| 00:00.03 | caphuso | Guerin: you don't |
| 00:00.20 | pandom | gcc 4.3.3.5-1 |
| 00:00.26 | Guerin | because if I knew it would ... irrevocably change the course of history! |
| 00:00.41 | MobyTurbo | pandom: you must be dyslexic |
| 00:01.00 | Valdez | secher: thanks |
| 00:01.19 | stew | pandom: s/\./:/ |
| 00:01.35 | stew | pandom: : is much different than . in debian version numbers |
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| 00:01.56 | Guerin | whoo, have the "is kde3.4 in teh sarge yet??!!?" questions started? |
| 00:02.05 | MobyTurbo | pandom: I have 3.4.3-12, from yesterday's sid. (I use 3.3 as the default) |
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| 00:02.35 | xnotte | anyone can tell me a good webmail domain ? gmail.com doesnt count |
| 00:02.47 | PerfDave | xnotte: http://www.squirrelmail.org/ :) |
| 00:02.48 | Guerin | xnotte: gmx.net |
| 00:02.56 | timecop | roar |
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| 00:03.23 | cafuego | gmx suck |
| 00:03.45 | Guerin | i said good, not great |
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| 00:03.57 | Guerin | as webmail goes, they're less shit than most |
| 00:04.01 | cafuego | pandom: You don't want gcc4 to be the default. |
| 00:04.02 | xnotte | oh ! so tell me a great ? :D |
| 00:04.04 | MobyTurbo | gmail is good, but I still prefer a mail client |
| 00:04.13 | Guerin | xnotte: there is none |
| 00:04.17 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: gmail works fine with pop3 tho |
| 00:04.22 | Guerin | not free anyway, unless you host and run your own |
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| 00:04.54 | xnotte | i only want one with a easy .domain, but i don't want one hotmail :P |
| 00:04.54 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yeah, but my dial-up ISP probably blocks 3rd party SMTP making that useless. |
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| 00:05.25 | MobyTurbo | well, semi-useless |
| 00:05.38 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: telnet smtp.gmail.com ssmtp -> Connected to smtp.gmail.com. |
| 00:06.06 | pandom | stew, sorry, yeah, it's :, what it means? |
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| 00:06.47 | tombs | hi |
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| 00:07.32 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: I got connected, without a banner though. That might be normal for ssl over telnet? :-) |
| 00:07.53 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Yes, it'll want ssl before a banner on that port. |
| 00:08.06 | hogmeat | now that i have 2 network cards in my system, the routing tables has two global search destinations. how can i set one eth device as the external interface? |
| 00:08.15 | pandom | README and \? don't tell me what A means? |
| 00:08.18 | pandom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.33 | Guerin | pandom: it means A time to RTFM |
| 00:08.46 | pandom | README and \? don't tell me what A means? Guerin |
| 00:09.01 | Guerin | !nonsense pandom |
| 00:09.04 | dpkg | pandom: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 00:09.04 | pandom | /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README Guerin |
| 00:09.29 | cliechti | thats a readme, not a manual |
| 00:09.31 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: my mailing lists and friends/relatives talk to me on my ISP addy, so I guess I won't make the switch. Nice to know my ISP doesn't block it though, unlike my previous ISP. |
| 00:09.32 | LeBear | ugh. uml is killing my box with load :/ |
| 00:10.12 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: my previous ISP blocked outbound SMTP and didn't offer any POP/SMTP services of it's own. Sucked. |
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| 00:10.43 | Guerin | i refuse to use ispmail |
| 00:10.58 | genix | Guerin, bitlbee rocks =), will ICQ buddies that I add in bitlbee be stored in the ICQ server-side contact lists? |
| 00:10.59 | Guerin | then again, I've been pretty mobile these last few years |
| 00:11.04 | sparr_ | i need an identd that can be set to always return a specified username, suggestions? |
| 00:11.23 | genix | Guerin, So I can use them from icq2go etc |
| 00:11.26 | Guerin | genix: yes, current versions do server-side buddy lists |
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| 00:11.30 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I chose an ISP that is accessable all over the US. |
| 00:11.43 | pandom | how to remove gcc-2.9? |
| 00:11.45 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: what happens if you leave the US? |
| 00:11.52 | genix | Guerin, It's a really cool ideá |
| 00:11.52 | Guerin | pandom: don't |
| 00:11.52 | hogmeat | with the kernel 2.6, where do i specify kernel modules to load? |
| 00:11.56 | pandom | i got A when I _ |
| 00:12.01 | Guerin | hogmeat: /etc/modules |
| 00:12.03 | pandom | Guerin, why |
| 00:12.09 | hogmeat | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:12.10 | cafuego | pandom: Why are you hell-bent on breaking your system? |
| 00:12.11 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 00:12.28 | green_earz | hogmeat: or use modconf to load drivers |
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| 00:12.49 | pandom | how to remove gcc-2.9? since i have gcc-3.4, i want to remove gcc-2.9 |
| 00:13.03 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: then people will get inconvienienced, if I move out of the country that would be expected anyway. |
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| 00:13.11 | cafuego | pandom: Which part of "don't" was unclear? |
| 00:13.20 | genix | I looking a good Live CD , which should I pick |
| 00:13.28 | pureone | kanotix!!! |
| 00:13.34 | cafuego | genix: Dunno, there is no debian livecd. |
| 00:13.44 | pandom | or what deppend on gcc-2.9? |
| 00:13.52 | pureone | kanotix is near enough debian live |
| 00:14.23 | cafuego | pureone: Last I checked it wasn't debian. |
| 00:14.39 | pureone | its debian sid |
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| 00:14.51 | pandom | what the f*ck depends on gcc 2.9? |
| 00:15.00 | simonrvn | kanotix is not debian |
| 00:15.02 | cafuego | !nondeb Kanotix |
| 00:15.03 | dpkg | Go to channel #Kanotix for help with Kanotix. If Kanotix were Debian, it would be called Debian and not Kanotix. |
| 00:15.06 | simonrvn | pandom: redhat crap |
| 00:15.06 | pandom | i only see g++ |
| 00:15.08 | cliechti | that the bad part about it... all new newbies installing that one... |
| 00:15.11 | pureone | lol |
| 00:15.15 | MobyTurbo | pandom: if you can't remove it with the package manager, something depends on it. |
| 00:15.18 | cafuego | pureone: Capiche? |
| 00:15.21 | pandom | simonrvn, i'm on debian, why redhat? |
| 00:15.30 | flask- | I have a couple quick newbie debian questions, would appreciate someone's help. the version of openssh currently installed on my new debian/woody box is OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody., which seems old. however if i run an 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get -s -u install ssh' it says the newest is already installed. is Debian just backporting the security fixes or something? |
| 00:15.31 | simonrvn | pandom: long story |
| 00:15.45 | caphuso | flask-: yes, it is |
| 00:15.46 | pandom | simonrvn, tell me |
| 00:15.54 | pandom | MobyTurbo, btw, what state A means? |
| 00:16.15 | MobyTurbo | pandom: I don't know. Read the manual. |
| 00:16.23 | simonrvn | flask-: yes |
| 00:16.25 | genix | cafuego, can you recommend some Live CD at all, not Debian specific? |
| 00:16.28 | pandom | MobyTurbo, k |
| 00:16.30 | flask- | caphuso: so similarly, the latest apache version is coming back as 1.3.26, while the official releases are up to 1.3.33. what are my options if i want to run the latest release, instead of just a release-engineered version? |
| 00:16.36 | Henning | I checked the README for pandom as well, doesn't mention state "A". |
| 00:16.42 | caphuso | flask-: compile yourself |
| 00:16.55 | pureone | http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 00:17.05 | MobyTurbo | when did this become the font of wisdom for other distros? |
| 00:17.06 | phogg | flask-: get it from sarge |
| 00:17.11 | roo9 | does anyone know what it means when lilo only prints out LI and then the computer locks up? |
| 00:17.46 | MobyTurbo | roo9: lilo is broken, boot into Debian from a rescue disk or CD and re-run lilo. |
| 00:17.50 | cliechti | roo9, its broken. boot with a rescue disk and reinstall lilo |
| 00:17.54 | flask- | phogg: would it be considered unwise to attempt to upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 00:18.03 | hacim | roo9: check the LILO docuemtnation, it discusses exactly what it means |
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| 00:18.06 | phogg | flask-: depends on how good you are |
| 00:18.12 | FarrisG | If you have a lot of users, and you delete one (let's say uid=1030, with the highest console user having uid=1050), how do you keep adduser from creating the NEXT user with uid=1030, instead using uid=1051? |
| 00:18.23 | flask- | phogg: quite good in general, total noob at debian |
| 00:18.27 | cafuego | genix: No, I can't. |
| 00:18.41 | phogg | flask-: if there are no problems, it's not hard. If there are problems, it may be hard. If it's hard, it may be unwise. Depends on who you are and how important the achine is. |
| 00:18.55 | pandom | what is gcc 4:3? |
| 00:18.59 | green_earz | flask-: would be better of starting from debian sarge. its got the new installer. here a link for current net installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050314/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:19.07 | roo9 | MobyTurbo, cliechti: the system is up now, using a rescue disk, re-running lilo has not helped |
| 00:19.09 | pandom | what is gcc 4:3? it shouldn't be 4.3? |
| 00:19.17 | phogg | flask-: can you resolve broken depends by hand? If no, do not attempt major upgrades on production machines. |
| 00:19.17 | MobyTurbo | flask-: use vipw to change it, though I don't reccomend that unless you know what you're doing. |
| 00:19.20 | roo9 | hacim: do you have a url for that? googling does not seem to find anything... |
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| 00:19.25 | flask- | green_ears: not an option; box is at a managed facility, preinstalled w/ woody. |
| 00:19.35 | MobyTurbo | roo9: then maybe /etc/lilo.conf has something wrong with it. |
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| 00:19.57 | green_earz | flask-: or upgrade to sarge |
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| 00:20.17 | MobyTurbo | oops, meant that bit about vipw for FarrisG |
| 00:20.24 | roo9 | MobyTurbo: that was the first thing i thought, but i just reinstalled here, and i copied over my old lilo.conf ... still causes the same problem :-( |
| 00:20.38 | roo9 | MobyTurbo: and that lilo.conf was def working |
| 00:20.48 | pandom | stew, what is gcc 4:3? it shouldn't be 4.3? |
| 00:21.00 | MobyTurbo | roo9: if you've gotten a kernel that uses initrd then using the old lilo.conf is not what you want to do. |
| 00:21.03 | flask- | phogg: so my other option is to install sarge packages on woody? |
| 00:21.09 | roo9 | MobyTurbo: i am not using initrd. |
| 00:21.10 | dondelelcaro | pandom: the 4 is an epoch. |
| 00:21.14 | flask- | phogg (or compile from src) |
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| 00:21.41 | phogg | flask-: those are your options, yes |
| 00:21.51 | MobyTurbo | roo9: maybe you should try grub, it's more foolproof. |
| 00:21.55 | flask- | phogg: what is the advisability of installing sarge packages on woody? |
| 00:22.11 | flask- | phogg: assuming this is a VERY important machine |
| 00:22.14 | roo9 | MobyTurbo: probably |
| 00:22.15 | dondelelcaro | do not install sarge packages on woody unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
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| 00:22.36 | dondelelcaro | If you have to ask if it's advised, you don't know enough to do it. |
| 00:22.42 | PerfDave | flask-: Don't do it, backport them from source if you absolutely have to. |
| 00:22.43 | phogg | flask-: again it depends. Most of the time there will be no problems, but if there are they could bite you. It is not officially recommended, but doing so has never killed me. |
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| 00:22.52 | Guerin | no |
| 00:22.58 | Guerin | most of the time there WILL be problems |
| 00:23.13 | flask- | hmm... man I wasn't expecting so many debian packages to be so out of date |
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| 00:23.17 | Guerin | that you haven't noticed them does not speak highly of your skills |
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| 00:23.25 | phogg | Guerin: I suppose it depends on what you call a problem |
| 00:23.31 | MobyTurbo | !bitrot |
| 00:24.03 | dondelelcaro | flask-: it's stable. It's been released for a while. If you want stability, old software is sometimes a necessity. |
| 00:24.11 | directhex | flask-, woody was released in 2002. deal with it, or use sarge. |
| 00:24.36 | sparr_ | What ident daemon can be configured to always respond with a particular user, even for 'invalid' requests? |
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| 00:25.27 | cliechti | sparr, did you try a google search? |
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| 00:25.52 | sparr_ | yeah |
| 00:25.55 | sparr_ | lots of ident daemons |
| 00:26.02 | sparr_ | cant find one that advertises this particular feature |
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| 00:26.33 | ferris | is there a file sharing program like kazaa for linux? |
| 00:26.38 | drini | yes |
| 00:26.49 | ferris | what is it called? |
| 00:26.51 | drini | install giftd and giftui (and some plugins) |
| 00:26.52 | Guerin | sparr_: I think you can do something with inetd, ........ .. . ... . ..... . ........ .. |
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| 00:27.03 | ferris | ok thanks |
| 00:27.04 | Sontek | How do I enable/disable iptable rules? Like if I set forwarding to sql port, how would I tell it to not do it anymore? I only want it open when I need to mess with it |
| 00:27.05 | Guerin | gah |
| 00:27.09 | drini | unforotnunatel debian doesn't carry gift-fasttract to connect to the kazaa network |
| 00:27.11 | Guerin | bad korean keyboard |
| 00:27.20 | cliechti | sparr, just go for the python one if in doubt ;-) tried this one: http://www.alcyone.com/software/fauxident/ ? |
| 00:27.22 | Guerin | sparr_: inetd and echo |
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| 00:27.33 | nono31 | hi guys. |
| 00:28.03 | nono31 | Someone knows if it is possible to play or convert MPC files in linux (MPC file is MusePack audio files) ? |
| 00:28.13 | Guerin | !rarewares |
| 00:28.13 | dpkg | rarewares is, like, a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
| 00:28.17 | Guerin | nono31: ^ |
| 00:28.50 | Guerin | might even be in main, come to think of it |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | Sontek: #iptables |
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| 00:34.46 | agiofws | i would like this sound card "Creative Technology Ltd SB Audigy 2 NX at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, full speed<=========this sound card to run on usb 2 and not on usb 1, i have compiled usb 2 in kernel can someone help me |
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| 00:36.01 | abrotman | agiofws: does your mobo have usb2? |
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| 00:36.08 | estupendocero | I changed my root password to something very secure, and then forgot it. Do I have to reinstall, or is there an easier way to de-hose myself? |
| 00:36.08 | jcurry | anyone for a bit of #trivia? |
| 00:36.09 | _morbid_ | how to see if a package is installed? |
| 00:36.16 | _morbid_ | I have installed a package with --force-all |
| 00:36.23 | _morbid_ | but dont know if it is installed |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | !tell estupendocero about forgot root's password |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | !tell estupendocero about forgot roots password |
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| 00:36.39 | abrotman | oh fucking christ |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | !tell estupendocero about i forgot roots password |
| 00:36.47 | abrotman | i give up |
| 00:36.56 | jcurry | estupendocero, i'd boot from a livecd and edit /etc/passwd |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | !tell estupendocero about i forgot root's password |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | ha!!!! |
| 00:37.03 | agiofws | abrotman: yes it does |
| 00:37.09 | estupendocero | haha thanks |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | agiofws: does it actually work? |
| 00:37.12 | agiofws | it works fine in wondows |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:37.38 | alexscott | plop |
| 00:37.38 | nono31 | Guerin: thx |
| 00:37.42 | Guerin | i wondor wot wondows os |
| 00:37.48 | agiofws | in windows it does work.. |
| 00:37.56 | agiofws | but in linux only in usb1 |
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| 00:38.08 | abrotman | agiofws: does your usb2 work in linux? |
| 00:38.11 | Guerin | agiofws: modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 00:38.36 | Guerin | presuming 2.6 |
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| 00:39.06 | agiofws | abrotman: yes it does |
| 00:39.18 | jcurry | anyone for a bit of #trivia? |
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| 00:39.59 | cafuego | jcurry: 42 |
| 00:40.13 | secher | How do I determine the /dev device name my scanner is on? |
| 00:40.13 | jcurry | cafuego, i'm missing something? |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | jcurry: grand moff tarken! |
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| 00:40.26 | abrotman | secher: dmesg |
| 00:40.37 | cafuego | jcurry: Well, I wasn't going to mention it.. |
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| 00:41.11 | Guerin | would it be fair to say that montereyt\ jack cheese is pretty dull and boring stuff? |
| 00:41.25 | cafuego | Guerin: As long as you don't call it cheese, yes. |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | Guerin: get pepper jack or salsa jack .. or chipotle jack |
| 00:41.33 | Guerin | as I suspected |
| 00:41.44 | Guerin | i don't do cheese with stuff in, really |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | Guerin: and yes .. they make those :) |
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| 00:42.04 | cafuego | abrotman: His point is that 'jack' in generaly is gritty plastic. |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | Guerin: just peppers inside .. good with crackers .. and on some foods .. like chicken |
| 00:42.17 | abrotman | why are you guys eating jack .. doesn't he mind? |
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| 00:42.20 | simonrvn | Guerin: yes it is. like cheddar without the sharpness of an old one |
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| 00:42.40 | Guerin | gah |
| 00:42.54 | Guerin | sharpness is the only thing that makes cheddar worthwhile |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | Guerin: i like it .. but i eat lots of cheeses |
| 00:43.09 | cafuego | Guerin: If you're even .AU, I'll take you to various dairies |
| 00:43.12 | Guerin | being as you are from cheesesteakville, pa |
| 00:43.21 | jcurry | 'lo njan |
| 00:43.21 | Ronin | best be getting the old or extra old then if its cheddar, only way to make it palatable |
| 00:43.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | Guerin: so what? .. cheese is good :) |
| 00:43.30 | Guerin | I'm a cheese nazi |
| 00:43.34 | Guerin | living in asia is tough |
| 00:43.41 | jcurry | njan, join #trivia? |
| 00:43.43 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, I agree |
| 00:43.46 | cafuego | Guerin: What can I say, I'm dutch. <heh> |
| 00:43.55 | Guerin | jcurry: stop pimping your channel |
| 00:44.02 | Guerin | cafuego: heh |
| 00:44.10 | jcurry | Guerin, it's not mine, we just need more people |
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| 00:44.43 | cafuego | And the nicest dairy is just up the road from the chilli/chutney place, too - and both of them are only 15 mins away from the winery. |
| 00:44.51 | n7qnc | hello |
| 00:44.53 | Guerin | hurrah! |
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| 00:45.29 | secher | Ok, I just realized one of my drives is not plugged in (power, not data). It's a scsi drive. Can I safely plug it in, or do I have to take the system down? |
| 00:45.45 | Guerin | secher: take it down |
| 00:45.49 | jcurry | secher, better to take the system down, i think |
| 00:45.50 | cafuego | secher: Is it a hotplug scsi system? |
| 00:45.52 | simonrvn | secher: chances are it's not hotswap. take it down |
| 00:45.53 | Guerin | unless you feel like playing data roulette |
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| 00:46.10 | jetscreamer | i'd turn it off |
| 00:46.12 | jetscreamer | what he szid |
| 00:46.14 | jetscreamer | hardware roulette |
| 00:46.24 | cafuego | secher: You can plug in the power, but not the data. You'll need to check scsi id and termiantion jumpers anyway. |
| 00:46.24 | agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.25 | Guerin | yeah, hardware roulette too |
| 00:46.44 | cafuego | agiofws: Sound cards don't use usb. |
| 00:46.55 | Guerin | usb sound devices do |
| 00:46.55 | agiofws | this one is |
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| 00:47.03 | cafuego | agiofws: it's not a card then. |
| 00:47.09 | agiofws | oh sorry |
| 00:47.44 | n7qnc | hey jim are you here |
| 00:47.45 | cafuego | Guerin: How long have you been away from NZ for now? |
| 00:47.51 | agiofws | modprobe -r uhci-hcd===>not found |
| 00:48.04 | agiofws | ? |
| 00:48.08 | cafuego | agiofws: Why are you trying to unload that module? |
| 00:48.23 | secher | cafuego: It is just the power, not data. I know there are no conflicts, because I'd had it configured previously, and the power cable has worked it's way loose. The data cable is already in. I need to reboot, or no? |
| 00:48.24 | Guerin | cafuego: excluding a month or so, 26 months |
| 00:48.40 | agiofws | because its not working as usb2 |
| 00:48.49 | Guerin | agiofws: uhci is not a usb2 module |
| 00:49.17 | agiofws | what should i do to make it run on usb 2? |
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| 00:49.33 | Guerin | 00:38:12 < Guerin> agiofws: modprobe ehci-hcd |
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| 00:49.46 | njan | hi, jcurry. |
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| 00:50.02 | secher | Feh, it'll wait. |
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| 00:50.17 | agiofws | Guerin: > 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #1 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) |
| 00:50.29 | agiofws | Guerin: the module is build in... |
| 00:50.56 | cafuego | secher: yes, reboot. |
| 00:51.01 | agiofws | 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) (prog-if 20 [EHCI] |
| 00:51.19 | agiofws | why does it run on usb1 ? |
| 00:51.20 | cafuego | secher: the drive would have not beens canned at bootup, it'll maske the controller do poo if you plug it in now. |
| 00:51.23 | Guerin | agiofws: you might need some other module for that sound device then |
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| 00:51.42 | Guerin | !htfswk agiofws |
| 00:51.43 | Gnurdux | one thing |
| 00:51.43 | dpkg | agiofws: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 00:51.56 | Gnurdux | ive run debian installer before |
| 00:52.01 | Gnurdux | but never with 2.6 |
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| 00:52.09 | stuartSan | woot finally |
| 00:52.13 | Gnurdux | and i saw soem where |
| 00:52.17 | agiofws | just though you would... |
| 00:52.24 | Gnurdux | that ntfs resizing didnt work |
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| 00:52.40 | _morbid_ | people |
| 00:52.40 | Gnurdux | with 2.6 kernels |
| 00:52.45 | zinx | agiofws: is it a USB 2.0 device? |
| 00:52.50 | Gnurdux | is that true? |
| 00:52.57 | agiofws | yes it is.. |
| 00:52.59 | stuartSan | i have sarge installed, with 3 cd's.. now the only problem is i configured PPPoE and it detected my ethernet card as eth0, when i activate it though, it says i'm online but i can't resolve any ip's to visit websites nor connect to ksirc etc |
| 00:53.07 | _morbid_ | I am having troubles upgrading to testing. I tried a dpkg -i --force-all in all packages to install them |
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| 00:53.19 | _morbid_ | but I could not be able to install then even doing it |
| 00:53.42 | Gnurdux | it is true? |
| 00:53.42 | _morbid_ | I've got something like this |
| 00:53.42 | _morbid_ | Replacing files in old package debianutils ... |
| 00:53.42 | agiofws | usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 00:53.42 | _morbid_ | rm: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by rm) |
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| 00:53.52 | _morbid_ | how to install these packages? |
| 00:54.01 | Gnurdux | well who cares |
| 00:54.10 | Gnurdux | ill just build a custom 2.6 kernel evetually |
| 00:54.17 | Gnurdux | or apt-get one |
| 00:54.18 | Gnurdux | bye |
| 00:54.22 | bendy24 | _morbid_: apt-get dist-upgrade testing? |
| 00:54.24 | agiofws | zinx: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using |
| 00:54.37 | agiofws | zinx: the manula says it is... |
| 00:54.45 | _morbid_ | beardy: if I try an apt-get, I get a ciclic dependence between the kernel and libc6 |
| 00:54.48 | agiofws | and windows uses it as usb2 |
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| 00:55.00 | _morbid_ | beardy: so I am tring to install *all* things before libc6 |
| 00:55.09 | _morbid_ | beardy: and am not being able to |
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| 00:55.22 | agiofws | zinx: |
| 00:55.29 | agiofws | ? |
| 00:55.30 | Guerin | _morbid_: how did you manage to break your ssrem so catastrophically |
| 00:55.34 | Guerin | ? |
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| 00:55.45 | bendy24 | yeah, apt should take care of that for you |
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| 00:56.01 | _morbid_ | Guerin: ? |
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| 00:56.11 | zinx | agiofws: full speed isn't the same as high speed |
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| 00:56.21 | Guerin | _morbid_: ssrem=system |
| 00:56.25 | zinx | agiofws: and usb 2.0 ready doesn't mean it's a usb 2.0 device |
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| 00:56.45 | agiofws | why not? |
| 00:56.51 | agiofws | what does it mean? |
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| 00:56.59 | _morbid_ | dfinn: I am not currently in the sparc box |
| 00:57.07 | PerfDave | agiofws: USB 2.0 is backwards-compatiable, and encompasses three speeds - 2.0, 1.1 and 1.0 |
| 00:57.08 | mac | I got a GPG signed .deb file for testing from Debian developer... how do I verify it? where do I get the developer public keys? |
| 00:57.09 | zinx | some stuff does say it's high speed, however |
| 00:57.10 | _morbid_ | Guerin: I just want to upgrade a stable to testing version |
| 00:57.16 | _morbid_ | Guerin: am not being able to |
| 00:57.17 | bendy24 | _morbid_: all i ever do is update my apt config, run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgarde testing |
| 00:57.20 | user01 | what fan connector should be used for the psu fan connector? system fan, aux fan, cpu fan, chipset fan...i dont see one for psu fan... |
| 00:57.30 | PerfDave | mac: Get the public keys from somewhere you trust. |
| 00:57.34 | _morbid_ | beardy: doing it, I brake my system, tryed 3 times. |
| 00:57.44 | _morbid_ | I don't know if it is important, but |
| 00:57.49 | _morbid_ | I am doing it in a sparc machine |
| 00:57.52 | bendy24 | who is beardy? |
| 00:58.03 | Guerin | _morbid_: these things happen? |
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| 00:58.16 | Guerin | err, s/?// |
| 00:58.26 | _morbid_ | I think I will never see my sparc running a testing distro |
| 00:58.30 | zinx | agiofws: are you using the USB cable that came with it? |
| 00:58.38 | _morbid_ | never got such a difficult in a i386 |
| 00:58.43 | zinx | agiofws: alternatively, if one didn't come with it, are you sure it's a USB 2.0 cable? |
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| 00:59.00 | dfc | i am in an argument with a friend about commercial use of debian. Can anyone think of companies who publicly comment on debian use? |
| 00:59.14 | bendy24 | _morbid_: it could be your kernel/arc... i've never used a sparc |
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| 00:59.36 | dfinn | where I work we use debian almost exclusively |
| 00:59.46 | agiofws | zinx: yes with the usbcable that came with it |
| 00:59.49 | _morbid_ | beardy: to use the new kernel, I need the new libc6 and to install the new libc6, I need this kernel running. |
| 01:00.01 | bendy24 | heh |
| 01:00.03 | bendy24 | catch22 |
| 01:00.14 | bendy24 | there must be some documentation on it |
| 01:00.15 | secher | Back to the task at hand. I need to find out what scsi device name my scanner has been assigned. There's nothing in dmesg in reference to the scanner, just the disks. I have not rebooted since I got it up and running ( I add this because I thought dmesg was a boot record culled from syslog. |
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| 01:00.40 | bendy24 | secher: is there somthing in /proc? |
| 01:00.42 | agiofws | could it be a distro thing? |
| 01:00.46 | agiofws | zinx: ? |
| 01:01.01 | zinx | agiofws: dunno |
| 01:01.08 | zinx | agiofws: definitely not a distro thing |
| 01:01.15 | zinx | agiofws: it's entirely in the realm of the kernel |
| 01:01.32 | bendy24 | secher: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 01:01.33 | PerfDave | secher: If there's nothing in dmesg about it, it may not have been recognised. |
| 01:02.06 | pureone | does anyone know how to get dpkg to say this thing about trying to boot debian with nothing but a printer card and something else i want to steal that quote for something |
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| 01:02.34 | agiofws | maybe it could work with 2.4.x series |
| 01:02.46 | secher | Oh, it's there, it's in /proc/scsi/scsi, and I've used it already, but I can't use it unless I use sudo. I want to create a scanner group and add myself to it, but in order to do that, I need to know the /dev/<devicename>. |
| 01:02.59 | agiofws | www.pastebin.com |
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| 01:03.03 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:03.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:03.15 | pureone | yay thats it |
| 01:03.21 | PerfDave | secher: How have you used it? |
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| 01:03.48 | secher | PerfDave: I've scanned pages of drawings into xscan. |
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| 01:04.20 | agiofws | zinx: anyone please take a look at http://www.pastebin.com/258786 : spci |grep hci |
| 01:04.21 | secher | PerfDave: Is that what you mean when you ask how have i used it? |
| 01:04.30 | Flawless | Any idea when KDE 3.4 packages will come into unstable or testing? |
| 01:04.38 | Guerin | !kill flawless |
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| 01:04.47 | drini | or.. does anybody knows o an unofficial repository? |
| 01:04.49 | PerfDave | secher: Can you not use the xscan configuration to discover the device node? |
| 01:04.49 | Flawless | relax |
| 01:05.08 | secher | PerfDave: Lemme try. |
| 01:05.08 | Guerin | Flawless: when they're ready |
| 01:05.14 | Flawless | !kill Guerin |
| 01:05.18 | Flawless | fine :) |
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| 01:05.38 | paul__ | I am trying to move from SUSE to debian by installing debian on a Dell PowerEdge 1850 from CD. debian cannot find the hard drive. i tried SUSE and it was able to find it alright...any ideas |
| 01:05.45 | agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.56 | user01 | am i suppose to hook up the 3 pin psu fan connector to anything on the motherboard? aux fan connector perhaps? |
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| 01:06.20 | secher | PerfDave: See? Told you I was a moron, and now I've proven it. Hah! And you doubeted me. <grin> thanks PD. |
| 01:06.30 | PerfDave | secher: No worries :) |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | user01: consult your mobo manual |
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| 01:06.49 | Guerin | paul__: sata? |
| 01:06.56 | user01 | Guerin: thanks it doesnt say... |
| 01:06.56 | Seb_ | where can I find a list of all the values that acpi= can have with a kernel 2.6.10 ? |
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| 01:07.10 | agiofws | Guerin: anyone please take a look at http://www.pastebin.com/258786 : lspci |grep hci |
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| 01:07.40 | Harley^ | I tried to do an apt-get install (apackageIwant) and its sat there for the past five minutes. I did a apt-cache search to ensure the package I want is there. Is there another apt source faster that someone would recommend ? |
| 01:07.49 | green_earz | secher:"There's nothing in dmesg in reference to the scanner, just the disks." can you see the scraner in the scsi bios ? fist thing |
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| 01:08.10 | bendy24 | Harley^: try netselect-apt |
| 01:08.12 | cafuego | paul__: You'll probably need a debian install image which supoports the controller. The normal isos probably don't. |
| 01:08.15 | cafuego | !poweredge |
| 01:08.15 | N00b2Debian | waves @ Karsten |
| 01:08.17 | green_earz | secher: first not fist |
| 01:08.22 | cafuego | !dell |
| 01:08.22 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
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| 01:08.27 | AndyG | Hi, im trying to use something like: cat $(find -name "something*") . How do i get filnames with spaces quoted that are listed by find ? |
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| 01:08.30 | Guerin | user01: typically, if a plug fits on a socket, it should work |
| 01:08.35 | cafuego | paul__: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 01:08.44 | Guerin | if it has to be forced or juggered or altered, it don't |
| 01:09.05 | simonrvn | Guerin: juggered? derived from juggernaut? |
| 01:09.07 | agiofws | Guerin: did you look at it? |
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| 01:09.11 | bendy24 | AndyG: dont you need to specify a path with the find command? |
| 01:09.13 | Guerin | jiggered |
| 01:09.15 | Guerin | with a u |
| 01:09.19 | chx_ | a very simple question. I have tried to dpkg -i something, failed. Now I do not want to install it. But apt-get upgrade does want to install it. How could I clean up? |
| 01:09.20 | Guerin | agiofws: no |
| 01:09.22 | cafuego | AndyG: find . -name "foo*" -exec cat '{}' |soemthing | something else \; |
| 01:09.26 | agiofws | ok sorry |
| 01:09.29 | Guerin | chx_: dpkg -P |
| 01:09.44 | AndyG | bendy24: Finds anything from starting in pwd |
| 01:09.48 | chx_ | Guerin: dpkg -P and then? |
| 01:09.56 | Guerin | nameofyourpackage |
| 01:10.18 | chx_ | Guerin: dpkg -P -a did it, thanks |
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| 01:10.23 | N00b2Debian | anyone feel like helping me get my sound werkin tonight? =) |
| 01:10.24 | agiofws | re c isws na tis rixeis ligo ladaki mipos doulepsei |
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| 01:10.39 | paul__ | thanks cafuego |
| 01:10.41 | que` | question: If i didn't have the eth0 cat5 cable plugged in upon boot, do I need to rerun the rc.netdevice file? (i don't want to reboot) |
| 01:10.46 | cafuego | Yes, speaking in greek is gunna help |
| 01:10.47 | AndyG | cafuego: So {} gts replaced by the filename? Great, thx |
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| 01:10.54 | cafuego | AndyG: yep |
| 01:10.54 | que` | note: I run DHCP. |
| 01:10.56 | PerfDave | que`: rc.netdevice file? |
| 01:11.03 | PerfDave | que`: Are you running Debian? |
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| 01:11.11 | cafuego | AndyG: And it will execute a whole set of commands until it reaches \; |
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| 01:11.37 | que` | ./etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice |
| 01:11.53 | marcus__ | Stupid question follows.. How does one load a FAT32 Windows drive in Linux? |
| 01:11.53 | que` | PerfDave: actually, no, i'm running slackware. And I'm fairly newbie at it |
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| 01:11.59 | AndyG | cafuego: Ok, but what if i wann do rsync $(something thats pops filenames) and i dont want to redo the ssh-handshake for every single file.... |
| 01:12.01 | PerfDave | que`: Uhm, then go ask #slackware, this is a Debian channel. |
| 01:12.09 | que` | PerfDave: I was just wondering if there was a way for me to get the device to renew the connection without rebooting. |
| 01:12.09 | cafuego | que`: You're on the wrong channel then, aren't you? |
| 01:12.15 | Guerin | marcus__: man mount |
| 01:12.16 | que` | Sorry :/ |
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| 01:12.24 | que` | I thought they would be similar at least. |
| 01:12.32 | PerfDave | que`: There probably is, but it'll be a Slackware-specific way. Debian doesn't have this rc.netdevice file of which you speak. |
| 01:12.36 | PerfDave | que`: ##slackware |
| 01:12.36 | Gnurdux | one of the ftp.debian.org serversis mesbehaving |
| 01:12.40 | que` | ok |
| 01:12.42 | cafuego | que`: Debian has no /etc/rc.d/ |
| 01:12.43 | marcus__ | Guerin: Tasteless jokes aside.. How do I manually mount the drive? |
| 01:12.44 | que` | PerfDave: thank you |
| 01:12.54 | bignose-work | marcus__: 'man mount' |
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| 01:12.55 | MobyTurbo | que`: slackware's configfuration files are quite unique. |
| 01:13.00 | Gnurdux | 128.101.80.133 |
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| 01:13.10 | Gnurdux | my computer isnt connecting |
| 01:13.11 | MobyTurbo | s/fur/ur |
| 01:13.11 | bignose-work | marcus__: i.e. you use the 'mount' command, and you type 'man mount' to find out how to use it. |
| 01:13.14 | Guerin | marcus__: it wasn't a joke, I was serious |
| 01:13.19 | Gnurdux | the other ip works tho |
| 01:13.23 | cafuego | que`: You can probably get away with 'dhclient eth0' as root though |
| 01:13.29 | Gnurdux | unfortunately im doing a sarge netinstall and i have this problem |
| 01:13.35 | Harley^ | Bendy24 Thank you A good suggestion :) |
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| 01:13.43 | bignose-work | marcus__: 'man man' to find out what 'man' means |
| 01:13.47 | que` | cafuego: thank you :) |
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| 01:13.58 | AndyG | cafuego: maby i could use a 'for * in ...' construct inside the $()... Ok, dont want to bother you, ill try that on my own.. thx |
| 01:14.16 | Gnurdux | however it only happens while connectivng i think im ok for now |
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| 01:14.21 | cafuego | AndyG: If you make 'find' return names in quotes, sure. |
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| 01:14.38 | marcus__ | Is there a website somewhere? |
| 01:14.47 | bignose-work | marcus__: there are many websites. |
| 01:14.59 | marcus__ | I don't work well with reading long winded instruction from a root window. |
| 01:15.04 | MobyTurbo | !somewhere |
| 01:15.06 | bignose-work | marcus__: have you exhausted the possibilities of the manual page for 'mount' ? |
| 01:15.19 | bignose-work | marcus__: then don't do it from a root window, do it as a normal user |
| 01:15.32 | bignose-work | marcus__: or you can use your desktop's help browser, most of them will view manual pages |
| 01:15.52 | marcus__ | Bignose: A prompt window. Look.. Is there a website I can browse on the subject |
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| 01:15.54 | marcus__ | ? |
| 01:15.58 | marcus__ | I'll go away |
| 01:16.34 | Guerin | marcus__: most manpages are up - google for them, read tldp, get a package which converts manpages to html |
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| 01:16.40 | bignose-work | marcus__: if you want more "how to" rather than "here is the command's usage", you want the 'doc-linux' packages |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | man2html is one such, I believe |
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| 01:17.12 | bignose-work | marcus__: 'apt-get install doc-linux-html' will get HTML versions of a lot of good documentation |
| 01:17.17 | MobyTurbo | marcus__: I've found that tkman is an excellent help browser |
| 01:17.52 | marcus__ | Thank you |
| 01:17.56 | bignose-work | marcus__: I'll also point you to the recommended reading at the Debian doc page: <http://www.debian.org/doc/> |
| 01:18.30 | bignose-work | marcus__: much better than trying to find basic documentation on such specific topics |
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| 01:18.57 | FarrisG | what is the command to determine which source you got an installed deb from? |
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| 01:19.09 | bignose-work | FarrisG: you mean the name of the source package? |
| 01:19.37 | FarrisG | So, I distinctly recall being able to find out exactly what source/mirror the deb came from |
| 01:19.45 | Guerin | FarrisG: apt-policy |
| 01:19.50 | MobyTurbo | FarrisG: apt-cache policy foo |
| 01:20.03 | Guerin | oh yeah, apt-cache policy |
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| 01:20.20 | FarrisG | MobyTurbo: THat's it, danke |
| 01:20.38 | MobyTurbo | FarrisG: yw |
| 01:20.54 | secher | If I need to change the file permissions for a file to include a perticular group, how would I do that? I used chmod g+0660 /dev/sg5 but it failed to allow me to use sane as a regular user ( Yes, the userid is indeed part of the group ). I can't figure out how chmod would determine which group was teh one in question. |
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| 01:21.17 | bignose-work | secher: the file permissions (in normal Unix permissions model) have one user owner, and one group owner. |
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| 01:21.19 | simonrvn | secher: adduser $youruser scanner |
| 01:21.44 | bignose-work | secher: a file doesn't have more than one group owner; if you want it to have a separate policy, create a separate group for that policy |
| 01:22.14 | Overand | can you add a group to a group? |
| 01:22.15 | ariel | hi, good night for everybody |
| 01:22.25 | bignose-work | secher: having determined the group, you want to change the file's ownership: 'man chown' |
| 01:22.37 | bignose-work | Overand: groups consist only of users |
| 01:22.43 | secher | Trying.. one sec. |
| 01:22.45 | Overand | k |
| 01:23.03 | bignose-work | Overand: Access Control Lists (ACLs) allow for more complex memberships |
| 01:23.12 | bignose-work | Overand: but are not a standard part of most filesystems |
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| 01:23.52 | Overand | ah |
| 01:24.02 | jeff__ | !dpkg xfce |
| 01:24.02 | dpkg | well, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce, or xfce4 is newer, sexier, but still lightweight - apt-get install xfce4 |
| 01:24.04 | Overand | so it'd have to get shoehorned on to something like ext3? |
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| 01:24.10 | ariel | any body know how to create an *.p12 or *.pfx certifiates for thunderbird? |
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| 01:24.23 | bignose-work | Overand: or XFS, or JFS, or anything that supports ACLs |
| 01:24.28 | Guerin | ariel: the mozilla people should |
| 01:24.36 | bignose-work | Overand: ext3 + ACLs is probably the simplest way |
| 01:24.59 | secher | I"m already in the group, I checked just now to be sure. Basically, I need to give teh scanner group read write access to /dev/sg5. |
| 01:25.00 | jeff__ | !xfld |
| 01:25.00 | dpkg | hmm... xfld is an XFCE4 live cd that can be found at http://www.xfld.org . |
| 01:25.03 | kaniche | I look around Debian's site... But I can't find if it does support AMD 64... I've read around the Installation Notebook it supports something called Intel IA-64... but does that woirks for me? |
| 01:25.07 | MobyTurbo | Overand: reiserfs doesn't support ACLs |
| 01:25.18 | tomb0y | is it possible to save your uptime and switch to a diff kernel ? |
| 01:25.20 | bignose-work | secher: 'man chown' for changing the ownership to a different group |
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| 01:25.31 | Overand | interesting |
| 01:25.32 | bignose-work | secher: 'man chmod' for changing read/write/execute flags |
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| 01:25.34 | sparr_ | What ident daemon can be configured to always respond with a particular user, even for 'invalid' requests? |
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| 01:26.10 | secher | bignose-work I've reread it 2x, making three total readings, and I must be missing something. |
| 01:26.17 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: nullidentd or slidentd should be able to do that |
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| 01:27.29 | mariano20 | exit |
| 01:27.38 | mariano20 | exit |
| 01:27.42 | mariano20 | exit |
| 01:27.46 | zinx | try using a / |
| 01:27.52 | dogas | hi, I have a quick question.. I built my nvidia driver and it works, but only by using insmod and specifying where the module is. Where should I put nvidia.o so modprobe will see it? |
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| 01:29.10 | hellz_hunter | there is a part on the debian installation that asks me what kind of form of messaging i can use to configure options that arise during an install of a package, like dialogs, kde, etc etc, how do i re-configure that option? |
| 01:29.34 | jeff__ | does apt-get install xfce4 install xfce4.2 or 4.0 |
| 01:29.47 | Guerin | jeff__: depends |
| 01:29.56 | Guerin | jeff__: apt-cache policy will tell you |
| 01:30.05 | MobyTurbo | hellz_hunter: I think dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 01:30.14 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 01:30.28 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: GMTA |
| 01:30.36 | jeff__ | oh thx |
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| 01:30.49 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: DMTS |
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| 01:31.16 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: you're including yourself in that. ;-) |
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| 01:32.16 | paul__ | Debian on DELL Question: So i get the correct ISO for my PowerEdge 1850. the machine isn't RAID'ed do i have to mess with the Server Assistant Stuff or if Debian recognizes my hard drive i am good to go? |
| 01:32.19 | k-man | how can i have my thunderbird address books synched between my home and work computer? |
| 01:32.28 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: i shore is |
| 01:32.41 | MobyTurbo | heh |
| 01:32.55 | Guerin | k-man: store them remotely; |
| 01:32.58 | hogmeat | lsmod shows i have the right device drivers loaded to drive the sound card, but using audio devices produces errors saying '/dev/dsp in use by another device'. any ideas how to get sound online? |
| 01:33.07 | k-man | Guerin, care to elaborate? |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | k-man: store your addressbook in a central location, and when you edit it from one palce,, you can access those changes from another place |
| 01:33.51 | Guerin | ldap is good for this |
| 01:33.58 | ariel | Guerin: I could not find the opcion that would let me create a certificate *.12 I only have the Import option once It's been created |
| 01:33.59 | k-man | Guerin, ah, ok |
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| 01:34.20 | k-man | Guerin, i experimented with ldap once before but found it non trivial to set up and get running |
| 01:34.24 | ariel | I meant "option" |
| 01:34.30 | Guerin | ariel: ask the mizilla people about it, I only know how to do ssl certs really |
| 01:34.33 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: slidentd doesnt appear to have that option (or any options at all for that matter) |
| 01:34.34 | Guerin | k-man: yeah |
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| 01:34.55 | hellz_hunter | debconf! thats it, thanks Guerin MobyTurbo |
| 01:35.35 | ariel | ok, thank you so much |
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| 01:37.08 | sparr_ | id like to report a bug in a package. ive never filed a debian bug report, and im too lazy to invest more than 5 minutes in the process. should i give up now? |
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| 01:37.49 | thingfish | tsk tsk sparr_ |
| 01:37.56 | sparr_ | thingfish: at least im honest |
| 01:37.57 | PerfDave | sparr_: apt-get install reportbug, it's pretty self-explanatory |
| 01:38.08 | sparr_ | PerfDave: reportbug seems to require a working MTA? |
| 01:38.23 | PerfDave | sparr_: But it's worth investing more than five minutes to make sure that you've got a bug, rather than user stupidity. |
| 01:38.38 | sparr_ | well, ive reproduced the bug about a dozen times now |
| 01:38.49 | sparr_ | not trying to do so, just encountering it inmy quest for a working identd |
| 01:38.50 | PerfDave | sparr_: Well, it submits bug reports via e-mail. If you don't have a working MTA, (a) fix it or (b) print off the mail to a text file and e-mail it by some other means. |
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| 01:40.09 | sparr_ | hey... |
| 01:40.13 | sparr_ | reportbug can do smtp now! |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | now? |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | when didn't it? |
| 01:41.03 | MobyTurbo | it's permasunday defintely today. |
| 01:41.13 | PerfDave | Hmm, I don't recall seeing --smtphost in reportbug before, but I've never needed it because my MTA works ;) |
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| 01:41.55 | caiqian | Hi all, How can I gpg --send-keys to keyserver after deleted some uids locally? So my new key will overwrite the one in keyserver, and not merge into. |
| 01:42.20 | fooz | caiqian, afaik you can't |
| 01:42.38 | PerfDave | caiqian: You can't overwrite stuff on keyservers. You can revoke individual UIDs and upload the recovation certs IIRC> |
| 01:42.43 | sparr_ | PerfDave: my mta doesnt 'not work'... i dont have one |
| 01:42.49 | DaCa | caiqian: you cant, thats why you need to revoke the uid's instead of deleting them |
| 01:42.53 | sparr_ | but, before i submit this |
| 01:42.55 | gravity | caiqian: I don't think that's possible. You can only send a revocation cert for things |
| 01:42.55 | sparr_ | general question |
| 01:43.11 | PerfDave | sparr_: Then your system is broken. |
| 01:43.14 | caiqian | Thanks all, I'll revocate them then |
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| 01:43.16 | sparr_ | when i uninstall a network daemon, should it remove itself from inetd.conf? |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | such as? |
| 01:43.27 | PerfDave | caiqian: Read the documentation at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
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| 01:43.53 | sparr_ | PerfDave: of course. and i dont have a ut2004 server either, is that bad too? |
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| 01:44.12 | ariel | who know how to create PKCS12 certificates? |
| 01:44.17 | sparr_ | abrotman: was that to me? if so... nullidentd and slidentd |
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| 01:45.05 | PerfDave | sparr_: No, because a system isn't broken if it doesn't have a ut2004 server. |
| 01:45.27 | sparr_ | PerfDave: ahh, so we are using the PerfDave definition of broken instead of the Fatal1ty definition :) |
| 01:45.39 | fooz | yeh.. it's broken if it DOES have one |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | sparr_: well .. does it really matter . no server .. nothing to answer :) |
| 01:45.43 | fooz | q3 > ut2k4 |
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| 01:46.01 | PerfDave | sparr_: No, we're using the standard definition of a Unix-like system. We're also using the fact that if your Debian system has no MTA, it has broken dependencies. |
| 01:46.05 | sparr_ | abrotman: well, since the defunct entry is left a new entry isnt added for the next identd i install |
| 01:46.52 | sparr_ | PerfDave: a working MTA is on my to-do list. but, since this is a desktop, its somewhere below 'working sound mixer' |
| 01:47.28 | PerfDave | sparr_: I don't care where it is on your to-do list. If you don't have one, your system is inherently broken. You might be happy running a broken system, but that doesn't make it not broken. |
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| 01:47.47 | PerfDave | sparr_: Besides, getting exim working is *much* easier than dealing with bloody sound mixers ;) |
| 01:47.51 | ariston | where is inittab stored on any debian install cd |
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| 01:48.12 | sparr_ | abrotman: so, at least in terms of annoyance (manual removal, then package reconfiguration) it seems bug-ish |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | ariston: the CD ? |
| 01:48.20 | ariston | yeah |
| 01:48.21 | ariston | sarge |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | /etc/inittab? .. but why? |
| 01:48.39 | ariston | abrotman do you know where it is? |
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| 01:48.52 | PerfDave | ariston: It's an odd request, what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 01:49.06 | ariston | installing on an apple xserve via remote serial console |
| 01:49.07 | cfaun | C++ question: is there any reason why adding (push_back) a valid pointer to a vector could cause a seg-fault? |
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| 01:49.38 | PerfDave | ariston: Is there nothing in the Installation Manual about that? |
| 01:49.46 | ariston | nope |
| 01:49.54 | Bazz | anyone know a good utility to allow accessing ext2/3 filesystems in windows explorer? (don't hate me, it has to be done sometimes) |
| 01:49.55 | ariston | the only debian xserve docs i've seen where some guy |
| 01:49.59 | sparr_ | PerfDave: i guess its a matter of vocabulary. it seems like exim wants me to have an internet hostname. a lot of the prompts just dont make sense to me on my LAN, and i end up with weird email addresses because i just have to make up a host/domain |
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| 01:50.15 | ariston | and he did it via firewire with the thing in target disk mode |
| 01:50.26 | cfaun | apt apt |
| 01:50.27 | apt | apt is, like, the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. |
| 01:50.45 | PerfDave | Bazz: explore2fs is I think on Sourceforge. |
| 01:50.49 | cfaun | apt java |
| 01:50.50 | apt | hmm... java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" ... |
| 01:50.55 | sparr_ | abrotman: so, iyho, is that behavior of the identd's worthy of a bug report? |
| 01:51.02 | jeff_ | apt aterm |
| 01:51.03 | apt | xterm replacement with fast transparency, tinting and NeXT scrollbar. URL: http://members.xoom.com/sashav/aterm/ |
| 01:51.08 | PerfDave | sparr_: Hmm, it shouldn't require you to have a FQDN. |
| 01:51.16 | abrotman | sparr_: well .. why don't you remove another . see if it does the same ? |
| 01:51.28 | sparr_ | PerfDave: it probably doesnt, but now im sending mail from "root@shaggy.minc" |
| 01:51.41 | Bazz | PerfDave: yeah, i found that, but will that let me look at stuff in explorer or just in it's own window? |
| 01:51.49 | sparr_ | abrotman: i have, many. two are 'broken', all the rest remove themselves from inetd.conf |
| 01:52.02 | secher | who was looking for the OSI map? |
| 01:52.10 | cfaun | dpkg bts |
| 01:52.10 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:52.12 | jeff_ | whats the best term replacement |
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| 01:52.31 | PerfDave | Bazz: IIRC it runs in its own window but lets you drag and drop between that and Explorer. |
| 01:52.34 | PerfDave | !best |
| 01:52.35 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | sparr_: you could file a bug .. i'm not sure what the policy is on that .. but don't file an RC bug etc .. normal should cover it |
| 01:52.46 | jeff_ | !best term |
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| 01:52.54 | sparr_ | abrotman: you lost me at RC |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | !rc |
| 01:53.00 | dpkg | from memory, rc is in the context of debian, usually release critical bugs |
| 01:53.06 | jeff_ | !best terminal |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | jeff_: stop |
| 01:53.29 | Bazz | PerfDave: cool, thanks |
| 01:53.29 | PerfDave | Bazz: Can't remember offhand, it's been quite a while since I ran Windows :) |
| 01:53.31 | jeff_ | lol |
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| 01:53.34 | abrotman | the bot has no idea what best is .. just like we don't .. |
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| 01:53.43 | abrotman | jeff_: no criteria makes it hard |
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| 01:54.08 | schlurchz | Bazz: Ext2IFS mounts ext2/ext3 volumes in windows. |
| 01:54.09 | jeff_ | ok whats a good low resourse using terminal emulator |
| 01:54.18 | PerfDave | jeff_: xterm, rxvt |
| 01:54.31 | thoreauputic | aterm |
| 01:54.44 | jeff_ | thanks |
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| 01:55.00 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: rxvt probably uses the least |
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| 01:55.28 | schlurchz | Bazz: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 01:55.37 | PerfDave | jeff_: http://dickey.his.com/xterm/xterm.faq.html has a comprehensive list of x terminal emulators |
| 01:56.05 | roo9 | one of my drives using ext3 is having some issues "Relocating group 251's inode table to 8224770..." it also says something about "severe data loss" |
| 01:56.08 | roo9 | any ideas? |
| 01:56.32 | Bazz | schlurchz: cool, thanks |
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| 01:57.26 | hogmeat | anyone know how to get get sound working under sarge? i got the correct device drivers loaded, but still no sound |
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| 01:57.38 | PerfDave | hogmeat: Have you run alsamixer to make sure your sound isn't muted? |
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| 01:58.03 | asdflkh | what are avocados? |
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| 01:58.38 | eqeyewa | dpkg avocaods |
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| 01:59.27 | RedPenguin | Am I doing something wrong? Apache appears to be running but is acting weird and I can't see any listenings on port 80 with netstat -l |
| 01:59.36 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: Almost certainly ;) |
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| 02:00.01 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: How is it "acting weird"? How does it "appear to be running"? What errors do you get? Is there anything in the logs? |
| 02:00.22 | dondelelcaro | hrm... avocado spammers |
| 02:00.25 | RedPenguin | Well I don't seem to be getting an error in error.log but I don't see a listening 80, and people can't connec |
| 02:00.27 | RedPenguin | *connect |
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| 02:01.06 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: What makes you think it's running then? What happens when you do "/etc/init.d/apache restart"? |
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| 02:01.15 | RedPenguin | It restarts it |
| 02:01.19 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: nullidentd man page says it can do what i want, but the option appears to not work :( do i need to do anything special after i add a command line parameter to inetd.conf ? |
| 02:01.19 | RedPenguin | And it shows up in ps aux |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and all the same host |
| 02:01.24 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: You don't see any errors? |
| 02:02.00 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: did you restart inetd? |
| 02:02.10 | sparr_ | no, should I? |
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| 02:02.24 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: yes. Otherwise your changes will not take effect. |
| 02:02.46 | RedPenguin | Nope, but I think I know what might be going on |
| 02:02.56 | RedPenguin | Or at least what might fix at least something |
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| 02:03.08 | sparr_ | very interesting... when i install a new daemon why am i not informed that inetd is being restarted? |
| 02:03.16 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. |
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| 02:03.35 | mac | is there a way I can setup /etc/network/interfaces so that DNS servers (well, /etc/resolv.conf) are obtained using DHCP, but the IP address is assigned statically for eth0? |
| 02:03.49 | robink | How do I get the forward/back buttons on my mouse to browse forward/backward in a web browser? |
| 02:04.00 | sparr_ | robink: tell the web browser about them |
| 02:04.01 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: if you're installing a daemon, there's no need. However, if you're installing something using inetd, you need to restart the inetd daemon. |
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| 02:04.22 | robink | sparr_: How do I do that? |
| 02:04.27 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: right, im installing something to use inetd. and it "just works", which tells me that its restarting inetd. but it doesnt say its restarting inetd |
| 02:04.32 | RedPenguin | PerfDave, my browser keeps giving connection refused while trying to contact localhost |
| 02:04.37 | dondelelcaro | mac: have dhcp give you a static address. |
| 02:04.40 | RedPenguin | But I renamed the server so it should be working right |
| 02:04.42 | PerfDave | mac: No, but you can probably tell the interface to do DHCP and tweak settings in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 02:04.47 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: "renamed the server"? |
| 02:04.55 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: it can just send a HUP to inetd, which does the same thing. |
| 02:05.33 | RedPenguin | Well, I meant ServerName |
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| 02:05.40 | mac | dondelelcaro: alas, I have no control over DHCP server (ISP's) |
| 02:05.45 | sparr_ | hooray, i finally got a broken identd installed so i can get rid of my ~ |
| 02:05.46 | RedPenguin | I know that isn't the problem but it isn't a real domain which might mess up something |
| 02:05.51 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: It doesn't matter. |
| 02:06.00 | gravity | libshout... libshout... let it all out |
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| 02:06.13 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: As root, do "netstat -nlp" and see if apache shows up anywhere? |
| 02:06.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart gravity |
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| 02:06.40 | RedPenguin | It is definatly listening on port 80 |
| 02:06.46 | FieldySnuts | on what address |
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| 02:06.52 | uut | I'm trying to compile pgadmin3 and the configure script is complaining about pgsql headers and libraries, I have postgresql-dev installed and have tried passing the --with-pgsql cmd line option with several different values to no avail ... can someone tell me where the postgres libraries and headers are ? |
| 02:06.52 | RedPenguin | 0.0.0.0 |
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| 02:07.06 | mac | PerfDave: hmmm, that *does* sound better than some other hacks I was thinking of, as a last resort |
| 02:07.07 | ian2_ | heya, suppose I'm running stable, and I want to install a package from testing. Is there a good way to do this? |
| 02:07.21 | PerfDave | ian2_: Yes, backport it. |
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| 02:07.34 | PerfDave | ian2_: /msg dpkg backport |
| 02:07.38 | ian2_ | will do |
| 02:07.44 | RedPenguin | It is weird though, sometimes Apache works without a glitch, then it does this |
| 02:07.54 | schlurchz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.05 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: Well, if it's listening on port 80, do "telnet localhost 80" from the server, then type "GET / HTTP/1.0" and press return twice. |
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| 02:08.39 | ian2_ | schlurchz: what about it? |
| 02:08.44 | FieldySnuts | i'm thinking he set a ServerName, but then doesn't have a way (DNS / hosts) to resolve it to an IP |
| 02:09.00 | RedPenguin | That works |
| 02:09.02 | [2]far | Hello, does anyone know of a dhcp channel on the network ? i need to remove some doubts . |
| 02:09.13 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: Then your apache server is, ultimately, working :) |
| 02:09.31 | RedPenguin | I wonder if there is some weird iptables rule running |
| 02:09.41 | RedPenguin | Becuase localhost it works but if I use another machine it just blocks me |
| 02:09.42 | electroniclas | i created a certificate and CA-key with openssl, "gave" this key to webmin, then told webmin to create a client certificate for me (as mozilla crashes everytime i try to go into advanced certificate configuration... so i can't import from a file.). now openssl runs forever on the server, with nearly 100% CPU-load... for ten minutes. it's a PIII 450, please tell me, if this behaviour is normal... |
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| 02:09.57 | RedPenguin | I checked iptables and it showing no rules |
| 02:10.02 | PerfDave | RedPenguin: Check /var/log/apache/access.log to see if your requests are getting to the server? |
| 02:10.05 | RedPenguin | And no firewall on the machine |
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| 02:10.51 | PerfDave | That'd be me with telnet then :) |
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| 02:12.55 | manlymatt83 | I have a NFS drive configured in /etc/fstab, but for some reason, the system tries to mount it first before the network interface is up. Therefore, the system boots without the nfs drive mapped, and then I have to do a mount -a after the system has been up for a few seconds to retry the nfs connection. Any ideas on how I can delay the nfs start up to make it so it doesn't try to mount the nfs drive until the network is fully up and functional? |
| 02:13.01 | FieldySnuts | @fuck NFS |
| 02:13.04 | RedPenguin | It isn't getting any requests from another user trying it |
| 02:13.05 | jim | whois n7qnc? |
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| 02:13.07 | citral | If someone knows how to put a picture in front (on the right side) of some text in latex I'd be glad to know |
| 02:13.24 | FieldySnuts | he didn't tell you another user, he told you to try telnet, but continue ignoring his advice |
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| 02:14.14 | sander | anyone got any tips on recovering deleted files from a ext3 filesystem? already tried debugfs to the inodes.. none of my files popped up |
| 02:14.14 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Check the order of NFS and networking in your initscripts? |
| 02:14.15 | FieldySnuts | restore from backups, else, consider backups in the future. alternatively if it's important enough, pay a data recovery company |
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| 02:14.58 | manlymatt83 | PerfDave: its a default install .... |
| 02:15.03 | sander | FieldySnuts, I got a backup. but this backup dosnt have all my files. |
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| 02:15.13 | FieldySnuts | see last option then |
| 02:15.22 | sander | FieldySnuts, wondring how I can restore half an file.. if the inode is deleted |
| 02:15.24 | RedPenguin | It seems to be working somewhat now except giving me weird no such file errors but I will look into that |
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| 02:15.34 | FieldySnuts | i don't like repeating. |
| 02:15.40 | bucky | ~backup FieldySnuts |
| 02:15.50 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Then that shouldn't be happening, and it's still worth checking. |
| 02:16.25 | manlymatt83 | PerfDave could it be the setting in /etc/fstab, such as the pass ? |
| 02:16.34 | sander | to be 100% sure.. its impossible to check the whole disc.. for patterns which matches files? |
| 02:16.48 | FieldySnuts | heh, you have a password in a world readable file? |
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| 02:16.53 | sander | ..without botring about inodes |
| 02:17.05 | manlymatt83 | FieldySnuts: no, the pass # |
| 02:17.13 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 02:17.30 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: No, that's to do with fsck. |
| 02:17.41 | jharrison | is there a way to do a tab space in a browser? |
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| 02:17.47 | jharrison | like instead of moving to another field? |
| 02:17.53 | manlymatt83 | oh okay perf |
| 02:18.01 | stuartSan | oh, i didn't know i had to ifconfig lo down to be able to connect |
| 02:18.06 | manlymatt83 | perf: is there a good tut on compiling a custom kernel in debian with grub? |
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| 02:18.12 | manlymatt83 | We tried and it messed everything up. I'd like to do it right. |
| 02:18.19 | stuartSan | let me see, i had 3 sarge disks, but i only chose Desktop Enviroment and DNS Server |
| 02:18.22 | stuartSan | did i miss anything out? |
| 02:18.37 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: You don't compile a custom kernel with grub. You compile a custom kernel with make-kpkg and it makes a kernel-image .deb which invokes grub when you install it. |
| 02:18.48 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: However, in Debian there is very very rarely any reason to compile a kernel. |
| 02:19.14 | manlymatt83 | I didn't mean grub as the use. I meant grub as the boot loader, but I dont know how to configure the kernel into grub once the kernel is compiled. |
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| 02:19.31 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Like I say, it's all taken care of you by make-kpkg. |
| 02:19.31 | manlymatt83 | PerfDave: Just wanted to compile a custom kernel, remove module support, remove drivers we dont use, etc. |
| 02:19.45 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Why? If you don't use the drivers, don't load them, they won't take up any space. |
| 02:19.50 | PerfDave | s/space/memory/ |
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| 02:20.02 | manlymatt83 | well, atleast remove module support |
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| 02:20.08 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Why? Module support is useful. |
| 02:20.10 | RedPenguin | Is there a command to clear all iptables rules just in case I have some weird rule I don't know about? |
| 02:20.13 | FieldySnuts | or read the kernel-howto, since you're being badgered. you already know what you want to do. |
| 02:20.14 | manlymatt83 | so if I execute make-kpkg as root, it will do a custom kernel? |
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| 02:20.37 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Read the Installation Manual, it has details on how to compile kernels with make-kpkg and kernel-source packages. |
| 02:20.41 | manlymatt83 | PerfDave: module support removal allows for tighter security in my opinion. |
| 02:20.42 | manlymatt83 | Great thanks :) |
| 02:20.52 | FieldySnuts | manlymatt83: nah, it's a fact |
| 02:21.03 | PerfDave | How does it allow for tighter security? |
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| 02:21.15 | FieldySnuts | are you joking? |
| 02:21.25 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: If you can load a module, you've already r00ted the box. |
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| 02:21.32 | petemc | its not too long ago there was a module loading exploit |
| 02:21.37 | FieldySnuts | wait. you just contradicted yoursel |
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| 02:21.50 | Delph | PerfDave: when your machine is hacked, the rootkit is less able to just install a module to mask it's presence. |
| 02:22.02 | FieldySnuts | s/hacked/cracked/ come on now, this isn't Larry King. |
| 02:22.08 | zinx | petemc: not exactly.. it was a kernel fork exploit or something, which you could trigger via module auto-loading |
| 02:22.08 | PerfDave | *shrug* Once you're r00ted, you're r00ted. |
| 02:22.13 | RedPenguin | Hmmm that worked |
| 02:22.22 | RedPenguin | I just made ServerName my external IP and it seems to be nicely working |
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| 02:22.36 | Delph | and once you're rooted, security continues in letting yourself know you've been rooted asap. |
| 02:22.38 | DebianNewbie12 | How do I make CVS automatically update my webserver autmoatically? do I use loginfo scirpts? |
| 02:22.42 | simonrvn | @ops PI spam |
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| 02:22.43 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: PI spam |
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| 02:22.48 | beardies | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.48 | klondike | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.48 | pelology | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.48 | purtraid | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.48 | batwoman | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.48 | phinnock | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.49 | FieldySnuts | actually I shouldn't say anything, as I'll get accused of doing it. |
| 02:22.50 | candidal | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | pelology | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | klondike | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | beardies | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | batwoman | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | purtraid | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | DebianNewbie12 | right now I have to run a cron job... |
| 02:22.50 | phinnock | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.50 | vaneless | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | candidal | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | pelology | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | klondike | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | beardies | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | vaneless | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.51 | purtraid | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.52 | batwoman | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
| 02:22.52 | phinnock | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? |
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| 02:23.01 | RedPenguin | ok......... |
| 02:23.18 | petemc | zinx: yeah, the ptrace thing |
| 02:23.18 | ptlis | Don't you love the GNAA ;) |
| 02:23.22 | simonrvn | @ops not PI, but pron |
| 02:23.23 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: not PI, but pron |
| 02:23.24 | zinx | pi wasn't enough? |
| 02:23.31 | zignig | ravenbird: find ops |
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| 02:23.41 | FieldySnuts | what the hells gnaa |
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| 02:23.56 | simonrvn | fucking slowed down.. now i know why EE does that |
| 02:24.01 | FieldySnuts | no, i'm not going to that web site3 heh |
| 02:24.06 | Shadowarrior13 | For a swap partition, do I want a linux swap or a BSDI swap? |
| 02:24.10 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: You know you want to. |
| 02:24.15 | ptlis | FieldySnuts: Lame troll group. |
| 02:24.26 | ptlis | FieldySnuts: Blame their existance on /. |
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| 02:24.30 | FieldySnuts | certainly can't flood well |
| 02:24.38 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm going with linux |
| 02:24.58 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: you go, and tell me |
| 02:25.06 | buu | Anyone happen to know an easy way to get aclocal-1.6 |
| 02:25.33 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: How about I don't :) |
| 02:25.38 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:25.53 | PerfDave | Right, that's it, I'm going to sleep. I just thought buu was asking for an easy way to get alcohol at 16. |
| 02:26.03 | simonrvn | buu: install it |
| 02:26.11 | feynman | i just used the netinst CD for debian and it installed OK except apt-get isn't working properly. i've read about setting up the sources.list file and i've done that. i've checked to see if the serves i have are up and working, and they are, but i still get a ".../Packages.gz 404 Not Found" error, is this a common error? |
| 02:26.20 | buu | simonrvn: Eh, from where? |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | feynman: pick another mirror |
| 02:26.38 | feynman | abrotman, i've tried LOTS of mirrors. |
| 02:26.39 | manlymatt83 | How bad is it to run sarge production? |
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| 02:26.48 | FieldySnuts | manlymatt83: extremely dumb |
| 02:26.55 | simonrvn | buu: automake1.6 |
| 02:26.55 | jeff_ | I have a problem. I encrypted some files, exported a key and saved the encryption and key on a floppy |
| 02:26.59 | PerfDave | manlymatt83: Depends on your definition of "bad". Sarge doesn't have security updates, and has bugs. |
| 02:27.00 | petemc | FieldySnuts: no its not |
| 02:27.02 | buu | simonrvn: oh. |
| 02:27.04 | green_earz | feynman: use apt-setup to help pick a apt saucre |
| 02:27.04 | jeff_ | now i cannot decrypt it without a secert key |
| 02:27.09 | jeff_ | is there any way around this |
| 02:27.16 | feynman | green_earz, ok, i will try that right now. |
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| 02:27.18 | PerfDave | jeff_: What did you do with the secret key? |
| 02:27.19 | buu | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 02:27.24 | jeff_ | it got written over |
| 02:27.27 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:27.38 | PerfDave | jeff_: I'm assuming you used keypair encryption with GPG here? |
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| 02:27.51 | jeff_ | yes dave |
| 02:27.54 | feynman | green_earz, ah, this is the first interface i tried to use and all of the different sources gave the same file not found errors. |
| 02:28.04 | jeff_ | i know the password |
| 02:28.06 | PerfDave | jeff_: Then you are pretty much fucked, unless you have a large amount of supercomputing power to brute-force it. |
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| 02:28.22 | PerfDave | jeff_: The password unlocks the secret key. Without the secret key, the password is useless. |
| 02:28.27 | feynman | "Failed to access the debian archive"... "Failed to fetch"... "- connect (111 connection refused)" |
| 02:28.38 | green_earz | feynman: ping www.bbc.com |
| 02:28.57 | buu | simonrvn: Meh. I installed automake1.6, I have aclocal-1.6 in my path, but when I run "make" I still get: WARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your system. |
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| 02:29.08 | feynman | green: did that, my pings are fine, respond nicely |
| 02:29.13 | simonrvn | bah. fucking thing |
| 02:29.19 | simonrvn | run autofuck |
| 02:29.19 | ryan` | hmm |
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| 02:29.54 | ryan` | anyone esle haing problems with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 02:30.00 | feynman | ryan: yes! |
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| 02:30.08 | ryan` | ok |
| 02:30.10 | emcee | apt-setup add a new mirror |
| 02:30.19 | feynman | i can't get anything with apt-get, but all other mirrors i've tried are fishy, too. |
| 02:30.20 | buu | simonrvn: Eh, what? |
| 02:30.22 | simonrvn | @lart comcast |
| 02:30.27 | asg | ryan`: just fine here |
| 02:30.36 | feynman | emcee: i keep getting connection refused when i use apt-setup. |
| 02:30.41 | ryan` | I've had problems with it on two boxes. |
| 02:30.52 | ryan` | it's just sitting there, though, not timing out. |
| 02:31.01 | asg | ryan`: then CTRL+C it and try again |
| 02:31.09 | green_earz | feynman: as su |
| 02:31.17 | asg | ryan`: it hits a pool and one of the pool servers must be down or hung |
| 02:31.22 | ryan` | went trhrough that time. |
| 02:31.22 | feynman | green: yes, it won't even run unless i'm as su. |
| 02:31.34 | green_earz | ok |
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| 02:32.54 | clueless | What's the command to use all the name of groups? |
| 02:33.16 | asg | clueless: ? |
| 02:33.18 | clueless | What's the command to use all find the name of groups? |
| 02:33.18 | gravity | cat /etc/group |
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| 02:33.23 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 02:34.00 | asg | FieldySnuts: try running it through the fish |
| 02:34.11 | PerfDave | feynman: You might want to look at apt-spy, though you might have difficulty installing it ;) |
| 02:34.15 | FieldySnuts | is that some kind of kinky euopean suggestion? |
| 02:34.26 | feynman | thanks PerfDave :| |
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| 02:34.41 | PerfDave | feynman: Or netselect-apt apparently. |
| 02:34.44 | karrot-x | FieldySnuts: huh KoRn? |
| 02:34.54 | FieldySnuts | karrot-x: wha? |
| 02:34.56 | karrot-x | heh* |
| 02:35.04 | feynman | i don't have anything available to use other than apt-get :\ |
| 02:35.08 | PerfDave | KoRn \m/ |
| 02:35.19 | karrot-x | FieldySnuts: nevermind :) |
| 02:35.20 | FieldySnuts | erm ok |
| 02:35.26 | Delph | feynman: dpkg and links // your web browser? |
| 02:35.38 | feynman | Delph, i don't know what that means. |
| 02:35.48 | clueless | and what's the 'default' permission on /dev/console? |
| 02:35.52 | sensor | I am trying to install RTAI in debian, and being a noob I dont know how to find my current kernel-source directory ? in /usr/src I have 3 directories with different kernel versions, I dont know which one to symlink rtai to |
| 02:35.56 | Delph | feynman: you can install packages by hand using "dpkg -i" |
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| 02:36.04 | feynman | i see. |
| 02:36.08 | Delph | and use links / wget / your browser to download packages from the intarweb |
| 02:36.17 | PerfDave | sensor: RTAI? |
| 02:36.19 | asg | clueless: on what debian version? |
| 02:36.34 | TBBle | Well, they've a stone in the middle. |
| 02:36.36 | TBBle | Oops |
| 02:36.36 | Delph | bit of a pain in the long run, but if you really want program X and apt-get is broken, then it's worth a shot. |
| 02:36.41 | feynman | Delph, is there a particular package that i could get that might facilitate getting apt-get functioning correctly? |
| 02:36.43 | stuartSan | hm did i screw debian up somehow by not installing fileserver from the packages menu |
| 02:36.52 | sensor | PerfDave Real time application interface |
| 02:36.55 | RedPenguin | I see apache and apache-ssl, but I have apache installed, does that mean I have to remove it and install apache-ssl? |
| 02:37.06 | clueless | asg: it was woody install, but I got the 2.6.8 kernel from backports.org.... ( does this make my system 'sarge'??) |
| 02:37.07 | RedPenguin | Oh wait |
| 02:37.08 | asg | RedPenguin: no, install libapache-mod-ssl |
| 02:37.09 | RedPenguin | I see libapache-mod-ssl |
| 02:37.15 | PerfDave | sensor: Have you looked at the rtai and rtai-doc packages? |
| 02:37.16 | RedPenguin | I didn't see it at first |
| 02:37.23 | asg | clueless: no |
| 02:37.38 | schlurchz | feynman: well, you get a "connection refused"? |
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| 02:37.49 | asg | clueless: crw------- 1 root tty 5, 1 Nov 15 2002 /dev/console |
| 02:38.02 | Delph | feynman: i came into the conversation late |
| 02:38.10 | feynman | when i use apt-setup that's the error it shows, but when i just use apt-get update after manually editing the sources.list it shows the URL at which Packages.gz resides and says "404 File not found" |
| 02:38.23 | sensor | the readme says to make sure kernel source is compiled on the system, I did a aptitude for source and it installed a kernel-source-2.6.8 directory , but when I do a uname -r it says 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:38.26 | feynman | but the 404 statement is not true, because i can access that file with my other, functioning, computer. |
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| 02:38.33 | sensor | no I havent done a package search for it |
| 02:38.37 | sensor | I just downloaded it |
| 02:38.42 | schlurchz | feynman: broken mirror url? |
| 02:38.42 | sensor | the tar |
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| 02:38.58 | PerfDave | sensor: Well, it's available as a Debian package, with documentation, which will probably help you run it on a Debian system. |
| 02:39.25 | feynman | schlurchz: the URL that apt-get displays as where it's trying to receive the package from is valid, as i've checked it with my other computer. i've tried a few URLs that i looked up online and they don't work. |
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| 02:39.32 | sensor | ahh thanks, feel stupif |
| 02:39.50 | PerfDave | sensor: No worries. It takes a while to realise that almost everything is available in apt :) |
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| 02:40.03 | sensor | it would help for the future though how to find out what kernel source directory I am running from |
| 02:40.06 | schlurchz | feynman: you checked it with apt on another computer? |
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| 02:40.10 | Shadowarrior13 | When partitioning, do you make the swap or linux partition bootable? |
| 02:40.28 | sensor | perfdave: yeah , am beginning to learn that |
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| 02:40.42 | feynman | schlurchz, i didn't check it with _apt_, i just went to the URL at which it was listing the package, and the link worked fine. |
| 02:40.53 | stuartSan | is it just me or does programs take 10 secs to load on xwin |
| 02:41.01 | schlurchz | feynman: hmmm |
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| 02:41.09 | DebianNewbie12 | anyone here good with CVS? |
| 02:41.09 | Shadowarrior13 | Anyone? |
| 02:41.13 | marinos | Shadowarrior13: you got to make the partition you boot from bootable |
| 02:41.18 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 02:41.18 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:41.22 | DebianNewbie12 | I've been trying to figrue this out for hours... |
| 02:41.27 | PerfDave | cafuego: Any particular reason? |
| 02:41.28 | Shadowarrior13 | Makes sense |
| 02:41.32 | clueless | stuartSan: If u run gnome.or kde... |
| 02:41.33 | marinos | ;) |
| 02:41.37 | cafuego | PerfDave: It was laying about |
| 02:41.38 | feynman | schlurchz: is there a sources.list file you could recommend? i can show you what i'm using. |
| 02:42.21 | stuartSan | clue: how do i not run gnome or kde then, are they important? |
| 02:42.57 | sensor | how can I turn off dhcpdiscover during the boot process? |
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| 02:43.19 | travisat | sensor: why |
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| 02:43.21 | sensor | it takes a while to start my system, because of dhcpdiscover |
| 02:43.24 | asg | sensor: remove 'auth ethX' from /etc/network/interfaces (for the interface that uses dhcp) |
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| 02:43.58 | asg | DebianNewbie12: have you asked in #cvs yet? |
| 02:43.58 | marinos | .... or set a steady IP |
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| 02:44.02 | sensor | asg so after that I will have to manually do a ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 02:44.11 | asg | sensor: no, just an 'ifup eth0' |
| 02:44.14 | aFlag | does anybody else have a problem with xchat crashing when trying to send a dcc file? |
| 02:44.23 | sensor | asg: cool thx |
| 02:44.27 | asg | sensor: you're welcome |
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| 02:45.04 | sparr_ | I read an interesting piece of math today regarding online privacy that surprised me. Did you know that 87% of americans can be uniquely identified by birthdate, zip code, and gender? And you thought that info was 'safe' :) |
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| 02:45.17 | manlymatt80 | Where can I go to get the debian install floppies for -testing? |
| 02:45.30 | manlymatt80 | My boss has asked me to install -testing because it has the latest software, even though I vote for -stable ... but anyway, any ideas? |
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| 02:45.35 | sensor | has anyone had luck with wireless usb adapters? anyone know of any that work with debian easily? |
| 02:45.38 | luksan | ok so i'm looking to install debian, but i'm wondering how long it will take for kde 3.4 to make it into unstable, seeing as it was released today? |
| 02:45.45 | bucky | feynman, are you running sarge? |
| 02:46.11 | asg | sparr_: that's why you go out of your way and buy tampons, if you are male, to poison the well. |
| 02:46.23 | MobyTurbo | manlymatt80: edit /etc/apt/sources.list of your woody box to be "sarge" and dist-upgrade |
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| 02:46.50 | asg | luksan: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:46.56 | luksan | lol ok |
| 02:47.05 | sensor | asg: is there a place for debian wireless questions? |
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| 02:47.29 | asg | sensor: this is the place |
| 02:48.19 | bucky | feynman, which version of debian are you using? |
| 02:49.00 | PerfDave | sensor: If you google for "wireless usb adapter linux" then you should be able to find one that works. Trouble is that some manufacturers change chipsets without changing model number. |
| 02:50.09 | sensor | PerfDave: I have actually already run into that problem, I bought a netgear ma111 based on linux-wlan drivers and then found out that only version 2 of that card is being sold and the drivers dont support that |
| 02:50.11 | pureone | like linksys wmp11 i think it is |
| 02:50.35 | pureone | it was prism2 chipset but the newer ones are not |
| 02:50.44 | pureone | bastards |
| 02:50.54 | PerfDave | sensor: Take it back, complain to Netgear? |
| 02:51.35 | sensor | pureone: yes, now its sis162 or 132 |
| 02:52.36 | sensor | PerfDave: yes I will do that, meanwhile I need to find out something that works , to use in a project, and there is only a usb port I can use once I take the microboard off the development kit |
| 02:53.06 | zignig | PerfDave: have you got a BT headset working ? |
| 02:53.11 | sensor | its a pc104 board , so to ssh into it, the only thing I can do is use usb wireless, just wondering if there was a debian resource/solution to that |
| 02:54.18 | PerfDave | zignig: Nope, but I haven't tried to do so. |
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| 02:54.36 | Shadowarrior13 | How long does it normally take to initialize a swap partition? |
| 02:54.49 | PerfDave | sensor: If you can get a USB wifi adapter which is supported by Linux, then Debian should Just Work with it, I'd think. |
| 02:55.08 | mrhemlock | depends |
| 02:55.09 | asg | Shadowarrior13: not long at all |
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| 02:55.32 | asg | Shadowarrior13: if you are in the installer, are you doing a badblocks check also? |
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| 02:56.07 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah |
| 02:56.09 | Shadowarrior13 | Woops |
| 02:56.15 | Shadowarrior13 | I think I accidentally skipped ahead |
| 02:56.26 | asg | Shadowarrior13: that'll take a bit then |
| 02:56.30 | Shadowarrior13 | Nevermind, restart time |
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| 02:56.39 | Shadowarrior13 | Or is it... |
| 02:56.45 | sensor | where does apt install its packages? I did a apt-get install rtai, now I dont know where it is, |
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| 02:56.53 | PerfDave | sensor: dpkg -L rtai |
| 02:56.55 | asg | sensor: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 02:57.04 | PerfDave | http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=86 # NeroLINUX vs k3b for those who were participating in the debate^Wargument the other night |
| 02:57.07 | calmar | hi all, just in case, I want to install wmail, but it needs libdockapp1, but it seems I can't find libdockapp1 only 2 . Hmm ? |
| 02:57.11 | sime | I've made a server, and I wish to remove all X11 things, i don't want to use XDMCP etc, how can i remove like gnome-session and all its dependencies |
| 02:57.29 | asg | PerfDave: there was an argument? |
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| 02:57.35 | Shadowarrior13 | Woo, it finished |
| 02:57.45 | PerfDave | asg: Well, about as close as #debian ever gets to reasoned debate ;) |
| 02:58.16 | asg | PerfDave: was that while the DPL debates were one then? :) |
| 02:58.34 | asg | s/one/on/ |
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| 02:58.43 | PerfDave | asg: Oh, I missed those ;) |
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| 02:59.19 | asg | sime: apt-get remove --purge xlibs (that should take care of most of X) (use deborphan to help find other cruft you may have missed) |
| 02:59.53 | asg | PerfDave: http://people.debian.org/~mjr/debian_dpl_debate.html |
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| 03:00.33 | PerfDave | asg: Nooo! I don't caaaaaare! |
| 03:00.42 | cottus_ | hi there, can someone enlighten me if this is possible? it looks like I could replace unstable with testing in my apt lists and then update and dist-upgrade from sarge.. I think of this because I am at the debian.org master page of package sources, and lots of things I want seem in unstable but not alot in testing. Any thoughts? |
| 03:00.57 | asg | PerfDave: fair enough ;) |
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| 03:01.19 | asg | cottus_: downgrading is hard (/msg dpkg downgrade) |
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| 03:01.38 | stew | !be downgrade barbie |
| 03:01.47 | cottus_ | asg downgrade? |
| 03:01.52 | asg | cottus_: or did you switch a few words? |
| 03:01.53 | PerfDave | asg: Actually, I'm quite tempted to write some perl to parse that into a better format. |
| 03:02.06 | PerfDave | cottus_: No, you can't downgrade from unstable to testing. |
| 03:02.10 | cottus_ | asg, i thought going from testing to unstable is heading more toward bleeding edge |
| 03:02.24 | stew | cottus_: it is |
| 03:02.24 | asg | PerfDave: you too eh? I was going to do that as a Python exercise today until I had to deal with some borkage |
| 03:02.36 | asg | cottus_: you said unstable -> testing |
| 03:02.50 | cottus_ | i want to go from sarge (testing) to unstable, that possible? |
| 03:02.58 | jim | why do people not listen when they say "don't use sid; if you do, we expect you to have developer-level experience" |
| 03:03.01 | sensor | when I do a make-kpkg debian says command not found? what do I need to install? |
| 03:03.05 | asg | cottus_: before you go bleeding edge, /msg dpkg sid faq (read the horrible bugs section and decide if that is what you want) |
| 03:03.06 | stew | cottus_: yes, and if you have to ask you probably shouldn't |
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| 03:03.15 | cottus_ | ok |
| 03:03.22 | stew | sensor: kenrel-package |
| 03:03.27 | stew | sensor: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:03.44 | cottus_ | i get your point, but running mandrake's cooker for a while got me used to helping debug alot, and i like the newness |
| 03:03.53 | cottus_ | but new to debian, i also trust your judgment |
| 03:04.01 | jim | cottus, sincd you have developer-level experience, you know how to upgrade |
| 03:04.04 | sensor | stew: /msg commad not found |
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| 03:04.12 | asg | sensor: in your irc client |
| 03:04.14 | stew | sensor: type that into your irc client |
| 03:04.21 | sensor | doh |
| 03:04.31 | jim | oh, if you like debuging... then by all means |
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| 03:04.54 | stew | cottus_: if you wanna help bugs, thats awesome, and the most important bugs to squash are in testing so we can get it released, /topc #debian-bugs |
| 03:04.55 | cottus_ | its just that half the things I like to find are in unstable, and i cant find sources for them in sarge. I just like apt, even though its really easy to just untar |
| 03:05.20 | chealer | half the things, eh? |
| 03:05.29 | cottus_ | well, several |
| 03:05.30 | stew | cottus_: you are best off starting with a testing install and if you really 'need' to, install bits from unstable onto your testing system |
| 03:05.35 | jim | cottus_: it's really up to you... see, it's annoying when people go to sid, find problems that no one else has yet (so no reports filed yet) and comes here to ask |
| 03:05.44 | cottus_ | stew ok makes sense :) |
| 03:05.55 | cottus_ | jim> yeah that I agree on |
| 03:05.55 | asg | cottus_: well, some things haven't moved into sarge right now due to the impending release and rc bugs, etc. |
| 03:06.08 | PerfDave | stew: Mixing packages between testing and unstable isn't too difficult, you normalyl don't need to backport. |
| 03:06.15 | cottus_ | jim> I used to get grim with mandrake cooker users who did that, play bleeding edge then cry over getting cut |
| 03:06.16 | stew | exactly |
| 03:06.29 | jim | but you're saying you actually want to help find problems, is that right? |
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| 03:06.45 | cottus_ | jim> thats what I did in cooker for a while, sure |
| 03:06.55 | cottus_ | i dont know alot, but i can file a bug report |
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| 03:07.06 | cottus_ | then i watch the progress, i find it pretty cool |
| 03:07.14 | jim | why else do you want sid? |
| 03:07.52 | stew | cottus_: /topic #debian-bugs, run testing and pick the bugs you wanna help on, instead of running sid and letting the bugs pick you :) |
| 03:07.54 | jim | note also that sarge (which is now "testing" also) needs testers |
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| 03:08.24 | cottus_ | mplayer and some orinoco stuff i found, also miscellaneous packages i look for |
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| 03:08.55 | chealer | mplayer isn't in sid more than in sarge |
| 03:09.12 | cottus_ | ok |
| 03:09.16 | jim | mplayer isn't in debian |
| 03:09.24 | stew | now that mplayers homepage seems to be getting yanked, its chances of getting into debian are gettig slimmer |
| 03:09.31 | gose | i upgraded sarge today and now php doesn't work.. can somone point me in the right direction |
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| 03:09.32 | genix | How can I extract an iso image in debian? |
| 03:09.49 | asg | genix: what do you mean by 'extract'? |
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| 03:09.59 | chealer | gose: define "doesn't work"? |
| 03:10.03 | dondelelcaro | genix: you mount iso images, or burn them. You don't extract them. |
| 03:10.07 | asg | gose: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:10.09 | marinos | genix: you can mount an iso image |
| 03:10.11 | PerfDave | stew: Have you actually read the mplayer homepage? |
| 03:10.19 | gose | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:10.30 | stew | yeah |
| 03:10.35 | gose | i try to load the package but it's giving me a weird conflict |
| 03:10.36 | genix | ok, how do I mount them then (didn't know)? |
| 03:10.39 | jim | dondelelcaro: you can read them off of cds too |
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| 03:11.25 | try_catch_this | what free/opensource alternatives to Mathematica are there |
| 03:11.35 | gose | asg: why should i /msg those guys? i don't understand |
| 03:11.36 | jim | scilab? |
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| 03:12.15 | asg | gose: it means to /msg our bot (which will tell you some useful information that might help in your situation) |
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| 03:12.18 | chealer | gose: are you sure you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed? |
| 03:12.19 | marinos | genix: mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 /path/to/iso/image.iso /mnt/iso |
| 03:12.21 | dondelelcaro | try_catch_this: octave, euler, R... the list goes on |
| 03:12.33 | GWLlosa | Can anyone direct me to a channel dealing with encryption/decryption? |
| 03:12.35 | try_catch_this | where is dpkg? |
| 03:12.41 | asg | !botsnack |
| 03:12.41 | dpkg | aw, gee, asg |
| 03:12.45 | asg | try_catch_this: there |
| 03:12.56 | gose | chealer: when i try to install that in dselect, it gives me a conflict that appears to be resolved.. but it keeps saying there is a conflict |
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| 03:13.18 | Gnurdux | anyone in here have an Integreated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 chip? |
| 03:13.19 | try_catch_this | dpkg not responging to pm's? |
| 03:13.24 | Gnurdux | im trying to set one up on sarge |
| 03:13.26 | cottus_ | dondelelcaro> are all those math apps in apt? |
| 03:13.29 | Gnurdux | and 24 bit doesnt work |
| 03:13.34 | asg | try_catch_this: yes, dpkg des |
| 03:13.37 | Gnurdux | even tho 32 bit works in windows |
| 03:13.52 | Gnurdux | and even on 16 bit it cant use 1024x768 |
| 03:13.57 | asg | try_catch_this: is it not responding to you? |
| 03:13.57 | Gnurdux | anyone? |
| 03:13.58 | Gnurdux | ? |
| 03:14.00 | try_catch_this | dpkg |
| 03:14.01 | Gnurdux | please? |
| 03:14.02 | chealer | gose: precising what you mean would certainly help you resolve the issue |
| 03:14.03 | dondelelcaro | cottus_: yes, and a lot more. |
| 03:14.32 | genix | marinos, what is "ro" form and do I have to specify loop ("loop=/dev.....)? |
| 03:14.52 | asg | genix: ro == read-only |
| 03:14.57 | genix | marinos, for* |
| 03:15.07 | Gnurdux | somebody? |
| 03:15.11 | marinos | genix: yes you have to spesify loop |
| 03:15.13 | Gnurdux | i need to go really soon |
| 03:15.21 | marinos | look also the mount manual |
| 03:15.22 | Gnurdux | my dad wants me to go to bed |
| 03:15.33 | Gnurdux | PLEASE! |
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| 03:15.53 | asg | Gnurdux: then come back tomorrow, we will still be here. |
| 03:16.00 | genix | asg, I read "mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso" from a site |
| 03:16.13 | Gnurdux | but does anyone have one? |
| 03:16.17 | Gnurdux | dang |
| 03:16.18 | gose | chealer, asg: i ran 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4' and it installed fine.. i blame dselect :-) .. thanks guys! |
| 03:16.27 | jim | Gnurdux: your chip will be here tomorrow too |
| 03:16.28 | Gnurdux | any good X channel? |
| 03:16.36 | asg | genix: that will work. loop=foo specifies a specific loopback device |
| 03:16.44 | chealer | gose: heh, no problem |
| 03:16.45 | asg | Gnurdux: #xfree86 |
| 03:16.54 | Gnurdux | its not very big |
| 03:16.56 | genix | asg, what is a loop? |
| 03:17.16 | karsten | genix: Round thing. Ends meet. Rolls. |
| 03:17.20 | asg | genix: it's a loopback filesystem driver. It makes the userland tools think the iso is a mounted cdrom drive. |
| 03:17.25 | Shadowarrior13 | Wow, Debian is probably the easiest dist to install I've encountered yet |
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| 03:17.36 | Gnurdux | sarge is yeah |
| 03:17.37 | asg | genix: it has multiple other uses as well (i.e. encrypted filesystems) |
| 03:17.40 | ryan` | hehe |
| 03:17.49 | ryan` | I had some problems installing sarge. |
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| 03:18.11 | Gnurdux | well nobdy is ON #xf86 |
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| 03:18.20 | Gnurdux | everyone there is friggin IDLE |
| 03:18.34 | citral | !piav |
| 03:18.35 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 03:18.36 | PerfDave | Gnurdux: That's not our fault. |
| 03:18.38 | asg | Gnurdux: then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and choose sane values |
| 03:18.45 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 03:18.49 | Gnurdux | well the prob is |
| 03:18.59 | Gnurdux | i wans manually editing XF86Confg-4 |
| 03:18.59 | ryan` | It wasn't too happy about being installed on to a system with a serial console and no keyboard on monitor. |
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| 03:19.15 | Gnurdux | and i ran dexconf |
| 03:19.20 | Gnurdux | and it regenerated |
| 03:19.27 | vladster | is there a package or plugin to get podcasts? |
| 03:19.30 | Gnurdux | but it didnt add the line about extra memory |
| 03:19.37 | Gnurdux | i odnt think it did anyway |
| 03:19.41 | Gnurdux | i guess ill check |
| 03:19.42 | boddo1 | i hava litle problem, I just updated glib (2.0) to glib 2.6.0, and now the program that required it states:configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.7.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them |
| 03:19.42 | Gnurdux | bye |
| 03:19.50 | citral | :| |
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| 03:20.10 | mombof | how does one apply a patch to a bunch of files in a dir from one patchfile |
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| 03:20.37 | boddo1 | mombof ,perhaps use a wildcard ? * |
| 03:20.46 | citral | with google or man patch |
| 03:21.05 | mombof | ah thx citral i wouldnt have thought of that |
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| 03:22.26 | citral | I know it because I never remember the command, so I check google every time, once every 6 months :P |
| 03:24.14 | Shadowarrior13 | Ok, here goes |
| 03:24.19 | Shadowarrior13 | Time for the "smoke test" |
| 03:24.38 | uut | anyone know where the postgresql headers and libraries are when you install postgresql-dev ? |
| 03:24.40 | PerfDave | Bah, there wasn't any mention of #debian in the DPL convo |
| 03:24.46 | PerfDave | uut: dpkg -L postgresql-dev |
| 03:24.49 | asg | uut: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 03:25.03 | gravity | uut: /usr/include/postgresql/* |
| 03:25.29 | Shadowarrior13 | HAH |
