| 00:00.06 | gary | thanks codbyte that worked |
| 00:00.49 | gary | Does anyone know if the messages and things the computer does when starting up is saved in a log file? |
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| 00:00.56 | Xenguy | gary: dmesg |
| 00:01.10 | gary | thanks |
| 00:01.12 | codbyte | gary: ur welcome :) |
| 00:01.20 | genix | Can I run wget and unzip at the the url target so I don't need to duplicate it: ex "wget http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS211.zip UNZIP"? |
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| 00:02.14 | gary | Xenguy: it doesn't display enough lines. When the computer was starting up, it output about 30 lines saying something had errored |
| 00:02.19 | gary | well lots of things actually |
| 00:02.28 | dmp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.30 | dmp_ | is where the rest lives |
| 00:02.34 | drini | gary: run dmesg as root |
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| 00:03.00 | cafuego | genix: a world of no |
| 00:03.14 | gary | drini: no still didn't work |
| 00:03.16 | gary | thanks dmp_ |
| 00:03.28 | codbyte | gary: make sure you actually use dmesg | less if you want to have time to read the output |
| 00:03.48 | stuartSan | man my girlfriend wants to use MSN messenger, what client do i get for linux |
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| 00:03.57 | gravity | stuartSan: gaim |
| 00:04.16 | codbyte | stuartsan: best clone: amsn kde: kopete gtk: gaim |
| 00:04.18 | genix | cafuego, So I MUST "wget http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS211.zip" "unzip wget http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS211.zip", there is absolutley no other way to short this down? |
| 00:04.26 | stuartSan | alright thanks |
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| 00:04.38 | PerfDave | stuartSan: gaim, or use Psi and Jabber transports. |
| 00:04.54 | stuartSan | is gaim lightweight |
| 00:05.05 | sparr_ | ive been running a java app for about a day, probably had some memory leaks. now my cpu/mem/video intense 3d games stutter. short of a reboot what can i try to resolve the problem? |
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| 00:05.10 | Ronin | stuartSan: its pretty small package |
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| 00:05.29 | Xenguy | genix: what do you want to do? |
| 00:05.38 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Not if you're not already using Gnome / other GTK stuff |
| 00:05.42 | codbyte | stuartsan: gaim uses 7mb of memory on my system |
| 00:05.43 | WiFiTux | Jesus, if you install debian with sarge, it boot horriible!! |
| 00:05.44 | genix | stuartSan, use bitlbee |
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| 00:06.03 | stuartSan | PerfDave, na my system is clean.. only has standard x-window and xfce4 |
| 00:06.05 | PerfDave | sparr_: If you've closed the application, it should have freed the memory. Use "top" to see what's hogging your RAM. |
| 00:06.08 | Ronin | WiFiTux: how so? ive been running it for sometime and it boots fine |
| 00:06.10 | ludi | Anyone here done konstruct before? |
| 00:06.18 | stuartSan | genix, how big is it? |
| 00:06.31 | PerfDave | stuartSan: If you want minimalist, irssi and bitlbee are the way to go - irssi is an IRC client, bitlbee is an IRC -> IM gateway which supports MSN among others. |
| 00:06.39 | sparr_ | PerfDave: nothing is 'hogging' it apparently :( but the game still sucks |
| 00:06.42 | danilom | i have a epson lx-800 dot-matrix printer.. i was install it on cups, but the printing is very ugly... im printing from gnumeric.. how can i fix it please??????????? |
| 00:06.42 | stuartSan | freakin d/l speed halved at this time of the day on ftp.us.debian :| |
| 00:06.59 | Ronin | stuartSan: if your that concerned about size maybe its past time to upgrade the hardware? |
| 00:07.06 | PerfDave | sparr_: Then it's probably not your java applet you have to worry about. |
| 00:07.07 | stuartSan | okay then bitlbee here i come. i can get it on apt? |
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| 00:07.12 | stuartSan | Ronin, naa.. i'm just a minimalist freak |
| 00:07.17 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:07.18 | sparr_ | PerfDave: nothing else new going on :( |
| 00:07.19 | genix | stuartSan, It's a server "BitlBee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway" |
| 00:07.25 | stuartSan | i like simple stable neat stuff |
| 00:07.51 | genix | stuartSan, http://bitlbee.org |
| 00:07.55 | stuartSan | k thanks. |
| 00:07.58 | baz | anyone using an ipod with rhythmbox? specifically does anyone want to help set it up |
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| 00:08.27 | travisat | baz: never giot it to work |
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| 00:08.35 | pipeline | baz: rhythmbox is read-only |
| 00:08.36 | baz | travisat: :( |
| 00:08.43 | baz | pipeline: that's a start |
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| 00:08.52 | pipeline | baz: gnupod |
| 00:09.02 | baz | pipeline: ah |
| 00:09.05 | genix | Xenguy, I want to use wget to download a file and uzip it direcly after it's dowloaded without type the filename twice |
| 00:09.18 | travisat | baz: or gtkpod |
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| 00:09.55 | pipeline | baz, travisat: I don't have an iPod, but I'm told gnupod is a little more featureful than gtkpod. YMMV. |
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| 00:10.15 | travisat | pipeline: no debian package for it afaik |
| 00:10.32 | WiFiTux | ronin, boots fine, but ugly as shit |
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| 00:10.37 | ludi | anyone here running cedega? |
| 00:10.44 | codbyte | genix : wget http://yourfile | xargs gunzip $1 |
| 00:10.45 | WiFiTux | now hotplug gives 1000 things and debugs |
| 00:10.56 | PerfDave | genix: it doesn't seem like unzip can accept files from STDIN, unless using - as a filename works. |
| 00:11.03 | baz | pipeline: gtkpod is actually present in sarge, so I'll go with that for now |
| 00:11.14 | electroniclas | can i somehow use bind to "mask" two hostsnames (which point to my local server anyway), so that i get a local address for them, but every other host under that domain is resolved through a normal (forward?) request? i know, i could use the host-file for that, but i want it to work on the whole network and not run around and change all hosts-files. |
| 00:11.20 | travisat | WiFiTux: sounds like a personal problem, my sarge boots just fine |
| 00:11.24 | caphuso | codbyte: that doesn't work |
| 00:11.24 | stuartSan | hmm.. how'd i make sounds for xfce though.. everytime i make an error the PC speaker beeps, not too enticing |
| 00:11.37 | codbyte | :( |
| 00:11.39 | PerfDave | electroniclas: You could just use dnsmasq, which is easier to set up and configure than BIND. |
| 00:11.45 | caphuso | wget -O- http://example.com/some.file.gz | gzip -dc > some.file |
| 00:11.51 | sparr_ | glxgears, and every other cpu or video intensive game, is stuttering. like a 1/4 second pause in rendering (and audio) every 5 or 6 seconds. what could I do to diagnose the problem? |
| 00:11.52 | caphuso | something like that does |
| 00:11.57 | Ronin | WiFiTux: who reboots that often to notice it? |
| 00:12.01 | electroniclas | PerfDave: ok, but i already have bind9 running... |
| 00:12.13 | PerfDave | electroniclas: It's probably possible, no idea how though. |
| 00:12.14 | WiFiTux | travisat, then you have an old system. |
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| 00:12.21 | WiFiTux | Ronin, laptop users? |
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| 00:12.30 | travisat | WiFiTux: 2.4 ghz laptop |
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| 00:12.50 | Ronin | WiFiTux: you sit and watch it? i turn on the laptop and do whatever |
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| 00:13.12 | travisat | WiFiTux: I use hibernate and haven't actually rebooted in maybe a week |
| 00:13.35 | electroniclas | PerfDave: i tried to weite the two hosts into a zone-file with the NS-entry pointing to an "outside" nameserver, but it doesn't work. everything under that domain is considered local... :-( hmmm.. maybe i can set up each host as a micro-zone? |
| 00:13.37 | WiFiTux | anyway! it still is ugly. 2.4 kernels and when installed with woody would do fine. |
| 00:13.47 | sdogi | you can turn off laptop? wow |
| 00:13.48 | PerfDave | electroniclas: No idea, it's been ages since I used BIND. |
| 00:13.50 | WiFiTux | I used to upgrade from woody to Sid and work like a charm. |
| 00:14.02 | travisat | WiFiTux: use silent bootsplash, sheesh |
| 00:14.22 | gary | pipeline: i'm copying / to /dev/hda4 |
| 00:14.22 | WiFiTux | travisat, use who? |
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| 00:14.31 | sdogi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.40 | travisat | bootsplash is silent mode, its a pretty boot |
| 00:14.40 | thingfish | kclug |
| 00:14.50 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 00:15.19 | travisat | WiFiTux: nice progress bar showin boot, no text messages |
| 00:15.22 | pipeline | gary: be careful, you have to mount /dev/hda4 somewhere |
| 00:15.26 | gary | ffs, i just removed the gnome package as i didn't need it, and now some of my font's have gone wierd. Especially firefox as it used gkt i think |
| 00:15.30 | pipeline | gary: and you can't just copy /*, you only want to copy certain things. |
| 00:15.34 | WiFiTux | travisat, well, nice. |
| 00:15.39 | gary | pipeline: i have: /mnt/new |
| 00:15.48 | amahbod | is there any way to use enviornment variables in sed |
| 00:15.49 | amahbod | ? |
| 00:15.50 | genix | codbyte, "gunzip: stdin: unexpected end of file" |
| 00:15.58 | WiFiTux | travisat, where is that, grub conf? |
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| 00:15.59 | gary | well i've copied it all nearly |
| 00:16.04 | gary | What do i not need |
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| 00:16.23 | travisat | WiFiTux: you have to patch the kernel, and install a couple of bootsplash patches, and edit grub |
| 00:16.47 | travisat | s/patches/packages |
| 00:16.49 | codbyte | genix: have you tried wget -O- http://example.com/some.file.gz | gzip -dc > some.file ? (from caphuso) |
| 00:17.09 | stuartSan | hm would i be able to receive msn files through bitlbee? |
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| 00:17.39 | WiFiTux | travisat, ok fuck no. Thanks. |
| 00:17.43 | gary | do i not need to edit lilo.conf and then re write it to the mbr ? |
| 00:17.53 | travisat | WiFiTux: I didn't think you would |
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| 00:18.07 | travisat | WiFiTux: I haven't |
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| 00:20.09 | yebian | I've configured and compiled 2.6.10 about 10 times now and everything seems to be working except my keyboard. What may I be missing? |
| 00:20.25 | dvs | yebian: Your keyboard |
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| 00:20.39 | dvs | yebian: What kind of keyboard is it? |
| 00:21.12 | yebian | What ikernel module am I having to compile if it isnt working. It is an old IBM clicky keyboard - PS2 |
| 00:21.31 | genix | codbyte, then I need to enter the filename twice which was what I'm trying to avoid |
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| 00:21.51 | stuartSan | um okay i forgot my basics again, how'd i compile bitlbee? |
| 00:22.05 | travisat | stuartSan: erm why |
| 00:22.08 | stuartSan | i gunzipped, tar -xvf.. now its full of .c's |
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| 00:22.23 | Henning | stuartSan: Isn't bitlbee in apt? |
| 00:22.31 | travisat | stuartSan: ./configure;make;checkinstall |
| 00:22.40 | gary | pipeline: When i've done copying, how will the computer know when starting up, which parition to boot. Do i need to change lilo or something? |
| 00:22.41 | genix | stuartSan, "apt-get install bitlbee"? |
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| 00:23.01 | elirips | hello. i am using alsa for sound. but if xmms is playing a sound, i don't hear any sound-events from gaim. any way to correct this? |
| 00:23.04 | stuartSan | oh? my bad i didn't know it was in apt since someone pointed me to the site i dl'ed it from there |
| 00:23.12 | gary | .. or vmlinuz |
| 00:23.21 | stuartSan | but since i gotta learn this next time anyways.. i do a ./configure;make;checkinstall ? got it |
| 00:23.30 | travisat | stuartSan: never compile except as a last resort, always check apt, then google for debs |
| 00:23.30 | WiFiTux | Travisat, I can, I just won't this is wtf I didn't stay with RH |
| 00:23.41 | Henning | gary: I haven't paid attention, but I've you've installed a kernel manually you'll need to update /etc/lilo.conf and rerun /sbin/lilo |
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| 00:23.52 | stuartSan | travisat, oh in that case i'll delete this dir |
| 00:24.05 | Henning | gary: I'd install it to the MBR if I were you, that's usually the easiest. |
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| 00:24.12 | gary | Henning: i just looked in lilo.conf but none of the linux directories actually specify which paritiotn to boot |
| 00:24.21 | gary | The only kernel i installed was a 2.6 kernel-image |
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| 00:24.38 | Henning | Oh, you probably don't need to do anything if you installed a image file like that. |
| 00:24.51 | Henning | You could always rerun /sbin/lilo just to be safe, but I'm pretty sure it does that for you. |
| 00:25.00 | gary | ahh foudn it |
| 00:25.01 | travisat | gary: why lilo and not grub |
| 00:25.08 | stuartSan | grub rox |
| 00:25.09 | gary | root =/dev/hda2 |
| 00:25.12 | gary | I've only ever used grub once |
| 00:25.22 | gary | and the time i did try to use it, i foudn it a little hard to configure |
| 00:25.27 | gary | Plus, i can't be bothered to change |
| 00:25.36 | stuartSan | weird, for me it was 10x easier than lilo |
| 00:25.45 | Henning | I've only ever tried grub once too, it didn't really work. Probably due to some misconfiguration though, but I never found out how to gain control of it from the manual pages. |
| 00:25.47 | travisat | gary: grub is better than lilo most of the time, and its easier for me also |
| 00:25.47 | gary | It may have just been bad luck |
| 00:25.55 | gary | and plus i didn't know as much about linux as i do now |
| 00:26.09 | gary | travisat: well maybe once i've switched partition you can persuade me to change :D |
| 00:26.13 | stuartSan | grub pretty much helped me install linux for the first time ever |
| 00:26.14 | gary | I will convert ;) |
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| 00:26.27 | Henning | travisat: Grub has some advantages. As long as you don't screw stuff up with lilo I wouldn't say it really is that better unless you have the need for those other features. |
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| 00:26.33 | legba7 | daten written with woody to my creative muvo usb-flash-drive disapears after connecting to the battery module, knoppix and windows on the same pc works fine, any hint ? ? please! |
| 00:26.35 | zone17 | Hi all. I am trying to create a full backup with the following command "tar -czvf /mnt/sdb1/backup/fc3-backup.tgz / --ignore-failed-read --exclude=*/mnt/* --exclude=*/proc/* --exclude=*/dev/* --exclude=*/tmp/*". The command runs for about 20 mins and verbose shows all the directories and so, but the final .tgz file only contains an empty /sys directory |
| 00:26.49 | gary | So, when changing devices i need to change the root=/dev/hda2 to my new / partition. Then change /etc/fstab on the new partition and that's it ! |
| 00:26.59 | gary | i think.. |
| 00:27.14 | stuartSan | i'm supposed to be in bed by now but debians ftp is so slooowww today |
| 00:27.16 | yebian | filename you're making goes first |
| 00:27.25 | travisat | gary: with debian, you almost never even have to edit the config for it |
| 00:27.49 | Henning | gary: Sounds right to me, provided you've already moved over the actual data. |
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| 00:28.01 | travisat | Henning: try dual booting linux with lilo compared to with grub |
| 00:28.07 | gary | Henning: done :D |
| 00:28.15 | Snadder | hey.. whats wrong when it comes up.. "Cant open /dev/tty0".. when I try to start x. |
| 00:28.24 | travisat | Henning: and I mean two different linux distros not linux and windows |
| 00:28.35 | Snadder | ..just did an debian/sarge install from scratch |
| 00:28.38 | gary | I ordered a wireless optical mouse today |
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| 00:28.44 | Henning | travisat: What should be the problem? |
| 00:28.55 | Henning | travisat: Or rather, what will be the problem? I'd be interested. |
| 00:28.56 | stuartSan | Snadder, what packages did you have installed |
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| 00:29.26 | BadMan | PerfDave: you around? |
| 00:29.28 | travisat | Henning: location of kernel images in location to where lilo is installed, with grub you can easily specify images on seperate partitions |
| 00:29.29 | gary | ... and a uml book |
| 00:29.35 | PerfDave | BadMan: Maybe... |
| 00:29.45 | Snadder | stuartsan: i've installed gcc/unix server/desktop packages with tasksel |
| 00:29.52 | BadMan | lol.. hey do you have a good noob link for installing Q3? |
| 00:29.59 | travisat | Henning: of course maybe you can do this in lilo,k I never got it to work |
| 00:30.12 | Snadder | stuartsan: I bet i've forgot some packages. but dunno which one. |
| 00:30.21 | BadMan | I finally got my nvidia stuff right and think im ready but everytime i try to follow "mepis" install i have issues |
| 00:30.56 | travisat | BadMan: Mepis??? |
| 00:31.12 | BadMan | yeah some other mepis guides... |
| 00:31.21 | Henning | travisat: I've never tried so can't really say. |
| 00:31.22 | BadMan | Idont run mepis... |
| 00:31.37 | travisat | BadMan: so why mepis install? |
| 00:31.40 | BadMan | Im on Debian Sarge with 2.6.8-2 |
| 00:31.50 | legba7 | daten written with woody to my creative muvo usb-flash-drive disapears after connecting to the battery module, knoppix and windows on the same pc works fine, any hint ? ? |
| 00:31.52 | BadMan | looking for some handholding installing a gl game... |
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| 00:32.14 | PerfDave | BadMan: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/ is their Linux server, it should have Q3A linux instructions on. |
| 00:32.18 | gary | I don't suppose anyone knows how to change the fotn that firefox uses. I'm pretty sure it's something to do with gtk as i just uninstalled gnome and the font has changed a bit. I mean the font where it says "File, Help". The actual firefox font |
| 00:32.20 | Henning | travisat: During my last sarge install (netinstall) I decided I was going to try out grub. After it installed and rebooted, I got GRUB displaying some text and then reboot instantly. I was never able to take control of it, is there a way to do that? |
| 00:32.40 | PerfDave | legba7: After connecting what to the battery module? |
| 00:32.43 | BadMan | PerfDave: thanks off tot here now |
| 00:32.52 | Henning | travisat: I sort of haven't been keen on trying it out any more since. I do see that it does have certain advantages in regards to network boot and dynamic configuration though. |
| 00:33.19 | isdead | bye. |
| 00:33.35 | legba7 | PerfDave: supporting the usb-drive with power to support the mp3-player build in |
| 00:33.41 | Snadder | damn.. how do I scroll up in ircII? |
| 00:34.05 | Henning | legba7: Do you `sync` and `umount` it before removing the drive? |
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| 00:34.19 | directhex | BadMan, or apt-get install neverball, that's a relatively taxing opengl game |
| 00:34.22 | davis | hello |
| 00:34.34 | PerfDave | legba7: Does that involve unplugging the usb drive? |
| 00:34.41 | PerfDave | bzflag! |
| 00:34.50 | legba7 | Henning: yes i did and it was on the drive when i remounted it before i connected to the battery module |
| 00:34.52 | davis | I need some help using cdrecord-prodvd. Any idea where I can find a channel for help on such a topic? |
| 00:34.58 | BadMan | directhex: thanks will test it out ont hat before continuing with the Q3 install |
| 00:35.19 | genix | This is just an ex: GFTP:s tarball file include a version number "http://gftp.seul.org/gftp-2.0.18.tar.bz2", this number is being changed from time to time so it's not probable that I can use the same url next time I want to get the latest version with wget, is there some way to go around this? |
| 00:35.28 | legba7 | PerfDave: yes the drive must be unplugged to connect to the battery modul |
| 00:35.32 | khanman | can someone tell me the correct entry for fstab so that a normal user can access a mounted ntfs drive? im using '/dev/hda1 /mnt/wok-p4xp/system ntfs users 0 0' and can mount/umount with normal account..but i cant read the dirs under normal user (just root) |
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| 00:35.46 | Henning | legba7: In that case I have little ideas. I'd try to install the latest firmware on the unit and reformat it just to make sure. |
| 00:35.50 | dvs | !write ntfs |
| 00:35.52 | PerfDave | legba7: If you're unmounting your drive properly and it's losing data, then there's something very wierd with your drive. |
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| 00:36.09 | directhex | Khahan, pass umask=0222 as an option |
| 00:36.18 | Snadder | switched to an irc client which manage to scroll up:) |
| 00:36.21 | legba7 | it works with knoppix (debian-based) and win but not with my woody |
| 00:36.32 | Henning | directhex: That won't give him write access. |
| 00:36.49 | directhex | Henning, he never asked for write access, and writing ntfs = death |
| 00:36.52 | stuartSan | Snadder, shouldn't be a problem if you've got x-window-system and x-window-core installed |
| 00:36.55 | legba7 | but i can remove files and create directories! |
| 00:37.07 | stuartSan | you'd at least get twm |
| 00:37.07 | amahbod | what is a good command logger program? |
| 00:37.18 | amahbod | that logs user activity |
| 00:37.25 | khanman | directhex, you are correct i dont want write access just read....i pass that option in which field in fstab? |
| 00:37.29 | Henning | Didn't he type !write ntfs ? I thought he meant write access with the !write, I'm not familuar with this channels talk-macros though. |
| 00:37.49 | directhex | Khahan, the options one, where you have 'users' at the moment, append ",umask=0222" |
| 00:38.04 | Henning | dvs: You'd need something like capitive-ntfs to write safely to ntfs, the linux ntfs-write support is experimental and will eventually fubar your drive (at least last I checked) |
| 00:38.06 | khanman | directhex, thx bro |
| 00:38.15 | directhex | Henning, dvs wrote "!write ntfs", which isn't a useful factoid |
| 00:38.38 | dvs | Henning: I ain't the one writing to ntfs. I wouldn't dream of it. |
| 00:38.45 | Snadder | StuartSan: I didnt have it.. seems like that explains it |
| 00:38.46 | amahbod | what's a good program to log user activity? |
| 00:38.47 | Henning | Ok, my bad then. |
| 00:38.58 | genix | How can I with wget grab the latest version of a file (that include a version number) if I don't know the version number? Take "http://gftp.seul.org/gftp-2.0.18.tar.bz2" as an example. |
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| 00:39.22 | PerfDave | legba7: You're convinced that you're actually writing this information to the drive under woody, before you unplug it? |
| 00:39.34 | stuartSan | Snadder, yep. i'd also recommend you getting xfce4 as your desktop enviroment. i just tried it, looks great. |
| 00:39.49 | Snadder | Stuartsan: but I got the same error msg (/dev/tty0), even after I installed those packages |
| 00:39.51 | stuartSan | btw what do i do with .deb files |
| 00:40.00 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Why do you have a .deb file? |
| 00:40.09 | stuartSan | PerfDave, bitlbee |
| 00:40.11 | thingfish | man, it's gstreamer updates galore |
| 00:40.26 | legba7 | PerfDave: the data was definitely writen to the drive but lost after connecting to the battery-module |
| 00:40.29 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Why don't you just install it with apt? |
| 00:40.30 | Snadder | Stuartsan: it seems like I dont got colours in my txt based console.. |
| 00:40.39 | PerfDave | legba7: How do you know it was definitely written to the drive? |
| 00:40.41 | directhex | if you don't specify the 'sync' mount option on usb storage, no changes are written until you umount |
| 00:40.43 | Snadder | Stuartsan: its totally fucked up. |
| 00:40.47 | stuartSan | PerfDave, still getting nvidia drivers :( |
| 00:40.56 | stuartSan | PerfDave, was looking for something to kill my time while i wait |
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| 00:41.06 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Where did you get the .deb from? |
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| 00:41.19 | legba7 | PerfDave: i have mounted the drive a second time under woody and under windoof |
| 00:41.27 | stuartSan | PerfDave, bitlbee.org |
| 00:41.30 | sparr_ | something is apparently (as seen by video and audio stuttering in glxgears and games) spiking my cpu usage every few seconds. the spikes are far too short to catch with top. i have just rebooted and the problem persists. what can i try to narrow down the source of the problem? |
| 00:41.34 | Snadder | Stuartsan: I've relied too much on debian's dependencies when installing things.. so i'm missing packages |
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| 00:41.37 | PerfDave | stuartSan: Get the one from packages.debian.org |
| 00:42.03 | stuartSan | Snadder, try a clean install, and only install x-window-system and x-window-core packages |
| 00:42.14 | stuartSan | Snadder, it 'should' let you start x |
| 00:42.29 | khanman | directhex, yep that worked..thanks..btw where should i have seen that? i did man mount fstab |
| 00:42.39 | directhex | Khahan, it's poorly documented |
| 00:42.45 | PerfDave | legba7: So let me get this straight. You can write data to your USB pen under Woody, unplug it, mount it in Woody and Windows and the data's there. But if you unplug it and connect the battery pack, the data disappears. And if you write data to it in Windows or Knoppix, then the data doesn't disappear when you connect the battery pack? |
| 00:42.57 | khanman | just wanted to know so i could find it if i need it again |
| 00:43.02 | Snadder | Stuarsan: what method do you mean I should use, when I do a clean install? |
| 00:43.18 | legba7 | PerfDave: you get it! |
| 00:43.29 | Snadder | tasksel?, or which program? |
| 00:43.35 | PerfDave | legba7: That shit is pretty fucked up right there. |
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| 00:44.01 | stuartSan | Snadder, after installing base o/s, reboot and config system, and they'll ask you what packages you want install, and its supposedly the program called aptitude |
| 00:44.09 | legba7 | PerfDave: does this look like a bug? |
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| 00:44.28 | PerfDave | legba7: I don't see how this can be Woody's fault, to be honest. |
| 00:44.38 | PerfDave | legba7: What kernel are you running? |
| 00:44.41 | stuartSan | Snadder, of course, you gotta get those packages in custom, before they'll let you see the apt program |
| 00:44.56 | Snadder | Stuartsan: maybe it explains it.. that it happend after I installed the 2.6.7 kernel. |
| 00:45.02 | legba7 | PerfDave: 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 00:45.55 | stuartSan | Snadder, don't think it has anything to do with the kernel though, i have 2.6 too and only the basic x-win works fine |
| 00:45.57 | PerfDave | legba7: Try using a full 2.4.18 kernel, see if that fixes it? |
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| 00:47.05 | gary | guys, can i use the cp command to skip certain directories ? |
| 00:47.22 | legba7 | PerfDave: ok i try this, this will take some time for me. Thank you for your help. |
| 00:47.42 | gary | and also skip ones it's already done |
| 00:47.46 | gary | like resume ? |
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| 00:48.00 | amahbod | gary, i dont think so |
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| 00:48.02 | amahbod | :( |
| 00:48.10 | gary | can't even skip directories ? |
| 00:48.20 | scienceuzr | is there a smaller iso set than the 3 cd set? |
| 00:48.27 | gary | ok then |
| 00:48.31 | dvs | scienceuzr: yeah. one. |
| 00:48.36 | gary | is there a way ic an find out the size of a directory - including all files in it |
| 00:48.42 | markybob | gary, -u makes it skip those already there |
| 00:48.47 | markybob | gary man cp |
| 00:48.47 | scienceuzr | where? |
| 00:48.59 | markybob | gary du -sh |
| 00:49.02 | amahbod | yep |
| 00:49.02 | markybob | gary man du |
| 00:49.03 | amahbod | du |
| 00:49.07 | dvs | scienceuzr: Do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 00:49.07 | thomas_adam | What's the program name of falling tux's that you can squish by moving windows? :( |
| 00:49.07 | gary | :P |
| 00:49.13 | scienceuzr | dsl |
| 00:49.19 | dvs | !d-i scienceuzr |
| 00:49.20 | dpkg | scienceuzr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:49.25 | amahbod | thomas_adam, i want that! |
| 00:49.34 | thomas_adam | I can't remember it... |
| 00:49.50 | BadMan | nverball performs quite flawlessly so I guess its on tot he quake isntall.... |
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| 00:50.03 | blookie | does anyone use zope? |
| 00:50.08 | dvs | nope |
| 00:50.14 | blookie | ok |
| 00:50.32 | DaCa | blookie: sure |
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| 00:51.20 | cafuego | gary: see 'man rsync' |
| 00:51.36 | blookie | DaCa, do you recommend that i 'apt-get install zope' and then install plone-dev manually? |
| 00:51.50 | ffeezz | hi guys, stupid question: How do I specify the hostname (and domain) of my machine - just tried sending out a newsletter and got loads of bounces, since there was no fully qualified domain name as the sending server.. |
| 00:52.08 | scienceuzr | ipconfig |
| 00:52.13 | dondelelcaro | !hostname |
| 00:52.13 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
| 00:52.23 | dondelelcaro | scienceuzr: that's for windows. |
| 00:52.31 | scienceuzr | ifconfig? |
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| 00:52.41 | ffeezz | dondelelcaro, well did that, but does it really require a reboot :/ |
| 00:52.41 | stuart_ | hm.. documentation for bitlbee not too good |
| 00:52.42 | dondelelcaro | scienceuzr: and no, ifconfig doesn't set the hostname. |
| 00:52.46 | stuart_ | i installed it, what do i do now |
| 00:52.47 | dondelelcaro | ffeezz: no, it doesn't. |
| 00:52.57 | scienceuzr | bugger me, sorry |
| 00:53.18 | scienceuzr | is there not one command on debian to set ip numbers? |
| 00:53.20 | yebian | dondelelcaro: what kernel modules are keyboards dependent |
| 00:53.20 | dondelelcaro | ffeezz: if you read what it says, you'll notice that it says "to set it for the next boot" not "reboot to change it" |
| 00:53.21 | ffeezz | dondelelcaro, well the hostname I specified is not the one getting used.. |
| 00:53.26 | thomas_adam | amahbod: I remember now: 'xpenguins' |
| 00:53.28 | dmp_ | scienceuzr: ifconfig |
| 00:53.37 | markybob | scienceuzr, setting up ip info is far different than hostname |
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| 00:53.41 | DaCa | blookie: honestly, I recommend you to install zope and plone from source :) |
| 00:53.47 | dondelelcaro | yebian: what? |
| 00:54.16 | dvs | dondelelcaro: yebian's ps/2 keyboard doesn't work |
| 00:54.17 | yebian | dondelelcaro: on what kernel modules are ps2 keyboards dependent? |
| 00:54.51 | dmp_ | 'legacyshite.o' ;) |
| 00:54.53 | dondelelcaro | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y and CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y |
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| 00:55.12 | Snadder | nice.. works now. after an reboot. |
| 00:55.14 | cafuego | ATKBD, how eighties. |
| 00:55.18 | yebian | The keyboard works it just doesnt work with the 2.6.10 kernel I built, and I have those. |
| 00:55.19 | dondelelcaro | how the hell you could build a kernel for i386 without those two enabled is beyond me... but whatever. |
| 00:55.25 | stuart_ | what .pdf viewers are there for linux |
| 00:55.40 | yebian | they are enabled |
| 00:55.42 | travisat | stuart_: gv,gpdf,xpdf |
| 00:55.42 | scienceuzr | the debian installer its pissah |
| 00:55.49 | markybob | yebian, you build it with the wrong info. do like dondelelcaro said |
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| 00:55.57 | DaveNotik | Hi all: I installed Debian, and I cannot figure out how to add more options to my Screen Resolution -- there is only 640x480 and 800x600 as options, while my laptop's resolution is 1600x1280 |
| 00:56.01 | travisat | stuart_: also acroread, but I dislike it |
| 00:56.03 | dondelelcaro | yebian: zgrep /proc/config.gz KEYBORD|less |
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| 00:56.10 | cafe_roy | stuart_: and acroread |
| 00:56.19 | markybob | DaveNotik, are you talking about in x? |
| 00:56.22 | travisat | stuart_: my fav is gv |
| 00:56.24 | stuart_ | which is the simplest, gv? |
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| 00:56.27 | yebian | Its not this machine |
| 00:56.29 | DaveNotik | markybob: yes sir |
| 00:56.31 | stuart_ | travisat, and why that |
| 00:56.36 | markybob | DaveNotik, which video card? |
| 00:56.40 | yebian | Its the machine next to this machine. |
| 00:56.41 | PerfDave | DaveNotik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:56.50 | travisat | stuart_: no gpdf or xpdf are simplest, gv has more options |
| 00:57.03 | scienceuzr | is there an app out there that does stock market alerts? |
| 00:57.04 | DaveNotik | markybob: nvidia... though in debian setup it default to Vesa or something and I chose that. |
| 00:57.10 | dondelelcaro | yebian: gzip -dc /proc/config.gz |grep KEYBOARD|less rahter. |
| 00:57.13 | DaveNotik | markybob: nvidia geforce 2 or something |
| 00:57.14 | markybob | DaveNotik, that's the problem. /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 00:57.15 | travisat | stuart_: gpdf and xpdf are basically the same, but gpdf uses gtk2 |
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| 00:57.25 | PerfDave | DaveNotik: Try using nv, or instaling hte binary nvidia drivers. |
| 00:57.26 | scienceuzr | like If I have 5 stocks it will email me or popup something if a stock moves more than x %? |
| 00:57.33 | pipeline | ggv and gv are basically the same, but ggv uses GTK2 |
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| 00:57.40 | pipeline | ditto for mgv versus gv (motif, athena) |
| 00:57.41 | travisat | DaveNotik: m-i a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 00:57.42 | guestish | whats the whole 111111111 thing? |
| 00:57.49 | Snadder | anyone know how I can change to european keyboard in x? |
| 00:57.52 | travisat | guestish: linux time |
| 00:57.58 | guestish | travisat: linux time? |
| 00:57.59 | Snadder | is it pc105? |
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| 00:58.07 | travisat | guestish: unix time |
| 00:58.08 | Snadder | in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:58.14 | guestish | travisat: what do you mean? |
| 00:58.17 | Smash3r | hello there, I'm new to debian and would like to perform an install on my 166mhz laptop computer and would like to know if debian would support my system ? Does it sounds possible to have a debian old laptop running GUI? maybe I'm dreaming... I'd like to know |
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| 00:58.36 | travisat | guestish: google for it damn, I ain't no damn info repository |
| 00:58.40 | directhex | how much ram? |
| 00:58.50 | gary | I'm trying to copy /proc to my new partition. But it takes AGES and kind of stops when it gets to /proc/acpi/event |
| 00:58.58 | DaveNotik | travisat: what's m-i-a? |
| 00:59.02 | gary | I've been waiting for 10 minutes and it still hasn't moved |
| 00:59.05 | dondelelcaro | gary: you don't copy /proc |
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| 00:59.34 | travisat | DaveNotik: m-a is what I meant, module-assistant a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 00:59.35 | dondelelcaro | gary: that's a kernel specific filesystem, and nothing in it is actually a file. |
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| 00:59.59 | travisat | DaveNotik: install module-assistant, and it should install the nvidia drivers for you |
| 01:00.05 | stuart_ | there's an easier way to install nvidia its at debianhelp.org's hardware forum page 2 |
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| 01:00.22 | gary | dondelelcaro: so if i'm imaging my system to another partition i don't need the /proc directory. Will it be created wwhen it boots up or something? |
| 01:00.27 | travisat | stuart_: easier than m-a a-i nvidia-kernel? |
| 01:00.27 | stuart_ | http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7524&9 works for me |
| 01:00.34 | dondelelcaro | gary: you'll mount it when you boot |
| 01:00.38 | stuart_ | travisat, not sure bout that though lol |
| 01:00.44 | travisat | stuart_: thats one commands |
| 01:00.56 | gary | dondelelcaro: so i don't need to worry about it. I am currently moving my / partition to a new partition that is bigger |
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| 01:02.07 | Smash3r | Anyone can help? I'm new to debian and would like to perform an install on my 166mhz laptop computer and would like to know if I could run debian with GUI? maybe I'm dreaming... I'd like to know.. |
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| 01:02.18 | cafuego | dvs: Not that kind of snort |
| 01:02.19 | markybob | Smash3r, and you were asked how much ram |
| 01:02.24 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:02.26 | BadMan | Well, same thing as last time... |
| 01:02.28 | Smash3r | oh sorry didnt see it |
| 01:02.29 | BadMan | arg |
| 01:02.32 | dondelelcaro | Smash3r: yes, you can, if you have enough memory. Even if you don't, you still can, it just takes some acrobatics. |
| 01:02.34 | yebian | dondelelcaro both of the modules you said that I have to load have been inthere the last 12 times I've run make bzImage. Theres still no keyboard. |
| 01:02.35 | DaveNotik | travisat: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source, after some other GUI errors... |
| 01:02.35 | markybob | Smash3r, pay attention if you want answers |
| 01:02.37 | Smash3r | 48mb |
| 01:02.42 | Smash3r | (sorry) |
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| 01:02.52 | dondelelcaro | yebian: I'm asking what is in /proc/config.gz; not what you thought you built into the kernel. |
| 01:02.58 | markybob | Smash3r, forget about gnome. you could use one of the lighter ones |
| 01:03.07 | BenDrake | hey all, I am using debian sarge with KDE. and was wondering how I could switch from using mdu to the Gnome login. |
| 01:03.07 | dondelelcaro | yebian: just use the paster bot to stick the contents of /proc/config.gz up. /msg dpkg paster |
| 01:03.09 | Smash3r | okay hmm |
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| 01:03.27 | stuart_ | twm |
| 01:03.29 | markybob | BenDrake, i think what you mean is apt-get install gdm |
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| 01:03.56 | yebian | dondelelcaro: I cant its a different machine. and the machine has 2.6.8 on it which Ive been using to build the kernel. |
| 01:04.01 | BenDrake | yeah, Its installed. But it uses mdu insted. |
| 01:04.13 | dondelelcaro | yebian: that doesn't matter. You can still log into the machine remotely. |
| 01:04.28 | stuart_ | BenDrake, don't you have an option to choose at startx's login? |
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| 01:04.51 | Smash3r | markybob when you say "lighter ones do you mean KDE ? |
| 01:04.52 | yebian | dondelelcaro: yes but I'd be giving you information about the 2.6.8 kernel and not the 2.6.10 kernel. |
| 01:04.53 | DaveNotik | travisat: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source, after some other GUI errors... |
| 01:05.00 | stuart_ | pfft, downloading a 7meg package to view a 30kb pdf file |
| 01:05.01 | markybob | Smash3r, no, not even close |
| 01:05.03 | dondelelcaro | yebian: why can't you boot into 2.6.10? |
| 01:05.09 | directhex | Smash3r, hell no. icewm at a push. twm ideally |
| 01:05.18 | stuart_ | Smash3r, twm |
| 01:05.19 | dondelelcaro | yebian: surely the keboard not working doesn't matter? |
| 01:05.32 | pipeline | Smash3r: screw twm, they're all envious of mwm |
| 01:05.43 | BadMan | Install the point release, mounted Q# and Q#:TA coppied the pak0.pak3 to respective places. simply clicked on the quake3 shell located in my users /home/bill/quake3/ Screen Goes black and mouse is huge (my res is 1024x768) move mouse around notice im on a virtual desktop now, actual screen res approx 640x480(black square) witha virtual of 1024x768 init the screen size and rotate from system on kde menu selec the full 1024x768 and the |
| 01:05.44 | BadMan | virtual disappears leaving the 640x480 black blob on top of everything Ideas? |
| 01:05.51 | stuart_ | twm rox me up |
| 01:05.52 | yebian | dondelelcaro: I think Im seeing where you are going with this. |
| 01:05.57 | Smash3r | hmm |
| 01:06.01 | ffeezz | dondelelcaro, well, modified /etc/hosts and seems like that was where I should have done it in the first place, guess i'll find out for sure, when I have to resend half of all these mails :/ |
| 01:06.12 | thomas_adam | mwm rocks, as does fvwm, but YMMV. |
| 01:06.25 | ffeezz | thanx for the help though |
| 01:06.29 | directhex | BadMan, you use kde/gnome? |
| 01:06.31 | BenDrake | nope, i just have to option to log in. thats all |
| 01:06.32 | BadMan | I have to restart xserver to get rid of the 640x480 black patch |
| 01:06.33 | BadMan | kde |
| 01:06.43 | directhex | BadMan, neverball runs okay? |
| 01:06.48 | BadMan | ran great |
| 01:06.57 | sparr_ | who suggested single user mode? |
| 01:06.59 | directhex | BadMan, go into kcontrol, look for sound server, disable aRts |
| 01:07.04 | BadMan | ok |
| 01:07.07 | directhex | BadMan, that should fix it |
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| 01:07.21 | BadMan | Ill be back this black box is annoying need to restart xserver |
| 01:07.42 | DaveNotik | All, how do I reconfigure the Debian setting that asked me what display driver to use (I chose Vesa, when perhaps I should have chose nv, for nvidia...?)? |
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| 01:07.46 | yebian | dondelelcaro: hit me up with that command again. |
| 01:07.59 | markybob | DaveNotik, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:08.08 | directhex | DaveNotik, what version of debian, what gpu? |
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| 01:08.26 | DaveNotik | directhex: the latest netinst, sarge i believe |
| 01:08.28 | stuart_ | i have vesa for my nvidia, works fine |
| 01:08.38 | Condector | hey, anyone have a VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video and make acelleration or other video driver unless "vesa" |
| 01:08.46 | DaveNotik | stuart_: then perhaps I'm doing something else wrong |
| 01:08.48 | markybob | DaveNotik, really, read the nvidia-howto i told you to |
| 01:08.49 | directhex | Condector, www.viaarena.com |
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| 01:09.04 | DaveNotik | markybob: I am, but it's difficult... |
| 01:09.11 | dondelelcaro | yebian: just /msg dpkg paste; and paste the uncompressed contents of /proc/config.gz |
| 01:09.13 | Condector | directhex, thanks |
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| 01:09.14 | bob2 | does using usb 2.0 require any special config? |
| 01:09.15 | stuart_ | DaveNotik, and i also gave you a site http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=7524&9 |
| 01:09.19 | DaveNotik | markybob: Let me tell you specifically why... |
| 01:09.23 | bob2 | or does it Just Happen if the hardware supports it? |
| 01:09.26 | markybob | DaveNotik, take your time. to get a high resolution like you want, you'll need nvidia's module |
| 01:09.28 | directhex | bob2, no, just usb-ehci loaded |
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| 01:09.48 | bob2 | directhex: hm, maybe this hardware just sucks then |
| 01:09.49 | Condector | directhex, i'm try to learn in this page, hotwo, hehhehe |
| 01:09.50 | directhex | hum, ehci_hcd even |
| 01:09.52 | gary | guys, in fstab, what shall i put to mount my / and /home partitions: Is this ok: |
| 01:09.52 | gary | /dev/hda4 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 01:09.53 | gary | /dev/hda2 /home ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 01:10.08 | DaveNotik | Thanks guys, stand by... |
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| 01:10.15 | sparr_ | my stuttering problem disappeared when i switched to singler user mode. other than a process of process elimination what might i try to narrow down which app is causing the problem on a normal boot? |
| 01:10.26 | directhex | bedtime. |
| 01:10.34 | bob2 | gary: looks good |
| 01:10.35 | cheal | hehe, according to wikipedia "ircII is the canonical Unix IRC client" |
| 01:10.35 | bob2 | directhex: adios |
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| 01:10.41 | gary | thanks bob2 |
| 01:10.42 | cheal | good night directhex |
| 01:10.44 | yebian | THIS IS NOT THAT MACHINE! |
| 01:10.45 | gary | i've changed lilo.conf |
| 01:10.52 | Smash3r | hey hmm is blackbox light on ressources ? |
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| 01:10.56 | gary | i've changed fstab, and i'm going to run lilo and reboot |
| 01:11.09 | Dashiva | is there any way to prevent debian from loading a module at boot, i'd like to stop it from loading the agpgart drivers so i can use the nvidia one |
| 01:11.17 | dvs | yebian: Install sshd on that machine and use ssh to connect to that machine |
| 01:11.28 | pipeline | Dashiva: /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 01:11.39 | gary | brb |
| 01:11.41 | gary | ... i hope |
| 01:11.45 | yebian | tried that read from socket failed: connection reset by peer |
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| 01:12.23 | yebian | it even says it starts |
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| 01:12.23 | dvs | yebian: Did you configure it to allow connections from the other machine? |
| 01:12.27 | BadMan | dude direc so kewl@ |
| 01:12.30 | BadMan | kewl! |
| 01:12.40 | BadMan | evn have sound@ |
| 01:12.42 | yebian | yes |
| 01:12.52 | dvs | yebian: How? |
| 01:13.04 | BadMan | no sounds in kde now though,,,,, |
| 01:13.07 | yebian | with the curses interface when it installs |
| 01:13.11 | cafuego | H&I!^&RTB*^%#$CGBR$&I |
| 01:13.24 | indes | what are the switches to get mkisofs to get long filenames? --long-filenames -J --joliet-long is still renaming things |
| 01:13.47 | guestish | you can do -R for rock ridge |
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| 01:14.06 | sun_ | hi this has happened several times, i do aptitude dist-upgrade and then a whole bunch of packages i never requested, such as bin86 finger dictionaries-common and many others appear in the list to be automatically installed; |
| 01:14.16 | indes | guestish, that renames tooo |
| 01:14.18 | sun_ | anyone know why? |
| 01:14.25 | DaveNotik | stuart_: nvidia-kernel-common is not found by apt-get |
| 01:14.31 | dmp_ | sun_: dependencies? |
| 01:14.38 | guestish | sun_: those are called dependencies... |
| 01:14.53 | guestish | its when 1 file depends on another, get it? |
| 01:14.56 | guestish | :) |
| 01:15.00 | indes | things that require some other things. |
| 01:15.01 | indes | heheh |
| 01:15.18 | sun_ | yes i know they are dependencies but i cant figure out what is causing it, for example flex, ftp, bison, tcsh? |
| 01:15.24 | FieldySnuts | indes: the max is 103 characters. if it's past that, you're screwed |
| 01:15.37 | sun_ | dependencies of what? |
| 01:15.40 | guestish | sun_: that i cant tell you, sorry |
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| 01:16.02 | guestish | sun_: you'd probably best off doing a upgrade, then seeing whats held back due to new packages |
| 01:16.31 | guestish | you are* |
| 01:17.00 | indes | FieldySnuts, Its not 103 chars tho |
| 01:17.01 | indes | argh |
| 01:17.06 | indes | I jus have the wrong params. |
| 01:17.10 | guestish | could be |
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| 01:17.16 | FieldySnuts | user error] |
| 01:17.25 | indes | I am able to count.. |
| 01:17.39 | indes | lol |
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| 01:18.00 | gary | Hey guys, i'm in windows. It didn't go 100% ok. It stopped half way through booting up. I think it was having problems with none of the /proc directories existing |
| 01:18.46 | TheChicagoKoneko | i think I have found a bug in the gnome-core package for unstable; I want to submit a bug report but I went to htp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-core to see if it was there alread and there seems to be nothing recent there - am I looking in the right place? |
| 01:18.48 | directhex | !tell DaveNotik about non-free sources |
| 01:18.55 | directhex | !tell DaveNotik about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 01:19.33 | cheal | DaveNotik: even with non-free and contrib sources? |
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| 01:20.29 | gary | Can anyone help me. I was changing my / partition to another parition. I copied all directories apart from /proc. I was under the impression that this was controlled by the kernel. Now when i try to boot up it gets half way through it and stops. I think this is due to the /proc directory not being there |
| 01:20.34 | gary | Any suggestions? |
| 01:20.39 | dmp_ | you need to mkdir /proc |
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| 01:20.43 | dmp_ | you do not need its contents. |
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| 01:21.41 | gary | oh right |
| 01:21.47 | gary | darn it, how can i do that from windows |
| 01:21.47 | uau | i just noticed that "date -d 1882-01-01" gives "Fri Dec 13 22:25:44 HMT 1901" as the answer, but "date -d 1881-01-01" says "date: invalid date `1881-01-01'" |
| 01:21.53 | uau | anyone know why the first one doesn't return an error? |
| 01:21.54 | FieldySnuts | how would we know |
| 01:22.06 | Gumby | if I have a user that is part of a group and I have done chmod +gw -R directory_name and chown user:group -R directory_name. shouldnt all users in the "group" have write access? |
| 01:22.09 | bob2 | gary: can't, but you dn't need to |
| 01:22.19 | dmp_ | gary: you probably dont. boot with init=/bin/bash on kernel command line |
| 01:22.21 | gary | bob2: it doesn't boot properly though |
| 01:22.24 | dmp_ | that'll give you single user mode, basically |
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| 01:22.27 | dmp_ | mount -o remount rw / |
| 01:22.29 | absence | without udev, the snd-seq module is loaded when a program accesses /dev/snd/seq (i think). without udev, /dev/snd/seq doesn't exist until the snd-seq module is loaded. this seems like a chicken and egg problem, how does autoloading work in this case? |
| 01:22.30 | dmp_ | and mkdir /proc |
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| 01:22.33 | Kiowas | hello |
| 01:22.33 | bob2 | gary: do what dmp_ said |
| 01:22.47 | meme | hello? |
| 01:22.51 | bob2 | absence: it doesn't, load the module in /etc/modules |
| 01:23.00 | uau | absence: under undev accessing files under /dev does not load modules automatically |
| 01:23.02 | bob2 | udev doesn't invent device nodes and hope there's a module to load for them at some point |
| 01:23.05 | gary | thanks dmp_ bbrazil |
| 01:23.08 | gary | bob2: ** i mean |
| 01:23.09 | dmp_ | np |
| 01:23.21 | Kiowas | anyone know how to install XFree86 development libraries? Im trying to compile mplayer and it cant seem to find them |
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| 01:23.36 | absence | bob2, so with udev, modules have to be loaded at all times even when they're not used? |
| 01:23.36 | bob2 | Kiowas: a) /msg dpkg mplayer b) xlibs-dev |
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| 01:24.09 | bob2 | absence: how much memory does not having snd_seq loaded save? |
| 01:24.34 | Guerin | Kiowas read about apt-get build-dep |
| 01:24.53 | absence | bob2, not much, but i imagine it would add up if everyone thought the same way |
| 01:25.03 | uau | Guerin: i think there's still no (official) mplayer package with build-depends |
| 01:25.05 | bob2 | absence: no, it doesn't add up to anything useful |
| 01:25.25 | bob2 | absence: to do what devfs did requires the kernel to make up device node names to map to modules |
| 01:25.32 | bob2 | absence: part of the point of udev is that this doesn't happen |
| 01:25.40 | nutshell42 | then why use modules? Linux is monolithic, that was the idea when it was created |
| 01:25.50 | bob2 | huh? |
| 01:25.57 | bob2 | you can load and unload modules whenever you want |
| 01:25.59 | travisat | nutshell42: monolithic=not good |
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| 01:26.05 | Kiowas | Guerin, build-dep? hadnt heard of that yet |
| 01:26.07 | encrypt | sorry for offtopic but can anybody suggest me a php translation-in-group system? For example, I have 200000 files that must be translated.. someone go into the site, choose a file, then submit the translation.. then it sends to moderator and it aproves or not.. |
| 01:26.08 | bob2 | it just won't magically load them when you touch a device |
| 01:26.10 | nutshell42 | let's compile everything and the kitchensink in the kernel, modules are for devfs freaks =) |
| 01:26.15 | bucky | nutshell42, no.. that was minix |
| 01:26.19 | bob2 | encrypt: #php |
| 01:26.28 | FieldySnuts | @troll nutshell42 |
| 01:26.38 | bob2 | encrypt: also, insisting on an implementation language seems a tad silly |
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| 01:26.52 | nutshell42 | I see why udev does what it does |
| 01:26.54 | RichiH | encrypt: there are solutions for that. google, freshmeat & sourceforge for them - can't remember the names |
| 01:27.03 | nutshell42 | but I think devfs is the right approach |
| 01:27.19 | dvs | nutshell42: You've be overruled. |
| 01:27.22 | absence | bob2, well, it would seem like the plain old /dev has a slight advantage in that area then :) not that it matters much, just annoying to have to start specifying which modules should be loaded, when they used to load automatically |
| 01:27.24 | nutshell42 | fixing the problems of devfs would have been better imho than what udev offers now |
| 01:27.33 | caphuso | nutshell42: obviously |
| 01:27.38 | gary | dmp_: did you mean in /etc/lilo to change it from init=/initrd.... to /bin/bash? |
| 01:27.43 | uau | absence: hotplug can load them automatically |
| 01:27.45 | caphuso | nutshell42: and that's exactly why it hasn't happened in about 3 years... |
| 01:27.49 | gary | dmp_: sorry, i just want to get it clear first |
| 01:27.50 | dmp_ | gary: how could you edit /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 01:27.53 | dacoc | hello |
| 01:27.55 | caphuso | nutshell42: because it's SUCH a great idea |
| 01:27.59 | dmp_ | you type it in at the lilo prompt, gary |
| 01:28.10 | stuart_ | wow bitlbee is great |
| 01:28.12 | stuart_ | wow linux is great |
| 01:28.13 | stuart_ | lol |
| 01:28.14 | stuart_ | br |
| 01:28.19 | dmp_ | <--beware fanboy |
| 01:28.22 | absence | uau, how do i make it? |
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| 01:28.25 | dmp_ | not me, stua |
| 01:28.26 | dmp_ | *rt_ |
| 01:28.59 | nutshell42 | caphuso: yeah in reality it's so obviously bad and unusable that a number of distributions simply don't work because they default to devfs for ridiculous reasons |
| 01:29.31 | gary | dmp_: i'm not sure yet |
| 01:29.32 | gary | oh |
| 01:29.33 | gary | duh |
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| 01:29.34 | gary | brb then |
| 01:29.41 | stuart_ | hey guys how'd i know if i installed nvidia correct |
| 01:29.44 | travisat | udevsmite $1 is <action> squishes $1 into /dev removing unneeded parts such as a brain |
| 01:29.49 | dmp_ | stuart_: because it would work? |
| 01:29.55 | uau | absence: i'm not familiar with /dev/snd/seq if you're specifically talking about that, and don't know whether that one gets loaded automatically by anything |
| 01:29.59 | travisat | dpkg, udevsmite $1 is <action> squishes $1 into /dev removing unneeded parts such as a brain |
| 01:30.13 | stuart_ | dmp_, how'd i confirm that other than play a game |
| 01:30.27 | travisat | oh hmmm private commands do work here |
| 01:30.33 | dmp_ | if you put nvidia not nv, and it works, then it's using the driver |
| 01:30.39 | dmp_ | glxgears might be useful as a comparison |
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| 01:30.50 | l1nux | hi |
| 01:30.57 | travisat | !udevsmite nutshell42 |
| 01:31.10 | DaveNotik | Very lame question, but if I am in VI to edit a .list file, how do I save my changes? I don't even know the basics! |
| 01:31.15 | dmp_ | :x |
| 01:31.18 | dmp_ | is save and quit |
| 01:31.20 | Phated | Use nano? |
| 01:31.22 | stuart_ | DaveNotik, press esc, then press : |
| 01:31.24 | absence | uau, snd-seq isn't automatically loaded by any hardware drivers i think, but it used to be loaded when a program accessed /dev/snd/seq before i installed udev. oh well, i'll just put it in /etc/modules |
| 01:31.29 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: 6 |
| 01:31.31 | stuart_ | DaveNotik, then type wq |
| 01:31.31 | travisat | DaveNotik: :wq |
| 01:31.37 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: heh nice |
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| 01:31.39 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 01:31.43 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 01:31.49 | stuart_ | woot i'm learning |
| 01:31.52 | nutshell42 | you mean now I become a debian drone and will support udev with all my heart (no brain left to support anything with it =) |
| 01:31.52 | DaveNotik | thanks! |
| 01:31.52 | stuart_ | okay time to go to bed |
| 01:32.04 | stuart_ | will complete video support tomorrow |
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| 01:32.50 | l1nux | i have problem at boot with kernel 2.6.11, vfs kernel pacic :/ how to load reiserfs module with grub ? |
| 01:33.09 | caphuso | l1nux: you don't |
| 01:33.18 | uau | do you need to have it as a module? |
| 01:33.24 | dvs | l1nux: If your root filesystem is reiser, you're screwed. |
| 01:33.56 | gary | I tried what you said, i got to a command prompt, but it wouldn't let me create a directory as it was read-only |
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| 01:34.14 | l1nux | dvs, why ?? |
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| 01:34.36 | uau | l1nux: is there a reason why you can't just compile reiserfs support into the kernel? |
| 01:34.37 | dvs | l1nux: How can you load a module from a filesystem that the kernel knows nothing about? |
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| 01:34.39 | FieldySnuts | you must have support for your root filesystem compield in, and not a module |
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| 01:35.01 | travisat | dvs: wtf you talking about, grub support reiserfs |
| 01:35.05 | caphuso | or use an initrd, but that's probably out of the question for something trying to get grub to do that job |
| 01:35.14 | gary | dmp: I tried what you said, i got to a command prompt, but it wouldn't |
| 01:35.14 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.16 | caphuso | travisat: irrelevant |
| 01:35.21 | l1nux | because i have used debian.config for my kernel :/ |
| 01:35.26 | caphuso | gary: remount read-writable |
| 01:35.43 | bob2 | l1nux: why are you building your own kernel? |
| 01:35.45 | travisat | caphuso: huh? |
| 01:35.46 | dvs | travisat: But reiser support isn't compiled into the kernel |
| 01:35.55 | travisat | dvs: oh, idiot |
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| 01:36.11 | gary | caphuso: how ? |
| 01:36.15 | l1nux | bob2, for more hardware support |
| 01:36.16 | caphuso | travisat: if grub supports reiserfs or not is completely irrelevant |
| 01:36.24 | caphuso | gary: mount -o remount,rw |
| 01:36.28 | bob2 | l1nux: the Debian kernel includes support for all hardware supported by the mainline kernel |
| 01:36.29 | DaveNotik | Uggghh... m-a prepare --- couldn't find kernel-headers 2.4.... |
| 01:36.32 | gary | caphuso: from the command line? |
| 01:36.35 | bob2 | l1nux: what in particular are you adding? |
| 01:36.47 | caphuso | gary: no, at the backside of your bathroom mirror |
| 01:36.48 | uau | there's no debian 2.6.11 kernel |
| 01:36.51 | uau | or is there now? |
| 01:36.56 | gary | caphuso: how will that help / |
| 01:37.01 | gary | lol, thanks caphuso |
| 01:37.04 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 01:37.09 | l1nux | uau, yes ! |
| 01:37.10 | gary | brb |
| 01:37.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6.11' returned no results. |
| 01:37.20 | uau | seems to have appeared during the last couple of days |
| 01:37.51 | uau | i compiled 2.6.11.3 this monday and at that time there was no debian version |
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| 01:38.01 | SuspectX | !find kernel-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
| 01:38.06 | l1nux | is not possible to load reiserfs module at startup ? |
| 01:38.06 | travisat | caphuso: sorry, its completely irrelevatn |
| 01:38.08 | dvs | uau: You're behind |
| 01:38.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-2.6.11.tar.bz2' returned no results. |
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| 01:38.17 | dvs | 2.6.11.4 |
| 01:38.19 | caphuso | l1nux: it is, by using an initrd |
| 01:38.39 | uau | dvs: the differences in 2.6.11.4 (which appeared after Monday) were only ppp server fixes |
| 01:38.43 | l1nux | hmm.. |
| 01:38.55 | FieldySnuts | 11.4? please don't tell me those damn kernel devs are going down that lame versioning route |
| 01:38.59 | dvs | uau: Just bugging you ;-) |
| 01:39.08 | travisat | 2.6.11 works pretty good though |
| 01:39.09 | zinx | FieldySnuts: ok. i won't. |
| 01:39.11 | dvs | FieldySnuts: OK. I wont tell you |
| 01:39.13 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
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| 01:39.41 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: they go down that lame versioning route |
| 01:39.42 | uau | l1nux: just compile it in instead of making it a module |
| 01:39.53 | caphuso | SCNR :-P |
| 01:40.01 | dvs | caphuso: FieldySnuts told you not to.. ;-) |
| 01:40.05 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 01:40.09 | SuspectX | !find *grsec* |
| 01:40.18 | l1nux | uau, ok :) |
| 01:40.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of '*grsec*' (3 of 5): (/etc/grsec/acl) in admin/gradm ;; (/etc/grsec2/{learn_config|policy}) in admin/gradm2 ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/grsecurity.rules) in admin/prelude-lml. |
| 01:40.43 | SuspectX | good.. |
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| 01:41.15 | SuspectX | !find *openwall* |
| 01:41.22 | uau | so anyone have an idea why date -d accepts an argument of "1882-01-01"? |
| 01:41.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '*openwall*' returned no results. |
| 01:41.25 | FieldySnuts | you can msg the bot, you know |
| 01:41.30 | uau | is there some reason why that's not a bug? |
| 01:41.32 | l1nux | ohh.. the 2.6.11.4 is out :D |
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| 01:43.35 | gary | caphuso: i tried what you said but it just errored and said that it "couldnt find rw in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 01:44.14 | caphuso | gary: *sigh*... ok, here's the copy&paste variant: "mount -o remount,rw /" WITHOUT the "" |
| 01:44.23 | dondelelcaro | if anyone cares about epoch: 1111111111; watch -n 1 date +%s |
| 01:44.38 | gary | really caphuso |
| 01:44.52 | gary | maybe you should get over yourself and realise that your plan has a flaw |
| 01:44.58 | gary | i tried that command, and it didn't work |
| 01:45.05 | caphuso | gary: no, you didn't |
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| 01:45.22 | caphuso | gary: if it said it can't find rw in /etc/fstab, then you got at least one wrong space in there |
| 01:45.30 | gary | your right |
| 01:45.35 | gary | i missed the / |
| 01:45.39 | caphuso | gary: now stop trying to be more clever than you (and i) are |
| 01:45.43 | gary | but you didn't put that in your previous statement |
| 01:45.53 | caphuso | gary: yes, because i left out the obvious stuff |
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| 01:45.58 | gary | lol |
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| 01:46.06 | gary | what's obvious to you, is obvious to me |
| 01:46.10 | riddley | what's the package that asks you if you have an LCD monitor (for font hinting) |
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| 01:46.12 | caphuso | guess i should not assume basic knowledge of mount :-/ |
| 01:46.13 | gary | is not obvious to me i mean |
| 01:46.16 | gary | darn it's too late |
| 01:46.21 | caphuso | riddley: fontconfig |
| 01:46.25 | riddley | caphuso: thanks |
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| 01:46.50 | travisat | wtf is wrong with ftp.debian.org...its so slow.. |
| 01:47.01 | caphuso | travisat: which one? |
| 01:47.09 | travisat | ftp.debian.org |
| 01:47.20 | caphuso | travisat: yes, obviously. but which one? |
| 01:47.23 | travisat | that one |
| 01:47.29 | Phated | FFS, just use another mirror. |
| 01:47.37 | daveo | question: does the php4 package have support for the mail() function compiled in? |
| 01:47.43 | caphuso | ftp.debian.org is different mirrors |
| 01:47.46 | travisat | couldn't apt was in the middle of downloading, now its done |
| 01:47.47 | dondelelcaro | travisat: there are *TWO* machines at ftp.debian.org |
| 01:48.01 | travisat | dondelelcaro: I don't know which machine, how can you tell |
| 01:48.10 | dondelelcaro | travisat: because you look at the output of apt-get... |
| 01:48.13 | riddley | if my fonts on QT apps are looking all mashed (line-spacing is too low) what's the best way to figure out what's causing that? |
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| 01:48.53 | legba7 | PerfDave: i have now 2.4.18.-1-k6 but my usb-flash-drive lost data when i connected it to the battery-modul as with the other kernel. Any idea? |
| 01:49.03 | legba7 | ping PerfDave |
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| 01:49.32 | dvs | legba7: It lost data when you *connected* it? |
| 01:49.35 | DaveNotik | How do I exit X-Server? |
| 01:50.45 | legba7 | dvs my muvo usb-flash-drive lose data if connected to its powersuply for mp3-player-ability if data ist written with woody to it |
| 01:50.48 | riddley | DaveNotik: hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:51.13 | DaveNotik | riddley: That just switches to the Terminal, but X-Server is still running. |
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| 01:51.37 | dvs | legba7: The only thing I can think of is that it was not umounted before it was disconnected. |
| 01:52.22 | riddley | DaveNotik: figure out what login manager you're using and turn it off (/etc/init.d/?dm stop) |
| 01:52.25 | gary | Ok guys, i created a /proc partition but it still complains it can't find some directories in /proc |
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| 01:53.00 | DaveNotik | riddley: I'm a newbie. :( How do I stop a login manager? I'm using Gnome. |
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| 01:53.03 | legba7 | dvs: i unmounted it, i synced the system before that and i remounted it to check if the data is still there but if i connect the movo to the battery supply it lost the new data. new directorys are there |
| 01:53.05 | stouset | Anyone here familiar with DVDs on Linux? |
| 01:53.07 | Cyanophytes | Somehow when doing some changes to users I changed root's home directory to /dev/nul and login shell to /bin/false. Is there anyway I can change this because now I can't login |
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| 01:53.28 | riddley | DaveNotik: I just told you... /etc/init.d/?dm stop where the ? is a 'k' or an 'x' or a 'g' |
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| 01:53.34 | riddley | whichever one you're using |
| 01:53.41 | gary | 01:09 < gary> /dev/hda4 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 01:53.42 | JDigital | 1111110893 |
| 01:53.43 | gary | 01:09 < gary> /dev/hda2 /home ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 01:53.47 | gary | Do you think that looks right? |
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| 01:55.00 | riddley | DaveNotik: that will only turn it off until the next reboot... if you want to leave it off, use something like rcconf |
| 01:55.04 | davedorm | I am trying to get my webcam to work in a fresh install of Sarge |
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| 01:55.37 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: i would just use a bootdisk and then manually edit /etc/passwd |
| 01:55.40 | stouset | Can anyone tell me why /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd is only readable by root? Makes it hard to play DVDs :-) I'd chgrp it to plugdev, but I'm wondering why it's not readable by other groups in the first place. I can mount the drive manually, but DVD players like Totem need direct access to the drive. |
| 01:55.53 | daveo | does the debian php4 package have built-in support for exim4? |
| 01:56.05 | caphuso | daveo: it doesn't need to |
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| 01:56.12 | Cyanophytes | dhruv any idea on creating a boot disk that can get to to a prompt to change that? |
| 01:56.17 | caphuso | exim provides a perfectly fine working /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 01:56.30 | legba7 | any experience with data-losing on usb-flash-drives if data was written with woody to the drive? |
| 01:56.36 | DaveNotik | riddley: doesn't work. I did: /etc/init.d /xdm stop |
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| 01:56.52 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: there are a million, if you still have your debian install disk, you can use that |
| 01:57.03 | dvs | DaveNotik: Try /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 01:57.11 | daveo | caphuso: then I must have a config problem with php4 |
| 01:57.14 | DaveNotik | riddley: Tried that too. |
| 01:57.21 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: otherwise knoppix or tomsrtbt |
| 01:57.30 | dvs | DaveNotik: ls /etc/init.d/?dm |
| 01:57.44 | drini | or zen-linux live cd |
| 01:57.57 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: once you boot to the boot disk, you can just mount your hard drive and make the change |
| 01:58.10 | DaveNotik | dvs: No /xdm/ under init.d |
| 01:58.21 | DaveNotik | oh! |
| 01:58.24 | DaveNotik | hold |
| 01:58.26 | DaveNotik | guess i'm using gdm |
| 01:58.29 | FieldySnuts | @enter |
| 01:58.30 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 01:58.31 | dondelelcaro | 1111111111 |
| 01:58.35 | zignig | happy 1111111111 !! |
| 01:58.36 | Cyanophytes | dhruv: the boot disk I have just loads kernel and starts up my system to kde |
| 01:58.37 | gravity | Yay! |
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| 01:58.39 | zignig | woot! |
| 01:58.42 | holycow | hey guys |
| 01:58.43 | FieldySnuts | i thought that was tomorrow |
| 01:58.51 | zignig | for you maybe |
| 01:58.55 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: so can you open a konsole in kde? |
| 01:59.01 | legba7 | why is my eth0 not recognized after apt-get install new-kernel ? |
| 01:59.02 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: or an xterm or whatever |
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| 01:59.04 | Cyanophytes | yes |
| 01:59.15 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: so then you're set, just mount your hard drive |
| 01:59.19 | davedorm | I am trying to get my webcam to work in a fresh install of Sarge... the pwc module is loaded but it is not seeing my cam in Gnomemeeting or camstream |
| 01:59.22 | davedorm | any ideas? |
| 01:59.26 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: and then edit /etc/passwd |
| 01:59.29 | FieldySnuts | @any ideas |
| 01:59.30 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a dozen rabid goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:59.42 | gary | Guys, i copied my / partition to a new partition. I then changed lilo to boot hte new partition. Now when i start the computer it gets half way through and freezes. It says that it can't find some directories in /proc. I'm not sure, but maybe this is due to /etc/fstab. Any other suggestions |
| 01:59.48 | gary | I'll paste my fstab into pastebhin |
| 01:59.53 | dvs | legba7: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 01:59.55 | holycow | anyone know which package contains the /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi fonts? goddamn debian, you install it and quickly forget your skills as it never needs to be touched |
| 01:59.56 | gary | oh actually i won't yet |
| 02:00.17 | caphuso | holycow: xfonts-75dpi |
| 02:00.21 | holycow | i do have xfree86-common installed already ... is it another package with 'common' in it? |
| 02:00.21 | daveo | caphuso: do I need to modify the php.ini so that it has the right info for the mail function? |
| 02:00.32 | caphuso | daveo: no idea |
| 02:00.37 | holycow | caph really? i thought there was a xserver metapackage that contained all of them? |
| 02:00.42 | legba7 | dvs: it is there thank you |
| 02:00.52 | dvs | legba7: What does it say? |
| 02:00.52 | caphuso | holycow: x-window-system* |
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| 02:01.01 | riddley | DaveNotik: re-read what I said to do |
| 02:01.02 | holycow | caphuso, !! ding! |
| 02:01.04 | holycow | thank ya! |
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| 02:01.30 | DaveNotik | riddley: worked, but install failed due to missing kernel and kernel-source |
| 02:01.31 | riddley | DaveNotik: (there's only one space) |
| 02:01.33 | holycow | caphuso, 'preciate that |
| 02:01.39 | sander_ | how come I have to do setxkbmap no, every time I go into x.. to get norwegian/european setup? |
| 02:01.45 | DaveNotik | riddley: installing 2.6 kernel-source |
| 02:01.55 | riddley | DaveNotik: I have no idea what you're talking about now. See ya! |
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| 02:02.07 | legba7 | dvs: 00:0a.0 Ethernet conteroller: Realtek..... RTL-8029(AS) that is right |
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| 02:02.58 | squigly | the format for a mail alias file is alias: user1,user2 ? |
| 02:03.03 | DaveNotik | How do I determine my Linux version? |
| 02:03.11 | caphuso | DaveNotik: uname -r |
| 02:03.44 | DaveNotik | thanks! |
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| 02:04.34 | legba7 | dvs: networking restat -> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 02:04.34 | tdfc | anyone successfully installed emacs21 (21.3+1-8) on sarge ? |
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| 02:05.04 | stouset | Nobody knows why cd devices would be readable only as root? |
| 02:05.06 | acid-trip | does anyone know anything about powerdns, making host names |
| 02:05.09 | dvs | legba7: I'm not sure what module a RealTek 8029 uses |
| 02:05.29 | Phated | stouset: You're not in the cdrom group and/or the device is owned by root? |
| 02:05.31 | legba7 | dvs: ne2000 |
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| 02:06.30 | stouset | Phated: argh...looks like I fucked up at some point while editing /etc/groups...the cdrom group was appended to the line of the group above |
| 02:06.35 | stouset | Phated: Give me a sec :-) |
| 02:06.54 | dvs | legba7: The module is called ne2k-pci in 2.6 |
| 02:06.59 | gary | caphuso: it still complains about missing proc directories |
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| 02:07.15 | stouset | Phated: Okay, that's fixed. But the drive itself is still group owned by root |
| 02:07.24 | Phated | stouset: So... change it? |
| 02:07.32 | stouset | Phated: Just wondering why it's root by default. |
| 02:07.38 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 02:07.44 | stouset | Phated: And I'm sure udev will undo my changes. |
| 02:08.04 | Phated | Ah, udev? I'll back out gracefully here. |
| 02:08.06 | legba7 | dvs: it was ne2k-pci, good idea i did modprobe it and now it works! thank you! |
| 02:08.16 | dvs | legba7: np |
| 02:09.47 | stouset | Phated: Aaaaaaaaaah |
| 02:09.56 | acid-trip | does anyone help me with powerdns |
| 02:09.57 | stouset | Phated: It goes back to the problem with my /etc/group file as I mentioned before. |
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| 02:10.05 | Phated | stouset: Well done. |
| 02:10.44 | stouset | Phated: /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions *does* say those should be owned by group cdrom. But when group cdrom doesn't *exist*... ;) |
| 02:10.47 | stouset | Phated: *thwaps self* |
| 02:10.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:11.17 | stouset | Rebooting, back in a few. |
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| 02:13.24 | mindframe | why isnt sound working in xmms? i have all the snd_ modules loaded and alsaconf says its working. |
| 02:13.28 | gary | dmp_: you around? |
| 02:13.42 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mindframe about sound |
| 02:14.23 | dvs | mindframe: Did you configure xmms to use ALSA? |
| 02:14.31 | gary | check the volume first |
| 02:14.45 | simonrvn | well, we passed 1111111111 |
| 02:14.47 | mindframe | dvs: yes, i just didnt realize i'd have to log out and back in to change the group settings |
| 02:14.49 | mindframe | brb |
| 02:14.56 | simonrvn | as of less than 15 min ago |
| 02:15.11 | dvs | mindframe: That's not what I meant |
| 02:15.13 | simonrvn | while sleep 1; do n=$(expr 1111111111 - $(date +%s)); hh=$((n/3600)); mm=$((n/60-hh*60)); |
| 02:15.16 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.27 | simonrvn | while sleep 1; do n=$(expr 1111111111 - $(date +%s)); hh=$((n/3600)); mm=$((n/60-hh*60)); |
| 02:15.31 | simonrvn | woops |
| 02:15.44 | simonrvn | didn't mean to paste that last one |
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| 02:16.12 | deadcat | its just the date output. i got 999999999999999999 and you dont see me bitching about it |
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| 02:16.24 | mindframe | got it, thanks |
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| 02:16.42 | dvs | mindframe: Got what? |
| 02:16.43 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mindframe about screen |
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| 02:16.53 | scarynetworkguy | mindframe: You might find that useful. |
| 02:17.00 | gary | Hello, i've just copied my / to a new partition and changed lilo to that new partition. I updated /etc/fstab too |
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| 02:17.17 | gary | When i start the computer, it gets half way through and freezes. It says that it cant find some /proc directories. So i boot to a command line and make a /proc directory. I heard that the kernel will use this to store the system information |
| 02:17.30 | gary | But it still complains about not having access to it, and it also complained about some directories being missing in /proc as well |
| 02:18.18 | mindframe | scarynetworkguy: yeah screen is nice. i sometimes use it on gameservers |
| 02:18.32 | mindframe | just started using linux on this laptop |
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| 02:18.59 | simonrvn | deadcat: you miss the point. oh well |
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| 02:20.28 | gav | hi |
| 02:20.47 | gav | I misconfiured my keyboard and x server when I installed linux |
| 02:21.11 | gav | how do I fix them in xorg |
| 02:21.11 | gav | the reso in 640x480 |
| 02:21.11 | gav | I want 1124x760 |
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| 02:21.26 | Kvant | gav, what dist do you use? |
| 02:21.28 | gav | and the / is comign out ç on keyboard I use the / from numpad on right |
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| 02:21.36 | gav | gobolinux distro |
| 02:21.40 | Kvant | ;P |
| 02:21.42 | gav | xorg |
| 02:21.57 | gav | is x windosw distro |
| 02:22.00 | holycow | gav, gobo? |
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| 02:22.07 | gav | www.gobolinux.org |
| 02:22.08 | holycow | throw that shit out :) |
| 02:22.11 | holycow | no seriously |
| 02:22.14 | holycow | stop using that crap |
| 02:22.19 | gav | IM on it now |
| 02:22.22 | gravity | gav: You're in the wrong channel |
| 02:22.22 | holycow | use a real distro with a real file system |
| 02:22.25 | gav | I mean it works but looks blurry |
| 02:22.44 | gav | I think due to resolution settings |
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| 02:22.51 | holycow | thats a distro made by loosers that think the windows file system makes sense |
| 02:23.03 | deadcat | so debian/rules is replaced by m-a ? |
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| 02:23.06 | Xenguy | "GoboLinux is an alternative Linux distribution which redefines the entire filesystem hierarchy." |
| 02:23.07 | gav | no they want to make installer unneeded |
| 02:23.09 | Xenguy | ugh |
| 02:23.15 | gravity | gav: This is a channel for Debian support. Not GoboLinux support |
| 02:23.16 | holycow | no its a retarded distro |
| 02:23.17 | holycow | heh |
| 02:23.22 | gav | each program in its own folder |
| 02:23.23 | holycow | what gravity said |
| 02:23.29 | gav | links to keep everything same to ssytem |
| 02:23.32 | gav | it col idea |
| 02:23.36 | holycow | no it's stupid |
| 02:23.44 | Xenguy | gav: it's fucking retarded |
| 02:23.45 | gav | jsut bad keyboard setup and X setup somehow on my part yikes |
| 02:23.46 | gravity | gav: No one cares. You're in the wrong place for help. |
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| 02:24.40 | _morbid_ | people, I have configured my keyboard as a "type5" from model "sun", but all keys are mapping to the next in the keyboard, ex: when type "a" screens shows "s" and "g"-"h", "n"-"m" |
| 02:24.46 | _morbid_ | how to fix it? |
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| 02:26.08 | Fade_To_Black | can anyone help me howto upgrade from a 2.4.21 kernel to a 2.6.8 kernel? when I make the image and boot it up, the system can't load my 'sis900' driver anymore. I'm kinda new to linux |
| 02:26.25 | travisat | how the fuck can a filesystem be a package manager |
| 02:26.43 | aardvark | travisat: badgers |
| 02:27.23 | indes | lol |
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| 02:27.27 | travisat | I'm surrounded by mammals |
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| 02:27.33 | indes | manimals |
| 02:27.35 | indes | not mammals |
| 02:27.53 | travisat | indes: derrr manimals are mammals |
| 02:28.06 | dondelelcaro | WTF are manimals? |
| 02:28.11 | gary | What exactly woudl this command do : (cd / && tar lcf - .)|(cd /t && tar xvpf -) |
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| 02:28.38 | debian | !dict manimal |
| 02:28.38 | dondelelcaro | if you want to say homo sapiens, say it. [Although, that's incorrect too, because there are denziens in this channel of the silicon and rare metals variety] |
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| 02:29.19 | Phated | And of homo neanderthal, by the looks of things. |
| 02:29.57 | Phated | (See what I mean?) |
| 02:30.05 | travisat | hehehehehehe |
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| 02:30.20 | dondelelcaro | Phated: no, it should have been "clubs Phated IN THE FACE"... ;-) |
| 02:30.21 | jetscreamer | wouldn't that be clubs, not stabs? |
| 02:30.26 | jetscreamer | jinx |
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| 02:31.02 | Phated | Clubs are far too large to fit over DCC. |
| 02:31.06 | travisat | I believe stabs was the correct term |
| 02:31.20 | deadcat | Phated: zip it |
| 02:31.30 | jetscreamer | neanderthals with knives eh |
| 02:31.38 | Phated | You can DCC a knife without even gzipping it! |
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| 02:31.41 | deadcat | bzip it |
| 02:31.54 | scarynetworkguy | Clubs don't compress well. |
| 02:31.58 | travisat | tar a bzip knifes |
| 02:32.12 | Hashar | hey guys :o) |
| 02:32.17 | sander_ | got some problems getting alsa to work. with 2.6.8 |
| 02:32.18 | Ph3NiX | Running Debian Sarge on XFS, and suddenly started freezing when booting at "checking 'hlt' instruction...OK". What should I try??? |
| 02:32.23 | emcee | scarynetworkguy: just bust out the death rays |
| 02:32.29 | Hashar | i got a little trouble with my debian testing. Xfree86 just freeze since last apt-get update. |
| 02:32.40 | Ph3NiX | This machine has amost half of a terrabyte of data, some im a bit concerned :) |
| 02:32.41 | sander_ | any tips? |
| 02:32.46 | Hashar | seems to happen when I launch konqueror / kde and sometime firefox |
| 02:33.07 | deadcat | Hashar: nvidia card? |
| 02:33.14 | Hashar | is there anyway to see what block xfree ? a strace on xfree process show "SIG ALARM" loop |
| 02:33.23 | Hashar | deadcat> yup nvidia with lastest drivers |
| 02:33.47 | deadcat | Hashar: been freezing for months on my box. )=. cant find the problem either. |
| 02:34.02 | scarynetworkguy | emcee: I prefer Redneck Katanas and/or orbital railguns. |
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| 02:34.17 | Hashar | maybe i should downgrade the drivers to privous version but I doubt it is that :o) |
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| 02:34.35 | parsec_- | nagios isnt sending out notiications properly and i cant figure it out.. |
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| 02:34.39 | parsec_- | any ideas? |
| 02:34.47 | Hashar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.48 | gerardocb | Hi, ppl. |
| 02:34.49 | deadcat | Hashar: firefox, xine, dillo, sometimes it just freeze for no fucking reason.. |
| 02:35.07 | gerardocb | How do i know what package installed a particular file? |
| 02:35.08 | Cyanophytes | dhruv: I can't get to change any files because I can't get the permissions to do so? |
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| 02:35.25 | gerardocb | Something like rpm -qf |
| 02:35.27 | Hashar | deadcat> it never freez before. the strange thing is that i can still move my mouse and winamp still works :p |
| 02:35.31 | deadcat | gerardocb: apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 02:35.45 | deadcat | gerardocb: we wouldnt know what -qf mean so no dice |
| 02:35.49 | Hashar | probably going to reinstall from scratch. would be easier than figuring out what s wrong |
| 02:35.56 | dbindner | gerardocb: dpkg -S file |
| 02:36.01 | deadcat | Hashar: ya. the mouse works. keyboard is dead. |
| 02:36.37 | gerardocb | That is... thank you, dbindner. |
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| 02:37.09 | Ph3NiX | Is there a debian rescue disk which can check my XFS filestructure or something? Sarge just started freezing at "checking 'hlt' instruction" at boot... :( |
| 02:37.13 | Cyanophytes | anyone know how to change my /etc/passwd file withought loging in as root |
| 02:37.25 | l1nux | :o |
| 02:37.31 | Hashar | Cyanophytes> use exploits / reboot using single |
| 02:37.35 | genix | mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx to mount NTFS partitions, right? |
| 02:37.43 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: you have to be UID 0 in order to modify that file. |
| 02:37.44 | Ph3NiX | correct genix |
| 02:37.54 | Ph3NiX | and the mount point |
| 02:37.56 | Ph3NiX | :) |
| 02:38.08 | Ph3NiX | so - mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /mnt/xxx |
| 02:38.16 | Ph3NiX | (or whatever folder you create for the mount point) |
| 02:38.32 | genix | Ph3NiX, I get "you do not have the permissions neccesary to view the content of mnt" |
| 02:38.34 | Cyanophytes | hashar: I have tried using the linux single command at the linux prompt |
| 02:38.55 | Ph3NiX | you have to be root |
| 02:38.58 | Ph3NiX | hmmm... |
| 02:38.59 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: if it's freezing at that point, you haven't even gotten to the filesystem yet. |
| 02:39.02 | genix | Ph3NiX, I am |
| 02:39.11 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: At lilo: linux init /bin/bash |
| 02:39.15 | Ph3NiX | i see, thanks dondelecaro! |
| 02:39.28 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: or is it lilo: linux init=/bin/bash |
| 02:39.32 | Ph3NiX | what else could I try!??! freaking out here.... :D |
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| 02:39.55 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: try a different kernel. If you see the same problem with a different kernel version, then odds are your processor is dying |
| 02:40.03 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: or something else really wierd is happening |
| 02:40.04 | Ph3NiX | 3Ghz 500Gb HD Nvidia 6800GT, and its completely useless at this point ;) |
| 02:40.11 | Cyanophytes | dbindner: ok thanks |
| 02:40.16 | Ph3NiX | its a new processor! |
| 02:40.22 | Ph3NiX | but has been working for the past week just fine |
| 02:40.29 | Ph3NiX | and no heat issues, temps were low |
| 02:40.34 | Cyanophytes | will that bypass my from having to enter root password? |
| 02:40.39 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: doesn't matter... processors sometimes have infantile failures. |
| 02:40.51 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: but try with a different kernel version just to see |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | (or try booting off of the install media) |
| 02:41.08 | Ph3NiX | hmmm.... Im uncertain how to install a new kernel without screwing my existing OS over |
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| 02:41.19 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: Yes. It won't start init, you'll just be dropped into a root shell. Make sure you remount readonly before you finish. |
| 02:41.29 | Ph3NiX | actually yes, i have bootable distros that work |
| 02:41.32 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: just boot off of the install disks... if that works, then you're ok |
| 02:41.36 | mozillagodzilla | Anyone here experienced with Debian for m68k? |
| 02:41.41 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: then your problem is with the kernel. |
| 02:41.44 | Ph3NiX | so i dont think its hardware :D HOPE anyway |
| 02:41.46 | Ph3NiX | coool... |
| 02:41.54 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: it's pretty much the same as all Debian, What's your question? |
| 02:42.11 | Cyanophytes | dbindner: will it mount my drive or will I have to mount it myself? |
| 02:42.19 | dondelelcaro | (well, with the caveat that it's rather slow, even if you've got a 68060 66) |
| 02:42.34 | mozillagodzilla | Well, I'm wondering some things about the m68k version... first, how much space does it consume? |
| 02:42.39 | Ph3NiX | how do you suggest I go about reinstalling the kernel without the system up? Does Debian have a rescue mode of some sort? |
| 02:42.44 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: Root will be mounted, and that's probably where /etc/password is. You'll have to remount rw to edit. |
| 02:42.47 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: depends what you install |
| 02:42.52 | Ph3NiX | (never used it yet, but have installed my own compiled kernels numerous times) |
| 02:43.06 | mozillagodzilla | I just want the minimum to get it running on my ol' Atari TT030/8 |
| 02:43.26 | Ph3NiX | and can I apt-get the kernel image??? or would this require a new compile? |
| 02:43.29 | Cyanophytes | dbindner: how do I mount to rw then back to ro? |
| 02:43.32 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: You may want to mount another filesystem (like /usr) to get a non-arcane editor. I have used 'ed' before. |
| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: boot off of the install media, mount the filesystem, chroot into it, and dpkg -i the kernel, then exit and unmount; (running lilo before exit if you're using lilo) |
| 02:43.46 | dbindner | Cyanophytes: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 02:43.48 | sparr_ | i enjoy netrek, bzflag, and enemy territory. can anyone recommend any other free games for me? |
| 02:43.52 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: then you just need base files. See the m68k install manual for more information. |
| 02:43.57 | Ph3NiX | thank you very much, am trying just that now |
| 02:43.58 | shakparl | xevil |
| 02:44.00 | brk_ | ?? is there any known bug with sarge running default gnome x whereby it will close the session (epiphany reports it as a crash) with any or all running: xchat, epiphany and/or a terminal session running |
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| 02:44.14 | dondelelcaro | brk_: if there is a known bug, it will be in the BTS. |
| 02:44.29 | mozillagodzilla | One more thing, dondelelcaro... Can it be installed directly from floppies, or should I just have it install from the HD? |
| 02:45.02 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: either/or |
| 02:45.15 | mozillagodzilla | 'kay. |
| 02:45.19 | brk_ | dondelcarlo: just asking if anyone is aware before diigiung deep, thanks. |
| 02:45.23 | mozillagodzilla | Thanks! |
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| 02:45.53 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: but check out the install manual. It'll explain all of the steps in great detail. |
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| 02:46.30 | mozillagodzilla | dondelelcaro, If I have problems, are you familiar with the Atari? |
| 02:46.43 | dondelelcaro | mozillagodzilla: no, but the debian-m68k@lists.debian.org list is |
| 02:46.50 | mozillagodzilla | dondelelcaro, Okay, thanks. |
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| 02:47.19 | vladster | XMMS broke and I can't seem to fix it |
| 02:47.23 | Luzhien | apt seen Mariele |
| 02:47.24 | apt | mariele <~Mariele@ool-4357d35f.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 114d 2h 4m 43s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 02:47.41 | vladster | I get the following errors |
| 02:47.48 | vladster | /usr/share/themes/Nuvola/gtk/gtkrc:313: error: unexpected identifier `xthickness ', expected character `}'Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
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| 02:47.58 | vladster | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so" |
| 02:48.04 | asg | vladster: what debian version are you running? |
| 02:48.09 | vladster | sarge |
| 02:48.20 | asg | vladster: have you recently updated that package? |
| 02:48.35 | vladster | latest version |
| 02:48.53 | asg | vladster: I mean, did it work before you updated to the latest package |
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| 02:49.12 | vladster | it was the updated version |
| 02:49.20 | dondelelcaro | !+find libsmooth.so sarge |
| 02:49.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libsmooth.so' (2): (/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libsmooth.so) in x11/gtk-engines-smooth ;; (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libsmooth.so) in x11/gtk2-engines-smooth. |
| 02:49.56 | dondelelcaro | !+find Nuvola/gtk |
| 02:50.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Nuvola/gtk' (1): (/usr/share/themes/Nuvola/gtk, /usr/share/themes/Nuvola/gtk-1.0/gtkrc, /usr/share/themes/Nuvola/gtk-2.0/{gtkrc|iconrc}) in gnome/gnome-themes-extras. |
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| 02:51.16 | Ph3NiX | Dondelelcaro: NooOooOO!!! Debian NetImage just locked at boot too!!! |
| 02:51.29 | Ph3NiX | And so did the bootable linux distro i just used today! |
| 02:51.40 | Ph3NiX | Does this indicate the CPU is fragged? |
| 02:51.42 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: eh, you've got a warranty on your CPU |
| 02:51.54 | dondelelcaro | Ph3NiX: probably |
| 02:51.58 | Ph3NiX | :) Well, fortunatley I still have a 2.4ghz ready to go |
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| 02:52.01 | cottus | or ram |
| 02:52.08 | asg | vladster: then downgrade to the previous version (/msg dpkg sdn (for where to get it)) and, if that fixes the problem, file a bug. |
| 02:52.20 | calin | it doesn't mean it's bad |
| 02:52.21 | Ph3NiX | its retail, so I think i do... |
| 02:52.22 | BadMan | dang directhx left.... |
| 02:52.23 | Ph3NiX | HOPE I do... |
| 02:52.24 | Ph3NiX | :) |
| 02:52.40 | brk_ | later |
| 02:52.48 | asg | BadMan: he's on a lot so you won't have to wait long (maybe a few hours or so) |
| 02:53.20 | BadMan | hehe.. well he cured my quake 3 problem but now I dont have sound from quakeforge hehe |
| 02:53.23 | BadMan | thanks asg |
| 02:53.34 | asg | BadMan: you're welcome |
| 02:53.38 | Ph3NiX | it locked at ACPI subsystem |
| 02:53.40 | BadMan | I love gigabit eithernet hehe |
| 02:53.44 | Ph3NiX | when booting Debian |
| 02:53.49 | asg | Ph3NiX: boot with acpi=off |
| 02:53.59 | asg | BadMan: yes, it's rather nice, I must admit |
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| 02:54.26 | Ph3NiX | cool, will try, but i used this with it on just fine |
| 02:54.30 | Ph3NiX | rebootin now |
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| 02:55.16 | vladster | /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libsmooth.so this is where it is located |
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| 02:55.48 | l1nux | night all :) |
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| 02:57.13 | dondelelcaro | possible that it's acpi... although, usually that hangs at a different point |
| 02:57.57 | Cyanophytes | dhruv: SUCCESS thank you |
| 02:57.57 | asg | dondelelcaro: either way, that will rule it out/in as a potential contribution to the issue. |
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| 03:00.20 | dhruv | Cyanophytes: congrats |
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| 03:00.36 | calin | Are there any IDE's for X that I can use with java? I did a bunch of apt-cache search's but I haven't found anything but motor, which doesn't work. |
| 03:00.57 | asg | calin: eclipse, netbeans |
| 03:01.32 | calin | thank you very much |
| 03:01.42 | mst | calin, xemacs |
| 03:01.42 | vladster | the down grade does not work either |
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| 03:01.44 | genix | After I have "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/" the permission is being changed on "/mnt/sda1" to dr-x------, why? |
| 03:01.50 | asg | calin: they will be in contrib (or you can download them from upstream) |
| 03:01.55 | john | Anybody know any good ftp servers to set up w/ debian? |
| 03:01.56 | calin | I usually use nano and compile by hane, but i'm getting lazy |
| 03:01.59 | dondelelcaro | genix: because that's the default umask |
| 03:02.06 | dondelelcaro | genix: /msg dpkg rontfs |
| 03:02.06 | calin | s/hane/hand* |
| 03:02.15 | asg | dondelelcaro: too many schools only teach programming in that context, sadly. |
| 03:02.20 | cottus | dondelelcaro> i use IDE in programming my microcontrollers |
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| 03:02.52 | dondelelcaro | cottus: you don't need one there either. |
| 03:03.05 | calin | Using an ide is convenient when you want to swap between many files quickly |
| 03:03.22 | genix | dondelelcaro, ok, and "chmod 755 /mnt/sda1/" is not changing this either |
| 03:03.23 | asg | calin: it's easy in vi/emacs too |
| 03:03.33 | dondelelcaro | genix: rather, read-ntfs |
| 03:03.38 | dbindner | calin: I use vim, which has :make. Not really and IDE but I like the minimal nature. |
| 03:03.42 | dondelelcaro | genix: no, it that won't change it at all. |
| 03:03.45 | calin | meh. I don't like vi/emacs |
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| 03:04.08 | dondelelcaro | calin: well, it's time to find one and start using a real editor. You will be happier that way in the long run. |
| 03:04.10 | calin | Sure they're powerful I guess, but I don't need all of those features. |
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| 03:04.26 | dbindner | calin: I didn't like vi at first, not until I learned the "spirit" of the editor. |
| 03:04.38 | calin | "spirit" eh? Waht 'spirit' is that? |
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| 03:04.46 | genix | dondelelcaro, so how do I read it "mount -t read-ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/"? |
| 03:04.48 | dondelelcaro | calin: you only think you don't need them... trust me, the first time you need to remove a whole line of columns and find out about rects you'll be sold. |
| 03:04.51 | dondelelcaro | genix: no. |
| 03:04.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell genix about read-ntfs |
| 03:05.09 | Ph3NiX | uhmmmm, should a P4 3Ghz Prescott be operating around 51C ??? |
