| 00:00.14 | MesaMan | So what happened to bitchx in the distro? |
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| 00:01.05 | Flimzy | valdyn: I don't think that will really do what I want. I'd like the option of running Win32 apps from the partition. |
| 00:01.19 | gravity | MesaMan: What do you mean? It's still there |
| 00:01.21 | Flimzy | valdyn: (In case my very small initial Win partition gets full) |
| 00:01.47 | MesaMan | gravity: it is? dselect is telling me it's no longer available when I switched to "frozen" |
| 00:01.48 | valdyn | Flimzy: theres a link to a full ext2 driver too, however I have _no_ idea how reliable that one is |
| 00:01.51 | caphuso | Flimzy: are there still working versions of umsdos available? |
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| 00:01.59 | gravity | MesaMan: "frozen"? |
| 00:02.12 | gravity | MesaMan: Why on earth are you using "frozen"? That's... probably beyond ancient |
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| 00:02.19 | Flimzy | caphuso: I don't even know. |
| 00:02.20 | gravity | iirc |
| 00:02.32 | gravity | or rathter, if I infer correctly |
| 00:02.41 | Flimzy | caphuso: I would assume that old versions still work tho. |
| 00:02.46 | MesaMan | gravity: isn't frozen supposed to be newer than stable but not quite as unstable as... unstable? |
| 00:02.51 | gravity | MesaMan: No |
| 00:03.02 | Flimzy | caphuso: I just don't know how well it _ever_ worked |
| 00:03.04 | gravity | MesaMan: frozen is for when the archive is frozen, but I don't even know if we use that anymore |
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| 00:03.44 | gravity | MesaMan: Testing is more what you want |
| 00:03.50 | MesaMan | gravity: figures... the good ideas always get ignored... |
| 00:03.59 | Flimzy | MesaMan: 'testing' will become frozen when they stop accepting new features, in preparation for making it 'stable' |
| 00:04.15 | gravity | MesaMan: The good ideas are always ignored? wtf? |
| 00:04.16 | MesaMan | gravity: "testing"? that's what I had and apt complained... |
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| 00:04.42 | MesaMan | Infact, that's what I thought frozen was -- just poorly named. |
| 00:05.01 | teclo | evening. Is the raidtools2 for hardware raid or software raid ? |
| 00:05.17 | pipeline | teclo: Software RAID through md devices. |
| 00:05.26 | gravity | MesaMan: How did apt complain? What did it say and what did you do? |
| 00:05.34 | pipeline | teclo: What sort of RAID card do you have? |
| 00:05.40 | teclo | pipeline: Thank you . |
| 00:05.45 | MesaMan | gravity: not found... |
| 00:05.52 | caphuso | Flimzy: it used to work in 1997 or so, when i last used it |
| 00:05.52 | teclo | pipeline: Adaptec |
| 00:05.53 | Taraxacum | hey |
| 00:05.55 | gravity | MesaMan: What did you do exactly? |
| 00:06.02 | pipeline | teclo: What sort of Adaptec? |
| 00:06.09 | Taraxacum | my apt wants to remove my gdm, can i prevent it from doing that? |
| 00:06.12 | MesaMan | Er... |
| 00:06.16 | gravity | Taraxacum: Put the package on hold |
| 00:06.22 | teclo | pipeline: oops, sorry I am confused |
| 00:06.26 | teclo | pipeline: Promise FastTrak Ultra ATA RAID |
| 00:06.27 | Taraxacum | how? |
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| 00:06.34 | pipeline | Taraxacum: Just let it do it and reinstall it? |
| 00:06.36 | valdyn | Taraxacum: why does it want to remove gdm? |
| 00:06.37 | MesaMan | gravity: never mind... I *am* using testing, not frozen.. and it still says bitchx isn't there... |
| 00:06.40 | gravity | Taraxacum: Use a decent frontend like aptitude or dselect. It's easy |
| 00:06.44 | pipeline | Taraxacum: If it wants to remove gdm, there's a good reason. |
| 00:07.06 | MesaMan | anyway, that was more curiosity. I don't use bitchx unless I can't get X going and need to get some support... |
| 00:07.06 | pipeline | teclo: Fasttrak what? Be specific. |
| 00:07.10 | Taraxacum | i tried to remove another program and it said it should remove gdm too, and i said no, but now it's still there when i wanted to install another program |
| 00:07.22 | Taraxacum | oh okay |
| 00:07.34 | Taraxacum | i'll just go ahead then and let it do it?! |
| 00:07.39 | valdyn | Taraxacum: so gdm depends on that other program? |
| 00:07.40 | gravity | MesaMan: It appears to have been removed from testing for some reason right now |
| 00:07.42 | pipeline | MesaMan: there are many, much nicer command-line chat clients. e.g. ircii and irssi |
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| 00:07.48 | hp_ | is there a way to tell apt-get to install all required dependencies along with the package? |
| 00:07.51 | valdyn | Taraxacum: be less vague |
| 00:07.54 | pipeline | hp_: It'll always do that. |
| 00:08.00 | MesaMan | What I really wanted to know is if anyone here uses PHPNuke and knows if the "free registration" can be turned off so that it takes admin approval |
| 00:08.07 | streuner | hp_: that's the default |
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| 00:08.12 | gravity | hp_: That's what its job is |
| 00:08.14 | Taraxacum | want more to provide more info? |
| 00:08.24 | gravity | hp_: If you want build dependencies, that's apt-get build-dep foo |
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| 00:08.29 | valdyn | Taraxacum: sure. |
| 00:08.30 | Taraxacum | i try to install libselinux1 |
| 00:08.39 | streuner | Taraxacum: yes - just don't say the package ;-) |
| 00:08.44 | pipeline | teclo: Assuming it's a TX2 or a TX4 or something low-end like that, you should probably use software RAID instead. |
| 00:08.54 | teclo | pipeline: it's written "Promise FastTrak Ultra ATA RAID" on it... I think it's a 66 MHz IDE .... |
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| 00:09.03 | gravity | MesaMan: bitchx isn't in testing because it has RC bugs. |
| 00:09.07 | pipeline | teclo: Yes, but what model? It's actually pretty important. |
| 00:09.14 | Taraxacum | well sorry i didn't think it would make any diffrance |
| 00:09.20 | streuner | dpkg depends libselinux1 |
| 00:09.21 | gravity | ew... phpnuke |
| 00:09.24 | gravity | God... ew |
| 00:09.24 | dpkg | libselinux1: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4) |
| 00:09.39 | streuner | well, that's very strange or you don't use debian then |
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| 00:09.43 | teclo | pipeline: lspci says: "00:07.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20262 (rev 01)" |
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| 00:09.45 | MesaMan | gravity: that bad? |
| 00:09.48 | Taraxacum | in other words for a newbie you would say in clear language? |
| 00:09.57 | pipeline | teclo: Yeah, that's a low-end card. It's a great IDE card, but you shouldn't use the hardware RAID. |
| 00:09.59 | gravity | MesaMan: From every single account I've heard. Unless of course you like security holes |
| 00:10.06 | valdyn | Taraxacum: you *may* want to do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and _after_ that try installing libselinux1 again |
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| 00:10.21 | Taraxacum | okay |
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| 00:10.41 | pipeline | teclo: Set up software RAID instead. It's both faster and more reliable. |
| 00:10.48 | MesaMan | gravity: well, it was provided by my hosting company and I wanted a cookie cutter website... I'm not graphicly inclined... |
| 00:10.52 | teclo | pipeline: well, it works :)... and imho, hardware raid is more reliable than software raid... |
| 00:11.10 | pipeline | teclo: Not when it's software-assisted. And no, it doesn't work. I strongly suggest you use software RAID. |
| 00:11.13 | dmp_ | not on shitty hardware |
| 00:11.29 | pipeline | teclo: I have several of those cards, and they're *very* nice IDE controllers, but their RAID functionality is pathetic. |
| 00:11.30 | Taraxacum | i am worried now :( i think i made a mistake earlier that i will suffer for now... |
| 00:11.46 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 00:11.46 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES CANCER! |
| 00:12.14 | teclo | pipeline: well I've paid for it, installed it, created the partitions, installed and configured the machine... hm, I'm not thinking of redoing all of that... :/ |
| 00:12.16 | Taraxacum | well you're not exactly helping me |
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| 00:12.31 | dmp_ | chuckle |
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| 00:12.44 | Taraxacum | will it change any settings i have made or will it just work like normal after i do the upgrade? |
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| 00:13.26 | pipeline | Taraxacum: Unless you specify "--purge" when you remove something, your settings are left intact. |
| 00:13.29 | gravity | Taraxacum: No debian package should change settings without your permission. If there's a conffile that changes, it'll give you multiple options |
| 00:13.42 | Taraxacum | thank you |
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| 00:13.50 | Taraxacum | makes me feel alot safer :) |
| 00:13.53 | valdyn | Taraxacum: settings wont change. All should work as before, "should" doesnt mean i can guarantee it. Dont do it blindly, if it wants to remove alot of stuff, look into it |
| 00:14.28 | Taraxacum | to late now |
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| 00:15.55 | lakcaj | What will happen when sarge goes stable? Will I have to change all the testing references in sources.list to stable? |
| 00:16.03 | peterS | lakcaj: yeah |
| 00:16.13 | peterS | lakcaj: or you could change them to 'sarge' and it will work all the time |
| 00:16.19 | valdyn | lakcaj: if you want to stick to sarge, change it to sarge now already |
| 00:16.22 | Flimzy | Why the hell do I have ipmasqadm installed on my laptop? |
| 00:16.30 | dabreegster | I'm looking to make a home LAN with 3 computers. The cable modems I'm looking at have 1ethernet connection & 1 usb. I was thinking I could connect the usb connection to my PC, have the ethernet connection lead to the windows box, and have a ethernet connection from my box's network card lead to another linux box's network card. |
| 00:16.36 | lakcaj | peterS, thanks. |
| 00:16.40 | streuner | Flimzy: magic? |
| 00:16.47 | Taraxacum | i think i am fucked now :( |
| 00:16.56 | streuner | Flimzy: that's surely not an essential package... |
| 00:16.59 | Flimzy | streuner: or stupidity |
| 00:16.59 | peterS | dabreegster: I doubt the calbe modem will work with USB and Ethernet simultaneously. but you could try it |
| 00:17.03 | njan | dabreegster, some ethernet/usb modems will let you do that, some don't |
| 00:17.08 | dabreegster | I'm not so sure connecting the USB to a linux box is going to work. the HOWTO on tldp is shaky. |
| 00:17.19 | dabreegster | dont think they would do both simultaneously? |
| 00:17.21 | njan | dabreegster, some of the newer conexant chipsets which are used in modems like the zoom adsl modems do let you do that |
| 00:17.26 | peterS | dabreegster: easier just to run NAT on one machine with two Ethernet cards, and get a hub |
| 00:17.30 | Flimzy | streuner: no... it's purged now |
| 00:17.46 | dabreegster | whats the best, CHEAPEST way to connect 3 pcs? |
| 00:17.48 | njan | dabreegster, but you'd have to check. You'd be best off going with the suggestion peterS made, or better yet, buying a modem with a switch/router built in |
| 00:17.56 | njan | dabreegster, buy a $50 linksys cable modem with a router built in |
| 00:18.03 | streuner | dabreegster: an hub |
| 00:18.11 | dabreegster | njan: I'd like to do that, but the model I'm looking at is $150 |
| 00:18.13 | Taraxacum | it says something now about modutils don't have satisfied dependency and is not installed, i am in deep trouble now whoever that made me do this |
| 00:18.18 | karsten | dabreegster: String. |
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| 00:18.23 | dabreegster | alright |
| 00:18.26 | karsten | dabreegster: ...however, it's not particularly effective. |
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| 00:18.36 | DarkDemi | could someone give me a bit of help when I try to install debian from the business card it pauses on "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA disk'" |
| 00:18.37 | dabreegster | karsten: what? |
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| 00:18.41 | njan | dabreegster, http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5 |
| 00:18.48 | njan | dabreegster, walmart should give you one of those for <$50 |
| 00:18.53 | dabreegster | njan: thanks |
| 00:19.06 | njan | dabreegster, plug your existing cable modem into the WAN socket, plug your PCs into the LAN sockets |
| 00:19.10 | Taraxacum | great...no one wants to help now when they made a mess :( |
| 00:19.12 | dabreegster | hmm, best buy's site was pricing me $150 for a cable modem w/ router (4 ethernet connections) |
| 00:19.16 | dabreegster | ok |
| 00:19.21 | pipeline | teclo: Well, have fun when it breaks and fucks you in the ass. That's pretty much all there is to it. |
| 00:19.23 | karsten | dabreegster: Otherwise, what you're hearing here: hub/switch and/or a dual-nic PC with two xover cables. |
| 00:19.23 | valdyn | Taraxacum: if you dont tell errors, no one can help you |
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| 00:19.34 | red_one | Setting up exim (3.35-1woody4) ... |
| 00:19.34 | red_one | hostname: Unknown host |
| 00:19.34 | red_one | hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 |
| 00:19.35 | njan | dabreegster, probably because that's got a cable modem in it. This doesn't have a cable modem in it, just an upstream network socket |
| 00:19.37 | red_one | wtf? |
| 00:19.37 | Taraxacum | well problem is...they are not in english |
| 00:19.47 | dabreegster | oh |
| 00:19.49 | Taraxacum | Följande paket har beroenden som inte kan tillfredsställas: |
| 00:19.49 | Taraxacum | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.52 | Taraxacum | E: Otillfredsställda beroenden. Försök med -f. |
| 00:19.56 | mrhemlock | I need perl-doc package in info format ? do i have to make it myself ? |
| 00:19.56 | streuner | red_one: well, man hostname |
| 00:19.56 | mne | I' using debian unstable and after an "apt-get upgrade" today, now vlc doesn't work anymore. It prints out "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72" which is possible the error discussed at "http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2005-03/msg00049.html". Do I have to patch ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c and recompile or is there already a fix for this in the debian packages ? |
| 00:19.58 | Taraxacum | but there you go |
| 00:20.01 | njan | dabreegster, I'm assuming here that you already have a cable modem, probably a motorola, from your cable company :) |
| 00:20.08 | valdyn | Taraxacum: preceed whatever command you are doing with "LC_ALL=C", and dont paste multiple lines |
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| 00:20.16 | Taraxacum | i just made two |
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| 00:20.31 | Flimzy | Why the hell do I have palo installed on my i386 laptop?! |
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| 00:20.33 | dabreegster | njan: nope. I havent actually got cable yet, I'm just seeing how much its gunna cost |
| 00:20.42 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi, what is the file I put my dns servers IP in? |
| 00:20.43 | mne | Taraxacum, "export LC_ALL = en_US" or something like that |
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| 00:20.56 | njan | dabreegster, you'll almost certainly get a cable modem as part of the package.. either that or it'll be an extra $1 - $3 per month and they'll include it by default |
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| 00:21.07 | karsten | Can apache serve gzipped static HTML pages. That is: gzipped _on_ the server. |
| 00:21.09 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:21.11 | mne | Tweak`TG-Owner, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:21.11 | njan | dabreegster, in my experience with 2 cable providers in the states, I got a motorola surfboard for free with the package each time. |
| 00:21.14 | Tweak`TG-Owner | thanks flimzy |
| 00:21.16 | MesaMan | gravity: is there something that pretty much does what PHPNuke does? How about XOOPS or maybe Phprojekt? |
| 00:21.17 | dickli | newbie question about usb mouse, i loaded mousedev and hid, am using /dev/input/mice, but when i get into kde the mouse behavior is totally erratic |
| 00:21.30 | dabreegster | njan: wow. one of the providers Cox? |
| 00:21.33 | dickli | how do i fix that? |
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| 00:21.42 | njan | dabreegster, nope. Adelphia and Cableone |
| 00:21.44 | dabreegster | njan: I'm hoping for $15 per month for lowest grade plan. |
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| 00:21.58 | dabreegster | ok |
| 00:21.59 | streuner | dickli: try /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 00:22.00 | mne | dickli, try to turn off gpm, this sometimes causes the described behaviour |
| 00:22.05 | njan | dabreegster, I had to give it back, it was free as in they were leasing it to me :) |
| 00:22.15 | dabreegster | njan: aaaah, there's the catch. |
| 00:22.18 | dickli | mne how do i turn off gpm? |
| 00:22.18 | streuner | dickli: dpkg -l gpm |
| 00:22.24 | dickli | thanks |
| 00:22.31 | mne | dickli, /etc/init.d/gpm stop |
| 00:22.32 | streuner | dickli: just show us the output |
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| 00:22.44 | mne | dickli, then restart x |
| 00:22.59 | dabreegster | Maybe I'll just connect the modem to my PC through ethernet then install 2 more ethernet catds... no. there's 3 ports on the network card here. Can't I utilize em? |
| 00:23.05 | njan | dabreegster, tbh, I think the cable companies prefer to do that, because they control the cable modems over DOCSIS. If you had your own cable modem on the line, you might be able to make a case for changing the DOCSIS settings in the cable mode, which would let you uncap your cable service. |
| 00:23.19 | njan | dabreegster, a three-port network card? |
| 00:23.38 | njan | dabreegster, I'd check it carefully.. very few PCs have a network card with >1 socket :p |
| 00:23.47 | peterS | I've seen 2-port and 4-port network cards. but not 3 |
| 00:23.51 | DarkDemi | a little help anyone? |
| 00:23.52 | streuner | dickli: what's the output of 'dpkg -l gpm'? |
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| 00:23.53 | dabreegster | njan: I dunno. there's a hole, what looks like a serial port, and a phoneline-looking thing |
| 00:24.03 | njan | dabreegster, ah. Very old card. |
| 00:24.03 | dickli | i'm on a dual boot machine |
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| 00:24.08 | njan | dabreegster, you can't use them all at the same time. |
| 00:24.13 | valdyn | dabreegster: 100mbit switches / hubs are really cheap |
| 00:24.17 | dabreegster | oh |
| 00:24.27 | dickli | i'll let you know when i get back :) |
| 00:24.32 | dabreegster | valdyn: ok |
| 00:24.57 | red_one | streuner: does'nt tell me squat |
| 00:25.17 | njan | dabreegster, you'll have a coaxial socket, an RJ45, and a ~15 pin socket |
| 00:25.17 | njan | dabreegster, probably only 10mbit, and most likely a 3com Etherlink III |
| 00:25.20 | dabreegster | Cable modem connects to router/hub/whatever. Router has 3 ethernet connections, 1 going to each PC. That'll work? |
| 00:25.32 | streuner | red_one: just set the hostname, that should fix it |
| 00:25.34 | njan | dabreegster, router yes. Not if it was a hub |
| 00:25.35 | dabreegster | njan: you gussed correctly |
| 00:25.53 | valdyn | dabreegster: 8-port switch: 18 euro |
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| 00:26.01 | red_one | streuner: it was set. |
| 00:26.06 | dabreegster | valdyn: that used...? |
| 00:26.09 | njan | dabreegster, you'll almost certainly get one IP from your cable provider, so to have >1 computer connected you need something doing NAT (Network Address Translation), which is either a PC running Internet Connection Sharing in windows or a linux machine with iptables/ip_forwarding. |
| 00:26.14 | valdyn | dabreegster: new |
| 00:26.22 | Radiance | hmm guys, any one can hint at a way to save a file containing hex codes to binary ? (without using perl) thank you |
| 00:26.30 | dabreegster | valdyn: wow. got a brand name? |
| 00:26.34 | njan | dabreegster, if you get a cable router like the linksys, it'll do that for you - but if you just plug a hub/switch into the cable modem, you'll only get one machine connected that's plugged into it, and possibly none at all |
| 00:26.44 | red_one | aha |
| 00:26.50 | pipeline | Radiance: C++ iostreams library. MS QBASIC. Lisp. Ruby. Anything. |
| 00:26.55 | Flimzy | Has anyone observed a noticable difference in memory usage between XF3 and XF4? |
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| 00:26.59 | dabreegster | njan: since 3 connections would be "equal" how would I choose which one does the NAT or whatever? |
| 00:27.00 | valdyn | dabreegster: soho, dlink 5-port would be 20 euro |
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| 00:27.16 | pipeline | Flimzy: 4 is an even more bloated monster? |
| 00:27.19 | dabreegster | valdyn: thats nice and cheap |
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| 00:27.23 | njan | dabreegster, what I'm saying is, you can only have one device/pc plugged into the cable connection, and it does the NAT |
| 00:27.30 | pipeline | Flimzy: ALthough you have to keep in mind that the X server has a lot of memory allocated for the clients |
| 00:27.38 | Flimzy | pipeline: But is it really? |
| 00:27.38 | valdyn | dabreegster: but you still need a cable modem then. |
| 00:27.45 | dabreegster | njan: ok |
| 00:27.47 | njan | dabreegster, that's either your cable router with 3 pcs plugged into it.. or your desktop with a second network card which is plugged into a hub (which the rest of your PCs are plugged into) and ICS enabled |
| 00:28.01 | pipeline | Flimzy: Hard to say, as the clients allocate a lot more X server memory than they used to |
| 00:28.01 | dabreegster | valdyn: which is about $80 |
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| 00:28.35 | jan_ | hi, i'm trying to change my user password thru LDAP, login works: passwd: /home/roland/debian/openldap/build/2.1.30/openldap2-2.1.30/libraries/liblber/encode.c:327: ber_put_string: Assertion `str != ((void *)0)' failed. |
| 00:28.39 | jan_ | Aborted |
| 00:28.48 | dabreegster | that'd probably be the cheapest option then. |
| 00:29.01 | njan | dabreegster, if I were you I'd use a $50 walmart router to do it, because otherwise a) you'll need your desktop on all the time in order to give your other machines net access, b) if your desktop has problems, you lose your internet connection, c) using NAT on a PC means the PC'll be marginally slower |
| 00:29.10 | valdyn | dabreegster: netgear rp614 DSL-Router 4-port RJ45, 33euro, thats what you need? |
| 00:29.24 | pipeline | jan_: Whoa, that's ugly. |
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| 00:29.27 | valdyn | dabreegster: now im sure that device be trash, but its cheap |
| 00:29.29 | dabreegster | valdyn: excellent. hope they have that at a local store |
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| 00:29.44 | jan_ | pipeline: thats the error as root, with a normal user, it just gives "Unknown error" |
| 00:29.54 | slocate | hi, i'm getting this error hlabs1c2:~# e2fsck -b 4096 -p /dev/hdd |
| 00:29.56 | slocate | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdd |
| 00:30.05 | jan_ | pipeline: very usefull finding out what the problem could be ;) |
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| 00:30.23 | dabreegster | thanks everybody |
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| 00:30.41 | slocate | any other way of fixing a bad superblock? |
| 00:30.43 | njan | dabreegster, http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504719 |
| 00:30.51 | Jacco | Hi. |
| 00:31.19 | Jacco | I am trying to access some .cpp files on a Debian server from Windows XP |
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| 00:31.28 | peterS | slocate: the disk is not partitioned? normally it *is* partitioned and you want /dev/hdd1 or similar |
| 00:31.29 | mne | is the current unstable libc6 broken ? I just did an apt-get upgrade and now I get this error: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2005-03/msg00049.html |
| 00:31.37 | jan_ | pipeline: i'm already looking ~4 days for a solution, but i can't find anything about it |
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| 00:31.53 | jan_ | ii libldap2 2.1.30-3 OpenLDAP libraries |
| 00:31.54 | slocate | peterS: but it is |
| 00:31.56 | pipeline | jan_: It doesn't help that Debian's openLDAP is ancient |
| 00:31.57 | sroddy | hi all |
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| 00:32.04 | jan_ | pipeline: :( |
| 00:32.04 | Flimzy | Jacco: sounds like fun. best of luck |
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| 00:32.16 | pipeline | jan_: OpenLDAP on Debian is ancient and unmaintained. |
| 00:32.23 | Jacco | But I'm having a problem. |
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| 00:32.28 | Jarn | is there a way to change my machine name |
| 00:32.28 | pipeline | jan_: You may have to build it yourself, by hand. |
| 00:32.31 | jan_ | pipeline: aah, ic, that really sucks |
| 00:32.33 | Jacco | I want the start directory to be / |
| 00:32.38 | pipeline | Jarn: edit /etc/hostname |
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| 00:32.39 | slocate | peterS: it is a ext3 though |
| 00:32.53 | pipeline | Jacco: What protocol are you using? |
| 00:33.00 | peterS | slocate: it is what? is partitioned? if so, /dev/hdd is not what you want |
| 00:33.03 | slocate | peterS: a swap other partition |
| 00:33.04 | jan_ | pipeline: any other way to put all my users into a database oriented server ? |
| 00:33.19 | Flimzy | Looks like UMSDOS only works in 2.4 and older right now. 2.6 has it broken |
| 00:33.19 | streuner | !superblock |
| 00:33.19 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. If yours went missing, use e2sl (http://www.schumann.cx/e2sl/) |
| 00:33.27 | pipeline | jan_: The OpenLDAP people are being real dicks, in that they're hellbent on sticking with OpenSSL. |
| 00:33.28 | slocate | peterS: tried e2fsck -b 4096 -p /dev/hdd1 too |
| 00:33.38 | sroddy | i have a strange problem with iptables, i have set up a bridge but the iptables rules work only on the local br0 and not on the computer linked to eth1, anyone can help? |
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| 00:33.43 | heya | Hi. I install debian testing base only. My network card is via rhine. The module was loaded ok. i can´t ping any other pcs on my network. someone knows if exists some problem with this card ? |
| 00:33.47 | pipeline | jan_: The Debian people are being real dicks, in that the OpenSSL license is totally unacceptable, and no new package that depends on OpenSSL will be allowed in Debian |
| 00:33.50 | streuner | !factinfo superblock |
| 00:33.50 | dpkg | superblock -- created by cafuego <cafuego@2001:db0:1073:0:0:0:0:1> at Tue Dec 30 02:33:59 2003 (445 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by streuner, 31s ago. |
| 00:33.52 | Jacco | pipeline: ftp |
| 00:33.53 | Rawplayer | !whine pipeline |
| 00:33.59 | streuner | hm |
| 00:34.05 | Jacco | will people stop flooding the channel |
| 00:34.06 | Jacco | ? |
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| 00:34.27 | streuner | Jacco: me? |
| 00:34.27 | pipeline | jan_: Someone developed OpenLDAP patches that used gnutls instead of openssl, but those patches were for 2.1.30 and are now unmaintained. It probably wouldn't be much work to fix them, but.... |
| 00:34.31 | Jacco | no. |
| 00:34.33 | pipeline | Jacco: Use SFTP instead. |
| 00:34.34 | Jacco | everyone |
| 00:34.41 | streuner | heh? |
| 00:34.44 | Jacco | what is SFTP and is it compatible with Windows XP SP1? |
| 00:34.54 | pipeline | Jacco: SFTP is secure FTP. And yes. |
| 00:34.57 | heya | Hi. I install debian testing base only. My network card is via rhine. The module was loaded ok. i can´t ping any other pcs on my network. someone knows if exists some problem with this card ? |
| 00:34.57 | jan_ | pipeline: any luck for 'unofficial packages'? |
| 00:35.00 | njan | Jacco, http://winscp.sourceforge.net |
| 00:35.06 | pipeline | jan_: Not really. |
| 00:35.13 | Jacco | Why would SFTP help me? |
| 00:35.28 | Jacco | Besides added security, that is. |
| 00:35.35 | pipeline | Jacco: Because it allows you to access the entire filesystem hierarchy by default. |
| 00:35.37 | njan | heya, have you configured the network interface so that it's using a network address/subnetmask which allow it to talk with the rest of your network? |
| 00:35.45 | pipeline | Jacco: FTP by default chroots you to your home directory, and I absolutely will not help you change that. |
| 00:35.46 | njan | heya, either statically, or with a dhcp server, if you have one running? |
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| 00:35.50 | Jacco | okay |
| 00:35.53 | Jacco | now, pipeline |
| 00:36.03 | Flimzy | Jacco: SFTP is a file transfer protocol. It's compatible with any OS that has a client written for it (which should include any version of Unix, Win32, OS/2, MacOS, and probably a bazillion other OSes) |
| 00:36.09 | Jacco | how would I go about removing ftp from service startup and installing sftp? |
| 00:36.25 | valdyn | Jacco: sftp is already installed on your debian |
| 00:36.26 | thenuke | Jacco: apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 00:36.28 | pipeline | Jacco: You probably already run sshd, which is all that you need. Removing ftp is as easy as removing the ftp server package. |
| 00:36.32 | heya | njan it´s ok. others computers can traffic on my network. hmm on this pc where i found this problems 0 bytes tx and rx |
| 00:36.34 | valdyn | Jacco: most likely |
| 00:36.38 | heya | it´s dhcp. |
| 00:36.53 | Jacco | isn't there an easier way? :( |
| 00:36.54 | pipeline | Jacco: If you can access the server through ssh, you can almost certainly use SFTP. |
| 00:36.54 | njan | heya, if you type ifconfig -a, can you a) see the network interface, and b) is it configured with an IP? |
| 00:37.03 | Jacco | I don't know if it works with ssh |
| 00:37.07 | pipeline | Jacco: No. FTP sucks. It's not really meant to be used except for anonymously. |
| 00:37.12 | Jacco | Debian is on a virtual PC |
| 00:37.12 | pipeline | Jacco: How do you log into it? |
| 00:37.27 | Jacco | and it is logged on to through windows exploder |
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| 00:37.29 | pipeline | Jacco: Ah, then log in and run "ps aux|grep sshd" -- if you see an sshd process running, you have sftp. |
| 00:37.34 | Jacco | exploder/explorer/r |
| 00:37.50 | Flimzy | pipeline: And then, you should use HTTP. |
| 00:37.52 | pipeline | Jacco: "Exploder" was correct. |
| 00:37.53 | yang_ | hi, can anyone help me please, i can't make accents neither in console or in kde |
| 00:37.55 | heya | njan when i typed dhclient dont got any ip via dhcp server. hmmm but if i set any ip on network card the netmask and correct gateway i cant ping |
| 00:38.00 | Jacco | yea |
| 00:38.12 | njan | heya, if you couldn't get an IP via dhcp, your computer probably isn't talking to the network |
| 00:38.12 | Jacco | pipeline: it shows 2 |
| 00:38.17 | Jacco | grep sshd |
| 00:38.20 | pipeline | Flimzy: I don't know, FTP still has its advantages. FXP, for example. And HTTP uploads suck. |
| 00:38.21 | Jacco | and /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 00:38.27 | yang_ | neither i can make them in xserver |
| 00:38.34 | Jacco | pants. |
| 00:38.36 | njan | heya, if you couldn't get an IP via DHCP, I'm not surprised a static address doesn't work; I'd check everything's plugged in properly and you have link lights on your switch/hub |
| 00:38.40 | heya | njan what could I to do for talk so ? |
| 00:38.41 | Flimzy | pipeline: FXP? |
| 00:38.43 | pipeline | Jacco: The "grep sshd" is the process you ran to look for a running sshd. So yes, SFTP will work. Go get a windows SFTP client and go to town. |
| 00:38.57 | Flimzy | pipeline: True re: HTTP uploads. |
| 00:39.04 | pipeline | Flimzy: Using client "C" to transfer files between servers "A" and "B" |
| 00:39.11 | pipeline | Flimzy: Extension to the FTP protocol |
| 00:39.18 | pipeline | Flimzy: ALso, FTP TLS is a lot easier to set up than HTTP SSL |
| 00:39.25 | heya | njan yep. it´s ok. i´ve two systems here windows e debian ... on windows it´s ok. there not. im surprised to get this problem on debian. |
| 00:39.30 | Flimzy | pipeline: I guess FTP is useful for anonymous upload. That's the only thing I can think of :P |
| 00:39.44 | pipeline | Flimzy: It's not useful at all for its original purpose (accessing home directories) |
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| 00:39.51 | pipeline | Flimzy: But it's very, very useful for a lot of other things. |
| 00:39.56 | heya | njan the module via-rhine was lodad correctlly |
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| 00:40.05 | Flimzy | pipeline: I see. |
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| 00:40.32 | pipeline | Jacco: "Pants, I can't do incredibly stupid things because they're convenient for windows exploder" |
| 00:40.40 | sroddy | anyone knows why iptables doesnt apply rules over a bridge (br0) |
| 00:40.43 | Jacco | ... |
| 00:40.45 | Jacco | o_O |
| 00:40.47 | pipeline | Jacco: Exploder FTP support is awful anyway. You would be better off setting up MS SFU and using NFS. |
| 00:40.56 | Jacco | pipeline: I'm not after that. |
| 00:40.58 | heya | njan any idea brow ? |
| 00:41.00 | njan | heya, if you have windows on the same system, then the only thing I can think of is to try rmmod'ing the module and reinserting it.. if windows hasn't released the IP to the DHCP server, some DHCP servers won't give linux an IP, but that shouldn't have stopped your static address from working. |
| 00:41.11 | Jacco | I want to use textpad to save it on the virtual PC when I hit ctrl+s |
| 00:41.30 | pipeline | njan: If you don't reset the modem, it won't allow you to connect a new machine. |
| 00:41.38 | heya | njan yes... it´s very strange. i never got this problem on debian. |
| 00:41.44 | pipeline | Jacco: Yeah, you can't do that with windows FTP folders. |
| 00:41.49 | Jacco | why not? |
| 00:42.01 | pipeline | Jacco: They don't work that way. It's not a full IFS module, it's just a shim for exploder. |
| 00:42.02 | njan | pipeline, I'm assuming he's talking about a LAN |
| 00:42.03 | Jacco | it's a "network place" whatever that means |
| 00:42.16 | Taraxacum | someone in #debian said i should do a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" before install selinux and i did and it gave me alot of trouble, i didn't dare to do the kernel, was that a bad option? |
| 00:42.16 | slocate | peterS: no ideas? |
| 00:42.20 | pipeline | Jacco: No, no it's not. NT is much more complicated than it looks. |
| 00:42.28 | njan | pipeline, <heya> Hi. I install debian testing base only. My network card is via rhine. The module was loaded ok. i can´t ping any other pcs on my network. someone knows if exists some problem with this card ? |
| 00:42.44 | heya | njan i have on laptop at my network with the same debian. and i get the ip via dhcp |
| 00:43.13 | streuner | Taraxacum: you can always install an other kernel, if you want - anytime. |
| 00:43.32 | peterS | slocate: well, you seemed to be quite confused about how hdd was partitioned (you first tried to fsck the raw disk, as though it weren't partitioned at all) |
| 00:43.39 | njan | heya, :(.. it may be a via-rhine problem, but I have no idea. I've never ever used a rhine network card. All my systems are eepro, 3com, realtek 8139, or broadcom. |
| 00:43.47 | Taraxacum | i know...but i figure since it upgrade alot of other stuff i am afraid i won't be able to boot next time i try |
| 00:43.49 | peterS | slocate: so I'd do "cat /proc/partitions" to see how many partitions hdd has, and then check each one of those |
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| 00:44.09 | mastergoon | is there any debian installer out that does reiser4? |
| 00:44.11 | pipeline | Jacco: Filesystems like NFS and CIFS have full backends so that you can save to them like disks. "Windows FTP Folders" were just a quick hack that don't have much of the backend stuff, so things just don't work and it's not always readily apparent why not. |
| 00:44.21 | pipeline | mastergoon: No. And there never will be. Perish the thought. |
| 00:44.27 | heya | njan ok thanks anyway. if(!debian) nolinux; :~~~ |
| 00:44.35 | streuner | Taraxacum: as long as you didn't 'touch' the MBR you should be fine, but have a boot-floppy always handy |
| 00:44.42 | sroddy | anyone uses trasparent brisging on his network? |
| 00:44.46 | mastergoon | why's that |
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| 00:44.54 | Taraxacum | i don't even know what i should do with one hehe |
| 00:44.56 | sroddy | bridging* |
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| 00:45.07 | Taraxacum | let's start with how i make one ;) |
| 00:45.14 | heya | njan where could I download the full CD install ? |
| 00:45.22 | pipeline | mastergoon: It should be obvious. |
| 00:45.49 | streuner | Taraxacum: man mkboot |
| 00:46.02 | heya | njan testing debian full CD install |
| 00:46.07 | mastergoon | alrighty then. |
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| 00:46.16 | Taraxacum | please cut me some slack for now, what's the line |
| 00:46.35 | streuner | just run 'mkboot' |
| 00:47.03 | Taraxacum | thank you |
| 00:47.05 | streuner | it uses the 'default' kernel which is symlinked to '/' |
| 00:47.24 | slocate | peterS: it is true what you are saying, but i know what partitions i have |
| 00:47.50 | slocate | peterS: that particular partition is hdd1 |
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| 00:48.14 | peterS | slocate: the e2fsck man page lists the various places backup superblocks might be found, for different disk layouts |
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| 00:49.04 | streuner | peterS: what's about factoid 'superblock'? |
| 00:49.12 | streuner | not helpful? |
| 00:49.30 | peterS | streuner: dunno. I'm in a hurry right now anyway, I have to go somewhere |
| 00:49.39 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:50.31 | jjjaaman | how can install the headers for 2.6 |
| 00:50.33 | jjjaaman | ? |
| 00:50.50 | streuner | jjjaaman: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
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| 00:51.14 | streuner | jjjaaman: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-blahblah |
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| 00:53.00 | streuner | jjjaaman: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 - gives you less results |
| 00:53.54 | jjjaaman | right i got it thanks |
| 00:53.58 | jjjaaman | do you knwo where it might install in |
| 00:54.01 | streuner | jjjaaman: did you install an new kernel? |
| 00:54.07 | jjjaaman | yes the latest 2.6 |
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| 00:54.24 | jjjaaman | i got the correct header files. just need to know the directory now |
| 00:54.25 | streuner | ok, /usr/src/kernel-blahblah |
| 00:54.28 | dan2 | ~test |
| 00:54.29 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 00:54.31 | jjjaaman | ah ok |
| 00:54.31 | dan2 | whew |
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| 00:56.18 | streuner | !find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 00:56.46 | TheLittleWitch | I have installed apache2 / php4 / mysql4! and phpinfo say i have mysql323. what has happen ? |
| 00:56.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3' returned no results. |
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| 00:57.04 | serialkiller | no reualts |
| 00:57.10 | streuner | serialkiller: why do you need that? |
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| 00:57.26 | TheLittleWitch | Client API version 3.23.56 |
| 00:57.29 | serialkiller | avp2 server |
| 00:57.30 | fusQuanto | im trying to run fsck but it keeps giving me this error over adn over: Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/lvmvolumes/ftp exited with signal 11. |
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| 00:57.39 | streuner | serialkiller: sounds like an symlink... |
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| 00:57.56 | serialkiller | setting it up and when i exe it it falls on its face |
| 00:58.01 | milestone | hi all |
| 00:58.04 | serialkiller | say bllaaa blaa no file or directory |
| 00:58.13 | milestone | my /var/log/utmp seems to be screwed up |
| 00:58.26 | jasz | anyone here knows about a reporting tool similar to Crystal Reports.. but for linux? |
| 00:58.31 | milestone | it says there are 3 users logged in although i am the only one |
| 00:58.39 | milestone | w shows me i am the only one |
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| 00:58.59 | milestone | is there a way to reset utmps output, or tell utmp to recheck? |
| 00:59.05 | Unhappy | ere |
| 00:59.07 | Unhappy | Im haveing problem with setuping exim4 on my debian system. |
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| 00:59.24 | T-mac | is the linux channel #linux? (it seems to not work sometimes.) |
| 00:59.24 | milestone | jasz, jasperreports, ireport |
| 00:59.24 | Unhappy | Mostly i cant configure my server to accept messages , and cant make SMTP AUTH to work |
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| 00:59.51 | jasz | milestone, .. thank you.. i'll check on those.... |
| 00:59.54 | serialkiller | when i sim link it i get |
| 00:59.54 | serialkiller | c |
| 00:59.59 | milestone | anyone ever had utmp screwed up? |
| 01:00.03 | serialkiller | ./avp2linux: relocation error: ./avp2linux: undefined symbol: __ti9exception |
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| 01:00.15 | Unhappy | each time i send mail from some outside host i get failure notice with - "Remote host said: 550 relay not permittedRemote host said: 550 relay not permitted" |
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| 01:00.33 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# dpkg -S /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 01:00.33 | streuner | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 01:00.46 | milestone | Unhappy, which is a good thing, because you do not want an open relay, right? |
| 01:01.00 | Unhappy | i dont want open relay |
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| 01:01.09 | Unhappy | but im not trying send mail from my system |
| 01:01.15 | milestone | jasz, both are java based and work on linux also |
| 01:01.22 | serialkiller | streuner: huh? |
| 01:01.23 | Unhappy | milestone im trying send to my system |
| 01:01.28 | serialkiller | mine says not found |
| 01:01.29 | jasz | milestone, .. i'm reading :) |
| 01:01.33 | valdyn | Unhappy: did you read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH ? |
| 01:01.37 | Taraxacum | what does this means... |
| 01:01.38 | Taraxacum | dpkg: error processing selinux-policy-default (--configure): |
| 01:01.40 | Taraxacum | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.44 | streuner | serialkiller: install it then |
| 01:01.58 | TheLittleWitch | I have installed apache2 / php4 / mysql4! and phpinfo say i have mysql323. what has happen ? |
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| 01:02.23 | streuner | Taraxacum: sounds like a bug |
| 01:02.27 | milestone | TheLittleWitch, something awkward ;) |
| 01:02.29 | Unhappy | valdyn yes, i made /etc/exim4/passwd ( converted shadow file ) , then i unhashed lines with configuration of reading /etc/exim4/passwd |
| 01:02.38 | Taraxacum | i can't reconfigure either |
| 01:02.44 | Unhappy | valdyn its gives me that password is bad, wich aint bad |
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| 01:02.50 | milestone | Unhappy, and you configured your local domain correct? |
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| 01:03.35 | Unhappy | milestone you mean did i entered correct name, i think yes |
| 01:03.40 | milestone | so if utmp is screwed up the only thing that works is really a reboot? |
| 01:03.42 | streuner | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:03.46 | serialkiller | streuner: humm now its seg faulting |
| 01:03.48 | serialkiller | lol |
| 01:03.51 | valdyn | Unhappy: i dont understand your problem properly, but look that the host to auth is *not* just its dns name, but the result of a reverse lookup on its IP |
| 01:03.58 | milestone | Unhappy, no you have to configure the domain and users for it of course |
| 01:04.10 | T-mac | question: when i installed debian a while ago i set up my mouse as a ps2. (it's really a trackpoint on a laptop). now when i startx i need a keyboard plugged into my ps2 port or my keyboard and mouse won't work in the mindows manager. it's really annoying. can anyone help? |
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| 01:04.28 | Unhappy | milestone can you extend abit your tip |
| 01:04.41 | Unhappy | milestone where i should configure it ? |
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| 01:05.14 | dabreegster | I got a bit lost with the conversation about making a 3PC LAN there. If I understood correctly, connecting a cable modem to a router, with the router having 3 ethernet connections to 3 PCs is the best, cheapest option? Would I have to run special IP sharing software on one box? |
| 01:06.00 | einsteinmg | has anyone a recommandation which smartcards to bye for everyday linux use (hd encryption, mozilla, login, ...) |
| 01:06.08 | Taraxacum | would be nice with an explaining too |
| 01:06.12 | milestone | Unhappy, http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/FAQ_4.html |
| 01:06.13 | einsteinmg | s/which/for/ |
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| 01:06.24 | xenoist | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.26 | akusarujin | is there a way to find what app is running on a specific port? |
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| 01:06.36 | dvs | akusarujin: lsof |
| 01:06.36 | akusarujin | i tried grepping through netstat to no avail |
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| 01:06.48 | milestone | akusarujin, netstat -tulpen |
| 01:06.51 | Unhappy | milestone thank you |
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| 01:07.11 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 01:07.12 | valdyn | dabreegster: the "special network sharing software" is called linux.. |
| 01:07.29 | dabreegster | valdyn: Sorry, I got a bit confused back there somewhere. |
| 01:07.49 | Unhappy | valdyn my problem that when im trying to send mail , i get box where i enter password, im giving correct one, but box apperas again |
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| 01:08.04 | karsten | Is there a way to list installed packages by size? |
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| 01:08.14 | NP_complete | I have quake2 v3.20 installed, but i have a strange problem: I can't see oponents player models! i can see his weapons |
| 01:08.19 | Marble2 | can someone help me? The timing is off in totem-xine on any file I play. The audio and video are out of synch |
| 01:08.28 | NP_complete | In quake 2 i can't see oponents player model |
| 01:08.30 | dabreegster | valdyn: A router with 3 ethernet connections going to 3 PCs seems to work, but all I have to do is tell each PC software-wise to talk to the Net through the network card? That doesn't seem right somehow. |
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| 01:08.43 | WhiteRabbit | NP_complete, stop using skin hacks! |
| 01:08.49 | karsten | dabreegster: You've got it. |
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| 01:09.04 | dabreegster | karsten: what, the solution or the problem? |
| 01:09.08 | NP_complete | WhiteRabbit i don't use skinhacks |
| 01:09.25 | jasz | how do i remove packages that are not being used? (say, dependencies of packages that are no longe installed) |
| 01:09.26 | karsten | dabreegster: your PCs just need to know that the router is their default GW. The router itself generally supports DHCP IP configuration. |
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| 01:09.32 | Taraxacum | holy crap lsof listed ALOT |
| 01:09.34 | karsten | jasz: deborphan |
| 01:09.48 | karsten | Taraxacum: it does that. 'grep' is your friend. |
| 01:09.50 | dabreegster | karsten: alright. Seems simple. |
| 01:09.55 | Taraxacum | cool |
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| 01:10.06 | dabreegster | And cheap, too, I hope. |
| 01:10.06 | jasz | !tell me about deborphan |
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| 01:10.53 | NP_complete | Does anybody had the same trouble: In quake2 multiplayer I can't se my oponent player model |
| 01:11.02 | karsten | !tell NP_complete about repeat |
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| 01:11.12 | Taraxacum | i don't even know how to install my drivers hehe |
| 01:11.23 | karsten | Taraxacum: man modprobe |
| 01:11.26 | NP_complete | excuse me |
| 01:11.33 | dabreegster | NP_complete: somebody already told you to turn off skin hacks |
| 01:11.41 | dvs | Taraxacum: Install drivers for what? |
| 01:11.50 | NP_complete | I did not turned it on |
| 01:11.54 | Taraxacum | my gainward 5200 card |
| 01:12.05 | dvs | Taraxacum: nvidia chip? |
| 01:12.10 | NP_complete | What do you mean? dabreegster |
| 01:12.18 | Taraxacum | how do i know? |
| 01:12.19 | valdyn | NP_complete: you opponent is using a skinhack |
| 01:12.43 | test813274928347 | hello people - im having some problems getting at (the task scheduler) to run - i can only run it using root but not as a regular user... yes i did RTFM and check the at.allow and at.deny files but it still dont work :( anyone able to help me plz? |
| 01:12.52 | test813274928347 | im running debian "testing" |
| 01:13.03 | dvs | Taraxacum: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:13.09 | karsten | test813274928347: What command are you using? What error message appears? |
| 01:13.22 | karsten | !tell test813274928347 about smart questions |
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| 01:13.30 | Taraxacum | it's nvidia allright |
| 01:13.47 | NP_complete | ok, another question, i can't enter to "player setup" just does not enter to that section (multiplayer) |
| 01:14.00 | dabreegster | So which machine would tell the cable modem to connect and stuff? Any? |
| 01:14.12 | test813274928347 | at doesnt work with any command line options at all using regular user, but as root it works fine. no error messages every appear - the command just wont execute when it is supposed to |
| 01:14.23 | karsten | dabreegster: Your modem should connect automatically. RTFM. |
| 01:14.36 | karsten | test813274928347: As user: 'atq' |
| 01:14.37 | Taraxacum | i would like to try quake too ;) |
| 01:14.44 | dabreegster | karsten: I dont have TFM yet. But thanks for the answer. |
| 01:14.47 | karsten | test813274928347: Will list your active 'at' jobs. |
| 01:15.06 | karsten | dabreegster: Many mfrs post their manuals online, HTML or PDF format. |
| 01:15.07 | test813274928347 | yes i did try that and it does show the jobs but it never executes them |
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| 01:15.15 | NP_complete | So do you mean there's nothing i can do to stop that? |
| 01:15.22 | test813274928347 | i read the manual but couldnt find anything that helped me |
| 01:15.43 | dabreegster | karsten: I'm still searching. I just didnt get how it's authenticated and stuff. I dont think hardware does that by itself. |
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| 01:15.53 | test813274928347 | i made sure my user is listed in /etc/at.allow but that didnt help either |
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| 01:16.30 | karsten | dabreegster: For most cable modems there's no auth. In this case, refer to your ISP's docs. |
| 01:16.40 | dabreegster | karsten: alright |
| 01:16.41 | karsten | dabreegster: ...you've just got a live wire to the house. |
| 01:16.47 | test813274928347 | i tried scheduling tasks using webmin as well to no sucess |
| 01:16.55 | dabreegster | karsten: ah... |
| 01:17.09 | Daeavelwyn | hi all |
| 01:17.12 | dabreegster | karsten: I'm used to dialup. One phone line lets you connect to pretty much anywhere. |
| 01:17.14 | karsten | test813274928347: echo "touch /tmp/foo" | at now + 1 minute |
| 01:17.24 | karsten | test813274928347: ...should create a file foo in /tmp. In about a minute. |
| 01:17.39 | karsten | test813274928347: Your task is to find out if the job is scheduled, if it runs, and if not, why. |
| 01:18.02 | karsten | test813274928347: ...if your load averate is sufficiently high, some scheduled tasks won't run, but that's just the 'batch' queue IIRC. |
| 01:18.08 | Daeavelwyn | I'm looking for a french debian chan, could you help me please? |
| 01:18.17 | Jarn | where is the sudouser file that lets me let accounts use sudo |
| 01:18.32 | thenuke | Jarn: /etc/sudoers |
| 01:18.38 | test813274928347 | yes thats the thing - all tasks run sucessfully as root but never as regular user - i think its a permission problem |
| 01:18.39 | dabreegster | Jarn: /etc/sudoers. edit with visudo as root. |
| 01:18.44 | NP_complete | About QUAKE2, There's something wrong about your answer, because whe i start a local game, i got the same trouble, and i don't use skinhacks!!! |
| 01:18.46 | karsten | dabreegster: Right. But w/ phone, you're using POTS to connect to a modem pool and request and IP. The wire *isn't* live to your house, it's live to the (remote) modem. |
| 01:18.52 | dabreegster | !tell Daeavelwyn about french |
| 01:18.56 | thenuke | dabreegster: what is visudo? |
| 01:19.07 | test813274928347 | btw the foo file wasnt created |
| 01:19.14 | dabreegster | karsten: I get it now. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the new concepts |
| 01:19.15 | karsten | thenuke: man visudo |
| 01:19.20 | fusQuanto | what is that program called to configure samba via www |
| 01:19.31 | karsten | dabreegster: Works better if you use shrinkwrap. |
| 01:19.32 | dabreegster | thenuke: command that'll let you edit the sudo file properly with locks and everything |
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| 01:19.47 | thenuke | karsten: dont have man pages on this box ;) but found explanation from google afterall |
| 01:19.49 | Daeavelwyn | thanks dabreegster ;-) |
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| 01:19.52 | karsten | fusQuanto: Probably webmin. There's also IIRC swot. |
| 01:20.00 | karsten | thenuke: Install man pages. |
| 01:20.01 | fusQuanto | swat |
| 01:20.02 | fusQuanto | yes |
| 01:20.04 | fusQuanto | thx |
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| 01:20.09 | thenuke | karsten: nope |
| 01:20.20 | Jarn | thanks |
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| 01:20.23 | karsten | thenuke: Sounds like your problem. |
| 01:20.32 | Flimzy | fusQuanto: I call it 'huge security hole' |
| 01:20.33 | thenuke | it is. so dont bother blaming me |
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| 01:20.48 | mrhemlock | just as long as I don t have to read the manages |
| 01:20.49 | fusQuanto | Flimzy, its ok its just for my house |
| 01:20.50 | test813274928347 | karsten: funny thing is, it still displays the tasks when i run atq even though the tasks were supposed to have been executed ages ago |
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| 01:21.06 | karsten | thenuke: You're not going to get much pity from people if you can't/won't use manpages. They're available online. Read 'em there. |
| 01:21.14 | mne | did anyone try out apt-build ? I added all the "deb-src ..." lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list, but apt-build still cannot find source packages though i can even download them with apt-get source <package>. any help ? |
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| 01:21.25 | karsten | test813274928347: Chech your system/daemon logs for cron/at messages. |
| 01:21.34 | karsten | test813274928347: ...and ensure that atd is running. |
| 01:21.42 | test813274928347 | karsten: ok |
| 01:22.00 | mrhemlock | mne, did you do apt-get updte ? |
| 01:22.14 | test813274928347 | karsten: atd is running... going to check logs now |
| 01:22.16 | mne | mrcoyote, i did a apt-build update, yes .. |
| 01:22.25 | silsor | If I add a third-party package repository to sources.list and install packages from it, but later decide to downgrade to plain Debian and remove the third-party repository from sources.list, is there any way to tell apt-get to downgrade to only packages that are actually available? |
| 01:22.29 | dvs | mne: No, apt-get update |
| 01:22.45 | karsten | silsor: apt doesn't downgrade, it's not supported. |
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| 01:22.57 | T-mac | i need help; i'm using sapphire and it automatically brings up xdm and i can never get out of it. i tried "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" from the xterm but no work. what can i do? even when i'm in sapphire, if i hit ctrl+alt+backspace it exits sapphire then brings it up again. |
| 01:23.04 | karsten | silsor: You can attempt downgrading, and soemtimes it works, but you're generally going to have to do a lot of manual cleanup. |
| 01:23.09 | mne | dvhart, mrcoyote, i see :) just running |
| 01:23.18 | silsor | AFAICT there is no way to "attempt" downgrading |
| 01:23.31 | test813274928347 | karsten: nothing in logs |
| 01:23.38 | dvs | silsor: Synaptic will show you obosolete/local packages so you can single them out that way |
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| 01:23.53 | NP_complete | In Quake2, when i start a local game, i got the same trouble, and i don't use skinhacks. |
| 01:24.04 | pipeline | Xenguy: It's a synth language |
| 01:24.09 | pipeline | Xenguy: It's also a Qt binding for Ruby |
| 01:24.20 | mne | dvhart, mrcoyote, still the same. sudo apt-build source ethereal returns "No source versions available for ethereal" |
| 01:24.25 | pipeline | Xenguy: Or no, Korundum is the Qt binding. |
| 01:24.33 | Taraxacum | T-mac: try ctrl + alt + f1, to get the other login screen then login as root and killall gdm |
| 01:24.42 | Xenguy | pipeline: and apparently it is also -> "A minimal but configurable X11R6 window manager" |
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| 01:25.01 | Flimzy | NP_complete: This isn't #Quake2 |
| 01:25.30 | karsten | NP_complete: Suggest you go someplace appropriate before you're kicked. |
| 01:25.34 | NP_complete | ok, ok but i'm using debian |
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| 01:25.57 | NP_complete | maybe #linux? |
| 01:25.59 | Xenguy | jeez guys, we talk about all kinds of software here on #debian, don't we? |
| 01:26.39 | jjjaaman | does anyone have an idea of why vmware wont boot from my cdrom |
| 01:26.50 | risky | Btw, is there any channel where I could ask dumb questions about kerberos? |
| 01:26.53 | test813274928347 | karsten: does at store the jobs that are supposed to be executed in a specific folder? if yes, perhaps i should check its permissions |
| 01:26.59 | T-mac | Taraxacum, it says gdm: no process killed |
| 01:27.02 | jan_ | risky: #flood |
| 01:27.02 | jan_ | ;) |
| 01:27.07 | thingfish | #kerberos-dumb |
| 01:27.13 | NP_complete | thanks Xenguy |
| 01:27.18 | risky | :-p |
| 01:27.28 | karsten | test813274928347: /var/spool/cron/atjobs/ |
| 01:27.36 | risky | Really, I'm going crazy |
| 01:27.37 | Taraxacum | okay |
| 01:27.37 | Xenguy | NP_complete: just my opinion, but hey, everyone's got at least one ;-) |
| 01:27.40 | jjjaaman | how do i make an iso out of the cd in /dev/hdc |
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| 01:27.58 | karsten | jjjaaman: dd if=/dev/hdc of=iso-img |
| 01:28.04 | Taraxacum | T-mac: atleast you now know how to get out of the xwindows :) |
| 01:28.15 | T-mac | true :) |
| 01:28.27 | Taraxacum | you can also use whowatch to kill processes visually |
| 01:28.37 | Jarn | how do i exit out of visudo when im done editing the list? |
| 01:28.44 | T-mac | alright |
| 01:28.46 | karsten | Jarn: :wq |
| 01:28.47 | Xenguy | Jarn: ZZ |
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| 01:28.55 | karsten | Jarn: both work. |
| 01:28.56 | justin | !tell T-mac about nodm |
| 01:28.56 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 01:29.06 | Taraxacum | T-mac: just make sure you press T when you started that program to see a tree of the appz running |
| 01:29.20 | Taraxacum | so you know wich that belong where |
| 01:29.30 | T-mac | press T when i start whowatch? |
| 01:29.36 | Taraxacum | yes |
| 01:29.38 | T-mac | ok |
| 01:29.41 | Jarn | karsten: It is just typing in it. how do I make it so it stops typing? It's still in INSERT. |
| 01:30.00 | karsten | Jarn: <esc> |
| 01:30.00 | test813274928347 | karsten: user daemon has rwx access to it - thats fine i think!? |
| 01:30.07 | karsten | Jarn: Run vimtutor after this. Learn vim. |
| 01:30.23 | Taraxacum | i am not that skilled but i use it to kill my login manager since i can't type anything until i restart it |
| 01:30.25 | T-mac | i instead replaced gdm with xdm after killall and it worked |
| 01:30.25 | dvsdude | Hey not sure were to ask so I'll start here have motherboard onboard audio and the sound is not coming out of the normal green connector but the 1st pink one i'm running knoppix 3.7 via km400 chipset sound works fine other than the port its coming out how can I change thisto the normall any help apppriciated thanks |
| 01:30.26 | karsten | test813274928347: -rw------- 1 daemon daemon 14949 Apr 29 2003 a0001f010b72ea |
| 01:30.30 | karsten | test813274928347: -rw------- 1 karsten crontab 2001 Jan 23 11:49 karsten |
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| 01:30.45 | karsten | test813274928347: Um. Yeah, basically. |
| 01:30.52 | Taraxacum | T-mac: glad the info was useful :) |
| 01:31.03 | T-mac | thanks a lot taraxacum |
| 01:31.07 | karsten | test813274928347: drwx------ 2 daemon daemon 72 Mar 19 17:25 /var/spool/cron/atjobs drwx------ 2 daemon daemon 80 Mar 19 17:25 /var/spool/cron/atspool |
| 01:31.19 | test813274928347 | karsten: damn... maybe i shoudl report this problem to debian bugs |
| 01:31.23 | T-mac | (thx justin too) |
| 01:31.41 | Taraxacum | the killing xdm was just to be able to startx again if you like |
| 01:31.51 | Taraxacum | otherwise you would have some errors |
| 01:32.01 | karsten | test813274928347: Um. Trying to figure out what's going on. |
| 01:32.05 | T-mac | ok cool |
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| 01:32.14 | karsten | test813274928347: When you create a new 'at' job, 'atq' should show it. Does it? |
| 01:32.16 | TheLittleWitch | Should i see mysql when i do php -m and i have install php4-mysql ? |
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| 01:32.36 | test813274928347 | karsten: yes , it does |
| 01:32.42 | karsten | test813274928347: 'echo true | at + 5 minutes; atq |
| 01:32.47 | karsten | test813274928347: OK. |
| 01:32.48 | test813274928347 | karsten: even after the job was supposed to have been executed |
| 01:33.00 | karsten | test813274928347: So the job's still in the queue? |
| 01:33.10 | test813274928347 | karsten: yep |
| 01:33.26 | test813274928347 | karsten: it just never ran |
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| 01:33.57 | test813274928347 | karsten: since it all works fine as root, its mainly to do with permissions i think |
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| 01:35.13 | sdogi | !hdparm |
| 01:35.13 | dpkg | somebody said hdparm was the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 01:35.16 | test813274928347 | karsten: though the strange thing is, at is supposed to echo an error if i didnt have permission - well thats what the manual says anyway |
| 01:35.31 | karsten | test813274928347: Yeah, trying to sort this out.... |
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| 01:35.49 | test813274928347 | karsten: thanks!! :) |
| 01:36.02 | karsten | test813274928347: What's your load average? 'uptime' |
| 01:36.30 | test813274928347 | karsten: very low - average cpu usage is 5% |
| 01:36.34 | aFlag | does anyone know what package has the haskell POpen? |
| 01:36.42 | test813274928347 | karsten: dont think thats the issue since it does work with root no matter what |
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| 01:36.50 | karsten | test813274928347: as root: /etc/init.d/atd stop |
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| 01:37.01 | WiFiTux | I think the gkrellm duck plugin is b0rken. |
| 01:37.01 | karsten | test813274928347: That should *stop* the daemon. If it doesn't say anything, it's not running. |
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| 01:37.16 | WiFiTux | !nickometer test813274928347 |
| 01:37.16 | dpkg | 'test813274928347' is 94.550% lame, wifitux |
| 01:37.19 | karsten | WiFiTux: Sick duck! |
| 01:37.24 | baikonur | hi |
| 01:37.26 | WiFiTux | karsten, ! :| |
| 01:37.29 | justin | load average isn't the same as cpu usage |
| 01:37.52 | WiFiTux | justin, go again. |
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| 01:37.56 | karsten | test813274928347: And what justin said. Your loadaverage can be high even w/ low CPU usage, though that's generally rare. |
| 01:38.04 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 01:38.31 | justin | if your computer is doing lots of IO bound stuff (say, busy postgres server) that is easy |
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| 01:38.39 | justin | mine has a load of 5 or so but the cpus are mostly idle |
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| 01:38.59 | karsten | justin: Also hung network or other IO processes. NFS and Samba can get you there fast. |
| 01:39.01 | test813274928347 | karsten: the daemon was running. oh - i thought loadaverage was cpu usage!? anyway i think at shouldnt be affect by it since the manual says if u want to run a process only when load level permits then use 'batch' and not 'at' |
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| 01:39.19 | justin | yep, batch is the one that checks load average, not at |
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| 01:39.35 | test813274928347 | and it runs fine as root |
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| 01:39.41 | bcl | I need a hand from an IP guru :) |
| 01:39.42 | karsten | test813274928347: Yeah. I think loadavg is a red herring. load average == the average length of the CPU run queue. It's a measure of runnable processes. |
| 01:39.54 | karsten | test813274928347: Point WRT root... |
| 01:40.03 | test813274928347 | karsten: oh |
| 01:40.04 | karsten | test813274928347: Is this a new system? |
| 01:40.04 | td | can anybody help me isntall an unstable package? |
| 01:40.05 | WiFiTux | bcl, is it about iptables? #iptables |
| 01:40.19 | WiFiTux | td, ask |
| 01:40.19 | test813274928347 | karsten: the OS or the pc itself?? |
| 01:40.26 | test813274928347 | karsten: ive had both for years |
| 01:40.31 | bcl | WiFiTux, not exactly, its more about kernel IP routing. Maybe. |
| 01:40.31 | karsten | test813274928347: The install. |
| 01:40.39 | test813274928347 | karsten: well, not the os - i installed it 2 months ago |
| 01:40.40 | karsten | test813274928347: verify your /tmp permissions are 1777. |
| 01:40.42 | WiFiTux | bcl, ask |
| 01:40.48 | karsten | test813274928347: OK. Another likely red herring. |
| 01:40.54 | td | what do you mean ask? |
| 01:40.56 | test813274928347 | karsten: used the debian testing snapshot... ok ill check that out |
| 01:40.59 | Octalthorpe | ~ask |
| 01:41.00 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:41.11 | bcl | Here's the situation: authoritative DNS server on a DMZ with 192.168.x.x IP. Makes a request to external IP which is forwarded to itself. |
| 01:41.21 | karsten | test813274928347: You've checked /etc/at.deny | /etc/at.allow? |
| 01:41.42 | test813274928347 | karsten: yep |
| 01:41.45 | bcl | No response is ever sent, I can see the packet go out and come back in eth0, but the dns server dosn't reply. |
| 01:41.50 | karsten | test813274928347: Does /etc/at.allow _exist_? |
| 01:41.55 | td | ok, I am trying to install hurd to foll around with it, but, I keep getting things that say the package doe snot exist |
| 01:42.11 | bcl | Is there a kernel setting that dos the same thing as source spoof blocking in iptables? |
| 01:42.17 | test813274928347 | karsten: ive tried having the at.allow existing (and with my username in it) and without it |
| 01:42.24 | bcl | Because once the packet comes back it has the same source and dest address. |
| 01:42.25 | td | but apt-get says that hurd was reffered to by another package |
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| 01:42.26 | karsten | test813274928347: OK. |
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| 01:42.33 | WiFiTux | td : However the following packages replace it: |
| 01:42.33 | WiFiTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.40 | bcl | make sense? |
| 01:42.46 | td | no |
| 01:42.59 | karsten | test813274928347: IIRC if it exists, only listed users can use at, but you should be told this. Sec.... |
| 01:43.00 | WiFiTux | bcl, maybe #iptables |
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| 01:43.10 | aquarius | I don't think my machine is loading the modules in /etc/modules on boot. Can I see the output of /etc/init.d scripts that are run on boot anywhere, or does all the "Starting <whatever>...done" stuff just get printed to the screen? |
| 01:43.12 | WiFiTux | td, no what? |
| 01:43.14 | bcl | WiFiTux, nothing is turned on. |
| 01:43.18 | test813274928347 | karsten: i also tried to see how it reacts if i put my username in the disallow list - it told me that i have no permission to use at then... so i dont think those files are the issue |
| 01:43.19 | justin | bcl: /etc/network/options |
| 01:43.25 | td | I dont understand why I cnat install hurd |
| 01:43.27 | karsten | test813274928347: Right, I just checked that myself. |
| 01:43.42 | Octalthorpe | aquarius : dmesg |
| 01:43.43 | NP_complete | It seems ridiculus on Quake2 i can't enter Multiplayer -> player setup!! |
| 01:43.46 | bcl | justin, aah! spoofprotect! |
| 01:43.51 | Octalthorpe | aquarius : Also, they are written to /var/log/messages |
| 01:43.52 | aquarius | Octalthorpe: dmesg doesn't show them. |
| 01:43.52 | karsten | test813274928347: Are you sure your system clock is accurate? |
| 01:43.58 | test813274928347 | karsten: yep |
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| 01:44.06 | test813274928347 | karsten: like i said, it runs as root |
| 01:44.09 | WiFiTux | td, what does hurd does? Install Debian? |
| 01:44.15 | test813274928347 | karsten: all at jobs work fine when i run them as root |
| 01:44.17 | karsten | test813274928347: Damnit, stop saying that! |
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| 01:44.24 | karsten | test813274928347: It's ruining all my good ideas.... |
| 01:44.27 | test813274928347 | karsten: lol |
| 01:44.32 | test813274928347 | karsten: :P |
| 01:44.36 | td | no, isnt hurd an individual operating system that runs on top of linux? |
| 01:44.43 | karsten | test813274928347: ...um. What's root's locale? "su - 'date'" |
| 01:44.47 | td | or at the least the one on debian packages I THINK |
| 01:44.49 | Octalthorpe | td: No, hurd is an individual operating system that runs on top of mach. |
| 01:44.53 | td | cause I really have no clue |
| 01:44.56 | K-sPecial | td last i checked hurd was the osf's os |
| 01:45.02 | aquarius | Octalthorpe: dmesg seems to have any output from the commands that get run, but that's not the same thing. I can't tell if /etc/init.d/modutils is even running; I want tosee whether it is printing out "Loading modules..." |
| 01:45.05 | WiFiTux | td, crosshurd? |
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| 01:45.08 | test813274928347 | karsten: ? |
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| 01:45.21 | karsten | test813274928347: Is root's TZ the same as yours? |
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| 01:45.24 | K-sPecial | the GNU's OS even |
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| 01:45.26 | test813274928347 | karsten: that command doesnt work, but i know that the locales are the same |
| 01:45.26 | risky | K-sPecial: osf's? |
| 01:45.30 | Octalthorpe | aquarius : Then just reboot and watch? |
| 01:45.34 | karsten | test813274928347: One thought is that your time and the system time are out of sync.... |
| 01:45.35 | test813274928347 | karsten: yep |
| 01:45.35 | K-sPecial | risky: i corrected myself :) |
| 01:45.42 | cntstrk | Good evening. I've just installed Testing on this box. I've installed 2.6.8 kernel, and am running into some problems compiling a driver for a video card... the Makefile looks for /lib/modules/(uname -r)/build ... i've discovered that there is no "build" in /lib/modules/2.6.8-686/ ... can anyone tell me why? it's debian packaged kernel... |
| 01:45.42 | risky | K-sPecial: ;-) |
| 01:45.48 | test813274928347 | karsten: hold on lemme check that.... |
| 01:45.49 | aquarius | Octalthorpe: I've now tried that three times and am sick of it all scrolling past too fast. :) |
| 01:45.49 | paddy | hi |
| 01:45.57 | td | whats crosshurd? |
| 01:46.06 | karsten | aquarius: man less |
| 01:46.08 | WiFiTux | td, apt-cache show crosshurd |
| 01:46.15 | karsten | aquarius: dmesg |
| 01:46.16 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : apt-get install kernel-headers-<something> |
| 01:46.27 | Octalthorpe | aquarius : Use scroll lock? |
| 01:46.29 | karsten | aquarius: ...the latter is what you want IIRC. |
| 01:46.33 | cntstrk | Octalthorpe, i believe that i've done this, but i'll verify. |
| 01:46.38 | Octalthorpe | aquarius : Turn off booting into X and use alt-pageup? |
| 01:46.43 | test813274928347 | karsten: the clocks are the same :( |
| 01:46.54 | bcl | justin, bingo! Thanks much, that did the trick. |
| 01:46.54 | aquarius | karsten: it's not in dmesg. dmesg doesn't contain the "Starting <foo>...done" output that gets printed on boot. And "less" is no good because I don't have a shell at that point., surely? |
| 01:46.56 | test813274928347 | karsten: damnit i cant believe this |
| 01:47.00 | cntstrk | Octalthorpe, confirmed. i do have the headers. |
| 01:47.07 | aFlag | i have gdb package installed but when i try to do things like |
| 01:47.07 | aquarius | Octalthorpe: hm, scrolling up. Didn't think of that. :) |
| 01:47.10 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : Hmmm. |
| 01:47.15 | aFlag | l |
| 01:47.15 | cntstrk | exactly |
| 01:47.19 | aFlag | i get some errors |
| 01:47.29 | WiFiTux | bcl, so go again, what was happening? |
| 01:47.32 | Unhappy | Ive found serious bug in debian Exim4.4 package, where i should report it ? |
| 01:47.34 | karsten | test813274928347: *really* dumb question: can you create a test user and see if *that* user can use 'at'? |
| 01:47.37 | aFlag | (gdb) l |
| 01:47.38 | aFlag | 1 ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S |
| 01:47.41 | Flimzy | Where can I learn to set up suspend-to-disk functionality on a Dell laptop in Linux? |
| 01:47.45 | aFlag | does anyone know what can it be? |
| 01:47.48 | test813274928347 | karsten: ok ill do that |
| 01:47.52 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : Well, I build my own kernels, so I'm not sure what to tell you, except.. build your own kernel. |
| 01:47.53 | Taraxacum | is there a way to remove any left overs from a package or atleast see if there are any left after i used apt to remove it? |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | test813274928347: I'm also trying to figure out where atd logs. |
| 01:48.05 | Octalthorpe | Flimzy : Suspend to disk is easy. Look up swsusp (SoftWare Suspend) |
| 01:48.13 | K-sPecial | eflag I know dell has a tool out for creating the suspend partition, they might have some information along withi t |
| 01:48.16 | WiFiTux | Taraxacum, debfrost i think |
| 01:48.18 | justin | aquarius: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 01:48.18 | Octalthorpe | !tell Flimzy about swsusp |
| 01:48.45 | Taraxacum | what's that? |
| 01:48.46 | Unhappy | Durning configuration of Exim its ask to give local domains, and separate them by "," but should be ":" |
| 01:48.48 | bcl | justin, oops. spoke to soon (tried from the wrong xterm). No joy. |
| 01:48.50 | aquarius | hum! /etc/init.d/modutils exits immediately because /proc/ksyms doesn't exist... |
| 01:48.55 | WiFiTux | Taraxacum, apt-cache show debfrost |
| 01:48.56 | aquarius | justin: ooh, cheers. |
| 01:49.04 | cntstrk | Octalthorpe, do you have this "build" file/dir in /lib/modules/2.6xyz? |
| 01:49.05 | mne | Flimzy, you need to have a kernel with suspend to disk support. in the kernel Documentation/ directory theres some description on how to use suspend to disk. basically you just echo <sleepstate> > /proc/acpi/sleepsomething |
| 01:49.10 | Taraxacum | didn't find that package |
| 01:49.12 | Flimzy | Octalthorpe: thanks |
| 01:49.15 | test813274928347 | karsten: thanks for your time! i just created the user and i will see if it creates the foo file |
| 01:49.15 | cntstrk | if so, what is it, a file, or a dir? |
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| 01:49.22 | bcl | WiFiTux, when I do authoritative lookups they go to the external address and get forwarded to the box by the firewall. |
| 01:49.34 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : Yeah, it's a symlink to the source directory. |
| 01:49.44 | cntstrk | Ahhhhhh |
| 01:49.44 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : So maybe you need to install the source and symlink appropriately. |
| 01:49.45 | WiFiTux | Taraxacum, hhmm i don't remember then. |
| 01:49.48 | cntstrk | funny you should say that, |
| 01:49.52 | bcl | WiFiTux, which makes the source and dest IPs the same. For some reason no response is sent (eg. kernel rejecting it |
| 01:49.56 | test813274928347 | karsten: nope - dont work |
| 01:50.07 | Taraxacum | okay thanks anyways |
| 01:50.13 | cntstrk | because there was a "source" symlink pointing to a missing dir, looked like the maintainer's home dir and some other kernel stuff |
| 01:50.16 | bcl | WiFiTux, because it came in from outside with the source IP of the interface on it). |
| 01:50.20 | Octalthorpe | Heh. |
| 01:50.26 | cntstrk | so, build is just a symlink eh? oooh, i can fix that. |
| 01:50.40 | Octalthorpe | Yeah, I have source and build, and they both point (on my box) to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 |
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| 01:51.02 | karsten | test813274928347: OK, so it's an all-user thing.... |
| 01:51.08 | karsten | test813274928347: Sounds like perms. |
| 01:51.11 | WiFiTux | bcl, so what do you do? |
| 01:51.15 | cntstrk | Octalthorpe, yeah. already have source. fixed. lessee if this works. |
| 01:51.24 | test813274928347 | karsten: definitely |
| 01:51.28 | Octalthorpe | Man. |
| 01:51.30 | Octalthorpe | I hate KVMs. |
| 01:51.33 | WiFiTux | wasn't there a package called debfrost? |
| 01:51.35 | cntstrk | AHA. |
| 01:51.38 | Octalthorpe | Resetting my KVM switch kills mouse functionality. |
| 01:51.39 | bcl | WiFiTux, not sure what you mean. I'm currently trying to fix it :) |
| 01:51.40 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 01:51.47 | WiFiTux | Taraxacum, debfoster! |
| 01:51.57 | cntstrk | Huzzah. |
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| 01:52.06 | Octalthorpe | "psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization" |
| 01:52.11 | karsten | WiFiTux: debfoster |
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| 01:52.15 | King_Brad | hey |
| 01:52.25 | WiFiTux | karsten, yep, thanks. |
| 01:52.26 | King_Brad | how would i go about making a win98 bootdisk in linux? |
| 01:52.36 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : Find an image, dd it? |
| 01:52.38 | King_Brad | i have a win98SE bootdisk.exe image. |
| 01:52.53 | WiFiTux | King_Brad, bootdisk.com |
| 01:53.02 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : .exe != image |
| 01:53.03 | King_Brad | did that already wifi :) |
| 01:53.10 | King_Brad | huh? |
| 01:53.13 | karsten | test813274928347: When you create an at job, what's in /var/spool/cron/atjobs/ ? |
| 01:53.19 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : A .exe is an executable, not an image. |
| 01:53.25 | cntstrk | Octalthorpe thank you, sahib. That fixed my problem. did a make oldconfig to get my .config file, and shazam. i have working compile now. |
| 01:53.28 | King_Brad | well to windows its an image. |
| 01:53.30 | Flimzy | King_Brad: You generally wouldn't. |
| 01:53.31 | test813274928347 | karsten: files with long numbers |
| 01:53.41 | karsten | test813274928347: Look at one of those. |
| 01:53.42 | King_Brad | so i need a *.img file? |
| 01:53.45 | test813274928347 | karsten: ok |
| 01:53.49 | WiFiTux | looks like |
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| 01:53.57 | King_Brad | dd if=root.bin of=/dev/fd0 <--- then do something like that |
| 01:54.01 | Octalthorpe | cntstrk : You might be able to get your current config from /proc/config.gz .. I don't know if make oldconfig does that or not. |
| 01:54.05 | King_Brad | where root.bin is the *.img filename? |
| 01:54.05 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : Ja. |
| 01:54.08 | karsten | test813274928347: I'll paste local example. |
| 01:54.22 | King_Brad | okay c00l |
| 01:54.23 | King_Brad | thx |
| 01:54.23 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : Of course, it might not be .img... It could be named .bin or something. |
| 01:54.29 | King_Brad | k |
| 01:54.34 | Octalthorpe | King_Brad : You need something that is a floppy disk image. |
| 01:54.48 | WiFiTux | King_Brad, again. bootdisk.com |
| 01:54.50 | test813274928347 | karsten: they look like shell scripts |
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| 01:55.44 | karsten | test813274928347: They are ;-) |
| 01:55.54 | karsten | test813274928347: http://channels.debian.net/paste/363 |
| 01:55.55 | Octalthorpe | Anybody have any idea on what I can try to fix my mouse? |
| 01:56.06 | karsten | Octalthorpe: Take it to the vet, ask to get it neutered. |
| 01:56.06 | Gandalf_vhcs | hello everyone, i just want an advise about the hard disk partitions (2 H.D.D) can i paste the partitions i've made and take your advise to #flood ??? |
| 01:56.30 | karsten | !tell Gandalf_vhcs about paster |
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| 01:56.44 | Octalthorpe | karsten : Ha ha. |
| 01:56.47 | test813274928347 | karsten: my one looks like that one |
| 01:57.01 | karsten | test813274928347: Hrm. |
| 01:57.46 | WiFiTux | Is this the Syntax? scp root@ip:/home/user/file . |
| 01:57.54 | Octalthorpe | WiFiTux : Yes. |
| 01:58.05 | WiFiTux | Octalthorpe, awesome |
| 01:58.23 | karsten | test813274928347: I'm stumped. |
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| 01:58.40 | Taraxacum | what did that program do again WiFiTux ? |
| 01:58.53 | WiFiTux | Taraxacum, apt-cache show debfoster |
| 01:58.58 | test813274928347 | karsten: sorry if i cause u a nervous breakdown :P |
| 01:59.04 | Tweak`TG-Owner | How do I delete a whole line oh text in nano? |
| 01:59.06 | baikonur | WiFiTux, withoutthe dot at the end |
| 01:59.18 | Tweak`TG-Owner | og |
| 01:59.20 | Tweak`TG-Owner | of |
| 01:59.24 | WiFiTux | baikonur, isn't that the . for the remote location? |
| 01:59.29 | karsten | test813274928347: Not possible. Requires a nervous system. |
| 01:59.35 | Gandalf_vhcs | ok guys the partition table is pasted to http://channels.debian.net/paste/364 can i know please if it's a wise partition table or not (i want to use raid 0) thank you |
| 01:59.42 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: ^W I think. Read across the bottom of the screen (IIRC) |
| 02:00.11 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ^W is where is Flimzy. |
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| 02:00.25 | SeeleyUSMC | I have an Atheros AR5212 802.11abg card internal to my Sony VAIO laptop, running Ubuntu Linux (Hoarty Preview) on the 2.6.10-4 kernel with ndsiwrapper ver. 0.12+1.0rc2-1 and I can't get a connection to the Internet. What do I need to do? |
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| 02:00.27 | test813274928347 | karsten: ah nevermind - ill let the package maintainer know |
| 02:00.30 | cntstrk | i've decided to fire the maintainer of the 2.6 kernel images. yes. he must be fired. |
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| 02:00.40 | baikonur | WiFiTux, no, the path is sufficient, although user@ip: would transfer the file into the home directory of "user", you should disable root logins and transfer as a user anyway |
| 02:00.44 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hehe been holding delete for 5 mins |
| 02:00.56 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: Ctrl-W |
| 02:00.57 | karsten | test813274928347: Shoot a message to the debian-user mailing list. Might also try reinstalling 'at' following a purge. |
| 02:01.10 | Tweak`TG-Owner | thats search flimzy |
| 02:01.14 | WiFiTux | baikonur, cool |
| 02:01.18 | test813274928347 | karsten: illdo that - thanks for all ur help :) |
| 02:01.23 | karsten | test813274928347: NP. |
| 02:01.35 | baikonur | WiFiTux, is it working? |
| 02:01.35 | karsten | test813274928347: I swear I've seen something like this before but damned if I can remember what it was. |
| 02:01.37 | test813274928347 | karsten: gtg anyways - lunch |
| 02:01.43 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: can you advise me plz it takes a second http://channels.debian.net/paste/364 |
| 02:01.45 | WiFiTux | baikonur, i'm looking for the file |
| 02:01.56 | test813274928347 | karsten: ok no problem :) |
| 02:02.00 | Octalthorpe | I hate it when a google search pulls up a message like "Just search google for the answer." |
| 02:02.12 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: Well then do what I said, and read the bottom of the screen. Or the man page. |
| 02:02.12 | Taraxacum | anyone know where i can find selinux-policy-default ? |
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| 02:02.23 | Taraxacum | after it's installed of course |
| 02:02.24 | test813274928347 | karsten: later |
| 02:02.28 | WiFiTux | baikonur, . required. |
| 02:02.37 | test813274928347 | karsten: thx once again for ur time |
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| 02:02.50 | Tweak`TG-Owner | flimzy what am I looking for ? cut text? cur pos justify? uncut txt read file write out? |
| 02:02.56 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: Google "linux partitioning" for all I've got to say. |
| 02:03.11 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: ok thanks for your time |
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| 02:03.50 | baikonur | WiFiTux, that makes no sense, imo |
| 02:03.50 | baloo | Karsten also has a really good opinion about PGP signatures, too. |
| 02:03.50 | dickli | what might cause my kde not to have a display section under peripherals? ie i can't change the resolution from kde |
| 02:03.52 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: try one of those |
| 02:03.52 | Flimzy | Tweak`TG-Owner: Which seems to make most sense? |
| 02:03.53 | WiFiTux | baikonur, well, it needs you to tell him where to put the fraking file. |
| 02:03.56 | karsten | baloo: Heh. |
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| 02:04.09 | risky | dickli: maybe something to do with xrandr |
| 02:04.10 | WiFiTux | !seen citral |
| 02:04.12 | dpkg | citral <~christoph@gtn9-d9bb9004.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 22m 32s ago, saying: 'redguy: and don't be so afraid of hdparm, just forget the dangerous options that's all. In my case (ibook) I'd get only 40% of my drive's capabilities without hdparm, because debian defaults are very safe... conservative in fact'. |
| 02:04.23 | moshii | I can't get my pipe/backsplash key to work on my laptop.. in X and console, it worked in my last install :/ |
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| 02:05.11 | baikonur | WiFiTux, but ":" already tells it, however, at least it works |
| 02:05.16 | dickli | what do you mean risky? |
| 02:05.28 | WiFiTux | baikonur, :/home/user/file is the file i'm fetching |
| 02:05.44 | baloo | What does it mean when you're on three IRC networks and you're still bored? |
| 02:05.44 | risky | dickli: that it may have something to do with xrandr not working for whatever reason |
| 02:06.00 | baikonur | WiFiTux, ah okay, you are fetching a file instead of transfering |
| 02:06.03 | dbindner | baloo: It means you need a good project to work on. |
| 02:06.25 | baloo | dbindner: I'm working on a Wikified version of The Jargon File, http://ursine.ca/Jargon |
| 02:06.32 | Octalthorpe | baloo : You should figure out how to fix my mouse. |
| 02:06.33 | baloo | I'm just kinda tired of working on it today. |
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| 02:06.39 | WiFiTux | baikonur, yep |
| 02:06.50 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Plug it in. |
| 02:07.10 | Octalthorpe | baloo : It's wireless. |
| 02:07.20 | baikonur | WiFiTux, then it's absolutely fine, but you don't need the dot if you send something, but that's obvious |
| 02:07.27 | dickli | how could i check and or fix that risky? |
| 02:07.34 | carrett | dpkg hates me. |
| 02:07.39 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Get one someone didn't cut the cord off of and plug it in? |
| 02:07.47 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.52 | carrett | i've tried waiting it out, but he still hates me. i want to know why and/or what i can do to make him not hate me anymore. |
| 02:07.53 | Octalthorpe | carrett : Not as much as I hate my ex-girlfriend. |
| 02:08.01 | WiFiTux | baikonur, how do I upload? |
| 02:08.06 | Octalthorpe | baloo: I don't think the mouse itself is the problem. |
| 02:08.07 | dbindner | baloo: Maybe you just need to socialize. IRC is is sort of like socializing in slow motion. Not that efficient really. |
| 02:08.08 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: i didn't find the answer i'm searching it's just in fact, swap should be primary or logical? |
| 02:08.12 | carrett | Octalthorpe: ex-girlfriends tend to be hateable. |
| 02:08.25 | Octalthorpe | carrett : Well, it's what they're there for. |
| 02:08.31 | risky | dickli: try with xrandr directly, maybe xrandr -q to see what video modes you can work with |
| 02:08.41 | baikonur | WiFiTux, scp [-r] file.ext user@host: |
| 02:08.50 | karsten | Gandalf_vhcs: Doesn't matter. |
| 02:08.54 | baloo | dbindner: Maybe. |
| 02:08.59 | carrett | Octalthorpe: for being hateable? you mean they exist solely to be objects of hatred? |
| 02:09.01 | Gandalf_vhcs | karsten: ok thanks again |
| 02:09.02 | dickli | cool, thanks |
| 02:09.03 | WiFiTux | baikonur, makes sense. |
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| 02:09.05 | risky | fusQuanto: you can add a system monitor to your panel |
| 02:09.18 | karsten | baloo: Which wiki engine is that? |
| 02:09.24 | baloo | karsten: MediaWiki |
| 02:09.29 | karsten | baloo: Cool. |
| 02:09.35 | baloo | karsten: Damn straight. |
| 02:09.48 | karsten | baloo: debianized? |
| 02:09.59 | baloo | karsten: No...MediaWiki's not that hard to install, anyway. |
| 02:10.14 | karsten | baloo: OK. Know someone who's got a project that would be great for it. |
| 02:10.28 | Octalthorpe | Is there any way to reset/restart/reinitialize/regenerate/resomethingelse the mouse, short of rebooting? |
| 02:10.30 | WiFiTux | !beer baikonur |
| 02:10.36 | karsten | baloo: Online primary/secondary education free textbooks. |
| 02:10.41 | baloo | karsten: You do? Well, I don't mind if y'all piggyback on mine. |
| 02:10.48 | baloo | !quote baloo |
| 02:10.51 | dpkg | BALOO: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
| 02:10.56 | Piggy | o_o |
| 02:11.04 | baloo | Hmm. |
| 02:11.07 | carrett | Octalthorpe: unplugging it and plugging it back in? |
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| 02:11.13 | carrett | Octalthorpe: are you using hotplug? |
| 02:11.18 | oXeY | hayo |
| 02:11.34 | baikonur | WiFiTux, oh i'm sorry, I don't drink beer, but thanks :-) |
| 02:11.44 | oXeY | quick question anyone know of a good app that can monitor apache and general system userage? and send it to your cell phone sms? |
| 02:11.48 | Octalthorpe | carrett carrett : Hotplug is installed, so assumably it's in use. |
| 02:11.58 | fusQuanto | anyone remember what cupsys's www interface port is? |
| 02:12.01 | baloo | Oh, wait, !quote isn't what I thought it was. |
| 02:12.09 | WiFiTux | !tequilame baikonur |
| 02:12.13 | Octalthorpe | fusQuanto : apt-get install nmap && nmap -T5 localhost |
| 02:12.18 | carrett | Octalthorpe: well, if it's running, just unplug and replug in the mouse....that's about all i can think of. |
| 02:12.22 | baikonur | WiFiTux, :-) |
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| 02:12.26 | MetaMorfozis | hi all |
| 02:12.59 | MetaMorfozis | help me please about sensoring my computer's temperatures |
| 02:13.24 | WiFiTux | MetaMorfozis, what pc? kernel and Debian version? |
| 02:13.24 | karsten | baloo: initial deployment is likely to be in-house, but that's a thought. I'm sort of educating him on various issues such as copyright and funding/financing. |
| 02:13.24 | Octalthorpe | Man. |
| 02:13.39 | MetaMorfozis | know anybody a cool systray-ed sensor program like mbm on windows? |
| 02:13.41 | fusQuanto | Octalthorpe, what does -T5 do |
| 02:13.41 | Octalthorpe | Why doesn't someone just make a really spectacularly great KVM switch that doesn't fsck shit up all the time? |
| 02:13.41 | MetaMorfozis | i have debian 3.1 |
| 02:13.42 | MetaMorfozis | sarge |
| 02:13.46 | MetaMorfozis | and KDE |
| 02:13.58 | kerframil | fusQuanto: 631, I think |
| 02:13.59 | Octalthorpe | fusQuanto : Tells nmap to scan really ("insanely") fast. |
| 02:14.07 | karsten | Octalthorpe: Um. Buy a decent one. |
| 02:14.10 | fusQuanto | oh |
| 02:14.13 | fusQuanto | thx kerframil |
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| 02:14.14 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
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| 02:14.17 | Octalthorpe | karsten : I did, as near as I can tell. |
| 02:14.19 | WiFiTux | MetaMorfozis, gkrellm is a nice thing... do acpi -t |
| 02:14.27 | kerframil | fusQuanto: at least, that's the standard port for IPP to my knowledge |
| 02:14.29 | karsten | Octalthorpe: The better ones aren't cheap. Avoid belkin and the two-way ones. |
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| 02:14.43 | karsten | Octalthorpe: What's it doing rong? |
| 02:14.48 | Octalthorpe | karsten : This one was something like $100-$150 |
| 02:14.52 | Flimzy | Octalthorpe: It's called "chair on wheels" + "Multiple cubicles" :P |
| 02:14.55 | Octalthorpe | karsten : When I reset it, the mouse ceases to function properly. |
| 02:15.14 | nonezero | hi, i´m try with hdparm -Y to set the hd in sleepmode but after few second he starts again |
| 02:15.17 | MetaMorfozis | hohoho |
| 02:15.19 | karsten | Octalthorpe: USB or PS/2? |
| 02:15.19 | MetaMorfozis | its nice |
| 02:15.25 | Luis42 | Alguien habla español en este canal? |
| 02:15.28 | karsten | Octalthorpe: ...and digital or mechanical KVM? |
| 02:15.32 | Octalthorpe | karsten : PS/2, but that's because I didn't want USB. Digital. |
| 02:15.32 | aardvark | !es |
| 02:15.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:15.47 | baloo | Taco Bell: We're Cheaper Than Food |
| 02:15.53 | Luis42 | gracisa |
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| 02:15.57 | Octalthorpe | baloo : I prefer taco supremes. |
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| 02:16.05 | baloo | Heh |
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| 02:16.30 | karsten | Octalthorpe: Hrm. |
| 02:16.33 | bob2 | it's so sunday |
| 02:16.39 | Rawplayer | again? |
| 02:16.39 | MetaMorfozis | WiFiTux: can iset it shut down my pc if it's temperature bigger than... 60c? |
| 02:16.42 | karsten | bob2: Isn't *even*. |
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| 02:16.57 | karsten | Octalthorpe: PS2 mice don't like being disconnected. |
| 02:17.04 | WiFiTux | MetaMorfozis, wtf? 60c is ok |
| 02:17.13 | Octalthorpe | karsten : I'm reasonably confident that the SVIEW04 does emulation. |
| 02:17.18 | karsten | Octalthorpe: ...good digital KVMs basically fake a connected mouse IIUC (and I probably don't). |
| 02:17.18 | baloo | There was a Taco Bell I went through when I was a security officer every morning at 5 in the morning after work. Mostly because it was the only thing open that wasn't E. coli In The Box or Hurl's Junior. And the guy running the drive-thru at that time, Brian, would say, "Welcome to Taco Bell, we're cheaper than food, take yer order when yer ready" |
| 02:17.24 | MetaMorfozis | 70 its all |
| 02:17.36 | Octalthorpe | But I don't think it's clever enough emulation, because the mouse wheel didn't work when I booted. :/ |
| 02:17.48 | WiFiTux | MetaMorfozis, if it's a stupid amd you might want this, else Intel will reboot if it overheats, what system is it? |
| 02:17.48 | MetaMorfozis | i want a program that shutdown my pc if it's temperature is too high... |
| 02:17.55 | karsten | baloo: Heh. |
| 02:17.58 | WiFiTux | MetaMorfozis, maybe lmsensors |
| 02:17.59 | Octalthorpe | baloo : I eat Taco Bell for lunch on a regular basis. |
| 02:17.59 | MetaMorfozis | i have amd.) |
| 02:18.06 | MetaMorfozis | lmsensors? |
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| 02:18.12 | Octalthorpe | It's tasty, cheap, and near to my office. |
| 02:18.16 | thingfish | MetaMorfozis: most modern cpus/motherboards do that anyway. |
| 02:18.17 | karsten | baloo: Fortunately, I live in Mexico Norte, where we've got the real deal. |
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| 02:18.37 | MetaMorfozis | my mother board cant do it:) |
| 02:18.57 | DarkDemi | could someone give me a bit of help when I try to install debian from the business card it pauses on "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'Linux ATA disk'" |
| 02:19.10 | baloo | karsten: You live in Hillsboro? *badumCRASH* |
| 02:19.16 | Octalthorpe | karsten : I don't know exactly what you mean by Mexico Norte, but I'm from South Texas and live in Central Texas, and still enjoy Taco Bell food. (Now, granted, I don't consider it by any stretch of the imagination to be "good" Mexican food, or even Mexican food, but it's still tasty) |
| 02:19.17 | karsten | baloo: Napa. |
| 02:19.38 | baloo | karsten: Oh, wow, a Californian with more than three working braincells. I thought they were all killed off. |
| 02:19.38 | thingfish | napa? wow. |
| 02:19.46 | karsten | Octalthorpe: I drove through Dodge City, KS, a few years back, and have reason to believe I was the only gringo in town. |
| 02:19.48 | thingfish | wine. |
| 02:19.55 | karsten | Octalthorpe: *great* burrito stand though. |
| 02:20.16 | Octalthorpe | karsten : I'm partial to Freebird's Burritos. Once again, under the heading of not "good" mexican, but damn if they aren't delicious. |
| 02:20.21 | clueless | I use windowmaker. I want some dockapps to start automatically when i log in but none cannot figure out how. I already put the commands('wmclockmon &') in .xinitrc but I still have to click on it to show time.... any ideas? |