| 03:25.30 | Shadowarrior13 | I r00l |
| 03:25.37 | uut | thank's everyone |
| 03:25.46 | mombof | citral, funny how even though i read the man page and googled 3x' b4, you made me read the man page one more time and i figured it out |
| 03:26.06 | boddo1 | pebcak mombof |
| 03:26.07 | citral | that's called education :))) |
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| 03:26.33 | boddo1 | pebcak = problem exists between chair and keybourd |
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| 03:26.40 | asg | !pebcam |
| 03:26.40 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico.. See pebmac |
| 03:26.40 | mombof | LOL |
| 03:26.46 | citral | keybourd, yes |
| 03:26.47 | boddo1 | loL |
| 03:27.02 | mombof | dude tyhats funny as crap |
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| 03:27.13 | boddo1 | lol |
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| 03:27.27 | citral | !find debstd |
| 03:27.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debstd' (1): (/usr/bin/debstd) in devel/debmake. |
| 03:27.51 | boddo1 | !find glib |
| 03:27.53 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'glib' (15 of 25): bglibs-dev ;; bglibs-doc ;; dbus-glib-1 ;; dbus-glib-1-dev ;; devhelp-book-glibc ;; glibc-doc ;; libarts1-mpeglib ;; libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 ;; libglib-cil ;; libglib-perl ;; libglib1.2 ;; libglib1.2-dbg ;; libglib1.2-dev ;; libglib1.2-doc ;; libglib2-ruby. |
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| 03:28.26 | mombof | lets see if my lil lcd screen works now |
| 03:28.34 | boddo1 | woo woo |
| 03:28.45 | rares000 | is the Intel PRO/WIRELESS 2011b |
| 03:28.55 | rares000 | supported by 2.6.11? |
| 03:28.58 | vladster | is there a plugin or app for ipodder feeds? |
| 03:29.10 | boddo1 | anyone know whare/how to edit the PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable? |
| 03:29.44 | asg | rares000: read the kernel Documentation/ and changelog |
| 03:29.52 | citral | vladster: did you try apt-cache search ipod? |
| 03:29.55 | rares000 | hmm duh |
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| 03:30.08 | stew | rares000: i belive it'll only work via ndiscrapper |
| 03:30.13 | boddo1 | he left |
| 03:30.17 | stew | doh |
| 03:30.18 | boddo1 | lol |
| 03:30.33 | citral | !lol |
| 03:30.33 | dpkg | somebody said lol was stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 03:30.43 | citral | bah |
| 03:30.55 | citral | dpkg: no, lol is Lamer On Line |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | okay, citral |
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| 03:31.10 | boddo1 | hahaha |
| 03:31.17 | boddo1 | !lol |
| 03:31.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Lamer On Line |
| 03:31.21 | boddo1 | nice bot |
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| 03:32.18 | asg | citral: you probably should have appended that instead of blowing away the whole factoid |
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| 03:32.43 | citral | asg: the whole factoid was wrong |
| 03:33.08 | citral | lol means laughing out loud, not laughs out loud |
| 03:33.19 | mombof | boddo1, i think you set it in your /etc/profile |
| 03:33.21 | asg | citral: that could have been edited with a regex |
| 03:33.22 | simonrvn | !no lol is <reply>stands for Laughs Out Loud, also Lamer On Line. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 03:33.22 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 03:33.29 | vrt | upgrading uw-imap from stable to unstable caused it to stop allowing logins, something pam related. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:33.41 | citral | asg: oh right |
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| 03:33.44 | bucky | boddo1, you could put something like export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig" in /etc/profile and source /etc/profile |
| 03:33.44 | boddo1 | mombof ty i chekit now |
| 03:33.48 | asg | vrt: did you upgrade your whole system to unstable or just the one package? |
| 03:33.57 | vrt | asg: everything |
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| 03:34.11 | bucky | boddo1, you could put something like export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig" in /etc/profile and source /etc/profile |
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| 03:34.36 | asg | vrt: well, put 'debug' after relevant lines in relevant /etc/pam.d/* files and look at /var/log/auth.log to see where things are going awry |
| 03:34.42 | vrt | asg: though I could not install the latest kernel, some strangeness, but thats different and there is a bug report about it |
| 03:35.01 | vrt | asg: ok thanks I will try that |
| 03:35.07 | boddo1 | bucky, i see what your saying, but that line exactly will not clear up my issue will it? (glib update not recognized) |
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| 03:35.23 | hogmeat | hi sarge doesnt seem to be performing as well as my crappy NT box, any way to improve that? |
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| 03:35.55 | bucky | boddo1, i didn't see what the issue was.. dunno about that one |
| 03:35.56 | asg | hogmeat: in what *way* is it not performant? |
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| 03:36.13 | boddo1 | re. I just updated glib (2.0) to glib 2.6.0, and now the program that required it states:configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.7.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them |
| 03:36.46 | bucky | boddo1, so are you building glib from a tar? |
| 03:36.52 | boddo1 | yes |
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| 03:37.12 | dad | a quick question - debian woody distro: the right way to change from booting up to gui and instead boot to a cli? |
| 03:37.17 | jim | boddo1: just goes to show ya what happens when you try upgrading libraries on a package-based system |
| 03:37.17 | boddo1 | it was succesfull, but the program that I am building from tar (that required this glib update) gave me that error |
| 03:37.19 | mombof | lol i did a dry run with patch and couldn't figure out why the changes i made didn't take place... duh |
| 03:37.22 | asg | dad: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 03:37.24 | bucky | boddo1, then you are going to have to satisfy those dependancies |
| 03:37.39 | dad | asg: thanks |
| 03:37.40 | bucky | maybe with dev debs |
| 03:37.43 | hogmeat | asg: well ... the video performance is worse, as well as it starts up processes more slowly.. dont get me wrong sarge is much better, and I hate crappy windows, it just appears that speed wise performance is better under crappy windows |
| 03:37.45 | asg | dad: you're welcome |
| 03:38.05 | boddo1 | bucky, i did,,... thats the problem,.i updated glib, now gtk still says its not updated.. |
| 03:38.06 | bucky | hogmeat, did you upgrade your kernel since the install? |
| 03:38.15 | hogmeat | its running kernel 2.6 |
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| 03:38.19 | asg | hogmeat: well, windows incorporates a lot of things in the kernel to give apparent speed (and also massive instability) |
| 03:38.45 | asg | hogmeat: if you have ide drives and haven't tweak DMA settings with hdparm -d1, you should and see if that helps. |
| 03:38.49 | genix | If I want to write files to an iso image I just mount it without "ro", right? |
| 03:38.51 | sparr_ | ive submitted my first bug. and followed up with a clarification. |
| 03:38.58 | sparr_ | hooray! |
| 03:39.02 | asg | s/tweak/tweaked/ |
| 03:39.05 | boddo1 | the repository for apt-get (or atleast on my resource list) doesnt have a new glib or gtk |
| 03:39.09 | mombof | wewt it werks |
| 03:39.10 | asg | !congratulate sparr_ |
| 03:39.11 | dpkg | Huzzah sparr_, you did it! |
| 03:39.13 | hogmeat | asg: i obviously have a lot of learning to do to make this run better, just thought i would ask thou |
| 03:39.21 | bucky | hogmeat, did you install linux on the bottom of your drives in dual boot |
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| 03:39.36 | hogmeat | bucky: unfortunately i did that |
| 03:39.44 | bucky | that's probably it |
| 03:40.02 | vrt | asg: does one have to reload pam somehow after editing /etc/pam.d/* files? |
| 03:40.03 | motu | i want to load my sound cards in a specific order at startup, and discover does in the right order, but the discover init script complains about the first one: "Skipping unavailable/built-in $MODULE module.", why is this?, the skipped module is still loaded afterwards at startup though |
| 03:40.04 | hogmeat | bucky: time to reinstall the whole thing |
| 03:40.10 | asg | hogmeat: yes, unix systems are tuned more for server type setups so interactive performance is sacrificed. |
| 03:40.30 | motu | this is the discover script line: if ! (modprobe -n ${MODULE}) > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 03:40.48 | asg | vrt: it depends on what is accessing pam. Usually, however, you don't have to but it never hurts to do so. |
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| 03:41.00 | motu | what is 2>&1? |
| 03:41.11 | asg | motu: redirect stderr to wherever stdout is going |
| 03:41.18 | asg | motu: stdout usually goes to your screen |
| 03:41.23 | vrt | asg: how does one reload pam? no init.d scripts |
| 03:41.25 | boddo1 | 2 error reporting, one is i forget, but 2>&1 means do both |
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| 03:41.52 | motu | asg, how do i do that? |
| 03:41.52 | asg | vrt: no, just reload whatever service is using it though, as I said, most services don't need restarting |
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| 03:42.28 | vrt | asg: ok, my uw-imap is running from inetd |
| 03:42.53 | asg | motu: do what? |
| 03:42.55 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 03:43.00 | asg | abrotman: hiya, thanks |
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| 03:44.02 | asg | vrt: then that shouldn't require a restart though, if you wish to, '/etc/init.d/inet restart' will do the trick |
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| 03:44.31 | asg | vrt: oops s/inet/inetd/ |
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| 03:45.10 | genix | asg, I've now mouted an iso image but I can't write to it... |
| 03:45.21 | vrt | asg: yea not getting any mention in auth.log, uw-imapd reports logins disabled??? OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] localhost IMAP4rev1 2003.339 |
| 03:45.34 | asg | genix: no, you can't, iso's don't allow that. |
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| 03:46.10 | genix | asg, How can I do it then |
| 03:46.12 | asg | vrt: see if /usr/share/doc/uw-imapd/* has a README.Debian (it should) that indicates any new things you need to take care of. |
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| 03:46.33 | asg | genix: well, you create a new iso filesystem from an existing filesystem (with mkisofs) |
| 03:47.06 | asg | genix: if you want to edit an existing iso, copy its contents somewhere, make your changes, and use mkisofs to create a new iso. |
| 03:47.14 | motu_ | asg: i got disconnected, did u say something to me? |
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| 03:47.41 | asg | motu_: you asked me 'how do i do that?'. I replied 'do what?' |
| 03:47.58 | motu_ | redirect to stderr |
| 03:48.06 | vrt | asg: README.Debian mentions auth problems regarding a md4 database, though I am just using /etc/passwd |
| 03:48.09 | genix | asg, ok, complicated, should be a lot easier to do it directly |
| 03:48.31 | genix | asg, now I know anyway, thank you |
| 03:48.32 | asg | genix: you can't do it directly. An iso is frozen image that cannot be manipulated in-place. |
| 03:49.10 | asg | vrt: that shouldn't be a problem. You might check /var/log/mail.* to see if anything interesting appears there. |
| 03:49.37 | asg | vrt: also, check your /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} files and make sure there isn't a tcpwrappers auth problem. |
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| 03:51.25 | asg | vrt: if you aren't particularly attached to uw-imap (generally considered the worst imapd in existance btw), you might look at courier-imap, dovecot, or binc (which are far more featurefull) |
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| 03:51.51 | arestheimpaler | anyone here has freeNX running? |
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| 03:52.12 | IamGod293927 | Hey, I'm really new to linux and I've got a problem, can anyone help? |
| 03:52.28 | asg | !tell IamGod293927 about smart questions |
| 03:52.35 | vrt | asg: I waz looking at maybe courier, but then couldn't decide between that and cyrus, what do you think? |
| 03:52.48 | vrt | asg: also not looking forward to converting my mailboxes |
| 03:53.06 | stew | vrt: are your mailboxes mboxes or maildirs? |
| 03:53.08 | asg | vrt: I'd got with courier. Cyrus has the most hideous tcl -> perl (badly) userland tools I've ever seen. |
| 03:53.14 | IamGod293927 | I'm running morphix .o4 /light GUI interface, and I'm trying to install it to my HD |
| 03:53.30 | asg | vrt: I do run an 85k account imap box on cyrus but it is being replaced with dovecot in the near future. |
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| 03:53.37 | pipeline | !based on |
| 03:53.40 | vrt | stew: mboxes I believe |
| 03:53.42 | IamGod293927 | I get the partitions all set up, and then when I click on "Forward" during step three of the installer, it just exits |
| 03:53.43 | pipeline | !based on debian |
| 03:53.43 | asg | IamGod293927: then ask in #morphix please |
| 03:53.43 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 03:53.50 | stew | i'm moving from courier to dovecot on all mine |
| 03:53.52 | IamGod293927 | how do I get there? |
| 03:53.54 | pipeline | IamGod293927: I suggest you install Debian Sarge. |
| 03:53.58 | stew | vrt: courier will not talk to mboxes, period |
| 03:54.00 | asg | IamGod293927: /join #morphix |
| 03:54.16 | IamGod293927 | it didn't work |
| 03:54.20 | vrt | asg: you run into inode problems with that many accounts and maildir mailboxes? |
| 03:54.30 | motu_ | asg: sigh i still dont know how to do redirect to stderr, but could u just explain this, what does this script line say?: if ! ((modprobe -n myModule) > /dev/null 2>&1) then echo "blaha"; fi |
| 03:54.31 | asg | IamGod293927: type '/join #morphix' in your irc client |
| 03:54.34 | vrt | stew: I thought as much |
| 03:54.35 | stew | vrt: actually it will tell you they exist, it will let you subscribe to them even but when you try to select them, it tells you to soak your head |
| 03:54.39 | asg | vrt: not yet ;) |
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| 03:55.07 | pipeline | IamGod293927: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:55.16 | asg | motu_: are you using the bash shell? |
| 03:55.35 | vrt | asg: whats your opinion on devecot over courier? |
| 03:55.53 | bob2 | dovecot rocks me ever so hard |
| 03:55.58 | arestheimpaler | anyone here has FreeNX running? |
| 03:56.06 | vrt | bob2: why so? |
| 03:56.10 | asg | vrt: dovecot has a cleaner separation between authentication and user definition. courier combines the two which is problematic for large setups. |
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| 03:56.35 | bob2 | vrt: it's fast and stable |
| 03:56.38 | motu_ | asg: i dont know which shell im using, lets say im using bash, what would the script then mean? |
| 03:56.41 | bob2 | vrt: and Just Works, with little configuration |
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| 03:56.44 | asg | motu_: echo $SHELL |
| 03:57.00 | bob2 | vrt: with Courier I'd occassionally get weird errors which would break my offlineimap mail tree |
| 03:57.13 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.21 | motu_ | asg: yea, bash |
| 03:57.40 | asg | motu_: either way, the script would mean 'no matter what happens, pipe all output from the commands to /dev/null. If a command printed something on stderr, send that to wherever stdout is going (in this case /dev/null)) |
| 03:57.46 | drini | yo diria que es mas o menos algo como que si falla modprobe, redireciona la salida de error a la salida estandar, la cual ha sido r |
| 03:57.50 | drini | wop forgot english |
| 03:58.03 | drini | I meant... I think it means, if modprobe fails, then it redirects the error output |
| 03:58.15 | drini | tot the standard output, which is eing redirected to /dev/null |
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| 03:58.52 | SeeleyUSMC | Does Debian have wireless internet support? |
| 03:58.58 | bob2 | of course |
| 03:59.02 | bob2 | depending on chipset |
| 03:59.14 | bob2 | since some manufacturers are stupid and/or lazy and don't document or provide drivers |
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| 03:59.30 | jeff_ | should i compile mplayer from source or can i apt-get it |
| 03:59.33 | SeeleyUSMC | I have an atheros a/b/g card internal to laptop |
| 03:59.56 | vrt | bob2: dovecot looks neat, I think I will try courier for now though |
| 03:59.58 | asg | jeff_: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:00.03 | toresbe | jeff_: If you're comfortable building things from source, you might want to concider building them yourself. |
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| 04:00.16 | bob2 | vrt: courier's cool, too |
| 04:00.26 | bob2 | my main issue was the aforementioned bugs with offlineimap |
| 04:00.36 | bob2 | since I gather offlineimap expects imap servers to not fuck up |
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| 04:00.39 | motu_ | asg: ok, but what is the condition for "blaha" to be echoed? |
| 04:00.42 | stew | fuck courier |
| 04:00.44 | toresbe | jeff_: In my experience, the mplayer binaries I've built myself are *far* faster than the marillat packages. |
| 04:00.48 | bob2 | so |
| 04:00.53 | bob2 | my iAudio g3 is awesome |
| 04:00.56 | jeff_ | oh i see |
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| 04:01.11 | stew | its good but if you have any emails that arent completely well formed don't count on courier to talk sanely |
| 04:01.16 | stouset | toresbe: That's surprising, to say the least. |
| 04:01.19 | toresbe | jeff_: but of course, if you have a fast machine, might not be worth it |
| 04:01.21 | genix | ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy, how can I stop it? |
| 04:01.25 | toresbe | stouset: I was shocked, too |
| 04:01.27 | stew | i submitted a bunch of patches to the courier author to fix bugs, but he rejected them all |
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| 04:01.54 | FlopsyPete | I can't use apt to install new software as it says 'I/O error'. when I try to mount my Windows NTFS partition I get 'mount: /dev/hda7: can't read superblock'. anyone got any ideas whats going on please? |
| 04:02.06 | drini | it's fux0red ;) |
| 04:02.37 | vrt | stew: what was the authors reasoning to reject your fixes? |
| 04:02.39 | motu_ | for what values of (modprobe -n $myModule) is "blaha" echoed? |
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| 04:03.18 | stew | vrt: garbage in, garbage out |
| 04:03.25 | corallis | is there any usb sniffing/injectving software available for debian? |
| 04:03.59 | toresbe | corallis: I believe so |
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| 04:04.09 | toresbe | corallis: But I don't know which ones, sorry |
| 04:04.18 | toresbe | corallis: might try apt-cache search (string) |
| 04:04.30 | corallis | toresbe: thanks anyways.. I tried apt-cache searching for many different things and found nothing of interest |
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| 04:04.30 | toresbe | corallis: for more info about the package type apt-cache show (package) |
| 04:04.35 | toresbe | okay |
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| 04:05.21 | Noob2Debian | could someone help me try to get my sound working with my debian sarge here please? |
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| 04:05.24 | FlopsyPete | drini: it sometimes says it can't boot too. I'm using it currently. you think its about to fall apart? |
| 04:05.52 | stouset | Noob2Debian: what's the problem |
| 04:05.53 | asg | Noob2Debian: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 04:06.27 | asg | vrt: for reference, inode usage on that system's mailspool is 12% |
| 04:06.30 | Noob2Debian | well .. I am not sure how to umm .. get it to work .. lol |
| 04:06.39 | stouset | asg: He's using Sarge. |
| 04:06.53 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Should work out of the box. "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 04:06.55 | efort | I'm running debian testing - when I leave the machine idle ith screen saver kicks in as it's supposed to, if I come back an hour later things are fine, touch a key/move the mouse everything comes back...come back like 14 hours later machine is frozen, screen saver/ keyboard/mouse won't respond, can't ssh in to look. where should I start debugging? |
| 04:06.55 | asg | stouset: the factoid applies to sarge also |
| 04:07.03 | stouset | asg: ah, it says woody |
| 04:07.25 | cottus | is there a faster more portable installer than the sarge 100M one? It's impressive, but I am curious if theres another method as simple and powerful |
| 04:07.31 | chealer | efort: log files? |
| 04:07.39 | asg | stouset: yes, when sarge is stable, we will revisit all the factoids and make necessary changes ;) |
| 04:08.05 | efort | chealer: nothing unusual logged |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | efort: conserve energy .. turn it off |
| 04:08.08 | asg | cottus: the 30M bootable businesscard iso (or a few floppies or netboot if you are inclined) |
| 04:08.41 | chealer | efort: disable ACPI stuff? |
| 04:08.52 | efort | abrotman: it's a shell server... |
| 04:08.54 | cottus | ah, what does the 30M dispense with? |
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| 04:09.00 | cottus | i mean less than the 100M |
| 04:09.02 | abrotman | efort: turn of screen blanking |
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| 04:09.06 | abrotman | off |
| 04:09.38 | asg | cottus: it doesn't include the base install, only the installer, kernel, and attendant utils |
| 04:09.53 | asg | cottus: it assumes you will be downloading everything via the net |
| 04:10.13 | asg | !be bob2 |
| 04:10.13 | dpkg | asg: I'm going to bed, RIGHT NOW |
| 04:10.14 | abrotman | cottus: the 110MB has what you need for a base system .. the 30MB requires you have working internet to get a base system |
| 04:10.17 | sensor | when i do a uname -r I get 2.6.8-2-386 and I am trying to install the kernel-source, when I do an aptitude search I only get kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:10.21 | sensor | are they the same things? |
| 04:10.23 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 04:10.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:10.37 | asg | abrotman: I'll save the one in the fridge for tomorrow |
| 04:10.49 | efort | acpi, screen blanking...? how/where? that's my thinking too is that its related to this and may be going to "sleep" but I have yet to find docs on this |
| 04:10.57 | asg | abrotman: unless X-Files reruns occur at 3am at which point I may have it ;) |
| 04:11.28 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 04:11.29 | drini | I don't know FlopsyPete |
| 04:11.32 | drini | I don't really kno |
| 04:11.51 | Noob2Debian | stouset: I guess at this point I do not know what to do to test sound .. if I put a music cd in .. should I be able to automatically play it? |
| 04:12.13 | stouset | Yes. |
| 04:12.24 | abrotman | if you have thte cable there |
| 04:12.27 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Is it not working, or were you just assuming you would have to do something to get it to work? |
| 04:12.28 | chealer | sensor: yes |
| 04:12.50 | abrotman | be in the cdrom/audio group? |
| 04:12.58 | Noob2Debian | I was assuming I had to do something to get it to work ... simply because I've not heard my pc make a sound yet . lol |
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| 04:15.21 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Linux folk generally don't like their computer beeping at them randomly. |
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| 04:15.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: In general, you're not going to hear sounds that you yourself didn't initiate |
| 04:15.37 | Noob2Debian | roger that. |
| 04:15.50 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Of course, it's entirely plausible that your sound simply isn't working too. Test it :-) |
| 04:16.14 | Noob2Debian | hmm... can you give me a tip on how I can test it? =) |
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| 04:17.08 | nvz | I've tried 'tr \t \ *' or 'tr \11 \40*' ..etc I cannot seem to get anything to translate the tab chars in this file |
| 04:17.18 | Vicious_ | the new pcmcia-cs upgrade for unstable seems to have broken usb hdd support somehow |
| 04:17.29 | sensor | need help with a kernel-source question: I am trying to install the kernel source, doing a uname -r gives me 2.6.8-2-386, but there are no kernel source packages for it when I do an aptitude search kernel-source, the closest hit I get is kernel-source-2.6.8 are they the same? if not what should I do? |
| 04:17.32 | abrotman | that's why you don't run sid where it matters |
| 04:18.47 | stew | sensor: they are the same, you should do nothing |
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| 04:20.37 | sensor | stew: I am trying to install a package rtai and it says to rebuild the source, when I do a make menuconfig I get the error messages to rebuild /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 and then it gives me /usr/modules/rtai failed |
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| 04:21.04 | stew | to build a module you should only need the kernel-headers, not the kernel-source |
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| 04:22.15 | sensor | stew: I did an aptitude install kernel-headers, why does rtai not see that I have installed the kernel-headers |
| 04:22.27 | Noob2Debian | Ok- playing a CD does not produce any sound. Any thoughts on what I should attempt to try rectify this? |
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| 04:22.54 | quiet | anyone know where I can get JWM for debian?? i've seen people with it.. but I can't find any packages |
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| 04:23.12 | stew | sensor: i don't know what rtai is or anything, but if you installed kernel headers they are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 04:23.52 | stew | quiet: what is jwm? |
| 04:23.58 | quiet | a window manager |
| 04:24.01 | sensor | stew: ok thanks will try to play with it |
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| 04:25.51 | xtapo | Blah blah blah. There's a user on my server that wants to fool around with apache tomcat. Is there a package in woody for this? |
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| 04:27.20 | stew | quiet: you can file a RFP |
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| 04:27.23 | Rucas | my new debian laptop -> http://img240.exs.cx/img240/8136/200503151501101024x768scrot4ry.png |
| 04:27.29 | Rucas | :) |
| 04:27.34 | stouset | xtapo: apt-cache search tomcat? =P |
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| 04:27.54 | stew | xtapo: yes, tomcat4 |
| 04:28.04 | stouset | Rucas: That is the worst WM theme I've ever seen :-( |
| 04:28.14 | xtapo | thanks stew! |
| 04:28.29 | Rucas | stouset: it's very fast though |
| 04:28.44 | stouset | Rucas: specs on your machine? |
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| 04:28.54 | Rucas | 700mhz mobile p3/256mb |
| 04:29.02 | Rucas | what don't you like about it |
| 04:29.06 | stouset | KDE would be fast on that machine, haha |
| 04:29.16 | Rucas | (i had a hell of a time getting opera to match like i did) |
| 04:29.36 | stouset | It's impossible to tell one terminal from another thanks to the black border, haha |
| 04:29.37 | drini | I'm not sure if you're joking or not |
| 04:29.46 | drini | but a stripped down to basics latest version kde |
| 04:29.49 | drini | certainly would be |
| 04:29.52 | Rucas | stouset: i mainly just use the one big terminal with screen |
| 04:30.03 | Rucas | stouset: so that really isn't too much of an issue |
| 04:30.31 | stouset | drini: I was partially joking, but I ran GNOME 2 on an 800MHz P-III without noticing any slowness. I could unplug the battery (clocking down to 400) and not even notice. |
| 04:30.33 | quiet | how do I get all the stuff necessary for compiling?? (i choose desktop environment from net-inst disc) |
| 04:30.40 | stouset | Rucas: Then why even start X? :-D |
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| 04:30.46 | stouset | quiet: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 04:30.48 | Rucas | stouset: to run opera :) |
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| 04:30.58 | stouset | Rucas: Without AA fonts :-( |
| 04:31.05 | stouset | Rucas: <== enjoys his eye candy |
| 04:31.07 | Rucas | heh |
| 04:31.07 | genix | How do I mount a .img file? |
| 04:31.09 | drini | why? |
| 04:31.18 | kenboo | iso? |
| 04:31.21 | drini | you oculd run links in a framebuffer or using svgalib |
| 04:31.22 | quiet | stouset, thanks |
| 04:31.33 | stouset | genix: .img? |
| 04:31.36 | drini | and then get graphical browser without C |
| 04:31.37 | drini | X |
| 04:31.39 | genix | stouset, yes |
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| 04:31.53 | stouset | genix: ...what, pray tell, is .img? |
| 04:32.03 | drini | genix: do this |
| 04:32.05 | genix | stouset, freedos |
| 04:32.09 | drini | file myimage.img |
| 04:32.13 | drini | and tell us what it says |
| 04:32.17 | Rucas | i used to do all the antialiasing and junk, and run kde, then i moved to gnome, then xfce, then fluxbox, then enlightenment heh, progressively getting more minimal |
| 04:32.26 | drini | I like openbox |
| 04:32.33 | stouset | Rucas: Mind if I ask why? |
| 04:32.37 | Rucas | not sure |
| 04:32.41 | green_earz | genix: mount -t iso9660 -o loop to-iso-image.iso /mount/dir |
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| 04:32.42 | Rucas | but it is noticably faster |
| 04:32.53 | genix | debian:/home/x# file /storage/fdos1440.img |
| 04:32.56 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where in make xconfig I would edit to disable the msp3400.ko module? |
| 04:32.59 | quiet | error runngin ./configure |
| 04:32.59 | quiet | checking for X... no |
| 04:32.59 | quiet | configure: error: Could not find X11 |
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| 04:33.05 | drini | I go through periods like rucas... going minima, going back to candy, goingi minimal, going candy |
| 04:33.11 | genix | debian:/home/x# file /storage/fdos1440.img |
| 04:33.12 | drini | I even ran ratpoison for some time |
| 04:33.15 | genix | ahh |
| 04:33.24 | Rucas | i ran twm for some time :) |
| 04:33.30 | Rucas | that was just too ugly though |
| 04:33.36 | stouset | Rucas: Fair enough. I don't buy the faster argument, though. Like I said, I wouldn't even bother to plug my laptop in sometimes because I didn't notice any difference between 400MHz and 800MHz :-P |
| 04:33.37 | drini | indeed |
| 04:34.15 | quiet | any ideas why it can't find X11?? |
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| 04:34.44 | drini | more likely an X misconfiguration |
| 04:34.54 | stouset | Rucas: speaking of which, that reminds me...I need to configure cpufreqd to throttle my new laptop as low as possible when on battery, hehe |
| 04:35.00 | drini | what are youcompiling? |
| 04:35.00 | quiet | like what though? it doesn't make sense :/ |
| 04:35.03 | quiet | jwm |
| 04:35.05 | drini | oh I think the error is |
| 04:35.09 | qnr | ni & bye, just looking for someone :) |
| 04:35.12 | jaxson | I'm running debian testing on 2 comps. Trying to get a remote x app to go from remote to local xserver.. I have set it up to the HOWTOs specs but still get display not found when running xterm & on remote |
| 04:35.12 | drini | you don't have the X development libraries |
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| 04:35.16 | jaxson | any suggestions? |
| 04:35.18 | stouset | quiet: you probably need the x development libraries |
| 04:35.24 | quiet | drini, how to get them? |
| 04:35.33 | drini | I don't know, thats why I used gentoo ;) |
| 04:35.45 | quiet | :/ |
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| 04:35.55 | genix | stouset, "debian:/home/x# file /storage/fdos1440.img" gives me "/storage/fdos1440.img: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID "FRDOS4.1", root entries 224, sectors 2880 (volumes <=32 MB) , sectors/FAT 9, serial number 0x20a7eb68, unlabeled, FAT (12 bit)" |
| 04:36.27 | xtapo | Question: Tomcat wants a JDK. You think 1.5.0 will work? |
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| 04:37.44 | stew | xtapo: it should but a 1.4 is probably more stable |
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| 04:38.20 | Rucas | heh |
| 04:38.40 | sensor | is debian sid and sarge the same thing? or is it testing vs stable? |
| 04:38.41 | nite613 | Do I need to use -386 if I want the packages to work on Athlons and P4s? |
| 04:38.46 | stouset | sensor: testing vs stable |
| 04:38.54 | genix | "mount /storage/fdos1440.img /mnt/iso -o loop" give me "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" is it iso9660? |
| 04:38.54 | nite613 | or can I use 586-tsc, talking about a kernel here |
| 04:38.56 | stouset | nite613: what packages? |
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| 04:39.09 | nite613 | wello all packages, but a kernel to start ;) |
| 04:39.12 | sensor | does that mean a wireless driver written for sid wont work in sarge? |
| 04:39.14 | stouset | nite613: 586 should work |
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| 04:39.30 | stouset | nite613: But, uh, how are you going to run the same kernel on two machines? Removable HDD or something? |
| 04:39.33 | stew | sensor: sid is unstable sarge is testing |
| 04:39.54 | nite613 | stouset: It's a VMWare machine, actually. VMWare presents the host CPU, and I need the image to be portable to another VMware server |
| 04:39.54 | green_earz | genix: mount - o loop -t iso6990 /storage/fdos1440.img /mnt/iso |
| 04:39.55 | stew | sensor: someday soon sarge will be stable and etch will be testing, sid will always be unstable |
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| 04:40.07 | nite613 | So 586 will work on Athlon and on P4? |
| 04:40.21 | stew | nite613: yes |
| 04:40.21 | redduck666 | http://conspiracy.hopto.org:6969/index.html does the link to this tracker work? someone claims it works but all i get is connection refused when attempting to connect.... any help appriciated |
| 04:40.31 | nite613 | wicked, thanks guys |
| 04:40.44 | sensor | stew: ndiswrapper has some drivers that is says works for sid 2.6.8.X would those work for sarge too? |
| 04:40.44 | Wyzard | Someone please remind me, because I can never remember this... what's the site that keeps copies of previous revisions of packages that went through sid? |
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| 04:41.06 | stew | sensor: they should, yes, sarge's kernel is based on 2.6.8.1 |
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| 04:41.38 | aaronmc | could someone tell me how to transfer files and directorys over FTP using GNU FTP. I tried mget but that only transfers files |
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| 04:42.43 | Chass | my xmms suddenly stopped working with a debian sarge update, /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3: undefined symbol: tld_strerror |
| 04:42.44 | Chass | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!, any ideas? |
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| 04:43.14 | stew | Chass: check the bts for both xmms and libcurl |
| 04:43.26 | Chass | bts? |
| 04:43.33 | genix | What is the fs type for img? |
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| 04:43.51 | stew | Chass: *sigh* /msg dpkg bts |
| 04:43.52 | Chass | what is bts? |
| 04:43.54 | sensor | <stew> sensor: they should, yes, sarge's kernel is based on 2.6.8.1 , stew: but my kernel is 2.6.8-2 do you think that will matter ? |
| 04:43.57 | stew | Chass: that should be libcurl3 probably |
| 04:43.58 | Chass | thanks |
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| 04:44.10 | stew | sensor: 2.6.8-2 is based off 2.6.8.1 |
| 04:44.23 | sensor | stew: thanks |
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| 04:44.43 | Rucas | why does it take so long for a new linux kernel to show up in unstable? |
| 04:44.47 | deadcat | when i boot up my 2.6 kernel. the pcm2 volume is always 0, should alsa remember my previous settings? |
| 04:45.13 | genix | green_earz, did you really mean iso6990? |
| 04:45.37 | green_earz | genix: iso9660 |
| 04:45.46 | aaronmc | where could i go to find the answer to my question? |
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| 04:46.18 | jaxson | is there anything peculiar to debian that would be stopping remote x connections? |
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| 04:46.53 | genix | green_earz, "mount -o loop -t iso9660 /storage/fdos1440.img /mnt/iso/" gives "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems" |
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| 04:47.18 | stew | Rucas: like which kernel? |
| 04:47.20 | jim | genix: so maybe that img is not a iso |
| 04:47.35 | jeff_ | where can i find the binares for gnome apps, such as fileroller |
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| 04:47.42 | stew | genix: does file /storage/fdos1440.img say its an iso? |
| 04:47.48 | Rucas | 2.6.11.4 for example |
| 04:47.49 | stew | genix: 1440 looks like a floppy image |
| 04:48.00 | jim | dos in the name... |
| 04:48.02 | stew | Rucas: debian doesn't rush to package development kernels |
| 04:48.08 | jim | hey! maybe it's a dos floppy! |
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| 04:48.32 | Rucas | the latest is 2.6.10-1, and 2.6.11 is the one that adds support for my sata raid controller :( |
| 04:48.34 | genix | stew, I know that's a floppy image, but not what fs it have, 1440? |
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| 04:48.49 | cottus | Rucas> so roll a kernel of your own |
| 04:48.50 | deadcat | Rucas: kernel.org |
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| 04:48.57 | jaxson | genix mount it as dos image |
| 04:49.05 | stew | genix: 1440 is probably the number of kb in the image. try -t msdos |
| 04:49.08 | Rucas | i'm currently compiling it heh |
| 04:49.21 | aaronmc | how do i transfer directorys over FTP? |
| 04:49.39 | jim | aaronmc: tar em up |
| 04:49.45 | mwilson | jeff_: Why do you think you need to "find" these binaries? Are they lost? |
| 04:49.46 | stew | aaronmc: use ncftp |
| 04:49.46 | pipeline | aardvark: use a good ftp client, such as ncftp, then use "put -R" and "get -R" |
| 04:49.52 | Rucas | it takes a while though simce i have to compile it on my laptop for my desktop, then figure out how to boot from it on a livecd so i can install debian on said sata raid array |
| 04:49.53 | stew | aaronmc: why are you using ftp at all? |
| 04:49.58 | aaronmc | the directorys are 36gb |
| 04:50.07 | aaronmc | i have ftp and ssh |
| 04:50.11 | deadcat | whats PCM2 for? |
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| 04:50.16 | jeff_ | no mwilson i want to set up firefox to choose fileroller as the default to open archives insted of kde's ark |
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| 04:50.22 | genix | stew, king, " mount -o loop -t msdos /storage/fdos1440.img /mnt/iso/" was the solution |
| 04:50.26 | cottus | if you feel like getting frisky you can cobble em together in one command, tar it up, squirt it across the net, and untar on the other end... poop thru a goose |
| 04:50.50 | stew | Rucas: apt-cache show bootcd |
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| 04:51.17 | genix | stew, Is there a way to load the floppy image direct to the floppy? |
| 04:51.35 | stew | genix: you mean copy the image to a floppy? |
| 04:51.47 | marinos | with dd |
| 04:51.49 | jim | tht's easy |
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| 04:51.55 | stew | genix: cp /storage/fdos1440.img /dev/fd0 |
| 04:52.03 | marinos | dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 |
| 04:52.03 | Rucas | stew: that's great! thanks! |
| 04:52.06 | jim | you could also do with cat |
| 04:52.14 | jim | not sure that cp will work |
| 04:52.17 | cottus | dd if=/path/to/file of=/dev/fd0 |
| 04:52.21 | stew | jim: of course it does |
| 04:52.22 | deadcat | when i boot up my 2.6 kernel. the pcm2 volume is always 0, should alsa remember my previous settings? |
| 04:53.10 | jim | I can see that cat /storage/fdos1440.img > /dev/fd0 would work |
| 04:53.17 | pipeline | deadcat: It should, if you have the alsa-base and alsa-common packages installed. |
| 04:53.21 | stew | deadcat: try alsactl store |
| 04:53.26 | deadcat | pipeline: i do have both |
| 04:53.38 | pipeline | Then listen to stew. I wonder why it's not storing on shutdown |
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| 04:54.18 | deadcat | stew: do i have to run that everything? or just this once? |
| 04:54.26 | sander | how do I change the keyboard layout I got in the console? |
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| 04:54.49 | wonkotheinsane | sander: loadkey [keymap] |
| 04:54.50 | deadcat | sander: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 04:54.54 | feynman | does debian have an equivalent option to "obtain DNS server address automatically" you find in windows? |
| 04:54.59 | wonkotheinsane | sander: er, sorry, loadkeys |
| 04:55.13 | Chass | feynman, lookup dhcp client |
| 04:55.20 | feynman | Chass, thank you. |
| 04:55.23 | stew | deadcat: that will set it once to the level you want it to boot every time assuming you said 'autosave once' at the debconf prompt |
| 04:55.35 | stew | deadcat: if you want it to save on shutdown everytime dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 04:55.47 | T-mac | i just installed debian the other day and can't get logged in to x-windows from a user. only root will log in, and i obviously don't want to use root for it. |
| 04:55.49 | deadcat | stew: thanks. |
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| 04:56.07 | stew | feynman: man 5 interfaces |
| 04:56.10 | T-mac | i tried making a .xinitrc file with "exec sapphire" in it but to no avail. the error when i type startx is "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. giving up" |
| 04:56.13 | stew | feynman: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 04:56.18 | feynman | stew: thank you. |
| 04:56.27 | sander | deadcat, worked very well. |
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| 04:56.53 | deadcat | sander: ? |
| 04:56.53 | jim | T-mac: try dpkg-recomfigure xserver-common |
| 04:57.04 | T-mac | ok thx |
| 04:57.06 | jim | err |
| 04:57.08 | jim | no |
| 04:57.11 | T-mac | k |
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| 04:57.16 | jim | T-mac: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 04:57.24 | T-mac | gotcha |
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| 04:57.30 | sander | deadcat, the "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" thingie worked.. thanks! |
| 04:57.31 | stew | T-mac: are you running startx from console? |
| 04:57.38 | deadcat | sander: ya. cool. |
| 04:57.40 | stew | T-mac: of over ssh or something? |
| 04:57.41 | T-mac | yeah |
| 04:57.42 | jeff_ | where can i get libpng |
| 04:58.01 | deadcat | jeff_: apt-cache search |
| 04:58.11 | nvz | Can anyone tell me how I can translate tab chars to 5 spaces in a file? I've been trying every expression I can imagine, and cannot get anything more than a translation to a single space |
| 04:58.30 | simonrvn | expand/unexpand |
| 04:58.36 | deadcat | nvz: :1,$ s/^I/ /g |
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| 04:58.56 | aaronmc | thanks i got it working :-P |
| 04:59.01 | nvz | deadcat: is thats sed, or vi? |
| 04:59.06 | deadcat | nvz: try vi |
| 04:59.08 | feynman | i've got my /etc/network/interfaces file edited properly for dhcp but i still have DNS resolution problems, any further suggestions? |
| 04:59.10 | stew | nvz: perl -pi -e "s/\t/ /g" filename |
| 04:59.18 | simonrvn | expand/unexpand |
| 04:59.21 | nvz | deadcat: I am not using vi, this is a script |
| 04:59.27 | deadcat | ^^ |
| 04:59.53 | simonrvn | Usage: unexpand [OPTION]... [FILE]... |
| 04:59.54 | simonrvn | Convert spaces in each FILE to tabs, writing to standard output. |
| 05:00.20 | jim | feynman: edit your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:00.45 | stouset | nvz: why why why would you want to exchange tabs for spaces? |
| 05:00.46 | jim | feynman: what dhcp server is handing you info? |
| 05:00.49 | stouset | :-( |
| 05:01.13 | jim | make file smaller |
| 05:01.16 | feynman | jim: i just figured out my issue: school network requires registration. |
| 05:01.19 | feynman | thanks for help. |
| 05:01.25 | nvz | stouset: I don't apperently.. that didnt help :P |
| 05:01.37 | T-mac | jim: it worked. ("dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common") thanks a lot! |
| 05:01.47 | jim | cool |
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| 05:01.59 | jim | 1/2, ok pretty good. |
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| 05:02.27 | simonrvn | Usage: expand [OPTION]... [FILE]... |
| 05:02.28 | simonrvn | Convert tabs in each FILE to spaces, writing to standard output. |
| 05:02.53 | simonrvn | in coreutils. you have it installed already |
| 05:03.09 | danikata | hi all |
| 05:03.34 | danikata | i have download debian sarge, iso number 1 |
| 05:03.41 | nvz | stouset: I got this file from the county, its a horribly formatted ASCII text file with long lines... I am trying to convert it into a useful database, using a pdf containing the bytes and lengths of the data fields to parse it and add proper delimiters.. however the whitespace contained in fields that are not full, i.e. combinations of tabs and spaces, which make the fields line up in a text editor, do not make it line up with the same byte locat |
| 05:03.52 | jim | danikata: ok |
| 05:04.30 | danikata | is that the installer in debian sarge automatically use kernel 2.6 ? |
| 05:04.37 | jim | dunno |
| 05:04.43 | jim | does it have to be? |
| 05:04.49 | simonrvn | danikata: pick it. install26 IIRC |
| 05:05.58 | nvz | stouset: bytes 20-34 are the Last Names of people, and the bytes 35-46 are the First Name. however because the first names arent all 14 bytes long, there are tabs and spaces filling in the rest of that field, so when I go to fetch 35-46, I dont always get the damn next field properly, because in the editor, that tab shows up as multiple cols, but its really only one byte |
| 05:06.58 | nvz | I want this file to use proper delimiters "","",""..etc so that I can parse it properly.. but I cannot even cut the info from the fields with the right byte strings, because of the tab chars |
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| 05:07.16 | Noob2Debian | nvc wow that takes me back .. I had the same problem I used a macro in wordperfect to seperate the data that was a long time ago |
| 05:07.25 | Noob2Debian | doh . nvc =nvz |
| 05:07.34 | mwilson | nvz: So detab it. |
| 05:07.37 | nvz | when I look at it in an editor, the byte ranges they gave me for the data fields, all look right, everything lines up |
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| 05:08.18 | nvz | mwilson: I've been trying all day, and still when I try cut 35-46 I dont get the last names properly, removing the tabs, translating them to 1 or 5 spaces..etc it offsets everything when I remove the tabs |
| 05:08.41 | mwilson | nvz: Don't REMOVE them, convert the file. |
| 05:08.56 | nvz | I cant figure out what to convert it to |
| 05:09.08 | mwilson | :he tw |
| 05:09.12 | Noob2Debian | nvz what I would do is create a macro Look for <tab> replace with <my delimter> |
| 05:09.13 | mwilson | ack |
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| 05:09.35 | T-mac | another thing for my debian: when i start sapphire, my keyboard/trackpoint mouse won't work (laptop). |
| 05:09.46 | T-mac | the only way for it to work is to plug in a keyboard to the ps2 port until it loads, then then i can unplug it and use it all normally. any thoughts? |
| 05:09.56 | danikata | ok, jim, simonrvn, but what kernel that use by default in debian sarge ? is that kernel can detect my hardware ? |
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| 05:10.02 | Noob2Debian | then you can load it up properly into a spreadsheet cuz everything will be delimited |
| 05:10.07 | Tinky | how do i update my kernel? |
| 05:10.11 | mwilson | nvz: vim calls it "retab" |
| 05:10.22 | nvz | yeah but most of the file is binary or decimal data where each field is 1 byte long.. its just the parts where they leave 16bytes for a name, and the name only takes up like 8.. and it throws random tabs and spaces in there, that it gets all fucked up |
| 05:10.39 | jim | danikata: your hardware really new? maybe 2.4 will, maybe not... |
| 05:10.45 | ferris | what does this mean.... W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.usc.edu debian/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.usc.edu_pub_linux_distributions_debian_dists_debian_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:10.53 | nvz | so totally setting tab to a different delimiter doesnt work, because it has not consistancy at all |
| 05:10.58 | nvz | its horribly formatted |
| 05:11.09 | mwilson | nvz: <sigh> Let's see the file. |
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| 05:11.33 | nvz | I'll give a piece.. I've only been working on a piece with 5 lines or so.. the file is 300MB+ |
| 05:11.55 | nvz | how can I show it without removing any valuable info? heh |
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| 05:12.00 | mwilson | ferris: They're all English words. |
| 05:12.01 | Noob2Debian | yeah .. got it from the city? republican party /democratic party? same file I had bastards |
| 05:12.03 | Tinky | I have sarge and installed the 2.4 kernel, how do i update it to 2.6? |
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| 05:12.50 | jim | Tinky: you should be able to install a 2.6 kernel-image pkg |
| 05:13.07 | Tinky | i apt-get install kernel-2.6.8 (or whatever) |
| 05:13.16 | Tinky | but whenever i run kernelversion it still says 2.4 |
| 05:13.23 | ferris | yes, mwilson, I can read, I have tried to apt-get update, which gives me the same error.... How can i fix it? |
| 05:14.05 | ferris | I recently upgraded the system, and now that is what i get when i try to apt-get anything |
| 05:14.17 | mwilson | ferris: What's to "fix"? Do you control that mirror or something? |
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| 05:15.11 | WW | Jeez, mwilson is *so* helpful! |
| 05:15.13 | ferris | mwilson, I cannot download files. I need to change the file so that I do not go to that mirror |
| 05:15.30 | mwilson | ferris: Personally, I'm not familiar with the usc.edu Debian mirror, but it looks to me like you've made up a sources.list entry at random, and now you're surprised it doesn't work. |
| 05:15.47 | ferris | i did not make anything |
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| 05:15.55 | ferris | i apt-spy update |
| 05:16.18 | ferris | debian wrote the new entries not me |
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| 05:16.43 | mwilson | I'm sure. |
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| 05:17.08 | yewtree | how come there are no floppies avaliable for unstable/testing? |
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| 05:17.26 | jim | yewtree: there aren't?! |
| 05:17.31 | ferris | as soon as i find out how to edit the source file, i am going to mark that mirror as a comment. |
| 05:17.53 | mwilson | ferris: Uh, wouldn't you use the editor of your choice? |
| 05:18.05 | borkabra1 | I'm trying to put debian on /dev/hdc. I have a working gentoo system on /dev/hda, with a boot partition already on it. When I'm partitioning hdc, do I need a bootable partition on that as well? |
| 05:18.11 | mwilson | jim: <shhhh> That's not supposed to exist, according to him. |
| 05:18.55 | jim | yaknow, they do look sorta transparent and wavey... must be a mirrage |
| 05:19.31 | yewtree | jim: is /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy what i should be looking at? |
| 05:19.34 | jim | borkabra1: you could do that |
| 05:19.54 | jim | but then you'd have to arrange for the /dev/hda booter to load it |
| 05:20.11 | ferris | um, yeah, I would but i do not know alot in linux. I can get around and install programs, but that is about as far as I am... so mwilson, i guess i should apologize to you for existing and getting used to linux |
| 05:20.14 | borkabra1 | That's just a matter of adding the entry to grub.conf, isn't it? |
| 05:20.20 | mwilson | Clueful person... "Where are the floppy disk images for testing/unstable?" Clueless person... "Why aren't there any floppy images available for testing/unstable?" |
| 05:20.23 | jim | yewtree: you should see boot, root and some driver images |
| 05:20.39 | ferris | mwilson, don't be such a snob, it is a turn off to linux |
| 05:20.40 | yewtree | okok |
| 05:20.43 | mwilson | ferris: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 05:20.56 | jim | mwilson: obviously this was a clueless -> clueful change |
| 05:20.56 | yewtree | should i use current or rc2? |
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| 05:21.16 | jim | maybe they are the same |
| 05:21.30 | jim | maybe one links to the other |
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| 05:21.46 | jorgp | ferris: he has always been that way :( |
| 05:22.02 | jim | oh shit!!! mwilson you did it again, my linux turned off!! |
| 05:22.12 | jim | I was just watching pr0n too |
| 05:22.25 | mwilson | ferris: Last time I checked, the concept of "editor" had little to do with your choice of operating system. |
| 05:22.32 | svref | How do I get a /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info file to exist? |
| 05:22.56 | borkabra1 | Thanks, jim. I just needed to be told it's ok. I'm still spooked by partitioning.. :) |
| 05:23.10 | jeff_ | when i try to ./configure --enable-gui for mplayer i get this command |
| 05:23.18 | redduck666 | the partition where my debian is installed is ext2, can i convert it to say reiserfs or ext3 without data loose? |
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| 05:23.25 | jim | borkabra1: you can (and should) keep backups of your partition tables |
| 05:23.27 | jeff_ | Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed. |
| 05:23.44 | Rucas | it's funny that everyone tells people "don't irc as root" but almost 100% of windows users IRC as administrator. |
| 05:23.51 | borkabra1 | jim: Can you tell me where they're stored? |
| 05:23.55 | mwilson | jeff_: And you didn't see any reason why you should actually check configure.log, right? |
| 05:24.00 | svref | redduck666: yes, to ext3 using "tunefs -j" I believe. Its E.Z. |
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| 05:24.17 | nvz | mwilson: http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/42391426_fe5c/bc/My+Documents/voterfile.dst?bf4iROCBlTLsxd3V |
| 05:24.20 | nvz | heh |
| 05:24.22 | redduck666 | svref, thanks |
| 05:24.26 | jim | borkabra1: vey first sector of each drive, but sfdisk can do dump/restore of partition table |
| 05:24.27 | nvz | free webspace :P |
| 05:24.30 | pandom | can use mutt to get pop email? |
| 05:24.32 | jim | read man sfdisk |
| 05:24.44 | borkabra1 | Cool. I am most obliged, sir. |
| 05:24.45 | jim | free web |
| 05:24.50 | jim | oxymoron? |
| 05:25.07 | jeff_ | mwilson, i see no errors really in that |
| 05:25.23 | jeff_ | ============ Checking for GUI ============ and thats the last line |
| 05:25.42 | svref | Anyone know why I have no /proc/sys/dev/cdrom, and how I can get one? |
| 05:25.56 | nvz | mwilson: thats only like the first half of 5 lines.. I'd be happy for cut -b 20-34, and cut -b 35-46, to just take those LAST, FIRST names out of that right now |
| 05:26.12 | nvz | like it should according to the fucking pdf they sent with the file |
| 05:26.14 | redduck666 | svref, bash: tunefs: command not found <-- this is what i get |
| 05:26.29 | svref | redduck666: checking... |
| 05:26.33 | redduck666 | ok |
| 05:26.48 | mwilson | nvz: Uh, the only place there are any tabs in this is at the end of lines. |
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| 05:27.23 | jim | strange |
| 05:27.30 | Travellerr | can anyone suggest a good script for listing the used dhcp leases in webpage format |
| 05:27.32 | jim | why would there be tabs there? |
| 05:27.38 | svref | redduck666: I meant "tune2fs -j". Sorry. |
| 05:27.47 | redduck666 | thanks |
| 05:27.53 | jim | Travellerr: parse and produce html |
| 05:27.55 | mwilson | jim: To make all the lines come out the same length. Fixed-length records, created by an idiot. |
| 05:27.58 | Noob2Debian | then you could look for <tab> replace with <return> then go back and look for <return> and put in a delimiter? |
| 05:28.03 | nvz | mwilson: well in the text editor it shows the Last names neatly starting at 20, and ending at 34, and the First name starting at 35, and ending at 46, and the Middle Initial being at 47, but if I cut -b those numbers from that file, I dont get what I expect to get. |
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| 05:28.34 | jim | mwilson: I'd prefer to believe this is his first cut |
| 05:28.37 | mwilson | nvz: The first line in your example doesn't even HAVE one. |
| 05:28.38 | nvz | mwilson: I've been starring at it too long in a hex editor and can't figure out whats wrong |
| 05:28.41 | pandom | can I use mutt to get pop email? |
| 05:28.44 | mwilson | Middle initial, I mean. |
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| 05:28.49 | pandom | is it fetchmail |
| 05:28.51 | pandom | ? |
| 05:28.57 | mwilson | nvz: And there are no tabs there. |
| 05:29.01 | jeff_ | mwilson, any idea why it Error: X11 support required for GUI compilatio |
| 05:29.25 | svref | Is there an IRC channel where I can get ACTUAL help using debian, rather than simply being ignored? |
| 05:29.28 | nvz | mwilson: well whats preventing me from cutting the fields out of this file? the way they appear in my editor? |
| 05:29.45 | mwilson | jeff_: Gee, probably because you told it to compile in a GUI, but you're not providing development support for doing that? |
| 05:29.58 | nvz | the 20-34 always gives me the Last Name, but the 35-46 doesnt give me the first name |
| 05:30.22 | jeff_ | oh ok |
| 05:30.32 | nvz | when in my editor, it clearly shows the First Name coloms starting at 35 |
| 05:30.42 | stouset | nvz: rather than cutting out large ranges of spaces, first pipe everything through: tr -s " " |
| 05:30.44 | nvz | but when I cut those bytes I get different data |
| 05:30.56 | stouset | nvz: Will trim all reoccurrence of spaces |
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| 05:31.47 | stouset | nvz: then cut with the space as a delimiter |
| 05:32.05 | nvz | yeah but I programmed a script to parse this file according to a pdf that came with it, and tells me where these fields start and end.. now they appear to start and end where the file said they did, in an editor, but in a hexeditor it does not, and from cut I get different data than I expect |
| 05:32.38 | mwilson | Ok, there. |
| 05:32.41 | mwilson | That wasn't too hard. |
| 05:32.51 | sander | how can I be sure that the whole disc is totally wiped... so NONE can find any data on it? |
| 05:32.55 | stouset | nvz: it's easiest to cut on spaces, I promise |
| 05:33.18 | stouset | sander: Impossible, really. To what degree do you mean? |
| 05:33.29 | mwilson | nvz: http://members.cox.net/msw/voterfile.dst |
| 05:33.32 | danikata | jim, what packages that include in deb sarge iso.1 ? |
| 05:33.47 | stouset | sander: Your wife? Your county police department? The NSA? The Illuminati? |
| 05:33.58 | danikata | is that i can use x win or KDE ? |
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| 05:34.09 | sander | thinking about nsa maybe. |
| 05:34.37 | Noob2Debian | write zeros to the drive |
| 05:34.41 | stouset | sander: If the NSA is after you, I'm not so sure I want to aid you...PATRIOT Act and all that... |
| 05:34.44 | mwilson | nvz: That the way you want it? |
| 05:34.45 | stouset | Noob2Debian: That doesn't quite cut it. |
| 05:34.58 | nvz | mwilson: yeah, the script runs perfectly on that file. |
| 05:35.02 | fooz | sander, I've already got your data! It's too late! |
| 05:35.05 | Klerck | Rucas fails multiple servers in irssi |
| 05:35.14 | sander | stouset, hehe. theyre not after me. just wondring. |
| 05:35.33 | mwilson | nvz: Ok, I have no idea how your vim might be configured, so we'll ignore its configuration. |
| 05:35.35 | nvz | mwilson: I programmed the script according to the datasheet provided with it, and didnt have the file to look at last night.. then when I got the file, and ran what seemed to be a beautiful script, it puked out useless data |
| 05:35.42 | Noob2Debian | writing zeros to the drive is still recoverable? |
| 05:35.46 | sander | fooz, too bad, since I dosnt got it myself.. |
| 05:35.49 | mwilson | $ vim -u NONE voterfile.dst |
| 05:35.51 | fooz_nsa | 600GB of porn! w00t |
| 05:36.03 | sander | I deleted some shit.. was unlucky. |
| 05:36.05 | mwilson | :set expandtab |
| 05:36.09 | sander | trying to recover it. |
| 05:36.10 | mwilson | :retab 8 |
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| 05:36.18 | fooz_nsa | sander, how'd you "delete" it? |
| 05:36.19 | mwilson | :wq |
| 05:36.23 | Rucas | how do i switch between channels in irssi? |
| 05:36.25 | mwilson | And you're done. |
| 05:36.25 | Rucas | heh |
| 05:36.29 | Rucas | it's been ages |
| 05:36.31 | sander | Noob2Debian, how many times do I have to write zeeros to it.. to be sure its gone? |
| 05:36.36 | mwilson | I'd operate on a copy of the file, of course. |
| 05:36.39 | stouset | sander: Write a random string of bits over the hard drive. Write the complement of that string of bits back over the hard drive. Write another random string of bits, write the complement of it. Repeat ad nauseum. IIRC, after about five iterations of that the diminishing returns make other iterations pointless. |
| 05:36.54 | sander | fooz_nsa, I actually manage to delete wrong dir. and then it all was gone.. lol. |
| 05:37.21 | stouset | sander: Even then, the NSA might still be able to recover the data if you had something really juicy. You could, from that point, drill a hole in several places in the drive platters, after rubbing them with sandpaper. |
| 05:37.23 | nvz | mwilson: I am installing vim, you dont know of a way to just do this from a script? |
| 05:37.39 | stouset | sander: At that point, the NSA is probably not going to be able to do much to recover that data. |
| 05:37.40 | Noob2Debian | you seriously think you could recover data after all sectors have zeros on them? |
| 05:37.41 | nvz | I don't even follow what the hell is wrong with the file. |
| 05:37.46 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Yes. |
| 05:37.52 | fooz_nsa | Noob2Debian, *HE* couldn't. but the NSA could |
| 05:37.57 | mwilson | nvz: What's wrong with the file is that it was created by an incompetent. |
| 05:38.01 | nvz | I just know its fucked up, cause I programmed my code right |
| 05:38.09 | nvz | it runs good on the file you gave me |
| 05:38.09 | Noob2Debian | really... hmmm |
| 05:38.11 | jim | Noob2Debian: it's been done by "looking under the previous write" of the sector |
| 05:38.14 | Noob2Debian | I'll have to look into that |
| 05:38.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I'm not saying it's easy, just possible. |
| 05:38.40 | sander | stouset, hehe. seems like an good idea.. /me does it right away ;+) |
| 05:38.52 | jim | it takes very expensive equpt to do that kind of thing, and if the drive has to be opened, you need a cleanroom |
| 05:38.58 | mwilson | nvz: They're using tabs to save space. |
| 05:39.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 741] by debhelper |
| 05:39.09 | svref | SCREW YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME! |
| 05:39.10 | fooz_nsa | why a clean room? |
| 05:39.15 | stouset | Noob2Debian: If you really, really, really do not the NSA reading that disk, following my procedure will probably give you a good shot at that. But if the NSA wants you that badly, that disk is probably nothing compared to the other shit they've got on you. |
| 05:39.17 | *** join/#debian lolatwtc (fasfv@adsl-209-30-37-127.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 05:39.18 | nvz | mwilson: I've known this much.. the damn whole file has lines twice that long, and its like 300mb, I am writing a script to turn it into a CSV with proper text and field delimiters |
| 05:39.40 | mwilson | fooz_nsa: Because a dust particle is larger than the distance between the platter and the heads. |
| 05:39.42 | *** join/#debian fisnomie (~trilobes@69.106.98.18) |
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| 05:39.49 | slackd00d | is there ant .deb's for kde 3.4 yet? |
| 05:39.49 | overfall | 9644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412 |
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| 05:39.51 | jim | herewego |
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| 05:39.57 | mwilson | slackd00d: Who cares? |
| 05:39.59 | sander | aint it impossible to recover the data, when you write too many times.. like 20 times? |
| 05:40.01 | slackd00d | i do |
| 05:40.01 | overfall | 3200056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892 |
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| 05:40.03 | fooz_nsa | my friends the number guys! |
| 05:40.04 | shivving | 7982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381 |
| 05:40.05 | slackd00d | thats why i asked |
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| 05:40.10 | mwilson | slackd00d: Better get creating them, then. |
| 05:40.10 | shivving | 8938095257201065485863278865936153381827968230301952035301852968995773622599413891249721775283479131 |
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| 05:40.11 | pureone | hmmmm |
| 05:40.12 | tapacolo | 1293313677028989152104752162056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496473263914199272604269922 |
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| 05:40.16 | Rucas | holy christ stop pi |
| 05:40.16 | fisnomie | 8382796797668145410095388378636095068006422512520511739298489608412848862694560424196528502221066118 |
| 05:40.17 | tapacolo | 6306744278622039194945047123713786960956364371917287467764657573962413890865832645995813390478027590 |
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| 05:40.18 | renegad3 | wtf |
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| 05:40.20 | pureone | wtf is going on? |
| 05:40.20 | shivving | 2515076069479451096596094025228879710893145669136867228748940560101503308617928680920874760917824938 |
| 05:40.21 | tapacolo | 5890097149096759852613655497818931297848216829989487226588048575640142704775551323796414515237462343 |
| 05:40.22 | tapacolo | 6454285844479526586782105114135473573952311342716610213596953623144295248493718711014576540359027993 |
| 05:40.22 | fisnomie | 4403742007310578539062198387447808478489683321445713868751943506430218453191048481005370614680674919 |
| 05:40.22 | shivving | 2781911979399520614196634287544406437451237181921799983910159195618146751426912397489409071864942319 |
| 05:40.23 | shivving | 6156794520809514655022523160388193014209376213785595663893778708303906979207734672218256259966150142 |
| 05:40.23 | tapacolo | 1503068038447734549202605414665925201497442850732518666002132434088190710486331734649651453905796268 |
| 05:40.24 | mwilson | !ops pi spam |
| 05:40.24 | fisnomie | 196.15.148.201:1080 |
| 05:40.25 | shivving | 202.153.232.164:1080 |
| 05:40.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pi spam |
| 05:40.25 | pureone | spam bots? |
| 05:40.25 | tapacolo | 210.77.117.212:1080 |
| 05:40.26 | tapacolo | 203.167.79.83:1080 |
| 05:40.26 | shivving | 202.194.4.135:1080 |
| 05:40.27 | shivving | 200.89.10.82:1080 |
| 05:40.28 | fisnomie | 201.243.193.8:1080 |
| 05:40.29 | fisnomie | 200.44.207.188:1080 |
| 05:40.29 | shivving | 212.44.109.66:1080 |
| 05:40.29 | stouset | slackd00d: No. Sarge is nearing release, and more than likely nobody's going to package them until it's released. |
| 05:40.30 | fisnomie | 194.206.224.138:1080 |
| 05:40.31 | Rucas | !ops HALP! |
| 05:40.31 | shivving | 217.41.32.53:1080 |
| 05:40.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: HALP! |
| 05:40.32 | nvz | we are getting annoyed by kawfees |
| 05:40.33 | tapacolo | 219.149.233.179:1080 |
| 05:40.33 | fisnomie | 202.103.242.5:1080 |
| 05:40.34 | shivving | 211.93.110.146:1080 |
| 05:40.35 | tapacolo | 82.112.196.50:1080 |
| 05:40.42 | slackd00d | stouset: even for sid? |
| 05:40.43 | overfall | 211.95.109.131:1080 |
| 05:40.43 | shivving | 218.56.32.2:1080 |
| 05:40.47 | fooz_nsa | 1080 is wingate isn't it? |
| 05:40.49 | pureone | there posting free open proxies yay |
| 05:40.51 | fisnomie | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 05:40.59 | fisnomie | 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 |
| 05:40.59 | sander | someone trying to get random data.. and write it to my hd (logs) |
| 05:40.59 | shivving | 7982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381 |
| 05:41.00 | tapacolo | 9644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412 |
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| 05:41.03 | fisnomie | 9433057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949 |
| 05:41.03 | shivving | 3200056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892 |
| 05:41.04 | fisnomie | 1298336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051 |
| 05:41.04 | shivving | 3542019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960518707211349999998372978049951059731732816096318 |
| 05:41.05 | tapacolo | 5950244594553469083026425223082533446850352619311881710100031378387528865875332083814206171776691473 |
| 05:41.07 | fisnomie | 0359825349042875546873115956286388235378759375195778185778053217122680661300192787661119590921642019 |
| 05:41.09 | fisnomie | 8938095257201065485863278865936153381827968230301952035301852968995773622599413891249721775283479131 |
| 05:41.13 | overfall | 5155748572424541506959508295331168617278558890750983817546374649393192550604009277016711390098488240 |
| 05:41.13 | Noob2Debian | true by the time you know they are on you they already have everything they want from you HD and anything else |
| 05:41.14 | fisnomie | ____ ____ |
| 05:41.14 | shivving | / --.| |.-- \ |
| 05:41.15 | renegad3 | wtf is this shit |
| 05:41.16 | tapacolo | /,---|| ||---.\ |
| 05:41.16 | shivving | // || || \\ |
| 05:41.16 | tapacolo | // || || \\ |
| 05:41.17 | shivving | // __ || || __ \\ |
| 05:41.17 | tapacolo | //,' `. || || ,'||`.\\ |
| 05:41.18 | tapacolo | //( \`--|)|| ||( \'| )\\ |
| 05:41.18 | stouset | stouset: Considering that would mean the KDE team would have to maintain three separate versions of KDE, probably not. And if anything, it would go in experimental so that it doesn't enter Sarge. |
| 05:41.19 | overfall | 1285836160356370766010471018194295559619894676783744944825537977472684710404753464620804668425906949 |
| 05:41.22 | fisnomie | // `.-_,' ||________|| `.-_,' \\ |
| 05:41.22 | shivving | // | || | .. | || \\ |
| 05:41.23 | fisnomie | // | || _| || \\ |
| 05:41.23 | shivving | // | || | :: | || \\ |
| 05:41.24 | tapacolo | / __ 888|| | _ | || __ \ |
| 05:41.25 | tapacolo | / ,'|_'. _ 888|| | | | || _ ,'-.`. \ |
| 05:41.25 | shivving | / `O__,'|_|8@ || | [| | |@ |_| `._|,' \ |
| 05:41.26 | fisnomie | / ( ,-._ | |888|| | -| | || |_| ( |==) \ |
| 05:41.26 | shivving | / __..|--| | )| | |--|_|__ \ ,==. |
| 05:41.26 | tapacolo | / __,--'' | | | | | ``--.__ \ //[]\\ |
| 05:41.28 | stouset | slackd00d, even. |
| 05:41.28 | tapacolo | / ,::::' |-=| | | |::::.. `-. \ //||||\\ |
| 05:41.28 | fisnomie | / ,-'::::: ..::| | /| | |:::::::: `-. \ ||,' `.|| |
| 05:41.28 | shivving | / ,' '' ::::::| | \| | | '':::: oo `. \ |--------| |
| 05:41.29 | shivving | /,' ,'\ :::'''|] | | | | .... o8888o `.\ |:::_[[[[] |
| 05:41.29 | fisnomie | /' ,' ) |> | | | [| :::::: 88888 .. \ | | ] |
| 05:41.30 | shivving | .' o ,' \_/ | :| \| |.[| o8888o ::;-' ,' | |
| 05:41.30 | fisnomie | / ,' | |] |=_| | [| '::::'oo 8 :::: \-' |---| |
| 05:41.30 | shivving | ,' o88,' `._/:\| | :| | |: | 88888888 ,-' \ _,-' | |
| 05:41.31 | fisnomie | | 8888 ``--'|::::| |_:| | |:_| 8888 ,-' \ ,-' .::_,-' |
| 05:41.32 | fisnomie | ,' 8888 ''--"" || || [| || || ,-' _,-' \ _::' |
| 05:41.33 | tapacolo | | || |_,--._| || ,-' \ ,-' _,-' |
| 05:41.33 | tapacolo | | |__(______)__| ,-' _,-' .::_,-' | |
| 05:41.34 | shivving | | 888888o ,-'\ /`-. \ \-' . _,-' | |
| 05:41.35 | fisnomie | |' 88o =====,,--..===== .-' ,-' \ _::' `| |
| 05:41.35 | shivving | `---._____ 888888888 ,' / [HHHH[=====- \ |_::' _____.---' |
| 05:41.36 | fisnomie | __|_____`=======._____ / \ [HHHH[=====- `'__.======='_____|__ |
| 05:41.37 | fisnomie | {I | _______________ || / /\/____\/\:. \ || _______________ | I} |
| 05:41.38 | tapacolo | [I | :___]__[_______ ||( / _.._ \:. )|| ______]___[___: | I] |
| 05:41.39 | tapacolo | {I_|____________o8o___|| \ /: /\ /\ \: / ||__________________|_I} |
| 05:41.40 | fisnomie | |_____,------' \/:' \ \/ / \/:.. 88`-------._____| |
| 05:41.41 | shivving | | '::..:: ,' `-. ,-' `. ':' | |
| 05:41.41 | pureone | crazy bots |
| 05:41.41 | fisnomie | .---' :::::: `. [||||] ,' '::.. `---. |
| 05:41.41 | shivving | |. .:::'' ,' __ ``--'' __ `. .::. ,| |
| 05:41.42 | fisnomie | | ''' ,' ,'||`. __ ,'||`. `. '::::. | |
| 05:41.42 | fisnomie | | ,' (||||||) ,'||`. (||||||) 88. '::::. | |
| 05:41.44 | tapacolo | `. ,' `.||,' (||||||) `.||,' 88888. ':' ,' |
| 05:41.45 | shivving | `. ,' ,'||`. __ ,'||`. `. ,' |
| 05:41.45 | tapacolo | | ,' __ `.||,' __ 88 `. | |
| 05:41.45 | shivving | `. ,' (||||||) ,'||`. (||||||) `. ,' |
| 05:41.46 | tapacolo | \ ,' `.||,' (||||||) `.||,' `. / |
| 05:41.46 | fisnomie | `. | `.||,' | ,' |
| 05:41.46 | Rucas | stop millenium falcon! |
| 05:41.46 | shivving | `-| |-' |
| 05:41.47 | sander | what about encryption?.. is that bulletproof? |
| 05:41.47 | shivving | `. ,'. .`. ,' |
| 05:41.48 | fisnomie | `-:,'o88o ,/ \. `.;-' |
| 05:41.48 | shivving | `--..__ /' ||888 `\ oo8;--' |
| 05:41.48 | tapacolo | `-888 // / ||ooo \ oo88 \\ __,-' |
| 05:41.49 | brk | tttt |
| 05:41.49 | shivving | ```-----''-----'''' |
| 05:41.49 | brk | tttt |
| 05:41.50 | *** kick/#debian [brk!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 05:41.50 | slackd00d | stouset: did i say official packages? |
| 05:41.53 | fooz | My god, it's full of stars! |
| 05:41.56 | mrhemlock | !ops we have 2 people in channle |
| 05:41.56 | fisnomie | :YMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM-M |
| 05:41.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: we have 2 people in channle |
| 05:41.57 | shivving | !!!!!YMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM-M--M |
| 05:41.58 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!"MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.-'- .'|| |
| 05:41.58 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!YMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM-:-:'| .-' || |
| 05:41.59 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M || .-' | | || |
| 05:41.59 | shivving | oooooooooo!!!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:41.59 | shivving | XXXXXXXXXXXb!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.00 | fisnomie | $$$$$$$$hdXb!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.00 | shivving | $$$$$$$$$pXb!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.00 | fisnomie | $$$$$$$$$dXb!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.01 | shivving | XXXXXXXXXXXb!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.01 | fisnomie | PPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!M || | | | || |
| 05:42.01 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M dm __ || | | | || |
| 05:42.02 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M `MM. _,MMb || | | | || |
| 05:42.02 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M `MMm ,MP' __ ,m || | | | || |
| 05:42.02 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!MMMMM!!!M `MMYMMF dMMoMMMMMM"MM || | | | || |
| 05:42.03 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!M###M!!!M dMMMMMMm. "' qMMMMMP ' || | ' ...-==| |
| 05:42.03 | stouset | slackd00d: No, you didn't. But the argument is the same. |
| 05:42.03 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!MMMMM!!!M YMMMMMMMP "MMMM" || .--''' dMM| |
| 05:42.04 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M `MMPP'. _mmMPmmmYMmmmm. || +---== `````"| |
| 05:42.06 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ,mMMMMMMMmMMMmMMMMMMMMMMMMMm8MPPM|| | | | || |
| 05:42.07 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ,dMMMMMb ' MMMMMMM' || | | | || |
| 05:42.07 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M dMMMMMMM$""'MMMM'MMMMMMMMM' || | | | || |
| 05:42.08 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ;MMP `MMM. MMMMMMM || | | | || |
| 05:42.08 | shakparl | hjk |
| 05:42.08 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M 8MM `MMP mmmmmmmmm || | | | || |
| 05:42.09 | slackd00d | why? |
| 05:42.09 | shakparl | jh |
| 05:42.10 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ' " dMMMMMMMMMb || | | | || |
| 05:42.11 | shakparl | khjk |
| 05:42.11 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ,MMMMMMMMMMMM || | | | || |
| 05:42.12 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M 'MMP MM8 || | | | || |
| 05:42.13 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M MMMMMMMMMMMMMY || | | | || |
| 05:42.13 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M MM$ 8Mb || | | | || |
| 05:42.14 | tapacolo | =================M YMM dM' || | | | || |
| 05:42.15 | shakparl | j |
| 05:42.16 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M ]M[ dM || | | | || |
| 05:42.16 | shivving | #################MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM`-.'-._ | | || |
| 05:42.16 | sander | woow.. never seen bots cooperate on drawing paintings |
| 05:42.17 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M [:dg:] `Mb YM || | | | || |
| 05:42.17 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' :: :: `-..`' | || |
| 05:42.18 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!' ::. ::. `-.,`-..|| |
| 05:42.18 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!!' :::: ::' `-| |
| 05:42.19 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!!!!' '::: ::' `-._ | |
| 05:42.19 | shivving | !!!!!!!!!!!' ::::: :::' | |
| 05:42.19 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!!!' '::::: :::' | |
| 05:42.20 | tapacolo | !!!!!!!!' ,::::: ::::' | |
| 05:42.21 | joey_ | wtf is going on here? |
| 05:42.23 | mwilson | slackd00d: From your nick, you think you're 'leet. Why don't you create them yourself? |
| 05:42.23 | fisnomie | !!!!!!!' ,:::::: ::::; | |
| 05:42.23 | shivving | !!!!' :::::::: ::::::' | |
| 05:42.24 | fisnomie | !!!!!!' ::::::: :::::\ | |
| 05:42.25 | shivving | !!!' :::::::: ::::::: | |
| 05:42.25 | stouset | slackd00d: Wasted effort. |
| 05:42.26 | tapacolo | !!' ::::::::: :::::::: | |
| 05:42.26 | tapacolo | ' ':::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::;:::. | |
| 05:42.26 | shivving | ;::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::' | |
| 05:42.27 | shivving | `;::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::' | |
| 05:42.27 | stouset | slackd00d: If you're desperate, check #debian-kde. |
| 05:42.28 | tapacolo | `:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ | |
| 05:42.29 | tapacolo | `:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ | |
| 05:42.29 | shivving | Y::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::' | |
| 05:42.29 | shivving | ____________________________;::::::::::::::::::::::::::::;___________| |
| 05:42.30 | tapacolo | |
| 05:42.31 | shivving | WHILE YOU'RE SLEEPING |
| 05:42.31 | tapacolo | MOMMY I'M GOING TO STAB YOU TO DEATH WITH THIS STRANGELY SHAPED KNIFE |
| 05:42.32 | tapacolo | SERIOUSLY IT'S A KNIFE NOT A TEDDY BEAR |
| 05:42.32 | shivving | |
| 05:42.33 | tapacolo | OR PERHAPS BLUNT INSTRUMENT OF SOME KIND WHICH IS REALLY CAPABLE |
| 05:42.34 | fisnomie | |
| 05:42.35 | shivving | LOOK WHY CAN'T YOU JUST TAKE MY WORD ON THIS IT'S REALLY A STABBING |
| 05:42.36 | tapacolo | OF DOING SERIOUS DAMAGE PARTICULARLY TO SOMEONE WHO IS UNCONSCIOUS |
| 05:42.37 | shivving | JESUS WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION EVERY TIME I BRING THIS |
| 05:42.37 | stouset | slackd00d: But really, is it all that important? It was released a few days ago. |
| 05:42.37 | slackd00d | mwilson: how is that? my nick is a joke |
| 05:42.38 | fisnomie | |
| 05:42.39 | shivving | UP YES I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A HARMLESS FUZZY TEDDY BEAR BUT |
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| 05:42.41 | fisnomie | IT REALLY IS A LETHAL INSTRUMENT PARTICULARLY WHEN USED BY A TRAINED |
| 05:42.42 | shivving | |
| 05:42.44 | fisnomie | PROFESSIONAL |
| 05:42.44 | shivving | NO I'M NOT A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL I'M A GODDAMN THREE YEAR OLD BUT |
| 05:42.47 | fisnomie | I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT |
| 05:42.49 | fisnomie | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:42.50 | mwilson | slackd00d: Yes, it certainly is. |
| 05:42.57 | slackd00d | you must think your "elite" because i just asked a question and you try and talk shit |
| 05:42.59 | fooz | hehe |
| 05:43.00 | fisnomie | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:43.01 | fisnomie | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:43.04 | fisnomie | irc.freenode.net |
| 05:43.04 | *** kick/#debian [fisnomie!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 05:43.06 | mrhemlock | !lol |
| 05:43.06 | stouset | For those who are still wondering what all the spam is, may I introduce you to the /ignore feature. |
| 05:43.07 | dpkg | stands for Laughs Out Loud, also Lamer On Line. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 05:43.11 | pureone | mmmmmmmmmm spam |
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| 05:43.13 | slackd00d | must think your cool for being mean to people on irc |
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| 05:43.35 | zosis | great |
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| 05:43.37 | brk | tttt |
| 05:43.37 | Rucas | holy fuck pi |
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| 05:43.39 | zosis | wtf |
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| 05:43.41 | pureone | maybe the irc.freenode.net bots have had enough? |
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| 05:43.56 | mrhemlock | is help comming ? |
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| 05:43.58 | pureone | there rebelling against there masters |
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| 05:44.00 | Lord-Cereburus | hope so |
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| 05:44.03 | fooz | use your /ignore |
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| 05:44.06 | nvz | mrhemlock: there is no help |
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| 05:44.14 | zosis | some kick thoes asses |
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| 05:44.23 | fisnomie | ____ ____ |
| 05:44.23 | shivving | / --.| |.-- \ |
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| 05:44.25 | gladdies | /,---|| ||---.\ |
| 05:44.25 | gladdies | // || || \\ |
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| 05:44.26 | gladdies | //,' `. || || ,'||`.\\ |
| 05:44.27 | tapacolo | //( \`--|)|| ||( \'| )\\ |
| 05:44.27 | shivving | // `.-_,' ||________|| `.-_,' \\ |
| 05:44.27 | shivving | // | || _| || \\ |
| 05:44.28 | gladdies | // | || | .. | || \\ |
| 05:44.28 | gladdies | // | || | :: | || \\ |
| 05:44.29 | shivving | / __ 888|| | _ | || __ \ |
| 05:44.30 | gladdies | / ( ,-._ | |888|| | -| | || |_| ( |==) \ |
| 05:44.31 | fisnomie | ____ ____ |
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| 05:44.31 | nvz | only thing you can do right now is moderate the channel |
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| 05:44.36 | shivving | //,' `. || || ,'||`.\\ |
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| 05:44.37 | shivving | //( \`--|)|| ||( \'| )\\ |
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| 05:44.39 | fisnomie | // | || | .. | || \\ |
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| 05:44.39 | pandom | does debian mutt support pop? |
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| 05:44.42 | gladdies | / ( ,-._ | |888|| | -| | || |_| ( |==) \ |
| 05:44.42 | nvz | and nobody here looking can do it, or it would have been done |
| 05:44.43 | mrhemlock | take voices |
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| 05:44.55 | gladdies | // | || | .. | || \\ |
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| 05:44.55 | miyo | pandom: Yes, it does. |
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| 05:44.57 | tapacolo | / ,'|_'. _ 888|| | | | || _ ,'-.`. \ |
| 05:44.57 | shivving | / ( ,-._ | |888|| | -| | || |_| ( |==) \ |
| 05:44.57 | shivving | / `O__,'|_|8@ || | [| | |@ |_| `._|,' \ |
| 05:44.58 | gladdies | / __..|--| | )| | |--|_|__ \ ,==. |
| 05:44.59 | gladdies | / __,--'' | | | | | ``--.__ \ //[]\\ |
| 05:44.59 | shivving | / ,::::' |-=| | | |::::.. `-. \ //||||\\ |
| 05:44.59 | mwilson | pandom: What does the documentation say? |
| 05:44.59 | shivving | / ,-'::::: ..::| | /| | |:::::::: `-. \ ||,' `.|| |
| 05:44.59 | gladdies | / ,' '' ::::::| | \| | | '':::: oo `. \ |--------| |
| 05:45.01 | bvs | just use ignore like everybody else, not that hard :) |
| 05:45.01 | gladdies | /,' ,'\ :::'''|] | | | | .... o8888o `.\ |:::_[[[[] |
| 05:45.01 | shivving | /' ,' ) |> | | | [| :::::: 88888 .. \ | | ] |
| 05:45.03 | gladdies | .' o ,' \_/ | :| \| |.[| o8888o ::;-' ,' | |
| 05:45.04 | shivving | / ,' | |] |=_| | [| '::::'oo 8 :::: \-' |---| |
| 05:45.05 | gladdies | ,' o88,' `._/:\| | :| | |: | 88888888 ,-' \ _,-' | |
| 05:45.06 | shivving | ,' 8888 ''--"" || || [| || || ,-' _,-' \ _::' |
| 05:45.06 | upcheers | | 8888 ``--'|::::| |_:| | |:_| 8888 ,-' \ ,-' .::_,-' |
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| 05:45.08 | gladdies | |' 88o =====,,--..===== .-' ,-' \ _::' `| |
| 05:45.09 | shivving | | 888888o ,-'\ /`-. \ \-' . _,-' | |
| 05:45.10 | gladdies | __|_____`=======._____ / \ [HHHH[=====- `'__.======='_____|__ |
| 05:45.11 | shivving | `---._____ 888888888 ,' / [HHHH[=====- \ |_::' _____.---' |
| 05:45.12 | gladdies | {I | _______________ || / /\/____\/\:. \ || _______________ | I} |
| 05:45.14 | tapacolo | {I_|____________o8o___|| \ /: /\ /\ \: / ||__________________|_I} |
| 05:45.14 | fisnomie | [I | :___]__[_______ ||( / _.._ \:. )|| ______]___[___: | I] |
| 05:45.15 | shivving | |_____,------' \/:' \ \/ / \/:.. 88`-------._____| |
| 05:45.17 | wishes | wtf? |
| 05:45.17 | fisnomie | .---' :::::: `. [||||] ,' '::.. `---. |
| 05:45.18 | tapacolo | | '::..:: ,' `-. ,-' `. ':' | |
| 05:45.18 | shivving | |. .:::'' ,' __ ``--'' __ `. .::. ,| |
| 05:45.18 | shivving | | ''' ,' ,'||`. __ ,'||`. `. '::::. | |
| 05:45.19 | gladdies | | ,' (||||||) ,'||`. (||||||) 88. '::::. | |
| 05:45.19 | joey_ | ok feels better with /ignore thanks |
| 05:45.19 | gladdies | `. ,' `.||,' (||||||) `.||,' 88888. ':' ,' |
| 05:45.20 | tapacolo | | ,' __ `.||,' __ 88 `. | |
| 05:45.21 | shivving | `. ,' (||||||) ,'||`. (||||||) `. ,' |
| 05:45.22 | tapacolo | `. ,' ,'||`. __ ,'||`. `. ,' |
| 05:45.22 | shivving | \ ,' `.||,' (||||||) `.||,' `. / |
| 05:45.23 | gladdies | `. | `.||,' | ,' |
| 05:45.23 | gladdies | `-| |-' |
| 05:45.23 | shivving | `. ,'. .`. ,' |
| 05:45.24 | gladdies | `-888 // / ||ooo \ oo88 \\ __,-' |
| 05:45.25 | shivving | `-:,'o88o ,/ \. `.;-' |
| 05:45.26 | Rucas | just /ignore ????????!*@* |
| 05:45.26 | Lord-Cereburus | now they're doing some kind of ascii art |
| 05:45.26 | gladdies | `--..__ /' ||888 `\ oo8;--' |
| 05:45.26 | mwilson | pandom: For that matter, what does the bloody *package description* say? |
| 05:45.27 | Lord-Cereburus | =\ |
| 05:45.27 | upcheers | ```-----''-----'''' |
| 05:45.28 | homer2 | what the shit |
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| 05:45.31 | joey_ | what were they gaining from posting that stuff? |
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| 05:45.52 | sander | ignore works |
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| 05:45.53 | wishes | hex? binary? |
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| 05:46.03 | nvz | peterS: I figure, but I wanted to see whats up :P |
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| 05:46.11 | stouset | Hey guys, commenting on the spam doesn't help anything. /ignore it and get on with your life. |
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| 05:46.11 | intrade | kik the bastard bots |
| 05:46.12 | pandom | !ops |
| 05:46.13 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 05:46.13 | pandom | !ops flooding |
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| 05:46.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooding |
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| 05:46.19 | Rucas | !ops holy fuck pi |
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| 05:46.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: holy fuck pi |
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| 05:46.21 | Dewi | oh noes! he's not dissing linux, so we can't ban him! |
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| 05:46.30 | pureone | !ops major spam |
| 05:46.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: major spam |
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| 05:46.39 | Noob2Debian | wtf is going on here |
| 05:46.42 | nvz | Please, lets not badger the bots, the network staff is aware of the problem |
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| 05:46.59 | zosis | ok thats better |
| 05:47.00 | peterS | Noob2Debian: somebody is 14 and frustrated that they can't get hold of alcohol or get laid |
| 05:47.03 | mwilson | nvz: Got the file converted? |
| 05:47.03 | pureone | noob2debian the bots have come for you |
| 05:47.04 | homer2 | LOL |
| 05:47.05 | wishes | lol |
| 05:47.08 | brk | whew |
| 05:47.09 | wishes | mwilson, :D |
| 05:47.11 | wishes | ltns |
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| 05:47.18 | Lord-Cereburus | ahhhhh |
| 05:47.21 | Lord-Cereburus | nice and quiet |
| 05:47.27 | pureone | thats one for the books |
| 05:47.31 | Noob2Debian | lol I have nothing to hide ... this is my first week on irc so scuse me . if im ignorant to it |
| 05:47.36 | zosis | anyone had anyluck with the intel 2200BG wireless card? |
| 05:47.44 | stouset | zosis: Yes. |
| 05:47.46 | intrade | Widhes yu op on debian? |
| 05:47.56 | mwilson | pandom: Well? |
| 05:47.57 | pandom | !ops flooding |
| 05:47.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooding |
| 05:47.59 | renegad3 | who put your nickers in a twist Noob2Debian |
| 05:48.09 | Noob2Debian | im not twisted .. |
| 05:48.12 | renegad3 | X |
| 05:48.13 | Noob2Debian | =) |
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| 05:48.20 | renegad3 | :D |
| 05:48.22 | sander | im actually scanning my whole hd now.. for inodes |
| 05:48.24 | zosis | stouset, do you have and documentation |
| 05:48.29 | nvz | mwilson: nope. I was installing vim, then lost track of whatever you said in that flood. plus it would be nice if I could understand the problem and resolve it in my script,a nd not have to just reformat the file in an editor. the first major function of my script is to reformat, then parse this shitty file.. so I'd like it to be able to work with what the county gives and correct this problem on its own |
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| 05:48.35 | sander | maybe ill find some lost files |
| 05:48.37 | wishes | lol |
| 05:48.38 | renegad3 | omg |
| 05:48.41 | Lord-Cereburus | oh not again |
| 05:48.42 | pandom | mwilson, sorry, hardly see |
| 05:48.43 | josePhoenix | did they stop on their own? or have they been silenced by the iron fist of the staff? |
| 05:48.45 | intrade | bann poodog |
| 05:48.58 | T-mac | debian question: when i start sapphire, my keyboard/trackpoint mouse won't work (laptop). the only way for it to work is to plug in a keyboard to the ps2 port until it loads, then then i can unplug it and use it all normally. any thoughts? |
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| 05:49.14 | mwilson | nvz: $ vim -u NONE voterfile.dst |
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| 05:49.21 | cottus | oh boy |
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| 05:49.23 | renegad3 | omfg |
| 05:49.23 | wishes | pie! |
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| 05:49.24 | pureone | !ops ban planched |
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| 05:49.27 | Lord-Cereburus | =\ |
| 05:49.27 | cottus | someone has a tiny tiny dick |
| 05:49.28 | renegad3 | wtf |
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| 05:49.32 | sander | damn. need to ignore them all again |
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| 05:49.34 | gloin | lol |
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| 05:49.41 | stouset | zosis: apt-get install ipw2200-source build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r`; cd /usr/src; tar xzf ipw2200-source.tar.gz; cd modules/ipw2200; debian/rules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` KVERS=`uname -r` |
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| 05:49.43 | renegad3 | jezz I could punch them right now! |
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| 05:49.44 | wishes | lol i just noticed the numbers are pie |
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| 05:49.45 | gloin | this has to be the stupidest bot flood I've ever seen in my life |
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| 05:49.48 | mwilson | nvz: :set expandtab |
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| 05:49.50 | wishes | err not that kinda pie |
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| 05:49.53 | cottus | yeah the number is pi |
| 05:49.56 | wishes | like math pi |
| 05:49.57 | wishes | yeah |
| 05:49.58 | mwilson | nvz: :retab 8 |
| 05:49.58 | wishes | :D |
| 05:50.02 | intrade | none got admin powr? |
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| 05:50.03 | pureone | mmm pi |
| 05:50.03 | mwilson | nvz: :wq |
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| 05:50.05 | mrhemlock | are we having fun yet |
| 05:50.05 | wishes | mmm pie |
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| 05:50.09 | wishes | hehe pureone |
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| 05:50.10 | wishes | snap |
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| 05:50.11 | Noob2Debian | seriously these are kids just screwing around ? |
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| 05:50.14 | T-mac | wtf |
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| 05:50.15 | Tabitha | ugh. |
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| 05:50.19 | lilo | yeah yeah yah |
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| 05:50.22 | lilo | right guys |
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| 05:50.27 | lilo | gimme sec |
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| 05:51.37 | llama32 | hi ppl |
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| 05:51.42 | lilo | okay, let's see what we have |
| 05:51.42 | ErrantEGo | lilo: /msg plz |
| 05:51.42 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks lilo :) |
| 05:51.42 | renegad3 | im looking to buy a new keyboard....im sick of using this crappy m$ keyboard and mouse.. is there a linux one I can use? ;) |
| 05:51.44 | josePhoenix | thank you, lilo! |
| 05:51.45 | Rucas | lovely |
| 05:51.49 | Lord-Cereburus | nice dude :) |
| 05:51.50 | cottus | thanks lilo |
| 05:51.53 | Lord-Cereburus | ahh quiet again :D |
| 05:51.54 | wishes | horay |
| 05:51.57 | lilo | (apologies to the channel staff for taking on inappropriate channel privileges) |
| 05:51.57 | Rucas | maybe we need to get grub in here too |
| 05:51.58 | sander | )) |
| 05:51.59 | llama32 | anyone know if/how i can get gnome to use xfce's window manager? |
| 05:52.06 | lilo | np folks, glad to help |
| 05:52.11 | pipeline | llama32: No. |
| 05:52.12 | stouset | zosis: Or you could have just read /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source/README.Debian and saved me all that thinking. |
| 05:52.17 | eggy | thank you lilo |
| 05:52.23 | lilo | np eggy |
| 05:52.26 | stouset | zosis: May I heartily recommend the /usr/share/doc folder. |
| 05:52.26 | pipeline | llama32: Most window managers will work fine with gnome. xfwm will not. |
| 05:52.31 | fooz | lilo, we'll never forgive you for that!!!1 |
| 05:52.36 | fooz | heh |
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| 05:52.45 | lilo | okay, if this happens again, message me |
| 05:52.48 | mwilson | pipeline: Funny, the xfce author thinks he's compatible with GNome. |
| 05:52.49 | stouset | We love you lilo. |
| 05:52.50 | lilo | I probably will be on a different window |
| 05:52.52 | Tabitha | I'm having an issue with server load that appears to correlate with the logrotate script being run and apache being restarted. I end up with the max servers and a load well into 100. This only seems to be an issue with the process is reloaded. Any idea what might be causing this and how I could go about fixing it? postrotate /etc/init.d/apache reload > /dev/null |
| 05:52.54 | sander | anyone know what kinda utils you need to get.. to be able to find data which is overwritten 5 times? |
| 05:52.55 | T-mac | thx lilo |
| 05:52.56 | lilo | stouset: well, I love you guys too ;) |
| 05:52.58 | Tabitha | (debian stable) |
| 05:53.00 | lilo | np T-mac |
| 05:53.06 | stouset | lilo: Even me? :-) That's hot. |
| 05:53.12 | Lord-Cereburus | lol |
| 05:53.18 | pipeline | mwilson: xfce works with gnome. xfwm does not. |
| 05:53.22 | Lord-Cereburus | i feel special :P |
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| 05:53.35 | stouset | sander: I didn't say overwrite the data five times. |
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| 05:53.45 | mrhemlock | sander they use ultra violet light i have heard |
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| 05:53.49 | mwilson | pipeline: I'm not even going to bother. |
| 05:53.52 | Lamorack | hi all =) |
| 05:53.59 | mwilson | pipeline: Enjoy your fantasy. |
| 05:54.02 | sander | stouset, write randome data? |
| 05:54.03 | stouset | sander: I *explicitly* said to write a random bit string, then compliment that bit string and write it, and do THAT five times. |
| 05:54.04 | Noob2Debian | back to my question.. would it be effectively unrecoverable if I wrote zeros to the drive 2 or 3 times then? |
| 05:54.30 | pipeline | mwilson: xfwm, running alone with a gnome-panel, flips out and attempts to start other xfce apps. |
| 05:54.30 | Lamorack | wich one is the name of the java vm in apt-get? |
| 05:54.30 | mwilson | nvz: Your conversion is a one time deal... your script shouldn't be dealing with it. |
| 05:54.35 | sander | stouset, yeah.. understand. but. how do they get it back? |
| 05:54.40 | Rucas | Lamorack: there is none |
| 05:54.40 | mwilson | Lamorack: None. Debian doesn't ship a Java VM. |
| 05:54.45 | Lamorack | aw |
| 05:54.48 | ayecee | Noob2Debian, 1 time is enough, unless your opponent has specialized equipment. |
| 05:54.49 | stouset | sander: for instance, `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/<harddrive>`, then somehow read those bits back, flip them all, and cat it back to the hard drive |
| 05:54.53 | Lamorack | so I should download in the site |
| 05:54.56 | Lamorack | thanks XD |
| 05:55.00 | stouset | sander: Space magic. They look at the writes "under" the newer writes. |
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| 05:55.24 | Rucas | one of the things i hate about debian is the repository stance on things like java and mplayer, where gentoo portage just fills it up with everything |
| 05:55.25 | stouset | sander: Like I said, even if you do that you're still not safe. If it's really that important to you, sand the platters, drill holes through them, and sink the thing in the bottom of the Atlantic. |
| 05:55.39 | ayecee | or just melt them down. that always works. |
| 05:55.43 | ayecee | mmm, entropy. |
| 05:55.43 | stouset | sander: If the NSA is really after you, are you really going to be stingy about just incinerating your drive? |
| 05:55.44 | Noob2Debian | LOL stouset |
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| 05:55.56 | sander | stouset, lol.. no. just want to know how it works. |
| 05:56.06 | Noob2Debian | Look up hard drive killer and let me know if that works .. i've always wondered |
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| 05:56.35 | sander | stouset, if I write over the data with randome strings one time.. is it possible to recover the data then.. without looking under the newer writes? |
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| 05:56.54 | ayecee | Noob2Debian, overkill, if opponent doesn't have equipment. somewhat effective if they do. |
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| 05:57.02 | pureone | if you really need to destroy a harddrive so no one can read it just burn it |
| 05:57.04 | nvz | mwilson: well that definatly works. |
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| 05:57.21 | sander | stouset, wondring about.. if normal police manage to recover data from an zeeroed drive. |
| 05:57.25 | ayecee | pureone, i wonder what the flash point of aluminum platters is :) |
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| 05:57.42 | Noob2Debian | thanks ayecee =) just wondering myself .. sander's started it .. lol |
| 05:57.43 | ayecee | sander, unlikely. |
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| 05:57.45 | stouset | sander: I repeat. If you're really that worried, do you really want to be stingy over the cost of a hard drive? |
| 05:58.06 | mwilson | Rucas: "repository stance"? |
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| 05:58.20 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 05:58.25 | sander | stouset, no.. if it was that important.. I whould by an new hd each day |
| 05:58.31 | tinex | how would I go about outputting everything in a file between <!-- BEGIN BODY OF ARTICLE --> and <!--- END BODY OF ARTICLE -->? |
| 05:58.38 | stouset | sander: If you're debating between having to buy a new hard drive and going to jail for five thousand years for some heinous crime, you need some perspective :-P |
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| 05:58.52 | liljenny | hay guys |
| 05:59.02 | sander | hehe. |
| 05:59.05 | mwilson | When we want to destroy HD's at work, we don't bother with scribbling on the partitions... we put them in the shear and dice them up. |
| 05:59.13 | pipeline | mwilson, llama32: Well, I just tried it, and xfwm4 makes multiple desktops non-functional in gnome. It really messes up the gnome-panel. |
| 05:59.16 | _llama32_ | can sum1 kick llama32 or something [its me] |
| 05:59.29 | fooz | _llama32_, no |
| 05:59.30 | _llama32_ | ah ok pipeline |
| 05:59.35 | liljenny | 93469837698749867924867982475698746794875698742698724987694876978459687458976948679845698724568975489769487984679847569874569745649067928467982579825798724572402947869028498745269749679284609257986257098762987672657892657907620789256789062578567890659070625798026578962782095607892657807809798652767570865708926478906270798697862479826700746267892679280798426789678786257829467890247890894OBERST IS GOD 590438590349856893759823749587390875982374589 |
| 05:59.38 | liljenny | 93469837698749867924867982475698746794875698742698724987694876978459687458976948679845698724568975489769487984679847569874569745649067928467982579825798724572402947869028498745269749679284609257986257098762987672657892657907620789256789062578567890659070625798026578962782095607892657807809798652767570865708926478906270798697862479826700746267892679280798426789678786257829467890247890894OBERST IS GOD 590438590349856893759823749587390875982374589 |
| 05:59.39 | mwilson | 90 tons of force makes confetti out of drives. |
| 05:59.44 | tinex | how do I grab everything between a 'foo' line and a 'bar' line from a file? |
| 05:59.45 | stouset | Damn. |
| 05:59.50 | fooz | heh |
| 05:59.53 | stouset | I didn't even have time to /msg lilo about her before she booted herself. |
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| 05:59.56 | lilo | whatever |
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| 06:00.00 | lilo | gimme a sec |
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| 06:00.38 | lilo | oh come on |
| 06:00.41 | ayecee | anyhow, i'm trying to set up a wep'ed wireless connection via /etc/network/interfaces, using the "wireless-key" keyword. strangely enough, dhcp is successful, but it loses the key shortly after.. ndiswrapper reports "key 1 is not set" in dmesg output |
| 06:00.43 | ErrantEGo | when will people get a clue? |
| 06:00.45 | sander | im just wondring.. if I write over the data 5 times.. its no point. couse those who manage to recover them after I write it one time.. will also manage 5 times.. or am I wrong? |
| 06:00.47 | tinex | liljenny is a guy :P |
| 06:00.50 | tinex | how do I grab everything between a 'foo' line and a 'bar' line from a file? |
| 06:00.57 | joey_ | tinex, i use jsh's fromline and toline: http://hwi.ath.cx/twiki/bin/view/Neuralyte/ProjectJsh |
| 06:00.59 | ayecee | sander, correct |
| 06:01.12 | tinex | joey_: thanks, i'll look into that |
| 06:01.21 | beu | lilo: staffersnack :) |
| 06:01.24 | ayecee | sander, it would make it marginally more difficult, but nothing you can rely on. |
| 06:01.40 | stouset | sander: There's not a script that'll do it. There's no firmware in the hard drive controller that can do it, because it's not intended to. But police departments and government agencies have labs that can do it. Even smaller police departments can just farm it out to another agency. |
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| 06:02.22 | ayecee | any tips on my disappearing wep key? :) |
| 06:02.22 | stouset | sander: Not necessarily. |
| 06:02.29 | sander | stouset, yeah.. but theese new police sets.. which takes backup of the hd.. wont work that way. |
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| 06:02.50 | pureone | ive never got wep to work with linux and i give up trying for now |
| 06:02.51 | stouset | sander: Each successive write would increase the difficulty, time, and/or money required to do it. But then we get back to the whole point about perspective :-) |
