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| 00:00.48 | benjamindees | stew, I can't say I've concluded that yet, but I think identifying the actual and potential users of a branch like Testing is a step in the right direction |
| 00:00.49 | fusQuanto | cafuego i have 0 bad blocks it says.. does this mean the hard drive didnt crash or is ok righ tnow?? |
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| 00:03.21 | benjamindees | at the moment it sounds like Testing is meeting the needs of both developers, who natually use Unstable, and users of Stable (servers,etc) |
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| 00:03.57 | asg | benjamindees: almost, testing gets no security updates so it is the direct responsiblity of the system administrator to take care of that. |
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| 00:04.40 | stew | benjamindees: well there is a very heated discussion on debian-devel about possible ways to change how testing works |
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| 00:04.48 | thingfish | yes, but isn't it true that security updates are normally incorporated into the new packages that trickle down from unstable? |
| 00:05.12 | stew | thingfish: it could take weeks though |
| 00:05.17 | jjj | how can i tell what glibc version i have |
| 00:05.33 | asg | thingfish: yes and most of those packages can be installed on sarge without problem. However, there is not guarantee that they will so such actions are at discression of the local administrator. |
| 00:05.37 | asg | jjj: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 00:05.49 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 00:05.59 | thingfish | asg: right, I see. |
| 00:06.03 | benjamindees | thingfish, and remember those updates entail more than just security fixes sometimes |
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| 00:06.21 | thingfish | benjamindees: oh sure they do. |
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| 00:07.16 | grivell | jjj: or ldd --version |
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| 00:13.58 | vladster | streamtuner is giveing me a segmentation fualt |
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| 00:14.50 | mh_le | how can I run gui apps from a x term? |
| 00:14.58 | vladster | I justr did an upgrade last night and now it is not working |
| 00:15.12 | Eclipser | mh_le, just run the program you want?-p |
| 00:15.26 | mh_le | Eclipser: gnome-control-center |
| 00:15.29 | mh_le | (gnome-contro |
| 00:15.42 | mh_le | ;(gnome-control-center:4840): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 00:15.57 | stew | mh_le: did you su in that terminal? |
| 00:16.03 | Eclipser | use sux instead |
| 00:16.19 | mh_le | Eclipser: comman not found |
| 00:16.25 | mh_le | stew: yeah |
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| 00:16.39 | Eclipser | mh_le, apt-get install sux |
| 00:16.40 | stew | mh_le: you probably don't want to be running gnome-control-center as root |
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| 00:16.51 | stew | mh_le: and if you did, /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 00:17.04 | vladster | has anyone got a way to trace the reason for the segmentation fault |
| 00:17.12 | Eclipser | gdb? |
| 00:17.29 | p88 | does the firewall go on at the next boot when I configured it with firestarter |
| 00:17.30 | p88 | ? |
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| 00:17.53 | stew | vladster: http://wiki.debian.net/?HowToGetABacktrace |
| 00:17.59 | mh_le | stew: I see.. where do I set the default browser? |
| 00:18.21 | wobbler | vladster: are you running sarge streamtuner was fixed in sid today |
| 00:19.01 | skrald | When I open an xterm the jump-one-word-forward/backword hotkeys does not work (ctrl-left/right). How can I enable these? |
| 00:19.01 | stew | mh_le: if gnome has one then probably in gnome-control-center (but you don't want to run that as root) or system-wide run "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 00:19.07 | stew | " as root |
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| 00:19.27 | ep | Coudn't boot to windows after Sarge install! I think this debian install (parted /disk druid) is a MAJOR bug and not any thing I did wrong. See bugzilla 115980. |
| 00:20.06 | lakcaj | Why do I have to "apt-get -t unstable install vlc" when pinning? Is there anything wrong if I just "apt-get install vlc" if I have my /etc/apt/preferences set up to install testing packages over unstable? |
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| 00:20.40 | stew | ep: what bug database are you referring to? |
| 00:20.42 | Eclipser | because if testing has it then it'd install testing version |
| 00:20.49 | p88 | hey after I install windows how can I get GRUB back? |
| 00:20.55 | ep | Anyway I found a temp solution. I change Access mode to LBA (instead of AUTO) in the bios. Will this effect the preformance of my hard disk? |
| 00:20.56 | lakcaj | Eclipser, thanks alot... that makes sense |
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| 00:21.32 | jjj | how would i export /usr/local/man to $MANPATh |
| 00:21.32 | ep | stew , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115980 |
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| 00:21.55 | Eclipser | I already forgot the question and the answer when you said thanks |
| 00:22.04 | skrald | When I shutdown my mixer volume is not stored as they should. I *have* installed alsa-utils and S20alsa indeed exist in /etc/rc2.d. Why aren't they stored? It once worked perfectly. |
| 00:22.32 | jjj | how would i export /usr/local/man to $MANPATH |
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| 00:22.54 | deadcat | jjj: export MANPATH=$MANPATH:/new/path/ |
| 00:23.45 | jjj | thx |
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| 00:27.05 | pandom | anyone help me with masqmail or fetchmail? |
| 00:27.08 | pandom | thank |
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| 00:27.31 | pandom | !masqmail |
| 00:27.31 | dpkg | methinks masqmail is a small mta that is configurable to connect to different hub MX depending on the ISP you're currently using. Handy for a laptop with multiple accounts (but can serve a LAN too) . Also manages queue runs on connect aso, but take care to not listen on outside interface, it seems to be open relay (seems so at least by default, maybe can't even do better) |
| 00:28.10 | pandom | !fetchmail |
| 00:28.11 | dpkg | well, fetchmail is ESR's pet POP/IMAP client. It fetches mail from the server then hands it over to the local mda. or a tool that can use ESMTP ETRN extension or most frequently broken by not having a working MTA on the local machine. or most frequently fixed by reading the fetchmail manpage. |
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| 00:31.48 | ep | stew, win2k commands FIXBOOT and FIXMBR dont help. This report explains it better: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html |
| 00:32.06 | vladster | do I run the commands inside of gdb? |
| 00:32.08 | roo9 | I have a system where the df and the du totals for the disk don't match, du reports ~15% usage, df reports 100% usage, any ideas? |
| 00:32.38 | ep | Can anybody tell me is using LBA degrades the preformance of my hard drive? |
| 00:32.48 | stouset | roo9: on the same partition? |
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| 00:32.51 | DeadMan | hi all |
| 00:32.55 | roo9 | stouset: yeah |
| 00:33.15 | DeadMan | i have a bunch of mp3 files and i have to convert them all to wav, what is the best way to do that ? |
| 00:33.20 | stouset | roo9: do a du -hs <directory> rather than du -hs *. The * will miss hidden files. |
| 00:33.42 | roo9 | stouset: that's what i did "du -sh /var" vs "df -h /var" |
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| 00:34.20 | roo9 | stouset: /dev/ataraid/d0p5 9.4G 1.4G 7.5G 16% /var |
| 00:34.20 | roo9 | 1.4G /var |
| 00:34.28 | roo9 | wait! |
| 00:34.38 | Eclipser | >.< |
| 00:34.40 | roo9 | ok, never mind |
| 00:34.43 | Blissex | DeadMan: use a batch command line sound converter, there are a few, cant remember any specific name. |
| 00:35.12 | Blissex | ep: no, it may make it slighly better... |
| 00:35.24 | DeadMan | there is sox, but i dont know how to make a script of something to convert all the files |
| 00:35.26 | roo9 | Deadman: 1 sec |
| 00:35.35 | roo9 | deadman: i can write you a simple script |
| 00:35.44 | Blissex | DeadMan: there are batch command line converters... |
| 00:35.46 | roo9 | deadman: install mpg123 |
| 00:35.54 | DeadMan | got it |
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| 00:36.42 | roo9 | deadman: for i in *.mp3;do mpg123 -s "$i" > "$(basename "$i" .mp3)";done |
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| 00:37.04 | abrotman | DeadMan: you realize they won't sound that good right? |
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| 00:37.07 | roo9 | deadman: though that's non-recursive |
| 00:37.43 | caphuso | for a in *.mp3; do mpg123 -w "${a%mp3}"wav "$a"; done |
| 00:37.57 | DeadMan | thanks |
| 00:38.05 | roo9 | deadman: use caphuso's |
| 00:38.07 | DeadMan | abrotman, yes, i know. |
| 00:39.36 | w4rl0ck | what is a name of lib OpenGL ? |
| 00:39.45 | w4rl0ck | Could not load OpenGL library ;< |
| 00:39.55 | DeadMan | w4rl0ck, what video card u have ? |
| 00:40.06 | w4rl0ck | DeadMan, Nvidia |
| 00:40.09 | w4rl0ck | fx5200 |
| 00:40.17 | ^Ocean^ | install the proper nvidia drivers |
| 00:40.21 | w4rl0ck | my driver is instaled |
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| 00:40.36 | ^Ocean^ | u have the kernal mod loaded ? |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:40.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:40.46 | stephen_ | is it a bad idea to link passwd and shadow and nfs it out to another machine? |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | doesn't nvidia have it's own GL lib? or maybe that's ati |
| 00:40.53 | stephen_ | rather than using nis |
| 00:40.53 | stephen_ | ? |
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| 00:41.01 | ^Ocean^ | no nvidia has its own |
| 00:41.12 | ^Ocean^ | that should install with the drivers from the website |
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| 00:41.21 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 00:41.21 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 00:41.24 | caphuso | stephen_: "link"? |
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| 00:41.43 | stephen_ | ln -s /etc/passwd /exporttoclient/passwd ? |
| 00:41.53 | stephen_ | exporttoclient is an nfs export |
| 00:42.01 | stephen_ | all machines are debian boxes |
| 00:42.10 | caphuso | stephen_: how do you make sure that the nfs traffic gets encrypted? |
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| 00:42.35 | stephen_ | herm.. I dont.. is there a way to do that |
| 00:42.36 | stephen_ | ? |
| 00:42.55 | caphuso | stephen_: and how do you log in when the nfs server goes down? |
| 00:42.55 | deadcat | ldap |
| 00:43.13 | stephen_ | thinking of wring a script that takes a copy of it every few hours? |
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| 00:43.25 | stephen_ | not just placing it in /etc/? |
| 00:43.26 | caphuso | i'm really having a hard time not asking "what fucked up idea is that?" |
| 00:43.38 | deadcat | (= |
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| 00:43.38 | stephen_ | nis just looks horrible.. |
| 00:43.40 | abrotman | caphuso: do it anyways |
| 00:43.50 | hasan` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.53 | deadcat | stephen_: nis is better than your plan actually |
| 00:44.00 | caphuso | a lot |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | what about ldap ? |
| 00:44.01 | stephen_ | LOL.. probably |
| 00:44.01 | Rawplayer | why dont you scp it? |
| 00:44.14 | stephen_ | scp the passwd file? |
| 00:44.22 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 00:44.26 | abrotman | right .. your idea is better :) |
| 00:44.30 | stephen_ | what do you think caphuso? |
| 00:44.33 | stephen_ | scp it? |
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| 00:44.54 | caphuso | stephen_: i think you should use one of the well established ways instead of creating horrid kludges yourself |
| 00:44.57 | Rawplayer | or sync it |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | not that Rawplayer is helping :) |
| 00:45.16 | Rawplayer | or use samba :) |
| 00:45.16 | stephen_ | LOL.. |
| 00:45.18 | caphuso | nis and ldap aren't the only alternatives |
| 00:45.26 | stephen_ | samba? |
| 00:45.31 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 00:45.33 | Rawplayer | no dont |
| 00:45.36 | Rawplayer | i was kidding |
| 00:45.38 | stephen_ | what about uid's? |
| 00:45.43 | caphuso | better samba than this nfs nonsense... |
| 00:45.55 | stephen_ | samba cant handle user ids tho? |
| 00:45.58 | stephen_ | and group ids etc... |
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| 00:46.07 | stephen_ | i have a few boxes |
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| 00:46.28 | stephen_ | 3.. |
| 00:46.28 | stephen_ | one machine with nfs export.. |
| 00:46.28 | Rawplayer | use sync |
| 00:46.28 | abrotman | right .. that's so much better |
| 00:46.36 | stephen_ | the other two are virtual desktop machines.. which use the first one for home directories. |
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| 00:46.48 | Chameleon22 | i am trying t write an xbox iso and K3b tells me its not an ISO9660 image and refuses to burn ... any ideas how i could overcome that |
| 00:47.04 | nutshell42 | Chameleon22: buy the game? |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 00:47.20 | nutshell42 | sorry =) |
| 00:47.26 | michal_ | is there something wrong with the main debian mirrors? i'm getting 404 errors on apt-get upgrade |
| 00:47.46 | Rawplayer | you set some stuff up with dsa keys that you dont need a password to transfer file and make a script to scp the passwd file |
| 00:47.48 | michal_ | ie Err http://ftp.debian.org sid/main kernel-package 8.127 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.80.133 80] |
| 00:47.55 | Rawplayer | just |
| 00:47.57 | abrotman | try again |
| 00:48.00 | Rawplayer | its getting late |
| 00:48.19 | nutshell42 | stephen_: whatever you do, make sure you do it encrypted |
| 00:48.27 | stephen_ | Ok.. |
| 00:48.31 | stephen_ | message taken.. |
| 00:48.31 | nutshell42 | if you want to do it persistant you could try sfs |
| 00:48.39 | stephen_ | sfs? |
| 00:48.46 | nutshell42 | it's a nfs wrapper |
| 00:48.47 | vladster | streamtuner will not run inside of gdb |
| 00:48.48 | michal_ | anyone know what's wrong? |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | stephen_: which version of debian is this? |
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| 00:49.09 | nutshell42 | which uses ssh to authenticate the machines and users |
| 00:49.09 | stephen_ | main machine is testing.. |
| 00:49.14 | stephen_ | other two are stable.. |
| 00:49.17 | stephen_ | (current) |
| 00:49.36 | stephen_ | main machine has nfs server and usernames + passwords |
| 00:49.37 | michal_ | is the main debian archive corrupt or something? |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | michal_: no .. try again |
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| 00:50.05 | michal_ | abrotman: i've just tried over a hundred times.. stuck it in a for loop :/ |
| 00:50.07 | Chameleon22 | nutshell42: mmm nooo |
| 00:50.12 | caphuso | michal_: probably just in the middle of a sync. wait a few hours |
| 00:50.15 | abrotman | michal_: one of the servers is lame |
| 00:50.28 | nutshell42 | Chameleon22: no? |
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| 00:50.33 | stephen_ | how do you do the dsa key thing |
| 00:50.41 | michal_ | it always seems to resolve to the same ip for me |
| 00:50.56 | michal_ | 128.101.80.133 and no other |
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| 00:51.15 | abrotman | michal_: put another in your hosts file then? |
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| 00:51.40 | vladster | I got the cart to work now the horse is another issue |
| 00:51.42 | michal_ | hmm.. there is only one other.. i thought there were more.. just that one and 208.185.25.35 according to dig |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | michal_: there are lots |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | which hostname? |
| 00:51.55 | Chameleon22 | nutshell42: what makes you think i am burning a game |
| 00:52.02 | Chameleon22 | nutshell42: burning a dash |
| 00:52.12 | michal_ | abrotman: ftp.debian.org |
| 00:52.18 | nutshell42 | Chameleon22: yeah I had that idea about 2 secs after I'd written the first answer |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | michal_: are you in .us? |
| 00:52.41 | Chameleon22 | nutshell42: any way any ideas? |
| 00:52.44 | nutshell42 | sorry, it's IRC I automatically assumed you were burning a pirated game |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | michal_: use your .au mirror |
| 00:52.51 | nutshell42 | what type is the image? |
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| 00:53.04 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 00:53.05 | Chameleon22 | xiso basicly same type that games are encoded in |
| 00:53.08 | michal_ | abrotman: the au mirrir is always significantly (for me) out of date |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | then try ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 00:53.40 | michal_ | ahh.. that resolves to more hosts |
| 00:53.49 | dmp_ | xiso is really a format called 'gdf' |
| 00:53.53 | dmp_ | aka xdvdfs |
| 00:54.06 | Chameleon22 | dmp_: yep |
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| 00:54.18 | dodgyville | My 2.6.8 system seems to thrash a lot... |
| 00:54.22 | _linux_newbie | wie gehts |
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| 00:54.37 | dmp_ | english gehts |
| 00:54.49 | Chameleon22 | dmp_: is there a way to burn iso like that on k3b |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 00:55.05 | dmp_ | Chameleon22: if you have the iso, burning it should be all you need to do, as I understand it. |
| 00:55.12 | dmp_ | If what you want is to *GENERATE* the image from files, then no |
| 00:55.24 | dmp_ | but if it isnt a game, you dont need to anyway. |
| 00:55.28 | dmp_ | The xbox will boot udf isos quite happily |
| 00:55.45 | Chameleon22 | udf? |
| 00:56.00 | dmp_ | have a look at k3b settings |
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| 00:56.03 | sundial | udf on dvd+r? |
| 00:56.05 | dmp_ | it can make iso9660 and udf isos |
| 00:56.14 | dmp_ | sundial: sure, why not? |
| 00:58.02 | michal_ | does anyone here know why linux 2.6.x seems to get significantly lower network throughput (could be io bottleneck) than a windows machine or even an xbox? the slowness only exhibits itself when one of the two machines in the transfer is the linux machine.. t's really pissing me off :/ the hardware itself is more than capable of keeping pace and in fact did so when windows was booted on the machine |
| 00:58.12 | dmp_ | Gulp, that's a long sentence or two. |
| 00:58.20 | myren | i've already built my kernel, but now i want to add realtime-lsm |
| 00:58.21 | dataw0lf | can't .. read.. it.. all |
| 00:58.28 | dmp_ | michal_: dma not enabled? |
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| 00:58.34 | myren | any suggestions for building just this one new module? |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | which NIC? |
| 00:58.42 | abrotman | miitool? |
| 00:58.43 | dataw0lf | maybe ipv6 screwing around. |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | ethtool ? |
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| 00:58.49 | michal_ | dmp: as far as i can tell that's not even an options with SATA drivers |
| 00:58.50 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 00:59.02 | michal_ | abrotman: intel 1000CT |
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| 00:59.09 | michal_ | in 100 network |
| 00:59.22 | dataw0lf | do you have ipv6 enabled? |
| 00:59.28 | mlalkaka | what programs exist for linux, if any (possibly included in debian sarge distro), can recover files that have been deleted? |
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| 00:59.44 | michal_ | data: i don't believe so.. i didn't enable it at any rate.. is there a way to check? |
| 00:59.53 | dataw0lf | sure, check your modules list. |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | miitool? |
| 01:00.01 | michal_ | hang on a sec |
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| 01:00.24 | michal_ | abrotman: what would you like me to do with it? it returns "eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok" |
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| 01:00.54 | awj | So, I'm having a strange problem. Anyone else here using the fglrx radeon drivers/ |
| 01:00.54 | michal_ | dataw0lf, don't seem to have any modules that have anything to do with ipv6 |
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| 01:00.55 | abrotman | michal_: make sure it's full duplex etc |
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| 01:01.01 | abrotman | michal_: ifconfig -a |
| 01:01.12 | awj | ldconfig seems to be linking the wrong libGL.so.1 |
| 01:01.22 | michal_ | abrotman, no errors or overruns |
| 01:01.32 | awj | Rather than linking to libGL.so.1.2, its linking to libGL.so.1.2.orig.sav |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | sit0 ? |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | i think is an ipv6 device |
| 01:01.55 | michal_ | abrotman, no collisions.. nothing unusual.. could be the disks that are a bottleneck but i don't know how to test that |
| 01:02.07 | michal_ | no.. just eth0 and lo |
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| 01:02.12 | abrotman | iostat |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | free |
| 01:02.15 | abrotman | vmstat |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | i guess just iostat |
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| 01:02.27 | radiodurans | has it really been like 3 years since the last stable debian release? |
| 01:02.34 | abrotman | !woody |
| 01:02.34 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 01:02.35 | redguy | I recently bought a new ATA 133 drive to have more space availible on my VIA Apollo based fileserver. This setup works until I put the drive under heavy load. The box freezes then. What could be the cause? |
| 01:02.42 | fusQuanto | in setting up gpm, what arguments do i need to pass to make it output to /dev/gpmdata? |
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| 01:02.55 | fusQuanto | the repeater part |
| 01:02.56 | michal_ | just have to download sysstat to get iostat |
| 01:03.19 | stephen_ | ssh-rsa: command not found |
| 01:03.21 | stephen_ | ? |
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| 01:03.27 | doublehp | any one is experienced with WDS (wireless repeaters ) ? I have a prism2.0 PCMCIA card, and want to use it to repeat the network ... and I cant find any doc on how to set up hostap stuff for that. |
| 01:03.29 | stephen_ | anyone any ideas? |
| 01:03.38 | stephen_ | apt-cache search wont show anythig |
| 01:03.40 | michal_ | i can't see anything that's wrong.. but it's significantly slower than windows or an xbox when transferring files over the network :/ |
| 01:04.21 | hope22 | stephen_ what if you do ssh? |
| 01:04.50 | Jappis | hmm must ask. what is the situation of the software patents in europe? |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | eff.org |
| 01:05.11 | stephen_ | ssh calculon `cat ./id_rsa.pub` |
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| 01:05.22 | stephen_ | password prompt |
| 01:05.23 | stephen_ | then |
| 01:05.24 | stephen_ | bash: line 1: ssh-rsa: command not found |
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| 01:06.32 | stephen_ | any ideas |
| 01:06.34 | stephen_ | ? |
| 01:06.38 | hope22 | stephen_, I guess I may not be able to help. But, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:07.01 | michal_ | is there a deefinitive way to test the hard disk throughput when reading/writing a large file? |
| 01:07.10 | benjamindees | Jappis, it's in limbo, but not looking good |
| 01:07.26 | stephen_ | I have two boxes.. |
| 01:07.28 | disasm | stephen_: what are you doing? trying to generate an rsa key? |
| 01:07.38 | disasm | stephen_: if so ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 01:07.39 | stephen_ | just want to be able to do ssh calculon uname -a |
| 01:07.43 | Jappis | benjamindees, hmm. let's hope they don't come |
| 01:07.46 | stephen_ | without having to type a password |
| 01:08.06 | michal_ | seems also that SATA drives only support 16bit io under linux.. or at least as far as hdparm is concerned |
| 01:08.21 | disasm | stephen_: ssh-keygen -t rsa, then copy id_rsa.pub to authorized_keys2 on server in .ssh dir |
| 01:09.16 | bucky | michal_, windows is better |
| 01:09.23 | hope22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.28 | hope22 | \quit |
| 01:09.39 | michal_ | well it's certainly faster in this respect.. but so is a friggin xbox.. i don't get it |
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| 01:10.14 | disasm | stephen_: that work for you? |
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| 01:10.19 | fusQer | how do i change my X resolution? i just installed it and chose 1024x1280 but it is displaying 640x480 i think |
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| 01:10.24 | michal_ | maybe sata drive support sucks in comparison to pata :/ |
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| 01:10.39 | mlalkaka | what programs exist for linux, if any (possibly included in debian sarge distro), can recover files that have been deleted? |
| 01:10.43 | bucky | maybe you got the wrong drivers loaded |
| 01:11.06 | michal_ | bucky: not like you get any option in the drivers that are loaded. if you don't load them you can't boot |
| 01:11.14 | bucky | and trying to run gigabyte on 100 TX |
| 01:11.29 | stephen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.34 | michal_ | bucky: you do realise that that is not even possible don't you? |
| 01:11.39 | fusQer | how do i chagne resolutoins in X? |
| 01:11.58 | bucky | that doesn't stop some people from doing it |
| 01:12.03 | stephen_ | fusQer try ctrl + alt + + and - |
| 01:12.06 | disasm | mlalkaka: all depends on the fs, i know there is an r-studio version capable of recovering ext2/ext3 partitions |
| 01:12.11 | fusQer | id id that already stephen_ |
| 01:12.22 | stephen_ | what window manger are you using? |
| 01:12.24 | fusQer | stephen_, it works but doesnt do the one that i want |
| 01:12.25 | michal_ | bucky: so you are trying to tell me that some people use gigabit over megabit switches? |
| 01:12.25 | fusQer | windowmaker |
| 01:12.40 | stephen_ | herm.. |
| 01:12.51 | stephen_ | best advice is to try using xconfig again.. |
| 01:12.52 | fusQer | it only has 2 when i do that switch, 640x480 and like soemthing else godawful |
| 01:12.58 | stephen_ | and set it to a res that will suit.. |
| 01:13.07 | fusQer | so thats dpkg-reconfigure what |
| 01:13.12 | stephen_ | if you have problems just use ctrl + alt + backspace to kill server.. |
| 01:13.23 | stephen_ | brb |
| 01:13.28 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:13.31 | fusQer | thx |
| 01:13.48 | disasm | mlalkaka: but you have to have windows installed to run r-linux |
| 01:14.00 | bucky | michal_, some people screw up an install so bad and i don't know how they do it.. i can't even when i try.. and then they come in here saying "it works in windows" |
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| 01:14.20 | mlalkaka | disasm, oh. i dont have windows on this computer |
| 01:14.22 | stephen_ | scp /etc/passwd calculon works like a charm.. screw NIS! |
| 01:14.24 | michal_ | bucky: you don't even understand the problem it seems :/ |
| 01:14.31 | mlalkaka | disasm, and i have an ext3 fs |
| 01:14.41 | stephen_ | just set the script to download the file and shadow every so often |
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| 01:15.00 | bucky | michal_, ok.. what's your sata controler? |
| 01:15.18 | disasm | mlalkaka: wait, your on the computer? when you realize you need to recover something, first thing you do is shut it down, pull the hd, so the fs doesn't "accidentally" overwite the deleted data |
| 01:15.25 | michal_ | bucky: intel onboard.. 865G motherboard |
| 01:15.31 | radiodurans | should you have a chipset fan?...i dont have one... |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | i'm waiting to figure out what sata has to do with his network performace |
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| 01:15.52 | bucky | michal_, what's your sata controler? |
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| 01:16.00 | disasm | abrotman: i was wondering the same thing... |
| 01:16.22 | michal_ | bucky: ICH5 |
| 01:16.24 | bucky | he's got two problems |
| 01:16.49 | redguy | could you help me with my freezing box while you're wondering? |
| 01:17.05 | sorahn | hey guys, i was compiling the 2.6.8 kernel and i got a error trying to compile the kernel. "drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x6e446): In function `isd200_get_inquiry_data': : undefined reference to `ide_fix_driveid' " anyone know what that means |
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| 01:17.26 | abrotman | redguy: get a heater |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | problem solved .. next! |
| 01:18.12 | redguy | abrotman: hah, well it is in my basement, it's kinda cold there. But it's not freezing cold! |
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| 01:19.04 | abrotman | logs? |
| 01:19.16 | redguy | abrotman: nothing |
| 01:19.19 | sorahn | me? |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | redguy: run memtest? |
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| 01:19.41 | abrotman | sorahn: did you install build-essential? |
| 01:19.59 | redguy | abrotman: It freezes when I put the new hd under load |
| 01:20.21 | sorahn | i think so |
| 01:20.22 | sorahn | lemme check |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | redguy: sata |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | ?> |
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| 01:20.55 | redguy | abrotman: nope, the drive is a Maxtor ATA-133 thind and the chipset is an old VIA Apollo |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | memtest? |
| 01:21.34 | sorahn | libglade2-dev make gcc bin86 libc6-dev kernel-package module-init-tools |
| 01:21.37 | redguy | abrotman: hdparm says that the hd is using udma2. other drives do not complain |
| 01:21.47 | redguy | abrotman: when using udma2 |
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| 01:22.15 | abrotman | redguy: try turning that stuff off? |
| 01:22.43 | sorahn | abrotman, here is the end of the log |
| 01:22.45 | sorahn | http://rafb.net/paste/results/fI9RAC40.html |
| 01:23.24 | abrotman | sorahn: why are you building your kernel? |
| 01:23.35 | redguy | abrotman: hmm, that is the part i'm afraid of. man hdparm has many WARNING or DANGEROUS signs. |
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| 01:23.37 | RedPenguin | Can I force a package removal? I tried --force-yes but I will not remove because it can't find config files |
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| 01:23.42 | pmiller9 | how do I setup qmail to be a smarthost? I want to have outgoing mail forwarded to another smtp server |
| 01:23.42 | RedPenguin | With apt-get that is |
| 01:23.51 | sorahn | i need the 2.6.8 kernel for some wireless configurations |
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| 01:24.07 | sinplomo | hi |
| 01:24.09 | citral | redguy: just turn dma off, hdparm -d0 /dev/hd? |
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| 01:24.11 | abrotman | redguy: that's why i don't use it |
| 01:24.12 | Euclid_ | hi |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | sorahn: which version of debian do you have? |
| 01:24.18 | Euclid_ | hey guys |
| 01:24.21 | Euclid_ | can i ask you something? |
| 01:24.22 | sinplomo | i am trying using my webcam on linux |
| 01:24.24 | sorahn | sarge |
| 01:24.27 | sinplomo | but |
| 01:24.28 | sinplomo | <sinplomo> # gqcam -v /dev/video0 |
| 01:24.28 | sinplomo | <sinplomo> Error reading image... |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | sorahn: but sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | !ask |
| 01:24.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 01:24.50 | sorahn | i got the net install and it only came with 2.4 |
| 01:24.52 | stephen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | sorahn: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:25.08 | stephen_ | getting multiple files from one scp command? |
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| 01:25.10 | suifur | when you issue the command "apt-get install -d <packagename>" where does it download that package to? |
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| 01:25.40 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/archives probably |
| 01:25.41 | Euclid_ | i'm getting the following error when i execute "startx" |
| 01:25.45 | suifur | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:25.56 | Euclid_ | "no screens found" |
| 01:26.04 | Euclid_ | do you know how to fix that? |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | Euclid_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 01:26.12 | citral | or /var/cache/apt/ |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | or no screens found |
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| 01:26.20 | dvs | !no screens found |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | Euclid_: but hyou need to find thee error |
| 01:26.21 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 01:26.45 | Euclid_ | no devices detected |
| 01:26.49 | Euclid_ | that's the error |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | card? |
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| 01:27.01 | Euclid_ | gforce4 mx 440 64mb |
| 01:27.01 | redguy | citral: and to make it permament? /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
| 01:27.08 | citral | redguy: yep |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | go figure .. nvidia crap |
| 01:27.19 | sorahn | abrotman, just apt get that |
| 01:27.20 | Euclid_ | yeah, it's a shitty card |
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| 01:27.36 | abrotman | sorahn: you can |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | Euclid_: no .. all nvidia is crap |
| 01:27.51 | redguy | citral: and if that doesn't help? should I get a decent ATA controller? |
| 01:27.54 | Euclid_ | yup... |
| 01:28.02 | Faiper | HighPingedLPB, some one here, knows how to put fortunes to works in Shell Login ? |
| 01:28.04 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: And just what do you use? |
| 01:28.04 | sundial | it really is a good card it gives great color |
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| 01:28.13 | Faiper | Some one here, knows how to put fortunes to works in Shell Login ? |
| 01:28.16 | sinplomo | i am trying using my webcam on linux |
| 01:28.16 | Euclid_ | abrotman how can i fix that error? |
| 01:28.21 | sinplomo | but |
| 01:28.23 | sinplomo | <sinplomo> # gqcam -v /dev/video0 |
| 01:28.23 | sinplomo | <sinplomo> Error reading image... |
| 01:28.27 | sinplomo | whats that ? |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: mine works .. i'm not looking for performnace .. i want something that works with out spending three days fucking around |
| 01:28.38 | dvs | Euclid_: Use the vesa driver as a display |
| 01:29.02 | Euclid_ | ok, i'm going to try it |
| 01:29.04 | Euclid_ | thank you so much |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: intel |
| 01:29.18 | sinplomo | suifur, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:29.35 | citral | redguy: hard to say... isn't there any useful message in /var/log/syslog or kernel.log, just before the box freeze? maybe lost interrupts or... |
| 01:29.39 | suifur | sinplomo: thanks, got it from citral :) |
| 01:29.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I've never spent more than 5 minutes setting up a Nvidia card. I'm firmly convinced that most of what you see here is pilot error. |
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| 01:30.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: apparently a lot of bad pilots then :) |
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| 01:30.39 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy how should i fix that error? |
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| 01:31.00 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stureon was a optimist, after all. :) |
| 01:31.03 | notty | anyone here can tell me how can i use php-curl with php-cli ? |
| 01:31.05 | SilentB0B | Is it a bad idea to burn 2300 3 meg files to a DVD-R.... |
| 01:31.07 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: What errror? |
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| 01:31.09 | SilentB0B | Will the data get corrupt... |
| 01:31.17 | SilentB0B | Or should I wrap all the files into 50 meg chunks |
| 01:31.20 | SilentB0B | With tar |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | SilentB0B: bit rot |
| 01:31.30 | SilentB0B | bit rot? |
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| 01:31.31 | SilentB0B | huh? |
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| 01:31.57 | citral | !rot13 abrotman |
| 01:31.58 | dpkg | noebgzna |
| 01:32.07 | Euclid_ | i'm getting the No devices detected when i ran startx |
| 01:32.29 | redguy | citral: There is nothing. The other possibility is that the box has too little power, it has only a 250 W PSU. |
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| 01:32.49 | citral | redguy: ohoh, that is a bit poor maybe |
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| 01:33.09 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:33.30 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy i'm tryng to configure x11 with my gforce4 mx 440 64mb |
| 01:33.33 | Azar | I am bringing to the hard working guru helpers here a gift |
| 01:33.36 | citral | I saw a box freezing under load because of too little power |
| 01:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: Using what driver? |
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| 01:34.13 | scarynetworkguy | And No devices detected is *not* a error that startx throws. There is more to it than that. |
| 01:34.25 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy NV (the one that comes with Debian) |
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| 01:34.47 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: Should just work. You've done something else wrong. What is the real error? |
| 01:34.50 | WiFiTux | how do you call someone from Iran? |
| 01:34.54 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:34.54 | Azar | "The Right to Read" essay by Richard Stallman, I just enjoyied reading it myself http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html |
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| 01:35.00 | citral | an Iraner |
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| 01:35.46 | abrotman | iranian |
| 01:35.56 | citral | !lose me |
| 01:35.57 | dpkg | citral: You Lose. |
| 01:36.02 | plagerism | What is the file which holds the processing instructions in a deb package, and how can I extract it from a deb?? |
| 01:36.06 | redguy | citral: so too little power is more likely than incompatibility between the chipset and the drive? |
| 01:36.11 | WiFiTux | citral, ok, I odly need to know how to say square "park" in Iraner |
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| 01:36.23 | WiFiTux | Iranian |
| 01:36.27 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy when it's loading the NV driver it says (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (EE) No devices detected |
| 01:36.50 | citral | redguy: I think so, because if it was a drive problem, you would probably get some kernel messages before the system freeze |
| 01:36.59 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: New install? |
| 01:37.13 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy yes, first time with Debian |
| 01:37.16 | Azar | Euclid try get a newer driver from nVidia |
| 01:37.19 | ludi | tell me about nvidia driver installation please |
| 01:37.25 | ludi | FAQ or whatever |
| 01:37.36 | chealer | !tell ludi about nvidia-howto |
| 01:37.39 | ludi | thanks |
| 01:37.53 | chealer | Azar: nvidia doen't make nv |
| 01:37.56 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: When it ran the X configure script did you put in a busid when it asked for one? |
| 01:38.24 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy no, i don't even know what a busID is |
| 01:38.33 | Azar | chealer, I am afraid I did not understand your statement |
| 01:38.49 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 01:38.55 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: Good. What does the device section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 look like? |
| 01:38.58 | jetscreamer | leave the busid blank probably |
| 01:39.12 | Azar | nVidia the Debian way HOWTO: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidida/debian.html |
| 01:39.23 | redguy | citral: So if that dma trick won't help I'll try with some more power. thanks! |
| 01:39.29 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: And do *not* paste it here. |
| 01:39.33 | jetscreamer | oh lose the K |
| 01:39.37 | citral | redguy: no problem |
| 01:39.44 | chealer | Azar: the nv driver for X isn't made by NVIDIA |
| 01:39.45 | scarynetworkguy | Azar: It isn't a nvidia problem. |
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| 01:40.07 | chealer | Azar: but they do make the "nvidia" driver |
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| 01:40.10 | Azar | chealer so can you tell me then what "nv" means? |
| 01:40.29 | jetscreamer | it means non 3d nvidia driver |
| 01:40.30 | chealer | nvidia, most likely, but it's not nvidia's |
| 01:40.40 | chealer | yeah |
| 01:40.49 | Cyanophytes | anyone ever use a usb zip drive in linux |
| 01:41.01 | Azar | chealer, then rightfully the "nv" in the X server will be replaced by "nvidia" |
| 01:41.04 | redguy | citral: Maybe what abrotman said about getting a heater was a good advice, since a bigger PSU would generate more heat :-). thanks again guys |
| 01:41.12 | pandom | anyone help me with exim? |
| 01:41.12 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you wonder of a channel where I can talk with iranian people or hebrew? |
| 01:41.14 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 01:41.19 | chealer | !anyone |
| 01:41.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ask zap-w |
| 01:41.39 | citral | redguy: and don't be so afraid of hdparm, just forget the dangerous options that's all. In my case (ibook) I'd get only 40% of my drive's capabilities without hdparm, because debian defaults are very safe... conservative in fact |
| 01:41.44 | scarynetworkguy | Cyanophytes: No nobody has ever used a USB mass storage device in Debian. |
| 01:41.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman, who? |
| 01:41.46 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy Identifier Generic Video Card | Driver "nv" | Option UseFBDev True |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | !seen zap-w |
| 01:42.00 | SerpentWolf | Sorry abrotman, I haven't seen zap-w around |
| 01:42.01 | dpkg | zap-w <zapw@80.178.64.172.adsl.012.net.il> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 4h 9m 8s ago, saying: 'any idea why bitchx and irssi disconnect from a server after joining a channel with lots of ppl in it'. |
| 01:42.01 | chealer | Azar: it will be replaced? here nvidia just adds itself leaving nv available when I'm in trouble for example |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | SerpentWolf: turn that shit off |
| 01:42.07 | jetscreamer | Euclid_, turn the fbdev off, false |
| 01:42.15 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: And what do the docs say about the framebuffer and that driver? |
| 01:42.27 | Azar | chealer my X will not work with "nv" me using a nVidia video card |
| 01:42.42 | jetscreamer | Azar, then set it up properly |
| 01:42.45 | Azar | therefore I have replaced "nv" with "nvidia" after upgrading the driver |
| 01:42.47 | jetscreamer | azar what card though |
| 01:42.49 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hhmm .il |
| 01:42.53 | WiFiTux | !.il |
| 01:43.05 | dvs | !il |
| 01:43.05 | dpkg | methinks il is Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 01:43.11 | cef | scarynetworkguy: are the usb zip drives just mass storage tho? I seem to remember a seperate kernel driver for them |
| 01:43.12 | jetscreamer | later nvidia cards aren't supported by nv |
| 01:43.15 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy is not working |
| 01:43.18 | chealer | Azar: oh, that's possible. but you still have nv available. nvidia doesn't replace nv unless you manage to do that |
| 01:43.21 | Azar | jetscreamer, nVidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 01:43.35 | jetscreamer | Azar, should function, you're doing something wrong |
| 01:43.39 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: What is not working? |
| 01:43.40 | Azar | chealer yes indeed too bad "nv" is not working for me |
| 01:43.40 | chealer | I'm pretty sure nv should support that |
| 01:43.44 | Cyanophytes | scarynetworkguy: guess I will stick with my 100meg zip drive |
| 01:44.05 | Azar | jetscreamer, now it works ok I have configured the X to work with the newly downloaded driver |
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| 01:44.12 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy startx |
| 01:44.16 | WiFiTux | davix, you there? |
| 01:44.25 | scarynetworkguy | cef: I'd be *really* surprised if they weren't every other USB type stoarge device that I've tried has been. |
| 01:44.31 | WiFiTux | abrotman, /who *.il :) |
| 01:44.33 | asypher_ | anyone |
| 01:44.35 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: Yeah. WTF does that have to do with my last question? |
| 01:44.36 | cef | note about nv vs nvidia: nvidia's driver supports EDID monitor detection. which will override (to an extent) your monitor settings. nv does not, so doesn't change them |
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| 01:44.43 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: See what I meant? |
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| 01:44.51 | cef | scarynetworkguy: yeh well.. zip aren't well known for following standards |
| 01:44.57 | scarynetworkguy | cef: True that. |
| 01:45.03 | scarynetworkguy | Cyanophytes: OK. |
| 01:45.06 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy you told me to turn off useFBDev |
| 01:45.12 | ludi | "Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common" |
| 01:45.15 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy i did and is not working |
| 01:45.24 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: No I didn't. I asked what the docs said about it. |
| 01:45.40 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy oh, sorry. i missed that |
| 01:45.44 | pandom | what's the diff b/w MTA and MDA? |
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| 01:45.49 | Cyanophytes | scarynetworkguy: Was hoping to get some more storage space |
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| 01:46.07 | cef | MTA = Mail Transfer Agent, MDA = Mail Delivery Agent |
| 01:46.16 | scarynetworkguy | Cyanophytes: Does the word "sarcasm" mean anything to you? |
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| 01:46.23 | cef | and for completeness, MUA = Mail User Agent |
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| 01:46.26 | majortool | where can i get an unstable netinstall for 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:46.40 | Gnurdux | anyone know how to set up the phpbb debiana packge? |
| 01:46.40 | pandom | cef, i know |
| 01:46.43 | pandom | cef, tell more |
| 01:46.44 | Azar | majortool, kernel.org |
| 01:46.49 | Cyanophytes | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 01:46.50 | pandom | cef, give examples |
| 01:46.53 | majortool | Azar: what is the name of the image |
| 01:46.56 | cef | MTA = mail server like Postfix, exim, etc. it does the actual transmission of mail |
| 01:46.58 | Gnurdux | i used phpbb2-conf-mysql package |
| 01:47.10 | Gnurdux | but when i go to the forum it says: |
| 01:47.11 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy i just figured out something... |
| 01:47.14 | Azar | majortool you look and pick what you want from there is a http download |
| 01:47.19 | Gnurdux | Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later. |
| 01:47.25 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy my xf86config doesn't work properly |
| 01:47.31 | pandom | cef, what's MDA? |
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| 01:47.40 | fusquanto_ | i just setup windowmaker adn the dock to launch xterm is only launchable once, how do i make it so i can launch it again and again? ie: so its not greyed out |
| 01:47.44 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy it doesn't modify the XF86config-4 file |
| 01:47.45 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: No shit sherlock. |
| 01:47.53 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 01:47.53 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:47.59 | cef | MDA = something like cyrdeliver, deliver, or procmail. it handles putting the mail into the users mailbox |
| 01:48.11 | Azar | indeed with md5 the coin drops |
| 01:48.18 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy how can i fix that? |
| 01:48.24 | Azar | modify it and md5 won't work |
| 01:48.28 | cef | MUA = the actual mail client, like mutt, thunderbird, kmail, evolution |
| 01:48.37 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and *read*. |
| 01:48.54 | pandom | cef, mutt of mail(1) get mail from /var/mail/user, so there's no MDA in this case? |
| 01:48.57 | dvs | scarynetworkguy: You mean.... do it without a GUI? <gasp> |
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| 01:49.05 | cef | the MTA gets the mail sent to it, and hands it to the MDA |
| 01:49.15 | majortool | okay, i have download 4 different versions of the iso and none have installed the 2.6 kernel ... what installer will give me 2.6? |
| 01:49.15 | Azar | the fix is written right in the XF86Config file |
| 01:49.29 | dvs | majortool: At the boot prompt, linux26 |
| 01:49.33 | chealer | !no, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. WARNING for the first link : NVIDIA's drivers aren't in Sarge anymore, you have to use Sid's (ask me about quick sid/sarge mix). when asked to choose, use NVDIST=unstable |
| 01:49.40 | dvs | majortool: And that doesn't work with woody (3.0) |
| 01:49.45 | pandom | cef, mutt or mail(1) get mail from /var/mail/user, so there's no MDA in this case? |
| 01:49.45 | cef | the MDA puts the mail in the mailbox (eg: /var/mail/{user}) so that the MUA (eg: mutt) can pick it up |
| 01:49.53 | majortool | dvs: thanks |
| 01:50.06 | cef | pandom: I'm not the fastest typist, and I can see what you said the first time |
| 01:50.07 | mateja | does anyone have a thinkpad t40 or t41 with power management working on it? |
| 01:50.08 | dvs | majortool: np |
| 01:50.37 | mateja | i've been trying to put this puppy to sleep but i'm not sure which kernel modules i need |
| 01:50.43 | pandom | cef, i thought exim can put the emails into mailbox |
| 01:50.47 | cef | pandom: whatever your mail server is, it's using either an internal MDA, or using something like deliver or procmail to do the delivery |
| 01:50.51 | ezhdeha | hi there, does anyone know of a way to make samba accept all users no matter what ? |
| 01:50.59 | ezhdeha | security is not an issue (obviously) |
| 01:51.00 | pandom | cef, i see |
| 01:51.06 | abrotman | #samba |
| 01:51.09 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and yes i see |
| 01:51.28 | ezhdeha | abrotman: very sleepy channel :) |
| 01:51.57 | Euclid_ | scarynetworkguy how would you configure a ps2 optical mouse? |
| 01:52.11 | fusquanto_ | i just setup windowmaker adn the dock to launch xterm is only launchable once, how do i make it so i can launch it again and again? ie: so its not greyed out |
| 01:52.15 | cef | pandom: not sure about exim, but in postfix, there is an option of what MDA to use, and it has a default for one that is shipped with postfix |
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| 01:52.55 | pandom | cef, mutt and thunderbird confliqs |
| 01:53.07 | pandom | cef, i want to let the two share mailbox |
| 01:53.07 | cef | it's quite possible for the MTA to do MDA stuff too, but that just reinvents the wheel all the time |
| 01:53.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: The way I learned how to do it back before we had google. |
| 01:53.52 | jetscreamer | why the hell do i have to have 3 mta's on a local lan, why can't they share one |
| 01:54.04 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: They can. |
| 01:54.06 | pandom | cef, i'll off, thanks |
| 01:54.22 | jetscreamer | i don't even use one, just the cron needs |
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| 01:54.26 | cef | pandom: the best solution is to get your MTA to deliver to IMAP (which you'd have running locally on the machine). then just set up mutt and thunderbird to access your mail via IMAP |
| 01:54.31 | cef | pandom: but that |
| 01:54.32 | jetscreamer | and whatever else |
| 01:54.34 | vladster | that fixed it, I had to upgrade gstreamer |
| 01:54.47 | scarynetworkguy | Euclid_: And its a ps/2 mouse. Google you can find the reason for that on google also. |
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| 01:55.07 | pandom | cef, ? |
| 01:55.11 | cef | pandom: it isn't that simple, but it's not too hard to set up.. not done it myself though |
| 01:55.23 | pandom | !imap |
| 01:55.23 | dpkg | from memory, imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
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| 01:56.42 | cef | pandom: where to you get your mail from? /var/mail/user, or from an ISP |
| 01:56.49 | pandom | cef, IMAP should replace pop3 |
| 01:56.50 | cef | ISP's mailbox? |
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| 01:57.11 | jetscreamer | okie, how do i tell a system to use a remote mta instead of the local (but on a local lan, aka a box in the bedroom) |
| 01:57.29 | pandom | cef, a remote box, i can ssh on it, and i can pop3 to it too |
| 01:57.35 | jetscreamer | for the cron stuff and whatever else requires an mta present |
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| 01:58.16 | cef | pandom: ahh,.. if they had imap instead of pop3, it'd be easier. |
| 01:58.58 | Azar | I spent one year, me and my friends trying to setup a decent mail server on Debian Woody, tried exim, postfix, qmail... no way it never worked |
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| 01:59.27 | chealer | it worked!" |
| 01:59.28 | cef | pandom: imap's one drawback is that it's all server side mail, so look at offlineimap (pulls back your mail to a local imap setup) |
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| 02:00.51 | cef | pandom: otherwise you may want to look at fetchmail, which will fetch the mail from pop3. then you would probably want to get it to deliver to a mailbox locally and install an IMAP server locally too |
| 02:00.51 | togs | anybody using ipmasq on debian who can help me out? |
| 02:00.52 | mindframe | anyone familiar with installing cisco aironet 350 pcmcia cards w/ a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:01.07 | cef | mindframe: in my case it was just plug it in |
| 02:01.20 | mindframe | cef: i cant get cardmgr to see the slots |
| 02:01.28 | pandom | cef, and i use ADSL, i want to get emails from and send emails thouth that remote box. i don't know how to do. I tried fetchmail and masqmail |
| 02:01.37 | Euclid_ | how can i configure a ps/2 optical mouse in xfree? |
| 02:01.55 | cef | mindframe: has anything else worked in those pcmcia slots? |
| 02:01.58 | jetscreamer | Euclid_, the optical doesn't matter |
| 02:02.04 | jetscreamer | Euclid_, is this sarge? |
| 02:02.17 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 02:02.17 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 02:02.20 | cef | pandom: where are you running fetchmail/masqmail. on your (the ADSL) end? |
| 02:02.20 | mindframe | cef: yes, when i had windows running... and a few days ago on a previous debian install |
| 02:02.21 | Euclid_ | jetscreamer what is sarge? :S |
| 02:02.25 | pandom | cef, i want ssl pop3 |
| 02:02.35 | chealer | !tell Euclid_ about releases |
| 02:02.36 | cef | pandom: ahhh fun fun.. |
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| 02:02.38 | pandom | cef, yup |
| 02:02.42 | chealer | !d-i Euclid_ |
| 02:02.43 | dpkg | Euclid_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:02.46 | pandom | cef, yup, on my desktop |
| 02:03.05 | jetscreamer | Euclid_, what does cat /proc/version return |
| 02:03.08 | cef | mindframe: but not under debian.. ok.. the network card will work once you get pcmcia running |
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| 02:03.27 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 02:03.29 | jetscreamer | or uname -r Euclid_ |
| 02:03.40 | jetscreamer | one of the wires i bet... :) |
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| 02:03.54 | pandom | cef, i want to use smtp and pop in a secure way |
| 02:04.00 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: Can you pass power down a ps/2 cable? |
| 02:04.07 | scarynetworkguy | I didn't think you could. |
| 02:04.09 | mindframe | cef: i have support for pcmcia in the kernel... and the aironet modules are in |
| 02:04.14 | cef | mindframe: it's possible that pcmcia didn't install properly |
| 02:04.16 | pandom | cef, what's the best sulution |
| 02:04.25 | mindframe | cef: maybe remove pcmcia-cs ? |
| 02:04.26 | cef | pandom: I don't know, sorry |
| 02:04.27 | chealer | scarynetworkguy: your mouse would need a battery if you couldn't |
| 02:04.33 | jetscreamer | no idea never looked at the pinout... i was just thinking since it works that must be the way |
| 02:04.39 | p2-mate | scarynetworkguy: yes. ps/2 port carries power |
| 02:04.43 | pandom | cef, can i only use exim? i mean without fetchmail |
| 02:04.48 | cef | scarynetworkguy: ps/2 has +5v on it |
| 02:04.48 | majortool | when i launch the debian installer with linux26 it locks up and i can't even use the power button .. even with noacpi ... anyone have any other flags i can try? |
| 02:04.58 | scarynetworkguy | Oh cool. |
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| 02:05.21 | jetscreamer | hell Euclid_ kinda hard to help you when you don't answer |
| 02:05.34 | togs | where does debian store it's firewall rulesets? |
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| 02:05.46 | mufa | togs: /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 02:05.46 | dondelelcaro | togs: it doesn't. There are packages that store them, though. |
| 02:05.54 | scarynetworkguy | togs: Where you told it to when you set up whatever firewall you are using. |
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| 02:06.03 | scarynetworkguy | mufa: And it s/he is not using iptables? |
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| 02:06.10 | chealer | scarynetworkguy: if you find a mouse that doesn't need power, tell me and we'll start talking about business :) |
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| 02:06.22 | cef | pandom: exim is installed by default.. there is no reason you have to use it.. as for using it by iself.. well you need something to get the mail back to you.. an MTA usually listens on a port and gets mail delivered to it. it doesn't fetch it |
| 02:06.33 | togs | i'm trying to setup ipmasq'ing, reading the howto at tldp.org |
| 02:06.38 | mufa | scarynetworkguy: what are the chances he/she uses kernel 2.2? |
| 02:06.42 | scarynetworkguy | chealer: OK. As you can tell I've not ever thought about it much. |
| 02:07.01 | scarynetworkguy | mufa: I use a 2.6 on my Debian based firewall and it is not iptables. |
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| 02:07.16 | mufa | scarynetworkguy: are u using ipchains or what? |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:07.23 | chealer | scarynetworkguy: hehe no problem. I think I learned how mouses work before I started a PC |
| 02:07.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:07.29 | cef | pandom: what fetchmail does (by default) is grabs the mail from your mailbox, then pushes it into an MTA |
| 02:07.29 | scarynetworkguy | mufa: Nope not Ipchains. |
| 02:07.32 | pandom | cef, i hear mails can be get by smtp |
| 02:07.35 | sigp239 | Having issues setting up nvidia driver, need help please |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | heh .. ipchains |
| 02:07.39 | jetscreamer | wtf do you use mr cisco |
| 02:07.45 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:07.47 | jetscreamer | tables |
| 02:07.47 | mindframe | cef: i did apt-get remove --purge pcmcia-cs and re-installed. at the end it gave error ksyms: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 02:07.50 | sigp239 | module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 02:07.50 | sigp239 | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed, # |
| 02:07.50 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.50 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.07 | sigp239 | oops |
| 02:08.07 | scarynetworkguy | chealer: Heh. Besides assembling parts and a basic knowledge of chipsets and buses I'm not much of a hardware geek. |
| 02:08.22 | chealer | sigp239: get non-free, contrib, sid sources |
| 02:08.24 | cef | mindframe: ahh.. do you have modutils installed? |
| 02:08.45 | sigp239 | chealer: I have non-free and contrib |
| 02:08.48 | mindframe | cef: yes... got that and module-init-tools |
| 02:08.49 | sigp239 | should be good enough right |
| 02:08.57 | nitsua | Can anyone tell me where GDM saves the .desktop files for it's Sessions? Or atleast how to set GDM Sessions another way, I've looked everywhere and I can't find it. |
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| 02:09.38 | cef | hrm.. it's as though it's trying to install a 2.4 driver in 2.6, or vice versa |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | /etc/gdm/ ? |
| 02:09.38 | chealer | sigp239: you need unstable sources too |
| 02:09.38 | scarynetworkguy | nitsua: man gdm |
| 02:09.38 | jetscreamer | nitsua, ~/.dmrc maybe |
| 02:09.47 | jetscreamer | no sure |
| 02:09.49 | jetscreamer | t |
| 02:09.55 | nitsua | Not in /etc/gdm |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | there would be no gdm files in ~ |
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| 02:10.19 | jetscreamer | i have no idea what .dmrc does, but it has sessin stuff in it |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | nitsua: not /etc/gdm/Sessions ? |
| 02:10.23 | sigp239 | chealer: why? |
| 02:10.24 | nitsua | jetscreamer, no such file or dir. |
| 02:10.28 | nitsua | abrotman, no such dir. |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | nitsua: what version of debian? |
| 02:10.48 | mindframe | cef: when i try to start pcmcia, cardmgr says no sockets found |
| 02:10.54 | nitsua | abrotman, Um Sarge minimal install. |
| 02:10.55 | majortool | i get no keyboard response at the first language selection dialog during sarge netinstall rc2, are there any flags i can use? |
| 02:10.57 | outlaw | hello I looking for some assistance using the dpkg command the man and help page has left me more than a little confused |
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| 02:11.02 | chealer | sigp239: a release-critical bug that takes too long to be fixed can eventually get the affected packages removed from testing |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | nitsua: i have sarge installed .. and my GDM has that directory |
| 02:11.24 | mindframe | cef: how could i test to see if the pcmcia slots are fried? |
| 02:11.24 | cef | yeah GDM saves the last session (if it's not the default), in ~/.dmrc |
| 02:11.29 | jetscreamer | apt-file search gdm |grep -i session |
| 02:11.40 | chealer | outlaw: maybe you want the APT HOWTO |
| 02:11.44 | pandom | what imap stands for |
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| 02:12.00 | cef | mindframe: unlikely.. that QM_MODULES message means something didn't load |
| 02:12.05 | pandom | inter mail agency protocol? |
| 02:12.23 | HighPingedLPB | internet mail application protocol? |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | !imap |
| 02:12.24 | dpkg | well, imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
| 02:12.28 | cef | mindframe: and without the driver loader, you won't be able to access pcmcia devices |
| 02:12.40 | nitsua | jetscreamer, it says command not found. |
| 02:13.01 | outlaw | chealer is dpkg related to apt-get? |
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| 02:13.08 | holycow | hey all |
| 02:13.23 | cef | abrotman: that doesn't actually tell you whatr imap stands for |
| 02:13.23 | mindframe | cef: modutils and module-init-tools are both installed |
| 02:13.25 | chealer | outlaw: yes. more the opposite actually |
| 02:13.29 | holycow | how do i find out why nvidia-glx package isn't in testing but unstable only? |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | cef: i noticed |
| 02:13.30 | HighPingedLPB | pandom: it's internet message access protocol |
| 02:13.36 | cef | mindframe: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 02:13.40 | outlaw | hmmmm |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 02:13.46 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 02:13.57 | mindframe | cef: yes |
| 02:13.58 | holycow | abrotman, lol ... sonofa |
| 02:14.00 | holycow | thank you |
| 02:14.14 | mindframe | cef: i just installed it though... should i reboot? |
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| 02:14.35 | cef | nvidia-glx is a prime candidate for volatile |
| 02:14.39 | sigp239 | nvidia installation still not working |
| 02:14.58 | outlaw | I read a post where someone with and problem like mine solved it by "A dpkg re-run with --force-confmiss fixed it." |
| 02:15.07 | cef | mindframe: you could probably get around it manually, but you want it to work on the next reboot anyway, so give it a shot |
| 02:15.40 | mindframe | k brb |
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| 02:17.01 | holycow | thanks again abrotman thats great |
| 02:17.15 | sigp239 | can someone show me a FAQ or help me figure out how to modify my sources.list to install nvidia ? |
| 02:17.29 | chealer | !tell sigp239 about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | not that |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 02:17.38 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | that includes the sid/sarge mix |
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| 02:18.26 | sigp239 | *scratches head* |
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| 02:19.05 | wiredge | Hi, any deamon server i launch on my laptop are reachable for the outside world during a "time" but after this time (never the same, day, hours.. minute..) the deamon server is still launched but only reachable by the inside world via the local IP (192.168.0.3), any suggestion? PLEASE! :( |
| 02:19.23 | mindframe | cef: cardmgr still says no sockets found |
| 02:19.56 | aardvark | in soviet russia, sockets find you |
| 02:20.18 | mindframe | aardvark: please dont tell that worn out joke ever again |
| 02:20.23 | cef | mindframe: try 'cardctl status' |
| 02:20.27 | outlaw | sigp239 still there? |
| 02:20.38 | aardvark | mindframe: no chance sailor. |
| 02:21.07 | mindframe | cef: returned with 'open_sock(): no such device |
| 02:21.24 | sigp239 | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-fre |
| 02:21.27 | sigp239 | e |
| 02:21.29 | sigp239 | that right? |
| 02:21.39 | sigp239 | how do I get sid sources? |
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| 02:21.48 | sigp239 | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 02:21.48 | cef | mindframe: what does 'lsmod|grep pcmcia' return? |
| 02:21.50 | sigp239 | like that? |
| 02:22.03 | mindframe | cef: nothing loaded |
| 02:22.07 | cef | sigp239: yup |
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| 02:22.18 | mindframe | cef: its built in i believe |
| 02:22.28 | mindframe | cef: does it need to be module? |
| 02:22.28 | chealer | sigp239: if kernel.org was a debian mirror, that would be good |
| 02:22.29 | kiku | join #knoppix |
| 02:22.30 | sigp239 | both lines, the sarge and the sid? |
| 02:22.40 | cef | mindframe: ok.. 'lspci|grep Card' |
| 02:22.44 | mindframe | chealer: tds has a debian mirror... very fast |
| 02:22.57 | chealer | kiku: part #debian |
| 02:23.04 | mindframe | cef: Cardbus is recognized |
| 02:23.19 | mindframe | cef: shows the proper controller id and stuff |
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| 02:23.23 | abrotman | chealer: it is |
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| 02:23.32 | cef | mindframe: paste one of the lspci entries |
| 02:23.41 | outlaw | chealer I thought you were away .... may I ask you to look @ a post? |
| 02:24.00 | chealer | outlaw: ok. I look away :? |
| 02:24.08 | sigp239 | can I delete the sid line in my sources.list when I'm done?? |
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| 02:24.27 | chealer | I don't really know what's tds, but great to see that kernel.org is a debian mirror. never expected that :) |
| 02:24.37 | outlaw | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/11/msg00295.html |
| 02:24.54 | yebian | So, Im just to copy and paste into an email the do not delete anything between these lines part and send it to leader2005@vote.debian.org? |
| 02:25.11 | yebian | with my numbers in the brackets? |
| 02:25.14 | cef | mindframe: just paste it into channel |
| 02:25.24 | sigp239 | it's working :) |
| 02:25.29 | cef | mindframe: just one line though |
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| 02:25.31 | mindframe | cef: lol having trouble pasting from the damn xterm... touchpad |
| 02:25.31 | Xenguy | sigp239: why not just comment them out instead? |
| 02:25.44 | chealer | sigp239: yes, or set APT::Default-Release |
| 02:25.50 | sigp239 | do I need sid for the "apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx" |
| 02:25.55 | psychopath_mind | has any repository with kde 3.4 ??? |
| 02:26.04 | psychopath_mind | sorry!!!! |
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| 02:26.08 | abrotman | psychopath_mind: #debian-kde |
| 02:26.10 | psychopath_mind | now i see the topic |
| 02:26.18 | chealer | sigp239: yes |
| 02:26.27 | chealer | sigp239: -t unstable |
| 02:26.40 | sigp239 | k |
| 02:26.48 | sigp239 | can I remove non-free and contrib after I'm done? |
| 02:26.49 | mindframe | 0000:00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01) |
| 02:27.09 | outlaw | chealer got the same problem as this guy but for a different reason ... replaced Xfree86 with Xorg |
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| 02:27.25 | cef | mindframe: try 'modprobe yenta_socket' |
| 02:28.17 | chealer | outlaw: sounds like a bad idea, but I don't know why you tell me about that. I have no clue |
| 02:28.31 | chealer | sigp239: if you want |
| 02:28.46 | mindframe | cef: not found.. i know i didnt enable that in kernel. |
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| 02:29.05 | cef | mindframe: ahh.. you're running a kernel you compiled yourself? |
| 02:29.12 | mindframe | cef: yes sir. |
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| 02:29.31 | cef | mindframe: recompile time.. you need all the pcmcia stuff, pref as modules |
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| 02:29.39 | mindframe | cef: k |
| 02:29.43 | mindframe | cef: ty |
| 02:29.46 | cef | that's why pcmcia-cs is giving you grief |
| 02:29.51 | cef | mindframe: hold a sec |
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| 02:30.33 | simon_ | Hello i have a sarge version could u tell me please how can i get my mails from my hotmail account and yahoo account with thunderbird?? |
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| 02:30.58 | Rucas | howdy |
| 02:31.09 | c00l | has anyone tried to compile kernel 2.6.11.4 on debian woody r4 by hand? |
| 02:31.09 | chealer | !hotmail |
| 02:31.09 | dpkg | methinks hotmail is from satan, or a poor joke, or ascii pr0n, not html mail! |
| 02:31.17 | outlaw | sorry chealer I trying to find a solution to keyboard map problem .... made several posts describing the problem and my attempts to solve .... got no response so I thought I would try on IRC |
| 02:31.32 | dvs | c00l: You need a backport of module-init-tools |
| 02:31.48 | Rucas | how can i rerun the exim configuration script i got when i first installed exim4? |
| 02:32.01 | dvs | Rucas: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 02:32.03 | c00l | dvs is that it? |
| 02:32.06 | chealer | simon_: bad luck for hotmail. i heard about hacks, but not sure for UN*X. you won't find support in debian. you can always try google |
| 02:32.07 | Rucas | dvs: thanks |
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| 02:32.16 | dvs | c00l: Should be. I haven't tried it though. |
| 02:32.27 | cef | mindframe: once you get those modules built, you should be up and running |
| 02:32.29 | c00l | dvs tks, i'll try |
| 02:32.37 | outlaw | I'm pretty sure the kxb config files are pooched and I'm looking for a way to restore / replace them |
| 02:32.46 | cef | mindframe: btw: they are in the default kernel images.. hence why it probably worked before |
| 02:32.48 | c00l | dvs kernel 2.6 doesnt need modutils? |
| 02:32.49 | simon_ | thanks you |
| 02:32.51 | c00l | opss |
| 02:33.01 | dvs | c00l: No |
| 02:33.06 | c00l | dvs i think you understand =P |
| 02:33.07 | chealer | outlaw: you can't try, but don't ask me just because you think I helped you with a previous problem. that's kind of against IRC etiquette. |
| 02:33.08 | cef | you need module-init-tools for 2.6 |
| 02:33.22 | c00l | cef thanks! |
| 02:33.23 | chealer | s/you can't try/you can try |
| 02:33.29 | Azar | news: Debian leaders: Faster release cycle required http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39185097,00.htm |
| 02:33.34 | renegad3 | when using apt-cache earch, does that search the repos online? |
| 02:33.56 | dvs | Azar: And that's news? |
| 02:34.00 | renegad3 | search* |
| 02:34.17 | Azar | well the article was written today so I guess it is news |
| 02:34.24 | outlaw | chealer I'm very sorry if I was impolite .... it was not intentional |
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| 02:34.36 | chealer | outlaw: no problem :) |
| 02:34.53 | Azar | dvs, my personal opinion is that rushing the Debian versions is not a good sign |
| 02:35.15 | chealer | rushing...hehe :) |
| 02:35.21 | dvs | Azar: Is 32 months rushed? |
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| 02:35.24 | xam | Azar: what do you mean with 'rushing' ... |
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| 02:35.44 | bucky | Woody has been updated four times since then up to r4 now |
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| 02:36.01 | Azar | dvs, maybe there were 32 months because there was no rushing happening, and frankly I am very pleased at Woody's quality |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | bucky: that's not quite the same |
| 02:36.19 | Rucas | dvs: i just did "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" but it exited with no output |
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| 02:36.33 | dvs | Azar: I'm talking about sarge. Woody took less time |
| 02:36.40 | chealer | Rucas: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:36.40 | cef | Azar: yeah, but it is getting old.. it's good for servers, useless for desktops |
| 02:36.42 | bucky | they could have called it something different |
| 02:36.46 | Rucas | chealer: thanks |
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| 02:36.59 | fusquanto_ | where do i get hte wmxmms dockapp from? and hte synhtesizer dockapp |
| 02:37.00 | _joey | Is sarge stable now? |
| 02:37.03 | dvs | !potato |
| 02:37.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 02:37.08 | bucky | Woody.. Viagra... Cialis... Levitra... |
| 02:37.10 | Azar | dvs, maybe there is a good reason behind taking so much time |
| 02:37.17 | WauloK | !sarge |
| 02:37.17 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 02:37.23 | cef | _joey: nope.. but it may be soon.. |
| 02:37.33 | dvs | !woody |
| 02:37.33 | dpkg | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | _joey: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 02:37.37 | _joey | slackers |
| 02:37.44 | WauloK | !sarge release estimate date |
| 02:37.46 | dvs | Azar: 23 months for woody |
| 02:37.50 | thomas_adam | Troll. |
| 02:37.55 | Azar | the beauty is that anyone can jump to sarge or sid with no major problems |
| 02:38.06 | chealer | !sing sarge |
| 02:38.06 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 02:38.07 | thomas_adam | Azar: Heh. Errr... |
| 02:38.12 | WauloK | haha |
| 02:38.14 | cef | _joey: latest is that in the next few weeks, the security infrastructure will be in place, and then a month or so and we 'should' finally have sarge out the door |
| 02:38.16 | chealer | Azar: including security? |
| 02:38.18 | bucky | _joey, they're waiting till after the DPL election |
| 02:38.28 | solomonn | i wasn't aware of the possibility of debian dropping many arch's |
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| 02:38.30 | dvs | Azar: I'd agree with sarge... but sid? |
| 02:38.32 | fusquanto_ | where do i get hte wmxmms dockapp from? and hte synhtesizer dockapp |
| 02:38.42 | solomonn | i wonder how likely it is |
| 02:38.43 | Azar | chealer, so far I have not experienced security problems, but it can happen |
| 02:38.57 | bucky | solomonn, very likely to have a faster release schedule |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | thomas_adam: did you make the soup yet? |
| 02:39.10 | Rucas | chealer: thanks :) |
| 02:39.12 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Greyuer? (sp?) |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | bucky: never happen |
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| 02:39.16 | abrotman | thomas_adam: yeah |
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| 02:39.23 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yuppers indeedy! |
| 02:39.25 | llama32 | hi ppl |
| 02:39.34 | abrotman | thomas_adam: did you really? |