| 02:20.24 | baloo | karsten: We've got plenty of good Mexican food here, too. But it's not cheap unless you get it from almost impossible to find mobile kitchens. |
| 02:20.25 | karsten | thingfish: Yes. It is, as a friend says, a lush countryside. |
| 02:20.36 | thingfish | karsten: serious envy. |
| 02:20.40 | clueless | s/none// |
| 02:20.45 | oXeY | quick question anyone know of a good app that can monitor apache and general system userage? and send it to your cell phone sms? |
| 02:20.47 | baloo | karsten: And by 9PM, the streets are totally devoid of life here. |
| 02:21.03 | karsten | baloo: We've got you beat by about four hours. |
| 02:21.05 | Octalthorpe | clueless : The way I do it is with .xsession. |
| 02:21.18 | Octalthorpe | oXeY : perl |
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| 02:21.25 | karsten | thingfish: Good biking too. I hit 51 MPH Wednesday, taking it easy. |
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| 02:21.29 | vonguard | hello |
| 02:21.41 | vonguard | how do i change my scroll-back buffer for all consoles? |
| 02:21.44 | oXeY | um yes but anything i dont have to program from scratch would be nice :) |
| 02:21.50 | risky | clueless: can't put em in the dock and tell them to start when wmaker does? there's an option for that if you r-click the dockapp launcher |
| 02:21.54 | oXeY | my programming skills are not that cute to do something so advanced |
| 02:22.06 | dabreegster | vonguard: you mean raise the number of screenfulls of text thats saved? |
| 02:22.07 | baloo | karsten: Heh, that's OK, I work in the next state and it still takes me less time to get to work than it does to go through a McDonalds drive-thru down there. |
| 02:22.15 | vonguard | dabreegster: exactly |
| 02:22.29 | karsten | clueless: right click. Select "launch when WindowMaker starts". |
| 02:22.29 | dabreegster | vonguard: I think it's an option in the kernel somewhere. That's all I know, sorry. |
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| 02:22.34 | p88 | how do I scroll back in debian? |
| 02:22.35 | Octalthorpe | Well, at least I have a motorcycle. |
| 02:22.41 | baloo | p88: What program? |
| 02:22.46 | dabreegster | vonguard: I know loads about configuring the console, but it's all above the kernel level. |
| 02:22.47 | vonguard | shift pgup or pgdwn |
| 02:22.49 | Octalthorpe | p88 : Shift-PageUp if you're at a VT and haven't left since stuff got shown. |
| 02:22.49 | p88 | the console |
| 02:22.49 | karsten | clueless: Alternatively, configure the session as you want it, and do a "Save Session" (F12 menu) |
| 02:22.53 | karsten | p88: In what? |
| 02:23.03 | karsten | p88: Um. <ctrl><Page Up> Maybe. |
| 02:23.05 | vonguard | poop |
| 02:23.06 | baloo | p88: Shift Page-Up, Shift Page-down |
| 02:23.10 | vonguard | i hate moding my kernel |
| 02:23.11 | p88 | ok thanks |
| 02:23.13 | karsten | p88: What baloo said. |
| 02:23.20 | vonguard | i can't even remember what that nice visual kernel mod prog is called |
| 02:23.21 | baloo | p88: But only works if you aren't switching vt's constantly. |
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| 02:23.32 | dabreegster | vonguard: make-kpkg? no... |
| 02:23.36 | tdfc | where can I find a file that's in a package without installing it ? |
| 02:23.40 | MetaMorfozis | so don't know anybody a program that shutdown my computer if it overheated? |
| 02:23.46 | dabreegster | tdfc: apt-file |
| 02:23.48 | karsten | thingfish: There's hills in MO, but it's called "wind". |
| 02:23.49 | Octalthorpe | tdfc: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <file> |
| 02:23.51 | baloo | tdfc: apt-file search <filename> |
| 02:24.00 | thingfish | karsten: hehe |
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| 02:24.03 | karsten | MetaMorfozis: kernel-sensors can do that. |
| 02:24.08 | clueless | karsten: tried 'save session' thing and it seems rather unreliable..... |
| 02:24.11 | tdfc | it's not in my branch |
| 02:24.12 | Octalthorpe | MetaMorfozis : perl |
| 02:24.19 | WiFiTux | tdfc, download it and then use the file |
| 02:24.22 | tdfc | i'd like to get an init file for a package that's instable |
| 02:24.23 | thingfish | karsten: there are actually some serious hills in southern Missouri. |
| 02:24.24 | tdfc | ok |
| 02:24.39 | dabreegster | Octalthorpe: was that sarcasm? how can perl detect that? |
| 02:24.52 | MetaMorfozis | hmm |
| 02:24.53 | karsten | thingfish: Yeah, I did the stretch from Hannibal => Jefferson City => KC a few years back. Pretty. |
| 02:24.54 | Octalthorpe | dabreegster : Well, you could write a perl script that watches acpi -t or something, and then shutdown when/if appropriate. |
| 02:25.09 | thingfish | karsten: wow that sounds like quite a ride. |
| 02:25.11 | karsten | thingfish: Haven't been to the MO Ozarks, though I went through NE Arkansas. |
| 02:25.12 | dabreegster | Octalthorpe: I didnt even know the kernel could monitor that. cool. |
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| 02:25.15 | karsten | thingfish: Drive. |
| 02:25.23 | Octalthorpe | baloo : You forgot: 3) and is totally unable to fix Octalthorpe's mouse problem |
| 02:25.34 | thingfish | karsten: hehe of course |
| 02:25.39 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Hey, why are you blaming me? Not like you could fix it, either. |
| 02:25.45 | Octalthorpe | dabreegster : If the temperature sensors go through the ACPI bus, sure. |
| 02:25.53 | Octalthorpe | baloo : Yeah, but I ride a motorcycle. |
| 02:26.06 | Octalthorpe | dabreegster : If not, you'd have to get lmsensors working, which seems to me to be a bit of a pain. |
| 02:26.07 | karsten | thingfish: Part of an XC trip. CA => DC. 26 states, two provinces. 10 national parks. One ferry ride. |
| 02:26.09 | baloo | Octalthorpe: My bike doesn't need gas. |
| 02:26.15 | dabreegster | neat |
| 02:26.15 | Octalthorpe | baloo : My bike doesn't need pedaling. |
| 02:26.19 | thingfish | karsten: very nice. |
| 02:26.26 | karsten | baloo: If your bike doesn't need gas, why do you eat at TB? |
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| 02:26.33 | Octalthorpe | *rimshot* |
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| 02:26.39 | karsten | Octalthorpe: It does when it doesn't have gas ;-) |
| 02:26.46 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Yeah, that's nice, but I still get to use the special commuter lanes on most streets because I'm not burning gas. |
| 02:26.51 | Octalthorpe | karsten : Well, can't actually pedal it. |
| 02:26.52 | baloo | karsten: Because sometimes I drive. |
| 02:26.57 | karsten | baloo: Heh. |
| 02:27.03 | Octalthorpe | baloo : Eh, we don't have commuter lanes in this part of Texas. |
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| 02:27.11 | karsten | Octalthorpe: I've hit a mile-a-minute on mine.... |
| 02:27.19 | karsten | Octalthorpe: ...and had a 200 mile day. |
| 02:27.29 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Texas!? Only steers and queers come from Texas! And you ain't got no horns, so it sorta narrows it down a bit, don't it? |
| 02:27.30 | tdfc | WiFiTux - i'm not sure about using the file in a .deb package in what format is a debian package ? |
| 02:27.31 | baloo | 8:o) |
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| 02:27.37 | Octalthorpe | baloo : Are you calling me a steer? |
| 02:27.43 | Octalthorpe | tdfc : .deb |
| 02:27.54 | tdfc | Octalthorpe - what format, yo |
| 02:27.57 | Octalthorpe | tdfc: .deb |
| 02:28.07 | Octalthorpe | tdfc : (Try dpkg -x file.deb to extract it..) |
| 02:28.12 | tdfc | ok |
| 02:28.12 | risky | What's a steer? |
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| 02:28.17 | Octalthorpe | ~dict steer |
| 02:28.19 | baloo | risky: cattle |
| 02:28.20 | karsten | risky: cattle. |
| 02:28.36 | risky | Auumm |
| 02:28.39 | thingfish | good eatin' |
| 02:28.40 | bob2 | it's what we try to do to move thi conversation to something useful |
| 02:28.45 | Octalthorpe | thingfish : Good answer. |
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| 02:28.50 | fbred | is it possible to install mutt without a smtp and cron? |
| 02:28.52 | baloo | thingfish: Now I'm hungry for a steak. |
| 02:28.59 | staniel | im having a problem with samba printing... |
| 02:29.05 | Octalthorpe | I can't afford steak. |
| 02:29.13 | thingfish | no one can anymore |
| 02:29.15 | baloo | thingfish: But until I get my first paycheck on the 1st, I get to chose between having a steak tonight, and driving to work on Monday. |
| 02:29.17 | bob2 | jbrand: sure, but it's no use |
| 02:29.26 | bob2 | jbrand: why do you want to? |
| 02:29.28 | dabreegster | staniel: be specific. |
| 02:29.32 | dabreegster | !doesn't work |
| 02:29.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:29.34 | karsten | fbred: Yes. |
| 02:29.35 | staniel | it takes forever for the job to be passed from samba to CUPS |
| 02:29.47 | karsten | fbred: ...though apt-cache show mutt will give you deps. |
| 02:30.06 | Octalthorpe | fbred : If you're really sure you don't need those things, you could create some equivs. |
| 02:30.09 | Octalthorpe | That's what I'd do, anyhow. |
| 02:30.11 | staniel | dabreegster: do you not know when people do '...' they mean to continue their statemtn |
| 02:30.12 | karsten | fbred: Hrm. Seems it wants an MTA. |
| 02:30.19 | WiFiTux | !xorg |
| 02:30.19 | dpkg | methinks xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 02:30.21 | fusQuanto | has anyone here installed a printer using cups? i got the .ppd driver for my printer and put it in /usr/share/cups/model but it is not showing up in hte webinterface... i haev a samsung ml1710 |
| 02:30.29 | dabreegster | staniel: Sorry. |
| 02:30.36 | WiFiTux | yebian, you there? |
| 02:30.42 | Octalthorpe | staniel : Why bother to continue? If you type it all at once, people like dabreegster don't get angry. |
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| 02:30.48 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: i think you need to restart the daemon |
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| 02:30.56 | WiFiTux | someone knows of where are the xorg packages for debian? |
| 02:30.58 | staniel | Octalthorpe: kinda setting up for the question.. |
| 02:31.16 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, yah i did that too, /etc/init.d/cupsd start |
| 02:31.16 | dabreegster | Octalthorpe: I'm not angry, I thought it was just a general sort of rule here to not be trigger-happy with the enter key |
| 02:31.18 | Rawplayer | WiFiTux: /topic |
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| 02:31.24 | staniel | but anywhere, the log.smbd log goes craxy whenever I send something over samba to print |
| 02:31.30 | baloo | I know what'll alleviate this boredom: Raiding my roommate's pot stash. |
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| 02:31.36 | Octalthorpe | !tell WiFiTux about get xorg |
| 02:31.40 | thingfish | hehe baloo |
| 02:31.45 | fusQuanto | oh nm simonrvn |
| 02:31.51 | staniel | it prints like atleast 5000 lines, as if it has to process each character and report on it or something |
| 02:31.55 | simonrvn | baloo: yummay |
| 02:32.26 | thingfish | eww no, what a waste |
| 02:32.55 | WiFiTux | Octalthorpe, thanks, It's for a friend |
| 02:32.59 | baloo | thingfish: If you do it right, it's not. |
| 02:33.07 | thingfish | maybe |
| 02:33.14 | Octalthorpe | baloo : I'm Pro-Brownie, because it doesn't smell up the damn house. |
| 02:33.20 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, hrmm printer is not acknowlding anytihng. is usb printer still /dev/lp0? |
| 02:33.22 | thingfish | tsk |
| 02:33.22 | simonrvn | nah, cookies :) |
| 02:33.29 | WiFiTux | baloo, ashish? |
| 02:33.30 | thingfish | I'm old school. |
| 02:33.30 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: it may not be |
| 02:33.35 | Octalthorpe | simonrvn : Boil it down, and inject! |
| 02:33.38 | baloo | Octalthorpe: Smoke with the windows open. Not like your neighbors will care. Oh, wait, you're not in Oregon. |
| 02:33.42 | simonrvn | eew, no |
| 02:33.45 | Octalthorpe | baloo : Heh. |
| 02:33.50 | Octalthorpe | baloo : Actually, the neighbors don't care. |
| 02:33.56 | baloo | Octalthorpe: There you go |
| 02:34.11 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, how do i determine what device my usb pritner is/ |
| 02:34.12 | fusQuanto | ? |
| 02:34.29 | WiFiTux | fusQuanto, linuxprinting.org |
| 02:34.36 | WiFiTux | fusQuanto, or .com dunno |
| 02:34.37 | Octalthorpe | baloo: We live at the end of the block (dead end). Next door are three guys from our (ex-)dorm. Same for across the street, and for three houses up. |
| 02:34.49 | Octalthorpe | baloo : But it still smells up the damn house. |
| 02:34.49 | WiFiTux | baloo, send me some of those nice brownies. |
| 02:34.53 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: may be /dev/usblp0 or something of the sort |
| 02:34.58 | baloo | Heh, when I was living downtown, just about anybody on the Portland Streetcar could watch me smoke up after work on a regular basis. I had a second-floor window, and bought a corncob pipe originally for smoking while camping, but then to be less obvious than a foot-tall bong. |
| 02:35.21 | fusQuanto | simonrvn, oh i have a /dev/usb/lp0 lemme try |
| 02:35.33 | Rawplayer | whats special about smoking? |
| 02:35.45 | baloo | So you could see me walk from my kitchen into my studio, sit down at console and log in before lighting up. |
| 02:35.52 | baloo | Rawplayer: It's not the act, it's what you're smoking. |
| 02:36.08 | Rawplayer | whats special about what you are smoking? |
| 02:36.15 | Octalthorpe | Rawplayer : It's flavoured. |
| 02:36.31 | baloo | Rawplayer has apparently never smoked the green smoke. |
| 02:36.36 | simonrvn | Rawplayer: marijuana is medical, and for some folks spiritual. also has various beneficial neurological effects |
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| 02:36.46 | Rawplayer | ow talking about that |
| 02:36.56 | Octalthorpe | simonrvn : It gives me a bloody headache. |
| 02:37.07 | baloo | simonrvn: And for some, it simply enhances everyday life. |
| 02:37.11 | Rawplayer | its normal here :) |
| 02:37.19 | simonrvn | for some folks it doesn't go well with their sytem. it's like any plant |
| 02:37.25 | simonrvn | sys* |
| 02:37.31 | baloo | simonrvn: True. |
| 02:37.39 | baloo | I miss living downtown. |
| 02:37.41 | Octalthorpe | Rawplayer : It's normal on the street I live on, too... but it still gives me a headache and I can't stand the smell. :) |
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| 02:38.02 | simonrvn | i like the smell. esp. when burning. good stuff smells really nice |
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| 02:38.21 | Rawplayer | move over here then you can enjoy your entire life of that |
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| 02:38.54 | baloo | Living in downtown Portland, here's how you can keep entertained for a weekend for under $50: Bake a small batch of magic brownies, pack a lunch, put both in laptop bag. Smoke up until you can barely stand. Start wandering town. |
| 02:39.14 | Rawplayer | i live in the netherlands |
| 02:39.20 | thingfish | nice |
| 02:39.21 | Rawplayer | so guess what ;p |
| 02:39.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:39.29 | baloo | Rawplayer: Probably can do it in other hippie-friendly cities. |
| 02:40.05 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 02:40.34 | baloo | Portland's one of those places that if you get to the point where you say, "Oh, man, I'm too high to be walking around," you can pull out the laptop, have a seat, connect to a nearby free wifi point, put on some headphones, and listen to Barenaked Ladies song "Marijuanaville" while eating little fudge brownies that help you get stoned. |
| 02:40.56 | tdfc | anyone is aware of good resource on backporting debs ? |
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| 02:41.20 | dabreegster | baloo: Incense & Peppemints by Strawberry Alarm Clock might be fun to listen to at that point. |
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| 02:41.38 | baloo | No idea why it isn't totally legal, I mean, the cheif side-effect of smoking pot is the munchies. And what do you do when you have the munchies? You go down to the Pizza Schmizza and order a slice and a drink. |
| 02:41.56 | baloo | dabreegster: Yeah. |
| 02:42.04 | baloo | dabreegster: A Clone High episode makes that point. |
| 02:42.18 | tdfc | it's illegal because drug is bad ok ? |
| 02:42.31 | bob2 | tdfc: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:42.42 | bob2 | anything beyond that is just normal .deb-building skills |
| 02:42.46 | baloo | tdfc: Suuure. Go to a concert: Who's causing the problems, the stoners or the drunks? |
| 02:42.48 | tdfc | thanks |
| 02:42.53 | Spark_ | haha |
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| 02:42.57 | tdfc | baloo - the stoners |
| 02:43.02 | tdfc | especially when they smoke pot |
| 02:43.16 | Spark_ | i can see why stimulants are banned |
| 02:43.19 | Spark_ | but pot, i have no idea |
| 02:43.21 | Gandalf_vhcs | i'm back again with the same problem :'( please see this topic http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=303741 i explained everything there |
| 02:43.27 | Spark_ | its not powerful enough to get hte whole "smackhead" problem |
| 02:43.29 | RootsLINUX | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-sawachika --arch x86_64-linux --cross-compile kernel_image |
| 02:43.31 | RootsLINUX | unknown Debian architecture x86_64-linux |
| 02:43.37 | tdfc | Spark_ - stimulants are great pot is bad |
| 02:43.40 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: indeed |
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| 02:43.43 | tdfc | stimulants are legal drugs |
| 02:43.44 | baloo | Whatever. 8:o) Smoking pot is about the only thing that starts making a $6 hot dog at a concert sound good. |
| 02:43.51 | calin | pot is great |
| 02:43.51 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: there's no architecture called that |
| 02:43.52 | Spark_ | stimulants screw up your immune system and make some people go insane |
| 02:43.55 | tdfc | let's make a #drugs channel |
| 02:43.57 | baloo | Marijuana is good for the economy by proxy. 8:o) |
| 02:43.58 | calin | overdoseing on stimulants is not |
| 02:44.00 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: perhaps you mean amd64? |
| 02:44.00 | MeTa|Sleep | goody bye all. |
| 02:44.02 | Spark_ | tdfc: oh by stimulants i mean amphetemines, cocaine, mdma |
| 02:44.06 | tdfc | yes |
| 02:44.09 | tdfc | these are the best |
| 02:44.10 | RootsLINUX | bob2, but try typing "dpkg-architecture --help" |
| 02:44.15 | tdfc | have you ever tried them ? |
| 02:44.23 | RootsLINUX | and it lists the known Debian architectures, and x86_64 is one of them |
| 02:44.25 | Spark_ | i think ive been on all of those at once :) |
| 02:44.28 | calin | man, I wish I could apt-get marijuana |
| 02:44.35 | tdfc | all real linux users take strong stimulants |
| 02:44.41 | Spark_ | comedowns are bad, side effects are bad |
| 02:44.43 | sdogi | lol |
| 02:44.45 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: no it doesn't |
| 02:44.46 | RootsLINUX | oh you are right, amd64 works! |
| 02:44.50 | RootsLINUX | yay |
| 02:44.56 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: it says that's a "Known GNU System Type" |
| 02:44.59 | Spark_ | in the case of cocaine and meth, addiction is bad |
| 02:45.01 | bob2 | which is diferent |
| 02:45.14 | RootsLINUX | I see |
| 02:45.17 | baloo | Heh, I don't do drugs. I smoke pot, but stay away from everything else. |
| 02:45.17 | calin | I've done coke like, twice, no desire to do it again |
| 02:45.18 | Spark_ | amphetemine psychosis is bad :) |
| 02:45.21 | dabreegster | tdfc: meaning caffeine. |
| 02:45.21 | RootsLINUX | IOMMU support (GART_IOMMU) [N/y/?] |
| 02:45.28 | RootsLINUX | Ehh, what's this? and do I want it? |
| 02:45.34 | baloo | calin: Coke scares me. |
| 02:45.39 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: we're not going to walk you through every single option |
| 02:45.44 | calin | hmm, we shouldn't litter #debian with drug talk, how bout we all join #debian-drugs |
| 02:45.50 | baloo | RootsLINUX: RTFS |
| 02:45.54 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: if you don[t know how to buildd a kernel, use a prepackaged one |
| 02:45.59 | pipeline | lol im so special drugs pot lol |
| 02:46.10 | bob2 | pipeline: please? |
| 02:46.11 | RootsLINUX | I've built kernel's before, but I already setup my config file? |
| 02:46.15 | calin | baloo: why's coke scare you? |
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| 02:47.10 | RootsLINUX | Does --cross-compile flag make it negate looking at the .config file?? |
| 02:47.12 | fusQuanto | can someone help me out wiht my printer? i have a samsung ml1710, using cups web interface to configure it, ive gotten the .ppd file. succesffully selected it, and installed hte printer fine,b ut when i goto print testpage i get no response fromthe printer... |
| 02:47.23 | Gandalf_vhcs | please some help here, see this topic http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=303741 please i explained everything there |
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| 02:48.37 | majortool | gtk appears to be installed but autoconf can't link to it ... anyone have this issue? |
| 02:48.47 | majortool | sorry .. gtk2 .. gtk works fine |
| 02:48.48 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: you know the available config options varies per-architecture, right? |
| 02:48.59 | bob2 | majortool: install build-essential and libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 02:49.12 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: no one is going to go read a forum to find out your question |
| 02:49.18 | RootsLINUX | Yeah, but I ran kpkg-make menuconfig and I have AMD64/K8 processor set |
| 02:49.39 | RootsLINUX | I have all my menu options set already in .config, I don't want to have to input them manually again as the kernel compiles ;_; |
| 02:49.49 | Gandalf_vhcs | bob2: what can i do then my question has a lot of paste |
| 02:49.57 | bob2 | Gandalf_vhcs: ask on a mailing list |
| 02:50.02 | dvs | RootsLINUX: Then do "make oldconfig" |
| 02:50.03 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: er |
| 02:50.19 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: you need to run make ARCH=amd64 config |
| 02:50.21 | bob2 | or whatever |
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| 02:50.29 | RootsLINUX | Ok |
| 02:50.56 | bob2 | since |
| 02:50.59 | bob2 | 12:48:50 bob2 | RootsLINUX: you know the available config options varies per-architecture, right? |
| 02:51.25 | travisat | !ops dCc is a porn spammer |
| 02:51.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: dCc is a porn spammer |
| 02:51.40 | bob2 | thanks for that |
| 02:51.48 | bob2 | since there's no obvious person to tell |
| 02:51.52 | bob2 | you should tell everyone |
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| 02:52.15 | travisat | bob2: I erm just joined as wasn't looking |
| 02:52.32 | pureone | are all these spam bots coming from the same isp ? |
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| 02:53.28 | bob2 | travisat: fair enough |
| 02:53.31 | bob2 | pureone: no |
| 02:53.32 | lee___ | how do you see what packages you have installed? |
| 02:53.41 | bob2 | they mostly come from that one and the stupid turkish one |
| 02:53.45 | lee___ | preferabled so you can read half of them :) |
| 02:53.52 | bob2 | lee___: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 02:53.57 | lee___ | thanks bob2 |
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| 02:53.59 | majortool | bob2, that worked ... thanx man |
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| 02:56.09 | clueless | thanks for the wmaker help. now I found something really weird. When I reboot the system something is deleting /root and replacing with a null file..... (fortunately, my /root was symlink to somewhere else so files are still there...) any idea? |
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| 02:57.04 | Xenguy | clueless: "something is deleting /root" <-- huh? |
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| 02:57.14 | Xenguy | clueless: that sounds totally evil |
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| 02:57.49 | holycow | hey guys, what does it mean to 'enter failsafe mode' in debian? |
| 02:57.56 | clueless | Xenguy: yes. but it's not '/', so I am saved.... |
| 02:57.56 | lee___ | bob2: how would you search for something installed, like everything that contains pear |
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| 02:58.19 | vitriol | is the opera browser available via non-free? |
| 02:58.25 | RootsLINUX | "make ARCH=amd64 config" does not work. There's no such option in the makefile :( |
| 02:58.27 | vitriol | if it is i can't seem to find it :\ |
| 02:58.28 | Xenguy | clueless: but it begs the question, what the hell would be doing that |
| 02:58.33 | bob2 | vitriol: no |
| 02:58.34 | holycow | is that via choosing the recovery mode on boot? |
| 02:58.48 | lee___ | nevermind, i got it |
| 02:58.48 | Xenguy | clueless: do you have any reason to believe you're system is cracked? |
| 02:58.50 | vitriol | bob2: okiedok thanks |
| 02:58.51 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: why are you building a kernel at all? |
| 02:59.02 | travisat | vitriol: there is a deb on opera's website |
| 02:59.06 | bob2 | lee___: define it better |
| 02:59.19 | vitriol | oohh |
| 02:59.22 | bob2 | lee___: "installed packages that have a file with te word "pear" in it"? |
| 02:59.23 | clueless | Xenguy: not really... |
| 02:59.25 | vitriol | travisat: thanks i'll look for that |
| 02:59.25 | rob^ | Xenguy, clueless it probably has been cracked! |
| 02:59.32 | RootsLINUX | Because I want a kernel built for amd64, not i386 :P |
| 02:59.38 | lee___ | bob2: i got it, i didn't know how to use grep |
| 02:59.41 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: so... |
| 02:59.48 | lee___ | thanks |
| 02:59.50 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: install an amd64 precompiled kernel |
| 02:59.54 | RootsLINUX | They don't work |
| 02:59.58 | Xenguy | clueless: download 'chkrootkit' and 'rkhunter', install them and run them as root |
| 03:00.00 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: um |
| 03:00.01 | RootsLINUX | Or more precisely, they won't startx |
| 03:00.03 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: of course they do |
| 03:00.13 | bob2 | RootsLINUX: where's your bug report? |
| 03:00.14 | Overand | wtf |
| 03:00.23 | Overand | you're offering help to a guy named 'RootsLINUX' |
| 03:00.27 | RootsLINUX | I don't know how to submit one |
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| 03:00.36 | Xenguy | clueless: (only chkrootkit is apt-getable AFAIK) |
| 03:00.55 | Overand | Why not just help out "IHackedYourBox" |
| 03:00.59 | RootsLINUX | ok fine. I'll figure it out myself. There's no need to be condescending towards people |
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| 03:02.09 | lobezno | how can I killa a process completelyu? |
| 03:02.19 | notyoda | Anyone in here done virtual hosting with Apache2 on sarge? I'm a bit confused by the sites-enabled folder that was setup by Debian |
| 03:02.20 | karsten | lobezno: kill -9 <pid> |
| 03:02.27 | travisat | lobezno: or killall pid |
| 03:02.41 | Xenguy | lobezno: ps aux |grep <name> <-- to get the PID |
| 03:02.47 | jepel_tailweaver | lobezno, or killall -9 commandname |
| 03:03.50 | lobezno | thanks |
| 03:04.00 | lobezno | yes, I used top , thanks |
| 03:04.04 | lobezno | killall didnt work |
| 03:04.08 | lobezno | kill -9 yes |
| 03:04.23 | karsten | lobezno: In top you can specify '9' as the signal. Same as 'kill -9' |
| 03:04.45 | lobezno | dont understand |
| 03:04.46 | karsten | lobezno: So: 'k', enter PID, enter 9. |
| 03:04.50 | bob2 | notyoda: there's nothing in the documentation? |
| 03:04.50 | holycow | can anyone tell me what failsafe mode is used for? |
| 03:04.54 | karsten | lobezno: There's a kill menu in top. |
| 03:04.59 | karsten | holycow: In X? |
| 03:05.02 | lobezno | I see |
| 03:05.04 | lobezno | :) |
| 03:05.05 | lobezno | thanks |
| 03:05.14 | karsten | holycow: It's a minimal X session, just a terminal, no window manager. It's something of a legacy. |
| 03:05.20 | notyoda | bob2: On the official apache 2.0 docs, it doesn't mention the sites-enabled that I can see. They just add the virtual hosting directly to the httpd.conf, which my apache2 doesn't even use :( |
| 03:05.35 | notyoda | it uses apache2.conf for some reason. (Installed by apt-get) |
| 03:05.36 | holycow | karsten, well appearently you can log into gnome 'in failsafe mode' and appearently terminal has a failsafe mode as well, i've only heard of this first time today |
| 03:06.06 | bob2 | notyoda: no, of course, it's a Debian change |
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| 03:06.24 | holycow | karsten, ah, so why might one want to used it? i've never neededit before |
| 03:06.49 | mwilson | Apparently, no, "terminal" doesn't have a failsafe mode. |
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| 03:07.40 | holycow | mwilson, i'm completely confused by what failsafe could even mean on linux |
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| 03:08.07 | mwilson | Probably the same thing it means anywhere else. Why would there be something Linux-specific about it? |
| 03:08.22 | kryptech | how do you clear the apt chache? |
| 03:08.34 | holycow | apt-get clean i think |
| 03:08.46 | bob2 | kryptech: need to explain what you mean by "apt cache" |
| 03:08.50 | Xenguy | kryptech: or apt-cache autoclean (man apt-cache) |
| 03:09.02 | kryptech | you thanks |
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| 03:09.06 | kryptech | *yo thanks |
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| 03:09.35 | mwilson | Xenguy: Not apt-cache |
| 03:10.07 | karsten | holycow: I suspect what you're referring to is 'failsafe' as a login option under GDM. That's the same as a failsafe X session. |
| 03:10.07 | Xenguy | kryptech: sorry, that should be apt-get autoclean |
| 03:10.09 | Xenguy | mwilson: tx |
| 03:10.35 | karsten | holycow: If your X session won't start normally, it's helpful to have another way to start it that minimizes complexity and allows debug. |
| 03:10.45 | holycow | karsten, i'm just working through some boards online, and some fuck is having trouble with debian *staggers the imagination* |
| 03:10.59 | karsten | holycow: ?? |
| 03:11.05 | holycow | i'm trying to figure out wtf he is doing to not be able to install debian, it's amazing |
| 03:11.24 | karsten | holycow: At boot time, "failsafe" is sometimes used to refer to single-user mode. |
| 03:11.39 | karsten | holycow: Some people serve us far better as MSFT customers. |
| 03:12.00 | holycow | karsten, *nod* so i gather it refers only to gdm which i understand now. |
| 03:12.07 | holycow | karsten, hahaha thats what i'm thinking now actually |
| 03:12.40 | clueless | ok I ran chkrootkit and rkhunter and neither found nothing.... |
| 03:12.44 | Sero | Can anyone tell me how to change my sources from Testing to Unstable? My friend said something about changing my apt sources and dist-update or something. |
| 03:13.03 | shingouz | !unstable |
| 03:13.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 03:13.07 | rob^ | clueless, so they found something? |
| 03:13.18 | shingouz | Sero: in other words: don't |
| 03:13.44 | karsten | Sero: Generally: change 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'unstable' |
| 03:13.49 | clueless | rob^ : I meant either program found no infected file.... |
| 03:14.11 | clueless | I meant there was no infection.... |
| 03:14.12 | rob^ | clueless, cool.. just bad enlighs |
| 03:14.14 | karsten | Sero: ...then aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade. I'd recommend 'aptitude -dy dist-upgrade' myself, and scan for issues. |
| 03:14.17 | rob^ | pfft |
| 03:14.21 | rob^ | like i can talk |
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| 03:15.34 | Nilbus | is there anything wrong with the Unstable branch right now? |
| 03:16.07 | clueless | Nilbus: I think it's unstable.... |
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| 03:16.36 | travisat | telling people not to do something so avantly is just an open inventation. I like to sit back and watch as their computers break because they didn't think about the word unstable when changing their sources.lst |
| 03:17.17 | Nilbus | woah. apt-get is aptitude now? |
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| 03:17.33 | clueless | travisat: Yeah, it's a mistake I will never make again... (painful time consuming lesson...) |
| 03:17.41 | karsten | !tell Nilbus about aptitude |
| 03:17.52 | karsten | Nilbus: No. aptitude is largely a replacement for apt-get however. |
| 03:18.03 | karsten | Nilbus: ...not without its issues, but in balance an improvement. |
| 03:18.06 | Overand | how big can the S/390 debian users share be? |
| 03:18.14 | Nilbus | ok |
| 03:18.15 | Overand | Like... how many people/companies even own s/390s? |
| 03:18.35 | mwilson | karsten: You shouldn't tell anyone how to get to unstable who can't get there themselves. |
| 03:18.37 | karsten | Overand: IBM could probably tell you. |
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| 03:18.45 | Nilbus | aptitude is the debian standard now? |
| 03:18.47 | karsten | mwilson: Point. |
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| 03:18.55 | Overand | but they'd probably have to kill mne |
| 03:18.55 | mwilson | Nilbus: Not particularly. |
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| 03:18.59 | karsten | Nilbus: It's generally recommended. See bug#299009 however. |
| 03:19.19 | Overand | I mean i *love* the concept of running debian on a system like that. But... is it worth the lag in the dev cycle? |
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| 03:19.36 | mwilson | karsten: Think he even knows what the BTS is? |
| 03:20.01 | karsten | mwilson: One way to be sure. |
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| 03:20.17 | Overand | what's aptitude meant to 'replace? |
| 03:20.21 | Overand | as in 'should use' |
| 03:20.50 | karsten | Overand: Actually, s390 unstable should be pretty much current. The Vancouver proposal is to not delay the mainstream stable releases on account of SCCs. |
| 03:20.53 | Overand | or mroe specifically, what's been (at least vaguely) deprecated? |
| 03:20.56 | karsten | Overand: apt-get. |
| 03:21.00 | Overand | really? |
| 03:21.03 | Overand | interesting |
| 03:21.07 | Overand | Lemme hit that bug |
| 03:21.08 | karsten | Overand: ^^ |
| 03:21.09 | pipeline | Overand: dselect |
| 03:21.22 | baloo | pipeline: You're cruel. |
| 03:21.30 | pipeline | Overand: dselect kinda sucks, only a handful of crufty trolls pretend to have ever liked it. |
| 03:21.34 | karsten | !tell Overand about aptitude |
| 03:21.39 | pipeline | baloo: I wasn't suggesting he use it. He asked what's deprecated. |
| 03:21.40 | karsten | Overand: RTFF |
| 03:21.45 | baloo | pipeline: Oh |
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| 03:23.00 | Overand | I don't see anything in the FF about aptitude replacing apt-get |
| 03:23.16 | clueless | Am I the only one who thinks s/390 port was just a publicity stunt???? |
| 03:23.17 | shingouz | pipeline: you saying i am a crufty troll? :p |
| 03:23.29 | Overand | eh i used dselect briefly |
| 03:23.37 | pipeline | shingouz: Yes. Pick that dselect out of your beard, it's disgusting :P |
| 03:23.41 | Overand | i think most people used it once. |
| 03:24.08 | karsten | Overand: Joey Hess's mailing list post. |
| 03:24.45 | rob^ | it had its charms |
| 03:24.50 | clueless | actually dselect seems to be more forgiving than aptitude..... |
| 03:25.51 | karsten | rob^: Yesl |
| 03:25.55 | kryptech | I hate having to go through endless debian packages... |
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| 03:26.10 | mwilson | Dselect actually works correctly. Aptitude can't say that. |
| 03:26.12 | karsten | rob^: Particularly for those who like to spend a few quality hours of each day scrolling package lists. |
| 03:26.34 | rob^ | karsten, heh yeah |
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| 03:26.51 | Overand | hrm |
| 03:26.54 | Overand | karsten: that's a good post |
| 03:26.55 | Overand | thanks |
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| 03:27.14 | karsten | Overand: NP. |
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| 03:27.26 | Overand | !aptitude |
| 03:27.26 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
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| 03:27.56 | rob^ | karsten, I started using it when I moved from RH to Debian, it was much better then RPM hell |
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| 03:28.08 | Overand | there's a 9 reason one now |
| 03:28.11 | Overand | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html |
| 03:28.18 | Overand | maybe that should be linked? |
| 03:28.26 | karsten | rob^: Yep. I just had the fun of installing clamav under RH, Mandrake, and SuSE on Friday. |
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| 03:29.27 | karsten | rob^: ...find RPMs. Find that RH 9 doesn't have one. Maybe we'll punt with FC1. SuSE ditto. Install multiple deps until they resolve.... |
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| 03:29.33 | Overand | I'll wait on that commandline vs. gui consistency issue to be resolved before i move over to aptitude though |
| 03:29.35 | karsten | rob^: Fun and joy. |
| 03:29.35 | rob^ | heh |
| 03:30.12 | rob^ | karsten, I don't know how many hours I spent searching the net for RPMs |
| 03:30.21 | mwilson | Overand: Not to mention the inconsistency with every other tool. |
| 03:30.26 | karsten | Overand: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds |
| 03:30.41 | karsten | rob^: It's been markedly few since 1999 for me.... |
| 03:30.51 | pipeline | Overand: I have only used aptitude once or twice. Synaptic and the command line tools both seem much nicer |
| 03:30.59 | mwilson | Ew, synaptic |
| 03:31.10 | mwilson | X applications as root <shudder> |
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| 03:32.01 | rob^ | karsten, none since moving to Debian.. just a one liner |
| 03:32.21 | mwilson | Man, I didn't think they could actually make KDE any uglier. |
| 03:32.24 | kryptech | how do you remove an apt source? |
| 03:32.27 | clueless | !Eterm |
| 03:32.27 | dpkg | [eterm] at http://www.eterm.org/ or better than wterm or bloated as hell. A guide to customizing Eterm can be found at http://q3test.2y.net/~moyix/etweak.html (shameless plug). evil term |
| 03:32.37 | karsten | rob^: Quite. Debian packaging is very sweet, thanks to Policy. |
| 03:32.41 | chealer | kryptech: remove it from sources.list |
| 03:32.48 | chealer | or comment it |
| 03:32.51 | kryptech | what directory is that in? |
| 03:32.53 | pipeline | mwilson: I've been saying that since 1997. |
| 03:32.53 | karsten | mwilson: Sure they can. Open your eyes and look at it ;-) |
| 03:32.57 | shingouz | karsten: Hey! i need a stone hammer too! |
| 03:33.02 | mwilson | What do they have, five year olds deciding on how it's supposed to look? |
| 03:33.04 | chealer | kryptech: /etc/apt |
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| 03:34.15 | Overand | nice nick |
| 03:34.40 | Cyclohexane | can someone help me here? |
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| 03:35.13 | chealer | do we have to know chemicals? |
| 03:35.20 | Cyclohexane | lol |
| 03:35.21 | Cyclohexane | nope |
| 03:35.28 | Cyclohexane | its a linux question |
| 03:35.28 | chealer | organic chemistry was too hard for me |
| 03:35.34 | chealer | then ask it |
| 03:35.35 | shingouz | we get to play twenty questions? |
| 03:35.47 | Cyclohexane | i want to get steam on here |
| 03:35.53 | clueless | is there a prize involved? |
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| 03:36.31 | Overand | steam ala half-life etc? |
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| 03:36.54 | rob^ | noooo! |
| 03:37.01 | rob^ | haha |
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| 03:37.45 | chealer | karsten: don't feel so bad, some people still run windoze |
| 03:37.55 | mwilson | Gods, but that's ugly as sin. What do they call this new idiotic default theme? |
| 03:38.08 | rob^ | kde |
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| 03:39.09 | karsten | chealer: I mean I'd managed to lose track of an X session. |
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| 03:39.46 | clueless | how do I correct chrony? I have been running as permanently connected site but it's now almost minute too fast. |
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| 03:40.42 | kryptech | hey, I cant get printing working on this machine, it says it cant contact the cups server, how do I install it |
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| 03:41.18 | fusQuanto | can someone help me setup my printer with samba? samba works, hte printer works locally... but the two wotn work together :( |
| 03:41.34 | dvs | kryptech: apt-cache search cups |
| 03:41.45 | rob^ | wow.. gourmet take ages to load when you fill it with several thousand recipes |
| 03:42.28 | kryptech | hey, I did it |
| 03:42.29 | kryptech | thanks |
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| 03:46.47 | karsten | chealer: ...the kicker is I've been wondering why my memory seemed to be so tight... ;-) |
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| 03:47.53 | Ulysses | hey guys, is there some way to have apt reinstall a package without apt-get remove; apt-get install ??? |
| 03:48.10 | dvs | Ulysses: apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 03:48.25 | guestish_ | hey |
| 03:48.33 | guestish_ | whats up? |
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| 03:48.54 | Ulysses | dvs: awesome, thanks. |
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| 03:49.10 | dvs | Ulysses: no problemo |
| 03:49.13 | satHan | kubuntu mirrors and torrents :-) |
| 03:49.35 | guestish_ | hi |
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| 03:50.21 | gazzu | what is the program for listen radio on internet? |
| 03:50.40 | bob2 | anything |
| 03:50.43 | bob2 | mplayer works well |
| 03:50.49 | dvs | gazzu: It depends on the radio station |
| 03:51.09 | satHan | gazzu: zinf and xmms both work, i prefer rhythmbox |
| 03:51.36 | gazzu | dvs: thanks |
| 03:51.43 | rob^ | rhythbox is good, try it |
| 03:51.44 | chealer | karsten: hehe, I've had some questions about memory recently too |
| 03:51.47 | gazzu | satHan:thanks |
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| 03:52.05 | abydos | rhythmbox is okay, but it reminds me of itunes too much to be of much use |
| 03:52.15 | abydos | and itunes has like 1 plugin that's worth anything\ |
| 03:52.26 | abydos | the ogg playback plugin |
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| 03:52.50 | rob^ | yeah, looks like itunes, but isnt |
| 03:52.53 | risky | muine is nice too |
| 03:52.59 | abydos | if rhythmbox added audiocd burning capability and an alarm plugin it would be super great |
| 03:53.02 | satHan | gazzu: If you are looking for new music, you also could try iRate Radio |
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| 03:53.35 | abydos | and the usual old tunes playback plugins... or better yet an interface between xmms plugins and rhythmbox |
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| 03:53.44 | gazzu | thanks guy! I just want some music when I-m working :P |
| 03:53.50 | astronut | How do you kill a proccess if kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 03:54.09 | satHan | astronut: killall -9, or perhaps you need to be root to kill it. |
| 03:54.09 | bob2 | you don't |
| 03:54.09 | trogger | astronut: what are you trying to kill? |
| 03:54.15 | abydos | astronut: what process are we speaking about here |
| 03:54.18 | bob2 | satHan: no, that is the same thing |
| 03:54.20 | astronut | X...it's frozen, using 99.9% of CPU |
| 03:54.31 | astronut | satHan: yes, i did do it as root |
| 03:54.35 | satHan | astronut: try hitting ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:54.36 | abydos | I'd killall -9 X |
| 03:54.40 | abydos | or that |
| 03:54.45 | risky | ps says defunct? |
| 03:54.45 | astronut | satHan: too far gone |
| 03:54.58 | satHan | astronut: or if you're using kdm, maybe bash /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 03:55.03 | astronut | it's gdm |
| 03:55.06 | astronut | i already killed gdm |
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| 03:55.14 | abydos | that should have killed x |
| 03:55.21 | astronut | x won't die |
| 03:55.29 | abydos | but you should probably stop the init script for gdm |
| 03:55.31 | astronut | console is completly useluess |
| 03:55.33 | astronut | i'm on laptop |
| 03:55.36 | bob2 | slashdot is so utterly stupid |
| 03:55.39 | astronut | i did init scripts |
| 03:55.44 | stouset | bob2: This is new? |
| 03:55.45 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.47 | astronut | top |
| 03:56.06 | trogger | killall -9 XFree86 |
| 03:56.08 | risky | astronut: and ps? |
| 03:56.11 | stouset | astronaut: /etc/init.d/(g|x|k)dm restart |
| 03:56.16 | astronut | root 1726 1702 55 22:39 ? 00:09:19 [XFree86] |
| 03:56.24 | astronut | stouset: been there, done that |
| 03:56.25 | abydos | stouset: somehow I get the feeling he already did that |
| 03:56.29 | astronut | i normally just reboot |
| 03:56.31 | stouset | wtf...XFree86 is swapped out? =P |
| 03:56.34 | astronut | i've done a ton of kill -9's |
| 03:56.42 | astronut | swapped out? |
| 03:56.46 | astronut | as in to HD? |
| 03:56.48 | stouset | Yeah. |
| 03:56.54 | astronut | hmmphh |
| 03:56.55 | stouset | That's the brackets around it. |
| 03:56.59 | astronut | what's command to see avialable ram? |
| 03:57.03 | astronut | could that be what's killing it? |
| 03:57.03 | abydos | free |
| 03:57.15 | astronut | memic: 516236 249544 266692 0 26708 156792 |
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| 03:57.27 | abydos | x is typically a very high requirement program, comparatively |
| 03:57.38 | astronut | and swaped ram says 0 used, all free |
| 03:57.50 | stouset | Interesting. |
| 03:57.51 | abydos | astronut: try free -m instead |
| 03:58.11 | astronut | 260 free :-P |
| 03:58.28 | astronut | it locks up like this a lot |
| 03:58.28 | abydos | just to make it easier on the humans who can't translate bytes to megs on the fly |
| 03:58.30 | astronut | normally i jsut reboot |
| 03:58.36 | astronut | abydos: stargate fan? |
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| 03:58.44 | abydos | I had that happen before when I was using KDE |
| 03:58.45 | abydos | and yes |
| 03:58.46 | lee___ | heh, i have 35 free memory |
| 03:58.47 | astronut | i'd always thought it was a heat issue |
| 03:58.55 | astronut | but apparently not |
| 03:58.59 | astronut | i'd seen it lock up in bios |
| 03:59.03 | astronut | maybe that was my imagination |
| 03:59.04 | astronut | hmm |
| 03:59.08 | abydos | what desktop environment are you using? |
| 03:59.17 | astronut | abydos: flux |
| 03:59.27 | abydos | hrm, that shouldn't be causing anything then |
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| 03:59.34 | astronut | ya |
| 03:59.37 | astronut | it's X that's doing it |
| 03:59.43 | astronut | i wonder if i should switch to xor |
| 03:59.46 | astronut | xorg |
| 03:59.56 | abydos | in debian xorg is rather untested to switch to |
| 04:00.04 | travisat | that really wouldn't fix anything |
| 04:00.06 | abydos | trust me, you're better off atm with xf86 |
| 04:00.25 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.29 | satHan | abydos: I'm actually downloading Xorg right now and am gonna try and build it |
| 04:00.31 | astronut | see that 99.9? that's PU used |
| 04:00.33 | lee___ | i doupt its x, just stuff in memory, my x is not even running and i have 35 kb free |
| 04:00.34 | satHan | abydos: should i not bother? |
| 04:00.41 | astronut | i think it's got a problem :-P |
| 04:00.43 | astronut | xorg may not |
| 04:00.45 | astronut | meh |
| 04:00.48 | astronut | i dunno |
| 04:00.50 | satHan | astronut: you on nvidia hardware? |
| 04:00.57 | astronut | satHan: yes |
| 04:00.58 | abydos | satHan: that might be cool, but the debian packages (the unofficial ones) blow horrendously |
| 04:01.12 | satHan | astronut: aaaha! what driver are you running? |
| 04:01.14 | astronut | geforce 4 mx440 agp and geforce mx4000 pci |
| 04:01.17 | astronut | satHan: the latest |
| 04:01.29 | astronut | but lockups happen with 6111 and nv as well |
| 04:01.30 | astronut | hmm |
| 04:01.31 | astronut | maybe not nv |
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| 04:01.32 | astronut | not sure |
| 04:01.34 | satHan | astronut: OK, when you fix all this you probably want to get the agp patch (if you havent already) |
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| 04:01.46 | astronut | satHan: well, i can fix w/ sudo reboot |
| 04:01.50 | astronut | but trying to do more gracefully |
| 04:01.58 | satHan | astronut: and theres a bug with the nvidia driver, and hardware acceleration |
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| 04:02.03 | astronut | hmmm |
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| 04:02.07 | abydos | astronut: are you using ext2fs? |
| 04:02.15 | astronut | ext3 |
| 04:02.20 | abydos | astronut: if you aren't, there's no loss of grace from rebooting |
| 04:02.28 | mexcore | hey... any one have any sites on installing vmware in debian? |
| 04:02.28 | astronut | it's not the point |
| 04:02.35 | satHan | astronut: a complicated race condition involving the window manager or something, but it trashes the hardware |
| 04:02.36 | astronut | mexcore: i did it |
| 04:02.40 | astronut | just used standard installer |
| 04:02.45 | satHan | astronut: and leaves it maxed at 99% |
| 04:02.50 | astronut | satHan: oh really? |
| 04:02.54 | abydos | mexcore: I did it, don't try to use apt sources, they're missing the module |
| 04:02.55 | astronut | this sounds like the issue |
| 04:02.55 | mexcore | it says is cant find the "c header files" |
| 04:02.56 | satHan | astronut: and by trashed i mean confused, not literally hurting it |
| 04:03.01 | trogger | how do I tell xdm to use xfce4? |
| 04:03.05 | astronut | i did a reboot |
| 04:03.06 | abydos | mexcore: get your kernel source |
| 04:03.11 | mexcore | i have it |
| 04:03.14 | bob2 | trogger: run it from ~/.xsession |
| 04:03.18 | trogger | bob2: thanks. |
| 04:03.42 | mexcore | im actually running xandros |
| 04:03.43 | abydos | mexcore: point /usr/src/linux to it? |
| 04:04.11 | astronut | hmm |
| 04:04.14 | astronut | my ssh died |
| 04:04.18 | astronut | but the box is still sitting there |
| 04:04.22 | satHan | astronut: apparently the problem will definately go away if you shut off hardware acceleration |
| 04:04.31 | satHan | astronut: but at least for me thats not an option |
| 04:04.31 | astronut | ah there we go |
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| 04:04.38 | astronut | satHan: how to do so? |
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| 04:04.46 | satHan | ooo ooo! |
| 04:04.50 | satHan | ignore me, new drivers are out |
| 04:04.57 | satHan | 7167 for ia32 |
| 04:05.06 | astronut | ya |
| 04:05.06 | astronut | that's what i'm on |
| 04:05.12 | astronut | 7167 |
| 04:05.14 | astronut | i'm pretty sure |
| 04:05.17 | Sero | Can anyone give me some good unstable Debian mirrors? |
| 04:05.19 | satHan | wow an entire week behind, *smacks head* |
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| 04:05.37 | astronut | Sero: isn't the whole idea of a mirror that it's stable? |
| 04:05.41 | MobyTurbo | Sero: the official mirrors are the same |
| 04:06.02 | MobyTurbo | stouset: I assume he means sid |
| 04:06.10 | Sero | MobyTurbo, yeah. ^^ |
| 04:06.18 | rob^ | !tell sero about unstable |
| 04:06.19 | MobyTurbo | s/stouset/astronut |
| 04:06.19 | astronut | i was kidding |
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| 04:06.37 | astronut | MobyTurbo: it was a joke |
| 04:06.38 | astronut | hmm |
| 04:06.48 | MobyTurbo | astronut: SDNWOTN |
| 04:06.56 | astronut | SDN waht? |
| 04:07.16 | MobyTurbo | astronut: Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 04:07.22 | astronut | ah |
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| 04:07.35 | chealer | cool acronym |
| 04:07.46 | astronut | <quote src="simpsons">oh a sarcasm detector...now tha'ts a usefull invention</quote> |
| 04:07.48 | satHan | I was thinking Sit Down something something.. |
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| 04:08.31 | astronut | ya, i'm on 7167 |
| 04:08.59 | astronut | satHan: lemme try disabling hw accell |
| 04:09.01 | astronut | where is it? |
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| 04:09.10 | MobyTurbo | chealer: I saw it on Usenet some time back |
| 04:09.25 | MobyTurbo | chealer: back when most of Usenet was still useful |
| 04:09.26 | astronut | MobyTurbo: humor != sarcasm |
| 04:09.27 | satHan | astronut: theres an option, look in the README for it |
| 04:09.31 | astronut | k |
| 04:09.31 | astronut | hm |
| 04:09.42 | astronut | you sure that was fixed in 7167? |
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| 04:09.47 | chealer | I'm always being sarcastic on the net |
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| 04:11.33 | MobyTurbo | chealer: I am a bit too, it just is that I don't expect it to get accross unless I use emoticons constantly. :-) |
| 04:11.47 | Overand | Or lots of caps. |
| 04:12.06 | Overand | Because sarcasm is REALLY easy to read in text, ESPECIALLY if there's no punctuation. |
| 04:12.12 | chealer | !sarcasm |
| 04:12.13 | dpkg | sarcasm is probably when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
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| 04:12.39 | satHan | asterisks are good too. I caught myself trying to write them longhand the other day and felt dumb :-/ |
| 04:13.00 | MobyTurbo | chealer: good one. :-) |
| 04:13.23 | astronut | hmm..there are no good xorg packages? |
| 04:13.25 | chealer | MobyTurbo: it's not mine. I've been coined "sarcasm master" IRL though |
| 04:13.33 | chealer | astronut: /topic |
| 04:13.40 | MobyTurbo | astronut: not yet |
| 04:13.42 | astronut | ya ya, i read dpkg's stuff |
| 04:13.42 | abydos | astronut: none that will make firefox work right |
| 04:13.45 | astronut | but stuff like that changes |
| 04:13.47 | chealer | astronut: not official ones anyway |
| 04:13.49 | astronut | abydos: ? |
| 04:13.55 | astronut | any unoficcial ones? |
| 04:14.24 | abydos | astronut: there are unofficials, but firefox craps itself when you try to run it |
| 04:14.29 | astronut | oh really? |
| 04:14.33 | astronut | well, guess those are out then |
| 04:14.35 | chealer | astronut: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 04:14.42 | astronut | chealer: read that alread |
| 04:14.43 | astronut | y |
| 04:14.51 | astronut | but things could have changed since that was set |
| 04:15.27 | MobyTurbo | astronut: ignore dpkg at your peril. ;-) |
| 04:15.28 | chealer | astronut: right...hopefully not when it's in topic though. do you need it so badly? |
| 04:15.36 | astronut | chealer: yes |
| 04:15.47 | astronut | my box keeps locking up with xfree86 |
| 04:15.50 | rob^ | y? |
| 04:16.03 | satHan | astronut: go grab the Xorg sources and build them? |
| 04:16.03 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 04:16.03 | chealer | x.org for more stability seems a strange idea to me |
| 04:16.16 | rob^ | how do you know xorg will fix it? |
| 04:16.16 | dpkg | y is, like, http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 04:16.31 | chealer | hahaha |
| 04:16.43 | astronut | <astronut> 1726 root 15 -10 0 0 0 R 99.9 0.0 13:34.42 XFree86 <astronut> see that 99.9? that's CPU used |
| 04:17.02 | astronut | rob^: that's what the #nvidia guys suggest |
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| 04:17.30 | m4lu5 | before i take my head and bash it with another red stripe bottle, |
| 04:17.44 | m4lu5 | why won't "MAKEDEV video" bloody create the devices? |
| 04:17.47 | MobyTurbo | astronut: I've used the latest nvidia drivers with the xfree in Debian Sid before, and it was stable |
| 04:17.59 | astronut | MobyTurbo: :;shrug:: |
| 04:18.01 | astronut | hasn't been for me |
| 04:18.08 | rob^ | yes, same MobyTurbo |
| 04:18.09 | astronut | had this problem w/ past seval drivers |
| 04:18.10 | m4lu5 | i ran it with -v for veeeerbosity, and it printed everything out, but alas, ls /dev/ indicates nothing was created |
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| 04:19.04 | clueless | are there any on ntp server out there? I tried many stratum 2 server but all seems closed. |
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| 04:19.24 | doub | hi there |
| 04:19.42 | mwilson | clueless: There's a reason not to just use the pool? |
| 04:19.43 | astronut | clueless: many ntp servers |
| 04:19.45 | MobyTurbo | rob^: I'm doing that as we speak. I guess that's what IRC was invented for. ;-) |
| 04:19.47 | eidolon | clueless: i always use 'pool.ntp.org' |
| 04:20.00 | astronut | rob^: heh |
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| 04:20.10 | astronut | i downloaded RH 7.1 and 7.3 over dialup |
| 04:20.12 | astronut | 3 disks each |
| 04:20.18 | astronut | and i had a slow dialup |
| 04:20.19 | clueless | I tried pool, but they all deny access to me.... |
| 04:20.20 | rob^ | heh yeah |
| 04:20.22 | astronut | took me about a month each time |
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| 04:20.40 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | maybe torrents? |
| 04:20.41 | mwilson | clueless: Unlikely. |
| 04:21.03 | rob^ | astronut, why bother for like a few bucks you could have bought them online and they would have got to you sooner |
| 04:21.05 | phillipsjk | I broke down and bougth a CD set :) |
| 04:21.10 | satHan | anyone know ~how long Xorg takes to build? |
| 04:21.14 | astronut | rob^: i'm cheap |
| 04:21.19 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | =] |
| 04:21.26 | astronut | satHan: let me know how it goes |
| 04:21.32 | MobyTurbo | satHan: that depends upon your CPU and disk speed |
| 04:21.34 | rob^ | or even go to your local LUG and get them for free |
| 04:22.08 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | anybody have lmsensors working? |
| 04:22.15 | satHan | Im thinking more in terms of hours, days etc |
| 04:22.31 | satHan | where the kernel is a short build, and XF86 is a long one, how bad is Xorg? |
| 04:22.38 | chealer | [fury]|[Red-EyE]: yes |
| 04:22.43 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | argh |
| 04:22.47 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | =] |
| 04:22.54 | chealer | !nickometer [fury]|[Red-EyE] |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | '[fury]|[Red-EyE]' is 99.9049% lame, chealer |
| 04:22.55 | astronut | rob^: no lug, i live in the middle of no where |
| 04:23.10 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | 8o |
| 04:23.12 | calin | !nickometer calin |
| 04:23.13 | eidolon | so, something mysteriously replaced my Apache2 installation on Debian Testing with Caudium.... any ideas how that happened? i even looked for apt-get remove caudium, and got 'caudium is not installed' |
| 04:23.14 | eidolon | :( |
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| 04:23.24 | doub | satHan: i'd say not so far from XFree86 |
| 04:23.26 | calin | oh w00t |
| 04:23.36 | doub | satHan: as X.org is a fork of Xfree |
| 04:23.37 | astronut | eidolon: apt-get install --reinstall apache2 |
| 04:23.38 | MobyTurbo | satHan: I think the idea of building xorg for the sake of "stability" or running the latest is a crazy Gentooism. |
| 04:23.50 | rob^ | astronut, there is a couple of places on the net that will send you free cds, like ubuntu |
| 04:23.51 | satHan | MobyTurbo: Yeah, I'm just playing around with it |
| 04:23.59 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: Of course it is. |
| 04:23.59 | astronut | MobyTurbo: you wouldn't say that if your box crashes every 20 mintues |
| 04:24.07 | mwilson | astronut: Of course he would. |
| 04:24.08 | eidolon | atronut: yeah, but how'd it get installed in the first place? did someone mess up a dependency somewhere? |
| 04:24.10 | astronut | rob^: meh...i had no idea |
| 04:24.13 | astronut | was my first experience w/ linux |
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| 04:24.17 | astronut | eidolon: dunn |
| 04:24.21 | satHan | astronut: wow that much? You might have RAM issues or an overheating piece somewhere... |
| 04:24.22 | astronut | never heard of cadmium |
| 04:24.23 | rob^ | lol.. Gentooism! |
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| 04:24.24 | calinb | !nickometer calin |
| 04:24.25 | nuix | ºÃ |
| 04:24.27 | astronut | satHan: i dunno |
| 04:24.30 | astronut | i thought it was heat |
| 04:24.32 | MobyTurbo | astronut: the problem probably is in the nvidia drivers, the last three or so have been a bad batch. |
| 04:24.34 | calin | ohh |
| 04:24.34 | astronut | but now i'm not so sure |
| 04:24.35 | clueless | mwilson: when I enter 'sources' in chronyc, it does not show any. so I tried 'accheck pool.ntp.org' and it says '209 access denied'. my clock is off by a minute now... |
| 04:24.44 | astronut | since i was ssh'd in |
| 04:24.44 | calin | odd* |
| 04:24.45 | astronut | and the ssh didn't die |
| 04:24.48 | astronut | i had thought it was heat |
| 04:24.49 | AtnNn | how can i get a list of the files for a package i have isntalled? |
| 04:24.54 | satHan | dpkg --list |
| 04:24.54 | chealer | calinb: it answers in private sometime |
| 04:25.02 | satHan | ahh whoops |
| 04:25.02 | calin | yeah, i noticed. |
| 04:25.11 | mwilson | clueless: Whatever you say. |
| 04:25.18 | calin | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for calin is 0.000% |
| 04:25.21 | calin | -] |
| 04:25.28 | calin | opps, half blind smiley |
| 04:25.31 | CyzarX | can root specify a certain user (for example CyzarX ) to mount hdd? |
| 04:25.40 | satHan | dpkg --listfiles <package> |
| 04:25.43 | mwilson | CyzarX: man mount |
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| 04:26.06 | doub | CyzarX: you must specify it in /etc/fstab with "user" option |
| 04:26.10 | satHan | !nickometer satHan |
| 04:26.14 | rob^ | !nickometer rob^ |
| 04:26.17 | doub | CyzarX: or use sudo |
| 04:26.18 | dark139 | can anyone refresh me on the commands to find what kernel im running? |
| 04:26.24 | satHan | heh heh 18% |
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| 04:26.36 | doub | dark139: uname -r |
| 04:26.49 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 04:26.49 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 04:26.55 | rob^ | 14% |
| 04:27.08 | rob^ | heh |
| 04:27.14 | CyzarX | doub, doesnt user allow all user to mount? however, i only want specifc user to mount. for example in this case, cyzarx |
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| 04:27.48 | satHan | CyzarX: you could set up sudo to allow a certain user to mount devices as root |
| 04:27.50 | nickola | Hello. I was on here earlier trying to get my Sony digital camera to mount so I could look at the pictures. I have since solved that problem, and come across another one...4 times of 5, the data will be corrupt coming from the camera. |
| 04:27.51 | calin | CyzarX: have you googled for "fstab mount options user single user mount" yet? |
| 04:27.55 | MobyTurbo | CyzarX: check out sudo |
| 04:28.22 | astronut | i'll let you know if it crashes again if it's a HW or SW crash |
| 04:28.26 | doub | CyzarX: i dont think that's possible without sudo. what you can do however is make shure the mount point or what's mounted only belongs to your user |
| 04:28.34 | nickola | I am mounting: mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/camera -t vfat <-- is this the correct way to mount a usb storage device? |
| 04:28.48 | astronut | sda |
| 04:28.49 | astronut | not sde |
| 04:28.50 | astronut | IIRC |
| 04:29.04 | doub | astronut: it depends on the device |
| 04:29.16 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | mine is sda2 |
| 04:29.20 | rob^ | ooo 11000 recipes! |
| 04:29.20 | nickola | Here is an example of corruption: this is a bit of an ls listing: ??.(? dsc00076.jpg dsc00081.jpg dsc00091.jpg inconsis.ten s.? |
| 04:29.24 | CyzarX | alrighty. thanks guys |
| 04:29.29 | rob^ | going strong |
| 04:29.33 | nickola | that just ain't right. :-) |
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| 04:30.58 | phillipsjk | nicola: could it be just a standard FAT (no long flie name?) |
| 04:31.07 | dark139 | is there a way to find out what kernel version upgrade is right for current kernel |
| 04:31.56 | doub | dark139: what do you want to do? |
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| 04:32.54 | dark139 | well i need iptables to work, the script i was attempting kept coming up with a iptables error, so I was suggested to upgrade to 2.4 or higher |
| 04:33.15 | nickola | phillipsjk: I don't think I tried that...that would be -t msdos yes? |
| 04:33.23 | [fury]|[Red-EyE] | could it make a difference if something was build into the kernel, as opposed to a module? |
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| 04:33.38 | chealer | dark139: and what's your kernel? |
| 04:33.49 | astronut | ok |
| 04:33.50 | rob^ | yeah?!? |
| 04:33.51 | astronut | locked up |
| 04:33.57 | astronut | CPU is 46.5*C |
| 04:34.00 | dark139 | 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 04:34.30 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.34 | Moviefan | hi guys |
| 04:34.35 | chealer | dark139: just curious, how are you using that box? |
| 04:34.38 | rob^ | bah |
| 04:34.51 | rob^ | dark139, are you using woody? |
| 04:34.53 | satHan | astronut: ouch, that was fast |
| 04:35.02 | dark139 | as in what im using it for? |
| 04:35.08 | chealer | dark139: yes |
| 04:35.15 | astronut | satHan: ya |
| 04:35.18 | dark139 | trying to host from it, setting up vhcs.net |
| 04:35.23 | phillipsjk | nickola: I'm not shure. On my (woody) machine, it mounts in dos mode if "-tvfat" is not specified. |
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| 04:35.38 | satHan | astronut: Xorg build still going strong, distcc and all |
| 04:35.49 | astronut | satHan: distcc? heh |
| 04:36.07 | satHan | astronut: setting up computers for people on LAN rocks :-) |
| 04:36.22 | satHan | astronut: 6 boxes + mine all running distcc atm |
| 04:36.25 | astronut | satHan: nice |
| 04:36.26 | nickola | phillipsjk: ya I tried to mount it without giving it a type, but it told me that it needed a type specified. |
| 04:36.34 | astronut | how hard is that to set up? |
| 04:36.35 | Moviefan | anyone here ripping dvds under linux? |
| 04:36.38 | nickola | phillipsjk: it wouldn't let me use the autofs... |
| 04:36.46 | astronut | anyway |
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| 04:36.51 | astronut | X is locked up again |
| 04:37.01 | chealer | dark139: I don't think there's a "kernel version upgrade right for the current kernel", but 2.4.18 is available for woody |
| 04:37.03 | satHan | astronut: check the .xsession-errors file? |
| 04:37.08 | rob^ | Moviefan, try dvd::rip |
| 04:37.16 | astronut | satHan: ok |
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| 04:37.33 | dark139 | chealer, im using sarge, the vhcs staff recommended it , and said vhcs works best with sarge |
| 04:37.37 | Moviefan | rob: how about a program like dvdshrink? |
| 04:37.55 | phillipsjk | nickola: "man mount" suggests -tmsdos |
| 04:38.08 | astronut | last line is FILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile]DOUBLE-CLICK: 400 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 de |
| 04:38.10 | rob^ | Moviefan, dvdshrink is a windows program, dvd::rip is kind of like it though |
| 04:38.14 | radiodurans | can anyone recommend a good voip home service? like for making international calls etc? |
| 04:38.15 | chealer | dark139: sarge on 2.2...you must have missed the kernel upgrade. then there's either 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 04:38.23 | gpled | i have not used debian in a long time. can i install it with 2.6 kernel, and grub? |
| 04:38.25 | rob^ | Moviefan, but heaps more customisable |
| 04:38.36 | chealer | gpled: with testing (Sarge), yes |
| 04:38.38 | satHan | radiodurans: I like Skype |
| 04:38.39 | rob^ | gpled, yes |
| 04:38.40 | dark139 | i know what version, but like the 2.4-386, or 2.4-684 |
| 04:38.46 | dark139 | or whatever the versions of each one are |
| 04:38.47 | Moviefan | hmm, i'll have to look into it. i have dvdshrink running under crossover, but i can't get it to see the drives |
| 04:38.50 | rob^ | gpled, sarge |
| 04:38.55 | satHan | radiodurans: are you looking for a physical VoIP telephone? |
| 04:38.59 | dark139 | i just would like to know which 2.2.20 i have so i don't mess it up |
| 04:39.06 | radiodurans | what about vonage? |
| 04:39.10 | Rucas | what's a good textmode e-mail client? i'm currently using elmo. |
| 04:39.10 | nickola | phillipsjk: I'm testing with -tmsdos now....if it works, I'll feel a little stupid for not trying it ahead of time. :-) |
| 04:39.12 | chealer | dark139: that's the architecture (386 at least, never heard of 684) |
| 04:39.25 | chealer | Rucas: mutt? |
| 04:39.27 | dark139 | 6 something |
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| 04:39.35 | satHan | nickola: emacs! |
| 04:39.39 | radiodurans | satHan: will look into skype... |
| 04:39.41 | rob^ | Moviefan, I'm pretty sure theres a deb package for dvd::rip |
| 04:39.47 | dark139 | i forget the exact i know its the arch , im just wandering if theres a way to figure out what version of my current kernel i have |
| 04:39.49 | Rucas | chealer: i'll give it a try |
| 04:40.02 | gpled | is their a "net" install cd? one that will get the system up, and let me apt-get install, the programs i want? |
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| 04:40.07 | Moviefan | rob: i'll try and find it. thanks for the help |
| 04:40.12 | satHan | gpled: yes |
| 04:40.22 | rob^ | dark139, uname -i |
| 04:40.26 | gpled | satHan: can i have a url? |
| 04:40.40 | rob^ | Moviefan, np |
| 04:40.43 | dark139 | rob didn't work |
| 04:40.52 | astronut | sweet...that time a kill -9 restared it |
| 04:41.08 | satHan | !d-i |
| 04:41.09 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:41.13 | rob^ | sorry, dark139, try uname -a |
| 04:41.14 | phillipsjk | nickola: The only way vfat would cause a problem is if the camera deletes the long filename info |
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| 04:41.41 | Harlin | you guys know of a really decent newsgroup for debian? looks like there's a lot of them |
| 04:41.46 | dark139 | so idepci it says, what kernel version should i upgrade to? |
| 04:41.50 | Nilbus | apt, ham? |
| 04:41.51 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, ham is oink oink |
| 04:41.55 | dark139 | oh nm |
| 04:41.56 | astronut | satHan: any chance you're making a .deb? |
| 04:41.58 | dark139 | i found my answer |
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| 04:42.15 | satHan | astronut: what architecture are you running? I could put up a .torrent after if you'd like |
| 04:42.25 | rob^ | dark139, np |
| 04:42.27 | astronut | satHan: x86 |
| 04:42.32 | astronut | satHan: you are making a .deb? |
| 04:43.09 | satHan | astronut: I was just going to make a tarball. I'd probably have to write install scripts and mech to make it a proper deb.. |
| 04:43.17 | astronut | ah |
| 04:43.24 | astronut | i'd prob be better off compiling myself |
| 04:43.30 | astronut | i wish deb would make an official build |
| 04:43.36 | nickola | phillipsjk: Okay..I feel like an absolute fool now. -t msdos works perfectly. |
| 04:43.37 | rob^ | w00t! only 7 hrs to go for dist-upgrade |
| 04:43.38 | astronut | satHan: how hard is distcc to use? |
| 04:43.40 | astronut | rob^: heh |
| 04:43.50 | njan | astronut, distcc is really easy to use |
| 04:44.03 | phillipsjk | nickola: wild guess :) |
| 04:44.05 | satHan | astronut: apt-get install distcc, export DISTCC_HOSTS='list', make -j8 CC=distcc |
| 04:44.07 | satHan | thats all |
| 04:44.15 | satHan | and install it on your other machines |
| 04:44.16 | njan | astronut, install the server and configure it to allow connections from a client IP, and then use the right compiler flag |
| 04:44.18 | astronut | hmm |
| 04:44.22 | astronut | what is 'list'? |
| 04:44.26 | satHan | a list of hostnames |
| 04:44.31 | nickola | phillipsjk: thanks for your help! |
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| 04:44.47 | njan | satHan, don't you need to configure compiling hosts to allow connections from specific addresses? |
| 04:44.52 | njan | satHan, or is my memory fading me.. |
| 04:44.55 | njan | s/fading/failing/ |
| 04:45.01 | njan | as my linguistic ability obviously is.. |
| 04:45.04 | satHan | njan: Yeah, but it defaults to allowing same subnet connections |
| 04:45.09 | njan | ah :) |
| 04:45.12 | njan | didn't know that :) |
| 04:45.21 | astronut | and how do you get the other host to connect? |
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| 04:45.28 | njan | make -j8 CC=distcc |
| 04:45.37 | satHan | astronut: You don't. the building pc will sent already pre-processed source files over for compilation |
| 04:45.41 | satHan | send* |
| 04:45.45 | njan | that compiler flag, along with either exporting DISTCC_HOSTS or editing the distcc config file iirc |
| 04:45.57 | astronut | satHan: how do you get it to listen? is there a distccd or something? |
| 04:46.01 | Wau|oK | I wanted to have different partitions: / /boot /usr /var /tmp /home. if i try to set them all to primary i can only have 4-5 partitions and 103Gb UNABLE TO USE. if i set /boot to primary then a swap then the rest as primary i cant allocate other partitions inside |
| 04:46.08 | satHan | astronut: yeah that gets installed with the distcc package |
| 04:46.23 | njan | Wau|oK, logical :) |
| 04:46.30 | njan | Wau|oK, first three can be primary, the rest have to be logical :) |
| 04:46.37 | Wau|oK | can i make them logical AFTER i WRITE it out? |
| 04:46.56 | Wau|oK | cos once i make a big primary, there's no SET LOGICALS menu option |
| 04:46.59 | satHan | Wau|oK: the capitalizations missd the I :-) |
| 04:47.02 | Wau|oK | just QUIT HELP WRITE |
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| 04:47.11 | njan | Wau|oK, ie. /dev/hda1=boot,/dev/hda2=/,/dev/hda3=/home,/dev/hda4=((logical container)), /dev/hda5 etc are inside logical container.. |
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| 04:47.31 | Wau|oK | yea i know what they are. but i didnt see an option for it |
| 04:47.47 | Wau|oK | theres no Create Logical drives after you have made the big primary partition |
| 04:48.10 | Wau|oK | make /boot primary then swap then a primary for the rest of the drive. then no option 'create logical' |
| 04:48.21 | Wau|oK | i tried stfw |
| 04:48.42 | Wau|oK | unfortunately debian site, like freebsd gives examples for people with huge 10gb drives :-/ |
| 04:49.00 | astronut | Wau|oK: size matters not for doing it how |
| 04:49.04 | astronut | what tool are you using? |
| 04:49.13 | Wau|oK | cfdisk or whatever it comes with |
| 04:49.21 | Wau|oK | debian install dvd |
| 04:49.34 | Rucas | GNAA |
| 04:50.27 | Jarn | er... |
| 04:50.59 | astronut | Wau|oK: meh..just keep creating i thought (been a while) |
| 04:51.12 | Wau|oK | ok |
| 04:51.18 | Wau|oK | i spose i can always redo it if it stuffs up |
| 04:51.35 | Jarn | I think I broke myself. |
| 04:51.38 | Wau|oK | i did find a great install tute on OSNews but they only install /boot swap and / |
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| 04:53.33 | astronut | when you do new |
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| 04:53.51 | astronut | there should be an option for "extended" or "logical" |
| 04:53.51 | astronut | do that |
| 04:53.56 | astronut | and have it span the rest of the drive |
| 04:54.01 | astronut | then go in that and create logical |
| 04:54.05 | astronut | err |
| 04:54.09 | astronut | create an extended after first 3 |
| 04:54.13 | astronut | then fill it w/ logical |
| 04:54.39 | astronut | satHan: so, want to tell me how to do distcc again? |
| 04:54.44 | Wau|oK | ok i'll try that. thanks astro |
| 04:54.48 | Wau|oK | bbl |
| 04:55.09 | satHan | astronut: if you install it, theres a quick howto at the bottom of the man page |
| 04:55.31 | Sero | Does anyone in here use Enlightenment? |
| 04:55.37 | astronut | ah |
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| 04:55.43 | satHan | !anyone use |
| 04:55.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:56.18 | astronut | installed on one box |
| 04:56.19 | satHan | Sero: what's your question, besides that? |
| 04:56.31 | astronut | and the other |
| 04:56.51 | Sero | Well Enlightenment on Debian seems to be very lame, and the middle click and left click menus don't work, which is very important, because you log out and run apps from there. |
| 04:57.10 | Sero | So when I use Enlightenment I can't do anything and I'm "stuck" there and have to use the power button and shut off the computer. |
| 04:57.18 | Sero | And this has happened on my friend's Debian box also. |
| 04:57.37 | Sero | I don't believe that they'd just put a package up that just made you "stuck." |
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| 04:57.44 | satHan | Is your XFree86 config mouse set up correctly? |
| 04:57.58 | satHan | I just installed E earlier today out of curiosity, haven't tried it yet.. |
| 04:58.03 | mud | i installed skype in sarge and it wont run am i missing dependencies? |
| 04:58.10 | Sero | It works on Gnome fine. |
| 04:58.12 | astronut | satHan: the DISTCC_HOSTS variable..i'll have to set that up each time i login? |
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| 04:58.29 | satHan | astronut: or put it in your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 04:58.37 | satHan | same with the CC variable |
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| 04:58.42 | astronut | ya |
| 04:58.51 | satHan | and make sure to add your hosts to the /etc/defaults/distcc allow list |
| 04:59.04 | astronut | the install asked for allowed |
| 04:59.09 | astronut | i told it 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 04:59.17 | satHan | ok cool |
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| 05:02.11 | legion | I can't get into my user. |
| 05:02.18 | fade_to_black | hi can anyone help me? I apt-get installed a new kernel and when I boot it, modconf doesn't show any modules. Although they are in my /lib/modules/ |
| 05:02.22 | legion | I seem to have broken a lot. |
| 05:02.34 | legion | I tried to make it so my two users had the same home folder. |
| 05:02.42 | satHan | legion: by editing /etc/passwd? |
| 05:02.49 | legion | No. |
| 05:02.51 | legion | with kuser |
| 05:03.15 | legion | And when I did it both of em got their uid set to blank, their start script set to blank, and their home folders set to blank. |
| 05:03.20 | legion | And my root can't do anything. |
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| 05:03.28 | legion | And I can access root just by typing su |
| 05:03.32 | satHan | legion: yeah kuser edits /etc/passwd |
| 05:03.33 | legion | it doesn't even ask me my password |
| 05:03.44 | legion | Well, it broke it, most definately. |
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| 05:03.55 | satHan | Yeah |
| 05:04.02 | legion | Is there anyway I can fix it? |
| 05:04.08 | Martin22 | hello people ! =) |
| 05:04.13 | Harlin_ | i am using Woody. How does one update a particular piece of software like say Gimp1.2? I'd like to install Gimp2.0... how do i go about doing this? |
| 05:04.17 | satHan | legion: perhaps kuser made a backup |
| 05:04.18 | nvz | s/, it/I/ |
| 05:04.49 | satHan | legion: what does your root: line look like in /etc/passwd? |
| 05:05.00 | chealer | !tell Harlin_ about backports |
| 05:05.14 | nvz | RichiH: hello? |
| 05:05.30 | legion | satHan: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
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| 05:05.56 | satHan | legion: hmm that looks right, what happens when you run passwd as root? |
| 05:06.03 | satHan | legion: does the password stay changed? |
| 05:06.04 | Martin22 | somebody can helpme? i have a fu@#in windmodem and i get the drivers for it (Lucent) but the kppp can't complete the negotiation |
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| 05:06.36 | astronut | legion: does your /etc/shadow look proper? |
| 05:06.48 | legion | i don't know what that is or what it should look like |
| 05:06.58 | astronut | it's a file |
| 05:07.01 | astronut | and it should look like this |
| 05:07.01 | satHan | legion: did you try setting the root password? |
| 05:07.14 | Harlin_ | chealer: yeah i know about apt-get install but what do i put after this in order to pull down and intall Gimp2? |
| 05:07.21 | Harlin_ | gimp2? |
| 05:07.24 | Harlin_ | Gimp2? |
| 05:07.27 | Harlin_ | gimp-2? |
| 05:07.30 | Harlin_ | gimp#2? |
| 05:07.34 | satHan | Harlin: no, apt will install the latest |
| 05:07.36 | chealer | !tell Harlin_ about enter |
| 05:07.44 | astronut | root:$1$A9AXIFja$BwaIdkP;l.asKSwBLzUNyz0:12639:0:99999:7::: |
| 05:07.45 | legion | satHan: Yes. |
| 05:07.53 | legion | sathan: How do I check if it saved it |
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| 05:07.55 | astronut | and don't get all excited people, i changed the hash |
| 05:08.03 | satHan | legion: try su again, see if it asks |
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| 05:08.13 | satHan | astronut: heh and theres always your machines salt |
| 05:08.13 | Harlin_ | satHan: i did apt-get install gimp but it said that gimp1.2 was the latest... does this mean this is the latest that i can possibly run on Woody? |
| 05:08.14 | legion | satHan: nope. |
| 05:08.14 | astronut | Harlin_: apt-cache search gimp |
| 05:08.27 | chealer | Harlin_: use an APT frontend, or what astronut said |
| 05:08.28 | legion | satHan: Could it have something to do with that now all 3 have the same UID? |
| 05:08.35 | legion | satHan: Since their UID got reset... |
| 05:08.45 | satHan | legion: Very possibly. Your users should start at 1000, root should be 0 |
| 05:08.47 | chealer | Harlin_: without backports, yes |
| 05:08.48 | astronut | Harlin_: what bracnh are you on? |
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| 05:08.55 | Harlin_ | woody astronut |
| 05:09.01 | astronut | oh |
| 05:09.03 | Harlin_ | which is really ok with me |
| 05:09.08 | astronut | then that'll be the latest you'll have |
| 05:09.10 | Martin22 | somebody can helpme? i have a fu@#in windmodem and i get the drivers for it (Lucent) but the kppp can't complete the negotiation, the error is "can't find ppp0 interface" |
| 05:09.15 | Harlin_ | astronut: ok... |
| 05:09.28 | Harlin_ | yeah i cant get sarge to work on vmware |
| 05:09.37 | legion | satHan: Which numbers in the file are supposed to be UID. The two numbers? |
| 05:09.38 | Harlin_ | at least X |
| 05:09.44 | astronut | Martin22: are drivers loaded? |
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| 05:09.51 | chealer | Martin22: maybe you entered ppp0 somewhere you should have entered eth0 |
| 05:09.54 | astronut | Harlin_: try an upgrade to sarge |
| 05:09.58 | Supaplex | what can extract .sit files? |
| 05:10.02 | astronut | chealer: it's a dial up |
| 05:10.03 | satHan | legion: yes |
| 05:10.04 | chealer | Martin22: sorry ignore me I was thinking about ADSL |
| 05:10.07 | satHan | legion: they are user:group |
| 05:10.09 | Harlin_ | astronut: how would i do that? and thanks for helping me |
| 05:10.11 | astronut | Harlin_: try sid |
| 05:10.18 | satHan | legion: make them the same, starting at 1000 |
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| 05:10.30 | chealer | !d-i Harlin |
| 05:10.31 | Harlin_ | what is sid? |
| 05:10.31 | dpkg | Harlin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:10.38 | chealer | !tell Harlin_ about sid |
| 05:10.53 | satHan | Harlin_: Sid is a newer version of debian, with newer software in it |
| 05:11.04 | lyy | what's dpkg's equivalent to rpm's rpm -qf -which lets hyou see which package owns it |
| 05:11.05 | legion | satHan: jarn:x:1000:1000:Jarn Firebrand:/home/jarn:/bin/bash |
| 05:11.11 | legion | satHan: Does that look right? |
| 05:11.16 | satHan | legion: yeah |
| 05:11.27 | Supaplex | legion: dpkg -S /bin/foo |
| 05:11.34 | Supaplex | er lyy that is. |
| 05:11.35 | Harlin_ | satHan: is it possible to just net upgrade Woody to Sarge? |
| 05:11.39 | chealer | astronut: please don't recommend sid unless you have the availability of a bot and the intention to stay on #debian for the rest of your life |
| 05:11.43 | lyy | Supaplex: thanks :) |
| 05:11.48 | chealer | Harlin_: yes |
| 05:11.49 | astronut | Harlin_: just modify apt's conf and do a dist-upgrade |
| 05:11.53 | satHan | Harlin_: Yeah and much easier |
| 05:11.54 | astronut | chealer: meh? |
| 05:11.59 | astronut | i use sid...fairly stable |
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| 05:12.14 | chealer | !tell astronut about sid faq |
| 05:12.15 | astronut | but chealer, i can also recomend then disapear and leave him with you |
| 05:12.16 | Harlin_ | satHan: how would i go about upgrading it? |
| 05:12.18 | legion | satHan: My friend just told me editing this passwd file will wreck my password... will it? |
| 05:12.38 | satHan | Harlin_: Change all instances of woody to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:12.50 | satHan | legion: dunno, isnt it already messed up? |
| 05:12.52 | chealer | !tell Harlin_ about woody->sarge |
| 05:12.54 | Supaplex | legion: it can. why not just use passwd? |
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| 05:13.02 | MobyTurbo | Harlin_: it's certainly possible to dist-upgrade from Woody to Sarge or Sid. I recommend Sarge, sid can be buggy somtimes but Sarge in my experience is stable. |
| 05:13.08 | legion | satHan: Sort of. |
| 05:13.21 | astronut | Harlin_: it may also be "stable" instead of "woody" |
| 05:13.38 | Harlin_ | well, i would like to just do Sarge from Woody |
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| 05:13.58 | lyy | legion: what are you doing? |
| 05:13.58 | satHan | Harlin_: Yeah, "woody" and "stable" are the same thing right now |
| 05:14.02 | Harlin_ | sure |
| 05:14.07 | Harlin_ | i get that |
| 05:14.11 | legion | lyy: ? |
| 05:14.18 | lyy | legion: with passwords that is |
| 05:14.28 | satHan | lyy: kuser fscked his /etc/passwd up apparently |
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| 05:14.46 | lyy | interesting |
| 05:14.59 | Supaplex | !test |
| 05:14.59 | dpkg | No, supaplex, you're not online any more. |
| 05:15.00 | legion | it doesnt like 2 users being set to the same home directory |
| 05:15.04 | Supaplex | oh there you is. |
| 05:15.07 | lyy | tried to do passwd as other people have said? |
| 05:15.11 | Supaplex | doh |
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| 05:15.27 | lyy | legion: why u do that? |
| 05:15.36 | lyy | legion: you trying to save space? |
| 05:15.39 | legion | lyy: I wanted them to have access to the same files. |
| 05:15.41 | satHan | legion: you can just symlink them, you know? |
| 05:15.51 | legion | satHan: I know that NOW... :( |
| 05:15.55 | satHan | legion: or do a chmod so that they both have permissions to both directories |
| 05:15.57 | satHan | ahhh |
| 05:16.02 | lyy | legion: you could've made a folder and added a group that had access to that folder |
| 05:16.09 | lyy | legion: and then add the two users to the group |
| 05:16.17 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:16.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:16.22 | legion | lyy: that's what I did. |
| 05:16.25 | grivell | !cut MobyTurbo |
| 05:16.27 | lyy | legion: cool :) |
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| 05:17.01 | legion | lyy: I started with jarn, then made legion, with home folder set to /home/jarn and it screwed up legion, so I deleted him |
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| 05:17.15 | legion | lyy: Then I made a new legion with /home/legion that I was going to symlink |
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| 05:17.23 | dark139 | ok I did apt-get kernel-image-2.4 kernel and it said installation successful but uname -a still shows 2.2 kernel |
| 05:17.24 | legion | lyy: and set em in the same group, and it messed up jarn |
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| 05:17.28 | legion | lyy: and then it messed up legion |
| 05:17.33 | lyy | Supaplex: dpkg -S isn't very reliable |
| 05:17.34 | legion | lyy: and then it messed up root |
| 05:17.44 | MobyTurbo | !aoilify grivell |
| 05:17.49 | MobyTurbo | !aolify grivell |
| 05:17.49 | chealer | dark139: reboot |
| 05:18.02 | MobyTurbo | oops |
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| 05:18.05 | Nexus | How do you pick a good mirror? I used netselect-apt and the mirror it gave me is transfering in Byes per second. Not kB, just B... Slower than a dead grandma. |
| 05:18.05 | MobyTurbo | :-) |
| 05:18.12 | lyy | legion: let me try something..maybe i can do what you can't do |
| 05:18.24 | grivell | !fuck MobyTurbo |
| 05:18.27 | legion | lyy: Heh... I wouldn't recommend you try it. |
| 05:18.33 | satHan | !botabuse |
| 05:18.33 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 05:18.36 | satHan | :-) |
| 05:18.38 | Harlin_ | chealer: i just wrecked my sources.list |
| 05:18.43 | Harlin_ | or something like it |
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| 05:18.48 | _gentgeen_ | I just install drupal, and I keep getting this every 5 minutes Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ..... |
| 05:18.51 | _gentgeen_ | any thoughts |
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| 05:18.53 | _morbid_ | people |
| 05:18.55 | _gentgeen_ | Google was not much help |
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| 05:18.59 | Harlin_ | chealer: i did wxactly as your dpkg friend said |
| 05:19.11 | chealer | Harlin_: ok...so what's the problem? |
| 05:19.23 | satHan | Harlin_: paste it in #flood |
| 05:19.25 | Harlin_ | free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:19.25 | Harlin_ | wm: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 05:19.33 | Harlin_ | among the many error messages |
| 05:19.37 | Harlin_ | sorry |
| 05:19.38 | chealer | _gentgeen_: but it works with mysql access sometimes? |
| 05:19.39 | satHan | get rid of the underscores for a start |
| 05:19.53 | Harlin_ | i didn't put them there |
| 05:19.55 | bucky | _gentgeen_, did yo apt-get drupal ? |
| 05:20.06 | chealer | Harlin_: hum...did you do an apt-get update? |
| 05:20.09 | Harlin_ | yeah |
| 05:20.10 | _gentgeen_ | bucky, yes (aptitude) |
| 05:20.18 | _morbid_ | I have a strange problem in my sparc box. In the X window, when I type a char, it sends another char, the next in the keyboard, so an "A" will be "S" and a "E" will be a "R" |
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| 05:20.25 | _morbid_ | it is a testing debian |
| 05:20.28 | _gentgeen_ | chealer, beleive so -- pretty new to mySQL |
| 05:20.29 | satHan | _morbid_: change your keymap? |
| 05:20.31 | Harlin_ | chealer: you need to see my sources.list? |
| 05:20.38 | _morbid_ | satHan: it is correct. |
| 05:20.50 | _morbid_ | satHan: My keyboard is a SUN type 5c |
| 05:20.57 | _morbid_ | it is set as a sun and type5 |
| 05:20.58 | chealer | Harlin_: post it on #flood if you think it's wrong |
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| 05:21.07 | _gentgeen_ | chealer, been using mySQL with a few other apps though, with no probs |
| 05:21.20 | _morbid_ | I really dont know what can be |
| 05:21.25 | _morbid_ | in the console it works ok |
| 05:21.27 | doub | good night everybody |
| 05:21.33 | chealer | _gentgeen_: hum, I don't know, that error is THE sign that PHP's mysql support is missing |
| 05:21.33 | lyy | legion: i just did it |
| 05:21.35 | viejaslocas | normally when you hace a segmentation fault that shoul do a core file am i right? |
| 05:21.38 | lyy | legion: it works for me |
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| 05:21.50 | satHan | Harlin_: looks right.. |
| 05:21.51 | lyy | legion: only problem is that one user can't edit another's. |
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| 05:22.00 | legion | lyy: hmmm |
| 05:22.01 | bob2 | viejaslocas: depends |
| 05:22.04 | bob2 | lord |
| 05:22.06 | _gentgeen_ | chealer, any other ways to check, what packages? |
| 05:22.13 | lyy | legion: don't user kusers |
| 05:22.15 | chealer | _gentgeen_: php4-mysql |
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| 05:22.19 | satHan | Harlin_: but get rid of the security.debian lines |
| 05:22.19 | lyy | legion: use useradd |
| 05:22.23 | legion | lyy: I won't ever again, i tell you... : |
| 05:22.24 | legion | :( |
| 05:22.28 | astronut | satHan: hows compile going? |
| 05:22.28 | bucky | _gentgeen_, see if mysql is uncommented in php.ini |
| 05:22.32 | lyy | legion: you should when you make normal users |
| 05:22.34 | _gentgeen_ | chealer, shucks -- checked that one already -- got it |
| 05:22.35 | satHan | astronut: still chugging :-) |
| 05:22.42 | _gentgeen_ | bucky, will do no |
| 05:22.42 | astronut | satHan: how long do you think? |
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| 05:22.46 | lyy | legion: but if you want to do this setup, you have to go out of bounds |
| 05:22.50 | astronut | biggest i've ever compiled is kernel |
| 05:22.52 | legion | lyy: ah |
| 05:22.56 | bucky | _gentgeen_, and verify it with a phpinfo page |
| 05:22.58 | satHan | astronut: 260 megs compiled right now |
| 05:23.07 | viejaslocas | normally when you have a segmentation fault that should do a core file am i right? |
| 05:23.14 | lyy | legion: this is what i used : useradd -m -k /etc/skel -d /home/share |
| 05:23.16 | satHan | astronut: kde 3.2 took me a day and a half |
| 05:23.17 | astronut | satHan: out of? |
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| 05:23.35 | legion | lyy: hmm... okay |
| 05:23.36 | bob2 | viejaslocas: no |
| 05:23.38 | lyy | legion: correction, useradd -m -k /etc/skel -d /home/share user1 |
| 05:23.39 | astronut | meh |
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| 05:23.40 | bob2 | viejaslocas: it depends |
| 05:23.40 | bucky | _gentgeen_, and you do have to restart apache when you do that |
| 05:23.44 | astronut | bedtime on the east coast |
| 05:23.46 | astronut | bye |
| 05:23.50 | satHan | astronut: peace |
| 05:24.00 | viejaslocas | jaja Flavio-buenos aires? |
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| 05:24.03 | lyy | legion: and the next user will be : useradd -m -k /etc/skel -d /home/share user2 |
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| 05:24.18 | viejaslocas | depends on what? |
| 05:24.29 | legion | lyy: hang on, im gonna see if the changes i made work |
| 05:24.31 | bob2 | viejaslocas: on your ulimit setting, if nothing else |
| 05:24.42 | lyy | legion: but someone suggested symlinks |
| 05:24.48 | lyy | legion: which is also a good idea |
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| 05:24.57 | chealer | Harlin_: you don't need the 3 last lines |
| 05:24.57 | staniel | whenever I try to run cupsaddsmb it gives me an error of |
| 05:24.58 | staniel | SetPrinter call failed! |
| 05:24.58 | staniel | result was WERR_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 05:25.07 | viejaslocas | so the default config is not suppose to make a core file? |
| 05:25.29 | legion | Oooo! |
| 05:25.34 | legion | Kuser backed it up! |
| 05:25.34 | Harlin_ | chealer: still getting errors |
| 05:25.44 | satHan | legion: :-) |
| 05:25.58 | _gentgeen_ | looking through the php.ini file, gonna need some time to desifer (sp?) that one |
| 05:26.02 | satHan | legion: I'd find the line where I suggested looking for backups, but i'd have to scroll up :-) |
| 05:26.03 | _gentgeen_ | :-) |
| 05:26.13 | lyy | legion: only issue i think is that the user1 initially owns the directory |
| 05:26.16 | legion | satHan: hehe. :P |
| 05:26.28 | legion | lyy: I think I'll just use symlinks |
| 05:26.35 | bob2 | viejaslocas: when did someone say that? |
| 05:26.37 | lyy | legion: that's a good practice |
| 05:26.50 | fusQuanto | man why can i not do CTRL + U for clearing the line? i used to be able to do that in my other debian isntallation |
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| 05:26.58 | lyy | legion: you can't get around it i think |
| 05:27.20 | ireverentReveren | if i wanted to install a simple smtp server what would a good option be? it will be used for both phpbb emails and eventually pop3 through accoutns on domains i vhost |
| 05:27.23 | lyy | legion: and if you want people to be able to edit each other stuff, you'll have to constantly chmod the files to allow them access |
| 05:27.23 | bob2 | fusQuanto: depends on the program |
| 05:27.28 | bob2 | ireverentReveren: postfix |
| 05:27.33 | fusQuanto | bob2, xchat, firefox |
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| 05:27.39 | fusQuanto | bob2, i was able to do it in both of those |
| 05:27.42 | chealer | Harlin_: I don't really know, yo could try with mine... |
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| 05:27.56 | bob2 | fusQuanto: awesome |
| 05:28.01 | fusQuanto | bob2, so how do i do it now? |
| 05:28.02 | bob2 | fusQuanto: it's almost as if it's a config option |
| 05:28.07 | viejaslocas | bob2: what limit you are talking about? |
| 05:28.12 | lyy | legion: wait a minute, i take back what i just said |
| 05:28.18 | ireverentReveren | bob2, thank you very much |
| 05:28.27 | bob2 | viejaslocas: -c |
| 05:28.37 | legion | lyy: yeah, i think i only have to chmod once |
| 05:28.42 | lyy | legion: what you could do is make a folder that is symlinked to the other user and then make that folder owned by a specific group and add both of them to the group |
| 05:28.48 | lyy | legion: yeah |
| 05:28.55 | legion | lyy: yeah, but I'm gonna go see if my backup worked |
| 05:28.57 | chealer | Harlin_: deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 05:29.05 | lyy | cool |
| 05:29.11 | viejaslocas | in limits.conf? |
| 05:29.23 | llama32 | anyone know of a file manager that gives u a desktop other than nautilus/konq? |
| 05:29.29 | lyy | any of you guys tried linspire? |
| 05:29.36 | bob2 | lyy: #linspire |
| 05:29.38 | bob2 | a) it's crap |
| 05:29.38 | lyy | it's not bad at all |
| 05:29.42 | bob2 | b) it's irelevant |
| 05:29.45 | llama32 | is that one of those windows lookalikes? |
| 05:29.51 | lyy | bob2: there's no linspire ;p |
| 05:29.58 | satHan | yeah with their pay-for-access apt repository |
| 05:30.02 | bob2 | lyy: oh, and no support community, either? |
| 05:30.05 | llama32 | rofl |
| 05:30.06 | bob2 | that's especially crap |
| 05:30.09 | lyy | bob2: heheheheh |
| 05:30.09 | bob2 | satHan: no, it's not theirs |
| 05:30.15 | bob2 | satHan: they charge for access to Debian mirrors |
| 05:30.26 | rob^ | linspire? bah |
| 05:30.28 | satHan | bob2: Oh, i thought they hosted click-n-run |
| 05:30.31 | rob^ | troll |
| 05:30.34 | lyy | bob2: i have linspire |
| 05:30.35 | llama32 | free software's a lot better when u dont have to pay for it :) |
| 05:30.50 | lyy | but i install free debian packages |
| 05:30.56 | bob2 | lyy: then go to #linspire or whatever |
