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| 00:00.09 | bal00 | bob2: thanks |
| 00:00.21 | bob2 | Frankablu: er? no. |
| 00:00.24 | bob2 | Frankablu: you use debootstrap for that. |
| 00:00.24 | streuner_ | Frankablu: go step by step to the instructions, you should be able to get the source and make the neccessary changes then |
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| 00:00.50 | Frankablu | bob2: Why exactly? |
| 00:00.52 | streuner_ | Frankablu: look at the ig |
| 00:01.06 | streuner_ | Frankablu: there is an example in 'tips' |
| 00:01.09 | streuner_ | section |
| 00:01.10 | bob2 | Frankablu: because apt-get won't usefully work on a non-Debian system |
| 00:01.11 | ZCorker | Flimsy> What do you mean by ask ??? |
| 00:01.22 | Frankablu | bob2: I fail to see why? |
| 00:01.31 | bob2 | Frankablu: it needs dpkg, as well |
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| 00:01.40 | Frankablu | bob2: I am aware |
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| 00:01.44 | bob2 | well |
| 00:01.44 | bob2 | ok |
| 00:01.47 | bob2 | have fun porting it! |
| 00:01.57 | Frankablu | bob2: >.< |
| 00:02.05 | streuner_ | Frankablu: the example mention dbootstrap, IIRC |
| 00:02.09 | bob2 | I don't know what that is |
| 00:02.15 | bob2 | apt-get is not intended to work outside Debian |
| 00:02.23 | bob2 | you will have an enormous amount of trouble if you insist on trying |
| 00:02.34 | bob2 | debootstrap is the tool intended for use for this |
| 00:02.45 | Eclipser | I just love living here, there's so many computer users around in this part of the city that I can usually find stuff I need within a day for a quite cheap price :) |
| 00:02.52 | thingfish | there's an apt for rpm/fedora that works pretty good actually. |
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| 00:03.26 | thingfish | but I think that project has dead-ended. |
| 00:03.31 | ZCorker | jetscreamer> What do you mean by move the hd partition -- window is on ??? |
| 00:03.41 | Flimzy | bob2: Several non-Debian distros use apt quite successfully. Most notably, RH, and its derrivatives. |
| 00:03.46 | bob2 | yes, I know |
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| 00:03.51 | bob2 | however, they have their own source base |
| 00:03.53 | ZCorker | All I did is install Debian Linux to a logical drive. |
| 00:03.56 | jetscreamer | it was a question, did you |
| 00:04.09 | Flimzy | bob2: and? |
| 00:04.17 | bob2 | and what? |
| 00:04.26 | p88 | Does anyone know what port 5050 is used for? |
| 00:04.27 | bob2 | and the Debian apt-get source won't run on redhat |
| 00:04.30 | bob2 | etc |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | p88: /etc/services |
| 00:04.49 | bob2 | also, apt isn't used to bootstrap a Debian system, either |
| 00:04.53 | benjamindees | and the redhat apt-get won't work with Debian |
| 00:04.59 | Bigup | cat /etc/services| grep 5050 |
| 00:05.00 | jetscreamer | google well know ports |
| 00:05.00 | bob2 | indeed |
| 00:05.08 | Flimzy | p88: Whatever you want to use it for, probably. |
| 00:05.14 | p88 | abrotman: I know that that exists but it is not there |
| 00:05.18 | ZCorker | I don't think so. All I did is change the file format of the logical drive from win95 fat 32 to Linux and go through the prompts on the screen for installation. I did have to restart and repartition a couple of times due to an error, but the error went away. |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | p88: google? |
| 00:05.24 | p88 | Flimzy: I get outbound traffic on that port blocked |
| 00:05.25 | hojax | benjamindees if my nics are trying to use the same irq, how can i move one to another irq ?? |
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| 00:05.40 | Flimzy | p88: I guess your firewall is working! |
| 00:06.15 | p88 | Flimzy: It certainly is. I set it to deny everything but a few services |
| 00:06.26 | Flimzy | p88: So what's the problem? |
| 00:06.27 | p88 | and I now know what 5050 is for... it is Yahoo! Messenger |
| 00:06.32 | benjamindees | hojax, depends, either move them physically or you may have to configure them with a setup disk as noted |
| 00:06.48 | p88 | I was wondering why I got 14 outbound blocks of port 5050 |