| 03:05.13 | norculf | !tell norculf about balls |
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| 03:05.21 | dondelelcaro | genix: info coreutils file permisions; if the octals are unfamiliar |
| 03:05.26 | calin | dondelelcaro: but I never have to remove a column of text... |
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| 03:05.32 | dbindner | calin: There are a few patterns to the interface that happen over and over. To me they constitute the feel or spirit of vi. |
| 03:05.44 | dondelelcaro | calin: you clearly haven't been programming for long |
| 03:05.46 | norculf | Ph3NiX: yeah prescotts are very hot |
| 03:05.52 | xerophyte | I am trying to setup 2 apache server to access data server using some network file system, which is best file system i can use so i can loadbalance between servers ? |
| 03:06.03 | calin | dondelelcaro: COrrect, 3 years. I'm in high school. Heh. |
| 03:06.09 | dbindner | calin: I tried to express the spirit in a reference card: http://vh224401.truman.edu/~dbindner/mirror/ |
| 03:06.17 | Ph3NiX | thanks, I heard that too, but DAMN! 123 F is insane |
| 03:06.18 | Ph3NiX | :) |
| 03:06.20 | asg | xerophyte: NFS is a strong contender |
| 03:06.26 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: you don't want to use a network file system if you can avoid it |
| 03:06.54 | asg | xerophyte: though if the data do not change often, use rsync at regular intervals |
| 03:06.55 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: I'd suggest occasional rsyncs against a local repository if you can possibly do it. |
| 03:06.56 | calin | Ah, speaking about NFS, can windows mount it, and if not, are there ones that windows /can/ mount? |
| 03:07.07 | calin | eg. "map network drive" |
| 03:07.07 | asg | calin: PC/NFS |
| 03:07.21 | dondelelcaro | calin: usually it's better to just use samba to share the nfs drive |
| 03:07.24 | asg | calin: better to use Samba when doing anything where Windows is involved though |
| 03:07.27 | genix | All I want is to mount the ntfs partitions temporary when Debian is running, not on boot |
| 03:07.47 | genix | dondelelcaro, |
| 03:07.50 | pipeline | genix: mount -t ntfs <device> <mount point> |
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| 03:07.59 | dondelelcaro | genix: then use the options line in the fstab example when you're mounting the device. |
| 03:08.05 | dondelelcaro | genix: you won't be able to write to it, however. |
| 03:08.18 | genix | dondelelcaro, why? |
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| 03:08.32 | dondelelcaro | genix: because no one has published specifications to the NTFS file system. |
| 03:08.35 | kart_ | #flood /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:08.39 | calin | asg: can i use sambs to share a drive no matter the file system? |
| 03:08.50 | asg | calin: yes |
| 03:08.51 | genix | dondelelcaro, ok, that supprised me |
| 03:09.00 | calin | asg: thanks, this makes my decisions easier |
| 03:09.04 | dondelelcaro | genix: it's microsoft. Nothing should surprise you |
| 03:09.09 | asg | calin: provided the filesystem is supported by linux or BSD or whatever you are running samba on |
| 03:09.17 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, hmmm need to use network file system because the data changes . |
| 03:09.26 | Ph3NiX | WHAT THE!!!! |
| 03:09.32 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: it may change, but it shouldn't change often... |
| 03:09.34 | xerophyte | asg what do you think about coda over NFS .. i mean NFS vs coda |
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| 03:09.49 | Ph3NiX | I just powered it off (for the third time), but let it sit for 3-4 minutes. And now it boots right up no prob!! |
| 03:09.54 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: if it is changing all the time, perhaps having files is the totally wrong solution |
| 03:09.54 | asg | xerophyte: I've never used coda so I cannot say |
| 03:09.55 | genix | dondelelcaro, pipeline said "genix: mount -t ntfs <device> <mount point>" whats that for, that don't give me any permission |
| 03:09.56 | calin | asg: yeah, it is, haha |
| 03:10.09 | Ph3NiX | Uhmmmm, heat seems to be within range though |
| 03:10.12 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, the problem is this.. its ecommerce site and it has lots of html and database .. rsyn is slow on lots of files |
| 03:10.13 | dondelelcaro | genix: again, man mount, and use the options part of the fstab line that dpkg gave you. |
| 03:10.16 | calin | genix: man mount.ntfs |
| 03:10.24 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: it's not *that* slow |
| 03:10.25 | Ph3NiX | flakey hardware issues, grrrrr |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: it'll be a damn site faster than serving things over NFS |
| 03:10.42 | asg | xerophyte: and not slow on lots of files where only a few change infrequently |
| 03:10.45 | dondelelcaro | s/site/sight/ |
| 03:10.50 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, we do backup with rsyn it takes years because lots of files |
| 03:10.59 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: what filesystem is this? |
| 03:11.25 | C17H21NO4 | Ph3NiX: I had a similar issue with a bad fan in the PSU. |
| 03:11.30 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, ext3 |
| 03:11.40 | Ph3NiX | no doubt. its brand new, but im tearing off the case right nwo |
| 03:11.42 | Ph3NiX | now |
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| 03:11.49 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: is this a crappy network? I regularly move thosands of files around with rsync. Hell, the Debian mirror system uses it all the time, and the mirrors push *DATA* |
| 03:11.49 | gobo | well |
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| 03:11.53 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, normaly tar takes way less time then rsyn on lots of iles |
| 03:11.54 | gobo | I got gobolinux going |
| 03:11.55 | gobo | :) |
| 03:11.56 | genix | calin, "No manual entry for mount.ntfs" |
| 03:12.05 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: meh? no it doesn't. |
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| 03:12.12 | BillBob | Howdy! |
| 03:12.14 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: tar copies *everything* rsync does not. |
| 03:12.18 | gobo | now to figure out how to make the xwindows reso finer |
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| 03:12.33 | asg | gobo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:12.34 | cottus | gobo> using xfree? |
| 03:12.35 | WillWonka | hello |
| 03:12.36 | calin | genix: lemme check mine |
| 03:12.37 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, true but rsyn takes y ears to start because it need to check all the files and stuff trust me |
| 03:12.39 | gary | Can anyone recommend any programs that can backup dvds, at least ripping the files to hard drive |
| 03:12.41 | BillBob | rsync?? Did I hear rsync? I have a quick question.... |
| 03:12.52 | cottus | gary> backup-kungfu |
| 03:12.59 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, may be i am using it wrong but it does takes long hours to rsync all the files i mean the different |
| 03:13.04 | cottus | gary> talk to moonie in ##mandrake |
| 03:13.14 | C17H21NO4 | gary: dvdrip |
| 03:13.17 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: no it doesn't. Again, we use it all the time. Unless your network is crap, it shouldn't be a big deal. It'll definetly be much faster than NFS either way. However, if you don't want to take my advice, that's fine. |
| 03:13.19 | BillBob | I need to rsync a set of files from a server, and then delete them from the server.... --delete only deletes on the recieving side... |
| 03:13.21 | BillBob | any ideas? |
| 03:13.22 | Ph3NiX | fan seems good, Prescott cpu is down to 45C sinec the case is off |
| 03:13.41 | dondelelcaro | BillBob: ssh in afterwords and delete the filess |
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| 03:13.51 | genix | pipeline, have you ever mounted an nfts fs? |
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| 03:14.00 | BillBob | dondelelcaro: I was hoping that wasn't the way.. :) |
| 03:14.01 | gary | thanks cottus C17H21NO4 |
| 03:14.07 | BillBob | k, I'll go that route.. |
| 03:14.08 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, hmmm |
| 03:14.21 | pipeline | genix: Yes. |
| 03:14.23 | Ph3NiX | plenty of thermal grease at install too, I think my CPU is fine... it froze at 'ACPI subsystem' earlier, Motherboard possibly... |
| 03:14.57 | pipeline | genix: By default, you must be a privileged user to make filesystem mounts. To change that, you can make an fstab entry with "user,noauto,ro" in the options section. |
| 03:15.01 | gary | Can someone please tell me what the permissions and ownership of /tmp should be ? |
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| 03:15.06 | dondelelcaro | BillBob: it's not really a big deal, because you can always find . |xargs rm -f; the same files that the rsync job would have matched. |
| 03:15.11 | cwood | gary: rwxrwxrwt |
| 03:15.19 | gary | what is t ? |
| 03:15.28 | gary | temp? |
| 03:15.43 | calin | happy red haired potato farming angry drunk guy day! |
| 03:15.50 | cwood | See 'man chmod' under 'STICKY DIRECTORIES'. |
| 03:15.54 | dbindner | gary: It's a sticky bit. It means I can't delete your files. |
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| 03:16.31 | gary | ah right |
| 03:16.36 | BillBob | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but I'm building a file list, I rsync the dir, wait 5 secs, then go get those files, so I don't try to get a file mid transfer |
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| 03:16.48 | gary | my system seems to have a lot of sticky bits |
| 03:17.00 | gary | particularly /home/gary/pr0n/ |
| 03:17.13 | BillBob | I'll figure it out... if nothing else I'll ssh and have a huge rm list... :) |
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| 03:17.51 | genix | pipeline, So I have to do like this: 1. update fstab "/dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" 2. reboot (or update fstab which I don't know how to do) 3. "mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1/" ? |
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| 03:18.50 | busboy | hello, i want to setup a wired-wireless-wired network, any ideas what i need to set this up? |
| 03:18.57 | pipeline | genix: It updates instantly. You want "noauto" if you don't want it to come up at boot. |
| 03:19.01 | Meisterc | does anyone know a thing or two about mozplugger ? |
| 03:19.16 | pipeline | genix: Assuming your fstab isn't mangled in some way, you should be able to just "mount /mnt/hdd1" |
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| 03:20.08 | asg | dondelelcaro: good job on the debate the other night by the way |
| 03:20.37 | pylons | hello all |
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| 03:22.04 | BadMan | man I cant find my WAP via its net work ip hehe |
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| 03:22.26 | genix | pipeline, how do I know what gid and uid I should use? |
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| 03:22.33 | Gnurdux | is there a debian package of ESP Ghostscript? |
| 03:22.50 | asg | Gnurdux: gs-esp |
| 03:22.59 | Gnurdux | ok thnx |
| 03:23.00 | pipeline | genix: look at /etc/passwd and find the uid for "nobody" |
| 03:23.06 | Gnurdux | in testing or jsut unstable? |
| 03:23.16 | asg | !info gs-esp sarge |
| 03:23.19 | dpkg | gs-esp: (The Ghostscript PostScript interpreter - ESP version), section text, is optional. Version: 7.07.1-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 2707 kB, Installed size: 12008 kB |
| 03:23.22 | Gnurdux | oh thnx |
| 03:23.23 | asg | Gnurdux: both |
| 03:23.38 | dondelelcaro | asg: I didn't really do much... madduck and helen did most of the work. |
| 03:23.55 | asg | dondelelcaro: still, a good team effort |
| 03:24.00 | pylons | hello |
| 03:24.10 | dondelelcaro | asg: thanks |
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| 03:24.14 | asg | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 03:24.22 | Gnurdux | yay it works! |
| 03:24.45 | pylons | hello can anybody hear me? |
| 03:24.49 | asg | pylons: yes |
| 03:24.57 | pylons | ah, ok |
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| 03:25.13 | genix | pipeline, and ghe gid? |
| 03:25.39 | Meisterc | I used mozplugger with firefox and I'm not able to save a file ..instead the mozplugger decides to hand it over to the application that is assigned to it. I tried commenting out the app, but it didn't help. I would like to "enable" save as.. so that I could actually save the file (I know it can be done because I've done this before I installed mozplugger) |
| 03:25.55 | Meisterc | any ideas ? or where can I ask this type of question..I googled to no avail. |
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| 03:26.30 | pipeline | genix: Doesn't matter |
| 03:26.35 | mwilson | Meisterc: Uh, why wouldn't you just use curl or wget to save the file? |
| 03:26.40 | dbindner | Meisterc: I think I removed the plugin from the plugins directory, started mozilla, stopped it, put the plugin back, started mozilla and all was good. |
| 03:26.40 | asg | Meisterc: check the file type actions in preferences -> Downloads |
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| 03:26.59 | genix | pipeline, nobody:x:ISTHISTHEGID:ISTHISTHEUID:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh? |
| 03:27.21 | asg | genix: UID first, GID second |
| 03:27.22 | pylons | I got a question regarding sound on a es1688 for anybody that has a second |
| 03:27.23 | mathieu | how would i crawl a website recursively and print it using basic unix tools from the command line ? |
| 03:27.36 | asg | mathieu: wget |
| 03:27.39 | mathieu | up to now i have wget -r -O /dev/stdout |
| 03:27.39 | Meisterc | asg: associations are not there.. |
| 03:27.39 | genix | asg, ok |
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| 03:27.43 | vladster | /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3: undefined symbol: tld_strerror Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! I changed the desktop themes and the other error is gone but this is the one that hangs it |
| 03:27.48 | pipeline | genix: Yup. And it's the same on every Debian system for the "nobody" account. "nobody" is the opposite of root: an account with no privileges. |
| 03:28.00 | mathieu | asg: yeah but now how do i send to printer formated in a way that mozilla might format the pages ?> |
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| 03:28.07 | asg | Meisterc: oh, then I don't know. |
| 03:28.22 | vladster | could this be a versioning problem? |
| 03:28.23 | Meisterc | dbindner: I use mozplugger (apt-get installed it) |
| 03:28.24 | asg | mathieu: |lpr |
| 03:28.25 | cfaun | apt avocado |
| 03:28.26 | apt | somebody said avocado was a food that 43.6% of american families buy (source: california avocado board) |
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| 03:29.14 | mathieu | asg: sure but lpr will print the strait html |
| 03:29.21 | mathieu | asg: i want rendered html |
| 03:29.26 | asg | mathieu: sorry, I misread your intent |
| 03:29.33 | vladster | this happens everytime I try to start XMMS |
| 03:29.36 | Meisterc | The website uses PHP link to the actual file I'm trying to get (so clicking on save link as doesn't work - since it wants to save the .php file instead of what I need) |
| 03:29.42 | dbindner | Meisterc: Yeah, but I think you can still find the actual file and play the game I described. After you put it back, it'll reread its setup file. |
| 03:29.42 | asg | mathieu: use html2ps or similar in the pipeline |
| 03:29.49 | mathieu | asg: nice |
| 03:30.00 | N-MAN | hello hello! |
| 03:30.02 | N-MAN | :) |
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| 03:30.52 | genix | pipeline, and thats why I add the nobody uid in fstab, because only the root should have permissions? |
| 03:30.57 | cfaun | window 3 |
| 03:31.26 | pipeline | genix: By giving it to nobody, you ensure that everyone has permissions. |
| 03:31.30 | pipeline | sort of |
| 03:31.39 | cfaun | s/trafic/traffic/; |
| 03:31.42 | pipeline | genix: nobody is the opposite of root, the least powerful account. |
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| 03:32.49 | vladster | I eat a lot of avacados myself |
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| 03:32.54 | vladster | Try one on whole wheat with sprouts and mayo |
| 03:32.57 | vladster | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! |
| 03:32.57 | parsec_- | nagios isnt sending out notiications properly and i cant figure it out.. |
| 03:32.58 | parsec_- | any ideas? |
| 03:32.59 | pylons | here is the deal, I installed an ess1688 with alsaconf, and everything seems fine. I see it with lsmod, got good information under /proc/asound and I get feedback if I crank up the volumen of the microfone with the alsamixer, mplayer detects card but gets stuck and no sound comes out |
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| 03:33.51 | vladster | would compiling and installing XMMS from source fix this bug? |
| 03:34.05 | calin | vladster: which bug? |
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| 03:34.25 | calin | nevermind found it |
| 03:34.41 | vladster | see what I meen |
| 03:34.41 | genix | pipeline, And that means that any user can mount the ntfs disk? |
| 03:35.08 | calin | it's a problem with curl, not xmms |
| 03:35.17 | genix | pipeline, or just access it after root has mounted it? |
| 03:35.20 | calin | have you apt-get update apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:35.31 | vladster | not yet |
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| 03:35.36 | calin | try it |
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| 03:36.50 | raam | anyone here use xfm? |
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| 03:37.12 | Vme | yo |
| 03:37.19 | vladster | not yetthis will take awhile |
| 03:37.26 | Vme | is there a command to tell you what CPU you have running?? |
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| 03:37.38 | zignig | Vme: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:37.41 | Vme | right on |
| 03:37.42 | Vme | thx |
| 03:37.47 | vladster | calin: I take it curl is broken than |
| 03:37.49 | appaji | Vme: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:37.53 | vladster | then |
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| 03:38.25 | calin | vladster: didn't fix it? |
| 03:38.54 | vladster | this is not a quick fix, 311 megs are needed for the update |
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| 03:39.08 | deadcat | my system still has some exim config files but i've repalced with postfix. how can apt-get remove all the shits? |
| 03:39.19 | chealer | deadcat: urge it |
| 03:39.20 | asg | deadcat: dpkg -P <shits> |
| 03:39.21 | appaji | deadcat: apt-get remove --purge |
| 03:39.22 | chealer | purge |
| 03:39.27 | vladster | and I am hoping nothing else gets broken |
| 03:39.37 | deadcat | appaji: its already removed. |
| 03:39.55 | deadcat | asg: thanks (= |
| 03:40.13 | deadcat | cant purge when the package is already uninstalled. |
| 03:40.15 | vladster | this thing is turning into Sid |
| 03:40.34 | asg | deadcat: dpkg -l | grep ^rc (will list packages that were removed but not purged.) |
| 03:40.54 | deadcat | asg: ya |
| 03:41.51 | calin | vladster: heh, dooom. Maybe you should update/upgrade more often, i do it about 1-2 times a week |
| 03:41.52 | genix | What is gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222? I read that I should add them in fstag for mounting a ntfs fs, but do not have a clue what they are for |
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| 03:42.03 | genix | fstab* |
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| 03:42.38 | MastrYoda | I'm about to install debian-sarge on my desktop..but I don't want to touch the /home partition. |
| 03:42.42 | MastrYoda | I want it to stay intact. |
| 03:42.44 | calin | gid == group id, uid == user id, fmask == file mask, dmask == directory mask |
| 03:42.49 | MastrYoda | Anyone have any tips what I should look for.. |
| 03:42.54 | calin | yes, back it up |
| 03:42.55 | MastrYoda | Like a special option. |
| 03:43.02 | MastrYoda | yea, I did most of the important stuff. |
| 03:43.06 | MastrYoda | But it's 160 gigs |
| 03:43.09 | MastrYoda | So I can't do everything. |
| 03:43.10 | calin | O_O |
| 03:43.16 | genix | MastrYoda, Thanks Yoda =) |
| 03:43.16 | asg | MastrYoda: when you partition, make sure the installer leaves /home alone |
| 03:43.29 | MastrYoda | asg, haha |
| 03:43.29 | vladster | thirteen minutes to go |
| 03:43.30 | MastrYoda | thanks? |
| 03:43.34 | Phated | Just don't remove it when partitioning. |
| 03:43.36 | MastrYoda | I know that. |
| 03:43.47 | MastrYoda | Any _specific_ option/setting. |
| 03:44.04 | asg | MastrYoda: the installer will allow you to tag partitions during the 'partitioning' phase as ones that should be left untouched. |
| 03:44.14 | MastrYoda | k |
| 03:44.15 | MastrYoda | thanks |
| 03:44.20 | MastrYoda | wish me luck |
| 03:44.24 | genix | MastrYoda, Last time I didn't touch it under the partitioning |
| 03:44.28 | genix | MastrYoda, wait |
| 03:44.32 | MastrYoda | k |
| 03:44.50 | genix | MastrYoda, But the /home was rewritten anyway |
| 03:44.56 | MastrYoda | hmm |
| 03:45.09 | vladster | I just hate to see what happens when I have to upgrade the mobo |
| 03:45.19 | genix | MastrYoda, and it was a separate parition |
| 03:45.25 | calin | vladster: heh, like i said, do this more often |
| 03:45.27 | MastrYoda | yea, mine is seperate also. |
| 03:45.34 | MastrYoda | I have /boot /home / and a swap |
| 03:45.40 | genix | MastrYoda, that I DID NOT touch |
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| 03:45.51 | asg | MastrYoda: what are you currently running? |
| 03:45.56 | MastrYoda | Fedora Core 3 |
| 03:46.01 | calin | vladster: curl was upgraded recently, by the way. |
| 03:46.07 | asg | MastrYoda: oh, okay |
| 03:46.07 | genix | MastrYoda, This was in Sarge 3.1 RC 2 |
| 03:46.09 | MastrYoda | I've been using redhat since Redhat 9 |
| 03:46.10 | calin | vladster: within the last few days |
| 03:46.13 | raam | has anyone here used/use Xfm file manager? |
| 03:46.15 | vladster | this is turning into Sid/sarge rather than Sarge /sid |
| 03:46.19 | MastrYoda | yea, I got the sarge net install cd |
| 03:46.22 | MastrYoda | i386 |
| 03:46.24 | asg | raam: probably |
| 03:46.41 | MastrYoda | I've seen debian's installer before, I think it's pretty easy. |
| 03:46.48 | MastrYoda | I can't remember about leaving a partition though. |
| 03:46.51 | genix | MastrYoda, Just make a backup off /home and try it anyway |
| 03:46.54 | MastrYoda | I just wanted to double check before I did it. |
| 03:47.00 | genix | MastrYoda, and see what's happening |
| 03:47.01 | MastrYoda | yea, I backed up what I could. |
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| 03:47.39 | asg | MastrYoda: it will give you a summary of what it is going to do before it does something destructive, just make sure to sit on your hands until you have read the summary. |
| 03:47.40 | genix | MastrYoda, but don't expect you anything... |
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| 03:48.02 | MastrYoda | k |
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| 03:48.47 | genix | MastrYoda, I wish you good luck anyway, msg me if all went ok |
| 03:49.35 | kiowas | when I try to use netselect-apt, it says it cant find a mirror and Im probably behind a firewall that is blocking traceroute. I tried turning off the "block anonymous internet requests" feature on my router and even turning on DMZ but it still doesnt work. anyone got any ideas other than connecting to the internet directly? |
| 03:50.05 | asg | kiowas: did you install traceroute and verify that traceroute is, in fact, being blocked? |
| 03:50.29 | MastrYoda | Well thanks for the info/tips.... |
| 03:50.31 | genix | kiowas, use NAT instead then |
| 03:50.36 | MastrYoda | My burning will be done in a minute. |
| 03:50.40 | MastrYoda | I'll see you guys on the other side. |
| 03:50.44 | vladster | six minutes to go on the download |
| 03:50.54 | kiowas | asac, traceroute times out even on the first hop. so I suppose it is blocked |
| 03:51.05 | Cyanophytes | anyone know how to make a paralell port zip drive accesible by all users |
| 03:51.24 | kiowas | errr |
| 03:51.31 | kiowas | asg |
| 03:51.52 | genix | kiowas, presumably, Try NAT instead |
| 03:52.00 | CyzarX | http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <-==== how can i get this using apt-get ??? |
| 03:52.11 | vladster | this is risky, the nvidia file has changed |
| 03:52.15 | asg | CyzarX: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 03:52.36 | kiowas | genix, what do you mean try nat? I only have the one router |
| 03:52.51 | pulu | does anyone know if there's a debian kernel package that supports the a320raid module? 2.6? |
| 03:53.03 | pulu | with sarge, sorry |
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| 03:53.55 | genix | kiowas, http://linas.org/linux/load.html |
| 03:54.35 | pylons | hm |
| 03:55.30 | FieldySnuts | heh. no. |
| 03:55.31 | pylons | wth? |
| 03:55.34 | kiowas | genix, how does that relate to my problem |
| 03:55.45 | ApEtc | f1shhead: I hope you mean 4 megs on the video card. ;) |
| 03:56.24 | pylons | maybe with the old msdos citrix client :-) |
| 03:56.48 | f1shhead | nope |
| 03:56.54 | vladster | this is risky, the nvidia file has changed |
| 03:57.01 | genix | kiowas, I was having exacly the same problem with my router, but with NAT everything went ok |
| 03:57.45 | kiowas | oh |
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| 03:58.30 | peterS | hey, happy mi11en1um, everybody, exactly two hours late |
| 03:58.56 | RichiH | peterS: yay |
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| 03:59.27 | genix | kiowas, It's sheaper and better then a router |
| 03:59.34 | aardvark | !test |
| 03:59.35 | dpkg | No, aardvark, you're not online any more. |
| 03:59.36 | asg | peterS: better late than never |
| 03:59.45 | peterS | although why anybody would want to celebrate 0x423a35c7 seconds is a good question |
| 03:59.56 | peterS | asg: yeah, I was unavoidably afk for the big event (: |
| 04:00.09 | kiowas | its cheaper only if your time is worthless (or if youve already done it before and it only takes you 5 minutes). |
| 04:00.13 | asg | peterS: me as well |
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| 04:00.47 | genix | kiowas, it take 5 minutes even if you have not done it before |
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| 04:01.30 | dondelelcaro | f1shhead: have at it, but ponder that elsewhere. |
| 04:01.36 | Xenguy | f1shhead: good idea =) |
| 04:01.44 | kiowas | Ive done enough configuration for today. thanks anyway |
| 04:01.45 | f1shhead | dondel don't be a purist asshole |
| 04:01.53 | Xenguy | f1shhead: bye |
| 04:01.54 | f1shhead | it was not a slap against linux you dimwit |
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| 04:02.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@c-24-3-15-166.client.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:02.00 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:02.05 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 04:02.10 | genix | kiowas, the only thing that takes time is to configure a firewall, ip_tables is inbuilt in Debian |
| 04:02.18 | Xenguy | couldn't see that coming a mile away :P |
| 04:02.26 | peterS | Xenguy: indeed |
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| 04:03.31 | dysangelium | hi |
| 04:03.38 | zeeble | hi. |
| 04:03.53 | vladster | k3b may have been fixed |
| 04:03.59 | dysangelium | how do i setup modpython to work on apache? |
| 04:04.22 | dondelelcaro | dysangelium: you install it and load it... |
| 04:04.26 | tovella | vladster: fixed what? |
| 04:04.38 | dysangelium | how do i load it? |
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| 04:05.01 | ggl_6 | anyone know of a good webmail script? |
| 04:05.06 | dondelelcaro | dysangelium: it actually should be loaded automatically, but if not, you LoadModule /path/to/modpython.so |
| 04:05.08 | asg | dysangelium: apt-get install libapache-mod-python |
| 04:05.13 | FieldySnuts | "good" and "webmail" are mutually exclusive" |
| 04:05.15 | calin | ggl_6: yes, i do, iloha mail |
| 04:05.20 | FieldySnuts | s/e\"/e/ |
| 04:05.22 | ggl_6 | hehehe |
| 04:05.26 | calin | uses pop3 OR imap |
| 04:05.28 | asg | FieldySnuts: squirrelmail isn't bad (at least it's hackable) |
| 04:05.29 | peterS | FieldySnuts: not a gmail fan, then? |
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| 04:05.40 | zeeble | ggl_6: Squirrelmail. Horde. |
| 04:05.41 | peterS | FieldySnuts: many have said gmail is the only webmail that doesn't suck. me, I have no idea, I haven't tried it |
| 04:05.43 | kiowas | fishynet, I dont think win95b is gonna run on 4mb of ram. that thing took an hour to load on 16mb, youd be waiting all day on 4 |
| 04:06.01 | FieldySnuts | never used gmail, so I don't know, but what I do know is all the people who before were running around throwing invites around got extremely annoying, here, on mailing lists, etc |
| 04:06.02 | Agrajag- | ggl_6: yeah squirrelmail is quite decent |
| 04:06.10 | asg | kiowas: it does, I installed win95 on a 486/33 with 4meg (and slackware as well) |
| 04:06.13 | FieldySnuts | i run my own servers so don't really give a shit |
| 04:06.20 | calin | iloha mail works nicely |
| 04:06.22 | ggl_6 | guys thanks for all the suggestions i'll look into them |
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| 04:06.39 | zignig | has anybody else use a dlink 302G adsl modem. |
| 04:06.40 | zignig | ? |
| 04:06.47 | calin | FieldySnuts: I run my own servers also, =], yay for free unlimited pop3 access space, and no file attachment limits! |
| 04:06.48 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a language war |
| 04:06.49 | kiowas | asg, and how long does it take to boot up? I remember going out for lunch while the pc booted back in the win95 days |
| 04:06.49 | ravenbird | COBOL is more readable than Oberon |
| 04:06.59 | vladster | I should not have to reboot to see these changes right/ |
| 04:07.00 | asg | peterS: some flash javascript hackage and everyone goes ... OooooO, a new pleasure, a new pleasure! |
| 04:07.23 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:07.26 | asg | kiowas: it took a bit (we did run the bbs on it for a while though) |
| 04:07.37 | dysangelium | asg: dondelelcaro: i apt-geted it already, i just can't get any python script to run |
| 04:07.41 | tovella | vladster: what was fixed in k3b? |
| 04:07.43 | FieldySnuts | exim[19783]: 2005-03-17 23:05:02 1DC8jJ-00004q-BW ** winfred@reggaeemail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<winfred@reggaeemail.com>: host sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.51]: 550 Recipient Rejected: Excessive resource consumption |
| 04:07.43 | peterS | asg: webapps with *keybindings* are surprisingly rare, it seems. that's one thing people who hate webmail liked about it |
| 04:07.48 | FieldySnuts | there's a new one on me. go exim |
| 04:07.54 | vladster | not sure yet |
| 04:08.01 | dondelelcaro | dysangelium: ah, as far as that part, maybe try asking #python? |
| 04:08.13 | zignig | FieldySnuts: heh , takin up too much of my time , piss off .... :) |
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| 04:08.26 | dysangelium | dysangelium: ok |
| 04:08.36 | vladster | ' |
| 04:08.37 | asg | peterS: yes, the keybindings are a nice feature, but I think the web is not the best vehicle for such things. |
| 04:08.47 | asg | FieldySnuts: teergrubing? |
| 04:08.59 | zignig | asg: XUL perhaps ? |
| 04:08.59 | dysangelium | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 04:09.02 | FieldySnuts | zignig: they tried to send over 200 mails to one account, is why (a non-existant account) |
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| 04:09.04 | tovella | vladster: how could that fix a problem that doesn't exist? |
| 04:09.17 | tovella | vladster: that = they. |
| 04:09.21 | joaopaulo | need i x-window-system-dev to build gnome with garnome ? |
| 04:09.24 | peterS | asg: one thing I found amusing about gmail was how my ISP increased everybody's mail quota to 2 GB shortly after gmail debuted |
| 04:09.26 | asg | zignig: still a hack on an infrastructure that wasn't designed for such things. |
| 04:09.27 | FieldySnuts | asg: you know it's been a really long time since I heard of that, what is it again? |
| 04:09.27 | vladster | could not get vcd tools to work |
| 04:09.33 | tovella | ahh. |
| 04:09.33 | asg | peterS: hehe |
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| 04:10.06 | asg | FieldySnuts: slowing down mailers during the SMTP transaction when they appear to be spammers (German for tar-pitting) |
| 04:10.25 | FieldySnuts | asg: ah. I don't know, exim just seemed to think a host was abusing it |
| 04:10.32 | dysangelium | dondelelcaro: just one more thing btw.. modpython must have been properly configured to work when i apt-geted it, right? |
| 04:10.41 | zignig | asg: I only use webmail when I have no other MUA available. |
| 04:10.46 | asg | FieldySnuts: well, that's more a function of SA than exim. |
| 04:10.48 | FieldySnuts | I see an attempted spam email try on my mta at least once every 3 seconds, often much much more |
| 04:10.59 | dondelelcaro | dysangelium: in general, yes. Assuming the module got added to /etc/apache/modules.conf; and apache was restarted, everything should be peachy |
| 04:11.00 | FieldySnuts | i wish i could strangle/sue them |
| 04:11.08 | asg | zignig: I understand. |
| 04:11.17 | dysangelium | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 04:11.24 | zignig | FieldySnuts: strangle.... more pain , less lawyers. ..... : ) |
| 04:11.26 | asg | FieldySnuts: just blacklist them. |
| 04:11.28 | dysangelium | thanks everyone |
| 04:11.32 | peterS | FieldySnuts: I hope you don't use per-user blacklists at SMTP time to do rejects. someone just got a patent on that. |
| 04:11.48 | FieldySnuts | asg: it's far more difficult, it's automated spammers constantly hammering it coming from all over the world |
| 04:12.00 | FieldySnuts | peterS: I couldn't possibly manage it anyway |
| 04:12.01 | asg | FieldySnuts: it is tough, I know. |
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| 04:12.16 | FieldySnuts | my fucking exim logs range anywhere from 25 - 200 MB a day |
| 04:12.18 | FieldySnuts | fucking assholes |
| 04:12.19 | calin | FieldySnuts: you have a static IP, yes? |
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| 04:12.23 | asg | peterS: when was the patent filed? |
| 04:12.27 | peterS | asg: 2000 |
| 04:12.29 | vladster | fixed it |
| 04:12.36 | calin | vladster: see? |
| 04:12.37 | FieldySnuts | anyway done ranting, sleep time bye |
| 04:12.38 | calin | =] |
| 04:12.41 | asg | peterS: I'm quite sure that there is prior art for that. |
| 04:12.44 | calin | FieldySnuts: wait |
| 04:12.48 | calin | FieldySnuts: you have a static IP, yes? |
| 04:12.49 | FieldySnuts | no. |
| 04:12.52 | calin | no? |
| 04:12.52 | FieldySnuts | no to waiting. |
| 04:12.55 | FieldySnuts | go away |
| 04:12.55 | peterS | asg: I'm quite sure too. but I don't care enough to look into it |
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| 04:13.04 | calin | i was going to say, you could ask to have it changed |
| 04:13.05 | asg | peterS: true |
| 04:13.20 | FieldySnuts | i'm on a business line with my own block of static ips. they're mine. i know where you're going, trust me i'm aware. |
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| 04:13.25 | vladster | tnx |
| 04:13.39 | calin | FieldySnuts: okay then, sux |
| 04:13.52 | asg | peterS: if they come after us, we'll just claim they are 'off-white lists' |
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| 04:14.13 | peterS | asg: actually I read part of the patent, it actually seemed to be a whitelist rather than a blacklist |
| 04:14.14 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:14.34 | genix | dondelelcaro, are you sure it's "users" as dpkg told (I can only see that "user" is used in fstab) |
| 04:14.35 | peterS | asg: anyway, apparently if you share your list between different users on a system you won't infringe |
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| 04:14.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart lilo_ |
| 04:14.53 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 04:15.17 | dondelelcaro | genix: it should be user, yes. |
| 04:15.25 | asg | peterS: ah, though that makes no sense. |
| 04:15.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: read-nfts =~ s/users/user/ |
| 04:15.30 | genix | dondelelcaro, then dpkg is wrong |
| 04:15.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'read-nfts' to modify |
| 04:15.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: ntfs |
| 04:16.08 | genix | dondelelcaro, "dondelelcaro wants you to know: add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab" |
| 04:16.29 | genix | dondelelcaro, ro,user not ro,users, right? |
| 04:16.35 | dondelelcaro | genix: yes. |
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| 04:18.08 | Meisterc | Thanx for help dbindner ! |
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| 04:19.07 | raghu | to change from debian stable to tetsing ..i have replaced word stable with testing in sources.list and i am going to run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade is it okay? |
| 04:19.19 | dondelelcaro | raghu: yes. |
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| 04:19.33 | raghu | thats all i have to do or anything else? |
| 04:19.37 | dondelelcaro | raghu: that's it. |
| 04:19.39 | deadcat | raghu: ya |
| 04:19.50 | dondelelcaro | raghu: you may have to run apt-get dist-upgrade; multiple times, but that's the basic jist of it |
| 04:19.55 | Meisterc | same for testing --> unstable |
| 04:20.02 | pylons | bye all |
| 04:20.04 | mortal__ | can anyone tell me how to handle spaces within shell scripts (spaces in the paths) |
| 04:20.15 | C17H21NO4 | mortal__: quotes |
| 04:20.22 | pylons | mortal use quotes or \ |
| 04:20.25 | Meisterc | \/ |
| 04:20.33 | FieldySnuts | V |
| 04:20.34 | raghu | dondelelcaro: thx....and also ...there is no fera of breaking packages? |
| 04:20.44 | raghu | deadcat: thx |
| 04:20.44 | mortal__ | yeah, but see I'm using the output of one command for the input of another |
| 04:20.47 | peterS | lol done wrong! |
| 04:20.50 | deadcat | raghu: not on testing. |
| 04:21.16 | deadcat | mortal__: example |
| 04:21.27 | inviso | related question... is it possible to run testing, but pull a few packages in from unstable? Or is it a "one or the other" sort of thing? |
| 04:21.28 | travisat | \l\o\l |
| 04:21.31 | mortal__ | for i in `slocate -i $1`; do rm -Rv $i; |
| 04:21.39 | raghu | Meisterc: thx |
| 04:21.43 | deadcat | mortal__: | xargs |
| 04:21.53 | Meisterc | raghu: did it work ? |
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| 04:22.02 | deadcat | mortal__: or rm "$i" |
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| 04:22.03 | crackhead | hello everyone :) |
| 04:22.15 | crackhead | anyone with any experience using the sarge installer? |
| 04:22.15 | travisat | hello crackhead |
| 04:22.20 | Meisterc | inviso: There may be dependency problems |
| 04:22.22 | zeeble | inviso: check out apt-preferences and read up about apt-pinning |
| 04:22.23 | kart_ | crackhead: hi |
| 04:22.28 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 04:22.28 | M4hd1 | hi, how do i grant permission to a user to use mysql (users can read dbs but not create new ones) |
| 04:22.28 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:22.32 | deadcat | crackhead: put the cd in and boot and press ok |
| 04:22.33 | M4hd1 | ? |
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| 04:22.38 | crackhead | hehehe |
| 04:22.40 | zeeble | crackhead: as in? you boot from it and install. |
| 04:22.40 | Meisterc | deadcat: buehehe |
| 04:22.43 | mortal__ | deadcat: I tried "$i" ... something wierd happened |
| 04:22.44 | Redwraith111 | Hey All |
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| 04:22.46 | inviso | zeeble: cool, will do :) |
| 04:22.50 | mortal__ | lemme repeat the processes |
| 04:22.53 | Redwraith111 | Can anyone help me out with some debian questions? |
| 04:23.02 | zeeble | Redwraith111: ask . |
| 04:23.03 | deadcat | mortal__: the find command has -exec |
| 04:23.05 | pylons | lol... |
| 04:23.07 | inviso | M4hd1: ask in #mysql |
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| 04:23.14 | raghu | Meisterc: just trying let me check...its a remote machine hosted by hosting afraid to do some thing...last time i did server packages broke...lol |
| 04:23.16 | Redwraith111 | Well, I just installed debian got sound and printing working (thank god) |
| 04:23.25 | Meisterc | hehe |
| 04:23.26 | crackhead | well.....I wanted to set up software raid and I'm having trouble figuring it out. I want raid 0..what do I set the drives to |
| 04:23.28 | Redwraith111 | But Gnome is sloooowwwwwwww and firefox hangs just about all the time |
| 04:23.31 | Meisterc | that's not good ;) |
| 04:23.31 | raghu | Meisterc: then reinstalled OS |
| 04:23.33 | crackhead | physical or logical |
| 04:23.38 | crackhead | set boot flag? |
| 04:23.44 | zeeble | raghu: you want to run unstable on a production machine? |
| 04:23.44 | crackhead | i have 2 drives |
| 04:23.53 | FieldySnuts | zeeble: heh |
| 04:24.10 | mortal__ | deadcat: I fear the find |
| 04:24.11 | Redwraith111 | lol.. im rather new but i guess if i got cups installed (i had to use a diff driver) and sound and stuff i guess im not doing too bad lol |
| 04:24.15 | calin | FieldySnuts: I thought you were leaving? |
| 04:24.16 | raghu | zeeble: i have currently stable ...which one is good testing or unstable? |
| 04:24.19 | Redwraith111 | so any ideas? |
| 04:24.24 | Redwraith111 | oh and im on sarge |
| 04:24.29 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 04:24.29 | mortal__ | I am unknowing of it's syntax |
| 04:24.29 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:24.47 | deadcat | mortal__: i dont know much about slocate. but try to | it to xargs rm -Ri |
| 04:24.49 | zeeble | raghu: testing. because soon, it will become "stable". If you are running a production machine, go testing. |
| 04:25.15 | deadcat | zeeble: you on crack? |
| 04:25.16 | raghu | zeeble: thx ...i am going to testing. |
| 04:25.19 | zeeble | raghu: what are you going to do on this machine, anyway? |
| 04:25.20 | Meisterc | raghu: next time you create files don't use "blank spaces" instead use _ |
| 04:25.26 | mortal__ | deadcat: I forgot the layout for xargs, could you show it to me in code? |
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| 04:25.32 | Redwraith111 | ... |
| 04:25.35 | zeeble | deadcat: yeah. |
| 04:25.41 | raghu | Meisterc: okay |
| 04:25.42 | lyy | what's the default firewall for debian? |
| 04:25.44 | deadcat | mortal__: slocate shits | xargs rm -Ri; shoudl work (= |
| 04:25.48 | Redwraith111 | i am using firestarter |
| 04:25.53 | lyy | ok |
| 04:25.56 | travisat | zeeble meet crackhead, crackhead meet zeeble |
| 04:26.06 | Redwraith111 | apt-get install firestarter i beleive isnt it? |
| 04:26.14 | raghu | zeeble: we have plone zope server...and also install postgres on this |
| 04:26.22 | kart_ | what about iptables |
| 04:26.31 | Redwraith111 | so anyone have any ideas on what i could do |
| 04:26.31 | deadcat | kart_: man it |
| 04:26.33 | zeeble | raghu: doh. for that sort of stuff, stick with stable. |
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| 04:26.49 | kart_ | hmm |
| 04:26.51 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: get a new PC ;) |
| 04:27.10 | Redwraith111 | Meisterc: Seriously ... *rolleyes* :P |
| 04:27.11 | raghu | zeeble: but latest packages i am not getting like python2.3 etc |
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| 04:27.22 | dilku | is there is kind of a converter to convert HTML to PDF ? |
| 04:27.35 | raghu | zeeble: it sticks with python2.1 |
| 04:27.43 | Meisterc | what is the problem...just gnome is slow ? |
| 04:27.44 | lyy | how do i switch desktops from the console? |
| 04:27.54 | Meisterc | lyy: ??? |
| 04:27.55 | zeeble | raghu: if you want to tinker around, do it on a local PC. and do a similar setup on a local PC, and test with backports.org .. if that works, update on your stable. |
| 04:27.55 | lyy | that is after i log out |
| 04:27.56 | Redwraith111 | like SSLLLOOOWWW as in hangs |
| 04:27.58 | deadcat | lyy: ctrl+alt+fX |
| 04:28.16 | Redwraith111 | i drag a window around and its slow etc and firefox hangs |
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| 04:28.22 | lyy | deadcat: no, like, i am in gnome, andi wanna switch to kde |
| 04:28.26 | Redwraith111 | and i cant get ati drivers installed but thats a hole diff story |
| 04:28.31 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: try running fluxbox |
| 04:28.34 | deadcat | lyy: you using a dsiplay manager? |
| 04:28.44 | Redwraith111 | im using a comp that should support gnome lol |
| 04:28.45 | raghu | zeeble : ya let me solve this issue...thx dude for you are time with me |
| 04:28.50 | lyy | deadcat: haven't a clue. i need to install one? |
| 04:28.53 | Redwraith111 | a 1.4 mhz with 384 ram |
| 04:28.58 | Redwraith111 | and 128 mb gfx |
| 04:29.00 | Meisterc | lyy: install gdm |
| 04:29.01 | lyy | deadcat: i probably need one |
| 04:29.03 | Redwraith111 | although its not working |
| 04:29.03 | lyy | ok |
| 04:29.09 | deadcat | lyy: apt-get install gdm |
| 04:29.14 | zeeble | raghu: backports.org will give you "recent" packages for stable. |
| 04:29.15 | travisat | Redwraith111: that's on the edge of gnome support |
| 04:29.21 | bloh | i have 2 hdds and the system shows it but i cant use it.. how come ? |
| 04:29.25 | Redwraith111 | honestly? |
| 04:29.26 | Redwraith111 | wow man |
| 04:29.27 | genix | OK, now I have updated fstab "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=<MYgid>,uid=<MYuid>,fmask=0333,dmask=0222", even rebooted and "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1" but I do not have enough permissions to read the disk and cannot change it, how do I solve this? |
| 04:29.32 | Redwraith111 | kde is just gay though... |
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| 04:29.39 | raghu | zeeble: okay |
| 04:29.40 | deadcat | bloh: have you mounted the mofo yet? |
| 04:29.44 | BenDrake | conjourno |
| 04:29.44 | travisat | Redwraith111: kde is just as bad |
| 04:29.45 | Redwraith111 | thats harsh but yeah i cant stand it |
| 04:29.48 | raghu | zeeble: okay..i will check there |
| 04:29.56 | Redwraith111 | well.. gnome and kde on different distros worked fine |
| 04:30.00 | Redwraith111 | like slack and vector |
| 04:30.08 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: I'm on AthlonXP2600 512RAM 1280X1024 res. everything is snappy here I also have shitty ATI card (never buy one !) |
| 04:30.11 | bloh | first time i use debian |
| 04:30.18 | travisat | Redwraith111: there are other window managers |
| 04:30.27 | Redwraith111 | im about ready to throw in the towel and lose all the nice packages that i have in debian and go back to slack |
| 04:30.29 | bloh | and i dont know how to mount it... |
| 04:30.30 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: try FLUXBOX |
| 04:30.34 | Redwraith111 | or just wait for my ubuntu cd;s |
| 04:30.41 | deadcat | dont try fluxbox. |
| 04:30.43 | travisat | Redwraith111: are you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 04:30.44 | Redwraith111 | its harder to get around in and gnome has all the configorators |
| 04:30.47 | Redwraith111 | 2.4 |
| 04:30.52 | lyy | deadcat: i probably need to do a gdm-switch or something? |
| 04:30.52 | Redwraith111 | im not sure how to up to 2.6 |
| 04:30.53 | mortal__ | deadcat: it's giving me 'unmatched single quote' before it even runs |
| 04:30.53 | travisat | that might be it |
| 04:30.58 | BenDrake | I am dual-booting debian sarge and win2k. and I was wondering if it is possible to save files on the NTFS drive from linux. |
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| 04:31.05 | Redwraith111 | you wanna help me do that lol |
| 04:31.07 | travisat | Redwraith111: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.blah |
| 04:31.10 | Redwraith111 | just in synaptic? |
| 04:31.15 | Redwraith111 | .blah? |
| 04:31.19 | Redwraith111 | thats gonna help me ;) |
| 04:31.26 | zeeble | oh boy. |
| 04:31.31 | Redwraith111 | lol |
| 04:31.31 | travisat | Redwraith111: use synaptic to find the kernel-image |
| 04:31.33 | Meisterc | apt-cache search kernel |
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| 04:31.38 | Redwraith111 | alright |
| 04:31.41 | zeeble | that's a nice way to move from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 04:31.55 | Redwraith111 | dont owrry ive been figuring out how to use aptget for the last two days |
| 04:32.02 | travisat | Redwraith111: are you running woody or sarge |
| 04:32.09 | Meisterc | sarge |
| 04:32.09 | deadcat | mortal__: hmm. your problem should be fucking easy but i am too lazy to ask you to type the q again. dinner time (= |
| 04:32.11 | Redwraith111 | sarge |
| 04:32.19 | Redwraith111 | it took me a long time to install it |
| 04:32.25 | travisat | alright. I suggest you get the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:32.35 | Redwraith111 | i got the option to instasll 2.6 at the begining clicked yes but fudged up the install and started over |
| 04:32.38 | Redwraith111 | then it didnt give the option |
| 04:32.42 | genix | dondelelcaro, I don't have enough permissions to read the ntfs disk |
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| 04:32.50 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: Install UBUNTU :) hehe |
| 04:33.17 | Redwraith111 | hey |
| 04:33.23 | Redwraith111 | by the .blah did you mean |
| 04:33.25 | Meisterc | I'm rather impressed with it |
| 04:33.27 | Redwraith111 | i386? |
| 04:33.35 | Meisterc | yup |
| 04:33.40 | Meisterc | or i686 |
| 04:33.46 | Meisterc | you PiV |
| 04:33.49 | Meisterc | PIV |
| 04:34.01 | mortal__ | nah, that works, i just had empty input, but it still needs "" to handle the spaces |
| 04:34.04 | Redwraith111 | god that was easy |
| 04:34.05 | Redwraith111 | which one? |
| 04:34.11 | Redwraith111 | if i have a p4 does it really matter |
| 04:34.13 | Meisterc | if there is i686 |
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| 04:34.18 | Meisterc | get that one |
| 04:34.19 | travisat | 686 |
| 04:34.20 | Redwraith111 | there is no 386 |
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| 04:34.38 | bloh | can anyone help me mount a hdd in priv ? |
| 04:34.45 | Redwraith111 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.i686 doesnt work |
| 04:34.51 | Meisterc | nahh |
| 04:35.09 | Tman | I'm doing `apt-get dist-upgrade', and it fails with libxml, how can I get it to pass --force-all to dpkg? |
| 04:35.11 | Redwraith111 | oh |
| 04:35.14 | Redwraith111 | ok no i386 |
| 04:35.17 | Redwraith111 | just 386 |
| 04:35.20 | Redwraith111 | thanks rajasun |
| 04:35.39 | travisat | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-i686 |
| 04:36.02 | travisat | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 04:36.03 | Redwraith111 | could not find |
| 04:36.11 | travisat | without the i |
| 04:36.15 | Redwraith111 | no findy |
| 04:36.33 | Redwraith111 | how can i check what kernel i have |
| 04:36.37 | Redwraith111 | i MAY have updated.... |
| 04:36.38 | Meisterc | copy/paste the above in the console |
| 04:36.41 | Redwraith111 | i dont think so but yeah |
| 04:36.42 | Redwraith111 | i jsut did |
| 04:36.43 | Redwraith111 | doesnt work |
| 04:36.50 | travisat | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:37.00 | Meisterc | uname -a |
| 04:37.07 | Meisterc | will get your kernel version |
| 04:37.10 | travisat | sorry using unstable |
| 04:37.50 | Redwraith111 | 2.4 |
| 04:38.00 | travisat | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:38.16 | Redwraith111 | y cant i use 2.6 10 |
| 04:38.28 | travisat | Redwraith111: you aren't using unstable |
| 04:38.35 | Redwraith111 | i can use 2.6.8 |
| 04:38.43 | Redwraith111 | oh unstable is sid right? |
| 04:38.43 | Redwraith111 | lol |
| 04:38.46 | Redwraith111 | the next one |
| 04:38.47 | Redwraith111 | im on testing |
| 04:38.47 | inviso | travisat: I'm on 2.6.8-1-386 in testing |
| 04:38.57 | bloh | can anyone help me mount a hdd in priv ? |
| 04:38.58 | Redwraith111 | iiiiii get it now |
| 04:39.11 | travisat | inviso: so...... |
| 04:39.13 | Redwraith111 | i have a really good link for that bloh |
| 04:39.22 | Redwraith111 | ive done it everytime |
| 04:39.49 | Meisterc | mount /dev/hd0 /mnt/ |
| 04:39.59 | Redwraith111 | that works too |
| 04:40.00 | Redwraith111 | lol |
| 04:40.02 | Meisterc | hdWhatever |
| 04:40.03 | inviso | travisat: so...., Redwraith111 probably needs apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 04:40.04 | Redwraith111 | i guess? |
| 04:40.21 | Meisterc | mount /dev/hd0 /mnt |
| 04:40.22 | Redwraith111 | yeah... and rajasun said to if i wanted switch around my sources to download everything for sid instead |
| 04:40.23 | travisat | inviso: the newest one in testing for 686 is what I posted |
| 04:40.32 | travisat | Redwraith111: don't use sid |
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| 04:40.57 | bloh | gimme |
| 04:41.07 | inviso | travisat: ahh, look at that :) sure enough |
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| 04:42.16 | Redwraith111 | why not |
| 04:42.20 | Redwraith111 | just wondering |
| 04:42.28 | bloh | mount: you must specify the filesystem type how do i get the filesystem type ? |
| 04:42.41 | deadcat | bloh: -t |
| 04:42.51 | Redwraith111 | so guys should i bother updating to 2.6.10 or just stick with 2.6.8 |
| 04:43.05 | travisat | Redwraith111: just use 2.6.8 |
| 04:43.15 | deadcat | Redwraith111: stick |
| 04:43.25 | travisat | Redwraith111: and you won't know what to do if sid breaks on you |
| 04:43.35 | Redwraith111 | ok now how do i activate the kernal? restart? |
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| 04:43.48 | travisat | Redwraith111: yes and choose the new kernel |
| 04:43.51 | Redwraith111 | like just an x restard |
| 04:43.52 | deadcat | Redwraith111: update-grub and restart |
| 04:43.55 | Redwraith111 | ok... losin me |
| 04:44.07 | Redwraith111 | alright |
| 04:44.08 | Redwraith111 | did it |
| 04:44.10 | Redwraith111 | updated grub |
| 04:44.11 | Redwraith111 | alright |
| 04:44.13 | travisat | deadcat: update-grub should run automatically |
| 04:44.15 | Redwraith111 | see yo uguys on the flipside... |
| 04:44.21 | deadcat | travisat: really |
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| 04:44.34 | travisat | deadcat: it does for me |
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| 04:44.39 | Redwraith111 | didnt for me |
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| 04:45.09 | deadcat | debian kernels should be patched with bootsplash. |
| 04:45.16 | mwilson | Why? |
| 04:45.20 | travisat | deadcat: why? |
| 04:45.21 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: reboot |
| 04:45.24 | Redwraith111 | do i have to do that |
| 04:45.29 | deadcat | no reason (= |
| 04:45.29 | Meisterc | after kernel install reboot |
| 04:45.29 | travisat | Redwraith111: yes |
| 04:45.29 | mwilson | Bootsplash is a dead project, anyway. |
| 04:45.44 | deadcat | mwilson: doh. whats the new one? |
| 04:45.51 | mwilson | None, as far as I know. |
| 04:46.06 | deadcat | shit. no wonder that fucker from bootsplash.de dont replay me. |
| 04:46.14 | Meisterc | hehe |
| 04:46.20 | humbolt | having several apache virtual hosts on my machine and allowing ftp ssh sftp access to the files I wanna assure that the owners can only change their own files and only see the ones they own but still apache/php should be able to rw files. how would you set dir perms? |
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| 04:46.22 | mwilson | Who cares, anyway? |
| 04:46.48 | mwilson | You spend so much time booting the machine or something? |
| 04:46.52 | zeeble | :) |
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| 04:46.59 | deadcat | mwilson: everyday. |
| 04:47.00 | humbolt | and user group of dirs as well as groupmembership of the vhost users |
| 04:47.01 | zeeble | that's the time you go get another coffee. |
| 04:47.02 | Meisterc | hehe |
| 04:47.13 | travisat | deadcat: use hibernate |
| 04:47.21 | Meisterc | I'm up for 21 days |
| 04:47.25 | deadcat | travisat: that save power? |
| 04:47.53 | Meisterc | crank out SETI@home |
| 04:47.54 | travisat | deadcat: it just saves the memory to swap so you boot back where you left off |
| 04:48.03 | sanxiyn | Anyone interested in libTextCat (N-gram based text categorization, or language guessing library)? |
| 04:48.03 | inviso | what do you guys recommend for laptop power management for a Dell Inspiron 2650,test,2.6.8. acpi or apm? |
| 04:48.03 | sanxiyn | http://software.wise-guys.nl/libtextcat/ |
| 04:48.05 | BenDrake | I am using debian sarge with KDE, and my win2k partition isnt showing up in the mount list. how can I mount this drive? |
| 04:48.08 | deadcat | travisat: what about eletricity? |
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| 04:48.17 | Redwraith111 | hey all |
| 04:48.17 | BadMan | If I disabled arts for kde what sound modules am I using for Q3? what sound setup would work for both Q3 and QuakeWorld? |
| 04:48.19 | Redwraith111 | well. |
| 04:48.21 | Redwraith111 | i guess it worked |
| 04:48.26 | travisat | deadcat: the computer is off when you hibernate |
| 04:48.35 | Meisterc | Redwraith111: good |
| 04:48.36 | Redwraith111 | it didnt break |
| 04:48.37 | Redwraith111 | i think |
| 04:48.38 | C17H21NO4 | inviso: I useacpi on my laptop (dell) |
| 04:48.39 | Meisterc | nice |
| 04:48.40 | Redwraith111 | let me test sound ande sutff |
| 04:48.41 | deadcat | travisat: cool. i guess i will try that. |
| 04:48.43 | Redwraith111 | stuff |
| 04:48.51 | mwilson | BenDrake: "mount list"? |
| 04:49.01 | travisat | deadcat: you need to google software suspend 2 |
| 04:49.17 | inviso | C17H21NO4: thanks |
| 04:49.19 | deadcat | travisat: cant apt-get? |
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| 04:49.26 | travisat | deadcat: its quite a project to get it working though |
| 04:49.30 | Redwraith111 | has anyone done the ati drivers? |
| 04:49.35 | deadcat | travisat: shit (= |
| 04:49.44 | BenDrake | wont let me do that.. cant' find list in /etc/fstab |
| 04:49.46 | travisat | deadcat: you can only apt-get the hibernate script, you have to patch the kernel |
| 04:49.47 | deadcat | travisat: i am really bad at projects |
| 04:49.51 | C17H21NO4 | inviso: Some of the function keys don't work with acpi though. |
| 04:49.59 | travisat | deadcat: its worth it |
| 04:50.18 | deadcat | travisat: ya i guess. |
| 04:50.36 | mwilson | Wow... he *is* clueless. |
| 04:50.37 | inviso | C17H21NO4: eh? Like the volume ones? |
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| 04:50.50 | genix | I have updated fstad for a ntfs partition but after I have mounted and try to access it I get "You do not have the permissions neccesary to view the content of sda1" |
| 04:50.50 | deadcat | travisat: hibernate - Software Suspend 2 script |
| 04:50.50 | mwilson | You actually typed in "mount list", didn't you? |
| 04:50.51 | travisat | the computer goes off really quick, and boots almost as quick |
| 04:51.23 | deadcat | mwilson: hes a gentoo user (= |
| 04:51.33 | mwilson | deadcat: Or a slackware user. |
| 04:51.39 | C17H21NO4 | They are easy to get working with i8kutils. I mean most of the fn+Function key |
| 04:51.57 | deadcat | mwilson: well. i dont know what slackware users do, but gentoo users type what you tell them. |
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| 04:52.15 | inviso | C17H21NO4: cool, didn't even know about them :) |
| 04:52.17 | C17H21NO4 | inviso: They don't work with acpi period. Windows or Linux |
| 04:52.23 | travisat | slackware was my first distro.....I got to give it some respect |
| 04:52.27 | humbolt | software suspend in linux sucks! I gave up on it, eventhough my experiences where quite good, they were only quite good. |
| 04:52.29 | mwilson | deadcat: I didn't tell him to type anything, and yet he did it, so he must be more clueless than the average Gentoobie. |
| 04:52.32 | C17H21NO4 | inviso: But they work with apm |
| 04:52.45 | travisat | humbolt: software suspend 2 doesn't suck |
| 04:52.45 | deadcat | travisat: redhat was my first distro but i aint giving no respect to that fucker (= |
| 04:52.54 | Redwraith111 | guys.. how do i open the sources.list file as my usuall acount without loging into root |
| 04:52.56 | deadcat | mwilson: hehe |
| 04:52.59 | travisat | deadcat: I don't either |
| 04:53.10 | humbolt | travisat: It does, depending on your machine I guess! |
| 04:53.15 | mwilson | Redwraith111: You don't. Now, wasn't that easy? |
| 04:53.20 | deadcat | Redwraith111: change the perm on the file |
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| 04:53.26 | inviso | Redwraith111: to edit it? you don't. To view it, less /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:53.27 | travisat | humbolt: on mine its great |
| 04:53.34 | C17H21NO4 | In my experience software suspend takes just as long if not longer than a cold boot. |
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| 04:53.54 | hypnox | If i create an account with useradd, only the numerical user id shows up when i list that user's jobs. Anyone know why? |
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| 04:54.04 | humbolt | C17H21NO4: that is definitly bullsh.. |
| 04:54.24 | Redwraith111 | so you guys dont think that i should follow what rajasun is saying.. he is trying to get me to update to 2.6.10... but i still need to know how can i change the perms as a user (brian) that has the SU password |
| 04:54.26 | Redwraith111 | chmod? |
| 04:54.32 | deadcat | Redwraith111: ya. |
| 04:54.34 | humbolt | When I consider, how long hotplug alone does need to sort things out |
| 04:54.49 | humbolt | I would love to see some caching in hotplug! |
| 04:54.55 | Redwraith111 | chmod and what switch |
| 04:55.03 | deadcat | Redwraith111: man chmod |
| 04:55.03 | C17H21NO4 | humbolt: It's true. But I am pretty sure no one has been able to make it work with my hardware. |
| 04:55.17 | jarango | I just installed the samba package and I need help loggin in. Guest account works fine for "smbclient -L" but nothing else works |
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| 04:55.32 | Redwraith111 | j guys im reallllllllllly new |
| 04:55.33 | Redwraith111 | still |
| 04:55.34 | deadcat | jarango: smbpasswd -a user |
| 04:55.40 | travisat | 14 seconds to boot with hibernate |
| 04:55.51 | deadcat | travisat: what machine? spec |
| 04:56.10 | travisat | deadcat: dell inspiron 5100 2.4 G |
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| 04:56.36 | deadcat | travisat: suspend/hibernate works on desktops too right? |
| 04:56.38 | Redwraith111 | so chmod /etc/sources.list ? |
| 04:56.43 | travisat | deadcat: yeah |
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| 04:56.49 | deadcat | Redwraith111: man chmod mother fucker! |
| 04:56.53 | jarango | I just installed the samba package and I need help loggin in. Guest account works fine for "smbclient -L" but nothing else works |
| 04:56.59 | Redwraith111 | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 04:57.07 | Redwraith111 | your scaring me |
| 04:57.10 | C17H21NO4 | travisat: I can get that with suspend, but no way with hibernate |
| 04:57.25 | travisat | C17H21NO4: I just did it |
| 04:57.25 | deadcat | some people need to be told with authority |
| 04:57.43 | C17H21NO4 | travisat: Not disputing, just envious. |
| 04:57.44 | Redwraith111 | i still cant do it |
| 04:57.45 | Redwraith111 | lol |
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| 04:57.46 | humbolt | I mean, what is the point in checking for new hardware on every boot? Hardware changes do not just occure! Whenever a hardware change occures, the admin knows and could tell hotplug to look for something else. Hotplug should only react to hotplug events of hardware modules are already loaded for. |
| 04:57.55 | deadcat | whats the diff between sleep/suspend/hibernate? my ibook is sleeping i think. |
| 04:58.01 | Redwraith111 | it wont change the permissions of the file |
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| 04:58.12 | WiFiTux | someone has a clue on how to get working webmessenger under mozilla? |
| 04:58.17 | deadcat | Redwraith111: su - |
| 04:58.20 | mwilson | humbolt: So submit a patch, if you know so much about how it "should" work? |
| 04:58.20 | inviso | humbolt: heh, you're assuming "admin" means something :) |
| 04:58.25 | Redwraith111 | oh fuck im a dip shit |
| 04:58.29 | Redwraith111 | i thought i did that |
| 04:58.31 | humbolt | Hotplug as is, is a pain in the ass on boot up |
| 04:58.51 | travisat | aw well time to hit the sack |
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| 04:59.10 | Redwraith111 | hmm deadcat |
| 04:59.14 | jarango_ | i need help setting up users for samba |
| 04:59.15 | Redwraith111 | it says cannot access |
| 04:59.27 | deadcat | jarango_: smbpasswd -a user |
| 04:59.28 | stew | humbolt: apt-get remove hotplug |
| 04:59.29 | Redwraith111 | OMG |
| 04:59.32 | Redwraith111 | damn again |
| 04:59.40 | deadcat | !moron Redwraith111 |
| 04:59.41 | Redwraith111 | i thought when u ment man as in you were telling me man |
| 04:59.43 | dpkg | Redwraith111: You are moron #57 |
| 04:59.55 | Redwraith111 | LOL |
| 04:59.56 | Redwraith111 | omg |
| 05:00.07 | stew | Redwraith111: type 'man man' at a prompt first |
| 05:00.11 | Redwraith111 | man as in manual! |
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| 05:00.20 | stew | Redwraith111: then type man chmod |
| 05:00.31 | genix | What have I missed for access my NTFS partition?: 1. I have updated fstad with "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,gid=<MYGID>,uid=<MYUID>,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" 2. "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/" but get this when I try to access it "You do not have the permissions neccesary to view the content of sda1" |
| 05:00.34 | stew | Redwraith111: then maybe read everything on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:00.44 | genix | This is the last time I asking ;) |
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| 05:02.00 | stew | genix: if you are setting all that in fstab, then just run "mount /dev/sda1' |
| 05:02.27 | humbolt | stew: that's not what I was talking about! Did you actually get my point? Hotplug is nice for reacting on hotplug events, like usbstick plugin. But what is the point of checking all possible hardware modules on every bootup? Does not some BIOS, whatever value change anyway, when you add a new NIC or whatever? So It could check all modules when that happens?! |
| 05:02.48 | genix | stew, I can mount it but I have not enough "permissions to view the content" |
| 05:02.53 | stew | genix: and then it should pick up all those settings from fstab, otherwise you want to add the uid/gid/mask stuff to the mount command line |
| 05:03.30 | genix | stealth, ok, I'll try "mount /dev/sda1" w |
| 05:03.53 | humbolt | stew: apt-get remove user - is not the RIGHT solution for all admin problems either! |
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| 05:03.56 | stew | humbolt: it is what it is, i like it. you don't, uninstall it and write one you like better |
| 05:03.58 | Redwraith111 | thanks guys |
| 05:04.07 | jarango_ | hello ? |
| 05:04.25 | Redwraith111 | quote: stew: apt-get remove user - is not the RIGHT solution for all admin problems either |
| 05:04.27 | Redwraith111 | YES! |
| 05:04.27 | genix | stealth, "mount /dev/sda1" gives "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1. or too many mounted file systems |
| 05:04.38 | WiFiTux | !troll #debian |
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| 05:04.39 | drini | you have loaded the ntfs module? |
| 05:04.43 | WiFiTux | someone has a clue on how to get working webmessenger under mozilla? |
| 05:05.04 | genix | stew, "mount /dev/sda1" gives "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1. or too many mounted file systems |
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| 05:05.27 | Bad_Girl | ;) |
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| 05:05.41 | WiFiTux | Bad_Girl,uuhh, naughty? |
| 05:05.48 | Bad_Girl | rsrsrsrs |
| 05:06.10 | WiFiTux | s |
| 05:06.11 | humbolt | stew: A weird point of view you have! What about communication, what about feedback, what about finding the best solution, what about progress and evolution? |
| 05:06.14 | genix | stew, Can you help? |
| 05:07.59 | humbolt | stew: You should at least say: file a wish on the projects wishlist but dont annoy us. |
| 05:08.21 | lish | i changed /etc/sudoers ,add a common user into it. while i run "sudo route",it doesnt work. |
| 05:08.42 | lish | need i do some others actions ? |
| 05:08.49 | deadcat | lish: did you do it with visudo? |
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| 05:09.16 | lish | visudo ? i run :'sudo ...' |
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| 05:09.20 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: if you don't like hotplug, don't use it... I don't like it, so I don't use it. |
| 05:09.28 | deadcat | lish: visudo to edit the file. |
| 05:09.35 | lish | oh, i see |
| 05:09.36 | deadcat | lish: it checks for syntax error |
| 05:09.47 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: however, for a large number of systems where people don't actually know what modules their hardware needs, it's the easiest way to get their system working. |
| 05:09.58 | stew | humbolt: you are talking about fundamentally changing it, you are probably better off starting fresh |
| 05:09.59 | mwilson | humbolt: Where did you get the idea that hotplug was a boot-time hardware detector? |
| 05:10.11 | Redwraith111 | how do u refresh apt get again |
| 05:10.27 | dondelelcaro | Redwraith111: you mean apt-get update? |
| 05:10.28 | deadcat | Redwraith111: your q dont make sense |
| 05:10.42 | Redwraith111 | update.. my bad |
| 05:10.47 | Redwraith111 | im tired |
| 05:10.48 | Redwraith111 | sorry |
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| 05:11.04 | stew | genix: are you sure that the partition is ntfs? |
| 05:11.04 | genix | dondelelcaro, Listen. 1. I have updated fstad with "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,gid=<MYGID>,uid=<MYUID>,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" 2. "mount /dev/sda1" but get this when I try to access it "You do not have the permissions neccesary to view the content of sda1" |
| 05:11.09 | deadcat | Redwraith111: tire has nothing to do with the q |
| 05:11.21 | Redwraith111 | im not typing straight |
| 05:11.27 | humbolt | mwilson: not primarily but that's what it does on my system on bootup. |
| 05:11.27 | Redwraith111 | i was asking how do i update the list |
| 05:11.30 | genix | stealth, HPFS/NTFS |
| 05:11.32 | jarango_ | deadcat: I thought smbpasswd was not used anymore. This server has somthing call tdbsam |
| 05:11.34 | genix | stew, HPFS/NTFS |
| 05:11.38 | lish | deadcat, i simply add a user:abc ,while after checking, it says the line i added had a syntax error |
| 05:11.44 | mwilson | humbolt: No, actually that's not what it does, even a little. |
| 05:11.53 | genix | stew, yes, fdisk say so and I know that I have it |
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| 05:11.57 | dondelelcaro | genix: what is the output of mount|grep sda1; |
| 05:12.13 | deadcat | jarango_: i use it. dont know what tdbsam is. i only use it to share my /data with my friends. no fancy stuff |
| 05:12.20 | stew | genix: wait but first you said "wrong fs type" then you said 'you do not have the permissions" which is it? |
| 05:12.27 | deadcat | lish: then fix it |
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| 05:12.55 | lish | i dont know how to do that next... |
| 05:12.59 | lish | i have to read the man |
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| 05:13.05 | stew | genix: first make sure its not mounted. type "mount" if its mounted type "unmount /dev/sda" then repeat until mount says its not mounted |
| 05:13.09 | deadcat | lish: you do that. |
| 05:13.12 | stew | genix: then mount /dev/sda1 |
| 05:13.18 | stew | then try to access it |
| 05:13.26 | dondelelcaro | it's umount, and it almost definetly isn't /dev/sda |
| 05:13.26 | jarango_ | deadcat: How do I create the smbpasswd file ? |
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| 05:13.38 | stew | ooops |
| 05:13.47 | deadcat | jarango_: i do smbpasswd -a deadcat; it will create it i guess. |
| 05:14.06 | BadMan | jarango_: dpkg-reconfigure samba and let debconf create it for you |
| 05:14.12 | stew | genix: that should be umount /dev/sda1 |
| 05:14.39 | genix | stew, I have done that, it's not mounted, then " mount /dev/sda1" that gives "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems" |
| 05:15.04 | dondelelcaro | genix: have you loaded the ntfs module yet? |
| 05:15.34 | genix | dondelelcaro, I do not even know what it is |
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| 05:15.47 | jarango_ | BadMan: this is the error I get: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 05:16.09 | BadMan | jarango_: did you run that as root? |
| 05:16.25 | genix | dondelelcaro, how? |
| 05:16.35 | deadcat | genix: sudo modprobe ntfs |
| 05:16.42 | C17H21NO4 | I just did a net install and gnome-panel wasn't installed?!?!? Isn't it a dep of gnome-desktop-environment?? |
| 05:16.44 | lish | man document about soduers is so long! i really want to have a look at a sudoers's example! |
| 05:16.48 | genix | deadcat, what is sudo for? |
| 05:16.54 | dondelelcaro | genix: modprobe ntfs; then try to mount -t ntfs -o uid=$(whoami),fmask=0333,dmask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 05:17.01 | deadcat | lish: what you want to do ? allow all commands? |
| 05:17.13 | deadcat | genix: run as root |
| 05:17.25 | jarango_ | BadMan: no, why ? |
| 05:17.43 | genix | dondelelcaro, "modprobe ntfs" gives "Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-speakup/modules.dep" |
| 05:17.48 | deadcat | lish: this is what i have for deadcat to run shits: "deadcat ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" |
| 05:17.57 | dondelelcaro | genix: that's fine. |
| 05:17.59 | lish | deadcat, i want to run some commands as a root while i need to be a root when i am a command user |
| 05:18.00 | genix | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 05:18.14 | BadMan | when you run dpkg-reconfigure you should do it as root form a tty or konsole or whatever |
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| 05:18.44 | deadcat | BadMan: kde fan eh? (= |
| 05:18.50 | dondelelcaro | BadMan: considering that's the only place you can actually run it from... |
| 05:19.06 | BadMan | dont matter dropt to a term ctrl - alt -f1 and do it there works jsut as good |
| 05:19.10 | sander_ | anyone good at pam_mount? |
| 05:19.41 | stew | genix: now that you have ntfs loaded try mounting it again |
| 05:19.54 | BadMan | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 05:20.01 | lish | yeah ! that is ok. i add this " ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 05:20.02 | lish | " |
| 05:20.10 | sander_ | setting up automaticly mounting of crypted filesystem when I log in.. but shouldt the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth exist after installing pam_mount? |
| 05:20.18 | BadMan | I run dpkg-reconfigure on most all things from konsole... |
| 05:20.31 | sander_ | something aint working as it should.. it wont be mounted when I log in. |
| 05:20.41 | genix | dondelelcaro, "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1," |
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| 05:21.03 | Grub | :? |
| 05:21.07 | Grub | :) |
| 05:21.08 | dondelelcaro | genix: look at the output of dmesg|less |
| 05:21.29 | dondelelcaro | genix: make sure you see the ntfs module loaded, and then see what error messages are there. |
| 05:21.40 | lish | now i know the man document told me to limit some commands to run using many words |
| 05:21.44 | lish | deadcat, isnt it ? |
| 05:21.55 | deadcat | lish: as long as it works |
| 05:21.56 | lish | ^_^ thanks a lot |
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| 05:22.27 | oR|hilikus | what packages do i need to be able to run php scripts from the command line using the "php" command? |
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| 05:22.40 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: php4-cli |
| 05:22.40 | cafuego | oR|hilikus: php4-cli |
| 05:22.47 | oR|hilikus | thanks |
| 05:22.59 | cafuego | oR|hilikus: You can then add any php4-FOO extensions to it. |
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| 05:23.37 | oR|hilikus | can i get this from apt-get? |
| 05:23.43 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: try it |
| 05:23.48 | oR|hilikus | didnt find it |
| 05:24.00 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: you on woody? |
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| 05:24.39 | lish | now it need me to input the password. Even the right root passwd, it fails |
| 05:24.47 | oR|hilikus | whats the command? uname ? |
| 05:24.48 | jarango_ | BadMan: by default I have "passdfb backend = tdbsam guest" |
| 05:24.50 | deadcat | lish: the user's passwd |
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| 05:24.55 | oR|hilikus | for the linux version |
| 05:24.57 | genix | dondelelcaro, see #flood pls |
| 05:25.06 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: uname -a |
| 05:25.19 | lish | yes，... |
| 05:25.22 | dondelelcaro | genix: I just want to see the last part... |
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| 05:25.39 | dondelelcaro | genix: you should see something like NTFS volume version 3.0. or similar. |
| 05:25.44 | oR|hilikus | 2.4.18-bf2 |
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| 05:26.04 | lish | but ...why ? After the first,it needn't input again |
| 05:26.12 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: seems like woody to me. try apt-get.org and see if theres a backport there. |
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| 05:26.18 | oR|hilikus | ok |
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| 05:26.31 | deadcat | lish: because it knows you're the fucker that ran that sudo commad |
| 05:26.33 | starfish | i just got a printer does any one know how to set one up in linux? |
| 05:26.34 | MastrYoda | I just installed debian sarge, and got rid of Fedora... |
| 05:26.38 | MastrYoda | And I left /home alone |
| 05:26.39 | cafuego | 'passfdb' ? |
| 05:26.45 | MastrYoda | But it says it can't find the network. |
| 05:26.53 | MastrYoda | And I didn't touch any hardware on my desktop. |
| 05:26.58 | oR|hilikus | its debian 3.0rc4 |
| 05:27.06 | MastrYoda | I'm using a linksys, and my gateway should be 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:27.11 | deadcat | oR|hilikus: thats woody |
| 05:27.14 | oR|hilikus | ok |
| 05:27.15 | MastrYoda | What program do I use from the shell to configure the network? |
| 05:27.21 | deadcat | MastrYoda: ifconfig -a |
| 05:27.21 | genix | dondelelcaro, I do not find anything wiht ntfs |
| 05:27.24 | cafuego | oR|hilikus: it won't be in woody; but you can install php4-cgi instead and run 'php -q' from the commandline. |
| 05:27.38 | genix | dondelelcaro, I have not rebooted after modprobe ntfs |
| 05:27.39 | Grub | man ifconfig |
| 05:27.43 | dondelelcaro | genix: that doesn't matter. |
| 05:27.47 | oR|hilikus | ok |
| 05:27.47 | genix | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 05:28.02 | dondelelcaro | genix: after you modprobe ntfs; you should have seen the ntfs module being loaded, assuming the 2.4.27-speakup kernel actually has ntfs. |
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| 05:28.51 | genix | dondelelcaro, I am using 2.4.26-speakup yes |
| 05:28.52 | dondelelcaro | genix: then, when you try to mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1; you're going to see specific error messages regarding the attempt to mount the ntfs filesystem. |
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| 05:29.01 | cafuego | is Speakuppix another fake distro? |
| 05:29.04 | starfish | i just got a printer does any one know how to set one up in linux? |
| 05:29.12 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: no, it's the kernel for people who aren't sighted |
| 05:29.15 | cafuego | starfish: What printer? Make/model. |
| 05:29.27 | zignig | dondelelcaro: brail-device drivers and such ? |
| 05:29.28 | drini | depends on the printer model, but you need to install cupsys (all the cups and foomatic packages to be sure ;) |
| 05:29.34 | starfish | lexmark x1100 |
| 05:29.35 | lish | what does the fucker mean ? ;-) |
| 05:29.37 | Goose | i386 binaries are for the insane... gimme some i686 repositories |
| 05:29.42 | dondelelcaro | zignig: actually, it has some sort of text-to-speak iirc. |
| 05:29.56 | dondelelcaro | Goose: you have no clue what you're talking about at all. |
| 05:29.56 | cafuego | Goose: Go away |
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| 05:30.04 | deadcat | lish: the same fucker from the same pts or tty so you dont have to type the passwd again. |
| 05:30.15 | genix | dondelelcaro, "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1;" mounts a device on the desktop and in /mnt/sda1 |
| 05:30.29 | genix | dondelelcaro, but im not able to access it |
| 05:30.29 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: support for text2speech hw etc? |
| 05:30.32 | bloh | can anyone help me formate a hdd ? |
| 05:30.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah |
| 05:30.52 | deadcat | bloh: cfdisk /dev/hdX |
| 05:30.55 | Grub | pls |
| 05:30.55 | azemel | (freechar plugin notice) I'm using UTF-8 charset(encoding) for my russian-cyrillic, so if you're using another, please type '~encoding' (encoding: cp, koi) that you're using, thus we can comunicate well, thanks ! |
| 05:31.09 | dondelelcaro | genix: then umount /mnt/sda1; then mount -t ntfs -o umask=0222 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1; |
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| 05:31.35 | Grub | are u sure it's /mnt/sda1?? |
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| 05:31.43 | Grub | fdisk -l first |
| 05:31.55 | dondelelcaro | Grub: yes, read scrollback already. |
| 05:31.57 | genix | dondelelcaro, ok, now I access it =) |
| 05:32.02 | dondelelcaro | genix: use that options line. |
| 05:32.08 | cafuego | Goose: The difference is the prelinking, not the 686 target. |
| 05:32.09 | dondelelcaro | Goose: that's great. |
| 05:32.12 | genix | dondelelcaro, but im not using uid now |
| 05:32.22 | venki | hi |
| 05:32.24 | cheal | debian's on /. ! |
| 05:32.25 | cheal | for bad reasons unfortunately. but it's good to see |
| 05:32.41 | deadcat | cheal: so? |
| 05:32.42 | Goose | dare i recompile it to verify cafuego's assertion? |
| 05:32.42 | dondelelcaro | genix: doesn't matter. Everyone has the same privleges. If you don't want anyone else to access the drive, set the uid and change the umask |
| 05:32.43 | Goose | hmmmm |
| 05:32.58 | cafuego | Goose: It'll be your time you'll be wasting, feel free. |
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| 05:33.26 | jarango_ | What do I have to do after installing samba to sucessfully connect to the server with a normal user ? I did "smbpasswd -a user" but access is denied when I use that user. I am using smbclient -L |
| 05:34.07 | deadcat | jarango_: mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test |
| 05:34.08 | genix | dondelelcaro, but It not possible to use "mount /dev/sda1" |
| 05:34.11 | lish | deadcat, i go to have a rest. Need't you ? |
| 05:34.22 | deadcat | lish: the f? |
| 05:34.23 | dondelelcaro | genix: yes, you need to change your fstab to have the options that I gave instead. |
| 05:34.25 | genix | dondelelcaro, that gives me "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1," |
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| 05:34.33 | lish | f ? |
| 05:34.35 | dondelelcaro | genix: that factoid is even more wrong than I remember. |
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| 05:34.43 | starfish | lexmark x1100 |
| 05:34.44 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@ool-4577a8b8.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:34.55 | venki | hi friends |
| 05:34.56 | cafuego | starfish: http://www.linux-printing.org/ |
| 05:35.18 | deadcat | lish: i dont get your question/comment |
| 05:35.32 | lish | deadcat, i ask you if you need a rest now ? |
| 05:35.33 | genix | dondelelcaro, "/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,noauto,gid=65534,uid=65534,fmask=0333,dmask=0222" to what? I want to use uid and gid if they are more secure |
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| 05:35.49 | deadcat | lish: nah. i have some readings to do for my id exams tomorrow. |
| 05:35.56 | genix | dondelelcaro, gid and uid is exaples here |
| 05:35.57 | lish | deadcat, ..where are u from ? |
| 05:35.59 | dondelelcaro | genix: the uid and gid you are using makes no sense, and doesn't contribute to security. Anyway: |
| 05:36.13 | deadcat | lish: where i am located you mean? ca,usa |
| 05:36.17 | genix | dondelelcaro, so why are the there? |
| 05:36.20 | dondelelcaro | genix: ro,user,noauto,gid=65534,uid=65534,umask=0227 |
| 05:36.33 | dondelelcaro | genix: if they're just examples, that's one thing, but a gid and uid of -1 is pointless. |
| 05:36.57 | lish | en.. i mean it is noon now if you are chinese and most people should have a rest |
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| 05:37.21 | Sontek | I'm trying to do "screen -x" in a telnet session. I'm getting Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/4' - please check. |
| 05:37.27 | Grub | lish,are u chinese? |
| 05:37.32 | lish | yes! |
| 05:37.41 | Grub | great! |
| 05:37.45 | lish | what about u ? |
| 05:37.48 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 05:37.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:37.52 | Grub | so am i,hah |
| 05:37.56 | lish | haha |
| 05:38.21 | lish | lol |
| 05:38.35 | lish | Grub, deadcat ,i go to rest.88 |
| 05:38.44 | Grub | bye |
| 05:38.49 | deadcat | lish: thats stereotyping (=. |
| 05:39.16 | Meisterc | nite |
| 05:39.17 | genix | dondelelcaro, "ro,user,noauto,gid=65534,uid=65534,umask=0227" do not work either |
| 05:39.26 | Grub | how many people use fvwm? |
| 05:39.33 | deadcat | Grub: just you (= |
| 05:39.37 | zeeble | heh. |
| 05:39.38 | Sontek | grub: everyone |
| 05:39.49 | deadcat | Sontek: now thats bull |
| 05:40.17 | zeeble | fvwm is about the first WM i install after installing X |
| 05:40.34 | Sontek | deadcat, fvwm is very light weight and customizeable, its a great WM |
| 05:40.40 | deadcat | zeeble: shouldnt that be the ONLY wm? |
| 05:40.47 | deadcat | Sontek: openbox3 |
| 05:40.55 | Sontek | deadcat, enlightenment |
| 05:41.01 | Sontek | deadcat, XFCE |
| 05:41.01 | Grub | openbox3? what? |
| 05:41.07 | azemel | blackbox forever |
| 05:41.13 | zeeble | deadcat: nope. I install xfce and wmaker after that. |
| 05:41.20 | deadcat | azemel: ya. forever rest in peace |
| 05:41.21 | zeeble | and stick to wmaker |
| 05:41.26 | Sontek | I run everything in framebuffer in console |
| 05:41.30 | Grub | i only use fvwm forever. |
| 05:41.34 | Sontek | Link2s is great in framebuffer |
| 05:41.38 | Sontek | so is mplayer |
| 05:41.42 | azemel | deadcat, wirks for me |
| 05:41.59 | azemel | i mean "works for me" |
| 05:42.02 | Grub | i use Totem-xine ,not mplayer, |
| 05:42.19 | Sontek | You can't run totem-xine in console framebuffer |
| 05:42.25 | deadcat | aaxine |
| 05:42.28 | Grub | i cannot make mplayer work well |
| 05:42.41 | MastrYoda | How can I setup my network... gateway/ip/dns/subnet |
| 05:42.44 | Sontek | Whats it do? |
| 05:42.51 | deadcat | MastrYoda: dhclient eth0 |
| 05:42.58 | agney | MastrYoda, install etherconf. dpkg-reconfigure etherconf |
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| 05:43.04 | Grub | when i am home ,why do i use text-mode? |
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| 05:43.07 | Cyanophytes | when configuring samba what do I put in passdm backend: box when configuring with KDE Control Center |
| 05:43.10 | MastrYoda | I only have the base system. |
| 05:43.13 | MastrYoda | no internet |
| 05:43.17 | Sontek | MastrYoda, nano -w /etc/network/interfaces and then nano -w /etc/resolve.conf then /etc/init.d/networking restart or do ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 |
| 05:43.19 | MastrYoda | net install disc of sarge |
| 05:43.20 | Grub | hehe, |
| 05:43.22 | azemel | deadcat, pump ;-) |
| 05:43.25 | Cyanophytes | passdm = passdb |
| 05:43.31 | MastrYoda | thanks Sontek |
| 05:43.31 | deadcat | MastrYoda: dhclient eth0 |
| 05:43.37 | deadcat | azemel: pump on debian? |
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| 05:43.47 | azemel | deadcat, aha |
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| 05:44.19 | MastrYoda | ahh, even better deadcat |
| 05:44.21 | MastrYoda | aweseome |
| 05:44.23 | MastrYoda | thanks for teh tip |
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| 05:44.27 | MastrYoda | [00:42:51] <deadcat> MastrYoda: dhclient eth0 |
| 05:44.30 | MastrYoda | That worked like a charm. |
| 05:44.32 | MastrYoda | hehe yay! |
| 05:44.34 | MastrYoda | internet works! |
| 05:44.38 | joris_ | I have an ackward situation... my windowmanager went beserk (takes no imput from keyboard or mouse), and I have two very important vim windows open, both never saved before - I can ssh into the machine, is there a way to recovery vim windows? |
| 05:44.39 | deadcat | MastrYoda: hwo you need to config it for the next reboot. |
| 05:44.47 | simonrvn | resolv.conf |
| 05:45.20 | deadcat | MastrYoda: call me master deadcat |
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| 05:45.24 | simonrvn | "why is my resolve.conf empty?" ;p |
| 05:45.26 | freddy | joris_: vim should keep a recover file. just kill vim |
| 05:45.44 | deadcat | Grub: dont /msg me. |
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| 05:45.50 | deadcat | Grub: i am a dude. (= |
| 05:45.54 | freddy | joris_: or maybe not if you'ev never saved. |
| 05:46.03 | joris_ | freddy I know vim keeps a recover file for named files you're editing, but I just ran 'vim' and started typing, haven't saved it yet |
| 05:46.06 | simonrvn | deadcat: you are? i thought you were a dude |
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| 05:46.12 | joris_ | freddy exactly... |
| 05:46.23 | deadcat | simonrvn: explain. (= |
| 05:46.27 | simonrvn | it will, just with .swp as a name |
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| 05:46.39 | Cyanophytes | anyone know what i'm supposed to set in the passdb backend: field for samba |
| 05:46.46 | simonrvn | deadcat: it's ok :) |
| 05:46.49 | deadcat | (= |
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| 05:47.40 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 05:47.52 | raghu | Any one has setup guide for NAS |
| 05:48.01 | deadcat | was irobot part of apple? |
| 05:48.46 | Sontek | it was part of a very good book, you should ready it |
| 05:48.48 | freddy | joris_: simonrvn is right there should be a .swp file |
| 05:49.03 | freddy | joris_: I just tested and it works here for me. |
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| 05:51.02 | jimbug | HEY HOW DO I LIST THE CONTENTS OF A DIRECTORY, ROFEL!!!111 |
| 05:51.17 | deadcat | jimbug: DONT FUCKING KNOW!!! |
| 05:51.23 | Grub | from which part should i go to read the linux kernel,who can help me? |
| 05:51.28 | freddy | jimbug: fucked if I know |
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| 05:51.52 | deadcat | Grub: google. |
| 05:52.12 | Grub | deadcat, are you dude:) |
| 05:52.18 | deadcat | Grub: best way is find someone who knows how to config and watch them do it. |
| 05:52.28 | simonrvn | Grub: newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 05:52.29 | azemel | (freechar plugin notice) I'm using UTF-8 charset(encoding) for my russian-cyrillic, so if you're using another, please type '~encoding' (encoding: cp, koi) that you're using, thus we can comunicate well, thanks ! |
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| 05:52.47 | Grub | i want to read the linux kernel code, |
| 05:52.47 | Sontek | Grub, /usr/src/ make menuconfig then make && make bzImage modules modules_install |
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| 05:53.03 | deadcat | Grub: cd /usr/share/linux; then vi any of them |
| 05:53.08 | daveo | anyone know how to get the fix the missing mail() function in php4? |
| 05:53.10 | Grub | simonrvn,thanks a lot |
| 05:53.17 | freddy | Grub: download it use something to look at it |
| 05:53.39 | deadcat | Sontek: dont use make-kpkg eh? |
| 05:53.51 | freddy | he wanted to read the code not build a kernel |
| 05:54.02 | Grub | there are so many files in /usr/src/linux.... |
| 05:54.09 | daveo | sorry let me rephrase that: |
| 05:54.10 | deadcat | Grub: start reading. |
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| 05:54.33 | freddy | Grub: why would you want to read it all |
| 05:54.34 | Sontek | deadcat, nah, Its habit to use make :P |
| 05:54.42 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:54.46 | Grub | just start? |
| 05:54.53 | daveo | how can I get the missing mail() function in php. the debian package seems to be missing it when it was compiled |
| 05:55.08 | deadcat | i've never use make to build the kernel and actually not sure if i know how. make-kpkg in a function is what i do. |
| 05:55.08 | dondelelcaro | daveo: that's a module that you load into php. |
| 05:55.11 | fusQuanto | can someone help me out? my debian system which has been up for like 80 days suddenly started acting up, console started saying ide device had aborted journaling? i rebooted and at bootup im getting a kernel panic, it says EXT2-fs couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features |
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| 05:55.24 | dondelelcaro | daveo: probably in php4-snmp or something |
| 05:55.24 | fusQuanto | and then it says FAT: logical sector size too small for device |
| 05:55.34 | Sontek | daveo, http://us4.php.net/mail |
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| 05:55.46 | freddy | fusQuanto: your hdd is probably stuffed |
| 05:55.46 | stew | fusQuanto: i'd guess you hd is going south |
| 05:55.50 | deadcat | fusQuanto: got rooted? |
| 05:56.00 | daveo | everything that I can find on google seems to indicate it's supposed to be compiled in |
| 05:56.13 | fusQuanto | is there anything i can do to get in one last time :( |
| 05:56.14 | stew | fusQuanto: start copying essential data from the drive immediately |
| 05:56.32 | fusQuanto | i cant boot in |
| 05:56.35 | cafuego | woo |
| 05:56.46 | joris_ | freddy, simonrvn, I just tested it too, and it appears to work, thanks! :) |
| 05:56.52 | cafuego | daveo: What? No, it'll be there. Is there an MTA installed? |
| 05:56.55 | deadcat | fusQuanto: too late. if your machine can be up for more than 80 days. you should have planned a backup system already. |
| 05:56.57 | Sontek | daveo, its not a compile, its a server that you install on your server |
| 05:57.02 | Sontek | daveo, nothing to do with php |
| 05:57.19 | Grub | i mostly want to read is the mm,but not all |
| 05:57.21 | fusQuanto | deadcat but at bootup it recognizes the hard drive and such, the HD controller pci card |
| 05:57.23 | Sontek | daveo, ready that page I sent you |
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| 05:58.27 | deadcat | fusQuanto: i am not familiar with hardwares. but recognize doesnt mean the data is still good though. |
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| 05:58.39 | daveo | Sontek: I've looked at that page before. It says that php must have access to the sendmail binary during compile or it doesn't include the function |
| 05:58.46 | fusQuanto | deadcat cant it be that something got fubared and i can fix it :( |
| 05:58.48 | deadcat | fusQuanto: just tkae it as a lesson. from now on, backup |
| 05:59.05 | deadcat | fusQuanto: boot with a livecd see if you can do anything (= |
| 05:59.13 | daveo | cafuego: I've got exim4 installed and working |
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| 05:59.31 | fusQuanto | whats a livecd :) |
| 05:59.34 | fusQuanto | this install is from years ago |
| 05:59.40 | fusQuanto | 2.4.19 kernel |
| 05:59.51 | deadcat | fusQuanto: where have you been? dont know whats a livecd? |
| 05:59.55 | Grub | crash? |
| 05:59.56 | cafuego | daveo: Does /usr/sbin/sendmail exist? |
| 05:59.58 | fusQuanto | no :( |
| 06:00.00 | daveo | Sontek: as I understand it, php4 is already compiled when I apt-get the debian package |
| 06:00.09 | fusQuanto | ive been away from linux as i don thave time for it now (in law school) |
| 06:00.22 | daveo | cafuego: I've created a symlink to exim4 at that path |
| 06:00.22 | deadcat | fusQuanto: google and search for a knoppix livecd, boot it up and try to mount the hd |
| 06:00.24 | cafuego | fusQuanto: A LiveCD is a new way to make people download new ISO images every few months. |
| 06:00.38 | deadcat | fusQuanto: ah... |
| 06:00.41 | fusQuanto | ic |
| 06:00.50 | cafuego | daveo: The exim4 install should have done that by itself. |
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| 06:01.03 | fusQuanto | deadcat so if i it mounted.. will ii only be able to back stuff up then or do you think i can save everything? |
| 06:01.07 | deadcat | fusQuanto: actually just download one and use it to boot into a system to recover. |
| 06:01.23 | daveo | cafuego: it may have but I created one just in case |
| 06:01.31 | deadcat | fusQuanto: i guess. |
| 06:01.47 | Sontek | daveo, php4 ISNT YOUR PROBLEM, YOU NEED SENDMAIL |
| 06:01.49 | cafuego | daveo: You didn't check first if one existed already? |
| 06:01.53 | Sontek | daveo, READ THE LINK |
| 06:01.58 | fusQuanto | thx deadcat |
| 06:02.15 | Sontek | or exim4 ;p |
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| 06:02.26 | cafuego | Sontek: You're not helping. Shut up. |
| 06:02.33 | daveo | Sontek: I did read the link, however exim4 is a dropin replacement for sendmail |
| 06:02.46 | cafuego | daveo: What is the sendmail path set to in your php.ini? |
| 06:02.49 | deadcat | sendmail is a command |
| 06:02.53 | daveo | cafuego: I forgot to check first |
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| 06:03.22 | daveo | cafuego: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 06:03.54 | daveo | cafuego: there is a symlink there and /usr/lib/sendmail |
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| 06:04.18 | cafuego | daveo: Can you execute the symlink? |
| 06:04.37 | cafuego | DAMMIT! |
| 06:04.49 | ells | anyone know why the wireless is not already somewhat configure in Debian like it is in Ubuntu |
| 06:04.56 | daveo | cafuego: yes |
| 06:05.07 | nvz | in Soviet Russia, symlink executes you. |
| 06:05.13 | cafuego | ells: Because you ran an old installer. |
| 06:05.24 | deadcat | ells: because ubuntu installs shits of pkgs on your system |
| 06:05.34 | daveo | cafuego: I can send mail from the command line using the sendmail command |
| 06:05.38 | ells | cafuego, I installed the network install |
| 06:05.43 | cafuego | deadcat: debian-installer does wifi too. he's probaly used woody. |
| 06:05.46 | deadcat | ells: what card you ahve? |
| 06:05.49 | ells | It did not see my atheros card |
| 06:05.51 | deadcat | cafuego: cool. |
| 06:05.56 | ells | in ubuntu it saw it right away |
| 06:06.00 | cafuego | ells: Oh, you're using UNSUPPORTED CRAP HARDWARE |
| 06:06.03 | ells | I am using it right now in ubuntu |
| 06:06.14 | fusQuanto | deadcat is there any other way i can tell right now if this HD has crashed? |
| 06:06.15 | ells | cafuego, hello |
| 06:06.21 | deadcat | ells: compile it yourself. quite easy for this card. |
| 06:06.21 | cafuego | ells: Atheos requires non-GPL software, which isn't in Debian. |
| 06:06.42 | ells | okay, then if ubuntu is so similar why is it in there |
| 06:06.44 | ells | just curious |
| 06:06.44 | fusQuanto | man i havent installed debian since potato days |
| 06:06.48 | ells | I love debian |
| 06:06.51 | fusQuanto | i dont even remember how :( |
| 06:06.52 | deadcat | fusQuanto: i have no idea. best way is with livecd.. atleast fo rme |
| 06:07.00 | cafuego | ells: YOU said ubuntu was similar, we didn't. You were obviously wrong. |
| 06:07.01 | ells | but ubuntu seems to work better with it |
| 06:07.02 | nvz | ells: ubuntu doesnt have the same policy as debian |
| 06:07.19 | ells | cafuego, i thought this was a help line, not a crap on someone line |
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| 06:07.28 | deadcat | ells: ubuntu dont care about non-free stuff |
| 06:07.50 | fusQuanto | deadcat is it at knoppix.org |
| 06:07.51 | fusQuanto | ?. |
| 06:07.57 | ells | deadcat, honestly how easy or hard is it to get my atheros chipset to work in debian |