| 05:30.57 | satHan | llama32: but the point isnt that you dont pay for software. free in this case is about usability and rights |
| 05:31.08 | lyy | i'm jus letting you know bob2 |
| 05:31.08 | bob2 | this is not a support channel for poorly designed debian derivatives |
| 05:31.34 | rob^ | heh good one bob2 |
| 05:31.35 | lyy | wow, you got some beef with linspire don't u? |
| 05:31.41 | ireverentReveren | what is the difference between internet site and internet site using smarthost while setting up postfix? would the latter be simialar to using virtual hosts in apache? |
| 05:31.46 | bob2 | not really |
| 05:31.51 | bob2 | it's too bad to really care about |
| 05:31.58 | lyy | sure doesn't seem that way |
| 05:32.06 | bob2 | it just annoys me that people actually use it and theink "omg i'm using linux" |
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| 05:32.13 | lyy | but they are |
| 05:32.20 | Jarn | okay, i could restore my users from the backup |
| 05:32.25 | Jarn | but it still says Jarn has no name |
| 05:32.33 | satHan | haha *satHan has joined #linspire: 1 person in room" |
| 05:32.42 | satHan | case closed :-) |
| 05:32.45 | Jarn | I have no name!@linc:~# |
| 05:32.58 | yonkeltron | huah |
| 05:33.03 | lyy | bob2: i know you're not saying that linspire isn't build on debian |
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| 05:33.15 | lyy | s/build/built/g |
| 05:33.17 | bob2 | lyy: ok! |
| 05:33.23 | satHan | lyy: it defaults to root only. they deserve to burn for that alone |
| 05:33.49 | lyy | satHan: no it doesn't. i'm using it now |
| 05:34.02 | bob2 | anyway |
| 05:34.04 | bob2 | no one cares |
| 05:34.06 | lyy | satHan: you can create non root user as well |
| 05:34.09 | Flavio-Ba | lyy: They have changed this |
| 05:34.12 | rob^ | yes |
| 05:34.12 | bob2 | and whinging about linspire is off-topic, too |
| 05:34.16 | bucky | and michael robertson's a nice guy |
| 05:34.20 | lyy | Flavio-Ba: ah, i didn't know that |
| 05:34.20 | bob2 | just like fanboying it |
| 05:34.22 | rob^ | stop trolling lyy |
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| 05:34.33 | satHan | rawr |
| 05:34.35 | lyy | i'm not trolling. am i? |
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| 05:34.37 | satHan | we all done then? |
| 05:34.43 | bob2 | yup |
| 05:34.48 | zak_ | grrrrrrrr /nick llama32 |
| 05:34.48 | satHan | ok |
| 05:34.52 | zak_ | grrr oops |
| 05:34.53 | renegad3 | im reading a how-to on bind9 for debian... but what its saying I dont have :( its asing to execute 'bindconfig' ive searched the repos for that package but no luck, anyone know what they are on about? |
| 05:34.54 | lyy | i guess i'm trolling if i said something someone can't stand. |
| 05:35.03 | renegad3 | asking* |
| 05:35.11 | bob2 | lyy: we're done |
| 05:35.19 | lyy | bob2: no you're done. |
| 05:35.19 | bob2 | renegad3: url? |
| 05:35.23 | bob2 | lyy: thanks! |
| 05:35.26 | lyy | hehe |
| 05:35.28 | renegad3 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 05:35.41 | lyy | so this is the debian community eh? |
| 05:35.48 | _morbid_ | any bug in X on debian testing in sparc? |
| 05:35.55 | bob2 | renegad3: read it again |
| 05:35.58 | satHan | lyy: bob2 is one member |
| 05:35.59 | _morbid_ | my keyboard worked when it was stable |
| 05:35.59 | bob2 | lyy: ok, enough |
| 05:36.01 | rob^ | yes, not the linspire community |
| 05:36.04 | renegad3 | bob2, ok |
| 05:36.04 | bob2 | since you're actually trolling |
| 05:36.10 | satHan | yeah now you definately are |
| 05:36.10 | _morbid_ | but it is not typing correctly after an update |
| 05:36.14 | bob2 | renegad3: "This program doesn't exist in bind versions 8.2.1 and higher. It may show up again sometime, but for now ignore these steps if your using these versions." |
| 05:36.22 | Supaplex | _morbid_: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 05:36.32 | grivell | lyy: What was your question? |
| 05:36.33 | renegad3 | bob2, ok thanks |
| 05:36.36 | staniel | Im having troubles with samba+CUPS - it takes an extremely long time for any file to be printed over the network |
| 05:36.37 | Jarn | how do i rename from the command line |
| 05:36.46 | Supaplex | Jarn: with mv |
| 05:36.49 | satHan | Jarn: mv oldname newname |
| 05:36.54 | staniel | its being printed from gvim on a winXPSP2 environment |
| 05:36.55 | lyy | grivell: it was initially anyone used linspire here |
| 05:37.02 | staniel | can anyone PLEASE try to help me resovel this |
| 05:37.05 | _morbid_ | Supaplex: thanks |
| 05:37.11 | lyy | grivell: but someone was offended with that statement and proceed to thrash linspire |
| 05:37.11 | bucky | lyy /join #linspire |
| 05:37.17 | bob2 | staniel: please don't do that |
| 05:37.28 | satHan | bucky: theres no one there |
| 05:37.29 | bob2 | lyy: linspire is off-topic, I'm sorry |
| 05:37.33 | staniel | bob2: why not? i've been trying for days to figure it out |
| 05:37.34 | bucky | exactly |
| 05:37.38 | lyy | bucky: i didn't channel. thanks tho |
| 05:37.41 | bob2 | and every linspire user I've spoken to has been obnoxious and annoying like yourself |
| 05:37.53 | lyy | bob2: grivell asked me a question and i'm telling him |
| 05:38.02 | bob2 | so, try a more appropriate place to discuss with grivell |
| 05:38.07 | grivell | lyy: I see. That is why this room is #2 on the shame list ;) I don't think many people use Linspire though. It is a product envious of Fedora. |
| 05:38.07 | lyy | bob2: you're the annoying guy. lol |
| 05:38.11 | bob2 | staniel: then you should totally beg for help, it'll encourage people |
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| 05:38.14 | bucky | i guess linspire is not supported anywhere |
| 05:38.28 | Supaplex | bug the oem |
| 05:38.29 | bob2 | bucky: presumably you can pay them for support |
| 05:38.36 | bucky | ic |
| 05:38.45 | lyy | grivell: i'm a dev for both suse and fedora |
| 05:38.48 | bob2 | staniel: what was the message id of the mail you sent to the debian-isp or debian-user mailing list? |
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| 05:39.05 | bob2 | with the realname of "James Bond" |
| 05:39.07 | staniel | bob2: I haven't sent any message to the mailing lists |
| 05:39.07 | lyy | but since i was dev'ing for linspire too, i was going to get my feet wet and see what debianwas like |
| 05:39.08 | bob2 | that seems likely |
| 05:39.16 | bob2 | staniel: that's your first mistake, do it now |
| 05:39.21 | ireverentReveren | i think i goofed configureing postfix, how to i reconfigure it? |
| 05:39.22 | bob2 | staniel: er, debian-user, sorry |
| 05:39.27 | lyy | bob2: who gives a care what my full name is |
| 05:39.29 | bob2 | ireverentReveren: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 05:39.37 | staniel | bob2: and explain why? |
| 05:39.41 | ireverentReveren | Thank You bob2 |
| 05:39.41 | satHan | lyy: chill, let it go |
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| 05:39.49 | bob2 | staniel: ? |
| 05:39.50 | grivell | lyy: This channel doesn't support anything but Debian for a good reason. (729 people) Try asking in #gentoo to see their response. |
| 05:39.52 | lyy | satHan: it's forgotten |
| 05:40.05 | lyy | grivell: um, linspire is debian |
| 05:40.07 | staniel | why should I use a mailing list when people are on IRC? is there really a point to using the mailing list? |
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| 05:40.19 | bob2 | lyy: no, it is not |
| 05:40.22 | grivell | lyy: OH NO IT IS NOT |
| 05:40.25 | lyy | lol |
| 05:40.27 | bob2 | since I'm 90% sure you're trolling now, stop it or go |
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| 05:40.36 | lyy | grivell: define debian please |
| 05:40.40 | grivell | !debian |
| 05:40.41 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 05:40.52 | cyberlok | hello all need help on debian stable and have a broken dependency or something anyways when doing anything now I get a do a apt-get -f install suggestion from apt-get but even that fails even after verifying source.list and making sure apt-get update is ran before the apt-get -f install |
| 05:40.55 | satHan | heh |
| 05:40.55 | _llama32_ | anyone know of a good project to start off coding for (non-gui & c)? |
| 05:40.59 | rob^ | thank god |
| 05:41.03 | bob2 | _llama32_: mutt |
| 05:41.14 | cyberlok | any sure fire ways in the console to just cut out these problem installs that may have caused this? |
| 05:41.20 | bob2 | staniel: um? |
| 05:41.33 | bob2 | staniel: because IRC is for quick "how do I do $blah?" questions, not "OMG LOLZ SAMBA IS SLOW" |
| 05:41.59 | bob2 | staniel: or try #samba |
| 05:42.06 | staniel | bob2: so you aren't even gonna attempt anything? |
| 05:42.12 | bob2 | attempt what? |
| 05:42.12 | staniel | bob2: seems like you haven't done a whois yet |
| 05:42.17 | satHan | astronut: build is done, that makes it a little under 2 hours for the full |
| 05:42.28 | bob2 | staniel: ? |
| 05:42.31 | satHan | laters everybody |
| 05:42.37 | staniel | attempt to figure out why maybe cupsaddsmb might not be working? maybe im doing something wrong in the conf |
| 05:42.43 | staniel | bob2: look at what channels I am in |
| 05:42.48 | bob2 | yes, I can see that |
| 05:42.51 | cyberlok | you using stable staniel? |
| 05:43.02 | cyberlok | you can try using a non conventional means |
| 05:43.04 | bob2 | cyberlok: you have a broken dependency in stable? paste the whole error to #flood. |
| 05:43.05 | staniel | Cyanophytes: sid on my desktop, which it was slow |
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| 05:43.17 | cyberlok | by going to www.backports.org and getting thier samba2 that runs on stable |
| 05:43.25 | staniel | cyberlok: sid on the desktop, and sarge on the server |
| 05:43.33 | cyberlok | bob2 its webmin installs |
| 05:43.34 | staniel | both of them samba is slow for printing |
| 05:43.38 | cyberlok | k |
| 05:43.40 | bob2 | cyberlok: that doesn't help |
| 05:43.47 | bob2 | cyberlok: paste the whole error from apt |
| 05:43.52 | cyberlok | its my fault I can tell ya that |
| 05:43.54 | cyberlok | not stables |
| 05:44.05 | bob2 | "15:40:53 cyberlok | hello all need help on debian stable" |
| 05:44.07 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.08 | fusQuanto | lol! |
| 05:44.20 | fusQuanto | staniel, did you tel him it takes 20-30 minutes to process |
| 05:44.33 | staniel | fusQuanto: not yet |
| 05:44.43 | staniel | cause they are all dinks who don't want to help out people they don't know |
| 05:44.47 | fusQuanto | i thought you meant like 30 seconds at first i was like big deals |
| 05:44.47 | cyberlok | roger that generating the error now bob2 |
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| 05:45.12 | cyberlok | just taking forever on this remote connectino |
| 05:45.25 | cyberlok | gimme one sec bob2 I will let you know here when I am ready to paste |
| 05:45.33 | cyberlok | thx btw |
| 05:45.38 | crackhead | clear |
| 05:45.44 | crackhead | oops |
| 05:46.00 | Kupal[]__ | does anyone have lag issues when they use bittorrent.. I.E. start a download, wait a minute ping any internet address and the responce is like 1000ms or 500ms + |
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| 05:46.11 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 05:46.13 | staniel | bob2: so you still just gonna sit on your ass and do nothing about my problem? |
| 05:46.18 | bob2 | staniel: fuck off |
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| 05:46.25 | crackhead | can someone tell me how to install my kernel sources....I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers and it's saying it can't find them |
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| 05:46.32 | staniel | or are you gonna make me wait forever for people on a mailing list to tell me maybe what is wrong? |
| 05:46.36 | bob2 | crackhead: you don't need the kernel source |
| 05:46.39 | bob2 | crackhead: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 05:46.43 | Phated | crackhead: Install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:46.55 | rob^ | staniel, we don't give a fig |
| 05:46.55 | bob2 | staniel: a) I don't owe you anything b) I don't help people who act like cocks while expecting free support |
| 05:47.03 | Phated | Or, heck, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 05:47.42 | crackhead | what is this /msg? do I actually type that on the cmd line? |
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| 05:47.45 | Kupal[]__ | staniel: you have pissed off bob2, thats umm quite a feat. |
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| 05:47.49 | Phated | In IRC, crackhead. |
| 05:47.55 | bob2 | crackhead: into your IRC client |
| 05:48.05 | Kupal[]__ | lol |
| 05:48.07 | bob2 | crackhead: the bot "dpkg" will /msg you an answer back, explaining what steps to follow |
| 05:48.21 | cyberlok | bob2 url in #flood |
| 05:48.25 | staniel | Kupal[]__: yeah, well, if you sit on you ass, when you work on something that is volunteer based, and say fuck off, you deserve it |
| 05:48.58 | bob2 | cyberlok: you can paste urls in here.. |
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| 05:49.16 | cyberlok | http://rafb.net/paste/results/O6rIl747.nln.html |
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| 05:49.45 | chealer | staniel: he said fuck off AFTER you said he sit on his ass |
| 05:49.46 | bob2 | cyberlok: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, too? |
| 05:49.50 | cyberlok | just need it gone so I can work on getting webmin working again.... someone did something crazy on this thing |
| 05:49.58 | cyberlok | np one sec |
| 05:50.22 | renegad3 | !webmin |
| 05:50.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed ... |
| 05:50.35 | staniel | chealer: I know - but still - im trying to figure out my problem here - and all of you are being dinks about it |
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| 05:50.48 | staniel | and lets see, I just got kicked for a flood - which I did not do |
| 05:50.56 | bob2 | that's the default reason |
| 05:51.07 | bob2 | since I decided not to express my annoyance in the kick message |
| 05:51.16 | bob2 | you're demanding help from volunteers |
| 05:51.17 | cyberlok | ok it was a bit big |
| 05:51.18 | Kupal[]__ | staniel: i didn't understand a word you said, i just got the fuck off part, which meant: That you have a shit attitude at the momment. Therefore I suggest you leave and come back when your in a better mood. |
| 05:51.20 | cyberlok | url http://rafb.net/paste/results/vwh4fl22.nln.html |
| 05:51.21 | bob2 | it doesn't work like that |
| 05:51.46 | bob2 | yes, yada yada, stuck on a problem for two days, you're not doubt frustrated |
| 05:52.01 | staniel | bob2: no, but you told me to go ask in #samba - take a look at what channels I am in |
| 05:52.06 | bob2 | staniel: yes, indeed |
| 05:52.07 | cyberlok | you can never demand help from people who do it for free on thier off time when they are not supporting people who pay who still dont know what they are doing |
| 05:52.12 | cyberlok | anyways just my 2 cents |
| 05:52.13 | bob2 | and presumably you're asking for hlpe there, too |
| 05:52.24 | bob2 | are you flaming them as well? or being polite? whic approach is working better? |
| 05:52.30 | bob2 | cyberlok: that's very odd |
| 05:52.36 | staniel | neither - cause no on is in samba to help |
| 05:52.37 | cyberlok | no doubt bob2 |
| 05:52.41 | rob^ | heh |
| 05:52.57 | cyberlok | right now I am willing to kill webmin in its whole form if I can get past this error somehow |
| 05:53.10 | rob^ | staniel, tough bannanas |
| 05:53.13 | Kupal[]__ | bob2: hey man, you suffering from idjiots tonight? |
| 05:53.17 | staniel | and you guys might as well not be here, since you're not even gonna challenge yourselves to help out a user |
| 05:53.19 | cyberlok | yes webmin seems to be working on this thing |
| 05:53.21 | bob2 | staniel: the reason I suggested the mailing list is because it's FAR less annoying to help someone with long complicated problems there |
| 05:53.27 | bob2 | IRC is the fast food of support |
| 05:53.32 | bob2 | staniel: for fucks sake |
| 05:53.45 | cyberlok | bob2 dont let him get to ya man |
| 05:53.47 | bob2 | staniel: what contributions have you made to the FS world this week? |
| 05:53.52 | bob2 | Kupal[]__: always |
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| 05:54.13 | chealer | bob2: he uses linux ;) |
| 05:54.16 | rob^ | give me a B.. give me an A.. give me an N.. whats that spell? |
| 05:54.18 | staniel | bob2: what have you done? |
| 05:54.23 | Kupal[]__ | cyberlok: apt-get remove webmin and install from sources.. then each module you use will need to be setup, and lastly, if that module is programmed for ver 2. of something and you have 3 expect shite, or if you have ver 2 moddified something else expect shiite. but if its general good to go. |
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| 05:54.28 | bob2 | cyberlok: 'dpkg -P --force-depends webmin-core' should get it out |
| 05:54.33 | Kupal[]__ | bob2: have i ever been that bad? |
| 05:54.56 | bob2 | staniel: fixed a dozen bugs in bazaar, prepared a new debian upload of it, triaged a few lyx bugs and supported dozen of people in here |
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| 05:55.10 | renegad3 | lol looks like staniel is pushing the wrong buttons ;) |
| 05:55.10 | cyberlok | trying now bob2 |
| 05:55.11 | bob2 | staniel: as a user, you do not sit there and demand help |
| 05:55.23 | lakcaj | Is there a way to disable the pc speaker beep system wide? I've got "xset b off" in my .bashrc, but I still get the beep in certain applications. |
| 05:55.27 | bob2 | staniel: you can sit there and ask for help, and if you're polite and helpful back, you'll mosyt likely get it |
| 05:55.48 | bob2 | lakcaj: "setterm" might help for console ones |
| 05:55.52 | staniel | bob2: well, when you are an ass first, what would you expect |
| 05:55.53 | bob2 | Kupal[]__: not in my memory |
| 05:55.57 | bob2 | staniel: no, I wasn't |
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| 05:56.16 | staniel | oh, just overly lazy, told me to go to samba - which I am already there |
| 05:56.22 | cyberlok | omg bob2 this is crazy as heck |
| 05:56.23 | lakcaj | bob2, thanks. |
| 05:56.25 | cyberlok | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XNIkdo47.nln.html |
| 05:56.32 | bob2 | staniel: oh shut up |
| 05:56.41 | chealer | staniel: you want to try your PC's power button |
| 05:56.41 | bob2 | whinging makes people not want to help you at all |
| 05:56.45 | cyberlok | I been working with debian stable for years and never seen a user like this |
| 05:56.53 | grivell | staniel: Offer bob2 some money cheapskate :P |
| 05:57.00 | cyberlok | you get this from fortune 500 support users |
| 05:57.05 | staniel | chealer: yeah, how about I put a pencil into your PSU |
| 05:57.13 | bob2 | !+find update-webmin stable |
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| 05:57.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:57.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-webmin' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-webmin) in admin/webmin. |
| 05:57.26 | chealer | staniel: go for it after you /part #debian |
| 05:57.42 | markc | what is testing called when using debootstrap ? |
| 05:57.51 | bob2 | anyway, sorry for escalting this, I just really do not like the fact people whinge if they don't get helped |
| 05:57.56 | bob2 | especially if they have such a bad attitude |
| 05:57.59 | bob2 | markc: sarge? |
| 05:58.03 | Kupal[]__ | staniel: don't flame the ppl that have contributed the most ... |
| 05:58.13 | bob2 | cyberlok: ah |
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| 05:58.22 | chealer | flame? isn't that just insulting? |
| 05:58.25 | markc | bob2> so sarge is testing, is isd = unstable ? |
| 05:58.28 | markc | sid |
| 05:58.31 | bob2 | markc: sid, yes |
| 05:59.07 | bob2 | cyberlok: another option is "dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_*" |
| 05:59.10 | markc | bob2> thank you :-) (they're wierd names) |
| 05:59.16 | ^Ocean^ | hey, when i try and run firefox its tellin me that the profile is already in use, yet i have no other windows open |
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| 05:59.23 | cyberlok | bob2 it is understandable I do fortune 500 support on the phones and getting that kind of stuff is kind of overlooked when the guy is paying 40k a year just to be able to email you |
| 05:59.36 | cyberlok | but for debian.... irc.... freenode... come on |
| 05:59.41 | tiger1020x | does apt-get source kernel-image-2.6* get you the kernel source code? |
| 05:59.42 | bob2 | ^Ocean^: did it or X crash in the past? |
| 05:59.44 | markc | ^Ocean^> pas aux | grep fire |
| 05:59.49 | markc | ^Ocean^> ps aux | grep fire |
| 05:59.50 | cyberlok | bob2 trying now |
| 05:59.50 | bob2 | tiger1020x: no |
| 05:59.55 | staniel | ok, so I may not be a fucking developer or packager like you guys - but I do alot in linux - infact, i've helped out a half dozen people this week in some of their linux question/problems |
| 05:59.57 | bob2 | tiger1020x: what are you trying to do? compile a module? |
| 06:00.08 | ^Ocean^ | bob2: it did there are no process's running |
| 06:00.12 | bob2 | staniel: yes, and that's awesome |
| 06:00.13 | tiger1020x | no get a image and source that match |
| 06:00.16 | bob2 | staniel: but you don't need to be a dick |
| 06:00.19 | bob2 | tiger1020x: why? |
| 06:00.24 | staniel | bob2: neither do you |
| 06:00.36 | tiger1020x | why?????? can't compile anything with a image |
| 06:00.39 | bob2 | ^Ocean^: rm .mozilla/firefox/default*/lock |
| 06:00.45 | bob2 | tiger1020x: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:00.49 | markc | oh boy.. I'm aouta here... thanks for the help bob2 |
| 06:00.56 | tiger1020x | install hardware alsa etc |
| 06:00.57 | chealer | staniel: you don't need to stay here neither |
| 06:00.59 | bob2 | tiger1020x: if it's something like "compile the nvidia module", then you don't need the source |
| 06:01.00 | cyberlok | ok bob2 here ya go... no dice but this is getting interesting |
| 06:01.01 | cyberlok | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sIhpff25.nln.html |
| 06:01.05 | bob2 | tiger1020x: then you don't need the source at all |
| 06:01.16 | bob2 | tiger1020x: helping you is a lot easier if you just say what you're trying to do |
| 06:01.16 | cyberlok | if you give up I wont be hurt |
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| 06:01.27 | bob2 | staniel: ok! |
| 06:01.50 | tiger1020x | compile webcam alsa driver and anything at all hardware related fail with a simple image |
| 06:01.53 | bob2 | !+find webmin/custom/config |
| 06:01.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:01.55 | bob2 | tiger1020x: yes, indeed |
| 06:02.04 | bob2 | tiger1020x: you need to install the kernel-headers package for your kernel |
| 06:02.09 | Kupal[]__ | tiger1020x: if I where you I would download the latest kernel for your arch, and get its source aswell and let the nvidia install do the rest... that way you can download any nvidia source you want and experiment a bit. |
| 06:02.14 | bob2 | tiger1020x: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:02.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'webmin/custom/config' (1): (/etc/webmin/custom/config, /usr/share/webmin/custom/{config.info|config.info.ca|config.info.de|...}) in admin/webmin-core. |
| 06:02.21 | Kupal[]__ | tiger1020x: but if not do what bob2 says cause its the debian way. |
| 06:02.33 | bob2 | it's not the Debian Way |
| 06:02.39 | _morbid_ | staniel: whats your question? |
| 06:02.44 | Kupal[]__ | oh .. |
| 06:02.44 | bob2 | it's the do-far-less-fucking-around way |
| 06:02.51 | meez | I erased my LILO boot when I added a new hard drive. I have a dual boot system. Can I restore LILO? My boot disk died as well. |
| 06:03.11 | bob2 | meez: boot into it using a boot floppy/cd, rerun "lilo" |
| 06:03.15 | tiger1020x | i love the debian way but not for kernel upgrades and stock kernel.org kernels fail hard |
| 06:03.26 | bob2 | cyberlok: try dpkg --force-depends -i /var/cache/blah |
| 06:03.35 | staniel | _morbid_: im using CUPS for printing, and samba to share it to my windows comps. whenever I submit a job over samba it takes forever to do. an hour for a 3 page document |
| 06:03.37 | bob2 | tiger1020x: hrm? it works fine for kernel.org kernels. |
| 06:03.38 | cyberlok | where blah == ? |
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| 06:03.50 | bob2 | cyberlok: the path to the file from before |
| 06:03.54 | cyberlok | roger |
| 06:03.59 | tiger1020x | all i wanna do if use a 2.6 kernel for drm for my sis card and have everything else work as well |
| 06:04.06 | tiger1020x | sory typo |
| 06:04.07 | bob2 | tiger1020x: awesome |
| 06:04.11 | _morbid_ | staniel: sure it isnt a reverse lookup error? |
| 06:04.11 | bob2 | 16:02:15 bob2 | tiger1020x: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:04.12 | grivell | tiger1020x: kernel-sources are nicely patched. Not had a problem. |
| 06:04.13 | Kensey | the Debian mirrors are still empty for unstable/binary-i386. Any idea when they'll be restored? |
| 06:04.15 | bob2 | then compile it away |
| 06:04.21 | staniel | _morbid_: ? |
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| 06:04.33 | _morbid_ | staniel: the server trying to lookup client's ip |
| 06:04.39 | _morbid_ | staniel: and never find it |
| 06:04.41 | mwilson | Kensey: What's supposed to be in them? |
| 06:04.51 | _morbid_ | staniel: some services needs to know who is connecting |
| 06:05.03 | Kensey | mwilson: a boatload of packages. |
| 06:05.06 | tiger1020x | what kernel ? i used an arch specified one |
| 06:05.06 | staniel | _morbid_: it should be finding it, they can ping one another |
| 06:05.15 | mwilson | Kensey: Or any idea why anyone in authority in Debian would know, since they don't own the mirrors? |
| 06:05.18 | bob2 | Kensey: no debian mirror will have packages in a dir with a name like that |
| 06:05.25 | _morbid_ | staniel: a 'host ip' will return something? |
| 06:05.27 | bob2 | Kensey: packages go in pool/ |
| 06:05.33 | bob2 | Kensey: unless you mean the installer sutff |
| 06:05.36 | mwilson | bob2: But... but... he says they should! :) |
| 06:05.46 | _morbid_ | staniel: ie, host 192.168.1.1 could return 'gateway' |
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| 06:05.59 | tiger1020x | what would apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.* do? |
| 06:06.05 | staniel | umm... yeah? |
| 06:06.11 | bob2 | tiger1020x: nothing useful for you |
| 06:06.13 | Kensey | well. it used to be if you looked in debian/dists/<dist>/main/binary-i386, you got a list of packages. |
| 06:06.22 | xtapo | no borked in sid? |
| 06:06.25 | meez | bob2: can i use a boot disk from the debian site? mine doesn't work anymore. |
| 06:06.28 | bob2 | Kensey: the Packages files, right |
| 06:06.40 | Kensey | yeah, that's all that's there |
| 06:06.48 | Kensey | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ for example |
| 06:06.49 | bob2 | Kensey: that's all that should be there |
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| 06:06.54 | mwilson | What else do you think is supposed to be there? |
| 06:06.54 | bob2 | Debian moved to package pools in like 1999 |
| 06:06.55 | cyberlok | bob2 did not work... redoing a apt-get clean etc etc making sure I start fresh and on a known starting point then rerunning your command |
| 06:07.04 | tiger1020x | i guess i should just use a stock kernel from kernel.org |
| 06:07.09 | staniel | _morbid_: each of my comps have a hostname set on them, if that is what you are asking |
| 06:07.10 | bob2 | tiger1020x: why? |
| 06:07.15 | bob2 | tiger1020x: what is wrong with what I suggested? |
| 06:07.16 | staniel | they aren't hiding thier ips |
| 06:07.25 | bob2 | Kensey: http://ftp.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 06:07.28 | tiger1020x | things can't compile that a HUGE problem |
| 06:07.42 | bob2 | tiger1020x: can you rephrase that sentence? |
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| 06:07.54 | tiger1020x | sorry a lil buzzing |
| 06:08.05 | Kensey | mwilson: the packages and/or symlinks used to actually exist there, not so long ago. I'm pretty sure I was downloading stuff from there at least as late as 2002 |
| 06:08.09 | tiger1020x | i already tried that |
| 06:08.15 | mwilson | Kensey: You werent. |
| 06:08.19 | bob2 | tiger1020x: and? |
| 06:08.25 | bob2 | Kensey: they've been gone for a very long time |
| 06:08.27 | tiger1020x | but theres an upgrade to my specific kernel maybe a bug |
| 06:08.32 | staniel | _morbid_: smbstatus comes back with this: 2416 dan dan crunchie (192.168.5.10) <- I am assuming that is my print job since this is the only thing that is conencting to the server right now |
| 06:08.42 | mwilson | Kensey: Not that what you might or might not have been doing more than three years ago is any sort of issue. |
| 06:08.47 | Kensey | mwilson: the practical aspect of it is, where do I point jigdo to create an ISO? |
| 06:08.52 | tiger1020x | 2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 06:08.55 | tiger1020x | that one |
| 06:09.06 | mwilson | Kensey: Where the .jigdo file tells it to go, of course. |
| 06:09.08 | _morbid_ | staniel: some services needs client ip's to be resolved |
| 06:09.12 | cyberlok | ok bob2 this is after a clean command and update command and upgrade |
| 06:09.14 | cyberlok | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UEIUIW34.nln.html |
| 06:09.16 | bob2 | cyberlok: I dunno then, sorry |
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| 06:09.24 | cyberlok | yeah no worries |
| 06:09.24 | staniel | _morbid_: well, how do you want me to test that? |
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| 06:09.39 | cyberlok | been doing stable myself for years and thought I bounce it just in case I missed something here |
| 06:09.45 | bob2 | cyberlok: nothing in woody should have file conflicts like that, tho |
| 06:09.47 | bob2 | which is very weird |
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| 06:09.56 | _morbid_ | staniel: do a 'host 192.168.1.1' where host is a command and 192.168.1.1 an ip |
| 06:09.58 | michal_ | anyone here happen to know anything about aui to rj45 network transceivers? |
| 06:10.09 | cyberlok | the deb it is referencing is from woody from an official mirror |
| 06:10.14 | mwilson | <sigh> What about them? |
| 06:10.17 | Kensey | mwilson: which then leads to the question, "how do I get a .jigdo file to create an ISO from the unstable distribution"? |
| 06:10.20 | staniel | _morbid_: host command not found |
| 06:10.21 | cyberlok | I could try changing the source lists Just In Case |
| 06:10.30 | cyberlok | if I find out ill let ya know what I did |
| 06:10.35 | cyberlok | just a FYI |
| 06:10.35 | mwilson | Kensey: Why would you want to waste your time doing something that stupid? |
| 06:10.58 | Kensey | because testing doesn't have current enough versions of packages I apparently need. |
| 06:10.59 | staniel | _morbid_: nm |
| 06:11.03 | bob2 | Kensey: http://www.nl.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 06:11.12 | bob2 | Kensey: replacing testing with unstable should work |
| 06:11.20 | fusQuanto | i have two debian comptuers, one of them i can do CTRL+U and it cleras the line in for example, xchat, adn firefox, hte other , a brand new installatoin of sid, cannot.. what gives? |
| 06:11.21 | tiger1020x | bob2; can i do wajig or apt get install kernel source make menuconfig make *** and have it work? |
| 06:11.25 | Kensey | hm. thx bob2 |
| 06:11.53 | staniel | _morbid_: comes back with the name, address and alias |
| 06:11.54 | bob2 | fusQuanto: it's a config option |
| 06:11.59 | bob2 | apparently |
| 06:12.05 | fusQuanto | what doy you mean! |
| 06:12.07 | fusQuanto | config where |
| 06:12.11 | bob2 | tiger1020x: yes, but why? |
| 06:12.20 | michal_ | if i bought a terminal server with an aui network connection and used one of these rj45/aui transceivers (are they all the same?) could I then connect it to a 10/100 rj45 switch and use it via tcp from a linux machine? |
| 06:12.25 | tiger1020x | i told you i can't compile anything |
| 06:12.32 | _morbid_ | staniel: so the problem should not be it |
| 06:12.33 | _morbid_ | hehehe |
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| 06:12.40 | mwilson | bob2: When did there start being unstable jigdo(s)? |
| 06:13.02 | cyberlok | bob2 got it |
| 06:13.06 | cyberlok | after all your work |
| 06:13.12 | crackhead | for some reasone when I do apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) it says it Couldn't find the package |
| 06:13.18 | bob2 | cyberlok: what was it? |
| 06:13.24 | cyberlok | doing a dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/webmin_* |
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| 06:13.26 | Kensey | bob2: doesn't seem to have a tree set up for unstable |
| 06:13.29 | cyberlok | fallowed by a remove |
| 06:13.30 | staniel | _morbid_: :( so whats next on the list to check? |
| 06:13.31 | Kensey | ah well. |
| 06:13.32 | bob2 | crackhead: you'd need to paste the whole error to #flood |
| 06:13.34 | cyberlok | then a install again |
| 06:13.35 | fusQuanto | boob2: what config doy ou mean when you say CTRL+U is a config thing... it hought it was just a general nix thing |
| 06:13.38 | cyberlok | works great |
| 06:13.45 | mwilson | Kensey: Why do you think you need unstable? |
| 06:13.46 | bob2 | fusQuanto: no, it's not a unix thing |
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| 06:14.00 | bob2 | Kensey: hrm, ok |
| 06:14.01 | cyberlok | all webmin systems still check out |
| 06:14.15 | cyberlok | your the best |
| 06:14.25 | tiger1020x | bob2 do you know a safe kernel image 2.6 and headers? |
| 06:14.31 | fusQuanto | boob2: how bout addressing hte first half of what i said :) btw ctrl+u works in the shell... |
| 06:14.32 | _morbid_ | staniel: I am not familiar with cups, this is a usual problem in all services |
| 06:14.39 | bob2 | Kensey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/04/msg00145.html |
| 06:14.44 | staniel | _morbid_: its not cups though |
| 06:14.49 | Kensey | mwilson: I have a mix of packages that come from stable, testing and unstable and I need to install a version of mplayer that's linked against libraries in unstable. |
| 06:14.51 | bob2 | cyberlok: ah, cool |
| 06:15.13 | staniel | _morbid_: its more the region of samba that is causing the problems |
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| 06:15.21 | bob2 | fusQuanto: yes, I know it works in the shell, but every single application decides their own keybindings |
| 06:15.30 | michal_ | guess i have to blindly purchase both the terminal server and a transceiver and hope for the best :/ |
| 06:15.30 | bob2 | fusQuanto: it's apparently a gnome config option in gconf somewhere |
| 06:15.31 | cyberlok | basically pulled a night of the living dead for me and got it punched out very excellent thank you again |
| 06:15.44 | bob2 | fusQuanto: except in firefox which makes you do it in about:config or something |
| 06:15.53 | mwilson | Kensey: And for that, you for some reason think you need to download entire CD's worth of stuff? |
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| 06:16.03 | fusQuanto | bob2, k... ctrl + backspace sorta is a substitute |
| 06:16.22 | kulkys | como hago un tracer ?? |
| 06:16.33 | kulkys | traceroute?? |
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| 06:16.49 | Kensey | mwilson: with the dependencies involved in upgrading what I need, I just about have to download the whole tree anyway. I might as well do it at work on a T1 and make a CD set. |
| 06:16.56 | fusQuanto | boob2 just out of curiosity, what do linuxers and FSers like yourself do for a living/make $? |
| 06:16.58 | grivell | mwilson: buscard iso's with small change to source.list not as fun ;) |
| 06:16.58 | tiger1020x | thanks guys |
| 06:17.05 | chealer | !es |
| 06:17.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:17.06 | tiger1020x | later on |
| 06:17.28 | Dashiva | hey i just reinstalled debian unstable and now I have no audio output whatsoever...the drivers loaded correctly, all the volume is up, xmms is even playing an mp3 (shows on the equalizer) just no output from anything....seen this lately |
| 06:17.28 | mwilson | grivell: Whatever that was supposed to mean. |
| 06:17.28 | bob2 | fusQuanto: I work for canonical |
| 06:17.28 | bob2 | fusQuanto: before that I was a poor uni student |
| 06:17.33 | renegad3 | Dashiva, plug in the speakers ;) |
| 06:17.42 | rob^ | fusQuanto, administer networks |
| 06:17.50 | Dashiva | speakers are plugged in, tried two different soundcards |
| 06:17.54 | fusQuanto | bob2, ic, did you major in compsci? |
| 06:17.59 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: How many sound cards do you have? |
| 06:18.00 | bob2 | fusQuanto: yeah |
| 06:18.07 | bob2 | fusQuanto: haven't finished it yet tho ;) |
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| 06:18.09 | Dashiva | one at a time |
| 06:18.15 | fusQuanto | bob2, me too :) im in law school now though haha |
| 06:18.15 | cyberlok | unfortunately I support a platform that runs on windows servers |
| 06:18.22 | michal_ | just because it says "AUI to UTP (RJ-45) Transceiver for Cisco 2500" doesn't mean it will only work with a Cisco 2500 does it? looks like a normal transceiver |
| 06:18.29 | bob2 | fusQuanto: haha |
| 06:18.30 | Dashiva | sound works fine in windows...hell it worked fine in unstable until i reinstalled |
| 06:18.32 | fusQuanto | bob2 where did/do you go |
| 06:18.34 | crackhead | bob2: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WGCiv537.html |
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| 06:18.39 | bob2 | fusQuanto: www.anu.edu.au |
| 06:18.39 | cyberlok | use to work for codeweavers and some of the other good linux companies before they got crushed a bit |
| 06:18.52 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: Do you have an onboard card? |
| 06:18.57 | bob2 | cyberlok: oh, dang |
| 06:19.01 | bob2 | cyberlok: that must have been cool |
| 06:19.04 | Dashiva | i've tried it with both my audigy and the onboard sound |
| 06:19.04 | mwilson | <sigh> lilo maintainer is insane again |
| 06:19.10 | fusQuanto | i just never understood how opensource can be profitable other than by providign support services |
| 06:19.25 | bob2 | fusQuanto: there's a lot of money in support |
| 06:19.37 | Dashiva | it's utterly baffling |
| 06:19.41 | bob2 | it's not just "How do I do $blah?" |
| 06:19.44 | fusQuanto | bob2 nah its all in india now :( |
| 06:19.56 | Dashiva | i'm thinking maybe something wrong with the alsa/hotplug scripts |
| 06:20.05 | jrr | i lost power during a big apt-get upgrade and now it is very broken. |
| 06:20.17 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: Find out if the two cards are being used |
| 06:20.17 | bob2 | fusQuanto: support includes stuff like "here's a bucket of money, we want you to make it do $blah" |
| 06:20.27 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: Use only one |
| 06:20.33 | jrr | first symptom was a missing /var/lib/dpkg/status. touching that allows me to apt-get upgrade |
| 06:20.35 | bob2 | crackhead: guess you're not running the latest kernel |
| 06:20.46 | bob2 | jrr: that's bad |
| 06:20.51 | fusQuanto | bob2 yah custom made open source stuff? but the company will prolly not want it to be open |
| 06:21.03 | Dashiva | that's not the issue |
| 06:21.06 | crackhead | bob2: I installed from the sarge installer |
| 06:21.08 | mwilson | jrr: Restore your backup. |
| 06:21.10 | jrr | bob2: so it seems. now i've got some circular problems |
| 06:21.11 | bob2 | fusQuanto: hm, depends i guess |
| 06:21.16 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: Disable the onboard card in setup |
| 06:21.19 | bob2 | fusQuanto: cygnus made a ton of money doing free sutff |
| 06:21.20 | crackhead | bob2 ..about 30 minutes ago |
| 06:21.25 | bob2 | crackhead: hah |
| 06:21.26 | Dashiva | i've done all that |
| 06:21.40 | Dashiva | i'm not an idiot |
| 06:21.45 | jrr | i'll just start over with debian-amd64 when new toys come in next week. oh well. |
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| 06:21.58 | crackhead | bob2: any suggestions on how to install the 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:22.06 | bob2 | crackhead: ah, right |
| 06:22.18 | fusQuanto | bob2, koo. everyone tells me to do patent law since i havva cs degree lol |
| 06:22.20 | crackhead | fusQuanto: don't you hang out in utcs? |
| 06:22.20 | bob2 | crackhead: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 06:22.27 | fusQuanto | crackhead, yah |
| 06:22.41 | fusQuanto | who r u? |
| 06:22.43 | crackhead | fusQuanto : SUP FOOOOL |
| 06:22.45 | fusQuanto | i mean who are you |
| 06:23.26 | fusQuanto | oh |
| 06:23.33 | fusQuanto | are you on efnet too |
| 06:23.42 | fusQuanto | efnet #utcs is more happenin than hte one on this net |
| 06:23.55 | fusQuanto | what year are you crackhead ? |
| 06:24.00 | crackhead | haven't been in there in a while |
| 06:24.03 | crackhead | senior |
| 06:24.04 | fusQuanto | <-- utcs alum |
| 06:24.07 | omi | does anyone know what happent to pixieplus ? I remember using it for things like batch rotation but now I can't apt-get install it :( |
| 06:24.17 | fusQuanto | there was another fellow utcser here, kawfee, havent heard from him in awhile |
| 06:24.18 | fusQuanto | kaw |
| 06:24.27 | crackhead | fusQuanto : yeah I think you were the one who gave me my gmail account |
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| 06:24.33 | fusQuanto | oh haha |
| 06:24.44 | fusQuanto | [00:25] * [crackhead] (mlm@blackbox.clarkk.net): mmasters@gmail.com |
| 06:24.53 | fusQuanto | i hvaent logged into gmail in months |
| 06:24.55 | fusQuanto | i like my yahoo |
| 06:25.02 | crackhead | hehehe |
| 06:25.27 | Flavio-BA | Dashiva: Check the mixer settings, if they have options like Exchange Dac, my sound mutes if this option is used |
| 06:25.45 | ireverentReveren | i installed postfix in order to send mail from a phpbb (amoung other things) but when i attempt to send mail through phpbb to a user via postfix, my mailserver is returning the following error:"Ran into problems sending Mail. Response: 550 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table " what do i need to do to correct this? |
| 06:26.04 | Synapse- | ireverentReveren: Configure postfix properly? |
| 06:26.19 | crackhead | bob2 :any suggestion on how to determine which 2.6 kernel to install? |
| 06:26.28 | bob2 | crackhead: the latest one, I guess |
| 06:26.33 | Synapse- | ireverentReveren: What configuration have you done? |
| 06:26.36 | bob2 | I don't have a sarge system here to find wht |
| 06:26.39 | ireverentReveren | Synapse- i suppose my next question is what did i set up wrong? I was able to send mail from that box via mutt to a hotmail account |
| 06:26.40 | bob2 | what that is |
| 06:26.44 | fusQuanto | for everyone setting up outgoing mail servers for your own use i recommend getting an email thingy from godaddy.com, you get yourname@blah.com and your own outgoing server to use anywyhere for frikkin 10 bux a YEAR |
| 06:26.56 | bob2 | heh |
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| 06:26.59 | Synapse- | hrm. |
| 06:27.01 | ireverentReveren | Synapse- the configuration that runs through when i apt-get install postfix |
| 06:27.17 | Synapse- | I did some more when i configed. |
| 06:27.24 | Synapse- | And it works fine with phpBB |
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| 06:27.32 | bob2 | wow |
| 06:27.40 | bob2 | \someone actually just said "asl?" to me |
| 06:27.41 | ireverentReveren | fusQuanto that is an option, but setting up my own is much more fun |
| 06:27.44 | bob2 | in a non-humours way |
| 06:27.46 | Synapse- | Well, actually, I haven't used phpBB on that server. |
| 06:27.53 | fusQuanto | ireverentReveren, yah yah i did that too |
| 06:28.00 | fusQuanto | ireverentReveren, its only fun if your time is free |
| 06:28.00 | bob2 | ireverentReveren: did you configure it to use a smarthost? |
| 06:28.18 | ireverentReveren | bob2 no i did not. I did "internet site" |
| 06:28.20 | Synapse- | ireverentReveren: do you want a peek at my configs? |
| 06:28.28 | ireverentReveren | Synapse- that would be nice. |
| 06:28.51 | Synapse- | let me just fubar anything which I don't want to publicise. |
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| 06:29.18 | ireverentReveren | Synapse- fair enough |
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| 06:33.36 | rares000 | if I have lilo running and I install grub and do grub-install /dev/hda shouldn't that give the menu when it boots |
| 06:33.38 | gazzu | I think I just scrued my computer > typed: apt-get upgrade mozilla , I hinted yes to continue and now is dounloadin about 300 MB in to my hard disk, Is that realy bad if I cancel now it is almost 10% so fat |
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| 06:34.19 | bob2 | gazzu: er, that command is meaningless |
| 06:34.27 | bob2 | upgrade doesn't take any arguments |
| 06:34.33 | MobyTurbo | gazzu: "upgrade" isn't something you run for a signel passage |
| 06:34.33 | omi | lol |
| 06:34.35 | bob2 | if you want to stop it, just hit ctrl-c |
| 06:34.37 | MobyTurbo | package |
| 06:34.37 | servlet | 没有人说ä¸æ–‡? |
| 06:34.41 | omi | apt-get install mozila |
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| 06:35.38 | zhuyb | #flood |
| 06:35.43 | gazzu | ok, already stoped! is that all? |
| 06:35.49 | bob2 | yes |
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| 06:36.13 | crackhead | when you download the kernel sources...where does in get placed? |
| 06:36.15 | gazzu | ok, thanks GUYS! |
| 06:36.26 | bob2 | crackhead: /usr/src/ |
| 06:36.27 | Synapse- | crackhead: /usr/src |
| 06:36.34 | crackhead | thanks! |
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| 06:38.42 | gazzu | MobyTurbo: what it would be a good reason to run upgrade ? |
| 06:38.51 | Flavio-BA | /nickserv |
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| 06:40.02 | renegad3 | ive never setup bind in debian before... but im guessing this would be the procedure. edit /etc/bind/named.conf.local (add my record for my domain) then put my zone and reverse files in /etc/bind. would that be right? |
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| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | root@0[zhuyb]# LANG=en_US apt-get install mplayer-586 |
| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 06:40.50 | zhuyb | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
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| 06:41.27 | bob2 | renegad3: yes |
| 06:41.48 | renegad3 | it just seems very weird for me bob2 |
| 06:42.01 | renegad3 | its a bit different to fc2/3 |
| 06:42.13 | renegad3 | thanks bob2 ;D |
| 06:42.17 | crackhead | what is the kernel output tree? |
| 06:42.40 | BadMan | if I have to install libasound2-dev is there something I need to reinstall to make the alsa modules available for games? |
| 06:42.44 | bob2 | renegad3: how so? |
| 06:42.46 | gravity | "kernel output tree"? |
| 06:42.53 | crackhead | you got me |
| 06:43.04 | bob2 | BadMan: it has nothing to do with the "alsa modules" |
| 06:43.09 | bob2 | BadMan: you need to setup your kernel for that |
| 06:43.10 | gravity | That doesn't really make any sense |
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| 06:43.21 | renegad3 | in fc2/3 you edit /etc/named.conf then your records are stored in /var/named/ |
| 06:43.35 | BadMan | bob2: how do I go about that? |
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| 06:43.55 | BadMan | bob2: gota howto someplace? |
| 06:44.00 | zhuyb | I have a problem |
| 06:44.06 | bob2 | BadMan: just use a modern kernel |
| 06:44.10 | bob2 | BadMan: 2.6 includes alsa |
| 06:44.13 | crackhead | I'm installing the nvidia nforce drivers and it says that it is "Unable to find the kernel output tree for the currently running kernel. If you know the correct kernel output path, you may specify it with the '--kernel-output-path' commandline option." |
| 06:44.25 | seberino | anyone ever program with libpcap? |
| 06:44.27 | BadMan | Im using 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 06:44.28 | bob2 | crackhead: you don't need to install the kernel source for that |
| 06:44.33 | bob2 | seberino: #c'd be a better place to ask |
| 06:44.40 | bob2 | anyway, have fun |
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| 06:44.56 | ireverentReveren | ok, i found a fix for hte local user issue, but now postfix is complaining about "Relay access denied |
| 06:44.57 | ireverentReveren | " |
| 06:45.19 | crackhead | bob2: it was complaining about not having the kernel sources earlier. i had to specify the path with --kernel-source-path |
| 06:45.25 | zhuyb | when I install mplayer-586 using apt-get install mplayer-586 ,an error ocurred ," mplayer-586: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050222-0.0) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 06:45.38 | renegad3 | bob2, im using a global domain(external). would I still add the record in named.conf.local? |
| 06:45.47 | renegad3 | or could I use the named.conf? |
| 06:46.08 | crackhead | ...which seemed to complain when I gave it /usr/src. I had to give it /root/kernel/linux-2.6.11.5 |
| 06:46.10 | renegad3 | which ever way it still would work wouldnt it? but im not sure about security risk and what not |
| 06:46.24 | bob2 | renegad3: eh? read the comments in the file. |
| 06:46.36 | bob2 | zhuyb: are you using ubuntu? |
| 06:46.56 | zhuyb | bob2: I 'am using debian. |
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| 06:48.23 | stuartSan | guys, a DE runs on top of a WM right? |
| 06:48.28 | zhuyb | :bob2,I'm using hiweed. |
| 06:48.34 | ahmad | can i get speedstep to work on a P4??? |
| 06:48.48 | rares000 | stuartSan: it runs on the side |
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| 06:49.23 | stuartSan | rares000, okay then, xfce is my DE. what difference would it make getting fvwm compared to my base x-window-system? |
| 06:49.49 | rares000 | it would xfce + fvwm |
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| 06:50.24 | bob2 | zhuyb: then talk to the hiweed people |
| 06:50.54 | bob2 | zhuyb: don't /msg me |
| 06:50.57 | gravity | What's with all these Debian-derivatives popping up? |
| 06:51.00 | bob2 | gravity: chinese debian-derivative |
| 06:51.02 | stuartSan | what does a WM offer anyways since xfce seems to have nearly everything already in a windows-like-enviroment |
| 06:51.24 | ahmad | no frequency scaling modules can be loaded!! is there a fix/work around?? |
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| 06:51.30 | zhuyb | :bob2 ,could you tell me where is the hiweed people? |
| 06:51.31 | gravity | bob2: Ah... ffs... just hire some translators to translate Debian packages |
| 06:51.37 | gravity | Fucking stupid shit |
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| 06:51.56 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: Try p4-clockmod |
| 06:51.57 | individuality | hi, do you know why FOO="echo 1 && echo 2" $FOO outputs "1 && echo 2" and not "1\n2" ? |
| 06:52.14 | gazzu | how I know I have to run apt-get upgrade ? |
| 06:52.14 | bob2 | zhuyb: no idea |
| 06:52.21 | bob2 | gravity: yeah |
| 06:52.52 | hcy | hi, I just booted up my computer, and trying to start mozilla it says that it can't start with the default profile because it's already in use. But that's impossible - I just booted up and have no other instance of mozilla running. any ideas? |
| 06:52.58 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: I'm using it right now, but it's been reported it does not do actual frequency scaling, it only helps cooling down the cpu |
| 06:53.01 | stuartSan | gazzu, after you've edited your sources.list |
| 06:53.02 | C17H21NO4 | individuality: try FOO="`echo 1 && echo 2`" |
| 06:53.21 | individuality | i'll try |
| 06:53.27 | gravity | gazzu: Just use aptitude. Every time you update it, it'll tell you if there are updated packages to download. |
| 06:53.38 | gravity | gazzu: Or dselect. Either way, use a real frontend and not apt-get |
| 06:53.54 | stuartSan | apt-get rocks your world! |
| 06:53.55 | bob2 | hcy: remove the lock file |
| 06:54.05 | bob2 | hcy: .mozilla/firefox/default.blah/lock |
| 06:54.21 | Flavio-BA | hcy: Have you shutdown your computer correctly? |
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| 06:54.42 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: How about scaling with acpi. |
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| 06:55.08 | hcy | Flavio-BA, bob2: you may be right - last time my computer did *not* shut down correctly, I'll try removing that lock file... |
| 06:55.11 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: acpi frequency module refuses to load |
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| 06:55.44 | ahmad | other acpi modules load successfully though, except thermal: loads but does not report |
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| 06:56.25 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: processor doesn't load? |
| 06:56.40 | gobbles | anyone know how to force a new framebuffer with grub ? |
| 06:56.42 | hcy | ok, i did that, that worked. thanks so much. interesting, "lock" appeared to be a symlink? " lock -> 127.0.0.1:2653" |
| 06:56.46 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: it does |
| 06:57.00 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: all acpi modules load fine |
| 06:57.13 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: but acpi frequency scaling does not |
| 06:57.20 | zhuyb | :bob2 ,I think this problem has nothing to do with what debian-derivative ,can you tell me if i using ubuntu,how can i do to solve this problem? |
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| 06:57.32 | bob2 | zhuyb: sorry, you're wrong |
| 06:57.39 | bob2 | zhuyb: talk to whoever actually uses hiweed |
| 06:57.58 | zhuyb | :bob2 ,ok ,thank you . |
| 06:58.02 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: What acpi frequency module are you referring to? |
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| 06:58.32 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi |
| 06:58.57 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: no /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling? |
| 06:58.58 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: vs. p4-clockmod, speedstep-ich |
| 06:59.05 | _morbid_ | how to call debconf to reconfigure a package? |
| 06:59.35 | _morbid_ | I've read a lot of the problem of the sun type5 keyboard in google, but didnt find an answer |
| 06:59.35 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: throttling is there |
| 06:59.36 | _morbid_ | :( |
| 06:59.56 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: but reading the cpu frequency ALWAYS gives the max. frequency |
| 07:00.03 | Flavio-BA | _morbid_: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 07:00.16 | kulkys | Gtk-WARNING **: Imposible encontrar el motor de estilos en module_path: «industrial ???? |
| 07:00.22 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: this is expected from p4-clockmod as documented there |
| 07:00.29 | kulkys | what is ?? |
| 07:00.35 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: how about echo 3 /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling |
| 07:00.49 | _morbid_ | Flavio-BA: thanks Brazilian guy |
| 07:01.00 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: one has to have a real frequency scaling module such as speedstep-centrino or acpi |
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| 07:01.25 | kulkys | help please |
| 07:01.34 | individuality | C17H21NO4: the FOO="`echo 1 && echo 2`" $FOO executes the `xxx` first and then try to execute the result. i have a script in which my commands are randomly built and want then to be executed. |
| 07:01.58 | gravity | Ok... why didn't anyone tell me about the shell operators {} before? |
| 07:02.24 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: mmm, then I may have the same problem as you on my wife's laptop... |
| 07:02.30 | gravity | No cookies for any of you |
| 07:03.26 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:03.32 | bob2 | they do indeed rock |
| 07:03.38 | gobbles | anyone know how to force a new framebuffer with grub ? |
| 07:03.47 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: u can check on /proc/cpuinfo. it's always the max. freq. |
| 07:03.54 | gravity | bob2: I personally blame you for keeping their rocking-ness from me |
| 07:04.05 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 07:04.21 | bob2 | gravity: clearly it's ubuntu's fault, like everything else in Debian |
| 07:04.24 | gravity | lol |
| 07:04.40 | gravity | Yes, yes it is. You've stolen all our {}'s and given none of them back |
| 07:05.00 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: ahh, do you know the name of the acpi freq module? |
| 07:05.12 | gravity | C0ns1racy |
| 07:05.30 | seberino | how send a single udp packet at a remote pc? |
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| 07:05.56 | kulkys | help what it is Gtk-WARNING **: Imposible encontrar el motor de estilos en module_path: «industrial», |
| 07:06.01 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: its name is acpi |
| 07:06.16 | bob2 | seberino: tcptraceroute. |
| 07:07.10 | seberino | bob2: traceroute monitors travels...perhaps nmap creates and sends udp? |
| 07:07.24 | bob2 | seberino: shockingly, it does that by sending packets |
| 07:07.27 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: when i do modprobe acpi, i get No such device, Device or resource busy of p4-clockmod is already loaded |
| 07:08.01 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: What if you unload p4-clockmod? |
| 07:08.16 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: No such device |
| 07:08.30 | kulkys | I am crazy for this error |
| 07:08.35 | kulkys | =( |
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| 07:08.58 | seberino | bob2: i skimmed manpage for traceroute...there was stuff to send udps...you were right...i'm not sure if it can send /custom/ udps however...isn't that what nmap is for? |
| 07:09.07 | bob2 | no |
| 07:09.10 | bob2 | nmap is for scanning |
| 07:09.12 | kulkys | sorry for my english i am chileno¡¡ |
| 07:09.23 | kulkys | I speak spanich |
| 07:09.23 | bob2 | Id be surprised if it had an option for sending random data in packets |
| 07:09.54 | michal_ | anyone have any experience with cisco 1720 routers? I'm thinking of buying one for home |
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| 07:10.21 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: speedstep-smi? |
| 07:10.34 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: that's for P3 |
| 07:10.45 | kulkys | I need help |
| 07:10.51 | _morbid_ | a SMP box wont boot with a non-smp kernel? |
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| 07:11.31 | Flavio-BA | _morbid_: It will boot, but only using one processor |
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| 07:11.35 | gobbles | anyone know how to force a new framebuffer with grub ? |
| 07:11.44 | Tobias4847 | hi all |
| 07:12.16 | kulkys | anyone know this error Gtk-WARNING **: Imposible encontrar el motor de estilos en module_path: «industrial»,??? |
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| 07:12.28 | bob2 | kulkys: this is an english channel |
| 07:12.28 | _morbid_ | Flavio-BA: I have a sparc freezing in the kernel init here, maybe the computer itself is with problem. |
| 07:12.30 | michal_ | 1720's seem to be ridiculously expensive though :/ as are the adsl WICs for them |
| 07:12.48 | ahmad | has anyone managed to setup 3D acceleration for ATI radeon card?? |
| 07:12.51 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: Like I said, I have the same prob on my wife's laptop. The difference being mine is a p4-m and hers is just a p4. |
| 07:13.12 | michal_ | actually.. does anyone here know of ANY relatively inexpensive router that can do NAT at up to 10megabytes/second ?? |
| 07:13.15 | Flavio-BA | _morbid_: Never used anything but x86 |
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| 07:13.52 | Tobias4847 | Has anybody tried to boot from a USB pendrive? |
| 07:14.16 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: I have 3d working with both a m6 and m7 radeon. They both worked "out-of-the-box". |
| 07:14.20 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: if it is Mobile cpu (centrino), then speedstep-centrino module will work just fine |
| 07:14.27 | michal_ | fast networking seems to be for rich people only :/ |
| 07:14.43 | C17H21NO4 | I don't have a centrino |
| 07:15.05 | kulkys | bob2 = entiendo algo¡¡ |
| 07:15.05 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: mine uses the speedstep-ich |
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| 07:15.18 | kulkys | a few but =) |
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| 07:15.59 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: i've radeon mobility 9100 IGP, X works but no 3d accel. |
| 07:16.15 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: no DRI extensions |
| 07:16.23 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: I assume it's not disabled in the bios |
| 07:16.24 | Flavio-BA | _morbid_: Try another distro, kernel version |
| 07:16.51 | stuartSan | speaking of fast networking, my local isp started 1Mbit connections for USD25/mo. inclusive of modem, is that okay? |
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| 07:17.42 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: What module does it use? |
| 07:17.52 | jariep1_ | staurtSan, that's not a bad deal |
| 07:18.07 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: if speedstep-ich loads successfully then i think you're fine, it does not load for me. i think because i've a non-intel chipset (ati ixp) |
| 07:18.25 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: radeon |
| 07:18.34 | llama32 | how do i open my telnet port? |
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| 07:19.27 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: does agpgart load? |
| 07:19.33 | Flavio-BA | llama32: Are you running a telnet server? Are you running a firewall? |
| 07:19.34 | jariep1_ | stuartSan, you still there? |
| 07:19.38 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: yup |
| 07:19.54 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: i've ati_agp, agpgart loaded |
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| 07:20.09 | karsten | Oh dear... |
| 07:20.13 | karsten | $ lsh |
| 07:20.13 | Flavio-BA | llama32: Any way, why are you going to use telnet? Use ssh instead. |
| 07:20.18 | karsten | > dir | head |
| 07:20.20 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.25 | _morbid_ | Flavio-BA: I first have to configure X in the single processor machines :D |
| 07:20.38 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: both? Are you sure that they are not mutually exclusive? |
| 07:20.43 | karsten | lsh is a DOS-compatible shell. Sort of. |
| 07:21.21 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: don't know, but both are listed by lsmod |
| 07:21.41 | stuartSan | jariep1_, cool, then i'll be upgrading soon |
| 07:22.00 | stuartSan | jariep1_, currently i'm paying USD15-18 or so for 512kbps |
| 07:22.03 | gobbles | im stuck in vesafb |
| 07:22.13 | gobbles | how can i change this |
| 07:22.17 | Flavio-BA | _morbid_: I thought you could not boot the machines |
| 07:22.21 | stuartSan | inclusive of modem too, so if i happen to get struck by lightning they change it for free :D |
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| 07:23.00 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: drop out of X, unload radeon, ati_agp, and agpgart. load agpgart and startx |
| 07:23.04 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: in fact, agpgart depends on ati_agp |
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| 07:23.28 | gloin | Eh, what's a good mailer in terms of ease-of-setup for a debian server? |
| 07:23.58 | gloin | I need imap with tls, etc... |
| 07:23.59 | karsten | gloin: MTA or MUA? |
| 07:24.07 | karsten | gloin: ...exim, postfix. |
| 07:24.13 | gloin | karsten: thx |
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| 07:25.20 | gobbles | im stuck in vesafb |
| 07:25.47 | gobbles | anyone at all |
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| 07:26.20 | gobbles | i suppose i have to compile a kernel to get the correct framebuffer ? |
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| 07:28.17 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: won't unload agpgart or ati_agp, both return Module in use (X is stopped) |
| 07:28.35 | Flavio-BA | gobbles what is the framebuffer you want? If you are using grub edit the file /boot/grub/menu.conf or menu.lst, change the option in vga=x |
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| 07:29.22 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: is radeon still loaded? |
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| 07:29.59 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: no, but strangely, it did not have any dependency! |
| 07:31.29 | gobbles | im kinda lost, can i go back to lilo |
| 07:31.34 | Flavio-BA | ahmad: Maybe because it handles hardware aceleration only |
| 07:32.19 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: but hardware accel. has everything to do with agp bus |
| 07:32.19 | nevyn | if I want to do a tweak to grub what do I edit? |
| 07:32.37 | gobbles | at leaste in lilo.conf i could put "append=video="radeonfb" |
| 07:32.39 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: i cannot get ati_agp or agpgart to unload |
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| 07:33.01 | stuartSan | what exactly does a WM do if i already have a DE installed with x-window as my WM |
| 07:33.02 | gobbles | ls |
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| 07:33.35 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: I had a problem when I compiled my own xfree86-dri and radeon was loading before the agp modules, and 3d did not work. I had to put agpgart in /etc/modules |
| 07:33.51 | crackhead | I want to test my sound...can't I cat a file to /dev/{something} |
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| 07:34.08 | carrett | anyone know how i can get realone player deb packages? |
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| 07:34.09 | xk | crackhead: oss or alsa? |
| 07:34.12 | Flavio-BA | gobbles: Well, you can do that in grub also |
| 07:34.27 | Tr0||_DX | hi guy |
| 07:34.33 | Tr0||_DX | hey am kinda fuck here just did a fresh install and i messed up something cuz samba is install but none if its setting /etc/samba doesnt even exist . someone know what i should do |
| 07:34.47 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: you're saying you compiled xfree86-dri yourself? why did u need to do so? |
| 07:34.48 | C17H21NO4 | gobbles: add video=radeonfb to the kernel line |
| 07:34.49 | crackhead | xk: hmmmm...maybe |
| 07:34.51 | xk | Tr0||_DX: ls -la /etc/samba/ lists no files? |
| 07:35.02 | xk | crackhead: maybe is not an answer. you choose which one you have. |
| 07:35.15 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: many redhat days ago :) |
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| 07:35.18 | llama32 | can sum1 guide me thru letting ppl ssh and/or telnet [whichever's easiest, im not worried about security] into my computer? |
| 07:35.30 | xk | what's with the morons in this channel at this time of day/night? |
| 07:35.32 | xk | ;) |
| 07:35.34 | xk | LEARN TO SPELL |
| 07:35.39 | crackhead | xk: oooh |
| 07:35.46 | xk | STOP USING SUM1 AND CUZ |
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| 07:35.50 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: Just wondering if you are seeing something similar |
| 07:35.52 | stuartSan | !ppl |
| 07:35.53 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 07:35.57 | Tr0||_DX | well i does show 3 file |
| 07:36.04 | crackhead | xk: sorry..I was confused |
| 07:36.17 | xk | Tr0||_DX: so how can you saw you lost the configuration files? |
| 07:36.18 | T-mac | when i startx my mouse and keyboard are frozen on my laptop usless i have a keyboard plugged into my ps2 port. i think i may have set it up for the wrong mouse during install? |
| 07:36.21 | xk | s/saw/say/ |
| 07:36.23 | Tr0||_DX | but nothing related to samba work i always say /etc/samba/smb.conf unreadable |
| 07:36.26 | llama32 | xk: learn 2 stop carin :P |
| 07:36.38 | T-mac | i tried editing gpmconfig and changing repeater to raw but it didn't work |
| 07:36.39 | Tr0||_DX | it* |
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| 07:36.55 | xk | crackhead: ok... if you want to test sound, try xmms or mpg123. |
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| 07:36.59 | Gumby | does anyone know how to convert mp3 to wav? and then cut parts out of the wav? |
| 07:37.00 | T-mac | any other suggestions? |
| 07:37.00 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: ok, i found agpgart, ati_agp and radeon in /etc/modules, i'm removing them all now |
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| 07:37.09 | xk | Gumby: mpg123 -w blah.wav blah.mp3 |
| 07:37.18 | gobbles | i think i need a kernel cause this stock sarge 2.4.27 doesnt seem to support anything but vga |
| 07:37.26 | stuartSan | crackhead, visit the topic for setting up sound too. |
| 07:37.30 | crackhead | xk: actually /dev/alsa|oss aren't there |
| 07:37.43 | mogorman | morning |
| 07:37.51 | mogorman | anyone here good with linux routing? |
| 07:37.58 | xk | crackhead: /dev/dsp0 is for oss, /dev/adsp0 for alsa |
| 07:38.46 | bob2 | mogorman: best to just ask |
| 07:38.59 | mogorman | well i got this box with three nics and a wifi card |
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| 07:39.08 | xk | so 4 network interfaces? |
| 07:39.10 | mogorman | and i want to route traffic in from the first nic |
| 07:39.22 | mogorman | and have a shared network for the rest |
| 07:39.35 | mogorman | but if i get it working for the first nic |
| 07:39.40 | mogorman | i cant get the others to share |
| 07:39.44 | xk | sounds like a simple setup. just set defaultroute to the first nic. |
| 07:39.53 | mogorman | i just need help configuring routing and my dhcp.conf |
| 07:40.05 | xk | but... you do need NAT setup. |
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| 07:40.08 | mogorman | i cant get dhcpd to start i borked it somewhere |
| 07:40.09 | mogorman | yes |
| 07:40.13 | mogorman | i realize that |
| 07:40.22 | xk | dhcp is a waste of time, you're better off making everything static. |
| 07:40.24 | mogorman | also i want to be able to make one thing a dmz address |
| 07:40.32 | mogorman | i need dhcp for my setup |
| 07:40.36 | xk | why? |
| 07:41.01 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: hmm.. interesting!! none of them is loaded, and still X works!! |
| 07:41.02 | mogorman | i am using it to test a blackbox piece of hardware that only uses dhcp |
| 07:41.13 | mogorman | besides just thought it would be easier to have evreything on dhcp |
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| 07:41.33 | Gumby | xk:that gives me an error saying filename.wav does not exist |
| 07:41.34 | xk | it might be easier on the client side... but it's annoying to setup on the server side. |
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| 07:42.07 | mogorman | i know |
| 07:42.14 | xk | Gumby: well... dunno what mpg123 you're using... but my mpg123 says "-w filename" for wav output. |
| 07:42.16 | mogorman | but needless to say, i need dhcp |
| 07:42.20 | Gumby | xk: mpg123 -w "gtk-gnutella-downloads/complete/Rage Against The Machine - KnowYour Enemy.mp3" RATM-Know_Your_Enemy.wav "RATM-Know_Your_Enemy.wav: No such file or directory" |
| 07:42.28 | xk | no no no |
| 07:42.35 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: this means that none of them is being actually used!! how would i fix that?? |
| 07:42.36 | xk | mpg123 -w file.WAV file.MP3? |
| 07:42.37 | mogorman | i was gonna do monowall, but really prefer linux environment to freebsd |
| 07:42.49 | xk | do you see where the WAV file is, in relation to the MP3 file? |
| 07:43.35 | Gumby | th wav file doesnt currently exist |
| 07:43.37 | xk | mpg123 -w WAV_FILE_IS_FIRST MP3_IS_SECOND |
| 07:43.54 | xk | Gumby: your question was: "convert from mp3 to wav" |
| 07:44.00 | xk | now... how do you convert from to something? |
| 07:44.05 | xk | the from file _must_ exist. |
| 07:44.09 | xk | and that's the mp3 file, not hte wav file. |
| 07:44.18 | T-mac | question: when i startx my mouse and keyboard are frozen on my laptop unless i have a keyboard plugged into my ps2 port. i think i may have set it up for the wrong mouse during install? it's a trackpoint. i tried editing gpmconfig and changing repeater to raw and type to fups2 but it didn't work. can i try anything else? |
| 07:44.28 | gobbles | how do i set all dselect packs to recomended state ? |
| 07:44.34 | mogorman | so does anyone have time to walk me through it? |
| 07:44.42 | Gumby | xk: had tried both ways. tried without quotes and it worked. |
| 07:44.46 | Gumby | didnt seem to like quotes |
| 07:44.52 | xk | mogorman: is this blackbox hardware _required_ in setting up the 4 network interfaces? |
| 07:44.59 | mogorman | no, but i need dhcp |
| 07:45.03 | crackhead | how do I mount a music cd? |
| 07:45.06 | mogorman | so i just wanted it on all |
| 07:45.06 | ahmad | C17H21NO4: any ideas?? |
| 07:45.09 | xk | crackhead: you don't. |
| 07:45.17 | Gumby | xk: any idea of an app that can edit it with? ie) split the track at specific points |
| 07:45.22 | mogorman | for my 3 network interfaces and setup dhccp client for the other |
| 07:45.24 | crackhead | hmmmm...how do I mount a cd? |
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| 07:45.58 | xk | gumby; hrm... audacity? rezound? |
| 07:46.02 | mogorman | mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cd |
| 07:46.05 | mogorman | or whatver |
| 07:46.09 | mogorman | but you dont mount music |
| 07:46.09 | xk | crackhead: you can't mount an audio cd. |
| 07:46.13 | Gumby | xk: thx. I'll look into those |
| 07:46.39 | xk | mogorman: so what's your question wrt dhcp? what is the exact problem? |
| 07:46.45 | xk | mogorman: you don't know how? |
| 07:47.02 | crackhead | xk: then how do you play a cd in linux? |
| 07:47.15 | mogorman | i dont know how to enable my three interfaces to use dhcp server, and route out the other nic |
| 07:47.17 | crackhead | mogorman : that didn't work |
| 07:47.19 | mogorman | like dns |
| 07:47.20 | xk | crackhead: with the cd plugin with xmms... |
| 07:47.34 | mogorman | you cant mount music cds crackhead |
| 07:47.35 | crackhead | xk: I don't have X installed |
| 07:47.38 | xk | crackhead: personally, I'd rather rip the CD and play it straight. |
| 07:48.01 | xk | mogorman: you're trying to solve too many problems at once. |
| 07:48.05 | xk | mogorman: solve one at a time. |
| 07:48.08 | crackhead | xk: I downlaoded an mp3 but I can't play it in mpg123 |
| 07:48.30 | gobbles | how do i set all dselect packs to recomended state ? dselect says "U" but shif u doesnt work |
| 07:48.31 | mogorman | okay i have eth0 acting as a dhcp client |
| 07:48.34 | xk | crackhead: how can I help you when you don't know whether you're using oss or alsa? |
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| 07:48.44 | mogorman | now i need one network for the other 3 devices but dhcp |
| 07:49.12 | crackhead | xk: is there a way for me to figure it out? |
| 07:49.24 | cahoot | crackhead: if you have entries in /proc/asound you probably use alsa |
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| 07:49.31 | xk | crackhead: yes. if you've done nothing with respect to sound, you have nothing setup. |
| 07:49.33 | crackhead | I just installed the nvidia nforce drivers for sound |
| 07:49.57 | stuartSan | hm, is there a way i can make xfce play a sound when i make an error instead of beeping the pc speaker |
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| 07:50.08 | crackhead | cahoot : no /proc/asound |
| 07:50.23 | nevyn | crackhead: do you have discover installed? |
| 07:50.39 | crackhead | nevyn : yes |
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| 07:51.27 | crackhead | I see that nvsound module is loaded |
| 07:51.48 | markc | I just installed gcc-3.4 but there is still no gcc ... what's the next step ? |
| 07:51.55 | nevyn | nvsound ewww.. /me runs away from software reverb |
| 07:52.04 | christor | Hello , I would like to know, if I boot in the runlevel 3, are there only the /etc/rc3.d/.. which will be started? |
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| 07:52.31 | bytewlkr | what package are all the C/C++ library docs in?? like manual pages for fopen, etc |
| 07:52.36 | nevyn | christor: in debian runlevel 2-5 are identical unless you modified them |
| 07:53.00 | bob2 | bytewlkr: manpages-dev |
| 07:53.04 | bytewlkr | thanx |
| 07:53.15 | markc | how do I get a gcc binary or link after installing gcc-3.4 ? |
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| 07:53.29 | bob2 | markc: don't change the default |
| 07:53.32 | bob2 | that's just silly |
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| 07:53.37 | crackhead | mpg123 says: "Can't find a suitable libao driver"...any sugestions? |
| 07:53.48 | christor | nevyn: OK , if I put a script S99test in the rc2.d and that I start in the runlevel 5 , The S99test will be loaded? |
| 07:53.59 | nevyn | no it won't |
| 07:54.00 | markc | bob2> uhm, but I go to compile a kernel and I have NO gcc ? |
| 07:54.11 | christor | nevyn: ok thx |
| 07:54.11 | nevyn | christor: that's you modifying them. |
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| 07:54.37 | bob2 | markc: a) install build-essential |
| 07:54.38 | markc | fresh install, no default has been set |
| 07:54.42 | cheal | how do I know if my kernel has APIC enabled. kernel *NEWBIE* |
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| 07:54.52 | bob2 | cheal: run dmesg |
| 07:54.56 | bob2 | cheal: but what are you doing? |
| 07:55.45 | cheal | ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs |
| 07:56.18 | markc | bob2> ah poop, it wants to install gcc-3.3... I might just do a manual link in /usr/bin and to hell with it |
| 07:56.24 | cheal | I suppose that's what I'm looking for. I'm trying to see if this can cause a problem with NVIDIA drivers (according to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html) |
| 07:56.24 | bob2 | lord |
| 07:56.26 | bob2 | WHY |
| 07:56.41 | bob2 | markc: install a proper toolchain, before you start breaking it |
| 07:56.42 | bob2 | duh |
| 07:56.45 | MobyTurbo | !caps |
| 07:56.45 | dpkg | i heard caps is Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. |
| 07:56.59 | llama32 | yay i have telnet [i think - 'telnet localhost' works]... that was easy! |
| 07:57.11 | markc | bob2> I'd like to but how do I get a gcc-3.4 toolchain then ? |
| 07:57.15 | bob2 | markc: WHY |
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| 07:57.41 | markc | bob2> because I want to ? ... amd64 |
| 07:57.41 | xk | !caps =~ s/^/<REPLY>/ |
| 07:57.41 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '^', xk |
| 07:57.55 | xk | !caps =~ s/D/<REPLY> D/ |
| 07:57.55 | dpkg | OK, xk |
| 07:58.02 | bob2 | markc: install build-essential. install gcc-3.4. alter the root kernel MAkefile to run gcc-3.4 |
| 07:58.16 | xk | bah. no idea what it did :) |
| 07:58.44 | markc | bob2> :-) ehy? .. I may as well ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 07:59.05 | markc | then it works for everything |
| 07:59.13 | bob2 | blah |
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| 08:00.00 | MobyTurbo | markc: if you want to break your system why don't you run Gentoo? They seem to like to do stuff like that. |
| 08:00.14 | bob2 | bah |
| 08:00.20 | bob2 | that's not the point |
| 08:00.21 | xk | ok. fixed. |
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| 08:00.52 | markc | I do run gentoo on my desktop, but this is a server... perhaps I've been subverted |
| 08:01.09 | MobyTurbo | that explains it |
| 08:01.23 | markc | didn't there used to be a gcc-config that asked what gcc *I* want as default ? |
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| 08:01.38 | bob2 | bah |
| 08:01.44 | xk | bah fest ;) |
| 08:02.21 | MobyTurbo | hehe |
| 08:02.21 | bob2 | abcde is annoying |
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| 08:02.27 | bob2 | and it's so tempting to just rewrite it |
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| 08:02.40 | markc | so what gcc do people use for amd64 on debian ? |
| 08:02.56 | C17H21NO4 | ahmad: Does X even try to load radeon? Sounds like it may be using something else |
| 08:02.59 | xk | markc: isn't it better to jsut install pure64? |
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| 08:03.56 | xk | http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 08:03.57 | xk | there's the iso. |
| 08:04.09 | markc | xk> well I didn't know such a thing existed... I just want a "normal" kinda amd64 simple install.. with my own kernel... which I am trying to build, on a fresh system |
| 08:04.27 | xk | markc: install that. then you can compile your own 64bit kernel. |
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| 08:05.28 | Print_Server | I instaled Debian Sarge cd 1, it is supposed to come with GNOME, but It doesn't seem to have been installed or something |
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| 08:06.45 | markc | sk> but I have everything I need already installed, even gcc-3.4BUT to build another kernel with the right network modules,,, I just need a "gcc".. so I can build that new kernel which will allow me to... reinstall that iso if I chose to |
| 08:06.45 | xk | I've installed it. I've compiled my own kernel with it. however, I'm not using it atm :) |
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| 08:06.45 | xk | markc: yeah but you need to cross compile it if you want a 64bit kernel. |
| 08:06.50 | cheal | !tell Print_Server about install gnome |
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| 08:06.52 | Sazpaimon | Hey guys, having trouble compiling a program |
| 08:07.04 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: you read the FAQ, right? |
| 08:07.04 | dotsony | Sazpaimon: what's the problem? |
| 08:07.06 | Sazpaimon | /usr/include/string.h:287: error: parse error before "__s1" |
| 08:07.06 | Sazpaimon | /usr/include/string.h:287: error: parse error before '!=' token |
| 08:07.06 | Sazpaimon | make[1]: *** [auth.o] Error |
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| 08:07.16 | Sazpaimon | then it just errors out |
| 08:07.22 | xk | sounds like a butchered string.h? |
| 08:07.22 | markc | xk> huh, I'm already on a 64bit system with a 64bit kernel... I FORGOT (OMG) to build the right nic modules so I can't get to the net from that box |
| 08:07.23 | dotsony | Sazpaimon: that means absolutely nothing to anyone here |
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| 08:07.34 | Print_Server | Do I need to put the cd on my apt-get sources list? |
| 08:07.34 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: are you using the default C compiler? |
| 08:07.36 | bob2 | or did you change it? |
| 08:07.38 | dotsony | Sazpaimon: what program are you compiling |
| 08:07.45 | Sazpaimon | I jsut did an apt-get upgrade gcc |
| 08:07.46 | cheal | Print_Server: yes. apt-cdrom |
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| 08:08.00 | Print_Server | how do I do that from the console though? |
| 08:08.01 | Sazpaimon | it was giving me that error before and I thought an upgrade would help |
| 08:08.01 | xk | markc: omg. why don't you have a stock amd64 kernel just in case that situation does happen. |
| 08:08.07 | xk | markc: don't you have gcc installed? |
| 08:08.13 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: that command does nothing |
| 08:08.31 | dotsony | Sazpaimon: did you read the readme for the program you are trying to compile? |
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| 08:08.41 | Sazpaimon | I did |
| 08:08.43 | dotsony | Sazpaimon: did you follow preliminary steps like running ./configure? |
| 08:08.44 | markc | xk> yes, gcc-3.4, but there is no gcc... |
| 08:09.13 | Sazpaimon | dotsony, yes I did |
| 08:09.15 | bob2 | markc: install build-essential. install gcc-3.4. |
| 08:09.15 | xk | markc: ls -la /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 08:09.18 | xk | markc: past to me. |
| 08:09.20 | bob2 | then change the kernel Makefile |
| 08:09.24 | xk | bob2: he has no net connection on the box? |
| 08:09.27 | bob2 | or the symlink if you really have to be k-rad |
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| 08:09.34 | cheal | Print_Server: use apt-setup |
| 08:09.40 | bob2 | then he/she is boned until he/she gets those packages, anyway. |
| 08:09.45 | xk | ;) |
| 08:09.48 | McTails | Anyone got any ideas about resolving GCC issues on debain involving prase errors in string.h |
| 08:09.58 | xk | that's why it's a good idea to have a stock debian kernel installed, just in case. |
| 08:10.00 | Sazpaimon | Im already here McTails |
| 08:10.02 | Sazpaimon | :P |
| 08:10.07 | McTails | Sazpaimon: Yeah I know :-P |
| 08:10.08 | Print_Server | ok, thx |
| 08:10.13 | markc | xk> I can't get to that machine until I roll another kernel... no ssh in, no paste nothing |
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| 08:10.36 | xk | markc: then how are you controlling the machine? |
| 08:10.44 | Print_Server | bye |
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| 08:11.10 | markc | xk> I'm sitting in front of it... but I am on this channel from a different box |
| 08:11.12 | Sazpaimon | [00:08] <bob2> Sazpaimon: that command does nothing |
| 08:11.19 | Sazpaimon | it upgraded gcc it seems |
| 08:11.23 | bob2 | no |
| 08:11.23 | xk | markc: ok, what does ls -la show? |
| 08:11.25 | bob2 | it upgraded everything |
| 08:11.36 | markc | xk> I can't ssh into the new server until I roll this new kernel |
| 08:11.43 | xk | markc: did you say you installed your own toolchain? |
| 08:11.46 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: give us the URL to the software youre trying to compile |
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| 08:12.01 | xk | markc: do I care? if you're in front of hte machine, can't you relay what is printed? |
| 08:12.07 | Supaplex | why must printer setups be such a big PITA? |
| 08:12.22 | markc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.30 | xk | and is gcc-3.4 a binary or symlink? |
| 08:12.34 | Sazpaimon | bob2, http://www.unrealircd.com/ |
| 08:12.41 | xk | s/binary/file/ |
| 08:12.43 | markc | xk> a binary |
| 08:12.47 | MobyTurbo | Supaplex: get apsfilter or, if you prefer, CUPS, and it's not. :-) |
| 08:12.53 | xk | markc: ok, cd /usr/bin; ln -fs gcc-3.4 gcc |
| 08:13.07 | xk | markc: now try to compile a kernel. |
| 08:13.07 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 08:13.12 | xk | you might need to fix ohter symlinks. |
| 08:13.18 | markc | xk> but but... bob2 will have a heart attack!!! |
| 08:13.25 | bob2 | I don't care |
| 08:13.30 | bob2 | I'm just trying to steer you to sanity |
| 08:13.32 | markc | :-) |
| 08:13.35 | xk | ;) |
| 08:13.40 | Sazpaimon | So any ideas bob2? |
| 08:13.42 | bob2 | oh, awesome |
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| 08:13.46 | xk | FIX YOUR DAMN BROKEN SYSTEM |
| 08:13.49 | bob2 | unrealircd got rid of the click-through EULA |
| 08:13.56 | bob2 | that's so cool of them |
| 08:14.14 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: talk to the unrealircd people |
| 08:14.23 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: or use a less crap IRCd, like dancer of oftc-hybrid. |
| 08:14.32 | Supaplex | MobyTurbo: I'm using cups, and I have 5 printers in all. 3 laserjets (lj II or lj III), a canon s400 and a panasonic p1124. I guess I'll try again... |
| 08:14.36 | Sazpaimon | I perfer to use unreal |
| 08:14.55 | markc | right, so the sky won't fall in if I did what I was inutitively going to do in a kinda gentoo way in the first place... just do a link... cool |
| 08:14.57 | Sazpaimon | it doesnt seem to be an issue with unreal |
| 08:15.06 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: yes, it does |
| 08:15.08 | MobyTurbo | Supaplex: I have fond memories of my Panasonic 1124. |
| 08:15.13 | Sazpaimon | on another machine it goes past that errror |
| 08:15.19 | xk | markc: well, something must borked itself if you don't have the symlink. |
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| 08:15.26 | xk | I wouldn't know what happened. |
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| 08:15.46 | MobyTurbo | Supaplex: older laserjets are nice too, built like a tank |
| 08:15.52 | Sazpaimon | its just missing a package that I cant install without root |
| 08:15.58 | Supaplex | MobyTurbo: I have two others at my moms house to :) one's not really a p1124, but it's the "wide" size. |
| 08:16.04 | Sazpaimon | I have that package on debian, but it wont compile |
| 08:16.09 | markc | xk> that's why I came to this channel... to kinda work that out... why installing gcc-3.4 did not give me a /usr/bin/gcc link |
| 08:16.10 | Sazpaimon | so it isnt an issue with unreal |
| 08:16.21 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: erm |
| 08:16.25 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: do you know C? |
| 08:16.25 | xk | markc: weird. oh well... just symlink it and forget ;) |
| 08:16.30 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: then you need to install that package |
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| 08:16.40 | markc | xk> sigh... bless you xk |
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| 08:16.55 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: you shouldn't be trying to build it on a machine you don't have root on, anyway |
| 08:16.59 | Supaplex | markc: mostmake files have CC=... set it accordingly. |
| 08:17.00 | Sazpaimon | I dont plan to use that machine to run an IRC server |
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| 08:17.12 | xk | markc: what else can you do? it's the truth... |
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| 08:17.32 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: why are you insisting on unreal? |
| 08:17.36 | xk | markc: find the problem... find a solution. and if you can figure out why it happened, good. otherwise, remember that if it happens again, you know how to fix it. |
| 08:17.41 | Xsquared | hi, what are a few good filemanagers for X. I'd like something similar to gnomes filemanager but i don't like gnome |
| 08:17.42 | markc | xk> go have a cuppa tea while the kernel builds, perhaps |
| 08:17.43 | MobyTurbo | xk: better than symlinking is changing CC= |
| 08:17.44 | Sazpaimon | bob, its SourceForge's compile farm I was compiling it on :P |
| 08:17.53 | xk | MobyTurbo: :) |
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| 08:18.23 | MobyTurbo | Xsquared: the file manager that's offered with GNUstep is the best one I ran. |
| 08:18.28 | xk | markc: I'm not surprised other .au users are never happy. |
| 08:18.38 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: um, they'll revoke your account and spank you |
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| 08:18.40 | MobyTurbo | Xsquared: my favorite file manager however is /bin/bash |
| 08:18.43 | bob2 | and everyone will laugh at you |
| 08:18.47 | Sazpaimon | ? |
| 08:19.03 | markc | xk> what do you expect when we're hanging around upside down all the time |
| 08:19.11 | Sazpaimon | look, can you just give me a hand here |
| 08:19.12 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: if you compile a kiddie ircd on a SF machine, you will be kicked off |
| 08:19.13 | Xsquared | MobyTurbo: same, but i need a GUI one for a mass file managing |
| 08:19.26 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: *why* are you trying to compile an ircd on a sourceforge machine? |
| 08:19.41 | Sazpaimon | to see if it worked |
| 08:19.41 | xk | One AMD x86_64 1001MHz processor, 1966.08 total bogomips, 511M RAM |
| 08:20.32 | Sazpaimon | I just need to get this headers.h issue resolved |
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| 08:20.51 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 08:20.53 | MobyTurbo | Xsquared: try gworkspace.app |
| 08:20.54 | Sazpaimon | string.h |
| 08:20.54 | markc | thanks for the help guys |
| 08:21.01 | Sazpaimon | I need more coffee |
| 08:21.30 | Xsquared | i hope your drinking that coffee for the taste, not the caffine |
| 08:21.32 | karsten | Sazpaimon: less coffee is better. |
| 08:21.36 | MobyTurbo | Xsquared: while you're at it try the rest of the GNUstep stuff, it's interesting although I'm not running it currently. |
| 08:21.49 | karsten | Sazpaimon: It scrolls forwards _and_ backwards, allows search, and can be logged. |
| 08:21.58 | Xsquared | MobyTurbo: im reading though it now, looks pretty kick ass |
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| 08:22.29 | Sazpaimon | IF youj dont know how to fix my problem just say so instead of making smartass remarks on what Im trying to compile |
| 08:22.33 | [evL] | Your favorite back-up method ??? |
| 08:23.05 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: ask the SF admins to install whatever package you're missing |
| 08:23.13 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: if you're actually doing something legit, they'll be happy to help you |
| 08:23.31 | Sazpaimon | why would I want to install this whole think on sourceforge? |
| 08:23.33 | Sazpaimon | *thing |
| 08:23.40 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: judging from your lack of expertise, tho, I don't think you're actually doing something useful |
| 08:23.44 | bob2 | I have no idea |
| 08:23.45 | Sazpaimon | I want it installed on my debian box |
| 08:23.50 | bob2 | so...? |
| 08:23.57 | Sazpaimon | so I need to fix that error |
| 08:24.01 | bob2 | install the missing dependency |
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| 08:24.05 | bob2 | oh, you don't have root? |
| 08:24.09 | bob2 | then talk to the admin. |
| 08:24.13 | Sazpaimon | I have root on debian |
| 08:25.04 | Phated | Shouldn't you, you know, compile something for your own box... On your own box? |
| 08:25.17 | Sazpaimon | yea but I was getting issues with it |
| 08:25.31 | Sazpaimon | I as seeing if it was an issue with the unreal server of my box |
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| 08:26.26 | Sazpaimon | get it? |
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| 08:26.39 | bob2 | your story is pretty unconvincing |
| 08:26.48 | bob2 | and helping people who are more or less lying to you isn't much fun |
| 08:27.03 | MobyTurbo | Xsquared: GNUstep rocks, if you like gworkspace.app you might want to give the whole system a try. apt-get gnustep gnustep-devel gnustep-games |
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| 08:27.18 | Phated | bob2: You really are getting a lot of idiots lately, aren't you. |
| 08:27.22 | Xsquared | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 08:27.29 | qwertz | Hi! Trying to install sarge but got into problems starting the x-server - the log says "Fatal server error: lockup" and "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), now is 18834, start is 16833" - any suggestions what to look for? |
| 08:27.38 | bob2 | I think I must smell like stupid. |
| 08:27.46 | bob2 | qwertz: file a bug |
| 08:27.50 | bob2 | that doesn't sound fixable |
| 08:28.20 | Sazpaimon | you think im lying to you? |
| 08:28.21 | Sazpaimon | why? |
| 08:28.37 | bob2 | because you won't explain why you're trying to use such a terrible IRC server |
| 08:29.32 | Sazpaimon | Because a friend of mine is very familair with making mods for unreal |
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| 08:29.38 | McTails | I haev arrived :-P |
| 08:29.47 | Phated | He can compile it himself, surely. |
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| 08:30.03 | Sazpaimon | its a complicated situation |
| 08:30.04 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: so get him/her to help |
| 08:30.06 | McTails | The GCC compiiler is broken on his machine, and I've been trying to get it to compile on other machines |
| 08:30.07 | Sazpaimon | McTails can explain it |
| 08:30.08 | bob2 | see |
| 08:30.08 | Xsquared | phated: someone needs to hold his hand |
| 08:30.10 | bob2 | and this is the lying |
| 08:30.22 | bob2 | McTails: so fix your toolchain |
| 08:30.23 | bob2 | duh |
| 08:30.28 | McTails | bob2: Not my machine |
| 08:30.38 | Sazpaimon | McTails, explain the whole situation with the irc server |
| 08:30.38 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: fix your toolchain |
| 08:30.40 | Phated | Xsquared: Urgh. |
| 08:30.43 | Sazpaimon | what we're doing with it |
| 08:30.52 | MobyTurbo | bob2: script kiddies' night on #debian |
| 08:30.53 | Xsquared | lol |
| 08:30.59 | McTails | bob2: And I don't really think I should need to compile a new toolchain. If Debian worked RIGHT, the binaries should be fine |
| 08:31.19 | Xenguy | if debian worked right |
| 08:31.31 | [evL] | Opinions on a good back-up method ??? |
| 08:31.36 | Phated | CD-R? |
| 08:31.37 | bob2 | McTails: oh god, shut up |
| 08:31.41 | McTails | I don't own a PC that is currently running Debian (or any Linux) in general |
| 08:31.46 | bob2 | McTails: Sazpaimon broke his toolchain |
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| 08:31.48 | mte | hi..i'd like to modify the desktop menu of xfce4. so i copied /etc/X11/xfce4/menu.xml to ~/.xfce4/ but now the menu doesn't even show although i haven't changed anything, just copied it...any idea why? |
| 08:31.53 | bob2 | make him/her fix it and both you stop whinging |
| 08:31.53 | Xenguy | [evL]: there are a lot of options; rsnapshot is one |
| 08:31.54 | Xsquared | hahaha |
| 08:31.55 | Sazpaimon | broke it how? |
| 08:31.59 | Sazpaimon | I never use this box |
| 08:32.01 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: I have no idea |
| 08:32.04 | Xenguy | [evL]: depends on your needs really |
| 08:32.06 | McTails | bob2: No he did. He just used apt-get install gcc3 libc6-dev |
| 08:32.06 | Sazpaimon | its pretty mucha fresh install of debian |
| 08:32.09 | McTails | (or something like that) |
| 08:32.26 | Sazpaimon | you told me to do that :P |
| 08:32.30 | bob2 | gcc3 is not supported, or useful |
| 08:32.34 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: install build-essential |
| 08:32.41 | bob2 | (on i386) |
| 08:33.48 | asuffield | I'd be inclined to suspect butchered headers. there's no != in <string.h> |
| 08:34.11 | McTails | asuffield: I checked string.h |
| 08:34.14 | Sazpaimon | I checked the file as well, and did not see that |
| 08:34.18 | McTails | It's not present |
| 08:34.32 | asuffield | some idiot clowning around with the preprocessor then |
| 08:34.46 | McTails | asuffield: Other programs seem to compile correctly |
| 08:34.49 | Sazpaimon | I'll let McTails handle this, I gave him root access, he know more than me |
| 08:34.54 | asuffield | definitely an idiot with the preprocessor |
| 08:35.03 | bob2 | bwahahahahaha |
| 08:35.10 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: do you know McTails in real life? |
| 08:35.18 | Sazpaimon | no |
| 08:35.19 | Phated | And know him well? |
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| 08:35.34 | bob2 | but you gave him root on this machine? |
| 08:35.39 | bob2 | @lose Sazpaimon |