| 00:06.53 | ZCorker | Isn't there a way to add Debian Linux to the start menu in Windows instead of Debian Linux adding its own start menu as a daisy chain to the windows start menu? I don't need both of them and it is taking up a lot of memory. I only have 512 mb of ram on here (max) and windows is showing signs that it can't handle both ops at the same time. Approximately 50% of my vitual memory is taken up with programs and projects. Looks li |
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| 00:07.13 | kbrooks | start menu? |
| 00:07.23 | Flimzy | ZCorker: I don't believe so. |
| 00:07.30 | Flimzy | ZCorker: Unless you want to use loadlin to start Debian |
| 00:07.43 | ZCorker | What is loadlin? |
| 00:07.49 | Flimzy | ZCorker: But boot loaders don't take up any memory. |
| 00:08.01 | ZCorker | I should be able to edit the menu in Windows to have Linux in it. |
| 00:08.10 | Flimzy | ZCorker: If you think that having 2 OSes on your computer uses more memory in Windows, then it's time to sell your computer and go back to using an abacus. |
| 00:08.24 | hojax | benjamindees k, well when i dont have my ne card in the slot my tulip pci card goes to irq 9 , but when i have the ne card in, my tulip card doesnt show up in /proc/interrupts... both isa slots dont seem to make a different |
| 00:08.24 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:08.49 | ZCorker | I have already checked the virtual memory consumption. Over 50% of the 512mb of ram is spoken for. |
| 00:08.58 | Flimzy | ZCorker: I used to run Windows, OS/2 Warp, and Linux on a computer with only 4mb of RAM. |
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| 00:09.07 | Flimzy | ZCorker: You're a moron. |
| 00:09.14 | Flimzy | ZCorker: Ram is not "spoken for" |
| 00:09.14 | ZCorker | No a newbie. |
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| 00:09.30 | Flimzy | ZCorker: You obviously don't have a clue what RAM even is. |
| 00:09.45 | bob2 | oh, stop it |
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| 00:10.00 | Flimzy | ZCorker: When you're in Linux, Linux uses 100% of your RAM. |
| 00:10.07 | Flimzy | ZCorker: When you're in Windows, Windows uses 100% of your RAM. |
| 00:10.07 | ZCorker | Different from WinXP, programs installed in Win2k are loaded into the registry. You don't have this problem in WinXP. |
| 00:10.08 | mrhemlock | why not just use naive |
| 00:10.30 | revelater | hey guys, i created a partition and linked it to a directory in root called arch, but for some reason when i try to put something in it i get an error |
| 00:10.44 | Flimzy | ZCorker: WinXP uses a registry, too. But that also has absolutely nothing to do with RAM consumption or dual-booting. |
| 00:10.51 | p88 | Can someone redirect me to the documentation of "How to install java on Debian"? Usually dpkg tells me these kind of things but it is not there. |
| 00:10.52 | dvs | revelater: Did you format the partition first? |
| 00:10.53 | bob2 | revelater: you'd need to paste the error to #flood |
| 00:10.58 | bob2 | p88: apt is here |
| 00:11.06 | dvs | p88: ravenbird is here |
| 00:11.10 | revelater | yah its formated |
| 00:11.28 | dvs | revelater: Listen to bob2 |
| 00:11.29 | jetscreamer | xp is your god, may bill smite you from on_high... kneel before your master, slave |
| 00:11.41 | todd_ | p88 you've been here all damn day |
| 00:11.44 | p88 | ravenbird is telling me nothing but to look at The Linux Documentation Project |
| 00:11.44 | ravenbird | p88: You are moron #1 |
| 00:11.52 | bob2 | ~+java |
| 00:11.53 | apt | [java] at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" package |
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| 00:11.56 | bob2 | there you go |
| 00:11.57 | ZCorker | Programs loaded in WinXP are only loaded into the registry when they are run and not when they are installed on the computer. Supposedly this was one of the advantages of XP over Windows -- it gave the operating system more capacity. However, it doesn't appear to be as stable. Now back to Linux. |
| 00:12.21 | Flimzy | ZCorker: The registry is a file. |
| 00:12.22 | revelater | avually its only one line: Access denied to /arch/Naruto. |
| 00:12.25 | thingfish | um...I don't know about that. |
| 00:12.28 | p88 | Right |
| 00:12.29 | jetscreamer | ZCorker, you are as gay as xp's default setup |