| 02:39.39 | chealer | Azar: it can happen for sure. http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 02:39.45 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Want to see what I had t'other day? http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/sea_bream.jpg |
| 02:39.46 | Azar | dvs, by the time the deb developers officialy stabilize Sarge everyone most like would be running sid and Sarge will be considered "history" |
| 02:39.49 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yes. Really. |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: was it good? |
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| 02:40.20 | bucky | abrotman, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/14/debian_reduced/ |
| 02:40.28 | dvs | Azar: Sarge is already behind with Gnome 2.10 |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | bucky: what about it? .. |
| 02:40.36 | thomas_adam | abrotman: It was delicious. |
| 02:40.37 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: God I hate you. :) |
| 02:40.37 | Azar | take for example the newest nVidia drivers and maybe other like it: they will only run on "unstable" |
| 02:40.46 | Azar | dvs :) |
| 02:40.47 | chealer | Azar: I think you miss something about sid. sid === unstable |
| 02:40.48 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Hehehe. He was a nice fish. :) |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | bucky: sarge was supposed to be done in like 10 months .. guess what |
| 02:40.59 | bucky | Debian release manager Steve Langasek made the announcement on a mailing list last night. |
| 02:41.01 | llama32 | can anyone assure me or warn me about the safety of ntfs resizing? i have an 80 gig that XP swallowed whole, so im stuck running linux on a 2gb HD, but my mum would chop me into tiny pieces if i killed xp... |
| 02:41.02 | helix | poor fishy |
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| 02:41.08 | abrotman | thomas_adam: someone stole his eyes!!! |
| 02:41.11 | Azar | chealer, yes I know I am running sid |
| 02:41.14 | deadcat | i did alsactrl store, but the next reboot, my pcm2 is still 0%. what a brother to do? |
| 02:41.15 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Yeah. He looks like it. And I ain't had really decent seafood since I got back from .sg. |
| 02:41.26 | helix | scarynetworkguy: were you visiting Phated? |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you live on the west coast ... |
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| 02:41.36 | thomas_adam | abrotman: He got drunk... |
| 02:41.37 | Azar | chealer and I am feeling guilty about doing it moving back to woody |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | thomas_adam: the fish did ? |
| 02:41.45 | fusquanto_ | how do i get the xmms dockapp that shows the synthesizer thingy? |
| 02:41.50 | T-mac | i'm new to linux and have a question. i can't find the answer anywhere. i had to register my ethernet card with my school's network, and i get an ip address for it. but when i shutdown the ip info clears out and i have to re-register the card again. is there anywhere i can permanently save changes? |
| 02:41.57 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yes. |
| 02:42.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: So? |
| 02:42.04 | WauloK | ok i rtfw. any way to tell what %age of woody jigdo remains to download? |
| 02:42.07 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Well, yes. White wine and garlic. Mmmmmm. |
| 02:42.10 | cef | erm, sid = the always in development dist.. it's not going to be released.. next release after sarge = etch |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you should be able to get some fish .. even i can |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: ah .. sounds yumm |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | y |
| 02:42.33 | deadcat | erikalds: sid will be released after sarge |
| 02:42.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I can. Just haven't really. |
| 02:42.44 | chealer | Azar: you really run sid? anyway, most people *won't* run sid by the time sarge is released |
| 02:42.46 | helix | scarynetworkguy: really? |
| 02:42.51 | Azar | sid will never be an official distro, it is the codename for the unstable state |
| 02:42.53 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yes. Really. |
| 02:42.58 | helix | when was this? |
| 02:43.08 | thomas_adam | abrotman: And that came about all because none of the shops around here had any white bait, at the time. |
| 02:43.08 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Last part of Jan. Why? |
| 02:43.08 | cef | helix! *pounce hugs* |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: last fish i had was my maple/mustard thing :) |
| 02:43.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 02:43.22 | helix | dunno, seems kinda weird for a man your age to visit a teenage girl in singapore |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: but i tell you .. it was great!!! |
| 02:43.24 | bucky | T-mac, easy way.. apt-get install etherconf |
| 02:43.25 | helix | cef! |
| 02:43.26 | ep | Cable modem, DHCP isn't auto-configuring but it did 3 days ago (same box and Sarge network install disk). Tried resetting modem. Any Ideas? |
| 02:43.27 | Azar | chealer, I went sid to see if my video card is indeed able to run on Debian |
| 02:43.33 | chealer | Azar: I know, that's why you're wrong about that |
| 02:43.36 | deadcat | helix: i was gonna say! (= |
| 02:43.39 | cef | helix: I have a new laptop.. woo! |
| 02:43.40 | T-mac | alright i'll try it. |
| 02:43.43 | helix | yay laptops |
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| 02:43.47 | chealer | outlaw: my pleasure |
| 02:43.48 | ep | Also, it works with knoppix. |
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| 02:44.18 | deadcat | whats the dpkg-reconfigure command to ask the autosave once thing? |
| 02:44.18 | Azar | chealer nothing wrong with trying to see what sid is all about |
| 02:44.18 | ep | I mean DHCP works if i boot from a knoppix disk. |
| 02:44.27 | khanman | that you maimy? |
| 02:44.29 | chealer | Azar: you didn't need to go to sid for that |
| 02:44.39 | cef | helix: P4 HT @ 3.2 Ghz.. 1 gig ram.. a big step up from the PIII @ 600 Mhz with 128 meg ram |
| 02:44.48 | helix | gosh |
| 02:44.50 | scarynetworkguy | helix: <shrug> Nothing wrong with going to visit a friend. Part was that I wanted to get back to Asia for a while and I've had other friends tell me that .sg is a rockin place. They were right. |
| 02:44.52 | helix | I'll say |
| 02:44.57 | Azar | chealer, nothing lost, I love reinstalls |
| 02:44.59 | dna_ | how do you access dhcp in debian? |
| 02:45.00 | ep | Not may day today. |
| 02:45.05 | sparr_ | how can i give a user permission to nice a process to -20? |
| 02:45.05 | chealer | Azar: unless you complain about your problems on #debian. you should have just got a sarge/sid mix |
| 02:45.10 | helix | scarynetworkguy: uh huh :) |
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| 02:45.13 | hikenboot | hello all Two questions anyone know of good web tv client for debian so i can take advantage of free tv? |
| 02:45.16 | chealer | Azar: alright |
| 02:45.18 | cef | helix: main this is, it's mine! all mine! |
| 02:45.24 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Get your mind out of the gutter. :) |
| 02:45.30 | ep | "my day" it is "may day" actually. |
| 02:45.50 | Azar | omg hikenboot, webtv runs on UNIX servers |
| 02:45.52 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: "whatever happened in .sg, stay in .sg" (= |
| 02:46.11 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Whatever. |
| 02:46.27 | deadcat | whats the dpkg-reconfigure command to ask the "autosave once" thing? |
| 02:46.41 | chealer | what's autosave once? |
| 02:46.45 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: just kidding. (=. if you're giving me that look, it means i am kidding. |
| 02:46.48 | cef | deadcat: setserial? |
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| 02:47.04 | Azar | um that is interesting, what is autosave? |
| 02:47.11 | deadcat | cef: ah. but that has nothing to do with my alsactrl store right? |
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| 02:47.24 | cef | deadcat: no.. tried alsa-base ? |
| 02:47.30 | deadcat | cef: k |
| 02:47.44 | cef | deadcat: but you didn't ask "what" autosave thingy.. *grin* |
| 02:47.44 | emcee | !test |
| 02:47.44 | dpkg | Yes, emcee, you're still online. |
| 02:47.53 | emcee | wow |
| 02:47.58 | deadcat | cef: i have always auto save. but whats that really mean?> |
| 02:47.58 | emcee | only barely |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | !pee emcee |
| 02:48.07 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:48.23 | cef | deadcat: means it saves the mixer state on shutdown |
| 02:48.33 | deadcat | cef: it doesnt. |
| 02:48.35 | cef | ie: if it's muted on shutdown, next boot, it'll be muted |
| 02:48.57 | cef | then either it can't write, or it's not running the init.d script on shutdown |
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| 02:49.23 | llama32 | [i asked this the other day but didnt get much response]: i have 2 2gig hard drives, and im barely surviving running off of one, so if i were to repartition to use both, what would be the best setup? root & swap on one and /usr on the other? |
| 02:49.24 | deadcat | cef: ya. maybe not running the init.d script. let me check |
| 02:50.03 | Azar | wow, XFree 4.5.0 is officially out! |
| 02:50.32 | cef | llama32: could work.. depends on your usage.. you could always try software raid 0 (striping) |
| 02:50.34 | deadcat | cef: maybe i dont have : /var/lib/alsa/autosave-once |
| 02:50.36 | sundial | wait until 4.5.2 so all them bugs are fixedx |
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| 02:51.05 | cef | deadcat: make sure the dir exists |
| 02:51.17 | yebian | is there an xorg apt repository other than ubuntu? |
| 02:51.20 | Azar | I wonder if goes with Woody..I assume not |
| 02:51.28 | cef | Azar: have they changed the license yet? |
| 02:51.33 | deadcat | cef: just touch the file.... and just found what the f pcm2 is, "pcm,1" HAHAHAH asshole alsa (= |
| 02:51.47 | Azar | cef for what, the new XFree? |
| 02:51.54 | deadcat | yebian: deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main |
| 02:51.59 | cef | Azar: yeah.. back to the old license |
| 02:52.01 | sorahn | im trying to set up X to use VNC so i can get to this computer from another linux machine with VNC, and also from a windows maching, i did 'apt-get isntall vnc4server' but when i try to connect it says no route to host |
| 02:52.02 | deadcat | yebian: i doubt it will work though |
| 02:52.24 | Azar | um I am reading the site as we speak I see nothing about license |
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| 02:52.33 | deadcat | yebian: it fucked my ibook pretty bad. had to remove all the X stuff and reinstall/config |
| 02:52.35 | yebian | deadcat: I got ubuntu's xorg yesterday and it sailed like silk |
| 02:52.43 | ep | I have a cable modem. I can't net-install because DHCP isn't auto-configuring like it did 3 days ago on the same box and install disk. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:53.01 | cef | Azar: bugger.. the XFree 4.4+ license is annoying... so don't expect xfree 4.5 in deb anytime soon |
| 02:53.19 | tomb0y | ep: you choosing the right driver for your nic ? |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | cef: it won't happen |
| 02:53.25 | Azar | cef, allright I was using 4.0 anyways |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 02:53.26 | dpkg | i guess xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 02:53.26 | yebian | deadcat: but I didnt delete the apt source and reupdate and it screwed me |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | read that faq for more info |
| 02:53.35 | ep | i think so |
| 02:53.44 | deadcat | yebian: ah... got some screenshot? |
| 02:54.02 | clueless | What do I need to do to get windowmaker docapps to start automatically? I put them in the .xinitrc and it still does not start.... |
| 02:54.14 | yebian | I didn't take one but this time I'll whack out the ubuntu apt source and show you |
| 02:54.35 | cef | abrotman: that was my point |
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| 02:54.47 | Paganist | <Azar> omg hikenboot, webtv runs on UNIX servers <---- geez man, server or not, a unix station still is a unix staton, hikenboot was only looking for a web tv client... you just beeing rude man |
| 02:54.49 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Yeah I figured that much. |
| 02:55.04 | deadcat | bass and treble on my sblive5.1 dont seem to do shit |
| 02:55.12 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 02:55.37 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: WRT you kidding. |
| 02:55.43 | Azar | Paganist I appologize if it sound rude, I misread his question, he means he needs to watch TV on his PC? |
| 02:55.43 | deadcat | !wrt |
| 02:55.44 | dpkg | well, wrt is with respect to, or with regards to |
| 02:55.50 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: oh ya (= |
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| 02:56.30 | cef | deadcat: sounds about right (bass/treble) |
| 02:56.54 | Azar | Paganist I am sorry, I thought he wants to use a webtv unit like I have |
| 02:57.21 | Paganist | Azar: no worries, i think he wanted a web tv client |
| 02:57.24 | Paganist | simply |
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| 02:57.52 | Azar | Oh, I see... my mistake I misread his question |
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| 02:58.33 | cef | I should move my mail to my new lappy |
| 02:58.51 | fusquanto_ | can someone help me adjust my refresh rate in X? ive tried like 10 times doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and whiel i can specify a range of resolutoins, i cant select a refresh rate, i want to run 1280x1024 and the way it currently does it, the screen is shakign horribly |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | turn off the flourescent lights :) |
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| 03:00.04 | dadude | hellohello |
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| 03:00.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Maybe s/he is having a earthquake? |
| 03:00.34 | deadcat | dampjam: u2? |
| 03:00.43 | cef | fusQuanto: change the values in the X config for the HorizSync option in XF86Config-4 |
| 03:01.07 | fusquanto_ | thats what i just did cef :) thanks |
| 03:01.09 | fusquanto_ | testing |
| 03:01.10 | fusquanto_ | bye |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: heh |
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| 03:04.30 | deadcat | yebian: whats the line to get xorg? |
| 03:04.47 | fusquanto_ | in windowmaker, how do i make xterm dockapp be clickable infinetly? i just installed it in debian and i can click it once adn then it greys out |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | deadcat: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | deadcat: oh .. you mean from ubuntu? |
| 03:05.10 | deadcat | fusquanto_: right click on the xterm and check out the options |
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| 03:05.22 | deadcat | abrotman: ya. the one that works. (= |
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| 03:05.36 | cef | fusquanto_: how's X now? not so shaky? |
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| 03:08.28 | abrotman | you killed him |
| 03:08.33 | fusQuanto | cef yes X is better |
| 03:08.34 | cafuego | sure hope so |
| 03:09.08 | fusQuanto | deadcat isnt it something like exec -o or soemthing |
| 03:09.18 | T-mac | hey buck, it worked for me (apt-get install etherconf) thanks a lot! |
| 03:09.18 | T-mac | bucky* |
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| 03:09.31 | deadcat | fusQuanto: whats your q? |
| 03:09.46 | Azar | good night honorables I envy y'all for being able to enjoy the conversations all day long |
| 03:10.11 | fusQuanto | deadcat to make the dockapp in windowmaker for xterm to be infinetly clickable, right now as it is default to click once only and then it greys out |
| 03:10.55 | deadcat | fusQuanto: oh.. i had it working back in the days when i use wmaker. but i rm all the configs by now. |
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| 03:11.18 | deadcat | fusQuanto: but definately not just exec -o. theres an option you check. |
| 03:12.18 | caphuso | wasn't there something like shift-clicking? |
| 03:12.25 | deadcat | fusQuanto: instead of clicking to launch an app. i recommend xbindkeys |
| 03:12.55 | caphuso | damn... to long ago that i've used wmaker, completely forgot anything |
| 03:14.10 | dna_ | how do I find the installation path for mozilla? |
| 03:14.14 | dna_ | in command mode |
| 03:14.19 | dna_ | command line |
| 03:14.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:14.33 | dna_ | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, |
| 03:14.34 | dna_ | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | which mozilla |
| 03:14.40 | dna_ | 1.0 |
| 03:14.41 | deadcat | dna_: whereis |
| 03:14.52 | dna_ | thank you |
| 03:16.26 | dampjam | deadcat: what? |
| 03:17.03 | deadcat | dampjam: i dont know |
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| 03:20.14 | benjamindees | do distros like Gentoo/Knoppix/Mepis help to stabilise Debian more quickly or not? |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | what kind of question is that? |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | and how does gentoo fit in? |
| 03:20.59 | benjamindees | egh |
| 03:20.59 | binarydigit | ha |
| 03:21.11 | benjamindees | Ubuntu I meant :( |
| 03:21.13 | benjamindees | heh |
| 03:21.17 | cef | benjamindees: depends if they feed patches upstream.. wether that be to the authors of the original code, or to Debian |
| 03:21.20 | binarydigit | yea you spelled it completely wrong |
| 03:21.41 | cef | benjamindees: and it also depends on wether debian accepts them |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | benjamindees: they are not debian |
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| 03:22.31 | deadcat | benjamindees: no. they dont do shit to debian. |
| 03:22.52 | cef | benjamindees: but they only tend to help debian on the architectures they themselves support, and can in fact be detrimental to the architectures that they don't |
| 03:22.53 | abrotman | they leech |
| 03:22.56 | wilbertoki | any idea for file system for external drive to be used between debian and mac os x? |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | vfat |
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| 03:23.40 | cef | abrotman: bah.. even RH leech from debian, and debian has leeched from RH in the past |
| 03:23.44 | wilbertoki | abrotman: is vfat have good performance |
| 03:24.13 | deadcat | wilbertoki: you have no choice. (= |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | wilbertoki: of course not :) |
| 03:24.42 | WiFiTux | hhmm someone here has a nice cpufreqd? |
| 03:24.45 | wilbertoki | I was thinking ext2 |
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| 03:25.04 | abrotman | wilbertoki: you need to find out if osx can read ext2/3 |
| 03:25.10 | wilbertoki | it can with plugin |
| 03:25.15 | mcliberlinux | hello |
| 03:25.20 | deadcat | wilbertoki: then do ext3 |
| 03:25.22 | wilbertoki | abrotman: I thought there might be a better choice but I guess not |
| 03:25.51 | wilbertoki | deadcat: what the utility I use to partition disk and then format? |
| 03:25.51 | TheBlueWizard | how do I create ssh public/private keys? is there a howto doc for it? |
| 03:26.01 | deadcat | wilbertoki: cfdisk |
| 03:26.16 | wilbertoki | thebluewizard: I believe they are created when you configure sshd |
| 03:26.18 | deadcat | TheBlueWizard: debian-administration.org or google |
| 03:26.22 | abrotman | wilbertoki: wrong keys |
| 03:26.22 | mcliberlinux | hello |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | TheBlueWizard: man ssh ? |
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| 03:26.37 | deadcat | mcliberlinux: you said that already.. dammit. hello... happy now? |
| 03:26.49 | cef | TheBlueWizard: you're trying to create your own keys for authentication purposes? |
| 03:26.50 | wilbertoki | thebluewizard: if you have ssh installed they should be in .ssh of your home dir I think |
| 03:27.01 | TheBlueWizard | abrotman: read the man, but it isn't clear.... |
| 03:27.06 | TheBlueWizard | cef: yeah |
| 03:27.06 | mcliberlinux | deadcat hello |
| 03:27.12 | deadcat | mcliberlinux: shut up! |
| 03:27.21 | cef | TheBlueWizard: ssh-keygen is the prog you want |
| 03:27.24 | mcliberlinux | you ! |
| 03:27.29 | TheBlueWizard | ah! |
| 03:27.41 | mcliberlinux | fucking. |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | what is wrong with you? |
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| 03:28.29 | wilbertoki | deadcat: cfdisk? |
| 03:28.36 | SilentB0B | What is 130 euro in USD? |
| 03:28.43 | abrotman | SilentB0B: use yahoo exchange rates |
| 03:28.43 | deadcat | wilbertoki: ya. cfdisk /dev/sdX scsi right? |
| 03:28.49 | deadcat | SilentB0B: google |
| 03:28.52 | cef | SilentB0B: http://www.xe.net/ucc/ |
| 03:29.05 | deadcat | SilentB0B: most of us are geeks. not accountants |
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| 03:29.35 | mcliberlinux | deadcat mother fucking. |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | mcliberlinux: what is wrong with you? |
| 03:29.45 | deadcat | mcliberlinux: mother fucker, not fucking |
| 03:30.06 | wilbertoki | deadcat: yes /dev/sda1 |
| 03:30.26 | deadcat | wilbertoki: cfdisk /dev/sda, then mkfs.<extention you want> |
| 03:30.35 | mcliberlinux | no speak inglish,only spanish. fucker. |
| 03:30.39 | deadcat | abrotman: apparently i have offended him by saying hello back to him (= |
| 03:30.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:30.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:31.08 | wilbertoki | deadcat: your the man thanks -- I have been googling but I keep getting irrelevent info |
| 03:32.00 | deadcat | wilbertoki: google "disk partition debian" |
| 03:32.03 | mcliberlinux | las personas que hablen español y quieran unirse a una organizacion de difucion de distribuciones de sofware libre porfavor incibase en mcliber@linux.cl |
| 03:32.25 | deadcat | ^^ spammer? |
| 03:32.45 | mcliberlinux | fucker. |
| 03:32.55 | wilbertoki | deadcat: uhoh cfdisk gives error bad partition |
| 03:33.10 | cef | nah it's a question about the organisation of debian I think |
| 03:33.18 | deadcat | o |
| 03:33.27 | deadcat | cef: i thought hes selling software (= |
| 03:33.39 | wilbertoki | deadcat: running fsck hopefully this will fix it |
| 03:33.41 | deadcat | wilbertoki: cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:33.51 | cef | deadcat: not sure.. could be .. I don't speak spanish |
| 03:34.02 | caphuso | "sofware libre" doesn't look like selling |
| 03:34.02 | cef | deadcat: guess it could be interpreted both ways |
| 03:34.04 | deadcat | cef: me either. |
| 03:34.16 | mcliberlinux | maldito conchetumadre. |
| 03:34.20 | deadcat | cef: HAHAHAH |
| 03:34.26 | cureless | mcliberlinux, español: #debian-es, además, es difusión, no difucion |
| 03:34.27 | caphuso | mcliberlinux: this is an english speaking channel |
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| 03:34.35 | llama32 | anyone here had any experience resizing ntfs? |
| 03:34.40 | cef | mindframe: any luck? |
| 03:34.44 | deadcat | wilbertoki: does /dev/sda show up in /proc/partitions? |
| 03:34.48 | wilbertoki | yes |
| 03:35.03 | mindframe | cef: kind of... got the card working. having trouble bringing the interface up now. |
| 03:35.09 | wilbertoki | deadcat: sda and sda1 |
| 03:35.11 | mcliberlinux | capusho ??? |
| 03:35.12 | benjamindees | llama32, yes, I use the System Rescue CD, works well |
| 03:35.17 | cef | mindframe: done wireless stuff before? |
| 03:35.22 | wilbertoki | deadcat: i have tried unmounting it and mounted same thing |
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| 03:35.29 | mindframe | cef: not with linux |
| 03:35.31 | deadcat | wilbertoki: try fdisk /dev/sda, and wipe everything if its not important. then either use fdisk or cfdisk to repartition |
| 03:35.34 | pureone | llama32 ive done it once and all went well had to resize 40gb to 30 gb |
| 03:35.42 | llama32 | benjamindees: u think its near 100% safe? |
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| 03:35.55 | mcliberlinux | curelees disculpa mi escritura yo hablo español pero estoy mucho año en belgica |
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| 03:36.03 | mindframe | cef: read some howto with the same configuration as me.. cept a 2.4 kernel |
| 03:36.08 | mcliberlinux | y mi idioma se confunde.. |
| 03:36.10 | wilbertoki | deadcat: I tried cfdisk /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 |
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| 03:36.20 | wilbertoki | deadcat: you told me to do that but I thought you just left off the one |
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| 03:36.25 | deadcat | wilbertoki: you SHOULD /dev/sda not sda1 |
| 03:36.29 | cef | mindframe: ok.. familiar with the network setup in debian (/etc/network/interfaces) at all? |
| 03:36.36 | mindframe | cef: yes |
| 03:36.51 | llama32 | thanks pureone & benjamindees, i think im about game enough to resize the partition thats taking up my entire 80gig drive |
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| 03:36.55 | benjamindees | llama32, I haven't had problems |
| 03:37.01 | mindframe | cef: should it be called eth1 or wifi0 ? |
| 03:37.04 | cef | mindframe: ok.. you can put wireless stuff in /etc/network/interfaces for the interface |
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| 03:37.20 | wilbertoki | deadcat: is one primary partition with two logical partitions (one 220 gig reiser and one 30 gig fat32) a good scheme? |
| 03:37.28 | cef | mindframe: it comes up as both, right? use eth1 |
| 03:37.41 | cef | mindframe: the wifi0 is mainly an administratgive interface |
| 03:37.54 | abrotman | reiser? |
| 03:37.56 | mindframe | cef: ok. i have eth0 and eth1 set to dhcp in interfaces |
| 03:38.02 | deadcat | wilbertoki: sounds ok. whats reiser gonna do on a portable drive? |
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| 03:38.41 | wilbertoki | deadcat: I dont know -- I thought it was fast and good |
| 03:38.45 | caphuso | deadcat: crash and fail? |
| 03:38.52 | mwilson | wilbertoki: It's neither. |
| 03:38.55 | deadcat | wilbertoki: ^^ (= |
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| 03:39.55 | cef | mindframe: ok.. make sure you have 'wireless-tools' installed |
| 03:40.30 | mindframe | cef: check |
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| 03:40.40 | [LTD]Rodriguez | which shellscripting does freebsd use? |
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| 03:40.52 | deadcat | [LTD]Rodriguez: who cares |
| 03:40.53 | mwilson | [LTD]Rodriguez: Use whatever shell you like. |
| 03:41.07 | [LTD]Rodriguez | ifconfig should run under any? |
| 03:41.17 | deadcat | [LTD]Rodriguez: try it |
| 03:41.21 | wilbertoki | in cfdisk I set fs type to linux if I want ext2 and then mkfs to format? |
| 03:41.23 | mwilson | [LTD]Rodriguez: Why wouldn't it? |
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| 03:41.30 | deadcat | [LTD]Rodriguez: most of us are running debian here |
| 03:41.36 | llama32 | would 10 gig be enough for a full-ish installation (kde+gnome+openoffice, etc.)? im thinking redhat 9 cus its the only distro i have with all the packages i want (im on dialup so i cant just apt-get it all)... |
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| 03:41.43 | deadcat | wilbertoki: ya. |
| 03:41.44 | wilbertoki | my question is do I need to set fs in cfdisk if I format with mkfs? |
| 03:42.01 | cef | ok.. in interfaces, under the config for that interface, you need to add commands for iwconfig (prefixed with 'wireless-' - eg: wireless-essid "blah").. 'man wireless' is your friend here |
| 03:42.13 | deadcat | wilbertoki: to save space. use -m 0% |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | llama32: should be yes |
| 03:42.28 | deadcat | wilbertoki: just use default linux |
| 03:42.45 | llama32 | sick, goodbye 2gb! |
| 03:42.48 | abrotman | [LTD]Rodriguez: #freebsd |
| 03:43.01 | deadcat | cef: i have wireless_ for my interfaces |
| 03:43.16 | wilbertoki | deadcat: I do -m 0% when I mkfs? |
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| 03:43.35 | deadcat | wilbertoki: i would mkfs.ext3 -m 0% |
| 03:44.05 | wilbertoki | deadcat: for an external drive wouldnt ext2 be faster? |
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| 03:44.19 | deadcat | wilbertoki: i guess. as long as they are just porn (= |
| 03:44.20 | mindframe | cef: do i have to set the ssid? or can i set it to "any" ? |
| 03:44.32 | deadcat | mindframe: set as much as you can |
| 03:44.37 | fusquanto_ | what package do ig et to play avi's and mpg's and such via firefox? |
| 03:44.53 | mwilson | wilbertoki: What does the drive being internal vs external have to do with it? |
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| 03:45.12 | deadcat | fusquanto_: apt-cache search firefox mplayer vlc plugin |
| 03:45.24 | fusquanto_ | thx |
| 03:45.25 | wilbertoki | mwilson: I thought because it will only hold media files /documents not system files |
| 03:45.32 | alec | wilbertoki, be careful reserving 0% of free space as your drive will function much less efficently when nearing full |
| 03:45.44 | alec | wilbertoki, it's reserved for a reason :) |
| 03:45.48 | cef | mindframe: if you end up using lots of wireless networks, you may want to look at waproamd.. but it's not the best solution to the problem |
| 03:46.00 | cef | mindframe: what does the card lights show? |
| 03:46.01 | deadcat | alec: i thought those 5% is for root to fuck around when its 100% |
| 03:46.15 | caphuso | deadcat: it's also there to prevent fragmentation |
| 03:46.22 | fusquanto_ | deadcat, um nothign came up |
| 03:46.32 | alec | deadcat, that's certainly one reason |
| 03:46.36 | deadcat | caphuso: oh.. |
| 03:46.48 | deadcat | fusquanto_: stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:47.00 | abrotman | woody/sarge/sid ? |
| 03:47.04 | deadcat | fusquanto_: you have non-free and contrib? |
| 03:47.12 | cef | mindframe: sure you've compiled the aironet driver? |
| 03:47.18 | fusquanto_ | unstable |
| 03:47.21 | fusquanto_ | nope, adding now thx |
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| 03:47.24 | mindframe | cef: activity is solid. yes its in as a module and its running. |
| 03:47.27 | deadcat | fusquanto_: that wasnt a fill.in.the.blank question (= |
| 03:47.28 | mindframe | cef: airo_cs right? |
| 03:47.43 | cef | mindframe: yeah.. solid means it's only half-way started |
| 03:47.47 | caphuso | you can obviously argue if you really need 5% reserved filesystems as large as nowadays, but keeping some reserved is definitely a good idea if there's a chance that you will fill it up |
| 03:47.51 | cef | try pulling the card out and putting it back in |
| 03:48.06 | deadcat | caphuso: not gonna waste 5% of 200gig |
| 03:48.12 | alec | deadcat, looked around and can't back that up with a link, but I'm fairly certain it's correct |
| 03:48.20 | caphuso | i'm too lazy to change the default myself :) |
| 03:48.27 | fusquanto_ | Mar 18 21:48:32 localhost groupadd[3519]: new group: name=messagebus, gid=103 |
| 03:48.28 | fusquanto_ | Mar 18 21:48:32 localhost useradd[3522]: new user: name=messagebus, uid=100, gid=103, home=/var/run/dbus, shell=/bin/false |
| 03:48.29 | fusquanto_ | wtf is that |
| 03:48.31 | deadcat | mindframe: i setup all my wireless networks in interfaces then i just ifup eth1=NETWORKNAME |
| 03:48.32 | fusquanto_ | did i get hax0red |
| 03:48.38 | cef | mindframe: I've noticed that debian runs the pcmcia startup script twice.. and this seems to get around that |
| 03:48.42 | deadcat | fusquanto_: ya |
| 03:48.47 | caphuso | fusquanto_: no, you installed dbus |
| 03:48.51 | fusquanto_ | lol |
| 03:48.51 | fusquanto_ | o |
| 03:49.31 | fusquanto_ | ok deadcat i put in contrib and nonfree and apt-cache searched that stuff and nothin : O |
| 03:49.52 | deadcat | fusquanto_: which release you using? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:49.57 | fusquanto_ | unstable |
| 03:50.07 | dondelelcaro | fusquanto_: the mplayer stuff isn't in Debian. You need an marillat or similar repository |
| 03:50.33 | deadcat | fusquanto_: mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org |
| 03:50.51 | nivekz | hello all |
| 03:51.00 | fusquanto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.00 | fusquanto_ | :( |
| 03:51.06 | fusquanto_ | ok what is marillat |
| 03:51.07 | deadcat | fusquanto_: or mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for Mozilla based on VLC |
| 03:51.14 | fusquanto_ | i got that deadcat |
| 03:51.23 | deadcat | fusquanto_: this is vlc |
| 03:51.24 | karsten | fusquanto_: It's a website with multimedia deb packages. |
| 03:51.26 | fusquanto_ | lemme tryrestartung moz |
| 03:51.37 | deadcat | !tell fusquanto_ about marillat |
| 03:51.54 | spoopin | fusquanto_: it's pretty easy to confiure and build a .deb yourself - all mplayer's intructions are on the site |
| 03:52.14 | fusquanto_ | k thx guys |
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| 03:52.56 | fusquanto_ | oh it works |
| 03:53.01 | wilbertoki | thanks guys |
| 03:53.34 | wilbertoki | I hope ext2 doenst corrupt my whole disk permanently in a power outage |
| 03:53.50 | deadcat | wilbertoki: thats yoru choice for sticking with 2 (= |
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| 03:54.19 | deadcat | ^^ 2 bots? |
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| 03:54.41 | abrotman | good bet |
| 03:54.51 | deadcat | spies? |
| 03:54.58 | dondelelcaro | well, they haven't spammed me yet... |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | or hot women!! |
| 03:54.59 | karsten | !ops bots? insane fire |
| 03:55.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bots? insane fire |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | but dondelelcaro is right there |
| 03:55.15 | deadcat | abrotman: ah huh. (= |
| 03:55.25 | karsten | 173.13.212.81.dnsbl.sorbs.net text "Exploitable Server See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?81.212.13.173" |
| 03:55.47 | llama32 | any recomendations of redhat vs. mandrake? |
| 03:55.51 | karsten | They're not CBL listed though, which most of the bot attacks have been. |
| 03:55.54 | abrotman | llama32: wrong channel |
| 03:55.57 | deadcat | llama32: no |
| 03:56.07 | karsten | llama32: 42 |
| 03:56.16 | llama32 | abrotman: whats the right channel? |
| 03:56.18 | llama32 | 42?? |
| 03:56.22 | abrotman | llama32: ##linux maybe |
| 03:56.26 | llama32 | k |
| 03:56.28 | cef | llama32: put them in a ring and let them fight it to the death, i say! |
| 03:56.35 | llama32 | lol |
| 03:56.35 | deadcat | !bitch slap llama32 like a slutty, worthless whore! |
| 03:56.37 | karsten | llama32: Well, this is #debian, which isn't #rh _or_ #mdk. |
| 03:56.40 | llama32 | rofl |
| 03:56.45 | karsten | deadcat: No, no, no. |
| 03:56.55 | llama32 | i'd hate to be a cheting girlfriend of deadcat... |
| 03:56.59 | deadcat | damn bot dont do what i say |
| 03:57.03 | abrotman | deadcat: i thnk it's |
| 03:57.07 | abrotman | !bitchslap deadcat |
| 03:57.07 | karsten | llama32: You'd hate to be a girlfriend of deadcat. |
| 03:57.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:57.19 | deadcat | )= |
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| 03:57.49 | llama32 | lol @ karsten |
| 03:58.10 | karsten | llama32: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html is a page I'm working on that discusses distro choices. You might want to look at it. |
| 03:58.24 | karsten | llama32: That said: I've got a fair bit of RH experience, rather less with MDK. |
| 03:58.31 | deadcat | karsten: page dont work |
| 03:58.33 | karsten | llama32: ...and I run Debian by preference. |
| 03:58.46 | Caveman | page works here. |
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| 03:59.01 | karsten | deadcat: Doesn't work how? |
| 03:59.20 | deadcat | karsten: using links2 |
| 03:59.22 | abrotman | karsten: i'd gotta say .. fedora is probably bigger for a newbie than RH |
| 03:59.33 | karsten | abrotman: s/bigger/better/? |
| 03:59.42 | karsten | abrotman: ...and yes, I'd agree. So does RH, FWIW. |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | karsten: i'd just say there are more "hobbiest" users of fedora than RH |
| 04:00.26 | karsten | abrotman: Yes. RH specifically points hobbiests and SOHO users at FC. |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | karsten: and you may wish to include DragonflyBSD |
| 04:00.32 | deadcat | fedora is for morons who do their biddings for redhat |
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| 04:00.47 | karsten | abrotman: WTF is dragonfly? |
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| 04:01.06 | abrotman | karsten: remember matt .. uhm .. crap |
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| 04:01.26 | deadcat | karsten: the f. doesnt work with links2 but ff is ok |
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| 04:01.45 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | karsten: matt dillon .. i believe he was FBSD core at one time .. got upset about the direction of fbsd5 .. took fbsd4 .. and made it kick ass :) |
| 04:02.04 | deadcat | karsten: nevermind. jpilot eh? (= |
| 04:02.26 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. I'm not listing 'em all, FWIW. |
| 04:02.32 | karsten | deadcat: Um. Yeah. |
| 04:02.41 | karsten | deadcat: ...and WP 5.1 for DOS as well. |
| 04:03.03 | cef | ahh it's nice to finally have a laptop where I can scp files from another box connected via ethernet AND burn a cdrom |
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| 04:03.05 | abrotman | karsten: apparently it has a decent following |
| 04:03.45 | peterS | cef: your previous laptop didn't have a nic or a cd writer? |
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| 04:04.01 | cef | peterS: I mean at the same time |
| 04:04.12 | peterS | cef: long time no see, it seems. maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think I've seen you recently at all |
| 04:04.15 | cef | peterS: last laptop = PIII @ 600 |
| 04:04.23 | deadcat | karsten: gentoo tool is emerge no? slackware is pkg-isntall pkg-remove. |
| 04:04.36 | cef | peterS: yeah long time.. I've been here, but quiet.. too busy doing other stuff |
| 04:04.49 | peterS | cef: oh, and scp disrupts CD writing? that's pretty weird, CD writing is much more about I/O bandwidth than CPU |
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| 04:05.13 | cef | peterS: it also only had 128 meg of ram |
| 04:05.15 | karsten | abrotman: WRT RH's suggested platforms: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ |
| 04:05.33 | cef | peterS: new lappy = p4 HT 3.2 Ghz with 1 gig ram |
| 04:05.34 | peterS | cef: ahhh, the RAM could be a factor |
| 04:05.44 | peterS | cef: w00t. that's a lot of horsepower for a laptop |
| 04:05.47 | deadcat | karsten: nice page. but way way too long... i would simplify it with "debian == i use, redhat == junk, suse == pussy, fedora == redhat's junk, gentoo == waste of time, slackware == fuck slackware" |
| 04:06.03 | cef | peterS: yeah.. kernel compiles should be a lil bit faster now *grin* |
| 04:06.07 | deadcat | karsten: and thats would be my page. (= |
| 04:06.08 | abrotman | karsten: i think i've read that before |
| 04:06.10 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah on the too long bit. Some of that stuff should get split out. |
| 04:06.11 | peterS | cef: ha. I'll bet. |
| 04:06.28 | karsten | deadcat: OTOH, keeping it long means the kneejerk flamers will either: |
| 04:06.34 | cef | peterS: means that I may even be able to get back into doing some kernel fiddling |
| 04:06.45 | karsten | deadcat: 1. Read the whole damned thing, and be so tired and confused, they forget to flame. |
| 04:07.02 | deadcat | karsten: HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 04:07.07 | peterS | cef: kernel fiddling is fun. I sent a patch to l-k for the first time in *years*, a couple weeks ago. it was trivial but it reminded me that this stuff can be *fun* |
| 04:07.10 | karsten | deadcat: or 2. Clearly not have read the whole damned thing, in which case, I'll tell 'em to RTFA and make a cogent response. |
| 04:07.20 | karsten | deadcat: ...reducing the problem to a previously solved case. |
| 04:07.29 | cef | peterS: though I might just fix a few userspace issues first.. |
| 04:07.39 | peterS | hey, that works too |
| 04:08.03 | peterS | lots of projects take a long time to compile, so would be frustrating to work on with underpowered hardware |
| 04:08.21 | cef | peterS: thinking I might fix the abortion that is netkit-inetd in debian though *grin* |
| 04:08.28 | peterS | hehehe |
| 04:08.31 | deadcat | karsten: clearly you majored in english. (= |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | the inetd situation in debian needs some serious work, indeed |
| 04:08.46 | karsten | deadcat: Nope, sorry to disappoint. |
| 04:08.52 | cef | peterS: and hand it to aj at LCA 2005 *grin* |
| 04:08.52 | peterS | at the moment it's all but impossible to use anything but the default one, smoothly |
| 04:08.57 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:09.26 | cef | peterS: already got a patch to stop it running it the config has no valid entries (eg: all commented out) |
| 04:09.33 | peterS | making all the inetds hot-swappable, as it were, with compatible update-inetd scripts and inetd.conf conversions on install/remove ... would be very good |
| 04:09.46 | VampireBanana | i have a very, very newbie question. i did apt-get install englightenment, now my question is how to get the thing running? |
| 04:09.52 | cef | peterS: addition of 1 whole 'if' statement |
| 04:09.57 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:10.00 | abrotman | !bunnicula VampireBanana |
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| 04:10.45 | cef | peterS: next is to add stuff to /etc/defaults/ to disable it from starting (configurable by debconf, default of off) |
| 04:10.57 | nevyn | VampireBanana: try startx |
| 04:11.13 | llama32 | VampireBanana: if ur using GDM, it should show on the sessions menu like other window managers, unless ur refering to like how to use it with gnome or KDE or something... |
| 04:11.14 | VampireBanana | i restarted it, did nothing... still have kde |
| 04:11.15 | C17H21NO4 | VampireBanana: run elnightenment-install |
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| 04:11.41 | C17H21NO4 | *enlightenment-install |
| 04:11.47 | peterS | cef: cue the movie trailer voice dude. "In a world without inetd running by default..." |
| 04:11.48 | cef | peterS: then to hack the damn thing to parts so that things like /etc/services /etc/protocols are in a seperate package - and updating the package depends |
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| 04:12.07 | karsten | VampireBanana: What llama32 siad, possibly. Or: (as root) update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:12.09 | peterS | cef: right, services/protocols should be in netbase and netbase shouldn't suck in any specific inetd |
| 04:12.13 | karsten | VampireBanana: ...and selecte enlightenment. |
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| 04:12.20 | Pumpkin_Pie | CRAZYYY KILLA |
| 04:12.27 | karsten | peterS: ROFL. |
| 04:12.30 | ferris | what can i use to watch wmv files? |
| 04:12.36 | cef | peterS: yeah.. it's a sorry state of affairs at the moment |
| 04:12.42 | karsten | ferris: cat. |
| 04:12.45 | chealer | !tell ferris about wmv |
| 04:12.46 | spidna | hi |
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| 04:12.55 | chealer | cat is a good alternative too :-P |
| 04:12.57 | peterS | cef: yes, quite |
| 04:12.59 | Pumpkin_Pie | !tell Pumpkin_Pie about wmv |
| 04:12.59 | karsten | ferris: ...not quite the usual effect, but, well, it works, for some values of work. |
| 04:13.20 | chealer | Pumpkin_Pie: use /msg dpkg wmv instead of !tell me |
| 04:13.22 | spidna | hi guys where can i edit the user panel on the left side to make it blue |
| 04:13.24 | peterS | Pumpkin_Pie: instead of !tell you can say /msg dpkg wmv. recommended |
| 04:13.25 | karsten | Pumpkin_Pie: Also: /msg dpkg wmv |
| 04:13.30 | deadcat | karsten: is the linux-new.html copy righted? |
| 04:13.31 | peterS | heh |
| 04:13.37 | cef | peterS: and the update-inetd stuff is so tied to inetd, that it's almost impossible to modify it to support any other *netd implementation |
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| 04:14.05 | karsten | deadcat: Yes, per the Berne Convention and 17 USC 102(a) |
| 04:14.05 | peterS | cef: yeah, basically every inetd implementation needs to come with its own update-inetd script - compatible API, total rewrite for some cases like xinetd |
| 04:14.13 | takatumi | spidna: for your car? |
| 04:14.36 | spidna | takatumi on the xchat |
| 04:14.46 | karsten | deadcat: Any work fixed in a tangible medium is automatically subject to copyright by the author. |
| 04:15.15 | karsten | deadcat: That would include this IRC chat, on the part of each participant's contributions. |
| 04:15.15 | deadcat | karsten: no clue what the means |
| 04:15.32 | chealer | spidna: ask #xchat |
| 04:15.43 | spidna | thanks |
| 04:15.56 | karsten | deadcat: ttp://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/usc_sec_17_00000102----000-.html |
| 04:16.05 | deadcat | )= |
| 04:16.22 | karsten | deadcat: 'fixed' == written in a way as to allow later access. 'tangible' == capable of being perceived. |
| 04:16.23 | dna_ | can you play quake online? |
| 04:16.31 | abrotman | deadcat: you need an h! |
| 04:16.37 | cef | peterS: yeah.. or something like update-inetd anyway.. get all the packages to provide a script with a new interface, and then get everyone to use it first before removing update-inetd though |
| 04:16.37 | deadcat | karsten: ah |
| 04:16.54 | karsten | deadcat: For the purposes of law, a program in RAM is a tangible copy (of the program) in a fixed medium. |
| 04:16.56 | jetscreamer | yes dna_ btw apt-get install qstat |
| 04:17.09 | karsten | deadcat: s/tangible copy/fixed copy/ s/tangible medium/fixed medium/ |
| 04:17.13 | jetscreamer | apt-get install qstat xqf rather |
| 04:17.20 | karsten | deadcat: ...it gets confusing. You don't want the full lecture ;-) |
| 04:17.28 | deadcat | karsten: hell no (= |
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| 04:19.03 | deadcat | karsten: It's like talking. A lot more efficient than hand-waving. HAHAHHAHAAH |
| 04:19.04 | dna_ | how do I remove old mozilla browser installs? |
| 04:19.08 | dna_ | I just installed mozilla 1.7 |
| 04:19.13 | dna_ | and want ot get rid of 0.8 |
| 04:19.17 | abrotman | too late |
| 04:19.21 | karsten | dna_: If installed via apt: aptitude remove <package> |
| 04:19.36 | karsten | dna_: If installed via a downloaded installer, follow its directions. |
| 04:19.48 | chealer | mozilla 0.8, eh? |
| 04:19.51 | dna_ | karsten, the package came with my debian sysstem pre installed |
| 04:19.54 | abrotman | chealer: woody |
| 04:20.00 | chealer | wOw |
| 04:20.09 | dna_ | karsten, how do I search what mozilla packages are installed? |
| 04:20.10 | karsten | dna_: aptitude remove ... |
| 04:20.23 | chealer | abrotman: isn't it 1.0? |
| 04:20.23 | karsten | dna_: Normally when installing a new version of software, earlier versions are removed. |
| 04:20.28 | dna_ | nice |
| 04:20.31 | karsten | dna_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:20.32 | chealer | still respectably old though :) |
| 04:20.45 | karsten | dna_: If you just want to see mozilla, pipe to 'grep mozil' |
| 04:20.50 | abrotman | !info mozilla woody |
| 04:20.54 | dpkg | mozilla: (Mozilla Web Browser - dummy package), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.0.0-0.woody.1 (woody), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 04:20.55 | karsten | dna_: dpkg --get-selections | grep mozilla |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | chealer: dunno |
| 04:20.59 | abrotman | chealer: guess os .. |
| 04:21.25 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.25 | raghu | into your Python interpreter manually:::::::how to do this? |
| 04:21.29 | raghu | any idea? |
| 04:21.38 | abrotman | install zlib ? |
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| 04:21.56 | karsten | raghu: Um. apt-cache search zlib; aptitude install <zlib packages> |
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| 04:22.14 | karsten | raghu: You probably need the '-devel' packages for Python. |
| 04:22.15 | llama32 | gonna go resize my ntfs partition... wish me luck! |
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| 04:22.32 | pipeline | llama32: You better have backups. |
| 04:22.32 | abrotman | !bless llama32 |
| 04:22.32 | chealer | llama32: good luck |
| 04:22.33 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child llama32, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:22.50 | raghu | karsten: i am compiling and installing through python2.3.4.tar.gz |
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| 04:23.06 | raghu | karsten: i donot want to install python2.3.5 |
| 04:23.07 | karsten | raghu: Um. That doesn't mean much to me. |
| 04:23.14 | llama32 | backups :s |
| 04:23.29 | karsten | raghu: Is the version of python you're installing in Debian? Why not aptitude install it? |
| 04:23.40 | abrotman | apt-get install python ? |
| 04:23.51 | raghu | karsten: let me check |
| 04:24.08 | raghu | abrotman: it installs python2.3.5 |
| 04:24.11 | karsten | abrotman: wasn't that what happened on the Sixth Day in the Garden? |
| 04:24.13 | abrotman | so what? |
| 04:24.22 | abrotman | karsten: asp .. not python :) |
| 04:24.27 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 04:24.32 | raghu | abrotman: so nothing i donot ant python2.3.5 |
| 04:24.42 | llama32 | would resizing ntfs be more dangerous if its a bootable partition? i mean is there a worth-noticing risk of it not booting? |
| 04:24.56 | abrotman | raghu: hit the correct keys .. much easier to communicate |
| 04:24.57 | karsten | llama32: Any time you fuck with your partitions you're at risk. |
| 04:25.10 | karsten | llama32: If you don't have backups, don't come back here looking for sympathy. |
| 04:25.11 | dna_ | i get an error with aptitude |
| 04:25.17 | pourriture | am I using dh_make_perl wrong ... it works ... but I do --build and it builds it in .. and then I have to move the deb to . and rm -rf debian and then do install |
| 04:25.23 | dna_ | aptitude cannot lock the cache file |
| 04:25.34 | dna_ | I can only opne in read mode |
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| 04:25.44 | karsten | llama32: That said, resizing a bootable partition shouldn't of itself change anything. However I've known several people with really bad luck on NTFS partitions, and MSFT's recovery tools suck. |
| 04:25.55 | chealer | dna_: you probably have another apt program running, like apt-get? |
| 04:26.11 | karsten | llama32: Recommendation is to buy a second HD and install on it rather than mess with partitioning. |
| 04:26.28 | karsten | llama32: All that said: if you've got backups, there's a good chance you'll get out of this alive. |
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| 04:27.54 | dna_ | aptitude is crazy |
| 04:27.55 | dna_ | new to me |
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| 04:28.26 | dna_ | how do I stop a file from being held back a version? |
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| 04:29.05 | Jarn | what is the command to replace? |
| 04:29.16 | Jarn | like to replace everything in all the text files in a folder |
| 04:29.18 | mwilson | Jarn: In what? |
| 04:29.30 | Jarn | in text files and html files |
| 04:29.35 | Jarn | all the ones in one foler |
| 04:29.39 | abrotman | like .. sed? |
| 04:29.40 | mwilson | No, in what application? |
| 04:29.47 | Jarn | oh, terminal |
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| 04:30.03 | karsten | dna_: '?' in aptitude will give you help. <f10> gives you a menu with options. |
| 04:30.17 | Jarn | in a terminal |
| 04:30.22 | Jarn | i want to replace text in html files |
| 04:30.32 | karsten | Jarn: What's your native language? |
| 04:30.45 | Jarn | karsten: american english... |
| 04:30.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:31.10 | karsten | Jarn: Please act like it. |
| 04:31.13 | C17H21NO4 | Does `apt-cache search` look in descriptions as well as names? |
| 04:31.18 | karsten | Jarn: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:31.23 | karsten | C17H21NO4: Yes. |
| 04:31.29 | C17H21NO4 | karsten: Thanks |
| 04:31.40 | Jarn | karsten: I am trying to remove every instance of # with %23 in a group of html files. |
| 04:31.44 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 04:31.44 | dpkg | hmm... qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 04:31.46 | Jarn | er |
| 04:31.48 | Jarn | replace^ |
| 04:31.52 | karsten | C17H21NO4: 'apt-file' will actually match any *filename* in any package. apt-cache only gets the package descriptions themselves. |
| 04:32.03 | karsten | Jarn: man sed. |
| 04:32.03 | abrotman | i think he wants sed |
| 04:32.16 | Jarn | karsten: thanks |
| 04:32.19 | mwilson | Now he's just going to complain about how he has to learn something. |
| 04:32.28 | chealer | Jarn: I was recommended perl to do that...but obviously forgot how exactly since :) |
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| 04:32.56 | karsten | Jarn: "sed -e 's/#/%23/g' " is the basic recipie. '-i' gives you a 'fix-in-place' capability. |
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| 04:33.06 | llama32 | :s i think ill go ahead with the ntfs resizing |
| 04:33.16 | karsten | Jarn: 'sed -i -e 's/#/%23/g' *.html' |
| 04:33.21 | karsten | Jarn: ...should do what you want. |
| 04:34.04 | karsten | Jarn: Another possibility is that 'tidy' may fix your entities in a way that's pleasing to the eye. |
| 04:34.25 | bob2 | so |
| 04:34.33 | bob2 | dvd burning under linux is crap and confusing |
| 04:34.33 | karsten | bob2: what |
| 04:34.34 | bob2 | that is all |
| 04:35.05 | karsten | bob2: k3b? |
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| 04:35.32 | [LTD]Rodriguez | how do i use ee to edit things? |
| 04:35.37 | cef | bob2: heh |
| 04:35.49 | Jarn | karsten: Thank you. |
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| 04:35.55 | karsten | Jarn: NP |
| 04:35.59 | abrotman | bob2: this is your revelation for the day? |
| 04:36.35 | cef | I haven |
| 04:36.46 | cef | I haven't tried dvd writing yet.. hrm |
| 04:36.52 | cef | damn enter key |
| 04:36.54 | chealer | karsten: what does that mean, "in place"? |
| 04:36.55 | bob2 | [LTD]Rodriguez: isn't it a viewer? |
| 04:36.56 | bob2 | abrotman: yes |
| 04:36.59 | bob2 | karsten: hm |
| 04:37.01 | [LTD]Rodriguez | yep |
| 04:37.02 | bob2 | k3b is crap |
| 04:37.04 | bob2 | and uses KDE |
| 04:37.14 | abrotman | bob2: it's part of kde .. what did you expect? |
| 04:37.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:37.31 | karsten | chealer: Normally, sed reads a file and writes to stdout. '-i' replaces the original file. It can also be set to create a backup copy. |
| 04:37.40 | Jarn | karsten: can that be adapted for other needs? |
| 04:37.48 | Jarn | karsten: like if I wanted to replace x with y, would it be |
| 04:37.52 | chealer | karsten: ah, brain's turning on now. thanks |
| 04:37.53 | karsten | chealer: This gets around the need to create your own backup files, etc. |
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| 04:37.58 | Jarn | karsten: sed -i -e 's/y /x/g' *.html* |
| 04:37.58 | karsten | Jarn: Quite. |
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| 04:38.06 | karsten | Jarn: man sed ;-) |
| 04:38.06 | Jarn | er, replacing y with x |
| 04:38.13 | abrotman | karsten: that's wrong |
| 04:38.14 | Jarn | karsten: I did, I didn't understand it. :( |
| 04:38.17 | abrotman | oh .. no . it's right |
| 04:38.22 | abrotman | god damnit .. stop changing the rules! |
| 04:38.33 | pourriture | am I using dh_make_perl wrong. it works, but I do --build and it builds it in .. and then I have to move the deb to . and rm -rf debian and then do install |
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| 04:38.54 | karsten | Jarn: 's' is a 'substitute' operation. pattern 1 (literal or regex) is replaced by pattern 2 (literal or expansion). The tool is surprisingly flexible for being pretty simple. |
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| 04:39.17 | karsten | Jarn: There are a few other operations. Most of the syntax is single-letter, as you've noted. |
| 04:39.27 | Jarn | karsten: Ah. I see... So, would replacing #SECTION with %23SECTION be 'sed -i -e 's/#SECTION /%23SECTION/g' *.html*' |
| 04:39.36 | karsten | Jarn: Right. |
| 04:39.39 | bob2 | pourriture: er |
| 04:39.47 | karsten | Jarn: You could "simplify" that as: |
| 04:39.48 | Jarn | karsten: Great, this should suit perfectly. |
| 04:39.50 | bob2 | pourriture: you install the .deb, that's the point of dh-make-perl |
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| 04:40.03 | VampireBanana | how do i install a enlightenment theme? |
| 04:40.09 | karsten | Jarn: sed -e 's/#\(SECTION\)/%23\1/g' |
| 04:40.15 | abrotman | iirc . there is a #enlightenment |
| 04:40.31 | karsten | Jarn: ...where \1 expands to whatever was in the () block. More useful if the pattern match was a regular expression. |
| 04:40.49 | jjj | does anyone have any info on setting up win4linpro on debian? |
| 04:40.53 | Jarn | karsten: Ah, I see... I think. Thank you much. |
| 04:40.55 | jjj | it seems to be slightly complicated |
| 04:41.01 | abrotman | jjj: wrong channel ? |
| 04:41.02 | karsten | Jarn: eg: sed -e 's/#(long.*word)/#\1/' |
| 04:41.05 | fusquanto_ | i just installed debian and CTRL + U is not erasing complete line like it used to in my last setup :( |
| 04:41.12 | cef | jjj they have a .deb apparently |
| 04:41.13 | abrotman | is'nt that a lindows thing ? |
| 04:41.18 | karsten | Jarn: ...matches 'long<any number of characters>word' |
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| 04:41.33 | karsten | Jarn: Lifetime of confusion and suffering in that tool |
| 04:41.37 | cef | win4lin is not used by lindows |
| 04:41.42 | jjj | no its a program for any linux |
| 04:41.49 | Jarn | karsten: Heh. And, I assume this will do this to the directory it is run in? |
| 04:42.01 | jjj | cef, it seems thier .deb works on an older kernel or soemthing of the sort |
| 04:42.20 | karsten | Jarn: sed acts on a file or list of files, or standard input. |
| 04:42.35 | cef | jjj: ahh.. it's win4lin Pro is supposed to be kernel independant now.. hrm |
| 04:42.38 | karsten | Jarn: '*.html' expands (by your shell) to "the list of files ending in ".html" in the currrent directory. |
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| 04:42.47 | pourriture | bob2, my question is, I run dh-_make_perl --build and the .deb winds up in .. and then I mv it to . and rm -rf and do dh_make_perl --install and it goes ok ... but that doesn't seem like the way it is supposed to work from the man page |
| 04:42.55 | chealer | fusquanto_: thanks for the tip. works for me at least :) |
| 04:42.57 | jjj | cef, well everytime it loads up it kills with a segmention fault |
| 04:43.00 | Jarn | karsten: Okay, good. That's what I thought. I wanted to make sure it was everything ending in *.html* |
| 04:43.01 | karsten | Jarn: some sed and related refs: http://unix.ittoolbox.com/nav/t.asp?t=429&p=429&h1=429 |
| 04:43.06 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 04:43.07 | fusquanto_ | chealer, :( |
| 04:43.08 | karsten | Jarn: I'm looking for a good new-user guide. |
| 04:43.17 | abrotman | t.asp ? |
| 04:43.17 | karsten | Jarn: Yeah. |
| 04:43.22 | fusquanto_ | chealer, do you have pc101 or pc104 layout |
| 04:43.26 | karsten | Jarn: echo "foo" | sed 's/foo/bar/' |
| 04:43.26 | Jarn | karsten: I'm planning on reading The Linux Users' Guide, and some other stuff over vacation. |
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| 04:43.33 | simonrvn | ha, tab complete does work on this thing |
| 04:43.46 | karsten | Jarn: ...changes foo to bar, on the output of your 'echo' command. |
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| 04:44.11 | chealer | fusquanto_: pc104 on sarge |
| 04:44.29 | Jarn | karsten: Ah. |
| 04:44.34 | fusquanto_ | im loading a webpage, .php, and my firefox wants to download the .php file, wtf?? |
| 04:44.38 | fusquanto_ | brand new install |
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| 04:44.45 | abrotman | fix your apache |
| 04:44.49 | yebian | How do you get the sources for the currently running kernel. |
| 04:45.12 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 04:45.12 | dna_ | good question yebian |
| 04:45.13 | karsten | Jarn: http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/unix/sedawk/index.htm |
| 04:45.16 | yebian | no |
| 04:45.20 | abrotman | fine the one that matches your kernel `uname -r` |
| 04:45.26 | yebian | no |
| 04:45.26 | abrotman | no? |
| 04:45.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:45.28 | karsten | Jarn: It's a pirated copy of the O'Reilly _sed and awk_ book. I have that here. |
| 04:45.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:45.30 | yebian | no |
| 04:45.34 | abrotman | yebian: yes . |
| 04:45.39 | abrotman | yebian: uname -r |
| 04:45.54 | Jarn | karsten: Thanks. |
| 04:46.14 | yebian | The default debian kernel I need what you would have after you have built your own kernel and said kernel is the currently running kernel. |
| 04:46.16 | abrotman | yebian: uname -r |
| 04:46.18 | karsten | Jarn: Buy the book, and tell Tim I sent you ;-) |
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| 04:47.32 | abrotman | yebian: uname -r |
| 04:47.46 | yebian | nevermind |
| 04:47.51 | abrotman | why never mind? |
| 04:48.05 | yebian | cause I'll just go build a kernel. |
| 04:48.07 | cef | jjj: you've used loadwinproCD and then installwinpro before trying to start a session? |
| 04:48.11 | abrotman | yebian: you're being dumb ... |
| 04:48.13 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 04:48.16 | Jarn | karsten: Heh. |
| 04:48.16 | abrotman | tell me what it says! |
| 04:48.24 | Jarn | karstem: It didn't seem to work, though. |
| 04:48.32 | Jarn | karsten: This is one example of the line: |
| 04:48.32 | yebian | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 04:48.36 | yebian | no have |
| 04:48.36 | Jarn | karsten: <A NAME="tex2html695" HREF="node4.html#SECTION00310000000000000000">Who Should Read This Book</A> |
| 04:48.55 | pourriture | uname -r ... 2.8.37-2-786 ....why? |
| 04:48.55 | abrotman | yebian: so you would apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:48.58 | Xenguy | abrotman: others would be told "Don't repeat" =) |
| 04:48.59 | yebian | thats not even the kernel I need. |
| 04:48.59 | Jarn | karsten: Ohh... would I put asterisks around it? |
| 04:49.05 | nitsua | Can anyone help me with configuring GDM to use Enlightenment. |
| 04:49.07 | abrotman | Xenguy: and? |
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| 04:49.10 | abrotman | yebian: what? |
| 04:49.14 | yebian | abrotman: that doesnt work. |
| 04:49.18 | Xenguy | abrotman: yes =) |
| 04:49.20 | abrotman | yebian: why not? |
| 04:49.20 | chealer | pourriture: 2.8.37...haha send it to me |
| 04:49.28 | yebian | abrotman: I need k7 |
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| 04:49.41 | karsten | Jarn: What do you want to do? |
| 04:49.43 | abrotman | yebian: it's still the same source .. and there are -k7 packages in debian |
| 04:49.48 | pourriture | chealer, I was wondering who would catch that |
| 04:49.52 | cef | yebian is from the future! |
| 04:49.58 | Jarn | karsten: I want to change the # in that line and ones like it to %23 |
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| 04:50.01 | chealer | pourriture: probably many |
| 04:50.03 | Jarn | karsten: would it be like |
| 04:50.06 | Jarn | karsten: sed -i -e 's/*#SECTION* /*%23SECTION*/g' *.html* |
| 04:50.17 | yebian | abrotman: and the source will not do what I'd like for it to be able to do. |
| 04:50.21 | karsten | Jarn: the replacement applies to the pattern you specify. |
| 04:50.22 | abrotman | yebian: i'm trying to help you.. really i am .. there are binary packages compiled for -k7 |
| 04:50.26 | abrotman | yebian: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:50.29 | yebian | abrotman: because I already have it. |
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| 04:50.36 | karsten | Jarn: So if you just need to relace '#SECTION', that's all you need to put in your match. |
| 04:50.42 | yebian | abrotman: taint the kernel. |
| 04:50.47 | Jarn | karsten: Hmm... but it didn't work. |
| 04:50.58 | eonn | guys i need some quick help - working on a server here in sydney and need to know the equivalent command in debian for "serivce iptables start|stop|restart" |
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| 04:51.06 | karsten | Jarn: 'SECTION*' matches 'SECTIO<zero or more 'N's>' |
| 04:51.07 | chealer | yebian: you're trying to taint your kernel? huh |
| 04:51.07 | abrotman | yebian: well ... i'm trying to be helpful . you seem to want to do it the hard way .. have at it |
| 04:51.12 | cef | erm, why is there a space before the second / ?? |
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| 04:51.26 | karsten | eonn: Look in /etc/init.d/ for your firewall, probably. |
| 04:51.42 | fusquanto_ | im loading a webpage with index.php and my firefox wants to download the .php ... this is a fresh isntall of unstable |
| 04:51.43 | karsten | eonn: Then: /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|reload |
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| 04:51.50 | yebian | abrotman: I know but its irritating when I've already tried what you've suggested and it failed. |
| 04:51.53 | Jarn | karsten: Bah. Well, I have to go. I shall consider this problem later. And look at the man file in more detail. |
| 04:51.59 | karsten | fusquanto_: Enable PHP in your apache server. |
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| 04:52.03 | yebian | abrotman: I cant get the kernel-headers for what I need either. |
| 04:52.06 | vampire | hey, pals |
| 04:52.09 | eonn | karsten thanks will try |
| 04:52.11 | vampire | i need some help with xfree |
| 04:52.17 | vampire | how can i change from kde to gnome? |
| 04:52.20 | fusquanto_ | karsten, is that in apache.conf? |
| 04:52.36 | chealer | vampire: do you use gdm or what? |
| 04:52.43 | abrotman | yebian: why not? .. apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 04:52.55 | karsten | fusquanto_: Yes, though I don't run PHP myself. |
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| 04:53.31 | yebian | abrotman: couldnt find package kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 04:53.40 | vampire_ | how can i change kde for gnome? |
| 04:54.03 | abrotman | yebian: oh . i'm sorry .. you need to match them to your kernel |
| 04:54.04 | chealer | yebian: 2.6.8-2 |
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| 04:54.09 | karsten | vampire_: Select 'KDE' as your desktop when logging on to your system. |
| 04:54.14 | abrotman | yebian: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 |
| 04:54.17 | karsten | vampire_: ...install it if necessary. |
| 04:54.17 | live | How can i update 1.1.0 to 1.1.2 |
| 04:54.26 | abrotman | update what? |
| 04:54.30 | karsten | live: Add 0.0.2 |
| 04:54.47 | yebian | abrotman: theres no match |
| 04:54.50 | karsten | !tell live about smart questions |
| 04:54.53 | abrotman | yebian: yes there is |
| 04:54.57 | chealer | fusquanto_: how much did you try yet? it's pretty easy, just a few things to check |
| 04:55.04 | live | Update xebian 1.1.0 |
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| 04:55.13 | abrotman | xebian? |
| 04:55.20 | chealer | live: ask to #xebian |
| 04:55.21 | yebian | abrotman: Im looking at it now nothing says 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 04:55.39 | abrotman | yebian: it would be like kernel-header-2.6.8-386 |
| 04:55.41 | fusquanto_ | chealer, wel my last distro i didnt have this problem (debian too) |
| 04:55.46 | chealer | yebian: you need to update your kernel |
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| 04:55.56 | yebian | abrotman: there isn't one of those either |
| 04:55.59 | chealer | yebian: there are newer debian versions of 2.6.8 |
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| 04:56.17 | abrotman | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-386 sarge |
| 04:56.24 | abrotman | grr |
| 04:56.24 | yebian | abrotman: theres a 2.6-386 |
| 04:56.29 | abrotman | then that's it |
| 04:56.31 | chealer | abrotman: there's the abiname |
| 04:56.44 | edison | Help, witch software can convert video .mpeg2 file to vcd ? |
| 04:56.46 | yebian | theres a 2.6.10-1-386 |
| 04:56.51 | abrotman | kernel-headers-2.6-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6 on 386 |
| 04:56.51 | abrotman | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on 386 |
| 04:56.53 | fusquanto_ | chealer, can you tell me what to do since its ez |
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| 04:57.08 | chealer | fusquanto_: yes but what did you try yet? |
| 04:57.18 | karsten | edison: Not sure, that's video stuff. Try Googling. Possibly kino or related. |
| 04:57.24 | fusquanto_ | i went thru the apache2.conf |
| 04:57.26 | chealer | edison: probably ffmpeg (not sure neither) |
| 04:57.31 | fusquanto_ | nothign bout php in there |
| 04:57.55 | cef | yebian: do you know what kernel you are running? or haven't you yet been able to figure it out? |
| 04:57.57 | chealer | fusquanto_: so you do have libapache2-mod-php4 installed |
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| 04:58.14 | fusquanto_ | lemme c |
| 04:58.28 | fusquanto_ | shore dont |
| 04:58.34 | edison | ok |
| 04:58.45 | chealer | fusquanto_: shore? |
| 04:58.55 | yebian | abrotman: so what the hell do I do with it once I get it. |
| 04:59.04 | yebian | abrotman: what does it do what is it for. |
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| 04:59.05 | abrotman | yebian: i don't know what you're really trying to do |
| 04:59.06 | fusquanto_ | sure |
| 04:59.08 | python | hello |
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| 04:59.11 | mwilson | chealer: Moron-speak. |
| 04:59.20 | yebian | abrotman: where do I put it. |
| 04:59.27 | fusquanto_ | chealer, ok i just got that now |
| 04:59.32 | abrotman | yebian: i don't know what you're really trying to do? |
| 04:59.34 | abrotman | err .. |
| 04:59.34 | cef | yebian: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:59.35 | abrotman | god dman it |
| 04:59.37 | fusquanto_ | lemme c |
| 04:59.42 | abrotman | yebian: what are you trying to build |
| 04:59.43 | chealer | hehe. so fusquanto_ installing that won't hurt |
| 04:59.45 | python | is anyone hear familer with running phpnuke on a debian system |
| 04:59.50 | abrotman | fusquanto_: talk like a normal person .. it's not hard |
| 04:59.54 | fusquanto_ | now php's are in mod-enabled /etc/apache |
| 05:00.00 | yebian | Install Nvidia forceware without having to recompile the kernel. |
| 05:00.13 | abrotman | yebian: for the Ethernet? |
| 05:00.17 | yebian | no |
| 05:00.20 | cef | yebian: ok.. what kernel are you running? do you know? |
| 05:00.27 | abrotman | yebian: the video drivers? |
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| 05:00.30 | yebian | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 05:00.37 | yebian | abrotman:yes |
| 05:00.44 | abrotman | !tell yebian about nvidia one liner |
| 05:01.05 | cef | abrotman: hope that |
| 05:01.12 | abrotman | hope that what? |
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| 05:01.19 | fusquanto_ | chealer, it is still doing the same thing, apache2 was restarted too |
| 05:01.36 | cef | hope that's not a package.. cos some of the nvidia* packages aren't in testing |
| 05:01.36 | wilbertoki | anyone know how to view how many mb/s a cp transfer is going? |
| 05:01.59 | chealer | there's got to be a page that document how to install a LAMP |
| 05:02.04 | abrotman | !tell cef about nvidia one liner |
| 05:02.12 | yebian | not the debian driver and apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) doesn't work |
| 05:02.16 | cef | abrotman: sorry not used to my lappy's new keyboard yet |
| 05:02.16 | chealer | !php wants me to download still |
| 05:02.16 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
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| 05:02.30 | abrotman | yebian: it's not .. it installs the nvidia driver |
| 05:02.34 | chealer | ^^unfortunately that factoid is outdated |
| 05:02.43 | cef | ouch |
| 05:02.49 | python | has anyone installed phpnuke in debian ? |
| 05:02.56 | abrotman | python: just ask your question |
| 05:03.01 | yebian | apt-get install kernel-headers-&(uname -r) doesnt work |
| 05:03.06 | yebian | system hang |
| 05:03.09 | abrotman | no & |
| 05:03.10 | cef | abrotman: that's ugly.. |
| 05:03.19 | abrotman | cef: but apparently it works |
| 05:03.25 | cef | yebian: that's cos you need a later kernel |
| 05:03.33 | python | i installed phpnuke and all that shows up is a white page |
| 05:03.36 | abrotman | cef: he is putting an & in the command |
| 05:03.44 | abrotman | python: did you check your logs? |
| 05:03.54 | yebian | couldnt find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 05:03.58 | python | did everything that http://phpnuke.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1462 said |
| 05:04.10 | python | whare are the logs |
| 05:04.11 | cef | abrotman: yeah but 2.6.8-1-386 isn't in the archive anymore either |
| 05:04.11 | abrotman | yebian: let's start the correct way :) |
| 05:04.11 | chealer | yebian: you need to update your kernel. realy |
| 05:04.25 | yebian | I know |
| 05:04.26 | cef | yebian: what cpu do you have? |
| 05:04.26 | abrotman | yebian: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 .. then reboot |
| 05:04.31 | yebian | amd |
| 05:04.34 | cef | k7? |
| 05:04.35 | yebian | 2800 |
| 05:04.37 | abrotman | yebian: then .. do what dpkg says |
| 05:04.42 | cef | install the following package |
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| 05:04.48 | abrotman | cef: i just damn told him |
| 05:05.09 | yebian | k7 |
| 05:05.14 | abrotman | yebian: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 .. then reboot |
| 05:05.18 | cef | kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 05:05.28 | yebian | we'll give her a shot |
| 05:05.35 | chealer | fusquanto_: did you uncomment AddType application/x-httpd-php .php from apache2.conf yet? |
| 05:05.39 | cef | that always installs the latest k7 kernel for 2.6 |
| 05:05.49 | abrotman | cef: not always the best idea .. but whatever |
| 05:06.08 | cef | abrotman: well if he had the latets 2.6 kernel, he'd not have this issue in the first place |
| 05:06.14 | cef | latest even |
| 05:06.33 | abrotman | cef: yes . but just having your kernel update isn't always so good |
| 05:06.46 | abrotman | since if he updates his kernel . nvidia will stop working |
| 05:06.55 | abrotman | i'd be pissed if that happened .. |
| 05:07.08 | yebian | Im rather intrigued by the fact that I dont' have to rebuild the kernel. I've built a kernel about 23 times in the last 2 days. |
| 05:07.22 | abrotman | yebian: you must be bored :) |
| 05:07.31 | yebian | spring break |
| 05:07.35 | abrotman | yebian: ah .. fun |
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| 05:08.52 | fusquanto_ | chealer, yes i did, restarted apache2, same prob |
| 05:09.38 | MesaMan | who |
| 05:09.40 | fusquanto_ | chealer, nm my browser musta cached it |
| 05:10.18 | yebian | WoW it worked you guys nice |
| 05:10.28 | MesaMan | Ok, isn't there a few easy commands for installing and configuring X? |
| 05:10.30 | abrotman | yebian: it all worked? |
| 05:10.36 | yebian | yeah |
| 05:10.40 | dondelelcaro | MesaMan: yes. /msg dpkg set up x |
| 05:10.42 | abrotman | yebian: even the nvidia thing ? |
| 05:10.59 | MesaMan | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 05:11.28 | yebian | yeah |
| 05:11.43 | stew__ | woot |
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| 05:11.49 | yebian | thats what Im sayin |
| 05:11.50 | abrotman | stew__: you got a tail |
| 05:12.09 | abrotman | had |
| 05:12.22 | stew | speakeasy's been fucking with my connection again aparantly |
| 05:12.29 | abrotman | and your spelling |
| 05:12.35 | abrotman | damn them! |
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| 05:13.09 | stew | no the whiskey was probably fucking with my spelling |
| 05:13.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:13.18 | stew | happy friday, abrotman |
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| 05:13.26 | abrotman | stew: not anymore! |
| 05:13.30 | stew | shit |
| 05:13.49 | peterS | it's still friday in the relevant parts of the world |
| 05:14.06 | abrotman | peterS: obviously not kansas :) |
| 05:14.27 | peterS | I might be a little biased about what's relevant in the world, mind |
| 05:14.47 | peterS | eastern US ... Europe ... Asia ... Australia ... we don't care about them |
| 05:14.48 | Xenguy | (even though it's *really* Saturday :-) |
| 05:14.48 | Nurbs | you sound american *cough* ;) |
| 05:15.03 | Xenguy | (in North America) |
| 05:15.10 | fusquanto_ | chealer do you know how to turn on mod_rewrite in apache? |
| 05:15.12 | abrotman | Xenguy: not all of it |
| 05:15.24 | chealer | fusquanto_: sorry, not at all |
| 05:15.27 | Xenguy | abrotman: true =) |
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| 05:16.34 | stew | fusquanto_: mod_rewrite comes with apache-base, it should be enabled by default |
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| 05:16.58 | vampire | which file should i edit to get a console login? |
| 05:17.17 | stew | fusquanto_: you should have a LoadModule rewrite_module or something already in your httpd.conf |
| 05:17.26 | peterS | vampire: what do you mean? console logins work in the default debian install |
| 05:17.27 | stew | fusquanto_: unless you are running apache2 and then i have no idea |
| 05:17.57 | vampire | peterS not for me :S i just installed Debian and it uses a shitty graphical login |
| 05:18.04 | peterS | vampire: oh. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:18.15 | peterS | vampire: or, just hit ctrl-alt-f1 and you'll switch out of graphics mode |
| 05:18.21 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.27 | cef | re: apache2 - 'a2moden php4' |
| 05:18.47 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.05 | fusquanto_ | stew yah apache2 :( |
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| 05:19.43 | cef | sorry, a2enmod I think |