| 08:35.42 | Sazpaimon | I know him well |
| 08:35.44 | ravenbird | Sazpaimon: You Lose. |
| 08:35.47 | Sazpaimon | just not in real life |
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| 08:35.59 | hseritt | how in the world do i change the runlevel for debian? i went into inittab and changed what i thought was the runlevel from 2 to 3... |
| 08:35.59 | asuffield | never trust anything that you cannot beat with a stick |
| 08:36.10 | Sazpaimon | there's nothing important on that machine |
| 08:36.13 | Phated | That's beautifully naive. You can't just... -trust- someone like that. |
| 08:36.18 | hseritt | my system wont let me get to a bare console for some reason |
| 08:36.21 | bob2 | hseritt: why would you want to? |
| 08:36.32 | bob2 | hseritt: so, on Debian all 4 normal ones are identical |
| 08:36.45 | bob2 | hseritt: if you want no DM in one of them, remove it from /etc/rcWHATEVER.d/ |
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| 08:37.00 | hseritt | bob2: so that i can run vmware tools.. cant run it from X session |
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| 08:37.09 | MobyTurbo | hseritt: /etc/init.d/[x,g,k]dm stop |
| 08:37.21 | hseritt | thanks... |
| 08:37.27 | hseritt | ive never run X with dm before |
| 08:37.29 | hseritt | i hate them |
| 08:37.45 | Sazpaimon | so I take it you guys have no solution for me |
| 08:37.46 | scarynetworkguy | hseritt: So remove the *dm. |
| 08:37.57 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: too late |
| 08:38.19 | scarynetworkguy | MobyTurbo: Hm? |
| 08:38.33 | Sazpaimon | I keep forgetting how this channel works |
| 08:38.39 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: hseritt left before your comment |
| 08:38.50 | bob2 | it's a "help people with Debian systems" channel |
| 08:38.54 | Sazpaimon | come in, state your problem, get insulted, eventually get an answer |
| 08:38.56 | bob2 | not a "help people compile broken software channel" |
| 08:39.04 | bob2 | you need to go talk to the unrealircd developers |
| 08:39.07 | Supaplex | Sazpaimon++ |
| 08:39.11 | Sazpaimon | why? |
| 08:39.20 | Sazpaimon | if it compiles on another machine |
| 08:39.23 | bob2 | because it's their crappy code that won't build |
| 08:39.24 | Sazpaimon | but not this machine |
| 08:39.26 | bob2 | that means nothing |
| 08:40.00 | Sazpaimon | how could it mean nothing? |
| 08:40.06 | bob2 | ? |
| 08:40.13 | bob2 | if their code is unportable, it's not Debian's fault |
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| 08:40.34 | bob2 | do either of you two know C? |
| 08:40.34 | llama32 | how do i kick someone out who's logged into my computer? |
| 08:40.41 | Sazpaimon | I've isntalled unreal on another debian machine before |
| 08:40.46 | nevyn | llama32: install slay |
| 08:40.52 | rinmak | llama32: pkill -U <uid> |
| 08:41.00 | llama32 | thanks |
| 08:41.09 | Phated | And remove their account afterwards, maybe. |
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| 08:41.27 | asuffield | and go over to their house and throw rocks at them |
| 08:41.42 | Phated | Burn down the house, too. |
| 08:41.56 | rinmak | hey, anyone got any reccomendations as to which IMAP server I should use? |
| 08:41.58 | scarynetworkguy | And salt the earth that it stood on. |
| 08:42.11 | MobyTurbo | and dance on their smoldering remains screaming "die die" |
| 08:42.13 | nagual | oh dear how many security flaws for the kernel lately |
| 08:42.16 | bob2 | god |
| 08:42.32 | bob2 | judging from how broken the unrealircd configure script is, I'd just blame them for any problems |
| 08:42.36 | bob2 | it has no defaults |
| 08:42.38 | Xenguy | bob2: "Smith will suffice" =) |
| 08:42.47 | asuffield | unreal is pretty much a disaster, it doesn't normally compile |
| 08:42.57 | bob2 | so you have to run ./Config which askes questions (interactively) and then passes the answers to ./configure |
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| 08:43.39 | bob2 | not sure why it's passing "-funsigned-char" to gcc, tho |
| 08:43.54 | asuffield | Phated: I didn't know you were the pyromaniac type |
| 08:44.03 | asuffield | bob2: don't *want* to know |
| 08:44.08 | Phated | asuffield: No, but I am the murderous type. |
| 08:44.11 | bob2 | asuffield: portablt software should never call that, right? |
| 08:44.40 | asuffield | bob2: well, char on i386 is signed. so it's pretty inexplicable |
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| 08:44.49 | bob2 | yeah |
| 08:44.58 | bob2 | it at least generates PIC code |
| 08:45.09 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: compiles for me |
| 08:45.19 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: which brings us back to the "someone broken your toolchain" theory |
| 08:45.21 | MobyTurbo | PIC? |
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| 08:45.26 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: install build-essential |
| 08:45.31 | nevyn | Position Independant Code |
| 08:45.33 | hseritt | how do i set the resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768? i am using a laptop under vmware... i have tried changing the resolution via xf86config and it wouldnt work for some reason |
| 08:45.46 | Sazpaimon | bob2? |
| 08:45.51 | k-man | anyone know a good way to sync imap folders and email between 2 imap servers? |
| 08:45.57 | MobyTurbo | hseritt: #vmware |
| 08:45.58 | bob2 | Sazpaimon: unrealircd builds for me on Debian |
| 08:46.05 | bob2 | k-man: offlineimap |
| 08:46.07 | bob2 | k-man: but be careful |
| 08:46.16 | k-man | why? |
| 08:46.17 | hseritt | MobyTurbo, heh theyre no help |
| 08:46.29 | bob2 | k-man: so you don't lose your mail? |
| 08:46.40 | hseritt | MobyTurbo, heh theyre no help there |
| 08:47.12 | k-man | bob2, oh |
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| 08:47.16 | k-man | ok |
| 08:47.17 | k-man | thanks |
| 08:47.25 | k-man | ill 'ave a look at it |
| 08:47.38 | Sazpaimon | bob2 you mean apt-get install build-essential? |
| 08:47.46 | Sazpaimon | "build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 08:47.46 | Sazpaimon | " |
| 08:47.47 | bob2 | indeed |
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| 08:47.53 | bob2 | then reinstall libc6-dev |
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| 08:48.18 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:48.25 | bob2 | unrealircd includes a list of "bad words" |
| 08:48.31 | bob2 | which is DFSG-non-free |
| 08:49.12 | MobyTurbo | bob2: does any reputable network actually use unreal? |
| 08:49.18 | bob2 | no |
| 08:49.28 | asuffield | bob2: unreal had a click-wrap license last time -legal looked at it. we laughed it down |
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| 08:49.45 | bob2 | hah, yeah |
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| 08:50.09 | nagual | efnet uses hybrid, and q-net asuka |
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| 08:50.32 | bob2 | and they don't seem to have a useful download url |
| 08:50.52 | bob2 | it goes through some javascript goo |
| 08:51.17 | qwertz | Does anybody know where to get the kernel-headers package for 2.6.8-1-386 (sarge netinstall kernel)? |
| 08:51.32 | bob2 | qwertz: it's not in the archive anymore? |
| 08:51.42 | Xsquared | where are the nvidia kernel drivers for sarge??? |
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| 08:51.50 | Xsquared | did they get removed? |
| 08:51.50 | bob2 | !!! |
| 08:51.50 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:52.26 | qwertz | bob2, haven't found it with apt-cache and a search at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages didn't found it either |
| 08:52.47 | bob2 | dang |
| 08:52.53 | bob2 | they'd be on snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:53.17 | bob2 | look at the date the cd came out, I guess |
| 08:53.41 | MobyTurbo | bob2: unreal actually is mentioned in O'Reilly's "IRC Hacks", it mentions it has a Windows version that's "easier to set up". |
| 08:54.08 | bob2 | they have some sort of windows installer thing |
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| 08:54.44 | MobyTurbo | bob2: that probably explains why the second guy who he gave root to said he didn't have Linux at home, he had experience with unreal because it's a lame ircd that's popular in windows. |
| 08:55.29 | Xsquared | what is the best ircd? in your opinion |
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| 08:56.22 | Supaplex | Xsquared: netcat! |
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| 08:56.35 | llama32 | my friend is logged in with telnet, but when i do finger i cant see him |
| 08:56.45 | Xsquared | Supaplex: netcat is hardcore |
| 08:56.48 | alakdan | just wondering, whats the difference between a type 1 and type 2 Compact flash card? |
| 08:57.04 | llama32 | nm just took a bit |
| 08:57.14 | Supaplex | alakdan: type1 is memory only, I believe |
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| 08:57.34 | Supaplex | llama32: no ssh eh? |
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| 08:59.04 | disasm | llama32: i hope your not doing this over the internet... |
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| 09:00.54 | llama32 | Supaplex/disasm: i dont care about security :) |
| 09:02.04 | disasm | llama32: unless you want someone to compromise your box, i'd recommend taking that extra step of installing ssh and removing telnetd |
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| 09:02.47 | scarynetworkguy | disasm: By default Debian has ssh and no telnetd. He has gone out of his way to install a insecure protocol and as such is clearly beneath contempt. |
| 09:02.53 | MobyTurbo | llama32: do you care if someone uses your box to send spam, and then lose your ISP account and get blacklisted? |
| 09:03.09 | disasm | scarynetworkguy: true |
| 09:03.16 | scarynetworkguy | Well techincically speaking not by default but clsoe enough. |
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| 09:03.25 | dampjam | How do I make a user a member of more than 32 groups? |
| 09:03.29 | llama32 | MobyTurbo: a guess... no :) |
| 09:03.40 | llama32 | but maybe i should start using ssh |
| 09:03.50 | MobyTurbo | llama32: then you don't belong on the Internet. |
| 09:04.14 | MobyTurbo | llama32: maybe you should |
| 09:04.50 | llama32 | when i ssh localhost, it asks me for a password... whats with the password? [it isnt a user password... its just a password it wants] |
| 09:05.06 | dampjam | llama32: it assumes your username |
| 09:05.07 | MobyTurbo | llama32: the scenerio I gave you is not theoretical, there are things called botnets. |
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| 09:05.17 | dampjam | llama32: unless you do user@localhost to specify another |
| 09:05.18 | disasm | scarynetworkguy: that was one thing that impressed me when i used the new installer, before the first thing i always did was apt-get install ssh, and with the new installer it was already there! |
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| 09:07.17 | atbash | every time i reboot, my symlink /dev/radio -> /dev/radio0 disappears, i think it has something to do with following line (output from 'mount'): /dev on /dev/.static/dev type unknown (rw,bind). Any hints? |
| 09:08.07 | Supaplex | devfs? |
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| 09:08.24 | bob2 | no |
| 09:08.28 | bob2 | that's udev |
| 09:08.32 | bob2 | and of course the symlink will go away |
| 09:08.38 | bob2 | create it in /etc/udev/ somewhere |
| 09:08.52 | SilentB0B | Can someone explain to me in a nutshell.. |
| 09:08.54 | SilentB0B | What udev is |
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| 09:09.09 | atbash | bob2: thx |
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| 09:09.21 | Sazpaimon_ | bob2, I reinstalled libc6-dev |
| 09:09.21 | Supaplex | SilentB0B: ask profesor dpkg... :) |
| 09:09.23 | Sazpaimon_ | same rror |
| 09:09.26 | Sazpaimon_ | *error |
| 09:09.27 | bob2 | Sazpaimon_: awesome |
| 09:09.39 | bob2 | Sazpaimon_: anyway, talk to whoever broke your machine, or the unrealircd people |
| 09:09.41 | SilentB0B | !tell SilentB0B udevd |
| 09:09.47 | bob2 | since it's probably not an actual Debian problem |
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| 09:09.54 | SilentB0B | !tell SilentB0B udev |
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| 09:10.25 | MobyTurbo | SilentB0B: udev = userland dev, a userland program that messes with your /dev files the way devfs used to do. Supposedly more user-friendly, but when it breaks it's more difficult to fix. |
| 09:10.47 | llama32 | grr how do i get rid of telnetd? |
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| 09:10.57 | stuartSan | qtorrent resumes after i turn off pc, start again and run qtorrent without any torrent links right? |
| 09:11.05 | stuartSan | cos i have to turn off my pc now, lightning storm |
| 09:11.13 | MobyTurbo | llama32: apt-get remove --purge telnetd |
| 09:12.13 | llama32 | ah just uninstall it.. |
| 09:12.25 | llama32 | thanks M'T' |
| 09:12.36 | MobyTurbo | llama32: np |
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| 09:14.52 | cheal | is it normal that auric.debian.org doesn't answer to ping? |
| 09:15.03 | cdc | i want to run ethereal but when i run it as root i get the following error |
| 09:15.03 | cdc | lib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 09:15.03 | cdc | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 09:15.03 | cdc | (ethereal:4625): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 09:15.49 | bob2 | cheal: pretty sure auric is offline atm |
| 09:16.02 | cheal | !tell cdc about sux |
| 09:16.09 | cdc | could anyone help me with this problem |
| 09:16.10 | bob2 | cheal: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=auric |
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| 09:16.15 | C17H21NO4 | cdc: man xhost |
| 09:16.23 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 09:16.23 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 09:16.46 | cheal | bob2: I found that, but does that say it's status? |
| 09:17.11 | cheal | it looks offline indeed |
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| 09:17.29 | Supaplex | C17H21NO4: xhost is evil! |
| 09:17.38 | bob2 | cheal: yes |
| 09:17.38 | Supaplex | bad practice :) |
| 09:17.42 | bob2 | and it's come up on d-d this week |
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| 09:18.08 | cdc | i am not able to get rid off this error what do i do |
| 09:18.18 | crackhead | hmmmm....really strange. I just installed gnome and when I startx the keyboard doesn't work. Any suggestions? |
| 09:18.20 | WauloK | ok got it installed and running but cant start X :-/ |
| 09:18.21 | cheal | bob2: Status: RAID (/org) died ...that should be in red for people in late timezones like me :) thanks |
| 09:18.29 | cdc | i need to setup ethereal |
| 09:18.31 | cdc | so kindly help me |
| 09:18.37 | cheal | cdc: /msg dpkg sux |
| 09:18.40 | C17H21NO4 | Supaplex: That is what is causing his error, isn't it? |
| 09:19.06 | WauloK | XFree86 log: no screens found |
| 09:19.23 | crackhead | but I can logout of gnome with the mouse and the keyboard works fine |
| 09:19.29 | cheal | !tell WauloK about no screens found |
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| 09:19.57 | crackhead | !tell crackhead about keyboard |
| 09:19.57 | WauloK | No Deviced Detected |
| 09:20.06 | cdc | cheal, i still get the same error even after installing sux |
| 09:20.10 | WauloK | !tell waulok about devices |
| 09:20.14 | WauloK | doh |
| 09:20.16 | WauloK | i tried :) |
| 09:20.18 | cdc | cheal, what do i do is there anything that i ve to change? |
| 09:20.36 | WauloK | (EE) No devices detected |
| 09:21.25 | cheal | WauloK: what did you install? |
| 09:21.30 | WauloK | debian :D |
| 09:21.39 | cheal | cdc: you need to sux instead of su ;) |
| 09:22.14 | cdc | cheal, hey thanks |
| 09:22.25 | cheal | WauloK: hum no idea, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root |
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| 09:22.53 | WauloK | ok |
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| 09:22.55 | WauloK | wish me luck :) |
| 09:22.57 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 09:23.22 | WauloK | should i manage it with debconf or by hand? |
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| 09:23.34 | candyban | Anyone experience with lvm? I rebooted my machine (after 100+ days or so) ... and my lvm is gone |
| 09:23.35 | cheal | WauloK: try debconf first |
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| 09:23.39 | WauloK | ok |
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| 09:24.14 | candyban | When I try to vgcfgbackup lvmdisk it says it can't find the device with uuid 'long-string-value' |
| 09:24.32 | WauloK | !tell waulok about bus identifier |
| 09:24.47 | cheal | WauloK: use /msg dpkg foo instead of !tell me about foo |
| 09:24.48 | WauloK | hmm |
| 09:24.52 | WauloK | ok cheal |
| 09:24.59 | WauloK | didnt help tho :-/ |
| 09:25.00 | cheal | WauloK: usually you enter nothing |
| 09:25.03 | WauloK | k |
| 09:25.08 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: does it see all your physical disks? dmesg | grep hd |
| 09:25.17 | cheal | WauloK: yes, it's the same answer but it doesn't spam #debian |
| 09:25.41 | candyban | C17H21NO4: /proc/partitions has all of them |
| 09:25.58 | WauloK | framebuffer device interface? |
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| 09:26.32 | candyban | C17H21NO4: dmesg has all of them as well |
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| 09:26.43 | WauloK | i'll try YES for now |
| 09:26.48 | kristiank | j #tarabel |
| 09:27.34 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: does pvdisplay show all your devices? |
| 09:28.54 | candyban | C17H21NO4: nope ... pvdisplay doesn't show anything (neither does vgscan or lvscan) |
| 09:29.11 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: run pvscan |
| 09:29.17 | cheal | WauloK: no is the safest |
| 09:29.43 | candyban | C17H21NO4: hdf1 and hdg1 both have id 8E (lvm) ... pvscan says no matchin physical volumes found |
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| 09:30.12 | WauloK | ok |
| 09:30.14 | WauloK | ta |
| 09:30.44 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I still have /etc/lvm/archive and /etc/lvm/backup ... but for some reason it can't seem to recoginze the disks |
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| 09:31.07 | candyban | C17H21NO4: /dev/lvmdisk has disappeared as well |
| 09:31.42 | WauloK | nup same error. (EE) No devices detected |
| 09:31.53 | candyban | C17H21NO4: /dev/lvm is still there |
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| 09:32.10 | GGEORGE | i installed debian yesterday @ an install fest and i'm having problems with gdm.....help! |
| 09:32.18 | candyban | C17H21NO4: They were 2 x 160 GB disks which I striped together |
| 09:32.57 | Supaplex | GGEORGE: what one of 47924 possible issues with gdm are *you* having? (ps, we all flunked mind reading school) |
| 09:33.24 | GGEORGE | sorry it just won't load! |
| 09:33.30 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: You can try setting the uuid's manually |
| 09:33.48 | WauloK | i tried WITH and WITHOUT framebuffer |
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| 09:34.14 | cheal | WauloK: what's your release and your GPU? |
| 09:34.32 | WauloK | woody & NVidia Ti 4200 (iirc) |
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| 09:35.52 | candyban | C17H21NO4: when I the uuid appears to be there ... |
| 09:36.10 | cheal | WauloK: are you sure it's a 4200? |
| 09:36.24 | WauloK | i can reboot and check |
| 09:36.41 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I used dd if=/dev/hdf of=part_table bs=1024 count=512 && strings part_table | grep LVM |
| 09:36.49 | cheal | WauloK: I don't know if it's supported, but if it's more recent, probably not |
| 09:37.00 | cheal | WauloK: did you consider using sarge/testing instead of woody? |
| 09:37.07 | cheal | (BTW) |
| 09:37.10 | GGEORGE | anyone in here from SCLUG? |
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| 09:37.22 | candyban | C17H21NO4: it then says: LVM2 001cXKzRbGyIcKzFVwr1MVfw638Uwx6DkFg and the uuid in the configuration is cXKzRb-GyIc-KzFV-wr1M-Vfw6-38Uw-x6DkFg |
| 09:37.41 | Supaplex | GGEORGE: tell #debian what you told me. You'll exercise all our brains, not just mine (I'm also likely to just walk out and go to bed. it's sooo late for me!) |
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| 09:37.59 | sssd | what is best to install testing or stable? |
| 09:38.15 | MobyTurbo | sssd: server or desktop? |
| 09:38.15 | streuner | sssd: testing for desktop systems |
| 09:38.43 | sssd | desktop |
| 09:38.48 | MobyTurbo | sssd: sarge |
| 09:38.56 | sssd | one cd? |
| 09:39.00 | streuner | !d-i |
| 09:39.00 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 09:39.01 | cdc | http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308 |
| 09:39.15 | streuner | sssd: yep |
| 09:39.15 | WauloK | yeh its a Ti 4200 Nvidia card |
| 09:39.16 | cdc | is Sarge out? |
| 09:39.17 | GGEORGE | when booting debian 4.3.0.*** it comes up with an error saying it can't load x......is there someone here that can help? |
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| 09:39.32 | streuner | cdc, nope |
| 09:39.40 | MobyTurbo | GGEORGE: there is no Debian 4.3.0 |
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| 09:39.43 | candyban | C17H21NO4: for hdg I have: LVM2 001QFrfOtqdZdmGDcUH82J7QxAeys3HUEXZ and the configuration says QFrfOt-qdZd-mGDc-UH82-J7Qx-Aeys-3HUEXZ |
| 09:39.51 | MobyTurbo | GGEORGE: perhaps you mean the version of xfree |
| 09:39.57 | GGEORGE | ok sorry XFree86 then? |
| 09:40.02 | MobyTurbo | GGEORGE: yep |
| 09:40.06 | WauloK | well sarge isnt out so i didnt get it. i would have preferred it but didnt want to install unstable. Knoppix worked fine with this machine with no special stuff |
| 09:40.24 | Daemon | ..can someone give me a clear definition of wha a lib is... (library) |
| 09:40.43 | MobyTurbo | WauloK: knoppix's repositories are a snapshot of unstable, and are not less unstable than that branch. |
| 09:41.00 | WauloK | mt: so maybe i should have got sarge then :( |
| 09:41.22 | GGEORGE | it then prompts that it is disabling x server and that i should restart GDM when it is configured properly |
| 09:41.43 | Supaplex | Daemon, software widgets (like building blocks) |
| 09:41.57 | cheal | Daemon: wikipedia probably answers best (not necessarily simple) |
| 09:42.01 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: pvscan -v |
| 09:42.15 | MobyTurbo | WauloK: no problem, just dist-upgrade to sarge. |
| 09:42.20 | cheal | GGEORGE: tell us WHICH error |
| 09:42.22 | SilentB0B | Do I need xmms-mp3 on debian.. |
| 09:42.26 | SilentB0B | Like I did on fedora. |
| 09:42.30 | SilentB0B | Or does mp3 work already? |
| 09:42.38 | WauloK | mt: still dont know if that would make my install work tho |
| 09:42.45 | MobyTurbo | SilentB0B: vanilla Debian xmms includes mp3 |
| 09:42.51 | candyban | duvel:/etc/lvm/backup# pvscan -v ... Wiping cache of LVM-capable devices ... Wiping internal cache ... Walking through all physical volumes ... No matching physical volumes found |
| 09:42.53 | Daemon | k, sorry, Im just trying to build a enhacned Business Software right now..in about 6th hour of it...and just came to mind what a lib was and maybe it might help me... |
| 09:43.07 | candyban | C17H21NO4: previous comment was for you :) |
| 09:43.12 | SilentB0B | MobyTurbo, Does sarge? |
| 09:43.28 | candyban | C17H21NO4: btw. Thank you for taking time to help me with this |
| 09:43.32 | cheal | SilentB0B: debian doesn't avoid mp3 like fedora |
| 09:43.39 | MobyTurbo | SilentB0B: when I said vanilla Debian I meant all Debian distributions, as opposed to some Debian based ones. |
| 09:43.49 | cheal | although you are still more "moral" by using ogg |
| 09:44.32 | helix | "become more ethical through cd ripping" |
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| 09:44.47 | SilentB0B | cheal, If you can give me a script to mass convert 30,000 mp3s to ogg |
| 09:44.51 | SilentB0B | with mpg123 or something |
| 09:44.54 | SilentB0B | Then I'll use ogg |
| 09:44.58 | GGEORGE | i don't know what error it is it just tells me that it cannot start the X server - likely because it is not set up correctly and would i like to view server output |
| 09:45.12 | WauloK | what's a generic hires video driver then. maybe the nv doesnt work here |
| 09:45.13 | Supaplex | you don't want to transcode lossy media. |
| 09:45.32 | cheal | SilentB0B: I really didn't mean that. I hope you know it doesn't work like that neither |
| 09:45.48 | Supaplex | GGEORGE: does it say something about "not just the last lines of output"? |
| 09:45.51 | MobyTurbo | GGEORGE: how did you install X? apt-get install x-window-system? |
| 09:46.00 | cheal | uh...it's too late for me. I came here for support to myself :) |
| 09:46.20 | cheal | WauloK: what means hires? |
| 09:46.28 | WauloK | cheal: != vga |
| 09:46.36 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: pvscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 09:46.39 | GGEORGE | no nothing like that - i had it all working nicely b4 except the mouse |
| 09:46.42 | WauloK | i want to be able to do higher resolution graphics modes |
| 09:46.53 | GGEORGE | we were given installation CD's |
| 09:46.55 | cheal | WauloK: generally nv is the choice for nvidia, but I believe I heard woody's Xfree86 doesn't support Ti 4200 |
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| 09:47.13 | WauloK | crud. so its sarge or nothing then |
| 09:47.15 | GGEORGE | i think it had a script which did all of that |
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| 09:47.25 | candyban | C17H21NO4: No matching physical volumes found |
| 09:47.46 | Harlin | anyone know how to change the icon sizes on Gnome? |
| 09:48.24 | atbash | can i just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules, or is it better to edit a 'local' file? |
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| 09:48.30 | cheal | WauloK: I'm not sure at all on this |
| 09:49.07 | cheal | WauloK: but sarge will be better for more than the video driver |
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| 09:49.22 | candyban | C17H21NO4: If I recreate the uuid on the disks, I will loose all data on these disks, right? |
| 09:49.30 | WauloK | i wonder how many more mb's to update to sarge tho. i dont get unlimited downloads |
| 09:50.06 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: I don't believe so, but you'll definitely want a second opinion ;) |
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| 09:50.38 | crackhead | what's the best way to install X, gnome and KDE? |
| 09:51.07 | nagual | tasksel if you have to ask |
| 09:51.07 | Aladinsexy | howto install a package without apt-get? |
| 09:51.10 | cheal | WauloK: most likely under 650 MB |
| 09:51.22 | cheal | Aladinsexy: dpkg -i foo.dev |
| 09:51.23 | nagual | Aladinsexy: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 09:51.30 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Any strange disk errors in messages? |
| 09:51.31 | Aladinsexy | thx |
| 09:51.35 | cheal | !tell crackhead about install gnome |
| 09:51.36 | crackhead | nagual :thanks ...that's what I was trying to remember |
| 09:51.40 | MobyTurbo | !start a window manager war |
| 09:51.40 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
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| 09:51.49 | GGEORGE | there's a message "exim config error in ln 6 /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 09:51.52 | cheal | crackhead: are you on sarge? |
| 09:52.04 | crackhead | cheal: yes |
| 09:52.17 | cheal | crackhead: sorry I missed that nagual already answered you |
| 09:52.19 | crackhead | cheal: why |
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| 09:52.36 | SilentB0B | I got to play a song in xmms... |
| 09:52.38 | SilentB0B | And it just freezes |
| 09:52.42 | SilentB0B | and stops responding |
| 09:52.45 | SilentB0B | so I killall xmms |
| 09:52.55 | SilentB0B | And then it shuts down, and I restart it.. |
| 09:52.58 | SilentB0B | Then the same thing. |
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| 09:53.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell SilentB0B about enter |
| 09:53.22 | crackhead | cheal: yeah...tasksel was exactly what I was looking for |
| 09:53.35 | crackhead | I just couldn't remember what it was called |
| 09:53.44 | atbash | can i just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules, or is it better to edit a 'local' file? |
| 09:53.52 | candyban | C17H21NO4: not to my knowlege |
| 09:53.58 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Are they on a controller card? I have seen similar errors after my promise card decided to reset itself, however the volume was still active. |
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| 09:54.28 | crackhead | is there a command to see what modules are available? |
| 09:54.28 | dondelelcaro | SilentB0B: you'll have to give a bit more detail. Most likely it's just a bug in xmms, or you've got a bug in the driver for your soundcard (or the sound output device for xmms) |
| 09:54.32 | candyban | C17H21NO4: They are on a Promise controller card |
| 09:54.44 | candyban | C17H21NO4: the volume disappeared after a reboot |
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| 09:54.48 | SilentB0B | dondelelcaro, My video works fine with mplayer though. |
| 09:54.48 | dondelelcaro | crackhead: ls -R /lib/modules/$(uname -r)|grep .ko |
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| 09:54.55 | dondelelcaro | SilentB0B: video != sound |
| 09:55.00 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Have you tried bouncing the box again? |
| 09:55.07 | GGEORGE | thanks ever so much for the help all |
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| 09:55.19 | SilentB0B | dondelelcaro, the sound with the video, I mean. |
| 09:55.20 | candyban | C17H21NO4: no ... |
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| 09:55.28 | SilentB0B | I can play stuff with mplayer fine, movies...and video/sound work fine. |
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| 09:55.36 | WauloK | sigh |
| 09:55.36 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : do you have a Promis controller card? |
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| 09:55.41 | candyban | C17H21NO4: but what good will that do? Linux can see the partitions just fine |
| 09:55.49 | dondelelcaro | SilentB0B: well, if it works fine in cplayer or whatever, and you're using the right output device (alsa or oss) in xmms, then it's probably just a bug in xmms. |
| 09:55.57 | GGEORGE | i think i'm going to go load XP |
| 09:56.02 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 <- What chemical is that anyway. |
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| 09:56.25 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I can do a hdparm -t on them, I can dd, fdisk ... I can see them in /proc/ide and /proc/partitions |
| 09:56.54 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: :D |
| 09:56.57 | candyban | C17H21NO4: so I doubt the problem is hardware ... or that Linux can't seem to access them properly |
| 09:57.31 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Just something easy to try before you take more drastic measures. |
| 09:57.46 | candyban | C17H21NO4: ok ... I'll be right back then ... |
| 09:58.13 | djw | if I've built something from source, ie apt-get -b source foo, then I change the source code, how to I make debian/rules build the package again |
| 09:58.18 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: Yes I have a promise card |
| 09:58.50 | dondelelcaro | djw: fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
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| 09:59.03 | stuartSan | how'd i extract .zip and .rar files in linxu |
| 09:59.03 | djw | ooops! I think I broke something |
| 09:59.10 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : cool....I just bought a promise fasttrack tx2000 raid card and installing it now |
| 09:59.14 | djw | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 09:59.15 | bob2 | stuartSan: with unrar and unzip |
| 09:59.18 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : any advice? |
| 09:59.32 | djw | actually that probably sounds sarcastic...... |
| 09:59.32 | nagual | unrar actually unrars? i use rar to unrar ;-) |
| 09:59.40 | Silensius | apt-get install rar unrar unzip |
| 09:59.47 | nagual | (i never got unrar to wrok and i know others who failed as well) |
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| 10:00.36 | dondelelcaro | nagual: it works fine on old rars, but because rar is k133t, it doesn't work on new ones. |
| 10:00.48 | chealer | I'm trying to blacklist vesafb. I did as instructed by dpkg's blacklist factoid with foo=vesafb but I rebooted and the module is loaded. what could I be missing? |
| 10:00.52 | dondelelcaro | (whatever the fuck k133t means) |
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| 10:01.07 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: Cross your fingers. :) It should just work. I didn't create raid on mine at first, which is a bitch because you can't do remote reboots. It wants a keypress. Creating a span with only one disk solves that problem. |
| 10:01.08 | nagual | k133t? |
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| 10:01.59 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: vesafb isn't loaded by hotplug |
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| 10:03.12 | chealer | C17H21NO4: anyway...what loads it or how can I manage to disable the frame buffer? |
| 10:03.28 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : so you have a raid card too? |
| 10:03.32 | qwertz | Just took a look at /var/mail and there were a mbox for www-data and mail - thought that this would be forwarded to me as configured in I think base-config - any ideas why this doesn't happen? |
| 10:03.51 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : or just a ide controller? |
| 10:04.06 | Supaplex | qwertz: aliases |
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| 10:04.22 | candyban | C17H21NO4: same problem |
| 10:04.31 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: probably need a kernel param. |
| 10:04.54 | insanekane | anyone know where i can get some statistics on the number of GNU/Linux web servers on the Internet ? |
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| 10:05.02 | chealer | C17H21NO4: you're saying I ned to recompile my kernel? |
| 10:05.02 | Supaplex | like vesafb=no or something. (/me looks) |
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| 10:05.09 | Supaplex | insanekane: netcraft |
| 10:05.14 | candyban | insanekane: netcraft ? |
| 10:05.14 | insanekane | Supaplex: thanks |
| 10:05.26 | insanekane | candyban: thanks |
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| 10:05.51 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: raid, but I just use it as a ide controller. Space is too valuable to me for raid, and loosing on drive is easier to live with than all of them. |
| 10:05.55 | h2k | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 << what does that mean? |
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| 10:07.00 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : I'm actually doing a raid1 |
| 10:07.02 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: No, there maybe a parameter you can pass to the kernel on boot. |
| 10:07.15 | atbash | i changed my udev-rules, how to i make them active without rebooting? |
| 10:07.16 | chealer | C17H21NO4: so, with grub? |
| 10:07.18 | Gathond | h2k: there were an error returned (errvalue 10 in this case) from some post-installation script in some package (which package should be noted above or below that line) |
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| 10:07.46 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: Yes, but I don't know what it would be. Supaplex is checking |
| 10:08.10 | h2k | Gathond, in the post-installation script i can see no exit 10 line, just exit 1 and exit 0 |
| 10:08.14 | obiat | where do the screenshots go when hit prntscrn key? |
| 10:08.18 | obiat | when i* |
| 10:08.21 | qwertz | Supaplex, thanks added both to aliases |
| 10:08.27 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : I'm trying to use this...http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Linux-Promise-RAID1-HOWTO.html |
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| 10:08.33 | chealer | C17H21NO4 , Supaplex: thanks, where do I need to check for the parameter to be used? |
| 10:08.54 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : but it's hard to follow since most of the modules seem to be there and I'm using grub |
| 10:09.00 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: No strange seek errors in /var/log/messages? |
| 10:09.03 | Gathond | h2k: status 10 might be something forced upon it by the kernel/shell then, not sure |
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| 10:09.33 | h2k | Gathond, any idea what might status 10 mean? |
| 10:09.44 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: Are you booting off raid? |
| 10:09.57 | crackhead | yes |
| 10:10.02 | Gathond | h2k: no, sorry |
| 10:10.07 | candyban | C17H21NO4: no |
| 10:10.50 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : i don't understand why I have to do this initial RAM disk thing either |
| 10:10.51 | chealer | I just rebooted my PC. there's nothing more recent than 2005-02-20 in /var/log/boot. cat /etc/default/bootlogd : BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
| 10:11.04 | chealer | what could cause this? |
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| 10:11.56 | chealer | maybe it's because I started in recovery mode :| |
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| 10:12.15 | rixth | How do I go about patching my Kernel? I've got my patch (patch-2.6.11.5) |
| 10:12.25 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : yes I'm booting off raid |
| 10:13.10 | Supaplex | chealer: does vesafb=off work? |
| 10:13.19 | bob2 | rixth: why? |
| 10:13.36 | rixth | Want to update from 2.6.10 to 2.6.11 |
| 10:13.40 | chealer | Supaplex: I was gonna ask you :) I'll try that (need to check grub stuff a bit too) |
| 10:14.22 | Supaplex | chealer: I'm off to bed. good luck. (I snaged that snippet from old irc logs. HTH) |
| 10:14.22 | fooz | damn. i need to learn portuguese |
| 10:14.22 | bob2 | rixth: 2.6.11 is in Debian |
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| 10:14.45 | rixth | I'm using 2.6.10 |
| 10:14.52 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: With some of the live cd's its noframebuffer /me thinks. |
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| 10:15.08 | rixth | Actually, I'm using 2.6.8 |
| 10:15.11 | chealer | Supaplex: thanks :) good night |
| 10:15.26 | fisher | good night ? |
| 10:15.35 | aeolist | hi, i am having trouble compiling the kernel: http://www.pastebin.com/260523 |
| 10:15.48 | Supaplex | fisher: yea, to me. me go Zzzz land now. |
| 10:15.58 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: I would try recreating the uuids, but like I said verify that it will not destroy anything |
| 10:16.01 | fisher | oooo |
| 10:16.06 | fisher | good night |
| 10:16.13 | chealer | bob2: in incoming :? |
| 10:16.42 | fisher | but now it is only 6:00 |
| 10:16.48 | ildegar | it's noon |
| 10:17.00 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: You don't need the initrd, if you compile the needed modules in the kernel |
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| 10:17.37 | chealer | C17H21NO4: a debian-amd64 post proposes video=vesa:off vga=normal |
| 10:17.39 | candyban | C17H21NO4: k |
| 10:17.56 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : which modules does it need? |
| 10:18.04 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: That should probably do it. |
| 10:18.20 | fisher | i am installing kde |
| 10:18.31 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: promise/ide/fs |
| 10:19.08 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : huh?...how do I find that? |
| 10:20.54 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: You need to compile in the modules for the promise card/pci modules/filesystem modules anything required to access the filesystem |
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| 10:22.42 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: and according to your howto scsi modules |
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| 10:24.01 | C17H21NO4 | crackhead: That is a very old howto though, the modules for my card are already in the kernel. I didn't have to download anything. I would assume as much for you. |
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| 10:26.13 | crackhead | C17H21NO4 : crossing fingers :) |
| 10:26.52 | carnage | whats a good desktop stats monitor for like network bandwidth, hard drive activity, cpu usage and such? |
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| 10:27.10 | chealer | C17H21NO4: I should pass the argument by editing the grub line that starts with "kernel", right? |
| 10:27.19 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: yes |
| 10:27.40 | chealer | thanks, I guess I'll try another possibility |
| 10:27.56 | chealer | carnage: gkrellm |
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| 10:28.09 | C17H21NO4 | carnage: what wm? |
| 10:28.21 | WauloK | anyone else take a guess at my xfree86 problem? |
| 10:28.23 | carnage | gnome |
| 10:28.37 | C17H21NO4 | carnage: gkrellm, gdesklets |
| 10:28.42 | neijk | whats your problem? |
| 10:28.47 | neijk | i just fixed one recently |
| 10:29.07 | WauloK | mine? apparently woody doesnt support nvidia ti 4200 with the nv driver |
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| 10:29.34 | neijk | hmm |
| 10:29.42 | neijk | lol nope |
| 10:29.53 | neijk | whats it doing are the resoloutions way out? |
| 10:29.57 | WauloK | so i cant run X on my computer |
| 10:30.09 | WauloK | no it just wont run X. drops back to command line |
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| 10:30.27 | Kvant | WauloK, what did the log say? |
| 10:30.34 | WauloK | seems i have to update to Sarge or not run debian |
| 10:30.54 | WauloK | No devices found iirc |
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| 10:31.34 | Kvant | WauloK, did you try the "vesa" driver? |
| 10:31.34 | WauloK | No devices detected |
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| 10:31.39 | WauloK | Kv: yeh |
| 10:31.47 | WauloK | and tried cutting down resolutions |
| 10:31.57 | WauloK | Knoppix works but apparently thats Sarge |
| 10:32.14 | C17H21NO4 | WauloK: http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3131&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 10:32.17 | Kvant | try copy knoppix' config? |
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| 10:32.41 | WauloK | ok c17. I'll have to reboot into windows so i can go to that webpage |
| 10:32.55 | C17H21NO4 | WauloK: lynx :) |
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| 10:34.31 | chealer | C17H21NO4: adding whether noframebuffer, vesafb=off or video=vesa:off vga=normal didn't help yet. I've seen the kernel say something about error -6 trying to load vesafb0 when I used video=vesa:off vga=normal. but vesafb was loaded at the end anyway |
| 10:34.31 | hseritt | is there a listing of all the names of packages you can use with apt-get install? i am having a hell of a time guessing what they are :D |
| 10:34.50 | _kaz | besides debian.org, what are some good debian pages for newbies? |
| 10:34.59 | chealer | hseritt: after you installed, dpkg -L foopackage |
| 10:35.00 | flawd | What deb is Esetroot in? Can't find it |
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| 10:35.08 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: does /dev/fb0 exist? |
| 10:35.10 | WauloK | :P im not using lynx and typing that in by hand :) |
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| 10:35.21 | flawd | _kaz, I like to check debianplanet.org ones in a while |
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| 10:35.30 | flawd | for news |
| 10:35.31 | C17H21NO4 | WauloK: lazy ;) |
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| 10:35.40 | hseritt | chealer, that does me no good... im trying to find the name for glib that i can use to install with either dpkg or apt-get |
| 10:35.43 | dawg | hseritt, apt-cache search foo |
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| 10:36.01 | WauloK | C17H21NO4 : u know me too well! |
| 10:36.13 | C17H21NO4 | WauloK: Is this better http://medlem.spray.se/erikwelander/nvidia-debian3.0-howto.htm |
| 10:36.17 | flawd | anyone know wjat package esetroot is in? |
| 10:36.20 | flawd | what |
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| 10:36.30 | WauloK | looks good ;) |
| 10:36.43 | chealer | C17H21NO4: no |
| 10:36.51 | dawg | flawd, eterm |
| 10:37.02 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: can you unload the module? |
| 10:37.14 | dawg | flawd, i'm assuming you mean Esetroot and not some other program that is lowercase |
| 10:37.20 | chealer | C17H21NO4: hum...yes :) |
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| 10:38.24 | candyban | C17H21NO4: it appears I lost 300 G ... ouch |
| 10:38.45 | candyban | C17H21NO4: no more lvm for me ... too experimental appearently |
| 10:38.48 | hseritt | dawg, are wildcards supported with package names? |
| 10:38.53 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Do you need some crisis counseling? ;) |
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| 10:39.16 | flawd | dawg, you assume correctly. I think it was quite obvious. thank you |
| 10:39.29 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I forsaw problems with lvm so most of the stuff was mirrored on other disks |
| 10:39.50 | candyban | C17H21NO4: though I probably did loose 50G of "real" data |
| 10:39.59 | chealer | C17H21NO4: now that I think about it, it may have something to do with X config. I'm running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and don't find anything about it though, do I miss something? |
| 10:40.10 | dawg | hseritt, foo is a regex |
| 10:40.22 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: whats the problem? |
| 10:40.30 | candyban | C17H21NO4: is software raid more stable? |
| 10:40.39 | candyban | C17H21NO4: instead of lvm |
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| 10:40.50 | candyban | s/instead/in contrast to/ |
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| 10:41.11 | chealer | C17H21NO4: I'd like to not make it load at boot |
| 10:41.20 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: I don't use it. It seems more restrictive to me. |
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| 10:41.41 | _kaz | anyone know if debian for AMD64 uses 2.6 kernel in its base? |
| 10:41.45 | fusion__ | I use raid0 on one box |
| 10:41.48 | fusion__ | it runs okay |
| 10:41.54 | candyban | C17H21NO4: Well ... I can't see how more restrictive it can be than lvm which does not allow me to access my data anymore |
| 10:42.08 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: Its not being used. |
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| 10:42.33 | SilentB0B | How can I lock down a program... |
| 10:42.38 | SilentB0B | So it doesn't have internet access. |
| 10:42.48 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: I can't recall the name of the program, but its for windows and you can probably recover that 50 gig |
| 10:42.48 | SilentB0B | Is there a gui or something I can use...like zonealarm/firewall from SP2 |
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| 10:43.10 | SilentB0B | Something that will prompt me when a process asks for internet access...so I can choose either yes or no to allow it. |
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| 10:43.31 | chealer | _kaz: maybe, ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 10:43.49 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I don't have windows ... and it's about 50G of movies / songs / downloaded stuff ... so I can get it back probably |
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| 10:44.23 | chealer | C17H21NO4: it's not being used? :| I had issues with nvidia's driver supposed to be caused by a framebuffer |
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| 10:44.32 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: If you can live with it so can I. |
| 10:44.49 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I am quite disappointed though |
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| 10:44.59 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: If there is no /dev/fb0, it's not being used. |
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| 10:45.18 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I thought lvm would 'rock' ... but appearently it crumbles (data) |
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| 10:45.50 | chealer | C17H21NO4: hum...ok |
| 10:45.53 | Fade_To_Black | hi |
| 10:45.55 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: I've been using it for 3 years without a problem. And I have really put it to the test |
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| 10:46.14 | gsling2003 | I don't know English. |
| 10:46.19 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I used it for 80 days ... one reboot and it's gone |
| 10:46.19 | skip_ | help please, how do I run a menu application as root? |
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| 10:46.32 | Daemon | sudo |
| 10:46.41 | Daemon | ..sorry.. su |
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| 10:46.53 | Fade_To_Black | can anyone help me? I apt-get installed a new kernel image, and when I boot it and try istalling the modules with modconf, it doesn't show any modules listed |
| 10:47.04 | chealer | gsling2003: what do you know? |
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| 10:47.27 | candyban | Fade_To_Black: did you compile the new modules and did you install them? |
| 10:47.30 | Fade_To_Black | yes |
| 10:47.36 | gsling2003 | a little english |
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| 10:47.43 | skip_ | Daemon: so I can put "su applicationname' as the command option for the application? |
| 10:47.47 | Fade_To_Black | they're in lib/modules/2.6.8/ |
| 10:47.54 | candyban | Fade_To_Black: ls /lib/modules/'uname -r` ... what does it give? |
| 10:48.04 | Fade_To_Black | yes it's the same |
| 10:48.13 | Daemon | ...no skip...just login as root when you need to run an app as root... |
| 10:48.14 | Fade_To_Black | I did initrd = yes too |
| 10:48.14 | nmoore | my cdrom drive does not have DMA enabled, so I edited hdparm.conf, however this doesn't seem to do the trick, which runlevel should hdparm service be in? is it possible that /dev/hdc doesn't exist early in the boot process? |
| 10:48.24 | Fade_To_Black | and modified grub to it |
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| 10:48.52 | skip_ | Daemon: isn't there some other way of running some apps as root without having to login as root? |
| 10:48.57 | valdyn_ | Fade_To_Black: and you didnt install module-init-tools ? |
| 10:49.01 | neijk | su |
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| 10:49.15 | Fade_To_Black | no, what's that? |
| 10:49.18 | mte | hi..it seems like sun jre1.5 doesn't work well.. whenever i try to access azureus web interface (which is a java applet) firefox stops responding, only kill -9 helps.. is this common? |
| 10:49.20 | candyban | skip_: sudo |
| 10:49.36 | neijk | su root (pass) |
| 10:49.58 | valdyn_ | !2.6 |
| 10:49.58 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6, or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 10:50.03 | candyban | neijk: sudo asks for the user password not the root password |
| 10:50.12 | Fade_To_Black | seems it present on my system, but how do I use it? |
| 10:50.14 | valdyn_ | Fade_To_Black: read ^^ or install a debian kernel =p |
| 10:50.17 | skip_ | candyban: thanks, I couldn't remember what it was...I'll have a look at the manual now |
| 10:50.40 | candyban | skip_: or if you trust everyone on your machine ... you can use the setuid bit |
| 10:50.44 | neijk | you can su into root |
| 10:50.53 | neijk | cant you? |
| 10:51.03 | candyban | neijk: yes, but then you need to know root password |
| 10:51.20 | neijk | well i know mine so i guess thats why i can do it.. |
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| 10:51.29 | neijk | never mind im an idiot i shall shut up |
| 10:51.31 | candyban | neijk: sudo is for delegating administrative tasks |
| 10:51.33 | gsling2003 | my oicp:79449483 |
| 10:51.36 | carnage | load average: 5.23, 3.46, 2.91..... um this is fucked... all i'm doing is downloading a few torrents, ircing and surfing the web... and this is a 1.5GHz machine... whats going on?? |
| 10:51.54 | valdyn_ | carnage: nothing |
| 10:52.08 | neijk | See this is why us 12 year old new people should have our own channels so we can all be stupid together and not make fools of our selfs |
| 10:52.08 | carnage | why are my load averages so high then? |
| 10:52.10 | candyban | neijk: so not everyone should know root password ... you can also restrict sudo to only allow commands for certain users, while su is a "real" root login |
| 10:52.14 | skip_ | ok, so how can I modify the application's options so that I can run it as root directly from the menu? |
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| 10:52.28 | valdyn_ | carnage: because you have a few processes in runnable state |
| 10:52.44 | neijk | candyban: yes, i see thank you. |
| 10:52.45 | candyban | skip_: chown root <application> ... chmod u+s <application> |
| 10:52.53 | candyban | skip_: at your own risk |
| 10:53.04 | skip_ | right, thanks |
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| 10:53.16 | carnage | in bsd i had to really work, like i'm talking multiple builds and dozens of applications running to get my load averages over 2... why are they so high in linux? |
| 10:53.29 | candyban | skip_: now everyone who has execute permission can call that application as root |
| 10:53.36 | valdyn_ | carnage: loadavg is not a benchmark, is your system sluggish? |
| 10:53.45 | carnage | yes it is |
| 10:54.00 | valdyn_ | carnage: _then_ something might be wrong |
| 10:54.03 | carnage | it took 10 seconds to open open office |
| 10:54.23 | candyban | carnage: did you do ooprelink? |
| 10:54.27 | valdyn_ | carnage: that doesnt seem unusual |
| 10:54.43 | carnage | whats ooprelink? |
| 10:54.49 | candyban | carles: oooprelink (sorry) |
| 10:55.06 | candyban | carnage: previous comment was for you |
| 10:55.18 | candyban | carnage: it prelinks OO.o |
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| 10:55.39 | carnage | everything is sluggish, not just OO |
| 10:55.41 | flawd | I installed idesk with apt-get install idesk, but there is no idesk executable |
| 10:55.53 | flawd | typing idesk nothing happens |
| 10:55.54 | candyban | carnage: prelink -va |
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| 10:56.13 | candyban | carnage: also checkout your "free" memory |
| 10:56.24 | carnage | i have a gig of ram |
| 10:56.39 | candyban | carnage: or top (to see if there are any processes which eat up all cpu) |
| 10:56.47 | candyban | carnage: then use hdparm to tune your disks |
| 10:57.03 | candyban | carnage: that should speed up things a bit |
| 10:57.50 | candyban | carnage: 1G of ram doesn't mean anything if you have e.g. a program with a memory leak |
| 10:57.56 | dezent | seven gigahertz of ram ! |
| 10:58.06 | carnage | heh |
| 10:58.20 | carnage | well nothings eating up my cpu time |
| 10:58.26 | rob^ | can anyone help me? |
| 10:58.27 | candyban | carnage: what does free say? |
| 10:58.29 | neijk | gigahertz.. |
| 10:58.42 | rob^ | oops, wrong chan |
| 10:58.45 | gsling2003 | who can help me? |
| 10:58.49 | rob^ | sorry |
| 10:58.51 | candyban | carnage: the line which starts with -/+ buffers/cache |
| 10:58.56 | carnage | well the amount of ram (1 gig) is equal to the amount of ram in use, in top |
| 10:59.22 | carnage | which seems weird to me... but then i'm used to bsd, not linux |
| 10:59.24 | Gathond | carnage: that is usual, since that counts memory currently used as cache/buffers |
| 10:59.25 | gsling2003 | In chinese |
| 10:59.43 | flawd | heh. I "apt-get install idesk"ed and searching /usr/ recursively for "idesk" gives no hits |
| 10:59.56 | Gathond | carnage: and cache/buffers are freed if the kernel needs the memory for a process, until then it just caches as much as possible of IO |
| 11:00.04 | candyban | carnage: can you copy the output of "free" ? (the one which starts with -/+ buffers |
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| 11:00.29 | carnage | Mem: 1036524k total, 1030800k used, 5724k free, 2316k buffers |
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| 11:00.58 | valdyn_ | carnage: thats from top, not free |
| 11:01.07 | Gathond | carnage: not that line, and from free |
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| 11:01.18 | carnage | -/+ buffers/cache: 493272 543252 |
| 11:01.54 | carnage | heh there is about a 30 second delay to load man pages from a terminal right now |
| 11:01.57 | Gathond | carnage: so you have used 500 MB as caches and have 540 MB free memory if the caches are cleared |
| 11:01.58 | carnage | this is sad |
| 11:01.59 | WauloK | ok downloaded the NVidia files from the website but can't build them. missing "linux/modversion.h" :-/ |
| 11:02.11 | candyban | carnage: you are using about 500M or "real" RAM and 540 of cache (filesystem) ... so you have about 540 MB of useable ram |
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| 11:02.27 | jhiver | hi all |
| 11:02.34 | carnage | so is it bad that i only setup 128mb for swap then? |
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| 11:02.53 | nevyn | carnage: no. |
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| 11:02.56 | Gathond | carnage: one thing that might raise the load average alot is if you harddrives dont use UDMA, since every disk access have to be done by software in the kernel |
| 11:02.58 | valdyn_ | carnage: depending on your workload you dont need swap at all at 1 gig ram |
| 11:03.12 | jhiver | does anybody know of a "setting up a mail server with IMAP capability for idiots" guide? |
| 11:03.13 | candyban | carnage: run prelink -va (it can take some time) |
| 11:03.15 | carnage | thats what i thought |
| 11:03.16 | Gathond | valdyn_: swap might still be an advantage though |
| 11:03.22 | jhiver | i've been googling but i'm overwhelmed |
| 11:03.23 | carnage | i have no prelink |
| 11:03.29 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 11:03.35 | candyban | apt-get install prelink ? |
| 11:03.39 | nevyn | prelink is not going to help with manpages being slow |
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| 11:03.45 | valdyn_ | Gathond: a small one |
| 11:03.59 | Gathond | valdyn_: depends on the situation, as always :) |
| 11:04.02 | nevyn | setting up man for caching will. |
| 11:04.09 | candyban | nevyn: oh ... didn't know he just wanted to have his man to run faster :) |
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| 11:04.20 | candyban | nevyn: saw him complain about slow performance |
| 11:04.26 | flawd | WauloK, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html |
| 11:04.35 | candyban | carnage: which is your main hd? |
| 11:04.43 | carnage | well seeing as how i am downloading about 7 files from torrents and theres about 900kB/s comming through my nic right now, it is plausable that the bottleneck it at the hard drive |
| 11:04.45 | candyban | carnage: did you enable dma ? |
| 11:05.03 | valdyn_ | candyban: type "hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma" |
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| 11:05.03 | nevyn | carnage: that's unlikely. |
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| 11:05.23 | flawd | so, the idesk deb package contains no binary |
| 11:05.23 | nevyn | carnage: if your disk is relativly modern it should be able to sustain at least 20mb/second |
| 11:05.23 | candyban | valdyn_: I know how to use hdparm :) |
| 11:05.28 | flawd | weird |
| 11:05.30 | candyban | valdyn_: but thanks anyways ;) |
| 11:05.32 | Gathond | carnage: might be, especially if the torrent program makes alot of writes at different locations on the disk |
| 11:05.33 | valdyn_ | candyban: so is dma on? |
| 11:05.48 | candyban | valdyn_: dunno ... ask carnage |
| 11:05.49 | carnage | donno, how do i check? hdparm? |
| 11:05.57 | valdyn_ | candyban: oh sorry |
| 11:06.05 | candyban | carnage: check valdyn_'s comment |
| 11:06.06 | Gathond | carnage: the hdparm thing he just wrote :) |
| 11:06.08 | valdyn_ | carnage: hdparm /dev/hda |
| 11:06.10 | candyban | carnage: apt-get install hdparm |
| 11:06.14 | Ftroop | morning! |
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| 11:06.38 | candyban | carnage: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX (where X is your ide disk) ... |
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| 11:06.55 | Gathond | nevyn: but that performance is sequential read/write, if it is simultanious read/write to alot of files that number will be reduced very drastically (unless the cache system can compensate) |
| 11:06.59 | valdyn_ | switching on dma manually is not recommended.. |
| 11:07.08 | carnage | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:07.09 | candyban | valdyn_: why not? |
| 11:07.32 | candyban | valdyn_: I'm doing it since 1999 or 2000 |
| 11:07.38 | candyban | valdyn_: never had a problem |
| 11:07.41 | valdyn_ | candyban: because unless you explicitely disable the automatic enabling of dma in your kernel's config, the kernel had a good reason not to activate it |
| 11:07.52 | Gathond | valdyn_: depends on why it was not enabled, if the kernel just have it disabled per default it should be ok, if it disabled it because of a driver/hardware issue then you are correct |
| 11:08.13 | valdyn_ | Gathond: yea, what i wrote, debian enables it by default in its kernels |
| 11:08.17 | Gathond | valdyn_: iirc the automatic enabling is off per default |
| 11:08.23 | valdyn_ | Gathond: no |
| 11:08.31 | flawd | how can I checked what a packag that was installed actually installed and where? |
| 11:08.34 | Gathond | valdyn_: in the kernel.org things anyway |
| 11:08.34 | carnage | so why can't i get hdparm with apt-get? |
| 11:08.45 | valdyn_ | Gathond: oh, that might be, no idea |
| 11:08.46 | Gathond | carnage: run apt-get update first |
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| 11:09.14 | Ftroop | quick question can i write to a ntfs partition safely? |
| 11:09.19 | carnage | nm heh i wasn't even root when i tried to use hdparm |
| 11:09.21 | valdyn_ | Ftroop: no |
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| 11:09.32 | carnage | whats wrong with captive-ntfs? |
| 11:09.38 | Ftroop | lol ok thanks |
| 11:10.08 | carnage | hdparm says dma is on |
| 11:10.23 | candyban | carnage: hdparm -t /dev/hdX |
| 11:10.55 | carnage | Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.21 seconds = 11.82 MB/sec |
| 11:11.07 | candyban | carnage: how old is that disk? |
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| 11:11.14 | carnage | thats on a 80gig 7200rpm 8mb cache drive |
| 11:11.32 | valdyn_ | that value is fine |
| 11:11.33 | Gathond | carnage: well, depending on wether the drive is busy that might be right |
| 11:11.38 | candyban | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:11.56 | carnage | its pretty busy, like i said, 900kB/s through the nic straight onto the disk |
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| 11:12.16 | carnage | too bad it couldn't be buffered in my 1 gig of ram somehow and then written in efficent chunks |
| 11:12.17 | Gathond | and 7 torrents at 1 MB/s (assuming this means alot of small writes of different sections of different files) I actually think that is a good value |
| 11:12.21 | candyban | carnage: oh ... still working ... nm then :) |
| 11:12.37 | valdyn_ | carnage: does your system feel sluggish still after you disable you torrent stuff? |
| 11:12.48 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: After looking around, trying different pci slots may solve your problem. If you haven't already blown away the disks. |
| 11:12.51 | Gathond | carnage: that is probably a tradeoff in the torrent client in relation to memory usage |
| 11:13.07 | candyban | C17H21NO4: they are blown |
| 11:13.09 | carnage | more sluggish than fbsd was on this system but not compaired to how sluggish it is now :p |
| 11:13.15 | candyban | C17H21NO4: But I can see the disks |
| 11:13.21 | candyban | I can write to them |
| 11:13.35 | valdyn_ | carnage: which kernel are you using? |
| 11:13.37 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I can do anything except have lvm recognize the disks |
| 11:13.52 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I recreated the disks and it appeared just fine |
| 11:14.00 | carnage | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 11:14.09 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: without lvm? |
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| 11:14.31 | candyban | C17H21NO4: but when I tried to mount it, it said I had to specify the filesystem (meaning I lost all data) |
| 11:14.38 | candyban | C17H21NO4: no, with lvm |
| 11:14.57 | candyban | C17H21NO4: I used lvcreate, vgcreate, vgcfgrestore |
| 11:15.04 | valdyn_ | carnage: is the torrent stuff each running in a bloated terminal thing like gnome-terminal? |
| 11:15.19 | candyban | C17H21NO4: then vgscan, pvscan, and lvscan showed the correct disks and stuff |
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| 11:15.48 | carnage | hey there is an option in the torrent client prefs "flush data to disk every 5 minutes"... is that what i want to get it to write to the files in chunks to fix this? |
| 11:16.01 | C17H21NO4 | candyban: Did it kill the partitions? |
| 11:16.11 | flawd | how can I checked what a packag that was installed actually installed and where? |
| 11:16.28 | carnage | valdyn_, yeah, it is heh |
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| 11:17.49 | candyban | C17H21NO4: with pvcreate, I recreated my disks with the uuid ... vgscan did not show up anything ... so I used vgcreate lvmdisk ... then vgscan showed my disk ... then I used lvscan which did not show my disk ... then I used vgrestore ... and then lvscan showed up my disk ... (dunno before or after /etc/init.d/lvm start) |
| 11:18.13 | candyban | C17H21NO4: so I tried to mount the logical disk ... but failed |
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| 11:18.35 | candyban | C17H21NO4: => me disappointed => me destroy disks |
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| 11:19.02 | candyban | C17H21NO4: so now I'll try linux raid thingy |
| 11:19.04 | coll | which is the last ver of deb, sarge? |
| 11:19.17 | candyban | C17H21NO4: which should be more solid than lvm |
| 11:19.22 | bob2 | coll: woody |
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| 11:19.53 | coll | should i be installing that or wait a little till something else comes along? |
| 11:20.24 | coll | like is there some new dist thats gonna get released in 2 weeks or something |
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| 11:21.31 | topa_ | is there a debian-way of installing perl modules ? |
| 11:21.36 | p88 | hi what is the debian command for tcpdump? |
| 11:21.37 | topa_ | other than CPAN |
| 11:21.48 | bob2 | coll: sarge will come out at some point, hopefully soon |
| 11:21.53 | bob2 | topa_: dh-make-perl |
| 11:21.57 | bob2 | p88: tcpdump. |
| 11:22.02 | p88 | it is not there |
| 11:22.03 | valdyn_ | carnage: i get a load of 1.87 instead of 0.30 by just starting 3 tops in 3 gnome-terminals |
| 11:22.09 | p88 | is it a package? |
| 11:22.11 | bob2 | p88: perhaps you didn't install it? |
| 11:22.13 | valdyn_ | carnage: but that doesnt make my system sluggish |
| 11:22.15 | coll | bob2: some point is a year or what :)? |
| 11:22.36 | p88 | ah it is indeed a package |
| 11:22.39 | bob2 | coll: at some point, hopefully soon |
| 11:22.42 | bob2 | coll: no one knows |
| 11:22.47 | bob2 | p88: everything in debian is from a package |
| 11:22.52 | bob2 | the base system is very minimal |
| 11:23.01 | carnage | maybe reiserfs really sucks... its what i used at my root filesystem :/ |
| 11:23.04 | topa_ | bob2 dh-make-perl is to create Deb packages of perl modules, I need to install them |
| 11:23.12 | bob2 | topa_: ? |
| 11:23.18 | bob2 | topa_: make the .deb. install the .deb. |
| 11:23.41 | valdyn_ | carnage: you would see reiserfsd eating cpu time if that was a filesystem problem |
| 11:23.49 | coll | if i install woody, how can i upgrade to sarge? |
| 11:24.13 | carnage | but nothing is eating up cpu time |
| 11:24.31 | carnage | Cpu(s): 72.2% us, 22.8% sy, 1.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 1.3% hi, 2.6% si |
| 11:24.32 | bob2 | coll: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 11:24.36 | bob2 | coll: it's quite simple |
| 11:25.01 | carnage | well not nothing but XFree is still at the top of the list at 27% |
| 11:25.09 | valdyn_ | carnage: that looks like you cpu is 100% busy |
| 11:25.43 | valdyn_ | carnage: that 27% might be thanks to your X driver + gnome-terminal |
| 11:25.56 | joniroot | Help with "ide2: unexpected interrupt" ...¿? |
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| 11:26.17 | WauloK | what should i type to update woody -> sarge |
| 11:26.32 | carnage | well theres like 60% missing if everything in top should add up to 100 |
| 11:26.39 | valdyn_ | carnage: last time I check, opening a new tab in each gnome-terminal kept it from wasting cpu |
| 11:26.53 | bob2 | WauloK: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 11:27.04 | valdyn_ | carnage: and displaying that empty tab, naturally |
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| 11:28.30 | WauloK | ta |
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| 11:28.40 | valdyn_ | carnage: also you might want to try screen and detach all those torrent programs |
| 11:29.07 | abrocadabro | I am trying to setup a H323 gatekeeper for VOIP, I always got rejected form the gatekeeper if I am trying to register from gnomemeeting on a different host, the error message is "invalidRASAddress", any ideas? |
| 11:29.11 | Gathond | might want to hold of gnome until he gets a dual 4 GHz machine :) |
| 11:29.38 | Chameleon22 | whats a good GUI client for mysql? mysql-admin seems more admin ther dba type program ... , preferably system app, as in not web app |
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| 11:31.00 | SoboL | Hi |
| 11:31.21 | valdyn_ | carnage: also check your X driver, if its vesa id suspect it to easily put load on your system to display stuff |
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| 11:31.50 | SoboL | Ive installed some some apps ( Mail-SpamAssassin , HTML-Tagset ) useing cpan, is there anyway to remove those modules ( uninstall them ? ) |
| 11:32.48 | SoboL | perl -MCPAN -e 'install Mail::SpamAssassin' , ive used this command, but there is no uninstall |
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| 11:33.13 | carnage | whats a good torrent client thats either console based or keeps it all in one window if there is a gui? |
| 11:33.41 | drac | carnage: qtorrent for gui, and keeping all in same window. |
| 11:33.56 | llama32 | wow... i just noticed how much CPU xfree uses when i move a window |
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| 11:34.40 | SoboL | When i go to ~/.cpan/build/package and do make uninstall , ive get: "no packlist file found: at /usr/share/perl/5.8/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 318." , and im working under debian |
| 11:34.47 | carnage | um... wtf: S01060050fc71a11b:/home/ether# apt-cache search qtorrent |
| 11:34.47 | carnage | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:35.08 | carnage | apparently my apt is broken now too heh |
| 11:35.30 | drac | mirrors.kernel.org ? |
| 11:35.47 | carnage | netselect did it |
| 11:35.48 | drac | for apt source? |
| 11:36.16 | drac | run apt-setup |
| 11:36.26 | carnage | ok |
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| 11:37.11 | idnar | carnage: that error could also just mean that you changed sources.list and haven't done apt-get update yet |
| 11:37.27 | stuartSan | guys how do i view .png files |
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| 11:37.51 | stuartSan | and is there like a slideshow app so i can view many .png files in one directory by just clicking next |
| 11:37.57 | sebastian | hello |
| 11:38.04 | sebastian | cls |
| 11:38.07 | drac | stuartSan: try gimageview out. |
| 11:38.18 | stuartSan | drac, even if i don't use gnome/kde? |
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| 11:38.31 | sebastian | how can I control the speed of my laptop |
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| 11:38.49 | sebastian | I have to download powernow k7 or something like that |
| 11:38.55 | sebastian | can someone help me? |
| 11:38.56 | drac | stuartSan: yea, why not. it's GTK. |
| 11:39.00 | reg | hi |
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| 11:39.12 | stuartSan | drac, kay thanks. |
| 11:39.14 | wanderer_ | hi ppl |
| 11:39.36 | stuartSan | !ppl |
| 11:39.36 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 11:39.37 | SoboL | no cpan guru here ? :( |
| 11:40.10 | wanderer_ | hi pEOple? |
| 11:40.15 | wanderer_ | do you feel allright now? |
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| 11:40.36 | debian-san | :-) |
| 11:40.38 | qwertz | Does the crontab file of root need a user column or is it just the /etc/crontab? |
| 11:40.50 | bob2 | qwertz: right |
| 11:41.21 | rapi | hello |
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| 11:41.26 | reg | When I modify a little "upstram sources" of a package, the best is to patch directly or to make a "sys-build.mk" ? |
| 11:41.35 | rapi | someones uses xdm? |
| 11:42.26 | rapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.07 | pingouin_ | and /etc/init.d/xdm start ? |
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| 11:43.38 | rapi | pingouin_, :) i'v do it |
| 11:44.21 | mellis | DE |
| 11:44.24 | mellis | HOLA |
| 11:44.27 | mellis | HELLO |
| 11:44.41 | pingouin_ | konnichiha mellis ;) |
| 11:44.45 | mellis | WATH TALK IN SPANISH?? |
| 11:44.57 | pingouin_ | i dont know spanish |
| 11:45.05 | idnar | !es |
| 11:45.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:45.22 | qwertz | bob2, thanks |
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| 11:46.05 | wanderer_ | hey guys, I've seen some fancy desktop programs, showing RAM usage, CPU temperature, and things like that. |
| 11:46.06 | bob2 | reg: depends how much you change it |
| 11:46.12 | bob2 | wanderer_: gdesklets |
| 11:46.27 | wanderer_ | hmm okay, thx |
| 11:46.43 | Pappa | or.. gkrellm |
| 11:47.03 | Pappa | which is not that fancy, but uses way less resources |
| 11:47.04 | reg | bob2: I change 2 lines in *.c main file |
| 11:47.18 | bob2 | reg: if that's the only change, it's probably not worth it |
| 11:47.37 | bob2 | reg: if you find yourself making multiple changes, some of which should go upstream, etc, then it's definitely a good idea to use a patch system |
| 11:47.55 | wanderer_ | which one would you recommend? |
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| 11:48.01 | wanderer_ | gkrellm or gdesklets |
| 11:48.06 | reg | bob2: ok, then "sys-build.mk" is for multiples patches |
| 11:48.15 | wanderer_ | if the primary criterion were user-friendliness? |
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| 11:48.33 | bob2 | reg: well, it will work for one, but there's not much point for such a small change |
| 11:48.41 | kopke | hi all, I'think I've a problem with udev |
| 11:49.04 | stuartSan | drac, how do i run gimageview tho |
| 11:49.06 | reg | bob2: ok. I will just patch, note it in changelog and warn upstream author. |
| 11:49.19 | bob2 | reg: cool! |
| 11:49.23 | reg | bob2: thanks ! |
| 11:49.25 | kopke | I've recently change my kernel from a 2.6.9 with devfs to 2.6.11 with udev, and when I boot, there are no /dev/console or /dev/tty[1-9]* |
| 11:49.28 | kopke | :/ |
| 11:49.52 | kopke | I had to do MAKDEV std generic to get it |
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| 11:50.04 | kopke | my udev version is 0.54 |
| 11:50.07 | deadline | hi, i want a total minimized system for optimal performance. i have disabled a few services yet, but there are still services running i'm not sure i really need them. i don't run any network server, which one of these should i disable/stop from booting up: atd, cron, klogd, syslogd, portmap. rpc.statd, xfs, nfs ? |
| 11:50.09 | bob2 | reg: there's the #debian-mentors channel and debian-mentors@lists.d.o list, too, if you ever need more help |
| 11:50.41 | xam | deadline: get rid of portmap, rpc.statd, xfs and nfs |
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| 11:51.02 | wanderer_ | deadline: I think you wouldn't need cron either |
| 11:51.05 | reg | bob2: ok :) |
| 11:51.09 | deadline | xam: ok, thanks. do i really need klogd AND syslogd, aren't they doing the same? |
| 11:51.13 | kopke | is there any one taht could help me? |
| 11:51.41 | xam | deadline: nope, klogd passes kernel messages to syslog |
| 11:51.45 | deadline | wanderer_: what is cron doing actually? is it kind of task scheduler? |
| 11:52.03 | wanderer_ | yep. |
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| 11:53.01 | xam | deadline: you probably don't want to stop cron, but you could stop atd. you should keep cron if you intend to let you PC switched on 24h/day |
| 11:53.26 | deadline | xam: the machine is running 24/7 indeed |
| 11:53.40 | xam | deadline: eg. there are cron jobs that rotate log files etc |
| 11:54.16 | deadline | xam: so if i leave cron enabled i can remove atd? |
| 11:54.30 | deadline | xam: isn't xfs needed for fonts in X ? |
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| 11:55.11 | xam | deadline: atd is kind of similar to cron, however atd is for jobs that should be executed once on a specific time, whereas cron is for jobs that should be executed on a regular basis. |
| 11:55.35 | fortytwo | hmms, trying to installer testing/sarge with the debian-installer (rc2), but it says it cant find any kernel modules on any of the install mirrors that i tried? any ideas? |
| 11:55.51 | fortytwo | (i use the netboot image too boot via pxe) |
| 11:56.01 | xam | deadline: nope, xfs is most often not needed. the X server can render fonts without xfs |
| 11:56.19 | fortytwo | it works fine up until i get to choose mirror |
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| 11:56.23 | deadline | xam: ok, thanks. i've another problem aswell. when i shut down X, in text mode everything is unreadable, strange characters instead of letters. any idea what is wrong? |
| 11:57.11 | C17H21NO4 | deadline: try ^a^o |
| 11:57.13 | xam | deadline: perhaps you have linux framebuffer enabled/disabled? if enabled, try to disable and the other way round ... |
| 11:57.14 | deadline | xam: it looks then like when you try to read a tarball with 'cat' |
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| 11:57.49 | deadline | xam: how can i check it? |
| 11:57.54 | ikaro | mojn |
| 11:58.11 | xam | deadline: 'dmesg |grep fb0' |
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| 11:58.32 | deadline | xam: vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 11:59.32 | Pappa | very bad |
| 11:59.34 | xam | deadline: or try searching for 'framebuffer' in general ... anyway that is often enough the reason for messed up textmode |
| 11:59.42 | Pappa | my <bits/mathinline.h> is broken |
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| 12:00.41 | deadline | xam: can i shoot with another question? |
| 12:00.56 | xam | deadline: ;) |
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| 12:02.46 | xam | deadline: btw, if your text screen shows up a penguin on boot, you definitely have framebuffer enabled. Anyway, shoot |
| 12:03.01 | deadline | xam: when booting the machine with 2.6.8-2 kernel, i see that some modules can't be loaded it says like : /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp: operation not permitted. the same problem with module 'shpchp'. i check the permissions of that files already, but they seem to be ok. what could i do? |
| 12:03.13 | deadline | xam: there is no tux... |
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| 12:04.28 | deadline | xam: any idea in the last case? |
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| 12:05.14 | xam | deadline: that is no problem. Those modules are for 'PCI Express' and 'Hotplug PCI' controller/buses. You most likely don't have those (unless you have a expensive server), so just igore those 'errors' |
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| 12:05.51 | raz0 | Does anyone in here know a mirror for the java vm? Sun's website seems two be down the 2nd day in a row. |
| 12:06.11 | deadline | xam: ok thanks. |
| 12:06.32 | togs | what's the mysql database package called? |
| 12:06.44 | Kvant | raz0, www.java.com ? |
| 12:07.00 | stuartSan | anyone know how i can keep the images at 100% in gimageview |
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| 12:07.09 | stuartSan | everytime i move to the next pic, freakin pic gets resized to 30% |
| 12:07.23 | stuartSan | tried everything in options |
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| 12:08.13 | xam | raz0: strange, I just tried java.sun.com and started downloading jse-5.0 for linux without problems |
| 12:08.55 | raz0 | xam: Odd. I just timeout. |
| 12:09.11 | togs | how do you list the available packages for install? |
| 12:10.00 | Kvant | togs, apt-cache search keyword |
| 12:10.20 | togs | ta |
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| 12:13.09 | llama32 | what's my ps2 mouse device likely to be? all i can think of is psaux but that might of been on freebsd... |
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| 12:14.05 | mariluz_ | buenas |
| 12:14.18 | raz0 | xam: Would I be asking for too much, if I asked you to DCC me java? :-) |
| 12:15.04 | xam | raz0: yeah, since dcc won't work here :- |
| 12:15.10 | xam | ( |
| 12:15.13 | llama32 | ah mouse is psaux |
| 12:15.39 | xam | raz0: connected via ipv6 ... |
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| 12:19.13 | raz0 | xam: Okay, I see. Guess I'll have to fetch it via .. urgh.. eDonkey. :/ |
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| 12:22.26 | mte | hi..i modified /etc/group manually (added myself to a group) but the changes are not visible until rebooting. how to make them available without a reboot? also - i think editing that file manually isn't wise. how to do it correctly? |
| 12:22.52 | Remmy | mte: Just log out and log in again.... no reboot needed then |
| 12:23.02 | mte | Remmy tnx |
| 12:23.22 | Remmy | NP :) |
| 12:23.28 | mte | Remmy but still i have to exit X... |
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| 12:23.45 | Remmy | mte: I don't know how to do it otherwise either :( |
| 12:23.49 | togs | dpkg tells me to use "dpkg-reconfigure <package>" to reconfig a package, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't exist and I can't apt it? |
| 12:23.56 | Remmy | It seems to read / evaluate it upon login |
| 12:24.03 | Remmy | and I don't know how to force it to do so again |
| 12:24.10 | mte | Remmy ok tnx anyway;) |
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| 12:24.29 | Remmy | Sorry |
| 12:24.33 | mte | togs are you root? |
| 12:24.46 | togs | good point, let me check |
| 12:25.17 | mte | you have to su to root to make it available (or modify your path, but this isn't a good idea) |
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| 12:25.45 | togs | got you. how does debian do that? other distros display all the commands, you just can't run them |
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| 12:25.56 | Rebecca | hi.. i just wanted to install mplayer on deb sarge, but i cant find it in synaptic.. have i made a mistake.. or is it missing for a reason? |
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| 12:26.39 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 12:26.54 | pingouin_ | Rebecca: do you have ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html in your source list ? |
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| 12:27.13 | valentinos | prota dernis mas |
| 12:27.40 | mte | Rebecca put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:29.58 | Rebecca | pingouin_: no |
| 12:30.02 | Rebecca | mte: ok :) |
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| 12:34.15 | Nijan | hello, ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused, can anybody help me? I disabled the shorewall firewall |
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| 12:34.27 | Remmy | I'm trying to remove a package, but it is being very stubborn: |
| 12:34.29 | Remmy | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 12:34.29 | Remmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.37 | Remmy | And stops... how can I get rid of it? |
| 12:36.13 | paddy | Remmy, dpkg --help | grep force |
| 12:36.24 | paddy | but use with caution |
| 12:36.36 | atbash | Nijan: sshd running? |
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| 12:36.59 | atbash | Nijan: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 12:37.19 | Nijan | of course |
| 12:37.42 | Nijan | ps -aux | grep ssh works. |
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| 12:38.24 | togs | i've only just started using SSH. Mna, it's great |
| 12:38.31 | togs | Man, rather |
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| 12:39.40 | mte | umm..after installing ssh and configuring it to run sshd - is it automatically loaded on boot or no? |
| 12:39.55 | Nijan | yes |
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| 12:40.33 | mte | tnx |
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| 12:42.08 | Taraxacum | i have a problem since i made an dist upgrade with apt |
| 12:42.41 | Taraxacum | since my keyboard is wireless it now misses something to let me write anything with my keyboard after i have started up |
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| 12:44.03 | mte | i have 2.6.7 kernel - should i get the kernel-image-2.6.8 or not? is installing the package enough? do i need to run lilo after? anything else? |
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| 12:45.12 | Flimzy | mte: If you install it with dpkg/apt, it should update lilo for you. |
| 12:45.23 | Flimzy | mte: Whether or not you SHOULD get it is a question only you can answer. |
| 12:45.28 | jan_ | anyone inhere has samba (for shares) + ldap auth ? I'm having this problem to find out what domainID i have with samba :) is it just S-1-0-0- ? |
| 12:45.41 | Phated | No, you need to update lilo on your own. |
| 12:45.57 | Tepa87 | what is a good server in Northen Europe (Finland) to instal debian from internet? |
| 12:46.01 | Flimzy | Phated: Are you sure? |
| 12:46.19 | mte | Flimzy well as far as i know i don't needed but i have read somewhere that 2.6.7 has some security bugs or whatever? |
| 12:46.24 | Flimzy | Phated: Debian kernel packages should take care of that for you. |
| 12:46.28 | atbash | it automatically updates grub, that's for sure |
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| 12:46.36 | Phated | Flimzy: I've installed kernels with dpkg and had to edit and run lilo. Yes, I am sure. |
| 12:46.44 | Flimzy | Phated: Debian kernel packages have always updated lilo for me. |
| 12:46.53 | Flimzy | Phated: I think your lilo config is b0rked, then. |
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| 12:47.05 | Phated | I've used packages from make-kpkg. So. |
| 12:47.12 | Flimzy | Phated: Yeah, me too. |
| 12:47.18 | Flimzy | Phated: And they've always updated lilo for me. |
| 12:47.19 | mte | could this be that apt-get does it and dpkg not? |
| 12:47.22 | Phated | Perhaps kernel-image does it, but I've always updated lilo. |
| 12:47.29 | Flimzy | mte: No. They use the same system. |
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| 12:47.34 | mte | i see |
| 12:47.38 | Phated | Maybe it does do it, but I'm compulsive about updating it on my own anyway. |
| 12:47.41 | Flimzy | Phated: make-kpkg *definately* updates lilo. |
| 12:47.57 | Flimzy | Phated: And I've always assumed that kernel-images do, too, since I think they're all made the same way. |
| 12:48.25 | Flimzy | Phated: I think you need to update your knowledge on the matter :) |
| 12:48.37 | Phated | Probably. You need to add the initrd line in lilo, though, if you apt-get install kernel-image-whatever. |
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| 12:49.50 | Taraxacum | anyone know how to access ext2 partition in windows? |
| 12:49.59 | Flimzy | Phated: most ppl don't use initrd |
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| 12:50.06 | timo | Taraxacum, explore2fs |
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| 12:50.08 | jetscreamer | Taraxacum, google explore2fs |
| 12:50.23 | MobyTurbo | Flimzy: kernel-image kernels use initrd |
| 12:50.26 | Flimzy | Phated: initrd is usually only used for removable boot media, or network boots. |
| 12:50.35 | Flimzy | MobyTurbo: weird. why? |
| 12:50.44 | Phated | If you apt-get install a kernel-image, you -will- have an initrd. |
| 12:50.54 | MobyTurbo | Flimzy: or for if your kernel has all file systems as modules |
| 12:51.02 | jetscreamer | and btw sometimes you can fuxor stuff to where lilo doesn't get automatically updated.... it 'should' do it though. |
| 12:51.03 | Flimzy | MobyTurbo: ah |
| 12:51.12 | Phated | Flimzy: They can't build in everything needed to boot, so they use initrds to ensure that the kernels will boot on a large number of systems with different hardware, I believe. |
| 12:51.25 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 12:51.39 | Flimzy | Well that makes me glad I never use pre-built kernel-images then. hehe |
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| 12:51.55 | mte | ok guys i've just installed the package without running lilo, i'll reboot and then report ;) |
| 12:52.13 | mte | (if successful) ;) |
| 12:52.20 | jetscreamer | did it ask you if you wanted it to run lilo for you? |
| 12:52.23 | jetscreamer | too late |
| 12:52.42 | Phated | It's actually never asked me if I wanted lilo run for me. |
| 12:52.55 | Phated | Interestingly. |
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| 12:52.55 | Albacker | guys, I have debian sarge with 2.6.7 kernel. |
| 12:53.00 | Albacker | It doesnt have gnome/kde |
| 12:53.05 | Albacker | what can I do ? |
| 12:53.07 | jetscreamer | it really says 'do you want me to install a boot block with the pre existing lilo configuration' or so |
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| 12:53.10 | Phated | So... install gnome/kde? |
| 12:53.16 | Albacker | atm I'm not in debian. |
| 12:53.25 | Phated | Oh, that? Yeah, I've had that asked. |
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| 12:53.32 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system gnome |
| 12:53.51 | p88 | hi I want to deinstall bash and I set the shell of all my users to zsh which I have installed. Still, the package manager is crying because bash is essential. Is it safe to remove it? |
| 12:54.03 | nagual | how evil of you |
| 12:54.11 | nagual | no, its not safe to remove it |
| 12:54.16 | jez | is there a way to make it possible to double tap my mousepad to drag and drop? |
| 12:54.27 | p88 | what is using it for which I can't remove it? |
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| 12:54.32 | Flimzy | p88: You can let everyone use zsh without removing bash. |
| 12:54.44 | Flimzy | p88: Many packages use bash |
| 12:54.49 | p88 | okay |
| 12:54.57 | Albacker | can anyone help me ? |
| 12:54.58 | jetscreamer | p88 i'd guess maintennance scripts, but i dunno |
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| 12:55.10 | jetscreamer | Albacker, wtf i told you what to do |
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| 12:55.22 | mte | ok it was successful, no need to run lilo and no need to add initrd in lilo.conf (maybe it's there already?) ;) |
| 12:55.29 | Flimzy | jethro: maintainence scripts are supposed to depend on sh, not bash specifically. Altho some do have bashisms against that standard. |
| 12:55.40 | jetscreamer | oh i see, i'm not good enough to qualify as 'anyone' |
| 12:55.40 | Flimzy | mte: Probably. |
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| 12:56.04 | Albacker | sorry, didnt recognize it. I look only lines where my name is :S jetscreamer |
| 12:56.24 | Flimzy | Albacker: You need to adjust your habit then, and look at all lines :P |
| 12:56.31 | jetscreamer | mte, yeah with a d-i install the initrd line is there, with a woody idepci install it's not |
| 12:56.45 | mte | d-i? |
| 12:56.58 | p88 | what about dhcp-client? I have set my ip and everything statically. Can I then remove dhcp-client or is it also used by something? |
| 12:57.00 | Albacker | jetscreamer: what about connecting to the internet first ? I use dial-up. ise there any pppconfig ? |
| 12:57.04 | jetscreamer | mte, if you ever roll your own kernel you'll have to comment out the initrd line (unless you keep using one) |
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| 12:57.07 | Tepa87 | what is a good server in Northen Europe (Finland) to instal debian from internet? I managed to destroy windows (!) already and it would be nice if i got help |
| 12:57.18 | jetscreamer | Albacker, you typed the command :) |
| 12:57.23 | Phated | Just use any server. |
| 12:57.24 | mte | jetscreamer ok tnx;) |
| 12:57.26 | pureone | ftp.debian.co.uk |
| 12:57.27 | jetscreamer | !info pppconfig |
| 12:57.43 | dpkg | pppconfig: (A text menu based utility for configuring ppp), section base, is optional. Version: 2.3.10 (sid), Packaged size: 220 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
| 12:57.44 | Tepa87 | thanks a lot |
| 12:57.44 | Albacker | thanx, jetscreamer. |
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| 12:58.02 | jetscreamer | there is also pppoeconfig |
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| 12:58.17 | Albacker | what for ? |
| 12:58.23 | candyban | Can anyone recommend a filesystem for a software RAID 0 fs? (2 disks 160G each) to contain "big" files |
| 12:58.26 | jetscreamer | dsl pppoe setup |
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| 12:58.33 | jetscreamer | jfs |
| 12:58.44 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: d-i includes ppp now? Last time I checked in order to run sid/sarge you had to get a woody installer and dist-upgrade |
| 12:58.44 | Albacker | and is there pon/poff or wvdial for using the pppconfig file <connecting to the internet ? |
| 12:58.57 | candyban | jetscreamer: is that any good? |
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| 12:59.08 | Flimzy | Tepa87: http://mirror.debian.org/ |
| 12:59.08 | jetscreamer | MobyTurbo, think it's there, pretty sure, i know i've removed it before |
| 12:59.22 | jetscreamer | MobyTurbo, as for during setup, i dunno |
| 12:59.23 | candyban | jetscreamer: what advantages does it have over xfs/ext3/reiser ? |
| 12:59.35 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: really... Maybe I should have another look at d-i then. |
| 12:59.44 | jetscreamer | well for one you don't need a ups |
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| 12:59.55 | Albacker | !info pon |
| 12:59.56 | fflush | ups? |
| 13:00.05 | Phated | Uninterruptible power supply. |
| 13:00.24 | Albacker | what does debian use to connect to the internet ? |
| 13:00.27 | Albacker | !info wvdial |
| 13:00.30 | jetscreamer | i did the research, but don't remember specifics... i determined that jfs was superior to reiser & xfs for my needs (not even looking at ext3 since i had one) |
| 13:00.33 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
| 13:00.35 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: pon, wvdial, or whatever |
| 13:00.38 | xk | !info ppp |
| 13:00.38 | Flimzy | United Parcel Service (What can brown do for you?) |
| 13:00.39 | Erdos_ | Hi, which file I have to modify to exclude the cleaning of packages cache at boot ? |
| 13:00.42 | xk | pppoe |
| 13:00.43 | dpkg | ppp: (Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-20041231+3 (sid), Packaged size: 317 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB |
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| 13:01.09 | jetscreamer | as for the rest, do the research and determine your needs for yourself |
| 13:01.13 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: I run pon in Debian, it's not in its own package. |
| 13:01.16 | jez | is there a way to make it possible to double tap my mousepad to drag and drop? i'm using xfce. |
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| 13:01.59 | Albacker | MobyTurbo I need something that it's in the CD, so I can get other packages |
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| 13:02.36 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: well, since I install with Woody, I don't know too much about d-i |
| 13:02.48 | Albacker | thanks anyway :D |
| 13:03.14 | xk | hrm... anyone compiled sshfs-fuse? |
| 13:03.22 | Albacker | I havent choosed yet, between debian sarge or ubuntu. or the debian package with 2 cds, which inclued gnome. |
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| 13:03.36 | Erdos_ | Hi, which file I have to modify to exclude the cleaning of packages cache at boot ? |
| 13:03.46 | jetscreamer | Albacker, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 13:04.54 | Albacker | thnx |
| 13:04.59 | xk | ahh... forgot libfuse, heh. |
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| 13:06.01 | now3d | Hi, I am using mplayer with debian, I wonder if anyone could tell me if Xv is the fastest output route? I have nvidia proprietary kernel module configured in X |
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| 13:07.32 | xk | now3d: yes. |
| 13:07.58 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: thanks for that URL, apparantly d-i is doable for PPP users. |
| 13:07.59 | xk | fucking signoff message |
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| 13:08.39 | Tepa87 | it seems that I had some problems with network connection (and still have), thanks anyway |
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| 13:09.22 | xk | now3d: if xv is still slow... well... blame your graphics card ;) |
| 13:09.52 | now3d | xk: with Xv it is great, i have a 5950 ultra |
| 13:10.10 | jetscreamer | a cat bit me yesterday. not your regular average ordinary everyday catbite, but a wrapped his mouth as far around my arm as he possibly could and bit as hard as he possibly could and sunk his teeth to my bone kind of bite. |
| 13:10.31 | pingouin_ | about graphic cards, is it possible to «downgrade» the nvidia driver from 7167 to the previous version 6xx9 ? |
| 13:10.43 | gary | How do i change the appearence of firefox fonts, and the look of it in general. I think it uses gtk2, i don't have gnome installed or anything like that. Any ideas on how to get it to look a little different using gtk themes or something |
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| 13:11.09 | jetscreamer | pingouin_, just uninstall then install i guess, works with the .run dunno bout .deb |