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| 00:12.35 | martha | How can I recode an mp3 file with double or triple volume? |
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| 00:12.59 | bob2 | revelater: that seems pretty clear...change the partitions on it so you can access it |
| 00:13.02 | thingfish | don't insult gay people, we're smarter than anything in xp |
| 00:13.03 | Flimzy | ZCorker: And in XP, as with all versions of Windows, things are 'loaded into the registry' when the application is installed or configured. |
| 00:13.23 | benjamindees | ZCorker, do you have a MCSE by any chance? |
| 00:13.24 | Flimzy | martha: That's probably a bad idea |
| 00:13.29 | revelater | bob2, what do you mean? |
| 00:13.31 | Flimzy | martha: You'll lose a lot of quality in doing so. |
| 00:13.35 | bob2 | can we stop being morons, please? |
| 00:13.37 | bob2 | kthxbye. |
| 00:13.45 | thingfish | anyway, this has GOT to be one of the weirdest conversations ever |
| 00:13.47 | ZCorker | jetscreamer> Why don't you just tell me how to get rid of one of the menus at boot instead of all this jungian, new age, Marin County style get on the couch catharsis. |
| 00:14.02 | bob2 | ZCorker is surreal indeed |
| 00:14.07 | thingfish | I'm only on two rum and cokes and I feel instead like I've taken mushrooms. |
| 00:14.38 | martha | Flimzy: as a cop said to me during a traffic stop, I'll be the judge of that |
| 00:14.39 | thingfish | yes, he is |
| 00:14.45 | thingfish | TOO |
| 00:14.47 | nnk | ZCorker: i think noone here can actually understand wtf you are trying to ask/do |
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| 00:14.57 | Flimzy | martha: There's no judging. It's a fact. |
| 00:15.14 | nnk | maybe ur just to gay...uh.. msart for us :) |
| 00:15.18 | Flimzy | martha: lossy -> lossy conversions *always* result in loss of quality. |
| 00:15.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:15.31 | Flimzy | martha: (at least in the audio/video world) |
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| 00:16.04 | ZCorker | again> I am getting to menus with options to select operating systems. One was installed by Debbian Linux and the other installed by my existing Win2k Operating system. Both menus are daisy chained together and I would like to get rid of one of them -- preferably the one installed by Debby. HOw do I do this??? |
| 00:16.04 | Flimzy | ZCorker: There's no easy way to get rid of those menus... and maybe not even a hard way. |
| 00:16.06 | bob2 | yay |
| 00:16.06 | dvs | dpkg: hi |
| 00:16.06 | dpkg | hello |
| 00:16.16 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 00:16.16 | dpkg | thanks, dvs |
| 00:16.20 | Flimzy | ZCorker: You don't. |
| 00:16.27 | Flimzy | ZCorker: You get to live with it. |
| 00:16.32 | thingfish | have mercy on us, Lord Jesus |
| 00:16.32 | revelater | !botsnack |
| 00:16.33 | dpkg | revelater: :) |
| 00:16.45 | bob2 | ZCorker: you can add Debian (stop saying Debby, it makes you sound irritating) to the windows boot menu, but you'll need to google that yourself |
| 00:16.47 | ZCorker | I don't have to live with anything. I want my computer to be perfect like me :) |
| 00:17.03 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:17.06 | revelater | dpkg: howdy |
| 00:17.06 | dpkg | what's up, revelater |
| 00:17.09 | bob2 | revelater: do not /msg me |
| 00:17.18 | bob2 | revelater: you haven't explained enough about the situation for anyone to help |
| 00:17.29 | Flimzy | ZCorker: Your computer is already far more perfect than you. |
| 00:17.34 | revelater | then tell me what you need to know |
| 00:17.36 | bob2 | revelater: is it a FAT partition? ext2? what do you want to do with it? who should be able to access it? |
| 00:17.43 | revelater | reiserfs |
| 00:17.49 | bob2 | begging people for information so I can help is not worth my time |
| 00:17.52 | Flimzy | ZCorker: Your computer knows what RAM is. |
| 00:17.54 | FieldySnuts | don flame suit (though I like the filesystem) |
| 00:17.56 | bob2 | Flimzy: stop it |
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| 00:18.13 | thingfish | ZCorker: all the information you want is out there for the googling. Have at it. |
| 00:18.14 | radslack | what's RAM |