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| 06:02.54 | Noob2Debian | well .. if your wondering sander I used gateway's gwscan to write zeros to this drive when I installed sarge yesterday for the first time in my life |
| 06:03.12 | sander | but how much harder is it to recover data after a zeero.. than writing xored bits.. or what you said? |
| 06:03.20 | ayecee | pureone, it works fine. when the key disappears, i just have to iwconfig the key again, and then it sticks |
| 06:03.27 | dondelelcaro | sander: much more difficult. |
| 06:03.31 | stouset | sander: If they just image the drive, you're fine since that relies on the hard drive controller. But I've heard of police departments just sending the drive off to a well-equipped forensics lab. |
| 06:03.37 | pureone | hmm thats odd ayecee |
| 06:03.45 | llama32 | anyone know of a comparison of features/speed/etc. of gnome/nautilus/gtk vs. kde/konq/qt? |
| 06:03.49 | ayecee | sander, not much. bits aren't stored 1 for 1 on the drive, they're run-length encoded. |
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| 06:04.01 | dondelelcaro | sander: it requires imaging the drive directly, which is extreemly difficult, and also requires that the track width has shrunk noticeably during the lifetime of the drive. |
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| 06:04.32 | ayecee | pureone, indeed. |
| 06:04.34 | stouset | sander: If you just use zeroes, they can easily determine which set of bits is the one "on top" and the one "on bottom" (note the quotes, since this isn't entirely in the literal sense) because 1s are guaranteed to be good data, and the rest are clearly zeros. |
| 06:04.40 | dondelelcaro | sander: if this is something that you're really worried about, the proper mechanism is to use something like wipe a few times, then destroy the disk using H2SO4 or similar. |
| 06:04.49 | ayecee | dondelelcaro, no different than just writing zeros to the drive. |
| 06:05.10 | cottus | everytime you write over the data, the tiny magnetic dots have enough wiggle in their resolution to introduce more and more magnetic fuzz to underlying data, it definitely increases cost/time, but yes, it can be done. |
| 06:05.22 | cottus | but who would want to |
| 06:05.25 | ayecee | pureone: so i'm wondering about the sequence of commands that are issued by ifup, i guess. |
| 06:05.32 | cottus | i mean what data are you so worried about |
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| 06:05.46 | dondelelcaro | ayecee: wipe is quite a bit different than writing zeros to the drive. |
| 06:06.09 | sander | dondelelcaro, as ive said several times.. im not worried about it... but just want to know it.. so know the basics.. about how it work. so I eg. can recover my own data |
| 06:06.11 | jim | dondelelcaro: is it electrically different? |
| 06:06.14 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Assuming we're talking about wiping hard drives, the way the govt usually does it is screwdriver -> chisel -> sledge -> fire. |
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| 06:06.18 | stouset | As a very, very dramatic simplification, say you can retrieve both the "top" bit and the "bottom" bit on the recovered drive. You recover: 00 10 01 00 00 01 00 01 01 00 10 00 10 10 10 01 00 00. |
| 06:06.29 | sander | anyway.. if I delete a file.. it wont be overwritten by the os right away?.. but when will that be done? |
| 06:06.37 | ayecee | dondelelcaro, if writing zeros isn't a wipe, writing xor'ed bits isn't a wipe either. |
| 06:06.41 | stouset | It's trivial to see that the "original" bit string is 011001011010111100. |
| 06:06.42 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: that's actually not correct. |
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| 06:06.50 | Tabitha | sander: stop downloading porn. Problem solved. |
| 06:07.04 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: s/government/backwoods\ indiana\ government/ |
| 06:07.05 | ayecee | sander, whenever :) |
| 06:07.08 | Noob2Debian | deleting a file is nothing the first two bites simply get changed to ' available space here !) |
| 06:07.11 | llama32 | haha |
| 06:07.19 | jim | sander: when those sectors are allocated by some proicess |
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| 06:07.25 | stouset | sander: It's indeterminate. When you delete a file, it just deletes the entry from the filesystem, not from the drive itself. When it gets written over again is a matter of luck. |
| 06:07.42 | peterS | tinex: if nobody has told you about sed yet: sed -ne '/foo/,/bar/p' filename |
| 06:07.50 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: the technique used (last time I checked) for 14" aluminum platters in the USN is various write to wipe passes, then H2SO4 to remove the magnetic coating, then shred the aluminum platter. |
| 06:08.04 | Noob2Debian | writing the zeros is more like what they call low level formatting .. but according to these bright people .. still recoverable |
| 06:08.04 | peterS | tinex: note - foo and bar are regular expressions, not simple strings, there |
| 06:08.06 | joey_ | peterS, wish i'd seen that a long time ago ;) |
| 06:08.19 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I imagine that H2SO4 is much cheaper than two guys and a lot of chiselling. |
| 06:08.25 | nvz | some (most? all?) journalizing filesystems will actually use the last deleted block for the next write |
| 06:08.32 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Doesn't take a bright person to see it :-) It doesn't add any entropy to the data. |
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| 06:08.41 | dondelelcaro | ayecee: that depends on the media itself, and the way in which it's written. |
| 06:08.42 | fooz | no. low level formatting is something else |
| 06:08.42 | jim | Noob2Debian: no, writing zeros isn't llf |
| 06:08.49 | sander | stouset, ok.. I got a drive with maybe 400mb of data out of 4gb.. wont it be pretty hard to find those data again? |
| 06:08.54 | stouset | dondelelcaro: What's H2SO4, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 06:09.03 | sander | stouset, pretty sure theyre not overwritten. |
| 06:09.03 | dondelelcaro | stouset: sulfuric acid |
| 06:09.06 | fooz | low level formatting creates the tracks and sectors on a soft-sectored drive |
| 06:09.06 | Noob2Debian | some chemical |
| 06:09.08 | stouset | stouset: Not necessarily. |
| 06:09.10 | peterS | stouset: sulfuric acid. pretty strong stuff |
| 06:09.18 | jim | the fact you can write the zeros shows the drive is properly llfed... you are writing the zseros on the result of the llf |
| 06:09.23 | sander | stouset, but still.. the inodes show up as they dosnt exist. |
| 06:09.34 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Ah, should have remembered that from high school Chemistry...SO4 is clearly a "furic" acid... |
| 06:09.40 | sander | stouset, with an util, which shows an given inode. |
| 06:09.43 | stouset | her |
| 06:09.45 | stouset | HO4 |
| 06:09.47 | stouset | er, even |
| 06:10.12 | Noob2Debian | makes me wish I had a spare drive to test that on lol |
| 06:10.31 | ayecee | the principle behind wiping a drive is alternating the magnetic field at a given location. RLL encoding makes that difficult, it's not just a matter of writing xor'ed data to the drive - your bits are alternated, but the representation on disk is not what you'd think it'd be. |
| 06:10.50 | stouset | ayecee: Hadn't thought about that, you're right. |
| 06:11.07 | jim | Noob2Debian: if you just write zeros to all the sectors, you end up with a blank drive without a partition table or boot record |
| 06:11.07 | stouset | ayecee: guess you've gotta figure out some way to match the RLL encodings :-) If it's even possible to do so... |
| 06:11.20 | Noob2Debian | yes jim thats right |
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| 06:11.25 | stouset | ayecee: Might be interesting to see if there are some complements of RLL encodings that are simply not possible to exist. |
| 06:11.43 | ayecee | stouset, you'd have to know the RLL encoding scheme used by the drive. fortunately there's not that many.. people have worked out patterns that should be reasonably effective. |
| 06:11.48 | ayecee | but xor isn't one of them :) |
| 06:11.51 | stouset | Hehe |
| 06:12.28 | jim | Noob2Debian: the llf writes these things called "address marks" and "data marks" which show where are the sectors and where you read to get the sector ID |
| 06:12.31 | stouset | ayecee: Aye, I'd forgotten that modern hard drives use RLL encodings for the higher reliability without compromising space. I'm curious though if there are some encoded bit strings that are "impossible". |
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| 06:12.41 | sander | any program using a good pattern.. which works better than xor? |
| 06:12.53 | ayecee | given the fact that the head wanders a bit while writing, it's not even necessarily that effective of a technique anyways. |
| 06:12.57 | stouset | ayecee: It's probably obvious if there are or aren't by looking at the algorithm, but I would need to do that :-) |
| 06:13.16 | stouset | sander: holy crap, destroy the data already. |
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| 06:13.31 | ayecee | stouset, you mean, on the drive? well, if you see a whole sequence of zeros or ones, it's impossible :) |
| 06:13.31 | pureone | lol |
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| 06:13.43 | sander | hehe. |
| 06:13.46 | stouset | sander: You're probably already screwed by the NSA agents listening in on this conversation and listening in on the bugs in your house. |
| 06:13.54 | Noob2Debian | interesting .. sure does take a dang long time for writing the zeros to complete . even on a small drive |
| 06:13.56 | sander | loool... |
| 06:13.59 | sander | I know. |
| 06:14.08 | stouset | Noob2Debian: because it's writing the full length of data your hard drive can store. |
| 06:14.08 | redduck666 | i'm trying to convert an ext2 partition to ext3. i run tune2fs -j /dev/hda5 and than e2fsck /dev/hda5 and restarted my computer. according to /etc/fstab my partition is still ext2. any help appriciated |
| 06:14.08 | dondelelcaro | sander: again, use wipe. The standard mode has 26 patterns plus 8 which are totally random |
| 06:14.15 | sander | so im sure they knock on my door.. before I get the time to wipe my disc |
| 06:14.15 | ayecee | especially on a small drive.. they tend to be older and slower.. |
| 06:14.16 | sander | lol |
| 06:14.29 | ayecee | dondelelcaro, ah, that sounds better. |
| 06:14.32 | pureone | just burn it much easyer |
| 06:14.40 | stouset | redduck666: Change /etc/fstab to say ext3 :-) |
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| 06:15.18 | ayecee | heck, even writing to the drive enough times should help to deal with the occasional head wander. |
| 06:15.18 | redduck666 | stouset, i'm a n00b, so i'm not sure if that was a joke or not |
| 06:15.20 | Noob2Debian | well thanks for that bit of information it was interesting to say the least |
| 06:15.20 | sander | ive read about feds manage to crack crypting algoritmn and stuff.. is that true for normal aes encryption too? |
| 06:15.21 | dondelelcaro | it's still not foolproof, but it's better than whatever else has been suggested |
| 06:15.34 | jim | sander: there any reason why "they" would want the data on your drive? |
| 06:15.41 | mwilson | redduck666: If you don't edit /etc/fstab, exactly how do you expect it to get changed? |
| 06:15.47 | ayecee | sander, who knows? it's not like they'd tell us if they could. |
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| 06:15.50 | fooz | jim, he downloaded a copyrighted mp3! |
| 06:15.53 | stouset | Interestingly, according to the manpage, "A technique called Magnetic Force Microscopy (MFM) allows any moderately funded opponent to redcover the last two or three layers of data written to disk." |
| 06:15.53 | stouset | So it looks like 4+ might be able to thwart a "moderatelyfunded" organization. |
| 06:15.55 | Dull404 | hey :P |
| 06:15.58 | jim | oh |
| 06:16.05 | stouset | redduck666: No, it's not. /etc/fstab says ext2? |
| 06:16.05 | pureone | one of the first computers made was to crack encryption so i think the goverment can crack anything you through at them |
| 06:16.05 | fooz | jim, i'm joking. |
| 06:16.12 | redduck666 | mwilson, i thought that those two commands are going to change it |
| 06:16.13 | Dull404 | anyone know if its possible to run ftp via another port then default? with vsftpd ?? |
| 06:16.18 | sander | ayecee, ive read about an pretty open thingie. which most feds in all countries can buy.. |
| 06:16.19 | jim | you know my history pretty well... |
| 06:16.20 | Dull404 | like 5000 or something |
| 06:16.25 | stouset | redduck666: /etc/fstab is simply what controls the options that are given to mount. So if you tell it to use ext3, it'll use ext3. |
| 06:16.25 | mwilson | redduck666: Why would they? |
| 06:16.31 | ayecee | sander, thinking of the des cracker, probalby. |
| 06:16.34 | sander | ayecee, not like people dosnt know about it. |
| 06:16.37 | pureone | http://www.gchq.gov.uk/ << intresting site |
| 06:16.48 | dondelelcaro | pureone: not necessarily true, unless rather significant advances in factoring have been withheld from public knowledge. (Doubtfull) |
| 06:16.51 | Panzerboy | hi all |
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| 06:17.06 | sander | ayecee, yeah.. prolly.. so normal hd encryption is no problem at all. |
| 06:17.19 | Panzerboy | any idea how can i _not_ upgrade a certain package that appears in the list when i do an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 06:17.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell Panzerboy about hold |
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| 06:17.35 | stouset | sander: Encryption is probably no problem at all because they wouldn't have a hard time of getting your private key. |
| 06:17.44 | ayecee | sander, nobody uses single des anymore. the machine you saw described was just to demonstrate that it's no longer reasonably secure. |
| 06:17.47 | mwilson | Why these people think they should be using unstable... |
| 06:17.53 | jbAU | anyone have any recommendations for password hash's? cyrpt or ssha? I'm deciding for my openldap |
| 06:18.05 | Panzerboy | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 06:18.10 | sander | stouset, and how whould they do that? |
| 06:18.12 | stouset | Unless you wipe it, dissolve it in sulfuric acid, submerge it in the Atlantic, and summon a fleet of Vogons to destroy the planet. |
| 06:18.30 | ayecee | sander: rubber hose cryptography :) |
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| 06:18.39 | ayecee | (they beat you with a rubber hose until you give them the key) |
| 06:18.39 | peterS | stouset: oh, is that the only way to be sure, nowadays? |
| 06:18.43 | sander | stouset, what if its an string I remember? |
| 06:18.46 | redduck666 | mvilson, stouset thanks |
| 06:18.53 | stouset | sander: They're a three-letter government agency. They have some guy take your USB stick out of your pocket when you aren't paying attention. Or they crack your machine and take it. Or whatever. |
| 06:18.54 | Noob2Debian | ouch |
| 06:19.20 | dondelelcaro | ah, conspiracy theorists are abounding... |
| 06:19.32 | mwilson | It's only a theory if it's not fact. |
| 06:19.36 | ayecee | me, i'm worried about the four-letter government agencies.. |
| 06:19.37 | sander | stouset, yep. thats the only way if ive crypted the hd. |
| 06:19.38 | stouset | sander: Once again, if you're worried about it, wiping the drive, encrypting your data, and feeding your private key to a vat of acid is the *least* you would want to do. |
| 06:19.39 | Noob2Debian | or they give you a job .... in some front business and take all your info via keyloggers =) |
| 06:19.39 | jim | stouset: USB? |
| 06:19.41 | peterS | stouset: honestly, a hardware keylogger sitting unobtrusively between your keyboard plug and your PS/2 port is awfully simple to execute and, short-term, unlikely to be detected |
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| 06:19.54 | jbAU | ssha vs crypt? anyone have any comments? |
| 06:19.58 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: You know quite well that a government, any government, has no morals. |
| 06:20.00 | sander | vat of acid?.. how can I read it then? |
| 06:20.13 | ayecee | jbAU, i'm sure either will do the job. |
| 06:20.14 | jim | sander: bob for it! |
| 06:20.22 | ayecee | jbAU, flip a coin :) |
| 06:20.23 | stouset | sander: You're sadly naive if you think that's the only way. |
| 06:20.28 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: And certainly no ethics. |
| 06:20.30 | sander | lol.. |
| 06:20.32 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: morals are merely convenient fictions anyway, as are ethics. |
| 06:20.35 | jbAU | ayecee coin flipped - ssha it is! |
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| 06:20.39 | stouset | peterS: Even that's not 100%. Remember, at that point it's only highly improbable your data will ever be recovered. I'm sure you know about Improbability Drives. |
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| 06:20.49 | ayecee | mwilson, of course, because government is made of people, and people have no morals :) |
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| 06:21.25 | sander | peterS, then you need a keyboard with encryption |
| 06:21.32 | pureone | the goverment are people? i thought they were robots of maybe even aliens :O |
| 06:21.35 | sander | dosnt that exist? |
| 06:21.53 | peterS | sander: a keyboard with encryption? how would you type your passphrase in to the OS? (: |
| 06:21.55 | ayecee | sander, sure. they call it "dvorak" |
| 06:21.57 | Noob2Debian | doesnt look like karsten is going to be on tonight .. could someone please hold my hand a bit getting my sound to work ? (getting back to debian help topics) =) |
| 06:21.58 | jfergus | Why does screen display graphic characters in some apps but not others? i.e. centericq and mc have no problems but links2 and elinks do |
| 06:21.58 | dondelelcaro | sander: some part has plaintext, and you attack at that point. |
| 06:22.05 | stouset | sander: It might be the only way for four years, it might be the only way *you* know about, or it might even actually somehow be the only way whatsoever. But you're still being an idiot if you're not scattering the individual atoms of your drive into the wind from seven geographically-diverse countries. |
| 06:22.10 | dondelelcaro | Noob2Debian: have you followed the instructions in /msg dpkg audio; yet? |
| 06:22.20 | sander | peterS, an protocol which is encrypted.. from the keyboard.. to the pc |
| 06:22.28 | Noob2Debian | I waited for the message that nver came |
| 06:22.35 | peterS | sander: yes, and who decrypts the protocol? your hardware? or your OS? |
| 06:22.35 | stouset | Noob2Debian: So it's in fact not working? |
| 06:22.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell Noob2Debian about audio |
| 06:22.51 | Noob2Debian | correct got it that time .. going to read |
| 06:23.14 | sander | peterS, does that matter, as long as its inside your pc, which is locked? |
| 06:23.18 | jbAU | 9/join #ldap |
| 06:23.27 | jbAU | awesome thanks, i think i'll stick with SSHA |
| 06:23.33 | Noob2Debian | just to be sure .. this the same procedure for sarge cuz its talking about woody =) |
| 06:23.38 | peterS | sander: it matters in terms of password management |
| 06:23.45 | stouset | Noob2Debian: According to someone else. |
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| 06:23.54 | Noob2Debian | k |
| 06:24.04 | sander | peterS, atleast your keyboard encrypts is.. and I guess its software which decrypts it. |
| 06:24.08 | peterS | sander: if decryption is done in hardware, why couldn't the keylogger do exactly the same thing? |
| 06:24.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: have you seen the linux world expo debian tshirt for 2005? |
| 06:24.23 | dondelelcaro | Noob2Debian: the procedure is the same. load the module, add yourself to the audio group, install alsa-base and alsamixer; etc. |
| 06:24.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nope |
| 06:24.35 | deadcat | doh |
| 06:24.39 | stouset | sander: Let's put it this way. Steven Hawking recently gave significant proof that even data entering black holes could be recovered, in theory. |
| 06:24.51 | jbAU | bottom line is that if a person has physical access to a machine then it's gameover for encryption and security |
| 06:24.51 | pureone | lol |
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| 06:25.27 | sander | jbAU, ill go for screenlock.. and automaticly unmount of encrypted hds |
| 06:25.40 | jbAU | stouset yes but Steven Hawking is just setting himself up for a new business, data retrieval from blackholes |
| 06:25.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how do you get to be a volunteer at the booth last year anyway? |
| 06:25.43 | sander | after maybe half an hour |
| 06:26.09 | sander | who whould hire a guy doing that |
| 06:26.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just join debian-events-na@lists.debian.org, and volunteer at the appropriate time. |
| 06:26.14 | karsten | seen Noob2Debian |
| 06:26.17 | sander | :-9 |
| 06:26.27 | karsten | !seen Noob2Debian |
| 06:26.28 | dpkg | noob2debian is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 2m 32s |
| 06:26.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah... |
| 06:26.37 | jbAU | !seen jbAU |
| 06:26.38 | peterS | jbAU: he ought to set himself up to recover homework from dog GI tracts |
| 06:26.38 | dpkg | jbau is currently on #debian (9m 13s). Has said a total of 70 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 06:26.39 | sander | !seen sander |
| 06:26.40 | dpkg | sander is currently on #debian (1h 32m 36s). Has said a total of 68 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 06:26.40 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: or remind me when it gets closer, and I'll make sure you know about the wiki |
| 06:26.44 | peterS | jbAU: much more data is allegedly lost *that* way |
| 06:26.49 | dondelelcaro | you guys can *MSG* the bot. |
| 06:26.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:27.07 | deadcat | karsten: you going this year? |
| 06:27.12 | Noob2Debian | lol .. I am going to use that to get him to log on every time now =) |
| 06:27.15 | jbAU | peterS I'm sure the NSA already have that market cornered :) |
| 06:27.19 | karsten | deadcat: LWESF? |
| 06:27.23 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:27.27 | sander | been flaming about security a while now. need to take a break:-) |
| 06:27.29 | stouset | sander: jbAU is dead-on. Physical access trumps all. Just because you don't know how to recover that data doesn't mean nobody else does. Your safest bet is to put every obstacle theoretically possible in their way. Vaporize the thing and pour it into a few oceans, and they probably won't be able to recover enough of it to even begin forensic testing. At least, with our currently level of technology. Doing that might even be enough to ens |
| 06:27.29 | karsten | deadcat: NFC. If I'm alive, prolly. |
| 06:27.38 | deadcat | !nfc |
| 06:27.39 | dpkg | somebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 06:27.41 | stouset | jbAU: ROFL |
| 06:27.54 | karsten | Noob2Debian: How's tricks? |
| 06:28.06 | Noob2Debian | working on gettnig some sound so i can listen to cd' |
| 06:28.07 | Noob2Debian | s |
| 06:28.18 | sander | stouset, but I want to use the data sometimes too.. |
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| 06:28.29 | jbAU | yay i'm dead-on, now i have to leave you all. Good bye cruel world! |
| 06:28.31 | jbAU | exit |
| 06:28.35 | sander | stouset, I cant just trow away data.. and never get the chance of reading it. |
| 06:28.40 | sander | throw |
| 06:28.46 | karsten | Noob2Debian: Hrm. That shouldn't take sound config. CD audio generally bypasses your soundcard. |
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| 06:28.56 | stouset | sander: You can if the alternative is getting pounded in the rear end by a guy named Bruno in the federal penitentiary. |
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| 06:29.05 | stouset | sander: AND not being able to read the data. |
| 06:29.21 | sander | lol.. yeah. |
| 06:29.22 | peterS | karsten: often it requires loading a sound driver so you can run the mixer on your sound card, though |
| 06:29.30 | karsten | peterS: Point. |
| 06:29.39 | deadcat | i want a HUGE debian sticker for my car's front hood (= or a penguin |
| 06:29.54 | stouset | sander: Alternatively, you could script the whole thing. The minute you think the Illuminati is on your tail, do a /usr/local/sbin/blowup. Perl would be the language of your choice, obviously. |
| 06:29.56 | llama32 | i want to start contributing to something open source, im good with c. anyone reccomend a not-too-complex project that needs more coders? |
| 06:30.13 | stouset | sander: I think Perl 6 has support for invoking sulfuric acid and burning physical objects. |
| 06:30.13 | ikaro | moin |
| 06:30.18 | streuner | deadcat: tarzeau mentioned an store, dunno if you can buy stickers too |
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| 06:30.21 | stouset | sander: If not, someone will eventually write a library to do it. |
| 06:30.24 | dondelelcaro | llama32: best to contribute to a project that you actually use |
| 06:31.10 | deadcat | streuner: cool. i have a small one. but i want one that covers the entire hood. http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/MR2.crash.and.fix/img_1896.jpg |
| 06:31.22 | karsten | deadcat: *I* want a BSD devilette for my truck's front hood. |
| 06:31.34 | deadcat | karsten: HAHAHAH. |
| 06:31.58 | sander | maybe ill start my own firm.. and creating a self destructing hd |
| 06:32.00 | fooz | i want my car to run again |
| 06:32.02 | karsten | deadcat: s/front hood/bed/ |
| 06:32.08 | fooz | sander, thermite is your friend |
| 06:32.11 | deadcat | karsten: actually i was just gonna get a chalk and draw an outline of my body like those dead people. like i just ran over someone |
| 06:32.24 | llama32 | i want the FreeBSD daemon to go on the front of my push-bike :D |
| 06:32.42 | Noob2Debian | ok modconf does not seem to be working so I guess im sposed to ask about modules |
| 06:33.10 | Noob2Debian | getting command not found |
| 06:33.20 | stouset | Noob2Debian: you shouldn't be using modconf :-) |
| 06:33.23 | karsten | Noob2Debian: Running as root? |
| 06:33.28 | stouset | Noob2Debian: hotplug is your friend |
| 06:33.34 | Noob2Debian | I type su to get there |
| 06:33.47 | Noob2Debian | same difference? |
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| 06:34.10 | Noob2Debian | the informatino in the dpkg says to use modconf stouset |
| 06:34.36 | dondelelcaro | Noob2Debian: use modconf, but if you've got hotplug or discover installed, the module has already been loaded. |
| 06:34.38 | karsten | Noob2Debian: close. sudo's better. "su -c 'command'" is mostly equivalent to "sudo command" |
| 06:34.41 | dondelelcaro | (well, almost definetly) |
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| 06:35.19 | stouset | Noob2Debian: dondelelcaro is right; modconf is when you want to specifically tell the kernel to load a module on boot. But if you've got hotplug, it's infinitely more likely the module's already there |
| 06:35.31 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I asked you to do an "lsmod | grep snd" earlier :-) What was the output |
| 06:35.37 | dondelelcaro | Noob2Debian: check dmesg|less; to see if you see something like Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8 (Thu Jan 13 09:39:32 2005 UTC) |
| 06:35.59 | stouset | dondelelcaro: That probably won't work. My sound works and I don't have that in dmesg. |
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| 06:36.10 | Noob2Debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.10 | Noob2Debian | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 06:36.12 | deadcat | karsten: do you still have your vote kerry sticker on the bumper? (= |
| 06:36.12 | stouset | dondelelcaro: grepping for a snd module is far more likely to work :-) |
| 06:36.23 | stouset | Noob2Debian: no... lsmod | grep snd |
| 06:36.24 | karsten | deadcat: Yep. |
| 06:36.28 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 06:36.28 | karsten | deadcat: You saw that? |
| 06:36.34 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:36.42 | karsten | deadcat: Rick's place, right? |
| 06:36.45 | godsmoke | what exactly does it take to get kernel patches into the debian kernel package? |
| 06:36.49 | godsmoke | is it a serious review process? |
| 06:36.51 | stouset | !start a presidential candidate war |
| 06:36.53 | deadcat | i saw one at school with "impeach bush, then hang him" HAHAHAHAH |
| 06:36.57 | deadcat | karsten: ya. |
| 06:37.04 | Noob2Debian | no output on lsmod | grep snd |
| 06:37.10 | karsten | deadcat: EWRONGORDER |
| 06:37.17 | stouset | Okay, do an lsmod and paste in #flood |
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| 06:37.34 | karsten | Noob2Debian: No sound modules loaded, likely. What stouset said. |
| 06:37.53 | dondelelcaro | godsmoke: yes. |
| 06:38.09 | godsmoke | dondelelcaro: is there any official document on it? |
| 06:38.15 | ayecee | godsmoke, it seems like many of the patches in there are either for debian-specific stuff, or patches slated for inclusion in upcoming kernel releases. |
| 06:38.34 | godsmoke | well -- yes -- but I've seen some improvement stuff as well |
| 06:38.37 | dondelelcaro | godsmoke: no, it's basically, you need to convince the kernel maintainer that the patch is something that should actually be added and built on every single architecture that Debian has. |
| 06:38.49 | godsmoke | alright |
| 06:38.55 | godsmoke | well, thanks for the info |
| 06:39.00 | stouset | karsten: i810_audio is loaded |
| 06:39.02 | dondelelcaro | godsmoke: usually that means also convincing linus (or the stable kernel manager) that it should be in the kernel as well. |
| 06:39.06 | godsmoke | I would assume it's a team? |
| 06:39.09 | godsmoke | oh |
| 06:39.15 | genix | Is there anyone here that have used FreeDOS? |
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| 06:39.19 | godsmoke | heh -- well -- getting it into vanilla is a different battle |
| 06:39.20 | Noob2Debian | sent to flood |
| 06:39.20 | dondelelcaro | genix: yes. |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | stouset: OK. |
| 06:39.27 | dondelelcaro | godsmoke: but for starters, you should at the very least already have a kernel-patch package. |
| 06:39.32 | stouset | Noob2Debian: got it. You've got a sound card loaded. Like I said, don't bother with modconf :-) |
| 06:39.39 | MobyTurbo | genix: dosemu in Debian includes Freedos programs |
| 06:39.49 | stouset | Noob2Debian: turn your speakers down and "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 06:39.53 | stouset | Noob2Debian: as root, please. |
| 06:40.01 | deadcat | i am still looking for bootsplash on ppc. |
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| 06:40.26 | genix | dondelelcaro, can I run MS-DOS based application in FreeDOS? |
| 06:40.34 | dondelelcaro | genix: that's the whole point of freedos |
| 06:40.53 | Noob2Debian | hey .. static |
| 06:41.01 | Noob2Debian | lol how do i stop it |
| 06:41.08 | deadcat | ^C |
| 06:41.12 | genix | dondelelcaro, just checking. Can I run FreeDOS from a CD or do I have to install it |
| 06:41.30 | karsten | genix: Yes. |
| 06:41.38 | dondelelcaro | genix: just install the stupid thing. apt-get install dosemu-freedos |
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| 06:41.44 | floppyears | does anybody know |
| 06:41.51 | stouset | Noob2Debian Ctrl+C |
| 06:41.51 | floppyears | when will a debian package for openoffice 2 |
| 06:41.56 | floppyears | be avaialbe ? |
| 06:41.59 | stouset | floppyears: When it's released? |
| 06:42.00 | Noob2Debian | roger that |
| 06:42.09 | stouset | Noob2Debian: See? Sound works :-) |
| 06:42.10 | floppyears | stouset: but the beta is out already :) |
| 06:42.15 | dondelelcaro | floppyears: the maintainers know. Ask in #debian-oo |
| 06:42.18 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Now, ls -la /dev/dsp |
| 06:42.25 | genix | dondelelcaro, I cant use it from Linux, I'm about to upgrade my BIOS with Afudos |
| 06:42.29 | stouset | Noob2Debian: then, as your normal user, type "groups" |
| 06:42.33 | karsten | stouset: Does he have sox on? |
| 06:42.47 | ansong | the sarge netinstaller couldn't load the onboard lan in my new motheroard, so i installed an old 3com for the setup. however, now that i've got drivers for the onboard lan, and have removed the 3com card, how do i tell debian that eth0 is now some other module? |
| 06:42.48 | floppyears | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:42.52 | karsten | stouset: log out / log back in, or 'newgrp audio' |
| 06:43.02 | miyo | floppyears: I take it that you want all your software to be beta or even alpha. |
| 06:43.02 | stouset | karsten: dunno why sox would be installed =\ |
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| 06:43.09 | MobyTurbo | genix: get an MS-DOS boot-disk then |
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| 06:43.18 | karsten | stouset: Useful for playing various audio formats from cmdline. |
| 06:43.23 | miyo | floppyears: Nevermind that it would usually mean that less than half of your software is working *evil grin* |
| 06:43.33 | stouset | karsten: But he probably would have it installed automatically :-) |
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| 06:43.38 | floppyears | miyo: not all, but some of it provides some nice new features |
| 06:43.43 | stouset | karsten: newgrp? Never been able to get that to work. |
| 06:43.46 | Noob2Debian | when i type groups I see root then the command prompt |
| 06:43.48 | karsten | stouset: Just thought I'd ask. It's an easy check. |
| 06:43.50 | Topclass | hi does anyone know what the kernel-headers package is fot the 2.6.1 i386 kernel? |
| 06:43.56 | stouset | Noob2Debian: do groups as your normal user |
| 06:43.56 | deadcat | i think libapache-gallery-perl is one of the coolest software out there. |
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| 06:43.57 | miyo | floppyears: If you want just some -> get them yourself |
| 06:43.59 | karsten | Noob2Debian: You're running it as root. Run it as yourself. |
| 06:44.05 | floppyears | miyo: for example I run "debian-unstable" and it is stable enough for me :) |
| 06:44.05 | miyo | floppyears: It is not so hard to get OOo running by yourself. |
| 06:44.08 | genix | MobyTurbo, I got one, I just want to run it from a CD |
| 06:44.13 | jfergus | Help please. I don't have /dev/sequencer, and snd-seq-oss does not get loaded, even though it is in alsa-base. I can load it, but the node does not get created. |
| 06:44.18 | miyo | floppyears: I have run Sid for many years already =) |
| 06:44.18 | stouset | karsten: newgrp always bugs me about the password. It doesn't if you blank the password on the group, but that's never by default |
| 06:44.34 | karsten | stouset: Hrm. |
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| 06:44.38 | floppyears | miyo: I know, I'm just a debian user (lazy about compiling I like apt-get ) |
| 06:44.39 | floppyears | :) |
| 06:44.39 | stouset | karsten: and the password is never accepted because it's locked :-) |
| 06:44.47 | miyo | floppyears: You don't need to compile OOo |
| 06:45.07 | miyo | floppyears: You can get it pre-compiled, though you still need to install it. |
| 06:45.08 | stouset | midas:~# cat /etc/gshadow |
| 06:45.08 | stouset | root:*:: |
| 06:45.08 | stouset | ... |
| 06:45.19 | ansong | anyone know how to get debian to use eth0 for a different nic? |
| 06:45.35 | jfergus | ansong: ifrename |
| 06:45.42 | stouset | ansong: ifrename |
| 06:45.44 | genix | dondelelcaro, I have burned the files stored on fdbootcd.iso on a cd but it wont boot |
| 06:45.48 | floppyears | miyo: but a debian package is nice :) to have |
| 06:45.53 | karsten | ansong: Change you NIC order in slots (if both are same type). Change module load order (if different drivers). |
| 06:46.06 | floppyears | miyo: plus I don't want to have the same library or something like that installed in different places :( |
| 06:46.15 | karsten | ansong: NIC assignment depends both on physical placement and module load order. |
| 06:46.17 | MobyTurbo | genix: at any rate since this isn't a Debian question... |
| 06:46.19 | Noob2Debian | ok .. I see my login dialout cdrom floppy audio video |
| 06:46.22 | stouset | floppyears: Thank you. Thank you so much for saying that. |
| 06:46.23 | miyo | floppyears: That is why you install it smartly. |
| 06:46.34 | floppyears | stouset: what ? |
| 06:46.34 | miyo | floppyears: e.g. /opt/OOo-2.0beta/ |
| 06:46.46 | miyo | floppyears: All stuff goes under that dir, when you need to get rid of it rm -rf |
| 06:46.51 | MobyTurbo | genix: google El Toritto, the standard for bootable CDs. |
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| 06:47.09 | karsten | genix: "Torito", not "Toritto". |
| 06:47.12 | karsten | MobyTurbo: ^^ |
| 06:47.17 | MobyTurbo | karsten: oops |
| 06:47.19 | stouset | floppyears: I am sick and tired of having to go behind the machines of crappy sysadmins who install fourteen versions of the same package from source, have eight versions of the same library all present (and not managed with ldconfig), etc. |
| 06:47.19 | floppyears | miyo: sometimes some libraries go and install themselves in other directories |
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| 06:47.34 | miyo | floppyears: In that case the sotware is broken. |
| 06:47.36 | floppyears | miyo: and finding a conflict between libraries is not a trivial task for me :( |
| 06:47.44 | miyo | floppyears: It must respect your selections. |
| 06:47.51 | stouset | floppyears: For some reason, there are people out there who still do everything without using a package management system, and I will never understand them. |
| 06:47.55 | floppyears | stouset: yep, I try to learn from my mistakes :) |
| 06:48.12 | miyo | floppyears: And if software is broken, you should report a bug so they can fix it and others don't face the same troubles that you do. |
| 06:48.15 | floppyears | miyo: but thanks for the suggestions though :) |
| 06:48.24 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Still with us? |
| 06:48.32 | Noob2Debian | yes I replied |
| 06:48.42 | floppyears | miyo: true, I should do that more often :) |
| 06:48.48 | Noob2Debian | I see my login name :dialout cdrom floppy audio video |
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| 06:49.03 | stouset | Great. Now, as your user, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 06:49.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: are you on a dual monitor machine? do you run gqview? |
| 06:49.35 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Hear sound? |
| 06:49.40 | Noob2Debian | youbetcha |
| 06:49.43 | stouset | Great. |
| 06:49.56 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Do you use GNOME? KDE? |
| 06:50.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes, no |
| 06:50.17 | Noob2Debian | I believe this is gnome .... pretty sure |
| 06:50.17 | deadcat | doh. |
| 06:50.25 | Noob2Debian | think i saw gnome somewhere |
| 06:50.53 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Is it simple, clean, and pretty? (entirely subjective, I know :-D) |
| 06:51.20 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Go to Applications->Desktop Preferences->Sound |
| 06:51.23 | Noob2Debian | well I dont really like it I have to look deep for irc LOL |
| 06:51.38 | Noob2Debian | few times I couldnt find it |
| 06:51.40 | stouset | Noob2Debian: No, pardon, don't go there. |
| 06:51.47 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Put an icon on your desktop =P |
| 06:52.10 | skydoll | thanks |
| 06:52.13 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Applications->Desktop Preferences->Advanced->Multimedia Systems Selector |
| 06:52.34 | Noob2Debian | do both? |
| 06:52.39 | stouset | No, the second one. |
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| 06:53.07 | Noob2Debian | gotit |
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| 06:53.19 | Noob2Debian | Gstreamer preferences |
| 06:53.30 | stouset | Actually, on second though, yes, go to the first place |
| 06:53.34 | stouset | Don't close the current window though |
| 06:53.37 | stouset | We want both open |
| 06:54.04 | Noob2Debian | both up |
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| 06:54.37 | Noob2Debian | hmmm should I check the box .. *enable sound server at startup? |
| 06:54.44 | stouset | Yeah :-) That's step 1. |
| 06:54.56 | stouset | Close that window when you're done turning sound on. |
| 06:55.17 | Noob2Debian | done |
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| 06:55.32 | stouset | Under Default Sink, what's the output say? |
| 06:55.45 | Noob2Debian | OSS open sound system |
| 06:55.48 | stouset | Ah! |
| 06:55.54 | stouset | Switch to ESD. |
| 06:56.00 | stouset | Repeat for Default Source. |
| 06:56.04 | stouset | Click test on the top one. |
| 06:56.15 | stouset | Turn the sound card down first, because that also sounds like, ass unfortunately. |
| 06:56.17 | Noob2Debian | ESD is not an option .. only other option is custom |
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| 06:56.34 | stouset | There's no "Left channel. Right channel." in a soothing voice. Only an annoying BLEEEEEEEE. |
| 06:56.45 | stouset | Noob2Debian: That's...interesting. One sec. |
| 06:57.00 | stouset | Ah. |
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| 06:57.38 | stouset | apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins |
| 06:57.47 | stouset | Close that window, reopen it. |
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| 06:58.59 | ezhdeha | hi there, can anyone suggest a good GUI tool for building firewalls including traffic shaping with TC ? |
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| 06:59.10 | stouset | There are quite a few gstreamer plugins, so apt will download them all. This is good. |
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| 06:59.51 | stouset | stouset: I'm trying to figure out why that wasn't installed by default, though. It should have been depended on by MANY gnome apps. |
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| 07:00.16 | Noob2Debian | probably something I did or failed to do |
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| 07:00.24 | Noob2Debian | come on im a newb |
| 07:00.26 | stouset | No, that shouldn't be your fault. |
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| 07:01.15 | stouset | If it's something you "failed to do", then I'd say the fault is that of the package maintainer. But I'm certain it should have been installed by default, so we'll look at why after you install those plugins :-) |
| 07:01.57 | ansong | jfergus, stouset, karsten, thanks for the help. do i need wireless-tools installed to get the /etc/iftab file? |
| 07:02.09 | Noob2Debian | choose ESD for both? |
| 07:02.22 | stouset | ansong: Never seen /etc/iftab...what is it? |
| 07:02.27 | stouset | Noob2Debian: aye. |
| 07:02.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: and click test on the first one |
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| 07:03.27 | ansong | stouset, when i run ifrename it says "couldn't open configuration file /etc/iftab" |
| 07:03.33 | stouset | You should hear a grating BLEEEEE sound. |
| 07:03.39 | Noob2Debian | youbetcha |
| 07:04.23 | stouset | ansong: That's probably an ifrename-specific config. Check /usr/share/doc/ifrename/examples, and there should be an example config file |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin__ | !test |
| 07:04.32 | dpkg | No, guerin__, you're not online any more. |
| 07:04.38 | ansong | stouset, thx |
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| 07:04.41 | genix | Is it even possible to mount with FreeDOS without installing it on the hardrive? |
| 07:04.47 | stouset | ansong: If there's nothing there, let me know. |
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| 07:05.24 | Noob2Debian | I presume I can click ok after hearingthe bleee |
| 07:05.28 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Sorry it took so long to work that out :-) Was just trying each stage of the pipeline from the bottom up. In most cases it's bad permissions or the modules aren't present or something like that. All that checked out with you. Never seen the gstreamer plugins not be there before :-) |
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| 07:05.32 | stouset | Noob2Debian: NO |
| 07:05.40 | Noob2Debian | oh lol hang no then |
| 07:05.41 | stouset | Noob2Debian: You need to leave that on at max volume for >24 hours |
| 07:05.57 | Noob2Debian | lol lay off the crack |
| 07:06.00 | stouset | Noob2Debian: It's aligning your sound card, similar to how a printer works. |
| 07:06.04 | MobyTurbo | genix: I'm struggling to figure out what your question has to do with Debian. |
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| 07:06.24 | stouset | Noob2Debian: the grating noise is specifically engineered to rearrange the molecular structure of your soundcard, and every other piece of hardware in the machine |
| 07:06.50 | CompWizrd | mwilson: i have access to 1200 ton TOS presses at work.. think that'd make a drive paper thin? :D |
| 07:06.59 | Noob2Debian | lol |
| 07:07.04 | Noob2Debian | I'm afriad your serious |
| 07:07.17 | Noob2Debian | *afraid |
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| 07:07.25 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Well listen to it. Could that noise be anything else? |
| 07:07.29 | Guerin__ | terms of service presses? |
| 07:07.41 | Guerin__ | I can see why you'd need one of those, given some TOS these days |
| 07:07.44 | fooz | the old series presses? |
| 07:07.47 | Noob2Debian | lol at least it isnt the static .. thats kinda nerve wrakin |
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| 07:07.51 | Guerin__ | can I get a EULA press? |
| 07:08.08 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Ha |
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| 07:08.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: in any case, your sound should work. Since it wasn't working out of the box, the volume applet may not be on your GNOME toolbar at the top right. See something that looks like a speaker? |
| 07:08.53 | Noob2Debian | yes it is there |
| 07:09.01 | Noob2Debian | that was the first thing i checked whan i had no sound |
| 07:09.30 | stouset | Okay :-) That, if you hadn't guessed, controls volume. |
| 07:09.51 | Noob2Debian | ten 4 |
| 07:09.57 | stouset | It'll actually work now (you may or may not need to log in and out of GNOME first; I'd guess not, but I can't say for certain) |
| 07:10.19 | tarzeau | streuner: hi. store about what? |
| 07:10.20 | Noob2Debian | stickin in a cd |
| 07:10.50 | stouset | Now, considering it's 2:10AM and I have work at 8AM, I'm afraid I'm going to have to bolt. If you're still around tomorrow, we can try and find out why those weren't installed by default. |
| 07:10.50 | dotsony | i just installed sarge netinstall on a friend's computer |
| 07:11.03 | Guerin | dotsony: hurrah for you! |
| 07:11.03 | Noob2Debian | I will be here .. thanks again |
| 07:11.04 | stouset | dotsony: Loser. I'm running etch! |
| 07:11.07 | stouset | dotsony :-) |
| 07:11.11 | dotsony | well |
| 07:11.13 | stouset | Noob2Debian: The CD work? |
| 07:11.13 | Guerin | not yet you ain't |
| 07:11.26 | dotsony | it's nota success story |
| 07:11.34 | Guerin | dotsony: why not? |
| 07:11.35 | dotsony | grub error 18 |
| 07:11.39 | stouset | stephen@midas:/etc$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:11.39 | stouset | 4.0 |
| 07:11.45 | dotsony | i'm using the ssh client from the installer |
| 07:11.46 | Noob2Debian | does not appear to be |
| 07:12.05 | dotsony | is this discussed in the howto? |
| 07:12.08 | Noob2Debian | the player is playing tho |
| 07:12.20 | stouset | Let me see if I can get it to work. Never used it before. |
| 07:12.48 | stouset | Noob2Debian: out of curiosity, did an icon for the CD get put on your desktop? |
| 07:12.50 | dotsony | Guerin: this is the grub installed by the debian installer |
| 07:13.17 | Noob2Debian | no |
| 07:13.35 | stouset | Okay, I think I know why. |
| 07:13.44 | stouset | Go to Computer on your desktop. |
| 07:13.59 | stouset | Then open CD-ROM 1 |
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| 07:14.57 | Noob2Debian | unable to mount the selected volume blah blah .. want it all? |
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| 07:15.47 | stouset | Actually, you said the cd player appeared to be working just no sound? |
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| 07:16.15 | Noob2Debian | thats right .. i opned up the player.. and hit play .. the cd is reading like its playing |
| 07:16.17 | Noob2Debian | no sound |
| 07:16.26 | stouset | Hm...one moment. |
| 07:16.32 | Noob2Debian | youbetcha |
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| 07:16.58 | stouset | !ops spambots |
| 07:16.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spambots |
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| 07:17.03 | fooz | hehe.. sunday |
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| 07:17.18 | fooz | stouset, lilo said to /msg him |
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| 07:17.30 | stouset | fooz: Already done. |
| 07:17.33 | CompWizrd | Guerin: no, not terms of service.. :) |
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| 07:17.33 | rob^ | fsm do it in #flood |
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| 07:17.39 | rob^ | piss off |
| 07:17.41 | stouset | Was hoping for some mods in here, though... |
| 07:17.46 | daubings | //,' `. || || ,'||`.\\ |
| 07:17.46 | daubings | //( \`--|)|| ||( \'| )\\ |
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| 07:18.01 | jibbered | | 888888o ,-'\ /`-. \ \-' . _,-' | |
| 07:18.01 | rob^ | fuck off |
| 07:18.05 | nagual | ;-) |
| 07:18.09 | nagual | just /ignore |
| 07:18.11 | fooz | rob^, stfu. you're not helping |
| 07:18.15 | seditsira | hello can ask here regarding samba? |
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| 07:18.24 | marinos | stupid Star wars fans |
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| 07:18.33 | nagual | ascii is broken |
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| 07:18.45 | stouset | Thank you, Hydroxide. |
| 07:18.47 | daubings | 203.167.79.83:1080 |
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| 07:18.55 | rob^ | fooz, blow me |
| 07:18.55 | ansong | stouset, i've created what looks to me like a valid /etc/iftab file. when i run ifrename i get "warning, interface name is `eth0' at line 2, can't be mapped reliably. what the heck was that? |
| 07:18.58 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:18.59 | jm_ | they even gave us open proxies, how polite |
| 07:19.00 | seditsira | hi daubings |
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| 07:19.08 | stouset | ansong: wish I knew, never used ifrename |
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| 07:19.13 | marinos | the coordination si amazing |
| 07:19.13 | *** mode/#Debian [+m] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:19.17 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@202.124.200.143] by dondelelcaro |
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| 07:19.27 | *** mode/#Debian [-m] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:19.28 | peterS | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 07:19.32 | stouset | thanks, don |
| 07:19.32 | ecentrik | ty |
| 07:19.34 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Sorry, looking now. |
| 07:19.41 | marinos | :) |
| 07:19.44 | jfergus | ansong: I think thats a typo in your config |
| 07:19.47 | Hydroxide | heh, I op myself, they leave and come back, dondelelcaro starts doing things, they leave ... and come back? |
| 07:19.50 | Hydroxide | we'll see |
| 07:19.58 | Noob2Debian | not a problem .. we can pick this up tomorrow I hate to keep you up specially since your helpin a newb |
| 07:20.06 | Noob2Debian | and no sound isnt going to KILL me |
| 07:20.19 | seditsira | hello can ask here regarding samba? |
| 07:20.22 | Noob2Debian | still amazed i got this far |
| 07:20.26 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I couldn't give a rats ass about you, no offense. It's killing ME. :-) |
| 07:20.37 | ansong | jfergus, i'll try screwing with the whitespace... |
| 07:20.38 | Noob2Debian | lol well then .. ok =) |
| 07:20.57 | jfergus | Noob2Debian: At least with the alsa drivers, there is a separate slider for cd audio |
| 07:20.57 | stouset | seditsira: Generally unless it's a distro specific thing you should talk to #samba, but by all means ask |
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| 07:21.07 | stouset | seditsira: Just don't ask us about RedHat. |
| 07:21.17 | stouset | jfergus: Didn't think about that |
| 07:21.21 | fooz | rob^, you couldn't pay me enough for that, sorry |
| 07:21.22 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:21.22 | Overand | "HEY HOW DO I GET REDHAT TO NOT SUCK?" 'Install debian.' |
| 07:21.22 | seditsira | stouset, of course im using debian |
| 07:21.34 | stouset | Noob: right click on the volume icon, click Open Volume Control |
| 07:21.40 | rob^ | fooz, I got 2c.. thats all ya mumma charged |
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| 07:21.44 | seditsira | stouset, how can i create shares in samba with password to windows |
| 07:21.46 | seditsira | ? |
| 07:21.47 | *** mode/#Debian [-o Hydroxide] by Hydroxide |
| 07:21.48 | llama32 | whats a good text editor for x? NEdit's ok but sorta crappy interface, and GEdit really wasnt made for coding (manual indentation...) |
| 07:21.50 | stouset | seditsira: You'd be surprised how many don't :-) |
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| 07:22.12 | Hydroxide | dondelelcaro: they were probably UTF-8 characters, not question marks, based on what they were pasting into the channel |
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| 07:22.42 | Hydroxide | gaah |
| 07:22.55 | pureone | mmm pi |
| 07:22.55 | stouset | *wishes the Internet had a +b flag...* |
| 07:23.05 | fooz | way too many 12 year olds around here lately |
| 07:23.07 | yoyo | HighPingedLPB, bots |
| 07:23.09 | Guerin | *!*@verizon.net |
| 07:23.17 | stouset | Noob: Did you go to the volume control yet? |
| 07:23.18 | yoyo | hi bots |
| 07:23.23 | pureone | who ever made them bots has too much time on there hands |
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| 07:23.32 | Noob2Debian | up at the top.. yes i can click it |
| 07:23.38 | Hydroxide | they weren't even all on verizon |
| 07:23.38 | yxa | i'm trying to get php4 to work with apache-ssl. a simple phpinfo() scripts gives me malformed header from script. Bad header=Launching... /usr/lib/apache-s: /var/www/phpinfo.php |
| 07:23.39 | rob^ | nah.. those bots are lame |
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| 07:23.51 | yoyo | ^_^ |
| 07:23.54 | stouset | Noob: Right click, go to Open Volume Control |
| 07:24.06 | seditsira | stouset, ?? |
| 07:24.07 | stouset | Noob: You should see a dialog open up with *way* too many sliders on it |
| 07:24.09 | karsten | !ops++ |
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| 07:24.26 | *** mode/#Debian [-m] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:24.30 | Noob2Debian | yes i do |
| 07:24.34 | stouset | Damn, don's getting quick. |
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| 07:24.39 | stouset | seditsira: Sorry, give me a moment. Trying to multitask. |
| 07:24.43 | \Igor\ | I got my exim4 config to forward outgoing mail to a smarthost, however it seems to be forwarding local mail to the smarthost as well.... why the hell is it doing that? |
| 07:24.47 | stouset | seditsira: I'm male, so it's not working too well :-) |
| 07:24.55 | stouset | Noob2Debian: See the CD slider? |
| 07:24.59 | seditsira | stouset, ok tnx |
| 07:25.00 | stouset | Noob2Debian: pull that sucker up |
| 07:25.13 | stouset | seditsira: Samba shares with a Windows password? |
| 07:25.21 | Hydroxide | yeah, I don't have my client set up nearly as efficiently for opping, hence why I haven't re-opped myself. I am impressed at dondelelcaro's setup. |
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| 07:25.31 | Overand | CD audio problems (if using analog mix) can always be caused by an acutal lack of analog connector inside... i've seen more than one PC that just didn't have the CD audio connected |
| 07:25.36 | Guerin | he does see a lot of action |
| 07:25.45 | seditsira | well how can i put shares to windows that will prompt for a user/password or just password |
| 07:25.46 | Noob2Debian | It was at 50% I put it on 90% |
| 07:25.48 | seditsira | ?? |
| 07:25.52 | HighPingedLPB | yoyo: bots to you too, buddy! :P |
| 07:26.03 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Out of curiosity, did CD audio work for you on this computer in Windows? |
| 07:26.11 | Noob2Debian | oh yes |
| 07:26.17 | karsten | stouset: Good question ;-) |
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| 07:26.19 | Noob2Debian | windows is still on my other drive |
| 07:26.20 | Overand | (even if it worked in windows, he could have been set up to use digital audio extraction) |
| 07:26.30 | stouset | And, also, make sure the PCM, Master, Master Mono, sliders are up too |
| 07:26.31 | Overand | (that's a no-brainer in windows 2k and up) |
| 07:26.31 | ErrantEGo | dondelelcaro, Hydroxide: I'm talking with lilo concerning the interruption :) |
| 07:26.34 | Noob2Debian | I can log back into it bu tim trying to make the switch |
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| 07:26.37 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 07:26.39 | ix64 | most probably. |
| 07:26.40 | Hydroxide | auto_bleh? |
| 07:26.43 | Hydroxide | mischan |
| 07:26.44 | nullvoid | I am trying to compile fuse |
| 07:26.51 | nullvoid | but getting make[1]: *** No rule to make target `kdist_image'. Stop. |
| 07:27.01 | stouset | seditsira: That should be pretty easy in Samba...give me a few minutes to find it |
| 07:27.10 | ErrantEGo | i'm pasting them as they join the channel |
| 07:27.12 | ErrantEGo | err |
| 07:27.19 | seditsira | stouset, ok ok.. tnx |
| 07:27.23 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I know, I'm just asking if it worked in Windows :-) It's entirely possible that there's no audio connecter from your sound card to your CD drive |
| 07:27.24 | Noob2Debian | pcm is at 90 now also |
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| 07:27.40 | Noob2Debian | ahhhh |
| 07:27.43 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Which would prevent you from hearing any audio from your CD no matter what. |
| 07:27.58 | stouset | Noob2Debian: So if it worked in Windows, we can rule that out. If not, that's what it's likely to be. |
| 07:28.00 | Noob2Debian | even in windows? |
| 07:28.04 | Noob2Debian | oh |
| 07:28.05 | Overand | stouset: wrong |
| 07:28.14 | Overand | stouset: windows can be set up to extract audio digitally |
| 07:28.25 | Overand | it's a single checbox in the device manager or multimedia (I forget which) |
| 07:28.27 | stouset | Overand: Ah, neato. Sorry, missed your message before. |
| 07:28.28 | Guerin | did nobody read the wise remarks about digital audio extraction? |
| 07:28.33 | stouset | No :-( |
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| 07:28.36 | Overand | s'ok |
| 07:28.42 | Overand | lots of traffic here, easy to miss things |
| 07:28.56 | Noob2Debian | hmm well i can pull up windows and look for digital sound ... or I can rip off the side of the case and look for a wire |
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| 07:28.59 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Let me upload an mp3 to a webserver for a sec. Try to play it in rhythmbox, just to make sure that sound *is* working. |
| 07:29.05 | Overand | yeah |
| 07:29.13 | Guerin | !free software song |
| 07:29.13 | dpkg | somebody said free software song was http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or http://www.chaosandorder.us/emcee/2-September-04-CoderzMansionII.mp3, or cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 07:29.15 | Overand | or he can just tune in to somafm.org or something |
| 07:29.16 | Guerin | get one of those |
| 07:29.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Ripping the side off the case, if it won't take too long. Look for a thin, round cable next to the IDE and molex power plug going into your CD drive and soundcard |
| 07:29.41 | stouset | It's got a flat, thin connector |
| 07:30.10 | Overand | usually black |
| 07:30.11 | Overand | heh |
| 07:30.14 | stouset | Or grey |
| 07:30.16 | Overand | cable's usually grey |
| 07:30.20 | stouset | Out of curiosity, if Windows can do "digital audio extraction", why can't we? :-) |
| 07:30.20 | Overand | connector's usually black |
| 07:30.25 | Guerin | we can |
| 07:30.25 | Overand | stouset: i think we can |
| 07:30.26 | stouset | Aye |
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| 07:30.33 | stouset | Overand: howto somewhere? |
| 07:30.37 | Overand | it's just not as 'integrated' as the windows system is |
| 07:30.38 | Guerin | somewhere |
| 07:30.38 | Overand | afaik |
| 07:30.39 | Noob2Debian | no cable on eitehr drive ( I have two cdr's here) |
| 07:30.49 | Overand | you can have an app specifically do it, but i odn't know if there's a "unified" system for it |
| 07:30.52 | Overand | there might be |
| 07:31.00 | deadcat | my vcd has 2 types of audio. how do i use only one? |
| 07:31.03 | deadcat | in mplayer |
| 07:31.03 | Noob2Debian | gonna chek again just to be sure |
| 07:31.07 | stouset | Noob2Debian: That'd be it. According to Overand, digital audio extraction is possible in Linux, but I'm guessing since it's not a checkbox somewhere yet, it's probably a minor pain to set up |
| 07:31.20 | Guerin | deadcat: you can specify which track |
| 07:31.20 | seditsira | stouset, did u find it? |
| 07:31.22 | fooz | stouset, in what app? |
| 07:31.23 | Overand | well |
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| 07:31.31 | Overand | setting it up in a PLAYER is probably not so bad |
| 07:31.32 | stouset | seditsira: Sorry, been helping Noob for a few hours now, want to help him out |
| 07:31.32 | deadcat | Guerin: oh. let me check |
| 07:31.33 | Overand | lemme check XMMS |
| 07:31.48 | fooz | xmms has it built in. |
| 07:31.49 | seditsira | stouset, ok ok |
| 07:31.53 | lilo | you know, I used to think that the whole channel flooding thing was a sign of boredom and that was it |
| 07:31.55 | stouset | seditsira: googling now |
| 07:31.56 | Noob2Debian | holy cow theres a lot of dust in there |
| 07:32.00 | Overand | ok |
| 07:32.04 | Overand | use xmms |
| 07:32.05 | Overand | go to prefs |
| 07:32.08 | lilo | but I've met bored people like crazy for the last 11 years or so on IRC |
| 07:32.08 | Overand | go to CD audio |
| 07:32.15 | deadcat | Guerin: cant find it. |
| 07:32.16 | Overand | select 'read digital audio' |
| 07:32.17 | Noob2Debian | ok so im skrewd for sound .. thats ok i spose |
| 07:32.18 | lilo | and you know, they're pretty much like bored people anywhere |
| 07:32.18 | fooz | lilo, i'm bored |
| 07:32.22 | Guerin | deadcat: man mplayer |
| 07:32.25 | Overand | that *should* work |
| 07:32.29 | Kreiger | lilo, more flooders? |
| 07:32.31 | lilo | fooz: *nod* |
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| 07:32.36 | Overand | Noob2Debian: try XMMS for your CD |
| 07:32.47 | Overand | (And follow those steps i just outlined) |
| 07:32.48 | ErrantEGo | lilo: methinks those bored people do such activities to make them unbored |
| 07:32.51 | lilo | fooz: I'm back to thinking mental illness |
| 07:32.52 | stouset | seditsira: join #flood |
| 07:33.00 | jfergus | I cannot get ESD to work. It plays the login sound and logout sound, but nothing in between. |
| 07:33.20 | Guerin | the only good esd is a dead esd |
| 07:33.22 | lilo | fooz: ErrantEGo but plenty of bored people do things that don't create such problems for others |
| 07:33.25 | Kreiger | jfergus, i had that problem once. |
| 07:33.31 | aicra | hahaha |
| 07:33.32 | Kreiger | X was using the wrong drivers |
| 07:33.33 | jfergus | Ohh and the beep if I restart it |
| 07:33.35 | lilo | s/fooz: // |
| 07:33.35 | Guerin | boredom + malice |
| 07:33.41 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Just for CD audio, sort of. You can use XMMS, according to Overand. I'm not a big fan of it, but if you really want to listen to CDs on your system, it's either the cable or Overand's suggestion |
| 07:33.53 | MobyTurbo | lilo: good luck on keeping 'em out. They seem to be a fixture of north-america-nightime #debian |
| 07:33.53 | Kreiger | it saw the wbcam drivers and used them as sound, since the webcam i use as a mic in it |
| 07:33.58 | lilo | Guerin: yeah, but if you think about it, we're probably talking mental health issues |
| 07:34.03 | Kreiger | so i unplugged my webcam and reinstall and it worked |
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| 07:34.07 | Overand | other players may do it to |
| 07:34.13 | Guerin | lilo: well, malice typically is, right down at the bottom of it all |
| 07:34.16 | fooz | lilo, i think they're children using the internet unsupervised. or they're impotent |
| 07:34.17 | Overand | but XMMS will be at least a way to test to see if digital audio extraction will work |
| 07:34.26 | Overand | other players probably do it, i just know that XMMS does |
| 07:34.34 | lilo | fooz: nah, I doubt it's anything that simple |
| 07:34.50 | warwon | Hello, I was quickly wondering if there was a file or a configuration that I could change to turn "fast write" off on my Linux box for my ATI card, cause that whats stalls my machine when running OpenGL applcaitons. Similar to what happens in Windows. |
| 07:34.56 | lilo | fooz: if you think about it, sexual potency has nothing to do directly with aggressive behavior |
| 07:35.00 | Guerin | it's just the internet's version of people driving around throwing beer bottles out of car windows |
| 07:35.12 | Noob2Debian | ok i found xmms .... its asking me for a file when i click play |
| 07:35.13 | lilo | fooz: and these are not usually 10 year olds |
| 07:35.16 | jfergus | warwon: It's disabled by default |
| 07:35.17 | Guerin | well, that's debatable... though it usually is in the opposite direction |
| 07:35.22 | lilo | fooz: even a 12 year old is capable of behaving with some decorum |
| 07:35.37 | stouset | !fss |
| 07:35.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, fss is "join us now and share the software, you'll be free hacker, you'll be freee ..." |
| 07:35.38 | Kreiger | lilo, one sec |
| 07:35.40 | lilo | Guerin: if you're irritated, you might beat people up....but most people won't |
| 07:35.41 | stouset | !free software song |
| 07:35.41 | dpkg | methinks free software song is http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or http://www.chaosandorder.us/emcee/2-September-04-CoderzMansionII.mp3, or cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 07:35.45 | Overand | warwon: you might want to check some BIOS timing settings |
| 07:35.47 | stouset | Noob2Debian: try one of those |
| 07:35.54 | stouset | oh, wait, duh |
| 07:35.54 | Guerin | lilo: right. |
| 07:35.55 | stouset | never mind |
| 07:36.00 | stouset | CD-ROM drive haha |
| 07:36.00 | warwon | cause I have it turned on in my BIos, because of another reason. Acutally turning it off in the BIOS creates more problems |
| 07:36.04 | stouset | CD-ROM is /dev/cdrom |
| 07:36.11 | lilo | Guerin: that's why I'm thinking the 'impotence' thing may not be a fair assessment....self control can trump that sort of problem |
| 07:36.16 | warwon | The work around is turn it off in the Operating System, and leave the BIOS on. OR I have issuses |
| 07:36.19 | stouset | GNOME tries to hide device names like that from you, but XMMS won't... |
| 07:36.21 | fooz | lilo, I think it's the same people that drive Ford Excursions and park across 3 parking spaces |
| 07:36.31 | Guerin | lilo: oh, absolutely |
| 07:36.56 | lilo | fooz: hmmm....I dunno, maybe it's more the thing that causes someone to park in a handicapped space when they're not |
| 07:36.56 | Guerin | fooz: the things your talking about may be correlative, but are almost certainly not causative |
| 07:37.04 | jfergus | warwon: XFconfig, under the device section. man radeon for the exact syntax |
| 07:37.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:37.14 | fooz | lilo, same difference |
| 07:37.21 | lilo | Guerin: most people show self-control, and don't cause problems for other people engaged in serious or constructive activity |
| 07:37.38 | lilo | fooz: hmmm.... three spaces may or may not be a problem, depending how long they're parked |
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| 07:37.44 | Guerin | my friend got beaten up for explaining to his daughter that the jocks parked in the handicap space clearly weren't physically handicapped, so they must be mentally handicapped |
| 07:37.46 | lilo | fooz: but the handicapped thing is, well, over the top |
| 07:38.02 | lilo | Guerin: well, that just irritated people with self-control issues |
| 07:38.10 | lilo | Guerin: maybe not a great idea *sighrin* |
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| 07:38.20 | Guerin | yeah, he's not known for his prudence |
| 07:38.23 | Overand | oh man |
| 07:38.26 | Overand | people go up to my mom |
| 07:38.28 | Overand | and say shit like |
| 07:38.39 | Overand | 'Oh, you're so lucky you get to park in handicapped spaces.' |
| 07:38.40 | fooz | Overand, "Use the enter key less, Overand's mom!" |
| 07:38.53 | fooz | oh, ok. i was wrong. nm |
| 07:38.54 | stouset | Noob2Debian: any luck? |
| 07:38.57 | Overand | "Yeah, well, I'd rather be able to walk than get handicapped parking." |
| 07:38.57 | Noob2Debian | ok small problem .. I dont see anything about cdrom when I click play |
| 07:39.02 | Guerin | fair play |
| 07:39.09 | Noob2Debian | I'm trying not to be dumb here but i dont see what you want me to see |
| 07:39.19 | stouset | Noob2Debian: you said it was asking you for a file |
| 07:39.24 | Overand | and 'Oh that's so great, you can just run into the store.' and she says "I haven't been able to run for years." |
| 07:39.24 | Noob2Debian | yes |
| 07:39.28 | Guerin | like OMFG ur so lucky u get $160/week and don't have to work because you're on a sickness benefit!!1 |
| 07:39.39 | Noob2Debian | play files |
| 07:39.39 | stouset | Overand: I'm not familiar with XMMS. Could you help Noob open his current cdrom? |
| 07:39.46 | Overand | I don't have any idea how |
| 07:39.46 | Overand | heh |
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| 07:39.52 | Noob2Debian | lol |
| 07:39.55 | Overand | "Add directory" maybe if it mimics Winamp |
| 07:39.56 | lilo | the thing is, interfering with people doing constructive activity out of boredom, or some political or metaphysical philosophy, or out of unfocused anger or aggression....it's just not a mark of mental health |
| 07:39.58 | Overand | and add /dev/cdrom |
| 07:39.59 | fooz | lilo, i live in Vegas and work at a busy grocery store |
| 07:40.03 | stouset | Sec, let me install xmms |
| 07:40.04 | lilo | whether it's done by one person, or a group of people |
| 07:40.14 | lilo | fooz: Vegas is...interesting 8) |
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| 07:40.16 | Guerin | but yeah, the thing seems to be an issue with control, and potency ... not in the sexual sense |
| 07:40.18 | fooz | lilo, and in a parking lot. and i'm firmly convinced that most people are just total jerk assholes |
| 07:40.19 | Overand | yeah i don't have a cd drive on this laptop right now so i can't help |
| 07:40.19 | stouset | Noob2Debian: actually, at this point, we pretty much know the reason you couldn't get cd audio |
| 07:40.36 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Do you play CDs on your computer often? |
| 07:40.39 | lilo | Guerin: I think it's something more basic |
| 07:40.42 | Overand | yeah if you're missing CD audio cables, you've got to use digital extraction |
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| 07:40.44 | lilo | Guerin: it's an impulse-control issue |
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| 07:40.47 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I usually just rip them to the hard drive :-) |
| 07:40.47 | Overand | he could always just rip the CDs instead |
| 07:40.47 | Overand | heh |
| 07:40.47 | Guerin | people want to influence their environment, and if they can only do that by writing pi irc bots, then, well, I guess that's how they turn their toes up |
| 07:40.54 | Overand | RIP + compress to FLAC |
| 07:40.55 | Overand | <3 |
| 07:41.00 | lilo | Guerin: no matter how elaborate the planning these people do, there's one basic thing driving them |
| 07:41.01 | Overand | all my music is compressedto FLAC |
| 07:41.03 | stouset | Overand: No way, wma! |
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| 07:41.11 | Noob2Debian | lol ok .. anything as easy as audiograbber for linux ? =) |
| 07:41.12 | lilo | Guerin: "I want to do this" and "I'm going to do this" |
| 07:41.13 | Overand | it's not 1998 any more, we're not using 20 gig hard drives anymore |
| 07:41.18 | pureone | yes them pi bots changed my life |
| 07:41.23 | Guerin | lilo: right |
| 07:41.27 | Overand | actually there are some really slick perl scripts that rip audio |
| 07:41.28 | jfergus | Noob2Debian: grip |
| 07:41.28 | lilo | Guerin: it's impulse control |
| 07:41.31 | fooz | lilo, they're either stupid or they have self esteem issues.. i don't see any other ways to explain things |
| 07:41.37 | directhex | Overand, portable players with flac playback still are, though |
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| 07:41.47 | Overand | directhex: yeah, 20 gigs on my rio karma |
| 07:41.47 | deucehaus | can someone recommend a cheap videocard that will do dvds and mpeg/avi out of the box? 3d doesn't matter, but i'd also like dvi |
| 07:41.53 | Overand | the other one has a 40 gig drive |
| 07:41.53 | Willis | Anyone here have any wisdom on Digital video in linux ? |
| 07:41.57 | lilo | http://www.sci.uidaho.edu/med532/amygdala.htm |
| 07:42.01 | stouset | Noob2Debian: grip |
| 07:42.02 | Overand | i forget the model name |
| 07:42.04 | lilo | this is where it seems to happen |
| 07:42.07 | Guerin | Noob2Debian: cdparanoia+flac |
| 07:42.09 | Noob2Debian | by the way the suggestion to add directory /dev/cdrom DID work .. it IS playing .. no sound . just fyi |
| 07:42.10 | Overand | 20 gigs is *enough* for flac files, but it's a bit low |
| 07:42.18 | directhex | Willis, as opposed to what? |
| 07:42.19 | Overand | Noob2Debian: did you go to the prefs like i suggested? |
| 07:42.23 | Guerin | bah, I have three times that in LOSSY audio |
| 07:42.26 | peterS | Overand: so you need 20 GB plus one bit? |
| 07:42.28 | lilo | there's always an emotional component that's not well-controlled, and is the source of rationalizations about what's appropriate |
| 07:42.33 | Overand | peterS: HA |
| 07:42.43 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Because you probably didn't turn on the digital somethingorother extraction like Overand said :-) |
| 07:42.48 | Guerin | lilo: right, I guess that's where I'm driving |
| 07:42.49 | Overand | peterS: i have way way more than 20x3 in audio altogether |
| 07:42.52 | Overand | i have like 120 gigs of FLAC |
| 07:42.56 | Overand | and maybe 40 in lossy |
| 07:43.07 | Overand | I have a pretty extensive CD collection |
| 07:43.07 | Noob2Debian | ohhk .. hang on |
| 07:43.09 | Guerin | lilo: they might delude themselves into thinking that irc bots are worth more than they cost |
| 07:43.17 | Willis | Well, got someone who wants to set up 4 camera's on a pc. then record and store the video for a security system |
| 07:43.20 | Overand | unfortunately my last collection was stolen before i knew about lossless |
| 07:43.25 | Guerin | you know, "demonstrating teh weakness of teh intarnet" or somesuch |
| 07:43.28 | Overand | so i have a lot of poorly encoded mp3 files of albums i used to own =/ |
| 07:43.32 | lilo | Guerin: well, there is a thing people do that's the basic component of civilization |
| 07:43.40 | stouset | Overand: Sorry about that...I should return those to you =\ |
| 07:43.44 | fooz | lilo, you'd probably agree if you (on foot) were nearly killed by people speeding by you at 40mph in a parking lot, nearly killing you.. only to park their Dodge 3500 Duallie crew cab truck in front of the 3 no parking signs and the red fire lane in front of the store.. then spend 20 minutes shopping. |
| 07:43.44 | Overand | stouset: ha |
| 07:43.49 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:43.51 | lilo | Guerin: where they try not to cause excessive cost to other people |
| 07:44.02 | fooz | that brought to you by the department of redundancy department |
| 07:44.08 | Overand | also in the car was a 3DO, a Turbo Duo, and $1500 of audio gear ala amp, subwoofer, back speakers, etc |
| 07:44.16 | Overand | all my CDs, my girlfriend's cds. sucked. |
| 07:44.22 | stouset | lilo: curious, which distro do you use? :-) |
| 07:44.28 | directhex | Overand, i'm not sure the 3DO was a loss though |
| 07:44.33 | stouset | <3 3DO |
| 07:44.34 | peterS | Overand: sucks indeed |
| 07:44.36 | lilo | Guerin: yeah...the rationalizations are clearly that |
| 07:44.38 | Overand | directhex: there were a few games on 3do that made it worth it |
| 07:44.39 | stouset | Hey, fuck you directhex :-) |
| 07:44.42 | Overand | 'starfighter' was one |
| 07:44.44 | stouset | the Horde |
| 07:44.45 | pureone | just ask your self 1 question punk |
| 07:44.46 | Overand | starfighter made the system |
| 07:44.48 | lilo | Guerin: because there's damage to other people, and they're coming up with creative ways of justifying it |
| 07:44.49 | Overand | never tried the horde |
| 07:44.55 | stouset | Overand: And now you never will :-( |
| 07:44.56 | pureone | have you compiled your kernel today? |
| 07:45.00 | Overand | P |
| 07:45.02 | fooz | lilo, oh, and if you ask them politely to move their truck, they say, and I quote, "So call the cops on me, shithead" |
| 07:45.09 | Willis | What would be good for a DVR type setup in linux to record 4 streams on video .. |
| 07:45.13 | lilo | fooz: poor impulse control |
| 07:45.15 | Guerin | lilo: as true on subnational and national and international levels as it is on personal |
| 07:45.16 | jfergus | I need help getting /dev/sequencer up and working. I think it is right in /etc/modutils/alsa-base, but snd-seq-oss does not get loaded and the node does not get created |
| 07:45.16 | Noob2Debian | Overand .. prefs from within XMMS? |
| 07:45.23 | Overand | Noob2Debian: yes |
| 07:45.25 | lilo | Guerin: definitely so |
| 07:45.29 | directhex | !info dvr |
| 07:45.30 | Guerin | lilo: but I think that might be getting beyond this topic :) |
| 07:45.33 | dpkg | dvr: (Digital Video Recorder), section graphics, is optional. Version: 3.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 315 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 07:45.38 | lilo | Guerin: but it's as much shown by people with a political cause as people in formal power |
| 07:45.49 | peterS | this is ##l4m3r-psych now? |
| 07:45.58 | Overand | I'm considering opening a cafeshop that sells bumper stickers that say "I <3 GAS" |
| 07:46.02 | Overand | with a red heart |
| 07:46.02 | Guerin | peterS: pretty much |
| 07:46.09 | Overand | of course, we would NOT suggest that people stick them on SUVs |
| 07:46.12 | Overand | that would be criminal |
| 07:46.16 | Overand | ;) |
| 07:46.24 | fooz | peterS, depends if you're going to lay down on the psychiatrist's chair.. :P |
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| 07:46.37 | peterS | Overand: oh, you mean, it would be horrible vandalism to buy a bumper sticker to apply to a stranger's vehicle. yes. it would. terrible. |
| 07:46.41 | Willis | Want to reord video "Simular to Tivo" using a pc, but from remote cameras ... what software to use with linux ? |
| 07:46.47 | heloo | Can anyone tell me how to mount a usb cdrom drive |
| 07:46.52 | stouset | Overand: Noob needs you to tell him the preference again :-) |
| 07:46.53 | Overand | Willis: MythTV is ffreat |
| 07:46.57 | lilo | peterS: sorry....I was just thinking about it, and it occurred to me that we're really dealing with a mild form of mental illness |
| 07:47.03 | Overand | Noob2Debian: prefs - audio CD - options - digital |
| 07:47.12 | lilo | peterS: it was sort of a breakthrough thought, I guess I should have kept it to myself :) |
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| 07:47.44 | peterS | lilo: heh. no harm done, I figure. channel regulars wanted to talk about it. I'm pretty tolerant of these things, I just get an urge to point them out from time to time |
| 07:47.53 | lilo | peterS: that's fair |
| 07:47.56 | stouset | peterS: There was actually a site out there that gave away bumper stickers that say, "I'm changing the environment, ask me how!" that he would put on SUVs |
| 07:47.59 | stouset | peterS: hehe |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:48.11 | dondelelcaro | peterS: a nuclear weapon too? |
| 07:48.19 | peterS | dondelelcaro: in a side car |
| 07:48.20 | lilo | peterS: I guess after 11 years, I just find myself more and more trying to nail down what's going on, and at least comment when I see people getting away with setting a bad example |
| 07:48.24 | Overand | You know, people piss all over WINE all the time, but i've found performance to be surprisingly good even on this P2-400 |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | peterS: step away from the drive-thru window! |
| 07:48.36 | lilo | peterS: which is pretty much what the channel spamming is all about 8) |
| 07:48.36 | Willis | What amout of storage can you get in digital video, ? |
| 07:48.37 | heloo | Can anyone tell me how to mount a usb cdrom drive? thanks |
| 07:48.47 | peterS | lilo: *nod* |
| 07:49.04 | directhex | WINE helped me pass my driving theory test, due to its magical ability to use my training/practice shovelware cds |
| 07:49.11 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I see I wasn't the only one, when people started mentioning 'poor impulse control', to think of that character in that book |
| 07:49.15 | lilo | some people will consider it a sport, but it's really more of a psychological failing |
| 07:49.28 | lilo | peterS: rereading it now 8) |
| 07:49.33 | Noob2Debian | ok .. I dont see digital as an option in prefs .. but also on the first page there is an option |
| 07:49.34 | peterS | heh |
| 07:49.35 | lilo | peterS: the phrase really seemed to fit though |
| 07:49.39 | peterS | indeed |
| 07:49.51 | stouset | Noob2Debian: turn that on then |
| 07:49.52 | Noob2Debian | output sound plugin is set to ossi should i set that to something else |
| 07:49.56 | lilo | Guerin: I think there's a cost/benefit calculation |
| 07:49.58 | directhex | Guerin, depends whether you sing any Abba, rather than just Bohemian Rhapsody |
| 07:50.01 | Willis | what to use to setup a Digital video recording system on a PC running Linux ? |
| 07:50.04 | jfergus | heloo: What does the log say when you plug it in? |
| 07:50.05 | karsten | Guerin: Only if you've got a motorcycle with a sidecar. |
| 07:50.06 | stouset | Yes n00b :-) |
| 07:50.07 | lilo | Guerin: in a karaoke bar, people pretty much know what they're getting |
| 07:50.11 | Noob2Debian | lol let me finish |
| 07:50.14 | Guerin | hrm, yeah, cost/beneift is a huge part of karaoke |
| 07:50.18 | fooz | lilo, do i have some sort of mental illness if, after being exposed to so many humans, it takes all of my willpower to keep from actually *killing* them in a rage? |
| 07:50.26 | stouset | Noob: XMMS, not being part of GNOME, doesn't use the GNOME backends for audio (gstreamer) so it won't obey preferences anywhere else |
| 07:50.33 | lilo | fooz: you don't do it |
| 07:50.35 | stouset | Noob: One of the many reasons I don't like XMMS, mplayer, etc. |
| 07:50.35 | karsten | lilo: Catch my #freenode comments? |
| 07:50.39 | directhex | Willis, your use iof the word "Digtal" in every sentance is redundant and annoying. and you've already bveen given two possible software packages |
| 07:50.40 | Guerin | "What's worse: make a dick out of yourself, but garner tha admiration of your friends,, or have to watch them do same..." |
| 07:50.45 | lilo | fooz: that's probably an indicator of some mental health ;) |
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| 07:51.17 | Guerin | stouset: that's a HUGE benefit for xmms and mplayer |
| 07:51.29 | Noob2Debian | I do not see an option for digital anywhere in prefs options |
| 07:51.35 | Guerin | stouset: since the gnome backends for everything media-related are horrendously bad |
| 07:51.37 | stouset | Guerin: :-P |
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| 07:51.46 | stouset | Guerin: Bah, gstreamer is rocking. |
| 07:51.57 | Guerin | no, it most certainly is not |
| 07:52.04 | directhex | gstreamer will be fine when you can edit track information when using it |
| 07:52.09 | fooz | lilo, bah |
| 07:52.09 | Guerin | well, rocking on the edge of usability |
| 07:52.37 | stouset | It's got its shortcomings, but it's only at 0.8 |
| 07:52.41 | stouset | It's got a lot of potential |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 07:52.55 | Guerin | because version numbers are SO meaningful |
| 07:53.15 | fooz | you can't go by that, anyway.. a lot of projects are rock solid by 0.8 :P |
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| 07:54.04 | Guerin | ok, my ride is leaving |
| 07:54.05 | stouset | Well, it's an appropriate version for where it's at, I think. |
| 07:54.09 | Guerin | see y'all tomorrow |
| 07:54.12 | fooz | lilo, if you see "Las Vegas computer geek goes on shooting rampage" you'll know who it is eh? |
| 07:54.22 | directhex | other than the track info editing i've no complaints about gstreamer for now. it has been quite iffy fairly recently though |
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| 07:54.33 | directhex | i've filed bugs on gstreamer & rhythmbox with good reason |
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| 07:55.55 | toresbe | yeah |
| 07:56.04 | peterS | fooz: as a personal favor to you, I'll tell the cops I don't keep irc logs |
| 07:56.06 | toresbe | and I've seen some v4l quirks with it, too |
| 07:56.13 | fooz | peterS, hehe |
| 07:56.13 | toresbe | at worst segfaultin |
| 07:56.15 | toresbe | at worst segfaultin..g |
| 07:56.26 | fooz | wtf i lost my Squeak install |
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| 07:56.49 | directhex | i don't have any apps i use with v4l/gstreamer |
| 07:57.04 | directhex | the only machine i USE v4l on uses mythtv for things |
| 07:58.15 | Overand | ok wtf how do you change text size with the text tool in GIMP? am i just missing something here? |
| 07:58.36 | dondelelcaro | Overand: double click on the text tool |
| 07:58.53 | Overand | oh hell |
| 07:58.57 | Overand | it's right in th emain tool window |
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| 07:59.20 | Overand | thanks don |
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| 08:00.01 | Noob2Debian | ok this is erkin me it says that digital extraction checks out ok cdrom checks ok but i cant seem to get the cdrom to play |
| 08:00.05 | llama32 | wtf does "This APT has super-cow powers" mean? |
| 08:00.12 | Overand | heh |
| 08:00.15 | Overand | apt-get moo |
| 08:00.25 | Overand | Noob2Debian: do other sound sources work? |
| 08:00.39 | Noob2Debian | I dont have any other sources |
| 08:00.43 | llama32 | rofl |
| 08:00.49 | Noob2Debian | atm |
| 08:01.02 | Overand | Noob2Debian: http://somafm.org |
| 08:01.16 | Overand | paste thjis in to 'url' on xmms: http://somafm.org/groovesalad.pls |
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| 08:02.24 | Overand | ok |
| 08:02.28 | Overand | now i need a giant vector heart |
| 08:02.39 | Overand | any fonts that are like 'dingbats' style fonts with hearts and whatnot? |
| 08:02.39 | fooz | Overand, making a sticker? |
| 08:02.46 | Overand | fooz: ...no.... of course not... |
| 08:02.47 | Overand | heh |
| 08:02.57 | fooz | Overand, install Inkscape and draw one. it's an SVG program.. like Illustrator |
| 08:03.07 | Overand | eh |
| 08:03.09 | Overand | hm |
| 08:03.10 | fooz | Overand, then you can blow it up huge |
| 08:03.16 | directhex | Overand, secret agent > groove salad |
| 08:03.17 | Overand | well this is already a large file |
| 08:03.24 | Overand | directhex: it was just a random pick |
| 08:03.27 | Overand | man |
| 08:03.33 | Overand | you're down on me. 3do sucks, goove salad sucks |
| 08:03.44 | directhex | i'm just an asshole |
| 08:03.45 | Overand | next thing you're gonna tell me $ircclientiuse > IRSSI |
| 08:04.06 | Overand | wait here it comes... |
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| 08:04.20 | fooz | Overand, irssi > irssi |
| 08:04.23 | Overand | heh |
| 08:04.27 | directhex | !start a badger war |
| 08:04.27 | dpkg | snakes suck compared to mushrooms |
| 08:04.28 | fooz | Overand, so.. HA |
| 08:05.07 | Overand | oh man |
| 08:05.12 | Overand | have you listened to stuff in AAC+ |
| 08:05.13 | Overand | ? |
| 08:05.23 | Overand | it's great. we need an open format that does that well in low bitrate |
| 08:05.29 | stouset | Noob: Sound working? |
| 08:05.33 | stouset | Say yes, so I can sleep. |
| 08:05.37 | fooz | what is aac? isn't that an apple one? |
| 08:05.39 | dotsony | exit |
| 08:05.55 | Overand | fooz: yeah, and AAC+ is someone else's technology shoehorned onto AAC |
| 08:05.58 | directhex | Overand, yeah, wish i had something like that. even better, something that works on my rio karma |
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| 08:06.02 | Overand | (for low bitrates) |
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| 08:06.17 | Overand | directhex: ogg is *ok* at lower bitrates. but most of my crap on my karma is still flac |
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| 08:06.33 | directhex | i use middle bitrate vorbis. |
| 08:06.36 | Overand | directhex: there's rumor of a protable HD comingout that's 40 that FITS. and an 80 that you shoehorn in |
| 08:07.04 | directhex | off to work |
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| 08:07.18 | Overand | have a blast |
| 08:07.20 | Noob2Debian | holy crap im a total dumbass |
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| 08:07.30 | Overand | speajers off |
| 08:07.33 | Overand | mixer muted? |
| 08:07.37 | simonrvn | just now noticed? :P |
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| 08:07.47 | Noob2Debian | bleh dint ask the public ) |
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| 08:08.01 | stouset | Noob: hm? |
| 08:08.20 | Noob2Debian | I just didnt see how it worked is all selecting things |
| 08:08.20 | ansong | hi, can anyone tell me if there's an easy way to know if you've been rooted? |
| 08:08.21 | SirTux | good morning |
| 08:08.26 | Noob2Debian | just totally different |
| 08:08.31 | Overand | ansong: app called 'chkrootkit' |
| 08:08.33 | stouset | Noob2Debian: ...so...sound is working? |
| 08:08.39 | Noob2Debian | yes I hear my cd |
| 08:08.42 | stouset | Woot. |
| 08:08.42 | Noob2Debian | sounds good |
| 08:08.49 | stouset | Noob2Debian: So...what was the problem? |
| 08:08.54 | Overand | user error |
| 08:09.00 | Overand | he didn't select anything to play... |
| 08:09.01 | Noob2Debian | ok in the window where you choose what you want |
| 08:09.04 | stouset | hahahahaha |
| 08:09.11 | ansong | Overand, know of any symptoms? |
| 08:09.14 | Overand | Noob2Debian: may i suggest you buy a mac? |
| 08:09.19 | Overand | ansong: yeah. pwnage |
| 08:09.23 | stouset | ansong: scripts failing with weird errors |
| 08:09.32 | Overand | bandwidth spike |
| 08:09.37 | Overand | higher load averagesw |
| 08:09.39 | stouset | ansong: Due to slight differences in flags that programs accept |
| 08:09.40 | Overand | oddp rocesses |
| 08:09.47 | Noob2Debian | the only thing I could figure out with the mac at paypal was how easy it was to setup the NIC |
| 08:09.51 | Overand | depdens on hte rootkit |
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| 08:10.14 | stouset | ansong: Why do you think you've been rooted? Porn on your webpage? |
| 08:10.44 | pureone | apt-get install chkrootkit |
| 08:11.19 | Noob2Debian | as always . thanks for the help to newb guys ... my books are outdated ..and not specific to debian ... anyone suggest a book i can buy |
| 08:11.22 | man_in_shack | apt-get --purge remove annoyance |
| 08:11.25 | stouset | man_in_shack: wait until sarge is released. Nobody's going to maintain an xorg port until Sarge gets released. |
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| 08:11.35 | man_in_shack | stouset, i know |
| 08:11.46 | stouset | Noob2Debian: There aren't many (any?) Debian books AFAIK. |
| 08:11.51 | man_in_shack | it was supposed to be a couple of months away about 6 months ago :| |
| 08:11.58 | Noob2Debian | o |
| 08:11.59 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Most of what you would ever want is in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 08:12.32 | stouset | Noob2Debian: that should be your first source of documentation. The bts (/msg dpkg bts) is also a good place to look if things aren't working properly. |
| 08:12.38 | karamelos | has debian renamed gnomebaker as gcombust or are they different programs? |
| 08:12.50 | stouset | if all else fails, google for whatever you're trying to do and add "debian" |
| 08:12.58 | stouset | or just ask here :-) |
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| 08:13.39 | Noob2Debian | ok ..just checking then .. is it me .. or is there no 'explorer' like tool ? |
| 08:13.54 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Nautilus. Click on the "user's home" icon on your desktop. |
| 08:13.55 | ansong | Overand, its just weird. and i'd normally associate these symptoms with spyware. except i don't know of any that'll infect a *nix box. what happens is every once in a while, i'll be browsing in firefox, and it'll suddenly load a random webpage. and its not one thats on the clipboard, or in my bookmarks, or anything... |
| 08:14.01 | stouset | Or Applications->File Browser |
| 08:14.16 | Overand | ansong: middle-click-itis? |
| 08:14.22 | stouset | GNOME |
| 08:14.26 | stouset | er |
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| 08:15.37 | stouset | In the latest release, Nautilus uses a "spatial browser" concept. A lot of people think it's retarded. If you want to change it, go to Applications->System Tools->Configuration Editor. In that, go to /apps/nautilus/preferences, and check "always_use_browser" |
| 08:16.11 | Noob2Debian | hope i win the lottery someday soon so i can grill steaks and take all you thats been helping me to the zoo one day |
| 08:16.32 | Noob2Debian | 'zoo's the only thing we got left here =) |
| 08:16.42 | ansong | Overand, i _am_ using a touchpad, but how on earth do i spontaneously generate a valid url, paste it into the address bar and hit enter? |
| 08:16.53 | stouset | Haha, sweet. Beef, straight from the source ;) |
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| 08:17.24 | Overand | ansong: i have no idea |
| 08:17.38 | Overand | but that's a damned bizarre behavior to get on an app |
| 08:17.55 | debian | Noob2Debian: ok, you won the lottery and only take us to zoo? :) |
| 08:18.15 | Noob2Debian | btw if you like steak and you've never had one marrinated in Allegro Teriyaki I highly suggest .... LOL |
| 08:18.16 | stouset | A quick rundown: Nautilus' default "Spatial Browser" mode doesn't expose the hierarchy to you. You open a directory, and it opens in a new window. Every directory only has *one* window, so you can't have five windows all pointing to the one directory. It's supposed to treat it more like a "physical object". It retains the window position for each individual directory, as well as where in that window you were scrolled to. The browser mode |
| 08:18.23 | Noob2Debian | well ... the zoo here is pretty cool |
| 08:18.27 | debian | Noob2Debian: no strip club? |
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| 08:18.39 | man_in_shack | http://dwdraw.homeunix.org/xorg/xorg-building.html << fun fun :) |
| 08:18.54 | Noob2Debian | those places make me uncomfortable for some reason Debian .. (im not gay) |
| 08:19.27 | ansong | Overand, all i'm getting from chkrootkit is "eth0: PACKET SNIFER(/sbin/dhclient[xxxx])" thats the only line that doesn't say something like "nothing found" or "not infected" |
| 08:19.31 | Overand | damnit, 'webdings' makes a crappy heart |
| 08:19.46 | Overand | ansong: are you running ettercap or anything whacky like that? |
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| 08:19.49 | debian | Noob2Debian: yeah, especially when someone put money into your panty.... |
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| 08:19.59 | nagual | ansong: thats cause the interface need to be in promiscous mode for dhcp, nothing to worry about |
| 08:20.11 | man_in_shack | bah. http://debian.linux-systeme.com/ is down :( |
| 08:20.30 | Noob2Debian | I think my biggest issue is (at least here) you can look but you cant touch .. I'm like .. whats the friggin point then..? |
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| 08:21.11 | Noob2Debian | then I start thinking ... damn I hope my daughter doesnt end up in a place like this ... lol |
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| 08:21.25 | eye69 | Anybody know what is causing Sarge to install caudium without me asking for it? |
| 08:21.29 | nagual | Noob2Debian: dont WORRY, if she does ill take good care of her |
| 08:21.37 | debian | Noob2Debian: you can touch but you gotta pay more |
| 08:21.40 | nagual | eye69: nope, but its very common, i had that too, just remove it |
| 08:21.42 | Noob2Debian | heheh... thx nagual |
| 08:21.52 | nagual | welcome |
| 08:21.53 | nagual | ;-) |
| 08:21.54 | ansong | Overand, nope. shall i chalk it up to a possible emerging sentience in my computer? |
| 08:21.56 | eye69 | nagual: Had it on a bunch of machines. Bloody annoying. |
| 08:22.14 | nagual | eye69: yea, its apache or something that does it iirc. (apache2?) |
| 08:22.49 | stouset | ansong: What have you noticed? |
| 08:22.56 | stouset | ansong: chkrootkit isn't perfect |
| 08:23.13 | stouset | Noob: Nautilus working well for you? |
| 08:23.29 | nagual | btw eye69, that av worked fine, it found a couple of more virii. thanks. |
| 08:23.44 | Noob2Debian | ok I missed nautilus .. scrolling up |
| 08:24.02 | stouset | Noob2Debian: File browser thingie. |
| 08:24.07 | Overand | So what app can I run to look at all the characters a font contains? |
| 08:24.26 | stouset | Noob2Debian: I was talking about the difference between it as a spatial browser and a tree browser |
| 08:24.26 | Overand | nevermind |
| 08:24.38 | pureone | chkrootkit aint perfect but it does a good job |
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| 08:25.05 | Noob2Debian | reading |
| 08:25.17 | eye69 | nagual: Ahhh, bug #297702 |
| 08:25.21 | debian | nagual: I think that's my job |
| 08:25.23 | Rydekull | hmm, any suggestion on a program to find out what _type_ and what err.. vendor of the memory in the machine it is? |
| 08:25.34 | nagual | eye69: url? |
| 08:25.37 | nagual | :) |
| 08:25.37 | ansong | stouset, every once in a while, i'll be browsing along (firefox, debian testing, synaptics touchpad) and the page i'm at will suddenly change to a completely different page. the urls that i end up at aren't pornographic or anything, but neither are they links on the page i was in previously, something from my bookmarks, or something in the clipboard. so i'm going wtf? |
| 08:25.52 | eye69 | nagual: bugs.debian.org/297702 |
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| 08:25.59 | McGuigan | I'm new to linux, and I have just recently installed debian woody 3r4. Why is there only old version of programs included? Gnome 1.4, i.e. It's kind of frustrating. |
| 08:25.59 | pureone | rydekull dmidecode maby? |
| 08:26.00 | nagual | oh |
| 08:26.01 | nagual | thanks |
| 08:26.22 | Overand | McGuigan: woody is an 'old' version more or less |
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| 08:26.27 | Noob2Debian | where did you say i'd find these docs/manuals? |
| 08:26.30 | Overand | however it's the 'stable' work |
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| 08:26.42 | pureone | mcgauigan woody is the stable version its rather old and only gets security updates |
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| 08:27.04 | ansong | stouset, any ideas? |
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| 08:27.19 | pureone | chkrootkit for woody doesnt find packet sniffers :( |
| 08:27.30 | jojotheclown | can someone help me |
| 08:27.30 | heloo | can anyone point to on mounting a usb cdrom drive? |
| 08:27.38 | jojotheclown | i cant upload at all |
| 08:27.49 | timzter | hi, my machine for the first time tonight boots up fine at first then before I get the root prompt, I get a bunch of error message: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error} etc... ..it just keeps going and going like this. |
| 08:27.57 | jojotheclown | on xdcc or azerus |
| 08:28.04 | stouset | ansong: Weird. Doesn't sound like a rootkit, though. |
| 08:28.12 | ansong | timzter, your drive might be dying |
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| 08:28.25 | stouset | Rydekull: Best I know, there's no way to find the manufacturer. I could be wrong. |
| 08:28.27 | karsten | Noob2Debian: /usr/share/doc/ is where docs live. |
| 08:28.29 | timzter | ansong: DyING? Is it salvageable? |
| 08:28.33 | ansong | stouset, does it sound like _anything_? |
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| 08:28.59 | stouset | !tell McGuigan about d-i |
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| 08:29.05 | McGuigan | overand: Is fedora pherhaps easier as a starting-point to linux? How is debian considered as your first linux experience? |
| 08:29.08 | qwertz | Hi! When I came to work this morning my proftpd didn't accept any logins anymore - yesterday there was no problem, login process stops already if I provide the username - any ideas? |
| 08:29.15 | timzter | the drive is only a little over a year old...sigh... made in Taiwan! The price you pay for outsourcing :) |
| 08:29.16 | karsten | McGuigan: woody == 'stable' It was released in 2002. Stable releases get security/bugfix updates only. |
| 08:29.17 | stouset | ansong: Dunno what to tell you :-) |
| 08:29.18 | Overand | McGuigan: it was my second |
| 08:29.20 | Overand | more or less |
| 08:29.23 | Overand | i screwed with mandrake a bit |
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| 08:29.28 | Overand | i actually think debian makes a lot of sense |
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| 08:29.35 | Overand | how adept are you with computers in general, though? |
| 08:29.41 | stouset | McGuigan: Debian used to be extremely hard for new folks. With Sarge, it's becoming far, far easier. |
| 08:29.43 | karsten | McGuigan: If you want current SW, testing or unstable. You can upgreade directly from your current install, no reinstall necessary. |
| 08:29.53 | ansong | timzter, if it is dying, then no. i'd get another disk and back up your important stuff. you didn't do anything like recompile your kernel right before this happened did you? |
| 08:30.06 | CyzarX | what is the regular expression for ip ? |
| 08:30.06 | Rydekull | pureone: # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry. |
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| 08:30.14 | Rydekull | stouset: err, huh? |
| 08:30.14 | ansong | stouset, ok. thanks for the help |
| 08:30.23 | karsten | !tell McGuigan about stable |
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| 08:30.27 | karsten | !tell McGuigan about unstable |
| 08:30.29 | stouset | Rydekull: I'm not sure it's possible to query for the manufacturer of memory. |
| 08:30.36 | _blue | anyone here use fluxkeys with debian? |
| 08:30.41 | stouset | I'm outta here guys. |
| 08:30.43 | stouset | Work in 4.5 hours =P |
| 08:30.46 | stouset | *cry* |
| 08:30.56 | timzter | ansong: No. The machine has been on for over 50 days straight and I dindt recompile kernel or install anything on it |
| 08:30.56 | sdogi | i have school -2 hours |
| 08:31.04 | Noob2Debian | dont cry . i'll see you in bout 14 hrs |
| 08:31.17 | Noob2Debian | =) |
| 08:31.19 | stouset | sdogi: I have school after work :-) |
| 08:31.34 | ansong | timzter, heat perhaps? i'd start preparing for the worst... |
| 08:31.36 | Noob2Debian | ok maybe 20 hours the |
| 08:31.41 | stouset | sdogi: Work: 8AM-4PM, School: 5PM-8PM =\ |
| 08:31.53 | sdogi | stouset: huh, man that stresses out |
| 08:31.54 | McGuigan | krasten: but what is the main difference between fedora and deb? heard some friends say that fedora is easier to use. i'm thinking about removing deb and try fedora. |
| 08:31.58 | stouset | Noob2Debian: laptop. You'll see me in 4.5 hours ;) |
| 08:32.08 | Noob2Debian | lol sweet! |
| 08:32.13 | jojotheclown | can someone help me figure out why i cannont upload |
| 08:32.15 | nagual | McGuigan: good idea, you do that! |
| 08:32.16 | ansong | 'nite all, thanks for the help. timzter, good luck |
| 08:32.21 | Noob2Debian | holy cow is this right 2.5 gig of docs? |
| 08:32.29 | timzter | ansong: then again, I see a bunch of postings on a similar complaint, but it seems they are saying it's due to the kernel: http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-2002-06/msg00404.html |
| 08:32.51 | stouset | McGuigan: Fedora in some cases is easier. It's generally been considered a distribution for new folks for a long time. On the other hand, a lot of Fedora sucks very, very badly. Very little on Debian is outright bad, although some things could have improved usability. |
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| 08:33.12 | stouset | McGuigan. It should be fairly easy to upgrade your current system to sarge, so give that a shot before you try out Fedora. |
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| 08:33.46 | McGuigan | stouset: thanks. and the easiest way to upgrade to sarge would be... ? |
| 08:33.47 | Noob2Debian | stouset .. > go to bed your going to sleep @ work n get fired |
| 08:34.06 | Noob2Debian | get the netinst like I did .. If I can do it .. you can |
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| 08:34.17 | stouset | Anyone else want to tell McGuigan how to upgrade to sarge? I need sleep :-) |
