz: sarge net-inst x2, woody net-inst x2, and now waiting for my friend to get me an empty cd so i can install woody from cd#1 |
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| 08:43.13 | stuartSan | i'm very good at installing base o/s's now! lol |
| 08:43.15 | jim | TNKS: sometimes you have different source trees for different purposexs |
| 08:43.18 | jeff__ | it seems to work fine jim |
| 08:43.20 | stuartSan | thats pretty much it |
| 08:43.54 | jim | jeff__: so you end up at yahoo.com or something.yahoo.com and it stops? |
| 08:44.01 | nvz | starfish_: yeah well I am getting ready to put some time in hacking together a script to parse this data file from the county and generate some useful statistics, that I can use to calculate voters in this district who are likly to turn out this election, and get their names and numbers into separate phone lists, to distribute at the campaign meeting. |
| 08:44.10 | nvashi | anyone doing vhosting with apache2 and mysql |
| 08:44.25 | jeff__ | let me run it again |
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| 08:44.31 | TNKS | jim, but I'm confused. All changes to files in the new tree will affect (through the hard linking) the files in the source, so is there *really* a difference in the two trees? |
| 08:44.37 | jim | stuartSan: that's not a bad start |
| 08:44.39 | jm_ | TNKS: no they won't |
| 08:44.40 | starfish_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86brb diaper |
| 08:44.49 | nvz | stuartSan: what kind of method do you use to connect to the internet on the box? |
| 08:44.52 | stuartSan | did you guys start with linux the first day you had a pc or did you bump into it later in your computing life? |
| 08:45.07 | jim | TNKS: oh, hmm, I misunderstood before... are you saying that all files are hardlinked? |
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| 08:45.41 | stuartSan | nvz: did pppoeconf and it said it couldn't detect my network card, and asked me to run modconf to choose from a list. my network card wasn't there though, and i tried intsalling every driver just to check if i had any of those, and none would, except PPP support |
| 08:45.48 | nvz | stuartSan: I used Atari, Tandy, and Apple pcs back in the 80's and early 90's and ran dos and early versions of windows on old IBMs for years |
| 08:46.22 | nvz | stuartSan: well what (if anything) do you know about the hardware in that machine? |
| 08:46.27 | TNKS | jim, yeah, now you're with me. |
| 08:46.28 | stuartSan | woot, a real computer user then. my first pc was a 286 and i pretty much ran dos for years.. and then got sucked into the microsoft hype |
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| 08:46.49 | jim | TNKS: you're right, that doesn't make sense |
| 08:47.18 | stuartSan | nvz: well, p3 667, 384 ram, nvidia 64mb card, creative vibra 128 soundcard, 10gig HD, slave 10gig for linux, cd-rom, burner, d-link 520 ethernet card |
| 08:47.28 | nvz | stuartSan: yep. I have only been using linux maybe 6 years or so, and I got into Debian around 2000 I guess it was before Woody, I first installed with Slink |
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| 08:47.43 | TNKS | jim, I see these tutorials all the time, like this one, http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/howpatch.html, that recommend a "cp -lr" of the source tree, and I just can't figure it out. |
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| 08:47.46 | stuartSan | i don't need an ip/dns etc because usually my isp assigns one to me when i connect. i use dynamic |
| 08:47.59 | nvz | stuartSan: that dlink card is probably either a tulip or natsemi card, but I could probably figure it out. |
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| 08:48.18 | rob^ | stuartSan, I started when Red Hat 5 was out.. went full time Linux a few years ago |
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| 08:48.20 | nvz | stuartSan: you really should go with the Debian-Installer for sarge, it uses hardware detection |
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| 08:48.31 | nvz | stuartSan: and has much newer kernels with newer drivers |
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| 08:49.01 | stuartSan | rob^: heh i bought RH 5.0 when it came out too, had a bad experience with it, couldn't connect online too! but during that time support wasn't as good as it is today though |
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| 08:49.06 | nvz | stuartSan: you are going to dualboot windows on one drive and debian on the other? |
| 08:49.12 | lightbade | hi. i need help with GtkComboBox. how do i get a horizontal separator? i'm using 2.4 dev |
| 08:49.28 | jeff__ | jim no it dosent stop there it gets to 11 ge3-1.bas1-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.149) 39.453 ms ge7-2.bas2-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.197) 41.994 ms ge7-1.bas2-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.207) 40.897 ms |
| 08:49.32 | jeff__ | then |
| 08:49.41 | jeff__ | 12 * * *13 * * *14 * * * |
| 08:49.42 | nvz | stuartSan: if you even got RH 5.x to work, you got further than me. I bought 5.2 for like $20 or so, and couldnt get it to work. |
| 08:49.49 | jeff__ | it keeps doing that |
| 08:49.49 | rob^ | stuartSan, I was actually introduced to it during an IT course by an instructor.. unheard of then |
| 08:49.57 | jim | ok, but that does show your dns is working |
| 08:50.04 | nvz | RedHat was barely usable in the 5.x days |
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| 08:50.12 | jim | try: ping yahoo.com |
| 08:50.13 | rob^ | yeah |
| 08:50.18 | nvz | not that it was ever really any good |
| 08:50.19 | rob^ | but it was a start |
| 08:50.28 | stuartSan | nvz: dang, so i should really install sarge if i want to set it up, because if woody can really support my hardware, i don't mind the extra document reading, non-friendly user interface etc |
| 08:50.42 | stuartSan | well yea i got startx to work, but under 16 color mode or something lolol |
| 08:50.48 | rob^ | nvz, I quickly moved away from RH5 |
| 08:50.51 | jeff__ | jim it seems to be going fine |
| 08:50.56 | rob^ | intresting though |
| 08:51.10 | jim | jeff__: OK, so your net connection is up |
| 08:51.20 | stuartSan | and RH was supposedly the 'friendliest' of linux |
| 08:51.23 | jeff__ | yes im on the box in question now |
| 08:51.28 | stuartSan | of linux distros* |
| 08:51.28 | rob^ | yeah |
| 08:51.32 | rob^ | I know |
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| 08:51.50 | stuartSan | all i did was play linux games when i had it on my pc |
| 08:51.55 | rob^ | It came out here on the front of a miniguide for $15 |
| 08:51.56 | jim | jeff__: are you now trying to locate a mirror? |
| 08:51.56 | nvz | I tried corel linux after that, and got X to work, but the lack of X applications that were any good I eventually moved to Mandrake which packed an FAI, and lots of software into an package that was both affordable and available in many stores. |
| 08:52.17 | jeff__ | yes jim |
| 08:52.34 | jim | hmm, what's the mirror picker? apt-setup? |
| 08:52.41 | stuartSan | nvz: so, if woody gives me troubles, can i install sarge from just cd#1 too |
| 08:52.46 | lightbade | hi. i need help with GtkComboBox. how do i get a horizontal separator? i'm using 2.4 dev |
| 08:52.47 | nvz | and after a year or so with that, I started looking for something that was better, and I bunred things like FreeBSD, Slackware, Debian.. and I eventually realized this was what I wanted |
| 08:52.48 | jeff__ | netselect-apt |
| 08:52.58 | stuartSan | i did realise sarge had a BETTER installer. |
| 08:53.13 | jim | but that thing isn't working right... |
| 08:53.16 | jim | true? |
| 08:54.03 | stuartSan | i quit linux for quite a while after my bad exprience with redhat, and when i asked around about what i should get nowadays if i wanted to learn, they said debian, so here i am |
| 08:54.14 | jim | stuartSan: that installer is called debian-installer (the old one is called boot-floppies, and some developers find it too hard to work on) |
| 08:54.18 | nvz | stuartSan: I've actually experienced problems with the weekly snapshot of sarge I made last week. the cd1 says it can't load the modules off the disk, and others have said the same thing in here. |
| 08:54.56 | nvz | stuartSan: I've been using my Debian-Installer rc2 net-install iso, to install the base-system and then either configuring apt to use the network, or the cds for packages. |
| 08:55.32 | stuartSan | debian-installer? |
| 08:55.32 | jim | nvz: did someone mention a problem with debian-installer and getting pppoe going? |
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| 08:55.41 | stuartSan | jim: me, for sarge :D |
| 08:55.42 | jim | stuartSan: yes |
| 08:55.50 | jeff__ | im: true it isnt working |
| 08:55.56 | jeff__ | jim: true it isnt working |
| 08:56.02 | jim | hmmm |
| 08:56.12 | stuartSan | what difference is debian-installers from the other installers |
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| 08:56.15 | nvz | stuartSan: it takes the first 3 to do the full "Desktop System" from tasksel, which installs entirely GNOME and KDE environments. however if you are offline and dont need ita _ALL_ one or two cds is more than enough.. because its not much interesting it gets off cd3, fam, udev, hal.. shit like that you probably dont want anyway |
| 08:56.16 | jim | do you both succeed in finding a concentrator? |
| 08:56.19 | stuartSan | !help debial-installer |
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| 08:56.31 | stuartSan | !help debian-installer |
| 08:56.43 | matlads | hello |
| 08:57.05 | jim | hi |
| 08:57.16 | matlads | oes anyone know of a program that I can use to programatically maintain multiple telnet connections |
| 08:57.26 | nvz | but if you get a netinstall cd that has base on the cd, you can always install that, then boot it, and either get the network up, or use packages |
| 08:57.29 | Sontek | screen |
| 08:57.29 | jerome | hum, I can't get my e100 driven card to reach 100M FullDuplex (it's supposed to be supported by the switches there). It just get stuck at 10M FD. Any idea ? |
| 08:57.29 | nvz | off cd |
| 08:57.37 | jeff__ | jim yea netselect apt does not work |
| 08:57.39 | dondelelcaro | matlads: you can do that in perl using Net::Telnet pretty trivially |
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| 08:58.35 | matlads | dondelelcaro: thanx for the suggestion, but unfortunately I need to do it using c |
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| 08:59.00 | stuartSan | well, i still have sarge's netinst around.. should i give it one last try? |
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| 08:59.16 | jim | stuartSan: you have pppoe? |
| 08:59.24 | stuartSan | yeah, adsl |
| 08:59.24 | jim | use pppoe that is |
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| 08:59.37 | jim | everyone's saying there is a problem with that |
| 08:59.56 | stuartSan | so i shouldn't? |
| 09:00.12 | nvz | what would be the easiest way to parse an html file from the shell? either like break long lines of code into one tag per line, or even remove all tags and just leave the plaintext that appears in the browser, would be fine for me. just something that would make it easier to parse auto-generated web pages that all the html code is on a single line :P |
| 09:00.20 | jim | no, unless you have a router that can handle the pppoe temporarily |
| 09:00.29 | jm_ | nvz: lynx -dump? |
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| 09:00.36 | stuartSan | problem is, if woody is too old for more network card drivers, and sarge is having problems iwth pppoe, can i ever go online? O_O |
| 09:00.40 | jim | it'd be better to dist-upgrade |
| 09:00.52 | jm_ | nvz: there's also a lot of perl HTML parsing modules out there |
| 09:01.02 | nvz | jm_: nice :) |
| 09:01.04 | rituraj | when will SARGE be released |
| 09:01.08 | jim | stuartSan: you're online now with woody, right? |
| 09:01.18 | jim | rituraj: RSN, SIYH |
| 09:01.24 | Sontek | rituraj, Its already released, go download it click "testing" |
| 09:01.28 | rituraj | jim: whats that |
| 09:01.35 | jim | !rsn |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | it has been said that rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 09:01.38 | rituraj | i mean released as STABLE |
| 09:01.38 | stuartSan | jim: nope, windows. woody net-inst didn't detect my network card. have the image of cd#1, waiting for my empty cd lol |
| 09:01.41 | nvz | rituraj: when you come back and let me know, you've fixed and closed all the bugs on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and it's safe to proceed |
| 09:02.03 | jim | !siyh |
| 09:02.03 | dpkg | it has been said that siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 09:02.10 | nvz | rituraj: or at least all those concerning the next release |
| 09:02.28 | rituraj | nvz : thanks for the info |
| 09:02.28 | jim | !wir |
| 09:02.28 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:02.28 | stuartSan | i really need a "Get Started With Debian For Total Noobs" kinda book or something |
| 09:02.34 | rituraj | i will close all bugs |
| 09:02.35 | stuartSan | the rush of technical info is overwhelming |
| 09:02.46 | jeff__ | jim: i think i have found it |
| 09:02.49 | jeff__ | IP 172.16.1.34.37543 > 172.16.0.1.53: 23892+ A? ftp.ee.debian.org.gateway.2wire.net. (53) |
| 09:02.49 | fooz | stuartSan, have you used another distro before? |
| 09:03.00 | jeff__ | IP 172.16.0.1.53 > 172.16.1.34.37543: 23892 Refused*- 0/0/0 (512) |
| 09:03.02 | stuartSan | fooz: yeah, had a bad experience with RH5.0 |
| 09:03.07 | jim | I did that -slowly- so as to not disturb conversations too much :P |
| 09:03.08 | jeff__ | IP 172.16.1.34.37552 > 172.16.0.1.53: 4445+ A? ftp.fi.debian.org.gateway.2wire.net. (53) |
| 09:03.13 | fooz | hehe! RH5 was fantastic(ally buggy) |
| 09:03.30 | jeff__ | for every packet it adds .gateway.2wire.net |
| 09:03.33 | fooz | that was the first distro I bought |
| 09:03.40 | stuartSan | my first too |
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| 09:03.44 | jeff__ | do you think thats the problem |
| 09:03.46 | fooz | 5.2 was nice and solid though |
| 09:03.50 | jim | 172.16? those are unroutable ip addresses |
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| 09:04.07 | fooz | stuartSan, well.. keeping google handy is really helpful for debian |
| 09:04.09 | nvz | I didnt see anything solid about the 2disc set of 5.2 I had |
| 09:04.10 | jeff__ | yep |
| 09:04.14 | fooz | stuartSan, otherwise.. you can only learn it well by doing |
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| 09:04.41 | jeff__ | also shouldnt it be ftp.fi.debian.org not ftp.fi.debian.org.gateway.2wire.net |
| 09:04.48 | jim | with google, you can learn by doing, searching, doing some more |
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| 09:05.14 | jim | jeff__: yes |
| 09:05.22 | stuartSan | i wouldn't mind learning by doing but i can't even get online to get more info thats sad |
| 09:05.32 | stuartSan | everytime i want info i have to reboot into win |
| 09:05.43 | jeff__ | so how do you propose i fix those errors? reconfigure my net ? |
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| 09:06.19 | jim | jeff__: try putting a . at the end of the name, like this ftp.fi.debian.org. |
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| 09:06.46 | jeff__ | jim at the end of what |
| 09:06.49 | jeff__ | where |
| 09:06.53 | jim | hmm |
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| 09:07.26 | jim | in your /etc/resolv.conf, is there a line that starts "search"? if so, show us it |
| 09:07.33 | jeff__ | i think i added gateway.2wire.net in one of the network scripts |
| 09:07.56 | jeff__ | on install. ok |
| 09:07.56 | R | hello, I'm trying to get dhcp-dns to work, as far as I can tell I did nothing wrong (and the cron doesn't report any error)... but it doesn't work. Just won't add anything from the leases file to the zone file I created |
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| 09:08.47 | jim | R: if anything dhcp-dns should alter /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:08.59 | jim | if I understand what it does correctly |
| 09:09.03 | jeff__ | search gateway.2wire.net |
| 09:09.21 | jim | try taking that line out |
| 09:09.24 | jeff__ | k |
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| 09:09.43 | R | jim: I thought dhcp-dns would add records to the bind zone file (the docs do say something about changing named.conf so...) |
| 09:10.07 | jim | R: hmm, then I don't understand what dhcp-dns does |
| 09:10.17 | jeff__ | what about nameserver 172.16.0.1 |
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| 09:10.32 | jim | what is 172.16.0.1? |
| 09:10.36 | R | jim: I want it to add subdomains for each lease to a zonefile I got |
| 09:10.41 | jim | and can you ping it? |
| 09:11.18 | jeff__ | yes, is that localhost? |
| 09:11.21 | jim | R: hmm, that's a special app and I'm not familiar enough with this dhcp-dns thing to know how to help |
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| 09:11.48 | jim | jeff__: well no, but it could be the ip address of your machine (two different things) |
| 09:11.53 | R | too bad... perhaps there's any one else here who knows something about the dhcp-dns package? |
| 09:12.07 | jim | R good bet. |
| 09:12.10 | jeff__ | oh i know what that is |
| 09:12.17 | jeff__ | its my router's ip |
| 09:12.21 | jim | ahh |
| 09:12.28 | jeff__ | aka my dns server |
| 09:12.41 | jim | this router, where is it physically located? |
| 09:12.46 | jeff__ | i think its working now jim |
| 09:12.56 | jim | you do? |
| 09:12.56 | jeff__ | next to my computer desk |
| 09:13.00 | jim | ok |
| 09:13.08 | jim | so your router is working like a dns |
| 09:13.13 | jim | somehow :) |
| 09:13.22 | jeff__ | right i suppose |
| 09:13.23 | fooz | what's a good place to get out of print books? |
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| 09:13.45 | jeff__ | its a dsl modem/router/home networking hub |
| 09:13.52 | Nemesis__ | is there any way to make dhcp3 flush expired leases? (i.e. clean up the leases file?) |
| 09:14.06 | fooz | computer books I mean.. Smalltalk-80 (Goldberg and Robson, 1983) |
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| 09:14.18 | peterS | Nemesis__: why bother? |
| 09:14.19 | jim | jeff__: it's either IP forwarding dns traffic upstream or being a dns server |
| 09:14.28 | Nemesis__ | peterS: call me pedantic... |
| 09:14.49 | peterS | Nemesis__: keeping expired leases around is useful for quasi-static allocations - that is, giving the same machine the same IP next time |
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| 09:15.05 | stuartSan | if woody's CD#1 doesn't have the specific driver for D-Link 530TX ethernet card, does that mean i won't be able to use my network card |
| 09:15.18 | jeff__ | oh my gawd it seemes to have worked ....................The fastest server seems to be: http://techweb.rfa.org/debian/ |
| 09:15.25 | jeff__ | but then |
| 09:15.27 | Nemesis__ | peterS: yeah, but ive got an open AP, and its got like 60 stale leases from early last year |
| 09:15.35 | jeff__ | Choosing a non-US Debian mirror using netselect. Running netselect to choose 1 out of 0 addresses. |
| 09:15.40 | soundbox | hi |
| 09:15.44 | jeff__ | netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. |
| 09:15.50 | soundbox | where to find help installing soundcard cmi8330 for debian sarge? |
| 09:15.56 | jim | jeff__: don't worry about non-us for now |
| 09:16.21 | streuner_ | soundbox: what kernel do you have installed? |
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| 09:16.30 | streuner_ | soundbox: uname -r |
| 09:16.34 | jeff__ | that last error mesage was just for non-us? |
| 09:16.40 | jim | might be |
| 09:16.40 | soundbox | streuner_: Linux debian 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 09:16.54 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: modprobe sb_card.o |
| 09:16.58 | jim | so now try apt-get update |
| 09:17.17 | soundbox | Nemesis__: modprobe: Can't locate module sb_card.so |
| 09:17.44 | streuner_ | soundbox: google for the module and install it via 'modprobe <module>' |
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| 09:18.05 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: do ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/sound |
| 09:18.05 | SonnyChiba | Is there any good, ssl capable, webdav client? |
| 09:18.05 | streuner_ | soundbox: groups.google.com and search for the module-name |
| 09:18.19 | stuartSan | does debian have an adsl-setup command |
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| 09:18.27 | jim | jeff__, did that work? |
| 09:18.32 | jeff__ | i see no mention of techweb.rfa.org |
| 09:18.38 | stuartSan | or is it a command thats similiar to pppoeconf in debian |
| 09:18.38 | streuner_ | soundbox: or install an 2.6.x kernel and run 'alsaconf', alsaconf do that for you auto |
| 09:18.46 | soundbox | Nemesis__: and what i need to find from there |
| 09:18.56 | jim | stuartSan: probably you want to try that |
| 09:19.00 | jeff__ | its currently at 35% [Connecting to ftp.debian.org (128.101.80.133)] |
| 09:19.02 | Nemesis__ | SonnyChiba: cadaver can do SSL.. but you have to compile it from source... |
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| 09:19.06 | soundbox | streuner_: how to get kernel 2.6.x? |
| 09:19.19 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: you're looking for sb_card.o .. but is there anything in that folder? |
| 09:19.20 | SonnyChiba | Nemesis__: no problem, its ok |
| 09:19.20 | jim | jeff__: it's not stuck is it? |
| 09:19.21 | streuner_ | soundbox: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 09:19.31 | stuartSan | i found a site that is giving instructions on how to set up MY isp on linux.. woop |
| 09:19.38 | jeff__ | no it came thru |
| 09:19.45 | jim | ok |
| 09:19.49 | streuner_ | soundbox: pick an kernel and install it via 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x' |
| 09:19.52 | soundbox | Nemesis__: there is sb.lib sb.o and bunch of others |
| 09:19.56 | jim | so... want to upgrade to sarge now? |
| 09:20.05 | jeff__ | but no sign of the new server it picked - techweb.rfa.org |
| 09:20.24 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: hmm, try modprobe sb.o .... |
| 09:20.28 | jim | jeff__: oh, want to use that mirror? |
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| 09:20.39 | streuner_ | !listkeys cmi8330 |
| 09:20.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cmi8330' by key returned no results. |
| 09:20.41 | soundbox | streuner_: how to find right one |
| 09:20.47 | streuner_ | !listvals cmi8330 |
| 09:20.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cmi8330' by value returned no results. |
| 09:20.55 | soundbox | Nemesis__: modprobe: Can't locate module sb.o |
| 09:21.00 | jeff__ | IP 172.16.1.34.38516 > 172.16.0.1.53: 36600+ A? mirror.eftel.com. (34) |
| 09:21.01 | streuner_ | soundbox: well, depends on your CPU |
| 09:21.13 | streuner_ | soundbox: what CPU do you have? |
| 09:21.16 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: hmmm.. try modprobe sb |
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| 09:21.24 | soundbox | streuner_: hmm how to figure out what one is right, i got P2 333mhz, currently on i86 system |
| 09:21.29 | jeff__ | mirror.eftel.com. <- should that last . be there |
| 09:21.37 | stuartSan | bleh, it was for setting up my isp under redhat |
| 09:21.40 | soundbox | Nemesis__: it tought some, then exited, no messages |
| 09:21.47 | streuner_ | soundbox: ok, i386 is good enough |
| 09:21.55 | jim | jeff__: looks like it'e searching dns for it |
| 09:21.57 | soundbox | Nemesis__: lsmod: sb 8340 0 (unused) |
| 09:22.02 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` [press ctrl+c to end] |
| 09:22.11 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: you should hear static, or get an error |
| 09:22.33 | jim | jeff__: yes, that final . means "there's no more name after this" |
| 09:22.35 | soundbox | Nemesis__: lemme plug in my phones and try again |
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| 09:22.53 | soundbox | streuner_: im having i686 atm, whats difference? |
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| 09:23.15 | jim | jeff__, want to use that mirror you found? |
| 09:23.27 | jeff__ | yes |
| 09:23.31 | streuner_ | soundbox: some optimized code for the CPU, but i386 work as well |
| 09:23.36 | jim | ok, try apt-setup |
| 09:23.37 | soundbox | Nemesis__: OUCH MY EARS!? |
| 09:23.47 | soundbox | Nemesis__: heartattack... |
| 09:24.00 | jeff__ | should i take out the nameserver 172.16.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:24.06 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: er yeah, should have mentioned.. turn the speakers down.. anyhows, sound works now :) |
| 09:24.11 | jim | jeff__: no! |
| 09:24.29 | soundbox | streuner_: but as i got sound to work, does new kernel has any advantages over my 2.4.x? |
| 09:24.48 | soundbox | Nemesis__: what program i use to regulate sound? |
| 09:24.49 | jim | jeff__: that tells all of your linux how to do dns lookups |
| 09:24.52 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: personally, I think the 2.6.x is worse than the 2.4.x |
| 09:24.52 | jeff__ | lol jim now it returns http://debian.fastweb.it/debian/ |
| 09:24.53 | streuner_ | soundbox: 2.6.x kernels support newer hardware |
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| 09:25.08 | jeff__ | as the fastest |
| 09:25.08 | soundbox | streuner_: yeah, but my comp is old school crap |
| 09:25.12 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: commandline or gui? apt-get install aumix for commandline |
| 09:25.12 | jim | jeff__: you near italy? |
| 09:25.17 | jeff__ | nope |
| 09:25.21 | jeff__ | louisiana |
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| 09:25.31 | R | found the dhcp-dns problem... make sure your nameserver is able to find out the correct authorative nameserver for your domain |
| 09:25.33 | soundbox | Nemesis__: i want something graphical, something i can put into xfce4 panel? |
| 09:25.43 | soundbox | Nemesis__: like windows had... |
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| 09:25.49 | Erick | soundbox: gdm? kdm? |
| 09:25.50 | nvz | yeah buddy, I am in business now. this links -dump makes this a lot easier than parsing the html manually |
| 09:26.07 | visual_ | i didnt wanted to use real nick, i came here with same prob. yday and i got no help at all |
| 09:26.12 | jim | non-us places comparing favorably to us ones for a client in the us :) go figure :) |
| 09:26.13 | Nemesis__ | soundbox: hmmm, kmixer on kde i think was one |
| 09:26.18 | visual_ | greycat told me my soundcard is broke and it wont work at all |
| 09:26.23 | jim | but you can use that mirror if you want' |
| 09:26.34 | Erick | visual_: ask again |
| 09:26.38 | streuner_ | visual_: Who told you that you deserve help? |
| 09:26.47 | visual_ | streuner_: ? |
| 09:27.06 | Nemesis__ | visual_: xfce4-mixer - XFce4 Mixer frontend |
| 09:27.07 | visual_ | streuner_: im a newbie linux user, and a big fan of linux, of course i deserve help -_- |
| 09:27.15 | jeff__ | lol alrighty im gonna run it a 3rd time now 2 see the best |
| 09:27.16 | streuner_ | visual_: just ask your question and don't complain if the help you got doesn't fit your problems |
| 09:27.29 | visual_ | Nemesis__: thanks, you are my hero:)) |
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| 09:27.46 | visual_ | streuner_: sorry? |
| 09:27.59 | visual_ | Nemesis__: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:28.05 | visual_ | Nemesis__: xfce4-mixer: Depends: libxfcegui4-1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:28.11 | visual_ | Nemesis__: E: Broken packages |
| 09:28.21 | streuner_ | visual_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:28.31 | streuner_ | !bts |
| 09:28.31 | Nemesis__ | log a bug |
| 09:28.31 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:28.43 | jim | bug a log |
| 09:28.57 | visual_ | did it |
| 09:29.10 | jim | bug a log bug while logging the bug |
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| 09:29.40 | visual_ | jim: ! |
| 09:29.57 | Nemesis__ | blog a log ...er..bug? |
| 09:30.05 | jim | visual_: i |
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| 09:30.45 | visual_ | Nemesis__: could recommend some mp3/audio player like xmms? but xmms slows my comp down too much |
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| 09:31.10 | streuner_ | visual_: what CPU do you have? |
| 09:31.13 | Nemesis__ | visual_: serious? I run it on a 200Mhz PPC... |
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| 09:31.34 | Nemesis__ | visual_: if you're willing to ditch the gui, hit the 'mpg123' drugs |
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| 09:31.46 | jim | blog a log... bug a lug... bog... lug... log... bug... |
| 09:31.48 | PaNkePaSa | hi there, is there any way of sending to an apt-get in the background asking to answer yes/default/etc an answer? |
| 09:32.07 | Nemesis__ | jim: hmm, it needs to have something about drinking to excess in there somewhere... |
| 09:32.16 | jeff__ | so jim how do i switch apt servers |
| 09:32.21 | visual_ | Nemesis__: well xmms start doing some weird noises to my HDD? |
| 09:32.25 | streuner_ | PaNkePaSa: that's an bad idea |
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| 09:32.41 | Nemesis__ | visual_: that's not slow computer, that's either dying hard disk, or hard disk still using PIO |
| 09:32.48 | jim | jeff__: one way, edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and another way, try apt-setup |
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| 09:32.51 | Nemesis__ | visual_: or not enough RAM and its swapping lots |
| 09:33.02 | visual_ | Nemesis__: whats PIO? |
| 09:33.02 | jeff__ | Jim! it added search gateway.2wire.net |
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| 09:33.29 | jim | hmm, that's not good |
| 09:33.31 | Nemesis__ | visual_: there's a few modes you can use to "talk" to the hard disk. PIO is the slowest, and it makes your hard disk hate you.. but it "just works". |
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| 09:33.45 | visual_ | Nemesis__: aha |
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| 09:34.01 | visual_ | Nemesis__: i downloaded xfce4 mixer debian package from other webpage, how i install it? |
| 09:34.14 | jim | jeff__: I think your dhcp or pppoe is deciding to do that |
| 09:34.17 | visual_ | Nemesis__: sorry for bothering so much but im a newbie, tho i learn fast |
| 09:34.26 | jeff__ | probally so |
| 09:34.30 | Nemesis__ | visual_: nfi.... too bad apt-get was broken.. |
| 09:34.48 | jeff__ | thats what i need to configure. and i dont use pppoe |
| 09:34.58 | PaNkePaSa | streuner: I know but what can I do? kill the apt-get and rerun it? |
| 09:34.58 | visual_ | Nemesis__: ok i search faq's some |
| 09:35.00 | Nemesis__ | wait for someone to fix it, compiling from source is too much of a pain in the rear |
| 09:35.08 | stuartSan | hm if redhat has drivers for network cards for my isp, debian should have them too, no? |
| 09:35.23 | jim | jeff__: what program do you think did that/ |
| 09:35.24 | jim | ? |
| 09:35.29 | Nemesis__ | stuartSan: if theyre in the kernel, debian likely has them compiled in as a module |
| 09:35.34 | jim | no pppoe? |
| 09:35.35 | jeff__ | i have no idea |
| 09:35.35 | streuner_ | PaNkePaSa: sure, make sure you always have 'full control' of the installation process... |
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| 09:35.46 | jim | so dsl and static ip? |
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| 09:35.53 | jeff__ | you got it |
| 09:35.57 | stuartSan | okay |
| 09:36.01 | PaNkePaSa | streuner: right, thanks anyway :-) |
| 09:36.03 | streuner_ | PaNkePaSa: you should always know what's going on in your system |
| 09:36.09 | stuartSan | cos there's no way woody wouldn't have drivers for this pc thats probably older than it |
| 09:36.13 | jim | jeff__: wait... you have a -static- ip? |
| 09:36.19 | jeff__ | yes |
| 09:36.22 | jeff__ | a static |
| 09:36.24 | jim | hmm! |
| 09:36.58 | jim | so you are not using dhcp at all? |
| 09:37.06 | Nemesis__ | stuartSan: use a bf24 kernel, you should be fine |
| 09:37.10 | jeff__ | i think i am though |
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| 09:37.47 | jim | do you have the /29 subnet like what pacbell gives you? |
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| 09:37.57 | jeff__ | no idea |
| 09:37.59 | jim | (i.e., 5 static ips) |
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| 09:38.22 | Nemesis__ | man I hate americans... ISPs give out subnets willey nilley..... |
| 09:38.24 | jeff__ | no ok my actual dsl (link to internet) has a static ip |
| 09:38.44 | jeff__ | that in turn runs a lan |
| 09:38.46 | jim | Nemesis__: oh believe me, that's expensive |
| 09:38.58 | ncp | is it okay to ask about help with tightvnc in here? |
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| 09:39.04 | jeff__ | which has a dhcpd running |
| 09:39.08 | starfish_ | how do i find out my video cards bus identifier? |
| 09:39.10 | jim | so don't go killing an american just becasue he just got a class A net :) |
| 09:39.18 | Nemesis__ | jim: heh, cant be as expensive as satellite internet because your telcos are so shit they cant be bothered doing proper dsl/cable... |
| 09:39.35 | jeff__ | and assigns my computer its ip address on the LAn |
| 09:39.46 | Nemesis__ | jim: heh, there was some guy in here last week who had a class C and didnt even know about routing. I felt like hurting myself |
| 09:39.54 | jeff__ | but my internet ip <is> static |
| 09:40.20 | jim | jeff__: are you gettign the static ip from the dhcp |
| 09:40.21 | jim | ? |
| 09:40.23 | Nemesis__ | starfish: lspci |
| 09:41.00 | directhex|work | !tell stuartSan about woody hardware support |
| 09:41.01 | starfish_ | nemesis whats lspci? |
| 09:41.08 | jeff__ | no it isnt static for this comp |
| 09:41.27 | jeff__ | but my actual IP on the gateway is static |
| 09:41.50 | Nemesis__ | starfish: it lists the cards on your pci bus, their description, and the bus id... |
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| 09:41.55 | Comp|ex`_- | starfish_: type lspci .. and see |
| 09:41.58 | jeff__ | my box is assigned a dyanmic ip, although i can change thah setting |
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| 09:42.05 | starfish_ | hold on |
| 09:42.12 | jim | is the gateway ip == 65.0.112.139? |
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| 09:42.32 | jim | and is that also your static ip? |
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| 09:42.53 | jeff__ | yes jim |
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| 09:43.02 | jim | to both questions? |
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| 09:43.09 | jeff__ | yes |
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| 09:43.11 | Nemesis__ | jim: *blank look* |
| 09:43.32 | jim | ok, so your dhcp is giving you your static ip |
| 09:43.45 | jeff__ | no |
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| 09:44.00 | memic | anybody knows how to repair broken pop3 mailboxes? |
| 09:44.00 | starfish_ | ok i found my video card but what part of the line is my bus id? |
| 09:44.03 | jeff__ | my gateway gets its ip from bellsouth |
| 09:44.08 | jim | now how do we tell it to ignore the search prefixes |
| 09:44.28 | jeff__ | my computer gets its ip through NAtfrom gateway |
| 09:44.39 | jim | jeff__: and it's the same IP every time you connect, no matter what? |
| 09:44.47 | jeff__ | yes |
| 09:44.52 | jeff__ | i pay for it |
| 09:44.54 | jeff__ | :) |
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| 09:45.25 | jeff__ | Router Address: 172.16.0.1 |
| 09:45.25 | jeff__ | Subnet Mask: 255.255.0.0 |
| 09:45.25 | jeff__ | DHCP Range: 172.16.1.33 - 172.16.1.250 |
| 09:45.25 | jeff__ | Allocated: 1 |
| 09:45.25 | jeff__ | Available: 217 |
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| 09:45.46 | jeff__ | did you read that jim |
| 09:46.03 | jim | jeff__, that;t the internal setup |
| 09:46.13 | jeff__ | yes |
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| 09:46.51 | Nemesis__ | jeff__: do you have one of those dsl modems that does routing too by any chance? |
| 09:46.55 | directhex|work | starfish, why do you need a bus id? |
| 09:47.01 | jeff__ | yes Nemesis__ |
| 09:47.16 | jim | jeff__, ls -l /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:47.23 | starfish_ | when i did lspci it list my video card but what will my bus id look like? |
| 09:47.28 | starfish_ | ] |
| 09:47.33 | directhex|work | starfish, lspci -X |
| 09:47.34 | jeff__ | i typed in gateway.2wire.org as my network durning debain install. |
| 09:47.39 | Nemesis__ | starfish: 00:07.0 |
| 09:47.39 | jim | Nemesis__L why are you being a forehead smacker??! that hurt! |
| 09:47.41 | jeff__ | i typed in gateway.2wire.net as my network durning debain install. |
| 09:48.04 | jeff__ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23 2005-03-16 03:33 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:48.16 | Nemesis__ | jim: i joined halfway through... whats he trying to do? |
| 09:48.26 | directhex|work | starfish, still not sure why you need a bus id, it's unneccessary on i386 & amd64 to give that info |
| 09:48.35 | Nemesis__ | jim: smacking forehead beacuse I thought he was trying to set up NAT on his box |
| 09:48.46 | jeff__ | it adds search gateway.2wire.net |
| 09:48.57 | jim | somehow he's getting a "search gateway.2wire.org" in his /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:48.58 | jeff__ | to resolv.conf |
| 09:49.03 | jim | and I'm trying to find out why |
| 09:49.23 | jeff__ | yes everything works dandy when i remove it |
| 09:49.23 | jim | it doesn't help him, and it hurts his chances of gettting out |
| 09:49.33 | starfish_ | ok that gave me all kinds of numbers under my video card |
| 09:49.34 | jeff__ | but soon it adds that again |
| 09:49.44 | directhex|work | !wayttd starfish_ |
| 09:49.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, starfish_? |
| 09:49.45 | jim | probably the lease is renewing |
| 09:49.55 | Nemesis__ | its probably his router that's sending it down with dhcp |
| 09:50.07 | jim | ohhh |
| 09:50.12 | jim | the router is sending it |
| 09:50.17 | jim | good call |
| 09:50.18 | jeff__ | i typed in that gateway.2wire.net as my network though in install |
| 09:50.23 | Nemesis__ | yeah, hes prolly bolloxed the config on his router |
| 09:50.37 | jeff__ | mabey so |
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| 09:50.43 | jim | jeff__: you have to reconfigure the dhcp section of your router |
| 09:50.45 | starfish_ | reconfigure my xserver for my video card and it says it needs my bus id |
| 09:50.45 | tina_ | take a look at /etc/dhclient.conf prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; ) |
| 09:51.33 | directhex|work | starfish_, are you on a sparc, hppa, s390, mips, or something like that? |
| 09:51.33 | Nemesis__ | jeff__: in your router config there's prolly a section that looks like "DNS Suffix" |
| 09:51.33 | jeff__ | im looking at it now |
| 09:51.33 | jim | tina_: would be a good place to look, but this is a dhcp server on a hardware device |
| 09:51.41 | jim | not a linux box |
| 09:51.53 | tina_ | :-o |
| 09:52.00 | starfish_ | i have no idea what that all is |
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| 09:52.04 | Erick | is unix harder than linux or Linux harder than Unix? |
| 09:52.06 | jim | tina_: or this is your dhcp server? |
| 09:52.16 | starfish_ | i have an nvidia card |
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| 09:52.25 | jim | !start a barbie war |
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| 09:52.25 | dpkg | guns are hard! |
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| 09:52.32 | Nemesis__ | starfish_: safe to ignore that question. |
| 09:52.33 | Erick | !unix |
| 09:52.33 | dpkg | i guess unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
| 09:52.39 | directhex|work | starfish_, i already fuckiong said that you should leave that BLANK on i386 or amd64. are you on an i386 or amd64 architecture? |
| 09:52.43 | jim | Erick: they are similar |
| 09:52.56 | starfish_ | yes |
| 09:52.58 | Erick | everyone told me unix is way easier than Linux |
| 09:52.59 | jeff__ | tina if i edit this will it override the dhcp my router sends |
| 09:53.18 | directhex|work | starfish_, so guess what? leave it blank. |
| 09:53.21 | Nemesis__ | Erick: depends on what youre trying to do... Solaris tends to work against me. |
| 09:53.22 | kenboo | easier,,,,??? |
| 09:53.29 | starfish_ | well nvz said when im not sure default is always best |
| 09:53.36 | directhex|work | solaris works once you set it up, and never plan on touching it again |
| 09:53.41 | directhex|work | getting it to that stage is pain |
| 09:53.50 | Erick | Nemesis__: freebsd is easier |
| 09:53.52 | Erick | they told me |
| 09:53.55 | tina_ | jeff__ yes it will |
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| 09:54.05 | Nemesis__ | Erick: as i said, depends what youre trying to do |
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| 09:54.11 | jim | Erick: oic, here's what they are saying: unix is easy because you have a login on someone else's unix box that you don't have to take care of! |
| 09:54.33 | Erick | i want to run a server, |
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| 09:54.40 | kenboo | what server? |
| 09:54.46 | Erick | a home server |
| 09:54.47 | jim | Erick: either os is fine |
| 09:54.52 | jeff__ | tina so what should i change to keep it from adding that search gate.. |
| 09:55.05 | Erick | oh nice, |
| 09:55.12 | starfish_ | well i went all the way through the reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and now it says it cant start gdm because xserver is not set up right |
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| 09:55.14 | directhex|work | Erick, serving what? martinis? |
| 09:55.25 | kenboo | i guess he meant httpd |
| 09:55.25 | tina_ | jeff__ that would be nice to know i have not figured it out yet |
| 09:55.29 | Erick | nope, just a Home server with Unix Linux and Windows, |
| 09:55.31 | Nemesis__ | Erick: consider what youre doing... you're asking whether linux is better than bsd/solaris/hp-ux/aix/whatever .. in a linux channel. |
| 09:55.33 | Erick | i will be the main server with Unix |
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| 09:55.36 | directhex|work | starfish_, what nvidia, what version of debian, which driver did you pick |
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| 09:55.47 | jim | jeff__: are you looking at the DHCP configuration? |
| 09:55.54 | starfish_ | so i was going back through it thinking i did something wrong |
| 09:55.54 | directhex|work | !server |
| 09:55.54 | dpkg | server is, like, the main-computer in a network of computers. It sends out data to the other computers and it also has data on it. |
| 09:56.09 | kenboo | !easy unix |
| 09:56.13 | kenboo | heh no answer |
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| 09:56.16 | Erick | !info unix |
| 09:56.18 | Erick | ;P |
| 09:56.19 | jim | it sends data... it has data... |
| 09:56.22 | starfish_ | nv5m64 |
| 09:56.32 | starfish_ | sarge |
| 09:56.41 | starfish_ | i chose nv |
| 09:56.45 | Nemesis__ | sometimes it even molests data... |
| 09:56.51 | Erick | does Unix and Windows play along together with the data? |
| 09:56.54 | directhex|work | TNT2. |
| 09:56.54 | jeff__ | im looking at /etc/dhclient.conf as well as dhcp on router and im not sure what if i see any revelent options server side |
| 09:57.05 | bob2 | Erick: depends what you mean |
| 09:57.11 | directhex|work | starfish_, grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 09:57.37 | directhex|work | Erick, you're being extraordinarily vague & undescriptive. this makes it hard to help you |
| 09:57.37 | Erick | bob2: for example if i want to run a server, and i want to used Unix and 3 more computers with Linux and 2 windows xps, |
| 09:57.44 | konsol | Erick: for file sharing u can use samba |
| 09:57.47 | jim | jeff__: you want to tell the router not to send DNS domain suffixes |
| 09:57.48 | bob2 | Erick: you need to define "server" |
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| 09:57.56 | bob2 | Erick: do you mean "fileserver using NFS and SMB"? |
| 09:57.58 | directhex|work | bob2, i've already asked him to, he's refused |
| 09:58.00 | Erick | bob2: for example a cyber cafe ;P |
| 09:58.07 | Erick | bob2: kind off, |
| 09:58.10 | bob2 | Erick: that doesn't help |
| 09:58.13 | kenboo | cyber cafe.............................. |
| 09:58.18 | Erick | must be the time ;P |
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| 09:58.37 | jim | Erick: it would be good if the server machine could run its unix or linux all the time |
| 09:58.38 | Erick | i have to wake up at 8:30 in the morning, and it's already 4 almost 5 |
| 09:58.39 | jeff__ | i have a strong idea that its something i edited myself in install thats doing these things |
| 09:58.49 | Erick | it will |
| 09:59.01 | Erick | but the thing is that Freebsd is way slow, |
| 09:59.14 | DrPete | I am setting up a server to host some domains and mail accounts. I know I can do it with postfix and mysql, is there a better way? what do the big webhosts use? |
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| 09:59.17 | Erick | so i'm just gonna buy solaris or something |
| 09:59.23 | directhex|work | Erick, when you've worked out for yourself what "server" means, then you can ask a more useful question. |
| 09:59.23 | jim | Erick: if you want windows, it should not be running on the server box |
| 09:59.26 | kenboo | i want to hear some quantitative words |
| 09:59.34 | Nemesis__ | wouldnt it be cool if you could run Exchange on it too? and for it to be a Windows 2003 Active Directory? |
| 09:59.34 | jim | "more |
| 09:59.48 | directhex|work | solaris is pain |
| 10:00.03 | jim | hmm, that's the only quantitave word I know |
| 10:00.09 | jeff__ | for netselect-apt if im using sarge should i use testing as distro |
| 10:00.10 | mooded | DrPete, take postfix / mysql.. its the nicest solution i know of.. qmail is nice to, but chrisH's tut for isp-style setup with postfix really eases the task.. and is worth the time |
| 10:00.12 | Erick | yeah, but Windows 2003 is way too much money |
| 10:00.18 | Erick | and it's just a home network |
| 10:00.27 | kenboo | more is qualitative. |
| 10:00.30 | directhex|work | i give up. this has got to be either a troll or mental retardation |
| 10:00.36 | kenboo | directhex|work, heh |
| 10:00.46 | jeff__ | for netselect-apt if im using sarge should i use testing as distro |
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| 10:01.25 | jim | jeff__, if you want to move to sarge, yet |
| 10:01.27 | jim | jeff__, if you want to move to sarge, yes |
| 10:01.53 | jim | jeff__, if you want to move to sarge, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 10:01.54 | directhex|work | :| |
| 10:01.59 | jeff__ | omfg its added it again |
| 10:02.15 | kenboo | what's wrong with search? |
| 10:02.21 | jeff__ | i promise you its not the lease |
| 10:02.25 | DrPete | mooded: yeah, i was looking at it. He has helped me alot in the past, a good guy |
| 10:02.26 | jeff__ | lease is every hour |
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| 10:02.58 | jeff__ | will a quick hack be to just give it read premission |
| 10:03.02 | jeff__ | and no write |
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| 10:03.14 | jim | you could try that |
| 10:03.18 | mooded | DrPete, indeed :) |
| 10:03.22 | Nemesis__ | jeff__: doubt it, im pretty sure dhclient runs as root. |
| 10:03.34 | directhex|work | starfish_, have you managed to type a simple command yet? "grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log" |
| 10:03.50 | jim | even root won'[t write if it has no perm to |
| 10:04.18 | jeff__ | let us see |
| 10:04.33 | jim | root writes wrangly rings returning Rex's rover. |
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| 10:04.46 | jeff__ | im so tired |
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| 10:04.55 | jim | meetoo, I gotta go |
| 10:05.03 | jeff__ | thx for the hel[ |
| 10:05.04 | jeff__ | p |
| 10:05.11 | jim | welcome... |
| 10:05.19 | jeff__ | lol |
| 10:05.22 | jeff__ | not hell |
| 10:05.30 | jeff__ | i thank myse;f |
| 10:05.31 | jim | I guess you -could- try reinstalling |
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| 10:05.36 | jeff__ | yeas |
| 10:05.44 | jeff__ | making it read only |
| 10:05.50 | jeff__ | makes it not work |
| 10:05.52 | jeff__ | again |
| 10:05.53 | Space_NL | ey .. i can join the channel again .. tryed last night .. kept saying channel was full :( |
| 10:06.04 | jim | anyways, good luck |
| 10:06.08 | visual_ | Space_NL: hehe debian is popular:P |
| 10:06.09 | jeff__ | thx night |
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| 10:08.01 | Space_NL | visual_: i would say, but only 720 people in the channel .. my guess is the bot who sets limit was stuck orso |
| 10:09.01 | Space_NL | anyways .. as #proftpd is stuck .. does anyone know how i can set proftpd to support resuming of file upload ? |
| 10:10.07 | Space_NL | stuck should be silent in that sentence i guess .. seems my english is rusty early in the morning .. |
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| 10:14.26 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: I don't know much about ProFTPD, but a little searching on www.proftpd.org found me this: |
| 10:14.28 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/linked/config_ref_AllowStoreRestart.html |
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| 10:15.11 | nvz | can while statements be nested in bash? |
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| 10:15.48 | Space_NL | thnx sanxiyn |
| 10:15.56 | Nach | I just apt-get dist-upgraded, and now all my fonts seem to be screwed up, pretty much all the stuff I used is missing, what can I do to fix it? |
| 10:16.06 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: It seems ProFTPD has nice docs... Use them :-) |
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| 10:16.22 | Nach | For example, when I load konsole: Font `-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso10646-1' not found. |
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| 10:18.28 | nvz | now that I think about it, I should probably work to avoid nesting these loops anyhow |
| 10:18.45 | SlayerXP | anyone in with trac clues? |
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| 10:19.34 | jim | !cih |
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| 10:19.46 | jim | !cia |
| 10:19.46 | dpkg | somebody said cia was see cooperation in asking for help. Central Intelligence Agency |
| 10:19.48 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: Some. |
| 10:19.54 | nvz | I am using while read, to parse one file, and I want to parse another file inside this loop.. so if I can nest the while loops, I guess it will work that way |
| 10:20.02 | jim | sheesh |
| 10:20.04 | Space_NL | sanxiyn: mea culpa .. it really is to early for me it seems .. i better go act as like i am a server admin .. and wait till its evening before i make any further changes :-) |
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| 10:20.19 | nvz | I dont have the data files this script is working on right now.. so I am scripting a script I cant really test |
| 10:20.21 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 10:20.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 10:20.48 | sanxiyn | TLA suck |
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| 10:21.35 | sanxiyn | !tla |
| 10:21.35 | dpkg | it has been said that tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. |
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| 10:21.54 | SlayerXP | sanxiyn: ever played with multiple trac sites on one box? |
| 10:22.22 | jim | !sicco |
| 10:22.22 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 10:22.49 | Space_NL | might aswell read all topic now then .. |
| 10:22.51 | Space_NL | !research |
| 10:22.51 | dpkg | [research] what the internet is a tool for... the more you can use it (search the web or databases, find applicable reading material, reading that material, looking in there for references to others), the more independent you will be. Ask me about sicco and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 10:24.30 | jim | Space_NL: well, ok... but I wasn't going to do that myself until he asked another non-specific question... |
| 10:25.04 | Space_NL | jim: well .. u got me wondering what the third topic would be .. i dont know these topics by heart as u might do :-) |
| 10:25.24 | jim | well I know them so well because I wrote them |
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| 10:25.59 | Space_NL | figured it would be you or greycat orso :o) |
| 10:26.18 | efort | where is etc/rc.local on debian? |
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| 10:27.04 | ricky_clarkson | !wayttd efort |
| 10:27.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, efort? |
| 10:27.34 | starfish_ | when my gdm is about to load i get an error saying this version of xfree86 has been extensively modified by the debian project and is not supported by the xfree86 project |
| 10:27.48 | jim | efort: this is a sorta long subject and I'm tired... you should look in /etc/init.d/ and /etc/init.d/ also man 5 inittab, man init, man update-rc.d and look at (forexample) /etc/rc2.d |
| 10:28.07 | efort | trying to get a couple of custom damons and scripts to run on boot |
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| 10:28.35 | jim | ok, so look into that stuff, and you'll see how the structure works and how you can do it |
| 10:28.41 | loadd77 | does someone of you guys has experience on installing oracle client on debian? |
| 10:28.45 | efort | hey thanks for the docs ref, np there |
| 10:28.46 | jim | gnite, gluck. |
| 10:29.03 | jim | you're welcoem |
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| 10:29.27 | starfish_ | i also get an error sayin spurious 8259a interrupt: IRQ7 |
| 10:30.03 | starfish_ | when my gdm is about to load i get an error saying this version of xfree86 has been extensively modified by the debian project and is not supported by the xfree86 project... i also get an error sayin spurious 8259a interrupt: IRQ7 |
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| 10:31.06 | cahoot | starfish_: isn't the first just a message - the second is non-malignant AFAIK - google might give you more |
| 10:31.36 | jm_ | I also see that with 2.6 kernel, just ignore it |
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| 10:31.55 | starfish_ | i dunno but it pissin me off |
| 10:32.11 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: Still there? |
| 10:32.46 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: After creating environments with trac-admin, |
| 10:33.07 | cahoot | starfish_: might take it up with Alan Cox - he's written on the subject |
| 10:33.07 | sanxiyn | ScriptAlias /project/foo /path/to/trac.cgi |