| 13:11.21 | pingouin_ | gary : check the edit/preference/general/font&colors |
| 13:11.41 | jetscreamer | gary, see also about:config (put that in the address bar and hit enter) |
| 13:11.47 | MobyTurbo | gary: if you want to change anti-aliasing, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 13:12.06 | pingouin_ | jetscreamer: i must install it with the .deb, amd64 running, and the sh NVidia-blah fail |
| 13:12.09 | pingouin_ | but thx anyway |
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| 13:12.43 | radiodurans | i have an asus a7v133, bios doesn't detect hard drive, on board controller does...when i try to run qtparted on a linux live cd, it show it but when i click on it the program shuts down...any ideas? |
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| 13:13.23 | edon | hmm, why the base color doesn't change in gtk (with most themes), I am on sid? |
| 13:13.23 | jetscreamer | updateing bios not an option? |
| 13:13.50 | radiodurans | i dont think there were any more updates after 2001 |
| 13:13.56 | Rebecca | ummm.. im trying to setup debian to play my movie collection. but im having the problem that a lot of the movies dont play. is there a codec pack i could try installing or something? |
| 13:14.17 | Rebecca | ive got mplayer and xine on it so far |
| 13:14.26 | Rebecca | installing VLC now |
| 13:14.27 | gary | MobyTurbo: it didn't even ask if i wanted anti-aliasing |
| 13:14.29 | jetscreamer | w32codecs |
| 13:14.36 | jetscreamer | !tell Rebecca about marillat |
| 13:14.56 | jetscreamer | gary i had to set that font thing in about:config iirc |
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| 13:15.10 | gary | pingouin_, jetscreamer : thanks, although i was speaking a little more specifically. I had gnome installed, but i didn't use it, so i uninstalled it, and the look of firefox and some other gtk-dependent applications has changed a bit |
| 13:15.16 | MobyTurbo | gary: it asks for several different forms of antialiasing, true |
| 13:15.16 | gary | i was wondering if i can apply gtk themes somehow |
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| 13:15.27 | gary | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 13:15.43 | jetscreamer | font.freetype2.blah |
| 13:15.46 | Rebecca | thanks jetscreamer :) |
| 13:15.54 | jetscreamer | !gtk-theme-switch |
| 13:15.56 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 13:16.29 | radiodurans | jetscreamer: on one page i found it said "ou need to edit your Bios options to look to the Promise controller as the primary boot option". i dont see this in the menu where would it be? |
| 13:16.46 | xk | radiodurans: you have an external controller? |
| 13:16.59 | radiodurans | xk: nope its onboard |
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| 13:17.03 | jetscreamer | you'd set that in the bios boot options i reckon |
| 13:17.22 | gary | what is font.anti-alias.min mean ? |
| 13:17.28 | gary | it is an integer, default value of 10 |
| 13:17.30 | gary | it's not size |
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| 13:17.48 | jetscreamer | it was font.freetype2.sharedlibrary that i had to set iirc |
| 13:17.48 | xk | probably minimum size to apply anti-aliasing. |
| 13:17.55 | radiodurans | jetscreamer: dont see it :( just cd dvd floppy hard drive etc |
| 13:18.07 | jetscreamer | radiodurans, no idea |
| 13:18.15 | jetscreamer | asus.com maybe |
| 13:18.26 | edon | nobody else having problems with the gtk themes? |
| 13:18.28 | radiodurans | jetscreamer: k... |
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| 13:18.44 | gary | i found font.freetype2.shared-library which is set to : libfreetype.so.6 atm |
| 13:19.07 | qwertz | does anybody know a tool that converts utf8 filenames to iso8859-1 ones? |
| 13:19.23 | jetscreamer | i set mine to the full path, /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 and it worked |
| 13:19.47 | jetscreamer | mine didn't work before... but i dunno what it was set to |
| 13:19.48 | Albacker | where can I get debian sarge, with 2 cds, which includes X, desktop manager etc. [gnome] |
| 13:20.04 | gary | .... /usr/lib isn't in my path, so i'll try and set it to the explicit path too |
| 13:20.37 | daSpiDaH | hi! I am trying to install sarge with kernel 2.6. Earlier I installed sarge with the 2.4 kernel without any problems, but now the installation program simply wont work. After choosing keyboard layout the installation program tells me that no cd-rom is detected, and the installation process wont proceed. Does anywone recognize my problem. I found a thread on a linux forum, but the problem was not solved |
| 13:20.56 | jetscreamer | Albacker, all i know is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:21.17 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: sarge is a moving target, you need to use the netinst CD. |
| 13:21.29 | jetscreamer | daSpiDaH, ive found that expert26 works a lot better, but it's been a while |
| 13:21.37 | jetscreamer | oh btw DON'T USE RC2 |
| 13:21.42 | MobyTurbo | Albacker: if you read the /topic though, cdimage.d.o is down. |
| 13:21.42 | MobyTurbo | (if it gets back up let me know) |
| 13:21.45 | daSpiDaH | okej |
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| 13:21.55 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
| 13:22.20 | daSpiDaH | how do I reach the expert26 mode? is it another option when I install? |
| 13:22.33 | jetscreamer | type it at the boot: prompt |
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| 13:22.36 | jetscreamer | when it says hit f3 |
| 13:22.37 | xk | anyone have an asus mb with q-fan settings? |
| 13:22.42 | newbie_ | /etc/lilo.conf is properly configured |
| 13:22.42 | newbie_ | [15:06:23] <ZaKa> i type lilo as root after or bifore reboot? |
| 13:22.42 | xk | (in the bios) |
| 13:22.49 | newbie_ | sorry |
| 13:22.53 | jetscreamer | newbie_, before |
| 13:23.15 | daSpiDaH | jetscreamer: ok, thakz |
| 13:23.22 | newbie_ | i need to know how can i make a rescue disk |
| 13:23.33 | jetscreamer | grub-floppy |
| 13:23.41 | edon | any sid, and gnome user here? |
| 13:23.46 | jetscreamer | none |
| 13:24.03 | gary | The worst text in firefox is the text shown in the addressbar and on the tabs |
| 13:24.06 | jetscreamer | sid&gnome were deprecated |
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| 13:24.28 | jetscreamer | somebody make me some coffee i onlyhave one hand! |
| 13:24.34 | xoz | gary: tried changing dpi? |
| 13:24.46 | gary | i'll try now |
| 13:25.05 | daSpiDaH | jetscreamer: If I am to download a new version of Sarge, wich is the most stable? I have read that "rc3".. might contain problems... |
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| 13:25.15 | daSpiDaH | jetscreamer: any recommendations |
| 13:25.18 | jetscreamer | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html |
| 13:25.31 | gary | that worked nicely xoz, thank you |
| 13:25.34 | jetscreamer | daSpiDaH, read that last url i pasted... before ^ that one |
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| 13:25.44 | daSpiDaH | ok |
| 13:25.48 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
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| 13:25.52 | mte | hi..how to convince alsa to use 2 soundcards? i configured one with alsaconf and added alias snd-card-1 snd-ice1712 in /etc/modprobe.d/sound but this obviously is not enough..what did i miss? |
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| 13:26.18 | jetscreamer | daSpiDaH, so get a daily not rc2 |
| 13:26.34 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 13:26.37 | Allman | I have an SMC8036TX PCMCIA Ethernet card which works perfectly with the 2.4.18-bf2.4 Debian default installation kernel. But I have problems trying to make it work with the 2.6 kernel. I have managed to get PCMCIA services up and running 2.6.11.5, but I have no idea about how to make this card work. In 2.4, the following modules made it work: cb_enabler, tulip_cb - any suggestions? |
| 13:26.38 | xk | xoz: you're in japan? my friend is going back to japan tonight/tomorrow ;) |
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| 13:27.06 | xoz | xk: what's his business here? ;) |
| 13:27.38 | daSpiDaH | jetscreamer: where can I find "daily" iso images? |
| 13:28.04 | xk | xoz: teaching english ;) |
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| 13:28.14 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 13:28.24 | jetscreamer | all netinstall though |
| 13:28.26 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 13:28.39 | Fastjack_ | hello @all |
| 13:29.20 | Fastjack_ | someone from germany ? |
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| 13:30.01 | daSpiDaH | jetscreamer: thankz |
| 13:30.09 | gary | The other really annoying thing about firefox is when the download window pops up, it is always maximum size, and i can't find a way of changing it |
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| 13:30.15 | Bella | hello |
| 13:30.15 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 13:30.15 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:30.36 | Bella | anybody here knows how to run xclients inside chrooted environment? |
| 13:30.37 | xoz | gary: what's your window manager? |
| 13:30.39 | gary | fluxbox |
| 13:30.45 | gary | It is set to remember dimensions as well |
| 13:30.50 | Fastjack_ | lol pretty unfriendly then i stay here :-) |
| 13:30.53 | gary | but it just doesn't work |
| 13:31.31 | xoz | gary: make the popup to execute in background tab |
| 13:31.35 | Fastjack_ | i had some questions about masquarading can somebody help me a little ? |
| 13:31.43 | jetscreamer | i have the problem of 'when i close a maximized window, when it opens again, it's tiled full' |
| 13:32.49 | gary | xoz: you mean beneath the browser window? |
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| 13:33.42 | xoz | gary: just kidding... it may have the option to open new window in new tab in the background |
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| 13:34.12 | gary | oh :D |
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| 13:35.10 | radiodurans | hmmm when i go to the primary controller it detects the hard drive, secondary controller doesnt... |
| 13:35.16 | xoz | gary: have you restarted flux after telling it to remember the dimension? or maybe try openbox to check if it's wm problem |
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| 13:37.17 | candyban | which package contains mkraid ? google returns me raidtools or raidtools2 but I can't find them in the debian repo (for sid) |
| 13:37.20 | Okys | hi all |
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| 13:37.36 | jetscreamer | !find raidtool |
| 13:37.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'raidtool' (1): (/etc/modutils/raidtools2, /etc/cron.daily/raidtools2, /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/raidtools2) in admin/raidtools2. |
| 13:37.56 | Okys | i was wondering, is there always a /etc/apt/preference ? |
| 13:37.56 | jetscreamer | !info raidtools2 |
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| 13:38.12 | candyban | !info raidtools2 |
| 13:38.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.41 | Allman | I have an SMC8036TX PCMCIA Ethernet card which works perfectly with the 2.4.18-bf2.4 Debian default installation kernel. But I have problems trying to make it work with the 2.6 kernel. I have managed to get PCMCIA services up and running 2.6.11.5, but I have no idea about how to make this card work. In 2.4, the following modules made it work: cb_enabler, tulip_cb - any suggestions? |
| 13:38.57 | candyban | jetscreamer: so ... which package do I need to install for mkraid? |
| 13:39.03 | candyban | !info mkraid |
| 13:39.13 | qwertz | I'd like to have a framebuffer console when starting debian but adding vga=792 to grubs boot options I just get a black screen - any suggestions? |
| 13:39.14 | jetscreamer | modutils i think, lemme check |
| 13:39.15 | xk | candyban: s/info/find/ |
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| 13:39.20 | jetscreamer | try 791 |
| 13:39.24 | candyban | !find mkraid |
| 13:39.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkraid' (1): (/sbin/mkraid) in admin/raidtools2. |
| 13:39.43 | Okys | i was wondering, is there always a /etc/apt/preference ? |
| 13:39.55 | xk | Okys: no. not by default. |
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| 13:40.18 | Okys | xk, oh k taa |
| 13:40.24 | candyban | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 13:40.57 | candyban | xk: it says admin/raidtools2, but when you look for raidtools2 it says no such package |
| 13:40.59 | siward | Allman: i read something about that on d-i recently, iirc that poster solved it by using module tulip instead, look in the mailinglist archive for details. |
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| 13:41.14 | xk | candyban: sarge or woody? |
| 13:41.23 | candyban | xk: sid |
| 13:41.32 | jetscreamer | beat shit out of me candyban |
| 13:41.41 | xk | !info raidtools2 |
| 13:41.47 | xk | !info raidtools2 sarge |
| 13:41.56 | xk | candyban: hrm... maybe a bug in the bot. |
| 13:42.05 | jetscreamer | xk, apt-file finds raidtools2 but there's no package |
| 13:42.16 | candyban | xk: no ... unless there's a bug in apt-cache as well |
| 13:42.33 | jetscreamer | raidtools2: etc/modutils/raidtools2 |
| 13:42.34 | xk | ;) |
| 13:43.41 | jetscreamer | but there's no raidtools2 |
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| 13:44.28 | Gnurdux | im trying to uninstall a source qemu and there are soem files im not sure whether qejmu made or not |
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| 13:45.10 | max | does anybody have a working G400 + Frambuffer + Kernel 2.6.10 |
| 13:45.11 | Gnurdux | /usr/local/man/man1 |
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| 13:45.21 | xk | max: yes, don't use it, yes. :) |
| 13:45.31 | max | why not? |
| 13:45.41 | helix | max is my cat's name |
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| 13:45.50 | xk | max: I don't see the point of the framebuffer stuff. |
| 13:45.58 | Gnurdux | does /usr/local/man/man1 exist by default? |
| 13:46.16 | FieldySnuts | xk: to slow your display down to the point of annoyance |
| 13:46.19 | drac | Gnurdux: no. |
| 13:46.24 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 13:46.31 | Gnurdux | /usr/local/man does tho |
| 13:46.36 | max | xk: I have to display an image on a tv with the second G400 output and i whanted to use fbview! |
| 13:46.40 | candyban | xk, jetscreamer : any idea where I can find mkraid? (preferably a .deb for sid) |
| 13:47.01 | max | xk: any other idea to realize this? |
| 13:47.05 | Gnurdux | /usr/local/share/doc |
| 13:47.15 | newbie_ | how can i make a rescue disk from debian? plz, i use gnome |
| 13:47.29 | Gnurdux | /usr/local/share/fonts.cache-1 |
| 13:47.36 | Gnurdux | a rescue disk? |
| 13:47.37 | ep | New install/update. Should I manage mount points with "discover". The default selection is "NO" but it seems like a good thing? |
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| 13:47.42 | jetscreamer | grub-floppy newbie_ |
| 13:47.46 | newbie_ | Gnurdux: yes:) |
| 13:47.46 | Gnurdux | why not get a totally new one |
| 13:47.47 | bob2 | ep: if it's sarge, no |
| 13:47.47 | jetscreamer | ep, NO |
| 13:47.52 | bob2 | because discover is crap |
| 13:47.54 | thenuke | newbie_: you could like download some floppydisk distribution of linux from the interweb |
| 13:47.55 | Gnurdux | one with busybox? |
| 13:48.05 | Gnurdux | exactly |
| 13:48.07 | ep | got it:) How come NO |
| 13:48.12 | thenuke | newbie_: and then write that on the floppy and there you have rescue disk then |
| 13:48.19 | MobyTurbo | cdimage.d.o is back up, someone should update the /topic |
| 13:48.26 | newbie_ | thenuke: where can i found it?:) |
| 13:48.33 | FieldySnuts | heh. a topic update on sunday, good luck |
| 13:48.35 | jetscreamer | ep, my mount points kept disappearing, as in it rmdir'd em |
| 13:48.39 | Gnurdux | does /usr/local/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 exist by default? |
| 13:48.40 | xk | max: I haven't used my second display port yet... so I wouldn't know... I'd use xinemera |
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| 13:48.53 | thenuke | newbie_: google for 'rescue linux' |
| 13:48.57 | newbie_ | :) |
| 13:49.05 | thenuke | you will find many kind of floppy linuxes then |
| 13:49.12 | green_earz | newbie_: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm |
| 13:49.17 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 13:49.19 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet |
| 13:49.20 | Gnurdux | no thats NOT what he wants |
| 13:49.21 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.21 | max | xk: i just need the second output for displaying a picture |
| 13:49.24 | Gnurdux | a grub boot floppy |
| 13:49.24 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 13:49.28 | Gnurdux | will boot HIS system |
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| 13:49.30 | FieldySnuts | woo |
| 13:49.36 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.46 | MobyTurbo | bob2: thanks |
| 13:49.54 | max | but patches from "http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/linux/matrox-latest/" don't work with debian kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 13:50.42 | ep | Might have something to do with why hda never showed up on anything:) |
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| 13:51.24 | ep | I think, on the install, I selected yes to discover. |
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| 13:51.49 | Gnurdux | does /usr/local/share/fonts/fonts.cache-1 exist by default? |
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| 13:52.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart Gnurdux |
| 13:52.39 | Gnurdux | sorry but i used a amkefile to isntall |
| 13:52.44 | Gnurdux | and now im trying to unistall |
| 13:52.52 | max | so knowbody uses G400 + frambuffer to access a TV on the second output? |
| 13:53.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: anyone use? |
| 13:53.48 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:53.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 13:53.54 | fortytwo | hmms, is it safe to use nvidias own installer in sarge? seems like there is no more nvidia-kernel packages? |
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| 13:54.26 | infodroid | Bella: did you get your chroot question answered? |
| 13:54.31 | fortytwo | or will that break stuff? |
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| 13:55.10 | MobyTurbo | fortytwo: I've done it, but it does break GNUstep unless you use LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.3.89 |
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| 13:55.22 | green_earz | fortytwo: go for the debian way of installing nvidia > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 13:55.55 | Phated | /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner too. |
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| 13:56.50 | ep | How do I configure my printer, its partially supported. KDE's "add printer" is greyed out. I'd rather do it manually anyway. |
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| 13:57.51 | valdyn_ | !cups |
| 13:57.52 | dpkg | i guess cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 13:58.22 | ep | First off, how can I determine if CUPS is installed or if the damein (sp) is running? |
| 13:58.24 | FieldySnuts | ttt |
| 13:58.30 | green_earz | ep: http://localhost:631/ |
| 13:58.33 | valdyn_ | ep: /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 13:59.28 | Taraxacum | can someone give me a hint on how i can fix my keyboard that is missing when i boot linux? |
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| 14:00.40 | daSpiDaH | I am trying to download a daily sarge cdimage - all md5sums are wrong!? |
| 14:00.40 | xoz | Taraxacum: kernel ver? debian flavour? |
| 14:00.47 | Taraxacum | sarge |
| 14:00.56 | ep | valdyn_, I don't understand "/msg" is a directory |
| 14:00.58 | Taraxacum | 2.6 something |
| 14:01.02 | xoz | kernel? |
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| 14:01.09 | suzzi__ | howdy all |
| 14:01.12 | ep | nm |
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| 14:01.44 | xoz | Taraxacum: missing before or just recently? |
| 14:01.55 | jetscreamer | tell mom to give it back |
| 14:01.58 | Taraxacum | recently |
| 14:02.03 | green_earz | daSpiDaH: is it a sarge netinstaller ? |
| 14:02.15 | xoz | Taraxacum: what changes you made? upgrade the kernel? |
| 14:02.32 | Taraxacum | "dist upgrade" with apt |
| 14:02.33 | xoz | Taraxacum: tell us more info. |
| 14:02.45 | Taraxacum | and after that it didn't want to work |
| 14:02.49 | suzzi__ | any one know of a slick way to set up a system where you set up an 'image' drive and have another 'system' drive and on boot you wipe the 'system' drive and replace it with the 'image' drive? |
| 14:02.58 | ep | green_earz, Could not connect to host localhost (port 631). via konqueror browser. If thats what you meant |
| 14:03.05 | gsling2003 | 什么时候æ‰èƒ½å‡ºæ£å¼ç‰ˆçš„debian sarge |
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| 14:03.25 | xk | gsling2003: stop it with those characters. |
| 14:03.37 | gsling2003 | Ok |
| 14:03.42 | xk | because it broke my terminal |
| 14:03.46 | FieldySnuts | what chars |
| 14:03.55 | bob2 | pointless unicode crap |
| 14:04.02 | xdr | np: The Beatles - Don't Pass Me By |
| 14:04.03 | xk | ;) |
| 14:04.09 | bob2 | xdr: turn that off |
| 14:04.11 | green_earz | ep: it looks like you do not have cups install |
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| 14:04.16 | FieldySnuts | that is pretty dumb,. annoys some, breaks terms |
| 14:04.25 | FieldySnuts | almost as annoying as "music i'm listening to" scripts |
| 14:04.29 | xk | ;) |
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| 14:04.32 | httpdss | i have a linux box running as a router that connects adsl modem with a cabled network (2 NICs) ... i want to add a wireless card to it and make an adhoc netowrk between that wireless card and other pcs that have a wireless card connecting them to the internet... where should i look for information ?? (i dont want to use an AP) |
| 14:04.34 | gary | How do you extract .tar.bz2 files? |
| 14:04.40 | gary | is it tar -xjvf file.tar.bz2 ? |
| 14:04.41 | bob2 | gary: -j to tar |
| 14:04.41 | xk | gary: tar -zxvf blah.tar.bz2 |
| 14:04.46 | xk | er |
| 14:04.51 | FieldySnuts | man tar |
| 14:04.51 | xk | j not, z ;) |
| 14:04.55 | gary | hmm, thank |
| 14:04.57 | gary | thanks |
| 14:05.13 | xdr | bob2: it was in the wrong channel, sorry |
| 14:05.15 | ep | So first step is "apt-get install cups" ? |
| 14:05.16 | xk | gary: j has to be before x. |
| 14:05.24 | gsling2003 | How do you extract .zip.gz |
| 14:05.36 | xk | gunzip blah.zip.gz; unzip blah.zip |
| 14:05.40 | valdyn_ | ep: in your irc client, type "/msg dpkg cups setup" |
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| 14:06.05 | gary | I get this error: |
| 14:06.07 | gary | gary@hooksy:~/p$ tar jxvf gtk-chtheme-0.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 14:06.07 | gary | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.12 | gary | but it's there |
| 14:06.25 | gary | i mean the file i'm trying to extract is there |
| 14:06.26 | bob2 | gary: install bzip2 |
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| 14:06.31 | valdyn_ | gary: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 14:06.33 | mirak | wich bash command permit de repeat a command in loop ? |
| 14:06.38 | gary | i thought that was the problem, but i just didn't know it was a seperate application |
| 14:06.50 | bob2 | mirak: while |
| 14:06.53 | mirak | beside for or while, isn't there a command ? |
| 14:07.02 | bob2 | watch? |
| 14:07.10 | mirak | I though there was a command with a repeat timer |
| 14:07.18 | FieldySnuts | watch |
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| 14:07.45 | mirak | thanks |
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| 14:08.04 | ravn | anyone: how do I recover a file I just happen to delete with rm -R? |
| 14:08.08 | jetscreamer | do ? |
| 14:08.17 | bob2 | ravn: you can't, in general |
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| 14:08.25 | ep | valdyn_, I did as dpkg suggested: An error occurred while loading http://localhost:631/ |
| 14:08.32 | ravn | man rm says I can, but not how... |
| 14:08.36 | green_earz | ep: check out the link it should give you the info you need > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-W...s-Shared-Printing/getting_started.html |
| 14:08.40 | jetscreamer | ep, fix it, mine works |
| 14:09.07 | bob2 | ravn: no |
| 14:09.15 | valdyn_ | ep: which error? |
| 14:09.17 | bob2 | ravn: unmount the partition, right now |
| 14:09.23 | bob2 | every second you waste makes it less likely |
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| 14:09.39 | gsling2003 | In debian linux,how do I mount the LAN share dir? |
| 14:10.00 | thenuke | gsling2003: might depend on that what shares it |
| 14:10.01 | valdyn_ | gsling2003: a windows share? |
| 14:10.12 | gsling2003 | yes. |
| 14:10.20 | thenuke | samba is for that |
| 14:10.32 | ep | valdyn_, Kong doesnt say error #. The message is Could not connect to host localhost (port 631). |
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| 14:10.36 | thenuke | you should find a lots of help from google how to use that |
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| 14:11.07 | valdyn_ | gsling2003: mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=pw //host/share /mountpoint |
| 14:11.08 | jetscreamer | ep, do you have cupsys? try apt-get install cupsys |
| 14:11.10 | gsling2003 | mount -t smbfs //218.62.29.74/user /mnt/mp3? |
| 14:11.14 | ravn | bob2: I can't it's buissy... |
| 14:11.21 | valdyn_ | ep: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart, then try again |
| 14:11.30 | ep | ok |
| 14:11.43 | FieldySnuts | drop to single user mode (init 1 as root), do it then |
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| 14:12.03 | daft_ | I dont have any device that lissens to my mouse mdetect isnt detectecting anything How can I get it to work\ |
| 14:12.14 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 14:12.15 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 14:12.23 | bob2 | ravn: then you're screwed |
| 14:12.33 | mommer | Hi. I'm using debian stable with postfix from backports.org, and want to use smtpauth. But that needs postfix-tls, which isn't available on backports. Any idea where I can get that postfix-tls with a modern postfix? |
| 14:12.58 | Sero | Can anyone give me some fast mirrors? |
| 14:13.11 | FieldySnuts | ah deleted a file. either restore it from backups, give up, or if it's really important, pay a data recovery company |
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| 14:13.15 | FieldySnuts | guess he did init 1. |
| 14:13.16 | jetscreamer | ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 14:13.31 | FieldySnuts | I assumed he knew what it did, wasn't my intention to boot him off line. |
| 14:13.31 | daft_ | jetscreamer I tryed that already |
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| 14:14.20 | jetscreamer | daft_, what kind of mouse |
| 14:14.47 | jetscreamer | and what about modprobe psmouse then |
| 14:15.00 | gsling2003_ | root@0[root]# mount -t smbfs //218.62.29.74/user /mp3 -o username=guest,password=guest |
| 14:15.22 | jetscreamer | gsling2003, thanks for the passwords |
| 14:15.23 | gsling2003_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //218.62.29.74/user, |
| 14:15.23 | gsling2003_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.27 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 14:15.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack gsling2003_ |
| 14:16.01 | thenuke | gsling2003: do you have the samba.. |
| 14:16.02 | thenuke | :) |
| 14:16.03 | pureone | mmm porn |
| 14:16.11 | gsling2003_ | NO |
| 14:16.11 | gsling2003_ | yes |
| 14:16.16 | FieldySnuts | s/\/\\/g |
| 14:16.23 | jetscreamer | pureone, you need to apt-get install pronview then :) |
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| 14:16.29 | jetscreamer | err pornview |
| 14:16.31 | thenuke | and do not tell ppl in IRC your passwords and usernames ;D |
| 14:16.31 | Mardus | Hi all |
| 14:16.33 | gsling2003_ | apt-get install samba;apt-get install samba-client |
| 14:16.36 | pureone | hehe |
| 14:17.05 | idnar | given that they were 'guest', 'guest', it seems like the damage was already done ;P |
| 14:17.25 | daft_ | jetscreamer cant find that one :s |
| 14:17.40 | valdyn_ | gsling2003: you should only need "smbfs" to mount windows shares |
| 14:18.02 | Mardus | asg, et al: I got XFree86 3.3.6 successfully installed /using twm only, I got the pc to connect to the net at startup and am using the antiquated gaim and Communicator 4.77 programs for the net... |
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| 14:18.58 | asg | Mardus: cool |
| 14:19.20 | gsling2003_ | I can "hehe" also. |
| 14:19.20 | gsling2003_ | hehe |
| 14:19.21 | gsling2003_ | why?Please try? |
| 14:19.23 | daft_ | jetscreamer I use fbi to watch porn |
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| 14:19.56 | asg | gsling2003_: apt-get install smbfs |
| 14:20.18 | pureone | the fbi will never get there hands on my porn though they been trying for ages |
| 14:20.28 | pingouin_ | lol |
| 14:21.17 | Mardus | I did set up the bootup connect almost correctly, but had directed it to eth0 in /etc/networks/interfaces, which was one of the NIC's installed, but it's broken. So later I figured the correct NIC to refer to was eth1. |
| 14:21.32 | asg | !congratulate Mardus |
| 14:21.33 | dpkg | Good show Mardus, you did it! |
| 14:22.05 | pingouin_ | i got a trouble with the last kernel from kernem.org with network card |
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| 14:22.19 | FieldySnuts | @annoy pingouin_ |
| 14:22.21 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:22.22 | pingouin_ | strange, with pci/irq |
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| 14:22.32 | gsling2003_ | but in redhat9.0,I was succeedd |
| 14:22.33 | xk | ;) |
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| 14:23.54 | Mardus | asg: yup, thanks. I like basking in this kind of limelight a bit ^_^ |
| 14:24.34 | asg | Mardus: :) |
| 14:24.34 | Mardus | asg: And I set the keyboard to work correctly in X (it malfunctioned first because of a wrong setting) |
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| 14:24.43 | xk | *_* |
| 14:24.48 | asg | O_o |
| 14:24.59 | pureone | <()>|<()> |
| 14:25.13 | Mardus | pureone: LOL |
| 14:25.44 | pzn | Hi! when I upgraded to debian kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 (previous was 2.4.26), when I start cdparanoia, machine hangs everything. xcdroast works ok. where should I start to find the problem? |
| 14:25.48 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.49 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.49 | xk | (_) |_| |
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| 14:25.51 | js_ | im trying to set up snfs, and i dont want to connect as root overthe ssh connection, so im wondering what kind of permissions i need on the remote machine as my snfs user.. anybody know? |
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| 14:26.12 | gsling2003_ | Thank you ,asg! |
| 14:26.12 | gsling2003_ | I am first connect this english chat. |
| 14:26.28 | valdyn_ | pzn: dont use scsi emulation for you CD drive |
| 14:26.31 | asg | pzn: the ide-scsi hack for 2.4 kernels isn't necessary for 2.6 ones |
| 14:26.36 | asg | gsling2003_: you're welcome |
| 14:26.38 | Mardus | I'll be still using console tools, because they are not such memory hogs, with what 32M of RAM I have @Home. |
| 14:26.57 | asg | Mardus: yeah, my main gateway box only has 48M |
| 14:27.16 | xk | asg: my 486 has 64megs ram ;) |
| 14:27.22 | asg | xk: you rock |
| 14:27.26 | Mardus | xk: Lucky you |
| 14:27.28 | pzn | valdyn_, asg: you mean not loading ide-scsi anymore? will xcdroast work? I have a cd-rw and a cd-r in hdc hdd. |
| 14:27.44 | xk | nearly 10 years old. I have to retire it soon... dsl speed is using 55% of cpu ;) |
| 14:27.46 | asg | pzn: yes, just use dev=ATAPI |
| 14:27.50 | asg | xk: haha |
| 14:28.01 | Mardus | xk: laughter |
| 14:28.04 | asg | xk: my Zaurus has 64megs :) |
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| 14:28.37 | pzn | asg: you mean hdc=ATAPI hdd=ATAPI in kernel boot parameters? should I load any module? |
| 14:28.51 | asg | pzn: no, you don't need any kernel parameters. |
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| 14:29.05 | pzn | asg: so where to put dev=ATAPI? |
| 14:29.09 | asg | pzn: I've never used cdparanoia but cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus should give you the right device to use |
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| 14:29.40 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 14:29.44 | asg | spoopin: morning |
| 14:29.46 | Bonedigger | hi there, can you tell me a utility to convert from dos CR LF to unix, and back. thank you |
| 14:29.48 | valdyn_ | pzn: "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdx" should work now |
| 14:29.52 | spoopin | asg: beer? |
| 14:29.54 | dut | Why need any hotplug, discover, udev. If i anyway i must do all by hand? |
| 14:29.55 | asg | Bonedigger: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
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| 14:30.01 | asg | spoopin: does a bear shit in the woods? |
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| 14:30.13 | spoopin | asg: ummmmm I guess? |
| 14:30.13 | dmp_ | dut: do what by hand? |
| 14:30.21 | asg | spoopin: of course, beer at the usual time? :) |
| 14:30.27 | saerdna | how do i install a .deb manually? dpkg --install or something? |
| 14:30.28 | spoopin | asg: 12:30 ? |
| 14:30.31 | asg | spoopin: sounds good |
| 14:30.35 | Mardus | I wonder if Konqueror 1 (if I can get it somehow in the future for woody) is modern enough to show Yahoo!Mail with its new interface... In Communicator, I had to disable Java and style sheets to make NS load pages faster. |
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| 14:30.41 | spoopin | asg: cool - see you there |
| 14:30.46 | asg | spoopin: :) |
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| 14:31.00 | pzn | asg: cdparanoia is an audio extraction utility. you mean to use it with "-d /dev/hdX"? |
| 14:31.11 | asg | pzn: hmmm, that I don't know. |
| 14:31.14 | pzn | valdyn_, ok. I'll try xcdroast with /dev/hdX |
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| 14:31.17 | ]Neo[_ | Hello, someone have a page about kde, xserver install? i have installed kde and xserver. but it won`t start. Did anybody have a tutorial ? |
| 14:31.45 | Mardus | I'll leave y'all for later -- until I need advice again ;) And loads of thanks, too. |
| 14:31.47 | valdyn_ | pzn: you need to remove you scsi emulation first, i suppose thats in /etc/modules |
| 14:31.48 | dut | dmp_: for example, machine have udev, hotplug, discover and 2.6 kernel. I type: mount /cdrom -> mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist. After that i type modprobe ide-cd and all start mounting normal |
| 14:32.11 | pzn | valdyn_, asg: ok, already edited grub to do not hdd=ide-scsi anymore. /etc/modules already edited. will reboot now. thanks! |
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| 14:32.44 | jesperj | can someone recomment a good lightweight filemanager for X? |
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| 14:32.51 | jesperj | recommend |
| 14:32.54 | valdyn_ | !for x |
| 14:32.55 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 14:33.13 | jesperj | valdyn_, despite that, which is a matter of taste |
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| 14:33.39 | dut | dmp_: so, why someone create udev, hotplug, etc. If i must use modprobe anyway :-)) |
| 14:33.49 | valdyn_ | dut: whats your problem? |
| 14:34.28 | dut | valdyn_: i want to know, why need udev, discover, hotplug... if anyway, i must loading modules by hand |
| 14:34.29 | xoz | dut: because autodetection is not perfect |
| 14:34.39 | valdyn_ | dut: why must you? |
| 14:34.46 | dmp_ | I dont have that problem |
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| 14:34.51 | dut | valdyn_: for example, machine have udev, hotplug, discover and 2.6 kernel. I type: mount /cdrom -> mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist. After that i type modprobe ide-cd and all start mounting normal |
| 14:35.03 | dmp_ | dut: add it to modules.conf |
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| 14:35.31 | valdyn_ | dut: that entry is in sarge's /etc/modules by default |
| 14:35.36 | dut | dmp_: so :-)) why need udev and hotplug and discover, if i must do it by hand? :-)) |
| 14:35.48 | dmp_ | so the device appears when you plug it in. |
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| 14:35.53 | dut | valdyn_: i'm dist-upgraded from woody |
| 14:35.56 | valdyn_ | dut: so you issue is fixed I think |
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| 14:35.56 | dmp_ | for things that are hotpluggable |
| 14:35.58 | dmp_ | an ide cd isnt |
| 14:36.03 | dmp_ | a usb memory stick is, for exmaple. |
| 14:36.04 | dmp_ | *ample |
| 14:36.05 | valdyn_ | dut: thats an upgrading problem then.. |
| 14:36.06 | Schnitz | anyone knows if there is a mirror for quozl.netrek.org ? |
| 14:36.14 | Schnitz | because i need their pptpconfig .deb's |
| 14:36.44 | valdyn_ | dut: upgrading is somewhat problematic, especially if it includes kernels - feel free to report a bug ) |
| 14:36.45 | dut | valdyn_: okay... anyway i add ide-cd to /etc/modules. just want to know... |
| 14:36.55 | valdyn_ | dut: yea, thats all |
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| 14:37.32 | dut | valdyn_: and with hotplug my debian start loading very long time... :-((( |
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| 14:37.41 | dut | sorry for my english... |
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| 14:38.33 | dut | valdyn_: i mean, loading time is very big now.(with hotplug) |
| 14:38.40 | xoz | dut: if you know what modules to load, place it in /etc/modules. autodetection is not yet perfect. |
| 14:38.50 | dut | xoz: okay. Thanks |
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| 14:39.08 | valdyn_ | dut: no idea, _why_ its slow, it was once for me, it hasnt been slow for a long time now ( for me ) |
| 14:39.29 | dut | valdyn_: okay. Thanks anyway! |
| 14:39.50 | xoz | dut: and disable hotplug. possible that it's waiting for hardware timeout during probing. depends on hardware... case to case basis. |
| 14:40.03 | dut | xoz: i have old hardware |
| 14:40.28 | xoz | dut: your old hardware is maybe rusty ;) |
| 14:40.42 | valdyn_ | xoz: you can try apt-get remove hotplug - see what it wants to remove |
| 14:40.42 | dut | xoz: p3-500/224 mb sdram pc100/4mb video/1 usb device: mouse |
| 14:41.21 | xoz | try disable /etc/initrd/hotplug if it causes too much trouble |
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| 14:43.07 | dut | but debian rules, anyway :-P |
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| 14:44.24 | IcE-bOy | hi! |
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| 14:44.29 | IcE-bOy | anybody has apache2 problems in SID ? |
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| 14:45.30 | asg | IcE-bOy: the bts would know |
| 14:45.39 | IcE-bOy | bts ? |
| 14:45.45 | asg | !btssmite IcE-bOy |
| 14:45.49 | xk | hah |
| 14:45.56 | xk | !smite |
| 14:45.56 | dpkg | All good deities can Smite(tm) |
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| 14:46.07 | dpblnt | sed: can't read /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h: No such file or directory, in make lirc-modules-source for 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 14:46.25 | dpblnt | is lirc-modules-source prepared for 2.6? |
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| 14:49.09 | dpblnt | has anyone managed to make lirc-modules-source on 2.6? |
| 14:49.32 | xk | dpblnt: are you using stock kernel? |
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| 14:50.10 | dpblnt | xk, debian 2.6.8-1-686 |
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| 14:50.31 | xk | dpblnt: ok. cd /usr/src/linux/; cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config; make oldconfig |
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| 14:50.42 | xk | dpblnt: once that is done, try compiling lirc* again |
| 14:50.49 | dpblnt | xk, did that |
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| 14:51.23 | xk | ls -la /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 14:51.47 | tarzeau | hm |
| 14:52.23 | dpblnt | xk -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 55379 2004-11-25 06:32 /boot/config-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 14:52.24 | dpblnt | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 55421 2005-03-20 16:53 /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 14:52.26 | bhl | hi. I can use irc, msn, ftp etc, but I cannot open any site. could anyone help me? |
| 14:52.28 | pucko- | Hello. I have a usb-to-printer (standard parallell) cable, but I don't know how to configure it in linux. The usb-device shows up as GLUSB98PT when I do 'lsusb', but how do I know which device it uses? |
| 14:52.47 | tarzeau | bhl: site being what? |
| 14:52.52 | xk | dpblnt: hrm.. I'm not sure when version.h is produced... try make bzImage... and then ^C it. |
| 14:53.17 | bhl | tarzeau, port 80.. browser or download some file on the web |
| 14:53.17 | tarzeau | bhl: a webpage ? using what browser? with or without proxy? from which country? which url? with firewall? |
| 14:53.36 | tarzeau | bhl: a sniffer on port 80 might tell you what's wrong |
| 14:54.01 | dpblnt | that error was making it the debian way from the lirc modules source directory |
| 14:54.20 | dpblnt | xk now from kernel dir with make-kpkg --revision 1 modules_image gives another error: |
| 14:54.20 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: that is not the debian way then |
| 14:54.43 | dpblnt | xk, make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux/Rules.make'. Stop. |
| 14:54.54 | xk | dpblnt: looks like a borked kernel source. |
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| 14:55.02 | bhl | tarzeau, I am from brazil, and trying to open www.google.com without success (I did a test in my proxy) |
| 14:55.06 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i lirc |
| 14:55.08 | xk | dpblnt: actually... that was from lirc? |
| 14:55.14 | xk | dpblnt: if so... then it requires 2.4.x kernel. |
| 14:55.18 | xk | so you need to find lirc for 2.6.x kernel |
| 14:55.27 | tarzeau | bhl: you have a proxy? which is it? what test did you do? |
| 14:55.42 | dpblnt | xk, that's what i'm affraid of |
| 14:55.44 | tarzeau | bhl: can you try some other address, say http://livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 14:55.51 | bhl | ok |
| 14:55.59 | tarzeau | bhl: sometimes, webserver break, or are not reachable .. |
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| 14:57.05 | bhl | tarzeau, I use squid. but now this webpage has opened |
| 14:57.32 | bhl | stranger... :( |
| 14:57.39 | dpblnt | valdyn_, that gives the same error. :( |
| 14:57.45 | tarzeau | bhl: so you can some site |
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| 14:58.33 | bhl | tarzeau, Squid was telling "(104) Connection reset by peer" when I type www.google.com on Firefox |
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| 14:58.47 | raptor_away | anyone has ever used cpanel ??? |
| 14:58.56 | tarzeau | raptor_away: no |
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| 14:59.15 | dpblnt | xk, if it requires 2.4, than noone runs 2.6 on it's TV machine? |
| 14:59.25 | bhl | tarzeau, so, now it is working ok.. thank you ;) |
| 14:59.40 | tarzeau | bhl: you're welcome, maybe it just needed some time? |
| 14:59.52 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: then your kernel-source isnt configured properly, just dont use them, Use a debian kernel-headers package. Those are readily configured ( apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ) |
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| 15:00.43 | dpblnt | valdyn_, i have kernel headers for my kernel, wich had the same error, so i thaough maybe it needs the full kernel there |
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| 15:01.10 | bhl | thanks |
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| 15:02.09 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: thats not really possible ,you must have used wrong headers or wrong kernel-image |
| 15:02.13 | dpblnt | valdyn_, Makefile:359: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686/Rules.make: No such file or directory |
| 15:02.21 | dvs | dpblnt: From the description of lirc-modules-source: Please note that the kernel sources must be installed to compile these |
| 15:02.21 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.14 | valdyn_ | dvs: oh! |
| 15:03.40 | dpblnt | dvs, i have kernel source kernel-headers-2.6.8-1,kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686,kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 15:03.46 | httpdss | which is the chipset for the intellinet Wireless LAN PCI Card (11Mbps)?? |
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| 15:04.05 | dvs | dpblnt: It specifically says "kernel sources" |
| 15:04.31 | xk | dvs: it looks like lirc-modules-source wants 2.4.x kernel (Rules.make doesn't exist for 2.6.x) |
| 15:04.52 | dpblnt | dvs, how should i understand that? |
| 15:05.21 | Shorty` | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 15:05.22 | Shorty` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.22 | Shorty` | wtf? |
| 15:05.26 | Shorty` | for mysql-server? |
| 15:05.28 | Shorty` | fuck me. |
| 15:05.35 | xk | !fuck shorty |
| 15:05.37 | dvs | dpblnt: I would interpret that as kernel-sources-2.6.8-1 but I think xk is right |
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| 15:06.14 | dpblnt | valdyn_, believe me, i have the right kernel running, with it's exact source, both latest |
| 15:06.54 | dpblnt | dvs, i believe he may be right, but what do people do with their tvtuners on 2.6? |
| 15:07.05 | xk | well, there's redhat packages for 2.6.x |
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| 15:07.13 | xk | only way is to get the source and not do it hte debian way |
| 15:07.19 | xk | or copy the debian dir into the 2.6.x lirc source |
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| 15:08.13 | scorn | Is there a document describing the modules that need to be loaded for ide devices to function under 2.6? my Sarge install keeps trying to load 'ide-detect' which as I understand it, is not in use for 2.6 kernels. What do I need to be doing instead? Also, does anyone know if DMA is supported on the Sis964 southbridge? |
| 15:08.16 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: irritate Shorty |
| 15:08.16 | torpet | just use the original sources and debianize them |
| 15:08.17 | dpblnt | dvs, what do you mean kernel-sources-...? i have kernel-source-... named package only |
| 15:08.29 | ravenbird | dpkg: irritate Shorty |
| 15:08.30 | dpkg | Shorty: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh grafixx windows lol |
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| 15:09.16 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:09.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 15:10.33 | mwilson | dpblnt: Why bother with lirc? |
| 15:11.17 | dpblnt | mwilson, remote control? is there another way? |
| 15:11.43 | xk | I have an analog and digital tv card in my machine |
| 15:11.54 | xam | mwilson: I think that's just you. I like to have a working remote for my TV card |
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| 15:12.35 | mwilson | xam: I never could see the point. You're sitting in front of the bloody computer, after all. |
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| 15:12.55 | dpblnt | xam, do you run it on 2.6? |
| 15:13.20 | xam | mwilson: not really. My (old, silent) PC is in the corner and mostly acting as a TV and stereo |
| 15:13.35 | dpblnt | xk, i tried making bzimage, and make the lirc modules after that, but same error :( |
| 15:13.52 | mwilson | dpblnt: You *do* realize that you're hung up on the wrong question, after all... you keep whining about people running their cards under 2.6, like it's some kind of difficult thing. A 2.6 kernel supports V4L the same as a 2.4 kernel does. |
| 15:14.03 | purestorm | Hi. I have Kernel Version 2.4.27 and the radeon driver seems to crash regularly and throws me out of X Windows. How can I make the system load the standard VESA driver instead of the seemingly buggy Radeon one? |
| 15:14.21 | mwilson | dpblnt: Running the card isn't the issue. Compiling lirc is the issue, which is not dependent on "running the card". |
| 15:14.22 | xam | dpblnt: yes. It used to work with 2.6.3 or so, but I couldn't get lirc (debian and CVS versions) working with 2.6.10 (when it was released) |
| 15:14.25 | asg | !drxx purestorm |
| 15:14.26 | dpkg | purestorm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 15:14.36 | faber2 | is anyone using python-mysqldb? |
| 15:14.51 | mwilson | xam: I took mine out and put it on the shelf when I realized how silly a PVR was. |
| 15:15.10 | gunstar2 | hi, my external harddisk is only workink via firewire but not usb, what can I do? |
| 15:15.24 | WiFiTux | purestorm, use the ATI on the command that asg gave you. It could be that something else is borken if it's a 9*00 cards... |
| 15:15.27 | xk | gnust: firewire is preferred over usb. |
| 15:15.32 | xk | gunstar2 rather |
| 15:15.35 | WiFiTux | pureone, vesa sorry |
| 15:15.40 | dpblnt | mwilson, i have bttv and tvtime running fine, i just want remote working, and i'm in the make stage of it. |
| 15:15.53 | pureone | cough purestorm cough |
| 15:15.58 | mwilson | xam: I couldn't see any reason to use a computer to record the occasional decent program in a storm of garbage, when a VCR did the same job for much less aggravation. |
| 15:16.08 | gunstar2 | usb 2.0 is faster than firewire, so I would preferr usb |
| 15:16.19 | mwilson | USB2 is not faster than firewire. |
| 15:16.27 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: debians lirc-modules do not compile against 2.6.8-2-k7 nor my 2.6.11 |
| 15:16.27 | mwilson | The *spec* is faster than firewire. |
| 15:16.27 | WiFiTux | mwilson, it is. |
| 15:16.31 | xam | mwilson: you misunderstood me. I don't use it as a PVR, just merely as a TV |
| 15:16.33 | dpblnt | xam, have you tried sourceforge lirc than? |
| 15:16.34 | purestorm | WiFiTux, ags: Thanks. I searched a bit on the net, but sometimes the most simple things are the best solutions ;) |
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| 15:16.44 | purestorm | pureone: 8[ |
| 15:16.52 | mwilson | In real-world, firewire is faster, and more versatile as well. |
| 15:16.54 | pureone | hehe |
| 15:16.58 | gunstar2 | firewire: 400 Mbit/s, usb 2.0: 480 Mbit/s |
| 15:16.59 | dpblnt | valdyn_, so what lirc modules source should i use? |
| 15:17.14 | xam | dpblnt: yes, as I said, I tried CVS from s-f aswell back then (couple of month back). Did compile, but not work |
| 15:17.14 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: no idea |
| 15:17.20 | mwilson | gunstar2: Yes, thank you, I do know how to read specifications. I also know how to measure. |
| 15:17.27 | purestorm | WiFiTux: It's a 9200 one. I tried to upgrade to 2.6.11 but then X did not crash randomly but regularly. Do you know a fix or a pointer to somewhere I could find a fix? |
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| 15:17.31 | WiFiTux | mwilson, maybe you have used a USB 2.0 system with a 1.1 de vice? |
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| 15:17.33 | gunstar2 | sorry! :) |
| 15:17.38 | xk | lol |
| 15:17.40 | mwilson | WiFiTux: And more likely, I did not. |
| 15:17.53 | gunstar2 | anyway, how can I get usb working? |
| 15:17.54 | valdyn_ | dpblnt: i know nothing about IR on linux, 2.6 has some IR stuff - no idea what its good for, look at it maybe |
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| 15:18.30 | mwilson | gunstar2: With the total lack of detail you've provided, all that can be said is "configure it correctly." |
| 15:18.30 | WiFiTux | purestorm, well, vesa or the radeon driver from ati. |
| 15:18.41 | WiFiTux | pureone, I just noticed why you coughed |
| 15:18.42 | dpblnt | so you all have tried lirc working on 2.6, and gave up. that's what i did 2 months ago also :( |
| 15:18.59 | jetscreamer | something about lirc module for ir, got it loaded? |
| 15:19.02 | pureone | hehe |
| 15:19.18 | mwilson | dpblnt: I never said I gave up. It's not like it's hard to build. I just don't see the point to it. |
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| 15:19.22 | purestorm | WiFiTux: Hm, OK. Thanks |
| 15:19.28 | gunstar2 | ok,win general usb is working, when I plug in my harddisk an d lokk at /var/log/messages, Iget: |
| 15:19.32 | WiFiTux | Is there an extra Operating system that will run over Linux? (not talking about vmware) |
| 15:19.32 | hackeron | can someone point me to that site that lists information like how old a deb is and what the latest upstream version is? |
| 15:19.36 | xam | valdyn_: the problem is that the combination of lirc and 2.6 is kind of unstable. It often doesn't work. It used to 'though |
| 15:19.39 | dpblnt | valdyn_, i just made a find /lib/modules |grep lirc, and realised that i have to compile |
| 15:19.39 | pureone | ksirc detects when your name is said i thought people wanted to talk to me for a second :( |
| 15:20.00 | valdyn_ | xam: how is the IRDA in 2.6 related to lirc? |
| 15:20.04 | WiFiTux | hackeron, why do you care about that? |
| 15:20.21 | gunstar2 | new high speed usb device using address 3 and; then: control timeout on ep0out |
| 15:20.23 | xam | valdyn_: it isn't. I never claimed that ;) |
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| 15:20.41 | hackeron | anyone? |
| 15:20.41 | valdyn_ | xam: yea, i know, just wondering myself |
| 15:22.25 | dpblnt | mwilson, you don't see the point of using the remote control of your tv? |
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| 15:23.23 | jetscreamer | dpblnt, you like messing with cobras eh |
| 15:23.39 | jetscreamer | "lets tease the bears!" |
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| 15:23.54 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 15:24.24 | gunstar2 | so what does: control timeout on ep0out mean? |
| 15:24.25 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, I would rather have used jetcreamer. |
| 15:24.37 | dpblnt | jetscreamer, no, i just like to understand things, and that prevoius one was not cler for me. |
| 15:24.39 | jetscreamer | i like my coffee black? |
| 15:24.48 | mwilson | dpblnt: I occasionally use a remote to turn it on or off, but other than that, no, not really. I generally turn the set on, watch whatever program I was going to watch, then turn it off again. |
| 15:25.01 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, where is the coffee from? |
| 15:25.11 | jetscreamer | kraft (maxwell house) |
| 15:25.21 | jetscreamer | typing of... |
| 15:25.35 | WiFiTux | mwilson, you might use the volume and the channel change as well. |
| 15:25.36 | mwilson | dpblnt: It's not like there's much on TV worth bothering with. |
| 15:25.46 | hackeron | WiFiTux: ah, here it is: http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:25.51 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, European? |
| 15:26.07 | WiFiTux | hackeron, that's so you can rollback to previous versions. |
| 15:26.17 | jetscreamer | nah, master blend |
| 15:26.20 | hackeron | WiFiTux: huh? |
| 15:26.23 | mwilson | WiFiTux: The TV goes into the stereo in the living room... I don't think I've changed the volume in months. |
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| 15:26.44 | WiFiTux | hackeron, if something cracks in you apt-get upgrade, you can download the previous package from there. |
| 15:26.54 | hackeron | WiFiTux: not what its for though... |
| 15:26.58 | dpblnt | mwilson, agreed, but this one is for my family |
| 15:27.07 | jetscreamer | kraft is like a subset of general foods or something |
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| 15:27.15 | jetscreamer | or a competitor |
| 15:27.23 | mwilson | dpblnt: Your family needs a computer in order to watch television? |
| 15:27.29 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, buy Costarrican coffee |
| 15:27.35 | azreal | dpblnt: lirc wont work with 2.6x, ive tried. |
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| 15:27.55 | hackeron | WiFiTux: also, where? -- I dont see ability to download there |
| 15:28.13 | jetscreamer | http://www.kraft.com/default.aspx |
| 15:28.34 | WiFiTux | hackeron, ok, actually that is what you use to check the dates of a package then you can look for it. :) yu rait |
| 15:28.43 | mohohaha | anyone suggest a easy to use webpage writer...with css and table, WYSWYG.. |
| 15:28.44 | dpblnt | mwilson, yes, it has higher quality than tv |
| 15:28.44 | azreal | dpblnt: if you jump through all of the hoops and use module-assistant, it produces the same results as doing it manually, and even if you try fudgeing around with "so-called" cvs versions of it, it still wont work. |
| 15:29.00 | dpblnt | azreal, and what did you do after that? |
| 15:29.01 | hackeron | WiFiTux: nah, its used to check when a package gets out of date, so maintainer can version bump it :) |
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| 15:29.14 | mp3j2 | hello |
| 15:29.19 | mwilson | dpblnt: Not particularly... and even so, higher-quality garbage is still garbage. |
| 15:29.26 | jetscreamer | screem, bluefish, amaya, but none are what i'd call easy |
| 15:29.27 | mp3j2 | what is the file i have to edit in order to start swat? |
| 15:29.27 | azreal | dpblnt: put my remote control on the shelf and gave up useing it for now. |
| 15:29.30 | WiFiTux | Oh shit! Kraft Foods to Stop Production of Trolli Gummi |
| 15:29.43 | jetscreamer | omg! |
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| 15:29.48 | dpblnt | mwilson, it's not your job to decide that |
| 15:29.56 | azreal | dpblnt: i refuse to downgrade kernels, just so i can use my tv remote. |
| 15:30.10 | hackeron | WiFiTux: its also used to have a look at unsolved bugs, also for maintainer use only. For the record there's no date there so I dont know what exactly you're talking about |
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| 15:30.18 | dpblnt | azreal, i did that too, and i tried today(after months) hoping it changed :( |
| 15:30.32 | mwilson | dpblnt: Of course it is. I'm the intended consumer. It is *entirely* my job to decide whether or not it's garbage. And I do. Hence the small amount of TV I actually watch. |
| 15:30.39 | mp3j2 | what is the file i have to edit in order to start swat? |
| 15:30.47 | jetscreamer | man swat? |
| 15:30.55 | mwilson | dpblnt: If we have different definitions of "garbage", well... |
| 15:31.00 | azreal | dpblnt: same here, i have been messing with it for a long time too. |
| 15:31.14 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, Maxwell house, french coffee. eerr |
| 15:31.16 | WiFiTux | eewww |
| 15:31.25 | jetscreamer | no, only master blend for me |
| 15:31.31 | dpblnt | mwilson, :), thanx for your attempt of helping anyways |
| 15:31.32 | jetscreamer | not the french roast |
| 15:31.41 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 15:32.15 | dpblnt | azreal, what is the problem, lirc isn't maintained? |
| 15:32.29 | mwilson | dpblnt: The quality argument is entirely irrelevant in any case, if your output device is a TV. |
| 15:32.59 | azreal | dpblnt: i was thinking of fileing a bug report, and stirring up some feedback on one of the lirc mailing lists. you should do the same. |
| 15:33.03 | hackeron | WiFiTux: check this out: http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_updated.html -- just goes to show how good a job maintainers are doing ;) -- too bad that http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_watch.html is even longer! |
| 15:33.16 | hackeron | !il |
| 15:33.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, il is Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 15:33.24 | xk | lol |
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| 15:33.38 | dpblnt | mwilson, agreed, my output is a monitor |
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| 15:34.01 | azreal | dpblnt: i would call it a baug, but im really not sure. as far as i can tell, i have done nothing wrong, and followed all of the directions, read docs til im blue in the face about it. so... |
| 15:34.06 | mwilson | dpblnt: So you're punishing your family by making a group watch... what? A 19" monitor? |
| 15:34.09 | azreal | baug, bug |
| 15:34.25 | baikonur | how can I automatically execute a program when x is started via startx? |
| 15:34.32 | dpblnt | azreal, yes, i was on reporting too. |
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| 15:34.36 | mwilson | baikonur: ~/.xinitrc |
| 15:34.39 | xk | baikonur: ~/.xinitrc I think |
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| 15:34.53 | dpblnt | mwilson, 21" |
| 15:34.58 | mtnman | baikonur: .xinitrc or, .xsession. |
| 15:35.03 | gunstar2 | what does: "control timeout on ep0out" mean? |
| 15:35.07 | mwilson | dpblnt: Same problem. |
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| 15:35.30 | xk | gunstar2: why can't you use firewire since it works... flawlessly? |
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| 15:35.55 | mwilson | xk: Because he's hung up on the 80 mb performance difference, that he can't get anyway. |
| 15:36.04 | dpblnt | mwilson, what is your problem with watching tv on a computer? |
| 15:36.15 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, can't find it, anyway, is not Costarrican :) |
| 15:36.19 | mwilson | xk: If he has a HD in the external case that can provide data to the bus that fast, I'll eat it. |
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| 15:36.24 | Playy | http://www.playzero.com |
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| 15:36.25 | xk | ;) |
| 15:36.29 | gunstar2 | because I don't like unsolved problems! |
| 15:36.36 | baikonur | thanks |
| 15:36.38 | xk | usb2 is worthless; firewire is the way to go. |
| 15:36.50 | xam | xk: bah. SCSI rules |
| 15:36.57 | mwilson | dpblnt: I don't see the point to it. |
| 15:36.58 | xk | xam: if you have the money ;) |
| 15:37.09 | xam | xk: agreed ;) |
| 15:37.09 | MobyTurbo | xam: don't say "bah" to xk |
| 15:37.14 | dpblnt | azreal, what would this mean than (from reportbug): Important bugs - resolved |
| 15:37.14 | dpblnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.27 | xam | MobyTurbo: why? because he has the 'power'? |
| 15:37.31 | MobyTurbo | ;-) |
| 15:37.39 | xk | what? I'm not going to do anything ;) |
| 15:37.41 | MobyTurbo | xam: it's a joke. :-) |
| 15:37.43 | xam | MobyTurbo: bah |
| 15:37.44 | xam | ;) |
| 15:37.50 | caphuso | and you got an "autoload mpc" or something comparable? |
| 15:37.52 | dpblnt | mwilson, should we talk about working software or personal habits? |
| 15:37.54 | MobyTurbo | xk: except turn into a sheep_ |
| 15:37.56 | caphuso | grr |
| 15:37.58 | xk | ;) |
| 15:38.04 | mwilson | dpblnt: If you really need a PVR for some reason, I suppose it has uses, but other than that, what's the point? The quality is no better, it's more inconvenient, and it's much less comfortable. |
| 15:38.08 | caphuso | err, obviously "autoload _mpc" |
| 15:38.10 | xk | MobyTurbo: that was because bob2 said bah heaps of times :) |
| 15:38.27 | MobyTurbo | xk: bah |
| 15:38.38 | xk | !bah |
| 15:38.39 | dpkg | from memory, bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 15:39.10 | xam | didn't dpkg had a bah-counter? |
| 15:39.23 | xk | yeah. I think it's been disabled (well, it doesn't count any more) |
| 15:39.25 | calin | bah |
| 15:39.27 | xk | !bahstats |
| 15:39.30 | calin | !bah |
| 15:39.30 | dpkg | bah is, like, everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 15:39.35 | xk | ~bahstats |
| 15:39.36 | apt | total count of bah on #debian: 1206 |
| 15:39.39 | xk | ~bahstats xk |
| 15:39.39 | apt | xk has said bah 1 times (0.1 %) |
| 15:39.43 | WiFiTux | !heh |
| 15:39.43 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 15:39.43 | xk | bah |
| 15:39.50 | dpblnt | mwilson, it is more confortable, when i can play music on it, watch divx on it, mpg and any media, ant tv too, so i don't have tv, and if i had it'd be connected to a tvout. |
| 15:39.51 | xk | ~bahstats xk |
| 15:39.51 | apt | xk has said bah 2 times (0.2 %) |
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| 15:39.52 | kopke | No one could help me? My udev script only create inictrl and null node, so no console nor tty[1-9] |
| 15:39.59 | azreal | dpblnt: doubt it, it isnt resolved. |
| 15:39.59 | xk | apt's one still works :) |
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| 15:40.44 | mwilson | dpblnt: I have a perfectly good stereo to play music on, I'm not a thief so divx and mpg aren't an issue, and if you're connecting it to a TV, well, why not just use the TV? |
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| 15:41.05 | azreal | dpblnt: according to lsmod, my lirc_dev module is loaded, but progams that access devices in /dev refuse to work. |
| 15:41.23 | dpblnt | azreal, no, it was some other bug |
| 15:41.35 | baikonur | does .xession need to be +x? |
| 15:41.40 | mwilson | baikonur: No. |
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| 15:41.53 | dpblnt | azreal, i had that too with the sourceforge version. |
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| 15:42.42 | gunstar2 | ok, so I will use firewire when it is not possible to get usb working |
| 15:42.55 | strk | any vsound user can help me find out why mplayer doesn't work while realplay do ? |
| 15:43.01 | IcE-bOy | where is the website where i can get any debian packages version? I need to downgrade apache2 |
| 15:43.41 | wfq | somebody has used deboostrap? |
| 15:44.01 | mwilson | wfq: No, no one ever has. |
| 15:44.10 | gunstar2 | what packages do I need for writing on ntfs? |
| 15:44.23 | mwilson | gunstar2: None. You don't write on NTFS. |
| 15:44.49 | xk | heh |
| 15:44.56 | gunstar2 | very helpfull today! :) |
| 15:45.06 | Henning | Well, he has a good point. |
| 15:45.25 | Henning | You could look into captive-ntfs, but that is propertiary and requires windows drivers. |
| 15:45.28 | dpblnt | mwilson, i just wanted to talk about not working debian packed software, no matter if it's tv related or not. |
| 15:45.30 | MobyTurbo | gunstar2: what would be even more helpful is Microsoft publishing their file system specs. |
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| 15:45.51 | mwilson | gunstar2: Sorry you have a problem with the truth. |
| 15:45.56 | Henning | There is also limited experimental write support available, but last I checked it's useless for most people. |
| 15:46.09 | ix | don't write to ntfs! |
| 15:46.10 | MobyTurbo | dpblnt: I use tvtime with a PCI tuner, if that's what you're talking about |
| 15:46.12 | mwilson | Isn't captive-ntfs dead, in any case? |
| 15:46.17 | scarynetworkguy | gunstar2: You don't because you can't. No drivers. |
| 15:46.22 | Henning | It is? |
| 15:46.41 | mwilson | I'd heard that, is all. It's not like I pay any attention to it. |
| 15:46.57 | baikonur | why do I need "exec wmaker" in .xsession to let wmaker start if .xsession exists? what configuration is used if .xsession does not exist? |
| 15:46.59 | MobyTurbo | dpblnt: if you get tvtime get libdscaler too. It makes the picture better. |
| 15:47.03 | mwilson | My one Windows machine is a dual-boot with oBSD, so it's not like I need it for anything. |
| 15:47.08 | Henning | Me neither, I've noticed that it's often around on my rescue disc though (I use sysresccd) |
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| 15:47.12 | asuffield | captive-ntfs uses lufs, which is dead |
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| 15:47.19 | dpblnt | MobyTurbo, yes, i use that too, do you have lirc running on 2.6? |
| 15:47.36 | gunstar2 | ok, so what can I do to share data >4GB with windows machines? |
| 15:47.39 | mwilson | baikonur: The failsafe. |
| 15:47.41 | MobyTurbo | dpblnt: my tv card doesn't offer a remote control. |
| 15:47.44 | xk | gungnir: a box running samba? |
| 15:47.48 | xk | gunstar blah |
| 15:47.54 | xk | I love bitchx nick competion |
| 15:47.59 | scarynetworkguy | gunstar2: Samba. |
| 15:48.24 | MobyTurbo | xk: irssi-text > bitchx |
| 15:48.25 | baikonur | mwilson: what is failsafe? |
| 15:48.27 | dpblnt | MobyTurbo, lucky you :) |
| 15:48.48 | mwilson | baikonur: Look it up. I'm not a dictionary. |
| 15:49.01 | MobyTurbo | dpblnt: I don't really need a remote control, I don't have cable so keyboard surfing is good enough. |
| 15:49.36 | gunstar2 | samba is ok, but theres no way to connect the machines via a network!!!!! |
| 15:49.44 | MobyTurbo | dpblnt: the good thing about it is that it's PCI, I've heard people who have USB tv tuners who have lots of headaches. |
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| 15:49.56 | phanter | hello. I am trying to add a programm to the Applications-menu. The .desktop file seems good, but when i type: Categories=Applications;Office; my icon shows up and everything works, but if I type: Categories=Applications;Accessories; then it does not work. Why??? |
| 15:49.58 | lenux | can someone help with dual boot i got libranet and trying to install xp on it will not read cd at boot up but it will in wine please dont bash because id like xp on computer i have partion half drive to be free windows . can someone help |
| 15:49.59 | baikonur | mwilson: failsafe is an adjective, isn't it? so what means "the failsafe"? |
| 15:50.08 | Henning | gunstar2: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ in case you are interested. |
| 15:50.17 | mwilson | baikonur: Failsafe is a noun. |
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| 15:50.32 | Henning | gunstar2: I don't think you'll find much help setting it up etc. here though. People prefer truly free software :) |
| 15:50.48 | scarynetworkguy | gunstar2: If they are not on a netowrk how were you planning on writing to the windows machines? |
| 15:50.50 | mwilson | Henning: No, people prefer software that works. |
| 15:50.58 | MobyTurbo | !tell lenux about debian based |
| 15:51.12 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I think he thinks he's transporting around this external HD he's been whining about. |
| 15:51.19 | Henning | I was reffering to Debian philosophy, not people in general :) |
| 15:51.44 | gunstar2 | with external harddisks! |
| 15:51.45 | mp3j2 | why my chkconfig doesnt work? |
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| 15:52.10 | baikonur | mwilson: according to "Longman - Dictionary of Contemporary English" there is only an adjective |
| 15:52.14 | mp3j2 | i check the man pages for swat but still can get the samba page to open |
| 15:52.30 | Henning | mp3j2: chkconfig? In Debian? |
| 15:52.33 | mp3j2 | yes |
| 15:52.52 | Henning | Are you certain you aren't running some version of redhat? |
| 15:52.57 | mp3j2 | i was readinga red hat page from google i guess theres not chkconfig in debian |
| 15:52.57 | scarynetworkguy | In that case the obvious solution would be to make the external HD Fat32 or something along those lines. |
| 15:53.04 | scarynetworkguy | But of course that would be far too easy. |
| 15:53.10 | Henning | mp3j2: Right :) |
| 15:53.11 | mp3j2 | what would be the chkconfig command in debian? |
| 15:53.21 | MobyTurbo | mp3j2: what does it do? |
| 15:53.28 | Henning | Isn't chkconfig a tool for manipulation what runs in what runleves? |
| 15:53.29 | asuffield | chkconfig is the redhat thingy for deleting and recreating symlinks in /etc/rc*.d |
| 15:53.29 | lenux | what is the point in chat if you cant help someone out .instead you got to be asses and send dpkg...where can i got for a answer to get help since no one wants to bother |
| 15:53.45 | jetscreamer | sysvinit |
| 15:53.45 | nvz | mp3j2: update-rc.d |
| 15:53.49 | asuffield | the ultimate in reinventing the shell badly |
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| 15:54.05 | mwilson | lenux: You're not running Debian, you're running Libranet. You paid for Libranet, why aren't you using their tech support? |
| 15:54.17 | lenux | i didnt pay |
| 15:54.22 | mwilson | Ah, so you stole it. |
| 15:54.24 | jetscreamer | lenux, ppl get tired of repeating the same things over & over, hence the bot |
| 15:54.29 | MobyTurbo | lenux: you're asking for Libranet and XP help on a Debian channel. Ask it on #libranet or failing that ##linux or #linuxhelp |
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| 15:54.55 | mwilson | Why in the world would someone be dumb enough to pirate Libranet? |
| 15:54.55 | lenux | i thought id ask in here you guys seem to be more knowlegdeable then others thats all |
| 15:55.02 | phanter | How can I add a program to the Applications->Accessories menu in gnome? |
| 15:55.03 | gunstar2 | FAT32 would be ok, but I think it only can handle data <4GB |
| 15:55.04 | erirlar | how do i stop a download that wget downloads? |
| 15:55.04 | mp3j2 | ok for some reason when i do 127.0.0.1:901 i get the connection was refused when attempting to contact 127.0.0.1:901 |
| 15:55.09 | mp3j2 | any help? |
| 15:55.09 | jetscreamer | ctrl c |
| 15:55.19 | jetscreamer | if we're so smart why don't we run libranet |
| 15:55.24 | mwilson | mp3j2: Tried actually installing SWAT? |
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| 15:55.31 | nvz | lenux: so install debian or go away. |
| 15:55.35 | mp3j2 | i did lemme c again |
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| 15:55.59 | mp3j2 | swat is already the newest version |
| 15:56.00 | lenux | how is dl pirate linux off there site |
| 15:56.01 | mwilson | gunstar2: You have single files greater than 4 gb? |
| 15:56.08 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 15:56.14 | gunstar2 | exactly |
| 15:56.19 | yoo | Hi jetscreamer ! |
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| 15:56.30 | jetscreamer | hey yoo does it work? |
| 15:56.31 | mwilson | gunstar2: Being what? |
| 15:56.35 | mp3j2 | mwilson, swat is already the newest version |
| 15:56.37 | asuffield | which is a real pain in the arse on windows. its support for large files is even worse than the unix platforms |
| 15:56.39 | yoo | :) |
| 15:56.43 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 15:56.49 | yoo | oh i reinstall |
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| 15:56.53 | gunstar2 | backup DVD-Images |
| 15:56.55 | yoo | my debian |
| 15:57.04 | jetscreamer | i've done that a lot too yoo |
| 15:57.12 | mwilson | gunstar2: Ah, you're a pirate. |
| 15:57.19 | yoo | but when i launch 3D X crashes ! |
| 15:57.37 | yoo | i don't understand why this problem |
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| 15:57.40 | gunstar2 | I create Photo-DVDs |
| 15:57.48 | jetscreamer | yoo, start whatever from an xterm, you get more error messages |
| 15:57.50 | strk | any hint on a light-waigher .wav file editor (cutter mostly) |
| 15:57.53 | yoo | i want to change my xfree86 version |
| 15:58.05 | mwilson | strk: audacity |
| 15:58.10 | lenux | i didnt know libranet had a room so im sorry but you guys dont have to be dicks all the time.......wtf |
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| 15:58.17 | jetscreamer | yes we do |
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| 15:58.39 | deconvolution | hi, I am compiling an x program with link option -lXm -lXt -X11 and the make said "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXt" which library I am missing? |
| 15:58.41 | abrotman | can i be a dick too? |
| 15:58.43 | yoo | X start normally but crashes within reason |
| 15:58.49 | yoo | few minute later |
| 15:58.59 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: is your name Richard? |
| 15:59.03 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:59.07 | asg | deconvolution: do you have xlibs-dev installed? |
| 15:59.10 | mp3j2 | no help for me? |
| 15:59.12 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: then you can't. ;-) |
| 15:59.24 | deconvolution | asg: yes |
| 15:59.24 | jetscreamer | typing of, why does aol let you have >8char pw on aol software, but when doing pppoe youself, your pw must be =<8chars |
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| 15:59.29 | asg | deconvolution: or libxt-dev? |
| 15:59.35 | xk | deconvolution: ls -la /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so* |
| 15:59.54 | abrotman | typing of? |
| 15:59.56 | xk | why does libxt6 provide libXt.so.6 but libxt-dev provides libXt.so ? |
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| 16:00.06 | asg | abrotman: like speaking of ... but he's typing, not speaking |
| 16:00.13 | MobyTurbo | !nonsense jetscreamer |
| 16:00.14 | dpkg | jetscreamer: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 16:00.14 | azreal | MobyTurbo: Dick, It's not just a name, its a commodity. |
| 16:00.20 | gunstar2 | mwilson: Any solution? |
| 16:00.22 | deconvolution | asg: yes, i have installed |
| 16:00.25 | abrotman | asg: erm .. ok |
| 16:00.33 | asuffield | xk: because that's how library packages work? |
| 16:00.45 | asg | deconvolution: did you 'make distclean' after installing the necessary libs / header? |
| 16:00.51 | MobyTurbo | azreal: thus giving selling short a commodity a new meaning |
| 16:01.06 | baikonur | tuxmobil.org only collects links to installation guides but does anybody know a similar page where I can write such a guide for a laptop or where I can report the linux status of a laptop? |
| 16:01.08 | yoo | How to change version of xfree86 with debian ? |
| 16:01.09 | mwilson | gunstar2: Nah, I don't help pirates. |
| 16:01.19 | yoo | because i install him by apt |
| 16:01.19 | asg | yoo: what do you have, what do you want? |
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| 16:01.34 | yoo | i want to change my xfree86 |
| 16:01.40 | asg | baikonur: just write it and contact tuxmobile.org to have it linked. |
| 16:01.42 | IcE-bOy | where is the website where i can get any debian packages version? I need to downgrade apache2 .. thanks |
| 16:01.45 | mwilson | xk: Because the only -dev is for xt v 7 |
| 16:01.48 | deconvolution | asg: no, i just use apt to install all my lib |
| 16:01.50 | asg | IcE-bOy: /msg dpkg snd |
| 16:02.01 | asg | deconvolution: try that and see if it fixes things |
| 16:02.02 | yoo | because X crashes after a good start within reason |
| 16:02.05 | asg | IcE-bOy: sorr /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 16:02.06 | gunstar2 | mwilson: everyone who is burning DVDs is a pirate?` |
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| 16:02.12 | yoo | i formated my system |
| 16:02.14 | asg | deconvolution: if not, I don't know |
| 16:02.18 | mwilson | gunstar2: No, just you. |
| 16:02.19 | yoo | but it's not OK |
| 16:02.21 | deconvolution | asg: sorry, where sould I use that? |
| 16:02.25 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: ------------[ cut here ]------------ |
| 16:02.25 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:483! |
| 16:02.25 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: invalid operand: 0000 [#1] |
| 16:02.25 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: PREEMPT |
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| 16:02.32 | asg | deconvolution: in the source tree you are compiling |
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| 16:02.46 | yoo | sorry ! |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | yoo: you've been kicked before for flooding ... |
| 16:03.06 | baikonur | asg: and where to put it on the internet if I do not have a website? I was looking for a wiki or something |
| 16:03.06 | asg | abrotman: and for the same damn thing |
| 16:03.12 | yoo | i'm sorry |
| 16:03.16 | erirlar | whats a good tool for merging movies? |
| 16:03.20 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: <6>note: XFree86[5491] exited with preempt_count 1 |
| 16:03.21 | abrotman | yoo: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:03.22 | xk | erirlar: avi or mpeg2? |
| 16:03.23 | jetscreamer | you don't look sory |
| 16:03.30 | yoo | :) |
| 16:03.35 | erirlar | mpg |
| 16:03.37 | yoo | yes my own kernel |
| 16:03.39 | gary | Is there a way to remotely, or even locally use an application to download a file, that is linked by a php file. Similar to wget. You know some files you have to click a link like file.php?id=2000 or something, and it will look it upand then send you it. Is there a way to follow this link and download the end file? |
| 16:03.44 | xk | erirlar: tccat (from transcode) _might_ be able to do it. |
| 16:03.46 | asg | baikonur: oh, that I don't know. |
| 16:03.47 | yoo | i change also 2.6.10 |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | yoo: stop fucking iwth the kernel .. use a debian one |
| 16:03.51 | yoo | 2.4.25 |
| 16:03.52 | yoo | idem |
| 16:03.56 | erirlar | xk: thanks |
| 16:04.08 | mp3j2 | is anyone familiar with swat here? |
| 16:04.12 | asuffield | some part of transcode should be able to do it. also mpgtx can do it sometimes |
| 16:04.15 | mwilson | gary: Uh, you wouldn't just use wget because...? |
| 16:04.17 | abrotman | mp3j2: #samba |
| 16:04.20 | xk | erirlar: I know it works with mpeg2 flawlessly ;) |
| 16:04.21 | jetscreamer | there is no swat |
| 16:04.22 | asg | mp3j2: I'm sure #samba is |
| 16:04.23 | mp3j2 | noone there |
| 16:04.35 | abrotman | bullshit |
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| 16:04.37 | mp3j2 | room is full noone talks |
| 16:04.39 | asg | mp3j2: then read Using Samba 2nd. ed. at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
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| 16:04.43 | xk | erirlar: from tccat man page: " Multiple AVI-files are also supported." |
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| 16:04.45 | gary | mwilson: because wget would download the php file, not the file to download |
| 16:04.46 | mp3j2 | very funny |
| 16:04.49 | gunstar2 | I don't understand why nobody here wants to help! |
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| 16:04.54 | yoo | abrotman : i use debian kernel |
| 16:04.56 | mp3j2 | this is what i loved about this room |
| 16:04.59 | abrotman | mp3j2: that doesn't make this the right place to ask .. just wait for them to wake up |
| 16:05.01 | yoo | with apt-get install |
| 16:05.02 | xk | erirlar: basically move all the files into a dir then "tccat -i dirname/ > finalfilename.avi" |
| 16:05.05 | asg | mp3j2: what's funny about that? It's a full book chock full of information. |
| 16:05.07 | mp3j2 | ok ill wait then |
| 16:05.15 | jetscreamer | yoo, he means don't compile it yourself, use a kernel-image |
| 16:05.16 | yoo | Mar 17 13:06:07 simpson kernel: scheduling while atomic: XFree86/0x00000001/5491 |
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| 16:05.17 | torpet | i have a pretty important question: if i have an ACPI, shall i use it or not? |
| 16:05.19 | mp3j2 | iit must be |
| 16:05.19 | yoo | look that ! |
| 16:05.26 | mp3j2 | but im reading right now |
| 16:05.31 | mp3j2 | running linux |
| 16:05.37 | yoo | also do with you jetscream |
| 16:05.38 | asg | torpet: try it. It will either work or it won't (probably the latter) |
| 16:05.42 | yoo | you remenber |
| 16:05.44 | mp3j2 | debian gnu/linux bible |
| 16:05.49 | mp3j2 | and knoppix hacks |
| 16:05.49 | yoo | it's the same problem |
| 16:05.53 | asg | torpet: see acpi.sourceforge.net for more info and user reports on your particular system. |
| 16:05.59 | abrotman | mp3j2: knoppix is not debian |
| 16:06.04 | mp3j2 | i dont think i wanna start another one till i finish the current ones |
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| 16:06.10 | mp3j2 | so what |
| 16:06.15 | mp3j2 | i still can read it |
| 16:06.31 | erirlar | how do i stop a download that wget downloads? |
| 16:06.40 | asg | erirlar: CTRL+C |
| 16:06.43 | nvz | mp3j2: knoppix hacks are going to be virtually useless on anything other than knoppix, and its off-topic here |
| 16:06.44 | erirlar | thanks |
| 16:06.46 | yoo | After new install the problem appears when i install 3D |
| 16:06.47 | jetscreamer | yoo, i can't type today, maybe not tomorrow either.... g'luck |
| 16:06.59 | mwilson | gary: If the web server is broken, then yes, I suppose wget might do that. |
| 16:07.03 | yoo | :) |
| 16:07.23 | mp3j2 | listen im not talking abot the damn book i just said what am reading at present time im talking about knoppix here |
| 16:07.51 | mp3j2 | so what the fuck you guys help with exactly in this damn room? |
| 16:07.52 | strk | anyone knows about a .wav player showing timings ? |
| 16:07.52 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 16:07.53 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 16:08.00 | abrotman | mp3j2: debian .. |
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| 16:08.12 | js_ | whats the best choice for an encrypted network filesystem? |
| 16:08.25 | asuffield | mp3j2: Debian. only Debian. not other things which aren't Debian. why do you even have to ask? |
| 16:08.28 | dmp_ | oh dear, beware newbie with attitude. |
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| 16:08.43 | mp3j2 | bullshit i see some guys asking including me you just get answers by dpkg or some bullshit answer such as go read a 600 pages book and come back |
| 16:08.51 | jetscreamer | a lot of the knoppix boot 'codes' function though |
| 16:08.55 | dmp_ | mp3j2: You're funny, I like you. |
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| 16:09.09 | mp3j2 | c'mon i think if you people aare so smart why not help some of us struggling to learn |
| 16:09.12 | yoo | jetscreamer : :) not a problem |
| 16:09.24 | asg | mp3j2: we are, by pointing you to existing resources. |
| 16:09.26 | yoo | i desactive 3D for the moment |
| 16:09.28 | dmp_ | mp3j2: because you're not making it pleasant for us to do so, mostly. |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | mp3j2: i honestly wasn't even awaare people were still developing swat |
| 16:09.37 | asuffield | mp3j2: you have not asked anything about Debian. so here's the first thing for you to learn: nothing that you have asked about so far has been Debian |
| 16:09.41 | torpet | sorry, i meant APIC, not ACPI |
| 16:09.45 | mp3j2 | i agnowledge there are some outrther that wanna be spoonfed but really sometimes you come acrooss some shit that is not even in google |
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| 16:09.57 | yoo | and i ask also on #xfree86 #nvidia |
| 16:09.57 | torpet | shall i use the APIC or not on a uniprocessor? |
| 16:09.57 | asg | torpet: try it. If you system doesn't boot, disable it. |
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| 16:10.02 | pureone | google knows all! |
| 16:10.08 | yoo | but anydoby can help me ! |
| 16:10.17 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 16:10.26 | jetscreamer | lose the K |
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| 16:10.40 | torpet | but what does the APIC exactly do? my system boots with and without apic support ? *confused* |
| 16:10.52 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Why 6629? |
| 16:10.53 | abrotman | !APIC |
| 16:10.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 16:10.56 | asuffield | torpet: if you don't understand it, leave it alone |
| 16:10.56 | asg | torpet: then don't worry about it |
| 16:10.57 | mp3j2 | ok so let's try questions such as who founded debian? |
| 16:10.58 | jetscreamer | torpet, it gives me a LOT of irq's |
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| 16:10.59 | ruzbeh | i got debian plus my internet connection running WHOOWOO |
| 16:11.03 | mp3j2 | and so on |
| 16:11.05 | mp3j2 | c'mon |
| 16:11.07 | asg | !congratulate ruzbeh |
| 16:11.08 | dpkg | Yay ruzbeh, you did it! |
| 16:11.13 | abrotman | mp3j2: ian murdock |
| 16:11.18 | dmp_ | mp3j2: back under your bridge, troll. |
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| 16:11.38 | ruzbeh | it was a lot harder than gentoo but easier at the same time |
| 16:11.48 | mp3j2 | who the fuck doesnt know that i also know he named it debian cause his wife name is deborah and his name is ian |
| 16:11.54 | torpet | i know that the APIC solves the problem with too less interrupts |
| 16:11.56 | mp3j2 | thats not what people help with |
| 16:11.57 | jetscreamer | kick him |
| 16:12.00 | jetscreamer | i would |
| 16:12.04 | dmp_ | mp3j2: and that makes you a genius? |
| 16:12.04 | deconvolution | asg: I tried, the ld even could not find -lX11 |
| 16:12.09 | jetscreamer | ihave no patience today |
| 16:12.10 | mp3j2 | what happen with the fucking tutor people |
| 16:12.11 | abrotman | mp3j2: just calm down and stop being a dick .. please |
| 16:12.13 | asg | deconvolution: hmmm |
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| 16:12.19 | asg | mp3j2: that's what mailing lists are for |
| 16:12.25 | mp3j2 | according to the hackers mnanifesto you must try and hel |
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| 16:12.32 | abrotman | oh my god |
| 16:12.35 | pngwn | heh |
| 16:12.36 | mp3j2 | i guess u people never read the fucking doc |
| 16:12.40 | mwilson | Wtf is "the hacker's manifesto"? |
| 16:12.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:12.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:12.45 | dmp_ | mp3j2: look, you're on to a loser. Just piss off and leave us thinking you're a dick, rather than prove it. |
| 16:12.57 | tzafrir | anybody here using vsftpd? any idea how where it logs errors? I'm currently stracing it to get meaningful errors |
| 16:12.57 | asg | mp3j2: according to the hacker's manifesto, you are supposted to do the pre-requisite leg-work before whining in here. |
| 16:13.10 | baz | mwilson: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+hacker's+manifesto |
| 16:13.15 | asuffield | mwilson: an old, semi-serious document written by a bunch of nutters many years ago. no useful content. |
| 16:13.30 | mwilson | asuffield: I thought as much. |
| 16:13.33 | Rawplayer | mwilson: you watch to much movies |
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| 16:13.50 | asuffield | it's mildly entertaining, which was the original purpose. but it doesn't actually say anything significant |
| 16:13.51 | mp3j2 | i tell you what think im a dick who gives a fuck you havent helped me here for nothing so what the fuck |
| 16:13.57 | mp3j2 | by the way im william |
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| 16:14.04 | mwilson | Rawplayer: Actually, I watch hardly any movies. Most of them aren't worth a buck, let alone the $7-8 they want to charge you. |
| 16:14.06 | jetscreamer | !ops mpj |
| 16:14.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mpj |
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| 16:14.17 | asg | mwilson: netflix |
| 16:14.18 | jetscreamer | oops make that mp3j2 |
| 16:14.18 | abrotman | but he wants help with swat .. so got to #samba |
| 16:14.24 | xk | mpj? |
| 16:14.24 | scarynetworkguy | mp3j2: Have you asked a Debian related question? |
| 16:14.25 | xk | ;) |
| 16:14.30 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: no |
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| 16:14.36 | mp3j2 | nowis starnge to me that the fcuking demigods havent taklen my voice yet may be you guys are getting better |
| 16:14.40 | mwilson | asg: Not worth the trouble. |
| 16:14.50 | xk | mp3j2: fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. is there anything else you can say? |
| 16:14.55 | asg | mwilson: I like it for getting poirot and other mysteries. |
| 16:14.57 | abrotman | xk: shit? |
| 16:14.58 | mwilson | asg: Movies I like, I buy. |
| 16:15.01 | mp3j2 | im a little piss |
| 16:15.05 | baz | mp3j2: what do you want then? how can we help you? |
| 16:15.10 | jetscreamer | yes you are... |
| 16:15.19 | mp3j2 | ive been coming to this room for ALMOST 2 YEARS JUST TO HEAR SHIT LIKE THAT |
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| 16:15.25 | xk | room! |
| 16:15.29 | xk | I LOVE FOLDERS |
| 16:15.33 | asuffield | it's called a channel, dweeb |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | funny .. i've never seen him |
| 16:15.37 | jetscreamer | after 2 years you should know that's inflammatory |
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| 16:15.49 | asg | mwilson: I have a pretty large collection. I do like netflix for some non-essentials though. |
| 16:16.34 | mwilson | asg: Cheap crap is still crap. I don't see any reason to support the production of crap, even if I can get it cheaply. |
| 16:16.41 | jetscreamer | <--typing lefthanded sux |
| 16:16.53 | asg | mwilson: *nod* |
| 16:17.00 | mwilson | asg: I stopped renting movies years ago. |
| 16:17.05 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: I'm left-handed. :-) |
| 16:17.13 | asuffield | asg: worthless american service |
| 16:17.16 | asg | mwilson: I stopped renting movies from Blockbuster years ago. |
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| 16:17.39 | asg | asuffield: I can at least get some British comedies that only show up on PBS rarely. |
| 16:17.50 | asuffield | asg: only if you happen to live in america :P |
| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | MobyTurbo, i was supposed to be lefthanded but my grandmother was oldschool |
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| 16:18.00 | asg | asuffield: I do |
| 16:18.02 | Overand | man |
| 16:18.11 | Overand | the channel is insane right now |
| 16:18.18 | tarzeau | xk: haha room and folders |
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| 16:18.30 | mops | hello! |
| 16:18.32 | tarzeau | xk: what next? |
| 16:18.33 | abrotman | oh .. that's who mp3j2 is .. that flawd guy that was in here yesterday saying that mandrake has a mmap commaned |
| 16:18.43 | abrotman | and complaining about quake |
| 16:18.47 | mops | how can I inspect to which pkg program ls belongs to? |
| 16:18.48 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: my great-grandmother (who was alive most of my childhood) told me the teachers trained her to be right-handed |
| 16:18.50 | xk | i'm gonna check my hotmail |
| 16:18.53 | xk | get on the mirc |
| 16:18.57 | jetscreamer | mops, apt-file |
| 16:18.57 | tarzeau | mops: dpkg -S /any/file |
| 16:18.59 | xk | do you msn? |
| 16:19.00 | asg | mops: dpkg -S |
| 16:19.02 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 16:19.11 | mops | thank you all |
| 16:19.12 | jetscreamer | xk, fire up that aol too |
| 16:19.19 | abrotman | oh wait .. no .. i lied .. i just can read |
| 16:19.21 | abrotman | err can't |
| 16:19.22 | jetscreamer | aol-browser i mean |
| 16:19.22 | abrotman | or type |
| 16:19.34 | asg | asuffield: I'm a gumby from Huddersfield originally but I've been here for 22 years now. |
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| 16:19.42 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: otherwise known as the interweb |
| 16:19.47 | asuffield | asg: sucker |
| 16:19.51 | asg | hehe |
| 16:19.51 | jetscreamer | intarweb++ |
| 16:19.52 | abrotman | asg: now you live with Pokey? |
| 16:20.04 | asg | abrotman: different Gumby |
| 16:20.20 | abrotman | asg: just wanted to make sure you didn't refer to your wife as Pokey :) |
| 16:20.30 | asg | abrotman: not unless you uses strapons |
| 16:20.35 | asg | s/you/she/ |
| 16:20.47 | abrotman | asg: uhm .. TMI? |
| 16:20.48 | wfq | how install grub in mbr of /dev/ataraid/d0 (/dev/sda y /dev/sdb are only volumen). /dev/ataraid/d0 is intalled with debootstrap from a debian installed in ide disk. I have mount /mnt/newSystem /dev/ataraid/d0 and I have chroot in /mnt/newSystem. Too I have mount -a but How do Install I grub in mbr /dev/ataraid/d0? |
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| 16:20.58 | asuffield | okay, lesson of the day: abrotman is NOT your wife |
| 16:21.07 | abrotman | duh |
| 16:21.08 | asg | asuffield: yeah, that was a pretty bad typo |
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| 16:21.42 | mwilson | wfq: Why in the world are you using ataraid? |
| 16:22.25 | wfq | wmwilson: it is that I have... |
| 16:22.45 | asuffield | wfq: not a valid reason. use regular software raid instead |
| 16:23.03 | Overand | what's "ataraid" ? |
| 16:23.14 | Rawplayer | guess |
| 16:23.16 | Overand | is /dev/ataraid the representation of a hardware raid interface? |
| 16:23.17 | wfq | asuffield: I have used iswraid of intel raid software |
| 16:23.17 | xk | intel pseudo hardware raid? |
| 16:23.26 | torpet | ?? |
| 16:23.30 | Overand | or yeah, is it one of those semi-hardware |
| 16:23.33 | wfq | ck: yes |
| 16:23.33 | Overand | "hardware assist" |
| 16:23.41 | asuffield | nah, it's pure software raid |
| 16:23.48 | torpet | is the sis180 also a semi-hardware chip? |
| 16:24.03 | mwilson | ataraid is the Promise pseudo-RAID device. |
| 16:24.04 | Overand | asuffield: ah. and how is 'regular' software raid represented? |
| 16:24.16 | asuffield | it's just not on-disk compatible with the real linux software raid. the only reason for using ataraid is when you've already got a raid device full of data that you need to access |
| 16:24.16 | wfq | I need install grub in mbr /dev/ataraid/d0 but I'am having very much problem |
| 16:24.31 | Overand | got it |
| 16:24.33 | torpet | for my sis180 raid chip, i need linux drivers too |
| 16:24.37 | jetscreamer | you're grubby |
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| 16:24.50 | asuffield | Overand: usually /dev/md*, or /dev/evms/* if you do it via evms |
| 16:24.52 | Overand | wfq: the question is, is there already data you need in /dev/ataraid/d0? |
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| 16:25.24 | asuffield | (the ataraid driver is markedly inferior to the regular md-raid/dm-raid drivers) |
| 16:25.29 | wfq | Overand: in /dev/ataraid/d0 i have installed debian with debootstrap |
| 16:25.56 | wfq | I want that the raid can boot |
| 16:26.17 | hogballs | The Infrared Remote Control software is not currently running. This configuration module will not work properly without it. Would you like to start it now? ---everytime it asks me this when i go into control center. why? |
| 16:26.43 | abrotman | sounds self explanatory to me |
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| 16:27.09 | hogballs | abrotman, i click yes and it asks me after closing out the window |
| 16:27.17 | abrotman | so start it .. |
| 16:27.20 | Overand | wfq: so why can't you get grub to write to that? |
| 16:27.24 | hogballs | err i mean it asks me everytime to start it |
| 16:27.31 | abrotman | then don't use it? |
| 16:27.34 | hogballs | i personally dont think its starting. |
| 16:27.36 | abrotman | sounds broken |
| 16:27.44 | abrotman | i'm going back to windows . linux is just a fad |
| 16:27.49 | hogballs | lol |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | hahaha snort hahaha |
| 16:28.04 | hogballs | hell, it dont work in windows |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | doesn't |
| 16:28.17 | wfq | if i have written grub in the /dev/ataraid/d0 but when raid try to boot --> ouput: L 01 01 01 01.... |
| 16:28.25 | xk | lilo? |