| 08:34.18 | pureone | netinstall is real nice |
| 08:34.24 | Overand | well |
| 08:34.27 | Overand | the 'easy' way |
| 08:34.28 | stouset | Noob2Debian: Nah, if he's already installed woody he can simply upgrade through apt. |
| 08:34.36 | Overand | is to edit your sources.list |
| 08:34.42 | Overand | or your apt.cfg or whatever he hell it is |
| 08:34.43 | Noob2Debian | oh .. crap i better shut my trap .. |
| 08:34.44 | stouset | Noob2Debian: though there's something to be said for doing fresh from a CD |
| 08:34.45 | pureone | wouldnt he need to just edit the sources list? |
| 08:34.48 | Overand | !dpkg upgrade |
| 08:34.48 | dpkg | upgrade is probably what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 08:34.52 | stouset | Overand: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:34.59 | Overand | stouset: i know where sources.list is |
| 08:34.59 | jojotheclown | ;( can anyone help me to upload |
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| 08:35.09 | stouset | McGuigan: Okay, since Overand's instructions were a little vague, do this: |
| 08:35.12 | Overand | there's just another file that refernces the current distro |
| 08:35.13 | pureone | !security |
| 08:35.13 | dpkg | i guess security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your sources.list |
| 08:35.19 | Overand | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:35.25 | Overand | change 'stable' to 'sarge' |
| 08:35.25 | stouset | McGuigan: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and where you see "stable" or "woody" replace it with "sarge". |
| 08:35.39 | Overand | you'll need to be root or have root privs to edit that file |
| 08:35.48 | stouset | McGuigan: type apt-get update, hit enter, and when that finishes, type apt-get dist-upgrade and hit enter. |
| 08:35.58 | Overand | (also, do you suppose his sources.list even has proper sources?) |
| 08:36.04 | Overand | McGuigan: did you do a net install? |
| 08:36.11 | stouset | The dist-upgrade will take a reasonably long time to download and finish. When it's near completion, it'll probably ask you some questions. |
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| 08:37.19 | stouset | G'nite. Serious this time. |
| 08:37.20 | stouset | I hope |
| 08:37.29 | McGuigan | stouset: I downloaded the isos and installed from cds. But I think i entered 'use www' as secondary source, or something, because the installer downloaded a whole lot of programs from the internet. |
| 08:37.35 | Noob2Debian | ok its almost 3am here I better get to bed or the lil woman gets miffy |
| 08:37.46 | Noob2Debian | gnite all |
| 08:38.26 | stouset | McGuigan: you know, the easiest thing in the end may be to just go to http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso and install off that iso |
| 08:38.43 | stouset | :-) |
| 08:38.51 | stouset | With any luck, everything should "just work". |
| 08:39.03 | stouset | Without luck, well, there's always this channel :-) |
| 08:39.09 | pureone | im doing that my self on another system |
| 08:39.27 | McGuigan | stouset: sounded easier to do that first thing you mentioned. upgrade via internet. |
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| 08:39.51 | stouset | McGuigan: Well, in theory it is, but there's a slight difference... |
| 08:40.32 | McGuigan | stouset: okay, but thanks for the help.. i'll probably return with more newb questions :) |
| 08:40.37 | stouset | McGuigan: the distro upgrade will upgrade all your packages, and install any other packages that the new ones need. However, some new packages have been included in sarge that are in the new install that won't be included by the dist-upgrade |
| 08:40.50 | jojotheclown | can no one help me get febian to upload |
| 08:40.56 | jojotheclown | debian |
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| 08:41.20 | sdogi | febian :D |
| 08:41.27 | stouset | For instance, most of the hardware in Woody you had to load modules for manually, etc. If you upgrade to sarge, it won't install the packages that do a lot of things automatically for you. On the other hand, the Sarge CD install is a "known-good" easy to use install of Sarge, with all the automagic stuff done for you. |
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| 08:41.39 | stouset | So that would probably in the long run be easier, even though it would require burning a new CD :-) |
| 08:41.41 | rixth | How can one 'logout' from a protected area (Apache 2 server)? I've asked in #apapche but its dead. |
| 08:41.45 | stouset | Fedorbian! |
| 08:41.45 | sep | jojotheclown: you cant upload using dcc ? that's most likely a firewall/nat issue and not related to debian ata ll |
| 08:41.48 | pureone | fedora + debian |
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| 08:41.59 | stouset | rixth: what do you mean a protected area? |
| 08:42.02 | jojotheclown | no sep, its also bittorren6 |
| 08:42.09 | dondelelcaro | rixth: usually by destroying the cookie, or using a wrong login|password combo |
| 08:42.12 | rixth | A directory secured by htacccess |
| 08:42.15 | Overand | jojotheclown: that's definately not a debian problem, that's your firewall |
| 08:42.18 | sdogi | pureone: could also be freebsd + debian :) |
| 08:42.18 | jojotheclown | i know my firewall is configured correctly. |
| 08:42.33 | Overand | jojotheclown: let me guess, you're using a cablemodem / dsl modem and a linksys/dlink/whatever router |
| 08:42.36 | Overand | right/ |
| 08:42.46 | sdogi | pureone: freebian |
| 08:42.47 | rixth | dondelecarlo, the trick of sending up a 401 doesn' |
| 08:42.49 | jojotheclown | riight, but i have it set up to allow all protocols to send out |
| 08:42.53 | rixth | 't work for opera. |
| 08:42.58 | Overand | jojotheclown: you don't ned to 'send out' to do DCC |
| 08:43.01 | jojotheclown | and i have the ports open for bit torrent |
| 08:43.03 | Overand | you need to accept incoming connections |
| 08:43.05 | dondelelcaro | rixth: well, then opera has it's own issues. |
| 08:43.05 | jojotheclown | and for dcc also |
| 08:43.07 | stouset | Argh...leaving. Serious this time again! |
| 08:43.10 | Overand | jojotheclown: you cAN't just open ports |
| 08:43.17 | Overand | you need to forward them to the right machine inside your network |
| 08:43.33 | Overand | and unless you specified an IP during debian install, you're probably getting your INTERNAL ip via DHCP |
| 08:43.33 | jojotheclown | err they are set up to forward to my boc |
| 08:43.35 | rixth | Nor does it work for Firefox. |
| 08:43.36 | jojotheclown | box |
| 08:43.42 | Overand | and it may not be the same as your windows box's IP was |
| 08:43.44 | dondelelcaro | rixth: this is why it's often better to use cookie based logins instead of http auth. |
| 08:43.58 | jojotheclown | oh |
| 08:44.01 | Overand | jojotheclown: run 'ifconfig' in a console and see what your IP is, make sure it matfhes up with your router settings |
| 08:44.05 | jojotheclown | k |
| 08:44.07 | Overand | but this isn't debian help |
| 08:44.10 | Overand | this is basic computer help |
| 08:44.11 | dondelelcaro | rixth: not a 401, but having the *user* send the wrong login|password combo. |
| 08:44.12 | rixth | Using cookie based, is that digest auth? |
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| 08:44.37 | dondelelcaro | rixth: no, it's not. |
| 08:44.39 | stouset | crap, stop having interesting conversations |
| 08:44.45 | jojotheclown | Overand, it matches up |
| 08:44.50 | stouset | I demand that the entire channel's dealings be put on hold so that I can pry myself away from the monitor. |
| 08:44.56 | stouset | Thank you. |
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| 08:44.57 | jojotheclown | on eth0 as the ip my firewall dhcp gives it |
| 08:44.58 | Overand | jojotheclown: 'dcc' uses a LOT of ports |
| 08:45.05 | Overand | and jojotheclown bittorrent doesn't use 'a port' |
| 08:45.10 | Overand | it uses whatever port the client specified |
| 08:45.14 | Overand | there's no standard bittorrent port |
| 08:45.20 | rixth | dondelecarlo, how do I set it up, is it an Apache module |
| 08:45.22 | Overand | 6881 is *common* but not *standard* |
| 08:45.34 | Overand | jojotheclown: you'll need to set your bittorrent client to use (whatever) port |
| 08:45.49 | dondelelcaro | rixth: no, it's not. You actually handle the logins using a handler instead of doing digest authentication. |
| 08:46.09 | sdogi | this newer bittornado used some strange ports if i remember correct.. not 6881:6889 |
| 08:46.44 | sdogi | maybe it was bittorrent original client too but i'm not sure because i don't use it |
| 08:46.49 | Overand | sdogi: it really doesn't matter what port it uses |
| 08:46.58 | Overand | when the client connects to the tracker, it announces what port it listens on |
| 08:47.06 | rixth | dondelecarlo, what has happened is, i have accessed my secure area through a proxy, so now, if anyone tries to access the protected area via that proxy. they wont need to enter a pass |
| 08:47.07 | sdogi | Overand: well if you want to poke holes to your firewall then it matters |
| 08:47.21 | Ikarus | 6881 to 6889 was the original set of bittorrent ports |
| 08:47.23 | Overand | yeah |
| 08:47.35 | dondelelcaro | rixth: so access your secured area with the wrong login and password. |
| 08:47.35 | Overand | i'm just saying that he can go to his prefs and change it in his client |
| 08:47.49 | jojotheclown | k thanks i will see exactly whats going on and check everything |
| 08:47.52 | sdogi | Overand: true |
| 08:47.53 | jojotheclown | ill be back |
| 08:47.53 | Overand | it 'doesn't matter' in that he can set it to use whatever ports he wants with no consequences |
| 08:47.53 | dondelelcaro | rixth: on most machines that'll flush the queue. Or restart the browser. |
| 08:47.57 | Overand | jojotheclown: also, don't use ports below 1024 |
| 08:48.13 | Overand | normal users cannot open incoming ports below 1024 |
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| 08:48.22 | Overand | only root, and you don't want to run your apps as root |
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| 08:48.45 | jojotheclown | ok |
| 08:48.49 | LaidBack_01 | hey, what's the commonly used debian now? Is sarge the new one or? what's the one in testing I guess. The name of the dist in testing is what I want. |
| 08:49.00 | dondelelcaro | LaidBack_01: that's sarge. |
| 08:49.07 | LaidBack_01 | okay, thanks |
| 08:49.27 | Overand | yeah we're still on woody for stable |
| 08:49.27 | pureone | overand thats strange normal users can bind to ports higher then 1025? |
| 08:49.36 | Overand | pureone: afaik, yeah |
| 08:49.42 | Overand | normal users can open ports above 1024 |
| 08:49.51 | Overand | i believe 1024 is the cutoff |
| 08:49.54 | pureone | i just tryed it with netcat turns out your right |
| 08:49.56 | Overand | it's a 'standards' thhing |
| 08:49.59 | llama32 | how do i see if a file exists in c? is there an easier/better way than fopen-ing it and checking the returned value? |
| 08:50.13 | pureone | 1024 are commonly used ports for services |
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| 08:50.17 | Ikarus | llama32: stat() ? |
| 08:50.20 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.33 | Overand | yeah. |
| 08:50.42 | pureone | thats strange i never noticed that before |
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| 08:50.54 | tzafrir | Is there any debian package in testing that allows building a livecd with custom packages? If not: any recomendation for a script/program? |
| 08:51.13 | rixth | dondelecarlo, going http://logout:logut@60.234.142.58/accounts/index.html doesn't do it. |
| 08:51.17 | pureone | ibuild |
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| 08:51.32 | sdogi | yup, though even those services don't usually run as root anymore, they are started as root but then other user takes over, like nobody for apache |
| 08:51.38 | tzafrir | A quick google has fond a number: ibuild, as well as http://web.isteve.bofh.cz/deadcd/ |
| 08:51.43 | llama32 | thanks Ikarus |
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| 08:51.55 | pureone | tzafrir add deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./ to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:52.10 | pureone | then apt-get update && apt-get install ibuild |
| 08:52.10 | sdogi | "nobody" |
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| 08:52.23 | dondelelcaro | rixth: well, then the proxy is the issue, not the web browser. |
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| 08:52.34 | tzafrir | is morphix being actively developed? how recent are their hardware-detection data? |
| 08:52.38 | hlp_me | hey guys, would you happen to konw GOOD peace of software to draw digital circuits and to run simulations? |
| 08:52.43 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir: ask in #morphix, not here. |
| 08:52.47 | tzafrir | sdogi, in debian it is usually www-data |
| 08:53.01 | sdogi | tzafrir: right, seems familiar |
| 08:53.09 | sdogi | tzafrir: i'm too multi-OS |
| 08:53.11 | rixth | It would expire EVENTUALLY though? |
| 08:53.12 | Overand | heloo: good question |
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| 08:53.19 | dondelelcaro | rixth: depends on the proxy. |
| 08:53.20 | pureone | http://ibuild.livecd.net/ |
| 08:53.21 | Overand | er |
| 08:53.25 | Overand | hlp_me: good question |
| 08:53.38 | rixth | Ah yes, I shall just change my password |
| 08:53.39 | dondelelcaro | rixth: if you're really worried about it, change the password. |
| 08:53.48 | tzafrir | dondelelcaro, I want to build a custom debian CD, and want to know if the extra morphix debs source is useful |
| 08:54.02 | sdogi | tzafrir: i know some people who use eagle |
| 08:54.06 | sdogi | bah |
| 08:54.08 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir: dunno... but the people in #morphix would know more about that. |
| 08:54.08 | hlp_me | Overand tkgate looks very good, but i have problmes saving the circuits with it. ther ie no guarantte they will open after you saive it... and no expert into an image.. :( |
| 08:54.10 | pureone | tzafrir check out that site |
| 08:54.11 | sdogi | it was for hlp_me |
| 08:54.16 | sdogi | hlp_me: try eagle |
| 08:54.30 | hlp_me | sdogi under linux? |
| 08:54.37 | dondelelcaro | (not that you really need any additional hardware detection, since d-i pretty much does everything) |
| 08:54.41 | sdogi | yep |
| 08:54.54 | hlp_me | does it do circuit simulation? |
| 08:55.27 | sdogi | hlp_me: you could also come to #electronics |
| 08:55.30 | hlp_me | sdogi does it do circuit simulations? i've heard of the program. but they said it was windows :) |
| 08:55.36 | sdogi | wait i'll browse electric cad stuff |
| 08:55.41 | tzafrir | dondelelcaro, any simple way to make a live-cd using the hardware detection of d-i? |
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| 08:55.48 | hlp_me | sdogi appreciate it |
| 08:56.08 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir: see what ubuntu has done... it's not exactly trivial, but judicious use of discover and/or hotplug can make it practical. |
| 08:56.10 | tzafrir | They didn't sneak in a "livecd" udeb by any chance, did they? :-) |
| 08:56.23 | man_in_shack | i just made a forums.debian.net account |
| 08:56.26 | man_in_shack | You have specified an incorrect or inactive username, or an invalid password. |
| 08:56.42 | man_in_shack | oh wait, silly me |
| 08:56.45 | man_in_shack | disregard |
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| 08:57.05 | dondelelcaro | hlp_me: you'll probably end up using a layout program, and then a circuit simulator, like ngspice or something. |
| 08:57.34 | dondelelcaro | hlp_me: apt-cache search circuit layout; apt-cache search circuit simulation; should help you |
| 08:57.39 | hlp_me | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.45 | fpmc | Hi, I'm having troubles printing a particular file. I can print other pdf files fine, but for one file after I do print, it says in the cups web-administration interface that the job is "aborted", without giving me any errors. Anyone know why that could be? |
| 08:57.51 | sdogi | hlp_me: well there is WWW: chupmunk http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/chipmunk/ which is told to be very good for unix, but nobody has tested it |
| 08:57.54 | sdogi | hlp_me: |
| 08:58.15 | dondelelcaro | hlp_me: the board layout program should be able to output a spice file, since that's fairly standard. |
| 08:58.17 | sdogi | hlp_me: geda |
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| 08:58.32 | Overand | heh |
| 08:58.37 | tzafrir | fpmc, can you view that PDF file with gv? |
| 08:58.47 | Overand | 2ce is a psychedelic phenethylamine, but i'm sure that's not what hlp_me was talking about |
| 08:58.51 | fpmc | tzafrir: I can view it with acroread |
| 08:58.54 | hlp_me | sdogi, hrm.. the chupmunk is in the packages :) |
| 08:58.57 | sdogi | hlp_me: gschem, linux-eagle, spice, pcb |
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| 08:59.06 | tzafrir | fpmc, I believe cups uses ghostscript to convert PDF to postscript |
| 08:59.10 | sdogi | hlp_me: xcircuit |
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| 08:59.25 | fpmc | tzafrir: ok, yes I can't view with gv thanks |
| 08:59.34 | fpmc | tzafrir: I'll look into that thanks |
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| 08:59.40 | hlp_me | sdogi do they all do the simulations as well ad design? |
| 09:00.14 | sdogi | hlp_me: some should, anyway i think there was seperate program for simulations, i'll check more |
| 09:00.34 | sdogi | spice is for simulations |
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| 09:00.42 | hlp_me | erm.. eagle needs some kind of licence key |
| 09:00.57 | sdogi | ahh oregano is too a schematic drawer and simulator |
| 09:01.56 | sdogi | gnucap, electric, chipmunk, cider |
| 09:02.11 | sdogi | also that tkgate is mentioned but you know that already |
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| 09:02.38 | hlp_me | i like the way the tkgate thigns are donw, however it is unrealible, i tried 3 tiems and i lost all my work... :/ |
| 09:03.24 | nksen | how would you start a normal script on startup? has to be started as user, not as root |
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| 09:03.56 | nagual | nksen: you have to define that in the script then. use su or sudo for that. |
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| 09:04.22 | jm_ | nksen: start-stop-daemon allows you to start things as a different user, or use su for non-daemons |
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| 09:07.47 | nksen | jm_: start-stop demon, named? |
| 09:08.15 | nksen | nagual: and how would you call that script? i'm tired of putting it in /etc/init.d and setting the startup-option in the runlevel manually |
| 09:08.24 | Xsquared | hi, i have a bit of a problem. i mounted my mp3 player and copied some files in gnome. then i deleted it, and it went to the ".Trash-mike" on my device. It created the directory and now when i try to delete the dir, under Linux and windoze, it says that it can't delete it because it is corrupt. the filesystem is FAT32, what do i do? |
| 09:08.33 | nagual | nksen: named listens on port 53, that means you at least need to start it as root |
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| 09:08.47 | nagual | nksen: you are probably best off by chrooting it, check out 'makejail' package. |
| 09:08.54 | nksen | nagual: nono :) i mean how this start-stop demon you are talking about is named :) not named like bind |
| 09:08.58 | jm_ | nksen: I don't understand that question |
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| 09:09.06 | nagual | im not talking about start-stop-daemon. |
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| 09:09.14 | Overand | Xsquared: you could always back up what yo need, reformat, and copy back |
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| 09:09.33 | Xsquared | Overand: or, what else can i do? |
| 09:09.37 | nagual | nksen: start-stop-daemon. :) |
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| 09:09.47 | Xsquared | Overand: i don't like formatting |
| 09:09.51 | nksen | jm_: hm. you don't understand... say you got a script called 'start_me.sh', that does everything you need at startup. now what do you do to start it everytime the box boots up? |
| 09:10.12 | nagual | nksen: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 09:10.15 | nagual | and install rcconf |
| 09:10.27 | pureone | mmm rcconf is a good program |
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| 09:10.50 | nksen | nagual: well I don't wanna write my own script for this. don't think it's worth it |
| 09:10.56 | jm_ | nksen: well then just stick it in there and run update-rc.d |
| 09:10.56 | nksen | rcconf is deprecated |
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| 09:11.22 | nagual | rcconf is not deprecated. so its not worth writing a script for, but its worht wasting our time with it? interesting... |
| 09:11.43 | Overand | so you won't use an app to help |
| 09:11.45 | Overand | dude |
| 09:11.46 | nksen | nagual: na, the point is you seem not to get my problem |
| 09:11.47 | Overand | just install webmin |
| 09:11.54 | Overand | and use the 'graphical' startup editing section |
| 09:11.58 | nagual | nksen: its ok, im done 'helping' you anyway :) |
| 09:12.05 | nksen | heh, guess so, yes :) |
| 09:12.13 | drac | Overand: install webmin?! are you in crack? |
| 09:12.20 | Overand | he won't write a script |
| 09:12.27 | Overand | he won't screw with anything under init.d |
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| 09:12.32 | Overand | what does he want us to do? |
| 09:12.38 | Overand | magic it in? |
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| 09:13.33 | nksen | Overand: well. just an example :) gentoo, I don't like that distro but... there e.g. is a file called /etc/conf.d/local.start and you can put all the commands such as 'sh /home/foo/bin/script.sh' and it's executed on startup - done |
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| 09:13.45 | nksen | thought there is s.th. similar but *shrug* so I have to fiddle with the runlevels |
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| 09:14.54 | Overand | nksen: you'd do well to learn how /etc/init.d works |
| 09:15.00 | Overand | and the various runlevels |
| 09:15.02 | nksen | i know how it works |
| 09:15.08 | Overand | So then... what's the problem? |
| 09:15.13 | nksen | just told you |
| 09:15.52 | Overand | well i see 5 minutes of scrollback without scrolling up or down, and i don't see you telling me |
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| 09:16.16 | sdogi | he is just asking if there is a file which is being exec'd at start up |
| 09:16.42 | Gathond | sdogi: yes, but he never told how init.d works |
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| 09:17.05 | sdogi | like gentoos /etc/conf.d/local.start or slackwares /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
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| 09:17.54 | nksen | sdogi got me |
| 09:17.58 | Gathond | sdogi: and Overand answered that there is none, and he would have to learn how init.d works so he can add a script |
| 09:18.01 | LaidBack_01 | okay, I've just finished the base install... debian is almost up. |
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| 09:18.25 | sdogi | Gathond: oh |
| 09:18.35 | Gathond | I seem to recall some bootmisc file that served much the same purpose, but that appears not to be the case on my unstable box, at least the thing contains a script |
| 09:18.35 | pureone | how can i pause a download when downloading with wget ? |
| 09:18.37 | shagor_ | I got debian-2.6.7-1-386 (Sarge). How do I get usb-storage device mounted? |
| 09:18.40 | dondelelcaro | nksen: there are many files that are run at startup. see /etc/inittab; and this will become clear. |
| 09:18.40 | sdogi | nksen: well the point is that there actually is none, but you couldcreate yourself such file |
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| 09:19.19 | sdogi | nksen: or you could use some other daemons script, which is a bit bad though |
| 09:19.29 | jojotheclown | !dpkg bit torrent |
| 09:19.42 | jojotheclown | apt bit torrent |
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| 09:19.48 | dondelelcaro | jojotheclown: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:19.59 | sdogi | !init.d |
| 09:20.00 | dpkg | well, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit |
| 09:20.02 | jojotheclown | i wana know a decent bit torrent |
| 09:20.05 | jojotheclown | client |
| 09:20.10 | dondelelcaro | jojotheclown: bittornado |
| 09:20.11 | jojotheclown | because i cant get azereus to work |
| 09:20.18 | oskie | is there a way to find out what hosts a specific process has connected to? |
| 09:20.24 | dondelelcaro | oskie: netstat |
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| 09:20.49 | nksen | sdogi: ah, great. there is a skeleton-file for this. nice nice... thx a lot |
| 09:20.51 | shagor_ | I have loaded all the necessay modules for loading usb device. |
| 09:20.53 | jojotheclown | thx |
| 09:21.14 | sdogi | basically rc dirs have a link of startup scripts from init.d for each runlevel |
| 09:21.25 | dondelelcaro | yes, this is the sysv-rc method. |
| 09:21.33 | jojotheclown | how do i run it |
| 09:21.36 | jojotheclown | bittorrnado |
| 09:21.36 | dondelelcaro | there's also file-rc if you don't like sysv. |
| 09:21.48 | shagor_ | usb_storage 58304 0 ||scsi_mod 114892 3 usb_storage,sg,sd_mod || usbcore 100704 5 usb_storage,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd ||ide_core 127448 5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,via82cxxx |
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| 09:21.58 | nksen | sdogi: yeah i know. till now I set them manually by hand |
| 09:22.02 | dondelelcaro | jojotheclown: install it, then run btdownloadgui or smoething |
| 09:22.03 | oskie | dondelelcaro: ah, netstat -p, thanks. (though i'd like it if /proc/PID/fd to show more info about sockets!) |
| 09:22.09 | nksen | sdogi: but that seemed not to be the intended solution to me |
| 09:22.14 | sdogi | nksen: ok :) |
| 09:22.26 | dondelelcaro | oskie: there's a fundamental difference between sockets and file descriptors... |
| 09:22.27 | jojotheclown | lol damm |
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| 09:22.40 | shagor_ | cat /proc/scsi/scsi -> gives me nothing |
| 09:22.44 | jojotheclown | thataint it |
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| 09:23.02 | oskie | dondelelcaro: true, but /proc/PID/fd will list all fds that are sockets |
| 09:23.20 | oskie | hmm btlaunchmanycurses, how does that work? |
| 09:23.36 | sdogi | launches many many curses :D |
| 09:23.36 | dondelelcaro | the manpage... it is very apropos. |
| 09:23.48 | yoo | Hi |
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| 09:23.57 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 09:24.02 | oskie | dondelelcaro: hm.. nice. I guess those manpages were written for debian. |
| 09:24.04 | cafuego | Hi Dr Nick! |
| 09:24.09 | pureone | hi dr nick |
| 09:24.25 | yoo | i'm running on debian sid with 2.6.10 kernel |
| 09:24.25 | oskie | dondelelcaro: will it scan the directory for new .torrent files every one and then? |
| 09:24.26 | dondelelcaro | oskie: yeah, a binary without a manpage is a bug |
| 09:24.29 | Enforcer_JB | how long does it take to run quotacheck on a 160GB disk that is about 50G full? I just rebooted a remote server and I wonder how long I would have to wait for it to become available again. |
| 09:24.29 | pureone | did it first :( |
| 09:24.30 | dondelelcaro | oskie: yes. |
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| 09:24.44 | oskie | dondelelcaro: i wonder if it's using the kernel's dnotify facilities :P |
| 09:24.51 | yoo | i have a problm with my apt-gezt upgrade |
| 09:25.04 | yoo | Erreur de segmentatione des dépendances... 50% |
| 09:25.05 | dondelelcaro | oskie: no, it's rather stupid about it, actually. |
| 09:25.13 | yoo | somebody have an ideas |
| 09:25.16 | dondelelcaro | yoo: something segfaulted. |
| 09:25.35 | dondelelcaro | yoo: clear your cache, and rerun apt-get update. |
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| 09:25.49 | oskie | wow. how come I never tried btlaunchmanycurses? weird. |
| 09:25.51 | yoo | ok |
| 09:26.21 | oskie | dondelelcaro: and it will listen on a single port for all torrents? |
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| 09:26.38 | yoo | apt-get clean |
| 09:26.43 | dondelelcaro | oskie: no, that's a totally different function. |
| 09:26.49 | yoo | but after same problem |
| 09:26.58 | yoo | Erreur de segmentatione des dépendances... 50% |
| 09:27.01 | dondelelcaro | yoo: that's a different cache. You'll need to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin; |
| 09:27.06 | yebian | --maxport --minport all port |
| 09:27.09 | oskie | dondelelcaro: hm ok, i wonder if bittornado supports single port tho? |
| 09:27.15 | cafuego | Well well |
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| 09:27.51 | slept | I'm looking for Documentation about Radeon 9200 (RV280) , with xorg it works I know - is there a way to use it with xfree ? |
| 09:27.55 | cafuego | it's not nice when the hosted server blows a PSU |
| 09:28.10 | jfergus | oskie: iirc it launches a headless client for each torrent it finds. It does not currently support a single port. I here the new version of the orig client does though |
| 09:28.11 | dondelelcaro | yoo: and probably also /var/lib/dpkg/lists/*_{Packages,Release,Sources} /var/lib/dpkg/listchanges.db |
| 09:28.35 | yoo | it's ok with /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
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| 09:28.37 | yoo | thanks |
| 09:28.48 | yebian | Who the hell is Anthony Towns |
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| 09:29.08 | yebian | Whats a DPL |
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| 09:29.22 | dondelelcaro | yebian: uh, if you don't know who Anthony Towns is, you're a bit lost, and what a DPL is won't bother you much. |
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| 09:29.40 | dondelelcaro | yebian: see http://www.debian.org/vote/ |
| 09:29.42 | yebian | I keep getting mail. |
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| 09:29.47 | yebian | I don't read any of it. |
| 09:29.51 | oskie | jfergus: ok, i see. thanks |
| 09:29.55 | dondelelcaro | yebian: then unsubscribe from the lists that you're on. |
| 09:29.58 | yebian | I dont understand. |
| 09:30.14 | oskie | but with btlaunchmanycurses - when does it stop seeding a file? when you remove the .torrent file from the directory? |
| 09:30.15 | yebian | I already unsubscribed from the lists I DONT want to be on. |
| 09:30.22 | jfergus | oskie: yes |
| 09:31.12 | yebian | Is this the first time there was a DPL thingy? |
| 09:31.16 | oskie | is there any key you can use in the btlaunchmanycurses interface to have it rescan the dir or something? |
| 09:31.27 | naim | hi, trying to use tar with ssh for faster copying over the network, but it does not prompt me for a password. using :: tar czvf - ListOfFiles | ssh -c blowfish remote.box.com tar xzf - -C /home/user/PathToCopy ...where did i go wrong?? |
| 09:31.52 | yebian | Is my good friend APT going to die because of this DPL thingy? |
| 09:32.13 | jfergus | oskie: I am not familiar with all the keybindings. I just know if you don't want to quit, don't press q :) |
| 09:32.22 | yebian | Is this DPL thingy going to make for a new stable version? |
| 09:32.27 | cafuego | ~die |
| 09:32.28 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 09:32.35 | cafuego | yebian: Seems that way |
| 09:32.44 | llama32 | anyone know of a _simple_ package manager? im writing my own out of boredome and i figure an example could give me an idea of how to handle package versions and such... |
| 09:32.53 | yebian | Kill apt?!? |
| 09:33.02 | yebian | or make new stable? |
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| 09:33.10 | dondelelcaro | yebian: no, it's not. the DPL is just the project leader. Read http://www.debian.org/vote/2005/vote_001 already, and/or the constitution |
| 09:33.19 | yebian | I know that. |
| 09:33.21 | yebian | I' |
| 09:33.24 | yebian | I've read that. |
| 09:33.28 | dondelelcaro | llama32: a what? there's no such thing. |
| 09:33.46 | yebian | I was just playin. |
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| 09:33.59 | dondelelcaro | yebian: oh, so you were being deliberately obtuse. |
| 09:34.08 | llama32 | dondelcardo: well thanks anyway :) |
| 09:34.16 | yebian | But by the time I subscribed to the lists it was too far into it for me to understand what the hell was going on. |
| 09:34.37 | dondelelcaro | llama32: see aptitude or synaptic or any of the *apt packages, though... for real world package managers that aren't too simple. |
| 09:35.00 | dondelelcaro | yebian: the mailing list archives are available... |
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| 09:35.28 | yebian | I don't have that much time, it would take too long for me to find the thread that would pertain to me. |
| 09:35.39 | yebian | Let alone read all of it. |
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| 09:35.47 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cool. i am changing my gallery icon every 5min with cron. (= |
| 09:35.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
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| 09:36.12 | stuart | woot sarge is up and running, now its fine-tuning |
| 09:36.16 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you probably could put in a tiny hack to make it purely random... |
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| 09:36.17 | goodshit | Hi, anyone know in apache. is there a php program to see how many users is connected? and is thre a way to limit the user download speed.?? |
| 09:36.34 | dondelelcaro | goodshit: no, yes. |
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| 09:36.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya i could do that. but every 5 min seem sgood enough. (= |
| 09:36.56 | yebian | Wouldn't lisa say? |
| 09:36.57 | stuartSan | now my debian doesn' thave modconf when i type it, why? |
| 09:37.12 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: because you haven't installed it or it's not in your PATH |
| 09:37.14 | deadcat | stuartSan: apt-get install it |
| 09:37.22 | tzafrir | llama32, take a look at programs that cann themselves "installation managers". There are some simple package managers that work. As long as you don't stress them with complicated stuff (updating?) |
| 09:37.26 | stuartSan | okay sec. |
| 09:37.35 | stuartSan | lemme familiarise myself with apt |
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| 09:38.39 | eblclient1 | how can i get the pid out of a process i thought there is a command like getpid? |
| 09:38.49 | dondelelcaro | eblclient1: pidof |
| 09:38.52 | stuartSan | uh why when i press G on modconf suddenly there's like 10 more 'packages to satisfy dependencies' |
| 09:38.54 | yebian | Back to the DPL election if anyone would be so kind; is APT going to be drop kicked into the outer darkness with other useless lumber and wreckage? |
| 09:38.58 | eblclient1 | yes man pidof thanks a lot ;-) |
| 09:39.11 | dondelelcaro | yebian: no. |
| 09:39.21 | yebian | Good and thank you. |
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| 09:39.57 | stuartSan | should i install all this junk that comes with modconf or is it optional.. like samba, samba-doc, netatalk etc. |
| 09:40.15 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: those aren't comming with modconf. You had previously selected them. |
| 09:40.25 | stuartSan | weird.. dont remember |
| 09:40.27 | hexxeh | !depends modconf |
| 09:40.32 | dpkg | modconf: depends on whiptail-provider | whiptail, modutils (>= 2.1.85-14) | module-init-tools (>= 3.1-pre2-1) |
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| 09:41.10 | yebian | dondelelcaro: am I to also believe that nothing will hurt the fundamental GNU philosophy of Debian in the via the election of a new DPL? |
| 09:41.37 | dondelelcaro | yebian: the DPL is just a leader. That's it. They don't have much in the way of powers at all. If this is confusing, read the constitution. |
| 09:41.43 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: if you so much as ran dselect you automatically selected alot of packages |
| 09:41.55 | hexxeh | when did apt become "useless lumber and wreckage" |
| 09:42.03 | hexxeh | rather apt than dpkg -i *.deb |
| 09:42.08 | dondelelcaro | hexxeh: only in the mind of yebian... |
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| 09:42.31 | streuner_ | hm |
| 09:42.43 | yebian | dondelelcaro/hexxeh: I never said it was I was worried that someone may dub it as. |
| 09:43.05 | man_in_shack | hexxeh, when you start forcing woody to install sarge/sid packages |
| 09:43.11 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: well yeah i opted for a 'newbie install' because i was frustrated |
| 09:43.17 | stuartSan | that might be a wrong thing to do lol now i'ms tarting to regret it |
| 09:43.19 | man_in_shack | hexxeh, selectively |
| 09:43.21 | hexxeh | man_in_shack, well at that stage nothing can save you |
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| 09:43.29 | stuartSan | there's a 'p' beside my modconf, does it mean i have it installed? |
| 09:43.36 | man_in_shack | hexxeh, true. i had to do a complete reinstall ;) |
| 09:43.40 | stuartSan | even when I press + or g on modconf the thing doesn't turn green |
| 09:43.44 | Ragan | Hello. I have a problem deleting directories on mounted SMB shares. I've did a google on the problem and found a solution. I need to edit the script that creates the files when mounting them with SMS. They need to have umask set to 777 in order for me to delete directories. Can anyone point me to where that script is? |
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| 09:44.06 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: no, that means you've purged it. To install, use +. g is a totally separate command in aptitude that does whatever you've told aptitude to do. |
| 09:44.13 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: g=go in other words. |
| 09:44.18 | Ragan | Argh, lot's of typos, sorry it's very late. |
| 09:44.39 | dondelelcaro | Ragan: there isn't such a script. You need to edit the config file to set the default permisions appropriately |
| 09:44.42 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: modconf is something else, you were confusing me with that - modconf is for configuring hardware. |
| 09:45.04 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: yeap am trying to install modconf with aptitude now because i can't run it from bash |
| 09:45.09 | man_in_shack | 777 ... just like a REAL windoze system :P |
| 09:45.13 | dondelelcaro | Ragan: create mode = 0700 or whatever you're actually using |
| 09:45.26 | Ragan | dondelelcaro, ahh, on the client machine that would be smb.conf? |
| 09:45.26 | slept | Regan: try swat very easy to use , and change permissions of the files you want to delete |
| 09:45.32 | stuartSan | and it is in the not-installed list, but when i press + on modconf it won't turn green |
| 09:45.34 | dondelelcaro | Ragan: no, on the server side. |
| 09:45.37 | hexxeh | stuartSan, you could stop playing with an iffy gui, and type 'apt-get install modconf' |
| 09:45.58 | yebian | hexxeh: amen brotha |
| 09:46.00 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: modconf is not in the normal user's path by default, it's in root's path though. |
| 09:46.19 | stuartSan | yeap i was in root when i did modconf |
| 09:46.21 | stuartSan | okay i'll try |
| 09:46.22 | Ragan | slept: okay, I'll have a look |
| 09:46.41 | stuartSan | there we go, thanks hexxeh |
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| 09:47.50 | Ragan | slept: hmm, isn't swat server sided only? |
| 09:48.06 | stuartSan | dang there's no option in here to change the sources.. i wanna use apt which is based on http or ftp instead of my cd's so i can start installing my nvidia |
| 09:48.26 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: run apt-setup; to change it. |
| 09:48.33 | stuartSan | will do, thanks. |
| 09:48.36 | Overand | or manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:49.00 | yebian | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:49.05 | Overand | heh |
| 09:49.12 | Overand | if you're new i reccomand nano/pico instead |
| 09:49.24 | Overand | vi is not self-explanitory |
| 09:49.27 | dondelelcaro | !murder pico |
| 09:49.28 | yebian | whats that |
| 09:49.35 | yebian | pico and nano? |
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| 09:49.52 | SexyKen | I have an AMD 64 -- Thinking about installing Debian. |
| 09:49.58 | stuartSan | ok sec i'll be needing coffee |
| 09:50.08 | stuartSan | good-looking debian here i come |
| 09:50.18 | Overand | yebian: yeah, they're straightforward and simple text editor |
| 09:50.21 | Overand | (nano is a clone of pico) |
| 09:50.23 | hexxeh | !tell stuartSan about nvidia one-liner |
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| 09:51.20 | yebian | mmmm Nvidia no dri no glcore change driver to nvidia :wq |
| 09:51.25 | SexyKen | Is Debian beter than say...Mandrake? |
| 09:51.33 | yebian | Oh GOD YES |
| 09:51.39 | Overand | SexyKen: is toyota better than, say, honda? |
| 09:51.40 | nevyn | SexyKen: is that a sensible question in this forum? |
| 09:51.42 | yebian | dear sweet jesus |
| 09:51.46 | Overand | SexyKen: what's better, rap or R&B? |
| 09:52.01 | nevyn | !start a distro war |
| 09:52.01 | dpkg | Slackware is stupid! |
| 09:52.07 | Overand | SexyKen: What's better, being a professional actor or a professional musician? |
| 09:52.09 | hexxeh | !start a badger war |
| 09:52.09 | dpkg | mushrooms are worse than badgers |
| 09:52.10 | surrounder | !start a distro war |
| 09:52.11 | yebian | behave bot |
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| 09:52.33 | SuperSox | war: whats better, being black or white? |
| 09:52.37 | SexyKen | wow you guys are interesting. |
| 09:52.43 | SexyKen | SuperSox, White of course. |
| 09:52.57 | nevyn | but white men can't jump ... |
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| 09:53.08 | eblclient1 | hello is it possible to write a shell script that gives pidof command? and store it into a variable. Can someone give me a hint how to do that? |
| 09:53.15 | yebian | thank you |
| 09:53.16 | MobyTurbo | SexyKen: Mandrake is the only Linux I've run that made me feel like throwing it away. |
| 09:53.23 | dondelelcaro | eblclient1: yes. FOO=$(pidof foo) |
| 09:53.24 | nevyn | umm.... |
| 09:53.34 | dondelelcaro | eblclient1: man bash; if you need more details. |
| 09:53.39 | Overand | SexyKen: the *general* consensus is that mandrake is geared towards beginners, and is a bit slower, a bit more bloated, and a bit less stable |
| 09:53.50 | SexyKen | I see. |
| 09:53.53 | eblclient1 | dondelecaro: thanks man i always wrote foo=(pidof foo) ;-) $ was the mistake thanks |
| 09:54.08 | dondelelcaro | eblclient1: $()==`` |
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| 09:54.20 | nevyn | man that grave quote thing is evil |
| 09:54.28 | SexyKen | I use Windows XP every day, I'm a Web Developer and manage a company as well -- Windows is getting old and doesn't utilize my 64bit CPU. |
| 09:54.32 | trogger | is there an equivalent of grep that can do search *and replace* to stdout? |
| 09:54.33 | yebian | SexyKen: apt-get install is what you need and is only available with distros after the fashion of debian. I suggest using knoppix from the disk until you can understand it. |
| 09:54.39 | stuartSan | um when i input a http source for apt-get, how big is the testing file i have to d/l? |
| 09:54.41 | Overand | SexyKen: you can't really expect a huge performance increase |
| 09:54.42 | dondelelcaro | trogger: it's called grep with sed. |
| 09:54.42 | SlayerXP | trogger: then use windows xp 64 bit edition. |
| 09:54.50 | trogger | dondelelcaro: cheers. |
| 09:54.52 | SuperSox | SexyKen: 64bit is more of a marketing tool than anything else |
| 09:54.53 | hlp_me | trogger awk sed |
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| 09:54.57 | trogger | SlayerXP: don't think that will help me :) |
| 09:55.04 | Overand | 64 bit is good for addressing memory past 4 gigs |
| 09:55.07 | MobyTurbo | SexyKen: Ubuntu has an AMD64 flavor, I think Debian has a for-now unofficial one. |
| 09:55.09 | Overand | and for a few specific applications |
| 09:55.13 | stuartSan | what the.. i've been downloading 3 megs of stuff from some server and it tells me failed to get debian source |
| 09:55.15 | SuperSox | Overand: yep :) |
| 09:55.22 | Overand | stuartSan: 404? |
| 09:55.28 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: there isnt' a testing file. There's just the actual package listing. That's it. |
| 09:55.31 | SlayerXP | MobyTurbo: the debian amd64 port is well over a year old |
| 09:55.39 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill yebian |
| 09:55.41 | hexxeh | SlayerXP, but still unofficial |
| 09:55.42 | SexyKen | I'm not new to Linux, but I'll be new to using Linux in a Desktop Environment. |
| 09:55.44 | stuartSan | Overand: no idea, its been downloading 3 megs worth of stuff, then now it says can't find etc etc. |
| 09:55.51 | Overand | nice |
| 09:55.58 | MobyTurbo | SlayerXP: I didn't know it was that long, it *is* unofficial though. |
| 09:56.01 | Overand | stuartSan: did you do an apt-get update before you did whatever this operation is? |
| 09:56.10 | Ragan | So, nobody encountered a problem deleting directories on mounted samba shares? Owner and group are both belonged to the user with full read/write permissions. I can create/delete files and create directories, but not delete them. |
| 09:56.13 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: yeah, just rerun apt-get update; and those warnings should go away. |
| 09:56.35 | yebian | apt-get --fix-missing |
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| 09:56.48 | ricky_clarkson | "on 18 March 2005 at 1:58:31 UTC, the Mi11oneium wi11 arrive. Yep, that's when we reach 1111111111 seconds, Unix Epoch." |
| 09:56.55 | stuartSan | okay i did apt-get update, and am trying the same server again |
| 09:56.59 | nevyn | SexyKen: windows xp has a 64bit flavor |
| 09:57.06 | stuartSan | its Testing apt sources... now |
| 09:57.29 | SexyKen | nevyn, it's a release candidate with no driver support. |
| 09:57.29 | stuartSan | oh yeah.. while waiting.. is it a problem that debian is kinda laggy on my pc? |
| 09:57.29 | llama32 | anyone know of a document that explains the apt internals? |
| 09:57.40 | nevyn | the service pack for amd64 is still only RC? |
| 09:57.44 | dondelelcaro | llama32: it's called the "apt source code" |
| 09:58.00 | stuartSan | it takes like 10 secs to startup ksirc.. or when i want to read a sources.list for an example.. it didn't run kwrite, for about 30 secs.. then suddenly kwrite popped up |
| 09:58.19 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: KDE applications are slow starting up if run outside of KDE. |
| 09:58.27 | Overand | ricky_clarkson: cool |
| 09:58.39 | yebian | kivio |
| 09:58.40 | SexyKen | nevyn - there's no service pack that turns Windows XP into a 64bit os. |
| 09:58.58 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: so at the login screen where i can choose default, GNOME or KDE i should choose KDE and that'd help? |
| 09:58.59 | nevyn | yes there is. |
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| 09:59.14 | hexxeh | nevyn, there is a separate product (microsoft windows xp professional x64 edition) |
| 09:59.15 | nevyn | it's got a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland. |
| 09:59.16 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: assuming that you actually want to run KDE aps, yes. |
| 09:59.17 | llama32 | dondelelcaro: it's called c++... im fine with anything - c, asm, java, pascal... but when i see that ++ part it all turns into jibberish :) and with the source the only documentation seems to be the man pages which ive tried already |
| 09:59.17 | stuartSan | xwin's login screen* |
| 09:59.28 | jetscreamer | use irssi or xchat |
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| 09:59.33 | SexyKen | nevyn - what good would that do? Honestly? |
| 09:59.46 | hexxeh | nevyn, there is no 64-32 combo version. xpsp2 adds some non-64bit amd64 enhancements, such as the NX bit |
| 09:59.48 | nevyn | SexyKen: sun ran such environments for many years. |
| 09:59.50 | dondelelcaro | llama32: the internals are really only documented in the sourcecode. And the source for apt is non-trivial. |
| 10:00.06 | nevyn | hexxeh: ok. I thought it included an actual 64bit kernel.dll |
| 10:00.18 | hexxeh | nevyn, ntoskrnl.exe, and no. |
| 10:00.34 | stuartSan | do you guys run KDE? |
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| 10:00.39 | yebian | i dont |
| 10:00.49 | hexxeh | why would i run kde? it's icky |
| 10:01.05 | jetscreamer | kde is ok |
| 10:01.06 | yebian | stuarSan it has that thing in the lower left. |
| 10:01.07 | slept | Ragan : do you have the permissions for the directory on the server ? And did you set the share "writable = yes" in /etc/samba/smb.conf ? |
| 10:01.19 | stuartSan | okay then i probably should have manually chose my package cos the menu is full of k-apps |
| 10:01.21 | Overand | llama32: how 'internal' do you want to get? |
| 10:01.29 | drac | stuartSan: xfce 4.2 has option for using kdelibs and gnomelibs, thus making both start quickly. www.os-works.com ;) |
| 10:01.42 | stuartSan | yebian: what thing? the click here to hide all windows thing? |
| 10:01.44 | nevyn | stuartSan: I do. |
| 10:02.28 | Ragan | slept: well, the server is windoze, I can delete the dirs on another windows client |
| 10:02.40 | llama32 | Overand: formats of the files it uses and the formats of the actual packages (that shouldnt be hard to find out) |
| 10:03.00 | yebian | mine says /etc/X11/Xsession = one line exec enlightenment |
| 10:03.05 | Overand | the packages are compressed files |
| 10:03.07 | stuartSan | drac: yep at my xwin login screen there's this option to login with kde or gnome. |
| 10:03.11 | Overand | decompress them and take a look at the crap in them |
| 10:03.23 | stuartSan | but are there any specific advantages using kde vs. gnome |
| 10:03.23 | Overand | control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz or something |
| 10:03.47 | yebian | touch /etc/X11/Xsession exec enlightenment |
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| 10:04.30 | llama32 | stuartSan: ive always seen KDE as a bit more proffessional and seems to run a lot better on older hardware, but still i like Gnome because it feels a lot nicer to me |
| 10:04.32 | stuartSan | damnit.. after 3 megs of download again, it says Failed to access the Debian archive |
| 10:04.48 | mufa | hi, whern I try to modprobe something it says "WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.d/arch-aliases: No such file or directory". How could I solve this? |
| 10:04.55 | stuartSan | llama32: so basically i just choose whatever i want to use depending on my mood |
| 10:05.01 | yebian | stuartsan: get different apt sources |
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| 10:05.09 | llama32 | lol |
| 10:05.31 | stuartSan | which server do you guys use, the one closest to me seem to have all their servers screwed |
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| 10:06.17 | yebian | k |
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| 10:06.40 | llama32 | stuartSan: gnome is more configurable, but the way its configured isnt often very innovative (but still not too hard, but sometimes you just think "why is screensaver in advanced preferences?" |
| 10:06.41 | Ragan | slept, hmm, just tried deleting the file from the shell, it worked. *scratches head in confusion* It still wont work from konqueror, helps a bit as it seems to be a problem with the application. At least I now know where the problem is. |
| 10:06.53 | llama32 | ) |
| 10:07.06 | dondelelcaro | stuartSan: pick a different one then... the fast servers for me probably won't be fast for you |
| 10:07.25 | slept | Ragan : same user ? |
| 10:07.40 | stuartSan | na i just need something reliable without all that 3 meg download then not able to find source sutff |
| 10:07.44 | stuartSan | dont mind the speed |
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| 10:07.58 | Ragan | slept: yes |
| 10:08.38 | stuartSan | so if i'm going to be multimedia i'd opt for gnome? |
| 10:09.27 | jetscreamer | in the kernel, what is: Initramfs source file(s) |
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| 10:09.55 | hexxeh | stuartSan, go with what you're comfortable with. |
| 10:10.23 | stuartSan | damnit i just saved some document for future reference, saved it under abiword processor and now its hanged |
| 10:10.30 | stuartSan | whats the deal |
| 10:10.40 | Ragan | slept: thank you for your time, I'm off to work. if I find the solution I'll notify you. goodday |
| 10:10.51 | llama32 | stuartSan: if you use firefox, seeing as it uses the same toolkit as gnome, it'll go with your theme with gnome :) |
| 10:11.51 | stuartSan | what about all the multimedia software like xmms or totem etc.. do they run better in gnome? |
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| 10:12.42 | mufa | how could I find what package provides a specific file? |
| 10:12.42 | jim | stuartSan: do they need gnome libs? |
| 10:12.53 | Penix | mufa: dpkg -S file |
| 10:13.14 | stuartSan | jim: no idea |
| 10:13.27 | jetscreamer | mufa, apt-file if it's not installed |
| 10:13.48 | stuartSan | okay i'll tell you what i'll try kde |
| 10:13.50 | jim | stuartSan: if no, then gnome doesn't matter because none of the functionality of gnome is ever hit |
| 10:14.05 | jim | stuartSan: try console |
| 10:14.19 | yebian | ENLIGHTENMENT |
| 10:14.28 | jim | try just x without any kde gnome or any window manager at all' |
| 10:14.32 | jetscreamer | he's gone |
| 10:14.41 | jim | try twm |
| 10:14.47 | mufa | Penix: thanks |
| 10:14.53 | jim | try fvwm and sawfish |
| 10:14.58 | mufa | jetscreamer: nice thing, apt-file |
| 10:14.58 | ricky_clarkson | Try the power button. Oh, he did. |
| 10:15.05 | jetscreamer | i like startx with just a black console in the top left |
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| 10:15.39 | jim | yebian: I'm presently thinking he should stop at console until he sees the power of the shell |
| 10:15.41 | shaym | hello |
| 10:15.49 | shaym | i make a tgz under debian with tar -czvf |
| 10:15.54 | yebian | jim: amen |
| 10:16.01 | shaym | my friend under freebsd ,can't extract it |
| 10:16.10 | shaym | we don't know why :( |
| 10:16.18 | jim | shaym: tell him to use gnu tar |
| 10:16.27 | hexxeh | use gnu tar |
| 10:16.32 | jim | how did he get it? |
| 10:16.34 | tzafrir | use gnu tar, or gzip -d <file.tgz |tar xf - |
| 10:16.52 | jim | tzafrir: still gnu tar |
| 10:17.00 | jim | (why?) |
| 10:17.33 | tzafrir | alternatively, use busybox tar. It also supports -z... |
| 10:17.47 | jim | shaym: how did he get the file? |
| 10:18.10 | shaym | by ftp |
| 10:18.26 | jim | oh, here's another possible source of the problem |
| 10:18.37 | tzafrir | is it indeed gzipped? what does 'file' have to say about it? |
| 10:18.40 | jim | ftp has two transfer modes? |
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| 10:18.55 | jim | what transfer mode was used? |
| 10:18.56 | Knight_Lord | shaym did you remember to turn on binary mode in ftp? |
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| 10:19.03 | tzafrir | from unix to unix they should be both the same |
| 10:19.04 | shaym | i don't know |
| 10:19.07 | shaym | i used lftp |
| 10:19.26 | jim | tzafrir: we're way ahead of ya :) I'm thinking this is a tar file format issue |
| 10:19.37 | shaym | if i uploaded a tgz in ascii mode |
| 10:19.40 | djg | Hi, I would like to call a script from a timed job over HTTP. Is it possible to script telnet, or use wget in such a way that output is discarded? |
| 10:19.44 | shaym | can my friend correct the file |
| 10:19.50 | Knight_Lord | shaym nope |
| 10:19.55 | shaym | :((( |
| 10:19.57 | jim | shaym: no. you have to transfer in binary mode |
| 10:19.58 | Knight_Lord | shaym you lose the last bit |
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| 10:20.09 | hexxeh | save the output into /dev/null ? |
| 10:20.13 | shaym | i can do so put -c |
| 10:20.17 | shaym | with binary mode |
| 10:20.18 | fflush | djg: every thing is possible |
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| 10:20.31 | tzafrir | shaym, first verify that you have the exact same file. |
| 10:20.37 | tzafrir | md5sum file.tgz |
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| 10:20.45 | tzafrir | see that you both get the same output |
| 10:20.54 | jim | shaym: yeah, does he have md5sum? |
| 10:20.58 | djg | fflush: That's very optimistic. :) Any hints? |
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| 10:21.22 | Knight_Lord | if it's a ascii bin problem checking the file size suffices, but if you can run md5sum on the files all the better |
| 10:21.26 | yebian | What is the best antivirus for hapless bastards that cant get away from the demonic pull of that which creates the barrier to entry. |
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| 10:21.47 | tzafrir | djg, wget has no built-in support in totally discarding output. It can be -q (quiet). It can log to a file. /dev/null may also be an output handler |
| 10:21.48 | pureone | clamav maybe? |
| 10:21.53 | shaym | how to change the transfer mode in lftp ? |
| 10:22.00 | fflush | djb : perl WWW::Mechanize |
| 10:22.07 | yebian | pureone: Ive not heard of that. |
| 10:22.09 | djg | tzafrir: That sounds like what I'm after. |
| 10:22.13 | pureone | its apt-getable |
| 10:22.18 | jim | dunno,, a lot of those clients do start in binary mode, so you might be ok |
| 10:22.23 | djg | fflush: I don't know perl, I'm afraid. |
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| 10:22.34 | djg | fflush: But thank you. |
| 10:22.45 | Knight_Lord | shaym sorry we don't know by heart the documentation of every software package on the face of the earth. But we're trying |
| 10:22.59 | jim | djg: perl's easy to learn, so is python, tcl, lisp |
| 10:23.06 | tzafrir | But bin mode does practically nothing if both client and server are unix. |
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| 10:23.17 | nomad_cz | yebian: Clamav is good. U could consider bitdeffender or f-prot as well ;) |
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| 10:23.19 | pureone | f-prot is ment to be good aswell |
| 10:23.19 | tzafrir | shaym, are the files different indeed? |
| 10:23.21 | jim | logo and smalltalk |
| 10:23.24 | yebian | pureone: No antivirus for windows. |
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| 10:23.33 | tzafrir | And are you sure that this is not a simple truncation issue? |
| 10:23.37 | pureone | avg then |
| 10:23.40 | yebian | nomad_cz: I use f-prot. I actually pay frisk |
| 10:23.49 | rixth | Stupid question, but how can I make Apache server start as root when the computer boots? |
| 10:23.55 | jim | tzafrir: bin mode does no translation no matter what OS |
| 10:24.01 | Overand | rixth: why would you want to do that? |
| 10:24.07 | jim | ascii mode does translation |
| 10:24.09 | fflush | rixth: update-rc.d apache defaults ? |
| 10:24.14 | djg | jim: Fair enough, I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel, that's all. |
| 10:24.15 | pureone | overand was goner ask the same thing |
| 10:24.33 | pureone | apache id = root = bad! |
| 10:24.39 | yebian | lol |
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| 10:24.43 | tzafrir | Anyway, if this is unix->unix, why use ftp? use ssh or something nicer on top of it. |
| 10:24.45 | djg | jim: I'd rather use a regular tool, but point taken. |
| 10:24.50 | rixth | Overand: if the power goes out during the night, I want the server to start itself back up. |
| 10:24.53 | Overand | yeah try out 'sftp' |
| 10:25.02 | Overand | rixth: but the point is that apache should not be running 'as root' |
| 10:25.05 | tzafrir | rsync -e ssh is my no.1 choice for file transfers |
| 10:25.08 | Overand | ever |
| 10:25.09 | pureone | rixth check rcconf |
| 10:25.10 | jim | djg: all my regular tools eat metamucil every day... |
| 10:25.17 | nomad_cz | yebian: I have got on server Clamav, bitdefender and f-prot ;) |
| 10:25.23 | rixth | Overand: it needs to run as root to be able to bind to port 80. |
| 10:25.27 | tzafrir | yebian, apt-get install f-prot |
| 10:25.31 | jim | other than that, what's a regular tool? :) |
| 10:25.36 | Overand | rixth: no, it doesn't |
| 10:25.43 | Overand | it needs to run as not-a-normal-user |
| 10:25.44 | yebian | nomad_cz: whats the best antivirus for an XP client? |
| 10:25.51 | Overand | but not 'root' |
| 10:26.01 | djg | jim: Meta- what? |
| 10:26.03 | pureone | avg yebian |
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| 10:26.11 | jim | say you define a "regular tool" as one that doesn't have a scripting language... |
| 10:26.15 | pureone | well free antivirus anyway |
| 10:26.16 | nomad_cz | yebian: It is difficult to mark any antivirus as the best ;) |
| 10:26.17 | rixth | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 10:26.18 | jim | emacs and vi gone. |
| 10:26.22 | jim | bash gone. |
| 10:26.26 | djg | jim: I mean "common" commands, like wget etc. |
| 10:26.31 | pureone | rixth look in rcconf |
| 10:26.32 | Overand | rixth: you should reconfigure apache ala dpkg/apt |
| 10:26.36 | nomad_cz | yebian: Nod32 is pretty good. |
| 10:26.40 | rixth | pureone: "check, command not foound" |
| 10:26.46 | pureone | apt-get install rcconf |
| 10:26.57 | rixth | I compiled mine myself, the debian package didn't meet my needs. |
| 10:27.11 | Overand | check "apt-cache search before i complain about not finding a program" |
| 10:27.12 | jim | common commands are cat, ls, cd, grep, head, tail |
| 10:27.12 | pureone | then tick apache so its started at boot up |
| 10:27.16 | Overand | rixth: what needs? |
| 10:27.18 | Overand | just curious |
| 10:27.27 | yebian | avg too expensive |
| 10:27.28 | Overand | i used to roll my own apache install |
| 10:27.34 | pureone | avg = free |
| 10:27.38 | nomad_cz | yebian: And there are many of them. Check out virus bulletin ;) |
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| 10:27.42 | djg | jim: OK, noted. Thanks for your help! |
| 10:27.43 | pureone | i never payed for it |
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| 10:27.59 | nomad_cz | yebian: There is avg free version available ;) |
| 10:27.59 | rixth | I needed to include some modules, such as a daytime server, I don't think the Debian package supports DSOs. |
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| 10:28.14 | yebian | nomad_cz: I see that |
| 10:28.18 | stuart | omg kde has so much eye candy |
| 10:28.24 | jim | who |
| 10:28.26 | rixth | pureone: apache is not listed there |
| 10:28.32 | jim | cares about eye candy |
| 10:28.32 | MobyTurbo | rixth: inetd includes I believe a built-in daytime server. |
| 10:28.45 | ideafix | every one |
| 10:28.54 | jim | Models have eye candy |
| 10:28.55 | tzafrir | xinetd has one. I'm not sure about inetd |
| 10:28.58 | rixth | MobyTurbo, that's interesting, I did not know that |
| 10:28.58 | ideafix | has long has it dont lags |
| 10:29.00 | Capkirk | when i log into a box with root through ssh the PATH is not right ive tried to set up the PATH manually in /root/.bashrc but it dosnt help? |
| 10:29.02 | pureone | apache should be in there |
| 10:29.03 | Overand | well, you miught want to install the debian package, grab all the init.d & rc* crap from it and modifie it |
| 10:29.11 | fooz | jim: are you the same jim who used to hang out here? |
| 10:29.14 | Overand | pureone: he's not running the package |
| 10:29.15 | stuartSan | just now when i clicked logout from gnome, the pc hung for 3 mins before giving me the option to logout, and when i logged back in to gnome, it hung again at startup screen, what gives? |
| 10:29.16 | nomad_cz | yebian: U could use clamav win32 as well but resident shiled is missing - it is planned for future version. |
| 10:29.16 | Overand | he rolled his own install |
| 10:29.21 | jim | yeah |
| 10:29.26 | yebian | I think f-prot is better than avg. F-Prot is the best antivirus in the world. |
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| 10:29.38 | rixth | !tell nomand_cz u |
| 10:29.42 | rixth | !tell nomand_cz you |
| 10:29.42 | MobyTurbo | rixth: check out /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:29.44 | mufa | how much does f-prost cost? |
| 10:29.45 | jim | like I said earlier, fooz... you know my history pretty well |
| 10:29.50 | rixth | !you |
| 10:29.51 | dpkg | rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth rixth |
| 10:29.56 | rixth | !u |
| 10:29.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:29.58 | yebian | I pay 59 bucks for 10 machines |
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| 10:30.19 | mufa | yebian: 6$ for a machine? |
| 10:30.21 | mufa | pretty cheap |
| 10:30.23 | nomad_cz | yebian: ;) If u say so ... ;) |
| 10:30.32 | tzafrir | yebian, an anti-virus is something that shouldn't have existed in the first place, and only shows how flaky the win OS is (at least as percieved by people) |
| 10:30.33 | yebian | I use free version on Linux boxes. |
| 10:30.33 | jim | and again dpkg addresses me unnecessarily. |
| 10:30.35 | fooz | i'd just use a free antivirus |
| 10:30.48 | pureone | linux gets viruses as well |
| 10:30.54 | fooz | nah |
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| 10:31.03 | MobyTurbo | !tell nomad_cz about u |
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| 10:31.08 | yebian | pureone: 404 as opposed to 59000+ for windows |
| 10:31.08 | rixth | MobyTurbo, so there is! |
| 10:31.09 | ideafix | do you thinkl one could call ubuntu a debianised project ? |
| 10:31.15 | tzafrir | why would you use f-prot (the AV, not the deb) on Debian? Why not clam? |
| 10:31.22 | pureone | its just no1 too many dumb people use windows no2 too many script kiddys use windows and can only write for windows |
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| 10:31.27 | jetscreamer | maybe a project based on debian |
| 10:31.34 | rixth | yebian: there's only one 'real' Liux virus, Bliss. |
| 10:31.36 | pureone | wasnt the first major worm written for unix? |
| 10:31.36 | jim | !tell rixth about msg the bot for helpers |
| 10:31.41 | MobyTurbo | ideafix: /msg dpkg based on Debian |
| 10:31.56 | yebian | I didnt know about clam until today. |
| 10:32.06 | Jenns | Hey, debconf is trying to startup some gnome thing, I'd much prefer to use dialouge. How would I go about changing dialouge to be the default handler for debconf? |
| 10:32.18 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search virux |
| 10:32.19 | tzafrir | pureone, that was 16 years ago. There was quite a change of attitude in the unix world since. Not in the windows world, sadly |
| 10:32.22 | jetscreamer | virus |
| 10:32.25 | fooz | Jenns, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:32.27 | MobyTurbo | Jenns: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:32.35 | yebian | Wow I can apt-get clam. Nice |
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| 10:32.40 | Jenns | thanks :-) |
| 10:32.51 | rixth | Can someone just point me to the file where all the programs to start on startup are? I couldn't find rc.local |
| 10:32.52 | pureone | yip tzafrir too many dumb people use windows sadly |
| 10:32.53 | jetscreamer | i've found d-i doesn't install dialog you have to explicitly install it |
| 10:33.08 | jetscreamer | even though it's the default answer |
| 10:33.23 | MobyTurbo | yebian: clam is an antivirus detecter for *Windows* viruses transported via email. As such it is only useful for mail servers that serve that population. |
| 10:33.34 | fooz | it'd be neat to have a generic attack package like Nessus but that actually tried to compromise the remote system and upload itself |
| 10:33.39 | tzafrir | pureone, if the people are dumb than the system should be designed for dumb people. Windows makes it too easy to execute non-trusted code |
| 10:33.48 | fooz | and multiplatform, somehow |
| 10:33.49 | yebian | Windows wouldn't suck too bad if they would spend the time and money shooting the registry in the head. |
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| 10:33.53 | tzafrir | This is not a matter of code quality. This is a deisgn issue |
| 10:34.06 | jetscreamer | rixth, /etc/init.d and /etc/rc* ... but you don't want to mess with them directly, do it indirectly |
| 10:34.06 | MobyTurbo | yebian: that's not the only Windows suckage |
| 10:34.27 | rixth | jetscreamer: whats a good app to do it then? |
| 10:34.29 | pureone | yes tzafrir such as windows hiding known file extenions |
| 10:34.35 | pureone | extensions* |
| 10:34.35 | jim | rixth: man init, man 5 inittab, man update-rc.d, ls /etc/init.d/, ls /etc/rc2.d |
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| 10:34.39 | yebian | MobyTurbo: not but its the biggest one followed closely by active directory which is the registry propagated to the network. |
| 10:34.51 | Overand | pureone: at least that can be changed |
| 10:34.56 | Overand | you can un-hide known extentions |
| 10:34.58 | fooz | Active Directory is just an LDAP server. |
| 10:34.59 | Overand | you can't remove the registryu |
| 10:35.00 | jetscreamer | there are a couple like sysvinit something.... i'm not real up on it |
| 10:35.00 | Overand | heh |
| 10:35.08 | jim | hmm, maybe not init and inittab |
| 10:35.17 | tzafrir | pureone, that was actually done to cover for another design bug: relying on extensions to identify files. |
| 10:35.18 | pureone | have you ever tryed to get a windows user to change that setting overand? |
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| 10:35.29 | pureone | they dont know how |
| 10:35.47 | pureone | most windows users anyway |
| 10:36.12 | tzafrir | pureone, the problem is that the dumb user can easily rename a file to something of an existing type. So you by-default deny that option from the user. |
| 10:36.36 | jetscreamer | that hide extensions thing is like really stupid imo |
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| 10:36.57 | Ragan | slept: Gotta do this quick and then I'm off to work. The problem with deleting mounted samba directories is fixes. My famd went bersker like it does often so I killed it. Suddenly I was able to delete dirs on remote shares. I did a man famd and changed the init.d script to included -L (Only accept connections from local clients.) Now it works like a charm. =) |
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| 10:37.02 | pureone | ms didnt think about worms / viruses when they made there os i think |
| 10:37.12 | jim | jetscreamer: so what do you think of that other operating system that doesn't have to have extensions? |
| 10:37.20 | yebian | I am a member of MSDN and I got Longhorn to try. I noticed that its more terrible than any other Windows version to date. They actually have it hard coded such that things like DHCP and other open standard protocols like DNS and get this ""IPV6"" as if Microsoft owned them. |
| 10:37.33 | rixth | Ok, here's the scenario, I have a script called aplg.sh (which starts Apache and rotates the logs) how do I use update-rc.d to include that? (the script is in /home/rixth/.scripts/log.sh) |
| 10:37.35 | shaym | i don't know the issue for my bug |
| 10:37.46 | jetscreamer | jim i know nothing |
| 10:37.46 | shaym | the binary mode is the default mode in lftp |
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| 10:37.49 | tzafrir | What alternative is there to identifying file by its extension: magic? |
| 10:37.50 | rixth | (called log.sh, sorry) |
| 10:37.58 | njan | yebian, why is it bad that they're introducing ipv6? |
| 10:38.05 | Ragan | slept, so it's a bug in konqueror I guess, it doesn't stop famd polling when trying to delete a dir (I think). =) |
| 10:38.06 | tzafrir | shaym, are the files actually different? |
| 10:38.10 | shaym | put [-E] [-a] [-c] [-O base] lfile [-orfile] |
| 10:38.16 | ideafix | what is ipv6 used for ? |
| 10:38.17 | jetscreamer | yebian, yeah that's what they do... the make it appear as if it was their own invention, whatever it is |
| 10:38.18 | shaym | -a use ascii mode (binary is the default) |
| 10:38.21 | njan | yebian, for that matter, why is it any different to linux? linux distributions have been bundling unfirewalled, unsecured ipv6 support on the default configuration for network interfaces for years |
| 10:38.25 | yebian | njan: they arent introducing it. They are implicating that they OWN IT. |
| 10:38.37 | stuartSan | yebian: thanks for the list |
| 10:38.39 | njan | yebian, how? |
| 10:38.51 | ideafix | what is ipv6 used for ? |
| 10:38.52 | jetscreamer | implying |
| 10:39.03 | jim | ideafix: internetworking |
| 10:39.07 | yebian | njan: you'd have to see it. |
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| 10:39.10 | njan | ideafix, at the moment? Not much, if you live in the western hemisphere :) |
| 10:39.11 | SuperSox | ideafix: the same as ipv4. |
| 10:39.12 | pureone | ipv6 is not used for much at the moment but it will soon take over ipv4 |
| 10:39.13 | jetscreamer | ideafix, the idea is that we're running out of ipv4 address space, this is to be bigger |
| 10:39.27 | hexxeh | tzafrir, yes, magic. |
| 10:39.31 | ideafix | use proxie |
| 10:39.33 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a better tool than the usual web interface to administrate the cups printing system. I'd need ome user stats, maybe user limits - any ideas? |
| 10:39.36 | fooz | soon? hahahaha |
| 10:39.40 | hexxeh | tzafrir, run 'file' on anything on your system. |
| 10:39.43 | yebian | pureone: other countries have it implemented. |
| 10:39.45 | njan | yebian, I have, I've used the msdn version of longhorn, and I haven't seen any attempt made by microsoft to imply that they own ipv6.. |
| 10:39.46 | jim | also the ipv6 space includes the ipv4 space |
| 10:40.02 | slept | Ragan : It works on my system I think, can't try at the moment because I'm using ubuntu at the moment because of xorg, and I don't have space left for kde . |
| 10:40.04 | yebian | njan: then you havent looked in network settings. |
| 10:40.04 | drac | Hmm, is it good idea to add "selinux=1 enabled=1 audit=1" to kernel boot parameters (2.6.10-1-k7) to make system a bit more secure? Got this advice, and just verifying it. Should enable SElinux on debian kernels. |
| 10:40.07 | rixth | Ok, here's the scenario, I have a script called log.sh (which starts Apache and rotates the logs) how do I use update-rc.d to include that? (the script is in /home/rixth/.scripts/log.sh) |
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| 10:40.22 | tzafrir | And when the files are on a remote storage? Do you simply rely on the mime type from the remote storage? |
| 10:40.25 | SuperSox | njan: gaurnteed it'll be hyped as a 'feature' though :) |
| 10:40.27 | pureone | i know im going to try and set up ipv6 within my network after i do some more reading on it |
| 10:40.34 | fooz | ipv6 will take over ipv4 when Windows Longhorn comes out, with Duke Nukem Forever bundled along with it |
| 10:40.40 | njan | yebian, I have; it's for this reason that I'm asking you what you saw that I didn't, and your reply was 'you'd have to see it' |
| 10:40.41 | yebian | njan: I believe somewhere that it said IPV6 is a Microsoft proprietary protocol. |
| 10:40.50 | hexxeh | i thought DNF was gonna come with Sarge |
| 10:40.59 | freaky_ | anyone know how to get mailman to add the footer visible to multipart msgs? (with text/plain and html content, in multipart messages the footer doesn't show up in either text or html, it's in the e-mail tho') |
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| 10:41.02 | jetscreamer | i bet they have proprietary EXTENSIONS for it |
| 10:41.11 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 10:41.15 | Ragan | slept, *nods* Gotta be konqueror because it works without famd -L in shell, I'll try in another filemanager when I get home, if it works on those I'll file a bug. I'm out, have a nice day everybody |
| 10:41.15 | yebian | jetscreamer: no doubt. |
| 10:41.20 | fooz | drac, it won't magically make your system more secure. that just turns on selinux. you have to configure it.. |
| 10:41.25 | fooz | drac, good luck :) |
| 10:41.31 | drac | fooz: thanks :) |
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| 10:41.47 | fooz | drac, you may want to read some howtos and visit russel coker's page.. |
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| 10:41.54 | jim | rixth: (1) have you read the cited docs? (/msg dpkg research) (2) apache already comes with a startup script |
| 10:42.08 | njan | yebian, if you 'believe you saw it', you're not really in a position to be able to tell a public channel of almost 800 people that microsoft *are* implying they own it :p |
| 10:42.19 | rixth | jim; my compiled one doesn't seem to |
| 10:42.37 | pureone | rixth didnt you apt-get it then config it? |
| 10:42.44 | yebian | njan: ok steve |
| 10:42.46 | fooz | drac, http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ |
| 10:42.59 | drac | fooz: again, thank you. *reading* |
| 10:43.12 | njan | yebian, seriously. Bashing microsoft without due cause just makes you look silly, and it means people (like the IT industry) take the genuine criticisms less seriously. |
| 10:43.14 | rixth | No, I compiled from source. |
| 10:43.25 | Overand | MS windows has issues, but hell |
| 10:43.27 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 10:43.36 | Overand | MS is amazingly developer centric |
| 10:43.48 | Overand | one of the reasons MS is so popular is that it's *so painfully easy* to write apps in windows |
| 10:43.54 | jetscreamer | actually, i'm probably the most vocal windows advocate you'll find in here... :) |
| 10:43.55 | nomad_cz | njan: It is pretty clear that Ms wants to own everything ;) |
| 10:43.57 | Overand | especially with the .net framework |
| 10:43.58 | njan | yebian, it's for this reason that every time I, as an IT pro, suggest running anything off linux, the reply is "but you're just saying that because you're a linux guy", and I ahve to go off on a tirade about the fact that I work in IT, which means as far as I'm concerned, I use the best tools for my client for the job |
| 10:44.00 | yebian | I seriously got the impression from Longhorn that Microsoft was trying to make open standards proprietary. |
| 10:44.01 | hexxeh | gtk2-perl is very easy |
| 10:44.01 | fooz | I dunno.. I think it's easier to be a developer under linux |
| 10:44.01 | ideafix | yebian: already told us that he is in the M$ testing list |
| 10:44.03 | Overand | VB.NET is *too* easy |
| 10:44.08 | jim | that's not even close to true... |
| 10:44.16 | stuartSan | jeez ftp worked fine when i did apt-get update but now when i wanna get nvidia-kernel-common i can't connect to the ftp |
| 10:44.17 | pureone | vb6 shall die soon |
| 10:44.21 | njan | yebian, of course they are. But if you can't prove it, don't start pointing accusations :p |
| 10:44.23 | Overand | pureone: it'll never 'die' |
| 10:44.27 | rixth | Look, all I want to do is (on startup) run the command "/usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl -k start" as root |
| 10:44.29 | jetscreamer | vb7 is already out |
| 10:44.29 | Overand | but it'll reach end of life |
| 10:44.38 | Overand | jetscreamer: VB.NET isn't "vb 7" per se |
| 10:44.43 | SuperSox | VB.Net is broken, VB6 is far less headbanging |
| 10:44.56 | hexxeh | i'm a non-msdn microsoft beta tester. and a certified windows preinstallation expert. do i think of these as good things? no |
| 10:44.57 | Overand | SuperSox: I disagree that VB.Net is broken |
| 10:45.00 | yebian | I like VB.NET |
| 10:45.02 | fooz | compiler comes with the system.. standard C and C++ environment straight out of any "Learn <some language> in 21 Days" book |
| 10:45.02 | SuperSox | Generally though .NET is very nice :) |
| 10:45.03 | pureone | ok point taken but microsoft wont support it and it aint open source so people will have to use outdated compilers |
| 10:45.04 | Overand | but there are certainly flawed |
| 10:45.08 | SuperSox | Overand: aren't opinions great? :D |
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| 10:45.17 | jim | the ms apis are so complicated that even ms employees don't like them, and it (and other pressures) lead to one-year persoinel turnover |
| 10:45.18 | Overand | SuperSox: what do you consider broken? |
| 10:45.19 | jetscreamer | hexxeh, you to eh? i'm a partner to boot |
| 10:45.20 | Overand | i'm curious |
| 10:45.24 | jetscreamer | too |
| 10:45.38 | Overand | *some* stuff should be better in the whidbey time frame |
| 10:45.48 | yebian | StuartSan: no problem |
| 10:45.50 | jim | you mean what's broken other than their apis? |
| 10:45.53 | njan | jim, that's not what I've heard. Every MS staff member I know who isn't a contractor loves their job. |
| 10:45.54 | fooz | VB.NET is kinda weird.. personally I'd rather use VB6 than VB.NET |
| 10:45.56 | SuperSox | Overand: I haven't played with it too heavily to be honest, but I found it very... messy |
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| 10:46.04 | fooz | however, I'd also rather stab myself with nails than use VB6 |
| 10:46.10 | Overand | SuperSox: i find the UI to be a little flaky |
| 10:46.11 | rixth | Look, all I want to do is (on startup) run the command "/usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl -k start" as root |
| 10:46.13 | jetscreamer | even i can code minor shit in .net, and i can't code anything |
| 10:46.15 | rixth | How would I do that |
| 10:46.20 | Overand | a few weirdnesses about the IDE |
| 10:46.22 | fooz | I like C# though |
| 10:46.23 | Overand | but the language is fine |
| 10:46.24 | SuperSox | Overand: personally I'd just ues C# |
| 10:46.25 | jim | rixth: (1) have you read the cited docs? (/msg dpkg research) (2) apache already comes with a startup script |
| 10:46.27 | Overand | but it's not strongly typed |
| 10:46.37 | jim | rixth: man update-rc.d, ls /etc/init.d/, ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 10:46.37 | Overand | SuperSox: yeah, C# is *probably* a 'better' language in a lot of ways |
| 10:46.43 | Overand | VB.Net is arguably more readable though |
| 10:46.44 | yebian | njan: What is your education level? |
| 10:46.46 | pureone | i need to test out c# i havent had the chance to yet |
| 10:46.49 | fooz | Overand, it has weird keywords |
| 10:46.50 | yebian | njan: dont lie. |
| 10:46.57 | hexxeh | c# is okay, but i found the docs in mono lacking |
| 10:46.59 | rixth | jim:, I'm tired. Need to go to bed. Why not just tell me? |
| 10:47.00 | Overand | fooz: you mena like 'wend' ? |
| 10:47.00 | njan | yebian, half a university degree. |
| 10:47.00 | Overand | heh |
| 10:47.00 | fooz | coming from C, I can't read VB.NET at all |
| 10:47.03 | SuperSox | Overand: *nods* .Net is acctually a nice framework |
| 10:47.08 | njan | rixth, apt-get install sysv-rc-conf and enable the apache startup script. |
| 10:47.16 | Overand | they're finally starting to get *something* right |
| 10:47.18 | stuartSan | is it okay if i ctrl+c in between apt-get installs etc if it won't connect to ftp |
| 10:47.18 | rixth | njan; thank you |
| 10:47.19 | fooz | but C# is real easy to grok |
| 10:47.24 | jim | rixth: then go to bed and read that stuff tomorrow. Becasue I shouldn't have to. |
| 10:47.25 | stuartSan | i won't spoil any files or anything right |
| 10:47.28 | jetscreamer | here ya go kiddies http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/ |
| 10:47.31 | Overand | i'm actually quite interested to see what will happen when avalon goes mainstream. i expect to see some cool apps |
| 10:47.35 | njan | yebian, not that it has any relevance on anything in particular, but why? |
| 10:47.36 | fooz | Overand, all they got right was a language and a fast runtime. |
| 10:47.36 | matlads | we've got a network printer (HP LaserJet 1320), does anyone have experience with connecting to this printer using debian? |
| 10:47.40 | SuperSox | I wrote a paper on .net and got a B for it :D |
| 10:47.48 | SuperSox | would have got an A if i had more time to spend on it |
| 10:47.55 | Overand | fooz: and something resembling usable code access security |
| 10:47.55 | nomad_cz | mathieu_: Cups works for me ;) |
| 10:47.58 | hexxeh | i got a free book about .net from MS \o/ |
| 10:48.01 | fooz | Overand, apparently the class libraries suck (not thread safe) and ASP.NET engine sucks (the implementation of it) |
| 10:48.03 | Overand | even aiming in that direction is a good sign for them |
| 10:48.06 | SuperSox | was really enjoying it too, for once a programming language started to make sense :) |
| 10:48.14 | Overand | fooz: the ASP.NET engine works, and performance is *decent* |
| 10:48.16 | yebian | njan: you sound as if you were a Professor with a PhD and 34 years in the industry. |
| 10:48.17 | fooz | Overand, for instance you can't use any SQL server other than MS's for session |
| 10:48.19 | jetscreamer | matlads, hpoj.sourceforge.net iirc... and you can apt-get install hpoij and hpjis |
| 10:48.20 | hexxeh | SuperSox, try writing web services in brainfuck.net |
| 10:48.27 | SuperSox | hexxeh: LOL. |
| 10:48.30 | nomad_cz | matlads: Cups works for me ... |
| 10:48.36 | matlads | nomad_cz: anyhing special you did? |
| 10:48.37 | nomad_cz | mathieu_: Sorry;) |
| 10:48.40 | SuperSox | hexxeh: whitespace.net would be better surely? :) |
| 10:48.45 | fooz | Overand, I'm not talking about performance, i'm talking about other annoying misfeatures |
| 10:48.46 | Overand | haha |
| 10:48.54 | nomad_cz | matlads: I do not think so ;) |
| 10:49.01 | yebian | njan: A Microsoft shareholder perhaps. |
| 10:49.06 | Agrajag- | hey all, im trying to create a simple debian package. to get all the files i want in the package, i've set the --prefix (/home/foo/bar) and done make install, but now there are links in the binaries to /home/foo/bar/usr/lib/ and such. how do i do this properly? |
| 10:49.07 | njan | yebian, not at all. |
| 10:49.14 | Overand | fooz: that's certainly a problem |
| 10:49.19 | Overand | and is a bit of a 'vendor lock-in' thing |
| 10:49.22 | njan | yebian, I don't own any shares in anything; I'm not paid even vaguely enough to be able to afford any :) |
| 10:49.31 | jetscreamer | msft shares are good |
| 10:49.34 | jetscreamer | so is ibm |
| 10:49.36 | hexxeh | SuperSox, is there a .net compiler for whitespace though? |
| 10:49.39 | SuperSox | njan: I'll let you invest in my company |
| 10:49.43 | fooz | Overand, Mono's ASP.NET system supports any SQL server.. it's a trivial bit of code |
| 10:49.50 | njan | yebian, but you don't need a PhD, a vested interest, or shares in order to know what you're talking about. I've been using OSS and Microsoft technologies for a long time, and I work with both. *shrug* |
| 10:49.53 | SuperSox | hexxeh: not that I know of - it shouldn't be too hard to create one however |
| 10:49.54 | Overand | there's a .net compiler that'll do ASM, heh |
| 10:49.59 | njan | SuperSox, thanks, but no thanks ;) |
| 10:50.09 | fooz | Overand, MS could easily steal it. it'd take them 10 minutes. MS is just being a jerk, that's all |
| 10:50.20 | Overand | fooz: they *can't* steal it |
| 10:50.26 | Overand | the code is GPL, right? |
| 10:50.28 | Overand | what license does mono use? |
| 10:50.32 | jim | I knew these microsoft shareholders... some were engineers, and they couldn't install windows... so I did it, and they couldn't take the rest of thieir install from there |
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| 10:50.41 | fooz | Overand, heh. it's so simple that there's no need to steal it verbatim |
| 10:50.44 | yebian | njan: then why did you start ripping on me for saying that I felt Microsoft is implying owner ship of open protocols. |
| 10:50.53 | pengol | hi there ... how do I configure my default browser? |
| 10:50.57 | yebian | njan: with its new version of windows. |
| 10:50.58 | matlads | !package hpoij |
| 10:50.59 | Overand | fooz: have you checked to see if that functionality is in whidbey? |
| 10:51.07 | hexxeh | pengol, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 10:51.08 | Overand | just curious |
| 10:51.10 | njan | yebian, because you were making accusations without backing them up or citing any justification or proof of those accusations |
| 10:51.13 | fooz | Overand, it's changing one line (whatever line connects to the SQL server) to 5 lines (read a property from web.config and load class dynamically) |
| 10:51.13 | jim | I would hope they sold some of their stock at that point, being in the position of customer |
| 10:51.19 | fooz | Overand, nah.. i doubt it is though |
| 10:51.22 | jetscreamer | !find hpoij |
| 10:51.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'hpoij' returned no results. |
| 10:51.39 | nomad_cz | matlads: Maybe one thing I use .ppd from http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
| 10:51.50 | njan | yebian, even if I didn't care about what you said (which, realistically, I don't; you're just some guy on IRC), like I pointed out, making accusations like that just isn't good for anyone. It makes people take other linux/oss guys *less* seriously, and it doesn't make the point you're wanting to make. |
| 10:51.53 | pengol | hexxeh: thankz |
| 10:51.56 | jetscreamer | !info hpoj |
| 10:51.59 | dpkg | hpoj: (HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.91-4 (sid), Packaged size: 430 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
| 10:52.07 | jetscreamer | !info hpijs |
| 10:52.10 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.0.1+0.8.7-4 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 10:52.13 | fooz | MS still could clue up signifigantly though |
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| 10:52.18 | yebian | njan: I think I remember saying that I had the impression it was which, is hardly slander. |
| 10:52.26 | nomad_cz | matlads: But It has nothing to do with network connection or so ... ;) |
| 10:52.30 | matlads | nomad_cz: and you can print over the network without problems with that ppd? |
| 10:52.35 | fooz | how hard would it be to give away a compiler and IDE without a "beta" marking on it? |
| 10:52.43 | matlads | !package hpoj |
| 10:52.46 | nomad_cz | matlads: Yes. |
| 10:52.47 | fooz | they've got an "Express" version of visual studio, but they're still going to charge for it. |
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| 10:53.07 | Overand | fooz: do you *really* want the MS dev envryonment to be free? |
| 10:53.13 | Overand | That would hurt a lot of companies. |
| 10:53.17 | jetscreamer | HP OfficeJet Linux driver project: <http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/>; HP OfficeJet Linux driver project: <http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/suplist.shtml>; Debian -- hpoj: <http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/hpoj>; Debian -- hpoj: <http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/hpoj>; HP OfficeJet with Red Hat Linux 9: (2 more messages) |
| 10:53.32 | fooz | Overand, well.. I don't know. maybe just the C# or VB.NET ones? |
| 10:53.39 | fooz | Overand, they already give out the C# compiler (command-line) |
| 10:53.43 | jim | Overand: do you think software that is already free hurts a lot of companies? |
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| 10:53.58 | stuartSan | um i did module-assistant auto-install nvidia and now the Building nvidia-kernel-source, step 1 keeps repeating itself, is this normal |
| 10:54.11 | yebian | no |
| 10:54.14 | jetscreamer | it affects their profit margin, but not a really big hurt for the big boys |
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| 10:54.28 | fooz | Overand, i think he's right.. gcc didn't kill off watcom and borland.. Visual Studio did |
| 10:55.12 | jetscreamer | stuartSan, me personally i find the nvidia.run's to function well |
| 10:55.28 | yebian | yeah sh nvidia.run |
| 10:55.40 | stuartSan | dang i should've did that then lol |
| 10:55.41 | pureone | i would rather see compilers / dev tools free but companys do need to make money |
| 10:55.43 | njan | yebian, you didn't say you had the impression, you used specific terms; "They are implicating that they OWN IT" - my point isn't that you're slandering them; I don't care who you slander - my point was, making unfounded accusations hurts everyone in this channel, because it makes well-formulated points (whether they're made to businesses, individuals, or whoever) harder to make because they surrounded by this cloud of what, if it were coming from a corporation, p |
| 10:55.43 | njan | eople in here would all label FUD. |
| 10:56.03 | fooz | i've got plenty of C compilers, what I need is a working free smalltalk compiler. something fast |
| 10:56.04 | jetscreamer | but stuartSan you need the kernel-headers for the .run |
| 10:56.19 | njan | yebian, I'll continue this in a second, if you reply.. I need to run out of the office for a second ;) |
| 10:56.27 | hexxeh | nvidia .run files. a fast-track path to broken TLS links, and b0rkage when X updates |
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| 10:56.38 | Noid | is it possible to run another command in inittab for a certain runlevel, besides the rc one? the man page doesn't say |
| 10:56.47 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -a --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 10:57.06 | jetscreamer | nothing orks here |
| 10:57.10 | jetscreamer | or borks |
| 10:57.24 | jim | Noid: which man page did you read? |
| 10:57.25 | hexxeh | 6629 is obsolete |
| 10:57.37 | hexxeh | and you want pkg0 if you're compiling your own header |
| 10:57.43 | jetscreamer | yeah i know, i'm running the latest but that's in my bash_history |
| 10:57.46 | mufa | use 7167 |
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| 10:57.52 | hexxeh | and either way, if the X packages are updated, things start to break in new & exciting ways |
| 10:58.15 | hexxeh | and jumping between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels isn't very happy with the nvidia-installer drivers either |
| 10:58.16 | Noid | jim: man inittab |
| 10:58.17 | jetscreamer | and according to nvidia the only difference between pkg0 and 1 is the precompiled stuff |
| 10:58.36 | jim | Noid: what does man init have to say? |
| 10:58.37 | mufa | hexxeh: what things got broke ? |
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| 10:58.41 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 10:58.44 | hexxeh | that's sorta the point. pkg0 is smaller as it has no precompiles in it |
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| 10:59.03 | Noid | jim: checking... |
| 10:59.18 | hexxeh | mufa, anything. nvidia-installer indiscriminantly overwrites files owned by a plethora of debian packages. if those packages are updated, the nvidia files are replaced. |
| 10:59.27 | yebian | The point is I hate Microsoft. I wouldn't curse anybody with the benefit of Microsoft software, and I hate Microsoft because Microsoft will have you believe that they own open standards and protocols when they do not. |
| 10:59.28 | jetscreamer | i get the 1 because it MUST be more 1337, it's > 0 |
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| 10:59.41 | yoo | i try a new memory 1Go PC3200 with my 2.6.10 kernel |
| 10:59.42 | stuartSan | okay well since i was halfway there, i finished with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:59.43 | jetscreamer | ms lies, ok what's your point |
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| 10:59.47 | stuartSan | asked me a bunch of stuff, and i'm done now.. do i restart? |
| 10:59.50 | yoo | but when i boot i have that |
| 10:59.56 | mufa | hexxeh: I thaught nvidia-installer just creates a module file for the curent kernel |
| 10:59.59 | jim | Noid: nan inittab shoudl have given you an exact spec of the syntax of that file |
| 10:59.59 | stuartSan | and how'd i check if i have nvidia installed properly |
| 11:00.00 | hexxeh | stuartSan, were you following the nvidia one-liner? |
| 11:00.01 | yoo | 127MB HIGHMEM available 890MB LOWMEM available |
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| 11:00.05 | hexxeh | mufa, not at all. |
| 11:00.14 | yoo | so my PC reboot alone |
| 11:00.18 | stuartSan | hexxeh: followed a 5 stepd advice from the forums |
| 11:00.21 | jetscreamer | yoo that's a gig, right? |
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| 11:00.31 | jetscreamer | maybe onboard memory |
| 11:00.31 | yoo | yes |
| 11:00.37 | sth_ | Anyone here with IBM RS6000-experience? |
| 11:00.37 | nomad_cz | yebian: I hate MS as well. I could have different reasons but anyway - I hate them ;) |
| 11:00.37 | jetscreamer | err onboard video |
| 11:00.42 | hexxeh | stuartSan, bleh. did you install nvidia-glx, add "nvidia" to /etc/modules, and modprobe nvidia? |
| 11:00.50 | yoo | in my lilo.conf |
| 11:00.50 | mufa | hexxeh: then I'm just lucky to use nvidia drivers without problems, so far |
| 11:00.50 | stuartSan | hexxeh: : say what? |
| 11:00.53 | yoo | image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 |
| 11:00.53 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.55 | stuartSan | lol okay now i'm confused |
| 11:01.08 | hexxeh | stuartSan, what are these magical instructions you say you followed? |
| 11:01.22 | rixth | jim, thanks for not telling me. I though myself, we all know the proverb "Give the man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him HOW to fish, feed him for a lifetime" |
| 11:01.29 | stuartSan | can i message you the commands cos its cut and paste, 5 lines |
| 11:01.39 | jetscreamer | !wttd yoo |
| 11:01.41 | rixth | And I've jsut it working! |
| 11:01.42 | hexxeh | #flood |
| 11:01.56 | Noid | jim: well, what i'm asking is if i can do something like l2:2:wait:"/etc/init.d/rc 2; foo", the man page doesn't say and I wanted to ask before trying it, just in case |
| 11:02.02 | jetscreamer | what are you trying to do, yoo, what is the purpose of your line in lilo.conf |
| 11:02.08 | njan | that's better. My duty as a member of the glamorous IT industry include moving filing cabinets around, this morning :) |
| 11:02.26 | stuartSan | hexxeh: those are the commands |
| 11:02.29 | yoo | tell to my system i have 1 Go of memory |
| 11:02.36 | hexxeh | stuartSan, your instructions are incomplete. |
| 11:02.49 | jetscreamer | yoo, it shouldn't need telling, it should autodetect it |
| 11:02.56 | stuartSan | there's more? |
| 11:02.57 | yoo | ok |
| 11:03.02 | hexxeh | stuartSan, first, apt-get install nvidia-settings. next, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 11:03.10 | hexxeh | stuartSan, then modprobe nvidia |
| 11:03.11 | yoo | no option to boot |
| 11:03.11 | jim | rixth: aside from everythign else, I thougt you might enjoy the discuvery,,., it's not too complex, and you can get a lot more out of the discovery than one single question on one single aspect of the whole |
| 11:03.18 | pat5star | hi all, I've been trying to load a new 2.6.11 kernel for a few days and am stumped. I keep getting "please append correct root=..." messages. I've googled for 2 days and tried everything. Any possible suggestions on what else I could try? |
| 11:03.18 | hexxeh | stuartSan, do you use gdm, or kdm, or another *dm? |
| 11:03.27 | jetscreamer | ? no option to boot? |
| 11:03.37 | stuartSan | hexxeh: dont think so |
| 11:03.39 | hexxeh | stuartSan, i.e. which graphical login screen if any |
| 11:03.40 | yoo | mem=...... |
| 11:03.42 | matlads | nomad_cz: jetscreamer : got it working thanx guys |
| 11:03.45 | jim | Noid: sounds like it's worth a try :) |
| 11:03.56 | stuartSan | hexxeh: oh.. kdm |
| 11:04.05 | jetscreamer | pat5star, sounds like lack of proper initrd configuration |
| 11:04.09 | yebian | njan: being as I shared mine and you said you also tried Longhorn what was your impression? |
| 11:04.13 | hexxeh | stuartSan, son once you've done my additional steps, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 11:04.22 | nomad_cz | matlads: U are welcome ;) |
| 11:04.28 | hexxeh | stuartSan, on furure reboots, the nvidia driver will be loaded & used. |
| 11:04.28 | jim | Noid: but note, there is a structure in place aoready to do things like start services |
| 11:04.29 | jetscreamer | yoo, paste your lilo.conf in #flood ? |
| 11:04.30 | yoo | i try within my lilo.conf line in the first time but the problem appears |
| 11:04.35 | yoo | ok |
| 11:04.38 | yoo | thank |
| 11:04.52 | njan | yebian, it's not a bad product. I have much the same opinion of it on the whole as most people; microsoft are stupid shipping it without winfs, but they have to because of all of the customers who have upgrade insurance :) |
| 11:04.59 | stuartSan | hexxeh: no such file or directory |
| 11:05.11 | pat5star | jetscreamer: I've tried many different ways, then I decided to compile everything the kernel needs instead of modules to forego initrd, and still the same |
| 11:05.27 | jetscreamer | pat5star, you compile the stuff in, not as modules |
| 11:05.27 | hexxeh | stuartSan, at which point? |
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| 11:05.34 | jetscreamer | Y not M |
| 11:05.36 | stuartSan | at /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 11:05.54 | hexxeh | stuartSan, are you SURE you use kdm, and not xdm, sdm, gdm, wdm? |
| 11:06.22 | jim | what';s sdm? |
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| 11:06.26 | simonrvn | sdm? |
| 11:06.27 | hexxeh | !info sdm |
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| 11:06.33 | dpkg | sdm: (Secure Display Manager - secure remote access to X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.0a-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 11:06.37 | stuartSan | well i am only aware of xwindows being a windows interface, and kdm because i choose kde session at the login screen of xwin |
| 11:06.39 | yebian | njan: Do you believe Microsoft may one day choke itself to death on all of its legal redtape? |
| 11:06.42 | simonrvn | hmm, thanks |
| 11:06.43 | Noid | jim: yes, i know, i'm just playing around a bit, if this works i need to do nothing more (; |
| 11:06.50 | simonrvn | @xwindows |
| 11:06.50 | ravenbird | xwindows is, like, NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 11:06.53 | stuartSan | if its antyhing else then i'm too noobish to know that yet lol |
| 11:07.14 | hexxeh | stuartSan, if you have an option, i doubt it's kdm. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 11:07.22 | Zvpun | I got a mail from a Group Wise client and Thunderbird doesnt display anything. I think that the mail is completly broken. There are two MIME boundary endings for the same boundary and what is multipart/alternative anyways. Can you take a look at it and tell me your opinion please? http://sial.org/pbot/8101 |
| 11:07.23 | man_in_shack | anyone here run xorg? |
| 11:07.25 | njan | yebian, I think they have more sense than that, but it's quite possible :) |
| 11:07.27 | stuartSan | !info gdm |
| 11:07.29 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2974 kB, Installed size: 9316 kB |
| 11:07.40 | Overand | wow |
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| 11:07.43 | stuartSan | sigh, i wonder when i'll learn.. too confusing |
| 11:07.44 | stuartSan | k trying |
| 11:07.46 | Overand | 9.3 megs |
| 11:07.49 | jim | stuartSan: x has features similar to pcanywhere and more |
| 11:07.51 | Overand | big |
| 11:07.54 | Overand | !info kdm |
| 11:07.57 | dpkg | kdm: (KDE Display Manager), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB |
| 11:08.00 | Overand | heh |
| 11:08.04 | man_in_shack | !info xdm |
| 11:08.10 | dpkg | xdm: (X display manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 11:08.14 | simonrvn | stuartSan: one step at a time, that's all |
| 11:08.20 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 11:08.22 | Overand | kdm's not that much bigger |
| 11:08.23 | Overand | surprising |
| 11:08.23 | hexxeh | gdm comes with more than 3 themes. |
| 11:08.24 | pureone | i like kdm most |
| 11:08.30 | pat5star | does /etc/fstab get generated everytime you boot up? I'm wondering if mine is corrupted or something and that is why I'm having problems with the "please append correct root..." option |
| 11:08.38 | man_in_shack | i like xdm |
| 11:08.41 | njan | yebian, what most people ignore is, Microsoft wouldn't be this big if they were stupid. They have a lot of good coders, managers, marketers, research staff.. |
| 11:08.44 | hexxeh | and has its own options settings, rather than being in kcontrol |
| 11:08.49 | Zvpun | pat5star: I dont think so |
| 11:09.02 | njan | yebian, as anyone who's ever been to a technet event will tell you, some of microsoft's technical guys are *really* on the ball. Proper hackers. |
| 11:09.12 | Overand | well |
| 11:09.15 | Overand | piss on it as much as you want |
| 11:09.17 | nomad_cz | njan: MS is so big because of IBM ;) |
| 11:09.25 | Overand | it's a proper, functional OS with a decent development envyronment |
| 11:09.32 | Overand | there's some nice code there |
| 11:09.44 | njan | nomad_cz, they were lucky to get that break. But they're not the only company to ride on the back of IBM, and they're the only to get this big. |
| 11:09.44 | PerfDave | njan: I'd agree with everything except "managers" there, knowing a fair few people who've worked for Microsoft. |
| 11:09.50 | Overand | SOME the problems with MS are really just caused by their marraige to backwards compatability |
| 11:09.56 | man_in_shack | it's also very very buggy and poorly designed |
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| 11:10.03 | Zvpun | njan: proof your Microsoft statement please. |
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| 11:10.15 | njan | PerfDave, there are some very talented managers in MS, but they tend to blend into the woodwork :p |
| 11:10.19 | njan | Zvpun, which one. |
| 11:10.26 | yebian | njan: I didnt say Microsoft was stupid. I said Microsoft sucks. |
| 11:10.32 | libpcp | anyone knows an opensource bandwidth manager? |
| 11:10.33 | PerfDave | njan: They're the exception, not the rule. |
| 11:10.33 | pat5star | I've also noticed that with 2.4.* my drives are referred to as hd*, but with 2.6.* they are referred to as sd*. I'm currently booted up with knoppix right now and it is using sd*, could this be part of my problem? |
| 11:10.39 | njan | yebian, yeah, I never said you did. I was pointing out a common misconception :p |
| 11:10.48 | nomad_cz | njan: Yes, but anyway IBM was their ticket ;) |
| 11:10.52 | Noid | jim: fwiw, it doesn't work, though fortunately it doesn't severely cripple bootup |
| 11:11.02 | hexxeh | pat5star, intel serial ata? |