| 10:33.26 | sanxiyn | <Location "/project/foo"> SetEnv TRAC_ENV "/path/to/env" </Location> |
| 10:33.33 | sanxiyn | Repeat for foo, bar, baz, quux. |
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| 10:34.18 | sanxiyn | Probably there are smarter ways, but above works. |
| 10:34.19 | Nemesis__ | .pdpc ? |
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| 10:35.51 | starfish_ | well i started out with my gdm lookin all grainy tonight so someone told me to go to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick nv because my video card is a nvidia and i went through the reconfigure xserver then restarted and now i get that message |
| 10:36.31 | valdyn | starfish_: which? the "...modified..." ? |
| 10:36.43 | starfish_ | i also get an error sayin spurious 8259a interrupt: IRQ7 |
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| 10:36.51 | Space_NL | i am reading my syslog .. seems that proftpd randomly delays with 100 up to 900 usecs .. why is that, and is that how it should be ? |
| 10:36.56 | starfish_ | sorry heres the message |
| 10:37.05 | starfish_ | when my gdm is about to load i get an error saying this version of xfree86 has been extensively modified by the debian project and is not supported by the xfree86 project |
| 10:37.19 | valdyn | starfish_: everyone gets that mmodified message, everyone using debians X. Its not an error. |
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| 10:37.25 | Sontek | what are the differences between ubuntu and debian? |
| 10:37.28 | Noprem | hi all, i have a VERY BIG problem, somebody here can help me? |
| 10:37.41 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Ubuntu is not Debian, Debian is Debian. |
| 10:37.42 | starfish_ | why wont gdm start now |
| 10:37.44 | starfish_ | ? |
| 10:37.50 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: ##linux or #ubuntu |
| 10:38.13 | ricky_clarkson | starfish_: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 10:38.25 | sanxiyn | Sontek: http://patches.ubuntulinux.org/patches/ |
| 10:38.30 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Those are differences. |
| 10:38.32 | valdyn | starfish_: i cant know w/o you telling us an error message, the "...modified.." is not an error message |
| 10:38.40 | SlayerXP | sanxiyn: was afk. |
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| 10:38.51 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: np |
| 10:39.01 | SlayerXP | sanxiyn: the problem is that when I browse the site I see the _source_ of the CGI |
| 10:39.01 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: Does my explanation make sense? |
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| 10:39.09 | nksen | I added a new user via 'adduser' now I'm able to get this user with 'su foo' and entering the password. but remote login via ssh fails, any suggestions? |
| 10:39.09 | sanxiyn | SlayerXP: Oh. |
| 10:39.09 | starfish_ | im gonna try what ricky said hold on |
| 10:39.10 | Sontek | ricky: I read that ubuntu is based off of debian. So I wanted to know the differences. Why would I go to a generica linux channel for that |
| 10:39.15 | valdyn | starfish_: goess you used the vga or the vesa driver before you used nv |
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| 10:39.41 | SlayerXP | sanxiyn: if I call the cgi directly I get "TRAC_ENV" not set, or thereabout, which is expected. |
| 10:39.42 | ncp | i have set up tightvnc. i connect and a window starts op, but just grey backgound, the mouse works fine but nothing happens when i click. anyone know what might be wrong? |
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| 10:39.56 | nksen | solved |
| 10:40.01 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Because Ubuntu is off-topic here, and Debian might be off-topic in #ubuntu (I don't know). |
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| 10:40.52 | valdyn | ncp: you started a plain X, no session, no window manager, no desktop environment. Look at tightvnc docs to see how to get one, i dont know |
| 10:40.58 | starfish_ | i tried that command and got bashed |
| 10:41.08 | starfish_ | no such file or directory |
| 10:41.26 | ricky_clarkson | starfish_: That wasn't a command, it was a file to read. |
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| 10:41.45 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, But Debian is not off-topic and I was asking for a comparison/any differences. So don't be a dick. If you don't know, just don't say anything. If you do know, why play the run around game and just be like "They use a different installer, or have developed their own something.." |
| 10:42.19 | valdyn | Sontek: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 10:43.09 | starfish_ | /var/log/xfree86.0.log |
| 10:43.13 | starfish_ | lol |
| 10:43.24 | ricky_clarkson | starfish_: Case-sensitive. |
| 10:43.42 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: In this channel, we discuss Debian. We don't know or care about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is more likely to know or care about Debian though because Ubuntu is based on Debian. I'm not being a 'dick', despite my name, I'm trying to point you to somewhere where your questions might be answered. |
| 10:43.50 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting #ubuntu |
| 10:43.50 | starfish_ | what is it again? |
| 10:43.50 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support #ubuntu too. Try ##ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 10:43.55 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Ubuntu Warty is Debian unstable at some point with http://patches.ubuntulinux.org/patches/ applied. Ubuntu hoary will have even more patches applied. |
| 10:44.02 | ricky_clarkson | starfish_: It's the Page Up key. |
| 10:44.08 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, Your right to speak have been revoked, Blink once for yes, twice for no. |
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| 10:44.24 | valdyn | Sontek: debian has ~15000 supported packages, ubunta around 800 and uses plain recompiled debian packages for the remaining 14000 |
| 10:44.52 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Ubuntu has official support for AMD64, unlike Debian today. |
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| 10:45.11 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Suit yourself, but the channel ops will boot you eventually if you keep asking about off-topic stuff. |
| 10:45.17 | Sontek | valdyn, I've read that and it says "Best package manager" "incredible ammounts of software" etc.. and if Ubuntu is based off of Debian it should have those too :P |
| 10:45.19 | Plastic | doesn anyone know on which sarge CD I can find libsdl and its dependencies? |
| 10:45.25 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, Stop talking. |
| 10:45.26 | sanxiyn | Sontek: It has different archive structure ("core" vs "universe" thing), and different package selection mechanism. |
| 10:45.30 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: No. |
| 10:45.38 | sanxiyn | Eh, not really package selection. (ponders better term) |
| 10:45.47 | valdyn | Sontek: yea, the basic management tools are identical |
| 10:45.53 | Sontek | sanxiyn, that will come in handy since I run amd64 :P |
| 10:46.08 | sanxiyn | Sontek: That makes sense. |
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| 10:46.14 | Phated | Debian runs on amd64. Currently unofficially, but still. |
| 10:46.32 | Sontek | Yeah, but a compiled set of amd64 packages will run better |
| 10:46.55 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Hm. Debian has AMD64 port, 98% compiled, last I heard. It's just not official. |
| 10:46.57 | cahoot | Phated: is it really debian if unofficial? |
| 10:47.03 | Phated | There is a whole amd64 CD and stuff. <shrug> But you're an ass, so you can bloody google for it yourself. |
| 10:47.03 | valdyn | Sontek: no, thats a little more complicated |
| 10:47.08 | sanxiyn | (not official, yet) |
| 10:47.16 | Phated | cahoot: It will be a supported arch in etch. |
| 10:47.30 | stuartSan | dang, someone dpkg'd me that network cards later than 2002 isn't supported in woody |
| 10:47.38 | stuartSan | and i can't run sarge's net-inst |
| 10:47.48 | Sontek | Phated, oooh, punishing me by sending me to google. Its not like I wasn't already there after you guys debian had a 64 cd :P |
| 10:47.51 | stuartSan | so should i just get the first 3 sarge cd's and get it over with |
| 10:48.16 | sanxiyn | Ubuntu has quite complex "software selection" mechanism, by which they choose "supported" core set of packages. |
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| 10:48.25 | Phated | Sontek: If you were alredy there, you should really just buzz off or like use Ubuntu, since you like it that much. |
| 10:48.42 | sanxiyn | There are "seeds", packages to avoid, and many tweaks, and they are fed to a big script called "geminate", etc. |
| 10:49.41 | Sontek | phated: Are you that ignorant? So if someone asked you "Who are you voting for Bush or Kerry?" You would say "Why don't you go suck bush's dick you bush lover!" |
| 10:49.45 | sanxiyn | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SeedManagement |
| 10:50.00 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Please keep the flames down. |
| 10:50.15 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, I'm just responding to his flame :) |
| 10:50.24 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: her flame, and don't bother. |
| 10:50.30 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, He made an ignorant comment and I pointed it out. |
| 10:50.35 | stuartSan | to have a basic sarge 'desktop package' all i need is the first 3 cd's right |
| 10:50.49 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Which ignorant comment? |
| 10:50.58 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: You're the ignoramus. Would you sit in a Spanish channel asking about French? |
| 10:50.59 | Sontek | <Phated> Sontek: If you were alredy there, you should really just buzz off or like use Ubuntu, since you like it that much. |
| 10:51.13 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, If I was asking for a comparison, yes. |
| 10:51.13 | valdyn | stuartSan: why dont you download the heap of packages over the net? |
| 10:51.20 | valdyn | stuartSan: then you need only cd1 |
| 10:51.24 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Then you'd just annoy los espanolas. |
| 10:51.41 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: Well, analogy to language is a bit unfair... |
| 10:51.47 | Ronin | stuartSan: in fact you only need one mini disk and you can do a net install |
| 10:51.49 | stuartSan | valdyn: someone here recommended me earlier to just install the 'default package' and not do any downloading myself since i was having trouble with getting pppoe to work on sarge |
| 10:51.52 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, I didn't ask for help on Ubuntu, nor did I say I was running it. I asked for a comparison between DEBIAN (which this channel is) and Ubuntu (Which is based off of.. guess what.. DEBIAN) |
| 10:51.54 | sanxiyn | It's certainly possible to ask about Windows on Linux channel, no? |
| 10:52.06 | pngwn | no |
| 10:52.06 | stuartSan | net-inst is the problem, seems to have a bug with sarge's net-inst and ppp/pppoe |
| 10:52.14 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: How are we supposed to know about Ubuntu? We use Debian. |
| 10:52.16 | Space_NL | could someone just kick him out instead of 10 people trying to talk him out ? |
| 10:52.17 | sanxiyn | Hm, some thinks the answer is no. |
| 10:52.18 | sanxiyn | Well. |
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| 10:52.30 | Ronin | stuartSan: ya i saw your response as soon as i hit enter |
| 10:52.33 | stuartSan | which is why i'm opting to just go for the debian-installer with mostly everything i need in 1 install (driver support etc) |
| 10:52.43 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: It's possible that someone knows, from curiosity, etc. |
| 10:52.50 | stuartSan | do i need the first 3 or just cd #1 for sarge |
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| 10:53.00 | ricky_clarkson | sanxiyn: The standard answer: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 10:53.00 | stuartSan | to have basically everything i need for a linux multimedia system |
| 10:53.04 | sanxiyn | (Or because he moved out of Ubuntu to Debian after disappointed, etc.) |
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| 10:53.09 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, I'm sure not everyone here has kept from indulging themselves in a little curiousity of what ubuntu has to offer. |
| 10:53.24 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, Like I said before, If you don't know, just don't answer. |
| 10:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Indeed, I looked into it myself. |
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| 10:53.51 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, So then why all the hastle? |
| 10:53.52 | ricky_clarkson | And when I wanted to talk about it, I joined #ubuntu. They were most helpful on the TOPIC. |
| 10:54.02 | stuartSan | with the 'default package' installed i might have a chance getting pppoe to work, instead of net-inst's base o/s |
| 10:54.24 | valdyn | stuartSan: first CD should suffice for that |
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| 10:54.31 | brosio | why if i'm burning a dvd all my internet connection go down ? |
| 10:54.38 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, I want to know why Debian users prefer Debian over Ubuntu. Then I'll compare it to the responses I got from Ubuntu users who prefer it over debian. |
| 10:54.40 | pngwn | Sontek, what part of 'it's off topic' don't you understand? |
| 10:54.44 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 10:55.05 | brosio | hi i have a little problem if i'm burining a dvd all internet connection go down... |
| 10:55.07 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, You can't ask an emacs user why emacs is better than vi without getting the store of why vi users use it rather than emacs |
| 10:55.09 | ukh | what's /srv ? |
| 10:55.11 | stuartSan | valdyn: so first CD has gnome,kde and most driver support etc? |
| 10:55.15 | Sontek | ricky_clarkson, I already answerd the why debian response |
| 10:55.22 | ricky_clarkson | Sontek: Why? |
| 10:55.23 | sanxiyn | Sontek: My personal opinion: I found there's not much difference, but I wanted Haskell and free Java dev packages, which I need to resort to unsupported universe to get in Ubuntu. |
| 10:55.24 | Sontek | here, i'll scroll up and copy and paste it. |
| 10:55.29 | brosio | why happened this ? |
| 10:55.43 | valdyn | stuartSan: driver support, evreything you need to get pppoe going i think, no idea about desktop environment(s) |
| 10:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | brosio: Does ifconfig only show the loopback interface? |
| 10:56.07 | brosio | no |
| 10:56.12 | stuartSan | okay then i'll just download 3 cd's as recommended since i'm going out anyways |
| 10:56.18 | nvz | starfish_: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 10:56.22 | brosio | i have dhcpd and it *always* works |
| 10:56.27 | sanxiyn | Sontek: The other obvious point to prefer Debian over Ubuntu is that lack of KDE in Ubuntu. |
| 10:56.40 | ricky_clarkson | sanxiyn: That's a good point FOR Ubuntu ;) |
| 10:56.43 | stuartSan | am looking forward for all driver support, soundcard,video,network etc and and xwin etc in only 1 install |
| 10:56.46 | stuartSan | so i'll be away. |
| 10:56.49 | Sontek | sanxiyn, not for enlightenment users 8) |
| 10:56.50 | nvz | starfish_: so you can read the log and tell them what is actually causing the server to crash.. you can hit the "End" key and read it from the bottom, up because the most relevant errors are likely at the bottom. |
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| 10:57.17 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: Others may disagree... |
| 10:57.36 | sanxiyn | Sontek: I think it's understandable for non-GNOME users, Debian is preferred over Ubuntu. |
| 10:57.44 | Phated | You're unable to install KDE in Ubuntu, then? I thought it was just that Gnome was the default. |
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| 10:57.53 | sanxiyn | Phated: It's less supported. |
| 10:57.58 | Phated | Ah. |
| 10:58.02 | sanxiyn | (And some reported breakage, etc.) |
| 10:58.04 | valdyn | KDE is in multiverse i suppose, so not supported |
| 10:58.05 | sanxiyn | (even FTBFS) |
| 10:58.10 | Sontek | sanxiyn, Yes, But wouldn't a debian deb of kde work in ubuntu? |
| 10:58.24 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Not really. Read Ubuntu lists. |
| 10:58.47 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Some wanted to get only k3b on Ubuntu, and had failed for some time. (I think it's resolved now, btw) |
| 10:58.51 | valdyn | Sontek: that would be fucked up, mixing C++ software off different gcc releases |
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| 11:00.33 | Sontek | valdyn, I'm not that great with linux, but isn't gcc a compiler? And aren't debs precompiled? So wouldn't the binary work just fine if you were on the correct platform? |
| 11:00.36 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Anyway, it's not like they are different much... Some may care much for differences (like "Places" menu in GNOME, now included officially in 2.10), some don't care. |
| 11:00.48 | nvz | starfish_: when people give you filenames or commands, make use of tab-completion, to see if they exist and to save you work, .. like le[tab][tab] it will flash at you the first time telling you there is more than one command that starts with le and then on the 2nd tab it will list all commands beginning with les[tab] /v[tab]/lo[tab][tab][tab]/XF[tab] is the same as typing less /var/log/XFree86.0.log, but with 9 less keystrokes, and the shell chec |
| 11:00.57 | sanxiyn | (And no Trash on Desktop, etc.) |
| 11:01.03 | Sontek | sanxiyn, but they use the same installer and both use apt and everything? |
| 11:01.12 | sanxiyn | But then I know how to remove Trash from Desktop as I want. |
| 11:01.15 | sanxiyn | Sontek: Yes. |
| 11:01.41 | valdyn | Sontek: theres technical reasons why you cannot mix compiled C++ stuff off different gcc releases, simply. |
| 11:01.53 | sanxiyn | btw, I have sudo setup similar to Ubuntu default. Good choice. |
| 11:01.55 | valdyn | Sontek: no need to understand details, just know it wont work |
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| 11:03.22 | starfish_ | ive givin up on the xserver ill probably just reinstall sarge |
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| 11:03.51 | sanxiyn | Sontek: It is rumored that Ubuntu has better X detection, but as both detects my display fine, I can't test. |
| 11:04.08 | sanxiyn | (Like resolution probing) |
| 11:04.09 | nvz | starfish_: it still has you configure the X server when you install, just the same way dpkg-reconfigure does |
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| 11:04.30 | Sontek | sanxiyn, does ubuntu use grub or are they still using lilo too? |
| 11:04.31 | nvz | starfish_: either way you are still configuring X with debconf |
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| 11:04.43 | starfish_ | i did that and now have more problems |
| 11:04.45 | sanxiyn | Sontek: GRUB, same as Debian testing/unstable now. |
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| 11:04.49 | nvz | my fucking headache is comming back |
| 11:04.49 | valdyn | Sontek: debian and ubuntu both use grub by default |
| 11:05.00 | rob^ | grr@grub |
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| 11:05.18 | starfish_ | am i your headache? |
| 11:05.31 | nvz | but Gian'Iggle is gonna be open in 15 minutes, I can go get me a blunt, and solve this problem |
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| 11:06.24 | starfish_ | it wont start gdm now it says my xserver is not set up correctly |
| 11:06.27 | nvz | starfish_: you're always a bit of a headache, because you fail to grok and fundamentals of linux, and it makes it hard to help you with your issues. |
| 11:06.38 | jm_ | ;) |
| 11:06.41 | nvz | but my headache is from drinking I am sure |
| 11:06.44 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
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| 11:06.51 | Enforcer_JB | when I use Debian's "make-kpkg" to compile 2.4.29, the "asm" symlink to include/asm-i386 gets created in the top level dir, not in include/. Where can I fix this? |
| 11:07.09 | nvz | I don't drink much, and I was drinking beer and liquer monday night, and somehow its still got be feeling like shit |
| 11:07.11 | Zvpun | where would I find the logs of the Project leader election IRC debate? |
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| 11:07.52 | sanxiyn | http://people.debian.org/~mjr/debian_dpl_debate.html |
| 11:07.56 | nvz | starfish_: you really need to get the tab-completion down.. its one of the wonders of the world. |
| 11:07.59 | sanxiyn | Zvpun: It was very exciting debate! |
| 11:08.02 | jm_ | Zvpun: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00507.html |
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| 11:08.25 | sanxiyn | jm_: Eh, debate is finished now. |
| 11:08.39 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes |
| 11:08.47 | Zvpun | sanxiyn: unfortunately I was sleeping at that time :-) |
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| 11:08.53 | starfish_ | well if i reinstall sarge atleast i can get to gdm although it looks like shit |
| 11:09.05 | bobesponja | how do I know what default is default encoding in bash and how can I change it to utf-8? |
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| 11:09.12 | nvz | starfish_: saves you time and aggravation. if you type something, hit tab and it beeps at you, its either an invalid command/filename or its an ambigous command/filename, which if so, you can hit tab again and it will show you all the ambiguous matches, if not it beeps or flashes the screen again |
| 11:09.27 | calmar | hi all, I did an U in aptitude, and now many packets are missing. (mutt, X server..) I think they have c flags. Any hint what to do now? manually install them again? |
| 11:09.30 | bobesponja | i meant how do I know what is default encoding in bash and how can I change it to utf-8? |
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| 11:09.46 | sanxiyn | bobesponja: locale |
| 11:09.53 | valdyn | bobesponja: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 11:09.58 | sanxiyn | bobesponja: After that, set "LANG" appropriately. |
| 11:10.00 | Zvpun | jm_: is there a link to the IRC logs in that message? I meight read more carefully in that case. |
| 11:10.05 | bobesponja | k |
| 11:10.11 | sanxiyn | Zvpun: It's here: http://people.debian.org/~mjr/debian_dpl_debate.html |
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| 11:10.19 | Zvpun | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 11:10.34 | bobesponja | sanxiyn how can I set LANG? |
| 11:10.36 | jm_ | Zvpun: no, I was thinking of checking the replies in its thread, but it's not there either, might be in another message |
| 11:10.37 | sanxiyn | Zvpun: (But not #debian-dpl-discuss log. Only official debate.) |
| 11:11.02 | sanxiyn | Namely this message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00671.html |
| 11:11.54 | sanxiyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.58 | sanxiyn | (Interesting Q.) |
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| 11:12.35 | sanxiyn | Line 596 |
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| 11:14.09 | starfish_ | nvz did you bring back any power supplies? |
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| 11:14.20 | nvz | starfish_: nope |
| 11:15.08 | Space_NL | aaaargh, i get TOTALY fed up by proftpd .. it seems it only allowes me to upload 300/500 meg .. while i am trying to upload entire cds .. dont find any error messages .. it wont resume .. what could i do ? |
| 11:15.22 | starfish_ | man i have too many pcs just sitting here taking up valueable apartment space |
| 11:15.24 | nvz | starfish_: I am sitting here using a 14" monitor, half a pc, broken speakers, and playing the air-guitar. I didn't bring much with me, I am using what I got here |
| 11:15.56 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: Too bad. |
| 11:16.05 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: Switch to vsftpd (hehe) |
| 11:16.07 | starfish_ | what about ram for this old pc im building my parents |
| 11:16.31 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: Well, I heard that ProFTPD too is a venerable daemon... |
| 11:16.35 | nvz | starfish_: needs what? 72pin SIMMs? |
| 11:16.49 | starfish_ | yeah |
| 11:16.52 | yang_ | Anyone knows what are the correct values for oidentd to work? |
| 11:17.01 | sanxiyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.10 | Space_NL | sanxiyn: doesnt sound like "solving" does it ? anyways .. i dont understand .. it runs perfectly fine on my woody machine .. and now the same deamon and same config file dont work on my new server .. |
| 11:17.30 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: Weird... I am sorry I can't help. |
| 11:18.00 | starfish_ | nvz the shorter ones |
| 11:18.03 | nvz | starfish_: I had 4x 64MB SIMM, one came up missing its probably at steve's house.. I had bought them for my old pc's they were only $8 a piece its dirt cheap if you can find someone who actually got the shit in stock |
| 11:18.52 | starfish_ | so i guess you dont have anymore? |
| 11:19.06 | nvz | I got 3 of em, I dont know what happend to the other one |
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| 11:19.39 | starfish_ | well this has 4 but i think there smaller than 64 |
| 11:19.42 | calmar | why would U (mark upgradeable packets) removome packets without reinstallen them? on aptitude? or did I something wrong with clicking U + g |
| 11:19.46 | sanxiyn | <martin_krafft> if you could not vote for yourself, whom would you vote and why? (line 663) |
| 11:19.49 | Space_NL | sanxiyn: np .. thnx anyways |
| 11:20.07 | nvz | starfish_: 4x64 would be 256MB |
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| 11:21.39 | starfish_ | i know chads gonna be bitchin about gettin his pc back but i never had this stupid problem before |
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| 11:22.01 | nvz | starfish_: you don't even seem to know what the problem is, and that is a problem |
| 11:22.09 | toresbe | hmmm |
| 11:22.17 | toresbe | tomorrow is my birthday |
| 11:22.20 | dalecp | hello! anyone may help me with installing phpbb2 on debian? |
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| 11:22.30 | toresbe | I'm making a wishlist |
| 11:22.32 | sanxiyn | Real gem: "I'd be a good DPL because I am FEARLESS, just like my namesake Jonathan, son of Shaul, who climbed up a cliff and singlehandedly attacked an entire Philistine fortress." (line 709) |
| 11:22.32 | sanxiyn | lol |
| 11:22.34 | nvz | toresbe: you a teenager now? heh |
| 11:22.44 | dalecp | i made apt-get install phpbb2 and don't know how to continue. |
| 11:22.49 | starfish_ | well now it says it cant start the xserver because its not set up correctly |
| 11:23.05 | toresbe | I want some books - what should I wish for after the C Programming Language |
| 11:23.07 | starfish_ | i chose nv like you guys said |
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| 11:23.57 | Phated | toresbe: The Linux Programming Bible? |
| 11:24.08 | nvz | starfish_: its pretty simple, the X server generates a log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log and in that log it tells you every little detail, what config file it uses, what it does step by step and what goes wrong |
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| 11:24.28 | valdyn | toresbe: Algorithms and Structures by Robert Sedgewick |
| 11:24.51 | nvz | starfish_: usually the bottom of the log shows the errors which caused the server not to start. |
| 11:24.54 | starfish_ | when i type that in a console it dont do shit |
| 11:24.54 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Aleph by Jorge Luis Borges |
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| 11:25.43 | calmar | starfish_: you installed xserver-common and xserver-xfree86? I guess so? |
| 11:25.45 | gringo | hi, I need help configuring my nat server.. I tried every tutorial I could find but none of them worked :( |
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| 11:26.21 | starfish_ | let me look |
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| 11:27.43 | starfish_ | yep |
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| 11:27.58 | starfish_ | let me try that other command again |
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| 11:29.40 | Space_NL | AAARGH, when i ask people why i cant upload full files in frotftpd .. why cant someone just tell me that i am stupid and should do a df -h to see my harddisk is simply full ? |
| 11:29.54 | Space_NL | i trust on u people to call me n00b and tell me i am too stupid! |
| 11:29.56 | sanxiyn | Space_NL: ... |
| 11:30.11 | Space_NL | that is why i come here :o) |
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| 11:30.33 | sanxiyn | bye |
| 11:30.45 | starfish_ | hey im using the tab button and when i get to xfree in that line it just beep |
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| 11:31.26 | asperon | is there anyway to get php to use the bundled GD instead of libgd (i want to use the imagerotate function)? |
| 11:31.38 | asperon | ie, when installing via apt-get |
| 11:31.57 | starfish_ | the command is /var/log/XFree86.0.log right? |
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| 11:33.25 | calmar | starfish_: I think its a log file, not a command. less /var/log/XF... maybe |
| 11:33.53 | starfish_ | do i type it in a console as root? |
| 11:35.14 | calmar | starfish_: here, it word-readable. yeah, type it into a console: less ....file |
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| 11:35.36 | calmar | starfish_: then you can navigate with space and u and j and k |
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| 11:36.56 | Phated | Or just up and down. ;) |
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| 11:38.35 | gringo | hi, I need help configuring my nat server.. I tried every tutorial I could find but none of them worked :( |
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| 11:39.56 | Space_NL | hey, i got this mounted: tmpfs 189M 0 189M 0% /dev/shm |
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| 11:40.15 | Space_NL | and i know very sure that i only have one hdd .. and its not in fstab |
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| 11:41.25 | asperon | is there anyway to get the php installed via apt-get (php4) to use the bundled GD instead of libgd (i want to use the imagerotate function)? |
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| 11:41.44 | valdyn | Space_NL: surprisingle /dev/shm is not a harddisk but shared memory used by your libc6 |
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| 11:43.30 | Zvpun | lars|dk: man mail |
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| 11:44.22 | cafuego | well |
| 11:44.22 | Space_NL | valdyn: aha, so .. umounting it is not a good idea ? |
| 11:44.26 | ]Elvis[ | does anyone here know how to kill a socket with sockstat? |
| 11:44.36 | valdyn | Space_NL: nope, leave it as it is |
| 11:44.37 | Space_NL | valdyn. is that new as from sarge or ? |
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| 11:44.50 | cafuego | Space_NL: You can unmount it as long as nothing is using IPC shared memory |
| 11:44.55 | valdyn | Space_NL: yea, that was not in woody |
| 11:45.08 | SUSU | hi, i am using now debian stable, how can i upgrade my server into woody version? |
| 11:45.17 | cafuego | Space_NL: It's a *kernel* feature, not a debian version specific thing. |
| 11:45.22 | Space_NL | SUSU: woody = stable |
| 11:45.28 | cafuego | SUSU: Woody = stable. |
| 11:45.59 | Space_NL | cafuego: my 1 chance to help a user .. i never get to actualy answer in herew .. i usualy ask :o) |
| 11:46.08 | cafuego | SUSU: Unless you installed from potato. |
| 11:46.13 | SUSU | so how can i upgrade mysqlserver version 3.x to 4.x ? |
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| 11:46.17 | Space_NL | cafuego: but thnx for the info .. but as its only a few mb .. i might aswell just leave it be |
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| 11:46.31 | ]Elvis[ | anyone? does anyone know how to close a socket with sockstat? |
| 11:46.40 | cafuego | Space_NL: *nod* You can check if it's being used by running 'ipcs' |
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| 11:47.11 | cafuego | tomky: Don't do that. |
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| 11:47.37 | tomky | ok :) |
| 11:47.44 | Space_NL | cafuego: doesnt look like its used .. but it returns every reboot .. so dont go for the hasstle and just leave it be .. thnx though! |
| 11:48.01 | cafuego | *nod* |
| 11:48.07 | cafuego | sorry, *knik* |
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| 11:48.18 | SUSU | so how can i upgrade mysqlserver version 3.x to 4.x ? |
| 11:48.21 | Space_NL | lol |
| 11:48.59 | cafuego | SUSU: You don't. mysql 4 isn't in stable. |
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| 11:49.07 | lars|dk | Zvpun: are there other ways to do it? |
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| 11:49.30 | Zvpun | lars|dk: yes, use /usr/bin/sendmail and google for it |
| 11:49.43 | ]Elvis[ | is there anyone here with some knowledge about sockstat? |
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| 11:50.06 | calmar | cafuego: when he wants anyway? |
| 11:50.16 | daveola | Question: I'm on debian woody. I just used backports.org to add 2.6.7 kernel. Everything works except X, when I start it I get: "Cannot open mouse" - none of the mouse configuration has changed. I've googled and seen similar complaints but no answers. |
| 11:50.32 | daveola | PS mouse, worked fine under 2.2 kernel. |
| 11:50.35 | cafuego | calmar: He or she must realise he or she doesn't want to. |
| 11:50.38 | SUSU | <cafuego> yes i know that, but my current database using mysql server version 4.x and now move to another server using mysql 3.x and it say that there is systax error .. so i think i must upgrade mysql to 4.x in order to restore my databse to new server |
| 11:50.40 | valdyn | Space_NL: /dev/shm might still be used i think, "ls /dev/shm/" |
| 11:50.44 | calmar | cafuego: aha, :) |
| 11:50.48 | SUSU | <cafuego> do you know a solution ? |
| 11:51.15 | cafuego | SUSU: Your code doesn't run or you can't import you data? |
| 11:51.24 | SUSU | i cant import data |
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| 11:51.36 | cafuego | SUSU: How did you export the data? With mysqldump? |
| 11:52.07 | SUSU | i use Vbulletin and export from Vbulletin adminCP |
| 11:52.21 | SUSU | and also use phpmyadmin to export |
| 11:53.05 | cafuego | SUSU: Yes, they probably complain about table formats. *sigh* Ok. Add a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:53.11 | as13 | #mldonkey |
| 11:53.16 | as13 | q |
| 11:53.28 | cafuego | SUSU: One that contains "deb-src http://........./ testing main" |
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| 11:53.46 | SUSU | which line? |
| 11:53.54 | cafuego | SUSU: This *may* not work, as mysql4 may require deps from testing.. but we'll try anyway. |
| 11:53.59 | lars|dk | Zvpun: hmm can figur the mail thing out, can you give me an example of sending a mail with cmd mail |
| 11:54.13 | cafuego | SUSU: Add a line. a deb-src line that points at testing. |
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| 11:55.03 | SUSU | oh ok |
| 11:55.08 | SUSU | let me try thx |
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| 11:55.11 | calmar | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main maybe? |
| 11:55.19 | cafuego | For instance. |
| 11:55.30 | _morbid_ | whats the procedure to upgrade from debian 3.0 stable to testing under sparc dist? |
| 11:55.47 | cafuego | _morbid_: Same as any other arch. |
| 11:55.49 | double_c | lars|dk: echo "Hi there" | mail -s "subject" user@domain |
| 11:55.56 | holycow | just to confirm, there only official cd releases of debian are woody, correct? |
| 11:56.08 | cafuego | holycow: yep. 3.0r4 I think |
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| 11:56.21 | ]Elvis[ | anyone here with some knowladge about psyBNC? |
| 11:56.22 | cafuego | holycow: The semi-official sarge ones work fine, though |
| 11:56.28 | _morbid_ | cafuego I am experiencing ciclic references trying to install libc6 |
| 11:56.32 | daveola | So - am I not asking my mouse question under the right forum? |
| 11:56.39 | _morbid_ | s/ciclic references/ciclic dependences |
| 11:56.51 | _morbid_ | I have installed debian 3 times in the sparc because of this problem |
| 11:56.55 | cafuego | _morbid_: Have all the packages already downloaded? |
| 11:57.01 | _morbid_ | cafuego yes |
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| 11:57.33 | holycow | cafuego, thank you |
| 11:57.34 | cafuego | _morbid_: You can force an install by specifying all codependent package sin a single 'dpkg -i foo.deb foo2.deb foo3.deb' command |
| 11:57.35 | lars|dk | double_c: works thanks, what if i want to attach a file? |
| 11:57.38 | _morbid_ | cafuego: the problem is that I need a new kernel to use the new libc6, but the new kernel's dependents needs the new libc6 to install |
| 11:57.50 | valdyn | _morbid_: are you using aptitude to upgrade ? or plain apt-get? |
| 11:57.57 | double_c | lars|dk: dunno, guess you would have to uuencode it then pipe the output to mail |
| 11:58.01 | holycow | i'm helping someone on another board choose debian, yet the fucking retard refuses to download d-i and insists on downloading woody to install |
| 11:58.13 | _morbid_ | valdyn plain apt-get as in 5.3.2 section of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
| 11:58.18 | holycow | how can users be so fucking stupid? |
| 11:58.20 | cafuego | _morbid_: Alternatively, you can install the kernel with '-force-depends' - just be SURE all deps are fixed before you reboot. |
| 11:58.33 | lars|dk | double_c: istn there a attach function in mail? |
| 11:58.34 | Zvpun | lars|dk: mail -s subject foo@bar.net < body.txt |
| 11:58.35 | Rawplayer | holycow: you where not born smart to |
| 11:58.38 | cafuego | holycow: Just let him |
| 11:58.42 | valdyn | _morbid_: apt-get breaks on woody->sarge, though i have no idea if that is specifically your problem try aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 11:58.52 | SUSU | cafuego, this is error message "ERROR 1064 at line 2: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1' at line 6 |
| 11:58.55 | double_c | lars|dk: I don't know, only ever used it in scripts to send messages |
| 11:59.00 | _morbid_ | woody is 3.0? |
| 11:59.03 | SUSU | i fixed ask you say |
| 11:59.05 | ]Elvis[ | cafuego do you know anything about sockstat? |
| 11:59.07 | _morbid_ | and sarge is the testing one? |
| 11:59.08 | valdyn | _morbid_: yes |
| 11:59.08 | martha | How can I check if a particular drive is taking advantage of DMA? |
| 11:59.11 | SUSU | and there is still that error |
| 11:59.11 | _morbid_ | humm |
| 11:59.22 | _morbid_ | I will reinstall again :'( |
| 11:59.30 | cafuego | SUSU: yeah... mysql 3 probably doesn't know about MYISAM tables. |
| 11:59.31 | double_c | lars|dk: I doubt it though, I think you need to uuencode and mail the output from that |
| 11:59.48 | valdyn | _morbid_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 11:59.53 | Zvpun | lars|dk: or use mail foo@bar << EOF |
| 11:59.53 | cafuego | _morbid_: No, don't reinstall just fix up what you have now. |
| 11:59.56 | Zvpun | lars|dk: .... |
| 11:59.56 | daveola | So can someone tell me if at least you can see my messages? I'm not a regular irc user... |
| 11:59.59 | Zvpun | lars|dk: EOF |
| 12:00.07 | cafuego | SUSU: Make a copy of your exported datafile. |
| 12:00.10 | daveola | double_c: try mpack |
| 12:00.11 | SUSU | cafuego so any idea how to upgrade to mysql 4.x? |
| 12:00.16 | lars|dk | Zvpun: mail -s subject foo@bar.net < body.txt doesnt work |
| 12:00.30 | cafuego | SUSU: Edit the copy. Remove "ENGINE=MyISAM" from everywhere |
| 12:00.30 | double_c | lars|dk: see what daveola just said ^^^ |
| 12:00.40 | Zvpun | lars|dk: why not? |
| 12:00.48 | cafuego | SUSU: Then see if you can import the copy into mysql 3. |
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| 12:01.06 | lars|dk | Zvpun: ohh wait it does sorry my error. |
| 12:01.25 | daveola | Any thoughts on where I can figure out why my new kernel has lost my psaux mouse? |
| 12:01.45 | cafuego | daveola: The modules have different names undert the 2.6 kernel and it uses /dev/input/mice now. |
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| 12:04.02 | _morbid_ | thanks valdyn |
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| 12:04.40 | ksjertatrert | hi, I'm new and need a little help with my debian Server. So here is my Problem: I have several daemons running: NFS Server, Samba and a UML with IPCop and I want to configure the system so that the NFS-Server runs with the highest priority. But I don#t know how to do that with the initskript of the nfs daemon |
| 12:04.46 | cafuego | we're doing well in earthquake land this week |
| 12:05.38 | _morbid_ | anyway, I will have to upgrade |
| 12:05.38 | cafuego | ksjertatrert: Are you running a userpsace nfs server or the kernel one? |
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| 12:05.41 | _morbid_ | to reinstall |
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| 12:06.20 | cafuego | _morbid_: I'm sure the situation can be salvaged. |
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| 12:06.34 | cafuego | _morbid_: Are you in a position to paste errors into #flood? |
| 12:06.34 | ksjertatrert | i'm running the kernel nfs on kernel 2.4 |
| 12:06.59 | cafuego | ksjertatrert: You can't change the priority then. It runs as a kernel thread, they run as high as you can go. |
| 12:07.16 | _morbid_ | cafuego sure |
| 12:07.18 | Zta | Anyone here got any successful experince with bluetooth CF cards under GNU/Linux? Which ones work? |
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| 12:08.24 | ]Elvis[ | where can I see which package includes sockstat ? |
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| 12:09.02 | Zta | elvis, apt-file search sockstat |
| 12:09.03 | nksen | the settings in .Xdefaults are not read from X at startup. I always have to call 'xrdb -merge .Xdefaults' to make the settings take effect. how can I change this? |
| 12:09.33 | Zta | elvis, or dpkg -S sockstat |
| 12:09.43 | ]Elvis[ | that gives no results.. |
| 12:09.50 | Zta | elvis, give full path to sockstat |
| 12:09.52 | ksjertatrert | Well what can I do to provide the maximum perfomance, because when i'm streaming a video to the server i get timeouts is there any trick i can do? |
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| 12:10.14 | Zta | ...on second thought, that shouldn't matter. |
| 12:10.29 | ]Elvis[ | apt-file isn't a coammnd? |
| 12:10.53 | Zta | elvis, use dpkg then. Or install apt-file and run apt-file update |
| 12:10.56 | jm_ | it is once you install it |
| 12:11.09 | ]Elvis[ | damn..it can't find sockstat anywheere |
| 12:11.13 | ]Elvis[ | guess I have to compile it |
| 12:11.13 | ]Elvis[ | :P |
| 12:11.16 | jm_ | why would it? |
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| 12:21.14 | Unfrgiven | hey all. if a driver has crashed and I want to unload it and reload it, how do i do it? "rmmod -f ath_pci" is saying that the device or resource is busy even though the used count is 0. |
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| 12:21.45 | ]Elvis[ | can anyone tell me how I can kill a socket ..when it has no pid |
| 12:21.55 | ]Elvis[ | since it refuses to timeout |
| 12:21.57 | Zta | Anyone familiear with buildroot? I can't make it build my own package. |
| 12:22.50 | SUSU | i have just install mysql 4.1 how can i uninstall it? |
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| 12:24.19 | Unfrgiven | hey all. if a driver has crashed and I want to unload it and reload it, how do i do it? "rmmod -f ath_pci" is saying that the device or resource is busy even though the used count is 0. |
| 12:24.21 | Zta | SUSU, if you installed it as a package, you can uninstall it with apt-get remove. If you did make install on a simple tar-ball, you're most likely stuck. If you're lucky, you can do make uninstall. |
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| 12:24.38 | Zta | Man.. |
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| 12:27.49 | pa | ehlo |
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| 12:35.55 | cafuego | sooo quiet |
| 12:36.01 | Unfrgive1 | for some reason my /var/log/boot is no longer being updated. how do i fix the boot logger? |
| 12:36.32 | jm_ | Unfrgiven: start bootlogd |
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| 12:36.54 | jm_ | or rather, make sure it gets started |
| 12:37.04 | daveola | My dmesg is getting flooded with "Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed" - I see that other people are having this problem.. Any reason why they need this warning in there? |
| 12:38.58 | Unfrgive1 | jm_: which package is that in? |
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| 12:40.17 | jm_ | Unfrgive1: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:41.09 | Unfrgive1 | jm_: no response :( |
| 12:41.43 | jm_ | Unfrgive1: /msg ravenbird search |
| 12:42.11 | xpato | what its a RAS (ex Cisco Ras) |
| 12:42.22 | Unfrgive1 | jm_: no results found?!?!? |
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| 12:44.07 | valdyn | Unfrgive1: try again, dpkg works fine |
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| 12:44.52 | Unfrgive1 | valdyn: i typed "/msg dpkg search bootlogd" im getting no response |
| 12:45.23 | valdyn | Unfrgive1: type it again _withouth_ the bootlogd |
| 12:45.47 | petemc | Unfrgive1: try "/msg dpkg search" |
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| 12:48.41 | yelp | hmm i got problem |
| 12:48.47 | yelp | How to get new Xfce 4.2.x? |
| 12:48.54 | yelp | no debian package on official site:( |
| 12:48.59 | Witigonen | Hey everyone... quick question. Trying to set up X and I'm getting an, (II) XINPUT: Adding extended device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! and then a fatal server. |
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| 12:49.49 | valdyn | Witigonen: thats no error |
| 12:50.00 | valdyn | Witigonen: see if theres an error in your log |
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| 12:50.10 | yelp | anyone knows where to get new xfce 4.2.x? im having 4.0.x currently |
| 12:50.22 | ricky_clarkson | !info xfce sid |
| 12:50.34 | yelp | and the package site from official xfce homepage is broken |
| 12:50.36 | valdyn | yelp: maybe alioth.debian.org, but you probably shouldnt use experimental packages |
| 12:50.36 | yelp | !xfce |
| 12:50.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce, or xfce4 is newer, sexier, but still lightweight - apt-get install xfce4 |
| 12:50.44 | ricky_clarkson | !info xfce4 sid |
| 12:50.50 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 12:51.00 | yelp | valdyn i had xfce 4.2 working b4 but now i reinstalled debian and package is broke |
| 12:51.04 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: It's not been packaged yet. |
| 12:51.26 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: I'm sure the package maintainer would appreciate any help you could give in packaging it. |
| 12:51.29 | BG_Debian_ | The starting logo of my debian Woody box becomes scrambled after init process ends. Celeron300 i740 video |
| 12:52.00 | yelp | ricky_clarkson well the packages worked fine before, but now they are broken, and i need xfce 4.2 where i find it now? |
| 12:52.25 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: Not in Debian. |
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| 12:53.03 | valdyn | yelp: its on alioth, but again, these are experimental packages |
| 12:53.06 | Witigonen | valdyn: I'm getting a "Caught signal 11. Server aborting." That's the Fatal server error: at any rate. That's the only thing I'm seeing. |
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| 12:53.34 | yelp | valdyn what i gotta type to apt-get's sources.list to get it? |
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| 12:54.01 | valdyn | yelp: i wont tell you, if you cant use alioth than you shouldnt use experimental packages |
| 12:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | !alioth |
| 12:54.19 | dpkg | i guess alioth is http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html |
| 12:54.42 | ricky_clarkson | Is alioth more experimental than experimental? |
| 12:55.12 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: no, not per se, alioth is just pages / sites / whatever if the package managers / teams |
| 12:55.18 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 12:55.21 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: they can have there whatever they please |
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| 12:55.37 | yelp | !os cilliation |
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| 12:55.42 | yelp | !oscilliation |
| 12:55.48 | yelp | hmmrpf |
| 12:55.48 | ricky_clarkson | Alioth may approve other projects, such as "Any other project where you can convince the Alioth's |
| 12:55.51 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.11 | yelp | !alioth |
| 12:56.12 | dpkg | [alioth] http://alioth.debian.org, or debian's sourceforge server. see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200303/msg00024.html |
| 12:56.15 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: so a few teams at least use it to publish their packages that are neither in sid nor in exerimental ( yet ) |
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| 12:56.35 | ricky_clarkson | Why don't they put the packages in experimental? |
| 12:56.54 | Witigonen | valdyn: I rebooted and it worked, so I think there was some pid running that conflicted. |
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| 12:57.10 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: im not familiar with the process to tell, however i know that they go from alioth -> sid, not via experimental necessarily |
| 12:57.14 | yelp | valdyn i still cant make it work |
| 12:57.53 | valdyn | Witigonen: nice, i wouldnt know how to fix that error anyway |
| 12:58.21 | valdyn | yelp: are you able to use google? using alioth isnt harder |
| 12:58.32 | yelp | !os cillation |
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| 12:58.37 | yelp | !oscillation |
| 12:58.46 | yelp | i wanna get apt-get's address to os cillation |
| 12:58.47 | yelp | :/ |
| 12:59.19 | Witigonen | Okay, what's going to be the easiest way to set up my network? |
| 12:59.40 | xophEr | have you guys tried adobe reader 7 already? |
| 12:59.43 | valdyn | Witigonen: read the faq part about networking |
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| 12:59.55 | Witigonen | Thanks. |
| 13:00.22 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: apt-cache search oscillation |
| 13:00.22 | valdyn | Witigonen: used to be under "old sections" or something, dont let that repell you, its recent enough |
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| 13:01.14 | yelp | ricky_clarkson os cillation is a debian package site |
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| 13:01.44 | oKtosiTe | Is it easy to install sarge to a USB2 disk? |
| 13:02.03 | emcee | what's your definition of easy? |
| 13:02.28 | petemc | oKtosiTe: yes, fairly easy |
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| 13:02.33 | Witigonen | Hrm. Here's my problem. All my nVidia stuff isn't being recognized (nForce 2 integrated stuff on the mobo) |
| 13:02.55 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: Never heard of it. |
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| 13:03.20 | yelp | valdyn what was the name of that a...something again? |
| 13:03.28 | ricky_clarkson | yelp: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=os+cillation+debian&btnG=Search |
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| 13:05.17 | Witigonen | Okay, I just need to get a recent kernel. |
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| 13:06.48 | Witigonen | Is the 2.6 kernel included on the install dvd? |
| 13:07.14 | Witigonen | Er, got it. |
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| 13:10.09 | valdyn | yelp: http://alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 13:20.09 | Onno | when I try to install the new rdesktop package with ./configure I get an error message "couldn't find your OpenSSL library installtion dir" |
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| 13:20.58 | valdyn | Onno: apt-get install libssl-dev, i guess |
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| 13:24.40 | tzafrir | a) Is there any existing package that is part of Sarge or can be easily installed on Sarge server that would allow a reasonable approximation of shared calendaring with only free clients? |
| 13:24.52 | strk | do you know of any free text-based realaudio player ? |
| 13:25.14 | tzafrir | b) and with some of those clients are in windows? (I.e: not outlook/notes) |
| 13:25.19 | Coke | strk: I think mplayer can play realaudio |
| 13:25.21 | Ikarus | strk: mplayer |
| 13:25.26 | Coke | Ikarus: MUAHAHA! |
| 13:25.49 | tzafrir | mplay is a command-line interface for mplayer |
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| 13:26.04 | Coke | tzafrir: apt-get install apache apache-webdav or something similar. or apt-get install proftpd |
| 13:26.06 | strk | and mplayer is not command-line ? |
| 13:26.15 | Coke | strk: it is command line or gui |
| 13:26.17 | errm | anyone knows how i put this pinning into apt preferences? |
| 13:26.17 | JoergHepp | Hi |
| 13:26.25 | errm | i want to add bigger priority to another apt server |
| 13:26.27 | tzafrir | mplayer requires X IIRC |
| 13:26.29 | errm | someone help? |
| 13:26.31 | Coke | tzafrir: why the heck would you need a CLI for a CLI program? |
| 13:26.36 | Coke | tzafrir: no |
| 13:26.40 | strk | btw... apt-cache search gives no results for either mplayer or mplay |
| 13:26.42 | Ikarus | tzafrir: mplayer runs fine without X |
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| 13:27.02 | strk | (woody) |
| 13:27.06 | Coke | tzafrir: mplayer only requires X if you you want to use video out and you do not have aalib available |
| 13:27.16 | Coke | (mplayer can show video in console) |
| 13:27.24 | valdyn | strk: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:27.26 | errm | greycat: help me please? |
| 13:27.26 | Coke | greycat: for audio |
| 13:27.50 | greycat | errm: Don't Pin. There. That's the best and most helpful thing I can say to you. |
| 13:27.51 | errm | greycat: i gotta know how i can make preferences to apt-get, eg. i want site: www.os-works.com to have higher priority on apt-get |