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| 00:18.25 | FieldySnuts | bob2: one... peice... of info.. at. a time... are yoouuu in a hurrryyy? |
| 00:18.27 | doub | hi all |
| 00:18.28 | todd_ | large goat |
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| 00:18.41 | dvs | bonsoir |
| 00:18.46 | Flimzy | hrm |
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| 00:18.57 | bob2 | ZCorker: http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm |
| 00:18.59 | bob2 | have fun |
| 00:19.06 | radslack | Google really has become a verb over the years. |
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| 00:19.38 | todd_ | i googled on myself? |
| 00:19.44 | doub | dvs: haven't you been told this is an *english speaking* channel already ? ;) |
| 00:19.48 | thingfish | It darn near has, yes. |
| 00:19.49 | ZCorker | Flimzo> I should know -- I built the computer from parts five years ago. |
| 00:20.04 | revelater | bob2 the problem, i cann't do anything to it, create or move files to it, i have permission to do so, i just get access denied, is it possibly a problem with fstab? |
| 00:20.05 | dvs | doub: Oh! My mistake. |
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| 00:20.12 | Flimzy | ZCorker: You build computers, yet don't know what RAM is? |
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| 00:20.17 | bob2 | revelater: you obviouisly don't have permission to |
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| 00:20.22 | thingfish | I think ZCorker is pulling our collective legs. |
| 00:20.23 | fatalblu_ | anyone here get a successful drupal setup in sarge? |
| 00:20.28 | bob2 | revelater: show us the relevant line from fstab |
| 00:20.30 | radslack | WTF is RAM anyway? |
| 00:20.34 | fatalblu_ | ... |
| 00:20.35 | revelater | bob2, i have full access |
| 00:20.35 | bob2 | revelater: and the output of 'ls -ld /mountpount' |
| 00:20.45 | aFlag | if i do aptitude install gdb it should work correctly for debugging C code, right? |
| 00:20.48 | thingfish | www.hyperdictionary.com |
| 00:20.53 | k1ds | one of my nics doesnt show up when i have both physically installed... my ne card shows up on irq 5 when it is in, and the tulip card shows up as irq 9 when it is the only card in... |
| 00:20.57 | ZCorker | No collective legs. I bought most of the parts from Hard Drive NW in Bellevue Washington and the NEC monitor from CompUSA in Tukwila. |
| 00:20.59 | bob2 | aFlag: it will install a debugger, yes. |
| 00:21.00 | Flimzy | radslack: RAM is a figment of your imagination. |
| 00:21.21 | Flimzy | ZCorker: From CompUSA, eh? Wow... that's a quality monitor, then! And I'm sure you got a bargian price. |
| 00:21.24 | revelater | bob2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 48 Mar 19 09:01 /arch |
| 00:21.27 | aFlag | bob2, and i don't need anything else to debug my C code, right? |
| 00:21.27 | todd_ | it temp stores stuff for convience and speed, kinda |
| 00:21.28 | radslack | Flimzy: oh ok. scared me for a sec... :P |
| 00:21.33 | SuperSox | radslack: RAM is a device used for smashing down doors |
| 00:21.34 | aFlag | i mean gcc foo.c -g -o foo |
| 00:21.37 | aFlag | then gdb foo |
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| 00:21.41 | aFlag | should work, right? |
| 00:21.42 | dvs | aFlag: You need to compile it with debug flags |
| 00:21.45 | ZCorker | I did. The monitor was $275 (17") at that time. |
| 00:21.45 | hoj | why might that nic "dissapear?" |
| 00:22.12 | bob2 | aFlag: a brain ;) |
| 00:22.16 | bob2 | aFlag: right |
| 00:22.19 | bob2 | aFlag: -g3 can be useful |
| 00:22.33 | bob2 | revelater: and the fstab line? |
| 00:22.46 | aFlag | it's not working though, i never tried -g3 |
| 00:22.47 | aFlag | let me see |
| 00:22.51 | Flimzy | Am I correct in understanding that in kernel 2.4 and newer, pcmcia-cs is no longer necessary? |
| 00:23.00 | karsten | is $() a bashism? |
| 00:23.15 | bob2 | karsten: no |
| 00:23.23 | bob2 | karsten: zsh at least has it |
| 00:23.28 | bob2 | karsten: it's probably not posix, tho |
| 00:23.33 | bbrazil | hoj: anything interesting in the output of 'lspci' with 1/2 cards? |