| 05:19.47 | cef | something like that |
| 05:19.59 | stew | fusquanto_: well i would assume you have it anyway, "locate rewrite", will probably return you a mod_rewrite.so |
| 05:20.20 | peterS | a2postmodenism |
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| 05:20.46 | cef | fusquanto_: ahh you want mod_rewrite... check /etc/apache2/modules-*/ |
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| 05:20.55 | fusquanto_ | yah its in there already |
| 05:20.58 | cef | or mods-* |
| 05:21.05 | fusquanto_ | im installing gallery, it is reporting that it is not installed |
| 05:21.09 | Euclid_ | i'm having a trouble with my mouse in gnome |
| 05:21.10 | cef | is it in the enabled directory? |
| 05:21.11 | peterS | the modules themselves should be under /usr/lib/apache2/ somewhere, I'd guess |
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| 05:21.23 | Euclid_ | it works for 5 secs and the it don't work anymore |
| 05:21.27 | Euclid_ | anyone knows why? |
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| 05:21.32 | Euclid_ | *and then |
| 05:21.32 | stew | fusquanto_: are you installing gallery via apt-get? |
| 05:21.33 | fusquanto_ | Either mod_rewrite is not installed or your .htaccess file is not enabled (see above). |
| 05:21.37 | fusquanto_ | yes stew |
| 05:21.40 | fusquanto_ | and im in hte config of it |
| 05:21.45 | fusquanto_ | and .htaccess is fine |
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| 05:23.11 | fusquanto_ | oh |
| 05:23.15 | fusquanto_ | its in mods-available |
| 05:23.21 | Euclid_ | anyone knows why my mouse stop working 5 secs after start gnome? |
| 05:23.21 | fusquanto_ | not in mods-enabled |
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| 05:23.58 | aardvark | !aolify Euclid_ |
| 05:24.00 | cef | fusquanto_: a2enmod rewrite.load |
| 05:24.52 | fusquanto_ | twoflower:/etc/apache2/mods-available# a2enmod rewrite.load |
| 05:24.52 | fusquanto_ | This module does not exist! |
| 05:25.00 | cef | ok.. -.load |
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| 05:25.28 | aardvark | !fuck Euclid_ |
| 05:25.40 | fusquanto_ | eggselent :) |
| 05:25.44 | fusquanto_ | thanks guys |
| 05:25.56 | cef | fusquanto_: welcome |
| 05:26.05 | Euclid_ | hey |
| 05:26.12 | Euclid_ | don't say that |
| 05:26.23 | stew | !badger aardvark |
| 05:26.24 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 05:27.35 | BrianAnthony | did that robot just disobey |
| 05:27.46 | BrianAnthony | he doesn't know the I,Robot rules |
| 05:27.55 | Xenguy | . o O (shades of HAL) |
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| 05:28.10 | BrianAnthony | `WillSmith !execute dpkg |
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| 05:29.45 | vampire | hi |
| 05:30.27 | Jarn | How do I replace one string of text with another string of text in multiple files from a terminal? |
| 05:30.49 | Xenguy | Jarn: sed works |
| 05:30.51 | ApEtc | Jarn: sed |
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| 05:31.06 | stew | perl -pi -e "s/fromstring/tostring/g" file1 file2 file3... |
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| 05:31.33 | Jarn | I did not understand the man page for sed, though. |
| 05:31.47 | Jarn | I did not seem to see anything that dealed with replacements. |
| 05:31.53 | karsten | Jarn: Um, didn't we just go through this? |
| 05:32.00 | Xenguy | Jarn: do you have an example? |
| 05:32.05 | zophyx | is there a debian c# package ? |
| 05:32.17 | karsten | zophyx: apt-cache search mono |
| 05:32.20 | Jarn | karsten: Yes, and it didn't work. |
| 05:32.27 | karsten | Jarn: How? |
| 05:32.28 | eAk | how can i test processor performance? |
| 05:32.30 | mwilson | Jarn: You have to actually read it, not just pretend to. |
| 05:32.30 | stew | zophyx: apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:32.31 | Jarn | karsten: And you said -s was replace, but that's not what it says in man sed. |
| 05:32.32 | karsten | !tell Jarn about didn't work |
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| 05:32.38 | peterS | zophyx: specifically mono-mcs |
| 05:32.47 | zophyx | for real ? |
| 05:32.49 | mwilson | Jarn: And you were given examples, too. |
| 05:32.54 | karsten | Jarn: No. 's' within a sed recipie is replace. |
| 05:32.56 | peterS | zophyx: what does apt-cache tell you? |
| 05:33.04 | stew | Jarn: get the "sed/awk" book from o'reilly, if for no other reason than loris's are cute |
| 05:33.11 | vampire | anyone knows how to set up a graphical login? |
| 05:33.15 | peterS | zophyx: 'apt-cache show mono-mcs' that is |
| 05:33.17 | Jarn | karsten: It just 'didn' |
| 05:33.25 | karsten | Jarn: There are arguments to 'sed' itself, and there is sed syntax. They're seperate. |
| 05:33.40 | karsten | Jarn: "sed -e 's/foo/bar'" |
| 05:33.45 | Jarn | karsten: It just 'didn't work'. Nothing happened. It acted like something happened, no errors, and it made a new terminal line, but nothing was replaced, as far as I could tell. |
| 05:33.54 | stew | karsten: missing s terminator |
| 05:34.19 | karsten | Jarn: ...'-e' is an argument to sed, naming an expression. The 's' leading the expression is the substitute operator. |
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| 05:34.32 | karsten | stew: Point. |
| 05:34.37 | peterS | karsten: also tell him about -i, he seems to be asking for that |
| 05:34.38 | karsten | Jarn: Did you look at the files? |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | peterS: I did. |
| 05:34.49 | Jarn | karsten: ...Yes... |
| 05:34.51 | Xenguy | Jarn: try debugging your sed-fu on just one file; then you can expand the operation to multiple files |
| 05:34.52 | vampire | which file determinates if Debian starts with graphical or console login? |
| 05:34.58 | Jarn | karsten: And nothing was changed. |
| 05:35.03 | Jarn | Xenguy: Okay. |
| 05:35.17 | peterS | vampire: you didn't read '/msg dpkg nodm' like I told you to, did you? |
| 05:35.33 | stew | shit i didn't know sed had a -i like perl |
| 05:35.38 | peterS | stew: it's a gnuism |
| 05:35.49 | stew | awesome |
| 05:36.18 | Xenguy | Jarn: and if you have a sed statement that you think should work, but doesn't for you, then post it here and perhaps we can help debug it (sed is very easy and useful once you get the hang of it) |
| 05:36.18 | vampire | peterS that command don't work |
| 05:36.30 | Jarn | sed -i -e 's/#SECTION /%23SECTION/g' *.html* |
| 05:36.37 | Jarn | That's the one karsten suggested. |
| 05:36.42 | Jarn | well, sort of. |
| 05:36.48 | peterS | !tell vampire -about nodm |
| 05:36.56 | Jarn | I modified it so it changes what I need changed to what it needs to be. |
| 05:37.16 | Xenguy | Jarn: off the cuff, there *might* be issues with the '#' and '%' characters... |
| 05:37.31 | Jarn | Really? Because that is the specific part I need changed. |
| 05:37.32 | peterS | Xenguy: not that I know of |
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| 05:37.58 | Xenguy | Jarn: specifically, you might try experimenting with 'escaping' those special characters with a backslash e.g. \# and \% |
| 05:38.09 | Xenguy | Jarn: I'm just guessing on that point tho |
| 05:38.13 | Xenguy | brb |
| 05:38.19 | zophyx | ah, i see what mono is, but i don't have any packages in my list |
| 05:38.23 | peterS | Jarn: you probably didn't want the space after "SECTION" |
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| 05:39.31 | Jarn | peterS: Ah... I'll try removing that. |
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| 05:40.18 | Jarn | peterS: Score! Thanks! |
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| 05:40.25 | Jarn | peterS: It works now! |
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| 05:40.43 | peterS | Jarn: cool. just note that everything between // is significant, even space. |
| 05:40.44 | Xenguy | Jarn: there ya go :-) |
| 05:41.00 | Jarn | Thank you all. |
| 05:41.37 | cef | probably just got lost in the convi |
| 05:41.42 | cef | convo |
| 05:41.43 | peterS | cef: yeah, I hate that when nobody notices that I answer a question correctly, and several minutes later someone else does (: |
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| 05:42.08 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 05:42.19 | karsten | Jarn: Sorry, dropped for a bit. |
| 05:42.25 | Jarn | cef: Yeah, I didn't notice. Sorry. |
| 05:42.36 | Jarn | karsten: There was an extra space, peterS noticed it. |
| 05:42.37 | cef | beh.. it happens.. just feel sorry that Jarn didn't get his answer sooner |
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| 05:42.49 | karsten | Jarn: OK. In your pattern? |
| 05:42.59 | karsten | Jarn: ...eg: replacement pattern. |
| 05:43.01 | Jarn | karsten: What was 'sed -i -e 's\#SECTION \%23SECTION/g' *.html*' should have been 'sed -i -e 's\#SECTION\%23SECTION/g' *.html*' |
| 05:43.07 | Jarn | karsten: Yes. |
| 05:43.18 | karsten | Jarn: And those should be forward slashes. |
| 05:43.30 | karsten | Jarn: But yeah. regexes are tricky. |
| 05:43.35 | karsten | Jarn: ...then again, so are exes. |
| 05:44.20 | Jarn | karsten: Hohum, I still got the old one copied. Someone suggested I try them as backslashes, and it didn't work. I used them as forward slashes, I just still had that copied, I guess. |
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| 05:45.30 | Xenguy | Jarn: something to keep in mind tho - some 'special characters' need to be 'escaped' (i.e. preceded with a backslash) sometimes, and that can create confusion |
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| 05:45.56 | Jarn | Xenguy: Yes, thank you. I am really pretty new to Linux, so I don't know much. |
| 05:45.59 | karsten | Jarn: Actually, the '/' character can be pretty much any matching character. '/' is traditional, but ',' is also often used, paticularly when substituting HTML (lots of "http://") and filenames with paths (/usr/share/doc...). The '\' character is special, it escapes the following character. |
| 05:46.06 | Xenguy | Jarn: lots to learn for sure |
| 05:46.23 | Vyrus001 | ok strange problem... for some reason my server evry now and then just locks up (evrything ssh gui whole ship of monkeys) and im not quite sure wich log to check... cus so far i see no sighn of error prior to the crash, nor do i know how to stop it... (debian 2.6 httpd,ftpd,sshd,dhcpd with internet connection sharring,firewall) |
| 05:46.29 | karsten | Jarn: Good news is a lot of the concepts are shared between apps and utilities, the knowledge is accumulative. |
| 05:46.32 | Jarn | Xenguy: But, when I get the time, I'm gonna read some things I downloaded. One thing I got is called 'The Linux Users' Guide'. Do you know if it is very informative? |
| 05:46.45 | karsten | Vyrus001: Random lockups are generally hardware. Sometimes bad drivers. |
| 05:46.48 | Xenguy | Jarn: dunno - got a URL? |
| 05:46.49 | stew | Jarn: when they said to use backslashes they didn't mean to replace the forward slashes, they menat /\#SECTION/\%23SECTION/g |
| 05:47.05 | Jarn | stew: Hehe. My bad. :P |
| 05:47.07 | karsten | Vyrus001: /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/messages *may* have some information. |
| 05:47.20 | Vyrus001 | karsten, hmm... well it was running fine untill i put the 2nd nic card in there ... b ut it rus fine |
| 05:47.30 | Vyrus001 | karsten, hmm... ill check |
| 05:47.40 | karsten | Vyrus001: Your keyboard appears to be experiencing problems ;-) |
| 05:47.44 | Jarn | Xenguy: Unfortunately, no. |
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| 05:47.57 | karsten | Vyrus001: Make sure the card is properly seated and you haven't knocked anything else loose. |
| 05:48.02 | cafuego | sed -e :a -e 's/^.\{1,77\}$/ &/;ta' -e 's/\( *\)\1/\1/' |
| 05:48.10 | cef | Vyrus001: do you have console access to the machine? |
| 05:48.10 | Jarn | Xenguy: Wait, yes I do. Just let me look a minute... |
| 05:48.16 | Vyrus001 | cef, yes |
| 05:48.22 | cafuego | sed '/\n/!G;s/\(.\)\(.*\n\)/&\2\1/;//D;s/.//' |
| 05:48.48 | karsten | Vyrus001: 'memtest86+' (run from boot) and 'cpuburn' (run during a regular session) will stress both your RAM and CPU to see if there's any faulty circuits. ~10-20 minutes of cpuburn, and 4-12 hours of memtest are generally recommended. |
| 05:48.53 | Jarn | Xenguy: http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/LUG/guide.html |
| 05:49.06 | karsten | Vyrus001: If your system is 2-3 years old, there's a lot of bad capacitors floating around breaking systems. |
| 05:49.12 | Vyrus001 | wow |
| 05:49.28 | Vyrus001 | well the system is only 3 years old but.. |
| 05:49.32 | Jarn | Xenguy: That was actually what I needed this for. I needed to replace some characters so all the pages I downloaded were linked together offline, then I was going to save it onto a floppy. |
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| 05:50.06 | cef | Vyrus001: look at sysrq. if you enable sysrq you can try and force the machine to sync it's disks, which if there is stuff to log that hasn't hit disk, hopefully you might be able to see it |
| 05:50.13 | cafuego | karsten: I didn't do poo |
| 05:50.52 | cef | Vyrus001: also you might want to turn off the console screensaver/screen blanking, so that you can see any errors that might normally be hidden |
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| 05:51.04 | cafuego | karsten: it's from "HANDY ONE-LINERS FOR SED" |
| 05:51.12 | Vyrus001 | cef, i run it in recovery kernel and it still breaks |
| 05:51.34 | karsten | cafuego: What does it do? |
| 05:51.35 | Rucas | hey, esmtp doesn't seem to be working for me, what should i look at to figure out what's going on? i try to send mail with mutt but it never gets there |
| 05:51.36 | cafuego | ooh, ww2 plane :-) |
| 05:52.00 | cafuego | karsten: The first one center-aligns text for a 79 column page. The second reverses all chars on each line. |
| 05:52.24 | Vyrus001 | cef, karsten my kernel log has a whole lot of.... |
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| 05:52.25 | Vyrus001 | Mar 18 17:32:56 obsmav kernel: Unknown ForwardIN=eth1 OUT=eth1 SRC=193.171.69.70 DST=67.125.51.21 LEN=34 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 $ |
| 05:52.32 | eAk | whats a good place to start reading about increasing performance on a laptop? |
| 05:52.40 | karsten | Vyrus001: That's firewall logging. Normal. |
| 05:52.47 | Vyrus001 | ok |
| 05:52.47 | Xenguy | Jarn: this URL is handy also: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 05:52.53 | karsten | cafuego: That's sick. |
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| 05:52.57 | Vyrus001 | well there is a shit load of firewall blockage |
| 05:52.58 | deadcat | eAk: removing shits you dont need on your laptop |
| 05:53.03 | cafuego | karsten: There's much, MUCh more. |
| 05:53.05 | benjamindees | eAk, you talking about hardware upgrades or voodoo magic? |
| 05:53.21 | karsten | Vyrus001: grep -v 'obsmav' on that file. You'll omit it. |
| 05:53.24 | karsten | cafuego: I'm sure. |
| 05:53.28 | eAk | not hardware, so it must be voodoo |
| 05:53.31 | Xenguy | cafuego: one-liners is a keeper |
| 05:53.32 | RootsLINUX | Is there a way to do the equivalent of a "uname -a" on a kernel that I have installed, but am not currently running? I just compiled a new kernel and I need to make sure its x86_64. Last time I tried to build a kernel for that arch uname returned i686 :( |
| 05:53.33 | cef | Vyrus001: if there is a LOT of firewall logging though, it can crash trying to keep up (had this happen myself) |
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| 05:53.58 | deadcat | eAk: voodoo? try your yellow page |
| 05:54.02 | Jarn | haha |
| 05:54.05 | eAk | i mean increasing cpu performance |
| 05:54.05 | benjamindees | eAk, umm, package selection is a good place to look, enabling dma on hard drives too |
| 05:54.13 | karsten | cafuego: Didn't Jefferson Airplane have a song, "Feed your sed"? |
| 05:54.19 | cafuego | karsten: For grepless systems, sed -n '/regexp/!p' emulates grep -v regex |
| 05:54.24 | deadcat | eAk: get a new laptop. |
| 05:54.26 | Vyrus001 | cef, that is quite proboly the issue cus i had no issues untill i put in my dhcp / firewall |
| 05:54.30 | Jarn | Xenguy: Thank you. |
| 05:54.34 | Vyrus001 | cef, u say it is the logging ? |
| 05:54.39 | Xenguy | Jarn: cheers |
| 05:54.47 | eAk | benjamindees, hdparm? ive done everything i can with it...anything else you know of? |
| 05:54.57 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. There was a contest to see who could repeat a phrase 50 times in the least code. |
| 05:55.01 | benjamindees | eAk, what is it that you find slow? |
| 05:55.12 | karsten | cafuego: My solution was: 'yes foo|sed -e50q' |
| 05:55.22 | karsten | cafuego: ...sort of a headless head. |
| 05:55.26 | deadcat | benjamindees: his slow cpu. p1, and he wants it to perform at p4 level maybe (= |
| 05:55.40 | SilentB0B | Is there a sarge DVD? |
| 05:55.46 | deadcat | SilentB0B: yes |
| 05:55.50 | karsten | SilentB0B: No, but it's coming out on Betamax. |
| 05:55.55 | SilentB0B | nice |
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| 05:56.21 | eAk | benjamindees, there's a cpu monitor in the slit, i watch it go to 100% routinely doing somewhat trivial stuff. the same things on windows (gasp) would not cause this. i assume its just configured incorrectly..but dont know where to start |
| 05:56.24 | deadcat | karsten: cant you jigdo it? |
| 05:56.35 | cef | Vyrus001: if the logs are huge, and they're filled with log lines like you posted, then possibly.. if the firewall script is using the 'LOG' target, you may want to look at the 'ULOG' target.. but if you don't know how the script works, it might be better to see if you can just disable the logging for that script |
| 05:56.38 | karsten | deadcat: It's a *JOKE* son! |
| 05:56.44 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:56.54 | deadcat | well your joke is bad. heheh |
| 05:57.04 | karsten | deadcat: Yes, I am a bad joke. |
| 05:57.05 | cafuego | You can emulate head, tail, uniq, grep... |
| 05:57.18 | cafuego | karsten: Digital BETA or analog? |
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| 05:57.24 | deadcat | karsten: you mean like a movie dvd right? |
| 05:57.25 | benjamindees | eAk, really using suitable programs is the best choice, try blackbox and dillo |
| 05:57.39 | cafuego | The Toy Story 2 DVD has been out for AGES people! |
| 05:57.41 | karsten | deadcat: <clap><clap><clap> |
| 05:57.44 | karsten | deadcat: ...apparently... |
| 05:57.49 | karsten | cafuego: ...I have a case of the clap. |
| 05:57.56 | deadcat | karsten: ok. i guess i am just slow at your joke.. i give it a 7/10 then (= |
| 05:57.59 | cafuego | karsten: That doesn't surprise me at all. |
| 05:58.08 | stew | SilentB0B: debian.org/CD |
| 05:58.09 | karsten | cafuego: It's asg's fault. |
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| 05:58.22 | eAk | hmm benjamindees im using gtk2, no desktop environment, fluxbox, and other liteweights. |
| 05:58.22 | cafuego | karsten: yeah, did you touch him without knowing where he's been? |
| 05:58.28 | karsten | cafuego: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
| 05:58.32 | karsten | cafuego: Sec. |
| 05:58.34 | deadcat | karsten: just dont clap when in front of my computer. (= its plugged to the clapper. |
| 05:59.11 | benjamindees | eAk, perhaps there is a cron job running in the background sometimes |
| 05:59.13 | cafuego | karsten: Mine's version 4.3, from Oct '97 |
| 05:59.25 | zhuyb | anyone know how to copy text from rxvt ,and paste it to another program? |
| 05:59.31 | karsten | cafuego: Looks like it's not on bash.org, but grep your IRC logs for "Pavlov' |
| 05:59.37 | benjamindees | eAk, disabling services you don't need is also good, sendmail, gpm |
| 05:59.53 | karsten | zhuyb: Right click. Highight. Middle click in other window to paste. |
| 05:59.59 | Xenguy | eAk: (and wu-ftpd ;-) |
| 06:00.00 | benjamindees | eAk, except Debian uses exim instead I think |
| 06:00.01 | karsten | zhuyb: s/right/left/ |
| 06:00.21 | karsten | benjamindees: by default, but sendmail's available. |
| 06:00.25 | zhuyb | thankyou ,karsten,i'll try |
| 06:00.41 | eAk | benjamindees, thanks for non-sarcastic helpful response, and Xenguy :) ill check into those... |
| 06:01.11 | Xenguy | eAk: just to be clear - I meant stay *away* from wu-ftpd |
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| 06:01.26 | pourriture | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:01.42 | benjamindees | eAk, he's right though, you could have some users you don't know about |
| 06:02.16 | cafuego | karsten: I can't grep my irc logs. |
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| 06:02.26 | eAk | disabling unused daemons, cleaning out unneeded cron-stuff, uninstall unused crap. i still feel like its just not fully utilizing the cpu? |
| 06:02.48 | cafuego | karsten: disk space is cheap, but I will need to be PAID a generous sum to keep irc logs! |
| 06:02.59 | zhuyb | karsten,thank you very much,your method work. |
| 06:03.00 | close_to_debian | i cannot get sendmail to send remote mail to a domian which has its MX entry poiting to a remote domian |
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| 06:03.25 | benjamindees | https://alioth.debian.org/projects/secure-testing/ |
| 06:03.55 | close_to_debian | its very important can any one help me i dont have experience working with sendmail :) |
| 06:04.24 | cafuego | close_to_debian: use another MTA then |
| 06:04.45 | karsten | zhuyb: NP. |
| 06:04.50 | deadcat | close_to_debian: email is so 90's |
| 06:04.57 | pourriture | close_to_debian, I have very little experience .... but try http://www.qmailrocks.org |
| 06:05.06 | cafuego | pourriture: BLAH! |
| 06:05.22 | pourriture | deadcat, you mean it is so 20th century and I agree |
| 06:05.28 | cafuego | close_to_debian: postfix or exim are excellent mail servers and easy to configure. |
| 06:05.40 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.40 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.48 | close_to_debian | cafuego: its for my client he uses sendmail i have dont this in exim with /etc/remotedomians which file is used in sendmail |
| 06:06.01 | pourriture | cafuego, blah? |
| 06:06.15 | cafuego | close_to_debian: Just set a smarthost in sendmail.cf, that should take care of stuff. |
| 06:06.25 | cafuego | pourriture: qmail has a crap license. |
| 06:06.42 | deadcat | pourriture: we all know morse code is making a come back |
| 06:06.44 | cafuego | close_to_debian: Looks for a line that starts with 'DS' |
| 06:07.42 | pourriture | cafuego, I can respect that ... deadcat , not so sure |
| 06:07.54 | cafuego | close_to_debian: That'll make sendmail bounce all mail to the relay server (except mail you tell it to keep local) |
| 06:08.24 | pwned | I burned debian's netinstall sarge cd, but it wasn't bootable. How should I burn it? with which program? |
| 06:08.38 | cafuego | pwned: Any software that can burn ISOs. |
| 06:08.39 | pourriture | cafuego, perhaps we can all agree that SMTP is FUCK****ED UP |
| 06:08.43 | karsten | cafuego: bachelor cooking: http://www.bash.org/?475174 |
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| 06:08.55 | pwned | cafe_roy, I did, it didn't come out bootable. Isn't it supposed to? |
| 06:09.00 | pwned | cafuego, |
| 06:09.18 | cafuego | pourriture: Smtp is fine, works fine, has worked fine. it's just qmail that's crap. |
| 06:09.18 | karsten | pwned: In 'Doze: roxio, nero. You have to use the ISO burning option. |
| 06:09.22 | karsten | pwned: In Linux: k3b. |
| 06:09.28 | cafuego | in linux, cdrecord |
| 06:09.35 | karsten | pwned: Yes, it's supposed to be bootable. |
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| 06:09.50 | karsten | cafuego: Well, yeah, I'm with you, but f33r the n00b5. |
| 06:10.01 | pwned | I used k3b to burn it, it didn't boot. *shrug |
| 06:10.02 | karsten | cafuego: fry your brain! |
| 06:10.07 | cafuego | IN BACON FAT |
| 06:10.13 | rTm-mOzO | Can any help me to configure DSL ? |
| 06:10.14 | cafuego | and then I'll poach it in cream |
| 06:10.15 | benjamindees | pwned, did you choose the "burn an image" option? |
| 06:10.23 | cafuego | rTm-mOzO: Plug the modem in, run pppoeconf |
| 06:10.30 | pourriture | cafuego, ok .... that is where you are wrong ... SMTP is not fine ... if it were people wouldn't be demanding postage on email as a way to get rid of spam |
| 06:10.35 | benjamindees | pwned, perhaps you system isn't capable of booting from cd or isn't configured to |
| 06:10.43 | rTm-mOzO | cafuego i made it... |
| 06:10.43 | pourriture | there wouldn't be spamassassin |
| 06:10.45 | pwned | benjamindees, that is not the case. |
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| 06:11.15 | benjamindees | pwned, it's hidden in the tools menu |
| 06:11.28 | rTm-mOzO | cafuego the pppoe make a conection with success.. but the conection is "freezed" |
| 06:11.45 | pwned | ooh there we go (= |
| 06:11.48 | rTm-mOzO | cafuego i can ping the gateway.. but the dns servers not respond :/ |
| 06:12.05 | pwned | stupid me was writing it as data iso |
| 06:13.10 | pourriture | SMTP while it can be made secure ... is abusable ... and that is because of the trust level of proto-arpa mail needs ... but now the flaws of SMTP are even obvious to congress ... the same congress who can't even figure out that social-secuity is flawed |
| 06:13.11 | rTm-mOzO | cafuego can you answer the "why" of this problem? |
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| 06:14.58 | batwood | does anyone know the "proper way" to configure OSS in testing/unstable now? |
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| 06:16.28 | pourriture | batwood, apt-get install alsa-base :):) |
| 06:16.57 | pourriture | that was a joke |
| 06:16.59 | pourriture | ha |
| 06:17.00 | close_to_debian | cafuego: i added a smarthost entry to sendmail.mc as 'dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`domianname.com')' but it is not working |
| 06:17.00 | pourriture | ha |
| 06:17.10 | close_to_debian | cafuego: PLease help |
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| 06:18.29 | batwood | pourriture: damn, I know. but alsa isn't available for 2.6 in apt and I was hoping to avoid building a custom kernel |
| 06:19.48 | close_to_debian | cafuego: any clues how to set i did it like dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`domianname.com')' and did m4 sendmail.mc > sendmail.cf |
| 06:20.59 | benjamindees | everybody know next time some idiot (ie me) comes in here asking about security updates for Testing to point them to the secure-testing project? |
| 06:21.13 | batwood | who was it who said "Configuring Sendmail is easy; just make a file of random bytes and keep changing them until it works." ? |
| 06:21.16 | lakcaj | batwood, what do you mean alsa isn't available for 2.6 in apt? I'm running sarge, with a 2.6.8 kernel, and have alsa-base, alsa-utils, and alsa-oss installed. |
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| 06:21.51 | eAk | :) thx for the help... |
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| 06:24.08 | batwood | lakcaj, I meant the alsa-modules package. you must have a custom-built kernel |
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| 06:25.13 | batwood | which I don't mind doing except it's a pain... I'm just wondering what the "right way" to do it now with OSS in unstable and no sndconfig |
| 06:26.44 | lakcaj | batwood, nope... I just re-installed on this machine a week ago, and it has all the snd modules (used the sarge net install cd). It detected my soundcard and set everything up for me. The only things I installed extra was the alsa-oss package for legacy apps still looking for oss. |
| 06:27.25 | takatumi | batwood: 2.6 kernels have ALSA built-in, all you need to do is load the right modules, install alsa-base and alsa-utils package, run alsamixer and unmute. |
| 06:27.41 | takatumi | and alsa-oss if required. |
| 06:27.44 | TBBle | Hmm. Anyone know of a gude or howto for converting a program from OpenSSL to GnuTLS? |
| 06:27.47 | batwood | what right modules? |
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| 06:28.11 | lakcaj | batwood, what sound card do you have? |
| 06:28.14 | takatumi | batwood: 'snd-xxx' |
| 06:28.46 | batwood | well, snd-emu10k1 is being auto-loaded correctly |
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| 06:29.03 | TBBle | batwood: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and tell it what soundcard you have, and then /etc/init.d/alsa start ought to load 'em for you. Or if you've got hotplug, that might do it for you, depending on the sound card. |
| 06:29.06 | lakcaj | batwood, try installing alsa-utils, and run alsamixer, you might just be muted by default. |
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| 06:29.10 | batwood | but the problem is there's a snd_usb_audio loaded too that is grabbing /dev/dsp |
| 06:29.40 | TBBle | Do you _have_ a USB sound card? |
| 06:29.50 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | does gnome have any gui cd burners |
| 06:30.25 | Supaplex | usb+sound? euu, sounds like an accident waiting to happen. :-X |
| 06:30.38 | batwood | it's just the microphone to a webcam. :-P |
| 06:30.41 | peace568 | gnomebaker |
| 06:30.53 | lakcaj | nautilus can burn cds too |
| 06:31.01 | peterS | Supaplex: it's actually marketed as a set of USB-connected speakers. the fact that they need a sound chip inside, consumers don't really think about that |
| 06:31.04 | TBBle | batwood: Ah. I have vauge idea that you can configure things so that the correct soundcard is first, but I can't recall how. |
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| 06:31.43 | TBBle | batwood: Try loading snd-emu10k first, in /etc/modules, before hotplug gets a chance to autoload things? |
| 06:31.45 | lakcaj | [cX]-sw0rdSavy, in nautilus, Go -> Cd Creater. However, gnomebaker is a very nice app. |
| 06:31.47 | batwood | well, I didn't even have alsa-base installed since I didn't realize the 2.6 kernel included it by default |
| 06:31.54 | peterS | TBBle: yeah, that's the simplest way |
| 06:31.57 | batwood | I just installed it and we'll see if that helps |
| 06:32.05 | TBBle | alsa-base is the userland support for ALSA. You still need it even though 2.6 comes with built-in _kernel_ support. |
| 06:32.09 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | k |
| 06:32.09 | TBBle | s/need/want/ technically. |
| 06:32.15 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | grr i want to burn this .nrg file i have |
| 06:32.23 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | i converted to iso with nrg2iso |
| 06:32.31 | lakcaj | batwood, you can also add snd_usb_audio to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if you don't really need it and dont' want it loaded. |
| 06:32.32 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | and it says the iso isnt a valid image |
| 06:32.35 | batwood | yeah... I figured 2.6 was still with OSS for whatever godawful reason |
| 06:32.37 | peterS | [cX]-sw0rdSavy: you had to use nero to produce the .nrg file, so just use nero to burn it |
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| 06:33.03 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | well nero for linux dosent work with my system for some reason |
| 06:33.09 | batwood | why doesn't it make dsp, dsp0, dsp1, dsp2 etc? |
| 06:33.15 | lakcaj | batwood, OSS was deprecated in the 2.6 series kernel for alsa, right from the start. |
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| 06:33.35 | TBBle | batwood: 2.6 has OSS still, but it's marked 'DEPRECATED' in the configuration setup. Some people still swear by it though. |
| 06:33.41 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | there has to be a way in linux right somehow |
| 06:33.46 | lakcaj | batwood, try installing alsa-oss |
| 06:34.05 | peterS | lakcaj: OSS isn't going away any time soon. it'd be listed in Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt if so |
| 06:34.14 | batwood | yeah, just did. rebooting to see if it goes away. :-P back soon |
| 06:34.35 | lakcaj | peterS, right... just saying is was "deprecated" :) I know some people are OSS die-hards. |
| 06:34.42 | TBBle | Amongst other things, if they dropped OSS/Free, then I figure OSS wouldn't work either. |
| 06:34.48 | peterS | lakcaj: while alsa probably supports all devices OSS does, or nearly so, there are cases where the alsa driver for a given hardware setup doesn't work well |
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| 06:37.04 | boddox | could someone tell me how to change the resolution of the terminal ? without editing lilo.conf? |
| 06:37.15 | bob2 | I want a pony |
| 06:37.21 | bob2 | without having a pony |
| 06:37.24 | boddox | lol |
| 06:37.33 | peterS | boddox: install and configure 'svgatextmode' |
| 06:37.38 | benjamindees | heh, it can be put on the kernel line you know |
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| 06:37.42 | aardvark | in soviet russia, pony has you. |
| 06:37.42 | TBBle | Or fbset, if it's a frambuffer device. |
| 06:37.48 | siimo | hikenboot, can someone please tell me how to change my system so that httpd will not start at bootup and i can start it whenever i want by /etc/init.d/httpd start |
| 06:37.52 | boddox | ty peters, ty tbble |
| 06:38.22 | TBBle | For a start, install a package that provides /etc/init.d/httpd. I don't think there's one in Debian... |
| 06:38.22 | peterS | boddox: the configure part is the challenge. you may or may not be able to get anything exotic, depending on whether it knows about your graphics hardware |
| 06:38.30 | bob2 | TBBle: hm, I tried to email you last week |
| 06:38.42 | TBBle | bob2: It didn't work? |
| 06:38.49 | bob2 | TBBle: well, you didn't reply :-) |
| 06:38.55 | TBBle | This is a stupid question, but how do I do an infinite loop in bash? (Trying to trigger a segfault in apache) |
| 06:39.03 | bob2 | TBBle: (about gus coming to canberra) |
| 06:39.04 | siimo | TBBle, i was giving an example |
| 06:39.12 | renegad3 | is there a command to check your hops? |
| 06:39.19 | bob2 | TBBle: "while true; do echo ; done" will loop forever |
| 06:39.32 | TBBle | bob2: Ah, that's the one! man while didn't give me anything. |
| 06:39.41 | undertow | renegad3, traceroute? |
| 06:39.47 | renegad3 | ok ta |
| 06:40.00 | boddox | peters, im going to try this fbset first, seams easyer, but thnx for the heads up |
| 06:40.10 | TBBle | siimo: in that case, rename all the 'S*' symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ that point to the init script in question to be 'K*'. |
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| 06:40.36 | TBBle | bob2: Oh yeah, I got that... Why didn't I reply... |
| 06:40.57 | siimo | TBBle, so if i want them back again i make them S* again? |
| 06:41.21 | TBBle | siimo: Yeah. In fact, there's a tool to do it for you, I think.. update-rc I think. |
| 06:41.22 | bob2 | TBBle: (I don't think we've met, but I remembered you being @anu, and gus (dpl candidate) was looking for people to beer with) |
| 06:41.39 | siimo | ok thanks |
| 06:42.06 | TBBle | bob2: Ah, I see it. Drat, I _meant_ to reply to that one too. I think as it happens I took that day off sick, so would have had to cancel. |
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| 06:42.18 | bob2 | TBBle: ah, fair enough |
| 06:42.19 | takatumi | siimo: update-rc.d or rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 06:42.41 | bob2 | TBBle: coming to the debian miniconf? |
| 06:42.48 | TBBle | Hell yeah. Paid up and everything. ^_^ |
| 06:42.55 | bob2 | woo :) |
| 06:43.06 | lizthegrey | I'm about to file an RFP/ITP, depending on whether or not I can get a sponsor - I'm looking at *BSD's datapipe utility. |
| 06:43.27 | bob2 | lizthegrey: if you want to package it, file it as ITP, regardless of if you have a sponsor yet |
| 06:43.45 | lizthegrey | Getting kind of sick and tired of ssh -L localport:remotehost:remoteport root@localhost /dev/null. |
| 06:43.51 | TBBle | Ah, there we go. If this doesn't trigger a segfault, nothing will. ^_^ |
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| 06:43.58 | lizthegrey | It's bloated, it sucks, and it hogs memory. |
| 06:44.38 | TBBle | What's datapipe do? |
| 06:44.38 | bob2 | lizthegrey: is netcat more what you're looking for? |
| 06:44.39 | lizthegrey | Unfortunately, I'm having problems tracking down a license. Nothing's specified in the original .tar.gz, but since it's distributed in the ports system, I'm crossing fingers and _hoping_ it's BSD license. |
| 06:45.00 | bob2 | lizthegrey: that won't cut it |
| 06:45.02 | TBBle | lizthegrey: That won't cut it, methinks. |
| 06:45.04 | TBBle | LOL |
| 06:45.08 | lizthegrey | Hmm, that looks promising. *looks* |
| 06:45.08 | boddox | lol i know im typing but i cant see anything, baah fbset :P bbiab |
| 06:45.08 | bob2 | you need a license from the author |
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| 06:46.25 | lizthegrey | Shows what I get for failing to apt-cache before googling ;) |
| 06:48.14 | lizthegrey | Hmm, that reveals more possibilities. socat or netcat... *ponders* socat looks more maintained. |
| 06:48.24 | lizthegrey | (by upstream) |
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| 06:48.40 | bob2 | netcat is what most everyone uses |
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| 06:49.32 | TBBle | Socat looks pretty cool, actually. ^_^ |
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| 06:49.42 | DaveNotik | Hi all: Does anyone know how to make my resolution larger? Debian Sarge, chose Vesa at startup... have an nvidia... resolution only goes up to 800x600 in options. :( |
| 06:50.03 | karsten | DaveNotik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:50.04 | TBBle | Albeit, heavier on the dependancies. |
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| 06:50.15 | karsten | DaveNotik: You're going to want to ask dpkg about nvidia as well. |
| 06:50.19 | karsten | !tell DaveNotik about nvidia |
| 06:50.51 | sankar | hi i have installed clusterknoppix .whenever i reboot it logs in by default to knoppix.how do i get a login screen? |
| 06:51.06 | bob2 | sankar: #knoppix |
| 06:51.10 | lizthegrey | Debian isn't Knoppix is the short answer :) |
| 06:51.23 | DaveNotik | !tell DaveNotik about nvidia-howto |
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| 06:52.02 | TBBle | Right, I've had my questoin answered (well, one of two) so I'm off. Thanks everyone. |
| 06:52.41 | sankar | can ayone help me out |
| 06:52.51 | lizthegrey | Try asking your question on #knoppix, sankar. |
| 06:52.52 | bob2 | sankar: go to #knoppix |
| 06:52.53 | karsten | !tell sankar about knoppix |
| 06:52.56 | karsten | sankar: No. |
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| 06:53.43 | lizthegrey | Stupid !@#$ flaky Ethernet cable and/or NIC. |
| 06:54.05 | Supaplex | lizthegrey: shoot the network admin! it's his fault! :-X |
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| 06:55.01 | lizthegrey | All right, having learned the power of apt-cache to find what I need, instead of compiling an old, licenceless BSD program, I think I'll head off and play with socat. Thanks for the help. |
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| 06:56.11 | Supaplex | hummm, I wonder how the *$@( this dry erase marker board will work with debian (it has rs232 serial) |
| 06:56.48 | karsten | Supaplex: What's the board? |
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| 06:57.05 | Scrape | If I want an encrypted journalled filesystem... do I want to encrypt a raw device (eg partition) and then create an XFS filesystem on it? Or do I want to make an XFS filesystem, create an encrypted file on it, and use that file as a loopback mounted filesystem? |
| 06:57.05 | jamie_ | ok, i just took on a new customer who peaked tonight at 8MB/s, coinciding with a CNN mention. This will probably keep going for the next few days. What are my best options? hotsanic? traffic shaping? squid connection pools? |
| 06:57.22 | Supaplex | karsten: ibid 55000 |
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| 06:57.40 | karsten | Scrape: AFAIK there's an encrypted FS howto. I think you can do it either wya. |
| 06:59.05 | karsten | Supaplex: Sure of that? No Google hits. |
| 06:59.44 | DemisM | what is the best repository for sarge or do you guys know where I can get a decent list? |
| 06:59.52 | bob2 | huh? |
| 06:59.56 | bob2 | sarge *is* a repository |
| 07:00.06 | karsten | DemisM: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:00.09 | DemisM | apt repositories |
| 07:00.11 | apt | repositories are frequently old. |
| 07:00.12 | alec | _jamie_, squid most likely |
| 07:00.18 | karsten | DemisM: ...or your local repository. |
| 07:00.26 | benjamindees | DemisM, there is only the main repo, and lots of mirrors |
| 07:00.27 | bob2 | DemisM: you mean "repository of other random crap that's not in Debian, for sarge"? |
| 07:00.43 | _jamie_ | alec: ok. the traffic is going through a dnat linux 2.4x firewall |
| 07:00.46 | lakcaj | DemisM, what are you missing? did you add contrib and non-free to the repo in your sources.list? |
| 07:00.53 | DemisM | no |
| 07:01.04 | _jamie_ | alec: you think i should consider the traffic shaping stuff? i'm not too fmailiar with it. |
| 07:01.06 | alec | _jamie_, that's nice, because you can do load balancing on the firewall |
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| 07:01.22 | DemisM | lakcaj, how do I add those? |
| 07:01.23 | _jamie_ | alec: well, i just need to slow down the site a bit ;-) |
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| 07:01.53 | alec | _jamie_, so you're concerned about using less bandwidth instead of serving up all the pages? |
| 07:01.58 | Supaplex | karsten: yea, ibid 55000 ;/ |
| 07:02.00 | clay | I'm having trouble getting the xserver started. I'm using an nvidia fx 5900 pci express, samsung syncmaster (I'm 100% sure the vertical/horiz sync is right), with sarge/minimal network install cd. This is my XFree86 log file. Anyone have any idea what's wrong? It simply says no devices found. |
| 07:02.07 | clay | http://www.idleengineer.net/files/XFree86.0.log |
| 07:02.12 | lakcaj | DemisM, use apt-setup to add a repository. Then, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and at the end of each line that was added, where is said "main", put "main contrib non-free" at the end of the line. |
| 07:02.23 | _jamie_ | alec, right. i have plenty of pipe and all, server has no trouble serving the pages. just consuming huge amounts of traffic |
| 07:02.28 | _jamie_ | s/traf/band/ |
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| 07:03.03 | karsten | Supaplex: Google (Web|Groups) doesn't look promising. |
| 07:03.07 | alec | ah, then yeah, traffic shaping is something you should look in to - squid won't help you conserve bandwidth |
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| 07:03.39 | _jamie_ | alec: i think it will with connection pools |
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| 07:03.46 | _jamie_ | alec: are you familiar wtih them? |
| 07:03.46 | DemisM | lakcaj: does that include all the other files that are in main also? |
| 07:03.51 | alec | _jamie_, no, I'm not |
| 07:03.58 | karsten | _jamie_: squid may help you with dynamic back-end load. But not total bandwidth. |
| 07:04.00 | _jamie_ | alec: i know it will as a forward proxy, but i'm not sure if they'll work with reverse proxy |
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| 07:04.14 | _jamie_ | karsten: are you familiar with connection pools? |
| 07:04.16 | benjamindees | _jamie_, are you trying to stay under a quota or just keep bandwidth open for other users? |
| 07:04.23 | _jamie_ | benjamindees: quota |
| 07:04.28 | _jamie_ | 1TB/mo |
| 07:04.29 | superCow007 | when I install a package with the build option, which file in the source specifies the configure options? I want to add a --with configure option to an existing package.. |
| 07:04.36 | karsten | _jamie_: No. |
| 07:04.37 | clay | hmm does anyone have any clue on that XServer problem? I just don't know where to start, since "no devices found" is too vauge. |
| 07:04.38 | _jamie_ | benjamindees: at this rate, I'll be at 8 TB/mo |
| 07:04.45 | lakcaj | DemisM, yes... you don't remove the main, your just add contrib and non-free after main. |
| 07:04.53 | benjamindees | _jamie_, iirc apache has modules that will drop every x users |
| 07:05.01 | DemisM | ok thanks ;) |
| 07:05.02 | lakcaj | like I pasted in the other window... did you see that? |
| 07:05.11 | streuner | clay: try a start with /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 07:05.12 | DemisM | yes sir. |
| 07:05.16 | lakcaj | :) |
| 07:05.18 | benjamindees | _jamie_, but there's no real way to do that other than displaying a 'sorry unavailable' page |
| 07:05.28 | DemisM | does sarge get security updates? |
| 07:05.36 | streuner | not yet |
| 07:05.39 | _jamie_ | karsten: squid has a function called conneciton pools. it's cool. you fill up a connection bucket which runs at high speed until it's empty. then squid dribbles out traffic until the bucket refills. neat for users attaching to web through proxy, i don't know if it's relevant for reverse proxy |
| 07:05.42 | alec | _jamie_, redirect referrers from CNN to a lower-bandwith page? |
| 07:06.00 | _jamie_ | alec: good point. |
| 07:06.11 | streuner | DemisM: they are packaged into the debs itself now till sarge is stable |
| 07:06.17 | clay | streuner: What will that do? (I had to boot back to another os, it'll be a long trip over to try that). so, "startx /msg dpkg nvidia"? |
| 07:06.23 | karsten | _jamie_: I've used squid, but only as a client-side cache not a server accelerator. Never used pools, not familiar w/ them. |
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| 07:06.29 | _jamie_ | probably traffic shaping to reduce maximum outflow on the interface is best option. |
| 07:06.49 | streuner | clay: /just type into your irc-client '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
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| 07:06.55 | _jamie_ | karsten: ah, cool. pools are really for client-side -- i don't know if they make sense for server accelerator |
| 07:06.57 | Harlin | is there a very good page to look at that goes into detail on debian install that you guys might recommend? |
| 07:07.06 | clay | ah, silly me =) |
| 07:07.24 | DemisM | would you say xchat is the best irc client for linux? |
| 07:07.36 | clay | hmm, yeah, nvidia drivers, but it bothers me that it doesn't start up using "nv", which it did fine with under suse |
| 07:07.38 | streuner | DemisM: best for what? |
| 07:07.38 | superCow007 | moooo |
| 07:07.47 | karsten | _jamie_: The one thing I _am_ aware of is that you can chain caches. So one proxy will first search its proxy neighborhood (if configured) before going for a direct hit. But that's nothing I've used either, just read the docs on it. |
| 07:07.48 | DaveNotik | !tell DaveNotik |
| 07:07.51 | DemisM | for easse of use |
| 07:07.52 | karsten | Harlin: Yes. |
| 07:07.54 | streuner | !best |
| 07:07.54 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:07.57 | karsten | Harlin: The Debian Installation Manual. |
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| 07:08.21 | superCow007 | I guess the word best is pretty useless then |
| 07:08.30 | karsten | Harlin: If you're doing a Sarge install, read it rather than the current stable (Woody / 3.0) manual. |
| 07:08.33 | streuner | DemisM: yeah, X-Chat is easy to use |
| 07:09.00 | streuner | DemisM: no doubt |
| 07:09.04 | Harlin | karsten, it's woody |
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| 07:09.11 | superCow007 | BitchX |
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| 07:09.19 | superCow007 | is where all the l33t folks are at |
| 07:09.32 | karsten | Harlin: Any particular reason you're installing Woody? |
| 07:09.44 | karsten | Harlin: Not that it's an issue, but I'd tend to recommend sarge. |
| 07:10.14 | karsten | Harlin: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install |
| 07:10.14 | balus | I've just installed sarge but can't get a resolution higher than 800x600 - what have I stuffed up? |
| 07:10.16 | karsten | Harlin: ...woody. |
| 07:10.27 | karsten | !tell balus about set up x |
| 07:10.38 | karsten | balus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:10.45 | _jamie_ | karsten, chaining caches is a good idea to get lots of bandwidth cheap. normally the overage pricing is more expensive than another server!!! |
| 07:10.52 | Harlin | karsten: thank you! |
| 07:10.59 | karsten | balus: Would help to know your graphix card, monitor, specs. |
| 07:11.01 | karsten | Harlin: NP. |
| 07:11.16 | balus | I'm pretty sure I did that karsten - the dpkg bit |
| 07:11.17 | DemisM | how can I install my printer? |
| 07:11.35 | balus | sorry GF2 MX with a Mitsubishi Diamondview 1770G |
| 07:11.45 | karsten | Harlin: Sarge install: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Docs: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ I'd recommend a netinst myself if you've got broadband. |
| 07:11.57 | balus | runs 1024 x 768 ok in W2K |
| 07:12.00 | karsten | !tell DemisM about cups |
| 07:12.32 | karsten | balus: 'lspci | grep -i vga' Should be one line output. Paste here. |
| 07:12.39 | Harlin | karsten, yeah that's what im doing... i have never played with debian before... hopefully it works well on vmware |
| 07:12.39 | balus | ok hang on |
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| 07:12.56 | karsten | Harlin: It does. If you're playing, I'd *definitely* recommend sarge. |
| 07:13.12 | Harlin | karsten, i thought woody was the most recent stable? |
| 07:13.12 | DaveNotik | Re: nvidia-howto --- how do I make my sources.list editable so I can changes sources to Sid so I can get nvidia stuff to increase my resolution? |
| 07:13.14 | karsten | Harlin: 'unstable' in Debian is markedly more stable than 'stable' elsewhere. |
| 07:13.29 | balus | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1) |
| 07:13.29 | karsten | Harlin: Long story. Sarge is getting very close to release. |
| 07:13.34 | Harlin | oh |
| 07:13.37 | DemisM | what is the cups pkg called? |
| 07:13.41 | Harlin | karsten, oh so Sarge is the newer one |
| 07:13.46 | karsten | Harlin: 'stable' == "packages aren't updated, only fixed for bugs/security". |
| 07:14.00 | karsten | Harlin: "unstable" == "packages may be updated at any time, as they become available". |
| 07:14.05 | streuner | DemisM: /msg dpkg cups |
| 07:14.24 | karsten | Harlin: Yes. There are always three "current" releases: stable, unstable, and testing. |
| 07:15.07 | karsten | Harlin: 'stable' is really geared at servers and very high reliability systems. Most desktop users run testing and/or unstable. |
| 07:15.29 | karsten | Harlin: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:15.42 | karsten | !tell balus about nvidia |
| 07:15.49 | karsten | balus: You're going to need nvidia drivers. |
| 07:15.55 | balus | aha, ok |
| 07:15.59 | karsten | DemisM: You set on cups ATM? |
| 07:16.16 | DemisM | I'm installing it now |
| 07:16.17 | karsten | balus: I've got no experience with that, follow the bot's directions. Ask channel, not me. |
| 07:16.21 | karsten | DemisM: OK. |
| 07:16.30 | DaveNotik | Re: nvidia-howto --- how do I make my sources.list editable so I can changes sources to Sid so I can get nvidia stuff to increase my resolution? |
| 07:16.37 | balus | thanks karsten, I appreciate your help |
| 07:16.44 | karsten | DaveNotik: Edit as root. |
| 07:16.46 | karsten | balus: NP. |
| 07:17.00 | DaveNotik | karsten: Can I do that via GUI? |
| 07:17.01 | jetscreamer | holy font hell batman |
| 07:17.12 | karsten | DaveNotik: 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 07:17.19 | karsten | DaveNotik: If you don't have sudo installed, install it. |
| 07:17.32 | DaveNotik | karsten: thanks! lemme try. |
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| 07:19.21 | DemisM | for usb printers which of the drivers do I need? |
| 07:19.54 | karsten | DemisM: Basic USB support. Within CUPs, your printer Mfr if listed. |
| 07:20.03 | DaveNotik | karsten: I'm so new to Linux. How do I select the sarge block to copy and create a sid block? |
| 07:20.13 | DaveNotik | I don't know how to cut and paste in the terminal. |
| 07:20.14 | DemisM | and what is a ppd file? |
| 07:20.25 | karsten | DemisM: Printer <mumble> definition. |
| 07:20.33 | DemisM | lol, sorry guys, new at this :) |
| 07:20.36 | breezelf | DaveNotik: maybe hold shift? |
| 07:20.39 | streuner | !ppd |
| 07:20.39 | dpkg | somebody said ppd was postscript printer description. See http://www.linuxprinting.org, or the docs for lpr, lprng, pdq, cups, or whatever the hell printing system you use. |
| 07:20.41 | karsten | DemisM: If you run the CUPS web interface, you've got an excellent manual at your fingertips. |
| 07:20.48 | DaveNotik | breezelf: didn't work. :) |
| 07:21.15 | karsten | DaveNotik: Strongly recommend you learn vim. Later, run 'vimtutor'. |
| 07:21.33 | karsten | DaveNotik: For right now, you might want to try 'nano' as your editor. |
| 07:21.34 | DaveNotik | Will do. Once I can see more than a little cube on my laptop monitor. |
| 07:21.44 | streuner | !didn't work |
| 07:21.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:21.51 | karsten | DaveNotik: Or... |
| 07:22.02 | breezelf | dpkg: lol |
| 07:22.02 | dpkg | stands for Laughs Out Loud, also Lamer On Line. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 07:22.13 | karsten | DaveNotik: vim is a modal editor. <esc> puts you in command mode. 'iaoO' puts you in insert mode. |
| 07:22.20 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 07:22.20 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 07:22.28 | karsten | DaveNotik: 'hjkl' are movement keys (left | down | up | right) |
| 07:22.31 | peterS | "vi has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't" - I forget whom to attribute that to |
| 07:22.32 | breezelf | ah, i failed the turing test |
| 07:22.44 | karsten | DaveNotik: 'm' can set marks. |
| 07:22.53 | DemisM | is 9 pin usb? |
| 07:23.19 | peterS | DemisM: USB is 4 pins in a small, usually flat rectangular port |
| 07:23.30 | peterS | DemisM: 9 pins in a trapezoid is usually RS232 serial |
| 07:23.44 | karsten | DaveNotik: ...which gets us to: hit <esc>. Move to the start of the line you want to copy (hjkl keys). Hit 'ma'. Move to the bottom of the range. Hit 'mb'. Move to where you want to paste. Type ":'a,'b co .<enter>' |
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| 07:24.05 | karsten | DaveNotik: ...that marks the region and copies it where you want it. In a decade or so this will be fast and second nature ;-) |
| 07:24.15 | karsten | peterS: yes, but which mode is which? |
| 07:24.28 | peterS | karsten: beep mode is otherwise known as command mode (: |
| 07:24.36 | DaveNotik | karsten: woa, Linux is so commands-based |
| 07:24.36 | karsten | peterS: beep |
| 07:24.44 | karsten | DaveNotik: Tends to be. |
| 07:24.45 | peterS | karsten: :q |
| 07:24.57 | tchino | i want to install kde3.4 is the side: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ok for update my kde |
| 07:25.03 | karsten | DaveNotik: There's advantages to this. Frex: remote admin. |
| 07:25.10 | karsten | !tell tchino about kde |
| 07:25.21 | streuner | tchino: as long as you run sid, i would guess yes |
| 07:25.34 | streuner | tchino: /list #debian-kde |
| 07:25.38 | karsten | DaveNotik: Also, the command line stuff changes little over time. In part because people get *really* pissed off if their scripts break. |
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| 07:25.57 | jetscreamer | it wil melt your box |
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| 07:26.48 | benjamindees | anybody use win4lin on Debian? |
| 07:26.56 | tchino | streuner: and when comes it for testing? |
| 07:27.13 | streuner | tchino: no idea, ask in #debian-kde |
| 07:27.18 | jetscreamer | !list_of_files_that_are_supposed_to_be_suid_hint_hint peterS |
| 07:27.20 | karsten | DaveNotik: I was editing an X config file (dual-head config) at a school here. Girl's watching text fly all over the screen, looks at me, jaw hanging. I mention "it's a really efficient editor...and I've been using it for about 18 years" |
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| 07:27.37 | karsten | DaveNotik: ...she replies "how old are you?" "36". |
| 07:27.55 | jetscreamer | pretty please |
| 07:27.56 | karsten | DaveNotik: ...the part that made my week was "you're in good shape for your age" |
| 07:28.04 | peterS | jetscreamer: $ find /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin -perm +4000 > /tmp/suid_for_peterS |
| 07:28.12 | peterS | jetscreamer: DCC incoming |
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| 07:28.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: There's also a suidmanager or something, isn't there? |
| 07:28.54 | karsten | jetscreamer: suidmanager. |
| 07:29.15 | karsten | jetscreamer: Hrm. Obsolete, nm. |
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| 07:29.29 | karsten | jetscreamer: dpkg-statoverride for more info. |
| 07:29.54 | jetscreamer | d-i is non suid by default it seems |
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| 07:31.10 | Harlin | karsten: will debian install the package groups with tasksel after its finished downloading? |
| 07:32.09 | karsten | Harlin: I believe so. D/L will probably take 20-40 minutes depending on your bw. |
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| 07:33.42 | Harlin | karsten, is it easy to update packages after install? for example, i think its installing python2.1 |
| 07:33.52 | jetscreamer | heh my first dcc in like > 1.5 yrs |
| 07:33.54 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 07:33.57 | phxguy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.01 | karsten | Harlin: Yes, *very* easy. |
| 07:34.06 | karsten | Harlin: That's a major Debian win. |
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| 07:35.53 | Harlin | karsten, i am a developer and i need a linux version that wont require a ton of maintenance... my days of that stuff are over -- i dont enjoy fixing operating systems anymore... |
| 07:36.16 | Harlin | karsten, i have to have a stable box that will allow me test python software |
| 07:36.22 | Harlin | in linux environment |
| 07:36.36 | karsten | Harlin: I picked up Debian in part because it offers a lot of capabilities (lots of packages, etc) and because stuff stays pretty sane. Less fuss. |
| 07:36.59 | karsten | Harlin: sarge will be freezing eventually, you may want to freeze with it and set your system to stable once it's released. |
| 07:37.01 | Harlin | well may be this will work out well |
| 07:37.10 | Harlin | ok... |
| 07:37.22 | Harlin | karsten, is it possible to upgrade the entire version over the net? |
| 07:37.29 | Harlin | karsten, man that would really be great |
| 07:37.37 | karsten | Harlin: Experience with RH, Suse, Mandrake, OpenBSD, Turbo, Ubuntu. You _might_ want to look at Ubuntu (mostly Debian), as well. |
| 07:37.43 | phxguy_ | well thanks for ignoreing me laters |
| 07:37.44 | karsten | Harlin: Yes. |
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| 07:38.17 | karsten | Harlin: Debian's pretty much designed for that. I keep up to six systems here running over dialup. |
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| 07:40.39 | DemisM | strange, i get a client-not-possible, it seems to find my pritner but I can't print a test page |
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| 07:43.52 | daraknor | What setting do I change to increase the repeat delay for middle click? |
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| 07:44.22 | karsten | daraknor: Hrm. Good question. What's your desktop? |
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| 07:44.42 | karsten | daraknor: ...and what do you mean repeat delay for _middle_ click? |
| 07:44.56 | karsten | Linda^is^a^geniu: What's a geniu? |
| 07:45.40 | daraknor | too often I use middle click to paste, and it pastes 2-4 times instead of just once. |
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| 07:45.58 | daraknor | xwindow gnome blackbox, getting version numbers now. |
| 07:46.26 | karsten | daraknor: Um. I suspect you're hitting the keys repeatedly. Clicks don't repeat. |
| 07:46.44 | DemisM | where do I change my mouse preferences like change it to 3-button scroll mouse or what not? |
| 07:46.57 | karsten | daraknor: keyboard events repeat, and can be set with 'kbdrate'. |
| 07:47.04 | karsten | DemisM: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:48.02 | daraknor | I suspect that I'm not imagining things. |
| 07:48.25 | karsten | daraknor: aptitude install bigger-imagination |
| 07:48.41 | rTm-mOzO | can any help me with a ADSL conection ? =~/ |
| 07:48.44 | karsten | daraknor: Could be a HW issue. It's not a standard mouse problem though. |
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| 07:48.47 | karsten | !tell rTm-mOzO about ask |
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| 07:49.10 | karsten | daraknor: That said, KDE/GNOME have some mouse config tools. It's sort of a dark area for me though. |
| 07:49.12 | daraknor | I will try another approach. I hit middle click for less than a second and release without the little bumps inside telling me that I scrolled at all. Without any delay, the same message appears 4 times. |
| 07:49.33 | daraknor | I will attempt to duplicate the issue in console mode. AFK. |
| 07:49.44 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 07:50.01 | karsten | daraknor: For me, 'paste' on middle button (compaq optical wheelmouse) is an on-up event. |
| 07:50.04 | rTm-mOzO | karsten I configured a connection.. her connect.. but stay "freezed" |
| 07:50.11 | karsten | daraknor: ...so holding the button down has no effect. |
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| 07:50.47 | rTm-mOzO | karsten I can ping the gw, but the DNS servers do not respond |
| 07:50.48 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: check your logs, and ifconfig output. If you need to, read the following factoid... |
| 07:50.53 | karsten | !tell rTm-mOzO about paster |
| 07:51.11 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: are you blocking port 53? |
| 07:51.18 | rTm-mOzO | karsten i look.. its all ok. |
| 07:51.27 | rTm-mOzO | karsten no. |
| 07:51.28 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: Try an alternate DNS server. |
| 07:51.58 | rTm-mOzO | karsten i can't try it |
| 07:52.05 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: Try this (one of my ISPs:) 66.81.7.158 |
| 07:52.30 | rTm-mOzO | karsten nops.. the provider request an auth via website |
| 07:52.30 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: Eg: host www.google.com 66.81.7.158 |
| 07:52.54 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: That's going to query Google's DNS from an Earthlink DNS server. |
| 07:52.59 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: What's your ISP? |
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| 07:53.04 | rTm-mOzO | karsten Velox |
| 07:53.14 | daraknor | It is an "on up event" for me too. Thank you for your time. |
| 07:53.16 | bodq | hello |
| 07:53.29 | bodq | this autoinstall thing, DOES IT REALLY WORK? |
| 07:53.31 | karsten | daraknor: Check your hardware, make sure you don't have loose parts in there. |
| 07:53.48 | karsten | bodq: No, it just louts around and collects welfare. |
| 07:53.50 | rTm-mOzO | karsten via windows i can auth.. but in linux her stay freezed an don't open the auth page |
| 07:53.54 | bodq | I can not make initrd+kernel fit on a single floppy, even with 2.2 kernel :( |
| 07:54.02 | uT | curious if highmem should be active on a p2mmx? |
| 07:54.11 | bodq | karsten: you're very helpful, thank you |
| 07:54.15 | daraknor | I use Logitech mice, I have 2 of them. I'm going to attempt to duplicate the issue with the other one. I suspect hardware. Thanks again. |
| 07:54.22 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: BR? |
| 07:54.34 | rTm-mOzO | karsten yep |
| 07:54.39 | karsten | bodq: NP ;-) |
| 07:54.57 | jethro | !nickometer rTm-mOzO |
| 07:54.57 | dpkg | 'rTm-mOzO' is 99.840% lame, jethro |
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| 07:55.46 | karsten | bodq: Did you have a real question lurking in there? |
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| 07:56.04 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: Um. I'm confused about what is or isn't working. |
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| 07:56.12 | rTm-mOzO | karsten hm |
| 07:56.20 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: You're getting an IP? |
| 07:56.22 | bodq | karsten: yeah |
| 07:56.25 | rTm-mOzO | karsten yep |
| 07:56.26 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: You can ping the gateway? |
| 07:56.31 | rTm-mOzO | karsten yep |
| 07:56.37 | DemisM | when I was running xwindows under root and i plugged in my ipod it recognized it, now under a normal user it wont, how can I fix this, or get my devices to be detected when I plug them in? |
| 07:56.40 | karsten | bodq: Care to share or should I plug in my ESP booster? |
| 07:56.45 | rTm-mOzO | karsten in /var/log/messages is all ok in the connection |
| 07:56.58 | rTm-mOzO | karsten i can ping the gw too |
| 07:56.59 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: can you reach any IPs past the gateway? Can you ping your DNS server? |
| 07:57.17 | karsten | !tell bodq about smart questions |
| 07:57.35 | rTm-mOzO | karsten the gw i can ping but the dns no |
| 07:57.59 | rTm-mOzO | karsten the dns servers do not answer a ping |
| 07:58.09 | rTm-mOzO | *the |
| 07:58.10 | bodq | I'm trying to use autoinstall to install sarge (apt-cache show autoinstall), but I can not get kernel+initrd small enough to fit on a single floppy. Am I just doing something wrong, or is this autoinstall thing now obsolete? |
| 07:58.15 | jethro | rTm-mOzO: can you ping the dns from your gw ? |
| 07:58.26 | karsten | rTm-mOzO: My portuguese is poor, but is this useful? http://www.brunotorres.net/gnulinux/velox-linux |
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| 07:58.37 | karsten | jethro: Just asked him that. |
| 07:58.50 | rTm-mOzO | jethro the dns n |
| 07:59.00 | rTm-mOzO | jethro but the gw i can |
| 07:59.02 | karsten | bodq: Can you run from a CDROM? |
| 07:59.03 | jethro | karsten: "ping the gateway or the DNS" meant "not from the gw" since the gw is one of the targets |
| 07:59.10 | jethro | karsten: at least to me |
| 07:59.11 | rTm-mOzO | karsten my english is poor too hehehe |
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| 07:59.32 | bodq | karsten: no |
| 07:59.45 | jethro | karsten: was trying to know if it was a forwarding problem :) |
| 07:59.46 | karsten | jethro: I was suggesting being able to reach a known IP (say, DNS server, usually referenced by same) from this side of GW. |
| 07:59.53 | jethro | karsten: got your point |
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| 08:00.18 | karsten | jethro: Yeah, that's my thought. I'm looking at Velox info, mostly portuguese, to see if they're a crippled 'Doze-only ISP. |
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| 08:00.27 | karsten | bodq: OK. Sarge install? |
| 08:00.51 | bodq | karsten: I do not understand your question |
| 08:01.08 | karsten | bodq: Are you attempting to install the 'sarge' release of Debian? |
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| 08:01.31 | bodq | karsten: yes, I said that. |
| 08:01.33 | DemisM | karsten, any idea how I can get my usb devices auto-mounted as a normal user |
| 08:01.43 | karsten | bodq: Sorry, I'm in four conversations ;-) |
| 08:01.54 | karsten | DemisM: Check this week's DWN for info. |
| 08:01.57 | jethro | rTm-mOzO: can you 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' and tell us what's the content? |
| 08:01.58 | karsten | !tell DemisM about dwn |
| 08:02.22 | karsten | !tell DemisM about usb mount |
| 08:02.23 | uT | how to report a spambot?? getting pr0n ads from: ~Cindy_not@85.97.91.162 |
| 08:02.38 | jethro | rTm-mOzO: i m assuming you have a linux gw, I might be wrong on that :) |
| 08:02.43 | karsten | jethro: Shouldn't be necessary for access from host itself. |
| 08:02.44 | jethro | uT: use !ops |
| 08:02.52 | karsten | jethro: I think you're wrong ;-) |
| 08:03.01 | rTm-mOzO | jethro i cant.. i connected via win32 at this moment because my velox conection in linux stay freezed |
| 08:03.04 | jethro | karsten: he still didn't make it clear to me if he tried from gw or from a host behing the gw |
| 08:03.05 | uT | !ops |
| 08:03.05 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 08:03.16 | uT | ahh fuggit |
| 08:03.22 | jethro | uT: !ops <state the problem here> |
| 08:03.28 | petemc | uT: whats the nick? |
| 08:03.31 | karsten | bodq: For install from floppies, try following instructions here: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch02s02.html#id2526481 |
| 08:03.52 | jethro | karsten: anyway I ll just stfu and get a breakfast, see you all later |
| 08:03.55 | karsten | jethro: My read is host behind GW. GW is ISP's remote box. I don't think he's doing DHCP to a cable-modem. |
| 08:04.10 | bodq | karsten: thank you , I knew that. I'm talking about the autoinstall package, not about generic install procedure |
| 08:04.12 | uT | petemc i dont know anymore, closed the window |
| 08:04.13 | karsten | jethro: I _was_ appreciating the help. |
| 08:04.23 | karsten | bodq: OK.... Preseed install? |
| 08:04.32 | jethro | karsten: but I m starving, I m not leaving pissed don't worry :) |
| 08:04.39 | karsten | jethro: NP ;-) |
| 08:04.40 | DemisM | karsten, I think i might have one of those programs already installed since my ipod gets mounted as root, so I was wondering how I can do it as a normal user, those links should help? |
| 08:04.43 | uT | ~Cindy_not@85.97.91.162 <--pr0nbot |
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| 08:05.00 | bodq | karsten: kind of, I guess. |
| 08:05.05 | bodq | karsten: something like FAI |
| 08:05.27 | petemc | !ops Linda^is^a^geniu spambot |
| 08:05.28 | karsten | bodq: friend of mine's got a preseed server up, sec.... |
| 08:05.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Linda^is^a^geniu spambot |
| 08:05.44 | karsten | petemc: join spam? |
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| 08:05.51 | petemc | yes |
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| 08:06.01 | karsten | petemc: bob2's on it. |
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| 08:06.06 | petemc | i see that |
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| 08:06.16 | karsten | !beer bodq |
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| 08:06.19 | karsten | !beer bob2 |
| 08:06.33 | uT | thx bob2 |
| 08:06.52 | karsten | bodq: http://interthingy.com/digby/preseed |
| 08:06.58 | karsten | bodq: I'm sorta researching this ATM... |
| 08:07.10 | Curtman | What does "ifupdown.postinst: Error: The canonical path of /etc/network/run could not be determined. Aborting." mean? :( |
| 08:07.10 | bodq | thanks, karsten |
| 08:07.11 | bob2 | "little creatures" is a nice auian beer, too |
| 08:07.48 | karsten | bodq: Hrm. Looks like the host's been tweaked, it's not what it was. |
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| 08:09.23 | karsten | bodq: Where'd you get your flooppy images? |
| 08:09.37 | karsten | bodq: The beer was accidental ;-) |
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| 08:10.00 | karsten | Curtman: Try running the postinst script manually. |
| 08:10.01 | bodq | karsten: I can not generate them because kernel+initrd doesn't fit |
| 08:10.13 | Curtman | karsten: Okay. |
| 08:10.17 | karsten | Curtman: Should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst |
| 08:10.31 | karsten | Curtman: 'bash -x' will give commands being run. May help determine what's up. |
| 08:10.46 | karsten | bodq: Yeah, I'm trying to find out where you're getting 'em. |
| 08:11.01 | bodq | karsten: I run make-autoinstall-floppy :) |
| 08:11.05 | karsten | bodq: You can also split the images. Kernel on one floppy, initrd on the next. |
| 08:11.13 | karsten | bodq: OK. Where are you getting your instructions? |
| 08:11.15 | Curtman | karsten: Okay, it says "ifupdown.postinst: line 172: db_stop: command not found" |
| 08:11.24 | karsten | Curtman: Running as root? |
| 08:11.28 | Curtman | karsten: Yep |
| 08:11.40 | bodq | karsten: /usr/share/doc/autoinstall/HOWTO.gz |
| 08:12.05 | Curtman | karsten: This box has been up for 87 days now.. Perhaps it needs to be fskd'd.. |
| 08:12.17 | karsten | bodq: How about a URL? |
| 08:12.34 | karsten | Curtman: Perhaps, but that would be worse problems. |
| 08:12.39 | bodq | karsten: a second |
| 08:13.11 | Curtman | karsten: Yeah.. And it's my dad's box that I'm ssh'd into too, so that would be very bad if I rebooted it without knowing it would come back up. |
| 08:13.16 | bodq | karsten: there isn't |
| 08:13.39 | bodq | karsten: but instead I've found a user guide's appendix a :) |
| 08:13.44 | bodq | karsten: must check it |
| 08:13.45 | karsten | Curtman: Does the file /usr/share/debconf/confmodule exist and contain a definition of db_stop? |
| 08:14.16 | karsten | bodq: Ooookay.... |
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| 08:14.39 | bodq | karsten: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ap-ami.en.html it's pretty much similar but seemingly outdated |
| 08:14.47 | karsten | bodq: OK. autoinstall is a Debian package. |
| 08:14.52 | Curtman | karsten: Yeah.. Right at the bottom it contains one line that says "echo STOP >&3" |
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| 08:15.39 | karsten | Curtman: How many lines in /usr/share/debconf/confmodule ? |
| 08:15.40 | Curtman | karsten: This is sid though too, incase I failed to mention that. |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | Curtman: OK. |
| 08:16.11 | Curtman | karsten: 74 lines |
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| 08:16.48 | karsten | Curtman: OK, that checks. 'wc' and md5sum? |
| 08:17.14 | bodq | autoinstall has been removed from Debian because it has been |
| 08:17.14 | bodq | superseded by the new debian-installer. |
| 08:17.15 | bodq | yay! |
| 08:17.22 | bodq | how cool |
| 08:17.24 | bodq | :( |
| 08:17.32 | ACiDC0re | good morning |
| 08:17.34 | karsten | bodq: Heh. |
| 08:17.40 | Curtman | karsten: What do you mean? |
| 08:17.48 | ACiDC0re | im thinking about .... |
| 08:17.49 | karsten | ACiDC0re: The only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 08:18.00 | karsten | Curtman: echo "$( wc /usr/share/debconf/confmodule ) $( md5sum /usr/share/debconf/confmodule )" |
| 08:18.05 | karsten | Curtman: Paste output. |
| 08:18.08 | ACiDC0re | if i shall reinstall debian sarge if its a stable release |
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| 08:18.31 | Curtman | karsten: 74 356 2144 /usr/share/debconf/confmodule eebf78034add705c8ea9946724a7f675 /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
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| 08:18.54 | karsten | Curtman: Check. |
| 08:18.57 | bodq | just for the sake of making it smaller |
| 08:19.01 | ACiDC0re | bodq: lets drive to town and hit random people *g* |
| 08:20.40 | karsten | Curtman: You use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 08:20.50 | Curtman | karsten: apt-get upgrade. |
| 08:21.00 | karsten | ACiDC0re: Leave the random people alone. It's the _arbitrary_ people who are the cause of our problem. |
| 08:21.14 | karsten | Curtman: Run: apt-get update; apt-get install --reinstall ifupdown |
| 08:21.24 | karsten | Curtman: I suspect you've got a borked postinst. |
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| 08:21.44 | karsten | Curtman: ...Mine runs 162 lines, you have an error at 172. I'm testing/unstable. You're sid, right? |
| 08:21.51 | Curtman | I think it is that /etc/network/run that seems to be the problem... Right now it is a dead symlink to /dev/shm/network |
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| 08:22.15 | Curtman | karsten: Yeah, but it hasn't been upgraded in a month.. Feb 10th seems to be the last one. |
| 08:22.35 | karsten | Curtman: Hrm... |
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| 08:23.41 | karsten | Curtman: Try: mount tmpfs |
| 08:24.02 | karsten | Curtman: ... You should have tmpfs mounted at /dev/shm. You don't. I'm not sure where that happens. |
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| 08:24.29 | Curtman | karsten: I just deleted /etc/network/run, and did 'dpkg --configure -a'. It said "mkdir: created directory `/dev/shm/network'" and completed successfully.. I think I got it now. |
| 08:24.51 | karsten | Curtman: Happens in /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh, oddly enough. |
| 08:24.54 | Curtman | karsten: mount shows: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 08:25.02 | karsten | Curtman: ...or /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 08:25.12 | karsten | Curtman: What kernel? |
| 08:25.14 | karsten | Curtman: Hrm. |
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| 08:25.29 | Curtman | karsten: 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
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| 08:26.39 | karsten | Curtman: 2.6.7-1-686 |
| 08:26.43 | karsten | Curtman: Hrm. |
| 08:26.53 | karsten | Curtman: What's in /dev/shm? |
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| 08:27.25 | Curtman | karsten: These old pentium's don't seem to like 2.6 all that much in my experience.. There's nothing in /dev/shm at all except an empty 'network' dir. |
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| 08:28.03 | Curtman | karsten: Nothing runs on this box normally.. It's just a NAT for my dad and sisters. |
| 08:28.05 | karsten | Curtman: Oh wait, you recreated the link. |
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| 08:28.27 | crackhead | hello everyone |
| 08:28.29 | karsten | Curtman: Try 'dpkg --configure -a' or whatever it is.... |
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| 08:28.34 | karsten | Curtman: Sec on that. |
| 08:28.50 | Curtman | karsten: Yeah, its done.. It seems to be working now. |
| 08:28.52 | karsten | Curtman: dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:29.02 | karsten | Curtman: Gotchya. |
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| 08:29.11 | karsten | Curtman: The fix was what then? |
| 08:29.17 | robink | How do I get the forward/back buttons on my mouse to do something in Firefox? |
| 08:29.23 | niemand | When I Invoke startx on tty$ it spits out his warnings to the tty$ that I invoked it from. Is it possible that I let it log it to another file? or to .xsesseion-errors or something? |
| 08:29.28 | Curtman | karsten: I'm just doing a dist-upgrade to do the last 6 packages that were held back. I just rm'd /etc/network/run. |
| 08:29.43 | karsten | Curtman: ...and my P-200 is running a 2.4.18 myself. |
| 08:29.57 | karsten | Curtman: P4 is 2.6.x |
| 08:30.04 | cottus | hello all, how do you fire up the xfreeconfig? |