| 13:27.55 | greycat | Pinning is vastly overrated and silly. |
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| 13:28.07 | Hajuu2 | hey |
| 13:28.10 | errm | greycat: but otherwise i cant get Xfce4.2 from os-networks |
| 13:28.20 | Coke | strk: I think vlc might have a console version too, but I'm, not sure. |
| 13:28.45 | greycat | errm: why? doesn't it have a higher version number than the version in the other sources in your file? |
| 13:28.53 | greycat | if it *doesn't* have a higher version, why do you want it? |
| 13:29.11 | strk | is the "patent" problem unavoidable when dealing with RealAudio streams ? |
| 13:29.11 | JoergHepp | How can I get a background window in icewm? |
| 13:29.19 | Hajuu2 | anybody here installed debian on an "oldworld" powermac before? |
| 13:29.23 | Coke | JoergHepp: icwembg or xsetroot |
| 13:29.40 | errm | greycat: yes it does, but why it says E: Broken Packages |
| 13:29.54 | Coke | JoergHepp: icewm is aiming towards light light light so functionality has been split up as to not bloat the actual wm |
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| 13:30.30 | JoergHepp | Coke. ok and thanks |
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| 13:31.31 | errm | anyone here who have installed xfce4.2 to debian using packages? |
| 13:32.22 | skrald | For some reason bold fonts in openoffice doesn't look bold. There is no difference in a bold and a non-bold font. I use debian unstable branch. What to do? |
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| 13:33.46 | SkippedySkop | hmm i'm doing mount -o remount,exec /tmp but when i check /etc/mstab it's just showing as ext3 rw,nodev but i can't see exec on there |
| 13:33.49 | elephantman | What is this process cycle : /etc/rcS.d |
| 13:33.53 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 13:35.23 | dka | elephantman: scripts starts in all runlevels 1-5 |
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| 13:36.11 | elephantman | dka: ok but "S" is not a number - Is it a start process either ? |
| 13:36.34 | strk | guess what: 7.4.3 is not affected ! |
| 13:36.36 | Hajuu2 | anybody here installed debian on an "oldworld" powermac before? |
| 13:37.08 | petemc | Hajuu2: years ago, yes |
| 13:37.34 | Hajuu2 | petemc: Any tips? apparently I need to do some large ammount of repartitioning |
| 13:37.46 | Hajuu2 | but I cant find any tool on the debian cd to do it |
| 13:38.03 | dka | elephantman: S means system (my guess) |
| 13:38.08 | petemc | Hajuu2: it was kinda awkward, i kept a small install of macos8 on the machine, and used bootx, not to be confused with osx's bootx, to load linux |
| 13:38.20 | elephantman | dka: ok thanx |
| 13:38.28 | errm | anyone who has experiences installing xfce 4.2 into debian? |
| 13:38.30 | errm | please help me out |
| 13:38.32 | Hajuu2 | bootx? |
| 13:38.34 | Hajuu2 | Whats that? |
| 13:38.45 | greycat | !tell errm about errors |
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| 13:39.29 | tzafrir | Hmmm... webdav looks like something that won't integrate well with a simple linux system. But I figure those details are left for different channels |
| 13:39.40 | petemc | Hajuu2: a boot loader |
| 13:39.55 | errm | When i type "apt-get install xfce4" (having os-works address on my sources.list only) it says the packages what i need and at the end: E: Broken packages |
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| 13:40.32 | errm | since debian package site dont have xfce 4.2 and only has xfce 4.0.5, then i gotta use os-works as described on xfce.org installation manual |
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| 13:40.48 | errm | ohwell, tought so...noone cant help me:( |
| 13:41.01 | James | help, i use "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" and i don't get the configuration questions like at install time |
| 13:41.21 | Hajuu2 | petemc: And what.. that will let me just boot from the cd nice and easy and then do everything through its installer? |
| 13:41.21 | tzafrir | James, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:41.30 | James | thanks! :)) |
| 13:42.08 | petemc | Hajuu2: its not that easy, its been a while since ive done it, did you read the install guide? |
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| 13:42.42 | tzafrir | errm: what exactly is your question? |
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| 13:43.43 | tzafrir | Please phrase it as a specific question and not as a general help request |
| 13:43.49 | errm | tzafrir: how can i get xfce4.2 to work |
| 13:44.04 | ricky_clarkson | !xfce4.2 |
| 13:44.07 | greycat | !tell errm ABOUT ERRORS |
| 13:44.19 | greycat | (AGAIN) |
| 13:44.24 | ricky_clarkson | !xfce4.2 is http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 |
| 13:44.24 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 13:44.40 | w0w0 | hi, somebody can recommend me any doc or url about the process to make a debian distro based? |
| 13:44.40 | ricky_clarkson | errm: XFCE 4.2 is not in Debian. |
| 13:44.41 | hackeron | How to I force an apt-get install? -- I want to install nvidia-glx, and already have nvidia-kernel installed. I try apt-get install --ignore-missing --force-yes nvidia-glx, but it complains about nvidia-kernel not being installable. |
| 13:44.49 | errm | ricky_clarkson: it sure is |
| 13:44.56 | ricky_clarkson | !info xfce4 sid |
| 13:44.56 | errm | ricky_clarkson: i had it working before |
| 13:45.04 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 13:45.07 | errm | greycat: i told all about errors little before |
| 13:45.08 | ricky_clarkson | errm: Where in the Debian repositories is it? |
| 13:45.17 | tzafrir | hackeron, forcing apt to install would only further break your system. a) use dpkg |
| 13:45.26 | Onno | rdesktop ./configure worked, but when running 'make' all errors. Anyone succesfully installed the new rdesktop already? |
| 13:45.27 | valdyn | hackeron: you need suitable version of each package too, can you paste the relevant error message pointing to that? |
| 13:45.29 | errm | ricky_clarkson: go to official xfce.org homepage? |
| 13:45.30 | greycat | 08:39 errm> When i type "apt-get install xfce4" (having os-works address on my |
| 13:45.30 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.30 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.32 | greycat | that's not useful. |
| 13:45.36 | Hajuu2 | petemc: Yeah, the install guide wanted me to repartition and put on some kind of loader bootstrap image that sort of "tricks" it into loading the installer off the cd |
| 13:45.45 | valdyn | hackeron: and ffs dont use --force |
| 13:45.47 | errm | greycat: ok well what else can i explain? |
| 13:45.53 | errm | greycat: give me a hint |
| 13:45.53 | greycat | wait wait WAIT.... |
| 13:45.55 | greycat | you said "only". |
| 13:46.00 | greycat | what the fuck does "only" mean? |
| 13:46.06 | ricky_clarkson | errm: what does xfce4 depend on? |
| 13:46.07 | greycat | did you REMOVE THE NORMAL DEBIAN SOURCE LINES? |
| 13:46.17 | errm | greycat: yes |
| 13:46.19 | petemc | Hajuu2: well, if you cant follow that i cant help you, its been too long, try #debian-ppc |
| 13:46.20 | greycat | IDIOT. |
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| 13:46.26 | greycat | what the fuck... |
| 13:46.32 | errm | greycat: hrmpf? |
| 13:46.38 | Sjimmie | greycat: take it easy :) |
| 13:46.46 | hackeron | valdyn: dont have X or gpm, but it says nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 but it isnt installable. I installed nvidia-kernel manually, but because the nvidia-glx isnt in a standard location, the nvidia install script fails to get that installed. |
| 13:46.48 | greycat | put your debian sources BACK. |
| 13:46.49 | errm | greycat: so i shouldnt removed debian lines? |
| 13:46.54 | errm | greycat: ok i try |
| 13:46.58 | greycat | !try |
| 13:46.58 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 13:46.59 | Sjimmie | errm: that is WRONG, put back the old sources and ADD the new one |
| 13:47.01 | hackeron | valdyn: rather I do, but dont have one running to copy paste the entire error |
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| 13:47.07 | greycat | god, what a moron |
| 13:47.15 | valdyn | hackeron: whats "installed manually" did you use the nvidia-installer? |
| 13:47.21 | errm | greycat: and should i put os-works lines there too? |
| 13:47.22 | hackeron | valdyn: yes |
| 13:47.38 | valdyn | hackeron: in that case you dont need any debian nvidia package |
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| 13:47.43 | Sjimmie | errm: yes ADD them |
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| 13:48.13 | hackeron | valdyn: did you read the previous message? -- the nvidia installer failed on nvidia-glx because debian uses non standard locations. |
| 13:48.17 | valdyn | hackeron: you may only experience your system breaking at some point though, so running the nvidia installer w/ --uninstall should be a good idea |
| 13:48.24 | Sjimmie | errm: you see the OS-work packages might depend on some or more debian packages... |
| 13:48.31 | greycat | And this moron wanted to know how pinning works. |
| 13:48.32 | greycat | My god. |
| 13:48.49 | valdyn | hackeron: youre trying to mix stuff from nvidias installer and debians nvidia packages or so it semms |
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| 13:48.53 | valdyn | hackeron: youre trying to mix stuff from nvidias installer and debians nvidia packages or so it seems |
| 13:48.53 | errm | greycat: but how i make that apt-get gets xfce4.2 and not 4.0.5 from debian repositry? |
| 13:49.00 | valdyn | hackeron: youre fucking up alot by doing this |
| 13:49.00 | greycat | BECAUSE IT HAS A HIGHER NUMBER. |
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| 13:49.05 | greycat | jesus! |
| 13:49.10 | hackeron | valdyn: I dont care, I just want to force an apt-get install :) |
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| 13:49.13 | greycat | poseidon! |
| 13:49.13 | Rawplayer | hey! you can call me Kevin |
| 13:49.14 | CAiRO | how can i resize .gif images from command line? convert seems to ignore the -size parameter for gif files (it works perfectly for jpegs) |
| 13:49.24 | errm | greycat: IM A LINUX NEWBIE TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO LEARN, NO NEED TO SHOUT AT ME AND CALL ME DUMB NAMES! EVERYONE IS A NEWBIE AT THE BEGINNING! |
| 13:49.25 | valdyn | hackeron: --force-all |
| 13:49.26 | jm_ | CAiRO: no it doesn't |
| 13:49.32 | valdyn | hackeron: and this is really really stupid |
| 13:49.36 | Rawplayer | !whine errm |
| 13:49.42 | jm_ | CAiRO: try using -geometry |
| 13:49.45 | hackeron | valdyn: says no such option |
| 13:49.49 | CAiRO | jm_: ok |
| 13:49.56 | andi5 | errm, greycat: keep smiling :D |
| 13:49.57 | valdyn | hackeron: dpkg --force-all <package> |
| 13:50.03 | valdyn | hackeron: dpkg -i --force-all <package> |
| 13:50.05 | nagual | errm: probably a bad idea to yell at someone that can help you |
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| 13:50.16 | valdyn | hackeron: package should be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ now |
| 13:50.22 | hackeron | valdyn: no such file or directory nvidia-glx... |
| 13:50.29 | errm | greycat: and huge thx for help btw |
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| 13:50.36 | greycat | It even says it on the web page. |
| 13:50.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.41 | valdyn | hackeron: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia*deb |
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| 13:50.43 | hackeron | valdyn: how do I get apt-get to download it? |
| 13:50.50 | greycat | "add" does not mean "destroy the original contents" |
| 13:50.58 | hackeron | valdyn: its not there, apt-get refuses to do anything because nvidia-kernel isnt available. |
| 13:51.15 | valdyn | hackeron: you dont, b/c this is so completely retarded to do, but you can fetch it from packages.debian.org |
| 13:51.40 | errm | thanks bye have fun |
| 13:51.52 | ricky_clarkson | I should have known he'd be a Ricky. |
| 13:51.54 | valdyn | hackeron: i dont remember offhand how to force apt-get to do it, but manually fetching is is workable.. |
| 13:52.12 | CAiRO | jm_: ok, -geometry works, but -size is definetly ignored for my .gif file |
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| 13:52.46 | CAiRO | thanks anyway |
| 13:53.13 | ncp | an good email client that can be used i a terminal, an not mutt |
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| 13:53.31 | Jerub | ncp: what's wrong with mutt? |
| 13:53.34 | greycat | ncp: why not mutt? |
| 13:53.37 | andi5 | ncp: pine? |
| 13:54.00 | Jerub | andi5: no debian package for pine iirc |
| 13:54.05 | dka | ncp: take pine (what do you have against mutt?) |
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| 13:54.18 | ncp | nothing |
| 13:54.20 | ncp | :) |
| 13:54.22 | Jerub | mutt is my favourite email client of all time. :) |
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| 13:54.31 | Rawplayer | Jerub: why? |
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| 13:54.40 | greycat | if we don't know what problem you have with mutt, it's hard to suggest alternatives. |
| 13:54.52 | honschu | My Mouse moves too fast in X (sarge) "xset m 0" is still to fast. What can I do? |
| 13:54.59 | SUSU | how can i run mysql_fix_privilege_tables ??? |
| 13:55.05 | Jerub | Rawplayer: fast, light, works well, efficient keybindings. |
| 13:55.34 | SUSU | how can i run mysql_fix_privilege_tables ??? i just upgrade rom mysql 3.x to 4.1 and get crash |
| 13:55.34 | valdyn | hackeron: why would someone install nvidia-glx w/o having X anyhow? |
| 13:55.34 | greycat | honschu: I use "xset m 0.25 0.5" when I'm unfortunate enough to be using a 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:55.34 | ricky_clarkson | #mysql ? |
| 13:55.36 | Jerub | Rawplayer: and I can use it in screen. |
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| 13:55.59 | mrhemlock | SUSU, check /usr/share/doc/mysql-server there should be notes on upgrade |
| 13:56.06 | andi5 | honschu: but if only one is given, it will be interpreted as the |
| 13:56.16 | andi5 | acceleration |
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| 13:56.35 | honschu | greycat: I use 2.6 - but with xset you can't use it to slow down the speed. |
| 13:56.40 | Rawplayer | Jerub: ok :) |
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| 13:57.09 | honschu | xset is just for acceleration, not to slow down |
| 13:57.16 | greycat | whatever. |
| 13:57.25 | Slymer | yes, dear |
| 13:57.29 | Slymer | oops |
| 13:57.30 | greycat | if my suggestion didn't help, try google. |
| 13:58.04 | honschu | greycat - it doesn't help because with xset, you can do only acceleration |
| 13:58.33 | greycat | you didn't even try it, did you? |
| 13:58.41 | honschu | I did - all the time |
| 13:58.48 | Rawplayer | try groups also |
| 13:58.50 | honschu | xset m 0.25 0.5; |
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| 13:59.10 | greycat | all I know (or care about) is that it makes the mouse go slower. |
| 13:59.45 | honschu | greycat: compared to the standard "xset m 1" , "xset m 0.25" is solwer - yes! |
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| 13:59.56 | honschu | greycat: But for me "xset m 0" is still to fast! |
| 14:00.02 | honschu | too |
| 14:00.23 | caphuso | honschu: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 |
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| 14:00.47 | hackeron | valdyn: you just skip most of my messages dont you :) -- I said in the next message I have it, just not running atm. Anyway, installed manually now, works great, thanks. |
| 14:00.47 | takisd | hi, anyone running vanilla kernel with ac patch?? (it821x module even??) - probably clutching at straws... |
| 14:00.56 | SUSU | hi, i upgrade to mysql 4.1 and run this command "mysql_fix_privilege_tables yourmysqlrootpw |
| 14:01.02 | SUSU | " |
| 14:01.06 | SUSU | but there is error |
| 14:01.16 | SUSU | Got a failure from command: |
| 14:01.16 | SUSU | /usr/bin/mysql --no-defaults --force --user=root --host=localhost --database=mysql |
| 14:01.16 | SUSU | Please check the above output and try again. |
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| 14:01.27 | Rawplayer | wellll? |
| 14:01.37 | greycat | and what was the failure? |
| 14:02.04 | honschu | caphuso: Thanks for the great link! I think it will do the job, because I have two mice. |
| 14:02.16 | ricky_clarkson | Squeak squeak |
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| 14:02.42 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, goto #squeak |
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| 14:03.17 | yoo | HI everybody ! |
| 14:03.28 | Rawplayer | sup |
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| 14:04.48 | SUSU | after upgade to mysql 4.1 just only run command mysql_fix_privilege_tables ? |
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| 14:06.36 | SlayerXP | SUSU: what do the release notes say/ |
| 14:06.39 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 14:07.26 | SUSU | run that command after upgrade |
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| 14:07.31 | kensuke | greetigns all !! :-) Can anyone tell me if they know of a supplier of the hardware required to run Asterisk (the pabx stuff). The trick is ... I live in South Africa :-) |
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| 14:07.36 | SUSU | but when i run that command there error |
| 14:07.43 | kensuke | sorry for th OT |
| 14:08.12 | petemc | kensuke: ebay |
| 14:08.55 | kensuke | nice ... thanx petemc |
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| 14:09.29 | petemc | kensuke: assuming you mean the digium stuff |
| 14:09.55 | dripOl | hello |
| 14:10.11 | kensuke | hello |
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| 14:13.46 | caligula | hi |
| 14:14.09 | caligula | I have a problem with my net interface |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | no hi .. we are anti-drug here |
| 14:14.09 | danilom | im trying to print to a dot-matrix printer from debian using xfce, and openoffice, but when print only print text about pdf and PS, the text begin with #!PS how can i print??? |
| 14:14.09 | mrhemlock | SlayerXP, I tried to go down that path with SUSU already |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | and anti-roman :) |
| 14:14.16 | abrotman | and anti-porn |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | wow .. we're not much fun at all |
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| 14:14.26 | SlayerXP | SUSU: ask a sensible question or be quiet. |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | caligula: we need more description of your problem |
| 14:14.42 | suid | Hi |
| 14:15.10 | caligula | abrotman, I have 2 address, 1 is a IP alias |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | danilom: i'm not a printing expert .. but it could be possible your printer doesn't understand postscript |
| 14:15.15 | Jerub | danilom: dot-matrix printers don't support postscript I think, |
| 14:15.21 | caligula | but I need go out using the IP alias |
| 14:15.24 | Jerub | danilom: I think you can only print text. |
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| 14:15.36 | Jerub | danilom: and thus, open office will probably not work at all with it. |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | caligula: make it your default route |
| 14:15.38 | suid | i've a problem with my apt, when y try to install rar (apt-get install rar) it says me: |
| 14:15.39 | suid | After unpacking 429kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:15.40 | suid | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 14:15.40 | suid | Setting up passwd (4.0.3-31sarge1) ... |
| 14:15.40 | suid | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 14:15.40 | suid | dpkg: error processing passwd (--configure): |
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| 14:15.54 | suid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.55 | ViNc3 | to get sound works on my laptop |
| 14:15.58 | suid | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:16.00 | suid | sorry |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | stew: you ever partied in the del water gap park? |
| 14:16.11 | ViNc3 | i should install fc2 |
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| 14:16.18 | ViNc3 | i think |
| 14:16.32 | ViNc3 | :( |
| 14:16.34 | Hajuu2 | I heard fc2 was dodgy |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | suid: don't paste . |
| 14:16.39 | Jerub | its also old. |
| 14:16.43 | abrotman | !tell suid about paste |
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| 14:16.52 | suid | abrotman, i'm sorry |
| 14:16.52 | Jerub | considering fedora core 3 is out, and already getting old, fc2 is ancient. |
| 14:16.56 | suid | i've read ir |
| 14:17.03 | Jerub | and people complain about *debian* being out of date |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | Jerub: wrong channel? |
| 14:17.52 | brosio | anyone known programs to regoulate speed fan under linux ? |
| 14:18.07 | quiet | for some reason when do apt-get update it fails on my mirrors (mirror.cs.wisc.edu) anyone else have this problem? |
| 14:18.19 | danilom | abrotman: yes is a citizen gsx-130 very old |
| 14:18.31 | petemc | quiet: tried a different mirror? |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | danilom: you need to make it not print PS |
| 14:18.43 | quiet | petemc, i don't know how to change it :( |
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| 14:18.48 | abrotman | danilom: and considering it is PDF .. kind of hard IMO |
| 14:18.49 | petemc | quiet: apt-setup |
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| 14:19.04 | quiet | petemc, wow.. thanks :) |
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| 14:19.12 | suid | well. when i try to install something by the apt, it says me the next error: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 14:19.18 | danilom | abrotman and how can i do?? for examble to print ps in a dot-matrix |
| 14:19.30 | suid | How can i do? |
| 14:19.31 | danilom | Jerub: ok is posible to do it with some filter |
| 14:19.35 | valdyn | danilom: which print system? cups? |
| 14:19.35 | suid | What can i do? |
| 14:19.45 | danilom | valdyn yes is cups |
| 14:19.54 | Jerub | danilom: yes, you need to save it as text. |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | danilom: i don't own a printer .. sorry .. i like living trees :) |
| 14:20.21 | danilom | jerub, so its not a good solutions |
| 14:20.25 | valdyn | danilom: http://localhost:631/ - configure your printer, i have no idea if its supported |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | danilom: that's why it was a guess |
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| 14:20.51 | danilom | valdyn i really do it, but only print language ps |
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| 14:21.33 | danilom | abrotman, so can i print in a dot matrix using ps as output through a filter? |
| 14:21.43 | danilom | ghostscript is for it? |
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| 14:22.04 | valdyn | danilom: looks like you picked a printer which understands postscript then |
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| 14:22.22 | Nrg_ | hello |
| 14:22.26 | valdyn | danilom: while your printer does not |
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| 14:23.12 | SUSU | i dont know why i run commmand mysql_fix_privileges_tables and always get error ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 14:23.12 | SUSU | Got a failure from command: |
| 14:23.12 | SUSU | /usr/bin/mysql --no-defaults --force --user=root --host=localhost --database=mysql |
| 14:23.21 | danilom | valdyn i install it from cups at localhost:631 as a generic dot matrix printer but when i try to print from openoffice only prit text about ps and adobe... |
| 14:23.24 | Nrg_ | I need help with xfree86 in unstable.. I configures it for finnish keyboard layout, and X log shows it should be using fi-layout, but the finnish keymap is not working.. locales are OK, and the fi layout is working in the console, but not in X |
| 14:23.33 | Nrg_ | (**) XKB: layout: "fi" |
| 14:23.34 | Nrg_ | says X |
| 14:23.41 | Nrg_ | but still not working.. |
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| 14:24.01 | Nrg_ | configures=configured |
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| 14:24.06 | valdyn | danilom: oh, I see, guess that driver supports only you printing plain text |
| 14:24.07 | drac | Nrg_: Finnish keyboards are usually also pc105. |
| 14:24.14 | vile_maxim | With vm play I can play a rmd file through the modem's specker, but cannot get it to play through the phone. |
| 14:24.19 | Nrg_ | drac, (**) XKB: model: "pc105" |
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| 14:24.24 | valdyn | danilom: while openoffice is not aware of that |
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| 14:24.41 | Nrg_ | X seems to be using us layout for some odd reason |
| 14:24.41 | vile_maxim | anyone know why |
| 14:24.41 | vile_maxim | ? |
| 14:24.51 | suid | well. when i try to install something by the apt, it says me the next error: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 14:24.53 | suid | What can i do? |
| 14:24.55 | danilom | valdyn, so is possible to use another driver... |
| 14:24.55 | Nrg_ | even though it says its using finnish |
| 14:24.59 | valdyn | danilom: save the file as text, then "lpr textfile" or find a suitable driver |
| 14:25.13 | greycat | suid: exit from synaptic, or aptitude, or apt-get, or whatever you're running. |
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| 14:25.16 | valdyn | danilom: yea, if your printer is compatible to some common dot matrix printer |
| 14:25.17 | stew | abrotman: not much, done some hikes and some camping in there |
| 14:25.18 | drac | Nrg_: Maybe your window manager, such as gnome.. has own settings somewhere? |
| 14:25.18 | danilom | valdyn it doesnt work... |
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| 14:25.33 | valdyn | danilom: what/how doesnt it work? |
| 14:25.38 | Nrg_ | drac, hmm.. Im using gnome (2.8 in unstable) |
| 14:25.38 | suid | greycat, how exit? i'm in a console with root privilegies |
| 14:25.38 | stew | abrotman: some friends of mine used to always go on more party oriented trips but i somehow missed out on all of them |
| 14:25.38 | danilom | valdyn but cat file.text > /dev/lp0 it works |
| 14:25.42 | stew | abrotman: nice area though |
| 14:25.43 | suid | closing the terminal? |
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| 14:25.56 | greycat | suid: well SOMEONE is using it. lsof thefile, or fuser thefile. |
| 14:25.57 | drac | Nrg_: I know gnome has own settings for keyb.. |
| 14:26.02 | valdyn | danilom: "apt-get install cupsys-bsd" probably |
| 14:26.07 | Nrg_ | drac, hmm.. lets see |
| 14:26.22 | danilom | valdyn is a gateway from lp to cups? |
| 14:26.29 | valdyn | danilom: yea |
| 14:26.42 | Nrg_ | drac, that was it.. argh |
| 14:26.46 | Nrg_ | :) |
| 14:26.47 | Nrg_ | thanks |
| 14:27.01 | danilom | valdyn, and them how this can fix my problem? |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | bah |
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| 14:27.32 | SUSU | but when i run that command there error |
| 14:27.41 | SUSU | . /usr/bin/mysql --no-defaults --force --user=root --host=localhost --database=mysql |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | !ops GEWOGc /msg spamming |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GEWOGc /msg spamming |
| 14:28.01 | valdyn | danilom: it might fix that "lpr sometext" works, and that you can select the printer provided via the bsd system on openoffice, i have no idea though if that can fix your openoffice printing problem |
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| 14:28.22 | abrotman | stew: i didn't mean to actually party .. i meant like camping etc :) |
| 14:28.29 | suid | greycat, thanks man, i don't know what lsof were |
| 14:28.30 | suid | xD |
| 14:28.46 | past | hello |
| 14:28.47 | greycat | lsof and strace are two of the most powerful tools available. |
| 14:28.53 | caligula | I have now: default dev eth0 scope link src 200.69.223.XXX |
| 14:28.57 | caligula | but dont work |
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| 14:29.16 | drac | Nrg_: Great. ;) |
| 14:29.21 | danilom | valdyn ok thank for all |
| 14:30.19 | danilom | valdyn a last question: is possible to find a cups driver that receive the ps file from openoffice and convert it to ascii or text... and send it to the dot-matrix printer?? |
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| 14:31.02 | MetaMorfozis | hi all (szervusztok) |
| 14:31.09 | valdyn | danilom: yes, its possible for some dot-matrix printers, i dont know about your specific one |
| 14:31.14 | MetaMorfozis | i have a question with/to kbiff |
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| 14:31.35 | MetaMorfozis | i was setted up a new email acc |
| 14:31.52 | MetaMorfozis | and it's ikon equal with "no mailbox" ikon... |
| 14:31.54 | MetaMorfozis | why? |
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| 14:32.11 | MetaMorfozis | please help me |
| 14:32.18 | valdyn | danilom: dot-matrix printers arent "special" in that sense at all, filtering has be done for all that dont understand postscript, which is most printers |
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| 14:32.48 | mrhemlock | Why does lsof show open files that the wget process is done for still open ? |
| 14:32.59 | danilom | valdyn ok, and the ppd files is for it?? |
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| 14:33.08 | valdyn | danilom: yea |
| 14:33.20 | MetaMorfozis | can anybody help me? |
| 14:33.40 | stew | abrotman: just note that the DWG is part of hawk migratory paths and is therefore completely saturated with birdwatchers in may |
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| 14:34.04 | Nooby | could anybody please recommend some ressources for recovering lost partitions tables and things like that |
| 14:34.11 | SUSU | after upgrade from mysql 3.x to mysql 4.1, my MYSQL server can not start , any idea? |
| 14:34.15 | tacoofdeath | here here |
| 14:34.19 | jm_ | nobb;try gpart |
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| 14:34.23 | nevyn | Nooby: parted. |
| 14:34.23 | stew | abrotman: also not that if you go to the DWG and are near the appalation trail you may only camp in designated areas |
| 14:34.23 | jm_ | Nooby ^^^^^ |
| 14:34.28 | tacoofdeath | qpart? |
| 14:34.44 | mwilson | Nooby: I used gpart for that. However, if you're clueless about what you're looking at, gpart will do more harm than good. |
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| 14:34.53 | tacoofdeath | arg |
| 14:34.54 | mwilson | tacoofdeath: What's qpart going to do to help him? |
| 14:34.57 | SUSU | after upgrade from mysql 3.x to mysql 4.1, my MYSQL server can not start , any idea? |
| 14:35.03 | tacoofdeath | qpart killed my ntfs |
| 14:35.11 | ricky_clarkson | SUSU: Read the error messages? |
| 14:35.12 | Nooby | qtparted tells me that the filesystem is free |
| 14:35.12 | mwilson | SUSU: Other than actually looking at the log and finding out why? |
| 14:35.14 | abrotman | stew: canoeing!! |
| 14:35.22 | mwilson | Nooby: No one told you to use qparted. |
| 14:36.02 | tacoofdeath | why does q parted say my ntfs is unrecognized when fdisk sees it as ntfs? |
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| 14:36.15 | Nooby | ok will check this, the problem is i have to recover a filesystem i dont know (fat32 or ntfs) |
| 14:36.23 | tacoofdeath | ouch |
| 14:36.29 | mwilson | tacoofdeath: Uh, because they're not the same application? |
| 14:36.32 | tacoofdeath | ur problem worse than mine |
| 14:36.39 | tacoofdeath | oh |
| 14:36.44 | tacoofdeath | duh |
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| 14:36.56 | mwilson | Nooby: Are you "recovering" a partition table, or a filesystem? |
| 14:36.56 | jp | Hi, could someone help me in configuring exim on a Testing. I'm afraid of doing a mistake. |
| 14:37.00 | tacoofdeath | but what does that tell me about whats wrong |
| 14:37.15 | valdyn | jp: exim4? |
| 14:37.20 | mwilson | tacoofdeath: What's wrong with what? |
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| 14:37.35 | jp | yes I think. I did apt-get install exim. |
| 14:37.38 | past | ºÇºÇ |
| 14:37.40 | tacoofdeath | my ntfs partition or mbr or something |
| 14:37.43 | tacoofdeath | idk |
| 14:37.51 | tacoofdeath | btw: whats exim |
| 14:37.56 | Nooby | mwilson, looks like i have to recover a fs since qparted says its free doesnt it |
| 14:38.06 | jp | should I install exim or exim4? |
| 14:38.16 | past | exim4? |
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| 14:38.34 | mwilson | Nooby: Gods only know why you think qparted has anything to do with it. |
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| 14:39.28 | mwilson | Nooby: But you keep changing your story, so you just go on and have a good time without me. |
| 14:39.29 | tacoofdeath | srry i actually fkuced it up using qtparted |
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| 14:39.48 | Nooby | mwilson, sorry new info its a fat16 (says fdisk) |
| 14:40.06 | tacoofdeath | is there a good linux prog 4 recovering mbrs? |
| 14:40.07 | valdyn | Nooby: fdisk knows nothing about filesystems |
| 14:40.09 | jp | ah ok. It's strange. I had to configure exim whereas I've just installed exim4, and the configuration seems to be perfect. Could someone know why? |
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| 14:40.31 | tacoofdeath | theres a damn lable |
| 14:40.36 | tacoofdeath | 07 |
| 14:40.42 | tacoofdeath | arg!! |
| 14:40.52 | AnhVu | :) |
| 14:41.15 | Nooby | mwilson, i dont have a clue about data recovery from hds, so i asked for some basic ressoucres |
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| 14:42.17 | tacoofdeath | at least i backed up my pron :) |
| 14:42.29 | mwilson | Nooby: No, you asked questions, and then kept changing the details, so you just go have fun. |
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| 14:42.44 | Luzhien | hi people! |
| 14:43.05 | tacoofdeath | will u help me mr wilson? |
| 14:43.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:43.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:43.22 | tacoofdeath | preety please? |
| 14:43.26 | Luzhien | how to use distcc to compile something with a cpu of my lan¿? :s |
| 14:43.28 | Nooby | mwilson, sorry for that |
| 14:44.07 | greycat | Luzhien: if it doesn't have documentation, then you get to read the source code. have fun. |
| 14:44.18 | jetscreamer | so it's type ntfs what's your point (type 07) |
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| 14:44.41 | tacoofdeath | i need it to actually work and thats a piece of info |
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| 14:44.44 | Nooby | mwilson, gpart is scanning |
| 14:44.52 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 14:44.52 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 14:44.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:45.04 | greycat | jetscreamer: I think he wants someone to read the documentation for him, and maybe hold his hand. |
| 14:45.05 | MetaMorfozis | K_F |
| 14:45.11 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 14:45.11 | MetaMorfozis | hopp |
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| 14:45.16 | abrotman | tacoofdeath: use the windows CD to restore your MBR |
| 14:45.17 | MetaMorfozis | i want it other windows |
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| 14:45.26 | jetscreamer | guy |
| 14:45.30 | tacoofdeath | ah fuck |
| 14:45.36 | jetscreamer | !fuck tacoofdeath |
| 14:45.41 | tacoofdeath | i only haved an oem restore cd |
| 14:45.43 | strk | MPlayer is really cool... does anyone know how to put it in background |
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| 14:45.53 | abrotman | tacoofdeath: guess you're in a bad spot eh? |
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| 14:46.04 | tacoofdeath | u could say that |
| 14:46.07 | abrotman | !uy |
| 14:46.07 | dpkg | [uy] Uruguay |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:46.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | why is it so hard to type out "you" |
| 14:46.31 | tacoofdeath | i only backed up some of my data because i had like 50 gigs of it |
| 14:46.34 | tacoofdeath | :) |
| 14:46.42 | Luzhien | !fuck me |
| 14:46.50 | citral | cause is to lon' |
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| 14:47.08 | Luzhien | !jump |
| 14:47.09 | dpkg | How high? |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | citral: lng :) |
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| 14:47.19 | abrotman | Luzhien: stop abusing dpkg |
| 14:47.28 | Luzhien | :( |
| 14:47.33 | Ftroop | !language |
| 14:47.34 | dpkg | Watch your fucker. Fuck you too by the way. or you may be fucker. Fuck you too by the way. and fucker. Fuck you too by the way. Fuck you too by the way. A bit of fucker. Fuck you too by the way. is fine, but fucker. Fuck you too by the way. terms are off limits. |
| 14:47.35 | Luzhien | :'( |
| 14:47.56 | greycat | very strange factoid. |
| 14:48.05 | takatumi | very very. |
| 14:48.07 | citral | indeed |
| 14:48.11 | tacoofdeath | wanna say something useful dpkg? |
| 14:48.27 | Luzhien | !sing |
| 14:48.27 | dpkg | Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do... |
| 14:48.30 | greycat | heh |
| 14:48.35 | Luzhien | :D |
| 14:48.46 | Luzhien | !kiss tacoofdeath |
| 14:49.08 | EdibleTe1t | !taco |
| 14:49.08 | dpkg | from memory, taco is a tasty treat that's good to eat |
| 14:49.08 | Luzhien | this is util tacoofdeath |
| 14:49.10 | Ftroop | dpkg is a hoer :) |
| 14:49.19 | kensuke | !pangalacticgargleblaster |
| 14:49.32 | kensuke | ... thought Id try my luck |
| 14:49.34 | Zambba | !apt-get |
| 14:49.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or ... |
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| 14:49.41 | greycat | Please use /msg to ask the bot things. |
| 14:49.53 | tacoofdeath | so i resized my ntfs partition in wtpartition from MEPIS distro and now its not recognized |
| 14:49.58 | tacoofdeath | any suggestions |
| 14:50.00 | tacoofdeath | ? |
| 14:50.11 | greycat | tacoofdeath: "don't ever do that again" |
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| 14:50.22 | LeBear | avoid NTFS partitions in the future? |
| 14:50.23 | Luzhien | !say Tezkatlipocasatorusukabito |
| 14:50.25 | dpkg | Tezkatlipocasatorusukabito |
| 14:50.35 | abrotman | tacoofdeath: wrong channel |
| 14:50.35 | tacoofdeath | very helpful |
| 14:50.37 | AnhVu | after upgrade from mysql 3.x to mysql 4.1, my MYSQL server can not start , any idea? here is LOG mysqld, Version: 4.1.10a-Debian_1.dotdeb.0-log. started with: |
| 14:50.37 | AnhVu | Tcp port: 0 Unix socket: /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 14:50.37 | AnhVu | Time Id Command Argument |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | Luzhien: stop fucking with the god damnned bot |
| 14:50.49 | tacoofdeath | what channel do i want? |
| 14:50.56 | Nooby | mwilson, OS/2 HPFS, NTFS, QNX or Advanced UNIX was found by gpart. |
| 14:50.56 | citral | dpkg: no, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. |
| 14:50.57 | dpkg | okay, citral |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | #mepis |
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| 14:51.04 | kensuke | #ntfs |
| 14:51.09 | kensuke | :-/ |
| 14:51.16 | greycat | #pitymebecauseIhavetoreinstallwindows |
| 14:51.18 | LeBear | tacoofdeath: well.. don't blame us. NTFS isn't opensource. Send a nasty letter to bill. |
| 14:51.26 | Garp | Hi. |
| 14:51.34 | emcee | wow, greycat, there's people in there ^_^ |
| 14:51.35 | tacoofdeath | sorely tempted |
| 14:51.46 | kensuke | ... thats uncle bill |
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| 14:51.55 | tacoofdeath | is there a mepis distro chanel? |
| 14:51.59 | LeBear | Mah Bill? |
| 14:52.08 | Ftroop | :( |
| 14:52.13 | abrotman | tacoofdeath: did you try #mepis ? |
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| 14:52.20 | tacoofdeath | hehe no |
| 14:52.23 | tacoofdeath | brb |
| 14:52.25 | Ftroop | <<<<<#debian |
| 14:52.27 | emcee | abrotman: they will just tell him it is debian |
| 14:52.44 | Garp | Question: I just updated the ntp package and now ntp doesnt seems to work properly. I saw a bug report from yesterday that point to the same problem. Do I do nothing? Do I see "me too" ? |
| 14:52.45 | tacoofdeath | mepis is debian based |
| 14:52.45 | citral | oh well. looks to me like sunday today. |
| 14:52.50 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 14:52.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 14:53.06 | EdibleTe1t | I keep parsing mepis as "Me Piss" |
| 14:53.10 | asg | Garp: wait or downgrade to the previous package or fix it and upload a patch. |
| 14:53.13 | abrotman | tacoofdeath: it's not fucking debian |
| 14:53.15 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 14:53.20 | KarlosII | tacoofdeath, don't argue that's a topic they are anal about here |
| 14:53.24 | abrotman | emcee: only when you're stoned :) |
| 14:53.30 | abrotman | KarlosII: we're right ... |
| 14:53.36 | TNKS | hey guys. How do you tell if your laptop has an I2C bus? |
| 14:53.45 | TNKS | Is it taken for granted for most modern laptops? |
| 14:53.45 | Garp | asg: where can I find the downgraded package? (how to know his name, to fetch if with apt-get?) Thanks. |
| 14:53.50 | greycat | TNKS: boot linux and read dmesg slowly. |
| 14:53.51 | asg | Garp: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:53.56 | KarlosII | abrotman, that's a matter of opinion and I'm not oging to argue it |
| 14:53.58 | LeBear | mandrake is redhat based. Let's all go ask mandrake questions in #redhat. |
| 14:54.05 | tacoofdeath | ok bye |
| 14:54.07 | Garp | asg: thanks. |
| 14:54.09 | Azra`el | TNKS: you google for someone that's done linux on it, or you probe and pray. =) |
| 14:54.09 | tacoofdeath | luv u all |
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| 14:54.12 | emcee | abrotman: were you there when I investigated? it seems me-piss is a hybrid of unstable and testing with a mepis source containing some 8 packages or so one of which is some "control center" and another is their hardware detection |
| 14:54.12 | asg | Garp: you're welcome |
| 14:54.16 | abrotman | KarlosII: you'd lose :) |
| 14:54.23 | KarlosII | wadever |
| 14:54.25 | citral | heh |
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| 14:54.40 | LeBear | wadever. heheh |
| 14:54.49 | Nrg_ | what's the correct fontpath for truetype fonts to add to XF86Config-4 for non-fontfonfig apps.. and where is that documented |
| 14:54.50 | abrotman | emcee: i was |
| 14:54.57 | asg | Nrg_: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 14:54.58 | TNKS | so I2C is or isn't common on laptops? |
| 14:54.59 | Garp | asg: :) |
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| 14:55.05 | jm_ | Nrg_: the same as for other fonts |
| 14:55.08 | PerfDave | Whether Mepis is Debian-based is a matter of opinion now? |
| 14:55.20 | PerfDave | What is this, some kind of crack-addled delusional postmodernist wankfest? |
| 14:55.21 | citral | TNKS: in apple laptops, very common. |
| 14:55.44 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Ooh, I hope so. |
| 14:55.46 | EdibleTe1t | PerfDave, a good time was had by all |
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| 14:56.01 | ricky_clarkson | Debsturbation. |
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| 14:56.16 | asg | ricky_clarkson: BasedOnDebsturbation |
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| 14:56.18 | emcee | PerfDave: you were absent for that; I had some argument with a MEPIS user and ended up having to investigate MEPIS a bit. it's crap, surely |
| 14:56.23 | N-MAN | hi :) |
| 14:56.25 | LeBear | What's the difference between a postmodernist wankfest and a premodernist wankfest? |
| 14:56.39 | ricky_clarkson | Debrivatism |
| 14:56.42 | greycat | !dict postmodern |
| 14:56.44 | asg | LeBear: we have usb-enabled tools for postmodernist |
| 14:56.47 | KarlosII | PerfDave, I'm notjust talking about the mepis distribution |
| 14:56.51 | greycat | damn, I keep forgetting. |
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| 14:56.54 | greycat | @dict postmodern |
| 14:56.54 | KarlosII | anyhow off I go |
| 14:57.00 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'postmodern' of or relating to postmodernism; "postmodernist architecture" |
| 14:57.17 | ricky_clarkson | @dict postmodernism |
| 14:57.18 | asg | greycat: what happened to his dict? |
| 14:57.19 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'postmodernism' genre of art and literature and especially architecture in reaction against principles and practices of established modernism |
| 14:57.20 | PerfDave | LeBear: In postmodernist wankfests, you can wank in any way you like, in premodernist wankfests you have to pay attention to the structure of the wank. |
| 14:57.20 | citral | dpkg: you forgot dict? |
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| 14:57.30 | greycat | asg: I guess he suffered a dictectomy |
| 14:57.47 | nagual | whats that greycat ? |
| 14:57.55 | asg | greycat: ah, #debian-bris? |
| 14:58.00 | citral | a ablation of the language |
| 14:58.04 | nagual | dict didnt find that word |
| 14:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | Surgical removal of a dictionary, nagual. |
| 14:58.05 | genix | which files is needed to be edited If I change hdb partitions to hda? |
| 14:58.12 | nagual | oh, hehe |
| 14:58.26 | citral | genix: /etc/fstab ? |
| 14:58.29 | PerfDave | genix: You're swapping disks over? /etc/fstab, and your bootloader. |
| 14:58.34 | ricky_clarkson | nagual: It's necessary when you've put too many words in someone's mouth. |
| 14:58.47 | nagual | ;-) |
| 14:58.54 | stew | he suffered a 'convert'ectomy as well |
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| 14:59.05 | jetscreamer | genix, the bootloader.conf and fstab, that's it.... i've done it twice now |
| 14:59.07 | Mr-Falkor | humm - Debian or Gentoo ? |
| 14:59.11 | citral | dpkg: you're getting old |
| 14:59.14 | nagual | Mr-Falkor: gentoo! |
| 14:59.21 | jetscreamer | Mr-Falkor, gentoo or windows |
| 14:59.32 | ricky_clarkson | Mr-Falkor: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:59.34 | Mr-Falkor | nagual, windows ?! ..never |
| 14:59.39 | citral | Mr-Falkor: minix! |
| 14:59.40 | PerfDave | Mr-Falkor: GNU/Hurd! |
| 14:59.44 | nagual | i nver said anything about windows in here |
| 14:59.48 | EdibleTe1t | Mr-Falkor, LOBOTOMY |
| 14:59.49 | jetscreamer | yeah nagual how could you |
| 14:59.54 | jetscreamer | you bastard! |
| 14:59.54 | ricky_clarkson | Don't point that GNU at me! |
| 14:59.55 | nagual | sorry jetscreamer :( |
| 15:00.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:00.00 | Mr-Falkor | aaha |
| 15:00.01 | Mr-Falkor | sorry |
| 15:00.01 | genix | jetscreamer, ok, good to know from you |
| 15:00.02 | Mr-Falkor | :P |
| 15:00.03 | nagual | except that windows rocks as a workstation |
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| 15:00.19 | EdibleTe1t | heh he said work station |
| 15:00.25 | citral | virus roX0rz! |
| 15:01.18 | citral | nagual: but what if you want your workstation to serve printing and files as well? |
| 15:01.30 | jetscreamer | it could |
| 15:01.41 | Mr-Falkor | some says that Gentoo are betther than Debian |
| 15:01.42 | citral | but it would suck |
| 15:01.46 | nagual | citral: then it´d be a server, wouldnt it? (and yes, jetscreamer is right of course) |
| 15:02.03 | PerfDave | Mr-Falkor: Some people say that Scrappy Doo is better than Scooby Doo, they're wrong too :) |
| 15:02.03 | citral | Mr-Falkor: they are right, of course |
| 15:02.06 | jetscreamer | Mr-Falkor, and some say it the other way. try both. |
| 15:02.15 | takatumi | Mr-Falkor: try it all and see for yourself. |
| 15:02.26 | nagual | actually the only thing i really dislike about windows is that it something as retarded as a registry. other than that, i really think its a decent os these days, ever since win2k came out. |
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| 15:02.39 | citral | off-topic |
| 15:02.43 | KarlosII | Mr-Falkor, let's not start that, gentoo is better if you like waiting for compilation, but debian is easier to maintain, and a system is still fast and optmized if the kernel is at least optimized to the architecture |
| 15:02.54 | genix | jetscreamer, in menu.lst: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-speakup root=/dev/hdb1 ro" should be hda1 what about "root (hd0,0)"? |
| 15:03.25 | PerfDave | Mr-Falkor: Really, there are reasons for using Debian, and you've been told how to find them. IMHO Gentoo is a pile of shit, I used to use it but came back to Debian. |
| 15:03.29 | Mr-Falkor | KarlosII, ok :) ...I dont like to compile kernels ,Im getting Kernel Panic all the time |
| 15:03.30 | jetscreamer | 0,0 the first 0 would be a/b, the second the partition (1/2) |
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| 15:03.50 | KarlosII | Mr-Falkor, you need to undestand what each kernal options is |
| 15:03.51 | jetscreamer | iirc, i could be wrong grub is still a mystery to me.. but ask me about lilo and i'll be certain |
| 15:04.00 | stew | !kernal |
| 15:04.00 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 15:04.04 | citral | the worse thing about gentoo, with gentto itself, is the gentoobies |
| 15:04.08 | KarlosII | jetscreamer, still haven;t made the switch :) |
| 15:04.18 | PerfDave | citral: No, the worst thing about Gentoo is the complete and total fucking lack of QA or stability. |
| 15:04.30 | directhex | PerfDave, but... version numbers! |
| 15:04.33 | PerfDave | citral: If the damn distro worked in the first place, you wouldn't have to deal with the gentoobies. |
| 15:04.35 | KarlosII | jetscreamer, and yes what u said applies to grub |
| 15:04.38 | genix | jetscreamer, root (hd0,0) was for secondary master |
| 15:04.45 | blijblijblij | bg |
| 15:04.51 | Mr-Falkor | KarlosII, thats why I cant use Debian :P |
| 15:04.56 | citral | PerfDave: admit that the last version is the BEST ;) |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:05.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:05.02 | Nooby | ok gpart found a partition and it looks good, the hd is a 40 gb one and gpart found 32 gb (thats correct because it ran in a pc with 32 gb maximum bios). should i do any backup before rewriting the mbr ? |
| 15:05.02 | KarlosII | PerfDave, gah another matter of opinion |
| 15:05.31 | citral | emerge brain |
| 15:05.33 | citral | ooops |
| 15:05.38 | KarlosII | ahahaha |
| 15:05.43 | jetscreamer | genix, not sure.... but hda1== title Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server |
| 15:05.44 | jetscreamer | root (hd0,0) |
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| 15:06.28 | jetscreamer | i never boot it!!!! don't keel me!!! |
| 15:06.42 | citral | jetscreamer: run |
| 15:07.16 | Garp | (bebye) |
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| 15:07.23 | genix | jetscreamer, For whatever I choose, secondary or primary? |
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| 15:07.35 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 15:08.17 | genix | jetscreamer, root (hd0,0) for if I use hda1 and root (hd0,0) if I use hdb1 |
| 15:08.36 | Mr-Falkor | damn |
| 15:08.38 | Mr-Falkor | fuck |
| 15:08.39 | Mr-Falkor | DAMN! |
| 15:08.52 | Mr-Falkor | i was just chatting with a chick, and my grandmother's window pops up |
| 15:08.52 | takatumi | hdb1 would be (hd1,0) |
| 15:08.59 | Mr-Falkor | FUCK! |
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| 15:09.07 | Mr-Falkor | i go like this to her |
| 15:09.09 | nagual | Mr-Falkor: you strike me more like a gentoo user actually. please move along ;-) |
| 15:09.10 | asg | Mr-Falkor: are you going to paste any more old bash.org conversastions in here? |
| 15:09.13 | jetscreamer | like i said, i dunno genix |
| 15:09.15 | Mr-Falkor | "i want to suck on your clit" |
| 15:09.20 | takatumi | Mr-Falkor: move on, bash.org |
| 15:09.21 | Mr-Falkor | FUCK |
| 15:09.23 | Mr-Falkor | hehe |
| 15:09.24 | Mr-Falkor | ;) |
| 15:09.24 | thomas_adam | Someone ban him. |
| 15:09.38 | KarlosII | agreed ban him |
| 15:09.41 | mrhemlock | AGREED |
| 15:09.42 | thomas_adam | !ops |
| 15:09.43 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 15:09.47 | citral | alright |
| 15:09.48 | genix | jetscreamer, ok |
| 15:09.52 | Mr-Falkor | is was just a joike |
| 15:09.58 | Mr-Falkor | calm down ffs |
| 15:10.01 | thomas_adam | !ops mrhemlock needs banning for pasting old and offensive bash.org quotes. |
| 15:10.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mrhemlock needs banning for pasting old and offensive bash.org quotes. |
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| 15:10.08 | thomas_adam | oops |
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| 15:10.10 | thomas_adam | Balls. |
| 15:10.13 | takatumi | thomas_adam: haha |
| 15:10.16 | jetscreamer | !ops not mr hemlock |
| 15:10.16 | KarlosII | hehehe |
| 15:10.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: not mr hemlock |
| 15:10.29 | bob2 | lord |
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| 15:10.38 | caphuso | damnit |
| 15:10.54 | jetscreamer | specify stage2 boot_drive [default=0x0] |
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| 15:11.24 | jetscreamer | manning and info'ing grub is useless... /usr/share/doc iirc |
| 15:11.39 | takatumi | info grub is good. |
| 15:11.48 | Mr-Falkor | angry neerds |
| 15:12.07 | PerfDave | The grub documentation sucks unholy ass |
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| 15:12.30 | citral | not as much as man xauth |
| 15:12.41 | directhex | the only good bash.org quotes are the ones with debian in |
| 15:12.44 | directhex | or me |
| 15:12.45 | directhex | or both! |
| 15:12.55 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.24 | asg | directhex: I think greycat's wins hands down |
| 15:13.31 | jetscreamer | root (hd1,0) |
| 15:13.33 | jetscreamer | kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 |
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| 15:15.01 | jetscreamer | you can load modules from command line of grub_boot? cool. |
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| 15:15.37 | jetscreamer | wow wtf is (hd0,2,a) |
| 15:16.03 | TNKS | hey guys, how out of synch is the kernel's ALSA with the lastest ALSA? |
| 15:16.27 | caphuso | jetscreamer: first bsd slice or something like that, IIRC |
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| 15:16.53 | Shadur | Not much, I'd hazard. |
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| 15:16.57 | greycat | TNKS: ask #alsa |
| 15:17.07 | jetscreamer | ah yeah bsd thing |
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| 15:17.47 | TwoSchubert | where can I paste an image? |
| 15:17.49 | caphuso | japanese blowfish |
| 15:17.57 | caphuso | grr |
| 15:17.57 | TwoSchubert | I mean, there're many sites to paste text and prevent from flooding... but what site offers pasting an image? |