| 00:23.40 | brrrt | hi all, my network works "somehow", but when do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" it says: "Reconfiguring network interfaces: SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 00:23.45 | revelater | bob2, /dev/hda3/archreiserfsuser,auto02 |
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| 00:24.00 | bob2 | revelater: why do you have option user? |
| 00:24.07 | bob2 | also, if it's reiser, it's possibly just corrupt |
| 00:24.08 | brrrt | i already googled but found no solution |
| 00:24.20 | brrrt | :( |
| 00:24.22 | doub | brrrt: maybe your configuration at this time differs from what's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:24.23 | revelater | bob2, how can it be corrupt? |
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| 00:24.30 | bob2 | revelater: it does that sometimes |
| 00:24.38 | doub | brrrt: or you have some trouble with what's in said interfaces config file |
| 00:24.52 | revelater | bob2 ok, how would i correct? |
| 00:25.00 | aFlag | hum |
| 00:25.06 | aFlag | it works with -g3 |
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| 00:25.25 | hoj | bbrazil lspci shows the tulip card now... ( i have both in atm) |
| 00:25.56 | bbrazil | hoj: you tried swithing around the slots? this seems very strange |
| 00:26.21 | hoj | bbrazil yes, i have |
| 00:26.33 | revelater | !botsnack |
| 00:26.33 | dpkg | thanks, revelater |
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| 00:26.40 | bbrazil | hoj: to verify, with both in, both show up in lspci? |
| 00:26.44 | hoj | bbrazil seems that the same thing happens |
| 00:26.55 | karsten | bob2: But bourne doesn't. |
| 00:27.02 | hoj | bbrazil well, no, the ne card is isa |
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| 00:27.29 | karsten | bob2: got a pair of short scripts for nthday/lastday tests |
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| 00:27.44 | dvs | hoj: Can't you tell the BIOS that those IRQ and DMA addresses are used? |
| 00:27.53 | nnk | hoj: it might be related to some bios settings, try to have a look, maybe you can guess |
| 00:27.57 | revelater | ok more pressing could anybody help me setup a printer? |
| 00:28.01 | bbrazil | hoj: hmm, you got modules loaded for both? |
| 00:28.10 | hoj | bbrazil yes bot modules are loaded |
| 00:28.18 | hoj | dvx, nnk - k, ill try that right now... |
| 00:28.21 | bob2 | karsten: ah |
| 00:28.40 | dvs | hoj: Well, if both modules are loaded then it should work. Shouldn't it? |
| 00:29.03 | karsten | bob2: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/{last,nth}day |
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| 00:29.22 | hoj | dvs, i cant seem to get internet up when they are both physically in the box |
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| 00:29.50 | brrrt | doub: i commented out network, gateway and broadcast now i lost connection after trying to restart the network :((( |
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| 00:30.11 | hoj | pnp is dissabled..., there is a setting under pci for "option rom scan, enable master???" |
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| 00:30.34 | dvs | hoj: Sounds like you need to create an alias to stop the network cards from swapping eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:30.42 | benjamindees | hoj, I've also had problems with ne cards and crossover cables, if it helps |
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| 00:30.58 | bbrazil | hoj: I had this once in a 386(dual isa, both the same model 3com card) and in a 486(2pci nics, a isa nic - would only get them all if one of the pci nis wasn't fully inserted). It could just be a resource conflict |
| 00:31.00 | hoj | the only thing with irq i can seem to set is whether i will enable/disable certain irqs |
| 00:31.08 | p88 | todd_: It will probably make you happy: I am leaving. One thing still: I am NOT metallica or whatever your implication was! |
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| 00:31.22 | dvs | hoj: Is the ISA card a PnP card? |
| 00:31.27 | doub | brrrt: what happens when you do "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" ? (assuming your NIC is eth0) |
| 00:31.28 | todd_ | huh? |
| 00:31.33 | Blu3Fr0g | is there anyone who is familiar with doing a "hard drive" install of debian that would be willing to take a few minutes and explain to a linux n00b how to do it? |