| 08:30.19 | niemand | cottus: you don't do that? |
| 08:30.25 | karsten | cottus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:30.37 | Curtman | karsten: I can't believe how long these things run when I do so little maintenance on them. |
| 08:30.38 | niemand | :) |
| 08:30.46 | crackhead | big problem today....I've been testing/learning about software raid. I have two drives in raid1..and I'm using grub. If I remove the drive hda...I can't boot the system. This problem isn't there if I remove hdb. Why? |
| 08:31.02 | karsten | Curtman: Yeah. It's kinda nice. But makes you feel unnecessary sometimes ;-) |
| 08:31.08 | cottus | niemand> ? |
| 08:31.13 | cottus | thanks karsten |
| 08:31.17 | niemand | what karsten said |
| 08:31.19 | karsten | crackhead: Prolly your MBR is on /dev/hda |
| 08:31.34 | sundial | crack - also what is in your bios? |
| 08:31.39 | Curtman | karsten: Hahah yeah. I switched my dad's box to Linux a while back.. I was just complaining to him that he never calls anymore. Hehe |
| 08:31.41 | crackhead | karsten :yeah...that's what I was thinking |
| 08:31.53 | karsten | Curtman: Heh. |
| 08:31.54 | crackhead | well...I've tried to change the bios...but no luck |
| 08:32.08 | aeolist | i am trying to compile a kernel, and i get a drivers/block/cloop.c missing error |
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| 08:32.22 | sundial | i'll bet your bios is pointing to the mbr on /dev/hda |
| 08:32.26 | karsten | crackhead: Test that creating a GRUB floppy and booting with hda unplugged. If it works, you've got your answer ;-) |
| 08:32.28 | crackhead | ...so if hda fails...how do i boot up hdb. They should be mirrored |
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| 08:32.52 | Curtman | karsten: Thanks for your help btw.. |
| 08:32.54 | karsten | crackhead: boot floppy |
| 08:33.01 | karsten | Curtman: NP |
| 08:33.24 | crackhead | karsten : how could I fix that? I already plan on reinstalling sarge |
| 08:33.44 | sundial | karsten - he may not be your average crackhead and he could have a boot cd or dvd |
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| 08:34.12 | crackhead | sorry peeps...I'm a noob :) |
| 08:34.14 | arestheimpaler | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.51 | sundial | see if changing the boot drive in your bios does anything |
| 08:34.54 | arestheimpaler | HaKim, is doing spam pm |
| 08:34.56 | arestheimpaler | :@ |
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| 08:37.55 | crackhead | so will I always have to use a boot floppy? |
| 08:37.57 | karsten | crackhead: There are GRUB docs telling you how to create a boot floppy. Or google for 'em. |
| 08:38.05 | cottus | how do i start X without resorting to like gdm or something. |
| 08:38.11 | crackhead | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRecoveryAndBootDisk.html#GRUB |
| 08:38.21 | Harlin | cottus: turn runlevel to 3 |
| 08:38.30 | Harlin | cottus, do 'startx' |
| 08:38.41 | Harlin | cottus, bob's your uncle |
| 08:38.50 | cottus | Harlin> i dont have startx |
| 08:38.51 | crackhead | ...seems like a good site...but I don't have a fd...only cd....any suggestions on how to create bootable cd |
| 08:39.03 | Harlin | cottus, you have X installed? |
| 08:39.08 | Harlin | Xorg |
| 08:39.11 | Harlin | XFree |
| 08:39.13 | Harlin | whatever |
| 08:39.23 | cottus | just install free86-common and xserver-xfree86 |
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| 08:39.37 | Harlin | cottus, then you have 'startx' |
| 08:39.42 | cottus | nope |
| 08:39.58 | Harlin | ok then you dont |
| 08:40.15 | crackhead | ....aaah..just found the grub manual :) |
| 08:40.37 | cottus | does apt have the search function similar to mandrake's urpmq or urpmf? |
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| 08:40.53 | karsten | crackhead: You'll need a boot floppy if your mbr (hda) is hosed. Otherwise not. |
| 08:41.00 | sundial | crack - lilo allows a lot of flexibility - you can choose the drive to boot from at boot up |
| 08:41.01 | karsten | crackhead: but a BF is part of your raid failure recovery kit. |
| 08:41.02 | crackhead | ....so back to my original question: is there a way to avoid the boot disk and have /boot mirrored on both drives |
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| 08:41.17 | crackhead | hmmmmmmm |
| 08:41.20 | sundial | crackhead - yes with lilo |
| 08:41.37 | crackhead | sundial :yes to what? |
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| 08:42.07 | sundial | what word appears after the 'yes with' |
| 08:42.28 | crackhead | yes...I can avoid the boot disk if I use lilo? |
| 08:42.29 | sundial | you already have /boot mirrored on both drives |
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| 08:42.56 | crackhead | hmmm...oops sorry...I meant the MDR |
| 08:42.57 | james | i've just handrolled a kernel and during kernel boot the screen goes blank and the cursor blink ... i can't see anything going on and its within the first second of the kernel run .. anyone know anything about similar issues |
| 08:43.01 | takatumi | cottus: man apt-cache? |
| 08:43.02 | james | ? |
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| 08:43.23 | takatumi | james: ati card? |
| 08:43.28 | james | takatumi: yes |
| 08:43.51 | cottus | ah, apt-cache |
| 08:43.52 | cottus | thanks |
| 08:43.53 | crackhead | ...or will mirroring the mdr not make sense |
| 08:43.54 | takatumi | james: try appending vga=791 or vga-792 in your bootloader |
| 08:44.17 | takatumi | *vga=792 |
| 08:44.24 | james | takatumi: okay will do |
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| 08:45.39 | sundial | use lilo to 'really mirror' both drives with mbr on both drives - and construct a proper entry in /etc/lilo.conf to go to which drive you want or in the alternative after putting the lilo mbr on both drives see if your bios will boot from either drive |
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| 08:48.16 | crackhead | sundial : is there any documentation on that? and can grub do the same? |
| 08:48.44 | sundial | man lilo - i don't like grub - but it might/must be possible to do with grub |
| 08:49.08 | sundial | ican boot from from a usb smartcard with lilo |
| 08:49.20 | sundial | on the asus k8v-x board |
| 08:50.23 | crackhead | isn't that similar to having a grub boot disk? |
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| 08:51.13 | sundial | I don't know - all I can think of is this is 2005 why still use floppies? |
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| 08:52.11 | cottus | not a great idea Rucas |
| 08:52.29 | Curtman | Yeah! Down with floppies! :) |
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| 08:54.24 | james | im having problems after a handroll kernel ... the kernel partially boots then goes to a blank screen with a cursor at the bottom blinking, anyone had similar issues? |
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| 08:54.36 | jak | hello folks. does anyone of you know hot to setup wpasupplicant? i think i have a correct conf-file and everything... any expieriences? |
| 08:54.54 | Rucas | i removed exim4 from my system and then deleted /etc/exim4, but now when i try to reinstall it and apt-get tries to install exim4-config, i get this: Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting |
| 08:55.24 | sundial | james - what did you change in your kernel from the one that booted to this one? |
| 08:55.28 | jak | Rucas: do you want to delete exim completely? (including ALL config files)? |
| 08:55.41 | Rucas | jak: i'd actually like to reinstall it |
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| 08:55.47 | james | sundial: debian install came with 2.6.8 and im installing 2.6.8 |
| 08:55.49 | Rucas | jak: i had removed it to try out couries |
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| 08:55.54 | Rucas | jak: i had removed it to try out courier |
| 08:56.02 | Rucas | with esmtpd |
| 08:56.03 | jak | Rucas: ok, do the following: |
| 08:56.05 | fairway | when join this channel I got this: <HaKim> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 08:56.11 | fairway | joining |
| 08:56.17 | jak | Rucas: dpkg --purge exim4 |
| 08:56.24 | Rucas | cool |
| 08:56.31 | jak | CAREFUL! |
| 08:56.39 | jak | you will remove all exim4 config files! |
| 08:56.53 | james | anyone had any experience getting madwifi working your own working kernel |
| 08:56.57 | sundial | james - okay - but whatever you changed in your hand rolling attempt - didn't work out - so give it another shot |
| 08:56.58 | james | ? |
| 08:57.03 | jak | james: yes, i do |
| 08:57.11 | jak | james: (madwifi) |
| 08:57.37 | jak | james: what do you need? wep? |
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| 08:57.42 | takatumi | james: tried appending vga=xxx? |
| 08:57.45 | james | sundial: i have many times ... i had the same issue with gentoo ... i even copied their installer kernel(cause it worked) and it didn't work on my install |
| 08:57.48 | james | takatumi: yes |
| 08:58.00 | james | jdk really? ... is it possible? |
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| 08:58.38 | stuart_ | hhHaKim http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:58.51 | stuart_ | thats what i get when i join |
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| 08:59.03 | fairway | yes |
| 08:59.03 | sundial | did you do 'make oldconfig' and see if it compiles and works without any changes - btw why not get the latest kernel if you are gonna go through the learning process |
| 08:59.03 | stuart_ | ignore the first two hh's |
| 08:59.14 | cottus | stuart_> yep |
| 08:59.16 | james | takatumi: i don't doubt that it could be an ati issue though |
| 08:59.18 | fairway | ban this l0ser |
| 08:59.27 | sundial | james - maybe you have the wrong cpu enabled etc |
| 08:59.54 | takatumi | james: I have a strong hunch it is, similar issue here, framebuffer related, works fine with vga=791 or 792. |
| 09:00.08 | jak | james: did you enable framebuffer? |
| 09:00.12 | stuartSan | compiling.. mm that reminds me |
| 09:00.33 | stuartSan | well i have sound video nvidia and network set-up, so today i wanna learn about compiling, whats the process again? ./configure then make install? |
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| 09:01.14 | james | jak: in the kernel options .. no ... we've tried kernel compile with and without the frame buffer |
| 09:01.31 | jak | james: what is the last line you see? |
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| 09:02.17 | sundial | james - did you make sure you can compile an unchanged kernel - ie compile the 'make oldconfig' |
| 09:02.57 | crackhead | how can I see all the drives on the system...even the ones that are not mounted? |
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| 09:03.18 | sundial | fdisk |
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| 09:03.32 | cottus | fdisk -l /dev/whatever |
| 09:03.32 | benjamindees | ls /proc/ide |
| 09:03.57 | james | sundial: was just thinking about doing that |
| 09:04.03 | james | jak: unknown |
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| 09:04.36 | sundial | james - don;t forget |
| 09:04.41 | sundial | make mrproper |
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| 09:05.12 | nmoore | ops: HaKim is sending unsolicited porn messages |
| 09:05.36 | james | sundial: ok |
| 09:05.45 | oramirez | nmoore, I think he can't make that... or he can? |
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| 09:07.29 | nmoore | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.33 | BXinary-au | HaKim, stop advertizing porn to me!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:08.17 | aeolist | it's quality porn, he assured me |
| 09:08.45 | fairway | yes you should check it out |
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| 09:08.56 | BXinary-au | maybe you should gfy |
| 09:09.09 | DemisM | how can I get debian to boot up in xwindows instead of console? |
| 09:09.20 | BXinary-au | advertizing porn to someone when they just come in a room is illegal |
| 09:09.25 | aeolist | by changing the runlevel |
| 09:09.37 | sundial | demis is there is an /etc/init on your machine? |
| 09:09.38 | DemisM | is it 3 on debian also? |
| 09:09.41 | nmoore | i amended /etc/hdparm.conf to turn on DMA for /dev/cdrom, however i get a boot time message from /etc/init.d/hdparm that /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, what should i do? |
| 09:09.45 | BXinary-au | how do you know how old i am? HaKim ? |
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| 09:09.59 | BXinary-au | plus i didn't talk to you |
| 09:10.05 | sundial | nmore - try /dev/hdc or what ever |
| 09:10.07 | stuartSan | nmoore, i might be wrong but cdrom in my system is /cdrom |
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| 09:10.31 | fairway | geeks usually like pron |
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| 09:10.38 | aeolist | bxinary-au, it is probably a bot |
| 09:10.41 | DemisM | ok what runlevel would I change it too? |
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| 09:10.46 | aeolist | which needs to be banned |
| 09:10.51 | nmoore | stuartSan: i have the same, but it's maybe just a mount point, i'll just use /dev/hdc |
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| 09:11.06 | stuartSan | nmoore, and i was abuot to recommend that lol |
| 09:11.19 | fairway | I wonder why he hasn't got banned yet. |
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| 09:11.35 | aeolist | because it's quality pron :P |
| 09:11.36 | stuartSan | ops are at work or something i guess |
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| 09:11.40 | sundial | he must be the 'porn pusher' for the ops |
| 09:11.51 | aeolist | i wouldnt really know, didnt follow the link |
| 09:11.54 | james | did someone in here say that they could setup madwifi without a handroll kernel |
| 09:11.57 | james | ? |
| 09:12.07 | DemisM | When I load xwindows as root and I Plug in a usb device it automatically recognizes it, but when I load xwindows as a normal user and plug my usb device it doesn't recognize it, any ideas how I can get my usb device to be mounted while I'm a normal user? |
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| 09:12.28 | BXinary-au | well that's why i said something , cos that kind of bot is not welcome in a public channel |
| 09:12.30 | stuartSan | anyone know why my computer won't bootup with 2.6.8-686 kernel images? it gives a kernel panic, tried to terminate init |
| 09:13.36 | sundial | Demis - change the permissions on the device, use sudo or add the user to the usb device group |
| 09:14.21 | DemisM | sundial, how do I add the user to the usb device group? |
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| 09:14.30 | dfd | hello |
| 09:14.57 | dfd | hakim don't spam please.. |
| 09:15.11 | BXinary-au | it's a bot |
| 09:15.13 | sundial | you can use vi etc on /etc/group or shadow group file |
| 09:15.14 | fairway | it's quality pr0n :P |
| 09:15.24 | BXinary-au | can anyone take it down? |
| 09:15.25 | dfd | i see.. he's spamming porn sites.. |
| 09:15.30 | dfd | s/he/it/ |
| 09:15.34 | BXinary-au | fairway, |
| 09:15.49 | aeolist | we need an operator... |
| 09:15.50 | aeolist | d'oh |
| 09:16.12 | BXinary-au | fairway, what are you upto? |
| 09:16.18 | Netcraft | someone said it on #freenode ? |
| 09:16.18 | dfd | anyway.. how can i find out which package contain a file? |
| 09:16.22 | BXinary-au | have you been to it? |
| 09:16.24 | nmoore | maybe this is tempting fate, but yesterday a normal used temporarily turned into an operator to kick someone |
| 09:16.33 | fairway | BXinary-au: yes but it doesn't work |
| 09:16.36 | nmoore | used->user |
| 09:16.43 | sundial | nmoore - he was undercover |
| 09:16.56 | BXinary-au | what do ya mean? , fairway |
| 09:17.07 | fairway | hakim's site doesn't work |
| 09:17.08 | james | can anyone get madwifi working without rolling your own kernel |
| 09:17.14 | fairway | maybe it's a dialer |
| 09:17.14 | BXinary-au | oh ok |
| 09:17.21 | nmoore | sundial: so that's not the norm? |
| 09:17.26 | benjamindees | nmoore, they're everywhere... waiting |
| 09:17.33 | dfd | is there an option to apt-cache to search a file in packages? |
| 09:17.37 | fairway | but would be useless to debian users |
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| 09:17.46 | jak | dfd: dpkg -L <package> |
| 09:17.54 | Harlin | man, debian does everything for you... why does eveyone say its so hard to install? |
| 09:18.12 | sundial | everyone on the list but you and hakim are undercover ops |
| 09:18.16 | jak | james: dod you compile you kernel now? |
| 09:18.21 | dfd | I don't know the package.. but I need a file.. so I would like to know which one has that file.. |
| 09:18.35 | nmoore | sundial: i'm definitely going to shut up |
| 09:19.03 | sundial | don't do that - you got good questions |
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| 09:20.24 | sundial | nmoore - i just secret word that even hakkim is an undercover op now - like those drunk undercover cop decoys you see on 'COPS' |
| 09:21.09 | nmoore | sundial: it's a shame that more unexpected people aren't ops, it might stop people being rude to eac other |
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| 09:21.58 | zzyber | can someone explain or give direction where to read more about locales. Im going crazy. For more than a year i have had problems with files and invalid unicode, applications not showing my language (swedish) and so on. Whats the diffrent between utf-8 and iso-8859-1 and why is ubuntu using utf-8 when its not "compatible". What do ms windows use? Never had a problem with locales in windows |
| 09:22.18 | w3seek | can someone please ban HaKim? it's a stupid spam bot |
| 09:22.21 | bob2 | computers know about numbers |
| 09:22.29 | bob2 | a character set is a mapping of characters to numbers |
| 09:22.38 | BXinary-au | how about we all paste a message to hi ?: |
| 09:22.47 | bob2 | unicode is a character set that includes basically all characters from all languages |
| 09:22.55 | bob2 | utf-8 is a represntation of unicode |
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| 09:23.41 | benjamindees | HaKim -> porn spammer |
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| 09:24.15 | sundial | nmoore - i don't know - i got turrettes syndrome - i don't know why other people are rude |
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| 09:25.05 | bob2 | sundial: please stop being useless |
| 09:25.52 | sundial | and saying 'computers know about numbers' is one grand usefull statement |
| 09:25.59 | bob2 | indeed |
| 09:26.02 | bob2 | however, please shut up |
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| 09:26.13 | zzyber | bob2, but hmm, should i use utf-8 or iso-8859-15? And if im not wrong there seems to be a mapping of utf8 to iso-8859-1 if i do cat /etc/locale.alias | grep swedish |
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| 09:26.14 | sundial | you one of them undercover bullies> |
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| 09:26.42 | bob2 | zzyber: utf-8 if software supports it |
| 09:26.45 | bob2 | which sarge does not |
| 09:27.06 | bob2 | all characters in iso-8859-1 are in utf-8 |
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| 09:28.24 | zzyber | bob2, i really try using utf-8 and ubuntu has it by default but often there is a file issue when downloading files named with swedish characters and thats the only problem i have |
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| 09:28.56 | dfd | can someone please tell me which package does contain the file jconfig.h? |
| 09:29.10 | Harlin | damn |
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| 09:29.17 | Harlin | debian works on vmware outta da box |
| 09:29.17 | bob2 | zzyber: ok |
| 09:29.19 | Harlin | !!!!! |
| 09:29.19 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 09:29.20 | zzyber | bob2, if i download a file with swedish characters i get invalid unicode i the filename |
| 09:29.21 | Harlin | :) |
| 09:29.25 | bob2 | zzyber: please file a bug on ubuntu then |
| 09:29.39 | bob2 | dfd: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:29.58 | Harlin | debian i will erect a statue in your honor!!! oh great one!!! |
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| 09:30.30 | dfd | bob2: thanks |
| 09:31.04 | zzyber | bob2, its the same in all distros i have tried when they use utf8. Ubuntu, Gentoo,Debian, Fedora |
| 09:31.16 | OSM|Apple | Can someone please help me with an installation issue on an old P90? |
| 09:31.19 | bob2 | zzyber: ok then |
| 09:31.24 | bob2 | OSM|Apple: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 09:32.03 | OSM|Apple | bob2: heh point taken |
| 09:33.36 | yebian | why cant I apt-get j2re1.4 |
| 09:34.00 | bob2 | because sun is evil and stupid and made java non-free |
| 09:34.03 | bob2 | take it up with them |
| 09:34.45 | OSM|Apple | Im trying for my first install of linux ever ( Debian came highly recomended ). Im installing on an older p90 and when the installer attempts to install the vesafb.o module, i get the following error: Segmentation fault info: try to enable linux framebuffer using /lib/midules/1.4.20-1-386/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.o modprobe: failed to load module vesafb |
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| 09:35.11 | OSM|Apple | then the installer hangs |
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| 09:35.34 | bob2 | I assume that was a type and you mean "modules/2.4.20", which means it's not sarge |
| 09:35.40 | bob2 | try using a recent sarge install disk |
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| 09:36.08 | OSM|Apple | bob2: thanks ill download a new one and try |
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| 09:36.22 | bob2 | OSM|Apple: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 09:36.36 | raz0 | Does /proc really take up space, or is it only virtual? If I check with du it says 515MB, but I take that is only virtual? |
| 09:37.03 | bob2 | virtual |
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| 09:37.05 | bob2 | ignore it |
| 09:37.08 | superCow007 | can someone help me with building a package from source? I have some questions, such as the difference between using dpkg-buildtool and just running ./configure with make on official debian sources.. |
| 09:37.15 | raz0 | bob2, Okay, thank you. |
| 09:37.26 | bob2 | superCow007: you mean dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:37.32 | superCow007 | yes, I did |
| 09:37.43 | bob2 | superCow007: it runs a script (debian/rules) which explains how to build the software, then it produces a .deb of it |
| 09:37.46 | absence | what could be wrong when disconnecting a usb audio device kills the keyboard? i tried running /etc/init.d/hotplug restart using the mouse and gnome's character map, but it just hung when trying to stop usb |
| 09:37.54 | bob2 | it usually calls ./configure and make, amongst other things |
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| 09:38.18 | superCow007 | ahh.. nice.. so I can change options sent to ./configure there |
| 09:38.25 | bob2 | yes |
| 09:38.33 | OSM|Apple | bob2: heh i need the i386 version for an intel based system right? |
| 09:38.40 | bob2 | OSM|Apple: yup |
| 09:38.48 | OSM|Apple | bob2: thanks |
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| 09:39.23 | superCow007 | so what say what is the difference between using apt-get build versus downloading the source and doing a ./configure and make manually? |
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| 09:39.34 | superCow007 | downloading the source from a debian repository of course |
| 09:39.57 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:40.02 | bob2 | they do entirely differwnt things |
| 09:40.19 | bob2 | you can see for yourself what the difference is |
| 09:40.21 | bob2 | look in debian/rules |
| 09:40.29 | bob2 | note that, amongst other things, it calls ./configure |
| 09:40.34 | superCow007 | ok.. any extra stuff gets done there |
| 09:40.38 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:40.38 | bob2 | no |
| 09:40.41 | bob2 | it's *everything* |
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| 09:40.48 | bob2 | it's a recipe for how to build the software |
| 09:40.57 | bob2 | then after that, dpkg-buildpackage slurps the result into a .deb |
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| 09:41.07 | bob2 | if you run "make" yourself, you do't get a .deb |
| 09:41.19 | yebian | noce |
| 09:41.26 | yebian | nice |
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| 09:41.57 | bob2 | sorry if that sounded rude, I'm just not sure which bit is confusing you |
| 09:42.06 | superCow007 | so I could run make and make install.. and it should install.. but some debian specific stuff wouldn't get done, such as dependency tracking? |
| 09:42.23 | benjamindees | and such as being able to uninstall it |
| 09:42.28 | bob2 | you're mixing up the layers |
| 09:42.30 | superCow007 | that is why I am better using a .deb.. |
| 09:42.40 | yebian | does unstable have xorg? |
| 09:42.44 | bob2 | yebian: /topic |
| 09:42.55 | yebian | huh? |
| 09:43.04 | omry | when ever I try to connect to my other machine with krdc, the other machine X server starts using all the CPU, and connecting takes forever (minutes). any idea how to fix it? |
| 09:43.19 | bob2 | yebian: that's my polite way of saying "read the channel topic before asking silly questions" |
| 09:43.30 | yebian | theres a topic? |
| 09:43.34 | bob2 | lord |
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| 09:43.56 | yebian | I voted is that off topic? |
| 09:44.04 | bob2 | stop it |
| 09:44.08 | bob2 | or go away |
| 09:44.08 | yebian | ok |
| 09:44.13 | bob2 | there's enough idiocy in here already |
| 09:44.52 | OSM | bob2: can you explain to me why there are two versions of the kernel... 2.24.xxx adn 2.26.xx ( sorry im a complete noob with linux ) |
| 09:44.58 | yebian | ask me for help it says |
| 09:45.06 | OSM | and i guess which one i shoudl use |
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| 09:45.21 | yebian | I got the ubuntu hoary repository to give ti to me. |
| 09:45.27 | bob2 | yebian: please go away |
| 09:45.30 | yebian | It worked BUT |
| 09:45.32 | bob2 | I don't care if you're stupid or annoying |
| 09:45.40 | nagual | hehe |
| 09:45.43 | bob2 | OSM: 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 09:45.44 | yebian | No I seriously got xorg to work. |
| 09:45.51 | bob2 | yebian: that's awesome, good for you |
| 09:45.55 | Smeven | I keep getting mount: RPC: Program not registered..... |
| 09:45.56 | OSM | err ya my bad |
| 09:46.03 | bob2 | Smeven: you're using ubuntu? |
| 09:46.06 | Smeven | yes |
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| 09:46.28 | bob2 | Smeven: then #ubuntu |
| 09:46.34 | yebian | bob2 did anybody ever tell you you're a prick. |
| 09:46.36 | Smeven | no one would answer |
| 09:46.36 | bob2 | and I know you asked there and no one answered |
| 09:46.45 | bob2 | Smeven: then wait, or ask on the user list |
| 09:46.46 | bob2 | yebian: thanks! |
| 09:47.01 | Smeven | bob2: im good, ill stay and ask here |
| 09:47.07 | Smeven | Anyone> |
| 09:47.08 | bob2 | Smeven: no, you won't |
| 09:47.25 | Smeven | Ok, Im using debian. |
| 09:47.25 | pngwn | geezus...it's sUNDAY |
| 09:47.31 | bob2 | Smeven: stop lying |
| 09:47.35 | bob2 | that's so amazingly fucking annoying |
| 09:47.40 | OSM | :( |
| 09:47.44 | bob2 | OSM: they're different major releases of the kernel (the, er, core of linux and the only thing actually called "linux")...2.4 still is better for some people (more stable in some cases, supports some hardware 2.4 doesn't. |
| 09:47.57 | bob2 | OSM: in general, tho, 2.6 is the way to go...unless it doesn't work ;) |
| 09:47.58 | nagual | haha |
| 09:48.10 | OSM | bob2: thanks, you the man! |
| 09:48.11 | Smeven | I have /etc/exports configured, and I have hosts.allow setup, rpcinfo -p is showing the correct info for the remote host |
| 09:48.21 | Smeven | and exportfs shows the the share being exported |
| 09:48.38 | bob2 | Smeven: a) don't be so obnoxious, b) make sure you have portmap installed |
| 09:48.55 | Smeven | bob2: seriously, you arent any help, get a job, and stop talking |
| 09:48.59 | Smeven | We would all love it. |
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| 09:49.16 | OSM | LOL |
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| 09:50.04 | Phated | Aww, come on, bob2, banninate! |
| 09:50.51 | ghent | hello, i just installed a new debian sarge on top of a LVM partition which works fine. i now need to make a new kernel but it fails finding my lvm root. i guess i need to make an initrd but i don't know what to put on it |
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| 09:51.05 | Smeven | seriously bob2, totally unneccessary |
| 09:51.26 | bob2 | then a) don't be obnoxious, b) go back to #ubuntu and c) don't be abusive |
| 09:51.40 | yebian | you're a towel |
| 09:51.54 | bob2 | yebian: please leave, thanks |
| 09:52.01 | yebian | no bob |
| 09:52.02 | bob2 | I'm sorry you find me so offensive |
| 09:52.07 | yebian | Im not going to leave. |
| 09:52.10 | bob2 | then shut up |
| 09:52.12 | bob2 | you can choose |
| 09:52.19 | aeolist | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.25 | yebian | jesus christ what the hell is the matter with you |
| 09:52.42 | bob2 | aeolist: go to the first, hit ds/[<enter> |
| 09:52.44 | yebian | I was just screwing around a bit and it appears you want my head on a platter. |
| 09:52.51 | Smeven | yebian: do you know where to file a complaint? |
| 09:52.54 | bob2 | aeolist: er, maybe no s, I forget |
| 09:52.56 | bob2 | lord |
| 09:52.58 | yebian | you're seriously pissed huh? |
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| 09:55.09 | Smeven | walski: curious? |
| 09:55.18 | OSM | yebian: i hate to say this... but this doesnt seem like the place for your shenanigans... please let bob2 help people... |
| 09:55.33 | walski | Smeven, sorry |
| 09:55.36 | Smeven | its ok |
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| 09:55.40 | aeolist | bob2 didnt work |
| 09:55.42 | aeolist | :/ |
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| 09:55.49 | drasko_ | hi all |
| 09:56.18 | stuartSan | doh whats the command to see how much HD space i have agai |
| 09:56.28 | bob2 | aeolist: it worked for me |
| 09:56.30 | bob2 | stuartSan: df -h |
| 09:56.32 | yebian | df -h |
| 09:56.34 | stuartSan | k thanks. |
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| 09:56.39 | bob2 | aeolist: on the [, hit d/]<enter> |
| 09:57.00 | drasko_ | what is supposed to be the difference between jdk1.5 and jsdk1.5? On Sun's site I only can find jdk... But somewhwre I read that I am supposed to install jsdk |
| 09:57.00 | aeolist | cool |
| 09:57.03 | aeolist | now for the whole text! |
| 09:57.35 | stuartSan | eh i'm sure the partition manager gave me 400mb's of swap, and it doens's how though |
| 09:57.46 | stuartSan | doesn't show* wtf typos |
| 09:57.51 | bob2 | stuartSan: swap isn't mounted and thus isn't shown by du |
| 09:57.59 | bob2 | stuartSan: 'swapon -s' is what you want |
| 09:58.11 | benjamindees | drasko_, I don't think there's a difference, they change the names all the time |
| 09:58.33 | stuartSan | oh kays thanks |
| 09:58.55 | stuartSan | swapon command not found |
| 09:59.05 | bob2 | stuartSan: /sbin/swapon -s |
| 09:59.22 | stuartSan | there it is. thanks. |
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| 09:59.38 | superCow007 | mango chutney |
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| 10:00.15 | benjamindees | "Q is half of the square root of the number of current Developers. K is Q or 5, whichever is the smaller." |
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| 10:01.14 | drasko_ | benjamindees, thanks |
| 10:01.15 | benjamindees | interesting, never read the constitution before |
| 10:01.29 | BXinary-au | help |
| 10:01.32 | dfd | cya |
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| 10:01.37 | stuartSan | is there a site with a list of major games supported by linux |
| 10:01.47 | bob2 | BXinary-au: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 10:01.51 | kaplanfx | how do I get the kde initial options screen to run again? |
| 10:02.03 | nagual | stuartSan: cedega |
| 10:02.22 | bob2 | kaplanfx: delete your .kde dir |
| 10:02.31 | bob2 | kaplanfx: if you just want want to change some options, use the control panel |
| 10:02.36 | stuartSan | cedega is kinda like an emulator, no? |
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| 10:02.51 | BXinary-au | what does that mean bob2 >? |
| 10:02.57 | kaplanfx | bob2: I want the selector thing again, so I can change the behavior from kde default to windows |
| 10:03.00 | bob2 | BXinary-au: that if you want help, ask a question |
| 10:03.15 | BXinary-au | is it a bot? |
| 10:03.18 | bob2 | kaplanfx: it's presumably some program in kde-base or so, but it will also probably trash a lot of settings |
| 10:03.24 | BXinary-au | like a google bot? |
| 10:03.30 | kaplanfx | bob2: ok, thanks |
| 10:03.49 | bob2 | kaplanfx: #debian-kde might know |
| 10:03.55 | bob2 | BXinary-au: if you have a question, ask it |
| 10:04.03 | bob2 | don't just say "help" every now and then |
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| 10:05.05 | BXinary-au | i don't know how that happened |
| 10:05.26 | stuartSan | cedega looks scary |
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| 10:05.27 | BXinary-au | i was trying "/dmsg in another toom |
| 10:05.27 | BXinary-au | seems like it came in here |
| 10:05.37 | BXinary-au | i jusyt don't know the commands |
| 10:05.45 | BXinary-au | i'd like to know how to use the bots |
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| 10:06.41 | superCow007 | brougham |
| 10:07.02 | BXinary-au | what is dpkg? |
| 10:07.04 | stuartSan | BXinary-au, if there's a technical term you don't understand, /msg dpkg the-word-here for info, most of the time the bot will give you helpful knowledge |
| 10:07.16 | BXinary-au | ok |
| 10:07.17 | BXinary-au | thanks |
| 10:07.25 | stuartSan | dpkg, is a nickname of a bot in this channel. or also a package manager in linux |
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| 10:07.33 | BXinary-au | ok |
| 10:07.57 | BXinary-au | i knew that, it's like dselect :) |
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| 10:08.16 | BXinary-au | debian package |
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| 10:12.05 | BXinary-au | what would these commands be for? |
| 10:12.10 | BXinary-au | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.10 | BXinary-au | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.10 | BXinary-au | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.10 | BXinary-au | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.10 | BXinary-au | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.16 | stuartSan | idiot |
| 10:12.21 | Harlin | if i wanted to install xchat on debian, how would i do that with dpkg? |
| 10:12.32 | stuartSan | Harlin, why not use apt |
| 10:12.33 | Harlin | i see dpkg -i PNAME |
| 10:12.38 | Harlin | hmm |
| 10:12.42 | Harlin | how would i do it with apt? |
| 10:12.43 | Harlin | :D |
| 10:12.48 | stuartSan | Harlin, apt-get install xchat |
| 10:12.49 | stuartSan | done |
| 10:13.12 | stuartSan | Harlin, remember to have online sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list before doing so though |
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| 10:14.23 | leikh | i've just installed woody on my old mr lappy. the sad thing is that when i now boot mr crappy, the xserver automatically loads, and the screen just flickers. the last thing i see is a command line telling that xdm starts. how can i interupt this process so that i can be able to log in and fix the xserver config? |
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| 10:15.37 | kenboo | ctl-alt-f1 |
| 10:15.42 | kenboo | and kill xdm |
| 10:15.46 | benjamindees | leikh, it should automatically be stopped after a minute or so |
| 10:15.53 | kenboo | uh |
| 10:16.01 | kenboo | that state |
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| 10:16.37 | leikh | is it xserver-svga that initiates xdm? |
| 10:16.59 | benjamindees | leikh, you can append 1 to the kernel command line to boot into the console directly |
| 10:17.43 | leikh | benjamindees: ok. thx |
| 10:17.47 | kenboo | leikh, edit /etc/inittab and change run level to 1 otherwise |
| 10:17.57 | kenboo | or 2? |
| 10:18.22 | kenboo | uh ya...2 is correct |
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| 10:20.51 | zzz | hi! Could anybody tell me does it exist a debian netinst CD for sid, like for sarge? If yes, then where? I wasn' t able to find it. |
| 10:21.15 | stuartSan | okay maybe some of you never use this, but does anyone know a neat mud client for linux? |
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| 10:21.58 | takatumi | zzz: try booting with expert26 |
| 10:22.36 | zzz | takatumi: do You mean with sarge netinst CD? |
| 10:23.17 | takatumi | zzz: yes |
| 10:23.31 | zzz | ok, i' ll try it. |
| 10:23.54 | takatumi | zzz: atleast it works with the business card iso, not sure about the netinstall one. |
| 10:24.26 | zzz | takatumi: Do You mean is it better to download the business card iso to install a sid from network? |
| 10:24.58 | takatumi | zzz: for now, try the one you have. |
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| 10:25.28 | zzz | takatumi: i don' t have one yet, i just wanna download it now. What do You advise to me? Which one? |
| 10:26.01 | takatumi | zzz: why are you going straight to sid in the first place? |
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| 10:26.51 | BenDrake | hey all |
| 10:27.12 | zzz | takatumi: I just wanna test it, i use for my "normal" system sarge. |
| 10:27.45 | zzz | test = try |
| 10:28.07 | orjan | When I config exim4, where I add ip addresses to listen to, shall it be both the external eth address and 127.0.0.1? |
| 10:28.09 | takatumi | zzz: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 10:28.12 | BenDrake | I am using debian sarge. and I removed one of my user account. When I added it again and logged in to kde, its not allowing the sound divers to start up. Sound works in root though |
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| 10:29.09 | scarynetworkguy | !tell BenDrake about sound |
| 10:29.18 | scarynetworkguy | There you go. |
| 10:29.39 | zzz | takatumi: I' ve already download the same, but thanks. |
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| 10:31.34 | togs | where does one set the computer name for debian? is that the hostname set in base-config? |
| 10:31.54 | js_ | echo something > /etc/hostname |
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| 10:32.37 | togs | ah ok |
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| 10:36.44 | suzzi__ | howdy all |
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| 10:40.23 | suzzi__ | quick NFS problem, I have my debian box serving up my home dir so that I can get to it via my laptop(OSX) my exports state /home/suzzi 192.168.0.*(rw,,sync,insecure,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000) as my uid/gid on the server is 1000 and not on my laptop (where it's 501), problem is that when ever I try to copy any thing from laptop to server I get a permissions error, any ideas on where I should look for help? man exports doenst seem |
| 10:41.00 | suzzi__ | ummm I just noticed that I have two commas in my post, they are not in /etc/exports |
| 10:41.02 | pureone | mmm root |
| 10:41.03 | suzzi__ | sorry about that |
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| 10:41.59 | maccadam | pureone: maybe but istn't there an "nicer" solution? |
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| 10:45.55 | pureone | to what maccadam? |
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| 10:47.39 | maccadam | pureone: to suzzi__ 's NFS problem |
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| 10:48.35 | pureone | i have no idea i have never used NFS so i cant say |
| 10:48.49 | stuartSan | hm i wanna install a mud client but i have to compile, how'd i do it? |
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| 10:49.15 | maccadam | stuartSan: read the INSTALL file? |
| 10:49.52 | suzzi__ | pureone: thanks for trying though. |
| 10:50.54 | pureone | if i knew i would help but i dont know so i cant really help sorry suzzi__ |
| 10:51.17 | suzzi__ | pureone: np dont worry about it. Not everyone can be a master at everything |
| 10:52.05 | suzzi__ | pureone: is there any thing that I can try and help out with or are you just hanging out? |
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| 10:52.24 | stuartSan | bleh this sucks, is there a mud client i can get form apt |
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| 10:52.47 | suzzi__ | stuartSan: I'm sure that theres something but I havent mudded, sorry |
| 10:53.04 | pngwn | stuartSan, packages.debian.org |
| 10:53.07 | stuartSan | no prob |
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| 10:54.51 | hackeron | !il |
| 10:54.51 | dpkg | it has been said that il is Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 10:55.10 | hackeron | nice :) |
| 10:55.35 | crackhead | anyone know of a command that will give me the 3rd line from top? |
| 10:55.51 | crackhead | essentially the cpu info |
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| 10:56.18 | hackeron | crackhead: tail -n 3 | head -n 1 ? |
| 10:56.24 | liw | anyone here understand DSSSL? the problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298163 |
| 10:56.27 | hackeron | crackhead: nah, missed one |
| 10:56.30 | hackeron | crackhead: tail -n 3 | tac |head -n 1 ? |
| 10:56.30 | caphuso | top -n1 -b | sed -n 3p |
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| 10:58.35 | crackhead | caphuso : that's kinda what I want but top complained about the -b option |
| 10:58.58 | caphuso | crackhead: probably an older version. try without |
| 10:59.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | is it possible to make a group ssh to allow only them to login using ssh? |
| 10:59.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | and the same for ftp? |
| 11:00.01 | helix | does ashtar only have one fan? |
| 11:00.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | no |
| 11:00.17 | crackhead | caphuso: what is the p for in 3p |
| 11:00.22 | caphuso | crackhead: print |
| 11:00.26 | crackhead | aaah |
| 11:01.31 | Ashtars_fanclub | he is the awsome guy from ninja gajden 2 , nes http://www.classicgaming.com/ninjagaiden/bosses/ashtar1.gif |
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| 11:01.49 | adughe | how do i apply a patch to a kernel with a foo .diff file? patch -p1 foo.diff ? |
| 11:01.53 | crackhead | yeah that worked....on the linux box..I was doing it on macOSX originally and it continues to run top, but on linux it stops it |
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| 11:02.08 | emcee | play nethack |
| 11:02.09 | caphuso | adughe: patch -p1 < foo.diff |
| 11:02.13 | emcee | that's classic AND modern gaming |
| 11:02.32 | caphuso | emcee: but @_fanclub looks stupid... |
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| 11:02.40 | emcee | hold me caphuso :( |
| 11:02.49 | adughe | i tryie i get errors the patch is not doing nothing?? |
| 11:02.51 | valdyn_ | adughe: patch takes patches on stdin |
| 11:03.03 | stuartSan | oh no the spammer is back |
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| 11:03.33 | stuartSan | nice |
| 11:03.34 | emcee | :o |
| 11:03.38 | adughe | and after i patch it i must recompile the kernel too or is not necesary? |
| 11:03.48 | emcee | and after all the bones I collected for you :p |
| 11:04.03 | emcee | (ok ok, for me ^_^) |
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| 11:04.08 | emcee | (but thank YOU) |
| 11:04.28 | valdyn_ | adughe: this question worries me.. naturally you must, if you want that patch to have any effect on your system |
| 11:04.33 | stuartSan | how do i handle a .deb file, dpkg it? |
| 11:04.46 | adughe | k 10x |
| 11:05.07 | pureone | dpkg -i some.deb |
| 11:05.08 | valdyn_ | stuartSan: thats not a good idea in all cases, but you can |
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| 11:05.17 | pureone | haha |
| 11:05.22 | adughe | :) i just wonder if i patch not the source |
| 11:05.51 | stuartSan | alright |
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| 11:06.42 | valdyn_ | adughe: binary patches would be a huge mess ;) |
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| 11:06.53 | adughe | :) |
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| 11:07.56 | shadebob | hi |
| 11:08.05 | stuartSan | crap i keep forgetting how to check disk space |
| 11:08.07 | stuartSan | dp -h? |
| 11:08.15 | liw | df -h |
| 11:08.18 | jarango_ | is there a command line proggy to enable promiscuous mode ? |
| 11:08.23 | stuartSan | oh yeah thats it |
| 11:08.37 | valdyn_ | jarango_: for what? |
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| 11:09.03 | togs | anybody know what to change when a server asks you if you want to save a php file rather then display it? \ |
| 11:09.11 | valdyn_ | jarango_: for a wireless interface? |
| 11:09.13 | raz_ | lo all. |
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| 11:10.46 | valdyn_ | jarango_: man ifconfig |
| 11:11.12 | valdyn_ | jarango_: not like it makes sense to just enable primiscous mode though, i guess |
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| 11:13.34 | davix | operators |
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| 11:13.51 | impact24 | hi ppl. I have a Netra X1 rack server...I don't have much experience with using solaris and would rather prefer installing debian on it instead.,, |
| 11:14.11 | zzz | hi! Can i somewhere download cdrecord-wrapper.sh file for cdrecord-proDVD (somewhere else than berlios.de, because i cannot reach it now, and mine has expired). |
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| 11:14.20 | impact24 | some old-timers in my organization say they think it'b a "waste" not to use solaris though...what do you guys think? |
| 11:14.24 | togs | how do you restart services in debian? |
| 11:14.46 | impact24 | togs: /etc/init.d/<service_name> restart |
| 11:14.55 | togs | ah, ta |
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| 11:15.57 | impact24 | so..in short, my question boils down to..."is there anything wrong in any sense with installing debian on sparcs instead of solaris?" :) |
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| 11:17.07 | valdyn_ | zzz: why not simply use growisofs? |
| 11:17.55 | zzz | valdyn_: good question, i don' t know. |
| 11:19.04 | valdyn_ | zzz: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools && growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=dvd.iso ) |
| 11:19.43 | valdyn_ | zzz: or use k3b, whatever you wish |
| 11:19.50 | zzz | ok, i do it. |
| 11:20.02 | zzz | no, i don' t wanna use graphical program, but thx. |
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| 11:22.25 | rzei | hi everyone, chkrootkit thinks i might have lkm trojan installed, was there a way to ask apt- system to check coreutils package md5sums are different from those i've got installed? |
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| 11:23.17 | malte | could anyone give me a sid repository, preferably the whole source line? |
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| 11:23.53 | malte | ehm.. an entry from apts sources config, i mean |
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| 11:25.06 | rzei | malte: couldn't that be easily found from the debian webiste? |
| 11:25.14 | Kvant | malte, deb http://ftp.port80.se/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 11:25.22 | soth` | whats the url to the new installer? |
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| 11:26.00 | malte | rzei, *i* couldn't find one, but i suppose so :S |
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| 11:26.04 | malte | Kvant, cheers |
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| 11:27.03 | hume | i am trying to install freemind (debian testing) but it complains about java (j2re1.4) not being installed, even though it is - i have installed binary from sun and it is working fine. how can solve this? |
| 11:27.11 | phanter | hello, I just installed vim-gnome, but how do I start the program (it's not in the menu | vim is not the GTK version | vim-gnome is not recognised as a command) |
| 11:27.21 | qwertz | Hi! Is it possible that I connect remote to an pc (using ssh) and the person on the local pc can see what I'm typing/doing? |
| 11:27.24 | hume | phgvim? |
| 11:27.35 | hume | phanter, gvim? |
| 11:27.37 | phanter | qwertz: use a vnc viewre |
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| 11:28.08 | phanter | hume: thnx ! |
| 11:28.24 | joh | Hello, is it possible to download a whole distribution compnent to the hard-drive, adding it to sources.list, so internet-access is not required for installing packages from that component? |
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| 11:29.23 | directhex | define a 'component' |
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| 11:31.35 | joh | directhex: a component as in the sources.list file: deb uri distribution [component1] [component2] [...] |
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| 11:31.45 | rzei | could someone with stable i386 spill out md5sums of their /bin/ps ? |
| 11:31.48 | joh | directhex: i.e. main, non-free etc. |
| 11:32.01 | directhex | yes, there are tools to mirror those. |
| 11:32.22 | directhex | !info debmirror |
| 11:32.25 | dpkg | debmirror: (Debian partial mirror script, with ftp and package pool support), section net, is extra. Version: 20050207 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 11:32.32 | joh | directhex: thank you very much. |
| 11:32.43 | benjamindees | directhex, the version of debmirror I have doesn't seem to support that |
| 11:33.11 | directhex | benjamindees, i dsunno, i just know that's what it's _supposed- TO DO |
| 11:33.12 | benjamindees | oops, nevermind, it does |
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| 11:33.15 | directhex | bleh, capslock |
| 11:33.36 | togs | i've uncommented the AddType php line and restarted apache, but the browser still wants to save my test file, rather then display it. what have I missed |
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| 11:34.17 | togs | aside from the question mark :P |
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| 11:37.16 | ruzbeh | i want to know what version i have installed of glibc, how do i check it that with apt-get? |
| 11:37.57 | Kvant | apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 11:38.13 | ruzbeh | thanks |
| 11:38.15 | Shorty` | spambot guys |
| 11:38.22 | Shorty` | QFcHFQ is spamming me |
| 11:38.25 | Shorty` | someone wanna fuck it off? |
| 11:38.25 | Shorty` | ah |
| 11:38.26 | Shorty` | damn |
| 11:38.50 | pureone | http://pastebin.ca/7752 |
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| 11:43.57 | gorby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.00 | xk | gorby: check the gnome panel. or the gnome settings |
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| 11:45.32 | gorby | yeah there is one 'screen res' on the menu, it only goes up to 1024X768 |
| 11:45.44 | xk | what res do you want? |
| 11:45.52 | gorby | 1600X1024 |
| 11:45.57 | xk | 1600x1200 you mean? |
| 11:46.01 | gorby | yup |
| 11:46.04 | xk | what size is your monitor? |
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| 11:46.09 | gorby | 22" |
| 11:46.27 | gorby | winblows is @ that res |
| 11:46.31 | gorby | on a kvm |
| 11:46.39 | xk | hrm... did you set the horizontal sync/vertical refresh to the right values? |
| 11:47.07 | gorby | didnt try, but my monitor has been identified correctly in x config |
| 11:47.16 | linuxfreck | there is a very high chance that a hint is in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:47.24 | gorby | cool |
| 11:47.26 | xk | well... that means nothing. I don't remmeber x being smart enough to guess the values. |
| 11:47.31 | gorby | :) |
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| 11:47.47 | togs | 22"? that's huge. hope you got a good desk :P |
| 11:47.49 | xk | yeah, check the log. it will say there |
| 11:48.17 | xk | fucking dvb card |
| 11:48.34 | xk | avidemux doesn't like borked stream captures |
| 11:48.35 | xk | sigh. |
| 11:48.56 | xk | what the fuck do I need? a 100 ghz machine? |
| 11:48.56 | pwned | http://flightlinux.gsfc.nasa.gov/ |
| 11:49.01 | xk | it worked beaut on my piece of shit dual celeron. |
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| 11:50.08 | xk | hrm... need to mess around with transcode. |
| 11:50.32 | joh | directhex: hmm, debmirror looks for packages in dists/<dist>/main/binary-main which is non-existan. I want it to look in binary-i386 instead. How can I do this? |
| 11:51.03 | directhex | joh, i don't knoiw, i've never used it myself |
| 11:51.10 | joh | directhex: ok |
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| 11:52.06 | keyes | hello |
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| 11:52.27 | keyes | when i try to use apt-get i've Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Malformed 1st word in the Status line |
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| 11:52.38 | keyes | how can I fix that ? |
| 11:53.04 | joh | directhex: ah, my fault. used -a instead of -s :P |
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| 11:54.10 | directhex | !status |
| 11:54.11 | dpkg | Since Sun Mar 13 08:26:50 2005, there have been 88 modifications, 3189 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1001 commands. I have been awake for 6d 3h 27m 20s this session, and currently reference 25282 factoids. I'm using about 16308 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1419.43/68.43 child 1015.47/79.81 |
| 11:54.14 | directhex | bleh |
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| 11:56.24 | whatsWrong | I have an R2 CD-ROM, its it worth downloading R4 or just allow apt to update? |
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| 11:56.38 | p88 | doesn't debian have gaim-guifications? |
| 11:56.42 | directhex | r4 is r2 with the latest content from security.debian.org |
| 11:56.54 | directhex | apt-get upgrade will have the same result |
| 11:57.03 | directhex | what's gaim guifications? |
| 11:57.24 | whatsWrong | ok good one, it saves some time |
| 11:57.30 | p88 | it is a plugin of gaim that shows small windows when buddies log in or out |
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| 11:58.06 | CyzarX | after apt-get upgrade, how do i remove the old kernel from the hdd? |
| 11:58.31 | deadcat | CyzarX: apt-get remove |
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| 11:58.56 | directhex | CyzarX, apt-get upgrade doesn't change your kernel |
| 11:59.11 | CyzarX | i mean apt-get dist-upgarde |
| 11:59.21 | directhex | neither does dist-upgrade |
| 11:59.24 | xk | sigh |
| 11:59.28 | Thomaz | am i better off downloading with jigdo or bittorrent for the fastest, less painful experence of downloading it? |
| 11:59.38 | CyzarX | directhex, yes it does |
| 11:59.44 | directhex | it may update your kernel package, but not install a package for a different kernel |
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| 12:00.08 | benjamindees | Thomaz, jigdo |
| 12:00.45 | absence | how do i prevent or flush caching of cdrom contents? i've inserted and mounted a new cd, but when i ls it, it still shows the contents of the previous one i used |
| 12:00.48 | directhex | hm, unless you use a kernel metapackage like 2.6 i suppose |
| 12:01.07 | directhex | in which case just apt-get remove the old kernel-image-2.6.whatever-2-foobar |
| 12:01.08 | Thomaz | benjamindees, your everywhere. But ok thanks |
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| 12:03.25 | helix | !tell togs|awy about away |
| 12:03.47 | p88 | !tell p88 about away |
| 12:04.42 | p88 | helix: what about /away <reason>? |
| 12:04.54 | Thomaz | how confusing.. where do i find the .jigdo files? (i'm in australia) |
| 12:04.57 | helix | p88: as long as it's not publicly announced, no one knows |
| 12:05.03 | Thomaz | on the AU site i can't find it |
| 12:05.17 | p88 | helix: is this publicly announced: |
| 12:05.24 | p88 | did you see something? |
| 12:05.27 | helix | no |
| 12:05.30 | p88 | good :) |
| 12:05.31 | helix | sane irc clients don't announce it |
| 12:05.36 | xk | bleh @ avidemix. |
| 12:05.44 | bodq | d-i says that I don't have kernel modules on my mirror. I've checked it, and the mirror seems complete. what can be wrong? |
| 12:05.46 | xk | it's trying to rewind into a blackhole. |
| 12:05.49 | deadcat | p88: thats some 1337 script |
| 12:05.57 | deadcat | got to share |
| 12:06.03 | p88 | ah |
| 12:06.06 | p88 | ^_^ |
| 12:06.17 | p88 | I have irssi |
| 12:06.24 | p88 | I think irssi is sane |
| 12:06.27 | helix | yeah, irssi is very sane |
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| 12:07.55 | benjamindees | Thomaz, the jigdo files are the same everywhere; when you run jigdo it will ask you which mirror to use |
| 12:08.06 | Thomaz | I gather here it is... http://us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0_r4-cd/jigdo/i386/ <- but what one ? |
| 12:08.12 | p88 | why jigdo? |
| 12:08.20 | bodq | why woody? |
| 12:08.21 | p88 | why not simply download the network installation cd? |
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| 12:08.51 | benjamindees | bodq, it's a server |
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| 12:09.03 | Thomaz | benjamindees, theres like a million heh... |
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| 12:09.15 | benjamindees | Thomaz, the net install cd is also good |
| 12:09.36 | p88 | I downloaded the net install cd |
| 12:09.41 | llama32 | hi ppl |
| 12:09.43 | bodq | benjamindees: so what? in a short while sarge will be released |
| 12:09.46 | p88 | and I found it good |
| 12:09.53 | Thomaz | benjamindees, what is that.. ijust want to get it onto the cd as quickly and painless as possable |
| 12:09.58 | bodq | benjamindees: "that really must mean something" :) |
| 12:09.58 | p88 | I have sarge |
| 12:10.01 | p88 | it is nice |
| 12:10.07 | p88 | it hasn't fucked up anything yet |
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| 12:11.20 | c459s | Hi, is there an easy way to search all directories and sub-directories of "/foo/bar/" for the file "foo.bar"? |
| 12:11.29 | benjamindees | Thomaz, but actually the cds are also good, especially if you have recent hardware, Woody driver support is kind of ancient |
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| 12:11.40 | p88 | c459s: find /foo/bar | grep foo.bar |
| 12:11.43 | caphuso | c459s: find /foo/bar -name foo.bar |
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| 12:11.44 | tgkjer | ban Idrpag pls |
| 12:11.51 | marinos | c459s: yes find /foo/bar -iname "*foo.bar*" |
| 12:11.51 | c459s | thanks :) |
| 12:11.59 | keyes | I've a problem at apt-get update : http://pastebin.com/260114 someone can help me ? |
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| 12:12.13 | caphuso | keyes: #ubuntu |
| 12:12.29 | Thomaz | benjamindees, so download this? http://us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0_r4-cd/jigdo/i386/debian-update-3.0r4-i386-1.jigdo |
| 12:12.45 | benjamindees | Thomaz, you can get as many or as few cds as you care to, but get both of the 'update' cds |
| 12:13.15 | c459s | marinos; thanks :) |
| 12:13.39 | marinos | welcome |
| 12:13.41 | benjamindees | Thomaz, each file represents a single cd |
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| 12:14.25 | Thomaz | benjamindees, there is only two then? |
| 12:14.34 | Thomaz | benjamindees, unless .template is something? |
| 12:15.25 | Thomaz | benjamindees, basicly i need only these two then? As they are the only two lol. debian-update-3.0r4-i386-1.jigdo, debian-update-3.0r4-i386-2.jigdo |
| 12:15.30 | benjamindees | Thomaz, just the .jigdo files; there are the original "woody" cds and then the two security "update" cds |
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| 12:15.59 | benjamindees | Thomaz, Debian has over 10,000 packages, you'll need more than two :) |
| 12:16.09 | Thomaz | benjamindees, i'm confused on what i need to download to install this... |
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| 12:16.33 | mh_le | it seems that mount point for t he cdrom drives aren't being created, how do I fix this? |
| 12:16.44 | benjamindees | both of the "update" cds, as well as one or more of the "woody" cds |
| 12:16.49 | xk | mh_le: make the directory. |
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| 12:17.03 | mh_le | xk: they get deleted after I reboot |
| 12:17.03 | Thomaz | benjamindees, for an example fedora has CD1, CD2, CD3 and CD4 ;) isn't there a CD1 for this? |
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| 12:17.11 | xk | mh_le: where are they located? |
| 12:17.18 | mh_le | xk: /media |
| 12:17.21 | xk | hrm... |
| 12:17.23 | Thomaz | benjamindees, so these debian-update-3.0r4-i386-1.jigdo, debian-update-3.0r4-i386-2.jigdo plus? |
| 12:17.31 | xk | do you use some gnome auto mounter tool? |
| 12:17.42 | benjamindees | Thomaz, woody-i386-1.jigdo |
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| 12:17.54 | mh_le | xk: the one that debian installed by default |
| 12:18.07 | xk | I wouldn't know; my debian setup runs the way I want it. |
| 12:18.14 | Lam_user | Snaet kto-nibudj russkij |
| 12:18.32 | Thomaz | benjamindees... so whats happening :S, is it going to download the ios diles? |
| 12:19.03 | mh_le | xk: that's good.. can you help me to get it to work the way I want it? |
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| 12:19.29 | xk | mh_le: to tell you the truth, I would have not a clue what you're using to mount devices. |
| 12:19.32 | benjamindees | Thomaz, you use the "jigdo" program, along with those files, to download and build the .iso files |
| 12:19.37 | xk | mh_le: because it seems to be deleting them on reboot. |
| 12:19.47 | mh_le | xk: IIRC it's called discover |
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| 12:20.04 | xk | hrm... |
| 12:20.16 | xk | I wouldn't know. I set my mounts in /etc/fstab, and I expect the mountpoints to exist. |
| 12:20.34 | xk | I have no need for a tool to make the directory and remove it for me. |
| 12:20.36 | emergo | anyone here running vmware ? my cdrom or dvdrom dont show on install. they are idee. I tried it some years ago with scsi-emulation and then it worked. |
| 12:20.56 | mh_le | xk: well it is in fstab.. |
| 12:21.12 | xk | change the directory to /mnt... that's where I store mine |
| 12:21.14 | llama32 | how many virtual desktops do most ppl have? |
| 12:21.18 | xk | llama32: 4. |
| 12:21.32 | Thomaz | benjamindees, yep am doing. So should mysql, apache and PHP be within these CD's? |
| 12:21.43 | llama32 | i have 6 and theyre all in use :| |
| 12:21.47 | mh_le | xk: will gnome see that change so I can mount in gnome? |
| 12:22.08 | xk | mh_le: do I use gnome? no. do I manually mount devices? yes. |
| 12:22.24 | mh_le | xk: well I do |
| 12:22.31 | xk | I'm not surprised those automated tools fuck up. |
| 12:22.35 | benjamindees | Thomaz, you may want to get the first two of the woody cds |
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| 12:23.48 | Thomaz | is a woody file an entire cd? |
| 12:24.04 | benjamindees | Thomaz, each .jigdo file represents a cd, yes |
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| 12:24.38 | maruz | someone using postgrey? i need help on how insert --greylist-text into /etc/default/postgrey .. |
| 12:24.45 | Thomaz | benjamindees alright thanks |
| 12:24.47 | benjamindees | Thomaz, Woody is the codename for the last stable release |
| 12:24.48 | Thomaz | i'm going to bed bye. |
| 12:25.03 | Thomaz | benjamindees, yeah its a great name heh. |
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| 12:25.06 | Thomaz | 'woody' |
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| 12:25.29 | maruz | if i need to insert an opt into /etc/default/something, how can i escape blanks chars? |
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| 12:25.40 | Pappa | i have 6 on each monitor, llama32 |
| 12:26.08 | kalila | Synaptic uses GTK 1.x? |
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| 12:29.41 | bodq | :( where can I get more recent d-i images? |
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| 12:29.54 | xk | which package do I need to compile java source? |
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| 12:30.11 | bodq | current runs 2.4.27-1 and debian mirrors have d-i kernel modules for 2.4.27-2 |
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| 12:31.40 | bodq | anyone? |
| 12:32.12 | xk | why can't you upgrade your kernel? |
| 12:32.35 | Pappa | xk: jdk |
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| 12:32.49 | Pappa | ask dpkg about java-package |
| 12:32.59 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/260132 <-- any help appriciated |
| 12:33.03 | benjamindees | hmm... surely there are jigdo files somewhere that are updated, instead of having to download extra cds? |
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| 12:34.25 | DeeJay | I got a problem when i try to mount my webroot dir into another dir, then it sais something about "fs type is not supported" - Why? :| |
| 12:34.25 | DeeJay | FSRV:/home/flyver# mount --bind /home/www/ /home/flyver/www/ |
| 12:34.26 | DeeJay | mount: fs type none not supported by kernel |
| 12:34.48 | xk | Pappa: well. I still need the java sdk :) |
| 12:34.54 | xk | I don't want to build a debian package |
| 12:34.59 | redduck666 | DeeJay, what kind of fs are you trying to mount? |
| 12:35.08 | DeeJay | ext2 like the rest of my harddrive |
| 12:35.20 | DeeJay | Thats what bothers me |
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| 12:35.30 | ikaro | mojn |
| 12:35.34 | caphuso | DeeJay: what kernel version? |
| 12:35.36 | xk | DeeJay: ls -ld /home/www/ /home/flyver/www/ |
| 12:35.37 | DeeJay | 2.2 |
| 12:35.42 | DeeJay | i'll try xk |
| 12:35.45 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 12:35.47 | xk | there is no --bind support for 2.2.x kernel |
| 12:35.52 | DeeJay | Oh :| |
| 12:35.52 | caphuso | it fucking says that in the mount man page |
| 12:35.53 | xk | you need... hrm.... 2.4.x |
| 12:36.02 | DeeJay | Well i wont know how to upgrade it manually |
| 12:36.39 | xk | i love java |
| 12:37.14 | xk | so I need SE SDK not RE? |
| 12:37.25 | marinos | DeeJay: run apt-cache -n search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 12:37.37 | marinos | DeeJay: then choose a kernel for your machine |
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| 12:38.01 | Pappa | xk: jdk 5.0? |
| 12:38.01 | marinos | DeeJay: and install it with apt-get install kernel-image-2.4xxx |
| 12:38.37 | mh_le | now all of a sudden my sound dosen't work. my audio app complains that /dev/dsp dosen't exist, help! |
| 12:38.46 | xk | Pappa: it doesn't matter which version... I just want something to compile ;) |
| 12:38.50 | Pappa | xk: you need j2se yes |
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| 12:39.00 | xk | bah @ 17 k/s from sun.com |
| 12:39.08 | marinos | DeeJay: then look if your boot manager is configurered ok |
| 12:39.11 | xk | are there any mirrors? |
| 12:39.19 | xk | is the blackdown version sufficient? |
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| 12:39.37 | wfq | hi |
| 12:40.01 | marinos | xk: must be |
| 12:40.10 | streuner | xk: sure |
| 12:40.12 | Pappa | i hate java |
| 12:40.13 | Pappa | lol |
| 12:40.21 | DeeJay | marcel_, trying to isntall a new kernel image |
| 12:40.22 | streuner | deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ sid non-free |
| 12:40.29 | DeeJay | sry marcel_ not you :D |
| 12:40.31 | xk | Pappa: same. I just need it to fix a corrupted dvb stream file. |
| 12:40.44 | DeeJay | marinos, trying to install a new kernel image |
| 12:40.54 | xk | "Download the java sdk from sun as usual, e.g. j2sdk-1_4_2_07-linux-i586.bin and do" |
| 12:40.59 | xk | well.. I'm not downloading it at 10 K/s |
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| 12:41.28 | redduck666 | when i was on sarge default kernel and i booted my computer all i needed to do is to write dhclient as root and it connected me on internet. now i upgraded to 2.6.8 (using apt-get) and if i write dhclient it won't connect me to internet. any help appriciated |
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| 12:42.23 | nagual | hehe |
| 12:42.30 | nagual | yea, find out why you can´t connect to the internet |
| 12:42.47 | redduck666 | nagual, how can i ind that out? |
| 12:42.50 | xk | worthless mirrors |
| 12:42.52 | redduck666 | *find |
| 12:42.53 | stuartSan | !works in 2.4 |
| 12:42.53 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 12:43.09 | valdyn_ | !faq redduck666 |
| 12:43.09 | dpkg | redduck666: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:43.13 | nagual | well, do you get an ip? |
| 12:43.18 | mh_le | now all of a sudden my sound dosen't work. my audio app complains that /dev/dsp dosen't exist, help! |
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| 12:43.36 | stuartSan | mh_le, all of a sudden since when |
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| 12:43.44 | stuartSan | mh_le, and which are you using alsa or oss |
| 12:43.49 | redduck666 | nagual, in 2.4 yeah, in 2.6 no |
| 12:44.32 | mh_le | stuartSan: since last reboot |
| 12:44.38 | mh_le | stuartSan: no idea |
| 12:44.48 | DeeJay | Hmm what kernel image should i use for an Athlon xp 2000+? :| i386 or i686? |
| 12:44.53 | stuartSan | mh_le, how did you configure your sound when i twas working |
| 12:44.55 | DeeJay | Or something else? :| |
| 12:45.01 | streuner | k7 |
| 12:45.06 | mh_le | stuartSan: I didn't, it just worked on installtion |
| 12:45.08 | DeeJay | oki |
| 12:45.14 | DeeJay | kernel-image-2.6-k7 etc? |
| 12:45.16 | xk | I'll use lftp pget to leech it ;) |
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| 12:45.34 | maruz | someone does help w/ start-stop-daemon? |
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| 12:45.39 | stuartSan | mh_le, oh? then try quitting X, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils and after that is done do alsaconf |
| 12:46.15 | xk | `...2_07-linux-i586.bin', got 730880 of 36406456 (2%) 138.1K/s eta:7m |
| 12:46.16 | xk | there we go |
| 12:46.20 | wfq | how load a lilo in /dev/ataraid/d0 mbr, which, it had installed source drive ide... I am now inside drive ide and when I trying to execute "lilo" with disk=/dev/hda inaccessible--> "error fatal: Device [0x3..] configured inaccesible" but so I don't put "disk... inaccesible" it working well but lilo trying to boot source hda--> kernel panic |
| 12:46.22 | wfq | ? |
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| 12:46.55 | xk | ataraid? |
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| 12:47.04 | karamelos | hikenboot, do DDR memory modules need to be installed in pairs? |
| 12:47.08 | xk | pseudo hardware ide raid? |
| 12:47.08 | bodq | where can I get more recent d-i floppy images? |
| 12:47.17 | redduck666 | valdyn_, the faq doesn't seem to answer my question :( |
| 12:47.21 | wfq | xk:yes |
| 12:47.26 | xk | karamelos: no. but you get better performance if you do it in pairs. |
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| 12:47.48 | mh_le | stuartSan: thanks that worked great |
| 12:47.58 | valdyn_ | redduck666: no, not literally, however it does explain how to set up networking |
| 12:47.59 | karamelos | xk, can you explain more? |
| 12:48.10 | mh_le | stuartSan: can you help me with my cdrom problem? |
| 12:48.12 | streuner | bodq: why does d-i not work for you? |
| 12:48.12 | DeeJay | streuner mate, my current kernel is a i686 |
| 12:48.15 | xk | karamelos: well, if you use one module, you only get single channel. |
| 12:48.21 | xk | karamelos: use pair. you get dual channel. |
| 12:48.21 | stuartSan | mh_le, no prob, just remember to do that out of X though. |
| 12:48.25 | xk | karamelos: simple as that. |
| 12:48.26 | stuartSan | mh_le, if i can. |
| 12:48.31 | streuner | DeeJay: sure, they work as well... |
| 12:48.56 | xk | karamelos: so you lose half performance. or put it in another way. you can get 2x the performance if you have a pair compared to single. |
| 12:49.11 | mh_le | stuartSan: it seems that the mount point for my cdrom drives are not being created, if I make them manually they are gone after reboot... |
| 12:49.19 | karamelos | xk, thx. |
| 12:49.34 | xk | karamelos: according to what my manual says. heh. |
| 12:49.39 | streuner | bodq: if you need some recent floppy-images just read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 12:49.42 | stuartSan | mh_le, you mean there's no /cdrom? |
| 12:49.47 | xk | karamelos: I'm new to the ddr world... I only upgraded to a ddr system like 1 month ago. |
| 12:50.08 | mh_le | stuartSan: in this case it's /mediacdrom0 and /media/cdrom1, but yeah |
| 12:50.19 | bodq | streuner: HECK |
| 12:50.20 | karamelos | xk, how much memory you have now? |
| 12:50.21 | bodq | streuner: no |
| 12:50.26 | bodq | streuner: i'm reading it all morning |
| 12:50.29 | wfq | xk: you know how to it? |
| 12:50.38 | xk | karamelos: 512megs (2x256). I don't have need for more. |
| 12:50.48 | streuner | bodq: look for making your custom floppy-images |
| 12:50.51 | karamelos | xk, and you use gnome or kde? |
| 12:51.00 | xk | wfq: no I don't. I would only use linux software raid, not some halfassed pseudo hardware raid. |
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| 12:51.11 | xk | karamelos: I don't use a DE. I use afterstep as a WM. |
| 12:51.14 | xk | helix: heh. |
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| 12:51.23 | zgamer | hi can any1 give me a link to the Sarge netinstall iso? i could not find it and www.linuxiso.org is down. |
| 12:51.39 | karamelos | xk, but you still can use gnome apps, don't you? |
| 12:51.41 | bodq | streuner: how do you guys do netinstall at all, current images do not match current udeb kernel version |
| 12:51.42 | kbrooks | no it isnt |
| 12:51.56 | streuner | !tell zgamer about d-i |
| 12:51.58 | stuartSan | mh_le, no idea bout that |
| 12:51.59 | xk | karamelos: I can, if I have the libs installed... but it's not justified to install/run heaps of useless crap. |
| 12:52.01 | kbrooks | zgamer, refresh the window |
| 12:52.04 | wfq | xk: thanks you. good by everybody |
| 12:52.08 | xk | I've seem gnome make a 512meg machine crawl. |
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| 12:52.34 | xk | whereas on my afterstep setup, there's ram for all. |
| 12:52.56 | zgamer | think intel pentium 4 is the i836? |
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| 12:53.03 | zgamer | 386* |
| 12:53.08 | streuner | zgamer: i686 |
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| 12:53.58 | karamelos | xk, so you use mainly comand line tools, no firefox? |
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| 12:54.31 | streuner | zgamer: run 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' , but don't use it here |
| 12:54.40 | stuartSan | ok do any MUD users happen to be online because i'm looking for a nice client for debian |
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| 12:54.52 | xk | karamelos: I use heaps of xterm, and firefox. |
| 12:55.05 | Pappa | firefox is buggy |
| 12:55.07 | xk | karamelos: and avidemux for encoding. |
| 12:55.24 | zgamer | 62% downloaded already |
| 12:55.25 | xk | Pappa: well. the only buggy thing about it is that it leaks ram over time. |
| 12:55.36 | zgamer | downloading with 500 kb/s :D |
| 12:55.39 | Pappa | xk: it crashes at random |
| 12:55.42 | xk | zgamer: bah. |
| 12:55.46 | xk | Pappa: how often? |
| 12:55.50 | xk | it rarely crashes for me. |
| 12:55.54 | ruzbeh | how do i tell my debian system to load certain modules at startup? |
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| 12:55.58 | xk | last time it crashed was because I upgraded all my libs ;) |
| 12:56.08 | Pappa | xk: every half hour.. it crashes on some webpages |
| 12:56.08 | xk | ruzbeh: /etc/modules. |
| 12:56.17 | Pappa | xk: what version you running? |
| 12:56.27 | ruzbeh | xk, hm i never used that, thanks |
| 12:56.31 | xk | Pappa: 1.0, mozilla.org release. (not .deb) |
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| 12:56.39 | karamelos | here firefox never crashed. |
| 12:56.52 | ruzbeh | i've had a crapload of firefox crashes but those were pre 1.0 |
| 12:56.58 | xk | yeah |
| 12:56.59 | Pappa | i use 1.0.1 compiled from source |
| 12:57.00 | ruzbeh | and a crapload of crashes with mozilla 1.7.3 |
| 12:57.13 | xk | nothing beats netscape 4.6 |
| 12:57.18 | xk | I could crash that within 3 minutes ;) |
| 12:57.48 | Pappa | IE: javascript:crash(); |
| 12:57.50 | Pappa | lol |
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| 12:59.18 | zgamer | recurse would probally crash any browser |
| 12:59.18 | Altamer | hi |
| 12:59.36 | usn | hi all |
| 12:59.39 | Altamer | how can i deactivate the graphical login? |
| 12:59.40 | Sero | Hello. |
| 12:59.41 | Pappa | and the mighty forkbomb |
| 12:59.53 | drac | !tell Altamer about nodm |
| 12:59.53 | Pappa | Altamer: xdm, kdm, gdm? |
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| 13:00.12 | Pappa | update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
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| 13:02.24 | xk | I love java... lame script. |
| 13:02.41 | xk | well, that was _weird_ |
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| 13:03.08 | Pappa | lol |
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| 13:03.52 | mirak | I want to install a bootloader on my hard drive from a live cd, how can I do that ? I use lilo |
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| 13:04.56 | Altamer | how can i change from kde to gnome? (usualy i'm using kde but i can't make it work so i need to start gnome) |
| 13:05.19 | LPenguin | youll need to install it first, get packages off the gnome site |
| 13:05.23 | streuner | mirak: what problem do you have? |
| 13:05.39 | Eclipser | LPenguin, ehm, why not use apt?-p |
| 13:05.47 | Pappa | Altamer: Xsessions |
| 13:05.54 | LPenguin | personal preference? |
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| 13:06.34 | Altamer | Pappa is that a command? 'cause it don't work |
| 13:07.01 | mirak | streuner, I want to install a boot block on a hard drive |
| 13:07.07 | mirak | that will be my futur system |
| 13:07.15 | LPenguin | whats your KDE problem anyway? |
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| 13:07.26 | p88 | hi all |
| 13:07.28 | streuner | mirak: just run 'lilo' |
| 13:07.31 | mirak | I can't use grub floppy, because the dd of the image fail |
| 13:07.42 | mirak | streuner, I can't boot on that system |