| 15:17.58 | jetscreamer | !paste TwoSchubert |
| 15:18.05 | greycat | !fishsmite caphuso |
| 15:18.13 | jetscreamer | TwoSchubert, your webhost would :) |
| 15:18.17 | asg | caphuso: puffy-san? |
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| 15:18.39 | caphuso | asg: fugu |
| 15:18.47 | jetscreamer | !u |
| 15:18.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:18.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 15:19.06 | ruzbeh | great news everyone |
| 15:19.13 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 15:19.17 | ruzbeh | im switching to debian |
| 15:19.22 | asg | ruzbeh: you saved money on your car insurance by switching to Geiko? |
| 15:19.23 | jetscreamer | hoo-rah |
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| 15:19.48 | ruzbeh | asg, i dont have a car |
| 15:19.48 | takatumi | ruzbeh: from? |
| 15:19.49 | SlayerXP | ruzbeh: did you pass the Personal Initative Test required for using debian? |
| 15:19.49 | jetscreamer | *#Debian does the wave* |
| 15:19.58 | ruzbeh | takatumi, gentoo |
| 15:20.09 | ruzbeh | SlayerXP, THE WHAT |
| 15:20.20 | trouble | hi fella's |
| 15:20.20 | greycat | ruzbeh: it was right after the IQ test |
| 15:20.30 | SlayerXP | ruzbeh: test number #1: locate your capslock |
| 15:20.38 | citral | haha |
| 15:20.45 | jetscreamer | ruzbeh, we're looking for young cleancut self starters |
| 15:20.53 | trouble | point me to howto's for linux on mac |
| 15:21.12 | jetscreamer | or old hippies |
| 15:21.21 | citral | trouble: google |
| 15:21.22 | ruzbeh | how big is the difference between unstable and testing |
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| 15:21.25 | jetscreamer | i forget... which one was it |
| 15:21.38 | jetscreamer | ruzbeh, if you know nothing go testing |
| 15:21.44 | jetscreamer | if you know a little, go testing |
| 15:21.46 | stew | trouble: #debianppc |
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| 15:21.49 | citral | ruzbeh: version numbers |
| 15:22.05 | trouble | tried google and found out that everyone loves mac but no one really give a sh*t |
| 15:22.09 | jetscreamer | if you don't really care, go sid |
| 15:22.09 | stew | ruzbeh: if you are just switching to debian stay away from unstable for now |
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| 15:22.21 | citral | trouble: uh? |
| 15:22.28 | zulu | hey i'm using cdrecord blank=help and wonder how to blank my CD-RW ... fast or all ?? when to use one or the other? |
| 15:22.35 | ruzbeh | stew, can i go from stable to unstable without reinstalling stuff? |
| 15:22.40 | trouble | brb |
| 15:22.41 | jetscreamer | s/if you don't really care, go sid/if you don't really care if it breaks, go sid/ |
| 15:22.42 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:22.45 | stew | ruzbeh: yes |
| 15:22.46 | jetscreamer | well no but yes |
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| 15:22.51 | ruzbeh | ok go0d |
| 15:22.57 | citral | trouble: look at the volume of the debian-powerpc mailing list, that would give you an idea |
| 15:22.57 | jetscreamer | you have to reinstall the sid versions... aka upgrade |
| 15:22.58 | stew | ruzbeh: is this going to be a server or desktop? |
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| 15:23.13 | trouble | ok |
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| 15:23.53 | ruzbeh | stew, desktop, but i like fresh software |
| 15:24.05 | stew | ruzbeh: then you want testing, /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:24.11 | ruzbeh | ok |
| 15:24.27 | stew | ruzbeh: you really don't want to be running unstable until you are very familiar with fixing debian specific problems |
| 15:24.43 | ruzbeh | nahhhh |
| 15:24.43 | Bwl | Am I the only one having APT problems, I haven't updated my system for some months. GPG problem due to expired PGP key? |
| 15:25.19 | stew | ruzbeh: testing lags behind unstable by weeks, not months, and you can install a package or two from unstable when you "need" to |
| 15:25.30 | citral | zulu: if you had a look at man cdrecord, you would see that blank=all is there only for some special drives that refuse to do fast |
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| 15:25.55 | ruzbeh | stew, ok, thanks, i'll be going for testing |
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| 15:26.31 | ruzbeh | can i install debian through chroot or by booting a floppy and installing from an .ISO on my hard drive? |
| 15:26.47 | zulu | true, sorry citral |
| 15:26.51 | stew | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 15:26.55 | zulu | ok doing fast for default now :) |
| 15:26.57 | stew | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 15:27.06 | zulu | thx citral |
| 15:27.06 | ruzbeh | thanks! >=) |
| 15:27.10 | citral | zulu: no problem |
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| 15:28.21 | citral | how to speak with the nose |
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| 15:29.11 | HolyGoat | anyone know if there are iso's available for unstable? |
| 15:29.20 | citral | but maybe not as bad as a french guy trying to speak english |
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| 15:29.27 | citral | like me |
| 15:29.30 | asg | HolyGoat: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:29.30 | SlayerXP | HolyGoat: *NEVER* use an apostrophe to pluralise. |
| 15:29.31 | ricky_clarkson | citral: There are so many accents in England that you need to be more specific. |
| 15:29.41 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: Not even with "CDs"? |
| 15:29.42 | LeBear | no way.. I love the french accent. hehe |
| 15:29.52 | citral | ricky_clarkson: the BBC accent, for example |
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| 15:29.53 | SlayerXP | ricky_clarkson: never. |
| 15:30.16 | wfq | I have one problem. I have compiled my 2.6.3 kernel with ide, system file and scsi inside kernel. This is as (*). I have compiled with initrd (ramdisk and loopback inside kernel)... but I have kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on hda1 |
| 15:30.19 | LeBear | so eh.. dere was dis guy dere, an he speak de english not so good, but he try real hard wen he talk, no? |
| 15:30.21 | wfq | why? |
| 15:30.48 | PerfDave | citral: There is no longer a BBC accent, though there used to be Received Pronounciation |
| 15:30.49 | citral | wfq: did you compile your file system built-in? |
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| 15:31.04 | asg | wfq: did you tell your boot loader about the initrd? Did you infact build an initrd at all? |
| 15:31.04 | HolyGoat | asg: yes, points me to the faq, but I'd like to do an install with kernel 2.6 :) |
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| 15:31.10 | mohohaha | anyone use xmame? |
| 15:31.15 | asg | HolyGoat: then use sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 15:31.18 | citral | !bad polls |
| 15:31.18 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 15:31.27 | Shadur | Hmm. Am I overlooking something or does find not have a simple way of specifying "all files more than one month old" ? |
| 15:31.31 | HolyGoat | asg: sarge is at 2.4 right? wouldn't be there at install time |
| 15:31.47 | asg | Shadur: -mtime +31 |
| 15:31.54 | asg | HolyGoat: no, it has 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 15:31.56 | takatumi | HolyGoat: both 2.4 and 2.6 are available |
| 15:32.00 | HolyGoat | ahh |
| 15:32.02 | HolyGoat | thanks guys |
| 15:32.11 | citral | HolyGoat: if you tell "linux26" at the promppt, the installer will boot with 2.6 |
| 15:32.27 | Shadur | asg: Missed the + sign. Thanks. |
| 15:32.33 | asg | Shadur: you're welcome |
| 15:33.00 | HolyGoat | citral: thanks a bunch |
| 15:33.23 | PerfDave | You don't want to use "linux26" to install Sarge on a dual-boot NTFS system. |
| 15:33.46 | greycat | PerfDave: why's that? |
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| 15:34.23 | PerfDave | greycat: Known bug, you can trash the partition table very badly, and then it's reinstalling everything from scratch time. |
| 15:34.42 | asg | PerfDave: is that with rc2? thought it was fixed in the daily builds. |
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| 15:34.55 | PerfDave | asg: AIUI it's a 2.6 issue, not a Debian installer issue. |
| 15:35.01 | asg | PerfDave: oh, okay |
| 15:35.04 | PerfDave | I just know that I trashed a system with it :/ |
| 15:35.21 | citral | It was for your own good! :) |
| 15:35.23 | mrhemlock | lerned the hard way ;) |
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| 15:35.30 | HolyGoat | PerfDave: even not when the ntfs partition is a different physical disk? |
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| 15:35.45 | PerfDave | HolyGoat: I imagine it'd be fine then, but don't take my word for it ;) |
| 15:36.07 | mrhemlock | make sure you backup ;) |
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| 15:36.18 | HolyGoat | PerfDave: okay, thanks a lot, I'll remove it first, no big deal |
| 15:36.24 | PerfDave | mrhemlock: Fortunately, I am sensible enough to back up before having trouble. |
| 15:36.35 | PerfDave | HolyGoat: Or just install Sarge with 2.4 and install a 2.6 kernel later. |
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| 15:37.44 | HolyGoat | PerfDave: yeah but I'd like to (well, my boss actually) actually install with 2.6, 2.4 hardware support seems to be lacking enough to not get past the partitioning |
| 15:38.19 | Denn | How can i stop eth0 ? |
| 15:38.22 | PerfDave | HolyGoat: Sucks to be you. |
| 15:38.25 | Denn | because need to ifup it agian |
| 15:38.25 | PerfDave | Denn: Stop it how? |
| 15:38.26 | citral | ifdown eth0 |
| 15:38.55 | HolyGoat | PerfDave: not my pc, my pc at home is running debian testing just fine :) |
| 15:39.01 | Denn | citral thanks |
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| 15:39.12 | asg | PerfDave: the rc2 errata indicates it is 'believed' to be fixed in the daily builds. |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | Sdnlse: stop it |
| 15:39.24 | PerfDave | asg: Fair enough. I'll wait for RC3 :) |
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| 15:39.58 | abrotman | bah .. stupid fucking registered bots |
| 15:40.29 | asg | PerfDave: :) |
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| 15:40.35 | stew | abrotman: getting spam despite being +E now? |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | stew: they're registered |
| 15:40.50 | stew | sucky |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | doesn't stop registered people |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | and i can't get a voice in #freenode to get them klined |
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| 15:41.22 | abrotman | not on-join .. alphabetical |
| 15:41.26 | jetx | abrotman: #freenode topic says just /msg them |
| 15:41.32 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | jetx: i know .. but the guy who i tried to message was away :) |
| 15:41.45 | abrotman | jetx: the guy who was doing the klining before |
| 15:41.55 | sussudio | we need a bot called aardvark then |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:42.03 | abrotman | like .. apt? |
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| 15:42.11 | abrotman | aaaaapt :) |
| 15:42.18 | sussudio | there's an eggdrop script that will ban people if it /msg'es it with http: |
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| 15:42.39 | sussudio | apt isn't an eggdrop |
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| 15:43.01 | abrotman | i know |
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| 15:43.10 | sparr | Can anyone here help me figure out whats wrong with my (other nick's) ident server? |
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| 15:43.29 | abrotman | why do people care about ident servers so much .. that's like 20 times in 2 days |
| 15:43.45 | Ikarus | ident is kinda useless except on secure networks |
| 15:43.52 | Ikarus | with secure boxen |
| 15:44.00 | jetx | why does he get autovoice in freenode :/ |
| 15:44.19 | abrotman | dunno |
| 15:44.19 | jetx | i'm tellin my mommy |
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| 15:44.28 | abrotman | better yet how does jetx know this |
| 15:44.41 | mooded | cause irc cares about the ident servers , abrotman :) |
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| 15:44.42 | ikaro | hellas everyone. |
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| 15:44.47 | abrotman | mooded: i don't have one |
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| 15:45.01 | mooded | abrotman, yea .. for freenode this might be fine |
| 15:45.02 | jetx | err swoosh |
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| 15:45.17 | abrotman | mother of god |
| 15:45.20 | jetx | w2k adv srv is my fax machine |
| 15:45.30 | edibletext | heh |
| 15:45.49 | sparr | abrotman: because a lot of channels dont let you in without them |
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| 15:45.59 | abrotman | sparr: haven't had a problem yet |
| 15:46.01 | ixi | Where to get odbc driver for MSSQL? apt-cache found none |
| 15:46.21 | abrotman | ixi: depends on your language |
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| 15:46.32 | mooded | sparr, also cant follow that.. the irc-servers care.. the channels dont care about ident at all |
| 15:46.34 | mooded | imho |
| 15:46.36 | abrotman | !kill DgIjcJ |
| 15:46.39 | ixi | abrotman: sorry? Is there a free MSSQL odbc driver? |
| 15:46.45 | abrotman | ixi: which language? |
| 15:46.50 | ixi | abrotman: php |
| 15:46.56 | abrotman | ixi: i'm using PHP to connect to MSSQL right now |
| 15:46.56 | ixi | abrotman: ? :) |
| 15:47.04 | ixi | abrotman: w/o ODBC? |
| 15:47.05 | jetx | you have to be identified to get in #asterisk, and some other channel i frequent |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | ixi: hrm .. using sybase drivers |
| 15:47.20 | sparr | mooded: /mode #channel +b *!~*@* |
| 15:47.23 | stew | jetx: identified with nickserv, not by ident though, right? |
| 15:47.23 | abrotman | but PHP does have odbc stuff |
| 15:47.32 | ixi | abrotman: but, again - you connect directly or via ODNC unified? |
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| 15:47.38 | MesaMan | What is the most *stable* instant messenger client available for Linux and X? |
| 15:47.38 | jetx | stew, no idea beyond me |
| 15:47.47 | jetx | gaim is ok |
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| 15:47.54 | abrotman | ixi: i'm doing it via sybase libs .. freetds .. but i don't see why odbc wouldn't work |
| 15:47.57 | aardvark | bingo |
| 15:48.01 | ledet | MesaMan: which have you tried? |
| 15:48.06 | aardvark | instant spam |
| 15:48.07 | ixi | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | aardvark: feel better? |
| 15:48.35 | aardvark | abrotman: did you get spammed by DgIjcJ too? |
| 15:48.39 | abrotman | aardvark: repeatedly |
| 15:48.45 | aardvark | indeed |
| 15:48.56 | MesaMan | ledet: the KDE one for MSN, currently... It seems to lose connection, randomly... other than that, I haven't tried any recently... |
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| 15:49.18 | abrotman | aardvark: i've been over this with rez or richih .. it doesn't seem to hit the whole alphabet .. just the first few people |
| 15:49.27 | aardvark | hm |
| 15:49.32 | aardvark | and again |
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| 15:49.37 | jetx | gaim does aim, msn,irc,others i guess... and video/voice in beta |
| 15:49.38 | abrotman | and over and over |
| 15:49.41 | arango | I want to make a kernel-image package for a kernel source that I am modifying. Do I have to use make-kpg to compile each time I make a change or can I just use "make" as usual and only use make-kpkg when I am ready to make a package ? |
| 15:49.42 | abrotman | DgIjcJ: stop it |
| 15:49.44 | aardvark | uh huh |
| 15:50.03 | jetx | arango: try make-kpkg --targets once |
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| 15:50.34 | aardvark | UdontKnow: DgIjcJ is ~AfdrNlDU@cm142.sigma213.maxonline.com.sg * XpjBL is spamming people in alphabetic order |
| 15:50.43 | strk | does anyone know how to put mplayer in background ? |
| 15:50.49 | Rawplayer | & |
| 15:50.50 | jetx | ctrl+z ? |
| 15:50.52 | Rawplayer | or in screen |
| 15:50.54 | arango | jetx: that prints the targets, I saw that. How does that help me ? |
| 15:50.54 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 15:50.56 | citral | strk: mplayer mysong.wav& ? |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | aardvark: i've been waiting for a voice .. but i guesss i'll be waiting longer |
| 15:51.07 | UdontKnow | aardvark: ty |
| 15:51.09 | strk | no.. it stops... requires console w/out switches |
| 15:51.11 | aardvark | UdontKnow: ktnx |
| 15:51.13 | njan | hurrah :_) |
| 15:51.17 | strk | Rawplayer: in screen ? |
| 15:51.29 | jetx | arango: just if there's some functionality you want... make-kpkg will do make, so you'ld be doing make > once i guess |
| 15:51.30 | Rawplayer | apt-get install screen |
| 15:51.30 | strk | are you suggesting I open a session for just it ?! |
| 15:51.34 | arango | jetx: I am making little changes and I would like to compile without making packages until the changes are complete |
| 15:51.38 | strk | I use screen daily |
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| 15:51.45 | abrotman | and i don't know who in here has rights to kline anyone .. |
| 15:51.45 | jetx | arango: beyond me |
| 15:51.56 | aardvark | abrotman: /who *.staff.freenode |
| 15:52.00 | njan | abrotman, odds are if he was spamming one channel, he was spamming another |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | aardvark: and is awake :) |
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| 15:52.08 | abrotman | njan: you think? |
| 15:52.10 | citral | abrotman: ask Geert? |
| 15:52.12 | aardvark | abrotman: just /whois them |
| 15:52.15 | abrotman | citral: i did .. he's away |
| 15:52.20 | citral | abrotman: oh ok |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | or was anyways |
| 15:52.24 | strk | anyone else? *actual users would probably know* |
| 15:52.26 | chris_d | Can somebody recommend an easy way to select from multiple wireless profiles? |
| 15:52.34 | abrotman | netenv maybe? |
| 15:52.34 | njan | chris_d, wifiradar |
| 15:52.43 | ledet | MesaMan: if its msn you want, gaim is probably fine |
| 15:52.54 | njan | chris_d, http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ |
| 15:52.57 | ledet | MesaMan: i dont use msn or gaim myself though |
| 15:53.09 | citral | strk: we told you... "mplayer mysong.wav &" |
| 15:53.14 | chris_d | njan: Thanks. |
| 15:53.18 | njan | chris_d, yvw |
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| 15:53.54 | ruzbeh | i download debootstrap, there were some programs listed and it said they were "depends" (with the icon thing), does this mean i need to get those additional files? |
| 15:54.06 | strk | citral: I told you: doesn't wont to CONT like that |
| 15:54.09 | quiet | how do set it to boot to KDM rather than GDM ?? |
| 15:54.17 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 15:54.18 | PerfDave | quiet: apt-get install kdm |
| 15:54.20 | asg | quiet: install kde |
| 15:54.25 | quiet | i have KDE |
| 15:54.26 | asg | eep |
| 15:54.27 | strk | citral: keeps being STOPPED |
| 15:54.27 | asg | s/e/m/ |
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| 15:55.14 | mrhemlock | quiet, man update-alternatives |
| 15:55.45 | quiet | will kde 3.4 be put into sarge after it's release today? |
| 15:55.46 | citral | strk: that's right, just made the TEST |
| 15:56.05 | strk | great |
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| 15:56.41 | abrotman | aardvark: yay! |
| 15:57.41 | citral | strk: mplayer options file < /dev/null & |
| 15:58.19 | strk | nice... thank you |
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| 15:59.25 | MesaMan | ledet: ok, thanks! |
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| 15:59.48 | dhuv | hello all |
| 15:59.50 | mrhemlock | quiet, new version of packages go to unstable first, then from unstable to testing. So first it needs to go to unstable, probably that will take a few days, ask in #debian-kde |
| 16:00.06 | ledet | MesaMan: i'm quite happy with licq though... only works for icq at the moment |
| 16:00.08 | quiet | mrhemlock, thanks |
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| 16:00.28 | citral | bitlbee rocks |
| 16:00.33 | asg | yes, it's nifty |
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| 16:00.50 | dhuv | i tried out evolution 2.1 on the ubuntu live cd and though it was great. i am really looking forward to using it in debian. I see the package in the experimental list, but any idea when it will be in unstable? |
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| 16:01.08 | mod_ | hello |
| 16:01.11 | stew | quiet: if 3.4 was just released today, its likely that 3.4 would not be packaged for debian until after sarge releases |
| 16:01.12 | MesaMan | ledet: ICQ is the one IM that I *don't* have from the big 4 |
| 16:01.15 | citral | dhuv: no idea |
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| 16:01.32 | quiet | stew, which will be what.. 2 years? |
| 16:01.34 | mod_ | can someone help me with the nat configuration? |
| 16:01.50 | asg | quiet: optimistic estimates are end of April |
| 16:01.56 | quiet | wow |
| 16:02.03 | stew | quiet: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 16:02.06 | citral | mod_: you'd better ask in #iptables if it's not specifically debian related |
| 16:02.07 | zulu | hi, I need to make a fdisk /mbr to clean my mbr, but I only have XP for the moment... I formated a bootable floppy the question is... where is fdisk on this !^!# XP??? |
| 16:02.08 | asg | quiet: /topic #debian-kde |
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| 16:02.42 | mod_ | citral: well, it is |
| 16:02.49 | streuner_ | zulu: troll somewhere else |
| 16:02.57 | citral | mod_: then go on, ask your question |
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| 16:03.26 | zulu | streuner_, this is in order to install debian... don't be so... |
| 16:03.30 | mte_ | hello..i have woody 3.0r2 on cd and would like to try it - but the problem is eth adapter - nforce2 which requires nvnet or forcedeth drivers. What would be the best way to get it and install it? What about kernel version (it's going to be a workstation so 2.6 would be nice) - is it better to get it with some sarge or is it ok to install the default 2.2 and then upgrade? |
| 16:03.31 | zulu | anyway... thx for support :) |
| 16:03.41 | asg | mte_: use sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 16:04.21 | takatumi | zulu: why do you need to do fdisk /mbr to install debian? |
| 16:04.30 | citral | mod_: 1) don't /msg people without asking first 2) better ask here, someone probably knows better than I do |
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| 16:05.03 | mte_ | asg tnx..i tried sarge but it installed grub instead of lilo - which causes problems on my pc because 2 bootable partitions are within the last 20gb of 120gb disk and it displayed me some error (don't remember the number though) |
| 16:05.06 | zulu | takatumi, why do you want to know? |
| 16:05.20 | mod_ | seemd my admin has locked the nat, it works thru modem but not trough my lan, wahat can i do with this? |
| 16:05.22 | asg | mte_: you can install lilo by doing an 'expert' install iirc |
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| 16:05.38 | mte_ | asg thanks - what about nvnet - is it included in sarge? |
| 16:05.51 | asg | mte_: nvnet? what's that? |
| 16:06.05 | mte_ | asg or forcedeth - driver for nforce2 network adapter |
| 16:06.23 | asg | mte_: ah, they are supported by the 2.6 install kernel and maybe even the 2.4 one. |
| 16:06.24 | citral | mod_: what is "not working"? you can't ping other computers in the LAN? |
| 16:06.40 | asg | mte_: at the install boot: prompt, just hit F1-F9 for more info in install options, etc. |
| 16:06.40 | mte_ | asg ok thank you very much, gonna try now ;) |
| 16:06.48 | mte_ | thanks ;) |
| 16:06.57 | mte_ | see ya |
| 16:07.00 | asg | :) |
| 16:07.35 | streuner_ | zulu: where do you live, paris? |
| 16:07.44 | mod_ | citral: noo icmp requests are okay, tcp and udp packets r not returning from the internet |
| 16:07.52 | zulu | streuner_, why do you want to know :) |
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| 16:08.31 | streuner_ | zulu: cause i would go in some cafe - it pretty nice, better than trolling here ;-) |
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| 16:09.15 | CoffOff | hi |
| 16:09.30 | citral | mod_: looks like a bad firewall config, the admin can have blocked requests from outside, but it should not block connections that you initiated. Why don't you just ask your admin? |
| 16:09.31 | abrotman | engrish? |
| 16:09.37 | zulu | yes but if you want to know everything... my little sister is in big shit, I have it on the phone and I gave her a nice fresh DD but I forgot to remove my lilo on it .... |
| 16:09.52 | zulu | that's why.... |
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| 16:10.12 | zulu | but if one day I find the way to clean by the phone this !@#$ mbr... |
| 16:10.15 | CoffOff | i am installing logrotate, but when I try to install it (via apt-get) it tryen to install exim !!! but i have manually installed postfix ... can i install logrotate from apt-get and dont install exim |
| 16:10.16 | CoffOff | ?? |
| 16:10.23 | streuner_ | zulu: in order to install debian you DO NOT need to alter MBR |
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| 16:10.26 | zulu | I could go to have a binch and me souler la gueule in the regle of the art :) |
| 16:10.28 | mod_ | citral: coz its illegal to have more than one machine connected on one ip, iam talking about the computers connected to my server |
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| 16:10.36 | stew | CoffOff: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 16:10.42 | zulu | ok... |
| 16:10.44 | abrotman | mod_: it's illegal? |
| 16:10.45 | zulu | thx for support :) |
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| 16:10.49 | streuner_ | zulu: d-i (debian-installer) makes that for you auto |
| 16:10.59 | zulu | ok.. |
| 16:11.14 | abrotman | mod_: you mean it violates your TOS .. i don't think you go to jail for that |
| 16:11.17 | Bebabo | . /usr/bin/time -v in debian doesn't seem to get memory usage of a process, is there an alternative ? |
| 16:11.19 | takatumi | he's trying to boot to winbloze. |
| 16:11.27 | citral | mod_: so you have a server connected to the modem, and a second NIC connected to your LAN? |
| 16:11.45 | mod_ | abrotman: yes, he is locking nat machines, iam just wandering how to make transparent proxy? |
| 16:11.53 | citral | s/and a/with a/ |
| 16:12.29 | toomboy | anyone have any idea how i can figure out what thing is opening port 80 on my box so i can remove it? netstat -nlp just says '-' is the process name, and fuser doesnt list anything, and yes im root |
| 16:12.40 | mod_ | citral: iam connected to my LAN and i have a LAN , i was talking earlier about the modem as a gateway, all works great , but when im trying to nat on my LAN it fails |
| 16:12.49 | sgeigerb` | !test |
| 16:12.49 | dpkg | Yes, sgeigerb`, you're still online. |
| 16:12.50 | streuner_ | takatumi: hm, d-i would do that for him too |
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| 16:14.28 | takatumi | streuner_: it's probably not even debian. |
| 16:14.34 | citral | mod_: then set it up correctly... I highly doubt this has anything to do with your admin |
| 16:14.40 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: are you still sore at me? |
| 16:14.53 | abrotman | toomboy: fuser or lsof |
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| 16:16.22 | mod_ | citral: it worked fine and now only trough the modem, i dont think it is faulty script |
| 16:16.22 | ViNc3 | i m having trouble at reboot after a debian install on my laptop |
| 16:16.30 | tdonahue | does anyone know of any GTK# packages for dpkg? |
| 16:16.31 | shakparl | what, slashdot, biased? never ;> |
| 16:16.33 | abrotman | KarlosII: read kuro5hin |
| 16:16.35 | ViNc3 | boot stops on checking hardware |
| 16:16.46 | streuner_ | tdonahue: we need the first error you got |
| 16:16.56 | shakparl | KarlosII: regarding what, political views, servers etc |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | and i don't think biasesness is a word |
| 16:17.14 | takatumi | ViNc3: tried ctrl-c? |
| 16:17.19 | streuner_ | ViNc3: we need the first error you got |
| 16:17.20 | ViNc3 | iup |
| 16:17.37 | tdonahue | streuner_, checking for gtk-sharp-2.0 glade-sharp-2.0... Package gtk-sharp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 16:17.38 | toomboy | abrotman: fuser doesnt show anything, and im not sure how lsof can show whats bound by port numbers. |
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| 16:17.50 | citral | mod_: very hard to help you, it's so vague... check interfaces, route etc. in your script |
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| 16:18.05 | ViNc3 | install works fine but the reboot never ends |
| 16:18.20 | ViNc3 | it stops on modem check or link 1394 |
| 16:18.26 | asg | toomboy: lsof | grep TCP |
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| 16:18.36 | streuner_ | ViNc3: did you verify the iso? |
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| 16:18.42 | ViNc3 | iup |
| 16:18.49 | ViNc3 | 1 was from a magazine |
| 16:18.50 | streuner_ | ViNc3: ok, /j #debian-boot |
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| 16:19.08 | mod_ | citral: ive tried also others scripts and the result is same, works only by a modem |
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| 16:19.11 | streuner_ | ViNc3: which magazine? |
| 16:19.19 | ViNc3 | eyrolles editions |
| 16:19.24 | ViNc3 | from a book |
| 16:19.40 | ViNc3 | brb must be away fex minutes |
| 16:19.44 | streuner_ | so that's from sarge or woody? |
| 16:19.48 | ViNc3 | sarge |
| 16:19.56 | ViNc3 | either netinst did the same |
| 16:20.03 | ViNc3 | i verified the md5sum ok |
| 16:20.07 | ViNc3 | brb |
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| 16:20.13 | toomboy | hmm odd, lsof then only shows imap2, auth, smtp, ssh being bound via tcp |
| 16:20.21 | toomboy | and i know none of those run on port 80 |
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| 16:20.44 | roods | how do you set the delimiter for the `sort' command |
| 16:20.45 | citral | mod_: you tried to install squid? |
| 16:20.50 | asg | toomboy: does 'fuser 80/tcp' list anything interesting? |
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| 16:21.50 | stew | toomboy: have you tried pointing a web browser or telnet at it and seeing if any useful information surfaces? |
| 16:22.05 | print | What would be the proper iptables/route incantation to direct traffic from one source to be sent out over an alternate interface? |
| 16:22.05 | mod_ | citral: i got it, as well as www access but everything non~80 has no routing |
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| 16:23.02 | asg | roods: -t (field separator) |
| 16:23.04 | mod_ | citral: got some idea how to use squids transparent proxy on all ports? |
| 16:23.10 | roods | asg, thank you |
| 16:23.24 | toomboy | asg: lists nothing at all. roughly i got root exploited recently, through apache, so tryin to figure this out, cuz its still being exploited obviously. |
| 16:23.38 | asg | toomboy: and you did that as root? |
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| 16:23.40 | citral | mod_: never did that... I don't know much, but I think you may want to redirect TCP connections |
| 16:23.55 | roods | asg, is there a way to speed up the sort by allowing it to use more memory, it doesn't seem to work with the -S option |
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| 16:24.34 | asg | roods: not that I'm aware of. If you need to do such non-trivial sorting, I'd suggest using perl or python. |
| 16:24.39 | citral | mod_: look at the "redir" package |
| 16:25.15 | toomboy | asg: of course. |
| 16:25.38 | citral | gtg |
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| 16:25.47 | mod_ | citral: redir help when u need some mapping , and i need the nat or some direct proxy |
| 16:26.13 | roods | asg, i tried perl and it was super slow so people said use db_file and i didn't want to create a database just to sort one file |
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| 16:27.15 | asg | roods: hmmm, did you read the 'info coreutils sort' for -S (it provides more info than the manpage) |
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| 16:27.39 | festerdublin | i have a compaq proliant 6000 . i ahve a kernel with smp support added.. but it wont pick up the 4 processors in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:27.51 | roods | asg, yes it just doesn't actually work |
| 16:27.51 | festerdublin | any ideas? |
| 16:27.51 | asg | festerdublin: did you install a -smp kernel image? |
| 16:27.55 | festerdublin | yep[! |
| 16:28.07 | asg | roods: ouch. You might want to file a bug or check the bts to see if someone reported that. |
| 16:28.12 | brosio | festerdublin, just a second |
| 16:28.15 | brosio | i check mine |
| 16:28.15 | festerdublin | thanks |
| 16:28.26 | asg | festerdublin: what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 16:28.51 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me what's wrong with my vsftp server? |
| 16:28.53 | festerdublin | thanks 2.4.18-686-smp |
| 16:29.02 | KarlosII | shakparl, oh the anti msn fud about privacy, I don't like MS but posting that garbage is redicolous |
| 16:29.04 | asg | hmmmm |
| 16:29.11 | festerdublin | want to see /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 16:29.44 | festerdublin | funny thing is.. that i have two machines idential.. |
| 16:29.49 | festerdublin | one works the other doesnt. |
| 16:30.07 | ViNc3 | i m back |
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| 16:30.19 | asg | festerdublin: only if 'grep processor /proc/cpuinfo' returns more than one line or anything at all. |
| 16:30.45 | ViNc3 | so is there any way to disable hardware check on debian first boot ? |
| 16:30.48 | festerdublin | processor : 0 |
| 16:30.52 | festerdublin | thats it |
| 16:30.55 | asg | hmmmm |
| 16:30.59 | festerdublin | its really weird.. |
| 16:31.04 | festerdublin | i tried compiling my own too.. |
| 16:31.06 | festerdublin | that didnt work.. |
| 16:31.10 | festerdublin | the machine is fine.. |
| 16:31.23 | festerdublin | it boots fine + previous os (windoze) worked on it too.. |
| 16:31.27 | festerdublin | with 4 |
| 16:31.42 | brosio | i have two cpu |
| 16:31.48 | brosio | on proc/cpuinfo |
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| 16:31.57 | brosio | processor : 0 |
| 16:31.57 | brosio | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 16:31.57 | asg | brosio: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:32.02 | brosio | processor : 1 |
| 16:32.02 | brosio | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 16:32.15 | brosio | uname -a |
| 16:32.15 | brosio | Linux Linux-1.sci.uniud.it 2.6.10 #1 SMP Wed Feb 23 18:25:53 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:32.46 | festerdublin | any one any idea? |
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| 16:32.54 | festerdublin | they come up fine in the post |
| 16:33.22 | asg | festerdublin: does 'dmesg | grep CPU' indicate only one or 4 processors? |
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| 16:33.52 | festerdublin | can i past that here? |
| 16:33.53 | brosio | Brought up 2 CPUs |
| 16:33.53 | brosio | CPU0: |
| 16:33.53 | brosio | CPU1: |
| 16:33.58 | brosio | me both |
| 16:33.59 | festerdublin | yep.. i got two.. |
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| 16:34.07 | brosio | only two u ? |
| 16:34.14 | asg | festerdublin: that's very odd |
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| 16:34.17 | festerdublin | can i paste that here? |
| 16:34.26 | asg | festerdublin: only if it's <3 lines |
| 16:34.29 | festerdublin | nope.. |
| 16:34.32 | festerdublin | way more. |
| 16:34.38 | asg | festerdublin: paste in #flood then |
| 16:34.39 | stouset | \ |
| 16:34.56 | abrotman | festerdublin: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 16:35.43 | festerdublin | Initializing CPU#0 |
| 16:35.43 | festerdublin | CPUnerd: Before vendor init, caps: 0183fbff 00000000 00000000, vendor = 0 |
| 16:35.43 | festerdublin | CPUnerd: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K |
| 16:35.44 | festerdublin | CPUnerd: L2 cache: 1024K |
| 16:35.44 | festerdublin | CPUnerd: After vendor init, caps: 0183fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 |
| 16:35.44 | festerdublin | Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. |
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| 16:35.56 | Rucas | is there any way to remove a package recursively, say i installed gnome, can i have it remove gnome and all of the other dependencies it installed |
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| 16:36.28 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can restart vsftpd? |
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| 16:36.41 | fester | sorry got booted. |
| 16:36.47 | fester | due to flooding.. |
| 16:36.49 | fester | LOL. |
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| 16:37.10 | asg | fester: does dmesg | grep 'SMP motherboard not detected' return? |
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| 16:37.36 | fester | found that! |
| 16:37.48 | fester | fester@bender:~$ dmesg | grep 'SMP motherboard not detected' |
| 16:37.48 | fester | SMP motherboard not detected. |
| 16:37.50 | asg | fester: yeah, I found a redhat 7.1 post indicating the same issue. |
| 16:37.56 | fester | wtf? |
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| 16:38.05 | fester | i have two of them.. one machine is fine.. the other doesnt work .. |
| 16:38.08 | fester | even with the same kernel.. |
| 16:38.14 | fester | from the one that works.. |
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| 16:38.26 | asg | fester: and the motherboards are the same? bios settings identical? |
| 16:38.34 | fester | i believe so.. |
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| 16:38.41 | fester | i used smartstart.. to configure both of them.. |
| 16:38.57 | k10n | nån från sverige? |
| 16:39.14 | fester | its a proliant 6000 |
| 16:39.23 | fester | any other ideas asg? |
| 16:39.31 | Kvant | k10n, #debian.se |
| 16:39.47 | asg | fester: I don't have any experience with such hardware. My only suggestion it to try using a newer self-compiled kernel (2.4.29) just to see if that works. |
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| 16:40.12 | fester | tried that.. and nothing ? |
| 16:40.14 | asg | fester: if the box isn't really for mission critical work or you feel up to running testing (soon to be stable), I'd install that (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 16:40.39 | fester | ill try testing now. . |
| 16:40.40 | asg | fester: it will have newer kernels which might help. |
| 16:40.54 | karsten | asg: Salivate lately? |
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| 16:41.12 | asg | karsten: hehe, I've been drooling all day |
| 16:41.14 | karsten | asg: ...or would that just be: Got spit? |
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| 16:41.21 | karsten | asg: Love you too, brother. |
| 16:41.28 | asg | karsten: :) |
| 16:41.47 | fester | thanks asg for your help.. |
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| 16:41.52 | fester | Ill let you know how testing goes. |
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| 16:42.00 | asg | fester: you're welcome, sorry there wasn't a definitive answer. |
| 16:42.05 | ACiDC0re | hi |
| 16:42.14 | fester | no worries.. |
| 16:42.22 | ACiDC0re | anyone tried compiling hpt374 on linux-2.6.11.3 ? |
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| 16:42.34 | greycat | ACiDC0re: let me guess... you did. |
| 16:43.15 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bots |
| 16:43.32 | greycat | abrotman: /nick zbrotman |
| 16:43.39 | abrotman | greycat: i like my nick |
| 16:43.42 | Rucas | is there any way to remove a package and its dependencies recursively? say i installed gnome, and gnome required A B and C to be installed, can i remove gnome and A, B, and C at once? |
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| 16:44.10 | asg | Rucas: if you don't use aptitude, you'll need to grab deborphan and/or debfoster to help you prune out the cruft. |
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| 16:46.08 | quiet | i'm using Liquid Weather with SuperKaramba and when i try to change the zipcode, it doesn't work.. any help? |
| 16:46.19 | ACiDC0re | one sec |
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| 16:46.34 | asg | quiet: #debian-kde might know |
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| 16:47.09 | ACiDC0re | /home/acidc0re/Download/hp/entry.c:1099: error: unknown field `abort' specified in initializer |
| 16:47.09 | ACiDC0re | /home/acidc0re/Download/hp/entry.c:1099: error: unknown field `reset' specified in initializer |
| 16:47.15 | quiet | asg, i'll check that' |
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| 16:49.06 | ACiDC0re | ^^ hpt374 |
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| 16:49.22 | ACiDC0re | works well on 2.6.9 |
| 16:49.47 | ACiDC0re | im on 2.6.11.3 |
| 16:49.54 | ACiDC0re | and get this msges |
| 16:50.01 | ACiDC0re | can anyone help me ? |
| 16:50.03 | ACiDC0re | :) |
| 16:50.36 | greycat | ACiDC0re: probably not. ask whoever maintains that code. |
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| 16:51.10 | lestest | hi there what ports do I have to enable to let a user enter a ftp server? |
| 16:51.14 | lestest | is the listening port enough? |
| 16:51.24 | ViNc3 | 21 |
| 16:51.31 | Rawplayer | lestest: depends on your situation |
| 16:51.31 | asg | lestest: and 20 |
| 16:51.39 | Rawplayer | are you behind a router? |
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| 16:51.49 | Rawplayer | or is the server directly on the internet |
| 16:51.55 | ViNc3 | u may need to forward port |
| 16:52.03 | ViNc3 | if router |
| 16:52.03 | lestest | Rawplayer:directo connection but on port 2100 |
| 16:52.05 | asg | lestest: it's easier if you have your clients connect with pasv mode ftp or better yet, use scp |
| 16:52.30 | lestest | asg: I need to enable anonymous file transfer |
| 16:52.43 | lestest | I'm listening to port 2100 |
| 16:52.54 | asg | lestest: then pasv mode is the way to go, firewalling ftp is impossible to do cleanly |
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| 16:55.36 | lestest | pasv force all the stuff pass trough port 21? |
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| 16:56.18 | greycat | lestest: no, it makes the server pick a random port and announce it to the client, instead of making the client pick a random port and announcing it to the server for a breech connection, which is the default. |
| 16:56.33 | greycat | FTP. Must. Die. |
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| 16:57.14 | lestest | oh thankz |
| 16:57.24 | TheBlueWizard | hehe...hard to kill such a venerable protocol like FTP |
| 16:57.54 | greycat | !best lyric |
| 16:58.31 | azreal | is there anyway to make curses dialogs display correctly in an rxvt, im useing a vga font, but still programs like aptitude are displaying curses dialogs as asci characters. |
| 16:59.00 | Azra`el | hi Azreal |
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| 16:59.31 | karsten | dpkg: usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html |
| 16:59.31 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
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| 16:59.40 | azreal | Azra`el: hi. |
| 16:59.47 | karsten | !usb mount |
| 16:59.47 | dpkg | hmm... usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html |
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| 17:00.26 | topa_ | !gnome 2.10 |
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| 17:01.00 | topa_ | has anyone packaged GNOME 2.10 for sarge/sid ? |
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| 17:01.17 | topa_ | I know Hoary has it, but I don't want to taint my debian install |
| 17:01.23 | PerfDave | !info gnome sid |
| 17:01.26 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 17:01.50 | PerfDave | Wow, 64 is much bigger than 2.10. Hoary is lame! |
| 17:01.58 | topa_ | PerfDave lol |
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| 17:02.49 | topa_ | I know Davyd is packaging it but there's no confirmation that it will release for sid |
| 17:03.13 | toomboy | any eta on sarge becoming stable? |
| 17:03.17 | topa_ | so any unofficial repositories ?? |
| 17:03.42 | topa_ | toomboy maybe after the DPL elections |
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| 17:03.47 | asg | toomboy: optimistic estimates are the end of April |
| 17:04.07 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge pool |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | somebody said sarge pool was Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 17:04.31 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge pool 5 |
| 17:04.31 | dpkg | sarge pool 5 is, like, ! Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 |
| 17:04.31 | asg | ricky_clarkson: it really should be called sarge pool-ng |
| 17:04.52 | karsten | !tell toomboy about release |
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| 17:06.23 | ricky_clarkson | I just picked my next birthday, I didn't use any science ;) |
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| 17:08.04 | gamelux|qX | - [debian/woody] - i want 2 enable sockets in my PHP(4.3.8) - it says that i have 2 recompile PHP but i'm using debian and installed it with (apt-get install) - how do i recompile it with --enable sockets ? |
| 17:08.52 | asg | gamelux|qX: woody doesn't have php4.3.8 |
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| 17:10.46 | lestest | hi there is it possible to migrate an application between terminals without screen?? |
| 17:11.09 | karsten | lestest: Not readily. |
| 17:11.10 | asg | gamelux|qX: and, according to my php 4.1.2 on woody, phpinfo() shows '--enable-sockets' |
| 17:11.27 | gamelux|qX | hM |
| 17:11.40 | gamelux|qX | asg : before i installed it with apt-get |
| 17:11.47 | gamelux|qX | i had ApacheToolbox installed |
| 17:12.07 | gamelux|qX | maybe my Apache is confused with 'that' PHP asg |
| 17:12.07 | karsten | lestest: There's a remote X protocol that allows you to move apps, but they have to be launched specifically with that. You can use VNC to attach/detach to a GUI session. There's an X11vnc (or vncX11) server which will share your local X display. |
| 17:12.09 | asg | gamelux|qX: did you remove ATB before installing it? |
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| 17:12.17 | asg | gamelux|qX: that would be my guess. |
| 17:12.21 | lestest | karsten: is a terminal application |
| 17:12.25 | lestest | not a X application |
| 17:12.27 | gamelux|qX | asg :: there's not really a way 2 delete ATB ( at least i don't know how2 ) |
| 17:12.31 | borkabrak | Debian won't boot on its own. It hangs on the message "Real Time Clock Driver v1.12". I used Sarge to set it up, and it's using an SATA drive instead of IDE (so I booted from the CD with "linux26"). I can't seem to find this issue on the net or FAQs. Help? |
| 17:12.33 | gamelux|qX | i searched the web but could't find anything |
| 17:12.34 | asg | gamelux|qX: create a test.php with '<?phpinfo();?> in it and see what is reported. |
| 17:12.37 | lestest | karsten: is it possible? |
| 17:12.51 | gamelux|qX | asg : PHP Version 4.3.8 |
| 17:13.04 | gamelux|qX | that's still the APT version I think |
| 17:13.08 | lestest | karsten: is irssi actualy |
| 17:13.18 | gamelux|qX | but how can i delete that ? |
| 17:13.19 | asg | gamelux|qX: yes, then ATB is still installed. I'd check its installer and see if there is a delete / uninstall option |
| 17:13.25 | asg | !info php4 woody |
| 17:13.25 | gamelux|qX | no there isn't |
| 17:13.28 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-7.0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 569 kB, Installed size: 1369 kB |
| 17:13.35 | asg | gamelux|qX: ^^^^ that's the woody version |
| 17:13.38 | gamelux|qX | i searched the freaking web for it but couldn't find anything |
| 17:13.52 | gamelux|qX | do you have ANY idea how i can delete that? |
| 17:13.53 | asg | gamelux|qX: do you know if it installed its stuff in /usr/local? |
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| 17:14.18 | asg | gamelux|qX: preferrably in a /usr/local/apachetoolbox directory? |
| 17:14.22 | gamelux|qX | Nope |
| 17:14.25 | gamelux|qX | http://apollonet.eghost.nl/ |
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| 17:14.50 | gamelux|qX | I deleted a lott of directory's |
| 17:14.57 | Vladaz | is Debian Linux Sarge 3.1 latest version or not? |
| 17:15.06 | Vladaz | i've got CD of that version |
| 17:15.06 | asg | gamelux|qX: looks like parts are in /usr/local and /etc/php.d |
| 17:15.12 | lealgo | hola |
| 17:15.30 | gamelux|qX | php.d doesn't exist anymore |
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| 17:15.56 | gamelux|qX | what I did is: removed php with apt-get (and also apache) then searched for anything that was *php* or *apache* and deleted |
| 17:16.30 | dfused | ques: looking at setting up a debian box, needing RAID 0+1 prolly gonna use Adaptec, but maybe 3Ware... anyone got a link I can go to and make sure that the cards I'm gonna be using are supported? |
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| 17:17.21 | gamelux|qX | asg :: can i query you ? |
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| 17:17.38 | stephen__ | hello.. |
| 17:17.40 | stephen__ | asg are you here? |
| 17:17.42 | stephen__ | testing didnt work.. |
| 17:17.44 | asg | gamelux|qX: just keep it in channel, someone else might help |
| 17:17.45 | karsten | lestest: sec |
| 17:17.53 | Vladaz | is Debian Linux Sarge 3.1 latest version or not? |
| 17:17.55 | asg | stephen__: no? same single processor issue? |
| 17:17.56 | karsten | lestest: Basically, no. |
| 17:17.58 | stephen__ | yep! |
| 17:18.03 | stephen__ | its really REALLY weird. |
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| 17:18.10 | stephen__ | Would you like to have a look at the machine? |
| 17:18.14 | gamelux|qX | well, i have no idea how 2 delete ApacheToolbox and can't find anything on that subject (google) |
| 17:18.20 | karsten | lestest: Run screen. Then your app. You can save your session log, see your IRC help or ask channel. |
| 17:18.24 | Vladaz | what about that version?:D |
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| 17:18.26 | asg | stephen__: I wouldn't know where to begin. I can only think it's a bios or mobo issue. |
| 17:18.28 | Vladaz | is it latest? |
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| 17:18.45 | stephen__ | weird.. |
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| 17:18.57 | stephen__ | motherboard detects the processors. |
| 17:19.01 | stephen__ | they are all there.. |
| 17:19.06 | stephen__ | could it be mobo chipset? |
| 17:19.07 | Vladaz | is it latest? |
| 17:19.23 | lestest | karsten: I forgot |
| 17:19.34 | asg | stephen__: maybe. I'm not sure. dmesg picks them up, the kernel doesn't. |
| 17:19.36 | Vladaz | can someone answer please?:D |
| 17:19.37 | Octalthorpe | Anybody know why (or what I can do to fix) ps2pdf generating PDF files that don't appear to work in gpdf (and look bad in acroread)? |
| 17:19.49 | asg | stephen__: you did install a 2.6.x smp kernel on sarge right? |
| 17:19.54 | ricky_clarkson | Vladaz: Latest version of what? |
| 17:19.55 | karsten | lestest: Yeah. That's not a system mitigation invocation. So: remember. |
| 17:20.13 | asg | Vladaz: no Debian 3.0r4 is the latest |
| 17:20.15 | stephen__ | yep! |
| 17:20.19 | difeta | how can i login to my cups admin tool? localhost:631 my root username and password do not work |
| 17:20.23 | Vladaz | and what about sarge? |
| 17:20.25 | stephen__ | 2.6. |
| 17:20.32 | asg | Vladaz: it is the testing release |
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| 17:20.53 | asg | gamelux|qX: I have no idea what to do to remove it. If ATB has a mailing list, try asking on there. |
| 17:20.53 | Vladaz | ive got Debian Linux Sarge 3.1 Net Install |
| 17:20.58 | Vladaz | so is it good or bad? |
| 17:21.10 | drac | Vladaz: That is excellent. ;) |
| 17:21.10 | asg | Vladaz: what do you propose to do with the system? |
| 17:21.19 | quiet | torsmo doesn't stay running... any ideas why?? it shows up fora little bit. then goes away |
| 17:21.34 | gamelux|qX | Does any1 have any idea 2 delete ApacheToolbox from my system? ( my apache is confused and uses the ATB php version and not the Debian PHP ) - how could i fix this? |
| 17:21.35 | Vladaz | for server |
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| 17:21.53 | asg | quiet: start it from an xterm and see if it prints any useful error messages. |
| 17:22.00 | drac | quiet: Try running it with 'torsmo -b -d', double buffering, daemonize. |
| 17:22.44 | quiet | drac, that worked |
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| 17:22.54 | quiet | drac, how do i position it? |
| 17:22.58 | ricky_clarkson | Vladaz: That's fine. |
| 17:23.08 | Vladaz | ok |
| 17:23.12 | Vladaz | thanks |
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| 17:23.33 | ricky_clarkson | Is potato the latest potato? |
| 17:23.34 | drac | quiet: .torsmorc in your home directory, there is example of it in documentation. /usr/share/doc/torsmo/.. |
| 17:23.45 | quiet | drac, thanks |
| 17:23.56 | SkippedySkop | ok this is going to sound dodgy, but it really isn't, i need to transfer a/c's that need manually editing, now i need to get specific username / passes, off of a cobaltraq550 so i can migrate them over to a windows box, issue is, all the passwords are shadowed / encrypted with md5 in the berkeley db, i tried using -d on in.qpopper through inetd, to see if i could get it that way but to no avail, all i need is the pop passes anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:24.04 | aardvark | !any ideas |
| 17:24.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 17:25.22 | Delph | SkippedySkop: for x in mail users, reissue x with with a new password. |
| 17:25.34 | bluesfx | where is grub.conf placed on a new debian install? |
| 17:25.36 | asg | SkippedySkop: write a wrapper that sits in front of qpopper that just relays traffic and records it. (if you aren't encrypting the pop connection, just sniff the traffic) |
| 17:25.48 | SkippedySkop | hmm yeh i may use sniffit |
| 17:25.53 | asg | bluesfx: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:26.17 | bluesfx | :S oh , ok |
| 17:26.20 | bluesfx | thanks |
| 17:26.25 | SkippedySkop | i'll try sniffit anyway see what that produces |
| 17:26.32 | stew | SkippedySkop: or forget sniffing, you have the qpopper source, you could edit it to leak paswwords to a file |
| 17:26.59 | kethinov | !gnome 2.10 |
| 17:27.12 | kethinov | aww dpkg has nothing to say about it :( |