| 06:07.58 | deadcat | fusQuanto: ya. |
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| 06:08.06 | steve_ | infinite sunday |
| 06:08.08 | cafuego | ells: It's all about educating people who ask silly questions. |
| 06:08.17 | deadcat | ells: easy. i did it for someone at a meeting. just use the cvs codes |
| 06:08.21 | steve_ | !infinite sunday |
| 06:08.22 | ells | cafuego, no, you need to be more professional |
| 06:08.27 | Cyanophytes | how do I run sway to configure samba |
| 06:08.28 | ells | deadcat, thanks |
| 06:08.31 | nvz | ells: don't go there. |
| 06:08.33 | deadcat | ells: he doesnt have to. we dont get paid |
| 06:08.36 | cafuego | ells: I'll be preofessional if you pay my porfessional fee. |
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| 06:09.01 | ells | deadcat, that is my point, be an adult and spread linux |
| 06:09.04 | cafuego | $165/h or part thereof. |
| 06:09.15 | ells | cafuego, you need sleep man |
| 06:09.22 | yxa | oh they are finally sacking the DPL? |
| 06:09.22 | deadcat | ells: madwifi.sf.net |
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| 06:09.42 | cafuego | ells: Do you have _any idea_ how many people we get in here whining about Debian and telling us it worked fine in $SOMEOTHERDISTRO ? |
| 06:09.44 | ells | I just asked a very honest question that I wanted help with |
| 06:09.53 | deadcat | ells: no need to spread. it a choice for the user, they DONT hvae to use this crappy OS. (= |
| 06:09.53 | daveo | cafuego: any other ideas? |
| 06:10.11 | Guerin | oh ffs, debian on /. |
| 06:10.12 | ells | not whining, just want information as to the similar or non similar packaging |
| 06:10.15 | cafuego | daveo: is apache/php running in a chroot? |
| 06:10.27 | ells | and how to help me help myself to do what I want done with debian |
| 06:10.32 | ells | I run debian on my desktop |
| 06:10.35 | ells | I like debian |
| 06:10.37 | cafuego | ells: Well, #debian wouldn't know about Ubuntu. |
| 06:10.58 | daveo | cafuego: not sure how to tell |
| 06:10.58 | ells | well, i did not ask an ubuntu question did i |
| 06:11.02 | zeeble | and "atheros wireless debian howto" in google is'nt difficult either |
| 06:11.08 | Sontek | daveo, is php working on the server at all? |
| 06:11.08 | deadcat | ells: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co madwifi |
| 06:11.12 | ells | zeelbe, thank you |
| 06:11.19 | ells | deadcat, thanks man |
| 06:11.21 | zeeble | ells: i did it for my laptop :) |
| 06:11.32 | ells | zeeble, thanks for the help |
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| 06:11.42 | ells | cafuego, keep rolling |
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| 06:12.12 | Guerin | cafuego: whose eyes? |
| 06:12.13 | deadcat | zeeble: belkin card? (= |
| 06:12.13 | nvz | damn, its after 1am already |
| 06:12.24 | cafuego | Guerin: Another article about how arrogant and crap #debian is? |
| 06:12.38 | daveo | Sontek: php is working. I'm running webcalendar |
| 06:12.50 | BadMan | normal winzip files use bzip2 right? is there a kde frontend for it? |
| 06:13.06 | cafuego | daveo: Make apage containing <?php phpinfo(); ?> and see if that gives you any info. |
| 06:13.06 | deadcat | as long as they dont ban me from #debian, it will always be "crap" (= |
| 06:13.15 | cafuego | BadMan: Winzip files use zip. |
| 06:13.17 | nvz | BadMan: ark, and not winzip probably uses zip |
| 06:13.32 | BadMan | hmm ark dont like the "zip"'s |
| 06:13.39 | Grub | unzip |
| 06:13.43 | nvz | BadMan: so install zip and unzip |
| 06:13.46 | Sontek | daveo, is /usr/sbin or wherever your sendmail/exim is located in $PATH ? try doing . /etc/profile to update any new changes the install might have done to it |
| 06:13.47 | cafuego | Guerin: if I were project leader I'd release a new version every 2 weeks, that'd shut the whiners up. |
| 06:13.50 | BadMan | ok... |
| 06:13.54 | BadMan | thanks |
| 06:14.08 | yxa | cafuego they're sacking him :) |
| 06:14.08 | cafuego | Guerin: And try to get in as many bugs as possible. |
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| 06:14.22 | zeeble | hehe |
| 06:14.29 | nvz | fuck that, you aren't getting my vote |
| 06:14.33 | yebian | Wizard of Oz for DPL |
| 06:14.40 | cafuego | nvz: You WILL vote for me, bitch. |
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| 06:14.50 | deadcat | yebian: fuck that. AL Gore |
| 06:14.50 | cafuego | nvz: Or I'll fly over and STAB you. |
| 06:14.53 | yxa | when is the voting? |
| 06:14.54 | Guerin | cafuego: they'd be begging for a return to the good old dsays |
| 06:15.01 | cafuego | Guerin: That's the idea... |
| 06:15.01 | nvz | cafuego: bah. |
| 06:15.02 | deadcat | suifur: HAHAHA |
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| 06:15.16 | yebian | NO! Rush Limbaugh |
| 06:15.18 | cafuego | Guerin: They seems to be suffering from grass-is-always-greeneritis |
| 06:15.27 | cafuego | nvz: I'll STAB you anyway |
| 06:15.31 | Guerin | s/they/everyone/ |
| 06:15.34 | suifur | Deb-Unit! KFC Motha fuckas! |
| 06:15.43 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAH |
| 06:15.47 | Guerin | jesus |
| 06:15.48 | suifur | thats right |
| 06:15.53 | suifur | Debian would take over all the KFC's |
| 06:15.54 | ells | cafuego, have fun and let me know whe you hit puberty. You are such a child |
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| 06:16.03 | suifur | and 50 Cent would start a world wide campaign |
| 06:16.07 | Guerin | 50 cent, what a weakling |
| 06:16.16 | suifur | against bad fried chicken |
| 06:16.24 | deadcat | cafuego: his trick is to quit before you can reply (= |
| 06:16.25 | yebian | So when the hell do we vote anyway? |
| 06:16.32 | Guerin | yebian: who's we? |
| 06:16.37 | nvz | yeah, really |
| 06:16.38 | yebian | ME |
| 06:16.51 | suifur | Guerin: i unno, he's pretty tough, should already be dead considering he's been shot like 7 times |
| 06:16.51 | suifur | lol |
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| 06:16.53 | cafuego | deadcat: means I need to waste more time on it. |
| 06:16.54 | Guerin | yebian: send an email to spamtrap@debian.org with your vote |
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| 06:17.00 | Guerin | suifur: haha |
| 06:17.08 | cafuego | I should have make dpkg spam it with '!supported by' |
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| 06:17.09 | daveo | Sontek: /etc/profile gives a : Permission denied |
| 06:17.10 | suifur | probly mentally he's a pussy though |
| 06:17.31 | yxa | u????ulinux webpage looks gay |
| 06:17.43 | cafuego | yxa: whatnow? |
| 06:17.51 | stew | !tell yxa about gay |
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| 06:17.55 | nvz | heh |
| 06:18.01 | Sontek | daveo, ls -l /etc/profile |
| 06:18.12 | cafuego | Crud, i missed it. it's 1111126680 now. |
| 06:18.14 | Sontek | daveo, sounds like you might be chrooted, are you the admin of this box? |
| 06:18.24 | nvz | you using unix time? |
| 06:18.30 | cafuego | nvz: yeah |
| 06:18.52 | stew | cafuego: dude it was AWESOME can't believe you missed it ;) |
| 06:19.01 | deadcat | stew: no it wasnt (= |
| 06:19.14 | deadcat | stew: it lasted like 1 sec. |
| 06:19.21 | stew | heh |
| 06:19.38 | cafuego | Mwah. beats sex. |
| 06:19.40 | stew | actually got my wife to tune in |
| 06:19.42 | stouset | deadcat: It lasted *exactly* one second. |
| 06:19.48 | deadcat | cafuego: thats sad (= |
| 06:19.48 | daveo | Sontek: yes I'm the admin of this box |
| 06:19.58 | Guerin | cafuego: speak for yourself |
| 06:20.01 | cafuego | deadcat: that's what 7 1/2 years of marriage will do... |
| 06:20.05 | deadcat | stouset: not sure about exactly hehe |
| 06:20.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:20.11 | yebian | Jesus Christ condorcet voting?!? Why cant we just fly all the candidates to a place where they play russian roulet and whoever blows his/her head off first is DPL? |
| 06:20.13 | Guerin | !pity cafuego |
| 06:20.15 | dpkg | I pity da fool cafuego! |
| 06:20.35 | Guerin | yebian: i say a drinking competition |
| 06:20.43 | deadcat | yebian: last (= |
| 06:20.49 | stouset | deadcat: By definition :-) |
| 06:20.49 | Guerin | fermented yak's milk |
| 06:21.15 | cafuego | daveo: is there a .htaccess file in the web dir, overriding stuff? |
| 06:21.16 | yebian | deadcat: one bullet; saves money.l |
| 06:21.16 | daveo | Sontek: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
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| 06:21.30 | deadcat | yebian: flip coin. |
| 06:21.36 | Sontek | and you're getting permission denied when typing . /etc/profile? |
| 06:21.48 | yebian | deadcat: rock paper scissor. |
| 06:21.53 | cafuego | Sontek: I think he may have omitted the dot |
| 06:21.55 | deadcat | yebian: ah. |
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| 06:22.10 | deadcat | Sontek: was gonna say that too. thats where the permission denied comes from |
| 06:22.16 | Sontek | cafuego, that'd make sense :P |
| 06:22.20 | yebian | deadcat: add rock paper scissor to the condorcet algorithm. |
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| 06:22.21 | daveo | cafuego: no .htaccess file |
| 06:22.24 | calin | hmm. hhhehhheheh <3 alcohol |
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| 06:22.29 | deadcat | Sontek: tell them to "source instead of ." |
| 06:22.35 | cafuego | daveo: And the phpinfo() page didn't show anything unusual? |
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| 06:23.01 | takatumi | !wb Guerin_ |
| 06:23.02 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Guerin_ has returned! |
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| 06:23.37 | Guerin_ | gah |
| 06:23.42 | suifur | !wb dpkg |
| 06:23.43 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 06:23.46 | suifur | lol |
| 06:23.47 | Guerin_ | damn intarwebs is br0k3n |
| 06:23.49 | suifur | retard bot |
| 06:23.53 | suifur | !do Guerin_ |
| 06:23.55 | cheal | looks like yebian doesn't know condorcet voting |
| 06:24.06 | Guerin_ | yak's milk, I say |
| 06:24.16 | suifur | hmmm Napoleon Dynamite for DPL |
| 06:24.16 | yebian | cheal:http://seehuhn.de/comp/vote.html |
| 06:24.18 | takatumi | cheal: why? what is wrong? |
| 06:24.34 | _zardozl | Why cant i change type on my hdd to ext3 i can change to everything else exept that. |
| 06:24.34 | daveo | cafuego: doesn't seem to have anything out of the ordinary that I can see |
| 06:24.43 | cheal | takatumi: from what I understood he thinks it's bad |
| 06:25.16 | Sontek | daveo, you should tryin mail() now that you've checked your $PATH and sourced your profile |
| 06:25.39 | yebian | cheal: Not bad. I dont understand it. |
| 06:25.41 | nvz | so I take it from all the chanter, that Bruce Perens is resigning as project leader? |
| 06:25.45 | takatumi | cheal: I misparsed that as debian as a project doesn't know condorcet voting. :) (just woke up) |
| 06:25.58 | zeeble | the heck is userlinux? |
| 06:26.06 | cheal | takatumi: hehe, it's his fault :) |
| 06:26.08 | takatumi | zeeble: it is? |
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| 06:26.11 | Guerin_ | zeeble: fgi |
| 06:26.12 | daveo | Sontek: the page says Warning: Wrong parameter count for mb_send_mail() in /var/www/index.php on line 1 |
| 06:26.21 | zeeble | nm. googling it. |
| 06:26.27 | stram | anyone know when x.org is supposed to hit the unstable repositories? |
| 06:26.29 | Guerin_ | bruce perens is sharp |
| 06:26.36 | cheal | yeah |
| 06:26.37 | takatumi | stram: no date yet. |
| 06:26.40 | Guerin_ | !topicbadger stram |
| 06:26.41 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that stram didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 06:26.45 | yebian | Toy story 2 was badass. |
| 06:26.47 | mwilson | stram: Whenever it gets uploaded. It's not like there's some schedule. |
| 06:26.58 | yebian | A Bugs Life was Badass. |
| 06:27.07 | mwilson | stram: Let me guess... you're another one who'll just die if you don't have it instantly. |
| 06:27.16 | stram | erm yeah i know debian doesnt work on schedules, but anyone have a time approximation? |
| 06:27.29 | nvz | nevermind, too many of you don't even know what topic you are on.. I am just going to bed. |
| 06:27.30 | Rizzer | takatumi: not quite, x.org is pretty much ready to roll already. They're waiting for sarge to release so x.org will replace xfree86. |
| 06:27.32 | bob2 | stram: no |
| 06:27.35 | stram | mwilson not really, if i was, i would be fucking with CVS right now, heheh |
| 06:27.37 | mwilson | stram: There isn't one. |
| 06:27.39 | bob2 | stram: hopefully in the next couple of months |
| 06:27.45 | Guerin_ | stram: when the moon is between the pine and the sycamore |
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| 06:27.55 | takatumi | Rizzer: and do they have a date for sarge release? |
| 06:28.01 | _zardozl | Why cant i change type on my hdd to ext3 i can change to everything else exept that. |
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| 06:28.11 | Rizzer | takatumi, of course not ;) |
| 06:28.21 | cafuego | takatumi: They do. Unfortunately, tomorrow that date will be different. |
| 06:28.24 | yebian | Some person who has never seen a computer before that speaks a language other than English and does not have a religious preference selected randomly for DPL. |
| 06:28.25 | takatumi | Rizzer: so "no date yet" stands correct. |
| 06:28.27 | mwilson | It's not like there's any particular reason to worry about xorg. |
| 06:28.46 | Guerin_ | is it still unusable with shadders and transparency? |
| 06:28.48 | bob2 | god that slashdot discussion is stupid |
| 06:28.50 | cafuego | _zardozl: I imagine your kernel doesn't have ext3 support. |
| 06:28.56 | Rizzer | no no, the "release date" for *x.org* is /very/ well defined: as soon as sarge is done :) |
| 06:29.02 | zeeble | doh |
| 06:29.02 | Guerin_ | bob2: I forced myself to stop so I wouldn't flame people |
| 06:29.09 | cafuego | Guerin_: it crashes after a couple of days rather than a couple of hours now. |
| 06:29.11 | takatumi | mwilson: xorg is the only thing that works for my ATI340 so yes, I have reason to worry about xorg. |
| 06:29.12 | abrocadabro | I have setup squirrelmail and courier-imap but every time I tried to login it says "ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server." any ideas? have googled a lot but still didn't find a solution |
| 06:29.23 | mwilson | Guerin_: Unless you have a P4/zillion and one of those video cards that glows when you turn it on. |
| 06:29.24 | Guerin_ | cafuego: I guess that's pogress |
| 06:29.28 | stram | i don't really care too much about getting xorg, i was just wondering if it was coming soon or what, hehe |
| 06:29.28 | cafuego | Guerin_: DRI and Transaprency still don't both work, though. |
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| 06:29.33 | Guerin_ | gah |
| 06:29.37 | takatumi | mwilson: hah. |
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| 06:29.53 | Guerin_ | abrocadabro: look at your imapd logs to see why it was dropped |
| 06:29.56 | yebian | intel |
| 06:29.59 | cafuego | And desperados with those video cards that glows when you turn it on DO want hardware 3D I'm sure. |
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| 06:30.14 | mwilson | Cluebies have been whining about transparenty for years. It's not like it's usable for anything worthwhile. |
| 06:30.20 | cafuego | mwilson: Mind you, it seems fast enough on the AMD64 with a GeForce 5700 |
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| 06:30.36 | takatumi | Guerin_: I haven't tried tried transparencies or shadows, but it is very stable here. |
| 06:30.49 | Guerin_ | takatumi: and fast? in what hardware? |
| 06:31.03 | cafuego | Reading stacked terminals is impossible though, unless you turn the transparency down to a point where you may as well have a black background. |
| 06:31.12 | Guerin_ | by 'fast' i mean 'not noticeably slower than xfree86' |
| 06:31.30 | zeeble | I have crappy hardware, but xorg works just as well as xfree86/ |
| 06:31.43 | Guerin_ | what's 'crappy hardware' |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin_ | ? |
| 06:31.52 | abrocadabro | Guerin_: it says "imaplogin: chdir maildir, no such file or directory exist" |
| 06:31.52 | cafuego | Guerin_: I;'ve found it to start marginally quicker than xfree86 on the crusty Celeron500 laptop |
| 06:31.53 | takatumi | Guerin_: radeon340 IGP, I can't really measure a speed difference in 2D as compared to xfree, however it is zippy and DRI works as well. |
| 06:31.59 | Guerin | abrocadabro: there's your answer |
| 06:32.01 | [sunny] | Hi guys, Does anyone know a straight forward guide to setting up a simple virtual user ftpd? |
| 06:32.17 | abrocadabro | Guerin: but what can I do? |
| 06:32.21 | zeeble | Guerin: its a Sis onboard card. Sis 630 |
| 06:32.23 | mwilson | [sunny]: Gotta share them warez around, huh? |
| 06:32.29 | cafuego | Guerin: And yes, it does DRI on my IGP320 laptop, which I like. |
| 06:32.36 | Guerin | abrocadabro: most imapds create a maildir hen the user gets a mail. Send one. |
| 06:32.41 | bob2 | [sunny]: proftp has pretty decent docs |
| 06:32.42 | Guerin | err, MTSa |
| 06:32.45 | Guerin | MTAs |
| 06:32.46 | bob2 | tho ftp in general is shit |
| 06:33.01 | cafuego | my warez buddies use lund-ftpd, but ymmv. |
| 06:33.03 | [sunny] | lol.... nah it's a document storage area for uni group work |
| 06:33.04 | zignig | bob2: bleh! |
| 06:33.10 | takatumi | but yes, hardware 3D would have been better. |
| 06:33.15 | mwilson | [sunny]: Sure it is. |
| 06:33.16 | cafuego | [sunny]: http://sdms.cafuego.net/ |
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| 06:33.43 | mirk | how can I find out what processes are using a kernel module? |
| 06:33.54 | bob2 | mirk: you can't |
| 06:34.03 | [sunny] | cafuedgo: hey... this looks pretty cool.... thanks... |
| 06:34.10 | bob2 | mirk: you can find which processes are using device nodes in /dev that might be connected to a module |
| 06:34.26 | cafuego | [sunny]: I'm bsuily rewriting it, there will probably be a less crusty version in a couple of months. |
| 06:34.28 | bob2 | Grub: irssi, like everyone else |
| 06:34.35 | _zardozl | what hdd type is good to have ? |
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| 06:34.45 | cafuego | [sunny]: notably one with update notifications and discussion threads per document. |
| 06:34.52 | mirk | bob2: ok. I can use lsof for that, but how can I tell what device nodes are connected to a module. |
| 06:35.01 | bob2 | mirk: you can't |
| 06:35.04 | bob2 | mirk: in general |
| 06:35.11 | bob2 | hm |
| 06:35.20 | cafuego | _zardozl: One that works with your controller type. |
| 06:35.40 | cafuego | _zardozl: So a scsi disk for a scsi controller, IDE for your PATA controlelr etc. |
| 06:35.45 | bob2 | mirk: you can usually figure it out, manually |
| 06:35.49 | Agrajag- | hey all, i want a user to be able to sudo vim /etc/foo, what's the syntax in /etc/sudoers for this? i've tried "user ALL=(ALL) vim /etc/foo" but that gives a syntax error |
| 06:36.13 | [sunny] | cafuedgo: its cool... but i dont have enough time to teach everyone how to use this.... assignment is due next week... |
| 06:36.20 | bob2 | Agrajag-: you might need a shell wrapper for that |
| 06:36.32 | cafuego | [sunny]: proftpd-mysql it is, then. |
| 06:36.34 | bob2 | Agrajag-: ie, give them permission to run a shell script called "edit-foo" |
| 06:36.39 | bob2 | which runs the above command |
| 06:36.51 | Agrajag- | hmm right ok |
| 06:37.04 | cafuego | bob2: sudo edit-foo; :r /etc/shadow; |
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| 06:37.04 | calin | I have installed mpd, the media player daemon. when i was woking on my computer i stopped the daemon and used mpg321 to play songs, i restarted the daemon after i got x working again, but now the little speaker in my system try that usually manages the volume doesn't work at all. What can I do to fix this without restarting anything? |
| 06:37.06 | takatumi | cafuego: is that your pet project? |
| 06:37.07 | deadcat | Agrajag-: if you give vi, you give root away.. :sh |
| 06:37.10 | cafuego | bob2: not safe. |
| 06:37.14 | cafuego | takatumi: One of. |
| 06:37.25 | bob2 | cafuego: oh, good point |
| 06:37.26 | takatumi | cafuego: which license? |
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| 06:37.29 | bob2 | Agrajag-: don't let people do that |
| 06:37.31 | cafuego | takatumi: GPL |
| 06:37.37 | [sunny] | cafuedgo: is there something a bit simpler? cause i only need to create one account... installing mysql for that seems a bit overkill.... |
| 06:37.38 | Agrajag- | heh ok.. |
| 06:37.44 | Agrajag- | im sure there's a nice way to do this |
| 06:37.54 | deadcat | Agrajag-: no |
| 06:37.57 | takatumi | cafuego: coolness, I'll probably give it a whirl sometime. |
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| 06:37.59 | cafuego | Agrajag-: You can give them access to a restricted nano or nano-tiny, perhaps. |
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| 06:38.06 | deadcat | Agrajag-: create a new group |
| 06:38.08 | p88 | hi all |
| 06:38.11 | cafuego | Agrajag-: Maybe hack 'visudo' |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin | yeah, group would be my plan |
| 06:38.38 | p88 | does anyone know how to activate java? |
| 06:38.46 | calin | noone knows? |
| 06:38.53 | yebian | Alright you sons of bitches you talked me into it. I'll use GRUB and make kpackage. |
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| 06:39.04 | cafuego | [sunny]: Just make a single ftp account with write access. |
| 06:39.08 | morph__ | activate java? |
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| 06:39.15 | p88 | yes |
| 06:39.21 | p88 | in konqueror and mozilla |
| 06:39.26 | morph__ | you mean JRE, or something different? |
| 06:39.31 | morph__ | oh. |
| 06:39.31 | simonrvn | #define ACTIVATE java |
| 06:39.32 | p88 | indeed |
| 06:39.32 | deadcat | jvm |
| 06:39.34 | cafuego | p88: Install the JRE, that has plug-ins. |
| 06:39.39 | cafuego | !java-package |
| 06:39.40 | dpkg | [java-package] the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. |
| 06:39.57 | cafuego | !tell p88 -about install java |
| 06:40.05 | cafuego | p88: There you go. |
| 06:40.06 | abrocadabro | Guerin: I have send one but still the same problem |
| 06:40.16 | morph__ | can't you just untar JRE? |
| 06:40.18 | Guerin | abrocadabro: did it get delivered? |
| 06:40.31 | morph__ | Isn't it ready to eat, right out of the box |
| 06:40.36 | p88 | I see |
| 06:40.40 | p88 | :) |
| 06:41.24 | cafuego | morph__: No. |
| 06:41.33 | _zardozl | when i check in cfdisk the type is linux and in fstab i have linux but when i try to mount it it says mount: you must specify the filesystem type wtf ? |
| 06:42.03 | suifur | "linux" is not a filesystem type... |
| 06:42.12 | simonrvn | _zardozl: linux is not a filesystem |
| 06:42.12 | bob2 | _zardozl: the type cfdisk says has nothing to do with the type of the filesystem |
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| 06:42.21 | _zardozl | how do i check the file system ? |
| 06:42.29 | Guerin | god |
| 06:42.37 | suifur | ext3, ext2, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, etc. are filesystems |
| 06:42.40 | cafuego | _zardozl: cfdisk is a *partitioner* you'll still need to *format* the filesystems with 'mkfs'. |
| 06:42.45 | karsten | Guerin: You called? |
| 06:42.49 | abrocadabro | Guerin: which log do I check in the destination machine? |
| 06:42.53 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.55 | simonrvn | karsten: k-dog |
| 06:43.07 | karsten | asg: Greets. |
| 06:43.08 | Guerin | karsten: yeah. Make slashdot less stupid |
| 06:43.22 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 06:43.32 | Guerin | particularly the debian article |
| 06:43.35 | simonrvn | @Guerin++ |
| 06:43.43 | Guerin | and then there's the thread about how women WANT to be mistreated |
| 06:43.48 | p88 | there is no java-package |
| 06:43.51 | Guerin | that one can go too |
| 06:43.52 | simonrvn | WTF |
| 06:43.58 | cafuego | Guerin: Pray tell, why do you read it? |
| 06:43.59 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:44.01 | karsten | Guerin: echo "0.0.0.0 slashdot.org" >> /etc/hosts. |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | boredom |
| 06:44.06 | abrocadabro | Guerin: the destimation machine doesn't has imap or imapd folder unser /var/log and there is no maildrop folder under root, which I just send one |
| 06:44.16 | cafuego | Guerin: Surely foxnews.com is more entertaining |
| 06:44.26 | Guerin | abrocadabro: can you repeat that in coherent english, please |
| 06:44.33 | Guerin | probably is |
| 06:44.39 | karsten | cafuego: CNAME faunews.com foxnews.com. |
| 06:44.53 | simonrvn | a maildir folder in /var/log? wth |
| 06:45.10 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 06:45.20 | karsten | Guerin: Um. I've got _quite_ the collection of Xs, but thanks. |
| 06:45.26 | cafuego | p88: read the factoid again. |
| 06:45.58 | cafuego | p88: Specifically, the "If you're in woody ..." part. |
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| 06:46.06 | p88 | I am not in woody |
| 06:46.22 | Guerin | karsten: I bet you have |
| 06:46.27 | cafuego | p88: Then you may need to add the 'contrib' repository to your sources.list. |
| 06:46.35 | p88 | ah |
| 06:46.41 | p88 | I'll do that |
| 06:46.47 | p88 | thanks I am new to debian |
| 06:46.54 | p88 | migrated from freebsd |
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| 06:47.40 | simonrvn | i think a ham email from ebay scored 15 =) |
| 06:47.50 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 06:47.51 | suifur | p88: heh, interesting migration, usually i see it the other way around |
| 06:47.56 | cafuego | My father in law's mails have started scoring as spam |
| 06:48.07 | p88 | suifur: yes indeed but I wanted to see the super-stable linux |
| 06:48.10 | p88 | :) |
| 06:48.12 | abrocadabro | sry, I have two machines both of which have exim4 installed, I have trouble with the second machine that imap doesn't seem to work. I have send one email from the first machine to the send machine, the problem I am looking at now is how can I check if the second machine has received the mail |
| 06:48.17 | p88 | up until now I like it |
| 06:48.21 | cafuego | suifur: ports get monotonous, all that annoying compiling... |
| 06:48.27 | abrocadabro | Guerin: the above was for you |
| 06:48.28 | suifur | cafuego: definitely |
| 06:48.32 | p88 | yes true |
| 06:48.34 | cafuego | it's like gentoo, but with older fanboys |
| 06:48.36 | p88 | the ports take so long |
| 06:48.46 | suifur | i usually only use *BSD's for my router/firewall boxes |
| 06:48.50 | suifur | the rest I'll use linux for |
| 06:49.03 | suifur | but thats because IMHO PF owns all |
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| 06:49.09 | p88 | can someone tell me how to add "contrib" repository to the synaptic package manager? |
| 06:49.18 | yxa | i totally agree with suifur |
| 06:50.07 | jm_ | p88: run apt-setup |
| 06:50.12 | simonrvn | i've seen some pf syntax now, it looks a lot easier to configure, hence maintain ;) |
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| 06:50.16 | yxa | wonder if pf will be ported to deb |
| 06:50.21 | cafuego | p88: Settings -> Repositories. Add contrin on the Sections line. |
| 06:50.32 | cafuego | yxa: Doubtful, as iptables is just as good. |
| 06:50.34 | suifur | yxa: heh, it'd be bitchin hard considering the changes you'd have to add to kernel |
| 06:50.42 | bob2 | karsten: have you ever got a reply from abuse@kornet? |
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| 06:51.00 | simonrvn | bob2: reply from kornet? kidding, right? |
| 06:51.06 | bob2 | simonrvn: hah |
| 06:51.08 | devnull | any particular reason that nvidia kernel driver isn't loading since i did a system upgrade ? |
| 06:51.09 | yebian | What is the name of a curses based ftp client? |
| 06:51.10 | bob2 | simonrvn: ok, it's not just me then |
| 06:51.14 | cafuego | yxa: ncftp |
| 06:51.20 | suifur | devnull: you update your kernel? |
| 06:51.25 | p88 | cafuego: main/contrib? |
| 06:51.26 | bob2 | devnull: you have to reinstall it after every kernel upgrade |
| 06:51.29 | yxa | cafuego ? |
| 06:51.31 | bob2 | yay for proprietary kernel crap! |
| 06:51.38 | simonrvn | bob2: most large ISPs and other SPs just ignore abuse@ |
| 06:51.39 | cafuego | p88: "main contrib" (no quotes) |
| 06:51.42 | karsten | bob2: Y'know, I've had a couple of 'em from Korean ISPs, though not IIRC kornet. |
| 06:51.46 | p88 | ok :) |
| 06:51.47 | cafuego | p88: My as well throw in non-free as well |
| 06:51.49 | devnull | i did reinstall |
| 06:52.03 | karsten | bob2: Surprising enough that I mentioned them on Usenet. Hanaro IIRC. |
| 06:52.05 | bob2 | simonrvn: hah, I'm even getting bounces from abuse@ and postmaster@ |
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| 06:52.15 | cafuego | grep abuse /etc/aliases; "abuse: /dev/null" |
| 06:52.17 | simonrvn | cafuego: keep your ass to yourself |
| 06:52.28 | cafuego | simonrvn: Count 's'-es |
| 06:52.34 | simonrvn | bob2: fuck |
| 06:52.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: teehee |
| 06:52.39 | Grub | .. |
| 06:52.42 | bob2 | karsten: ah |
| 06:52.51 | cafuego | simonrvn: the BitBucket cares. |
| 06:53.00 | p88 | cafuego: it is still not in there |
| 06:53.03 | p88 | I did reload |
| 06:53.09 | yebian | cafuego: thanks |
| 06:53.10 | cafuego | p88: it's naugty. |
| 06:53.14 | simonrvn | it does? have you ever filled it yet? |
| 06:53.28 | p88 | yes it seems to be |
| 06:53.32 | cafuego | p88: Can you paste me the line from /etc/apt/sources.list ratehr than use synaptic? |
| 06:53.39 | simonrvn | "/dev/null: invalid argument" |
| 06:53.40 | p88 | ok |
| 06:54.05 | p88 | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 06:54.17 | p88 | oh sorry I didn't want to paste twice |
| 06:54.20 | cafuego | p88: Not on the security line, but the other one. |
| 06:54.22 | simonrvn | uh. is that all you have? |
| 06:54.28 | p88 | ah I see |
| 06:55.28 | cafuego | simonrvn: yeah, I had a disk full error last week, it was 0Kb! |
| 06:55.45 | p88 | woo thanks cafuego it works |
| 06:56.04 | p88 | now downloading |
| 06:56.10 | cafuego | p88: Cool. Now you'll want to download a jre from Sun, get the .bin, NOT the .rpm.bin |
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| 06:56.20 | cafuego | And don't extract it. |
| 06:56.26 | simonrvn | yikes. had that happen to / a few weeks ago. system went nuts, had to replay the journal, delete the file, and run some obscure xfs_foo command |
| 06:56.31 | karsten | bob2: http://tinyurl.com/6wbnj (Hanaro resp, if you care) |
| 06:56.43 | p88 | where should I put the bin? |
| 06:56.46 | simonrvn | oh, and do that from a booted floppy |
| 06:56.49 | cafuego | p88: Just yer homedir. |
| 06:56.58 | cafuego | p88: you'll also have to apt-get install fakeroot |
| 06:57.18 | cafuego | simonrvn: o only had a full /var - 2 Gb of cruft in /var/cache/apt |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:57.34 | p88 | if you say so |
| 06:57.39 | p88 | I'll install fakeroot |
| 06:57.53 | p88 | oh it is already there |
| 06:57.53 | simonrvn | fakeroot is very handy |
| 06:57.56 | cafuego | Well, you could run the app as root, i suppose. |
| 06:58.26 | cafuego | p88: Ok, when you've go the .bin, run 'fakeroot make-jpkg jre1.5.xxx.bin' |
| 06:58.33 | jm_ | or just use java-package, it depends on fakeroot |
| 06:58.51 | cafuego | Or as they say in canadia, fakeoot. |
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| 07:00.20 | simonrvn | i had some ethereal ouput, wanted to save to a file. saved it to /... dumb me shoulda saved it to /tmp or used tcpdump. i used some bloated file type - wasn't pcap i think. whatever, just filled it up like it was a dry sponge... *shrug* |
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| 07:04.04 | simonrvn | someone say something |
| 07:04.40 | jm_ | something |
| 07:04.50 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 07:06.07 | benjamindees | another slow irc night -- reading /. again I see :) |
| 07:06.18 | stouset | Sorry. I've been reading ./ |
| 07:06.19 | stouset | oh shit |
| 07:06.25 | stouset | You totally called that one |
| 07:06.38 | stouset | Sorry, somebody posted a link to hot girls: http://www.galaktek.com/bin/chicks.jpg |
| 07:07.07 | stouset | Took me off guard. |
| 07:07.20 | p88 | cafuego: if I have done fakeroot what should I then do? |
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| 07:07.34 | benjamindees | how can I check to see if there's a particular user in this channel (epic) ? |
| 07:07.49 | simonrvn | /names maybe? |
| 07:07.51 | stouset | !seen epic |
| 07:07.52 | dpkg | epic <~epic@195.18.226.253> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 229d 18h 52m 33s ago, saying: 'anyone know where i can get my hands on a default ltsp-kernel-config(.config) for 2.4.26? :)'. |
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| 07:08.32 | Darksher | whats the command to check what kernel you have running? |
| 07:08.44 | stouset | uname -r |
| 07:08.54 | p88 | cafuego: never mind |
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| 07:09.05 | cafuego | p88: Found the .deb? :-) |
| 07:09.09 | p88 | yes |
| 07:09.13 | p88 | and it works |
| 07:09.18 | p88 | great :) |
| 07:09.23 | cafuego | p88: Installing that will set links for the browser plugins. |
| 07:09.32 | p88 | hm |
| 07:09.41 | p88 | but konqueror's one doesn't work |
| 07:09.45 | cafuego | So now firefox will do java. |
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| 07:09.48 | p88 | other time |
| 07:09.56 | cafuego | Just check its prefs. |
| 07:10.02 | p88 | ok |
| 07:10.03 | cafuego | make it re-scan for plugins. |
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| 07:10.52 | yebian | I just run grub config when I want to concatenate a new kernel to the boot list right? |
| 07:11.12 | idnar | at some point my PPPoE connection has stopped automatically reconnecting when the connection drops; I didn't specifically change any of the ppp / pppoe config files, but I'm running sid and upgrade fairly regularly so it's probable that something changed in an upgrade. however, I can't seem to restore the desired behavior; pppd stays running, but never brings the connection up again. any ideas? |
| 07:11.13 | bob2 | karsten_: ah, interesting |
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| 07:14.47 | cafuego | idnar: I've found it tends to die after 40-odd reconnects, no matter how you configure it. |
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| 07:16.25 | takatumi | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=286&slide=13&title=kubuntu+kde+3.4+screenshots they are breeding like rabbits. |
| 07:16.51 | MastrYoda | I have X/fluxbox installed...and I have a shell(bash) and I have fluxbox in ~/.Xclients for my normal user, and I type startx..and I get an error. |
| 07:17.01 | MastrYoda | How can I setup startx so it starts fluxbox? |
| 07:17.11 | abrocadabro | how can I create a mail directory each time I add a user to the system? |
| 07:17.31 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: add it to /usr/local/bin/adduser.local or whatever the proper script is. [man adduser] |
| 07:17.34 | benjamindees | MastrYoda, put it in ~/.xinitrc |
| 07:17.44 | MastrYoda | thanks benjamindees |
| 07:17.45 | cafuego | there we go |
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| 07:18.59 | cafuego | making non-active windows transparent is kind of neet |
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| 07:20.19 | MastrYoda | benjamindees: I just put "fluxbox" in ~/.xinitrc? |
| 07:20.50 | benjamindees | MastrYoda, yup |
| 07:21.14 | benjamindees | MastrYoda, or perhaps a full path |
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| 07:21.59 | memcmememe | greetings friends |
| 07:22.01 | jimbo | !security |
| 07:22.02 | dpkg | security is probably Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your ... |
| 07:22.22 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: I don't have anything under /usr/local/bin/ and I checked man adduser.conf, it didn't mention how I can add mail directory either, is there a package that does it automatically? |
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| 07:22.33 | stouset | You know, I've never really understood something. We tend to get really defensive when people start saying they're compiling something from source, or using vanilla sources, or other variants, and understandably so. But I wonder why so many freaking resources out there start by saying, "fetch the source from blah blah blah mirror, untar, ./configure", etc. I mean, even O'Reilly books do this, and in many cases never even mention package |
| 07:22.51 | tarzeau | this is good: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=142888&cid=11972715 |
| 07:23.14 | stouset | You'd think the first thing anyone *should* say about these things is, "Fetch the package from your distribution's repositories". |
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| 07:23.38 | sttng359 | good evening |
| 07:23.45 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: no, you *make* an adduser.local that makes the directory. If it's under the home directory, you add it to /etc/skel |
| 07:23.46 | stouset | Howdy. |
| 07:23.51 | sttng359 | I have a problem with one of my servers. |
| 07:23.55 | stouset | And that would be? |
| 07:23.59 | sttng359 | It just rebooted randomly? |
| 07:24.12 | sttng359 | I can't figure out what would of caused it. |
| 07:24.19 | jpeg | stouset, do #debian people discourage compiling from source? (i'm new to debian) |
| 07:24.20 | sttng359 | What should I look for? |
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| 07:24.34 | Grub | dmesg？ |
| 07:24.37 | sttng359 | As a debian user, I'd say no. |
| 07:24.41 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: do I put a script which creates the directory under /etc/skel? |
| 07:24.54 | sttng359 | jpeg, Using apt-get source, it's easy to compile |
| 07:25.07 | benjamindees | jpeg, no, but imho they should |
| 07:25.11 | sttng359 | I think apt-get -b source or something does it automatically. |
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| 07:25.38 | jpeg | oh, he was talking about vanilla sources. I wonder why the distinction. |
| 07:25.38 | benjamindees | jpeg, other distros do a good job of encouraging users to work *within* the packaging system |
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| 07:26.40 | benjamindees | Debian packaging just scares the crap out of users who would otherwise be able to handle it |
| 07:27.08 | jpeg | see, to me any packaging system is an abstraction. compiling from vanilla source is ok/preferable if you can read a readme and are willing to satisfy deps yourself. I've done it plenty of times on slack/irix/solaris/sco/tru64. |
| 07:27.11 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: where is this directory that you want to make going to exist? |
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| 07:27.55 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro:it's under each user's home diretcory, ~/$user |
| 07:28.20 | sttng359 | jpeg, I think if at all possible, you should work within the packaging systme |
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| 07:28.36 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: don't worry, I'll figure it out |
| 07:28.38 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: then just add it to /etc/skell |
| 07:28.41 | dondelelcaro | s/ll/l/ |
| 07:28.48 | sttng359 | On redhat, I was compiling from source all the time and removing existing packing ignoring deps so I could do it, |
| 07:28.56 | abrocadabro | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 07:28.58 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: FE, if you wanted /home/foouser/Mailbox; mkdir /etc/skel/Mailbox; |
| 07:29.03 | sttng359 | but pretty soon the packaging system became useless. |
| 07:29.04 | dondelelcaro | abrocadabro: man adduser; will make this rather clear. |
| 07:29.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when you close your powerbook. is it suspending or sleeping? |
| 07:29.14 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: sleeping |
| 07:29.23 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ok to shake it right? (= |
| 07:29.49 | sttng359 | On freebsd/debian/gentoo, it's been much easier, but even on redhat, nowdays if I need to upgrade sendmail I'll modify the source rpm from the current version I have installed. |
| 07:29.54 | Wyzard | jpeg: It's more than an abstraction; it's also an infrastructure |
| 07:29.56 | jimbo | k dumb question say i just installed win4linpro |
| 07:30.02 | sttng359 | It helps a lot. |
| 07:30.07 | jimbo | what command does it use to load up |
| 07:30.35 | Wyzard | jpeg: It's OK to compile stuff from source if you know what you're doing and you're willing to take on the extra maintenance responsibility for keeping your custom-compiled stuff up-to-date |
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| 07:30.41 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah... you can shake it any time the harddrive has stopped. |
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| 07:30.52 | deadcat | cool (= |
| 07:30.53 | stouset | jpeg: Sorry for the late reply. Usually, yes. |
| 07:30.57 | jpeg | sttng359, I'll take your word that's the way to go on redhat. I dont' use it. |
| 07:31.11 | Wyzard | jpeg: but you lose the benefit of the Debian package maintainer's integration work, and things like Debian's alternatives system |
| 07:31.39 | jpeg | hm. again, I'm new to debian, so I'm still exploring that. |
| 07:31.39 | sttng359 | Wyzard, though I do think that it's still best for one to stick within the packaging system when possible, it really helps with management and upgrading. |
| 07:31.42 | Wyzard | jpeg: unless you set those things up manually too, but then you're just duplicating work that would otherwise have been done by a script |
| 07:31.51 | sttng359 | Wyzard, some systems like rh though are more difficult. |
| 07:32.16 | Wyzard | I don't use RH, so I wouldn't know |
| 07:32.58 | stouset | jpeg: When you compile from source, you do as Wyzard said. You voluntarily discard all the effort that the package maintainer has contributed as far as integrating the program better into the system. This includes cosmetic and policy-driven changes, but in many cases and more importantly, bugfixes. |
| 07:33.38 | Wyzard | jpeg: Basically, it's a tradeoff between extra control and extra work, but in my experience, packages usually work well enough that I don't need the extra control, so I avoid the extra work and stick with the packages |
| 07:34.11 | stouset | jpeg: Not to mention you give yourself the extra hassle of having to manually track program updates, you don't get the benefit of backported security updates (you would need to upgrade the entire program, potentially breaking other things, to apply a security patch), and you have to track dependencies on your own. |
| 07:34.12 | jpeg | Wyzard, good points there. |
| 07:34.18 | dondelelcaro | jpeg: even if you need extra control, you can always build your own packages. |
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| 07:34.31 | C17H21NO4 | What "evil magic" does gnome use to mount cd's even though there is no entry in my fstab? |
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| 07:35.01 | Wyzard | C17H21NO4: pmount |
| 07:35.10 | jm_ | hal+pmount |
| 07:36.09 | C17H21NO4 | Is that a gnome thing or a deb thing? |
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| 07:36.16 | stouset | jpeg: Man hours are far, far, far more valuable than any microseconds you might save by a "faster", custom-compiled version. So unless there's a truly compelling reason to compile your own, it's discouraged. Even then, most distributions have an infrastructure for *that*. SRPMS exist for applying your own patches to the distro RPM sources. Debian does a similar thing with apt-src, but is a little less easy to use (in my limited experienc |
| 07:36.19 | jm_ | it's a gnome thing |
| 07:36.31 | mwilson | No, it's a Debian thing. |
| 07:36.32 | stouset | C17H21NO4: GNOME thing. gnome-volume-manager |
| 07:36.48 | mwilson | Raw Gnome uses that fstab mangler whatever-it's-called. |
| 07:36.59 | stouset | mwilson: magicdev? |
| 07:37.03 | MastrYoda | What is the package name in apt-get/sarge for the Xserver? |
| 07:37.05 | C17H21NO4 | hmm...doesn't work with another dist |
| 07:37.13 | MastrYoda | I tried xorg/X-Free86 |
| 07:37.16 | stouset | MastrYoda: xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:37.17 | MastrYoda | and a few other things |
| 07:37.23 | MastrYoda | thanks stouset |
| 07:37.36 | mwilson | Yes, inventing package names at random is, I'm sure, entertaining. |
| 07:37.37 | stouset | MastrYoda: In the future, may I recommend apt-cache search <criteria> |
| 07:37.41 | MastrYoda | stouset: Is there xserver-xorg? |
| 07:37.53 | mwilson | fstab-sync, or whatever they call it. |
| 07:38.01 | MastrYoda | Or sarge doesn't use xorg? |
| 07:38.06 | jpeg | stouset, I come to debian from slackware, where there just aren't packs for software for a lot of things, or I compile for need or preference (building php with gd support, appache with other options). It's not really a performance thing. |
| 07:38.13 | mwilson | MastrYoda: It doesn't. |
| 07:38.13 | sttng359 | if your really looking at custom compiling everything try gentoo. |
| 07:38.17 | benjamindees | MastrYoda, no it doesn't |
| 07:38.20 | Wyzard | MastrYoda: xorg isn't in Debian yet, and probably won't be until after sarge is released |
| 07:38.21 | stouset | MastrYoda: Probably not until after Sarge is released. Few people want to start packaging new things until it's released, because that would mean maintaining three separate versions. |
| 07:38.28 | simonrvn | stouset: me: apt-get source foo. edit debian/rules for the support i want/need (usually adding ldap deps), fakeroot debian/rules binary or debuild, install resulting .deb |
| 07:38.37 | dondelelcaro | jpeg: in most of the cases, in Debian, you can get that added support just by installing different packages. |
| 07:38.38 | jm_ | maybe Debian includes Utopia then, but apparently so does Fedora |
| 07:38.54 | jpeg | that's one thing about debian that I like is available software. |
| 07:39.04 | dondelelcaro | jpeg: most things that have extensions can dlopen() them as appropriate (like php and apache) so you don't have to compile it yourself |
| 07:39.04 | stouset | jpeg: Sure, sure. But in Debian, there is *very* rarely a package you need which isn't available in apt. Slony-1 is the only one I've seen from experience, and that only because it currently needs to be compiled specifically against each version of postgresql |
| 07:39.09 | MastrYoda | o I know why |
| 07:39.16 | stouset | mwilson: never heard of fstab-sync |
| 07:39.20 | Wyzard | jpeg: I've had my system installed for almost 5 years and I use it pretty heavily, and I have maybe 3 non-packaged apps installed |
| 07:39.21 | MastrYoda | The mirrors.kernel.org link doesn't have the xserver-xfree86 package |
| 07:39.28 | MastrYoda | Do only certain mirrors have Xserver? |
| 07:39.39 | simonrvn | no. they all do. |
| 07:39.43 | MastrYoda | hmm |
| 07:39.48 | dondelelcaro | MastrYoda: all debian mirrors have xserver-xfree86. |
| 07:40.01 | mwilson | MastrYoda: Why are you inventing package names at random? |
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| 07:40.11 | Wyzard | jpeg: VMware, Eclipse, and Quake3 |
| 07:40.26 | stouset | simonrvn: Adding flags would be easier in Debian than in SRPMS, then. On the other hand, it's a breeze to make your own specific patches with SRPMS and have them automagically applied in the future. |
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| 07:40.40 | mwilson | MastrYoda: Gods only know what you think installing *only* the server is going to do for you. |
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| 07:40.53 | Wyzard | stouset: There's a tool that lets you build new Debian source packages based on existing ones, but I don't remember what it's called |
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| 07:41.08 | stouset | checkinstall? |
| 07:41.12 | simonrvn | stouset: once that debian diff is made, it isn't hard to make another (set of) .debs from it and the source tarball |
| 07:41.12 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: you just need build-essential, and ideally, fakeroot. |
| 07:41.15 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that's it. |
| 07:41.17 | myren | any channels for SQL? i need to find the three largest #'s in a column... |
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| 07:41.26 | simonrvn | myren: yes |
| 07:41.32 | Wyzard | stouset: If I understand the description correctly, though, the idea is that the original source package remains unmodified, but you can override some of its actions with your custom source package that "imports" the original one |
| 07:41.38 | myren | dont suppose you'd care to actually list them? |
| 07:41.39 | stouset | simonrvn: With SRPMS, you just drop a patchfile into the directory, and edit the .spec file to recognize that patch :-) |
| 07:41.47 | stouset | Wyzard: Neat |
| 07:41.49 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I'm talking about to make a customized version of a package, not just to compile it |
| 07:41.51 | stuart_ | man i had sound configured last night and i can play mp3/flashes etc but today when i run xmms i get Inconsistency detected by ld.so |
| 07:41.51 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that's how all Debian packages are done. There's a .orig.tar.gz, and a diff.gz |
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| 07:42.04 | yxa | myren #mysql #postgresql |
| 07:42.17 | simonrvn | debuild. :) |
| 07:42.20 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: you make your changes, use dpkg-source -b or dpkg-buildpackage to build the .diff.gz |
| 07:42.27 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Right, but if you go changing the .diff.gz and then the original package gets updated, you have to reapply your changes to the new version |
| 07:42.29 | stouset | dondelelcaro: I think he's talking about an .orig.tar.gz, a diff.tar.gz, and a mychanges.tar.gz |
| 07:42.47 | Wyzard | stouset: pretty much... but I haven't used the tool so I don't know the actual mechanics of it |
| 07:42.52 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: no, you don't... you can just use interdiff to get your specific patches, and apply them. |
| 07:42.58 | simonrvn | stouset: there is no mychanges.tar.gz |
| 07:43.11 | stouset | simonrvn: I know. I was speaking conceptually :-) |
| 07:43.13 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I know, but that's still more work than ought to be necessary |
| 07:43.25 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 07:43.37 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: it's one extra command! Hell, if you really know what you're doing, you separate out your patches, and just apply them. |
| 07:43.42 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why? It's no trouble for the clued, and the clueless have no business doing it in the first place. |
| 07:43.57 | Wyzard | debnest... that's the package I had in mind |
| 07:43.58 | stouset | dondelelcaro: And then we get back to the original point...it's pretty easy with a SRPM. Drop the .diff file in a certain directory, and edit the .spec file to recognize it. :-) But that's the only advantage I'd ascribe to anything RedHat based over Debian |
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| 07:44.35 | dondelelcaro | stouset: it's just as easy with a deb package. dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-*; patch -p1 < ../foo.diff; |
| 07:44.37 | gerardocb | Hi people |
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| 07:44.44 | tercerob11 | hello |
| 07:44.45 | gerardocb | I have a very stupid problem |
| 07:44.52 | benjamindees | mwilson, I disagree; introducing the "clueless" to the packaging system, even if it's just a step-by-step howto, helps them to become "clued" |
| 07:45.05 | oskie | what package do i need to install to view M$ Word (.doc) files from the terminal? |
| 07:45.09 | gerardocb | After installing postfix and reinstalling sendmail, I can't make vacation work |
| 07:45.14 | dondelelcaro | oskie: antiword |
| 07:45.15 | stuart_ | whoops was dreaming when i typed adduser wanted to adduser audio and i typed adduser root |
| 07:45.16 | Wyzard | benjamindees: Don't bother; mwilson has strong opinions about clued vs. clueless people |
| 07:45.20 | stouset | oskie: antiword |
| 07:45.23 | gerardocb | No matter what I do, it doesn't work |
| 07:45.36 | stuart_ | how do i remove root from my account |
| 07:45.38 | oskie | dondelelcaro, stouset: so simple. thanks |
| 07:45.46 | gerardocb | I don't know if after the last apt-get install sendmail something happened to vacation |
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| 07:45.48 | toresbe | stuart_: What do you mean? |
| 07:46.01 | gerardocb | I got no errors |
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| 07:46.04 | stuart_ | accidentally typed adduser stuart root instaed of adduser start audio |
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| 07:46.17 | stuart_ | now i wanna remove my account from group root |
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| 07:46.18 | mwilson | gerardocb: It'd be too much trouble for you to actually describe the failure, right? |
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| 07:46.23 | Wyzard | stuart_: "deluser stuart root" should work |
| 07:46.26 | stouset | stuart_: You mistyped it again :-) Someone needs a typing course *grin* |
| 07:46.27 | stuart_ | k thanks |
| 07:46.28 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: vacation is in a separate package... |
| 07:46.33 | Wyzard | stuart_: You can also run "vigr" to edit the group file directly |
| 07:46.42 | stuart_ | just woke up lol |
| 07:46.45 | tuxyRochefort | hi |
| 07:46.45 | karsten | Who maintains wiki.debian.net? I'm getting 403 Forbidden on pages. |
| 07:46.49 | stouset | Haha, has anyone used vigor? |
| 07:47.21 | tuxyRochefort | is it possible to automate installation of packages of several pc (in a firm). like _SMS_ (from microsoft) does ? |
| 07:47.21 | karsten | stouset: It looks like you're trying to write an IRC poll. Can I be of assistance? |
| 07:47.22 | gerardocb | mwilson, mail simply is *not* auto replied... |
| 07:47.28 | stouset | karsten: :-D |
| 07:47.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: see http://wiki.debian.net/?AboutDebianWiki |
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| 07:47.53 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: I'm certain something could be worked out with cron-apt and an apt proxy |
| 07:48.01 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Forbidden |
| 07:48.13 | dondelelcaro | karsten: ivey@debian.org then... ;-) |
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| 07:48.22 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, I used apt-get install vacation to install it |
| 07:48.25 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 07:48.29 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, so nothing really exists that runs out of the box... ok |
| 07:48.36 | gerardocb | But sendmail comes with /usr/lib/sm.bin/vacation.sendmail |
| 07:48.40 | gerardocb | No one works at all |
| 07:48.48 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: That works out of the box :-) |
| 07:48.56 | yxa | gerardocb did you say you installed both postfix and sendmail? |
| 07:48.57 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: you need a client and server...done =P |
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| 07:49.14 | gerardocb | Well, actually that's not possible with apt-get, yxa |
| 07:49.33 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, erm, i need to do scripting too, true ? |
| 07:49.34 | cafuego | gerardocb: it is. |
| 07:49.35 | gerardocb | If you do an apt-get install postfix, sendmail gets deleted (or replaced by postfix) |
| 07:49.44 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: I don't see why you would |
| 07:49.53 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Editing a few config files maybe, but nothing more |
| 07:49.58 | cafuego | gerardocb: You use some funky --force optiosn to dpkg and you can get a fucked-up system. |
| 07:50.11 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: and you're calling vacation in your ~/.procmail? |
| 07:50.15 | gerardocb | cafuego: hahaha... well... I didn't to that |
| 07:50.28 | mwilson | gerardocb: And so, you actually configured vacation properly? |
| 07:50.41 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, I'm using vacation from inside .forward |
| 07:50.46 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, do you know a good doc to do precisly this ? (not documentation of apt-proxy and cron-apt plz ) |
| 07:51.00 | gerardocb | .forward => \myuser, "|/usr/bin/vacation myuser" |
| 07:51.14 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Nope, sorry. Their documentation should include enough information, though. |
| 07:51.26 | cafuego | gerardocb: Did you init the vacation database and create a vacation message, like the manpage says you should? |
| 07:51.29 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: ok, and is /var/log/mail.err saying anything of utility? |
| 07:51.32 | gerardocb | mwilson, vacation is configured properly (vacation -I, vacation) |
| 07:51.34 | yxa | gerardocb mail logs say anything? |
| 07:51.45 | genix | I search for a program that lets me store and arrange all my passwords, user IDs, and related information stored on a encrypted file which can be protected by a password, any recommendations? |
| 07:51.54 | cafuego | gerardocb: gnupg |
| 07:52.01 | cafuego | grr |
| 07:52.04 | cafuego | genix: gnupg |
| 07:52.14 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, i already used apt-proxy. can you tell me what does cron-apt in few words ? |
| 07:52.18 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, nothing... last I get is: Mar 18 00:29:11 ac-correo sendmail[10994]: j2I7TARt010978: to="|vacation gcontrer", ctladdr=<gcontrer@auma.com.mx> (1000/100), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=121019, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent |
| 07:52.32 | jm_ | genix: you can use gpa or tkpgp as a front-end to gpg, I prefer tkpgp |
| 07:52.33 | gerardocb | cafuego, ??? |
| 07:52.43 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: it uh...cron's apt. |
| 07:53.03 | gerardocb | vacation was working fine *before* I replaced sendmail with postfix |
| 07:53.19 | gerardocb | after I returned to sendmail, it stopped working. |
| 07:53.29 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, yeap but what the difference with a standard cron with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade inside ? does it do the same ? |
| 07:53.36 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: hrm... that sure looks like it sent it to vacation... is vacation in /etc/mail/smrsh/? |
| 07:53.48 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Some error handling, etc. |
| 07:53.52 | genix | jm_: could not find it on apt |
| 07:54.02 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, vacation -> /usr/bin/vacation |
| 07:54.03 | tuxyRochefort | ok, thanks for info stouset |
| 07:54.20 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: ok, that all looks fine to me... and how have you been testing vacation? |
| 07:54.28 | genix | jm_, Do I have to compile it myself? |
| 07:54.35 | jm_ | genix: no, it's in contrib |
| 07:54.40 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, sending some email to this account... |
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| 07:54.54 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: with different from addresses? |
| 07:55.03 | C17H21NO4 | How can I get screen to play nice with all apps? Some will display graphic chars while others do not. They work fine outside of screen, so it must be screen, right? |
| 07:55.20 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Just configure apt-proxy to not actually fetch from other servers, and populate it with "known-good" packages only |
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| 07:55.25 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, ummm... actually, nope... do you think it could make a difference? |
| 07:55.44 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: yes. man vacation; vacation will only send one reply to each address it sees, once a week. |
| 07:55.46 | sanxiyn | BitMover invented new open source license, and released a BitKeeper client (which allows syncing only) under it. |
| 07:55.47 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, but, i doesn't do exalty what i want : i'd like to install _new_ software (like SMS from microsoft does), not just only upgrade. So how could i do that ? |
| 07:55.55 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, oh! |
| 07:55.56 | jm_ | gen: you will still need to generate your own key for it to work, but there's plenty of information about how to do that |
| 07:55.59 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: There's not the extra management features provided by some of those enterprise products, like pushing upgrades, having a "testing" group, etc., but for a free solution it works. |
| 07:56.02 | sanxiyn | I don't sure why everybody invents their own license. |
| 07:56.02 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, let me see |
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| 07:56.27 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: Before you allow new software to be installed by your organization, test it out then put it into the apt-proxy cache. |
| 07:56.46 | stouset | sanxiyn: Because everyone has their own specific terms that they want to release code upon? |
| 07:56.54 | sanxiyn | stouset: Oh sure. |
| 07:56.56 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 07:57.00 | stouset | sanxiyn: Maybe I want anyone who uses my code to give proper thanks to my cat. |
| 07:57.15 | tuxyRochefort | stouset, i undestand that, but how to tell all the client to install new software (without of course running apt-stuff by hand on each client) ? |
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| 07:57.34 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: aah....... |
| 07:57.40 | tuxyRochefort | :) |
| 07:58.23 | dondelelcaro | tuxyRochefort: couple of different ways. Local mirror with cron-apt is a good choice, another way is to send out --get-selections lists from time to time and use dpkg --set-selections |
| 07:58.38 | stouset | tuxyRochefort: I'd guess that something like what you need already exists, either free or commercial. If not, it shouldn't be *too* hard to write a few shell scripts to automate everything for you. It could be deceptively difficult, but it doesn't seem like the sort of problem that would be. |
| 07:58.59 | genix | jm_, is tkpgp not free? |
| 07:59.12 | benjamindees | tuxyRochefort, what you're asking for is so ridiculously simple to script that no one has bothered to turn it into a GUI that runs "out of the box" |
| 07:59.20 | jm_ | genix: it is free |
| 07:59.31 | stouset | benjamindees: I don't know about *that*... |
| 07:59.37 | sanxiyn | jm_: Why is it on contrib? |
| 07:59.41 | stouset | benjamindees: Someone scripted dos2unix :-) |
| 07:59.54 | stouset | benjamindees: Sounds like the perfect sort of thing for someone to package. Hell, I might do it myself... |
| 07:59.57 | jm_ | sanxiyn: because it depends on non-free packages? |
| 07:59.57 | benjamindees | stouset, he want's to ssh into a bunch of boxes and run apt-get install $foo |
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| 08:00.22 | cafuego | oops, my knife accidentally fell into your eye |
| 08:00.27 | stouset | benjamindees: He's probably thinking more along the lines of a daemon that sits on clients waiting for a push, that then installs the software requested |
| 08:00.37 | stouset | benjamindees: or the upgrade |
| 08:00.38 | stuart_ | crap, does anyone know why my sound could work one day and not today |
| 08:00.39 | cafuego | stouset: rsync? |
| 08:00.43 | sanxiyn | jm_: It depends on tk8.3, gnupg | pgp | pgp5i. |
| 08:00.49 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes, and pgp is non-free |
| 08:00.57 | stouset | cafuego: on a higher level |
| 08:00.59 | sanxiyn | jm_: gnupg is listed as alternative dependency. |
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| 08:01.06 | jm_ | sanxiyn: that doesn't matter AFAIK |
| 08:01.10 | sanxiyn | jm_: Huh? |
| 08:01.10 | stuart_ | it says cannot open shared file when i open xmms and shows 3 .so files, then it says inconsitency detected by ld.so |
| 08:01.16 | cafuego | stouset: Hmmyeah, he can easily do it via ssh. |
| 08:01.21 | sanxiyn | jm_: How can be *any* Java thing in main, then? |
| 08:01.25 | cafuego | stouset: The trick is the config files. |
| 08:01.33 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, I got two issues... |
| 08:01.39 | gerardocb | first: SYSERR(gcontrer): collect: Cannot write ./dfj2I80Cwp011654 (bfcommit, uid=1000, gid=104): Permission denied |
| 08:01.43 | genix | jm_, what is contrib, I know I have to add it in source.list, just checking |
| 08:01.44 | sanxiyn | jm_: If with alternative dependency all dependencies can be satisfied in main, it should be in main. |
| 08:01.54 | benjamindees | stouset, that's because he's expecting Debian to do things the same retarded way that MS does |
| 08:02.03 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: you need to make the db first, and set the permisions appropriately... |
| 08:02.04 | stouset | benjamindees: presumably it should also support the ability to deploy packages to groups based upon various criteria, as well as allow testing deployments, and easily "check off" working software. Maybe integrate with apt-listbugs, too, to help automate the verification procedure. |
| 08:02.14 | jm_ | sanxiyn: don't ask me, you should talk to Debian developers about it, I am not familiar with all the internals (like you have already noticed anyway) |
| 08:02.24 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, I ran vacation -i -r 0 |
| 08:02.31 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, not enough? |
| 08:02.35 | cafuego | sanxiyn: If that were true, java-package would have to be in main too. |
| 08:02.35 | tuxyRochefort | dondelelcaro, do you mean local mirror with apt-proxy then cron-apt to get client updated. But how does it works if i want to install a new software on all machines of the firm ? |
| 08:02.52 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, actually I did rm -rf .vacation* |
| 08:03.03 | stouset | benjamindees: Well, he's expecting Debian to provide a wholly-useful service that Microsoft provides in a wholly-lacking way. The concept isn't necessarily tied to a poor implementation. |
| 08:03.04 | sanxiyn | cafuego: Like flashplugin-nonfree (which is just an installer) ? |
| 08:03.05 | jm_ | genix: it's a section where packages that are free, but that depend on non-free packages, go |
| 08:03.05 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: then you ran vacation -i -r 0;? |
| 08:03.09 | gerardocb | yeah |
| 08:03.14 | benjamindees | stouset, all of that is possible with the packaging system and a relatively simple script |
| 08:03.21 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: well, the permisions may be wrong for the vacation db or something... |
| 08:03.23 | cafuego | sanxiyn: That's ugly i386-only software |
| 08:03.31 | dondelelcaro | gerardocb: I'm not all that familiar with vacation, having never bothered to use it |
| 08:03.34 | cafuego | sanxiyn: That shouldn't be in ANY debian tree |
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| 08:03.48 | stouset | benjamindees: a script that would benefit from being packaged, rather than independently developed by 400 separate, non-collaborating parties |
| 08:03.57 | sanxiyn | cafuego: But my point is, if tkpgp actually works with gnupg, it's unlike java-package. |
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| 08:04.18 | tuxyRochefort | i just saw _SMS_ deploying software yesterday, and WOW, it was _impressive_ ! |
| 08:04.23 | sanxiyn | cafuego: It's more like (say) junit, which depends kaffe | java1-runtime | java2-runtime. |
| 08:04.36 | benjamindees | stouset, believe me, what SMS lacks in its design is precisely based upon it being an afterthought rather than a "by-design" feature |
| 08:04.40 | dondelelcaro | tuxyRochefort: to install new packages, you can just use dpkg --set-selections; and then you can have the clients run apt-get dselect-upgrade or whatever automatically. |
| 08:05.08 | benjamindees | tuxyRochefort, I've seen the pricetag for SMS, which is also impressive |
| 08:05.10 | dondelelcaro | tuxyRochefort: although, you may also want to consider having most clients using NFS mounts with the software located centrally |
| 08:05.14 | gerardocb | dondelelcaro, ok... thank you very much, anyway! |
| 08:05.15 | C17H21NO4 | SMS causes /me more problems than it is worth. |
| 08:05.19 | stouset | benjamindees: In fact, it sounds like an entirely not-bad idea. I'm already working on a few projects, but might have to add that as one of them. I'll probably be easier than my other two: a tool for allowing design by contract attributes in .NET code (for mono), and an administration tool for OpenLDAP to manage DNS info, Samba user accounts, etc., similarly to Active Directory |
| 08:05.28 | jm_ | sanxiyn: the policy is not too clear about this |
| 08:05.30 | tuxyRochefort | dondelelcaro, what's the better way to push dpkg --get-selections on each clients ? exports (nfs) ? |
| 08:05.42 | dondelelcaro | tuxyRochefort: it really depends... |
| 08:06.40 | tuxyRochefort | benjamindees, yeap your are right, but it's so easy to maintain lots of pc ... |
| 08:06.41 | benjamindees | stouset, whatever you come up with will presumably be far more powerful, and more difficult to use, than SMS, which defeats the purpose to a business just wanting to replace two admins with one |
| 08:06.49 | stouset | benjamindees: Of course, nobody would ever use such a thing because everything needs to be compiled from vanilla sources, remember? ;) |
| 08:06.51 | sanxiyn | It seems it's in contrib for no obvious reason. |
| 08:07.01 | nagual | damn i hate that fucking thing. |
| 08:07.05 | jm_ | in particular, it doesn't cover the scenario where it depends on free or non-free packages, I guess it goes by "the worst wins" rule |
| 08:07.10 | genix | jm_, Ex: I have "deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main" it is just to change it to "deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib", right? |
| 08:07.11 | stouset | benjamindees: Nah, I prefer easy-to-use software :-P |
| 08:07.13 | nagual | erm. sorry for the language, just venting some frustration |
| 08:07.21 | sanxiyn | genix: Yes. |
| 08:07.21 | stouset | benjamindees: In short, I'm a GNOME guy rather than KDE. |
| 08:07.26 | jm_ | genix: yes |
| 08:07.32 | stouset | benjamindees: Conceptually (and literally, I guess) speaking. |
| 08:07.35 | stuart_ | are there any other good small simple mp3 players |
| 08:07.45 | stouset | stuart_: cat |
| 08:07.48 | stuart_ | xmms seems to have a problem, my flash player still gives sounds |
| 08:07.51 | dondelelcaro | stouset: like mpg321? |
| 08:07.52 | deadcat | stuart_: cplay/playmp3list |
| 08:07.56 | stuart_ | stouset, cat is the package name? |
| 08:08.09 | stouset | stuart_: cat is the name of the binary. "cat file.mp3 > /dev/dsp" |
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| 08:08.13 | stuart_ | oh yea, it needs to be able to stream from sites that provide winamp streaming tho |
| 08:08.20 | genix | jm_, even on "deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" ? |
| 08:08.39 | stouset | stuart_: Simplest, lightest mp3 player around. Can also play any other type of file, like .wav, .wma, .txt., .doc, .ppt... |
| 08:08.43 | yebian | what purpose does initrd serve? |
| 08:08.43 | hlp_me | how soon do you think new kde will be in debian? |
| 08:08.52 | Grub | stuart_,have a try to add your account to audio group? |
| 08:08.59 | stuart_ | Grub, yep |
| 08:09.02 | stouset | yebian: you don't have to have critical modules like ide support compiled into your kernel statically |
| 08:09.22 | yebian | stouset: I dont understand. |
| 08:09.36 | stouset | yebian: So theoretically you could copy the hard drive's contents from an IDE drive to a SCSI or SATA drive and still have it work out of the box |
| 08:09.40 | sanxiyn | stouset: Hahahaha |
| 08:09.43 | stuart_ | i did the cat file.mp3 > /dev/dsp and the only sound that came out was static |
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| 08:09.47 | jm_ | genix: the second yes, the first is up to you and whether you will need sources from contrib |
| 08:09.55 | lintonx | hello all |
| 08:09.56 | stouset | yebian: you could do this by statically compiling in scsi, ide, sata, etc., support, but then you've got that in the kernel when you don't need it |
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| 08:10.15 | genix | jm_, ok |
| 08:10.16 | sanxiyn | stouset: "Playing" text with cat. |
| 08:10.16 | stouset | stuart_: it's working as normal, then |
| 08:10.33 | genix | jm_, do you set contrib and non-free on deb-src? |
| 08:10.33 | stouset | sanxiyn: He just said he wanted it to play. Nothing about decoding the format :-) |
| 08:10.47 | yebian | stouset: so you're telling me that I could compile crits as modules and they will be loaded via ramdisk upon boot? |
| 08:10.49 | stuart_ | stouset, ? how'd i play the mp3 then |
| 08:10.58 | stouset | stuart_: It was a joke, of sorts. /dev/dsp is just the filename representation of your soundcard. you essentially just sent an mp3, bit for bit, into your sound card's audio buffer |
| 08:11.00 | jm_ | genix: I personally include all sections everywhere |
| 08:11.03 | sanxiyn | stuart_: With suitable mp3 decoders. |
| 08:11.04 | stouset | stuart_: It "played" the mp3 just fine |
| 08:11.05 | deadcat | stuart_: cplay or playmp3list. ap-get them |
| 08:11.14 | stouset | stuart_: It just doesn't decode it before hand |
| 08:11.14 | genix | jm_, ok |
| 08:11.15 | lintonx | my notebook is hang with the error, Interrupt Handler - not syncing |
| 08:11.18 | stuart_ | getting cplay |
| 08:11.27 | genix | jm_, and I can set non-free on each section? |
| 08:11.29 | stuart_ | gotta love debians packaging system |
| 08:11.35 | deadcat | playmp3list seems more friendly to me |
| 08:11.54 | stouset | yebian: Well, preferably you would just install the prepackaged kernel which uses initrd |
| 08:11.54 | sanxiyn | Hail rhythmbox. |
| 08:11.56 | jm_ | genix: once again, it's up to you :) |
| 08:12.00 | clojster | I need to get WACOM tablet to work under Debian... how to configure XF86Config??? |
| 08:12.13 | yebian | stouset: why preferably? |
| 08:12.20 | stuart_ | eh, when i ran cplay and chose a song, it said "player not found" |
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| 08:12.24 | stouset | yebian: because there's rarely, rarely, rarely a need to compile your own kernel |
| 08:12.25 | idealbsd | I install login.app then remove it, but i can't change ttys and there is just tty1? |
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| 08:12.32 | sanxiyn | !tell clojster about wacom |
| 08:12.33 | genix | jm_, I know, just asked if it was possible<-- to set non-free on each section |
| 08:12.44 | yebian | stouset: yeah but its fun and it makes life easy for my "usually" |
| 08:12.54 | jm_ | genix: yes |
| 08:13.07 | jm_ | gen: you can run apt-setup and it will ask you about it |
| 08:13.11 | stouset | yebian: Makes like easy? Easier than? apt-get install kernel-image-686? =P |
| 08:13.12 | jm_ | genix ^^^^^^^ |
| 08:13.25 | yebian | stouset: yeah |
| 08:13.31 | genix | jm_, =) |
| 08:13.37 | sanxiyn | jm_: Really? |
| 08:13.38 | stouset | yebian: If you want to go right ahead. But it's a lot easier to just use the prepackaged one. Works in virtually every case. |
| 08:13.46 | genix | jm_, thanks buddy |
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| 08:13.48 | sanxiyn | jm_: apt-setup asks about whether to include contrib/non-free? |
| 08:14.05 | stouset | yebian: It also prevents the SNAFU of you forgetting modules, etc. |
| 08:14.21 | yebian | stouset: no modules |
| 08:14.25 | yebian | ever |
| 08:14.31 | stouset | yebian: Why? That's silly. |
| 08:14.58 | stouset | yebian: There's no discernable speed improvement, and it fucks you if you ever want to change hardware. |
| 08:15.05 | sanxiyn | jm_: It doesn't. |
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| 08:15.25 | yebian | stouset: its smooth as silk for me after all the make bzImage bs is finishted. |
| 08:15.34 | stouset | yebian: Oh crap, I just bought a new video card! I'm screwed! Argh, I forgot to compile usb-storage in, so now I have to recompile to use my camera! |
| 08:15.39 | benjamindees | it's easier to manage, and if you don't have a rescue disk, you're fucked anyways; same argument re: lilo v. grub |
| 08:15.40 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes |
| 08:15.47 | sanxiyn | jm_: ? |
| 08:15.52 | stouset | yebian: Until you buy a new sound card, or a new removable drive, or something like that. |
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| 08:16.04 | jm_ | sanxiyn: ! |
| 08:16.13 | sanxiyn | jm_: What yes? apt-setup doesn't ask that. |
| 08:16.16 | yebian | stouset: that stuff is easy. one component I just recompile make menuconfig and I have the parts I need. |
| 08:16.28 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes it does and it stores the answer in debconf's database |
| 08:16.34 | sanxiyn | jm_: (I'm using Debconf priority medium, as sane people do.) |
| 08:16.37 | sanxiyn | jm_: No. |
| 08:16.37 | stouset | yebian: versus *not having to do anything at all* |
| 08:16.46 | stouset | yebian: the prepackaged kernel is just easier, period. It's less time-consuming, less error-prone, far more well-tested (configuration-wise), and far more "future-proof". |
| 08:16.55 | sanxiyn | jm_: Try it yourself. apt-setup doesn't ask that (in medium priority, which is sane) |
| 08:16.55 | stouset | yebian: and it upgrades automatically with the rest of the system. |
| 08:16.57 | genix | I have /etc.tar.bz2 and I have no memory that I put it there or that I've seen it before, can I saftley remove it? |
| 08:17.01 | jm_ | sanxiyn: look, why don't you check the script instead of questioning me |
| 08:17.13 | sanxiyn | jm_: My point is, it's low priority question. |
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| 08:17.27 | sanxiyn | (In Sarge and Sid today) |
| 08:17.47 | omi | problem with default kernel if you want to apply some patch which sometimes happents |
| 08:17.48 | lintonx | i have just installed Woody r4. the installation was successful, and i can use KDE. However, after reboot I have "Interrupt handler - not syncing" and my notebook is frozen. Anyone can help please. |
| 08:17.52 | yebian | stouset: apt-get upgrade/dist is exactly why I do it. There's only been one greater pain in the ass for me and it wasn't Linux fault. |
| 08:17.54 | rixth | Go BitchX via SSH. |
| 08:17.55 | stouset | yebian: those things aren't up for debate :-P You can still say you'd prefer to do it or whatever, but it's not even fathomable to argue that it's easier to compile from source :-P |
| 08:18.03 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes, it depends on other debconf settings whether the question will be shown or not |
| 08:18.18 | yebian | stouset: none the less I prefer it. |
| 08:18.22 | C17H21NO4 | stouset: I compile mine just for the bootsplash patch, and I can't think of a better reason. ;) |
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| 08:18.27 | stouset | yebian: Great. Just don't argue that it's easier :-) |
| 08:18.58 | MastrYoda | What is a good gui burning program?(not k3b) |
| 08:18.59 | sanxiyn | <jm_> gen: you can run apt-setup and it will ask you about it |
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| 08:19.07 | sanxiyn | Is therefore false. Well, sorry for nitpicking. |
| 08:19.30 | MastrYoda | stouset: Any ideas? |
| 08:19.33 | nomad_cz | MastrYoda: Nero ? ;) |
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| 08:19.40 | MastrYoda | hehe |
| 08:19.42 | MastrYoda | Not nero either |
| 08:19.50 | MastrYoda | I'm not putting that on my system. |
| 08:19.57 | MastrYoda | I don't trust ahead. |
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| 08:20.01 | nomad_cz | MastrYoda: Neither am I ;) |
| 08:20.09 | stouset | MostrYoda: Actually, k3b is one of the few KDE programs I actually use. It works better than Nautilus' built-in burning support, which seems especially prone to breakage. |
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| 08:20.19 | MastrYoda | stouset: It runs so slow though |
| 08:20.21 | MastrYoda | I agree it's great.. |
| 08:20.26 | MastrYoda | But it has to load kdelibs |
| 08:20.28 | MastrYoda | and it's just slow |
| 08:20.31 | jm_ | it's not false on my system and one everyone else's who cares about careful configuration, but I will try to add ", depending on your debconf settings" to my advice about using apt-setup in the future |
| 08:20.35 | nomad_cz | MastrYoda: On other hand I like Nero on MS Win ;) |
| 08:20.35 | MastrYoda | My system can't handle it. |
| 08:20.43 | idealbsd | I install login.app then remove it, but there is just tty1 can use now and the inittab without any strange? |
| 08:20.56 | stouset | yebian: My stance has always been that time is far more valuable than anything else, since so little of it is available. I'd rather do something useful than sit around wondering whether or I compiled the right modules, fixing on-boot kernel panics, going through menuconfig, and waiting for the compile to finish. Life is too short to spend wasting on stuff that people have already done for me. |
| 08:21.09 | sanxiyn | jm_: By the way, I think that question should be at least medium priority... but I can understand if developers don't want to do that. |
| 08:21.16 | stuart_ | hm, sounds pretty blunt.. is there another mp3 player with an equalizer ? |
| 08:21.25 | stouset | stuart_: xmms? |
| 08:21.27 | yebian | stouset: who says I wonder. Either it works or it doesnt. |
| 08:21.34 | stouset | stuart_: I personally hate the damn thing, but a lot of people prefer it. |
| 08:21.38 | stuart_ | stouset, xmms causing problems on my pc :( won't start etc. |
| 08:21.41 | genix | jm_, tkpgp was a front-end to what? |
| 08:21.46 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes, me too ;) |
| 08:21.58 | stouset | yebian: And if it doesn't, that's even more time wasted :-) |
| 08:21.58 | jm_ | genix: apt-cache show tkpgp |
| 08:21.59 | omi | Would anyone know how to split web traffic from local network (100 mbps) onto several incoming lines (10 mbps)? |
| 08:22.20 | nomad_cz | MastrYoda: What about X-CdRoast ? |
| 08:22.31 | stouset | stuart_: rhythmbox? |
| 08:22.41 | nomad_cz | MastrYoda: I have not used it myself thought ;) |
| 08:22.41 | stuart_ | okay have gotta try that |
| 08:22.44 | omi | in my scenario there is a box connected to each 10 mbps line with 2 nics |
| 08:22.48 | stouset | stuart_: Or, you could always learn to love the soothing sounds of uncompressed mp3s playing directly on your sound card through cat |
| 08:22.57 | stuart_ | any idea how i'd play streaming mp3 from websites with playmp3list though |
| 08:22.58 | omi | haha |
| 08:23.10 | stuart_ | stouset, haha yea that rocks |
| 08:23.11 | stouset | stuart_: It's similar to iTunes. I like it, but I'm a sucker for a consistent user interface which is why I usually limit myself religiously to GTK2 apps. |
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| 08:23.57 | stouset | stuart_: At least cat doesn't lock you into a few sound formats. Like I said before, you can play .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .wma, .flac, .txt, .rtf, .so, .deb, etc :-) |
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| 08:24.18 | sanxiyn | stouset: Well, it's getting less funny... |
| 08:24.24 | omi | you can also play psaux device |
| 08:24.36 | omi | sound formats are so overrated |
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| 08:25.04 | MastrYoda | Is graveman not in the sarge official repositories? |
| 08:25.23 | stuart_ | hm, i can't play mp3 and have sound effects on flash at the same time? |
| 08:25.24 | genix | jm_, "Tcl/Tk script that serves as a GUI shell for PGP or GnuPG" do I have to get PGP or GnuPG? |
| 08:25.32 | stouset | sanxiyn: Familiar with calculus? lim_{t%24->24} funny(t) = 0 |
| 08:25.33 | benjamindees | omi, you want to share a 100mbit connection between ten webservers? |
| 08:25.40 | jm_ | genix: get gnupg |
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| 08:26.28 | MastrYoda | Is GnomeBaker not in the sarge official repositories? |
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| 08:26.49 | omi | benjamindees, no the opposite in fact, I have 3 10 mbps lines that I want to combine into one interface |
| 08:26.57 | stouset | Loose translation: the longer I'm up, the more I make people want to stick their heads in a microwave. |
| 08:26.59 | ix | aah, bonfing. |
| 08:27.04 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: Correct. It's not there, yet. |
| 08:27.11 | genix | jm_, what is the dif between gnupg and pgp? |
| 08:27.21 | stouset | omi: Um, if i'm understanding you right, that's not really possible...... |
| 08:27.22 | benjamindees | omi, to share between multiple servers? |
| 08:27.24 | briareus | pgpg isnt gnu |
| 08:27.32 | stuart_ | oh yeah, hw'd i check how much HD space i have left? |
| 08:27.42 | ix | df -h |
| 08:27.49 | omi | ix, not exactly bonding because the machines that are connected to 10 mbps lines need to route it to the main router which should combine them (I do not want to have a box with 5 nics) |
| 08:27.55 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: See #293785 |
| 08:28.07 | stouset | omi: You're talking about demultiplexing a normal ethernet connection onto three separate network cables? |
| 08:28.10 | benjamindees | omi, okay, one server, three lines, easy enough |
| 08:28.16 | genix | briareus, pgpg? you mean pgp, right? |
| 08:28.27 | briareus | yes |
| 08:28.30 | benjamindees | omi, round robin dns is the best way |
| 08:28.33 | briareus | its late |
| 08:28.39 | jm_ | genix: apt-cache show gnupg pgp5i |
| 08:28.45 | omi | DESKTOPS->main router ->3 routers->each small router has 10 mbps line up/down |
| 08:28.46 | stouset | Alright folks, I'm hitting the sack. |
| 08:28.48 | stouset | G'nite. |
| 08:29.04 | benjamindees | omi, unless they're stateful connections, in which case you're screwed |
| 08:29.10 | stouset | omi: netfilter and bandwidth shaping might be your best bet |
| 08:29.17 | omi | desktops need to be only concerned to send packets to main router |
| 08:29.18 | MastrYoda | sanxiyn: But it will be there soon? |
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| 08:29.24 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: Yes. |
| 08:29.36 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: Well, perhaps not released with Sarge. I don't know. |
| 08:29.49 | omi | I'm not concerned about stateful connections, but rather if you need to load a website with many things they get pulled from all lines |
| 08:29.52 | stouset | omi: or static rules such as HTTP traffic going through router 1, etc. |
| 08:30.02 | stouset | omi: Not possible. |
| 08:30.07 | crackhead | I just set up a raid 1 and /proc/mdstat shows it is resync'ing...how often does it do this? |
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| 08:30.11 | benjamindees | omi, oh, now you're talking about the other end of the connection |
| 08:30.17 | stouset | omi: Not possible in the least. |
| 08:30.20 | yangfan | hello |
| 08:30.31 | stouset | omi: When you connect to a webserver, everything goes over that 1 TCP/IP connection. |
| 08:30.31 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: Unofficial (soon to be official) package here: |
| 08:30.33 | sanxiyn | MastrYoda: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/debian/packages/gnomebaker/ |
| 08:30.55 | stouset | omi: Not possible in any way shape or form with our current protocols to "split" that one TCP/IP connection over multiple uplinks. |
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| 08:31.20 | omi | I was thinking of something like a proxy (if there's one written for this purpose) that does multipart download but those downloads are split over many lines |
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| 08:31.27 | crackhead | strange that the raid has already done a resync just a little while ago |
| 08:31.29 | benjamindees | stouset, surely different objects could be pulled on different lines |
| 08:31.32 | RabidGoblin | hey grub doesn't come up on start up what can i use to load debian? |
| 08:31.36 | stouset | omi: You can certainly get it so that when person A opens a site, it goes out on a random interface. When person B browses another site, it goes out on another random interface. |
| 08:31.51 | stouset | benjamindees: No way shape or form, it goes over a single TCP/IP pipelined connection |
| 08:32.06 | stouset | benjamindees: You don't connect to the webserver multiple times to grab multiple parts; just once. |
| 08:32.24 | stuart_ | so anyone know how i'd be able to play streaming mp3 with playmp3list? |
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| 08:32.36 | idis | stouset: http/1.1 that is |
| 08:32.39 | stouset | benjamindees: That's why images pulled off the web load sequentially rather than in parallell |
| 08:32.40 | servermastah | heyhoo dudos |
| 08:32.49 | omi | stouset, I'm not talking about splitting tcpconnection, lets say some website have 20 images that need loading, a web browser can connect for each immage |
| 08:32.50 | servermastah | anyone help me to get my server up and running? |
| 08:32.58 | stouset | omi: But it doesn't work that wya |
| 08:32.59 | benjamindees | stouset, not in dillo they don't :p |
| 08:33.08 | servermastah | i wanna make it like this: people can log into my server via network |
| 08:33.10 | stouset | benjamindees: In every other browser they do =P |
| 08:33.10 | omi | (sorry I forgot to add that I have a squid on the main router for caching) |
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| 08:33.20 | servermastah | eg: those who are at the same building with me, they could log on |
| 08:33.22 | servermastah | anyone knows? |
| 08:33.44 | briareus | servermastah> setup openssh-server, and let them ssh into user accounts |
| 08:33.55 | omi | ok, lets try a different question: is it possible ot make squid or some other proxy do multipart download? |
| 08:33.56 | benjamindees | omi, that's a good idea, I was about to suggest that but my cue button doesn't work :) |
| 08:33.57 | briareus | but make sure you learn how to make it safe, put em in jails |
| 08:34.05 | yangfan | 大家好呀 |
| 08:34.10 | servermastah | briareus: i dont want to use ssh, let me explain, downstairs are terminal 286 computers, they can use telnet but no ssh |
| 08:34.25 | servermastah | briareus: i want em to telnet to my computer and log in on their accounts, is it possible? |
| 08:34.26 | briareus | what the? |
| 08:34.30 | briareus | \who would set that up? |
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| 08:34.38 | briareus | yeah, but why telnet when you can ssh |
| 08:34.55 | stouset | omi: It may be possible, but not likely. At any rate, what is the problem you are *actually* trying to solve? |
| 08:35.02 | servermastah | briareus: becoz, cant use ssh downstairs, no ssh client and cant download |
| 08:35.05 | servermastah | briareus: plain telnett |
| 08:35.06 | sanxiyn | Poor David Schmitt, I sincerely sympathise. |
| 08:35.14 | jm_ | servermastah: so install telnet server then |
| 08:35.16 | briareus | why cant ssh downstairs? |
| 08:35.29 | briareus | there are free ssh clients for windows like putty |
| 08:35.31 | stouset | omi: "Having every part of a webpage downloaded over the three connections" isn't a problem; it's your solution to an underlying problem. |
| 08:35.32 | servermastah | jm_: how how, thats why im asking here |
| 08:35.35 | sanxiyn | Hail SSH glorious king. |
| 08:35.36 | stouset | omi: What is it you're *really* trying to do. |
| 08:35.42 | jm_ | servermastah: do you know how to install packages in Debian? |
| 08:35.44 | servermastah | briareus: there is no windows it is "terminal" computer, 286 |
| 08:35.44 | omi | stouset, I have many 10 mbps lines I want to combine them so that when people download things it gets bounced to different lines |
| 08:35.48 | servermastah | jm_: yepyep |
| 08:35.59 | jm_ | servermastah: do you know how to search for packages in Debian? |
| 08:36.00 | servermastah | jm_: how big is the package? |
| 08:36.03 | servermastah | jm_: yepyep |
| 08:36.05 | w00dst0ck | Anyone here notice a an annoying bug with Gaim opening gedit for email notifications? |
| 08:36.05 | omi | that was just an example for one user |
| 08:36.08 | sanxiyn | servermastah: Then do that. |
| 08:36.09 | jm_ | servermastah: so apt-cache search telnet server |
| 08:36.23 | omi | but if there are more users it would be nice to have things going on different lines |
| 08:36.24 | servermastah | jm_: yepyep ty |
| 08:36.25 | benjamindees | omi, there used to be a router that claimed to do what you're trying to do |
| 08:36.26 | sanxiyn | jm_: Eh, that prints a bit too much. |
| 08:36.28 | servermastah | jm_: i tought its more difficult |
| 08:36.34 | stouset | omi: Just downloading? Be *as generic as possible* while still remaining in the scope of your problem |
| 08:36.34 | sanxiyn | servermastah: Install telnetd. |
| 08:36.38 | jm_ | servermastah: no, it's that easy |
| 08:36.39 | omi | benjamindees, AMAZING! |
| 08:36.45 | stouset | omi: Are you really trying to "distribute load amongst the three uplinks equally"? |
| 08:36.48 | servermastah | tyty hf gl cya |
| 08:36.54 | omi | DOWNLINKS |
| 08:36.54 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 08:36.56 | omi | DOWNLINKS |
| 08:37.07 | jm_ | sanxiyn: yes, but it's still trivial to find the relevant ones and they learn how to use apt-cache |
| 08:37.14 | sanxiyn | jm_: Indeed. |
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| 08:37.35 | sanxiyn | (Don't give fish teach how to fish et cetra) |
| 08:37.35 | stouset | omi: It's an "uplink" even if you're using it for downloading |
| 08:37.37 | w00dst0ck | no i think its a mime bug. I found a work around but was wondering if there are any other "fixes" |
| 08:37.41 | benjamindees | omi, and it came with most of the warnings that stouset is giving you |
| 08:37.43 | omi | I'm not concerned about uploading, but about making best use of lines so that desktops get more than 10 mbps |
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| 08:38.14 | sanxiyn | omi: That's what ADSL is. No? |
| 08:38.16 | omi | sorry guys, I'm not very good at explaining things at 3 in the morning :) |
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| 08:38.19 | servermastah2005 | so so so, i got telnetd package, it was 139KB?? |
| 08:38.22 | servermastah2005 | what i do next |
| 08:38.23 | omi | no ethernet lines in the building |
| 08:38.34 | stouset | omi: Then the best solution is probably to do bandwidth shaping. Each connection to the outside has a random chance of going out on each uplink. |
| 08:38.37 | benjamindees | omi, in short, if you configure things right, you can see a benefit for multiple users accessing multiple sites |
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| 08:38.41 | w00dst0ck | The gaim will notify me that I have new mail. I click open and it will open an html file in gedit. I changed the mime settings to open html files under firefox. This fixed it, but I shouldnt have to do this. |
| 08:38.48 | stouset | omi: I connect to server X using HTTP, it goes out router A |
| 08:38.50 | briareus | try: man telnet |
| 08:39.00 | stouset | omi: I connect to server A on the svn protocol, router B handles it |
| 08:39.03 | omi | benjamindees, yeah that's what I'm aiming that |
| 08:39.08 | stouset | I connect to server X five minutes later on HTTP, it goes out A |
| 08:39.10 | RabidGoblin | where can i get a disk or something so i can load debian? |
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| 08:39.16 | sanxiyn | w00dst0ck: Where did you change gaim mime setting? |
| 08:39.21 | stouset | Bob connects to server Y via FTP, it goes out Router C |
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| 08:39.38 | stouset | omi: This can be done with traffic shaping rules via iptables |
| 08:39.42 | omi | stouset, most of the traffic is http or ftp downloading |
| 08:39.49 | w00dst0ck | I didt change gaims' I went to one of my html files and changed the properties of the "open with" settings. |
| 08:39.50 | stouset | omi: It doesn't matter |
| 08:39.58 | Noid | !tell RabidGoblin about d-i |
| 08:40.00 | w00dst0ck | I'm using gnome btw. |
| 08:40.01 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: could you help me to set the server up? im too dumb for 'man telnet' |
| 08:40.02 | DrPete | I have a server that seems be set at EST, I used tzconfig and when you do date it give the correct time, but all the logs are in another time zone, any idea? |
| 08:40.03 | sanxiyn | w00dst0ck: That's strange. |
| 08:40.11 | sanxiyn | dumbuser: ... |
| 08:40.15 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: english is not my prime language so i cant understand it all |
| 08:40.31 | omi | stouset, but then if only 10 mbps is allocated for http traffic that doesn't solve the problem because I had 10 mbps to begin with |
| 08:40.32 | sanxiyn | dumbuser: I am afraid that I am not good at Estonian. |
| 08:40.37 | stouset | omi: Listen to me for god's sake =P All you need to do is set up rules in iptables so that whenever there's an outgoing connection, pick a random number between one and three and establish the connection over that corresponding router |
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| 08:40.43 | stouset | omi: You are *not* going to solve that problem. |
| 08:40.50 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: hehe, i can speak english etc, but i couldnt understand how to set server from manual |
| 08:40.53 | omi | yep |
| 08:40.53 | w00dst0ck | sanxiyn, yea I know. It seems to be a debain issue as someone else @ #gnome using debian had this problem as well. |
| 08:41.00 | stouset | omi: No client will be able to, for instance, download from one website at 30mpbs. |
| 08:41.00 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: if you could tell me what to do and stuff, i would really appreciate it |
| 08:41.04 | stouset | omi: Not going to happen. |
| 08:41.09 | omi | I know that :) |
| 08:41.22 | sanxiyn | w00dst0ck: Hm, I think GNOME has setting for "default browser". |
| 08:41.29 | sanxiyn | w00dst0ck: Doesn't Gaim use that? |
| 08:41.39 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: my gaim does use that |
| 08:41.43 | RabidGoblin | noid: what if i already have debian installed but i cant get to it because windows starts, what do i use to boot debian? |
| 08:41.44 | stouset | omi: Each individual connection will be capped at that uplink's download speed. But you might, conceivably, download three files on the same client from three different servers (or even one server, depending on the protocol) at a *total* of 30mpbs. |
| 08:41.51 | w00dst0ck | sanxiyn, what I did is a cheap work around, but it doesnt fix the problem. Yes I have that set. I have tried sensible-browser and firefox. both with no luck. |
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| 08:42.06 | sanxiyn | w00dst0ck: Have you reported bug yet? |
| 08:42.06 | omi | stouset, yeah that seems good enough :) |
| 08:42.17 | stouset | omi: Then do what I've been saying from the get-go =P |
| 08:42.29 | omi | stouset, my bad |
| 08:42.32 | w00dst0ck | sanxiyn, I was thinking about it. I just think there is a mime issue somewhere... I'll look more before I file. |
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| 08:42.36 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: yelpyelp? im desperate cant find anything useful what i could use to make this thing work |
| 08:42.40 | BumbleFuck | How do I install a .deb file? |
| 08:42.40 | Noid | RabidGoblin: you boot from a rescue floppy, or from a live distro, restore the mbr with lilo or grub, and boot back into your system |
| 08:42.43 | BumbleFuck | http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/gnomebaker/releases/i386/gnomebaker_0.3-1_i386.deb |
| 08:42.45 | BumbleFuck | Like that. |
| 08:42.50 | ix | BumbleFuck, dpkg -i [file] |
| 08:42.52 | BumbleFuck | thanks |
| 08:42.54 | nomad_cz | omi: Purchase a suitable Gigabit NIC for your server and a switch / router that supports a single Gigabit link and multiple 10/100 Mbit links. |
| 08:42.55 | sanxiyn | dumbuser: Sorry, I think I won't help you. |
| 08:43.02 | dumbuser | sanxiyn: ok |
| 08:43.05 | RabidGoblin | noid : alright |