| 13:07.58 | mirak | it's a new one, I did a transert of linux |
| 13:07.59 | p88 | what is the sockstat command for debian? |
| 13:08.00 | streuner | mirak: make sure you have boot=blahblah in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:08.05 | p88 | where i can see active connections |
| 13:08.06 | mirak | it's there |
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| 13:08.12 | Kvant | p88, netstat |
| 13:08.13 | Altamer | LPenguin i think is a fonts problem. it screw up when it checks peripetals |
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| 13:08.16 | p88 | thanks :) |
| 13:08.17 | brullo | p88, netstat -Ainet ? |
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| 13:08.29 | LPenguin | mirak, i guess youll have to go into your bios setup, set it to boot from cd and reinstall |
| 13:08.33 | Pappa | Altamer: it's in /etc/X11, but it puzzles me.. seems kinda non-standard |
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| 13:08.49 | LPenguin | altamer, hmm... fonts problem with peripherals.... |
| 13:09.03 | LPenguin | perhaps its a problem with kudzu? |
| 13:09.04 | Altamer | yeah, i know. it's weird |
| 13:09.16 | Altamer | kudzu? |
| 13:09.23 | Altamer | LPenguin what's kudzu? |
| 13:09.29 | LPenguin | the plug and play service |
| 13:09.42 | brullo | Isnt Kudzu the SuSe installer GUI? |
| 13:10.00 | directhex | kudzu is red hat's hardware detector |
| 13:10.00 | Altamer | LPenguin i dunno, i'm not usin any pnp device |
| 13:10.07 | directhex | yast is suse's installer |
| 13:10.25 | mirak | LPenguin, there is other ways |
| 13:10.54 | Altamer | what is Xsessions? |
| 13:11.00 | LPenguin | mirak, no doubt. but if you cant get into the system then its a restore/reinstall situation |
| 13:11.48 | mirak | no |
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| 13:11.56 | mirak | there is ways with chroot |
| 13:12.03 | mirak | and livecd |
| 13:12.14 | mirak | I don't remember exactly the good method that's why I ask |
| 13:12.29 | mirak | there is something with mounting /proc or /dev I don't remember |
| 13:12.41 | streuner | mirak: mkdir /debian, mount /dev/hd(x) /debian, chroot /debian |
| 13:12.45 | xk | mplayer can't even seek any more on mpeg files. |
| 13:12.49 | llama32 | whats the easiest way to get simple pre-formatted time in c? |
| 13:12.49 | streuner | mirak: lilo -v |
| 13:13.21 | mirak | ok |
| 13:13.33 | LPenguin | llama32 ctime() |
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| 13:14.02 | LPenguin | returns a char* |
| 13:14.05 | bodq | llama32: ctime |
| 13:14.12 | bodq | oh right :) |
| 13:14.18 | LPenguin | lol |
| 13:14.25 | llama32 | thanks LP' |
| 13:14.32 | LPenguin | np |
| 13:14.36 | bodq | llama32: it ends with \n btw |
| 13:14.38 | Altamer | somebody knows how Xsession works? |
| 13:14.46 | LPenguin | it helps having the reference 5 inches away |
| 13:15.01 | streuner | Altamer: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 13:15.07 | LPenguin | bodq and a null obviously |
| 13:15.19 | Pappa | man foostdlibfunction |
| 13:15.24 | Pappa | :D |
| 13:15.25 | bodq | LPenguin: and uses static storage. and sucks :) |
| 13:15.56 | LPenguin | yeah, but if thats whats wanted lol |
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| 13:17.07 | LPenguin | personally i prefer to use localtime and construct my own string |
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| 13:18.07 | Pappa | i prefer to use C only when i really need it |
| 13:18.07 | Pappa | lol |
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| 13:18.17 | DeeJay | Where can i find a netinstall for debian? :| |
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| 13:18.34 | Pappa | !tell DeeJay about d-i |
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| 13:19.57 | Pappa | 98.9 0.3 29:09.07 famd |
| 13:20.09 | Pappa | what the hell is famd any dhy does it steal my mips? |
| 13:20.51 | LPenguin | it amazes me how some people only install gnome or kde, when there are so many programs you want which will typically require the one you didnt install. even just the basics are worht installing so you can run most programs.... |
| 13:21.10 | xk | heh |
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| 13:21.18 | xk | I avoid gnome/kde apps at all cost. |
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| 13:21.35 | LPenguin | i try to but its so much easier to make a gnome app than a pure x app |
| 13:21.45 | stouset | Hola |
| 13:21.59 | streuner | dpkg, find famd |
| 13:22.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'famd' (1): (/usr/sbin/famd) in admin/fam. |
| 13:22.12 | streuner | dpkg, info fam |
| 13:22.14 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 13:22.16 | DeeJay | Can somone help me find a iso file of a netinstall for debian? |
| 13:22.27 | stouset | !tell DeeJay about d-i |
| 13:22.39 | DeeJay | ... |
| 13:22.53 | DeeJay | Is that a new thing instead of "rtfm" ?:) |
| 13:22.59 | LPenguin | DeeJay hes not an op |
| 13:23.21 | LPenguin | its chan command |
| 13:23.21 | stouset | Not new. dpkg sent you a message answering the question. :-) |
| 13:23.21 | xk | hrm... projectx (java) + transcode seems to be working. |
| 13:23.21 | DeeJay | :| |
| 13:23.25 | DeeJay | I dont get it, but okay |
| 13:23.27 | stouset | !d-i |
| 13:23.27 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 13:23.38 | DeeJay | Oh |
| 13:23.38 | xk | how can you see an email address? :) |
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| 13:23.52 | streuner | DeeJay- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 13:23.57 | DeeJay | Eh yeah? |
| 13:24.05 | xk | MIRC owns |
| 13:24.11 | LPenguin | lol |
| 13:24.13 | streuner | haha |
| 13:24.14 | DeeJay | Its alright for my needs |
| 13:24.16 | LPenguin | xchat owns |
| 13:24.26 | LPenguin | but im on a woindows box atm :( |
| 13:24.29 | xk | anyone remember wsirc? :) |
| 13:24.33 | LPenguin | using chatzilla |
| 13:24.37 | xk | that was one crappy client... but good for its day ;) |
| 13:24.57 | LPenguin | it was basic, sure, but did what it was supposed to |
| 13:25.11 | LPenguin | its still about lol |
| 13:25.11 | stouset | irssi owns :-) |
| 13:25.35 | xk | 15fps encoding... need a faster proc. |
| 13:25.45 | LPenguin | what you got atm? |
| 13:25.51 | xk | an athlon 4000+ with 64bit would hit 25fps. |
| 13:25.59 | xk | LPenguin: athlon 64 3000+ in 32bit mode. |
| 13:26.35 | LPenguin | lol. here I am stuck on a 2.4 P4 |
| 13:26.42 | xk | hah, that's one shitty cpu |
| 13:26.43 | nvz | DeeJay: you have _needs_ to get hacked on IRC? |
| 13:26.47 | LPenguin | but i fitted 1gb DDR ram though |
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| 13:27.04 | xk | my athlon at 1.0ghz loses about 20% against a p4 2.4ghz in terms of john |
| 13:27.07 | LPenguin | shame my graphics card wont run under *nix though |
| 13:27.14 | nvz | I've never heard testimony from an mIRC user.. but that sounds silly |
| 13:27.19 | DeeJay | nvz, aparently you dont know what you are talking about there. |
| 13:27.37 | xk | LPenguin: what is it? |
| 13:27.50 | LPenguin | Radeon 9550 |
| 13:27.55 | nvz | mIRC is like the MSIE of IRC clients.. |
| 13:28.04 | LPenguin | im at the stage where i might just write my own drivers for it |
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| 13:28.13 | DeeJay | And what the fuck are you hussleing about my irc client for? |
| 13:28.24 | stouset | LPenguin: rather than just buy a new card? =p |
| 13:28.25 | yatanka | Hi all! |
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| 13:28.36 | LPenguin | DeeJay: nvz put ti best |
| 13:28.49 | LPenguin | stouset: i only just bought that one |
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| 13:28.50 | nvz | hey I didn't bring it up, or bring it in here |
| 13:28.55 | DeeJay | Who did? |
| 13:28.58 | kbrooks | u |
| 13:29.01 | DeeJay | lol? |
| 13:29.06 | DeeJay | Never mentioned my irc client? |
| 13:29.09 | kbrooks | yes you |
| 13:29.16 | xk | hey. I ran mirc through wine in 1997 or so! |
| 13:29.17 | DeeJay | Suddently ppl was versioning me and talking about "MIRC OWNS" |
| 13:29.22 | xk | and I thought that was "cool" ;o |
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| 13:29.32 | kbrooks | DeeJay, DID YOU CREATE a irc client? |
| 13:29.32 | DeeJay | Eh |
| 13:29.35 | LPenguin | lol. |
| 13:29.36 | soweto | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.37 | DeeJay | wtf? |
| 13:29.41 | xk | MIRC IS THE BEST IRC CLIENT IN THE WORLD |
| 13:29.45 | DeeJay | i use windows on this machine, i use mirc to chat on irc |
| 13:29.51 | kbrooks | xk, cut the caps |
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| 13:30.01 | LPenguin | DeeJay: Even chatzilla is better than mirc |
| 13:30.07 | kbrooks | DeeJay, well, obviously you didnt create it |
| 13:30.09 | DeeJay | I dont give a flying fuck whats better? |
| 13:30.21 | kbrooks | DeeJay, try xchat |
| 13:30.22 | DeeJay | Who said i created it? |
| 13:30.26 | xk | soweto: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc, there shoul dbe a -nolisten tcp there... comment it out |
| 13:30.36 | LPenguin | xchat is the king of IRC |
| 13:30.40 | kbrooks | DeeJay, i asked you |
| 13:30.41 | streuner | DeeJay: That wasn't the QUESTION, The fucking question was that you didn't get what we posted you... |
| 13:30.45 | nvz | I use xchat on wintendos if I must use wintendo.. but I really dont like it. its not irssi |
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| 13:30.53 | DeeJay | streuner yea? |
| 13:30.57 | streuner | yeah |
| 13:31.07 | DeeJay | i saw what was posted |
| 13:31.07 | asg | !start an irc client war |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | MS Comic Chat sucks |
| 13:31.10 | xk | kbrooks: I'll cut the caps when you stop talking in that way. |
| 13:31.10 | nagual | nvz: depends on how you use irc. or at least it is to me :) |
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| 13:31.14 | DeeJay | [14:18:36] <Pappa> !tell DeeJay about d-i |
| 13:31.17 | nagual | err, to me it depends. |
| 13:31.17 | DeeJay | [14:22:29] <stouset> !tell DeeJay about d-i |
| 13:31.18 | holycow | asg, hahaha |
| 13:31.18 | DeeJay | etc |
| 13:31.19 | kbrooks | xk, in what way |
| 13:31.27 | xk | "cut" |
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| 13:31.28 | DeeJay | But wtf? Usally some bot would pm me |
| 13:31.31 | xk | is that some lame american shit? |
| 13:31.34 | asg | holycow: though the Tiki head had some great facial expressions. |
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| 13:31.44 | xk | don't get me wrong |
| 13:31.52 | xk | another one that shits me. |
| 13:31.52 | kbrooks | xk, no |
| 13:31.54 | asg | DeeJay: the bot was told, by stouset, to give you information. |
| 13:32.09 | nvz | nagual: of course you know... in Soviet Russia IRC uses you! |
| 13:32.12 | DeeJay | And i didnt get any |
| 13:32.13 | Gnurdux | im runbning gnome on debian, and if i select "enable soudn server startup" in gnome sound config, sound stops working |
| 13:32.18 | peppo | I cannot get FLAC or Shorten working in Debian unstable. FLAC because the libxmms-flac plugin requires libFLAC4.so, which Debian does not have. the libxmms-shn plugin does not work at all. |
| 13:32.21 | DeeJay | So i thought, wtf - New term for rtfm? |
| 13:32.26 | nagual | im not in russia, im in the real world |
| 13:32.27 | kbrooks | nvz, ussr = soviet = '' |
| 13:32.29 | DeeJay | But what does that have to do with my irc client? |
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| 13:32.39 | asg | DeeJay: some irc clients don't work correctly |
| 13:32.40 | stouset | DeeJay: Because the message *was* sent to you |
| 13:32.49 | xk | DeeJay: well... those who use a specific irc client reflects their intelligence. |
| 13:32.54 | stouset | !tell DeeJay about d-i |
| 13:32.57 | kbrooks | xk, not so |
| 13:32.57 | LPenguin | Gnurdux do you need the sound server |
| 13:32.58 | streuner | DeeJay: if you aren't familar with it, just use something which is easy to use |
| 13:33.03 | stouset | that *should* give you a message from dpkg. |
| 13:33.07 | DeeJay | This is nearly as lame as quakenet server |
| 13:33.10 | Gnurdux | well supertux sound sounds choppy wihtout it |
| 13:33.10 | kbrooks | xk, lamers dont use mirc. newbies do |
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| 13:33.24 | DeeJay | This is waste of time for me |
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| 13:33.27 | Gnurdux | and only supertux soudn seems to work |
| 13:33.28 | kbrooks | xk, i was a newbie and i used mirc |
| 13:33.35 | asg | what a fucking moron |
| 13:33.40 | LPenguin | Gnurdux: I guess youd have to reinstantiate the connection |
| 13:33.41 | xk | I only used mirc once... and I _hated it_ |
| 13:33.47 | Gnurdux | maybe thats because you need sound server |
| 13:33.49 | nvz | I'll put some Duracell alkalines in this damn cd player, and it better not give me any shit... it was crapping out on me yesturday with those recargables |
| 13:33.50 | xk | for like... one minute ;) |
| 13:33.53 | kbrooks | xk, when? |
| 13:33.53 | Gnurdux | for even sounds |
| 13:33.56 | drac | 2.6.11.5 was released.. hour ago? This is getting kind of funny :) |
| 13:34.00 | xk | kbrooks: like... maybe 8 years ago. |
| 13:34.00 | LPenguin | im glad that idiot DeeJay jhas left |
| 13:34.10 | xk | I did use wsirc though ;) |
| 13:34.15 | xk | but that was before my linux days. |
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| 13:34.24 | kbrooks | xk, 8 years ago was when mirc was in its infancy |
| 13:34.27 | grivell | drac: It is the way it should be. |
| 13:34.29 | LPenguin | Gnurdux yeah |
| 13:34.48 | xk | kbrooks: so what? it doesn't look different from the screenshots I've seen in the last few years. |
| 13:34.50 | xk | it's all the same. |
| 13:34.50 | Gnurdux | so why does it prevent all sound from working? |
| 13:34.54 | Gnurdux | im using ALSA |
| 13:34.55 | xk | unless it's been riced up since XP has been released. |
| 13:35.04 | Gnurdux | now, suopertux sound is grayed out |
| 13:35.09 | kbrooks | "riced up"? |
| 13:35.13 | marinos | oh my god |
| 13:35.14 | Gnurdux | and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 13:35.17 | Gnurdux | does nothing |
| 13:35.26 | kbrooks | well, I can tell you one thing, xk. |
| 13:35.28 | xk | kbrooks: made into eyecandy. |
| 13:35.32 | kbrooks | mirc |
| 13:35.51 | Gnurdux | ? |
| 13:36.02 | kbrooks | h/o. |
| 13:36.05 | Gnurdux | LPenguin what do oyu mean reinstantiate? |
| 13:36.06 | nvz | Gnurdux: it sends uniformly random data to your sound cards dsp |
| 13:36.09 | Gnurdux | how do you do that? |
| 13:36.13 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 13:36.19 | LPenguin | Gnurdux reconnect |
| 13:36.20 | Gnurdux | it usually makes a static liek sound |
| 13:36.27 | Gnurdux | how do you do that? |
| 13:36.41 | nvz | Gnurdux: so check the mixer, and plug the speakers in.. turn em on.. etc |
| 13:36.52 | Gnurdux | the mixer works |
| 13:36.54 | kbrooks | xk: mircc scripting isnt programming |
| 13:37.19 | LPenguin | Gnurdux check your settings on the server |
| 13:37.23 | LPenguin | change the config file |
| 13:37.30 | Gnurdux | what is the default server? |
| 13:37.33 | Gnurdux | arts? |
| 13:37.51 | LPenguin | and to recconect to the server simply restart the programs that use sound |
| 13:37.52 | cahoot | Gnurdux: if you don't have aslas oss emulation installed nothing will produce sound via /dev/dsp |
| 13:37.59 | xk | kbrooks: yeah. that's another thing that makes me vomit. |
| 13:38.16 | Gnurdux | i do have alsa osas emulation |
| 13:38.24 | Gnurdux | /dev/dsp WORKS without the server |
| 13:38.46 | xk | kbrooks: I tried to "port" an mirc script. but it was so... crap... that you couldn't reproduce the same function elsewhere. |
| 13:38.49 | Gnurdux | i just unplugged and replugged my speak |
| 13:38.54 | xk | and it made zero sense. |
| 13:38.54 | xk | heh |
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| 13:39.20 | kbrooks | port an mirc script to what language? |
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| 13:39.33 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 13:39.34 | xk | hrm... to tcl or perl... |
| 13:39.58 | LPenguin | xk id always go with perl |
| 13:39.58 | xk | I don't recall... but it was impossible to do so. |
| 13:39.58 | ribnitz | got a sound problem, no stereo recording with m,y soundcard in linux. |
| 13:39.58 | soweto | xk, that didnt wrk, any other suggestion please |
| 13:39.58 | peppo | I cannot get FLAC or Shorten working in Debian unstable. FLAC because the libxmms-flac plugin requires libFLAC4.so, which Debian does not have. the libxmms-shn plugin does not work at all. |
| 13:40.04 | Chameleon22 | besides k3b what other burner software is there for linux (with DVD writing support)? |
| 13:40.05 | soweto | just need to open connections to X11 from the network |
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| 13:40.12 | peppo | I linked flac6 to flac4, but that only gives "invalid flac file" in xmms |
| 13:40.18 | xk | LPenguin: yeah. same here. look at dpkg/apt the bot :) |
| 13:40.18 | kbrooks | events dont fit in perl, especically if its for sockets |
| 13:40.27 | ribnitz | I cannot get my mic input to stereo recording |
| 13:40.44 | xk | kbrooks: well... what about Net::IRC? |
| 13:41.47 | kbrooks | i know about that, but im talking mirc script events |
| 13:42.16 | xk | kbrooks: yeah... well... it was some of the mirc internal stuff that spun me out. |
| 13:42.24 | LPenguin | mirc scripting is useless and only has purpose for spamming |
| 13:42.47 | kbrooks | LPenguin, not so |
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| 13:43.18 | LPenguin | kbrooks what other use have you found |
| 13:43.25 | xk | mirc is good for picking up women |
| 13:43.29 | kbrooks | LPenguin, a webserver |
| 13:43.32 | LPenguin | lol as is any irc client |
| 13:43.46 | LPenguin | you use mirc as a webserver? |
| 13:43.50 | xk | a webserver running in mirc? |
| 13:43.59 | LPenguin | XD |
| 13:44.05 | xk | fserves are crap aswell |
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| 13:44.10 | grivell | peppo: You can always try Xine, amaroK, Juk, Rhythmbox, etc for flac. |
| 13:44.20 | LPenguin | why not just use apache httpd ? |
| 13:44.21 | Pappa | i like thttpd |
| 13:44.23 | kbrooks | no |
| 13:44.27 | ix | flac! <3 |
| 13:44.33 | kbrooks | i amin lnux |
| 13:44.38 | kbrooks | windows gone |
| 13:44.43 | Pappa | lighthttpd is sweet too but heavy |
| 13:44.49 | LPenguin | so? apache was originally for linux lol |
| 13:44.50 | kbrooks | in* linux* |
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| 13:45.08 | kbrooks | xk, yes a webserver running in mirc |
| 13:45.18 | xk | how many requests can it handle per second? |
| 13:45.19 | xk | heh |
| 13:45.35 | helix | wtf |
| 13:45.39 | ix | apache was for unix platform |
| 13:45.39 | ix | s |
| 13:45.42 | LPenguin | 0.00000001 ? |
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| 13:45.48 | p88 | hi all |
| 13:45.56 | kbrooks | xk, dude |
| 13:46.00 | xk | well, if it can't serve porn on a webserver running through mirc, it's worth nothing. |
| 13:46.02 | p88 | how do I change the default windowmanager? |
| 13:46.02 | helix | and now we have aol.com ... |
| 13:46.07 | p88 | i.e. x-window-manager |
| 13:46.08 | kbrooks | on mirc, i used to use a webserver |
| 13:46.14 | LPenguin | p88 on deb? |
| 13:46.14 | p88 | it is set to metacity |
| 13:46.18 | p88 | on debian |
| 13:46.24 | kbrooks | i think it was okay |
| 13:46.42 | stouset | p88: what's wrong with metacity? :-) |
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| 13:46.57 | streuner | xk: hehe :-) |
| 13:46.58 | p88 | I can't make new windows |
| 13:47.04 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: athlon 64 3000+? :) |
| 13:47.09 | p88 | it is for the vnc server |
| 13:47.20 | LPenguin | i never minded metacity, it did its job and reasonably fast, it just hasnt got the luxury of gnome or kde |
| 13:47.22 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, 3200+ :) |
| 13:47.25 | stouset | p88: Um, that's not a problem with the window manager... |
| 13:47.42 | p88 | what is the problem then? |
| 13:47.46 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: hehehe. I have a 3000+... but not running any 64bit kernel/stuff yet. |
| 13:47.54 | stouset | p88: Wish to hell I knew, but I can tell you it's not the WM |
| 13:48.09 | p88 | are there keys to call a menu or so? |
| 13:48.10 | LPenguin | xk whens the new 64bit kernel out? |
| 13:48.11 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, im running ubuntu AMD64 on a test partition, not as my main OS.. compatibility with 32 bit stuff is still hard |
| 13:48.13 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: what are you using to downclock the cpu? |
| 13:48.20 | p88 | or press a mouse key or so? |
| 13:48.35 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, powernowd.. it's setup by default in ubuntu, so I dont know exactly how it's doing it :) |
| 13:48.44 | xk | LPenguin: it's out. just that I don't want to move to pure 64bit yet. |
| 13:48.53 | streuner | xk: i thought you need that only for gentoo ;-) |
| 13:49.05 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, but there's a cool little panel applet which tells me what my CPU speed is.. 1GHz at the moment.. if I do something intensive, it goes up to 2.2GHz |
| 13:49.08 | LPenguin | ste stable 64bit is out? |
| 13:49.15 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: know what options it uses? I found that after a few days, the powernow driver appears to fail and then somehow fixes itself afterwards if you restart powernowd a few times. |
| 13:49.20 | LPenguin | the* |
| 13:49.26 | p88 | stouset: is it impossible to change x-window-manager? |
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| 13:49.32 | LPenguin | p88 no |
| 13:49.42 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, i havent run ubuntu for more than a few hours, so I don't know about that |
| 13:49.46 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: I'm trying to hit the issue again with debugging enabled. |
| 13:49.48 | LPenguin | but it doesnt sound like the managers fault |
| 13:49.48 | p88 | oh :-\ |
| 13:49.58 | p88 | windowmaker works well on the vnc server |
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| 13:50.16 | LPenguin | p88 try window blackbox and see if that works |
| 13:50.16 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: 2.2ghz? do you have the old (120nm) athlon? |
| 13:50.28 | LPenguin | running, not window even |
| 13:50.34 | p88 | blackbox is a windowmanager? |
| 13:50.38 | LPenguin | yeah |
| 13:50.41 | p88 | ok |
| 13:50.44 | streuner | !info blackbox |
| 13:50.46 | dpkg | blackbox: (Window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.65.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 266 kB, Installed size: 996 kB |
| 13:50.46 | ix | blackbox! |
| 13:50.54 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, yeah it's not the 90nm one.. socket 7xx |
| 13:50.58 | p88 | installing |
| 13:51.10 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: ahh... I have the 939/90nm version. |
| 13:51.12 | p88 | installed |
| 13:51.21 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, there was a 2GHz with 1MB cache one, and a 2.2GHz with a 512kb cache.. I have the latter |
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| 13:51.31 | LPenguin | that bot is too damn clever |
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| 13:51.55 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart LPenguin |
| 13:52.02 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: that's weird. mine is 1.8ghz/512kb but rated 3000+ |
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| 13:52.21 | p88 | ok blackbox works |
| 13:52.21 | LPenguin | alive* |
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| 13:52.29 | LPenguin | properly? |
| 13:52.30 | ribnitz | how do I set a mic plug top stereo with amixer (or any other tool)? |
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| 13:52.43 | p88 | yes |
| 13:52.45 | p88 | properly |
| 13:52.55 | p88 | where is the menu of blackbox changed? |
| 13:52.57 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: It took me 6 years to upgrade my machine :) and it was worth the wait, heh. |
| 13:52.58 | p88 | I'll keep it |
| 13:53.07 | mirak | grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 13:53.07 | mirak | /dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 13:53.11 | p88 | there is a menu with xterm in it |
| 13:53.15 | p88 | but xterm is not installed |
| 13:53.19 | mirak | I try to install a bootblock from a live cd and I get this error |
| 13:53.20 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: it's cooler than my old processor! |
| 13:53.23 | LPenguin | lol blackbox is too stripped down for that. |
| 13:53.25 | p88 | how is that menu changed? |
| 13:53.28 | p88 | what? |
| 13:53.29 | p88 | :( |
| 13:53.29 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, yeah this was a 3 year upgrade.. from a 1.4GHz athlon tbird.. this is nicer all round.. cooler, less power, and way faster |
| 13:53.36 | LPenguin | i was just running a test |
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| 13:53.43 | LPenguin | perhaps it is metactiys fault |
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| 13:53.49 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: mine was dual celeron (300mhz)... a major upgrade ;) |
| 13:54.10 | xk | my 486 has an amd processor |
| 13:54.11 | holycow | az[a]zel_ubuntu, i still have my 1.4 ghz tbird :) |
| 13:54.12 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, well before my 1.4GHz tbird, I had a Cyrix PR233 with 32MB RAM :) so that was pretty good, heh |
| 13:54.20 | holycow | don't really need anything more powerfull right now |
| 13:54.31 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 13:54.36 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | I wanted to play doom 3 at a decent frame rate, hence the upgrade, heh |
| 13:54.38 | holycow | hola streuner :) |
| 13:54.42 | streuner | :-) |
| 13:54.45 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: i used to have a cyrix 166mhz lol |
| 13:54.46 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: cyrix is _crap_. I had a cyrix PR200 (via chipset) that performed worse than a p120 with an intel chipset. |
| 13:54.54 | ix | why does everyone write "powerfull"? |
| 13:54.59 | holycow | az[a]zel_ubuntu, i think gamers are the ones pushing the entire pc industry forward |
| 13:55.08 | holycow | without them 600k really would of been enough |
| 13:55.10 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 13:55.13 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, yeah they suck.. it's now sitting in my room collecting dust, with a dead 8GB drive in it |
| 13:55.14 | LPenguin | yeah lol |
| 13:55.18 | xk | heh |
| 13:55.28 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | Holborn, heh |
| 13:55.30 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | whoops |
| 13:55.31 | stuartSan | hm, i installed bittornado through apt-get, but am not sure how to use it. |
| 13:55.33 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | holycow, heh |
| 13:55.36 | xk | anyone know if 128meg sdram is accepted into p1 machines? |
| 13:55.42 | LPenguin | and microsoft with their ever "better" graphics engines, where better = eats more power :| |
| 13:55.45 | xk | or is the limit 64meg per slot? |
| 13:55.50 | streuner | stuartSan: there is an easy solution |
| 13:55.55 | stuartSan | when i download a .torrent file, which out of the 20+ bittorent files is the real bittornado? |
| 13:55.56 | holycow | stuartSan, just double click on a bittorent link in your browser |
| 13:56.01 | streuner | stuartSan: just don't use it then :-) |
| 13:56.07 | holycow | it should let you use bittornade from gui |
| 13:56.25 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: which mb brand do you have? |
| 13:56.27 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | LPenguin, hey, x.org will have all fancy 3d accelerated effects soon... can't wait for my K or Gnome foot menu to have smoke particle effects :) |
| 13:56.37 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, gigabyte K8T800 Pro |
| 13:56.38 | holycow | az[a]zel_ubuntu, hahaha |
| 13:56.40 | holycow | me too actually |
| 13:56.41 | stuartSan | my default program is bittorrent, but i wanna use bittornado for the extra customization instead.. it wouldn't let me use tornado though |
| 13:57.04 | holycow | stuartSan, bittornado replaces bittorrent |
| 13:57.16 | holycow | check our /usr/bin, the files arew in there |
| 13:57.18 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: i cant wait for the water reflections reflecting the fog |
| 13:57.25 | holycow | you need to point it to btdownloadgui, or whatever it is |
| 13:57.28 | LPenguin | :\ |
| 13:57.41 | stuartSan | not in my case though |
| 13:57.44 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | LPenguin, I want a cell shaded desktop, with everything popping around and animated like in a cartoon :) |
| 13:57.54 | holycow | if you used apt to install it, they are in there |
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| 13:58.05 | holycow | if they arent in there you have bigger problems than you realize |
| 13:58.06 | xk | CPU Fan: 3835 RPM MB Temp: +36 C CPU Temp: +46.0 C |
| 13:58.14 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: its called windows longhorn :~ |
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| 13:58.20 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | LPenguin, heh |
| 13:58.32 | holycow | oh you mean bittorrent wasn't replaced with bittornado? |
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| 13:58.39 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, I can't get temp monitoring to work with mine |
| 13:58.39 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: with added trusted computing bollocks that rules your life |
| 13:58.53 | FieldySnuts | bittornado is just another BT client |
| 13:58.55 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: stock kernel? tried sensors-detect? |
| 13:58.59 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | LPenguin, yay... |
| 13:59.04 | stuartSan | i used apt, installed it, but in /usr/bin there's like 20+ files with the name blabla.bittorent, or btheader or btrename etc. |
| 13:59.12 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, nah i dont run debian actually.. running ubuntu and mandrake 10, heh |
| 13:59.18 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: yeah, it was slightly pain in the ass for me... but eventually I found it. |
| 13:59.25 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: same diff... you should have the same tools installed. |
| 13:59.27 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: yeah, i look forward to being sold a cd at regular price that can only play 3 times and then self destructs... |
| 13:59.34 | ix | 932RPM - CPU 34C, MB 32C |
| 13:59.34 | holycow | stuartSan, check for ones with 'gui' in them |
| 13:59.34 | ix | :D |
| 13:59.50 | xk | ix: cool. I can't spin my fan down past 3000rpm :( |
| 13:59.56 | xk | damn crappy bios. |
| 14:00.12 | streuner | xk: heh? |
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| 14:00.45 | ix | Hehe, xk. I've got a 120mm zalman-heatsink/fan. The BIOS just goes crazy, as the fan spins at a way to lov rate for it. |
| 14:00.47 | xk | streuner: what? the divisor? |
| 14:00.47 | streuner | Or isn't that possible? |
| 14:00.48 | ix | low* |
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| 14:01.01 | streuner | speed of the fan |
| 14:01.04 | holycow | stuartSan, maybe uninstall bittorent and tornado, and just install tornado, and point it to that |
| 14:01.05 | xk | ix: ahhh... I have a stock hs/fan. |
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| 14:01.26 | holycow | i havent used bittornado since i download auzareus |
| 14:01.30 | xk | ix: I have a tube stuck to the side of my case, with vents... so the cpu gets cool air :) |
| 14:01.36 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, hmm just installed lmsensors, but now I want a pretty gnome applet to show me the CPU temp :) |
| 14:01.40 | helix | there's also qtorrent |
| 14:01.58 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: run sensors-detect... and see if it detects anything... then add the modules to /etc/modules |
| 14:02.01 | asg | az[a]zel_ubuntu: then use gtkrellm or one of the gdesklets |
| 14:02.02 | streuner | gkellm? |
| 14:02.05 | LPenguin | az[a]zel_ubuntu: i cant believe MS used the avalon engine from UT to make a bloody desktop. its going to look shit |
| 14:02.07 | xk | az[a]zel_ubuntu: then "sensors"... if that works. you can use your pretty applet. |
| 14:02.10 | drac | qtorrent is nice.. |
| 14:02.11 | streuner | oh, an applet |
| 14:02.31 | Voltholder | :) |
| 14:02.34 | LPenguin | i like shareaza - automatic torrent handling |
| 14:02.57 | xk | mldonkey accepts torrent? |
| 14:03.19 | stuartSan | hm.. still don't seem to be able to run tornado |
| 14:03.40 | Voltholder | Hello. I am first time at irc, Are there somebody from poland ? |
| 14:03.53 | asg | Voltholder: try #debian-pl or #debian.pl |
| 14:03.56 | stuartSan | trying qtorrent then |
| 14:04.01 | ix | xk, i have an 120mm inlet fan and an 120mm outlet fan ;D |
| 14:04.20 | ix | so it's cool enough. |
| 14:04.20 | ix | stability is a must. |
| 14:04.20 | Voltholder | asg | thanks |
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| 14:04.21 | LPenguin | anyway Im out of here I have a life to get back to |
| 14:04.22 | asg | Voltholder: you're welcome |
| 14:04.35 | LPenguin | actually I lie, I have to do some SSH |
| 14:04.41 | Voltholder | ok then maybe i will be later. thx and good bye |
| 14:04.42 | xk | ix: on the case? doesn't that cause vibration and noise? |
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| 14:04.55 | stuartSan | drac, do you get to customise download speeds on qtorrent |
| 14:04.55 | LPenguin | quit leave me outta this |
| 14:04.59 | xk | ix: unless it's running at 1000 rpm :) then it's no question. |
| 14:05.38 | stuartSan | cos sometimes i'd want to use my bandwidth for something else and give less priority to torrents |
| 14:05.38 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | xk, ok my CPU temp is 32C :) |
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| 14:06.46 | Voltholder | :) |
| 14:06.53 | b_52GM | hi |
| 14:06.56 | xk | hrm... I wonder where the fan setting is in my bios... |
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| 14:07.13 | xk | there's enable/disable q-fan (asus)... but nothing about setting minimum speed :( |
| 14:07.32 | holycow | az[a]zel_ubuntu LPenguin, I want a cell shaded desktop, with everything popping around and animated like in a cartoon :) <-- hahaha |
| 14:07.39 | holycow | oh man when we get xorg goodies .... |
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| 14:07.47 | holycow | maya/xsi/gimp here i come |
| 14:07.50 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | heh |
| 14:07.59 | Visiteur | hello pourrais je avoir un petit coup de main please |
| 14:08.00 | holycow | fucking themes will be like 700 megs |
| 14:08.00 | holycow | :) |
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| 14:08.09 | xk | damn mb doesn't support pwm either. |
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| 14:08.31 | asg | !fr |
| 14:08.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:08.34 | asg | Visiteur: ^^^ |
| 14:08.39 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | bah ubuntu repositories don't hvae gkrellm |
| 14:08.46 | b_52GM | ! |
| 14:08.54 | holycow | what is this sensors-detect package you guys are talking about? i can't find it in a repository ... url? |
| 14:09.04 | xk | dpkg: find sensors-detect |
| 14:09.06 | caphuso | it's a command name, not a package name |
| 14:09.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sensors-detect' (1): (/usr/sbin/sensors-detect) in utils/lm-sensors. |
| 14:09.13 | pwned | what is the size of a minimal debian unstable bootstrap? |
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| 14:09.21 | holycow | oh! |
| 14:09.24 | holycow | danke |
| 14:09.52 | stuartSan | how do see the size of a file? |
| 14:09.59 | FieldySnuts | man ls |
| 14:10.01 | asg | stuartSan: ls -l <file> |
| 14:10.20 | pwned | I want to check if the size of some packages will add up to less than a certain amount of megabytes, and I need to know what is the barebones debian testing or unstable size |
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| 14:10.42 | streuner | pwned: about 1 or 2 Megs |
| 14:10.56 | streuner | pwned: dbootstrap is about 1 or 2 MB |
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| 14:11.42 | Voltholder | i have 1 question! When i write /join #(***) . If that channel dosn't exist, then i create it? or not? |
| 14:11.54 | streuner | the first one |
| 14:11.54 | Voltholder | doesn't* |
| 14:11.55 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 14:12.22 | asg | Visiteur: yes, it will create it if it doesn't exist |
| 14:12.22 | Voltholder | thanks |
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| 14:12.25 | nonix4 | Voltholder: create as long as... well, unless you manage to get yourself K-lined |
| 14:12.28 | pwned | streuner, well not barebones, it will need basic posix utilities, login, ethernet support, multimedia modules support, etc. I mean barebones which would support a desktop |
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| 14:13.26 | streuner | pwned: never used dbootstrap, but you can use it to get those packages in order to make a debian system then |
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| 14:13.53 | pwned | OKay I'll check it out thanks streuner |
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| 14:16.29 | clusty | i wonder if the sources for openoffice 2 beta are available (the standard testing repository does not include it nor could I find it on the web site)? |
| 14:16.47 | streuner | clusty: /list #debian-oo |
| 14:16.47 | holycow | No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. <-- mkdev.sh cannot be located on the system, what does that refer to specifically? |
| 14:16.52 | marinos | is /dev/zero and /dev/null the same thing ? |
| 14:16.58 | xk | marinos: no. |
| 14:16.59 | asg | marinos: no |
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| 14:17.09 | marinos | whats the difference ? |
| 14:17.18 | caphuso | major and minor numbers |
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| 14:17.30 | streuner | marinos: are bananas and apples are the same? ;-) |
| 14:17.36 | xk | null is a blackhole... zero gives 0x00 endlessly. |
| 14:17.40 | caphuso | also "man null" |
| 14:18.40 | clusty | streuner: tnax |
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| 14:19.11 | marinos | ohhh is see now |
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| 14:19.23 | streuner | holycow: sounds like you have udev or devfs installed? |
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| 14:20.03 | holycow | streuner, udev, i'll muck about this later, i gotta things to learn this weekend :) |
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| 14:20.24 | streuner | holycow: no need ;-), apt-get remove udev |
| 14:20.42 | holycow | streuner, hehehe :) but, but, but, but, thats way too practical! |
| 14:21.08 | streuner | hm, well good luck then |
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| 14:22.20 | infoFish | hello there |
| 14:22.24 | holycow | lol, *nod* the future is udev however soo .... i gotta learn to live with it |
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| 14:22.52 | infoFish | can anyone tell me which is faster overall - suse 9.2 or debian sarge? |
| 14:23.02 | infoFish | i'm installing (GUI to be determined) on some older hardware |
| 14:23.10 | xk | on what hardware? |
| 14:23.19 | streuner | well, if even kernel-hacker gets headaches how should we learn that without headaches? ;-) |
| 14:23.27 | infoFish | dell inspiron 4000 |
| 14:23.31 | xk | well.. it depends if you install a DE or just a WM |
| 14:23.41 | holycow | heh :) |
| 14:23.42 | gridline | streuner, Denial? |
| 14:23.48 | infoFish | it will be one of icewm, xfce, kde (3.4 if i can manage it), or gnome |
| 14:23.50 | xk | infoFish: specs. I have no need for commercial model numbers with no value. |
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| 14:23.54 | dozer | I've plugged my ipaq into the USB port of my debian box |
| 14:24.05 | infoFish | oh, sorry. p3 laptop |
| 14:24.05 | dozer | an extra entry has appeared in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 14:24.13 | xk | infoFish: speed? ram? |
| 14:24.36 | dozer | how do I now do something useful with it, e.g. talk to it? |
| 14:26.25 | streuner | holycow: how come that you have udev installed now? |
| 14:26.32 | infoFish | xk: p3 601MHz, 128 MB RAM |
| 14:26.39 | xk | infoFish: ram is a bit low. |
| 14:26.42 | streuner | holycow: You removed that bitch and installed it new? |
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| 14:26.58 | xk | infoFish: you're better off not trying kde or gnome. |
| 14:27.04 | brosio | how could i register nick ? |
| 14:27.16 | infoFish | i see. even kde 3.4? it's supposedly faster |
| 14:27.17 | streuner | brosio: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:27.21 | asg | dozer: it depends on if it can work as a usb storage device (/msg dpkg usb-storage). Otherwise, you can probably only do minimal sync with it (apt-cache search multisync) |
| 14:27.34 | holycow | streuner, actually i have been just dist upgrading, udev came into debian testing a while back i guess? |
| 14:27.40 | infoFish | my goal is to install the various desktops and let the user pick |
| 14:27.56 | infoFish | the install is a bit easier on suse, but i had heard debian was faster |
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| 14:28.02 | Tremebung | hi |
| 14:28.09 | streuner | holycow: you can remove udev safely any time you want |
| 14:28.17 | Tremebung | somebody knows which is the default wm used by gnome? |
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| 14:28.42 | holycow | streuner, really? i'll haveto play with that on a test machien sometime |
| 14:28.43 | mwilson | Tremebung: metacity, just like the documentation says. |
| 14:28.47 | streuner | formely sawfish, metacity nowadays |
| 14:29.02 | ruzbeh | how do i install xfree86? |
| 14:29.05 | infoFish | xk: so the question is not which wm to use, but given any wm, which linux would run faster on such hardware overall |
| 14:29.13 | streuner | !tell ruzbeh about setup x |
| 14:29.15 | asg | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:29.41 | ruzbeh | awesome, thanks |
| 14:29.58 | asg | ruzbeh: also, see the FAQ (/msg dpkg faq) |
| 14:29.59 | xk | infoFish: the most minimalistic wm you can find ;) like icewm, fluxbox, maybe metacity?. I use afterstep. |
| 14:30.06 | stuartSan | okay i supposedly need java, do i apt-get install java |
| 14:30.29 | soto | ion2 |
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| 14:30.35 | Tremebung | infoFish i'm not sure about it. when i run gnome it says i'm not using a compliant wm |
| 14:30.47 | infoFish | xk: icewm is a possibility...as i said i'll let the user choose the balance between eye candy and speed. but given any GUI, which distro is liable to run quicker? |
| 14:30.54 | gridline | Hmmm, I can't seem to succesfully add devices to my software raid array via mdadm.conf "DEVICE /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 ;ARRAY /dev/md0 devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 auto=md" what am I not getting? |
| 14:31.08 | Pappa | evilwm <3 |
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| 14:31.13 | dozer | asg: thx. One site I read said that on plugging in my iPaq, I should be able to get up a network adaptor called usb0 |
| 14:31.14 | xk | infoFish: well... I'm not sure about mandrake... but I presume it will install a DE instead of just a standlone WM. |
| 14:31.36 | asg | dozer: hmmm, that I don't know, but handhelds.org might have information. |
| 14:31.54 | infoFish | xk: that's ok. i think it's a given that i'll be installing at least a minimal De since it's not the most technical user. and i think at this point my "which distro" question boils down to either debian or suse |
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| 14:32.17 | xk | infoFish: there is no such tihng as a minimal DE... if you want minimal, don't install a DE. |
| 14:32.27 | xk | what you want is just a window manager... that's it. |
| 14:32.52 | xk | infoFish: I've seen gnome make a 512meg machine (relatively) crawl :) |
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| 14:33.08 | infoFish | xk: ok. well, let's say i do just install a wm. will debian or suse run faster under those conditions? |
| 14:33.18 | scytheman_ | debian |
| 14:33.25 | xk | to tell you the truth, I prefer debian's flexibility. |
| 14:33.30 | soto | i get an scsi error when my pc boot and my parallel port zip doesnt work. if i do modprobe -r imm and modprobe imm then it works fine. how could i correct this? |
| 14:33.32 | xk | suse... I hate anything that uses rpm |
| 14:34.02 | valdyn_ | infoFish: no reason why any should be faster than the other _after_ you adjusted it to your needs |
| 14:34.04 | xk | soto: add the modules to /etc/modules? |
| 14:34.19 | xk | what's modprobe -r? |
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| 14:34.37 | asg | xk: remove module option |
| 14:34.37 | xk | hrm... remove. |
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| 14:34.59 | valdyn_ | infoFish: except for compiler - specific issues i suppose, but that is to small to matter for a "desktop" |
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| 14:35.09 | xk | soto: so the module is loaded on boot... but doesn't work? if you remove it then add it again, it works? |
| 14:35.19 | soto | xk: imm its in /etc/modules but i get an scsi error when kernel loads the module at boot |
| 14:35.25 | soto | xk: thats it |
| 14:35.30 | xk | hrm... weird. |
| 14:35.37 | xk | do you have hotplug installed? |
| 14:35.41 | soto | it works if i remove it an add it again |
| 14:35.47 | denniston2 | i need some help setting up my wireless card...could someone help |
| 14:35.54 | soto | xk: yep, i use hotplug |
| 14:36.03 | valdyn_ | !tell denniston2 about ask |
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| 14:36.21 | xk | soto: oh... on boot... is there a zip disk in the drive? |
| 14:36.30 | soto | xk: perhaps its hotplug the problem? |
| 14:36.54 | xk | soto: well... hotplug automatically loads the module... it seems to work fine for me (for the devices I have, but no zip drive) |
| 14:36.55 | soto | xk: yes, i'd tried it with and without disk and get the same error |
| 14:37.18 | valdyn_ | soto: what exactly is the scsi error you are getting? |
| 14:37.36 | soto | hotplug doesnt load the imm module for me |
| 14:37.43 | xk | it doesn't or does? |
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| 14:38.29 | xk | how about loading the modules imm depends on first? |
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| 14:38.49 | xk | (it should automatically do it for you anyway... hrm) |
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| 14:39.03 | soto | /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target6/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 |
| 14:39.31 | soto | hiotplug doesnt load the module |
| 14:39.37 | denniston2 | i have a Dlink G520 I downloaded madwifi with apt-get / synaptic (i didn't get madwifi-modules-2.4.24-isgee-neptun-1, or madwifi-source did I need those) now that the madwifi is dl'd and it did somehting in a konsole window, what do I do next??? |
| 14:39.41 | soto | i put it in /etc/modules |
| 14:39.48 | ildegar | i had a electricity shortage and when i turned my computer on and ran su, passw it says: configuration error - unknown item '.BR' (notify administrator) + ~100 of more like that |
| 14:39.48 | valdyn_ | soto: that looks like something is wrong with your parallel port |
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| 14:40.05 | denniston2 | i've very new to linux |
| 14:40.35 | soto | thanks valdyn_, perhaps i need to set my parport to EPP or ECP only? |
| 14:40.37 | infoFish | valdyn_: i see. thanks. so probably i should just go with whichever distro supports the hardware better. |
| 14:40.47 | holycow | denniston2, welcome |
| 14:40.53 | denniston2 | hi |
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| 14:41.14 | brosio | anyone use bluej for java ? |
| 14:41.17 | denniston2 | holycow: did you see my question? |
| 14:41.43 | holycow | yes, and i dunno, i don't use that card my self :/ sorry |
| 14:41.52 | ruzbeh | is the debian official website going to get updated anytime soon? I think it looks like po0p |
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| 14:41.57 | holycow | there must be something on google about that |
| 14:42.16 | FieldySnuts | @troll ruzbeh |
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| 14:42.23 | denniston2 | yeah there's lots on there, but I don't see anythign about using the apt-get to get it |
| 14:42.34 | xk | ruzbeh: what do you want? somethin that contains more eye candy than content? |
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| 14:42.50 | nvz | ruzbeh: the debian website is updated quite frequently. if you mean is it going to be completly redesigned, the answer is no. its been this way for years. |
| 14:42.50 | valdyn_ | denniston2: are you running a debian kernel? or a custom one? |
| 14:42.59 | mirak | how can I install a boot block from a live cd ? |
| 14:43.00 | ruzbeh | xk, nope, something like www.gentoo.org, nice clean looking fonts, nice overview and stuff |
| 14:43.06 | ruzbeh | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 14:43.07 | denniston2 | it's a custom one |
| 14:43.17 | denniston2 | i'm running MEPIS |
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| 14:43.31 | FieldySnuts | devs are already overloaded enough with whining "where's sarge" people without worrying about that |
| 14:43.34 | valdyn_ | !mepis |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 14:43.37 | holycow | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=138301&cid=11573534 <-- hehe, best post ever |
| 14:43.43 | holycow | i love his emacs name :) |
| 14:43.44 | xk | bah @ www.gentoo.org having width > 600 |
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| 14:43.50 | valdyn_ | denniston2: /j #mepis |
| 14:43.51 | FieldySnuts | well, talk to mepis userse then. you're in the wrong place (look at the topic) |
| 14:44.04 | nvz | ruzbeh: the www.debian.org looks better to me, gentoo.org I have to scroll side to side, its greater than 600 |
| 14:44.13 | denniston2 | there's no on in the mepis chanel |
| 14:44.24 | xk | nvz: yep. exactly the same complaint as I have! |
| 14:44.27 | FieldySnuts | that's not our problem, you're still in the wrong channel |
| 14:44.31 | FieldySnuts | now fuck off already |
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| 14:44.42 | lewis | ahoy there |
| 14:44.46 | helix | um |
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| 14:44.48 | xk | I tried the "about gentoo" page... and it had an image width enough that you need a 1600x1200 screen ;) |
| 14:44.48 | FieldySnuts | ahoy matey |
| 14:44.48 | denniston2 | no thanks |
| 14:44.55 | nvz | xk: I am on a 14" monitor, and all I can get is 640x480, and even in links2 -g which has minimal chrome, it looks like shit |
| 14:44.56 | holycow | denniston2, debian people are fairly strict about using the right user groups for this stuff, theres too many tiny details to really be helpfull beyond debian proper |
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| 14:45.00 | xk | or a browser width larger than height. |
| 14:45.07 | xk | nvz: lol. |
| 14:45.14 | lankou | bonjour |
| 14:45.17 | ruzbeh | nvz, well those blue buttons up there on the debian website look like poop, i'd prefer text buttons or just nice looking small images |
| 14:45.31 | lewis | could someone pastebot their quota-related lines in their exim4.conf? |
| 14:45.42 | nvz | ruzbeh: so redesign the whole fucking site then. |
| 14:45.44 | FieldySnuts | ruzbeh: I'd imagine you can submit a bug or suggestion, doing so here probably has no chance of actual change |
| 14:46.02 | nvz | ruzbeh: in case you didnt realize this whole project is maintained by its users |
| 14:46.15 | denniston2 | I love how linux people seem to be elitist bastards just like Microsoft. |
| 14:46.16 | FieldySnuts | frankly I don't care what it looks like, only the content |
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| 14:46.26 | FieldySnuts | denniston2: oh stop trolling |
| 14:46.29 | grivell | denniston2: Just use Sarge. |
| 14:46.38 | ruzbeh | nvz, take it easy |
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| 14:46.48 | FieldySnuts | microsofties aren't elitist bastards either, they're just idiots |
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| 14:46.52 | nvz | denniston2: you are generalizing and trolling. Linux and Microsoft are not even similar enough to be conpared |
| 14:46.54 | leonel | Sarge!!! Come out now !!! |
| 14:46.55 | asg | ruzbeh: look at debian.org/devel (there is information on how you can help the web team) |
| 14:47.01 | grivell | denniston2: It is not elite bastards (this time). It is the fact that YOU are using something that is not Debian. This is a Debian channel. Try ##linux |
| 14:47.04 | holycow | touche |
| 14:47.06 | valdyn_ | denniston2: a debian answer ( though debian has no madwifi-source package ): apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i madwifi |
| 14:47.09 | FieldySnuts | i guess what else doy ou expect from a mepis user. |
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| 14:47.40 | nvz | ruzbeh: I am taking it easy... easy like saturday morning |
| 14:47.48 | FieldySnuts | :D |
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| 14:48.03 | nvz | I am getting a bit hungry though.. |
| 14:48.16 | lewis | bah - i guess no one uses exim4 with quotas then |
| 14:48.19 | nvz | ..and bored |
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| 14:49.04 | FieldySnuts | wanggg |
| 14:49.10 | asg | nvz: then walk to McDonald's and get a McRib |
| 14:49.23 | FieldySnuts | they still have those nasty things? |
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| 14:49.30 | stuartSan | apt-get a burger |
| 14:50.05 | nvz | asg: yeah right.. I dont have much money right now, and McDonalds is at least 5miles away |
| 14:50.11 | asg | FieldySnuts: pressed and shapped fried meat products. |
| 14:50.16 | asg | s/pp/p/ |
| 14:50.25 | grivell | dpkg -i burger |
| 14:50.29 | xk | subway is the way to go. |
| 14:50.33 | asg | xk: yeah |
| 14:50.34 | grivell | That is not where I want it |
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| 14:50.48 | asg | xk: esp the 2 footlongs for 8.99 after 5 deal they have now. |
| 14:50.55 | xk | once you start eating subway... mcdonalds tastes like shit ;) |
| 14:50.58 | hever | Hello there, by uploading files with proftpd I got ^M at every line end. (The files have windows line end format, but that make sometimes Problems, and it only comes up with proftp upload) |
| 14:51.05 | nvz | apperently, dpkg doesnt know how to stuff a human |
| 14:51.14 | xk | asg: we don't get special deals often in .au :( |
| 14:51.30 | stuartSan | if you're health conscious mcdonalds already tastes like shit to begin with |
| 14:51.31 | asg | xk: ah, then it's a usian only deal. |
| 14:51.52 | xk | there used to be two for one subway offer... but that was like 6 years ago. |
| 14:52.02 | xk | well, a voucher. |
| 14:52.05 | ericb_ | hi all |
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| 14:52.27 | holycow | xk, thats just the wierdest thing to remember |
| 14:52.33 | stuartSan | guys, is american idol airing on america right now because i wanna be sure that i'm not getting ripped by my local cable provider |
| 14:52.33 | ericb_ | currently thinking about a dvd writer and I came too.. does linux support it well yet or should I still wait for better supports ? |
| 14:52.44 | asg | stuartSan: no, it's 10am in the morning here. |
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| 14:52.58 | nvz | holycow: I bet just about anyone in here could make you reconsider |
| 14:53.03 | xk | I had a roasted chicken footlong... tasted like shit. |
| 14:53.10 | stuartSan | hm i hate it how they say its 'direct off sattelite' |
| 14:53.11 | Havok | hi, anyone know which is the best encryption system to use in debian, loop-aes or cryptoloop? Or is there a better channel to ask the question? |
| 14:53.16 | asg | stuartSan: and if you aren't getting AL, I'd consider that your cable provider is doing you a favor. |
| 14:53.19 | stuartSan | i'm leaving this country the first chance i get |
| 14:53.33 | asg | Havok: #crypto maybe |
| 14:53.40 | stuartSan | AL? |
| 14:53.42 | Havok | asg: ok thanks |
| 14:53.49 | asg | stuartSan: erm, AI |
| 14:53.52 | nvz | Havok: yeah and get a better question first. one that doesnt use "best" |
| 14:53.55 | stuartSan | lol k |
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| 14:54.25 | xk | gaylord.dk, heh. |
| 14:54.33 | nvz | I am sure there are many factors that make up what a good encryption is to someone.. |
| 14:54.35 | nmoore | should I recombine files split by the "split" utility with cat f1 f2 .. fn > combination ? |
| 14:54.39 | ncp | xk : :P |
| 14:54.40 | nvz | you mentioned none of them |
| 14:54.48 | asg | nmoore: use >>, not > |
| 14:55.09 | nmoore | asg: thanks |
| 14:55.15 | mirak | I am in a live cd right now, how can I install a bootblock to the device hda ? |
| 14:55.25 | xk | mirak: grub-install? |
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| 14:55.34 | stuartSan | hm i wanna download a whole freakin series of movies, how long uptime minimum am i looking for in debian |
| 14:55.36 | nmoore | asg: what is the difference between these? |
| 14:55.44 | mirak | xk: I need more info |
| 14:55.44 | stew | mirak: mount your root fs, then chroot into it |
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| 14:55.49 | Davish | Hello guys. I'm running Debian Sarge, and sound would not work. Actually it does work when i'm not logged in, you know when you can set sound options for startup menu. But when i'm logged as a user sound doesn'T seems to be working. Anyone have a clue on this? |
| 14:55.53 | asg | nmoore: >> appends |
| 14:56.06 | asg | nmoore: cat foo bar > baz would leave baz containing only bar |
| 14:56.17 | mirak | stew: when I did that it said that the device isn't mapped by the bios or something like that |
| 14:56.19 | stew | Davish: add the user to the audio group |
| 14:56.27 | nvz | stuartSan: it won't be any longer than it would take for that question to make any sense. |
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| 14:56.35 | asg | nmoore: man bash (if you use bash) and search for REDIRECTION |
| 14:56.39 | stuartSan | neat! |
| 14:56.41 | stuartSan | lol brb. |
| 14:56.41 | stew | mirak: mount -bind /dev into the root fs before you chroot |
| 14:56.41 | nvz | you also forgot the '?' |
| 14:56.41 | asg | nmoore: that will give you all the gory details |
| 14:56.42 | xk | mirak: hrm... do you want grub or lilo? or something else? |
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| 14:56.51 | nmoore | asg: many thanks |
| 14:57.04 | asg | nmoore: you're welcome |
| 14:57.10 | xk | mirak: if it's something else... then it's not for linux ;) |
| 14:57.11 | mirak | xk: grub or lilo I don't care, I need something |
| 14:57.21 | Davish | Thanks stew , wasn't aware of this. Will have a look on this. |
| 14:57.26 | mirak | stew: I have done that also |
| 14:57.36 | xk | mirak: "grub-install /dev/hda" should work |
| 14:57.40 | mirak | it didn't |
| 14:57.40 | nvz | there are bootloaders other than grub and lilo |
| 14:57.47 | Havok | nvz: ok then I want something which will be easily supported, I heard cryptoloop is depreciated and didn't think the loop-aes module comes as standard |
| 14:57.47 | pucko- | how do I start mozilla (for example) as another non-privileged user on my current kde desktop? |
| 14:57.49 | mirak | it says something about the bios |
| 14:57.58 | xk | nvz: like mbr? :) |
| 14:58.24 | xk | or is that not considered a boot loader? |
| 14:58.27 | nvz | Havok: I've never heard of either, myself. but you can't use "best" like that. you need to be more descriptive to get good advice |
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| 14:58.48 | Havok | ok |
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| 14:59.17 | xk | mirak: or mbr... "install-mbr". |
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| 14:59.47 | nvz | xk: ok, well maybe there isnt any in debian anymore.. I swear there used to be other options, aside from syslinux, lilo, and grub |
| 14:59.53 | nmoore | pucko-: you could su [user] and then run it from a terminal |
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| 15:02.23 | davFr | hi |
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| 15:03.04 | pucko- | nmoore, for some reason I assumed that wouldn't work |
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| 15:04.07 | davFr | question : how can one know about the title of a CD-ROM currently in the cd device, please? |
| 15:04.26 | xk | hrm... "file /dev/cdrom" maybe. |
| 15:04.34 | pucko- | nmoore, it says "DISPLAY empty or unusable" |
| 15:04.43 | jethro | davFr: cddb |
| 15:04.48 | xk | if it works on an image file, it must work on media. |
| 15:04.50 | pucko- | even if I set DISPLAY to localhost:0.0 |
| 15:04.50 | davFr | xk : no :/dev/cdrom: symbolic link to `hdc' |
| 15:05.02 | xk | davFr: is it data or audio? |
| 15:05.06 | davFr | jethro : it's a data CDrom |
| 15:05.12 | xk | davFr: file /dev/hdc |
| 15:05.23 | xk | actually, hrm. |
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| 15:05.37 | xk | dd if=/dev/hdc bs=1k count=10 of=/tmp/test; file /tmp/test :) |
| 15:05.40 | xk | that _might_ work. |
| 15:05.41 | nmoore | davFr: i've used a tool called cd-info for that in the past, debian don't seem to supply it as standard |
| 15:05.48 | drac | Hmm, I still have time to change 'testing' to 'sarge' from sources.list to stay with sarge once it becomes stable? |
| 15:05.53 | asg | xk: file - </dev/hdc or file -s /dev/hdc |
| 15:06.04 | Jarn | I just installed my graphics card drivers, and it said I need to configure libx11-6, xlibs, and libxext6. How do I do this? |
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| 15:06.09 | flawd | Trying to install NVIDIA's own drivers. downloaded the kernel-source for my kernel (2.6.8) and the NVIDIA installer. Installer says "No precompiled kernel interface to match your kernel" and when trying to dl from their ftp they do not find it. It says I need to compile from source. However it doesnt find the kernel source |
| 15:06.31 | jethro | !tell flawd -about nvidia-howto |
| 15:06.44 | davFr | file /dev/hdc does not work, i will try the "dd" thing, it looks cool (but not very confortable :o) |
| 15:06.56 | xk | yeah, try what asg said. it's shorter. |
| 15:07.07 | holycow | asg, omfg |
| 15:07.11 | davFr | asg : "file -s /dev/hdc" good answer! thanks! |
| 15:07.19 | holycow | oh nm, *scroll* *scroll* |
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| 15:07.20 | holycow | haha |
| 15:07.20 | xk | davFr: did file work? |
| 15:07.21 | asg | holycow: we discussed it yesterday |
| 15:07.21 | henna | do the bootfloppies no longer support netbased install? |
| 15:07.22 | flawd | ty |
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| 15:07.30 | holycow | i thought you were still talking about mcribs |
| 15:07.32 | holycow | *shudder* |
| 15:07.34 | asg | holycow: hah |
| 15:07.34 | henna | I can't find the install from network option |
| 15:07.39 | jethro | flawd: you're welcome |
| 15:07.48 | stew | henna: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 15:07.54 | Jarn | I just installed the ATI graphics card drivers, and it said I need to configure libx11-6, xlibs, and libxext6. How do I do this? |
| 15:07.58 | stew | henna: are you installing a server or desktop? |
| 15:08.06 | henna | stew: server |
| 15:08.17 | henna | well, old laptop wich is to act as a server :) |
| 15:08.30 | xk | heh |
| 15:08.32 | stew | henna: yeah, then /msg dpkg netinst |
| 15:09.05 | xk | are there any dsl modems with embedded linux? |
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| 15:09.28 | asg | xk: probably, though I don't know for sure. |
| 15:09.36 | xk | asg: I know there is one, netcomm nb5. |
| 15:09.42 | asg | xk: ah |
| 15:09.43 | xk | asg: just wondering if there is more tahn one :) |
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| 15:09.56 | jethro | xk: linksys has some AP with embedded linux, and they do dsl modems too, check if the dsl modems are linux as well ;) |
| 15:09.58 | asg | xk: well, there is that linksys wireless router |
| 15:10.08 | xk | well, it's not a dsl modem? :) |
| 15:10.10 | asg | xk: true |
| 15:10.28 | xk | jethro: how much mem/flash does it have? |
| 15:10.33 | stew | xk: check linuxdevices.com |
| 15:10.33 | jethro | ENOCLUE |
| 15:10.37 | xk | lol |
| 15:10.47 | jethro | xk: talking about the AP ? |
| 15:11.02 | xk | yeah. |
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| 15:11.27 | jethro | xk: you should be able to find that in the specs, on linksys website, were they give the link to the GPLed code |
| 15:11.37 | jethro | xk: but I couldn't tell you to be honest :) |
| 15:11.45 | xk | ok, I'll find some info. |
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| 15:12.18 | xk | ooh, d-link dsl-G604T runs linux aswell. |
| 15:12.36 | ruzbeh | how come i can't install azureus (bittorrent client) with apt-get? |
| 15:12.47 | jethro | doesn't alcetel run linux on their speedtouch as well? |
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| 15:12.59 | jethro | !hdii azureus |
| 15:13.01 | dpkg | How Do I Install azureus ? try apt-cache search azureus, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 15:13.46 | stuartSan | man how'd i change the settings in xchat so that when i double-click a nickname the msg window comes up |
| 15:13.53 | stuartSan | instead of a /whois |
| 15:13.57 | ruzbeh | i DID apt-cache search azureus, didn't find anything, and im on testing |
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| 15:14.00 | henna | stew: thxm |
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| 15:14.29 | jethro | !info azureus testing |
| 15:14.42 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.2.0.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4981 kB, Installed size: 5960 kB |
| 15:14.55 | ruzbeh | weird, i can't find it |
| 15:15.01 | jethro | ruzbeh: do you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 15:15.01 | holycow | http://www.bsaengineers.com/ <-- gasp, i will be boycotting dilbert from here on it |
| 15:15.03 | holycow | *grrrr* |
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| 15:15.17 | ruzbeh | jethro, dunno? |
| 15:15.30 | jethro | ruzbeh: vim /etc/apt/sources.list and check |
| 15:15.42 | jethro | ruzbeh: and fix if needed |
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| 15:16.10 | ruzbeh | jethro, ah i see, i have only 'testing main' ones |
| 15:16.26 | jethro | ruzbeh: make that "testing main contrib" |
| 15:16.34 | ruzbeh | jethro, same mirror? |
| 15:16.39 | jethro | ruzbeh: you can even make append non-free if you plan to use non-free packages |
| 15:16.41 | stuartSan | ruzbeh, yes |
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| 15:16.49 | jethro | ruzbeh: yes, it just different repositories in the mirror |
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| 15:17.30 | ruzbeh | awesome, thanks |
| 15:17.33 | jethro | ruzbeh: then run "apt-get update", and it should be available |
| 15:17.38 | ruzbeh | ok |
| 15:18.43 | ruzbeh | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:18.43 | ruzbeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.43 | ruzbeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.49 | ruzbeh | does that mean i need non-free packages? |
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| 15:18.54 | jethro | ryushe: don't paste here |
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| 15:19.12 | jethro | !tell ruzbeh -about java |
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| 15:19.56 | xk | weird... my dsl modem supposedly runs linux. |
| 15:20.00 | asg | hehe |
| 15:20.01 | jethro | heh |
| 15:20.13 | xk | actually... maybe not. |
| 15:20.18 | asg | booo hiss |
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| 15:22.40 | flawd | jethro, that Nvidida install guide is a very good guide I must say |
| 15:23.06 | xk | yeah, it doesn't... it's the boxy version that does. |
| 15:23.07 | jethro | flawd: heh, I m not the one who wrote it tho :) |
| 15:23.15 | jethro | flawd: glad it helped |
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| 15:23.39 | macondo | i got sarge on my hda, and sid on my hdd, i'm trying to edit the grub menu.list of the first drive. do i need to add the third line as : chainloader +1 ? eventhough is on a diferent drive? |
| 15:23.40 | flawd | jethro, not done with install yet but it looks good this far heh |
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| 15:24.14 | xk | macondo: you just need one grub... you can boot from a different partition/drive with the first grub. |
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| 15:24.44 | Nick0la | Hello. Would someone please walk me through connecting to my Digital Camera? I am running Debian (unstable), with a 2.6.10 kernel. The camera is a Sony Cybershot DSC-P93 (using USB PTP mode) |
| 15:24.46 | macondo | xk: that is precisely what i'm doing, |
| 15:24.48 | Vyrus001 | how do i df for the biggest file on a machine? (find out where the biggest file on the system is) |
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| 15:25.10 | Nick0la | I was using gphoto2, but it can't find the camera. |
| 15:25.15 | macondo | xk: do i add 'chainloader +1' |
| 15:25.22 | Nick0la | I have usb-storage compiled into my kernel. |
| 15:25.26 | stew | Vyrus001: du -k / | sort -n |
| 15:25.27 | xk | macondo: it should work... you just need to use (hd1,0) [well, not hd0 for sure] for sid. |
| 15:25.31 | xk | macondo: no. |
| 15:25.36 | Vyrus001 | stew, thanx |
| 15:25.41 | stew | Vyrus001: expect that to take a while |
| 15:25.42 | xk | chainloader is to daisy chain bootloaders. |
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| 15:25.46 | kain | hello |
| 15:25.48 | macondo | xk: thanks bud |
| 15:25.56 | xk | mathieu_: grub -> windows. or grub -> lilo :) |
| 15:25.59 | Nick0la | (perhaps there is a way I can just mount the memory stick?) |
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| 15:26.30 | xk | memory stick.. damn sony. |
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| 15:26.44 | Nick0la | hrm..let me reword that...perhaps there is a way to mount the camera? |
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| 15:26.45 | Nick0la | hehe |
| 15:26.53 | asg | Nick0la: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:27.04 | orjan__ | . Still when I nmap 25 is closed. A similar rule AllowSSH work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:27.07 | Nick0la | asg: thanx. |
| 15:27.20 | jethro | !confuse orjan__ |
| 15:27.21 | dpkg | No, who are their hamster today, orjan__? pants of the monarchy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 15:27.22 | xk | Nick0la: hrm... with a usb->camera cable... no (I think)... only way is with gphoto. |
| 15:27.48 | orjan__ | oops first part disapeared :( |
| 15:27.56 | ldexter | dpkg: you ain't nothing but a hoochie momma |
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| 15:28.15 | asg | !breastfeed ldexter |
| 15:28.19 | xk | ehhehe |
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| 15:28.24 | ldexter | slut |
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| 15:29.15 | xk | well. projectx + transcode works beaut. |
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| 15:29.28 | Nick0la | what is the 'sd' module? I have the usb-storage compiled in...but I'm not sure what 'sd' is. |
| 15:29.28 | xk | avidemux can't handle corrupted mpeg-ts ;) |
| 15:29.30 | asg | omgwtfbbq == oh my god, where's the fucking barbecue? |
| 15:29.35 | ldexter | dpkg: if only you were more apt |
| 15:29.57 | ldexter | i think that's omgwtf@abbq |
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| 15:30.15 | omgwtfbbq | .. |
| 15:30.26 | mycroft_ | Hey, is there a graphical partition manager for linux ? |
| 15:30.32 | asg | mycroft_: gparted |
| 15:30.33 | Rawplayer | gpart? |
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| 15:30.40 | Nick0la | xk: gphoto2 tells me that it can't find any drivers for 'Sony' but it's listed in the supported camera's list. |
| 15:30.45 | mycroft_ | Yeah, i try it out |
| 15:30.48 | mycroft_ | i need to resize |
| 15:30.57 | omgwtfbbq | sarge's installers PM looks graphical to me |
| 15:31.04 | orjan__ | I cant get AllowSMTP for shorewall to work. When I add in rules AllowSMTP net fw I get a message at shorewall start that rule is added. Still when I nmap 25 is closed. A similar rule AllowSSH work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:31.07 | Nick0la | I may be missing something in my kernel....do I need SCSI Generic Support, for example? |
| 15:31.25 | xk | Rawplayer: gpart is graphical? I thought it meant "guess partition" |
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| 15:31.34 | caphuso | orjan__: can you connect from localhost to port 25? |
| 15:31.35 | dmp_ | chuckle. |
| 15:31.40 | mycroft_ | But isn't a gpart text based ? |
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| 15:31.58 | xk | ;) |
| 15:32.00 | dmp_ | depends if g is gnu or gnome ;) |
| 15:32.03 | asg | mycroft_: sorry, I meant qtparted |
| 15:32.19 | orjan__ | caphuso: yes |
| 15:32.40 | asg | Nick0la: did you compile your own kernel or are you using Debian's provided images? |
| 15:32.44 | golanx | guys: i'm running apache+php+postgresql on debian stable... php works, but when I use pg_connect, it says "Call to undefined function"... how can I fix it? |
| 15:32.46 | omgwtfbbq | if a particular DE (kde AND gnome) doesn't work on my pc, is it those DE's or somethings wrong with my installation |
| 15:32.52 | omgwtfbbq | xfce works fine though |
| 15:32.54 | Nick0la | asg: My own. |
| 15:32.57 | asg | golanx: did you install php4-pgsql? |
| 15:33.02 | golanx | yes asg |
| 15:33.06 | golanx | with apt-get |
| 15:33.13 | asg | Nick0la: oh, then yes, you'll need SCSI Generic |
| 15:33.24 | asg | golanx: did you restart apache after installing it? |
| 15:33.28 | flawd | jethro, yepp it works. :D |
| 15:33.35 | golanx | yes asg |
| 15:33.39 | jethro | flawd: :) |
| 15:33.40 | golanx | still not working... |
| 15:33.43 | mycroft_ | asg: is that correctly 'qtparted' ? cos apt-get didn't find it |
| 15:33.44 | Nick0la | asg: sweet. thanks....SCSI Generic, USB-Storage, anything else I should include? |
| 15:33.45 | asg | golanx: does /etc/php4/apache/php.ini list an extension=pgsql.so (or something similar?) |
| 15:33.58 | golanx | 1 sec... looking at that.. |
| 15:34.01 | asg | Nick0la: I can't remember offhand, someone else probably knows though. |
| 15:34.08 | asg | !info qtparted |
| 15:34.14 | dpkg | qtparted: (A parted frontend using QT), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 736 kB |
| 15:34.17 | nvz | I slightly browned my eggs on the one side :P |
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| 15:34.30 | Davish | What is the cmd to list all groups on a linux machine again? |
| 15:34.37 | asg | Davish: cat /etc/groups |
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| 15:34.42 | asg | Davish: cat /etc/group |
| 15:34.43 | nvz | Davish: cat /etc/group |
| 15:34.47 | orjan__ | caphuso: telnet to localhost 25 is fine |
| 15:34.54 | golanx | extension=php_pgsql.dll |
| 15:35.00 | jethro | .dll ? |
| 15:35.01 | asg | golanx: no, that's for windows |
| 15:35.02 | caphuso | orjan__: well, then something's wrong with shorewall, but i can't help with that |
| 15:35.02 | jethro | wtf |
| 15:35.05 | Nick0la | asg: thanx...I'm off to recompile...again. |
| 15:35.08 | Nick0la | :-) |
| 15:35.09 | mycroft_ | E: Couldn't find package qtparted |
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| 15:35.10 | asg | Nick0la: :) |
| 15:35.11 | mycroft_ | interesting |
| 15:35.19 | asg | mycroft_: what debian are you running? |
| 15:35.20 | golanx | oh my... i'm an asshole :) |
| 15:35.24 | mycroft_ | asg: sarge |
| 15:35.33 | golanx | asg: is it ok putting extension=pgsql.so ? |
| 15:35.34 | asg | !info qtparted sarge |
| 15:35.38 | asg | golanx: try that |
| 15:35.47 | omgwtfbbq | in grub, what is hdb1? *,* ? |
| 15:35.49 | asg | mycroft_: /msg dpkg why is qtparted not in testing |
| 15:36.02 | Davish | Thank you. |
| 15:36.33 | golanx | asg... trying... |
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| 15:36.41 | orjan__ | hmm no #shorewall channel, any other channel where I could get help with shorewall? |
| 15:36.42 | asg | omgwtfbbq: hd1,0 iirc |
| 15:36.45 | darkcmd | Okay, I intalled the Sarge netinstall cd.. I need to use ppp to do the netinstall.. I have a winmodem driver package for my chipset.. in a deb.. but it complains there are no headers.. what package do I manually download for the kernel headers for the kernel that comes with the sarge netinstall cd kernel image? I'm doing this all via the execute shell option in the configurer |
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| 15:37.01 | mycroft_ | any alternative option ? |
| 15:37.07 | Xenguy | orjan__: are you restarting the shorewall? |
| 15:37.07 | omgwtfbbq | okay, i think thats why i keep getting a kernel panic in 2.6.8-686 |
| 15:37.18 | Nick0la | Okay, here is a question me and friend were arguing about..my friend says that if he is just adding support for another driver in the kernel (for example, just ADDING Scsi Generic support), he doesn't have to make clean first. I've ALWAYS done make clean first. Is my friend correct? |
| 15:37.24 | darkcmd | anyone know? |
| 15:37.25 | orjan__ | Xenguy: o start and stop |
| 15:37.26 | asg | mycroft_: I don't think so. The curses parted program works though |
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| 15:38.04 | orjan__ | Xenguy: or rather the oter way around |
| 15:38.07 | golanx | asg: there was extension=pgsql.so, it was at the end of php.ini file |
| 15:38.08 | asg | Nick0la: you can sometimes get away with it but it is better to make clean first just to be sure you don't have some odd bugs. |
| 15:38.11 | darkcmd | what header package.. do I download for the kernel that comes in the netinstaller so I can install my winmodem drivers.. the base system via the netinstall is installed.. it has not been updated |
| 15:38.38 | Nick0la | asg: I thought so. |
| 15:38.45 | orjan__ | Xenguy: I get a msg : Rule "ACCEPT - - tcp 25" added. |