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| 17:27.15 | asg | SkippedySkop: the 'dsniff' package has some nice tools if you don't want to filter tcpdump output yourself. |
| 17:27.19 | asg | kethinov: /topic |
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| 17:27.39 | emcee | !topicsmite |
| 17:27.43 | SkippedySkop | yeh but that would mean recompiling, it's a cobalt raq, it came with it, there's no source |
| 17:27.45 | emcee | !topicsmite kenboo |
| 17:27.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kenboo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:27.49 | SkippedySkop | yeh thanks for the advice ;-) |
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| 17:28.55 | grivell | !cut kenboo |
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| 17:30.20 | gamelux|qX | Does any1 have any idea 2 delete ApacheToolbox from my system? ( my apache is confused and uses the ATB php version and not the Debian PHP ) - how could i fix this? |
| 17:30.28 | grivell | !ne1 |
| 17:30.28 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 17:32.29 | spiff_ | why aren't there sources for 2.6.(10|11)? |
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| 17:33.13 | quiet | how do I change the default window manager for XDM? |
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| 17:33.58 | slocate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.08 | quiet | slocate, thanks :) |
| 17:34.12 | stew | spiff_: there are 2.6.10 sources in sid, 2.6.10 has rc bugs so it can't enter sarge, 2.6.11 wont enter sarge becuase its a development kernel |
| 17:34.29 | bluesfx | why is grub.conf named menu.lst in debian? |
| 17:34.46 | zinx | bluesfx: because GRUB calls it menu.lst |
| 17:34.51 | cahoot | isn't that the original? |
| 17:34.54 | spiff_ | stew: oh, I must have missed it, thanks |
| 17:35.01 | zinx | bluesfx: and debian didn't modify it from what GRUB wants it to be called |
| 17:35.23 | stew | spiff_: http://packages.debian.org/kernel-source-2.6.10 you should be able to download the .deb from there |
| 17:35.25 | bluesfx | zinx: oh, great ... ;) thanks |
| 17:35.48 | zinx | bluesfx: had it been in /etc, it probably would have been changed, since i think there's a policy on stuff in /etc |
| 17:35.54 | zinx | bluesfx: but it's in /boot :P |
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| 17:36.47 | citral | are the kernel sources of the kernel-source packages already patched, or are they patched by running make-kpkg? |
| 17:37.00 | grivell | Already patched |
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| 17:37.23 | asg | citral: already patched |
| 17:37.30 | citral | kthx |
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| 17:37.58 | Flawless | Does someone know what the f... happened to the "symlinks" package? |
| 17:38.29 | asg | Flawless: for woody, sarge, or sid? |
| 17:38.34 | Flawless | sarge |
| 17:38.41 | citral | !info symlinks |
| 17:38.43 | asg | Flawless: /msg dpkg why is symlinks not in testing |
| 17:38.47 | dpkg | symlinks: (scan/change symbolic links), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 29 kB |
| 17:38.47 | citral | it's not in sarge |
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| 17:39.48 | quiet | how to add eth0 do bootup?? I installed via wireless so now i have to manually dhclient eth0 after bootup |
| 17:39.54 | asg | man 5 interfaces |
| 17:40.09 | citral | /msg -Debian dpkg FAQ |
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| 17:40.59 | stuartSan | woot am home finally |
| 17:41.10 | stuartSan | still downloading first 3 cd's of sarge -_- |
| 17:41.19 | asg | stuartSan: erm ... why? |
| 17:41.44 | stuartSan | asg: heard thats what i need for a 'standard desktop' debian system with drivers etc installed.. since the net-inst is having problems with my PPPoE |
| 17:41.50 | citral | O |
| 17:41.51 | citral | - |
| 17:41.52 | asg | stuartSan: oh, okay. |
| 17:41.58 | citral | gah |
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| 17:42.34 | Flawless | asg: thanks for the link |
| 17:42.42 | asg | Flawless: you're welcome |
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| 17:42.48 | tummyacid | any anyone tell me where to get help using bootcd tomake a bootable cd of my install? |
| 17:42.58 | Flawless | asg: The issue seems to have been resolved, but it's still listed in the bug database as open? |
| 17:42.59 | stuartSan | am just pretty much praying that i'll be able to get online after this isntall. its been 7 hours and i'm only at 38%, 86%, and 41% |
| 17:43.22 | asg | tummyacid: just read the docs, it's pretty easy |
| 17:43.33 | asg | Flawless: resolved in the bts report or upstream? |
| 17:43.34 | tummyacid | asg: man cdboot does not work |
| 17:43.39 | tummyacid | where are the docs? |
| 17:43.40 | asg | tummyacid: man bootcd |
| 17:43.44 | asg | tummyacid: /usr/share/doc/bootcd |
| 17:43.49 | tummyacid | thanx |
| 17:44.03 | TNKS | hello. I'm compiling the latest kernel, and although menuconfig is fine, I was using gconfig with previous kernels (2.6.9, which isn't that old). Now I'm getting "You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0." Does anybody know explicitly which packages I need? |
| 17:44.06 | morgajelWork | what's the flag for dpkg that re-installs a pristine copy of the config files? I can't seem to remember it |
| 17:44.10 | Flawless | asg: Here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273338 it seems to be resolved, but the link that got me to that page, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=symlinks&archive=no&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious#serious_pending, says it's still "a severe policy violation" |
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| 17:45.39 | stuartSan | so all i need to do is insert these 3 cd's as a source type when asked by installer and it'll automatically install a standard installation for me right |
| 17:45.54 | PerfDave | stuartSan: It'll install what you ask it o install. Read the Installation Manual. |
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| 17:46.28 | asg | Flawless: looks like it should filter in when they update things. In the meantime, if the dependancies aren't horrific, you can probably just install the package from sid (download it from snapshot.debian.net, don't alter your sources.lst) |
| 17:46.41 | Flawless | asg: ok, thanks |
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| 17:48.03 | asg | TNKS: look for 'libgtk*-dev, glib*-dev, libglade*-dev' (or something similar.) |
| 17:48.25 | asg | TNKS: you might have the libraries installed but you need the '-dev' packages which contain the headers files, etc. |
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| 17:48.33 | mst | 'lo |
| 17:48.57 | asg | \o/ |
| 17:48.58 | stuartSan | do i have a choice of kernels in sarge or is it a default 2.6 or something |
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| 17:49.20 | asg | stuartSan: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 for the install (apt-get install kernel-image (for the post-install list)) |
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| 17:50.43 | stuartSan | is there any documents about kernels because i've been hearing a lot of people in this channel complain bout 2.6 |
| 17:50.53 | greycat | !2.6 |
| 17:50.53 | dpkg | [2.6] /msg dpkg kp, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6, or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
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| 17:51.16 | asg | !worked in 2.4 |
| 17:51.17 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 17:51.32 | stuartSan | yeah i saw that |
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| 17:51.37 | stuartSan | the 25 cents thing lol |
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| 17:51.51 | pipeline | stuartSan: It's a default of 2.4, but you can hit "linux26" at the boot prompt to do 2.6 |
| 17:52.09 | greycat | yeah, hit the linux26 key on your keyboard :) |
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| 17:52.17 | greycat | it's right next to the bf24 key |
| 17:52.30 | nagual | 2.6.* has worked quite well here for some time. i guess the dev model isn´t the best, and i would be using 2.4 on a production box, but still... |
| 17:52.31 | asg | greycat: Super_L and Super_R |
| 17:52.38 | stuartSan | woot its greycat |
| 17:52.44 | stuartSan | were you the one that told me to get 3 cd's |
| 17:52.50 | stuartSan | or was it nsv |
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| 17:53.44 | greycat | if you're really nice I might paste(1) you back together |
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| 17:54.11 | nagual | you could do a diff(1) if you were really nice to make sure its all in the proper places. |
| 17:55.03 | greycat | nagual: I figure a slight randomization is likely to improve matters. |
| 17:55.40 | nagual | hehe |
| 17:55.40 | nagual | s/move/movie |
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| 17:57.40 | Ziriuz | Hi all |
| 17:58.31 | Ziriuz | can you give me a mirror address to download the dvd 1 of debian sarge with jigdo? |
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| 17:59.26 | citral | a random address? |
| 17:59.36 | Ziriuz | also random... |
| 17:59.42 | SHawn | good morning ,every one |
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| 18:00.03 | simonrvn | http://127.1.57.123/ |
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| 18:00.15 | stew | Ziriuz: http://debian.org/CD |
| 18:00.25 | Ziriuz | i tried with the italian one but it downloaded only 5 files... |
| 18:00.45 | Ziriuz | stew: i will try... thanks |
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| 18:00.59 | citral | google "debian sarge dvd jigdo" gives more than enough answers I think |
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| 18:01.25 | Ziriuz | citral: you're right... thanks a lot |
| 18:01.41 | citral | THAT was HARD |
| 18:01.58 | stew | !be google barbie |
| 18:01.59 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 18:02.19 | TNKS | I have a question about kernel building. Maybe times, I'm not patching source code as much as turning on and off options. Especially with modules, I've come to feel that you have to "make-kpkg clean" before every "make-kpkg kernel_image". But this compiles the whole tree. Am I not using make-kpkg well? |
| 18:02.21 | seso | how can i install adsl modem on debian 3.0r4 i386 |
| 18:02.36 | greycat | Results 1 - 10 of about 39 for naked chix0rz. (0.26 seconds) |
| 18:02.40 | seso | how can i install adsl modem on debian 3.0r4 i386?? |
| 18:02.42 | greycat | (had to be done.) |
| 18:02.56 | asg | hehe |
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| 18:03.37 | seso | how can i install adsl modem on debian 3.0r4 i386 |
| 18:03.57 | asg | !tell seso about repeat |
| 18:04.11 | citral | seso: if it uses pppoe, pppoeconf. If it uses dhcp, dhclient. |
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| 18:04.22 | Longkong | Hi |
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| 18:05.08 | yang_ | Anyone knows correct values for oidentd ? |
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| 18:05.46 | asg | yang_: apt-cache show oidentd indicates possible useful values |
| 18:05.52 | Longkong | How do send my PC to standby using APM? |
| 18:06.03 | greycat | yang_: 42 |
| 18:06.05 | asg | Longkong: apm -s |
| 18:06.06 | TNKS | asg, thanks for the hints about needing the -dev packages. I forgot about that. |
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| 18:06.12 | asg | TNKS: you're welcome |
| 18:06.16 | pipeline | Longkong: Usually there's a key combination |
| 18:06.17 | asg | Longkong: man apm for other options |
| 18:06.28 | citral | there's no man apm |
| 18:06.58 | ricky_clarkson | NAME |
| 18:06.58 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.05 | asg | citral: apmd: usr/share/man/man1/apm.1.gz |
| 18:07.41 | yang_ | asg: I paste my values in #flood , its not working correct |
| 18:07.45 | citral | strange... I don't have apmd but I have the apm command |
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| 18:08.32 | asg | citral: apmd: usr/bin/apm (on a sid box at least) |
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| 18:08.43 | citral | ah right, comes from pmud |
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| 18:10.05 | citral | ooOOoo-< |
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| 18:10.34 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak ooOOoo |
| 18:10.34 | dpkg | jaja ooOOoo lol |
| 18:10.40 | asg | yang_: if you don't want to be able to fake usernames, just use an identd that doesn't have that functionality |
| 18:10.40 | citral | heh |
| 18:11.20 | lonewolff | hi, im trying to add the debian archive feeds to my debian 2.2 machine but i cant get it to find the Packages.gz file |
| 18:11.54 | simonrvn | potato is dead |
| 18:11.57 | yang_ | asg: W: Unable to locate package identd |
| 18:12.20 | lonewolff | there are still ipkg feeds, i just need to know hoto add them |
| 18:12.25 | lonewolff | sorry apt feeds |
| 18:12.25 | asg | yang_: apt-cache search identd (pick, choose, evaluate) |
| 18:12.43 | simonrvn | wtf is an apt feed? |
| 18:13.01 | ricky_clarkson | apt sources, I think he means. |
| 18:13.08 | lonewolff | indeed |
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| 18:13.26 | lonewolff | sorry ive been using familiar all day where they are called feeds .... |
| 18:13.34 | citral | !random |
| 18:13.35 | dpkg | Hey citral, based on debian is Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 18:13.39 | yang_ | asg: dont you know the correct values for oidentd? |
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| 18:13.56 | simonrvn | oh, heh |
| 18:14.04 | asg | yang_: no. The manpage should or /usr/share/doc/oidentd might have more info |
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| 18:14.27 | simonrvn | wannabe debians |
| 18:14.54 | citral | hey I wanna look like, smell like, feel like debian but I'm just a pale copy |
| 18:15.10 | lonewolff | so i have ftp://debian.ethz.ch/debian-archive/dists/Debian-2.2/main/binary-i386/ as the source i want to add, but im not sure how to add it so it looks for packages.gz in that folder |
| 18:15.16 | simonrvn | the shade of a pale copy |
| 18:15.40 | directhex | lonewolff, why are you playing with Potato? |
| 18:15.47 | simonrvn | um, not quite. and why aren't you upgrading to woody? |
| 18:15.59 | Xemacs_ | debian accept no imitations !! |
| 18:16.00 | morgajelWork | what's the flag for dpkg that re-installs a pristine copy of the config files? I can't seem to remember it |
| 18:16.11 | asg | morgajelWork: --force-confmiss |
| 18:16.12 | greycat | --force-confmiss |
| 18:16.15 | lonewolff | its running on a 33mhx 486 with 8mb ram |
| 18:16.17 | citral | the reflect of the shade of a pale copy of an imitation |
| 18:16.18 | simonrvn | --force-confmiss |
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| 18:16.27 | morgajelWork | asg, thank you. |
| 18:16.28 | sigp239 | hello |
| 18:16.29 | lonewolff | newer kernels wont boot with that little ram |
| 18:16.31 | asg | morgajelWork: you're welcome |
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| 18:16.39 | lonewolff | has to be a 2.2 kernel |
| 18:16.45 | sigp239 | hello |
| 18:17.10 | morgajelWork | asg: know of a way offhand to figure out which package installed a certain file? |
| 18:17.10 | greycat | lonewolff: try slink or hamm. |
| 18:17.10 | asg | morgajelWork: dpkg -S |
| 18:17.16 | morgajelWork | even better |
| 18:17.19 | morgajelWork | thanks again |
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| 18:17.28 | lonewolff | greycat: i really just want to know how to add the feeds from archive |
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| 18:17.43 | lonewolff | it took ages to install from floppy and i dont really want to do it again |
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| 18:17.54 | sandu | hi! I'm having problems mounting /dev/cdrom as normal user; in /etc/fstab, under the option section it is mentioned "users", however, every time I try to mount it says I need to be root to do that; any help is appreciated. |
| 18:18.06 | asg | sandu: add your user to the cdrom group |
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| 18:18.10 | asg | sandu: logout ; login |
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| 18:18.11 | nagual | lonewolff: get openbsd ;-) |
| 18:18.11 | basti_ | hi |
| 18:18.24 | sigp239 | Hello. Is it known that gnome-cups-manager 0.25-2 fails to "Add Printer"? Thanks. |
| 18:18.33 | sandu | asg: I already did that, log ooff and back in, still no results... anything else I could check? |
| 18:18.38 | asg | sigp239: check the bts. |
| 18:18.46 | caphuso | sandu: what's the _exact_ mount command you are using? |
| 18:18.57 | sandu | caphuso: mount /dev/cdrom |
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| 18:19.04 | sigp239 | asg: Sorry, what is "bts"? Thanks. |
| 18:19.10 | asg | sigp239: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:19.11 | ricky_clarkson | sigp239: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | !topicsmite sigp239 |
| 18:19.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sigp239. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:19.32 | lonewolff | does anyone know how to specify to apt that Packages.gz is in the folder ive provided in the sources.list |
| 18:19.48 | simonrvn | lonewolff: what's your actual line? |
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| 18:19.56 | sandu | caphuso: in /etc/fstab, mount point is /cdrom, type iso9660, ro,user,no auto |
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| 18:20.17 | caphuso | sandu: try "mount /cdrom" |
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| 18:21.15 | micker | anyone here ever install madwifi out of CVS? |
| 18:21.15 | lonewolff | simonrvn: deb ftp://debian.ethz.ch/debian/archive/Debian-2.2/main/binary-i386/ ./ |
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| 18:21.19 | lonewolff | but that doesent work |
| 18:21.31 | sandu | caphuso: it says mount: must be superuser to use mount; I am member of cdrom, disk and staff groups |
| 18:21.54 | caphuso | sandu: you really don't want to be member of the disk group |
| 18:21.59 | sigp239 | It appears that gnome-cups-manager is quite broken.... |
| 18:22.15 | simonrvn | lonewolff: of course not. hmm, let's try a couple things. try "deb ftp://debian.ethz.ch/debian archive/Debian-2.2 main" |
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| 18:22.56 | caphuso | sandu: does it work for other filesystems? |
| 18:23.09 | sandu | caphuso: ok, I removed myself from that group, log off and back in, but it does not work |
| 18:23.41 | sandu | caphuso: only for samba, I chmod +s smbmnt and smbumount, but I dont'w want to do that for /bin/mount |
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| 18:23.55 | caphuso | sandu: what, your mount isn't setuid root? |
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| 18:24.13 | micker | I'm getting this error when attempting to install madwifi :: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8/scripts/gcc-version.sh: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8/scripts/gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory |
| 18:24.34 | sandu | caphuso: is it supposed to be? I tought if I have the user or users option in /etc/fstab normal users will be able to mount cdrom/floppy |
| 18:24.48 | caphuso | sandu: ok, who the fuck removed the setuid root bit? |
| 18:24.52 | sigp239 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=295310 |
| 18:24.55 | sigp239 | :/ |
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| 18:25.26 | sigp239 | printing really needs to work |
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| 18:25.47 | sandu | caphuso: I don't remember to did that, so am I supposed to chmod +x /bin/mount to allow normal users to mount cdrom and floppy? |
| 18:25.52 | asg | sigp239: it's been NMUd. It should be up in a few days. If a previous version worked, grab the deb from snapshot.debian.net and 'dpkg -i <deb>' untill the fix arrives. |
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| 18:26.00 | caphuso | oh, fuck |
| 18:26.04 | sandu | caphuso: +s, even |
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| 18:26.17 | sigp239 | asg: Sorry again, what is "NMUd"? Thanks. |
| 18:26.27 | caphuso | who let's such people administrate computer systems? there should be a law against that... |
| 18:26.31 | caphuso | sandu: yes, of course |
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| 18:27.25 | sandu | caphuso: so, if /bin/mount is not setuid, even with the user or users option in fstab, non-root users will not be able to mount these devices, is this correct? |
| 18:27.28 | caphuso | sandu: and you really should go now fixing all the other stupid things your administration team did to that poor box of yours |
| 18:27.38 | caphuso | sandu: of course not. how would it be able to? |
| 18:27.39 | greycat | sandu: yes |
| 18:27.40 | lonewolff | simonrvn: why does it complain when i have debian-archive in the url? |
| 18:28.12 | greycat | in Unix (and therefore in Linux), you must have root (UID 0) privs to mount a new file system |
| 18:28.20 | greycat | HURD may do it differently |
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| 18:28.38 | sandu | caphuso, greycat: ok, many thanks, have a nice day! |
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| 18:29.26 | sigp239 | What does the acronym "NMU" stand for? Thanks. |
| 18:29.32 | caphuso | !nmu |
| 18:29.32 | dpkg | methinks nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 18:29.34 | greycat | non maintainer upload |
| 18:30.14 | asuffield | a much better question would be "Why did you remove the setuid bit from mount in the first place? Don't fuck with core packages" |
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| 18:30.35 | greycat | maybe he mounted / with nosuid |
| 18:30.40 | greycat | or something else equally silly |
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| 18:30.51 | asuffield | I don't think you can log in if you do that |
| 18:31.15 | greycat | well, getty and /bin/login should still work... |
| 18:31.19 | homer[] | Hello |
| 18:31.29 | asuffield | parts of pam won't |
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| 18:31.46 | greycat | I think unix lesson #1 applies, though. |
| 18:31.48 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 18:31.48 | dpkg | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 18:33.18 | homer[] | I need help with a X.org problem |
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| 18:33.51 | Denn | need help with oidentd |
| 18:33.53 | streuner | homer[]: what distro do you use? |
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| 18:33.59 | Denn | have set the config to allow on all |
| 18:34.04 | homer[] | Gentoo :S |
| 18:34.08 | Denn | og loaded the module into psybnc |
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| 18:34.12 | homer[] | I use the nvidia drivers (the latest), previously i couldn't start the X session |
| 18:34.15 | Denn | but still i doesnt work |
| 18:34.25 | Denn | and opened the port.. |
| 18:34.31 | streuner | homer[]: so ask in #gentoo? |
| 18:34.39 | greycat | or @xorg |
| 18:34.41 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:34.43 | greycat | or #xorg |
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| 18:35.13 | homer[] | streuner, i was in #gentoo 2 days ago |
| 18:35.29 | homer[] | and anybody could help me :( |
| 18:35.33 | streuner | homer[]: install debian, we can help then |
| 18:35.36 | abrotman | homer[]: what does it say on the door? |
| 18:35.40 | homer[] | is a very rare problem |
| 18:35.40 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 18:35.40 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:35.40 | abrotman | #debian i think |
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| 18:35.43 | homer[] | streuner, heh |
| 18:35.48 | abrotman | streuner: is that what it says? |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | homer[]: or go pester #nvidia |
| 18:36.04 | streuner | abrotman: pardon? |
| 18:36.09 | abrotman | streuner: nothing :) |
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| 18:36.39 | homer[] | ok, :/ |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | homer[]: or change to debian .. |
| 18:37.12 | yang_ | asg: I installed nullidentd and reloaded inetd and its not working either |
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| 18:37.44 | stew | abrotman: changing to debian isn't going to help him with his xorg problem :) |
| 18:37.49 | homer[] | abrotman, if the problem persists, that's possible |
| 18:37.56 | stew | abrotman: well other than the fact that he won't be using xorg |
| 18:38.05 | paulswm | stew: No, but then we can tell him that x.org isn't in debian, heh |
| 18:38.07 | double_c | stew: it's the only way he's gonna get help in here though |
| 18:38.49 | streuner | stew: his videocard would prolly work with xfree86 too :-) |
| 18:38.56 | homer[] | but i was here because i thought that the problem is independent of the distribution |
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| 18:39.12 | abrotman | homer[]: oh yeah .. debian doesn't have xorg |
| 18:39.14 | stew | homer[]: well debian doesn't use or support xorg at all at this point |
| 18:39.22 | streuner | homer[]: oh god hell no |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | homer[]: if that were the case .. you'd ask #nvidia .. not #debian |
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| 18:39.50 | caphuso | and a channel called "#debian" is distro independant? |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | caphuso: isn't it ? |
| 18:40.52 | streuner | abrotman splits today hairs.... :-) |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | programming |
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| 18:44.07 | grigora | I have a RAID1+0 array. the RAID1 arrays are correctly assembled at boot time, but RAID0 isn't, anyone know how to fix this? thanks |
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| 18:44.24 | krueml | #austria |
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| 18:45.12 | pirate | Is it possible for me to initially install Debian onto a TabletPC (Transmeta Crusoe) without an optical disk/network? |
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| 18:46.14 | PerfDave | pirate: Read the Installation Manual for different methods of installation? |
| 18:46.31 | si|vercat | what can I open .lwp-files with? |
| 18:46.45 | stew | pirate: you ca install off a usb pendrive if your tablet can boot from one |
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| 18:48.18 | streuner | si|vercat: what are .lwp files at all? |
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| 18:49.16 | xerox | Hi. |
| 18:49.46 | xerox | Do you know of a place where I could look for Emacs CVS .debs ? |
| 18:50.13 | streuner | si|vercat: tried openoffice? |
| 18:51.06 | streuner | .lwd=LotusWordPro files |
| 18:51.14 | streuner | .lwp=LotusWordPro files |
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| 18:52.08 | andreiz | hi. i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ? |
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| 18:52.41 | Inkvisitor | i think hosts in hosts.allow must be in form of ip-addresses. do anyone know if they can be DNS instead? |
| 18:52.46 | si|vercat | yeah I have OOorg |
| 18:53.30 | xerox | Any clue? |
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| 18:53.48 | paulswm | Inkvisitor: man hosts.allow will tell you what they can be |
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| 18:55.34 | greycat | Inkvisitor: man hosts.allow |
| 18:55.43 | greycat | dammit. |
| 18:56.04 | greycat | Inkvisitor: man 5 hosts_access |
| 18:56.06 | Inkvisitor | well dammit, ive read that a few times |
| 18:56.08 | greycat | don't ask me why. |
| 18:56.10 | Inkvisitor | ok |
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| 18:56.36 | greycat | !punish woody for not having hosts.allow(5) -> hosts_access(5) |
| 18:57.07 | nvz | gah, my script isnt working for some reason.. I am trying to parse lines of badly formatted data with cut, and I have a sheet here telling me what bytes contain different info, like 20-34 is Last Names, and 35-46 is first names, and I can plainly see this is true in an editor.. though cut -b 20-34 gets me a list of Last Names names, cut -b 35-46, seems to just get me bytes 40-51 instead of the 35-46 I ask for, which should be a list of First Names |
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| 18:58.13 | dondelelcaro | nvz: are you sure there's not a tab in there somewhere? |
| 18:58.18 | nvz | I tried running it through tr to convert any tab chars, I thought that might have been the problem, but I cant figure it out. my position indicator in my editor says its right |
| 18:58.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: (does hexdump -C verify that?) |
| 18:58.27 | Delph | nvz: it isn't having a non-ascii encoding, so the byte markers dont line up, si it? |
| 18:58.38 | nvz | thats possible |
| 18:58.42 | Delph | dont line up to the character's, i mean |
| 18:59.03 | nvz | I tried using tr to replace any tabs, with 5 spaces, since thats what it seemed to be offsetting me by |
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| 18:59.19 | p88 | hi all |
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| 18:59.35 | streuner | si|vercat: "Unfortunately there is no support for WordPerfect WPD files or Lotus WordPro LWP files (although, oddly, Calc has support for Lotus 123 spreadsheets)." |
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| 18:59.50 | paulswm | nvz: suggest you do what dondelelcaro suggested and have a look with hexdump |
| 18:59.50 | p88 | I heard nice things about debian |
| 19:00.03 | quiet | pippijn... hey |
| 19:00.03 | streuner | si|vercat: that is for StarOffice so i guess you are out of luck with OO too... |
| 19:00.09 | Inkvisitor | so it has to be portmap: ALL *@my.host |
| 19:00.11 | p88 | hi quiet |
| 19:00.13 | p88 | :) |
| 19:00.20 | p88 | familiar faces |
| 19:00.26 | quiet | always :) |
| 19:00.27 | nvz | paulswm: I am, but I dont know what I am looking for.. heh.. I think a tab is like ASCII 18, but I dont remember, and I surely dont know them in hex off the top of my head |
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| 19:00.40 | Inkvisitor | why does it have to be ALL when its in form of dns and not when in form of an ip-address? |
| 19:00.52 | paulswm | nvz: man ascii |
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| 19:00.56 | nvz | file says, its ASCII text, with very long lines |
| 19:00.56 | p88 | can someone either tell me why debian is so nice or redirect me to a nice site where it tells |
| 19:01.06 | ricky_clarkson | p88: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 19:01.19 | p88 | okay |
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| 19:01.38 | p88 | oh nice :) |
| 19:01.50 | nvz | yeah, there appears to be an "09" between the last and first name |
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| 19:01.58 | brisling | which log files does show which user has logged on the system and when ? |
| 19:02.10 | nvz | which I guess is fucking up my byte order |
| 19:02.24 | nvz | man these idiots who made this file, are worse than I originally thought |
| 19:02.29 | p88 | how easy is it to upgrade debian? |
| 19:02.40 | FarrisG | Is there any way to change an existing user's UID/GID and then change file ownerships without breaking gdm/gnome when the user logs in? |
| 19:03.06 | dbindner | p88: upgrading is generally considered one of Debian's great strengths. |
| 19:03.12 | pipeline | Farris: Yeah, do what you just described. |
| 19:03.16 | pipeline | p88: Very, very easy. |
| 19:03.18 | nvz | this is what I get, for writing the whole script to visual perfection last night, without the data file to test it on |
| 19:03.27 | pipeline | FarrisG, rather |
| 19:03.29 | cao30 | i'm having trouble with MIDI serial driver, can someone help? |
| 19:03.35 | nvz | it certainly isnt working like it looks |
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| 19:04.10 | p88 | and how about staying current |
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| 19:04.26 | andreiz | i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ? |
| 19:04.35 | huliganz | anybody uses Point2play? |
| 19:05.20 | p88 | staying current I heard is hard with debian |
| 19:05.21 | p88 | true? |
| 19:05.23 | nvz | so could someone give me a command to properly align the byte order, removing these tabs? I tried things like tr "\t" " ", and such I thought I would have to replace them with 5 spaces to realign things, but I dont know |
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| 19:06.04 | ricky_clarkson | p88: The stable version of Debian doesn't tend to use 'current' software, because stable means 'unchanging'. |
| 19:06.28 | p88 | true |
| 19:06.31 | p88 | and sarge? |
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| 19:06.42 | ricky_clarkson | p88: The testing version tends to use software that has been tested by some users, but not by enough to be considered good enough to be in stable. |
| 19:06.50 | nvz | either I have to fix this file, or I have to go through and recalculate byte positions for every field |
| 19:07.34 | FarrisG | pipeline: Well, I tried that yesterday, but when I logged into gdm, it appeared to be unable to read/find all my config files |
| 19:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | p88: The unstable version tends to be more current, but not perfect, because it takes package maintainers some time to package new versions. Each package varies a lot. If you use unstable, you are the next level past the package maintainer, and you should EXPECT fuckups, and be prepared to do strange things to fix them. |
| 19:07.52 | nvz | they gave me a damn PDF file with all the byte offsets and lengths, and I programmed this whole thing last night around their documentation.. and I come to find out they are bigger idiots than I had thought |
| 19:07.54 | pipeline | FarrisG: Did you change all the UID/GID's on those files? |
| 19:08.07 | FarrisG | pipeline: Aye |
| 19:08.20 | ricky_clarkson | p88: There are also experimental packages which aren't good enough to be in unstable (the package maintainers know that the packages have problems), and alioth (/msg dpkg alioth). |
| 19:08.21 | pipeline | FarrisG: No, you must not have. Go back to square one, do not pass go. |
| 19:08.31 | mlewis00 | Does anyone know of a gnumeric IRC channel? |
| 19:08.37 | ricky_clarkson | #gnome? |
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| 19:08.40 | m0p | Hmm, what is the XFS filesystem like? anyone tried it? |
| 19:08.48 | p88 | nice to hear |
| 19:08.53 | greycat | it's like a file system... you know... with files and stuff in it. |
| 19:09.04 | baz | m0p: yeah I used it in production at a previous employer. It worked. |
| 19:09.13 | mlewis00 | ricky_clarkson: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 19:09.25 | pipeline | m0p: Caches aggressively in RAM. Much faster than ext3 with large files (5+ gb). Has real-time and quota extensions. Don't use it unless you're on a UPS, because it's likely to lose data in a power outtage :P |
| 19:09.28 | streuner | baz: Past Tense? |
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| 19:09.34 | FarrisG | pipeline: Thanks :) |
| 19:09.50 | dbindner | m0p: I'm using XFS in production. Seems good so far. |
| 19:09.55 | baz | streuner: yeah I don't work there any more because they're the kind of fsckwits who deploy xfs on production servers for no good reason |
| 19:10.12 | zinx | pipeline: everything loses data in the event of a power failure |
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| 19:10.40 | zinx | pipeline: ext3 can (but doesn't by default) journal data, but the application has to do journalling itself anyway.. and you'll still lose data. |
| 19:10.41 | pipeline | zinx: You'll lose more with XFS than ext3, eh? |
| 19:11.02 | pipeline | zinx: Try it and see why I added that proviso. |
| 19:11.29 | nvz | oh well, now I am going to have to go take a walk and decide to recalculate the offsets or reformat the file. considering the size of the file, reformatting will make the script slower, but take less time to change in the script, and recalculating would make it faster, but take longer for me to do |
| 19:11.51 | pipeline | nvz: reformat is the obvious choice. |
| 19:11.53 | m0p | Hmm, at the moment I use ext3 for everything, since I have used it safely in the past, but I am looking to try something different. |
| 19:11.57 | zinx | pipeline: i'll stick with my UPS :) |
| 19:12.13 | baz | m0p: why? if it ain't broke... |
| 19:12.15 | zinx | m0p: stick with ext3 or XFS for sure |
| 19:12.18 | pipeline | m0p: I'd stick with ext3 if I were you. I use XFS because I didn't really have a choice. |
| 19:12.32 | zinx | m0p: i wouldn't convert an already-running system |
| 19:13.00 | m0p | I spose. I tried ReiserFS once, it worked, but then I heard about data corruption problems. And zinx, I can back everything up, I have spare disks. |
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| 19:13.03 | zinx | m0p: XFS doesn't have any advantages over ext3 for the typical desktop user |
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| 19:13.09 | m0p | k |
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| 19:13.34 | greycat | OK, here's a stumper. Why does 'xterm -e somecommandthatdoesnotexist' give me an error and an interactive shell instead of just vanishing neatly like rxvt? |
| 19:13.41 | zinx | m0p: reiserfs3 is absolutely horrible, and quite slow.. hard to recover when it gets corrupted; i haven't tried reiserfs4 yet, so i can't comment much on it :/ |
| 19:13.44 | dbindner | zinx: Do you tune2fs to completely turn off fscks? |
| 19:14.13 | greycat | If I bother putting "xterm -e ispell -x filename" in a mousedriven program, WHY does xterm think that an interactive shell is EVER going to be what I want? |
| 19:14.18 | zinx | dbindner: -c -1 -i -1 or somesuch |
| 19:14.48 | zinx | dbindner: it's usually best to leave the interval on though, even if you turn off the mount count |
| 19:14.51 | Thanatermesis | distccd --daemon --allow 192.168.0.128 |
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| 19:14.59 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Vanishes neatly for me. Maybe it depends on your shell. |
| 19:15.01 | dbindner | zinx: I left mine to fsck every 6 months, but I still found that really annoying. You generally don't do that for XFS at all unless you have a problem. |
| 19:15.05 | Thanatermesis | ERROR: Warning: no such user as "distcc" |
| 19:15.06 | zinx | dbindner: if you don't like it, set it to something like 180 days |
| 19:15.12 | nvz | pipeline: yeah I tried that, before I even asked in here.. I must not be getting it yet.. I figure the tabs have to be replaced with 5 spaces, since thats how far they are offsetting me.. but I havent figured it out yet |
| 19:15.13 | zinx | dbindner: ah |
| 19:15.25 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: svr1a:~$ xterm -e hskdjfsdf -x foo # on a debian woody box |
| 19:15.28 | zinx | dbindner: well, you can turn it off completely with -1, i think |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | xterm: Can't execvp hskdjfsdf: No such file or directory |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | svr1a:~$ |
| 19:15.36 | greycat | that's the two lines I have in the new window. |
| 19:15.53 | m0p | Damnit, whenever I try to unmount my CD drive (hda), it unmounts fine, but then refuses to eject my drive. And no, it isn't a hardware problem, it worked when I used to have Win2k installed (euuurghh, the horror of it!). |
| 19:15.59 | m0p | any ideas? |
| 19:16.01 | zinx | dbindner: the man page claims 0 for both, but i think i've had problems with 0 in the past |
| 19:16.08 | zinx | dbindner: it's not clear in my mind ;) |
| 19:16.08 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: xterm -e "hdsdfkj -x foo" |
| 19:16.13 | Thanatermesis | %$&·$& distcc |
| 19:16.16 | pipeline | m0p: Tried using the "eject" command? |
| 19:16.23 | m0p | yup |
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| 19:16.28 | grigora | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.31 | m0p | does nothing. |
| 19:16.32 | dbindner | zinx: I was just trying to get a feel for how you did things. It seems I've always gone over 6 months during some routine reboot when I would like things fast. |
| 19:16.36 | nvz | I think I just need to step away from the PC awhile and it will make sense |
| 19:16.39 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: interestingly, xterm -e sdkjfs without the extra arguments *does* vanish. Now I really wonder why. |
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| 19:16.45 | barbisx | hi |
| 19:16.46 | homer | msg psyklops hi again |
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| 19:16.53 | homer | ups :S |
| 19:16.55 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: or rather... it vanishes on sarge, but not on woody. |
| 19:16.57 | m0p | I have to eject manually with an unfolded paper clip before I can use the drive, which scratches up my disks pretty bad :( |
| 19:17.13 | greycat | and more to the point, it doesn't vanish on HP-UX 10.20 either, which is where this counts. |
| 19:17.20 | nvz | that walk I took yesturday got me this far. I do better programming, when I am not looking at code |
| 19:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: -x seems to be an undocumented argument to xterm. |
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| 19:17.33 | greycat | but rxvt -e shfdkshdkf works the way I'd expect (it vanishes) |
| 19:17.45 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's an argument to *ispell*. |
| 19:17.50 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: No it's not. |
| 19:17.52 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: xterm -e command # command can be more than one weord |
| 19:17.54 | greycat | word* |
| 19:17.57 | Thanatermesis | please... how to use distcc ? :'( |
| 19:18.06 | greycat | Thanatermesis: man distcc |
| 19:18.07 | ricky_clarkson | "This must be the last option on the command line." |
| 19:18.14 | ricky_clarkson | In bold letters, greycat. |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | Thanatermesis: google.com/search?q=distcc |
| 19:18.21 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: BACK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER. |
| 19:18.21 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 19:18.24 | *** mode/#Debian [-c] by greycat |
| 19:18.24 | *** mode/#Debian [+c] by ChanServ |
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| 19:18.27 | greycat | man distcc |
| 19:18.30 | greycat | like that? |
| 19:18.33 | *** mode/#Debian [-c] by greycat |
| 19:18.33 | *** mode/#Debian [+c] by ChanServ |
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| 19:18.35 | Thanatermesis | Im search in google and man :( |
| 19:18.43 | greycat | damn bots. |
| 19:18.47 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 19:18.52 | ricky_clarkson | You need more speed. |
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| 19:19.07 | ningo | !fart |
| 19:19.14 | IrcUsr | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 19:19.18 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: -e program [ arguments ... ] |
| 19:19.25 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it must be last BECAUSE it's allowed to be multiple words. |
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| 19:19.35 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: everything after the -e is taken as the program and its arguments |
| 19:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Well spotted. |
| 19:19.40 | Thanatermesis | any person use distcc in debian please ? |
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| 19:19.44 | greycat | Thanatermesis: NO!!! |
| 19:19.47 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:19.47 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:19.53 | greycat | Thanatermesis: FUCKING GOOGLE IT! |
| 19:20.01 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I think you're wrong. |
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| 19:20.14 | shakparl | http://shunt.homeunix.net/images/googlemofo.jpg |
| 19:20.19 | Thanatermesis | ... |
| 19:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Anyway, whenever you give xterm an unrecognised option, e.g., -5, it dies and gives you an interactive shell. |
| 19:20.23 | Thanatermesis | fucking channel |
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| 19:20.28 | greycat | shakparl: hahaha |
| 19:20.33 | shakparl | :D |
| 19:20.41 | barbisx | :) |
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| 19:20.50 | barbisx | fucking crazy guy |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: you may think I'm wrong, but I *know* I'm right. |
| 19:21.09 | mte | hello...how to know if i have alsa installed or what i have to do - i have sarge and i installed it with 2.6.7 kernel (i think so) so is it included or not? what else do i need to do? |
| 19:21.12 | IrcUsr | can anyone comment on how effective the ubuntu versioning process is? i'm looking to cut down on piecemeal package management |
| 19:21.19 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Either way, you have a workaround. |
| 19:21.27 | greycat | except that xterm goes and fucking runs an interactive shell if the execvp() fails. |
| 19:21.37 | mst | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 19:21.51 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: yeah, but that workaround involves installing *another* program on *every* HP-UX box because xterm sucks so badly... :( |
| 19:21.51 | LeBear | greycat: UML? |
| 19:21.53 | ricky_clarkson | IrcUsr: This is #debian. Try #ubuntu. |
| 19:21.58 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Or using quotes. |
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| 19:22.13 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: imadev:~$ xterm -e "sdkjfs sdf sdfkh" |
| 19:22.15 | greycat | xterm: Can't execvp sdkjfs sdf sdfkh |
| 19:22.15 | greycat | imadev:~$ |
| 19:22.19 | greycat | DOES. NOT. WORK. |
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| 19:22.20 | greycat | OK? |
| 19:22.29 | IrcUsr | ricky_clarkson: yeah, but they're going to say it's great, i was looking for the debian perspective |
| 19:22.29 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Not here. |
| 19:22.36 | ricky_clarkson | here=sid |
| 19:22.43 | ricky_clarkson | IrcUsr: We don't know or care. |
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| 19:23.01 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it fails as I have described on Debian woody, and on HP-UX 10.20. |
| 19:23.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it works as you described on sarge. |
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| 19:23.23 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Well you're always advising people to move to sarge.. |
| 19:23.40 | mte_ | hello...how to know if i have alsa installed or what i have to do - i have sarge and i installed it with 2.6.7 kernel (i think so) so is it included or not? what else do i need to do? |
| 19:23.41 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: well, the sarge installer doesn't work on hppa yet. |
| 19:23.42 | abrotman | IrcUsr: we will tell you to use debian |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | greycat: you tried again? |
| 19:23.50 | greycat | not that we'd actually move our Navigator application to Debian GNU/Linux hppa, but... |
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| 19:23.59 | greycat | abydos: not until rc3 comes out. |
| 19:23.59 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Not even an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:24.02 | dvs | mte_: lsmod | grep "snd_" |
| 19:24.14 | jim | not all of us will tell you to use debian... some of us will tell you to use anything you want |
| 19:24.19 | greycat | abrotman: not until rc3 comes out. |
| 19:24.23 | abrotman | ah |
| 19:24.31 | abrotman | jim: but you're weird :) |
| 19:24.48 | greycat | use anything you want, as long as it's not Windows, SCO Unix, or Gentoo. |
| 19:25.04 | asuffield | or hp-ux |
| 19:25.06 | nagual | or any other os not debian. |
| 19:25.06 | greycat | unless it's just a gaming box, in which case Windows is acceptable, with enough drugs. |
| 19:25.07 | nagual | ;-) |
| 19:25.10 | asuffield | or, for that matter, VMS |
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| 19:25.16 | jim | abrotman: but I'm not interested in supporting someone -convinced- to use debian.... I -might- support if THEY CHOOSE. |
| 19:25.25 | abrotman | jim: good for you |
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| 19:25.43 | mte_ | dvs there are some, a few of them are for my sound cards.. |
| 19:26.10 | dvs | mte_: Then you're using ALSA |
| 19:26.12 | mrhemlock | !test |
| 19:26.13 | dpkg | Yes, mrhemlock, you're still online. |
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| 19:26.25 | mte_ | dvs hmm lemme see ;) |
| 19:26.26 | greycat | # for h in $(</usr/local/etc/nav); do scp /net/appl/tool/bin/rxvt $h:/usr/local/bin/rxvt; done |
| 19:26.29 | greycat | ..... :/ |
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| 19:28.23 | LeBear | I don't believe in file systems.. |
| 19:28.48 | LeBear | I let the files arrange themselves how ever they like on the drive.. I think it's wrong to impose order on them. |
| 19:29.07 | jim | abrotman: pelple here (most notably greycat) have enough problems and stress trying to rupport people who choose debian themselves |
| 19:29.10 | asuffield | I don't believe in disk faries |
| 19:29.10 | greycat | information doesn't want to be free; it just wants to be disorderly? |
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| 19:29.23 | abrotman | jim: i thought it was a dead subject .. i really don't care |
| 19:29.24 | stew | its about entropy, man |
| 19:29.26 | LeBear | greycat: it is the way of entropy |
| 19:29.31 | abrotman | jim: but i'm not going to support ubuntu |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | so why owuld i recommend it |
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| 19:31.30 | mte_ | dvs, hmm so why is there no choice for sound cards in xmms, just "default" which does not work? |
| 19:31.37 | jim | abrotman: I'm not saying you should... but I am saying that convincing someone who forexample has time invested in something else could make them feel you (or whoever does the convincing) owes them at least some support, so they might come with some attitude |
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| 19:31.51 | jim | I've seen that happen pretty often |
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| 19:32.00 | Orion | buenas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:32.01 | dvs | mte_: There shouldn't be any choice of sound cards in xmms. It should use ALSA |
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| 19:32.13 | greycat | jesus. |
| 19:32.17 | jim | Orion: one ! per customer |
| 19:32.18 | greycat | !tell Orion about ep |
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| 19:32.38 | Orion | what's up? |
| 19:32.40 | abrotman | jim: they do that whether you recommend or not .. and the reason you describe is exactly why i wouldn't recommend ubuntu .. they would come back here saying "abrotman told me to use this .. where is that motherfucker" |
| 19:32.40 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak los espanolas!!!one |
| 19:32.41 | dpkg | rofl los espanolas!!!one jejejeje |
| 19:32.51 | mte_ | dvs well in settings i chose alsa 1.2 output and when i configure that entry i should have some choice right? |
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| 19:33.04 | Orion | somebody speak in spanish? |
| 19:33.04 | jim | abrotman: very true. |
| 19:33.12 | jim | !es |
| 19:33.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:33.13 | abrotman | !es |
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| 19:33.57 | dvs | mte_: Choices for what? Soundcards? Not for soundcards |
| 19:34.00 | ricky_clarkson | Orion: Somebody? Hundreds of millions of people speak in Spanish. |
| 19:34.02 | jim | abrotman: so it's better to find out what they want to do and tell them what their choices are and let them pick |
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| 19:34.50 | homer[] | Orion, hola |
| 19:35.00 | greycat | homer[]: #debian-es |
| 19:35.02 | homer[] | vamos a #debian-es |
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| 19:35.23 | mte_ | dvs: well the fact is that i get an error that it's not configured correctly... on the other hand if i choose OSS in settings it works.. |
| 19:35.25 | jim | abrotman: that's why I framed it originally as "recommend for them to use what they want" |
| 19:35.38 | abrotman | jim: well .. i'm certainly not going to recommend ubuntu .. if they want to have a discussion about which linux to use .. go to ##linux |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | or whatever it is these days |
| 19:35.53 | dvs | mte_: snd_pcm_oss must be loaded to emulate OSS |
| 19:36.02 | abrotman | and then let some biased ass from there point them to something they don't want to use |
| 19:36.17 | mte_ | dvs: it is.. |
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| 19:36.25 | jim | abrotman: and thereby obligate himself to support them |
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| 19:36.54 | abrotman | jim: or then say .. go to #blah .. which could very well be us anyways .. or it's some ass who thinks ubuntu is debian .. and the problem happens anyway |
| 19:37.00 | jim | is the DISTRIBUTION-HOWTO kept up to date? |
| 19:37.17 | greycat | it's a howto. |
| 19:37.19 | greycat | enough said. |
| 19:37.58 | andreiz | i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ? |
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| 19:39.30 | mte_ | dvs: any idea more? |
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| 19:39.34 | valdyn | andreiz: check the font in firefox |
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| 19:39.41 | dvs | mte_: no |
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| 19:39.54 | valdyn | andreiz: check the font settings in firefox |
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| 19:42.09 | llahm | Hello, can anybody tell me the name of the most popular C++ library for connecting to standard SQL databases? |
| 19:42.37 | jim | llahm: those libs are usually specific to particular databases |
| 19:43.05 | llahm | jim: Right, but there are generic interfaces like ODBC / JDBC that are not as fast but more generic. |
| 19:43.08 | greycat | does system("perl -e '....'") count as a C++ library> |
| 19:43.17 | llahm | jim: I am wondering, what's the C++ equivalent. |
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| 19:43.34 | valdyn | andreiz: dont message people, message bots, ask questions in this channel |