| 08:43.10 | sanxiyn | BumbleFuck: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 08:43.15 | dumbuser | guess noone will then, *sniff* |
| 08:43.16 | nomad_cz | omi: Ie. http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3C1670108 |
| 08:43.20 | stouset | omi: It's okay =P I get short-tempered when I'm tired. But it's very important to make sure you know the problem you're trying to solve, and when you finally figure that out, you've got to work within the realm of solutions that are actually possible. |
| 08:43.31 | dumbuser | all i wanted was simple instructions what to do... |
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| 08:43.34 | dumbuser | thanks for help |
| 08:43.49 | Noid | !tell RabidGoblin about rescue disks |
| 08:43.50 | ix | aaw |
| 08:43.55 | ix | you want me to hold your hand? |
| 08:44.01 | sanxiyn | dumbuser: Well, I am here for some fun and profit. I do enjoy helping people, but I am not in that mood now. |
| 08:44.05 | omi | nomad_cz, why would I want to purchase anything if there's already equpiment that does the job, it is only missing configuration :) |
| 08:44.13 | ix | I'm sure there are plenty of guides on how to setup a telnet server. |
| 08:44.19 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, What are you trying to do? |
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| 08:44.32 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, Why would you want a telnet daemon.. |
| 08:44.36 | BumbleFuck | ssh is much better. |
| 08:44.39 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: i wish to set telnet server so that ppl from same building (with same ip( could connect |
| 08:44.44 | nomad_cz | omi: Ok ;) It was just an idea ;) One of many ;)) |
| 08:44.46 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: they cant use ssh from terminal computers |
| 08:44.52 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, Sure they can. |
| 08:44.52 | stouset | omi: There are very good reasons for it. |
| 08:44.54 | omi | nomad_cz, thanks for sharing anyways |
| 08:44.55 | BumbleFuck | Install an ssh client. |
| 08:44.57 | stouset | omi: Despite what some will tell you. |
| 08:45.18 | matlads_ | how do I use stty to disable echoing the kill (^@) character? |
| 08:45.21 | omi | nomad_cz, if we had money to spend I would consider doing it on hrdware rather than linux router boxes |
| 08:45.38 | stouset | omi: If the value of the time it takes you to implement a solution on your own is less than the cost of a prepackaged solution, by all means go with that commercial product. |
| 08:45.49 | stouset | omi: Linux router boxes *are* hardware =P |
| 08:46.19 | stuart_ | when it says i need gtk/glib 1.2.2 or later, what package exactly do i need |
| 08:46.21 | benjamindees | stouset, if he want's to help Linux advance by spending his time working on it, let's not discourage him :) |
| 08:46.38 | omi | stouset, I'm aware about the time, I value it, but here we don't $$ to throw around |
| 08:46.53 | omi | stouset, by hardware I meant a blackbox that is already set up to do what you want it to do |
| 08:46.59 | stouset | benjamindees: Well, as always, there's a balance |
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| 08:47.31 | omi | but if someone wants to buy me equpiment I would be glad :p |
| 08:48.08 | benjamindees | stouset, some employers are happy to pay you to write an OS, believe me |
| 08:48.33 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: no they cant thats why... |
| 08:48.38 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: just help me please? |
| 08:48.39 | omi | benjamindees, I'm thinking millitary companies |
| 08:48.40 | stouset | omi: Well, even if you don't have money to throw around, a lot of companies underestimate the value of their employees' time. If spending $5,000 on a vendor's product now is going to prevent you from spending $2,000 on hardware, two weeks to implement, and one day a week supporting, it might be worth looking at the $5,000 box. Especially if doing it yourself is going to prevent you from doing something else that has a clear tangible valu |
| 08:48.58 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, apt-get -y install telnetd? |
| 08:49.20 | stouset | benjamindees: Believe me, I know that. But very rarely are they happy to do that when they're barely scraping by and they've got larger projects that need work. |
| 08:49.20 | benjamindees | omi, no, idiots mostly, but also very smart people who know their way around the tax laws |
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| 08:49.32 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: i did |
| 08:49.35 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: what next? |
| 08:49.46 | BumbleFuck | umm, I dunno this is my first day on debian. |
| 08:49.46 | BumbleFuck | lol |
| 08:49.53 | BumbleFuck | I've been using redhat for like 4 years |
| 08:49.59 | lower | those about to apt, we salute you |
| 08:50.02 | sanxiyn | BumbleFuck: Welcome to Debian! |
| 08:50.02 | BumbleFuck | In Fedora you type.. "service telnetd start" |
| 08:50.15 | toresbe | ah, that way |
| 08:50.18 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, Just type telnetd |
| 08:50.20 | dumbuser | no such command here |
| 08:50.24 | dumbuser | command not found |
| 08:50.24 | toresbe | Erhm, IIRC, telnet is started |
| 08:50.30 | BumbleFuck | and edit /etc/telnetd.conf |
| 08:50.32 | toresbe | oh, right |
| 08:50.39 | crackhead | I want to install raidtools2 but it is in unstable and I'm running sarge...any suggestions? |
| 08:50.41 | toresbe | /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 08:50.48 | omi | stouset, are you aware of some mobos you can buy with lets say 10 PCI slots and preferrably 2 pci controllers |
| 08:51.07 | benjamindees | stouset, at a certain point, somebody is going to pay to feed that company's employees anyways, so they might as well be working instead of outsourcing |
| 08:51.27 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, telnet localhost 23 |
| 08:51.31 | BumbleFuck | I think telnet is 23 at least. |
| 08:51.33 | BumbleFuck | test it out |
| 08:51.35 | sanxiyn | crackhead: Just get it from unstable. Won't hurt. |
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| 08:52.08 | crackhead | sanxiyn : can I just download the deb file and install it myself? |
| 08:52.12 | stuart_ | how do i get a package and everything it suggest under it in aptitude |
| 08:52.13 | sanxiyn | BumbleFuck: Well, you can just "telnet localhost" :-) |
| 08:52.17 | sanxiyn | crackhead: Yes. |
| 08:52.24 | stuart_ | when i press + it won't add because i have to get the other packages |
| 08:52.30 | dumbuser | yep i can log |
| 08:52.33 | sanxiyn | crackhead: (For raidtool2, I mean. It doesn't seem to have many dependencies) |
| 08:52.52 | crackhead | sanxiyn : cool....how do I install it once I download the deb? |
| 08:52.52 | stouset | omi: Obviously the economics of it all can get very confusing when you start considering opportunity costs and long-term costs of DIY projects. But it's really necessary to calculate those or at least estimate them when doing projects like that. A lot of companies end up shooting themselves in the foot because they won't spend a little money to save themselves a lot. Where I work, we've wasted thousands of hours of paid employee time on |
| 08:53.04 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, So you accomplished what you wanted to? |
| 08:53.08 | sanxiyn | crackhead: dpkg -i <deb filename here> |
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| 08:53.30 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: but see...i need IP or something if i connect to localhost from downstairs it wont go to this comp |
| 08:53.50 | dumbuser | BumbleFuck: i need to know my computers ip to connect to and stuff |
| 08:53.56 | crackhead | sanxiyn : where do I download it from? |
| 08:54.09 | sanxiyn | crackhead: packages.debian.org/raidtools2 |
| 08:54.15 | stouset | omi: On the other hand, we've bought vendor products that don't work, are a royal pain in the ass to configure, and are virtually unusable because of various bad design decisions. :-) |
| 08:54.23 | crackhead | sanxiyn : just figured it out :) |
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| 08:54.53 | BumbleFuck | dumbuser, /usr/bin/firefox www.whatismyipaddress.com |
| 08:55.02 | sanxiyn | BumbleFuck: Oh. |
| 08:55.26 | omi | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/28/bofh_and_the_linux_evangelist/ |
| 08:55.28 | sanxiyn | whatismyipaddress.com? What a cool site. |
| 08:55.49 | BumbleFuck | lol |
| 08:55.50 | stouset | BumbleFuck: Haha, for a second there I was about to ask you to be nice to the guy. Then I realized his name actually *is* dumbuser... |
| 08:55.52 | stouset | :-) |
| 08:55.52 | crackhead | sanxiyn : hmmm....strange. raidtools2 is in stable and unstable but not testing? |
| 08:55.54 | BumbleFuck | There are like 50 sites like that sanxiyn |
| 08:55.57 | BumbleFuck | www.ipchicken.com |
| 08:55.58 | mte | hi..i tried to use alsaconf to configure my sound cards but it only works for one sound card at a time (i have two). what's the point? how to make them work simultaneously? |
| 08:56.00 | BumbleFuck | www.ipaddress.com |
| 08:56.03 | crackhead | shouldn't it be in testing too? |
| 08:56.03 | BumbleFuck | www.whatismyip.com |
| 08:56.05 | omi | (just reminded me from telnet) |
| 08:56.09 | sanxiyn | crackhead: Yes, it's possible. |
| 08:56.27 | BumbleFuck | stouset, And that's a real website. |
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| 08:56.34 | helix | what's a good pong game in debian? |
| 08:56.43 | BumbleFuck | good question helix |
| 08:56.45 | sanxiyn | crackhead: Don't ask me why, but it's possible to be in stable/unstable and not in testing. It will migrate if conditions are met. |
| 08:56.48 | BumbleFuck | I need a good pong game also. |
| 08:56.55 | crackhead | sanxiyn : should I use the stable version instead |
| 08:57.07 | sanxiyn | crackhead: I guess not. |
| 08:57.07 | BumbleFuck | hmm, I like this channel. |
| 08:57.10 | BumbleFuck | I think I'll idle here for 5 years. |
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| 08:58.00 | SilentBob | Who was the guy from the debian table... |
| 08:58.06 | SilentBob | That I talked to at linux world in boston |
| 08:58.15 | helix | SilentBob: what did he look like? |
| 08:58.21 | SilentBob | curly hair |
| 08:58.25 | stouset | BumbleFuck: oh, I know that :-) |
| 08:58.26 | SilentBob | not short, not tall |
| 08:58.32 | SilentBob | brown hair |
| 08:58.33 | SilentBob | umm |
| 08:58.36 | SilentBob | linux geek? |
| 08:58.41 | helix | hm |
| 08:58.42 | stouset | Me. |
| 08:58.47 | SilentBob | haha, was that you? |
| 08:58.49 | stouset | Yeah. |
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| 08:58.55 | stouset | Not short, not tall. |
| 08:58.56 | stouset | Brown hair. |
| 08:58.56 | SilentBob | I'm on debian now!! |
| 08:58.57 | SilentBob | lol |
| 08:58.58 | stouset | Linux geek. |
| 08:59.02 | stouset | Congrats! |
| 08:59.05 | stouset | Who are you again? |
| 08:59.12 | helix | SilentBob: I think he's lying to you |
| 08:59.15 | SilentBob | Just some kid from linux world. |
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| 08:59.18 | SilentBob | helix, maybe |
| 08:59.23 | stouset | Oh, I've never been to Linux World. |
| 08:59.25 | SilentBob | I can check the access list. |
| 08:59.27 | SilentBob | o |
| 08:59.28 | stouset | So you'll have to be a bit more descriptive. |
| 08:59.33 | sanxiyn | helix: Pong, not Arkanoid? |
| 08:59.39 | stouset | sanxiyn: arkanoid <3 |
| 08:59.42 | helix | sanxiyn: I don't know, something like pong |
| 08:59.45 | stuart_ | is there any program to check if i have nvidia working |
| 08:59.48 | helix | for my cat |
| 08:59.48 | sanxiyn | helix: gnome-breakout |
| 08:59.51 | stouset | stuart_: glxgears |
| 08:59.58 | stuart_ | stouset, apt-get ? |
| 09:00.05 | stouset | stuart_: It's part of X |
| 09:00.09 | stuart_ | alright thanks |
| 09:00.10 | stouset | stuart_: If it runs slow as piss, your drivers aren't working |
| 09:00.21 | sanxiyn | helix: Or, search for breakout. IIRC, Pong and Arkanoid is trademarked or so, therefore the other name was chosen. |
| 09:00.23 | stouset | stuart_: If it runs at about eight infinity thousand frames per second, they're working |
| 09:00.28 | helix | sanxiyn: ah, I see |
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| 09:00.41 | sanxiyn | helix: gnome-breakout if you're on GNOME, there's also lbreakout2. |
| 09:00.46 | sanxiyn | helix: Lots of fun. |
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| 09:00.54 | stuart_ | hm, extension "GLX" missing on display |
| 09:01.00 | helix | well, it's not really for me |
| 09:01.01 | stuart_ | couldn't get glxgears to run |
| 09:01.01 | peterS | eh? pong is not breakout. breakout is sophisticated by comparison |
| 09:01.13 | helix | but I want something more sophisticated than my cursor for my cat to chase |
| 09:01.14 | sanxiyn | peterS: That was why I was asking... |
| 09:01.20 | stuart_ | does that mean i don't have nvidia installed properly |
| 09:01.22 | lower | it's all about the paddle |
| 09:01.24 | stouset | stuart_: you need the nvidia-glx package |
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| 09:01.38 | stuart_ | stouset, now THAT has gotta be apt-get right |
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| 09:01.57 | stouset | apt-get install nvidia-gx |
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| 09:02.00 | WauloK_ | anyone have info on recommended partition sizes? (eg website) |
| 09:02.03 | benjamindees | omi, something tells me that article becomes reality the day Windows admins get a version of SMS for Linux ;) |
| 09:02.04 | stouset | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 09:02.05 | sanxiyn | Pong is not Breakout, but they tend to be confused by people. |
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| 09:02.12 | stouset | WauloK_: Depends on the usage. |
| 09:02.16 | helix | breakout is not what I want |
| 09:02.16 | peterS | for cat chasing fun, maybe some form of pinball |
| 09:02.20 | WauloK_ | home desktop |
| 09:02.28 | stuart_ | stouset, nvidia-glx is already the newest version |
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| 09:03.23 | stouset | WauloK_: /boot: 50M, /: 5G, /usr: 5G, /home: everything else |
| 09:03.28 | WauloK | 120gb west digital. just bought it. want to run debian on my home desktop and dualboot with XP |
| 09:03.35 | stouset | WauloK_: In that case... |
| 09:03.42 | stuart_ | might it be my monitor settings like vesa, GLCore enabled etc? |
| 09:03.43 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 09:03.56 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 09:04.08 | stouset | WauloK_: /boot: 50M, /: 2G, /usr: 5G, /var: 5G, /tmp: 5G /home: everything else |
| 09:04.31 | stouset | waulok_: Or, alternatively, /boot: 50M, /: 10G, /home: everything else |
| 09:04.33 | jerome | damn, that leaves 2G for config files |
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| 09:04.44 | stouset | jerome: or /opt |
| 09:04.53 | stouset | jerome: or /srv |
| 09:05.06 | WauloK | cool. thanks stouset |
| 09:05.07 | jerome | stouset: if you care about them, them they need their own part. |
| 09:05.13 | peterS | /srv should be bind-mounted or symlinked from /home. no reason they should be separate partitions |
| 09:05.15 | briareus | whoa, I have 9 partitions and I am running a 10GB drive |
| 09:05.23 | briareus | i dont get those big partitions |
| 09:05.27 | WauloK | lol |
| 09:05.33 | briareus | the only big partition i have anywhere is a /multimedia |
| 09:05.36 | stuart_ | any idea why it says extension "GLX" missing on display? |
| 09:05.42 | stouset | peterS: I couldn't disagree more =P |
| 09:05.50 | stouset | peterS: /srv should ideally be it's own partition =P |
| 09:05.53 | briareus | everything else is compartmentalized, has helped me a few times in repair already |
| 09:06.07 | peterS | stouset: that presupposes that /srv is even useful. but if it is, is it not user data? |
| 09:06.10 | WauloK | never heard of /srv before |
| 09:06.11 | jerome | I can't see the point with /srv |
| 09:06.12 | takatumi | stuart_: google or check the bts |
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| 09:06.38 | benjamindees | heh, great, nfs and samba admins duel to the death... |
| 09:06.46 | stouset | peterS: It's user data, but it could be multiple-user data |
| 09:06.54 | stouset | peterS: /home should only be used for individual user directories |
| 09:07.21 | stouset | peterS: directories /srv could have data maintained by multiple users, or through sudo by an "administrative"-type user |
| 09:07.23 | jerome | humpf |
| 09:07.31 | peterS | stouset: what is the difference in backup strategy, or disk usage strategy? those are why you have separate partitions for things |
| 09:07.38 | stouset | peterS: additionally, you might want to use a different filesystem for "served" data, for optimization reasons =P |
| 09:07.43 | omi | benjamindees, what's SMS? |
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| 09:08.09 | stouset | peterS: For instance, /srv could also be mounted on NFS, AFS, Coda, etc., for clustered servers |
| 09:08.16 | stouset | peterS: i.e., webservers |
| 09:08.34 | lower | is /src a debian thing? |
| 09:08.36 | benjamindees | omi, system management server, what Windows admins use to simultaneously destroy thousands of machines |
| 09:08.41 | lower | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.48 | jerome | is /srv intended to be used by httpd, ftpd, and all ? |
| 09:08.55 | peterS | lower: www.pathname.com/fhs |
| 09:09.02 | stouset | lower: /srv is a FHS thing |
| 09:09.06 | peterS | lower: it's specified by the FHS, the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 09:09.09 | omi | haha, oh, I remember reading some BT agency lost 64K boxes due to unbootable state :) |
| 09:09.16 | lower | thanks |
| 09:09.18 | stouset | omi: Yeah, EDS. |
| 09:09.35 | omi | EDS I heard them screw up many times |
| 09:09.37 | omi | hmm |
| 09:09.45 | WauloK | look. im trying to get a new job out of eds. gimme a breadk! |
| 09:09.47 | WauloK | :( |
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| 09:09.58 | WauloK | -d |
| 09:09.59 | WauloK | hehe |
| 09:09.59 | briareus | EDS are one of those companies i would never work for |
| 09:10.01 | stouset | WauloK: Shit, then get out of #debian |
| 09:10.01 | lower | WauloK, EDS? there goes your soul. |
| 09:10.06 | omi | haha |
| 09:10.07 | stouset | WauloK: They might see you |
| 09:10.15 | WauloK | its not my fault. my telco outsourced me to the bastards :( |
| 09:10.16 | jerome | well, debian should just quit symlink vmlinuz, cdrom, initrd in / before thinking of implementing contestable /entry like /srv |
| 09:10.33 | omi | I wonder what's worse associated with M$ or EDS |
| 09:10.40 | WauloK | eds |
| 09:10.41 | stouset | EDS |
| 09:10.45 | WauloK | at least microsoft runs linux ;) |
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| 09:10.51 | lower | omi, EDS is office space meets MS$, so i'd say EDS. |
| 09:10.58 | omi | ok |
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| 09:11.00 | omi | lol |
| 09:11.10 | stuart_ | i think i installed my nvidia wrongly, how do i remove all the nvidia drivers etc? |
| 09:11.37 | benjamindees | haha, see -> use the packaging system next time |
| 09:11.42 | stuart_ | stouset, what was the 1 line command you typed earlier today for installing nvidia again |
| 09:11.49 | SilentBob | stuart_, Just put your old XFree86-config file back. |
| 09:11.50 | stouset | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:11.51 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 09:11.59 | SilentBob | And replace the new one, with the nvidia stuff. |
| 09:12.23 | stouset | I'm hitting the sack, folks. |
| 09:12.24 | stouset | G'nite. |
| 09:12.28 | omi | night |
| 09:12.33 | omi | thanks for help ;) |
| 09:12.36 | stouset | May you all die for bringing up EDS in mixed company. |
| 09:12.46 | lower | heh |
| 09:12.52 | stouset | :-( |
| 09:12.52 | stuart_ | kay thanks |
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| 09:14.04 | SilentBob | Is unrar not in the official sarge repositories? |
| 09:14.44 | SilentBob | Anyone have a good third party repository for a first time debian user. |
| 09:14.49 | SilentBob | Or a list. |
| 09:15.00 | omi | you want to include marillat for sure |
| 09:15.08 | lower | third party repository for what? |
| 09:15.15 | benjamindees | SilentBob, there is precious little that is not in Testing |
| 09:15.16 | SilentBob | Well right now I need unrar |
| 09:15.32 | lower | unrar or unrar-nonfree ? |
| 09:15.40 | SilentBob | unrar |
| 09:15.45 | omi | yeah, minus the mp3 encoder and video stuff |
| 09:15.46 | SilentBob | There is a non-free version of unrar? |
| 09:15.48 | matlads_ | what control character is ^@? |
| 09:15.52 | SilentBob | Doesn't that only allow like logging |
| 09:15.53 | lower | decent version is nonfree now |
| 09:15.55 | drac | lower: unrar-nonfree if you want open winrar 3.x files. |
| 09:16.29 | drac | umm SilentBob |
| 09:16.46 | peterS | matlads_: NUL |
| 09:17.06 | benjamindees | how many people think the "more often" in "Debian should release more often" means more than once a year? |
| 09:17.08 | peterS | matlads_: if you want to know what that is, 'man ascii' |
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| 09:17.35 | SilentBob | yes drac? |
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| 09:18.02 | RichiH | we had the holycow. now we have the HolyGoat |
| 09:18.06 | RichiH | all hail holy goat! |
| 09:18.31 | RichiH | a little less than holycow, i guess |
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| 09:18.41 | matlads_ | peterS: thanx |
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| 09:18.52 | SilentBob | omi, marllat? yes/ |
| 09:18.56 | RichiH | benjamindees: 6, 9 or 12 month cycle are what i would think best |
| 09:19.17 | RichiH | probably 9 thought that is kinda ackward to remember in a second |
| 09:19.20 | RichiH | though* |
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| 09:20.16 | ezhdeha | hello ? |
| 09:20.19 | omi | yeah, haven't looked in my apt sources lately :) |
| 09:20.36 | SilentBob | omi, All I see are foreign domains |
| 09:20.39 | SilentBob | .fr .br .ru |
| 09:20.49 | SilentBob | You have a .us site that mirrors marllat? |
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| 09:20.56 | SilentBob | marillat* |
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| 09:21.03 | benjamindees | RichiH, I would be more inclined to agree with lower, but was wondering if there was a consensus |
| 09:21.07 | omi | the one from .br I think was working well |
| 09:21.12 | chrsyv | ~ |
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| 09:21.50 | lower | benjamindees, apparently not.. that's why it's such a hot issue atm. :) |
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| 09:22.28 | benjamindees | I wonder if anyone has sat down and calculated the tradeoffs for various timeframes |
| 09:23.11 | orjan_ | I'm trying to setup shorewall from testing, for a single box with fixed ip and an ethernet connection, and have problem with the interfaces conf file. I get invalid option both for: net eth0 detect and net eth0 my.ip. How should it be written? |
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| 09:23.55 | lower | benjamindees, the infamous perfection vs losing-users line graph? |
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| 09:24.33 | RichiH | benjamindees: i assure there will never be consensus, merely compromise :) |
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| 09:24.57 | Vincent1 | Is somebody studie in Oxford ???? |
| 09:24.57 | benjamindees | lower, I was thinking of (cue)uantifying the impacts on various aspects, mirrors, security updates, stability, etc |
| 09:25.05 | RichiH | SilentBob: not foreign. i am surrounded by those domains :) |
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| 09:25.24 | takatumi | orjan_: still fiddling with shorewall? you could get firehol running with far less reading, if you have been reading since a few hours now :) |
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| 09:26.08 | nagual | orjan_: shorewall isnt debian |
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| 09:26.55 | lower | benjamindees, mirrors and security updates don't care about release schedules, it's down to things being released before being tested sufficiently |
| 09:26.59 | WauloK | i want to install debian from knoppix livecd to my HDD but the warning worries me. is it ok or not? |
| 09:27.17 | takatumi | WauloK: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 09:27.22 | memic | use realy debian installers.. |
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| 09:27.51 | takatumi | !based on debian |
| 09:27.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 09:28.08 | WauloK | yea i know. i was just wondering if anyone has done it :) |
| 09:28.08 | sander_ | it |
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| 09:28.17 | WauloK | so the answer is 'download a debian ISO' which is ok :) |
| 09:28.21 | l1nux | hi |
| 09:29.05 | WauloK | ok so does dpkg know if i can get a torrent of debian?? |
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| 09:29.20 | takatumi | !d-i WauloK |
| 09:29.23 | benjamindees | WauloK, if you know what you're doing, and are willing to fix apt when it breaks, Knoppix -> Testing/Unstable is possible |
| 09:29.27 | dpkg | WauloK, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:29.56 | takatumi | !ping |
| 09:29.56 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:29.57 | l1nux | !VFS kernel panic :/ |
| 09:29.58 | benjamindees | s/willing/able |
| 09:30.01 | wers | Hi, im having problems with the soundcard in my laptop, where do i start looking for clues? |
| 09:30.32 | briareus | symptom? |
| 09:30.32 | RichiH | WauloK: with the new installer, pretty much everyone who is not completely computer illiterate can install debian in under an hour |
| 09:30.38 | takatumi | wers: lsmod to see which modules are loaded. |
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| 09:31.01 | RichiH | WauloK: with a fast connection, i take under 20 minutes for a working install (without all the tweaks, of course) |
| 09:31.02 | l1nux | whats problem, debian sarge not boot with kernel 2.6.x ?? |
| 09:31.18 | takatumi | l1nux: sure it does. |
| 09:31.18 | WauloK | yea i know but my wife wont appreciate the bandwidth loss cos shes on WoW ;) |
| 09:31.23 | wers | takatumi There are plenty of modules loaded..soundcore, ac97 codec,, what should i look 4? |
| 09:31.34 | takatumi | wers: OSS or ALSA |
| 09:31.42 | WauloK | if i use Bittorrent, I can limit the download speed nicely |
| 09:31.47 | lower | WauloK, WoW is like crack.. you should ween her off onto usenet or something |
| 09:31.52 | WauloK | haha |
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| 09:31.55 | takatumi | wers: the ones with snd- are ALSA. |
| 09:31.58 | _markus__ | Hi |
| 09:31.59 | l1nux | takatumin not for me :/ |
| 09:32.02 | RichiH | WauloK: use wondershaper :) |
| 09:32.20 | WauloK | imot a n00b tho.. i have a freebsd server and have been adminning solaris servers for about 10 yrs |
| 09:32.26 | takatumi | l1nux: self compiled or a debian packaged kernel? |
| 09:32.29 | WauloK | doesnt mean i can type tho |
| 09:32.38 | wers | takatumi Ok. cant find any of those. |
| 09:32.43 | RichiH | WauloK: yah, then you want to look at wondershaper for all your traffic shaping needs |
| 09:32.48 | WauloK | ok |
| 09:33.23 | RichiH | WauloK: if you let all acks through and give her ports priority, you can download all you want without her getting upset or even noticing :) |
| 09:33.39 | takatumi | wers: what sound card is it? |
| 09:33.56 | WauloK | sweet :) |
| 09:34.05 | WauloK | have to see if it compiles on freebsd tho |
| 09:34.12 | l1nux | takatumi, i have tested with "debian packaged kernel" and compiled, but same :/ |
| 09:34.14 | wers | its an integrated Intel Corp. 82801DB AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 09:34.25 | _markus__ | I'm having trouble getting Vanilla 2.4.29 to run with make-kpkg. It have used oldconfig and ran with "fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20050318 --initrd kernel_image" , however on reboot I get a Panic because root fs 03:20 (or 02:30?) is not found. When I inspect the generated .deb package, I cannot find an initrd file inside. Is there anything else to do? |
| 09:34.31 | _markus__ | All on woody |
| 09:34.33 | wers | according to scanpci |
| 09:34.43 | peterS | wers: that's the 'i810_audio' module |
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| 09:34.54 | wers | peterS I have that loaded.. |
| 09:35.21 | wers | peterS ,,but still no sound! ;( |
| 09:35.41 | briareus | fuser /dev/dsp |
| 09:35.44 | peterS | wers: try 'dmesg | tail -30' or so to see if i810_audio, when it loaded, reported anything about the sound chip |
| 09:36.05 | peterS | hmmm, I can't get into a posix habit on tail, can I? |
| 09:36.18 | mooded | sry.. i just cant find it right now.. anybody can tell me how i can give a version to apt-get install ? (apt-get install samba with version 3.0.2, is what im tryin to do..) |
| 09:36.34 | mooded | and i have already 3.0.10 installed |
| 09:36.36 | wers | peterS No... no luck. |
| 09:36.41 | WauloK | damn my e107 theme doesnt render well in konqueror :( |
| 09:37.01 | WauloK | ok |
| 09:37.03 | peterS | wers: unload and reload the module. 'rmmod i810_audio; modprobe i810_audio'. then try the 'dmesg | tail' |
| 09:37.17 | peterS | !bless WauloK |
| 09:37.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child WauloK, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 09:37.38 | l1nux | Kernel Panic: VFS unable to mount fs on root |
| 09:37.40 | WauloK | haha |
| 09:37.42 | l1nux | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 09:37.47 | l1nux | :/ |
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| 09:38.07 | l1nux | but i have root=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:38.09 | takatumi | !norootfs |
| 09:38.11 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 09:38.44 | wers | peterS ..Ya,, now it says: Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 04:39:21 Nov 25 2004 |
| 09:39.08 | peterS | wers: so it did or didn't report finding your chip? |
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| 09:39.22 | peterS | wers: it should have said more than that, I think |
| 09:39.23 | wers | peterS It seem to have found it, yes. |
| 09:39.36 | wers | thats all i got. |
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| 09:40.02 | briareus | wers> have you already tried playing to it? |
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| 09:40.10 | wers | yes.. . |
| 09:40.15 | briareus | fuser /dev/dsp |
| 09:40.23 | peterS | wers: possibly an old kernel driver that doesn't recognise your more recent chip |
| 09:40.47 | wers | peterS... Hmmm...... |
| 09:40.53 | peterS | wers: what does 'uname -r' report? |
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| 09:41.57 | wers | 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 09:42.38 | Zta | I've got a very weird and annoying problem: My second box cannot resolve any hostnames, but I can ping all ip-addresses including the nameservers. What's wrong? |
| 09:42.56 | Rydekull | emcee: Debian GNU/Linux* |
| 09:42.58 | peterS | wers: 2.6.8 certainly supports that chip. I just checked |
| 09:43.09 | Joris | Zta: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf on that machine? |
| 09:43.12 | mooded | zta, resolv.conf fucked ? |
| 09:43.26 | emcee | Rydekull: so it's Debian GNU, eh? |
| 09:43.33 | wers | peterS Ya.. i had sound before i reinstalled the machine.. :( |
| 09:43.38 | Zta | The /etc/resolv.conf is the same as on the working machine, so it's fine. |
| 09:43.42 | wers | must have done something bad. |
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| 09:43.56 | Rydekull | emcee: that's how it is, yes :) |
| 09:44.22 | wers | Can't find a suitable libao driver |
| 09:44.26 | peterS | wers: yeah, I don't know what would break it. one possibility is interrupt routing. ACPI is notorious for making little mistakes about this stuff. but you didn't report any messages about not being able to get an IRQ |
| 09:44.33 | takatumi | wers: maybe give ALSA a shot. |
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| 09:44.50 | peterS | wers: check your permissions. 'adduser your_username audio' |
| 09:44.50 | peterS | wers: (and log out / back in after doing that) |
| 09:45.03 | emcee | Rydekull: no, it's hardly Debian GNU. I was using the forward slash as a seperator between GNU/Linux and Debian. I should have more correctly written debian / GNU/linux but then you still would have bitched about the first forward slash |
| 09:45.07 | Zta | I haven't change anything in the network configuration, but I did install VMWare. I have uninstalled it now, I deleted /lib/modules/2.6.10 (my current kernel) and I recompiled and reinstalled kernel and modules just to be sure. |
| 09:45.09 | mooded | anybody has got samba-3.0.10 with working winbindd ? |
| 09:45.10 | wers | peterS I tried as root.. that should work.. |
| 09:45.18 | Zta | But the problem still live.s |
| 09:45.36 | jetscreamer | ah hey peterS what are the suid files again, plz? (the ones that are supposed to be suid) |
| 09:45.37 | peterS | wers: indeed it should. "cannot find suitable libao driver" is not too helpful. we have to *assume* it means 'no such device' on /dev/dsp |
| 09:45.45 | Rydekull | emcee: No :) |
| 09:45.49 | wers | peterS Probably.. |
| 09:45.55 | Zta | Any suggestions? |
| 09:45.59 | benjamindees | Zta, haven't messed with /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 09:46.23 | Zta | benjamindees, I'll have a look. |
| 09:46.24 | peterS | wers: as someone else mentioned, give alsa a try. unload i810_audio, ac97_codec, and everything else related to soundcore. then load 'snd-intel8x0' and 'snd-pcm-oss' |
| 09:47.01 | wers | ok.. will try.. :) thanx alot btw |
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| 09:47.20 | emcee | Rydekull: on :) |
| 09:47.26 | Zta | benjamindees, aparrently not. They are identical on the working box and the br0ken. |
| 09:47.30 | peterS | hmmm, I think ac97_codec is the only other module loaded by i810_audio. so anyway. |
| 09:47.41 | FishOnion | ºÃÏñûʲô°ì·¨ÔÚDebian Ï¿´WMP9±àÂëµÄHDTV... |
| 09:48.16 | benjamindees | Zta, does dig work when you explicitly specify the nameserver? |
| 09:48.18 | FishOnion | ºÃÏñûʲô°ì·¨ÔÚdebianÏ¿´WMP9µÄHDTV |
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| 09:48.24 | Zta | benjamindees, any other suggestions? host.conf is ok too. |
| 09:49.06 | Zta | benjamindees, um.. I'm not very familiar with dig.. |
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| 09:49.12 | Zta | benjamindees, yes it does. |
| 09:49.14 | mooded | maan.. samba world is just fucked up |
| 09:49.23 | wers | i dont get any error messages when running mpg123 anymore... but still no sound. |
| 09:49.48 | Zta | benjamindees, dig @192.168.4.5 asklandd.dk|wc -l results in 18 lines. |
| 09:49.49 | takatumi | wers: alsamixer, turn up the volume and unmute if necessary. |
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| 09:50.09 | Zta | benjamindees, I am not sure what dig should show, but it seems to know about asklandd.dk. |
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| 09:50.33 | wers | takatumi :: i have alsamixer?.. packets name? |
| 09:51.02 | takatumi | wers: alsa-utils |
| 09:51.05 | benjamindees | Zta, that sounds like it's working |
| 09:51.19 | wers | takatumi Cheers |
| 09:51.35 | tchino | i have problems to mount my 4gb mini ipod |
| 09:52.00 | lower | i have problems to afford my 4gb mini ipod |
| 09:52.01 | benjamindees | Zta, I don't know what else to suggest, perhaps someone else does |
| 09:52.03 | Zta | benjamindees, I compared output from dig on working and broken box, and they match. So dig works when explicitly giving the dns ip |
| 09:52.19 | Zta | ..bummer. |
| 09:52.21 | Zta | but thanks |
| 09:52.49 | Zta | Anyone got a suggestion to why my box doesn't resolve hostnames? |
| 09:53.11 | tchino | do you have an idea, lower! |
| 09:53.33 | lower | tchino, what error you have? |
| 09:53.38 | benjamindees | Zta, what program are you using that isn't resolving hostnames? (ping?) |
| 09:53.45 | Zta | benjamindees, ping, yes |
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| 09:53.58 | sep | Zta: you have ofcouse verified your resolv.conf and that your nss_switch actualy uses dns ? |
| 09:53.59 | groton | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.00 | tchino | it is format with windows format, but when i mount it with fvat, i get the message:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 09:54.01 | streuner | Zta: DHCP? |
| 09:54.01 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.02 | briareus | i have a problem holding on to my ipod, probably because its imaginary since i dont have one |
| 09:54.10 | Coke | Zta: and your DNS' are? |
| 09:54.23 | Zta | Coke, local ones. |
| 09:54.30 | lower | briareus, wow, your imaginary one looks just like mine! |
| 09:54.32 | Coke | Zta: what do you mean "local"? |
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| 09:54.48 | Coke | Zta: on your own LAN? seems like misconfigured DNS then. |
| 09:54.55 | Zta | streuner, I use DHCP normally, but I've also tried specifying my ipaddress manually. |
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| 09:55.07 | Zta | Coke, yes.. |
| 09:55.11 | Coke | Zta: what DNS software are you using? |
| 09:55.35 | Zta | Coke, I don't know. The administrator knows. Something Windowsish, I'm afraid.. |
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| 09:56.07 | Zta | But! |
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| 09:56.20 | Zta | dig can resolve hostnames if I give the dns manually. |
| 09:56.23 | Coke | Zta: you never answered if you use DHCP. you said "normally", he didn't ask for your statistical use of DHCP, are you using DHCP now? |
| 09:56.29 | Zta | So it problem seems to be on my box, I'd say. |
| 09:56.30 | tchino | has nobody an idea |
| 09:56.42 | Zta | Coke, I am using dhcp now. |
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| 09:57.03 | benjamindees | tchino, you had the ipod problem? |
| 09:57.04 | Coke | Zta: I think your admin hasn't enabled DNS through DHCP |
| 09:57.27 | Zta | Coke, other linux boxes on the network do get their dns though dhcp |
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| 09:57.29 | Coke | Zta: Windows networks use special MS protocols for that sort of stuff |
| 09:57.33 | tchino | benjamindees: yes |
| 09:57.49 | Coke | Zta: you could run your dhcp client manually from the prompt and add verbose output |
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| 09:57.53 | Zta | Coke, that was my thought as well. But since the other boxes work. |
| 09:57.54 | benjamindees | tchino, it's usb? does it show up in dmesg output when plugged in? |
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| 09:57.58 | Coke | Zta: it will telly ou exactly what information it receives |
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| 09:58.15 | boyracerr | help! My debian box appears to have 'lost' its php4 shared object |
| 09:58.22 | boyracerr | i tried upgrading to php5 |
| 09:58.24 | boyracerr | had problems |
| 09:58.27 | Zta | Coke, good idea |
| 09:58.30 | boyracerr | decided to go back |
| 09:58.38 | boyracerr | however this morning (a week later) |
| 09:58.46 | boyracerr | the libphp4.so file has been deleted |
| 09:58.51 | boyracerr | and thus apache cannot start |
| 09:58.55 | boyracerr | any ideas? |
| 09:59.00 | Coke | boyracerr: install php4 |
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| 09:59.11 | boyracerr | it is installed |
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| 09:59.16 | benjamindees | Coke, doesn't the dhcp client just overwrite resolv.conf? |
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| 09:59.20 | boyracerr | apt-get install php4 |
| 09:59.25 | boyracerr | says already installed |
| 09:59.29 | hasan` | what should I do for give root rights to a user ? |
| 09:59.38 | Zta | Coke, but I'll have to disconnect then =) |
| 09:59.44 | briareus | hasan`> why would you do that |
| 09:59.47 | Coke | benjamindees: I'm not sure if it overrides, but it has presedence |
| 09:59.47 | tchino | benjamindees: yes, it is usb, how can i do that with dmesg output |
| 10:00.03 | benjamindees | tchino, type 'dmesg' in a terminal |
| 10:00.04 | Zta | Coke, or can I run it as user and see the output and not have it setup anything? |
| 10:00.19 | Coke | Zta: do that and make sure you get as much output from it as possible. you can do a &>dhcp.output at the end to redirect all info to a file for later reference |
| 10:00.32 | hasan` | briareus, root dont know anything want me to install some programs |
| 10:00.54 | Coke | Zta: yes, you run it as user root. but it will setup. |
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| 10:01.08 | Coke | boyracerr: don't remove files manually then |
| 10:01.08 | tchino | benjamindees: oh, it is very long |
| 10:01.21 | boyracerr | ? |
| 10:01.23 | Coke | boyracerr: use --reinstall flag to reinstall the files. |
| 10:01.33 | boyracerr | i didn't remove anything manually |
| 10:01.37 | Zta | Coke, dhcpcd or dhcpcd-bin ? |
| 10:01.38 | benjamindees | tchino, yes, the end is the important part, does it identify your ipod when it's plugged in? |
| 10:01.44 | Coke | boyracerr: if the file is gone it means two things 1) you have installed a conflicting package and the file had to be removed or 2) you removed it manually. |
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| 10:02.00 | Coke | Zta: those are daemons. you need the clients |
| 10:02.10 | ACiDC0re | is there a way to set a standard font in X ? |
| 10:02.24 | wers | HEUREKA! |
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| 10:02.30 | boyracerr | must have been conflicting package |
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| 10:02.36 | Coke | Zta: sorry, that was the client |
| 10:02.43 | Zta | Coke, How do I see what client debian uses? |
| 10:02.50 | Coke | Zta: the one you have installed. |
| 10:03.00 | wers | Thanx ALOT peterS , i got sound again! |
| 10:03.00 | Zta | there are two.. one named -bin |
| 10:03.02 | Coke | Zta: just type dh<TAB> |
| 10:03.10 | Coke | Zta: or dhcp<TAB> even |
| 10:03.14 | peterS | wers: snd-intel8x0 worked? great |
| 10:03.23 | Coke | Zta: try both |
| 10:03.25 | Zta | ok |
| 10:03.26 | Zta | afk |
| 10:03.28 | boyracerr | reinstall was successfull |
| 10:03.31 | tchino | benjamindees: how can i see that? cat /proc/scsi/scsi gives: Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 10:03.31 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.31 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.34 | boyracerr | but problem remains |
| 10:03.35 | peterS | wers: now just edit /etc/modules and add those two module names to it (snd-intel8x0 and snd-pcm-oss, separate lines) |
| 10:03.58 | Coke | boyracerr: what apache is installed and what php package did you install? |
| 10:04.00 | peterS | wers: and remove i810_audio if that is in there by any chance |
| 10:04.09 | peterS | wers: and next time you boot those modules will load and you'll still be fine |
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| 10:04.11 | boyracerr | apache 1.3 |
| 10:04.22 | tchino | benjamindees: one line dmesg is: |
| 10:04.24 | boyracerr | php 4.3, using the dotdeb packages |
| 10:04.24 | stuart_ | tried the 1 liner nvidia install and still can't get glxgears to run |
| 10:04.27 | tchino | benjamindees: VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev 08:01. |
| 10:04.35 | stuart_ | anyone good in troubleshooting nvidia on debian here |
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| 10:05.06 | Coke | stuart_: nvidia stuff works the same regardless of distribution |
| 10:05.15 | benjamindees | tchino, what command are you using to mount? |
| 10:05.18 | stuart_ | okay then anyone good in troubleshooting nvidia on linux here |
| 10:05.22 | Coke | stuart_: unless you intend to use the debian packages |
| 10:05.25 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 10:05.51 | jetscreamer | you might not want the K |
| 10:06.00 | stuart_ | i have kernel headers module assistant and dpkg done, echo /etc/modules >> nvidia |
| 10:06.12 | stuart_ | basically everything most sites have told me.. and still glx doesn't want to run, what the |
| 10:06.47 | Coke | stuart_: what do you mean "dpkg done" |
| 10:07.02 | Zta | Coke, weirder ... if I do dhcpcd-bin ath0 it setup up the interface properly (madwifi=ath not eth in case you wonder). |
| 10:07.06 | Coke | stuart_: write less and read more, see jetscreamers comment |
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| 10:07.21 | Zta | Coke, not much output, though. |
| 10:07.25 | tchino | benjamindees: mount /mnt/ipod |
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| 10:07.37 | Coke | Zta: you need verbosity flags. might also end up output in /var/log/syslog or messages |
| 10:07.43 | stuart_ | already did that NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run no such file or directory |
| 10:07.57 | Coke | stuart_: wtf? |
| 10:08.02 | Coke | stuart_: yes, you need the actual file too |
| 10:08.10 | Coke | stuart_: download latest drivers from nvidia.com |
| 10:08.24 | stuart_ | and Coke its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 btw |
| 10:08.33 | cafuego | wtf is wrong with using nvidia-kernel-src like a sane human? |
| 10:08.59 | Coke | cafuego: it couldn't be simlper than running the nvidia installer |
| 10:09.29 | cafuego | Coke: one (hyphenated) word: modules-assistant |
| 10:09.42 | stuart_ | already did modules assistant too |
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| 10:09.45 | tchino | benjamindees: do you have an idea |
| 10:09.50 | CodeWarrior | hello |
| 10:09.52 | CodeWarrior | /usr/bin/ucf: line 55: debconf-loadtemplates: command not found |
| 10:09.55 | CodeWarrior | whats this? |
| 10:10.27 | Coke | cafuego: well, go ahead and tell stuart_ what he did wrong then. |
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| 10:10.40 | yebian | Im with coke |
| 10:10.48 | stuart_ | which do i get from the site though, ia32,64 or amd64 |
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| 10:11.04 | Coke | stuart_: match it to your processor |
| 10:11.07 | yebian | ia32 pent 3 boy |
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| 10:11.18 | stuart_ | alright |
| 10:12.02 | benjamindees | tchino, do you get any output from 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' ? |
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| 10:12.32 | stuart_ | well i'm gonna use jetscreamer's syntax, but before that how can i undo all the nvidia installations i've done? |
| 10:12.54 | cafuego | stuart_: How exactly did module-assistant not work? |
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| 10:13.07 | cafuego | stuart_: I just ran it for the first time EVER and I got a .deb |
| 10:13.12 | Coke | it just didn't show up at the office one morning ;) |
| 10:13.31 | stuart_ | cafuego, everything worked, no errors etc. but when i start glxgears it says GLX extension missing on display |
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| 10:13.46 | cafuego | stuart_: Did you install the .deb is created? |
| 10:14.05 | cafuego | stuart_: And 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' ? |
| 10:14.10 | Zta | Coke, So I enabled verbosity. Console outputs only MAC and my IP-address given my the dhcp-server. Syslog has a little more info, but not error messages. |
| 10:14.14 | Coke | stuart_: also note that you should use the "nvidia" driver for your X config, not "nv" |
| 10:14.16 | stuart_ | yeah nvidia-glx is newest version |
| 10:14.23 | Coke | Zta: and did you get the DNS? |
| 10:14.31 | stuart_ | oh? how'd i reconfig my X again |
| 10:14.31 | Zta | Coke, But again: Running the dhcp client maually for my device works! |
| 10:14.34 | stuart_ | i think that might be the problem |
| 10:14.40 | Zta | Coke, using ifup ath0 does not work. |
| 10:14.42 | cafuego | stuart_: less /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian |
| 10:14.45 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 10:14.46 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 10:14.54 | cafuego | stuart_: Do what that file says (the second half of it) |
| 10:14.56 | tchino | benjamindees: can isend it to #flood |
| 10:15.12 | Coke | cafuego: does that debconf have support for extra installed video drivers? |
| 10:15.14 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 10:15.23 | benjamindees | tchino, just look and see if there are a couple of partitions there, one that's vfat |
| 10:15.26 | cafuego | Coke: Once they're installed, yes. |
| 10:15.30 | Coke | cafuego: cool. |
| 10:15.42 | tchino | benjamindees: look in #flood |
| 10:15.42 | cafuego | Coke: The replacing of 'dri' with 'glx' in the X config is a manual job, though. |
| 10:15.50 | tchino | benjamindees: do you see there? |
| 10:15.53 | cafuego | Coke: But the docs are exceedignly clear about what to do. |
| 10:16.12 | stuart_ | less command not found lol looks like i gotta get back to apt |
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| 10:16.21 | cafuego | stuart_: 'more' then |
| 10:16.28 | cafuego | or even 'cat; |
| 10:16.30 | Coke | cafuego: it's getting there. I still do it all manually, but once they have all the pieces in place I'll do it the debian way |
| 10:16.36 | stuart_ | k gimme a sec.. changed to nvidia in X settings and restarting to see |
| 10:16.40 | stuart_ | do i need to reboot or just restart X |
| 10:16.41 | Zta | WHat scripts are run when I do: ifup ath0 and ath0 is configured to use dhcp? |
| 10:16.47 | cafuego | stuart_: Just restart X |
| 10:16.47 | Coke | stuart_: just X |
| 10:16.50 | stuart_ | k |
| 10:16.55 | cafuego | stuart_: Make sure the 'nvidia' kernel module is loaded first |
| 10:17.14 | Coke | cafuego: too late. n00bs never use screen and never understand that this is not windows |
| 10:17.16 | boyracerr | tried removing the dotdeb package and going back to 4.1 stable |
| 10:17.20 | boyracerr | server is back at least |
| 10:17.22 | benjamindees | tchino, and when you added /mnt/ipod to /etc/fstab, did you point it to /dev/sda2 ? |
| 10:17.25 | boyracerr | but no mysql functions |
| 10:17.45 | Coke | boyracerr: did you install mysql support for php4? |
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| 10:18.03 | boyracerr | its supposed to be bundled no? |
| 10:18.10 | cafuego | mysql in woody is 3.29, not 4.1 |
| 10:18.11 | Coke | boyracerr: quit being such a moron |
| 10:18.13 | CodeWarrior | /usr/bin/ucf: line 55: debconf-loadtemplates: command not found <=- any ideas why I would get that? |
| 10:18.15 | lower | ipod just uses usb-storage right? |
| 10:18.15 | stuart_ | doh it was as easy as changing it to nvidia perhaps i should seek the easier solutions next time |
| 10:18.18 | boyracerr | I'm sorry? |
| 10:18.21 | stuart_ | thanks guys you're saviors |
| 10:18.28 | cafuego | Coke: You're missing software. |
| 10:18.37 | Coke | cafuego: I am? |
| 10:18.50 | tchino | benjamindees: i have done it, it will be going, thank you very much |
| 10:18.51 | CodeWarrior | lower: hfs+ or fat32 filesystem for storage, and an itunes db to show songs. |
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| 10:19.00 | cafuego | stuart_: Is 'glx' enabled and are 'dri' and the other one disabled? |
| 10:19.03 | benjamindees | lower, does that mean it's added to fstab automatically? |
| 10:19.11 | Coke | boyracerr: if you just bothered to do "apt-cache search php4 mysql" you'd have seen that it is a separate package. |
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| 10:19.19 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: You're missing some software. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:19.22 | stuart_ | cafuego, you mean in X settings? |
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| 10:19.31 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 10:19.42 | cafuego | stuart_: Yes, check the README.Debian file I told you about. |
| 10:19.45 | Coke | boyracerr: and ofcourse it isn't bundled, why would people who don't use mysql want mysql support in php? |
| 10:19.48 | lower | benjamindees, no, but it means modprobe usb-storage should be all you need to mount manually, which is what you'd expect for most mp3 players |
| 10:19.49 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: That's not in debian. |
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| 10:20.08 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: someone has it in people.debian.org |
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| 10:20.31 | benjamindees | lower, right, he had all the necessary modules it appears |
| 10:20.32 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: Yes, beta packagesa and the other stuff in their repository is quite broken. Is there a reason you can't use php4-cli? |
| 10:20.53 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: I need php5. my app was written for it. |
| 10:21.12 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: email the created of the p[ackages, tell them they are broken. |
| 10:21.14 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: excuse me? |
| 10:21.19 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: heh |
| 10:21.34 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: I'm rolling my eyes at apps written for php5. |
| 10:21.37 | stuart_ | cafuego, crap didn't log this channel down, where is it in, /etc/.. |
| 10:21.52 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: it just uses the new OO stuff |
| 10:21.57 | cafuego | stuart_: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian |
| 10:22.00 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: and some php5 only calls |
| 10:22.08 | stuart_ | k thanks |
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| 10:22.35 | harx | hi everyone, there is someone who use a BJC-4300 ? I need some help, I try to use cups but it' doesnt recognize the printer.... |
| 10:22.37 | cafuego | stuart_: You will probably also want to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules |
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| 10:23.10 | jetscreamer | you don't have to add nvidia to modules: it gets loaded on the start of the xserver |
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| 10:23.41 | cafuego | CodeWarrior: Well, it looks like it has broken depends, as it's trying to execute `debconf-loadtemplates' which doesn't exist on your system. |
| 10:23.51 | jetscreamer | harx, all i know is linuxprinting.org |
| 10:23.52 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Keep dreaming. |
| 10:24.01 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 10:24.03 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: uhu |
| 10:24.06 | CodeWarrior | cafuego: uhuh* |
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| 10:24.16 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't say it if it wasn't true, esp since it's you |
| 10:24.19 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Unless I force it to load via 'modprobe' X crashes with 'driver not found'. |
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| 10:24.31 | genix | How do I connect to my DHCP server? I sometimes unplug my network cable and switch it to another computer, reboot and remember to plug it back after the autoprobing and do not want to reboot. |
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| 10:25.02 | lower | genix, ipdown, ipup? |
| 10:25.10 | jetscreamer | cafuego, this might be the difference between the .deb and the .run, i don't know... |
| 10:25.18 | SilentBob | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable |
| 10:25.21 | SilentBob | What is wrong with that? |
| 10:25.28 | eonn | can anyone tell me if there is a way of resolving hostnames to ip address's on a lan (eg so i can see which hosts have which ip's) |
| 10:25.29 | stuart_ | cafuego, i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and did everything, do i need anything for startup etc. or am i pretty much done |
| 10:25.39 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Either way, adding it to /etc/modules is safe enough. |
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| 10:26.04 | stuart_ | do i need modprobe nvidia and echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 10:26.05 | cafuego | stuart_: if you made those changes, you should be right. Restart X again and run 'glxgears'. |
| 10:26.06 | jetscreamer | cafuego, yeah i've added it, it does function w/o borkage |
| 10:26.23 | cafuego | stuart_: It's not a bad idea to add it. |
| 10:26.39 | jetscreamer | you 'may' or may not need to edit /etc/modules.conf, if the nvidia entry isn't there |
| 10:26.46 | genix | lower, is that what Linux is doing in the autoprobing to connect to DHCP? |
| 10:26.50 | stuart_ | restarting |
| 10:26.55 | cafuego | jetscreamer: You never edit /etc/modules.conf |
| 10:27.00 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt |
| 10:27.02 | cafuego | naughty boy. |
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| 10:27.11 | harx | jetscreamer: ok, I'll try and back if it's doesn't work... :) |
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| 10:27.17 | lower | genix, "autoprobing" as in loading the module? no. |
| 10:27.20 | cafuego | genix: just run 'ifdown -a; ifup -a' |
| 10:27.30 | jetscreamer | cafuego, it's one of those, sometimes you have to add the char-major thang for nvidia |
| 10:27.46 | cafuego | jetscreamer: /etc/modutils/* or /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 10:28.14 | jetscreamer | yeah so add main after stable, |
| 10:28.46 | genix | cafuego, ok |
| 10:28.47 | cafuego | Hmmm. '*' means "all files". There should be a glob char for "any random file" :-) |
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| 10:30.47 | carnage | hey i have an 80gig ntfs partition that i want to wipe out and replace with something friendly... which filesystem should i use? |
| 10:30.58 | jetscreamer | jfs or ext3 |
| 10:31.01 | Zta | Coke, AHA! I changed DHCP client. it works now and I don't care about anything else right now. Thanks for the help ;) |
| 10:31.01 | stuart_ | Um where does apt install files to, i'm looking for xmms |
| 10:31.04 | stuart_ | or is there a search file command |
| 10:31.04 | cafuego | carnage: Depends, will only Linux be accessing it? |
| 10:31.14 | stuart_ | because i want mozilla to open a pls. with: xmms |
| 10:31.14 | cafuego | stuart_: 'which xmms' |
| 10:31.18 | stuart_ | k |
| 10:31.22 | carnage | for now... yes |
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| 10:31.38 | jetscreamer | try /usr/bin, it's popular |
| 10:31.40 | cafuego | carnage: The ext3 would be a good choice. |
| 10:31.44 | carnage | it would be nice if it was friendly to bsd too |
| 10:31.55 | carnage | sounds good |
| 10:32.05 | cafuego | carnage: I *think* but am not sure whether BSD can read ext3. it should be able to... |
| 10:32.12 | carnage | it can |
| 10:32.18 | brett | find / -name "xmms" -print |
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| 10:32.46 | cafuego | brett: Ugh, that takes forever on 160GB ;-) |
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| 10:32.55 | jetscreamer | ls /usr/bin/xmms |
| 10:33.01 | stuart_ | so /usr/bin is the equivalent to windows' c:\program files |
| 10:33.10 | cafuego | stuart_: Alother option is 'dpkg -L xmms | grep bin' |
| 10:33.12 | jetscreamer | no not 'exactly' |
| 10:33.21 | jetscreamer | there are other places, but yeah mostly |
| 10:33.29 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 10:33.36 | jetscreamer | clear? |
| 10:33.37 | benjamindees | pretty close :) |
| 10:33.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 10:33.48 | cafuego | and C:\Windows is sort of like /sbin and /usr/sbin i guess |
| 10:33.59 | cafuego | And maybe /bin too |
| 10:34.00 | jetscreamer | and bin |
| 10:34.02 | stuart_ | what is grep exactly |
| 10:34.04 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 10:34.08 | cafuego | stuart_: 'man grep' |
| 10:34.12 | benjamindees | and /bin is like c:\windows\command |
| 10:34.14 | jetscreamer | find inside |
| 10:34.14 | stuart_ | and does | mean another line |
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| 10:34.27 | jetscreamer | no it's a pipe |
| 10:34.37 | jetscreamer | run it through it |
| 10:34.40 | cafuego | stuart_: '|' makes your shell do funky things with program output. |
| 10:34.55 | ACiDC0re | how can i set a standard font in windowmaker so apps will use this font ? |
| 10:35.03 | cafuego | stuart_: In this case, the output from 'dpkg -L' is fed as input into 'grep bin' |
| 10:35.33 | stuart_ | oh, so grep is more of like a filter? |
| 10:35.39 | cafuego | stuart_: So you can string together a heap of tiny programs to make a big long convoluted command. |
| 10:35.43 | cafuego | stuart_: Yep. |
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| 10:36.37 | stuart_ | ok am reading what dpkg really is, but i stil don't really get the | syntax |
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| 10:37.16 | genix | cafuego, Now the DHCP resond when I booted without networkcable and pluged it after Linux was loaded, that was impossible before "ifup -a", what does it do excatly? |
| 10:37.36 | cafuego | A neat example is (do NOT run this) 'ps ax | grep $(whoami) | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9' |
| 10:37.48 | cafuego | If you ran that, all your programs would be killed. |
| 10:38.14 | lower | unlikely.. a leading process would die first |
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| 10:38.42 | cafuego | genix: 'ifup -a' runs through /etc/network/interfaces and brings up all interfaces. |
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| 10:38.50 | cafuego | lower: Try it and let me know ;-) |
| 10:38.58 | cafuego | lower: Actually, that needs to be 'ps aux' |
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| 10:39.18 | takatumi | but "(do NOT run this)". |
| 10:39.25 | cafuego | genix: if you don't reboot the Linux box after you unplug the cable, but just leave it running, you don't need to run ifup at all. |
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| 10:40.58 | cafuego | nagual: No thanks, I gave those up over a decade ago. |
| 10:41.15 | nagual | and now you cant even take a smoke over irc? |
| 10:41.17 | nagual | why? |
| 10:41.18 | nagual | ;-) |
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| 10:41.44 | cafuego | nagual: Coz if i have a smoke I'll be back on those cancer causing cunts in no-time. |
| 10:41.45 | jetscreamer | cafuego, do you drink? |
| 10:41.45 | nagual | bit timeconsuming if you use it much, but if you like me do it a few times a year, while being off from work for a week... |
| 10:41.50 | SilentBob | So sarge is still in it's testing stages... |
| 10:41.52 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Frequently. |
| 10:41.54 | SilentBob | It's beta right? |
| 10:42.02 | nagual | ah, but its not any tobacco in it :) |
| 10:42.03 | jetscreamer | me, i quit drinking... |
| 10:42.11 | nagual | i hate drinking |
| 10:42.14 | cafuego | nagual: That depends on the quality. |
| 10:42.15 | nagual | hehe yea me too |
| 10:42.26 | nagual | thats what im talking about |
| 10:42.35 | jetscreamer | i suck at drinking, cant handle it. |
| 10:42.47 | nagual | maybe i should leave, im rather chatty and i dont know how hard they enforce the ontopic rules :) |
| 10:42.48 | jetscreamer | esp now that i havent in a long while |
| 10:42.52 | harx | jetscreamer: ther is someone which use debian who doesnt drink ??? ;) |
| 10:43.04 | Pumpkin_Pie | how do I leave something in screen? crl + A + D ? |
| 10:43.08 | nagual | i hate drinkng, if i take 1 beer im a bit hungover the next day |
| 10:43.09 | cafuego | jetscreamer: With a couple of glasses of wine per week I don't notice much in the way of adverse swimming performance, but at a pack a day of cigarettes I do. |
| 10:43.19 | nagual | my mom can tell on my voice when ihve had one beer the day after |
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| 10:43.21 | harx | nagual : really ? |
| 10:43.33 | nagual | yes |
| 10:43.34 | jetscreamer | i smoke 2 packs a day :( |
| 10:43.37 | cafuego | But having quit 4 months ago after 15 years of smoking... |
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| 10:43.44 | nagual | nice |
| 10:43.50 | jetscreamer | bastard! |
| 10:43.53 | nagual | yea, the weed brought me back on those |
| 10:43.55 | cafuego | I can now magically swim 1500m WITHOUT being dead at the end |
| 10:43.56 | jetscreamer | i need to quit |
| 10:44.05 | cafuego | and food tastes like food! |
| 10:44.16 | jetscreamer | and yo can smell things too, i know |
| 10:44.17 | pingouin | the nvidia stuff are still broken i guess ? |
| 10:44.26 | jetscreamer | nvidia works fine here |
| 10:44.26 | nagual | im gonna quit nexxt week though, i find it rather easy to quit. you just put them aside, buy a pack of chewing gum, and whenever you feel like having a smoke you work on your brad pit yaws and think about something else |
| 10:44.39 | cafuego | jetscreamer: yes, sadly that means I can smell tobacco smoke on people :-( |
| 10:44.43 | pingouin | jetscreamer: i cant install them :/ amd64 :/ |
| 10:44.44 | cafuego | jetscreamer: it's VILE |
| 10:44.52 | cafuego | pingouin: Works fine for me |
| 10:44.52 | pingouin | everything screw up |
| 10:45.06 | pingouin | cafuego: where did you get it ? |
| 10:45.08 | cafuego | pingouin: Which kernel you using? |
| 10:45.36 | pingouin | cafuego: i've just reintall everything, thus the X had sudenly segfault |
| 10:45.37 | jetscreamer | ah i know nothing of the 64bits |
| 10:45.45 | pingouin | cafuego: so for now i got and custom |
| 10:45.49 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Works 100% like the 32bit one. |
| 10:45.56 | pingouin | cafuego: so for now i got and debian kernel |
| 10:46.09 | cafuego | pingouin: Yes, which one? |
| 10:46.21 | stuart_ | is there a recycle bin in linux i should know about, i don't want my previous trash still lingering taking up space |
| 10:46.38 | cafuego | stuart_: There is one in KDE and one in Gnome. |
| 10:46.45 | stuart_ | i'm on xfce tho |
| 10:46.50 | pingouin | cafuego: i gonna chance cafuego , i just run it to find a way to make the nvidia working, or even the NV, because it's vesa now and killing the eyes :/ |
| 10:46.53 | cafuego | stuart_: if you use neither, 'rm' really mean 'rm'. There is no undo. |
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| 10:47.06 | cafuego | pingouin: Well, don't tell me, then. |
| 10:47.10 | stuart_ | neat |
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| 10:47.39 | stuart_ | alright gonna take a rest.. i've come far for a linux noob lol. tonight it'll be time to setup video |
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| 10:48.15 | cafuego | stuart_: That's easy. '/msg dpkg mplayer' for info. |
| 10:48.19 | stuart_ | there's one thing though, linux autoconnects my ethernet pppoe on reboot, i AM connected, but don't seem able to visit sites, chat, resolve dns etc. |
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| 10:48.43 | stuart_ | i must poff/ifconfig eth0 down/lo down/ppp1 down and recon using pon dsl-provider before i can resolve dns etc.. any idea why? |
| 10:49.03 | cafuego | stuart_: Check what it does to /etc/resolv.conf. That files needs to be mode 644 and has to contain at least one name server |
| 10:49.25 | stuart_ | cafuego, nameservers are correct |
| 10:49.39 | stuart_ | mode 644? so do i chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:49.43 | cafuego | stuart_: Can you ping any hosts or connect to them via their IP? |
| 10:49.57 | stuart_ | can't ping (if i'm still on the connection that it automatically gives me on bootup) |
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| 10:51.01 | cafuego | stuart_: Then you may not actually be online. |
| 10:51.17 | stuart_ | cafuego, but it shows my IP in ppp0 in ifconfig and all |
| 10:51.34 | cafuego | stuart_: What si that 'ppp1' all about, then? |
| 10:51.34 | stuart_ | and it only happens on boot. if i should ctrl+alt+backspace now and relogin i'm still online no problems. |
| 10:51.51 | jetscreamer | yeah, you're definitely not_online |
| 10:52.11 | stuart_ | how can i fix this then.. cos i'm not exactly sure where to troubleshoot |
| 10:52.20 | stuart_ | resolv.conf only has 2 nameserver lines |
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| 10:52.42 | pingouin | thx 4 the help :/ |
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| 10:52.50 | Kano | hi |
| 10:52.53 | stuart_ | and i hope users can connect online without needing root access |
| 10:52.54 | cafuego | stuart_: Can you paste the contents of /etc/network/intarfaces to our pastebot? http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:52.59 | Kano | how to enable gd support for php4? |
| 10:53.08 | Kano | installing php4-gd did not help |
| 10:53.15 | cafuego | Kano: apt-get install php4-gd (No, imagerotate() won't work) |
| 10:53.40 | jetscreamer | pingouin, #nvidia ? |
| 10:53.45 | Kano | cafuego: must be done something to enable it later? |
| 10:53.50 | pingouin | they said #debian |
| 10:53.55 | cafuego | Kano: Did you restart apache? |
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| 10:54.05 | cafuego | pingouin: Are you using a 2.6.9 or later kernel? |
| 10:54.16 | Kano | cafuego: not yet |
| 10:54.27 | pingouin | not yet |
| 10:54.27 | cafuego | Kano: Well, there's your problem. |
| 10:54.28 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 10:54.43 | jetscreamer | pingouin, ^^ |
| 10:54.50 | jetscreamer | lose the K |
| 10:54.51 | stuart_ | crap i can't copy the text from nano |
| 10:54.53 | pingouin | ok |
| 10:55.03 | pingouin | gonna try that |
| 10:55.11 | jetscreamer | no trailing / after include |
| 10:55.13 | pingouin | i'm not at one re install more |
| 10:55.23 | cafuego | stuart_: Sure you can, just select it. that copies it. |
| 10:55.31 | cafuego | stuart_: and middle-click in the paste form. |
| 10:55.48 | stuart_ | i selected it |
| 10:55.53 | stuart_ | didn't copy :( |
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| 10:56.04 | cafuego | ghhm. |
| 10:56.05 | stuart_ | nvm |
| 10:56.05 | stuart_ | did |
| 10:56.20 | stuart_ | pasted |
| 10:56.25 | stuart_ | i chose #flood |
| 10:56.29 | cafuego | What number? |
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| 10:56.33 | jetscreamer | but you pobably need the 2.6.9 action if cafuego said you do |
| 10:56.39 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 10:56.52 | cafuego | jetscreamer: he seems to not want to tell me his kernel version, so I dunno. |
| 10:56.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:57.12 | cafuego | jetscreamer: So I assume he doesn't want help. |
| 10:57.15 | orjan_ | If I use putty mc screen function keys just prints like F3=13¨ intead of working like when I use putty mc. What shall I check? |
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| 10:57.23 | stuart_ | cafuego, 362 |
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| 10:57.54 | cafuego | stuart_: Ok. The problem there is that dhcp runs on eth0 when you boot. |
| 10:58.08 | pingouin | jetscreamer: is this one, make the right links ? to the 32/64 lib/ ? |
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| 10:58.24 | test | still having problems with php4/mysql package installation |
| 10:58.37 | stuart_ | cafuego, do i disable dhcp then? |
| 10:58.41 | cafuego | test: apt-get install php4-mysq; restart apache; done. |
| 10:58.44 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 10:58.55 | test | have done so |
| 10:58.57 | cafuego | jetscreamer: See what I mean? |
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| 10:59.10 | jetscreamer | pingouin, huh? |
| 10:59.18 | SilentBob | Where can I get a good sources.list |
| 10:59.19 | pingouin | i run a amd64 |
| 10:59.20 | SilentBob | for a new debian user |
| 10:59.22 | cafuego | test: Check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini for a 'extension=mysql.so' line. |
| 10:59.29 | genix | How do I replace "/media/cdrom0" with "/mnt/hdc/" "cat new.htm | sed -e "s/media/cdrom0//mnt/hdc/g" > new.htm" |
| 10:59.31 | cafuego | SilentBob: run 'apt-setup' |
| 10:59.31 | jetscreamer | the script is supposed to make all required symlinks, yes |
| 10:59.35 | test | checked: its there |
| 10:59.41 | genix | won |
| 10:59.44 | pingouin | and the drivers broke everything with it |
| 10:59.46 | genix | won't work |
| 10:59.48 | SilentBob | With contrib/non-us/non-us-non-free/nonfree |
| 10:59.52 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, i answered you before, did you miss it? |
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| 11:00.04 | SilentBob | cafuego, I can get the third party repositories |
| 11:00.10 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, just add contrib non-free after main |
| 11:00.13 | cafuego | stuart_: pppoe runs over your eth0, is that correct? |
| 11:00.17 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, I can't get all the packages with those 2 lines |
| 11:00.18 | stuart_ | cafuego, yep |
| 11:00.20 | SilentBob | ahh, ok |
| 11:00.35 | test | aha |
| 11:00.38 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, And non-us-non-free? |
| 11:00.39 | cafuego | stuart_: Ok. Just remove those lines containing 'eth0' |
| 11:00.47 | test | looks like the extension dir may be set wrong |
| 11:01.02 | SilentBob | non-us-main |
| 11:01.05 | stuart_ | i just added a # in front of the lowest 2 lines |
| 11:01.07 | cafuego | test: if that's the case, you may need to run a dist-upgrade. |
| 11:01.14 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, you don't need that one, it's kinda deprecated... but that syntax is incorrect i think. (and do apt-get update after you edit) |
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| 11:01.25 | cafuego | SilentBob: non-US/main (note the capitalisation) |
| 11:01.29 | stuart_ | so i'll reboot now to test it? |
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| 11:01.43 | cafuego | stuart_: if you want to, but it'll work :-) |
| 11:01.48 | test | i'm going to change the ext-dir setting |
| 11:01.56 | bbskill | list |
| 11:02.05 | stuart_ | k thanks cafuego |
| 11:02.07 | genix | How do I replace "/media/cdrom0" with "/mnt/hdc/" in new.htm "cat new.htm | sed -e "s/media/cdrom0//mnt/hdc/g" > new.htm" won't work because off the slashes |
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| 11:02.27 | jetscreamer | escape them |
| 11:02.30 | SilentBob | non-US/non-free |
| 11:02.33 | SilentBob | also? |
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| 11:02.56 | cafuego | genix: You can't redirect output to the input file. it will WIPE it. |
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| 11:03.45 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt <--functions |
| 11:03.53 | cafuego | genix: You could use a different delimiter char in sed. like '#' instead of '/'. or you could use a spot of perl. perl -pi -e 's#media/cdrom0#/mnt/hdc#' new/htm |
| 11:04.12 | cafuego | genix: Note that you need an extra '/' there in my example. |
| 11:04.21 | cafuego | and a 'g' at the end. |
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| 11:04.37 | cafuego | perl -pi -e 's#/media/cdrom0#/mnt/hdc#g' new.htm |
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| 11:05.26 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, http://rafb.net/paste/results/0TpmO631.html |
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| 11:05.51 | tibo | hi |
| 11:06.28 | tibo | i have a problem with tomcat, i've just modify the PATH var in init script and tomcat is not running anymore |
| 11:06.34 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, this isn't a server or you wouldn't be installing mplayer. go sarge. |
| 11:06.39 | cafuego | tibo: Change it back then. |
| 11:06.53 | tibo | when i cancel my modification, tomcat is still failling to run |
| 11:06.54 | cafuego | tibo: And stop trying to fiox things that aren't broken ;-) |
| 11:06.59 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, "go sarge"? |
| 11:07.01 | genix | cafuego, thank you, worked great =), do I have more options if I use pearl in the script? |
| 11:07.13 | tibo | cafuego: changing it back doesnt work :/ |
| 11:07.18 | tibo | thats the matter |
| 11:07.23 | cafuego | genix: 'perl', not 'pearl'. Um, maybe, dunno, I HATE perl. |
| 11:07.32 | cafuego | tibo: Gotta be a typo then. |
| 11:07.37 | genix | cafuego, But you know it ;) |
| 11:07.40 | jetscreamer | !tell SilentBob about d-i |
| 11:07.45 | tibo | cafuego: no its not |
| 11:07.45 | cafuego | genix: I think THAT one-liner. |
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| 11:07.55 | cafuego | s/think/know/ |
| 11:08.02 | toresbe | Is it possible to edit /dev/mem? |
| 11:08.03 | stuart_ | cafuego, works great. thanks. |
| 11:08.10 | cafuego | stuart_: Told ya. |
| 11:08.47 | cafuego | tibo: Paste the PATH line. (just the one line) |
| 11:08.53 | tibo | ok |
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| 11:09.06 | tibo | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 11:09.13 | cafuego | toresbe: use 'dd' on it and see if you crash ;-) |
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| 11:09.53 | tibo | cafuego: it seems ok thats the problem mate |
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| 11:10.02 | cafuego | tibo: Were those 2 'local' dirs at the start of the line? |
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| 11:10.09 | genix | cafuego, Ok, both worked, replace with # or run pearl, which do you recommend |
| 11:10.12 | stuart_ | can i just get mplayer with get-apt, not much to configure is there? |
| 11:10.26 | cafuego | tibo: put a 'set -x' at the start of the script, that'll give you some debug info. |
| 11:10.52 | cafuego | stuart_: You can apt-get it after adding the marillat repositories. You'll also want 'w32codecs'. |
| 11:10.56 | toresbe | cafuego: There's a memory-mapped LCD on this bloody server |
| 11:11.00 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, Can you dump your sources.list in my pm? |
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| 11:11.03 | Kano | bye |
| 11:11.05 | toresbe | cafuego: I want to edit it! :) |
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| 11:11.14 | cafuego | toresbe: no API? |
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| 11:11.23 | test | dist-upgrade does nothing |
| 11:11.31 | test | correcting extension dir does nothing |
| 11:11.33 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, i'm tired of dumping my sources here... |
| 11:11.37 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt <--functions |
| 11:11.52 | cafuego | SilentBob: yes, but it's not going to be useful for you in any way, as my box is 1) not running debian and 2) An AMD64 box and 3) using a local mirror you can't access. |
| 11:12.35 | cafuego | genix: Well... you can use sed, BUT you cannot cat file | sed > file .. that will leave you with an empty file. |
| 11:12.43 | toresbe | cafuego: No, the Firmwarea uses it for diags and then it's not used anymore |
| 11:12.59 | jetscreamer | test, did we apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:12.59 | cafuego | genix: You'd have to run 'cat file | sed > file2; mv file2 file' |
| 11:13.17 | SilentBob | ahh, awesome jetscreamer |
| 11:13.27 | SilentBob | damn, I should have jsut copy and pasted that from the beginning. |
| 11:13.34 | SilentBob | I tried editing it, and I thought I made it better. |
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| 11:13.39 | SilentBob | But it was fine from the start. |
| 11:13.40 | SilentBob | lol |
| 11:13.42 | cafuego | toresbe: Maybe someone wrote a driver for it. is it some Compaq server or something? |
| 11:13.43 | jetscreamer | change the sid/unstable to whatever |
| 11:13.50 | toresbe | cafuego: It's an Alpha |
| 11:13.51 | jetscreamer | sarge imo, your choice though |
| 11:13.53 | toresbe | cafuego: It just says "Alpha-1" |
| 11:13.59 | SilentBob | Well I'm using sarge. |
| 11:14.00 | cafuego | toresbe: so "yes" ;-) |
| 11:14.02 | toresbe | cafuego: (the display, that is) |
| 11:14.04 | SilentBob | Do I need to change anything really? |
| 11:14.07 | SilentBob | Will it matter? |
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| 11:14.12 | cafuego | toresbe: Do a google, see if there's a driver. |
| 11:14.15 | toresbe | cafuego: It's not compaq!! :) |
| 11:14.28 | toresbe | cafuego: right now it's running OpenVMS |
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| 11:14.45 | genix | cafuego, no it didn't |
| 11:14.46 | cafuego | toresbe: Oh ffs, put it out of its misery! <heh> |
| 11:14.53 | yebian | finally |
| 11:14.59 | toresbe | cafuego: uh, not VMS, sorry |
| 11:15.03 | toresbe | cafuego: Tru64 |
| 11:15.05 | genix | cafuego, "cat new.htm | sed -e "s#media/cdrom0#/mnt/hdc#g" > new.htm" worked great |
| 11:15.11 | toresbe | cafuego: (toresbe is tired ;) |
| 11:15.12 | yebian | xorg doesnt suck |
| 11:15.19 | stuart_ | so marillat is apt-get too? |
| 11:15.25 | toresbe | stuart_: yes |
| 11:15.28 | cafuego | genix: Maybe the fixed bash, so it works now. Didn't used to. |
| 11:15.34 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, yeah if you pated that, you'd be running sid/unstable |
| 11:15.38 | jetscreamer | pasted |
| 11:15.41 | grepper | genix: sed will also do inplace substitution, unless you have an old sed |
| 11:15.50 | yalu | ok now I'm fed up with it. I am changing Jabber servers |
| 11:16.01 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, But I pasted and installed mplayer and unrar, and they both installed and work. |
| 11:16.06 | SilentBob | lol |
| 11:16.14 | jetscreamer | how nice |
| 11:16.16 | stuart_ | hm can't find package marillat |
| 11:16.24 | cafuego | toresbe: Sounds like you got some googling to do |
| 11:16.24 | jetscreamer | it's not a package it's a source |
| 11:16.43 | SilentBob | jetscreamer, So what do I change |
| 11:16.49 | stuart_ | source? |
| 11:16.51 | SilentBob | all the "unstable" to "sarge" |
| 11:17.02 | jetscreamer | yeah, just the words |
| 11:17.08 | jetscreamer | the_word |
| 11:17.10 | SilentBob | k |
| 11:17.10 | yebian | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 11:17.19 | toresbe | cafuego: Hah, ed actually lets me edit /dev/ram |
| 11:17.29 | jetscreamer | or testing, sarge==testing (for now) |
| 11:17.30 | genix | cafuego, but "cat new.htm | sed -e "s#media/cdrom0#/mnt/cafuego#g"; mv new.htm" gave me "/mnt/cafuegomv: missing file argument" |
| 11:17.33 | cafuego | toresbe: Does it let you save? |
| 11:17.38 | toresbe | cafuego: now... how the fuck do I use this program? :D |
| 11:17.45 | toresbe | cafuego: wouldn't want to... |
| 11:17.45 | yebian | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main universe restricted multiverse |
| 11:17.47 | cafuego | genix: yes, that's not what i typed. |
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| 11:18.04 | yebian | the ubuntu one gets you xorg |
| 11:18.08 | cafuego | toresbe: 'ed' ? Like vi. Edcept one line. |
| 11:18.28 | cafuego | yebian: it's not a smart idea to mix debian and ubuntu sources. |
| 11:18.29 | jetscreamer | ubuntu dev's been watching too much jet li |
| 11:18.36 | rixth | Can anyone reccomend a good application for capturing video from a capture card based on a BT878 chipset? |
| 11:18.45 | jetscreamer | video4linux |
| 11:18.45 | genix | cafuego, how then? |
| 11:18.51 | stuart_ | mplayer-586 is the one i should get? |
| 11:18.54 | cafuego | genix: Just use the perl thing. |
| 11:18.59 | yebian | either way thats apt-gettable binary for xorg. |
| 11:19.00 | rixth | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 11:19.01 | cafuego | stuart_: What cpu you got? |
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| 11:19.11 | cafuego | yebian: No, that's Xorg for Ubuntu. |
| 11:19.24 | stuart_ | cafuego, pentium 3 |
| 11:19.28 | cafuego | yebian: Please don't tell people here isn't a smart idea to install it on Debian. |
| 11:19.30 | yebian | cafuego: I just got the damn thing to work. |
| 11:19.33 | cafuego | stuart_: Then yes, 586 |
| 11:19.46 | cafuego | yebian: So that means it'll work for EVERYONE else too? |
| 11:19.47 | yebian | If it works it works |
| 11:19.56 | yebian | Prolly |
| 11:19.57 | cafuego | yebian: Are YOU going to help them when stuff breaks? Coz we won't. |
| 11:20.07 | jetscreamer | dammit that's not the name of it |
| 11:20.09 | emcee | !xorg |
| 11:20.09 | dpkg | i guess xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 11:20.28 | nomad_cz | ;) |
| 11:20.37 | genix | cafuego, now I see, well it's allright with just replacing with # so |
| 11:20.41 | cafuego | !xorg is also Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 11:20.42 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 11:20.48 | cafuego | genix: *nod* |
| 11:21.08 | stuart_ | do i need to pay heed to suggested/recommended packages |
| 11:21.24 | cafuego | stuart_: In case of mplayer, yeah.. you may as well. |
| 11:21.31 | jetscreamer | rixth, more like http://www.thedirks.org/v4l2/peopleprojects.htm |
| 11:21.46 | stuart_ | dang is there a command to get em all because it'll be boring apt'ing em 1by1 |
| 11:21.54 | cafuego | ANd on that note I'm going to watch tv like a moron and droll on the couch. |
| 11:22.00 | yebian | you can apt more than one at once |
| 11:22.14 | cafuego | stuart_: Run it in X, so you paste them all into your ap-tget line. |
| 11:22.14 | stuart_ | ooh yeah forgot |
| 11:22.15 | yebian | apt-get install name name name name name name |
| 11:22.26 | SilentBob | What is the hotkey in gnome to switch work places. |
| 11:22.32 | SilentBob | In fluxbox it was alt f1-f4 |
| 11:22.51 | emcee | later cafe_roy |
| 11:22.54 | genix | SilentBob, Ctrl+Alt+LEFTARROW/RIGHTARROW |
| 11:22.55 | emcee | cafuego even |
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| 11:23.08 | wrd | immer aufraeumen |
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| 11:23.17 | SilentBob | Thanks genix |
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| 11:24.13 | yebian | Sid is always unstable |
| 11:24.18 | genix | SilentBob, Don't forgett ALT+F2 |
| 11:24.35 | jetscreamer | dammit i can't find the name... it's almost called that rixth |
| 11:25.04 | jetscreamer | ctrl+alt+# works too |
| 11:25.06 | rixth | I need somthing I can capture frm VHS |
| 11:25.15 | test | this is driving me mad |
| 11:25.23 | test | everything implies mysql should work |
| 11:25.24 | rixth | ill also need a good video editor, canm you eccomend a good one? |
| 11:25.27 | test | and it doesn't |
| 11:25.36 | tibo | any tomcat guru around ? |
| 11:25.38 | lower | test, seems like an oxymoron |
| 11:26.01 | test | i know |
| 11:26.05 | genix | jetscreamer, for what? I not able to use it |
| 11:26.10 | test | but I have checked everything i can find |
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| 11:26.24 | test | can't work out what i am missing |
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| 11:27.09 | tibo | when i cancel my modification, tomcat is still failling to run |
| 11:27.16 | tibo | i have a problem with tomcat, i've just modify the PATH var in init script and tomcat is not running anymore |
| 11:27.20 | tibo | :) |
| 11:27.26 | test | if anyone has any suggestions, i'm desperate |
| 11:27.32 | lower | the problem with tomcat is.. |
| 11:27.32 | jetscreamer | genix, huh? |
| 11:27.34 | lower | tomcat. |
| 11:27.58 | rixth | http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ there we got jetscreamer! |
| 11:28.01 | tibo | lower: that aint funny |
| 11:28.18 | genix | jetscreamer, "ctrl+alt+# works too" |
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| 11:28.46 | Xer | hi |
| 11:28.52 | Xer | how to get loop ? |
| 11:28.54 | lower | tibo, coming from the "experience maintaining j*", it's prettying fucking funny. |
| 11:29.00 | Xer | i cant find loop in /dev or in /.dev ? |
| 11:29.15 | lower | sans expletive, not sure on freenode policy on those. apologies if relevant. |
| 11:29.41 | Xer | ... |
| 11:29.52 | Xer | anyone can tell me why i cant find loop? |
| 11:29.58 | emcee | Xenguy: what are you trying to accomplish? (TM) |
| 11:30.00 | emcee | er |
| 11:30.02 | emcee | Xer |
| 11:30.09 | emcee | Xer: are you looking for the loopback device? |
| 11:30.19 | Xer | maybe ;) |
| 11:30.25 | jetscreamer | rixth, i'm also checking out this thing called jashaka, haven't done anything but compile it |
| 11:30.26 | emcee | Maybe we can help ;) |
| 11:30.29 | jetscreamer | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/11/0459251 also |
| 11:30.39 | lower | Xer, modprobe loop? |
| 11:30.41 | Xer | <<<==== dont know loop what this for but im sure i complie it in kernel |
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| 11:30.50 | jetscreamer | Xer, yeah that modprobe |
| 11:30.52 | Xer | im trying to make my livecd and i cant find loop |
| 11:31.02 | jetscreamer | cloop |
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| 11:31.16 | Xer | ... |
| 11:31.20 | Xer | cloop ? |
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| 11:32.55 | Xer | could anyone tell me from where i can find the loop file? |
| 11:33.09 | jetscreamer | did you modprobe loop? |
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| 11:33.32 | jetscreamer | and knoppix uses cloop for their live cd's is all i know |
| 11:33.39 | Xer | "modprobe loop" <- you mean writeing this in bash ? |
| 11:33.48 | Xer | im useing slax ;) |
| 11:34.00 | Xer | no wait |
| 11:34.09 | Xer | live cd from scratch :P |
| 11:34.23 | Xer | im trying to build livecd from scratch :) |
| 11:34.27 | jetscreamer | yes, bash |
| 11:34.31 | TinoW | .oO(cryptoloop) |
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| 11:34.35 | jetscreamer | load the loop module |
| 11:34.46 | Xer | tell me the command plz |
| 11:34.48 | Xer | i will do now |
| 11:34.54 | Xer | whats i have to write? |
| 11:34.56 | stuart_ | what games are there for linux |
| 11:34.58 | jetscreamer | i know nothing though |
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| 11:35.11 | bodq | hello |
| 11:35.11 | Xer | ... |
| 11:35.17 | jetscreamer | modprobe blah |
| 11:35.19 | Xer | hi bodq |
| 11:35.22 | jetscreamer | or hey |
| 11:35.23 | lower | bodq, allah. |
| 11:35.25 | jetscreamer | try modconf |
| 11:35.30 | bodq | what's the difference between e100 and eepro100 ? |
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| 11:35.33 | pingouin | i hate nvidia |
| 11:35.35 | pingouin | i hate ati |
| 11:35.37 | jetscreamer | eepro |
| 11:35.37 | pingouin | ;) |
| 11:35.37 | transgress | stuart_ apt-cache search games |
| 11:35.40 | bodq | i.e. whatt would I prefer to use? |
| 11:35.52 | TinoW | if modprobe is a hurdle, he will be a hard time building a live CD from scratch ;) |
| 11:35.54 | Xer | brb [ i will use linux now :)] |
| 11:35.55 | lower | bodq, pci? eepro100. |
| 11:36.01 | jetscreamer | oops.. epro |
| 11:36.08 | Xer | haaaaaaaa! |
| 11:36.22 | lower | isa.. e100. |
| 11:36.48 | bodq | lower: isa?? :) no isa since ~2000 :) |
| 11:37.25 | lower | bodq, you'd be surprised.. debian is pretty popular in the third world |
| 11:37.38 | bodq | lower: i'm in the third world too, so i knew that :) |
| 11:38.08 | lower | greetings from a probably neighbour |
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| 11:39.00 | bodq | lower: i'm afraid we're on the pretty much opposite sides of the globe :) |
| 11:39.20 | lower | what are you? in washington, dc/ |
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| 11:40.22 | bodq | lower: no, i'm in Ukraine. probably I misunderstand geography :) |
| 11:40.41 | TinoW | Ukraine is nice. |
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| 11:40.55 | simonrvn | the planet is nice |
| 11:41.05 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:41.08 | bodq | thank you, TinoW, I like it too |
| 11:41.34 | TinoW | well, my gf is from somewhere there, so it must be nice ;) |
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| 11:41.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:42.54 | bodq | TinoW: greetings to your gf from her supposedly countrymen |
| 11:43.19 | TinoW | :-) |
| 11:43.21 | bodq | lower: actually I've found the answer in lkml, it says e100 is usually better |
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| 11:44.35 | TinoW | bodq: e1000 is even better .-) |
| 11:44.35 | lower | e100 is isa isn't it? |
| 11:44.40 | jm_ | no it's not |
| 11:45.03 | lower | k |
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| 11:45.13 | bodq | lower: nope |
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| 11:45.20 | gabrod24 | so one wath speak spanish |
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| 11:45.24 | bodq | lower: it's IBM's driver |
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| 11:45.36 | bodq | lower: whereas eepro100 is some-other-dude's driver |
| 11:45.45 | simonrvn | gabrod24: #debian-es do |
| 11:45.45 | bodq | e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.27-k2-NAPI |
| 11:45.45 | bodq | eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/eepro100.html |
| 11:45.47 | lower | for the same card? |
| 11:45.52 | jm_ | Intel's driver ;) |
| 11:45.52 | _jeanmi__ | does anybody here use cyrdeliver with cyrus21 ? and unixherarchysep: yes ? |
| 11:45.57 | bodq | lower: right |
| 11:46.01 | gabrod24 | alguien habla español |
| 11:46.10 | bodq | jm_: right, sorry :) |
| 11:46.16 | lower | gabrod24, como esta? |
| 11:46.28 | gabrod24 | bien |
| 11:46.29 | jeanmi___ | I am trying cyrdeliver user/joe@domain.com and getting that the mailbox does not exist |
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| 11:46.31 | lower | bodq, that seems.. dumb. |
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| 11:46.37 | gabrod24 | tengo unos dramas con el debian |
| 11:46.39 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: where? |
| 11:46.42 | bodq | lower: please elaborate on that :) |
| 11:46.57 | TinoW | gabrod24: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ |
| 11:47.00 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: cyradm? |
| 11:47.01 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn where ? when I try cyrdeliver -m user/foo@domain.tld |
| 11:47.06 | bodq | it's a pity we don't have man e100 like freebsd gyus have :( |
| 11:47.13 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn in cyradm my users are such as user/joe@domain.tld |
| 11:47.15 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: do foo@domain.td |
| 11:47.33 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: that unixheirsep only applies to certain things. |
| 11:47.35 | gabrod24 | es que soy nuevo en el linux |
| 11:47.43 | TinoW | bodq: yes, and modinfo e100 is also next to useless |
| 11:47.48 | gabrod24 | no tengo mucha experiencia con el shell bash |
| 11:47.54 | lower | linux no es bueno |
| 11:48.00 | yebian | xorg beats Xfree86's ass |
| 11:48.03 | lower | linux es badass |
| 11:48.06 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn it tells "+foo@domain.tld: Mailbox does not exist" |
| 11:48.20 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: try without the + |
| 11:48.22 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn "I have tried each and every possible combination" |
| 11:48.30 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn non I did not set any + |
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| 11:48.46 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn the command I gave was just cyrdeliver -m joe@domain.tld |
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| 11:48.54 | gabrod24 | mi drama es con el sasl2-bin |
| 11:49.04 | amahbod | hi |
| 11:49.19 | lower | gabrod24, sasl2-bin.. puta. |
| 11:49.27 | TL | anyone know what the following error message mean "Error 502: command not implemented" in postfix ? |
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| 11:49.35 | amahbod | how can i view how many bytes have been transfered over a nic? |
| 11:49.35 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: what's the log(s) say about it, the user i mean? |
| 11:49.47 | amahbod | i thought that i could use ifconfig to do it but i can't figure it out |
| 11:49.53 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn I have also tried cyrdeliver -a joe@domain.com -m user/joe@domain.com, acually every possible combination I though of |
| 11:49.57 | TinoW | amahbod: man netstat |
| 11:50.09 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn the logs say nothing |
| 11:50.31 | lower | amahbod, proc/net/dev? |
| 11:50.34 | gabrod24 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:50.34 | gabrod24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.34 | gabrod24 | ekix: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:50.48 | TL | I am attempting to send mail from telnet.. postfix SMTP.. but am getting an "Error 502: command not implemented" |
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| 11:50.58 | TL | anyone here who can help ? |
| 11:50.59 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: i'd suggest checking the html docs, i'm missing something that i think they might cover. i solved that, but i don't remember how. sorry :/ |
| 11:51.05 | gabrod24 | como lo podria solucionar? |
| 11:51.15 | amahbod | TinoW, it only shows the # of Ipkts |
| 11:51.20 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn do you have it in production ? |
| 11:51.33 | amahbod | TinoW, and Opkts, but not bytes or bits |
| 11:51.37 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: no. though i need to set it up for that |
| 11:51.37 | lower | issues in production are the bestest. |
| 11:51.42 | pulu | does anyone know how i can tell exactly what cpu i've got based on the information in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 11:51.55 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn I remember that with cyrus-1.5 cyrdeliver used to say "mailbox does not exist" when I was not setting -a for instance |
| 11:52.03 | pulu | like a table that says cpu family x and model x is this cpu |
| 11:52.09 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn ok then |
| 11:52.14 | simonrvn | lemme check what version is this? |
| 11:52.28 | TinoW | amahbod: ah. cat /proc/net/dev |
| 11:52.45 | SilentBob | hmmm, Why is the unrar syntax different in debian then in fedora |
| 11:52.54 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn my version ? 2.1.13 |
| 11:52.59 | gabrod24 | lower: sabes algo del problema para instalar esa libreria |
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| 11:53.04 | SilentBob | I used to just "unrar e file.rar ." |
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| 11:53.37 | lower | gabrod24, wtf are you doing installing liberia? you some sort of communist? |
| 11:53.37 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: did you try with user.joe@domain.tld? |
| 11:53.45 | amahbod | TinoW, but there is no way to do it with ifconfig or netstat? |
| 11:53.50 | lower | omg, are you from an oil rich nation? prepare to be invade. |
| 11:53.50 | takatumi | what was the command to display all the nicks in the channel? |
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| 11:54.35 | lower | takatumi, /list |
| 11:54.57 | gabrod24 | lower:my english is horrible |
| 11:55.23 | lower | gabrod24, i don't speak any other and mine is worse.. let's have a drink. |
| 11:55.29 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn same |
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| 11:55.48 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn and in that case it's even more confusing for cyrdeliver because of the .tld |
| 11:56.00 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: hmm, true |
| 11:56.10 | gabrod24 | let`? |
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| 11:56.52 | gabrod24 | existe alguien de habla hispana |
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| 11:58.43 | emcee | !es |
| 11:58.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:58.56 | TinoW | amahbod: ifconfig shows bytes too. What do you want to do? |
| 12:00.00 | ekix | gabrod24, i really don't care |
| 12:02.07 | amahbod | TinoW, what is the syntax to get ifconfig to show bytes? i am trying to get the # of bytes to have a script auto-change my MAC address whenever i reach a certain bandwidth limit/day |
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| 12:03.06 | memic | haha changing mac |
| 12:03.25 | amahbod | :) |
| 12:03.45 | memic | my ifconfig resetes after 4gb |
| 12:03.49 | amahbod | i am also trying to parse "w" with sed to make an html table, if anyone wants to help ;) |
| 12:03.50 | TinoW | amahbod: ah oh well. maybe you want to consider a routing daemon and a bandwidh logger? ;) |
| 12:04.05 | amahbod | TinoW, well i wanted the bytes thing for something else |
| 12:04.05 | jm_ | ifconfig shows it in bytes for me |
| 12:04.07 | TinoW | amahbod: w ? |
| 12:04.09 | memic | would do it with ifconfig |
| 12:04.13 | memic | would not |
| 12:04.15 | amahbod | k |
| 12:04.24 | jm_ | RX bytes:3119674747 (2.9 GiB) TX bytes:1044268905 (995.8 MiB) |