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| 15:39.02 | Xenguy | orjan__: I'm don't think I clearly understand your situation yet though. Other options are to search the mailing list archives, or post to the list. |
| 15:39.08 | Nick0la | I like it when I'm right. :-) |
| 15:39.22 | asg | golanx: a few other things to check. Create a test.php file with '<?phpinfo();?>' in it. Hit it with a browser and see if it indicates that pgsql support is available. b) refresh or purge your browser cache and see if that fixes things. |
| 15:39.23 | orjan__ | Xenguy: ok |
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| 15:39.40 | golanx | asg... ok, doing it now... |
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| 15:40.10 | Xenguy | orjan__: orjan__ FWIW, shorewall works nicely once it is debugged |
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| 15:40.40 | _mepis_lover | wie gehts |
| 15:40.49 | dan2_ | asg: hey |
| 15:40.50 | golanx | asg: at the very end of the page, there is '--without-pgsql' among configure commands |
| 15:40.51 | asg | dan2_: morning |
| 15:40.59 | golanx | I think that's the problem |
| 15:41.09 | nvz | _mepis_lover: /j #mepis |
| 15:41.11 | asg | golanx: oh. Is this debian's php4 or one you got from a backport site or self-compiled? |
| 15:41.22 | golanx | debian's php4 |
| 15:41.30 | golanx | I'm still not familiar with backports :))) |
| 15:41.46 | golanx | I meant: at the very beginning of the page |
| 15:42.03 | golanx | and then there is: '--with-pgsql=shared,/usr' |
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| 15:42.52 | asg | golanx: scroll down into the meat of the page. See if there is a pgsql section. |
| 15:43.11 | golanx | nope asg |
| 15:43.22 | typo | has anyone else noticed that the new gstreamer broke muine and rhythmbox? |
| 15:43.22 | golanx | there is only that two commands at the beginning... then nothing more |
| 15:43.51 | asg | golanx: then the module didn't get installed. When you restarted apache, did you just do reload or a full restart? |
| 15:44.03 | golanx | /etc/initd/apache restart |
| 15:44.10 | flawd | I have no /mnt/cdrom. How do I mount the cdrom? |
| 15:44.41 | golanx | I mean /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 15:45.15 | omgwtfbbq | how do i give a user shutdown permission only? |
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| 15:45.32 | flawd | nevermind it was in /media/ |
| 15:45.53 | gnlnxx | look in /etc/fstab to see where it mounts |
| 15:45.58 | omgwtfbbq | because sometimes my family with their own usernames setup use the pc and i dont want them to just turn off the power switch |
| 15:46.15 | asg | golanx: hmmm. Well, I just did 'apt-get install php4-pgsql' on a woody box at work, reloaded the apache conf, and now I see pgsql support listed at the bottom just above the apache section. |
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| 15:46.53 | golanx | hmm... strange that I don't get the same thing... I just installed them with apt... and php and apache are running ok |
| 15:47.13 | flawd | is it "safe" (as it will not mess things up) to make a symlink like /mnt/cdrom pointing to /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 15:47.19 | golanx | well, i think i must dedicate more time to this problem... thanx for your help, asg :) |
| 15:47.53 | Pappa | wow firefox crashed again |
| 15:48.14 | asg | golanx: you're welcome, I'm sure you'll find the problem. |
| 15:48.23 | golanx | thanx :)) |
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| 15:49.58 | Redwraith111 | Help: Has anyone else had the problem where you log out and it doesn't go back to the logon screen. It just stays a lit up black. |
| 15:50.00 | Redwraith111 | ? |
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| 15:54.12 | omgwtfbbq | redwra, yes, i uninstalled kde and gnome and used xfce instead |
| 15:54.22 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, eevn. |
| 15:54.26 | Redwraith111 | i tried xfce but i couldnt figure it out |
| 15:54.41 | Redwraith111 | how can i set up my x server to go back to a commandline? |
| 15:54.45 | CyzarX | can root specify a certain user (for example CyzarX ) to mount hdd? |
| 15:54.55 | omgwtfbbq | init 1? |
| 15:55.17 | Redwraith111 | but then i can't do anything i have to go init 2 b4 i can start x |
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| 15:56.18 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, oh yea btw i reinstalled because of that problem |
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| 15:56.27 | tarzeau | where is the list of the guesses when sarge is released again? |
| 15:56.27 | Redwraith111 | really? |
| 15:56.33 | Redwraith111 | what caused it? |
| 15:56.33 | asg | !sarge pool |
| 15:56.34 | dpkg | from memory, sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 15:56.44 | asg | tarzeau: ^^^ |
| 15:56.52 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, yeah, and only used x-window-system and x-window-core and then apt-get install xfce4 after that. no problems now, can login/logout whenever i want |
| 15:56.55 | jethro | !sarge bet |
| 15:56.55 | dpkg | "sarge pool" has overflowed so use "sarge pool 5". To add a bet to the sarge pool: !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 15:57.01 | Redwraith111 | hm |
| 15:57.13 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, seems to be caused by KDE and GNOME, maybe its just my pc, but i always crashed at startup screen after logging out |
| 15:57.19 | Redwraith111 | so you don't know why its dong it though? |
| 15:57.20 | tarzeau | !listkeys sarge pool |
| 15:57.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sarge pool' by key (5): sarge pool 3 ;; sarge pool 2 ;; sarge pool 5 ;; sarge pool 4 ;; sarge pool. |
| 15:57.34 | tarzeau | !listkeys sarge pool 1 |
| 15:57.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sarge pool 1' by key returned no results. |
| 15:57.38 | Redwraith111 | i dont want to reinstall because i finally got ati drivers installed |
| 15:57.45 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, all i can guess is my pc's allergic to it |
| 15:57.56 | tarzeau | !sarge pool 1 |
| 15:58.09 | Redwraith111 | hm |
| 15:58.18 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, well i did that because i wanted my pc to be clean of those crap packages. you might find an alternative but i'm not sure though. |
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| 15:58.32 | omgwtfbbq | and yeah, that was the 8th time or so that i re-installed |
| 15:58.34 | Redwraith111 | crap packages? oh like ok |
| 15:58.35 | Redwraith111 | yeah |
| 15:58.48 | omgwtfbbq | in 1 day |
| 15:59.02 | Redwraith111 | ive had this going for 4 days now |
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| 15:59.15 | omgwtfbbq | *shrugs.. KDE and GNOME were crap to me because of the inconvienience it gave me |
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| 15:59.16 | genome | grumpydog!!! |
| 15:59.29 | Redwraith111 | xfce doesnt have a menu though |
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| 15:59.35 | omgwtfbbq | seriously, try a clean install and some other desktop enviroment. |
| 15:59.39 | Redwraith111 | or maybe i installed it after everything else that it didnt show up |
| 15:59.40 | omgwtfbbq | does too. |
| 15:59.43 | _mepis_lover | fluxbox is nice |
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| 16:00.03 | Redwraith111 | can i do xfce with icewm? |
| 16:00.09 | omgwtfbbq | Redwraith111, actually, try any other DE but KDE and Gnome and see if that helps though |
| 16:00.19 | omgwtfbbq | i did xfce with only x-win |
| 16:00.40 | _mepis_lover | fvwn |
| 16:00.44 | Redwraith111 | ok but i mean i dont like the xfce interface |
| 16:00.51 | _mepis_lover | err fvwm |
| 16:00.54 | Redwraith111 | ok... |
| 16:00.57 | Redwraith111 | not sure what that is |
| 16:01.00 | Redwraith111 | does it have a site |
| 16:01.13 | segfault2k | someone has an software and dont has an icon? |
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| 16:02.48 | Redwraith111 | is thiat fvmn fast? |
| 16:02.54 | Redwraith111 | because it looks heavy |
| 16:02.59 | asg | Redwraith111: yes, and ultra configurable |
| 16:03.02 | _mepis_lover | fvwm sorry yes fast |
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| 16:04.07 | Redwraith111 | is their deb packages for it? |
| 16:04.47 | genome | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 16:04.47 | genome | giving up. |
| 16:04.47 | genome | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 16:04.47 | genome | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
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| 16:04.55 | genome | how do i fix that? |
| 16:05.01 | genome | bah forgot bout flood stuff |
| 16:05.23 | _mepis_lover | www.fvwm.org |
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| 16:05.32 | mp3j2 | hello |
| 16:05.34 | Redwraith111 | i found it lol |
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| 16:05.44 | asg | genome: look at /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config (the allowed_users option) |
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| 16:05.53 | genome | thanks asg |
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| 16:06.10 | flawd | when I apt-get upgrade'd I got to enter an option for "discover" about the cdrom and afterward it doesnt work properly. How do I get to that dialog again? |
| 16:06.10 | mp3j2 | how do i configure samba so the windows machine can see the shares in the linux box without needinga user name nor paaword? |
| 16:06.14 | Redwraith111 | alright ill see you guys on the other side |
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| 16:06.24 | genome | allowed_users=console |
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| 16:06.34 | _mepis_lover | later redwraith111 |
| 16:06.38 | mp3j2 | genome, is that for me? |
| 16:06.40 | asg | genome: hmmm |
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| 16:07.09 | asg | genome: it does work as root though right? |
| 16:07.09 | genome | mp3j2: no |
| 16:07.13 | mp3j2 | sorry |
| 16:07.20 | genome | mp3j2: i thik public=yes |
| 16:07.26 | flawd | can someone help with that? |
| 16:07.28 | genome | asg: i'll check |
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| 16:07.43 | asg | flawd: dpkg-reconfigure discover |
| 16:07.47 | flawd | ty |
| 16:07.48 | omgwtfbbq | how'd i give users permission to shutdown |
| 16:07.55 | mp3j2 | where do put the public = yes in the global section? or the share section? |
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| 16:08.01 | asg | omgwtfbbq: use sudo (apt-get install sudo ; man sudoers) |
| 16:08.09 | pacoto | hola |
| 16:08.10 | genome | X: warning; process set to priority -11 instead of requested priority -10 |
| 16:08.11 | genome | giving up. |
| 16:08.13 | mp3j2 | hola |
| 16:08.17 | genome | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 16:08.17 | genome | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 16:08.17 | genome | memory-alpha:/home/genome/Unreal3.2# |
| 16:08.18 | jetscreamer | yeah don't let it manage mount points |
| 16:08.29 | pacoto | alguien habla español |
| 16:08.31 | asg | genome: did you install X and configure it? |
| 16:08.32 | asg | !es |
| 16:08.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:08.33 | mp3j2 | yotas |
| 16:08.34 | genome | mp3j2: in the share |
| 16:08.35 | asg | pacoto: ^^^ |
| 16:08.45 | jetscreamer | see, if you were trying to play a real game, like q3, you wouldn't have that problem |
| 16:08.47 | mp3j2 | ok lemme c |
| 16:08.52 | genome | asg: i let apt do it... it was working fine for about an hour then it stopped |
| 16:08.57 | nvz | pacoto: si, en #debian-es. |
| 16:08.57 | pacoto | gracias |
| 16:09.00 | xk | dpkg: translate from en to es I wonder if this still works |
| 16:09.00 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 16:09.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:09.01 | asg | de nada |
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| 16:09.04 | dpkg | to be I wonder yew this still works |
| 16:09.07 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:09.08 | xk | hah |
| 16:09.12 | jetscreamer | <--too slow |
| 16:09.23 | xk | dpkg: translate to es can anyone understand this? |
| 16:09.32 | nvz | jetscreamer: looks like all your jets arent screaming today |
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| 16:09.39 | jetscreamer | xk i think the format is different but i forget |
| 16:09.45 | asg | genome: odd. What have you changed since it was working? |
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| 16:09.55 | jetscreamer | nvz you shoulda heard me screaming when i got woke up late |
| 16:09.57 | ruzbeh | how do i change into a normal user when im root |
| 16:10.08 | jetscreamer | ruzbeh, su user |
| 16:10.10 | nagual | su - user |
| 16:10.10 | asg | ruzbeh: su - <user> |
| 16:10.12 | genome | asg: i told aptitude to instal kde. |
| 16:10.13 | ruzbeh | ok thanks |
| 16:10.16 | genome | after that no workey |
| 16:10.18 | mp3j2 | the public= yes is already there trying to see the shares from a windows machine stiill ask for user nam eand password |
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| 16:10.30 | jetscreamer | genome, try apt-get install x-window-system maybe |
| 16:10.31 | asg | genome: oh. I'd check with #debian-kde, they might know what effect that had. |
| 16:10.34 | mp3j2 | also the connection seems slow from windows to linux |
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| 16:10.43 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 16:10.45 | genome | asg: ok, cheers |
| 16:10.48 | asg | genome: :) |
| 16:10.53 | ruzbeh | ruzbeh@extrico:/opt$ fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin |
| 16:10.53 | ruzbeh | dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot). |
| 16:11.00 | ruzbeh | can you believe it? -_- |
| 16:11.17 | xk | ;) |
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| 16:11.34 | jetscreamer | is it suid or should it be |
| 16:11.52 | ruzbeh | dunno |
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| 16:12.17 | ruzbeh | nvm |
| 16:12.24 | flawd | ty asg |
| 16:12.25 | nvz | this ammuses me.. they've got all these peoms from some blinde greek man, thats like 3000 years old, and he is known only as |
| 16:12.27 | jetscreamer | sudo & su should be |
| 16:12.29 | nvz | "homer" |
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| 16:12.51 | kbrooks | Hey all. Do you want to talk freely about ANY linux distro, or anything? Join #linux-pub :) |
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| 16:12.58 | nvz | thats hardly even noteworthy |
| 16:13.44 | jetscreamer | real men don't need last names |
| 16:14.10 | mp3j2 | hello |
| 16:14.11 | nvz | heh, yeah well I guess 3000 years ago he didnt foresee the simpsons becomming popular on tv |
| 16:14.14 | mp3j2 | any help? |
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| 16:14.17 | jetscreamer | !hi mp3j2 |
| 16:14.18 | dpkg | Many greetings, mp3j2, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 16:14.52 | hogballs | what all do i need to download (apt-get) to start my ati tv wonder ve? |
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| 16:14.54 | nvz | if you said "homer" today, kids would think homer simpson wrote this stuff. |
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| 16:15.27 | hogballs | <debian sarge |
| 16:15.36 | Pappa | uhm |
| 16:15.42 | nvz | hogballs: I don't know, can you apt-get an nvidia card? |
| 16:15.54 | jetscreamer | fuck wrong X |
| 16:15.58 | nvz | heh, those ATIs got to be more of a PITA to setup |
| 16:16.03 | Pappa | if i try to send mail through mozilla thunderbird i get "Relay access denied" errors |
| 16:16.07 | Pappa | i'm using postfix |
| 16:16.22 | hogballs | i got my ati 9600 pro xt to work finally with 3d support thanks to people in here |
| 16:16.30 | asg | Pappa: have you asked #postfix yet? |
| 16:16.47 | hogballs | i just installed an old ati tv wonder ve and i dont see the apps installed so i need them.. but dont know what ones to get |
| 16:16.59 | Amy_ | Anyone know why firefox (apparently) gets run with root priviledges? |
| 16:17.06 | asg | nvz: actually, homer was more of a title than a person. |
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| 16:17.26 | BadMan | How do I know what "sound" system I am using? Can you tell by the modules listed? |
| 16:17.40 | BadMan | i.e., alsa or oss...? |
| 16:17.42 | asg | BadMan: if you have snd_foo instead of foo, you are using alsa |
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| 16:18.08 | BadMan | asg: thanks that's what I was looking for everything is snd_* |
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| 16:18.28 | BadMan | I take it KDE doesn't like alsa? |
| 16:18.44 | asg | BadMan: or snd- rather |
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| 16:19.03 | asg | BadMan: one of the two |
| 16:19.21 | BadMan | they are all "_" |
| 16:19.34 | asg | BadMan: yeah, the module names are snd-foo, they show up as snd_foo in lsmod output |
| 16:19.38 | jetscreamer | ok hey suppose i ls blah.* > dirlist.txt ... how do i pipe this file: chmod +s << dirlist.txt ?? and what does the file need to look like inside, does it need anything s#!/bin/bash like in a script?imilar to |
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| 16:19.50 | nvz | asg: I don't know who bothers to put a "title" or name on these things.. like all the Aesop tales |
| 16:19.54 | BadMan | thats what I got thanks |
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| 16:20.52 | asg | nvz: homer as a person who walked around telling stories (basically Fox News in the old world.) Over time, the scribes mistakenly thought that 'homer' was the name of some guy. |
| 16:21.01 | asg | s/r as/r was/ |
| 16:21.06 | nvz | several thousand year old stories.. its a miricle anyone is even still thinking about them, let alone trying to figure out who wrote them |
| 16:21.31 | asg | nvz: same thing with the Bible. |
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| 16:21.43 | nvz | asg: yeah, lets not even go there :P |
| 16:21.51 | nvz | pfft, the bible. |
| 16:22.00 | asg | nvz: we wouldn't even have those stories if the Greeks didn't have a sense of humor |
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| 16:22.18 | nvz | heh (: |
| 16:22.32 | RedPenguin | Can I force remove a package? For some interesting reason, it wants to start it up, then stop it, then uninstall it |
| 16:22.40 | RedPenguin | But the config file is messed up so that isn't really going to work |
| 16:22.41 | asg | nvz: sadly, lots of good inside jokes in the Greek translations are lost in the English and even Latin translations. |
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| 16:23.03 | jetscreamer | RedPenguin, dpkg --force-help |
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| 16:24.41 | drac | Ok, anyone has idea how should I define SSH port to /etc/fstab. example to this: userid@remote.machine.org:/remotedirectory /home/userid/remoteDirectory shfs rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:24.45 | nvz | oh well, I think I will take a walk, maybe drop in on someone unexpectedly |
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| 16:25.03 | asg | nvz: heh, I'm just going to have another beer |
| 16:25.04 | nvz | what else is there to do, on a saturday afternoon? |
| 16:25.13 | hogballs | i just downloaded xawtv. all went well untill the last part and it said there is no such directory |
| 16:25.20 | hogballs | it still dont work |
| 16:25.29 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 16:25.32 | xk | ;) |
| 16:25.34 | dabreegster | I'm using 'su -' to change to root and have my environment "refreshed". Problem is, that always changes my directory to ~root. How can I make su still execute /etc/profile (aka invoked as a login shell) but have it stay in the same directory? |
| 16:25.36 | xk | !doesn't work |
| 16:25.36 | hogballs | is xawtv the best gui version of tv tuner out there? |
| 16:25.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:25.50 | xk | hogballs: it's simple. for analog only aswell. |
| 16:25.51 | valdyn_ | hogballs: tvtime is good |
| 16:25.53 | Xenguy | Question: I want to de-activate a cronjob in /etc/cron.daily, but I don't want to just delete the file. What is the simplest way to preserve the file, but de-activate it for a few days? Do I have to move the file out of /etc/cron.daily, or is there another way? |
| 16:25.56 | jetscreamer | hogballs, got marillat? |
| 16:25.58 | nvz | well I know these people in the next town, I used to work for a lot. I figure they may be interested to know I am back in town, but I cant find their number.. so I may just stop by |
| 16:26.06 | asg | Xenguy: chmod 0 <file> |
| 16:26.20 | Xenguy | asg: tx |
| 16:26.20 | asg | Xenguy: oh wait, root will still run that. nevermind. |
| 16:26.25 | dabreegster | Xenguy: I'd back it up, note its previous location, then delete the file. |
| 16:26.26 | Xenguy | asg: OK |
| 16:26.39 | nvz | personally I'd be interested in them throwing some work my way :P |
| 16:27.05 | asg | Xenguy: I think if you give it a .deactivated postfix, that will also work. Let me check |
| 16:27.15 | Xenguy | dabreegster: OK (was hoping to find a way to just turn it off without deleting it, but <shrug>) |
| 16:27.24 | nvz | seeing as I have a pocket full of change and my wallet is empty again. |
| 16:27.50 | nvz | so I have to get the word around I am back and available for business :P |
| 16:27.56 | dabreegster | How can I run 'su' and have it invoke a login shell, but stay in the same directory? |
| 16:28.05 | asg | Xenguy: yeah, if the filename doesn't conform to run-parts(8), it won't be run. |
| 16:28.07 | xk | "su -" ? |
| 16:28.18 | asg | Xenguy: just make sure that the filename doesn't get picked up by run-parts(8) |
| 16:28.20 | drac | Hmm, i'll try again. I'm trying to mount remote directory with shfs (ssh) to my local computer, and it's working perfectly except I've been unable to find correct syntax for /etc/fstab since my SSH is open at port 2221, This is the line i'm using now, but where to define port? drac@hdr.org:/work /home/drac/work shfs rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:28.35 | asg | Xenguy: you could also just comment the whole file |
| 16:28.40 | xk | drac: is this with fuse? |
| 16:28.50 | Xenguy | asg: so you are saying appending a '.deactivate' to the filename will work? |
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| 16:28.52 | drac | xk: fuse? no.. |
| 16:29.03 | dabreegster | xk: that changes the directory to ~. I want it to stay at /bin if I'm in /bin when I execute su - |
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| 16:29.26 | drac | xk: actually i don't even know what fuse is :) |
| 16:29.33 | xk | dpkg: info fuse |
| 16:29.38 | xk | dpkg: find fuse |
| 16:29.40 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'fuse' (11): fuse-source ;; fuse-utils ;; libconfuse-dev ;; libconfuse0 ;; libfuse-dev ;; libfuse2 ;; python-fuse ;; python2.1-fuse ;; python2.2-fuse ;; python2.3-fuse ;; smtp-refuser. |
| 16:29.47 | xk | dpkg: info fuse-utils |
| 16:29.49 | jetscreamer | drac, 64.xxx.xxx.xxx:/video /video shfs ro,cachesize=256 0 0 <--works for me with shfs |
| 16:29.49 | dpkg | fuse-utils: (Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 16:30.02 | drac | shfs-source (shfs kernel module) and shfs-utils i'm using. |
| 16:30.05 | drac | 2 debian machines. |
| 16:30.06 | xk | jetscreamer: yeah but he wants to set port aswell |
| 16:30.18 | drac | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 16:30.25 | jetscreamer | all i know, but maybe append the :port |
| 16:30.32 | drac | hmm |
| 16:30.56 | xk | like ip:port/dir ? |
| 16:31.10 | jetscreamer | yeah maybe (no idea) |
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| 16:31.22 | jetscreamer | but it wants the : naticvely |
| 16:31.26 | jetscreamer | natively |
| 16:31.35 | xk | shfsmount [opts] [user@]host[:port][/root] mount_point [o mount_opts] ... |
| 16:31.44 | xk | well, there it is. |
| 16:31.46 | jetscreamer | ahhk |
| 16:31.46 | drac | but to fstab? |
| 16:31.50 | drac | ohh |
| 16:31.51 | xk | drac: yes |
| 16:31.52 | xk | try it. |
| 16:32.00 | drac | i get it now. great. trying. |
| 16:32.11 | jetscreamer | it can only melt your box if it doesn't work |
| 16:32.16 | asg | Xenguy: yes, if you name thet file 'foo.cron' that should work |
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| 16:32.20 | ToTu | hi if i run vector linux from cd this will efect any partition or my win system? |
| 16:32.34 | jetscreamer | no, but this isn't vectorlinux |
| 16:32.50 | ToTu | k thx for answer jetscreamer |
| 16:32.56 | jetscreamer | and that's as long as you don't tell it to mess with anything |
| 16:33.06 | hogballs | i just installed tvtime and it works but its in black and white only. |
| 16:33.12 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 16:33.13 | xk | http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2004/Feb/02 -- shfs port patch. maybe it's not needed any more. |
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| 16:33.31 | jetscreamer | i had better luck with the upstream source |
| 16:33.48 | Xenguy | asg: IOW the '.' character will prevent the file from being run IIUC - thanks for that :-) |
| 16:34.10 | hogballs | oh wierd now the color is kinda showing |
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| 16:35.30 | xk | anyone have a high uptime on a 2.6.x kernel box? |
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| 16:35.43 | jetscreamer | i guess nobody answered my pipe question |
| 16:35.48 | nickola | ugh..and I -still- can't access my camera!!! (debian unstable, Sony Cybershot DSC-P93, usb-storage and scsi generic compiled into 2.6.0 Kernel) |
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| 16:36.06 | nickola | 2.6.10 kernal rather |
| 16:36.13 | xk | nickola: external card reader is the way to go. |
| 16:36.18 | jetscreamer | i think you need the sd also |
| 16:36.25 | jetscreamer | scsi disk support |
| 16:36.34 | xk | scsi_mod 72324 2 sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 16:36.37 | nickola | xk: ya...but I spent all my money on the camera! |
| 16:36.38 | xk | is what I have for my card reader. |
| 16:36.41 | jetscreamer | i did, iirc... |
| 16:36.43 | xk | nickola: try sd_mod. |
| 16:36.47 | cottus | xk i got a laptop at 70+ days |
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| 16:37.15 | nickola | I have scsi disk support, already, actually...I have a SCSI raid on this box. :-) |
| 16:37.19 | xk | ;) |
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| 16:37.25 | harken | hello |
| 16:37.34 | jetscreamer | #/dev/sda1 /camera vfat rw,users,noauto,gid=24,uid=1000 0 0 is what i used |
| 16:37.54 | nickola | Yah..I can't find the /dev/sd? |
| 16:37.58 | nickola | there doesn't seem to be one. |
| 16:38.03 | xk | is it even possible to mount some/most/all digital cameras as usb-storage device? |
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| 16:38.27 | nickola | Does the camera have to be plugged in and turned on when the usb-storage is turned on? |
| 16:38.28 | xk | nickola: what does gphoto say about the camera? |
| 16:38.44 | xk | nickola: well... it must be plugged in altogether. |
| 16:38.49 | xk | it's not gonna work wireless. |
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| 16:38.52 | xk | wirelessly rather |
| 16:39.24 | xk | fear the spam on google. |
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| 16:40.04 | nickola | hehe Ya. I didn't compile my stuff as modules, so they load when the system boots. |
| 16:40.28 | nickola | I turn my camera on (while it's all plugged in) and I can't access it at all. |
| 16:40.31 | xk | "Sony DSC-P93 (PTP mode)" |
| 16:40.33 | xk | that's what gphoto says. |
| 16:40.34 | nickola | Yup |
| 16:40.40 | xk | you can't mount the camera directly. |
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| 16:41.18 | nickola | Here's what I get from gphoto: |
| 16:41.19 | nickola | 0.042657 main(2): Processing 'model' option ('Sony')... |
| 16:41.19 | nickola | 0.044344 gphoto2-abilities-list(0): Could not find any driver for 'Sony' |
| 16:41.19 | nickola | *** Error (-105: 'Unknown model') *** |
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| 16:41.25 | nickola | oops. |
| 16:41.27 | nickola | :-) |
| 16:41.28 | aardvark | dildo. |
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| 16:41.49 | tarzeau | it's weekend guys! |
| 16:41.54 | tarzeau | aardvark: with batteries? |
| 16:42.09 | aardvark | tarzeau: no, that would be a vibrator. a dildo is without batteries. |
| 16:42.16 | tarzeau | aardvark: a true |
| 16:42.21 | tarzeau | aardvark: color? |
| 16:42.26 | aardvark | tarzeau: pink |
| 16:42.28 | xk | nickola: hm... it should also work via usb storage. |
| 16:42.32 | tarzeau | aardvark: photo? |
| 16:42.36 | wfq | hi I have installed intel software raid in linux debian 2.4.28 with your patch corresponding. I have installed raid from ide disk and now i'm installing lilo in mbr at raid (/dev/ataraid/d0) but this is the output error |
| 16:42.40 | wfq | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 16:42.41 | wfq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.41 | wfq | Warning: bypassing VolumeID scan of drive flagged INACCESSIBLE: /dev/sda |
| 16:42.41 | wfq | Warning: bypassing VolumeID scan of drive flagged INACCESSIBLE: /dev/sdb |
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| 16:42.42 | aardvark | nickola: have you even gone to the gphoto site? |
| 16:42.43 | xk | nickola: are you using woody or sarge? |
| 16:42.43 | tarzeau | aardvark: hey wait i'm out... another time |
| 16:42.44 | aardvark | ... |
| 16:42.50 | gravity | Ugh... why is everyone pasting today? |
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| 16:42.56 | nickola | xk: sarge |
| 16:42.57 | aardvark | because they're tards |
| 16:43.03 | stianh | Greetings |
| 16:43.12 | xk | nickola: dpkg --list | grep gphoto |
| 16:43.13 | nickola | aardvark: Yes...and there was no real help there |
| 16:43.21 | aardvark | http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/proj/libgphoto2/support.php |
| 16:43.24 | aardvark | ^ how hard is it to read that? |
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| 16:43.37 | flawd | are there any quakeforge debs around? |
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| 16:43.57 | genome | genome@memory-alpha:~$ write genome tty1 |
| 16:43.57 | nickola | aardvark: I have -BEEN- there...and there was nothing that helped me there. |
| 16:43.57 | genome | write: genome has messages disabled on tty1 |
| 16:44.02 | genome | how do i fix that? lol |
| 16:44.05 | redduck666 | if i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 than i get the tool to configure i got during the installation. is there any similar command that calls the network configuration tool i got during the installation of debian? |
| 16:44.14 | aardvark | nickola: have you READ THAT LIST?! |
| 16:44.18 | nickola | ghoto2 libghoto2-2 libghoto2-por |
| 16:44.24 | wfq | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.24 | xk | nickola: dmesg| grep ^sd |
| 16:44.27 | wfq | Warning: BIOS device code 0x82 is used (>0x80). It indicates more disks |
| 16:44.27 | wfq | <wfq> than those represented in '/proc/partitions' having actual partitions. |
| 16:44.28 | wfq | <wfq> Booting results may be unpredictable. |
| 16:44.35 | aardvark | wfq: stop it |
| 16:44.37 | xk | stop it with the pasting. |
| 16:44.51 | aardvark | "Projects :: libgphoto2 :: supported cameras" |
| 16:44.52 | nickola | xk: nothing returns on that command. |
| 16:45.09 | wfq | ok... ok excuse me... I'm desperate |
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| 16:45.19 | asg | !hurry |
| 16:45.19 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 16:45.20 | xk | nickola: grep sd /var/log/dmesg. paste to me via /msg |
| 16:45.24 | nickola | aardvark: my camera is supported by libgphoto2 |
| 16:45.49 | xk | actually, hrm... |
| 16:45.50 | aardvark | nickola: well, then you haven't compiled in generic scsi or something. |
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| 16:46.39 | biohazrd | redduck666 you can install webmin if you like a web based gui configuration tool for your system.. |
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| 16:47.16 | biohazrd | redduck666 else edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand as well and /etc/resolv.conf for dns settings |
| 16:47.28 | mh_le | does anyone know why doscover1 isn't detecting my cdrom drives? |
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| 16:47.46 | gravity | mh_le: It's not supposed to |
| 16:47.48 | paulswm | !webmin |
| 16:47.48 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 16:48.06 | xk | heh |
| 16:48.12 | paulswm | webmin sucks |
| 16:48.22 | aardvark | paulswm: duh. |
| 16:48.40 | biohazrd | doesnt suck for people that don't understand how to configure things |
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| 16:48.51 | redduck666 | biohazrd, thanks, will have a look at webmin |
| 16:48.59 | paulswm | So the solution for not understanding is to use unsafe tools? |
| 16:49.01 | gravity | biohazrd: Well, it's infinitely preferrable to learn how to do it by hand in most cases |
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| 16:49.13 | biohazrd | i agree, its not my prefernce, but for someone struggling it works |
| 16:49.20 | gravity | biohazrd: If nothing else, it makes you independant of poorly written and maintained tools like webmin |
| 16:49.23 | Tails_ | curious just what is so bad about webmin? Seen it but haven't used it? |
| 16:49.40 | biohazrd | and in most cases people that need webmin, it gives them a grasp of where all the config files are |
| 16:50.09 | biohazrd | and most of the time they are not systems that have a high degree of security issues... Its a box at home they are playing with to learn linux |
| 16:50.11 | asg | Tails_: it's a web application but you can't chroot it for obvious reasons. |
| 16:50.18 | Tails_ | I know most of the command line stuff, webmin would seem to be a faster way of doing things. |
| 16:50.19 | paulswm | mapages, info pages, google |
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| 16:50.45 | Tails_ | asg: yes but if you needed to just use ssh right? |
| 16:50.47 | asg | Tails_: one workaround is to run it bound to localhost:80 only and use ssh tunneling to map a remote system's port 80 to it. |
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| 16:51.33 | Tails_ | asg: ahhh ok. I was just thinking about using it for simple stuff, restarting apache, samba, mysql, etc... |
| 16:51.49 | biohazrd | if webmin is such a dangerous thing, I am curious why debian maintainers even bother making it a package |
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| 16:52.29 | gravity | biohazrd: The maintainer isn't too happy about it, and actually wants someone else to take it over |
| 16:52.34 | paulswm | biohazrd: I used webmin for a while almost exclusively to manage LVM, but I didn't like to hidden defaults and my opinion of most of the modules is that it is easier to screw things up via webmin than by doing it the old fashioned way |
| 16:52.34 | asg | biohazrd: some maintainer wanted it or was interested in providing it. That doesn't mean that it is a suggested way of adminstering a machine. |
| 16:52.34 | aardvark | asg: http://home.pacbell.net/bettychu/mayra.jpg < i think it could explode any second now |
| 16:52.35 | gravity | biohazrd: He's pretty disgusted with the code |
| 16:52.36 | biohazrd | lol |
| 16:52.38 | now3d | Hi, could someone tell me which kernel architecture I should install for my AlthonXP 3200+ CPU please? I know i386 will work.. but I'd perfer more optimal.. |
| 16:52.51 | asg | aardvark: holy shit |
| 16:52.57 | asg | aardvark: ediets.com |
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| 16:53.40 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 16:53.48 | asg | aardvark: at least you didn't rot13 yourself this year |
| 16:54.35 | Mardus | Where to set dhclient to activate on startup /so I wouldn't need to type dhclient all the time I start the pc and want to go to the net? |
| 16:54.35 | aardvark | asg: there was a bot spamming people starting with a |
| 16:54.44 | asg | aardvark: ah, understood |
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| 16:54.54 | asg | Mardus: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:55.00 | asg | Mardus: the 'auto <interface>' option |
| 16:55.16 | Mardus | asg: Is interfaces a file? |
| 16:55.24 | asg | Mardus: yes, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:55.58 | asg | ffs, TGIF is using a Scorpions song to sell their crappy food. |
| 16:55.59 | aardvark | "MSN Sponsors Mensa" < fark headline would've been "MSN sponsors Mensa, irony surrenders" |
| 16:56.13 | Mardus | asg: I wanted to know which file to edit. I successfully edited modules so that the NIC was successfully identified when I rebooted. |
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| 16:56.32 | asg | Mardus: okay (the manpage also indicates the relevant file.) |
| 16:56.56 | asg | aardvark: MSN still sounds like a venereal disease |
| 16:57.03 | now3d | How can I search what kernel package I have installecd please? |
| 16:57.10 | aardvark | asg: MSCE sounds like the final state in that disease |
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| 16:57.36 | dvs | now3d: "uname -r" tells you which one you're running now. |
| 16:57.44 | asg | aardvark: or MCSE |
| 16:57.45 | redduck666 | now3d, uname -r |
| 16:58.08 | Tails_ | uname -r or cat /proc/version |
| 16:58.10 | now3d | dvs: ok, thanks, but I would like to find the package, for instance: dpkg -l kernel does not find them |
| 16:58.11 | asg | aardvark: then again, I've never met a Sun SE who didn't run Windows in the field. |
| 16:58.28 | dvs | now3d: dpkg -l kernel-image* should list them all |
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| 16:59.36 | now3d | dvs: ah, they do not mention in the manual that the * is required, is that not auto expanded by the shell..? |
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| 17:00.13 | biohazrd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.17 | biohazrd | whopps |
| 17:00.18 | biohazrd | heh |
| 17:00.29 | dvs | now3d: No, the * has nothing to do with the shell. It has to do with the package name |
| 17:01.09 | dvs | now3d: Actually, this command only shows you what's installed: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l kernel-image* | grep ^ii" |
| 17:01.17 | xk | what's a good way to abuse my bandwidth? |
| 17:01.23 | now3d | dvs: hmm, so why is it required? why cannot I search for all packages with "kernel" in their name, at any point..? * is not passed "as is" by bash to the dpkg binary i thought |
| 17:01.51 | redduck666 | xk, help seed debians isos |
| 17:01.57 | dvs | now3d: You can search for all packages with kernel in their name by "*kernel*" |
| 17:02.07 | xk | redduck666: well... my upstream speed is _shit_ compared to my downstream speed :) |
| 17:02.40 | redduck666 | xk, download pr0n |
| 17:02.44 | redduck666 | :) |
| 17:02.48 | xk | redduck666: already downloaded enough ;) |
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| 17:03.05 | now3d | dvs: ok, thanks. I wonder why the * wildcard is required though? |
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| 17:03.25 | Mardus | away |
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| 17:03.33 | biohazrd | now3d your can do "dpkg -l *kernel*" .. only thing is that is has to be in an empty directory, or if a file with the name kernel is in the directory you run it in it wont work |
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| 17:04.01 | Mardus | asg: I'll see how it works then... |
| 17:04.09 | now3d | biohazrd: ok, that was what I was thinking... will the * only be not expanded by the shell and passed to dpkg in tha case.. |
| 17:04.43 | dmp_ | dpkg -l \*kernel\* |
| 17:04.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching \*kernel\* |
| 17:04.47 | biohazrd | should, never tested it.. .what are you trying to do? |
| 17:04.48 | dmp_ | or dpkg -l | grep kernel |
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| 17:05.19 | now3d | dmp_: ok, that sounds good |
| 17:05.25 | redduck666 | is it just me or webmins ocumentation sucks. i would only like it to connect me to internet, and for now nothing more. ay help appriciated |
| 17:05.27 | jariep1_ | how do you install a deb package? I can't remember the command |
| 17:05.37 | dmp_ | jariep1_: dpkg -i file |
| 17:05.41 | jariep1_ | ok thanks |
| 17:05.42 | asg | now3d: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii.+kernel-image/{print $2}' also |
| 17:05.52 | dmp_ | I still think grep is easier, asg ;) |
| 17:06.05 | asg | dmp_: it is, it depends on what he wants to do with the output. |
| 17:06.11 | now3d | so now I know which kernels are avaiable.. could someone tell me if an AthlonXP is a "K7" CPU? |
| 17:06.17 | biohazrd | grep won't give all files |
| 17:06.17 | now3d | asg: ok, thanks |
| 17:06.19 | dmp_ | yeah |
| 17:06.23 | drac | and how about, dpkg --get-selections|grep kernel-image |
| 17:06.26 | xk | now3d: yes. |
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| 17:06.36 | xk | now3d: if it does 64bit, it's k8. |
| 17:06.59 | now3d | xk: ah, ok, mine is 32bit althon xp 3200+ |
| 17:07.45 | dvs | now3d: So use a k7 kernel. |
| 17:07.56 | now3d | xk: do you think there is much performance to be gained using k7 kernel over the default i386 which sarge has forced me to use..? |
| 17:08.10 | xk | now3d: you're better off using k7. |
| 17:08.14 | dvs | now3d: Over a 386 kernel, yes |
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| 17:08.42 | now3d | dvs: ok, thanks.. Why does debian-installer give me all thse low spec defaults? |
| 17:09.08 | dvs | now3d: Those kernels are used to get the system installed on most systems. |
| 17:09.13 | xk | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ |
| 17:09.21 | kbrooks | Hey all. Do you want to talk freely about ANY linux distro, or anything? Join #linux-pub :) |
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| 17:09.31 | now3d | dvs: ah, ok, so I would hope that the installer would have made a better choice.. |
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| 17:10.06 | dvs | now3d: There's hardly any choice when installing Debian. |
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| 17:11.03 | pipeline | now3d: There's not much performance to be gained. The -386 kernel isn't optimized with a 386 in mind, it's just compatible with all 386 processors. |
| 17:11.12 | pipeline | now3d: It's still worthwhile to install a new kernel :P |
| 17:11.39 | now3d | pipeline: Ok, i'll install it and reboot in a min |
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| 17:12.14 | now3d | the other problem I have is that I made a grub backup boot floppy, but I do not get the grub menu when booting from it. Do I need to do something special to get the boot menu on the floppy as well? |
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| 17:14.58 | xk | now3d: well.. you won't get the menu if menu.lst doesn't exist... you'll get grub command line. |
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| 17:16.23 | now3d | xk: ah, ok, not sure how to do that then. do I have to format the floppy? the page lacks this important detail http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Creating-a-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
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| 17:17.12 | phanter | hello. I instaled apache2, but does it make a user and a group automaticaly wich have access to the /var/www? |
| 17:17.21 | pipeline | now3d: I suggest you learn to use the grub command line. |
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| 17:17.27 | pipeline | now3d: It's saved my ass many, many times |
| 17:18.07 | RichiH | phanter: look into /etc/passwd? |
| 17:18.08 | dvs | now3d: Do you see "man grub-floppy"? |
| 17:18.12 | now3d | pipeline: ok, i had a quick read i think i can do that stuff. I just wanted to make a boot floppy with a menu for someone not as skiilled as I do recover the computer if there was a prob.. |
| 17:18.32 | RichiH | pipeline: agreed. grub commands are an essential |
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| 17:18.39 | toomboy | if i want root's mail to goto lets say user4 in /etc/aliases do i do root: user4 ? or user4: root |
| 17:18.44 | pipeline | now3d: Well, you don't have to reformat the floppy, probably. I would try mounting it. |
| 17:18.45 | RichiH | pipeline: having knoppix around is, too :) |
| 17:18.46 | xk | now3d: well, those two don't go together :) |
| 17:18.59 | pipeline | RichiH: Heh, Knoppix requires a CD. I boot to a miniroot over the network. |
| 17:19.08 | RichiH | toomboy: root: user4 |
| 17:19.22 | toomboy | RichiH: thanks |
| 17:19.30 | RichiH | pipeline: or that :) |
| 17:19.31 | Pappa | then newaliases |
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| 17:21.00 | now3d | dvs: yep I see it, will that create a menu? info grub-floppy is just as bare, and grub-floppy --help is broken |
| 17:21.33 | dvs | now3d: I'm not sure. I never used it. I just noticed it when I did "dpkg -L grub" |
| 17:21.37 | jetscreamer | yeah i didn't have any luck with grub-floppy either |
| 17:21.52 | BadMan | should I have a module called snd_output_alsa.so running in lsmod to use alsa sound for games? |
| 17:22.02 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 17:22.03 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 17:22.20 | dvs | What about snd-mixer-oss? |
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| 17:23.08 | toomboy | one last mail question, is there any way to convert previous mails from an mbox format to the Maildir format? |
| 17:23.28 | idnar | toomboy: mbox2maildir |
| 17:23.30 | asg | toomboy: there is an mbox2maildir utility. Google for it if you can't 'apt-cache search' for it |
| 17:23.43 | simonrvn | easiest is using mutt. one ox being mbox, the other being Maildir |
| 17:23.49 | simonrvn | box* |
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| 17:24.04 | toomboy | asg: thanks |
| 17:24.09 | asg | toomboy: you're welcome |
| 17:24.17 | now3d | pipelining: would writing 80KB of stage1 and stage2 files not have broken the filesystem on my boot floppy though now? |
| 17:24.19 | gandalf | ca pux alsa |
| 17:24.20 | gandalf | grr |
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| 17:24.39 | asg | toomboy: ah, it's mb2md (apt-cache show mb2md) |
| 17:24.54 | jetscreamer | i had it in there when i did the factoid, and some others i think... somebody thought it was better like this i guess |
| 17:25.00 | jetscreamer | !factinfo alsa-bork |
| 17:25.01 | dpkg | alsa-bork -- last modified at Fri Dec 3 08:45:22 2004 by jetscreamer!~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net; it has been requested 50 times, last by jetscreamer, 2m 58s ago. |
| 17:25.10 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 17:25.18 | asg | jetscreamer: welcome to amnesia lane |
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| 17:25.32 | jetscreamer | no it was somebody else though |
| 17:25.51 | jetscreamer | i remember thinking 'he knows more than me so i'll stfu' |
| 17:26.01 | toomboy | asg: for non-stable users ;) ill find it and get it to work, just wasnt sure there was a thing, at least im in right direction now. |
| 17:26.23 | asg | toomboy: well, I'm sure it's trivial to backport it if you need to. (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 17:26.44 | toomboy | yea i know how to do that. |
| 17:26.47 | asg | cool |
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| 17:27.10 | asg | !depends mb2md |
| 17:27.15 | dpkg | mb2md: depends on perl5, libtimedate-perl |
| 17:27.22 | asg | !info libtimedate-perl woody |
| 17:27.33 | dpkg | libtimedate-perl: (Time and date functions for perl.), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.11-1 (woody), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 17:28.27 | jetscreamer | actually, the last d-i install, alsa functioned properly... snd_emu10k1 sucks so i changed back to oss yet again, but the alsa install didn't bork |
| 17:28.31 | flawd | how can I tell if I run oss? I have not installed it manually |
| 17:28.54 | mgratzer | hi guys, i need to extract config files from my apache2*.deb? |
| 17:28.54 | jetscreamer | flawd, did you do a woody install or a sarge/d-i install |
| 17:28.57 | flawd | I have sound in gnome with esd though |
| 17:29.00 | flawd | sarge |
| 17:29.02 | basse | hi, I've set up fetchmail+procmail to donwload and sort my incoming mil. I'm using Pine to read them. how could I add kmail in this, so I could use that when I'm at home, and pine when I am logging in remotely? |
| 17:29.03 | jetscreamer | alsa |
| 17:29.05 | mgratzer | apt-get install |
| 17:29.06 | cahoot | jetscreamer: snd-emu10k1 sucks - how? |
| 17:29.16 | flawd | Im trying to get sound to work with quakeforge |
| 17:29.26 | jetscreamer | cahoot, it just sounds sucky here. oss sounds better. |
| 17:29.46 | simonrvn | meh, picky DS |
| 17:29.49 | flawd | jetscreamer, but I have no alsa packs installed in synaptic |
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| 17:29.58 | BadMan | seems that locate snd_output_alsa.so returns nothing...... |
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| 17:30.04 | asg | mgratzer: use 'ar' to unpack the deb. |
| 17:30.11 | jetscreamer | flawd, 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:30.16 | mgratzer | thnx i will try |
| 17:30.20 | flawd | there you are BadMan heh |
| 17:30.26 | BadMan | hey |
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| 17:30.40 | flawd | jetscreamer, yeah 2.6.8 k7 |
| 17:30.48 | jetscreamer | then yeah |
| 17:31.14 | flawd | jetscreamer, it is compiled in? Cause the debs are not installed |
| 17:31.33 | asg | mgratzer: ar x <deb> ; tar -xvzf data.tar.gz |
| 17:31.34 | jetscreamer | you might should install alsa-base though, having it tells discover/hotplug not to load oss modules... |
| 17:31.41 | dvs | flawd: ALSA is built into 2.6 |
| 17:31.45 | jetscreamer | flawd, alsa is modules in 2.6 |
| 17:31.52 | BadMan | flawd: jsut foudn this one quakeforge-alsa |
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| 17:31.57 | BadMan | plugin.... |
| 17:32.08 | flawd | BadMan, it wont help. didnt here atleast |
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| 17:32.26 | flawd | BadMan, but it surely should be installed if to use alsa |
| 17:32.27 | jetscreamer | what, your sound isn't working? |
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| 17:32.55 | flawd | jetscreamer, it works in gnome with esd but not in quakeforge |
| 17:33.25 | jetscreamer | what is quakeforge.. and do you have the snd_oss_emulation one loaded, or whatever it's called? |
| 17:33.38 | dvs | snd_pcm_oss |
| 17:33.51 | jetscreamer | yeah that one too |
| 17:34.22 | flawd | no that is not loaded |
| 17:34.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get install modconf, run it and look around the sound modules |
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| 17:34.37 | jetscreamer | toward the bottom |
| 17:34.44 | BadMan | flawd: yeah I also see in /usr/lib/quakeforge/plugins/ snd_output_alsa0_9.so |
| 17:34.57 | jetscreamer | load some |
| 17:35.16 | flawd | yah will try |
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| 17:35.44 | flawd | anyway as I was saying to BadMan some minutes ago, thanks for the help but I will get back to solving this in a few hours. need to do some shores |
| 17:35.48 | flawd | thanks and bbl |
| 17:36.24 | wpostma | Anyone know if I can unpack a RAR file in Linux? |
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| 17:37.26 | cahoot | BadMan: this didn't have any useful effect? echo "quake 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
| 17:37.28 | caphuso | wpostma: i do |
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| 17:37.54 | jetscreamer | wpostma, rar x |
| 17:38.12 | toomboy | asg: that util is quite nice :) very seamless |
| 17:38.28 | BadMan | cahoot: foudn nothing mentioning that what would I do with it..? |
| 17:38.55 | cahoot | BadMan: it's suggested in the alsa docs in the kernel src |
| 17:39.15 | BadMan | hmm never seen that..... |
| 17:39.31 | asg | toomboy: excellent. Glad it worked for you. |
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| 17:40.43 | now3d | bah, kernel-image install broke my /boot/menu.lst |
| 17:41.07 | asg | now3d: define 'broke' |
| 17:41.30 | cahoot | BadMan: it's in /usr/src/linux-<version>/Documentation/sound/alsa/OSS-Emulation.txt |
| 17:41.43 | mgratzer | hmm, after using ar i dont see the config files extracted |
| 17:41.52 | xam | now3d: I doubt it. It might have broke your /boot/grub/menu.lst however ;) |
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| 17:41.53 | mgratzer | i have deleted the config files |
| 17:41.53 | asg | mgratzer: no, you get a data.tar.gz which contains the files |
| 17:41.55 | mgratzer | i need them back |
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| 17:42.24 | asg | mgratzer: or dpkg -i --force-confmiss <whatever package contains the missing files> |
| 17:42.27 | mgratzer | i have extracted this file, no config files in there |
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| 17:42.54 | asg | mgratzer: then you got the wrong deb. Use apt-file search <conf> to find which package contains what you want. |
| 17:43.12 | ferris | i have a program that is stuck, and will not close, what is the command to find out what it is called an how do i kill it? |
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| 17:43.45 | mgratzer | thnx, i will try it quick |
| 17:43.48 | jetscreamer | top would work |
| 17:44.08 | ferris | where can i find out how to kill the application? |
| 17:44.13 | asg | mgratzer: apache's config files are in the apache-common or apache2-common packages |
| 17:44.17 | asg | ferris: man kill |
| 17:44.19 | jetscreamer | top would work ferris |
| 17:44.30 | jetscreamer | also man kill and man killall |
| 17:44.36 | usuario | Where can I find standalone floppy-based programs(if they are possible)? |
| 17:44.37 | ferris | ok, thanks |
| 17:45.02 | asg | usuario: can you be a bit more descriptive about what you mean? |
| 17:45.10 | mgratzer | it worked |
| 17:45.12 | mgratzer | thnx |
| 17:45.15 | asg | np |
| 17:45.34 | usuario | asg: programs that will boot from floppy on machine startup and do not require a harddisk |
| 17:45.45 | WhiteRabbit | plan9 |
| 17:45.49 | jetscreamer | oh hey what's that other thing ferris needs to man? |
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| 17:46.08 | asg | usuario: well, any statically compiled program that will fit in 1.4M should work. |
| 17:46.12 | BadMan | cahoot: well eveidently Id ont have somethign isntalled then cause I cannot find OSS-Emulation.txt anywhere on system |
| 17:46.26 | ferris | does 'zombie' refer to a file that is not running but not dead? |
| 17:46.32 | jetscreamer | signal man signals |
| 17:46.35 | asg | !zombie |
| 17:46.35 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 17:46.58 | ferris | ok |
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| 17:47.14 | asg | zombies also stay crunchy in milk |
| 17:47.27 | jetscreamer | but you can have sleeping processes also that are not zombies |
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| 17:47.44 | asg | jetscreamer: and ones stuck in an unbreakable IO wait situation. |
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| 17:48.31 | usuario | How do I statically compile something? I have an idea for a simple text editor to put on my floppy. |
| 17:48.37 | BadMan | after apt-get alsa-base should I log out of kde and restart xserver for any odd reason or some other special task..? |
| 17:48.47 | asg | usuario: try #c or #c++ |
| 17:48.56 | usuario | asg: thank you |
| 17:48.57 | asg | usuario: also, #gcc |
| 17:49.00 | jetscreamer | only for adding yourself to a group i believe |
| 17:49.14 | jetscreamer | the programs 'jsut work' when i install them |
| 17:49.23 | BadMan | jetscreamer: ok, will see if there is any knew group I need to be in 8-) |
| 17:49.33 | jetscreamer | one moment |
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| 17:51.03 | jetscreamer | usermod -G audio,games,cdrom,root,lp,video,src,adm,lpadmin,sudo,disk,staff,scanner,saned,camera,$USER <--works for me, you might change $USER to you i dunno if that works |
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| 17:51.52 | jetscreamer | and lose the root of course |
| 17:52.05 | jetscreamer | maybe disk too |
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| 17:53.25 | asg | jetscreamer: and adm |
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| 17:54.13 | fusQer | ive only doen my kernels from source... is it easier/faster/better to use the debian packages? |
| 17:54.33 | Lorvija | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- that netinst installs testing? right? |
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| 17:54.49 | gravity | Lorvija: Yes |
| 17:54.57 | Lorvija | ok thx |
| 17:55.01 | BadMan | I seemt o be in allt he proper groups except root disk and the lp lpadmin ones.. |
| 17:55.28 | flawd | BadMan, may I pm you? |
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| 17:56.56 | Redwraith111 | Hey all. |
| 17:57.10 | Redwraith111 | I just installed debian again and JUST installed the x packages like whats his name told me |
| 17:57.13 | Redwraith111 | But it won't load... |
| 17:57.21 | Redwraith111 | It just shows the cursor and a grey screen |
| 17:57.28 | gravity | Redwraith111: That sounds like it's running fine |
| 17:57.34 | gravity | Redwraith111: What do you want to run? |
| 17:57.34 | Redwraith111 | i also installed fvwm |
| 17:57.47 | Redwraith111 | how do i get the wm to work |
| 17:57.52 | Redwraith111 | i didnt want gnome |
| 17:57.57 | Redwraith111 | thats why i formatted in the first place |
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| 17:58.10 | gravity | Redwraith111: Create a file named ~/.xsession and put "/usr/bin/fvwm" in it |
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| 17:58.18 | Redwraith111 | ok.. |
| 17:58.19 | gravity | Redwraith111: You... formatted... to get rid of gnome? |
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| 17:58.24 | Redwraith111 | that guy told me to |
| 17:58.26 | gravity | Redwraith111: That's... wow... a bad idea |
| 17:58.30 | gravity | Anyway, done deal |
| 17:58.32 | Redwraith111 | he was like just install it with something else |
| 17:58.36 | Redwraith111 | well..gnome was being dumb |
| 17:58.45 | gravity | Redwraith111: Actually, tell me the output of the command "which fvwm" |
| 17:58.46 | Redwraith111 | and i would log out and the screen would just stay black and no login manager |
| 17:59.05 | fusQuanto | does anyone here run windowmaker? |
| 17:59.06 | Redwraith111 | i go startx fvwm and it gives some error and xserver closes |
| 17:59.37 | Redwraith111 | i cant give the error because im in windows now |
| 17:59.37 | gravity | Redwraith111: You just run startx. X will read ~/.xsession and execute the commands in it. So if you put /usr/bin/fvwm (or the actual path to fvwm, if that's wrong) then X will execute that instead of gnome |
| 17:59.57 | gravity | Redwraith111: Make sense? |
| 18:00.04 | Redwraith111 | i didnt install gnome.. k, then how can i select windows managers if i have two |
| 18:00.10 | Redwraith111 | right from the prompt |
| 18:00.20 | Redwraith111 | also where is the .xsession file |
| 18:00.24 | hlp_me | is there a way to limit a .xsession-error log file size? |
| 18:00.32 | gravity | Well, if you don't use something like wdm/kdm/gdm then you'll have to edit your ~/.xsession to do it |
| 18:00.46 | gravity | Redwraith111: It probably doesn't exist yet. Create it in your home directory (hence the ~) |
| 18:00.52 | Redwraith111 | oh so |
| 18:01.07 | Redwraith111 | hmm |
| 18:01.17 | Redwraith111 | slash/home |
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| 18:01.21 | Redwraith111 | then .xsession |
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| 18:01.35 | Redwraith111 | or just root dir .xsession |
| 18:01.35 | gravity | Redwraith111: Just ~/.xsession |
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| 18:01.44 | gravity | Redwraith111: ~ is your personal home directory |
| 18:01.49 | Redwraith111 | ok |
| 18:01.50 | gravity | Redwraith111: /home/username |
| 18:01.51 | Redwraith111 | i get it |
| 18:01.58 | gravity | So /home/username/.xsession |
| 18:02.03 | Redwraith111 | if i set it for root will it set for my user? |
| 18:02.12 | gravity | Redwraith111: Try going to some random directory. Then cd ~ and see where you end up |
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| 18:02.22 | snk00sj | good evening |
| 18:02.22 | gravity | Redwraith111: No, this is for individual users. |
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| 18:02.37 | snk00sj | i want to mount a windows partition using fstab |
| 18:02.39 | Redwraith111 | ok how do i set it for all users? |
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| 18:02.56 | Redwraith111 | or just do that once im in fvwm? |
| 18:02.59 | Phl33t | aah! i think my drive is corrupt! i cant run cfdisk or fdisk on it because it wont open!!! |
| 18:03.07 | snk00sj | i added this line in my fstab file : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 |
| 18:03.17 | snk00sj | and the mount works fine, but i can only list it as root user |
| 18:03.30 | snk00sj | i want to be able to read it with all users in the gid=100 group |
| 18:03.33 | toomboy | asg: one last question ;) with mb2md im noticing it only works for the user ive logged into shell with, even doing su username, or just su it still thinks im original user so i cant convert like roots mail, since i disable root login via ssh. any ideas ? |
| 18:03.45 | Redwraith111 | alright then ill do that gravity |
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| 18:03.52 | Redwraith111 | is fvwm any good? |
| 18:03.57 | Phl33t | help :( |
| 18:04.04 | gravity | Redwraith111: If you like it, it's fine. Plenty of people like it |
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| 18:04.14 | Redwraith111 | what else is good |
| 18:04.15 | Redwraith111 | fast |
| 18:04.20 | Redwraith111 | and easy/useful |
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| 18:04.26 | toomboy | asg: nm, su - fixed that ;) |
| 18:04.29 | gravity | Redwraith111: icewm, windowmaker, fluxbox, pwm, ion |
| 18:04.30 | Redwraith111 | ill get kde 3.4 when it has the package |
| 18:04.36 | Redwraith111 | ice.. |
| 18:04.38 | Redwraith111 | whats what i wanted |
| 18:04.43 | chealer | Redwraith111: don't count on it soon |
| 18:04.46 | Redwraith111 | i was thinking fvwm for some reason |
| 18:04.58 | Redwraith111 | ill dl ice |
| 18:04.58 | Redwraith111 | lol |
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| 18:05.28 | Phl33t | is there anything i can do about a corruppt drive |
| 18:05.28 | snk00sj | can any novice linux user please help me for 10 seconds with my mount problem ? |
| 18:05.51 | cristian | hola a tod@s |
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| 18:05.52 | jbvc | Hi |
| 18:05.55 | gravity | snk00sj: You can't read your windows partition as a user? |
| 18:05.57 | Redwraith111 | thanks gravity |
| 18:06.08 | snk00sj | no no permission to list it |
| 18:06.15 | snk00sj | i can only read it as root |
| 18:06.16 | cristian | i need software to convert .avi to vdc, somebody help! |
| 18:06.18 | snk00sj | very strange |
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| 18:06.41 | snk00sj | fstab : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 |
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| 18:07.00 | snk00sj | and /volume/c has all 777 permissions, with group users (gid=100) |
| 18:07.01 | chealer | what's vdc? |
| 18:07.07 | snk00sj | i don't understand whats going wrong |
| 18:07.08 | cristian | vcd sorry |
| 18:07.13 | fusQuanto | is there debian kernel howto? or should i just do it from source like ive been doign ... |
| 18:07.18 | snk00sj | vcd = video ? |
| 18:07.22 | cristian | yed |
| 18:07.24 | snk00sj | like vcr |
| 18:07.25 | cristian | yes |
| 18:07.26 | snk00sj | :) |
| 18:07.36 | chealer | !tell fusQuanto about kp |
| 18:07.40 | fusQuanto | thx |
| 18:08.33 | hlp_me | is there a way to limit a .xsession-error log file size? |
| 18:08.47 | snk00sj | anyone ? please :p |
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| 18:10.21 | whatsayyou | okay so xfce is a DE, and fvwm is a WM |
| 18:10.29 | Phl33t | i know this is bad... but i really need someone to message and help me with my hdd... who has fixed a corrupt drive and can help me? |
| 18:10.30 | ix | root! <3 |
| 18:10.36 | whatsayyou | would it make a difference if i used xfce on wm? |
| 18:10.44 | whatsayyou | compared to xfce on my current x-window-system |
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| 18:12.04 | Phl33t | nobody can help me?! |
| 18:12.11 | trueno | Anyone has succeded in connecting to Win2003 Server's Remote Desktop with Linux? How? Does wine support it? |
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| 18:12.51 | fusQuanto | !tell fusquanto about kp |
| 18:13.03 | darkx | trueno, i believe there are native linux clients to connect to a remote desktop server |
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| 18:13.27 | chealer | trueno: I suppose VNC or a RDP client would be simpler |
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| 18:14.30 | whatsayyou | do i let users shutdown the pc by sudo or editing the sudoers file |
| 18:14.46 | trueno | darkx: chealer: Any suggestions? |
| 18:15.28 | chealer | trueno: for RDP client, KDE has "Remote Desktop Connection" |
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| 18:15.37 | Henning | whatsayyou: Huh? |
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| 18:15.50 | whatsayyou | nvm reading man sudoers |
| 18:15.58 | Henning | whatsayyou: You could edit the sudoers file so users are allowed to shut down the system using the shutdown command yes :) |
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| 18:16.32 | whatsayyou | Henning, do i do it by using the sudo command or editing /etc/sudoers though |
| 18:16.37 | chealer | trueno: there's also rdesktop, grdesktop |
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| 18:16.55 | Henning | whatsayyou: You edit /etc/sudoers to allow access. |
| 18:17.20 | Henning | whatsayyou: Afterwards users can run the command you've allowed access to by using the sudo command, example `sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now` |
| 18:17.31 | whatsayyou | oh alright |
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| 18:17.58 | whatsayyou | is there a syntax i should have or do i just put username = command.i.allow |
| 18:18.25 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows of a program to compare 2 images and give a value of the similarity between them? |
| 18:18.34 | Henning | The syntax is quite peculiar imo, read the sudoers manual page, it has examples |
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| 18:18.47 | Henning | I never remember it myself, always consult the manual for that one := |
| 18:18.50 | whatsayyou | Henning, no joke.. i'm looking at it now. weird |
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| 18:20.16 | arle | hello, there |
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| 18:20.25 | whatsayyou | it says Cmnd ::= but in my sudoers file its Blabla = blabla , but why |
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| 18:20.31 | Henning | whatsayyou: I suppose that's the price to pay for the flexibility it offers. Good luck :) |
| 18:20.33 | arle | I've the thirteen CDs of sarge |
| 18:20.38 | arle | at home now |
| 18:20.43 | arle | I am upgrading my woody |
| 18:20.50 | arle | I've apt-cdrom added all the CD set |
| 18:21.00 | whatsayyou | O_O 13 cd's |
| 18:21.09 | arle | and modified the /etc/apt/sources.list in order to fetch the correct sources (testing) |
| 18:21.39 | arle | but still have to download a bunch of files (1 day of connection at 5 kbps, my dial-up) :( |
| 18:21.43 | arle | what should i do? |
| 18:21.58 | arle | whatsayyou: yes, a buch of files |
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| 18:22.11 | arle | but still have to dload 451 mb of files :o |
| 18:22.16 | fusQuanto | i just setup debian+ windowmaker, and hte xterm dockapp is only clickable once and then it greys out, i forgot how to get around that... it was soemthign like /bin/sh -c "exec /blah/xterm &" , can someone remind me? |
| 18:22.25 | whatsayyou | if i were you though i'd screw woody and just setup from the 13 cd's |
| 18:22.25 | trueno | chealer: Thanks, gonna have a look at that :-) |
| 18:22.35 | whatsayyou | which is more than enough methinks |
| 18:22.41 | whatsayyou | but since you're on a dialup i can understand that |
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| 18:22.54 | chealer | arle: do you have an idea why? |
| 18:22.58 | gravity | arle: Testing is very much a moving target |
| 18:23.03 | arle | whatsayyou: you mean re-installing the full system? |
| 18:23.11 | whatsayyou | i'm not recommending anything |
| 18:23.20 | gravity | arle: Lots of packages have changed in testing since your CD images were made |
| 18:23.32 | whatsayyou | just what i'd do from experience |
| 18:23.36 | arle | gravity: I know but if I have 13 cds.. why the hell do I have to dload so many mbs?? |
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| 18:23.49 | whatsayyou | arle, well gravity just told you why |
| 18:23.50 | gravity | arle: Like I said. The packages have changed. You don't *have* to download them |
| 18:24.12 | arle | gravity: so... |
| 18:24.12 | gravity | arle: You can install from CD's alone, then put the packages on hold that you don't want to download updates to |
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| 18:24.34 | arle | how can i apt-get update && upgrade without having to download that mass |
| 18:24.43 | whatsayyou | arle, i've been told before that if upgrading on a slow connection, have only the base o/s |
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| 18:24.53 | whatsayyou | that way you won't need to upgrade so much crap |
| 18:24.54 | gravity | arle: Basically, change your internet sources back to woody initially. Install your updated packages from CD. Then put testing back in your sources list, apt-get update. Put the packages on hold that you don't want, and update the rest. |
| 18:25.13 | gravity | arle: And don't use apt-get for this process. You'll just hate life. Use a real frontend like dselect or aptitude |
| 18:25.49 | arle | gravuty: thank you very much. I know aptitude... I'll try what you say |
| 18:25.50 | gravity | arle: aptitude or dselect will let you put stuff on hold very easily |
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| 18:26.04 | kraftwerk | does anybody know zynaddsubfx? |
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| 18:26.31 | gravity | arle: Be careful though. Security issues in testing are going to be something you'll have to watch out for yourself and doubly so if you're choosing which packages to update and which to hold |
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| 18:27.16 | arle | gravity, thanks a lot |
| 18:27.20 | arle | I'll use aptitude |
| 18:27.25 | gravity | arle: Good luck |
| 18:27.32 | arle | And put an eye on security |
| 18:27.38 | arle | gravity: :-) |
| 18:27.51 | gravity | 13 CD's... geez |
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| 18:28.07 | gravity | Maybe we really do need to slim the archive :-p |
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| 18:28.42 | chealer | when there will be 100, people will understand they don't have to download them all |
| 18:28.55 | gravity | I think you overestimate them |
| 18:29.04 | chealer | yeah, maybe :) |
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| 18:29.08 | chealer | let's hope the UT2004 is GPLed soon ;) |
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| 18:30.02 | grivell | chealer: Rumors of Ut2004 being gpl'd? |
| 18:30.03 | Ferret | ... |
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| 18:30.14 | chealer | grivell: hehe, no, sorry :-P |
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| 18:30.28 | grivell | Too good to be true. |
| 18:30.59 | runedude | if anyone can tell my why kino isnt on the debian package lists anymore or can give me a list that does have it to point apt-get to I'll be very grateful |
| 18:31.03 | m4f4 | http://fek.az :) |
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| 18:31.06 | whatsayyou | okay so in order to let my users shutdown, i add SHUTDOWN = /usr/sbin/shutdown in my Cmnd_Alias, then add username SHUTDOWN = ALL in the users file? |
| 18:31.10 | whatsayyou | users line* |
| 18:31.15 | Ferret | Maybe then we can make a binary that doesn't dynamically link to a library in the present working directery of whoever runs it... |
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| 18:33.49 | yang | can anyone help me please, i can't make @ symbol or any symbol that requieres using right alt as mod. i'm using kde 3.3.2 and debian woody |
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| 18:34.20 | superSSS | ghost! |
| 18:34.29 | runedude | if anyone can tell my why kino isnt on the debian package lists anymore or can give me a list that does have it to point apt-get to I'll be very grateful |
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| 18:35.24 | chealer | yang: just trying, but do you use some laptop keyboard or something non-standard? |
| 18:35.39 | yang | nop |
| 18:35.40 | chealer | yang: kde 3.3.2 on woody? I wonder how you did that |
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| 18:36.35 | yang2 | compiling from source |
| 18:36.39 | chealer | yang2: check Keyboard Layout in control center anyway. check Keyboard model |
| 18:36.49 | yang2 | i don't have it enabled |
| 18:36.59 | chealer | yang2: how long did it take you? |
| 18:37.02 | yang2 | i don't have keyb layouts enabled... |
| 18:37.15 | hippi | Does anyone know how to make a mysql server listen on two diffrent tcp ports? |
| 18:37.27 | chealer | yang2: you can't make them only in KDE or let's say also tty1? |
| 18:37.57 | yang2 | like one day, and three or four head akes |
| 18:38.09 | yang2 | i can make them in tty1 |
| 18:38.10 | yang2 | in console |
| 18:38.22 | yang2 | and also when i run only the x server without kde |
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| 18:38.34 | chealer | you should probably check keyboard layouts then. there's also #debian-kde |
| 18:38.56 | yang2 | i already did that and tested almost every combination... |
| 18:39.45 | yang2 | i need symbols like ] for matlab... |
| 18:39.48 | whatsayyou | Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `SHUTDOWN' referenced near line 18 |
| 18:39.51 | yang2 | it's kinda important... |
| 18:39.51 | whatsayyou | hm what does that mean |
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| 18:41.47 | yang2 | well thanks anyway |
| 18:41.51 | yang2 | bye! |
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| 18:44.00 | tristezo2k | Hi everybody... |
| 18:44.01 | tristezo2k | on the debian startup... does init executes always /etc/rc.d/ and after that the rc2 ? |
| 18:44.14 | tristezo2k | sorry. |
| 18:44.18 | simonrvn | there is no /etc/rc.d/ |
| 18:44.24 | tristezo2k | on the debian startup... does init executes always /etc/rcS.d/ and after that the rc2 ? |
| 18:44.29 | tristezo2k | yeah... a lapsus :P |
| 18:44.30 | simonrvn | AFAIR |
| 18:44.35 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 18:44.41 | simonrvn | S is single |
| 18:44.46 | simonrvn | so yes |
| 18:44.53 | gravity | tristezo2k: Yes, unless of course you've set it to use something other than runlevel 2 |
| 18:44.57 | tristezo2k | Oh! :O i thought it was S from startup |
| 18:45.06 | simonrvn | by default, yes |
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| 18:45.42 | whatsayyou | hm.. i have 2 users in my sudoers as User_Alias NORMAL = user1, user2 |
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| 18:46.31 | tristezo2k | it´s the default install and booting in runlevel 2 (id:2:initdefault:) so, init does or does no executes /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
| 18:46.32 | whatsayyou | and i have Cmnd_Alias SHUTDOWN = /usr/sbin/shutdown , and then in User i have NORMAL SHUTDOWN = ALL |
| 18:46.38 | whatsayyou | can my users shutdown now? |
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| 18:47.00 | whatsayyou | cos i keep getting an error Warning: undeclared Host_Alias `SHUTDOWN' |
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| 18:48.37 | mte | hello..xfce4.2 has been out for quite some time and it's still not in unstable/testing, whereas the newest firefox is. Is there any rule that says how those packages get included? |
| 18:48.39 | simonrvn | whatsayyou: the order is important. man sudoers, google |
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| 18:49.21 | chealer | mte: no. DEs take longer |
| 18:50.49 | Ferret | mte: Also it might be more important to get a program like firefox in stable more quickly, because of security bugfixes etc. |
| 18:51.07 | mte | Ferret, i agree.. |
| 18:51.08 | Ferret | (unstable even) |
| 18:51.10 | chealer | well 1.0.1 is a security release primarily |
| 18:51.32 | mte | chealer, i see..well i'm new here so i have absolutely no idea about this - 1 month? 2 months? 3? more? Maybe some opinion based on previous experiences? |
| 18:52.12 | wfq | "Uncompressiing kernel...ok, booting kernel" what happen? |
| 18:52.26 | chealer | mte: you can look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/xfce4 and compare to xfce.org to try to see a trend |
| 18:52.35 | wfq | "Uncompressiing kernel...ok, booting kernel" and stop... what happen? |
| 18:52.37 | mte | chealer, thanks |
| 18:52.57 | chealer | mte: just look at xfce.org, there was a 4.2.1.1 release no more than 2 days ago. |
| 18:53.35 | chealer | it's normal that debian packagers tend to wait that upstream stabilizes a bit more, particularly for DEs |
| 18:53.57 | mte | chealer, yup..maybe it is better to wait ;) |
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| 18:54.12 | whatsayyou | i'm pretty sure i got the order right, just didn't add anything in Host_Alias because i don't need to filter hosts since the users are only on this pc |
| 18:54.27 | mte | oh i see 4.2 is in experimental..is this even less than unstable? i haven't heard of it before.. |
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| 18:54.44 | chealer | and look at topic. in KDE and gnome's case at least it is not sure that 3.4 and 2.10 will enter sarge, and usually if they don't, there's an extra delay to enter unstable (cause of the freeze) |
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| 18:55.28 | chealer | mte: where do you see that BTW? |