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| 19:44.08 | jim | llahm: what kind of database are you interested in connecting to? (note, mysql is probably out here, becasue it will probably never be standard) |
| 19:44.16 | O_astro | alguem pode ajuda ai ? |
| 19:44.20 | greycat | !br |
| 19:44.21 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:44.21 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:44.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:44.27 | greycat | !alguem |
| 19:44.27 | dpkg | methinks alguem is the Portuguese word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-br.... |
| 19:44.34 | llahm | jim: Well Oracle, DB2, perhaps mysql occasionally. |
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| 19:44.41 | abrotman | odbc ? |
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| 19:44.54 | greycat | the other clue is "ajuda". the spanish spelling is "ayuda". |
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| 19:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: greycat is surely a cunning linguist. |
| 19:45.32 | andreiz | valdyn, ok. |
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| 19:45.38 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 19:45.47 | jetx | an br |
| 19:46.14 | thingfish | a jazz singer named flora purim is who got me turned on to portuguese. |
| 19:46.18 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I do try. |
| 19:46.21 | jim | llahm: what is the interface in C or C++ which is in common to all those and also including postgres? |
| 19:46.28 | valdyn | andreiz: maybe post a screenshot to describe your problem , which i dont understand right now, does changing fonts in firefox not change the fonts? |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | odbc ? |
| 19:46.29 | ricky_clarkson | For me it was a Portguese girl called Sara. |
| 19:46.33 | thingfish | it's a beautiful language for singing |
| 19:46.41 | abrotman | for me .. nope .. still don't care |
| 19:47.02 | llahm | jim: I think I might have found the right tool. |
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| 19:47.19 | ricky_clarkson | She cooked a sausage by dousing it in almost pure alcohol and setting it alight. I was impressed. First date and she was cooking. |
| 19:47.21 | llahm | jim: It appears somebody wrote a tool called SQLAPI++ |
| 19:47.25 | mte_ | umm..anyone..it seems like i have alsa (lsmod shows me many snd_ entries) but xmms works only when oss is selected and audacity show me only /dev/dsp as in/out possibility (and it doesn't work). What should i look for? |
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| 19:47.29 | llahm | ricky_clarkson: ? |
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| 19:47.35 | ricky_clarkson | llahm: ?? |
| 19:47.39 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: hehe...she was Portuguese, not Brazilian? |
| 19:47.49 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: That's why I said she was Portuguese. |
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| 19:47.57 | FarrisG | Figured out my problem: various files/dirs in /tmp needed to be re-owned as well |
| 19:48.01 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: hey, language is great that way, isn't it. |
| 19:48.02 | jim | llahm: does that apply to all of the databases you are interested in? |
| 19:48.24 | thingfish | I had a Portuguese friend in college. He was quite the radical. |
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| 19:48.30 | BenDrake | WHOOT!!!!!! |
| 19:48.43 | RichiH | !yay |
| 19:48.43 | dpkg | yay! |
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| 19:49.07 | abrotman | !oy |
| 19:49.10 | abrotman | :( |
| 19:49.14 | FarrisG | has anyone ever encountered a problem with the selected options in firefox's drop-down menus turning solid white (unreadable) when you mouse over them? |
| 19:49.15 | BenDrake | Bling-Bling.. discovered how to fix my cdrom drive so it automounts.. finally |
| 19:49.23 | thingfish | but I had *lots* of Brazilian friends, they were great. |
| 19:49.24 | ricky_clarkson | !oy is <reply>¡yo! |
| 19:49.24 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 19:49.24 | abrotman | that gets a whoot ? |
| 19:49.31 | llahm | jim: apparently so |
| 19:49.33 | BenDrake | for me :) |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 19:49.39 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: you're an illegal character |
| 19:49.44 | llahm | jim: mysql, oracle, db2 appear supported |
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| 19:50.01 | llahm | jim: i just want to make sure i use the most popular library |
| 19:50.10 | llahm | jim: so that people down the line can handle the code |
| 19:50.13 | Sero | Does anyone know of any snazzy Desktop Managers? Windows XP kind of snazzy? |
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| 19:50.23 | abrotman | like .. xpde ? :) |
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| 19:50.33 | abrotman | Sero: most use gnome or kde |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | for snazzy stuff anyways |
| 19:50.38 | llahm | Sero: kde is probably the one most like XP |
| 19:50.38 | BenDrake | Win2K with a theme? |
| 19:50.49 | grivell | Sero: A toilet bowl is snazzier then XP ;) |
| 19:51.01 | Sero | grivell, true, true. |
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| 19:51.12 | Sero | Yeah I guess I'm just going with KDM. |
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| 19:51.23 | thingfish | I don't know about that, in my country, toilets are rather plain. |
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| 19:51.31 | llahm | gnome just feels weird to me, like, they made it different just to be different, rather than because it would be better |
| 19:51.33 | jim | llahm: well thereyago then :) one thing you should realize is the sql statements for certain features has different syntax among the various databases you mentioned... you might have to build methods that throw sql specific for each database |
| 19:51.37 | asg | thingfish: that's the 'classic' theme |
| 19:51.41 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:51.53 | BadMan | Morning all... Have a printer problem... When I did my net-install of Sarge(2.4.27 kde 3.3.2), I was easily able to setup my LexMark Optra312 via cups and samba for use on the network, however after my reinstall and moving toa 2.6.8-2-k7) I am uanble to print to my printer(cups still) from the localhost... jobs go through fine but never reach the printer Ideas? |
| 19:52.08 | llahm | jim: yeah i think i really only have to support oracle for now, i just want to make sure i don't have to totally rip it apart later |
| 19:52.12 | stouset | Sero: If you're coming from Windows XP, I would recommend not using KDE. You will be flooded with a deluge of confusing options. |
| 19:52.13 | Sero | llahm, Gnome window manager? |
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| 19:52.27 | ricky_clarkson | Gnome isn't a window manager. |
| 19:52.40 | grivell | !start a wm war |
| 19:52.40 | dpkg | KDE blows! |
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| 19:52.46 | stouset | Sero: GNOME is a good choice, having a sane number of options with reasonable defaults, and a clean interface. |
| 19:52.47 | llahm | jim: i'd feel irresponsible if i didn't check into all of it first to be sure i wrote it maintainably |
| 19:52.58 | llahm | jim: so i always try to ask about it and ponder |
| 19:53.08 | BenDrake | are there any added features between kernel 2.6.8-10 and -2? |
| 19:53.08 | jim | llahm: perhaps the only way to determine that is to start from the beginning developing apps for all the databases mentioneed |
| 19:53.10 | zamolxes | !start a distro war |
| 19:53.10 | dpkg | RedHat is lame! |
| 19:53.11 | grivell | stouset: You say potato, I say potatoe |
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| 19:53.27 | Sero | Oi, um desktop environment |
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| 19:53.33 | pack | grigora: you say wrong -=] |
| 19:53.39 | jetx | !start a desktop war |
| 19:53.39 | dpkg | Why even install X? |
| 19:53.42 | stouset | BenDrake: from my experience, the -<num> releases usually just contain bugfixes specific to Debian. |
| 19:53.48 | Sero | stouset, oi, I use Enlightenment. |
| 19:53.51 | BenDrake | aahh, ic |
| 19:53.52 | stew | BenDrake: no only fixes, mostly for 64bit afaik |
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| 19:53.57 | stouset | Sero: ah. |
| 19:54.01 | jetx | grivell: mr gore in disguise? |
| 19:54.12 | greycat | jetx: s/gore/quayle/ |
| 19:54.13 | asg | jetx: it was Dan Quayle |
| 19:54.13 | jetx | can i just call you al? |
| 19:54.16 | BenDrake | thanks for the info |
| 19:54.18 | BenDrake | :) |
| 19:54.21 | jetx | oh doh |
| 19:54.21 | grivell | jetx: Thought it was Dan Quale (or whatever) |
| 19:54.24 | greycat | jetx: s/al/dan/ |
| 19:54.31 | jetx | yeah i'm dum |
| 19:54.31 | grivell | jetx: Ah Gore too yes I forgot |
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| 19:54.33 | stew | BenDrake: the version string after - is the debian revision, it means that its working against the same upstream source, so no new features |
| 19:55.04 | greycat | stew: could be a different set of modules configured, though. |
| 19:55.05 | jetx | nah potatoe was gore wasn't it? |
| 19:55.10 | greycat | jetx: no. |
| 19:55.12 | asg | jetx: no |
| 19:55.14 | BadMan | Is there a command that I can list connected devices from a term(its parallel connected) to make sure it recognized? |
| 19:55.15 | stouset | grivell: I don't think it's entirely arbitrary =\ From my experience, a lot of folks find GNOME easier to pick up due to stricter following of UI guidelines and entirely removing config options where you need to type something... |
| 19:55.17 | stew | greycat: true |
| 19:55.17 | jetx | k |
| 19:55.18 | greycat | !potatoe |
| 19:55.18 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
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| 19:55.44 | sdogi | lol |
| 19:55.45 | pipeline | greycat: Heh, haven't needed that one for a while, eh? |
| 19:55.47 | Selecter | Where is -D key from apt-get? http://www.linuxarkivet.se/howto/Kernel-HOWTO/apt-get.html |
| 19:55.52 | jetx | !hamm |
| 19:55.52 | dpkg | well, hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 19:55.54 | a-atwood | jetx: nah, it was Quayle. Was at a spelling bee, and the cards he was using to call out the words had the British spelling on it. |
| 19:56.00 | grivell | stouset: Well, it isn't about configuring is it? The defaults on both are "good". |
| 19:56.02 | jetx | see they can't spell ham |
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| 19:56.11 | jim | !rex |
| 19:56.11 | dpkg | hmm... rex is the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 19:56.20 | jim | !bo |
| 19:56.20 | dpkg | well, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 19:56.23 | asg | jetx: it's a proper name |
| 19:56.32 | grivell | stouset: And when the person wants to config, diving into KDE is not that bad. But I do agree, Gnome's config is easier. |
| 19:56.37 | mte_ | umm..anyone..it seems like i have alsa (lsmod shows me many snd_ entries) but xmms works only when oss is selected and audacity show me only /dev/dsp as in/out possibility (and it doesn't work). What should i look for? |
| 19:56.38 | greycat | jetx: "Hamm" is the character in Toy Story. |
| 19:56.41 | greycat | jetx: the piggy bank. |
| 19:56.50 | jetx | next thing you know you'll be telling me windows is buggy |
| 19:56.53 | stouset | grivell: I have yet to find someone who's satisfied with the default KDE config :-) With GNOME, you don't get a choice to complain ;) |
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| 19:56.59 | jim | which was debian-0.96? |
| 19:56.59 | pack | debmirror's is complaining about signatures. anyone got ideas on how to trouble shoot that? |
| 19:56.59 | sdogi | !bacon |
| 19:57.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal slut... |
| 19:57.13 | Selecter | How to remove package with dependencies? |
| 19:57.21 | sdogi | mmmm |
| 19:57.25 | greycat | dpkg, bacon =~ s/slut/wench/ |
| 19:57.25 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:57.29 | abrotman | Selecter: just remove it ? |
| 19:57.31 | asg | Selecter: you just remove then |
| 19:57.35 | asg | s/then/them/ |
| 19:57.37 | sdogi | greycat: slut sounded much nicer |
| 19:57.40 | stouset | Selecter: deborphan/debfoster |
| 19:57.43 | greycat | sdogi: no. |
| 19:57.46 | jetx | i think he found a metapackage |
| 19:57.48 | Selecter | But what about -D key? |
| 19:57.53 | Selecter | http://www.linuxarkivet.se/howto/Kernel-HOWTO/apt-get.html |
| 19:57.54 | Vantage_ | ok, so i've got a bit of problem. had a power supply die on me. replaced it, but now one of the drives is giving disk read errors and causing the LVM to fail. any tools for checking/repairing disks? |
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| 19:58.06 | sdogi | !mcbeal |
| 19:58.14 | Vantage_ | i'm running badblocks on it now and so far 0, 1, 2, and 3 have come up bad |
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| 19:58.21 | sdogi | hm |
| 19:58.22 | greycat | McBeal was the character's name, not the actress's name, by the way. |
| 19:58.29 | stouset | Selecter: Maybe it was broken and removed? Or maybe they took it out because aptitude, debfoster, and deborphan handle the problem already. |
| 19:58.29 | FarrisG | What sorts of bad hoodoo will occur if I add a machine to nis/yp and the local machine already has a user with the same name (different UID) as a user on the nis server? |
| 19:58.30 | jetx | vantage don't write |
| 19:58.31 | greycat | the actress is Flockheart |
| 19:58.35 | roo9 | what does it mean when lilo only does LI and then the system locks up? |
| 19:58.36 | thingfish | callista flockhart or something like that |
| 19:58.36 | jim | Calista |
| 19:58.43 | thingfish | way way too skinny |
| 19:58.44 | Azra`el | vantage: what brand drive? |
| 19:58.52 | jetx | vantage it's detecting it as a different fs i believe |
| 19:58.52 | Azra`el | go to Their site, and get their diagnostic software. |
| 19:58.54 | Azra`el | ;p |
| 19:58.55 | grivell | stouset: Well, I don't like kde's default. But that is why I config like crazy :) |
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| 19:59.05 | jetx | vantage happened to me, turned out the hd was ok |
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| 19:59.16 | Vantage_ | azra: maxtor, 160GB |
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| 19:59.24 | Selecter | stouset, thanks |
| 19:59.30 | jetx | oh nm maxtor's break a lot |
| 19:59.34 | stouset | grivell: The clock has four tabs worth of configuration. It's a fucking clock! hehehe |
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| 19:59.37 | Vantage_ | jetx: how did you repair the drive? |
| 19:59.42 | jetx | but still might be like i said |
| 19:59.42 | dbindner | Yeah, I don't buy Maxtors either. |
| 19:59.48 | grivell | stouset: An all powerful clock ;) |
| 19:59.53 | jetx | Vantage_: backed it up and low level formatted it |
| 19:59.57 | thingfish | I usually try to buy seagates |
| 20:00.08 | jetx | Vantage_: err had a backup |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | dpkg, bacon =~ s/McBeal/(Flockhart|Moss)/ |
| 20:00.13 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:00.21 | grivell | stouset: Yet they still haven't added a singing clock. I want it to tell me when the minute changes. |
| 20:00.37 | greycat | if you added Calista Flockhart and Kate Moss together, you might have a whole woman. |
| 20:00.37 | Vantage_ | jetx: an image or just the data? i've got most data on backups, but not the whole drive (160GB is a bit much) |
| 20:00.43 | thingfish | !bacon |
| 20:00.43 | dpkg | it has been said that bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that Moss wench... |
| 20:00.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:00.57 | thingfish | better |
| 20:01.12 | thingfish | at least she was actually a model |
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| 20:01.25 | jetx | Vantage_: i just had the data i wanted, not the whole thing...lowlevel formatting it with the tools from the manuf. is my preferred method. |
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| 20:01.39 | mte_ | how to mount freebsd ufs partition in debian? I tried mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd,uid=<my_username> /dev/hda1 /mnt and i get an error.. any idea? do i need some module for this? where to get it? |
| 20:01.54 | jetx | you need the fs's module |
| 20:01.59 | jetx | modconf, modprobe |
| 20:02.09 | jim | or use initrd |
| 20:02.12 | mte_ | jetx: i did modprobe ufs but nothing.. |
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| 20:02.19 | mte_ | initrd? |
| 20:02.25 | jetx | use modconf, look around |
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| 20:02.28 | jim | is it for / partition? |
| 20:02.32 | yang | Can someone help me set oidentd to work? |
| 20:02.33 | stouset | grivell: I hear they're planning that for next release. It'll be a fifth tab for the singing clock. On that tab will be more tabs for every gender/race combination of person to sing the time out for you, and each of those panels will have a box where you can type the path to the audio file for each of that combination's songs... |
| 20:02.38 | mte_ | jim: yup |
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| 20:02.57 | jetx | oh then listen to jim |
| 20:03.13 | mte_ | aha |
| 20:03.17 | jim | then you have two choices, either initrd or compile support into kernel everything needed to mount / |
| 20:03.19 | grivell | stouset: Better have a slideshow effect. |
| 20:03.46 | stouset | stouset: Me on the other hand, I'd rather not feel compelled to configure every last setting and actually get something important done. Like chatting on IRC. |
| 20:03.58 | mte_ | ok i think i'll go with initrd.. |
| 20:04.00 | jim | ufs is dangerous in linux to write, isn't it? |
| 20:04.11 | greycat | probably |
| 20:04.12 | stouset | Holy shit, when did aptitude get super cow powers? Last time I checked, it explicitly did not come with super cow powers? |
| 20:04.15 | Azra`el | "experimental" |
| 20:04.23 | mte_ | jim: i only need to read it.. |
| 20:04.26 | jim | if that's the case, pick a different / partition type |
| 20:04.35 | directhex | stouset, nope. it's powerless |
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| 20:04.37 | jetx | craptitude |
| 20:04.55 | jim | mte_: wait, is this for / partition or not? |
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| 20:05.09 | mte_ | jim: yep |
| 20:05.12 | dean | does anyone know how to configure a sound blaster audigy? |
| 20:05.16 | jetx | mte_: is this / or what? if it's / then you don't need to only read it (unless i'm missing something) |
| 20:05.17 | stouset | Ah, pardon. "apt-get" has the super cow powers. |
| 20:05.24 | jim | how will you avoid writing there? |
| 20:05.25 | grivell | stouset: aptitude has super cow powers? |
| 20:05.31 | stouset | grivell: No, false alarm. |
| 20:05.33 | mte_ | jim: well it's the only visible in linux no? |
| 20:05.34 | jetx | stouset: apt-get moo |
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| 20:05.59 | stew | !WikiFaq dean UseSoundCard |
| 20:05.59 | dpkg | dean: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:06.12 | jetx | dean i think i heard tell it uses emu10k1, depending on the version of the card |
| 20:06.30 | greycat | audigy2 may not. I think. |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | dean: tell us what "lspci | grep -i audio" says |
| 20:06.55 | guk | Okay, I apt-get install gmailfs and insert the proper lines into the /etc/fstab and it looks all ready to go ... when I goto mount the gmail drive the script /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/libgmail.py gives em this error ImportError: No module named constants |
| 20:06.59 | jetx | it's either the 2, or a subversion of the 2, i forget |
| 20:07.00 | guk | any ideas ? |
| 20:07.19 | stouset | jetx: Holy crap. I never knew that. |
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| 20:07.32 | stouset | jetx: aptitude is going in the trash. Nothing but apt-get for me, now. |
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| 20:07.35 | Mr-Falkor | I need some help ! |
| 20:07.50 | stouset | jetx: I demand super cow powers from my package managers. I'll bet Gentoo can't top THAT. |
| 20:07.54 | jetx | stouset: aptitude is the new debian sarge default |
| 20:07.59 | jetx | : |
| 20:08.01 | directhex | greycat, i think audigy 2 zs uses a non-emu10k chip. audigy 2 is regular emu10k |
| 20:08.05 | jim | Mr-Falkor: Dr Phil is two doors down |
| 20:08.07 | jetx | !worship dselect |
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| 20:08.25 | drp | hey that's my name |
| 20:08.33 | drp | i just heard a beep |
| 20:08.35 | drini | mo/msg dpkg vesafb |
| 20:08.42 | Mr-Falkor | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image ,then I got this thing: I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value custom.1.0. However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value 10.00.Custom. I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
| 20:09.09 | BenDrake | is there a program that is like wallpaper a day? |
| 20:09.19 | pack | BenDrake: cron |
| 20:09.22 | simonrvn | Mr-Falkor: so edit it, or delete it |
| 20:09.23 | Denn | How to kill a process? |
| 20:09.27 | BenDrake | aah cool |
| 20:09.29 | ricky_clarkson | Denn: man kill |
| 20:09.29 | Denn | The pid number is 642 |
| 20:09.31 | jim | you could use 10.00.Custom |
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| 20:09.42 | pack | kill -9 642 |
| 20:09.43 | jetx | Mr-Falkor: man kernel-pkg.conf, use --append-to-version= |
| 20:09.44 | Denn | ricky_clarkson kill -l 642 doesnt work |
| 20:09.46 | Denn | arh |
| 20:09.47 | Denn | :D |
| 20:09.57 | jim | or you could edit debian/changelog |
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| 20:10.20 | gsp | /msg NickServWhat happened to BitchX? |
| 20:10.25 | brislingf | hi all, ive have a apache server which i am hosting a domain for a friend, with use of virtual host, i created the directory. but i cant find out what chmod rights i should use to make it work, apache gives this reply to firefox error 403 |
| 20:10.28 | Mr-Falkor | jetx ,I did it like the howto said |
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| 20:10.35 | gsp | What happened to BitxhX? |
| 20:10.38 | jetx | so? |
| 20:10.44 | jim | you could use 10.00.Custom |
| 20:10.46 | ricky_clarkson | Denn: It's not supposed to. |
| 20:10.46 | jim | or you could edit debian/changelog |
| 20:10.52 | jetx | i told you how to do it right |
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| 20:10.53 | jim | those are your choices |
| 20:10.56 | jetx | :p |
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| 20:11.30 | markmm | Is there a package for ati radeon driver for sarge? |
| 20:11.39 | jetx | make-kpkg --append-to-version=.1.8610.777 kernel-image modules modules_image |
| 20:11.39 | directhex | !tell markmm about ati drivers |
| 20:11.39 | greycat | markmm: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 20:11.42 | stouset | markmm: fglrx |
| 20:11.43 | greycat | !faq markmm |
| 20:11.43 | jetx | add --initrd to taste |
| 20:11.43 | dpkg | markmm: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:11.58 | directhex | fglrx is pain though, under any & all circumstances |
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| 20:12.13 | stouset | directhex: And it doesn't work with xinerama *cry* :-( |
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| 20:12.26 | directhex | stouset, for example. |
| 20:13.09 | jetx | AH! when is the lame libgtkmm-blah's dependency on >=libatk1.9-blah going to ge tfixed ! |
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| 20:13.27 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 20:13.34 | abrotman | do it again |
| 20:13.40 | stouset | directhex: ...for example, it doesn't work with xinerama? |
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| 20:14.35 | phillips | lilo is broken? |
| 20:14.35 | phillips | Name change: '/dev/hda3' -> '/dev/hda3' |
| 20:14.35 | phillips | [09:40] <x-only > : part_nowrite check:: No such file or directory |
| 20:14.47 | ricky_clarkson | !cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Boddington's/Boddingtons/ |
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| 20:15.07 | m0p|pinged | Arghhh, damn internet. I really really do hate British Telecom with their 2 hour call limit :( |
| 20:15.22 | GSPitman | Does anyone know why I can't get BitchX anymore? |
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| 20:15.31 | GSPitman | am I missing a source or somthing? |
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| 20:15.34 | stouset | GSPitman: apt-get install bitchx? |
| 20:15.40 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: you suck |
| 20:15.40 | dpkg | Dream on, ricky_clarkson. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 20:15.44 | stouset | stephen@midas:~$ apt-cache search bitchx |
| 20:15.44 | stouset | bitchx - Advanced Internet Relay Chat client |
| 20:15.47 | GSPitman | "no such package" |
| 20:15.48 | d03boy | find better sources |
| 20:15.58 | ricky_clarkson | GSPitman: apt-setup |
| 20:16.04 | FarrisG | So will anything extremely terrible happen to me or my descendants if I add a machine to a NIS environment with a username identical to a user on the client? |
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| 20:16.11 | GSPitman | what sources should I be using |
| 20:16.16 | ricky_clarkson | GSPitman: apt-setup |
| 20:16.19 | jetx | depends libgtkmm-2.4-1 |
| 20:16.21 | stouset | GSPitman: apt-setup |
| 20:16.23 | GSPitman | ok... thakns |
| 20:16.24 | jetx | info libatk1.0-0 |
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| 20:16.48 | grigora | pack: what do you mean? |
| 20:17.00 | jeff_ | how can i install another kernel again |
| 20:17.12 | stouset | jeff_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 20:17.14 | ricky_clarkson | jeff_: apt-get install kernel-image-whatever |
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| 20:17.51 | morgajelWork | does debian have a /etc/pam.d/system-auth equivelant, or was it phased out? all of the documentation I'm finding for the work I'm doing is related to RH, gentoo or suse, and they all metion this mythical file that I can't seem to find. |
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| 20:18.34 | jeff_ | thx |
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| 20:18.42 | stouset | morgajelWork: /etc/pam.d/common-(auth|account|password|session) |
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| 20:19.03 | jetx | !stooooopid |
| 20:19.05 | markmm | make-kpkg -- not intalled, what package is it in? |
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| 20:19.12 | stouset | markmm: kernel-package |
| 20:19.14 | jetx | kernel-package |
| 20:19.19 | markmm | ok thanks guys |
| 20:19.19 | morgajelWork | stouset: that's what I thought, but I still can't seem to get it working.. I was hoping I was just wrong. |
| 20:19.27 | stouset | morgajelWork: What isn't working? |
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| 20:20.30 | jetx | markmm: apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 20:20.49 | morgajelWork | stouset: trying to get users to authenticate off an AD server via pam->winbind->AD |
| 20:20.54 | stouset | morgajelWork: I'm assuming since you're reading Redhat/Gentoo/SuSE docs and not Debian docs, you're probably doing something like "auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_stack.so service=system-auth"? |
| 20:21.07 | stouset | or, in this case, common-password |
| 20:21.12 | stouset | or common-auth, or whatever |
| 20:21.13 | markmm | im thinking about upgrading to a 2.6 kernel, is this ok on sarge? |
| 20:21.30 | dvs | markmm: sarge has precompiled 2.6 kernels |
| 20:21.31 | guk | ive had no problems so far |
| 20:21.32 | stouset | markmm: Yes. I would recommend just fetching the package rather than compiling from source. |
| 20:21.37 | jetx | no you have to downgrade to 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 20:22.05 | markmm | stouset, Does the precompiled one have pre emptive option? |
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| 20:22.15 | jetx | yes it does |
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| 20:22.21 | abrotman | you ask if 2.6 is ok .. and you want preempt ? |
| 20:22.22 | stouset | jetx: I did that and my video card, usb drives, and gigabit ethernet card stopped working. I think 2.2.20 is broken :-( |
| 20:22.25 | jetx | but as oneword |
| 20:22.43 | jetx | stouset: that's because you're not l337 |
| 20:22.59 | stouset | markmm: preempt doesn't exist as an option in 2.6, no? |
| 20:23.06 | jetx | see if you had better hw it would work |
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| 20:23.09 | stouset | markmm: It's just "there", AFAIK. Could be wrong. |
| 20:23.12 | jetx | yes it does |
| 20:23.18 | jetx | no it's an option |
| 20:23.20 | konold | hi |
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| 20:23.40 | konold | can anyone tell me where the people porting Debian to PPC gather? |
| 20:23.40 | valdyn | its there, its said not to do much at all, ymmv |
| 20:23.41 | abrotman | stouset: i think ti's an option now |
| 20:23.42 | markmm | stouset, Its been a while since I compiled a kernel, but im sure it was an option |
| 20:23.45 | stouset | markmm: grep PREEMPT config-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 20:23.45 | stouset | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 20:23.54 | dvs | stouset: pre-empt is an option |
| 20:23.55 | chealer | !ppc |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 20:23.58 | stouset | So yes, it is an option, and yes it is enabled. |
| 20:24.05 | jetx | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y damn i'm too slow |
| 20:24.07 | abrotman | stouset: they say it's not so good to use now .. but oh well |
| 20:24.08 | konold | dpkg: thx |
| 20:24.08 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 20:24.11 | jetx | it's boolean though iirc |
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| 20:24.15 | markmm | stouset, Cool seems to speed up desktop stuff |
| 20:24.28 | abrotman | markmm: it depends on what you're doing |
| 20:24.29 | valdyn | markmm: on 2.6 not really |
| 20:24.42 | abrotman | depending on the workload .. it gets slower |
| 20:24.45 | markmm | im on 2.4 now |
| 20:24.55 | morgajelWork | stouset: sorry, my boss came over. I actually haven't found any debian docs on this subject- I've been looking for a while |
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| 20:25.22 | stouset | markmm: Eh, I've said it before and I'll say it again. People tend to get off on hearing that something will make their comptuer faster. Nobody seems to realize that most speed improvements are incremental at this point, and most systems have around 5% CPU utilization anyways... |
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| 20:25.44 | valdyn | markmm: preempt isnt for speed, its for latency |
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| 20:26.11 | yacoob | hmm. |
| 20:26.22 | jetx | i thought it was so you could pre-empt stuff |
| 20:26.30 | yacoob | is there some automatic configuration tool for xfree in unstable? |
| 20:26.32 | markmm | valdyn, It seems to make switching windows quicker |
| 20:26.33 | jetx | preemptive scheduler or something |
| 20:26.35 | stouset | jetx: Exactly. Latency. |
| 20:26.46 | jetx | ah... i know nothing |
| 20:26.46 | dvs | !drxx yacoob |
| 20:26.47 | dpkg | yacoob: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:26.55 | valdyn | markmm: yea, thats one possible effect |
| 20:27.07 | appaji | fonts on my X are not sharp (after a dist upgrade), they appear 'fat' and bold fonts are more like blots. |
| 20:27.11 | stouset | morgajelWork: Worst comes to worst, just look at how the other Debian pam files are doing it. Not too tough :-) |
| 20:27.16 | yacoob | dvs: mhm, I was thinking about something more 'automatic' :> |
| 20:27.27 | jetx | appaji: woody sarge what? |
| 20:27.36 | stouset | morgajelWork: If you want to include the common file into a stack, use @include <file> |
| 20:27.37 | appaji | This is in comparison with the behaviour a week or so ago. I am on unstable. What could be the reason? |
| 20:27.43 | jetx | what's that autohinter reconfigure tingy? |
| 20:27.43 | appaji | jetx: sid. |
| 20:27.44 | BenDrake | hmm, I suddenly have no KDE screen-savers |
| 20:27.49 | Azra`el | cool |
| 20:27.52 | markmm | kernel image package? |
| 20:27.56 | Azra`el | apt uninstalled them. =) |
| 20:28.06 | wers | does anyone know of a benchmarking tool that tests openGL? |
| 20:28.08 | jetx | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 20:28.12 | ricky_clarkson | Azra`el: Grr, that sneaky apt. |
| 20:28.18 | yacoob | wers: quick & dirty: glxgears :) |
| 20:28.24 | chealer | BenDrake: you mean they don't start or there's none you can select? |
| 20:28.28 | jetx | gtg |
| 20:28.29 | stouset | wers: glxgears |
| 20:28.36 | wers | yacoob thnx |
| 20:28.38 | BenDrake | there are none I can select |
| 20:28.41 | stouset | wers: If it's not slow as piss, OpenGL works! |
| 20:29.02 | wers | stouset ok..yhanx.. ill try |
| 20:29.06 | BenDrake | I apt installed them |
| 20:29.12 | chealer | BenDrake: maybe #debian-kde can help you |
| 20:29.22 | BenDrake | okie |
| 20:29.23 | pirate | Does anybody know of a netinst image that has kernel support for external USB-CDROM drives? I've booted this TabletPC with my drive... but it's disappeared... |
| 20:29.32 | stouset | Hrm, there's no #debian-gnome? |
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| 20:30.04 | mte_ | ooops..seems like i deleted /var/cache - what now? |
| 20:30.09 | stouset | pirate: I've been under the impression that the netinst images contain all kernel modules, just like the normal kernel image packages. |
| 20:30.15 | chealer | stouset: no |
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| 20:30.23 | stouset | pirate: As usual, ignore me. |
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| 20:30.36 | chealer | !tell stouset about gnome |
| 20:30.45 | stew | pirate: are you trying to install woody or sarge? |
| 20:31.00 | pirate | stew: Anything. I think this is a woody image I have. It has XFS. |
| 20:31.04 | stouset | chealer: I'm the only one in there, haha. |
| 20:31.11 | stew | !d-i pirate |
| 20:31.12 | dpkg | pirate, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:31.19 | Denn | Hi, i need somebody to help me with oidentd |
| 20:31.22 | pirate | Kthx. |
| 20:31.27 | Denn | trying the last 2 hours. :\ |
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| 20:32.13 | cobra_ | hello :) |
| 20:32.20 | ep | Newbie, gonna download ISO's. Version 3.0r2 from LinuxISO.org This sound kousher? Plan on getting US ed unless otherwise advised. Any advantage to getting the non-US addition? |
| 20:32.24 | cobra_ | excuse me, i have a problem with kpackage in debian sid... |
| 20:32.48 | jeff_ | how on earth do i get my dhcp client to stop adding a "search" entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:32.58 | stew | jeff_: which dhcp client |
| 20:33.11 | stew | ep: is it going to be a server or desktop? |
| 20:33.15 | cobra_ | every time it is running apt-get install, if a change desktop or i iconify its window, |
| 20:33.15 | jeff_ | how do i find out |
| 20:33.21 | ep | desktop |
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| 20:33.25 | valdyn | ep: encryption software is in non-us |
| 20:33.31 | cobra_ | apt-get exit with an "RESULT=130" |
| 20:33.53 | cobra_ | does somebody experienced it ? |
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| 20:34.18 | stew | ep: is it's not going to be publicly exposed, sarge (3.1) is much more up to date, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:34.20 | ep | ah ok, no big deal on the encryption |
| 20:34.21 | GSPitman | Hey all... I still can't get bitchx for some reason... is it in a different distribution or something? |
| 20:34.27 | GSPitman | I'm using sarge |
| 20:34.41 | valdyn | !d-i ep |
| 20:34.41 | stew | ep: and I belive all the encrypting is in main now on sarge |
| 20:34.42 | dpkg | ep, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:34.49 | stouset | GSPitman: apt-cache search bitchx |
| 20:34.53 | ep | done |
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| 20:35.06 | stew | jeff__: if you don't know its probably dhclient, man dhclient.conf |
| 20:35.18 | stew | err, wrong jeff |
| 20:35.27 | GSPitman | stouset: I did that... no package found! |
| 20:35.28 | nvz | can iPods play mp3s? |
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| 20:35.31 | jim | ep: if you have a fast net connection you can use floppys to start off instead of having to download an iso |
| 20:35.56 | jim | ep: the link you were already directed to should point out how to start with that |
| 20:36.05 | stew | nvz yes, no ogg though |
| 20:36.16 | ep | yes i have fast net -- i'll read up |
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| 20:36.42 | jeff__ | stew: how can i find out what dhcp i have |
| 20:36.50 | jeff__ | stew ok |
| 20:36.58 | nvz | stew: my friend has one, and wanted to know if I could somehow get him songs put on his ipod, I didnt know if I could just use it as a usb mass storage device and throw files onto it I rip/download or not |
| 20:37.06 | GSPitman | anyone know how to get the Java Plugin installed in Mozilla? |
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| 20:37.28 | nvz | stew: he thinks you have to use this iTunes to do it, I dont seem to think so |
| 20:37.30 | chealer | GSPitman: look at the mozilla.org FAQ (for firefox at least) |
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| 20:37.41 | jim | GSPitman: first find the plugin... |
| 20:37.48 | stew | nvz: i believe that with itunes you cannot get files off the ipod |
| 20:38.02 | jim | GSPitman: then find the mozilla plugin dir... |
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| 20:38.13 | jim | make a link in the latter pointing to the former |
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| 20:38.23 | stew | nvz: i have heard reports of people mounting it in linux via usb-storage, which i would guess is rw, but i have no first hand knowlege |
| 20:38.30 | valdyn | !tell GSPitman about java-package |
| 20:38.43 | nvz | stew: he wants to put musig _ON_ the ipod, he doesnt have a PC, and wanted to know if I could put some on for him.. and I didnt know if I could just mount it and use "normal" file formats, or if it needed all apple stuff |
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| 20:39.01 | stouset | nvz: You can't just put songs on the ipod |
| 20:39.08 | stouset | nvz: It has a database on there that needs to be updated |
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| 20:39.21 | morgajelWork | stouset: do you know of any good debian-specific documentation on authenticating against winbind via pam/ |
| 20:39.23 | morgajelWork | ? |
| 20:39.39 | nvz | stouset: ok. but it can, use normal formats like mp3 if this db is updated? |
| 20:39.40 | stew | nvz: googling for ipod usb-storage seems to find a lot of stuff |
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| 20:40.25 | stew | !info gtkpod |
| 20:40.27 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.88-1 (sid), Packaged size: 409 kB, Installed size: 1072 kB |
| 20:40.36 | nvz | stew: I found that and gnupod-tools already |
| 20:40.48 | stouset | nvz: "apt-get install gtkpod; mkdir /media/ipod; echo "/dev/sda2 /media/ipod vfat rw,user,noauto,umask=0002,sync 0 0" >> /etc/fstab". If you've got a good hotplugging setup (gnome-volume-manager, hal, dbus-1, udev, hotplug, etc.) it should work. |
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| 20:41.17 | nvz | stouset: hah, yeah right.. |
| 20:41.21 | greycat | why would anyone buy an ipod? evil non-vorbis-supporting garbage... |
| 20:41.21 | cafuego | if any oper cares, DTkiem!~DTHB@212.156.186.14 is a pron spammer |
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| 20:41.45 | nvz | I dont use 2.6, so I couldnt use hal, udev..etc if I wanted.. and I dont want to.. thats for sure |
| 20:42.00 | cafuego | greycat: Because the bundled software AND its controls don't suck ass like virtually everything else on the market. |
| 20:42.02 | orjan | I have an hp d230 box that gives flicker on lcd screens. For crt it's ok. The lcd's works fine with other boxes. I have tried all I can think of and didn't find anything googling..hints or keywords to search for? |
| 20:42.06 | stouset | morgajelWork: No clue, sorry. I've only used the smb and ldap pam modules for that kind of thing, never winbind. I know it wasn't anything too out of the ordinary though, so you shouldn't be having too much trouble... |
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| 20:42.21 | stouset | nvz: What? |
| 20:43.05 | greycat | orjan: change the resolution/refresh rate on the D230? |
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| 20:43.09 | nvz | stouset: there is not even a chance of me using all that hotplugging crap : |
| 20:43.12 | morgajelWork | stouset: "so you shouldn't be having too much trouble..." <--famous last words :) |
| 20:43.18 | greycat | !flw |
| 20:43.19 | dpkg | [flw5] <l3> macs never have problems |
| 20:43.20 | orjan | greycat: Yes tird that |
| 20:43.40 | TNKS | I've been doing a lot of work during the break on upgrading my computer. Thanks everybody who has responded to me. |
| 20:43.42 | stouset | nvz: Then fucking do it manually. modprobe usb-storage; mount /media/ipod. |
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| 20:44.58 | stouset | nvz: Is there something wrong with being able to plug devices in and have them just work? |
| 20:45.00 | nvz | stouset: I get the point. (: I don't even have it here, I am just investigating my options. |
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| 20:45.07 | jeff__ | stew which option sahould i "superscede" to stop getting a search entry added |
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| 20:45.16 | orjan | greycat: also it seems the flicker is synced to hd activety...but only on lcd not crt..very weird to me |
| 20:45.22 | directhex | my player supports vorbis & flac, but not usb mass storage - i need to use a java application & ethernet |
| 20:45.49 | stouset | morgajelWork: As always. You should just be able to adapt other online docs to Debian's setup by using our common-<subsystem> files rather than the RedHat style system-auth. |
| 20:45.55 | nvz | stouset: there is when hal requires udev, which requires a 2.6 kernel, I dont have, and needs tons of d/ls and extra ram and shit I dont feel like giving up just to use an ipod. I can handle setting up a usb device. |
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| 20:46.21 | stouset | nvs: fair enough |
| 20:46.36 | cafuego | oh no! |
| 20:46.38 | directhex | why not use 2.2 or 2.0? |
| 20:46.41 | TNKS | I have one last question. When I first installed Debian from a CD on this laptop, it installed an initrd kernel. Since then, for the sake of not shaking up too many variables, I kept all my subsequent kernels as initrd-enabled. Are there any issues at all with mix and matching initrd kernels and non-initrd kernels on the same computer? |
| 20:46.42 | jeff__ | stew which option sahould i "superscede" to stop getting a search entry added |
| 20:46.48 | xerophyte | what is the good network file system to load balance 2 apache servers ? having another server as data server ? |
| 20:47.30 | cafuego | Did redhat learn NOTHING from including gcc 2.96? Now they've gone nd added gcc 4.0! |
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| 20:48.13 | greycat | cafuego: at least they didn't make up their own version number this time |
| 20:48.43 | directhex | cafuego, to fedora core? |
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| 20:48.51 | cafuego | greycat: Well, they may have renamed gcc 3.2 to kgcc |
| 20:49.18 | valdyn | TNKS: using non-initrd kernels on "initrd-enabled" systems is np at all |
| 20:49.47 | stouset | Argh. Anyone know a quick and dirty way to add up a list of numbers in the shell? I figure I'll end up piping something to bc, but I'm wondering if anyone knows something simple to get from: "0.0\n0.4\n0.7\n0.1\n0.0\n0.3" to "0.0+0.4" etc... |
| 20:49.49 | bit0 | any news about nautilus bug in sid ? |
| 20:49.51 | stouset | oh fuck, never mind. |
| 20:49.55 | stouset | I love you, tr. |
| 20:50.06 | stouset | Typing out that question made me feel stupid for not knowing the answer immediately :-) |
| 20:50.13 | cafuego | stouset: 'sed', 'perl' |
| 20:50.29 | valdyn | TNKS: vice versa though, your boot manager needs to know about the initrd if its required |
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| 20:50.53 | stew | jeff__: actually you want to edit /etc/dhclient-script |
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| 20:51.21 | cafuego | directhex: yes |
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| 20:51.52 | valdyn | TNKS: but additionally all this is done automatically if you make your kernels "the debian way" |
| 20:52.18 | directhex | cafuego, the POINT of fedora is to use broken gaping-wound-edge software, so frustrated freeloaders buy RHEL |
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| 20:52.41 | xerophyte | What is the best network file system like coda, nfs ?? is there any others ones |
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| 20:52.57 | cafuego | xerophyte: best for what? |
| 20:53.22 | sparr | is there a debian policy reason that there isnt a package for azureus? or just no one has made one yet |
| 20:53.28 | valdyn | [ot] I understand fedora4 is shipping gcc4.0 as addition, not shipping with gcc4.0 compiled packages |
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| 20:53.52 | cafuego | valdyn: Yes, such was also the gase with gcc 2.96 I think. |
| 20:54.09 | valdyn | cafuego: oh |
| 20:54.25 | stouset | Argh, one more quickie. Any mind-numbingly simple way to trim the last character from a line? |
| 20:54.33 | greycat | stouset: sed 's/.$//' |
| 20:54.34 | stouset | Hopefully without invoking perl or sed :-) |
| 20:54.39 | stouset | Ah, oh well. Thanks. |
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| 20:55.09 | cafuego | valdyn: note 'i think' - can't be sure, SO long ago, so much weed ;-) |
| 20:55.18 | valdyn | cafuego: yea |
| 20:55.21 | xerophyte | cafuego, i need to mount a network mount for apache just wondering which one should i use it .. 2 server will be sharing the mount |
| 20:55.24 | cafuego | bastards, i KNEW it |
| 20:55.34 | cafuego | xerophyte: nfs |
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| 20:56.01 | xerox | Is there a "list-dep" other than "build-dep"? |
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| 20:56.13 | cafuego | apt-cache show ? |
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| 20:56.26 | stew | sparr: #215127 |
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| 20:56.41 | dmp | Does anybody know whether debian hppa has an IRC channel? |
| 20:56.56 | stouset | Hrm, any way to get an exact count of how much memory a process is using? Or only percentages, through ps/top? |
| 20:57.20 | cafuego | stouset: see the RRS column |
| 20:57.21 | greycat | ps and top show you the value in kB |
| 20:57.23 | k-dog | clamav filesystem scan scheduled -- is there a Debian Way? |
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| 20:57.31 | jeff__ | hmm o |
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| 20:57.32 | jeff__ | k |
| 20:57.36 | jeff__ | stew |
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| 20:57.50 | xam | dmp: nope, debian-hppa does not, but there is #gentoo-hppa and the parisc-linux kernel hackers have their own servers (but it's rather technical there) |
| 20:58.00 | dmp | righty ho, thank you. |
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| 20:58.13 | stouset | k-dog: I assume just pop something into /etc/cron.(d|daily|weekly|monthly) |
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| 20:58.41 | setog3 | aie , I have do something bad, I have run and mkfs.ext3 on a partition , but not the good, can I restore my data ? |
| 20:58.51 | dmp | 'but not the good'? |
| 20:59.01 | k-dog | stouset: Yeah, that's where I'm headed, just checking if there isn't a preconfig option. |
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| 20:59.21 | dean | hi when i try and install a .tar.gz file with kpackage i get sh: installpkg: command not found - does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:59.28 | stouset | k-dog: Not that I'm aware of. Assuming the machine goes off for large parts of the day, try anacron as well. |
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| 20:59.53 | sparr | stew: what? |
| 21:00.10 | stew | sparr: thats the bug number of an ITP: which you can look up in the bts |
| 21:00.22 | stew | sparr: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:00.33 | setog3 | dmp, I want to do this on dev/hda2 and I have do this on /dev/hda1 |
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| 21:00.41 | dmp | that's bad. |
| 21:00.51 | dmp | I'd say you've lost it, realistically |
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| 21:00.59 | stouset | sparr: There *is* a Debian azureus package. |
| 21:01.07 | pzn | how to disable screensaver for all users in gnome? just want blank screen... machine is used remotely by some users and screensaver uses cpu... |
| 21:01.09 | stouset | stephen@midas:/proc/6108$ apt-cache search azureus |
| 21:01.09 | stouset | azureus - BitTorrent client |
| 21:01.13 | setog3 | is it a tool to restore ? please ? god please .. ? |
| 21:01.17 | greycat | pzn: remove it. |
| 21:01.29 | sparr | stouset: very odd, i get no output from that exact same search |
| 21:01.30 | stouset | setog3: What, exactly, are you trying to do? |
| 21:01.34 | abrotman | pzn: don't use X on a server |
| 21:01.36 | stouset | sparr: sarge? |
| 21:01.41 | stouset | sparr: sid? woody? |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | stouset: setog3> aie , I have do something bad, I have run and mkfs.ext3 on a partition , but not the good, can I restore my data ? |
| 21:02.05 | stouset | setog3: Preferably, calm down enough to explain it thoroughly. So far you've been barely coherent. |
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| 21:02.30 | ricky_clarkson | !PANIC |
| 21:02.30 | dpkg | well, panic is STAY CALM DAMMIT! |
| 21:02.42 | pzn | abrotman, well... I have 3 computers and 3 users... no more money to buy another CPU... :-) |
| 21:02.57 | abrotman | pzn: do they all have to run X? |
| 21:03.19 | stouset | pzn: Worst case, just uninstall xscreensaver... |
| 21:03.26 | sparr | stouset: unstable |
| 21:03.27 | cliechti | pzn, hi |
| 21:03.29 | stouset | pzn: Not like monitor burn-out is all that common nowadays anyways |
| 21:03.31 | stouset | sparr: apt-get update |
| 21:03.44 | setog3 | stouset, ok I try again , can I restore MY DATA on a partition after a mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 21:03.44 | stouset | setog3: You there? |
| 21:03.57 | stouset | setog3: Sort of. |
| 21:04.02 | sparr | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free |
| 21:04.11 | sparr | is that correct? |
| 21:04.22 | pzn | stouset, greycat: that simple... just uninstalled xscreensaver... how about enabling "blank screen" for all users? |
| 21:04.24 | stew | sparr: it would be in contrib |
| 21:04.25 | stouset | setog3: Depending on what flags you set to mkfs, your data is likely all still there. The problem is that the filesystem table is wiped... |
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| 21:04.40 | sparr | stew: most likely that is the problem then :) why not main? |
| 21:04.52 | cliechti | shouln't it be possible to run "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" to get the headers for the current kernel? i just get "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.9-1-686" :-( |
| 21:04.53 | stew | sparr: becuase it depends on non-free jre |
| 21:04.53 | setog3 | stouset, flags ? |
| 21:05.09 | sparr | stew: doesnt work with free java stuffs? |
| 21:05.13 | stouset | setog3: Basically, whether or not you did a low-level format of the filesystem. More than likely you didn't. |
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| 21:05.30 | dvs | cliechti: kernel-headers |
| 21:05.35 | stew | sparr: aparantly not, the free jres are not complete |
| 21:05.43 | stouset | setog3: so the good news is, the data is probably still there. The bad news is that without the filesystem table, it's a guess as to where files start and stop. |
| 21:06.10 | setog3 | I have only do this mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 |
| 21:06.13 | sparr | stew: thanks. now it seems that theres a problem with the package, but at least im on the right track. guess im off to the BTS to report it |
| 21:06.16 | stouset | setog3: one sec |
| 21:06.18 | stew | sparr: it depends on java 1.5 |
| 21:06.24 | setog3 | ok stouset thx |
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| 21:07.21 | BadMan | got it, stupid mistake should ahve selected postscript when Is et it up originally.. |
| 21:07.28 | dean | is there a apt-get for the captive ntfs drivers? |
| 21:07.28 | stouset | setog3: Worst case, you can try grepping for the contents of files on the disk itself |
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| 21:07.44 | stouset | setog3: best case, there might be a program which can scan over a disk device and try to look for known filetypes |
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| 21:07.54 | greycat | dean: man apt-cache |
| 21:08.12 | setog3 | stouset, you know one of this program ? |
| 21:08.19 | cliechti | dvs, that just gives a list of packages, the closest thing there is, is kernel-headers-2.8.9-9 but that does not seem to provide all the required files to build extension modules |
| 21:09.06 | stouset | setog3: If any exist, they're likely commerical. |
| 21:09.07 | stouset | commercial* |
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| 21:09.18 | greycat | and comical. |
| 21:09.28 | dvs | cliechti: "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" doesn't get the package? |
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| 21:09.51 | stouset | setog3: So, if the data is *critical*, there are companies you can call that specialize in this sort of thing, or you can try grepping through the disk yourself |
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| 21:10.18 | stouset | setog3: If it's your mp3 collection and an essay due three days from now, well, you're pretty much borked--it wouldn't be worth that. |
| 21:10.19 | dean | greycat: what is this supposed to mean? it's the manual but i have no idea what for :D |
| 21:10.45 | cliechti | dvs, nope: "E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.9-1-686". i'm running SID, and did an apt-get update a few moments ago |
| 21:10.48 | gsp | Is there a Linux version of Windows Media Player? |
| 21:10.55 | Ronin | gsp: i hope not |
| 21:10.57 | jim | I hope not |
| 21:10.59 | PerfDave | gsp: No, there are other media players though. |