| 11:11.10 | pat5star | hexxeh: yes |
| 11:11.15 | Zvpun | njan: being big because they are good |
| 11:11.17 | jim | Overand: simply put, unix/linux was built for coding from the ground up... the legacy of windows starts with a bad copy (msdos) of a poor ripoff (CP/M) of unix |
| 11:11.18 | njan | PerfDave, hmm. You reckon? I don't have a great concept of their internal management structure, although I do know how their network is structured, because their techs love talking about it :) |
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| 11:11.42 | Faithful | How long do the security updates continue for debian releases? |
| 11:11.44 | Corwin | Does anyone know anything about Debian on Alpha systems? I'm having some trouble getting it installed |
| 11:11.44 | stuart | thanks loads hexxeh, the nvidia splash screen was there so i guess it was successful |
| 11:11.45 | jim | Overand: we can start by comparing shells for intelligence if you want :) |
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| 11:11.50 | njan | Zvpun, shoddy, poorly planned corporations don't do well. If Microsoft hadn't sold effective products which did the job, they would not be this big; growth on this scale doesn't happen by accident, and you can't attribute it all to luck and timing. |
| 11:12.24 | Zvpun | njan: there are scientiest who believe that life itself is just luck |
| 11:12.32 | mufa | I have a problem wiht my soundcard (ac97). Alsa detects and installs it, I can hear sounds, but I cannot modify the volume. |
| 11:12.33 | stuartSan | i realise that i need to do an 'ifconfig lo down' because there's this lo connection on all the time.. how'd i stop that from running |
| 11:12.41 | Overand | jim: no debate that the shell sucks |
| 11:12.41 | man_in_shack | njan, no that's not true |
| 11:12.44 | njan | Zvpun, Microsoft obviously don't have a vested interest in doing the best they can for their customers, but (especially now) they keep coming out with products which *do* advance beyond previous versions, and are more secure, well integrated.. |
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| 11:12.48 | Overand | jim: there's a new windows shell official from MS that's in beta |
| 11:12.51 | njan | man_in_shack, have you ever run a corporate network? |
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| 11:12.53 | stuartSan | if i don't do ifconfig lo down, i can connect but wont be able to resolve dns/surf/chat etc. |
| 11:12.57 | Overand | i forget the name, but it's suppsoed to be worth checking out |
| 11:12.57 | man_in_shack | njan, they bought out their competition as much as they could and forced themselves onto all new pcs |
| 11:13.00 | njan | man_in_shack, I'm not being snarky.. serious question.. |
| 11:13.03 | Overand | or you can use cygwin and run bash heh |
| 11:13.18 | jim | Overand: would we have any debate that the development environment depends on a good command line shell? |
| 11:13.21 | man_in_shack | njan, THAT'S how they got big. people put up with it until they're exposed to something better |
| 11:13.24 | drac | mufa: are you in audio group? and does audio group have access to /dev/mixer ? |
| 11:13.25 | njan | man_in_shack, yup. They use aggressive business tactics. I'm not talking about their business tactics, I'm talking about their software design. |
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| 11:13.33 | hexxeh | stuartSan, you want lo to b there. i suspect your router is passing you dodgy information (check /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 11:13.34 | yebian | njan: Microsoft has created a barrier to entry |
| 11:13.35 | Overand | jim: there are very effecient developers who stick to IDEs |
| 11:13.37 | Zvpun | njan: I dont think that company size has anything to do with product quality, good management, etc. |
| 11:13.42 | Overand | and use apps like 'code rush' that do refactoring |
| 11:13.50 | Overand | *most* of what we use the command line for can be done in an IDE |
| 11:13.51 | Overand | note i say most |
| 11:13.52 | man_in_shack | njan, their software is buggy and poorly designed |
| 11:13.53 | mufa | drac: yes |
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| 11:13.59 | Overand | there are certainly times when the command line is great |
| 11:14.00 | njan | man_in_shack, that's just not true. |
| 11:14.02 | Overand | and i loe using it |
| 11:14.20 | stuartSan | hexxeh: but only when its not there am i able to go online |
| 11:14.20 | man_in_shack | njan, really now? |
| 11:14.20 | jim | IDEs are cool as far as they go... but look at X... even that does not represent the entire power of linux/unix |
| 11:14.32 | man_in_shack | njan, do you work for microsoft? |
| 11:14.33 | jim | not in any way other than the fact you can have a shell window |
| 11:14.41 | njan | man_in_shack, as you'd know if you'd seriously used some of their new products. Server 2k3 is not buggy or poorly designed. It has faults because of the path windows has taken, historically, but it's a fairly secure product. |
| 11:14.47 | pat5star | also, I've installed grub and I've tried to append every possible root=/dev/(h|s)da[0-9]* combo I can think of...with the same damn result..."please append correct root=..." arrgghh! |
| 11:14.48 | hexxeh | stuartSan, i can't think why that's happening. |
| 11:14.50 | njan | man_in_shack, no, but unlike most FOSS advocates, I don't bury my head in the sand. |
| 11:15.04 | hexxeh | pat5star, is this with a kernel you compiled yourself, or a debian kernel-image? |
| 11:15.09 | man_in_shack | njan, the sand is on the other side of the line |
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| 11:15.24 | stuartSan | hexxeh: /etc/resolv.conf is fine though |
| 11:15.30 | man_in_shack | njan, simply having the windows regisitry is a sign of poor design |
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| 11:15.33 | stuartSan | btw i'm connecting through ethernet pppoe |
| 11:15.43 | pat5star | hexxh: first 1 I compiled myself, then I tried going back to the debian kernel and it won't work anymore either |
| 11:15.52 | jim | command line is language, and language is where the expressive power is |
| 11:15.59 | njan | man_in_shack, like I said, there are faults due to the path windows has taken. |
| 11:16.17 | man_in_shack | njan, add to that examples such as plugging usb or pci devices into different ports and they come up as different devices and they reinstall the drivers |
| 11:16.28 | njan | man_in_shack, again, that's nothing new with 2k3 |
| 11:16.32 | stuartSan | besides lo, which i've disabled, there's an eth0 and a PPP in ifconfig.. but there seems to be no problem with either one |
| 11:16.36 | njan | man_in_shack, that's as a result of an architecture which is a decade old |
| 11:16.38 | man_in_shack | njan, if you have two of one device, you have two drivers loaded |
| 11:16.40 | jim | finally... |
| 11:16.51 | man_in_shack | njan, no, it can easily be changed |
| 11:16.57 | pat5star | hexxeh: It makes me think I've screwed up /dev or something else. With knoppix however, I can mount sda6 and access all my files |
| 11:17.01 | jim | you pay through the nose in money and legal rights to use microsoft crap. |
| 11:17.05 | njan | man_in_shack, and break every driver in existence. No-one would want to use an OS which did that |
| 11:17.07 | njan | jim, of course. |
| 11:17.21 | njan | "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles" - if you don't realistically think microsoft have products which work, and if you don't learn *how* they work, then you are a terrible F/OSS advocate. |
| 11:17.29 | pat5star | hexxeh: /dev or /etc/fstab....I'm not sure which, or both! |
| 11:17.30 | man_in_shack | njan, bullshit! fix the way windows handles the drivers and it'd be transparent |
| 11:17.46 | njan | If you can't tell me how windows server 2003 compares to Open ENterprise Server, RHEL, or mandrake, then you have no business advocating linux servers in a corporate environment. |
| 11:17.53 | man_in_shack | njan, especially as you can't use a winxp driver in 98, 2000, 2k3 etc |
| 11:18.02 | man_in_shack | njan, with few exceptions |
| 11:18.03 | jim | njan: I don't care to understand microsoft |
| 11:18.11 | jim | it's a waste of my time |
| 11:18.25 | man_in_shack | njan, wtf uses mandrake as a server? |
| 11:18.26 | yebian | jim: amen |
| 11:18.35 | njan | man_in_shack, quite a few people, actually. |
| 11:18.36 | jetscreamer | you can't run a module on a different kernel version you say |
| 11:18.38 | man_in_shack | njan, and wtf are you doing in here apart from trolling? |
| 11:18.44 | yebian | those poor bastards |
| 11:19.03 | flydog | who can help me ,firefox crashed |
| 11:19.06 | stuartSan | is it just me or is linuks.mine.nu down |
| 11:19.14 | man_in_shack | njan, mandrake is not designed as a server os. even suse would be a better choice |
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| 11:19.22 | PerfDave | People run Sid on servers, or Gentoy. Hell, people run Windows on servers! People are dumb! |
| 11:19.26 | njan | man_in_shack, I was originally having a discussion about longhorn with yebian - since I was talking about windows, people like you started to argue with me because you don't like the idea that your hate figure might actually put out a product which works, and you've refused to drop the argument. |
| 11:19.34 | yebian | man_in_shack: Hes looking for somebody who owns/hasmoney to sue on Microsofts behalf for slander. |
| 11:19.44 | njan | yebian, bollocks I am :p |
| 11:19.46 | flydog | NP_Initialize |
| 11:19.46 | flydog | New |
| 11:19.46 | flydog | SetWindow |
| 11:19.46 | flydog | New |
| 11:19.47 | flydog | SetWindow |
| 11:19.47 | flydog | New |
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| 11:19.56 | pureone | i dont feel secure with woody to tell you the truth |
| 11:19.58 | Phated | Idjit. |
| 11:20.08 | man_in_shack | njan, dude, the product doesn't work for me |
| 11:20.18 | man_in_shack | njan, for a start it uses too many resources |
| 11:20.23 | njan | man_in_shack, what exactly do you call 'Corporate Server', then, if not a version of Mandrake designed for servers? |
| 11:20.47 | man_in_shack | njan, and i can't afford to buy a copy |
| 11:20.49 | jim | njan: what's the best os to play video games on? windows. new games require new video cards, and new drivers. I -like- video games. I'm tired of buying new video cards to support current games only to find that I then have to spend money on win xp or similar. |
| 11:20.50 | stuartSan | topic site is down, wanted to read the document on soundcards, any idea how i'd install a creative vibra 128 soundcard? |
| 11:20.52 | nomad_cz | pureone: Why not ? ;) |
| 11:21.04 | njan | jim, I'm not the defender of all things windows |
| 11:21.05 | jim | njan: summary: I'm sick of video games. |
| 11:21.06 | njan | jim, I agree with you |
| 11:21.14 | man_in_shack | njan, mandrake is not designed for servers |
| 11:21.26 | pureone | chkrootkit doesnt find packet sniffers snort doesnt pick up bad stuff it just feels insecure |
| 11:21.28 | njan | jim, but people in here have silly misconceptions about windows which are just as unrealistic as the misconceptions plenty of IT Managers have about linux, and they deserve to be neutralised. |
| 11:21.42 | nnk | stuartSan: try the homepage of alsa project |
| 11:21.49 | njan | http://www.mandrakesoft.com/business/corporate-server |
| 11:21.56 | jim | njan: were any of those conceptions silly or missed? :) |
| 11:22.03 | njan | man_in_shack, mandrake market a server distro of mandrake.. ergo it's designed for server :p |
| 11:22.10 | njan | jim, touche :p |
| 11:22.11 | hexxeh | i work in a linux dominated field. |
| 11:22.22 | man_in_shack | njan, i lost interest in mandrake before they did that |
| 11:22.26 | green_earz | njan: the point of gnu/linux is that its free and open not the same as microsoft |
| 11:22.37 | man_in_shack | njan, i don't think mandrake's server would be any good |
| 11:22.39 | yebian | njan: Next I'm sure you'd have us believe that the Total Cost of Ownership is lower when using Windows 2003 as opposed to various distributions of Linux. |
| 11:22.50 | njan | green_earz, don't make stupid points without reading the argument. I run linux, and I advocate free software. |
| 11:22.55 | man_in_shack | green_earz, windows is free too. it's just not open or legal ;) |
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| 11:23.16 | hexxeh | stealing windows is no more moral than violating the GPL |
| 11:23.20 | jim | well one thing about mandrake, is it -iis- linux, and so you can rebuild kernel and build whatever you want, jsut like in any dist |
| 11:23.29 | njan | yebian, not at all. Again, as I've pointed out, I'm running linux now, I advocate free software. But both because I work in IT and because I like to know my enemy, I understand microsoft technology - which is not the case with plenty of linux advocates. |
| 11:23.33 | man_in_shack | njan, you also advocate the operating system of a company that is against free and open software in all its forms |
| 11:23.36 | nomad_cz | pureone: I am very happy with Woody. Of course nobody and nothing is perfect but Debian is as close to perfection as u can get (at least for me) ;) |
| 11:23.38 | njan | man_in_shack, no, I don't |
| 11:23.38 | stuartSan | so if 'lo' in ifconfig is bugging me, is there a way to just remove it.. because other users won't be able to do 'ifconfig lo down' without root then |
| 11:23.42 | njan | man_in_shack, I've *never* advocated using windows |
| 11:23.55 | man_in_shack | njan, then get out and think about what you've said |
| 11:23.58 | njan | man_in_shack, again, you're not reading what I'm saying, you're reading what *you* want me to be saying because *you* want to have the same argument that linux users have been having for years. |
| 11:24.04 | jim | who was the ms partner in here? |
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| 11:24.17 | yebian | njan: How do know Im not an MCP. |
| 11:24.19 | green_earz | njan: its not a stupid point its the mean point. its a word called free that you may need to take some time to learn |
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| 11:24.20 | njan | jim, jetscreamer afaik |
| 11:24.23 | hexxeh | i'm an ms beta tester & certified preinstallation expert! |
| 11:24.28 | njan | yebian, how do you know I'm not? |
| 11:24.32 | pat5star | has anyone ran into that "please append correct root..." message with a kernel panic and found the source of the problem. I'm really at my wits end, I've been at this for 3 days and don't even care what kernel I use anymore so long as I get it running again |
| 11:24.39 | renegad3 | whats the best way to backup mysql databases? |
| 11:24.42 | jetscreamer | me, but not a certified partner |
| 11:24.49 | jim | yebian: wehat's an mcp? |
| 11:24.51 | man_in_shack | njan, no, you're not taking notice of what i'm saying |
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| 11:25.01 | man_in_shack | njan, from experience, i've discovered that windows is buggy and poorly designed |
| 11:25.01 | yebian | jim: Microsoft certified professional. |
| 11:25.04 | njan | green_earz, go google me, find my livejournal profile, or the sites that I run, and then tell me that I don't know what free means. |
| 11:25.05 | PerfDave | I'm a Master Control Program! I'll get you, Tron! |
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| 11:25.23 | Phated | PerfDave: Go back to bed. You're obviously delirious. :) |
| 11:25.29 | yebian | njan: 70-293 |
| 11:25.31 | hexxeh | PerfDave, ever played Tron 2.0? |
| 11:25.34 | jim | microsoft certified professional what? |
| 11:25.36 | PerfDave | hexxeh: Nope |
| 11:25.44 | hexxeh | PerfDave, it has neon frisbees ;) |
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| 11:25.54 | njan | man_in_shack, and i've said that you don't understand how it works in a server environment or what the needs of businesses are - and until you understand both of those things, you're not in a position to advocate linux in the corporate marketplace - which may be fine, if that's not what you want to do or do for a living. But it is what I do. |
| 11:26.04 | jim | ugh, now your stomach will glow |
| 11:26.06 | stuartSan | hexxeh: it seems the lo problem is caused by me running a dns server like bind.. how would i remove it? |
| 11:26.23 | illumina1e | hi all. i have a minor problem, "eject" does not work. although the dvd drive works perfectly in all other ways. i only get the message: eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 11:26.24 | njan | man_in_shack, I have never, ever, at any point, ever said that windows was good, or that I recommended it, or that it was any kind of panacea. At all. Even vaguely. |
| 11:26.37 | njan | man_in_shack, what I *have* said is that you need to know it properly in order to be able to criticise it. |
| 11:26.48 | njan | oh well. So much for that argument :) |
| 11:27.01 | hexxeh | stuartSan, apt-get remove --purge bind bind9? |
| 11:27.02 | njan | yebian, good for you. 2k or 2k3? |
| 11:27.06 | jim | illumina1e make sure nothing is keeping the cd busy; unmount the cd |
| 11:27.17 | yebian | njan: njan=darkelogium? |
| 11:27.24 | njan | yebian, that's me. |
| 11:27.31 | stuartSan | sec lemme try |
| 11:27.37 | njan | yebian, I'll even sign in for you if you want :p |
| 11:27.37 | illuminate | jim: sure. that's not the reason. it also doesn't work with no cd in it |
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| 11:28.11 | KillerRho | how can one copy an ext2 FS to a new hdd but different size? just to transfer the files and make it bootable |
| 11:28.14 | PerfDave | hexxeh: Does it run on Linux? :) |
| 11:28.23 | jim | illuminate: has eject ever worked on that drive? also, can you open the drive with the button on the front? |
| 11:28.30 | Zvpun | KillerRho: man cp look for -a flag |
| 11:28.34 | yebian | njan: Class A address? |
| 11:28.44 | KillerRho | Zvpun thanks, looking at it now |
| 11:28.58 | hexxeh | PerfDave, not last i tried, though i'm told it works with old (3xxx) nvidia drivers. and cedega, obviously |
| 11:29.07 | njan | yebian, come again? |
| 11:29.18 | illuminate | jim: yes the button works. eject didnt work till now. it's a new system, i only installed debian sarge so far |
| 11:29.23 | stuartSan | actually when i install debian i don't even need DNS Server packages right? if i just want a home desktop |
| 11:29.25 | yebian | njan: You have a static class A address? |
| 11:29.38 | hexxeh | stuartSan, obviously |
| 11:29.40 | jim | KillerRho: create the fs, format it, mount it somewhere (like /mnt), |
| 11:29.45 | Zvpun | KillerRho: dont forget to check /etc/fstab and rerun lilo |
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| 11:30.00 | PerfDave | hexxeh: Fuck cedega, fuck it up its stupid arse. |
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| 11:30.10 | pureone | :O |
| 11:30.11 | jim | cd to just inside the partition you want copied, |
| 11:30.16 | jim | then run: |
| 11:30.23 | bodq | hello |
| 11:30.25 | njan | yebian, most people do.. |
| 11:30.35 | yebian | njan: not a class A address. |
| 11:30.44 | jim | tar cfpl - . | (cd /mnt; tar fxp -) |
| 11:30.48 | pureone | i dont have a class A address |
| 11:30.50 | bodq | I want to extract all image data (jpeg actually) from a large blob. how can I? |
| 11:30.51 | yebian | njan: not without big coin or long time. |
| 11:31.00 | KillerRho | jim thanks, looking into it as well |
| 11:31.03 | njan | yebian, the first octet of most peoples IP never changes.. |
| 11:31.08 | stuartSan | hexxeh: is it normal that since the time you told me to type apt-get remove --purge bind bind9 until now.. its still Stopping domain name service: named |
| 11:31.13 | stuartSan | its like hanged or something |
| 11:31.22 | njan | yebian, assuming they're dynamically leased from a DSL/Dial-up/Cable ISP.. |
| 11:31.32 | yebian | njan: Im referring to black sun. That belongs to you right? |
| 11:31.50 | njan | yebian, it doesn't really belong to anyone; I did sort of found it :p |
| 11:32.04 | hexxeh | stuartSan, that would be the dns daemon |
| 11:32.37 | Zvpun | bodq: man wget |
| 11:32.39 | hexxeh | PerfDave, sounds painful |
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| 11:33.08 | yebian | njan: and its a class A address. Which I believe were given to large universities and companies back when the Internet was young |
| 11:33.12 | bodq | Zvpun: wget? i'm not on a net :) |
| 11:33.36 | Zvpun | bodq: sry, what is a blob then? I am confused now :-) |
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| 11:33.43 | jim | bodq: yes you are... how are you here? :) |
| 11:33.49 | bodq | Zvpun: i mean I have large file, /dev/hda for example, and I want to get all jpeg images on the fs, ignoring fragmentation :) |
| 11:34.01 | pureone | alot of old routers would use class a address |
| 11:34.09 | bodq | jim: ever heard of Bluetooth wireless brain implants? :) |
| 11:34.14 | pureone | newer ones use class c now adays |
| 11:34.33 | jim | you have a wireless brain ?! |
| 11:34.55 | yebian | pureone: the 10 and 100 networks are not IPs which are sold. |
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| 11:35.14 | KillerRho | jim thanks, another interesting way to try do this |
| 11:35.19 | stuartSan | how could i look at the X-output in a console to see why x is slow in logging out |
| 11:35.19 | KillerRho | thanks again all |
| 11:35.20 | bodq | jim: no, just a small device that allows you to connect your brain to irc without computer |
| 11:35.33 | pureone | no there not i know that |
| 11:35.43 | bodq | jim: you need a serivice provider in the area, as well |
| 11:35.50 | pureone | just stating it though |
| 11:36.14 | yebian | me too |
| 11:36.21 | yebian | that guy |
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| 11:36.23 | hexxeh | !start a badger war |
| 11:36.23 | dpkg | mushrooms suck compared to mushrooms |
| 11:36.27 | hexxeh | O_o |
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| 11:36.37 | njan | yebian, I'm still having a hard time figuring out exactly what your point is :p |
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| 11:36.59 | yebian | njan: how the hell did you get hold of a class A address. |
| 11:37.19 | gilles | How to find the symbol "check" looking like a V, i can't find it in the unicode tab |
| 11:38.10 | njan | yebian, the unicast IP the website's run off is 80.something, right? That seems to be the range virtually every dedicated server provider is handing out address space from nowadays.. |
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| 11:38.49 | yebian | njan: so that is not YOUR computer hosting www.bsrf.org.uk |
| 11:39.12 | njan | yebian, no, that would be silly. |
| 11:39.26 | yebian | njan: why? |
| 11:39.38 | njan | yebian, because my machine is a laptop on an ADSL connection. |
| 11:39.52 | pureone | nice site :) |
| 11:39.57 | yebian | ok |
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| 11:40.35 | yebian | njan: are you a member of W3C? |
| 11:40.48 | yebian | the world wide web consorium |
| 11:41.05 | nagual | wc3 |
| 11:41.30 | nagual | theres no1, then theres no2, but the real scarer is when your kid says it just made no3 |
| 11:41.42 | njan | yebian, nope. |
| 11:41.52 | ShaolinTiger | teh black sun |
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| 11:42.06 | PerfDave | Nothing wrong with hosting websites on an ADSL connection :) |
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| 11:42.34 | ShaolinTiger | depends who's your ISP.. |
| 11:42.39 | yebian | nagual: wc3 is the walnut creek church of christ |
| 11:42.46 | pureone | the tutorials for unix sockets is not in english :( |
| 11:42.55 | ShaolinTiger | wc3 - warcraft III |
| 11:43.12 | nagual | ShaolinTiger: are you sure it doesnt depend on the connection itself? |
| 11:43.37 | ShaolinTiger | nagual surely the connection is dictated by the ISP, i couldnt host shit on this ADSL, but I could fine back in UK |
| 11:44.16 | nagual | aha, i thought most ips´s had several different connections you chould choose from, but i undersatnd, you are from the uk ;-) |
| 11:44.32 | yebian | I think DSL sucks in the United States for some reason. It does in the western US. |
| 11:44.48 | ShaolinTiger | aint nothing compared to malaysia, if it rains it goes to sub-dialup speed |
| 11:44.52 | ShaolinTiger | and indonesia is worse |
| 11:45.01 | yebian | thats dreadful |
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| 11:45.31 | ShaolinTiger | i was in indonesia teaching earlier this week, it was like being on 9600 again |
| 11:45.36 | ShaolinTiger | web pages loaded letter by letter.. |
| 11:45.39 | nagual | i think i have the option of upgrading to 12/5 mbit, but im not sure wether im gonna live in this apartment that long, 8/.768 is pretty ok |
| 11:45.41 | renegad3 | whats the best way to backup mysql? are there any scripts or could you just tar the files in /var/lib/mysql ? |
| 11:45.42 | helix | ShaolinTiger: you're not in the UK anymore? |
| 11:45.46 | ShaolinTiger | nah |
| 11:45.55 | PerfDave | DSL in the UK is normally 512k downstream, 256k upstream. Cable is normally 1M downstream, 128k upstream. |
| 11:45.57 | jm_ | renegad3: read mysql docs |
| 11:45.58 | stuartSan | aw man linuks.mine.nu is still down, anyone have any idea or documents about installing creative vibra128 soundcard on debian? |
| 11:46.01 | helix | word to asian fetishization! |
| 11:46.06 | renegad3 | jm_, ta |
| 11:46.06 | ShaolinTiger | got rice? |
| 11:46.07 | ShaolinTiger | :D |
| 11:46.12 | yebian | renegad3: tar |
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| 11:46.23 | jm_ | stuartSan: install the kernel, load the modules |
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| 11:46.34 | nagual | PerfDave: yea, uk is in the middleages. i have some mates though that have started getting 4mbit etc. |
| 11:46.34 | ShaolinTiger | i used to have plus.net adsl, it r0x0red me |
| 11:46.49 | renegad3 | yebian, thats all I need to do is tar them up? |
| 11:46.59 | ShaolinTiger | nagual nah UK is advanced ok, latency there was average 60ms, if it went above 100ms I complained.. |
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| 11:47.03 | ShaolinTiger | here average is 350ms |
| 11:47.06 | PerfDave | nagual: The 4Mb options are only available in central London and are hugely unstable. |
| 11:47.07 | ShaolinTiger | if it goes below 300 i'm happy |
| 11:47.09 | yebian | renegad3: thats all I do. |
| 11:47.11 | stuartSan | i still don't get what install the kernel means.. isn't kernel like the 2.6 thing etc. |
| 11:47.18 | man_in_shack | who here uses xorg on debian? |
| 11:47.20 | renegad3 | ok kewl |
| 11:47.23 | hexxeh | helix, asian fetishization? is that related to locking singaporean scholgirls in a cage under your bed? |
| 11:47.30 | yebian | renegad3; BUT my life doesnt depend on it. |
| 11:47.30 | ShaolinTiger | hexxeh |
| 11:47.35 | ShaolinTiger | no singaporeans |
| 11:47.36 | ShaolinTiger | heh |
| 11:47.36 | helix | hexxeh: no, it's what lots of caucasian males do in general |
| 11:47.43 | yebian | renegad3: It does work |
| 11:47.44 | renegad3 | thats re-assuring |
| 11:47.49 | renegad3 | ;) |
| 11:47.49 | PerfDave | ShaolinTiger: What's wrong with Singaporean schoolgirls, eh? :) |
| 11:47.53 | nagual | ShaolinTiger: i compare to sweden. i think sweden is the most advanced country when it comes to private internetconnections in the world right now, so maybe thats not a fair comparison. i have below 5 ms to the 3-4 closest unis/large ftps. (not only in .se but in scandinavia overall) |
| 11:47.57 | jm_ | renegad3: don't do that, read the manual |
| 11:48.09 | hexxeh | nagual, south korea |
| 11:48.13 | ShaolinTiger | nagual yeah not a fair comparison, although i think korea is ahead |
| 11:48.21 | ShaolinTiger | they have stupid connections |
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| 11:48.26 | nagual | hexxeh: baffle me with facts. |
| 11:48.28 | PerfDave | The trouble with ISPs in general is that they're moving away from the peer-to-peer paradigm to the client-server model by introducing capping and minimising upstreams. |
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| 11:48.57 | PerfDave | Ideally we'd be able to use our ADSL lines to host content we generate, but people don't like the thought of us doing that for free. |
| 11:48.57 | loren | wow, this channel, is uhm, inhabited lol |
| 11:49.16 | ShaolinTiger | PerfDave yeah, takes revenue from legitimate *ahem* businesses |
| 11:49.18 | PerfDave | hexxeh: On your knees, bitch. |
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| 11:49.22 | yebian | renegad3: mysqldump |
| 11:49.25 | ShaolinTiger | but i used to host on plus.net, static ip :) |
| 11:49.40 | yebian | renegad3: photocopy script |
| 11:49.43 | renegad3 | thanks ;) |
| 11:50.06 | thenuke | PerfDave: :O where is upstreams capped? |
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| 11:50.27 | ShaolinTiger | thenuke: at the DSLAM for ADSL i think, same as the downstream bandwidth control |
| 11:50.31 | thenuke | PerfDave: 1meg up is max for adsl in here |
| 11:50.53 | PerfDave | thenuke: It's very hard to get faster than 256k upstream on ADSL in the UK. |
| 11:51.01 | thenuke | generally 512k is the upstream and for a bit higher prices you get that 1M |
| 11:51.10 | thenuke | PerfDave: that sucks big time :( |
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| 11:51.15 | ShaolinTiger | malaysia standard upstream is 128k |
| 11:51.18 | ShaolinTiger | be happy |
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| 11:51.23 | thenuke | ShaolinTiger: =) |
| 11:51.28 | loren | ima go to bed soon, but before i go, which Debian-Based Distribution do you guys reccomend for pretty much people that know nothing about linux ;) |
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| 11:51.33 | PerfDave | loren: Debian |
| 11:51.37 | ShaolinTiger | lol |
| 11:51.47 | markl_ | has anyone here tried to get WOW to work with the standard debian wine |
| 11:51.48 | loren | yeah, but it's not user friendly is it? |
| 11:51.52 | ShaolinTiger | linspire? |
| 11:51.53 | PerfDave | loren: Isn't it? |
| 11:51.56 | helix | loren: ubuntu |
| 11:52.06 | nagual | markl_: cedega maybe? |
| 11:52.20 | PerfDave | loren: Debian Just Fucking Works 99% of the time. The support infrastructure is second to none, as is the QA. If you want something easy to use, I wouldn't suggest anything else. |
| 11:52.44 | loren | ah |
| 11:52.51 | ShaolinTiger | PerfDave: that's a strange definition of easy to use, easy to maintain perhaps, but not easy to use, IMHO anyway |
| 11:53.04 | sambal | does anyone know the release date for sarge? |
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| 11:53.16 | PerfDave | ShaolinTiger: Consistency == easy to use. Not having to fuck around to get stuff working == easy to use. |
| 11:53.17 | ShaolinTiger | heh sambal belacan |
| 11:53.32 | sambal | belacan? |
| 11:53.37 | yebian | sambal: what? |
| 11:53.42 | loren | Helix: Ubuntu is good, i actually love it, however, even though it's great for providing low overhead isn't KDE more userfriendly to someone that knows pretty much nothing about linux and just wants to use their computer |
| 11:53.43 | hexxeh | getting world of warcraft working in wine involves a LOT of patching, editing, and compiling |
| 11:53.48 | ShaolinTiger | PerfDave: put in the CD, click 2 buttons, everything works tm = easy to use |
| 11:53.54 | helix | loren: I doubt it |
| 11:53.58 | helix | but I really don't know |
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| 11:54.45 | PerfDave | loren: I'd say so. Hell, I got put off using Linux several times because of the crappy WMs until I found KDE. |
| 11:55.12 | PerfDave | loren: We rolled out Linux desktops for entirely non-technical staff at work using KDE, and they've had no problems at all with it. |
| 11:55.19 | ShaolinTiger | lindows or whatever its called now is probably most user friendly, but it also sucks, default account is root |
| 11:55.27 | PerfDave | ShaolinTiger: I don't think there's a distro which fits that description. |
| 11:56.00 | loren | you're right ST, Lindows does suck, i have tried it though, and dislike how they try to continually pull money out of your pocket, since the machine's not for me |
| 11:56.11 | ShaolinTiger | libarnet, mepis, xandros |
| 11:56.29 | ShaolinTiger | xandros was pretty good last time i tried it |
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| 11:56.33 | ShaolinTiger | that was some time ago though |
| 11:56.36 | loren | PerfDave: i know what you mean, KDE works great i think, has lots of features, but is high overhead, and simple, but only 3.3 and up i think |
| 11:56.42 | PerfDave | I think stuff not breaking, and stuff being easy to fix if it does break is important for Linux newcomers. The worst thing that can happen with any OS or distro is your system being unusable because of some bug you can't fix. |
| 11:56.59 | PerfDave | loren: I've been using KDE since potato and loved every minute :) |
| 11:57.25 | yebian | potato lol |
| 11:57.26 | nagual | loren: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3518 |
| 11:57.27 | loren | ST: I actually have Xandros Installed, it's good, but i wish it looked more professional, i guess there's something wronge with each one, MEPIS was horrible the last time i tried the live cd, i had high expecatations, and ima check out Libarnet |
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| 11:57.33 | loren | PD: nice |
| 11:57.35 | yebian | that guy goes way back |
| 11:57.36 | ShaolinTiger | libranet |
| 11:57.47 | yebian | thats awesome |
| 11:57.53 | stuartSan | is linux with a windows enviroment supposed to take 1.5GB at install |
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| 11:58.02 | yebian | no |
| 11:58.13 | nagual | 'windows environment'? |
| 11:58.16 | stuartSan | i think my debian is being very bogged down, is there a document recommending what i should get for a very lean package system |
| 11:58.21 | stuartSan | nagual: sry i mean deskto |
| 11:58.22 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Depends what you've installed. What do you mean by a "windows environment"? |
| 11:58.22 | yebian | nagual: a gui. |
| 11:58.28 | loren | Btw, i found XDPE.com a couple days ago, anyone know if it's a skin or a Desktop Environment? |
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| 11:58.29 | stuartSan | desktop enviroment* |
| 11:58.39 | nagual | the one that looks like xp? |
| 11:58.42 | loren | yeah |
| 11:58.44 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Bogged down how? In terms of the disk space it's using? Or is it sluggish? |
| 11:58.51 | stuartSan | PerfDave: both |
| 11:58.52 | nagual | why the FUCK would you want that? |
| 11:58.57 | hexxeh | loren, it's a desktop environment written in borland kylix (visual pascal) |
| 11:58.57 | loren | haha |
| 11:59.09 | stuartSan | was thinking of reinstalling, but not sure which packages to choose for a very lean yet has support for drivers etc. |
| 11:59.15 | PerfDave | stuartSan: You can use deborphan / debfoster to try and prune unwanted packages to free up disk space. |
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| 11:59.35 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Look at what services and processes you have running, try removing ones you don't need to speed up your system. |
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| 11:59.41 | ShaolinTiger | libranet isn't the ebst for noobs |
| 11:59.51 | loren | Hex and Nagual, thanks, I guess that rules out using it, and i'd want it because my primary concern is for someone that knows nothing about linux lol, i myself dislike it, but other people would know how to use it |
| 11:59.52 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Also, you might try configuring your WM to use fewer resources. |
| 11:59.57 | yebian | stuartSan: drivers are in the kernel or modules for the kernel. I make monolithic kernels, and not the debian way. |
| 12:00.04 | stuartSan | PerfDave: i'd rather reinstall and choose a little packages, compared to pruning tons of packages |
| 12:00.06 | nagual | loren: kde should be enough. |
| 12:00.10 | markl_ | nagual what is cedega |
| 12:00.10 | loren | yeah |
| 12:00.15 | loren | 0_O |
| 12:00.16 | stuartSan | i did a 'noob' install if you must know.. like ticking mostly all and just installing |
| 12:00.19 | nagual | markl_: 12:59 -!- zamolxes_ [~zamolxes@83.166.220.142] has joined #debian aakkonen |
| 12:00.22 | nagual | ops |
| 12:00.23 | nagual | sorry |
| 12:00.28 | nagual | markl_: http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/screenshots/single.mhtml?screenshot_id=601 |
| 12:00.28 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Well, use deborphan and debfoster to find out what you've installed and don't need, and don't install them when you reinstall ;) |
| 12:00.32 | hexxeh | markl_, commercial WINE fork designed to play directx games |
| 12:00.36 | yebian | stuartSan: What disk are you installing from? |
| 12:00.41 | stuartSan | yebian: 1,2,3 |
| 12:00.52 | yebian | stuartSan: sarge woody sid which? |
| 12:00.56 | stuartSan | basically i just want Xwin, able to go online, thats all |
| 12:00.57 | stuartSan | sarge. |
| 12:01.07 | stuartSan | the other packages like nvidia, sound drivers, i'll install myself |
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| 12:01.25 | loren | i'm curious, more questions lol, is there a graphical APT-Get? or is that included in the packaging system? |
| 12:01.30 | stuartSan | but noooo.. my current installation has everything from games to graphics |
| 12:01.32 | ShaolinTiger | yeah there is |
| 12:01.38 | loren | what's it called? |
| 12:01.41 | hexxeh | loren, there's synaptic and gnome-apt available |
| 12:01.45 | ShaolinTiger | synaptic |
| 12:01.46 | yebian | stuartSan: from sarge I only install the base install from the disk and then use that sources list and apt get everything I need as I see that I need it. |
| 12:01.48 | loren | thanks |
| 12:01.49 | PerfDave | loren: synaptic, kpackage, others |
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| 12:02.11 | yebian | stuartSan: only the first disk do I use then its all apt-get from there. |
| 12:02.16 | green_earz | loren: for a lighter install of kde > kde-core, |
| 12:02.21 | hexxeh | stuartSan, personally i just install a basic sarge install, then pick the other packages by hand - i.e. apt-get install x-wind0w-system xfce4 mozilla-firefox, etc |
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| 12:02.31 | stuartSan | yebian: but i wanna install xwin from cd cos i think its kinda big. |
| 12:02.33 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Don't forget to use module-assistant, not the installer from nVidia's site ;) |
| 12:02.38 | stuartSan | just xwin.. thats all. |
| 12:02.44 | nagual | ye, xfce4 is nice |
| 12:02.47 | loren | Green_Earz: KDE-COre? |
| 12:02.50 | PerfDave | x-wind0w-system-l33t |
| 12:02.50 | yebian | stuartSan: Its usually faster than installing WindowsXP from a disk that way. |
| 12:02.52 | nagual | hexxeh: how much ram does it use now? |
| 12:02.53 | hexxeh | stuartSan, xfree86 _IS_ big, though |
| 12:03.01 | Putiikki | Is there any program what checks and tells when netpages changes? |
| 12:03.13 | stuartSan | thats why i don't want to net-inst the X lol |
| 12:03.30 | hexxeh | nagual, can't say i pay attention. i'm using 133mb ram on this machine, with several apps open |
| 12:03.32 | stuartSan | which apt-package should i get for X, i'm gonna reinstall base o/s + x only |
| 12:03.39 | hexxeh | x-window-system |
| 12:03.45 | yebian | stuartSan: how much down actual do you have |
| 12:03.48 | stuartSan | and gdm/kdm too right? |
| 12:04.00 | PerfDave | Putiikki: If there isn't, it should be trivial to install one. |
| 12:04.07 | stuartSan | not sure whats down, but if you mean download speed, 50kb max :( |
| 12:04.08 | hexxeh | x-window-system has xdm, which is a nasty 1980s throwback login manager |
| 12:04.11 | PerfDave | stuartSan: xdm is smaller, but less featureful |
| 12:04.17 | ShaolinTiger | Putiikki: you can do that with wget |
| 12:04.28 | yebian | stuartSan: gdm/kdm/xdm I apt-get remove after install. |
| 12:04.34 | hexxeh | the time has come for lunchings \o/ |
| 12:04.43 | stuartSan | no gdm/kdm/xdm? |
| 12:04.45 | Putiikki | ShaolinTiger: wget and script? |
| 12:04.49 | yebian | stuartSan: startx |
| 12:04.54 | nagual | oh cool, putty just hung on me twice, for the first time ever |
| 12:05.23 | stuartSan | okay so basically i'm going to reinstall, but only apt 1 package from the whole thing. x-window-system |
| 12:05.26 | yebian | stuartSan: that way when X crashes I can just ctrl+alt+backspace and kill it. |
| 12:05.32 | ShaolinTiger | Putiikki: yah |
| 12:05.40 | Putiikki | okay |
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| 12:06.00 | stuartSan | yebian: so if i get you right, you don't have any *dm installed? |
| 12:06.01 | yebian | stuartSan: apt will bring everything dependent on that package with it. |
| 12:06.11 | yebian | stuartSan: nope |
| 12:06.22 | yebian | stuartSan: but I have a windowmanager. |
| 12:06.25 | hexxeh | stuartSan, x-window-system depends on xdm |
| 12:06.27 | stuartSan | neat, i'm looking for that kind of simplicity |
| 12:06.32 | hexxeh | stuartSan, x-window-system-core doesn't |
| 12:06.35 | yebian | hexxeh: no it doesnt. |
| 12:06.41 | stuartSan | .. |
| 12:06.43 | stuartSan | *confused |
| 12:06.47 | hexxeh | !rdepends xdm |
| 12:06.58 | yebian | see |
| 12:07.09 | jm_ | it does |
| 12:07.18 | hexxeh | Reverse Depends: xbase-clients x-window-system |
| 12:07.21 | stuartSan | *more confused |
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| 12:07.32 | yebian | my systems havent bitched about not having it. |
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| 12:08.05 | yebian | as soon as the disk is done and it reboots I apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 12:08.16 | loren | So you guys think i should install *Just Debian*, is it better to do that than install Debian-Based Distros, and is it better to install Woody or uhm, Sarge |
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| 12:08.21 | stuartSan | wrong button |
| 12:08.25 | hexxeh | oh, hrm, loren never woody. |
| 12:08.29 | hexxeh | bah |
| 12:08.32 | yebian | loren: sarge |
| 12:08.36 | loren | thanks |
| 12:08.41 | hexxeh | !d-i Lord-Cereburus |
| 12:08.42 | dpkg | Lord-Cereburus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:08.44 | hexxeh | bah |
| 12:08.46 | BleSS | how can i know if a script has ben called from /etc/init/ or from command line. it could be knowing the init level? |
| 12:08.47 | hexxeh | !d-i loren |
| 12:08.47 | dpkg | loren, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:09.06 | stuartSan | i don't want all the extra crap like games and all that.. so i just get x-window-system in apt, and it gets everything its dependant on, and i'm pretty much set? |
| 12:09.29 | yebian | yes |
| 12:09.44 | stuartSan | also i was hoping that somehow i'd install it without it including 'lo' in ifconfig everytime i startup |
| 12:09.44 | hexxeh | stuartSan, x-window-system contains the x server, xdm, the twm window manager, and a few other apps such as xcalc |
| 12:09.50 | yebian | minus sound and your Nvidia driver and whatever other programs you want to use. |
| 12:10.25 | hexxeh | stuartSan, can i make a suggestion? on the boot prompt on the install cd, type 'linux26' |
| 12:10.33 | stuartSan | hexxeh: thats what i'm running on now |
| 12:10.38 | yebian | hexxeh: nice thinking |
| 12:10.47 | hexxeh | LUNCH >_< |
| 12:10.47 | stuartSan | don't worry i'm a noob but not THAT ignorant lol |
| 12:10.58 | stuartSan | okay time to grab the bull by the horns, see you guys here in 30 mins |
| 12:11.08 | loren | k |
| 12:11.08 | yebian | k |
| 12:11.39 | loren | what version of KDE does Debian currently use? |
| 12:11.56 | yebian | loren: it depends. |
| 12:11.57 | jm_ | that would largely depend on Debian release in question |
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| 12:12.09 | ElectricElf | (Oops) |
| 12:12.11 | loren | ah, lol |
| 12:12.51 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 12:12.53 | green_earz | loren: sarge 3.3 kde |
| 12:12.57 | elephantman | How can i install a new locale ? |
| 12:12.58 | loren | thanks |
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| 12:13.05 | loren | GE: i was searching myself |
| 12:13.12 | yebian | what apt command will tell you what packages are installed? |
| 12:13.15 | nnk | elephantman: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:13.22 | loren | i'm glad it uses KDE 3.3 because it has the System Folder in KDE |
| 12:13.24 | loren | thanks |
| 12:13.27 | elephantman | nnk: thanks a lot |
| 12:13.29 | nnk | yebian: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 12:14.10 | yebian | nnk: can I run dpkg --get-selection >> instpkgs ? |
| 12:14.12 | pat5star | My /dev directory does not have any (h|s)+da[0-9]+ files in it. I booted up using knoppix and mounted my debian partition, which currently won't boot on it's own, and this is what I see. Shouldn't they be in there, or do they get created during boot up? |
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| 12:14.40 | drac | yebian: or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l for more detailed information :) |
| 12:14.43 | elephantman | Is this locale the right one for french users : fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 |
| 12:15.15 | elephantman | Or is it this one : fr_FR ISO-8859-1 |
| 12:15.30 | drac | elephantman: @euro thingie is correct. |
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| 12:16.07 | pat5star | also, looking at /etc/fstab, it shows that it will mount these partition, but they don't exist in /dev. I'm wondering if this is the source of my problem but if they do get generated during boot up, then I guess it wouldn't be |
| 12:16.08 | elephantman | drac: ok thanx |
| 12:17.27 | golya | Hi! I want to reach packages at http://people.debian.org/~jordens/debs/ how can I tell it in the /etc/apt/sources.list file? (no dists directory) |
| 12:17.58 | PerfDave | golya: If it's not a proper Debian repository, then you can't use it in sources.list |
| 12:19.12 | drac | golya: could be, deb http://people.debian.org/~jordens/debs/ ./ |
| 12:19.16 | golya | PerfDave: It has Packages.gz, but I haven't verified it at all |
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| 12:20.06 | golya | drac: no luck :( |
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| 12:20.27 | pureone | !dpkg say cheese |
| 12:20.27 | dpkg | cheese |
| 12:20.35 | yebian | Holy shit! this lady on the discovery channel lifed a 22 ton stone with a kite. |
| 12:21.01 | fhl | ÓĐÖĐąúČËÂ𣿠|
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| 12:22.11 | thenuke | yebian: how bit kite? |
| 12:22.12 | raghu | hi all can any on ping to this address 206.225.87.155 |
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| 12:22.37 | sep | raghu: nope |
| 12:22.46 | raghu | sep: yhx |
| 12:22.48 | yebian | news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0628_caltechobelisk.html |
| 12:22.50 | raghu | sep: thx |
| 12:23.08 | ShaolinTiger | raghu timed out |
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| 12:23.14 | pureone | same here |
| 12:23.16 | loren | oh man, KDE 3.4 is out nice |
| 12:23.35 | loren | haha, made the headlines today |
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| 12:23.42 | sep | raghu: 22 Aplus-gw.Level3.net (209.245.56.130) 207.291 ms 179.736 ms 164.611 ms - last trace i can see |
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| 12:25.02 | thenuke | yebian: oh. they did not lift any stones, and not any 22-ton stones :) |
| 12:25.24 | thenuke | 3132.6 kg and they used kite to fix that stones position to vertical |
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| 12:26.17 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 12:27.25 | yebian | no they did a bigger one on the show. They did another one in 2003 |
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| 12:29.03 | giorgian | hi, i've installed xfce but it doesn't appear among gdm sessions. what should i check? |
| 12:29.05 | yoo | i have a big error message in /var/log/syslog and my computer crashes after X is launched |
| 12:29.15 | yoo | somebody can help me ? |
| 12:29.18 | hexxeh | yoo, what graphics card? |
| 12:29.28 | yoo | i'm running on 2.6.10 |
| 12:29.36 | yoo | nvidia |
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| 12:29.49 | yoo | but i'm not sure is that |
| 12:30.02 | nnk | "and my computer crashes after X is launched" |
| 12:30.04 | yoo | i post my message on #flood |
| 12:30.10 | yoo | yes |
| 12:30.16 | yoo | but look |
| 12:30.20 | nnk | what do you mean by "crashes"? |
| 12:30.51 | yoo | ican do anything ! |
| 12:31.25 | yoo | i must reboot my PC |
| 12:31.35 | yebian | Ok it was 11 tons obelisk.caltech.edu/home.html |
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| 12:31.59 | hexxeh | giorgian, how did you install it? |
| 12:31.59 | yebian | Thats freakin insane. |
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| 12:32.08 | hexxeh | giorgian, and xfce4, or 3? |
| 12:32.52 | giorgian | hexxeh: apt-get install xfce (3.8.18-2) |
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| 12:33.18 | hexxeh | giorgian, i doubt it'll appear in gdm, then. xfce3 hasn't been maintained by the xfce people for years. you could file a bug. |
| 12:33.19 | giorgian | hexxeh: should i install xfce4, instead? |
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| 12:33.37 | hexxeh | giorgian, you're meant to use xfce_setup, which writes a ~/.xsession, i think |
| 12:33.41 | hexxeh | but xfce3 is, well, ass |
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| 12:34.05 | giorgian | ok, installing xfce4 |
| 12:34.14 | llama32 | what's a tool i can use for removing every instance of some word in a file? |
| 12:34.26 | pusling | argf... apt sucks. xfree86-common is needed to install php4-gd |
| 12:34.57 | loren | then get it |
| 12:34.58 | loren | ;) |
| 12:35.16 | hexxeh | llama32, sed |
| 12:35.16 | giorgian | llama32: what about sed 's/word//g' filename ? |
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| 12:35.37 | pusling | loren: yeah - but it is a www server |
| 12:35.39 | llama32 | thanks giogian & hexxeh |
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| 12:36.11 | bender-RW- | assuming logrotate is installed, are all files in /var/log rotated by logrotate even without being configured in /etc/logrotate.[d|conf]? |
| 12:36.41 | bender-RW- | and if so, what are the defaults (apart from the ones in the configuration)? |
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| 12:37.42 | hexxeh | pusling, gd being an image processing library? why invent the wheel rather than use existing image rendering methods? |
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| 12:43.43 | renegad3 | when will ipv4 become obsolete (approximate year)? |
| 12:43.47 | hexxeh | 2003 |
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| 12:44.27 | renegad3 | i was expecting a remark like that... |
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| 12:44.51 | mejo | hi |
| 12:44.57 | mejo | i've installed rxvt-unicode on my debian/unstable system, and i used it as terminal emulator up to now. |
| 12:44.57 | renegad3 | to rephrase, when will it stop being used? |
| 12:45.06 | mejo | now i removed my bashrc, and thus my urxvt alias, and i don't know any longer how to tune urxvt into the nice-looking term it was before. |
| 12:45.17 | bodq | renegad3: 2020 |
| 12:45.17 | mejo | first, i used transpararent background, but urxvt still had a border around the term. |
| 12:45.27 | mejo | if i run 'urxvt -ip -tr' now, it becomes transparent, but has no border. |
| 12:45.35 | mejo | second, i noticed that urxvt in debian is compiled without compile frills, what disables -b -w -bl and all these options. |
| 12:45.37 | renegad3 | serioulsy? |
| 12:45.38 | bodq | renegad3: if ever |
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| 12:45.50 | mejo | as already mentioned, before i removed my bachrc, i had a nice transparent urxvt term that _had_ a border, so it has to be possible somehow at least. |
| 12:46.02 | bodq | renegad3: do you mean woldwide backbones? |
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| 12:46.34 | renegad3 | bodq, the addressing scheme in general |
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| 12:47.09 | bodq | renegad3: i think it will gradually fade out of existance |
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| 12:48.07 | yebian | Lifting of 11 tons with a kite obelisk.caltech.edu/home.html |
| 12:48.17 | psyklops | does the kernel-source package come with the same config that was used by the compiled kernel package? |
| 12:48.31 | yoo | i want to find lasted version of driver nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx (6629) |
| 12:48.35 | yoo | how can i do |
| 12:48.36 | TLW2k | where is the mysql.so located when i install mysql-server4 ? |
| 12:48.37 | thenuke | yebian: ... 6,900-pound (3132.6 kg) |
| 12:48.53 | yoo | for unstable |
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| 12:49.22 | yoo | i want downgrading but i do a apt-get clean :( |
| 12:49.32 | solarce | Simple question, I have a server which will be used for public hosting, it currently is tracking testing, if I continue to track testing (including security updates) can I track testing and be able to get security updates to the kernel without having to reboot the server? |
| 12:50.02 | TLW2k | Can someone help me with cacti and debian here ? |
| 12:51.30 | Syph0n | Are the guys here that where on CeBIT on sunday? |
| 12:51.32 | SlayerXP | TLW2k: no idea, you haven't stated the problem clearly and concisely. |
| 12:51.33 | eye69 | -g 24 |
| 12:52.01 | TLW2k | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/cacti-0.8.6c/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 339 |
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| 12:52.27 | Syph0n | ... of the Debian booth obviously |
| 12:52.40 | SlayerXP | TLW2k: so not a debian problem, therefore not something we can help with |
| 12:52.42 | Denn | Can anyone help me with oidentd and psybnc? got a huge problem, cant solve it. Had been trying the last 9 hours |
| 12:52.59 | SlayerXP | TLW2k: try #cacti |
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| 12:53.43 | Denn | I had installed psybnc with the oidentd support, and installed oidentd using apt-get, and set the oidentd.conf.. but still i get ~ |
| 12:53.53 | TLW2k | SlayerXP: does it mean that i need to put mysql.so in php.ini ? |
| 12:54.25 | SlayerXP | TLW2k: no idea |
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| 12:55.36 | remco | has any one of you have a sarge/fluxbox/gdesklets setup running? |
| 12:55.37 | yebian | stuartSan: did you copy that sources.list to /etc/apt/sources? |
| 12:55.53 | pureone | tlw2k look at this http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Web_Languages/PHP/PHP_Databases/Q_20345181.html |
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| 12:57.17 | renegad3 | when tarring files, do you loose permissions? |
| 12:58.40 | kaner | not when using -p |
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| 13:00.31 | shaym | hello |
| 13:00.39 | loren | hey |
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| 13:00.58 | shaym | this morning , someone tells me to do md5sum to comparing the files |
| 13:01.04 | shaym | i had ftp problems |
| 13:01.21 | TLW2k | pureone: thx, my phpinfo says that mysql is enabled. But my php.ini does not contain extension=mysql.so |
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| 13:02.03 | shaym | the debian md5sum returns : 6e977ce33e210f9a66d4ce5288267ec3 |
| 13:02.05 | Ethiainen | hello all |
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| 13:02.14 | rraphink | hi there |
| 13:02.18 | shaym | the freebsd md5 returns : 2f3e68c970ba62cef89fdc123a366b7d |
| 13:02.29 | rraphink | I'm trying to get a thomson usb adsl modem work on sarge |
| 13:02.34 | pureone | ok maybe add that then (though i dont know i have never got that problem before) |
| 13:02.37 | yebian | msg stuartSan then you'll be root under your user to do maintenance stuff. |
| 13:02.41 | shaym | can i suppose that the 2 files are differents ? |
| 13:02.57 | kaner | i guess so, shaym |
| 13:03.16 | kaner | have you got bsd and debian there to doublecheck |
| 13:03.16 | kaner | ? |
| 13:03.21 | rraphink | i installed the speedtouch package with apt-get |
| 13:03.21 | shaym | is there another ftp client than lftp ? |
| 13:03.22 | pureone | shaym are you comparing 2 differnt files? or using 2 differnt md5 programs |
| 13:03.27 | kaner | shaym: lots |
| 13:03.32 | rraphink | installed the microcode |
| 13:03.33 | shaym | pureone: 2 md5 programs |
| 13:03.34 | kaner | shaym: ftp, gftp, etc |
| 13:03.34 | rraphink | but it won't work |
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| 13:03.40 | pureone | ok |
| 13:03.44 | Ethiainen | im kinda new to *nix world, and i would like to try debian. But im a bit confused on wich to go (stable/testing/unstable) could any point some advise or reading please? |
| 13:03.58 | kaner | Ethiainen: workstation or server? |
| 13:04.09 | Ethiainen | kaner: workstation day to day work |
| 13:04.15 | rraphink | anyone got a thomson usb adsl modem working on sarge pls? |
| 13:04.17 | shaym | pureone: can the 2 programs generate differents md5 sum ? |
| 13:04.18 | yebian | sarge |
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| 13:04.21 | shaym | for the same file ? |
| 13:04.22 | kaner | Ethiainen: u propably want sarge/testing |
| 13:04.24 | loren | KDE deffinatly |
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| 13:04.25 | stuartSan | alright i'm back, thanks yebian |
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| 13:04.39 | yebian | stuartSan: no problem |
| 13:04.49 | loren | if you use a live cd you can check out Klax, with KDE 3.4 released today |
| 13:04.53 | pureone | no they shouldnt shaym |
| 13:04.54 | stuartSan | no idea what to do now though, my desktop looks VERY primitive now lol |
| 13:05.00 | Ethiainen | thank you |
| 13:05.01 | pureone | thats the whole point of checking the md5 sum |
| 13:05.33 | rraphink | loren: Klax with KDE 3.4rc1 was already released quite a long time ago |
| 13:05.33 | kaner | shaym: cant you doublecheck with a local bsd? |
| 13:05.45 | kaner | shaym: i would be interested :) |
| 13:05.56 | rraphink | anyone got a speedtouch modem working on sarge? |
| 13:05.56 | shaym | so, i retry ftp transfer with an aonther ftp client |
| 13:05.58 | pureone | but im confused as to why 2 differnt programs would create 2 differnt md5sums for the same file |
| 13:06.31 | Ethiainen | gonna grab it and try to install :) see you later on (hopefully) my new debian workstaion heheh |
| 13:06.45 | loren | bedtime |
| 13:06.46 | loren | cya all |
| 13:06.53 | green_earz | Ethiainen: here a link for the sarge net installer 110 meg boot cd. the rest of the install is over the net >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050314/ > sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:06.53 | rraphink | cya loren |
| 13:07.00 | pureone | ethianen if you have boardband you should try the netinstall |
| 13:07.05 | kaner | pureone: depends. if the algorithm to build md5sums is the same, the sum MUST be the same. but i dont know wheter or not the algorithm has to be the same... |
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| 13:07.27 | Ethiainen | green_earz: thanks |
| 13:07.31 | green_earz | np |
| 13:07.43 | Ethiainen | pureone: gonna try that, heard wonders about new installer |
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| 13:08.07 | rraphink | I'm trying to have a thomson speedtouch usb adsl modem working on sarge. I installed the speedtouch package and the thomson microcode, run the adsl-config script provided and tried modem-run -m -f /usr/share/doc/speedtouch/mgm... then pppd call adsl |
| 13:08.09 | rraphink | but it won't work |
| 13:08.14 | rraphink | anyone has got this working? |
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| 13:08.53 | green_earz | Ethiainen: when the net installer boots type linux26 and will install the 2.6 kernel from the begining |
| 13:08.54 | pureone | mmmm root |
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| 13:09.40 | Ethiainen | green_earz: nice, grabing a post-it hehehe |
| 13:09.54 | stuartSan | rraphink, i have adsl but i connect using pon dsl-provider |
| 13:10.03 | stuartSan | rraphink, thats after i configured using pppoeconf |
| 13:10.07 | rraphink | stuartSan: what do you mean? |
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| 13:10.16 | rraphink | stuartSan: it's a usb modem unfortunately |
| 13:10.19 | rraphink | not an ethernet one |
| 13:10.22 | rraphink | so I can't use pppoe |
| 13:10.25 | stuartSan | aw dang.. can't help you then sorry |
| 13:10.26 | rraphink | that would be too easy |
| 13:11.17 | rraphink | anyone installed a usb adsl modem? |
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| 13:12.59 | pureone | rraphink i get my router to connect to my isp its much easyer that way |
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| 13:13.12 | rraphink | pureone: you don't get the pb : I have a usb modem here |
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| 13:13.17 | rraphink | and no router |
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| 13:13.59 | SUSU | hi how can i reset time for server? |
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| 13:14.33 | kaner | reset? |
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| 13:15.13 | kaner | date 010100001970 |
| 13:15.15 | shmendrik | hello there |
| 13:15.17 | kaner | <g> |
| 13:15.20 | SUSU | yes the time is not correct |
| 13:15.24 | SUSU | i want to change it |
| 13:15.28 | kaner | you mean _adjust_ |
| 13:15.31 | SUSU | yes |
| 13:15.37 | kaner | date |
| 13:15.39 | kaner | or |
| 13:15.43 | kaner | install ntp |
| 13:15.44 | PerfDave | SUSU: ntpdate and ntp are the best methods. |
| 13:15.49 | kaner | (which i prefer) |
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| 13:15.59 | SUSU | run command ntp ? |
| 13:16.01 | kaner | apt-get install ntp-simple ntpdate |
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| 13:16.26 | kaner | grap some servers, put them into /etc/ntpd-conf and start the deamon |
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| 13:16.41 | kaner | sorry, its /etc/ntpd.conf |
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| 13:17.11 | PerfDave | ntp is the Network Time Protocol, it will automatically sync your server clock against various atomic clocks on the Internet |
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| 13:17.36 | eye69 | I saw something a while back about a Linux solution for rolling out Windows machines. Anybody know what I'm talking about? |
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| 13:18.22 | PerfDave | eye69: How do you mean? |
| 13:18.44 | PerfDave | eye69: You can use partimage and bootable Linux CDs / floppies to handle imaging Windows desktops over a network. |
| 13:18.44 | eye69 | PerfDave: Kickstarting windows |
| 13:18.55 | PerfDave | Kickstarting? |
| 13:19.08 | eye69 | I don't want imaging. I want automatic installing over the network. |
| 13:19.19 | eye69 | Imaging is unflexible. |
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| 13:19.34 | PerfDave | eye69: Then I'm afraid I have no idea. |
| 13:19.43 | PerfDave | eye69: You can automatically install Debian over the network, you know. |
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| 13:20.18 | pureone | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:20.18 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 13:20.23 | eye69 | PerfDave: I know. I need to find the toolkit I saw. It was for installing Windows over the network using a Linux toolkit. |
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| 13:20.37 | PerfDave | eye69: Just run Debian on your desktops ;) |
| 13:20.48 | eye69 | Not my call. |
| 13:21.09 | PerfDave | eye69: Use a Windows-esque KDE look and don't tell anybody :) |
| 13:21.32 | eye69 | PerfDave: They're not my machines, damnit. |
| 13:21.43 | PerfDave | eye69: Then why are you installing Windows on them? ;) |
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| 13:22.07 | eye69 | PerfDave: Ever heard of "consulting"? |
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| 13:22.34 | SUSU | PerfDave can you tell me clealy how to use ntp ?? |
| 13:22.36 | PerfDave | eye69: I was under the obviously mistaken impression that consultants knew what they were doing ;) |
| 13:22.41 | PerfDave | SUSU: Install it, read the documentation. |
| 13:23.01 | c|one | I have a Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATA controller (for my HD) is there suport for that controller in debian??? if nott what do I have to do to install Debian? |
| 13:23.26 | eye69 | PerfDave: The client needs Windows workstations to carry out Windows coursework. |
| 13:23.40 | hexxeh | c|one, works perfectly on Sarge, with 2.6 kernel |
| 13:23.48 | PerfDave | eye69: *shrug* Not my problem. They should get a consultant who knows how to rolls out Windows machines :) |
| 13:23.53 | eye69 | If the client pays me to install Windows, I'll install Windows. |
| 13:23.53 | hexxeh | c|one, i.e. get d-i, boot with the linux26 parameter |
| 13:24.03 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 13:24.03 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 13:24.06 | miyo | clone: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 13:24.11 | c|one | hexxeh: thnx |
| 13:24.15 | PerfDave | !thnx |
| 13:24.16 | dpkg | any time, perfdave |
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| 13:25.43 | miyo | !sata |
| 13:25.43 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.") |
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| 13:26.03 | yebian | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 13:26.19 | stuartSan | wrong window lol |
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| 13:26.43 | stuartSan | hi grey |
| 13:26.59 | greycat | hello |
| 13:27.36 | Insom | is there anyone who can tell me if radhat can be installed from a external usb-cdrom on a machine that does not have a boot from usb device option in the bios? |
| 13:27.37 | hexxeh | !sata is also use a 2.6 kernel for less pain |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | hexxeh: okay |
| 13:27.49 | Insom | is there anyone who can tell me if DEBIAN can be installed from a external usb-cdrom on a machine that does not have a boot from usb device option in the bios? |
| 13:28.12 | hexxeh | with floppies, or peboot, yes |
| 13:28.15 | hexxeh | *pxe |
| 13:28.31 | pipeline | PXE is fun. |
| 13:28.47 | pureone | how can i reconfig my monitor settings? |
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| 13:28.50 | Insom | are the imges to make such floppeis on the cd? |
| 13:28.55 | PerfDave | Insom: Read the Installation Manual :) |
| 13:29.43 | Insom | whats the latest distro? |
| 13:29.55 | stuartSan | Insom, sarge, i guess |
| 13:30.26 | Putiikki | pureone: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:30.28 | PerfDave | Insom: Woody is the latest released distro. Sarge is soon to be released, but has no security updates currently. |
| 13:30.41 | Insom | tnx dave |
| 13:30.53 | pureone | thank you putiikki |
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| 13:32.16 | man_in_shack | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks all the questions for making a new XF86Config but doesn't actually make one |
| 13:32.36 | hexxeh | !tell man_in_shack about x md5sum |
| 13:33.09 | pipeline | man_in_shack: dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:33.30 | pipeline | man_in_shack: Wipes your config file and replaces it with one generated from debconf |
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| 13:34.28 | man_in_shack | pipeline, thanks |
| 13:34.59 | pengol_ | hi there I have erroneously modified a partition of a running machine ... can i restore it with some values? |
| 13:35.04 | pengol_ | maybe in proc? |
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| 13:35.14 | eye69 | PerfDave: http://unattended.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:35.14 | mdr | where do i fin GRUB configuration |
| 13:35.35 | PerfDave | eye69: I'm not bothered, I don't use Windows :) |
| 13:35.51 | greycat | mdr: /boot/grub |
| 13:35.55 | PerfDave | eye69: I'm glad you found what you wanted though. |
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| 13:36.09 | takatumi | <poll>how are you all?</poll> |
| 13:36.12 | eye69 | PerfDave: So am I. It took some furious Googling. |
| 13:36.43 | takatumi | mdr: 'info grub' for more info. |
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| 13:37.06 | pureone | hmm my monitor is still screwy |
| 13:37.15 | takatumi | pureone: kick it. |
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| 13:37.38 | pengol_ | can I do it with numbers in /proc/partitions? |
| 13:37.41 | takatumi | !wb caphuso |
| 13:37.44 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! caphuso has returned! |
| 13:37.48 | Putiikki | pureone: scroll a bit up and look what pipeline said |
| 13:37.58 | pureone | i was just reading it |
| 13:38.03 | Putiikki | okay :) |
| 13:38.05 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 13:38.16 | takatumi | pengol_: ENOPARSE |
| 13:38.22 | man_in_shack | the new XF86Config is only letting me in 640x480 mode |
| 13:38.26 | pengol_ | takatumi: ? |
| 13:38.31 | pureone | hehe |
| 13:38.45 | pureone | man_in_shack thats exactly whats happening with me |
| 13:39.05 | takatumi | why? |
| 13:39.14 | pureone | dont really know |
| 13:39.20 | pureone | wont give me any other option |
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| 13:39.47 | takatumi | tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 right? |
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| 13:39.57 | Putiikki | did you use "simple" monitor settings? |
| 13:39.57 | pureone | yip never did anything |
| 13:40.07 | pureone | yes i did simple monitor settings |
| 13:40.21 | Putiikki | try that "medium" (or what it was) |
| 13:40.23 | takatumi | pureone: did it add the changes to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 13:40.32 | pengol_ | takatumi: what did you mean? |
| 13:40.45 | pureone | i would of though dpkg-recofigure did that |
| 13:40.50 | pureone | thought* |
| 13:41.14 | takatumi | pengol_: didn't get what you typed. (maybe its just me.) |
| 13:41.28 | takatumi | pureone: check to be sure. |
| 13:41.44 | pengol_ | nope sorry I wrote that wrong |
| 13:41.58 | pengol_ | I have modified the partition table of a running machine ... can i restore it with some proc values? |
| 13:42.15 | pengol_ | is it clear now? |
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| 13:43.01 | pengol_ | gotta reboot ... I'll reconnect |
| 13:43.06 | kneet | stock sarge kernel - how to disable ipv6? |
| 13:43.22 | bodq | i think he won't reconnect :( |
| 13:43.34 | bodq | kneet: do not insmod inv6 |
| 13:43.39 | bodq | *ipv6 |
| 13:43.51 | kneet | Aha |
| 13:43.57 | mdr | Grub: the installer added a unnecessary boot menu because it found Windows on the 2nd hd. I want to remove this as this is not meant to be booted. |
| 13:44.01 | takatumi | you shouldn't insmod anything, use modconf or modprobe |
| 13:44.18 | mdr | So I just take the entry out of menu.lst? |
| 13:44.21 | bodq | mdr: yes |
| 13:44.34 | kneet | The ipv6 is loaded -but not manually by me - it's a pretty vanilla sarge this one |
| 13:44.35 | bodq | mdr: also check that you'd get correct default |
| 13:44.58 | mdr | i don't understand "correct default" |
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| 13:45.03 | mdr | i'm a newbie :) |
| 13:45.04 | takatumi | mdr: you can disable it from appearing as a menu item instead of completely removing it from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:45.26 | stuartSan | wb |
| 13:45.44 | stuartSan | lynx |
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| 13:45.46 | bodq | kneet: /etc/modules |
| 13:45.46 | stuartSan | whoops |
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| 13:45.58 | man_in_shack | pipeline, takatumi, selecting "medium" in the monitor config fixed it |
| 13:46.10 | takatumi | pureone: ^^ |
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| 13:46.32 | kneet | bodq, found it - at least - a line about removing a comment from the protocols you don't want. Am trying now |
| 13:47.11 | mdr | 2nd question -- I'd like more time to choose the OS (I'm still dual booting) before I automatically boot to Linux. How do i make this happen? |
| 13:47.23 | TheTom | is there something special about the /mnt/ directory? |
| 13:47.28 | jm_ | mdr: it's in the same file |
| 13:47.34 | bodq | mdr: timeout option in menu.lst |
| 13:47.47 | Putiikki | yep, "simple" monitor config is crap |
| 13:47.53 | pureone | i tryed 1028x860 @60ghz hopyfully it will work |
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| 13:48.13 | takatumi | you sure its 60ghz? |
| 13:48.15 | bodq | kneet: I hope you're not removing it from /etc/protocols :)) you should not. |
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| 13:48.24 | pureone | one way to find out |
| 13:48.27 | jm_ | I'd love such monitor ;) |
| 13:48.40 | Putiikki | 60ghz? :P |
| 13:48.43 | pureone | ever had a monitor blow up? |
| 13:48.49 | xk | pureone: yes. |
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| 13:49.01 | pureone | hmmm |
| 13:49.05 | xk | nice pop sound |
| 13:49.13 | pureone | i blow up a computer a few weeks ago |
| 13:49.18 | pureone | not a monitor yet |
| 13:49.18 | xk | hehe |
| 13:49.40 | takatumi | ~who wrote you? |
| 13:49.41 | apt | xk did. |
| 13:49.45 | pureone | powersupply went nuts as i was plugin it back in |
| 13:49.56 | xk | who should I contact to bitch about powernow kernel driver eventually failing (ie: does not want to downclock any more)? |
| 13:50.01 | pureone | lots of pops and sparks and a bit of smoke |
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| 13:50.31 | takatumi | xk: when it says wrote me, what exactly does that imply? |
| 13:50.42 | asg | takatumi: that xk wrote the blootbot code |
| 13:50.51 | kneet | OK - uncommented this line: "alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6" in /etc/modules.conf - rebooted - dmesg has "NET: Registered protocol family 10" and the IPv6 module is loaded - where else should I be looking? |
| 13:50.58 | xk | takatumi: it means I am the person who used to maintain and modify the code |
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| 13:51.04 | takatumi | xk: you're da man! |
| 13:51.17 | takatumi | asg: howdy pardner? |
| 13:51.31 | asg | takatumi: hiya |
| 13:51.47 | takatumi | kneet: why /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 13:52.08 | pureone | hmmm its still stuck at 640x469 :( |
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| 13:52.35 | kneet | Good question |
| 13:52.40 | kneet | Old habit? |
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| 13:52.55 | xk | hrm... |
| 13:53.01 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.30 | takatumi | xk: checked lkml? |
| 13:53.30 | kneet | Or - 'cos that's where I found the line commented out :) |
| 13:53.30 | xk | should I email that person? or the previous maintainers who are/were not employed by amd. |
| 13:53.37 | xk | takatumi: I did find one google reference... and the patch is included in the kernel... but it still happens. |
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| 13:54.47 | xk | bah, I'll just email the amd guy and cc the previous maintainer. |
| 13:54.51 | takatumi | xk: if so, I would say shoot the mail. |
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| 13:55.14 | xk | takatumi: It's annoying that it won't downclock any more :( it did eventually fix itself... but not any more |
| 13:55.21 | bodq | kneet: please state what exactly you did |
| 13:55.48 | kneet | Opened /etc/modules.conf - found the line that read:# Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded: |
| 13:55.56 | kneet | scrolled down to ipv6 - uncommented uit |
| 13:55.58 | kneet | then restarted |
| 13:56.28 | jm_ | kneet: modules.conf is for 2.4 kernel only |
| 13:56.42 | kneet | 'k - so - where's the correct place/syntax for 2.6? |
| 13:56.50 | bodq | kneet: a) listen to jm, b) it's autogenerated on debian either |
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| 13:57.01 | jm_ | kneet: tried man modprobe? |
| 13:57.15 | jm_ | kneet: should be somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 13:57.26 | kneet | jm_, reading now |
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| 13:58.30 | Krisso | how can i put up a dhcp server on my debian system that offers a ip adress to everyone who connectes to the network? |
| 13:58.42 | jm_ | Krisso: by installing and configuring it |
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| 13:59.04 | Krisso | jm_, first step. name of the app? |
| 13:59.13 | jm_ | Krisso: apt-cache search dhcp server |
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| 13:59.58 | indomiti | im trying to format a floppy, with "fdformat /dev/fd0h1440" and then i get the error message "/dev/fd0h1440: No such device or address" .. |
| 14:00.24 | jm_ | use /dev/fd0 |
| 14:00.25 | kneet | It appears in modprobe.d/aliases - which has a line saying you don't need to change that file - do I understand correctly that I can override this in modprobe.conf? |
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| 14:00.42 | greycat | indomiti: uh. |
| 14:00.49 | jm_ | kneet: wait, did you say modprobe.conf or modules.conf? |
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| 14:01.15 | xk | bah. just as I write the email, it fixed itself |
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| 14:01.34 | xk | after failing for several hours previously, heh. |
| 14:01.38 | kneet | Originally I said modules. You then pointed me at modprobe - since this is 2.6 - so now I'm wondering about modprobe.conf (from the modprobe manpage) |
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| 14:01.51 | abrotman | maybe we should make the topic say |
| 14:01.53 | abrotman | grrr |
| 14:01.58 | jm_ | yes, modprobe.conf is OK for module-init-tools |
| 14:02.04 | abrotman | s/gnome 2.10/gnome 2.10,kde3.4/ |
| 14:02.04 | greycat | /topic #debian grrr |
| 14:02.06 | kneet | Since in modprobe.d/aliases it has alias net-pf-10 ipv6 |
| 14:02.20 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 14:02.30 | *** topic/#Debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 14:02.33 | kneet | Question was - does modprobe.conf override modprobe.d/* ? |
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| 14:03.38 | bodq | is it wise to burn Sarge ISOs right now, or should definitely I wait until release? |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 14:03.48 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 14:03.51 | kaner | bodq: burn |
| 14:03.54 | PerfDave | bodq: What do you want to burn Sarge ISOs for? |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | bodq: you mean all 15 or whatever? |
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| 14:04.16 | kaner | bodq: i mean burn netinstall if you got approriate connection |
| 14:04.16 | bodq | PerfDave: that dude asked me to burn the coolest linux all around :) |
| 14:04.27 | kaner | omg |
| 14:04.28 | bodq | abrotman: yes |
| 14:04.43 | kaner | fridgy linux is the coolest |
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| 14:04.50 | abrotman | bodq: if you use RWs .. i'd say ok .. but otherwise .. just get them the 110MB netinst |
| 14:04.53 | bodq | kaner: nope, he doesn't have the b/w |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 14:05.04 | abrotman | well .. then i guess get him the 15 |
| 14:05.05 | xk | bootable grub CD is cool |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | or the DVDs |
| 14:05.17 | kaner | bodq: does he want server or desktop system? |
| 14:05.23 | bodq | kaner: desktop |
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| 14:06.03 | kaner | bodq: get him sarge |
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| 14:06.12 | abrotman | well duh .. obviously sarge |
| 14:06.20 | bodq | the question is, would sarge underso any significant changes until release or is it safe to get it right now? |
| 14:06.25 | bodq | *undergo |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | bodq: you need to make sure that he will run his upgrades fairly regularly .. so he doesn't get whacked with one big one |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | bodq: no way to know .. |
| 14:06.50 | kaner | bodq: nobody knows that |
| 14:07.02 | kaner | bodq: it is good enough fo rhim to play around i guess |
| 14:07.02 | xk | what's required to have rpc.lockd run on 2.6.x? I can't use apt-get with a cache/archives/ nfs mounted setup. |
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| 14:07.04 | bodq | abrotman: i guess it would not be possible, for i do not hope to see him ever after |
| 14:07.07 | abrotman | !tell yoyo_bot about away |
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| 14:07.37 | xk | bodq: pretty much most of the packages will be stale in a month's time. |
| 14:07.39 | abrotman | bodq: just tell him .. do this `apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade` once a week at least .. and make sure his sources are pointing at sarge .. not testing |
| 14:07.51 | xk | bodq: either minor debian updates... or minor version updates. |
| 14:08.21 | bodq | abrotman: the problem is that he doesn't have internet, or at least his internet is very very poor |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | bodq: define very very poor |
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| 14:08.48 | bodq | abrotman: 33600 modem |
| 14:08.57 | abrotman | that's not bad .. i ran slink on a 14.4 :) |
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| 14:09.06 | kaner | bodq: just grab him the isos and burn them (if he pays your cds) ;) |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | course .. the real bitch will be the Packages.gz |
| 14:09.42 | abrotman | i really wish they would have fixed that before sarge's release |
| 14:09.43 | Petaris | Can someone tell me if it is possible to run 32bit linux on an amd64, and if so which arch I should choose? |
| 14:09.52 | abrotman | Petaris: it is .. i386 will run |
| 14:09.54 | PerfDave | Petaris: Yes, just install i386 linux on it. |
| 14:09.56 | Phated | i386. |
| 14:09.58 | bodq | abrotman: yeah. why isn't there rsync:// method for accessing mirrors? or is there? |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | !tell yoyo_bot about away |
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| 14:10.09 | abrotman | bodq: not with 33.6 modems |
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| 14:10.27 | xk | Petaris: I have 32bit linux running on amd64 right now... there's nothing you need to do... just install the i386 version |
| 14:10.28 | Petaris | abrotman, PerfDave, Thanks |
| 14:10.39 | Petaris | xk, ok thanks |
| 14:10.40 | bodq | abrotman: you mean it doesn't support resume? |
| 14:10.51 | bodq | ok, thanks for good advice |
| 14:10.52 | pengol | hi I have modified the partition table of a still running machine ... can I restore it in some way ? |
| 14:10.54 | xk | Petaris: as for 64 bit version... you need to get the unofficial netinst cd with pure 64bit stuff on it. |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | bodq: it does .. but you can't rsync the repository .. |
| 14:11.02 | abrotman | bodq: apt-get by default supports resume |
| 14:11.12 | Petaris | xk, 64bit seems too broken for now |
| 14:11.25 | Petaris | xk, for the apps I'm using anyway |
| 14:11.33 | xk | Petaris: yeah? |
| 14:11.33 | PerfDave | xk: Or you can install Sarge, use an -amd64-k8 kernel and set up a Debian-amd64 chroot therein, which is what I'm going to do |
| 14:11.38 | abrotman | Petaris: did you ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 14:11.39 | bodq | abrotman: what I was thinking that small changes in Packages are easily retrieved by rsync |
| 14:11.48 | SlayerXP | Petaris: works fine for me |
| 14:11.50 | abrotman | bodq: right .. i don't think they support that |
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| 14:11.57 | PerfDave | bodq: Not if they're gzipped, probably. |
| 14:12.12 | abrotman | bodq: you could rsync the whole repository .. but that would suck on a modem :) |
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| 14:12.16 | Petaris | I need OpenOffice and Evolution and etc to run |
| 14:12.17 | bodq | PerfDave: i think rsync supports compression by itself |
| 14:12.24 | arthur | Hi |
| 14:12.32 | PerfDave | bodq: Yes, but if the file you're trying to rsync is already compressed, that's not very useful. |
| 14:12.37 | Petaris | right now you have to run a 32bit emu to run those |
| 14:12.56 | bodq | PerfDave: you can try to retrieve Packages but not Packages.gz |
| 14:13.03 | bodq | PerfDave: aren't they identical? |
| 14:13.06 | pengol | can I use values in /proc/partitions |
| 14:13.06 | arthur | Somebody know how to upgrade PHP4 without caudium ? |
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| 14:13.16 | PerfDave | bodq: I wasn't aware that Packages existed. |
| 14:13.24 | abrotman | arthur: just do it .. then remove it |
| 14:13.29 | PerfDave | I'm not sure there's that much advantage to running Debian-amd64 over i386 Debian on most amd64 systems, we're only doing it because i386 can't address 8Gb RAM |
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| 14:13.42 | PerfDave | arthur: There is a way of doing it, IIRC you have to upgrade apache first. |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | arthur: i forget why it does that .. there is a way to fix it |
| 14:13.45 | xk | PerfDave: well... there is a 30% performance increase if you do video encoding. |
| 14:13.48 | bodq | PerfDave: at least that is the case on my mirror |
| 14:13.53 | abrotman | arthur: don't /msg me |
| 14:14.02 | PerfDave | xk: Compared to running i386 Debian with a k8-optimised kernel? |
| 14:14.05 | xk | PerfDave: what else... povray appears to be more precise. |
| 14:14.16 | xk | PerfDave: compared to running it in 32bit mode. |
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| 14:14.23 | PerfDave | xk: What "it"? |
| 14:14.27 | abrotman | arthur: i think PerfDave is right .. upgrade just apache or libapache2-mod-php4 or whatever you're using first .. then let it upgrade php4 |
| 14:14.29 | xk | the kernel ;) |
| 14:14.42 | xk | and userland. |
| 14:14.42 | arthur | I try to upgrade GD2 |
| 14:14.42 | PerfDave | xk: But you can run an amd64-k8 kernel in Sarge. |
| 14:14.47 | xk | yeah? |
| 14:15.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:15.18 | xk | yeah but good luck compiling 64bit stuff |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | duh |
| 14:15.28 | arthur | and it needs an upgrade of php |
| 14:15.49 | yoo | Please somebody can help me ! |
| 14:15.50 | abrotman | arthur: attempt to upgrade each piece first .. find the one that doesn't depend on caudium |
| 14:15.55 | arthur | and caudium come with the package |
| 14:15.56 | yoo | i'm running on debian sid and i have a problem with my X |
| 14:16.01 | abrotman | doesn't 'come with' |
| 14:16.05 | PerfDave | yoo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:16.05 | yoo | my X crashes within reasons |
| 14:16.10 | PerfDave | yoo: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 14:16.22 | arthur | ote, selecting php4-gd instead of php4-gd2 |
| 14:16.22 | arthur | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 14:16.23 | arthur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.38 | asg | arthur: just remove the caudium cruft afterwards |
| 14:16.41 | loadd77 | hello does someone of you guys knows a good downloadmanager for linux |
| 14:16.43 | loadd77 | ? |
| 14:16.44 | asg | arthur: it won't hurt anything |
| 14:16.50 | arthur | but it changes all my apache confs |
| 14:16.57 | arthur | and listen on port 80 |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | arthur: so listen to what i'm saying .. upgrade apache first .. then apache-common .. then apache2-utils .. go a step at a time .. and it does back up yoru conf files .. or it should |
| 14:17.03 | loadd77 | with pause an resume options? |
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| 14:17.05 | arthur | instead of apache |
| 14:17.09 | PerfDave | arthur: Upgrade apache first, then php4 |
| 14:17.11 | asg | arthur: it will prompt you for which port to listen on. And it shouldn't touch apache at all |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | arthur: i did it .. removed caudium without issue |
| 14:17.18 | arthur | ok I 'll do it |
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| 14:17.45 | yoo | PerfDave : what does you mean ? |
| 14:18.16 | travisat | I don't remember php4 installing caudium on my box |
| 14:18.16 | PerfDave | !tell yoo -about msgdpkg |
| 14:18.28 | arthur | Removing caudium-modules ... |
| 14:18.29 | arthur | dpkg - warning: while removing caudium-modules, directory `/usr/lib/caudium' not empty so not removed. |
| 14:18.29 | arthur | Stopping Caudium Webserver: caudium. |
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| 14:18.33 | asg | travisat: it's a bug (in apt apparently) for sarge php4-gd and php4-curl (maybe others.) |
| 14:18.35 | arthur | Nice I fucked up my apache |
| 14:18.50 | asg | arthur: /usr/lib/caudium has dick to do with /etc/apache or /usr/lib/apache |
| 14:18.52 | SkippedySkop | what's the port i would need to allow on a master pimary dns server, to allow the slave to slave the zones off of? |
| 14:18.57 | Kazeuri | What's a good command to count all the files in a directory? (not including directories as files, and possibly by limiting them to *.ext) |
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| 14:19.02 | PerfDave | SkippedySkop: 53/tcp I think. |
| 14:19.08 | travisat | I installed php4 in sarge....I'll have to check when I get home |
| 14:19.11 | SkippedySkop | thanks i'll give it a try |
| 14:19.12 | asg | Kazeuri: find + xargs + wc -l |
| 14:19.16 | xk | Kazeuri: find -name "*.ext" -type f | wc -l |
| 14:19.18 | PerfDave | Kazeuri: Find, wc -l |
| 14:19.23 | Kazeuri | Heh |
| 14:19.24 | xk | in a directory... use -maxdepth=1 |
| 14:19.26 | Kazeuri | #Debian is too helpful |
| 14:19.26 | asg | s/xargs// |
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| 14:19.42 | travisat | wait...I used sid php4, does that one install caudium |
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| 14:20.00 | helix | travisat: yes |
| 14:20.04 | asg | travisat: dunno. php4 isn't the problem, it's php4-gd, php4-curl, and maybe others |
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| 14:20.34 | yoo | PerfDave : ok |
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| 14:20.40 | travisat | ahhh. I don't believe I installed those. Damn wish my box was on so I could check it. |
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| 14:21.01 | Kazeuri | find -maxdepth=1 '*.php' -type f | wc -l <-- keeps returning 0 |
| 14:21.10 | mte_ | hello..i have configured network so i have 192.168.1.x ip address and i also ran pppoeconf to configure adsl. doing pon dsl-provider dials it and i get a ppp0 entry with 195.x.x.x ip but ping tells me that destination is unreachable. What's strange is that ping shows me some From:192.168.1.x instead of 195.x.x.x any idea? |
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| 14:21.22 | yoo | but my errors in syslog is afraid me |
| 14:21.30 | linuxfreck | Kazeuri: -name "*.php" |
| 14:21.32 | yoo | it's very difficult ! |
| 14:21.44 | Tr0||_DX | is it just me or all apt repository for debian suddenly stopped working |
| 14:21.44 | pengol | is there a partition recovery tool? |
| 14:21.55 | pengol | partition table |
| 14:21.57 | xk | pengol: gpart? |
| 14:21.59 | Tr0||_DX | i always get a error 111 being a refused connection |
| 14:22.10 | Kazeuri | system("find -name '*.php' | wc -l"); <-- returns 305... which is way too high |
| 14:22.15 | yoo | can i post on #flood ? |
| 14:22.19 | pengol | xk: thankz I'll check it out |
| 14:22.26 | travisat | Tr0||_DX: I doubt they all quit working, its probably a problem on your end |
| 14:22.35 | xk | Kazeuri: -maxdepth=1 |
| 14:22.40 | xk | Kazeuri: and -type f |
| 14:22.42 | AngTalunin | hello, what is the best linux distr for amd64 when i want a (quite) stable system, which will be supported for the next few years and is often updated? |
| 14:22.47 | bodq | yoo: are you from France? |
| 14:22.50 | Tr0||_DX | i guess , do you have a pointer at what it could be |
| 14:22.54 | yoo | yes |
| 14:22.56 | Kazeuri | As soon as I add maxdepth it starts returning 0 :/ |
| 14:22.59 | yoo | :) |
| 14:23.03 | Tr0||_DX | i doubt its firewall but i could be wrong |
| 14:23.05 | xk | Kazeuri: wlel, you said "in a directory" |
| 14:23.06 | yoo | a speak a little english |
| 14:23.11 | Tr0||_DX | apt is http port right |
| 14:23.14 | xk | what about all the sub directories? |
| 14:23.15 | Tr0||_DX | and ftp |
| 14:23.17 | xk | you want that aswell? |
| 14:23.21 | Kazeuri | find -name -maxdepth=1 -f '*.php' | wc -l |
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| 14:23.25 | Kazeuri | no, just in the directory I run it in |
| 14:23.31 | travisat | Tr0||_DX: it is probably a firewall. can you manually access the repos |
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| 14:23.34 | yoo | bodq : can you help me |
| 14:23.39 | xk | print the path before you run it... so you know where its' running. |
| 14:23.40 | mte_ | hello..i have configured network so i have 192.168.1.x ip address and i also ran pppoeconf to configure adsl. doing pon dsl-provider dials it and i get a ppp0 entry with 195.x.x.x ip but ping tells me that destination is unreachable. What's strange is that ping shows me some From:192.168.1.x instead of 195.x.x.x any idea? |
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| 14:23.44 | stew | Kazeuri: you need to put -name next to '*.php' |
| 14:23.48 | yoo | just look my errors on #flood |
| 14:24.00 | bodq | yoo: I though there were a french-speaking debian channel, but it seems there isn't |
| 14:24.04 | bodq | *thought |
| 14:24.10 | yoo | because it's very difficult |
| 14:24.11 | stew | !fr |
| 14:24.11 | qwertz | Hi! I'm looking for a program that shows access to my harddisk on my keyboard leds - anyone know such a tool? |
| 14:24.11 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 14:24.15 | Kazeuri | find -maxdepth=1 -f -name '*.php' | wc -l" <-- eh? |
| 14:24.21 | Tr0||_DX | no i cant |
| 14:24.24 | xk | Kazeuri: -type f |
| 14:24.25 | Kazeuri | Still gets 0 |
| 14:24.29 | stew | Kazeuri: you need a directory after find |
| 14:24.30 | Kazeuri | Haha |
| 14:24.30 | xk | Kazeuri: not -f |
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| 14:24.32 | Kazeuri | I was using -f |
| 14:24.34 | dmv | msg #debian rsh server-client wtime 30c client-server wtime 0c; ideas? |
| 14:24.39 | stew | Kazeuri: find . -maxdepth1... |
| 14:24.40 | xk | stew: you don't need a directory, like on *BSD |
| 14:24.41 | yoo | but here a lot of people strong :) |
| 14:25.00 | Tr0||_DX | yen a un sti c /debian-fr |
| 14:25.00 | takatumi | qwertz: if it ain't working out of the box, something is wrong. |
| 14:25.02 | thomas_adam | Kazeuri: RTFM: find /foo -madepth 1 -type f -name '*.php' | xargs wc -l |
| 14:25.14 | Krisso | guys i need help.. my xbox runs a ftp with static ip 192,168.0.2,, i fired up my eth0 with "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 up" and connected both with a cross cable.. i cant ping or connect to my xbox now. what did i do wrong? |
| 14:25.36 | petemc | Krisso: does dmesg say the link is up? |
| 14:25.37 | thomas_adam | Kazeuri: route |
| 14:25.45 | petemc | no need for a gateway |
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| 14:26.03 | indomiti | cant get to page http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:26.05 | Tr0||_DX | isnt a xbox only communicating through twelnet by default |
| 14:26.10 | petemc | no |
| 14:26.10 | Tr0||_DX | telnet* |
| 14:26.12 | yoo | i must leave now to repair my car |
| 14:26.16 | yoo | see you later ! |
| 14:26.23 | petemc | thomas_adam: what did you mean by route then? |
| 14:26.23 | Kazeuri | find . -madepth 1 -type f -name '*.php' | xargs wc -l <--- still gets 0 |
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| 14:26.30 | kneet | jm_, sorry - I'm not understanding this right. I either need to prevent the module from loading - or to remove it once loaded. I'm not sure which of these I'm trying to do |
| 14:26.33 | thomas_adam | Kazeuri: -maxdepth |
| 14:26.50 | poison | Hi all, I have a question: my new dual xeon 64bit machine arrived and I have to install debian on it. Do you have optimized binaries for intel 64bit processors? |
| 14:26.56 | Krisso | petemc, yeah.. what now? |
| 14:26.59 | Kazeuri | madepth |
| 14:27.10 | takatumi | kneet: have you tried modconf? |
| 14:27.16 | stew | xk: wow, can't believe i never knew that the directory was optional to find! |
| 14:27.17 | Tr0||_DX | haha god damnned firewall |
| 14:27.21 | Tr0||_DX | got it now |
| 14:27.21 | travisat | !ia64 |
| 14:27.21 | dpkg | [ia64] the new Intel Architeture which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II already. |
| 14:27.25 | petemc | Krisso: it should work, theres not much to it |
| 14:27.38 | Krisso | petemc, i did everything right? |
| 14:27.40 | poison | travisat: just download ia64 binaries? |
| 14:28.02 | petemc | Krisso: giving each device an address and netmask should be all thats required |
| 14:28.04 | jm_ | kneet: alias net-pf-10 off with 2.4, I suppose this also works for 2.6 |
| 14:28.14 | kneet | takatumi, not yet - just waiting for a restart |
| 14:28.17 | AngTalunin | hello, what is the best linux distr for amd64 when i want a (quite) stable system, which will be supported for the next few years and is often updated? |
| 14:28.19 | travisat | poison: yeah: http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 14:28.29 | kneet | jm_, just found on google " Apparently, the IPv6 code in the 2.6 kernel is also somewhat buggy. There were long delays in name resolution when using Firefox. In order to fix this, I had to disable IPv6 support in the /etc/modprobe.conf file by adding the line "alias ipv6 off" followed by another line, "alias net-pf-10 off". " |
| 14:28.35 | petemc | AngTalunin: what do you think people will say in #debian? |
| 14:28.36 | kneet | I had tried the first one |
| 14:28.42 | abrotman | apparently 2.6 is somewhat buggy :) |
| 14:28.57 | jm_ | kneet: yeah, I just said that ;) |
| 14:29.01 | kneet | Heh |
| 14:29.20 | kneet | With both - note - both aliases - it seems to have worked |
| 14:29.26 | takatumi | abrotman: everything works here, infact it all works better than 2.4, however I haven't fiddled with IPV6 |
| 14:29.31 | kneet | Thanks for your help guys |
| 14:29.39 | travisat | dpkg, ia64 =~ s#already#, see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/# |
| 14:29.39 | dpkg | OK, travisat |
| 14:29.53 | travisat | !ia64 |
| 14:29.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ia64 is the new Intel Architeture which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
| 14:30.11 | hexxeh | travisat, what does ia64 have to do with xeon em64t? |
| 14:30.21 | qwertz | takatumi, no my keyboard leds work without problems but I can't see the led of my hd so I'd like to map this to one of the three keyboard leds |
| 14:30.23 | travisat | aren't they the same? |
| 14:30.34 | xk | travisat: nah. ia64 is itanium. |
| 14:30.42 | hexxeh | travisat, erm... no. 64 bit xeon = amd64 clone |
| 14:30.44 | greycat | itanium = lame duck. |
| 14:30.56 | xk | em64t/amd64 are interchangeable. |
| 14:30.58 | takatumi | qwertz: didn't think that was possible in userspace. |
| 14:31.00 | AngTalunin | Petemc: hoping for debian ;-), but how are things with the nvidia drivers? Is that all fixt? |
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| 14:31.11 | petemc | AngTalunin: no idea |
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| 14:31.17 | travisat | poison: ignore me |
| 14:31.20 | vchrizz | hi |
| 14:31.20 | hexxeh | AngTalunin, if you install the right packages |
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| 14:31.27 | petemc | AngTalunin: if there was a problem, i wouldnt imagine its debian specific |
| 14:31.35 | poison | I'm confused: are there iso's I can download to install optimized binaries on my xeon 64 bit system? |
| 14:31.43 | greycat | poison: no. |
| 14:31.43 | hexxeh | !tell poison about amd64 |
| 14:31.51 | poison | it's xeon 64 |
| 14:32.04 | AngTalunin | hexxeh: the net install works fine for amd64? |
| 14:32.06 | travisat | poison: yes |
| 14:32.08 | hexxeh | it's a amd64 clone |
| 14:32.08 | greycat | poison: is it, or is it not, amd64 compatible? |
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| 14:32.16 | hexxeh | greycat, it is. |
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| 14:32.23 | greycat | if it's an amd64, use amd64 or i386. if it's not an amd64, use i386. |
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| 14:32.42 | vchrizz | uhm, when typing in any paths and after a slash i type 2x[tab] it shows me a file list ... how can i modify this listing? (eg instead of ls, using ls -l) |
| 14:32.48 | Nosf3ratu | xeon 64 is intel, right? |
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| 14:32.54 | Nosf3ratu | i think you still use the amd64 port. |
| 14:32.57 | poison | Nosf3ratu: indeed |
| 14:33.00 | Delph | vchrizz: lookat the bash_completion script in /etc, i think. |
| 14:33.05 | hexxeh | Nosf3ratu, xeon 64 is intel's clone of amd64 |
| 14:33.15 | jm_ | vchrizz: it's not ls |
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| 14:33.32 | srineer | hi imlooing for an apt repositories to get mplayer, http://marillat.free.fr/ seems to be offline |
| 14:33.39 | Kazeuri | cat *.php | wc -l <-- this doesn't actually return the correct number of lines found in all the php files in the directory |
| 14:33.43 | Nosf3ratu | poison, so what are you asking? |
| 14:33.44 | greycat | srineer: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:33.46 | hexxeh | !tell srineer about marillat |
| 14:33.46 | poison | so normally amd64 should run on my xeon64? |
| 14:33.48 | pengol | what does the + sign near the number of blocks stand for in fdisk? |
| 14:33.51 | Kazeuri | It's far lower, and only counts some files having 2 lines, when they have closer to 200 |
| 14:33.55 | Nosf3ratu | poison, yes...read the howto. |
| 14:34.00 | hexxeh | poison, this has been said about five times now. do i need to make it six? |
| 14:34.08 | Nosf3ratu | poison, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 14:34.15 | srineer | thanks |
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| 14:34.29 | travisat | pengol: block size is wrong, extended at the end, I think |
| 14:34.39 | Nosf3ratu | poison, also: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 14:34.41 | poison | thanks :) |
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| 14:34.57 | vchrizz | Delph: uhm, there are more users on this system, i want to set it for myself only ... |
| 14:35.15 | vchrizz | jm: well, i dont know, but it looks like the output from ls ;) |
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| 14:35.38 | mte_ | hi...pppd says it didn't set defaultroute to eth0 (i'm using pppoe) althought there is the defaultroute entry in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider |
| 14:35.56 | AngTalunin | Is debian on amd64 working well for dualboot? |
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| 14:36.08 | mte_ | what could be wrong? |
| 14:36.20 | hexxeh | AngTalunin, it's fine, it's just more work than ia32 debian at the moment |
| 14:36.27 | jm_ | pppd should set it on ppp0, not on eth0 |
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| 14:36.45 | Moiana | Greetings! |
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| 14:36.47 | Nosf3ratu | AngTalunin, why wouldn't it work for dual boot? |
| 14:36.56 | Nosf3ratu | AngTalunin, it uses grub/lilo just like i386. |
| 14:37.00 | AngTalunin | Hexxeh, how much more work? Isn't it done in the installation proccess? |
| 14:37.14 | Nosf3ratu | AngTalunin, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:37.16 | AngTalunin | ok, thnx Nos |
| 14:37.23 | Nosf3ratu | and read the faq and howto, especially. |
| 14:37.23 | takatumi | hexxeh: is it better in terms of performance than a ia64? |
| 14:37.26 | pengol | is there a partition tool that let you specify partition lenght in blocks? |
| 14:37.28 | hexxeh | AngTalunin, more work as in "openoffice, wine, mozilla plugins all don't have amd64 versions" |
| 14:37.30 | Moiana | How do I change the font for the keyboard in Debian? |
| 14:37.33 | hexxeh | takatumi, it's not comparable |
| 14:37.41 | Nosf3ratu | AngTalunin, and also #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:37.50 | mte_ | jm_ right but it's still set to my local router ip (which i don't use at this location - now i'm going directly to isp through pppoe) |
| 14:37.51 | travisat | Moiana: font for the keyboard? |
| 14:37.55 | Moiana | sorry, console |
| 14:38.10 | hexxeh | takatumi, you can't afford ia64, and ia64 is outclassed by more conventional x86 style designs (or ibm power design) on most code |
| 14:38.14 | Nosf3ratu | hexxeh, or mplayer win32 codecs. |
| 14:38.21 | Moiana | travisat : I have been googling so much for it that my brain is short-circuiting :) |
| 14:38.31 | greycat | ia64, as I said, is a lame duck. |
| 14:38.33 | takatumi | hexxeh: not comparable because its like apples and oranges or because amd64 kicks ass? |
| 14:38.43 | Moiana | travisat : I am trying to get special characters shown on console |
| 14:38.44 | jm_ | mte_: remove default route as set in interfaces and see if it helps |
| 14:38.46 | greycat | takatumi: because amd64 kicks its ass. |
| 14:38.46 | hexxeh | takatumi, a bit of both |
| 14:39.00 | takatumi | ah. |
| 14:39.01 | mte_ | jm_ in dsl-provider or where? |
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| 14:39.16 | jm_ | mte_: naah, man interfaces, see if you have gateway set in there |
| 14:39.26 | mte_ | jm_ ok tnx, i'll try.. |
| 14:39.38 | poison | just one more question: is debian64 (sarge) stable enough to run on production servers? |
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| 14:39.43 | travisat | Moiana: setfont |
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| 14:39.53 | Denn | How to see the currently kbs on a nic? |
| 14:39.54 | Nosf3ratu | poison, FAQ. #debian-amd64. and "sorta." |
| 14:39.54 | hexxeh | poison, not really, due to the lack of security updates |
| 14:39.59 | valdyn_ | poison: there is no sarge |
| 14:40.04 | Nosf3ratu | valdyn_, yes there is. |
| 14:40.07 | Moiana | travisat: testing, thanks :) |