| 12:04.33 | amahbod | TinoW, is w not installed by default? |
| 12:04.37 | TinoW | amahbod: I'm using the proc file for a live display of thrughput |
| 12:04.55 | TinoW | ah. last/lastlog |
| 12:05.08 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn I have created a mailbox without @domain.tld |
| 12:05.12 | jm_ | amahbod: there are some nice sed documents out there, starting with sed&awk book from O'Reilly, or seders page, but what's your question? |
| 12:05.12 | memic | TinoW which proc file? |
| 12:05.23 | TinoW | memic: /proc/net/dev |
| 12:05.26 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn just foobar |
| 12:05.32 | amahbod | jm_, not really a question, its just alot of work and i'm lazy ;) |
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| 12:05.52 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn so then if I cyrdeliver -m user/foobar it says mailbox does not exist |
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| 12:06.11 | simonrvn | okaaay |
| 12:06.18 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn however if I specify -a, ie cyrdeliver -a foobar -m user/foobar then it works great |
| 12:06.30 | memic | TinoW does it display bytes over 4 GB? |
| 12:06.40 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn so obviously the probleme resids in the the @domain.com |
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| 12:06.54 | orjan_ | If I use putty mc screen function keys just prints 13¨ on mc's command line when I press F3, instead of working like when I use putty mc. What shall I check? |
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| 12:07.42 | jeanmi___ | simonrvn with bob@domain it does already not work |
| 12:07.55 | jeanmi___ | lunch time |
| 12:07.57 | simonrvn | jeanmi___: hmm. yeh. you might need to escape it, or use something else... or try a different version. you know, check out the mailing list (cyrus-user or something, hosted at the same site as the source tarballs are IIRC) and see if you can find anything about that |
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| 12:10.28 | disc-q | kernel log buffer size for amd athlon xp... SMP or uniprocessor? |
| 12:10.40 | directhex | uniprocessor |
| 12:10.58 | disc-q | thx directhex |
| 12:11.09 | disc-q | what does SMP mean then? |
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| 12:11.26 | harx | someone have yet test CEDEGA ? |
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| 12:11.41 | directhex | symmetric multi processing, i.e. 2+ cpus (or hyperthreaded pentium 4) |
| 12:11.45 | directhex | harx, yes, why? |
| 12:11.57 | chealer | !debian community forum |
| 12:11.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian community forum is at http://design2i.com/debian/ |
| 12:12.05 | chealer | !forget debian community forum |
| 12:12.05 | dpkg | chealer: i forgot debian community forum |
| 12:12.08 | directhex | or shared memory programming, too |
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| 12:12.34 | Vukodlak | hi |
| 12:12.45 | Vukodlak | does anyone know why all gtk1 apps come with extremely small and ugly fonts? |
| 12:12.48 | disc-q | directhex: thx |
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| 12:12.55 | directhex | gtk1 is small and ugly? |
| 12:12.59 | chealer | !forums |
| 12:12.59 | dpkg | it has been said that forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org |
| 12:13.00 | Nitsua | My resolution is running at 640 x 480 when I dpkg-reconfigure I don't see Intel in the video card manufacturer list. |
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| 12:13.08 | ahan | hello everybody |
| 12:13.13 | directhex | Nitsua, i810? |
| 12:13.13 | chealer | ^^ is there something more official among the above forums? |
| 12:13.25 | directhex | chealer, no |
| 12:13.29 | Vukodlak | anyone knows how to fix it? :| |
| 12:13.39 | directhex | install gtk-theme-switch? |
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| 12:13.46 | chealer | directhex: ok, thanks anyway |
| 12:14.10 | ahan | i've got some trouble wih udev, i installed a debian sarge, and after i do a apt-get install 2.6.8-2 and it use udev, so i've got a /dev/ directory and /.dev/ but i've got my dvb card in /.dev/dvb/adapter0/ but NOT in my /dev/ so what's the trouble |
| 12:14.12 | Nitsua | directhex, um is that it? It's an onboard card. |
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| 12:14.20 | ahan | if anyone has an idea :) |
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| 12:14.32 | directhex | Nitsua, all intel's onboard crap is served by that driver, if i remember correctly |
| 12:14.56 | Vukodlak | directhex, doesn't fix |
| 12:14.56 | Vukodlak | :| |
| 12:15.02 | Vukodlak | directhex, let me take a snapshot |
| 12:15.13 | directhex | ahan, if it's not in the udev'd /dev, then the driver isn't loaded. try modprobing the appropriate chip & frontend modules |
| 12:15.52 | ahan | directhex, but it's loaded, my /etc/modules is correct and dmesg is right too, so why can i use my card when i stop udev ? |
| 12:15.58 | harx | directhex : I can't make any install whith it.... I tried to install trackmania for example.. but I've got a crach just after the first windows... I'dont know why |
| 12:16.23 | directhex | harx, install a game which is known to work |
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| 12:16.41 | directhex | harx, which graphics card driver do you use? |
| 12:17.01 | harx | nvidia of course !! ;) |
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| 12:17.16 | directhex | definitely working? |
| 12:17.17 | Vukodlak | directhex, http://dinale.altervista.org/gtk.jpg |
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| 12:17.26 | Vukodlak | directhex, is this a known problem? :| |
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| 12:17.43 | ahan | Vukodlak, install transcoded font |
| 12:17.46 | ahan | for X |
| 12:17.48 | Vukodlak | ahan, i did |
| 12:17.55 | Vukodlak | apt-get install .*-transcoded$ |
| 12:17.59 | Vukodlak | nothing changed |
| 12:18.02 | directhex | you can't select a different theme & font in gtk-theme-switch? |
| 12:18.11 | Vukodlak | directhex, yep, but doesn't change |
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| 12:18.36 | Vukodlak | ahan, should i do other stuff than install transcoded? |
| 12:18.51 | directhex | just works for me |
| 12:19.02 | Vukodlak | such as restart xfree or something? |
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| 12:19.59 | kneet | I'm looking for a debian (or at least linux) package to extract from a PDF the list of bookmark titles and their pages - would appreciate any hints :) |
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| 12:22.01 | Vukodlak | c u |
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| 12:24.43 | nomad_cz | ;) |
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| 12:26.43 | tiger1020x | good morn all |
| 12:27.02 | harx | tiger1020x: good morning Mr ! |
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| 12:28.46 | MrMeee | I want to remove x-windows and all components using sarge |
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| 12:30.02 | harx | MrMeee : have u try apt-get remove x-window_system_core ? |
| 12:30.23 | MrMeee | it only seems to want to remvoe about .5mb of files |
| 12:30.45 | MrMeee | i know it loaed more than that when i isntalled it |
| 12:31.34 | jor | MrMeee: remove xlibs or something like that, and remove leftovers with deborphaner |
| 12:32.19 | MrMeee | ok |
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| 12:34.03 | harx | jor : I dont find package "something like that"...... ok , I'm going out.... :-P |
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| 12:43.33 | oKtosiTe | I want to encrypt a large number of files and store them on a portable device. I need to be able to access them from any Linux or Windows machine. Does anyone know if this is possible? |
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| 12:43.51 | wers | whats the name of that OpenGL app... gears something...?! |
| 12:44.03 | jor | glxgears |
| 12:44.05 | oKtosiTe | glxgears I think |
| 12:44.08 | wers | jor Thanx! |
| 12:44.29 | oKtosiTe | :-| |
| 12:44.44 | disc-q | mtrr for athlon xp ? |
| 12:44.48 | wers | oKtosiTe .. Ja.. thank you to :) |
| 12:45.07 | oKtosiTe | :-D |
| 12:45.15 | wers | oKtosiTe .. if the gears are spinning like fucking mad, opengl should be working right? |
| 12:45.17 | jor | oKtosiTe: encrypt the whole device, or just individual files? |
| 12:45.46 | oKtosiTe | jor, I would encrypt the whole device, but I'm not sure that I can still access it from Windows then |
| 12:45.53 | fez | Hi guys, I'm having trouble setting a new hostname for a server i'm running, even though i've modified /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname and restarted networking, the machine still identifies itself as the old name when I try to send mail from it |
| 12:46.15 | jor | wers: well, openGL would be working. but I think you mean hardware acceleration, check glxinfo output for that, specifically the line with direct rendering |
| 12:46.18 | petemc | fez: if you're using exim you can set primary_hostname or helo_data |
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| 12:46.44 | wers | jor.. ok thnx |
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| 12:47.46 | fez | petemc> Ah, i'll try that out. |
| 12:47.58 | jor | oKtosiTe: probably not, I don't think the linux device encryption stuff has been ported to windows :) |
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| 12:48.21 | jor | oKtosiTe: indivual files, or all of them inside some package format would be an option |
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| 12:48.38 | Mardus | Hi |
| 12:48.54 | Mardus | Anyone know a console viewer for gifs and jpegs? |
| 12:49.17 | petemc | Mardus: are you using a framebuffer? |
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| 12:49.45 | oKtosiTe | jor, the disadvantage of encrypting a package file, is the overhead, everytime I want to use the files, or when a single file needs updating |
| 12:49.54 | Mardus | petemc: Yes. There's an S3Trio64V+ video card, but I can't get X to work there. |
| 12:50.24 | kimairam | How do I know what version i'm using? |
| 12:50.34 | oKtosiTe | jor, I guess I'll just have to write some scripts myself... working with gnupg now |
| 12:50.48 | harx | kimairam : of what ? |
| 12:50.50 | petemc | Mardus: links should work then |
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| 12:51.08 | Mardus | petemc: links doesn't let me login anywhere. |
| 12:51.30 | petemc | elinks maybe |
| 12:51.56 | kimairam | how can i know what version of debian i'm using? |
| 12:52.02 | Xenguy | kimairam: cat /etc/issue |
| 12:52.29 | Mardus | petemc: I got elinks from apt, but it's 0.4pre5 (I have woody) |
| 12:52.37 | harx | kimairam : uname -a |
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| 12:53.08 | harx | sorry it's just for the kernel version... |
| 12:53.41 | Mardus | petemc: So I have here links-ssh, and in About box it says it's Elinks 0.4pre5 |
| 12:53.42 | mooded | kimairam, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:53.54 | petemc | Mardus: not sure what to tell you |
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| 12:54.16 | Mardus | petemc: I guess this particular version of ELinks is too old. |
| 12:54.24 | kimairam | thanks a lot ;-) |
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| 12:59.09 | Mardus | I tried apt-get upgrade links-ssh, but then apt wished to download 29-35Mb of archives (kdelibs3 was held back). |
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| 12:59.42 | caphuso | Mardus: "apt-get upgrade" doesn't take package names as arguments |
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| 13:00.11 | Mardus | caphuso: What does upgrade do then? |
| 13:00.18 | TinoW | Mardus: apt-cache policy links-ssl |
| 13:00.19 | caphuso | Mardus: man apt-get, /usr/share/doc/apt* |
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| 13:00.28 | TinoW | Mardus: the package is links-ssl, not links-ssh |
| 13:00.44 | Mardus | TinoW, I confuse them when typing. |
| 13:01.00 | TinoW | Mardus: I guessed so ;) |
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| 13:01.26 | TinoW | do not confuse ls -l with rm -rf / |
| 13:01.28 | TinoW | ;) |
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| 13:01.52 | Mardus | Tino, I think I get the joke... |
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| 13:02.14 | Mardus | TinoW, it's just ssh/ssl, only that ssl is the right thing. |
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| 13:03.12 | mirco | Someone in here who also discoverd some probs during "upgrade"? Last night 22h till now all MET some of the pckg's on my mirror seem to broken |
| 13:03.52 | Mardus | There's zgv available to see jpegs, only that even its own homepage doesn't tell if I can see anything in the console. |
| 13:04.16 | jerome | anyone using mod_chroot for apache ? The site is down, and I would have liked some enlightened opinions about it. |
| 13:04.27 | Mardus | apt-cache says zgv is just an SVGAlib-based graphics viewer. |
| 13:04.41 | jerome | (the site being down is pretty frightening) |
| 13:04.48 | xophEr | how do I connect remotely to my computer via ssh? |
| 13:04.54 | TinoW | xophEr: man ssh |
| 13:04.57 | greycat | xophEr: with an ssh client |
| 13:04.57 | mirco | the pckg's broken ftp2.de.debian.org are tetex*.. perl perl-base console-common |
| 13:04.59 | TinoW | xophEr: man sshd |
| 13:05.04 | xophEr | k |
| 13:05.33 | TinoW | xophEr: or just apt-get install ssh - which asks you if you want to run the daemon. But read the manfiles for your security |
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| 13:06.15 | wers | Is there a way to install a .rpm in debian or can i convert it somehow to .deb? |
| 13:06.21 | mooded | wers, alien |
| 13:06.21 | greycat | wers: alien |
| 13:06.26 | wers | : ) |
| 13:06.28 | wers | thanx |
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| 13:07.55 | greycat | % removes text on the RIGHT. |
| 13:07.59 | greycat | bah. ECHAN. |
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| 13:09.24 | wers | ...works like a dream. |
| 13:10.19 | wers | .. how do i give a user permission to use my DVD-r, what group do i have to be member in? |
| 13:10.19 | harx | wers : works like a dream ? |
| 13:10.30 | wers | harx.. this here Alien. |
| 13:10.39 | wers | harx.. to convert rpg to deb |
| 13:10.51 | greycat | wers: cdrom group, and also chgrp cdrom /dev/whatever |
| 13:10.53 | genix | Can I view some log for out trafic at the internet? |
| 13:11.04 | harx | wers : ok !!:-P |
| 13:11.08 | wers | greycat thanx. |
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| 13:11.15 | petemc | genix: unless you're using squid or something, not really |
| 13:11.29 | Mardus | I got zgv installed and it works fine |
| 13:11.39 | mattboll | genix: apt-cache search bandwidth |
| 13:11.54 | mattboll | there is some things but may be not what you want :/ |
| 13:12.00 | Mardus | zgv is a jpeg viewer |
| 13:12.12 | genix | hmm, I have 13G out trafic and have not send a single file |
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| 13:12.23 | genix | 13GB! |
| 13:12.25 | wers | ..that worked to. amazing.. |
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| 13:13.13 | genix | Could I have been hacked? |
| 13:13.49 | petemc | anythings possible |
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| 13:14.12 | harx | genix : have you watch your log file ? |
| 13:14.25 | genix | harx: which one? |
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| 13:15.43 | harx | I think /var/log/userlog can show u some detail |
| 13:15.44 | genix | harx, Which log file should I watch? |
| 13:15.51 | genix | harx, ok |
| 13:16.03 | petemc | userlog? |
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| 13:16.52 | harx | petemc : i'm not sure, i'm not behind now.... |
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| 13:17.58 | sikes | debian sarge installer floppies: the installer compleins that the kernel on the flo (2.4.27) is not the same than in the archives on the mirro |
| 13:18.03 | jetscreamer | yesterday was a terribly fuxored day |
| 13:18.17 | jetscreamer | i guess i could have died and it would have been worse |
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| 13:18.25 | jetscreamer | sikes is that a daily? |
| 13:18.44 | greycat | sikes: use a daily. known issue until rc3. |
| 13:18.44 | sikes | just tried , thats what happened ... |
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| 13:19.01 | mp3j | hello again |
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| 13:19.06 | harx | petemc: one second, I boot up my favorite system !!!! :) |
| 13:19.16 | sikes | where kind I find rc3 images (floppies?) |
| 13:19.19 | mp3j | how do i share a whole hard drive contents with windows machines? |
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| 13:19.26 | petemc | harx: dont do so on my account :) |
| 13:19.40 | jetscreamer | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ <---sikes |
| 13:19.42 | genix | Which log can I use to check out trafic??? |
| 13:19.50 | Myagy | can anyone please tell me how can i set up a default route for a VPN tunnel ?( i want to route internet through a pptp tunnel ) |
| 13:19.57 | sikes | mp3j: install a samba server and export / as share (not recommended) |
| 13:20.14 | jetscreamer | sikes, that's i386, go here for others http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 13:20.20 | petemc | genix: none by default |
| 13:20.22 | jetscreamer | see 'working' |
| 13:20.28 | mp3j | sikes, the samba server is installed |
| 13:20.45 | genix | petemc, ok, is squid help for that? |
| 13:20.46 | harx | petemc : the log file was user.log !! :-P |
| 13:21.00 | mp3j | sikes, can you be a little more specific as to what has to be edited and how? |
| 13:21.01 | petemc | harx: right, and its generally empty |
| 13:21.11 | jetscreamer | ps it says rc2 is like broke on the main page of d-i |
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| 13:22.11 | mp3j | thge hard drive i woulkd like to share is hdg1 |
| 13:22.12 | jetscreamer | ok not ht emain page |
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| 13:23.15 | sikes | mp3j: export shares are defined in /etc/smbd.conf (deb packeage has examples, just adjust them) |
| 13:23.27 | petemc | genix: i route some users through a transparent proxy to keep an eye on what they're doing |
| 13:23.34 | sikes | mp3j: beware of permissions here ! |
| 13:23.52 | mp3j | sikes, i heard or read i have to edit the fstab.conf also? |
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| 13:24.54 | harx | mp3j : you can use swat , it's more easy to configure samba share |
| 13:25.17 | mp3j | harx, apt-get install swat? |
| 13:26.09 | sikes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart zdnet .au trolls (if you don't know, don't ask) |
| 13:26.30 | harx | mp3j, yeah but you have to configure /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf after that |
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| 13:26.34 | petemc | if you dont know, read /. |
| 13:27.32 | genix | Is there many backdoors in Sarge or Debian at all? |
| 13:27.53 | wers | ? |
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| 13:28.51 | DotHack | HI people |
| 13:28.52 | DotHack | !! |
| 13:28.53 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 13:29.57 | pureone | first thing you should do when you install debian is apt-get install rcconf. check listerning ports with netstat -l -p and use rcconf to get it down to the least amont of services running as you can |
| 13:30.11 | DotHack | I hav e a question, I have a server with 2 SATA disks in raid, now i've found the source for a module for my sata chipset (Marvell) is it possible to build the module a load it into the debian installer and install debian on de sata disk?? |
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| 13:30.34 | petemc | !+custom d-i |
| 13:30.35 | dpkg | custom d-i is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 13:31.08 | greycat | pureone: there are NO listening ports on a default base install. |
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| 13:31.17 | DotHack | can grub boot sata disks? |
| 13:31.35 | harx | dothack : why not ? |
| 13:31.58 | DotHack | harx: dunno just asking before i wipe the server :) |
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| 13:32.06 | Pappa | any programs similar to audacity? |
| 13:32.17 | Nurbs | if I rebuild a package with some settings changed and want it to not get updated until a newer version is available through apt-get, how should I change the version number? |
| 13:32.44 | jm_ | Nurbs: epoch |
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| 13:33.26 | DotHack | where can i get the config that it used to build the kernels in the sarge net-install cd's |
| 13:33.39 | directhex | DotHack, kernel configs go in /boot |
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| 13:35.06 | jaybuffet | so i'm trying to add CONNMARK to my kernel using PoM, but when i do 'make oldconfig' it doesn't mention CONNMARK as a new module |
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| 13:35.16 | jaybuffet | what am i doing wrong ? |
| 13:35.41 | cahoot | Pappa: ecasound is competent but cli by default |
| 13:36.39 | DotHack | ok so if i build a kernel with to config form the netinst cd and compile the module for my sata with those kernel sources and insert it into the iso i should be able to use it roght? |
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| 13:40.58 | jetscreamer | sounds resonable |
| 13:41.20 | Pappa | cahoot: cli ? |
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| 13:42.22 | takatumi | so is it going to be ##debian? |
| 13:42.33 | cahoot | Pappa: no GUI |
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| 13:42.34 | sikes | Pappa: cli = command line interface |
| 13:42.50 | Pappa | oh right |
| 13:42.52 | DrPete | I am going to host a few webpages on a new server, the current server is stable, the new is sarge, I wondered if there was anything wrong with using apache 2? |
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| 13:43.15 | Pappa | well the debian package provides a messy installation IMO |
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| 13:43.53 | FromTO | I used cfdisk to format external drive (as root) and now everytime the drive is plugged in root owns it. how do I get users on the ownership. |
| 13:44.23 | sikes | joeyh: installer img works, debian r0x! |
| 13:44.25 | SkippedySkop | there's far too many configs / includes in configs / references to other configs in other directories, i think they tried to over centralise everything, which makes it a bit too faffy |
| 13:44.39 | sikes | but shoud the images on the mirrors not be updated ? |
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| 13:45.55 | greycat | sikes: rc3 is supposed to fix it. |
| 13:46.58 | sikes | greycat: cool, but it is not to be found by a layman ... |
| 13:47.05 | DotHack | i cant fond a config on the iso image of the srage netinst |
| 13:47.07 | simonrvn | SkippedySkop: um, how else do you expect the daemon to *know* about those "many configs / includes in configs / references to other configs in other directories" if they weren't 'Include'd ? |
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| 13:48.04 | takatumi | the automagic configurations in debian are better than any other. (as a whole) |
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| 13:48.57 | greycat | sikes: only if you have a time machine. |
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| 13:50.26 | DotHack | the netinst has kernel 2.6.8-1-386 while with aptitude i can only get 2.6.8-2-386 if i build a module on the latter can i use it with the first?? |
| 13:51.28 | greycat | no |
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| 13:51.41 | greycat | modules are built with whichever kernel headers you point it toward |
| 13:51.47 | jeanmi___ | sorry to ask my question again.... |
| 13:51.59 | jeanmi___ | is anybody here using cyrdeliver with usernames containg a @ |
| 13:52.06 | jeanmi___ | such as user@domain.tld |
| 13:52.16 | DotHack | greycat: but aptitude doesnt contain the kernel-source of 2.6.8.-1-368 anymore |
| 13:52.23 | greycat | try #cyrus |
| 13:52.35 | simonrvn | try /msg chanserv list *cyrus* |
| 13:52.36 | greycat | DotHack: then you need to get a newer kernel image and kernel headers. |
| 13:52.40 | simonrvn | DotHack: so? |
| 13:52.41 | jeanmi___ | from what I can tell, any username works fine (joe, joe.doe) as long as there are no @in the username |
| 13:52.42 | oskie | "Machine check events logged" <- how can i find out what event? |
| 13:52.42 | greycat | DotHack: and you DON'T want "kernel source". |
| 13:52.45 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 13:53.02 | jeanmi___ | I am using unixhierarchysep: yes |
| 13:54.16 | DotHack | greycat: yes i do the module i want to compile doenst work with the headers i need a source with the .config from the kernel where i eventually want to load the module in, the do make oldconfig and make modules, only then can i compile the module |
| 13:54.46 | greycat | !lose DotHack |
| 13:54.49 | dpkg | DotHack: You Lose. |
| 13:54.55 | DotHack | ?? |
| 13:55.08 | greycat | are you QUITE SURE module-assistant can't handle it? It does handle a lot of those fucked-up cases. |
| 13:55.28 | dmp_ | greycat: I was told you are a hppa man |
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| 13:55.46 | dmp_ | is it true? |
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| 13:56.27 | DotHack | greycat: its like this, i have server with a marvell sata controller in it. For that to work i need some propieraty module, then a want to boot an sarge netinst cd and load that module so i can install debian on de sata disk |
| 13:56.47 | greycat | dmp_: I've never successfully managed to install Debian on hppa, if that's what you mean. |
| 13:56.58 | greycat | dmp_: although I suspect woody might work. |
| 13:57.08 | dmp_ | greycat: hmm.. Not exactly, I suppose. I'm fighting with some glitches in the sarge 2.4 smp kernel. |
| 13:57.14 | greycat | DotHack: and m-a failed? |
| 13:57.23 | Space_NL | eyhiho .. i just found that there is 11gb data on my server, were i would figure there could be max like 5 to 7 orso .. is there a way to check how much data in in a certain folder (and all folders in that folder ?) like checking the data on /home orso |
| 13:57.34 | dmp_ | The woody cd doesnt even boot, the sarge 'full' cd boots, but moans that the ramfs is corrupt. The sarge netinst cd works fine |
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| 13:57.55 | greycat | dmp_: you got SARGE to tinstall on HPPA?? HOW? |
| 13:57.58 | dmp_ | but the smp kernel it deploys hangs the box. Disabling a proc, then installing the 2.6 smp kernel, and reenabling it seems to give me a FAIRLY reasonable box |
| 13:58.03 | dmp_ | greycat: smp hppa too ;) |
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| 13:58.12 | dmp_ | j5000 2x440mhz |
| 13:58.17 | DotHack | greycat: well the sources of the module are not prepared for debian |
| 13:58.32 | greycat | dmp_: mine always hung (in kernel space) while copying one of the .deb files from the CD to hard drive. Consistently. Every time. In the same place. |
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| 13:59.02 | dmp_ | greycat: It didnt do that here. Is that the uniproc kernel it uses by default? If it is using smp, disable a proc in the firmware |
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| 13:59.11 | Nostromo^ | is there some way to find out when was my debian's original install date? |
| 13:59.20 | oKtosiTe | I would like domainname.xx to resolve to 10.0.0.10, even though on the internet it doesn't, how can I achieve this? |
| 13:59.25 | dmp_ | I've got a couple of annoying glitches, that I've seen before on smp machines, not just hppa. Like rebooting hangs and doesnt poweroff. |
| 13:59.27 | dmp_ | oKtosiTe: /etc/hosts |
| 13:59.41 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, what syntax? |
| 13:59.58 | DotHack | oKtosiTe: ip hostname |
| 14:00.02 | dmp_ | oKtosiTe: IPADDR hostname aliases |
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| 14:00.52 | DrPete | I am going to host a few webpages on a new server, the current server is stable, the new is sarge, I wondered if there was anything wrong with using apache 2? |
| 14:00.59 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, DotHack, thanks |
| 14:01.03 | greycat | !dbugs 247216 |
| 14:01.06 | ezhdeha1 | Nostromo^ : perhaps look in your /boot for something u've never changed since install |
| 14:01.09 | DotHack | does anyone have a working marvell sata controller in here? |
| 14:01.10 | dpkg | #247216:N[installation-reports] [hppa] [beta4] [netinst] fails in Retrieving coreutils (moreinfo) Mon, 3 May 2004 21:03:03 UTC |
| 14:01.17 | ezhdeha1 | Nostromo^ : and check the date there |
| 14:01.17 | wers | easiest way to rip an audio-CD to mp3 in debian? |
| 14:01.36 | greycat | wers: /msg dpkg lame |
| 14:01.38 | cahoot | wers: abcde |
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| 14:01.44 | greycat | wers: abcde, cdparanoia, and lame (not in debian) |
| 14:01.50 | wers | Ill try those.. thanx |
| 14:01.50 | greycat | there is no mp3 encoder in Debian. |
| 14:01.51 | dmp_ | greycat: I need to read up a bit more on hppa, I'm a bit of a virgin. I'll raise a couple of bugs about the 2.4 smp kernel - like the runway bus error it generates on my j5k |
| 14:01.54 | Zambba | Is that true that there is going to be Nero for Linux? :) |
| 14:01.57 | dmp_ | bbiab |
| 14:02.13 | greycat | dmp_: I think they plan to discontinue 2.4.x for hppa, and just go with 2.6.x. |
| 14:02.24 | dmp_ | greycat: In my experience, an excellent idea |
| 14:02.28 | oKtosiTe | dmp_/DotHack, do I need to do "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
| 14:02.28 | Space_NL | hmm, anyone here who can tell me how to see data used in a directory (somewhat like df does for entire hdd´s ?) |
| 14:02.32 | Nurbs | wers: you can use k3b with those, too |
| 14:02.32 | dmp_ | oKtosiTe: no |
| 14:02.36 | greycat | Space_NL: du -sk dir |
| 14:02.47 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, works right away? |
| 14:02.48 | pureone | zambba http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html |
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| 14:02.48 | greycat | Space_NL: or du -sh if you're a mutant. |
| 14:02.55 | Space_NL | thnx greycat |
| 14:02.58 | dmp_ | oKtosiTe: yes |
| 14:03.02 | Space_NL | a mutant ? |
| 14:03.05 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, ok, I'll try |
| 14:03.17 | Space_NL | summarize .. lol |
| 14:03.31 | Space_NL | reading du help now .. thnx greycat! |
| 14:03.35 | greycat | Space_NL: compare and contrast: cd /var && du -sk * vs. cd /var && du -sh * |
| 14:03.40 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, awesome, thanks |
| 14:04.01 | Zambba | Oh no bloody Nero is taking money for that Linux version :( |
| 14:04.10 | Zambba | I have just OEM version of Nero for Win |
| 14:04.15 | Nostromo^ | ezhdeha1, found something better. in /var/log/installer.log.1.. there's "installing the base system" and a date. |
| 14:04.18 | Nostromo^ | thanks, though! |
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| 14:04.36 | jaybuffet | how long does it usually take to compile the kernel on a 500mhz machine? |
| 14:04.36 | FieldySnuts | Zambba: that doesn't bother me, what bothers me is that people will actually pay it. |
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| 14:04.48 | FieldySnuts | jaybuffet: 2.2, 2.4, or 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:04.48 | ezhdeha1 | Nostromo^ : cool :) i'll remember that one for myself hehehe |
| 14:04.53 | jaybuffet | 2.4 |
| 14:05.02 | FieldySnuts | jaybuffet: my rough guess, 20 minutes |
| 14:05.14 | jaybuffet | ok.. thanks |
| 14:05.18 | Space_NL | greycat: -sh is way better .. i can actualy understand that .. lol |
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| 14:06.04 | Space_NL | greycat: with me being in .nl .. how far would i need to travel to get u a beer ? |
| 14:06.21 | helix | he'd probably beh appy if you just used 'you' instead of 'u' |
| 14:06.28 | ikaro | hellas |
| 14:06.36 | helix | be happy, too |
| 14:06.52 | greycat | I'll never understand people who can look at "2G" and "200M" and tell that the first one is bigger, at a glance. |
| 14:07.03 | greycat | That's why I prefer -sk. Bigger number means bigger directory. Easy. |
| 14:07.16 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Why shouldn't they pay for it? |
| 14:07.20 | helix | greycat: it's like that thing where people think wide glasses hold more liquid than taller ones |
| 14:07.38 | oKtosiTe | dmp_, thanks some more, this really helped me a _LOT_ |
| 14:07.40 | Space_NL | greycat: i prefer -sk for first checking where to look for the big stuff .. but when i found out what i big and stuff i do like -sh to check how much it actualy is. |
| 14:07.49 | greycat | helix: to a certain extent, that's true. volume is proportional to height, and to radius *squared*. |
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| 14:08.41 | helix | "club internet" |
| 14:08.47 | helix | what a cool ISP |
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| 14:09.12 | harx | helix.... are tou crazy ? |
| 14:09.22 | DotHack | greycat: module-assistant doesnt have the module i need |
| 14:09.24 | helix | no |
| 14:09.26 | Space_NL | greycat: u happen to know how i can list .directorys (invisible?) too ? |
| 14:09.36 | livingtm | Im looking for help with wine, but theres noone in #wine.. is there a better channel? |
| 14:09.39 | harx | helix.... you live in france ? |
| 14:09.42 | greycat | Space_NL: man bash, enable dotglob |
| 14:09.43 | helix | no |
| 14:09.55 | greycat | france, florida, they both start with F! |
| 14:09.57 | harx | how have you ear about "club internet" ? |
| 14:10.06 | helix | harx: it was just in a host name |
| 14:10.12 | greycat | harx: by all the french trolls and kiddies we keep having to kickban that come from there? |
| 14:10.28 | greycat | livingtm: #winehq |
| 14:10.29 | harx | greycat MLOL |
| 14:10.33 | livingtm | thanks |
| 14:10.54 | Space_NL | thnx greycat, remains 1 question from me to you, how far would i need to travel to bring YOU (sorry helix :-) a beer. |
| 14:11.01 | helix | yay |
| 14:11.35 | helix | ugh, so sleepy |
| 14:12.49 | asg | !tuck helix in for the night |
| 14:12.58 | helix | I just woke up |
| 14:13.04 | asuffield | lazy bugger |
| 14:13.09 | greycat | Space_NL: I don't drink alcohol |
| 14:13.10 | asuffield | go run around the garden |
| 14:13.10 | helix | it's 9am! |
| 14:13.12 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm: what u need help with wine for ? |
| 14:13.18 | helix | hmm, there are bugs in the garden though |
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| 14:14.09 | asuffield | at 9am this morning I was already running around a building site, so screw you :P |
| 14:14.31 | helix | oh please, your sleep schedule is nearly as bad as mine usually |
| 14:14.31 | livingtm | ezdehal: trying to install an app that i need to run here at work thats win based. |
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| 14:15.06 | asuffield | I slept from 8pm to 6am last night :P |
| 14:15.11 | Space_NL | [15:13] <greycat> Space_NL: I don't drink alcohol <<== woeps, then i guess u dont like beer, well .. bring u like .. a box off chocolats then ? :-) |
| 14:15.19 | livingtm | ezdehal: i downlaoded the source and compiled it for my gentoo machine, but when i run "wine control" for instance, i get "cannot load any applets" dont know if i installed wrong |
| 14:15.21 | helix | probably because your schedule rotated |
| 14:15.27 | SlayerXP | i had a nice lie in this morning |
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| 14:15.51 | helix | yay sleeping disorders |
| 14:15.55 | SlayerXP | and then I got to work to find someone had decided to mess with the patch panel |
| 14:16.02 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm : have u tried crossover office ? I've had great success with that in the past |
| 14:16.16 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm: what's the app ? |
| 14:16.24 | asuffield | no, because I had to be on site from 9 to 4 the previous day :P |
| 14:16.32 | livingtm | azhdehal: crossover office? like wine? |
| 14:16.33 | helix | I wonder if I can use a regexp to ignore people who put spaces in front of question marks |
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| 14:16.41 | test | having problems making mysql work with php |
| 14:16.47 | asuffield | just match *!*@*.fr |
| 14:16.50 | test | despite the fact that it is supposed to be bundled |
| 14:16.50 | helix | heh |
| 14:16.52 | livingtm | azhedal: its an industrial automation appication for programming PLC's |
| 14:17.03 | helix | asuffield: but some of them aren't even from *france* |
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| 14:17.14 | helix | I have no idea where they pick up these affectations |
| 14:17.21 | livingtm | ezhdehal oops, butchered the nick |
| 14:17.25 | asuffield | blame the french |
| 14:17.32 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm : ouch, doesn't sound like the soft of thing that wine will be good at - does it have specialised hardware, or just use parallel / serial ports ? |
| 14:17.33 | test | anyone au fait with this sort of thing |
| 14:17.43 | helix | Space_NL: why are you versioning me? |
| 14:17.46 | Space_NL | helix: sorry, i was gonna say mIRC / Xchat scripting would make that easy .. but as u use a 19 inch tv as client .. i dont know .. |
| 14:17.48 | livingtm | ezhdehal: naw, just serial ports.. |
| 14:17.52 | helix | I'm pleased to know the information you wanted isn't what you got |
| 14:17.54 | sikes | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.57 | jetscreamer | yes do that |
| 14:18.08 | helix | word to my 19 inch tv |
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| 14:18.14 | livingtm | azhdehal: it was written for early win versions then poorly ported to win2k/xp |
| 14:18.20 | asuffield | who would want a 19 inch TV? TVs suck |
| 14:18.21 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm: well, it should be alright then - have u tried crossover office ? |
| 14:18.28 | jetscreamer | i hope it's hdtv, it looks crummy on my cheap tv |
| 14:18.37 | helix | asuffield: no one, that's what I put in my /version or whatever |
| 14:18.38 | asuffield | besides, anything under six feet just doesn't count |
| 14:18.42 | livingtm | ezhdehal no i havnt.. another windows "emulator"? |
| 14:18.43 | helix | heh |
| 14:18.52 | asuffield | size matters |
| 14:18.54 | Space_NL | helix: sorry, i am used to chat on #irc_help on a different netwerk .. so i almost ask up version when they join .. cos most users their dont know what they are using .. so .. |
| 14:19.07 | helix | Space_NL: stop hanging out with morons |
| 14:19.08 | mwilson | Who watches enough television that a 6ft TV would be worthwhile? :) |
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| 14:19.10 | jetscreamer | movies look good coming out of my box onto my tv though |
| 14:19.14 | helix | mwilson: movies dude |
| 14:19.17 | ezhdeha1 | livingtm: well, crossover IS wine - but it's the latest version of wine that u have 2 pay for b4 it trickles down to OS after a while |
| 14:19.33 | jetscreamer | mwilson, if they wouldn't buy em they wouldn't make em |
| 14:19.53 | asuffield | mwilson: not a TV. projectors are where it's at :P |
| 14:19.55 | livingtm | ezhdehal Im thinking this is a configuration deal more than anything |
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| 14:20.01 | Space_NL | helix: well, i guess its a bit like what you people do with me .. (in that case having me as the linux moron .. ) i prefer to see it as and endless effort to make the world a better place .. *g* |
| 14:20.16 | helix | what a revolutionary |
| 14:20.19 | ruzbeh | can anyone help me with a debian chroot install? |
| 14:20.25 | asuffield | a 6ft glass pressure vessel would be... gah, what a horrible idea, it makes me tired just thinking about it |
| 14:20.43 | jetscreamer | no, anyone logged off a while ago, he said he'd be back in a while |
| 14:20.43 | asuffield | you would need six firemen just to move it |
| 14:20.49 | helix | heh |
| 14:21.32 | jetscreamer | i've executed the chroot command once in my life so not me |
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| 14:23.06 | helix | I hate being up this early |
| 14:23.23 | asuffield | it's your own silly fault |
| 14:23.54 | notroot | hi i have got this problem: i want to cut (partition magic) from my win partition and make from this a lin partition, that i'll mount to mnt dir, than i would like to install aplication with apt-get to this mounted partition, i see the --instdir=dir for dpkg but not for apt-get ... |
| 14:24.00 | shadow98 | i know a while back when I got woody they had not full released the newest version of debian...i am just wondering if that has happened and that the name of it is? |
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| 14:24.02 | jetscreamer | pretend you're in a different timezone, change your tz |
| 14:24.13 | helix | exim4 packaging sure is exciting |
| 14:24.13 | jetscreamer | !tell shadow98 about d-i |
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| 14:24.21 | helix | er, looking at it is, anyway |
| 14:24.23 | jetscreamer | shadow98, get a daily not rc2 |
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| 14:24.32 | DrPete | I am going to run dns, apache, mail, on a server. I have 5 poublic IP avaible for it, should I split the services up on the different IP, or leave them all on one? |
| 14:24.34 | asuffield | then you get excited too easily. but we already knew that |
| 14:24.47 | shadow98 | jetscreamer: so it is still in development |
| 14:24.57 | helix | well, I'm having a packaging problem and I'm hoping this will provide clues |
| 14:25.00 | simonrvn | helix: rather nice rules file i'd say |
| 14:25.01 | jetscreamer | yeah but it's 'mostly' finished |
| 14:25.10 | helix | simonrvn: yeah, that's what I'm looking at now |
| 14:25.20 | simonrvn | helix: hi BTW :) |
| 14:25.24 | helix | hello :) |
| 14:25.31 | asuffield | geez, what sort of useless person has to look at other people's packages to figure out how to do it? :P |
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| 14:25.42 | jetscreamer | mememe! |
| 14:25.47 | greycat | DrPete: you might want more than one IP if you plan to use multiple web domains with https. |
| 14:25.51 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hi :) |
| 14:25.55 | greycat | DrPete: apart from that, you can do it all in one IP |
| 14:25.58 | ghent | hello, i'm looking for some docs to properly install courier-maildrop with mysql support on debian sarge. I am installing a new server and if i could avoid recompiling it as i did on other server ... |
| 14:26.02 | asuffield | bah, there's nothing interesting in the exim4 rules, it's just long |
| 14:26.07 | mwilson | Isn't exim4 an example of how not to package something? I keep hearing that. |
| 14:26.08 | helix | asuffield: well, lyx needs to build different frontends and cdbs apparently won't do it |
| 14:26.17 | helix | unless you do something satanic |
| 14:26.26 | asuffield | <shrug> cdbs is for crackheads |
| 14:26.28 | helix | and the previous owner used yada :( |
| 14:26.46 | jetscreamer | true crackheads don't own computers, they just used to. |
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| 14:27.15 | asuffield | yada is more like somebody who gets high on eating fertiliser |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | hey! |
| 14:27.41 | asuffield | multiple builds just isn't very complex |
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| 14:28.28 | simonrvn | yada is PITA |
| 14:28.30 | helix | you have a little more experience with these things :P |
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| 14:28.35 | DrPete | greycat: ahh, yeah, i remeber, virt servers dont work on https :) |
| 14:28.42 | DrPete | greycat: thanks |
| 14:28.48 | asuffield | actually I don't think I've ever done that, but it really isn't hard. very little ever is in packaging stuff |
| 14:28.51 | simonrvn | DrPete: they do. they need their own IP |
| 14:29.16 | asuffield | it's maintainance that counts, and engineering in general |
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| 14:29.34 | abrotman | DrPete: you can't do named based VH .. you need to do IP based VH .. or use different ports |
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| 14:29.40 | simonrvn | asuffield: well, that would go for anything, really |
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| 14:30.02 | asuffield | simonrvn: it is much harder to build a suspension bridge than to maintain it |
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| 14:30.34 | simonrvn | i wouldn't know. never built a suspension bridge (yet) |
| 14:30.42 | tuxyRochefort | how to change font size in __wine__ ? |
| 14:30.58 | asuffield | pfeh, every real geek has built a suspension bridge |
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| 14:31.16 | greycat | only bridge building geeks |
| 14:31.46 | helix | yeah, this rules file is looong |
| 14:32.02 | asuffield | it's only 400 lines. that's not *very* long, especially for a makefile |
| 14:32.17 | DrPete | :) yeah I dicoverd that a while back after trying for ages to get squirrelmail to work, hehe |
| 14:32.20 | greycat | it's quite long. |
| 14:32.20 | asuffield | longer than average, but not by very much |
| 14:32.27 | helix | I wonder what the longest rules file is in debian |
| 14:32.31 | asuffield | real makefiles are invariably bigger |
| 14:32.47 | asuffield | that's the sloccount problem. it's impossible to compare |
| 14:33.12 | asuffield | well you're wondering about a problem without an answer :P |
| 14:33.14 | asuffield | bloody females |
| 14:33.26 | caphuso | the estimated costs that sloccount reports are funny |
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| 14:33.57 | asuffield | caphuso: the COCOMO model is only applicable to a development methodology that is never used for free software. it is approximately the one described in "The Mythical Man-Month" |
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| 14:34.10 | useruser_ | tuxyRochefort: some dpi setting I expect |
| 14:34.18 | asuffield | it is astoundingly inefficient. that's one of the reasons why free software works so much better |
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| 14:34.34 | caphuso | asuffield: yeah, i already suspected something like that |
| 14:34.37 | andax | how to list directories sorted by creation time? |
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| 14:34.54 | andax | the ls manual only contains how to sort by modification time |
| 14:35.03 | greycat | andax: incorrect. |
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| 14:35.13 | greycat | and there IS NO creation time. At all. |
| 14:35.17 | greycat | It's not stored. |
| 14:35.19 | DrPete | should bind9 be run chrooted? |
| 14:35.21 | caphuso | but nevertheless, no development model will ever make my two line alarm clock script (aumix -v 100; mpg123 some.mp3) worth the 40$ sloccount reports |
| 14:35.32 | greycat | DrPete: openbsd does, by default. |
| 14:35.39 | asuffield | DrPete: no, stupid idea |
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| 14:35.56 | helix | does openbsd do anything sane? |
| 14:36.02 | asuffield | helix: generally? no |
| 14:36.03 | DrPete | heh, ok. just wondered |
| 14:36.21 | petemc | i chrooted bind9, and rdnc querylog doesnt work |
| 14:36.31 | Area-51 | could someone point me in the right direction on how to configure GDM to use Fluxbox instead of KDE? (debian sarge, kernel 2.6.8 custom) |
| 14:36.32 | andax | greycat: is this only true for ext2/3 or true for every fs under linux? |
| 14:36.40 | helix | I had to do an admin stuff on an openbsd box, it was a nightmare |
| 14:36.45 | asuffield | caphuso: those two lines have to be audited be a second team, tested by the QA group to make sure they work on a variety of hardware, and you'll need some managers and secretaries to sit around and soak up some money |
| 14:36.47 | greycat | andax: every Unix file system in the FUCKING UNIVERSE. |
| 14:36.53 | andax | greycat: thanks |
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| 14:37.13 | caphuso | asuffield: haha |
| 14:37.24 | greycat | helix: openbsd's package handling is a bit immature, but since they have a base system that's NOT based on packages, it's not vital. |
| 14:37.37 | helix | they chroot apache by default |
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| 14:37.40 | helix | that was so annoying |
| 14:37.52 | greycat | you can turn that off. |
| 14:38.02 | DrPete | oh yea, a tip, dont start shorewall without any interfaces configured, it locks out your existing ssh sessions :( |
| 14:38.13 | helix | not when you have a pointy haired boss who insists it's better :P |
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| 14:38.36 | Area-51 | lol |
| 14:38.44 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yeah security sucks. |
| 14:38.51 | asuffield | helix: don't you read dilbert? tell him you used his idea, then do it the other way. he'll never know |
| 14:39.03 | helix | heh |
| 14:39.08 | simonrvn | @asuffield++ |
| 14:39.15 | simonrvn | @dilbert++ |
| 14:39.25 | test | has anyone know a good way to create a complete mirror of a debian system? |
| 14:39.33 | scarynetworkguy | Much easier to admin a non-locked down webserver. |
| 14:39.35 | test | in order to create an identical box for testing |
| 14:39.55 | Pappa | test: two identical harddrives? |
| 14:40.03 | simonrvn | gotta go soon. |
| 14:40.12 | Pappa | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb :p |
| 14:40.18 | simonrvn | not that anyone cares.. |
| 14:40.49 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: you are aware that "locked down" means "due to a security scare, this service is not currently functional. please return to your bunker and await the bombing"? |
| 14:40.56 | bodq | apt-get remove is taking *way* too long. and it's all because most postrm scripts just issue ldconfig, two times in a row. how silly is that? |
| 14:41.00 | boyracerr | how identical do they need to be? |
| 14:41.09 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: As it often should. As it often should. |
| 14:41.17 | boyracerr | the server is remote |
| 14:41.21 | asuffield | it's a military term for something which is presently *not working* for security reasons |
| 14:41.37 | helix | it applies to openbsd then |
| 14:41.38 | mirco | 2 |
| 14:41.43 | mirco | damn |
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| 14:42.12 | kaner | bodq: i guess rm -rf / is much quicker |
| 14:42.26 | scarynetworkguy | s/locked down/hardened then. |
| 14:42.46 | bodq | kaner: but why do ldconfig in *each* *script* and *two times in a row* ?? |
| 14:42.52 | XinmingLai | Anyone here can tell me if there is a apt source for adobe reader 7.0? |
| 14:42.56 | jetscreamer | how would you dd all the files on a partition, but not the partition itself |
| 14:43.06 | jetscreamer | if that makes sense |
| 14:43.08 | simonrvn | XinmingLai: no. use xpdf or similar apps |
| 14:43.54 | caphuso | jetscreamer: "find /mount/point -type f -exec dd ... \;"? |
| 14:44.27 | XinmingLai | simonrvn: Ok,thanks. |
| 14:44.38 | Area-51 | could someone point me in the right direction on how to configure GDM to use Fluxbox instead of KDE? (debian sarge, kernel 2.6.8 custom) |
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| 14:45.18 | caphuso | Area-51: choose "debian session" in gdm and put "exec fluxbox" in your ~/.xsession |
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| 14:45.30 | DrPete | anyone know a good site for the config of bind9 |
| 14:45.36 | Area-51 | caphuso: thanks :) |
| 14:45.38 | DotHack | where can i get kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 14:45.45 | scarynetworkguy | So helix I really don't get it. What's so hard about a chrooted apache? That's how I run all of mine. |
| 14:45.57 | helix | scarynetworkguy: I didn't say it was hard, I said it was annoying |
| 14:45.58 | Pappa | you really want to put together your own kernel, DotHack |
| 14:45.59 | Pappa | trust me |
| 14:46.04 | jetscreamer | packages.debian.org DotHack but it should be available on the cd |
| 14:46.06 | caphuso | Laney: DotHack |
| 14:46.08 | scarynetworkguy | helix: s/hard/annoying |
| 14:46.08 | caphuso | err |
| 14:46.14 | greycat | DotHack: on your rc2 CD, I suppose. |
| 14:46.21 | jetscreamer | thanks caphuso |
| 14:46.27 | greycat | DotHack: why do you want it? why do you care? |
| 14:46.40 | caphuso | Laney: ignore that, messed up tab completion :-( |
| 14:46.40 | Laney | Me? |
| 14:46.41 | jetscreamer | him's building custom cd for modules |
| 14:46.43 | Laney | haha. |
| 14:46.55 | greycat | either you already HAVE it and ARE RUNNING it, in which case you have the config file in boot... OR, you don't have it, you aren't running it, so you don't *want* it. |
| 14:46.58 | jetscreamer | to install with |
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| 14:47.06 | Laney | I ain't no kernel image provider |
| 14:47.23 | Pappa | you want 2.6.11.4 |
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| 14:47.48 | jetscreamer | 'to install d-i with' |
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| 14:48.27 | jetscreamer | DotHack, what i did was get a full iso of sid and used it for a source after i got base installed |
| 14:48.32 | telricar | hola, alguien q me oriente en una duda? |
| 14:48.33 | helix | that sounds like a line from little red rid-ing hood |
| 14:48.35 | greycat | !es |
| 14:48.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:48.36 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:48.42 | jetscreamer | damn too slow |
| 14:48.49 | telricar | sorry... |
| 14:48.57 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 14:48.58 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:49.03 | jetscreamer | alguein |
| 14:49.10 | jetscreamer | is spanish or protuguese |
| 14:49.12 | DotHack | i want to build a module for my sata chip on the sarge rc2 netinst cd |
| 14:49.13 | greycat | !alguien |
| 14:49.13 | dpkg | somebody said alguien was the Spanish word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-es.... |
| 14:49.14 | helix | spanish |
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| 14:49.17 | helix | alguem is pt |
| 14:49.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:49.20 | greycat | !alguem |
| 14:49.21 | dpkg | alguem is probably the Portuguese word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-br.... |
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| 14:50.06 | helix | jetscreamer: did you hang out in #debian-br before? or was that somewhere else |
| 14:50.09 | Overand | !que |
| 14:50.37 | Overand | dpkg: que is the spanish word for "what?" Probably means you should join #debian-es |
| 14:50.37 | dpkg | Overand: okay |
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| 14:50.40 | Overand | !que |
| 14:50.40 | dpkg | methinks que is the spanish word for "what?" Probably means you should join #debian-es |
| 14:50.48 | helix | Overand: get over it |
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| 14:51.26 | asuffield | helix: I can't be bothered to ask babelfish for a mistranslation, but I'm guessing it was some idiot I forcibly ejected from here to there |
| 14:51.50 | helix | yeah, I have no idea. it means 'asuffield is a fuck' or asshole or what have you |
| 14:52.01 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:52.41 | asuffield | people who need to be shoved into the right channel are generally people who need to be banned outright, but I can't be bothered to deal with the incomprehensible fools, so I just shove them over |
| 14:53.16 | helix | nah, this was a debian developer :P |
| 14:53.26 | PerfDave | Hmm, how do I find out how many packages are in each branch / section of Debian? |
| 14:53.40 | greycat | !dstat sid |
| 14:53.44 | greycat | (is that it? I forget..>) |
| 14:53.47 | jm_ | PerfDave: tried dpkg-awk or grep-dctrl? |
| 14:53.52 | jm_ | !dstats sid |
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| 14:53.59 | asuffield | ah, politicians. they're irrelevant |
| 14:54.04 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16311 packages, 1455 maintainers, 32055 MB installed size, 10275 MB compressed size. |
| 14:54.16 | PerfDave | jm_: No, I'm presuming that would require me to have every single branch in my sources.list. |
| 14:54.17 | petemc | apt-cache stats |
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| 14:54.27 | DrPete | what timing are common for bind config files? IF you see what I mean |
| 14:54.27 | PerfDave | !dstats woody |
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| 14:54.45 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8974 packages, 986 maintainers, 13435 MB installed size, 4305 MB compressed size. |
| 14:54.48 | greycat | DrPete: whatever you want. |
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| 14:54.57 | jm_ | PerfDave: yup |
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| 14:55.15 | PerfDave | Is that just in "main", or all packages in main, non-free and contrib? |
| 14:55.21 | jaybuffet | where can i go to get the 2.4.27-2-k6 source ? |
| 14:55.32 | greycat | jaybuffet: sources don't have -k6 on them. |
| 14:55.38 | jaybuffet | hm |
| 14:55.39 | greycat | jaybuffet: -2-k6 is a CONFIGURATION. |
| 14:55.45 | jaybuffet | oh right |
| 14:55.55 | jaybuffet | so i did something wrong then |
| 14:56.41 | nmoore | what is the preferred method for removing services from runlevels? |
| 14:56.43 | soth` | good hardware monitor for debian desktop? |
| 14:56.46 | jaybuffet | tried compiling... but when i choose that kernel.. its takes 3 steps then reboots |
| 14:56.53 | greycat | nmoore: whichever one you like best. |
| 14:57.13 | DrPete | greycat: does it matter much? I am guessing lower times means more hits on your server. for a server hosting webpages/mail etc, is there a preference? |
| 14:57.39 | takatumi | what is the best way to jump to a link in elinks or lynx? |
| 14:57.43 | greycat | DrPete: if you don't plan to make changes, keep the TTL high. |
| 14:57.54 | greycat | DrPete: you can lower the TTL before you make a change, if you have enough advance motice |
| 14:57.57 | greycat | notice* |
| 14:58.20 | PerfDave | greycat? Are those dstats for main or for main, contrib and non-free? |
| 14:58.37 | greycat | dunno. I couldn't even remember the spelling. |
| 14:58.37 | wers | how do I mount an .iso image? |
| 14:58.44 | greycat | wers: mount -o loop |
| 14:58.48 | asuffield | server load is very rarely a significant point. TTL is twice the average time that your DNS server can be down before your service fucking DIES |
| 14:58.58 | nmoore | greycat: which is the best way, so that i can restore them later? |
| 14:59.00 | wers | greycat Thanx..again |
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| 14:59.21 | greycat | nmoore: rm /etc/rcwhatever.d/Swhatever |
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| 15:00.09 | PerfDave | !dstats sarge |
| 15:00.24 | DrPete | greycat: ahh, oki. Can i just use the defaults in the debian config files? |
| 15:00.31 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15280 packages, 1418 maintainers, 28065 MB installed size, 8971 MB compressed size. |
| 15:00.34 | greycat | DrPete: you can use whatever you want. I told you that. |
| 15:00.50 | DrPete | greycat: hehe ok, thanks |
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| 15:01.37 | wayne_ | I'm trying to install Debian (sarge) and not able to get a GUI only command line Question is did I stall wrong or is the GUI installed after |
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| 15:02.06 | SuperSox | wayne_: try typing 'startx' |
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| 15:02.09 | SuperSox | without the 's |
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| 15:02.18 | ArkAnGeL | Hello everyone |
| 15:02.23 | greycat | my god. |
| 15:02.26 | jerome | tartx' : command not found |
| 15:02.28 | insanekane | but if GUI is installed the *dm will run automatically |
| 15:02.33 | wayne_ | startx |
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| 15:02.35 | greycat | insanekane: only if you installed one. |
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| 15:02.57 | greycat | jerome: I hope that was intended to be a joke. |
| 15:02.57 | insanekane | greycat: thats what i said .. *if* the GUI *is* installed |
| 15:03.03 | sunboy | Hello, I want reconfigure the network settings I entered whilst installing Debian (sarge with new installer). Is there a dpkg-reconfigure for this? |
| 15:03.07 | greycat | insanekane: you can install a GUI without a dm. |
| 15:03.20 | insanekane | greycat: yes, but im talking abt defaults :) |
| 15:03.23 | spo0nman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.30 | Space_NL | [16:02] <SuperSox> wayne_: try typing 'startx' [16:02] <SuperSox> without the 's <<== took me 3 times to understand .. lol |
| 15:03.35 | insanekane | hehe spo0nman, :) |
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| 15:03.39 | goxy | anybody help me to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu |
| 15:03.40 | SuperSox | Space_NL: sorry :) |
| 15:03.42 | greycat | insanekane: the only default is no GUI at all. |
| 15:03.48 | greycat | goxy: /j #ubuntu |
| 15:03.54 | Spec | !topicsmite goxy |
| 15:03.57 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon goxy. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:03.58 | ArkAnGeL | I have a problem.. I have debian in the same hd with partiton to windows.. used to be fine but i had to restart my windows, now I can't access to debian because windows took the boot sector.. how can I fix it? |
| 15:03.58 | jerome | SuperSox, wayne_, greycat : sorry it was, I just could not resist. It's 16:00 friday afternoon, week end - 2h, I feel under pressure. |
| 15:04.07 | Space_NL | SuperSox: so this : [16:02] <jerome> tartx' : command not found <<== did not surprise me :o) |
| 15:04.07 | insanekane | greycat: err ... when i installed kde, it automatically setup kdm for me |
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| 15:04.13 | jaybuffet | if i applied a netfilter patch o matic for CONNMARK... should that option now show up in 'make menuconfig' ? |
| 15:04.20 | superSSS | Anyone knows how to setup identd correctly, I cant do it. |
| 15:04.21 | jerome | Space_NL: hey, that was a joke |
| 15:04.22 | greycat | insanekane: that was your choice. many people don't install kde, or don't install ALL of it. |
| 15:04.28 | SuperSox | jerome: hehe don't appoligize man :) |
| 15:04.30 | Spec | oooo, i just realized it's friday today |
| 15:04.47 | insanekane | greycat: yes, and that is my point ... the default if one chooses to install KDE is, to install all of it |
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| 15:05.15 | greycat | insanekane: then you should have said that to begin with. |
| 15:05.17 | takatumi | superSSS: forward ports if you are behind a firewall. |
| 15:05.23 | goxy | anybody help me to make work intel 536ep on ubuntu |
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| 15:05.30 | Spec | goxy... |
| 15:05.32 | baz | goxy: #ubuntu |
| 15:05.32 | insanekane | greycat: no i neednt have ... since we are talking about defaults |
| 15:05.36 | jerome | SuperSox: I feel obliged ;) i love these fortunes so much on bash.org, I just can't resist them. |
| 15:05.36 | superSSS | takatumi: how? |
| 15:05.37 | Spec | read the topci |
| 15:05.43 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 15:05.47 | SuperSox | jerome: lol |
| 15:06.05 | greycat | fucking ignorant twits |
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| 15:06.15 | mooded | ^^ |
| 15:06.16 | takatumi | superSSS: depends on your firewall. |
| 15:06.27 | goxy | no answer on ubuntu so please help me to make this piece off si modem works |
| 15:06.28 | ArkAnGeL | I have a problem.. I have debian in the same hd with partiton to windows.. used to be fine but i had to restart my windows, now I can't access to debian because windows took the boot sector.. how can I fix it? |
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| 15:06.34 | greycat | !they don't konw |
| 15:06.36 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 15:06.36 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:06.39 | superSSS | takatumi: so the ident wont work, on a box in LAN? if i dont forward |
| 15:06.45 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: Boot with Knoppix or installation cd. |
| 15:06.47 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: Get shell |
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| 15:06.57 | takatumi | superSSS: not that I know of. |
| 15:07.02 | ArkAnGeL | Knoppix? |
| 15:07.04 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: mount your Linux partition, chroot, install grub/lilo |
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| 15:07.22 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: http://www.knoppix.net |
| 15:07.31 | ArkAnGeL | ..?? well the thing is do I have to boot with Knoppix?? |
| 15:07.35 | goxy | very frendly ... |
| 15:07.35 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 15:07.39 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: It is the ultimate rescue utility =) |
| 15:07.40 | greycat | ArkAnGeL: just use your install CD. |
| 15:07.45 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: You can boot with installation cd. |
| 15:07.54 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: As I already said. |
| 15:08.14 | yoo | my X crashes after a few hours and i don't understand why ! |
| 15:08.17 | yoo | kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:483! |
| 15:08.20 | takatumi | goxy: ubuntu, kubuntu, knoppix, mepiss they're breeding. |
| 15:08.21 | ArkAnGeL | [greycat] thats what I though |
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| 15:08.32 | superSSS | takatumi: so if i run identd on port 114 i gotta forward 114 from gateway -> 114 LAN box |
| 15:08.36 | yoo | this message is in my log |
| 15:08.37 | SuperSox | goxy: it says debian on the door... why would we help with anything else? |
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| 15:09.00 | ArkAnGeL | [miyo] and greycat, well the thing is I don't know the command.. because as soon i boot with the cd, it showed me boot: |
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| 15:09.06 | greycat | ArkAnGeL: hit enter. |
| 15:09.12 | greycat | ArkAnGeL: when it stops spinning, hit Alt-F2. |
| 15:09.42 | goxy | because i mean ubuntu is on debian base |
| 15:09.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
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| 15:10.02 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 15:10.07 | SuperSox | goxy: and SuSE is a linux base, so by the same reason we should discuss that too? |
| 15:10.11 | SuperSox | damn :) |
| 15:10.15 | ArkAnGeL | well as soon i hit enter.. the cd take me to the instalation process |
| 15:10.21 | takatumi | superSSS: yes, 113 is what I've forwarded here. |
| 15:10.30 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: hit ALT-F2 |
| 15:10.37 | greycat | ArkAnGeL: yes. and when it stops spewing stuff all over the console, FUCKING PRESS ALT-F2 LIKE I ALREADY SAID! |
| 15:10.38 | miyo | ArkAnGeL: As greycat already said. |
| 15:10.57 | greycat | how many times do you need to read something? |
| 15:11.01 | ArkAnGeL | ok ok ok |
| 15:11.02 | ArkAnGeL | hhahaha |
| 15:11.06 | miyo | greycat: What did you say? :P |
| 15:11.16 | greycat | and why can't you just hit page up and read it over and over again yourself, without us having to REPEAT it? |
| 15:11.19 | superSSS | takatumi: but 113 is being in use for identd on gateway |
| 15:11.27 | Space_NL | [16:04] <jerome> Space_NL: hey, that was a joke *late reaction* i figured so much .. but just said the joke indeed was to easy to make. |
| 15:11.36 | ArkAnGeL | well My native languaje is not english.... so is kind of hard to me understand once |
| 15:11.37 | takatumi | superSSS: whatever works for you. |
| 15:11.47 | superSSS | takatumi: i tried but its still not working |
| 15:11.48 | miyo | greycat: Isn't IRC for chatting... it is not really for techical support :P |
| 15:11.57 | jaybuffet | is it better to 'include' these modules in the kernel, or make the modular? what are the pros/cons? |
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| 15:12.12 | superSSS | takatumi: can you check if the config is right? |
| 15:12.29 | greycat | jaybuffet: most linux drivers work very poorly if they're built into the kernel, and if you want to restart them, or change configs, etc., then you must reboot. |
| 15:12.34 | greycat | jaybuffet: so use modules whenever possible. |
| 15:12.39 | takatumi | superSSS: put it up on some site, someone will. |
| 15:12.47 | jaybuffet | greycat: ok thank you |
| 15:12.51 | Overand | greycat: i didn't know performance when built into the kernel was worse |
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| 15:12.56 | superSSS | takatumi: i will paste in #flood |
| 15:13.03 | Overand | obviously modules are more flexible, can be removed, inserted, etc etc |
| 15:13.03 | zakos | after installing debian woody from a net_inst cd i downloaded some packages that are required for having a graphical environment. But when I install X window environment it can't start correct. I've tried xf86config to solve the problem but it didn't help. Does anyone now what i can do to set X correct up. |
| 15:13.03 | greycat | Overand: not PERFORMANCE. SHEESH! |
| 15:13.08 | takatumi | superSSS: what config is this? |
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| 15:13.10 | greycat | Overand: I'm talking about BUGS. |
| 15:13.11 | Overand | ah |
| 15:13.14 | Overand | i misread |
| 15:13.19 | superSSS | takatumi: identd.conf |
| 15:13.26 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 15:13.26 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 15:13.29 | jerome | Space_NL: this was annoyingly ambiguous :) |
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| 15:14.40 | Space_NL | jerome grin |
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| 15:15.02 | jc_ | good afternoon |
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| 15:15.31 | jc_ | Anybody install debian on a pendrive ? |
| 15:15.46 | PerfDave | zakos: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 15:16.56 | zakos | how |
| 15:16.57 | baz | jc_: only the installer |
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| 15:17.30 | jc_ | I dont understand baz |
| 15:17.50 | zakos | Is it better to install sarge than woody |
| 15:17.54 | takatumi | superSSS: except for the port and kthreads it is similar to mine. |
| 15:18.09 | pandom | on console, whenever new emails arrives, it prompts me. which program is doing this? bash? |
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| 15:18.14 | baz | jc_: I have a bootable debian-installer on a pendrive. not a fully usable debian system |
| 15:18.20 | greycat | pandom: yes |
| 15:18.26 | takatumi | *kernel:threads |
| 15:18.29 | baz | zakos: if your computer is less than 3 years old, yes |
| 15:18.35 | pandom | greycat, which option control it? |
| 15:18.37 | greycat | pandom: well... probably. depends on what it *says*. |
| 15:18.38 | baz | zakos: likewise, if you want recent versions of software |
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| 15:18.48 | superSSS | takatumi: yes, but yours works :/ |
| 15:19.07 | zakos | baz: I do and my pc is about 6 months old |
| 15:19.16 | jc_ | ok baz, I understand :) |
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| 15:19.38 | zakos | then i just has to download again |
| 15:19.41 | jc_ | How to create this pendrive ? |
| 15:20.08 | SuperSox | baz: what size pen drive you using? |
| 15:20.15 | PerfDave | zakos: Sarge has more recent software, but no security updates and more bugs. Woody is old but stable and secure. Up to you. |
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| 15:20.47 | baz | SuperSox: good question. 128Mb I think, but it's nowhere near full |
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| 15:21.10 | zakos | PerfDave: If Sarge has no security updates then isn't it a bit dangerous to use it |
| 15:21.12 | SuperSox | baz: cool, thats the same size as my usb pen ;) |
| 15:21.12 | jc_ | baz the device is a scsi for system ? |
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| 15:21.24 | baz | jc_: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 15:21.42 | PerfDave | zakos: That's a decision you have to make. |
| 15:21.56 | baz | zakos: it will have timely security updates when it's released. your choice is between security and functionality until then. |
| 15:22.09 | gdb | zakos: They say that it's not officially supported from a security standpoint, and that's true, it's not, but I've never seen a security advisory that didn't have sarge patches in it (assuming sarge was affected). |
| 15:22.10 | PerfDave | zakos: I wouldn't run it on a critical system, or one directly facing the Internet, certainly. |
| 15:22.20 | petemc | i do |
| 15:22.40 | PerfDave | gdb: Uhm, I've never seen a security advisory on DSA which had the fix backported to Sarge. |
| 15:23.03 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: it will start happening more and more frequently in the next month... |
| 15:23.21 | PerfDave | gdb: The advice for running Sarge has *always* been to install the version from Sid (assuming the version from Sid has a fix) |
| 15:23.28 | zakos | PerfDave: If my computer break down it's not the big disaster but I have a permanent internet connection |
| 15:23.48 | PerfDave | zakos: Are you directly connected, or are you behind a firewall or NAT router? |
| 15:24.07 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 15:24.16 | zakos | I'm behind a firewall |
| 15:24.28 | gdb | Hrm, looking at this archived advisories, they generally address sid, you're right. |
| 15:24.30 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: there's nothing new about it. That's what happens when more and more of testing begins to freeze. |
| 15:24.32 | gdb | these* |
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| 15:24.38 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'll believe it when I see it. |
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| 15:25.01 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: *shrug* not my problem then. |
| 15:25.12 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Who said it was? |
| 15:25.42 | dondelelcaro | ah, contrarianism, how I love the... |
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| 15:25.46 | fluor- | hi there - I can't use apt anymore, since a package was left in bad condition, and does not want either to be removed or reinstalled |
| 15:25.49 | PerfDave | zakos: Then if you're not running any services directly connectable from the Internet, you should largely be safe, but there's nothing to stop client applications which connect *to* the Internet having vulnerabilities. Your best option is to subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list and install software from Unstable when a security problem is reported in a package you're using. |
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| 15:26.19 | dondelelcaro | fluor-: paste the output of apt to #flood or using the paster bot. |
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| 15:26.23 | greycat | fluor-: dpkg --purge --force-depends --force-remove-reinstreq |
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| 15:26.41 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: The point is that Sarge *currently* does not have security patches, so if you run Sarge *now* you have to take care of security matters yourself. The fact that there may be security patches for Sarge at some mythical point in the future is irrelevant. |
| 15:26.47 | zakos | PerfDave: Thanks alot i hope that installing sarge will help me through the problem of X11 |
| 15:26.50 | greycat | which I know was in the FAQ, at least at one point. |
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| 15:27.01 | PerfDave | zakos: Why not just fix X on your Woody system? |
| 15:27.07 | PerfDave | zakos: Chances are it's entirely possible. |
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| 15:27.10 | incorrect | what kernel scsi low level driver do i need for the fusion MPT (LSI scsi controler) in the dell PE boxes? |
| 15:27.12 | fluor- | greycat: thanks, I'm gonna try that |
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| 15:27.34 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: that's great. I'm just saying that there will be security support for it eventually. |
| 15:27.50 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: in fact, that's what the N bit of the N+30 days until release is all about. |
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| 15:28.08 | zakos | Oh yes I've almost forgot so. Are The debian manual |
| 15:28.18 | helix | dondelelcaro: please tell me you're up late as opposed to early.. |
| 15:28.19 | zakos | possible to get online |
| 15:28.28 | dondelelcaro | helix: early... have to proctor an exam |
| 15:28.30 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but it's entirely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, and is falsely giving the impression that Sarge is secure. |
| 15:28.38 | miyo | Anyone seen 'ata timeouts' with Seagate SATA disks and sata_via... similar to those you ge with Seagate and sata_sil? |
| 15:28.46 | helix | gross |
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| 15:29.57 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you said "I've never seen a security advisory on DSA which had the fix backported to Sarge." and I said "you'll start seeing them more and more frequently." Clearly I felt they were related enough to mention it. |
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| 15:30.23 | tiger1020x | hello all |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | ew .. rcn |
| 15:30.53 | tiger1020x | haha |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | and altoona? |
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| 15:31.14 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: That would imply that there has been one. I could be wrong but I think that is still incorrect. |
| 15:31.14 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I was correcting gdb's misinformation. |
| 15:31.34 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: oh, that's fine. I was just clarifying them. |
| 15:31.57 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: I don't know for certain, but it's quite possible for a security fix to have migrated through t-p-u |
| 15:32.07 | tiger1020x | is it posible to apt-get install both a kernel image and the source as well? |
| 15:32.10 | scarynetworkguy | t-p-u? |
| 15:32.16 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: testing-proposed-updates |
| 15:32.20 | abrotman | tiger1020x: yes |
| 15:32.30 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: Would that be stuff coming down from Sid? |
| 15:32.32 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: the way to get into testing without going through unstable. |
| 15:32.39 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: Ahhh. |
| 15:32.44 | abrotman | tiger1020x: is that really altoona? |
| 15:32.52 | tiger1020x | no norristown |
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| 15:32.59 | abrotman | tiger1020x: odd .. i'm in KoP |
| 15:33.06 | tiger1020x | no shit |
| 15:33.09 | abrotman | yes shit |
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| 15:33.15 | tiger1020x | i knew that |
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| 15:33.20 | abrotman | you knew that? |
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| 15:33.30 | tiger1020x | yeah i used to come in here before |
| 15:33.39 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:33.41 | N-MAN | hello hello! :) |
| 15:33.45 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: now, I know it happened for woody while woody was testing, but I don't know for certain that it's happened for sarge yet... [at least, I can't point to a package...] |
| 15:33.51 | DebianTestr | can someone tell me if there is one way to classify 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.0.0 with one netmask? |
| 15:34.11 | abrotman | google for netmask |
| 15:34.13 | dondelelcaro | DebianTestr: surely you mean 172.31.255.255? |
| 15:34.18 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: And since I didn't even know that such a thing existed I'm more than willing to take your word for it. :) |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | or .. isn't there a netmask calculator ? |
| 15:34.34 | DotHack | DebianTestr: search for netmask calulator |
| 15:34.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: sipcalc is *very* good. |
| 15:34.56 | tiger1020x | anyway i have kernel source 2.6.10 and image linux-2.6.10-1-k7 they ain't matching up.. what gives? |
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| 15:35.04 | scarynetworkguy | and a google for "subnet mask cheat sheat" pulls up several good sites. |
| 15:35.07 | orjan_ | Is it possible to use an imap program together with exim4 light or do I need heavy? |
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| 15:35.15 | DebianTestr | do you have to put every network from 172.16. to 172.31 in the firewall? |
| 15:35.19 | greycat | tiger1020x: copy /boot/config-2.6.10-1-k7 into the kernel source directory and run make oldconfig |
| 15:35.27 | greycat | tiger1020x: err, into ... as .config |
| 15:35.32 | tiger1020x | yeah |
| 15:35.36 | tiger1020x | hmm tried that |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | DebianTestr: http://www.csc.fi/english/funet/calc/laskin2.html |
| 15:35.53 | tiger1020x | oh wait not the old make config |
| 15:36.04 | DebianTestr | Class B: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 |
| 15:36.04 | DebianTestr | (Subnet mask: 255.255.0.0) |
| 15:36.06 | disc-q | what are MTD devices? |
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| 15:36.12 | abrotman | DebianTestr: wrong |
| 15:36.14 | tiger1020x | well whats that for a compile? |
| 15:36.22 | DebianTestr | I got taht from the web |
| 15:36.31 | greycat | DebianTestr: it's still wrong. |
| 15:36.36 | scarynetworkguy | DebianTestr: Yes that is the RFC 1918 range. But it will not do what he wants to do. |
| 15:36.40 | abrotman | DebianTestr: you mean 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 right ? |
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| 15:36.47 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: it's not class B, nor is it 255.255.0.0 |
| 15:37.19 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yeah. I missed the mask. |
| 15:37.21 | DebianTestr | I want to classify all addreses from 172.16.0.0 to 172.31.255.255 |
| 15:37.28 | DebianTestr | at once |
| 15:37.30 | abrotman | in one subnet? |
| 15:37.33 | greycat | DebianTestr: 172.16.0.0/12 |
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| 15:37.42 | abrotman | DebianTestr: if you go to that url i sent you .. it will give you the netmask |
| 15:37.48 | DebianTestr | ok |
| 15:37.53 | greycat | the netmask is /12 |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | i think he wants 255.x.x.x etc |
| 15:38.07 | DebianTestr | because I know its not right to have a netmas of 12 for a class b network? |
| 15:38.16 | abrotman | it's not class B |
| 15:38.32 | scarynetworkguy | DebianTestr: No you are wrong. |
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| 15:39.00 | DebianTestr | than the guy who documented it is wrong :( |
| 15:39.10 | scarynetworkguy | Shit happens. |
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| 15:39.36 | uut | python: AssertionError: required version '2.0' not found on system >> apt-get: python-gtk2 is already the newest version. .... anyone know what gives ? |
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| 15:39.44 | scarynetworkguy | DebianTestr: Go read RFC 1918. I missed the subnet mask line of your first post. But that will make it all clear for you. |
| 15:39.52 | tiger1020x | anyway copying the boot config into the kernel source will make the image match the source? |
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| 15:40.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | I'm having trouble with gpdf, opening documents in it doesnt show anything |
| 15:40.17 | Lathiat | hi uys -- i've seen a package before that creates fake packages to satisfy dependencies -- but i cant find its name -- anyone know it off hand? |
| 15:40.20 | scarynetworkguy | Ashtars_fanclub: xpdf |
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| 15:40.54 | abrotman | tiger1020x: yes .. /boot/config-whateveryouwant |
| 15:40.59 | Putiikki | how can i insert time and date in variable $DATE ? |
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| 15:41.08 | tiger1020x | no compile needed? |
| 15:41.08 | caphuso | Putiikki: DATE=$(date) |
| 15:41.15 | Xer | hi |
| 15:41.15 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 15:41.16 | Xer | what knoppix is ? |
| 15:41.16 | Xer | ? |
| 15:41.24 | Putiikki | !knoppix |
| 15:41.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 15:41.42 | Ashtars_fanclub | scarynetworkguy: yea i installed it and it worked well but i prefer to have working gpdf because xpdf would require a few extra libraries and packages that i dont have, also i run a xfce gtk2 environment so i'd rather not use xpdf |
| 15:41.50 | Nosf3ratu | I suppose I should know this after using debian for so long, but is there a place you can check to see status of certain packages? E.g. why postgresql v8 isn't in sid yet? |
| 15:41.52 | Xer | i neeed to know |
| 15:42.03 | Xer | konnpix is livecd scripte or its a distro!!!!?! |
| 15:42.10 | tiger1020x | distro |
| 15:42.12 | Nosf3ratu | Xer, it's a distro on a livecd. |
| 15:42.15 | Xer | :\ |
| 15:42.17 | Xer | Grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:42.23 | Nosf3ratu | Xer, google.com. |
| 15:42.42 | DebianTestr | I have a lot of 10.x.x.x packets coming into my network |
| 15:42.49 | Xer | is there anylivecd scripte? |
| 15:42.59 | scarynetworkguy | Ashtars_fanclub: So you would rather go through a bunch of pain to try and use borken tools because of a fucking GUI toolkit? |
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| 15:43.08 | Xer | i cant find any livecd scripte |
| 15:43.13 | Xer | all of them are distro :\ |
| 15:43.20 | Putiikki | you need a livecd-linux? |
| 15:43.24 | tiger1020x | ok thanks i'll try that greycat |
| 15:43.26 | Nosf3ratu | Xer, what's a "scripte"? |
| 15:43.31 | Xer | scripte |
| 15:43.37 | Nosf3ratu | As opposed to a distrubution. |
| 15:43.37 | Xer | <<-- watching TV and write ;0 |
| 15:43.55 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: did you check the BTS for gpdf ? |
| 15:44.07 | petemc | Xer: may suggest you stop watching tv, as you're not making a whole lot of sense |
| 15:44.14 | Nosf3ratu | Technically, all liveCDs are distributions. I think you're getting your terminology wrong. |
| 15:44.21 | Xer | ok |
| 15:44.24 | Nosf3ratu | And I also suggest you turn off the TV and pick up a book. Or a laptop. |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | Xer: /join #knoppix |
| 15:44.29 | Ashtars_fanclub | scarynetworkguy: no i'd rather use xpdf in that case but is gpdf really broken in sarge or is it just some missing lib that apt-failed-to-get |
| 15:44.29 | Xer | i joined |
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| 15:44.34 | ar3dam | hi there, i wanna upgrade kde 3.3 to 3.4, i can do it from apt-get upgrade? |
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| 15:44.50 | greycat | ar3dam: no. read the topic. |
| 15:44.50 | Ashtars_fanclub | abotman BTS? |
| 15:44.50 | Xer | i need to create my live cd from my distro |
| 15:44.56 | Nosf3ratu | ar3dam, if kde 3.4 is in your build. which it currently isn't. |
| 15:44.57 | |XO| | More Realeases More often :) |
| 15:45.03 | scarynetworkguy | May god have mercy on all our souls. |
| 15:45.11 | Xer | * Topic for #debian is: READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 15:45.12 | Xer | * Topic for #debian set by greycat at Thu Mar 17 18:02:30 2005 |
| 15:45.14 | Xer | read topic |
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| 15:45.22 | Nosf3ratu | Xer, that's not necessary. |
| 15:45.28 | Xer | :) |
| 15:45.31 | Xer | i know |
| 15:45.46 | Nosf3ratu | thank god for ignore |
| 15:46.03 | ar3dam | greycat Ok... |
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| 15:46.11 | Xer | lol |
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| 15:46.28 | Xer | now could anyone tell me of any livecd creater? |
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| 15:46.51 | caphuso | Xer: bootcd |
| 15:46.57 | Xer | ... |
| 15:46.59 | Xer | thanks :) |
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| 15:47.34 | Ashtars_fanclub | btw where can i find a list of packages installed, sorted by date, time |
| 15:47.41 | abrotman | ar3dam: #debian-kde |
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| 15:47.52 | Noid | what's the proggie to change ethernet parameters such as 10/100 Mbps or duplex? |
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| 15:47.59 | petemc | Noid: ethtool |
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| 15:48.13 | grivell | Ashtars_fanclub: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -L |
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| 15:48.23 | DebianTestr | anyone get adaptec raid manager working in debian? |
| 15:48.40 | grivell | Make that -l :) |
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| 15:49.16 | Noid | petemc: thanks |
| 15:49.55 | DavionKalhen | Hey, I'm trying to install the C++ socket libraries from http://www.alhem.net/Sockets/. I downloaded the source, compiled it, but I have no idea where to put the .a files and the .h (Well, I have a pretty good idea where to put the .h) any help? |
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| 15:50.56 | uut | anyone know why python would complain about not having pygtk2 installed when dpkg lists python-gtk2 as installed ? |
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| 15:50.58 | Noid | there is a network, two computers directly connected, a windows and a linux, transfering from windows to linux reaches 9 MB/s, from linux to windows, 1 MB/s... am i right guessing this is a nic misconfiguration issue? |
| 15:51.10 | greycat | DavionKalhen: /usr/local/{include,lib} |
| 15:51.55 | DavionKalhen | Woh. Why there? There's never anything in those files, well, a few, but all the main .h's, like stdlib.h is in /usr/include/, but I'll try that. |
| 15:52.00 | dbron | Hi all, I installed a perl module, it exists under /usr/share/perl5/ but perl errors saying the module cannot be found, is there a common issue there? |
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| 15:52.18 | Ashtars_fanclub | grivell: i dont get it what should i write to get a list of my recently installed packages in a time order |
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| 15:52.42 | N-MAN | hi! |
| 15:52.44 | N-MAN | :) |
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| 15:53.02 | baz | dbron: odd. did you used CPAN to install it? |
| 15:53.09 | dbron | baz: it is a deb |
| 15:53.18 | faber2 | how can i calculate a file's mode? |
| 15:53.27 | baz | dbron: curiouser and curiouser. which module? |
| 15:53.31 | dbron | baz: I am testing a mail server it is bulmail.pm |
| 15:53.36 | miyo | Noid: What are the settings? |
| 15:53.40 | dbron | bulkmail rather |
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| 15:54.24 | baz | dbron: just installing it here |
| 15:54.35 | Noid | miyo: i don't know, this is a remote call and the other party is quite computer illiterate |
| 15:54.38 | bodq | where can I get a good kernel image to use with autoints? it must fit on a floppy! |
| 15:55.00 | Noid | miyo: anyway, it's not my problem, but i was just trying to figure it out d-: |
| 15:55.06 | dbron | baz: it shows up as /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Bulkmail.pm |
| 15:55.27 | dbron | baz: but I get this error Can't locate MAIL/Bulkmail.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./mailer.pl line 5. |
| 15:55.33 | miyo | Noid: Oh. |
| 15:55.38 | baz | dbron: typo |
| 15:55.39 | bodq | *autoinstall |
| 15:55.41 | killallms1 | hey all - I am sorry to ask a non-debian question in here, but it's not really OS-specific and I am desperate for help after 4 days, and you all have helped me a lot in the past... |
| 15:55.44 | killallms1 | I have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 with on-board Adaptec Perc3Di SCSI RAID controller (mirrored 18GB drives for OS). It also has an add-in Adaptec 2810SA 8-channel SATA RAID card. After installing FC3, and installing GRUB to the MBR of the mirrored 18GB drives for OS, when I boot the system, I get "GRUB Loading Stage2Read Error". BIOS for system and both RAID controllers fully updated before installing OS. |
| 15:55.53 | baz | dbron: your line should be "use Mail::Bulkmail;", not "use MAIL::Bulkmail;" |
| 15:55.58 | baz | dbron: it's case sensitive |
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| 15:56.04 | dbron | baz: ahh |
| 15:56.11 | dbron | baz: thanks |
| 15:56.16 | baz | dbron: no worries |
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| 15:56.38 | DavionKalhen | greycat: That worked perfectly! Thanks person! :D |
| 15:56.45 | helix | hmm |
| 15:56.47 | helix | baz foo |
| 15:56.47 | petemc | killallms1: this is #debian , but you're best bet is the linux-poweredge mailing list |
| 15:56.49 | helix | woo |
| 15:56.52 | petemc | gah, your |
| 15:57.00 | baz | helix: yes? :) |
| 15:57.23 | killallms1 | petemc: thanks |
| 15:57.25 | helix | baz: I was just wondering if irssi would betray my desires |
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| 15:57.32 | helix | by adding a : after your nick |
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| 15:57.38 | dambodog | how do i setup a software Raid 1 using d-i? any docs on the steps i need to take? |
| 15:57.46 | killallms1 | petemc: where is that mailing list |
| 15:57.51 | petemc | dambodog: the install guide |
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| 15:58.18 | petemc | killallms1: dont know otomh, easily found by googling for linux poweredge |
| 15:58.20 | baz | helix: no, but irssi here helpfully coloured the line in yellow for me |
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| 15:58.26 | helix | yay irssi |
| 15:58.35 | baz | helix: why did I have to be named after a metasyntactic variable... |
| 15:58.38 | baz | ;) |
| 15:58.44 | helix | and now you're a program too |
| 15:58.46 | Overand | <3 irssi |
| 15:58.48 | helix | sorta |
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| 15:59.12 | Overand | baz: if you're not in a channel when someone does that, it'll highlight the channel number in violet |
| 15:59.22 | Overand | and alt-a (or escape a) will bring you to it |
| 15:59.29 | Overand | alt-a "active channel/msg" |
| 15:59.48 | baz | Overand: ah, I didn't know that. Or rather, I knew about the violet color but not alt-a |
| 15:59.52 | Kerr | baz: also /lastlog -hilight will show all of the hilights in cache, for that window. Saves you hammering pgup. |
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| 16:00.19 | helix | wow, and baz didn't even ask for help |
| 16:00.19 | asuffield | "<helix> baz: I was just wondering if irssi would betray my desires" |
| 16:00.22 | asuffield | that sounds really perverted |
| 16:00.34 | helix | pfft, that's nothing |
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| 16:00.40 | helix | you should see the things I say about m4 |
| 16:00.46 | baz | heh |
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| 16:00.57 | Kerr | baz: crap like /scrollback goto 18:13 will take you to a timestamp of your choice. /scrollbakc end to get back to the new. |
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| 16:01.36 | [Petros] | Hello. |
| 16:01.42 | stouset | Howdy. |
| 16:01.58 | Kerr | baz: and /lastlog -file filename saves the current window's cache to file in your current directory .. not realy too relevant but i find it useful for pms that explain stuff... |
| 16:02.01 | jegc | where can i find the snapshots of sarge |
| 16:02.12 | greycat | !d-i |
| 16:02.12 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 16:02.20 | petemc | Kerr: dont forget /disco |
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| 16:02.32 | Redwraith111 | can anyone help me disable Direct Rendering Manager |
| 16:02.36 | petemc | or /upgrade help |
| 16:02.46 | [Petros] | My named keeps filling my syslog with messages like this: Mar 18 15:25:12 hiccup named[484]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) |
| 16:03.02 | greycat | [Petros]: uh... sounds like your root.hints file is bogus. |
| 16:03.11 | greycat | or db.root |
| 16:03.16 | greycat | or whatever they call it these days |
| 16:03.22 | [Petros] | greycat: that was the first to check... it didnt change |
| 16:03.24 | asuffield | the name of the file is not important |
| 16:03.29 | asuffield | it's a hints file |
| 16:03.39 | greycat | it has to be named whatever the line in named.conf says it's named |
| 16:03.43 | [Petros] | nothing has changed in /etc/bind |
| 16:03.46 | mst | why the hell do you people even use bind, argh |
| 16:03.51 | greycat | mst: inertia |
| 16:04.01 | asuffield | mst: lack of a better option |
| 16:04.14 | petemc | djbdns! |
| 16:04.19 | mst | use tinydns... use powerdns.. hell use netcat on port 53 and a shell script if you have to, but why use bind?! |
| 16:04.22 | greycat | !start a dnswar |
| 16:04.25 | [Petros] | so, my named.conf and the root.db has not changed... |
| 16:04.27 | greycat | !start a dns war |
| 16:04.28 | dpkg | tinydns wants to take over your namespace! |
| 16:04.34 | mst | dpkg++ |
| 16:04.44 | greycat | [Petros]: are they *correct*? |
| 16:04.46 | Redwraith111 | does anyone know anything about ATI driver installation? |
| 16:04.49 | mst | I run powerdns in production. Kicks totall ass. |
| 16:04.52 | stouset | mst: we use bind because tinydns is pointless and crappy =P |
| 16:04.52 | Redwraith111 | I have to disable Direct Rendering Manager |
| 16:04.56 | Redwraith111 | how do i go about doing that |
| 16:04.58 | asuffield | ah yes, djbdns. because it's great fun to break not only your own dns lookup, but also that of everybody else in your vicinity |
| 16:05.03 | greycat | Redwraith111: no. nobody knows anything about it, not even dpkg, not even if you ask him about 'ati drivers'. |
| 16:05.06 | mst | stouset, for small and very huge setups its excellent |
| 16:05.09 | JoshH | Redwraith111: just make sure the module isnt loaded and its not built into your kernel. |
| 16:05.12 | stouset | mst: erm, sorry, I meant djbdns :-) |
| 16:05.15 | Redwraith111 | it is built in |
| 16:05.18 | Redwraith111 | how do i get RID of it |
| 16:05.21 | [Petros] | greycat: I think so... has the same content as the on another server |
| 16:05.22 | JoshH | then you have to recompile the kernel without it |
| 16:05.25 | greycat | stouset: tinydns is part of djbdns |
| 16:05.29 | Redwraith111 | anyone care to help me |
| 16:05.36 | JoshH | did you build the kernel yourself? |
| 16:05.42 | stouset | greycat: Never mind then, I was right the first time. |
| 16:05.42 | greycat | Redwraith111: stop using the fglrx driver. go back to the ati one. |
| 16:05.44 | greycat | simpmle. |
| 16:05.48 | greycat | simpler than typing, anyway. |
| 16:05.49 | Redwraith111 | i cant |
| 16:05.54 | greycat | WHY THE FUCK NOT? |
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| 16:06.01 | Redwraith111 | i have no idea how to install an rpm on debian |
| 16:06.03 | JoshH | greycat: maybe he needs decent 3d? |
| 16:06.16 | asuffield | JoshH: that's like saying "I need heroin" |
| 16:06.17 | stouset | Redwraith111: Why would you want to? Debian doesn't use rpms... |
| 16:06.19 | JoshH | Redwraith111: build the kernel without drm, then /msg dpkg ati drivers to see how to install it |
| 16:06.20 | greycat | Redwraith111: you're one more troll comment away from kickban. |
| 16:06.21 | Redwraith111 | no i didnt build it my self |
| 16:06.24 | [Petros] | Redwraith111: maybe try alien |
| 16:06.29 | JoshH | asuffield: maybe for you, i like 3d personally. |
| 16:06.34 | greycat | JoshH: he just said he wants to *disable* it. |
| 16:06.42 | asuffield | JoshH: and heroin junkies like heroin |
| 16:07.08 | Redwraith111 | how do i build the kernel again.. is there a dpkg for that? |
| 16:07.16 | JoshH | lol |
| 16:07.19 | JoshH | ok, someone kb him |
| 16:07.24 | jerome | asuffield: well, caffeine junkies need caffeine :P |
| 16:07.27 | helix | jerome: who? |
| 16:07.27 | Redwraith111 | why because i dont know how to do it? |
| 16:07.28 | greycat | Redwraith111: what in the HELL are you running? |
| 16:07.28 | helix | er |