| 21:10.59 | stouset | gsp: ...depends on what you mean. |
| 21:11.11 | gsp | I want to get streaming video in Mozilla |
| 21:11.16 | sparr | stew: is it normal for it to tell me "azureus: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable or" ? |
| 21:11.18 | stouset | gsp: Media players exist that can play all Media Player-supported files. |
| 21:11.25 | stouset | sparr: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:11.32 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: apt-get install java-package |
| 21:11.35 | sparr | yeah, ive got an older java installed |
| 21:11.41 | gsp | any of them plugin to Mozilla? |
| 21:11.43 | stouset | sparr: azureus is in contrib, which means it's free but depends on non-free packages. |
| 21:11.52 | ricky_clarkson | !depends azureus |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | azureus: depends on sun-j2sdk1.5 | java2-runtime, sun-j2sdk1.5 | java-virtual-machine, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libxtst6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 21:11.59 | cliechti | gsp, try vlc |
| 21:12.08 | ricky_clarkson | It needs a java2-runtime, that's the minimum. |
| 21:12.09 | stouset | gsp: vlc, mplayer |
| 21:12.20 | dvs | cliechti: Try "apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.9-9" |
| 21:12.20 | ricky_clarkson | So that's any JRE from 1.2 upwards. |
| 21:12.55 | stouset | pzn: You there? |
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| 21:13.20 | bghfhfg | How do you burn and access CD's over parallel port? |
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| 21:13.30 | stouset | bghfhfg: cat? =P |
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| 21:13.36 | cafuego | bghfhfg: very very slowly |
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| 21:13.51 | bghfhfg | cafuego: How slowly? |
| 21:14.10 | bghfhfg | stouset: Cat what? What's the device? lp0? |
| 21:14.13 | cafuego | bghfhfg: 2x or 4x probably |
| 21:14.16 | valdyn | cliechti: youre using sid and a kernel-image that is no longer supported in sid, no surprise, its sid. install a supported one and its headers |
| 21:14.30 | PerfDave | gsp: mplayer and kaffeine both interact with mozilla. |
| 21:14.38 | cliechti | dvs, yep, i have that installed. but the makefile of the kernel module tries to cd to /lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/build but there is no such file or directory (a similar dir is there for a 2.6.10 kernel, just not for the 2.6.9) |
| 21:14.50 | bghfhfg | cafuego: Err... My CD's are only 4X compatible, so it doesn't matter, really. |
| 21:14.51 | sparr | crap |
| 21:14.58 | sparr | gotta install lynx to download java-package |
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| 21:15.41 | cafuego | bghfhfg: sorry, I'm spoilt :-) |
| 21:16.03 | cliechti | valdyn, ok. 2.8.10 is the supported one at the moment it seems. unfortunatley has that version problem with the sound of my bttv card |
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| 21:16.18 | cafuego | bghfhfg: You'll need the atapi-for-parallel-port driver to use the burner. I din't know what it's called, but I'm sure it exists. |
| 21:16.40 | xam | cliechti: whoa, already running a 2.8 kernel? are you from the future? |
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| 21:16.54 | bghfhfg | cafuego: I loaded paride. |
| 21:17.13 | stouset | clichti: shit, the 2.8 kernel is out? |
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| 21:17.35 | cliechti | xam, hehe, no but my keyboard was moved two keys too far to the left ;-) |
| 21:17.42 | stouset | clichti: Does it have the neural interface they planned? |
| 21:18.02 | secher_ | what package contains scsitools? |
| 21:18.11 | valdyn | cliechti: so try the 2.6.8 one? |
| 21:18.14 | xam | cliechto: so you are running a "`m6m8" kernel then? |
| 21:18.20 | xam | ;) |
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| 21:20.49 | valdyn | cliechti: theres another option: look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:20.55 | LeBear | Woot |
| 21:20.55 | LeBear | ! |
| 21:20.56 | nvz | damn, I typed a mount command to mount this ipod and its just hanging without message :P |
| 21:20.59 | drac_ | Fsck. Fsck. Fsck. My cat dropped loud speaker (heavy one) straight to my server! Now it hangs on boot with message: |
| 21:21.02 | drac_ | Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) |
| 21:21.06 | drac_ | Hdd broken?! |
| 21:21.09 | LeBear | lol |
| 21:21.11 | nvz | afaik, shouldnt take any period of time to mount a USB drive |
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| 21:21.35 | ricky_clarkson | drac_: Try a boot disk/live CD. |
| 21:21.40 | dvs | !kill the cat |
| 21:21.47 | cafuego | knoppix slut |
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| 21:22.16 | cliechti | valdyn, i'll going to try 2.6.8. i ran that one before and it was working fine. |
| 21:22.18 | drac_ | Hmm, only bootdisk I have is Woody CD1, will that do? They machine is running Sarge. |
| 21:22.24 | drac_ | s/they/the |
| 21:22.27 | drac_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.28 | al__ | hi. i am a debian newbie. can i install a gui other than gnome and kde. gnome is too plain and kde is kind of complicated? |
| 21:22.55 | stouset | al_: Whaddya mean by plain? :-) |
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| 21:23.17 | travisat | al__: apt-get install 9wm |
| 21:23.18 | dvs | al__: Oh yeah. There are a lot more GUIs |
| 21:23.18 | greycat | al__: there are dozens of different window managers. |
| 21:23.19 | stouset | al_: Other GUIs include enlightenment, fluxbox, xfce... |
| 21:23.24 | sparr | What is the URL to the self-extracting installer for the j2re v1.5? |
| 21:23.36 | greycat | sparr: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:23.39 | stouset | sparr: www.java.com |
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| 21:23.41 | stew | sparr: java.sun.com |
| 21:23.47 | sparr | greycat: deja vu :) |
| 21:23.53 | sparr | stouset: unless im mistaken that goes to a web page |
| 21:23.54 | al__ | stouset: i mean, somehow doesnt look as feature-rich as kde (but kde is kind of bloated). |
| 21:23.55 | sparr | stew: ^^ |
| 21:24.04 | sparr | a web page that is well nigh unnavigable in lynx |
| 21:24.10 | al__ | stouset: thanks |
| 21:24.11 | stouset | al_: It's as "feature-rich", I assure you :-) |
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| 21:24.13 | xam | !deja vu |
| 21:24.13 | dpkg | I know I've heard that one before... |
| 21:24.15 | valdyn | cliechti: not a bad choice, since its the best supported one ( due to it being the release kernel for sarge ) |
| 21:24.16 | greycat | sparr: Sun *intentionally* makes it impossible to download the fucker directly. They want you to read their page and click on their EULA. |
| 21:24.17 | stouset | al_: Just different featuresets |
| 21:24.28 | greycat | sparr: don't like it? Bitch at Sun. |
| 21:24.30 | sparr | greycat: ok, a link to the EULA would work |
| 21:24.34 | sparr | or the page before the eula |
| 21:24.39 | stouset | sparr: http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=9948 |
| 21:24.42 | sparr | i cant even find a page with 'inux' on it |
| 21:24.54 | maketo | hi, is it possible to shrink a live ext3 filesystem? |
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| 21:25.08 | stouset | sparr: It autodetects your OS. Just go to the download page. |
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| 21:25.10 | valdyn | maketo: no |
| 21:25.15 | stouset | maketo: not live. |
| 21:25.20 | maketo | valdyn : only reiserfs? |
| 21:25.30 | stouset | maketo: You can shrink it if it's been umounted. |
| 21:25.31 | valdyn | maketo: no, none |
| 21:25.31 | sparr | stouset: i did that, eventually (took way too much scrolling to find). and it offered me solaris and windows junk |
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| 21:25.44 | stouset | valdyn: I know some filesystems can be...XFS maybe? |
| 21:25.44 | maketo | valdyn : how about expand? |
| 21:25.46 | secher_ | Does anyone know the package that contains scsitools? |
| 21:25.48 | greycat | https://sdlcweb2a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=3E2085435FB3A6CBE7C972F132F7D71B |
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| 21:26.10 | sparr | thanks stouset |
| 21:26.16 | valdyn | stouset: not live, to my knowledge |
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| 21:26.24 | dfinn | is anyone on here using the latest mplayer packages from ftp.nerim.net? I've tried it on two different systems now and I am getting the same error on both. |
| 21:26.28 | maketo | stoutset: you mean by using resize2fs? |
| 21:26.30 | drac_ | Ok, if anyone is intrested.. I booted 2.6.8-2-k7 on that server with "Recovery mode.", whatever that is, then booted back to normal mode and it magically just works. Time to run badblocks. |
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| 21:26.37 | drac_ | And kill the cat. |
| 21:26.47 | setog3 | drac, yes kill the cat |
| 21:26.52 | stouset | al_: If you think GNOME isn't very "feature-rich", you probably won't be very happy with most of the other desktop environments |
| 21:26.55 | valdyn | maketo: not live |
| 21:26.55 | greycat | drac_: "recovery mode" is some bright fuck's idea of "single user mode". |
| 21:27.00 | al__ | stouset: ok. another thing i dont like about both gui's is that they arent very keyboard friendly. almost like windows. i like using vim. i wish i could fly around graphical menus using just keyboard w/o complicated key combos. |
| 21:27.04 | greycat | drac_: it's just "single" appended to the kernel boot string. |
| 21:27.05 | stouset | al_: Fluxbox is damn near minimalist, xfce is gnome-light, etc... |
| 21:27.12 | maketo | valdyn : ahh, ok |
| 21:27.21 | drac_ | greycat: ah ok. |
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| 21:27.35 | stouset | al_: unfortunately, in many ways you're stuck there. It's not just the window manager that needs to be keyboard friendly, but it's the apps too |
| 21:27.36 | calin | I moved from an ATI Radeon to a nVidia GeForce, couldn't get x server started which would be normal for this, I backed up my old x config and did `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`, went through it and configured, and tried to start gdm, but it didn't start. I looked at the new file for my X config and it was the same as the old one. I deleted that new file and did `touch XF86Config-4` that being the old filename, then redid the `dpkg-re |
| 21:27.41 | calin | Can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:27.45 | al__ | stouset: hmmm ... ok |
| 21:28.02 | directhex | !tell calin about x md5sum |
| 21:28.04 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 21:28.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:28.07 | peterS | calin: yeah. dpkg --purge --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:28.14 | dfinn | hmm...so if none of you guys are using the prebuilt mplayer packages for debian where are you getting them from? |
| 21:28.17 | stouset | al_: Unfortuantely you're looking for something like quicksilver for os X :-) |
| 21:28.28 | greycat | !tell dfinn about errors |
| 21:28.38 | calin | thank you peterS |
| 21:28.48 | directhex | peterS, a bit drastic for just replacing an md5sum? |
| 21:28.49 | al__ | stouset: oh. ok. i should check that out just to see. |
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| 21:29.02 | stouset | dfinn: Most of those with mplayer get them from marillat |
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| 21:29.18 | dfinn | ok, here you go. the command is mplayer anymore.mpg, the error I see is "The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. |
| 21:29.19 | dfinn | mp_image: Unknown out_fmt: 0x0 |
| 21:29.19 | dfinn | FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). |
| 21:29.26 | dfinn | that's where I got it from as well |
| 21:29.27 | peterS | directhex: I can never remember the right path for the md5sum file. in general it would be cool for dpkg to support 'reinstall and overwrite all config files unconditionally' but the above is a reasonable workaround |
| 21:29.28 | maketo | valdyn: actually reiserfs, jfs and xfs can expand a filesystem while it is online (live) |
| 21:29.30 | stouset | dfinn: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:29.35 | peterS | directhex: especially if you still have the package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 21:29.43 | al__ | stouset: thanks, man. i will take off now. bye |
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| 21:29.48 | calin | ah |
| 21:29.49 | greycat | dfinn: try "mplayer -vo x11 anymore.mpg" |
| 21:29.53 | directhex | peterS, and possibly a good way to clean up after nvidia-installer or rpm -ivh fglrxfoo.rpm |
| 21:30.00 | stouset | dfinn: change your video device on the prefs page. Unfortunately, in many ways mplayer is a really really shitty piece of software IMHO |
| 21:30.03 | peterS | maketo: so can ext3 as of kernel 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 or so and very recent e2fsprogs |
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| 21:30.05 | calin | directx, i read up because i saw your line to peterS, thanks for that, I didn't know |
| 21:30.05 | Polako | hello |
| 21:30.13 | Polako | halguien que hable en españo |
| 21:30.14 | calin | errrr |
| 21:30.14 | Polako | l |
| 21:30.15 | stouset | dfinn: Can always wait for gstreamer to get wmv/mov support :-) |
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| 21:30.17 | greycat | !es |
| 21:30.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:30.18 | calin | directhex* |
| 21:30.29 | stouset | !tell Polako about es |
| 21:30.40 | stuartSan | is there a new list of modules for 2.6 kernel + sarge for a noob to install instead of this outdated installation manual |
| 21:30.41 | greycat | stouset: since it's an .mpg file in this case, I doubt he has to wait long |
| 21:30.41 | Rawplayer | i r0x0r j0 b0x0r |
| 21:30.42 | dfinn | greycat: I get the same error when trying to output to x11 |
| 21:30.44 | maketo | peterS : is this with using resize2fs? |
| 21:30.48 | greycat | dfinn: ask #mplayer |
| 21:31.00 | stouset | stuartSan: You shouldn't need to worry about modules. Hotplug ought to handle it for you |
| 21:31.11 | dfinn | greycat: they don't like me there because it's a pre-built package. they will only help if you are installing from source |
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| 21:31.17 | peterS | maketo: I can't remember the exact tool used. I think resize2fs was the original tool written for this back when it was an external ext2 patch in kernel 2.3 or so |
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| 21:31.31 | stuartSan | okay then but is there an installation manual that covers the newer versions of linux as i find the old one rather obsolete |
| 21:31.34 | hennewou | hi, /var/lib/dpkg/status disappeared. How can I recover it? |
| 21:31.39 | directhex | !status |
| 21:31.39 | dpkg | Since Sun Mar 13 08:26:50 2005, there have been 58 modifications, 2013 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 613 commands. I have been awake for 3d 13h 4m 49s this session, and currently reference 25271 factoids. I'm using about 15960 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 814/40.26 child 593.35/46.46 |
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| 21:31.43 | directhex | gah |
| 21:31.47 | greycat | hennewou: ls /var/lib/dpkg /var/back* |
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| 21:32.08 | greycat | !fork ricky_clarkson |
| 21:32.16 | directhex | !forkbomb ricky_clarkson |
| 21:32.19 | pucko- | when using wine, is there anything I can do about this "You need to install the Mozilla ActiveX control touse Wine's builtin CLSID_WebBrowser from SHDOCVW.DLL"? |
| 21:32.21 | ricky_clarkson | Where's me fork'n'knife?! |
| 21:32.26 | stuartSan | there is no fork |
| 21:32.31 | greycat | !stab ricky_clarkson |
| 21:32.32 | travisat | only spoons |
| 21:32.40 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, spoons. |
| 21:32.54 | humbolt | How can I get php5 into debian? |
| 21:33.01 | travisat | wait |
| 21:33.02 | directhex | !php5 |
| 21:33.02 | dpkg | php5 is probably at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 21:34.18 | humbolt | directhex: !php5. no good? |
| 21:34.32 | simonrvn | read ^^^ |
| 21:34.40 | humbolt | I do |
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| 21:34.51 | LeBear | wtf... tunctl thinks I'm running devfs or something.. |
| 21:34.52 | ep | Where is the md5 sum for the i386 netinst iso I just downloaded from ...debian-installer/ ? |
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| 21:34.59 | abrotman | humbolt: ask #php if php5 is good for your sytem |
| 21:35.00 | abrotman | system |
| 21:35.07 | hennewou | greycat: /var/lib/dpkg/available is also disappeard, says apt. |
| 21:35.25 | sparr | ok, how do i find out where a package put its files (sort of updating my locate db)? |
| 21:35.29 | dean | hi could somebody tell me how i make xserver let me use higher refresh rates? its stuck at 60 and my eyes are about to bleed :D |
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| 21:35.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: more stable on ppc. i think it is. php4 has a tendency to lock up this box |
| 21:35.33 | dfinn | can anyone out there with sarge grab mplayer from ftp.nerim.net (add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-merillat/ testing main" to your apt- sources and then install mplayer-386) and tell me if it works for you |
| 21:35.37 | Polako | chater |
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| 21:35.41 | Polako | me aydas?? |
| 21:35.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: everything locks up PPC .. |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:35.50 | ricky_clarkson | Polako: espanol? |
| 21:35.59 | directhex | dfinn, you can't spell |
| 21:36.04 | abrotman | dfinn: #mplayer? |
| 21:36.06 | double_c | sparr: dpkg -L packagename will tell you |
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| 21:36.09 | directhex | dfinn, it's Christian Marillat, with an _A_ |
| 21:36.23 | sparr | double_c: how can i find the package name? |
| 21:36.24 | Polako | SI |
| 21:36.27 | Polako | xd |
| 21:36.27 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh, bad coding practices due to the lack of endian awareness and differences. |
| 21:36.28 | ricky_clarkson | !es |
| 21:36.28 | sparr | double_c: given the .deb |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:36.36 | Polako | BUENO |
| 21:36.37 | dfinn | directhex: sorry, i guess I missed a letter. thanks for taking the time to point that out. |
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| 21:36.43 | Polako | ME EQUIVOQUE DE VENTANA |
| 21:36.43 | valdyn | dean: which driver are you using? vesa? |
| 21:36.49 | Polako | PUTO |
| 21:36.57 | ricky_clarkson | Polako: su madre.. |
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| 21:37.03 | dean | valdyn: no idea how do i find out |
| 21:37.03 | dfinn | abrotman: they won't help me over there because it's a pre-compiled package. |
| 21:37.03 | ricky_clarkson | Can someone kick this cunt? |
| 21:37.12 | simonrvn | why do you people call us whores when we point them to a spanish channel? |
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| 21:37.17 | valdyn | dean: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:37.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: gotta feel for those MIPS people :) |
| 21:37.36 | hennewou | anyone knows how to get /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 21:37.37 | abrotman | dfinn: well .. mplayer isn't in debian |
| 21:37.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh, mips and mipsel ;) |
| 21:37.50 | mrhemlock | 2 more just made growing ignore list |
| 21:38.03 | simonrvn | mrhemlock: mine's at about 150 |
| 21:38.03 | abrotman | i bet they're crushed |
| 21:38.07 | xam | abrotman,simonrvn: hey, no need to insult us |
| 21:38.12 | dean | valdyn: ati |
| 21:38.16 | simonrvn | sorry, 105 |
| 21:38.17 | xam | ;) |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | actually .. i might be on mrhemlock's ... |
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| 21:38.23 | dfinn | abrotman: thanks, I got that. I installed it from where I listed above, which is where everyone else is getting it from, but it isn't working on either of the two different systems I tried it on and no one seems to know enough to be able to help me out. |
| 21:38.24 | simonrvn | xam: bah |
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| 21:38.38 | mrhemlock | not you |
| 21:38.40 | double_c | sparr: try the first part of the .deb filename (before _x.y.z version number part) |
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| 21:38.46 | abrotman | dfinn: define "doesn't work" |
| 21:38.48 | simonrvn | xam: seeking understanding is not insulting |
| 21:39.02 | abrotman | dfinn: and which kind of file ? |
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| 21:39.11 | jopy | whats the apt switch to only remov eone package, and not everything dependant on it ? |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | jopy: man dpkg |
| 21:39.18 | dfinn | abrotman: whenever trying to play any movie I get the following error "FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo)." |
| 21:39.25 | directhex | dean, what version of debian, what card? |
| 21:39.26 | abrotman | jopy: and it's a very bad idea |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | dfinn: and the mplayer people won't help you? |
| 21:39.49 | LeBear | does anyone have a /dev/net/tun file? |
| 21:39.56 | dfinn | abrotman: the people on #mplayer won't help because it's a pre-compiled package |
| 21:39.59 | dean | valdyn: debian: testing - card: radeon 9600 |
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| 21:40.05 | peterS | LeBear: sure. 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV tun' |
| 21:40.09 | Ikarus | bleah file -k does not work as advertised ' |
| 21:40.12 | abrotman | dfinn: that's silly .. at least we can claim it's not in debian :) |
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| 21:40.24 | abrotman | dfinn: i personally don't use mplayer .. did you try google at all? |
| 21:40.27 | valdyn | dean: hmm, pick proper values for your monitor specs should fix this already |
| 21:40.28 | Ikarus | anyone know what the -k option does do in file |
| 21:40.29 | LeBear | peterS: /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "tun" |
| 21:40.30 | xam | simonrvn: yeah, but it sounds like "oh, look at those poor bastards" ... maybe we are, but you don't have to rub this under our noses ;) |
| 21:40.31 | jopy | ab, yeah, i screwed xfree somehow ;-/ wont uninstall without taking out 1gb of programs, wont install as already installed, and --reinstall dosnt seem to recreate all the files. x-window-system contains the startx file no ? |
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| 21:40.36 | dfinn | abrotman: yeah, nothing helpful coming up there |
| 21:40.38 | ep | do you get better CD burns if you select slower speeds than MAX? |
| 21:40.40 | valdyn | dean: alsa in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:40.50 | abrotman | jopy: man dpkg .. again .. there's an option to replace conf files |
| 21:40.51 | valdyn | dean: also in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:40.54 | dean | valdyn: i changed the c and hsync values now but how do i restart xserver? |
| 21:40.57 | LeBear | anyone else? |
| 21:41.05 | peterS | LeBear: oh, it works on unstable, I hadn't tried it on stable |
| 21:41.07 | dean | valdyn: oh thanks |
| 21:41.10 | peterS | LeBear: are you using a 2.4 kernel, btw? |
| 21:41.11 | valdyn | dean: how did you start it? |
| 21:41.20 | jopy | abrotman, k ill check for a bit. might be back if im too lame to understand the help file (which is possible) :) |
| 21:41.26 | LeBear | peterS: yeah.. I just built a 2.4.29 with grsec.. |
| 21:41.31 | peterS | LeBear: on stable, I guess you do 'mkdir /dev/net; mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200; chmod 660 /dev/net/tun' |
| 21:41.43 | LeBear | Ahh. Thanks. it was the major/minor I was looking for |
| 21:41.55 | peterS | LeBear: you can verify the '10 200' bit by reading /proc/misc - it'll mention tun as minor 200, and misc is major 10 |
| 21:42.02 | simonrvn | xam: eh? well it wasn't meant like that at all. i know you're just poking me, but i am curious as to why some folks do that, when all we're doing is trying to get them better help (from my PoV anyway) |
| 21:42.08 | peterS | LeBear: assuming you have the tun module loaded, of course (: |
| 21:42.09 | jim | LeBear: in kernel source, there is a file Documentation/devices.txt |
| 21:42.14 | jim | take a look |
| 21:42.15 | valdyn | dean: how did you start your X? |
| 21:42.23 | LeBear | peterS: Jah.. I do. Thanks |
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| 21:43.03 | LeBear | Aha! Awesome.. it worked. |
| 21:43.24 | jeff__ | stew, ok im not sure what i should edit in dhclient-script |
| 21:43.27 | jim | LeBear: cool :) now you should read that file |
| 21:43.33 | double_c | dfinn: there is a package called mplayer-update that grabs the latest sources, builds and packages it then installs. Not sure where it comes from, maybe marillat, but if you use that then you can tell the #mplayer people you just built the latest version :) |
| 21:43.40 | dean | valdyn: it started when the computer started (sorry very new to linux) |
| 21:44.22 | stew | jeff__: look for lines with search |
| 21:44.26 | stuartSan | grr my ingrown toenail is so painful its giving my 2nd toe itches |
| 21:44.38 | stouset | That's...nice. |
| 21:44.38 | atrus | is there any way to stop udev from making all these superfluous pty and tty devices in /dev? |
| 21:44.52 | stouset | atrus: is it all that bad a deal? :-) |
| 21:44.54 | stuartSan | and its those itches that you can't seem to find no matter where you scratch |
| 21:45.06 | peterS | abrotman: kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 doesn't seem to be kde-enabled |
| 21:45.06 | jeff__ | stew i see a few |
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| 21:45.16 | valdyn | dean: "ps aux | grep dm" tell me if you see xdm or kdm or gdm there |
| 21:45.23 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.28 | abrotman | peterS: slashdot seems to imply there will be "kubuntu" people coming here soon .... |
| 21:45.36 | abrotman | peterS: guess that that is? :) |
| 21:45.46 | atrus | stouset: it bugs me :) back in the good-old-devfs days ( ;) ) i had /dev down to approx. 30-40 entries. you could actually do an ls there and have it make sense :) |
| 21:45.48 | peterS | abrotman: yay. I have no idea. surely it would be nothing analogous to gnoppix |
| 21:45.50 | jeff__ | [ x$new_domain_name != x ] && R="${R}search $new_domain_name |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | peterS: oh come on .. ubuntu with kde instead of gnome |
| 21:46.03 | stouset | atrus: Yeah, I know. I guess I sort of stopped caring =\ |
| 21:46.05 | jeff__ | echo search $new_domain_name >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:46.24 | jeff__ | those are the 2 |
| 21:46.27 | valdyn | dean: oh or actually, just give the output of "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 21:46.28 | peterS | abrotman: I thought my reference to gnoppix would make it clear that I had made that connection (: |
| 21:46.39 | maketo | well just for everyone's infor ext2/3 online resize is supported and works |
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| 21:46.48 | abrotman | peterS: sorry .. i'm slow today |
| 21:46.52 | deadsmith | anyone have a openoffice 2 beta apt source? |
| 21:46.59 | peterS | maketo: as of 2.6.10? that's what I think I heard, but haven't tried it |
| 21:47.02 | jeff__ | should i change those stew |
| 21:47.26 | maketo | peterS : well, I am not sure but rhel4 for example has the capability |
| 21:47.35 | jeff__ | just delete the lines search |
| 21:47.48 | xerox | A little question, "dpkg -i something.deb" actually *compiles* the package, if it is made with "equivs-build control" with a fake control file? Or do I need to compile the program, before equivs-build it? |
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| 21:48.26 | bghfhfg | How do I get X to display programs run by root? |
| 21:48.28 | douglas | is kde 3.4 available through debian as a package yet? |
| 21:48.32 | abrotman | jopy: don't /msg me .. ask here |
| 21:48.35 | stew | jeff__: comment out the one that is > resolv.conf |
| 21:48.38 | valdyn | bghfhfg: with sux |
| 21:48.51 | kama | hello |
| 21:48.53 | douglas | and if so, how do I upgrade a singlle package? |
| 21:48.54 | abrotman | jopy: and i told you .. man dpkg .. and it does tell you how to do that .. but i'd suggest replacing the missing conf files |
| 21:49.00 | abrotman | douglas: no |
| 21:49.10 | stouset | douglas: unlikely; sarge is 1.5 or so months away, according to latest estimates, and 3.4 would definitely not be going into sarge |
| 21:49.12 | abrotman | douglas: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | jopy: yes .. don't ask to ask .. but don't /msg people without permission |
| 21:49.26 | stouset | douglas: So I'd be highly surprised if the KDE folk actually felt like maintaining three separate branches |
| 21:49.38 | jeff__ | ok, about the first one it executes as part of a conditinoal if else statement |
| 21:49.39 | douglas | I c. |
| 21:49.44 | douglas | Thanks |
| 21:49.49 | jeff__ | if [ -x /sbin/resolvconf ]; then |
| 21:49.58 | jeff__ | then the first one comes in that blocok |
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| 21:50.04 | stuartSan | msing seems pretty taboo in linux channels, other than sharing the info with others, whats the reason i still am fascinated by it |
| 21:50.08 | stuartSan | msging* |
| 21:50.30 | jeff__ | else |
| 21:50.34 | jeff__ | make_resolv_conf() { # echo search $new_domain_name >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:50.55 | stew | jeff__: stop |
| 21:50.58 | stew | jeff__: i told you which |
| 21:51.08 | jeff__ | ok |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | stuartSan: first of all .. what if the person sends me a msg .. and i'm afk for a long time? |
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| 21:52.02 | abrotman | stuartSan: if the do the entire conversation in channel . then others can catch up |
| 21:52.08 | Thaiger | I changed my partition table and now grub gives me an error 22 (IIRC no such partition) but I didn't change the partition that has the grub files |
| 21:52.18 | valdyn | stuartSan: its intimidating, it may trigger an alert on that users box. |
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| 21:52.35 | jeff__ | whats the command to test the fastest apt-server |
| 21:52.41 | stew | apt-spy |
| 21:53.00 | abrotman | which last time i tried .. wiped out my sources :) |
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| 21:53.16 | stew | jeff__: and netselect-apt iirc |
| 21:53.23 | stuartSan | oh okay |
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| 21:54.02 | microcephalopod | i need to run a socks5 server on one of my boxes, can someone suggest one to use? i couldn't find one in debians package search tool |
| 21:54.08 | dfinn | ok, so after a little more research into my mplayer problem it appears it's mainly this kind of video file that won't play " RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 480, 10.00 fps, video: Motion JPEG, audio: uncompressed PCM (mono, 11024 Hz)". what codec do I need for that? |
| 21:54.15 | jeff__ | thats what i was looking for |
| 21:54.34 | xam | simonrvn: seriously, I have mips and mipsel architectures here, running linux (besides hppa and alpha), and yes, sometimes you just want to kill some app programmers for their stupidity and ignorance (when it comes to endianess and 64bit compatibilty). But then you don't need compassion, but some more competent developers and testers |
| 21:54.48 | abrotman | dfinn: get all the codecs from mplayer.hu |
| 21:54.52 | Delph | dfinn: for free, you need to look for a motion jpeg one. |
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| 21:55.03 | Delph | where you get that; i don't know. |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | dfinn: i think you want the essential package .. goes in .. /usr/lib/win32 iirc |
| 21:55.16 | abrotman | dfinn: if it's not there .. i have no freaking idea |
| 21:55.23 | peterS | microcephalopod: 'dante-server'? |
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| 21:55.59 | jeff__ | thx stew i think its working now |
| 21:56.39 | BenDrake | i am useing debian sarge. I did a "apt-cache unmet" and it ratteled off a wack of stuff. how can I remedy this. Ive used apt-get check, and update, and upgrade. |
| 21:56.52 | xerox | Can you tell me in which pakage is "makeinfo" ? |
| 21:57.01 | microcephalopod | peterS: sweet, thanks |
| 21:57.07 | xerox | (..or how to find this information) |
| 21:57.07 | thomas_adam | xerox: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:57.13 | jeff__ | is it ok if there are 2 nameserver 172.16.0.1 enterys |
| 21:57.23 | dfinn | abrotman: thanks, downloading both "all" and "essential" now |
| 21:57.28 | PerfDave | BenDrake: YOu could try not running "pat-cache unmet" :) |
| 21:57.42 | peterS | jeff__: shouldn't hurt anything, so long as 172.16.0.1 actually works |
| 21:57.42 | BenDrake | lol |
| 21:57.43 | thomas_adam | xerox: texinfo: usr/bin/makeinfo |
| 21:57.52 | xerox | Thank you. |
| 21:58.18 | PerfDave | BenDrake: Testing has bugs, and unmet dependencies, it's not anything to worry about unless it affects packages you're actually using. |
| 21:58.44 | stouset | Argh...I think I'm going to throttle the next person who tells me they're a "compile from source guy" because they like to "give the source a once-over to make sure everything's okay" |
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| 21:59.10 | BenDrake | I have no screen saver anymore. and when I use apt-get and do an install i get some Qt.* not found in perl/bla/bla bla |
| 21:59.12 | stouset | Right, because if I were going to put a trojan in, it would be in all caps an the function would be called EMAIL_USERNAME_AND_PASSWORD_TO_ME |
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| 21:59.39 | peterS | heya, enveezee |
| 22:00.02 | BenDrake | I reinstalled all my kde and xscreensavers because they were missing.. and they are still not listed in the screensavers |
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| 22:00.10 | Nemesis__ | PerfDave: heh, funny thing is i've had less problems with unstable than with testing |
| 22:00.11 | humbolt | would I rather user the sid php5 packages for sarge than the woody? |
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| 22:00.27 | greycat | humbolt: the WHAT? |
| 22:00.29 | jeff__ | when using apt-spy and if im on sarge should i use -d testing |
| 22:00.36 | jim | humbolt: you decide |
| 22:00.52 | greycat | jeff__: man apt-spy |
| 22:01.01 | humbolt | use not user |
| 22:01.27 | humbolt | arent woody packages compiled against another gcc... |
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| 22:01.33 | humbolt | glibc |
| 22:01.35 | jeff__ | dosent help grey cat |
| 22:01.46 | jeff__ | is sarge testing or unstable |
| 22:01.50 | PerfDave | Nemesis__: You probably will do, until it breks and kills your system ;) |
| 22:01.52 | jim | humbolt: yes |
| 22:02.00 | drac | jeff__: testing. |
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| 22:02.04 | secher | Is the 'Net *really* lagged today, or is it just me? |
| 22:02.07 | jeff__ | k thx |
| 22:02.10 | ningo | n8 |
| 22:02.18 | peterS | secher: seems to be just you |
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| 22:02.40 | valdyn | humbolt: php5 packages for woody would be on dotdeb.org, i wouldnt try the ones from sid on woody |
| 22:02.43 | humbolt | jim: so sid packages are more compartible |
| 22:02.52 | jim | not with woody |
| 22:02.54 | humbolt | I see |
| 22:02.57 | secher | Cool, thanks. I'll have to take more hallucinogens to correct my perceptions. <grin> |
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| 22:03.32 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me? I erased an old linux partition that I didn't need anymore and now when I reboot grub gives and error 22 |
| 22:03.38 | humbolt | valdyn: cause dotdeb.org is simply more trustworthy?! |
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| 22:03.42 | jim | humbolt: sometimes you can backport a package by compiling it in the presence of the woody gcc and libs |
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| 22:03.56 | humbolt | jim: I have sarge |
| 22:04.01 | jeff__ | !dpkg java |
| 22:04.01 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 22:04.04 | valdyn | humbolt: no, not at all, but because those packages are made for woody |
| 22:04.06 | ferris | if i use the apt-get upgrade will that upgrade only the installed packages? |
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| 22:04.22 | jim | humbolt: sarge is -presently- closer to sid |
| 22:04.27 | peterS | ferris: yes |
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| 22:04.30 | valdyn | humbolt: if you use sarge then you cant use those and might be fine with whatever php package from sid |
| 22:04.32 | LeBear | I remember why I always hated modules. |
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| 22:04.35 | Topclass | hi is there a deb package for captive ntfs |
| 22:04.35 | jeff__ | !dpkg install java |
| 22:04.35 | ferris | thanks peterS |
| 22:04.35 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 22:04.47 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 22:04.49 | sobersabre | dns q. |
| 22:04.55 | dfinn | abrotman: that didn't work. |
| 22:05.03 | ferris | goahead sobersabre |
| 22:05.08 | valdyn | humbolt: mixing woody with sid or sarge just hardly works because theyre already to different |
| 22:05.19 | dfinn | to anyone else who's using the mplayer packages from ftp.nerim.net, where do the codecs go? |
| 22:05.48 | valdyn | dfinn: which codecs? |
| 22:05.48 | jeff__ | how can install java.. which package should i start off with |
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| 22:06.01 | sobersabre | i have 2 nics on the machines: 1 normal ip, connected to a net with its nameserver. and 2nd one - with internal ip (192.168.x.y) in which i also need a nameserver ( with reversed lookups) |
| 22:06.16 | dfinn | valdyn: win32 codecs |
| 22:06.17 | humbolt | valdyn: Ah, I messed up with your last message, did not get it. So I take sid packages for sarge in general! |
| 22:06.20 | sobersabre | i have setup the zones |
| 22:06.21 | Shadowarrior13 | Where's the ISO for the i386? |
| 22:06.22 | ferris | jeff__ did you go to suns site ? |
| 22:06.23 | jim | jeff__: one way, start with java-package |
| 22:06.25 | valdyn | dfinn: windows .dll files? /usr/lib/win32/ |
| 22:06.37 | dfinn | valdyn: that's where I have them, damn. |
| 22:06.40 | Shadowarrior13 | There's like, a crapload of different stuff on the ftp |
| 22:06.41 | ferris | they have a good installation documentation |
| 22:06.42 | jeff__ | k |
| 22:06.59 | jim | then you get a .bin package |
| 22:07.05 | jeff__ | alright |
| 22:07.11 | LeBear | ok.. added a module. gotta reboot. *grumble* |
| 22:07.12 | jim | one of those listed in the docs |
| 22:07.21 | jeff__ | right |
| 22:07.35 | sobersabre | q: how shall i set up the hostname: internal or external ? how shall i set the default domain - external or internal ? how shall i set the resolving order ? |
| 22:07.38 | jim | then run make-jpkg on that bin |
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| 22:07.39 | valdyn | dfinn: can you even play that media file on windows? |
| 22:07.49 | jeff__ | thx' |
| 22:07.54 | jim | you end up with a .deb; install it |
| 22:08.09 | ferris | is this during setup of Debian? |
| 22:08.14 | dfinn | valdyn: I haven't tried it on windows but xine plays it just fine |
| 22:08.27 | sobersabre | i have 2 directions: 1:: setup the internal DNS not to forward, and setup external - as 2ndary. |
| 22:08.46 | secher | what package contains the sane backends? |
| 22:08.48 | sobersabre | 2:: setup internal dns only, and make it user "forwarder" - the external dns. |
| 22:09.00 | dfinn | valdyn: if I gave you the link to it would you be willing to try and DL it and play it using mplayer? |
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| 22:09.04 | sobersabre | where can i read about this ? |
| 22:09.07 | secher | apt-cache does not readily reveal the answer. |
| 22:09.13 | abrotman | mplayer goes byebye |
| 22:09.20 | valdyn | dfinn: i saw the codec info you gave earlier, it didnt look at all like needing a windows dll, so its probably and mplayer bug - you can make mplayer use different decoding backends - read the docs, play with that, i dont know offhand |
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| 22:09.50 | valdyn | dfinn: or start w/ gmplayer, its trivial to find in that gui |
| 22:10.23 | abrotman | for those of you that are mplayer users : http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 22:10.32 | valdyn | dfinn: sure i can do that |
| 22:10.32 | Xemacs_ | why would my isp block length of file ? |
| 22:10.37 | jeff__ | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html |
| 22:10.47 | sobersabre | Xemacs_, disk space... |
| 22:10.49 | jeff__ | there are all the codecs you want |
| 22:10.57 | Xemacs_ | or a server not send a file length |
| 22:11.32 | sobersabre | Xemacs_, bandwidth limits.. |
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| 22:12.05 | sobersabre | is there any dns channel on freenode ... like bind9 or named ... |
| 22:12.15 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 22:12.44 | dfinn | valdyn: http://www.tahoetrails.net/images/S4vsStealthTT.AVI |
| 22:13.11 | sobersabre | hmmm.. must leave .. chears, guys. |
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| 22:13.41 | ferris | did Debian just release upgrades? |
| 22:14.13 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. does anyone know of an easy, safe way to modify the sendmail makefile? |
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| 22:14.14 | LeBear | Hrmm... Question. Can you use a virtual interface as an endpoint of a bridge? |
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| 22:14.14 | phogg | ferris: constantly. And also, no. |
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| 22:14.57 | zulu | grub-install /dev/sda give me "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 22:14.59 | ferris | thanks phogg |
| 22:15.03 | zulu | what should I do? |
| 22:15.07 | mac | how do I get /dev/input/event* devices? (already did "modprobe evdev"; /dev/input only has "js*" and "mice") |
| 22:15.57 | azemel | zulu> create or edit device-map file and give it to grub as --option |
| 22:16.26 | zulu | ok.. |
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| 22:17.12 | Thaiger | OK, so I erased an old partition and made a new one, and when I reboot and I get a grub error 22, so I boot with a live cd mount my root partition chroot to it and do an update grub, it creates a new menu.lst I reboot and I still get an error 22, can anyone help me? |
| 22:17.14 | zulu | I saw I could give a grub device instead of a /dev/thing |
| 22:17.20 | valdyn | dfinn: same as for you, mplayer doesnt play it, xine does |
| 22:17.35 | zulu | the pb is that I not sure what is the good device to pass... |
| 22:17.58 | zulu | I booted with a grub floppy using root=(hd0,1) |
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| 22:18.12 | zulu | so I suppose hd0 is the good device? |
| 22:18.35 | azemel | zulu> afaik grub may forget all your's devices when bootstrap-loaded, so I used device-map to be sure |
| 22:18.50 | dfinn | valdyn: wierd, I've always had great luck with mplayer playing everything. oh well, I feel better knowing it's not just me or my system. thanks, I really apprecaite it. |
| 22:18.51 | cliechti | Thaiger, you may need to do a grub-install, the same thing zulu is trying to do ;-) |
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| 22:19.11 | zulu | :) |
| 22:19.17 | zulu | grub install party yeahhhhh |
| 22:19.20 | zulu | baby |
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| 22:19.38 | zulu | ok azemel |
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| 22:20.06 | travisat | whazzzup!!!1 |
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| 22:20.17 | travisat | my homeyssss |
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| 22:20.33 | travisat | debians in the hizhouse |
| 22:20.39 | travisat | yeah! |
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| 22:21.09 | travisat | yo yo software suspend 2 is the shiznit |
| 22:21.14 | bob2 | lord |
| 22:21.16 | zulu | azemel, my grub does not have --option! |
| 22:21.24 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hah, I was just waiting for you |
| 22:21.26 | travisat | sorry I'll stop now |
| 22:21.33 | Thaiger | cliechti: I'm booted from a livecd and I tried grub-install /dev/hda but I just get could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device |
| 22:21.34 | zulu | what exaclty is grub-install? a script? |
| 22:21.48 | Xemacs_ | "debians in the hizhouse" what language is that ? |
| 22:22.00 | Thaiger | zulu: yes |
| 22:22.01 | Nemesis__ | Xemacs_: python |
| 22:22.03 | Delph | Xemacs_: travisatian |
| 22:22.07 | bob2 | Nemesis__: go hang with soph or something |
| 22:22.12 | peterS | zulu: you can find out with 'file /sbin/grub-install' |
| 22:22.14 | stew | zulu: i'm guessing its a script who's manpage you should read :) |
| 22:22.17 | bob2 | Nemesis__: #debian will destroy your will to live |
| 22:22.18 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hah, i have an AI lecture at 10 |
| 22:22.20 | cliechti | Thaiger, grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mnt/hda1 #edit to point to the mounted partition for the /boot dir |
| 22:22.26 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hehehe |
| 22:22.34 | bob2 | Nemesis__: when has that ever stopped you? |
| 22:22.48 | travisat | Nemesis__: hmm AI now there's a subject I'm interested in |
| 22:22.53 | azemel | zulu> search key in man and docs is "device[-]map" |
| 22:22.53 | Nemesis__ | bob2: *shrugs* im meeting her at sullies anyway |
| 22:22.58 | bob2 | Nemesis__: hah |
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| 22:23.04 | Nemesis__ | bob2: but you already knew that |
| 22:23.31 | clayasaurus | whoever maintains the empire package in debian needs a history lesson, the man pages state DeNobili and Paulson had the original empire concept, but in fact it was walter bright. a more in depth history in the following link (http://www.classicempire.com/history.html) |
| 22:23.44 | travisat | Nemesis__: I think you should make a natural language parser, and if it works properly it would imitate some form of ai |
| 22:23.49 | bob2 | Nemesis__: hah, I just assumed |
| 22:23.55 | bob2 | clayasaurus: file a bug |
| 22:23.55 | PerfDave | clayasaurus: so e-mail the maintainer ;) |
| 22:24.08 | hogmeat | the adaptec aic7xxxx device driver does not load early enough during the boot sequence. as a result the scsi harddisk does not mount with the other harddrives. how can i cause the device driver to load before the mount sequence ? |
| 22:24.26 | blueshoe | i am having problems getting the i2c-nforce2 module installed... i have "CONFIG_I2C_NFORCE2=m" in /usr/src/linux/.config and the module seems to build fine (it exists as /usr/src/linux/drivers/i2c/i2c-nforce2.o and "make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image" followed by "dpkg -i newkernel" installs the new kernel just fine, but there's no /lib/modules/mykernelversion/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-nforce2.o |
| 22:24.37 | Nemesis__ | travisat: or I could go to the corner shop, buy a broom, and stick the handle really, really far up...... |
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| 22:24.55 | stouset | blueshoe: Is there a compelling reason you're compiling the kernel from scratch? |
| 22:24.59 | cliechti | hogmeat, use an initrd? |
| 22:25.13 | stouset | blueshoe: Unless you've got a really good reason, it's generally better to use the prepackaged images. |
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| 22:25.15 | blueshoe | stouset because i want to use 2.4.29 and unstable is only up to 2.4.27 |
| 22:25.26 | travisat | Nemesis__: If you like sticking up your arse, I guess you could |
| 22:25.32 | Bruno_Torres | i like to build my kernels from scratch |
| 22:25.42 | Bruno_Torres | no good reason for that, just fun |
| 22:25.45 | blueshoe | stouset, if i can't get this working i may just go back to an older kernel, but i'd like to have a go at making this work as is |
| 22:25.46 | bob2 | Nemesis__: so, found a subway with it's light on at 0200 last night |
| 22:25.51 | bob2 | Nemesis__: of course, they were packing up |
| 22:25.57 | LeBear | I just built a kernel from scratch.. |
| 22:25.58 | Shadowarrior13 | IS there a way to use the BIOS to delete everything on a harddrive? |
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| 22:26.01 | blueshoe | stouset, anyway, it seems like i'm 99% of the way there.. the module compiled fine |
| 22:26.06 | travisat | LeBear: YAY!!!! GO YOU!!! |
| 22:26.13 | Shadowarrior13 | Not partitions, just information |
| 22:26.27 | bob2 | Shadowarrior13: no, that'd be stupid |
| 22:26.28 | LeBear | 537 kernels and counting! hurray. |
| 22:26.32 | Nemesis__ | bob2: did it take Credit like the Phillip one? |
| 22:26.39 | stouset | bob2: RAID arrays allow it :-) |
| 22:26.40 | Shadowarrior13 | Why would it be stupid? |
| 22:26.43 | blueshoe | i just don't understand why make-kpkg or dpkg aren't installing the module in the proper place |
| 22:26.46 | Shadowarrior13 | I fucked t up anyways |
| 22:26.47 | travisat | LeBear: I've go 217 under my belt |
| 22:26.48 | TNKS | I've got a question. What tools do Debian package maintainers use to build their .deb files? I know about checkinstall, but I don't think that's what's actually used for real |
| 22:26.53 | TNKS | packages. |
| 22:26.56 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hey wait, the one up from cargo was open and selling at like 2am....around the time when elliot was hitting on jenny.. oh wait, thatw as all night |
| 22:27.00 | bob2 | Shadowarrior13: because the bios doesn't care. use a boot disk. |
| 22:27.00 | stouset | blueshoe: Is it a vanilla kernel? |
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| 22:27.03 | bob2 | Nemesis__: baaaaaaah |
| 22:27.05 | travisat | TNKS: dpkg |
| 22:27.09 | bob2 | Nemesis__: also, 'twas a thursday :/ |
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| 22:27.10 | pipeline | LeBear, travisat: I'm proud to say I've configured fewer than a hundred kernels in the last eight years. |
| 22:27.21 | Shadowarrior13 | I have a gentoo livecd, could I use something on that? |
| 22:27.23 | Nemesis__ | bob2: ooh saw jenny yesterday |
| 22:27.29 | LeBear | pipeline: hehe.. honestly, I have no idea how many I've made.. |
| 22:27.29 | Shadowarrior13 | fdisk doesn't work, it only deletes partitions |
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| 22:27.41 | TNKS | travisat, ah, I use dpkg for everything else, it slipped by me that it makes packages too. |
| 22:27.42 | pipeline | Shadowarrior13: Yeah, use dd with if=/dev/zero |
| 22:27.44 | bob2 | Shadowarrior13: so...? |
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| 22:27.45 | HansKaiser | hello |
| 22:27.52 | micker | should I normally have a directory in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8/ called scripts? |
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| 22:27.57 | bob2 | Nemesis__: hah. still bitter? |
| 22:27.58 | dpy | hi guys |
| 22:28.00 | blueshoe | stouset, it was a vanilla kernel that i manually applied the i2c and lmsensors patches to (which only had debs for earlier kernels) |
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| 22:28.14 | dpy | anyone here knows how to effectively crop .ps files ? |
| 22:28.16 | travisat | TNKS: reed the man |
| 22:28.18 | lewis2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.26 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hehe no, she's well. the centre of attention at work, it would seem, hahaha |
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| 22:28.38 | bob2 | Nemesis__: shockingly! |
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| 22:28.43 | dpy | postscripts are really cool, but cropping them proves to be very hard in linux |
| 22:28.43 | Nemesis__ | bob2: hehehe |
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| 22:28.49 | bob2 | dpy: gimp can. sure psutils has something. |
| 22:29.03 | LeBear | hrmm.. I don't have uml_net.. |
| 22:29.04 | dpy | while postscript is not very well supported in windows, I can crop postscripts in windows |
| 22:29.09 | HansKaiser | is any doc available how to configure ISDN to use it for a internetconnection under sarge? |
| 22:29.21 | TNKS | travisat, just did, thanks for the pointer. |
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| 22:29.28 | dpy | bob2: gimp can crop postscripts and still maintain it as a postscript ? |
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| 22:29.47 | cliechti | and gs? |
| 22:29.51 | bob2 | dpy: it can output as postscript, yes |
| 22:30.00 | bob2 | I guess it might annoyingly rasterise it or something |
| 22:30.05 | hob | Can anyone point me in the direction of stopping my scsi cdrw slowing down the boot? |
| 22:30.15 | Thaiger | OK, booted from a liveCD I tried grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mnt/hda2, but all I get is cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524 |
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| 22:30.25 | dpy | oh god |
| 22:30.27 | cliechti | hob, use the screwdriver and remove it ;-) |
| 22:30.32 | dpy | it's opening all pages as a new image |
| 22:30.38 | dpy | my deskopt is floodeddddddddddddd |
| 22:30.44 | hob | lol |
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| 22:30.56 | bob2 | Thaiger: you'd need to chroot, first |
| 22:31.01 | cliechti | Thaiger, try an other livecd, maybe grub is broken on this one |
| 22:31.04 | RedPenguin | Is there a command similar to lspci or scanpci for ISA? |
| 22:31.10 | nutshell42 | HansKaiser: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/04/msg01315.html |
| 22:31.13 | cliechti | bob2, not needed for grub-install |
| 22:31.13 | dpy | like I said |
| 22:31.22 | dpy | linux cannot crop postscript files |
| 22:31.22 | bob2 | RedPenguin: pnpdump, but it's a lot more complicated, aiui |
| 22:31.26 | LeeColleton | would it be possible to include the ClearviewHwy font in debian? |
| 22:31.31 | bob2 | dpy: of course it can |
| 22:31.34 | valdyn | RedPenguin: not exactly possible afaik, pnpdump does what is possible |
| 22:31.38 | bob2 | dpy: please stop spreading FUD |
| 22:31.42 | micker | anyone familliar with kernel-headers? |
| 22:31.44 | bob2 | LeeColleton: is it DFSG-Free? |
| 22:31.54 | bob2 | micker: best to just ask your question |
| 22:31.58 | cliechti | dpy, did you look at gs? |