| 14:40.09 | valdyn_ | poison: last i checked, there was no sarge |
| 14:40.14 | Delph | vchrizz: that file will be sourced when you login; make a local copy of it and make your own changes |
| 14:40.17 | valdyn_ | Nosf3ratu: where? |
| 14:40.17 | jm_ | Denn: kbs? you mean traffic? iptraf and pletora of other tools |
| 14:40.24 | poison | this one I mean: sarge-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:40.25 | Denn | jm_ yeah |
| 14:40.26 | stuartSan | is there a way to remove 'lo' from ifconfig because only when i do ifconfig lo down i am able to resolve dns's and surf/chat etc. |
| 14:40.28 | hexxeh | valdyn_, not checked recently? |
| 14:40.38 | stuartSan | can i stop lo from loading altogether? |
| 14:40.38 | valdyn_ | Nosf3ratu: dont tell me about the "sarge" on alioth, its a copy of sid |
| 14:40.45 | Denn | jm_ isnt there a build-in tool on debian? |
| 14:40.46 | hexxeh | valdyn_, was, past tense |
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| 14:41.00 | valdyn_ | hexxeh: ah, since when? |
| 14:41.01 | jm_ | Denn: built-in tool? what should it be built into? |
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| 14:41.12 | travisat | stuartSan: yes, edit /etc/network/interfaces, but why would you want to |
| 14:41.17 | Denn | a thing to see the currently bandwith on nic |
| 14:41.23 | hexxeh | valdyn_, at some point since my amd64 office pc was broken |
| 14:41.30 | Moiana | travisat : setfont is no longer a valid command, at least it points me out to consolechars |
| 14:41.31 | stuartSan | travisat, only after i 'ifconfig lo down' am i able to resolve dns's, chat/surf et |
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| 14:41.58 | Nosf3ratu | poison, you won't notice much difference...just grab the sid netinst. |
| 14:42.02 | pureone | gkrellm darkstart theres some irc scripts that can do it aswell |
| 14:42.10 | travisat | Moiana: oh. haven't had to use it in a while, I guess man consolechars |
| 14:42.17 | poison | but I'm afraid to run sid on my production servers |
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| 14:42.18 | Moiana | yeah, doing that now |
| 14:42.24 | hexxeh | i think amd64 sid is compiled with gcc 3.4 now, which is a good thing |
| 14:42.37 | takatumi | poison: you probably shouldn't. |
| 14:42.40 | hexxeh | but yes, you have reason to be cautious |
| 14:43.17 | provaeriprova | hi |
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| 14:43.37 | travisat | Moiana: consolechars -f font |
| 14:43.44 | takatumi | Denn: try nload, jnettop, iptraf etc. as well. |
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| 14:44.05 | poison | ok I'll go for the amd64 binary :) whish me luck :D |
| 14:44.24 | hexxeh | !bless poison |
| 14:44.27 | Moiana | travisat: thanks :) do you know where console fonts are located in debian, or what is their extension (if any)? |
| 14:44.28 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child poison, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 14:44.31 | valdyn_ | hexxeh: gonna diff both Packages.gz = |
| 14:44.40 | pureone | lol |
| 14:44.45 | mte_ | jm_ thanks, that worked - but i don't want to always manually add/remove that routing as i change between 2 locations with this pc - so is there any way to have both configured? |
| 14:44.46 | poison | if my boss kicks me out next week, it will be due to amd64 :) |
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| 14:45.08 | hexxeh | there's always ia32 sarge, with the amd64-libs package and an amd64 kernel |
| 14:45.10 | pengol | i have 3906976 (hda1) and 217728 (hda2) in /proc/partitons and 3906976+ and 217728 in fdisk ... do you think they match? |
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| 14:45.17 | yoyo_bot | as your wish :) |
| 14:45.33 | valdyn_ | hexxeh: so i did diff Packages_sarge.gz Packages_sid.gz and guess what, no difference |
| 14:45.37 | travisat | Moiana: no you can locate 7x13 or other console font to find them |
| 14:45.39 | hexxeh | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp sarge |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T SMP systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 12897 kB, Installed size: 44226 kB |
| 14:45.57 | Moiana | travisat : thanks, findins |
| 14:46.00 | Moiana | finding |
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| 14:46.46 | Phated | Moiana: /usr/share/consolefonts/, usually. |
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| 14:47.08 | jm_ | mte_: you can remove it automatically with a script that pppd can execute for you (see /etc/ppp/ip-up.d), and set it back in ip-down.d I suppose |
| 14:47.13 | hexxeh | valdyn_, where were you looking? |
| 14:47.14 | stew | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg01858.html |
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| 14:47.39 | mte_ | jm_ thank you very much, i'll try it ;) |
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| 14:47.55 | valdyn_ | hexxeh: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64/dists/sarge/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 14:48.39 | td | does anybody know ehre I should put firmware drivers on my debian machine? |
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| 14:49.07 | takatumi | pure64 is all sid and that too not all sid packages are available, ~93% or so iirc. |
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| 14:49.31 | indomiti | what is the filesystem on floppys? |
| 14:49.42 | tjousk | this system loses it's keyboard whenever I start X... I can go to another machine, and ssh to it, kill X, and the keyboard comes back. any idea what could be wrong? I'm quite stumped. (Standard AT keyboard, P166...) |
| 14:49.43 | Moiana | Phated , travisat , thanks a lot, it is alive now :) |
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| 14:50.12 | td | can anybody tell me where I should put firmware drivers? |
| 14:50.14 | Moiana | console fonts are indeed located on /usr/share/consolefonts, and the command to change them is consolechars -f fontname |
| 14:50.15 | travisat | indomiti:fat |
| 14:50.35 | SlayerXP | td: in the fridge, keeps them nice and crunchy |
| 14:50.37 | hexxeh | valdyn_, that's the old path |
| 14:50.38 | c|one | wich cd's is nessesary to install debian? |
| 14:50.39 | travisat | indomiti:usually |
| 14:51.11 | travisat | tjousk:you probably need to reconfigre x |
| 14:51.16 | td | come on, I need to knwo where to put the firmware drivers |
| 14:51.17 | greycat | c|one: none. |
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| 14:51.20 | hexxeh | debian-pure64 not pure64. |
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| 14:51.29 | greycat | td: what the FUCK are you talking about? |
| 14:51.32 | greycat | drivers for *what*? |
| 14:51.53 | hexxeh | valdyn_, jms@jms:/tmp$ diff saPackages siPackages | wc -> 78813 409622 3130481 |
| 14:51.56 | c|one | greycat: :p |
| 14:51.56 | SlayerXP | td: put them over there. |
| 14:51.57 | td | I am talkign about the file that I should mov ethe firmware drivers into |
| 14:52.09 | greycat | WHAT FUCKING DRIVER? |
| 14:52.10 | hexxeh | ndiswrapper firmware files, presuambly |
| 14:52.14 | td | drivers for my 2200 BG intel pro wireless cawrd |
| 14:52.25 | greycat | oh, evil wireless shit. sorry, can't help. |
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| 14:52.31 | hexxeh | something like /usr/share/hotplug if memory serves |
| 14:52.34 | RichiH | fucking needs drivers? |
| 14:52.37 | travisat | td: email them to me so I can delete them, or just /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 14:52.38 | PerfDave | Does m-a auto-install ndiswrapper not work? |
| 14:52.44 | td | yeah, not supported by defualt or nothing |
| 14:52.52 | RichiH | greycat: you are thinking of the hitachi vibrators, aren't you? |
| 14:52.56 | PerfDave | td: Buy hardware that's supported by Linux :) |
| 14:52.59 | hackeron | when being asked about optional dependencies by apt. What exactly is the difference between "recommends" and "suggests"? |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | stew: this is good right? |
| 14:53.00 | greycat | td: not our fault you support evil. |
| 14:53.05 | greycat | td: we didn't tell you to buy it. |
| 14:53.08 | hexxeh | /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 14:53.10 | td | it is supported |
| 14:53.10 | hexxeh | i was close |
| 14:53.19 | takatumi | PerfDave: if you abbreviated m-a why not a-i as well? |
| 14:53.22 | travisat | td: if you can use a native driver, you will be much better off |
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| 14:53.26 | greycat | RichiH: actually, no, I wasn't. |
| 14:53.27 | PerfDave | td: Evidently not, since you're having to use the Windows driver and firmware hacks to get it working. |
| 14:53.35 | greycat | RichiH: but I'm pleased to see you were ;-) |
| 14:53.39 | PerfDave | takatumi: What can I say, I'm crazy like that. |
| 14:53.40 | RichiH | td: intel is less than good with support for linux |
| 14:53.42 | abrotman | stew: but i have no sid boxen :( |
| 14:53.49 | RichiH | greycat: quality deserves praise |
| 14:53.54 | td | no not the windows driver |
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| 14:54.14 | travisat | td: what is the wireless card |
| 14:54.16 | td | its like http://ipw2200.sourceforge.com |
| 14:54.20 | td | or something |
| 14:54.25 | greycat | td: use module-assistant. |
| 14:54.25 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 14:54.27 | dpkg | [ipw2100] ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid, or #ipw2100 |
| 14:54.32 | abrotman | bah .. 2200 whatever |
| 14:54.34 | abrotman | you get the idea |
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| 14:55.01 | td | dpkg: ipw2200-source is supported as well |
| 14:55.01 | dpkg | td: okay |
| 14:55.14 | hexxeh | valdyn_, http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64/dists/sarge/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
| 14:55.18 | RichiH | !forget ipw2200-source |
| 14:55.18 | dpkg | RichiH: i forgot ipw2200-source |
| 14:55.29 | td | and what the hell do you mean it requires a custom kernel? |
| 14:55.34 | RichiH | td: dpkg is a bot which remembers factoids you tell it - careful ;) |
| 14:55.46 | RichiH | td: module-assistant, you want to install that |
| 14:55.50 | travisat | td: module-assistant autoinstall ipw2200-sourse |
| 14:55.53 | travisat | td: module-assistant autoinstall ipw2200-source |
| 14:55.57 | td | all you have to do is upport wireless extensions, ARC4, MIC michael encrypton, and like CR32 |
| 14:56.11 | td | oh ok |
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| 14:56.14 | PerfDave | Michael Encrypton? Didn't he write "Jurassic park"? |
| 14:56.18 | mte_ | hello..in testing packages there is only xfree86 - what about xorg? Are there maybe some reasons why it's not included? Maybe it is but is somewhere else that i don't know? |
| 14:56.27 | PerfDave | !topicsmite mte_ |
| 14:56.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon $1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:56.30 | hexxeh | it's "m-a a-i ipw2200' |
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| 14:56.59 | double_c | that showed Mr $1 didn't it? :) |
| 14:57.18 | mte_ | PerfDave oops sorry, i must have missed it ;) |
| 14:57.29 | td | is that the command to use once u have installed it?module assistant? |
| 14:57.34 | c|one | wich cd's is nessesary to install debian? sarge-i386-1.iso trusarge-i386-?.iso????????? |
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| 14:57.43 | PerfDave | c|one: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 14:57.45 | greycat | woah. |
| 14:57.45 | travisat | td: yes install module-assistant |
| 14:57.47 | greycat | dpkg literal CMD: topicsmite (.*?) |
| 14:57.47 | dpkg | CMD: topicsmite (.*?) is (And some bought pebbles to throw at the unbelivers.1): <reply> And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon $1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:57.54 | greycat | What is that crap about the pebbles? |
| 14:57.56 | stuart_ | hm, how come when i startup debian, eth0 starts up automatically, i'm connected but can't surf/chat/resolve dns etc. |
| 14:58.04 | xk | someone probably made that factoid as a custom one. |
| 14:58.08 | stuart_ | i have to ifconfig eth0 down and reconnect before i can chat/surf etc. |
| 14:58.15 | greycat | xk: it used to work well. someone changed it very badly. |
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| 14:58.18 | xk | youn eed to use $blah in the factoid key and value |
| 14:58.21 | stuart_ | if thats the case how are my users gonna connect online |
| 14:58.27 | double_c | I saw it work fine less than 24 hours ago |
| 14:58.40 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: topicsmite (.*?) =~ s/And some bought pebbles to throw at the unbelievers./$/ |
| 14:58.40 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'And some bought pebbles to throw at the unbelievers.', greycat |
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| 14:58.53 | greycat | oh, stupid me, spelling it correctly. |
| 14:58.56 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: topicsmite (.*?) =~ s/And some bought pebbles to throw at the unbelivers./$/ |
| 14:58.56 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 14:59.06 | greycat | !topicsmite mte_ |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mte_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 14:59.15 | indomiti | im trying to format a floppy and then make ext2 on it... first i want to format: "fdformat /dev/fd0" but then i get error "/dev/fd0: No such device or address" .. sorry if im lame and the faq site seems to be down.. |
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| 14:59.27 | td | wait why would module assistant help me? |
| 14:59.27 | double_c | also, it should have been brought, not bought. Unless it was referring to Life of Brian of course |
| 14:59.28 | greycat | Someone apparently did a "dpkg, ... =~ s/$/blah blah/" thinking that $ would match end of string. |
| 14:59.44 | travisat | td: IT INSTALL IPW2200-SOURCE!! |
| 14:59.49 | xk | ;) |
| 15:00.04 | td | yeah, but would apt-get install ipw2200 source do the same? |
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| 15:00.11 | travisat | td: no |
| 15:00.29 | greycat | indomiti: modprobe fd |
| 15:00.31 | travisat | td: you would have to compile the modules yourself |
| 15:00.39 | hexxeh | td, module assistant downloads required kernel source and module source, and compiles a debian package of them, installs that package. extra module-specific configuration is included in the package |
| 15:00.41 | holycow | does anyone know if this is the official debian hiararchy manifesto? --> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/ |
| 15:00.55 | holycow | that seems dated to 2001, some things have changed since then |
| 15:01.10 | indomiti | greycat: it says it cant locate module fd .. |
| 15:01.14 | greycat | tarzeau: connection refused on www.linuks.mine.nu |
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| 15:01.23 | greycat | indomiti: that would explain why you have no floppy driver, then, wouldn't it? |
| 15:01.34 | greycat | indomiti: you misconfigured your kernel. Try again. |
| 15:01.35 | stew | holycow: /msg dpkg fhs |
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| 15:01.55 | indomiti | greycat: lol, im so fucked... thanks |
| 15:02.00 | holycow | stew, thx |
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| 15:02.32 | Kazeuri | what's an easy way to see what kernel version I am running? |
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| 15:02.37 | greycat | Kazeuri: uname -r |
| 15:02.40 | Kazeuri | K |
| 15:03.43 | RichiH | Kazeuri: with 'watch uname -r' you can check for kernel upgrade |
| 15:03.47 | RichiH | upgrades* |
| 15:03.48 | travisat | dpkg, CMD: ipwsmite (.*?) is ($1): <reply> smashes $1's head in with module-assistant |
| 15:03.49 | dpkg | travisat: okay |
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| 15:03.57 | travisat | !ipwsmite mte_ |
| 15:04.21 | xk | with the :? |
| 15:04.30 | xk | hrm... |
| 15:04.31 | stew | RichiH: huh? |
| 15:04.38 | xk | don't do it like that |
| 15:04.45 | travisat | hrmmm |
| 15:04.49 | stew | RichiH: how would watch uname -r check for a kernel upgrade? |
| 15:04.51 | xk | you can do: blah $crap is $crap is shit |
| 15:04.52 | Kazeuri | Ah |
| 15:04.59 | Kazeuri | How can I see my uptime? |
| 15:05.00 | xk | or ($crap)... I don't remember |
| 15:05.05 | stew | Kazeuri: uptime |
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| 15:05.13 | Kazeuri | No |
| 15:05.18 | Kazeuri | downtime works better :D |
| 15:05.25 | PerfDave | stew: it's a bad joke from the watch manpage |
| 15:05.30 | stew | oh |
| 15:05.32 | greycat | dpkg, xksmite $crap is <reply> $crap is shit |
| 15:05.33 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:05.39 | greycat | !xksmite Gentoo |
| 15:05.40 | dpkg | Gentoo is shit |
| 15:05.48 | xk | lol |
| 15:06.06 | travisat | dpkg, CMD: ipw2200smite $1 is <reply> smashes $1's head in with module-assistant |
| 15:06.06 | dpkg | ...but CMD: is already something else... |
| 15:06.08 | xk | then check how the factoid is made |
| 15:06.15 | travisat | dpkg, ipw2200smite $1 is <reply> smashes $1's head in with module-assistant |
| 15:06.15 | dpkg | okay, travisat |
| 15:06.17 | stew | !xksmite $crap |
| 15:06.18 | dpkg | $crap is shit |
| 15:06.19 | greycat | travisat: don't put CMD: when you originally make it. |
| 15:06.32 | travisat | !ipww2200smite mte_ |
| 15:06.39 | xk | !xksmite erp erp erp |
| 15:06.39 | dpkg | erp erp erp is shit |
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| 15:06.51 | greycat | dmv: apt-get --purge remove rsh-server rsh-client; apt-get install ssh |
| 15:07.02 | greycat | HTH. HAND. |
| 15:07.36 | travisat | greycat: so whats wrong with ipw2200smite |
| 15:07.37 | greycat | but I don't see what NFS has to do with your horrid rsh setup |
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| 15:07.44 | greycat | travisat: you spelled it wrong. |
| 15:07.47 | greycat | 10:06 travisat> !ipww2200smite mte_ |
| 15:08.02 | travisat | !ipwsmite me |
| 15:08.10 | travisat | !ipw2200smite me |
| 15:08.11 | dpkg | smashes travisat's head in with module-assistant |
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| 15:08.41 | travisat | dpkg, forget ipwsmite |
| 15:08.41 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'ipwsmite' to forget, travisat |
| 15:08.43 | hexxeh | try <action> not <reply> |
| 15:09.00 | travisat | whats the different |
| 15:09.01 | PerfDave | #debian-bots |
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| 15:09.09 | greycat | <action> is /me |
| 15:09.16 | greycat | <reply> is the null string |
| 15:09.27 | RichiH | stew: it was a joke.. |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | the null string is a random phrase like "I think " or "I heard a rumor that "... |
| 15:09.36 | xk | go to #debian-bots if you want to play with the bots. |
| 15:10.02 | travisat | dpkg, ipw2200smite =~ s/reply/action/ |
| 15:10.02 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'ipw2200smite' to modify, travisat |
| 15:10.17 | xk | you have to use the original factoid name |
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| 15:10.26 | xk | with CMD and (.*?) |
| 15:10.28 | Phated | Yeesh. |
| 15:10.30 | greycat | when you modify it, then you have to use the CMD: and the (.*?) |
| 15:10.35 | travisat | dpkg, CMD: ipw2200smite (.*) =~ s/reply/action/ |
| 15:10.35 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd: ipw2200smite (.*)' to modify, travisat |
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| 15:10.45 | xk | forgot a ? :) |
| 15:10.51 | travisat | dpkg, CMD: ipw2200smite (.*?) =~ s/reply/action/ |
| 15:10.51 | dpkg | travisat: OK |
| 15:11.09 | travisat | !ipw2200smite mte_ |
| 15:11.13 | xk | heh |
| 15:11.56 | travisat | dpkg, forget cmd: ipwsmite (.*?) |
| 15:11.56 | dpkg | travisat: i didn't have anything called 'CMD: ipwsmite (.*?)' to forget |
| 15:12.20 | greycat | travisat: /j #debian-bots |
| 15:12.21 | arthur | Everything is fine now with my php upgrade |
| 15:12.24 | arthur | thanks to all :) |
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| 15:12.41 | burnbaby | hi If I am burning an ISO |
| 15:12.44 | travisat | greycat, meh I quit fooling around with dpkg |
| 15:13.02 | burnbaby | I can use a CD_R digital audio cd right? |
| 15:13.07 | burnbaby | with my CD-RW drive and NERO |
| 15:13.14 | takatumi | travisat: welcome to the backbenchers club. |
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| 15:13.29 | burnbaby | I burned one and it is a coaster nothing happen when i reboot with it in my cd drive :( |
| 15:13.44 | burnbaby | but I used win XP native burner not NERO |
| 15:13.46 | travisat | takatumi: the backbenchers huh |
| 15:13.46 | SexyKen | Anyone know how the hell to get the Polycom XML shit to show me queue info? |
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| 15:13.55 | Phated | You have to burn it as an ISO image, not data. |
| 15:14.05 | burnbaby | hmm |
| 15:14.10 | stouset | hi |
| 15:14.13 | burnbaby | im on linuxiso |
| 15:14.16 | burnbaby | site |
| 15:14.16 | takatumi | xk: "CMD and (.*?)", did you create those fancy commands? |
| 15:14.17 | pureone | use nero version 6 |
| 15:14.22 | burnbaby | Im going to follow modern nero directions |
| 15:14.24 | burnbaby | yes? |
| 15:14.32 | pureone | ok? |
| 15:14.34 | burnbaby | downloading nero 6 now :) |
| 15:14.34 | xk | takatumi: yes. |
| 15:14.42 | xk | takatumi: one of my ideas :) |
| 15:14.43 | td | yeah, download a demo thing, it allows u to do it even though its a demo |
| 15:14.52 | xk | takatumi: not ideal... but it works beaut :) |
| 15:15.00 | burnbaby | anyone here try gobolinux yet? |
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| 15:15.16 | takatumi | xk: it works but I still haven't figured it all out. :) |
| 15:15.19 | travisat | xk: kind of confusing, but I guess it stops some people from making idiot commands without help |
| 15:15.20 | td | hey, now that I have installed the ipw2200 stuff, how do I know it is working? |
| 15:15.25 | SexyKen | Anyone know how the hell to get the Polycom XML shit to show me queue info? |
| 15:15.28 | td | I tried mdoprobe ipw2200 |
| 15:15.34 | td | modprobe* |
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| 15:15.42 | xk | travisat: well... I don't know of a better solution other than documentation. |
| 15:15.52 | travisat | xk: where is the docs |
| 15:15.57 | xk | there are no docs ;) |
| 15:15.59 | xk | that's the prob |
| 15:16.01 | td | and this command I used to use to configure it in slackware doesnt work: iwconfig |
| 15:16.02 | travisat | ahhhhh |
| 15:16.03 | Phated | Well, plenty of people make idiot factoids anyway. |
| 15:16.07 | takatumi | xk: gah. |
| 15:16.22 | hexxeh | !dachs Phated |
| 15:16.23 | dpkg | Phated: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 15:16.25 | travisat | td: install wireless-tools |
| 15:16.26 | SlayerXP | dpkg idiot factoids is what Phated makes. |
| 15:16.26 | dpkg | okay, SlayerXP |
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| 15:16.37 | pureone | lol |
| 15:16.39 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 15:16.42 | takatumi | !phatesmite SlayerXP |
| 15:16.42 | hexxeh | !pilz SlayerXP |
| 15:16.49 | takatumi | gah. |
| 15:16.53 | hexxeh | smelly bot |
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| 15:16.54 | pureone | idiot factoids |
| 15:16.55 | td | oh yeah, sorry bout dat |
| 15:17.01 | pureone | !idiot factoids |
| 15:17.01 | dpkg | i heard idiot factoids is what Phated makes. |
| 15:17.02 | takatumi | !dat |
| 15:17.02 | dpkg | somebody said dat was (Digital Audio Tape) This type of magnetic tape at one point threatened to supplant the normal audio cassette with a better quality alternative. Unfortunately, it never really took off due to idiotic licensing issues that kept its price high. However, the small tapes took off big in the computer industry. You can get DAT drives today that hold up to 8 GB of data. Audio DAT tapes are not compatible with data drives. |
| 15:17.15 | td | it works, thanks! |
| 15:17.23 | takatumi | idiotic again. |
| 15:17.25 | burnbaby | plan9 seems like cool OS |
| 15:17.29 | Phated | SlayerXP: I'd correct your grammar on that. "are what Phated make". |
| 15:17.32 | burnbaby | anyone here try the bugger? |
| 15:17.32 | greycat | dpkg, dat =~ s/8 GB/20 GB/ |
| 15:17.33 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:17.41 | travisat | mte_: hmm sorry I didn't mean to smite you |
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| 15:18.20 | travisat | burnbaby: you smoke crack |
| 15:18.30 | burnbaby | hmm |
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| 15:18.41 | burnbaby | damn my nero download stuck on 50% |
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| 15:18.48 | takatumi | burnbaby: you smell burned. |
| 15:18.49 | burnbaby | shit |
| 15:18.53 | travisat | burnbaby: just use 9wm and feel the pain |
| 15:18.58 | greycat | !hose burnbaby |
| 15:19.04 | burnbaby | 9wm? boo? |
| 15:19.13 | takatumi | heh very appropriate. |
| 15:19.19 | travisat | plan9 window manager emulator |
| 15:19.20 | takatumi | !praise greycat |
| 15:19.21 | hexxeh | use nerolinux! |
| 15:19.43 | pureone | meh why not k3b its free! |
| 15:19.52 | travisat | !smite k3b |
| 15:19.54 | abrotman | burnbaby: are you even using debian? |
| 15:19.57 | hexxeh | k3b is also more featured, and has a better UI |
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| 15:20.12 | takatumi | k3b is the rox0rrerrs |
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| 15:20.49 | mina_linux_Tux | does anyone know ... what does that means (sucks rocks rules and pwnage) pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee :) ? |
| 15:20.51 | stuart_ | hexxeh, sorry but what were the 2 commands you gave me for nvidia again? |
| 15:21.01 | stuart_ | the one before and after modprobe nvidia |
| 15:21.03 | burnbaby | I have used debian |
| 15:21.12 | travisat | mina_linux_Tux: whaaat? |
| 15:21.12 | burnbaby | I even installed it using some floppies one time |
| 15:21.17 | burnbaby | which made me feel very smart |
| 15:21.18 | takatumi | this was the k3b command line the last time I tried it, "cdrecord.mmap -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -tao driveropts=burnfree -eject -data -tsize=19364s -". |
| 15:21.29 | burnbaby | what is k3b? |
| 15:21.31 | burnbaby | pray tell |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | burnbaby: are any of your questions going to relate to debian? |
| 15:21.37 | burnbaby | yes |
| 15:21.45 | burnbaby | what kernel does th default install use? |
| 15:21.52 | abrotman | or are oyu just going to keep asking if we've tried 'x' and 'z' |
| 15:21.53 | Phated | Default install of what? |
| 15:21.54 | greycat | which default install? |
| 15:21.56 | burnbaby | and how si the hurd doing? |
| 15:22.00 | abrotman | see |
| 15:22.00 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm asking ... what does that means (sucks rocks rules and pwnage) pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee :) ? |
| 15:22.00 | travisat | burnbaby: k3b is like hell in a box |
| 15:22.02 | burnbaby | stable install |
| 15:22.08 | Phated | 2.4.18. |
| 15:22.10 | greycat | burnbaby: the same one it's used since 2002. |
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| 15:22.12 | hexxeh | stuart_, echo 'nvidia' >> /etc/modules. that file is read on boot, and all modules listed are loaded. and /etc/init.d/gdm restart, which restarts the gnome login manager |
| 15:22.15 | greycat | Phated: misleading... |
| 15:22.30 | takatumi | mina_linux_Tux: try the dict package. |
| 15:22.32 | travisat | mina_linux_Tux: sucks=sucks, rocks=rocks, rules=rules, pwnage=ownage |
| 15:22.35 | stuart_ | k thanks |
| 15:22.39 | greycat | mina_linux_Tux: apt-get install bsdgames; man wtf |
| 15:22.41 | Phated | greycat: True. |
| 15:22.45 | burnbaby | dp you guys code all in c or do you use perl or python on debian for cool web apps? |
| 15:22.57 | abrotman | holy crap .. |
| 15:22.57 | greycat | burnbaby: please stop trolling. |
| 15:23.02 | td | hey, wait, even though I have installed my ipw2200 driver and firmware, and it displays on iwconfig, and I connected to an essid, how do I connect to the internet through wlan0 and not eth0? |
| 15:23.05 | hexxeh | speak in words of wisdom, code in c... code inc, code in c, code in c, code in c... |
| 15:23.09 | hexxeh | nah, i hate c. perl \o/ |
| 15:23.20 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 15:23.20 | dpkg | BASIC is cleaner than LITHP |
| 15:23.27 | hexxeh | !start a badger war |
| 15:23.27 | dpkg | kawfees suck compared to kawfees |
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| 15:23.32 | hexxeh | :| |
| 15:23.32 | travisat | burnbaby: I use scheme |
| 15:23.37 | scarynetworkguy | Does bash count as code? |
| 15:23.38 | mina_linux_Tux | greycat: are these games names ? |
| 15:23.39 | hexxeh | travisat, EW! |
| 15:23.41 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 15:23.45 | emcee | mmm |
| 15:23.46 | emcee | code |
| 15:23.46 | td | hey, wait, even though I have installed my ipw2200 driver and firmware, and it displays on iwconfig, and I connected to an essid, how do I connect to the internet through wlan0 and not eth0? |
| 15:23.46 | greycat | mina_linux_Tux: google.com |
| 15:23.48 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Cool. |
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| 15:23.53 | emcee | morning #debian |
| 15:23.54 | emcee | :) |
| 15:23.57 | pureone | bash is better then batch :O |
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| 15:24.14 | emcee | C++ > * |
| 15:24.15 | emcee | :o |
| 15:24.27 | mina_linux_Tux | greycat: i tried google .. always saying .. linux sucks windows sucks .. and some questions is "linux sucks" |
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| 15:24.39 | greycat | mina_linux_Tux: go get a fucking dictionary. |
| 15:24.41 | td | hey, wait, even though I have installed my ipw2200 driver and firmware, and it displays on iwconfig, and I connected to an essid, how do I connect to the internet through wlan0 and not eth0? |
| 15:24.42 | takatumi | a little bit of bash, a little bit of perl, a little bit of awk and all I can do is gawk at the code in awe. |
| 15:24.46 | travisat | evil>C++ |
| 15:24.47 | Phated | Tell it, greycat. |
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| 15:25.20 | abrotman | mina_linux_Tux: or .. find a channel for your native language |
| 15:25.23 | travisat | aeeeaeeew uueeaw aaaaaaaw w aaaw |
| 15:25.23 | travisat | zaeeeeew |
| 15:25.23 | travisat | uew ueeaeuew aaaw ueeuew eeaw |
| 15:25.23 | travisat | uueueuw |
| 15:25.23 | travisat | aeaw |
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| 15:25.28 | Phated | Idiot. |
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| 15:25.30 | stew | wtf |
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| 15:25.30 | pureone | ? |
| 15:25.35 | takatumi | !fist travisat |
| 15:25.39 | hexxeh | !start a food fight |
| 15:25.39 | dpkg | chicken is not healthy |
| 15:25.40 | travisat | that was worth getting kicked |
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| 15:25.49 | travisat | I just said hello world in evil |
| 15:25.49 | Denn | Can i view the oidentd status window, or something like that? to see whats its returning, and so on? |
| 15:25.54 | emcee | organic chicken is |
| 15:26.06 | the_black_knight | can someone tell me a link to a Debian book?? |
| 15:26.06 | sotanez | hi |
| 15:26.07 | hexxeh | travisat, i think you might enjoy 'whitespace' or 'brainfuck.net' |
| 15:26.18 | emcee | the_black_knight: debian.org ? |
| 15:26.20 | td | hey, wait, even though I have installed my ipw2200 driver and firmware, and it displays on iwconfig, and I connected to an essid, how do I connect to the internet through wlan0 and not eth0? |
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| 15:26.24 | emcee | the_black_knight: a book about what? |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | the_black_knight: afaik .. noone has written a debian book in years |
| 15:26.27 | travisat | mmm brainfuck thats almost as bad |
| 15:26.31 | Bebabo | is there a way to get /usr/bin/time to deliver as well memory ressources used ? or is there an alternative to see mem (except top)? |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | free ? |
| 15:26.50 | abrotman | vmstat ? |
| 15:26.54 | td | hey, wait, even though I have installed my ipw2200 driver and firmware, and it displays on iwconfig, and I connected to an essid, how do I connect to the internet through wlan0 and not eth0? |
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| 15:27.11 | the_black_knight | can you than answer me how to globaly change KDE to GNOM (gnome is installed) |
| 15:27.11 | emcee | !tell td about repeat |
| 15:27.24 | greycat | I don't think the kernel has any interfaces for giving you statistical results of memory usage of a process, other than the instantaneous snapshots that ps(1) and top(1) have access to |
| 15:27.24 | takatumi | td: man interfaces |
| 15:27.25 | hexxeh | the_black_knight, you want to change the default window manager? |
| 15:27.26 | Phated | the_black_knight: Remove KDE. |
| 15:27.27 | scarynetworkguy | the_black_knight: There is a link to the ORA book off of their website. It's old as the hills and much as it pains me was never that good to start with. But it is free and Free. |
| 15:27.40 | sotanez | using tar cvjf... how can i specify the compression quality for bzip2?? |
| 15:27.50 | td | yeah, but i somehow stillc ant connect usign the wireless |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | the_black_knight: easily remove kde .. otherwise .. update-alternatives |
| 15:27.56 | hexxeh | the_black_knight, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 15:27.57 | td | even though it is displayed under iwconfig |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | hexxeh: close |
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| 15:28.13 | travisat | td: ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 15:28.16 | td | and I used iwlist to scan and now I think I am connected through an essid |
| 15:28.17 | hexxeh | abrotman, ? |
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| 15:28.38 | scarynetworkguy | td: ifdown thewifiinterface |
| 15:28.48 | pureone | td maybe try remove the ethernet card or unplug it? |
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| 15:28.51 | greycat | sotanez: tar cf - .... | bzip2 -blah blah > foo.tar.bz2 |
| 15:28.52 | travisat | td: you need to edit your interfaces to add wlan0, and then ifup wlan0 |
| 15:28.59 | takatumi | pureone: bull shit. |
| 15:29.03 | pureone | :O |
| 15:29.08 | td | ok, im gonna unplug and see |
| 15:29.12 | abrotman | hexxeh: that would change gdm/kdm .. it could still use kdm and use gnome |
| 15:29.21 | Phated | Oh, FFS, of all the suggestions to follow. |
| 15:29.25 | pureone | lol |
| 15:29.29 | hexxeh | abrotman, yes, it could, but i was asked about gnome/kde not gdm/kdm |
| 15:29.37 | greycat | Phated: they ALWAYS follow the stupidest one. |
| 15:29.47 | td | hello? |
| 15:29.47 | td | ok I guess not |
| 15:29.52 | Phated | greycat: I was -hoping- he wouldn't. |
| 15:29.54 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: because they *understand* the stupid one. |
| 15:30.05 | pureone | i did add maybe |
| 15:30.07 | td | ok I guess not |
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| 15:30.12 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yeah. There is more truth to that than I like to think about it. |
| 15:30.15 | td | so how do i edit the interfaces? |
| 15:30.18 | greycat | td: fix the routing table as you want it to appear. Geez. |
| 15:30.23 | travisat | td: man interfaces |
| 15:30.26 | greycat | man route |
| 15:30.29 | td | k |
| 15:30.32 | hexxeh | routeman! |
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| 15:30.34 | sotanez | thanks |
| 15:30.36 | scarynetworkguy | td: man 5 interfaces has good examples and step by step. |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | hexxeh: i think x-session-manager controls gdm/kdm etc |
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| 15:31.42 | hexxeh | abrotman, x-session-manager determines what the default Xsession should be. as opposed to xinitrc, which is x-window-manager |
| 15:31.51 | aaronmc | im using proftpd was an ftp server and transfering files off this server over a lan using ncftp and my connection is really slow (400k/s) and times out. anyone know why? |
| 15:31.52 | hexxeh | abrotman, if memory serves, anyway |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | session-manager? |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | ah well .. |
| 15:32.11 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. he'll figure it out :) |
| 15:32.15 | valdyn_ | abrotman: nope, gnome-session,xfce4-session,startkde etc.. |
| 15:32.16 | travisat | hmm gotto go |
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| 15:32.51 | greycat | aaronmc: probably a network configuration issue, not an FTP issue. Check duplex vs. the switch, etc. |
| 15:32.52 | hexxeh | x-window-manager has things like metacity & kwin. x-session-manager has gnome-session, startkde, etc |
| 15:33.08 | greycat | (although a duplex mismatch usually makes it go a LOT slower than 400 k/s) |
| 15:33.18 | td | wiat how is modifying interfaces going to help me? |
| 15:33.20 | hexxeh | mii-tool! |
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| 15:33.36 | td | I mean can I jsut add wlan0 auto udner it? |
| 15:33.37 | scarynetworkguy | aaronmc: Is either machine behind a firewall? |
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| 15:37.22 | ep | where is the boot log file? |
| 15:38.00 | greycat | ep: nowhere, until you enable one (sarge only) |
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| 15:38.18 | greycat | dammit tarzeau! wake up! |
| 15:38.32 | dambodog | any suggestion for a category for naming my servers?:) |
| 15:38.43 | travisat | dambodog: fish |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | dambodog: "euphemisms for fuck" |
| 15:38.49 | dambodog | ie. game show hosts |
| 15:38.54 | SlayerXP | dambodog: STDs |
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| 15:39.04 | ep | how do i configure my printer |
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| 15:39.05 | takatumi | ep: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:39.05 | greycat | anything but greek gods. |
| 15:39.13 | bas | i'm looking for a tool similar to script(1) but that only logs stdin, not stdout as well... |
| 15:39.15 | travisat | ep: carefully |
| 15:39.19 | SlayerXP | ep: read the "Getting Started" manual that came with it |
| 15:39.33 | ep | :) |
| 15:39.43 | greycat | bas: how would the tool *get* stdin? script doesn't. |
| 15:39.44 | travisat | ep: if that doesn't work visit linuxprinting.org |
| 15:40.04 | jetscreamer | who maintains libgtkmm-2.4, and does anybody know when s/he's gonna fix the dependency on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) by uploading the update to it |
| 15:40.10 | greycat | bas: if you're trying to crax0r someone by keystroke logging, we WILL NOT help. |
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| 15:40.26 | dambodog | anything else? |
| 15:40.40 | travisat | dambodog: body parts |
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| 15:40.43 | jetscreamer | regis philbin |
| 15:40.58 | td | ok I guess the ipw2200 still does nto work |
| 15:41.03 | takatumi | dambodog: elements of nature. |
| 15:41.21 | td | even after editing /usr/networks/interfaces or whatever |
| 15:41.23 | greycat | td: did the interface come up? |
| 15:41.25 | jetscreamer | different styles of kung-fu!!! |
| 15:41.27 | greycat | td: does it have an IP address? |
| 15:41.28 | travisat | td: how did you edit it |
| 15:41.39 | greycat | td: can you send packets to other hosts on that network? |
| 15:41.47 | greycat | td: did you tell your routing table to ROUTE PACKETS through it? |
| 15:41.52 | travisat | td: do the lights on it blink |
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| 15:42.04 | greycat | or are you just a moron? |
| 15:42.12 | takatumi | td: we need answers! |
| 15:42.20 | td | I jsut basically repeated below it the same thing for eth0 except replaced it with wlan0 |
| 15:42.21 | td | auto wlan0 |
| 15:42.21 | td | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:42.37 | td | ok |
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| 15:42.44 | travisat | td: you don't need both eth0 and wlan0 to be auto |
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| 15:42.51 | td | hwo do you do route through it |
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| 15:42.55 | greycat | man route |
| 15:42.59 | greycat | GET A FUCKING BOOK! |
| 15:43.10 | tarzeau2 | from www.playboy.com |
| 15:43.12 | greycat | LEARN something about TCP/IP networks before you fucking set up a wireless local area network! |
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| 15:43.27 | SlayerXP | greycat: you say the funniest things |
| 15:43.28 | td | wiat why would I want to route through it |
| 15:43.30 | greycat | tarzeau2: connection refused on www.linuks.mine.nu |
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| 15:43.41 | tarzeau2 | greycat: yes my isp sucks. i'll fix it when i'm home |
| 15:43.43 | Bebabo | and sure never forget to plug the wireless cablese ... |
| 15:43.46 | greycat | tarzeau2: :( |
| 15:43.49 | tarzeau2 | and my nat scripts suck too |
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| 15:44.12 | td | ok excuse me |
| 15:44.16 | nackyi | where it is in debian that i can reconfigure to *not* have Xfree86 try and use a framebuffer device? |
| 15:44.19 | dambodog | takatumi, what are elements of nature? |
| 15:44.25 | nackyi | tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:44.29 | td | look all I want to do is set up my wirleedss card damit |
| 15:44.34 | jetscreamer | !maintains libgtkmm-2.4 |
| 15:44.48 | travisat | td: ifdown etho;ifup wlan0 |
| 15:44.55 | travisat | td: ifdown eth0;ifup wlan0 |
| 15:45.11 | travisat | why are o and 0 so close together on the keyboard |
| 15:45.25 | abrotman | travisat: blame christopher sholes |
| 15:45.30 | stew | travisat: becuase you haven't learned dvorak yet |
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| 15:45.48 | abrotman | err .. maybe i should spell his name right |
| 15:46.05 | abrotman | wait .. i did |
| 15:46.13 | travisat | just call him that qwerty dude |
| 15:46.14 | greycat | oh my fucking god. |
| 15:46.22 | abrotman | travisat: i grew up in the town where he lived :) |
| 15:46.29 | nackyi | n/m i found it.. /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 set it to false |
| 15:46.30 | greycat | WHY are you all telling him to disable one working interface just to get the other one to work? |
| 15:46.39 | abrotman | well . lived at one time |
| 15:46.50 | travisat | greycat: so he doesn't have to edit the routing tables |
| 15:46.58 | greycat | UN. Fucking. Believable. |
| 15:47.04 | travisat | so shoot me |
| 15:47.10 | greycat | so you KNOW you're giving bad advice, and you do it ANYWAY? |
| 15:47.13 | abrotman | td: are you jcook? |
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| 15:47.22 | travisat | greycat: does it work |
| 15:47.40 | tarzeau2 | i wish my problems were as small as yours |
| 15:47.45 | greycat | travisat: not if he wanted his normal LAN to work, it doesn't! |
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| 15:48.00 | abrotman | td: are you? |
| 15:48.08 | abrotman | tarzeau2: you have a numeral |
| 15:48.09 | tarzeau2 | i could read a book, and the problems would be solved |
| 15:48.13 | travisat | greycat: if you are using wireless most likey the eth0 isn't connected |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | travisat: if it is jcook .. he wanted both |
| 15:48.33 | tarzeau2 | no world war can solve mine |
| 15:48.39 | bizkit | is there a way to get 'ls' only list dirs, subdirs and .mp3 files? (w/o using sed or anything similar?) |
| 15:48.41 | travisat | td: if you are jcook don't listen to me |
| 15:48.45 | abrotman | tarzeau2: are you enjoying yourself? :) |
| 15:48.46 | snicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.50 | greycat | if he didn't want eth0 to work, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN eth0 FOR YOU TO ifdown, NOW WOULD THERE? |
| 15:49.02 | travisat | greycat: hmmm good point |
| 15:49.11 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: not at all |
| 15:49.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:49.15 | greycat | bizkit: ls */ *.mp3 |
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| 15:49.19 | Ronin | snicky: why would we want to go to #kedora? |
| 15:49.34 | snicky | because there just a few ppl there |
| 15:49.39 | thenuke | argh.. |
| 15:49.46 | abrotman | snicky: get out of here |
| 15:49.54 | thenuke | snicky: we are all here, we have no reason to join channels where we already are not :D |
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| 15:50.09 | Ronin | thenuke: nice govt logic :) |
| 15:50.10 | snicky | its a good channel |
| 15:50.15 | greycat | snicky: go away. |
| 15:50.19 | snicky | just need to be slashdoted |
| 15:50.19 | abrotman | snicky: this channel is for debian .. go away |
| 15:50.24 | travisat | !beer greycat |
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| 15:50.39 | travisat | !comfort greycat |
| 15:50.39 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:50.44 | lish | hello, everybody |
| 15:51.01 | greycat | travisat: I'll be MORE comfortable when you stop being a moron. |
| 15:51.01 | travisat | hello lish |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:51.18 | travisat | greycat: I'll stop being a moron, just for you |
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| 15:51.35 | abrotman | does he need a +q for that? |
| 15:51.36 | bizkit | greycat: thats what i mean.. it still lists .m3u and .jpg files etc., i tried to get it which --ignore=*.m3u e.g. but this way i'd have to write all other possible file extensions :/ |
| 15:51.47 | bizkit | s/which/with/ |
| 15:52.12 | greycat | bizkit: ls -d */ *.mp3 |
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| 15:52.31 | greycat | bizkit: I'm still VERY unclear on what the hell you are actually trying to do. |
| 15:52.33 | estel | i'm trying running kde with arabic language, but apparently the font setting seems to be wrong - i only see squares instead of lettres - why? |
| 15:52.35 | lish | I want to run a name.sh while starting the computer, how can i do ? |
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| 15:52.41 | abrotman | estel: #debian-kde |
| 15:52.45 | greycat | lish: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:52.50 | abrotman | !tell lish about init.d |
| 15:52.54 | lish | thanks |
| 15:53.22 | td | ok |
| 15:53.24 | jetscreamer | estel do you have the kde i-18 arabic package as well as some arabic fonts for xfree? |
| 15:53.29 | lish | i look for it from google while getting little. |
| 15:53.59 | jetscreamer | hoda ah fez, or however you spell it |
| 15:54.28 | abrotman | heh .. lettres |
| 15:54.37 | abrotman | could it be no UTF8? |
| 15:54.55 | aaronmc | greycat: you were right.. i installed another NIC and its transferring @ 2MB/s |
| 15:55.07 | bizkit | greycat: with -d it gives me ls: *.mp3: No such file or directory and justs lists the subdirs :o. i have a main mp3 dir with subdirs for each album and even subdirs for single cds within the album dirs. now i want to have the format of "dir/subdir:<NL><INDENT>the content</INDENT>" and so on.. |
| 15:55.10 | mdr | How do I end my xfce4 session, just choosing "End Session" from the menu brings me right back to a GUI login (xfce4 is the only WM i have installed at the moment). |
| 15:55.22 | bizkit | greycat: but only *.mp3 |
| 15:55.37 | abrotman | mdr: what do you want .. that ended your xfce4 session |
| 15:55.45 | abrotman | mdr: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 15:55.59 | td | mdr, if you just change your default window manager to nothing, you cna login at the console instead |
| 15:56.20 | jetscreamer | ctrl +alt + bckspace mdr |
| 15:56.37 | mdr | yeah i know about ctrl-alt-f1. Actually i want to install kde now. I thought i might need to leave X all together. |
| 15:56.41 | bizkit | mdr: whats wrong with that? do you want to stop the xfce4 session OR kill x? |
| 15:56.51 | travisat | mdr: you don't need to kill x to install kde |
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| 15:56.56 | greycat | bizkit: find . -type d -print | while read dir; do echo blah blah $(ls "$dir"/*.mp3); done |
| 15:57.00 | td | ok I think I have configured my ipw2200 wireless card |
| 15:57.09 | RichiH | !win td |
| 15:57.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, td! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 15:57.26 | td | no but it still doenst work |
| 15:57.32 | travisat | !lost td |
| 15:57.36 | travisat | !lose td |
| 15:57.37 | dpkg | td: You Lose. |
| 15:57.41 | mdr | ctrl-alt-f1 (or xterm) and then apt-get install kde ? |
| 15:57.43 | td | I did ifdown wlan0;ifup wlan0 |
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| 15:57.50 | lish | All people speak English, are all from English? |
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| 15:57.54 | mdr | after su |
| 15:57.57 | travisat | td: didn't you listen to our conversation above |
| 15:57.58 | RichiH | lish: no |
| 15:58.00 | greycat | !thursday |
| 15:58.00 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 15:58.02 | td | and it showed me all this stuff that made it seem like its working |
| 15:58.02 | td | no |
| 15:58.06 | lish | oh |
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| 15:58.11 | td | cause i unplugged my ethernet cable |
| 15:58.18 | td | to see if the wireless worked |
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| 15:58.27 | RichiH | td: you want to install wavemon too, btw |
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| 15:58.39 | travisat | td: well you can't use eth0 if you unplugged the eth0 cable |
| 15:58.53 | greycat | td: hey, I have an idea. Why don't you get a little stupider? Then you could enter the Guiness Book of World Records! |
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| 15:59.20 | travisat | td: how do you know wireless isn't working |
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| 15:59.37 | travisat | td: did you get a ip address from your router |
| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | you meanies |
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| 16:00.30 | jetscreamer | what language do you want, lish? |
| 16:01.11 | mdr | will # apt-get install kde do the trick? Where can I read up? |
| 16:01.21 | lish | oh, i am good at CHINESE! |
| 16:01.29 | lish | for i am chinese |
| 16:01.35 | lish | :-) |
| 16:01.36 | td | ok I isntalled wavemon |
| 16:01.41 | td | thats a sweet program |
| 16:01.54 | td | but anyway yeah nwo it shows a bit of a connection |
| 16:02.04 | td | but now I just need to connect throguh it instead of eth0 |
| 16:02.20 | travisat | td: so how do you know wlan0 isn't working |
| 16:02.25 | greycat | so REMOVE THE DEFAULT ROUTE that goes through eth0 and ADD A NEW DEFAULT ROUTE through the other interface |
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| 16:02.45 | td | ok to prove ti doesnt work I will try to serach on google with no ethernet plug |
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| 16:02.50 | SlayerXP | it's amazing how many people don't know what "default" means |
| 16:02.58 | greycat | I can't take this. |
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| 16:03.08 | greycat | You people are all welcome to fuck each other up some more. |
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| 16:03.21 | redduck666 | is there any open-source alternative to macromedia flash player? |
| 16:03.28 | travisat | greycat: you don't need to edit any routes to get wireless to work |
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| 16:03.54 | lish | in the /etc/samba/smb.conf, i set workgroup=workgroup,but when i run "testparm",there isn't anything refering to workgroup |
| 16:04.01 | td | ok how the fuckin hell do I change the default |
| 16:04.18 | lish | Ofcourse, the others |
| 16:04.30 | travisat | damn I ran greycat off. :( |
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| 16:04.32 | td | cause Im pretty sure I shouldnt have to do that |
| 16:04.33 | lish | Windows pc cant find my Debian |
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| 16:04.55 | SlayerXP | td: some people are simply not suited to running linux, you are one of them. Use windows, or buy an imac. |
| 16:05.06 | travisat | td: what does it say when you ifup wlan0 |
| 16:05.13 | e2e | Hi, when i try to connect freenode's irc server for this channel at my home computer it turns me to localhost.localdomain, and also reply for ping irc.freenode.net comes from localhost.localdomain, irc.debian.org same, but there is no problem with irc.undernet.com or a few other servers |
| 16:05.15 | td | let me see |
| 16:05.19 | abrotman | td: are you jcook? |
| 16:05.49 | abrotman | td: why won't you answer me? |
| 16:05.57 | stuartSan | is it just me or is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ down |
| 16:06.01 | jetscreamer | !chinese |
| 16:06.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 16:06.03 | td | dude im lookign at the output of ifup ok? |
| 16:06.08 | travisat | stuartSan: it is |
| 16:06.09 | abrotman | tarzeau2: where'd it go? |
| 16:06.18 | abrotman | !seen jcook |
| 16:06.18 | dpkg | jcook <~jcook@203.34.93.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 14h 9m 10s ago, saying: 'cafuego: thanks'. |
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| 16:06.26 | stuartSan | dang, where'd i go to learn how to install a vibra 128 driver for debian then |
| 16:06.37 | abrotman | stuartSan: google for the driver |
| 16:06.53 | td | Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:0e:35:2c:75:85 |
| 16:06.53 | td | Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:0e:35:2c:75:85 |
| 16:06.53 | td | Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net |
| 16:06.53 | td | DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
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| 16:06.58 | travisat | yeah! |
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| 16:07.06 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
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| 16:07.26 | lish | ... i really want to know my SAMBA's matter |
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| 16:07.42 | SlayerXP | td: you are hereby banned from using debian. cease and desist. |
| 16:07.44 | abrotman | #samba |
| 16:07.46 | jetscreamer | it should be in the samba conf-file |
| 16:07.50 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: changed ip |
| 16:07.52 | travisat | td: did you get a dhcpoffer |
| 16:07.55 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: 4hours downtime |
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| 16:08.04 | jetscreamer | i used tk-samba to get mine setup iirc |
| 16:08.11 | lish | jetscreamer ,i did that! |
| 16:08.12 | travisat | td: if not your iwconfig is wrong |
| 16:08.13 | td | yes |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | tarzeau2: yay |
| 16:08.18 | td | I did |
| 16:08.21 | lish | in the /etc/samba/smb.conf, i set workgroup=workgroup,but when i run "testparm",there isn't anything refering to workgroup |
| 16:08.23 | travisat | td: then wireless should work |
| 16:08.30 | td | DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:08.34 | jetscreamer | !samba |
| 16:08.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 16:08.34 | travisat | td: what does ifconfig say about interfaces |
| 16:08.38 | tarzeau2 | abrotman: not so |
| 16:08.38 | td | yes here si the problem |
| 16:08.39 | jetscreamer | all i know, i know nothing |
| 16:08.44 | lish | jetscreamer ,what do u think of this ? |
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| 16:08.54 | dino_ | lish: try WORKGROUP ... i`m nut sure, but try it ;) |
| 16:08.56 | td | the wireless card does work, but now I need to route my internet connection through it, but I do not know how |
| 16:08.57 | lish | ^_^ |
| 16:09.03 | jetscreamer | no idea, i made mine work once, then never again used it |
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| 16:09.07 | lish | i go to try... |
| 16:09.12 | travisat | td: so do that |
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| 16:09.28 | jetscreamer | make sure the win box is set to workgroup for the workgruoup maybe |
| 16:09.32 | abrotman | man route |
| 16:09.33 | hexxeh | :| no insert section breakmin OOo |
| 16:09.43 | stuartSan | doh creative doesn't have anything on vibra128 for linux |
| 16:09.45 | td | but I dont know how, thats why I am wondering if anybody could help me |
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| 16:09.52 | travisat | td: man route |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | man route |
| 16:09.57 | abrotman | it's not hard |
| 16:09.59 | travisat | man route |
| 16:10.01 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 16:10.02 | dpkg | awwww, reading is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 16:10.10 | tjousk | heh |
| 16:10.14 | abrotman | stuartSan: try discover ? |
| 16:11.05 | td | so route add wlan0? |
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| 16:11.40 | jetscreamer | even i know you need an ip in there i think |
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| 16:11.51 | travisat | td: does that work? |
| 16:11.53 | bas | how can i support different keymaps in the terminal/X? i have two keyboard hooked up, one with japanese layout, other us... |
| 16:11.54 | abrotman | man route!!!! |
| 16:11.57 | td | I dont know |
| 16:12.02 | td | No i jsut read it |
| 16:12.05 | lish | ...it doesnt work. and it seems workgroup and WORKGROUP are the same from the color of them when i am using vi to edit the smb.conf |
| 16:12.07 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:12.19 | td | but the problem i have is how do I connect to an ip if I first have to connect through my wireless card? |
| 16:12.32 | travisat | td: what? |
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| 16:12.35 | N-MAN | hi hi ! |
| 16:12.36 | N-MAN | :) |
| 16:12.40 | Mauro__ | Hi |
| 16:12.54 | td | cause if I use DHCP to discover the ip address of the wireless network |
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| 16:13.03 | stuartSan | how do i get the edit command in bash, apt-get install edit? |
| 16:13.17 | Mauro__ | can I install LVM2 volumes with debian?? |
| 16:13.18 | jetscreamer | lish, make sure you know what the windows box's workgroup is really set to... the default is WORKGROUP though. |
| 16:13.19 | lish | you can use vi |
| 16:13.19 | td | than how can I know the ip address before I route through it? |
| 16:13.22 | dino_ | lish: can you connect from the win pc to debian while using \\ip.ip.... |
| 16:13.30 | stuartSan | prefer edit though, was wondering where to get it |
| 16:13.34 | jetscreamer | yeah can you ping the box |
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| 16:13.44 | jetscreamer | edit.exe |
| 16:13.50 | lish | dino_,no! |
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| 16:14.04 | lish | it says :no such machine |
| 16:14.19 | jetscreamer | then you might need to fix that |
| 16:14.20 | dino_ | lish: okay, than it doesnt have to do something with the workgroup ;) |
| 16:14.33 | abrotman | td: it's your damned router .. you need a networking for dummies apparently |
| 16:14.52 | abrotman | td: if you're using dhcp .. your dhcpd should set your router |
| 16:15.08 | travisat | td: can you ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:15.08 | lish | a ?! |
| 16:15.10 | e2e | Hi, when i try to connect freenode's irc server for this channel at my home computer it turns me to localhost.localdomain, and also reply for ping irc.freenode.net comes from localhost.localdomain, irc.debian.org same, but there is no problem with irc.undernet.com or a few other servers |
| 16:15.32 | abrotman | e2e: read the freenode faq |
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| 16:16.03 | abrotman | e2e: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#loopback |
| 16:16.12 | yoo | jetscreamer : Hi |
| 16:16.22 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I apt-get installed a amd64 kernel and now I cant open any files, any ideas? |
| 16:16.28 | yoo | you remenber of me ! |
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| 16:16.37 | Noob- | hello |
| 16:16.39 | jetscreamer | yeah yoo does it work? |
| 16:17.01 | yoo | i think is not memeory problem :) |
| 16:17.07 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 16:17.12 | e2e | abrotman: Thank you |
| 16:17.17 | yoo | are on flood |
| 16:17.24 | abrotman | engrish! |
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| 16:17.30 | yoo | look this error message |
| 16:17.32 | jetscreamer | that's rude abrotman |
| 16:17.37 | yoo | on #flood |
| 16:17.40 | dino_ | lish: past your conf http://rafb.net/paste/ ;) |
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| 16:17.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: as i am i suppose |
| 16:17.56 | oblio | hi |
| 16:18.01 | travisat | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 16:18.05 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:18.08 | td | ok I tried ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.99 up |
| 16:18.08 | jetscreamer | not really rude, more like mean |
| 16:18.08 | abrotman | i'm a fucktard |
| 16:18.13 | td | and that still doesnt work |
| 16:18.17 | Mauro__ | can I install LVM2 volumes with debian??? |
| 16:18.17 | oblio | whats the name of a lil autodetecting x11 configuration tool? |
| 16:18.30 | travisat | td: can you ping the fucking router. |
| 16:18.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it is .. but obviously english isn't his first language .. and might be better served in a channel where his first language is spoken |
| 16:18.57 | abrotman | td: you are jcook .. arne't you? |
| 16:18.57 | Noob- | I have a new installation of Debian. I used apt-get to install kde and assumed it would also install X. When I try startx I get the error from xserverrc that says /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory. do I need to do some more configuration or something? |
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| 16:19.09 | td | who the hell is jcook? |
| 16:19.11 | bizkit | td: have a look on ifwconfig? (note the 'w' fr wireless) |
| 16:19.11 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 16:19.32 | abrotman | right |
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| 16:20.08 | jetscreamer | yoo, try installing a stock debian kernel, then make mrproper and redo the kernel config and recompile |
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| 16:20.20 | abrotman | mrproper? |
| 16:20.25 | yoo | jetscreamer : i'm afraid for my debian ! |
| 16:20.27 | yoo | i can open X 1 once on 5 |
| 16:20.31 | jetscreamer | yeah clean the config out |
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| 16:20.38 | travisat | abrotman:mrproper cleans .config and the like |
| 16:20.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: for 2.6? |
| 16:20.41 | td | ok I used wavemon to find out my router is 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:20.47 | abrotman | travisat: thanks .. i fucking know what it does |
| 16:20.52 | travisat | td: the hell it is |
| 16:20.52 | abrotman | i odn't think 2.6 has mrproper anymore |
| 16:20.53 | td | than I tried route add 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:20.56 | jetscreamer | yoo.... do you mean on tty5, like ctrl+alt+F5? |
| 16:21.09 | travisat | td: ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:21.21 | abrotman | you don't even know that is his gateway |
| 16:21.38 | travisat | abrotman: thats where he got his dhcpoffer |
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| 16:21.53 | abrotman | even route -n should show his damn router |
| 16:22.00 | yoo | i have tty5 |
| 16:22.00 | abrotman | er .. wait |
| 16:22.05 | yoo | it's all tight |
| 16:22.05 | jetscreamer | so what's wrong with mrproper and 2.6 |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | yeah .. mine does |
| 16:22.07 | td | travistat: I did that and it just started giving te me all this list about data transmitted |
| 16:22.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i just thought it was gone |
| 16:22.14 | td | how the hell does that help me |
| 16:22.19 | jetscreamer | ah... make dep is gone |
| 16:22.19 | abrotman | td: route -n |
| 16:22.20 | ftugrul | hi, how can i learn which version of any software installed please? |
| 16:22.20 | oblio | whats the name of a decent autodetecting x11 configuration tool? |
| 16:22.22 | travisat | td: then your fucking router isn't connected to the internet |
| 16:22.24 | abrotman | find the UG line |
| 16:22.29 | abrotman | what is the gateway? |
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| 16:22.32 | jetscreamer | ftugrul, dpkg -l (L) |
| 16:22.58 | yoo | jetscreamer: i recompile a other kernel with make bsimage you mean |
| 16:23.02 | ep | Ok, I just installed kde, how should i end this xfce4 session and use kde? If I select "End Session", i just get a login to come right back. It's pandora's box. |
| 16:23.05 | yoo | soory for my english ! |
| 16:23.20 | td | travistat how can u say dat? |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:23.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:23.45 | td | the router is broadcasting 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:23.56 | travisat | td: because you are connected to the router, but you can't access the net. therefor it must be your router that is messed up |
| 16:24.00 | td | that is the default ip which is broadcasted |
| 16:24.01 | abrotman | td: /sbin/route -n | grep UG |
| 16:24.08 | abrotman | what is the third column ? |
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| 16:24.11 | ftugrul | thanks |
| 16:24.17 | td | yeah, but I cant route my on through ym wireless card |
| 16:24.23 | td | thats I have been ying say |
| 16:24.27 | abrotman | err .. second |
| 16:24.32 | lish | dino_ what can the site you gave me do? ... only let me copy the content of smb.conf there ? or... |
| 16:24.35 | td | trying* |
| 16:24.45 | Noob- | another question (Im new to debian) how come apt-get would not download bitchx until I changed my sources list so that it points to stable and not testing? does testing not include everything from stable? and what if I put both? will it download the newest testing version when I apt-get something that is found in both stable and testing? |
| 16:24.48 | dino_ | lish: right ;) |
| 16:24.51 | Mauro__ | is there a debian install CD with lvm2 support and kernel 2.6? |
| 16:24.58 | hexxeh | Mauro__, yes. sarge. |
| 16:25.01 | hexxeh | !d-i Mauro__ |
| 16:25.02 | dpkg | Mauro__, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:25.07 | lish | who will read that ? |
| 16:25.17 | dino_ | me ;) |
| 16:25.19 | stew | !tell Noob- about bobbitt |
| 16:25.30 | ftugrul | when i try to install libqt3 and libqt3-mt packages, apt-get tries to remove about 450 mb of software (almost all kde packages), how can i fix it please? |
| 16:25.32 | lish | ah ! i know! right now! |
| 16:25.39 | Joris | Noob-: sometimes packages get dropped, or renamed, but I don't know about bitchx in particular |
| 16:25.39 | td | ok from /sbin/route -n | grep UG |
| 16:25.42 | Mauro__ | thanks |
| 16:25.42 | td | I got |
| 16:25.45 | td | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:25.51 | abrotman | so guess what your router is? |
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| 16:26.01 | td | 192.168.1.1? |
| 16:26.03 | stew | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 16:26.03 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 16:26.05 | abrotman | !beer td |
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| 16:26.33 | abrotman | stew: does that mean sarge won't relesase with bitchx? |
| 16:26.33 | c|one | I cant find the page with the cd index for sarge annyone have the link or list? |
| 16:26.38 | ep | how do i start kde? |
| 16:26.50 | goron | startkde |
| 16:26.51 | abrotman | c|one: i haven't seen one either |
| 16:27.01 | travisat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.06 | ep | di i need to end xfce4 first? |
| 16:27.15 | abrotman | ep: did you install kdm ? |
| 16:27.18 | stew | abrotman: as it stands now. but probably the rc bugs will get fixed |
| 16:27.19 | ep | yes i did |
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| 16:27.39 | td | ok when I try route add -n 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:27.40 | abrotman | stew: darn |
| 16:27.48 | travisat | ep: are you at the login screen? if so you have exitted xfce |
| 16:27.51 | td | I get SIOCADDRT: No Such Device |
| 16:27.52 | abrotman | ep: go to a terminal .. /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
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| 16:27.59 | travisat | td: no shit |
| 16:28.04 | abrotman | and don't be in X |
| 16:28.06 | ep | no i need to exit xfce |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | td: stop being so fucking stupid |
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| 16:28.22 | travisat | ep hit ctrl-alt-bkspc |
| 16:28.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: should work again |
| 16:28.35 | dambodog | is there a way to find out what type of a raid chipset i have on my server during installation? |
| 16:28.39 | td | ok than why dont you tell me hwo to fucking set it up since all of your suggestions have done crap anyway |
| 16:28.43 | ep | ok see you from kde then |
| 16:28.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: yay |
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| 16:28.52 | njan | dambodog, ctrl-alt-f2 to switch to a console, and dmesg |more |
| 16:28.55 | travisat | td: route add -n 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:29.04 | td | I did that already |
| 16:29.04 | lish | dino_ you know, i am under console and copying such a long text there is real a difficult thing to me! |
| 16:29.08 | abrotman | td: i told you .. 192.168.1.255 is not your damn gateway |
| 16:29.09 | td | same output |
| 16:29.10 | njan | dambodog, either that or lspci should give you something useful |
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| 16:29.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: still my problems are enourmous and can't be solved with books |
| 16:29.22 | abrotman | td: ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:29.23 | FieldySnuts | heh. 255 as gateway that's good |
| 16:29.25 | lish | any way easy ? |
| 16:29.26 | abrotman | does it work? |
| 16:29.28 | hexxeh | Noob-, bitchx is highly insecure. |
| 16:29.28 | yebian | join #Kernel |
| 16:29.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: no books? |
| 16:29.37 | c|one | what is best to use kde gnome or........... havent used linux in manny years |
| 16:29.45 | td | what the hell does pinging that do |
| 16:29.47 | abrotman | use them both .. choose yourself |
| 16:29.49 | travisat | c|one: ratpoison |
| 16:29.51 | hexxeh | c|one, use what you feel comfortable using |
| 16:29.51 | abrotman | td: does it work for fail? |
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| 16:30.00 | Vlat | hi |
| 16:30.14 | td | it works |
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| 16:30.33 | travisat | td: you are connected to your router |
| 16:30.34 | abrotman | err or fail |
| 16:30.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: no books |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: this is bad? |
| 16:30.47 | jetscreamer | lish, when you have time, apt-get install screen && man screen |
| 16:30.47 | td | second I unplug my ethernet it wuits though |
| 16:30.53 | td | quits* |
| 16:31.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: fatal |
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| 16:31.10 | td | so i am not actually connected to the router |
| 16:31.10 | abrotman | then 192.168.1.1 isn't your wlan router |
| 16:31.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: fatal ? |
| 16:31.16 | dino_ | lish: oh, i dont know .. hm... |
| 16:31.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: where are your books ? |
| 16:31.25 | td | yeah its 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:31.34 | abrotman | td: if you were near .. i'd slug you |
| 16:31.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: girl trouble? |
| 16:31.48 | td | yeah well how bout this |
| 16:31.54 | td | if u suggest I will type it |
| 16:32.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: woman, society, life and worklife |
| 16:32.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:32.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:32.23 | travisat | td: ifdown wlan0;ifup wlan0, where do you get the dhcpoffer from |
| 16:32.26 | abrotman | td: `pump wlan0` |
| 16:32.29 | bizkit | i have a microsoft dos app with lots of .bat files an so on (batch files for ms dos) - whats the best way to run this app on linux? is there any kind of emulation available? i heard of freedos, will an msdos app run under freedos? |
| 16:32.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: human caused artifical problems |
| 16:32.35 | dambodog | njan, did not give me anything about my raid controller..:( other suggestions? |
| 16:32.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: easier to stay home with soup :) |
| 16:32.47 | hexxeh | bizkit, there's dosbox |
| 16:32.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate soup. |
| 16:32.53 | pipeline | bizkit: You can run FreeDOS in DOSBOX, but that's going to be very slow. |
| 16:32.54 | valdyn_ | bizkit: dosemu and dosbox |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: chili ? |
| 16:33.06 | abrotman | how do you hate soup? |
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| 16:33.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't want to eat. nothing! |
| 16:33.15 | pipeline | bizkit: Alternatively, you can use wine, which will be much faster, but has horrible batch file and horrible 16 bit support. |
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| 16:33.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: girls suck |
| 16:33.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: and some do it even good |
| 16:33.39 | abrotman | well |
| 16:33.40 | dambodog | Also, would it be possible when installing sarge and having raid setup on my server that the installation would show both hd's? (raid 1) as if they are not raided? |
| 16:33.51 | td | it doesn tshow the offer |
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| 16:34.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: but that's not the problem |
| 16:34.08 | travisat | td: then you didn't connect to your router |
| 16:34.09 | td | just the request and pack |
| 16:34.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what is? |
| 16:34.17 | lish | dino_ can u see those now ? :-) |
| 16:34.19 | td | than how do i conect to my router |
| 16:34.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: not #debian related |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. gotcha |
| 16:34.30 | valdyn_ | dambodog: if your raid is sata software raid or any other software raid, sure |
| 16:34.33 | lish | maybe some mistakes |
| 16:34.34 | abrotman | !beer tarzeau |
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| 16:34.45 | ep | wait, before i go -- I didn't install kdm on purpose, unless the kde install or debian install did it for me. What is kdm and what do i type to install it? |
| 16:34.49 | JYL57 | Hello, Firefox is refusing to connect through my proxy server... what can I check ?! |
| 16:34.54 | tarzeau | yuk what foreign stuff is that. i don't wona drink that |
| 16:35.04 | tarzeau | no i don't want beer anymore |
| 16:35.07 | stuartSan | hm i have kernel 2.6 but not the sound module es1371, how'd i get it? |
| 16:35.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's lager .. not bad .. it's from where i live :) |
| 16:35.10 | travisat | JYL57: should be in advanced preferences |
| 16:35.12 | stuartSan | i can't seem to apt-get it |
| 16:35.17 | dino_ | lish: yes |
| 16:35.28 | lish | thank you ,dino_ |
| 16:35.31 | valdyn_ | !find es1371.ko sarge |
| 16:35.31 | stuartSan | modprobe es1371 doesn't give any errors, just goes to the next line |
| 16:35.32 | dvs | stuartSan: as root, modprobe es1371 |
| 16:35.40 | dambodog | valdyn_, i am using sata hd's but it is hd raid for sure. |
| 16:35.40 | travisat | JYL57: er general settings |
| 16:35.41 | dvs | stuartSan: Then you have it |
| 16:35.42 | JYL57 | travisat : Yep, already configured and address pinged OK |
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| 16:35.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/182/1351/ |
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| 16:35.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'es1371.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/sound/oss/es1371.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/oss/es1371.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/oss/es1371.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7-smp/kernel/sound/oss/es1371.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp. |
| 16:35.51 | td | ok Im just gona fool aroudn and see if it works |
| 16:36.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not in any good mood |
| 16:36.03 | stuartSan | but i can't seem to get sound working then |
| 16:36.05 | dino_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.07 | valdyn_ | dambodog: why are you sure? linux cannot see harddisks individually if its hardware raid |
| 16:36.07 | sparr | can anyone verify for me that the ident server at 68.112.68.255 is working (well, its giving out responses)? |
| 16:36.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: ok |
| 16:36.14 | stuartSan | insmod es1371 says can't find file or dir |
| 16:36.22 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 16:36.22 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 16:36.22 | dvs | stuartSan: Add yourself to the audio group, logout then back in again. |
| 16:36.39 | valdyn_ | dambodog: if it does, then that proofs that its not hardware raid |
| 16:36.45 | stuartSan | did already |
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| 16:37.01 | stuartSan | oh i accidentally chmodded some files too, whtas the default chmod for normal files |
| 16:37.01 | abrotman | stuartSan: uname -r |
| 16:37.08 | lish | i read some articles which thought "user" is a good idea. u have some suggestions ? |
| 16:37.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:37.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:37.20 | valdyn_ | !sata raid |
| 16:37.33 | abrotman | valdyn_: linuxmafia or xx.yy or whatever it is |
| 16:37.36 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 16:37.36 | stuartSan | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:37.37 | dpkg | from memory, sata faq is at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html, or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 16:37.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:37.48 | valdyn_ | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 16:37.48 | abrotman | stuartSan: what kind of CPU? |
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| 16:37.58 | stuartSan | abrotman, intel pentium 3 |
| 16:38.08 | abrotman | stuartSan: does your internet work ? |
| 16:38.08 | maketo | does anyone know if Dell's Perc4/ei supports external scsi enclosures? I can't seem to find any information online :( |
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| 16:38.18 | abrotman | maketo: check the dell specs |
| 16:38.23 | abrotman | support.dell.com |
| 16:38.25 | stuartSan | abrotman, yes, only if i discon/recon after a reboot.. which i did |
| 16:38.25 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:38.25 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
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| 16:38.35 | abrotman | stuartSan: install a -686 kernel |
| 16:38.48 | abrotman | stuartSan: and don't chmod anything again :) |
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| 16:38.59 | abrotman | unless it's in your directory |
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| 16:39.09 | ep | What is kdm and how can i determine if it's installed? |
| 16:39.23 | mte | hi..it seems like 200 mb partition for /var was not enough, apt-get is complaining there's no space left. is there any quick solution or is resizing partition the only one? |
| 16:39.24 | lish | dino_ i read some articles which thought "user" is a good idea. u have some suggestions ? |
| 16:39.27 | dvs | ep: kdm allows you to log in graphically, using X |
| 16:39.35 | abrotman | ep: dpkg -l kdm |
| 16:39.42 | travisat | mte: apt-get clean |
| 16:39.45 | abrotman | mte: apt-get clean |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | mte: and remove all the .gz files |
| 16:39.53 | maketo | abrotman: couldn't find a god damn thing there |
| 16:39.57 | mte | travisat, abrotman thanks ;) |
| 16:39.59 | dino_ | lish: hm, i never used it and now i'm trying to find my (old) conf... it worked fine |
| 16:40.00 | abrotman | maketo: i know it's there :) |
| 16:40.36 | ep | ok its not installed |
| 16:40.44 | chrysopa | how to discover the model of ethernet card using only a floppy drive? |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | maketo: which model again? |
| 16:40.45 | lish | oh.i see. thanks you for your workings for me |
| 16:40.47 | chrysopa | is possible? |
| 16:40.48 | dino_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/cONgIf16.ht |
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| 16:40.54 | travisat | ep: what dm are you using |
| 16:41.05 | abrotman | maketo: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=Perc4+Spec&btnG=Search |
| 16:41.12 | ep | what's "dm"? |
| 16:41.15 | ep | :) |
| 16:41.18 | dvs | chrysopa: Are you running Debian on it? |
| 16:41.27 | travisat | ep: xdm,gdm,kdm,udm,wdm..desktop manager |
| 16:41.32 | abrotman | !dm |
| 16:41.32 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 16:41.37 | maketo | abrotman: ei |
| 16:42.04 | chrysopa | nop, this is only for terminal using with ltsp. I dont have HD. Only floppy drive. |
| 16:42.11 | JYL57 | How to redo network configuration from start ?! dpkg -reconfigure ??! |
| 16:42.12 | travisat | what the hell is udm |
| 16:42.36 | chrysopa | exist any floppy with diagnosis? |
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| 16:42.46 | dvs | JYL57: Just edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 16:42.54 | dino_ | lish: hosts allow = 192.168.1., 192.168.2., 192.168.3., 255.255.255.0, localhost <-- sure that this is right o.O ? |
| 16:43.19 | chrysopa | The server for these terminals are on debian. |
| 16:43.21 | dvs | chrysopa: Tom's Root disks is the only thing I can thing of. |
| 16:43.22 | lish | there are several parts in our local lan |
| 16:43.26 | ep | I do not know which dm I am using -- right now I'm automatically starting up an xfce4 session. I've just installed kde via apt-get but i'm still in xfce4 |
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| 16:43.45 | maketo | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:43.49 | clojster | whats the list of commands I can use to let DPKG say something? |
| 16:43.49 | lish | 192.168.2.x use such a gateway:192.168.2.1 |
| 16:43.51 | travisat | ep: when you exit xfce, what does the login screen look like |
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| 16:43.59 | lish | others are the same |
| 16:44.05 | chrysopa | where I find this Tom's root disk? |
| 16:44.19 | ep | its a gui with login and pwd prompt -- it takes me right back to xfce. |
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| 16:44.30 | dvs | chrysopa: I don't know offhand. Google for it. |
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| 16:44.43 | chrysopa | Thanks, I try it. |
| 16:44.51 | travisat | ep: alright its probably xdm, if you haven't done anything. I suggest installing kdm for your sake |
| 16:45.15 | ep | "#apt-get install kdm" then ? |
| 16:45.16 | dino_ | i dont know.... it only looks so... hm i would think it have to be 192.168.2.0 or something like this ;) |
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| 16:45.30 | travisat | ep: yes, or gdm both work |
| 16:45.42 | airox | I have postfix installed. What would happen when i download the postfix sources and install them ? |
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| 16:45.50 | airox | Would I have to delete the package first ? |
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| 16:46.07 | ep | any one generally prefered? |
| 16:46.08 | travisat | airox: why |
| 16:46.22 | airox | Why ?!? |
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| 16:46.32 | travisat | ep: if you don't plan on using gnome, kdm, but I personally prefer gdm |
| 16:46.34 | airox | I need extra functionality for it ... |
| 16:46.40 | airox | Like vda support |
| 16:46.56 | ep | ok |
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| 16:47.16 | travisat | airox: remove the postfix package, change the --prefix=/usr, and use checkinstall |
| 16:47.18 | chrysopa | I find this, now I try. |
| 16:47.28 | jetscreamer | if you use kde use kdm, if you use gnome use gdm, if you use neither use either |
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| 16:47.44 | lish | :-) i ll go on testing my samba. if i know something ,i would like to tell you. |
| 16:47.45 | stuart_ | its time to go back to gnome, which packages are for the gnome wm, only gdm? |
| 16:47.46 | jetscreamer | you can use either either way though |
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| 16:47.55 | airox | travisat: checkinstall ? |
| 16:48.05 | dino_ | lish: comment intercaes and allow host ;) for testing ;) |
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| 16:48.27 | lish | but you don;t use it ... i dont know if you have interests to samba |
| 16:48.28 | travisat | airox: yes, the best way would be to apt-get source postfix and work with that and actually install a correct package. checkinstall is a cheat |
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| 16:48.33 | alcorrr | warning, warning! disgusting question coming up: anyone have any ideas on how i can extract jpeg's embedded inside word .doc files? i allready exported the txt content to XML, but i need to extract the images too. any method is welcome (cl tools, c/perl/php etc libraries, etc). thanks for reading :) |
| 16:48.49 | dino_ | lish: or try security = share |
| 16:48.51 | lish | dino_ Are you under Debian OS now ? |
| 16:48.55 | lish | ok |
| 16:49.08 | dino_ | lish: yes |
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| 16:49.36 | travisat | airox: checkinstall is an external package that takes the place of make-install and allows you to easily uninstall self-compiled sources |
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| 16:49.52 | stuart_ | is there a way to check if i have sound config'ed properly without a desktop enviroment |
| 16:50.05 | dino_ | but my mom has a pc with win2k... |
| 16:50.05 | airox | travisat: Hmm ... I see it can make a package out of it :) |
| 16:50.13 | bizkit | i try to run dosbox but i have the german keyboard layout so i can't type / or \ in dosbox. is there a way to change the keyboard layout on the command line just for this term and all apps running from there? (it would be bad to change the keyboard layout of the complete x server just for the dosbox app) |
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| 16:50.21 | travisat | stuart_: cplay, mpg321, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 16:50.38 | ep | Ok, I installed kdm and selected it as my default dm. Now the goal is to exit xfce4 and check out kde (which i've alread installed). So i leave X with ctrl-alt-bkspc and then what? |
| 16:51.08 | travisat | ep: kdm should load, and you can select what window manager to use, ie kde |
| 16:51.16 | lish | i have a strange matter: for i using X, or i use GNOME. before it is ok ,but now it changed! my gnome is easily broken |
| 16:51.19 | karsten | bizkit: Your WM / Desktop environment may support different keymaps for specific apps. Check there and/or tell us what you're running. |
| 16:51.20 | ep | ah |
| 16:51.31 | bizkit | karsten: i run openbox |
| 16:52.13 | lish | KDE is bad also |
| 16:52.29 | dino_ | xfce4 is nice ;) |
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| 16:52.45 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:52.48 | lish | some peaple estimated it maybe missed some lib files |
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| 16:53.10 | lish | and i uninstall gnome and re-install it again |
| 16:53.20 | lish | Nothing changed |
| 16:53.54 | lish | dino_ apt-get install xfce4 ------it this ok ? |
| 16:54.00 | dino_ | yes |
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| 16:54.04 | quiet | lish, did you delete .gnome? |
| 16:54.48 | lish | quiet . i use this:apt-get remove gnome* |
| 16:54.49 | karsten | alcorrr: I've got a slightly used home surgery kit you can borrow.... |
| 16:54.50 | karsten | bizkit: Not familiar with it, RTFM or ask channel. |
| 16:54.50 | karsten | alcorrr: Otherwise, either a hex editor and searching for jpeg file strings, or OOo would be my suggestions. |
| 16:54.50 | karsten | alcorrr: http://www.google.com/search?q=extract+images+from+word+document |
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| 16:55.11 | lish | only run that, ... |
| 16:55.19 | quiet | lish, right but you probably still have the gnome config files in ~/.gnome |
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| 16:55.37 | karsten | Um. Why was I just kicked? |
| 16:55.41 | lish | Need i run rm ~/.gnome ? |
| 16:55.52 | abrotman | karsten: typing too fast? .. flood-lag ? |
| 16:55.58 | drac | karsten: (flood: Consider using #flood), you type too fast :-) |
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| 16:56.05 | abrotman | karsten: you did have 4 lines come up |
| 16:56.08 | karsten | abrotman: One long-line paste. |
| 16:56.18 | ep | When i end the xfce4 session (via panel menu), I'm stil presented with a gui login (xdm) and there is no kde choice. It just takes me right back to xfce4 |
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| 16:56.23 | abrotman | karsten: no .. really four lines in a row |
| 16:56.28 | rux | hello. first: i'm sorry for my bad english but I'm not a native english speaker. I have installed the lexmark binary driver for my lexmark z23 and then the foomatic kit. then i started "lexmarkmaintain" and he printed a page correctly. But when I tried to print with cups (the printer was installed with the foomatic script) he says: client-error-not-possible. i have already asked google, but I couldn't get an answer. Does anybody know how to s |
| 16:56.28 | rux | this problem? |
| 16:56.32 | lish | i want to test it |
| 16:56.32 | karsten | abrotman: ...as part of four lines in 3 minutes |
| 16:56.35 | lish | ls |
| 16:57.14 | karsten | abrotman: Could you /msg me them? I didn't see them. |
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| 16:57.35 | ep | Do I need to end the X session using ctrl-alt-backspc? |
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| 16:58.05 | thingfish | ep: that will only just restart X |
| 16:58.12 | dino_ | lish: i`m afk - see you later |
| 16:58.20 | abrotman | i bet this will go badly |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | <karsten> bizkit: Not familiar with it, RTFM or ask channel. |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | <karsten> alcorrr: Otherwise, either a hex editor and searching for jpeg file strings, or OOo would be my suggestions. |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | <karsten> alcorrr: http://www.google.com/search?q=extract+images+from+word+document |
| 16:58.34 | karsten | abrotman: Um. /msg. |
| 16:58.41 | abrotman | god fucking dman it |
| 16:58.43 | ep | we then at least i can use startkde and feel like im getting somewhere:) right now i'm stuck in kfce4 hell. |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | <karsten> bizkit: Not familiar with it, RTFM or ask channel. |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | <karsten> alcorrr: Otherwise, either a hex editor and searching for jpeg file strings, or OOo would be my suggestions. |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | <karsten> alcorrr: http://www.google.com/search?q=extract+images+from+word+document |
| 16:58.47 | abrotman | guess hwat |
| 16:58.57 | lish | oh, see u |
| 16:58.59 | bizkit | wtf? |
| 16:58.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:58.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:59.08 | abrotman | karsten: can i give up now? :) |
| 16:59.10 | karsten | abrotman: Apparently I'm lagging badly. I sent those over the course of a minute or so. |
| 16:59.14 | karsten | abrotman: Sure. |
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| 16:59.31 | lish | but...what is afk ? |
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| 17:00.00 | abrotman | !afk |
| 17:00.00 | dpkg | hmm... afk is Away From Keyboard |
| 17:00.16 | lish | haha! |
| 17:00.22 | lish | interesting |
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| 17:01.34 | stuart_ | aw.. i got gdm, but now my pc just looks like an advanced twm |
| 17:01.57 | lish | Do most people here are night-cats ?! ^_^ |
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| 17:02.15 | airox | night-cats ? |
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| 17:02.21 | valdyn | stuart_: gdm has various themes |
| 17:02.22 | airox | (sorry dutch...) |
| 17:02.36 | lish | ....i dont know how to descibe that.. |
| 17:02.51 | edibletext | lish, there are a few *cats in here |
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| 17:03.06 | lish | ha |
| 17:03.17 | quiet | miauws.. lol |
| 17:03.25 | quiet | i guess it phonetic |
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| 17:03.31 | quiet | s/it/it's |
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| 17:03.37 | stuart_ | lol didn't get themes installed in this gdm |
| 17:03.45 | stuart_ | whats the package name? |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | i think it's a seperate package |
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| 17:03.57 | ep | I see what you mean about restarting x -- I'm still in pandora's box. |
| 17:03.59 | lish | if you know Chinese, can you tell me how to translate this into English ? "hehe" |
| 17:04.03 | valdyn | stuart_: im sure you did, use the gui to set it up, apt-get install gdm-themes for even more |
| 17:04.09 | lish | "hehe" means a smile |
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| 17:04.17 | stuart_ | i still don't know whats wrong with my soundcard tho, modconf es1371 shows no errors but insmod es1371 says file not found |
| 17:04.23 | lish | while i know lol is a laugh |
| 17:04.30 | abrotman | what the hell is this? |
| 17:04.41 | valdyn | stuart_: didnt you already get told to not use insmod ever? |
| 17:04.59 | encrypt | sorry for offtopic but can anybody suggest me a php translation-in-group system? For example, I have 200000 files that must be translated.. someone go into the site, choose a file, then submit the translation.. then it sends to moderator and it aproves or not.. |
| 17:05.02 | abrotman | valdyn: yes he did |
| 17:05.05 | stuart_ | i thought it was chmod |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | encrypt: ask #php |
| 17:05.16 | StR | hi there what should I use in my sources.list to find php5? |
| 17:05.21 | abrotman | stuart_: it was both |
| 17:05.23 | encrypt | thanks |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | !php5 |
| 17:05.23 | dpkg | it has been said that php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 17:05.26 | stew | lish: hehe is a laugh (its phonetical) |
| 17:05.27 | stuart_ | y |
| 17:05.32 | abrotman | and don't ask us for help when they explode |
| 17:05.33 | joey_ | i think "hehe" is a quieter kind of laugh |
| 17:05.34 | stuart_ | oo. |
| 17:05.35 | ep | i've installed kde as well as kdm. I've ste kdm as the default gm but for some reason I don't think I'm using it. I am unable to logon to anything other than a kfce4 session |
| 17:05.35 | stuart_ | my bad. |
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| 17:06.01 | valdyn | ep: so pick a different session in your *dm |
| 17:06.21 | valdyn | ep: _unless_ you're using xdm |
| 17:06.23 | meebey | those dotdeb PHP5 packages are high quality btw |
| 17:06.29 | StR | dpkg: Due to a severe server crash, Dotdeb.org is currently down. |
| 17:06.29 | dpkg | StR: what are you talking about? |
| 17:06.34 | ep | how do i do this -- i think its xdm. |
| 17:06.37 | meebey | they are some not-documentated forks of the PHP4 packages |
| 17:06.46 | stuart_ | most of the chmod/insmod crap came from google tho so now i'm pretty skeptical about using it again |
| 17:06.46 | StR | abrotman: Due to a severe server crash, Dotdeb.org is currently down. |
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| 17:06.57 | cobra_ | hello |
| 17:07.04 | stuart_ | brb running themes |
| 17:07.05 | thorsten | hi |
| 17:07.09 | cobra_ | excuse me, i have a big keyboard problem |
| 17:07.13 | meebey | and the server admin of dotdeb.org does not create backups ;) |
| 17:07.22 | edibletext | cobra_, get a smaller one? |
| 17:07.24 | cobra_ | i wish i find a special keyboard discution channel |
| 17:07.26 | valdyn | ep: "/etc/init.d/xdm stop", dpkg-reconfigure kdm, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 17:07.30 | cobra_ | do you no one ? |
| 17:07.38 | cobra_ | edibletext, :) |
| 17:07.44 | edibletext | heh |
| 17:07.48 | lish | lol |
| 17:07.56 | StR | what are the diferences between sid an testing? |
| 17:08.01 | ep | valdyn, i can do this from within xterm as root? |
| 17:08.12 | aardvark | !tell StR about sid faq |
| 17:08.12 | stew | StR: http://debian.org/releases |
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| 17:08.22 | valdyn | ep: as root, but do it in a console ( ctrl-alt-f1 ) |
| 17:08.27 | aardvark | StR: in short, testing won't rip off your head and shit down your neck. |
| 17:08.29 | stew | cobra_: if you have a question, ask it |
| 17:08.34 | ep | ok |
| 17:08.39 | cobra_ | i have a "logitech cordless Y-RH35 " keyboard |
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| 17:08.40 | meebey | eerr I meant those php5 dotdeb are not high quality :) I read the changelog and they seem to be some strange fork of the debian packages |
| 17:08.50 | meebey | so its not just a backport |
| 17:09.02 | valdyn | ep: that will kill your current X fyi |
| 17:09.08 | stew | meebey: there are no debian php5 packages |
| 17:09.09 | ep | ok |
| 17:09.12 | cobra_ | and "windows" keys, and "xmms fw" don't work for example .; but mozilla-firefox key works |
| 17:09.33 | meebey | stew: that doesnt mean 3. party packages are good :) |
| 17:09.43 | cobra_ | xev gives me for "windows" : |
| 17:09.43 | meebey | I would compile PHP5 myself |
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| 17:10.00 | thorsten | i've some problems to run our server with 10baseT-FD, does anyone know how to configure this by an option in /etc/network/interfaces??? |
| 17:10.00 | cobra_ | FocusIn event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x3200001, |
| 17:10.00 | cobra_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.00 | cobra_ | KeymapNotify event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x0, |
| 17:10.00 | cobra_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.00 | cobra_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.01 | stuart_ | what the.. installed themes but didn't give me any at login screen |
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| 17:10.21 | cobra_ | excuse me for the flood :( |
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| 17:10.36 | archpollux | is switching from ia32 to ia64 feasible without reinstalling debian? |
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| 17:10.59 | archpollux | on an Opteron |
| 17:10.59 | valdyn | stuart_: use the damn gui, and _read_, you have to switch to "graphical login" |
| 17:11.00 | meebey | archpollux: wrong arch |
| 17:11.04 | aardvark | cobra_: don't excuse, don't do it |
| 17:11.09 | meebey | archpollux: ia64 != amd64 |
| 17:11.12 | cobra_ | http://linuxlab.dk/fcl/technotes/logitech |
| 17:11.18 | cobra_ | i follow this help |
| 17:11.18 | meebey | archpollux: and no, you need a reinstall AFAIK |
| 17:11.25 | cobra_ | but it still don't work |
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| 17:11.31 | dvs | archpollux: ia64 is Itanium |
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| 17:11.54 | archpollux | meebey, dvs: sorry, i meant amd64 |
| 17:12.10 | cobra_ | the keyboad key "windowsL and windowsR" don't seems to work |
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| 17:12.15 | archpollux | meebey: ok, thanks |
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| 17:12.39 | meebey | archpollux: amd64 arch is not official supported by debian yet btw |
| 17:12.47 | archpollux | meebey: i know |
| 17:12.50 | meebey | archpollux: but the port for amd64 exists |
| 17:12.51 | lish | referring to the /etc/network, i remembered that when i install Debian OS from hardisk ,Debian cant recognize my ethernet card! |
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| 17:13.34 | lish | so ,now ,i have to set the ip and route and gateway .... manully |
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| 17:13.50 | lish | every time! ----if i want internet |
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| 17:14.00 | stew | lish: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:14.27 | lish | some convinent way ?! i think some file.... |
| 17:14.36 | lish | oh. i go to read ... |
| 17:14.36 | meebey | archpollux: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#installation |
| 17:14.43 | stew | lish: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 17:14.54 | cobra_ | in fact, could somedy open a "xev" and give me in /msg what it respond when you press "windowsL key" ... |
| 17:15.01 | meebey | archpollux: you can install it into a chroot but you can't upgrade as I read that |
| 17:15.04 | cobra_ | (or maybe its name is "SuperL" ? |
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| 17:16.14 | thorsten | stew: ive tried to set the option described in this manpage but it wont, but if i try to change this with mii-tool it works (not a good idea on a few hundred servers) |
| 17:16.20 | Vlat | is there any deb source providing Xorg ? |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | str: can't help you then |
| 17:16.26 | Vlat | want to test it a bit |
| 17:16.33 | stew | thorsten: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:16.47 | streuner | Vlat: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 17:16.51 | Vlat | thx |
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| 17:16.55 | krenin | hi |
| 17:16.55 | Rydekull | Vlat: hey, check topic i'd guess |
| 17:16.55 | gerardocb | s, leonel |
| 17:17.05 | leonel | ese gerardocb |
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| 17:17.29 | gerardocb | Finally, I have SMTP AUTH working on Woody+Sendmail. |
| 17:17.29 | citral | hello |
| 17:17.30 | Vlat | Rydekull: yeah, sorry |
| 17:17.48 | streuner | !congratulate geradocb |
| 17:17.49 | dpkg | Good show geradocb, you did it! |
| 17:17.53 | thorsten | stew: didnt you meant me with " man 5 interfaces" |
| 17:17.55 | gerardocb | Hehehe |
| 17:18.01 | stew | thorsten: no |
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| 17:18.10 | thorsten | stew: oh, sorry. |
| 17:18.17 | stew | thorsten: but /lastlogging says that you should be able to use interfaces as well |
| 17:18.21 | citral | is hosts.allow interpreted on the fly? |
| 17:18.30 | abrotman | as opposed to? |
| 17:18.31 | stew | thorsten: with the "up" directive |
| 17:18.45 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 17:18.48 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | backwards |
| 17:18.57 | abrotman | asg: let's swap |
| 17:19.13 | stew | abrotman: we should get rid of the non Guinness options for today :) |
| 17:19.22 | gerardocb | You must remember: |
| 17:19.40 | abrotman | stew: no way! |
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| 17:19.52 | gerardocb | To have SMTP AUTH working on Sendmail/Woody, you must have /usr/lib/sasl/Sendmail.conf |
| 17:19.54 | thorsten | stew: i want to set my interfaces to 10baseT-FD by an option in interfaces but it wount work with "media 10baseT-FD" so it runs with 10baseT-HD and that sucks |
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| 17:20.17 | gerardocb | pwcheck_method: PAM in Sendmail.conf |
| 17:20.44 | streuner | why in hell do you use sendmail? |
| 17:20.47 | ep | Life it good, feel a little more comfortable in KDE. Thanks guys. |
| 17:20.51 | Petaris | does vmware work with kernel 2.6.10? |
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| 17:21.07 | abrotman | #vmware |
| 17:21.28 | smcavoy | I'm trying to add someone's xen packages to a sarge system. they have the Packages file generated but no /dists directory. Can still add it somehow to sources.list? |
| 17:21.52 | stew | thorsten: did you look at "up" in man interfaces? |
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| 17:21.56 | gerardocb | streuner, cause MailScanner works fine with Sendmail |
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| 17:22.40 | cobra_ | so, no one know a keyboard-specific discution channel please ? |
| 17:22.44 | streuner | and no other MTA work with mailscanner= |
| 17:22.50 | streuner | and no other MTA work with mailscanner? |
| 17:22.54 | stew | cobra_: you could try ##linux |
| 17:23.04 | cobra_ | ok, thx |
| 17:23.11 | gerardocb | streuner, Mailscanner ppl doesn't like postfix |
| 17:24.00 | streuner | what's about clamav? |
| 17:24.15 | thorsten | stew: on the debian server it may help... thx |
| 17:24.17 | gerardocb | streuner, clamav is just the AV part |
| 17:24.45 | gerardocb | streuner, Mailscanner can use clamav as AV and spamassassin as antispam |
| 17:24.47 | lish | before, only restart X is ok,now, i have to reboot |
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| 17:25.02 | fEnIo | hello |
| 17:25.24 | gerardocb | streuner, mailscanner isn't an antivirus |
| 17:25.25 | stew | thorsten: if you need to run "foo bar baz" in order to set FD, then add "up foo bar baz" in the interfaces entry, that will run foo after ifconfig |
| 17:25.29 | lish | if only restart x,it will spend so many times to loading and loading and loading ang ...loading fails |