| 16:07.30 | helix | JoshH: who? |
| 16:07.33 | Redwraith111 | debian sarge |
| 16:07.33 | stouset | Or not. He doesn't need to build a kernel anyways. |
| 16:07.37 | JoshH | Redwraith111 |
| 16:07.40 | greycat | Redwraith111: uname -r |
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| 16:07.53 | Redwraith111 | 2.6.10 |
| 16:08.01 | greycat | so it's a custom kernel? |
| 16:08.06 | stouset | Redwraith: Okay, from the start. Read the #debian wiki. It tells you how to get the fglrx driver up and running |
| 16:08.07 | Redwraith111 | well.. i guess |
| 16:08.13 | Redwraith111 | i AM doing that |
| 16:08.13 | stouset | !tell redwraith about faq |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | Redwraith111: then have whoever built your kernel fix it. |
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| 16:08.23 | Redwraith111 | but it doesnt say how to disable Direct Rendering Manager |
| 16:08.29 | Redwraith111 | i just downloaded the kernel |
| 16:08.30 | helix | Redwraith111: you don't know if you're running a custom kernel? |
| 16:08.40 | flawd | so what do I download if I want the latest debian? |
| 16:08.42 | Redwraith111 | i downloaded the kernel from the unstable servers |
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| 16:08.45 | greycat | flawd: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 16:08.53 | tiger1020x | darnnit greycat |
| 16:08.59 | tiger1020x | didn't work |
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| 16:09.08 | stouset | Redwraith111: Good |
| 16:09.11 | PerfDave | flawd: Define "latest" ;) |
| 16:09.15 | Redwraith111 | good? |
| 16:09.18 | greycat | Redwraith111: you are either INCREDIBLY stupid, or you're lying. Either way, I'm sick of you already. |
| 16:09.19 | stouset | Redwraith111: Now just follow the instructions in that faq |
| 16:09.23 | Redwraith111 | oh |
| 16:09.26 | helix | aw |
| 16:09.37 | Redwraith111 | listen. some guy helped me install the 2.6.10 kernel last night |
| 16:09.46 | Redwraith111 | because my cmoputer is was going slow |
| 16:09.52 | Redwraith111 | and he got me to update it to sid standards |
| 16:09.57 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 16:09.57 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:09.59 | greycat | !lose Redwraith111 |
| 16:10.00 | dpkg | Redwraith111: You Lose. |
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| 16:10.02 | asuffield | helix: do not pet that |
| 16:10.03 | flawd | PerfDave, as in not woody which is ancient but that isnt totally broken heh |
| 16:10.07 | Redwraith111 | I am slow ok, im new and it doesnt help with ppl yelling at me... wow. |
| 16:10.09 | *** mode/#debian [+q Redwraith111!*@*] by greycat |
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| 16:10.13 | helix | asuffield: don't pet what? |
| 16:10.17 | flawd | ty |
| 16:10.30 | stouset | greycat: Was that really necessary? =\ The guy just wanted help. |
| 16:10.39 | jerome | I'm sure the suicide rate upon microsoft support techies is just terrifying when I see the kind of clueless users questions we're facing. |
| 16:10.42 | helix | that seemed a little overboard |
| 16:10.47 | shadow98 | quick question do most isp's limit speeds on certain ports....it seems like when i upload and download anything from my ftp server it is slow as hell.....i know they block port 80....cause i had to setup my web server on port 8080 |
| 16:10.49 | greycat | stouset: by lying to us? There is no way in fucking HELL he could have a sid kernel and get "2.6.10" as the output of uname -r. |
| 16:11.04 | greycat | stouset: it's GOT to be a custom kernel, or he didn't really run uname -r. |
| 16:11.04 | [Petros] | greycat: My db.root is the same as the one contained in the bind*.deb |
| 16:11.09 | stouset | greycat: Um, I am |
| 16:11.14 | helix | greycat: or he didn't copy and paste |
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| 16:11.18 | shadow98 | it took me 15 minutes to download a 13 mb file |
| 16:11.21 | greycat | 11:11 CTCP VERSION reply from Redwraith111: xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-1-686 [i686/1.40GHz] |
| 16:11.25 | tiger1020x | speaking of 2.6.10 i'm still hurtin here |
| 16:11.39 | greycat | OK, he's apparently running 2.6.10-1-686. |
| 16:11.50 | helix | greycat: he could've easily transcribed the kernel version and thought the -1-686 was unimportant for our purposes |
| 16:11.54 | jerome | shadow98: what is your theorical upload bw ? |
| 16:11.57 | greycat | so the next question is WHY is he asking how to DISABLE drm? |
| 16:11.58 | tiger1020x | is it that debian apt doesn't oofer binaries and source with the same nember? |
| 16:12.31 | stouset | stephen@midas:~$ dpkg -s kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 16:12.31 | stouset | Version: 2.6.10-6 |
| 16:12.39 | DebianTestr | what kind of language is regex = in the exim.conf.. is that perl match command stuff? |
| 16:12.40 | tiger1020x | darn i'm using 2.6 FOR drm with my sis card |
| 16:12.51 | shadow98 | jerome: i tested it and it was 1.5mbits on toast.net |
| 16:12.56 | petemc | DebianTestr: yes |
| 16:13.00 | asuffield | s/bits/bites/ |
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| 16:13.06 | helix | that's what my cats do |
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| 16:13.10 | shadow98 | my downloads tested at 2.6mbits |
| 16:13.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
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| 16:13.27 | PerfDave | flawd: Woody is the latest stable release, Sarge has more recent software but more bugs and no security updates. Up to you. |
| 16:13.27 | stouset | greycat: 2.6.10-1-686 is in sid =P it's just not pointed to by 2.6-686 |
| 16:13.38 | [Petros] | no more tips against the bind error messages? |
| 16:13.46 | greycat | Redwraith111: now start over. "Hi, I'm running sid with 2.6.10-1-686 and I want to build the fglrx driver, and I followed the FAQ, and I get this error: __________". |
| 16:13.47 | Redwraith111 | the fglrx wants it disabled.. modprobe fglrx |
| 16:13.47 | Redwraith111 | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 16:13.48 | stouset | [Petros]: Google? |
| 16:13.53 | shadow98 | when is sarge going to have a stable release? |
| 16:13.56 | Redwraith111 | That is the error |
| 16:14.03 | jerome | shadow98: then, did you try to bench from within the LAN your server is on (if any) |
| 16:14.06 | stouset | Redwraith111: Are you doing this as root? |
| 16:14.10 | Redwraith111 | SU |
| 16:14.16 | Redwraith111 | in a different user account |
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| 16:14.25 | stouset | Redwraith111: type "id" and tell us the output |
| 16:14.38 | Redwraith111 | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),100(users) |
| 16:14.43 | helix | asuffield: why not 'nybble'? |
| 16:14.49 | flawd | PerfDave, do you know if latest cedega would run on woody? |
| 16:14.49 | tiger1020x | ehhh |
| 16:14.51 | shadow98 | jerome: inside it is quick as hell uploaded the whole whole windows xp cd pretty quickly |
| 16:14.56 | stouset | Redwraith111: now "dmesg | tail -n1" |
| 16:15.02 | stouset | Redwraith111: Sorry no, not that |
| 16:15.03 | sdogi | what does : sign do in bash ? |
| 16:15.12 | greycat | sdogi: you mean the : command? help : |
| 16:15.14 | stouset | Redwraith111: now "modprobe fglrx; dmesg | tail -n1" |
| 16:15.45 | shadow98 | jerome: i am getting ready to try my hand at traffic shapping so maybe that will help me determine what is going on.. |
| 16:15.52 | sdogi | greycat: ahh :) |
| 16:15.53 | sdogi | thanks |
| 16:16.05 | Redwraith111 | [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! |
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| 16:16.23 | greycat | sounds like rmmod time to me. |
| 16:16.26 | jerome | shadow98: did you try to download from another server (I mean http for instance) to check the speed ? |
| 16:16.27 | sdogi | greycat: cool answer would have been "it does nothing", i would have been confused :D |
| 16:16.28 | stouset | Redwraith111: echo "fglrx" >> /etc/modules |
| 16:16.39 | shadow98 | jerome: i also do other things like remote desktop which is pretty quick |
| 16:16.39 | JoshH | Redwraith111: like i said, recompile the kernel without it. |
| 16:16.40 | stouset | Redwraith111: Then reboot |
| 16:16.41 | tiger1020x | /usr/include/bits/socket.h:305:24: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory |
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| 16:16.46 | stouset | JoshH: Overkill. |
| 16:16.48 | JoshH | greycat: he said it was built in, heh |
| 16:16.51 | shadow98 | jerome: i have not tried that i could do that... |
| 16:16.51 | tiger1020x | from make oldconfig greycat |
| 16:17.01 | jerome | shadow98: then you might have a problem with your router |
| 16:17.03 | Redwraith111 | ok so were the >> things ihad to type |
| 16:17.05 | greycat | tiger1020x: what in the bloody hell are you *doing* poking around in asm/*.h headers? |
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| 16:17.09 | Redwraith111 | or do i have to enter someting else in there |
| 16:17.12 | tiger1020x | i'm not |
| 16:17.14 | abrotman | #ati |
| 16:17.16 | asuffield | helix: bite. |
| 16:17.21 | asuffield | http://www.nnanime.com/azumanga/pics/azbk1-017a.jpg |
| 16:17.23 | shadow98 | jerome: im using astaro linux firewall... |
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| 16:17.38 | helix | hahahaha |
| 16:17.39 | ruzbeh | so i'm installing debian through chroot, and im at the stage where im supposed to configure the keyboard but i cant cuz 'console-data' is not installed, i need to do 'dpkg-configure console-data'. I tried apt-get console-data, didnt work. anyone help? |
| 16:17.40 | PerfDave | flawd: No idea. |
| 16:17.47 | stouset | Redwraith: type *exactly* echo "fglrx" >> /etc/modules |
| 16:17.49 | tiger1020x | did apt-get upgrade recently |
| 16:17.55 | jerome | shadow98: check the shaping options and maybe the port redirections for 20 and 21 |
| 16:18.02 | jerome | shadow98: especially 20 |
| 16:18.02 | spiff_ | argh |
| 16:18.03 | stouset | Redwraith111: Alternatively, copy/paste it |
| 16:18.03 | mir | someone ban PUHmX he is a spamer |
| 16:18.08 | Redwraith111 | k.. i did, there is not sposed to be a response from console? |
| 16:18.12 | greycat | mir: already gone |
| 16:18.13 | helix | asuffield: so if you were a furry, you'd be a cat? |
| 16:18.16 | shadow98 | jerome: is 20 the reply port? |
| 16:18.24 | Redwraith111 | alright reboot then come back? |
| 16:18.26 | jerome | shadow98: ftp-date IIRC |
| 16:18.29 | mir | thanks |
| 16:18.31 | jerome | shadow98: ftp-data IIRC |
| 16:18.35 | greycat | someone please tell me why the fuck Redwraith111 is running sid. |
| 16:18.45 | abrotman | and not in #ati ? |
| 16:18.45 | helix | greycat: because it has the LATEST AND GREATEST |
| 16:18.50 | Redwraith111 | :because last night my kernel was frigging up |
| 16:18.52 | Redwraith111 | with 2.4 |
| 16:18.53 | yoo | somebody know that please : kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:483! |
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| 16:18.55 | jerome | shadow98: go for "grep ftp /etc/services" |
| 16:19.02 | greycat | Redwraith111: sarge has 2.6.x kernels. |
| 16:19.04 | Redwraith111 | and then some of you guys got me to go to 2.6.8 |
| 16:19.04 | stouset | Redwraith111: 2.6 is in sarge |
| 16:19.12 | helix | gowb |
| 16:19.16 | seadog | I need help, does anyone know how to setup a bluetooth mouse/keyboard |
| 16:19.17 | Redwraith111 | then the other guy got me to go to 2.6.10 |
| 16:19.25 | asuffield | helix: that's an absurd question. I'm *not* a furry; if I were not me, I could be anything :P |
| 16:19.28 | greycat | Redwraith111: you are NOT ready to be running unstable. |
| 16:19.35 | Redwraith111 | i KNOW |
| 16:19.38 | helix | yeah, but would you choose to be a cat if you could? |
| 16:19.45 | Redwraith111 | but 2.4 wasnt workng at all |
| 16:19.51 | Redwraith111 | and i was following instructions |
| 16:19.52 | asuffield | helix: that would depend on what the other choices were |
| 16:19.56 | greycat | lying again. you said it was slow. |
| 16:20.01 | Redwraith111 | is it ok if i change my sources list back to testing? |
| 16:20.05 | Phated | asuffield: On #debian forever? :) |
| 16:20.05 | helix | asuffield: let's say if you could be: a cat, a fox, a zebra, or a lion |
| 16:20.07 | Redwraith111 | yeah by slow means not working |
| 16:20.09 | Redwraith111 | geez |
| 16:20.14 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 16:20.23 | Redwraith111 | everything laggy so yeah can i reboot now |
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| 16:20.38 | tiger1020x | should i apt-get kernel-image-2.6.10-1 for i386 instead??//// |
| 16:20.43 | asuffield | helix: have you been at the Rorschach stuff? |
| 16:20.46 | caphuso | !test |
| 16:20.48 | mixonic_ | anyone know of an up to date gnome apt server for woody? |
| 16:20.50 | dpkg | No, caphuso, you're not online any more. |
| 16:20.51 | shadow98 | jerome: ftp-data 20/tcp |
| 16:20.58 | helix | yeah, I do that with menstrual blood |
| 16:21.05 | greycat | mixonic_: "up to date" and "woody" are mutually exclusive. |
| 16:21.10 | helix | anyway, you said it would depend on your choices, so I gave you some |
| 16:21.15 | shadow98 | jerome: tp 21/tcp |
| 16:21.23 | mike | Hi. I'm told that the command line 'cpan' utility for perl is contained within the perl-base package, but it's not installed on this fresh stable install. Am I incorrect, or is this more of a #perl question (I apologize if it is) |
| 16:21.24 | shadow98 | jerome:opps ftp 21/tcp |
| 16:21.28 | baz | helix: eww |
| 16:21.29 | asuffield | Phated: that's just your fantasy :P |
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| 16:21.42 | jerome | shadow98: oh yeah, you know, I can do it too, it was for your own information. |
| 16:21.54 | Phated | asuffield: Dude. I'm kinky, not a masochist. :P |
| 16:22.01 | jerome | shadow98: anyway, I'm happy you succeeded in grep /etc/services:) |
| 16:22.06 | helix | teenagers can't be kinky |
| 16:22.11 | mixonic_ | greycat, yeah. but the server is slowly becoming a desktop over here...and a reinstall would be no fun at all :) |
| 16:22.11 | directhex | sure they can |
| 16:22.15 | directhex | i was kinky as a teen |
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| 16:22.17 | asuffield | teenagers are generally just horny |
| 16:22.24 | Phated | I'm not a teen! |
| 16:22.24 | greycat | mixonic_: so upgrade it to sarge. Sheesh. |
| 16:22.24 | helix | teenagers think that whipped cream is kinky |
| 16:22.26 | shadow98 | jerome: ok |
| 16:22.26 | helix | they're retards |
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| 16:22.39 | greycat | Phated: oh? I thought you were under 20. |
| 16:22.40 | asuffield | Phated: teen, jailbait, whatever |
| 16:22.43 | mixonic_ | greycat, would it break much? |
| 16:22.48 | directhex | whipped cream is just fattening |
| 16:22.50 | Phated | greycat: 17! |
| 16:22.55 | greycat | Phated: sevenTEEN. |
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| 16:23.00 | treestone | mike: apt-get install perl should suffice, otherwise you could try 'perl -MCPAN -e shell' |
| 16:23.00 | Phated | Which is just past teen. |
| 16:23.03 | baz | whipped cream can be kinky |
| 16:23.04 | helix | no it isn't |
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| 16:23.06 | baz | if it's in a chicken |
| 16:23.09 | |XO| | its sad 960 developers and not a single release for almost 3 years... |
| 16:23.09 | Redwraith111 | alright now what? |
| 16:23.10 | helix | it has 'teen' in the word |
| 16:23.21 | asuffield | Phated: you're either bad at math or english or both :P |
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| 16:23.29 | Phated | No, when you have the whole chicken, you've gone past kinky and straight into perverted. |
| 16:23.31 | greycat | or in denial |
| 16:23.34 | baz | |XO|: give it a rest |
| 16:23.38 | Phated | Denial! |
| 16:23.59 | helix | all the teenagers I knew who considered themselves kinky ended up with kids before they turned 20 |
| 16:23.59 | greycat | Phated: you can be a teen physically, but be a curmudgeon at heart. |
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| 16:24.15 | Phated | What the heck is a curmudgeon? |
| 16:24.15 | asuffield | yeah, that would be 'horny', not 'kinky' |
| 16:24.21 | greycat | !dict curmudgeon |
| 16:24.23 | FieldySnuts | or slutty |
| 16:24.27 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 16:24.31 | asuffield | how can you not know a word like 'curmudgeon'? |
| 16:24.32 | Redwraith111 | alright if i modprobe something and no response does that m ean it worked? |
| 16:24.32 | greycat | BAH. |
| 16:24.34 | greycat | @dict curmudgeon |
| 16:24.41 | Phated | Well, I don't. |
| 16:24.43 | baz | Redwraith111: yes |
| 16:24.43 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'curmudgeon' (1 of 2): a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas. |
| 16:24.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: dict curmudgeon? |
| 16:24.46 | asg | Redwraith111: yes (check /var/log/syslog to be sure) |
| 16:24.47 | FieldySnuts | n/m |
| 16:24.48 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'curmudgeon?' (1 of 2): a crusty irascible cantankerous old person full of stubborn ideas. |
| 16:24.51 | Phated | Ah. |
| 16:25.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moron ravenbird |
| 16:25.05 | mixonic_ | so when sarge goes stable, (or any testing), is an upgrade path considered? is checking it for big breaks part of the stabalization process? |
| 16:25.06 | ravenbird | ravenbird: You are moron #94 |
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| 16:25.21 | asuffield | helix: I'm filing it under 'porn' |
| 16:25.28 | Phated | It's somewhere between a huggle and a fluffle. |
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| 16:25.28 | fusQuanto | hey guys my HD crashed (i think) so yesterday some of you guys said to get the knoppix live cd deal and try booting up with that to see if i can mount anything to try to save anything... i bootted up with the disc but im not sure what to do. its at the boot: menu |
| 16:25.33 | asg | mixonic_: yes and yes |
| 16:25.37 | helix | is fluffling what fluffers do? |
| 16:25.40 | asuffield | those two are incapable of keeping their hormones under control |
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| 16:25.47 | asuffield | that's "fluffing" |
| 16:25.53 | baz | fusQuanto: press enter |
| 16:25.56 | Phated | asuffield: You know you like it. :) |
| 16:26.02 | asuffield | Phated: so, wanna fuck? |
| 16:26.09 | Phated | asuffield: What, you? |
| 16:26.16 | mixonic_ | asg, really? that is HOT. maybe I will dist-upgrade this to sarge then :-D |
| 16:26.19 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 16:26.29 | jethro | anyone got nice blue suede shoes and wanna fuck with me? |
| 16:26.38 | BadMan | I thought this was aDebina Gnu/Linux channel not a fukin cypberspace orgy fest meet |
| 16:26.42 | asuffield | Phated: either way works |
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| 16:26.47 | greycat | jethro: you're too old to rock and roll |
| 16:26.50 | stew | wow |
| 16:26.51 | helix | Phated: well, it's a compliment -- he was just saying earlier that a good hard shag is how one shows respect |
| 16:26.52 | Phated | asuffield: Not really. |
| 16:26.52 | asg | mixonic_: there will be some issues but generally, it should be fine. Last one I did was flawless. |
| 16:26.54 | directhex | BadMan, don't make me apt-get dist-upgrade you |
| 16:26.56 | jethro | greycat: :'( |
| 16:27.01 | mike | excellent. thanks. |
| 16:27.02 | directhex | or aptitude purge, if we're being kinky |
| 16:27.06 | jethro | I just made 26 |
| 16:27.06 | BadMan | directhex: was looking for you last night hehe |
| 16:27.10 | Phated | helix: What, slutty is a compliment now? Brill! |
| 16:27.10 | jerome | shadow98: you should read a bit about ftp passive/active modes. |
| 16:27.26 | Phated | Sorreee. |
| 16:27.29 | baz | wow |
| 16:27.32 | Redwraith111 | what am i looking for in the log |
| 16:27.34 | asuffield | that's a kind of oven cleaner |
| 16:27.35 | baz | haven't heard 'brill' since 1987 |
| 16:27.44 | greycat | and she claims not to be a teen. hah. |
| 16:27.47 | asg | Redwraith111: that whatever you modprobed made some noise that it was loaded. Some do. |
| 16:27.48 | asuffield | Phated: have you been watching old TV shows again? |
| 16:27.55 | baz | perhaps it's 'retro' now, and therefore cool again |
| 16:28.04 | Redwraith111 | doesnt look like it |
| 16:28.05 | Phated | asuffield: When do I ever watch TV? I'm on here all the time. :) |
| 16:28.06 | asg | asuffield: and hair cream |
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| 16:28.10 | baz | s/again// |
| 16:28.17 | BadMan | directhex: for Quake3 you had me disable my arts server, sound worked, but I dont have sound in kde and when I run quakeforge it sig11's now due to sound error.. Idea of what sound system I should be using? |
| 16:28.20 | ruzbeh | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: console-data is not installed <----- anyone help please? |
| 16:28.24 | asg | helix: what did you do to it this time? |
| 16:28.43 | asuffield | Phated: you are not, you spend at least half the day off humping other things :P |
| 16:28.44 | Redwraith111 | ok ill see if i can follow the next instructions |
| 16:28.44 | asg | ruzbeh: install it |
| 16:28.51 | helix | nothing, it just won't do a freaking o-acute |
| 16:28.58 | helix | in the terminal anyway |
| 16:29.03 | asg | ó |
| 16:29.04 | Phated | asuffield: I do not hump "other things". There is only one other thing I hump. |
| 16:29.07 | MikkelK | How do i search inside files? I know i have a file containing the text "group:user7", but i don't know what file it is |
| 16:29.14 | directhex | BadMan, you can run arts, then run quake3 with 'artsdsp quake3', but sound will be about 1 second lagged |
| 16:29.17 | baz | MikkelK: grep! |
| 16:29.18 | helix | that means you hump two things? |
| 16:29.18 | asuffield | helix: just use dead acute |
| 16:29.21 | ruzbeh | asg, how |
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| 16:29.22 | abrotman | Phated: hello kitty? |
| 16:29.27 | asg | ruzbeh: apt-get install console-data |
| 16:29.30 | Phated | helix: Yes, IRC and the other thing. |
| 16:29.33 | helix | asuffield: well, all the other acutes work |
| 16:29.45 | asuffield | helix: compose maps are fucked up |
| 16:29.46 | abrotman | i like my face |
| 16:29.48 | asg | in da face? |
| 16:29.50 | helix | éáà and so forth |
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| 16:29.55 | ruzbeh | asg, DOH... i thought it was apt-get console-data, thanks |
| 16:29.57 | helix | asuffield: but o-acute works in other apps |
| 16:30.02 | fusQuanto | hey guys my HD crashed (i think) so yesterday some of you guys said to get the knoppix live cd deal and try booting up with that to see if i can mount anything to try to save anything... i bootted up with the disc but im not sure what to do. its at the boot: menu |
| 16:30.04 | FieldySnuts | #debian-dirty |
| 16:30.05 | Phated | Copy-paste? :) |
| 16:30.06 | asuffield | Å• ? |
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| 16:30.19 | BadMan | hmm lagged sound... dont know if that would be better or jsut no sound hehe |
| 16:30.22 | helix | Å• |
| 16:30.23 | helix | yeah |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | !yay |
| 16:30.24 | dpkg | yay! |
| 16:30.29 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.33 | saebl | hi |
| 16:30.35 | asuffield | I admit it would be entertaining to watch Phated attempting to hump hello kitty |
| 16:30.35 | baz | fusQuanto: like I said, press enter |
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| 16:30.46 | yoo | my X crashes |
| 16:30.46 | FieldySnuts | yoo: stick that error in google, see what it comes up with |
| 16:30.47 | helix | this conversation is so disturbing |
| 16:30.48 | Phated | I refuse to hump Hello Kitty. |
| 16:30.51 | abrotman | asuffield: you don't know hello kitty's dirty secret do you? |
| 16:30.57 | Pappa | anyone use squid? |
| 16:30.58 | yoo | ok |
| 16:31.00 | asuffield | ýúÃóĺśáéźćń are the ones I get with dead-acute and the alphas |
| 16:31.02 | FieldySnuts | Pappa: yes |
| 16:31.06 | asg | Pappa: most likely |
| 16:31.12 | helix | asuffield: what is dead acute? |
| 16:31.13 | fusQuanto | baz oh sorry i didnt see you say that, stupid mirc doesnt light up like xchat used to :( |
| 16:31.27 | abrotman | don't use mirc |
| 16:31.38 | baz | fusQuanto: xchat runs on windows too these days iirc |
| 16:31.42 | asuffield | helix: dead keys are keys which generate no character, but instead modify the next keystroke |
| 16:31.44 | fusQuanto | whoa sweet |
| 16:31.46 | MikkelK | baz: But how do i list the contents of alle the files then? I guess i should use "less" or something like that, but how? |
| 16:31.49 | asuffield | dead-acute is the one which adds an acute |
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| 16:31.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah but the maintainer expects you to pay for it |
| 16:32.02 | EsK | im a noob, care to help me |
| 16:32.05 | helix | asuffield: so these can be any key you want? |
| 16:32.09 | asg | !tell EsK about ask |
| 16:32.11 | baz | MikkelK: if you know what directory the file is in, do "grep (text) *" in that directory |
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| 16:32.21 | asg | !tell EsK about smart questions |
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| 16:32.27 | abrotman | asg: i'm a pain in the ass .. care to help me? |
| 16:32.28 | Pappa | or, if i wanted to mirror a page, say 46.72.72.2:6881 (http), squid could do it right? (tricking clients to believe 46.72.72.2:6881 is 192.168.0.1) |
| 16:32.38 | baz | MikkelK: if you don't, use find or something like "find / 2>/dev/null |xargs grep text" |
| 16:32.43 | baz | sure there's a nicer way to do that though |
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| 16:33.02 | asuffield | helix: the dead keys? some keyboards have them as real keys. they're usually also on level 3 someplace. I get dead-acute on level3-; using the pc102/gb keymap |
| 16:33.28 | baz | eg. if the file is in /etc/thingybob/ and you're searching for the string "hellokitty", then "cd /etc/thingybob/ ; grep hellokitty *" |
| 16:33.28 | Pappa | well i know it can do it but thats an "accel" proxy, right? |
| 16:33.32 | EsK | why is debian a pain in the ass to install |
| 16:33.51 | directhex | EsK, sarge or woody? |
| 16:33.54 | asuffield | EsK: because you're trying to type with your butt. use your hands instead |
| 16:34.00 | baz | EsK: not enough information |
| 16:34.02 | Phated | Ooh, harsh. |
| 16:34.17 | asuffield | Phated: you may use your butt, that would be amusing to watch |
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| 16:34.29 | saebl | when sarge gets finally stable ? |
| 16:34.31 | FieldySnuts | bleh router died |
| 16:34.34 | directhex | !wwsr |
| 16:34.34 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
| 16:34.35 | Phated | asuffield: You double-standardising pervert! :) |
| 16:34.42 | baz | most of the time during the install you're just pressing return, I could do that with my butt I think |
| 16:35.06 | Phated | You should go into being a personal trainer, I know some chicks who'd die for a butt that tiny. |
| 16:35.09 | baz | and there I was thinking I had nothing to do this weekend |
| 16:35.17 | EsK | well not really a pain in the ass, the guys that develope it should like, put a gui for the package selection or w/e |
| 16:35.24 | asuffield | Phated: hey, it's not a double standard. it's a perfectly simple standard |
| 16:35.32 | helix | asuffield: why you so blur one? |
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| 16:35.43 | baz | EsK: most people don't select any packages at all, and then apt-get install them after the installation's complete |
| 16:35.44 | asuffield | helix: parse error |
| 16:35.48 | directhex | EsK, i notice you've ignored my question, which makes you pushed much closer to the "troll" category |
| 16:35.57 | EsK | lol |
| 16:35.57 | Phated | helix: When the heck did you take up Singlish? :| |
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| 16:36.07 | EsK | whatd u ask direct |
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| 16:36.15 | directhex | <directhex> EsK, sarge or woody? |
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| 16:36.31 | EsK | oh, i dont know, i didnt pay attention, i just downloaded the ISO's n shit |
| 16:36.48 | helix | asuffield: sorry, you were just part of an experiment |
| 16:36.54 | MikkelK | baz: I mostly get a lot of "grep: [folder] is a catalog" |
| 16:36.56 | stew | EsK: ubuntu isos? |
| 16:36.58 | Phated | helix: I think you broke him. |
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| 16:37.04 | directhex | EsK, that would be woody, which uses an installer which is somewhat old, and no longer developed ot in use |
| 16:37.06 | baz | EsK: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:37.15 | EsK | alright |
| 16:37.18 | petemc | directhex: ewrongchannel :) |
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| 16:37.28 | Nosf3ratu | !tell EsK about d-i |
| 16:37.30 | petemc | directhex: ignore me :| |
| 16:37.32 | directhex | petemc, ? |
| 16:37.34 | asuffield | helix: is this sequence of strange psychological experiments a regular monthly thing? :P |
| 16:37.43 | helix | maybe |
| 16:37.50 | helix | it's much more ethical than the ones I do on other people |
| 16:37.51 | directhex | asuffield, careful, you're headed into dangerous territory |
| 16:37.53 | EsK | can anyone like donate me some more cd-r's? |
| 16:38.07 | directhex | EsK, let me guess, you burnt seven CDs? |
| 16:38.14 | Phated | They cost 50 cents each. If you can't afford more, you shouldn't be paying for a net connection. |
| 16:38.16 | EsK | unfortunatly |
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| 16:38.28 | EsK | lol i dont pay the bill |
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| 16:38.37 | directhex | EsK, that was retarded. you need a 110mb ISO, and a net connection. |
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| 16:38.56 | Redwraith111 | k now i think this is critical |
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| 16:39.09 | asuffield | directhex: I fear nothing |
| 16:39.10 | Redwraith111 | to restart (stop and restart) my x server is it ctrl alt backspace? |
| 16:39.11 | EsK | oh well, i burnt it like a month ago, and i trashed the shit cuz i couldnt get it to work |
| 16:39.17 | baz | or even a 30Mb iso |
| 16:39.27 | directhex | baz, true |
| 16:39.27 | helix | directhex: he likes the experiments. says they "tickle". |
| 16:39.33 | ruzbeh | how come i can't get 2.6.11 with apt-get? |
| 16:39.39 | ruzbeh | the kernel |
| 16:39.44 | HecKel | in wich channel can I ask questions about algorithms? |
| 16:39.54 | asuffield | I did not |
| 16:39.56 | directhex | #patentviolations |
| 16:40.10 | baz | ruzbeh: it's not in sarge, if that's what you're using |
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| 16:40.18 | directhex | or sid |
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| 16:40.27 | baz | ah |
| 16:40.29 | ruzbeh | baz, i don't know what im using, im currently installing debian with chroot >:) |
| 16:40.40 | directhex | but really, who needs 2.6.11? hands up here who's running an Infiniband interconnect on their PC |
| 16:40.44 | ruzbeh | baz, i want sarge, but i also want 2.6.11, and i want it NOW |
| 16:40.54 | asg | ruzbeh: then compile it from source |
| 16:40.59 | baz | ruzbeh: one or the other, I'm afraid - unless you want to maintain your own kernel |
| 16:41.03 | ix | source is your friend! |
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| 16:41.04 | Phated | directhex: "Latest/Greatest Syndrome". |
| 16:41.06 | EsK | probably a retarded question, but like, whats the difference from debian to fedora |
| 16:41.09 | mp3j2 | hello |
| 16:41.11 | baz | ruzbeh: and if you understand what that entails, you shouldn't need help doing it ;) |
| 16:41.14 | asg | EsK: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 16:41.20 | abrotman | EsK: bah .. asg wins |
| 16:41.28 | ruzbeh | asg, ok, it's ok to manually grab and install a kernel? |
| 16:41.41 | baz | ruzbeh: sure, but apt won't update it for you when it needs security patches etc |
| 16:41.44 | directhex | EsK, everything |
| 16:41.48 | asg | ruzbeh: you can do whatever you wish, it's your system. |
| 16:41.53 | EsK | i didnt get a message from dpkg |
| 16:41.55 | directhex | !tell ruzbeh about kp |
| 16:42.00 | mp3j2 | is anyone outthere with a lot of patience that can tell me how do i share a whle hd with the windows machines? the drive i want to share is hdg1 in advance thank you |
| 16:42.08 | asuffield | Phated: and you're demonstrating Random Ucfirst Syndrome |
| 16:42.10 | asg | ruzbeh: I prefer distributed kernels but sometimes I can't use them so I compile my own. Done. |
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| 16:42.25 | Phated | asuffield: Ucfirst...? |
| 16:42.28 | baz | mp3j2: format it from windows as FAT, then mount it from linux using the vfat driver |
| 16:42.48 | directhex | i think he means samba, baz |
| 16:42.54 | asg | !tell EsK about why debian |
| 16:42.54 | mp3j2 | baz |
| 16:43.04 | baz | !kill baz |
| 16:43.05 | baz | doh |
| 16:43.05 | mp3j2 | thank you they are already ntfs formated |
| 16:43.16 | mp3j2 | and they are 250gb each anyotherway? |
| 16:43.17 | directhex | you can't write to ntfs from linux |
| 16:43.44 | asuffield | asuffield@cyclone:~$ perl -e 'print join(" ",map{ucfirst}qw/foo bar baz/)."\n"' |
| 16:43.44 | asuffield | Foo Bar Baz |
| 16:43.46 | asuffield | Phated: ucfirst. |
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| 16:43.51 | baz | sorry, misread the question. yeah you share them on the network with samba, but if they're already ntfs then you won't be able to write to them |
| 16:43.54 | baz | not safely, anyway |
| 16:43.57 | mp3j2 | i do not want to write to them i just want to share them with my windows machines they are in my linux box now |
| 16:44.06 | Phated | Ucfirst... Right, OK, sure. Ucfirst. |
| 16:44.36 | asuffield | geez, so-called geeks these days. don't even know perl |
| 16:44.46 | mp3j2 | how do ic onfigure samba for that? the hd is hdg1 |
| 16:44.56 | Phated | I am no geek. |
| 16:45.04 | Phated | (Obviously.) |
| 16:45.10 | directhex | Phated, sure you're a geek, that's why we like you |
| 16:45.11 | asuffield | hurry up and grow out of it then |
| 16:45.14 | pipeline | I wouldn't say that knowing perl is a good thing. |
| 16:45.17 | asg | asuffield: while(<>){print;} takes 40 lines of python code to replicate its functionality |
| 16:45.19 | pipeline | I would prefer that nobody knew perl. |
| 16:45.21 | directhex | nerds think in perl, not geeks |
| 16:45.31 | Phated | directhex: How sweet of you. |
| 16:45.37 | fusQuanto | baz ok it booted up into a windows system and on the left are 3 (among more) icons of my hard drive partitions, when i click on it it says ext3 isnt supported by this kernel :( |
| 16:46.05 | fusQuanto | baz and hte other two say that they cannot determine hte fs type |
| 16:46.18 | EsK | if i was to change from ubuntu, which iso do i need |
| 16:46.22 | EsK | just the first one? |
| 16:46.22 | fusQuanto | i think i had devfs |
| 16:46.25 | asuffield | directhex: oh please, you just like staring at her chest |
| 16:46.33 | Phated | What chest? ;) |
| 16:46.40 | directhex | asuffield, i like boobies in general. who doesn't? |
| 16:46.47 | Phated | Me? |
| 16:46.53 | directhex | lies |
| 16:46.58 | Phated | Not. |
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| 16:47.23 | quiet | how do I completely stop X?? |
| 16:47.27 | quiet | init 3? |
| 16:47.29 | directhex | completely impartial judge. PerfDave, do YOU like boobies? |
| 16:47.34 | asuffield | Phated: the fact that you're flat-chested doesn't actually bother some people :P |
| 16:47.36 | directhex | quiet, debian doesn't use runlevels like that |
| 16:47.37 | asg | quiet: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 16:47.43 | directhex | quiet, you use GDM presumably? |
| 16:47.45 | Phated | asuffield: Wodnerful! :) |
| 16:47.48 | directhex | quiet, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:47.54 | quiet | thanks directhex |
| 16:47.54 | Phated | Eh, wonderful, even. |
| 16:48.03 | directhex | quiet, if not, try xdm or kdm |
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| 16:48.25 | FieldySnuts | damn badgers :( |
| 16:48.29 | EsK | if i wanted to change from ubuntu to debian, will i just need the first ISO? |
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| 16:48.43 | __MDC__ | anyone have a clue on how to get ipsec (freeswan/openswan) to get working with testing/unstable, ipsec verify says the KLIPS module is missing in the kernel...? |
| 16:48.46 | FieldySnuts | keep it simple, reinstall fromscratch |
| 16:48.52 | neversaynever | hello.im new to debian,i want to install debian woody r2 with only gnome.but also kde is installed.how can i stop that? |
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| 16:48.59 | directhex | EsK, you need the 40mb net install iso, or more. if you want all of cd1, then fine |
| 16:49.31 | EsK | i dont know if im able to do the net install, because my NIC sucks |
| 16:49.45 | FieldySnuts | replace it |
| 16:49.55 | EsK | i dont have the money for it |
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| 16:50.07 | Phated | What NIC, precisely? |
| 16:50.12 | EsK | uhhh |
| 16:50.23 | EsK | how do i check, i kno its realtek |
| 16:50.23 | fusQuanto | hey guys im trying to rescue a crashed HD, i booted up with a knoppix cd... what can i do? how do i bootup my old system, or try to get to its partitions |
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| 16:50.33 | Phated | Hey, you don't pay the bills! You presumably have someone to bug to get a new one, don'tcha! |
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| 16:50.44 | asg | fusQuanto: mount the old partition(s), chroot to them, fix things. |
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| 16:51.02 | fusQuanto | asg thsi thing says ext3 isnt supported |
| 16:51.09 | fusQuanto | this thing = knoppix i guess |
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| 16:51.41 | asg | fusQuanto: ask #knoppix wtf ext3 isn't supported. It should be, or there should be some kernel that supports it. |
| 16:51.50 | directhex | it'll be rtl8139 |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | or knoppix sucks! |
| 16:52.04 | treestone | fusQuanto: If the partitions are ok knoppix will detect them automatically and show them in the KDE desktop. And use latest knoppix (3.7 or so) |
| 16:52.20 | ValiSystM | hello ! |
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| 16:52.35 | fusQuanto | treestone yes it did that but clickign on them gives error msgs that it doesnt recogniez the part type |
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| 16:52.59 | PerfDave | directhex: Hooray for boobies! |
| 16:53.08 | asg | !breastfeed PerfDave |
| 16:53.09 | abrotman | noobies? |
| 16:53.09 | asuffield | what a surprise |
| 16:53.11 | PerfDave | EsK: Read the Installation Manual, I'd advise getting the full first CD |
| 16:53.13 | ValiSystM | i don't know how to solve the java2-runtime depency ... i don't know what package to install. thanx for help ! |
| 16:53.20 | directhex | PerfDave, agreed |
| 16:53.25 | asg | ValiSystM: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:53.30 | directhex | !dachs PerfDave |
| 16:53.31 | dpkg | PerfDave: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 16:53.35 | treestone | fusQuanto: If the partitions are screwed (partition table destruction) you can run 'testdisk' from a knoppix command line, it'll analyze the disk and tell you what's there (and it can reconstruct a partition table with what it could salvage) |
| 16:53.49 | asg | skydoll: we don't care, turn that off please. |
| 16:53.51 | aardvark | !tell skydoll about away |
| 16:54.27 | fusQuanto | treestone ok cool doing that now |
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| 16:54.56 | fusQuanto | treestone it showed me what i got and says quit or save... what can i do with this |
| 16:54.58 | eguzkia | hi |
| 16:55.06 | ValiSystM | thanks asg |
| 16:55.11 | fusQuanto | it shows i have two primary bootables |
| 16:55.12 | ValiSystM | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.13 | eguzkia | someone can help about router |
| 16:55.18 | fusQuanto | all the info is identical hrmm |
| 16:55.26 | treestone | fusQuanto: Can't help you much there, you'll have to stare at it and figure out what's to be done yourself. |
| 16:55.28 | eguzkia | i have 2 pc with a router |
| 16:55.32 | sgnut | Hi all!!! Anyone knows a good way of sync two mail servers using Maildir (one of them is a redundant server)? |
| 16:55.37 | skydoll | what's the matter |
| 16:55.41 | asg | sgnut: rsync |
| 16:55.46 | fusQuanto | treestone oh theres more after you quit, nm |
| 16:56.06 | sgnut | asg: yes, I know rsync, but there is another better way? |
| 16:56.09 | eguzkia | frim one i can have access to internet, but the other one when i try to start mozilla the connection was refused |
| 16:56.10 | alec | sgnut, there are some nifty scripts that use fam to detect filesystem changes and rsync the changes over |
| 16:56.12 | asg | sgnut: then again, if you are using Maildir, you could use a network filesystem for both |
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| 16:56.24 | treestone | fusQuanto: You could write back a parition table, particularly if e.g. 'fdisk' indicates something wrong. Try that tool too, before you decide what to do with testdisk. |
| 16:56.38 | sgnut | asg: yes but I want two different filesystems |
| 16:56.54 | sgnut | alec: where I can find this scripts? |
| 16:57.10 | asg | sgnut: uh, okay. |
| 16:57.23 | sgnut | asg: one is a redundant mail server for HA |
| 16:57.24 | alec | sgnut, I'm scrounging around for them now but can't find them; I think I saw them on the official FAM site |
| 16:57.44 | sgnut | alec: mmm ok I will look for |
| 16:57.48 | sgnut | alec: thanx |
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| 16:57.57 | alec | sgnut, you could also look at a replicating filesystem - Red Hat has one, can't remember its name (probably has 'global' or 'enterprise' in it) |
| 16:57.57 | petemc | sgnut: i use tar and ssh to sync two boxes, but i should change that to rsync |
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| 16:58.11 | alec | sgnut, may have been ported to debian |
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| 16:58.19 | JosephSpiros | updating one of my more cluttered testing machines |
| 16:58.24 | fusQuanto | treestone the problem when i bootup is... it goes thru lilo, boots up , tries to mount the HD and throws some weird stuff at me, says something about unsupported optoins and who knows what |
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| 16:58.27 | JosephSpiros | and it's installing two things new |
| 16:58.32 | JosephSpiros | that I didn't have before |
| 16:58.42 | JosephSpiros | pike7.2 (and related packages) and caudium (and related packages) |
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| 16:58.48 | JosephSpiros | any shakeup that would easily explain why? |
| 16:58.48 | asg | JosephSpiros: known bug |
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| 16:58.55 | asg | JosephSpiros: check the bts for php4-gd |
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| 16:59.00 | fusQuanto | treestone would running fsck on this thing help? |
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| 16:59.11 | Area-51 | is it possible to remove Eterm's menu via cli switches? |
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| 16:59.18 | JosephSpiros | asg: I don't have php4-gd installed :p |
| 16:59.20 | asg | fusQuanto: drop to a terminal and type 'modprobe ext3' |
| 16:59.22 | JosephSpiros | asg: but OK :) |
| 16:59.24 | asg | JosephSpiros: or php4-curl |
| 16:59.35 | Area-51 | or remove it any other way |
| 16:59.35 | asg | JosephSpiros: or one of the incidental php4 addons that you do |
| 16:59.37 | treestone | fusQuanto: At some stage you should be able to mount your root partition from knoppix. And then you can re-run lilo (with the right chroot options) to re-install lilo. As for fsck, it must see a valid filesystem (ext3?) before you can run it |
| 16:59.46 | usn | hi folx |
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| 16:59.57 | sdogi | where can i limit proccesses in debian? |
| 17:00.02 | sdogi | in what file |
| 17:00.11 | fusQuanto | asg i did that and nothing happens, just goes to next line in the shell |
| 17:00.17 | fusQuanto | treestone ahh ok thx |
| 17:00.24 | asg | Area-51: it's --buttonbar=off or something |
| 17:00.29 | fusQuanto | asg whats that mean |
| 17:00.38 | asg | fusQuanto: that it installed ext3 support. |
| 17:00.39 | sdogi | !proccesslimiting |
| 17:00.52 | treestone | sdogi: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 17:00.52 | Area-51 | asg: your right, thanks mate :) |
| 17:00.53 | JosephSpiros | asg: well, who says bugs are always bad though, this caudium package looks pretty nea t:) |
| 17:01.01 | fusQuanto | asg ok thats good , what about devfs ? i think one of my partitions was devfs, i had hte LVM thing going |
| 17:01.15 | sdogi | treestone: thanks |
| 17:01.20 | asg | JosephSpiros: installing something that isn't wanted (esp a large alternate web server package) is a bug. |
| 17:01.30 | asg | fusQuanto: not a clue, I don't use devfs |
| 17:01.50 | JosephSpiros | asg: haha, yes, yes, I'm just saying, it /did/ show me a new package I wouldn't have seen otherwise |
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| 17:02.02 | asg | JosephSpiros: *nod* |
| 17:02.04 | fusQuanto | asg so now if i want to do an fsck on a ext3 partition, i can right? |
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| 17:02.10 | treestone | fusQuanto: You'll have trouble if you're trying to access an LVM partition filesystem from knoppix. The info is not available (it's in the original disk /etc/ directory). |
| 17:02.25 | caiqian | Hi all, how can I burn cue/bin image to CD with k3b? |
| 17:02.27 | rick-- | hi.. in the interfaces file, how do i bring up another ip |
| 17:02.35 | fusQuanto | treestone oh thats what im trying to do :( |
| 17:02.43 | treestone | fusQuanto: But presumably your root partition wasn't LVM, or was it?? |
| 17:02.43 | asg | fusQuanto: I expect so. See if you are still getting the 'ext3 error as before' |
| 17:02.46 | fusQuanto | i type fsck all by itself and it says Input/Output error |
| 17:03.02 | asg | fusQuanto: it's probably trying fsck the cdrom you are running live from |
| 17:03.09 | Bac9 | anyone know which of: discard, daytime, time, finger are critical to running a system and whih can be turned off from inetd.conf? (trying to make box more secure) |
| 17:03.16 | asg | rick--: /msg dpkg faq (look for the networking section and ip aliases) |
| 17:03.29 | fusQuanto | treestone how do i check? testdisck will tell me if hte root part was LVM? |
| 17:03.41 | alec | Bac9, none are critical |
| 17:03.45 | stdiia | any channel about algorithms? |
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| 17:03.48 | asg | Bac9: none are critical, turning some off will be rfc non-compliant though |
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| 17:03.57 | treestone | fusQuanto: It's not a strict rule, but an LVM parition usually has type 8E (can be seen with fdisk) |
| 17:03.59 | caiqian | when I drug cue/bin files to k3b and burn them to files, they are keep the same and don't extract. |
| 17:04.05 | asg | Bac9: indeed, none of those are used anymore on the modern Internet. |
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| 17:04.19 | asg | caiqian: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:04.20 | Bac9 | alec: so why are they turned on in default debian install? what are they for? are they just for serving the information to other boxes or somehow influence the box itself? |
| 17:04.21 | pureone | why do you drug cue/bin files? |
| 17:04.33 | asg | Bac9: rfc compliance |
| 17:04.40 | alec | Bac9, discard sends to /dev/null any traffic to the port; daytime and time are functions for seeing a system's time; finger shows information about certain users |
| 17:04.42 | mindframe | are there any xterm's out there that i can paste and copy text to/from using ctrl+c/ctrl+v ? |
| 17:04.49 | treestone | Bac9: Turn off finger, leaving time and daytime is ok |
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| 17:04.52 | Bac9 | asg: and which should be left on if going by rfc? (which rfc by the way)? |
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| 17:04.52 | caiqian | pureone: i creat a new data cd project |
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| 17:05.04 | EsK | so is woody the hard installation thing |
| 17:05.09 | alec | Bac9, they're generally expected available in unix-like systems |
| 17:05.11 | pureone | aint bin/cue files ment to be burned as image? |
| 17:05.19 | fusQuanto | treestone yah only hde3 is 8e, hte boot one is 83 |
| 17:05.24 | mindframe | EsK: woody is the stable release of debian |
| 17:05.29 | EsK | oh |
| 17:05.30 | directhex | bin/cue is a golden hawk technologies cdrwin disk image |
| 17:05.43 | alec | pureone, look for package bchunk |
| 17:05.48 | Bac9 | alec: I already block them at the firewall, but am not sure if anything will break if I turn them off compleatly |
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| 17:05.54 | EsK | does it have a gui for install |
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| 17:06.00 | alec | Bac9, nothing will break if you turn them off |
| 17:06.00 | asg | Bac9: nothing at all will break if you turn them off. |
| 17:06.01 | monteiro | anyone knows how i download the characters that is missing on my characters map ? |
| 17:06.07 | directhex | !d-i EsK |
| 17:06.08 | dpkg | EsK, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:06.13 | Bac9 | alec, asg: thanx |
| 17:06.18 | asg | Bac9: you're welcome |
| 17:06.21 | caiqian | alec, talking about bchunk, how can I convert them to only one iso file, not a set of |
| 17:06.22 | NOthsouth | Hi, I'm on debian sarge, trying to install HP820cxi printer, but debian don't detect the printer, I just install and when I try testpage, nothing hapens... |
| 17:06.37 | alec | caiqian, got me, wish I knew myself |
| 17:06.48 | seadog | Does anyone know how to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard? |
| 17:06.50 | directhex | bchunk has some major caveats. it will drop info stored in a .sub file, it will split up audio as .wav and data as .iso on mixed-mode discs |
| 17:06.50 | fusQuanto | treestone how do i go about verifyting that /dev/hde1 is ext3 or ext2 etc? |
| 17:06.57 | alec | caiqian, usually I'm lucky and they convert cleanly to one iso and I discard the redbook audio information |
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| 17:07.30 | caiqian | alec, Oh, got it. |
| 17:07.41 | fusQuanto | i ran fsck.ext3 /dev/hde1 and it says filesystem revision too high, or superblock is corrupt and to run e2fsck -b 8193 |
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| 17:07.52 | treestone | fusQuanto: It doesn't matter that much, you can in any case run fsck.ext2 on it. But just run 'file -s /dev/whatever' |
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| 17:08.01 | twi573d | hi |
| 17:08.03 | treestone | fusQuanto: The file -s command will tell you if it's ext3 |
| 17:08.21 | fusQuanto | oh oh oh treestone |
| 17:08.29 | greycat | ah, interesting. I always used file - < /dev/hda1 |
| 17:08.35 | fusQuanto | treestone it says ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery ) errors |
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| 17:08.54 | twi573d | yesterday I did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, it seemed to work fine, but now if I try to do a updatedb it says: /usr/bin/find: error in /etc/mtab: /.dev: No such file or directory |
| 17:08.59 | twi573d | what can I do? |
| 17:09.04 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 17:09.18 | greycat | !.dev |
| 17:09.18 | dpkg | from memory, .dev is a by-product of udev |
| 17:09.19 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: ------------[ cut here ]------------ |
| 17:09.19 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:483! |
| 17:09.19 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: invalid operand: 0000 [#1] |
| 17:09.19 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: PREEMPT |
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| 17:09.31 | ruzbeh | my system says it cant find 'gcc' but i just installed it without a problem, anyone help? |
| 17:09.37 | asg | !b-e ruzbeh |
| 17:09.37 | dpkg | ruzbeh: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 17:09.46 | quiet | what's the dpkg command for the sarge -> stable info?? |
| 17:09.48 | ruzbeh | oh boy.. |
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| 17:09.51 | fusQuanto | treestone do yo uknow what that means or what to do? it says /dev/hde1 needs a journal recovery. asg? |
| 17:09.55 | greycat | quiet: impossible. |
| 17:09.59 | asg | quiet: you can't go from sarge to stable |
| 17:10.00 | quiet | no no no |
| 17:10.04 | treestone | fusQuanto: Do you have an old knoppix version by any chance? |
| 17:10.07 | twi573d | greycat: u meant that to me about .dev? |
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| 17:10.11 | quiet | i mean /msg dpkg |
| 17:10.17 | greycat | twi573d: udev is evil. |
| 17:10.21 | fusQuanto | treestone no this is the only one i got. its from 8-2004 i believe |
| 17:10.24 | greycat | not as evil as devfs, of course, but still. |
| 17:10.24 | asg | fusQuanto: not a clue. |
| 17:10.30 | yoo | my X crashes because of this message ! |
| 17:10.32 | twi573d | greycat: I don't know I didn't set up that file myself... |
| 17:10.33 | mindframe | anyone know where i can find a howto on setting up pcmcia 802.11b cards? |
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| 17:10.42 | asg | yoo: is this a debian packaged kernel? |
| 17:10.55 | yoo | kernel -source |
| 17:10.56 | fusQuanto | treestone but while my HD was crashing i went into the console and it was spewing out all sorts of "journal" errors. the same error over and over |
| 17:10.57 | yoo | yes |
| 17:11.02 | asg | yoo: then file a bug with upstream |
| 17:11.15 | greycat | twi573d: well, if mtab is hosed, I suppose you might have to reboot to get it straightened out. |
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| 17:11.18 | asg | yoo: or check with #xfree86 to see if they know. |
| 17:11.25 | greycat | twi573d: otherwise, can you just ignore the error message? |
| 17:11.26 | flawd | when do you think sarge will be released? |
| 17:11.29 | treestone | fusQuanto: You should definitely get a newer one. Download and burn one somewhere else. It sounds like maybe you have a version with a too old fsck. Possibly. |
| 17:11.34 | yoo | asg : thx |
| 17:11.35 | greycat | !when will sarge be released |
| 17:11.35 | asg | flawd: April 1st |
| 17:11.36 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, sarge should be out by next year. |
| 17:11.44 | twi573d | greycat: well I can't ignore since it doesn't update my locate db... and I use locate like... all the time |
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| 17:11.58 | greycat | asg: oh.... I predict there will definitely be an announcement made on that day. |
| 17:12.01 | fusQuanto | treestone what date should i look for? this journal recovery deal sounds correct though, i got that from file -s |
| 17:12.07 | asg | greycat: yes, it's the only safe bet ;) |
| 17:12.24 | treestone | fusQuanto: Do 'fsck.ext3 -V' |
| 17:12.31 | twi573d | k I'm gonna give reboot a try |
| 17:12.32 | twi573d | bbl |
| 17:12.35 | seadog | Does anyone know how to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard? |
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| 17:12.46 | flawd | if I install sarge with http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ now, will I be able to upgrade/fix it over the net when sarge is stable so it will be like a clean sarge stable install then? |
| 17:12.49 | DebianTestr | i have a /bin/sh question now.. I want to build a value list for an sql statement with variables and I can't demean the value of the single quote.. do I have to put the single quote between two double quotes? |
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| 17:13.24 | tdonahue | hi all, quick question on John the Ripper's output... what does the field labeled c/s: report? |
| 17:13.24 | greycat | DebianTestr: foo="blah 'bleh' blah 'bleh'" works. if that's what you mean., |
| 17:13.33 | Bac9 | anyone know what port tcp/1041 is for? netstat -lnp just reports "-" for process |
| 17:13.41 | greycat | Bac9: netstat -p requires root. |
| 17:13.43 | seadog | 1041 is assignable |
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| 17:13.52 | greycat | 1041 is just a number. |
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| 17:13.57 | seadog | could be anything |
| 17:14.01 | Bac9 | greycat: your point being? (I am root) |
| 17:14.03 | directhex | 666 is Doom |
| 17:14.03 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/259737 <-- any help appriciated |
| 17:14.08 | seadog | anything <1024 is assignable |
| 17:14.12 | flawd | or maybe that question didnt make sense |
| 17:14.14 | fusQuanto | treestone its from feb 2004 |
| 17:14.17 | greycat | Bac9: what makes you think anything IS listening on it? |
| 17:14.25 | fusQuanto | 1.35, treestone |
| 17:14.36 | Bac9 | greycat: this: "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1041 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -" |
| 17:14.40 | DebianTestr | greycat: i was doing '$1', '$2', '$3' |
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| 17:14.50 | greycat | Bac9: how about "lsof -i :1041"? |
| 17:15.00 | greycat | DebianTestr: foo="'$1', '$2', '$3'" works. |
| 17:15.05 | flawd | if i install sarge now, will I have to reinstall it when sarge becomes stable or will it become the same thing as stable if I just keep updating it? |
| 17:15.09 | DebianTestr | k let me try |
| 17:15.11 | Bac9 | greycat: nothing |
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| 17:15.17 | greycat | flawd: no, just updates. |
| 17:15.19 | pwned | I am using debian sid, is it worth compiling my own 2.6.11.4 kernel just because my sound card needs a module which is distributed with 2.6.11 and I have problems compiling latest alsa cvs for the module? |
| 17:15.21 | treestone | fusQuanto: Hm.. I have 1.36.. 1.35 sounds new enough but I'm not sure. In any case I don't have any good advice about how to interpret and handle errors that fsck can't fix outright, unfortunately. |
| 17:15.26 | Bac9 | greycat: as in lsof just exits without printing anything out |
| 17:15.36 | pwned | or will 2.6.11 be with us shortly |
| 17:15.49 | greycat | Bac9: very fishy. |
| 17:15.50 | DebianTestr | hmmm it worked greycat good call |
| 17:15.53 | directhex | !tell pwned about kp |
| 17:15.58 | greycat | Bac9: are you sure that thing is still showing up on port 1041 in netstat? maybe it's dead now. |
| 17:15.59 | Bac9 | greycat: agreed |
| 17:15.59 | fusQuanto | treestone ok so you dont know what this "needs journal recovery" error means or what to do with it? |
| 17:16.21 | treestone | fusQuanto: I'm not familiar with that error message, no. |
| 17:16.23 | pwned | directhex, I take that as "yes, compile the kernel the debian way" (= |
| 17:16.32 | fusQuanto | does anyone else have a clue what to do about this... my HD sorta crashed and im tryign to recover, i did a file -s /dev/hde1 and it reports that it "needs journal recovery" |
| 17:16.38 | fusQuanto | ok thakn sfor your help treestone |
| 17:16.39 | fusQuanto | greycat do you know? |
| 17:16.42 | flawd | greycat, ok so updating a now installed sarge bow will be the same sarge as installing from a cd when sarge is released? |
| 17:16.49 | flawd | box |
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| 17:16.57 | Bac9 | greycat: yep just did netstat again and still see that line |
| 17:17.09 | redduck666 | fusQuanto, i think tune2fs -j rebuilds journals |
| 17:17.19 | greycat | flawd: yes. |
| 17:17.28 | flawd | greycat, thank you. that is great |
| 17:17.30 | directhex | flawd, yes, as long as you ensure the kernel runnign on the system is up to date (e.g. on RC2 installs, a -1- kernel is installed, these have been removed & replacewd with -2- |
| 17:17.32 | dmp_ | greycat: do you think there is any useful work I can do to find why the sarge parisc netinst works here, and not anywhere else? |
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| 17:17.48 | greycat | dmp_: wish I knew. |
| 17:17.57 | fusQuanto | redduck666 so tune2fs -j /dev/hde1? |
| 17:18.01 | greycat | dmp_: all of my useful hppa experience so far is with HP-UX, not linux. |
| 17:18.01 | dmp_ | well, I've got 5 j5000s to play with ;) |
| 17:18.04 | flawd | and also, if sarge is to be released april, one can assume it is quite stable allready? |
| 17:18.12 | chealer | april? |
| 17:18.13 | greycat | dmp_: mine's a B132L. |
| 17:18.19 | asg | flawd: that was a joke, btw |
| 17:18.27 | flawd | asg ouch |
| 17:18.28 | flawd | too bad |
| 17:18.35 | flawd | i didnt get it lol |
| 17:18.35 | greycat | oh, actually an L+. |
| 17:18.37 | asg | flawd: though optimistic estimates peg the end of April as being possible. |
| 17:18.37 | redduck666 | fusQuanto, if the partition you want to do things with is hde1 than yes |
| 17:18.56 | Bac9 | greycat: any idea on how to trace what process has that port open? |
| 17:18.57 | flawd | april fools day. should have been obvious |
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| 17:19.05 | greycat | Bac9: lsof, as I said. |
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| 17:19.16 | greycat | Bac9: something very odd is happening on your system that I can't explain. |
| 17:19.16 | flawd | although, in a month or three? |
| 17:19.18 | nnnnnn | hey |
| 17:19.23 | nnnnnn | how do i make my crontab not send me email messages? |
| 17:19.25 | ruzbeh | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 17:19.25 | ruzbeh | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
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| 17:19.31 | greycat | ruzbeh: FAQ |
| 17:19.33 | ruzbeh | i cant find the package with apt-get, anyone? |
| 17:19.38 | greycat | !faq ruzbeh |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | ruzbeh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:19.48 | ruzbeh | thanks |
| 17:19.49 | directhex | !ncurses-devel |
| 17:19.51 | Bac9 | greycat: I can't explain either, ut wanted to know if thre was a way to find out, lsof and netstat don't want to tell me |
| 17:19.58 | fusQuanto | redduck666 it is, and i did that command and it says "Filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/hde1" couldn't find a valid filesystem superblock. whats that mean? treestone? |
| 17:19.59 | directhex | now that really SHOULD be a factoid |
| 17:20.00 | greycat | Bac9: those *are* the two ways. |
| 17:20.06 | flawd | is sarge fairly stable as it is now? |
| 17:20.11 | bodq | nnnnnn: why would you want it? |
| 17:20.11 | flawd | is it usable? |
| 17:20.13 | greycat | directhex: go ahead. |
| 17:20.18 | flawd | for a desktop single user box? |
| 17:20.19 | Bac9 | greycat: ony two ways? |
| 17:20.21 | greycat | flawd: yes |
| 17:20.26 | greycat | Bac9: only ones I know of. |
| 17:20.27 | nnnnnn | bodq, couse i get a email every 5 minutes.. |
| 17:20.28 | Bac9 | greycat: oh well, I'll keep digging |
| 17:20.37 | directhex | !ncurses-devel is libncurses5-dev in Debian land (as opposed to Red Hat World) |
| 17:20.37 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 17:20.38 | Bac9 | greycat: yeah only ones I know of too |
| 17:20.39 | flawd | good |
| 17:20.42 | JosephSpiros | I used to use a package that had a utility that would ask dpkg for everything that should be installed by the package system, and then list everything on my system that isn't maintained |
| 17:20.48 | JosephSpiros | but now I can't remember what it was called |
| 17:20.48 | redduck666 | fusQuanto, don't know what does that mean. maybe man tune2fs can answer yur question |
| 17:20.49 | JosephSpiros | :( |
| 17:21.46 | treestone | fusQuanto: It could still be an option to go to the very latest fsck (1.36 I think, from feb. 2005), it should be included on the latest knoppix CD I think. |
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| 17:21.55 | Wille88_ | has anyone via-rhineII network card and 2.6.11.x? |
| 17:22.05 | Bac9 | greycat: aparently nfs-kernel-server uses it, turning it off made the ports go away, but every time its random two ports |
| 17:22.14 | seadog | Does anyone know how to set up a bluetooth mouse and keyboard? |
| 17:22.24 | seadog | On Debian ^? |
| 17:22.34 | seadog | yeah lol |
| 17:22.44 | fusQuanto | treestone do you know where to get that iso at? im looking at a few on knoppix.org mirrors and they have my old one |
| 17:22.47 | nvz | treestone: no, I farted |
| 17:22.52 | nvz | ... and it stinks |
| 17:22.58 | treestone | lol |
| 17:23.11 | treestone | fusQuanto: Should be at the actual knoppix.org site |
| 17:23.19 | stew | treestone: there hasn't been a knoppix release since feb 2005 |
| 17:23.24 | greycat | Bac9: interesting. |
| 17:23.28 | stew | i don't think there has been one this year |
| 17:23.31 | directhex | knopper.net |
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| 17:23.41 | directhex | there was a CeBIT release of knopix, 3.8 |
| 17:23.45 | stew | ahh |
| 17:23.47 | greycat | Bac9: which kernel is that? |
| 17:23.52 | fusQuanto | treestone hte one i have is 12-2004, v3.7 |
| 17:23.56 | Bac9 | greycat: 2.4.28 |
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| 17:24.11 | pureone | knoppix 3.8 is rather nice |
| 17:24.18 | fusQuanto | wheres it at :( |
| 17:24.19 | Bac9 | greycat: nfs is known to have some "jumping" ports, it's just hard to pin them all down |
| 17:24.49 | flawd | why would one use knoppix over debian? |
| 17:24.53 | flawd | isnt the pure debian better? |
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| 17:24.55 | treestone | fusQuanto: Ok that's pretty new. But there's a 3.8. But did you boot with knoppix26? It will sometimes improve the situation (and sometimes the opposite) to run knoppix with a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:24.59 | Bac9 | greycat: ones I know of is rpc.mountd and rpc.statd, but this one seems some third one |
| 17:25.07 | greycat | flawd: of course debian is better. unless you actually want a live CD. |
| 17:25.12 | flawd | yeah |
| 17:25.25 | greycat | Bac9: try an nfs/linux mailing list |
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| 17:25.46 | treestone | flawd: fusQuanto is in a recovery situation, for that purpose knoppix is sometimes very useful. |
| 17:25.56 | greycat | yes, that's one very good use for it |
| 17:25.58 | leonel | come out sarge please ! |
| 17:26.14 | flawd | ok so in the dvdimages of sarge there is 2 jigdo files. sarge-i386-1.jigdo and sarge-i386-2.jigdo. it is more than one dvd? |
| 17:26.19 | fusQuanto | treestone rebooting to check that for u... |
| 17:26.21 | JosephSpiros | ah yes, cruft is the package I was looking for |
| 17:26.26 | asg | treestone: bootcd can be used to easily make a live CD from a running debian system (or debian chroot + whichever kernel you want) |
| 17:26.37 | greycat | flawd: sarge is about 8 GB worth of packages. |
| 17:26.41 | flawd | wow |
| 17:26.43 | flawd | that is alot |
| 17:26.43 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/259737 <-- any help appriciated |
| 17:26.59 | greycat | flawd: and those packages are going to be updated before it releases, rendering any dvd you create obsolete. |
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| 17:27.24 | asg | redduck666: bad link, try again |
| 17:27.26 | chealer | hey K9-Cop |
| 17:27.27 | fusQuanto | treestone ok im at the boot: menu, where does it say what im booting with |
| 17:27.28 | DebianTestr | question.. if your an admin how do you email everyone automatically. do you have to make an email list? |
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| 17:27.31 | K9-Cop | hello |
| 17:27.35 | Wille88_ | how can I increase nfs-performance? I'm using 2.6 and load averages are very high in server and client, when I run something heavier |
| 17:27.43 | flawd | greycat, so it would be smarter to just download the first iso and then net install the rest? |
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| 17:27.44 | chealer | K9-Cop: are you from quebec city? |
| 17:27.46 | asg | DebianTestr: you can. |
| 17:27.50 | treestone | asg: I used to make my own recovery systems (first floppies, later CDs) but I'm lazy enough to just use knoppix instead, as long as it does the job. |
| 17:27.51 | flawd | (meaning cd iso) |
| 17:27.52 | greycat | flawd: yes |
| 17:27.54 | K9-Cop | chealer: sorry, from Ontario |
| 17:27.55 | flawd | ok |
| 17:27.55 | DebianTestr | is there a special way just to email an entire domain |
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| 17:28.02 | greycat | DebianTestr: GODS, no. |
| 17:28.06 | DebianTestr | lol |
| 17:28.08 | treestone | fusQuanto: At boot just enter 'knoppix26' instead of 'knoppix' (or return) |
| 17:28.11 | greycat | DebianTestr: could you IMAGINE the spam? |
| 17:28.14 | asg | treestone: true but bootcd is very simple to use and then you get a live CD without having to do any work. |
| 17:28.16 | chealer | K9-Cop: sorry, it's always the same deception :) |
| 17:28.19 | DebianTestr | yeah the spam is bad enough as it is :) |
| 17:28.20 | tyler_ | I'm having an issue with cdrom dma. I'm running the lastest debian packaged kernel (2.6.10-1-k7). When I attempt to use HDPARM to enable DMA on my cdrom, I get the following |
| 17:28.25 | K9-Cop | chealer: haha |
| 17:28.30 | tyler_ | anthem# hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 17:28.30 | tyler_ | /dev/hda: |
| 17:28.30 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.30 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.32 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/259804 <-- any help appriciated (link fixed, thanks asg) |
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| 17:28.41 | tyler_ | oops, soory bout that |
| 17:28.46 | DebianTestr | how do admins send out notices then to all the users.. just email list? |
| 17:28.47 | Bac9 | greycat: I am guessing it's rpc.lockd as it's the only other one that's started by nfs |
| 17:28.50 | treestone | asg: But I don't have to do any work :-) The sysadm downloads them and burns them and he's dealing them out like candy :-) |
| 17:28.52 | greycat | tyler_: you should not HAVE to set dma by hand. |
| 17:29.01 | greycat | tyler_: load the driver for your motherboard's IDE chipset |
| 17:29.01 | K9-Cop | question: I'm a home user with a router, I do not need to use remote logins. Can I safely remove ssh via update-rc.d? |
| 17:29.24 | greycat | Bac9: there is also nfsd. |
| 17:29.30 | Bac9 | greycat: but it doesn't look like it should start so I dono |
| 17:29.31 | asg | treestone: bah :) |
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| 17:29.39 | greycat | Bac9: but I can't tell you which ones of those actually open ports, which ones are kernel threads vs. userspace processes, etc. |
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| 17:30.09 | greycat | K9-Cop: yes, you can, but there's also "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" |
| 17:30.12 | tyler_ | greycat: the motherboard ide module *is* loaded (via82cxxx) |
| 17:30.27 | greycat | tyler_: then it ought to work. tried google? |
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| 17:30.34 | tyler_ | greycat: yes, to no avail... |
| 17:30.35 | Bac9 | greycat: rpc.nfsd starts on 2049, and that's accounted for |
| 17:30.45 | asg | DebianTestr: or a simple alias expansion (depending on the number of users.) |
| 17:31.08 | fusQuanto | treestone ok loading with knoppix26 now |
| 17:31.14 | tyler_ | and there is no reason DMA shouldn't work on this drive. It works fine in thatOtherOS |
| 17:31.43 | dmp_ | hdparm -d1 /dev/blah worksforme |
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| 17:32.29 | Bac9 | greycat: I can account for nfsd, statd and mountd, but have no clue what's starting the other "jumping" port but it's related to nfs |
| 17:32.42 | tyler_ | greycat: Maybe I need to force load the module a boot? |
| 17:32.55 | greycat | tyler_: I thought you said it was loaded. |
| 17:33.00 | tyler_ | I noticed in dmesg that it's just using Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 for IDE |
| 17:33.11 | greycat | Bac9: there should be an nfs-on-linux mailing list. ask them. |
| 17:33.20 | tyler_ | greycat: it is loaded, but I mean explicitly loading it, instead of letting the hardware auto-magic pull it in |
| 17:33.26 | Bac9 | greycat: I also get a "-" for process of nfsd, but I guess that's because it's a kernel process |
| 17:33.38 | treestone | greycat: About fsck -s vs. fsck - <, the former probably only works on linux.. while the latter is ok on hp-ux too I guess. |
| 17:33.41 | Bac9 | greycat: well thanx for trying to help |
| 17:33.48 | greycat | treestone: file, not fsck. |
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| 17:34.12 | tyler_ | yep, looks like that's my problem |
| 17:34.18 | fusQuanto | treestone ok booted up with knoppix26, everything with fsck and tune2fs errors are the same, bad superblock |
| 17:34.24 | tyler_ | UIDE has already claimed the IDE ports before it loads the via82 stuff |
| 17:34.31 | K9-Cop | greycat: dpkg-reconfigure ssh only gives me an option to not run the server (which is what I'm already doing), and apt-get remove ssh asks me if I'm willing to remove kde! |
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| 17:34.41 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.45 | greycat | K9-Cop: don't apt-get remove it. you want the client. |
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| 17:34.46 | treestone | It did start with f :-) My brain does that to me sometimes. |
| 17:34.59 | treestone | fusQuanto: Ah. Too bad. |
| 17:34.59 | greycat | treestone: four letter words starting with f.... hmm... |
| 17:35.10 | treestone | hm |
| 17:35.18 | K9-Cop | greycat: so the startup item S20ssh, is that the client? and sshd is the server? |
| 17:35.28 | greycat | K9-Cop: the client does not run at boot time. |
| 17:35.39 | greycat | the client runs when you type "ssh" at a prompt |
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| 17:36.10 | asg | karsten: Delayed Greets |
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| 17:36.24 | ricky_clarkson | !burn cd |
| 17:36.31 | ricky_clarkson | !write cd |
| 17:36.35 | ricky_clarkson | Heeeelp. |
| 17:36.37 | dumbo | hi, i tried to setup software raid. It looked fine. /dev/md0. Then i wanted to test if mirror hd can take over and so i disconnected the primary . I couldn't reach grub with the mirror1 hd. is there a reason why grup did was not mirroed onto the secod (mirrored hd)? i have used software raid1 during the installation of d-i |
| 17:37.13 | ricky_clarkson | Now *that's* a broken Wiki. |
| 17:37.27 | DebianTestr | When I set the cram5 crypt into a variable how do you retain the $? |
| 17:37.32 | DebianTestr | I'm losing half of the crypt :( |
| 17:37.38 | valentinos | where i can find information on how to make the volume keys on my keyboard to work ? |
| 17:37.44 | flawd | I try to download the sarge cd with jigdo |
| 17:37.45 | ricky_clarkson | The wiki is fucked, who runs it? |
| 17:37.48 | pwned | tyler_, I'm doing that. Hope I get it to boot this time |
| 17:37.50 | asg | ricky_clarkson: tarzeau |
| 17:37.58 | Bac9 | greycat: do you happen to know if I need an identd? (as in will anything break internally if I don't have it)? |
| 17:38.01 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: tarzeau |
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| 17:38.13 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: Kindly bolt on 5G HD space to the wiki, please, if you're not busy. |
| 17:38.15 | asg | ricky_clarkson: IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device |
| 17:38.15 | treestone | Bac9: Nothing breaks. |
| 17:38.39 | greycat | or delete some logs |
| 17:38.44 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, so how do I burn a CD? What do you recommend? |
| 17:38.50 | ricky_clarkson | Microwave is not an option. |
| 17:38.52 | Bac9 | treestone: does anything aside from irc still use it? |
| 17:38.53 | fusQuanto | greycat, i do a 'file -s /dev/hde1' and it says ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery), so i do a tune2fs -j /dev/hde1 and it says couldnt find a valid filesystem superblock. so i did a fsck.ext3 /dev/hde1 and it says "filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/hde1" or corrupt superblock, try e2fsck -b 8193 <device> , so i did that command and it gives me the exact same error |
| 17:39.15 | asg | ricky_clarkson: the cd-writing howto |
| 17:39.33 | treestone | Bac9: sendmail used to use it I believe. I don't really know. I only notice irc usage now. |
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| 17:40.02 | flawd | I try to download the sarge cd with jigdo and I enter for debian mirror "http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/" and I get "jigdotemplates/sarge-i386-1.template does not exist!" |
| 17:40.07 | greycat | some MTAs may ask for ident when you connect to them, but if you don't answer, they just ignore it. |
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| 17:40.14 | greycat | any MTA that *requires* ident is broken. |
| 17:40.26 | Bac9 | treestone: I prefer exim so I guess I am safe then, right? |
| 17:40.27 | fusQuanto | greycat do you have any idea what i can do to let me fsck or create new journal entries |
| 17:40.48 | asg | Bac9: it also uses ident but can be configured not to (or to use a smaller timeout) |
| 17:40.53 | Bac9 | greycat: I already block it at firewall so it's only a question of will anything inside break |
| 17:41.09 | greycat | Bac9: of course not. |
| 17:41.36 | greycat | fusQuanto: no idea. hope your backups are recent. |
| 17:41.42 | treestone | Bac9: They won't require ident because using ident is meant to help you as a sysadm on your site, if a user at your site connects to another site then that site's admin could send you back the ident information provided from your system. To help you identify your user. Ident does nothing for the server you connect to. |
| 17:41.53 | Bac9 | greycat: k, thanx... (these are all remnants of default debian install that I've now gotten around to cleaning up a tad) |
| 17:42.24 | Bac9 | treestone: oh, didn't know that's was its use, thanx |
| 17:42.32 | flawd | it works now |
| 17:42.37 | ricky_clarkson | So cdrecord is good for writing audio CDs then? |
| 17:42.54 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I like it |
| 17:43.15 | greycat | "faq disappear" is only tangentially related |
| 17:43.18 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 17:43.40 | fusQuanto | treestone where do i go from here :( this cant be hte end of hte road :( |
| 17:43.46 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, alot of my friends like k3b |
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| 17:44.16 | ruzbeh | when or where during the installation do i choose to go stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 17:44.40 | mrhemlock | ruzbeh, you choose on install |
| 17:44.50 | treestone | fusQuanto: One thing: When you did 'testdisk', did it identify an ext3 partition? And if so, would it list the files? |
| 17:44.53 | PerfDave | ruzbeh: You download the Stable installer or the Testing installer. You don't use unstable. |
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| 17:45.07 | ruzbeh | PerfDave, i used debootstrap |
| 17:45.09 | ricky_clarkson | asg: That is a huge man page with examples that aren't close to what I want. |
| 17:45.14 | mrhemlock | ruzbeh, you can always upgrade, down grade isn't reccommended or doable |
| 17:45.29 | asg | ricky_clarkson: what do you want to do? |
| 17:45.34 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I have an XMMS playlist. I want to write everything in it to CDs. |
| 17:45.52 | fusQuanto | treestone ok running test disk again |
| 17:46.26 | quiet | ricky_clarkson, a playlist is just a list fo songs |
| 17:46.28 | fusQuanto | treestone it doesnt realy say in the list, it just says "Linux" for tha tfile type so i guess thats good? |
| 17:46.30 | asg | ricky_clarkson: some variation of http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html#ss3.2 (the for loop bit) should suffice after modification |
| 17:46.31 | quiet | it's not the actual songs |
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| 17:47.08 | ricky_clarkson | asg: The songs are in .ogg format. |
| 17:47.12 | treestone | fusQuanto: Hm, I remember being able to list files.. I can't find that now when running testdisk locally. I may remember another tool. |
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| 17:47.34 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, I have to convert to wav first. |
| 17:47.35 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: so you need to grab the .ogg files, decode them (ogg123), then burn them (cdrecord) |
| 17:47.41 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: k3b can burn Ogg Vorbis files to audio CD automagically. |
| 17:47.49 | greycat | or that. |
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| 17:48.11 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: And if k3b can't load xmms playlists, file a wishlist bug ;) |
| 17:48.12 | quiet | apache is running on my computer.. i can access it with http://localhost but not by accessing the IP address from another computer? |
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| 17:48.52 | asg | quiet: is apache listening on an ip besides localhost? |
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| 17:49.00 | BadMan | quiet tried jsut suing the "computer" name |
| 17:49.11 | quiet | nevermind it works now.. I don't know what happened |
| 17:49.25 | ricky_clarkson | grep -v "#" /home/ricky/playlist.m3u gets rid of the comments in the file. |
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| 17:50.27 | quiet | I tried to access it from remote and it didn't work, so i did localhost and it worked, so i tried remote again and it worked... |
| 17:50.27 | flawd | anyone who runs sarge and has cedega installed? |
| 17:50.27 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:50.27 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:50.27 | ricky_clarkson | for entry in `grep -v "#" /home/ricky/playlist.m3u `; do echo $entry; done |
| 17:50.27 | ricky_clarkson | gets the spaces wrong. |
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| 17:50.43 | flawd | greycat, what do you mean by that? |
| 17:50.47 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:50.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 17:51.15 | zimnyx | has debian some tool for tweaking up ps2 bus frequency? |
| 17:51.17 | flawd | hmm that was cryptic |
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| 17:51.43 | ricky_clarkson | flawd: Imagine you found somebody with the requirements you mentioned, now ask that imaginary person your question. In #debian. |
| 17:52.17 | flawd | I just want to know how cedega runs on sarge |
| 17:52.30 | ricky_clarkson | flawd: http://bugs.debian.org/cedega |
| 17:52.31 | greycat | um... orangely. |
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| 17:53.00 | valdyn_ | flawd: cedega doesnt really care about the distro it runs on |
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| 17:53.09 | Kiowas | hello |
| 17:53.31 | ricky_clarkson | "There is no record of the cedega package, and no bugs have been filed against it." |
| 17:53.42 | Kiowas | when I try to run xmms it gives me the error: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:53.42 | Kiowas | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 17:53.43 | ricky_clarkson | Heh, that's lucky. Imagine if there were bugs filed against it. |
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| 17:54.19 | fusQuanto | can someone help: i do a 'file -s /dev/hde1' and it says ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery), so i do a tune2fs -j /dev/hde1 and it says couldnt find a valid filesystem superblock. so i did a fsck.ext3 /dev/hde1 and it says "filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/hde1" or corrupt superblock, try e2fsck -b 8193 <device> , so i did that command and it gives me the exact same error |
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| 17:54.30 | muaddib | question in recards to a Volume Manager . Does it make sense to have multiple path partitions. I.E if I have a machine with 4 hard drives and I do mirroring between the 2. When I am ready to mount partitions on them does it make sense to seperate them logically i.e /usr on mirror1 /var on mirror2 or have everything under one path |
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| 17:54.35 | greycat | Kiowas: file a bug report against libc6 |
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| 17:55.08 | treestone | Kiowas: Do you even have libmikmod2 installed? apt-get install |
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| 17:55.24 | greycat | if that fixes his libc6 assertion, it's by coincidence. |
| 17:55.43 | treestone | greycat: Yeah, that message sounds like bug report matter in any case |
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| 17:56.15 | Kiowas | treestone, actually, it was not installed. I thought installing xmms would install all of its dependencies, I thought that was part of the point of apt-get |
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| 17:56.20 | Kiowas | well, thanks |
| 17:56.32 | ricky_clarkson | How can I loop through the lines of a file one by one in bash? |
| 17:56.42 | flawd | thank you |
| 17:56.47 | valdyn_ | Kiowas: xmms runs fine w/o being able to play mp3 |
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| 17:57.04 | Bac9 | anyone know why sshd needs to listen on 127.0.0.1:6011? |
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| 17:57.13 | treestone | Kiowas: libmikmod2 is in the recommends, not depends, of xmms. I don't use it much but it could be that it depends on your settings in xmms if it tries to use it (link it dynamically) or not. |
| 17:57.14 | greycat | Kiowas: mikmod isn't a dependency because xmms *can* run without it. |
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| 17:57.27 | Kiowas | greycat, how? if you type xmms it gives you that error |
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| 17:57.34 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, for i in `cat list`; do echo $i; done |
| 17:57.42 | Kiowas | greycat, you have to give it some command line to argument to start properly without it? |
| 17:58.05 | asuffield | FUCK'S SAKE |
| 17:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | mrhemlock: That breaks at spaces. |
| 17:58.11 | treestone | Kiowas: ldd `which xmms` shouldn't show libmikmod2 |
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| 17:58.43 | ricky_clarkson | Well if I don't get an answer I'll have to use sed to add quotes at the beginning and end of every line. |
| 17:58.43 | asuffield | (while read line; do whatever; done) < file |
| 17:58.44 | fusQuanto | treestone do you know who else in this chan i could ask for my probs? |
| 17:58.53 | witless | i could really use some help tracking down the cause of machine lock-ups. it usually happens when there's heavy I/O - disk, network, etc... any suggestions? |
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| 17:59.02 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, for i in `cat list`; do echo '$'i; done |
| 17:59.02 | Kiowas | treestone, well, I installed it now and it works. but before I installed libmikmod2 it would not even start up. it would give the error I told you |
| 17:59.16 | greycat | mrhemlock: /j #bash |
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| 17:59.17 | asuffield | drop the () if you don't want a shell |
| 17:59.22 | treestone | fusQuanto: Sorry, I don't know about anyone. They would be watching the channel in any case. |
| 17:59.29 | adjacent | where do i find the arp cache timeout value? im sure its in proc, but recursively grepping /proc on this machine has been going for an hour with out matching anything... |
| 17:59.39 | fusQuanto | treestone maybe htey're not here or sleeping :( is rahul still around ? |
| 17:59.48 | ricky_clarkson | mrhemlock: That'll give me 100 '$i's, literally. |
| 17:59.56 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Thanks, that works great. |
| 18:00.15 | quiet | how do i release a dhcp and then poll for a new one?? |
| 18:00.22 | greycat | quiet: why? |
| 18:00.29 | asuffield | whatever you're doing, cat is almost certainly the WRONG tool for the job |
| 18:00.31 | greycat | quiet: what evil deed are you trying to cover up? |
| 18:00.43 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, yes, but try your self and see |
| 18:00.50 | quiet | no no... i just got a dhcp with the same IP as a network printer |
| 18:00.52 | greycat | !wayttd mrhemlock |
| 18:00.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mrhemlock? |
| 18:01.00 | greycat | quiet: then fix the dhcp server. |
| 18:01.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: he's trying to answer my question. |
| 18:01.05 | greycat | quiet: or fix the printer. whichever one's wrong. |
| 18:01.13 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: is he succeeding? |
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| 18:01.17 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Converting a playlist of .ogg files into .wav or .cdr or something for burning to a CD. |
| 18:01.25 | shadow98 | hey guys im looking at my arp table on my firewall...anybody have an idea what this might be 9.30.10.130 * * MP eth1 |
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| 18:01.49 | treestone | quiet: <your-dhcp-tool> eth0 |
| 18:01.52 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: He's *trying*. ;) |
| 18:02.08 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: while read ogg; do ogg123 -d wav -f "${ogg%.ogg}.wav" "$ogg"; done < myplaylist |
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| 18:02.22 | treestone | quiet: Or better ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 (presumably) |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: untested. |
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| 18:03.05 | muaddib | If I am using a Volume Manager to layout my disk does it make since to have multiple mount points or one mount point |
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| 18:03.20 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Also got to strip out the lines starting with # |
| 18:03.21 | mindframe | does anyone here know if there is a debian package that includes the "msgfmt" binary? |
| 18:03.34 | quiet | where d i set my host name at? |
| 18:03.34 | treestone | muaddib: Do you mean 'partitions' not 'mount points' by any chance? |
| 18:03.34 | nvz | mindframe: packages.debian.org, would |
| 18:03.46 | mindframe | nvz: it didnt show anything :( |
| 18:03.50 | ricky_clarkson | grep -v "#" playlist.m3u | while read ogg; do echo ogg123 -d wav -f "${ogg%.ogg}.wav" "$ogg"; done |
| 18:03.51 | flawd | I try to download the sarge cd with jigdo and I enter for debian mirror "http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/" and I get "jigdotemplates/sarge-i386-1.template does not exist!" |
| 18:04.04 | flawd | bah bbl sorry for that last q ignore it |
| 18:04.11 | fusQuanto | treestone do you know what else i can do with testdisk? |
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| 18:04.20 | zyv | hi everyone !! |
| 18:04.24 | zyv | it's there any software in linux to edit videos, you know ... easy video soft to cut & paste, add sound or apply filters like in gimp ... |
| 18:04.27 | quiet | where can i change my hostname? |
| 18:04.36 | asg | quiet: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 18:04.36 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: And how about putting them into one directory? |
| 18:04.41 | zyv | typing hostname in root quiet |
| 18:04.50 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /j #bash |
| 18:04.57 | asuffield | I would have used `basename $ogg .ogg`.wav |
| 18:05.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I can do that later with a find command, there's no other wavs in there. |
| 18:05.29 | greycat | asuffield: since he wants them in another place, basename may end up getting used in any case |
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| 18:05.35 | muaddib | treestone: I mean mount points and the reason why I say that is in regards to the VM all the disk can be group into one virtual disk or many virtual disk mapping the disk to the mount point. So ultimately in regards to my questions in regards to performance does it make sense to have one big virtual disk or many virtual disk to address performance if you are using a Volume Manager |
| 18:05.38 | treestone | fusQuanto: I have only used it for a couple of things, and that may be its limit: One: Re-creating an overwritten partition when it (and the first partition) was overwritten, and two: Figure out where a partition in a totally screwed up disk used to start, then dd'ing it over the network so I could loopback-mount it as a filesystem. |
| 18:05.39 | greycat | but probably in the original sense, with only one argument |
| 18:05.58 | nvz | mindframe: then the answer is no, its not in debian. check apt-get.org its an unofficial package repository search |
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| 18:06.12 | zyv | it's there any software in linux to edit videos, you know ... easy video soft to cut & paste, add sound or apply filters like in gimp ... |
| 18:06.20 | fusQuanto | treestone i dont know where to go from here, the HD is still in warranty but it doesnt seem to have completely crashed? i donno... |
| 18:06.36 | treestone | muaddib: I've used volume managers on irix, aix and linux but I didn't understand a word of that, sorry. |
| 18:06.57 | treestone | fusQuanto: It's a bit difficult to analyze remotely, I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help :-( |
| 18:07.04 | nvz | zyv: linuxvideostudio |
| 18:07.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Ok, later, can I do find /tmp/My\ Music -name \*.wav -exec cp {} somedirectory \; - do you think? |
| 18:07.18 | fusQuanto | treestone donno if i should format and reinstall and risk crashing again |
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| 18:07.37 | ricky_clarkson | or mv actually. |
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| 18:07.48 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: that's one way. not the one I'd use, but it might work. |
| 18:08.03 | fusQuanto | treestone the LVM partitions is where the data is, how do i get to those |
| 18:08.03 | treestone | fusQuanto: If you have a network and another computer you could at least maybe 'dd' your disk or selected partitions to another place and look at it later. |
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| 18:08.20 | zyv | lets see nvz |
| 18:08.22 | stew | ricky_clarkson: find /tmp/My\ Music -name \*.wav -print0 | xargs -0 cp --target-directory somedirectory |
| 18:08.36 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Why? |
| 18:08.38 | Kensey | I seem to be having issues accessing any of the debian mirrors. |
| 18:08.38 | greycat | stew: interesting GNUism. |
| 18:08.43 | muaddib | treestone: Say you have 4 physical hard drives. In the Volume Manager you create one virutal disk. Then in the OS level you take that virtual disk and make one physical parition for your OS. My questions is in regards to performance does it make sense to have multiple parition of that virtual disk |
| 18:08.45 | treestone | fusQuanto: It should be possible to recover those, but I haven't re-created metadata for a Linux LVM so I don't know how. Done it on AIX though. |
| 18:08.50 | nvz | zyv: you, do that. I am leaving :P I just wanted to mount this cd and see if the song I wanted to hear was on it, before I left |
| 18:09.31 | stew | ricky_clarkson: so you don't have to worry about spaces, oh i guess yours should handle spaces ok, guess i just like xargs |
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| 18:09.50 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: actually, a better approach altogether might be something like: i=1; while read ogg; do ogg123 -d wav -f $(printf %02d $i).wav "$ogg"; let i++; done < myplaylist |
| 18:10.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: that will make 01.wav, 02.wav, 03.wav, etc. |
| 18:10.08 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Can you get a command that records the CD into that too? ;) |
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| 18:10.25 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Why would the filenames matter? |
| 18:10.28 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: the rest is trivial. man cdrecord |
| 18:10.34 | treestone | muaddib: I don't know how LVM would lay out the physical sectors in that case, so I can't answer your question. However, when using LVM you'll get lower performance compared to writing directly to a partition, not taking into account any striping. |
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| 18:10.34 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh, I see, to maintain order. |
| 18:10.36 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: so that you can just throw a *.wav on the cdrecord. |
| 18:10.41 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, I don't care about the order. |
| 18:10.49 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: well then it's a bonus. |
| 18:10.57 | ricky_clarkson | In fact I'd probably *like* randomness. |
| 18:10.58 | nvz | heh |
| 18:11.20 | greycat | there really SHOULD be a unix command that reads a file and emits them in random order. |
| 18:11.26 | greycat | s/them/the lines/ |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | that would be so incredibly useful |
| 18:11.45 | asg | greycat: I thought there was one |
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| 18:11.52 | ricky_clarkson | Nah, slurping is against UNIX philosophy, isn't it? |
| 18:11.54 | treestone | greycat: Me too. |
| 18:11.57 | Kensey | Why have the mirrors gone blank? I see package dependency files, but no packages. |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | asg: none that I know of, unless you write one yourself with various trickery |
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| 18:12.10 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: tac |
| 18:12.19 | Kensey | won't sort do that? |
| 18:12.29 | ricky_clarkson | sort --jumble? ;) |
| 18:12.40 | nvz | I need one (thought not this minute as I am leaving) that will perform an action like sort -u or uniq, sorting whole lines of a file, by just a certain field. |
| 18:12.40 | asg | !info randomize-lines |
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| 18:12.46 | dpkg | randomize-lines: (Randomize lines of input text), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 18:13.12 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 18:13.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: asg. |
| 18:13.14 | greycat | it needs to be *in* something, like coreutils or bsdgames |
| 18:13.18 | pwned | bah. I followed kp instructions and got an error during compile. |
| 18:13.19 | asg | greycat: agreed |
| 18:13.32 | greycat | bsdgames would be a great place, I'd think, except that it's apparently not bsd. |
| 18:13.38 | Spec | gah, why can't debian run on my stove? I want to use debian to make pancakes. |
| 18:13.52 | greycat | Spec: overclock your cpu some more. |
| 18:13.57 | Spec | hehehe |
| 18:13.57 | asg | Spec: was your stove made after 2002? |
| 18:14.03 | mdke | heh |
| 18:14.03 | Spec | hmm, maybe |
| 18:14.12 | nvz | you would have to swirl the syryp on them like little debian logos |
| 18:14.21 | Spec | or get a robot to do it for me |
| 18:14.22 | greycat | !nvz++ |
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| 18:14.40 | asg | nvz: you said it. Now you get to take the picture. |
| 18:14.48 | Spec | Then, late at night when someone asks me what I'm doing, I can respond, "I'm recompiling my oven's kernel." |
| 18:14.56 | treestone | nvz: Isn't sort --key for that purpose? |
| 18:15.02 | asg | Spec: ask the debian-stove-porters list |
| 18:15.04 | dumbo | hi, i have two hd's mirrored. for some reason when i run grub and try to find /boot/grup/strage1 i only see the first hd0. ideas why i can't see the second hd? |
| 18:15.08 | Kensey | so who do I ask about apparent mirror brokenness? |
| 18:15.14 | greycat | I see no --key in woody's sort(1) |
| 18:15.15 | Spec | I don't believe there's such a list, I just can't believe it, asg :p |
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| 18:15.25 | nvz | treestone: probably. I am going to actually sit down and care about it later.. I am just trying to get my cd player to turn on, then I am out the door |