| 16:28.31 | asuffield | yeah, that's lilo |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | no .. L01 .. lilo is outdated |
| 16:28.46 | superCow007 | the debian package search page is hanging on me.. anyone know if libming is available for sarge? |
| 16:28.51 | hogballs | abrotman, I Ain't Gots not HogBalls |
| 16:28.57 | wfq | with lilo I not be able... |
| 16:28.58 | asuffield | a busted lilo even, presumably because it's been half-overwritten with a busted grub |
| 16:28.58 | abrotman | hogballs: lovely |
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| 16:29.08 | gate_ | I'm having a raid problem right now too. But I'm using md devices. udev is not creating all of my md devices for me. / and swap get setup but that is it. from searching around I have seen reference using --auto with mdadm but I have not figured it all out |
| 16:29.12 | superCow007 | I see libming is there for the stable branch, but I don't see it for testing/sarge.. |
| 16:29.14 | abrotman | !info libming sarge |
| 16:29.14 | MobyTurbo | !info libming sarge |
| 16:29.37 | wfq | I need un loader boot: lilo o grub: I want that raid to boot |
| 16:29.48 | asuffield | gate_: you may find it easier to work with evms |
| 16:29.49 | MobyTurbo | boy am I lagging |
| 16:29.59 | superCow007 | I am lagging or something.. that info never showed up |
| 16:30.05 | superCow007 | !info libming sarge |
| 16:30.10 | superCow007 | ahh |
| 16:30.11 | hogballs | abrotman, it took me 3 hours and I finally found my Creative RM-900 Remote control. I wanted to rig the buttons on it to control the tv. |
| 16:30.12 | superCow007 | there we go |
| 16:30.20 | wfq | i have had grub-install and update-grub but it dont't work |
| 16:30.25 | superCow007 | <dpkg> Package 'libming' does not exist. |
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| 16:30.26 | abrotman | hogballs: best of luck to you |
| 16:30.35 | superCow007 | now it is there for stable.. but not sarge? |
| 16:30.42 | hogballs | abrotman, ya it will be swell to get it working. |
| 16:30.53 | abrotman | superCow007: should be in there somewhere |
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| 16:31.20 | flawd | what is S14ppp in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 16:31.21 | gate_ | aw, evms sounds interesting but how hard is it to putt root on it. |
| 16:31.24 | abrotman | superCow007: though .. there's not even a php4-ming in sarge |
| 16:31.37 | xk | supecow: mingw32? |
| 16:31.41 | xk | superCow007: rather. |
| 16:31.48 | asuffield | gate_: not appreciably different. it's the same md, dm, and lvm drivers in the backend, and more or less the same on-disk layout |
| 16:31.51 | abrotman | xk: that's a compiler |
| 16:31.54 | Mardus | Hi. I have Debian 3.0/woody and I'd like to install and try out Konqueror 1.x, but not the latest available version. |
| 16:31.55 | superCow007 | yeah.. why is that |
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| 16:32.08 | superCow007 | apt-cache search is turning up empty for me |
| 16:32.11 | Vampire | hey guys |
| 16:32.12 | flawd | Im contemplating disableing it |
| 16:32.21 | xk | hrm... there's libmingw32.a, no .so. |
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| 16:32.27 | flawd | isnt S14ppp for adsl? |
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| 16:32.34 | flawd | or what does it do? |
| 16:32.40 | Mardus | So question is, how do I get Konq1 through apt-get? |
| 16:32.42 | asuffield | xk: it's not like it'll run on Debian :P |
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| 16:33.03 | xk | ;) |
| 16:33.25 | abrotman | !maint libming |
| 16:33.32 | Vampire | i'm trying to update libc6 but i can't without install libdb1-compat first, but when i try to install libdb1-compat it says it needs libc6. it's kinda a loop |
| 16:33.33 | baz | Mardus: konqueror 1? why on earth would you want that? it's prehistoric |
| 16:34.00 | Mardus | baz: Yea, well, I have a prehistoric pc at hand here. |
| 16:34.03 | abrotman | !hello |
| 16:34.04 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 16:34.09 | asuffield | Vampire: then they have to be upgraded together |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | !maint libming woody |
| 16:34.26 | Vampire | asuffield how can i do that? |
| 16:34.27 | dpkg | libming: Erich Schubert <debian@vitavonni.de> |
| 16:34.29 | abrotman | superCow007: ask that guy |
| 16:34.30 | flawd | Does anyone know what S14ppp in /etc/rc2.d/ does? |
| 16:34.40 | superCow007 | ok, thanks |
| 16:34.42 | baz | Mardus: maybe it's in potato. check the archive |
| 16:34.44 | superCow007 | I'll drop him a line |
| 16:34.50 | idnar | !cookie superCow007 |
| 16:35.01 | abrotman | nice |
| 16:35.14 | abrotman | idnar: i don't think you meant that cookie |
| 16:35.16 | Mardus | baz: Would it work, if I downloaded it and installed it into woody thru dpkg? |
| 16:35.16 | mwilson | Vampire: How are you trying to "update" libc6? |
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| 16:35.25 | idnar | abrotman: no, I don't think so either |
| 16:35.31 | Vampire | nwilson i downloaded a deb package |
| 16:35.34 | baz | Mardus: no idea, try it |
| 16:35.35 | abrotman | !cookie idnar |
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| 16:35.41 | mwilson | Vampire: From? |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | i guess cookie is broken |
| 16:35.54 | idnar | no, there just aren't any factoids about me |
| 16:35.57 | idnar | !cookie abrotman |
| 16:35.58 | Vampire | mwilson i dunno, a unknowed ftp... |
| 16:36.01 | Undray | hello everyone |
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| 16:36.10 | Undray | i would need some help please |
| 16:36.13 | Vampire | mwilson i can't find the version i need in debian.org |
| 16:36.17 | mwilson | Vampire: You know, there are easier ways to destroy your machine, if that's what you're after. |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | idnar: well .. i know there are some about me |
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| 16:36.29 | idnar | eh, I think dpkg is ignoring me now or something |
| 16:36.29 | Mardus | baz: I might, but even if it didn't work and I uninstalled it, do you imagine my system would be fine afterwards? |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | idnar: i think he's dying |
| 16:36.36 | mwilson | Vampire: What makes you think you need some other version than the one already installed? |
| 16:36.43 | Vampire | mwilson i'm trying to install amsn |
| 16:36.49 | idnar | @cookie abrotman |
| 16:36.53 | mwilson | Vampire: So? |
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| 16:37.05 | ravenbird | Hey idnar, is |
| 16:37.07 | Vampire | mwilson it requires libc6 2.3.2.ds1-4 or better |
| 16:37.10 | abrotman | idnar: not working!! |
| 16:37.18 | idnar | ~cookie abrotman |
| 16:37.19 | baz | Mardus: should be fine if you just install and then remove that one deb. you'll probably need to remove your current version of konqueror, but you can always put it back afterward. I still think it's a stupid idea though. |
| 16:37.20 | mwilson | Vampire: Then you're SOL, aren't you? |
| 16:37.24 | ronye | hi ! I am a beginner with linux. I have a dual boot system (Linux/Windows) and I would like to access by telnet the Linux machine from Windows. Is this possible ? Thanks ! |
| 16:37.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:37.29 | idnar | mmph |
| 16:37.30 | Vampire | mwilson SOL? what's that? |
| 16:37.34 | xk | ronye: on the same machine? |
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| 16:37.40 | ronye | xk :yes |
| 16:37.43 | abrotman | ronye: use ssh |
| 16:37.46 | baz | ronye: there are so many things wrong with that |
| 16:37.51 | xk | ronye: impossible. |
| 16:37.54 | abrotman | ronye: then download putty for windows |
| 16:38.02 | mwilson | Vampire: You cannot randomly replace libc6, unless what you're actually trying to do is destroy the box. |
| 16:38.04 | xk | how can you run both natively at the same time? |
| 16:38.10 | Henning | I'm backing up xk here :) |
| 16:38.11 | Mardus | Vampire: good luck installing amsn. I tried every other IM program made for woody, but none of them connect to the msn or Yahoo! protocols. Only Gaim connects to AIM and then works decently. |
| 16:38.15 | Henning | If I understood the question. |
| 16:38.23 | mwilson | !find libc6 woody |
| 16:38.24 | Mardus | baz: I have to use an old computer. |
| 16:38.28 | xk | if you dual boot. how can you run both at the same time? :) |
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| 16:38.39 | nvz | I guess there isnt a tool in debian that can open "7z archive data, version 0.2" ? |
| 16:38.41 | ronye | xk: I thought there was any kind of virtual machine to install |
| 16:38.45 | baz | Mardus: what makes you think konq1 will be better than konq2 |
| 16:38.48 | asuffield | nvz: that's 7zip |
| 16:38.51 | Undray | i have a "little" problem...my X won't load. today i installed debian linux 3.0r4 and all i get is the prompt after booting |
| 16:38.52 | baz | Mardus: why not use a simpler browser? |
| 16:38.53 | Vampire | !find libc6 woody |
| 16:38.55 | xk | ronye: there's vmware. |
| 16:38.56 | Henning | ronye: You need two distinct computers or a solution with virtual machines to be able to do something like that. |
| 16:38.57 | abrotman | nvz: they're up to like version 4 or something now |
| 16:39.00 | Undray | can someone help me? |
| 16:39.12 | ronye | xk: with vmware it could be possible ? |
| 16:39.12 | Mardus | baz: I already have dillo. I need more web functionality, though... |
| 16:39.17 | Vampire | mwilson so what can i do to install amsn? |
| 16:39.17 | mwilson | Undray: Did you, perhaps, *install* X? |
| 16:39.21 | nvz | abrotman: asuffield I realize this, but what can unzip it? |
| 16:39.23 | mwilson | Vampire: <shrug> You don't. |
| 16:39.24 | macomber | ronye: have you tried the 'official' .deb from their site |
| 16:39.27 | xk | ronye: yes. one inside the other. windows in linux, or linux in windows. |
| 16:39.30 | abrotman | nvz: 7zip won't do it? |
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| 16:39.35 | asuffield | nvz: 7zip can. it's free software but kinda crappy. should be in the archive someplace |
| 16:39.46 | nvz | abrotman: where the hell do you get 7zip? |
| 16:39.47 | baz | Mardus: then maybe you should invest in a computer from this century. I don't think kde1 will be much quicker than kde2, and I don't think it'll have much more functionality than dillo either |
| 16:39.52 | Undray | mwilosn, you mean configure it? i tried with X -configure command |
| 16:39.52 | nvz | !find bin/7zip |
| 16:40.00 | abrotman | nvz: 7-zip.com |
| 16:40.04 | Undray | and i surely checked X window in the install menu |
| 16:40.05 | xk | there's 7zip for debian? |
| 16:40.12 | xk | I thought it's windows only |
| 16:40.14 | asuffield | xk: somewhere. search your own damn packages file |
| 16:40.16 | abrotman | xk: for linux .. don't think it's in debian though |
| 16:40.26 | nvz | screw it :P |
| 16:40.29 | abrotman | xk: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/utils/p7zip |
| 16:40.36 | abrotman | i was wrong .. it's in experimental :) |
| 16:40.38 | Mardus | baz: Well I need to find out about that. I am sure Konq1 will be quicker than Konq2, but I only want the browser and not KDE. |
| 16:40.40 | xk | ;) |
| 16:41.09 | baz | Mardus: good luck. let me know how you get on. I don't think it'll be worthwhile, but feel free to prove me wrong. |
| 16:41.16 | mwilson | Mardus: Recent konqueror is bad enough... if you think you need to use one that old, why don't you use links2 or something? |
| 16:41.19 | Undray | help me please...i'm really stucked in knoppix right now |
| 16:41.23 | xk | !knoppix |
| 16:41.26 | mwilson | Undray: Oh, Knoppix. |
| 16:41.29 | baz | Undray: #knoppix |
| 16:41.30 | mwilson | Undray: #knoppix |
| 16:41.40 | Undray | i don't need help for knoppix |
| 16:41.55 | mwilson | Wow... someone would *really* have to be incompetent to not have X running in Knoppix. |
| 16:41.55 | Mardus | mwilson: Ah, links2... I couldn't get it through usual apt-get, I got a prehistoric version of Links instead. |
| 16:41.57 | Undray | i'm running in knoppix right now just because my X won't load |
| 16:42.09 | mwilson | Mardus: Prehistoric? |
| 16:42.19 | mwilson | Mardus: Debian packages the latest version of links. |
| 16:42.20 | Mardus | Links 0.something pre something |
| 16:42.26 | Undray | mwilson, i am running under knoppix! |
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| 16:42.46 | Undray | my X for debian linux 3.0r4 won't load |
| 16:42.52 | Mardus | mwilson: I downloaded links-ssl, and I can't log in into sites with that. |
| 16:42.57 | baz | Undray: what graphics card? |
| 16:42.57 | Undray | i guess the X server is kdm |
| 16:43.04 | Undray | ati radeon 9200 |
| 16:43.04 | mwilson | Undray: You guess wrong. |
| 16:43.11 | baz | Undray: kdm is not an X server |
| 16:43.20 | mwilson | Mardus: Really? Why? |
| 16:43.25 | Undray | ok, you know better |
| 16:43.37 | Undray | is my grahics card a problem? |
| 16:43.39 | Mardus | mwilson: Because I tried it out. I have woody, not sarge. |
| 16:43.57 | baz | Undray: I'm not that familiar with ATI cards, but you might be better off with sarge. woody was released 3 years ago, so any cards released since then are not necessarily supported. |
| 16:44.08 | Mardus | Undray: You have to know exactly what your video card is, not "I guess what it is" |
| 16:44.42 | Undray | my video card is a Gigabyte ATi Radeon 9200 Pro 128 MB, 64 bits... |
| 16:44.48 | Undray | this is my video card |
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| 16:45.18 | Undray | what is sarge? |
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| 16:45.27 | Undray | how can i get sarge? |
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| 16:45.32 | abrotman | !d-i Undray |
| 16:45.35 | baz | Undray: sarge is the version of debian after woody |
| 16:45.39 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 16:45.47 | abrotman | @d-i Undray |
| 16:45.54 | abrotman | where did all the fucking bots go? |
| 16:45.54 | Mardus | I was actually lucky to get woody, because it's smaller than Sarge and I finally got X working on an S3Trio64V+ (Xfree86 3.3.6) |
| 16:46.02 | starshine | :( my happy local mirror isn't happy right now; packages files, but no .deb files! |
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| 16:46.10 | baz | Mardus: fsvo 'lucky' |
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| 16:46.27 | Mardus | baz: What is fsvo? |
| 16:46.34 | baz | Mardus: For Some Values Of |
| 16:46.36 | thingfish | Undray: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:46.40 | Undray | abrotman: what is @d-i? |
| 16:46.41 | abrotman | Undray: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 16:46.45 | green_earz | Undray: here is a link for the 110 meg sarge net installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050318/ or check out ebay for a cd set |
| 16:47.02 | superCow007 | hey, if I download the libming from the stable branch, is it likely to install ok in unstable? |
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| 16:47.14 | superCow007 | the dependencies are pretty simple - http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libming |
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| 16:47.23 | abrotman | superCow007: you can try it ... or you could try building from the ming site i guess? |
| 16:47.23 | Mardus | baz: Well, years ago, on that same computer, around 2000/2001, I installed some BestLinux2000r2 distro, which kept giving me sig9 and si11 |
| 16:47.27 | Undray | thank you |
| 16:47.32 | green_earz | np |
| 16:47.33 | ZEA | how come gnome depends on mozilla-browser, in sarge? |
| 16:47.42 | Mardus | baz: That is why I wanted to have something that is super-stable. |
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| 16:47.58 | Undray | i will read about this...and hope i will get an answer |
| 16:47.58 | mwilson | ZEA: It doesn't. |
| 16:48.12 | green_earz | Undray: pick the sarge-i386-netinst.iso from the web link |
| 16:48.14 | Mardus | ZEA: Because gnome and Mozilla teamed up and now Mozilla is to gnome like IE is to Windows |
| 16:48.21 | starshine | if the mirror sites have no packages on them, how will I successfully netinst my sparc with debian? the files aren't there to be had.. |
| 16:48.33 | mwilson | Mardus: Where did you get THAT nonsense? |
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| 16:48.57 | Mardus | mwilson: Well, supposing that gnome depends on mozilla, which ZEA claimed. |
| 16:48.58 | superCow007 | hrmm.. yeah, I'll take a look there.. is there a special place for unmanaged libraries in debian? |
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| 16:49.07 | Henning | ZEA: How did you end up with the conclusion that it does? |
| 16:49.13 | Hellfire3k | Mardus you can say the same for konqueror |
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| 16:49.31 | abrotman | superCow007: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 16:49.32 | ZEA | mwilson: I'm having the "gnome" package installed and it makes me install mozilla-browser as well. is "gnome" some sort of task package? |
| 16:49.40 | Undray | green_earz: and after burning it to a cd, how do i install it? from the linux prompt i have already installed? |
| 16:49.41 | asuffield | epiphany-browser is the preferred browser for gnome-desktop-enviroment, which is pulled in by gnome. it's a gecko frontend, so it sucks in mozilla-browser to get at the libraries (the usual gecko disaster) |
| 16:49.41 | Mardus | Hellfire3k: Konq and KDE too... |
| 16:49.43 | Henning | superCow007: What do you mean by unmanaged? |
| 16:50.06 | mwilson | Epiphany sucks rocks. |
| 16:50.07 | superCow007 | not managed by a package manager hacim |
| 16:50.10 | ZEA | this dependency is not direct |
| 16:50.10 | superCow007 | Henning that is |
| 16:50.14 | pointer | is there a dpkg switch or other util to fix perms on a debian install? |
| 16:50.16 | superCow007 | thanks abrotman, I'll check that out |
| 16:50.18 | asuffield | epiphany-browser (>= 1.4.7) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | mozilla-firefox-gnome-support |
| 16:50.23 | mwilson | ZEA: You're the one who claimed it was. |
| 16:50.32 | Henning | superCow007: I'd stuff them in /usr/local/lib, but you might have to update /etc/ld.so.conf to get stuff to look for them there at runtime. |
| 16:50.33 | Hellfire3k | asuffield how is sucking in a libary worse than staticlly including it |
| 16:50.33 | pointer | a cursory search didn't turn up anything |
| 16:50.35 | gravity | pointer: Fix perms? What do you actually want to do? |
| 16:50.52 | pointer | gravity: I had a system who's main fs was going down the tubes (laptop) |
| 16:50.52 | Henning | superCow007: Better yet take your time to make a .deb of them for easy management :) |
| 16:50.55 | asuffield | Hellfire3k: ordinarily it isn't, but mozilla is an ungodly mess |
| 16:51.03 | abrotman | pointer: fix perms? |
| 16:51.06 | pointer | gravity: I got a backup, but didn't realize until afterwords...I forgot to preserve permissions |
| 16:51.15 | starshine | could someone please give me an /etc/apt/source.list line for sparc that leads to someplace still carrying .deb files as well as the apt-get update listings? |
| 16:51.22 | Henning | superCow007: checkinnstall can be really handy for making debs in a hurry if you don't care about the fine details. |
| 16:51.23 | pointer | actually...it's wierd...I did rsync -a...so it should have |
| 16:51.28 | abrotman | starshine: apt-setup |
| 16:51.31 | charzero | What does "PRNG is not seeded" mean? |
| 16:51.31 | Henning | s/innstall/install/ |
| 16:51.32 | pointer | but that doesn't really matter at this point |
| 16:51.35 | mwilson | starshine: There's something wrong with the published list of mirrors, of course. |
| 16:51.37 | asuffield | they aren't exactly real libraries and they don't exactly work properly when you do this. every time mozilla gets updated, epiphany and galeon stop working |
| 16:51.37 | gravity | pointer: Oh, so you want dpkg to set up the permissions from the package files? |
| 16:51.38 | charzero | (when trying to ssh) |
| 16:51.39 | green_earz | Undray: wants you installed the sarge base, then the rest is installed over the net. thats the packages you want |
| 16:51.42 | gravity | pointer: No, that doesn't exist |
| 16:51.48 | pointer | hrm |
| 16:51.49 | starshine | abrotman: ftp.us.debian.org leads to a site with no .debs in it |
| 16:51.55 | mwilson | asuffield: Do epiphany and galeon ever work in the first place? |
| 16:51.56 | abrotman | starshine: huh? |
| 16:52.02 | asuffield | mwilson: to a certain extent |
| 16:52.06 | starshine | abrotman: and if I don't already have apt-setup therefore I certainly cannot get it now! |
| 16:52.08 | pointer | gravity: any handy script to reinstall all packages or something? :) |
| 16:52.23 | asuffield | they won't even start up when mozilla skews the version |
| 16:52.26 | Undray | green_earz: i don't get it. so i burn this image to a cdrom. and afterwards? |
| 16:52.30 | gravity | pointer: No, that doesn't exist that I know of, although you could probably hack something up fairly quickly |
| 16:52.35 | mwilson | I think I'd just stop using the web before I'd bother trying to use epiphany full-time. |
| 16:52.38 | abrotman | starshine: hrm .. i use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:52.43 | starshine | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ |
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| 16:52.53 | abrotman | starshine: that's not ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:52.54 | starshine | lookie no files with .deb in them! |
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| 16:52.59 | abrotman | starshine: nor is it sparc |
| 16:53.13 | starshine | abrotman: got same results (or lack) from ftp.us.debian.org and ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 16:53.23 | mwilson | abrotman: Now, now, don't confuse the cluebie with facts. |
| 16:53.25 | starshine | abrotman: also got same results for sparc directories |
| 16:53.33 | starshine | abrotman: I use both platforms. |
| 16:53.38 | abrotman | starshine: there isn't supposed to be debs there .. it's the packages file .. and that points the pool directory |
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| 16:53.43 | green_earz | Undray: install the sarge base from that cd, and then the rest of the suff you need will be over the net. have you got dsl connection ? |
| 16:53.48 | vchrizz | is it possible to add ipv6 to /etc/network/interfaces too? like the stuff with eth0 ipv4 connectivity? |
| 16:54.00 | mwilson | vchrizz: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:54.21 | TTT_Travis | I am using a version of linux based off Debian, its owrkings fine but the words are all jiggling and stuff |
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| 16:54.26 | Undray | green-earz: i have just a 256kbps connection..by cable modem...in romania :) |
| 16:54.33 | TTT_Travis | I think it has something todo with the monitor DPI |
| 16:54.34 | pureone | mmm root |
| 16:54.38 | mwilson | TTT_Travis: Then go ask whoever created it. |
| 16:54.41 | starshine | abrotman: I have a system damaged by HD rot, where can I find the actual .debs then? |
| 16:54.43 | baz | TTT_Travis: what version? |
| 16:54.48 | mwilson | TTT_Travis: You'd be wrong. |
| 16:54.54 | abrotman | starshine: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/c/courier/ |
| 16:54.58 | abrotman | starshine: etc |
| 16:55.00 | green_earz | Undray: that will do the job |
| 16:55.03 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
| 16:55.07 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
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| 16:55.17 | dan2 | abrotman: funny issue with alsa right now |
| 16:55.23 | Mardus | Undray: When you've burned an iso, take it out the cd burner. Exit your programs, the cd-burning program, restart the computer. Somewhere in the process open the cd player tray, insert the cd. Once the pc has restarted, it should read the cd first to boot up from there and then you'll get instructions to go on... |
| 16:55.23 | starshine | abrotman: thank you, have a nice day, and the ice cream or beer of your choice |
| 16:55.26 | abrotman | dan2: that's not funny at all |
| 16:55.34 | abrotman | starshine: but that packages file is what you actually want |
| 16:55.38 | dan2 | abrotman: I've checked all volume controls, reloaded modules, and still can't hear any sound |
| 16:55.48 | dan2 | abrotman: and xmms is still playing away |
| 16:55.49 | starshine | abrotman: as soon as I trust dpkg again believe me it'll be updated.. |
| 16:56.02 | abrotman | dan2: you're asking the wrong person .. i still have to raise PCM levels everytime i want sound to work :) |
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| 16:56.15 | abrotman | ~tell Qumran about root |
| 16:56.23 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 16:56.28 | Undray | and do i have a burning software under knoppix? because i wouldn't want to format my hard disk again and install windows or smt |
| 16:56.44 | baz | Undray: cdrecord is included in knoppix afaik |
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| 16:56.54 | Mardus | Undray, I think there is burning software under knoppix |
| 16:57.03 | Undray | ok |
| 16:57.06 | Mardus | baz: what is k3b? |
| 16:57.07 | Undray | i will try |
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| 16:57.24 | baz | Mardus: kde graphical shell for cdrecord |
| 16:57.28 | ep | New install, dual booting. hda (windows hard drive) is not listed in /etc/fstab Why is this? I'd like to mount one NTFS partition as ro and one FAT as rw. How do i got about it? |
| 16:57.31 | Mardus | Undray: Yea, have another computer handy to connect here |
| 16:57.31 | Undray | thanks everyone |
| 16:57.35 | Mardus | baz: ok |
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| 16:57.45 | abrotman | ep: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:57.57 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:57.59 | TTT_Travis | I am using a version of linux based off Debian, its owrkings fine but the words are all jiggling and stuff |
| 16:58.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead or dying or ignoring everyone |
| 16:58.09 | baz | TTT_Travis: what version? |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | or maybe just me |
| 16:58.32 | gravity | ugh... why all the derivatives? We need to release sarge just to stop the flow of people using derivatives in here :-\ |
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| 16:58.35 | travisat | !insult abrotman |
| 16:58.47 | abrotman | travisat: right .. cause i'm too stupid to fucking try that |
| 16:58.55 | travisat | nope doesn't work |
| 16:59.00 | MobyTurbo | !based on debian |
| 16:59.05 | abrotman | no shit .. fucking geniuses everywhere |
| 16:59.06 | Mardus | gravity: Because woody is outdated and sarge hasn't been released yet. |
| 16:59.09 | green_earz | Undray: if you pick manual install of packages at the end of the base install, you can use apt-get to install a system trailard to your needs. but on your first net go for the default install of desktops, to get a feel for the installer |
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| 16:59.17 | gravity | Mardus: testing lives, as does unstable |
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| 16:59.23 | TTT_Travis | baz its a version based of Debian called Libranet |
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| 16:59.31 | asuffield | gravity: NIH. nothing can stop it. |
| 16:59.43 | abrotman | TTT_Travis: #libranet |
| 16:59.43 | gravity | asuffield: Yeah, no kidding |
| 17:00.05 | gravity | TTT_Travis: We don't support debian-derivatives in here. Either install real debian or go to a libranet support channel |
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| 17:00.40 | TTT_Travis | ok |
| 17:00.41 | abrotman | ep: /msg apt vfatrw |
| 17:00.43 | TTT_Travis | thanks! |
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| 17:01.05 | ep | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.13 | helix | almost |
| 17:01.17 | abrotman | ep: use apt .. dpkg is taking the day off |
| 17:01.32 | helix | it was working earlier |
| 17:01.38 | helix | how are you? |
| 17:01.40 | abrotman | helix: it was ... |
| 17:01.42 | helix | hmph |
| 17:01.45 | ep | ok |
| 17:01.46 | abrotman | !hello |
| 17:01.50 | helix | usually it responds "mas o menos" |
| 17:01.51 | trappe | hello |
| 17:01.52 | asuffield | helix: are you talking to yourself? |
| 17:01.54 | ep | wondering about that:) |
| 17:02.08 | trappe | do you know aurox , |
| 17:02.19 | abrotman | asuffield: helix' ! is broken :) |
| 17:02.20 | helix | asuffield: I was testing dpkg |
| 17:02.20 | Mardus | gravity: well, I guess I am personally more sure of what the current Stable is, considering the fact that in 2000 or 2001 I had serious problems with a made-in-Findland distro that gave me sig9's and sig11's left and right. And that it had a 2.2.14 kernel (less fault-tolerance than in 2.4.x, I guess) and ext2 (no journalling) |
| 17:02.22 | Qumran | Hello guys, I'm new to debian. My problem is that when the X server starts both my mouse and my keyboard dies completely ..... |
| 17:02.27 | Undray | green-earz: when i installed woody, i didn't go through dselect... and altough i didn't work out...hope will work with sarge. i also found a cd burner under knoppix...k3d :) |
| 17:02.34 | asuffield | helix: generally that requires talking to dpkg, not to us |
| 17:02.43 | helix | asuffield: for some reason it responds to "how are you?" without having to preface it with "dpkg:" |
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| 17:02.58 | abrotman | helix: also "hello helix, how are you" |
| 17:03.03 | asuffield | hmm, sounds like a bug in hungry mode support. that's *supposed* to be turned off here |
| 17:03.03 | ZEA | Qumran: have you configured X? and how? |
| 17:03.07 | abrotman | and then dpkg says something |
| 17:03.15 | helix | asuffield: it might be in here. dpkg does it in other channels though |
| 17:03.23 | trappe | I HAVE kaella french knoppix : it's good |
| 17:03.23 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: stable can install a 2.4 kernel too. |
| 17:03.26 | ruzbeh | how the hell do you get rid of that HUGE message when you login (without X) |
| 17:03.39 | Undray | green_earz: i remembered a thing: is it normal that my monitor flickers a few times when it boots or when i try to acces kde or gde from /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:03.42 | asuffield | hungry mode is generally a recipie for vast amounts of drivel |
| 17:03.44 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: and ext3 |
| 17:03.48 | Undray | ? |
| 17:03.51 | Qumran | ZEA: I'm gonna check, but first i have to know how to turn of so that gdm doesn't start automatically when debian starts? Otherwise i can't do anything.... ;/ |
| 17:04.01 | Kvant | ruzbeh, edit /etc/motd (leave the first line) |
| 17:04.09 | ruzbeh | Kvant, thank you |
| 17:04.16 | astronut__ | satHan: you around? |
| 17:04.24 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: I was referring to that Made-in-Finland distro which had a 2.2.14 kernel and no 2.4 (that was then experimental or inexistant)... |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | helix: he's not responding in -bots either |
| 17:04.43 | asuffield | I expect it's locked up |
| 17:04.46 | asuffield | they do that from time to time |
| 17:04.58 | ZEA | Qumran: just remove gdm from the startup scripts (but make a backup first) |
| 17:05.02 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: what does that have to do with if Debian will work? |
| 17:05.26 | ZEA | Qumran: I think you can also try to "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
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| 17:05.34 | Qumran | ZEA: The startup scripts is the ones that are located in rcX.d eh? |
| 17:05.40 | ZEA | Qumran: yes |
| 17:05.51 | Qumran | ZEA: Thanks so much |
| 17:06.07 | MobyTurbo | Qumran: apt-get remove --purge gdm will remove the scripts |
| 17:06.27 | trappe | i come in the first time on this debian servers |
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| 17:06.47 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: I had once installed that made-in-Finland year-2000-named distro. I got sig9's and sig11's left and right with that and it had 2.2.14 kernel and ext2 (no 2.4.x as I remember and no ext3 either). Because of experience with such a faulty distro, I wanted something that I knew of that would be very stable, that's why I chose woody over sarge |
| 17:06.49 | ZEA | MobyTurbo: Qumran might be looking to stop gdm just for X configuration purposes |
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| 17:07.39 | green_earz | Undray: or check out ebay for a sarge cd set. would be a good price i bet |
| 17:07.47 | MobyTurbo | ZEA: if he manually deletes the scripts that can cause trouble. |
| 17:07.50 | ruzbeh | how do i permanently change my console font in debian |
| 17:07.53 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: I also got woody, because initially I wanted to install it on a craputer of 100MHz Pentium w/ 32M of RAM. |
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| 17:08.17 | hacim | superCow007: ? |
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| 17:08.36 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: I'm not faulting you getting Woody. |
| 17:08.37 | hacim | superCow007: 11:50 < superCow007> not managed by a package manager hacim |
| 17:08.39 | trappe | tperdue salut à toi |
| 17:08.43 | baz | Mardus: wow that is prehistoric |
| 17:08.56 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: your experience with some wierd Finnish distro is not typical of Linux quality. |
| 17:08.58 | Undray | green_earz: i don't think it is a good idea. romania is a little bit restricted for ebay :) and my cds will come about within 3 weeks |
| 17:09.02 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: Now I have it on a P120 MHz machine with 32M RAM ('cause a Win98 HDD developed bad blocks and a 200Mb W95 HDD was too small and too old to install a firewall on it). |
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| 17:09.30 | MobyTurbo | baz: if that's prehistoric I ran kernel 0.95 on a 386sx-16 |
| 17:09.36 | ZEA | ruzbeh: I think you can pass an argument to lilo stating a desired font |
| 17:09.56 | baz | MobyTurbo: yeah but you're not using it today |
| 17:09.59 | ruzbeh | ZEA, what if the font is in /usr/share/consolefonts? |
| 17:10.10 | MobyTurbo | baz: true enough |
| 17:11.09 | trappe | when you begin install you can choose à font |
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| 17:11.38 | Walleye | Anyone have a sid source for java2-common? |
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| 17:12.40 | moya | two questions: where can be a package that was in the new queue but isn't in it now, neither in the archive, does it was rejected ? |
| 17:12.49 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: Well, it was a SOT BestLinux 2000 r2 (nicknamed Moscow). A Russian-language Linux book from these times says that the distro is either developed or co-developed with Russians living in Finland. |
| 17:12.51 | asuffield | moya: probably |
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| 17:12.57 | moya | and, may I download packages thar are in the new queue ? |
| 17:13.00 | helix | dissed. |
| 17:13.03 | helix | moya: no |
| 17:13.05 | asuffield | moya: no |
| 17:13.14 | qumran | ZEA; Thank you very much, now i finally can configure ... |
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| 17:13.24 | helix | mmm, hummus |
| 17:13.46 | moya | ok, thanks |
| 17:13.51 | MobyTurbo | Mardus: I'm sorry you had some bad experiences, they aren't typical of Debian, even Sarge or Sid. |
| 17:13.59 | asuffield | helix: fuck's sake, why don't you just eat grass like a horse? |
| 17:14.13 | qumran | ZEA: I have configured X though /etc/X11/XFree86-Config-4 . Edited it manually ... |
| 17:14.14 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: So that particular distro with that name was developed by them. Now they've renamed shop and claim to release some very high-end stuff. |
| 17:14.15 | helix | asuffield: hmm, fertilizer isn't vegan, I don't think? |
| 17:14.16 | ruzbeh | asuffield, horses don't eat grass |
| 17:14.34 | helix | asuffield: anyway, I eat bean sprouts and greens etc, does that count? |
| 17:14.43 | ruzbeh | helix, nope |
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| 17:14.46 | caphuso | helix: and you think there's no fertilizer in your hummus? |
| 17:15.03 | helix | I don't care. I eat it with wild abandon! |
| 17:15.09 | qumran | ZEA: But i'll guess i did it wrong. Is there some other way? |
| 17:15.17 | asuffield | there's fertilizer in everything |
| 17:15.19 | Walleye | Anyone have a sid source for java2-common? |
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| 17:15.26 | asuffield | that's a corollary of Sturgeon's Law |
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| 17:15.39 | gary | Can you use pascal in linux ? |
| 17:15.51 | caphuso | gary: yes, but do you want to? |
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| 17:16.10 | membrive | hi |
| 17:16.13 | helix | blah blah, sturgeon's law |
| 17:16.20 | helix | that's like, _ALL_ you talk about |
| 17:16.34 | asuffield | it's one of the very small number of fundamental laws of the universe :P |
| 17:16.38 | ZEA | qumran: I don't know, I edited it manually too |
| 17:16.40 | gary | lol caphuso, i was just curious |
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| 17:16.57 | gary | caphuso: i was trying to do it about a year ago, but couldn't find a pascal compliler |
| 17:17.19 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: Another reason might be in the turbo button of the machine. I used to use a machine that had Turbo on & Win95 running. The CPU was IDT C3 200MHz (IDT is now part of VIA, which does concentrate itself heavily on Linux). All that was so unstable that father took it to the shop, and after that I discovered that the turbo button connector was off the motherboard. I consulted a local newsgroup and they said that the CPU might have been ov |
| 17:17.32 | asuffield | besides, how could I resist a line like that? |
| 17:17.52 | caphuso | gary: there's at least free and gnu pascal |
| 17:17.52 | helix | asuffield: maybe so, but you have to stop bandying it around so much; it makes you look very dull |
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| 17:18.13 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: That that CPU of that machine might have been overheating because Turbo was on and I don't remember that the CPU had a fan with it. |
| 17:18.21 | qumran | Can anyone help me with what to write in XFree86-Config-4 in the keyboard section to get a standard PS/2 keyboard to work? |
| 17:18.58 | helix | asuffield: well, if people can imitate you, you lose your "I'm such an individual" thing |
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| 17:19.07 | gary | caphuso: i see |
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| 17:19.20 | asuffield | helix: I do not define myself in terms of other people |
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| 17:19.26 | mirak | what is the term for footing ? |
| 17:19.29 | helix | uh huh |
| 17:19.31 | helix | just stop saying it |
| 17:19.33 | mirak | what means footing ? |
| 17:19.48 | asuffield | mirak: that made no sense at all |
| 17:19.54 | caphuso | gary: oh, and several of the other wirth crimes^H^H^H^H^H^Hlanguages (modula-2, oberon) are also available |
| 17:19.58 | asuffield | helix: don't you have some vegetables to torment? |
| 17:20.11 | mirak | asuffield: so how do you call this when you got out and run |
| 17:20.18 | mirak | running ? |
| 17:20.20 | helix | asuffield: I have _tons_ of them! I went shopping today :) |
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| 17:20.30 | asuffield | helix: well torture them instead, leave me alone |
| 17:20.34 | mirak | I mean run sportively |
| 17:20.44 | gary | caphuso: oh right, thanks! |
| 17:20.44 | helix | why? |
| 17:20.53 | helix | I can do both at the same time |
| 17:20.58 | Walleye | Anyone have a sid source for java2-common? |
| 17:21.19 | mirak | asuffield: I guess it's jogging in fact |
| 17:21.25 | asuffield | helix: because I will somehow connect this to Sturgeon's Law if you don't |
| 17:21.29 | helix | hahahaha |
| 17:21.30 | helix | EVIL |
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| 17:21.38 | asuffield | mirak: that'll do |
| 17:21.55 | asuffield | 'footing' sounds more like something helix would do, the pervert |
| 17:22.04 | helix | what's footing? |
| 17:22.10 | asuffield | I don't wanna know |
| 17:22.11 | helix | is that like playing footy? |
| 17:22.13 | mirak | that's the term in french |
| 17:22.17 | gary | caphuso: man this is scary. I've been looking at jobs on this website. I have an interest in programming, but half tthe things it asks for i can't do :-\ |
| 17:22.21 | mirak | footing=jogging |
| 17:22.22 | gary | caphuso: so much for a degree |
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| 17:22.25 | helix | oh |
| 17:22.36 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: So now, lately, I've been looking into the current, P120 machine and it seems that while the turbo connector might be off (the yellow Turbo light is on, when the button is in, but the MHz indicator on the case doesn't work and the indicator's cable is off the mobo) and a year ago my second sister complained that the machine was suddenly way slower than before (fault of additional sofware perhaps, lik antivirus and firewall). |
| 17:22.43 | mirak | it's funny that it means nothing in enlgish |
| 17:22.44 | asuffield | eh, most everything in french sounds perverted |
| 17:22.55 | asuffield | it's because french people are perverts |
| 17:23.11 | helix | what are you talking about ? french people rule ! |
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| 17:23.24 | ggl_6 | hello, what directory are the man pages located? |
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| 17:23.27 | asuffield | helix: they do not, we whupped their arses |
| 17:23.33 | caphuso | ggl_6: /usr/share/man |
| 17:23.37 | helix | I just needed an excuse to use the ? ! |
| 17:23.38 | ggl_6 | thanks |
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| 17:24.25 | mirak | I have a H20 iRiver and I wonder if I can do a jogging with that |
| 17:24.25 | helix | I even saw on this box "Comments? Commentaires ?" |
| 17:24.27 | ggl_6 | to include a new manpage. I just copy the new man files to that dir. right? |
| 17:24.30 | akshun | what mirrors are available for the iso's |
| 17:24.35 | siward | qumran: Section "InputDevice"/Identifier "kbd"/Driver "keyboard"/ Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"/Option "XkbModel" "pc104"/Option "XkbLayout" "us"/EndSection |
| 17:24.36 | ZEA | how do I start gnome? |
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| 17:24.43 | asuffield | helix: sounds like bloody canadians |
| 17:25.00 | helix | woo, canadians |
| 17:25.11 | gravity | ZEA: Put "gnome-session" in a file named ~/.xsession and then type startx |
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| 17:25.45 | ZEA | gravity: can I do that in .xinitrc? |
| 17:25.51 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: And since then I've been suspecting that the Turbo feature is off, which keeps the CPU from overheating and thus keeps the machine stable (cough). I imagine the pc must be way slower than it seems now... To be sure, I got Debian 3.0 stable for that, which is older and which installs older software with apt-get. |
| 17:26.00 | gravity | ZEA: .xsession is better |
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| 17:26.12 | travisat | why is .xsession better than .xinitrc |
| 17:26.19 | ZEA | good question |
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| 17:26.28 | caphuso | because it's not only used by xinit |
| 17:26.30 | gravity | ZEA: .xsession will be read if you decide to use something like xdm in the future. .xinitrc won't, that only takes effect for startx |
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| 17:26.45 | asuffield | .xinitrc isn't even used by xinit. it's used by startx, which is a SITE-SPECIFIC script |
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| 17:27.02 | travisat | ahhh |
| 17:27.05 | ZEA | gravity: thanks a lot. that's exaclty the reason why I stoped using login managers |
| 17:27.14 | asuffield | Debian's startx happens to be extremely forgiving. most ones aren't |
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| 17:27.30 | gravity | ZEA: If you like, symlinking .xinitrc to .xsession is possible |
| 17:27.32 | gravity | I do this |
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| 17:27.45 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: I got Debian 3.0 stable because it was written in directories that it was stable and I wanted stable even if it was outdated (which I hoped it was not). |
| 17:27.46 | ZEA | :) |
| 17:27.52 | Albacker | is there any debian that has gnome in its CDs except woody ? |
| 17:28.04 | ZEA | well, here goes nothing |
| 17:28.07 | Mardus | MobyTurbo: while you were away, I didn't notice that and so I wrote much into the room that you didn't catch. |
| 17:28.09 | Walleye | Anyone have a sid source to java2-common? |
| 17:28.32 | gravity | Albacker: A sarge pre-release image will have it |
| 17:28.47 | caphuso | Walleye: what the fuck is java2-common and what do you think you need it for? |
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| 17:29.08 | asuffield | caphuso: blackdown, I think |
| 17:29.33 | gravity | Don't Debian java packages depend on java-common? |
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| 17:29.55 | Mardus | Anyways, #debian, thanks for discussion. Imma have to Ceilon tea from a small metallic elephant... |
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| 17:30.01 | Mardus | *discussions |
| 17:30.01 | caphuso | asuffield: hrm, possible |
| 17:30.16 | MM2_ | How I can turn my ext2 filesystems to ext3? |
| 17:30.23 | caphuso | MM2_: read the ext3 faq |
| 17:30.26 | asuffield | caphuso: ah, not blackdown, it's the thing which doesn't work with blackdown |
| 17:30.29 | baz | MM2_: tune2fs |
| 17:30.29 | asuffield | ergo, it's dead |
| 17:30.53 | Albacker | gravity, where can I get it ? |
| 17:30.58 | m4lu5 | which libs might i need on a remote box, a fresh debian install, to get X11 forwarding working w/ssh? |
| 17:31.02 | gravity | Albacker: Google is your friend |
| 17:31.02 | MM2_ | do I have to install 2.4 kernel first? |
| 17:31.17 | helix | MM2_: what kernel are you using..? |
| 17:31.17 | Albacker | well, I thought you were my friend too :P |
| 17:31.21 | Albacker | gravity ^ |
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| 17:31.38 | gravity | Albacker: I also don't know. I've never run sarge or downloaded a pre-release CD, so you're on your own |
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| 17:31.43 | gravity | Albacker: I'm sure you'll manage though |
| 17:31.47 | MM2_ | I just realised that it is ext2 2GB file size limit that screwes my backups :( |
| 17:31.51 | caphuso | m4lu5: those the program you want to run depends on |
| 17:31.59 | caphuso | MM2_: nonsense |
| 17:32.09 | MM2_ | helix: 2.2 stack |
| 17:32.12 | caphuso | ext2 limits are far bigger than 2GiB |
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| 17:32.17 | m4lu5 | caphuso, oh, say xterm. |
| 17:32.20 | helix | erk |
| 17:32.28 | helix | MM2_: any reason you're using a 2.2 kernel? |
| 17:32.33 | caphuso | m4lu5: well, then those xterm depends, which means those an "apt-get install xterm" will install |
| 17:32.41 | MM2_ | helix: it' |
| 17:32.48 | MM2_ | helix: it's stack kerne. :) |
| 17:32.59 | MM2_ | why my backup says then: /mnt/varmuus/www/varmistus_Sun.tar: Wrote only 2047 of 10240 bytes |
| 17:33.10 | helix | um, well, 2.2 is kinda old |
| 17:33.22 | m4lu5 | caphuso, confused me a bit, you did (in yoda voice)... you mean apt-get build-dep xterm, or something else/ |
| 17:33.32 | caphuso | m4lu5: i meant exactly what i said |
| 17:33.35 | baz | MM2_: that's 2K, not 2G |
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| 17:33.57 | MM2_ | but whole tar-package is something like 2GB |
| 17:34.10 | asuffield | that sounds like a short write of a single block |
| 17:34.10 | ggl_6 | doesnt the current stable version use 2.2 as the default kernel? |
| 17:34.14 | MM2_ | or even more |
| 17:34.16 | asuffield | out of disk space probably |
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| 17:34.35 | MM2_ | nope, there is 21GB free space |
| 17:34.39 | m4lu5 | caphuso, can you say what you said in a differnt way? perhaps i'll understand it better. |
| 17:34.44 | helix | ggl_6: it used to, dunno if it still does |
| 17:34.49 | helix | but it's like three years old |
| 17:34.52 | MobyTurbo | ggl_6: stable offers 2.4 also, which most people choose |
| 17:35.10 | ggl_6 | ah i chose the 'vanilla' one, dang... |
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| 17:35.21 | caphuso | m4lu5: what part don't you understand? |
| 17:35.29 | caphuso | m4lu5: that you don't need any special libraries for ssh forwarding? |
| 17:35.40 | MobyTurbo | ggl_6: if your system isn't totally fouled up, just apt-get the 2.4 kernel. |
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| 17:35.53 | caphuso | m4lu5: that, if you install a package, its dependancies get automagically installed too? |
| 17:36.10 | m4lu5 | something screwy is going on here. |
| 17:36.19 | ggl_6 | nah, I just use it as an email server... |
| 17:36.47 | ggl_6 | I'll choose 2.4 next time I make another debian box |
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| 17:37.39 | MobyTurbo | ggl_6: yeah, don't mess with a working system |
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| 17:37.51 | m4lu5 | ssh -X to box A, run xterm, get Cannot Open Display. |
| 17:38.31 | caphuso | m4lu5: "ssh -vvv -X" and look at why it fails |
| 17:38.42 | m4lu5 | hmmm. ok. |
| 17:38.48 | helix | using old kernels is silly |
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| 17:39.30 | m4lu5 | hrrm. |
| 17:39.44 | elirips | hello. can someone give me a hints whats going wrong with my quake2? i installed it from the woody-packages, in software mode it runs fine. but as soon as i change to openglx glx it crashes saying 'Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)'. any ideas? tuxracer and glxgears both run fine. |
| 17:39.51 | MobyTurbo | helix: especially since you often have security problems when you do. |
| 17:40.08 | helix | yeah |
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| 17:40.31 | MobyTurbo | helix: though to be fair, I don't know of any 2.2 exploits |
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| 17:40.47 | helix | ok |
| 17:41.22 | pipeline | elirips: I would upgrade to sarge. |
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| 17:41.23 | m4lu5 | bloody odd. nothing more than -> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: and xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
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| 17:41.39 | pipeline | m4lu5: What's odd about that? |
| 17:41.41 | mwilson | m4lu5: That's not what he asked you, now is it? |
| 17:41.41 | MobyTurbo | sorry about that, darned dial-up lagging. |
| 17:41.50 | pipeline | m4lu5: ssh forwarding is probably disabled on the remote sshd. |
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| 17:42.05 | m4lu5 | pipeline, you hit it on the nose. |
| 17:42.09 | m4lu5 | that's just what i realized |
| 17:42.16 | caphuso | or xauth installed, or he forgot to be in X on the local box, or he used su on his local box, or ... |
| 17:42.21 | elirips | pipeline: i am using sarge. but there are no quake2 packages in sarge, so i took the ones from woody. |
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| 17:43.45 | pipeline | xauth is an abortion |
| 17:43.59 | pipeline | It would have been better to have no security at all than have xauth. |
| 17:44.01 | kobs- | Hello, I just installed Debian Sarge 3.1, and using kernel 2.6.8-1-386, I try to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386, but it's not found |
| 17:44.13 | kobs- | So i can install the nvidia drivers |
| 17:44.14 | mwilson | kobs-: Correct. |
| 17:44.21 | abrotman | kobs-: update to 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:44.28 | kobs- | ok |
| 17:44.30 | abrotman | or whatever is appropriate for your CPU |
| 17:44.53 | pipeline | elirips: It should have been obvious that woody packages won't work well in sarge. Get newer packages. I have quake2 packages for unstable, so surely there are sarge versions. |
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| 17:45.24 | abrotman | pipeline: that's not really a valid assumption |
| 17:45.39 | pipeline | abrotman: It's not? |
| 17:45.48 | pipeline | abrotman: Woody is getting pretty old now. |
| 17:45.49 | abrotman | pipeline: there are things in sid that aren't in woody |
| 17:45.52 | abrotman | err |
| 17:45.52 | MobyTurbo | Tcl/Tk might have been prettier |
| 17:45.54 | abrotman | pipeline: there are things in sid that aren't in sarge |
| 17:46.12 | abrotman | eroaster and tor are two i can think of |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | pipeline: but sarge does have quake2 packages :) |
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| 17:47.08 | pipeline | I wouldn't assume that all sid packages are available for sarge, but Quake2 isn't exactly a moving target :P |
| 17:47.10 | pipeline | . |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:47.47 | Gathond | pipeline: you never know, someone might keep expanding it :) |
| 17:48.10 | pipeline | Gathond: Heh, there's work on that sort of thing, but the unstable packages are plain-jane vanilla quake II binaries. |
| 17:48.39 | abrotman | pipeline: do you by chance have mono installed? |
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| 17:48.54 | elirips | pipeline: thanks.. in packages.debian.org they only got packages for sid and woody.. going to search the net. |
| 17:49.00 | pipeline | abrotman: I have the required dependencies for muine. |
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| 17:49.06 | pipeline | elirips: No, don't do that. |
| 17:49.11 | abrotman | pipeline: what's that? |
| 17:49.23 | pipeline | elirips: You're probably better off attempting to install the unstable packages than searching the net. |
| 17:49.36 | pipeline | abrotman: The only actual application I know of written in mono. |
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| 17:49.47 | abrotman | pipeline: wanna try something for me? :) |
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| 17:49.55 | pipeline | abrotman: It's a very nice music player with a very nasty MP3 library. |
| 17:49.58 | pipeline | abrotman: Uh, sure, I suppose |
| 17:50.05 | abrotman | pipeline: apt-get install f-spot |
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| 17:50.12 | Micro | Hi, how can I keep ssh from closing connection when it idles? |
| 17:50.14 | indes | lol f-spot |
| 17:50.17 | abrotman | pipeline: then try the Edit->Preferences .. mine doesn't come up |
| 17:50.19 | indes | what spot is after that?? |
| 17:50.22 | abrotman | indes: what's wrong with f-spot ? |
| 17:50.25 | dmp_ | Micro: there is a keep alive optoin |
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| 17:50.28 | dmp_ | *ion |
| 17:50.38 | indes | abrotman, its name.. |
| 17:50.41 | dmp_ | ssh itself doesnt close the connection, but you might have a router/firewall that decides to terminate idle cons. |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | indes: oh |
| 17:50.47 | indes | abrotman, it could be incremented to g-spot |
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| 17:50.52 | indes | in which case I could laugh harder. |
| 17:50.58 | pipeline | abrotman: I didn't know fspot was a mono app |
| 17:51.01 | elirips | pipeline: just installing them, now going to test.. |
| 17:51.03 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: I've messed with Blam! before, a mono app |
| 17:51.13 | Micro | dmp_: man ssh; /alive; returns nothing |
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| 17:51.13 | abrotman | pipeline: it is .. quit nice .. but no preferences for me(but i'm running sarge) |
| 17:51.16 | abrotman | err quite |
| 17:51.21 | pipeline | abrotman: That explains the horrible startuptime |
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| 17:51.27 | abrotman | pipeline: heh |
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| 17:51.34 | dmp_ | Micro: Alive |
| 17:51.39 | pipeline | abrotman: hmm, same problem |
| 17:51.39 | Micro | dmp_: heh, well it is running through two routers on either end. |
| 17:51.41 | dmp_ | try a little harder ;0 |
| 17:51.54 | elirips | pipeline: thanks a lot, now it is working fine :) now i just need to get the sound working |
| 17:51.54 | abrotman | pipeline: hmm .. thanks .. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't crazy .. you can remove it now:) |
| 17:51.58 | dmp_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.05 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, I actually use f-spot occasionally. |
| 17:52.14 | pipeline | abrotman: There's a KDE clone that's almost identical, btw |
| 17:52.22 | abrotman | pipeline: i like it .. i was going to write something similar ... |
| 17:52.24 | bouncing | How do you specify the default mail reader in sarge? When I did dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-thunderbird, it didn't seem to give me the option. |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | pipeline: ewww . Qt |
| 17:52.33 | dmp_ | <3 Qt |
| 17:52.41 | helix | what is f-spot? |
| 17:52.44 | pipeline | abrotman: Even started with --debug, nothing happens when I hit preferences. |
| 17:52.44 | helix | some weirdo gnome thing |
| 17:52.47 | indes | lol |
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| 17:53.04 | Micro | dmp_: Thanks. |
| 17:53.04 | pipeline | helix: A really nice photo organizer. There's a pixel-for-pixel KDE clone available if you don't dig "weirdo gnome things" |
| 17:53.19 | indes | on both the qwerty and dvorak boards, the f is located right next to the g too... |
| 17:53.19 | indes | LOL |
| 17:53.20 | helix | I don't dig any of those organizer things |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | helix: like iphoto i guess .. it's pretty good .. |
| 17:53.50 | helix | iphoto is lame |
| 17:53.50 | pipeline | I've never used iphoto, it looked pretty worthless. |
| 17:53.51 | indes | I like to im with gimp. |
| 17:53.51 | chealer | !test |
| 17:53.51 | pipeline | f-spot reads exif data and sorts things by date taken rather than date of file creation |
| 17:53.55 | chealer | dpkg is dead? |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | helix: i only found it when uhm ... that gnome dev died ... it was his project |
| 17:54.09 | MobyTurbo | chealer: yes |
| 17:54.12 | helix | I have stupid pictures scattered all over my harddrive |
| 17:54.17 | Biosvirus | help! Im a total noob on linux, i've downloaded and installed debian. Now it says biosvirus@debian:~$ after I've logged in, can someone tell me what to wright or what to do? |
| 17:54.24 | chealer | doomsday has arrived |
| 17:54.31 | indes | Biosvirus, what do you want to do? |
| 17:54.43 | abrotman | helix: this allows you to tag the pictures .. categorize etc |
| 17:54.45 | helix | change your hostname |
| 17:54.50 | helix | "debian" ugh |
| 17:54.53 | indes | lol |
| 17:54.58 | indes | maybe he likes that hostname |
| 17:55.13 | indes | he can tell it apart from his windows machine |
| 17:55.14 | indes | lol |
| 17:55.15 | tony | igal is a tool for pictures |
| 17:55.21 | asuffield | that's what you get if you're too stupid to enter a hostname in the installer |
| 17:55.22 | helix | please stop loling so much |
| 17:55.36 | asuffield | helix: learn how to organise your files |
| 17:55.44 | asuffield | scatter all your pictures in ~/pictures/ or something |
| 17:55.53 | asuffield | that way you can not find them in an organised manner |
| 17:55.56 | helix | asuffield: well, it's not a matter of organization, more a lack of space and a bad partitioning scheme |
| 17:56.03 | helix | which I really cannot be bothered to fix |
| 17:56.04 | xoz | iphoto made my photo collections disappear |
| 17:56.09 | asuffield | sucker |
| 17:56.12 | helix | yeah |
| 17:56.19 | asuffield | move all the files to a different box and start over :P |
| 17:56.30 | helix | I should, except their drives are even smaller |
| 17:56.40 | helix | theoretically I could just burn all the pics and then start over |
| 17:56.43 | helix | or what have you |
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| 17:56.51 | Biosvirus | help! Im a total noob on linux, i've downloaded and installed debian. Now it says biosvirus@debian:~$ after I've logged in, can someone tell me what to wright or what to do? Isnt debian suppose to look like this: http://new.linux.hr/debian/potato/skrin8x6.jpg |
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| 17:57.04 | Arvind-NL | Hello all. |
| 17:57.14 | helix | I guess we need to teach Biosvirus about installing X |
| 17:57.17 | Arvind-NL | I'm letting syslogd log everything to a $file, but messages that are printed on a tty (invoking startx from there) arn't logged into that $file, does anyone know how to make it log to $file? *.* /var/log/myfood.log |
| 17:57.20 | xoz | best lesson in photography: keep only the best 1% of your pics and trash the rest |
| 17:57.27 | Biosvirus | helix, yes, how do I do? |
| 17:57.37 | chealer | dpkg, when will you PLEASE live again?! |
| 17:57.39 | helix | Biosvirus: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:57.41 | xoz | Biosvirus: man hostname |
| 17:57.55 | helix | Biosvirus: ...as root |
| 17:57.56 | abrotman | Biosvirus: it can look like that |
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| 17:58.05 | helix | Biosvirus: and do not /msg me or anyone else in here |
| 17:58.14 | Biosvirus | sorry |
| 17:58.37 | Biosvirus | I really need help, I've only used Windows before :) |
| 17:58.56 | helix | I just told you what to do |
| 17:59.03 | Biosvirus | where can I get x-windows-system? |
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| 17:59.18 | cao30 | it's x-window-system, I guess |
| 17:59.19 | helix | from the internet. apt-get install will pull from a mirror which holds this package |
| 17:59.22 | Biosvirus | or how do I make that as a root? |
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| 18:00.09 | chealer | Biosvirus: did you install woody? |
| 18:00.10 | Biosvirus | so I wright apt-get |
| 18:00.16 | helix | write. <-!! |
| 18:00.21 | xoz | heh |
| 18:00.25 | Biosvirus | :'( |
| 18:00.26 | jungj | is there any knoppix user? |
| 18:00.31 | helix | jungj: #knoppix |
| 18:00.33 | m4lu5 | apt-get install redstripe-6pack |
| 18:00.37 | jungj | thx |
| 18:00.37 | Biosvirus | ok I'll try |
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| 18:00.58 | MobyTurbo | Biosvirus: use su, enter root password, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:01.19 | Biosvirus | k thx |
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| 18:02.07 | MobyTurbo | Biosvirus: then immediately get a book on Linux such as "Running Linux" so you'll become Unix-literate. |
| 18:02.31 | Biosvirus | thx i will! |
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| 18:02.50 | vs_zach | hey |
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| 18:03.19 | vs_zach | does debian sid have sata support |
| 18:03.19 | tony | Biosvirus, Linux Cookbook is a great read too. |
| 18:03.38 | chealer | MobyTurbo: a linux newbie howto is probably cheaper |
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| 18:03.51 | MobyTurbo | oh yes, Unix Power Tools is terrific. |
| 18:03.57 | Rawplayer | third edition |
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| 18:04.19 | MobyTurbo | I have the second edition, I heard the first, with lots of awk and sed stuff, is the best. |
| 18:04.32 | mwilson | The first is rather dated now. |
| 18:04.32 | astronut_ | god damn i'm getting pissed at X |
| 18:04.37 | astronut_ | appologies for the language |
| 18:04.42 | mwilson | The third has X stuff in it that the second doesn't. |
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| 18:05.20 | elirips | pipeline: do you know by chance also what i need to do that the sound works fine? no i got some sound, but always with a break between. |
| 18:05.20 | Pappa | anyone know the name of that ugly asian guy that always stars in hallmark tv movies? |
| 18:05.22 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: I guess I wound up with the Second System Effect edition. |
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| 18:06.01 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: I shouldn't whine though, Unix Power Tools 2nd ed. is terrific too. |
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| 18:06.29 | xoz | possible that oss conflicts with alsa driver. make sure you have only alsa or oss but not both. |
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| 18:07.03 | pipeline | elirips: I would try to use ALSA instead of OSS |
| 18:07.46 | elirips | pipeline: how can i tell quake to use alsa instead of oss? i am using alsa with winamp and there it works fine. |
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| 18:08.06 | xoz | elirips: use oss emulation of alsa |
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| 18:08.14 | pipeline | elirips: ALSA has OSS emulation, so you won't have to. Just make sure OSS is disabled. Play with the sound settings in quake, eg. buffering. |
| 18:08.35 | xoz | err, alsa emulation of oss |
| 18:08.37 | pipeline | elirips: Also, I strongly suggest you try ETF for Linux, if you're looking for a game that people actually play. ;) |
| 18:08.54 | elirips | pipeline: i am sure oss is disabled, i disabled it in the kernel config. etf? |
| 18:09.33 | pipeline | elirips: Q3F for Enemy Territory. Totally free, no strings attached. |
| 18:09.55 | pipeline | elirips: Well, it's copyrighted and trademarked, but it's free to download and redistribute, IIRC |
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| 18:10.08 | dec-- | hi |
| 18:10.13 | cess-pit | hell, can anybody tell, have i to use additional ./configure options while compiling proftpd on debian to enable anonymous access? |
| 18:10.24 | elirips | pipeline: are there already packages in sarge? |
| 18:10.32 | simonrvn | cess-pit: you don't need to do that |
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| 18:10.45 | pipeline | elirips: No, and I doubt there ever will be packages. |
| 18:10.45 | Gathond | cess-pit: that is a configuration issue |
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| 18:10.51 | pipeline | elirips: It installs to your home directory. |
| 18:10.52 | simonrvn | cess-pit: the DD built it correctly |
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| 18:11.27 | Pappa | jo@jochr:~$ sudo updatedb |
| 18:11.28 | Pappa | /usr/bin/find: error in /etc/mtab: /.dev: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.42 | simonrvn | so fix it... |
| 18:11.42 | Pappa | i checked /etc/mtab too |
| 18:11.54 | Wille88_ | I have same error too |
| 18:11.55 | dripOl | bonsoir |
| 18:12.11 | Wille88_ | I think that udev would be broken |
| 18:12.18 | cess-pit | simonrvn: i run: ftpd -c my_old_configfile and i can't log as anonymous :( |
| 18:12.18 | Pappa | exactly |
| 18:12.23 | abrotman | !udev |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bot |
| 18:12.29 | Pappa | so rebooting now would be a very bad idea |
| 18:12.30 | Wille88_ | I just updated my system |
| 18:12.33 | chealer | dpkg, come baaaaack! |
| 18:12.35 | Wille88_ | indeed |
| 18:12.37 | Mage_ | anyone know if it's possible to boot on a software raid5 ? |
| 18:12.50 | simonrvn | so reportbug udev then instead of whining here |
| 18:13.00 | xoz | cess-pit: check the configuration in /etc |
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| 18:13.11 | abrotman | software raid5 .. there's a bad idea :) |
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| 18:13.18 | elirips | pipeline: okay, i'll have a look at it.. but first going to make the sound work in q2 |
| 18:13.22 | Mage_ | abrotman: why ? |
| 18:13.37 | Pappa | where would i file a bug report, then? |
| 18:13.45 | Schnitz | i have a question about kernel compiling |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | Mage_: sorry .. i'm an opinionated prick |
| 18:13.49 | pipeline | elirips: Another possibility is that your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing, which sucks. |
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| 18:13.53 | Mage_ | it's for personnal use ... I don't have 500$ for hardware raid |
| 18:13.56 | Schnitz | with debians 2.6.8 kernel framebuffer works fine |
| 18:14.08 | pipeline | elirips: Can you have two programs using sound at the same time? If not, you'll have to google for dmix :( |
| 18:14.10 | cess-pit | xoz: i use my old configuration file which worked ok with proftpd installed from deb package |
| 18:14.10 | Pappa | nvm |
| 18:14.10 | Schnitz | i installed the kernel_mppe patch via apt-get |
| 18:14.13 | abrotman | Mage_: but you have money for 3 drives? |
| 18:14.16 | Schnitz | and recompiled using make oldconfig |
| 18:14.19 | mwilson | The question is, why in the world would you want to use framebuffer? |
| 18:14.20 | Mage_ | abrotman: I've my /home under raid5 soft .. and it works perfectly |
| 18:14.22 | Schnitz | now framebuffer doesn't work anymore |
| 18:14.33 | pipeline | Schnitz: So what? Why would you need framebuffer. |
| 18:14.37 | Mage_ | abrotman: yes, 3 drives cost around 200$ |
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| 18:14.46 | Schnitz | i have a laptop with 1024x768 native display |
| 18:14.47 | pipeline | abrotman: Software RAID5 performs pretty well for me. I'm very happy with it. |
| 18:14.53 | Schnitz | so the console is very small without framebuffer |
| 18:14.54 | paddy | hi |
| 18:14.55 | elirips | pipeline: i never made it work that xmms and gaim both sound together. if xmms is playing all other stuff gets blocked. |
| 18:15.01 | Mage_ | yes it works perfectly |
| 18:15.05 | pipeline | Schnitz: Use VESA modes -- pass vga=771 on the kernel arguments. |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | pipeline: i guess i'm a hardware raid bigot |
| 18:15.22 | Schnitz | i'm passing vga=0x317 |
| 18:15.24 | Mage_ | but I wondered if it's possible to boot on a software raid5 |
| 18:15.32 | elirips | pipeline: the soundchip is onboard, a 'Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)' |
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| 18:15.38 | pipeline | abrotman: A hardware RAID card capable of doing what I'm doing right now would have cost more than everything else in my system combined. |
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| 18:15.57 | chealer | should video=vesafb:off and blacklisting vesafb get rid of Sarge's framebuffer with kernel-image-2.6.8? |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | pipeline: i feel it's worth it .. but whatever |
| 18:16.04 | pipeline | abrotman: I love 3ware as much as the next guy, but fuck spending $500 to drive 300$ worth of hard disks. |
| 18:16.27 | abrotman | pipeline: they aren't $500 |
| 18:16.27 | Schnitz | pipeline, 0x317 is the right way using grub i thought |
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| 18:16.35 | Schnitz | and it worked with the debian kernel |
| 18:16.36 | pipeline | elirips: Yeah, no hardware mixing. I suggest you set up dmix with /etc/asound.conf |
| 18:16.42 | Mage_ | a good hardware raid is 500$ .. |
| 18:16.44 | pipeline | Schnitz: You need to specify the value in octal, not hex |
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| 18:16.58 | abrotman | Mage_: define good .. a 2410SA is about $300 |
| 18:17.06 | pipeline | abrotman: A 3ware card to handle eight drives is roughly $500. I'm doing it in software right now with roughly 10% CPU usage. It's an acceptable tradeoff. |
| 18:17.07 | abrotman | Mage_: it is sata .. and 4 port |
| 18:17.13 | elirips | pipeline: okay, going to read about it. thanks for your help! |
| 18:17.15 | pipeline | 4-port? laughable. |
| 18:17.20 | Mage_ | at work we use 3ware |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | pipeline: raid5 works with 3 drives :) |
| 18:17.38 | Schnitz | pipeline, ok...but it worked with the debian kernel..that's why i'm wondering |
| 18:17.45 | Schnitz | there i also used vga=0x317 |
| 18:17.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Yeah, but I'm price sensitive. I'd rather have 8 160's than blow a wad on 3 400's. |
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| 18:18.14 | Schnitz | just tried it again...then vesafb is loading |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | pipeline: cheaper to replace .. but still .. it's possible |
| 18:18.36 | Mage_ | so, is it possible to boot on a software raid5 ? :) |
| 18:18.38 | MobyTurbo | the I in RAID does stand for "inexpensive" |
| 18:18.38 | Schnitz | pipeline, could it be that it's because i changed my cpu setting in the kernel config from 386 to pentium 4? |
| 18:18.52 | abrotman | !prize MobyTurbo |
| 18:18.56 | pipeline | abrotman: But it still costs me fuckloads. Also, get substantially better performance from 8 8mb cache 160's than 4 16m 300's |
| 18:18.58 | abrotman | bah .. fucking dpkg is so dead |
| 18:19.05 | pipeline | Mage_: No. |
| 18:19.12 | pipeline | Mage_: Most people have a separate RAID-1 boot partition |
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| 18:19.26 | pipeline | Mage_: i.e. have 5 drives in a RAID-5 array, and have one 5-partition RAID-1 with a 100M /boot |
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| 18:19.40 | abrotman | pipeline: i still would rather have hardware .. and i'd spend the money for it if i wanted it at home |
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| 18:19.45 | Mage_ | ok thanks |
| 18:19.46 | adamb1000 | hello |
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| 18:19.50 | abrotman | pipeline: but that's just me i guess |
| 18:19.52 | _kaz | ANyone one use memtest86/+ alot? In this motherboard with 2 dimm slots, if I put two of these suspect dimms in, I will get an error in < 10 mins. If I run them individually, it can run for hours without an error in either. Any suggestions? |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | don't use them together |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:20.09 | pipeline | abrotman: I'd rather have hardware, too, but the $300-500 gap in price is totally and completely unacceptable. |
| 18:20.11 | adamb1000 | Whats the command to edit the Xconfig? |
| 18:20.20 | pipeline | _kaz: Buy a better motherboard. |
| 18:20.21 | Schnitz | pipeline, could it be that it's because i changed my cpu setting in the kernel config from 386 to pentium 4? |
| 18:20.25 | gravity | adamb1000: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:20.26 | pipeline | adamb1000: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:20.27 | _kaz | they are the same chips though |
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| 18:20.32 | abrotman | pipeline: except you have it .. it's an investment .. to me anyways |
| 18:20.33 | Mage_ | I mean hardware raid is useless if you don't have performance issues |
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| 18:20.41 | _kaz | and I've tried them in different motherboards with the same results |
| 18:20.44 | pipeline | adamb1000: If you edited the config by hand, you can wipe it out with "dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 18:21.03 | abrotman | Mage_: debateable |
| 18:21.05 | pipeline | Mage_: Eh, I couldn't have a 660G /home on a single drive. Also, it's comforting to know that I can lose a drive suddenly without massive data loss. |
| 18:21.14 | xoz | _kaz: possible conflict in timing. are they the same model/brand? |
| 18:21.20 | _kaz | xoz: yes |
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| 18:21.29 | pipeline | Schnitz: Don't compile your own kernel. Just don't. |
| 18:21.47 | pipeline | Schnitz: It's far more trouble than it's worth. I haven't done it in about a year now, and I'd die happy if I never had to do it again. |
| 18:21.57 | pipeline | Schnitz: I know it feels cool to dig around in the guts of the OS. That doesn't make it a good idea. |
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| 18:22.16 | abrotman | and based on the latest statements by the kernel devs . it's gonna be hard to figure out which releases are stable :) |
| 18:22.45 | adamb1000 | Thanks |
| 18:22.50 | pipeline | Yeah, but that was always true. Linux 2.4 was a running joke in the FreeBSD and Solaris communities. |
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| 18:23.04 | xoz | it seems nobody wants to start a really new dev kernel tree. |
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| 18:23.09 | Schnitz | pipeline, but i need that ppp_mppe module...or i'll have no vpn and i need vpn |
| 18:23.16 | pipeline | "Hey, this box is running Solaris 2.2. At least it's not linux 2.4, am i rite?" |
| 18:23.23 | pipeline | Schnitz: Oh christ, that's a hellish experience. |
| 18:23.23 | adamb1000 | I think there is like a sound config program I can get via apt-get. Anyone know what it's called? I can't get sound on here |
| 18:23.36 | pipeline | Schnitz: Use a debian patched tree and a debian config file (from /boot) -- that'll at least help a lot. |
| 18:23.42 | jepel_tailweaver | adamb1000, try typing alsaconf |
| 18:23.47 | Mage_ | abrotman: aumix |
| 18:23.54 | abrotman | Mage_: what about iut ? |
| 18:23.57 | pipeline | adamb1000: alsa-utils, alsa-base are relevant packages |
| 18:23.59 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, out of curiosity, what's so bad about compiling your own kernel? |
| 18:24.05 | Schnitz | pipeline, i just used the debian config file...did the ppp_mppe patch and now there's no frambefufer but i didn't change any framebuffer stuff |
| 18:24.07 | abrotman | jepel_tailweaver: most people do it wrong |
| 18:24.12 | Mage_ | iut ? |
| 18:24.19 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: It's a bad idea. It's easy to screw up. You'll spam the channel with stupid questions. There's no possible benefit. None whatsoever. |
| 18:24.20 | Schnitz | i compiled my own kernel on my gentoo desktop without any problem |
| 18:24.37 | pipeline | Schnitz: That's nice. We don't care :) |
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| 18:24.51 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, One possible benefit: You don't have to load modules for every random thing you need - it's just there |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | Mage_: it |
| 18:25.02 | pipeline | Schnitz: At any rate, copy a known-working config from a stock kernel and "make oldconfig" |
| 18:25.03 | adamb1000 | Thanx |
| 18:25.11 | abrotman | jepel_tailweaver: if you do it right .. |
| 18:25.18 | Mage_ | about what ? :) |
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| 18:25.21 | MobyTurbo | Schnitz: with the mention of "gentoo" in a thread about practicality you've proven our point |
| 18:25.26 | Schnitz | pipeline, just what i did...i copied a working config...added the patch and did oldconfig |
| 18:25.32 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: Yeah, fuck that noise. Most people don't know insmod from their asshole. Build absolutely everything as a module, package a good initrd, include hotplug. |
| 18:25.37 | jepel_tailweaver | abrotman, I've done it with varying degrees of rightness |
| 18:25.37 | abrotman | !tell Schnitz about kp |
| 18:25.41 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | @tell Schnitz about kp |
| 18:25.53 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, why exactly is building everything as a module good? |
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| 18:25.57 | Mage_ | dpkg is sleeping |
| 18:25.59 | abrotman | jepel_tailweaver: exactly |
| 18:26.03 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: Because it means you don't have to futz around with compiling a kernel. |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | Mage_: he's dead |
| 18:26.09 | Mage_ | ow :( |
| 18:26.31 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, I mean, if you're willing to compile your own kernel, what's so good about doing everything as a module? |
| 18:26.44 | MobyTurbo | kicked the bucket 'e has |
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| 18:26.55 | abrotman | jepel_tailweaver: modularity? |
| 18:27.01 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: It doesn't matter then, does it? I find it convenient because it means I'm hardware independent, but beyond that... |
| 18:27.02 | Schnitz | abrotman, http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian-build.phtml <- i followed that how to |
| 18:27.12 | jp | Hi. I don't have sendmail, but I still receive mails From: Cron Daemon <root@debian>, Subjet: Cron <smmsp@debian> test -x /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp. Message: /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 812: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory. And in several times. How can I stop that please? |
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| 18:27.15 | snk00sj- | hi i am trying to install the nvidia drivers on my debian box, but the installer tells me i have to configure my kernel sources matching my kernel (installed on system) |
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| 18:27.17 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, abrotman, true |
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| 18:27.20 | pipeline | jepel_tailweaver: However, I don't think anyone should ever have to compile a kernel. I think we're already at that point. I don't compile kernels and I'm proud of it, by god. |
| 18:27.23 | snk00sj- | can anyone tell me, or help me howto do that ? |
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| 18:27.38 | xoz | jp: disable in the cron config |
| 18:27.38 | jepel_tailweaver | pipeline, I agree, having to compile your kernel is for those with too much free time or special needs |
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| 18:27.49 | Schnitz | pipeline, if there's no binary module ppp_mppe then you have to compile it yourself....don't you think so? |
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| 18:27.58 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | Schnitz: seems reasonable |
| 18:28.08 | nagual | why, compiling the kernel takes 5 mins effektive time |
| 18:28.08 | Schnitz | abrotman, you mean the how to? |
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| 18:28.13 | abrotman | Schnitz: yeah |
| 18:28.13 | pipeline | Schnitz: Yes, but the mppe patchset/module is unpleasant in general. |
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| 18:28.17 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: note the back-tics |
| 18:28.22 | Biosvirus | Hi! Im back :(. I've installed x-windows-system, and when I type startx the screen goes black and returns a fex ses later, with the message : "Fatal error 10 (connection reset by peer) on X server |
| 18:28.23 | Rickyx | How many read/write heads does a IDE disk have? |
| 18:28.31 | abrotman | Schnitz: though .. they should install build-essential instead of gcc/etc |
| 18:28.35 | Mage_ | Rickyx: depends. |
| 18:28.36 | Remmy | Rickyx: Depends |
| 18:28.43 | Schnitz | pipeline, better than no vpn.... |
| 18:28.48 | pipeline | Rickyx: two per platter, usualy |
| 18:28.51 | jp | I didn't think of that, I'll try. cron config is in /etc I suppose? |
| 18:28.51 | Rickyx | what is case of a 30GB disk |
| 18:28.54 | snk00sj- | MobyTurbo so i am missing the kernel headers thats all ? |
| 18:28.59 | pipeline | Rickyx: Depends |
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| 18:29.07 | atbash | if you wanna use the nvidia drivers, don't you have to recompile your kernel? |
| 18:29.10 | Biosvirus | anyone now my problem? |
| 18:29.15 | Rickyx | okay i'll come to the main reason. |
| 18:29.18 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: either the headers or the entire source will do |
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| 18:29.22 | Biosvirus | know* |
| 18:29.26 | Remmy | Biosvirus: You have a virus in your bios? |
| 18:29.30 | snk00sj- | i already downloaded the full source |
| 18:29.31 | Rickyx | will having two swap partitions be better than one |
| 18:29.37 | abrotman | Biosvirus: check the logs |
| 18:29.38 | Biosvirus | plz, Im serious |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | !plz |
| 18:29.48 | Biosvirus | how ? |
| 18:29.51 | snk00sj- | when i run the nvidia installed with -with-kernel-source='path to source' |
| 18:29.51 | abrotman | /var/log |
| 18:29.56 | Biosvirus | k |
| 18:29.58 | Biosvirus | brb |
| 18:30.02 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: it's the source for the kernel you're running? |
| 18:30.08 | Schnitz | but maybe i can build the ppp_mppe module against my running kernel without using the debian tools |
| 18:30.09 | snk00sj- | it gives me a msg i should configure the kernel sources matching the installed kernel |
| 18:30.12 | snk00sj- | yes |
| 18:30.25 | snk00sj- | 2.6.10 |
| 18:30.29 | xoz | jp: the error message is returned by cron... check /etc/cron.d/ or cron.daily/weekly... about sendmail file |
| 18:30.37 | snk00sj- | uname -a sais : 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 18:30.47 | Biosvirus | abrotman, what shall I write to check the log ? |
| 18:30.50 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: check to see if /usr/src/linux is pointing at your sources. |
| 18:30.51 | roo9 | i recently had to preform a full system reinstall, and now my SBP-2 compatible devices have stopped working, i believe i have all the required modules inserted (sg,sbp2,ieee1394) however nothing happens (dmesg,/var/log/messages) when I connect/power cycle the device additionally, rescan-scsi-bus.sh does not see the device. |
| 18:31.02 | Rickyx | I have a swap partition of 512mb as /dev/hda5 then I have /home(/dev/hda6) of 12GB then another swap of 1.5GB as /dev/hda7 |
| 18:31.08 | abrotman | Biosvirus: look in the log for X in /var/log |
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| 18:31.12 | jp | thanks, I've found, it's perfect |
| 18:31.16 | snk00sj- | MobyTurbo i don't understand |
| 18:31.27 | Biosvirus | but Im a noob :P How do I wright to check it? |
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| 18:31.28 | Rickyx | will it be a bottleneck for the disk read/write head to read/write to two swaps ? |
| 18:31.40 | Rickyx | should I merge the two to one ? which is optimal? |
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| 18:31.44 | Biosvirus | what* |
| 18:31.52 | abrotman | Biosvirus: cat XFree86.0.log | less |
| 18:31.54 | Biosvirus | I mean, what do I wright to check it |
| 18:31.59 | Biosvirus | k |
| 18:32.03 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: /usr/src/linux is a symlink that should point to your current kernel sources. (well, actually it should point to glibc's, but nobody including nvidia does that) |
| 18:32.15 | roo9 | rickyx: if they are both on the same physical disk, it won't be any faster having 2 partitions, if they are on physically distinct disks then it can improve preformance |
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| 18:32.30 | snk00sj- | but i am giving the path with the nvidia installer |
| 18:32.31 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: ls -ld /usr/src/linux |
| 18:32.41 | snk00sj- | --kernel-source)path |
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| 18:32.55 | Rickyx | roo9: so i should merge the two to one because i have only one physical disk ?? |
| 18:32.58 | Biosvirus | abrotman, the file doesnt exist it says |
| 18:33.05 | snk00sj- | no such file or dir |
| 18:33.09 | roo9 | rickyx: it won't be any better/worse |
| 18:33.12 | abrotman | Biosvirus: what does startx say when it crashes? |
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| 18:33.40 | MobyTurbo | snk00sj-: get /usr/src/linux "right" and you won't need that. |
| 18:33.43 | snk00sj- | but the thing is the nvidia.run file has argument --kernel-source-path, so it should be able to find it |
| 18:33.46 | snk00sj- | oké i'll try |
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| 18:33.55 | Biosvirus | "Fatal 1O error (connection reset by peer) on X server... " |
| 18:34.04 | Rickyx | roo9: why? still it would act fast because it wouldn't have to travel across the 12GB size of the /home/ partition to write to the other swap partition. Won't it ?? |
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| 18:34.19 | abrotman | that would be IO .. not 1O |
| 18:34.24 | abrotman | anyways .. |
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| 18:34.29 | abrotman | Biosvirus: that's not a real error ... |
| 18:34.39 | Biosvirus | ok, but how do I fix it? |
| 18:34.46 | Biosvirus | so X starts |
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| 18:35.18 | abrotman | Rickyx: you're assuming that it goes back and forth .. and that the heads aren't near the swap anyways |
| 18:35.28 | abrotman | Biosvirus: we need an error first |
| 18:35.41 | abrotman | Biosvirus: is this sarge or woody? .. and which desktop did you install? |
| 18:35.42 | Rickyx | abrotman: yes. that is my understanding. I might be wrong. Am I ? |
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| 18:36.38 | _zardozl | can anyone help me update the kernel ? /pm |
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| 18:37.07 | abrotman | _zardozl: in channel perhaps |
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| 18:37.25 | kobs- | Is anyone else having connectivity issues with pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org? |
| 18:37.25 | Biosvirus | it says: Fatal IO error (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known proceed) with = events remaining " thats my error! |
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| 18:37.42 | abrotman | Biosvirus: i've never seen such an error |
| 18:37.48 | Biosvirus | ok :( |
| 18:37.51 | abrotman | kobs-: alioth is always slow |
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| 18:37.56 | abrotman | Biosvirus: sarge or woody? |
| 18:37.58 | Rickyx | abrotman: any suggestions ?? |
| 18:37.59 | abrotman | and which desktop ? |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | Rickyx: for what? |
| 18:38.01 | _zardozl | yeh have never updatet the kernel befor |
| 18:38.14 | abrotman | _zardozl: uname -r |
| 18:38.18 | Rickyx | abrotman: about my understanding of the read/write heads. |
| 18:38.34 | Biosvirus | now I see it! It says: " Fatal server error: No screens found" |
| 18:38.42 | abrotman | Rickyx: if it's on a single drive .. i'd use one . but that's just me |
| 18:38.45 | _zardozl | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 18:38.54 | abrotman | _zardozl: and what's wrong with that? |
| 18:39.00 | MobyTurbo | Biosvirus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:39.03 | Schnitz | i found out that there's no vesafb.ko in /lib/modules/$KERNEL/initrd/ when i compile the kernel myself |
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| 18:39.08 | Biosvirus | k |
| 18:39.13 | Schnitz | does anyone know how to change this behaviour? |
| 18:39.15 | _zardozl | someone told me to update it dont know :/ |
| 18:39.19 | Rickyx | abrotman: that's okay. I just was willing to know if having two would degrade the performance |
| 18:39.34 | Rickyx | abrotman: because I am having two already. |
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| 18:39.37 | Schnitz | the kernel that ships with debian has that vesafb.ko in the initrd subdir |
| 18:39.55 | tony | Biosvirus, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you should know you monitor horizonal/vertical sync and video card brand/memory |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | Rickyx: i don't think so ... it's a hard thing to time .. and modern drives are so fast |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | ~tell me about root |
| 18:40.30 | Rickyx | abrotman: okay! I'll try digging more information about me. thanks for the help |
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| 18:40.32 | Biosvirus | ok, I'll try reconfigure it |
| 18:40.36 | Rickyx | me = it. |
| 18:40.42 | _zardozl | so my kernel is uptodate ? |
| 18:40.44 | Rickyx | ;-) |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | _zardozl: unless you need a newer one for some reason .. like a 2.6 kernel |
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| 18:42.18 | sophacles | hi all. really odd problem here. when i use at from an aterm as a user, the command i pass doesnt work, and syslog gets an error saying the file is in the wrong format. the exact same command run as su root in the same terminal works fine. is this a bug or am i being an idiot in some way? |
| 18:42.32 | _zardozl | is it hard to install the update the kernel ? |
| 18:42.33 | astronut | abrotman: why does your name sound familiar? |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | astronut: my real name? |
| 18:42.43 | astronut | abrotman: you've helped me w/ a lot of stuff before |
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| 18:42.46 | helix | because it kinda rhymes with astronautman! |
| 18:42.51 | abrotman | astronut: possibly |
| 18:42.51 | astronut | abrotman: no, you as an IRC person on freenode |
| 18:42.54 | astronut | java and here right? |
| 18:42.56 | _zardozl | to 2.6 ? |
| 18:42.58 | astronut | no, just here... |
| 18:43.02 | abrotman | _zardozl: nope ... it's pretty easy |
| 18:43.10 | astronut | think you also mocked me at several points |
| 18:43.16 | abrotman | astronut: maybe you helped me in another channel? |
| 18:43.21 | astronut | abrotman: who knows |
| 18:43.23 | Biosvirus | I tried configure it, now its just a gray screen with a little cross in the mittle |
| 18:43.24 | astronut | i know you've helped me in here |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | astronut: i would never mock anyone! |
| 18:43.28 | _zardozl | ok anyone got some time to help ? :) |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | shit .. i think i just mocked him :) |
| 18:43.36 | astronut | :-P |
| 18:43.39 | jjoseph | sophacles, Maybe it has to do with your path, enter the full path to the command you are executing may work. |
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| 18:43.46 | abrotman | _zardozl: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 ... pick the one for your CPU type .. and install it |
| 18:43.46 | astronut | what time do the mirrors update? |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | !katie |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:43.56 | abrotman | ~katie |
| 18:43.57 | apt | katie is, like, who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. |
| 18:44.04 | Biosvirus | this OS is killing me :( |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | astronut: but each mirror updates on thier own |
| 18:44.15 | xam | ~bahstats xam |
| 18:44.15 | apt | xam has said bah 0 times (0.0 %) |
| 18:44.20 | xoz | Biosvirus: edit .xsession and enable a window manager before startx |
| 18:44.22 | abrotman | Biosvirus: which version of debian do you have? |
| 18:44.26 | MobyTurbo | Biosvirus: you need to install a window manager |
| 18:44.27 | astronut | abrotman: the ftp.us.debian.org ones |
| 18:44.33 | xam | hehe, apt is very forgetful |
| 18:44.35 | abrotman | astronut: i'd say about that time above |
| 18:44.36 | helix | just tell him to install gdm or something |
| 18:44.49 | Biosvirus | ok thx I'll try |
| 18:44.49 | abrotman | helix: i was getting there :) |
| 18:44.51 | astronut | ah |
| 18:44.56 | astronut | didn't see that line by apt |
| 18:45.00 | astronut | 1952 UTC? |
| 18:45.02 | astronut | hmm |
| 18:45.05 | _zardozl | omg and how shall i know what i should have abrotman |
| 18:45.05 | helix | "edit .xsession" is not really helpful to someone installing linux for the first time |
| 18:45.05 | abrotman | ~time |
| 18:45.07 | apt | somebody said time was 1 dimensional, or everlasting |
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| 18:45.10 | sophacles | jjoseph, that doesn't fix it. |
| 18:45.11 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:45.14 | astronut | us eastern coast is utc -5 or -6? |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | ~date |
| 18:45.16 | apt | Sun Mar 20 18:45:16 2005 |
| 18:45.18 | Biosvirus | shall I wright edit .xsession ? |
| 18:45.19 | helix | abrotman: -5 |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | astronut: compare to that |
| 18:45.29 | helix | Biosvirus: no, install gdm |
| 18:45.33 | astronut | abrotman: ah.. |
| 18:45.33 | Biosvirus | uhu? |
| 18:45.34 | atbash | biosvirus: apt-get install gdm |
| 18:45.36 | astronut | it's 1345 here |
| 18:45.38 | Biosvirus | aha |
| 18:45.41 | Biosvirus | thx |
| 18:45.42 | abrotman | astronut: yes it is |
| 18:45.43 | helix | Biosvirus: and stop saying "wright" |
| 18:45.49 | Biosvirus | ok |
| 18:45.50 | xoz | Biosvirus: unless you want startx since it uses .xsession |
| 18:45.56 | abrotman | Biosvirus: which desktop did you want to use? |
| 18:45.58 | Pappa | even worse, ed |
| 18:46.04 | astronut | so another hour |
| 18:46.05 | Biosvirus | desktop ? |
| 18:46.08 | Biosvirus | just one :P |
| 18:46.12 | helix | xoz: if you tell him to edit .xsession, you'll have to teach him to use a text editor |
| 18:46.12 | astronut | 2:52 pm east coast |
| 18:46.13 | astronut | thanks |
| 18:46.14 | Biosvirus | anyone that works |
| 18:46.18 | astronut | ~apt |
| 18:46.19 | apt | somebody said apt was the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | yes .. but like kde/gnome/blackbox/xfce etc |
| 18:46.30 | Biosvirus | brb |
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| 18:46.31 | astronut | ~bot |
| 18:46.32 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:46.32 | jjoseph | sophacles, See if you still have a problem when run as su -p instead of just su. Then you'll know it's an environement issue. |
| 18:46.32 | helix | Biosvirus: install 'gnome' |
| 18:46.36 | Phated | Think he doesn't know about thos, abrotman. |
| 18:46.37 | astronut | !karma astronut |
| 18:46.38 | Biosvirus | dude |
| 18:46.42 | xoz | helix: ah |
| 18:46.44 | abrotman | Phated: you think? |
| 18:46.47 | Phated | abrotman: I do. |
| 18:46.51 | astronut | where's dpkg? |
| 18:46.53 | Biosvirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.54 | astronut | doesn't he do !karma? |
| 18:46.58 | astronut | ~karma astronut |
| 18:46.58 | apt | astronut has neutral karma |
| 18:46.58 | helix | Biosvirus: yes |
| 18:46.59 | abrotman | Biosvirus: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 18:46.59 | Biosvirus | I'll try that, right? |
| 18:47.02 | helix | leave the bots alone |
| 18:47.04 | helix | Biosvirus: yes |
| 18:47.09 | astronut | hmpph..thought someone gave me a karma++ |
| 18:47.09 | Biosvirus | ok thx |
| 18:47.15 | abrotman | astronut: different bot |
| 18:47.18 | Phated | Not on apt, apparently. |
| 18:47.19 | astronut | ah |
| 18:47.29 | astronut | ~abrotman++ |
| 18:47.35 | astronut | or is that not the syntax? |
| 18:47.46 | abrotman | no . that's right . but i'm not sure apt keeps track of karma |