| 17:25.44 | fEnIo | http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2005/03/msg00032.html - I have exacly the same problem on sarge, but mentioned thread doesn't contain any solution. Any hints? |
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| 17:26.22 | jfergus | gerardocb: Postfix can natively run you mail through as many external filters as you like, I use spamassassin and sophos |
| 17:26.37 | WiFiTux | Hi, is there a search package for apache, I shared stuff in my site and need to be able to do a search among the thingsa. |
| 17:26.53 | vilemaxim | I'm getting flooded on my router and trying to figure out what it going on. My syslog keep spitting out a compaint, but I'm not sure if I'm reading it right. The source ip is always differnt, but the macaddress is the same... Anyone know iptable well enough to tell me what's happening |
| 17:27.12 | WiFiTux | vilemaxim: what router? |
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| 17:27.20 | Vlat | WiFiTux: do you mean some CGI script, which be able to search through the pages ? |
| 17:27.41 | vilemaxim | WiFiTux, the one at my work... it's a debian box |
| 17:27.52 | vilemaxim | WiFiTux, not sure I understand the question |
| 17:28.10 | WiFiTux | Vlat: I have a folder full of things that I need to search, OK! is an mp3 folder and need to do a search |
| 17:28.16 | gerardocb | Ah! |
| 17:28.22 | gerardocb | jfergus, Sophos rules! :-D |
| 17:28.25 | WiFiTux | vilemaxim: oh, I thought it was a physicall router. |
| 17:28.27 | Vlat | WiFiTux: apt-cache search mnogosearch |
| 17:28.38 | gerardocb | jfergus, I like postfix |
| 17:28.38 | WiFiTux | Vlat: is that for apache? |
| 17:28.41 | Vlat | WiFiTux: but this package can do a LOOOOOT more things too :) |
| 17:28.49 | ep | Like what i see, I'm going to reinstall, I'd like to run a newer, perhaps less stable kernel built for the k7. Also I'd like to include lm-sensor modules if possible. Can I get these things off the menu in expert mode? (its a net install). |
| 17:28.51 | Vlat | WiFiTux: hm, yes |
| 17:28.54 | edibletext | WiFiTux, htsearch or mnogosearch. |
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| 17:29.02 | WiFiTux | Vlat: ok mnogosearch. ok. |
| 17:29.03 | streuner | dpkg, sophos |
| 17:29.13 | jfergus | gerardocb: I didn't at first, but that was me being lazy and not wanting to switch. :) |
| 17:29.23 | Vlat | WiFiTux: with HtSearch you can do a searches along local filesystem too, AFAIK |
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| 17:29.56 | gerardocb | jfergus, I got a customer asking Mailscanner... I couldn't do more... |
| 17:29.58 | WiFiTux | Vlat: yeah, I did ln -s /mnt/Music /var/www/music |
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| 17:30.27 | CaKeY | <--mepis user: any word on when nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 will be available? |
| 17:30.45 | Vlat | WiFiTux: as far as i know, there was something for mnogosearch to search through mp3 ID tags too :))) |
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| 17:31.03 | WiFiTux | Vlat: so, which one? |
| 17:31.11 | WiFiTux | debian:~# apt-cache show htsearch |
| 17:31.11 | WiFiTux | W: Unable to locate package htsearch |
| 17:31.11 | Vlat | WiFiTux: mnogosearch is my bet |
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| 17:31.17 | streuner | jfergus: URL (Sophos)? |
| 17:31.35 | gerardocb | streuner, http://www.sophos.com/ |
| 17:31.42 | streuner | thanks |
| 17:31.46 | ep | I play some 3d (bzflag) Is there a "nvida kernel" built for the k7 series? |
| 17:32.12 | jfergus | streuner: What he said |
| 17:32.13 | krenin | is gnome 2.10 available for Debian anywhere yet? |
| 17:32.23 | WiFiTux | Vlat: is it too much work? works with mysql? |
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| 17:32.43 | WiFiTux | krenin: not for now. |
| 17:32.46 | krenin | ok |
| 17:33.03 | Vlat | WiFiTux: in fact, it scans -> stores data to mysql -> when search request arrives - searches within sql database. |
| 17:33.27 | Vlat | WiFiTux: if it would pass through a whole filesystem, the search process will take a looooooooooooooot time |
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| 17:33.44 | WiFiTux | Vlat: I want something simpler. Like CGIIRC, is just there! |
| 17:33.49 | tjousk | I set my clock during a kernel compile, and it's complaining about clock skew, sill this cause any problems? (My assumption is no, just want to be sure. takes quite a while to compile on this) |
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| 17:34.03 | Devil_Kin | debian ppl, is it possible that the smtp on murphy.debian.org is b0rked? |
| 17:34.19 | Vlat | WiFiTux: http://www.issociate.de/board/post/139664/simple_search_script.html |
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| 17:34.58 | Vlat | WiFiTux: it a very simple thingie |
| 17:35.25 | hogmeat | greets, i have 2 network cards, after bootup i see the routing table has two default search paths. how can i set just eth0 to the default search path in the /etc/network conf files? |
| 17:35.36 | asg | abrotman: what are we swapping? |
| 17:35.37 | Vlat | WiFiTux: the more simple is pressing CTRL-F in yor Firefox and searching towards :) |
| 17:36.00 | WiFiTux | Vlat: that is b0rken. I just want freaking google in my site! with my files |
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| 17:36.04 | ferris | i recently upgraded my system... and now i cannot reach the repos. i have tried to apt-get update, i have tried dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:36.08 | ferris | nothing worked |
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| 17:36.34 | DvlsThts | is there a way to increase the size of a dos boot floppy image? |
| 17:36.42 | ferris | i did not realize that i should have the unstable, and not testing |
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| 17:37.03 | WiFiTux | DvlsThts: yes, stretch the floppy drive until more fits in it. |
| 17:37.23 | Vlat | WiFiTux: maybe libapache-mod-musicindex then ? (Browse, stream, download and search through MP3/Ogg files) |
| 17:37.26 | DvlsThts | WiFiTux: right, that stretches the image...thanks :P |
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| 17:37.33 | Vlat | WiFiTux: it's debian package |
| 17:38.27 | ferris | i have googled it.... and there was nothing there |
| 17:38.28 | Vlat | WiFiTux: there also a version for apache2 |
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| 17:39.02 | jfergus | WiFiTux: check out RIMPS |
| 17:39.15 | jorge_ | hi, does anyone know if there is someone developing LRP with 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:39.16 | deckrider | hi, on debian/sarge, I didn't give a domain name during setup. How do I set this now? |
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| 17:39.34 | WiFiTux | Vlat: I just tried musicindex and doesn't look promising... let me see. |
| 17:39.41 | WiFiTux | jfergus: let me c |
| 17:40.02 | tjousk | ferris: the only method I can think of, is format a second disk to the size you want, boot to dos, sys it, then copy everything else onto it. |
| 17:41.28 | WiFiTux | jfergus: RIMPS? |
| 17:41.35 | asg | deckrider: edit /etc/hosts and /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 17:41.44 | deckrider | asg: thanks |
| 17:41.48 | asg | deckrider: you're welcome |
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| 17:42.16 | jfergus | WiFiTux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rimps/ |
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| 17:42.24 | ferris | tjousk, thanks but this is a laptop.... not going to happen |
| 17:42.27 | WiFiTux | How about NMS-Search? |
| 17:42.42 | WiFiTux | jfergus: not in apt-get :-| |
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| 17:44.14 | JYL57 | join #perl |
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| 17:44.34 | JYL57 | ooups ;-) |
| 17:44.38 | jfergus | WiFiTux: I don't really think it should be, you basically just dump it in a foler in your document root and setup the db. |
| 17:44.52 | jfergus | *folder |
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| 17:45.44 | aargh | when i ssh to work from home, my alias commands defined in .bashrc don't work... is there a ssh config option that i have to change? |
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| 17:46.42 | caphuso | aargh: source your .bashrc in .bash_profile |
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| 17:47.33 | aargh | caphuso: what do you mean by source? cp .bashrc .bash_profile? |
| 17:47.38 | caphuso | aargh: no, source |
| 17:47.48 | caphuso | as in the shell builtin source |
| 17:48.01 | aargh | err... sorry i don't get it |
| 17:48.05 | asg | aargh: help source |
| 17:48.09 | aargh | ok |
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| 17:48.12 | aargh | lemme look |
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| 17:48.18 | jorge_ | hi, does anyone know if there is someone developing LRP with 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:48.21 | Xer | hi |
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| 17:48.59 | WiFiTux | jfergus: I hate when things are not in apt-get |
| 17:49.00 | Xer | anyone here know how to translate gnome ? or know a site for help with it? |
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| 17:49.33 | jfergus | WiFiTux: Package it :) |
| 17:49.33 | asg | Xer: gnome.org should have pointers to translation. Also, #gnome on irc.gnome.org. |
| 17:49.34 | caphuso | Xer: there's a whole gnome translation project |
| 17:49.55 | caphuso | Xer: i think it's a safe bet assuming that they provide some help with translating gnome... |
| 17:49.56 | aargh | caphuso: thanks, it worked, how do i get it startup automatically when i ssh/ |
| 17:50.07 | caphuso | aargh: uhm |
| 17:50.10 | Xer | they have irc server! |
| 17:50.18 | caphuso | aargh: still by sourcing your .bashrc in .bash_profile |
| 17:50.22 | Xer | ;) |
| 17:50.34 | aargh | caphuso: oopss... forgot about that.. thanks much |
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| 17:50.53 | Xer | caphuso Xer: there's a whole gnome translation project <<<--- no there isnt ;) |
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| 17:51.00 | jorge_ | hi, does anyone know if there is someone developing LRP with 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:51.06 | WiFiTux | jfergus: It is not what I'm looking for. I want to put search engine for my site. Like for my intranet. For my PC |
| 17:51.27 | caphuso | Xer: are you on crack? |
| 17:51.35 | Xer | yes |
| 17:51.36 | Xer | ;] |
| 17:51.37 | caphuso | jorge_: stop repeating |
| 17:51.47 | jorge_ | ok |
| 17:51.47 | Xer | lol |
| 17:51.59 | Xer | same one repating and this time its isnt me |
| 17:51.59 | Xer | :D |
| 17:52.02 | Tarace | hi, did anyone install the CVS version of Nagios contained in Sarge ? |
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| 17:52.49 | WiFiTux | again. |
| 17:53.04 | abrotman | asg: beers |
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| 17:53.24 | WiFiTux | Someone knows of a fraaking Search Engine for my Internet Site? I want to do a simple search, that's all. |
| 17:53.34 | abrotman | htdig ? |
| 17:53.52 | WiFiTux | abrotman: don't tell me it was that easy. |
| 17:54.00 | abrotman | !info htdig |
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| 17:54.03 | dpkg | htdig: (WWW search system for an intranet or small internet), section web, is optional. Version: 1:3.1.6-11 (sid), Packaged size: 944 kB, Installed size: 2880 kB |
| 17:54.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: do i win a prize? |
| 17:54.40 | caphuso | for small internet? |
| 17:55.00 | WiFiTux | !win abrotman |
| 17:55.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | i assume they mean a small internet site |
| 17:55.27 | abrotman | how about OLS? |
| 17:55.30 | asg | abrotman: ah :) |
| 17:55.57 | jfergus | It there a plf equiv. for deb? |
| 17:56.29 | caphuso | jfergus: a what? |
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| 17:57.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman: how do you use htdig? |
| 17:57.25 | abrotman | WiFiTux: dunno .. never touched it.. i just know it exsts :) |
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| 17:57.40 | abrotman | !plf |
| 17:57.42 | jfergus | caphuso: Penguin Leberation Front. All the packages that cannot be included it the dist due to licensing/legal reasons. |
| 17:57.44 | abrotman | exactly |
| 17:57.47 | edibletext | WiFiTux, htdig.org may help |
| 17:57.55 | jfergus | *Liberation |
| 17:58.02 | caphuso | jfergus: start with /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 17:58.21 | Mash | hello |
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| 17:59.10 | WiFiTux | edibletext: you helping me might help. |
| 17:59.29 | asg | WiFiTux: have you read the documentation that came with it yet? |
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| 18:00.17 | WiFiTux | asg: no, but I can put you to read it. :) Nah, just joking. |
| 18:00.28 | yalu | does anyone else have instability problems with konqueror? it seems to crash often when trying to browse files. I recently upgraded all of kde for that reason but the problem seems to remain |
| 18:00.30 | asg | WiFiTux: and get the htdig-doc package while your at it |
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| 18:01.07 | gigabytes | hi |
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| 18:01.49 | DrPete | Anyone use shorewall on sarge? |
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| 18:01.58 | edibletext | WiFiTux, It was in response to your query " how do i use htdig" they have a demo at the homepage |
| 18:02.07 | Blissex | yalu: poor question... ''anyone'', ''crashes'', ... style questions are useless |
| 18:02.13 | abrotman | DrPete: try again |
| 18:02.18 | WiFiTux | edibletext: I don't know how to Once you have that working, try running htsearch from your web browser, using the search form you configured. |
| 18:02.19 | asg | yalu: try #debian-kde |
| 18:02.26 | vegetax | how do i use aptitude through a proxy? |
| 18:02.31 | WiFiTux | Search Form I did? |
| 18:02.31 | yalu | Blissex: can't do any better goven the information given to me, unfortunately |
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| 18:02.38 | yalu | asg: sure |
| 18:02.42 | ILF | k, i'm a n00b, can't install mplayer |
| 18:02.44 | Blissex | yalu: try to say things like: version of Debian, version of KDE, and the exact error message it crashes with... |
| 18:02.50 | ILF | found this http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-configsoft.html |
| 18:02.51 | asg | ILF: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 18:03.08 | edibletext | WiFiTux, whoa serious case of yoda-itis :) |
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| 18:03.20 | jfergus | caphuso: Just what I wanted. |
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| 18:03.26 | asg | edibletext: cluebat him you will ... hmmmm |
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| 18:03.38 | edibletext | heh |
| 18:03.42 | gigabytes | when will kde 3.4.0 packages arrive in sid? |
| 18:03.43 | ILF | asg: that's what i'm trying to do, not working |
| 18:03.47 | asg | gigabytes: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:03.48 | WiFiTux | edibletext: It was a copy from the site. |
| 18:03.52 | stouset | gigabytes: WIR, SIYH |
| 18:03.52 | quiet | I have been spending hours on a net-inst of sarge... I choose desktop, web server, file server, database server.. and it just popped up and said that some software couldn't be installed... it has already downloaded everything.. and appeared to be nearly donw with the installation.. i get the config menu.. should i just go on to 'configur mail transport agent'? |
| 18:03.52 | gigabytes | asg, ok |
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| 18:04.03 | edibletext | WiFiTux, heh ok |
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| 18:04.32 | abrotman | asg: holy god .. they do have 3.4 packages already |
| 18:04.34 | asg | ILF: what error do you get when you try to install it? |
| 18:04.46 | ILF | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 18:04.46 | ILF | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 18:04.50 | ILF | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package |
| 18:04.53 | asg | abrotman: they had them apparently a few days ago before the official release, at least according to the /topic |
| 18:04.54 | abrotman | WiFiTux: stop being lazy |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | ILF: stop pasting |
| 18:04.59 | edibletext | WiFiTux, open directory :) |
| 18:05.02 | harfooz | hi all -- I have a fresh d-i install of sarge and have installed emacs. Fonts are larger than they should be in the emacs as well as the configuration of xmms. All other items in gnome look very normal. What config do I need to look at to correct this font size issue? |
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| 18:05.14 | asg | ILF: why are you building them, just download the debs via sources at marillat's site |
| 18:05.31 | DrPete | abrotman: ? |
| 18:05.37 | Blissex | harfooz: the Emacs X resources... |
| 18:05.45 | chefkoch | ich will debian sid64 installieren, scheitere aber schon bei der netzwerkkarte |
| 18:05.47 | abrotman | DrPete: are you having a problem with shorewall? |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | !german |
| 18:05.51 | dpkg | [german] #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 18:05.58 | chefkoch | danke |
| 18:06.00 | abrotman | i think |
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| 18:06.11 | abrotman | is his name .. Chef Kock ? |
| 18:06.16 | harfooz | Blissex, but what about the similarly large fonts in xmms? |
| 18:06.16 | abrotman | err Koch ? |
| 18:06.17 | asg | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:06.35 | WiFiTux | abrotman: lazy? I don't want all that. I just want to install something, tell it where are my index files and done! |
| 18:06.38 | Blissex | harfooz: the XMMS X resources too... I'd guess. |
| 18:06.42 | abrotman | WiFiTux: find ? |
| 18:07.04 | Blissex | harfooz: you can configure Emacs fonts also within Emacs itself, but I think it is better to set the default fron using X resources. |
| 18:07.07 | asg | WiFiTux: then get google to crawl your site and use their single site free search feature. |
| 18:07.11 | WiFiTux | abrotman: hhm I use it in ssh. BTW what was the non case sensitive syntax? :) |
| 18:07.16 | vegetax | how do i configure aptitude to go through a proxy? |
| 18:07.31 | PD_Dingo | lo all, is there any configuration possible to ipop3d at all please ? |
| 18:07.31 | WiFiTux | asg: mp3 files? it won't do that. |
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| 18:07.51 | abrotman | WiFiTux: for what? |
| 18:07.51 | stouset | PD_Dingo: What do you need to configure? |
| 18:08.01 | harfooz | Blissex, yes I have a .emacs file that I can config emacs there, but these extra-large menu items are my concern. Where are the application specific X resources stored? |
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| 18:08.13 | abrotman | WiFiTux: locate/updatedb ? |
| 18:08.16 | Mardus | Hi |
| 18:08.38 | Blissex | harfooz: in the X server, read via 'xrdb' from an arbitrary file. |
| 18:08.41 | harfooz | all my fonts in gnome are set to size 10. and it's not all applications. |
| 18:08.46 | harfooz | ok thanks! |
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| 18:09.22 | Mardus | If anyone remembers me, then I was this poor guy with a CNet NIC that just couldn't get to work. |
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| 18:09.34 | PD_Dingo | stouset: well this is my situation, after the last apt-get update my pop3 plaintext login stopped working, i use it only over local network and the programs i use it with do not know how to do secure authentication .. |
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| 18:10.24 | stouset | PD_Dingo: check the changelogs |
| 18:10.40 | stouset | PD_Dingo: and the bts, alternatively switch to courier |
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| 18:10.47 | Mardus | Now, I got that damn NIC to work so, I'm here for the first time using a text-mode irc client thru Debian |
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| 18:11.01 | abrotman | !win Mardus |
| 18:11.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, Mardus! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 18:11.07 | PD_Dingo | stouset: thanks, i'll try that |
| 18:11.43 | Mardus | Yea well, the only reason I'm not using any X irc client is that I can't get X to work. |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | Mardus: version of debian and video card |
| 18:12.08 | stew | Mardus: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 18:12.23 | Garfield82 | hello there! i need help to get my winmodem running with debian. can somebody help, please? |
| 18:12.38 | Mardus | woody, s3 true64 or something |
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| 18:12.55 | abrotman | Mardus: not an S3!!!!!!! |
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| 18:13.05 | Mardus | abrotman: Oh? |
| 18:13.09 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 18:13.09 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
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| 18:13.20 | abrotman | Mardus: which version of X? |
| 18:13.22 | asg | Mardus: try using the v3 xserver. Some s3 cards don't work with the v4 xserver |
| 18:13.23 | stouset | So, a quick question. What's the purpose of having a sound server like esd or arts? /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp not allow concurrent accesses, or something? |
| 18:13.24 | yalu | and unsupported crap |
| 18:13.33 | abrotman | yalu: depends on the card |
| 18:13.36 | yalu | stouset: mixing and stuff |
| 18:13.36 | Mardus | abrotman, I remember XF864.1 |
| 18:13.38 | asg | stouset: that's the idea in principle |
| 18:13.39 | Blissex | stouset: there are two reasons... |
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| 18:13.52 | abrotman | Mardus: http://xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status28.html#28 |
| 18:13.54 | Blissex | stouset: one is to allow the use of plugins and sound transformation. The other is sharing the card. |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | Mardus: is your card there? |
| 18:14.04 | abrotman | under the 4.1.0 heading |
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| 18:14.15 | stouset | Blissex: Thanks :-) |
| 18:14.24 | CaKeY | anyone know where i could get a deb package for nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167 ? |
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| 18:14.28 | valdyn | esd is pointless w/ alsa |
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| 18:14.37 | Mardus | abrotman: Wait, i gotta see and take notes, too |
| 18:14.44 | zinx | CaKeY: they're in sid |
| 18:15.08 | zinx | CaKeY: if you don't already run sid, you should be running sarge.. which should have working drivers |
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| 18:15.19 | abrotman | Mardus: lspci should give oyu the card |
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| 18:15.33 | zinx | CaKeY: though not neccesarily the bleeding edge drivers ;) |
| 18:15.47 | stuartSan | whoa, how come i can't boot-up with the 686 2.6 kernel |
| 18:16.17 | stuartSan | it says kernel panic, attempted to kill init |
| 18:16.17 | WhiteRabbit | AIEEE! |
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| 18:16.17 | CaKeY | im running mepis, and nvidia-glx is the latest version but I need the kernel to install them |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 18:16.17 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
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| 18:16.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:16.20 | asg | CaKeY: ask #mephis then |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | CaKeY: go to #mepis |
| 18:16.27 | abrotman | asg: wrong channel :) |
| 18:16.28 | CaKeY | i did, nothing |
| 18:16.35 | httpdss | this question doesnt have to do with debian specifically, but im trying to find a dbms with network model implementation for linux .. does any now of one ?? |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 18:16.38 | asg | abrotman: does it matter, there isn't anyone in there |
| 18:16.41 | abrotman | go to #mepis |
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| 18:16.53 | abrotman | asg: in where? |
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| 18:16.59 | CaKeY | im assuming i can just use a regular deb package |
| 18:17.04 | FieldySnuts | I'm getting about 2 of these every second, never seen this before, any ideas? kernel: source route option 127.0.0.1 -> 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:17.05 | abrotman | CaKeY: ask #mepis |
| 18:17.06 | harfooz | Blissex, I found something that fixed it! I reversed the two lines in the x config file that relates to the dpi settings. Putting the 75 dpi first (before 100dpi) fixed it. |
| 18:17.07 | pipeline | httpdss: network model? |
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| 18:17.11 | asg | abrotman: mepis, mephis, fuckstick's personal debian. |
| 18:17.15 | CaKeY | i did, they said to come here |
| 18:17.21 | abrotman | asg: lots of people in #mepis |
| 18:17.25 | pipeline | CaKeY: Install debian. |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | CaKeY: they lied .. go to #mepis |
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| 18:17.30 | asg | CaKeY: /msg dpkg nvidia debs (if that doesn't work, install the real debian) |
| 18:17.38 | asg | abrotman: that told him to come here |
| 18:17.44 | Kerr | how can i send a message from a console that will be seen by all users, regardless of what app they're running? |
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| 18:17.50 | asg | Kerr: man wall |
| 18:17.53 | stuartSan | whats the command to see what packages i got to uninstall again |
| 18:17.53 | Panzerboy | evening |
| 18:17.56 | Kerr | thanks asg |
| 18:18.06 | asg | Kerr: won't work if they are in X though but it will show up in any xterms they are running |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | asg: what did? |
| 18:18.13 | CaKeY | christ, what a bunch of assholes. |
| 18:18.15 | Blissex | asg: 'wall' wont be seen if all they run is GUI apps with no terminals... |
| 18:18.18 | httpdss | yes, you hace the relational model ... network model ... herarchical model ... the network model is also called dbtg model |
| 18:18.20 | asg | abrotman: nevermind |
| 18:18.25 | asg | Blissex: I know, see above |
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| 18:18.28 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 18:18.42 | Blissex | asg: lag :-) |
| 18:18.43 | Kerr | asg: Will any show in X ? |
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| 18:18.47 | FieldySnuts | any what |
| 18:18.48 | abrotman | asg: are you sure? |
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| 18:19.06 | asg | Kerr: no, unless they are running an terminal app or somesuch |
| 18:19.21 | asg | abrotman: about what? |
| 18:19.29 | abrotman | neverminding |
| 18:19.32 | asg | hah |
| 18:19.48 | chefkoch | i have a problem, installing debian. think it is the network interface. i tried the netinstll debian sid amd 64 iso. |
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| 18:19.52 | Mardus | abrotman: The card is an s3trio 32/64/64v+ |
| 18:19.56 | httpdss | pipeline: examples would be .... adabas, image and total ... |
| 18:19.59 | asg | chefkoch: try #debian-amd64 |
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| 18:20.11 | chefkoch | thx |
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| 18:20.29 | abrotman | Mardus: afaik you've got two options .. use X3.3.6 or upgrade to sarge and pray it works there |
| 18:20.35 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure 4.1 won't work |
| 18:20.52 | asg | abrotman: it doesn't work for some cards with sarge/sid either. S3 is crap in that respect. |
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| 18:20.58 | SpamHog | Is the D-I RC2 _HD_ install media broken (like floppies & business card) by the preparations for RC3? The breakage announcement doesn't say... |
| 18:21.10 | abrotman | asg: no .. S3 is crap. |
| 18:21.18 | pipeline | SpamHog: hdinstall media are for installing FROM a hard drive, no? |
| 18:21.30 | asg | SpamHog: no. Check the errata for rc2 to be sure there isn't some borkage in rc2 that affects you though. |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | SpamHog: read the page .. debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. it's right at the top |
| 18:21.31 | abrotman | jeez |
| 18:21.34 | asg | !win abrotman |
| 18:21.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:21.46 | suzzi_ | hello all |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
| 18:21.49 | suzzi_ | quick question |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | you konw .. that |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | jeez |
| 18:22.00 | SpamHog | pileline: yes, u bung an initrd.gz + vmlinuz & fire them up with a lilo |
| 18:22.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:22.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:23.01 | intero | which was the factoid with the list of the things needed in the kernek to use a usb stick? |
| 18:23.09 | asg | intero: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 18:23.13 | intero | thanks asac |
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| 18:23.18 | intero | asg ^^^ |
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| 18:23.29 | suzzi_ | How would I go about getting around my firewall at school? they dont allow ssh out any more but I need to get to my box so I can grab my homework? is there a way that I can set up something that will listen for SSH traffic on 80 on my box? I still need to have appache running on 80 though or I would just have SSHD listen to 80? |
| 18:23.32 | asg | intero: use /msg dpkg listkeys <keywords> ; /msg dpkg listvals <keywords> to find factoids |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | suzzi_: look in the SSH config |
| 18:23.53 | asg | suzzi_: httptunnel |
| 18:23.59 | httpdss | dpkg is taking a nap .. he doesnt answer .. |
| 18:24.19 | suzzi_ | abrotman: cool I'll take a look |
| 18:24.28 | suzzi_ | asg: cool I'll see what that is all about |
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| 18:24.34 | asg | httpdss: he does, just not for you. leave irc and come back. It should be fixed then. |
| 18:24.38 | intero | asg: thanks alot :) one more thing... i have never seen a pen on "uba1", have you? |
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| 18:24.50 | dambodog | i need to install 7 servers all with the same hardware configuration. what is a good way to setup a single hd with the correct configruation and then duplicating that hd across all the servers so i won't have to install debian seperatly? |
| 18:24.51 | asg | intero: no, I can't say that I have. |
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| 18:24.59 | chefkoch | how about nforce4/marvell driver. are there known bugs? |
| 18:25.03 | asg | dambodog: /msg dpkg fai |
| 18:25.49 | SpamHog | Re. D-I: I reread the annoucement. break: businesscard CD image, netboot images, floppies; work: Netinst CD images, full CD images, booting from USB or floppy to install using those images; I see no mention of "HD MEDIA" - which is just 2 files. |
| 18:26.13 | SpamHog | Or? |
| 18:26.16 | asg | dambodog: if that's too complicated, create one server to your satisfaction. Use 'bootcd' to create a live cd that can also copy itself to the system it boots on. If you just need identical package, use the --get-selections / --set-selections options of dpkg |
| 18:26.42 | intero | asg: the problem is that theres no such device |
| 18:26.53 | asg | intero: hmmmm |
| 18:27.03 | abrotman | there is system-imager or something |
| 18:27.14 | pipeline | chefkoch: Known bugs get fixed. The scary ones are the ones nobody tells you about. |
| 18:27.21 | abrotman | SpamHog: maybe you're just not doing it right ? |
| 18:27.26 | asg | intero: that might be something devfs/udev related but I don't know. Someone else might. |
| 18:27.28 | bahamat | abrotman: g4u, netbsd based ghost for unix |
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| 18:28.01 | chefkoch | yeah! right. |
| 18:28.08 | intero | asg: thanks |
| 18:28.36 | asg | intero: you're welcome |
| 18:28.37 | chefkoch | i have a gigabit lan-card nf4 and it doesn t work |
| 18:28.43 | chefkoch | can t get it up |
| 18:28.49 | Kiowas | I installed X and kde using apt-get and it now automatically gives me a graphical login screen. How can I change to classic linux behavior? I dont want the graphical interface to start up unless I type startx |
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| 18:29.03 | abrotman | bahamat: there's a package called system-imager |
| 18:29.45 | SpamHog | abrotman: doing what? I am asking if anyone knows, so I avoid getting out an extra PC to slip in a HD... |
| 18:30.01 | asg | Kiowas: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:30.15 | abrotman | bahamat: systemimager is the name |
| 18:30.28 | abrotman | SpamHog: ask #debian-boot maybe? |
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| 18:31.01 | matlads | !bootcd |
| 18:31.10 | insanekane | !bootcd |
| 18:31.25 | Mardus | abrotman, et al: Which way to downgrade to 3.3.6? |
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| 18:31.42 | Mardus | To downgrade to Xfree 3.3.6 |
| 18:31.51 | RichiH | !sdo |
| 18:31.55 | asg | Mardus: just install it xserver-s3 (or whatever the package is) |
| 18:31.55 | SpamHog | abrotmam: I'll give it a try... although it's a repository question, not a boot question :( thanks |
| 18:32.09 | matlads | damn apt is out |
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| 18:32.20 | asg | !botsnack |
| 18:32.20 | dpkg | asg: :) |
| 18:32.25 | RichiH | strange |
| 18:32.29 | matlads | s/apt/dpkg |
| 18:32.42 | asg | RichiH: it's having issues with some people periodically not being able to access it via /msg |
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| 18:32.54 | asg | RichiH: the only workaround I have is to leave irc and come back. |
| 18:33.05 | RichiH | asg: huh |
| 18:33.15 | matlads | asg:ah |
| 18:33.26 | RichiH | i thought that wonly was due to that massive netsplit some months ago |
| 18:33.43 | asg | RichiH: no, it started the other day. It happened to me and abrotman |
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| 18:34.18 | SpamHog | abrotman: aha!! what a misleading channel name... #debian-boot=D-I development thanks!!! |
| 18:34.33 | RichiH | asg: strange |
| 18:34.56 | asg | RichiH: very. I don't know if don knows about it either. |
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| 18:35.36 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: it seems dpkg has issues where it does not react to /msg unless you /cycle #debian - is this known? |
| 18:35.42 | RichiH | asg: he does, now |
| 18:35.45 | Kiowas | exit |
| 18:35.52 | DrPete | abrotman: sorry, really, busy. I have just installed shorewall, i noiced it installed not config files, apart from the shorewall.conf |
| 18:36.04 | DrPete | abrotman: is this normal? |
| 18:36.10 | asg | RichiH: :) |
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| 18:36.15 | dan2_ | asg: ping |
| 18:36.16 | RichiH | DrPete: check packages.debian.org to see |
| 18:36.24 | asg | dan2_: hiya, long time no see |
| 18:36.26 | RichiH | DrPete: or, do dpkg -L yourpackage on the console |
| 18:36.27 | dan2_ | asg: ya |
| 18:36.31 | asg | dan2_: busy? |
| 18:36.41 | petemc | dan2_: i think it puts the scripts in /usr/share/doc/shorewall/examples/ |
| 18:36.44 | petemc | gah |
| 18:36.48 | petemc | DrPete: ^^ |
| 18:36.57 | hennewou | hi, I have a laptop with a standby function, but if I restore from standby mode, my sound is messed up, but if I reload the sound driver, the problem is resolved. Anyone knows a workaround for this? |
| 18:37.12 | DrPete | ahh great thanks everyone |
| 18:37.26 | RichiH | DrPete: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=shorewall&version=testing&arch=all |
| 18:37.44 | RichiH | if you have stable or unstable, edit the url :) |
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| 18:38.38 | stouset | hennewou: Unfortunately, not all modules come out of a suspend yet. You can do something about it though... |
| 18:38.40 | DimmuR|away | is here anyone using mathematica under linux? |
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| 18:39.00 | abrotman | DrPete: i don't use it .. no idea |
| 18:39.20 | stouset | hennewou: edit /etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh, and add in a line to "rmmod <driver>" before the sleep and "modprobe <driver>" afterwards. |
| 18:39.31 | Mardus | asg, et al: So would apt-get install xserver-common-v3 install v3 over XF86 4.1? |
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| 18:40.04 | DrPete | thanks |
| 18:40.21 | hennewou | stouset: /etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh is a new file. Is this normal? |
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| 18:41.00 | asg | Mardus: xserver-s3 (it can coexist with v4. Just make sure that the v3 config is XF86Config |
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| 18:41.22 | asg | Mardus: and that you need to make sure 'XF86Config-4' doesn't exist. |
| 18:41.25 | abrotman | Mardus: honestly .. find a windows person to trade with .. S3 isn't worth the trouble :) |
| 18:41.27 | Mardus | asg, I have XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:41.46 | Mardus | abrotman: Well, I'm stuck with it... |
| 18:41.55 | S4nD3r_ | I need to run a command in 10 computers (linux), how to do that without remote computers ask password??? |
| 18:41.56 | abrotman | Mardus: oh .. bad luck .. sorry |
| 18:42.01 | asg | Mardus: then move it to UNUSED-XF86Config-4, install xserver-s3, configure it, and startx should work. |
| 18:42.19 | Mardus | Ah,ok... |
| 18:42.25 | asg | S4nD3r_: clusterssh |
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| 18:42.39 | stuartSan | how'd i check if my soundcard chip is supported from one of the oss modules from the kernel |
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| 18:42.59 | S4nD3r_ | asg, clusterssh ??? |
| 18:43.08 | S4nD3r_ | Oh, I will search about it |
| 18:43.21 | abrotman | asg: you should get that stutter looked at |
| 18:43.39 | asg | S4nD3r_: also, regular ssh, pub/priv keys, and a little shell also work |
| 18:44.00 | asg | abrotman: which stutter? |
| 18:44.06 | abrotman | exactly |
| 18:44.25 | hennewou | stouset: thanks it works |
| 18:44.29 | S4nD3r_ | but asg, is so difficult, because ask password |
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| 18:44.36 | Mardus | asg: XF86Config-4 doesn't exist. xserver-s3 appears to be on the hdd already |
| 18:44.50 | asg | S4nD3r_: then set up public/private keys for each machine so passwords aren't necessary. |
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| 18:45.27 | DrPete | petemc: thanks |
| 18:45.34 | DrPete | RichiH: thanks |
| 18:45.37 | S4nD3r_ | hummmm..... how is it ?? |
| 18:45.49 | Mardus | asg: I get the error of no config file. How will I generate it? Any setup move? |
| 18:45.56 | asg | Mardus: oh, and make sure /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/X11/XF86_S3 |
| 18:45.56 | RichiH | DrPete: np |
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| 18:46.43 | foureyes779_ | 5~ |
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| 18:47.05 | asg | Mardus: use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-s3' to reconfigure things once that is done. |
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| 18:47.21 | DrPete | Is the shorewall try feature any good, I dont fancy locking myself out |
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| 18:48.01 | oystrige | 0994657640789512694683983525957098258226205224894077267194782684826014769909026401363944374553050682 |
| 18:48.02 | wagglier | 0349625245174939965143142980919065925093722169646151570985838741059788595977297549893016175392846813 |
| 18:48.03 | peracute | 8268683868942774155991855925245953959431049972524680845987273644695848653836736222626099124608051243 |
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| 18:48.05 | khanman | lamer |
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| 18:48.07 | wagglier | 4403742007310578539062198387447808478489683321445713868751943506430218453191048481005370614680674919 |
| 18:48.07 | asg | !ops pi spam |
| 18:48.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pi spam |
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| 18:48.09 | wagglier | 2781911979399520614196634287544406437451237181921799983910159195618146751426912397489409071864942319 |
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| 18:48.13 | stuartSan | wtf |
| 18:48.14 | matlads | !ops |
| 18:48.15 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 18:48.26 | asg | caphuso: thanks |
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| 18:48.35 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@222.62.149.123] by caphuso |
| 18:48.36 | baz | heheh |
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| 18:48.39 | *** part/#debian taberdar (~dedicant@205.240.204.17) |
| 18:48.39 | *** mode/#Debian [+R] by alindeman |
| 18:48.40 | Ronin | ahh i see the children are on irc again |
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| 18:48.45 | RichiH | shit |
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| 18:48.53 | kneet | PI again? |
| 18:49.01 | baz | PI? |
| 18:49.03 | tdonahue | what was that? |
| 18:49.03 | insanekane | PI ? |
| 18:49.11 | asg | insanekane: 22/7 |
| 18:49.12 | kneet | Last time it was bots citing PI to each other |
| 18:49.12 | Ronin | pretty immature? |
| 18:49.14 | khanman | lame script kiddy |
| 18:49.14 | *** mode/#Debian [-R] by alindeman |
| 18:49.19 | baz | ah lol |
| 18:49.20 | tdonahue | ahhh |
| 18:49.20 | kneet | in sequence |
| 18:49.22 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
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| 18:49.29 | insanekane | asg: 22/7 ? |
| 18:49.36 | stuartSan | btw, when i type discover is it normal for it to go to the next line i prompt without showing anything |
| 18:49.40 | asg | !pi |
| 18:49.40 | dpkg | from memory, pi is 3.141592656589793238462643383729 |
| 18:49.44 | insanekane | asg: oh right ... i get it |
| 18:49.44 | asg | insanekane: ^^^ |
| 18:49.47 | Mardus | asg: symlinks are done that way: link file1 fil2 |
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| 18:49.56 | insanekane | asg: i thought it was some acronym :) |
| 18:49.59 | kneet | heh - so - we've got a bot that can do pi too :) |
| 18:50.00 | asg | Mardus: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-s3 (answer questions) |
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| 18:50.07 | Mardus | asg, ok |
| 18:50.30 | simonrvn | oh the stupid PI spam bots again... |
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| 18:51.38 | stuartSan | how can i check if discover really set up my soundcard without having to have linux hang when i ask it to make a sound |
| 18:52.22 | simonrvn | lsmod | less |
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| 18:52.28 | stuartSan | thanks |
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| 18:52.59 | ecentrik | omg |
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| 18:53.10 | RichiH | alindeman: :) |
| 18:53.13 | LoRez | it's easier to see them if it's not +R |
| 18:53.47 | Bebabo | lol |
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| 18:55.14 | takatumi | would have liked to know how rhythmed did it. you guys are all trigger fingers :P |
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| 18:56.13 | LoRez | If you guys can't talk, now would be a good time to register your nick. |
| 18:56.27 | LoRez | (when we've got the mode changed on the channel that is) |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | i can talk!! |
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| 18:56.37 | baz | ah, so that's what +R means |
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| 18:56.45 | srbaker | yo |
| 18:56.49 | dambodog | hi, i am trying to install my x306 ibm server. i am running into a problem defining and loading the raid driver on my kernel. there's some sort of adaptec HostRaid device on the machine(hardware raid1). I have tried to run the installation with aic7xxx and the other raid options and non of them work. any ideas? |
| 18:56.50 | edibletext | @test |
| 18:56.51 | ravenbird | Yes, edibletext, you're still online. |
| 18:56.52 | srbaker | i need to resize an ext3 partition. what tool should i use for that? |
| 18:56.59 | aardvark | !any ideas |
| 18:57.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:57.01 | kneet | As for registerd nicks - xchat is supposed to be able to show them - but I see no differenec in the client |
| 18:57.12 | dambodog | i am trying to run sarge 2.6 or 2.4 |
| 18:57.17 | abrotman | dambodog: make sure you have the driver .. or you know what it is at least |
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| 18:58.18 | stew | dambodog: you are using a recentl d-i? did you try giving it the linux26 parameter at the boot: prompt? |
| 18:58.56 | dambodog | stew i have tried to set a param. yes. i am using the latest d-i. |
| 18:59.25 | stew | do you know what kenrel driver you need to use for your raid? |
| 18:59.38 | dambodog | abrotman, how do I load the latest driver (if i ever find it) using my d-i installation? |
| 19:00.05 | takatumi | !kernal |
| 19:00.05 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 19:00.06 | abrotman | dambodog: find the driver first .. i suspect it is aic7xxxx |
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| 19:00.31 | dambodog | stew, i am not sure which one it is. I have some sort of adaptec HostRaid 1 that runs on ibm x306 server. Ibm does not have the specs of the machine:( |
| 19:00.41 | abrotman | sure they do |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | ibm has everything |
| 19:00.47 | stuartSan | does any of the software in gnome play mp3's or do i have to d/l winamp or something |
| 19:00.56 | abrotman | totem |
| 19:01.00 | abrotman | rthymbox |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | stuartSan: and cornerXMMS is kind of fun |
| 19:01.24 | directhex | stuartSan, rhythmbox is gnome's mp3 player, it has an itunesish interface |
| 19:01.27 | dambodog | abrotman, i spoke to their tech supp. and they said they did not have that infromation (which i find kindda sketchy) |
| 19:01.34 | abrotman | dambodog: they lied |
| 19:01.36 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, no it doesn't |
| 19:01.41 | stuartSan | can those play from websites that stream songs on winamp |
| 19:01.47 | directhex | WhiteRabbit, yes, it does |
| 19:01.49 | abrotman | oh .. xmms can do streams |
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| 19:02.04 | stuartSan | k |
| 19:02.12 | dambodog | abrotman, ideas on how to include the lastest driver of aic7xxx using d-i cd? |
| 19:02.13 | abrotman | dambodog: did you buy with the server? |
| 19:02.27 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, rhythmbox looks nothing like itunes what so ever |
| 19:02.43 | dambodog | abrotman, did i buy what with the server? |
| 19:02.57 | dambodog | abrotman, the raid? yes. it is a builtin hardware raid |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | dambodog: the RAID controlller? |
| 19:03.00 | directhex | WhiteRabbit, you're an idiot. |
| 19:03.01 | green_earz | stuartSan: check out streamtuner |
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| 19:03.03 | dambodog | abrotman, raid 1 |
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| 19:03.11 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, grow up. |
| 19:03.13 | dambodog | abrotman, using sata disks |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | dambodog: got the machine number? |
| 19:03.32 | directhex | WhiteRabbit, grow some brain cells? rhythmbox is a direct clone of the itunes interface |
| 19:03.53 | takatumi | haven't seen itunes or rhythmbox so don't know who's right. |
| 19:04.11 | baz | directhex is right |
| 19:04.13 | edibletext | !rhythmbox |
| 19:04.13 | dpkg | hmm... rhythmbox is a Gnome MP3 player which is good for large collections |
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| 19:04.23 | abrotman | directhex: didn't rythmbox start before itunes? |
| 19:04.28 | dambodog | abrotman, yep. i got a machine number:) |
| 19:04.29 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, Itunes looks like digital candy & has oval corners rhythmbox is blan & boring & has none of itunes rich features & apple itune store access so no its not |
| 19:04.38 | pipeline | abrotman, edibletext: Who put that moronic key in? Rhythmbox shits itself on large collections. |
| 19:04.39 | abrotman | dambodog: can i have it ? |
| 19:04.41 | dambodog | abrotman, do you wantit:) |
| 19:04.50 | baz | pipeline: FSVO 'large'... |
| 19:04.57 | directhex | abrotman, itunes has been around for a very long time |
| 19:05.04 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, Im sorry but you sound like your just repeating something you overheard. |
| 19:05.08 | abrotman | directhex: afaik .. rythymbox has also |
| 19:05.12 | dambodog | abrotman, machine type : 8836 S/N kp-bcf56 |
| 19:05.13 | pipeline | baz: In this day and age, "large" is > 100G |
| 19:05.13 | edibletext | !factinfo rhythmbox |
| 19:05.13 | dpkg | rhythmbox -- created by Brown <~chris@195.137.35.48> at Tue Oct 28 15:23:50 2003 (506 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by edibletext, 1m ago. |
| 19:05.14 | directhex | WhiteRabbit, christ, you're telling ME to grow up? you're a fucktard |
| 19:05.24 | pipeline | WhiteRabbit: Have you LOOKED at iTunes? It's exactly the same |
| 19:05.34 | edibletext | !spank brown |
| 19:05.44 | pipeline | WhiteRabbit: And iTunes in itself is a clone of an interface that Apple bought from someone else, that's several years older. |
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| 19:06.04 | pipeline | Unless Rhythmbox is substantially older than GTK 2.0, there's no way it predates the iTunes interface. |
| 19:06.19 | Shadowarrior13 | How do I crate another user through the root account? |
| 19:06.23 | Shadowarrior13 | create* |
| 19:06.27 | directhex | pipeline, which it isn't & doesn't. this is a silly argument based in stevejobsism |
| 19:06.30 | caphuso | Shadowarrior13: adduser |
| 19:06.32 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, pipeline, -- This http://www.rhythmbox.org/screenshots/Screenshot-Rhythmbox.png looks nothing like http://www.nobi.com/nobilog/archives/archives/ituneswin.JPG |
| 19:06.32 | pipeline | Shadowarrior13: Either run "users-admin" or run the "adduser" script. |
| 19:06.33 | asg | Shadowarrior13: man adduser |
| 19:06.45 | Shadowarrior13 | K |
| 19:06.46 | edibletext | Shadowarrior13, you mean creat ;) |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | pipeline: started in 2002 |
| 19:07.06 | abrotman | pipeline: early 2002 |
| 19:07.06 | stuartSan | totem could not startup, resource busy or unavailable? |
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| 19:07.23 | pipeline | WhiteRabbit: You're either a moron or a troll. That's the itunes store browser. The library browser is almost pixel for pixel identical. |
| 19:07.25 | WhiteRabbit | directhex, pipeline rhythmbox looks like a fews that are stacked in the area of apples grace but its no Itunes what so ever so dont compare it to it just because of the cell spacing |
| 19:07.25 | abrotman | http://www.rhythmbox.org/ |
| 19:07.26 | asg | edibletext: you mean create :) |
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| 19:07.32 | edibletext | !creat |
| 19:07.32 | dpkg | Unix co-creator Ken Thompson, when asked what he would do differently if he were redesigning Unix, said, "... spell `creat' with an E." |
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| 19:07.33 | abrotman | but if you read it .. says it was inspired by itunes |
| 19:07.37 | pipeline | abrotman, WhiteRabbit: Yeah, only about five years too late to not be a knockoff. |
| 19:07.43 | ILF | i can't get my d-link dge-530t nic to run :( |
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| 19:07.46 | directhex | WhiteRabbit, steve jobs is that way, in need of penis massage -> |
| 19:07.48 | edibletext | heh |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't remember when itunes came out |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | Rhythmbox is an integrated music management application, originally inspired by Apple's iTunes. It is free software, designed to work well under the GNOME Desktop, and based on the powerful GStreamer media framework, or the Xine framework. |
| 19:08.03 | pipeline | abrotman: iTunes is an application Apple bought off of someone else. |
| 19:08.18 | pipeline | abrotman: The existing licensed users were kind of pissed when they found out that it was going to be a free app :P |
| 19:08.18 | Panzerboy | pipeline: yeah, i also read that |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | dambodog: no machine number ? |
| 19:08.27 | Panzerboy | it wasn't free afaik |
| 19:08.39 | pipeline | Panzerboy, abrotman: no, it was actually pretty pricey. |
| 19:08.43 | Panzerboy | there was this guy who developed another music app |
| 19:08.48 | Panzerboy | and he wrote in his blog |
| 19:08.55 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't own a mac .. dn't care :) |
| 19:09.01 | Panzerboy | that *his* app could have been the iTunes :) |
| 19:09.01 | abrotman | i buy CDs .. |
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| 19:09.26 | coalball | 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 |
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| 19:09.31 | karsten | !botspam |
| 19:09.35 | karsten | !ops botspam |
| 19:09.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: botspam |
| 19:09.40 | takatumi | sons of a bitches are at it again. |
| 19:09.43 | pinu | hi i have compiled a new kernel and copied and insert it into grub but when i reboot and i'll check with uname -a the new version he gives me the old out ? can somehelp me :) |
| 19:09.44 | baz | cool |
| 19:09.48 | dambodog | abrotman, i only have MT - 8836 -2SU |
| 19:09.48 | LoRez | karsten: they're getting klined. |
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| 19:10.05 | jjazz | What is all that spam for? |
| 19:10.08 | Shadowarrior13 | How do I go back to the login screen, whenever I type "login", it says I have to exec "login" from the lowest level "sh |
| 19:10.11 | bur[n]er | anyone know how to use awstats debian package? I'm not sure where to go... localhost/awstats.pl doesn't show anything |
| 19:10.11 | abrotman | dambodog: that will work |
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| 19:10.15 | edibletext | jjazz, ffs |
| 19:10.22 | jjazz | edibletext: what's ffs? |
| 19:10.24 | abrotman | jjazz: they love us |
| 19:10.26 | edibletext | !ffs |
| 19:10.27 | dpkg | methinks ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 19:10.30 | dvs | !ops eXpReSs minK are spammers |
| 19:10.30 | directhex | Shadowarrior13, log out of the existing terminal, or do a sub-login with 'su username' |
| 19:10.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eXpReSs minK are spammers |
| 19:10.31 | Mardus | Am back |
| 19:10.37 | edibletext | jjazz, the first one |
| 19:10.55 | asg | bur[n]er: localhost/cgi-bin/awstats.pl |
| 19:11.02 | bur[n]er | thanks asg |
| 19:11.04 | jjazz | abrotman: aw... I heart robots. But I want them smart enough to speak English. |
| 19:11.23 | takatumi | Disputin: are you as spammer as well? |
| 19:11.24 | surrounder | is is possible to keep your system when you copy data from one partition to another on the new installer ( from sarge) ? |
| 19:11.32 | bur[n]er | asg: nothin :\ |
| 19:11.39 | alindeman | takatumi: I don't think so |
| 19:11.39 | karsten | surrounder: Yes. |
| 19:11.42 | bur[n]er | anything i have to do besides apt-get install awstats? |
| 19:11.44 | surrounder | as in, copying my debian system ( complete) to a bigger partition? |
| 19:11.49 | green_earz | ILF: use modconf to install its driver and etherconf to set its ip |
| 19:12.01 | Mardus | I got xf86v3 configured now, I guess. The last question by debconf was about files section of the xserver config file. |
| 19:12.03 | surrounder | karsten: anything I have to think about? (except bootloader) ? |
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| 19:12.11 | karsten | surrounder: Migrating your system does *not* require a reinstall. |
| 19:12.15 | karsten | surrounder: That's pretty much it. |
| 19:12.20 | green_earz | ILF: is ifconfig showing the card ? |
| 19:12.36 | surrounder | karsten: aaah okay, thanks :) |
| 19:12.36 | karsten | surrounder: If you're _cloning_ a system, then the hostname and IP assignments may also have to be changed. |
| 19:12.49 | Mardus | asg: startx won't work and it still tells me it's 4.1 |
| 19:12.53 | surrounder | just moving to another partition |
| 19:13.18 | directhex | Mardus, what graphics card are you trying to use? |
| 19:13.24 | edibletext | surrounder, you may have to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the change in paritions |
| 19:13.28 | surrounder | debian is going to replace slackware as main OS on my machine :) |
| 19:13.30 | Mardus | directhex: that s3 |
| 19:13.38 | surrounder | edibletext: aah sure, thanks |
| 19:13.54 | directhex | Mardus, s3 have made more than one GPU. give me an idication of how old the chip is |
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| 19:14.15 | redduck666 | i was searching for a comparison of xfree86 vs x.org and i come across two faqs ( http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml , lost the link to other one) both of those faqs keept writing that debian will not tolerate the terms of new xfree86 licence, but debian still uses xfree86. can anyone explain to me why? |
| 19:14.16 | Mardus | directhex, like S3 Trio64V+ |
| 19:14.31 | directhex | Mardus, oh god, one of THEM. nothing but trouble. |
| 19:14.44 | ILF | green_earz: nope, just my other d-link (de-528) |
| 19:14.58 | pipeline | Mardus: Break it in half and throw both pieces away. |
| 19:14.58 | directhex | redduck666, it uses a modified version of xfree86 4.3, with an oldere accepatble license |
| 19:15.11 | pipeline | Mardus: It only supports 8bit and 24bit color and doesn't have enough memory or horsepower to do a reasonable resolution at either. |
| 19:15.16 | Mardus | pipeline: Well, I can still see Windoze in it. |
| 19:15.23 | pipeline | Mardus: No, no you can't. Kill it with fire. |
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| 19:15.35 | redduck666 | directhex, thanks |
| 19:15.37 | directhex | redduck666, xorg is based on xfree86 4.4 rc2, since it changed its license just afterwards. debian uses something based on xorg and xfree86 4.3 |
| 19:15.39 | Mardus | pipeline: I can, it does well on 800x600x16bit |
| 19:15.54 | Mardus | But not here |
| 19:15.58 | pipeline | Mardus: See my first statement about "reasonable resolutions" |
| 19:16.01 | directhex | redduck666, i.e. most of the 4.3 back-end, with lots of hardware support and drivers back-ported from xorg |
| 19:16.14 | pipeline | Mardus: And I'm surprised it even supports 16 bit color. I had one, and I could only get 8-bit OR 24-bit. |
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| 19:16.51 | directhex | i had a v64+. my tv card had a special note for users of it, saying 'this card is crap, to work with our products, you need this TSR bios update for it' |
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| 19:17.16 | Mardus | Well, the problem is that I symlinked /etc/X11/X to /usr/bin/XF86_V3 something, then did dpkg-reconfigure and then nothing... |
| 19:17.45 | takatumi | Mardus: why are you fiddling with these symlinks? |
| 19:17.58 | directhex | Mardus, what made you do that, exactly? |
| 19:18.03 | redduck666 | directhex, if i got it right it would be kinda pointless to change what debian is using with x.org? |
| 19:18.09 | Mardus | takatumi, No, I already did symlink. |
| 19:18.20 | Mardus | takatumi, 'cause I want X. |
| 19:18.20 | edibletext | heh |
| 19:18.37 | directhex | redduck666, there are some advantages, which are largely outweighed by the fact that it's not in debian & you'd lose any semblance of easy-to-adminness |
| 19:18.43 | Mardus | directhex: I want x, asg told me how... |
| 19:18.58 | green_earz | ILF: what may be of help is apt-get install etherconf to help setup the cards ? |
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| 19:20.36 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.02 | ILF | green_earz: it's installed |
| 19:21.05 | ILF | should i run it? |
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| 19:21.23 | ILF | green_earz: dmesg | grep eth only shows one, too |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | Mardus: it still isn't owrking? |
| 19:21.52 | abrotman | Mardus: install x3.3 .. should work |
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| 19:22.16 | green_earz | ILF: so it not been found on the boot |
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| 19:23.00 | green_earz | ILF: leave etherconf untill you get the card found |
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| 19:23.19 | Mardus | btw, I now know how to get that CNet PowerNIC ISA NIC (models CN200Eplus, CN600Eplus, CN650Eplus to work... One thing was that this particular one wasn't set to be PnP, although it can be. It or they are all ne compat and the catch is getting the driver to recognise them. |
| 19:23.52 | valdyn | Mardus: modprobe ne irq=rightone io=0xrightone |
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| 19:24.15 | ILF | green_earz: got it with "modprobe sk98lin" |
| 19:24.17 | Mardus | valdyn: Only that it didn't work anyhow for me for like months. |
| 19:24.51 | valdyn | Mardus: so its set to pnp, the values werent right , or its not ne2k |
| 19:25.09 | green_earz | ILF: then use modconf help install that driver |
| 19:25.18 | valdyn | Mardus: oh, or some other device is on just that ioport / irq |
| 19:25.20 | Mardus | valdyn: it is technically pnp, but not, because some sick fsck didn't set the jumpers riht |
| 19:25.34 | gollum1 | hello guys, I have a problem with my graphic card (geforce Fx 5200), debian didn't figure it out, the X says that there is no such device. I picked the nv driver i Xfree-86 but it didn't help, any suggestion? |
| 19:25.43 | directhex | gollum1, which version of debian? |
| 19:25.50 | gollum1 | I woody |
| 19:25.52 | valdyn | Mardus: try to see info w/ pnpdump |
| 19:25.58 | directhex | !tell gollum1 about x hardware support |
| 19:26.02 | gollum1 | 3.0r4 |
| 19:26.03 | directhex | gah |
| 19:26.07 | directhex | !tell gollum1 about woody hardware support |
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| 19:26.14 | gollum1 | ? |
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| 19:26.23 | directhex | ffs |
| 19:26.28 | directhex | !woofy hardware support |
| 19:26.31 | directhex | shitting hell :| |
| 19:26.33 | directhex | !wood#y hardware support |
| 19:26.37 | asg | !woody hardware support |
| 19:26.37 | dpkg | i guess woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 19:26.38 | directhex | someone else type it |
| 19:26.40 | baz | lol directhex |
| 19:26.41 | directhex | !beer asg |
| 19:26.45 | asg | directhex: thanks :) |
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| 19:27.08 | gollum1 | thanks |
| 19:27.10 | Mardus | valdyn: so I had the users manual, then did pager /proc/ioports and interrupts and (pnpdump didn't help btw) and began trying with io=0xBlah |
| 19:27.11 | directhex | gollum1, comprende? |
| 19:27.17 | gollum1 | yep |
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| 19:27.22 | gollum1 | thnx |
| 19:27.24 | Mardus | The user's manual was the magic book |
| 19:28.10 | PD_Dingo | stouset: thanks, for your help bud, i ended up using teapop because i liked the features/configuration/docs better .. :) |
| 19:28.12 | Mardus | The IRQ was assigned automatically |
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| 19:28.29 | chealer | directhex: did you got X problems too? :) |
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| 19:28.49 | Mardus | I wonder if thoreauputic or Phated still frequent here... |
| 19:28.50 | valdyn | Mardus: so you just had to hit the right ioport only? |
| 19:28.51 | directhex | chealer, no, X works perfectly for me |
| 19:29.07 | valdyn | Mardus: /msg dpkg seen <user> |
| 19:29.16 | chealer | directhex: including your keyboard stuff? ;) |
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| 19:29.24 | Mardus | valdyn: Mhmh... I came to this idea when I couldn't get that same nic to work in win95 |
| 19:29.35 | directhex | chealer, that's brain defects, not X defects |
| 19:30.00 | Mardus | valdyn: thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:30.10 | chealer | directhex: oh, I thought it was a real problem :) |
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| 19:30.52 | Mardus | epic4 is so cool and helpful... Mirc looks like a disney comic compared to it |
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| 19:33.51 | ludi | Anyone recommend a good window manager for Windows XP besides Windows Explorer? |
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| 19:34.06 | PerfDave | ludi: Installing Debian :) |
| 19:34.09 | ludi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.14 | SexyKen | Anyone know why I'd get these errors contantly: Mar 17 13:39:58 WARNING[30522]: chan_sip.c:739 retrans_pkt: Maximum retries exceeded on call af25c4cb-22e99cf5-68af61e4@192.168.1.125 for seqno 106 (Non-critical Request) |
| 19:34.20 | Mardus | ludi: WindowBlinds? |
| 19:34.28 | SexyKen | I'm not even trying to make calls. |
| 19:34.31 | SexyKen | And I get that error. |
| 19:34.32 | C17H21NO4 | ludi: aston |
| 19:34.36 | ludi | PerfDave: I have debian at work and at home |
| 19:34.45 | PerfDave | ludi: Then why do you need anything for XP? :) |
| 19:34.53 | ludi | Half-Life2 |
| 19:34.56 | ludi | some other games |
| 19:35.52 | foureyes779_ | ludi: BB4win |
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| 19:38.45 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring... |
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| 19:40.10 | directhex | BANANAPHONE |
| 19:40.22 | directhex | sorry :( |
| 19:40.52 | directhex | ludi, you need windows xp for half life 2? |
| 19:40.55 | Topclass | hi does anyonyone know what kernel headers are for kernel version 2.6.8-1-386? |
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| 19:41.11 | ludi | directhex: I could run it in Wine but I don't want to do that |
| 19:41.19 | directhex | Topclass, 2.6.8-1-* have been removed. update to a 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:41.33 | Topclass | you mean update the kernel? |
| 19:41.37 | foureyes779_ | ludi: BB4win |
| 19:41.40 | directhex | Topclass, yes |
| 19:41.48 | directhex | http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/linuxgaming/halflife2-small.jpg |
| 19:41.50 | directhex | worksforme |
| 19:41.57 | Topclass | how do i do that? im fairly new to linux |
| 19:42.15 | phaedral | howdy; anyone know a place to apt-get realplayer? don't really want it, but need it for school |
| 19:42.20 | dvs | Topclass: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
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| 19:42.23 | directhex | Topclass, what CPU do you have? |
| 19:42.23 | ludi | directhex: You have a subscription to Winex? |
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| 19:42.31 | directhex | ludi, cedega, yes |
| 19:42.37 | Topclass | amd 1800= |
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| 19:42.45 | Topclass | + even |
| 19:42.59 | directhex | Topclass, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 19:43.09 | directhex | dinnertime \o/ |
| 19:43.23 | phaedral | directhex: ciao for chow |
| 19:43.24 | Topclass | i guess thats after the kernel install :) |
| 19:43.30 | takatumi | directhex: any pointers on installation? (halflife2) |
| 19:43.34 | dvs | Topclass: that IS the kernel install |
| 19:43.38 | directhex | Topclass, that IS the kernel install |
| 19:43.40 | jojotheclown | !dpkg unrar |
| 19:43.40 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 19:43.46 | directhex | takatumi, justworks(tm) for me |
| 19:43.49 | Topclass | oh thanks |
| 19:44.24 | jojotheclown | how would i install unrar |
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| 19:44.53 | phaedral | if realplayer isn't apt-getable, anyone with hints/warnings about installing rpm? |
| 19:44.58 | asg | jojotheclown: apt-get install it (after adding non-free to your sources) |
| 19:45.02 | psycose | jojotheclown: man apt-get, man sources.list |
| 19:45.26 | anoo | hi all - silly question when someone has a moment? |
| 19:45.32 | ricky_clarkson | !info realplayer |
| 19:45.33 | dvs | anoo: no |
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| 19:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | anoo: You just asked it. |
| 19:45.52 | chealer | !rpm |
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| 19:45.57 | anoo | how about one more? not counting that one. :) |
| 19:46.03 | chealer | heh, there's no factoid about rpm? |
| 19:46.04 | ricky_clarkson | anoo: There was your second. |
| 19:46.07 | chealer | !alien |
| 19:46.10 | ricky_clarkson | !ping |
| 19:46.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison ... |
| 19:46.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 19:46.24 | chealer | dpkg was just lazy |
| 19:46.24 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:46.41 | chealer | bots should be written in C |
| 19:46.51 | ricky_clarkson | !ops too many ping bots - themolester and sessiz "notice" me when I run !ping. |
| 19:47.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you killed him! |
| 19:47.14 | ricky_clarkson | !ping |
| 19:47.19 | abrotman | !ping |
| 19:47.20 | FarrisG | can any one tell me which package contains ide_info? |
| 19:47.23 | abrotman | holy god |
| 19:47.26 | asg | FarrisG: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:47.29 | anoo | new to debian - got my desktop set for 1024x768, and the monitor at 800x600. easiest way to catch the monitor up? what tool? |
| 19:47.29 | dvs | dpkg is resting |
| 19:47.35 | abrotman | dpkg: hola |
| 19:47.38 | abrotman | he really is |
| 19:47.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: too many ping bots - themolester and sessiz "notice" me when I run !ping. |
| 19:47.45 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:47.46 | phaedral | alien it is; thanks bunches |
| 19:47.48 | dpkg | privet, abrotman |
| 19:47.54 | LoRez | !ping |
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| 19:48.20 | abrotman | !beer LoRez |
| 19:48.23 | ricky_clarkson | merci beaucoup. |
| 19:48.26 | valdyn | anoo: ctrl-alt-+ does it? |
| 19:48.53 | phaedral | abrotman: who stocked the boddingtons? please, can I have one!? |
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| 19:49.11 | abrotman | !beer phaedral |
| 19:49.16 | abrotman | guess not |
| 19:49.20 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, that's better, Boddingtons sans apostrophe. |
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| 19:49.48 | phaedral | no complaints about guiness either; just no one in my meatspace even know boddingtons |
| 19:50.04 | asg | phaedral: plenty do, just not in your meatspace |
| 19:50.04 | phaedral | many thanks |
| 19:50.11 | anoo | my heroes. much better, thanks. i'll try to have something a less meathead to ask next time I hop in. thanks again. |
| 19:50.21 | phaedral | asg: so true; hence the flight to the keyboard |
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| 19:50.29 | abrotman | wtf is a meat space ? |
| 19:50.29 | Topclass | hi afer the kernel is installed do i need to restart for it to take effect? |
| 19:50.31 | Zambba_ | Uhhm I'm not sure for how much of Hz's my display can stand :P |
| 19:50.34 | asg | abrotman: RL |
| 19:50.38 | asg | phaedral: indeed |
| 19:50.40 | abrotman | asg: butchers? |
| 19:50.41 | phaedral | !meatspace |
| 19:50.42 | phaedral | :) |
| 19:50.44 | dvs | Topclass: yes |
| 19:50.45 | asg | abrotman: real life |
| 19:50.46 | takatumi | Topclass: yes. |
| 19:50.49 | Topclass | k thanks |
| 19:51.02 | Zambba_ | Can I solve it somehow and set more optimal Hz rate to my display? |
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| 19:51.19 | abrotman | asg: what's that? |
| 19:51.30 | abrotman | Zambba_: find the docs |
| 19:51.43 | asg | abrotman: something I heard about once. |
| 19:51.46 | Zambba_ | I've bought this display used and I don't have any docs |
| 19:51.49 | chrysopa | Hi, how to view the pci devices without the lspci command? |
| 19:51.50 | Zambba_ | So you can't say RTFM |
| 19:52.03 | valdyn | Zambba_: RTFM after you googled for it |
| 19:52.13 | Zambba_ | And this display is only ADI MicroScan without any model numbers :S |
| 19:52.13 | asg | Zambba_: then google for specs on your device and read *that* fucking manual |
| 19:52.21 | chrysopa | the cat /proc/bus/pci dont work |
| 19:52.33 | Mardus | Zambba_: Yes, we can. The monitor has the producer and model written on it, googles these |
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| 19:52.54 | Mardus | Zambba_: Look at the back of the monitor. |
| 19:52.57 | chrysopa | the cat /proc/bus/pci/devices dont show a readable output |
| 19:53.00 | valdyn | Zambba_: plenty info should be on its backside |
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| 19:53.36 | asg | Zambba_: read-edid might also provide useful. |
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| 19:53.40 | Mardus | Zambba_: And if not on the back, then for the sake of it, check the underside too |
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| 19:53.47 | dvs | chrysopa: apt-get install pciutils |
| 19:54.03 | dvs | chrysopa: Actually, why can't you use lspci? |
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| 19:54.23 | chrysopa | dvs: its is not possible, I using the Tom' root disk. |
| 19:54.38 | KonvIRC | Any |
| 19:54.42 | KonvIRC | erm, sorry |
| 19:54.46 | chrysopa | I try to discover the ethernet model |
| 19:54.48 | gsp | I am having trouble getting my user permission to use a mounted drive... I set it as "user" in fstab... is there something else I need to do? |
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| 19:55.01 | dmp3 | Does anybody here know anything about debian on hppa? |
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| 19:55.13 | valdyn | gsp: man chmod |
| 19:55.23 | Mardus | dmp3: Welcome to Moya... |
| 19:55.24 | Zambba_ | Well there isn't any manual for this model on ADI.com.tw |
| 19:55.30 | dmp3 | Mardus: Moya? |
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| 19:55.33 | asg | dmp3: greycat does but he isn't here right now |
| 19:55.34 | Zambba_ | This display seems to be 11 years old.. :( |
| 19:55.42 | Mardus | dmp3: Moya from Farscape |
| 19:55.44 | Ragan | Isn't there any way to avoid rebooting when installing a new kernel? I really hate having to reboot 3-4 times per year. =( |
| 19:55.53 | travisat | dmp3: I scared him away |
| 19:56.01 | asg | Ragan: no |
| 19:56.11 | dmp3 | The sarge cds boot, but cannot mount the initrd, so it fails there. The woody cds dont even boot |
| 19:56.21 | Mardus | Zambba_: Ah, google all over it, not just the producer site. |
| 19:56.35 | Zambba_ | Mardus: I did google and found something :) |
| 19:56.36 | valdyn | Ragan: sure, patch it in /proc/kcore, not easy though ;) |
| 19:56.43 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can know the upload/download speed? |
| 19:56.52 | Ragan | valdyn, cool =) |
| 19:56.56 | Zambba_ | Other name for this display seems to be ADI Microscan 3V/LR :P |
| 19:56.56 | Mardus | Zambba_, well good for you |
| 19:57.00 | asg | Belping--: of what? |
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| 19:57.07 | Mardus | LOL |
| 19:57.15 | abrotman | Zambba_: just pick 75hz .. should be fine |
| 19:57.17 | Zambba_ | And one site says: H Freq/ V Freq: 30-50 Khz / 50-100 Hz |
| 19:57.23 | Belping-- | asg: just overall going through the network card |
| 19:57.28 | Ragan | Belping--, touch the cable, the hotter the more you are down/uploading |
| 19:57.30 | Belping-- | asg: like dumeter for windows |
| 19:57.31 | asg | Belping--: try ntop or iptraf |
| 19:57.32 | Zambba_ | What does that mean? Does that mean I could put 75Hz for example? |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | it means .. 800x600@75hz should work |
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| 19:58.26 | Zambba_ | Ok. How can I change these settings I made when I installed this OS? I selected on that moment "800 x 600 @ 65 Hz" :( |
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| 19:58.34 | Belping-- | asg: thanks |
| 19:58.37 | asg | Zambba_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:58.39 | abrotman | !drxx Zambba_ |
| 19:58.40 | dpkg | Zambba_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:58.55 | Topclass | hello i dont think this kernel install worked :( how do i find out what version is currently installed now? |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 19:59.04 | asg | !cake abrotman |
| 19:59.06 | Mardus | abrotman: I already have xserver-common-v3, but that doesn't help much |
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| 19:59.11 | abrotman | !pie asg |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:59.16 | asg | hah |
| 19:59.17 | Ragan | Topclass, uname -r |
| 19:59.28 | Mardus | And then I went through a few config routines and nothing |
| 19:59.30 | Topclass | still says 2.6.8-1-386 :( |
| 19:59.47 | dvs | Topclass: Do you use grub or lilo? |
| 19:59.50 | Ragan | Topclass, do you use grub or lilo? |
| 19:59.53 | Topclass | lilo |
| 19:59.57 | Mardus | I use a diskette |
| 20:00.04 | abrotman | Dew ewe use grub or lilo |
| 20:00.05 | dvs | What am I? an echo? |
| 20:00.11 | Ragan | lol |
| 20:00.13 | asg | !sheep abrotman |
| 20:00.14 | Zambba_ | And when I done "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" do I need to restart X or something? How can I do that? Sorry that I am so stupid n00b.. :| |
| 20:00.17 | abrotman | !goat asg |
| 20:00.19 | surrounder | What am I? an echo? |
| 20:00.25 | abrotman | !animal asg |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:00.27 | Ragan | What am I? an echo? |
| 20:00.35 | surrounder | :) |
| 20:00.35 | abrotman | what is this .. kindergarten? |
| 20:00.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:00.41 | surrounder | a\o/ |
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| 20:01.38 | Mardus | Zambba: If you don't have x working, you probably won't have to restart x |
| 20:01.42 | Ragan | Topclass, then configure lilo to run the new kernel |
| 20:01.59 | dvs | Topclass, then configure.... oh sheesh |
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| 20:02.35 | Topclass | hehe sorry but im not sure how to do that (explains again he's very new to linux) |
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| 20:02.43 | abrotman | do what? |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:02.48 | Ragan | dvs, hehe |
| 20:03.06 | dvs | Topclass: Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file. |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | Topclass: Edit your /etc/lilo.conf file. |
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| 20:03.19 | abrotman | sorry |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | i couldn't resist |
| 20:03.34 | Ragan | Topclass, do you use KDE? |
| 20:03.49 | Topclass | yes |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | one would hope not |
| 20:03.54 | abrotman | but gnome has the same tools |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | !scream at dvs |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:04.10 | Ragan | Topclass, launch Control Center from K menu, go to sys admin and then lilo conf |
| 20:04.25 | dvs | Topclass: What Ragan said ;-) |
| 20:04.43 | Ragan | abrotman, yeah, but usually KDE is used when you are new for some reason |
| 20:04.49 | abrotman | this is what's wrong with america's youth .. they just don't understand vi ... |
| 20:04.50 | Zambba_ | Uhhmm it asks me for Bus identifier. What's that? I have my ATI on AGP. |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | blank |
| 20:04.58 | Mardus | So, me with that s3trio64v+... Should I completely remove the existing xf 4.1 and then install something in its place? |
| 20:05.01 | takatumi | Zambba_: enter. |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | Ragan: not me :) |
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| 20:05.20 | abrotman | Mardus: that's your best bet .. 3.3.6 .. or attempt to use the X in sarge |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | if that would even work |
| 20:05.30 | abrotman | !fuck s3 |
| 20:05.30 | Ragan | abrotman, and also, I'm a psychic |
| 20:05.41 | abrotman | Ragan: or you live across the hall ? |
| 20:05.43 | Topclass | lilo does not appear in the control center but i have opened the file in k edit and im looking at the entry for Linux. any idea which bit needs changing |
| 20:06.18 | dvs | Topclass: make the first image= point to the new kernel |
| 20:06.31 | Ragan | Topclass, be sure to launch kedit as root. you can run this command from k menu 'kdesu kedit' and open the file there |
| 20:06.36 | abrotman | Topclass: are you sure you use lilo ? |
| 20:06.47 | abrotman | most kernels fix lilo or grub |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | but oh well |
| 20:07.04 | Topclass | positive i had to insall it manualy cos the debian installation for me was anything but smooth |
| 20:07.17 | Topclass | i see a line saying |
| 20:07.17 | Topclass | image=/vmlinuz |
| 20:07.17 | Mardus | abrotman: well, I once did that... I think that not having a working X means I've got nothing to lose with it anyway |
| 20:07.27 | Ragan | Topclass, hmm, which debian version are you running? |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | Mardus: good plan |
| 20:07.38 | dvs | Topclass: in a command line, what does "ls -l /vmlinuz" say? |
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| 20:08.48 | gsp | I'm lost... I changed permissions on the directory I want to access to 0777 and I still can't use it! |
| 20:08.49 | Zambba_ | okay, now I have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. I've done it from X, so I may have to restart X? How can I do that? :$ |
| 20:09.05 | abrotman | Zambba_: logout .. or restart your computer |
| 20:09.15 | Topclass | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2005-03-17 19:47 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-k7 (hmmm -2 is the new one i just installed) |
| 20:09.16 | Zambba_ | I don't want to restart :| |
| 20:09.17 | Ragan | Zambba_, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:09.18 | gsp | do I need to reboot for changes to take effect? |
| 20:09.21 | Zambba_ | But I try something |
| 20:09.23 | Zambba_ | --> |
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| 20:10.03 | dvs | Topclass: Is the "image=/vmlinuz" line the first image= instance in the file? |
| 20:10.26 | Ragan | Topclass, if you do a 'ls -l /vmlinuz' and dump the text in #flood along with a dump of your lilo config we can make a proper one for ya |
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| 20:10.53 | Zambba_ | Kewl! Now I have it working! ^^ Thank you all |
| 20:10.54 | Topclass | its the first instance |
| 20:11.23 | dvs | Topclass: Is there a "default" line? |
| 20:11.33 | C17H21NO4 | How can I play midi files? |
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| 20:11.52 | Topclass | yes but i default to windows because im not the only user of this comp |
| 20:11.57 | Ragan | Zambba_, problem solved, see you in a while =) |
| 20:12.09 | Mardus | c17h21nO4: apt-cache search midi |
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| 20:12.48 | dvs | Topclass: Then you selected the wrong option when you wanted to boot into Debian. |
| 20:13.20 | Topclass | how did i manage that?? i only have windowsd and linux show up on the list |
| 20:13.22 | abrotman | C17H21NO4: yes |
| 20:13.31 | abrotman | err .. |
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| 20:13.37 | Ragan | Me fhinks dumps of config file in flood would be da shit |
| 20:13.37 | C17H21NO4 | Mardus: I have pmidi installed, but they will not play. Looks like they want to send it to a midi device(keyboard etc.) I just want to play a couple of ringtones out ot the speakers |
| 20:13.37 | abrotman | C17H21NO4: apt-cache search midi |
| 20:14.00 | dvs | Topclass: and "linux" is the label used for the "image=/vmlinuz" stanza? |
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| 20:14.28 | Topclass | yes |
| 20:14.52 | gsp | I am having trouble giving myself permission to use my /windows directory (mounted vfat windows partition) I chmod(ed) it to 0777 and still no dice |
| 20:15.02 | Mardus | c17h21no4: Ah well, I haven't got any experience playing midi files on Win either. Just that the best shot is to search through the package database and try out different programs. |
| 20:15.06 | asg | gsp: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:15.06 | dvs | !paster |
| 20:15.06 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 20:15.11 | abrotman | !tell gsp about vfatrw |
| 20:15.21 | dvs | Topclass: Use paster to post your lilo.conf file |
| 20:15.26 | abrotman | !tell C17H21NO4 about midi |
| 20:15.39 | Topclass | ok |
| 20:15.44 | C17H21NO4 | Mardus: They "just play" in win. Which tells me I can do it, I just don't know how. |
| 20:15.54 | abrotman | C17H21NO4: timidity |
| 20:16.27 | Mardus | c17h21no4: Well, in Win, they have device drivers and all that stuff already installed in a default installation. |
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| 20:16.42 | Topclass | its going into flood ok? |
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| 20:17.03 | dan2_ | asg: no pub today? |
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| 20:17.30 | asg | dan2_: no, I'm at home |
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| 20:17.42 | dan2_ | asg: I see |
| 20:17.45 | asg | dan2_: need to leave in a bit to get mrs. asg form work though |
| 20:17.46 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:17.50 | asg | wenas |
| 20:17.54 | dan2_ | asg: bugzilla is working nicely |
| 20:17.58 | asg | dan2_: cool |
| 20:18.03 | Topclass | http://channels.debian.net/paste/361 |
| 20:18.08 | Mardus | Hi dan2 |
| 20:18.15 | ribnitz | looking for some soft to suspend to ram or to disk ? |
| 20:18.26 | Lpcnew | hi! i´m from brazil |
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| 20:18.27 | dan2_ | Mardus: hi |
| 20:18.30 | asg | ribnitz: swsusp2.sourceforge.net (iirc) |
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| 20:18.41 | ribnitz | asg: packaged? |
| 20:18.52 | dan2_ | ribnitz: its a kernel patch, and no |
| 20:18.54 | nazgul | is "~" a valid Linux dir name? It is an abbrevation for the home dir when used as path prefix |
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| 20:18.57 | asg | ribnitz: no |
| 20:18.58 | dvs | Topclass: The only other thing I can think of is that lilo was not run as root |
| 20:18.59 | Mardus | dan2_: I got that nic wrking @Home |
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| 20:19.08 | ribnitz | asg: doesnt find / |
| 20:19.11 | asg | ribnitz: ah, it's swsusp.sourceforge.net (sorry) |
| 20:19.18 | dan2_ | Mardus: do I know you? |
| 20:19.18 | asg | ribnitz: or www.suspend2.net |
| 20:19.55 | Topclass | i have not run it again? should i have rerun lilo after the new kernel was installed? |
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| 20:20.15 | Mardus | dan2_: From a long time ago. In here only. |
| 20:20.24 | dvs | Topclass: It wouldn't hurt but installing the kernel deb should have done it for you. |
| 20:20.27 | ribnitz | asg: that means i need to build my own kernel? |
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| 20:20.44 | Mardus | dan2_: Oh, I only remember you being here when I was here for my nic help |
| 20:20.57 | Topclass | oh well i will try it and give it a reboot brb |
| 20:21.16 | pa5kl | if any of the ftp masters are here: thanks for accepting metar into the archive |
| 20:21.23 | ribnitz | Mardus: most of us are here most of the time. |
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| 20:22.01 | Mardus | ribnitz, but not me. Until now. I've passed the time to phone my best friend :/ |
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| 20:22.14 | pa5kl | anyone here who has insight into new maintainer processing by the account managers? |
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| 20:22.19 | Mardus | I mean, the time has passed for me for that... |
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| 20:22.37 | ribnitz | Mardus: We give you all the help we can. In return, we expect your soul.. |
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| 20:23.00 | nonent | anybody have an idea on thee proper 'debian' way to fetch more tthan one ip address for an ethernet card from pppoe? i tried running a separate instance of ppp for eth0:1, eth0:2, but it gives me the same ip each time. |
| 20:23.05 | Seb | where does apt-get keep its database of cdroms ? I'm trying to get him to use my new DVD rom drive, and no matter what I do it keeps trying to use my old /cdrom |
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| 20:23.34 | ribnitz | nonent: why would you want that? |
| 20:23.41 | Mardus | ribnitz: You are so wicked. |
| 20:24.09 | ribnitz | Mardus: I know. :) |
| 20:24.33 | nonent | ribnitz: we have a debian-based router, we wantt tto be able to grab tthe multiple ips froom our dsl modem soo wee can foorward them to differentt computers behind the firewall |
| 20:24.37 | ribnitz | Seb: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:25.07 | ribnitz | nonent: those ips are non-static, i gather? |
| 20:25.30 | ribnitz | Seb: /var/cache/apt/archives for the actual deb files |
| 20:25.31 | dmp3 | unless you can change the mac, how would it differentiate? |
| 20:25.42 | Ragan | ribnitz, yes that's right, sources.list |
| 20:26.19 | mte | hi..i'm trying to set a different mouse cursor theme in xfree86. the directory structure is i think correct /home/mte/.icons/jimmac/cursors (index.theme is in jimmac and other is in cursors). I have also put Xcursor.theme:jimmac in /home/mte/.Xdefaults but it doesn't work. have i missed something? |
| 20:26.20 | ribnitz | Ragan: apt-setup? |
| 20:26.27 | Mardus | ribnitz: Well, at least it's not in pastel(sp?) colours in here... |
| 20:26.36 | kenboo | why libpgjava package doesn't contain driver itself? |
| 20:26.37 | nonent | well, they'ree assigned via pppoe. i'm trying too find some way in the pppoe configuration to statically assign the ips. we've been given 3 specific ip addresses. if we get the address assigned over pppoe, we gett the first of those |
| 20:26.37 | asg | ribnitz: yes |
| 20:26.43 | Ragan | ribnitz, yes, that one also |
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| 20:27.22 | ribnitz | Mardus: to get in touch with one of the fairer kind call 0900 DEBIAN NOW :) |
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| 20:27.54 | Mardus | ribnitz: I have 900-number call blocking @Home |
| 20:28.21 | kenboo | oh i found it... |
| 20:28.44 | ribnitz | Mardus: but all proceedings go directly to the save the sperm whale fund... |
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| 20:29.50 | Topclass | yay i got a nice FATAL error at boot up because it was missing a kernel header modversion.h or somthing the like |
| 20:30.11 | bendy24 | Topclass: congrats |
| 20:30.15 | Ragan | NoNameScript. Ain't that mIRC only? |
| 20:30.32 | directhex | yes |
| 20:30.40 | Topclass | thank you but while were at it does anyone know how to fix it :D |
| 20:30.48 | Ragan | Ain't mIRC win32 only? |
| 20:31.51 | aardvark | Ragan: are you a redneck? |
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| 20:32.02 | ribnitz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.34 | Ragan | No I ain't. |
| 20:32.47 | aardvark | then stop using "ain't", it makes you look like a fucktard |
| 20:32.48 | Mardus | ribnitz: I referred to the "Addams Family Values" film, where Morticia asked their evil former nanny who married Uncle Fester and kept him in a large villa full of pastel colours and who proclaimed that she wanted all of Fester's $$$, property, and his soul too -- Morticia: "Yes, but why the pastels?!!" |
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| 20:33.05 | Ragan | aardvark, it's all for you baby |
| 20:33.19 | chealer | nonent: just use pon several times? |
| 20:33.24 | Mardus | ribnitz: It's when you begin forgettting things ;-) |
| 20:33.24 | ribnitz | Mardus: that got lost on me :) |
| 20:33.27 | mte | umm..how come that mplayer isn't in debian packages? Is it under a different name? It's kinda strange because there is a mplayer plugin for mozilla in packages though..any idea? |
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| 20:34.17 | Mardus | mte: Maybe mplayer uses a GNU-incompatible license |
| 20:34.21 | takatumi | mte: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:34.29 | Topclass | does anyone know how i uninstall the kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 thing ?? |
| 20:34.30 | dmp3 | more that it links to dodgy codecs |
| 20:34.39 | mte | takatumi, tnx |
| 20:34.50 | Ragan | Topclass, apt-get remove or aptitude |
| 20:34.57 | Topclass | thanks |
| 20:35.25 | chealer | mplayer is GPL |
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| 20:35.51 | mte | hm i never understood those licences as i'm not a developer.. |
| 20:36.40 | Mardus | mte: me neither |
| 20:36.41 | Billy | :p |
| 20:36.57 | chealer | there are legal problems nevertheless, with w32codecs for example. a #mplayer guy that seemed to know his business said mplayer problem was under discussion on debian-legal and there could be a resolution in 1 or 2 months |
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| 20:37.20 | mte | ;) |
| 20:37.33 | mte | oh.. |
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| 20:38.03 | swatikiss | is it hard to switch over to x.org in sarge - .... or should i just wait till it is actually supported ?? |
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| 20:38.41 | mte | well..today is my first time using debian, coming from freebsd where those license issues are even worse;) |
| 20:38.42 | ribnitz | swatikiss: dont switch, unless you have a reason to. |
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| 20:38.57 | swatikiss | ribnitz, pretty a reason ? :P |
| 20:39.12 | zork | hello. anyone knows how to stop iptables on sarge? thanks |
| 20:39.13 | ribnitz | mte: worse? |
| 20:39.19 | Ragan | swatikiss, not really, you can't tell the difference |
| 20:39.34 | Mardus | mte: I thought that the BSD guys had better license situations? |
| 20:39.39 | swatikiss | Ra1stlin, doesnt it have tranparency, translucent, etc ? |
| 20:40.14 | ribnitz | swatikiss: another effect no one needs that adds abouther 250mb to the already bloated wm? |
| 20:40.20 | quiet | i need some help with my synaptics touchpad |
| 20:40.21 | swatikiss | true |
| 20:40.40 | Topclass | this might sound stupid but while im looking at a folder is there a way to temp become root to delete it? |
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| 20:40.55 | ribnitz | Topclass: su, sudo. |
| 20:41.05 | quiet | i have installed tpconfig and when i do "tpconfig --rate=0 --tapmode=1" it says " No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found " |
| 20:41.12 | Topclass | is that at command prompt? |
| 20:41.17 | Ragan | Topclass, open a shell and type su, be carefull though |
| 20:41.18 | zork | hello. anyone knows how to stop iptables on sarge? thanks |
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| 20:41.32 | Mardus | How do I check to see with apt-get search which earlier than 4.x versions of xfree86 are available? |
| 20:41.38 | mte | ribnitz, Mardus well mplayer was not a problem but some java plus some other things were a pain in the ass to install.. |
| 20:41.38 | ribnitz | Topclass: yep. requires you to know root password (su) or special setup (sudo= |
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| 20:42.05 | ribnitz | mte: thats what we got the non-official sources for. |
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| 20:42.23 | mte | yeah;) |
| 20:42.31 | Ragan | Mardus, apt-cache search xfree86 |
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| 20:42.49 | Topclass | ok then even dumber question whats the delete command in linux :D |
| 20:42.58 | Ragan | Topclass, what are you deleting? |
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| 20:43.15 | Ragan | Topclass, you can quickly mess things up if you need root access to delete it |
| 20:43.18 | abrotman | why not just have him install grub? |
| 20:43.21 | shwag | what package contains the program mt ? |
| 20:43.22 | ribnitz | Topclass: rm |
| 20:43.30 | dmp3 | shwag: apt-cache search mt |
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| 20:43.34 | redduck666 | fedora has a command alsamixer, it allows you to set up how high you want certain volumes raised. does debian have anything like that? |
| 20:43.47 | dmp3 | mt-st |
| 20:43.50 | directhex | redduck666, you mean 'alsamixer', yes, it has alsamixer. |
| 20:43.51 | Ragan | shwag, a good place is packages.debian.org |
| 20:43.52 | ribnitz | redduck666: alsamixer? |
| 20:43.56 | Topclass | the kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 folder it was not removed beacuse its not empty but it contains one file for lufs |
| 20:43.56 | shwag | Ragan, thanks |
| 20:44.00 | shwag | dmp3, thanks |
| 20:44.01 | mte | umm btw i put deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main in /etc/apt/source.list but apt-get is complaining that the server does not allow 2 connections (wtf? i tried to connect only once...) |
| 20:44.10 | directhex | redduck666, assuming you install it. it's in the alsa-base or alsa-utils package, i forget which |
| 20:44.18 | directhex | mte, wait. |
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| 20:44.39 | Topclass | btw im doing all this in an attempt to get captive-ntfs working |
| 20:44.54 | swatikiss | im having trouble syncing evolution with gpilot - are there other palm programs that will sync with evolution ?? |
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| 20:45.00 | dan2_ | asg: ping |
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| 20:45.14 | Ragan | Topclass, try running aptitude and then press the '_' on 'Not Installed' and then 'g'. it should purge all the packages not installed. ie delete such things |
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| 20:45.25 | shwag | Ragan, hmm... pacakges.debian.org doesn't seach for files inside the packages though |
| 20:45.29 | Ragan | Topclass, it's really not a good idea to manually delete stuff |
| 20:45.32 | directhex | shwag, yes it does |
| 20:45.47 | mte | directhex, thanks, it worked ;) what's the point of this? |
| 20:45.49 | Ragan | shwag, yeah it does. the lower one of the search fields |
| 20:45.57 | dvs | Ragan: I think Topclass added those files himself. |
| 20:45.57 | directhex | mte, bandwidth costs |
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| 20:46.14 | Ragan | dvs, Ohh. |
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| 20:46.20 | mte | ah so it's because of too many users..right? |
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| 20:46.25 | Mardus | Oh, I remember I used to manually delete programs in W95, thinking that I was uninstalling them. That was 8-9 years ago. |
| 20:46.44 | directhex | Mardus, i think deleting nearly-empty folders in /usr/src is sorta reasonable |
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| 20:46.54 | shwag | i see |
| 20:46.59 | Ragan | Topclass, remove the whole dir with 'rm <path> -dfr'. as I said, be carefull =| |
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| 20:47.03 | Mardus | directhex, well, you are right at that. |
| 20:47.50 | redduck666 | i installed alsa-utils, and i already have alsa-base on my system but when trying to run alsamixer i get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 20:48.10 | Ragan | redduck666, did you install it with your WM active? |
| 20:48.17 | dan2_ | hmm |
| 20:48.19 | dvs | redduck666: You need to install alsa sound drivers |
| 20:48.27 | mte | is using aptitude instead of apt-get recommended (faster finding programs, better visualisation of information) or does it handle packages worse or has some other issues? |
| 20:48.29 | dan2_ | how do I get bugzilla to send an email to a list for every new bug |
| 20:48.32 | directhex | redduck666, it means your alsa isn't set up. are you on a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:48.35 | redduck666 | Ragan, what is wm |
| 20:48.44 | zork | please, anyone knows how to stop iptables on sarge? thanks |
| 20:48.46 | redduck666 | 2,4 |
| 20:49.09 | redduck666 | i think alsaconf is going to do the trick |
| 20:49.14 | directhex | redduck666, alsa isn't in 2.4 kernels, you need to add it by hand, or stick with OSS (aumix as a mixer app) |
| 20:49.17 | abrotman | zork: remove the package? |
| 20:49.18 | Ragan | redduck666, window manager, try having shell only and type alsaconf |
| 20:49.27 | Mardus | ah, here's on my issue: I searched apt-cache, and the only meaningful results are xserver-common-v3 and xserver-s3. Any other way to see that there's exactly 3.3.6? |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | zork: did you add any rules? |
| 20:49.30 | stuart_ | aw man sound worked just now |
| 20:49.30 | stuart_ | but i wasn't able to play mp3's |
| 20:49.32 | stuart_ | now there's no sound and mp3's |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | Mardus: they are |
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| 20:49.49 | abrotman | Mardus: apt-cache show xserver-common-v3 |
| 20:49.56 | stuart_ | for you guys who are using sarge, do you use oss or alsa |
| 20:49.57 | directhex | redduck666, you need to install the alsa kernel modules if you want to use alsa. either by installing a 2.6 kernel, or by compiling alsa (debian has methods to make this easier than it could be) |
| 20:50.06 | directhex | stuart_, alsa w/ dmix |
| 20:50.07 | Mardus | abrotman: Do I have to install both? |
| 20:50.18 | Ragan | stuart_, alsa |
| 20:50.29 | stuartSan | i typed discover earlier and managed to get sounds, but wasn't able to play mp3's, but looking at the feedback now i guess i'll have to try alsa |
| 20:50.31 | abrotman | Mardus: yes .. |
| 20:50.42 | zork | abrotman: yes, I did with webmin but I cleared them. now I just want to stop iptables to amke a new wizard with webmin |
| 20:50.44 | stuartSan | i only need alsa-base and alsa-utils right |
| 20:50.51 | redduck666 | what do i need to have installed to use aumix? |
| 20:50.52 | directhex | stuartSan, which kernel? |
| 20:50.56 | abrotman | zork: you used webmin? .. you deserve what you get |
| 20:50.58 | directhex | redduck666, aumix. |
| 20:51.01 | directhex | !info aumix sarge |
| 20:51.03 | dpkg | aumix: (Simple text-based mixer control program), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.8-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 444 kB |
| 20:51.13 | stuartSan | 2.6.8-386 |
| 20:51.21 | Ragan | stuartSan, yes, make sure you aren't running a window manager while intalling it |
| 20:51.30 | dvs | stuartSan: Then you should be fine with 2.6.8 |
| 20:51.36 | directhex | stuartSan, yes, you only need alsa-base and alsa-utils installed. |
| 20:51.38 | zork | abrot: you are right....but how I stop iptables? in woody there is /etc/init.d/iptables, but in sarge?? |
| 20:51.46 | Mardus | Will I do them like this: apt-get install xserver-common-v3 && apt-get install xserver-s3 ? |
| 20:51.53 | stuartSan | so i have to exit from gnome to install alsa? |
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| 20:51.58 | redduck666 | i installed aumix and i get: aumix: error opening mixer |
| 20:52.14 | dvs | redduck666: ls -l /dev/mixer |
| 20:52.16 | directhex | redduck666, lsmod | grep sound |
| 20:52.18 | Ragan | stuartSan, a good idea |
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| 20:52.35 | stuartSan | i gotta delete some oss stuff first, sec. |
| 20:52.39 | abrotman | zork: read the iptables docs .. he tells you .. but if you've used webmin .. i have no idea how it starts iptables |
| 20:52.50 | abrotman | zork: apt-get --purge remove webmin iptables .. start over |
| 20:52.57 | directhex | stuartSan, reboot. installing alsa-base blocks oss from loading |
| 20:53.04 | zork | ok, I'll try thank you |
| 20:53.10 | Mardus | stuartSan: you could exit from gnome to command line, go to twm (tom's window manager), if you like doing things through a GUI and then do your thing... |
| 20:53.29 | redduck666 | dvs, directhex http://www.pastebin.com/259279 |
| 20:53.29 | Ragan | stuartSan, if you run gnome, you might be unable to unload the oss modules and so will result in alsaconf to fail |
| 20:54.00 | dvs | redduck666: You have no audio drivers loaded |
| 20:54.11 | Mardus | stuartSan: only that it's only a healthy assumption on my side |
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| 20:55.06 | directhex | redduck666, you have no sound drivers at all loaded |
| 20:55.17 | directhex | redduck666, do you have discover1 and hotplug installed? |
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| 20:56.14 | stuartSan | okay back to basics which might make this a stupid question, my pc automatically boots into gnome before asking for l/p, how'd i reboot to bash |
| 20:56.21 | redduck666 | i don't have any idea what discover1 is, if i recall correctly during the debian installation i said yes when it asked me to enable hotplugining |
| 20:56.42 | quiet | Do I *have* to recompile the 2.6.8 kernel in Debian Sarge to get Synapics touchpad functionality or can it be loaded as an exernal module? |
| 20:56.46 | dvs | redduck666: What does "lspci | grep audio" say? |
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| 20:56.57 | directhex | quiet, as an external module |
| 20:56.57 | Mardus | A look at dpkg -S *xserver*|pager shows that I apparently already have xserver-common-v3 |
| 20:57.04 | Ragan | stuartSan, open a shell and type init 1 as root |
| 20:57.08 | redduck666 | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 10) |
| 20:57.14 | directhex | quiet, apt-get install module-assistant, m-a a-i synaptics |
| 20:57.19 | stuartSan | alright, thanks |
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| 20:57.51 | dvs | redduck666: modprobe via82cxxx |