| 18:55.40 | mte | chealer, on the link you gave me ;) |
| 18:56.03 | tmccrary | How would I go about creating a deb that applied a bunch of changes to gconf? Like custom defaults |
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| 18:56.15 | Bolland | hello #debian, I need help with exim4. I needed a fresh start with the exim4 configuration, so I tried removing it with apt and installing it again, no use. So I removed /etc/exim4/* and retried, same problem, but now I don't have _any_ config files (obviously). How can I get a fresh start and get that nifty semi-graphical interface when reinstalling exim4? |
| 18:56.16 | tmccrary | I have found out how to make a deb, but not how to do this |
| 18:56.18 | chealer | mte: oh, I didn't look at the page :) so it entered today, probably still in incoming |
| 18:56.31 | mte | yup, today ;) |
| 18:56.50 | mte | so experimental is not unstable right? |
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| 18:57.07 | chealer | !tell mte about experimental |
| 18:57.08 | darkcmd | what entered today? |
| 18:57.13 | mte | thanks |
| 18:57.14 | grivell | mte: right, experimental is death incarnate. |
| 18:57.27 | chealer | darkcmd: xfce 4.2 |
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| 18:57.45 | darkcmd | into what branch? |
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| 18:57.57 | chealer | darkcmd: experimental, but it's still in incoming |
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| 18:58.21 | darkcmd | is incoming a branch higher than experimental? |
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| 18:58.42 | aardvark | spambots? |
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| 18:59.04 | chealer | darkcmd: it's not even a branch |
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| 18:59.16 | whatsayyou | ok this might seem stupid, but whats my pc hostname, the one beside my $ in bash? |
| 18:59.19 | chealer | !tell darkcmd about incoming |
| 18:59.19 | whatsayyou | like hostname $ |
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| 18:59.38 | chealer | whatsayyou: hostname is a command |
| 18:59.45 | randey | is there any way to capture all the booting messages, particularly the init error msgs in to a single file? |
| 18:59.57 | mte | !tell mte_ about incoming |
| 19:00.02 | chealer | randey: dmesg doesn't work? |
| 19:00.04 | whatsayyou | right, thanks. |
| 19:00.07 | ix | dmesg > file |
| 19:00.07 | ix | ? |
| 19:00.10 | whatsayyou | sudo is finally setup hurray |
| 19:00.17 | chealer | mte: please use /msg dpkg incoming instead |
| 19:00.20 | darkcmd | so incoming is between experimental and sid? |
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| 19:00.34 | mte | chealer, sorry i will next time ;) |
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| 19:01.15 | randey | chealer : no it work with all the msgs with init deamons |
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| 19:01.28 | chealer | mte: no problem. dpkg exists to be abused. but you must do so discretely ;) |
| 19:01.28 | randey | s/it work /it wont |
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| 19:01.40 | aardvark | umm what's with all the spambots joining. |
| 19:01.43 | whatsayyou | so after saving what i've done in visudo.. its set? i can instantly use sudo without rebooting? |
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| 19:01.59 | victor_ | somebady can help? |
| 19:02.05 | chealer | randey: oh ok, use bootlog then |
| 19:02.07 | whatsayyou | !ask |
| 19:02.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 19:02.15 | mte | chealer ;) |
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| 19:02.21 | whatsayyou | woop |
| 19:02.29 | randey | chealer : thanks I will test that |
| 19:02.30 | victor_ | how to create local mirror for apt-get? links on docs? |
| 19:02.36 | victor_ | from 14CD |
| 19:02.37 | insanekane | whatsayyou: yes |
| 19:02.54 | whatsayyou | victor_, apt-setup should give you an easy interface |
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| 19:03.08 | chealer | victor_: apt-proxy I believe |
| 19:03.11 | victor_ | thanks, i'll try :) |
| 19:03.15 | aardvark | alindeman: they're joining but they're not spamming (yet)... ReMoTe, Tommy |
| 19:03.41 | aardvark | alindeman: that'll work |
| 19:03.43 | wfq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.52 | aardvark | hm same IP |
| 19:04.39 | gaasfet | I need a recommendation for a new color printer |
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| 19:05.27 | chealer | gaasfet: linuxprinting.org |
| 19:05.44 | chealer | gaasfet: it recommends linux-friendly brands at least |
| 19:06.11 | victor_ | copy data from all CD in one folder& |
| 19:06.11 | victor_ | ? |
| 19:06.31 | victor_ | and then config apt? |
| 19:06.56 | lith--- | I have a fresh install of helix(woodY) and im behind an actiontek nat with dsl... dhclient picks up an ipaddy just fine, i can ping anything on the internet (www.google.com) i can traceroute, but i can not make a connection with lynx or firefox or ftp or anything. DOes anyone know why that would be? |
| 19:07.04 | chealer | victor_: what's your native language? |
| 19:07.10 | victor_ | russian |
| 19:07.16 | victor_ | sorry for bad english |
| 19:07.25 | victor_ | i'm learning :) |
| 19:07.35 | lith--- | victor: you seem to be doing well to me :) |
| 19:07.47 | lith--- | better then i can type russian :> |
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| 19:08.17 | chealer | victor_: there are a few people in #debian-russian that may be able to help too. I didn't say you were so bad though ;) |
| 19:08.29 | flawd | is there no mmap in debian? |
| 19:08.29 | victor_ | thanks :) go there |
| 19:08.37 | lith--- | chealer: :) |
| 19:08.42 | gaasfet | chealer: canon has low[er] cost consumables, but the drivers are all older types, TurboPrint commercial drivers only for the newer printers |
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| 19:09.02 | chealer | gaasfet: my mother bought an i250 and I returned it |
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| 19:09.16 | gaasfet | chealer: :0 |
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| 19:09.49 | chealer | gaasfet: turboprint was available, but...it's still turboprint. there was a free i550 driver I think |
| 19:09.56 | mops_ | how can I read the contents of iso image without burning it? |
| 19:10.02 | mops_ | I have iso image on my disk |
| 19:10.03 | gaasfet | chealer: $37 for the commercial drivers, but compared to epson and Hp ink maybe not bad?? |
| 19:10.07 | chealer | mops_: mount it |
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| 19:10.21 | mops_ | chealer: I tried, but propably not good |
| 19:10.26 | mops_ | chealer: how can I do it? |
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| 19:11.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:11.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:11.55 | joniroot | I need some help installing debian on Asus P5GD2 motherboard... No hdd appears to be available... |
| 19:11.57 | flawd | a program tries to use mmap and gives "Could not mmap /dev/dsp: Invalid argument". Pressing mm and tab, bash shows nnapr and mmapw but not mmap. there is no mmap deb in synaptic |
| 19:12.19 | snk00sj | joniroot sata ? |
| 19:12.23 | DrPete | Whats the word these days on backupMX mail servers. I have read alot about them been the source of spam and not needed as servers have a long retry |
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| 19:12.51 | chealer | mops_: you need fd iso9660 and -o loop AFAIR but I don't remember well neither |
| 19:13.01 | chealer | s/fd/filesystem |
| 19:13.38 | joniroot | snk00sj yes both disk are SATA, connected on SATA1 and SATA2 (red connector) so both are master |
| 19:13.52 | chealer | gaasfet: hum...I really like HP |
| 19:14.10 | aFlag | is there a way to see what's in a package before installing it? |
| 19:14.18 | sigma957 | what packages do I need to apt-get to install gnome? I use unstable |
| 19:14.24 | flawd | anyone know about that? |
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| 19:14.37 | flawd | if there is a mmap app for sarge? |
| 19:14.50 | gaasfet | chealer: are they refillable or are consumables expensive? |
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| 19:15.06 | caphuso | flawd: mmap isn't a program |
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| 19:15.16 | sigma957 | aFlag: apt-cache show pkgname |
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| 19:15.27 | xam | flawd: there is no 'mmap' app. The same way why there is no 'irq' app |
| 19:15.38 | chealer | gaasfet: they're expensive for sure. I couldn't compare though |
| 19:15.41 | flawd | caphuso, oh. well, quakeforge tries to mmap /dev/dsp and says invalid argument. |
| 19:15.44 | flawd | I see |
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| 19:15.54 | aFlag | sigma957, it only gives more information about it, not what's in it |
| 19:15.58 | flawd | I recall there was a command called mmap on mandrake |
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| 19:17.20 | chealer | !tell sigma957 about install gnome |
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| 19:17.45 | ToTu | hi what this iptables command do iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -m state --state NEW,INVALID -j DROP ?? |
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| 19:18.01 | abrotman | ToTu: #iptables |
| 19:18.25 | dafresh | hi all, between maildrop and procmail, which is the most simple ? |
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| 19:18.47 | abrotman | try them both .. let us know |
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| 19:20.23 | dafresh | abrotman: i have the time to read the 2 doc |
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| 19:20.43 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
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| 19:21.33 | dafresh | abrotman: do you know one of theme ? |
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| 19:22.12 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all, in which package is kwrite? I have kdebase-bin but I don't have it, somehow |
| 19:22.34 | valdyn_ | !tell jepel_tailweaver about search |
| 19:22.38 | flawd | someone here said that if I have a 2.6.8 kernel which I do, I use alsa. However when I select the oss module in xmms I get sound |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | dafresh: nope |
| 19:22.48 | jjazz | Can I apt-get an updated kernel? |
| 19:22.49 | drini | jepel_tailweaver: it's on kate |
| 19:22.50 | flawd | doesnt that mean I use oss? |
| 19:22.55 | drini | kate and kwrite are the same package |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | jjazz: yes |
| 19:23.00 | drini | err program |
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| 19:23.07 | Pappa | flawd: there is OSS emulation |
| 19:23.18 | p88 | hi all |
| 19:23.31 | p88 | I always get Inbound and Outbound messages on the console |
| 19:23.34 | flawd | well lsmod doesnt show anything with alsa in it |
| 19:23.35 | p88 | what are they? |
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| 19:23.50 | jjazz | abrotman: Any pointers. Google keeps pointing me to custom compiled kernels. |
| 19:23.56 | flawd | but snd_pcm, snd_ac97_codec etc |
| 19:23.59 | abrotman | jjazz: what do you want to update to? |
| 19:24.00 | chealer | flawd: 2.6 has ALSA in the kernel. that doesn't mean it's used by default |
| 19:24.10 | flawd | I see |
| 19:24.21 | p88 | it is like Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=wxx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:.... |
| 19:24.23 | flawd | how do you determine what is being used? |
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| 19:24.32 | abrotman | p88: iptables messages i think |
| 19:24.36 | p88 | is it the firewall? |
| 19:24.37 | p88 | oh |
| 19:24.38 | jjazz | abrotman: I have 2.4.27. I'd like to try the 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:24.39 | flawd | or is it from application to application |
| 19:24.43 | p88 | can I keep it from doing that? |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | jjazz: which version of debian? |
| 19:24.48 | p88 | it is annoying |
| 19:24.53 | p88 | I can't even type well |
| 19:24.54 | jjazz | abrotman: sarge |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | dunno .. don't look at the console? |
| 19:25.03 | p88 | :-\ |
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| 19:25.08 | abrotman | jjazz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one you want .. install it |
| 19:25.11 | p88 | any ideas? |
| 19:25.27 | jjazz | abrotman: It's really that easy? Do I have to fiddle with grub afterwards? |
| 19:25.30 | p88 | it drives me mad |
| 19:25.42 | abrotman | jjazz: it should do it for you .. but you can double check after it installs |
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| 19:25.55 | jjazz | abrotman: Awesome. Thanks a lot. |
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| 19:26.18 | p88 | is there an iptables config where I can set it? |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | p88: uhm ... maybe in the syslog settings |
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| 19:26.51 | spamhog | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.57 | p88 | I'll try it |
| 19:27.01 | cafuego | ewwww |
| 19:27.04 | p88 | I don't have X |
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| 19:27.05 | p88 | so... |
| 19:27.10 | p88 | I have to work with console |
| 19:27.20 | abrotman | !tell p88 about enter |
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| 19:28.04 | abrotman | p88: if you can't figure it out . try asking #iptables |
| 19:28.12 | chealer | flawd: it's OSS by default I believe. install alsa to use it |
| 19:28.13 | narg | heh, leave it to desktop enviroments to crash my box. Gnome and Kde are the only things Ive ever had take down my box :p |
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| 19:29.22 | chealer | narg: I'd be surprised that a DE "crashed" your box. they can crash themselves though |
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| 19:29.42 | chealer | narg: what happened exactly? |
| 19:30.05 | spiff_ | is there an easy way to append `file -b <filename>` to the output of each file in ls -l? |
| 19:30.27 | p88 | abrotman: I know about the punctuation but I can't see what I have written as it is flooded by iptables output |
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| 19:30.49 | abrotman | p88: anyways .. check the syslog stuff .. if it doesn't work .. #iptables |
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| 19:31.14 | abrotman | p88: and ctrl-l might clear it up |
| 19:31.17 | abrotman | i'm not sure htough |
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| 19:31.48 | narg | chealer: Not that it matters, but yes, it didnt totally take down my box. Only killed x. But its as close as anything gets to it. |
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| 19:32.24 | p88 | maybe I figured out the syslogd |
| 19:32.36 | p88 | I have to wait for the message to come again |
| 19:32.58 | p88 | I redirected it to tty8 so I can work on my other ttys |
| 19:33.01 | chealer | narg: ok, I didn't see KDE do that since a long time. |
| 19:33.18 | eronvik | is there a better light-weight browser than dillo? (woody) |
| 19:33.25 | p88 | abrotman: it seems that it stopped everything it doesn't even log to tty8 atm |
| 19:33.30 | abrotman | good |
| 19:33.36 | p88 | oooh |
| 19:33.39 | tmccrary | Is SELinux support in Debian? |
| 19:33.45 | p88 | ok that is wrong... it still goes on |
| 19:33.47 | tmccrary | sid or anything |
| 19:33.48 | p88 | I didn't fix it |
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| 19:34.21 | abrotman | p88: try #iptables |
| 19:34.28 | p88 | ok |
| 19:34.39 | abrotman | and it's only a guess .. they may tell you it's not thier fault |
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| 19:34.57 | p88 | probably :-\ |
| 19:35.08 | Brill | hi friends |
| 19:35.47 | Brill | what |
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| 19:35.50 | Brill | happened |
| 19:35.59 | abrotman | to |
| 19:36.00 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:36.04 | cafuego | now? |
| 19:36.11 | p88 | they are not there |
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| 19:36.22 | abrotman | p88: wait .. they will come around sometime |
| 19:36.32 | weng | hello every one |
| 19:36.36 | torpet | hi folks, how do i debianize a kernel-module? |
| 19:36.44 | p88 | I will wait |
| 19:36.47 | dabreegster | The /etc/sudoers syntax confuses me a bit. I'm using: jigstar ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL at the moment. It works, but I want jigstar only to be able to run 'openvt' with any arguments and 'login' only with the arguments of '-f dabreegster'. How do I do that? |
| 19:36.53 | Brill | debian espanish |
| 19:36.53 | abrotman | !module-assitant |
| 19:36.56 | p88 | I will put irssi onto the vnc server as I have to go now |
| 19:36.56 | abrotman | !module-assistant |
| 19:36.56 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additinal (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them |
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| 19:37.04 | Brill | waht writter |
| 19:37.08 | Brill | friends |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:37.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:37.20 | cafuego | ¡no se! |
| 19:37.22 | torpet | because there's no kernel-module in the debian pkg tree for "linux-wlan-ng" |
| 19:37.25 | Brill | ok thx |
| 19:37.28 | Brill | cafuego |
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| 19:39.31 | torpet | isn't module-assistant only for building already debianized packages? |
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| 19:39.46 | d4e | t |
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| 19:39.55 | abrotman | torpet: read the docs |
| 19:40.04 | abrotman | torpet: then you will know for sure :) |
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| 19:40.17 | cafuego | Oh hold on, I see. |
| 19:40.20 | cafuego | It's sunday. |
| 19:40.20 | torpet | *readingon* |
| 19:40.24 | torpet | :) |
| 19:40.27 | raldi | Is there a utility that takes the filename of an image and prints its height and width? |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | cafuego: already? |
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| 19:40.45 | cafuego | abrotman: 6 1/2 hours ... |
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| 19:40.50 | martrootamm | Hi. |
| 19:40.54 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm late for my bday party! |
| 19:41.09 | abrotman | cafuego: wait .. not my bday .. someone else's |
| 19:41.10 | martrootamm | asg: I hadn't gotten the dhcp stuff to start but I got X working!!! |
| 19:41.10 | cafuego | raldi: 'file' - works fine GIFs and PNGs, not sure about JPEGs. |
| 19:41.27 | helix | cafuego: is everyone in your family tall? |
| 19:41.28 | martrootamm | asg: dhcp to start on bootup |
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| 19:41.29 | cafuego | abrotman: Well, it's THEIR party and you can be late if you want to. |
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| 19:42.07 | joniroot | s |
| 19:42.08 | raldi | cafuego: no, not jpegs. hmm. |
| 19:42.10 | cafuego | helix: My dad is a bit taller than average, my mum isn't. My brotyher is about a tall as me, a 10cm taller than average. |
| 19:42.16 | abrotman | cafuego: i suppose .. i guess i should get a gift for the bday boy :) |
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| 19:42.25 | helix | cafuego: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040405fa_fact |
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| 19:42.30 | helix | cafuego: it's saying dutch people are HUGE |
| 19:42.30 | cafuego | raldi: You could write a quick php 4-liner. |
| 19:42.31 | alby | hi |
| 19:42.44 | raldi | what i'm trying to do is iterate over a bunch of images and use "convert" to resize them down to 640x480 |
| 19:42.48 | martrootamm | Question: I got X working, but switched tty's and when I switch to tty5, I get text and no x |
| 19:42.56 | Henning | raldi: identify from imagemagick |
| 19:42.59 | raldi | but convert doesn't apparantly support a -only-shink option |
| 19:43.04 | alby | on sarge the default boot loader will be always lilo ? |
| 19:43.04 | abrotman | helix: huge how? |
| 19:43.05 | martrootamm | Question: How do i get the graphical stuff back? |
| 19:43.08 | helix | abrotman: tall |
| 19:43.08 | cafuego | helix: They are on average the tallest in the world, yes. I'm 6'4" and don't seem particularly out of place there 9whereas in Australia I *FEEL* tall. |
| 19:43.09 | raldi | henning: thanks, i'll look into that |
| 19:43.17 | Henning | raldi: That was for height and width. |
| 19:43.21 | chealer | alby: it's already grub |
| 19:43.31 | raldi | henning: hey, awesome |
| 19:43.34 | martrootamm | gotta go tho |
| 19:43.36 | raldi | that's just what i was looking for |
| 19:43.38 | Henning | I'm not sure if there has been other questions introduced as I didn't read the backlog :) |
| 19:43.39 | cafuego | helix: I think it's the cheese. I have a short friend, and he doesn't like cheese. |
| 19:43.49 | raldi | have a great day / night guys |
| 19:44.06 | flawd | what would an error like "Could not mmap /dev/dsp: Invalid argument" be caused by? |
| 19:44.08 | alby | chealer, ok, it is no possible during installation to use lilo instead of grub? |
| 19:44.26 | chealer | alby: I'm not sure...probably |
| 19:44.27 | cafuego | helix: I have the best fun in Hong Kong. I can see the entore length of a sunway train. |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | flawd: does the device even exist? |
| 19:44.36 | flawd | /dev/dsp does yes |
| 19:44.47 | abrotman | flawd: and you're in the audio group? |
| 19:45.03 | helix | cafuego: well, I have to move to the netherlands |
| 19:45.05 | cafuego | abrotman: only 1 coffee sofar, and it's EARLY |
| 19:45.11 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
| 19:45.13 | cafuego | helix: Why? You short? |
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| 19:45.22 | helix | cafuego: no, tall. well, maybe short there. :) |
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| 19:45.29 | cafuego | How tall? |
| 19:45.30 | abrotman | helix: aren't you like 5.9? |
| 19:45.34 | helix | 178cm |
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| 19:45.35 | abrotman | err 5'9" |
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| 19:45.39 | helix | abrotman: 5'10" |
| 19:45.40 | flawd | yes abrotman |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | oh god .. convert!! |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | helix: thanks :) |
| 19:45.47 | fusQuanto | unstable=sid? |
| 19:45.48 | cafuego | 178 is just about average for women |
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| 19:46.11 | cafuego | I think the actual average is 176 |
| 19:46.17 | fusQuanto | cafuego, unstable=sid? yes? |
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| 19:46.24 | cafuego | fusQuanto: Indeed. |
| 19:46.26 | abrotman | flawd: afaik .. mmap is system call |
| 19:46.28 | fusQuanto | thx |
| 19:46.31 | abrotman | flawd: did you try google ? |
| 19:46.35 | helix | cafuego: it's like 16cm taller than average in the US |
| 19:46.40 | gridline | Is there a channel for Alioth? |
| 19:46.48 | helix | gridline: irc.oftc.net #alioth |
| 19:46.48 | abrotman | helix: i think that average is going up |
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| 19:46.53 | flawd | abrotman, however, on mandrake there was actually a command (though i never used it) that was called mmap |
| 19:46.59 | flawd | iirc |
| 19:47.03 | abrotman | flawd: you mean .. nmap ? |
| 19:47.11 | helix | cafuego: actually, 178cm is taller than average for men in the US |
| 19:47.18 | helix | not by much |
| 19:47.26 | cafuego | helix: *nod* the US has had many immigrants from less tall countires though, for instance Mexico. |
| 19:47.34 | flawd | i dont think so but of course i might be wrong |
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| 19:47.38 | helix | cafuego: even discounting immigrants (which that article addresses) |
| 19:47.45 | flawd | i know what nmap is |
| 19:47.56 | flawd | ohwell |
| 19:48.06 | flawd | guess there wont be any quakeforge with sound for me |
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| 19:48.28 | pandom | hi, how to config exim to use another node by smtp? |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | flawd: try google |
| 19:48.35 | abrotman | smarthost ? |
| 19:48.36 | flawd | yeah |
| 19:48.37 | lith--- | I have a fresh install of helix(woodY) and im behind an actiontek nat with dsl... dhclient picks up an ipaddy just fine, i can ping anything on the internet (www.google.com) i can traceroute, but i can not make a connection with lynx or firefox or ftp or anything. does anyone know why that would be? |
| 19:48.44 | lith--- | Tcpdump shows a request for an ip addr from the resolver, that comes back ok, then it shows me requesting my.ip.addr.bleh.www > x.x.x.x.www (a bunch of stuff) (DF) |
| 19:48.48 | abrotman | helix woody? |
| 19:48.51 | lith--- | but nothing back... any help would be awesome |
| 19:48.55 | hogballs | well this tvtime program works better than any windows program |
| 19:48.58 | pandom | abrotman, yeah |
| 19:48.58 | pandom | abrotman, how to config? |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | wtf is helixwoody? |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | pandom: exim-config ? |
| 19:49.04 | helix | abrotman: I have my own distro |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | helix: i know .. not based on woody :) |
| 19:49.12 | lith--- | abrotman: hehe helix was on the page i got the iso from |
| 19:49.14 | abrotman | !helixlinux |
| 19:49.15 | dpkg | i heard helixlinux is http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 19:49.23 | lith--- | hehehe |
| 19:49.24 | hogballs | now i was wondering how to enable the tv to record tv programs on a schedule? |
| 19:49.31 | lith--- | ok my mistake... the problem is stil happening though :) |
| 19:49.33 | abrotman | !d-i lith--- |
| 19:49.34 | dpkg | lith---, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:49.51 | lith--- | dpkg: :) |
| 19:49.51 | dpkg | ) is probably the smile part of a face. |
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| 19:50.04 | helix | "the smile part of a face" heh |
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| 19:50.31 | cafuego | "It is created from a face by application of a sword" |
| 19:50.37 | lith--- | my frien dstrongly recommended the distro/install that im running... but at this point i'll try any freaking thing |
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| 19:50.50 | pandom | abrotman, how to run it? exim4-conifg? |
| 19:51.03 | abrotman | lith---: well .. whatever helix is .. we don't support it .. we support stuff installed from debian installers |
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| 19:51.07 | abrotman | helix: sorry :) |
| 19:51.08 | pandom | abrotman, i want ssh connection |
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| 19:51.14 | cafuego | helix: http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/start.asp?LA=en&DM=SLEN&lp=Search/Search |
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| 19:51.24 | abrotman | pandom: ssh connect? |
| 19:51.27 | lith--- | abrotman: right on... Im downloading ti right now :) |
| 19:51.29 | Pappa | to upload a rootkit? yeah riiiight |
| 19:51.35 | lith--- | abrotman: thanks for your help, :) |
| 19:51.36 | pandom | abrotman, yes |
| 19:51.40 | hogballs | im looking for a package that will enable me to record with my tv tuner card. any idea? |
| 19:51.57 | helix | cafuego: what am I searching for? |
| 19:52.15 | pintail | does anyone have a GF 6800TDH graphics card? |
| 19:52.18 | abrotman | pandom: that doesn't make sense |
| 19:52.32 | pandom | abrotman, ? |
| 19:52.36 | pandom | abrotman, help me |
| 19:52.50 | abrotman | pandom: what does ssh have to do with exim? |
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| 19:53.42 | pandom | abrotman, i mean port 587, and tsl |
| 19:53.46 | abrotman | tls |
| 19:53.54 | pandom | !als |
| 19:53.54 | dpkg | als is probably the atlanta linux showcase. http://www.linuxshowcase.org |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | !tls |
| 19:54.02 | dpkg | tls is probably Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | see |
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| 19:54.24 | ix | !wtf |
| 19:54.29 | hogballs | IS THERE ANY WAY TO RECORD IN DEBIAN USING MY ATI TV WONDER VE? |
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| 19:54.37 | simonrvn | @wtf tls |
| 19:54.43 | abrotman | !tell hogballs about caps |
| 19:54.56 | pandom | abrotman, how to use exim to send emails by a remote MTA |
| 19:55.05 | abrotman | pandom: i think you want a smart host |
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| 19:55.18 | pandom | abrotman, yes, i know |
| 19:55.26 | pandom | abrotman, how to config |
| 19:55.28 | simonrvn | pandom: you don't need ssh to do that, nor to do STARTTLS |
| 19:55.31 | abrotman | pandom: exim-config .. it asks you if you want to use a smarthost |
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| 19:55.52 | pintail | 'm having trouble with nvidia driver on debian; I installed all with howto, X starts, but 1) nvidia splash is not shown, 2) mouse cursor is not shown and 3) windows don't update correctly |
| 19:55.55 | simonrvn | of course he sits there bugging you about it instead of actually *trying* it |
| 19:56.07 | cafuego | helix: Any stas about holland whatsoever. |
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| 19:56.14 | pandom | abrotman, yes, i did exim-config, but it didn't ask me a password |
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| 19:56.30 | abrotman | pandom: password for tls ? |
| 19:56.34 | pandom | abrotman, it's wrong without account |
| 19:56.41 | pandom | abrotman, for remote auth |
| 19:56.44 | simonrvn | password? |
| 19:56.45 | cafuego | pintail: nvidia splash is irritating, be happy. Install module-assistant, make it install the nvidia driver, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/REDME.Debian. |
| 19:56.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: are you as confused as me? |
| 19:56.58 | simonrvn | . osiuewi exd ewioexùÃ6D |
| 19:57.14 | cafuego | hogballs: gatos.sourceforge.net |
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| 19:57.21 | hogballs | ok thanks |
| 19:57.23 | asg | pandom: have you actually read the exim spec? you should. All is explained. |
| 19:57.30 | pintail | cafuego: we installed nvidia driver with that manual and with module-assistant |
| 19:57.35 | pandom | asg, which part? |
| 19:57.36 | hogballs | right now im using tvtime. its a good program |
| 19:57.40 | tmccrary | Has anyone tried using an image file (loopback) for swap space instead of a separate partition? |
| 19:57.43 | abrotman | pandom: ALL OF IT! |
| 19:57.46 | asg | pandom: the part regarding SSL/TLS and authentication |
| 19:57.57 | cafuego | helix: Health -> Health Trends -> Average Height |
| 19:58.02 | pandom | asg, and can exim fetch emails for me too? |
| 19:58.07 | caphuso | tmccrary: nobody would be that silly |
| 19:58.11 | asg | pandom: no, use getmail / fetchmail for that |
| 19:58.12 | tmccrary | Why? |
| 19:58.12 | cafuego | helix: Health -> Health Trends -> Average Height (by type of insurance) :-) |
| 19:58.19 | simonrvn | @mta |
| 19:58.21 | ravenbird | methinks mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 19:58.22 | asg | pandom: unless you mean by means of EXPN |
| 19:58.34 | pandom | !expn |
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| 19:58.36 | simonrvn | i doubt he means that |
| 19:58.50 | pandom | asg, could you help me in /msg |
| 19:58.59 | pandom | asg, fetchmail is hard for me |
| 19:59.00 | fusQuanto | i just installed and configured lilo and rebooted, however grub is still there... how do i make lilo take over? |
| 19:59.07 | simonrvn | i'll stop with the snarky comments |
| 19:59.11 | chealer | pintail: going back to nv fixes those problems? |
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| 19:59.18 | gridline | install lilo in the mBR? |
| 19:59.19 | asg | pandom: then use fetchmailconf |
| 19:59.31 | pandom | asac, i tried, no use |
| 19:59.32 | fusQuanto | i did though gridline , i ran liloconfig... |
| 19:59.40 | pandom | asg, i tried, no use |
| 19:59.45 | pandom | asg, i tried masqmail also |
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| 20:00.07 | flawd | what is memory-mapped i/o? |
| 20:00.11 | gridline | after grub can you get to lilo? |
| 20:00.15 | pandom | asg, i can't get fetchmai ssh working |
| 20:00.20 | fusQuanto | gridline, no |
| 20:00.21 | flawd | is it something I can activate? |
| 20:00.29 | fusQuanto | gridline, Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 20:00.29 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.34 | fusQuanto | gridline, lilo tells me that |
| 20:00.39 | gridline | hmm, then it seems to not have been installed |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | flawd: google! .. quake isn't in debian |
| 20:00.43 | asg | pandom: you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are doing. ssh has nothing to do with fetchmail. |
| 20:00.44 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: ignore it |
| 20:00.49 | flawd | ok |
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| 20:00.51 | flawd | sorry |
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| 20:00.54 | abrotman | flawd: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=quake+mmap+dsp&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:01.06 | abrotman | jeez |
| 20:01.07 | caphuso | asg: except when you use a tunnel, of course |
| 20:01.18 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, can i ignore this too: Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. (from lilo) |
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| 20:01.27 | ix | root! <3 |
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| 20:01.37 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: don't know |
| 20:01.38 | pandom | asg, i mean ssl |
| 20:01.48 | simonrvn | then SAY SSL |
| 20:01.49 | caphuso | poll host plugin 'ssh ...' auth ssh, or something like that |
| 20:01.50 | cafuego | fusQuanto: Seems like a stopid error from a boot loader, I'd ignore it. |
| 20:02.17 | gridline | but then lilo dodn't intsall. You could just use grub. |
| 20:02.20 | asg | caphuso: of course |
| 20:02.36 | pandom | cafuego, could you help me |
| 20:02.44 | simonrvn | @tell root -about root |
| 20:03.15 | fusQuanto | cafuego, lilo isnt taking over grub... i just apt-get install lilo, then ran liloconfig... installed to the correct /dev/hda and grub is stillt here.. what gives? |
| 20:03.35 | cafuego | fusQuanto: That means lilo didn't install. |
| 20:03.50 | cafuego | fusQuanto: Unless grub is installed elsewhere and the box isn't booting off hda. |
| 20:04.19 | pintail | chealer: I tried going back to nv; but then X won't start |
| 20:04.57 | chealer | pintail: hum...what's the error. it's what you used before? |
| 20:05.46 | pintail | chealer: didn't get my X running before installing the nvidia drivers |
| 20:06.18 | fusQuanto | cafuego, Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable. |
| 20:06.20 | drasko_ | Is there a way to download and install all sugessted packages with some package, with some command or option to the apt-get? |
| 20:06.32 | fusQuanto | cafuego, thats from lilo-config, :( how am i supposed to diagnose that error msg |
| 20:06.35 | chealer | pintail: ...what's your GPU? did you try vesa? |
| 20:06.47 | fusQuanto | cafuego, is grub preventing it? |
| 20:06.59 | pintail | chealer: GeForce 6800 |
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| 20:07.50 | pandom | <mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail> what's received via mtp? |
| 20:07.58 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, do you have any idea why lilo wouldnt be able to write to my MBR? i get this error: Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable. |
| 20:08.09 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:08.35 | gridline | Does anyone on unstable have the file /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid and if so where is it supposed to be called from at boor. dpkg-reconfire mdadm doesn't seem to use it. |
| 20:08.57 | gridline | fusQuanto, anything in /var/log/messages about it? |
| 20:09.01 | chealer | pintail: BTW, you're using sarge? |
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| 20:09.12 | pintail | chealer: amd64 sid |
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| 20:09.37 | chealer | pintail: hehe, I won't even try to help you. ask #nvidia |
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| 20:09.43 | pandom | <mail sent by smarthost; no local maill> what's this mean compare to received via smtp or fetchmail? |
| 20:09.44 | pandom | caphuso, |
| 20:10.16 | fusQuanto | gridline, nope |
| 20:10.16 | pandom | there're two smarthost options |
| 20:10.22 | pandom | asg, ? |
| 20:10.31 | pandom | simonrvn, i'm in it |
| 20:10.39 | pandom | bother help |
| 20:10.41 | simonrvn | in what? |
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| 20:10.50 | pandom | simonrvn, in exim4-config |
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| 20:11.12 | pandom | <mail sent by smarthost; no local maill> what's this mean compare to received via smtp or fetchmail? simonrvn |
| 20:11.22 | pandom | <mail sent by smarthost; no local maill> what's this mean compare to received via smtp or fetchmail? simonrvn |
| 20:11.26 | simonrvn | @smarthost |
| 20:11.26 | pandom | sorry |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 20:11.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 20:11.46 | aardvark | !stupidhost |
| 20:11.57 | pintail | I got X trouble with Debian amd64 sid and GeForce 6800: 1) nvidia splash |
| 20:11.57 | pintail | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.09 | simonrvn | @smarthost is <reply>a smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 20:12.09 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 20:12.18 | abrotman | do the nvidia drivers work on 64bit linux? |
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| 20:12.40 | pintail | abrotman: I think so |
| 20:12.40 | asg | pintail: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 20:13.02 | pintail | asg: I also had trouble with fc3 |
| 20:13.45 | pintail | another problem is that the tty's are unreadable, all vertical lines |
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| 20:14.19 | hogballs | cafuego, that site you gave me only mentions supporting the AIW cards. I have a pci tv tuner card not the all in wonder . |
| 20:15.13 | pandom | !pop |
| 20:15.13 | dpkg | from memory, pop is (Point Of Presence) This is a local telephone number through which you can access your ISP. The largest national ISPs have POPs all over the country. or a common term used for POPs for telephone companies and large data centers or ask me about pop3 if you wanted to know about email. Piece Of Poo |
| 20:15.25 | chealer | pintail: so don't ask us, ask #nvidia |
| 20:15.30 | pandom | how to receive pop, besides fetchmail |
| 20:15.44 | chealer | nvidia drivers are supposed to work on 64 bit |
| 20:15.51 | valdyn_ | pintail: debian-amd64 includes the 64-bit nvidia-glx, did you try that one? or the nv driver? |
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| 20:16.49 | pandom | !pop3 |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | pop3 is probably a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. or an evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not or see fetchmail, or telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails, user johndoe, pass ****, list, retr 1, dele 1, quit, or rfc1939 |
| 20:17.05 | pintail | valdyn_: nvidia-glx |
| 20:17.07 | helix | what a yucky factoid |
| 20:17.35 | simonrvn | what a fucking mess |
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| 20:18.04 | cafuego | abrotman: For future reference, yes, the nvidia drivers both compile and work find on amd64. |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't have access to an amd64 with nvidia ... |
| 20:18.46 | cafuego | abrotman: I do... no crashes or weird window problems. |
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| 20:19.41 | Coke | Why does for f in $(ls -t); do cat $f; done tell me all files it finds do not exist when they do? |
| 20:19.43 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 20:19.48 | simonrvn | !pop3 |
| 20:19.48 | dpkg | [pop3] a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. or an evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not or see fetchmail, or telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails, user johndoe, pass ****, list, retr 1, dele 1, quit, or rfc1939 |
| 20:19.56 | cafuego | Coke: Spaces in the filenames eh? |
| 20:19.59 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 20:20.01 | stuart_ | n |
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| 20:20.07 | Coke | it says "cat: test.txt: No such file or directory." |
| 20:20.08 | stuartSan | guys, how'd i find a file again |
| 20:20.10 | Coke | I see no spaces there. |
| 20:20.27 | stuartSan | and where are the 'system' files like shutdown, rm, etc. |
| 20:20.33 | error3 | hi |
| 20:20.48 | cafuego | stuartSan: Fina command like shutdown or rm by typing 'which <command>' |
| 20:21.01 | simonrvn | typo in factoid name. it's really fixed now |
| 20:21.02 | stuartSan | cafuego, thanks. |
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| 20:22.00 | simonrvn | !pop3 |
| 20:22.01 | dpkg | POP3 is a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. An evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not. See <fetchmail>. telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails; user foo; pass ****; list; retr 1; dele 1; quit. Also see RFC1939 |
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| 20:22.14 | simonrvn | much neater. still a mess, but a neater one |
| 20:22.29 | cmorgan | does debian unstable have a newer version of nptl than 0.60? |
| 20:22.39 | Coke | for f in $(ls -t); do echo $f | sed -e "s/ //g" | xargs cat; done still can't find the files, so it's not spaces. |
| 20:22.46 | cmorgan | i'm hitting a nptl bug in 0.60 and was wondering if it was possible to upgrade |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | ls -t | xargs cat ? |
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| 20:23.27 | Henning | Coke: What would you expect that to do? |
| 20:23.38 | stuartSan | weird, i have NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN (already included SHUTDOWN in my Cmnd_Alias) but i still need a passwd whenever i sudo shutdown |
| 20:23.44 | Coke | Henning: cat every file in the directory |
| 20:23.52 | fusQuanto | cafuego, ok im trying to just make grub bootup my new kernel which i just made by source and did a make bzlilo... i see the kernel put vmlinuz in /vmlinuz, so i put that for the "kernel" entry, now the problem im having is i dont know what to do with hte initrd entry, i dotn see anything that make bzlilo did for anything initrd |
| 20:24.10 | Henning | Coke: If a file has spaces, simply removing the spaces from the filename won't cat it. |
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| 20:24.24 | ngd | fusQuanto: mkinitrd is the tool you need |
| 20:24.29 | Coke | Henning: the filenames have no spaces, someone suggested the ls output had spaces. |
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| 20:24.36 | Henning | Ah. |
| 20:24.42 | ngd | fusQuanto: though you may not acutlal yneed it if you have compiled enough modules like filesystem ones into the kernel |
| 20:24.45 | abrotman | Coke: does `ls -t | xargs cat` work ? |
| 20:24.50 | Coke | abrotman: no |
| 20:24.54 | abrotman | why not? same error? |
| 20:25.11 | Coke | abrotman: yep, can't find the file. and the error contains the _exact_ filename of the file that does exist. |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | Coke: dunno .. works for me |
| 20:25.30 | abrotman | Coke: i just tried it here |
| 20:25.34 | Coke | abrotman: oh, yeah, try it in a for-loop |
| 20:25.38 | fusQuanto | ngd, so i can just leave hte initrd part out? im not using any modules |
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| 20:25.49 | fusQuanto | ngd, i compiled everything into the kernel that i need |
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| 20:26.05 | Coke | abrotman: AH! |
| 20:26.09 | abrotman | Coke: ? |
| 20:26.12 | ngd | fusQuanto: very like you can leave it out then |
| 20:26.23 | Coke | abrotman: COLORS MAN, colors. |
| 20:26.31 | abrotman | colors? |
| 20:26.33 | Coke | --colors=no does the trick. |
| 20:26.38 | abrotman | i have colors .. works fine |
| 20:26.40 | Coke | I have --colors=always |
| 20:26.46 | Axiont | can someone tell me what i need to install to get the friver for my printer |
| 20:26.49 | Coke | Which means it uses colors for short listings too |
| 20:26.52 | Axiont | driver |
| 20:27.01 | Coke | abrotman: you probably have auto |
| 20:27.06 | helix | ugh, printers |
| 20:27.14 | drasko_ | Is there a way to download and install all sugessted packages with some package, with some command or option to the apt-get? |
| 20:27.20 | simonrvn | Coke: it'll break if something doesn't grok the control chars |
| 20:27.20 | abrotman | tree killers! |
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| 20:27.36 | Coke | Axiont: how should we know? we don't even know what printer you have. |
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| 20:27.47 | Coke | simonrvn: yeah. |
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| 20:28.05 | simonrvn | which is why the auto is recommended |
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| 20:28.41 | Coke | simonrvn: I could pipe it through groff or something. |
| 20:28.43 | Henning | I just changed my ls alias to --color=auto as well :) |
| 20:28.47 | Axiont | Coke: I just figured there was a package with a list of printers |
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| 20:29.00 | Coke | simonrvn: no, not groff, but... hm. nevermind, I'll just use --color=no |
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| 20:29.12 | ngd | hey goes, does anybody know of a debian package with prepatched evilwm? |
| 20:29.30 | Coke | Axiont: have you tried installing any of the printer systems? |
| 20:29.31 | ngd | there are loads of patches floating around, wondered if anyone had whipped them into a single package |
| 20:29.46 | Axiont | Coke: Yes Cups |
| 20:29.57 | cmorgan | anyone? nptl in debian? |
| 20:30.15 | Supaplex | I usualy roll my own kernels with kernel-package, but i have a machine I'd rather just stick to a generic kernel on. Are all the kernel packages using initrd? |
| 20:30.29 | helix | Supaplex: yeah |
| 20:30.31 | asg | cmorgan: libc6-i686 |
| 20:30.42 | Coke | Axiont: did it contain a list of printers or instructions on how to make it work? |
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| 20:30.56 | Coke | Axiont: tldp.org |
| 20:30.58 | cmorgan | asg: what version of nptl does that have? i'm hitting 0.60 nptl bugs |
| 20:31.12 | pandom | !nbsmtp |
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| 20:31.23 | asg | cmorgan: I don't know what the package contains, I'm sure the changelog or README will indicate that though. |
| 20:31.25 | Axiont | Coke i used synaptic to install the cups server and tried to add a printer and there were only 2 options' |
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| 20:31.33 | Supaplex | how do I boot an initrd kernel w/o an initrd image? (is it possible?) I'll just roll a kernel-package for it on my fastest workstation if that's the case. :) |
| 20:31.54 | Coke | Axiont: check the url I gave |
| 20:32.08 | Axiont | Coke: ok thanks |
| 20:32.11 | Coke | Axiont: there are many printer howto's there |
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| 20:33.07 | LPenguin | lol someone is discovering chatzilla for the first time... |
| 20:33.14 | cmorgan | asg: it let me install that package even though i have libc6 |
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| 20:34.12 | asg | cmorgan: yes |
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| 20:34.13 | LPenguin | IRCMonkey: try /nick Nickname to get a custom? |
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| 20:34.42 | cmorgan | asg: you know anyone here i would ask about nptl stuff? apparently 0.60 is major broken, i'm trying to find out if this is what the debian maintainers want |
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| 20:35.01 | asg | cmorgan: well, you could check the bts (/msg dpkg bts) to see if there is a known issue. |
| 20:35.17 | asg | cmorgan: if nothing has been posted on that package, you can file a bug (install reportbug ; reportbug) |
| 20:36.01 | drasko_ | Is there a way to download and install all sugessted packages with some package, with some command or option to the apt-get? |
| 20:36.16 | abrotman | -d |
| 20:36.16 | Esaj | how do I refresh the groups I'm in? |
| 20:36.17 | asg | drasko_: aptitude can do it |
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| 20:36.27 | asg | Esaj: logout ; login |
| 20:36.31 | abrotman | oh .. not suggested |
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| 20:36.53 | Esaj | asg: hmmm, so I have to restart my X session |
| 20:37.12 | asg | Esaj: yes. Alternately, you could try 'newgrp <group>' in a terminal and work from there. |
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| 20:37.41 | Esaj | asg: aha, thanks |
| 20:37.50 | asg | Esaj: you're welcome |
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| 20:38.15 | Esaj | hmmm gtkam still isn't seeing my camera |
| 20:38.22 | Esaj | but it works fine when I'm root |
| 20:38.42 | dut | What is more better: use debian linux kernels, or build own kernel and package it to deb? |
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| 20:38.46 | asg | Esaj: well, try logging out and loging in again. It's the only way to be sure ;) |
| 20:38.54 | Esaj | ok :) |
| 20:38.55 | asg | dut: the former |
| 20:39.01 | lyosha | Hello. I installed experimental aptitude and it wants a public key for ftp.debian.org. Where do I get it? |
| 20:39.06 | asg | dut: unless you have a compelling reason to compile your own. |
| 20:39.11 | fusQuanto | Nrg_, i think i need hte initrd cuz at bootup it was bitchig about that... how do i do that agian? |
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| 20:39.41 | cottus | lyosha> its on debian.org |
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| 20:40.24 | lyosha | cottus: where do I find it there? |
| 20:40.35 | Esaj | still doesn't see my camera :( |
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| 20:41.11 | asg | Esaj: then there is something your user is missing. Try using strace to find out what it wants. |
| 20:41.22 | fusQuanto | lilo wont install to my MBR, i have grub right now, is grub preventing it from installing? the error lilo gives is useless, it just says unable to write mbr. and i have verified that the disk device is correct, (/dev/hda) |
| 20:41.27 | cottus | lyosha> I SAW IT JUST RECENTLY, SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE oops sorry its close to the front page |
| 20:41.33 | cmorgan | asg: it appears no one is maintaining the libc6 package. there are hundreds of bugs and a few with similar symptoms to the hang i'm seeing |
| 20:41.38 | cottus | lyosha> i bet you can google it easily |
| 20:41.45 | asg | cmorgan: the libc6-i686 package? |
| 20:41.51 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: "lilo -v -v -v " |
| 20:41.53 | cottus | fusQuanto> apt-get remove grub |
| 20:42.03 | cottus | valdyn_> :) |
| 20:42.05 | cmorgan | asg: the standard libc6 one, i'll check the i686 one |
| 20:42.17 | dut | asg: but when i install kernel from debian, i'm always have a lot of no needed modules in memory and i have problem with russian characters(they like a trash) in smb-resources also. |
| 20:42.18 | asg | cmorgan: okay |
| 20:42.33 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, what did that just do? heh |
| 20:42.39 | asg | dut: then use a vanilla kernel if that works better for you. |
| 20:42.45 | lyosha | cottus: can't find it... |
| 20:42.55 | Groil | ÐÀØÀ ÊÓËË |
| 20:42.55 | dut | asg: vanilla? What is this? |
| 20:42.59 | asg | dut: the debian kernels are patched to fix bugs and some security issues that the vanilla kernels don't |
| 20:42.59 | cottus | lyosha> on the download page |
| 20:43.04 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: tried it? |
| 20:43.08 | asg | dut: vanilla kernel == downloaded from kernel.org |
| 20:43.16 | dut | asg: ah. ok. Sorry |
| 20:43.25 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, what do you mean by try? did i run that command yes |
| 20:43.30 | asg | dut: no need to apologize :) |
| 20:43.52 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, Writing boot sector. |
| 20:43.52 | fusQuanto | /boot/boot.0301 exists - no boot sector backup copy made. |
| 20:44.46 | dut | asg: but i know why i have a problem with smb: in my kernel, i set CONFIG_SMB_NLS_REMOTE="cp866". But i don't know how to do same with debian kernels |
| 20:44.54 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, |
| 20:45.06 | lyosha | still can't find it ;-( |
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| 20:45.13 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, u there? |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:45.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:45.21 | LPenguin | laterz. |
| 20:45.27 | valdyn_ | dut: mount -t smbfs -o codepage=cp866 |
| 20:45.27 | LPenguin | quit back to life... |
| 20:45.36 | cmorgan | asg: libc6-i686 doesn't seem to fix anything |
| 20:45.39 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: sure, wheres the error? |
| 20:45.44 | asg | cmorgan: hmmm |
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| 20:46.13 | asg | dut: well, you could download the source for the debian kernel patches and recompile it with that option. |
| 20:46.33 | Groil | Im russia |
| 20:46.38 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:46.40 | dut | asg: argh, no.. thanks... |
| 20:46.41 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, ok heres what ive done... this is a fresh install of debian, with some old kernel. im running unstable. it installed and booted with grub. i apt-got lilo, ran liloconfig, got hte latest kernel source from kernel.org, configured it, did a make bzlilo, rebooted, grub was still running |
| 20:46.43 | asg | dut: :) |
| 20:46.47 | torpet | how can i debianize a kernel-module soruce |
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| 20:46.54 | lyosha | cottus: there's keyring.debian.org, but I don't know whose address to ask for. |
| 20:46.55 | torpet | like the linux-wlan-ng drivers |
| 20:47.00 | dut | asg: i'm very lazy ;-) |
| 20:47.11 | asg | dut: laziness is a virtue in some cases |
| 20:47.40 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, so i can either try to fix lilo, or edit grub's menu.lst to include my new kernel, however my new kernel didnt make a new initrd file for me to point to, and my other optoin, lilo, is not loadign up at bootup |
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| 20:48.04 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, i tried leaving the initrd line out , but at bootup it bitches and fails |
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| 20:48.30 | cottus | lyosha> you are looking for an import command, try googling like: debian gpg import |
| 20:48.42 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: bitching about missing initrd is not err _IF_ the required root fs driver and harddisk interface driver are compiled in |
| 20:48.49 | cottus | debian pubkey import, something like that |
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| 20:49.37 | hogballs | is there anyway to map a network drive in debian? |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: im sure it fails with some error msg.. what is it? |
| 20:49.58 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: in this case, the last error |
| 20:50.33 | valdyn_ | fusQuanto: did you use make-kpkg to make your new kernel? |
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| 20:50.42 | Jarn | I got this when I tried to run a game, how do I fix it: |
| 20:50.44 | hogballs | i want to have a remote folder to drop my movies i record to in |
| 20:50.55 | fusQuanto | valdyn_, one sec lemme reboot adn get on laptop |
| 20:50.55 | Jarn | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:50.56 | Jarn | Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:50.56 | Jarn | GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. |
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| 20:51.10 | cottus | hogballs> ifg you can mount the network drive, you can scp files into it |
| 20:51.15 | chealer | Jarn: you're probably missing 3D drivers |
| 20:51.48 | Jarn | chealer: Could you help me fix the errors I got when I installed my drivers? |
| 20:51.57 | chealer | Jarn: drivers for what? |
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| 20:52.12 | Jarn | chealer: My graphics card. |
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| 20:52.21 | chealer | Jarn: I mean which modeL? |
| 20:52.23 | Jarn | chealer: ATI Radeon 9600 XT |
| 20:52.34 | hogballs | haha i have that same exact card |
| 20:52.44 | chealer | Jarn: unless your error is simple, no, because I don't know how to install ATI drivers |
| 20:52.47 | hogballs | im so glad someone in this room got it working |
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| 20:52.57 | Jarn | chealer: It says I need to configure some files. |
| 20:53.00 | hogballs | it took them 2 days to figure out how to get the 3d acceleration |
| 20:53.04 | fusQer | valdyn_ok it says VFS: mounted root ext3 s) readonly, INIT: booting, mount: wrong fs type, bad optoin,bad superblock on tmpfs |
| 20:53.19 | fusQer | thats ext fs |
| 20:53.24 | stuartSan | hm, how come Host_Alias LOCAL = hostname doesn't work in sudo |
| 20:53.27 | Jarn | chealer: xlibs, libxext-6, lib11-6 |
| 20:53.46 | Jarn | chealer: er, libxext6, no dash. |
| 20:53.48 | chealer | Jarn: I don't know |
| 20:53.54 | Jarn | chealer: Bah. |
| 20:53.59 | lrojas | is gnome 2.8 apt able under debian? sarge? |
| 20:54.03 | fusQer | valdyn_ i thought that just meant INIT was wrong cuz i didnt specify one, but does it mean my filesystem is wrong or osmething? |
| 20:54.08 | chealer | Jarn: ask others, or #ati |
| 20:54.16 | stuartSan | with GROUP LOCAL = COMMAND , it says i don't have permission |
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| 20:54.27 | stuartSan | but when i change to GROUP ALL = COMMAND then i can run sudo no probs |
| 20:54.55 | Jarn | chealer: thanks |
| 20:54.59 | stuartSan | so there must be something wrong with Host_Alias LOCAL = myhostname , but the syntax is right, no? |
| 20:55.14 | lrojas | *sigh* |
| 20:55.18 | valdyn_ | fusQer: i dont know this err,r , I still assume you didnt compile in your root fs / harddisk driver |
| 20:55.26 | hogballs | cottus, do what again/? im lookin for a network neighborhood browser to install in gnome. what package allows that to install? |
| 20:55.30 | stuartSan | or should i do Host_Alias LOCAL = 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:55.42 | fusQer | valdyn_, later on it says EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal, and then next line it says mount: wrong fs type... |
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| 20:56.14 | fusQer | valdyn_ ok what exactly do you mean hard disk driver, ? you mean the HD controller ide thing? |
| 20:56.23 | fusQer | valdyn_ what should i check for in the kernel config |
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| 20:56.26 | hogballs | can i write to an ntfs partition ? |
| 20:56.27 | NeWXeR | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.31 | valdyn_ | fusQer: yea |
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| 20:56.33 | abrotman | !ops NeWXeR |
| 20:56.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NeWXeR |
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| 20:56.42 | valdyn_ | fusQer: why dont you use a debian kernel? |
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| 20:56.52 | aardvark | in soviet russia, crap spews you? |
| 20:56.56 | tsume | heh |
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| 20:57.22 | chealer | !tell hogballs about ntfs rw |
| 20:57.29 | fusQer | valdyn_ cuz i didnt wanna learn a new thing... ive been doing it this way since 2.4.1 and felt more comfortable |
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| 20:57.43 | fusQer | valdyn_ ive never had this lilo problem where it wouldnt install to my MBR. any ideas on that? |
| 20:57.44 | Gollie | quick question. My ISP is dropping packets badly. Using the ping command, is there anyway to timestamp each ping result? |
| 20:58.12 | valdyn_ | fusQer: lilo -v -v -v and tell the error |
| 20:58.29 | fusQer | su |
| 20:58.58 | hogballs | chealer, so i cant even drop my movie files that are in avi format over to the ntfs folder across my network? |
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| 20:59.45 | hogballs | chealer, you would think that should be possible since there is so many cross platform networks out ther. |
| 20:59.49 | chealer | hogballs: the other side is on windows or what? |
| 21:00.07 | hogballs | chealer, yes xp pro. ntfs. |
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| 21:00.22 | sperma | hi |
| 21:00.23 | simonrvn | hogballs: the underlying FS doesn't change, no matter how you access over a network |
| 21:00.29 | chealer | hogballs: then I suppose samba would work |
| 21:00.51 | simonrvn | if s/he can't write to NTFS, what's the fucking point? |
| 21:01.05 | sperma | is it possible to re-enter the base setup for apt ? i forgot to scan all my debian cds (like 7 or 8 |
| 21:01.06 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
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| 21:01.21 | hogballs | data is traveling tcp/ip so it gets copied in whatever way the nic cards drivers interpret the data. so it should be possible to store my files from debian accros the network on an ntfs shared mapped folder with full permissions |
| 21:01.25 | valdyn_ | sperma: apt-setup |
| 21:01.25 | chealer | sperma: base-config, apt-cdrom, apt-setup |
| 21:01.35 | sperma | apt-setup isnt working :( |
| 21:01.41 | sperma | base-config dont reach apt menu |
| 21:01.44 | sperma | doesnt |
| 21:01.50 | chealer | sorry |
| 21:01.55 | sperma | ok trying apt-cdrom |
| 21:02.05 | valdyn_ | hogballs: if the host is running windows, sure |
| 21:02.09 | dmp_ | hogballs: data travels in little spinny electrons which fly around at close to the speed of light, actually |
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| 21:02.22 | valdyn_ | !msg |
| 21:02.22 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 21:02.30 | hogballs | is there an easy package i can install that allows me to mount and unmount ntfs partitions? |
| 21:02.32 | fusQer | valdyn_ http://www.shahidmalik.net/lilo |
| 21:02.36 | dmp_ | hogballs: samba |
| 21:02.48 | dmp_ | across the network, which is what it sounds like you mean |
| 21:02.51 | hogballs | sorry im full of questions today@@ |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | samba doesn't mount ntfs |
| 21:03.02 | cottus | hogballs> thats how learning happens:) |
| 21:03.03 | dmp_ | in which case, it DOESNT matter whether it is ntfs, fat32, or whatever |
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| 21:03.07 | dmp_ | provided it is shared via windows |
| 21:03.14 | abrotman | cottus: that'd be reading |
| 21:03.15 | chealer | sperma: I see "Configure apt" in base-config though |
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| 21:04.07 | sperma | Sorry, not here :< |
| 21:04.21 | sperma | but apt-cdrom does the job, thanks ;-) |
| 21:04.29 | fusQer | valdyn_ see anything unusual? |
| 21:04.42 | hogballs | so just do a apt-get install samba? it will hook me up the mounting local ntfs partitions? and allows me to navigate over to the other boxes across the network? |
| 21:05.00 | valdyn_ | fusQer: nope, theres no error |
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| 21:05.14 | mlalkaka | hi all |
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| 21:05.26 | Groil | hi |
| 21:05.27 | fusQer | valdyn_ grub is still loading up at bootup, lilo isnt |
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| 21:05.38 | King_Brad | how would i go about exiting xwindows and going to a console? |
| 21:05.42 | King_Brad | instead of xwindows |
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| 21:05.45 | luulis | hello, i have set a test user account for a few things, now i have a bash process that eats all cpu (luckily it has nice value of 19 though), cannot be killed with anything. kill -9 pid doesnt work, kill -9 -1 with the test account doesnt work.. ps reports it has stat of RN (running, low nice value, not a zombie..) what could i do about it? |
| 21:05.51 | mlalkaka | if my joystick is detected properly, should it have a device file in /dev ? |
| 21:05.56 | valdyn_ | fusQer: are you even booting off /dev/hda ? |
| 21:06.04 | dmp_ | mlalkaka: if you are using udev or devfs. |
| 21:06.06 | fusQer | valdyn_ yes! it is hte only HD in the system |
| 21:06.13 | dmp_ | otherwise, the device will be there detected or not. |
| 21:06.21 | dmp_ | luulis: reboot. |
| 21:06.31 | nevyn | luulis: how does kill -9 not work? (What error/output does it give?) |
| 21:06.40 | luulis | no errors |
| 21:06.41 | dmp_ | if kill -9 does not work, that points to a kernel bug, or an IO issue, like NFS share down. |
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| 21:06.56 | dmp_ | either fix the nfs issue, if there is one, or reboot. |
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| 21:07.06 | luulis | nah, im just experimenting with some very random code with it.. |
| 21:07.10 | mlalkaka | dmp_, my kernel is 2.6.8 so it has udev. but i compiled devfs support in as well |
| 21:07.19 | dmp_ | but what are you *using*? |
| 21:07.39 | valdyn_ | fusQer: link your lilo.conf please |
| 21:07.41 | mlalkaka | dmp_, i'm pretty sure i'm using udev, but how can i check? |
| 21:07.54 | sperma | Do i have to execute apt-get upgrade after scanning all my debian CD's ? |
| 21:08.02 | dmp_ | The only way that comes to mind to me is to see if you have a /.dev |
| 21:08.08 | dmp_ | I do not believe devfs does that |
| 21:08.14 | fusQer | valdyn_ k one sec |
| 21:08.23 | fusQer | valdyn_ do u want to see the grub files too |
| 21:08.25 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, open a terminal emulator, log in as root (su), and type 'init 1' |
| 21:08.44 | valdyn_ | fusQer: nah |
| 21:08.45 | chealer | sperma: depending what you want to do. apt-get update, probably |
| 21:09.09 | mlalkaka | dmp_, yes i do have a /.dev directory with stuff in it |
| 21:09.18 | dmp_ | then you should presumably have a /dev/js0 |
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| 21:09.19 | mlalkaka | dmp_, that's why i think i'm using udev |
| 21:09.24 | dmp_ | if your joystick is detected right |
| 21:09.24 | fusQer | valdyn_ www.shahidmalik.net/lilo.conf |
| 21:09.31 | coll | i cant decide which dist to put on my laptop p2 with 32ram |
| 21:09.31 | nnnnnn | hi. does unstable by default respond to broadcast pings? |
| 21:09.32 | sperma | ok we'll see ... debian causes some error, because i i'm too dumb (as it seems).. tried to install new xchat and glib etc. only errors |
| 21:09.42 | drini | isn't udev deprecated in favor of sysfs? |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | sperma: you have broadband? |
| 21:09.51 | valdyn_ | fusQer: boot=/dev/hda1 is a partition, it wont get there |
| 21:09.54 | sperma | i do |
| 21:09.57 | coll | i have an old debian dist, i think debian 2 |
| 21:09.59 | valdyn_ | fusQer: that should be /dev/hda |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | sperma: why not use http sources? |
| 21:10.10 | sperma | did |
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| 21:10.18 | abrotman | sperma: apt-get update |
| 21:10.20 | mh_le | does anyone know why doscover1 isn't detecting my cdrom drives? |
| 21:10.21 | King_Brad | sweet |
| 21:10.22 | King_Brad | thanks |
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| 21:11.23 | fusQer | valdyn_ id idnt do that :) blame debian. ok also at hte bottom for "Linux" it has initrd pointing to /initrd.img or something, but that is a symlink to /boot/oldkernel'sinitrd |
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| 21:11.36 | sperma | oh man :-( |
| 21:11.45 | chealer | sperma: which errors?? |
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| 21:12.00 | sperma | well actually i cant copy and paste to xchat |
| 21:12.06 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, try different numbers as well (instead of init 1 try init 2). some of them are the same as others on debian. but on most other distros, i believe, they all have a different use. they are called runlevels by the way |
| 21:12.16 | mlalkaka | dmp_, i have /dev/input/js0 |
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| 21:12.41 | fusQer | valdyn_ /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 , ie: my new 2.6.11 kernel didnt make an initrd.img... |
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| 21:12.49 | King_Brad | mlalkaka init 1 worked, i just needed to know so i could install video drivers... |
| 21:12.57 | sperma | Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/Debian..[...] - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 21:13.04 | sperma | when executing apt-get update |
| 21:13.07 | chealer | sperma: is that an error? I don't know why, maybe #xchat can help you |
| 21:13.17 | chealer | sperma: are you root? |
| 21:13.25 | valdyn_ | fusQer: because you didnt install your kernel the debian way? |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | does he have middle click? |
| 21:13.30 | sperma | :X |
| 21:13.39 | sperma | dummdidoo |
| 21:13.43 | chealer | sperma: sorry for the pre-last msg I was referring to what you said about xchat |
| 21:13.54 | sperma | well |
| 21:13.55 | valdyn_ | fusQer: to switch your bootloader to lilo proper you need to edit /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 21:14.01 | sperma | it's an xchat issue i guess |
| 21:14.08 | sperma | but as i already said, i cant update it |
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| 21:14.33 | abrotman | sperma: do you have middle click? |
| 21:14.38 | sperma | no |
| 21:14.41 | King_Brad | sperma, can u shift+ctrl+V into xchat>? (short cut for paste) |
| 21:14.48 | fusQer | valdyn_ do i make it "NO" for do_initrd? |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | sperma: that's why maybe? |
| 21:15.01 | sperma | no king-brad |
| 21:15.06 | sperma | maybe abro |
| 21:15.07 | valdyn_ | fusQer: that doesnt really matter |
| 21:15.08 | King_Brad | weird |
| 21:15.17 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:15.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:15.26 | fusQer | valdyn_ what do you mean then? |
| 21:15.30 | valdyn_ | fusQer: it will "bitch" about not having an initrd, but it will not fail for that reason |
| 21:15.32 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, that's good. but if you're interested try other ones |
| 21:15.42 | King_Brad | ok :) |
| 21:15.45 | fusQer | ok , lemme just comment out that line |
| 21:15.52 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, and are those nvidia drivers you're installing? |
| 21:15.59 | King_Brad | always willing to see what stuff does |
| 21:16.05 | fusQer | valdyn_ it properly detects the make/model of my HD at bootup, woudlnt thatmean that hte HD controller in the kernel is correct? |
| 21:16.05 | King_Brad | actually yes |
| 21:16.07 | King_Brad | how did u know? |
| 21:16.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:16.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:16.16 | valdyn_ | fusQer: yes |
| 21:16.20 | King_Brad | Nvidia TNT drivers. |
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| 21:16.23 | mlalkaka | dmp_, i have /dev/input/js0. should i make a symlink to it at /dev/js0? |
| 21:16.44 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, from the nvidia site? |
| 21:16.51 | fusQer | valdyn_ ok i got lilo to load.. |
| 21:16.54 | King_Brad | mlalkaka yes. |
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| 21:17.18 | fusQer | valdyn_ it properly reports my HD make/model... ok this is hte same error as before now |
| 21:17.23 | King_Brad | also have there 50 readme |
| 21:17.23 | King_Brad | heh |
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| 21:17.47 | abrotman | bra? |
| 21:17.51 | jez | where did libdvdcss go? :/ |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | where was it before? |
| 21:18.06 | chealer | jez: nowhere, it's not in debian (most likely marillat) |
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| 21:18.16 | valdyn_ | fusQer: which partition is your root fs on? |
| 21:18.25 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, when you start the installer, it will warn you that you should not be using runlevel 1 (init 1). this is because most distributions have a runlevel 3 (init 3) which is better to use than runlevel 1. i think it is safe to ignore this since runlevel 3 is the same as runlevel 5 (the default runlevel, with X server running, etc) in debian distros |
| 21:18.25 | jez | chealer, didn't it used to be? |
| 21:18.37 | sodeaA | ~tell sodeaA debian |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | jez: never |
| 21:18.54 | King_Brad | mlalkaka okay, so use runlevel 3? |
| 21:18.58 | King_Brad | or try it atleast |
| 21:19.03 | jez | strange... i'm sure i downloaded it with apt-get in the past. |
| 21:19.05 | fusQer | valdyn_ /dev/hda1, would you like to see dmesg? |
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| 21:19.24 | abrotman | jez: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:19.31 | valdyn_ | fusQer: sure |
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| 21:19.48 | mlalkaka | King_Brad, on most other distributions, use runlevel 3. but on debian distributions, use runlevel 1. |
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| 21:19.56 | hogballs | i think the samba needs to be reconfigured. what console cmmand do i run in order to restart the setup? |
| 21:19.58 | abrotman | 2 |
| 21:19.59 | King_Brad | ok |
| 21:20.00 | abrotman | not 1 |
| 21:20.16 | mlalkaka | abrotman, runlevel 2? |
| 21:20.20 | fusQer | valdyn_ k one min |
| 21:20.24 | jez | thanks, i probably got it from there before actually :) |
| 21:20.32 | abrotman | yes 2 |
| 21:20.38 | hogballs | i put in workgroup instead of WORKGROUP. im thinking its picky or something cause i only see myself and not the others. |
| 21:20.39 | abrotman | normal startup is 2 |
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| 21:21.20 | hogballs | anyone know how to reconfigure samba? |
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| 21:21.30 | cottus | google samba howto |
| 21:21.33 | cottus | many of them out there |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | how do you reconfigure the debconf setttings for any package? |
| 21:22.07 | fusQer | valdyn_ http://www.shahidmalik.net/dmesg , it doesnt give the error msgs though |
| 21:22.10 | abrotman | !tell hogballs about refcard |
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| 21:22.35 | fusQer | valdyn_ i have a SIS chipset mobo, double checking all that stuff in the kernel now |
| 21:22.39 | maruz | hi, how can insert a string with spaces in the start-stop-daemon option under /etc/default/postgrey? |
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| 21:23.30 | streuner | fusQer: what chipset? |
| 21:23.55 | fusQer | streuner sis? |
| 21:23.59 | karsten | maruz: Qote the string: "this is a quoted string" |
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| 21:24.55 | fusQer | oh woops i mustve skipped this sectin :) |
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| 21:25.04 | maruz | karsten: POSTGREY_OPTS='--inet=127.0.0.1:60000 --delay=600 --greylist-text="Greylisted\ for\ 300\ seconds\ (seehttp://isg.ee.ethz.ch/tools/postgrey/help)\"'doesn't work |
| 21:25.10 | fusQer | oh wait nm |
| 21:25.27 | karsten | maruz: Don't quote _and_ escape space. |
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| 21:25.41 | maruz | karsten: dou know how should i quote that? |
| 21:25.42 | karsten | maruz: --greylist-text="Greylisted for 300 seconds" |
| 21:25.44 | karsten | maruz: ...try that. |
| 21:25.57 | karsten | maruz: Is it the greylist text you're trying to quite? |
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| 21:26.34 | King_Brad | whats the command to show the kernel version via console? |
| 21:26.36 | King_Brad | is it uptime? |
| 21:26.45 | cottus | uname -a |
| 21:26.47 | maruz | karsten: yesss sir :) |
| 21:26.53 | King_Brad | ty |
| 21:27.02 | hasan` | uname -r |
| 21:27.08 | maruz | karsten: i tried everything w/out success |
| 21:27.19 | karsten | King_Brad: uname -r; uptime |
| 21:27.20 | streuner | fusQer: so your custom kernel didn't boot? |
| 21:27.31 | karsten | King_Brad: 'uptime' shows, um, uptime ;-) |
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| 21:27.46 | airox | Hi, I would like to give apache permissions to execute a shell script. I had this in the sudoers file: www-data ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/dothis.sh |
| 21:27.51 | airox | What could be wrong with this ? |
| 21:27.59 | fusQer | streuner it booted but like not really... it got to a login prompt |
| 21:28.02 | HankH | does anyone know how to make it so that debian doesn't turn the screen off after a period of inactivity? |
| 21:28.17 | Rawplayer | with xset |
| 21:28.19 | streuner | fusQer: heh? |
| 21:28.30 | HankH | xset? |
| 21:28.31 | drini | anyone can point me what documentation to look at for making a single normal user NOT to type root password when doing su - ? |
| 21:28.41 | streuner | fusQer: the same result with an official kernel? |
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| 21:29.07 | fusQer | streuner well the kernel it came with boots up fine, ididnt try a debianized new kernel. |
| 21:29.13 | Henning | drini: How about using sudo for stuff like that? |
| 21:29.17 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | hey, is there a linux app that lets you view msn webcams |
| 21:29.17 | nevyn | drini: install sudo |