| 18:15.28 | greycat | ah, synonym for -k in sarge's. |
| 18:15.28 | pwned | CC [M] drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134-dvb.o drivers/media/video\saa7134/saa7134-dvb.c:56: In function `dvb_init': error: too few arguments to function videobuf_dvb_register' |
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| 18:15.33 | treestone | Right, -k |
| 18:15.37 | Kensey | Spec: this is Linux. No hardware is too daft to support. |
| 18:15.41 | pwned | I guess I will have to fix that by hand as well. |
| 18:15.50 | asg | Spec: NetBSD may be already there |
| 18:16.00 | nvz | damn thing, will not turn on |
| 18:16.00 | Spec | I don't wanna run NetBSD on my stove |
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| 18:16.48 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good mp3 player i have xmms after a apt-get upgrade its nto working for some reason ??? |
| 18:16.53 | ricky_clarkson | asg: cdrecord -v dev=2,0 *.wav ? |
| 18:16.57 | nvz | heh |
| 18:16.57 | Spec | a good mp3 player = xmms |
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| 18:17.05 | pwned | pff. Why do they release faulty kernels anyway |
| 18:17.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cdrecord -scanbus (to find the dev) |
| 18:17.29 | Kensey | tree: there's RFCs for smoke signal and tank-formation transmission as well |
| 18:17.50 | Kensey | data transmission that is |
| 18:17.51 | asg | treestone: rfc1149 |
| 18:17.52 | ricky_clarkson | asg: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 18:18.19 | asg | ricky_clarkson: try cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus |
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| 18:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.52 | GooZ | XDDD |
| 18:18.53 | fusQuanto | treestone i got it to list files |
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| 18:19.10 | asg | ricky_clarkson: then it would be dev=1,0,0 |
| 18:19.13 | treestone | fusQuanto: Maybe there is hope then? |
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| 18:19.21 | fusQuanto | treestone i did the search deeply thing in testdisk, it says EXT3 sparse superblock backup superblock |
| 18:19.28 | fusQuanto | and i hit enter |
| 18:19.33 | fusQuanto | and like it just throws me back to where i started |
| 18:19.46 | treestone | Right: http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 18:19.58 | asg | treestone: no need, I have a printout on my office door |
| 18:20.39 | suifur | Does the sarge installer support internet connections via USB? |
| 18:20.44 | ricky_clarkson | asg: cdrecord -v dev=1,0,0 *.wav - cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 18:20.49 | treestone | fusQuanto: I think that backup superblock is meant for recovery, but I've never tried that -- I don't know if it actually works or how it's best handled. |
| 18:20.57 | asg | ricky_clarkson: sorry dev=ATA:1,0,0 |
| 18:21.04 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Do I need to specify ATA and 1,0.. ahhh ;) |
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| 18:21.24 | ricky_clarkson | cdrecord: No write mode specified. cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode. - is that ok? |
| 18:21.37 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 18:21.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: make sure you have -nofix on the end though |
| 18:22.00 | asg | ricky_clarkson: oh, you're doing *.wav, nevermind |
| 18:23.04 | ricky_clarkson | I need to burn only the first N of *.wav |
| 18:23.08 | ricky_clarkson | Can I pass them to stdin? |
| 18:23.13 | treestone | Round trip time appears to be quite high when you use avian carriers.. |
| 18:23.29 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cdrecord accepts a list of filenames so I expect so |
| 18:23.36 | fusQuanto | treestone if i can list hte files in hde1 that must be a good right |
| 18:23.37 | asg | treestone: yes |
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| 18:23.43 | ricky_clarkson | Only one track may be taken |
| 18:23.43 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.00 | asg | treestone: and retrans is a bitch if they stop and the cats eat them. |
| 18:24.10 | starshine | Kensey: is mirrors.kernel.org a happy mirror for you? |
| 18:24.14 | treestone | fusQuanto: I would think so. Now it's just to figure out how to continue |
| 18:24.19 | asg | ricky_clarkson: as in a data stream on stdin, it should accept N filenames though |
| 18:24.32 | Kensey | nope, it's not. |
| 18:24.34 | treestone | asg: Yeah, as we all know TCP doesn't like too many lost packets... |
| 18:24.36 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Oh, so it won't try to write out my filenames as music data ;) |
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| 18:24.48 | starshine | Kensey: where are you topologically? |
| 18:25.03 | Kensey | I'm in Washington DC. |
| 18:25.32 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cdrecord ... foo.wav bar.wav should record those two as 2 cd tracks and the fixate the disc (you can't add any more tracks) |
| 18:25.38 | starshine | Kensey: might simply be timeout then, mirrors.kernel.org is US west coast, silicon valley... |
| 18:25.41 | treestone | asg: 55% packet loss! Looks like that cat to me.... |
| 18:25.49 | asg | ricky_clarkson: if you want to and 1 at a time, you need the -nofix the param |
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| 18:25.56 | asg | treestone: or the farmers |
| 18:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yes, but I don't know how many will fit so I want to start at many and go down until I find a number that works. |
| 18:26.32 | Kensey | starshine: nope, I just hot it from a box in CA and I see the exact same thing. |
| 18:26.44 | asg | ricky_clarkson: okay, then use the -nofix option. You'll have to manually fixate when you are done. (cdrecord ... -fix) |
| 18:26.56 | Kensey | can you see packages in debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 on any mirror? |
| 18:26.59 | starshine | Kensey: describe your "broken" symptom? |
| 18:27.05 | treestone | asg: The other station was across the mountains according to http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/vegard_bilder/tn/26view.jpg.html so it could be an eagle.. |
| 18:27.27 | asg | treestone: true, rogue packets |
| 18:27.33 | treestone | lol! |
| 18:27.37 | Kensey | I see Packages, Packages.bz2, Packages.gz, and Release. That's it, no package files |
| 18:27.46 | starshine | Kensey: I'm checking. I'm very close to m.k.o so.. |
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| 18:28.37 | dumbo | anyone? |
| 18:28.41 | bodq | "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/:" what a hell is that? intentional sabotage to screw up windoze users ? |
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| 18:29.04 | ricky_clarkson | asg: woot, writing. |
| 18:29.05 | starshine | Kensey: you're correct, I see a 13M Packages file and no .deb's for it to point at |
| 18:29.09 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cool |
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| 18:29.26 | ricky_clarkson | asg: With a CD-RW could I fuck things up completely then undo all the fuckups? |
| 18:29.26 | StucKman | hi all |
| 18:29.34 | Kensey | yep. I'm getting that on every tree on every mirror I try |
| 18:29.34 | StucKman | (the 802 of you :) |
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| 18:29.52 | asg | ricky_clarkson: should be able to. I've never had a +rw before so don't quote me on that. |
| 18:29.54 | StucKman | I'm confused about mod*utils |
| 18:29.55 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Shame I'm using a CD-R then, isn't it? ;) |
| 18:29.58 | Kensey | at least in main/binary-i386 under them. |
| 18:30.11 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ah, you can never have too many beverage coasters ;) |
| 18:30.14 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 18:30.23 | starshine | Kensey: testing also appears to be unhappy |
| 18:30.26 | ricky_clarkson | I'll send them to AOL, they can rebadge the CD. Nobody will notice. |
| 18:30.33 | Kensey | stable is unhappy too. |
| 18:30.41 | StucKman | reading the respective desctiptions, I gather that modutils is for kernels 2.4.x and module-init-tools is for 2.6.x ones.... is thi right? |
| 18:30.53 | treestone | Shit, that was meant to be /away, not /me. sorry. |
| 18:31.22 | shadow98 | just wonering if anyone could clue me in on what this might be found it in the arp tables on my firewall... 9.30.10.130 * * MP eth1 |
| 18:31.50 | starshine | suifur: yes, and you can have both installed at the same time. |
| 18:32.05 | starshine | er |
| 18:32.19 | starshine | StucKman: yes, and you can have both installed at the same time. |
| 18:32.57 | StucKman | starshine: ok, but is that the usage? |
| 18:33.03 | ricky_clarkson | asg: With any luck I'll use this CD for teaching salsa with, in 90 minutes. |
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| 18:33.11 | yoo | Somebody understand that : dpkg: erreur d'analyse syntaxique, dans le fichier « /var/lib/dpkg/available » |
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| 18:33.17 | yoo | when i use dpkg |
| 18:33.21 | asg | ricky_clarkson: rock on |
| 18:33.24 | ricky_clarkson | yoo: Syntax fuckup in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 18:33.40 | yoo | ok |
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| 18:33.52 | yoo | but how to resolve this |
| 18:33.56 | ricky_clarkson | All translations from French to English should have the word "fuckup" in them. |
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| 18:34.02 | asg | yoo: /msg dpkg available |
| 18:34.06 | yoo | :) |
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| 18:34.10 | yoo | thx |
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| 18:34.10 | asg | ricky_clarkson: hah |
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| 18:35.16 | Alexxx | Wuz?up people! |
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| 18:35.58 | starshine | argh |
| 18:36.01 | starshine | I'm too slow |
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| 18:37.07 | DebianTestr | how do you get sed to remove all single : from a line? It only removes the first one |
| 18:37.34 | ricky_clarkson | asg: The CD works great, thanks for your patience. |
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| 18:38.02 | gerardocb | DebianTestr: sed 's/://g' |
| 18:38.09 | gerardocb | DebianTestr: g = global |
| 18:38.16 | DebianTestr | ahh |
| 18:38.26 | DebianTestr | I was piping it through sed again |
| 18:38.29 | DebianTestr | lol |
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| 18:38.35 | gerardocb | hehehe |
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| 18:39.31 | Belkelel | can someone tell me what this means (when starting x it shows the nvidia pic and then shut x down...): font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 ? |
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| 18:40.58 | starshine | Belkelel: ooh I've seen that, .pcf are the "fixed" font sizes, the old rasterbits like cursors. but I don't think that's why you're slamming shut. check the X log. |
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| 18:41.46 | greycat | that has to be the worst BX quit msg ever. |
| 18:41.58 | greycat | and that's really saying something |
| 18:42.04 | Belkelel | there's also: Type "ONE-Level" has 1 levels but <RALT> has 2 symbols and ... one moment so much papers here ;) |
| 18:42.18 | karamelos | How to get my network card initialized if I plug its jack after booting? |
| 18:42.22 | starshine | greycat: if he's in debian's bitchx this could be fixed... :) |
| 18:42.29 | greycat | karamelos: ifup <interfacename> |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | starshine: bitchx can't be fixed. it needs to be purged. |
| 18:42.48 | karamelos | thx greycat |
| 18:43.02 | starshine | greycat: apt-get install lart :) |
| 18:43.20 | Belkelel | symbol __glxMalloc from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore. a is unresolved (this also with glXFree and glXActiveScreens) |
| 18:43.25 | directhex | debian's bitchx has been removed from sarge, so... |
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| 18:43.41 | directhex | Belkelel, how did you install nvidia? |
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| 18:43.56 | astronut | is the stuff in /etc/security/ read by default or will I have to set some startup program to read them? |
| 18:44.12 | pwned | removed from sarge? was that two years ago? |
| 18:44.14 | astronut | and if the first, what do i do if i update any settings tehre? |
| 18:44.19 | Belkelel | runlevel 3, sh <driver> ... |
| 18:44.29 | directhex | pwned, i don't know, but good riddance |
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| 18:44.41 | Niriven|Class | is gnome 2.10 in unstable? |
| 18:44.46 | Niriven|Class | oops |
| 18:44.47 | directhex | ladies! gentlemen! gather round, and witness the effects of nvidia-installer upon debian |
| 18:44.49 | Niriven|Class | sorry, just saw the topic |
| 18:44.55 | CondorMan | So I realize that there are several options in Linux to chat with others using the "MSN" or "Yahoo" protocol. Is there a way to do webcam, both for receiving video and sending video? |
| 18:45.16 | directhex | marvel at the complete brokenness of it all, thanks entirely to "well the nvidia.com driver always worked for me" |
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| 18:45.26 | directhex | roll up, roll up, see the car wreck! |
| 18:45.28 | Xer | hi |
| 18:45.29 | pwned | but it did! |
| 18:45.31 | Xer | how to use mklivecd? |
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| 18:46.18 | astronut | wait, nvidia released an updated driver? |
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| 18:46.37 | stew | Xer: what is mklivecd? what version of debian are you runnning? |
| 18:46.38 | pwned | last week or so nvidia updated their IA 32 driver |
| 18:46.40 | directhex | astronut, 71xx, about a week ago |
| 18:46.47 | FromTO | where do I change permissions for automatic usb mounts? the external drive is mounted as read only for users |
| 18:46.49 | directhex | pwned, and amd64, and freebsd |
| 18:46.54 | astronut | directhex: dang, didn't realize that |
| 18:46.57 | pwned | I like giving incomplete info |
| 18:47.00 | Xer | 3 |
| 18:47.03 | Xer | im runing 3 |
| 18:47.09 | starshine | CondorMan: apt-get install ayttm |
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| 18:47.14 | Xer | and mklive 0.2 |
| 18:47.48 | CondorMan | thanks people :) |
| 18:47.48 | stew | what is mklive? |
| 18:48.07 | pwned | will I get another error? *next episode* |
| 18:48.11 | directhex | Belkelel, sounds like the rot has set in deep. you _MAY_ be able to resurrect your system by apt-get install --force-depends --reinstall x-window-system, and changing back to the nv/vesa driver rather than nvidia. subsequently, you can install the nvidia driver the debian way |
| 18:48.13 | Xer | mklivecd |
| 18:48.14 | Xer | :) |
| 18:48.19 | Xer | sorry i was talking to sameone |
| 18:48.20 | Xer | :) |
| 18:48.20 | stew | !info mklivecd woody |
| 18:48.35 | SiLENTB0B | What is a good burning software to burn dvd iso images, and dvd file data with gnome? |
| 18:48.39 | stew | -> <dpkg> Package 'mklivecd' does not exist. |
| 18:48.48 | Belkelel | i reinstalled x and changed the driver to vesa but it still didn't work |
| 18:49.10 | XerDaNazie | ha? |
| 18:49.12 | directhex | Belkelel, that's because nvidia-installer has fucked your system in the ass, and possibly gfiven it AIDS |
| 18:49.19 | dmp_ | haha |
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| 18:49.23 | XerDaNazie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.23 | XerDaNazie | Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... |
| 18:49.23 | XerDaNazie | Try `grep --help' for more information. |
| 18:49.24 | XerDaNazie | Don't use an separate installation partition |
| 18:49.24 | XerDaNazie | Is this what you want (Yes/no)? |
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| 18:49.25 | dmp_ | non-free-hardware-- |
| 18:49.26 | Belkelel | it also made a lot of )&//&%/& with my xf68conf-4 so it didn't started, but i repared that |
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| 18:50.16 | directhex | non-free hardware is fine, if you install the drivers properly |
| 18:50.24 | fusQuanto | can someone help: i do a 'file -s /dev/hde1' and it says ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery), so i do a tune2fs -j /dev/hde1 and it says couldnt find a valid filesystem superblock. so i did a fsck.ext3 /dev/hde1 and it says "filesystem revision too high while trying to open /dev/hde1" or corrupt superblock, try e2fsck -b 8193 <device> , so i did that command and it gives me the exact same error |
| 18:50.28 | directhex | nvidia-installer is not properly, nvidia-installer is death on all but slackware |
| 18:50.34 | CxZA | What is going on right now with proftpd-mysql? . I just installed the packget proftpd-mysql and set the SQLinfo in but its still using PAM authentication mothod?... I dont understand this.. |
| 18:50.41 | redduck666 | is there any open-source alternative to macromedia flash player |
| 18:50.41 | dmp_ | directhex: I disagree. |
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| 18:50.54 | astronut | if i modified /etc/security/limits.conf how do i update to make that change active? |
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| 18:51.00 | directhex | redduck666, none that will play flash animations in your web browser |
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| 18:51.24 | DebianTestr | does sed have to read from a file? can't you feed it a string? |
| 18:51.32 | dmp_ | sure |
| 18:51.41 | dmp_ | echo "HELLO" | sed s/HEL/LEH//g |
| 18:51.42 | redduck666 | directhex, :( thanks |
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| 18:51.55 | XerDaNazie | !!! |
| 18:51.55 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 18:52.01 | XerDaNazie | where is the fucking auto join |
| 18:52.04 | XerDaNazie | in xchat!!! |
| 18:52.11 | dmp_ | XerDaNazie: I'm sorry? |
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| 18:52.18 | directhex | XerDaNazie, in the channel configuration? |
| 18:52.18 | pwned | g fucking reat. "internal compiler error - Segfault" for sound/core/rawmidi.c =| |
| 18:52.24 | directhex | redduck666, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:52.32 | XerDaNazie | ok |
| 18:52.34 | directhex | pwned, you overclocked? |
| 18:52.37 | XerDaNazie | now how to use x-chat? |
| 18:52.40 | XerDaNazie | i mean mklivecd |
| 18:52.40 | pwned | directhex, not that I know of |
| 18:52.41 | XerDaNazie | ;) |
| 18:53.02 | directhex | read the damned docs. |
| 18:53.26 | XerDaNazie | i didnt find |
| 18:53.28 | XerDaNazie | it when i use |
| 18:53.29 | redduck666 | directhex, it is already installed on my system, i only wanted to make my linux box 'cleaner' |
| 18:53.36 | Belkelel | hmm could i use this situation to install x.org and then install an older version of the driver? (in the documentation i read stands that an working xfree with nvidia-driver is needed but i don't know if this's right) |
| 18:53.36 | XerDaNazie | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:53.37 | XerDaNazie | :\ |
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| 18:53.45 | XerDaNazie | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:53.49 | XerDaNazie | coool |
| 18:53.52 | XerDaNazie | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:53.53 | Drim | when i tried to configure my wireless network, i have this error : iwconfig eth1 key 2222 |
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| 18:54.08 | XerDaNazie | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:54.09 | directhex | Belkelel, no. your problem comes from your use of nvidia-installer, trying to install xorg will only make things worse |
| 18:54.13 | Drim | when i tried to configure my wireless network, i have this error : iwconfig eth1 key 2222... SET failed oon device eth1 ; operation not supported |
| 18:54.24 | takatumi | XerDaNazie: are you on crack? |
| 18:54.31 | Nazie | yeah |
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| 18:54.54 | Belkelel | and could it work with an older version of the driver or with an "handmade" .deb ? |
| 18:55.21 | Nazie | bootcdwrite <<<-- is this for livecd ? |
| 18:55.26 | greycat | Nazie: why are you flooding the channel with dpkg -i flie.deb? |
| 18:55.31 | directhex | Belkelel, why are you hand-making .deb files? debian provides nvidia 3d driver packages. your problems and errors are caused by your use of nvidia-installer |
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| 18:55.49 | shadow98 | could someone please clue me in on what this funky address might be that is showing up in my arp table... Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface |
| 18:55.49 | shadow98 | 69-164-136-1.ironoh.ade ether 00:D0:88:04:95:FA C eth0 |
| 18:55.49 | shadow98 | 10.30.10.2 ether 00:50:8D:F1:61:9E C eth1 |
| 18:55.49 | shadow98 | 9.30.10.130 * * MP eth1 |
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| 18:55.54 | Nazie | becoz |
| 18:55.58 | directhex | christ, it's tardageddon >_< |
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| 18:56.00 | Nazie | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 18:56.02 | shadow98 | shit |
| 18:56.03 | Nazie | i get this |
| 18:56.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 18:56.06 | Belkelel | hmmm oh i should visit the non-free part of the debian archive ;) |
| 18:56.07 | Nazie | * dpkg installs file.deb into nazie's nostril with a jackhammer |
| 18:56.12 | Nazie | lol! |
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| 18:56.19 | astronut | if i modified /etc/security/limits.conf how do i update to make that change active? |
| 18:56.21 | directhex | Belkelel, you should try and fix your setup so it works, first |
| 18:56.25 | edibletext | !spank Nazie |
| 18:56.28 | greycat | astronut: logout and back in, and read /etc/pam.d/* |
| 18:56.39 | shadow98 | i don't know if everyone got that but the address in question is 9.30.10.130 * * MP eth1 |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | !wikifaq astronut DotFiles |
| 18:56.46 | dpkg | astronut: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:56.54 | fusQuanto | treestone omg omg im getting somewhere |
| 18:56.59 | greycat | that's not a FULL explanation of how PAM works, but it might help a bit |
| 18:57.21 | jmki | shadow98: looks like proxy-arp entry.. No idea how that would've gotten to your arp table without you adding that |
| 18:57.27 | astronut | greycat: that's a PAM thing? |
| 18:57.32 | greycat | astronut: yes |
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| 18:57.34 | jmki | shadow98: and it's not releated to your network at all? |
| 18:57.36 | directhex | Belkelel, "nvidia-installer --uninstall && apt-get install --reinstall --force-depends x-window-system" _SHOULD_ resurrect your system. no promises. once you have a clean, functional 2d-only xfree86, with the nv driver, and no trace of nvidia-installer mess, come back. |
| 18:57.37 | DebianTestr | can someone give me a hint as to how to feed awk a string instead of a filename? |
| 18:57.43 | shadow98 | jmki: yeah im kind of worried about it.. |
| 18:57.45 | greycat | DebianTestr: echo foo | awk '...' |
| 18:57.48 | astronut | oh...is PAM enabled by default? |
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| 18:57.56 | greycat | DebianTestr: or in bash 2.05b and later (sarge), awk '...' <<< "string" |
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| 18:57.59 | shadow98 | jmki: arin.net says the address is registed to IBM |
| 18:58.03 | jmki | shadow98: weird. |
| 18:58.07 | Belkelel | yeah thanks a lot I'll try this tonight ;) |
| 18:58.09 | greycat | astronut: yes. read that URL and /etc/pam.d/* |
| 18:58.10 | DebianTestr | thanks! |
| 18:58.18 | astronut | ok |
| 18:58.44 | astronut | greycat: wiki's down ;-) |
| 18:58.46 | astronut | IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device |
| 18:58.48 | shadow98 | jmki: could it be some sort of trojan on one of my machines.. |
| 18:59.05 | shadow98 | jmki: forwarding all my arp requests to that address? |
| 18:59.15 | greycat | astronut: shit. |
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| 18:59.26 | shadow98 | jmki: like a man in the middle attack or something.. |
| 18:59.26 | astronut | greycat: heh |
| 18:59.31 | jmki | shadow98: no, it doesn't do that.. It responds to an arp request for that address on interface eth1 with your MAC |
| 18:59.36 | greycat | tarzeau: WAKE UP! |
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| 18:59.37 | astronut | brb, installing the nvidia drivers |
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| 18:59.47 | directhex | astronut, installing HOW? |
| 18:59.55 | astronut | directhex: standard installer :-P |
| 18:59.56 | bkhl | Is anyone here using ispell.el with the current testing versions of emacs21 and aspell-sv? |
| 19:00.00 | pwned | bahh maybe I should try with gcc3.4 |
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| 19:00.07 | abrotman | elbonia ? |
| 19:00.13 | DebianTestr | USER=echo $SHADOW | awk -F : '// { print $1 }' does that look ok? |
| 19:00.15 | jmki | shadow98: so if some client is asking for that address on eth1 it would send packets to your machines |
| 19:00.25 | greycat | what the fuck is USER=echo $SHADOW supposed to do? |
| 19:00.31 | directhex | christ. you make an example, and show how badly nvidia-installer spreads HIV-positive semen all over your insides, and people still slobber it down |
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| 19:00.48 | DebianTestr | echo a line from shadow and split the username out of it |
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| 19:00.49 | dmp_ | greycat: You'd be amazed the number of people who write: USER=`echo ''` |
| 19:00.52 | dmp_ | instead of USER= |
| 19:00.55 | jmki | shadow98: but can't really think what good that would be for an intruder |
| 19:00.58 | dmp_ | it's scary |
| 19:01.02 | loren | Hey, anyone tried Kubuntu yet? |
| 19:01.09 | abrotman | loren: wrong channel |
| 19:01.10 | DebianTestr | ahh |
| 19:01.15 | DebianTestr | ` executes commands |
| 19:01.17 | loren | it's debian based, oh well |
| 19:01.24 | abrotman | loren: #ubuntu |
| 19:01.26 | dmp_ | that doesnt mean it's debian |
| 19:01.31 | shadow98 | jmki: im wondering how it go in there in the first place.... |
| 19:01.33 | edibletext | !debian based |
| 19:01.33 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 19:01.34 | loren | sure, alright |
| 19:01.39 | greycat | DebianTestr: that is one seriously fucked up line of wannabe shell code. |
| 19:01.47 | anymous | DebianTestr: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:01.51 | jmki | shadow98: yeah. |
| 19:01.55 | greycat | the no-op // is particularly amusing |
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| 19:02.11 | shadow98 | jmki: could it be the p2p app im running...emule.. |
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| 19:02.24 | jmki | shadow98: no I don't think so |
| 19:02.49 | yoyo|bot | a..zmule |
| 19:02.49 | shadow98 | jmki: what do the flag MP mean? |
| 19:02.51 | DebianTestr | isn't // like using a wildcard? |
| 19:03.05 | stew | DebianTestr: you might as well not put it there at all |
| 19:03.08 | jmki | shadow98: M is for manual and P is for proxy-arp (if I recall correctly) |
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| 19:03.35 | Drim | when i tried to configure my wireless network, i have this error : iwconfig eth1 key 2222... SET failed oon device eth1 ; operation not supported |
| 19:03.56 | DebianTestr | Im just making a script to add users from /etc/shadow to mysql vmail database |
| 19:04.07 | DebianTestr | and i just wnat to paste one line at a time from the shadow |
| 19:04.10 | pwned | awesome. It finally continues compiling |
| 19:04.11 | greycat | DebianTestr: so you want a list of their names? or what? |
| 19:04.19 | greycat | DebianTestr: awk -F: '{print $1}' < /etc/shadow |
| 19:04.21 | DebianTestr | name and shadow |
| 19:04.26 | greycat | DebianTestr: in what format? |
| 19:04.44 | DebianTestr | addvmail [domain] [user] [crypt] |
| 19:04.52 | DebianTestr | those are the variables i came up with |
| 19:04.55 | DebianTestr | so thats all i need |
| 19:05.14 | shadow98 | jmki: check out the second paragraph.. http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_ProxyARP.htm |
| 19:05.14 | anymous | what shadow? the encrypted password? |
| 19:05.14 | DebianTestr | yeah |
| 19:05.19 | greycat | DebianTestr: awk -F: '{print "addvmail domain " $1 " " $2}' < /etc/shadow |
| 19:05.37 | twi573d | greycat: hey, just wanted to let you know that the reboot fixed my problem :) |
| 19:05.43 | greycat | twi573d: ok |
| 19:05.51 | jmki | shadow98: yeah |
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| 19:06.29 | shadow98 | jmki: i read that as saying anything on lan will be sent to that address.. |
| 19:06.32 | DebianTestr | greycat.. thats actually a good idea thanks |
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| 19:06.55 | jmki | shadow98: no. |
| 19:07.07 | DebianTestr | pipe it to a file and look at it and execute it |
| 19:07.08 | DebianTestr | nice |
| 19:07.17 | DebianTestr | sorry for being a newbie! |
| 19:07.17 | jmki | shadow98: unless you're proxy-arping a routers IP which is another machine in the LAN |
| 19:07.17 | xerophyte | good somebody tell me good mp3 players |
| 19:07.19 | abrotman | OT: anyone know a site that might list Db ratings for cases? |
| 19:07.40 | jmki | shadow98: and then it would just send everything to the machine doing proxy-arping |
| 19:08.25 | inviso | just finished a windows dual-boot install on my laptop and it hosed the boot loader, as I expected. Booted into knoppix and then chrooted into my debian install to fix the boot loader, but it can't access /dev/hda now. I did a mount -t proc none new_proc_location before chrooting. what did I miss? |
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| 19:08.42 | khanman | has anyone successfully used a Sarge netinst CD with a Promise Fasttrak 100 TX2 to build a box |
| 19:08.46 | jmki | shadow98: it only makes the machine respond to arp-requests for that IP.. nothing more |
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| 19:09.09 | stouset | Mornin', folks. |
| 19:09.27 | anymous | inviso: what does /proc/partitions contain? |
| 19:09.45 | jmki | shadow98: and that makes other machines which try looking for that IP (which they shouldn't be doing if they arent within that subnet) add the ethernet address of the interface doing proxy-arp to their arp tables.. and hence send all traffic destined to that IP to that ethernet address |
| 19:09.47 | inviso | anymous: looks good, 4 partions and hda |
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| 19:10.03 | shadow98 | jmki: so i shouldn't worry about it? |
| 19:10.08 | jmki | shadow98: so that entry shouldn't do any harm in your local network.. and that's why I have no idea what's it doing there |
| 19:10.25 | anymous | inviso: and you did grub-install in the chroot? |
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| 19:10.35 | jmki | shadow98: not about just that entry.. but it might be there for other reasons |
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| 19:10.46 | jmki | shadow98: but probably the safest thing to do is to just remove it |
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| 19:11.01 | inviso | anymous: tried, but it fails trying to access the device. fdisk /dev/hda says "Unable to open /dev/hda" |
| 19:11.05 | jmki | shadow98: do as root: arp -d that_ip -i eth1 |
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| 19:11.29 | inviso | anymous: and grub -> root(hd0,0) says something like "no such device" |
| 19:11.30 | jmki | shadow98: the -i parameter is necessary for removing proxy-arp (pub) entries |
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| 19:11.43 | shadow98 | jmki: what should i do if it comes back? |
| 19:11.52 | jmki | shadow98: find out what makes it come back ;) |
| 19:12.02 | shadow98 | jmki: heheheh |
| 19:12.11 | inviso | anymous: I "am" supposed to be doing the grub install from inside the chroot, correct? |
| 19:12.18 | dmp_ | I'd say so |
| 19:12.23 | anymous | inviso: yes |
| 19:12.27 | jmki | shadow98: maybe it would be good to do some searching in your system.. and make sure you're up to date |
| 19:12.30 | shadow98 | jmki: is there any way to find out when it was put in the arp table? |
| 19:12.52 | anymous | inviso: fdisk -ul prints? |
| 19:12.55 | jmki | shadow98: no, the kernel doesn't keep an entry for that purpose |
| 19:12.56 | cao30 | can anybody help me with MIDI serial driver snd-serial-u16550 ? |
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| 19:13.01 | davidm_ | q: is debian going to move to xorg in the future? |
| 19:13.09 | stew | !topicsmite davidm_ |
| 19:13.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon davidm_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:13.13 | directhex | davidm_, a: after sarge releases, yes |
| 19:13.16 | helix | mmm, edified |
| 19:13.17 | inviso | anymous: can't open /dev/hda |
| 19:13.20 | shadow98 | it has had to be recently...because i just ran all updates on my firewall and rebooted just a week ago.. |
| 19:13.35 | davidm_ | thanks |
| 19:13.36 | shadow98 | jmki: this is astaro linux firewall... |
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| 19:14.09 | inviso | anymous: /dev/hda is brw-rw---- root disk 3,0 |
| 19:14.15 | stew | !veggiesmite helix |
| 19:14.22 | davidm_ | Oo sorry stew new to the mirc thing |
| 19:14.24 | stew | mmm veggigied |
| 19:14.27 | stew | fied |
| 19:14.31 | greycat | You know what Debian's real problem is? It's not a team of 900 developers. It's 900 teams of one developer each. |
| 19:14.32 | valentinos | is there a way to have the system updates automaticaly ? |
| 19:14.38 | dmp_ | valentinos: cron-apt |
| 19:14.53 | valentinos | thanks |
| 19:15.00 | jmki | shadow98: yeah.. can't really say what you should do about the situation.. just check that everything's all right and maybe if you're really paranoid about it surround arp with a program that logs its usage |
| 19:15.01 | FromTO | try this again: where do I change permissions for automatic usb mounts . It is mounting the drive as read only for the user |
| 19:15.03 | greycat | helix: you must have a HUGE freezer to hold a ton of broccoli. |
| 19:15.12 | anymous | inviso: anything in `dmesg' |
| 19:15.13 | asuffield | greycat: maybe, but all the others are dickheads |
| 19:15.16 | davidm_ | nother noob q: is there something like Event viewer for linux? or some place that collects all logs? |
| 19:15.29 | gerardocb | Yeah, davidm_ |
| 19:15.29 | helix | can I use my "get out of knowledge of measurements because I'm american" card? |
| 19:15.35 | gerardocb | It's called /var/log |
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| 19:15.45 | davidm_ | thanks |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | helix: just once. |
| 19:16.05 | helix | anyway, I really only have several pounds |
| 19:16.11 | davidm_ | trying to move from windows to linux so feeling in the dark some and sometims google isnt working for me |
| 19:16.12 | jmki | shadow98: it might be some program that comes with the system that adds those.. don't know for what reason but I've seen even weirder things happen |
| 19:16.28 | khanman | Necron99, wassabi |
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| 19:16.33 | asuffield | helix: which brings us neatly onto the question of you being too damn tall, and wide in the wrong places :P |
| 19:16.33 | shadow98 | jmki: to remove things from arp you have to be root..but you don't have to be root to add |
| 19:16.41 | stew | helix: just say "a kilo or two" and you don't have to use your card just yet |
| 19:16.48 | jmki | shadow98: you have to be root to add as well |
| 19:16.54 | helix | asuffield: broccoli? it has like 1 calorie |
| 19:17.02 | jmki | shadow98: obviously.. because you can totally mess up networking with arp |
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| 19:17.13 | gerardocb | davidm_, are u starting this process with Debian woody?? |
| 19:17.19 | bahadir | i choose taskel but not dselect.it installs some packages.but i dont want it to install kde or gnome for ex. how will do that?pls help me.im new to debian. |
| 19:17.23 | anymous | what do you think, who is going to win the dpl election? is branden finally going to make it? |
| 19:17.24 | jmki | shadow98: and even the networking on other workstation within the subnet |
| 19:17.29 | asuffield | helix: PER UNIT WEIGHT. not one per meal containing it |
| 19:17.41 | davidm_ | sarge |
| 19:17.43 | davidm_ | yes |
| 19:17.44 | greycat | helix: asuffield is fundamentally incompatible with women, I think. |
| 19:17.46 | helix | just sayin'. broccoli doesn't make people fat. |
| 19:17.55 | helix | greycat: he tries to be, but he loves us :) |
| 19:17.56 | shadow98 | jmki: so whatever put it in there had root access...and I know for a fact that I haven't even logged in with root access...because the firewall is web based...for most of the controls.... |
| 19:18.02 | asuffield | it does if you eat that much of it |
| 19:18.04 | greycat | helix: he may love you, but he only respects anime girls |
| 19:18.09 | helix | this is true |
| 19:18.16 | jmki | shadow98: yep. |
| 19:18.22 | inviso | anymous: dmesg is empty in knoppix and it looks fine in my chroot although it might just be the last boot |
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| 19:18.33 | asuffield | helix: I do not, you're wearing clothes and stuff |
| 19:18.34 | stew | kinda like "guns don't kill people, people kill people" applied to brocoli, i guess |
| 19:18.34 | bahadir | anybody wont help me? |
| 19:18.37 | helix | heh |
| 19:18.40 | shadow98 | jmki: i don't even have a keyboard hooked up to it...and ssh is turned off.. |
| 19:18.40 | davidm_ | currently trying to work out dual monitors |
| 19:18.49 | helix | wait, how do you know that? |
| 19:19.01 | greycat | stew: that's about 1-2 steps away from QOTD. Keep going... |
| 19:19.01 | davidm_ | right now all i get is cloned monitors |
| 19:19.02 | jmki | shadow98: then it might have been there for a while.. maybe it's been added in bootscripts? |
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| 19:19.10 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/259804 <-- any help appriciated |
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| 19:19.22 | greycat | !tell redduck666 about smart questions |
| 19:19.26 | jmki | shadow98: check the scripts in etc for "arp -Ds" or for that IP |
| 19:19.32 | stew | guns don't kill people, broccoli makes them fat? |
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| 19:19.46 | greycat | nobody wants to go through the hassle of clicking on a link to find out whether they're even capable of understanding the question |
| 19:20.11 | jmki | shadow98: but I wouldn't be worried about the entry.. if someone added that for a purpose then there might be much more going on |
| 19:20.19 | cao30 | can anybody help me with MIDI serial driver snd-serial-u16550 ? |
| 19:20.24 | asuffield | stew: and then they get hunted so people can make shoes out of their blubber |
| 19:20.36 | jmki | shadow98: that might be one why to hide the address of the attack.. make all stuff go to a imaginery IP and then redirect it to another address on another machine |
| 19:20.41 | helix | heh |
| 19:20.54 | stew | its rubs the lotion on its skin |
| 19:20.56 | jmki | shadow98: though that's a rather crude method of doing it |
| 19:21.00 | anymous | inviso: hm, if fisk can't open the device, then it's not there... |
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| 19:21.15 | anymous | s/fisk/fdisk |
| 19:21.24 | inviso | anymous: right :) It's available outside the chroot, but not inside :( |
| 19:21.50 | anymous | so is /dev/hda the same inside and outside? |
| 19:22.01 | jmki | shadow98: but anyway, check the files in that system for that IP and make sure you're up-to-date and also check the logs for weird logins |
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| 19:22.15 | inviso | anymous: group by disk inside and root outside, but that's the only difference |
| 19:22.19 | jmki | shadow98: and process table as well and outgoing traffic |
| 19:22.25 | jmki | shadow98: but I doubt there's much to worry about |
| 19:22.40 | anymous | yes? |
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| 19:23.09 | anymous | I mean: the same major and minor numbers? |
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| 19:23.22 | jmki | shadow98: have to go, hope everythings fine there. |
| 19:23.33 | Bytor | How can I prevent a debian-packaged kernel from loading ide-generic? It's overriding my mobo-specific IDE module, and thus preventing DMA |
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| 19:24.07 | inviso | anymous: yep :) |
| 19:24.15 | stouset | Bytor: I assume this is during initrd? |
| 19:24.35 | inviso | anymous: ahhh, finally got it. didn't do a mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/hda4/dev .. thanks for the help |
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| 19:25.01 | anymous | inviso: urgs... |
| 19:25.08 | Bytor | stouset: I suppose. Do the debian 2.6 kernel imaages use initrd? |
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| 19:25.16 | stouset | Bytor: Yes |
| 19:25.19 | nvz | Bytor: all debian images use initrd |
| 19:25.20 | Bytor | Yes, it appears so |
| 19:25.22 | bahadir | i choose taskel but not dselect.it installs some packages.but i dont want it to install kde or gnome for ex. how will do that?pls help me.im new to debian. |
| 19:25.25 | stouset | Bytor: I could have sworn there was a way to blacklist, but I can't find it. |
| 19:25.46 | arturaz | Hi. I'm trying to install Linux on Intel Celeron 600Mhz. However whichever linux kernel (2.2-2.6) or distro i try(Debian,Knoppix,Ubuntu) all i get is reboot few moments right after kernel loads. I can't even see the error mesaage. Any ideas how to prevent this? Pause key doesn't work. |
| 19:26.02 | Bytor | It seems to be a sort of dumb default. If my main hard drive wasn't SATA it would REALLY be a big problem. As is it really only effects my cdrom, but still... |
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| 19:26.26 | anymous | stouset: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 19:26.32 | C17H21NO4 | I am having problems running x clients over ssh. Would the fact that my uid's on the two machines are not the same? |
| 19:26.41 | nvz | helix: depends on how much, is "too much" but I would still say more is better than none |
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| 19:26.51 | disasm | arturaz: i'm not too familiar with tasksel, but I find the easiest way to get a debian system up is use neither tasksel or deselect and apt-get install things as you need them |
| 19:26.54 | khanman | Bytor, you arent from Jersey by any chance are ya? bought my first highspeed modem (USR HST) from some dude with that nic many years ago |
| 19:27.02 | stouset | Thans, any. Bytor: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist (may need to create the file), and add ide-generic in there :-) |
| 19:27.07 | asuffield | worse is people who insert punctuation RANDOMLY |
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| 19:27.18 | Bytor | khanman: Nope. About 400 miles south of there ;) |
| 19:27.19 | otwin | hi, i´m trying to compile the ivtv driver on sarge and need kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 but apt-get does not find the package. Can anybody help? |
| 19:27.21 | disasm | arturaz: probly don't select desktop environment would do it |
| 19:27.22 | nvz | asuffield: (: |
| 19:27.31 | khanman | Bytor, ah ok cheers :) |
| 19:27.37 | pwned | erm. I compiled a 2.6.11 kernel without initrd, was that a waste? |
| 19:27.38 | helix | asuffield: maybe he's german |
| 19:27.41 | Bytor | khanman: Odds are he was also a rush fan though... |
| 19:27.42 | helix | they love, to use commas |
| 19:27.50 | khanman | arent we all :) |
| 19:27.57 | Bytor | ;) |
| 19:27.59 | pwned | you are all turkish |
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| 19:28.25 | arturaz | disasm, you're sure youre talking to right person? |
| 19:28.26 | stouset | pwned: Sort of. |
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| 19:28.45 | nvz | they probably just do it for the same reason I do it. they don't know grammar and they throw it in anywhere they pause in the thought process |
| 19:28.46 | pwned | do I need the initrd line in the boot loader config for 2.6.x kernels ? |
| 19:28.56 | disasm | arturaz: no im not |
| 19:29.04 | helix | nvz: well, germans do it because the (old) grammar was done that way |
| 19:29.09 | disasm | bahadir: what i said to arturaz was to you |
| 19:29.20 | helix | dunno what the rule is, but they seem to do it after verbs |
| 19:29.21 | anymous | pwned: depends if you compiled in support for your harddrive where your root partition is in. |
| 19:29.26 | asuffield | germans do it because they're too dim to tell the difference between german and english |
| 19:29.35 | pwned | anymous, it has support for the root partition |
| 19:29.37 | valentinos | dmp_, i download cron-apt and look at the config files do i have to run/do anything alse to make it active ? |
| 19:29.41 | helix | I can't escape ;( |
| 19:29.49 | dmp_ | valentinos: have a read of the man page. |
| 19:29.56 | pwned | hm ok then |
| 19:29.59 | asuffield | helix: stop taking those pills |
| 19:30.02 | C17H21NO4 | I am having problems running x clients over ssh. Would the fact that my uid's on the two machines are not the same? |
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| 19:30.07 | helix | intarweb pills |
| 19:30.08 | anymous | pwned: you don't _need_ initrd |
| 19:30.10 | p88 | hi all |
| 19:30.17 | p88 | huh? |
| 19:30.19 | greycat | what, the pills from CVS? |
| 19:30.26 | helix | greycat: gahh |
| 19:30.28 | p88 | can one also boot without initrd? |
| 19:30.29 | stouset | pwned: It's just sort of nice to have. |
| 19:30.31 | valentinos | yes it says about the conf files i mention |
| 19:30.31 | helix | I saw that too and forgot! |
| 19:30.34 | stouset | p88: yes. |
| 19:30.39 | quiet | i just did 'apt-get install php4-mysql' and it's installing.. do i need to do anything for php to recognize it now? |
| 19:30.44 | helix | I think we saw a vim, bonobo, and something else store in nyc |
| 19:30.44 | asuffield | presumably this is some american madness |
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| 19:30.48 | pwned | now I learned something new |
| 19:30.50 | p88 | how do you do that? |
| 19:30.54 | helix | asuffield: cvs is a pharmacy type store here |
| 19:31.04 | asuffield | stupid name |
| 19:31.11 | helix | (thus the 'pharmacy' frontend) |
| 19:31.18 | quiet | p88, when you compile your own kernel, it doesn't include initrd |
| 19:31.19 | valentinos | dmp_, do i have to "/etc/init.d/cron restart" or something ? |
| 19:31.22 | quiet | i think? |
| 19:31.26 | dmp_ | Wouldnt have thought so. |
| 19:31.29 | greycat | quiet: therefore... |
| 19:31.42 | p88 | I thought linux always needed initrd |
| 19:31.48 | p88 | initial ram disk |
| 19:31.51 | p88 | it says initial |
| 19:31.53 | dmp_ | p88: not at all. |
| 19:31.55 | dmp_ | you dont need it |
| 19:31.56 | anymous | p88: no |
| 19:31.59 | greycat | p88: no, only kernels that need it, need it. |
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| 19:32.05 | nvz | Is CVS a different chain, or is it what was formally known as Eckard? |
| 19:32.07 | anymous | greycat: :) |
| 19:32.10 | greycat | which includes all of sarge's kernels and most of woody's |
| 19:32.12 | p88 | is it better to have it without initrd? |
| 19:32.13 | asuffield | well, or systems that need it |
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| 19:32.30 | p88 | or doesn't it matter |
| 19:32.39 | asuffield | all the servers I build these days need the evms initrd to mount their filesystems |
| 19:32.40 | takatumi | for kernels with rootfs related items compiled as modules. |
| 19:32.56 | nvz | I dont even remember what it was that Eckard bought out that we had before. |
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| 19:33.23 | anymous | p88: stay with initrd, you want that. |
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| 19:33.31 | p88 | ok |
| 19:33.35 | edibletext | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:33.56 | greycat | if you don't know whether you need initrd or not, you shouldn't be configuring kernels |
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| 19:34.09 | S4nD3r_ | Is there any translator in debian ??? |
| 19:34.24 | p88 | greycat: indeed |
| 19:34.30 | khanman | is there support for a Promise Fasttrak 100 TX2 on the sarge netinst cd? |
| 19:34.31 | p88 | I don't configure linux kernels |
| 19:34.34 | asuffield | filters |
| 19:34.35 | simonrvn | what *kind* of translator? |
| 19:34.38 | p88 | I configure freebsd kernels |
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| 19:34.39 | S4nD3r_ | English -> Portuguese |
| 19:34.43 | S4nD3r_ | languages |
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| 19:34.51 | anymous | greycat: i don't agree, configure kernel and learn |
| 19:34.57 | anymous | .. the hard way ... |
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| 19:35.03 | S4nD3r_ | words translator |
| 19:35.03 | mrpull | is cdimage.debian.org down? |
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| 19:35.05 | BlSabbatH | hi |
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| 19:35.11 | davidm_ | gerardocb is there a probelm with starting with Debian woody? |
| 19:35.11 | pwned | oowwkey. Let's see how this first kernel compilation will reboot |
| 19:35.15 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: there are some, dunno if one like that exists |
| 19:35.21 | nvz | p88: initrd, gives the system a ramdisk that it can use to load essential modules for boot, like the drivers for the root filesystem and the controller its on. if you configure your own, you build in the correct drivers, and leave out initrd usually. unless the kernel will be used for a boot or rescue cd/floppy then maybe you might want initrd. |
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| 19:35.33 | S4nD3r_ | simonrvn, tell me the name of one |
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| 19:35.40 | p88 | nvz: I see |
| 19:35.44 | BlSabbatH | i've a little trouble with amsn..someone can help?? |
| 19:36.06 | mrhemlock | greycat, earlier today i was giving bad answers ? |
| 19:36.11 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | how can i config my bind only for reverse resolving for my only IP |
| 19:36.34 | quiet | BlSabbatH, ask... |
| 19:36.36 | quiet | !ask |
| 19:36.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 19:36.39 | nvz | p88: once the root filesystem can be mounted, everything can then be done from there. so unless the kernel cannot mount a root filesystem there is no need really. |
| 19:36.47 | greycat | 12:59 mrhemlock> ricky_clarkson, for i in `cat list`; do echo '$'i; done |
| 19:36.54 | greycat | mrhemlock: I still have no clue what you were trying to achieve there. |
| 19:36.55 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | is it a problem for my reverse resolving if my isp give me ip with DSCP |
| 19:36.56 | p88 | my root fs is (I think) ext3 |
| 19:36.59 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | *DHCP |
| 19:37.01 | valdyn_ | CaT_MaNZzzZ: your "only" ip? why not use /etc/hosts ? |
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| 19:37.08 | p88 | yes it is |
| 19:37.10 | quiet | p88, unless you changed it.. it is |
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| 19:37.14 | nvz | p88: df -Th |
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| 19:37.18 | p88 | I changes some things |
| 19:37.24 | p88 | nvz: I did cat /etc/fstab |
| 19:37.25 | mrhemlock | greycat, he asked how to iterate over a list in shell |
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| 19:37.32 | p88 | s/changes/changed |
| 19:37.39 | anymous | DSCP? what's that? excuse my ignorance... |
| 19:37.41 | seldorf | w |
| 19:37.50 | greycat | mrhemlock: I'm almost positive you want echo "$i" instead of echo '$'i |
| 19:37.52 | BlSabbatH | i can't see the incoming personal image, i know, there's an option to select, but when i select it, save, after it is the same! |
| 19:37.57 | burd | CaT_MaNzzZ: are you trying to get your reverse working so your mail server can send mail to some places? |
| 19:38.00 | nvz | p88: thats got nothing to do with the filesystem on the drive. if that were changed to NTFS in /etc/fstab it would still be ext3 |
| 19:38.03 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | no |
| 19:38.13 | mrhemlock | greycat, whoops that was typeoo |
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| 19:38.18 | greycat | mrhemlock: and for i in `cat list` breaks down if the elements of the list have spaces in them, which is exceedingly common in the type of problem ricky_clarkson was dealing with |
| 19:38.26 | BlSabbatH | what's the matter? |
| 19:38.29 | valdyn_ | CaT_MaNZzzZ: you're trying something strange.. what are you trying to do? |
| 19:38.34 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | i have IP and i redirekt my subdomain to my ip |
| 19:38.42 | nvz | p88: /etc/mtab would be more accurate than /etc/fstab for determining the filesystem of a mounted volume |
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| 19:38.46 | flawd | it seems like the links to where to download the sarge cd images are dead atm. |
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| 19:38.56 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | *redirect |
| 19:39.00 | seldorf | any vegetarians here ? |
| 19:39.00 | p88 | I see |
| 19:39.01 | Eno_ | in gnome, how would i get konqueror to handle the desktop? |
| 19:39.02 | p88 | mtab... |
| 19:39.03 | mrhemlock | greycat, What is better way ? |
| 19:39.08 | flawd | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso for instance doesnt work for me |
| 19:39.09 | BlSabbatH | so quiet |
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| 19:39.15 | nvz | p88: well if its mounted they _should_ agree but I've seen them not be the same before |
| 19:39.19 | flawd | nor the jigdo files |
| 19:39.22 | greycat | mrhemlock: 13:09 greycat> ricky_clarkson: actually, a better approach altogether might be something like: i=1; while read ogg; do ogg123 -d wav -f $(printf %02d $i).wav "$ogg"; let i++; done < myplaylist |
| 19:39.23 | valdyn_ | CaT_MaNZzzZ: and your isp gives you a dynamic ip? |
| 19:39.27 | RRT | i want to print over my local network from debian to a printer on xp, i have samba setup, i can get files off the xp machine. what now? |
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| 19:39.30 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | no |
| 19:39.30 | p88 | weird |
| 19:39.32 | quiet | BlSabbatH, ? |
| 19:39.35 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | my IP is static |
| 19:39.46 | BlSabbatH | can u help me quiet? |
| 19:39.59 | p88 | mine is not static |
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| 19:39.59 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | every time he is same |
| 19:40.05 | quiet | BlSabbatH, I don't use aMSN |
| 19:40.08 | DebianTestr | grey cat.. remember that line you pasted me.. what if i wanted to add ' around $2 |
| 19:40.08 | quiet | sorry |
| 19:40.17 | BlSabbatH | ok..nevermind |
| 19:40.26 | mrhemlock | greycat, Thanks i will rember that |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | DebianTestr: /topic #bash |
| 19:40.52 | nvz | p88: df -Th, is easier to read and type, that cat /etc/mtab |
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| 19:41.31 | p88 | yes that is true |
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| 19:42.04 | p88 | what is .dev? |
| 19:42.07 | p88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.09 | valdyn_ | RRT: try foomatic-gui |
| 19:42.10 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | can i fix my reverse resolv at /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:42.15 | p88 | I have a /dev and a /.dev |
| 19:42.20 | p88 | in /.dev there is much more |
| 19:42.24 | DebianTestr | awk -F: '{print "addvmail domain " $1 " '"$2"'"}' shadow |
| 19:42.35 | anymous | p88: looks like a trojan rootkit... |
| 19:42.48 | greycat | DebianTestr: *sigh* |
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| 19:42.57 | greycat | DebianTestr: THINK. Don't just type random shit and ask others to think for you. |
| 19:42.58 | p88 | anymous: a trojan is pretty much impossible |
| 19:43.01 | flawd | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso doesnt work atm. |
| 19:43.04 | stew | p88: /.dev is the real dev, /dev is udev |
| 19:43.04 | p88 | this system is 1 day old |
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| 19:43.19 | stew | anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 19:43.25 | greycat | stew: hahahahahaha |
| 19:43.27 | p88 | stew: /dev as such is the devfs |
| 19:43.28 | anymous | ok, ok |
| 19:43.31 | DebianTestr | greycat sorry but the rules for quotes seem to be different all the time |
| 19:43.39 | p88 | right? |
| 19:43.49 | greycat | dpkg, udev =~ s/and shit/and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 19:43.57 | DebianTestr | for setting vars in a cript I could go VAR="'$4'" and the '' will show up |
| 19:43.58 | valdyn_ | CaT_MaNZzzZ: /etc/hosts will resolve only queries done on localhost, i still didnt understand what you are trying to accomplish though |
| 19:44.03 | directhex | p88, udev, not devfs |
| 19:44.05 | petemc | CaT_MaNZzzZ: no |
| 19:44.07 | stew | heh |
| 19:44.09 | greycat | dpkg, flw31 is <p88> anymous: a trojan is pretty much impossible <p88> this system is 1 day old |
| 19:44.12 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:44.12 | quiet | how do I restart apahe in debian? |
| 19:44.12 | p88 | ah :-\ |
| 19:44.12 | DebianTestr | and now they don't when you do the same technique |
| 19:44.15 | quiet | apache* |
| 19:44.17 | p88 | quiet: apachectl start |
| 19:44.19 | greycat | dpkg, udev =~ s/and shit/and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev/ |
| 19:44.20 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:44.27 | p88 | I did that |
| 19:44.31 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/30/30|31/ |
| 19:44.32 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:44.33 | quiet | command not found |
| 19:44.39 | p88 | then you don't have it |
| 19:44.45 | de4dline | hi, when i try to execute an apt related command i get: E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. i accidently removed the 'archives' directory. how can i recover/fix this? |
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| 19:44.51 | p88 | quiet: are you root? |
| 19:44.56 | quiet | yes |
| 19:44.59 | BadMan | arg I want sound have it in kde with arts no work in quake3 or quakeworld turn of arts and have sound in quake3 but still no sound in quakeworld |
| 19:45.02 | valdyn_ | de4dline: create it |
| 19:45.03 | p88 | let me check |
| 19:45.22 | p88 | I do have apachectl |
| 19:45.22 | travisat | !udevsmite greycat |
| 19:45.24 | greycat | quiet: dpkg -l apache | tail -1 |
| 19:45.29 | p88 | quiet: apache2ctl |
| 19:45.34 | p88 | if you have apache2 |
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| 19:45.39 | quiet | yes i do |
| 19:45.40 | de4dline | valdyn_: thats it? |
| 19:45.52 | p88 | does apache2ctl exist? |
| 19:45.53 | jetscreamer | mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial ? |
| 19:45.56 | quiet | ahh! thanks pippijn |
| 19:46.02 | p88 | ;) |
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| 19:46.07 | valdyn_ | de4dline: and mkdir partial inside |
| 19:46.10 | greycat | what kind of an idiot.... never mind. I forgot. It's #debian. |
| 19:46.27 | de4dline | valdyn_: ok thanks |
| 19:46.29 | quiet | greycat, me? |
| 19:46.31 | valdyn_ | de4dline: and finally, "touch lock" inside, thats it |
| 19:46.38 | de4dline | valdyn_: ok |
| 19:46.40 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | valdyn_: i buy one domain "rohov.com".... and i redirect one subdomain (Alexander.Rohov.com) to my ip 213.91.187.205 |
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| 19:47.23 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | when i ask dns what ip is for my subdomain .. ip is correct |
| 19:47.52 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | i wont to config my reverse resolving in my pc with ip 213.91.187.205 |
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| 19:48.03 | greycat | CaT_MaNZzzZ: you do not do that "in my pc". |
| 19:48.17 | greycat | you have to have authority over the domain 187.91.213.in-addr.arpa |
| 19:48.19 | p88 | what is the debian firewall? |
| 19:48.26 | greycat | p88: whatever you put there. |
| 19:48.31 | p88 | greycat: such as? |
| 19:48.34 | Rawplayer | iptables |
| 19:48.35 | p88 | pf? |
| 19:48.38 | Rawplayer | ipchains |
| 19:48.40 | greycat | hah! |
| 19:48.44 | greycat | no, there is no PF for linux yet. |
| 19:48.45 | quiet | after doing 'apt-get install phpbb' what do i do?? there's nothing newin /var/www ? |
| 19:48.50 | Eclipser | PF? |
| 19:48.51 | p88 | oh |
| 19:48.53 | Eclipser | !pf |
| 19:48.53 | dpkg | well, pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | !pf |
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| 19:48.56 | stouset | quiet: It wouldn't be in /var/www |
| 19:49.04 | quiet | ? |
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| 19:49.08 | p88 | I had pf in freebsd |
| 19:49.08 | anymous | shorewall is recommended isn't it? |
| 19:49.08 | stouset | quiet: cd /usr/share/doc/phpbb |
| 19:49.12 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | greycat: sorry for my dump english :) |
| 19:49.17 | p88 | shorewall? |
| 19:49.20 | greycat | p88: then you're in for an unpleasant shock. |
| 19:49.26 | Nitsua | Can anyone tell me how to change my resolution, it's stuck on 640 x 480 and I've already dpkg-reconfigured. |
| 19:49.32 | p88 | am I? why is that? |
| 19:49.33 | flawd | the debian installer site for sarge is broken :( |
| 19:49.33 | Loevborg | oh my, can anyone help a poor chap whose dvd burner rips audio cds at stunningly low speeds? |
| 19:49.40 | Eclipser | p88, that and most of the others are just interfaces for iptables, if I recall :) |
| 19:49.40 | quiet | Nitsua, edit XF86Config-4 |
| 19:49.41 | greycat | p88: because everything in linux is either iptables or worse. |
| 19:49.46 | Eclipser | personally I preferred iptables |
| 19:49.47 | abrotman | Nitsua: ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 19:49.48 | p88 | oh |
| 19:49.49 | greycat | p88: or a wrapper around {iptables,ipchains} |
| 19:50.00 | p88 | heh :( |
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| 19:50.35 | p88 | well I have a hardware firewall... |
| 19:50.42 | p88 | that is usually enough |
| 19:50.49 | stew | CaT_MaNZzzZ: you need to talk to your isp if you want to get reverse mapping setup |
| 19:50.50 | p88 | but I do like pf |
| 19:50.56 | p88 | ok I will try iptables |
| 19:51.01 | p88 | maybe that is nice too |
| 19:51.14 | anymous | p88: have fun... |
| 19:51.17 | OleMoudi | how can I mail root automatically warning about an user mistyping too many times his pass, or trying unknown users on ssh... things like that? |
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| 19:51.39 | p88 | is there an example file for iptables config? |
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| 19:51.52 | CaT_MaNZzzZ | stew: is this only way to make reverse mapping setup ? |
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| 19:51.56 | valdyn_ | p88: www.lartc.org |
| 19:52.18 | greycat | the first problem with iptables is that there *is* no config file. |
| 19:52.23 | Nitsua | quiet, all of the display modes in XF86Config-4 are at 1024 x 768. |
| 19:52.29 | greycat | you have to add each rule, one by one, with an iptables command. |
| 19:52.39 | greycat | you could put all those commands together in a shell script, but it's not like PF at all. |
| 19:52.39 | quiet | Nitsua, restarted X? |
| 19:52.47 | tzar` | hi, could someone give me the URL for testing packages ? |
| 19:52.54 | valdyn_ | p88: apt-cache show shorewall, decent frontend |
| 19:53.09 | Rawplayer | www.netfilter.org |
| 19:53.10 | nksen | PF? |
| 19:53.13 | tzar` | hi, could someone give me the URL for testing packages ? - I live in Canada |
| 19:53.17 | stew | CaT_MaNZzzZ: yes |
| 19:53.19 | C17H21NO4 | p88: things like shorewall and ipkungfu make iptabes easier to manage |
| 19:53.21 | greycat | tzar`: apt-setup |
| 19:53.34 | tzar` | greycat: thanks |
| 19:53.35 | p88 | ah I see |
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| 19:53.56 | anymous | p88: install ipmasq, that comes with a whole directory of "config-files". |
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| 19:54.15 | tzar` | greycat: that did not do much.... :( |
| 19:54.17 | greycat | the second problem with iptables is that because there is no config file, all these stupid "helper" programs exist to try to alleviate iptables's egregious shortcoming, and they all do it differently, and they all suck. |
| 19:54.24 | p88 | ipmasq |
| 19:54.36 | greycat | tzar`: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:54.54 | p88 | is there also something like a susefirewall graphical frontend that allows me to configure it through a gui or a tui? |
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| 19:55.09 | tzar` | greycat: this is all i get : deb http://xnv3.xandros.com/3.0/pkg xandros3.0-xn main contrib non-free |
| 19:55.09 | tzar` | deb http://xnv3.xandros.com/3.0/pkg unsupported3.0-xn main contrib non-free |
| 19:55.11 | pwned | well I compiled my kernel, added the vmlinuz entry to /etc/lilo.conf, I forgot to run lilo and rebooted. lilo menu didn't change but now I get no HD activity and a blank screen after the previous kernel is chosen. |
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| 19:55.24 | pwned | what can I do what can I do? |
| 19:55.27 | C17H21NO4 | p88: There is a webmin module for shorewall |
| 19:55.33 | greycat | one two three four five six seven eight nine ten |
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| 19:55.54 | de4dline | wow, after a few days 50 mb of updates with dist-upgrade |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | !tell tzar` about xandros |
| 19:56.05 | p88 | C17H21NO4: I installed shorewall |
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| 19:56.13 | greycat | 13 users in #xandros. Go have fun there. |
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| 19:56.24 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Do you use webmin? |
| 19:56.42 | p88 | no I don't |
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| 19:56.54 | Toastie | Why won't dpkg and apt talk to me? |
| 19:56.56 | tzar` | greycat: thanks :( |
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| 19:57.10 | anymous | Toastie: do "apt-get moo" |
| 19:57.25 | C17H21NO4 | p88: That is the only way I have used it. |
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| 19:57.36 | p88 | ok |
| 19:57.36 | stew | !pal Toastie |
| 19:57.55 | p88 | I am installing webmin |
| 19:57.58 | pwned | why would computer get stuck with a blank screen after the loading dots of the kernel after changing lilo.conf but not running /sbin/lilo |
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| 19:58.01 | Toastie | Oh. |
| 19:58.02 | p88 | C17H21NO4: how do I access the interface? |
| 19:58.26 | Necron99 | Can someone help me with installing sarge netinst on a system with a Promise Fasttrak 100 TX2? |
| 19:58.30 | greycat | the THIRD problem with iptables is that since anyone with sense runs screaming to *BSD, only idiots answer questions about it, and they give answers like "use webmin" |
| 19:58.30 | Nitsua | Can anyone tell me where the .desktop files for GDM are located? |
| 19:58.45 | Ulysses | Hey, I fucked up my /lib and /lib64 dirs on debian amd64. Can someone direct me on how to replace them? |
| 19:58.46 | stew | heh |
| 19:58.56 | C17H21NO4 | p88: If webmin is running, it listens on port 10000 by default on loopback |
| 19:58.59 | greycat | Ulysses: rescue disc. |
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| 19:59.19 | stew | !webmin |
| 19:59.19 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 19:59.26 | p88 | I see |
| 19:59.28 | p88 | ok nice |
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| 19:59.38 | RRT | keep finding different howtos. I have an xp machine with canon printer on my local network. i want to setup this debian sarge machine (also on the local network) to use the printer on the xp machine. what is the best way to do this? been fighting it all day with no luck |
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| 19:59.48 | stouset | Webmin is responsible for the rise of communism. |
| 20:00.02 | anymous | pwned: can you select a different kernel at the LILO prompt? |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | stouset: I think your chronology is a bit flawed |
| 20:00.18 | SiliconViper | So, anyone here ever try Debian with Ricer4? |
| 20:00.19 | Eclipser | :D |
| 20:00.22 | pwned | anymous: no, I would have to run /sbin/lilo for that |
| 20:00.25 | stouset | greycat: communist |
| 20:00.28 | luke_ | RRT - do drivers exist for your canon printer? |
| 20:00.29 | greycat | heh |
| 20:00.31 | stew | pwned: try appending vga=normal to the kernel at the lilo prompt |
| 20:00.32 | C17H21NO4 | Hate webmin all you like, it's a great crutch for beginners. |
| 20:00.53 | stouset | C17H21NO4: until it hoses their system beyond recognition |
| 20:00.53 | greycat | so it teaches you how to be lame? |
| 20:01.05 | pwned | stew: lilo prompt? I only get a 2 second delay before the one and only kernel choice starts loading |
| 20:01.13 | stew | pwned: hit left shift |
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| 20:01.40 | greycat | pwned: hold Shift. |
| 20:01.59 | luke_ | everyone with lilo problems needs to enter the following #apt-get install grub |
| 20:02.17 | pwned | hm yes I hope vga choice is the problem |
| 20:02.17 | petemc | feh, lilo works |
| 20:02.21 | greycat | luke_: ok, *you* get to support them all. |
| 20:02.22 | RRT | linux drivers, I dunno, only win on cd with printer. keep seeing to use samba and cups but can't get it to work. this can't possibly be THAT difficult to do. |
| 20:02.31 | luke_ | nevermind |
| 20:02.37 | Xenguy | Can anyone give me a proper irssi syntax for /ignoring everyone from a specific hostname? |
| 20:02.38 | C17H21NO4 | stouset: I never had a problem with it. I don't use it now, but when I did, it helped me learn the sytax of iptables. |
| 20:02.39 | anymous | luke_ that's only possible after debian is running again... |
| 20:02.48 | luke_ | ohhhhh |
| 20:02.51 | stew | he doens't have a lilo problem he has a kernel problem |
| 20:03.27 | FarrisG | Can anyone point me in the direction of a/the documentation that could help me install from sarge/d-i to a SATA/RAID array on a card that is not supported by the modules/drivers included in the installer? I have the drivers (specifically packaged for debian) from the manufacturer, I just can't figure out how to get them loaded during install, and I can't find how in the installer docs |
| 20:03.37 | greycat | Xenguy: /help ignore |
| 20:03.38 | p88 | C17H21NO4: what is the shorewall webmin module called? |
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| 20:04.25 | C17H21NO4 | p88: checking... |
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| 20:05.02 | de4dline | how can i remove init scripts/services from startup? |
| 20:05.12 | jango` | sorry, someone knows how to mont in loop an initrd image? I don't know the fs type that I need to specify... |
| 20:05.44 | anymous | de4dline: update-rc.d --help |
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| 20:06.10 | anymous | jango: probably ext2, no? |
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| 20:06.37 | de4dline | anymous: thx |
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| 20:07.07 | jango` | anymous: I'll try! thx |
| 20:07.13 | C17H21NO4 | p88: webmin-shorewall :) |
| 20:07.21 | p88 | aah :) |
| 20:07.22 | p88 | ^^ |
| 20:07.43 | p88 | C17H21NO4: doesn't exist |
| 20:08.07 | p88 | E: Couldn't find package webmin-shorewall |
| 20:08.17 | C17H21NO4 | p88: looks like it's in unstable. |
| 20:08.25 | p88 | hm :-\ |
| 20:08.44 | directhex | Farris, #debian-boot |
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| 20:09.00 | C17H21NO4 | p88: It will work with the webmin in testing though |
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| 20:09.49 | redduck666 | may i ask why this channel limits the number of users? |
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| 20:09.59 | p88 | where do I get the package from? |
| 20:10.06 | stew | yummm, installing packages from unstable for webmin to admin a firewall running testing, thats the sweetness |
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| 20:10.09 | greycat | redduck666: to prevent join floods |
| 20:10.15 | anymous | p88: packages.debian.org |
| 20:10.19 | p88 | ok |
| 20:10.21 | greycat | redduck666: debhelper increments it every minute or so if needed |
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| 20:10.28 | de4dline | anymous: this *removes* scripts from /etc/init.d, i just want to have them not started at boot, but keep the scripts |
| 20:10.29 | thompa | hi. |
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| 20:10.41 | greycat | de4dline: NEVER EVER remove scripts from /etc/init.d |
| 20:10.42 | redduck666 | greycat, thanks |
| 20:10.45 | js_ | how come an xdmcp session lags less than a single x11forwarded program=? |
| 20:10.47 | greycat | de4dline: just remove the SYMLINKS from /etc/rc*.d |
| 20:10.48 | CondorMan | Hey people. I want to tar up everything on my machine, right from the "/" (root) all the way down... but how do I do that, without the tar operation attempting to tar itself? Is this even an issue? If so, how do I exclude the actual tar file being built, from being tarred? |
| 20:11.02 | thompa | anyone have any knowledge about bostream and pppoe connections? |
| 20:11.06 | p88 | ehm |
| 20:11.15 | p88 | C17H21NO4: it is not there |
| 20:11.18 | Henning | CondorMan: You don't need to exclude tar. |
| 20:11.27 | p88 | oh yes it is |
| 20:11.28 | p88 | sorry |
| 20:11.29 | greycat | Henning: he means exclude the output file |
| 20:11.30 | de4dline | greycat: what's the difference between rc0, rc1,... |
| 20:11.34 | Henning | CondorMan: You probably need should exclude /proc/ though, and perhaps some others. |
| 20:11.35 | anymous | de4dline: no it doesn't "man update-rc.d" |
| 20:11.43 | Henning | greycat: Ah. That makes sense :) |
| 20:12.14 | pwned | I compiled my own kernel "the debian way", installed it, added the entry to lilo.conf, didn't run /sbin/lilo, I wrote vga=normal to the prompt, whatever, it continued a little in text mode after loading the only kernel choice, then gave many errors like /somewhere/mycompiledkerneldir/modules.dep could not be found error beep messages. |
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| 20:12.17 | Henning | tar has exclusion options though. Several |
| 20:12.33 | pwned | did I somehow mix the two kernels together? I just followed the readme.. |
| 20:12.53 | greycat | pwned: if you did not run lilo, it's still booting the prior kernel. |
| 20:13.07 | pwned | greycat: previous kernel was working though. |
| 20:13.14 | p88 | hm |
| 20:13.16 | greycat | pwned: until you removed its module? or what? |
| 20:13.18 | p88 | webmin is still generating a key |
| 20:13.18 | greycat | modules* |
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| 20:13.30 | p88 | that takes long |
| 20:13.38 | pwned | I didn't remove anything willingly. I only added things. Like compiling the kernel "debian way" |
| 20:13.42 | anymous | update-rc.d: -f Force removal of symlinks even if /etc/init.d/name still exists |
| 20:13.54 | Xenguy | greycat: '/help ignore' gives '/IGNORE -replies *!user@*.host.org ALL' <-- Question: if I modify this to '/IGNORE -replies *!*@*.host.org ALL' , will that /ignore all users on the specified host? |
| 20:14.08 | greycat | Xenguy: and then some. |
| 20:14.14 | thompa | i doesnt receive any ping replies after a pppoe connection is made, cant ping the dns:es, the only thing i can ping is the ISP gateway, anyone know what to do? |
| 20:14.28 | greycat | thompa: set the default gateway properly |
| 20:14.30 | Xenguy | greycat: what do you mean "and then some" ? :-/ |
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| 20:14.38 | greycat | Xenguy: -replies means it does more. |
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| 20:14.52 | Xenguy | greycat: oh I see - right. Thanks :-) |
| 20:14.59 | p88 | how long would it take to generate a 8k ssl key on a 1.8ghz p4? |
| 20:15.02 | thompa | greycat: where should this be done? |
| 20:15.50 | greycat | thompa: you should have told ppp to set the default gateway, and you should have prevented anything ELSE (e.g. interfaces(5)) from setting the default gateway first. |
| 20:16.11 | greycat | p88: it's probably blocking on entropy, not CPU bound. |
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| 20:16.20 | greycat | p88: is it a remote server, or do you have console access to it? |
| 20:16.25 | p88 | console access |
| 20:16.32 | greycat | p88: wiggle the mouse, type on the keyboard |
| 20:16.33 | p88 | it is done |
| 20:16.37 | pwned | how can I run lilo from a.. um.. live cd of another distro? |
| 20:16.46 | p88 | wow huge key :) |
| 20:16.51 | greycat | pwned: mount your root fs, chroot into it, vi /etc/lilo.conf, /sbin/lilo |
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| 20:18.23 | thompa | greycat: I used pppoeconf to configure the ppp. where do I configure the gateway connections? |
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| 20:19.03 | citral | scroll up |
| 20:19.15 | de4dline | how to show which services will be started at boottime? |
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| 20:19.29 | stew | thompa: as he said, interfaces(5) |
| 20:19.32 | stouset | Any way to attach files in reportbug? |
| 20:19.35 | andihit | hello @ll, can anyone say me when the cdimage.debian.org-server works again? |
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| 20:19.43 | greycat | stouset: I believe it prompts you at the end |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | stouset: at least, sarge's... |
| 20:19.53 | Pappa | andihit: you should consider bittorrent |
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| 20:20.10 | anymous | de4dline: I don't think there is anything like chkconfig in debian... |
| 20:20.10 | andihit | no, i want the sarge netinstall |
| 20:20.15 | stouset | greycat: Got it, thanks. |
| 20:20.18 | thompa | stew: interfaces does not include anything about ppp. |
| 20:20.20 | livingtm | I have an application running in wine that needs to get its license key from a floppy disk.. its complaining about not being able to read the serial number of the floppy.. anyone know anyhting abou tthat? |
| 20:20.30 | greycat | thompa: does it have a gateway line in it? |
| 20:20.36 | andihit | (there is only one mirror@ Pappa) |
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| 20:20.49 | de4dline | anymous: ok thanks |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | livingtm: #winehq |
| 20:20.54 | stew | thompa: or do you have an interface in there getting an address via dhcp? |
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| 20:21.00 | livingtm | greycat #noones there.. |
| 20:21.03 | bas | i don't have a domain. how should i setup my mta? i can send mails, but they are auto-returned as well with a message that my domain is not a fqdn... |
| 20:21.05 | thompa | greycat: no. |
| 20:21.22 | thompa | stew: no. |
| 20:21.29 | citral | livingtm: we don't support proprietary crap... and wine has nothing to do with debian |
| 20:21.38 | de4dline | how to check which daemons are running at the moment? |
| 20:21.40 | greycat | bas: you will need to translate ALL your addresses from local usernames to real internet mail addresses. Have fun. |
| 20:21.42 | stouset | bas: You need to make sure your mail server identifies itself with either an IP address or an FQDN |
| 20:21.51 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.52 | thompa | we just ran pppoeconf, and then pon <config-file> |
| 20:21.55 | anymous | de4dline: `ps -ef' |
| 20:21.56 | livingtm | citral: thanks for being so pleasant about it |
| 20:21.57 | citral | de4dline: ps aux |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | citral: untrue. wine is LGPL and is in debian. |
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| 20:22.15 | stouset | bas: Your server can't identify itself as just a hostname. Either an ip address or a hostname + domain. |
| 20:22.17 | greycat | thompa: so, check your routing table. |
| 20:22.20 | stouset | bas: In your case, IP address. |
| 20:22.21 | citral | I take it back then. |
| 20:22.25 | de4dline | citral: what is with services between [brackets] ? |
| 20:22.30 | anymous | citral, no it's "ps -ef" not "ps aux" :-)) |
| 20:22.34 | greycat | de4dline: in ps? they're paged out. |
| 20:22.42 | asuffield | de4dline: no pages in memory. typically this is a kernel thread |
| 20:22.52 | asuffield | it's difficult for a real application to have no pages in memory |
| 20:23.00 | de4dline | ok thanks |
| 20:23.12 | stouset | I think ps is the only command I use with relative frequency where I have no fucking clue what any options mean. ps aux, ps wax and ps ef are just hardcoded into my head. |
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| 20:23.48 | greycat | asuffield: it could be swapped out under heavy swapping load |
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| 20:23.55 | greycat | I've seen that several times with idle daemons |
| 20:23.59 | thompa | brb |
| 20:24.04 | bas | greycat, stouset, ok... so i should get a domain someday i guess :) |
| 20:24.16 | cao30 | i'm having trouble with snd-serial-u16550a, anybody help? |
| 20:24.19 | stouset | bas: yeah. I just use virtual hosting. |
| 20:24.34 | de4dline | is opera browser available by apt-get ? |
| 20:24.40 | greycat | de4dline: ask www.opera.com |
| 20:24.41 | stouset | bas: Well, dreamhost for email/website, and a virtual host for development shit |
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| 20:25.08 | Kobaz | hmmm, when i change /etc/security/limits.conf in plebian and then log in as the user i changed the limits for, the limits are still unlimited... is there some other config file somewhere to enable limits.conf? |
| 20:25.08 | quiet | macondo! |
| 20:25.11 | anymous | de4dline: your previous question, there are some init-editors around, kde comes with one IIRC |
| 20:25.14 | stouset | Christ, is it must me or is apt-cache sometimes really really bad at searching? |
| 20:25.25 | stouset | apt-cache search opera returns 899 packages |
| 20:25.27 | bas | stouset, well i have virtual hosting as well, but my laptop is usually roaming between hotspots, which is a problem |
| 20:25.32 | thom|away | greycat: when i run route the table is empty. |
| 20:25.39 | stouset | bas: why's that a problem? forward mail through your virtual host |
| 20:25.42 | de4dline | anymous: my machine can't handle the heavyness of Kapps |
| 20:25.50 | greycat | thom|away: ok, then go over your ppp configuration MANUALLY and see why it isn't setting the default route. |
| 20:25.58 | greycat | thom|away: trust not in *config tools. |
| 20:26.11 | bas | stouset, but my virtual host is not online 24/7 |
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| 20:26.13 | citral | stouset: you can complete it, e.g. apt-cache search opera browser |
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| 20:26.17 | macondo | quiet: sup? |
| 20:26.24 | quiet | how's it going? |
| 20:26.29 | stouset | bas: ...why not? Any virtual host provider should be up 24/7 no excuses. |
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| 20:26.40 | nitsua | Can anyone tell me where I go to set the GDM sessions? I don't see anything that makes sense in /etc/gdm/ |
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| 20:26.55 | macondo | quiet: i don't recognize your nick |
| 20:26.59 | stouset | citral: argh, yeah, I'm assuming opera also matches "operator", "operate", etc. |
| 20:27.12 | citral | stouset: indeed |
| 20:27.17 | quiet | i recognize yours.. but I dunno from where... slackware, freebsd ? |
| 20:27.28 | stouset | citral: On the other hand, I get pissy whenever yum makes me manually type 'yum --search "*blah*"' |
| 20:27.29 | takatumi | why would this happen? "cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '001.wav'" |
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| 20:27.40 | greycat | file 001.wav |
| 20:27.44 | thom|away | greycat: the plog says this: |
| 20:27.46 | takatumi | other than the obvious, converted and off to wav |
| 20:27.50 | Pappa | andihit: there are more mirrors |
| 20:27.51 | macondo | yeah, i've been there |
| 20:27.56 | redduck666 | a quick question, if i have sarge and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it will be the same as i i installed sid, right? |
| 20:27.56 | thom|away | pppd[2176]: not replacing default route to eth0 [192.168.0.254] |
| 20:27.56 | thom|away | pppd[2176]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP |
| 20:28.02 | stew | stouset: yuck, what are you doing using yum? |
| 20:28.07 | takatumi | greycat: 001.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 20000 Hz |
| 20:28.11 | macondo | quiet, back to my Sarge |
| 20:28.20 | quiet | macondo, maybe LQ? |
| 20:28.27 | greycat | thom|away: that "not replacing" line implies that there was a default route already when you started pppd |
| 20:28.52 | stouset | stew: On a Fedora Core system. Despite my protests, we've decided to use FC3 for all our production machines. |
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| 20:29.04 | takatumi | s/and off/an ogg/sheesh! |
| 20:29.07 | greycat | and that it was pointing to eth0 |
| 20:29.12 | de4dline | is there a usenet binary client to get via apt? |
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| 20:29.24 | greycat | de4dline: dozens, most likely. |
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| 20:29.29 | macondo | quiet, oh yeah, that must be it, tú eres latino? |
| 20:29.30 | citral | slrn is one |
| 20:29.37 | quiet | macondo, nope.. |
| 20:29.42 | quiet | macondo, LQ = halo14 |
| 20:29.46 | de4dline | greycat: can you suggest me one? |
| 20:29.59 | stouset | stew: It's made worse by the fact that the main sysadmin here has no clue how to do things scalably without needing tons of maintenance, so he fucks with config files at random, moves shit around, rarely uses prepackaged binaries, etc. It's an absolute nightmare. I suppose yum, the festering pile of ass that it is, is probably the least of my concerns. |
| 20:30.01 | macondo | quiet: ok now i remember ya |
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| 20:30.08 | quiet | :) |
| 20:30.11 | greycat | !pan |
| 20:30.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, pan is Pimp Ass Newsreader, based on Agent for Windows gui in gtk+ or the Porn Auto Nabber, or recommended by the admins at Little Debbie Snack Cakes, or an evil trickster |
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| 20:30.23 | flawd | the debian installer site for sarge is broken :( |
| 20:30.30 | macondo | quiet: are you a geek by now? |
| 20:30.34 | stouset | flawd: Are you certain? |
| 20:30.34 | greycat | flawd: ask #debian-boot |
| 20:30.37 | pwned | and this time when I tried booting into my debian way compiled kernel, it complained as if I don't have initrd. But I was told I wouldn't need initrd if root fs was supported by the kernel. And it is. |
| 20:30.38 | stouset | !d-i |
| 20:30.38 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:30.39 | flawd | ty |
| 20:30.47 | stouset | Works for me, flawd |
| 20:30.58 | flawd | stouset, try http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso for instance |
| 20:31.08 | Pappa | flawd: the cdimage server is down |
| 20:31.09 | flawd | the site loads but not the links to cdimages |
| 20:31.11 | quiet | macondo, I've always been a geek :P I'm just now coming back to debian though.. |
| 20:31.11 | flawd | ok ty |
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| 20:31.20 | stouset | flawd: cdimages may be down? |
| 20:31.27 | flawd | yeah guess so |
| 20:31.30 | stouset | that would appear to be the case |
| 20:31.31 | flawd | will try later |
| 20:31.33 | anymous | pwned: does lilo.conf still contain an initrd line for this kernel? |
| 20:31.37 | stouset | I'm certain they're looking at it :-) |
| 20:31.41 | pwned | anymous: no. |
| 20:31.46 | macondo | quiet: hehe, i'm still a newbie |
| 20:31.48 | Pappa | flawd: there's always http://debian.cn99.com/debian-cd/sarge/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:31.53 | stouset | quiet: where'd you go to? *gasp* |
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| 20:31.56 | pwned | anymous: well it does, but it is commented out |
| 20:32.07 | stew | pwned: "complained as if I don't have initrd." <-- what does that mean? |
| 20:32.10 | flawd | ty |
| 20:32.34 | quiet | stouset, I've been a junkie for about a year.. tried everything from SuSE, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Fedora, Slackware, etc.. |
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| 20:32.41 | pwned | stew: it means an error comes up like "kernel panic vfs could not mount root(3, 2)" or something similar. I didn't note the exact error |
| 20:33.03 | pwned | stew: it came up whenever I forgot to symlink the initrd |
| 20:33.08 | stew | then your kenrel is missing something to mount your root fs, either drive controller, or fs |
| 20:33.18 | takatumi | flawd: the links don't work here either. |
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| 20:33.27 | pwned | the root fs is fine. I can chroot into it from this livecd |
| 20:33.28 | stouset | pwned: comments are evil. Pipe all your config files through sed -e "s/^#.*//g" |
| 20:33.29 | macondo | quiet: how is Freebsd vs Debian? i'm curious |
| 20:33.36 | stouset | pwned: kidding, of course. Please don't do that |
| 20:33.39 | quiet | macondo, how are you a newbie? you started the Post-Install configuration thread, which has become a huge hit |
| 20:33.41 | pwned | heh stouset |
| 20:33.44 | quiet | macondo, I Love FreeBSD |
| 20:34.02 | stew | pwned: you need to have the drivers for the fs and the drive controller compiled in, not as modules |
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| 20:34.05 | macondo | quiet: is it as fast? |
| 20:34.09 | quiet | macondo, yes |
| 20:34.19 | quiet | i wouldn't say for a desktop |
| 20:34.23 | pwned | stew: it is an ext3. I am sure I compiled in ext3 support.. |
| 20:34.23 | p88 | C17H21NO4: webmin is sooo slow |
| 20:34.26 | macondo | quiet: 5.3? |
| 20:34.31 | p88 | C17H21NO4: it uses up 99% of my cpu |
| 20:34.33 | quiet | macondo, yeah |
| 20:34.34 | stew | pwned: then you didn't get your ide/scsi controller |
| 20:34.35 | pwned | I'll check it again |
| 20:34.47 | stew | pwned: Y not M, right? |
| 20:35.07 | pwned | stew: [*], not <M> |
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| 20:35.24 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Webmin is crap, it just makes setting up shorewall easy. It uses almost no resources on my box though. |
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| 20:35.38 | p88 | maybe it is because I have a 8192bits ssl key? |
| 20:35.40 | p88 | could that be? |
| 20:36.06 | pwned | I still think if I compiled with --initrd my past hour would be joyful |
| 20:36.11 | pwned | not full of sorrow like this past hour |
| 20:36.14 | stouset | C17H21NO4: Webmin makes everything easy! Especially fucking your system beyond any recognition :-) |
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| 20:36.25 | stouset | pwned: Hey, at least now you get to know all of us! |
| 20:36.28 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Not sure, never went that far. |
| 20:36.30 | stouset | pwned: oh, right, sorrow, nm |
| 20:36.45 | p88 | C17H21NO4: I always have 8k keys also for ssh |
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| 20:36.58 | p88 | now I am figuring out shorewall |
| 20:37.20 | p88 | C17H21NO4: can you help me with it? |
| 20:37.22 | pwned | AH. I still have an old 2.2 kernel around here |
| 20:37.22 | greycat | Isn't making an 8192 bit SSL key for webmin analogous to using razor wire and vocal-chord-less dobermans to guard your My Little Pony diary? |
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| 20:37.44 | stew | greycat: haha |
| 20:37.47 | mh_le | how do I kill the X server? |
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| 20:37.58 | underdog | mh_le: ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 20:38.00 | stouset | !greycat++ |
| 20:38.04 | p88 | greycat: could be ;) |
| 20:38.17 | mh_le | underdog: the nvidia install says it's still running.. |
| 20:38.17 | Shadowarrior13 | HEy, how do I see what's on a cd? |
| 20:38.19 | p88 | I never kill my X server |
| 20:38.23 | p88 | I disabled the function |
| 20:38.31 | directhex | mh_le, nvidia-installer? |
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| 20:38.34 | stouset | Shadowarrior13: Mount it? |
| 20:38.35 | underdog | mh_le: if you're on the console, ps -A|grep X |
| 20:38.39 | C17H21NO4 | p88: I can try, at the risk of suffering the wrath of all the webmin haters here :) |
| 20:38.40 | mh_le | directhex: yeah |
| 20:38.41 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, it isn't seeing it |
| 20:38.50 | directhex | mh_le, DON'T USE NVIDIA-INSTALLER |
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| 20:38.54 | p88 | C17H21NO4: what zone ID should I use? |
| 20:38.55 | takatumi | cdimage.d.o is down and will be for the next 4 hours or so, should it be added to the title? |
| 20:38.57 | luite | is there a kernel or iptables setting to limit the number of simultaneous tcp connections from each client IP to a specific port? (kernel 2.6) |
| 20:38.59 | p88 | for e.g. internet |
| 20:39.00 | Shadowarrior13 | I tried configuring the fstab, but it's completely empty |
| 20:39.02 | mh_le | directhex: okay... |
| 20:39.10 | Shadowarrior13 | And I have no clue where to start |
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| 20:39.13 | C17H21NO4 | p88: for what? |
| 20:39.14 | mh_le | directhex: what should I use then? |
| 20:39.18 | CondorMan | Thanks for the help people! |
| 20:39.21 | directhex | !tell mh_le about non-free sources |
| 20:39.21 | p88 | I need a zone right? |
| 20:39.23 | stouset | !ops cdimage.debian.org down. Should it be added to the title? |
| 20:39.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cdimage.debian.org down. Should it be added to the title |
| 20:39.26 | p88 | a network zone |
| 20:39.31 | directhex | !tell mh_le about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 20:39.39 | directhex | !tell mh_le about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:39.40 | p88 | and it asks for an ID |
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| 20:39.50 | p88 | and a displayed name and a description |
| 20:39.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 20:39.57 | LoRez | stouset: maybe you should refrain from suggesting what should go into the topic until you know what it's called? |
| 20:40.08 | p88 | if I am not mistaken I can put a zone called "internet" |
| 20:40.12 | p88 | with some ID |
| 20:40.15 | C17H21NO4 | p88: net=external if; fw=this box; and... and remember the name for the local net |
| 20:40.19 | mh_le | directhex: thanks |
| 20:40.25 | helix | LoRez is so mean |
| 20:40.27 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | cdimage.d.o is down, please be patient | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 20:40.37 | p88 | C17H21NO4: what was that? network zone? |
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| 20:40.58 | LoRez | meh |
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| 20:41.06 | LoRez | and _I'm_ the mean one? |
| 20:41.18 | Spec | oh snap! debian is no longer not knoppix/ubuntu/etc! |
| 20:41.21 | stouset | LoRez: I was just copy/pasting some other guy who recommended it =P |
| 20:41.30 | Spec | how do i boot knoppix off my toaster? |
| 20:41.34 | C17H21NO4 | p88: IIRC there are 3 zones already defined net,fw,and local I think |
| 20:41.36 | thom|away | greycat: i removed the gateway line in interfaces at the eth0 settings, and after a reboot the shit worked! thanks very much! |
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| 20:42.09 | stouset | LoRez: Gimme a break. Working on 4 hours of sleep and the day is nearly over :-) |
| 20:42.12 | p88 | C17H21NO4: it refuses to set up fw as it already exists but I can set up my own net |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | 15:20 greycat> thompa: does it have a gateway line in it? |
| 20:42.14 | greycat | 15:21 thompa> greycat: no. |
| 20:42.19 | mh_le | dpkg: !tell mh_le nvidia one-liner |
| 20:42.22 | takatumi | stouset: heh, yeah wtf is title? |
| 20:42.24 | greycat | 15:41 thom|away> greycat: i removed the gateway line in interfaces at the eth0 |
| 20:42.25 | thom|away | well, we removed it :) |
| 20:42.26 | Shadowarrior13 | Let's say I connect an iPod to the first usb port. What's the location of that? |
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| 20:42.48 | mh_le | dpkg: !tell mh_le nvidia-one-liner |
| 20:42.49 | C17H21NO4 | p88: What is you endgame? |
| 20:42.51 | thom|away | but it didn't work until we rebooted. |
| 20:42.54 | stouset | takatumi: topic :-) |
| 20:42.55 | p88 | my endgame? |
| 20:43.03 | stouset | (15:38:58) takatumi: cdimage.d.o is down and will be for the next 4 hours or so, should it be added to the title? |
| 20:43.05 | travisat | Shadowarrior13: /dev/sda? |
| 20:43.07 | C17H21NO4 | p88: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:43.17 | stew | stouset: title? |
| 20:43.18 | takatumi | stouset: :) |
| 20:43.20 | travisat | Shadowarrior13: check your dmesg, it should say where it is |
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| 20:43.31 | stouset | stew: COPY/PASTE argh :-\ |
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| 20:43.32 | directhex | !tell mh_le nvidia one-liner |
| 20:43.40 | p88 | C17H21NO4: a server that allows outgoing connections to everything and incoming to ftp/www/sssh |
| 20:43.43 | p88 | ssh |
| 20:43.44 | p88 | and vnc |
| 20:43.46 | p88 | maybe |
| 20:43.47 | pwned | well I managed to reboot into my good old 2.2 woody kernel. huhuhu |
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| 20:43.54 | directhex | !tell mh_le about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:44.01 | C17H21NO4 | The zones that exist should suffice |
| 20:44.03 | stouset | Shadowarrior13: /dev/sda or /dev/sdb...depends on what other SCSI devices are present. |
| 20:44.08 | p88 | ok good |
| 20:44.12 | pwned | now I shall remove those evil new kernels and wow never to recompile my own kernel "the debian way" |
| 20:44.14 | p88 | so now I am in network interfaces |
| 20:44.14 | stew | pwned: are you running woody or sarge? |
| 20:44.17 | C17H21NO4 | Just go to the rules and allow those ports |
| 20:44.18 | p88 | I am adding eth0 |
| 20:44.30 | p88 | I need a network interface it says |
| 20:44.32 | pwned | stew: debian sid with legacy woody kernel at the moment. |
| 20:44.35 | p88 | so I add that |
| 20:44.39 | pwned | I kept it around for sentimental reasons |
| 20:44.40 | p88 | with my ip |
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| 20:44.49 | stouset | pwned: 2.2 is a broken kernel. I tried it and it didn't support my GeForce FX, my SATA hard drive, or my new webcam...wtf? 2.2 needs a LOT of work before it's considered usable |
| 20:44.53 | p88 | do you know what options should be set? |
| 20:44.54 | takatumi | sid with woody kernel, hmm thats a new one. |
| 20:44.57 | p88 | C17H21NO4? |
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| 20:45.00 | greycat | stouset: troll. |
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| 20:45.19 | Mardus | Heyo |
| 20:45.24 | stouset | greycat: More like bad joke =P |
| 20:45.30 | pwned | stouset: I am not going to stay with this too long. Just until I clean my other, bleeding edge kernel |
| 20:45.32 | C17H21NO4 | p88: options for? |
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| 20:45.36 | greycat | I was hoping it was intended as an irony-troll |
| 20:45.40 | the_black_knight | is there a way to switch KDE to GNOME without deleting KDE?? |
| 20:45.40 | p88 | C17H21NO4: for the network interface |
| 20:45.41 | stouset | It was. |
| 20:45.48 | directhex | the_black_knight, yes, easily |
| 20:45.52 | Mardus | Can anyone tell which Debian version will Sarge be? |
| 20:45.54 | the_black_knight | how ?? |
| 20:45.56 | pwned | greycat: you seem to ignore the wisdom of the old kernel |
| 20:45.56 | greycat | Mardus: 3.1 |