| 20:57.55 | directhex | hang on, synaptics isn't in m-a ? O_o |
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| 20:58.15 | quiet | directhex, what is m-a a-i? synaptics is not a known package it says it's replaced by tpconfig |
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| 20:58.44 | Mardus | Now me again... I already have xserver-s3 and xserver-common-v3 installed, now I just don't know how to startx them... |
| 20:58.58 | _SerhaT_ | quiet: m-a is short for module-assistant as far as I know |
| 20:59.03 | directhex | quiet, module assistant builds & installs kernel modules |
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| 20:59.11 | redduck666 | dvs, my sound still doesn't work :( |
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| 20:59.33 | Ragan | redduck666, why don't you upgrade your kernel? |
| 20:59.35 | redduck666 | dvs, before i did alsaconf everything was ok |
| 20:59.41 | quiet | _SerhaT_, directhex and a-i? |
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| 21:00.02 | dvs | redduck666: You're using ALSA? Then what does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 21:00.04 | redduck666 | Ragan, is there any guide writen for debian users? |
| 21:00.10 | directhex | a-i stands for auto-install, it asks it to build & install a module non-interactively |
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| 21:00.27 | Mardus | redduck666: yes, it's us... |
| 21:00.30 | Ragan | redduck666, are you using sarge? |
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| 21:00.37 | redduck666 | dvs, it says nothing |
| 21:00.38 | N-MAN | :) |
| 21:00.43 | quiet | directhex, do you know where can download the synaptics module? |
| 21:00.44 | redduck666 | Ragan, yup |
| 21:00.53 | ribnitz | what would you recommend to search/recover lost partitioning data? |
| 21:01.02 | tessarakt | jemand ne Idee, wie man einen Pfad in einer Bitmap ausmessen kann? |
| 21:01.09 | dvs | redduck666: Then try "modprobe snd_via82xx" |
| 21:01.11 | directhex | !de |
| 21:01.12 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:01.13 | tessarakt | mit Pfaden in Gimp geht es jedenfalls nicht ... |
| 21:01.20 | Ragan | redduck666, then just search in aptitude for kernel-image and pick the most recent. |
| 21:01.24 | ribnitz | ups, falsches fenster. bitte ersdchiessen :) |
| 21:01.49 | redduck666 | dvs, can't locate that module |
| 21:02.01 | Mardus | I don't know even what a pfad ist... |
| 21:02.20 | dvs | redduck666: You can use ALSA and 2.4 if you don't have the ALSA modules installed |
| 21:02.23 | Ragan | Mardus, phat? |
| 21:02.38 | Mardus | Pfad |
| 21:02.43 | Mardus | A German word |
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| 21:02.53 | tactless | Generic networking question: |
| 21:02.54 | Ragan | redduck666, I'd recommend installing an updated kernel |
| 21:02.57 | Mardus | Ragan: Me not fat... |
| 21:03.06 | Ragan | Mardus, hehe =) |
| 21:03.14 | Mardus | Ragan: Just a little soft ;) |
| 21:03.21 | redduck666 | Ragan, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=aptitude this is aptitude? |
| 21:03.43 | Ragan | redduck666, just type aptitude in shell as root |
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| 21:04.12 | tactless | In my university, any time I try to connect to an SSL server (say google) from Linux, a TCP ACK flood occurs both ways on port 443 and the outgoing port. This does not occur in Windows on the same laptop, and does not occur at home. I've been told that there is some /proc ipv4 setting that should take care of this... anyone know it? |
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| 21:05.30 | stuart_ | well thanks guys i have sound now.. but i still can't play mp3 |
| 21:05.44 | stuart_ | when i click on the .mp3 file its says that /dev/dsp is already in use |
| 21:05.44 | Ragan | stuart_, with xmms? |
| 21:05.57 | cowbud | Mardus: did you figure out pfad? cause it just means path.. |
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| 21:06.07 | stuart_ | not xmms, tried totem and musicbox or something so far |
| 21:06.09 | stuart_ | i'll try xmms now |
| 21:06.36 | Mardus | cowbud: Well, I've been deprived of SAT.1 and Trek and all... |
| 21:06.38 | ludi | how do I bring up my eth0 interface on a LAN with a dhcp server? |
| 21:06.46 | Ragan | stuart_, it's properly some setting somewhere that still uses oss, try looking around |
| 21:06.48 | takatumi | dpkg: zippyfox is tweak away for some zip. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts |
| 21:06.48 | dpkg | takatumi: okay |
| 21:06.52 | PerfDave | ludi: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:07.02 | Mardus | ludi: You want a dhcp server brought up or a client? |
| 21:07.10 | stuart_ | Ragan, does 'enable sound at boot' option in the Sounds menu count |
| 21:07.10 | cowbud | mArdus: ?? |
| 21:07.11 | redduck666 | Ragan, i think that none of the options offered to me has kernel-image |
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| 21:07.40 | stuart_ | enable sound server startup, even. |
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| 21:07.45 | Ragan | stuart_, hmm, should be enabled, but don't think it is the problem |
| 21:07.51 | gafty | hello |
| 21:07.57 | Ragan | redduck666, okay, then what does uname -r return? |
| 21:07.58 | tarzeau | omg where's the party for date +%s ? |
| 21:08.05 | stuart_ | have no idea where to look though, since its my 1 1/2nd day using debian |
| 21:08.12 | gafty | how can I add ntpupdate to my debian startup ? |
| 21:08.22 | redduck666 | Ragan, 2.4.27-speakup |
| 21:08.24 | gafty | ntpdate8 |
| 21:08.31 | gafty | ntpdate* sorry |
| 21:08.49 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 21:08.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.4.27' (8): kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-586tsc ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup. |
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| 21:09.24 | Mardus | All: How do I unlink a file? |
| 21:09.34 | dvs | Mardus: rm |
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| 21:09.48 | takatumi | Mardus: the link. |
| 21:09.50 | stuart_ | when i do an lsmod it says snd_pcm_oss has 1 process and snd_mixer_oss has 2 pcm_oss processes |
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| 21:10.06 | Mardus | takatumi: the link what? |
| 21:10.07 | stuart_ | could that be the problem if and if so how do i remedy it |
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| 21:10.22 | dvs | stuart_: Make the application (like xmms) use ALSA instead of OSS |
| 21:10.32 | stuart_ | kay sec |
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| 21:10.44 | takatumi | Mardus: rm link |
| 21:10.46 | Ragan | redduck666, uhm, have no idea what speakup is, there's no 2.6 for speakup |
| 21:11.08 | ludi | Mardus: a client |
| 21:11.11 | quiet | i have installed 'xfree86-driver-synaptics' how do i set it up? |
| 21:11.15 | Ragan | redduck666, but I guess you can use 386 also |
| 21:11.19 | Ragan | right people? |
| 21:11.36 | takatumi | quiet: touchpad? |
| 21:11.37 | stuart_ | Ragan, also, when you gave me the init 1 command just now, i typed gdm to come back into gnome but it hung at gnome's startup screen, any idea why? |
| 21:11.42 | quiet | takatumi, yes |
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| 21:12.00 | Ragan | stuart_, yeah, you have to enter init 2 first |
| 21:12.11 | Ragan | stuart_, with 'exit' or 'init 2' |
| 21:12.22 | Mardus | ludi: if your netcard is up, then just do dhclient and wait till it gets into the background. |
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| 21:12.34 | takatumi | quiet: http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 this is mine, tweak away. |
| 21:12.35 | ludi | okay |
| 21:12.38 | stuart_ | oh, that explains it |
| 21:12.53 | stuart_ | Ragan, i also get an occasional hang at startup for no reason, no idea why. |
| 21:12.57 | quiet | takatumi, so i don't have to do anything now that I have the driver installed? |
| 21:13.05 | Mardus | ludi: that worked for the first time today in my case, only that I don't know how to make it permanent after startup |
| 21:13.23 | stuart_ | especially when i've just logged out, and login back |
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| 21:13.30 | Ragan | stuart_, hmm, can be lots of things I'm afraid |
| 21:13.38 | Ragan | redduck666, you still there? |
| 21:13.52 | stuart_ | well basically my machine only has gnome selected from pt |
| 21:13.54 | stuart_ | apt* |
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| 21:14.01 | redduck666 | Ragan, yup |
| 21:14.06 | takatumi | quiet: it's loaded via the XF86Config-4 |
| 21:14.09 | stuart_ | i wonder if there's a 'clean' gnome installation, without needing so much junk |
| 21:14.26 | Ragan | redduck666, try installing a 2.6 kernel. eihter find it in aptitude or type 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' |
| 21:14.42 | quiet | takatumi, okay thanks.. i'll try your config.. what notebook is it? |
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| 21:15.00 | takatumi | quiet: compaq presario 2540ea |
| 21:15.01 | Ragan | redduck666, after that run alsaconf from shell (and no window manager running) |
| 21:15.14 | travisat | stuart_: gnome-core? |
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| 21:15.35 | stuart_ | travisat, only 1 package does the job? |
| 21:15.46 | quiet | takatumi, mine is HP Pavilion ze5200 (Pentium 4 2.4 GHz) |
| 21:15.53 | quiet | pretty similar? |
| 21:15.59 | ludi | kapplication.cpp:118:37: X11/SM/SMlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:16.03 | ludi | what package contains SMlib.h? |
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| 21:16.10 | Ragan | stuart_, it's a large collection of packages |
| 21:16.15 | travisat | stuart_: well no, but it won't install as much crap as the gnome package |
| 21:16.33 | takatumi | quiet: might be. |
| 21:16.44 | Mardus | So to unlink a file I have to delete it, if it refers to some other file? |
| 21:16.44 | stuart_ | dang, looks like i'll have to reinstall soon then |
| 21:17.00 | redduck666 | Ragan, http://www.pastebin.com/259313 |
| 21:17.04 | travisat | stuart_: why?? |
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| 21:17.15 | takatumi | quiet: this is a 2.6 Ghz though. |
| 21:17.20 | travisat | stuart_: just remove the stuff you don't want |
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| 21:17.36 | stuart_ | travisat, oh yeah forgot bout that. sry too used with microsoft's inconvienience |
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| 21:17.59 | quiet | takatumi, okay.. but it is the rectangle with the horizontal scrollbar on the right? |
| 21:18.14 | stuart_ | xmms refuses to start |
| 21:18.21 | Ragan | redduck666, are you sure you are not running aptitude or apt somewhere? |
| 21:19.03 | travisat | stuart_: use beep-media-player |
| 21:19.06 | Mardus | An good user usually doesn't need to reinstall Windows either. |
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| 21:19.17 | Mardus | I've saved at least one machie like that. |
| 21:19.29 | Mardus | * machine |
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| 21:19.44 | stuart_ | jeezus now totem the default player for when i click on the mp3 file doesn't even start |
| 21:19.44 | Ragan | Mardus, a good user needs to reinstall when using winxp all the time. to debian =) |
| 21:19.45 | stuart_ | brb |
| 21:19.51 | dvs | Mardus: I can't agree with that. Even good Windows users have their computers screw up on them. |
| 21:20.00 | redduck666 | Ragan, there is aptitude running how can i kill it? i can't kill it with ctrl + esc couse i started it as root |
| 21:20.10 | Ragan | redduck666, with 'q' |
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| 21:20.23 | takatumi | quiet: check dmesg for this, "Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1 Firmware: 5.8 Sensor: 35" |
| 21:20.39 | takatumi | or similar. |
| 21:20.48 | ludi | kapplication.cpp:118:37: X11/SM/SMlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.49 | ludi | what package contains SMlib.h? |
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| 21:20.55 | quiet | takatumi, okay i will (rebooting right now) |
| 21:21.03 | Mardus | dvs: Well, I've seen situations where a user less my abilities would have thought of a reinstall. Ah well, Rygel XVI had larger delusions of grandeur (and royalty) |
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| 21:21.11 | takatumi | quiet: which kernel? |
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| 21:21.24 | micropal | annyone in for a typespeed game? i'm hosting |
| 21:21.30 | Ragan | redduck666, if that don't work, type 'killall aptitude' as root |
| 21:21.31 | stuart_ | whats the deal man i clicked logout but it still hasn't |
| 21:21.43 | travisat | micropal: no |
| 21:21.51 | travisat | micropal: not really |
| 21:21.52 | stuart_ | how can i see the processes that are running |
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| 21:21.58 | travisat | stuart_: top |
| 21:22.01 | Ragan | stuart_, ctrl+esc or top |
| 21:22.16 | joloc | my synaptics touchpad stopped working under kernel 2.6 |
| 21:22.24 | takatumi | Ragan: ctrl+esp where? |
| 21:22.32 | takatumi | joloc: works fine here. |
| 21:22.34 | Ragan | takatumi, hehe, yeah yeah |
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| 21:22.50 | takatumi | s/sp/sc |
| 21:22.57 | Mardus | micropal: I am a touchtypist, but the keys are off the keyboard currently and I'm only typing on those rubber blots that loos like craters. |
| 21:23.04 | stuart_ | is it okay to have 320,000kb memory used out of 387,000kb |
| 21:23.06 | khanman | ooooooooooh..thats nice (^esc) :) |
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| 21:23.07 | Mardus | * that look |
| 21:23.07 | Demokrit | When I type "http://security.debian.org" into my browser, I get some Yahoo-stuff. Is it an error or a hack? |
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| 21:23.10 | stuart_ | or is something seriously wrong with my pc |
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| 21:23.27 | micropal | hehe |
| 21:23.33 | _dmp | Demokrit: works here. |
| 21:23.33 | travisat | stuart_: its just fine |
| 21:23.33 | joloc | takatumi, maybe wrong XFree86 config file? |
| 21:23.38 | _dmp | maybe someone screwed you. |
| 21:23.38 | Ragan | stuart_, does ctrl+alt+backspace work? |
| 21:23.41 | redduck666 | Ragan, if you mean to press q in the terminal sesion where i started aptitude, i closed that terminal window |
| 21:23.41 | redduck666 | Ragan, now i'm getting that file. what should i do once it is installed? |
| 21:23.49 | takatumi | joloc: could be. |
| 21:23.49 | vmx | i'd like to tun batik, but when i "java -jar /ust/share/java/batik.jat" i get "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from /usr/share/java/batik-all.jar". what's wrong? something with my classpaths? |
| 21:23.51 | idnar | stuart_: if you run 'free', what does the -/+ buffers/cache line say? |
| 21:24.02 | idnar | ...oh |
| 21:24.06 | Ragan | redduck666, reboot and run alsaconf as single user |
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| 21:24.26 | redduck666 | Ragan, ok |
| 21:24.29 | Ragan | redduck666, to see if you are running the new kernel after rebooting type 'uname -r' |
| 21:24.33 | joloc | takatumi: /dev/psaux and ImPS/2? |
| 21:24.48 | redduck666 | Ragan, thanks for being so helpful |
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| 21:24.49 | Gnurdux | hey anyone on here used an intel extreme graphics 2? |
| 21:24.57 | Ragan | redduck666, np, we are all here to help =) |
| 21:24.58 | directhex | Gnurdux, not by choice |
| 21:25.02 | dvs | redduck666: Don't thank him yet. ;-) |
| 21:25.05 | Gnurdux | i know THAT |
| 21:25.17 | Ragan | hehe |
| 21:25.17 | Gnurdux | but im tyring to fscking get it to WORK |
| 21:25.19 | Demokrit | _dmp: what do you get for "host security.debian.org"? |
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| 21:25.31 | _dmp | dmp@platinum:~$ host security.debian.org |
| 21:25.31 | _dmp | security.debian.org A 194.109.137.218 |
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| 21:26.12 | baz | someone remind me how to get the binary nvidia drivers working in sarge |
| 21:26.16 | takatumi | joloc: no, "/dev/input/event1" and "Protocol" "event" |
| 21:26.19 | baz | can't seem to find the stuff in apt-cache search |
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| 21:26.40 | ludi | kapplication.cpp:118:37: X11/SM/SMlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:26.41 | ludi | what package contains SMlib.h? |
| 21:26.43 | gnumber9 | need help with debian thunderbird spellcheck in Sarge |
| 21:26.43 | valdyn | baz: its not in sarge, get it from sid |
| 21:26.47 | takatumi | joloc: its a custom compiled kernel so those may not work for you. |
| 21:26.54 | baz | valdyn, I thought sarge was frozen already |
| 21:27.03 | Maulkin | !tell baz about nvidia |
| 21:27.05 | Demokrit | _dmp: I get: security.debian.org has address 66.218.71.234 |
| 21:27.06 | joloc | takatumi: oh, never seen this before. will try now... |
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| 21:27.14 | Demokrit | _dmp: strange ... |
| 21:27.19 | _dmp | Demokrit: dns poisoning? |
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| 21:27.24 | directhex | !tell baz about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:27.30 | joloc | takatumi: is there anything else i have to configure for this? |
| 21:27.33 | travisat | how does one clear the free kernel buffer |
| 21:27.42 | baz | damn I have to put dpkg back on ignore |
| 21:27.49 | ludi | Anyone know what package contains SMlib.h? |
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| 21:28.11 | Demokrit | _dmp: maybe yes. But from where/whom? |
| 21:28.20 | Ragan | ludi: packages.debian.org |
| 21:28.25 | valdyn | travisat: that sounds like a strange idea |
| 21:28.26 | travisat | nvm, I'll ask later |
| 21:28.30 | joloc | takatumi: (for dev/input/event1) any packages to install, modules to modprobe, etc? |
| 21:28.31 | _dmp | You'd need to ask your isp ;) |
| 21:28.42 | takatumi | joloc: for that to work you need the 'evdev' module. |
| 21:28.43 | travisat | valdyn: I need to clear memspace for hibernate |
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| 21:29.04 | valdyn | travisat: why do you? no swapspace free? |
| 21:29.21 | takatumi | joloc: event1 for me, could be event0 as well. |
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| 21:29.29 | joloc | takatumi: ok, evdev was loaded |
| 21:29.33 | valdyn | travisat: what *might* works is malloc(alot) and free it |
| 21:29.43 | joloc | takatumi: how to find out which? |
| 21:29.53 | travisat | valdyn: nvm I thought I had 2 gigs in the buffer......I added some zeros in my mind |
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| 21:30.27 | travisat | although where 2 gigs would be placed is beyond me |
| 21:30.28 | valdyn | travisat: this is a hack really, get a big enough swap partition |
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| 21:31.16 | takatumi | joloc: try /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 21:31.21 | valdyn | baz: in "restricted" yes |
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| 21:31.40 | gnumber9 | it fixed itself??? |
| 21:32.10 | joloc | takatumi: nothing about mouse/touchpad (only keyboard and PC speaker) |
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| 21:32.34 | Mardus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.48 | stuart_ | okay control+alt+backspace worked, but when i logged back in, gnome froze again at startup screen argh |
| 21:32.49 | joloc | takatumi: does that mean my mouse is not recognised? |
| 21:32.51 | stuart_ | i gotta find out why |
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| 21:33.09 | stuart_ | and apparently OSS is still being used |
| 21:33.17 | stuart_ | xmms doesn't wanna start up either.. whats up with my pc omg |
| 21:33.50 | shakparl | world is over |
| 21:33.54 | shadow98 | hey guys im trying to figure something out here. I want to be able to to take this set of scsi hdd's that i have and make them appear as one huge drive with debian....like dynamic disk in windows |
| 21:34.28 | Ragan | stuart_, did you reboot or just restart x? |
| 21:34.48 | Maulkin | shadow98: you want RAID |
| 21:34.50 | takatumi | joloc: not sure, is psmouse loaded? |
| 21:34.53 | stuart_ | Ragan, when you asked me to ctrl+alt+backspace it just restarted, and hung at startup screen so i had to reboot |
| 21:35.00 | joloc | takatumi: yes, psmouse and devmouse |
| 21:35.06 | abrotman | !beer #debian |
| 21:35.14 | takatumi | mousedev you mean? |
| 21:35.14 | abrotman | now .. share nice |
| 21:35.34 | takatumi | danke but no danke. |
| 21:35.46 | Ragan | stuart_, hmm, it could be a lot of things. try disabling the sound and see if that works. if it does we know where to troubleshoot |
| 21:35.48 | Maulkin | shadow98: more precicely, raid 0 |
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| 21:36.03 | shadow98 | maulkin: isn't raid 0 a mirror |
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| 21:36.10 | shadow98 | i don't car about redundancy... |
| 21:36.13 | Maulkin | Nope, that's RAID 1 |
| 21:36.17 | takatumi | joloc: I have all of these compiled static, don't know if that is what makes it tick here. |
| 21:36.21 | quiet | takatumi, i think i tweaked it to work! it took a little bit, but I think I got it now.. thanks! |
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| 21:36.37 | takatumi | quiet: now help joloc. |
| 21:36.43 | daveon_ | hi |
| 21:36.47 | Maulkin | !tell shadow98 about raid 0 |
| 21:36.49 | Maulkin | !tell shadow98 about raid 1 |
| 21:37.00 | quiet | what is joloc 's problem? |
| 21:37.19 | takatumi | Maulkin: you are responsible for this. dpkg [~dpkg@dpkg.user] has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 21:37.33 | abrotman | dpkg? |
| 21:37.36 | joloc | quiet: synaptics touchpad under kernel 2.6 not working |
| 21:37.38 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 21:37.39 | Maulkin | ACk, possibly. Sorry peeps. |
| 21:37.42 | abrotman | ~raid0 |
| 21:37.46 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 21:37.47 | quiet | joloc, sarge? |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | @raid0 |
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| 21:37.50 | Maulkin | I really should finish writing that patch... |
| 21:37.53 | stuart_ | Ragan, after disabling sound do i restart or reboot |
| 21:37.53 | abrotman | do we have any fucking bots left? |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | @hello |
| 21:37.57 | joloc | quiet: yes |
| 21:37.57 | ravenbird | HI, abrotman! |
| 21:38.11 | takatumi | @abrotman |
| 21:38.13 | quiet | joloc, i used his and this one together to come up with something that worked... http://www.frosty-geek.net/x5/x11/XF86Config-4.synaptics |
| 21:38.14 | Ragan | stuart_, just restart x |
| 21:38.21 | abrotman | ~abrotman |
| 21:38.25 | abrotman | takatumi: dpkg knows about me |
| 21:38.30 | quiet | did you do "apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics" joloc |
| 21:38.46 | takatumi | abrotman: yeah, I meant for you to read it :P |
| 21:38.52 | joloc | quiet: cheers, let's see |
| 21:38.58 | abrotman | takatumi: read what? |
| 21:39.16 | takatumi | abrotman: oh, nevermind. |
| 21:39.16 | quiet | joloc, I have to run (I'm meeting a loan officer for buying a house) |
| 21:39.16 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 21:39.29 | joloc | quiet: good luck :-) |
| 21:39.30 | abrotman | takatumi: i'm slow today |
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| 21:39.37 | takatumi | abrotman: :) |
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| 21:40.19 | takatumi | joloc: this one works well. http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:40.32 | pacoto | hola |
| 21:40.36 | daveon | hola |
| 21:40.38 | daveon | :-) |
| 21:40.42 | Ragan | hola |
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| 21:40.53 | takatumi | joloc: but if the /dev/input doesn't work, try /dev/somethingelse |
| 21:41.15 | pacoto | alguien sabe como se instala el bettorrent en guadalinux |
| 21:41.18 | jjazz | Is dpkg down? |
| 21:41.27 | takatumi | joloc: or /dev/input/mice |
| 21:41.29 | dvs | !test |
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| 21:41.56 | pacoto | hola |
| 21:41.58 | takatumi | dvs: dpkg is MIA, lay off for a while. |
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| 21:42.12 | Ragan | pacato, english please |
| 21:42.12 | joloc | takatumi: thanks, will try |
| 21:42.15 | dvs | takatumi: Wake it up! ;-) |
| 21:42.22 | pacoto | hay alguien |
| 21:42.26 | sanoi | pacoto: I guess you need to install python first. Or you can install 'ctorrent' it is easier.. |
| 21:43.11 | linuxn00b | hi i need a problem i entered in consol this command /sbin/init3 and after i restart the comp it gives me this msg:: enter the run level:" what should i do? |
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| 21:43.28 | PerfDave | ~hispanic |
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| 21:43.39 | takatumi | ~pt |
| 21:43.40 | apt | i guess pt is a Manuel |
| 21:43.44 | stuart_ | Ragan, i can't seem to be able to restart x |
| 21:43.50 | pacoto | nadie habla espańol |
| 21:43.54 | daveon | no |
| 21:43.56 | daveon | :-) |
| 21:43.59 | vladster | what app is used in ripping cd's to mp3's for an MP3 player |
| 21:44.02 | Ragan | stuart_, ctrl+alt+backspace would do the trick |
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| 21:44.12 | jjazz | pacoto: /j debian-es |
| 21:44.12 | takatumi | ~br |
| 21:44.13 | apt | methinks br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:44.13 | stuart_ | Ragan, did that, but it always hangs at startup screen |
| 21:44.24 | drini | hang? |
| 21:44.26 | stuart_ | Ragan, when i re-login that is |
| 21:44.29 | linuxn00b | someone |
| 21:44.37 | stuart_ | drini, it just shows the Debian splash screen, then everythign stops |
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| 21:44.47 | sanoi | tienes que installar python o tu puedes installar una programa que se llama ctorrent... |
| 21:44.48 | shadow98 | maulkin: this is what I have http://store.yahoo.com/multi-com/prolstorsysm.html |
| 21:44.50 | Ragan | stuart_, hmm, sounds nasty then, don't have a clue what is wrong then |
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| 21:44.59 | Active2 | hm how can i check the compression level of a gzip'ed file ? |
| 21:45.00 | drini | so, X starts , shows the spash, then freezes? |
| 21:45.03 | stuart_ | i guess i'll re-install with only gnome core |
| 21:45.11 | calin | Active2: Why' |
| 21:45.13 | gnurdux | ok people |
| 21:45.15 | calin | Why's it matter? |
| 21:45.17 | stuart_ | drini, yup, happens only after i logout though |
| 21:45.25 | pacoto | sanoi para que necesito pyton |
| 21:45.30 | drini | you using gdm or kdem? |
| 21:45.33 | Active2 | calin: to try and fix a bug in sid ;) |
| 21:45.42 | Ragan | stuart_, it's better to find the problem if it returns one day. but if you just installed I guess it doesn't matter |
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| 21:45.42 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of aardvark) |
| 21:45.49 | sanoi | porque bittorrent es una programa escrito en python |
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| 21:46.02 | sanoi | my god. I know spanish.. |
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| 21:46.05 | drini | because htat's the language bittorent author chose to write it |
| 21:46.07 | M4hd1 | hi, what's the difference between apache and apache2? |
| 21:46.12 | linuxn00b | hi i have a problem i entered in consol this command /sbin/init3 and after i restart the comp it gives me this msg:: enter the run level:" what should i do? |
| 21:46.16 | aardvark | M4hd1: 2 |
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| 21:46.18 | Ragan | stuart_, if you type linux26 when booting from the cd it will install the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:46.22 | dvs | !test |
| 21:46.22 | stuart_ | Ragan, the first time i installed this happened too |
| 21:46.24 | green_earz | linuxn00b: here a link on runlevels > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html hope i can help |
| 21:46.26 | dpkg | Yes, dvs, you're still online. |
| 21:46.26 | stuart_ | Ragan, i am on 2.6 |
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| 21:46.35 | Maulkin | shadow98: Erm... ok. |
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| 21:46.42 | M4hd1 | aakkonen, very funny. I mean functionally |
| 21:46.44 | takatumi | !sing sussudio |
| 21:46.52 | Ragan | stuart_, hmm, does it appear just after installation or do you do something just before the hangs? |
| 21:46.54 | shadow98 | maulkin: look like it will do raid 0 |
| 21:46.55 | green_earz | linuxn00b: sorry hope it can help |
| 21:46.59 | stuart_ | should i try kde? its like kde isn't supported much here, is it? |
| 21:46.59 | Shadowarrior13 | What's the location of the first cdrom drive and the first floppy drive? |
| 21:47.06 | drini | I prefer bittornado (or azureus) to ctorrent, however |
| 21:47.08 | Maulkin | shadow98: Good good. |
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| 21:47.27 | stuart_ | Ragan, it usually hangs after i logout |
| 21:47.34 | stuart_ | and logging in back again |
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| 21:47.52 | Ragan | stuart_, try KDE then *ducks for cover from the gnome zealots* |
| 21:48.07 | takatumi | Shadowarrior13: somewhere in the case. |
| 21:48.08 | abrotman | Shadowarrior13: dmesg |
| 21:48.12 | stuart_ | its gonna be sad tho, i really like gnome |
| 21:48.13 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 21:48.15 | M4hd1 | like "i need a webserver to run php+mysql apps" what sould i install? "apt-get install apache2 php4 mysql-server mysql-client" ? |
| 21:48.43 | Ragan | Anybody know gmome who can help him with the hangs? I have no experience with gnome whatsoever. |
| 21:48.53 | stuart_ | Ragan, what do you use? |
| 21:49.00 | Ragan | stuart_, xfce |
| 21:49.08 | stuart_ | whats that |
| 21:49.08 | pacoto | gracias |
| 21:49.10 | stuart_ | another wm? |
| 21:49.17 | Ragan | stuart_, yeah, very lightweight |
| 21:49.21 | pacoto | yo tambien prefiero bettornado |
| 21:49.25 | sanoi | yeah I prefer bittornado as well but for a simple lightweight client ctorrent would do |
| 21:49.28 | stuart_ | Ragan, can noobs use it |
| 21:49.33 | soth` | anyone know of a front-end to bind to make configuration/creation of zones easier? |
| 21:49.40 | sanoi | then you need python |
| 21:49.43 | takatumi | stuart_: yes. |
| 21:49.49 | Shadowarrior13 | What's the text editor for debian? |
| 21:49.56 | Ragan | stuart_, guess so, if you can configure your system with a text editor |
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| 21:50.01 | zinx | Shadowarrior13: sensible-editor |
| 21:50.01 | PerfDave | M4hd1: Don't take my word for it but I think you need apache2-mpm-prefork for PHP4 |
| 21:50.08 | PerfDave | Shadowarrior13: $EDITOR |
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| 21:50.19 | takatumi | Shadowarrior13: there are many, try nano if its a very basic system. |
| 21:50.29 | stuart_ | Ragan, as long as its capable of being a multimedia system |
| 21:50.37 | Ragan | stuart_, if you hate all the extra packages in gnome, xfce might be your choice |
| 21:51.05 | stuart_ | okay i'm gonna apt-get remove gnome |
| 21:51.06 | Ragan | stuart_, sure it is, you can still install gnome apps of your choice and manual make a menu entry for it |
| 21:51.09 | themolester | im having some network performace problems and i want to verify that it is infact the network and not the hard drives, they are raid 0 but i think they are fairly old so they might be having problems and not running at full speed |
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| 21:51.23 | sanoi | I've just finished compiling xfce4.2,it took a good while |
| 21:51.24 | stuart_ | what bout xfce, do i get it off apt |
| 21:51.26 | themolester | what command can i use to measure throughput of a hard drive, and a filesystem |
| 21:51.34 | Ragan | stuart_, and KDE and whatever. |
| 21:51.37 | takatumi | sanoi: there are packages available. |
| 21:51.38 | pacoto | entonces tambientengo que instalar phyton con bittornado |
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| 21:51.47 | sanoi | takatumi.. what from testing? |
| 21:51.56 | sanoi | because unstable was 4.0 |
| 21:51.57 | cheal | !es |
| 21:51.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:52.31 | genome | hi |
| 21:52.32 | pacoto | #debian-es |
| 21:52.40 | Ragan | !xfce |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | somebody said xfce was a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce, or xfce4 is newer, sexier, but still lightweight - apt-get install xfce4 |
| 21:52.52 | takatumi | sanoi: sanoi http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3442 |
| 21:52.53 | Maulkin | pacoto: /j #debian-es |
| 21:52.54 | drini | pacoto: there is azureus which uses java |
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| 21:53.15 | sanoi | oh well, it is too late now.. |
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| 21:53.46 | orjan | I'm looking at the config files for shorewall in /usr/share/doc, some om them are .gz. Do they have to be unzipped or can shorewall use compressed conf files? |
| 21:53.47 | takatumi | sanoi: yeah, if it took you real long, go ahead and do the rest. :) |
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| 21:53.53 | green_earz | themolester: have a look at hdparm to check out the drive |
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| 21:54.06 | takatumi | orjan: zless or zcat |
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| 21:54.27 | mte | hi..in freebsd i could replace all iso8859-1 entries in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias to iso8859-2 with no problems. Now if I do it in debian, xfree86 doesn't start..what's missing? |
| 21:54.34 | genome | mkdir /shared1 |
| 21:54.36 | takatumi | orjan: shorewall might surely need uncompressed files. |
| 21:54.36 | genome | mkdir /shared2 |
| 21:54.37 | genome | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd1 /shared1 |
| 21:54.37 | genome | mount -t ntfs -o utf8 /dev/hdd2 /shared2 |
| 21:54.37 | genome | cp -iR /shared2 /shared1 |
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| 21:54.47 | genome | the files were copied to /shared1, but not onto hdd1. they were saved onto hda1(/) which filled up rapidly. |
| 21:54.52 | cheal | pacoto: guadalinux no es debian. nosotros no saber |
| 21:55.18 | orjan | takatumi: ok just haven't seen conf files compressed before, thoght it might be a reason |
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| 21:55.22 | KungFu | hi |
| 21:55.34 | KungFu | My usb-stic does not auto-mount |
| 21:55.43 | KungFu | dmesg shows: |
| 21:55.44 | takatumi | orjan: those are examples, use it as applicable. |
| 21:55.47 | KungFu | Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 21:55.48 | KungFu | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 21:55.58 | orjan | takatumi: ok |
| 21:56.16 | the_real_maniac | HI! I'm using debian SID/unstale. I have libmpeg2-4 and libmpeg2-4-dev installed and I want to install mencoder with codec mpeg = mencoder -ovc mpeg -mpegopts ... (libmpeg2 I think) . "configure" says all is ok mpeg codec will be compiled and IT IS compiled ! BUT I HAVE NOT -ovc mpeg .. :( I try mplayer 1.05pre and 1.06a-pre (from mplayerhq.hu) Any ideas ? Thank you in advance :) |
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| 21:56.51 | dionoea | the_real_maniac: www.videolan.org/vlc :) |
| 21:57.07 | themolester | green_earz will that give me a readout in MB/s |
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| 21:57.36 | PerfDave | the_real_maniac: If you're hand-compiling stuff, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 21:58.03 | valdyn | the_real_maniac: no idea about your specific problem, however in general getting mplayers depends right should be easier via "apt-get build-dep mplayer" ( '/msg dpkg marillat' for the sources ) |
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| 21:59.30 | valdyn | ^^^^ s/mplayer/mencoder/ |
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| 22:00.08 | pacoto | hola |
| 22:00.33 | sanoi | pacoto: join #debian-es if you're gonna speak spanish. |
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| 22:01.49 | the_real_maniac | Thanks for the ideas - but I don't realy think this /msg(s) will help me, but let first read them :) |
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| 22:02.01 | Shadowarrior13 | What would be the location of a removeable disk through USB? |
| 22:02.24 | dvs | Shadowarrior13: Usually /dev/sd?? |
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| 22:02.28 | Shadowarrior13 | K |
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| 22:02.47 | the_real_maniac | About vlc - I prefer mencoder , but vlc use mencoder in some way to encode or i'm in wrong :? |
| 22:02.57 | dionoea | the_real_maniac: it uses ffmpeg |
| 22:03.00 | loren | hm |
| 22:03.05 | the_real_maniac | ;) 10x |
| 22:03.11 | the_real_maniac | now I understand it |
| 22:03.22 | the_real_maniac | thanks again ... |
| 22:03.23 | loren | Q: is Gentoo debian based? and is Slackware? |
| 22:03.32 | PerfDave | loren: No, and no. |
| 22:03.36 | loren | thanks |
| 22:03.38 | loren | :( |
| 22:03.39 | loren | lol |
| 22:03.43 | directhex | loren, no and no |
| 22:04.07 | directhex | loren, gentoo is mostly fresh, and slackware is the second linux distribution ever |
| 22:04.25 | PerfDave | Ydraggisyl! |
| 22:04.34 | directhex | yggdrasil. |
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| 22:05.07 | cheal | what was the first distro? |
| 22:05.18 | directhex | yggdrasil >_< |
| 22:05.19 | sanoi | gosh. don't bring up that tree.. I cant recall how much we've read about it in school.. |
| 22:05.26 | Picallo | where can i find drives for a WiFi card? |
| 22:05.37 | PerfDave | Picallo: On the driver CD that came with it? |
| 22:05.37 | directhex | Picallo, that would depend what it is, wouldn';t it |
| 22:05.46 | dionoea | directhex: does yggdrasil still exist ? |
| 22:05.59 | Picallo | well its a little bit different in my case |
| 22:06.00 | directhex | dionoea, no. slackware is the oldest surviving distro |
| 22:06.06 | deadcat | Picallo: what card you have? |
| 22:06.08 | directhex | Picallo, i'm sure |
| 22:06.10 | Picallo | im ussing a debian based distribution |
| 22:06.15 | Picallo | im using a Broadcom |
| 22:06.16 | PerfDave | Picallo: Which one? |
| 22:06.21 | directhex | Picallo, this isn't the place for support, then |
| 22:06.21 | deadcat | Picallo: then #debian.based.distro |
| 22:06.22 | Shadowarrior13 | Anyone know a page on how to configure the fstab? |
| 22:06.23 | Picallo | guadalinex |
| 22:06.32 | deadcat | Picallo: ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 22:06.35 | directhex | !debian solutions |
| 22:06.36 | bahamat | Picallo: well is it debian, or is it merely debian based? |
| 22:06.36 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 22:06.40 | PerfDave | Picallo: Then you should use guadalinex's support channels, not Debian's. |
| 22:06.41 | deadcat | Shadowarrior13: man 5 fstab |
| 22:06.52 | valdyn | Shadowarrior13: man mount && man fstab |
| 22:07.09 | Maulkin | directhex: Historical archives from http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/yggdrasil/ |
| 22:07.23 | Maulkin | Bah, dionoea even |
| 22:07.24 | directhex | Picallo, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper. if that doesn't work, it's a guadalinex problem, which you should take elsewhere |
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| 22:07.38 | Picallo | well the use debian packages |
| 22:07.45 | PerfDave | abrotman: He's a teenager ;) |
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| 22:07.51 | Picallo | and almost 95 % is debian |
| 22:07.53 | soth` | when i apt-get install a package that has options (like exim4 metapackage) how do i tell it which to use |
| 22:07.53 | directhex | Picallo, so my solution works perfectly? well done |
| 22:07.55 | zulu42 | I have a very strange pb.. the font used for the menu toolbar or my apps are randomly sized... I have to restart gdm 5 to 10 time gdm for having the right size!! anyone had this kind of pb? |
| 22:07.56 | PerfDave | Picallo: But it's not Debian, if it was Debian it'd be called Debian wouldn't it? |
| 22:07.59 | directhex | PerfDave, i'm 21 in a couple of weeks, ta |
| 22:08.08 | PerfDave | directhex: Coo, where's the party? ;p |
| 22:08.26 | dionoea | Maulkin: thanks :) |
| 22:08.37 | deadcat | debian based distro has a diff name. else they be called "debian based linux" |
| 22:08.39 | Picallo | PerfDave u are right... |
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| 22:08.55 | Maulkin | !u |
| 22:08.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:09.02 | zulu42 | this particulary happen with firefox and a few other apps... |
| 22:09.11 | PerfDave | Picallo: Anyway, directhex has given you the Debian solution to your problem. If it doesn't work, its not our problem. |
| 22:09.17 | deadcat | although we COULD help you. but most of us wont. |
| 22:09.19 | asg | directhex: I thought SLS predated yggdrasil |
| 22:09.20 | bahamat | !aolify Picallo |
| 22:09.33 | zulu42 | firefox on linux use gtk toolkit? does this means it is a gtk font related pb? |
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| 22:10.00 | dmitry | Hi, does anyone knows how to resize NTFS partition under linux ? |
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| 22:10.08 | deadcat | dmitry: qparted |
| 22:10.13 | PerfDave | dmitry: ntfsresize? |
| 22:10.15 | deadcat | or just parted |
| 22:10.23 | stuart_ | what was ragan's WM again? |
| 22:10.27 | stuart_ | xfvs or something |
| 22:10.28 | directhex | zulu42, yes & maybe |
| 22:10.29 | the_real_maniac | PerfDave: hm :( /msg dpkg usrlocal - not my case -> 1st by default every compilation goes to /usr/local and 2nd mplayer/mencoder/etc are in /usr/local |
| 22:10.32 | gasper | hi |
| 22:10.48 | bahamat | dmitry: yea, first you delete the partition, then you boot the windows cd and create a new ntfs partition of a different size |
| 22:10.51 | takatumi | stuart_: /msg dpkg xfce |
| 22:11.06 | cheal | !tell dmitry about ntfs resize |
| 22:11.10 | stuart_ | btw i can't seem to remove everything related to gnome.. i still logon into gnome's wm even after removing gnome using aptitude |
| 22:11.21 | gasper | i have a problem trying to compile the 2.6.11 kernel :S here i have the debug, I use a sarge: |
| 22:11.25 | gasper | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:56:22: drm_proc.h: El fitxer o directori no existeix |
| 22:11.25 | gasper | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:57:20: drm_vm.h: El fitxer o directori no existeix |
| 22:11.25 | gasper | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:58:22: drm_stub.h: El fitxer o directori no existeix |
| 22:11.25 | gasper | drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:59:25: drm_scatter.h: El fitxer o directori no existeix |
| 22:11.25 | gasper | drivers/char/drm/gamma_lists.h:161: avís: `DRM' defined but not used |
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| 22:11.26 | takatumi | stuart_: thats gdm |
| 22:11.26 | asg | !remove gnome |
| 22:11.27 | dpkg | methinks remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
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| 22:11.41 | stuart_ | oh alright |
| 22:11.46 | PerfDave | the_real_maniac: That doesn't mean it wasn't worth reading anyway :) |
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| 22:11.52 | stuart_ | i thought gdm was a part of gnome too |
| 22:11.54 | valdyn | !faq gasper |
| 22:11.55 | dpkg | gasper: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:12.10 | gasper | valdyn faq? |
| 22:12.11 | the_real_maniac | PerfDave: yes :) I just reply ;) |
| 22:12.17 | gasper | ah ok, thk |
| 22:12.17 | zulu42 | directhex, is there an utility controling the behaviour of gtk font? |
| 22:12.18 | bahamat | stuart_: it's independant, but probably the best looking dm available for Linux |
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| 22:13.01 | loren | whoah PerfDave, hey again ;) |
| 22:13.04 | PerfDave | bahamat: In that "Windows 3.0" style ;) |
| 22:13.07 | cj_ | takatumi: installed xfree86-driver-synaptics, and used "Driver" "synaptics", but "no synaptics touchpad detected" |
| 22:13.22 | bahamat | PerfDave: ?? |
| 22:13.30 | takatumi | cj_: which kernel? |
| 22:13.41 | valdyn | gasper: read the part about #debian etiquette please. |
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| 22:14.05 | gasper | ok, i'll try :S |
| 22:14.06 | cj_ | takatumi: kernel 2.6 (forgot to identify, i am joloc) |
| 22:14.29 | joloc | takatumi: now joloc |
| 22:15.06 | simonrvn | yes, i thnik he can see "nick change ) cj_ is now known as joloc" or something similar |
| 22:15.20 | takatumi | joloc: if psmouse and mousedev are loaded, I don't know whatelse could be wrong. |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: now abrotman!!!! |
| 22:15.37 | shwag | i have the SCSI tape drive option installed in my kernel, but /dev/st doesn't exist |
| 22:15.40 | abrotman | the mouse isn't plugged in? |
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| 22:15.43 | simonrvn | abrotman: O_O!!!! really?!?!166\! |
| 22:15.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: uhhuh .. i am! |
| 22:15.56 | takatumi | abrotman: its a touchpad. |
| 22:16.04 | joloc | takatumi: not sure how to find out exactly which hardware my touchpad is... |
| 22:16.06 | abrotman | bah .. plug in a real mouse :) |
| 22:16.06 | simonrvn | man, that's amazing |
| 22:16.13 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net |
| 22:16.19 | simonrvn | joloc: new or old machine? |
| 22:16.20 | joloc | takatumi: anything else in proc i could try? |
| 22:16.20 | takatumi | joloc: dmesg |
| 22:16.31 | joloc | takatumi: ok |
| 22:16.31 | simonrvn | if new, probably synaptics |
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| 22:16.38 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 22:16.50 | joloc | simonrvn: medion laptop from about 2003 |
| 22:17.06 | abrotman | wtf is medion? |
| 22:17.15 | Eclipser | !medion |
| 22:17.15 | dpkg | hmm... medion is see lifetec |
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| 22:17.22 | Eclipser | !lifetec |
| 22:17.22 | dpkg | somebody said lifetec was at http://experte.kt2.tu-harburg.de/Linux/LT9888.html ... if you can't read german, see babelfish, or for X see cyber9397 |
| 22:17.31 | abrotman | cute |
| 22:17.39 | valdyn | medion is the "brand" used by the largest german food discounter |
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| 22:18.02 | abrotman | his laptop is food ? |
| 22:18.09 | joloc | takatumi: mouse doesn't appear in dmesg |
| 22:18.11 | abrotman | is that like ACME here? |
| 22:18.20 | dmitry | tnx I allready tried parted, but it works only with FAT and ntfsresize advices to use FDISK, which does not see any changes after ntfsresize |
| 22:18.21 | abrotman | joloc: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 22:18.27 | zulu42 | ok nobody with random sized fond? I don't know where to start to solve this !@$ pb :( |
| 22:18.31 | takatumi | joloc: has it ever worked? |
| 22:18.36 | abrotman | !fondle zulu42 |
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| 22:19.15 | dvs | dpkg is dead again |
| 22:19.15 | joloc | takatumi: it worked under 2.4 and 2.2. |
| 22:19.15 | simonrvn | zulu42: fond? as in background? |
| 22:19.15 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:19.15 | joloc | abrotman: this is debian kernel |
| 22:19.15 | valdyn | abrotman: sells computers too, but i think you'd have to see to understand, it doesnt compare to walmart |
| 22:19.15 | dvs | !worked in 2.4 |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 22:19.15 | joloc | abrotman: 2.6.10 |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | valdyn: gotcha |
| 22:19.19 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 22:19.21 | abrotman | joloc: did yu install discover? |
| 22:19.26 | joloc | abrotman: yes |
| 22:19.26 | zulu42 | simonrvn, oops sorry I mean fonts |
| 22:19.34 | takatumi | joloc: dmesg |grep -i synaptics |
| 22:19.36 | abrotman | zulu42: fond du lac!!! |
| 22:19.45 | simonrvn | themolester: could please turn that off? i've put up with it for a year or more |
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| 22:19.49 | joloc | takatumi: nothing |
| 22:19.53 | zulu42 | kler and y'a l'feu au lake |
| 22:19.57 | zulu42 | :) |
| 22:20.01 | themolester | simonm first off, every time i upgrade it would turn back on |
| 22:20.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: he got kicked earlier |
| 22:20.09 | abrotman | !ping |
| 22:20.09 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:20.09 | themolester | and secondly what does it hurt |
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| 22:20.11 | gasper | plz can help me? i have problems with command "make modules" compiling kernel 2.6.11 in a debian sarge. It says that DRM module files are not in debian source, but i could compile it with a debian woody. |
| 22:20.21 | simonrvn | zulu42: oh, ok. |
| 22:20.25 | PerfDave | DRM modules? *fear* |
| 22:20.30 | PerfDave | gasper: make-kpkg? |
| 22:20.30 | themolester | i've never understood what it hurts, and i ahve numerous times enjoyed OTHERS running them elsewhere |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | LoRez: can you get themolester to stop with the !ping again ? |
| 22:20.32 | dvs | !kp gasper |
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| 22:20.39 | takatumi | joloc: maybe unrelated but is usb legacy support enabled in the BIOS? |
| 22:20.40 | zulu42 | the craziest thing is that is random! |
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| 22:20.48 | LoRez | themolester: turn off your !ping reply. |
| 22:21.01 | simonrvn | themolester: you mean me? what would? is this a script? |
| 22:21.02 | themolester | LoRez i cant |
| 22:21.09 | zulu42 | I thought random happen only in windows or dead hardware!! :) |
| 22:21.10 | joloc | takatumi: don't know off the top of my head... will see |
| 22:21.13 | abrotman | themolester: you can |
| 22:21.16 | themolester | yes, its built into my script i use |
| 22:21.18 | netic | is there such a console that appears as wallpaper in X? |
| 22:21.22 | abrotman | take it out |
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| 22:21.30 | simonrvn | themolester: what client? |
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| 22:21.41 | gasper | PerfDave what is -kpkg? |
| 22:21.41 | joloc | takatumi: any way to find out without rebooting? |
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| 22:21.50 | takatumi | joloc: no. |
| 22:22.00 | dondelelcaro | gasper: that means kernel package |
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| 22:22.06 | joloc | takatumi: sigh, i thought so... |
| 22:22.20 | tyler_ | Does anyone know of a properly packaged gtk2 emacs? I really don't want to roll by own, but motif is just icky... |
| 22:22.30 | gasper | :S well, and what do i use it and what is it for???? |
| 22:22.32 | tyler_ | or xaw, or whatever the standard X emacs uses... |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | tyler_: apt-cache search emacs ? |
| 22:22.50 | pipeline | tyler_: emacs doesn't really take advantage of any toolkit, so it doesn't really matter. |
| 22:22.56 | zulu42 | gasper, you should try using the kernel-package |
| 22:23.04 | pipeline | tyler_: It's going to be "just icky" no matter what. |
| 22:23.16 | dondelelcaro | it's emacs. who actually uses the menus anyway? |
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| 22:23.26 | N00b2Debian | got a poser -- (first week with sarge) got everything working with lots of help from you guys .. is there a program somewhere in here that I can see like a graph of disk usage similar to 'properties' in windows right click? |
| 22:23.29 | joloc | takatumi: if usb legacy support is enabled in BIOS, should i disable it? |
| 22:23.33 | pipeline | tyler_: Debian, however, packages a GTK1.x xemacs as "xemacs-gnome" or something along those lines. |
| 22:23.39 | tyler_ | abrotman: It's not in the official repository |
| 22:23.46 | dondelelcaro | N00b2Debian: not a graph, but df -h; will show you what you want |
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| 22:23.49 | gasper | zulu42 i could do that, but i am compiling manually bec in kernel package i cannot load the sound module |
| 22:23.49 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I use the menus inserted by SLIME sometimes :P |
| 22:23.51 | tyler_ | pipeline: well, at least with GTK port it has a decent scrollbar :) |
| 22:23.52 | zulu42 | N00b2Debian, better use xdiskusage |
| 22:24.01 | pipeline | tyler_: No. It uses its own, native scrollbar. |
| 22:24.06 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: yeah, I've used the auctex ones... but that's extreemly rarely |
| 22:24.07 | pipeline | tyler_: You have to add mouse wheel support through elisp. |
| 22:24.16 | N00b2Debian | thx ) |
| 22:24.22 | takatumi | joloc: you could try, remember vaguely reading somewhere. |
| 22:24.22 | cheal | N00b2Debian: kwikdisk (KDE) |
| 22:24.26 | tyler_ | pipeline: the scrollbar in gtk emacs is definatly different than the standard x emacs |
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| 22:24.32 | abrotman | tyler_: ah .. gotcha |
| 22:24.45 | zulu42 | gasper, kernel-package just give you make-kpkg commands, for the kernel-source use the kerne-source* package |
| 22:24.53 | takatumi | joloc: maybe not, I don't think it'll matter. |
| 22:24.55 | zulu42 | or kernel-tree (I don't know for sarge) |
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| 22:25.59 | joloc | takatumi: maybe reboot under 2.4, and find out which touchpad i'm really dealing with... |
| 22:26.05 | jjazz | I just setup Cups. Cups shows the test page as a completed job, but nothing came out of my printer. The log file shows no errors. Where do I start looking for the error? |
| 22:26.17 | jjazz | The printer never showed any evidence of receiving the data at all. |
| 22:26.19 | takatumi | joloc: yes, that would help. |
| 22:26.32 | valdyn | jjazz: /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 22:26.53 | valdyn | !gs-esp |
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| 22:26.58 | valdyn | !cups |
| 22:26.58 | dpkg | [cups] a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 22:27.24 | gasper | thk zulu42, now it is doing something, i think that selecting packages to compile, but it will select packages following the .config file? |
| 22:27.38 | joloc | takatumi: right, see you after reboot |
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| 22:28.05 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 22:28.05 | dpkg | buckabeer is probably time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
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| 22:28.57 | Thaiger | Hi, how do I set what dns server I use? Right now I can't connect to or even ping anything that I don't know the IP of |
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| 22:29.09 | cafuego | Thaiger: Edit /erc/resolv.conf |
| 22:29.16 | jjazz | valdyn: There are no errors in that file. |
| 22:29.26 | streuner | Thaiger: take the server of your ISP |
| 22:29.41 | dmitry | Is there any possibility to use CANON i250 under Debian ? |
| 22:29.44 | cafuego | Or run your own dns, that works too. |
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| 22:30.00 | cafuego | dmitry: www.linux-printing.org |
| 22:30.14 | zulu42 | gasper, you should find the debian kernel howto :) |
| 22:30.16 | Thaiger | cafuego, streuner: Thanks |
| 22:30.44 | streuner | cafuego: is that a printer? |
| 22:30.48 | zulu42 | gasper, I don't know if this is a good id compiling a 2.6.11 in sarge... |
| 22:30.48 | blue_ | is there any risk what so ever to leaving my user logged in, other than the obvious someone coming to my house and using my computer |
| 22:30.56 | cheal | dmitry: IIRC, only with turbolinux (in other words, no luck) |
| 22:30.57 | cafuego | streuner: Yes. web-enabled |
| 22:31.06 | green_earz | Thaiger: do you know what your isp dns is ? |
| 22:31.20 | cafuego | streuner: I'll assume it is, pending futher information. |
| 22:31.38 | zulu42 | gasper, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 22:31.54 | gasper | zulu42 thanks |
| 22:32.47 | green_earz | Thaiger: is the box with the dns problem behind a router ? |
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| 22:34.22 | zulu42 | gasper, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 22:34.39 | Thaiger | green_earz, I have dsl and they gave me this stupid bridge that normally does my dns for me, but its not doing it today |
| 22:34.46 | streuner | Thaiger: NameServer: DNS1.UTELFLA.COM |
| 22:34.46 | streuner | NameServer: DNS2.UTELFLA.COM |
| 22:34.59 | Thaiger | green_earz, So I just used tor to resolve this server and googles and looked up a public dns |
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| 22:35.19 | Thaiger | streuner: I found one, thanks |
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| 22:35.26 | streuner | Thaiger: take that for your DNS-servers in /etc/resolv.conf, but you need the IP's... |
| 22:36.17 | gasper | zulu42 it crashed in the same error |
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| 22:36.26 | streuner | Thaiger: host DNS2.UTELFLA.COM |
| 22:36.38 | nasty | when emerging anything (gkrellm for this example), I get a traceback and first error encountered is ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.3/lib-dynload/_bsddb.so: undefined symbol: db_strerror_4002 I've tried removing and reinstalling with no luck. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:36.50 | simonrvn | nasty: #gentoo |
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| 22:37.01 | nasty | simonm, LOl sorry.. i meant apt-get |
| 22:37.15 | absimiliard | hi im newbie |
| 22:37.16 | Thaiger | streuner, I already got it all set up now thanks ^_^ |
| 22:37.22 | streuner | ok |
| 22:37.22 | simonrvn | missing python module |
| 22:37.26 | nasty | simonm, i'm working on two boxes on oposite sides of the continent.. just got a little confused |
| 22:37.33 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:37.41 | dondelelcaro | nasty: that looks like you've got conflicting versions of libdb installed, or you've custom built something against the wrong version of libdb |
| 22:37.52 | absimiliard | i have 1 question over log files |
| 22:37.54 | shwag | having trouble resolving this error... tar -xf -b 64 -f /dev/st0 tar: Multiple archive files require `-M' option |
| 22:38.07 | simonrvn | or what dondelelcaro said :) |
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| 22:38.07 | dondelelcaro | shwag: you've given two -f options |
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| 22:38.09 | dmitry | Advice please application to write changes on HDD after ntfsresize (excepting FDISK ) |
| 22:38.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell absimiliard about ask |
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| 22:38.40 | nasty | simonrvn, lib-dynload? |
| 22:38.43 | shwag | dondelelcaro, your right! |
| 22:38.55 | simonrvn | no such module |
| 22:39.00 | absimiliard | sorry my english is very very bad |
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| 22:39.13 | dondelelcaro | absimiliard: that's fine... just ask the actual question you've got |
| 22:39.39 | nasty | simonrvn, any ideas on which? >.< |
| 22:39.41 | absimiliard | im need known the file log under the system linux debian register the exit conection to other machines |
| 22:40.05 | PerfDave | absimiliard: What is your native language? |
| 22:40.13 | absimiliard | spanish |
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| 22:40.16 | bahamat | absimiliard: what type of connection? |
| 22:40.20 | streuner | !es |
| 22:40.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:40.27 | absimiliard | sorry |
| 22:40.28 | typo | how can I change the theme KDE apps use in gnome? |
| 22:40.32 | absimiliard | thanks for all |
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| 22:40.43 | mte | hi..on freebsd i could change all the iso8859-1 in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias to iso8859-2 with no problems - if i do it in debian then X won't run. What could be missing? |
| 22:40.48 | simonrvn | nasty: i think dondelelcaro is right. missing or wrong libdb installed. my guess is it's looking for libdb4.2 |
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| 22:41.07 | zulu42 | mte, bsd :) |
| 22:41.14 | bahamat | mte: somebody doing sane things at the keyboard |
| 22:41.32 | bahamat | mte: if you want -2 fonts install them |
| 22:41.35 | mte | hmm..and this would mean what? |
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| 22:41.50 | bahamat | mte: that means that what you did wasn't very smart |
| 22:42.18 | mte | well..then what package are they in? |
| 22:42.24 | mte | i couldn't find them.. |
| 22:42.52 | bahamat | mte: apt-cache search 8859-2 |
| 22:43.23 | mte | tnx, didn't know how to search (this is my first day in debian..) |
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| 22:43.39 | bahamat | mte: ah, that's not so bad then |
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| 22:43.57 | bahamat | mte: I did plenty of stupid things on my first day with debian, and on subsequent days as well |
| 22:44.13 | mte | yeah we all do them ;) |
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| 22:45.12 | pattieja | anybody have a clue as to how to run the Samsung CLP-510N Color Laser Printer installation program under Debian Sarge? It bombs saying it can't find GLIBC 2.1 |
| 22:45.29 | simonrvn | glibc in sarge should provide that |
| 22:45.39 | pattieja | actually, I assume all I need is the PPD file for CUPS and away I go |
| 22:45.51 | mte | bahamat: hmm..still it finds only some strange-named fonts like biznet, roxen, ..but nothing similar to those in fonts.alias... |
| 22:46.13 | pattieja | simonrvn, ./setup.sh |
| 22:46.13 | pattieja | ./setup.sh: line 260: 26498 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL |
| 22:46.13 | pattieja | The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 22:46.20 | pattieja | Please contact your Customer Support |
| 22:46.30 | simonrvn | hehe. |
| 22:46.38 | bahamat | mte: don't worry about that, just install some -2 fonts, and make sure your LANG environment is set to something that uses -2 and it should use them |
| 22:46.43 | simonrvn | sorry, not laughing at you :) |
| 22:46.56 | simonrvn | sessiz: grr |
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| 22:47.04 | jjazz | Cups claims to have completed my jobs, but the printer shows no sign of it. /var/log/cups/error_log shows no errors. Any suggestions? |
| 22:47.09 | mte | bahamat, thanks |
| 22:47.24 | pattieja | simonrvn, I'm just wondering where Samsung's been for the last, ohh, couple of years??? The out of the box support for the brand new printer includes RedHat 6.2!! |
| 22:47.34 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 22:47.38 | pattieja | among other older versions of SuSE, etc. |
| 22:47.47 | simonrvn | pattieja: looks like they've been sleeping |
| 22:48.08 | simonrvn | and i bet they have x86-only "drivers" too |
| 22:49.03 | pattieja | simonrvn, ppc is included |
| 22:49.07 | nasty | simonrvn, i think i found it.. stupid click monkies where the box is at compiled strerror for sendmail :( |
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| 22:49.19 | simonrvn | pattieja: wow, i'm amazed and surprised |
| 22:49.33 | simonrvn | nasty: oh |
| 22:51.02 | pattieja | simonrvn, the graphical installer came up this time. I had to export DISPLAY and allow xhost + for root to connect to my desktop |
| 22:51.15 | simonrvn | xauth xauth |
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| 22:51.54 | pattieja | simonrvn, I will give Samsung this: I don't know how they did it, but when you put the driver CD in under Windows, it comes up with a totally different filesystem than when you put it in under Linux and mount it. Completely different. Under Windows, you only see the Windows driver stuff. Under Linux, you only see the Linux stuff. |
| 22:52.01 | pattieja | simonrvn, sorry |
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| 22:52.36 | burtonator | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=44520 - Why hasn't this bug been fixed since 1999. Having CVSup in testing is kinda important |
| 22:52.49 | dov | hola gente ! |
| 22:52.53 | sundial | does anyone know why there is a udf for dvd+rw but not for dvd+r? |
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| 22:53.07 | nyetzsche | anyone know of a package that would allow me to do a 3D barplot? (that is, a 2D array of upward-reaching bars...) |
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| 22:53.51 | chealer | "Potato is called "unstable" for a reason", hehe :) |
| 22:53.57 | tictac_ | hmm. there seems to be a problem with ftp.debian.org as the server with the address of 128.101.80.133 doesn't seem to be responding. |
| 22:54.07 | bahamat | chealer: what?? |
| 22:54.18 | PerfDave | burtonator: looks like it's been fixed but not marked as closed? |
| 22:54.23 | bahamat | chealer: where'd you see that? |
| 22:54.27 | chealer | bahamat: referring to burtonator's complain |
| 22:54.41 | streuner | --- 128.101.80.133 ping statistics --- |
| 22:54.41 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 22:54.43 | tictac_ | however, newsamosa.debian.org which is at 208.185.25.35 works great |
| 22:54.47 | tictac_ | hmm. |
| 22:55.02 | simonrvn | pattieja: eh? np |
| 22:55.16 | jerome | I wonder if Debian Scud has already been used. There are lots of toy story characters left. Etch is not one of the nicest consistency :/ |
| 22:55.17 | pattieja | simonrvn, I meant the xauth |
| 22:55.18 | burtonator | PerfDave: hm.. maybe.. I can't figure out why cvsup is not in testing them.... |
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| 22:55.19 | tictac_ | --- 128.101.80.133 ping statistics --- |
| 22:55.19 | tictac_ | 13 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 12018ms |
| 22:55.27 | pattieja | simonrvn, sorry about not using xauth |
| 22:55.32 | simonrvn | pattieja: yeh, multi-session CD. |
| 22:55.33 | pattieja | never took the time to figure it out |
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| 22:55.44 | simonrvn | pattieja: i'm sorry for you actually ;) |
| 22:55.47 | pattieja | simonrvn, how does it work, though? |
| 22:55.53 | streuner | tictac_: on a wild guess, are you using an router/gateway? |
| 22:55.55 | pattieja | simonrvn, yeah, I know. security and such |
| 22:55.55 | bahamat | burtonator: probably because it's completely irrelevant to Debian |
| 22:56.13 | stuartSan | reinstalled debian yet again |
| 22:56.21 | stuartSan | can't seem to apt-get install xfce |
| 22:56.24 | burtonator | bahamat: its not ... CVSup is a great way to manage version control within clusters |
| 22:56.29 | simonrvn | xauth has an interactive feature. easier to use that for newbies (for me anyway) |
| 22:56.35 | burtonator | we use it to version control the OS for our entire Debian Linux cluster |
| 22:56.38 | burtonator | its awesome! |
| 22:57.01 | pattieja | simonrvn, heh. I meant the multi-session CD |
| 22:57.02 | tictac_ | hmm. weird. |
| 22:57.02 | PerfDave | burtonator: Check the QA pages? |
| 22:57.04 | stuartSan | xfce IS the WM's name right? |
| 22:57.10 | tictac_ | streuner: nevermind. |
| 22:57.11 | bahamat | burtonator: build your own apt repository, it's easier |
| 22:57.18 | streuner | tictac_: firewall issue? |
| 22:57.33 | bahamat | stuartSan: nope |
| 22:57.52 | tictac_ | not sure why it's an issue, but im guessing thats the problem. i can ping other ftp.debian.org servers fine |
| 22:57.57 | simonrvn | pattieja: oh, not sure... i think it detects the OS via script, then loads the relvant stuff. i bet it has a mock os session too, if it supports PPC |
| 22:58.04 | stuartSan | whats the name of that WM then |
| 22:58.04 | chealer | burtonator: the bug is fixed |
| 22:58.07 | N00b2Debian | I still cant get over this is all free |
| 22:58.08 | bahamat | stuartSan: you probably want to install xfce4 |
| 22:58.12 | PerfDave | burtonator: Looks like there are no bugs in cvsup which have not been fixed in NMU. |
| 22:58.25 | tictac_ | i shelled out and can ping it from there, so it has to be somewhere on my end., |
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| 22:58.32 | chealer | N00b2Debian: just send us a little money, it'll be okay :-P |
| 22:58.34 | N00b2Debian | I'm gonna have to get me some debian clothes |
| 22:58.46 | streuner | tictac_: if you connected to i-net and you aren't able to ping, that sounds to me for an firewall issue then... |
| 22:58.46 | tictac_ | N00b2Debian: why? |
| 22:58.50 | jerome | stuartSan: xfwm4 is the WM, XFCE4 is a desktop environment |
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| 22:58.55 | burtonator | bahamat: no... its not really... I mean I could explain why its that much harder but it is... CVSup is zen :) |
| 22:59.10 | N00b2Debian | to try and help the cause .. i'm no coder so I cant do much there |
| 22:59.11 | Zeromus | HIAL HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:59.17 | burtonator | PerfDave: whats NMU!? |
| 22:59.19 | tictac_ | streuner: 128.101.80.133 is the only address im having issues pinging. |
| 22:59.21 | jerome | whow |
| 22:59.23 | stew | !nmu |
| 22:59.23 | dpkg | i heard nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 22:59.28 | simonrvn | Zeromus: STFU |
| 22:59.31 | streuner | tictac_: look into the manual of the gateway/router |
| 22:59.38 | tictac_ | ... |
| 22:59.44 | simonrvn | @ops please ban Zeromus |
| 22:59.47 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please ban Zeromus |
| 22:59.52 | chealer | !nickometer N00b2Debian |
| 22:59.52 | dpkg | 'N00b2Debian' is 99.730% lame, chealer |
| 23:00.04 | chealer | N00b2Debian: coding is something that can be learned :) |
| 23:00.07 | N00b2Debian | bleh I dont want to be that lame cant we change that.. |
| 23:00.09 | PerfDave | burtonator: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cvsup.html may be of interest. Looks like it might not make the Sarge release due to freezing. |
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| 23:00.14 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 23:00.28 | stuartSan | whats the difference between a desktop enviroment and a WM? |
| 23:00.31 | chealer | N00b2Debian: you can :) |
| 23:00.39 | streuner | heh, s(he) spelled that wrong, 'Heil' is the right term :-) |
| 23:00.47 | PerfDave | stuartSan: A desktop environment is a WM with a bunch of integrated applications. |
| 23:00.53 | simonrvn | stuartSan: a wm just manages the windows. hence the name wm = window manager |
| 23:00.58 | gary | Is there a way to easily resize a partition in linux. I have only one partition that is both my / and /home. I have another partition of 20gb that is unused, i'd like to make this parition part of /dev/hda1 |
| 23:01.07 | jerome | stuartSan: a WM handles windows, a DE is hipped with some nice apps to handle the whole desktop (menus, bars, etc) |
| 23:01.09 | PerfDave | stuartSan: There's very little practical difference, since you can run the "integrated" applications in other WMs. |
| 23:01.18 | PerfDave | gary: parted, qtparted |
| 23:01.22 | streuner | gary: try 'gqparted' |
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| 23:01.31 | simonrvn | stuartSan: yeh. fucking idiot he is. can't even spell it right, besides being a neo-nazi |
| 23:01.31 | streuner | gary: qtparted* |
| 23:01.32 | chealer | PerfDave: it just lookd outdated |
| 23:01.34 | revenger | is there a tool available to convert inches to metric values? |
| 23:01.42 | gary | thank you PerfDave streuner |
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| 23:01.45 | stew | revenger: google |
| 23:01.58 | revenger | I know google but a shell tool would be nice :) |
| 23:01.58 | stew | revenger: google for "10 inches in meters" |
| 23:02.01 | simonrvn | afk |
| 23:02.05 | PerfDave | revenger: units |
| 23:02.17 | stuartSan | neat, so i'll get the DE now |
| 23:02.19 | gary | One more thing. I have my linux server, and i'd like to backup the hard drive on it. I mean completely image it. So that if anything goes wrong i can simply just format it, and re-install the image. Is there a nice, reliable and easy way to do this? |
| 23:02.19 | stew | revenger: echo "10 * 2.54" | bc :) |
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| 23:02.33 | aardvark | !godwinsmite simonrvn |
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| 23:02.41 | jerome | stuartSan: there are a lot of very different WM, for the simplest to the funniest via the foolest. DE are somewhat very similar in functionnality. |
| 23:02.42 | revenger | stew: 10 == metric already or inches? |
| 23:02.50 | revenger | inches I guess :) |
| 23:02.52 | revenger | great thanks |
| 23:02.58 | debiangreenhorn | hows that? |
| 23:03.11 | stuartSan | jerome, twm seems very easy to handle for me, despite it being very ugly |
| 23:03.30 | jerome | stuartSan: handy, that's teh word for twm :) |
| 23:03.34 | stuartSan | i really liked gnome and kde but they were acting very weird on my pc, can't login after i logged out, or else it'd hang at the splash screen |
| 23:03.42 | stuartSan | thats why i was looking for substitutes |
| 23:03.42 | chealer | !nickometer debiangreenhorn |
| 23:03.46 | stuartSan | not sure what caused the crashes |
| 23:03.55 | debiangreenhorn | woohoo .... |
| 23:04.07 | chealer | debiangreenhorn: welcome to debian! just a little long though :) |
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| 23:04.20 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 23:04.42 | jerome | stuartSan: twm does what it is supposed to do, and it has a menu, so you won't struggle to launch apps :) |
| 23:04.44 | Kiowas | how can I rename a file whose filename begins with -? bash keeps trying to interpret it even if I put it in quotes |
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| 23:04.53 | jerome | Kiowas: use -- |
| 23:04.56 | stuartSan | so lemme get this straight, DE requires WM's? |
| 23:05.02 | jerome | Kiowas: rm -- -yourfile |
| 23:05.20 | jerome | for instance |
| 23:05.30 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Yes, but they're usually transparent. The KDE WM is called "kwin", Gnome apparently can have a variety. |
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| 23:05.41 | jerome | stuartSan: yep |
| 23:05.47 | Gnurdux | i fixed the X now im workign on cups cna someone help? |
| 23:05.51 | Kiowas | thanks |
| 23:05.52 | chealer | debiangreen: now you're in the team ;) |
| 23:06.09 | stuartSan | i might try reinstalling with only gnome-core tho but that'll be sometime. don't want another screwed up install |
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| 23:06.36 | streuner | Gnurdux: printing in linux sucks, but try #cups |
| 23:06.54 | debiangreen | does the cabbage patch |
| 23:06.58 | burtonator | PerfDave: this is strange... if it says that its accepted in unstable, and I change my apt line,.. why can't apt-cache search cvsup find it? |
| 23:07.00 | stuartSan | ok i've installed xfce4, but whats the command to start it, startx? |
| 23:07.19 | netic | is there such a console that appears as wallpaper in X? |
| 23:07.30 | streuner | stuartSan: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 23:07.33 | cafuego | ooh, cabbage! |
| 23:07.39 | jerome | stuartSan: you might need to add the necessary commands to ~/.xinitrc before |
| 23:07.40 | cafuego | cabbage cheese & potato |
| 23:07.51 | debiangreen | lol .. someones hunry |
| 23:08.14 | cafuego | no, i just love cooking |
| 23:08.26 | chealer | burtonator: http://packages.debian.org/cvsup it WAS accepted in unstable |
| 23:08.31 | PerfDave | burtonator: Did you apt-get update? You want to be careful not to "upgrade" your entire system to unstable. |
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| 23:09.12 | BhaalWK | Hey, how do I get X-Chat to load a script at startup time? |
| 23:09.14 | PerfDave | burtonator: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 23:09.36 | burtonator | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.40 | chealer | BhaalWK: ask #xchat |
| 23:09.43 | jerome | \o/ |
| 23:09.51 | debiangreen_maki | hmm that didnt werk right |
| 23:10.07 | BhaalWK | chealer: Thats probably a good idea... |
| 23:10.11 | streuner | BhaalWK: there is an folder in ~/.xchat, IIRC |
| 23:10.22 | BhaalWK | chealer: See, if it wasnt for you ...... :) |
| 23:10.40 | xbalanque | hi all, I'm looking for a way to install a debian in a second disk. I really don't want to reboot the machine (in a CD) for that, because I'm doing other things with the computer. I wonder if there were a way to just copy over the base install files, and within a shell chrooted to the install partition, let dselect do the rest of the job. Any ideas how to do this ? |
| 23:10.56 | chealer | BhaalWK: hehe, a brain can need someone else's brain to stop being lazy |
| 23:11.06 | jerome | xbalanque: sure, debootstrap |
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| 23:11.10 | PerfDave | xbalanque: debootstrap |
| 23:11.16 | Flash_ | woo.. few people here... |
| 23:11.28 | BhaalWK | chealer: I do have another excuse, Ive only been awake for 30mins... :) |
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| 23:11.42 | Flash_ | Is distcc available for debian as a .deb package ? |
| 23:11.44 | stuart_ | whoa |
| 23:11.48 | PerfDave | Flash_: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:11.49 | cafuego | Flash_: yes |
| 23:11.51 | stuart_ | xfce is neater than i thought |
| 23:11.52 | directhex | xbalanque, debootstrap |
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| 23:12.34 | jerome | I should try sawfish with xfce4 apps one of this days, not sure it's really compliant. |
| 23:12.57 | stuart_ | do i really need the nvidia acceleration with linux |
| 23:13.07 | streuner | Isn't 3.4 in KDE packaged? |
| 23:13.10 | jerome | stuart_: do you need to play games ? |
| 23:13.10 | directhex | stuart_, do you want 3d? |
| 23:13.15 | PerfDave | stuart_: Not if you don't want it. |
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| 23:13.32 | burtonator | PerfDave: did that sid/sarge mix... btw you can do the same thing by just adding unstable as your second apt line.. the problem is that it STILL doesn't seem cvsup so somethings a bit wrong |
| 23:13.36 | stuart_ | well, i might want to watch .avi's if that affects it somehow |
| 23:13.37 | chealer | streuner: not officially. #debian-kde |
| 23:13.46 | ik-ppc | hi, what is rm -rf / for? |
| 23:13.47 | stuart_ | and heavy flashes |
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| 23:13.49 | stuart_ | other than that, not really |
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| 23:14.13 | chealer | ik-ppc: don't try it |
| 23:14.16 | Flash_ | ik-ppc: you _are_ joking right ? |
| 23:14.25 | jerome | stuart_: you won't need it for this purpose. |
| 23:14.28 | gary | It's not very good practice to keep the /home and / in the same partition is it? |
| 23:14.38 | ik-ppc | i dont know what is that for |
| 23:14.39 | chealer | stuart_: heavy flashes? SWF? |
| 23:14.59 | stuart_ | chealer, you know the ones with so much detail and screenload that it lags |
| 23:15.14 | jerome | ik-ppc: if you ware told to issue this command to solve a problem, you'll solve ours in the same time. |
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| 23:15.24 | jerome | ik-ppc: you might regret though |
| 23:15.27 | chealer | stuart_: if it's 2d, you won't need it. |
| 23:15.47 | xbalanque | thanks all that answered :), debootstrap |
| 23:15.56 | stuart_ | i wanna get nvidia setup on my pc for the sake of having a multimedia pc, but am afraid that it might be the cause why something was wrong with my pc before this |
| 23:16.13 | ik-ppc | i ask how can i see the kde version and someone say i type that... |
| 23:16.15 | stuart_ | i guess i'll just wait on that one |
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| 23:17.00 | jerome | ik-ppc: type 'man rm' in a terminal. man stands for manual, it gives information about things. |
| 23:17.02 | dondelelcaro | ik-ppc: well, they lied. man rm; |
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| 23:17.25 | ik-ppc | ah ok =) |
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| 23:17.57 | chealer | ik-ppc: it's as helpful as format C: on windoze (if that's the right command) |
| 23:18.04 | ch | anyone using an ATI card with debian-amd64??? |
| 23:18.05 | khanman | xbalanque, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 23:18.30 | jerome | chealer: the analog command is deltree /y c: |
| 23:18.31 | streuner | ch: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 23:18.52 | chealer | jerome: ok then :) |
| 23:19.04 | stuart_ | okay ftp.us.debian.org is starting to get really laggy |
| 23:19.05 | ik-ppc | man rm fix problems? |
| 23:19.23 | cafuego | Oh wow, that's the most fucked-up console I've ever seen |
| 23:19.32 | jerome | ik-ppc: nope, it helps you to understand what the rm command stands for |
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| 23:19.46 | cafuego | Anything with a colour or bold code around it looks like it's written in a barcode font. |
| 23:19.49 | ik-ppc | oh ok |
| 23:19.52 | fooz | hrm, is this using mmv incorrectly?: mmv '*.sun-broken' '#1' |
| 23:19.52 | stuart_ | ik-ppc, what problems do you have anyways |
| 23:19.59 | ch | streu: can you help a bit more? |
| 23:20.00 | shev | hi, i mounted iso file using "mount -o loop -t iso9660 my_iso.iso /home/y", i want to add some stuff before i make a new iso of it.. but i am told, filesystem is only readable. how can i make it so that i can do changes, and then create a new iso? |
| 23:20.18 | ik-ppc | i want to install real player |
| 23:20.19 | dondelelcaro | shev: use cp -a; then use mkisofs later. |
| 23:20.28 | Topclass | Hi does anyone know of a guide to install captive-ntfs for debian (been trying for hours and all i have managed is having the computer not boot :D) |
| 23:20.29 | dondelelcaro | shev: alternatively, use growisofs |
| 23:20.42 | shev | okay, thanks |
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| 23:20.46 | chealer | !tell ik-ppc about realplayer |
| 23:21.00 | ik-ppc | ok |
| 23:21.28 | pipeline | Topclass: Don't install captive-ntfs. It's a dead project with a lot of equally dead dependencies. Just give up. |
| 23:21.30 | jjazz | Cups tells me my job is completed, but the printer shows no sign of having received the input. /var/log/cups/error_log shows no errors. Any suggestions? |
| 23:21.56 | Topclass | ok then is there another way of getting full ntfs access? |
| 23:21.58 | pipeline | Topclass: If you really, really, really have to have NTFS under linux, I suggest you install VMware and use a guest copy of NT to share the NTFS filesystem over the virtual network. |
| 23:22.15 | pipeline | Topclass: VMware is about $300, but they have a 14 day trial or something. |
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| 23:22.24 | aeolist_ | how can i reconfigure my network settings with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 23:22.42 | Topclass | so effectivly there is no good way to support ntfs from linux? |
| 23:22.46 | fooz | Topclass, qemu |
| 23:23.11 | gary | Is it possible to tell linux to mount a different drive as the /home directory? |
| 23:23.19 | chealer | aeolist_: maybe dpkg-reconfigure etherconf, if it's installed |
| 23:23.23 | Topclass | fooz: whats that? |
| 23:23.24 | pipeline | gary: Yes, you need to edit the /etc/fstab file. |
| 23:23.27 | transgress | gary: if it has it's own partition |
| 23:23.30 | gary | pipeline: hmmm |
| 23:23.35 | fooz | Topclass, it's like vmware (if you use the proprietary accelerator module) |
| 23:23.38 | jerome | Topclass: support is limited to reading, and eventually writing, but creating is unsupported IIRC |
| 23:23.49 | fooz | Topclass, without the module, it's a PC emulator (kinda slow) |
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| 23:23.57 | fooz | Topclass, it's all at least free as in beer, though |
| 23:23.59 | transgress | there is write support but it's experimental |
| 23:24.02 | gary | pipeline, transgress: well i have a 20gb unused partition. I wanted to format it as ext2 or ext3, and then make linux start using this as the / and /home partition |
| 23:24.03 | pipeline | Topclass, fooz: qemu doesn't offer raw disk access, and the network I/O is terrible. Even with the accelerator module, it's extremely slow. |
| 23:24.06 | transgress | in 2.6 |
| 23:24.06 | DaCa | gary: sure its always a good idea to have home on a separate partition |
| 23:24.07 | aeolist_ | chealer nah |
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| 23:24.13 | fooz | hmm |
| 23:24.16 | gary | DaCa: yea, i will do that some time son |
| 23:24.19 | gary | soon* |
| 23:24.23 | fooz | i've run it from a disk before, but ok.. i'll take your word for it |
| 23:24.23 | pipeline | gary: You have a 20G unused partition? Is it contiguous with your existing partition? |
| 23:24.35 | Topclass | no like i said ntfs is a nono then :( |
| 23:24.40 | Topclass | so not no |
| 23:24.46 | gary | pipeline: it is a seperate, undefined partition. All i need to do is format it as ext or ext3 |
| 23:24.52 | pipeline | Topclass: That's the long and short of it. I suggest you back up and wipe your NTFS. |
| 23:25.05 | pipeline | gary: Yeah, if it's contigous, you could grow your existing partition out. |
| 23:25.09 | gary | pipeline: it is in /dev/hda like my / and /home is |
| 23:25.33 | pipeline | gary: That's not an answer. Is it back to back? |
| 23:25.42 | gary | pipeline: if you mean, is it in the next partition? Then no, it is /dev/hda2 - my linux / and /home, /dev/hda3 is swap and /dev/hda4 is my unused partition |
| 23:25.54 | pipeline | gary: The partition numbers are also not an answer. |
| 23:26.05 | gary | sorry |
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| 23:26.18 | pipeline | gary: when you run cfdisk /dev/hda, does the free space appear after your existing partition but before any others? |
| 23:26.25 | dna_ | !dkpg chmod |
| 23:26.30 | pipeline | gary: cfdisk is helpful because it lets you visualize a little bit :P |
| 23:26.30 | dna_ | dkpg chmod |
| 23:27.14 | gary | pipeline: it is not contiguous. My linux partition is first, then swap and then the unused space |
| 23:27.31 | ik-ppc | i download the real player, now i just click on it? =/ |
| 23:27.41 | pipeline | gary: Ah, that's more complicated then. Well, what you want to do is "mke2fs -j /dev/hda4" to create a new ext3 filesystem |
| 23:28.05 | pipeline | gary: Then mount that filesystem somewhere, copy your /home data over to it, rm -r /home/*, then edit fstab in order to mount the new partition AT /home |
| 23:28.48 | gary | ahh, simple enough then pipeline |
| 23:28.48 | chealer | ik-ppc: maybe, it's not supported here anyway (unless you're talking about helix) |
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| 23:29.07 | soth` | how do i force runq to retry messages even if retry timeout hasn't expired? |
| 23:29.09 | gary | pipeline: can i copy /home over to my new parition, and NOT delete the old one - just to make sure it works |
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| 23:29.11 | ik-ppc | how can i install helix? |
| 23:29.21 | gary | pipeline: actually, that would clash wouldn't it |
| 23:29.28 | gary | pipeline: because then there would be two /home's |
| 23:29.33 | gary | i guess i could tar it, and save it somewhere |
| 23:29.34 | pipeline | gary: No, it would be fine. You just wouldn't be able to access the files hidden underneath the second mount |
| 23:29.49 | pipeline | gary: As in, when you mounted something new at /home, the files that were there before would be hidden. |
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| 23:29.51 | transgress | ik-ppc apt-get install helix-player |
| 23:29.56 | gary | yea |
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| 23:30.02 | ik-ppc | okis =) |
| 23:30.04 | MetaMorfozis | hi all |
| 23:30.07 | transgress | hi |
| 23:30.08 | pipeline | gary: They would still be there, just not accessible. |
| 23:30.17 | gary | I understand |
| 23:30.23 | gary | i'll tar and back it up |
| 23:30.26 | gary | then i'll try it |
| 23:30.35 | pipeline | gary: also, when you do the copying, I suggest you use 'tar' |
| 23:30.51 | MetaMorfozis | anyone can tell me where i can find c compiler? i want to set up vmware i was installed it but it says to me: |
| 23:30.57 | pipeline | gary: e.g. "tar -cpf - /home/* | (cd /target; tar -xf -)" |
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| 23:31.10 | MetaMorfozis | None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Workstation is suitable for your |
| 23:31.10 | MetaMorfozis | running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for |
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| 23:31.11 | MetaMorfozis | your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [no] |
| 23:31.21 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: install build-essential |
| 23:31.21 | stuartSan | hm i have alsa-utils and alsa-base installed in xfce, do i need a mixer? |
| 23:31.21 | transgress | isn't there a #flood on this server? |
| 23:31.25 | pipeline | gary: That command tars everything in /home/* into stdout, then pipes it to the stdin of a tar process that extracts it to /target/ |
| 23:31.26 | dondelelcaro | transgress: yes, there is. |
| 23:31.28 | dondelelcaro | transgress: see /topic |
| 23:31.40 | MetaMorfozis | build-essential? |
| 23:31.43 | pipeline | gary: 'tar' handles special files and permissions correctly, cp doesn't. |
| 23:31.57 | transgress | dondelelcaro i wasn't asking for me... but for the person who just pasted like 6 lines |
| 23:31.59 | gary | pipeline: i'm not too sure what stdout and stdin is, but i hear them a lot. But i will, trust you and use that command |
| 23:32.02 | gary | pipeline: i see |
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| 23:32.16 | pipeline | gary: stdout and stdin are fake files that exist for every running process. |
| 23:32.29 | MetaMorfozis | metagepe:/home/metamorfozis/opera# apt-get install build-essentiall |
| 23:32.29 | MetaMorfozis | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 23:32.29 | MetaMorfozis | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 23:32.30 | MetaMorfozis | E: Couldn't find package build-essentiall |
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| 23:32.38 | pipeline | gary: For example, when you run "ls," it writes all of its data to the fake file "stdout" and you see it on screen |
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| 23:32.42 | MetaMorfozis | sorry |
| 23:32.47 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: stop pasting here, please. |
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| 23:32.56 | MetaMorfozis | okay, sorry |
| 23:32.57 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: it's build-essential, not build-essentiall |
| 23:32.58 | transgress | perhaps if you spelled it right MetaMorfozis |
| 23:33.00 | pipeline | gary: The "|" character redirects everything from "stdout" on the left to the "stdin" of the command on the right side |
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| 23:33.22 | MetaMorfozis | oh |
| 23:33.22 | MetaMorfozis | :D |
| 23:33.24 | MetaMorfozis | thx |
| 23:33.32 | pipeline | gary: For example, "ls | less" would take the output of ls (on "stdout") and push it into less (on "stdin") |
| 23:33.45 | gary | ahh cover. like cat bleh | more |
| 23:33.50 | pipeline | gary: Exactly |
| 23:33.51 | gary | or grep |
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| 23:33.54 | gary | like a parser thing |
| 23:33.57 | MetaMorfozis | i installed it |
| 23:33.58 | gary | that's cool |
| 23:34.08 | pipeline | gary: In those "tar" commands, I supplied "-" as a filename, meaning "use stdout or stdin, whichever is applicable" |
| 23:34.13 | gary | pipeline: I will parition my 20gb hard drive to a 5gb partition which i'll use for home |
| 23:34.17 | MetaMorfozis | so i'm a lamer sorry i use debian 5days ago:) so i was installed it, i have c compiler? |
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| 23:34.26 | pipeline | gary: So the first command tars everything and feeds it into stdout, and the second untars everything from stdin and extracts it. |
| 23:34.37 | gary | ah i see |
| 23:34.39 | DaCa | gary: you dont have to do that, you can just mount your new partition over it, but to reclaim the space, you need to clean it with new partition unmounted of course |
| 23:34.42 | transgress | how in god's name did you install debian and not got a compiler? |
| 23:34.42 | MetaMorfozis | and I'm from hungary and my english grammar is bad.) |
| 23:34.49 | Empty | Anyone have a good reason why 'nmap -sP' shows a given host as "up" and ping and fping show it as down? |
| 23:34.55 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: yes, you do now. |
| 23:34.56 | pipeline | MetaMorfozis: There might be a channel for debian that speaks hungarian. Try |
| 23:34.57 | MetaMorfozis | my brother:) |
| 23:35.07 | transgress | Empty because they are stealthing from pings... |
| 23:35.07 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
| 23:35.09 | MetaMorfozis | where is? |
| 23:35.11 | Empty | (and sorry about the ^Anyone... string |
| 23:35.16 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 23:35.21 | gary | DaCa: that's ok, i don't mind doing an extra step |
| 23:35.24 | Empty | transgress, all 3 use ICMP echo requests |
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| 23:35.39 | Empty | transgress, or say they do in their man pages anyway |
| 23:35.42 | PerfDave | Empty: nmap uses both ICMP ping and TCP ACK. |
| 23:35.55 | PerfDave | Empty: "By default (for root users), nmap uses both the ICMP and ACK techniques in parallel." from man nmap |
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| 23:35.59 | ik-ppc | is posible to install flash player with apt-get? |
| 23:36.12 | gary | pipeline: Is it as simple if i wanted to move my / as well? |
| 23:36.15 | MetaMorfozis | The path "/usr/bin/gcc" is not an existing directory. |
| 23:36.16 | Empty | PerfDave, Ahhh OK, thanks... The man page on the system I am on must be wrong then |
| 23:36.16 | dondelelcaro | ik-ppc: yes. swf-player or flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 23:36.18 | transgress | ik-ppc that's not free softwares |
| 23:36.20 | MetaMorfozis | :( |
| 23:36.24 | transgress | oh it is? wow |
| 23:36.41 | PerfDave | Empty: You're not running Debian? :) |
| 23:36.55 | pipeline | gary: It's less simple, but it's doable. |
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| 23:36.56 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: then you haven't installed build-essential or you're not actually running Debian. |
| 23:36.56 | DaCa | gary: as you wish :) just remember that you have to do this from single user mode, to have nothing in use on your /home partition |
| 23:37.10 | MetaMorfozis | i was installed it |
| 23:37.14 | gary | DaCa: yep, just a simple client machine |
| 23:37.16 | BhaalWK | Anyone here know how to make a replacement initrd for debian install CDs so I can include ATA raid drivers? |
| 23:37.17 | MetaMorfozis | and i have .1 sarge |
| 23:37.22 | MetaMorfozis | 3.1 |
| 23:37.29 | ik-ppc | k |
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| 23:37.35 | pipeline | DaCa, gary: Well, alternatively, "mount -o remount,ro,noatime /home" to prevent changes being made to the /home. But that's the kind of filthy thing idiots like me do. |
| 23:37.35 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: then build-essential would have intalled gcc which installs /usr/bin/gcc |
| 23:37.39 | gary | pipeline: it's just / is in the 8gb partition with /home. I really need a big partition for / and a 5gb one roughly... for /home |
| 23:37.44 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 23:37.52 | gary | as i will dhave more in / than on /home as it is just a single-user computer |
| 23:37.55 | Empty | PerfDave, this is a legacy host at a sister ISP, I was checking its RH8 man page |
| 23:37.59 | blookie | how would i see what apps apt-get can install from the console? |
| 23:38.03 | pipeline | gary: That's pretty weird. 99% of my files are in /home. |
| 23:38.07 | dondelelcaro | blookie: apt-cache search; |
| 23:38.08 | MetaMorfozis | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2005-03-13 00:44 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 23:38.14 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: then you have gcc. |
| 23:38.17 | gary | pipeline: but when i do apt-get it all goes in / |
| 23:38.20 | toomboy | i have courier-imap installed, anyone know syntax via telnet to login ? |
| 23:38.21 | MetaMorfozis | cool |
| 23:38.29 | pipeline | gary: I take it you don't have many personal files, then. |
| 23:38.37 | transgress | perhaps your PATH is screwed up MetaMorfozis |
| 23:38.46 | gary | pipeline: i do most of my work on my server, by ssh |
| 23:38.48 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: if you need help with vmware, you'll have to talk to your vendor, since we can't support it here. |
| 23:38.53 | gary | Then when i go to uni i can access them on my server |
| 23:38.56 | stew | toomboy: 1 login username password |
| 23:38.58 | dondelelcaro | MetaMorfozis: or try asking #vmware |
| 23:39.01 | gary | oracle, java, etcc |
| 23:39.14 | MetaMorfozis | rhy |
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| 23:39.18 | MetaMorfozis | thank you |
| 23:39.19 | MetaMorfozis | :D |
| 23:40.11 | stuartSan | oh yessss |
| 23:40.14 | MetaMorfozis | and sorry about the flood |
| 23:40.20 | stuartSan | finally, a DECENT running multimedia linux os |
| 23:40.30 | transgress | my blood needs more nicotine... i'll be back soon. |
| 23:40.54 | gary | brb reboot |
| 23:41.04 | stuartSan | after 3 days of struggling i have officially ceased the need to reinstall |
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| 23:41.25 | transgress | can anyone connect to conference.jabber.org ? i can't get into any chats on there... |
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| 23:43.34 | stuartSan | how do i change the volume in xfce though |
| 23:43.37 | gary | #rebooted.. |
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| 23:44.46 | gary | pipeline: how come all your files are in your /home directory. What about when you install things using apt-get ? |
| 23:44.58 | blookie | when i run 'apt-get --purge remove <package'... it says it was removed but the dir's still exist... is that normal? |
| 23:45.10 | pipeline | gary: All of the things I've ever installed combined are less than 1% of files :P |
| 23:45.22 | gary | pipeline: lol |
| 23:45.29 | gary | pipeline: what window manager are you using? |
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| 23:45.35 | dac_ | blookie: yes, sometimes |
| 23:45.35 | pipeline | gary: A full gnome environment. |
| 23:45.36 | MetaMorfozis | not respond to me anybody in #vmware:(( |
| 23:45.42 | jjazz | Cups tells me my job is completed, but the printer shows no sign of having received the input. /var/log/cups/error_log shows no errors. Any suggestions? |
| 23:45.43 | gary | cool |
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| 23:46.47 | blookie | dac_, is there another command to totally remove the package? |
| 23:46.55 | sorahn | is there a channel on freenods about gimp? |
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| 23:47.04 | dac_ | blookie: no |
| 23:47.20 | gary | pipeline: I'm now thinking it'd be easier if i just moved my / to the new parition and leave /home where it is. However, how would i copy all files apart from /home ? |
| 23:47.29 | blookie | dac_, ok... thanks |
| 23:48.06 | dionoea | gary: you don't have that much directories in / |
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| 23:48.18 | ik-ppc | E: Couldn't find package flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 23:48.18 | ik-ppc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.30 | Guerin | !tell ik-ppc about non-free |
| 23:48.34 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:48.35 | Guerin | ppc? |
| 23:48.39 | drini | DAMN IT! it's flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:48.42 | blue_ | gary: or you could move them all then move home back |
| 23:48.42 | ik-ppc | k |
| 23:48.44 | gary | about 22, about 5 are files though |
| 23:48.52 | Guerin | i don't believe crapromedia make a ppc binary |
| 23:48.53 | gary | lol blue_ - why didn't i think of that ! |
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| 23:49.17 | digital_ | gn :) |
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| 23:49.43 | blue_ | sarcastic? |
| 23:49.50 | Guerin | !non-free is also if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line |
| 23:49.51 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 23:49.54 | gary | blue_: no, serious |
| 23:50.06 | Overand | You guys ever find yourself using "!=" in conversations online with people who would have no idea what you mean? |
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| 23:50.15 | WiFiTux | Someone has the vga= something for grub for a T42? |
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| 23:50.28 | gary | anyway, brb, have to reboot again |
| 23:50.32 | gary | ... feels like windows |
| 23:50.33 | gary | hah |
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| 23:50.43 | WiFiTux | if I do vga=ask I can use 0F07 |
| 23:50.44 | Guerin | WiFiTux: find the damn list of vga= parameters |
| 23:51.23 | WiFiTux | Guerin: well vga=ask gives me 0f07 which is what I like. |
| 23:52.25 | Guerin | WiFiTux: so conver that to binary and go |
| 23:52.31 | Guerin | hell, might even work in hex |
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| 23:52.43 | N-MAN | :) |
| 23:52.47 | gary | Does anyone know how i can make linux execute a command when i startx? |
| 23:52.47 | debiangreen | how do i get konqueror to stop asking me if i want to save passwords (man I thought I got away from that) |
| 23:52.52 | stuart_ | can anyone using xfce tell me what mixer they're using |
| 23:52.58 | Guerin | gary: man xsession |
| 23:53.05 | Guerin | stuart_: irrelevant |
| 23:53.06 | pipeline | gary: Fuck startx. Install a display manager. |
| 23:53.13 | WiFiTux | Guerin: to binary ok... |
| 23:53.14 | gary | It's just in X it is set to the us keyboard, i've tried EVERYTHING but i still can't get it to set it to the gb one. Unless i manually type: setxkbmap gb |
| 23:53.16 | Wyzard | Anyone have a copy of the nvidia 1.0.6629 driver packages? |
| 23:53.17 | gary | thanks pipeline |
| 23:53.17 | Guerin | fuck display managers |
| 23:53.23 | stuart_ | Guerin, i find myself having problems setting volumes etc |
| 23:53.27 | gary | pipeline: i like startx |
| 23:53.35 | Guerin | stuart_: xfce has exactly 0 to do with this |
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| 23:53.49 | WiFiTux | Guerin: google didn't do it! |
| 23:53.50 | codbyte | gary: add your command in your ~/.xinitrc |
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| 23:53.55 | pipeline | Wyzard: Only for 2.6.7-1-k7-smp. I'm afraid you'll have to look at people.debian.org/~rdonald |
| 23:53.57 | Guerin | WiFiTux: your google-fu is weak |
| 23:54.01 | stuart_ | Guerin, right, my bad. its just because other DE's have pre-installed mixers |
| 23:54.13 | stuart_ | okay then send me some of you guys fav mixers |
| 23:54.22 | stuart_ | names, not dcc |
| 23:54.23 | Guerin | alsamixer |
| 23:54.31 | stuart_ | alright |
| 23:54.38 | Wyzard | pipeline: ah, thanks |
| 23:55.07 | codbyte | gary: echo "setxkbmap gb" >> ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:55.11 | WiFiTux | Guerin: ofo7 to binary? |
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| 23:56.18 | dogas | Hi, I have a quick question about environment variables. In order to make it permanent when I log in or boot up, where should I add new environment variables? |
| 23:56.36 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yes |
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| 23:56.45 | Guerin | WiFiTux: you're sitting in front aof a computer |
| 23:56.51 | pipeline | dogas: in ~/.cshrc or ~/.bashrc or what-have-you, depending on your shell. |
| 23:56.55 | gary | codbyte: it errors when i do that. I had to create the .xinirc file, then add the command, started x, but it failed. I then removed the command, and it stlil failed to start. I had to actually delete the .xinitrc file before startx would work |
| 23:57.04 | Guerin | computers are really really really really fucking good at converting numbers from hex to binary |
| 23:57.15 | WiFiTux | Guerin: I know! I did it and did not work. |
| 23:57.15 | pipeline | Only not. |
| 23:57.21 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 23:57.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:57.25 | dogas | pipeline: I figured as much, but I just wanted to make sure. Thx |
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| 23:57.34 | WiFiTux | Guerin: I mean is not to binary, is to decima;l? |
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| 23:57.39 | Guerin | eh |
| 23:57.41 | PerfDave | dogas: .profile |
| 23:57.43 | Guerin | that's what I meant |
| 23:57.44 | Xenguy | dogas: ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:57.45 | codbyte | gary: you have yo specify a window manager in your xinitrc first, eg "startkde", "wmaker", "gnome", or whatever |
| 23:57.47 | dogas | eh? |
| 23:57.54 | WiFiTux | Guerin: Your fault! |
| 23:58.07 | codbyte | gary: then add the command after |
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| 23:58.16 | Guerin | well, it is your responsibility to perform some sanity checking on the randomness I spit out :) |
| 23:58.19 | dogas | I do use bash, so I'll assume ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:58.22 | PerfDave | Xenguy: Only if you're using bash ;) |
| 23:58.25 | dogas | thx for the help |
| 23:58.30 | Xenguy | PerfDave: yes |
| 23:58.32 | gary | oh yes, forgot about that |
| 23:58.47 | PerfDave | dogas: Bear in mind, this won't affect X applications, probably. |
| 23:58.48 | Xenguy | dogas: I put 'alias' stuff in '~/.bashrc, and ENV variables in ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:58.56 | Xenguy | PerfDave: lucky guess ;-) |
| 23:59.04 | WiFiTux | Guerin: now that came up as 3847, when most numbers in vga= areee 3 numbers. |
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| 23:59.42 | Guerin | WiFiTux: i still don't have the faintest clue why you don't just google out the list of modes and use them |
| 23:59.49 | stuart_ | do i need to 'save config' or modprobe or something after installing alsa-base/utils and doing alsaconf |