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| 18:47.54 | astronut | <apt> astronut has neutral karma |
| 18:48.06 | helix | jesus, leave the bots alone |
| 18:48.09 | astronut | or do you have to be a privliged user to give it |
| 18:48.10 | astronut | ok |
| 18:48.11 | helix | you're like crackheads |
| 18:48.14 | astronut | sure thing helix |
| 18:48.19 | astronut | crackhead? meh... |
| 18:48.25 | astronut | "give..me...karma..." |
| 18:48.39 | astronut | "sweet sweet karma...my precciioouussss" |
| 18:48.39 | tony | whenyou do a apt-get install kernel-image* isnt it a good idea to run apt-get install kernel-headers* also? |
| 18:48.41 | Biosvirus | something odd just happend, I Login window appeard in the mittle of the screen, and then the screen went grey with the cross again :( |
| 18:48.45 | astronut | tony: ya |
| 18:48.53 | astronut | tony: espically if you plan to compile any software |
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| 18:49.03 | tony | astronut, thanks |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | i wish dpkg were here to sing sunday |
| 18:49.17 | sophacles | jjoseph, su -p running of the command works just fine. |
| 18:49.20 | astronut | what's with him? |
| 18:49.25 | Phated | abrotman: What, you don't have it memorised? |
| 18:49.31 | astronut | what song is this? |
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| 18:49.55 | helix | it's an emo song |
| 18:49.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:50.02 | _zardozl | my sound card worked before i installed alsa and now its not working anymore tryed to uninstall alsa and set default but its not working can anyone help me ? |
| 18:50.07 | Phated | "o/~ Every day is Sunday, every day the fucktards come out to play... o/~" |
| 18:50.12 | abrotman | ~sing sunday |
| 18:50.13 | apt | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 18:50.19 | Phated | Close enough. |
| 18:50.19 | MobyTurbo | helix: Brian Emo? |
| 18:50.22 | tony | Biosvirus, did u apt-get install gdm? |
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| 18:50.26 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:50.27 | helix | the sad part about the sunday song is that I heard the one it was based on *after* the irc version |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | gah |
| 18:50.37 | helix | MobyTurbo: no, the smiths |
| 18:50.41 | atbash | _zardozl: did you run alsaconf? |
| 18:50.52 | helix | abrotman: you're way too dependent on the bot |
| 18:51.04 | jjoseph | sophacles, That's just what it was for me once. So we can rule that out. If you just run the command from the prompt does it work? |
| 18:51.12 | _zardozl | yes |
| 18:51.25 | tarzeau | dan2: is this dan you? http://www.bash.org/?472858 |
| 18:51.27 | abrotman | helix: i'm just used to him being here ... and i don't know what apt/ravenbird know |
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| 18:51.44 | _zardozl | atbash, yes |
| 18:51.45 | Phated | helix: dpkg was a dear friend. |
| 18:51.48 | helix | I think you just lack character |
| 18:51.54 | sophacles | jjoseph yes |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | helix: me? |
| 18:52.12 | atbash | _zardozl: unmuted your volumes? (alsamixer) |
| 18:52.13 | xoz | abrotman: you have a bot syndrome |
| 18:52.16 | helix | yes |
| 18:52.21 | abrotman | lots of things i lack .. character isn't one of them ;) |
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| 18:52.33 | helix | well, you clearly lack substance |
| 18:52.38 | helix | if you rely on a bot to speak for you |
| 18:52.41 | _zardozl | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:52.42 | abrotman | i'm only 150lbs |
| 18:52.49 | astronut | speak boy! speak! |
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| 18:53.01 | astronut | abrotman: thats light |
| 18:53.07 | helix | he's short |
| 18:53.10 | abrotman | that's what i said .. i lack substance |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | i wouldn't say short .. but 5'8 isn't exactly tall |
| 18:53.24 | atbash | _zardozi: did alsaconf find your soundcard? |
| 18:53.27 | helix | no, it's short |
| 18:53.32 | _zardozl | No it dident |
| 18:53.39 | astronut | i'm a kid and i weight more than that |
| 18:53.41 | abrotman | helix: we can't all be amazonian like you :) |
| 18:53.45 | helix | it's true |
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| 18:54.18 | xoz | does *size* matter? :) |
| 18:54.22 | zardoz_ | atbash, so what shall i do ? got sb live! |
| 18:54.25 | abrotman | apparently to helix |
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| 18:54.46 | helix | I merely stated a fact |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:54.50 | helix | 5'8" is short |
| 18:54.50 | atbash | zardoz_: sb live integrated or stand alone? |
| 18:54.59 | abrotman | it's not short ... i think short is like 5'4 |
| 18:55.06 | helix | abrotman: it's below average |
| 18:55.08 | zardoz_ | stand alone |
| 18:55.08 | asuffield | helix is too damn tall |
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| 18:55.14 | abrotman | helix: you're giving me a complex :) |
| 18:55.15 | helix | I rule all that I see |
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| 18:55.20 | helix | abrotman: short men already have complexes |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | saax_: dont' fucking do that |
| 18:55.23 | helix | well, tall ones do too |
| 18:55.29 | xoz | size envy |
| 18:55.31 | helix | what did saax_ do? |
| 18:55.42 | asuffield | and yes, size matters |
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| 18:55.48 | abrotman | helix: i really don't have a complex about my height/size/weight .. i can't change it .. so why bother fussing |
| 18:55.52 | atbash | zardoz_: modprobe snd_emu10k1 |
| 18:55.54 | abrotman | helix: ctcp ping ... scripted |
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| 18:55.59 | helix | oh, tsk |
| 18:56.00 | ventonegro | hi guys |
| 18:56.05 | abrotman | --- Received a CTCP PING 1111344918 from saax_ |
| 18:56.05 | abrotman | -saax_- Your Ping Reply Time is: 0 sec(s). Your Ping Time Rating is: Excellent. WWE Script XP v3.0 |
| 18:56.05 | helix | ~spank saax_ |
| 18:56.07 | apt | ACTION bends saax_ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on saax_'s pasty white buttocks. |
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| 18:56.14 | zardoz_ | modprobe: Can't locate module snd_emu10k1 |
| 18:56.15 | sophacles | jjoseph, any other ideas? |
| 18:56.17 | Phated | You -can- change you weight. :) |
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| 18:56.32 | ventonegro | can anyone help me to create a boot image for an usb pen drive? |
| 18:56.43 | abrotman | Phated: oh .. i guess i could .. if i sat on irc all day ... wait . no .. that doesn't do it :) |
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| 18:56.43 | asuffield | Phated: that depends |
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| 18:56.49 | jjoseph | sophacles, Sorry, no. |
| 18:57.06 | sophacles | jjoseph, ok. thanks for trying! |
| 18:57.14 | astronut__ | note to self |
| 18:57.16 | astronut__ | unplug cordless phone |
| 18:57.31 | helix | that's a confusing not |
| 18:57.32 | helix | e |
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| 18:57.44 | Phated | asuffield: On? |
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| 18:58.03 | Phated | abrotman: Sure you can. Just, you know, stop eating entirely or something and sit on IRC for about a month. |
| 18:58.03 | asuffield | Phated: well, *you* can't, because you eat too much and have no self control :P |
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| 18:58.14 | abrotman | Phated: i'd get skinnier .. that's bad |
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| 18:58.27 | abrotman | Phated: when i graduated high school i was about 120lbs |
| 18:58.30 | helix | and your muscles would atrophy |
| 18:58.32 | helix | it would be hot |
| 18:58.33 | astronut | helix: wifi |
| 18:58.34 | zardoz_ | anyone help me configure my soundcard alsa dosent work it cant find my soundcard in the db |
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| 18:58.43 | Phated | abrotman: Lovely. |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | Phated: not really .. i was very skinny .. nothign to me |
| 18:58.57 | Allman | y0, after 7 hours I managed to get this anicent PCMCIA network card working.. however, every time the beast boots, I have to manually do the following: "insmod tulip" and "ifup eth0" --- how should I configure the system to do this automatically? |
| 18:59.03 | abrotman | y0? |
| 18:59.05 | astronut | helix: wifi + cordless phone |
| 18:59.05 | helix | teenage males have the coolest metabolism |
| 18:59.18 | Phated | asuffield: I'm finding it hard to pass on a withering glare on IRC. You'll forgive me for not doing so. |
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| 18:59.19 | abrotman | yes .. eat everything and dont' gain weight .. |
| 18:59.19 | astronut | helix: how's that? |
| 18:59.23 | astronut | abrotman: i wish |
| 18:59.25 | helix | it's freakin' fast |
| 18:59.30 | astronut | male even |
| 18:59.35 | abrotman | though someone suggested last night that i have lost weight |
| 18:59.39 | abrotman | astronut: worked for me :) |
| 18:59.48 | astronut | abrotman: ::shrug:: |
| 18:59.48 | astronut | well |
| 18:59.52 | astronut | i weigh more than i want |
| 18:59.54 | astronut | but i stay stable |
| 18:59.55 | astronut | so |
| 18:59.57 | asuffield | helix: you're thinking of the way they eat, or the way they jerk off all the time? |
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| 19:00.12 | helix | asuffield: heh |
| 19:00.17 | abrotman | astronut: i used to eat like 8"x8" pieces of lasagna constantly :) |
| 19:00.24 | asuffield | Phated: I do not feel withered |
| 19:00.24 | helix | you would know more about that than I would |
| 19:00.33 | helix | dunno, you look pretty withered dude |
| 19:00.38 | Phated | asuffield: I didn't think you would. |
| 19:00.50 | abrotman | astronut: you don't like ricotta? |
| 19:00.55 | asuffield | helix: oh yeah, like you never dated any teenage males :P |
| 19:01.06 | helix | I did, but they were all overgrown like me |
| 19:01.11 | astronut | abrotman: when i was little, food lion mixed bad cheese w/ good cheese |
| 19:01.11 | helix | oh wait |
| 19:01.15 | astronut | and it always made me throw up |
| 19:01.22 | asuffield | 'overgrown' |
| 19:01.23 | helix | that was a dumb thing to get confused about |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | astronut: i have an ex .. her grandmother forgot to take the plastic off the cheese .. now she won't eat yellow singles |
| 19:01.38 | helix | anyway, that was a long time ago and I dated older people |
| 19:01.39 | karamelos | hi, is there a console command to suspend the display? I am using Brightside for that but it's buggy. |
| 19:01.41 | Phated | When asuffield -and- helix are around, you get to expect these moments. |
| 19:01.41 | astronut | wait, helix is a female? |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | astronut: you're from the south eh? |
| 19:01.53 | helix | he can't keep his dirty paws off me |
| 19:01.54 | astronut | abrotman: ya..why? |
| 19:01.56 | mwilson | "suspend" the display? |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | astronut: i remember the stories about food lion bleaching chicken :) |
| 19:02.14 | asuffield | Phated: do you want me to go get Overfiend? :P |
| 19:02.15 | skx | "blank" the display .. probably |
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| 19:02.25 | astronut | abrotman: ah |
| 19:02.28 | astronut | or win-dixie |
| 19:02.30 | astronut | one or the other |
| 19:02.32 | karamelos | mwilson, yes, set the monitor in suspend mode. |
| 19:02.32 | astronut | prob food lion |
| 19:02.33 | astronut | i think |
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| 19:02.38 | abrotman | astronut: but we don't have food lions up here .. not in a long time |
| 19:02.43 | mwilson | karamelos: Well? |
| 19:02.50 | astronut | abrotman: here is? |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | philly |
| 19:03.00 | astronut | ah |
| 19:03.01 | Phated | asuffield: Why not, two perverts around already, might as well make it an unholy triumvirate. |
| 19:03.03 | rwabel | hi |
| 19:03.04 | astronut | helix: you're female? |
| 19:03.06 | helix | Phated: I don't know if Phated knows the legend of the Overfiend |
| 19:03.11 | asuffield | helix: but you're just so *easy*... |
| 19:03.19 | helix | so are you, hot stuff |
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| 19:03.31 | Phated | helix: The movie or the DD? :) |
| 19:03.37 | helix | ha |
| 19:03.42 | asuffield | meh, one is named for the other |
| 19:03.44 | rwabel | I've problem with my locales, special characters aren't displayed correctly even having choosen utf-8, any who can help me? |
| 19:03.56 | Phated | Indeed, but both are legends in their own way, eh. |
| 19:03.58 | grivell | abrotman: Go to plug? |
| 19:04.01 | helix | but we'll ignore for a moment that he apparently hadn't seen the movie when he took on the nick |
| 19:04.14 | mwilson | rwabel: How is that a problem with your locales? Does whatever font you're using include the characters you're trying to display? |
| 19:04.27 | asuffield | Phated: besides, it's two movies and two OVA sets |
| 19:04.38 | Phated | asuffield: I see. |
| 19:04.41 | helix | asuffield: are you referring to me and Phated as ova sets? |
| 19:04.55 | asuffield | helix: hmm, I hadn't thought of that one |
| 19:05.01 | rwabel | mwilson: it's related to the filesystem and not in programs like firefox, xchat etc. In the past nautilus displayed the files correctly with special characters but somehow the system changed sth |
| 19:05.03 | asuffield | I must find a way to use it |
| 19:05.06 | helix | indeed |
| 19:05.11 | Phated | Oh, now he's going to get the videocam again. |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | grivell: should i? |
| 19:05.23 | rwabel | mwilson: for example stöck is display llied st?ck (invalid encoding) |
| 19:05.23 | mwilson | rwabel: That's not what I asked you, now is it? |
| 19:05.35 | grivell | abrotman: Just wondering, if you are from Philly, if you went. |
| 19:05.42 | karamelos | mwilson, Well? |
| 19:05.50 | rwabel | mwilson: the font is fine, it's also the same as in the past |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | grivell: i'm a bit NW of philly .. i suppose i could go .. are the meetings any good? |
| 19:06.06 | asuffield | I don't actually own any real-time video cameras |
| 19:06.09 | mwilson | Nautilus? Ah, that explains it. |
| 19:06.12 | DimmuR|away | I'm trying to lunch mono <some_app> and i get: "symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" I've installed mono for Debian, mono from sources and installer - everytime the same.... can any1 help me to solve it? |
| 19:06.18 | rwabel | mwilson: it's also the same effect in the shell, or do I get your question wrong? |
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| 19:06.29 | grivell | abrotman: Use to be. Haven't been in a year or 2. I live in South Jersey. |
| 19:06.42 | Phated | asuffield: That comes as a surprise, honestly. :) |
| 19:06.43 | helix | asuffield: what happened to your webcam collection? |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | grivell: near cowtown? :) |
| 19:06.50 | asuffield | helix: 2-3 FPS stuff |
| 19:06.53 | helix | ah |
| 19:06.57 | asuffield | can't afford decent ones |
| 19:06.58 | grivell | abrotman: A little north ;) |
| 19:07.01 | snk00sj- | oké i got the /usr/src/linux right |
| 19:07.05 | helix | you can't afford anything |
| 19:07.07 | abrotman | grivell: i did work down in salem |
| 19:07.12 | snk00sj- | still having same problem, don't need to give the kernel source path though |
| 19:07.25 | grivell | abrotman: Gloucestor County. |
| 19:07.32 | mwilson | karamelos: Unless you've done something to it, the console is quite capable of blanking the screen on its own. |
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| 19:08.04 | asuffield | Phated: don't worry, I can rent one |
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| 19:08.12 | karamelos | mwilson, I didn't mean blanking, I mean setting the monitor in suspend mode. |
| 19:08.18 | helix | <asuffield> and I'll give you a HOT webcam show, baby |
| 19:08.23 | rwabel | mwilson: it's not only nautilus |
| 19:08.49 | mwilson | karamelos: man setterm |
| 19:08.58 | abrotman | grivell: i don't know where that is ... |
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| 19:09.10 | Phated | asuffield: Resourceful devil, aren't you. |
| 19:09.20 | mwilson | rwabel: gnome-terminal is still Gnome. |
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| 19:10.02 | asuffield | Phated: practice is key |
| 19:10.03 | rwabel | mwilson: also without gnome, kde or whatever. I can go down with ctrl-alt-f1 and I get the same stuff |
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| 19:10.16 | Phated | asuffield: I see. |
| 19:10.42 | rwabel | mwilson: acutally I'm wrong in ctrl-alt-f1 it's working |
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| 19:12.24 | pmiller9 | how can I identify the program running on a specific port? I have something running on ports 111, 783, 940, 950 that I want to disable or secure |
| 19:12.50 | zamolxes | pmiller9, netstat |
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| 19:13.21 | karamelos | mwilson, I tried "setterm -powersave on" but it returns "cannot (un)set powersave mode" |
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| 19:13.33 | inocid | pmiller9: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 19:13.49 | blued | are there any command line browsers that support javascript |
| 19:13.49 | ZCorker | I have a problem installing Debby. |
| 19:13.56 | abrotman | debby? |
| 19:13.56 | helix | debby? |
| 19:14.01 | Phated | Hee, debby. |
| 19:14.11 | asuffield | you're trying to install it, not fuck it |
| 19:14.34 | Phated | asuffield: Come now, you've seen the endless bash quotes involving genitals and CDs, no doubt. |
| 19:14.34 | ZCorker | hda1, hda5, and hda6 show up, but not the other petitions. And I would say she screwed me :) |
| 19:14.43 | Phated | You -wish-. |
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| 19:15.13 | jagerman | helix: Ah, you should sign up to some Gentoo mailing lists, they are always quite entertaining |
| 19:15.28 | ZCorker | How come my other logical drives don't show in the auto install ??? |
| 19:15.30 | helix | I would have more fun ripping out my uterus with a rusty knife |
| 19:15.38 | asuffield | that could be fun |
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| 19:15.56 | abrotman | bah .. used a knife .. no pain |
| 19:15.58 | Phated | I'll watch. |
| 19:16.10 | xoz | getting *morbid* |
| 19:16.23 | Phated | Business as usual. |
| 19:16.31 | jagerman | Now look, helix, you've gathered a crowd |
| 19:16.36 | ZCorker | Has anyone tried installing Debby by just booting from disk? Install routine looks nice and pretty clean. However, it won't recognize all of my logical drives? |
| 19:16.44 | _linux_newb2_ | slow day, ive been here for 2 minutes and i have not seen RTFM |
| 19:16.49 | grendal_prime | can somone tell me how to get around this problem...my girl wants to watch the videos on dora the explorers page...here is the link |
| 19:16.50 | grendal_prime | http://www.nickjr.com/playtime/cats/stories/my_world_stories/dd_follow_that_slipper.jhtml |
| 19:17.05 | pmiller9 | zamolxes: I'm not familiar with netstat... netstat -p -l -e seems to be displaying possible programs, but does not show the port number... any hints? |
| 19:17.08 | grendal_prime | for some reason it will only allow media player 9??? |
| 19:17.13 | grendal_prime | does this make any sence |
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| 19:17.38 | grendal_prime | her machine is debian testing dist and it does play other videos on other pages in mplayer just fine |
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| 19:18.07 | _linux_newb2_ | did you install the win32codecs? |
| 19:18.12 | mwilson | ZCorker: No, no one has *ever* tried installing Debian by booting from the CD. Didn't you know, that's a completely unsupported method. |
| 19:18.27 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 19:18.30 | helix | mwilson: how many times do I have to tell you to stop with those kinds of questions? |
| 19:18.39 | grendal_prime | thought i had _linux_newb2_ |
| 19:18.43 | asuffield | grendal_prime: generally that means payware |
| 19:18.48 | ZCorker | no i didn't know. I am a total newbie. Never used Linux before. I was going to take a free online class after I figure out how to install this. |
| 19:19.01 | asuffield | otherwise, it's an MMS stream, you'll have to dissect the page to get the URL and feed it to xine |
| 19:19.06 | ZCorker | I did not install the win32codecs. Am I supposed to? |
| 19:19.08 | mwilson | helix: Am I the only person that asks rhetorical questions? |
| 19:19.11 | grendal_prime | i dont thinkso asuffield |
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| 19:19.28 | grendal_prime | everything else on the site works..as well as the flash stories |
| 19:19.29 | rwabel | hi |
| 19:19.36 | rwabel | sorry linux crashed :-) |
| 19:19.36 | helix | mwilson: no, and I spank other people when I see them behaving similarly |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | is Fearnley still a DD ? |
| 19:19.48 | grendal_prime | can someone who has the w32s installed for sure check it out? |
| 19:19.50 | grendal_prime | http://www.nickjr.com/playtime/cats/stories/my_world_stories/dd_follow_that_slipper.jhtml |
| 19:19.55 | mwilson | helix: Nor am I the person who put the 'anyone' factoid in the bots. |
| 19:20.05 | helix | blah blah, just cut it out |
| 19:20.05 | rwabel | mwilson: it's only happening within gnome, kde and xfce as far as I've tested it |
| 19:20.12 | asuffield | grendal_prime: the javascript is *not* going to deliver it on anything other than IE. you'll have to dissect the page to get the URL |
| 19:20.13 | Allman | Problem: eth0 does not come up at boot even though /etc/network/interfaces says eth0/auto/dhcp/etc. but if I do an ifup eth0 after boot, it works... (old SMC PCMCIA network card) --- any suggestions? |
| 19:20.17 | helix | don't get all victimized acting |
| 19:20.24 | abrotman | will Sin City be any good? |
| 19:20.35 | grendal_prime | asuffield, bummer...well thanks |
| 19:20.48 | mwilson | The comic was, so the movie probably won't be. Look at what they did to Hellblazer. |
| 19:20.50 | asuffield | ah, helix has a new date |
| 19:20.52 | helix | grendal_prime: it tells me to upgrade or whatever |
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| 19:21.00 | helix | I do? |
| 19:21.00 | _linux_newb2_ | didnt work |
| 19:21.06 | helix | where! |
| 19:21.21 | abrotman | phated? |
| 19:21.27 | Phated | abrotman? |
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| 19:21.30 | asuffield | (and that is the sound of desperation) |
| 19:21.33 | zamolxes | pmiller9, try -antelupa |
| 19:21.36 | chealer | I'm trying to completely disable vesafb to avoid it to conflict with NVIDIA's drivers, *without* having to compile my kernel. I blacklisted vesafb, then tried adding four boot options (noframebuffer, vesafb=off, video=vesa:off vga=normal, video=vesafb:off) with no success yet. I get "vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6" at boot though. Is this module vesafb0 trying to probe module vesafb0? In what error table could I check what err |
| 19:21.36 | ZCorker | How come the masterboot record in the Debian Install only shows hda1, hda5, hda6? |
| 19:21.38 | abrotman | don't blame me .. wasn't my idea |
| 19:21.42 | zamolxes | pmiller9, | grep LISTEN |
| 19:21.43 | zamolxes | :) |
| 19:21.53 | fluor- | hi there - would anyone know if there's any thing such as a vsftpd dedicated channel? |
| 19:22.02 | ZCorker | What happened to hda2, hda3 |
| 19:22.02 | izzy_ | hi ... can anybody tell me the best way to get wine help or irc? wine is telling me to modify a config file that is obsolete and no longer exists, i think. having wave audio issues. |
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| 19:22.28 | chealer | also the best source of info about vesafb I find is TLDP's howto last updated in 2000. does someone know of a better ressource? |
| 19:22.32 | blued | are there any command line browsers that support http logins, javascript, and frames, lynx and links do not work |
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| 19:22.50 | mwilson | blued: links2 |
| 19:22.51 | izzy_ | or am I the only person that hates myself enough to use wine? |
| 19:23.01 | buu__ | Can anyone tell me the key combination I need for "magic sysreq" (or something similar) that will flush the disk-buffers to disk, even if the kernel is dead? |
| 19:23.03 | abrotman | izzy_: #winehq |
| 19:23.04 | pmiller9 | zamolxes: thanks! |
| 19:23.06 | blued | alright, t hanks |
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| 19:23.32 | izzy_ | thanks abrotman |
| 19:23.35 | helix | asuffield: well, you don't have to get jealous, you know |
| 19:23.43 | izzy_ | #part |
| 19:23.51 | izzy_ | ...im so abd at this. |
| 19:23.54 | buu__ | Hai helix! |
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| 19:23.57 | xoz | blued: tried w3mmee? |
| 19:24.01 | helix | buu, k lo k |
| 19:24.11 | buu__ | helix: Great! |
| 19:24.20 | buu__ | helix: So how do I do magic sys req crap? |
| 19:24.20 | helix | _linux_newb2_: stop that |
| 19:24.33 | helix | oh jeez, I haven't done that in a long time; I saw a website for it though |
| 19:24.47 | asuffield | the documentation is in the usual place in the bloody source tree |
| 19:24.56 | ZCorker | How come all of my logical drives are not showing up as part of my masterboot record in the Debian Linux auto install routine ? |
| 19:25.00 | blued | links2 is awsome, thanks |
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| 19:25.29 | Allman | Problem: eth0 does not come up at boot even though /etc/network/interfaces says eth0/auto/dhcp/etc. but if I do an ifup eth0 after boot, it works... (old SMC PCMCIA network card) --- any suggestions? |
| 19:25.40 | asuffield | helix: I don't do jealous, since I have no particular attachment to the concept of monogamy :P |
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| 19:25.58 | helix | that's a good way to be |
| 19:26.03 | buu__ | asuffield: Was that directed at me? |
| 19:26.15 | helix | no, it was directed at me |
| 19:26.16 | Occitan | i need some help with modconf. my sb live module isn't in the list |
| 19:26.16 | separ | re |
| 19:26.25 | buu__ | helix: No, the previous comment |
| 19:26.30 | helix | I know |
| 19:26.33 | buu__ | oh |
| 19:26.34 | grendal_prime | thanks helix |
| 19:26.35 | buu__ | =[ |
| 19:26.50 | xoz | Allman: check the sequence of booting. possible that pcmci mgr was not loaded prior to networking initrd script |
| 19:26.51 | helix | buu__: maybe if you ask him nicely he'll tell you where in the source tree it is |
| 19:27.00 | asuffield | go look for yourself |
| 19:27.03 | buu__ | er |
| 19:27.04 | buu__ | What? |
| 19:27.05 | helix | or not |
| 19:27.07 | asuffield | I can't be bothered to go look for it |
| 19:27.10 | helix | me either |
| 19:27.10 | grendal_prime | i cant figure out what the root is on the location so /nickelodeon/nickjr/video/assets/dora_machu_pichu/dora_machu_pichu_hi.asf really means nothing as well |
| 19:27.10 | helix | heh |
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| 19:27.14 | helix | hold on buu |
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| 19:27.42 | abrotman | i know a girl named bu .. |
| 19:27.46 | Occitan | i need some help with modconf |
| 19:27.53 | drpphil | what's the command to change your password in the terminal |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | passwd |
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| 19:28.01 | drpphil | k |
| 19:28.06 | drpphil | thanks abrotman |
| 19:28.12 | Allman | xoz: that is what I thought as well, but on this Debian box, there is no link (from /etc/rc2.d/) to ../init.d/network ?!? |
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| 19:28.26 | buu__ | helix: alt-sysrq + h |
| 19:28.36 | xoz | Allman: enable it... man update-rc.d |
| 19:28.52 | Occitan | how can i add a module to the modconf list? |
| 19:29.00 | helix | buu__: http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6/anno/Documentation/sysrq.txt@1.9?nav=index.html|src/|src/Documentation |
| 19:29.03 | helix | I guess |
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| 19:29.10 | buu__ | Thanks =/ |
| 19:29.19 | xoz | Occitan: add module you want by editing /etc/modules |
| 19:29.39 | Occitan | xoz: thank you so much |
| 19:30.06 | mwilson | Allman: That's good, since there's not supposed to be. |
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| 19:30.14 | adamb100 | hi |
| 19:30.21 | mwilson | Allman: The network is started earlier. |
| 19:30.36 | adamb100 | How does one fix hotplugs? USB hotplugs hang the system during boot up |
| 19:30.45 | Allman | mwilson: yes, but by WHAT? What starts the network..? |
| 19:30.48 | xoz | helix: by the way, it was nice that you stop people from being sarcastic. it will be a good precendent. |
| 19:30.52 | pipeline | adamb100: How does it hang it? What does it hang on? |
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| 19:31.17 | adamb100 | It hangs on USB Hotplugs, right at the beginning. It does absolutely nothing |
| 19:31.19 | mrmafia | hey guys, tell me some url redirection sites, without popups pls... |
| 19:31.29 | abrotman | xoz: no freaking way! |
| 19:31.30 | helix | mrmafia: what? |
| 19:31.33 | xoz | Occitan: don't message, post it here |
| 19:31.33 | pmiller9 | is there any such program that can identify security events (such as too many password failures) and take some type of action? I want to block the offending ip address for 5 minutes or so using iptables |
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| 19:31.53 | abrotman | mrmafia: #web ? |
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| 19:32.05 | Occitan | i wanna install emu101k module (sb live driver), help plz? |
| 19:32.25 | mwilson | rei $ dlocate /etc/init.d/networking |
| 19:32.25 | mwilson | netbase: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 19:32.28 | xoz | abrotman: as debian is being dist-upgraded, we also have to ;) |
| 19:32.37 | TwoSchubert | pmiller9: that's quite dangerous, I mean against a DoS |
| 19:32.39 | abrotman | xoz: so we're in the army now? :) |
| 19:32.42 | Fluten | are there any sample rate conversion programs for linux other than sox? when i go from 11025 to 22050, it kills lots of the treble and adds white noise for some reason |
| 19:32.50 | qumran | gonna reboot now and see if my new compile kernel works! ;) |
| 19:32.53 | Fluten | even though it seems like 11025 to 22050 should be lossless |
| 19:32.58 | adamb100 | This is the 2nd install of Debian that USB hotplugs failed on me |
| 19:33.11 | abrotman | maybe your usb subsystem is messed? |
| 19:33.23 | asuffield | Fluten: sounds like your description of the input format was wrong |
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| 19:33.27 | TwoSchubert | pmiller9: you can do it by yourself with a shell script, BTW |
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| 19:33.54 | stouset | adamb100: using hotplug? |
| 19:34.15 | asuffield | abrotman: congratulations, that was random and pointless |
| 19:34.25 | adamb100 | stouset: Yeah |
| 19:34.41 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. my stupid brain works like that sometimes :) |
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| 19:34.43 | stouset | adamb100: How are they "failing |
| 19:34.59 | analia | hello. can i use the defrag command to defragment my ext3 filesystem? |
| 19:35.02 | abrotman | asuffield: we had a quince tree outside my house when i was a kid .. i've never seen another |
| 19:35.03 | pmiller9 | TwoSchubert: the problem is identifying the security events... also, I'd probably only deny ip to the specific service |
| 19:35.08 | stouset | adamb100: How are they "failing"? Not detected at all, not automounted, what? |
| 19:35.16 | abrotman | analia: not needed |
| 19:35.21 | QuestionBoi | xml schema: is it legal to use xs:import to import schema b with namespace Y into schema a which uses namespace X? i keep getting errors saying the namespaces are not the same when i try to validate with schema A? |
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| 19:35.25 | asuffield | abrotman: I am quite staggeringly disinterested in your foliage |
| 19:35.29 | adamb100 | stouset: They just hang, it does nothing. I wait a while to see if it does something but it doesn't. Thats all I can really say |
| 19:35.38 | stouset | adamb100: hang? |
| 19:35.42 | Fluten | asuffield, i'm using the command "sox audiodump.wav -r 22050 audiodump1.wav resample -ql", and the output file sounds terrible |
| 19:35.43 | adamb100 | yes |
| 19:35.44 | helix | hahaha |
| 19:35.44 | analia | abrotman: that means that ext3 has some auto defragmentation ? |
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| 19:35.49 | abrotman | asuffield: i'm crushed .. honestly .. i thought brits were into trees and bushes and plants :) |
| 19:36.00 | helix | suff is only into vitriol and anime dude |
| 19:36.02 | stouset | adamb100: trying to understand what's actually happening. What do you mean by hang? |
| 19:36.03 | mwilson | analia: No, it means that it doesn't significally fragment in the first place. |
| 19:36.11 | asuffield | abrotman: that's squirrels |
| 19:36.13 | simonrvn | and trolling |
| 19:36.14 | abrotman | analia: it's not needed |
| 19:36.29 | analia | thanks abrotman and mwilson |
| 19:36.35 | abrotman | asuffield: brits like squirrels? |
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| 19:36.44 | asuffield | abrotman: not particularly. bloody tree rats |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:36.48 | adamb100 | stouset: It does nothing, it just stays there on USB Hotplugs, nothing else proceeds. BTW I should mention that this is the only distro I have had Hotplug problems with |
| 19:36.53 | Allman | Problem: eth0 does not come up at boot even though /etc/network/interfaces says eth0/auto/dhcp/etc. but if I do an ifup eth0 after boot, it works... (old SMC PCMCIA network card) --- any suggestions? |
| 19:36.54 | Infernal67 | hi all |
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| 19:36.56 | abrotman | asuffield: do you guys have both red and grey squirrels? |
| 19:37.00 | simonrvn | roof rabbits |
| 19:37.10 | asuffield | helix: 'suff'? stop that, or I'll start calling you 'lick' |
| 19:37.10 | abrotman | helix: you bought a house? |
| 19:37.20 | helix | asuffield: why? suff is cool |
| 19:37.24 | stouset | adamb100: Which is weird, because this is the first I've heard of hotplugging problems :-) |
| 19:37.26 | asuffield | abrotman: technically yes. realistically the reds are almost gone |
| 19:37.29 | helix | abrotman: you must never get spam |
| 19:37.30 | mwilson | Allman: Yes, set it up as described in the hotplug documentation. Hotplug manages cardbus PCMCIA cards. |
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| 19:37.35 | abrotman | helix: oh .. ok |
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| 19:37.40 | abrotman | asuffield: that stinks |
| 19:37.40 | TwoSchubert | pmiller9: you can perfectly identify the security events by reading the logs.. |
| 19:37.41 | helix | 69 N + Mar 07 Bob@double-heli ( 28) Need a low mortage rate? |
| 19:37.47 | asuffield | abrotman: that's evolution |
| 19:37.52 | stouset | adamb100: So what you're saying is that, when you're booting, it pops up a line saying something about USB hotplugs, then locks up and does nothing else? |
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| 19:38.03 | abrotman | asuffield: i bet it's less than natural |
| 19:38.03 | adamb100 | stouset: Exactly |
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| 19:38.09 | Allman | mwilson: thanks, but where the heck is the hotplog documentation... locate hotplug |
| 19:38.12 | abrotman | helix: your name is bob now? |
| 19:38.18 | asuffield | abrotman: not particularly. greys breed faster, that's all |
| 19:38.19 | simonrvn | helix: souldn't be accepting email that has non-existent users on your hosts |
| 19:38.25 | simonrvn | sh* |
| 19:38.34 | helix | simonrvn: I don't control that mail server |
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| 19:38.37 | abrotman | asuffield: you know a lot about squirrels :) |
| 19:38.43 | simonrvn | helix: oh that sucks |
| 19:38.43 | adamb100 | I can't disable USB either(even though I did once, and it didn't work) since my moust and keyboard are USB |
| 19:38.44 | stouset | adamb100: I see. You on a different machine right now? |
| 19:38.53 | helix | well, not really. they have to deal with my spam, not me |
| 19:38.55 | asuffield | abrotman: that's about my limit |
| 19:39.02 | Biosvirus | Im bakc again. I've now installed gnome and gmd. When I start linux the Gnome login screen appears. I enter my u-name and pw, but then a window appear : "your session lasted less then 10 secs .... " , anyone know what the problem is? |
| 19:39.02 | adamb100 | I'm on the same machine, using Windows right now |
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| 19:39.05 | simonrvn | helix: still, they shouldn't be :) |
| 19:39.12 | helix | they do a lot of stupid things |
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| 19:39.22 | abrotman | asuffield: maybe red ones are more in the woods .. i can't tell you the last time i saw a red one in philly |
| 19:39.23 | asuffield | abrotman: they are rats that live in trees, and they are a practical example of evolution in action in the modern world |
| 19:39.32 | simonrvn | helix: i can imagine, with that config |
| 19:39.43 | stouset | adamb100: Can you finish booting at all? Or when it gets to hotplug does it never let your proceed? |
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| 19:39.45 | Biosvirus | anyone? |
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| 19:39.59 | abrotman | asuffield: ah .. wikipedia says your red squirrel is different than ours |
| 19:40.00 | ZCorker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.05 | adamb100 | stouset: It never lets me proceed |
| 19:40.06 | mwilson | simonrvn: Everyone should use dspam. :) |
| 19:40.06 | asuffield | nope, greys there too. plenty of woods between me and the train station |
| 19:40.16 | Biosvirus | can someone help me? |
| 19:40.19 | simonrvn | Biosvirus: ~/.xsession is pukey. fix it |
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| 19:40.31 | xoz | Biosvirus: check what desktop or window manager it is using from the login prompt of gdm. make sure the one you have chosen is installed...like gnome, kde, fluxbox, etc. |
| 19:40.33 | Biosvirus | Im a firsttimer with debian |
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| 19:40.54 | helix | simonrvn: he hasn't quite got the hang of using a text editor yet |
| 19:40.57 | helix | I doubt he has an .xsession |
| 19:41.03 | asuffield | oh, and they're ingenious little theives. no bird feeder, no matter how innovative, will stop a squirrel from plundering it |
| 19:41.03 | buu___ | Ok, I've got a script that crashes debian. Anyone have a good idea for figuring out how? |
| 19:41.06 | stouset | adamb100: Wish I could help you, but unless you've got some way to talk on IRC while we do this it'd be nearly impossible... |
| 19:41.09 | inocid | is anyone using debian with qmail and spamassassin? how can qmail and spamassasin be easily integrated? |
| 19:41.18 | pipeline | Biosvirus: Sounds like you didn't actually install Gnome. Try logging in as root and running "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 19:41.23 | buu___ | s/how/why/ |
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| 19:41.27 | mwilson | First step... replace qmail with just about anything else... |
| 19:41.30 | adamb100 | stouset: I got a copy of Knoppix if I can fix it through there |
| 19:41.31 | helix | buu___: what kind of script? |
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| 19:41.41 | buu___ | helix: It's actually a cron-job.. |
| 19:41.45 | helix | so fix i |
| 19:41.45 | helix | t |
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| 19:41.54 | helix | what does it do? |
| 19:41.56 | buu___ | I don't know what's broken! |
| 19:42.00 | stouset | pipeline: why gnome-desktop-environment and not gnome? |
| 19:42.04 | Biosvirus | pipline, k |
| 19:42.05 | helix | well, you may want to tell us |
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| 19:42.10 | buu___ | test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 19:42.13 | stouset | adamb100: That can work. |
| 19:42.17 | Sero | Does anyone know why X suddenly doesn't start up? |
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| 19:42.19 | pipeline | stouset: "gnome" pulls in twice as much crap, much of it unrelated to the gnome project. |
| 19:42.22 | pipeline | Sero: Only you. |
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| 19:42.25 | abrotman | pipeline: i already told him to `apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system` |
| 19:42.26 | buu___ | That's the script executed by cron. When I run it, it kills teh lunix. |
| 19:42.29 | Biosvirus | I have downloaded and installed gnome, x-window-server and gdm |
| 19:42.33 | adamb100 | stouset: Great, I'll boot in it right now |
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| 19:42.35 | abrotman | pipeline: dunno if he actually did it htough ;) |
| 19:42.36 | cottus | where are apt sources listed/kept |
| 19:42.37 | xoz | Sero: try a more specific description. |
| 19:42.38 | helix | weird |
| 19:42.44 | abrotman | cottus: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:42.48 | cottus | thx |
| 19:42.50 | buu___ | helix: I agree. |
| 19:42.51 | pipeline | Biosvirus: Well, it sure sounds like gnome isn't installed. So try the "gnome-desktop-environment" thing and see what happens. |
| 19:42.52 | Sero | pipeline, I just turned on the computer and now out of nowhere it's telling me X won't start. |
| 19:42.53 | helix | buu___: what happens before it crashes? |
| 19:42.59 | Biosvirus | k |
| 19:42.59 | buu___ | helix: Um. Nothing? |
| 19:43.01 | Biosvirus | I'll try |
| 19:43.02 | pipeline | Sero: You'll have to be a lot more specific if you want help. |
| 19:43.06 | helix | load doesn't shoot up or anything? |
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| 19:43.09 | buu___ | helix: I've got an strace of "sh thascript" |
| 19:43.10 | helix | it just freezes the system? |
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| 19:43.31 | buu___ | helix: As far as I can tell it just freezes. numlock doesn't turn on/off, alt-sysrq doesn't work, etc. |
| 19:43.31 | asuffield | it's just running cron.daily. something in cron.daily will be the real cause |
| 19:43.47 | helix | maybe it's buu's satanic perl |
| 19:44.02 | asuffield | do not perform demon invocations with perl |
| 19:44.05 | asuffield | it pisses them off |
| 19:44.07 | xoz | buu___: list what files are in the cron.daily |
| 19:44.07 | mogorman | hey |
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| 19:44.52 | Biosvirus | but where can i try apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment when I cant login ? |
| 19:45.10 | mogorman | how do i roll back a debian package, i tried to upgrade some stuff, and now i have entered dep. hell libecal6 and libedataserver3 and i cant even uninstall evolution |
| 19:45.13 | stouset | Biosvirus: console? |
| 19:45.14 | helix | Biosvirus: when the screen comes up, just hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:45.18 | buu_ | xoz: Er, where? |
| 19:45.18 | helix | then you can login |
| 19:45.23 | Biosvirus | k |
| 19:45.25 | Biosvirus | I'll try |
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| 19:45.39 | dj-death | hi all |
| 19:45.42 | buu_ | Oh right, sorry |
| 19:45.45 | stouset | mogorman: Hit "=" on every package that you want to "hold" at the current versions |
| 19:45.53 | helix | buu_: what was the mistake? |
| 19:45.54 | mogorman | ? |
| 19:46.01 | dj-death | does someone know how to install grub (I mean on the mbr) |
| 19:46.02 | stouset | mogorman: in aptitude |
| 19:46.03 | buu_ | helix: I realized what cron.daily was |
| 19:46.05 | pipeline | Sero: What's the exact error? What does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say? |
| 19:46.11 | helix | "shutdown -h now" |
| 19:46.14 | Sero | pipeline, It says alot of stuff. |
| 19:46.16 | stouset | mogorman: enter aptitude, go to the offending packages, hit = on them. |
| 19:46.16 | pipeline | dj-death: run the grub-install script |
| 19:46.23 | xoz | buu_: /etc/cron.daily/ ... try to remove or comment-out those files you dont need. perhaps you can start by elimination or addition. |
| 19:46.24 | pipeline | Sero: Yes, but something in that stuff is the error. And it's probably close to the bottom. |
| 19:46.38 | dj-death | pipeline: it does nothing |
| 19:46.48 | dj-death | pipeline: just waiting |
| 19:46.49 | mogorman | no it is saying it needs to be upgraded because i have already upgaded something else, if i just set emm to equals it will fix? |
| 19:46.53 | stouset | xoz: rather than comment out, just mark non-exec :-) |
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| 19:47.05 | pipeline | dj-death: It does SOMETHINg. |
| 19:47.14 | dj-death | pipeline: it's very long |
| 19:47.30 | pipeline | mogorman: You haven't entered dependency hell unless you did something extremely unusual. |
| 19:47.35 | pipeline | dj-death: Wait. |
| 19:47.35 | xoz | stouset: yeh, that thing escaped my mind |
| 19:47.39 | buu_ | xoz: Right-o |
| 19:47.55 | pipeline | mogorman: For example, install packages you found on the internet or fiddle with /etc/apt/preferences. |
| 19:48.10 | pipeline | mogorman: Anything else, you should be able to "apt-get -f install" to fix |
| 19:48.14 | mogorman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:48.14 | mogorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.14 | mogorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.14 | Sero | pipeline, it said Fatal Server Error: Caught Signal 11. Server Aborting. |
| 19:48.15 | stouset | xoz: That's okay. I can be your backup brain. |
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| 19:48.17 | mogorman | ii have tried that |
| 19:48.21 | mogorman | sorry for spamming chan |
| 19:48.23 | helix | grr, who keeps turning the AC off |
| 19:48.26 | mogorman | didnt mean to |
| 19:48.30 | pipeline | Sero: Something killed the server, then. Why would another process kill it? |
| 19:48.34 | stouset | mogorman: Do you have aptitude installed? |
| 19:48.35 | abrotman | helix is gonna frag? |
| 19:48.38 | mogorman | yes |
| 19:48.42 | mogorman | and -f didnt fix it |
| 19:48.44 | pmiller9 | inocid: I'm using qmail+qmail-scanner+spamassassin |
| 19:48.45 | xoz | perhaps the fuzzy logic of AC is fuzzy |
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| 19:48.51 | Sero | pipeline, I don't have any idea. |
| 19:48.56 | pipeline | Sero: Actually, signal 11 isn't a kill signal |
| 19:48.59 | stouset | mogorman: run aptitude |
| 19:49.01 | helix | I'm going to autotool their brains |
| 19:49.04 | mogorman | i have |
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| 19:49.05 | pipeline | Sero: It's a signal that usually means something is fucked up in your hardware |
| 19:49.06 | stouset | mogorman: hit g |
| 19:49.10 | mogorman | how do i get ridof it |
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| 19:49.21 | thingfish | q |
| 19:49.24 | stouset | mogorman: hit = on the offending packages |
| 19:49.31 | dj-death | pipeline: ok thx |
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| 19:49.37 | Sero | pipeline, the only thing I did before turning it on was added a sound card. |
| 19:50.09 | asuffield | Sero: so take it out again |
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| 19:50.12 | pipeline | Sero: Nevertheless, signal 11 usually indicates a hardware / driver problem. Something serious. |
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| 19:50.23 | Sero | Oi i'll take the sound card out. brb |
| 19:50.29 | pipeline | Sero: Are you overclocking? Do you think you have IRQ conflicts? |
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| 19:51.16 | xam | pipeline: no neccessarily. You could have a cronjob like this: "kill -11 <randomPID>" |
| 19:51.28 | pipeline | xam: I think that's pretty !@#$ unlikely. |
| 19:51.39 | pipeline | xam: kill -11 `whois xam` |
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| 19:52.07 | qumran | I've just compiled kernel 2.6.10-1-686 and everything went fine. But when i'm trying to boot via lilo i get the message "VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1). |
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| 19:52.33 | qumran | "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 19:52.34 | helix | asuffield: is it cold there? |
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| 19:52.39 | helix | or did you want to be autotooled? |
| 19:52.44 | buu_ | I return! |
| 19:52.51 | buu_ | It was something in /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 19:52.57 | pipeline | qumran: Go back to using a stock kernel. You screwed up. |
| 19:53.14 | dmp_ | signal 11 is SIGSEGV, surely. |
| 19:53.32 | travisat | qumran: you left something compiled as a module when it should be compiled in since you are probably not using an initrd |
| 19:53.37 | xoz | qumran: you forgot to compile the ide and filesystem drivers static not as a module. |
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| 19:54.04 | xoz | qumran: or you can make an initrd image to load them. |
| 19:54.22 | qumran | ahh ,... so if i run menuconfig again and start over, and put the filesystem drivers static i will woek? |
| 19:54.30 | qumran | xoz: how to do that? |
| 19:54.43 | qumran | xoz: initrd image to load the drivers i mean ... |
| 19:54.56 | xoz | qumran: man mkinitrd. |
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| 19:54.59 | nagual | boot witha linux cd and chroot /dev/yourrootfs |
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| 19:55.31 | qumran | thanks guys. i'll get right on it. |
| 19:55.38 | xoz | qumran: edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules, make sure the drivers for your filesystem and ide are there |
| 19:55.49 | xoz | qumran: before making initrd image. |
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| 19:56.05 | helix | biovirus: any luck? |
| 19:56.06 | bond- | Hmm.. i cant seem to get fxp working with pureftpd on debian.. I have enabled "AllowUserFXP".. it didnt work with proftpd.. any hints ? |
| 19:56.10 | biovirus | I've tried apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment, it says that I already have the latest version |
| 19:56.12 | xoz | qumran: and edit grub or lilo to load the initrd image |
| 19:56.26 | helix | biovirus: you do |
| 19:56.30 | helix | you installed gnome |
| 19:56.34 | qumran | xoz: ok . thanks |
| 19:56.34 | biovirus | yes |
| 19:56.42 | helix | why are you trying to install it again? |
| 19:56.44 | xoz | biovirus: make sure gnome is selected in the gdm prompt when you login. |
| 19:56.54 | biovirus | it is |
| 19:57.01 | biovirus | in the "Session" thing :P |
| 19:57.03 | Sero | pipeline, yeah it was that stupid suond card. |
| 19:57.17 | Sero | pipeline, so I can throw that sound card out right? It's f'ed up? |
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| 19:57.33 | pipeline | Sero: No, it's your motherboard that's fucked up. |
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| 19:57.45 | pipeline | Sero: If you don't like this kind of thing, I suggest you buy a Sun workstation. |
| 19:57.50 | biovirus | how do I get back to Gnome ? |
| 19:57.55 | pipeline | Sero: That's a facetious suggestion. You'll have to shuffle cards. |
| 19:58.00 | biovirus | ctrl + alt + F1 again? |
| 19:58.01 | pipeline | biovirus: Are you at the console? |
| 19:58.05 | biovirus | yes |
| 19:58.06 | pipeline | biovirus: alt+f7 |
| 19:58.08 | biovirus | k |
| 19:58.19 | Sero | pipeline, you serious? man! I jus swapped the motherboard out with an already screwed up MOBO. |
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| 19:58.40 | pipeline | Sero: It's screwed up in the sense that every PeeCee motherboard is screwed up. It's not defective, it's just a piece of shit. They intended for it to be broken. |
| 19:59.07 | biovirus | damn, that session thing again! |
| 19:59.13 | Sero | pipeline, OI! |
| 19:59.48 | pipeline | Sero: What? PC's and Macs suck ass. That's just the way the world is. You get hardware for $1000, don't expect it to be top-notch. |
| 20:00.00 | dmp_ | pipeline: /me hugs his j5000 workstation |
| 20:00.08 | Sero | pipeline, yeah the mobo DID make a funny noise when I plugged it in, kind of like an odd springy noise. |
| 20:00.09 | biovirus | I checked the log, it says : protocol not supported by server" |
| 20:00.15 | pipeline | Sero: I would shuffle cards. Perhaps your AGP graphics card doesn't like to share resources with the uppermost PCI slot. |
| 20:00.28 | Sero | pipeline, It doesn't even have an AGP slot. |
| 20:00.32 | pipeline | Sero: No, unless you physically broke things, this is probably just an IRQ/DMA issue. |
| 20:00.38 | Sero | pipeline, this is my friends crappy, old ass box. |
| 20:00.40 | qumran | xoz: Where is the newly compiled modules located? Sorry i'm newbie |
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| 20:01.05 | pipeline | Sero: Christ. This is not going to be fun. Take out every single card. Put the most important card in the first PCI slot, then start filling in the other cards from the bottom slot upwards until things break. |
| 20:01.10 | dmp_ | pipeline: how did you deduce that a SIGSEGV is anything other than an application bug? |
| 20:01.15 | biovirus | "protocol not supported by server, cant open display it says |
| 20:01.18 | xoz | qumran: /lib/modules/$kernelver |
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| 20:01.24 | buu | Hmph |
| 20:01.26 | qumran | xoz: thnx |
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| 20:01.32 | mastergoon | whats the easiest way to install the nvidia binary drivers on debian unstable? |
| 20:01.52 | thingfish | mastergoon: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 20:01.56 | helix | biovirus: what video card? |
| 20:01.58 | mastergoon | thank you |
| 20:02.04 | pipeline | dmp_: XF86 tickles the hardware directly. |
| 20:02.14 | biovirus | I have a integrated ati , some version of it |
| 20:02.16 | dmp_ | pipeline: signal 11 is still SIGSEGV, surely. |
| 20:02.19 | xoz | qumran: you dont need to indicate the path.. just the module name is needed in the /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 20:02.26 | helix | dmp_: are you a bot? |
| 20:02.28 | pipeline | dmp_: Also, usually a program just crashes rather than catches the signal. The fact that it caught it is unusual. |
| 20:02.29 | dmp_ | which means X screwed up (unless the kernel oopsed too) |
| 20:02.33 | helix | oh, maybe not |
| 20:02.37 | dmp_ | pipeline: not at all, you can catch sigsegv |
| 20:02.44 | helix | but I could've sworn I just saw you say that |
| 20:02.50 | dmp_ | helix: whatever you think ;) |
| 20:02.50 | pipeline | dmp_: Yes, you can, but very few programs DO. |
| 20:02.56 | dmp_ | X appears to be one of them. |
| 20:03.01 | helix | biovirus: type 'lspci' and tell me what it says |
| 20:03.04 | pipeline | dmp_: Whatever, my hunch appeared to have been correct, as taking out a PCI card fixed the problem. |
| 20:03.05 | helix | biovirus: but don't paste it in here |
| 20:03.06 | buu | Hrm. updatedb is killing my lunix. |
| 20:03.14 | dmp_ | tis still an X bug ;) |
| 20:03.15 | helix | buu: why are you running updatedb |
| 20:03.18 | biovirus | uhu? |
| 20:03.21 | biovirus | paste what? |
| 20:03.27 | buu | helix: daily.cron is running it |
| 20:03.41 | qumran | xoz: ok... i'll try it |
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| 20:03.50 | buu | Or cron.daily, what ever. |
| 20:03.58 | biovirus | helix, what should I do? |
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| 20:04.21 | helix | biovirus: lspci <-this is a command. run it and look for something like: VGA compatible controller |
| 20:04.31 | biovirus | type lspci and then exactly what the error said? |
| 20:04.34 | biovirus | k |
| 20:04.39 | witless | is there an apt source for OOo2.0beta? |
| 20:04.41 | adamb100 | Anyone know how to disable USB hotplugs? |
| 20:04.47 | helix | biovirus: lspci lists your pci devices, it shouldn't give errors |
| 20:04.52 | abrotman | witless: #debian-oo |
| 20:04.59 | xoz | buu: check if you have plenty of space in your /var dir.. possible you are having a space problem |
| 20:05.05 | helix | mmm, air conditioning |
| 20:05.08 | biovirus | yes, Its a ATI 3d rage pro |
| 20:05.09 | witless | abrotman: thx |
| 20:05.32 | helix | biovirus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, make sure to select the 'ati' driver |
| 20:05.40 | biovirus | k |
| 20:05.52 | buu | xoz: It has about 4.6g |
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| 20:05.54 | pipeline | dmp_: It's not an X bug, it's a "PC hardware sucks" bug |
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| 20:06.23 | helix | buu: do you even have anything on that machine? and run it at a more sensible time during the day |
| 20:06.45 | buu | helix: Er, what is "anything" in this context, and what the hell does "time of day" matter? |
| 20:07.01 | fluor- | any vsftpd power user around here? |
| 20:07.14 | helix | buu: cause it'll slow your machine down so you might as well run it when you're asleep |
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| 20:07.21 | helix | buu: anything == data |
| 20:07.25 | buu | Yes helix, that is when cron.daily runs |
| 20:07.31 | buu | And it promptly kills my box every night |
| 20:07.34 | helix | then why is it running now? |
| 20:07.37 | helix | oh ok |
| 20:07.40 | buu | BECAUSE I'M DEBUGGING IT |
| 20:07.49 | buu | Or atleast attempting to =[ |
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| 20:07.54 | xoz | buu: try running the command in command line and check what it's doing... |
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| 20:08.04 | buu | And yeah, theres about 350g on various hard drives.. |
| 20:08.17 | buu | xoz: I did, it just says "updating" and falls over. Or whatever updatedb prints. |
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| 20:09.22 | xoz | buu: try reinitialize updatedb... and edit /etc/updatedb.conf ... you might try to avoid updatedb looking for dirs with pics and execs and trash |
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| 20:09.36 | biovirus | I have changed it to ATI now |
| 20:09.37 | buu | xoz: Er, that would crash updatedb? |
| 20:09.41 | biovirus | still the same problem |
| 20:09.49 | biovirus | I try rebooting the comp |
| 20:09.53 | buu | And what should I edit /etc/updatedb.conf to say? |
| 20:10.01 | helix | biovirus: you don't need to reboot after changing stuff |
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| 20:10.10 | biovirus | it doesn't work |
| 20:10.15 | biovirus | still the same problem |
| 20:10.23 | xoz | buu: check prunefs option |
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| 20:10.30 | TwoSchubert | argh, I know that sounds a little dumb, but, how do I recover a file I've just deleted? |
| 20:10.33 | xoz | buu: and prunepath |
| 20:10.40 | helix | biovirus: what's the error again? |
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| 20:10.50 | buu | helix: Fix me =[ |
| 20:10.56 | abrotman | !fix buu |
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| 20:10.58 | buu | xoz: Er, yeah, but why should I need to set them? |
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| 20:11.03 | helix | abrotman: get off the crack |
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| 20:11.06 | biovirus | protocol not supported by server |
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| 20:11.09 | abrotman | helix: it's good? |
| 20:11.15 | adamb100 | So, how do I disable USB Hotplugs |
| 20:11.22 | flawd | Has anyone here got sound to work with quakeforge on Sarge? |
| 20:11.28 | biovirus | I try to reconfigure it again |
| 20:11.32 | asuffield | arse crack? |
| 20:11.49 | xoz | buu: possible that updatedb is indexing files like pics or binaries that contains garbage... it expects to index text files only |
| 20:11.54 | helix | suff is back |
| 20:11.58 | buu | xoz: Oh really |
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| 20:12.06 | cottus | my system is going straight into X via xdm. i switched initdefault in fstab to 3, and installed gdm so i can use it IF i want to go init 5. nevertheless, at startup i get init5 straight to xdm. thoughts? |
| 20:12.07 | buu | Well crap. |
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| 20:12.27 | mud | what is a good media player for music? im using music player that comes with gnome and its weak |
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| 20:12.38 | cottus | xmms |
| 20:12.41 | asuffield | helix: suck on it |
| 20:12.52 | helix | you probably like being called suff |
| 20:12.53 | cottus | any thoughts on my q? |
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| 20:13.06 | helix | cottus: /msg apt nodm |
| 20:13.19 | buu | xoz: Wait, I just read updatedb and locate, they both just say "file name databases". |
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| 20:13.39 | mud | xmms has good library for music? |
| 20:13.39 | rhalff | hi, whenever backspace produces weird characters in the console, is there any way to remove those characters ? |
| 20:13.44 | flawd | I am trying to get quakeforge to work. It says Using PCM plughw:0,0. (newline) Received signal 11, exiting.. (newline) IN_Shutdown (newline) IN_LL_Shutdown (newline) VID_Shutdown (newline) Segmentationfault |
| 20:13.48 | rhalff | like I did: install_root: [/] ^[[A^[[A^?^?^?^?^? |
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| 20:13.56 | helix | mud: you don't know the name of the one you're using? |
| 20:14.01 | helix | mud: you might like rhythmbox... |
| 20:14.08 | Schnitz | i want /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc to be executed every time i login, everywhere, is putting s.th. like "source /etc/bash.bashrc" in /etc/profile the right way or is there a better one? |
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| 20:14.17 | xoz | buu: yeah, it creates a databases of text files. somehow, there might be memory leaks |
| 20:14.25 | cottus | thx |
| 20:14.28 | xoz | buu: you might have found a bug |
| 20:14.30 | mud | helix it came with gnome its called "music player" |
| 20:14.38 | helix | that's a brilliant name |
| 20:14.48 | xoz | buu: it should not bomb the entire linux unless... |
| 20:14.54 | biovirus | it says: " your session lasted less then 10 secs" And if I check the log, it says "protocol not supported by server" "cant open display" |
| 20:14.54 | mud | totally |
| 20:15.04 | asuffield | it's part of the gnome project to reduce all users to mindless drones |
| 20:15.08 | buu | xoz: Er, why the hell would updatedb care about the contents of the file? |
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| 20:15.33 | biovirus | I really want this to work :( |
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| 20:15.43 | asuffield | updatedb doesn't use any memory. it operates on-disk |
| 20:15.47 | asuffield | kinda has to, the database is fucking huge |
| 20:16.12 | xoz | buu: ah, yeah... it indexes only filenames... but maybe the filenames have garbage. im just guessing about the cause. |
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| 20:16.24 | biovirus | in many of the graphic settings i only press "enter", I leave them empty, cuz I dont know what to wright there |
| 20:16.25 | asuffield | nah, dead driver or dead hardware |
| 20:16.25 | cottus | i did exactly what apt just sent me in pm re: init runlevels and xdm, i removed xdm from system as well as update-rc.d -f xdm remove, and yet i still am booting up to xdm |
| 20:16.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:16.39 | xoz | buu: taking your system down by updatedb is really a bug |
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| 20:16.44 | asuffield | assuming it's not something obvious like reiserfs |
| 20:16.51 | Gnea | xoz: this has happened? |
| 20:16.52 | caoilte | hi, does anyone know any screen grab software for movie files in linux? |
| 20:16.56 | biovirus | cootus, are you talking to me? |
| 20:17.08 | cottus | biovirus> whoever sent me that /msg apt |
| 20:17.08 | buu | xoz: Well yeah |
| 20:17.11 | Schnitz | caoilte, import |
| 20:17.15 | Gnea | caoilte: totem |
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| 20:17.34 | helix | biovirus: btw, do this: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:17.44 | caoilte | thanks, is that a program called "import"? |
| 20:17.48 | mud | oh i guess i am using rythmbox |
| 20:17.54 | cottus | caoilte> import is a command |
| 20:17.55 | xoz | buu: linux kernel should just kill it if it has memory corruption. it needs memory for indexing... for large dirs, it will need large mem but it should not bomb your computer. what kernel are your using? |
| 20:18.03 | cottus | import -w root /path/to/your/screenshot.png |
| 20:18.05 | biovirus | ok, I'll try |
| 20:18.12 | Gnea | caoilte: import is part of the imagemagick suite |
| 20:18.21 | helix | biovirus: tell me what it says |
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| 20:18.40 | xoz | buu: can you try a different kernel or 2.4 vs 2.6 |
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| 20:19.09 | caoilte | ok thanks. i've tried using kde+gnome screen grab tools and they threw up blue screens. i'll try these too. |
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| 20:19.26 | ACiDC0re | which newsreader do you guys suggest for debian/linux ? |
| 20:19.26 | cottus | i am booting up to runlevel5 xdm, but i have removed xdm from system AND ran update-rc.d -f xdm remove, and i still am booting into runlevel5/xdm any thought? |
| 20:19.29 | biovirus | helix, it says 3.1 |
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| 20:19.35 | Gnea | caoilte: yeah, totem will do it right |
| 20:19.38 | helix | ok |
| 20:19.45 | xoz | ACiDC0re: apt-cache search news |
| 20:19.56 | helix | ACiDC0re: I use liferea, but it seems to randomly crash |
| 20:20.06 | helix | though I don't know of anything better |
| 20:20.18 | helix | oh wait |
| 20:20.22 | asuffield | all known news readers suck utterly |
| 20:20.29 | helix | that's not really a news reader |
| 20:20.34 | ACiDC0re | i used pan, but it takes very long to save the headers on large groups |
| 20:20.35 | biovirus | it says: " your session lasted less then 10 secs" And if I check the log, it says "protocol not supported by server" "cant open display" |
| 20:20.35 | helix | ACiDC0re: do you mean usenet stuff? |
| 20:20.36 | biovirus | <mud> totally |
| 20:20.38 | asuffield | it's an old problem with usenet |
| 20:20.38 | helix | ok |
| 20:20.40 | ACiDC0re | ya |
| 20:20.45 | biovirus | can someone help me? |
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| 20:20.54 | ACiDC0re | and crahes often |
| 20:20.54 | tony | helix, should biovirus try touch ~/.xsession chmod u+x ~/.xsession exec gdm? |
| 20:21.10 | helix | ACiDC0re: try slrn |
| 20:21.13 | biovirus | whats that? |
| 20:21.15 | helix | if you like console clients |
| 20:21.17 | helix | pan is too slow |
| 20:21.34 | helix | tony: dunno, I have no idea what's wrong with his stuff |
| 20:21.40 | asuffield | slrn has a really, really imaginative approach to character encoding |
| 20:21.49 | helix | heh |
| 20:21.51 | biovirus | before I installed gnome, everything worked |
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| 20:21.57 | asuffield | I don't believe I've ever seen such creative braindamage before |
| 20:21.58 | helix | biovirus: well, install kde |
| 20:22.00 | asuffield | or since |
| 20:22.07 | biovirus | whats kde? |
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| 20:22.08 | helix | asuffield: what do they do with character encoding? |
| 20:22.20 | helix | biovirus: actually, forget about kde. |
| 20:22.30 | biovirus | ok |
| 20:22.39 | tony | biovirus, maybe apt-get install xfce |
| 20:22.41 | buu | Hmph |
| 20:22.44 | buu | helix: Ratpoison! |
| 20:22.51 | biovirus | whats xfce :P? |
| 20:22.52 | helix | ratpoison has a wanker for a maintainer |
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| 20:22.56 | WiFiTux | Is there another OS that runs over Linux? |
| 20:22.59 | buu | But it's a cool wm |
| 20:23.00 | torpet | hello |
| 20:23.07 | abrotman | WiFiTux: emacs |
| 20:23.10 | asuffield | helix: iconv everything from the wrong encoding to the wrong encoding. it does everything, from randomly using iso 8859-1 instead of the real source or destination, to swapping the source and destination |
| 20:23.15 | helix | hahahah |
| 20:23.17 | helix | oh wow |
| 20:23.18 | buu | xoz: Er, yeah, I can |
| 20:23.27 | helix | that is pretty braindamaged |
| 20:23.41 | WiFiTux | abrotman, say who? |
| 20:23.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it was a joke |
| 20:24.07 | asuffield | I'm always impressed by an application that comprehends neither the encoding of the source data nor the terminal, yet iconvs stuff anyway |
| 20:24.14 | asuffield | but slrn really takes it to another level |
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| 20:24.19 | biovirus | couldn't find xfce |
| 20:24.24 | helix | I'm fascinated |
| 20:24.25 | war- | Anyone know where I can grab more KDE desktop/backgrounds? using debian sarge |
| 20:24.30 | WiFiTux | abrotman, :| guaca guaca... |
| 20:24.32 | sinister | hi |
| 20:24.38 | cottus | kdelook |
| 20:24.44 | biovirus | any swed in here? |
| 20:24.47 | war- | cottus: k thx. |
| 20:24.49 | buu | war-: The internet. |
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| 20:24.54 | xoz | biovirus: apt-get install xfce... then, type startxfce |
| 20:25.03 | buu | While I' |
| 20:25.06 | rilat | good afternoon |
| 20:25.09 | biovirus | ok, I'll try |
| 20:25.22 | helix | war-: you might try kdelook.org or whatever it is |
| 20:25.25 | tony | biovirus, i think its xfce4 |
| 20:25.28 | buu | While I'm asking silly questions, anyone have a guess as to why the "Starting MTA" line when I boot is taking over 2 minutes? |
| 20:25.32 | sinister | vosotos hablan espanhol? |
| 20:25.49 | biovirus | xoz, it didnt work |
| 20:25.50 | helix | sinister: you don't even speak spanish |
| 20:25.55 | helix | wtf is that |
| 20:26.04 | torpet | is there a way to debianize kernel-module sources? |
| 20:26.13 | rilat | Is there any file to store xterm setup that is load automatically when opening an xterm? (background color, fonts, etc) |
| 20:26.20 | helix | rilat: .Xresources |
| 20:26.28 | torpet | is module-assistant the right tool for this problem? |
| 20:26.33 | xoz | buu: probably your MTA is waiting for server from the other end to acknowledge? |
| 20:26.35 | rilat | helix thx |
| 20:26.44 | sinister | I am from Brasil |
| 20:26.44 | buu | xoz: Er, but I set it up as a purely local box I think |
| 20:26.45 | Schnitz | rilat, xdefaults or s.th. like that |
| 20:26.46 | helix | buu: are you connected to the intarweb |
| 20:26.47 | biovirus | How can I get rid of gnome ? |
| 20:26.50 | helix | when it does that? |
| 20:26.55 | helix | biovirus: don't bother getting rid of it |
| 20:26.57 | Schnitz | biovirus, apt-get remove gnome |
| 20:26.58 | xoz | buu: what mta? |
| 20:27.07 | helix | probably exim |
| 20:27.09 | Schnitz | and then cry because every gFOO proggy is not working anymore |
| 20:27.12 | biovirus | helix, it worked before I installed gnome |
| 20:27.14 | rilat | Schnitz: ok i'll check on man |
| 20:27.22 | Schnitz | rilat, don't do that...better not |
| 20:27.22 | helix | biovirus: the gnome installation is not the problem here |
| 20:27.23 | sinister | No speak inglisk |
| 20:27.27 | biovirus | ok |
| 20:27.35 | tony | biovirus, u never had a desktop before |
| 20:27.35 | helix | sinister: #debian-br |
| 20:27.36 | biovirus | maybe the gdm ? |
| 20:27.41 | helix | no, not the gdm |
| 20:27.47 | biovirus | I've never used linux before |
| 20:28.02 | sinister | thank!!! |
| 20:28.38 | buu | xoz: Yeah exim4, the default |
| 20:28.44 | tony | biovirus, stay with it ur learn, loads, and its fun |
| 20:28.44 | biovirus | Windows is my thing, but it's to easy :P I wanted a challange, but this is starting to get more challanging that I wanted |
| 20:28.54 | biovirus | ok |
| 20:28.54 | xoz | buu: and check if your /etc/hosts contain proper ip hostname entry. |
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| 20:29.20 | biovirus | and it takes like 5 min to start deb. too |
| 20:29.27 | buu | xoz: Er, by proper do you mean a specific entry or just that the format is correct? |
| 20:29.28 | biovirus | on my slow comp |
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| 20:29.43 | ttindi | buu: set 'minimaldns' to 1 i.e. true |
| 20:30.01 | cottus | biovirus> sadly on my multiboot system, deb is the slowest starter too |
| 20:30.04 | xoz | buu: make sure your hostname and its ip address is listed. |
| 20:30.05 | mogorman | can anyone help me solve dep problem, just setting those values to = did not sove it |
| 20:30.08 | helix | biovirus: this is a laptop, right? |
| 20:30.14 | buu | xoz: Ok |
| 20:30.36 | biovirus | no |
| 20:30.56 | helix | oh |
| 20:30.57 | asuffield | those who curse the AC frequently find themselves being pelted with ice cubes |
| 20:30.59 | biovirus | An old 300mhz, 96 Mb 6gb hdd computer it is :P |
| 20:31.10 | biovirus | an old school comp. |
| 20:31.19 | helix | ice! |
| 20:31.23 | helix | ice would be welcome |
| 20:31.33 | biovirus | a hammer too |
| 20:31.45 | buu | helix: Move to chicago =[ |
| 20:31.48 | helix | biovirus: did you read anything about setting up your video card before installing debian? |
| 20:31.49 | biovirus | cuz Im getting angry :P |
| 20:31.55 | helix | I assume you didn't |
| 20:32.01 | biovirus | true :P |
| 20:32.04 | p2-mate | or antartica |
| 20:32.07 | CyzarX | how to change the xxx in cyzie@xxx$ ??? |
| 20:32.16 | biovirus | where can I read that? |
| 20:32.17 | asuffield | helix: if you're too hot, then remove clothing :P |
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| 20:32.26 | helix | I tried that |
| 20:32.32 | xoz | wheres the cam? |
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| 20:32.44 | biovirus | where can i read about setting up me video card then? |
| 20:32.49 | helix | suff has stolen it to videotape the 12yo asian girls next door to him |
| 20:32.52 | biovirus | my* |
| 20:32.55 | tony | helix, where are located for it to be hot ? australia? |
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| 20:33.03 | helix | tony: florida |
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| 20:33.23 | biovirus | helix, where can I read that? |
| 20:33.32 | helix | biovirus: well, you would have to google. I have no idea. |
| 20:33.32 | biovirus | setting up my video card |
| 20:33.36 | biovirus | ok |
| 20:33.40 | tony | just left there a few weeks ago from port canaveral |
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| 20:33.59 | helix | tony: florida is not exceptionally warm atm, but my room is because of electronics and stuff |
| 20:34.05 | asuffield | helix: so remove more clothing or something :P |
| 20:34.07 | mastergoon | hi again; anyone have the problem where when you try to start X it says that /etc/X11/X is missing? |
| 20:34.11 | helix | leave me alone you perv |
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| 20:34.20 | asuffield | why? |
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| 20:34.37 | mastergoon | ooh i think i figured it out, nm |
| 20:34.41 | hogballs | does anyone in here have the sound blaster audigy live drive and the Infrared remote controller working in here? |
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| 20:34.49 | helix | or don't |
| 20:34.51 | helix | whatever |
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| 20:34.57 | biovirus | helix, what was It I should wright to see what video card I have ? |
| 20:35.04 | helix | stop. saying. wright. |
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| 20:35.09 | HeatHawk | ohiyo |
| 20:35.12 | xoz | lspci biovirus |
| 20:35.15 | biovirus | what should I say then? |
| 20:35.16 | biovirus | ok |
| 20:35.24 | biovirus | shall* |
| 20:35.29 | johaBBa | what is it when http://url.com/dir/file.php works but http://url.co/dir asks you to download something? |
| 20:35.31 | helix | xoz: he already knows what video card he uses |
| 20:35.42 | hogballs | does anyone in here have the sound blaster audigy live drive and the Infrared remote controller working in here? |
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| 20:35.53 | HeatHawk | im runnin sarge, and it looks like this 2.4.27-2 kernel dosnt have high mem support turned on (says i have 990 megs instead of 1024), do any of the stock debian kernels support it |
| 20:35.59 | tony | hogballs, alsaconfig |
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| 20:36.09 | asuffield | helix: nothing perverted about it anyway, this is perfectly normal harassment |
| 20:36.14 | Blissex | hogballs: wait at least 5 minutes before repeating a question, especially if they are stupid |
| 20:36.16 | helix | yeah, I know |
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| 20:36.25 | helix | but I have to respond by calling you a perv, don't you know the drill by now? |
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| 20:36.59 | Print_Server | how do I reconfigure xserver so that I can get a highe screen resolution? |
| 20:37.00 | Blissex | HeatHawk: IIRC high memory support and the 1GB patche are different concepts... |
| 20:37.17 | asuffield | why do you have to do that? it's like something out of a bad TV series :P |
| 20:37.20 | tony | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:37.28 | Blissex | HeatHawk: the 1GB patch should not be in the default kernel because it does not work with some older BIOSes. |
| 20:37.38 | thomas_adam | I wonder why serial console doesn't work with an initrd... works fine without, though. |
| 20:37.50 | Print_Server | ok |
| 20:37.51 | Blissex | HeatHawk: but the high mem functionality probably is all standard Debian kernels, but I dont really know. |
| 20:37.55 | tony | Print_Server, ^ |
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| 20:38.01 | helix | asuffield: well, there is being predictable, and there is an inside joke; they are sometimes the same thing, but one is fun and the other isn't |
| 20:38.18 | hogballs | in kde control panel;remote controls , under the periphials. says the daemon isnt started and when i tell it to it dont. no errors or anything. |
| 20:38.28 | HeatHawk | Blissex, well, the kernel has 2 high mem levels, one for up to 4 gig, and the other is like 32 or something |
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| 20:38.50 | flawd | I am trying to get quakeforge to work. It says Using PCM plughw:0,0. (newline) Received signal 11, exiting.. (newline) IN_Shutdown (newline) IN_LL_Shutdown (newline) VID_Shutdown (newline) Segmentationfault |
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| 20:39.04 | abrotman | isn't there a quake channel? |
| 20:39.07 | asuffield | helix: uhh, yeah, very female of you, I understood maybe one word in five :P |
| 20:39.09 | HeatHawk | i just need the first one for my 1 gig, but you dont know which kernel has it eh? |
| 20:39.17 | helix | asuffield: that's because we're bonding! |
| 20:39.23 | Print_Server | thanks |
| 20:39.25 | asuffield | eew |
| 20:39.28 | xoz | eew |
| 20:39.29 | Blissex | HeatHawk: I think that's another story. If you have 1GB and you are only seeing 990KB, then just accept that. |
| 20:39.38 | helix | awww, c'mon |
| 20:39.41 | dmp_ | s/kb/mb? |
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| 20:40.02 | saax_ | hey, i instal netinst CD image, with Debian base but i stuck there where asked me for another install from cd rom or ftp ,http..coz i cant conect to network what should i do now?? |
| 20:40.14 | HeatHawk | Blissex, nah, i want to run top speed :) |
| 20:40.35 | streuner_ | saax_: have you verified the CD vis md5sum? |
| 20:40.37 | xoz | saax_: netinst CD was made for those with internet :) |
| 20:40.50 | saax_ | yes i have conection |
| 20:41.06 | saax_ | but i cant conect i try wit http and ftp |
| 20:41.35 | xoz | saax_: was your card detected? |
| 20:41.35 | streuner_ | saax_: what kind of i-net connection do you have? |
| 20:41.45 | saax_ | adsl |
| 20:41.45 | cottus | if you cant connect you dont have connection |
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| 20:41.55 | saax_ | im coneted right now |
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| 20:42.14 | streuner_ | saax_- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 20:42.36 | saax_ | :o |
| 20:42.41 | streuner_ | saax_: that's not what we meant, we meant have you a working connection with debian |
| 20:42.49 | enrique | hola |
| 20:42.54 | biovirus | I've now removed gnome and gdm, I wonder if it works now |
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| 20:43.12 | Blissex | HeatHawk: let me put it this way -- your ambition and your wisdom are on a diverging path... |
| 20:43.27 | biovirus | yes it works |
| 20:43.29 | saax_ | yes i did i called to my network service when debian asked me for ip but operator didnt know |
| 20:43.37 | biovirus | Im gonna try, just installing gnome, not gdm |
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| 20:44.00 | saax_ | so he gave me some ip 196.168.1.1 |
| 20:44.01 | biovirus | WTF! |
| 20:44.06 | biovirus | it works!!! |
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| 20:44.19 | biovirus | I just removed gnome and gdm, and now it works? |
| 20:44.23 | Sero | Does anyone know an alternative to gdesklets or any good widgets I can install. |
| 20:44.32 | cottus | gkrellm |
| 20:44.32 | helix | where is my cat |
| 20:44.36 | cottus | dockapp |
| 20:44.37 | mwilson_ | grrr |
| 20:44.41 | cottus | dockapps are cool |
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| 20:44.56 | asuffield | helix: bringing you a present |
| 20:45.12 | helix | I think he's sleeping under the bed |
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| 20:45.19 | streuner_ | saax_: debian installer (d-i) should find the router/gateway in most cases |
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| 20:45.28 | HeatHawk | Blissex, nice suttle way of puttin you think i am a noob. But no worries, i am far from it, and if it comes to it, ill just compile my own kernel like i normally end up doin! |
| 20:45.29 | saax_ | but he didnt |
| 20:45.44 | streuner_ | saax_: ok, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:45.55 | cottus | besides, n00bies spell it "subtle" |
| 20:45.59 | manas | Hi. I have P4/865GBF. On board sound. Running sarge. i810_audio loads correctly (dmesg output). All applications using /dev/dsp find it, and work without complaint. However, I can't hear a thing. Have faced a problem like this before. It is because the hardware mixer setting mute the channels on boot up. However, I can't seem to unmute them. Help. |
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| 20:46.25 | asuffield | helix: observation #1: cats are intelligent. #2: you are looking for him. postulate: he is sleeping. conclusion: he is *hiding* |
| 20:46.27 | streuner_ | apt, hey |
| 20:46.28 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, hey is almost for horses |
| 20:46.36 | helix | cats rule |
| 20:46.40 | streuner_ | saax_: /msg apt interfaces |
| 20:46.45 | cottus | fuck cats |
| 20:46.46 | ACiDC0re | tried alsamixer mans ? |
| 20:46.50 | thomas_adam | oneko. |
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| 20:47.14 | helix | why would he hide from me though? |
| 20:47.16 | manas | ACiDC0re: alsamixer gives a wierd output. let me get it for you. |
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| 20:47.31 | asuffield | helix: because you're looking for him, and he wants to sleep |
| 20:47.39 | helix | he usually sleeps on my lap though :( |
| 20:47.47 | asuffield | ahh, oneko. the author of that has good taste |
| 20:47.50 | cottus | perhaps he is tired of you raping his little cat body |
| 20:47.52 | abrotman | helix: did you spank the cat? |
| 20:48.18 | xoz | cats have no sense of loyalty |
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| 20:48.24 | helix | abrotman: no way |
| 20:48.24 | pureone | mmmm cat spanking |
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| 20:48.35 | cottus | xoz> cats sell you out for anyone with a dish of food |
| 20:48.40 | helix | I bought him special food and he went to hibernate after he ate it |
| 20:48.40 | Blissex | manas: usually it is better by now to use ALSA, unless you are using an ancient 3.0 kernel. |
| 20:48.49 | xoz | see |
| 20:48.58 | pureone | my cats loyal it will always come sleep by my feet |
| 20:49.05 | biovirus | does it exict something like msn messenger to debian ? |
| 20:49.09 | helix | my cat just hates everyone but me |
| 20:49.11 | biovirus | exist* |
| 20:49.13 | helix | he's smart |
| 20:49.20 | cottus | my dog will protect our cat and our bird, our cat doesnt give a shit about anyone, little bastard. fuck cats |
| 20:49.23 | xam | helix: hibernate? you mean coma? |
| 20:49.26 | pureone | apt-cache search amsn |
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| 20:49.42 | biovirus | does someone know? |
| 20:49.46 | xam | helix: what did you put into that food? |
| 20:49.48 | manas | ACiDC0re: I have removed it. However when it runs, alsaconf appends to modules.conf. However all operations return an error about some snd_ctl or some module not being present. I am not on alsa now, the mixer is still muted. I was unable to unmute them in slackware, I can't do that here. |
| 20:49.52 | helix | dead animals |
| 20:49.55 | biovirus | if it exist something like MSN mess. to linux ? |
| 20:50.06 | helix | biovirus: amsn, I think |
| 20:50.11 | cottus | biovirus> are you looking for an im? |
| 20:50.13 | dmp_ | kopete, gaim. |
| 20:50.14 | helix | biovirus: I think gaim does it too |
| 20:50.16 | cottus | use gaim |
| 20:50.17 | manas | Blissex: how do I find out if I am on alsa or OSS or what not? |
| 20:50.17 | travisat | biovirus: bitlebee |
| 20:50.20 | cottus | gaim does msn |
| 20:50.23 | cottus | i use it right now |
| 20:50.28 | Blissex | manas: ha! |
| 20:50.37 | biovirus | wich one is the best and easiest? |
| 20:50.43 | cottus | gaim is fine |
| 20:50.47 | biovirus | k |
| 20:50.47 | cottus | kopete is fine too |
| 20:50.50 | cottus | i like gaim |
| 20:50.51 | xam | helix: doesn't sound too bad. was is fresh at least? |
| 20:50.53 | TheBlueWizard | how do I determine whether the 'whatis' database is rebuilt? someone is asking me that question |
| 20:50.55 | biovirus | how do I get gaim ? |
| 20:51.00 | helix | xam: no |
| 20:51.05 | chealer | biovirus: apt-get install gaim |
| 20:51.05 | cottus | apt-get isntall gaim |
| 20:51.08 | biovirus | k |
| 20:51.09 | ACiDC0re | hm well, i compiled alsa as discribed on the page |
| 20:51.09 | biovirus | thx |
| 20:51.10 | TheBlueWizard | saax_: lay it off |
| 20:51.11 | manas | ACiDC0re: correction. I 'was' able to unmute them on slackware |
| 20:51.18 | Blissex | manas: if it is 'i810_audio' and '/dev/dsp' it is surely OSS. ALSA driver module names begin with "snd-" |
| 20:51.22 | xam | helkx |
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| 20:51.32 | ACiDC0re | and got no probs |
| 20:51.43 | hogballs | in debian, dont i just type in dpkg -i *.rpm to make a .deb file? |
| 20:52.22 | biovirus | my internet on the linux comp, doesn't work |
| 20:52.22 | manas | Blissex: I am on 2.6.8-1 686 kernel. It installed OSS by default. How can I swith to alsa. apt-get install alsa is enough? |
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| 20:52.25 | travisat | hogballs: erm no |
| 20:52.26 | xam | helix: I think your cat is disappointed by the quality of your food and looks for s.o. else to feed it |
| 20:52.36 | helix | :( |
| 20:52.48 | cottus | i think your cat, like every other cat, doesnt give a shit anout anything |
| 20:52.50 | biovirus | odd, I can download things with the apt, but when i use the browser, it can't find anything |
| 20:52.51 | hogballs | well what is the proper command to make the .deb file |
| 20:52.56 | hogballs | out of a rpm |
| 20:53.04 | travisat | cats give a shit about food |
| 20:53.06 | cottus | hogballs> didnt know you could do that |
| 20:53.08 | helix | hogballs: apt-get install alien |
| 20:53.09 | luulis | hogballs: you'd need alien to make .debs out of rpm packages, though it's better to just use a debian package if available |
| 20:53.10 | chealer | bootlogd doesn't work with "ioctl(/dev/ttyzf, TIOCCONS): Bad file descriptor" (I'm using udev) What is /dev/ttyzf supposed to be (I don't have it)? |
| 20:53.17 | xoz | do you know the reason why most men like dogs and women like cats? |
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| 20:53.24 | manas | ACiDC0re: are you on 2.4.xx ? |
| 20:53.34 | hogballs | oh ya i forgot |
| 20:53.36 | hogballs | alien |
| 20:53.42 | ACiDC0re | 2.6.11.3 |
| 20:53.52 | hogballs | ya debian package isnt available |
| 20:54.04 | ACiDC0re | alsa works fine here |
| 20:54.09 | chealer | biovirus: what browser? |
| 20:54.09 | ACiDC0re | in kernel |
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| 20:54.49 | manas | I avoid kernel recompiles as much as I can. But here goes.... |
| 20:55.17 | cottus | i avoid dancing naked in gay bars wearing white curly wigs, but here goes... |
| 20:55.25 | biovirus | chealer, mozilla |
| 20:55.33 | dmp_ | cottus > /dev/null ;) |
| 20:55.38 | helix | aha, max was not in my room; no wonder |
| 20:56.10 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.35 | chealer | biovirus: mozilla is "the" browser? what does mozilla not find? |
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| 20:56.39 | Henning | That's one file |
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| 20:56.59 | manas | cottus: what was that for? sorry if what I said sounded that bad. |
| 20:57.05 | xam | helix: max? nice name (it's my name) :) |
| 20:57.08 | hogballs | oh hell that is one long file |
| 20:57.14 | helix | yeah |
| 20:57.20 | helix | he was sleeping by a window |
| 20:57.21 | biovirus | chealer, every webpage, like google |
| 20:57.22 | Henning | hogballs: If you use Sarge it should be part of "libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2:" |
| 20:57.27 | Henning | Erm, without the trailing : |
| 20:57.35 | cottus | manas> no you are fine, i just am feeling frisky |
| 20:57.41 | xam | helix: at least he's alright |
| 20:57.50 | chealer | biovirus: does your APT have internet access working? |
| 20:58.12 | biovirus | how do you mean? |
| 20:58.30 | xoz | hogballs: it's in libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package |
| 20:58.44 | Schnitz | is anyone here that uses a map-scheme script that discovers the network automatically |
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| 20:58.58 | hogballs | oh cool thx i was stuck out on that first one apt-getting it |
| 20:59.03 | petemc | Schnitz: ifplugd tries to do that |
| 20:59.04 | chealer | biovirus: is APT fetching packages from internet? |
| 20:59.09 | Schnitz | 192.168.10.0/24 is at work and 192.168.123.0/24 is at home |
| 20:59.11 | cottus | november> why irc as root? not smart |
| 20:59.11 | mwilson | grrr, stupid irssi |
| 20:59.12 | Henning | november: Use an user account for irc :) |
| 20:59.19 | helix | mwilson: whoa, you switched clients? |
| 20:59.24 | Schnitz | so i could bring eth0 up with 192.168.123.130 and try to ping my router and if i have success i am at home |
| 20:59.27 | mwilson | helix: Sort of. |
| 20:59.34 | mwilson | helix: I'm trying it again. |
| 20:59.34 | Schnitz | would that maybe do the job or don't you think this is a good idea? |
| 20:59.38 | helix | good, good.. |
| 20:59.45 | mwilson | Not good. |
| 20:59.48 | mwilson | irssi sucks. |
| 20:59.49 | helix | oh |
| 20:59.57 | helix | why? |
| 21:00.17 | mwilson | Multiple window support is obscure at best and there's no adequate documentation. |
| 21:00.18 | torpet | why?? |
| 21:00.25 | torpet | do you like bitchx more? |
| 21:00.35 | manas | can't something be done to make apt ask for CD's in a sequential order, and one CD only once? It gets to me sometimes, to put in 6 CDs in a random order, repeated a random number of times. |
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| 21:00.53 | hogballs | hey is /dev/midi in my fstab.conf file? |
| 21:01.04 | cottus | only you know hogballs |
| 21:01.07 | torpet | fstab.conf??? |
| 21:01.12 | cottus | cat /etc/fstab |
| 21:01.12 | hogballs | hahaha |
| 21:01.27 | mwilson | Damned irssi.org is inaccessible again. |
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| 21:01.33 | Henning | hogballs: No, definatly not. |
| 21:01.42 | Henning | Nor is it supposed to be there. |
| 21:01.44 | helix | mwilson: what do you need help with? |
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| 21:02.05 | hogballs | my /dev/midi live drive device failed. not sure what to do now. |
| 21:02.42 | Topclass | does anyone know of a list of laptops debian can be installed on? trying to find out if a aspire 1681LCI would work or not |
| 21:02.55 | pureone | http://www.jaywalking.us/404.shtml |
| 21:02.58 | cottus | just try it |
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| 21:03.14 | helix | Topclass: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 21:03.25 | mwilson | helix: Hm? Oh, I'm trying to make it have two windows, one for each server I'm attached to, and then switch between channels in those windows. However, since there's neither an easy way to ask it what you've changed, nor an easy way to UNDO what you've changed, I end up deleting its configuration and restarting rather than undoing my screwups. |
| 21:03.30 | xoz | Topclass: i think it should... try it |
| 21:03.47 | petemc | Topclass: stick linux laptop into google, you'll get a few sites that list various models |
| 21:03.57 | helix | mwilson: ah. hm, that sounds complicated. split screen is fairly easy, dunno about that other stuff.. |
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| 21:04.06 | Topclass | k will have to give it a try then |
| 21:04.17 | pipeline | Topclass: Just about any laptop will work |
| 21:04.22 | pipeline | Topclass: And pretty much no wireless will work. |
| 21:04.34 | manas | I just saw a source compilation package manager for debian today. Still in Beta. Wonderful. It tracks source compiles and can remove them at a later date, even after you have chucked the sources. Anything similar already available? |
| 21:04.34 | pipeline | Topclass: Any laptop you buy, you can count on it working with linux and you can count on its wireless card being a waste of money. |
| 21:04.35 | mwilson | helix: Its multiple server support is arguably much better than epic, but getting there is painful. |
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| 21:04.49 | cafuego | if you want a working unix laptop, get a Mac. |
| 21:04.52 | pipeline | manas: Uh, apt-src? |
| 21:04.52 | helix | mwilson: yeah, could be -- I don't remember configuring irssi, I just know it's great now |
| 21:04.52 | mwilson | manas: What's it good for? |
| 21:04.59 | Topclass | oh i guess the wireless in a centrino would not work either then? |
| 21:05.02 | pipeline | cafuego: OS X is a joke. If you get a mac, run linux on it. |
| 21:05.06 | manas | no no no. |
| 21:05.13 | mwilson | pipeline: OS X is hardly a joke. |
| 21:05.14 | cafuego | pipeline: OSX works very very well, thankyou. |
| 21:05.15 | petemc | the wireless in a mac doesnt work with linux |
| 21:05.20 | pipeline | Topclass: Actually, centrino wireless is more or less working. Some people have been very successful with the intel drivers. |
| 21:05.37 | mwilson | <sigh> I should just go back to using epic |
| 21:05.50 | petemc | tho you didnt say linux, so fair enough |
| 21:05.54 | helix | mwilson: epic is a step down |
| 21:05.56 | hogballs | Unable to initialize Live!Drive unit at device /dev/midi |
| 21:06.04 | pipeline | mwilson, cafuego: Let's see, mediocre X, awful desktop interface, substantially slower than all other competing OS's, decrepit filesystem format, bizarre binary format, absolutely insane filesystem hierarchy. What did I miss? What about lol one butan? |
| 21:06.04 | mwilson | helix: I don't find it to be so. |
| 21:06.06 | Topclass | well i only have the net install cds so i guess i would find out pritty quickly :D |
| 21:06.14 | helix | your taste in software is questionable :P |
| 21:06.25 | cafuego | pipeline: Have a USED one recently? |
| 21:06.30 | petemc | pipeline: bunkum, im using osx right now and its great |
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| 21:06.33 | mwilson | helix: <shrug> That's why there are choices in the world. |
| 21:06.35 | pipeline | cafuego: Yes. The interface is positively awful. |
| 21:06.44 | manas | If you install, lets say apache. configure, make, make install. You chucked the sources. Now you want to upgrade. You need to chuck the binaries and conf and meatadata installed during make install. Sometimes you make make uninstall, but not if you lost the sources. This thing is to the recue. |
| 21:06.47 | pipeline | cafuego: It's like fucking NeXT's bloody corpse. |
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| 21:07.01 | helix | pipeline: did os x eat your children? |
| 21:07.02 | cafuego | pipeline: *that* is highly subjective, so I'll disregard that. |
| 21:07.02 | mwilson | manas: And I'd be installing apache from source because...? |
| 21:07.03 | pipeline | manas: That's what apt's source support is for, manas. |
| 21:07.06 | biovirus | I don't get it, I can't activate my network |
| 21:07.19 | biovirus | it's inactive all the time |
| 21:07.19 | helix | biovirus: what's wrong with it? |
| 21:07.27 | pipeline | cafuego: Alright. How about something less subjective: Fitt's law is a load of crap with respect to the single menubar. |
| 21:07.27 | helix | but aren't you using it right now? |
| 21:07.32 | biovirus | I cant activate it |
| 21:07.40 | Schnitz | petemc, ifplugd just discovers if there's a link...not in what subnet or whatever i am |
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| 21:07.53 | manas | pipeline: hmm, so apt-source actually can track upstream virgin packages which I compiled and remove them at a later date? |
| 21:07.53 | pipeline | cafuego: On a 1024x768 screen with multiple applications, NeXT-style context menus are much more efficient from an ergonomic standpoint. |
| 21:07.55 | cafuego | pipeline: See, i find it has a NICE interface, that apps allw ork, it runs non-shit apps and its gfx performance FAR beats Linux gfx performance on ppc hardware. |
| 21:07.58 | biovirus | Im on a different comp |
| 21:08.06 | pipeline | manas: You get the source through apt, you compile the source through apt, you install the source through apt. |
| 21:08.35 | pipeline | cafuego: That's a driver issue, which will no doubt be resolved in the future. |
| 21:08.41 | cafuego | pipeline: Wtf is wrong with the single menubar? Are you just not used to it and getting confused? |
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| 21:09.03 | helix | I can't believe you guys are having a wankfest about os x |