| 21:29.20 | maruz | Mar 19 22:28:55 ns postfix/smtpd[8498]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[220.82.58.154]: 450 <egoshin@growinweb.com>: Recipient address rejected: "Greylisted; from=<RMYGTGOL@msn.com> to=<egoshin@growinweb.com> |
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| 21:29.36 | amahbod | debianites |
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| 21:29.49 | jepel_tailweaver | drini, username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL in your sudoers file will do it |
| 21:29.59 | maruz | karsten: doesn't work |
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| 21:30.09 | amahbod | do any of you use direct connect |
| 21:30.11 | amahbod | ? |
| 21:30.25 | streuner | !anyone |
| 21:30.25 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:30.27 | valdyn_ | fusQer: that dmesg is off what? a working kernel? |
| 21:30.31 | drini | thanks |
| 21:30.35 | Xenguy | amahbod: direct connect? |
| 21:30.41 | amahbod | Xenguy, yes. |
| 21:30.42 | lrojas | whats the latest sarge netinstall for Athlon XP? |
| 21:30.48 | fusQer | valdyn_ no that is from the bad one, hte one with the error msgs but it doesnt show the bootup errors. |
| 21:31.06 | Xenguy | amahbod: never heard of it |
| 21:31.10 | chealer | lrojas: what do you mean? |
| 21:31.12 | streuner | Irojas: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:31.17 | amahbod | Xenguy, like for file sharing |
| 21:31.17 | [cX]-sw0rdSavy | hey, is there a linux app that lets you view msn webcams |
| 21:31.35 | Xenguy | amahbod: p2p? |
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| 21:31.41 | valdyn_ | fusQer: "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode", what exactly doesnt work? |
| 21:31.47 | amahbod | Xenguy, yes |
| 21:31.49 | chealer | !nickometer [cX]-sw0rdSavy |
| 21:31.50 | dpkg | '[cX]-sw0rdSavy' is 99.820% lame, chealer |
| 21:31.56 | valdyn_ | fusQer: obviously your rootfs is mounted |
| 21:32.03 | Xenguy | somebody send amahbod the 'smart questions' factoid :-) |
| 21:32.21 | Xenguy | amahbod: I take that back actually - sorry |
| 21:32.21 | sperma | "checking for glib-2.0 >=2.6.0 [....]... Packe glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path, perhabs you should add .." |
| 21:32.23 | streuner | [cX]-sw0rdSavy: change your nick, that nick is annoying, thanks. |
| 21:32.24 | sperma | what to do now ? |
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| 21:32.34 | sperma | Sorry, im very new to linux |
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| 21:32.43 | jjjaaman | ok changed |
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| 21:32.48 | lrojas | well, i mean i want to run cedega and i was wondering what is the best way to run it under debian, i am thinking sarge is better but since i have an Athlon XP 1.8 i am not sure wich debian iso to get |
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| 21:32.57 | jjjaaman | now does anyone know where i can get an app to view msn cams |
| 21:33.00 | amahbod | Xenguy, well that leads me to my question |
| 21:33.09 | streuner | jjjaaman: what they use, java? |
| 21:33.10 | chealer | lrojas: an i386 iso |
| 21:33.12 | amahbod | Xenguy, i cant find any working direct connnect clients for debian |
| 21:33.21 | jjjaaman | no its the msn client |
| 21:33.25 | Henning | jjjaaman: Unsure, but gaim-vvv might be worth looking into at least. |
| 21:33.28 | jjjaaman | like gaim |
| 21:33.29 | hasan` | jjjaaman, there is no such app. |
| 21:33.32 | Xenguy | amahbod: for p2p I use gtk-gnutella... |
| 21:33.34 | Henning | jjjaaman: I have no idea if they support it properly yet. |
| 21:33.40 | Dick_ | #debian-es |
| 21:33.41 | jjjaaman | ya im compiling now but i hear its not too supported |
| 21:33.43 | amahbod | Xenguy, i need a dc client :* |
| 21:33.46 | Xenguy | amahbod: bittorrent (sp?) works nicely too I hear |
| 21:33.46 | amahbod | Xenguy, :( |
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| 21:34.02 | amahbod | Xenguy, dc is the best by far for college students, but i cannot use it |
| 21:34.31 | Xenguy | amahbod: like I say, 'dc' is new to me, so can't offer you much advice there |
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| 21:34.48 | amahbod | Xenguy, do you know of any working direct connect clients? i was using dcgui-qt up to about a week ago, and i went to reinstall it and i get a dependency error from apt-get |
| 21:35.04 | amahbod | Xenguy, disregard first sentence since you already answered it |
| 21:35.13 | jjjaaman | does cx office work with it? |
| 21:35.16 | fusQer | valdyn_ i donno but something is really not working... like it finds the nic but says failed to bring up eth0, it doesnt launch xdm like it says it did, if i login and type startx it fails to load for a bunch of reasons... |
| 21:35.17 | Dick_ | Hello!! I not Speak English, I speak Spanish, I need Help, How play te Chanel Debian in spanish, Is my firts visit of Irc |
| 21:35.18 | tony | anyone know of a budget software? |
| 21:35.18 | Xenguy | amahbod: maybe somebody knows about this stuff; I don't tho |
| 21:35.20 | King_Brad | how can i reset my video mode from 800x600 to like 1024x768? |
| 21:35.38 | valdyn_ | fusQer: is this your first 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:35.44 | streuner | Dick_: /j #debian-es |
| 21:35.48 | fusQer | valdyn_ yes |
| 21:35.49 | shingouz | Dick_: type "/join #debian-es" without the quotes |
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| 21:35.50 | amahbod | Does anyone know of a working direct connect client for debian? |
| 21:35.54 | airox | King_Brad: Checkout the /etc/X11/XFree86Config file |
| 21:35.55 | Dick_ | Thanks!!!! |
| 21:36.00 | airox | amahbod: dc++ ? |
| 21:36.05 | chealer | !drxx King_Brad |
| 21:36.05 | dpkg | King_Brad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 21:36.08 | amahbod | airox, how do i install it? |
| 21:36.13 | amahbod | airox, i cant find the installer anywhere |
| 21:36.24 | valdyn_ | fusQer: I tend to think you didnt compile tmpfs in, but im not 100% sure that its essential |
| 21:36.29 | airox | amahbod: Maybe you could just compile it from source or something. |
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| 21:36.37 | amahbod | airox, i cant even find the source! |
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| 21:36.39 | fusQer | valdyn_ thats one of hte errors, lemme snap it with my cam one sec |
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| 21:37.53 | fusQer | actually lemme check for tmpfs |
| 21:37.55 | shingouz | amahbod: how about using the same client you had installed. try to make apt-get install it after you have done apt-get update. if you get errors out of it, tell us the errors and we just might be able to help you |
| 21:38.27 | amahbod | shingouz, you can replicate the problem, try to apt-get install dcgui-qt |
| 21:38.44 | shingouz | amahbod: i do not want to install dcgui-qt at all |
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| 21:38.46 | amahbod | shingouz, it happens to every debian computer now, it used to not happen before |
| 21:38.56 | valdyn_ | fusQer: just type "df" if you see no tmpfs, then you miss it |
| 21:38.57 | amahbod | shingouz, ok give me a sec i will try again |
| 21:39.04 | Xsquared | hi, i am trying to receive a file through my box (DCC) in irc. The person trying to send the file is using mIRC. When he tries to send it says "Forged DCC command from <ip> : 192.168.0.2:4899" and my system locks up and then after a few seconds it says. Interrupted system call. How should we fix this? |
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| 21:39.45 | amahbod | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.53 | amahbod | shingouz, dcgui-qt: Depends: libdc0 (>= 0.3.1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 21:40.03 | shingouz | amahbod: then install the dependency |
| 21:40.07 | fusQer | valdyn_ i see the working 2.4 kernel reports a step right where mine fails , it says someting about a 'journaled block driver' i wonder if thats something i missed? |
| 21:40.07 | amahbod | shingouz, it is already installed |
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| 21:40.18 | amahbod | shingouz, i have version 0.3.7 installed already |
| 21:40.27 | dmp_ | fusQer: and you think this is easier than learning to just install a working kernel with apt? |
| 21:40.31 | DemisM | is there a way to unintstall pkgs with apt? |
| 21:40.31 | amahbod | shingouz, and i even tried removing it and having dcgui-qt install everything, but it doesnt work |
| 21:40.34 | fusQer | dmp_ :) |
| 21:40.45 | sperma | damn, nothing works ;< |
| 21:40.45 | streuner | DemisM: man apt-get |
| 21:40.45 | shingouz | amahbod: you are not running sid there by any chance |
| 21:40.56 | fusQer | valdyn_ yah theres no tmpfs |
| 21:40.56 | amahbod | shingouz, ? |
| 21:41.01 | amahbod | shingouz, sid? |
| 21:41.02 | fusQer | dmp_ i coudlnt find a howto |
| 21:41.08 | streuner | DemisM: in other words, no |
| 21:41.09 | dmp_ | there is not anything to really do |
| 21:41.11 | dmp_ | install it via apt |
| 21:41.13 | valdyn_ | fusQer: nah, your ext3 gets mounted fine. Thing is, in 2.4 you dont need that /dev/shm tmpfs, in 2.6 you do ( maybe someone else knows this more accurately.. ) |
| 21:41.13 | shingouz | amahbod: what version of debian you run there |
| 21:41.16 | dmp_ | check the boot config, reboot. |
| 21:41.16 | streuner | DemisM: you can reinstall them |
| 21:41.35 | amahbod | shingouz, kern version 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 21:41.48 | fusQer | dmp_ what do i apt-get install? |
| 21:41.51 | shingouz | augh.. |
| 21:41.53 | streuner | DemisM: what do you mean with 'uninstall'? |
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| 21:41.55 | amahbod | shingouz, if i recall it was sarge |
| 21:41.57 | dmp_ | fusQer: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 21:41.59 | fusQer | valdyn_ ok im adding in tmpfs in the kernel , see if that works |
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| 21:42.14 | dmp_ | you want a kernel-image-somethingorother |
| 21:42.14 | Henning | amahbod: Have you updated your apt lately (apt-get update)? |
| 21:42.16 | fusQer | dmp_ and thats it? what about specifying your hardware and such? |
| 21:42.16 | dmp_ | depending on what's appropriate |
| 21:42.21 | dmp_ | fusQer: nah. |
| 21:42.27 | dmp_ | no need |
| 21:42.28 | amahbod | Henning, thats what caused this whole problem in the first place |
| 21:42.43 | shingouz | amahbod: i get a feeling that the package is screwed up somehow.. also, when was the last time you apt-get updated |
| 21:42.49 | fusQer | valdyn_ at this point would it be disastrous to do hte debian kernel? |
| 21:42.53 | amahbod | shingouz, a few days ago |
| 21:42.54 | Henning | amahbod: I run sarge and can't find dcgui-qt at all. |
| 21:42.54 | tsp | Speech fully disabled. |
| 21:43.00 | DemisM | what movie player would you guys recommend? |
| 21:43.02 | amahbod | Henning, unstable |
| 21:43.06 | amahbod | Henning, it was in testing though! |
| 21:43.15 | amahbod | Henning, a few days ago it got moved or something. |
| 21:43.26 | streuner | DemisM: xine, mplayer, vlc work well |
| 21:43.28 | shingouz | amahbod: unstable is sid. that is not for newbies to run you know |
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| 21:43.42 | amahbod | shingouz, what does sid stand for |
| 21:43.42 | Xenguy | DemisM: gxine is worth a look |
| 21:43.47 | valdyn_ | fusQer: no, run a grub-install, install a kernel-image, then it should be selectable on boot |
| 21:43.57 | shingouz | !sid |
| 21:43.58 | dpkg | well, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 21:44.10 | tsp | Speech fully enabled. |
| 21:44.15 | valdyn_ | fusQer: updating the grub boot menu is done by apt-get install kerne-image-foo |
| 21:44.17 | amahbod | shingouz, ugh |
| 21:44.21 | chealer | tsp: please stop that |
| 21:44.43 | amahbod | shingouz, so there are no other debian packages for direct connect, or just source in general for a linux dc client |
| 21:44.44 | shingouz | amahbod: as i said, the package is borked and you either have to hack it yourself or just wait |
| 21:45.05 | amahbod | shingouz, i refuse to believe that there are no p2p clients for linux, because that is just BS |
| 21:45.05 | shingouz | amahbod: maybe there is one in testing (=sarge) |
| 21:45.10 | fusQer | i dont even see tmpfs under filesystems in 2.6 kernel |
| 21:45.24 | coll | adsl 750 speed is kbit or kbyte? kbit no? |
| 21:45.42 | valdyn_ | fusQer: CONFIG_TMPFS=y - its there |
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| 21:46.00 | amahbod | amahbod, i cant use bittorrent because all UC campuses are on "ban" lists for downloading from peerguardian. |
| 21:46.04 | amahbod | lol |
| 21:46.16 | fusQer | valdyn_ you cant tell what section its in can you? |
| 21:46.24 | valdyn_ | fusQer: pseudo filesystems - Virtual memory files system support |
| 21:46.46 | fusQer | ah ha |
| 21:46.47 | fusQer | thanks |
| 21:46.53 | shingouz | amahbod: there are p2p clients for linux and most of them are on debian already. the reason the dc-thingie is not installing is because you have a borked package there. you *could* install the older version you had with dpkg though |
| 21:47.11 | mte | hello..how to handle .deb files (i want to install xchat-systray-plugin and there is .deb file on its homepage) if the package isn't in official/unofficial sources? |
| 21:47.17 | fusQer | valdyn_ so how does hte debian apt-get kernel thing determine all your hardware? |
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| 21:47.26 | shingouz | mte: man dpkg |
| 21:47.33 | mte | shingouz tnx |
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| 21:47.41 | Xenguy | mte: dpkg -i packagename |
| 21:47.43 | amahbod | shingouz, this is the only p2p client i can use other than just plain web downloads |
| 21:47.50 | amahbod | shingouz, all others are blocked :( |
| 21:47.50 | mte | Xenguy thank you |
| 21:47.56 | Xenguy | yw |
| 21:47.59 | valdyn_ | fusQer: it doesnt - thats done by discover / hotplug |
| 21:47.59 | mrhemlock | In sarge is there perl-doc in info format? I need this for emacs for help on function definitions ? |
| 21:48.08 | shingouz | amahbod: do you still have the older version there in cache? |
| 21:48.10 | amahbod | shingouz, i really dont want to revert to windows xp, but it seems that i may have to |
| 21:48.24 | fusQer | valdyn_ and thats all launched during then? ok im getting the same error, im doing the debian thing now |
| 21:48.28 | amahbod | shingouz, its irrelevant because it doesnt even run correctly now that i have libxml2 installed |
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| 21:48.55 | shingouz | amahbod: why the hell did you install Sid for in the first place |
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| 21:49.05 | amahbod | shingouz, i was just hoping i could have a woody box and install it on that, because the have a stable woody version |
| 21:49.14 | pandom | in mail(1), i got this: Cannot "preserve" in edit mode |
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| 21:49.20 | pandom | how to do pre then? |
| 21:49.28 | amahbod | shingouz, i accidentally said apt-get upgrade, thats why. |
| 21:49.55 | tobo | whats the address to where you can find all packages, old ones as well? |
| 21:49.59 | amahbod | shingouz, i originally compiled a version of it and it worked, and i did apt-get upgrade and everything went to shit |
| 21:50.00 | shingouz | amahbod: i give up. that is not the reason. the reason is that your sources.list point to unstable which is a very bad idea |
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| 21:50.42 | fusQer | why is unstable sucha bad idea shingouz |
| 21:50.43 | OSM|server | Hello, i just installed debian for the first time, or linux for that matter. I was wondering if anyone could walk me through changing my resolution on the screen. I am using the latest sarge netinstall and grub bootloader if that helps |
| 21:51.06 | shingouz | !unstable |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
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| 21:52.35 | nevyn | heh for something's that's not supported it gets discussed a lot ;) |
| 21:52.55 | shingouz | nevyn: true |
| 21:53.32 | fusQer | is amd k7 the same as athlon XP? |
| 21:53.58 | Xenguy | fusQer: running sid requires more advanced knowledge of Debian I would say |
| 21:53.58 | nevyn | yes. |
| 21:53.59 | fusQer | as far as the kernel image is concerned |
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| 21:54.16 | nevyn | fusQer: yes |
| 21:54.17 | fusQer | nevyn so i want kernel-image-blah-k7 |
| 21:54.18 | fusQer | k |
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| 21:54.38 | fusQer | here goes, my very first ever debian kernel via apt-get |
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| 21:54.51 | nevyn | fusQer: the instruction set hasn't changed between my athlon 500 and an athlon XP |
| 21:54.55 | RootsLINUX | Can someone help me? For some reason apt refuses to find the contrib or non-free sections I put in my sources.list file. here's the line: |
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| 21:54.56 | RootsLINUX | deb ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:54.56 | RootsLINUX | deb-src ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:55.16 | nevyn | RootsLINUX: did you update? |
| 21:55.18 | fusQer | valdyn_ thanks alot for your help |
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| 21:55.22 | james | how do i set the priority level for console messages? |
| 21:55.24 | RootsLINUX | ohhhhh |
| 21:55.28 | nevyn | RootsLINUX: that looks correct. |
| 21:55.42 | RootsLINUX | thanks, I always forget to do that :P |
| 21:56.08 | mrhemlock | RootsLINUX, maybe that site doesn't have sources ;) |
| 21:56.12 | fusQer | omg its already done |
| 21:56.14 | fusQer | are you kidding me |
| 21:56.16 | RootsLINUX | no it does, it works now |
| 21:56.17 | fusQer | i mustve done something wrong? |
| 21:56.30 | nevyn | I do have java installed so it's all out the window pretty much. |
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| 21:57.10 | james | how do i set the priority level for console messages? |
| 21:57.25 | fusQer | nevyn this thing installed my kernel in less than a minute. theres noway |
| 21:57.34 | fusQer | so it has my sound card and all that stuff done correclty |
| 21:57.43 | fusQer | how does it know what i want |
| 21:57.48 | fusQer | this makes no sense to me |
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| 21:58.27 | nevyn | it didn't build it from source. |
| 21:58.30 | Xenguy | james: hi... |
| 21:58.34 | james | Xenguy: sup |
| 21:58.45 | fusQer | nevyn so if i want to add in usb printer and samba fs support how do i do that |
| 21:58.52 | nevyn | fusQer it installed a binary kernel for your subarchetecture |
| 21:58.55 | Xenguy | james: are you trying to suppress log messages from appearing in console? |
| 21:59.00 | Xsquared | hi, i am trying to receive a file through my box (DCC) in irc. The person trying to send the file is using mIRC. When he tries to send it says "Forged DCC command from <ip> : 192.168.0.2:4899" How should we fix this? What is the cause? |
| 21:59.01 | nevyn | fusQer: they're already there. |
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| 21:59.09 | james | Xenguy: yes |
| 21:59.15 | Xenguy | james: ok... |
| 21:59.15 | fusQer | nevyn what about my specific sound card? |
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| 21:59.25 | shingouz | Xsquared: are you both behind a NAT? |
| 21:59.31 | nevyn | fusQer: the only other things you need are userspace such as cupsys smbfs and alsautils |
| 21:59.45 | valdyn_ | !alsa 2.6 |
| 21:59.45 | dpkg | somebody said alsa 2.6 was On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:59.46 | nevyn | fusQer: it's built as a module |
| 21:59.51 | Xenguy | james: checkout /etc/init.d/klogd <-- does it exist? |
| 22:00.21 | Xsquared | shingouz: yeah |
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| 22:00.40 | Xsquared | shingouz: but im receiving the file on the machine that is the gateway |
| 22:00.51 | james | Xenguy: yeah i think so ... i've been looking for a way to set its log message level |
| 22:01.00 | valdyn_ | fusQer: i suspect you have some oss module loaded atm, thats fine, no need to switch to alsa, unless you specifically need it |
| 22:01.07 | Xenguy | james: in that file, look for a line 'KLOGD=""' , and comment that out; then add a line below that says -> KLOGD="-c 5" |
| 22:01.21 | fusQer | valdyn_ i had oss compiled into kernel, ive never ever used modules |
| 22:01.25 | Xenguy | james: that should give you enough to go on :-) |
| 22:01.38 | james | Xenguy: what's level 5? |
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| 22:01.55 | james | Xenguy: nm ill find out |
| 22:01.56 | fusQer | valdyn_ ok i need to reinstall grub to get rid of lilo... grub-install --root-dir=/boot ? |
| 22:02.23 | Xenguy | james: well the man page will give you gory details, but it worked to suppress annoying real-time logging from disrupting my console sessions |
| 22:02.54 | valdyn_ | fusQer: just "grub-install" or "grub-install /dev/hda", rest default / specified already in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:02.54 | shingouz | Xsquared: can he send ok to others? |
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| 22:02.55 | shingouz | Xsquared: your irc client tells the sender that it sits on a non routable private ip (192.168.0.2). you need to have your irc client set up so that the ip address it reports is the public one |
| 22:03.25 | shingouz | Xsquared: another thing is that you need to have the send ports unblocked in the firewall and if you are behind the nat you need to have the ports forwarded to your computer too in the NAT. painful but has to be done |
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| 22:03.34 | Xsquared | shingouz: ok, i'll ask him |
| 22:03.55 | shingouz | Xsquared: ask him what? don't you know your public ip? |
| 22:04.11 | fusQer | valdyn_ ok /dev/hda did it... booting up with new kernel. so allllllllllll the optoins i may need are all to be loaded via modules? is that how debian makes a "generic" kernel and not bloated at the same time? |
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| 22:04.26 | Xsquared | shingouz: i can send ok and receive to/from others |
| 22:04.44 | valdyn_ | fusQer: yea, exactly |
| 22:04.55 | shingouz | Xsquared: in that case his client is not configured correctly and he cannot send |
| 22:05.03 | fusQer | valdyn_ ive never ever uesd modules before :) how do i start? is it debianized too? |
| 22:05.22 | Xsquared | shingouz: everytime he tries to send to me it says interupted system call |
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| 22:05.33 | Xsquared | shingouz: and it make my comp lag |
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| 22:05.34 | shingouz | fusQer: man modconf, man lsmod, man modprobe. modconf is the debian way |
| 22:06.11 | obiat | anyone here use cedega+p2p? |
| 22:06.36 | shingouz | Xsquared: tell him to stop screwing with doze and install a real o/s is the first thing. if he insists on being a masochist, tell him about xchat that comes in a doze-flavor too ;) |
| 22:06.38 | pipeline | obiat: #cedega |
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| 22:06.49 | obiat | no one is saying anything |
| 22:07.01 | Xsquared | shingouz: ok |
| 22:07.09 | valdyn_ | fusQer: modprobe <module>, add module to be modprobed on boot to /etc/modules, or use the debian tool "modconf" |
| 22:07.38 | hogballs | is there a gui tool that will edit fstab file? |
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| 22:08.28 | Pappa | lol hogballs |
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| 22:09.36 | Miteorite | afternoon all.. is there an easy way to force apt-get install to ignore missing dependencies? I know how to do it with dpkg, but not with apt-get :] |
| 22:09.48 | jepel_tailweaver | then use apt-get to fetch the archive, and dpkg to install it |
| 22:10.53 | valdyn_ | Miteorite: don't fuck up your system.. what is the purpose? |
| 22:10.55 | Miteorite | jepel_tailweaver: hmm, how do i tell apt-get to grab all the packages for me but don't install 'em? |
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| 22:11.33 | Miteorite | valdyn_: it's complaining about a library that has a version as a part of it's name.. (libmm11 is required, i have libmm13) installed |
| 22:11.38 | Pappa | apt-get -d install foo |
| 22:12.38 | Miteorite | yeah, doesn't like that |
| 22:12.39 | hogballs | is there a tool to help me in gui mode to mount my ntfs partitions on my local drive? without manually editing fstab? |
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| 22:13.56 | hogballs | like gnome automounter or something? |
| 22:14.07 | valdyn_ | Miteorite: try: apt-get build-dep <package> && apt-get -b source <package> |
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| 22:15.28 | carlos-d-man | I got this heavy lap top like desktop pc from olivetti called sp@zio series FP, it includes pcmcia and my problem is related to it's sis900 network card, I see 1 jack but 2 nics are detected |
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| 22:15.59 | now3d | Hi, I need to have /usr/src/linux symlink point to my configured kernel source.. I got a bit suck: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 this just gives me akernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2, rather than a directory with configured source code, any ideas please? |
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| 22:16.06 | carlos-d-man | I using knoppix, any ideas? I installed both nicks and there is no communication whatsoever |
| 22:16.17 | Rawplayer | nicks? |
| 22:16.22 | nevyn | !tell carlos-d-man about knoppix |
| 22:16.25 | KeyserLaptop | NICs? |
| 22:16.25 | Rawplayer | !basedon |
| 22:16.28 | Rawplayer | !based-on |
| 22:16.31 | valdyn_ | now3d: what are you trying to do with that sourcecode? |
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| 22:16.36 | Rawplayer | how was that line again :) |
| 22:16.39 | nevyn | !knoppix |
| 22:16.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 22:16.40 | carlos-d-man | Network Interface Cards heh |
| 22:16.46 | now3d | carlos-d-man: what does ifconfig tell you? |
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| 22:17.25 | hogballs | come someone help me how to mount my ntfs partition on my hard drive? |
| 22:17.27 | nevyn | now3d: tar xjvf kernel-src-... |
| 22:17.29 | now3d | valdyn: trying to build nvidia kernel module, using command: "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common" which is complaining my kernel source tree is not configured.. |
| 22:17.29 | carlos-d-man | now3d ifconfig says boths NICs are installed and configured as I told it |
| 22:17.48 | valdyn_ | now3d: you're using a debian kernel? |
| 22:17.51 | Xsquared | shingouz: he's using xchat |
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| 22:17.56 | Xsquared | shingouz: same problem |
| 22:17.57 | nevyn | hogballs: mkdir /win2k; mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /win2k |
| 22:18.02 | obiat | anyone use cedega in here? |
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| 22:18.02 | Xsquared | damn it |
| 22:18.06 | obiat | with p2p |
| 22:18.09 | p88 | hi |
| 22:18.09 | now3d | nevyn: ok, i tried that.. and created the symlink.. but module-assistant is complaing it is not configured.. :( |
| 22:18.19 | valdyn_ | now3d: if that is the case, then going w/ the complete kernel source is more work than needed |
| 22:18.23 | Xsquared | obiat: where do u get cedega? |
| 22:18.38 | obiat | i got it from some torrent |
| 22:18.38 | hogballs | i dont know how to list the partitions |
| 22:18.40 | nevyn | now3d: copy the config from /boot/config-version to .config in /usr/src/linux |
| 22:18.41 | now3d | valydy: yep, a debian 2.6.8-2 k7 kernel which does not have a precompiled nvidia module available |
| 22:18.46 | hogballs | to find out what one to mount |
| 22:18.46 | p88 | is it possible to set dmesg -n1 somewhere so it is activated on every boot? |
| 22:18.50 | fusQer | valdyn_ thanks again |
| 22:19.03 | nevyn | now3d: 2.6.8 is a REALLY dodgy kernel. |
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| 22:19.12 | p88 | what is dodgy? |
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| 22:19.15 | now3d | Xsquared: u can buy it, it is proprietary, or u can build from CVS |
| 22:19.26 | valdyn_ | now3d: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner ( using readily configured debian kernel-headers, easier ) |
| 22:19.30 | now3d | nevyn: ah.. well i wish they would upgrade debian sarge/testing then... |
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| 22:19.55 | valdyn_ | fusQer: welcome |
| 22:20.02 | hogballs | nevyn, how do i see an image of the partitions of my hard drive? |
| 22:20.03 | nevyn | umm isn't there a more recent kernel-image availible |
| 22:20.12 | nevyn | an image of the partitions? |
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| 22:20.20 | p88 | does anyone know an answer to my question? |
| 22:20.22 | hogballs | ya listing all the partitions |
| 22:20.27 | valdyn_ | hogballs: cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:20.30 | nevyn | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 22:20.58 | DemisM | how do I change the gui login screen? |
| 22:20.58 | nevyn | or open up controlcentre in kde and go to hardware disks or something. |
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| 22:21.07 | now3d | p88: you could put it in rc.local |
| 22:21.10 | obiat | well what i'm having trouble with cedega4.3/p2p is that p2p isnt installing the MSi installion format |
| 22:21.15 | obiat | for this one game |
| 22:21.17 | p88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.20 | now3d | DemisM: change to what? off or on? |
| 22:21.20 | thingfish | p88: dodgy means unreliable, untrustworthy, of inferior quality. |
| 22:21.24 | p88 | I will do that |
| 22:21.25 | valdyn_ | obiat: wrong channel |
| 22:21.33 | darkcmd | p88: what is your question? |
| 22:21.35 | p88 | thingfish: okay :) |
| 22:21.40 | obiat | no one is saying anything in cedega =\ |
| 22:21.42 | darkcmd | and what is dodgy> |
| 22:21.49 | DemisM | now3d: I get that ulgy login window in the beginning is there a way to get a nicer one or something? |
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| 22:21.53 | darkcmd | not the meaning.. but what is it that is dodgy |
| 22:21.55 | hogballs | valdyn_, it doesnt say what filesystem is on them |
| 22:22.08 | p88 | darkcmd: where to set an option so that dmesg -n1 is set every boot |
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| 22:22.22 | darkcmd | what is dmesg -n1? |
| 22:22.27 | now3d | DemisM: yeah i agree, I got a nice black login terminal instead ;) |
| 22:22.32 | nevyn | darkcmd: suppress kernel messages |
| 22:22.35 | valdyn_ | hogballs: thats true, theres no such tool afaik, though fdisk can list the partition ID values |
| 22:22.38 | p88 | exactly |
| 22:22.45 | darkcmd | why would you want that? |
| 22:22.57 | hogballs | valdyn_, is nevyn's command the one? |
| 22:23.02 | DemisM | now3d: lol, is there a way to get that nice black one, and as soon as you logon to start xwindows? |
| 22:23.09 | valdyn_ | hogballs: yea ( fdisk -l ) |
| 22:23.13 | p88 | because there is iptables which outputs masses of Inbound and Outbound blocking messages |
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| 22:23.17 | p88 | it annoys me |
| 22:23.17 | nevyn | darkcmd: because you like hardware suddenly failing without warning. |
| 22:23.25 | hogballs | cool |
| 22:23.35 | p88 | nevyn: I have redirected everything to tty8 |
| 22:23.37 | darkcmd | nevyn: yeah.. i think normal dmesg output is best |
| 22:23.42 | now3d | p88: you could create a symlink in rcX.d to a script in init.d |
| 22:24.12 | now3d | p88: turn it off at all the runlevels u want. likely all with networking? ;) |
| 22:24.25 | p88 | now3d: would you consider that to be a more clean option? |
| 22:24.29 | now3d | DemisM: as soon as I log into the terminal, i type "startx" |
| 22:24.36 | nevyn | now3d: that's a much better option |
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| 22:25.07 | nevyn | DemisM: just install a prettier X-display manager |
| 22:25.12 | now3d | p88: well run levels are the standard stable way of doing things. So that's best IMO |
| 22:25.18 | nevyn | kdm,gdm whatever you like |
| 22:25.21 | p88 | ok |
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| 22:25.56 | now3d | valdyn_: ok, i will try that nvidia oneliner |
| 22:26.01 | blueshoe | is there a program that will take the contents of the X clipboard buffer and print it on STDOUT ? |
| 22:26.20 | now3d | blueshoe: middle mouse button? ;) |
| 22:26.26 | blueshoe | a **program*** |
| 22:26.26 | p88 | if I let this script run in rc3.d I don't have to put it into rc5.d as well right? |
| 22:26.58 | now3d | p88: not unless u want it to stop in rc5.d |
| 22:27.03 | p88 | ok |
| 22:27.06 | p88 | :) |
| 22:27.08 | p88 | thanks |
| 22:27.30 | now3d | p88: put the script in init.d, then create a sym link, makesure you use the correct number so it is run in the order u want |
| 22:27.51 | p88 | I will |
| 22:28.09 | nevyn | blueshoe: xclip - command line interface to X selections |
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| 22:29.05 | nevyn | people should really learn how to use apt-cache search |
| 22:29.16 | blueshoe | nevyn, xclip does the opposite of what i want |
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| 22:29.34 | rixth | What is the ebst application to use to capture video from the S-Video input of a BT878 based capture card? |
| 22:29.35 | DemisM | do any of you ever use more than one workspace? |
| 22:29.35 | nevyn | umm it claims it can take a selection and print it on STOUT |
| 22:29.59 | helix | DemisM: yes |
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| 22:30.47 | nevyn | DemisM: absolutly |
| 22:30.56 | blueshoe | nevyn, "Reads from standard in, or from one or more files, and makes the data available as an X selection for pasting into X applications" ... that's the part i read |
| 22:31.03 | Jebediah | has anybody else has problems doing line in with Debian? |
| 22:31.09 | nevyn | blueshoe: finish reading it.... |
| 22:31.13 | blueshoe | missed the "Prints current X selection to standard out." |
| 22:31.14 | blueshoe | :) |
| 22:31.25 | blueshoe | thanks |
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| 22:32.21 | rixth | What is the best application to use to capture video from the S-Video input of a BT878 based capture card? Also, which driver would I be wanting? |
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| 22:33.40 | soth` | how can i view bandwidth usage by process? |
| 22:33.51 | dmp_ | I dont know if you can, easily |
| 22:34.14 | T-mac | hey i forgot how to reconfigure debian so users can use the windows manager right now i can only log in as root. can anyone help? |
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| 22:34.58 | drini | I don't understand yoru queston |
| 22:35.04 | drini | dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm ? |
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| 22:36.10 | T-mac | sorry. i just reinstalled and can only startx if i'm root. how do i change it so i can startx as a user? |
| 22:36.31 | hackeron | does discover do anything hotplug doesnt? |
| 22:36.42 | nevyn | T-mac: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common |
| 22:36.44 | nevyn | I think... |
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| 22:36.52 | T-mac | that's it |
| 22:37.00 | T-mac | i think |
| 22:37.08 | T-mac | thanks |
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| 22:37.21 | fusQuanto | when mounting an LVM drive, what "type" of FS is that for hte mount -o argument? |
| 22:37.51 | fusQuanto | i mean LVM partitino |
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| 22:38.11 | fusQuanto | and i meant -t not -o |
| 22:38.12 | fusQuanto | heh |
| 22:38.18 | nevyn | you mean an LVM volume? you can't mount a lvm partition |
| 22:38.22 | carlos-d-man | I am running on linux @ partition /dev/hda1, I have slackware installation CD's on partition /dev/hda2 and want to install a new Debian on to /dev/hda3 without rebooting the running system, is this possible? |
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| 22:38.24 | nevyn | and whatever you formated the volume as. |
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| 22:39.16 | baz | carlos-d-man: if the slackware CDs support it, sure. cunning use of chroot should sort you out |
| 22:39.46 | fusQuanto | nevyn, yah thats what i mean... my HD crashed and it was in 3 partitions, one of them being hte LVM one, i didnt format that one so i am trying to mount it, i dont know if it is still good or ont |
| 22:39.46 | fusQuanto | not |
| 22:39.49 | rixth | What is the best application to use to capture video from the S-Video input of a BT878 based capture card? (I'm using a v4l dirver) |
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| 22:40.15 | carlos-d-man | baz how about installing debian, is this supported? |
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| 22:40.55 | fusQuanto | nevyn, so how do i mount that? i did a mount /dev/hda3 /mnt but says imust specify fs type. file -s /dev/hda3 returns "/dev/hda3 data" |
| 22:40.55 | baz | carlos-d-man: sorry, just realised you want to install Debian, not Slack. man debootstrap |
| 22:41.09 | pipeline | fusQuanto: That's not how you mount an lvm partition. |
| 22:41.22 | pipeline | fusQuanto: You should have lvm device nodes in /dev/mapper |
| 22:41.42 | fusQuanto | pipeline, ok this is a fresh isntall of debian so id ont know if allt hat is setup |
| 22:41.47 | DemisM | what's a good all around e-mail client program? |
| 22:41.56 | baz | carlos-d-man: here's a howto - http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ |
| 22:42.02 | carlos-d-man | baz I want both from hard disk to hard disk, without turning off my running debian |
| 22:42.11 | fusQuanto | pipeline, only thing in /dev/mapper is a control/ |
| 22:42.41 | baz | carlos-d-man: you can install debian on hda3 without rebooting, but I don't know about slack. what do you want to do with that, install it on hda2? |
| 22:42.47 | baz | and why? :) |
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| 22:43.01 | pipeline | fusQuanto: The system isn't detecting your lvm volumes, then. |
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| 22:43.12 | bsims | Grumble Newest gnome is in sid but newest KDE has to wait till post sarge <piss> <moan> <Etc> |
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| 22:43.31 | pipeline | fusQuanto: the -t flag for mount is the type of filesystem, not the type of partition. The type of partition is determined by the device node. |
| 22:43.33 | Pappa | anyone use timidity? |
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| 22:43.58 | pipeline | fusQuanto: Try running lvmdiskscan |
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| 22:44.55 | nevyn | DemisM: mutt is quite popular as a text based client.. evolution is a popular gui MUA |
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| 22:45.53 | bsims | Grumble hows come new Gnome sids but KDE has to wait until post sarge? |
| 22:46.25 | rixth | What is the best application to use to capture video from the S-Video input of a BT878 based capture card? (I'm using a v4l dirver) |
| 22:46.33 | td_ | hey, can anybody help me install an unstable package? |
| 22:46.50 | fusQuanto | pipeline, i just got all the debian lvm stuff, lvmdiskscan shows the lvm volume |
| 22:46.54 | td_ | i am using sarge (testing) and i do not know how to install an unstable package |
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| 22:47.31 | pipeline | fusQuanto: Then the device node should be created. |
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| 22:47.44 | fusQuanto | pipeline, in /dev/mapper? |
| 22:47.52 | baz | td_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, copy the main sarge source line but swap 'unstable' for 'testing' (or 'sid' for 'sarge'), do an apt-get dist-upgrade, and install the package |
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| 22:48.33 | baz | td_: take the line back out again afterwards though, unless you want all future installs to come from unstable |
| 22:48.33 | pipeline | fusQuanto: What does "lvm lvscan" give you? |
| 22:48.35 | rixth | What is the command to find out how much space you have free on your drives? |
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| 22:48.43 | td_ | wait, but I just want to install a single unstable package, not everyhting |
| 22:48.45 | td_ | oh ok |
| 22:48.48 | carlos-d-man | baz excuse the delay, I want to "upgrade" a running server with minimum downtime |
| 22:48.57 | fusQuanto | pipeline, inactive '/dev/lvmvolumes/photos' [10.00 GB] normal |
| 22:48.57 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.12 | baz | carlos-d-man: where does slackware come into it? |
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| 22:49.36 | rixth | What is the command to find out how much space you have free on your drives? |
| 22:49.41 | baz | rixth: df -h |
| 22:49.44 | fusQuanto | df -h |
| 22:50.09 | rixth | Thanks you |
| 22:50.13 | rixth | Thank* |
| 22:50.17 | fusQuanto | pipeline, how do i mount those now? |
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| 22:51.15 | carlos-d-man | baz just to compare them |
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| 22:51.17 | baikonur | hi |
| 22:51.28 | rixth | exit |
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| 22:51.50 | carlos-d-man | baz and loearn more, there really is not much different since most always have the same apps :) |
| 22:51.54 | td_ | wait do I have to dist-upgrade? |
| 22:52.05 | baikonur | how can I list only symbolic links? ls -CF *@ does not work |
| 22:52.11 | baz | carlos-d-man: well the web page I sent you tells you how to handle the debian side. try #slackware for help on that though |
| 22:52.18 | td_ | cnat i jsut install one package and than chang eit back, no update or dist-upgrade |
| 22:52.26 | baz | td_: no, but if the unstable app relies on later versions of libc then you're in trouble :) |
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| 22:52.32 | carlos-d-man | thanks baz, In reading it right now |
| 22:52.37 | baz | td_: that's right, depending on what the package is |
| 22:52.46 | fusQuanto | pipeline, you there |
| 22:52.48 | baz | carlos-d-man: I think you'll find there's more difference than you think though :) |
| 22:53.07 | pipeline | fusQuanto: the same way you mount anything else. Now you know where their device nodes are. |
| 22:53.20 | fusQuanto | ohhhh |
| 22:53.31 | DemisM | does anyone know if can I use gmail's smtp server, I need a mail sender since my schools doesn't work. |
| 22:53.39 | fusQuanto | pipeline, so i mount /dev/lvmvolume etc? |
| 22:54.01 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.06 | fusQuanto | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 22:54.07 | fusQuanto | :( |
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| 22:54.23 | baz | DemisM: sure, if you have a gmail account |
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| 22:54.30 | iron_angel | mount -t foofs /dev/lvmdir/foo /mnt/bar |
| 22:54.37 | fusQuanto | it says its 'inactive' in lvm lvscan pipeline |
| 22:54.42 | iron_angel | where foofs is whatever fs it is... |
| 22:54.45 | iron_angel | nuts... |
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| 22:55.15 | baz | DemisM: it's smtp over ssl though, so your client had better support that |
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| 22:55.28 | baz | DemisM: smtp.gmail.com:465 |
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| 22:56.11 | fusQuanto | pipeline, :( |
| 22:56.13 | fusQuanto | help plz |
| 22:56.15 | carlos-d-man | baz btw I have already done installations on VMWARE and dd from there to a physical partition heh |
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| 22:56.57 | pipeline | fusQuanto: Well, I can't tell you what your filesystem type is. You should know. |
| 22:56.58 | jarn | what is the channel for x? I don't know how to check a channel list since im using a text-based IRC client... |
| 22:57.12 | pipeline | fusQuanto: This isn't an LVM problem anymore, though. "INACTIVE" just means that they're not being used at the moment. |
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| 22:57.39 | fusQuanto | pipeline, /dev/lvmvolumes does not exist... tihs is a fresh install of linux, this lvm partition was salvaged from the previous installatoin |
| 22:57.51 | fusQuanto | bastard |
| 22:58.03 | hennewou | hi, anyone knows how to tune nfs for a wireless connection? Mp3-streams from the internet play seems to play wel, but when I play mp3's from my nfs-server (same bitrate) I have a lot of buffer underruns (I don't get buffer under for a normal UTP connection). |
| 22:58.03 | fusQuanto | who wants to help me ;) |
| 22:58.03 | ventonegro | hi guys |
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| 22:59.16 | ventonegro | i know this isn't the right place to ask this, but I need to prepare a USB drive to boot some version of DOS. does anybody know the proper channel to ask this? |
| 22:59.27 | slocate | are superblocks fixable? |
| 22:59.31 | valdyn | hennewou: increase the buffer size of you mp3 player? |
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| 22:59.36 | pipeline | fusQuanto: Perhaps you don't have the lvm modules loaded? Do you have the lvm packages installed? |
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| 23:00.37 | dom | hi all |
| 23:00.46 | hennewou | valdyn: I allready set the option in /etc/fstab (rsize=8192,wsize=8192). Should I take a higher number? |
| 23:00.48 | dom | i have a problem with mail php function and debian |
| 23:00.48 | fusQuanto | pipeline, i have all the lvm packages i think as i can run those programs. as far as modules, im not sure , this is hte first time ive done a kernel using apt-get. let me check in modconf |
| 23:01.16 | valdyn | hennewou: you should do it in your mp3 player |
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| 23:01.26 | dom | i mean if i install mysql-server package it try to send by sendmail or exim |
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| 23:01.37 | dom | but i have already installed qmail-source on that server |
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| 23:01.50 | pipeline | fusQuanto: No, no, you have them compiled already if you have a stock kernel. Are they LOADED. modprobe lvm &; modprobe dm-mod |
| 23:01.56 | hennewou | valdyn: ooh, I'm using xmms. |
| 23:02.00 | Aldebaran | I am having trouble installing, I am experiencing exactly the same as this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288280 however my machine is a compaq 2231, any ideas? |
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| 23:02.38 | doublehp | I had a frees, and I fsck could not recover FAT partitions; I ran Windows to repair, but it deleted all files ... but when I mount the volume, df says 99G used, while du -lsh says that only 2G is used ... so I beleavi the DATA are still there, hidden in maldeleted files ... how to recover ? mondo and fatback cant help. |
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| 23:02.57 | `4n4lyz3R | plz can anyone give me some help about gdm and fluxbox ? |
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| 23:03.14 | DemisM | baz: thank you :) |
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| 23:03.54 | hennewou | valdyn: thank you. |
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| 23:04.12 | jarn | what is the channel for x. I broke my x. |
| 23:04.39 | doublehp | jarn: google x |
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| 23:04.50 | doublehp | jarn: /j #xfree ? |
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| 23:04.53 | doublehp | jarn: /j #xfree86 ? |
| 23:04.59 | jarn | ill try that |
| 23:05.20 | bytewlaker | whats the metapackage to install all the compiler stuff os i can compile c programs?? |
| 23:05.26 | caphuso | bytewlaker: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:05.29 | jarn | thank you |
| 23:05.49 | bytewlaker | thanx!! |
| 23:06.04 | baz | DemisM: np |
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| 23:06.52 | pandom | anyone help me with fetchmail? |
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| 23:08.11 | drac | pandom: maybe fetchmailconf can? |
| 23:08.24 | DemisM | are there password enabled screensavers? |
| 23:08.28 | pandom | drac, that sucks |
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| 23:08.51 | iron_angel | DemisM: yes. Xscreensaver and xlockmore. |
| 23:08.56 | pandom | drac, fetchmail -c shows me , but fetchamail never get me any mail |
| 23:08.59 | caphuso | i know only screensavers that are password disabled ;-) |
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| 23:09.09 | pandom | drac, fetchmail -c shows me there're a lot of , but fetchamail never get me any mail |
| 23:09.18 | jethro | pandom: /j #fetchmail |
| 23:09.34 | pandom | jethro, dead chann |
| 23:09.46 | jarn | Fatal server error: |
| 23:09.47 | p88 | is there a tool to count the traffic gone through my ethernet card? |
| 23:09.49 | jethro | pandom: not so dead, you just need to wait a few hours |
| 23:09.55 | caphuso | pandom: "fetchmail -vvv --keep" and read the output |
| 23:09.57 | p88 | in freebsd there is system -ifstat |
| 23:10.02 | jarn | __glExtensionInit: Add Extensions failed to load |
| 23:10.03 | p88 | s/system/systat |
| 23:10.05 | pandom | caphuso, thanks |
| 23:10.06 | jarn | er, just failed |
| 23:10.08 | jarn | help? |
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| 23:10.12 | jarn | x wont start because of that |
| 23:10.14 | iron_angel | p88: ifconfig shows some stats, looking for more than that? |
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| 23:10.24 | baz | jarb: #xfree86 |
| 23:10.27 | baz | oops |
| 23:10.30 | `4n4lyz3R | plz can anyone give me some help about gdm and fluxbox ? |
| 23:10.34 | baz | jarn: #xfree86 |
| 23:10.40 | jarn | baz: Noone is answering there. |
| 23:10.51 | pandom | caphuso, what next? it runs background |
| 23:10.56 | p88 | iron_angel: it shows me the packets gone through but I would like to see the bytes gone through |
| 23:10.59 | jarn | baz: And I stupidly forgot to backup my XF86Config. |
| 23:11.01 | caphuso | pandom: it does *what*? |
| 23:11.12 | p88 | oh |
| 23:11.13 | p88 | heh |
| 23:11.15 | p88 | it does |
| 23:11.18 | drac | jarn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:11.32 | pandom | caphuso, it runs in backgournd, and nothing show up |
| 23:11.38 | iron_angel | hmm, sec |
| 23:11.42 | p88 | iron_angel: never mind the last few sentences of mine I just saw that it does show the MBs gone through |
| 23:11.52 | p88 | I mean ifconfig |
| 23:12.00 | caphuso | pandom: what was the _exact_ command you used? |
| 23:12.02 | fusQuanto | pipeline, twoflower:/home/fusquanto# modprobe lvm |
| 23:12.03 | fusQuanto | FATAL: Module lvm not found. |
| 23:12.03 | fusQuanto | twoflower:/home/fusquanto# modprobe dm-mod |
| 23:12.03 | fusQuanto | twoflower:/home/fusquanto# |
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| 23:12.06 | p88 | it shows RX and TX bytes |
| 23:12.25 | simonrvn | @lart fusQuanto |
| 23:12.27 | De_Mon | I'm trying to 'mount -o remount,ro /usr' but its busy. Short of stopping processes, can I get it remounted readonly? |
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| 23:12.28 | pandom | caphuso, ~$ fetchmail -vvv --keep |
| 23:12.34 | fusQuanto | yummy |
| 23:12.52 | caphuso | pandom: that doesn't go into the background, so there's something you're not telling me |
| 23:12.55 | streuner | fusQuanto: don't flood here, use #flood |
| 23:13.00 | fusQuanto | pipeline, i apt-got install kernel image 2.6.blah if thats what you mean by stock (versus hte isntalled kernel from the cd) |
| 23:13.05 | pandom | caphuso, i told you all |
| 23:13.06 | james_ | has anyone got madwifi to work without having to compile a kernel? |
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| 23:13.45 | fusQuanto | pipeline, so it seems lvm is not i hte kernel and not loaded? |
| 23:14.15 | pandom | caphuso, i know it should run in front, but it doesn't |
| 23:14.19 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: um, lsmod | grep dm |
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| 23:14.25 | caphuso | pandom: what does "type fetchmail |
| 23:14.28 | caphuso | " say? |
| 23:15.05 | jarn | baz: It still doesn't work. |
| 23:15.08 | jarn | baz: Same error. |
| 23:15.39 | pandom | caphuso, fetchmail is hashed (/usr/bin/fetchmail) |
| 23:16.00 | baz | jarn: ? |
| 23:16.18 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, dm_mod 61820 0 |
| 23:16.43 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, whats that mean/ |
| 23:17.00 | simonrvn | it means it's loaded. duh |
| 23:17.05 | pandom | caphuso, could it be fetchmail can't find loal MTA? |
| 23:17.27 | caphuso | pandom: maybe. but that wouldn't explain why it backgrounds itself when it shouldn't |
| 23:17.31 | pandom | caphuso, i just exim4-config, not manual edit the conf yet |
| 23:17.36 | caphuso | pandom: what does "dpkg -l fetchmail" say? |
| 23:17.38 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, but hte lvm one isnt.. |
| 23:17.55 | pandom | caphuso, maybe sid fetchmail is buggy |
| 23:18.08 | caphuso | pandom: no |
| 23:18.20 | pandom | caphuso, ii fetchmail 6.2.5-12 SSL enabled POP3, APOP, IMAP mail gatherer/f |
| 23:18.23 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: cat /proc/misc, cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 23:18.36 | pandom | caphuso, or you can logon my box to check? |
| 23:18.41 | caphuso | pandom: no |
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| 23:19.10 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, ok, no *lvm* to be found in that |
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| 23:19.38 | SuperCatFrog | hi - (im not a troll) can somebody please recommend an easy to use distro, based on debian, like ubuntu, except based on kde? i would get kubuntu but its not stable yet |
| 23:19.40 | fusQuanto | pipeline, so is it safe to say lvm is not setup via kernel/modules |
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| 23:19.54 | thenuke | SuperCatFrog: ufff.. you can install kde to debian |
| 23:19.58 | thenuke | argh, I meant to ubuntu |
| 23:20.20 | thenuke | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu |
| 23:20.20 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: your statement sucks |
| 23:20.21 | thenuke | check that also |
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| 23:20.25 | OSM|server | Hello, i just installed debian for the first time, or linux for that matter. I was wondering if anyone could walk me through changing my resolution on the screen. I am using the latest sarge netinstall and grub bootloader if that helps |
| 23:20.29 | thenuke | "The Kubuntu project aims to be to KDE what Ubuntu is to Gnome: " |
| 23:20.34 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: debian isn't that hard, just use it |
| 23:20.47 | thenuke | next time you really should even try to figure out things like this with simple google use |
| 23:20.54 | jarn | how do I run gdm? |
| 23:20.56 | james_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.04 | james_ | jarn: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 23:21.10 | OSM|server | james_: nope for console... |
| 23:21.11 | jarn | thanks |
| 23:21.19 | pandom | caphuso, and when fetchmail -c it shows Server CommonName mismatch: |
| 23:21.20 | SuperCatFrog | streuner - its not for me, its for somebody i know, who just wants a safe os for using the internet |
| 23:21.25 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: you need sometimes to configure and handle X-configuration |
| 23:21.42 | zOap | OSM, what x are you using? xfree? xorg? |
| 23:21.42 | james_ | OSM|server: look for kernel options vga and video |
| 23:21.43 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, do you knwo what section in modconf hte lvm stuff is in? i cant find it anywhere |
| 23:21.43 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: well, debian is right choice then |
| 23:21.47 | pandom | caphuso, i use poll 127.0.0.1 with proto POP3 port 1100 |
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| 23:22.05 | SuperCatFrog | streuner - ive never used debian, im a gentooer myself, once debian is setup, is it easy to install new packages (does every package need an etc-update type command?) etc? |
| 23:22.06 | caphuso | pandom: irrelevant |
| 23:22.10 | OSM|server | james_: :( im a total noob at linux... how would i do that |
| 23:22.22 | james_ | google.com |
| 23:22.28 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: modprobe -l | grep lv |
| 23:22.29 | OSM|server | ahh |
| 23:22.30 | baz | SuperCatFrog: it's much easier than gentoo |
| 23:22.44 | humbol1 | any news on sarge beeing released finally? |
| 23:22.44 | zOap | OSM|server, what x are you using? xfree? xorg? |
| 23:22.46 | SuperCatFrog | baz - its not for me, im happy with gentoo. its for somebody else who would struggle with editing config files |
| 23:22.46 | james_ | and type "kernel 2.? grub options" |
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| 23:23.22 | gravity | humbol1: It's coming along. Check the debian-devel-announce list archives for this month |
| 23:23.24 | baz | SuperCatFrog: if by that you mean that they're an ignorant fool who isn't going to read any docs, give them fedora or mandrake or windows or something |
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| 23:23.33 | Jarn | Thanks to all who helped me. |
| 23:23.41 | Jarn | I now have x running again. :D |
| 23:23.43 | OSM|server | z0ap: xfree86 |
| 23:23.46 | baz | SuperCatFrog: if they have a brain, debian will be fine |
| 23:23.47 | SuperCatFrog | baz - yes, thats what i mean. but i want it to be apt-based because of the easy package management |
| 23:24.03 | zOap | OSM|server, if xfree, dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:24.07 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: depends what the person wanna use (apps), but most things are easy to configure |
| 23:24.22 | SuperCatFrog | ok thanks everybody, i'l give them debian |
| 23:24.25 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, only return was a security/seclvl.ko |
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| 23:24.34 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: you need a brain - that's all |
| 23:24.38 | OSM|server | z0ap: will that do it for when im not using a gui? |
| 23:24.43 | Schnitz | hallo |
| 23:24.47 | SuperCatFrog | quick question - which one is it i want thats not completely out of date, not completely bleeding edge? is it testing or unstable i want? |
| 23:24.51 | Schnitz | wie heißt das tool in debian zum dienste konfigurieren? |
| 23:24.57 | baz | SuperCatFrog: testing. also known as sarge. |
| 23:24.58 | Schnitz | gibts da ein ntsysv oder rc-update... |
| 23:24.59 | Schnitz | ? |
| 23:25.01 | SuperCatFrog | ok |
| 23:25.05 | MerlinCorey | !gentoosmite ricerboy |
| 23:25.07 | SuperCatFrog | thanks for your help everybody |
| 23:25.08 | Schnitz | eben was in diese riechtung...grafisch nicht unbedingt |
| 23:25.16 | zOap | OSM|server, yes |
| 23:25.22 | gravity | !german |
| 23:25.22 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 23:25.26 | Schnitz | sorry for speaking foreign |
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| 23:25.38 | streuner | Schnitz: update-rc.d |
| 23:25.47 | pandom | caphuso, i turned off set daemon, and it runs in front |
| 23:25.50 | zOap | OSM|server, try it and let me know if it works |
| 23:25.56 | OSM|server | z0ap: k thanks :D |
| 23:26.11 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, thats not lvm... sorry im kinda clueless wiht debianiazed kernel and how to load things or know fi htey're loaded or not, ive never used modules before |
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| 23:26.28 | caphuso | pandom: good. now... what does it tell you about why it doesn't fetch mail? |
| 23:26.33 | pandom | caphuso, thanks, it said SMTP connect to localhost failed |
| 23:26.37 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, but looking in modconf and doing that modprobe -l , there no lvm ? |
| 23:26.41 | OSM|server | z0ap: may take a little while since i am installing x-window-manager-core in another winow |
| 23:26.42 | Schnitz | streuner...i expected something better but thanks ;-) |
| 23:26.45 | fusQuanto | pipeline, are you still there |
| 23:26.46 | caphuso | pandom: there it is, your problem |
| 23:26.48 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: a kernel is a kernel. doesn't matter where it comes from. module management is the same |
| 23:27.15 | pandom | caphuso, i only run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, it that enough? |
| 23:27.21 | caphuso | pandom: depends |
| 23:27.21 | zOap | OSM|server, ok |
| 23:27.24 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, well i meant if i did it by source id copmile lvm in to it, but this one from apt-get im not sure what it has |
| 23:27.41 | pandom | caphuso, I choose the first smarthost |
| 23:28.02 | caphuso | pandom: did you restart exim? |
| 23:28.19 | pandom | caphuso, god, |
| 23:28.23 | pandom | caphuso, i didn't |
| 23:28.30 | pandom | caphuso, :( |
| 23:28.40 | darkcmd | hmm.. how easy is it to replace exim with something else |
| 23:28.57 | caphuso | darkcmd: incredibly easy |
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| 23:29.02 | caphuso | pandom: don't /msg me |
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| 23:29.13 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, so lvm module is not loaded, its not in modconf, not listed in modprobe -l | grep lv, how do i go about getting it into hte kernel? |
| 23:29.22 | baz | darkcmd: simple |
| 23:29.27 | pandom | caphuso, i used to hate you, but from now on, i'll love you |
| 23:29.29 | caphuso | e.g. "apt-get --purge install postfix" and *bang* you got postfix instead of exim |
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| 23:29.36 | darkcmd | I want to switch to sendmail or postfix for my standalone local mailserver only |
| 23:29.46 | pandom | caphuso, you really helped me |
| 23:29.47 | james_ | i've compiled a number of kernels now and everytime i reboot i get about 10 lines of console output and then a blank screen with a blinking cursor ... anyone know what's going on? |
| 23:29.48 | caphuso | switch _to_ sendmail? |
| 23:29.52 | OSM|server | z0ap: it gives me an error : unknown option --reconfigure |
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| 23:30.10 | darkcmd | postfix is nice though |
| 23:30.21 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: did you think maybe lvm is called dm-mod perchance? can you do lvm related things? if you can, then you can assume yes. if not, then build your own |
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| 23:30.25 | baz | any mta that has a config file for the config file is too complicated for me |
| 23:30.25 | zOap | OSM|server, ok, never been configured I guess... dpkg -configure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:30.30 | matte | hey |
| 23:30.37 | OSM|server | z0ap: k thanks |
| 23:30.46 | pandom | caphuso, i'm sorry i ever ignored you |
| 23:30.59 | darkcmd | what mta do you guys like? |
| 23:31.07 | iron_angel | sendmail |
| 23:31.08 | caphuso | exim, postfix, sendmail, qmail |
| 23:31.09 | zOap | OSM|server, just try that. and if not, exlude the 86.. It's been a while since I didt this... *gosh |
| 23:31.17 | pandom | darkcmd, ssmtp |
| 23:31.19 | james_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.29 | caphuso | i'm deliberately missing stuff liek ssmtp hee |
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| 23:31.38 | OSM|server | z0ap: tried both gave me: error: unkown option -o |
| 23:31.52 | darkcmd | can i have postfix in use.. for like a server that is local spool only |
| 23:32.00 | zOap | OSM|server, unkown option -o??? what did you type? |
| 23:32.08 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, i had no idea lvm might be called dm-mod. how would anyone intuitively guess that : ) ok so anywyas, im back to my original problem. mounting hte lvm volumes i have. i did an lvm lvscan and it shows the two volumes i have are in /dev/lvmvolme/photos , but nothing is *really* there if that makes sense. again the lvm partition is salvaged from a previous install, the root partition is brand new |
| 23:32.10 | OSM|server | just what you told me |
| 23:32.18 | darkcmd | i just want it for my local machine.. so users on my box can mail other users |
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| 23:32.38 | OSM|server | dpkg -configure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:32.38 | zOap | OSM|server, try it again, and copy and paste it to http://pastebin.com. give the url |
| 23:32.54 | streuner | darkcmd: sure |
| 23:33.06 | darkcmd | will it do that by default? |
| 23:33.22 | OSM|server | z0ap: heh... how would i copy and paste it from command line? |
| 23:33.35 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: did you try to recover it? like th stuff in /etc/lvmwhatever? i'm not very up on lvm. i ditched it aftr it caused me more problems than it solved |
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| 23:33.55 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, nothing in /etc was recoverable |
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| 23:34.09 | zOap | OSM| Whoops, sorry... Hmm... hang on a sec |
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| 23:34.28 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, basically nothign at all was recoverable, so i formatted root partition, but nothign else, so im trying to see what i can get out of this lvm partition |
| 23:34.39 | autojack | I'm trying to install Debian on a system off a USB key. the installer loads fine, but it can't detect a hard drive. I was just using Fedora on this box an hour ago, the hard drive is fine. any ideas what would cause this? |
| 23:34.39 | streuner | darkcmd: dpkg-reconfigure postfix should give you an option |
| 23:34.51 | pandom | caphuso, now it says skipping message pandom@127.0.0.1:201 not flushed |
| 23:35.05 | pandom | caphuso, and still i get nothing |
| 23:35.07 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: ah, ok. try scanning for any data that you can get |
| 23:35.13 | autojack | I think it might be because the installer couldn't find any kernel modules. |
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| 23:35.21 | autojack | I couldn't figure out how to work around that. |
| 23:35.27 | streuner | darkcmd: but anyway, just google for 'SMTP HOWTO' and set it up |
| 23:35.30 | autojack | so maybe that's what I should be asking? |
| 23:35.32 | caphuso | pandom: check the exim logs to see if it got the connection from fetchmail |
| 23:35.33 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, do i start over with lvcreate? im not sure where to begin.. |
| 23:35.39 | darkcmd | ok |
| 23:36.18 | streuner | darkcmd: keep in mind, that postfix runs in debian in a chroot... |
| 23:36.26 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: i'm not sure either. there's an lvm howto. check it out |
| 23:36.32 | darkcmd | is that bad or good |
| 23:36.35 | kalila | is AMD Opteron just AMD duron renamed? |
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| 23:37.03 | streuner | darkcmd: well, thats more secure, but you need to make some symlinks for it |
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| 23:37.16 | autojack | guh client crashed. |
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| 23:37.27 | darkcmd | i'll just keep exim |
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| 23:37.31 | streuner | darkcmd: HOWTO didn't mention it, because some other distros doesn't use chroot... |
| 23:37.36 | darkcmd | it runs local spool only by default for me anyway |
| 23:37.41 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, : ) 13.6. Moving a volume group to another system |
| 23:38.15 | simonrvn | good luck |
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| 23:38.54 | valdyn | kalila: duron = lowend desktop years ago, opteron highend , server, smp |
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| 23:39.06 | zOap | OSM|server, you here? You have to be su to use this command, that's why you get the error... |
| 23:39.44 | dmp_ | you cannot 'be' su |
| 23:39.47 | dmp_ | as it isnt a user |
| 23:39.48 | OSM|server | z0ap: i am |
| 23:39.59 | kalila | valdyn: no onchip cache with opteron? |
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| 23:40.04 | zOap | dmp_, just matter of speaking.. |
| 23:40.16 | hp_ | how do i change the screen resolution in KDE? |
| 23:40.21 | zOap | OSM|server, and you still get that option -o error? |
| 23:40.24 | valdyn | kalila: eh? |
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| 23:40.28 | valdyn | kalila: hardly |
| 23:40.34 | zOap | hp_, go to kde control panel... |
| 23:40.34 | streuner | hp_: the same way you configure X |
| 23:40.43 | dmp_ | zOap: saying 'you must be root' is a slight improvement, tis all. |
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| 23:40.52 | hp_ | i am there, there is nothing in ther |
| 23:40.56 | zOap | dmp_, k, hehe, |
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| 23:40.57 | OSM|server | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.08 | Agrajag- | if my normal debian repositories don't have perl cpan modules, what's the best way to go about installing them? perl -MCPAN worries me because it'll install stuff and dpkg wont know about it |
| 23:41.13 | kalila | valdyn: pardon my ignorance.... i've been outta the processors loop.. |
| 23:41.15 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, omg that was too ez |
| 23:41.26 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 23:41.27 | zOap | OSM|server, that's really weird... Try: dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:41.39 | baz | Agrajag-: CPAN is the way. it can update itself easily |
| 23:41.46 | drac | OSM|server: he really means dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:41.49 | valdyn | kalila: like no cpu has no on chip cache |
| 23:41.50 | zOap | OSM|server, I know we allready did.. I just want the output |
| 23:41.57 | caphuso | Agrajag-: dh-make-perl, and don't listen to baz |
| 23:42.04 | Agrajag- | baz: but then i've got files on my system that weren't isntalled with apt/dpkg |
| 23:42.04 | zOap | drac, nope. he never configured it... |
| 23:42.07 | drac | oh |
| 23:42.13 | drac | nvm then |
| 23:42.49 | Agrajag- | caphuso: ta |
| 23:43.00 | kalila | valdyn: my understanding is celeron doesn't have onchip cache |
| 23:43.04 | kalila | or rather L2 cache |
| 23:43.06 | zOap | drac, hehe, that's ok.. we allready tried the -reconfigure.. he just gets error, no option -o.. you know anything about that? |
| 23:43.53 | hp_ | i just went through the entire KDE control panel and there is nothing there. i thought it would be under peripherals |
| 23:44.05 | zOap | hp_, hang on |
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| 23:44.16 | baz | caphuso: :P |
| 23:44.43 | |ryan| | is there any way to set up debsig-verify to not check packages from a particular repository? |
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| 23:45.05 | valdyn | kalila: thats a p2 celeron |
| 23:45.13 | OSM|server | z0ap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 worked |
| 23:45.50 | zOap | OSM|server, huh, I told you to try that one before, didn't I? |
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| 23:46.04 | zOap | hp_, it's under peripherals, display |
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| 23:46.39 | BadMan | arg..... |
| 23:46.45 | hp_ | zOap: i have no display under perihperals |
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| 23:46.56 | zOap | OSM|server, did I forget? lol, it's kinda late over here and I have had a few ehm, ehrm... ok.. I apologize.. |
| 23:46.59 | BadMan | ETF wont run sound issue.. QuakeForge rusn with no sound..... almost miss windows.... |
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| 23:47.12 | zOap | hp_, no Display under peripherals??? |
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| 23:47.19 | herbi | iNsaNe is an onjoin spammer |
| 23:47.22 | OSM|server | z0ap: no problem :D i appreciate your help |
| 23:47.30 | hp_ | zOap: 'fraid not |
| 23:47.37 | zOap | OSM|Glad it worked:) |
| 23:47.42 | herbi | nobody cares? |
| 23:47.59 | zOap | hp_, how did you instll kde? what debian are you using? |
| 23:48.06 | zOap | herbi, noted' |
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| 23:48.14 | zOap | :) |
| 23:48.22 | hp_ | latest woody, but this one is running on vmware, which i think is the culprit |
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| 23:48.49 | togs | when I create a user using useradd, I left most of the details blank. how do I update them after creation? |
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| 23:49.00 | zOap | hp_, it seems to me that one or two components of the kde or the kde control isn't installed. hang on a minute |
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| 23:49.27 | simonrvn | aardvark: badger |
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| 23:49.40 | aardvark | simonrvn: iNsaNe |
| 23:49.53 | simonrvn | wHaT? |
| 23:50.04 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 23:50.06 | aardvark | simonrvn: they're joining but not spamming... maybe waiting for something |
| 23:50.10 | hp_ | can i apt-get firefox? i've tried mozilla-firefox and firefox, cannot find the package |
| 23:50.26 | |ryan| | mushroom mushroom |
| 23:50.29 | simonrvn | aardvark: yeh. waiting for a trigger maybe |
| 23:50.35 | aardvark | :-| |
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| 23:50.52 | valdyn | hp_: firefox isnt in woody.. |
| 23:51.14 | aardvark | maybe they're only spamming people whose nick starts with a z now |
| 23:51.22 | herbi | i got spammed |
| 23:51.27 | aardvark | hmmm |
| 23:51.30 | aardvark | herbi: by iNsaNe? |
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| 23:51.36 | herbi | yes |
| 23:51.37 | |ryan| | i did not get spammed.... |
| 23:51.41 | aardvark | herbi: just now? |
| 23:51.57 | zOap | hp_, you here? |
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| 23:52.10 | |ryan| | why the hell do spambot like this place? |
| 23:52.17 | caphuso | |ryan|: big channel |
| 23:52.31 | |ryan| | nobody here is going to click on thier shit. |
| 23:52.57 | myren | i just updated apt listings through aptitude, but its holding all my packages |
| 23:53.02 | myren | how do i tell it to update? |
| 23:53.10 | Flimzy | Has anyone here ever used UMSDOS? I'm considering using it for /home on a dual-boot laptop, to allow for the maximum amount of HD space usable by both Win32 and Linux. |
| 23:53.18 | |ryan| | aardvark: i'm on multiple chans. |
| 23:53.28 | Flimzy | Is this a bad idea? |
| 23:53.30 | aardvark | |ryan|: not visibly |
| 23:53.36 | |ryan| | really? |
| 23:53.39 | aardvark | yes |
| 23:53.44 | aardvark | |ryan| on #debian |
| 23:53.54 | *** part/#debian |ryan| (apanizi@c-24-7-159-172.client.comcast.net) |
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| 23:53.54 | OSM|server | z0ap: what window manager would you suggest? i need one that uses very little resources and hdd space |
| 23:54.04 | pandom | how to flush exim4 queue? |
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| 23:54.19 | *** part/#debian |ryan| (apanizi@c-24-7-159-172.client.comcast.net) |
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| 23:54.19 | pandom | caphuso, |
| 23:54.22 | pandom | how to flush exim4 queue? |
| 23:54.27 | zOap | OSM|server, consider xfce, it's nice and uses little resources... |
| 23:54.29 | caphuso | pandom: mailq |
| 23:54.40 | |ryan| | aardvark: uh, am i still only showing up in here? |
| 23:54.53 | pandom | caphuso, mailq just shows the queue, what option to feed it? |
| 23:54.54 | OSM|server | z0ap: thanks... i was thinking the same thing |
| 23:54.54 | aardvark | |ryan|: yes |
| 23:55.01 | |ryan| | odd. |
| 23:55.03 | zOap | OSM|server, also, I really like gnome, I currently have it on a pentium II 300, works like a clock |
| 23:55.03 | caphuso | pandom: err, runq. sorry |
| 23:55.22 | pandom | caphuso, thank |
| 23:55.24 | |ryan| | i'm in my LUG's chann which isn't +s or +p |
| 23:55.30 | Rawplayer | i have minicom installed on my server and i have two configs i allowed the user "kevin" to use both of the configs when i start minicom with "minicom configfile" nothing happens but when i just start minicom with "minicom" then it works with the default minirc.dfl config when i switch the ports in the default config file it keeps working but now with a custom file does someone know how to solve that? |
| 23:56.00 | aardvark | herbi: if you /cycle, does it spam you? |
| 23:56.03 | myren | aptitude is holding all my packages, |
| 23:56.07 | myren | how do i make it update them instead |
| 23:56.14 | zOap | OSM|server, the downside with gnome is a pretty big installation, if you have little space in your hd.. otherwise it's a classic... But you can't miss with the cfxe |
| 23:56.20 | OSM|server | z0ap: ive got an 850mb hdd... so gnome will take up a lot of space on this thing. And isnt Gnome quite bloated? |
| 23:56.29 | OSM|server | z0ap: hehe yup |
| 23:56.46 | aardvark | OSM|server: i wouldn't run gnome on such a slow disk |
| 23:56.48 | valdyn | Flimzy: have you considered this: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm ? |
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| 23:56.58 | zOap | OSM|server, no, not bloated, you can strip it down, but it requires that you know what you do... |
| 23:56.59 | baz | OSM|server: or try evilwm for a really tiny wm :) |
| 23:57.10 | aardvark | bytewalker: did you get spammed? |
| 23:57.18 | zOap | baz, agree, it's nice |
| 23:57.19 | OSM|server | baz: thanks for the suggestion... i will take a look at it |
| 23:57.29 | bytewalker | eh no why |
| 23:57.38 | aardvark | :-| |
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| 23:57.48 | Flimzy | valdyn: looking at it now... |
| 23:57.50 | pandom | caphuso, mailq shows me there're two mails frozen, how to read them easily and delete them? |
| 23:58.00 | bytewalker | is there any web browser more lightweight than firefox? i only got 16 megs of ram lol |
| 23:58.00 | caphuso | pandom: run exim4 -qff |
| 23:58.19 | baz | bytewalker: dillo |
| 23:58.43 | gravity | links |
| 23:58.43 | bytewalker | dillo huh, ok il check back bbl |
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| 23:59.29 | bytewalker | graphics, plz:p |
| 23:59.29 | Agrajag- | anyone know why lsof would just hang, appearing to do nothing? |
| 23:59.42 | Agrajag- | oh wait.. it just printed stuff after 30 seconds or so |