| 22:31.59 | micker | should I normally have a directory in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8/ called scripts? |
| 22:32.01 | LeeColleton | uh.. fonts can't be copyrighted? |
| 22:32.12 | dpy | cliechti: sure I did |
| 22:32.19 | dpy | all those tools render to raster |
| 22:32.20 | bob2 | LeeColleton: truetype fonts can be |
| 22:32.22 | Thaiger | bob2: Chroot to where? /mnt/hda2? |
| 22:32.27 | dpy | and then the postscript is screwed up |
| 22:32.31 | bob2 | Thaiger: cliechti says you don't need to |
| 22:32.36 | bob2 | LeeColleton: since they contain code |
| 22:32.36 | stouset | Anyone here familiar with proxying AIM through Apache? I've been asking in #gaim and #apache, so might as well give it a shot here. |
| 22:32.38 | dpy | I need to crop in postscript and save to postscript |
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| 22:32.40 | HansKaiser | nutshell42: i will give it a try |
| 22:32.47 | dpy | not render to raster image and then crop |
| 22:32.54 | dpy | which is what all tools do |
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| 22:33.17 | hogmeat | cliechti: btw im running kernel 2.6, not certain if it makes sense to specify specific device drivers in /etc/modules? |
| 22:33.20 | Delph | stouset: why proxy through apache? what? why? |
| 22:33.32 | LeBear | what's the other private netblock other than 10.0.0.0/8 and 192.168.0.0/16 ? |
| 22:33.44 | bob2 | LeBear: 172.something |
| 22:33.50 | bob2 | it's 12, iirc |
| 22:33.56 | stew | 12-16 iirc |
| 22:34.01 | stew | rfc 1918 |
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| 22:34.04 | LeBear | 172hrmmm |
| 22:34.05 | stouset | Delph: Port 80 outgoing by default policy where I work. I need to proxy a lot of things through a machine I own on 80. |
| 22:34.05 | bob2 | yeah |
| 22:34.11 | cliechti | dpy, gs can output vector formats too, like simplified ps, or pdf. |
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| 22:34.37 | Delph | stouset: ok, so just run a TCP proxy. sorted. |
| 22:34.41 | micker | bob2, I'm trying to install madwifi on Progeny2 and the make file is referencing a script called /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8/scripts/gcc-version.sh I dont have that file, I dont even have scripts in the sirectory |
| 22:34.44 | stouset | I'm doing it for IRC right now. But AOL's servers send a disconnect when I attempt to connect. |
| 22:34.49 | Sero | How do I change the computer name? |
| 22:34.55 | Thaiger | cliechti: This is my only liveCD, assuming grub isn't broken is there anything else I can do? |
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| 22:34.59 | Delph | stouset: well. talk a decent protocol. |
| 22:34.59 | stouset | Delph: I'm running a site on the machine, so I can't bind anything else to port 80 :-) |
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| 22:35.24 | Delph | stouset: you can bind something to port 80 that transparently redirects if it doesn't get something that looks like a http request immediatley. |
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| 22:35.38 | bob2 | micker: sounds like progeny's kernels suck |
| 22:35.42 | bob2 | (I have it) |
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| 22:35.59 | micker | bob2, its the standard debian 2.6.8 kernel |
| 22:36.00 | stouset | Delph: complicated? |
| 22:36.01 | cliechti | Thaiger, that command line i gave you worked for me tha last time i used it. you may also find a boot floppy/rescue floppy with grub |
| 22:36.06 | Delph | stouset: never tried it. |
| 22:36.11 | caphuso | bob2: can you do a dpkg -S on it? |
| 22:36.17 | valdyn | micker: your madwifi stuff needs the full kernel sources as it seems |
| 22:36.18 | MarcinKra | Sero, Your computername for network or what |
| 22:36.29 | LeeColleton | bob2: oh, I see: ClearviewHwy is the font rendering /software/. Clearview is a high visibility font developed for use /on the highway/. |
| 22:36.40 | Delph | but it can't be that hard to pick off the first byte of a connection and look for a magic value. |
| 22:36.44 | stouset | Delph: I've already got Apache's proxying up and running; like I said, IRC is going through it now. Figure I'm just doing one thing wrongly =\ |
| 22:36.50 | valdyn | !find gcc-version.sh |
| 22:36.52 | hogmeat | i put two network cards in this system, what's the best way to monitor network traffic and use it as a router for my lan? |
| 22:36.54 | Delph | stouset: anyhow; if you've got IRC working, just use bitlbee |
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| 22:36.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gcc-version.sh' (1): (/usr/src/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3/scripts/gcc-version.sh) in devel/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3. |
| 22:36.58 | micker | valdyn, well I just tried to apt-get them and apt says the sources are the latest version.... |
| 22:36.58 | cliechti | hogmeat, i dont know, i have some some modules in there for mouse and other peripherals, but i dont need any special drivers to boot from my IDE disk |
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| 22:37.11 | bob2 | caphuso: hrm |
| 22:37.16 | bob2 | caphuso: not found |
| 22:37.16 | Sero | MarcinKra, yeah for the network. |
| 22:37.21 | hogmeat | cliechti: thanks im gonna try and use mkinitrd. |
| 22:37.27 | valdyn | micker: youre madwifi isnt looking in the sources though |
| 22:37.33 | cliechti | hogmeat, iptraf, routing is built in the kernel |
| 22:37.42 | hogmeat | cliechti: thanks |
| 22:37.45 | bob2 | hogmeat: depends what you mean by monitor. ntop or iptraf are cool, tho. |
| 22:37.45 | caphuso | bob2: thought so... |
| 22:38.07 | hogmeat | was trying to catch kiddies that like to port scan and run virus reboots |
| 22:38.07 | bob2 | (ubuntu kernel) |
| 22:38.16 | bob2 | hogmeat: why do you care? |
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| 22:38.27 | micker | valdyn, well, I'm building it with 'make KERNELPATH="/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8"' |
| 22:38.28 | hogmeat | cause they got me a few times |
| 22:38.40 | micker | valdyn, is that proper? |
| 22:38.40 | bob2 | "got" you? |
| 22:38.47 | bob2 | you're running linux. |
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| 22:39.08 | valdyn | micker: thats the path to headers, not the complete source |
| 22:39.19 | cliechti | hogmeat, enable the firewall ;-) |
| 22:39.19 | MarcinKra | Sero, look in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:39.24 | micker | valdyn, a hah! |
| 22:39.28 | morgajelWork | alright stouset, I need to tap your brain again... I'm getting to the point where pam talks to winbind and gives a "granted access" message, says it's accepting keyboard-interactive/pam for ssh, then give the following error: fatal: login_get_lastlog: Cannot find account for uid 10000 |
| 22:39.38 | morgajelWork | I'm googling right not but it's not been productive |
| 22:39.53 | valdyn | micker: make oldconfig in your sources tree first , or modules arent gonna load |
| 22:40.01 | hogmeat | they hosed my router so that it stopped responding to outside network traffic, and rebooted an NT box i had connected directly via ethernet |
| 22:40.24 | derntur | hello |
| 22:40.24 | micker | valdyn, ok.. |
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| 22:40.46 | derntur | got this message when i launch alsaconf FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep.temp for writing: Read-only fil |
| 22:40.55 | derntur | could u help a newb? |
| 22:41.05 | bob2 | derntur: tgat seems pretty clear |
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| 22:41.12 | bob2 | derntur: /lib/ is on a read-only file system |
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| 22:41.18 | cliechti | derntur, ran it as root? |
| 22:41.20 | bob2 | find out why / is ro |
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| 22:42.18 | MarcinKra | Sero, sorry in /etc/hostname and /etc/host |
| 22:43.15 | MarcinKra | Sero, the best solustion grep "\bComputerName" /etc/* (CoputerName is your Computer Name ;)) |
| 22:43.50 | Integer | !apt-get moo |
| 22:43.50 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 22:44.26 | hogmeat | i was thinking to put this sarge system as the routing machine between the outside ip address and inside router to prevent attacks, and monitor against hackers. thus iptraf, ntop, firewall are the tools i need to do this? |
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| 22:45.51 | rickdangerous | hogmeat, maybe snort too |
| 22:45.58 | cliechti | hogmeat, spying on your users is illegal in many countries... |
| 22:46.06 | hogmeat | rickdangerous: thanks |
| 22:46.22 | hogmeat | cliechti: this is my home setup, not for business |
| 22:46.36 | hogmeat | i am the only user |
| 22:47.01 | green_earz | hogmeat: have a look at shorewall to help set up the firewall and gateway |
| 22:47.08 | cliechti | ethereal is also nice if you realy want to see whats comming from the outside |
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| 22:47.25 | rickdangerous | ho1ywind, and ethereal if you are that much paranoid^Wsecurity concerned :) |
| 22:47.30 | hogmeat | green_earz: will do thanks |
| 22:47.49 | green_earz | np |
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| 22:48.13 | LeBear | I don't suppose anyone here has played with UML any? I'm having trouble getting the networking to work via tun/tap. uml_net is giving me an error when it runs via the uml linux binary |
| 22:48.27 | sparr | What is wrong with the ident server at 68.112.68.255? |
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| 22:49.34 | KFerdous | Hi |
| 22:49.46 | KFerdous | How can i install JRE in simplest form? |
| 22:50.08 | stouset | !tell KFerdous about install java |
| 22:50.09 | drini | I know! |
| 22:50.15 | pipeline | KFerdous: get java-package from unstable, download the Sun java installer, use make-jpkg |
| 22:50.20 | valdyn | sparr: .255 isnt a valid adress |
| 22:50.26 | drini | add the line deb http://mirrors.publicshout.org/java-linux/debian/ unstable non-free |
| 22:50.40 | drini | to your /etc/apt/sources.list, update and apt-get it |
| 22:50.50 | LeBear | egads! backports doesn't have uml-utilities. |
| 22:50.59 | sparr | valdyn: yeah, thats what i thought too. |
| 22:51.07 | cliechti | valdyn, i tought that too, but if the netmask is wider than 8 bits? |
| 22:51.11 | sparr | valdyn: but its just fine |
| 22:51.24 | KFerdous | stouset; kind of new to debian :) thats why I was asking |
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| 22:53.23 | jeff__ | Couldn't find package java-package |
| 22:53.25 | green_earz | KFerdous: use apt-setup to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file then add the url drini give you |
| 22:53.41 | jeff__ | did that |
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| 22:54.34 | Bradman | Hello, Im working on an OpenSource project (eLearn) and Im trying to dev a php script for a login...much like Shadow..and Im having trouble with 'last' Days since Jan 1, 1970 that password was last changed |
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| 22:55.11 | stouset | KFerdous: That's fine. That's why I was answering :-) |
| 22:55.23 | rickdangerous | Bradman, #php ? |
| 22:55.35 | Bradman | My Question is... How does it work... |
| 22:55.35 | KFerdous | green_earz; oh this url http://packages.debian.org/java-package ? |
| 22:55.43 | Bradman | k, ill try ther |
| 22:55.52 | rickdangerous | Bradman, ok |
| 22:56.32 | green_earz | KFerdous: add the line > deb http://mirrors.publicshout.org/java-linux/debian/ unstable non-free |
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| 22:57.36 | jeff__ | is it apt-get install java-packages |
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| 22:57.42 | jeff__ | is it apt-get install java-package |
| 22:57.45 | jeff__ | i mean |
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| 22:57.58 | KFerdous | thank you guys :) |
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| 22:58.39 | jeff__ | because it still canot find the package |
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| 22:59.10 | rickdangerous | jeff__, apt-cache policy java-package |
| 22:59.25 | jeff__ | W: Unable to locate package java-package |
| 22:59.41 | mrhemlock | apt-get update |
| 22:59.45 | cliechti | jeff__, search with "apt-cache search ..." and dont forget to "apt-get update" after modifying sources.list |
| 22:59.47 | bob2 | wow |
| 22:59.54 | bob2 | love this "suggest random commands" strategy |
| 23:00.20 | peterS | yeah, where's mwilson? he'd love it too |
| 23:00.34 | bob2 | rickdangerous: no, that won't help, since apt doesn't know about the package at all |
| 23:00.38 | rickdangerous | jeff__, apt-cache policy|grep unstable/contrib||echo "error" |
| 23:00.47 | bob2 | mrhemlock: do you have reason to believbe it only came into existence since the last time jeff__ ran that? |
| 23:00.49 | rickdangerous | bob2, yeah |
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| 23:01.34 | mrhemlock | bob2, yes he just adde line to sources list |
| 23:01.37 | jeff__ | dammit |
| 23:01.56 | jeff__ | apt-cache policy|grep unstable/contrib||echo "error" |
| 23:01.56 | jeff__ | error |
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| 23:02.01 | sgeigerb` | bob2: My scrollback buffer isn't helping me find the context. What is it that suggests random commands? |
| 23:02.11 | bob2 | sgeigerb`: rickdangerous and mrhemlock, it seems |
| 23:02.23 | rickdangerous | jeff__ you don't have contrbi which has the java-package in your sources.list |
| 23:02.32 | rickdangerous | s/contrbi/contrib |
| 23:02.36 | simonrvn | what kind of crap grep regex is that? |
| 23:02.52 | rickdangerous | which regex? |
| 23:03.03 | jeff__ | # sources.list generated by apt-spy v3.1 |
| 23:03.03 | jeff__ | deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ testing main |
| 23:03.03 | jeff__ | deb-src http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ testing main |
| 23:03.03 | jeff__ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main deb http://mirrors.publicshout.org/java-linux/debian/ unstable non-free |
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| 23:03.31 | jeff__ | yea i see no contrib |
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| 23:04.31 | drini | is there a list of "interesting" repositories like marillat that carry debs not on debians oficial tree? |
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| 23:04.49 | drini | say, for nonfree stuff, for very new stuff, (mostly for unstable branch) |
| 23:04.53 | britt | hello |
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| 23:04.58 | gsp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.06 | bob2 | god |
| 23:05.08 | jeff__ | eb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ testing main, deb-src http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ testing main, deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main, deb http://mirrors.publicshout.org/java-linux/debian/ unstable non-free |
| 23:05.11 | cliechti | gsp, goood password ;-) |
| 23:05.13 | bob2 | STOP BEING SO USELESS, EVERYONE, THANKS |
| 23:05.24 | gsp | thanks |
| 23:05.36 | gsp | it's pretty cheezy but it works for IRC nicks... |
| 23:05.39 | jeff__ | what do i need to add to get java package |
| 23:05.42 | bob2 | drini: apt-get.org |
| 23:05.44 | caphuso | bob2: don't try to shutdown #debian! |
| 23:05.52 | bob2 | !+find java-package |
| 23:05.54 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 23:06.02 | bob2 | caphuso: this is a new lw of stupidity |
| 23:06.04 | drini | still with java? |
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| 23:06.07 | bob2 | jeff__: there. it's in unstable. |
| 23:06.09 | fango | hi |
| 23:06.11 | bob2 | jeff__: if you use woody, you lose. |
| 23:06.14 | fango | i need help |
| 23:06.15 | drini | who's tryign to install java |
| 23:06.16 | rickdangerous | bob2, he only needs to add contrib |
| 23:06.20 | jeff__ | im not on woody |
| 23:06.33 | jeff__ | i used # sources.list generated by apt-spy v3.1 |
| 23:06.40 | bob2 | jeff__: add "contrib" after "testing main" on both those lines |
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| 23:06.45 | bob2 | jeff__: do not come back until you have done that |
| 23:06.49 | gsp | How do I link my DVD drive to /dvd? |
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| 23:06.53 | marcus__ | Hello.. How does one unload the GRUB bootloader from a system? |
| 23:06.55 | rickdangerous | jeff_ then apt-get update |
| 23:06.58 | bob2 | marcus__: you don't |
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| 23:06.58 | fango | somebody can help me? |
| 23:07.02 | gsp | it mounts as cdrom1 or something like that |
| 23:07.07 | bob2 | fango: stop being annoying and ask your question |
| 23:07.13 | marcus__ | Bob2: Seriously.. You can't? |
| 23:07.26 | bob2 | marcus__: "removing a bootloader" makes no sense |
| 23:07.33 | bob2 | marcus__: you can replace it with something else, of course |
| 23:07.35 | britt | Rez |
| 23:07.40 | jeff__ | on what lines |
| 23:07.44 | vpalle | is there a command for getting the current X server resolution? |
| 23:07.45 | marcus__ | Bob2.. Sense or not; how do you unload it? |
| 23:07.45 | bob2 | jeff__: dude |
| 23:07.49 | bob2 | jeff__: shut up and read |
| 23:07.52 | nvz | yeah, these ipods are pretty nice. though I found out if you try, you can lock up a kernel trying to get one to work. |
| 23:07.53 | bob2 | 09:06:41 bob2 | jeff__: add "contrib" after "testing main" on both those lines |
| 23:07.58 | g8se | I'm getting a lot of "failed to allocate an skb" messages in my kern.log. Has anyone else seen that? |
| 23:07.58 | bob2 | marcus__: you don't |
| 23:08.00 | fango | bob2...can you help me? |
| 23:08.02 | drini | marcus__: you can't "unload" it, perhaps you mean, rever it to the bootlader windows used? |
| 23:08.13 | bob2 | marcus__: explain what "removing it" would mean. do you mean "put the windows one back"? |
| 23:08.24 | bob2 | g8se: what kernel version? |
| 23:08.32 | bob2 | fango: you haven't asked a question, and you're being very very annoying |
| 23:08.46 | marcus__ | Drini: I'm trying to load Windows as a second OS, but everytime I try to install Windows, it invalidates GRUB and my system comes up blank. |
| 23:08.48 | fango | i'm sorry |
| 23:08.57 | jeff__ | no need to get like that. "on both of those lines" there are 4 lines |
| 23:09.03 | drini | wellm then you need to use a livecd or a rescue disk to boot |
| 23:09.04 | bob2 | jeff__: no, READ |
| 23:09.06 | marcus__ | Can't access Linux nor finish the Windows install. |
| 23:09.08 | drini | and then reinstall grub |
| 23:09.15 | bob2 | jeff__: how manyt lines include the text "testing main"? |
| 23:09.16 | qubit | I want to get a laptop to run as a dual-boot Win/Debian machine. I was looking at the Gateway 4530GZ and 4540GZ machines, but I wasn't sure if suspend/hibernate features were supported for that model. (I looked at linux-laptops.net, etc..). Does anyone know how well that model is supported? |
| 23:09.19 | bob2 | jeff__: only 2 |
| 23:09.22 | dpy | don't use grub |
| 23:09.23 | dpy | grub sucks |
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| 23:09.28 | g8se | bob2: 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 23:09.30 | bob2 | jeff__: so, guess which two you add " contrib" to? |
| 23:09.30 | drini | windows doens't like to be second, it's easier to first installl windows, and then outting linux |
| 23:09.35 | drini | putting I mean |
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| 23:09.42 | dpy | lilo roxxx |
| 23:09.44 | bob2 | qubit: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting |
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| 23:09.47 | marcus__ | Drini: Thats why I'm trying to do. |
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| 23:09.48 | bob2 | dpy: no one cares |
| 23:09.49 | britt | i like grub |
| 23:10.01 | dpy | bob2: I care |
| 23:10.10 | calin | drini: you can still recover your linux if you have a boot disk for it |
| 23:10.10 | qubit | bob2: thanks |
| 23:10.14 | bob2 | dpy: then /msg that to yourself over and over |
| 23:10.16 | lobezno | /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -lXxf86vm |
| 23:10.18 | marcus__ | Drini: But when I uninstall both systems, Windows can't finish the install. Just a blinking cursor comes up. |
| 23:10.19 | lobezno | not found |
| 23:10.24 | lobezno | what is lXxf86vm? |
| 23:10.27 | bob2 | qubit: suspend-to-disk should work on all machines, nowadays |
| 23:10.34 | bob2 | lobezno: install xlibs-dev |
| 23:10.41 | lobezno | ok |
| 23:10.48 | qubit | " Note that this is all highly experimental, so proceed with caution. It may eat your disks." |
| 23:10.49 | calin | drini: just boot off the disk then reinstall grub and then run fdisk to update the hard-drives boot association with the partition |
| 23:10.53 | bob2 | qubit: suspend-to-ram is machine-dependant, but works on a surprising number |
| 23:10.55 | qubit | uhhhhh.... |
| 23:10.58 | bob2 | qubit: "sync" before suspending |
| 23:10.58 | marcus__ | Drini: So I'm stuck without either OS. But Linux works, yet when I try to install Windows second, it disables GRUB and I get the blinking cursor. |
| 23:11.02 | dpy | cat `find /etc` | sed 's/grub/lilo/g' |
| 23:11.08 | drini | you install or uninstall ? |
| 23:11.13 | marcus__ | So with Windows, I can't install either os. |
| 23:11.14 | bob2 | marcus__: install windows first |
| 23:11.33 | drini | yes I know calinm I know , I'm trying to understand what he's doing |
| 23:11.33 | qubit | bob2: okay. I was looking at the 4530GZ ( |
| 23:11.37 | g8se | marcus__: then install windows first, but setup the partitions for it beforehand (so it doesn't use the whole disk) |
| 23:11.41 | Jerub | dpy: grub's config is in /boot/grub/... |
| 23:11.41 | qubit | $1049 at Best Buy) |
| 23:11.43 | calin | drini: k then |
| 23:11.43 | fango | i'm not speack english very well...i'm using jigdo to download a debian distribution...now, sometimes some files was not found...jigdo will download these files at the end of transfer or my debian iso image will be incomplete? |
| 23:11.45 | drini | first install windows, then install linux. period |
| 23:11.53 | bob2 | qubit: it works on modern dell laptops, too |
| 23:11.57 | marcus__ | Bob2: I uninstalled both OSes, but Windows can't finish the install. Once it gets out of the partioner, it doesn't load up the installer. |
| 23:12.01 | gsp | How do I link my DVD drive to /dvd? |
| 23:12.02 | gsp | it mounts as cdrom1 or something like that |
| 23:12.08 | drini | uninstall? |
| 23:12.11 | britt | drini: i agree |
| 23:12.12 | bob2 | fango: #debian-it might be a better place to ask |
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| 23:12.20 | marcus__ | I tried that.. I tried it both ways. 1st) Windows 2nd) Linux and the opposite. It doesn't load Windows. |
| 23:12.21 | bob2 | gsp: no need to repeat over and over |
| 23:12.23 | valdyn | fango: it will try again at end |
| 23:12.27 | marcus__ | It doesn't boot up into the second phase of the install. |
| 23:12.29 | fango | ok...thanks |
| 23:12.32 | fango | bye |
| 23:12.33 | bob2 | gsp: you haven't told anyone how it's getting mounted, or what version of Debian you're using |
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| 23:12.42 | drini | you don't need to "uninstall" anything |
| 23:12.46 | LeBear | holy crap! I got it towrk! hehehehhe |
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| 23:12.49 | marcus__ | So I'm assuming Windows is messing up GRUB somehow. |
| 23:12.49 | eka | hi all |
| 23:12.53 | qubit | bob2: I was also looking at a medium-weight laptop from emperor linux -- I really wanted to make sure that everything worked properly (however emperor linux laptops have a bit of a markup....and I'm trying to pay back college loans right now ;-) |
| 23:12.55 | eka | someone with vmware? |
| 23:12.56 | bob2 | marcus__: windows will destroy grub |
| 23:12.59 | drini | perhaps your grub is misconfigured |
| 23:12.59 | bob2 | marcus__: and any other bootloader |
| 23:13.01 | secher | what do I need to do to make this correct? ls | grep -v (1-9) |
| 23:13.04 | jeff__ | thx bob |
| 23:13.05 | jeff__ | :) |
| 23:13.06 | gsp | I'm using the "sarge" distribution |
| 23:13.06 | bob2 | qubit: hah |
| 23:13.11 | cliechti | marcel_, did you use the windows fdisk to partition and make the windows partition active? |
| 23:13.16 | sgeigerb` | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654 "Knoppix 3.8 and UnionFS. Wow. Just Wow." There you go, muthas. That's the future of computing for you, *AS PROMISED*. |
| 23:13.17 | peterS | secher: you probably mean '[1-9]' |
| 23:13.20 | marcus__ | Bob2: But after it destroys the bootloader, it still doesn't want to boot up into the second phase of the install. |
| 23:13.21 | deadcat | you guys having problem with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 23:13.26 | secher | peterS: Thanks! |
| 23:13.36 | bob2 | sgeigerb`: I belive you've pasted that link before, please stop it |
| 23:13.42 | marcus__ | I have seperate partitions and all that.. It still doesn't want to work. |
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| 23:13.49 | bob2 | deadcat: run "host ftp.us.debian.org" |
| 23:13.55 | sgeigerb` | bob2: That was only the second time, but I didn't get a rise the first time.... |
| 23:13.55 | qubit | bob2: do you have a laptop? && (what do you have?) |
| 23:13.56 | gsp | and I don't quite understand the rest of your question bob2 |
| 23:13.57 | marcus__ | It just loads up a blinking cursor. |
| 23:13.58 | marcus__ | Thats it. |
| 23:14.01 | sgeigerb` | bob2: Thank you for your response. |
| 23:14.02 | sgeigerb` | :-) |
| 23:14.04 | g8se | marcus__: maybe you need to make a grub boot floppy, then once windows has destroyed grub, use the floppy to boot into linux, and run grub-update (or just reinstall grub into the mbr/start of partition using the grun floppy) |
| 23:14.06 | bob2 | sgeigerb`: knoppix trolling -> knoppix |
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| 23:14.12 | bob2 | qubit: yes, ibm x40 |
| 23:14.12 | rickdangerous | sgeigerb`, eh? |
| 23:14.14 | deadcat | bob2: works. but apt-get update aint doing it |
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| 23:14.32 | bob2 | qubit: a bit pricey, but everything (aside from the SD slot) works under linux, including suspend-to-ram |
| 23:14.37 | bob2 | (and suspend-to-disk) |
| 23:14.40 | marcus__ | g8se: I thought about that.. But the problem is that I need Windows on my system, but for some odd reason, after I installed Linux, Windows won't boot into the second phase of the unstill. |
| 23:14.50 | marcus__ | Unstalling Linux doesn't help. |
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| 23:15.05 | bob2 | deadcat: I mean, "look, it resolves to 5 machines, it's unlikely to be a problem with all of them" ;) |
| 23:15.07 | sgeigerb` | rickdangerous: what's the question? |
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| 23:15.18 | g8se | marcus__: what I suggested did not involve uninstalling anything. Just laying down the grub boot loader into the appropriate parts of the disk |
| 23:15.19 | lobezno | Is posible to continue a crashed dpkg-buildpackage process in the part where was broken? |
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| 23:15.32 | marcus__ | g8se: and how will that help me install Windows? |
| 23:15.33 | jeff__ | what do i do with the java .bin |
| 23:15.34 | rickdangerous | sgeigerb`, is that message sarcastic? what's your point :) |
| 23:15.36 | bob2 | lobezno: sometimes |
| 23:15.43 | lobezno | bob2, how? |
| 23:15.44 | eka | i'm trying to run my windows partition under vmware under debian sarge but when try to boot inside vmware grubs gives an error Error 17 |
| 23:15.48 | bob2 | jeff__: so, you read the documentation that came with java-package? |
| 23:15.56 | bob2 | lobezno: run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
| 23:15.57 | g8se | marcus__: in fact, with a grub boot floppy you should be able to a) boot to linux b) boot to windows c) reinstall grub into the boot blocks of the harddrive. |
| 23:16.00 | green_earz | gsp: have a look at /etc/fstab you will need to edit it to add the /dvd as a mount point. |
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| 23:16.13 | bob2 | eka: er, you're not actually having windows write to your real disk, are you? |
| 23:16.13 | gsp | thanks green_earz |
| 23:16.13 | g8se | marcus__: may be a good way of narrowing down what is causing the problems |
| 23:16.14 | malex | Hi, I've been trawling through the cups documentation and linuxprinting.org database but haven't found what device (lpd, ipp) and more importantly what queue (like lpd://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/raw that I use for a LaserJet 4000) I must use for a HP Color LaserJet 2500c. |
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| 23:16.29 | marcus__ | g8se: Alright.. Where can I get an image for a boot floppy? |
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| 23:16.39 | marcus__ | I don't have a floppy drive on this computer. |
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| 23:16.46 | eka | bob2: what? |
| 23:16.50 | marcus__ | So I would need to use a CD. |
| 23:17.09 | eka | bob2: i'm using raw disk no virtual |
| 23:17.11 | secher | Ok, I have to ask, how do I view all devices the system recognizes on scsi busses? i.e., how do I see all of the scsi devices available? |
| 23:17.14 | lobezno | bob2, that doesnt work, dpkg-buildpackage works |
| 23:17.14 | green_earz | gsp: or make the /dvd a ln -s to the /cdrom dir |
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| 23:17.21 | bob2 | eka: wow, you're brave |
| 23:17.25 | sgeigerb` | rickdangerous: My contention has been that computing will become a much simpler thing in the future, as software will become encapsulated in ways (liveCDs being the way this is done today) so that people don't have to think about installing an operating system and installing a lot of software. It will just work like a utility. |
| 23:17.25 | bob2 | lobezno: AWESOME |
| 23:17.27 | jeff__ | yes |
| 23:17.31 | marcus__ | g8se: So its not possible to manually unload the bootloader? |
| 23:17.34 | popeye | ok rucas i'm ready |
| 23:17.38 | popeye | have at it |
| 23:17.39 | g8se | marcus__: no floppy drive, that creates a problem. I've not setup a grub booting floppy. If you had a grub floppy image, I believe you could use that to create a booting CD |
| 23:17.44 | eka | bob2: why? its possible |
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| 23:18.19 | alindeman | Got um |
| 23:18.27 | bob2 | thanks! |
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| 23:18.35 | jeff__ | what was it |
| 23:18.36 | calin | wtf |
| 23:18.37 | zinx | so like, is this a daily thing now? |
| 23:18.38 | LeBear | They sure showed us. |
| 23:18.40 | jeff__ | dpkg-make |
| 23:18.42 | jeff__ | ? |
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| 23:18.45 | eka | what hapen |
| 23:18.46 | marcus__ | g8se: Would it be possible, either way, for me to uninstall the GRUB bootloader from my system? I have a feeling Windows is butting heads with the loadre. |
| 23:18.48 | eka | bob2: but grub has problems inside vmware |
| 23:18.48 | bob2 | zinx: come utter fucktard got offended by someone here |
| 23:18.53 | secher | ls |
| 23:18.55 | zinx | bob2: ah |
| 23:18.58 | bob2 | eka: sounds like a vmware bug |
| 23:18.59 | secher | ahah.. much better. |
| 23:19.03 | eka | bob2: the partitions boot normally |
| 23:19.07 | drini | banning *!*~????????@203.76 and the like would certainly help |
| 23:19.11 | RedPenguin | What is generally meant by Sound: DMA (output) timed out IRQ/DMQ config error? - I tried putting in the IRQ that my system said it was but no luck |
| 23:19.11 | bob2 | zinx: so his pathetic little ego demands he be a fucktard |
| 23:19.13 | LeBear | They gave us the gift of numbers! we should be grateful. Where would we be without numbers? |
| 23:19.17 | ledet | jeff: eka: some retards wanted to flood the channel with junk data |
| 23:19.17 | cliechti | malex, a jetdirect ethernet interface or how is the printer connected? |
| 23:19.22 | marcus__ | g8se: I can always reinstall GRUB later from my CD. But I need to troubleshoot |
| 23:19.28 | streuner | zinx: i wondered why some ops still have their rights the last days... |
| 23:19.31 | eka | ledet: what for? |
| 23:19.32 | g8se | marcus__: you can use something like the windows/dos fdisk to reinstall the windows/dos bootloader. |
| 23:19.38 | *** mode/#Debian [-i] by debhelper |
| 23:19.43 | RedPenguin | Isn't it IRQ=11 when it asks you if you have any mod info before you install the module? |
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| 23:19.51 | marcus__ | g8se: But there isn't a way to remove the bootloader from within Linux? |
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| 23:19.57 | ledet | eka: theyre retarded... they think they can get revenge for something or whatever by flooding |
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| 23:20.14 | jeff__ | bob how do you turn the bin into a deb |
| 23:20.20 | LeBear | they have a really small weewee. |
| 23:20.23 | malex | cliechti: It is on the network. I was able to connect to it through the lpd://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/raw queue, but the test page came out pretty mangled. |
| 23:20.32 | g8se | marcus__: the bootloader is binary program code that has been placed into the booting section of the hard disk. Unless you happened to backup those blocks, you can't restore them to how they were. |
| 23:20.37 | ledet | LeBear: but they like to suck others' |
| 23:20.49 | malex | cliechti: I guess we can assume that it's the JetDirect Ethernet interface. |
| 23:20.54 | bob2 | jeff__: there's NO documentation at all? |
| 23:20.57 | cliechti | malex, i have a laserjet under such an URL socket://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9100 |
| 23:20.58 | jeff__ | no |
| 23:21.01 | g8se | marcus__: your only option (if you didn't back them up) is to overwrite them with other binary program code to use to boot with. |
| 23:21.02 | jeff__ | ther isnt |
| 23:21.12 | bob2 | jeff__: you installed the java-package package, and it didn't put ANY files in /usr/share/doc/java-package/? |
| 23:21.19 | bob2 | !+find doc/java-package |
| 23:21.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 23:21.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'doc/java-package' (1): (/usr/share/doc/java-package/{README.Debian|SUPPORTED|changelog.gz|...}) in contrib/misc/java-package. |
| 23:21.45 | g8se | marcus__: the bootloader isn't like a normal debian package that you can just remove with 'apt-get remove package'. |
| 23:21.47 | bob2 | jeff__: wow |
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| 23:22.00 | bob2 | jeff__: I guess the bot must be broken, since it seems to think there's documentation |
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| 23:22.05 | marcus__ | Is there a way to override it then? |
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| 23:22.09 | InKubus | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=Rights+for+16+year+olds&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB |
| 23:22.11 | malex | cliechti: trying socket:// right now. |
| 23:22.12 | InKubus | check the advert on the right |
| 23:22.15 | jeff__ | the moral of the story |
| 23:22.23 | marcus__ | g8se: I'm about ready to throw my notebook through a window.. |
| 23:22.28 | eka | !vmware |
| 23:22.28 | dpkg | well, vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware |
| 23:22.29 | g8se | marcus__: yes. overwrite it with a new bootloader. |
| 23:22.35 | jeff__ | it says nothing about changing bin to deb |
| 23:22.37 | secher | Ok, I need to find out the bus, channes and ID number of a scanner I just hooked up to my system. How do I do that? |
| 23:22.42 | LeBear | Woot! |
| 23:22.44 | streuner | marcus__: sent it to me! ;-) |
| 23:22.44 | marcus__ | g8se: Would LILO do any better? |
| 23:22.45 | secher | s/channes/channel/g |
| 23:22.47 | britt | marcus__: give it to me man |
| 23:22.50 | LeBear | I can ping from the UML to my real box. heheh this rocks :) |
| 23:22.57 | marcus__ | Britt, Streuner: No.. But I |
| 23:22.58 | marcus__ | I |
| 23:23.00 | qubit | bob2: yeah, I was looking at thinkpads/VAIOs from emperor linux. But....they're like 2500...4500...and up. I could get a Gateway AND a Dell for that money. And still have enough money left over for a month or two of rent .. :^) |
| 23:23.02 | marcus__ | I'll make sure to post pictures. |
| 23:23.03 | jeff__ | nevermind |
| 23:23.15 | g8se | marcus__: If currectly configured both lilo and grub can boot windows and linux |
| 23:23.16 | prodope | how do i allow cgi scripts anywhere in /var/www to run? (apache 1.3.26 woody) |
| 23:23.21 | britt | marcus__: i dont want pictures i just need money |
| 23:23.25 | green_earz | InKubus: haa times are changing |
| 23:23.26 | malex | cliechti: Nope, on socket:// it spat out some empty pages and raw postscript. |
| 23:23.31 | bob2 | qubit: don't get it from emporeror linux |
| 23:23.31 | g8se | marcus__: Is this a new or old laptop? |
| 23:23.39 | InKubus | hehe |
| 23:23.45 | marcus__ | g8se: Old in the sense that I've had it for three months. |
| 23:23.57 | bob2 | qubit: if a dell laptop is in your range, look at the x300 (iirc), rather small, good linux support |
| 23:23.58 | qubit | bob2: someone suggested that I try to figure out what models they used, and then get those models elsewhere |
| 23:24.00 | Jerub | qubit: get a powerbook |
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| 23:24.12 | bob2 | qubit: hm, I wouldn't even care that much |
| 23:24.12 | marcus__ | g8se: Hard drive is brand new though. |
| 23:24.13 | g8se | So no one knows about the 'failed to allocate an skb' messages I'm getting in my logs, under 2.6.8-2-686-smp? |
| 23:24.15 | britt | Jerub: damn right |
| 23:24.17 | cliechti | malex, your printer does not have PS? then you need to send the output trough a filter first to reder it as PCL |
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| 23:24.23 | eka | !vmware |
| 23:24.23 | dpkg | methinks vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware |
| 23:24.32 | bob2 | qubit: just look up the laptop on linux-laptops.net and buy it from somewhere you find on froogle.google.com |
| 23:24.35 | bob2 | eka: stop it |
| 23:24.39 | bob2 | eka: go to #vmware |
| 23:24.44 | qubit | Jerub: I'd do that, except that my work is currently using windows-only code |
| 23:24.49 | cliechti | malex, i'd use a cups config prog (i used the gnome frontend, kde has its own) |
| 23:24.49 | bob2 | g8se: it's either out-of-memory or a kernel bug, I don't know which |
| 23:24.59 | bob2 | g8se: try asking on the debian-kernel@lists.debian.org list |
| 23:25.06 | Jerub | qubit: cross compile with mingw and wine :) |
| 23:25.08 | g8se | bob2: Excellent, thanks, will do that. |
| 23:25.12 | eka | i just wanted to see the url |
| 23:25.17 | qubit | Jerub: uhhh. maybe not |
| 23:25.19 | eka | i'm there already |
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| 23:25.38 | marcus__ | g8se: Is there a way to resume the second install phase of Windows after it doesn't boot up the first time then? |
| 23:25.51 | britt | marcus__: just start over |
| 23:26.03 | marcus__ | Britt: What if you can't? |
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| 23:26.10 | britt | why couldnt you |
| 23:26.17 | qubit | Jerub: we have a cross-platform multimedia tool that uses wxWidgets, FreeType, PLT Scheme, etc... It's just that our current project has quake2 hacked in. And...uhh.. well, the grick that holds quake2 and our tool together was only done for Windows. |
| 23:26.36 | marcus__ | Resume the bloody thing at a later time.. |
| 23:26.37 | qubit | Jerub: Kind of unfortunate... ;-) |
| 23:26.38 | marcus__ | Grr.. |
| 23:26.39 | marcus__ | Damn it. |
| 23:26.46 | Jerub | qubit: that's amazing. |
| 23:26.55 | malex | cliechti: I use cups config, but it does not suggest what queue a printer accepts. |
| 23:26.58 | britt | marcus__: dude, pop in the CD, and go to the repair thingy |
| 23:27.07 | britt | marcus__: use FIXMBR |
| 23:27.13 | britt | and it shoudl boot fien |
| 23:27.14 | marcus__ | Britt: You can reinstall the whole system under that? |
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| 23:27.40 | marcus__ | Britt: I mean.. The system just partioned a disk, and then after it copies some files over, when it reboots, it doesn't boot back up. |
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| 23:27.57 | britt | what else is on the system |
| 23:28.00 | qubit | Jerub: yeah, it's actually pretty cool. We're going to GPL it ReallySoon(tm). We have a beta of our current project next week, so maybe after that's done we can get a first release done by mid-April or so |
| 23:28.06 | prodope | how do i allow cgi scripts anywhere in /var/www to run? (apache 1.3.26 woody) |
| 23:28.14 | britt | you didnt F with it between the first boot and the second boot |
| 23:28.17 | Jerub | prodope: #apache |
| 23:28.37 | qubit | Jerub: and our next project is not going to use the Quake2 extras, so it should be fully portable, etc.. |
| 23:29.00 | Jerub | qubit: quake2 runs on linux, but I'm guessing the way it's integrated is non-portable. |
| 23:29.34 | britt | marcus__: you didnt F with it between the first boot and the second boot |
| 23:29.53 | britt | marcus__ did you? |
| 23:30.06 | stew | LeBear: 172.15 |
| 23:30.15 | Jerub | Quozl: /part |
| 23:30.16 | marcus__ | Nop |
| 23:30.17 | marcus__ | No |
| 23:30.17 | Jerub | sorry. |
| 23:30.19 | marcus__ | It was clean |
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| 23:30.19 | directhex | dpkg, vmware is also vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily |
| 23:30.20 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 23:30.26 | LeBear | stew: lagged? |
| 23:30.31 | marcus__ | All I got when it tried to reboot, was a blinking cursor. |
| 23:30.32 | marcus__ | Thats it. |
| 23:30.41 | cliechti | malex, well, HP printers usualy work well if you send them PCL. |
| 23:30.46 | marcus__ | Didn't have this problem before I installed Linux. |
| 23:30.52 | zinx | there's a site with unofficial patches to make vmware support newer kernels |
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| 23:30.56 | zinx | even older vmware |
| 23:30.58 | stew | LeBear: uhhh, aparantly irssi froze up on me |
| 23:30.59 | marcus__ | Most logical conclusion was that it was the bootloader. |
| 23:31.01 | britt | marcus__ so why in the hell wont it boot the kernel.....did the cursor look dos or kinda rendered |
| 23:31.04 | qubit | Jerub: yeah. I asked our lead programmer about it, and he kinda looked at me and said that it would be a LOT of work to make it run on linux, osx, etc.. |
| 23:31.14 | marcus__ | What else could be messing with the system if the rest of the drive was clean? |
| 23:31.35 | marcus__ | Britt: Rendered. Its the same cursor that comes up when my comptuer boots without a OS. |
| 23:31.51 | britt | marcus__ i mean it could be the memory or BIOS settings man....usually is the memory |
| 23:32.11 | marcus__ | This wasn't happening before I installed Linux though. |
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| 23:32.17 | britt | marcus__ do you have a windows XP cd |
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| 23:32.22 | qubit | Jerub: You know what's funny? I've googled a few pieces of hardware like "dell x300" in the past couple of days and the first hit has often been about linux. |
| 23:32.26 | marcus__ | I've done three or four clean installs of Windows using this same equipment. |
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| 23:32.29 | marcus__ | Yes Britt. |
| 23:32.30 | marcus__ | I do. |
| 23:32.45 | Thaiger | How do I format a partition to Fat32 in linux? |
| 23:32.46 | marcus__ | Its the one I install from. |
| 23:32.51 | gsp | ok... I think I know what I need to ask now... |
| 23:32.55 | cliechti | Thaiger, mkfs.vfat |
| 23:32.56 | bghfhfg | In dosemu, drive C: (a folder on my main drive) is listed as a network drive when I try to install an old DOS game. How do I fix this? |
| 23:33.06 | gsp | all of the DVD software is looking for my drive on /dev/dvd |
| 23:33.13 | britt | marcus__ do the FIXBOOT and FIXMBR and you shoudl be fine....at least try it |
| 23:33.13 | gsp | but it is on /dev/hda |
| 23:33.14 | RedPenguin | If I want to change what IRQ a module uses, don't I put in IRQ=whatever in extra argurments before it installs? |
| 23:33.16 | cliechti | Thaiger, but you need to add an option to make it generate fat32 instead of fat16 |
| 23:33.18 | gsp | is there a way to fix this? |
| 23:33.28 | valdyn | bghfhfg: tried dosbox yet? |
| 23:33.31 | qubit | Jerub: I guess that more people write pages about hardware running linux? (or some devious person at Google has bumped the algorithm a bit in favor of linux :^) |
| 23:33.34 | malex | cliechti: I found the manual and it supports "PCL3e" only. What does that mean for the cups setup? |
| 23:33.34 | marcus__ | Alright.. I will. |
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| 23:33.45 | bghfhfg | valdyn: No, does it work better? |
| 23:33.55 | cliechti | gsp, ln -s like someone else was sugesting a few minutes ago |
| 23:34.02 | britt | marcus__ if you need and would like, i could msg my email addy for you |
| 23:34.05 | gsp | ls -s? |
| 23:34.07 | Thaiger | cliechti: Thanks |
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| 23:34.17 | Overand | does having a background image in konsole degrade performance? |
| 23:34.18 | marcus__ | It would be appreciated. |
| 23:34.28 | gsp | In -s? |
| 23:34.28 | cliechti | gsp, make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/cdrom |
| 23:34.41 | gsp | ok... what is the whole command? |
| 23:35.17 | cliechti | gsp, ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd |
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| 23:36.16 | LeBear | Question.. I have a loop image that I can mount and go into.. but I want to make it bigger. I get a "No space left on device" error when I try to expand a tar.gz file. Is there a way? |
| 23:36.21 | DaCa | Overand: it probably only consumes some more memory |
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| 23:36.33 | cliechti | malex, that means that a program like gs needs to convert ps to pcl before sending it to the printer, dont know how to tell that cups, last time i set up that was with lprng |
| 23:36.44 | gsp | thank you |
| 23:36.53 | sgeigerb` | !abrotman is also "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 23:36.54 | dpkg | sgeigerb`: okay |
| 23:37.07 | stew | LeBear: create a bigger one, then copy files from one to the other |
| 23:37.20 | LeBear | hrm... damn |
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| 23:39.28 | Bradman | is time() implode of days/hours/mins/secs |
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| 23:39.41 | Bradman | or is it just an implode of just seconds |
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| 23:39.53 | RedPenguin | Is something really wacky with my system? IRQ 7 is the floppy controller, but my Sound Card is trying to use IRQ 7 |
| 23:40.03 | simonrvn | my guess would be seconds since epoch. but i'm no C coder |
| 23:40.33 | Bradman | hmm...I wonder why its seconds on php and days on unix |
| 23:41.06 | RedPenguin | Oh wait, 6 is Floppy |
| 23:41.10 | simonrvn | oh. yeh, shadow dates are in days |
| 23:41.12 | lobezno | bob2, can I make you a private? |
| 23:41.28 | RedPenguin | 7 is parallel port |
| 23:41.30 | Bradman | I tried round(time()/(60*60*24),2) |
| 23:41.40 | LeBear | bob2: you gonna join the army? |
| 23:41.40 | bob2 | lobezno: will you give me money? |
| 23:41.53 | REdz | how do i make gnome-terminal stay with the menubar turned off |
| 23:42.03 | lobezno | bob2, no, but I need help and to paste some lines |
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| 23:42.12 | bob2 | LeBear: hll no |
| 23:42.15 | bob2 | lobezno: I'm about to head out, sorry |
| 23:42.18 | simonrvn | @tell Sero -about root |
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| 23:42.23 | bob2 | time to beat my visa up on pitt street |
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| 23:43.03 | Bradman | Can anyone tell me if it has been 12859 days since epoch? |
| 23:43.41 | pattieja | has anyone experienced problems with Samba printing using CUPS as the backend where sending jobs requesting multiple copies only prints one copy, not the number of copies requested? |
| 23:44.01 | sparr_ | What is wrong with the ident server at 68.112.68.255? |
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| 23:44.12 | pattieja | in fact, OpenOffice printing from Linux to the same CUPS server directly, not through Samba, also only prints a single copy of a document |
| 23:44.17 | Nitsua | Ok, can someone tell me how to change my resolution? |
| 23:44.21 | pattieja | so, it may be an issue with CUPS |
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| 23:44.32 | pattieja | Nitsua, X, KDE, etc.? |
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| 23:44.47 | cliechti | sparr, why d you think something is wrong with it? do other servers on that box run well? |
| 23:44.59 | Nitsua | pattieja: X |
| 23:45.01 | valdyn | Bradman: 12859/35 |
| 23:45.02 | PerfDave | Nitsua: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, restart x |
| 23:45.13 | Bradman | Thank you sooo much valdyn |
| 23:45.20 | Bradman | ..means my php script works... |
| 23:45.25 | simonrvn | Bradman: man date, man 3 time methinks |
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| 23:45.52 | LeBear | is there a TERM setting that you can use with xterm and get colour or is it strictly black and white? |
| 23:46.14 | cliechti | xterm-color |
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| 23:46.47 | LeBear | hrmm.. can't find that terminal.. |
| 23:47.01 | drini | there are switches for xterm, read the man for xterm |
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| 23:47.26 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: /etc/terminfo/x |
| 23:47.54 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: that means export TERM=xterm-color works |
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| 23:48.09 | LeBear | well. It doesn't on this system. |
| 23:48.28 | LeBear | no probs, I can live with black and white. it's not that big a deal.. |
| 23:48.30 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: it does here. Are you sure you're running vanilla Debian? |
| 23:48.55 | LeBear | it's not a vanilla debian, no. which is why I'm not complaining.. |
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| 23:49.34 | cliechti | isnt the terminfo database a separate package? |
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| 23:50.30 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: then go to the channel of the distro you're running. |
| 23:50.42 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 23:50.58 | LeBear | No need to make a big issue out of it. I asked, you answered, matter solved. |
| 23:51.00 | secher | in what package are the scsitools? |
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| 23:51.16 | Valdez | There once was this site where you could order a free chart over the whole OSI model. But now I can't find it through google or anything. Anyone that knows what im talking about? :) |
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| 23:51.55 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 23:52.06 | LeBear | besides.. it's not a distro. it's a minimal root_fs that was based on debian and built off uclibc. |
| 23:52.35 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: if it's generic you should go to ##linux or #linuxhelp |
| 23:52.40 | solemnwarning | whats the command for apt-get to download apps but not download stuff that conflicts |
| 23:52.42 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 23:52.46 | secher | Valdez: Yes, I recall.. I ordered about 10 for my department, years ago. It was a magazine, maybe High Performance Computing or Sysadmin, I forget. |
| 23:53.04 | MobyTurbo | solemnwarning: it does that automatically |
| 23:53.09 | solemnwarning | not |
| 23:53.09 | stouset | solemnwarning: apt won't install conflicting packages... |
| 23:53.20 | secher | It broke down all of the networking protocols in reference to teh OSI model. |
| 23:53.23 | solemnwarning | Conflicts: apache2-mpm-worker but 2.0.53-5 is to be installed |
| 23:53.23 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:53.34 | solemnwarning | i have a big list of them |
| 23:53.54 | MobyTurbo | solemnwarning: then you're apt database is likely broken |
| 23:54.09 | solemnwarning | apt-get install apache2 php4 apache-ssl apache-perl apache* |
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| 23:54.39 | solemnwarning | ive updated db |
| 23:54.40 | MobyTurbo | solemnwarning: well, if you use wildcards maybe you get that. |
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| 23:54.56 | cliechti | solemnwarning, mixing stable and sid? |
| 23:55.03 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 23:55.20 | solemnwarning | why is debian so hard?? |
| 23:55.30 | MobyTurbo | !sid |
| 23:55.30 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 23:56.25 | MobyTurbo | solemnwarning: like most powerful computer systems, Debian does exactly what you tell it to. |
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| 23:56.30 | pandom | and how to make gcc4 the default gcc? |
| 23:56.48 | caphuso | pandom: if you have to ask that question, YOU FUCKING DON'T |
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| 23:57.20 | pandom | README and ? don't tell me what A means? |
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| 23:57.35 | MobyTurbo | pandom: gcc4 isn't in unstable (sid), if you want to use a broken beta version of gcc then use gentoo or some other bleeding edge (with emphasis on the word bleeding) |
| 23:57.37 | pandom | and how to make gcc4 the default gcc? just relink? or some tool? |
| 23:57.57 | Guerin | if you want to use gcc4, then you already know how to build it from source |
| 23:58.02 | cliechti | update-alternative i think, but i would change the default gcc... |
| 23:58.04 | MobyTurbo | pandom: if you don't know that you don't want to use a beta gcc. |
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| 23:58.13 | Guerin | if you have to ask, you're not qualified to use it |
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| 23:58.57 | MobyTurbo | besides, gcc4 isn't in Debian so I don't see the relevance for this channel. |
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| 23:59.03 | pandom | I use some other deb source, so I get gcc 2.9 3.3 and 4.4 all installed MobyTurbo |
| 23:59.14 | Guerin | you lie |
| 23:59.18 | caphuso | 4.4? muahaha |
| 23:59.29 | MobyTurbo | there is no 4.4 |
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| 23:59.39 | MobyTurbo | there is 3.4, and that's in Debian |
| 23:59.40 | Guerin | hey, can I borrow your time machine? |
| 23:59.42 | caphuso | you know, i invented a working perputuum mobile. really. |
| 23:59.51 | Guerin | I want to go see if I'm going to be rich and famous one day |