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| 21:09.05 | cafuego | pipeline: I don't think so. it's been shit for nigh on half a decade. |
| 21:09.12 | mwilson_ | *I* didn't bother. |
| 21:09.13 | petemc | Schnitz: sounds like a job for dhcp |
| 21:09.21 | pipeline | cafuego: No, I simply hate it. It was great on a single-tasking, 512x384 screen. It was extremely convenient and extremely easy to use. |
| 21:09.24 | Schnitz | we have dhcp at home and at work |
| 21:09.26 | manas | pipeline: that is not the whole point of the system. If you are trying beta systems. If you compiled latest versions for performance reasons, or if you use packages not in upstream releases, it is very difficult to remove them afterwards. |
| 21:09.30 | pipeline | cafuego: With a dozen or more apps on a 17" screen, it's a hideous joke. |
| 21:09.33 | Schnitz | but at work i have a static ip adress and at home i use dhcp |
| 21:09.48 | cafuego | pipeline: So you do in fact not have a useful oninion on it one way or the other. That's fine, just don't infect others. |
| 21:09.58 | Topclass | is it fairly easy to set up a webserver with php and mysql in linux i have done it with windows but was just wondering? |
| 21:09.59 | pipeline | cafuego: A "useful opinion" would be one that agreed with you. |
| 21:10.09 | Schnitz | so i thought about giving me my static work adress, try to ping a server that's always runnig and if i succeed i see that i'm at work |
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| 21:10.16 | Schnitz | and if it doesn't succeed i'm at home |
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| 21:10.23 | biovirus | now it works! |
| 21:10.24 | mwilson_ | pipeline: While a useful one to YOU would be one that agreed with YOU. |
| 21:10.31 | biovirus | i just needed to restart X system |
| 21:10.34 | Schnitz | because i don't want to switch network profiles manually |
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| 21:11.08 | pipeline | cafuego: There are certainly things I like about OS X. The Mac version of Office is *great*. Probably the best spreadsheet I've ever used in my life. Multi-column finder is a nice file manager, even if the brushed-metal thing is ugly. |
| 21:11.11 | Schnitz | and i just search a certain command that can check what networks and/or subnets are aviable or something like that |
| 21:11.31 | Schnitz | because bringing up the interface because you want to decide about what config to use is kinda scary |
| 21:11.32 | biovirus | does it exist any really good software firewall for linux ?? |
| 21:11.43 | pipeline | mwilson_: I did not assert that cafuego's opinion is meaningless or useless. |
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| 21:11.51 | helix | biovirus: yes, but it's not the same as windows stuff at all |
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| 21:11.55 | cafuego | biovirus: iptables, comes with every kernel. |
| 21:12.07 | biovirus | what's it like then? |
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| 21:12.09 | helix | biovirus: you might want to install shorewall and read its documentation |
| 21:12.10 | pipeline | mwilson_: Poorly thought out, perhaps, but certainly not bad in and of itself. |
| 21:12.16 | biovirus | k |
| 21:12.18 | helix | biovirus: well, you don't just turn it on |
| 21:12.24 | biovirus | atp-get install shorewall ? |
| 21:12.28 | helix | yeah |
| 21:12.29 | biovirus | ok |
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| 21:13.27 | cess-pit | hello, from what configuration file should i start proftpd to start it in standalone mode when system boots? |
| 21:13.45 | xoz | what's nice with OS is that you can have GNU ports and mac s/w at the same time |
| 21:13.54 | xoz | OS X |
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| 21:14.23 | cafuego | xoz: But it has no right-click! ;-) |
| 21:14.44 | xoz | cafuego: it has. just use any three-button mouse. |
| 21:14.52 | cafuego | xoz: silly bigots will always find something wrong with it and just harp on about it. |
| 21:15.09 | cafuego | xoz: Yeah, we do, here. |
| 21:15.15 | pipeline | I'd rather live without the mac ports in exchange for not having to deal with OSX's horrendous desktop. |
| 21:15.40 | xoz | cafuego: comparing the price, ibook sells at lower price than ibm compats but it has better h/w specs |
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| 21:15.59 | biovirus | say any good IRC program to linux |
| 21:15.59 | pipeline | xoz: W-hat. |
| 21:16.05 | mwilson | Gods, this feels SO much better |
| 21:16.22 | biovirus | is there any good IRC program for linux ? |
| 21:16.23 | pipeline | xoz: The iBook is competitive, but it's by no means "better h/w specs". It's just cheap. |
| 21:16.27 | mwilson | pipeline: But you don't *have* to deal with it. |
| 21:16.29 | pipeline | biovirus: There's at least five or six good ones. |
| 21:16.35 | biovirus | say one |
| 21:16.35 | cafuego | biovirus: They all suck in different ways. |
| 21:16.37 | pipeline | mwilson: Thank god not, as linux/PPC is pretty mature these days. |
| 21:16.42 | biovirus | just say one |
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| 21:16.45 | pipeline | biovirus: irssi and xchat are pretty good. |
| 21:16.45 | cafuego | biovirus: irssi |
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| 21:16.49 | biovirus | k |
| 21:16.58 | biovirus | atp-get install irssi ? |
| 21:17.00 | mwilson | pipeline: No, you don't have to deal with it *at all*. YOU are the one who bought a Mac. No one held a gun to your head. |
| 21:17.00 | green_earz | cess-pit: run dpkg-reconfigure proftpd to pick standalone mode |
| 21:17.08 | citral | irssi-text itis |
| 21:17.29 | cess-pit | green_earz: i compiled proftd frome source code |
| 21:17.45 | cafuego | cess-pit: why? |
| 21:17.47 | xoz | pipeline: well, if you don't like the gui, you can always run X in OS X rootless mode and have all GNU programs running. |
| 21:17.58 | mwilson | pipeline: The fact that you bought a Mac, given your OS X antipathy, shows a lack of proper research on your part. |
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| 21:18.18 | pipeline | mwilson: No, I abandoned the mac thing a while ago. |
| 21:18.22 | wam | Hi TheBlueWizard |
| 21:18.32 | TheBlueWizard | hi wam :) |
| 21:18.43 | pipeline | mwilson: I had used macs quite a lot as a student, considered buying one, picked up a PC notebook and ran FreeBSD instead. |
| 21:18.46 | cess-pit | cafuego: there is a bug in it with one of our russian characters, i had to change source code |
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| 21:19.02 | cafuego | cess-pit: That's that source debs are for. |
| 21:19.05 | pipeline | mwilson: I decided that I could get more bang for my buck with a PC laptop, as it was substantially lighter at the same price/performance point. |
| 21:19.18 | wam | Do I know what I'm doin, TBW? |
| 21:19.23 | pipeline | mwilson: It just sickens me to see people recommend OS X as the ultimate UNIX desktop. |
| 21:19.44 | mwilson | pipeline: Then don't pay attention to it. |
| 21:19.48 | TheBlueWizard | wam: just type anything...as long as it does not begin with a /, you'll do fine |
| 21:19.49 | citral | it's not so untrue |
| 21:20.02 | cess-pit | cafuego: i'm new to debian and linux at all, what is source debs |
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| 21:20.22 | cafuego | cess-pit: It's a tarballs with a set of rules for creating a debian apckage. |
| 21:20.28 | simonrvn | source package is what you get when you do say apt-get source foo |
| 21:20.31 | RyanBonaparde | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Woody on my Dell Inspiron 1100 notebook. I've installed it without a problem but whenver I try to start the XServer if gives me this error: "Fatal Error: no screen found." I'm pretty positive that I have my screen information correct, except for the card. |
| 21:20.43 | xoz | pipeline: between OS X+GNU vs windows+linux, ill go with OSX running X and GNU at the same time. you got all apps in both domains |
| 21:20.44 | cafuego | cess-pit: So if you need to change a bit of course, use the source deb, compile it and instalkl your custom package. |
| 21:20.45 | citral | OSX pretty rocks, particulary for people who don't want to undersand anything to computers, but just want a desktop |
| 21:20.45 | pipeline | mwilson: I'm a crabby fuck. I can't ignore it in #debian. This is a channel explicitly dedicated to Debian. As such, I reserve the right to defend and promote Debian. |
| 21:20.54 | MarcoPau | would esp ghostscript be gs-esp? |
| 21:21.06 | chealer | RyanBonaparde: did you consider using sarge? when was that laptop manufactured? |
| 21:21.08 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:21.17 | pipeline | xoz: I don't like the windows desktop either. I'd rather run windows applications through wine on my Gnome desktop. |
| 21:21.24 | cess-pit | cafuego: where can i download this code |
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| 21:21.36 | mwilson | pipeline: I've run Linux on PPC. I no longer run Linux on PPC. Hell, I no longer run Linux on anything other than x86. There are SO many better alternatives. |
| 21:21.54 | pipeline | xoz: That was actually a major issue with OSX for me -- I couldn't encapsulate Aqua applications within the X environment, so I couldn't have a full gnome environment. |
| 21:22.00 | xoz | pipeline: still, running windows app, OS X app is much better |
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| 21:22.18 | RyanBonaparde | chealer: I haven't used surge, I'm using dialup so my downloading is _very_ limited. My laptop was manufactured Oct2003. |
| 21:22.26 | pipeline | mwilson: Well, at the time I was considering a PPC notebook, the Pentium M was not yet available, which weighed in its favor. |
| 21:22.40 | pipeline | mwilson: Also, of the various linux ports, PPC is by far the best supported. |
| 21:22.51 | xoz | pipeline: gnome and kde are running well within Xserver of OS X... you can have Xserver from fink or opendarwin. |
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| 21:23.02 | chealer | RyanBonaparde: what's the GPU? |
| 21:23.03 | pipeline | xoz: Yes, but I can't run Aqua apps inside the gnome desktop. |
| 21:23.12 | mwilson | xoz: You might have noticed that wasn't his complaint. |
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| 21:23.24 | pipeline | xoz: Which defeats the purpose of having Aqua apps at all. At that point, I might as well run Linux/PPC and not have to deal with OSX's lousy performance. |
| 21:23.26 | RyanBonaparde | chealer: What's GPU? or are you saying CPU? |
| 21:23.41 | chealer | RyanBonaparde: your video card |
| 21:23.47 | RyanBonaparde | Oh. |
| 21:23.50 | simonrvn | graphics procesing unit. he's using it incorrectly |
| 21:23.55 | simonrvn | s |
| 21:24.00 | chealer | :| |
| 21:24.04 | xoz | pipeline: why? you can run X rootless mode and wont notice whether which window manage you are using. |
| 21:24.13 | RyanBonaparde | chealer: Intel I845GL chip... I think. |
| 21:24.13 | helix | pipeline: get off it dude |
| 21:24.28 | pipeline | xoz: X rootless mode dumps me back at the aqua desktop, which I loath. |
| 21:24.42 | simonrvn | @spell loath |
| 21:24.48 | ravenbird | 'loath' may be spelled correctly |
| 21:24.49 | mwilson | loathe |
| 21:24.50 | xoz | pipeline: you just dont know how to configure it... |
| 21:25.01 | mwilson | loath means "unqilling" |
| 21:25.02 | simonrvn | !kill ravenbird |
| 21:25.07 | mwilson | unwilling, even |
| 21:25.08 | pipeline | xoz: That is not true. You are simply not listening to me. |
| 21:25.15 | mwilson | loathe means hate |
| 21:25.19 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:25.21 | pipeline | mwilson: I had intended to say "I am loath to do" |
| 21:25.22 | cafuego | yopu should do like i did 10 mins ago, just ignore the moron. |
| 21:25.30 | pipeline | Crap, I've lost the crown of pedantia. |
| 21:25.37 | green_earz | cess-pit: have a look at man apt-get it will go so thing like apt-get source proftpd |
| 21:25.38 | pipeline | helix: Yes, that would be wise. /ignore me. |
| 21:25.41 | simonrvn | you never had it |
| 21:25.42 | xoz | pipeline: anyway, OS X is pretty flexible if you know how to play with it. |
| 21:25.44 | helix | pipeline: or I can +q you |
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| 21:26.07 | pipeline | helix: That you could. Or you could go the whole way and ban me. Threats are pointless. |
| 21:26.18 | helix | just stop wanking about stupid os x in here |
| 21:26.19 | cafuego | Ooh, this new passport has weird face recogition stuff in it |
| 21:26.25 | helix | that goes for the rest of you too |
| 21:26.29 | pipeline | xoz: Heh, well, when you find a way to run Aqua apps in X, let me know. Because that would be cool. |
| 21:26.40 | cafuego | !scratch helix |
| 21:27.09 | simonrvn | the bot is dead |
| 21:27.11 | xoz | pipeline: so far, i don't see the need to. what for? |
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| 21:27.16 | cafuego | long live the bot! |
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| 21:27.23 | helix | xoz: enough os x talk, ok? |
| 21:27.27 | xoz | ok |
| 21:27.44 | simonrvn | go to #osx or #opendarwin if you wanna talk about it |
| 21:27.53 | cess-pit | green_earz: thanks a lot |
| 21:28.01 | green_earz | np |
| 21:28.19 | chealer | RyanBonaparde: check http://www.orangetraining.de/jochen/AcerTM233XC/ it says it is supported with the vesa driver, although quite limited |
| 21:28.23 | simonrvn | apt: it's 10, not the letter x. as in roman numeral |
| 21:28.29 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^ |
| 21:28.35 | dmp_ | OS XI then |
| 21:28.50 | chealer | cafuego: is the bot back?! |
| 21:29.01 | RyanBonaparde | chealer: Thanks. I will try that. |
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| 21:29.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: no shit .. you think? |
| 21:29.21 | abrotman | god .. you must really think i'm stupid :) |
| 21:29.35 | cafuego | well, there is that... |
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| 21:30.18 | user01 | i have an asus a7v133 and i cant get 2nd IDE channel to work :( |
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| 21:30.41 | green_earz | cess-pit: and this link for runlevels may be handy > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html and one here for apt-get > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html |
| 21:30.44 | user01 | i have the most recent bios for it |
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| 21:30.46 | cafuego | user01: ANy chance the mobo is simply broken? |
| 21:30.57 | cups | alguem fala portuguÊs? |
| 21:30.59 | user01 | cafuego: noooo :( |
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| 21:31.04 | helix | cups: #debian-br |
| 21:31.08 | user01 | si |
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| 21:31.40 | kbrooks | Hi. |
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| 21:31.53 | cafuego | user01: Make sure the 2nd channel is enabled in the bio,s plug in a known-good cable and cdrom, boot, check bios. |
| 21:32.05 | cafuego | user01: If it still sees nothing, i expect it's broken. |
| 21:32.12 | user01 | cufuego: how come the dma detects it? |
| 21:32.18 | kbrooks | hey freenode staff ;) |
| 21:32.48 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:32.48 | user01 | cafuego: ultra dma detects it bios doesnt :( |
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| 21:33.04 | cups | somebody speak Portuguese? I've a problem: My cups don't print! |
| 21:33.06 | kbrooks | heh |
| 21:33.12 | helix | cups: #debian-br |
| 21:33.22 | dmp_ | I bet leaking cups are worse |
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| 21:33.23 | cafuego | user01: probably disabled in the bios OR you have the devices on the second bus set to disabeld. |
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| 21:33.26 | dmp_ | leave sticky rings on your desk |
| 21:33.29 | simonrvn | cups: /join #debian-br |
| 21:33.36 | Vegar | how do I load modules with arguments on boot? like modprobe bttv card=2 radio=1 |
| 21:33.46 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 21:33.50 | cups | Thanks |
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| 21:34.01 | helix | I can find out about aliens! |
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| 21:34.02 | Vegar | simonrvn: I just add "bttv card=2 radio=1" in there? |
| 21:34.13 | simonrvn | man modules |
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| 21:34.17 | cafuego | helix: They live in volcanoes. Italiy must be full of them. |
| 21:34.22 | user01 | cafuego: where would they possible be disabled? |
| 21:34.26 | johaBBa | anyone have php4 working with apache in debian woody? |
| 21:34.27 | helix | max is back |
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| 21:34.40 | Vegar | simonrvn: thanks |
| 21:34.43 | cafuego | johaBBa: Yes, everyone who runs i. |
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| 21:35.06 | saax_ | its me again he cant find dhcp protocol so what should i do type manual? |
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| 21:35.24 | johaBBa | cafuego, well, i my apache logs report PHP is enabled, but php files are downloaded instead of parsed. any helpful ideas? |
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| 21:35.46 | simonrvn | @php |
| 21:35.47 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in http.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from http.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: ... |
| 21:35.49 | cafuego | johaBBa: Yep. |
| 21:36.12 | cafuego | johaBBa: You need to get the mime type right for .php files. |
| 21:36.56 | johaBBa | cafuego, this? AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 21:37.02 | cafuego | johaBBa: *nod* |
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| 21:37.21 | user01 | cafuego: i dont even see an option in the bios to disable secondary ide |
| 21:37.21 | johaBBa | cafuego, ok...i have that and have restarted apache....it still not parsing for me. |
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| 21:37.32 | chealer | johaBBa: your files must be executable |
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| 21:37.38 | cafuego | johaBBa: Actually, no. |
| 21:37.40 | cafuego | chealer: liar. |
| 21:37.47 | chealer | oh |
| 21:37.53 | green_earz | Vegar, check out modconf it will let you add module arguments |
| 21:38.10 | cess-pit | green_earz: thanks |
| 21:38.14 | johaBBa | ? |
| 21:38.26 | cafuego | Hold on, let me dig up mine :-) |
| 21:38.28 | simonrvn | chealer: they do not. only for XBitHack On |
| 21:38.28 | green_earz | cess-pit: all the best |
| 21:38.34 | johaBBa | cafuego, thanks |
| 21:38.42 | cafuego | johaBBa: Actually, quit your browser and try again, first. |
| 21:38.43 | chealer | simonrvn: uh, what's that? |
| 21:38.47 | goron | How can I load automatically execure .jnlp files in my browser(now I am using Mozilla, but any will do as long as it works)? |
| 21:38.56 | goron | execure->execute |
| 21:39.16 | simonrvn | chealer: apt-get install apache[2]-doc |
| 21:39.26 | user01 | cafuego: would something have been disabled automatically if a drive on that channel failed? |
| 21:39.35 | cafuego | user01: Not normally. |
| 21:39.43 | johaBBa | cafuego, also i'm using apache 1.3.x on woody |
| 21:39.56 | cafuego | johaBBa: Actually, quit your browser and try again, first. |
| 21:40.03 | johaBBa | hrm...ok |
| 21:40.06 | cafuego | johaBBa: It may just be caching. |
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| 21:40.56 | xam | helix: is this your cat: http://www.funnyjunk.com/p/0027-jpg.html ? |
| 21:41.01 | johaBBa | cafuego, nope...still trying to download |
| 21:41.13 | johaBBa | cafuego, http://server/index.php works, tho |
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| 21:41.52 | cafuego | johaBBa: Which one does not work, then? |
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| 21:42.04 | helix | xam: that just redirected me to some free xbox site |
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| 21:42.17 | dmp_ | didnt here |
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| 21:42.21 | johaBBa | cafuego, http://server/ tries to download the index.php; doesn't parse. however, http://server/index.php works. |
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| 21:42.38 | streuner_ | xam: haha |
| 21:42.39 | johaBBa | cafuego, i have this set too: DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.htm index.shtml index.cgi |
| 21:42.50 | xam | helix: really? damn, sorry ... try this one: http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/0027.jpg |
| 21:43.05 | biovirus | I've got a problem, I downloaded xchat for debian, i386. But when I should start it, it said: could not show "directory"/"filename" |
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| 21:43.19 | helix | nah, my cat stays sober |
| 21:43.22 | biovirus | it's a .deb file |
| 21:43.23 | pipeline | biovirus: Did you install xchat with "apt-get," or did you download it from x.org? |
| 21:43.31 | pipeline | biovirus: no, no, no you don't do that with debian |
| 21:43.39 | pipeline | biovirus: You don't go out on the internet looking for packages, you use apt |
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| 21:43.44 | biovirus | i downloaded it from www.debian.org |
| 21:43.47 | biovirus | uhu? |
| 21:43.48 | xam | helix: like that one: http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/another_cute_kitty.jpg ? |
| 21:43.52 | Pan01 | how do u do modulo in bc? |
| 21:43.54 | pipeline | biovirus: Use apt for everything. |
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| 21:44.04 | pipeline | biovirus: For example, "apt-cache search xchat" to find the name of an xchat package |
| 21:44.11 | pipeline | biovirus: And then "apt-get install <name>" to install it |
| 21:44.11 | biovirus | aha |
| 21:44.15 | biovirus | aha |
| 21:44.17 | biovirus | thx |
| 21:44.21 | biovirus | I'll try it |
| 21:44.24 | caphuso | Pan01: isn't it "%"? |
| 21:44.37 | Pan01 | thanx |
| 21:44.49 | cafuego | johaBBa: that's very odd. Can you kill apache completely? stop it first, then check for any left-over processes with ps, then restart it. |
| 21:45.03 | johaBBa | cafuego, i'll do you one better. i'll reboot it. |
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| 21:45.32 | cafuego | That's a bit of a hack-n-slash maybe-solution though. |
| 21:45.47 | biovirus | do I need to get out of the x system to ""wright"" apt-cache searc xchat ? |
| 21:46.02 | biovirus | search* |
| 21:46.10 | kbrooks | no |
| 21:46.15 | kbrooks | open a xterm |
| 21:46.22 | citral | biovirus: lauch xhatever *term you have (e.g. gnome-terminal) |
| 21:46.22 | Delph | ye gods. *hands over a copy of ubuntu* |
| 21:46.36 | kbrooks | Delph: oh cut it |
| 21:46.37 | biovirus | that doesn't work |
| 21:46.42 | helix | xam: yeah, like that :) |
| 21:46.49 | biovirus | it says command not found |
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| 21:46.53 | biovirus | I check my spelling |
| 21:46.54 | helix | biovirus: argh, stop saying wright |
| 21:47.08 | johaBBa | cafuego, still downloading after reboot... |
| 21:47.17 | johaBBa | i'm baffled.... |
| 21:47.22 | Delph | kbrooks: what? at some point debian isn't suitable for new users. |
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| 21:47.36 | biovirus | ohh, sorry, My spelling :P |
| 21:47.39 | citral | ohhhhh... the troll.... |
| 21:47.44 | kbrooks | Delph: don't troll, please. |
| 21:47.46 | biovirus | helix, what shall i say then?? |
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| 21:47.58 | helix | biovirus: type, write |
| 21:48.09 | xoz | english 101 |
| 21:48.15 | simonrvn | biovirus: "write", "right", "wright". look up each in a dictionary |
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| 21:48.32 | citral | I sout it werre rite |
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| 21:48.42 | biovirus | opps |
| 21:48.45 | biovirus | sorry |
| 21:48.51 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:48.53 | helix | biovirus: what's your native language? |
| 21:48.53 | biovirus | my english suck :P |
| 21:48.53 | cafuego | Delph: When someone has clearly already installed it.. |
| 21:48.59 | biovirus | Im from sweden |
| 21:49.11 | kbrooks | hmmm cool |
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| 21:49.30 | cafuego | johaBBa: Smack it with a hammer. |
| 21:49.33 | kbrooks | i installed gom |
| 21:49.36 | kbrooks | gpm |
| 21:49.48 | biovirus | are you all from US ? |
| 21:49.53 | xoz | biovirus: is english taught in school? how long is it? |
| 21:49.57 | citral | non |
| 21:49.58 | cafuego | biovirus: take that back or else |
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| 21:50.13 | gazzu | how can I set users for my web site, to alow the designer to make the changes by updating thrug the Internet? |
| 21:50.44 | citral | gazzu: install ssh |
| 21:50.53 | kbrooks | i want xfce. all of it. what package do i apt up |
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| 21:51.14 | cafuego | kbrooks: xfce4 or xfce |
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| 21:51.44 | biovirus | I got well let's say 2/3 in grades at english, hope you understand :P |
| 21:51.53 | kbrooks | cafuego: "all of it" |
| 21:52.05 | kbrooks | cafuego: is xfce4 a meta package? |
| 21:52.06 | cafuego | kbrooks: Does that not pull in all of it for you? |
| 21:52.07 | tony | cafe_roy, xfce4 |
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| 21:52.19 | citral | maybe he means apt-get install xfce4* |
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| 21:52.50 | xoz | kbrooks: apt-cache show xfce4 |
| 21:52.50 | biovirus | I'll try joining this channel from my linux comp. |
| 21:52.50 | cafuego | citral: No, I meant 'xfce4' |
| 21:52.50 | biovirus | brb |
| 21:52.57 | cafuego | gazzu: Normally via ftp or webdav. |
| 21:52.57 | citral | cafuego: "he" meant kbrooks :P |
| 21:52.57 | tony | cafuego, apt-cache search xfce |
| 21:53.11 | cafuego | @reeducate tony |
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| 21:53.29 | Biosvirus | here I am :D |
| 21:53.30 | simonrvn | binarydigit: quite international here. just so happen to speak english in one form or another ;) |
| 21:53.35 | simonrvn | binarydigit: sorry |
| 21:53.40 | simonrvn | Biosvirus: quite international here. just so happen to speak english in one form or another ;) |
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| 21:53.46 | binarydigit | huh |
| 21:53.55 | Biosvirus | hehe, okay |
| 21:54.00 | cafuego | mwilson: it tends to run MUCH better on OSX ;-) |
| 21:54.01 | kbrooks | xfree86! i want xorg! |
| 21:54.11 | cafuego | kbrooks: ANy reason? |
| 21:54.12 | mwilson | kbrooks: Why do you think you need xorg? |
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| 21:54.14 | xoz | simonrvn: i thought you'll say everyone here speaks binarydigit |
| 21:54.15 | travisat | kbrooks: too bad |
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| 21:54.31 | Biosvirus | does it exist like, dc++ fort linux ? |
| 21:54.32 | kbrooks | because xfree876 has license problems |
| 21:54.35 | bofh666 | al acceder a un equipo en mi red lan la red se cae |
| 21:54.40 | kbrooks | and xfree86 is DEAD |
| 21:54.40 | simonrvn | xoz: well, yes. we're all typing from a computer aren't we? ;p |
| 21:54.45 | cafuego | Biosvirus: Yep |
| 21:54.45 | mwilson | kbrooks: In other words, you have no reason. |
| 21:54.49 | bofh666 | me refiero a los recursos compartidos, que puede ser? |
| 21:54.52 | Biosvirus | what's it called? |
| 21:54.55 | bofh666 | ups sorry |
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| 21:55.02 | cafuego | kbrooks: xf4.3.x has no licence problems. |
| 21:55.12 | kbrooks | cafuego: what do you mean |
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| 21:55.17 | simonrvn | kbrooks: if you rant, at least be correct |
| 21:55.21 | xoz | simonrvn: no, im using abacus computer |
| 21:55.28 | cafuego | kbrooks: I mean you didn't read the license that came with your cpoy of X. |
| 21:55.31 | simonrvn | @tell _root -about root |
| 21:55.35 | johaBBa | @php |
| 21:55.36 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in http.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from http.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: ... |
| 21:55.47 | kbrooks | cafuego: where is the license, then |
| 21:55.48 | mwilson | cafuego: It's more fun to rant about it without knowing what you're talking about. |
| 21:55.48 | cafuego | kbrooks: XF4.4 has the bad licence, XF4.3 doesn't. You have 4.3, not 4.4. |
| 21:55.50 | Mage_ | kbrooks: xfree isn't dead. |
| 21:55.55 | simonrvn | johaBBa: /msg $bot foo |
| 21:56.01 | Biosvirus | someone know what the dc++ version to linux is called? |
| 21:56.06 | mwilson | kbrooks: You mean you don't even know where it IS, but you're ranting about it? |
| 21:56.09 | torpet | are there debian packages for xfce 4.3 available on the net? |
| 21:56.19 | Mage_ | torpet: check apt-get.org |
| 21:56.49 | caphuso | wtf? |
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| 21:57.05 | cafuego | johaBBa: Do you have any sort of rewrite rules activated? Anything that might be interfering? |
| 21:57.13 | caphuso | # echo 13 5%p | dc |
| 21:57.14 | caphuso | 3 |
| 21:57.30 | mwilson | kbrooks: Go to xfree86.org, read the old license, read the new license, then decide whether to complain or not about what Debian is using. |
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| 21:57.45 | caphuso | # echo 6k13 5%p | dc |
| 21:57.46 | caphuso | 0 |
| 21:58.11 | cottus | how can i import new fonts with xfs? |
| 21:58.11 | johaBBa | cafuego, just install debian woody inside of qemu. installed apache, php4, then uncommented the module and AddType in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 21:58.18 | johaBBa | er, i just installed.... |
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| 21:58.23 | torpet | w00t. osworks.com... |
| 21:58.27 | mwilson | cottus: With xfs? You don't. Xfs is a font server. |
| 21:58.34 | dmp_ | and a filesystem ;) |
| 21:58.50 | cottus | mwilson> ok, then how do i get better fonts than the default fugly stuff? |
| 21:58.52 | cafuego | johaBBa: That's *weird* |
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| 21:58.59 | gazzu | cafuego: citral: I already seted this site www.anayapc.ath.cx, now I want to alow some one else to modify this site, I wonder if it is posible to set a system like profesional web servers do, like having a users area where administrators are abailable to modify whatever they want on the specific site |
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| 21:59.05 | Biosvirus | does someone know what the dc++ version to luinux is called??? |
| 21:59.08 | cafuego | johaBBa: Have you run an upgrade with stuff from security.debian.org yet? |
| 21:59.18 | mwilson | cottus: Install ones you think look better. |
| 21:59.20 | Biosvirus | linux* |
| 21:59.33 | mwilson | cottus: That's entirely subjective. |
| 21:59.34 | binarydigit | direct connect |
| 21:59.38 | johaBBa | cafuego, what's bad is that i have colo server running the same thing that is doing just fine....configs are damned near identical except for vhosts and servername in the colo. |
| 21:59.39 | cottus | mwilson> suggestions? |
| 21:59.54 | mwilson | cottus: None. |
| 22:00.04 | Space_Monkey | Biosvirus: try searching sourceforge.net for a dc client for linux |
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| 22:00.14 | Biosvirus | ok |
| 22:00.20 | cafuego | Biosvirus: it was 'dcplusplus' last time I used it. |
| 22:00.25 | johaBBa | cafuego, yep....apt-get -u upgrade before installing apache and php4 |
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| 22:00.40 | Biosvirus | ok |
| 22:00.43 | flawd | I have a disturbing situation. I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now it has stalled at: (sorry I am using swedish locale) "Installerar ny version av konfigurationsfilen /etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf ..." when installing openoffice.org-debian-files (1.1.3-5+1) . What should I do? Its been there for like 30 min now. What happens if I cancel it? |
| 22:00.46 | johaBBa | cafuego, just ran again....no updates |
| 22:00.47 | cafuego | gazzu: That requires a content management system on the site. |
| 22:00.57 | cafuego | johaBBa: Hmm. |
| 22:01.13 | gazzu | cafuego: citral: do you have an Idea where I can start reading about this? |
| 22:01.17 | cafuego | johaBBa: Any .htaccess files? |
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| 22:01.29 | johaBBa | hrm.... |
| 22:01.32 | citral | gazzu: of course it's possible, check a little bit on google to make yourself an idea of the way you'd like it. You could use https, ftp... |
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| 22:01.45 | superCow007 | how come some libraries have symbolic links from library.so.1 and library.so to library.so.VERSION? are both so.1 and .so necessary? |
| 22:01.51 | Biosvirus | i dont find it dc++ for linux anywhere :( |
| 22:01.56 | johaBBa | cafuego, nope. |
| 22:02.11 | cafuego | johaBBa: Is this server accessible from the net? Can you /msg me the url? |
| 22:02.33 | gazzu | cafuego: citral: thak you! you are very helpful !!! |
| 22:02.34 | johaBBa | cafuego, it's running inside qemu...can only get to it from this host |
| 22:02.37 | binarydigit | Biosvirus: use google |
| 22:02.40 | cafuego | johaBBa: poos. |
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| 22:02.58 | citral | gazzu: http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/2176771 |
| 22:02.59 | cafuego | !fgi Biosvirus linux+direct+connect+client |
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| 22:03.04 | johaBBa | cafuego, i give up....thanks for you help...but i'm going to get drunk and watch a Dirty Harry movie. |
| 22:03.06 | cafuego | @fgi Biosvirus linux+direct+connect+client |
| 22:03.08 | mastergoon | anyone know of a good mplayer package? |
| 22:03.08 | ravenbird | Biosvirus: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+direct+connect+client |
| 22:03.10 | flawd | please help me |
| 22:03.13 | cafuego | johaBBa: <heh> |
| 22:03.29 | cafuego | flawd: Sorry,w e can't. |
| 22:03.29 | brrrt | hello, i need help getting my dxr3 card to run, could anyone help please? |
| 22:03.36 | johaBBa | cafuego, but i do appreciate you trying to help me. |
| 22:03.41 | tony | mastergoon, try using beep-media-player |
| 22:03.42 | cafuego | @tell mastergoon -about mplayer |
| 22:03.52 | flawd | cafuego, :( |
| 22:03.53 | johaBBa | @tell johaBBa -about mplayer |
| 22:03.54 | mwilson | superCow007: Don't run around deleting random files, please. |
| 22:03.57 | mastergoon | thank you cafe_roy |
| 22:03.59 | mastergoon | err |
| 22:04.01 | mastergoon | cafuego |
| 22:04.06 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 22:04.09 | superCow007 | who said I was doing that? I am working on a broken makefile |
| 22:04.14 | cafuego | johaBBa: have fun with clint :-) |
| 22:04.45 | superCow007 | make only puts out library.so.. but the makefile is trying to copy library.so.VERSION to lib.. and then make links to library.so and library.so.1 |
| 22:04.48 | bboett | hello! wondering printing twopage stuff in on go, is it the job of dvips or of gs to set this up? |
| 22:05.14 | cafuego | flawd: I didn't see you ask a question. nobody can help you until you do. |
| 22:05.24 | superCow007 | library.so.VERSION doesn't exist, just library.so.. so I was wondering what the role of these various .so.XX files is |
| 22:05.30 | superCow007 | so I don't go deleting random files |
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| 22:05.55 | cafuego | superCow007: Multiple library versions, for backward compatibility. |
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| 22:06.23 | cafuego | superCow007: They'll have different sonames, so apps can be linked to a specific version. |
| 22:06.31 | Biosvirus | the only site i find is this one: http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/document.php?id=4 and it contain nothing |
| 22:06.36 | flawd | cafuego, I did |
| 22:06.40 | flawd | you missed it |
| 22:06.45 | flawd | I have a disturbing situation. I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now it has stalled at: (sorry I am using swedish locale) "Installerar ny version av konfigurationsfilen /etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf ..." when installing openoffice.org-debian-files (1.1.3-5+1) . What should I do? Its been there for like 30 min now. What happens if I cancel it? |
| 22:06.45 | cafuego | flawd: Can you repeat it? |
| 22:06.58 | cafuego | flawd: AH, just ctrl-c it. |
| 22:07.02 | flawd | and in desperation I just hit ctrl+c now |
| 22:07.20 | superCow007 | ahh.. that does make sense.. but.. what have symbolic links from library.so.VERSION to library.so and library.so.1? I see those a lot.. |
| 22:07.20 | cafuego | flawd: You can run 'dpkg --configure -a' to make it retry. |
| 22:07.53 | superCow007 | what have symbolic links = why have symbolic links |
| 22:08.07 | cafuego | superCow007: Those are links to set up a 'generic version' type thing, where an app can automagically be linked to the latest version. Those are set up by 'ldconfig' at booup. |
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| 22:08.39 | Biosvirus | hrm.. I got a little problem here :P when i press shutdown the computer, it just closes the X system, what do I write to close the terminal ? |
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| 22:09.07 | cafuego | Biosvirus: As root, type 'halt'. |
| 22:09.12 | Biosvirus | ok |
| 22:09.13 | Biosvirus | thx |
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| 22:09.17 | Biosvirus | i'll try it |
| 22:09.30 | superCow007 | I see.. the process is more complex than I thought.. this Makefile I am using makes the .so and .so.1 symbolic links itself.. |
| 22:09.31 | Biosvirus | bye everyone, thx for all the help :D |
| 22:09.40 | tony | Biosvirus, dont try it "do it" |
| 22:09.40 | karsten | helix: Your cat is in /bin/ |
| 22:10.09 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 22:10.22 | bocai2015 | hi |
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| 22:10.29 | yoo | is it easy to change Xfree86 for Xorg with debian sid ? |
| 22:10.34 | pipeline | yoo: No. |
| 22:10.41 | yoo | :( |
| 22:10.48 | pipeline | yoo: Why would you want X.org, anyway? |
| 22:10.54 | cafuego | yoo: Why do you think you need xorg? |
| 22:11.07 | yoo | becaue i'm real problem with 3D |
| 22:11.13 | cafuego | yoo: What video card? |
| 22:11.16 | yoo | and Xfree86 |
| 22:11.29 | yoo | and Nobody understand why ! |
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| 22:11.44 | yoo | i write to debian mail list |
| 22:11.54 | flawd | cafuego, yes I did manage to fix it in synaptic as I didnt know the apt-get syntax. thank you. I got freaked out and was worried my system would break if I interrupted it |
| 22:11.58 | yoo | and my problem is mysterious :) |
| 22:12.10 | bobesponja | I cant message dpkg |
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| 22:12.21 | karsten | What's with dpkg? |
| 22:12.26 | yoo | X crashes asfter start apparently when i active 3D |
| 22:12.28 | karsten | bobesponja: Yeah, the bot's down. Use 'apt'. |
| 22:12.29 | cafuego | flawd: Ok.. for future refercen, you can always interrupt it (I just wouldn't recommed it on a libc6 upgrade) :-) |
| 22:12.34 | fluor- | how can I check that ftps works with tcpdump? |
| 22:12.38 | yoo | nvidia |
| 22:12.41 | citral | \o/ |
| 22:12.42 | bobesponja | karsten: thx |
| 22:12.52 | mfergus | how do I manually edit the applications menu in gnome? (#gnome isn't answering) |
| 22:12.54 | cafuego | nvidia what |
| 22:12.54 | yoo | i ask on #nvidia and #xfree86 |
| 22:13.01 | bboett | hmm nobody here that might know how to print 2 latex pages on one papersheet? |
| 22:13.08 | yoo | geforce4 ti4200 |
| 22:13.16 | citral | bboett: look at a2ps |
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| 22:13.27 | cafuego | See, the nvidia driver for xorg is identical to the one for xfree86, so switching X servers isn't going to do much. |
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| 22:13.52 | bboett | hmm i allready have postscript? but i will look... |
| 22:14.03 | flawd | cafuego, ;( ok |
| 22:14.06 | flawd | ty |
| 22:14.08 | flawd | i meant ;) |
| 22:14.13 | cafuego | flawd: <heh> |
| 22:14.14 | kbrooks | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common |
| 22:14.17 | yoo | cafuego : ok |
| 22:14.24 | luulis | hm, where's the dpkg bot? |
| 22:14.34 | kbrooks | Why do I get that? What do I do? |
| 22:14.36 | cafuego | kbrooks: dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
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| 22:14.42 | kbrooks | ok |
| 22:14.45 | streuner_ | luulis: use apt instead |
| 22:14.48 | cafuego | luulis: we axe-murdered it |
| 22:15.00 | soth` | how do i get mysql to accept tcp/ip connections as well as socket connections? |
| 22:15.11 | cafuego | soth`: edit /etc/my.cnf |
| 22:15.12 | flawd | yoo, what do you mean with "activate 3d"? |
| 22:15.13 | mwilson | soth`: Configure it to? |
| 22:15.20 | yoo | well |
| 22:15.24 | bboett | ehm citral ?? a2ps doesn't like ps input, and the -s option produces 2 separate sheets anyway... |
| 22:15.25 | soth` | cafuego: there's no reference to it there |
| 22:15.28 | mwilson | soth`: This is, after all, why the package told you what to do when you installed it. |
| 22:15.38 | mwilson | bboett: When did a2ps stop liking PS input? |
| 22:15.41 | yoo | euh when i desactive 3D X don't crash |
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| 22:15.47 | bboett | at least here... |
| 22:15.54 | soth` | mwilson: there's no mention to it in the config file |
| 22:15.59 | bocai2015 | i have a problem about kde3.3 ? |
| 22:16.00 | citral | bboett: read the man page dude... |
| 22:16.11 | cafuego | soth`: Howso? |
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| 22:16.13 | mwilson | soth`: Except that there is, of course. |
| 22:16.13 | flawd | yoo, did you install the nvidia drivers as directed here: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html? |
| 22:16.20 | yoo | but when i active with nvidia instead of nv in device driver of Xfree86 |
| 22:16.21 | bocai2015 | i have a problem about kde3.3 |
| 22:16.23 | yoo | X crashes |
| 22:16.34 | flawd | yoo, crashes or wont load? |
| 22:16.36 | bboett | heh i allready have the problem that i don't know how to say print 2 pages on one sheet in english citral .... |
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| 22:16.44 | soth` | mwilson: nope, not in this conf, its only 4 lines, referring to data dir etc and socket file |
| 22:16.49 | karsten | ~tell yoo about nvidia |
| 22:16.52 | yoo | crashes |
| 22:16.54 | cafuego | soth`: /etc/mysql/my.cnf - sorry |
| 22:17.04 | flawd | yoo, is the module loaded etc? |
| 22:17.07 | karsten | yoo: /msg apt nvidia |
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| 22:17.50 | citral | bboett: that makes sense like you says it I suppose... you mean print two sheets on one <a4>paper. |
| 22:17.55 | yoo | flawd : yes |
| 22:18.12 | bboett | citral, yes on eahc side of the sheet... |
| 22:18.32 | bboett | my printer is able to do it, discovered recently whilst printing a pdf file... |
| 22:18.33 | citral | ah, I misunderstood then |
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| 22:18.50 | bboett | but i can't reproduce it with latex, dvips etc... |
| 22:19.04 | yoo | if somebody want to look my error file in #flood |
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| 22:19.31 | bboett | is there a terrminus for that? in french i say ret#cto-verso, there doesn't seem to be an english translation of that? |
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| 22:19.33 | karsten | yoo: /msg apt paster |
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| 22:19.41 | karsten | yoo: Better to paste to a website. |
| 22:19.59 | caphuso | #flood is better |
| 22:20.03 | Jarn | well, last night kuser foobarded my users, and i could only login as root. i got that sort of fixed now, but when i try and log in as a dif user, i get thos error: |
| 22:20.08 | yoo | LOOK |
| 22:20.18 | Jarn | Sound server fatal error: Could not retrieve user name from user id |
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| 22:20.38 | Jarn | and when i open up a console |
| 22:20.42 | superCow007 | I have a Makefile that is making symbolic links to /usr/lib/library.so and library.so.1.. should I let it do that, or should I rely on ldconfig to make the links? |
| 22:20.45 | Jarn | it says my user name is I have no name! |
| 22:20.49 | karsten | Gah. apt doesn't know paster. I thought bots knew each others factoids. |
| 22:20.49 | kromagg | Jarn: check what it did to /etc/password and /etc/shadow |
| 22:20.57 | caphuso | yoo: does it happen without the nvidia module loaded? |
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| 22:21.04 | karsten | superCow007: If it's not a Debian package, it should use /usr/local, not /usr |
| 22:21.10 | superCow007 | the man page for ldconfig is sparse |
| 22:21.25 | Jarn | jarn:x:1000:501:Jarn Firebrand:/home/jarn:/bin/bash |
| 22:21.29 | Jarn | isn't that right? |
| 22:21.29 | citral | bboett: first hit on google for "imprimer recto-verso linux" |
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| 22:21.33 | Jarn | in /etc/passwd |
| 22:21.35 | overdrive | hello ppl |
| 22:21.58 | superCow007 | so use /usr/local/lib and let the Makefile make its links? |
| 22:21.59 | bocai2015 | hello overdrive |
| 22:22.00 | yoo | i tried to install nvidia two thing différent |
| 22:22.02 | yoo | first |
| 22:22.06 | yoo | nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:22.07 | overdrive | hey bocai2015 |
| 22:22.07 | karsten | superCow007: Your library search path is set in /etc/ld<mumble> Sec. |
| 22:22.08 | yoo | two |
| 22:22.10 | yoo | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run |
| 22:22.14 | Jarn | kiN: I do not want free porn videos, don't message me again. |
| 22:22.17 | yoo | the two way are wrong |
| 22:22.25 | bocai2015 | Overand, i am a newbie here |
| 22:22.27 | mfergus | how do I manually edit the applications menu in gnome? (#gnome isn't answering) |
| 22:22.31 | chealer | yoo: how? |
| 22:22.33 | overdrive | i have a problem, i was compiled a kernel 2.6, but when i boot i obtain this error: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YQM6FF29.html |
| 22:22.38 | mwilson | mfergus: You don't. |
| 22:22.45 | bocai2015 | Overand, i come from china |
| 22:22.55 | bboett | citral, allready did that... got a lot of sstuff about twopage... which only sets the margins, but doesn't tell the printer to actually print twosided.... |
| 22:22.59 | karsten | superCow007: /etc/ld.so.conf. IIRC /usr/local/lib is included by default. |
| 22:23.04 | citral | !nvidia howto |
| 22:23.05 | mfergus | mwilson: Gnome won't let you add entries to the Applications menu ??? |
| 22:23.12 | citral | @nvidia howto |
| 22:23.12 | mwilson | mfergus: The Gnome people don't think you need to do that, so they don't provide a menu editor. |
| 22:23.13 | ravenbird | [nvidia howto] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Nvidia-OpenGL-Configuration/index.html |
| 22:23.19 | citral | bboett: ^^^ |
| 22:23.23 | overdrive | this is my lilo.conf: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5OGWfG57.html and this is my fstab: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/cqMQuG42.html |
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| 22:23.36 | Jarn | kromagg: is jarn:x:1000:501:Jarn Firebrand:/home/jarn:/bin/bash that what it's supposed to look like in /etc/passwd |
| 22:23.36 | caphuso | how to install the nvidia stuff isn't exactly helpful right now... |
| 22:24.00 | citral | ooops |
| 22:24.06 | bboett | ah but i am depressing over here over that detail.... |
| 22:24.07 | mfergus | mwilson: are they just a text file somewhere, or a directory of shortcuts? |
| 22:24.09 | superCow007 | ok, that works for me.. so this library that I will be installing into /usr/local/lib.. if I install it as library.so.VERSION will ldconfig automatically make links to library.so and library.so.1? or should the Makefile create those links? |
| 22:24.10 | overdrive | the binaries exists really, but don't found, and in the kernel i put options to ide hdd support and filesystems supports... |
| 22:24.20 | yoo | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx |
| 22:24.22 | yoo | cd /usr/src/linux |
| 22:24.25 | yoo | make-kpkg modules_image |
| 22:24.27 | mfergus | mwilson: or is it some type of cryptic hidden thing? |
| 22:24.33 | chealer | caphuso: what do you mean? |
| 22:24.39 | citral | bboett: you could read what I told you... lpoptions -o sides=two-sided-long-edge |
| 22:24.40 | yoo | two |
| 22:24.45 | karsten | overdrive: Sec, I'm looking |
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| 22:24.58 | yoo | apt-get install kernel-headers |
| 22:24.58 | mwilson | mfergus: It's some type of cryptic hidden thing. After all, Gnome knows better than you. They'll tell you so. |
| 22:25.04 | superCow007 | this would make a whole lot more sense if there was an overview of how dynamic libraries work in unix somewhere |
| 22:25.05 | citral | yoo: what exactly doesn't work? |
| 22:25.09 | caphuso | chealer: huh? |
| 22:25.12 | yoo | ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run |
| 22:25.14 | superCow007 | I am looking for comprehensive info.. the ldconfig manpage is too sparse |
| 22:25.14 | mfergus | mwilson: LOL... great... |
| 22:25.18 | gio | c'è qualcuno che parla italiano? |
| 22:25.20 | bboett | hmm didn |
| 22:25.22 | mfergus | mwilson: thanks for that info |
| 22:25.24 | bboett | 't find that one? |
| 22:25.25 | nostalg1c | has x.org been included in deb3.1 yet? |
| 22:25.32 | mwilson | mfergus: I think you think I'm joking. I'm deadly serious. |
| 22:25.40 | caphuso | nostalg1c: no, and it won't be. ever. |
| 22:25.43 | mwilson | nostalg1c: x.org will never be part of Debian 3.1 |
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| 22:25.51 | kromagg | Jarn: pretty much, does it display the same info in /etc/passwd- ? |
| 22:25.52 | yoo | citral : i have change a memory |
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| 22:25.57 | overdrive | karsten: ok, thanks :-) |
| 22:25.58 | citral | bboett: help yourself a little bit. damnit. |
| 22:25.59 | nostalg1c | should i interpret that as "debian 3.2 is out" ? :) |
| 22:26.05 | yoo | but when i restart X crashes |
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| 22:26.14 | mwilson | nostalg1c: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
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| 22:26.19 | yoo | so i rechange for my old memory |
| 22:26.24 | Jarn | kromagg: there is no /etc/passwd- |
| 22:26.25 | mfergus | mwilson: I believe you, |
| 22:26.27 | yoo | and X crashes also |
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| 22:26.30 | citral | yoo: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:26.37 | caphuso | hell |
| 22:26.40 | yoo | simpson kernel: scheduling while atomic: XFree86/0x00000001/5491 |
| 22:26.40 | kbrooks | GDM won't start. |
| 22:26.41 | Jarn | kromagg: is that bad? |
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| 22:26.47 | bboett | mouaf too funny citral .... BTW a2ps doesn't have that set of options... |
| 22:26.50 | nostalg1c | mwilson, nm that, i misread something obviously. |
| 22:26.51 | caphuso | yoo has problems with his KERNEL MESSING UP |
| 22:27.11 | yoo | citral : my Xfree86 is ok |
| 22:27.13 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.15 | caphuso | he's not going to fix that by doing random things like looking the in the X log, or reinstalling the nvidia driver |
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| 22:27.20 | kromagg | Jarn: heh I don't know |
| 22:27.24 | kromagg | Jarn: probably not |
| 22:27.33 | Jarn | kromagg: okay |
| 22:27.35 | bboett | and if those were options for lpd... i am down to using gs directly on /dev/lp0 since lpd and consorts ar e unable to use my printer... |
| 22:27.37 | kbrooks | wt f do i do |
| 22:27.38 | Jarn | kromagg: so how do i fix this |
| 22:27.40 | kbrooks | GDM won't start. |
| 22:27.44 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.48 | kbrooks | wtf do i do |
| 22:27.55 | caphuso | kbrooks: did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 22:28.00 | kbrooks | caphuso: no |
| 22:28.05 | caphuso | kbrooks: good. do it now |
| 22:28.17 | karsten | overdrive: Have you been able to boot this system previously? |
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| 22:28.43 | yoo | caphuso : what do you thing of change for Xorg |
| 22:28.50 | overdrive | karsten: yes, i can boot with 2.4 default kernel (bf24) |
| 22:29.00 | overdrive | but not in 2.6.x |
| 22:29.04 | yoo | simpson kernel: scheduling while atomic: XFree86/0x00000001/5491 |
| 22:29.11 | caphuso | yoo: did you read the stuff you pasted in #flood? |
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| 22:29.35 | yoo | simpson kernel: <6>note: XFree86[5491] exited with preempt_coun |
| 22:29.35 | yoo | t 1 |
| 22:29.41 | caphuso | yoo: your kernel errored out. it wasn't X, it wasn't something else. it was the kernel and nothing but the kernel |
| 22:29.44 | citral | bboett: read what I told you, http://fr.gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_R%C3%A9gler_CUPS_en_ligne_de_commande |
| 22:29.44 | kromagg | Jarn: what's the permissions on the passwd file? |
| 22:29.53 | karsten | overdrive: Are you using an initrd? |
| 22:30.00 | yoo | ok |
| 22:30.06 | citral | sorry for the gentoo link :P |
| 22:30.06 | Jarn | kromagg: how do i check? and what should they be? |
| 22:30.15 | caphuso | yoo: so, there's several reasons why it would do that. reason one: the nvidia module is messing up again |
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| 22:30.17 | overdrive | karsten: nope |
| 22:30.26 | caphuso | yoo: so, does it happen without the nvidia module being loaded or not? |
| 22:30.34 | kromagg | Jarn: ls -l /etc/passwd , should be readable to world but not writable except for root |
| 22:30.37 | caphuso | i.e. does it happen on an untainted kernel? |
| 22:30.38 | bboett | heh citral there's no way i could use cups or lpd.. they produce only gibberish.... |
| 22:31.03 | Jarn | kromagg: -rw------- 1 root root 1223 2005-03-20 16:14 /etc/passwd |
| 22:31.09 | karsten | yoo: Looks like you may not have ext3fs in your kernel. Is this stock or custom kernel? |
| 22:31.13 | bboett | never understood why BTW.... i feed lpd with a filter with the exact line i use directly, directly it works, lpd output is useless... |
| 22:31.15 | citral | bboett: what are you using? |
| 22:31.25 | Jarn | kromagg: what does that mean |
| 22:31.32 | caphuso | karsten: how exactly came you up with that masterpiece? |
| 22:31.33 | yoo | when i change the device drivers on Xfree for nv instead of nvidia |
| 22:31.33 | karsten | yoo: NM. |
| 22:31.34 | Jarn | kromagg: is that how it should be |
| 22:31.43 | yoo | the problem apparently disappears |
| 22:31.44 | bboett | gs directly citral |
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| 22:31.50 | karsten | overdrive: Looks like you may not have ext3fs in your kernel. Is this stock or custom kernel? |
| 22:32.05 | caphuso | yoo: good, there we got the culprit |
| 22:32.07 | karsten | overdrive: ...try setting 'ext2' for hdb2 in /etc/fstab, and reboot. |
| 22:32.11 | citral | ah, your printer speaks native postscript? |
| 22:32.23 | caphuso | yoo: the binary-only stuff fucks up again. report to nvidia and ask them to fix it |
| 22:32.30 | bboett | nope, but i can show you a sample produced with lpd and/or cups... |
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| 22:32.30 | kromagg | Jarn: no it should be readable to normal users. do: chmod go+r /etc/passwd (and read the chmod manpage :) |
| 22:32.36 | cafuego | yoo: So the conclusing is that the problem is the nvidia kernel module, not xfree86. |
| 22:32.37 | kromagg | Jarn: then logout and log back in |
| 22:32.39 | yoo | sorry but i'm french |
| 22:32.42 | Jarn | kromagg: okay |
| 22:32.50 | yoo | so i understand slowly :) |
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| 22:33.00 | pipeline | yoo: Consult the nvidia README in order to use nvAGP instead of AGPGART. And add the AGPGART module to your blacklist. |
| 22:33.02 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 22:33.13 | cafuego | yoo: Email the entire kernel crash to nvidia and tell them to fix the problem. |
| 22:33.29 | bboett | here found it :D -> citral? http://bboett.free.fr/scan.jpg that's what either cups or lpd produce... |
| 22:33.29 | yoo | ok |
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| 22:33.44 | Zuiden | hello i have a question |
| 22:33.47 | bboett | so i need ot find the gs option that does this... |
| 22:33.53 | karsten | ~tell Zuiden about ask |
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| 22:34.09 | Jarn | kromagg: I still got an error, a dif one this time though |
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| 22:34.32 | Jarn | Jasmine\17: I do not want porn videos. Leave me alone. |
| 22:34.46 | citral | bboett: vilain |
| 22:35.03 | bboett | hmm? why? |
| 22:35.14 | citral | I mean ugly, the output |
| 22:35.21 | karsten | overdrive: hdb2 is the only FS that can't be read. It's also the only ext3 fs. Try setting it ext2 in your fstab, ext2/3 are bidirectionally compatible. If it still won't mount, there's other stuff afoot. |
| 22:35.24 | bboett | ah ya that's the least i can say... |
| 22:35.27 | bboett | totally useless... |
| 22:35.29 | Zuiden | alright i was wondering if my Linksys USB Wireless Internet adapter is supported by Debian and i can just get by, by downloadin the Sarge NetInst |
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| 22:35.37 | bboett | that's why i use the gs command directly... at least that works.... |
| 22:35.38 | kromagg | Jarn: oh so what does it say? |
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| 22:35.44 | Jarn | kromagg: Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 22:35.57 | Mage_ | why do ati drivers suck so much ? <:o |
| 22:36.08 | pipeline | Mage_: Because nVidia dominates the market. |
| 22:36.16 | Jarn | Mage_: Because ATI doesn't care about Linux users. |
| 22:36.24 | pipeline | Mage_: The nvidia and ati drivers are just handmedowns from the GL card market (Quadro, FireGL) |
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| 22:36.37 | Mage_ | nvidia drivers are fine |
| 22:36.39 | pipeline | Mage_: Quadro sells a hell of a lot better to Linux users than FireGL, so ATI doesn't care very much about improving their drivers. |
| 22:36.44 | Mage_ | but I've bought an ati |
| 22:36.45 | Zuiden | the model number is WUSB11ver2.6 |
| 22:36.49 | Mage_ | and their drivers suck suck suck |
| 22:36.51 | Zuiden | and i believe the chipset is atmel |
| 22:36.51 | pipeline | Mage_: Which ATi? |
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| 22:36.58 | vampire | hi |
| 22:36.59 | Mage_ | 9800 pro |
| 22:37.02 | Jarn | Mage_: Yeah, it was so hard to get working. |
| 22:37.03 | Mage_ | saphyre edition |
| 22:37.15 | pipeline | Mage_: You're screwed. :| |
| 22:37.20 | Jarn | Mage_: It took me like 3 days and a ton of help to get my drivers working. I have a 9600 XT. |
| 22:37.21 | Mage_ | yeah :< |
| 22:37.33 | karsten | overdrive: also: you can go single-user and attempt further diagnostics. You on the box in question now? |
| 22:37.46 | karsten | overdrive: ...and I'm waiting for a response. Not /msg, BTW. |
| 22:37.47 | Mage_ | the make.sh don't work on a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:37.56 | vampire | is there any network configuration tool? |
| 22:37.57 | overdrive | karsten thats ok |
| 22:37.59 | overdrive | sorry |
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| 22:38.51 | bucky | vampire, etherconf works for ethernet cards |
| 22:39.06 | kromagg | Jarn: check the permissions on /etc/group first |
| 22:39.07 | Mage_ | time to sleep |
| 22:39.19 | kromagg | Jarn: should be the same as passwd |
| 22:39.20 | karsten | vampire: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:39.24 | Mage_ | 'night. |
| 22:39.26 | kromagg | Jarn: then check the permissions on /etc/dsp |
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| 22:39.35 | vampire | etherconf don't work |
| 22:39.36 | Zuiden | alright i was wondering if my Linksys USB Wireless Internet adapter is supported by Debian and i can just get by, by downloadin the Sarge NetInst, the model number of my linksys is wusb11 ver2.6 |
| 22:39.39 | Jarn | kromagg: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 648 2005-03-20 16:14 /etc/group |
| 22:39.42 | citral | bboett: I think you want psutils, look at http://f-hauri.ch/ImpressionSousLinux/ for pstobroch.sh |
| 22:39.50 | kromagg | Jarn: ah that's good |
| 22:39.55 | cafuego | Zuiden: I'm not sure if Linux supports any atmel hardware. |
| 22:39.56 | kromagg | Jarn: and /etc/dsp? |
| 22:40.01 | Jarn | kromagg: no, other |
| 22:40.04 | Jarn | kromagg: ls: /etc/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 22:40.07 | Space_Monkey | when is sarge expected to ship (roundabout) ? |
| 22:40.11 | cafuego | Space_Monkey: yes |
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| 22:40.14 | torpet | ^^ |
| 22:40.18 | bucky | vampire, is this for a ethernet card? |
| 22:40.18 | torpet | what about /dev/dsp |
| 22:40.36 | Space_Monkey | cafuego: yes ? |
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| 22:40.42 | Jarn | torpet: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-03-20 09:10 /dev/dsp |
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| 22:41.00 | Jarn | kromagg: there is no /etc/dsp, but there is /dev/dsp |
| 22:41.00 | kromagg | Jarn: ah oops yeah /dev/dsp :) |
| 22:41.02 | mogorman | man i want to mount /dev/dsp over network... |
| 22:41.08 | Poeloq | Hi |
| 22:41.10 | Jarn | kromagg: and /dev/dsp is crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-03-20 09:10 /dev/dsp |
| 22:41.23 | bboett | yah found that one too citral but this one still doesn not achieve the 2 sided printing... |
| 22:41.25 | kromagg | Jarn: you should be in the audio group to access it |
| 22:41.26 | pipeline | mogorman: You can use esd for that sort of thing. And there's another way too, but I can't remember what. |
| 22:41.33 | Jarn | kromagg: Ah. |
| 22:41.34 | Sero | Has anyone in here ever used BBDock? |
| 22:41.36 | kromagg | Jarn: type "groups Jarn" |
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| 22:41.42 | Poeloq | I have a problem with my IceWM: the alt gr key doesnt work. In Gnome (WM: metacity) it works. |
| 22:41.49 | Jarn | kromagg: jarn : jarn |
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| 22:42.03 | Jarn | kromagg: how do I add him to a group |
| 22:42.21 | kromagg | Jarn: with adduser, adduser Jarn audio |
| 22:42.25 | kromagg | Jarn: then logout and back in |
| 22:43.09 | Jarn | kromagg: are there any other groups it's necessary to be in? |
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| 22:43.33 | WiFiTux | Will Mini-CD's work in a Car Sony CD player? |
| 22:43.37 | WiFiTux | hhmm I wonder.. |
| 22:43.49 | flawd | WiFiTux, debian mini-cd's? :D |
| 22:43.51 | WiFiTux | i don't think so |
| 22:43.53 | cafuego | WiFiTux: If it's a slot-loader, no. |
| 22:43.55 | directhex | WiFiTux, probaly not. read the manual, probably tells you not to put them in under any circumstances |
| 22:43.57 | flawd | sid creditcard isntaller? |
| 22:43.57 | WiFiTux | flawd, music |
| 22:44.00 | kromagg | Jarn: whenever you want to access some device and you can't, just check what group it belongs to |
| 22:44.03 | flawd | WiFiTux, damn heh |
| 22:44.14 | flawd | would be mich more fun with debian installer cd in it |
| 22:44.16 | cafuego | WiFiTux: You might be able to use them with a minicd adapter. |
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| 22:44.27 | WiFiTux | directhex, yeah, I was of course with the impression, but what da heck, maybe? :) I don't think so |
| 22:44.40 | Jarn | kromagg: okay |
| 22:44.44 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ahh yeah, that sounds like. |
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| 22:44.49 | kromagg | Jarn: some configurations have a group "video", might be handy to be in there for opengl applications |
| 22:44.55 | WiFiTux | thanks |
| 22:45.12 | WiFiTux | citral, hey, found anything about the Hax0r boot? |
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| 22:45.22 | Jarn | kromagg: okay |
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| 22:45.49 | suzzi__ | any one know if there is a way to 'mount' and ftp server so that it looks like a folder that you can copy to and from? |
| 22:46.02 | citral | didn't have the time, was on party first :) |
| 22:46.14 | Jarn | kromagg: and are there any others? |
| 22:46.17 | cafuego | suzzi__: I'm sure someone, somewhere has written an 'ftpfs' imprmentation. |
| 22:46.46 | citral | ~\o 100 people in one appartment o/~ |
| 22:46.47 | suzzi__ | cafuego: well off to see what google drags up. thanks |
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| 22:47.23 | superCow007 | when I specify gcc -lfoo - where does gcc go to find the library foo? does it search certain folders or call upon some sort of library manager program? how does it know whether it wants foo.so or foo.so.1 if both exist? |
| 22:47.52 | kromagg | Jarn: all depends, if you ever get permission denied on anything check your permissions on it |
| 22:47.57 | dmp_ | ldconfig is the answer |
| 22:48.36 | superCow007 | I read the ldconfig manpage.. it is kinda lean |
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| 22:49.09 | deadcat_ | shit. my pbbutonsd died for some reason and cant start it. now my ibook is not sleeping. |
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| 22:49.57 | superCow007 | I know ldconfig tracks libraries based on version and architecture.. but how do other programs interact with this directory that ldconfig builds? |
| 22:50.03 | Jarn | kromagg: why can't i edit this one folder's permissions with konqueror? its in a root konqueror |
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| 22:50.22 | Jarn | kromagg: it is grayed out... |
| 22:50.38 | kromagg | Jarn: what folder is it? |
| 22:50.40 | Vexer | :( where's dpkg? |
| 22:50.47 | Jarn | kromagg: /home/shared |
| 22:50.50 | superCow007 | gcc -lfoo - for example.. does that use the ld.so.cache ? |
| 22:50.54 | simonrvn | @comfort deadcat |
| 22:50.56 | ravenbird | There, there, deadcat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:50.59 | kromagg | Jarn: usually because you don't have the correct permissions for its parent directory |
| 22:51.04 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me if the sarge business card CD image supports PPP and USB modems? |
| 22:51.08 | budgester | i have a user asterisk, thats runs asterisk as a deamon, i need to give it permisions to /dev/port how would i do this ? |
| 22:51.18 | deadcat | simonrvn: must be dpkg -P pmud that removed the config files. )= |
| 22:51.25 | Jarn | kromagg: i do... and i was in a ROOT file manager |
| 22:51.30 | simonrvn | it would, yes |
| 22:51.44 | citral | WiFiTux: but I'm afraid that implies manually editing /usr/src/kernel-source-xxx/kernel/printk.c |
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| 22:52.04 | kromagg | Jarn: well sry I don't run konqueror so I wouldn't know how it works |
| 22:52.12 | Jarn | kromagg: bah |
| 22:52.18 | Jarn | kromagg: okay, thanks anyway |
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| 22:52.20 | simonrvn | @ops LcPorP is a spam bot |
| 22:52.21 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: LcPorP is a spam bot |
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| 22:53.29 | dad | How do I control gtk icons and looks for gnome programs in KDE? |
| 22:53.33 | simonrvn | alec: goofy user name typical of the spam bots |
| 22:53.40 | simonrvn | alindeman: ^^^^^^ |
| 22:53.43 | alindeman | Heh |
| 22:53.43 | simonrvn | alec: sorry |
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| 22:54.02 | alindeman | Yah, you're right |
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| 22:54.13 | Vexer | anyone know where I can find precompiled packages of nvidia kernel sources for debian? |
| 22:54.21 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 22:54.40 | Flimzy | Vexer: I don't think you can legally |
| 22:54.44 | scytheman | dad, to switch the theme use switch(2) or gtk-theme-switch(2) |
| 22:54.48 | Vexer | :( |
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| 22:55.06 | adam_ | Anyone know how to disable USB hotplugs? |
| 22:55.09 | Vexer | Flimzy, well.. i can't seem ot get any NVIDIA drivers compiled heh |
| 22:55.17 | dad | scytheman, Cool what does it do? |
| 22:55.21 | cafuego | dad: via gnome-control-center. Also make sure gnome-settings-daemon start when KDE does. |
| 22:55.26 | scytheman | it switches the theme |
| 22:55.27 | Flimzy | Vexer: works just fine for me |
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| 22:55.42 | mastergoon | anyone know why saned might fail to start saying that: "[1] bind failed: Address already in use" when there are no other saned instances running |
| 22:56.00 | dad | ah gnome -settings-daemon, thanks |
| 22:56.01 | karsten | Gah. So, something I've updated has changed my rxvt fonts subtly, and it DRIVES ME NUTS. |
| 22:56.03 | simonrvn | mastergoon: port num. |
| 22:56.09 | cafuego | mastergoon: Something else running on that port |
| 22:56.16 | mastergoon | ah, hmm |
| 22:56.17 | Vexer | Flimzy, what abouts did you do? i'm on kernel 2.4, just installed the latest debian this morning (sarge?) and trying to do NVIDIA-Liniux-x86-1.0-7167 |
| 22:56.22 | mastergoon | i wonder what |
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| 22:56.28 | cafuego | dad: No, 'gnome-settings-daemon' - note no space |
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| 22:56.42 | adam_ | I got a problem with Hotplugs and I need them disabled. :P |
| 22:56.45 | directhex | Vexer, how are you tryinmg to do what you're doing? |
| 22:56.56 | cafuego | Vexer: Use the debianised packages from non-free. |
| 22:57.09 | Vexer | cafuego, where can I find those?? |
| 22:57.15 | cafuego | Vexer: in non-0free. |
| 22:57.17 | Flimzy | Vexer: I RTFMed |
| 22:57.20 | cafuego | non-free |
| 22:57.21 | directhex | !tell Vexer about non-free sources |
| 22:57.27 | directhex | !tell Vexer about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 22:57.27 | mastergoon | i ran nmap on localhost and it doesnt see anything running on the saned port |
| 22:57.32 | directhex | !tell Vexer about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:57.32 | budgester | adam: what is causing trouble with hotplugs ? |
| 22:57.35 | Vexer | dpkg is down |
| 22:57.39 | Vexer | er gone |
| 22:57.40 | directhex | oh, fucks sake |
| 22:57.41 | Vexer | :D |
| 22:57.50 | Vexer | haha i tried asking it first.. |
| 22:57.55 | Vexer | anyway i'l google around some more :) |
| 22:57.56 | Vexer | thanks |
| 22:57.56 | adam_ | directhx: Debian hangs, it does nothing when it reaches USB Hotplugs |
| 22:57.57 | Poncha | eheeh. anyone have any decent rpg game in mind for linux? :) |
| 22:57.58 | cafuego | @tell Vexer -about non-free |
| 22:57.59 | directhex | Vexer, edit /etc/apt/sources.list. change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' |
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| 22:58.11 | Vexer | directhex, thanks man |
| 22:58.24 | directhex | Vexer, the duplicate the lines marked 'testing' or 'sarge', set the second pair to say 'sid' instead |
| 22:58.26 | directhex | Vexer, |
| 22:58.27 | directhex | bah |
| 22:58.32 | lyy | what's the syntax to set my ip from the console? |
| 22:58.33 | dad | Darn I love this stuff! gmome-theme-switch installed! |
| 22:58.34 | budgester | adam: what have you tried turning of usb in your bios ? |
| 22:58.37 | dad | n |
| 22:58.56 | lyy | i tried ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 but it doesn't work |
| 22:58.59 | directhex | Vexer, then write into /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' |
| 22:59.09 | lyy | i mean it does get set, but other systems can't see it |
| 22:59.16 | adam_ | Yes, and even if that did work(which it didn't) Debian would be useless as I wouldn't be able to use my mouse and keyboard |
| 22:59.27 | Poncha | lyy, "up" after ip address |
| 22:59.38 | lyy | Poncha: ahhhh man, i didn't know this |
| 22:59.42 | lyy | i'll try that |
| 23:00.00 | Poncha | lyy, oops before sorry :) |
| 23:00.07 | directhex | Vexer, apt-get update, apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings |
| 23:00.21 | Poncha | lyy, ifconfig up ... | ifconfig down ... (to bring up and down the iface) |
| 23:00.35 | budgester | lyy: or try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:00.39 | Vexer | directhex, wow.. thanks a lottttttt :) |
| 23:01.16 | directhex | Vexer, that will compile the header and install it, as well as the drivers. one possible problem si if your kernel is out of date. what does uname -r report? |
| 23:01.30 | lyy | Poncha: by the way, what i am doing is this...first let me explain i'm initially on a dhcp network set up. what i want to do to now is hook the two computers up by a crossover cable. |
| 23:01.42 | directhex | Vexer, oh, i forgot. add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules if you have udev installed (you do if you have a /.dev/ folder |
| 23:01.54 | directhex | Vexer, (best to just add it anyway, to be safe) |
| 23:02.06 | budgester | how would i give permissiona to a user for a /dev device without having to give them permissions to the /dev directory |
| 23:02.07 | lyy | Poncha: i manually set the windows ip to 192.168.0.11 and then do a ifconfig blah blah onto the debian box |
| 23:02.21 | Vexer | EXECThe system cannot find the file specified. |
| 23:02.24 | Vexer | woops |
| 23:02.26 | lyy | Poncha: but the thing is, i do a ping to the debian box and it doesn't see it |
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| 23:02.28 | Vexer | i forgot something |
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| 23:02.39 | lyy | Poncha: after doign the ifconfig up, the win box still can't ping it |
| 23:02.44 | Vexer | directhex, anyway i just downloaded the testing of debian last night, and installed it this morning |
| 23:02.53 | Vexer | i'll show you uname -a in a sec |
| 23:02.55 | budgester | lyy: can the debian box ping itself ? |
| 23:03.03 | directhex | Vexer, if it has -1- in it, you need a new kernel |
| 23:03.09 | Jarn | I tried to stick an aRts Control applet on a panel and I got this error: The aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation. |
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| 23:03.12 | lyy | budgester: good question. let me try |
| 23:03.13 | budgester | lyy: on 127.0.0.1 and it's ip ? |
| 23:03.16 | directhex | Vexer, best to get one anyway, for your kernel subarch (k7 for athlon, 686 for intel) |
| 23:03.26 | Vexer | might as well i guess |
| 23:03.28 | adam_ | directhex: How do I disable hotplugs or fix my nasty problem? :p |
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| 23:03.38 | budgester | adam: with a hammer ? |
| 23:03.43 | directhex | adam_, you could remove the hotplug package. and/or discover1 |
| 23:03.44 | Vexer | directhex, "Linux 2.4.27-2-386" |
| 23:03.57 | lyy | budgester: no, it cant' ping itself |
| 23:03.58 | directhex | Vexer, that seems current. i'd usually check suing dpkg, but he's died >_< |
| 23:04.07 | lyy | network is unreachable |
| 23:04.21 | Vexer | haha yea i came on here first asking it but "he" wasn't on :D so i asked in the chan |
| 23:04.23 | budgester | lyy: and if you do ifconfig ? |
| 23:04.47 | deadcat | simonrvn: its exactly what happened.. pmud removed some stuff from /etc/power and apt-get install pbbuttonsd --reinstall wont put those files back. had to --purge pbbuttonsd and reinstall it. |
| 23:04.53 | lyy | loopback is up and running, but it doesn't show the addy |
| 23:04.59 | Poncha | lyy, ifconfig -a and see what is with the interface... |
| 23:05.04 | Kerr | ergh |
| 23:05.15 | directhex | Vexer, right. so things ought to go according to plan. maybe. probably. perhaps. |
| 23:05.31 | dad | Oh cool, cool, cool, you guys are the the DEAL. "switch2" let me set a "MacOSX" theme I had plaed with in Gnome. Now Synapic (for one example) matches my "Baghira" Macish theme is KDE. Do we have the best stuff on the planet or what! (Soap bow twirling dismount) Goo night everyboby! |
| 23:05.46 | Vexer | directhex, heh i'll give it a try now and see how it goes, tahtnks again :) |
| 23:06.11 | lyy | Poncha: what info you looking for? |
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| 23:06.15 | Kerr | a friend of mine just tried to install cpanel with it's auto whatever, but it choked on some rpms after fooking with quite a lot of stuff. Would installing apt's cpanel over the broken install help, or is he screwed? |
| 23:06.25 | lyy | Poncha: eth0 is up and enabled? |
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| 23:06.45 | deadcat | dad: screenshot us |
| 23:06.52 | Jarn | Can a Linux box remote desktop to a Windows box? |
| 23:06.53 | budgester | lyy: and you can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:06.57 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 23:07.00 | lyy | trying now |
| 23:07.01 | budgester | Jarn: yup |
| 23:07.11 | Jarn | budgester: thanks |
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| 23:07.23 | directhex | Jarn, yes. apt-get install rdesktop |
| 23:07.26 | lyy | budgester: no, i can't |
| 23:07.31 | budgester | Jarn> you want rdesktop or vnc |
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| 23:07.37 | Jarn | budgester: thanks |
| 23:07.38 | directhex | Jarn, try grdesktop for a user-friendly front-end |
| 23:07.47 | Jarn | I tried to stick an aRts Control applet on a panel and I got this error: 'The aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation. ' How do I put one on my panel? Or would this be a question for KDE? |
| 23:07.47 | lyy | budgester: it's perplexing to me |
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| 23:08.03 | lyy | budgester: all hte other distros i use never had htis problem |
| 23:08.04 | Jarn | budgester: Can openvpn work the same way? |
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| 23:08.05 | budgester | lyy: try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:08.10 | lyy | budgester: ok |
| 23:08.31 | dad | How do i best send you all a screenshot? |
| 23:08.43 | Poncha | dad, upload somewhere on the web ;) |
| 23:08.52 | budgester | dad: with a large denomitation note please |
| 23:08.56 | deadcat | dad: lynucs.org post it there |
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| 23:10.47 | lyy | budgester: ok, what i did was what you said. |
| 23:11.06 | budgester | lyy: and you tried pinging again ? |
| 23:11.06 | lyy | budgester: and hten i set the ip with ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:11.09 | lyy | yes |
| 23:11.14 | lyy | and then i did a ifconfig up |
| 23:11.22 | lyy | and the win box can se the linx box now |
| 23:11.28 | budgester | lyy: cool |
| 23:11.33 | lyy | i never had to do this before tho |
| 23:11.47 | lyy | at home, i do a peer to peer over xover cable |
| 23:11.58 | lyy | from the debian laptop to my win pc |
| 23:12.01 | lyy | and it wsa ok |
| 23:12.08 | lyy | but here at work, it sucks balls |
| 23:12.21 | lyy | anyhowk, i got a solution. thanks budgester |
| 23:12.24 | Jarn | budgester: Can openvpn work the same way? Connecting a linux comp to windows with remotedesktop |
| 23:12.37 | budgester | Jarn: dunno mate |
| 23:12.56 | Jarn | bodgester: okay |
| 23:13.05 | pipeline | budgester: I don't think there are any RDP servers for linux. |
| 23:13.14 | pipeline | budgester: You can use NX, VNC, or X11, however. |
| 23:13.27 | budgester | pipeline: thats true |
| 23:13.42 | pipeline | budgester: Wait, you want to view a windows desktop on your linux system? That's easy: rdesktop |
| 23:13.43 | Jarn | I tried to stick an aRts Control applet on a panel and I got this error: 'The aRts Control applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation. ' How do I fix this? Or would this be a question for #kde? |
| 23:13.51 | budgester | no not me |
| 23:14.00 | budgester | Jarns trying to do it |
| 23:14.05 | budgester | no windows here |
| 23:14.10 | deadcat | !java |
| 23:14.17 | Jarn | I'm trying to see if it is possible for someone else. |
| 23:14.19 | Jarn | but VPN is needed to |
| 23:14.32 | pipeline | Jarn: VPN is needed too? What's the VPN server? |
| 23:14.32 | Jarn | on windows, anyway. unless redesktop has a builtin vpn |
| 23:14.42 | pipeline | JarJarBinks: the RDP client is easy, VPN is not easy at all on either end. |
| 23:14.51 | Jarn | pipeline: just, is it possible? |
| 23:15.02 | budgester | jarn: get your vpn set up first, then RDP |
| 23:15.05 | dad | Well, the featured screen shot (lynucs.org/) already has a mac theme going on but I could hunt the MacOS gtk and baghirs |
| 23:15.09 | Jarn | pipeline: okay |
| 23:15.10 | Jarn | er |
| 23:15.15 | Jarn | budgester: okay |
| 23:15.22 | dad | ..baghira theme links if you really want me too. |
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| 23:15.54 | Kerr | a friend of mine just tried to install cpanel with it's auto whatever, but it choked on some rpms after fooking with quite a lot of stuff. Would installing apt's cpanel over the broken install help, or is he screwed? |
| 23:15.55 | pipeline | Jarn: All you need to connect to a windows desktop running an RDP server is rdesktop. It works just fine. VPN is the hard part. |
| 23:15.59 | cottus | i installed some new fonts, buit i do not know how to 'enable' them or make them available, any thoughts? |
| 23:16.06 | pipeline | Kerr: Don't use cpanel if you can help it :P |
| 23:16.13 | cottus | i restarted X already if it matter, did not see them come up |
| 23:16.21 | pipeline | cottus: hmm, you could try dumping them in ~/.fonts |
| 23:16.30 | pipeline | cottus: Alternatively, read the docs for defoma. Fonts are complicated :( |
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| 23:16.40 | cottus | pipeline> but if i install them with apt-get, why wouldnt they be there |
| 23:16.46 | cottus | ah ok |
| 23:16.55 | budgester | Jarn: You trying to do this across the internet ? |
| 23:17.05 | Jarn | budgester: yes |
| 23:17.06 | budgester | Jarn: or on a lan |
| 23:17.15 | Jarn | budgester: web |
| 23:17.19 | pipeline | cottus: did you install x-ttcidfontconf ? |
| 23:17.21 | budgester | Jarn: any firewalls in place ? |
| 23:17.24 | dad | baghira in a KDE theme BTW |
| 23:17.31 | citral | uh, an idea where I could find infos about all the arguments that the kernel accepts? |
| 23:17.39 | Jarn | budgester: yes |
| 23:17.43 | budgester | citral: in the kernel source ? |
| 23:17.59 | Jarn | budgester: so, it IS possible for vpn and rdesktop to connect a linux box to a windows? |
| 23:18.03 | budgester | Jarn: can you get the firewalls to do the vpn part ? |
| 23:18.09 | Jarn | budgester: yes |
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| 23:18.18 | dad | Also, tried Kubuntu and I just don't see why debian isn't better. :rolleyes |
| 23:18.27 | cottus | pipeline apt-get cant find that package |
| 23:18.33 | madduck | anyone here with windows installed in vmware or qemu who'd write a floppy image for me? |
| 23:18.43 | cottus | pipeline> that exact name? |
| 23:18.46 | cottus | couldnt find it |
| 23:18.48 | lyy | budgester: thanks again :) |
| 23:18.49 | budgester | Jarn: get the firewalls doing the vpn then use RDesktop |
| 23:18.50 | jerome | darn, it seems that ov511 is broken with 2.6.11.x :/ |
| 23:18.56 | budgester | lyy: null stress chummer |
| 23:18.59 | lyy | budgester: gonna go enjoy my weekend now |
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| 23:19.07 | pipeline | cottus: no, but something like that. Try x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 23:19.09 | citral | budgester: thanks, Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt :) |
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| 23:19.21 | cottus | thanks that did it |
| 23:19.23 | Jarn | budgester: okay, thanks. I just wanted to know if it is possible right now, i wont be setting it up for my friend yet |
| 23:19.25 | pipeline | madduck: What floppy? |
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| 23:19.46 | cottus | pipeline> should i choose freetype or xttt? |
| 23:19.46 | cottus | t? |
| 23:19.51 | madduck | pipeline: dell bios update... |
| 23:19.59 | pipeline | cottus: I prefer xtt. Most people prefer freetype. |
| 23:20.16 | pipeline | madduck: uh, I'd rather not be involved in that. Too much that could go wrong... |
| 23:20.22 | cottus | it failed anyway |
| 23:20.26 | pipeline | Failed? |
| 23:20.31 | cottus | malformed macro definition |
| 23:20.38 | cottus | error in configuration |
| 23:20.42 | budgester | night all |
| 23:20.44 | madduck | pipeline: you need to update the bios yourself. you just run an .exe and write a floppy image. |
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| 23:22.08 | madduck | pipeline: i mean, you do not need to update a bios. |
| 23:22.26 | madduck | pipeline: the exe just writes a bootable floppy |
| 23:22.33 | madduck | pipeline: and i need that as an image. |
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| 23:22.51 | crazyweirdfoo | ne idea when gnome 2.10 is expected in sid?? |
| 23:22.53 | cottus | grrrr |
| 23:23.04 | chealer | let's say there's a wontfix bug in sysvinit making bootlogd unusable in some situations (udev-related). do you think it's fair to mark the bug minor? |
| 23:23.13 | Kerr | pipeline: What would you reccomend instead of cpanel? |
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| 23:23.24 | cottus | man defoma has one short page, not even enough to scroll down. for something 'complicated' you would think it would give more |
| 23:23.45 | Jarn | When I do apt-get upgrade some it says are held back. Why is this? |
| 23:23.55 | pipeline | Kerr: Reading documentation and not allowing idiots to access your systems. |
| 23:24.05 | pipeline | madduck: Yeah, I'd be afraid that I'd screw it up. |
| 23:24.51 | madduck | whatever... |
| 23:24.57 | madduck | you cannot screw anything up. |
| 23:25.07 | Kerr | pipeline: It's not my system, not my problem; but when the guy went to install redhack i stopped im, directed him to sarge instead. He's learning fast, but not fast enough ~.~ |
| 23:25.09 | dad | Deadcat: you want it? |
| 23:25.18 | Kerr | him^ |
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| 23:28.32 | kbrooks | TO DEBIAN: PING |
| 23:28.46 | kbrooks | apt, tell root__ about root |
| 23:28.52 | cottus | any quick defoma hints? |
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| 23:29.13 | Jappis | root__, don't irc as root |
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| 23:29.23 | Euclid_ | hello |
| 23:29.27 | cottus | i have isntalled several font packages from apt, but i still only see the few defaults available, and man defoma gives exactly one short page of unhelpful info |
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| 23:30.04 | _kaz | you can only have 4 primary partitions on a drive? |
| 23:30.12 | Euclid_ | what's the name of the network configurator that woody installer uses? |
| 23:30.12 | cottus | yes |
| 23:30.13 | deadcat | _kaz: yes |
| 23:30.26 | _kaz | doh. What should they be? |
| 23:30.29 | pipeline | Kerr: Heh, cpanel is dangerous, in any case. |
| 23:30.36 | pipeline | Kerr: Beware :P |
| 23:30.44 | RyanBonaparde | Hi, I'm back. I'm tring to install Debian on my Insprion 1100 and XFree86 will not work. Can anyone help? |
| 23:30.53 | cottus | _kaz> but dont let that stop you, I have had five operating systems with 28 partitions on one harddrive |
| 23:31.09 | _kaz | this is for a dedicated debian mysql server |
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| 23:31.20 | _kaz | but its my first time with debian (I normally use *BSD) |
| 23:31.32 | cottus | so make /dev/hda1 primary, then the rest one big extended partition with logicals in it |
| 23:31.33 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html |
| 23:32.04 | cottus | your de/hda1 (your / partition) needs only be a few hundred MB |
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| 23:32.30 | Euclid_ | is there any command to know my ethernet card name? |
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| 23:32.39 | Vexer | directhex, apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-source says "package is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obseoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 23:32.43 | travisat | Euclid_: lspci should show it |
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| 23:33.06 | Euclid_ | travisat thank you |
| 23:33.32 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 23:33.32 | dpkg | Since Sun Mar 20 23:32:09 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 1m 23s this session, and currently reference 25283 factoids. I'm using about 13904 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.67/0.11 child 0.01/0 |
| 23:33.44 | gravity | Yay! It's alive! |
| 23:33.46 | Euclid_ | how can i configure a dhcp network? |
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| 23:34.08 | Vexer | anyone know what I can do abotu this?, apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-source says "package is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obseoleted, or is only available from another source" |
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| 23:34.16 | travisat | Euclid_: man interfaces |
| 23:34.41 | Euclid_ | travisat what do you mean? |
| 23:34.48 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Thanks for the site. I'm not sure if it will help at all, the link for the Debian download is down. |
| 23:34.53 | Euclid_ | travisat sorry, i'm newbie with debian |
| 23:35.16 | pintail | I want to change my default PATH (both in console as in X), which configfile should I put it in? |
| 23:35.18 | travisat | Euclid_: read about editting the file /etc/network/interfaces, you set up basic networking there, then call ifup networkname to start it |
| 23:35.53 | Euclid_ | travisat thank you but i was looking for something like etherconf |
| 23:36.10 | travisat | Euclid_: what is etherconf |
| 23:36.37 | Euclid_ | travisat a lil program that setups the network for ya |
| 23:36.44 | travisat | Euclid_: what distro? |
| 23:36.52 | Euclid_ | travisat woody |
| 23:37.03 | travisat | hmmm, never used it |
| 23:37.03 | Euclid_ | travisat it comes in the first cd |
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| 23:37.52 | Euclid_ | travisat this damned kernel don't recognize my ethernet card :( |
| 23:38.13 | travisat | Euclid_: what ethernet card |
| 23:38.42 | Euclid_ | travisat realtek rtl-8139 |
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| 23:39.47 | Euclid_ | travisat the kernel should support it but it don't |
| 23:40.04 | travisat | Euclid_: modprove realtek |
| 23:40.13 | travisat | s/modprove/modprobe/ |
| 23:40.27 | cafuego | travisat: Pff. |
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| 23:40.38 | cafuego | Euclid_: 'modprobe 8139too' |
| 23:40.44 | Euclid_ | "realtek" isn't a module :S |
| 23:40.56 | travisat | hrmm its an alias though isn't it |
| 23:41.06 | cafuego | travisat: Not on a normal machine, no. |
| 23:41.31 | travisat | good thing I don't use one |
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| 23:43.54 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: Well, you may have to compile the source. At any rate, in the short term, you can just use a video mode that fits in 1M of RAM :( |
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| 23:44.26 | Golf_ | can someone tell me what the standard display mode is for a 800x600 monitor? (Installing Linux on my old laptop and have to append it at boot, have the following options: 80x25 80x50 80x43 80x25 80x30 80x34 80x60) |
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| 23:46.09 | Golf_ | Or my question should be: what is the standard number of colums/rows for a console?? |
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| 23:46.16 | Supaplex | Golf_: 80x25 should work on anything. |
| 23:46.37 | ericb_ | anyone here can explain why debian dumped sparc ?? |
| 23:46.50 | gravity | ericb_: It hasn't yet |
| 23:46.58 | Golf_ | Supaplex, hmm, but what is the standard? |
| 23:47.00 | gravity | ericb_: And has no plans to actually "dump" anything |
| 23:47.00 | k-man | im trying to set up djbdns as an external cache for my network |
| 23:47.02 | Guerin | !vga= is for framebuffer video mode kernel parameters, see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php |
| 23:47.12 | Guerin | !vga is for framebuffer video mode kernel parameters, see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php |
| 23:47.13 | k-man | but i can't access the cache from other machines on my network |
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| 23:47.18 | ericb_ | gravity ok well to unmaintain it |
| 23:47.25 | Guerin | dpkg: hello |
| 23:47.31 | k-man | any idea how i canfind out why djbdns is not responding to remote requests? |
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| 23:47.50 | pintail | where can I change the default PATH for a user? (that works for both X and console)? |
| 23:47.51 | gravity | ericb_: Also not true. Read the mail in the debian-devel-announce archives for information on what exactly the thing entails and the things a port would need to be considered for release |
| 23:47.59 | Supaplex | Golf_: it shouldn't matter really. I'd use 80x50 if you like lots of text area, but some complain it's too small, and it may not work (800x600 should support that anyway) |
| 23:48.05 | Golf_ | k, thanks... |
| 23:48.12 | gravity | ericb_: It's titled "Bites (Nybbles?) from Vancouver |
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| 23:49.02 | Guerin | poor dpkg |
| 23:49.04 | Golf_ | Supaplex, well, I was confused with framebuff.. The laptop has a max resolution of 800x600... and everything was looking funny... :-) Thanks for the help |
| 23:49.07 | directhex | Vexer, apt-get update |
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| 23:49.21 | ericb_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/14/debian_reduced/ <= this article must have wrong sources then.. |
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| 23:49.38 | gravity | ericb_: The reg article? Ugh... it's... yeah. Just read the original mail. |
| 23:49.43 | gudi | hi |
| 23:49.47 | Guerin | ericb_: no, if you read it carefully you'll find it's broadly accurate |
| 23:49.49 | robbat2 | could somebody with a sid box please grep their system, and tell me what packages my friend's email (pat@tfsb.org) turns up in? |
| 23:49.54 | gravity | ericb_: If you want more info I'll find some for you. It's scattered about a very large thread |
| 23:49.56 | Guerin | but the spin is different |
| 23:50.02 | gravity | ericb_: But the original mail is informative |
| 23:50.05 | pintail | can someone help me with my PATH issue of give me a pointer to a website? |
| 23:50.25 | gudi | is it possible to install a new kernel and config lilo or grub to restart with the old kernel if a kernel panic accoured during the boot |
| 23:50.27 | gudi | ? |
| 23:50.40 | Guerin | !possible |
| 23:50.48 | Guerin | gah |
| 23:50.52 | Guerin | yes, anything's possible |
| 23:51.07 | gudi | Guerin, you know how ? |
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| 23:51.14 | Guerin | you want to do this automatedly, right? |
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| 23:51.28 | gudi | Guerin, yes |
| 23:51.54 | ericb_ | ok ok it isn't unsupported at this moment... but still sad they even thinks about it |
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| 23:52.40 | travisat | pintail: -> www.google.com |
| 23:53.10 | hhstnoc | can anyone recommend a good file manager? preferably not gnome / kde dependent? |
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| 23:53.34 | pintail | travisat: been looking there.. seems I'm giving the wrong words |
| 23:53.34 | travisat | hhstnoc: mc,gentoo |
| 23:53.35 | Vexer | directhex, er i did that multiple times, but still |
| 23:53.36 | Guerin | grrr, I did know how to do this, but I forget |
| 23:53.41 | Vexer | i added contrib non-free too |
| 23:54.06 | cottus | first ten pages of google/linux has no defoma howto |
| 23:54.07 | cottus | nice |
| 23:54.19 | hhstnoc | travisat: thanks, i'll try them out |
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| 23:54.51 | ericb_ | hhstnoc : I'd go for cd, cp, mv, rm and ls |
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| 23:55.08 | ericb_ | and bash completion |
| 23:56.33 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Sorry it took so long to respond... I not sure if we're talking about the same thing, the server _will not_ start up, it blinks from the commandline to a blank screen two or three times and gives me either a graphical error (graphical as in like installation) and sometimes a text error. |
| 23:56.35 | hhstnoc | ericb_: that's what i usually use, but i just want something for little stuff like moving mp3s around. |
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| 23:57.27 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: Oh, at the boot prompt, try a different vga mode. |
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| 23:57.38 | PocKeT | hi all |
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| 23:57.49 | Guerin | ~vga is for framebuffer video mode kernel parameters, see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php |
| 23:57.50 | apt | ...but vga is already something else... |
| 23:57.50 | the-erm | hi |
| 23:57.57 | Guerin | ~vga |
| 23:57.58 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, vga is Video Graphics Array or something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh |
| 23:58.02 | Guerin | gah |
| 23:58.04 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Okay, thanks. I'll be on in about 10 minutes with results! |
| 23:58.14 | Guerin | apt, vga is also for framebuffer video mode kernel parameters, see http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/HOWTOS/framebuffer/framebuffer.php |
| 23:58.15 | apt | okay, Guerin |
| 23:58.38 | ericb_ | hhstnoc : sorry I don't use thoses |
| 23:59.03 | the-erm | I was thinking about installing debian ... I've installed mandrake and gentoo. I know that debian has the apt-get system. Is apt-get more like urpmi, or emerge? |
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| 23:59.18 | cottus | more like urpmi as far as i can tell |
| 23:59.19 | PocKeT | somebody knows why I can't umount a device when I open it with konqueror and after i close it. If i don't open this device with konqueror I can mount and umount without problem |
| 23:59.19 | pipeline | the-erm: apt-get is far superior to either. |
| 23:59.23 | Guerin | the-erm: urpmi is a pale imitation of apt |
| 23:59.33 | Guerin | the-erm: whereas emerge is wildly different |
| 23:59.49 | pipeline | the-erm: apt retains portage's ability to build from source, but has vastly superior configuration update and dependency tracking |
| 23:59.49 | the-erm | ok, so it's not like I'm going to be compiling every time I apt-get. |
| 23:59.50 | cottus | i dunno about far superior |
| 23:59.59 | cottus | i think apt is pretty ragged sometimes |