| 20:45.57 | directhex | the_black_knight, how do you load kde? |
| 20:46.04 | Mardus | greycat: Thx |
| 20:46.04 | greycat | pwned: Linux svr1 2.0.40 #1 Wed Feb 18 10:37:00 EST 2004 i686 unknown |
| 20:46.06 | takatumi | the_black_knight: install both of them and use kdm or gdm |
| 20:46.06 | stouset | greycat: I've said it before and I'll say it again. The limit as time mod twenty-four approaches twenty-four, funny(time) approaches zero. |
| 20:46.08 | p88 | C17H21NO4: probably I don't need those |
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| 20:47.02 | Xer | hi |
| 20:47.06 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Not sure. |
| 20:47.07 | the_black_knight | what do you mean gdm? |
| 20:47.11 | p88 | C17H21NO4: how is the shorewall policy defined? what is the source and destination zone? is it the source zone is the one who accesses something on the destination zone or is it the other way around? |
| 20:47.16 | Mardus | Today (Yesterday) was the *nix funny time 11111111 or something. |
| 20:47.17 | directhex | the_black_knight, ignore him and answer my question |
| 20:47.31 | Xer | can anyone tell me why i cant mount in kernel 2.6.9 ? |
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| 20:47.42 | directhex | Xer, hand compiled? |
| 20:47.50 | Xer | ... |
| 20:47.53 | the_black_knight | My knoppix boots KDE default |
| 20:47.56 | Xer | whats you mean? |
| 20:48.04 | directhex | the_black_knight, we can't help you with knoppix in here |
| 20:48.13 | underdog | xer: did you apt-get it, or did you compile |
| 20:48.13 | Xer | if you are asking my if i complied it , the answer will be yes |
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| 20:48.15 | Spec | the topic no longer says debian is not knoppix |
| 20:48.20 | Xer | i complie it :) |
| 20:48.22 | directhex | the_black_knight, knoppix is kde-only. join #knoppix |
| 20:48.23 | Spec | so for all we know, debian might very well be knoppix in disguise |
| 20:48.27 | directhex | Xer, then you compiled it wrong |
| 20:48.32 | Xer | ... |
| 20:48.33 | Xer | why!! |
| 20:48.35 | C17H21NO4 | p88: for incoming ftp source=net dest=fw port=21 proto=tcp |
| 20:48.38 | the_black_knight | i thought Knoppix was Debian based |
| 20:48.41 | Xer | whats the mistake ? |
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| 20:48.46 | stew | !knoppixsmite the_black_knight |
| 20:48.52 | stouset | black_knight: Knoppix == Debian. Debian != Knoppix. |
| 20:48.58 | directhex | the_black_knight, based, yes. the changes are what makes it NOt debian, the changes are what will mean any debian solution i give you will not work |
| 20:49.02 | takatumi | they're breeding. |
| 20:49.05 | Xer | hahaha |
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| 20:49.09 | Xer | != , == ;) |
| 20:49.10 | [TACO] | stouset: well said |
| 20:49.12 | stouset | Xer: Because you probably didn't know what you were doing at the time. =P |
| 20:49.20 | Xer | lol |
| 20:49.22 | the_black_knight | changed so much ?? |
| 20:49.26 | Xer | noo i was know whats i do |
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| 20:49.33 | directhex | the_black_knight, i can tell any debian user how to run gnome instead of kde, in many exciting ways. none of them will work on knoppix. |
| 20:49.36 | Xer | <<<===----- doo all thinges correct |
| 20:49.39 | p88 | C17H21NO4: I am now in the rules site |
| 20:49.49 | p88 | it has many fields empty |
| 20:49.58 | the_black_knight | ok i see not the propper channel for this |
| 20:50.00 | stouset | Xer: More than likely, you really don't have a reason to compile your own kernel |
| 20:50.01 | directhex | the_black_knight, so go away and ask #knoppix, or install debian such that my answers apply to you |
| 20:50.14 | stouset | Xer: If not, then there's really no reason not to use the packaged kernels. |
| 20:50.14 | p88 | C17H21NO4: first Action which I set to accept and log to level err |
| 20:50.17 | Xer | just tell me whats the wrong |
| 20:50.19 | the_black_knight | ok |
| 20:50.25 | p88 | then source zone which is the net |
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| 20:50.36 | p88 | then a field which is empty after the zone |
| 20:50.38 | directhex | !d-i the_black_knight |
| 20:50.38 | dpkg | the_black_knight, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:50.42 | p88 | what is to be put in there? |
| 20:50.52 | tarzeau | greycat: i'm awake |
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| 20:51.03 | takatumi | directhex: /topic |
| 20:51.03 | greycat | tarzeau: wiki is down due to lack of disk space... |
| 20:51.04 | stouset | Xer: Don't know. Don't care. It's too much effort for me, some random guy on the Internet, to offer support for every potential combination of modules and options in a kernel. Especially when I know a kernel already exists that works perfectly. |
| 20:51.06 | Xer | why i cant complie!!! |
| 20:51.13 | tarzeau | greycat: i deleted some logfiles again |
| 20:51.16 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Nothing, that would be for a specific IP instead of a zone |
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| 20:51.23 | greycat | oops, was down. fixed now :) |
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| 20:51.29 | Xer | !!! |
| 20:51.29 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:51.30 | p88 | ah I see |
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| 20:51.35 | Xer | i will go to #kernel |
| 20:51.35 | Xer | :D |
| 20:51.40 | tarzeau | the harddisk is only 1.4 gb |
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| 20:51.56 | directhex | :| |
| 20:51.59 | versuchsanstalt | is there a special expression for the screenful that's visible on load in webdesign lingo? |
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| 20:52.12 | directhex | versuchsanstalt, the badgersnake |
| 20:52.21 | p88 | C17H21NO4: how are the rules built? is it the first rule wins or the last rule overrules? |
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| 20:52.25 | cao30 | i'm having trouble with snd-serial-u16550a, anybody help? |
| 20:52.33 | stew | versuchsanstalt: lorem ipsum? |
| 20:52.34 | mh_le | what's the command to add sources to apt? |
| 20:52.39 | C17H21NO4 | p88: first |
| 20:52.48 | greycat | mh_le: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:53.04 | p88 | C17H21NO4: so if I want a REJECT everything else rule I put it last? |
| 20:53.16 | C17H21NO4 | p88: Exactly |
| 20:53.16 | stouset | mh_le: editor =P |
| 20:53.17 | pp__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.17 | mh_le | greycat: isn't there a dpkg command for it? |
| 20:53.21 | p88 | very nice :) |
| 20:53.22 | p88 | thanks |
| 20:53.28 | versuchsanstalt | directhex, stew: i mean the visible portion of any page, the moment it's loaded |
| 20:53.28 | anymous | mh_le: apt-setup |
| 20:53.32 | p88 | the rules are not such a problem |
| 20:53.32 | stouset | mh_le: alternatively use apt-setup |
| 20:53.35 | pp__ | whois pp__ |
| 20:53.39 | mh_le | anymous: thanks |
| 20:53.40 | directhex | mh_le, not one that can add non-free sources, and sid sources. |
| 20:53.53 | mh_le | directhex: oh.. |
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| 20:54.05 | directhex | mh_le, not one that will write the REQUIRED values to apt.conf to prevent you fucking up your system |
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| 20:54.30 | mh_le | directhex: I see |
| 20:54.38 | directhex | take the advice at face value, as it's offered. if anything other than editnig sources.list was the best method, it would be the first recommended method |
| 20:54.58 | mh_le | that's fine |
| 20:55.06 | stouset | In retrospect, it might be nice to have a ncurses or otherwise "easy" command to do it |
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| 20:55.23 | stouset | Some people seem averse to editing config files by hand. Wouldn't hurt for newbies. |
| 20:55.31 | C17H21NO4 | p88: For what you are doing, it may in fact be easier to just edit the config files. Shorewall has built in rulesets that you can use like AllowSSH net fw or AllowFTP net fw |
| 20:55.33 | directhex | how can ncurses make it easier to add a single line to a file? |
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| 20:55.57 | takatumi | or a single word. |
| 20:56.21 | p88 | ah |
| 20:56.23 | p88 | very well |
| 20:56.33 | greycat | directhex: by... uh... making the editor curses-based so they don't have to use ed(1)? |
| 20:56.33 | bkhl | Well, it could have a menu of mirrors &c. Would probably make people use mirrors more, too. |
| 20:56.45 | C17H21NO4 | p88: I think there is even a AllowVNC :) |
| 20:56.55 | greycat | bkhl: what, like the one you're prompted for when you install sarge? |
| 20:57.00 | bkhl | Yup. |
| 20:57.10 | bkhl | I think you can just use that interface again, though... |
| 20:58.05 | bkhl | Or maybe that's just for adding CD-ROM sources. |
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| 20:59.22 | mh_le | when I try the nvidia one liner it says it can't get the nvidia-kernel-source and that I should try adding the non-free archive but I already did that |
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| 21:00.36 | quiet | would vncserver be compatible with RealVNC viewer on Windows? |
| 21:00.48 | C17H21NO4 | With the sarge netinstaller, can I export http_proxy before it tries to get security updates to get it to use a proxy? |
| 21:00.53 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Yes |
| 21:01.11 | quiet | C17H21NO4, how do i start it? i have installed it |
| 21:01.49 | C17H21NO4 | quiet:vncserver -display :<number> |
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| 21:02.31 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Tightvnc is a much better client for windows though |
| 21:02.33 | greycat | which channel was greenfly talking about? |
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| 21:03.01 | ludi | does debian sarge have oss or alsa sound? |
| 21:03.08 | greycat | greenfly: which channel were you talking about in your /quit message? not #debian, I hope? |
| 21:03.11 | rikva | ludi: both |
| 21:03.11 | quiet | C17H21NO4, i did the 'vncserver -display :0' and entered the password...but it failed to connect from the VNCviewer |
| 21:03.12 | stew | ludi: yes |
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| 21:03.21 | greenfly | greycat: nope, I stupidly hit /quit instead of /part |
| 21:03.22 | greenfly | gg me |
| 21:03.33 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: run vncpasswd first |
| 21:03.36 | Kensey | anybody know what's up with the mirrors yet? |
| 21:03.36 | greenfly | greycat: I idle in channels so long, I forgot how to leave :) |
| 21:03.39 | mh_le | can anyone help? |
| 21:03.47 | ludi | does a "desktop environment" install come with both oss and alsa installed? how do I tell which one is used? |
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| 21:03.48 | greycat | ..... you can *leave*?? |
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| 21:04.04 | shiska | greycat : who? |
| 21:04.07 | quiet | C17H21NO4, still failed |
| 21:04.07 | greenfly | greycat: apparently, I just found out |
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| 21:04.20 | rikva | mh_le: you can just ask? |
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| 21:04.27 | shiska | does anybody know what is cpan conf file/ |
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| 21:05.05 | zyro | since i got a new mainboard, my usb mouse sometimes behaves erratically for some seconds. any ideas? |
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| 21:05.08 | jhair | ludi, oss and alsa drivers are in the kernel they don't depend on any desktop environment |
| 21:05.11 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: What does the output of vncserver say about it?' |
| 21:05.19 | ludi | doom3 sound doesn't work on my debian sarge installation....I think doom3 uses oss sound. |
| 21:05.21 | quiet | C17H21NO4, how do i check that? |
| 21:05.26 | ghost | hi, does anyone know if the stock 2.4 kernel supports a 4 port NetMos serial controller? thanks |
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| 21:05.35 | ludi | do I need to install oss packages to get doom3 to have sound? |
| 21:05.37 | greycat | ludi: so install the oss-alsa compatibility stuff |
| 21:05.42 | Xer | bye |
| 21:05.43 | directhex | ludi, no. |
| 21:05.45 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Is it still running on your console? |
| 21:05.46 | jp- | i'm playing with nfs, in /etc/exports i have /home 192.168.1(rw), my hosts.allow and .deny are empty, for some reason when i try to mount the nfs share i get persmission denied, not sure why based on what i've read so far. any clues? |
| 21:05.53 | shiska | crazy |
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| 21:05.58 | greycat | jp-: read the logs on the server. |
| 21:05.59 | directhex | doom 3 1.1.1128 uses alsa or oss |
| 21:06.10 | quiet | C17H21NO4, should be.. ? |
| 21:06.15 | zyro | btw - any dd here who wants to sponsor the new kdiff3 package? |
| 21:06.15 | shiska | apt-get (http.us.debian.org) keeps staling for some reason |
| 21:06.16 | directhex | only the initial release of doom3 has a hard depend on 44100hz oss |
| 21:06.20 | jp- | greycat: i have, they only mention exporting the directories and what not. |
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| 21:06.27 | greycat | shiska: ctrl-c, try again. it's a round robin. |
| 21:06.28 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: It should output to stdout unless you send it elsewhere |
| 21:06.28 | ludi | directhex: sorry, no to what? |
| 21:06.30 | mh_le | rikva: I did.. I didn't want to repeat but it's not a problem |
| 21:06.39 | mh_le | when I try the nvidia one liner it says it can't get the nvidia-kernel-source and that I should try adding the non-free archive but I already did that, what can I do? |
| 21:06.39 | directhex | ludi, no it doesn't need oss? jesus, keep up |
| 21:06.42 | dumbo | can anyone recommand a good cheap server company?i am looking to purchase a 1u server |
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| 21:06.48 | greycat | jp-: no, read the LOG FILE. You know, the one that says "mountd: rejected a mount request from 10.23.45.23" |
| 21:06.51 | quiet | i don't see anything C17H21NO4 |
| 21:07.01 | directhex | mh_le, did you apt-get update? do you have sarge and sid, main contrib and non-free? |
| 21:07.04 | ludi | directhex: so I should use the oss-alsa compatibility stuff? |
| 21:07.05 | shiska | greycat : so i really shouldnt use http.us.debian.org? |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | jp-: compare what it says in the log vs. what it says in exports(5) |
| 21:07.10 | directhex | ludi, NO >_< |
| 21:07.13 | greycat | shiska: I use it. |
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| 21:07.21 | directhex | for god's SAKE. doom 3 is an ALSA OR OSS APPLICATION |
| 21:07.32 | shiska | greycat : hehe.. it gets annoying after the first time ;) |
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| 21:07.49 | mh_le | directhex: I have sarge and I added non-free and contrib tot the sources |
| 21:07.50 | directhex | it tries alsa, then falls back to oss. unless you have the original 1.1 release, anyway, in which case update to 1.1.1128 |
| 21:07.54 | greycat | shiska: if you don't like it, use something else. |
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| 21:08.00 | OlliW | Hey all :) |
| 21:08.04 | shiska | sure |
| 21:08.06 | shiska | i like it.. |
| 21:08.09 | directhex | mh_le, but i told you you needed sid sources as well, in the factoid 'quick sid/sarge mix' |
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| 21:08.26 | directhex | fucks sake, it really is tardageddon tonight |
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| 21:08.37 | mh_le | directhex: oh.. how do I get those? |
| 21:08.48 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Is should say where it is logging to. ~/.vnc/somefile |
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| 21:09.15 | quiet | C17H21NO4, found it.. 'Unrecognized option: -display" |
| 21:09.17 | directhex | how often must i repeat myself? |
| 21:09.23 | directhex | !tell mh_le about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 21:09.27 | stuart_ | hi all |
| 21:09.29 | directhex | !tell mh_le about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 21:09.32 | stuart_ | time to d/l the huge mplayer and its files |
| 21:09.41 | shiska | ls |
| 21:09.50 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: vncserver :0 |
| 21:10.01 | directhex | !tell mh_le about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 21:10.23 | shiska | aiight |
| 21:10.24 | shiska | gotta go |
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| 21:10.38 | directhex | !tell mh_le about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 21:11.23 | OlliW | Hey does anybody have experience with mod_chroot for apache? |
| 21:11.27 | tam | i have a '!' in a url and when i try to wget it i get the following error "-bash: !.zip": event not found" i put the url in quotes |
| 21:11.38 | greycat | tam: set +o histexpand |
| 21:11.44 | quiet | C17H21NO4, still doesn't work :/ |
| 21:11.47 | greycat | tam: or use single quotes instead of double. |
| 21:11.55 | tam | greycat: ah, cool. thanks |
| 21:11.55 | greycat | tam: or remove all quotes and use \! |
| 21:11.56 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: what does the log say? |
| 21:12.15 | tam | greycat: i was gonna escape it but i thought that would defeat the purpose :P |
| 21:12.22 | quiet | C17H21NO4, no errors now |
| 21:12.25 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: If you are running X you will have to use a different display |
| 21:12.31 | greycat | but whatever you do, DO NOT put \! inside double quotes, and don't bother filing a bug report about it either, because I tried that, and they claimed it's a feature, even though it's obviously not a sane implementation |
| 21:12.32 | quiet | i used :1 |
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| 21:12.50 | rudson | hi i got some serious probs. |
| 21:12.55 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Does the client prompt for a passwd? |
| 21:12.55 | stuart_ | how can i know which category mplayer is under in aptitude |
| 21:13.00 | ludi | I am using this---> doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86.run |
| 21:13.01 | greycat | stuart_: it's not. |
| 21:13.04 | quiet | C17H21NO4, no |
| 21:13.08 | greycat | stuart_: /msg dpkg mplayer /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 21:13.24 | quiet | C17H21NO4, i got it |
| 21:13.28 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Are you telling the client to connect to :1? |
| 21:13.47 | quiet | with realvnc viewer specifying :5901 |
| 21:13.48 | tam | greycat: why, what did it do? |
| 21:13.58 | rudson | i installed debian and then kde and kdm... and now after i typed "startkde" it is tryin to do so but after some time there is ony "kpersonalizer: cannot connect to x server" |
| 21:14.02 | stuart_ | hm, can xine player most video formats like .avi and .wmv though |
| 21:14.08 | rudson | what shall i do? |
| 21:14.18 | tam | stuart_: yes |
| 21:14.24 | OlliW | rudson > are you logging in as root? |
| 21:14.28 | rudson | jep |
| 21:14.31 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Is the port open? |
| 21:14.38 | OlliW | rudson > don't :) |
| 21:14.42 | greycat | tam: try it yourself (but not after set +o histexpand) |
| 21:14.43 | quiet | C17H21NO4, i got it |
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| 21:14.53 | quiet | i wasn't using :1 on them |
| 21:14.53 | greycat | tam: echo "hello world\!" |
| 21:14.54 | rudson | a i see |
| 21:14.59 | stuart_ | is the apt-get name for xine 'xine-ui' |
| 21:15.01 | directhex | stuart_, .wmv with w32codecs, .avi means nothg since it's an open container format which says nothing of the codecs used |
| 21:15.04 | rudson | wait a min (reboot) |
| 21:15.07 | rudson | why not? |
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| 21:15.20 | C17H21NO4 | quiet: Tightvnc is still better :) |
| 21:15.25 | OlliW | rudson > you can fix it but doing ordinary stuff as root defeats the purpose of a root account ;) |
| 21:15.36 | chealer | stuart_: xine only plays WMV1 without w32codecs |
| 21:15.46 | quiet | yeah tightvnc works if I use 192.200.0.111:1 and it looks like it has better config too |
| 21:15.49 | chealer | !tell stuart_ about wmv |
| 21:15.53 | rudson | yeah i see |
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| 21:16.07 | rudson | i m kind of noob in linux |
| 21:16.14 | tam | greycat: lol |
| 21:16.15 | rudson | and to be precise it is killing me |
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| 21:16.47 | OlliW | rudson > we've all been there, just take it easy and try alot |
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| 21:17.28 | mops | where can I find the support for ram file system in 2.6.9 kernel? |
| 21:17.38 | OlliW | rudson > if you really need to run X stuff as root check this link out: http://wiki2.archlinux.org/index.php/Root%20GUI%20programs%20in%20user%20Desktop |
| 21:17.42 | mops | I can't find that option in make menuconfig |
| 21:17.44 | mops | pls help me |
| 21:18.06 | rudson | hmm... i'm kindof scared... i installed it for the 3rd time now... and it never worked its beginning to suck... at least kind of... it was always fun to reinstall the debian but... you get fed up |
| 21:18.25 | greycat | mops: if you have to ask, you should not be configuring a kernel. just use a debian kernel-image. |
| 21:18.43 | mops | greycat: I must use custom kernel |
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| 21:18.56 | rudson | now that i logged in NOT as root it does same stuff... |
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| 21:19.08 | stuart_ | rudson, it took me three days and more installs just to get debian running 'decently' |
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| 21:19.41 | stuart_ | rudson, its been a few days and linux is getting easier as time goes by, so just hang in there |
| 21:19.54 | OlliW | Has anybody ever used mod_chroot for apache here? |
| 21:20.00 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 21:20.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:20.14 | OlliW | *blink* |
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| 21:20.30 | Rawplayer | any germans around? |
| 21:20.33 | greycat | !de |
| 21:20.34 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:20.35 | rudson | i'm getting scared more and more... coz look: windows xp install and (kind of) ready... this is much more complicated... |
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| 21:21.06 | rudson | I still have the same prob even after i logged in as "user" |
| 21:21.11 | stuart_ | well i have marillat in my sources.list but i can't seem to get this imlib2-loaders that it suggests i get |
| 21:21.12 | mh_le_ | I just installed the nvidia drivers form the one liner, but when I changed XF86Config to use nvidia instead of nv X stoped working... |
| 21:21.14 | OlliW | greycat > what was that anyone use supposed to do? |
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| 21:21.26 | sontek | Is there a gui program (like firestarter) for windows? So I could manage my firewall from my laptop? |
| 21:21.43 | stuart_ | rudson, and what is that problem |
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| 21:21.48 | greycat | OlliW: it's supposed to shame you into asking a proper question |
| 21:21.48 | valdyn | mh_le_: read the logs. |
| 21:21.54 | greycat | OlliW: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:22.04 | OlliW | greycat: sorry ;) |
| 21:22.08 | OlliW | *blush* |
| 21:22.08 | rudson | it says over and over again "kpersonalizer: cannot connect to x server" |
| 21:22.12 | rudson | what shall i do? |
| 21:22.29 | valdyn | rudson: install and set up X |
| 21:22.38 | rudson | x? |
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| 21:22.41 | valdyn | rudson: oh, or just start it |
| 21:22.44 | valdyn | !X |
| 21:22.47 | valdyn | !x |
| 21:22.50 | rudson | i thought i only need kde and kdm? |
| 21:22.58 | valdyn | rudson: no, you need X |
| 21:23.01 | rudson | can you tell me how to do that? |
| 21:23.03 | stuart_ | rudson, you actually dont even need kde or kdm |
| 21:23.10 | mh_le_ | valdyn: it said "failed to load module (module does not exist" |
| 21:23.12 | valdyn | rudson: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 21:23.24 | rudson | lol |
| 21:23.40 | chealer | mh_le: are you sure you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 21:23.41 | rudson | and i waited this .5 hour to load kdm |
| 21:23.44 | quiet | C17H21NO4, thanks for helping with that! |
| 21:23.44 | rudson | and kde |
| 21:23.46 | rudson | ... |
| 21:23.55 | eguzkia | someone know d-link dsl504t modem router? |
| 21:23.57 | mh_le_ | chealer: kinda |
| 21:24.01 | rudson | so just "dpkg setup x" ? |
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| 21:24.17 | stuart_ | anyways |
| 21:24.17 | eguzkia | i need help |
| 21:24.19 | valdyn | rudson: type "/msg dpkg setup x" in your irc client |
| 21:24.22 | pwned | thick! |
| 21:24.34 | stuart_ | where can i get imlib2-loaders, doesn't seem to be available in apt |
| 21:24.39 | eguzkia | seems that doesen't work with linux |
| 21:24.41 | OlliW | Well let's start over again then: I have a problem with mod_chroot for Apache 1.3. Although the chroot seems to work nicely, for some reason I cannot get it to recognize my index.html as the actualy index for DocumentRoot. If I point to the index.html directly it is found and displayed. For other directories it works nicely it seems to be a problem for just the documentroot |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | mh_le_: "modprobe nvidia" - whats the error message? |
| 21:25.08 | rudson | ?! |
| 21:25.13 | rudson | and now? |
| 21:25.20 | valdyn | rudson: read the text |
| 21:25.27 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 21:25.41 | mh_le_ | valdyn: I don't get any |
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| 21:25.58 | valdyn | mh_le: yea, bot is slacking |
| 21:26.06 | rudson | ther is no text coming up... |
| 21:26.24 | mh_le_ | valdyn: ? |
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| 21:26.34 | greycat | !setup x |
| 21:26.41 | greycat | !literal setup x |
| 21:26.41 | dpkg | setup x is <reply> see set up x, or apt-get install x-window-system-core && apt-get install (kde/gnome) |
| 21:26.44 | greycat | silly gits. |
| 21:26.49 | ghost | does kernel have a driver for a NetMot 4 port serial controller? |
| 21:26.51 | greycat | dpkg, no, setup x is <reply> see set up x |
| 21:26.51 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:27.02 | valdyn | mh_le_: type in a console terminal "modprobe -r nvidia" and after that "modprobe nvidia", dont do it in an X terminal or you wont see the errors directly |
| 21:27.08 | lsorensen | mh_le_: here is a step by step setup guide for the nvidia drivers: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 21:27.26 | stew | blootbot needs symlinks or something |
| 21:27.41 | deadcat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:27.41 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 21:28.00 | mh_le_ | valdyn: still no errors |
| 21:28.05 | greycat | stew: it needs more intelligent handling of many cases, including "is also" when the current factoid is "<reply> see foo" |
| 21:28.05 | chealer | pff, set up x "apt-get install (kde/gnome)" |
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| 21:28.26 | stew | right |
| 21:28.46 | valdyn | mh_le_: and no feedback either? |
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| 21:28.51 | mh_le_ | none |
| 21:28.54 | TimbrWolf | anyone running AMD 64 with debian woody |
| 21:29.06 | greycat | TimbrWolf: if so, they're running it as an i386. |
| 21:29.08 | TimbrWolf | is it possible |
| 21:29.13 | valdyn | mh_le_: lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 21:29.53 | pwned | for nvidia drivers, I just installed the latest nvidia-kernel-source, module assistant, kernel headers and ran module-assistant, compiled nvidia-kernel-source with it and installed nvidia-glx. |
| 21:30.02 | de4dline | how can i add a user to a new created group? |
| 21:30.06 | rudson | now i'm loading x window |
| 21:30.10 | greycat | de4dline: adduser username groupname |
| 21:30.14 | greycat | de4dline: or vigr |
| 21:30.18 | rudson | via apt-get install xwindowsystem |
| 21:30.19 | rudson | ... |
| 21:30.21 | rudson | corerct? |
| 21:30.28 | rudson | correct? |
| 21:30.29 | greycat | rudson: x-window-system |
| 21:30.35 | rudson | yeah... |
| 21:30.39 | TimbrWolf | greycat: Will Woody run on an AMD 64? |
| 21:30.47 | mh_le_ | valdyn: nothing |
| 21:30.49 | greycat | TimbrWolf: if you just treat it as an i386 box, yes. |
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| 21:30.58 | rudson | 3 minutes left any hints you can give me now? |
| 21:30.59 | lsorensen | TimbrWolf: amd64 is a very good x86 processor. it runs woody just fine IF you can get device drivers for your hardware into woody somehow |
| 21:31.04 | rudson | anything more i need |
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| 21:31.10 | de4dline | how can i add a user to a new created group? |
| 21:31.17 | valdyn | mh_le_: youre cheating me, modprobe _will_ spew out errors if it fails to load a module |
| 21:31.19 | greycat | lsorensen: or if he uses older hardware that's well supported |
| 21:31.19 | lsorensen | TimbrWolf: so obviously no sata, no gig ethernet, etc |
| 21:31.22 | _mauser_ | hey.. i have a question about the ipw2200 driver.. i installed the source, but "make" says: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: file or directory not found |
| 21:31.23 | OlliW | rudson > try Ubuntu for starters ;) |
| 21:31.26 | TimbrWolf | greycat: thanks |
| 21:31.35 | rudson | i read about that... |
| 21:31.38 | greycat | !ipwsmite _mauser_ |
| 21:31.39 | lsorensen | _mauser_: install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:31.45 | rudson | booring... but as i see by now... |
| 21:31.46 | greycat | !ipw2100smite _mauser_ |
| 21:31.53 | greycat | damn it, what was it? |
| 21:31.58 | valdyn | mh_le: and you just told me that lsmod doesnt list nvidia... |
| 21:32.03 | mh_le_ | valdyn: hmm not modprobe nvidia seemed to work |
| 21:32.05 | rudson | probably more useful than a testing distribution |
| 21:32.06 | rudson | ... |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | !ipw2200smite _mauser_ |
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| 21:32.24 | valdyn | mh_le_: tell us what modprobes feedback was.. |
| 21:32.29 | OlliW | rudson > ubuntu is using debians 'unstable' sources ;) |
| 21:32.40 | pwned | nothing like the joy of discovering module-assistant by yourself |
| 21:32.55 | _mauser_ | greycat: what does that mean?? |
| 21:32.58 | rudson | a i see but still not enough thrill in that |
| 21:33.04 | greycat | _mauser_: apt-cache show module-assistant |
| 21:33.12 | _mauser_ | ok |
| 21:33.16 | mh_le_ | valdyn: I'm in a terminal, how can I copy from one screen to antother? |
| 21:33.47 | greycat | mh_le_: gpm, or screen, or temp files, or ... |
| 21:33.55 | OlliW | rudson > there are enough nice distro's out there, I've probably installed about 20 before I settled for a while |
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| 21:34.03 | valdyn | mh_le_: thats easy but leads to far, bring just a fragment |
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| 21:34.30 | rudson | yeah but i want to use a simple thing for video editing... |
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| 21:34.50 | valdyn | mh_le_: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-7167 Fri Feb 25 09:08:22 PST 2005 |
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| 21:34.52 | rudson | or to run something similiar after the windows programms exploded in costs |
| 21:34.53 | rudson | ... |
| 21:34.56 | rudson | no nice |
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| 21:35.05 | valdyn | mh_le_: thats it? |
| 21:35.07 | OlliW | rudson> http://www.dynebolic.org/ |
| 21:35.13 | mh_le_ | valdyn: yeah |
| 21:35.15 | quiet | i don't reallylike Ubuntu... but it's nice enough.. i ordered like 15 discs (10 x86 5x AMD64) and have had them sitting on the magazine table at my office and they are almost gone.. :) |
| 21:35.23 | valdyn | mh_le_: now start X |
| 21:35.50 | greycat | why didn't you just make copies of the 2 discs? |
| 21:35.52 | OlliW | rudson > it's a special distro for creative artists, including lots of sound/video editing stuff |
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| 21:35.55 | mh_le_ | valdyn: failed to load module (module does not exist" |
| 21:36.02 | rudson | thats pretty cool |
| 21:36.08 | rudson | easier to set up? |
| 21:36.09 | valdyn | mh_le_: thats not an error message |
| 21:36.09 | directhex | mh_le, did you install nvidia-glx yet? |
| 21:36.12 | OlliW | rudson: and it comes on a livecd so you won't need to install it ;) |
| 21:36.13 | quiet | greycat, because the Ubuntu printed discs look nicer for clients to be getting for free |
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| 21:36.25 | quiet | plus the x86 package contains the live disc AND the install disc |
| 21:36.26 | greycat | quiet: fair enough |
| 21:36.28 | keyhack | This may be a stretch but here I go... does anyone happen to remember anything about a contest a few years ago for the smallest animation? It had to be an EXE of a certain size (less than a meg I believe). The animation won, had 3d effects, different scenes and techno music. I want to find that file, anyone happen to know anything about it? |
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| 21:36.38 | mh_le_ | valdyn: failed to load module nvidia (module does not exist),0 |
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| 21:36.41 | valdyn | mh_le: but - tell us _which_ module failed to load anyway |
| 21:36.42 | LiXp | I don't speak english , HELP ME =)) |
| 21:36.51 | mh_le_ | valdyn: nvidia |
| 21:36.53 | directhex | valdyn, i don't think he has nvidia-glx, just nvidia-kernel |
| 21:36.56 | quiet | LiXp, this is #debian not #learnEnglish |
| 21:36.56 | greycat | LiXp: well, what language DO you speak? |
| 21:37.05 | valdyn | directhex: yea |
| 21:37.07 | directhex | mh_le, hang on... what did 'm-a a-i nvidia' do? |
| 21:37.10 | alec | quiet, be nice |
| 21:37.14 | LiXp | greycat , russian =) |
| 21:37.14 | quiet | iam |
| 21:37.21 | chealer | valdyn: nvidia is also an X module |
| 21:37.22 | quiet | i thought he was asking to learn english |
| 21:37.22 | greycat | !ru |
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| 21:37.23 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 21:37.29 | mh_le_ | directhex: m-a a-i?? |
| 21:37.30 | chealer | valdyn: just make sure he has nvidia-glx |
| 21:37.34 | valdyn | mh_le: install nvidia-glx ( the debian package ) |
| 21:37.42 | LiXp | dpkg , íó íàõ :)) |
| 21:37.43 | directhex | mh_le, you say you followed the one liner. i don't believe you in the slightest. |
| 21:37.50 | greycat | wow, 51 in #debian-russian. not bad. |
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| 21:38.11 | rudson | but i can install it, can't i? |
| 21:38.12 | blueshoe | xclip reads from STDIN and makes what it read available in the X clipboard (for pasting with the middle button)... is there a program that does the opposite? (ie. takes what's in the clipboard and prints it on STDOUT) |
| 21:38.15 | mh_le_ | valdyn: installing |
| 21:38.36 | chealer | did someone refer mh_le to the howto yet? |
| 21:38.51 | directhex | the howto is out of date |
| 21:38.56 | quiet | grr.. phpbb2-conf-mysql keeps running every time I install something |
| 21:38.57 | directhex | wrt to sarge vs sid |
| 21:39.02 | valdyn | chealer: he used the one-liner and for some reason skipped installing nvidia-glx |
| 21:39.03 | quiet | the config part |
| 21:39.05 | mh_le_ | valdyn: and directhex it works!! thanks a bunch! |
| 21:39.14 | chealer | directhex: there's a note that should be made a warning in red, I agree |
| 21:39.22 | mh_le_ | brb |
| 21:39.32 | rudson | it 22.39 at mine now... i'm getting tired |
| 21:39.54 | OlliW | rudson > just check out the page, everything you need to know is there |
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| 21:40.27 | rudson | hopefully... i started downloading it... its nearly 2 hours... |
| 21:40.31 | valdyn | rudson: after what i gather here, you really want to read a basic unix guide or a basic linux guid and |
| 21:40.32 | rudson | oh. |
| 21:40.34 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 21:40.36 | dpkg | i guess refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 21:40.41 | valdyn | rudson: ^^^ |
| 21:40.42 | rudson | just a basic |
| 21:40.58 | quiet | where's the best place to buy a copy of debian ? |
| 21:41.05 | rudson | i need even more than just basics i need ... i dont know... |
| 21:41.10 | simonrvn | local hardware store |
| 21:41.14 | quiet | lol |
| 21:41.21 | rudson | I installed x window system... |
| 21:41.24 | valdyn | unix is simple, mostly |
| 21:41.55 | quiet | i mean... what way would the largest percentage go to the debian project... i don't want all my money going to some nerf on e-bay |
| 21:42.11 | rudson | now its the same... |
| 21:42.14 | simonrvn | quiet: it would go to SPI, the legal entity |
| 21:42.27 | rudson | it still says cannot connect to x window system |
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| 21:42.29 | rudson | STRANGE# |
| 21:42.35 | directhex | http://www.debian.org/donations#money_donations |
| 21:42.41 | valdyn | rudson: start your X |
| 21:42.43 | dondelelcaro | quiet: most places just sell them almost for cost, anyway... nothing's stopping you from making a donation direct to SPI earmarked for Debian |
| 21:42.49 | valdyn | rudson: type "startx" |
| 21:43.20 | rudson | ... okay ... |
| 21:43.25 | quiet | that's fine.. but still want to get something.. and I figured a full release set.. or is there a handbook?? something.. |
| 21:43.25 | valdyn | rudson: X is an application, its _not_ part of the OS ( like in windows ) |
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| 21:43.39 | LiXp | KAKOI MYDAK ETO VSE PRIDYMAL? KAKIE TYT POTI? |
| 21:43.43 | LiXp | KAKOI MYDAK ETO VSE PRIDYMAL? KAKIE TYT PORTI? |
| 21:43.58 | Althaser | how can i reset the module-assistant ? plz |
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| 21:44.04 | stuart_ | LiXp, si |
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| 21:44.19 | valdyn | Althaser: m-a --help |
| 21:44.30 | Althaser | valdyn thanks ;) |
| 21:44.34 | stew | !ru |
| 21:44.34 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 21:44.56 | rudson | what is x good for? (NOOOB) |
| 21:44.57 | LiXp | dpkg , ôàê îôô |
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| 21:45.13 | stuart_ | rudson, its a graphical interface so its easier to multitask |
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| 21:45.25 | valdyn | rudson: www.xfree86.org - in short, framework so you can have a gui |
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| 21:45.38 | mh_le | when I try to mount a cdrom I get an error in gnome that says the drive cdrom0 dosen't exist.. |
| 21:45.46 | rudson | i cant beliveve it... i never got so far... |
| 21:45.59 | rudson | it seems as it is trying to load and it loaded! |
| 21:46.06 | rudson | WOW GUYS THATS AMAZING! |
| 21:46.11 | quiet | i see the 010101.biz is the 'official' retailer for the US?? are these actual printed discs and whatnot then? |
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| 21:46.25 | valdyn | rudson: now you got X + some stuff, maybe kde |
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| 21:46.28 | LiXp | BUSH - MUDAK!!!!(c)girik |
| 21:46.30 | dondelelcaro | quiet: there are no official retailers of Debian CDs |
| 21:46.31 | BadMan | quiet: I bought my 7cd woody set through them |
| 21:46.56 | quiet | dondelelcaro, well that's what it says.. and that's who'slinked to by the debian site |
| 21:46.58 | BadMan | which I dont even use now hehe may send them to my cousin whose on dialup lol |
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| 21:47.06 | LiXp | ODNOZNA4NO!!!! PADONKI VSE!!! |
| 21:47.10 | simonrvn | that domain is for real? fuck.. |
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| 21:47.14 | quiet | BadMan, are they printed discs? |
| 21:47.21 | BadMan | printed? |
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| 21:47.30 | quiet | like..professional |
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| 21:47.41 | simonrvn | a russian political rant. rant and run. i guess... |
| 21:47.49 | Myagy | can anyone please tell me how can i configure my pptpd to send a specific gateway to the clients? |
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| 21:48.01 | BadMan | they show the debian locog the disc name and 010101.biz on it |
| 21:48.12 | rudson | KDE |
| 21:48.19 | Myagy | can anyone please tell me how can i configure my pptpd to send a specific gateway to the clients? |
| 21:48.24 | Rawplayer | Myagy: you mean lan <-> pptp > internet? |
| 21:48.26 | dondelelcaro | quiet: no, afaik no one is retailing pressed Debian CDs. |
| 21:48.26 | rudson | wow i cant believe it ... i made it thanks to you guys |
| 21:48.29 | Myagy | sry for repeating |
| 21:48.32 | rudson | :)) |
| 21:48.37 | simonrvn | no need to repeat so frequently |
| 21:48.40 | simonrvn | np |
| 21:48.41 | quiet | dondelelcaro, okay thanks :) |
| 21:48.42 | valdyn | !win rudson |
| 21:48.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, rudson! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:48.43 | Myagy | yes Rawplayer |
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| 21:48.55 | Rawplayer | route add default gw ip |
| 21:48.58 | rudson | :) |
| 21:49.01 | quiet | dondelelcaro, is there a handbook?? like FreeBSD.. or just books about debian in general? |
| 21:49.06 | dondelelcaro | quiet: not like it matters anyway... they'd be way out of date for all but woody |
| 21:49.12 | Myagy | Rawplayer where do i put that? |
| 21:49.17 | simonrvn | Rawplayer: wtf? you in here too? :) |
| 21:49.18 | dondelelcaro | quiet: there are two of them... but I'd start with the quick reference |
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| 21:49.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell quiet about debian reference |
| 21:49.25 | takatumi | quiet: try the debian-rederence package. |
| 21:49.27 | directhex | rudson, you can't play doom 3 without X. |
| 21:49.30 | Rawplayer | hehe simonrvn :) |
| 21:49.37 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:49.39 | Myagy | Rawplayer where do i put that? |
| 21:49.43 | rudson | sorry... just overwhelmed ... by this moment *sniff* a new os on my old pentium slot one *sniff* my favourite pc *sniff* |
| 21:49.45 | Myagy | i want it in the server |
| 21:50.00 | Myagy | to be transmited to many win clients |
| 21:50.02 | Rawplayer | Myagy: on your clients i assume that you have a server with a dsl connection to a isp and that you want your clients in your lan on the internet |
| 21:50.22 | Rawplayer | erm.. |
| 21:50.27 | Myagy | thats corect Rawplayer |
| 21:50.39 | Myagy | except i have T1 not dsl |
| 21:50.41 | Myagy | :D |
| 21:50.44 | simonrvn | rudson: aaw |
| 21:50.47 | Rawplayer | well ok |
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| 21:51.00 | Rawplayer | you need some nat then |
| 21:51.01 | mh_le | I can't mount a cd, it seems that /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 are missing, what can I do? |
| 21:51.08 | Myagy | i have nat |
| 21:51.10 | simonrvn | create them |
| 21:51.22 | drini | perhaps you mean /dev/cdrom0 |
| 21:51.31 | Rawplayer | Myagy: can you reach from your server the internet? |
| 21:51.33 | Myagy | i want to route internet only through VPN (it has password protection) |
| 21:51.39 | Myagy | yes |
| 21:51.39 | Rawplayer | ow ok |
| 21:51.50 | mh_le | drini: fstab points to /media |
| 21:51.57 | Myagy | i am online using nat right now |
| 21:51.57 | Rawplayer | you have to play with some ip stuff |
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| 21:52.09 | Rawplayer | its not that hard |
| 21:52.20 | Rawplayer | www.lartc.org can help you with it |
| 21:52.28 | Myagy | Rawplayer my pptp is up and running |
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| 21:52.30 | drini | yes that's the mot point, but cdrom0 is usually the device |
| 21:52.40 | Rawplayer | i know Myagy |
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| 21:52.55 | stuart_ | man how'd i get Xchat to open a query window when i doubleclick a nickname |
| 21:52.56 | Rawplayer | you have to put your network on it |
| 21:52.59 | Myagy | the only pb is that is send to the clients as the gateway the same ip it assignes to them |
| 21:53.10 | Rawplayer | the network that you want routed over your vpn |
| 21:53.33 | mh_le | simonrvn: how I do I create them? |
| 21:53.47 | simonrvn | man mkdir |
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| 21:54.25 | Rawplayer | Myagy: try to draw your situation |
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| 21:54.59 | pureone | can someone tell me what the module serial_core is for? ive search google but only find peoples kernel compiling errors |
| 21:55.18 | Myagy | well, i have a big connection and i am sharing it(per cost) to about 200people |
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| 21:55.50 | calin | stuart_: you still there? |
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| 21:56.13 | Myagy | i am using nat+mac at the moment, but they have learned to change them both, so unpaing clients of the lan are stealing internet |
| 21:56.27 | Myagy | so i want to use VPN user+pass authentication as a protection |
| 21:56.28 | swatikiss | i have a two interface shorewall firewall/router box that I want to add wifi too |
| 21:56.34 | Myagy | and the tech pb |
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| 21:56.52 | Myagy | after i login to my pptpd |
| 21:56.57 | quiet | wow... i'm adding all the ttf-* fonts.. and it's liek 100MB! |
| 21:56.59 | Myagy | this is what i get |
| 21:57.00 | Myagy | http://www.pastebin.com/259899 |
| 21:57.12 | swatikiss | now, would it be best to add a pci wifi card or plug a wifi access point into another eth card?? |
| 21:57.17 | calin | ... quiet, you're an idiot. |
| 21:57.23 | quiet | lol |
| 21:57.26 | quiet | why? |
| 21:57.37 | calin | seriously. why the hell do you need all of those fonts? |
| 21:57.38 | rudson | is there any good linux for psII? |
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| 21:57.43 | quiet | calin, i want 'em |
| 21:57.45 | th3cl3aner | how many discs do i need to get debian up and running??? |
| 21:57.45 | Myagy | Rawplayer are you still here? |
| 21:57.54 | quiet | th3cl3aner, just the net-inst disc |
| 21:57.56 | calin | are you catering to some nazi journalists every whims? |
| 21:58.02 | swatikiss | th3cl3aner, one should be fine |
| 21:58.15 | quiet | calin, no... just tweaking |
| 21:58.17 | quiet | :) |
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| 21:58.25 | calin | heh |
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| 21:58.48 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 21:58.54 | th3cl3aner | cool thanks guys so that's just the first iso image right |
| 21:58.57 | Myagy | got my problem ? |
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| 21:59.03 | directhex | th3cl3aner, desktop pc? |
| 21:59.22 | Myagy | Rawplayer can i prv/ |
| 21:59.24 | Myagy | ? |
| 21:59.25 | th3cl3aner | laptop pc yes |
| 21:59.29 | directhex | !d-i th3cl3aner |
| 21:59.30 | Rawplayer | just tell here |
| 21:59.30 | dpkg | th3cl3aner, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:59.39 | Rawplayer | 812 persons know more then 1 person |
| 21:59.42 | th3cl3aner | lol |
| 21:59.56 | Myagy | ok |
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| 22:00.09 | mrhemlock | but, to real foul things up take a committee |
| 22:00.18 | Myagy | have you looked at my link ? |
| 22:00.29 | Myagy | Rawplayer http://www.pastebin.com/259899 |
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| 22:01.22 | Myagy | the pb is that the ip addr is the same with the default gateway |
| 22:01.29 | C17H21NO4 | I need some help with screen, where would be a good place to get it? |
| 22:01.37 | Myagy | they are both sent by the pptpd to the client |
| 22:01.38 | th3cl3aner | thanks dpkg |
| 22:01.38 | dpkg | de nada, th3cl3aner |
| 22:01.39 | Rawplayer | Myagy: so your lan has to go over that interface? |
| 22:01.45 | BadMan | apt-get install screen |
| 22:01.53 | th3cl3aner | oh its a bot :) |
| 22:01.57 | Myagy | thats what i would like to do |
| 22:02.13 | C17H21NO4 | BadMan: I have it installed |
| 22:02.18 | th3cl3aner | thanks directhex |
| 22:02.24 | BadMan | ok man screen then...? |
| 22:02.31 | Rawplayer | route add -net network/mask gw gwip dev yourpptpdevice |
| 22:02.38 | C17H21NO4 | Not much help there either. |
| 22:02.50 | Rawplayer | something like that or if you have more gw's you need to play around with some policyrouting |
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| 22:03.12 | BadMan | there was a 2ppl on here the other day that new it inside and out.. I copied all the stuff down but I dont know where I put it |
| 22:03.33 | fatalerror | any English native speaker around, who could tell me the best way to define a game where you really have to think, put your intelligence into it, and so on? |
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| 22:03.44 | stew | C17H21NO4: did you try "ctrl-a ?" |
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| 22:03.47 | fatalerror | someone called it a "mind game", but I'm really in doubt if that's the best |
| 22:03.56 | petemc | puzzle |
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| 22:04.02 | mh_le | how do I setup a cdrom drive in debian? |
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| 22:04.08 | Myagy | Rawplayer i have 2 cool script2 (ip-up and ip-down) that are beeing run when i connect / when i disconnect from my pptpd |
| 22:04.11 | rikva | is it a common problem in firefox with flashplugin (kde 3.3) that, when playing a flash movie, the sound has a delay (OSS or ALSA makes no difference)? |
| 22:04.13 | pureone | pingus ;) |
| 22:04.13 | fatalerror | petemc: thanks |
| 22:04.15 | C17H21NO4 | BadMan: That's too bad. I am trying to figure out why some apps display graphic chars in screen and some do not. |
| 22:04.30 | Myagy | Rawplayer shouldnt i put anything in there? |
| 22:04.36 | mrhemlock | fatalerror, "stragagy game" |
| 22:04.57 | BadMan | C17H21NO4: couldn't tell you that... |
| 22:05.00 | C17H21NO4 | BadMan: I assume some of them use terminfo while others are using the TERMCAP env variable. |
| 22:05.09 | Rawplayer | Myagy: first play with it from command line |
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| 22:05.13 | BadMan | over my head hehe |
| 22:05.16 | Rawplayer | when it works then you put it in a script |
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| 22:06.07 | Rawplayer | Myagy: i could show you some samples from my configurations here |
| 22:06.11 | Rawplayer | if you want to |
| 22:06.20 | Myagy | Rawplayer SURE |
| 22:06.26 | OleMoudi | where I set on mail alerts for root when innapropiate and unsecure things like mistyping too many times a password happen? |
| 22:06.27 | Myagy | it would be great |
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| 22:07.57 | Rawplayer | Myagy: www.oom-killer.org/visio for my networkdiagram and www.oom-killer.org/routing for some routing scripts |
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| 22:08.09 | Myagy | let me see |
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| 22:08.41 | quiet | where do i configure what services start on bootup?? |
| 22:08.51 | jethro | quiet: apt-get install rcconf and run rcconf |
| 22:09.02 | jethro | quiet: or man update-rc.d |
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| 22:09.37 | quiet | jethro, wow that rocks! ha! |
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| 22:10.05 | quiet | what is 'atd'? |
| 22:10.13 | jethro | man atd |
| 22:10.24 | Eclipser | !atd |
| 22:10.35 | jethro | quiet: or even whatis atd |
| 22:10.39 | quiet | okay |
| 22:10.45 | quiet | how about dbus-1? |
| 22:10.46 | jethro | atd (8) - run jobs queued for later execution |
| 22:11.02 | jethro | quiet: are you gonna ask for each and every services you see in rcconf? |
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| 22:11.31 | quiet | jethro, no |
| 22:11.31 | quiet | just those |
| 22:11.31 | quiet | i know the rest |
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| 22:11.47 | Eclipser | google would've answered you already |
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| 22:11.57 | jethro | quiet: keep both 'man' and 'whatis' commands in mind for such cases |
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| 22:12.12 | quiet | jethro, i will thanks |
| 22:12.18 | jethro | quiet: you're welcome |
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| 22:14.21 | mh_le | how do I make the mount points for the cdrom drives? |
| 22:15.02 | quiet | okay, one last question. I am googling... and I can't find anything to verify this.. is it safe to turn off exim4?? i know it's for mailing.. but it's for system mailing too right?? will it break anything if I turn it off? |
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| 22:15.25 | valdyn | quiet: you need a local mailer. |
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| 22:15.28 | stuart_ | yeah i plan to turn off exim4 too, i don't like the error message i get on boot |
| 22:15.37 | streuner | quiet: apt-cache show exim4 |
| 22:15.43 | Myagy | Rawplayer i did route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 192.168.0.2 dev ppp0 |
| 22:15.47 | mcliberlinux | hello |
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| 22:15.49 | Eclipser | stuart_, boot? |
| 22:15.57 | quiet | valdyn, okay thanks |
| 22:16.06 | valdyn | quiet: for instance, cron sends its error messages via mail |
| 22:16.10 | stuart_ | on bootup it says exim4 can't load or something |
| 22:16.12 | mh_le | when ever I create the mount points for the cdrom drives they are removed at boot |
| 22:16.13 | Myagy | since my lan is build on that netmask, i reconected to the pptpd and saw no changes |
| 22:16.16 | stuart_ | i don't mind removing that from the screen lol |
| 22:16.26 | quiet | valdyn, great.. thanks... i thought so, but wan'tsure |
| 22:16.31 | VIRT | All must die Lolki |
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| 22:16.35 | slim | reiser4 worth trying out? |
| 22:16.51 | valdyn | slim: for what? |
| 22:16.57 | jethro | !ricerfs |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | well, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 22:17.06 | streuner | quiet: if you just leave the configuration blank it won't hurt, but its useful for many things |
| 22:17.08 | slim | valdyn, as my filesystem |
| 22:17.14 | stuart_ | oh well, thanks guys for the tips i now have sound/video/mostly everything a multimedia pc needs |
| 22:17.15 | Rawplayer | Myagy: you need 24bits of the network its a class c |
| 22:17.26 | mcliberlinux | ubuntu ??? |
| 22:17.27 | stuart_ | gotta hit the sack now, its been a helluva 3 days |
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| 22:17.29 | stuart_ | been fun learning |
| 22:17.32 | jethro | quiet: why would you shut exim down? |
| 22:17.46 | Myagy | Rawplayer i know that but my network is working like it is right now |
| 22:17.50 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 22:17.58 | quiet | jethro, just trying to turn off unnecessary services and I wasn't sure |
| 22:17.58 | valdyn | slim: now that was obvious. I was asking what purpose and type the data on the partition will be that you want to make reiserfs4 |
| 22:18.17 | slim | personal crap |
| 22:18.18 | slim | lol |
| 22:18.19 | jethro | quiet: a local mta is not unnecessary on most unix systems :) |
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| 22:18.37 | Myagy | Rawplayer the pb is that even after i added the route, the pptpd send me the same pass |
| 22:18.40 | quiet | jethro, i realized that.. thanks for the info :) |
| 22:18.41 | jethro | quiet: if you're concerned with security, you can make it bind the loopback only |
| 22:18.48 | Rawplayer | Myagy: well you need to debug it with tcpdump |
| 22:18.59 | petemc | quiet: you dont need to run the exim daemon if you dont want to, cron jobs should take care of any mails put in the queue |
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| 22:19.13 | Myagy | Rawplayer can you please tell me how to do that? |
| 22:19.14 | Rawplayer | ping from your lan to the internet and do tcpdump on the server on the internal iface and on the ppp daemon |
| 22:19.15 | mls | I need usbserial support. I want to add it as a module, but I don't understand debian modutils. Can someone please direct me to a how-to on the subject? |
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| 22:19.38 | Rawplayer | tcpdum -i youriface host lanip or something like that |
| 22:19.42 | Rawplayer | tcpdump |
| 22:19.52 | Rawplayer | you can use it on a lot of ways |
| 22:19.57 | Myagy | ok |
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| 22:20.02 | Myagy | give me a min |
| 22:20.06 | petemc | quiet: or at worst, you have to make your own cron job |
| 22:20.13 | mls | whats the simplest method? |
| 22:20.19 | travisat | mls: if you are using a standard debian kernel, modprobe usbserial |
| 22:20.24 | quiet | petemc, it's okay... it's not eating too much up |
| 22:20.27 | quiet | and it's not a big deal |
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| 22:21.06 | rudson | how do i change the reolution of the kdm? |
| 22:21.07 | mls | no, it's been stripped out of my kernel by the previous admin. |
| 22:21.18 | jethro | !drxx |
| 22:21.18 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 22:21.36 | jethro | rudson: ^^ |
| 22:21.55 | quiet | rudson, kdm uses same resolution as everything else, no? |
| 22:22.25 | mls | travisat, I'd rather not recompile - it's a very slow machine |
| 22:22.26 | valdyn | rudson: you can try to change resolutions from the kde control center if your driver supports it |
| 22:22.31 | Rawplayer | Myagy: www.lartc.org has also nice routing features/explanations |
| 22:22.37 | travisat | mls: hmm not sure what you can do then |
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| 22:22.48 | rudson | hmm... |
| 22:22.53 | valdyn | rudson: no idea which do and which dont, right now |
| 22:22.58 | mls | It can be added as a module, right? |
| 22:23.01 | fusQuanto | hi |
| 22:23.13 | rudson | so i kind of need to change the xfreex86? |
| 22:23.15 | travisat | mls: yes |
| 22:23.22 | jethro | rudson: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 22:23.27 | cadu | hi! Debian/sarge is already preconfigured to use TrueType fonts ? where do i have to drop them to use ? |
| 22:23.33 | cadu | thanx in advance |
| 22:24.05 | valdyn | cadu: ~/.fonts/ methinks |
| 22:24.08 | magnus-swe | im going out in >Gävle tonight.. do you feel a Rokin! |
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| 22:24.20 | travisat | mls: do you have your kernel source |
| 22:24.23 | mls | so I just need a little help to add a module then. |
| 22:24.31 | mls | 1 sec |
| 22:25.09 | mls | not on the box, but I can get it. |
| 22:25.18 | mls | I really don't want to recompile tho |
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| 22:25.33 | fusQuanto | im recovering from a HD crash, i did the knoppix disc , had to restablish my journal thing with tune2fs, and then i did a fsck.ext3 , origiannly it kernel panicced at bootup, and now after running fsck on it it is giving me a different kernel panic, it now says: EXT3-fs: monted fs with ordered data mode, mounted root readonly, and then unable to mount devfs, kernel panic: no init found, anyone know what to do? |
| 22:25.56 | mcliberlinux | bye.. boy |
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| 22:26.04 | pandom | help, what's the states mean? they are O T C, i can guess O is unread |
| 22:26.07 | travisat | mls: well I seem to remember a way to do that, but I don't think it is debian specific |
| 22:26.37 | pandom | and F |
| 22:26.38 | cadu | valdyn: i just have to drop them on ~/.fonts ? |
| 22:27.04 | pandom | help, what's the states mean? they are O T C, i can guess O is unread ( in mutt) |
| 22:27.15 | pandom | and F (in mutt) |
| 22:27.23 | travisat | mls: I think you have to manually compile the module source, cp the object to the modules directory, edit some files there to include it |
| 22:27.28 | jethro | pandom: /j #mutt |
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| 22:27.42 | runedude | hello folks |
| 22:27.49 | mls | OK, I'm googling modutils how-to now |
| 22:27.57 | fusQuanto | im recovering from a HD crash, i did the knoppix disc , had to restablish my journal thing with tune2fs, and then i did a fsck.ext3 , origiannly it kernel panicced at bootup, and now after running fsck on it it is giving me a different kernel panic, it now says: EXT3-fs: monted fs with ordered data mode, mounted root readonly, and then unable to mount devfs, kernel panic: no init found, anyone know what to do? |
| 22:28.03 | sunbx | does debian support the intel server boards ? i have problem with slackware |
| 22:28.10 | pandom | help me with mutt |
| 22:28.13 | runedude | for some reason, after a Layer1 install of cPanel, it decides to chmod "su" so I cant su, and it decides to disable su totally after I chmodded it AGAIN |
| 22:28.14 | runedude | :| |
| 22:28.16 | pandom | jeff, there dead |
| 22:28.17 | jethro | !repeat |
| 22:28.17 | dpkg | i guess repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions" |
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| 22:29.05 | jethro | pandom: man mutt then |
| 22:29.08 | cafuego | runedude: cPanel is commercial software, ask the authors for support. |
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| 22:29.20 | runedude | cafuego, they got a channel somewhere? |
| 22:29.31 | asg | pandom: also, see /usr/share/doc/mutt/html/manual |
| 22:29.32 | cafuego | runedude: no idea |
| 22:29.39 | cafuego | i'm sure they have email though |
| 22:29.42 | Eclipser | what's cpanel |
| 22:30.00 | erirlar | how do i download a dir with wget ? |
| 22:30.01 | cafuego | Eclipser: web based admin tool for peol;le who are afraid of ssh |
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| 22:30.12 | slocate | ursula1 |
| 22:30.25 | cafuego | erirlar: See 'man wget' - specifically the '-m' or '-r' options. |
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| 22:30.29 | asg | erirlar: probably with -r (and -l) |
| 22:30.33 | Eclipser | damn I was slow |
| 22:30.37 | erirlar | thanks |
| 22:30.47 | fusQuanto | how can i restore files from lost+found? |
| 22:30.54 | asg | cafuego: what's to fear about ssh? |
| 22:31.02 | cafuego | fusQuanto: with 'cp' |
| 22:31.06 | asg | fusQuanto: you copy them back to where they belong (by looking at them) |
| 22:31.07 | cafuego | asg: Can't click it! |
| 22:31.18 | fusQuanto | they are just #s, i got thousands in there |
| 22:31.18 | asg | cafuego: bah |
| 22:31.20 | cafuego | asg: Can't click it! |
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| 22:31.44 | cafuego | fusQuanto: Then your system is thoroughly hosed. Consider reinstalling. |
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| 22:32.27 | Myagy | Rawplayer i dont really know what am i looking for |
| 22:32.37 | dub | anything wrong with libpng-dev in woody? |
| 22:32.50 | fusQuanto | sigh |
| 22:32.53 | fusQuanto | reinstall it is |
| 22:32.54 | asg | dub: there shouldn't be, what problem are you having? |
| 22:33.04 | fusQuanto | whats hte fastest way these days? i last installed debian 3 years ago with floppies |
| 22:33.19 | jethro | !tell fusQuanto -about d-i |
| 22:33.20 | asg | fusQuanto: use the sarge installer (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 22:33.23 | Eclipser | for me, internet :) |
| 22:33.41 | dub | asg, just wondering if there was anything known, broken deps I'll look a bit harder |
| 22:34.03 | Myagy | Rawplayer check this out http://www.pastebin.com/259909 |
| 22:34.05 | asg | dub: nothing should be broken in a woody system. If something is, I'd check the bts and file bugs. |
| 22:34.18 | asg | dub: of course, if you have non-standard debian sources or backports, you are on your own. |
| 22:34.30 | cafuego | fusQuanto: And check the disk that /lost+found was on.. it may be broken. |
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| 22:34.51 | cafuego | Coz thousands of files is a LOT. I sometimes get maybe 10 after a particularly bad crash. |
| 22:34.58 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS! |
| 22:35.05 | useruser_ | shabbas |
| 22:35.10 | Eclipser | I've never had anything in my lost+found |
| 22:35.10 | asg | yonkeltron: are those like nuggets? |
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| 22:35.21 | cafuego | asg: Only on weekdays |
| 22:35.23 | Eclipser | a shame though, I lost like 25GB of data one day |
| 22:35.24 | asg | cafuego: ah |
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| 22:35.42 | buu_ | Anyone have an idea how I could figure out why I'm not getting sound? lsmod tells me I've got snd_ac96_codec and so forth loaded, but when I cat a random binary to /dev/dsp, I don't get any sound. |
| 22:35.53 | buu_ | Sorry, ac97 |
| 22:35.57 | asg | buu_: use aumix to crank up the volume |
| 22:35.59 | cafuego | buu_: Do you see an error? |
| 22:36.02 | buu_ | asg: I did |
| 22:36.05 | buu_ | cafuego: Nope. |
| 22:36.09 | fusQuanto | cafuego yah im recovering from a HD crash, i got the knoppix cd to try to rescue it, file -s /dev/hde1 reported it needing a new journal or something, fsck wouldnt work, tune2fs woudlnt work, so i googled and did a mke2fs -c -S and then i was able to fsck and then it had me "fix" things holding enter button down for 45 minutes and then i did tune2fs -j /dev/hde1 adn then at reboot its kernel panic |
| 22:36.10 | asg | buu_: oh, then /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 22:36.20 | cafuego | buu_: Then you need to fix the volume, yes. maybe make sure the speakers are plugged in right. |
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| 22:36.42 | buu_ | cafuego: It's headphones, I've tried every port on there |
| 22:36.43 | monteiro | i have some missing characters when it appear for example to write the root password, it appears squares with codes, anybody knows what package is missing ? |
| 22:37.08 | fusQuanto | cafuego how do i know this HD is hosed? its still in warranty but i dont wanna send it and have them send me the same one back |
| 22:37.11 | buu_ | asg: I've got snd_intel8x0 and so forth loaded. |
| 22:37.32 | cafuego | fusQuanto: I'd go a run of 'badblocks' before reinstall. See what it says. |
| 22:37.33 | valdyn | fusQuanto: run"badblocks" on it |
| 22:37.47 | Myagy | Rawplayer ... |
| 22:37.54 | cafuego | fusQuanto: Which fs type did you use? |
| 22:37.56 | asg | buu_: then if you got your error, it is a mixer problem. Crank all the levels (not just the obvious ones, to be sure.) |
| 22:37.59 | Rawplayer | yes? |
| 22:38.00 | Rawplayer | \o |
| 22:38.01 | Rawplayer | o |
| 22:38.03 | valdyn | buu_: try aplay some.wav |
| 22:38.03 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 22:38.03 | asg | s/your/no/ |
| 22:38.05 | Myagy | Rawplayer check this out http://www.pastebin.com/259909 |
| 22:38.07 | buu_ | asg: er, what error? |
| 22:38.07 | fusQuanto | thanks |
| 22:38.08 | Rawplayer | i did |
| 22:38.12 | cafuego | !tell Rawplayer -about return |
| 22:38.21 | useruser_ | monteiro: some font package i expect, although your description of the problem is less than clear |
| 22:38.22 | asg | buu_: sorry, typo on my part (I meant no error) |
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| 22:38.28 | Myagy | Rawplayer and what is that ok ? |
| 22:38.37 | Myagy | Rawplayer and is that ok ? |
| 22:38.40 | Rawplayer | cafuego: i mistyped my keyboard |
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| 22:38.50 | Rawplayer | Myagy: thats no problem |
| 22:38.55 | fusQuanto | cafuego , just 'badblocks /dev/blah' right? i did that and its giving me no output yet |
| 22:38.57 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Then LOOK before hitting return, causes less spam. |
| 22:39.24 | buu_ | asg: I've tried several mixers, everything is at 100% |
| 22:39.25 | Myagy | Rawplayer then what do you recommend next? |
| 22:39.26 | monteiro | useruser_ : in gdm when i write the root password it is supposed to appear those circles but know appears squares with codes like if some character is missing |
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| 22:39.44 | cafuego | fusQuanto: You could run 'badblocks -v /dev/foo' instead (verbose) |
| 22:39.49 | Eclipser | fusQuanto, it took me like 3 hours to run badblocks on 160GB harddrive |
| 22:39.50 | asg | buu_: and the speakers are plugged in, powered on, and any volume on them is also turned up? |
| 22:39.57 | buu_ | asg: Headphones, yes. |
| 22:40.04 | Rawplayer | Myagy: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:40.29 | Myagy | Rawplayer # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:40.29 | Myagy | 1 |
| 22:40.33 | Rawplayer | k |
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| 22:40.48 | fusQuanto | Eclipser so if u have 1 bad block what does that mean? send it to warranty? |
| 22:40.58 | Rawplayer | ifconfig and route -n paste that on pastebin |
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| 22:41.17 | Myagy | Rawplayer ok wait |
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| 22:41.22 | Rawplayer | Myagy: ip route |
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| 22:41.24 | Rawplayer | not route -n |
| 22:41.28 | mls | travisat: is there an apt-get for module source? |
| 22:41.38 | Gnurdux | im interested in make-kpkg, nayone know where i can get it? |
| 22:41.44 | travisat | mls: huh |
| 22:41.45 | Eclipser | fusQuanto, I would at least ask what they'd do to it... unfortunately my warranty had run out already, so now I have a broken hard drive :< |
| 22:41.53 | valdyn | !tell Gnurdux about kp |
| 22:41.59 | travisat | mls: usbserial is in the kernel source |
| 22:42.00 | mls | I mean can I apt-get a module like I can for applications |
| 22:42.10 | travisat | mls not really |
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| 22:42.24 | mls | damn. |
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| 22:42.56 | Gnurdux | thnx |
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| 22:43.26 | dub | libpng-dev: Depends: libpng3 (= 1.2.1-1.1.woody.9) but 1.2.8rel-1 is to be installed |
| 22:43.35 | dub | ii libpng3 1.2.8rel-1 |
| 22:43.50 | dub | possible to downgrade that? |
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| 22:44.21 | valdyn | !info libpng3 sarge |
| 22:44.25 | dpkg | libpng3: (PNG library - runtime), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.8rel-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 4 kB |
| 22:44.41 | valdyn | dub: why are you mixing woody w/ sarge packages? |
| 22:44.41 | cafuego | bloody hell, damn airshow |
| 22:44.42 | Myagy | Rawplayer http://www.pastebin.com/259915 |
| 22:45.02 | buu_ | Gah |
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| 22:45.23 | cafuego | !tell __root___ -about root |
| 22:45.37 | dub | valdyn, I wasnt aware that I was |
| 22:45.45 | Rawplayer | Myagy: ping -I eth0 192.168.182.3 |
| 22:45.50 | Rawplayer | does that work? |
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| 22:45.56 | Myagy | let me see |
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| 22:46.13 | buu_ | Stupid dell. |
| 22:46.20 | dub | valdyn, im using testing, I was mistaken earlier |
| 22:46.20 | Myagy | # ping -I eth0 192.168.182.3 |
| 22:46.20 | Myagy | PING 192.168.182.3 (192.168.182.3) from 192.168.0.2 eth0: 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:46.20 | Myagy | From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 22:46.36 | valdyn | dub: but you used to run woody and upgraded to testing? |
| 22:46.44 | dub | valdyn, correct |
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| 22:47.09 | Rawplayer | whats the endpoint you connect to? |
| 22:47.11 | valdyn | dub: so finish that upgrade, it doesnt seem to be done, and remove all lines referencing woody in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:47.12 | dub | valdyn, actually, no this was a testing install |
| 22:47.16 | buu_ | Anyone have any other guesses about sound? |
| 22:47.30 | valdyn | !info libpn-dev sarge |
| 22:47.35 | valdyn | !info libpng-dev sarge |
| 22:47.39 | Myagy | Rawplayer i am new in this (what is an endpoint?) |
| 22:47.55 | Rawplayer | the other ip where you connect to |
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| 22:48.12 | valdyn | dub: libpng-dev does not even exist in sarge |
| 22:48.12 | p88 | hi all |
| 22:48.22 | p88 | what is x-window-manager |
| 22:48.22 | Rawplayer | why do you have that large netmask and iprange? |
| 22:48.28 | dub | valdyn, I see, thanks |
| 22:48.42 | Rawplayer | if you have that you can get a lot off broadcast domains |
| 22:48.43 | buu_ | p88: ask google. |
| 22:48.45 | Rawplayer | and you dont want that |
| 22:48.50 | Myagy | Rawplayer i am at 192.168.181.92 right now connting to 192.168.0.2 and getting 192.168.182.3 from it to the second connection |
| 22:49.05 | p88 | buu_: I know what a windowmanager is but what kind of wmanager is that? |
| 22:49.12 | buu_ | p88: It's not a window manager. |
| 22:49.24 | p88 | ah |
| 22:49.28 | p88 | then I will ask google |
| 22:49.45 | asg | p88: man update-alternatives |
| 22:49.47 | travisat | !x-window-manager |
| 22:49.47 | dpkg | If you want to reset your x-window-manager globally: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 22:49.49 | valdyn | dub: on thing, even if this is a new sarge install, the security line ( if you have it ) might fuck up things in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:50.04 | cafuego | p88: x-window-manager is a symlink on debian systems. it always points to your preferred window manager. |
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| 22:50.14 | p88 | ah I see |
| 22:50.16 | cafuego | p88: See 'ls -l /etc/alternatives' |
| 22:50.28 | p88 | wow |
| 22:50.32 | p88 | a lot in there |
| 22:50.55 | Myagy | Rawplayer was that destination host unreachable a "good" or "bad" reply ? meaning: am i closer or further to solve this ? |
| 22:50.56 | cafuego | yep. And you can modify any of them with 'update-alternatives --config <link name>' |
| 22:51.15 | dub | valdyn, hmm. looks like that might be the case |
| 22:51.30 | Rawplayer | well its not good and its not bad |
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| 22:51.50 | Myagy | Rawplayer and what do you suggest next? |
| 22:52.04 | Rawplayer | its just a message from the router that the host you are trying to connect is unreachable |
| 22:52.13 | Rawplayer | or ping to |
| 22:52.34 | Eclipser | something in between is blocking you |
| 22:52.45 | travisat | there should be a command that looks for packages not listed in the packages available through the sources.lst and asks if you want to keep them |
| 22:52.46 | asg | or routing is buggered (man route) |
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| 22:52.50 | Eclipser | well, not neccessarily blocking... might be broken too :) |
| 22:53.05 | asg | travisat: deborphan |
| 22:53.14 | dub | valdyn, seems to have solved it, thanks |
| 22:53.14 | travisat | asg: ah thats its name |
| 22:53.15 | Rawplayer | his routing table is not complete |
| 22:53.27 | asg | Rawplayer: then he needs to complete it |
| 22:53.31 | Rawplayer | i know :) |
| 22:53.36 | asg | hehe |
| 22:53.38 | Myagy | Rawplayer how do i do that? |
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| 22:55.32 | Rawplayer | route add -net network/mask dev ppp and or eth device |
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| 22:55.41 | DoM | hi all |
| 22:56.00 | Rawplayer | you need to read manuals about routing because i dont want to explain how routing works |
| 22:56.00 | Eclipser | uh |
| 22:56.03 | Eclipser | someone still using ppp? |
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| 22:56.11 | DoM | anyone here have never tried to create a second video device on debian to acquire with 2 different progs ? |
| 22:56.16 | Rawplayer | you need todo your homework before you start playing with something |
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| 22:56.57 | Myagy | let me try |
| 22:57.13 | asg | Rawplayer: a correct 'gateway' entry in interfaces(5) for the interface in question often solves the problem (unless he has some non-trivial routing requirements.) |
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| 22:57.59 | cafuego | Eclipser: not currently, but I have it set-up for overseas travel, yes. |
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| 22:58.17 | patrick_ | my laptop has is supposed to use Fn+F2 to [de]activate wireless. I want to set it up to work under linux, but xev doesn't give me any events for that key combination |
| 22:58.26 | Rawplayer | asg: he has a default gw but he wants his lan routed over pptp connex |
| 22:58.28 | patrick_ | how can I determine teh event I am looking for? |
| 22:58.34 | davix | how do I install an rpm on debian? |
| 22:58.41 | ferris | i am looking for a filesharing program like kazaa for debian.... do you know of one? |
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| 22:58.47 | thenuke | davix: with some tool named alien something |
| 22:58.51 | patrick_ | ferris:amule |
| 22:58.58 | davix | thenuke, tnx again mate |
| 22:58.59 | thenuke | and I thought that you have Ubuntu |
| 22:58.59 | davix | ") |
| 22:59.00 | thenuke | :) |
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| 22:59.12 | davix | i do, but it's debian based, so i asked both channels |
| 22:59.13 | thenuke | apt-cache search alien |
| 22:59.35 | cafuego | davix: Install 'alien' use 'alien' to convert the .rpm to a .deb. install the .deb with 'dpkg'. |
| 22:59.36 | thenuke | or then use synaptic to search if you prefer that |
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| 23:00.19 | ferris | thanks patrick_ |
| 23:00.20 | travisat | davix: although it rpm package that you install might not work right |
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| 23:01.26 | p88 | day changed |
| 23:01.26 | patrick_ | ferris: no problem. you might also want to look at gift |
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| 23:01.31 | Rawplayer | Myagy: your clients on your lan are also on 192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 ? |
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| 23:01.43 | ferris | ok |
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| 23:02.31 | StormysGhost | I have a friend of mine that is trying to run debian, 2.6.8-1-386 is the debian kernel he's using, my question is does this kernel have alsa enabled or is it a oss enabled kernel? |
| 23:02.35 | cafuego | Day changed 10 hours ago. |
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| 23:03.00 | stew | StormysGhost: it supports both |
| 23:03.24 | Myagy | Rawplayer not at the moment.right now the routing server(using NAT) is 192.168.0.40 bcast192.168.255.255 maskl255.255.0.0 |
| 23:03.40 | Myagy | 192.168.0.2 will be the router as soon as i finish it |
| 23:03.49 | StormysGhost | stew: would one or the other be turned on by default, i'm not a debian guy, i'm just trying to get a friend some sound |
| 23:04.20 | stew | !WikiFaq StormysGhost UseSoundCard |
| 23:04.21 | dpkg | StormysGhost: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:04.28 | StormysGhost | thx |
| 23:04.33 | Rawplayer | Myagy: set it first up properly |
| 23:05.14 | Myagy | Rawplayer i am trying |
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| 23:07.20 | StormysGhost | are the alsa tools installed by default? |
| 23:07.33 | Eclipser | no? |
| 23:07.36 | StormysGhost | no |
| 23:07.40 | StormysGhost | ok |
| 23:07.48 | DoM | anyone here have never tried to create a second video device on debian to acquire with 2 different progs ? |
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| 23:08.59 | Myagy | Rawplayer i have the feeling that we lost the problem on the way |
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| 23:09.58 | myren | is it possible to use dmix to merge a alsa capture source with regular inputs? |
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| 23:10.14 | Myagy | shouldnt there be a setting in pptpd or ppp that would set up the gateway that is to be sent to the client? (for dns ive put ms-dns xx.xx.xx.xx in /etc/ppp/options ) |
| 23:11.13 | cafuego | Myagy: The gateway sent to the client is ALWAYS the pptp server; you need to make sure IT can route and/or translate conenctions from the clients to elsehwere. |
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| 23:11.48 | pmiller9 | how can I automatically identify attacks and block the corresponding ip address? someone is randomly trying hundreds of username/password combos and I want to block them |
| 23:12.31 | evanpro | pmiller9: for what protocol? SSH? Telnet? Web? |
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| 23:12.41 | pmiller9 | evanpro: ssh |
| 23:12.42 | igraltist | hi |
| 23:12.47 | Zero | hi |
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| 23:13.25 | Zero | im am god (not really) |
| 23:13.37 | Myagy | cafuego maybe thats the way it should be. the win client i am on right now is receiving an ip for the VPN tunnel and the exact same ip for the VPN gateway |
| 23:13.43 | evanpro | pmiller9: OK, I got no idea. |
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| 23:13.44 | cafuego | We know, you can't be. There is only one of me. |
| 23:13.48 | myren | ugg, i really need to do something to this stupid cygwin install |
| 23:13.51 | igraltist | my cdrom is still running with xine but i cannot do kill -9 to stop this, what can i do without shutting down the xserver or reboot? |
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| 23:14.14 | WiFiTux | which pdf program allows me to copy parts from a PDF, acrobat does it, but for Linux? |
| 23:14.25 | pureone | igraltist try alt ctrl and esc |
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| 23:14.32 | pureone | then click xine |
| 23:14.40 | Myagy | cafuego any ideea? |
| 23:14.47 | pureone | that normaly does the job |
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| 23:15.10 | cafuego | Myagy: if your pptp server isn't the internet router as well, you need to make sure 1) your pptp server can route client packets and 2) your internet router knows to route packets back to the pptp client IP range via the pptp server. |
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| 23:15.30 | asg | Rawplayer: then he needs to delete the default gateway and create a new one that sends traffic through the pptp interface. |
| 23:15.35 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Acrobat for Linux? |
| 23:15.37 | igraltist | xine i not more running as gui only the procces i find with ps aux |
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| 23:16.05 | dan2_ | asg: hey |
| 23:16.14 | asg | dan2_: hiya, how's the bugzilla going? |
| 23:16.18 | dan2_ | asg: real good |
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| 23:16.31 | dan2_ | cafuego: do you know of a C call to see if I'm writing to a fifo or a file? |
| 23:16.38 | asg | karsten: *dong* |
| 23:16.40 | asg | dan2_: cool |
| 23:16.51 | karsten | asg: Quite. |
| 23:17.02 | Rawplayer | asg: he can solve it with policyrouting |
| 23:17.08 | WiFiTux | cafuego, 100MB program? fuck no. |
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| 23:17.14 | asg | Rawplayer: he can, true |
| 23:17.21 | Myagy | cafuego the internet router i have right now is doing NAT so i think that covers your condition, but i dont know how to work out the first point |
| 23:17.23 | bbrazil | dan2_: read around fstat, should be a way |
| 23:17.25 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Well, then DON'T copy parts of a PDF. |
| 23:17.41 | Myagy | asg, Rawplayer guys, please tell me how |
| 23:17.47 | Rawplayer | Myagy: take a look and the virt-ix script from me |
| 23:17.53 | cafuego | Myagy: No, if it's doing NAT, you will need to add routes on IT for your vpn subnet. |
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| 23:18.14 | cafuego | Myagy: Noatble 'route add -net vpnnet/mask gw pptp-server-ip' |
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| 23:18.18 | Zero | im back |
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| 23:18.47 | Myagy | Rawplayer what exactly am i looking for? |
| 23:18.58 | Myagy | cafuego i have tryied that allready |
| 23:19.02 | bahamat | any slapd gurus? "no write access to parent" and I can't tell wtf is wrong |
| 23:19.03 | cafuego | Myagy: So that traffic coming back from the net for the pptp clients is sent to the pptp server. |
| 23:19.17 | asg | bahamat: try #ldap |
| 23:19.24 | cafuego | Myagy: And you do NOT want nat enabled on the pptp server in that case. |
| 23:19.27 | WiFiTux | cafuego, the package is acroread? |
| 23:19.29 | bahamat | asg: I did, they are all dead |
| 23:19.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: probably. |
| 23:19.35 | carnage | why does my apt-get install * always end in 0% [Waiting for headers]? |
| 23:19.43 | Rawplayer | http://www.oom-killer.org/routing/virt-ix and www.oom-killer.org/visio/ look at my ipranges on the picture and use your imagination to fill in your network and ips |
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| 23:19.53 | bahamat | carnage: that's not a very smart thing to do |
| 23:20.04 | carnage | whats that? |
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| 23:20.13 | asg | bahamat: well, there are mailing lists. |
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| 23:20.24 | cafuego | dan2_: Hmm, they're both ints, unless you use fopen() and not open() on the file. |
| 23:20.37 | Zero | E-mail me at thebringer666@hotmail.com |
| 23:20.43 | bahamat | asg: I guess...but I haven't had any luck with the ldap mailing lists in the past |
| 23:20.43 | dan2_ | cafuego: I'm using regular open |
| 23:20.46 | cafuego | Zero: Stop spamming. |
| 23:20.59 | mh_le | how do I create the mount points for the cdroms? |
| 23:21.07 | asg | bahamat: hmmm, well, hang out. Ask again in a few and see what pops up. |
| 23:21.07 | cafuego | dan2_: Hmm. Then i dunno how to check. |
| 23:21.11 | drini | mkdir /path/to/the/mountpoint/you/want |
| 23:21.22 | asg | bahamat: no luck typing that error into google? |
| 23:21.25 | mh_le | drini: they dissapear when I boot |
| 23:21.31 | bahamat | asg: only generic help |
| 23:21.31 | dan2_ | cafuego: what benefit do I get from using fopen? |
| 23:21.36 | drini | no they shouldn't |
| 23:21.38 | asg | bahamat: oh, hmmmm |
| 23:21.42 | cafuego | dan2_: i suppose you could write a line to each, close 'em, open 'em, read, close, open, read. the one that still gives data is the file. |
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| 23:22.00 | dan2_ | cafuego: what about fstat? |
| 23:22.00 | cafuego | dan2_: fopen() works on a FILE *, not an int. |
| 23:22.04 | mh_le | drini: but they do.. I create them in /media |
| 23:22.10 | dan2_ | cafuego: right |
| 23:22.11 | bahamat | asg: basically, it's an access control problem, and just for shits and grins I tried to give acces write access to the entire tree, and I still get "no write access to parent" |
| 23:22.23 | drini | that do you mean they "dissapear" |
| 23:22.29 | drini | the directory gets deleted? |
| 23:22.34 | mh_le | drini: yeah |
| 23:22.41 | bahamat | asg: I tried specifying the parent explicitly, and the children, tried using regex...I've tried everything I can think of |
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| 23:23.04 | bahamat | asg: as far as I can tell there's nothing wrong, except that it doesn't work |
| 23:23.04 | dan2_ | cafuego: ahh, fstat will work |
| 23:23.14 | bahamat | it's really pissing me off |
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| 23:23.17 | dan2_ | cafuego: I can check for flag S_IFIFO |
| 23:23.23 | cafuego | dan2_: yep. S_ISFIFO vs. S_ISREG |
| 23:24.21 | dan2_ | cafuego: ok, this is kind of pointless ... this checking, I still need to code a configuration file reader... do you know of any good libraries? |
| 23:24.35 | cafuego | dan2_: <heh> Just go xml. |
| 23:24.36 | lakcaj | Hi. I'm trying to use "apt pinning" to install the vlc media player. However, the entry in sources.list goes like "deb http://somesite/debian sid main". The apt-pinning for beginners shows that the entry would look like "deb http://somesite/debian unstable main". |
| 23:24.42 | lakcaj | I have a few questions about this |
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| 23:24.51 | dan2_ | cafuego: that'll increase the complexity of the app 10 fold |
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| 23:25.12 | fairway | hi anyone tried install pymusique? does it require sid? |
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| 23:25.25 | cafuego | dan2_: Then a simple delimited text file will be easy enough to code. |
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| 23:25.49 | lakcaj | do I then use "apt-get install vlc/sid" as opposed to "apt-get install vlc/unstable"? If so, it my "Pin: release a=unstable" entry in prefernces sufficient, or do I need a "Pin: release a=sid" entry? |
| 23:25.53 | dan2_ | cafuego: yeah, I've probably got one of these parsers already written somewhere here |
| 23:25.54 | cafuego | dan2_: fgets() and strtok() |
| 23:26.04 | travisat | fairway: why do you want to use pymusique |
| 23:26.31 | dan2_ | cafuego: hmm, commonc++ seems to have a section based config file... will work well enough |
| 23:26.39 | fairway | travisat: preview songs |
| 23:26.41 | dan2_ | cafuego: its already a dependency from my rtp stack |
| 23:27.28 | mirak | if I do a dd /dev/hda of a full 40G hard drive on a 120G hard drive, will I be able to resize the latest partition, or will the system believe it's still a 40G hard drive ? |
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| 23:28.28 | mirak | I mean increase the latest partiton |
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| 23:29.05 | erirlar | how can i get an application not to pop up on the kde panel bar? |
| 23:29.06 | peterS | mirak: partition the 120G drive, then dd the 40G *partition* into a 120G *partition*. then you can run a filesystem resize tool |
| 23:29.22 | peterS | mirak: if it's ext2/ext3 for example you can just do 'resize2fs /dev/hdc1' or whatever |
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| 23:29.46 | mirak | in fact I want to backup a windows hard drive on a bigger one |
| 23:29.53 | peterS | mirak: so first create a hdc1 partition then 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1'. I'm assuming here that hda is your old drive and hdc is your new |
| 23:29.53 | p88 | hi my user pippijn is in group pippijn |
| 23:29.57 | mirak | well not back it up, switch it in fact |
| 23:29.59 | p88 | can I put him into group users? |
| 23:30.06 | peterS | mirak: where 'cp' is like 'dd' but somewhat easier to use |
| 23:30.30 | mirak | peterS: I will do that to switch the 120G linux drive to a 250G |
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| 23:30.58 | peterS | mirak: ok then. now - I'm not sure what resize options exist for a "windows hard drive". certainly it would depend on whether the drive is FAT or NTFS. |
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| 23:31.17 | peterS | mirak: also, if you want it to be bootable, you'll probably need to install an MS-DOS boot sector onto the new one |
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| 23:31.39 | dan2_ | cafuego: is the difference between fopen and open that one is buffered and the other not?" |
| 23:31.44 | mirak | peterS: the boot sector will not be copied along with the dd ? |
| 23:31.55 | peterS | mirak: not if you just copy the partition, rather than the whole disk |
| 23:32.03 | mirak | I mean does the bootsector refer to cylinder etcetera or just an ofset ? |
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| 23:32.13 | peterS | mirak: by copying the whole disk, though, you fool fdisk-like tools into only letting you partition the 40GB |
| 23:32.16 | karsten | wiki.debian.org |
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| 23:32.23 | karsten | Can anyone resolve / load that? ^^ |
| 23:32.29 | zero | hi |
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| 23:32.43 | p88 | after I edited /etc/passwd, passwd- and passwd.org do I have to do something? |
| 23:32.43 | peterS | karsten: .net |
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| 23:32.54 | karsten | peterS: Thanks. Tell Mike Ivey ;-) |
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| 23:33.35 | peterS | who's mike ivey? anyway, debian.net is unofficial so lots of stuff like wiki.*, which wasn't set up by the project proper, are there |
| 23:33.36 | asg | p88: vigr |
| 23:34.09 | asg | p88: or if you were changing the user's primary group, logout and login again. |
| 23:34.21 | p88 | ok :) |
| 23:34.22 | davix | how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again) |
| 23:34.25 | p88 | the second is what I did |
| 23:34.40 | p88 | in freebsd I had to do pwd_mkdb |
| 23:34.43 | p88 | in linux not? |
| 23:34.48 | asg | p88: no |
| 23:34.51 | p88 | nice :D |
| 23:34.53 | peterS | p88: if you use 'vipw' to edit /etc/passwd, that's all you need to do |
| 23:35.19 | p88 | vipw |
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| 23:35.22 | p88 | aha nice |
| 23:35.45 | mh_le | when I create a mount point in /media/ for the cdroms they are deleted on reboot.. how can I prevent this from happening? |
| 23:36.07 | drini | create them into /mnt |
| 23:36.22 | asg | mh_le: create them somewhere else (/mnt/cdroms/fooN) or edit /etc/init.d/* to prevent /media from being purged. |
| 23:36.33 | mh_le | drini: I won't be able to mount them in gnome then |
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| 23:37.07 | mh_le | How come the cdrom drives are setup automatically? |
| 23:37.13 | mh_le | are = arn't |
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| 23:37.42 | justin | mh_le: dpkg-reconfigure discover? |
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| 23:38.40 | mh_le | justin: it isn't installed |
| 23:38.54 | carnage | anyone know where the deb package sticks the eggdrop.conf example file by default? |
| 23:39.02 | asg | carnage: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 23:39.04 | stew | discover1? |
| 23:39.12 | davix | how can i kill hw:0 (creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again) |
| 23:39.52 | drini | gnome shucks then, mh_le it should conform to the proper way |
| 23:39.53 | mh_le | justin: installing discover or running dpkg-reconfigure didn't do much good |
| 23:40.03 | stew | davix: ask in #alsa or #gentoo |
| 23:40.06 | stew | err |
| 23:40.11 | davix | tnx |
| 23:40.12 | stew | #alsa or #ubuntu i mean |
| 23:40.44 | mh_le | drini: one should think that this is something that should be working in debian |
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| 23:40.59 | mh_le | CD-ROM drives are fairly standard |
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| 23:41.15 | stew | is it discover1 or hotplug that he wants? |
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| 23:42.09 | Loevborg | linux-2.6.10 freezes hard after some time when reading a dvd - does anyone know this problem, or where to look for help (or debug)? |
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| 23:43.35 | mh_le | stew: installing discover1 didn't help... |
| 23:44.06 | M4hd1 | Hi, where do i put a ".jar" file containing a java package for use system-wide? I installed j2sdk1.5 using java-package |
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| 23:45.41 | asg | M4hd1: try #java |
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| 23:46.08 | toomboy | anyone know how i can configure postfix and courier-imap to use Maildir format? currently its setup to use mbox |
| 23:46.34 | asg | toomboy: postfix.org has copious documentation on how to do that |
| 23:46.40 | stew | toomboy: courier-imap cannot use mbox, only maildir |
| 23:46.53 | blahdeblah | Hi. Stupid question: what is the canonical way to save static routes in Debian? In Red Hat, they have /etc/sysconfig/static-routes, but i've RTFMed and there doesn't seem to be an equivalent in Debian - true? |
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| 23:47.13 | toomboy | stew: ok thats what I thought, hence why im trying to do maildir.. |
| 23:47.16 | toomboy | asg: will do thanks. |
| 23:47.17 | stew | toomboy: you need to configure your MDA to deliver to a maildir |
| 23:47.22 | WiFiTux | toomboy, once you know, let me know :) I heard it's some work. |
| 23:47.23 | M4hd1 | anybody here used "cup" (a parser generator) ? Can't compile java code that includes java_cup.runtime.* |
| 23:47.44 | toomboy | stew: id presume postfix is a MDA ? |
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| 23:47.49 | asg | toomboy: MTA |
| 23:47.51 | stew | toomboy: no its a MTA |
| 23:47.58 | stew | toomboy: MDA would be procmail or maildrop |
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| 23:48.14 | toomboy | stew: ok. |
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| 23:48.31 | asg | toomboy: procmail and maildrop are MDAs |
| 23:48.33 | LeeJunFan | I understand debian has amd 64 code availble in unstable? |
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| 23:48.49 | asg | LeeJunFan: #debian-amd64 |
| 23:48.53 | flux | hello :) |
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| 23:49.03 | LeeJunFan | asg: thanks. |
| 23:49.10 | asg | LeeJunFan: you're welcome |
| 23:49.22 | flux | excuse me, i have a sylpheed problem with local mail... |
| 23:49.57 | benjamindees | my question of the day: What kinds of users use Testing on a day-to-day basis and why? |
| 23:50.00 | flux | mutt sees mails in /var/mail ... but i configured my sylpheed as it is said in faq + manual on sylpheed.org |
| 23:50.10 | flux | and i do not see mails in /var/mail |
| 23:50.43 | asg | benjamindees: they are willing to test ... well testing |
| 23:51.15 | joey_ | i use it because it has the latest gui builds |
| 23:51.26 | stew | benjamindees: stable is kinda outdated for use on a desktop system, so a lot of desktop users use testing right now |
| 23:51.36 | benjamindees | joey_, gnome/kde I guess, okay |
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| 23:52.00 | benjamindees | stew, asg, do you actually know of any that do? |
| 23:52.15 | jfields | !kde3.4 |
| 23:52.16 | joey_ | but whenever you want the newest feature for some application, it's more likely in testing than stable. |
| 23:52.21 | asg | benjamindees: I do, even on some servers, since I'm willing and able to help out in that respect. |
| 23:52.32 | stew | benjamindees: run testing? i have 10 or so boxes running testing |
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| 23:53.16 | joey_ | i gave testing debian to some end-users. did a little setup for them, now they are happy |
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| 23:54.01 | stew | benjamindees: the caveat is that testing does not currently get security updates, so it shouldn't be put on an exposed server unless you are keeping a watchful eye on DSA |
| 23:54.23 | benjamindees | I guess what I'm wondering is more along the lines of "will Testing users still be using Testing when Sarge is released?" |
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| 23:54.45 | stew | benjamindees: if you use "sarge" in sources.list then you stay with sarge, if you use "testing" then you stay with testing |
| 23:54.47 | asg | benjamindees: some will, some will stay on what will then be stable. |
| 23:54.49 | benjamindees | sounds like the answer is yes for the most part |
| 23:55.05 | doublehp | a packages ennoyes me ; how do I tell apt never tu upgrade it ? |
| 23:55.13 | asg | doublehp: /msg dpkg hold |
| 23:55.33 | joey_ | until the user wants that new feature ... then they will need testing again |
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| 23:55.36 | stew | benjamindees: its probably recommended to stick with sarge for the first few weeks as it get flooded with new packages that are being held out of sarge |
| 23:56.21 | benjamindees | stew, yeah, that seems like a problem to me... |
| 23:58.00 | benjamindees | the whole way in which Testing is stabilized seems sub-optimal, like it would be more useful if it were changed |
| 23:58.20 | benjamindees | (more useful to those who use Testing I mean) |
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| 23:58.34 | stew | benjamindees: how would you change things? |
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| 23:59.34 | asg | benjamindees: there is a freeze period where people who want to stick with what will be stable will s/testing/sarge/ in /etc/apt/sources.list. Others, will just ride along and stay with testing |
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