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| 00:31.41 | brrrt | doub: i thoght "network, broadcast and gateway are optional" |
| 00:31.45 | dvs | Blu3Fr0g: #knoppix |
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| 00:31.51 | kbrooks | BlackSunSystems, easy |
| 00:31.56 | brrrt | doub: no more trial and error today |
| 00:31.57 | kbrooks | dvs, stfu |
| 00:32.05 | hoj | dvs ok, an alias for eth1 ? where does that go again /etc/network/options?? |
| 00:32.29 | dvs | hoj: Which kernel are you using? |
| 00:32.35 | brrrt | doub: i lost connection, means i have to wait till tomorrow morning when my provider gives me console-access |
| 00:32.49 | iiiclaw | hi, Im trying to install an ethernet driver for debian-woody-i386 kernel 2.4.18, I found an install package for my ethernet card but when i use it (as per the instructions it has) it says it cannot find the headers for my kernel... I have gone into dselect and installed the headers i find that seem valid like "i386", "Pentium 4" theres a 3rd, cant recall -_-; but ive installed them every which way, and it still wont find them |
| 00:32.52 | Flimzy | I just compiled a kernel (2.6.11.5) for my laptop. I included PCMCIA NE2k support as a module, however on boot, cardmgr complains of 'no sockets'. When I load pcnet_cs manually, it doesn't detect my NIC (but loads fine). What am I missing? |
| 00:33.26 | iiiclaw | I have a very similar situation when trying to install my nvidia driver, but it says it cant find the source to recompile.... i tried installing the sources too... |
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| 00:34.18 | k1ds_ | .... lost my connection there .... |
| 00:34.24 | doub | brrrt: bad luck for you. but yes, network and broadcast are optional, if you have a usual setup. gateway, however, is needed if you're not on a single physical LAN |
| 00:34.43 | kbrooks | Blu3Fr0g, ask the question again. |
| 00:34.53 | kbrooks | Blu3Fr0g, but with more detail |
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| 00:35.42 | swatikiss | where do i set an alias for my eth1 card again ? |
| 00:35.58 | dvs | swatikiss: Which kernel are you using? |
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| 00:36.06 | hoj | 2.6.8 |
| 00:36.13 | brrrt | doub: k, i understand, thinking gateway is obsolete was my fault :( |
| 00:36.16 | kbrooks | dvs, you don't want to assume. you want to check rto see if his comp has a cd or even a floppy drive |
| 00:36.19 | swatikiss | dvs 2.6.8 |
| 00:36.38 | dvs | hojax: Create a file in the /etc/modprobe.d, say myaliases, and put something like this in it. |
| 00:36.47 | kbrooks | dvs, next time, please do as i indicate and save your/his time |
| 00:36.53 | Blu3Fr0g | I have a old toshiba laptop without floppy or cdrom. it has windows 98 and a network card. There are hard disk boot/install files for debian. Where do I put them and how do I use them? :D |
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| 00:37.10 | dvs | hojax: alias eth0 sk98lin |
| 00:37.10 | dvs | alias eth1 3c59x |
| 00:37.30 | dvs | swatikiss: Then run "update-modules" as root |
| 00:37.39 | doub | brrrt: but on the good site (may there be one :) ), this is a good trial and error session, kind of mistake you won't make anymore :) |
| 00:37.49 | doub | brrrt: s/site/side/ |
| 00:37.56 | swatikiss | dvs in the file "aliases" or "myaliases" ?? |
| 00:38.06 | dvs | swatikiss: Create a new file |
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| 00:38.16 | swatikiss | k |
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| 00:38.56 | swatikiss | dvs, k, that is done... waiting |
| 00:39.07 | iiiclaw | what i guess im asking is, that whether i need to do something after installing the headers/source files for my kernel to make this work... I notice that my uname command returns my kernel version as 2.4.28bf2 but the sources dont have the bf2 at the end... and also everything i read seems to say that my source files should be in /usr/src/linux/ so maybe i just need to extract the tar to there? |
| 00:39.20 | revelater | somebody help me setup printer!! |
| 00:39.27 | revelater | i get a wierd error |
| 00:39.28 | dvs | swatikiss: Did you run "update-modules" as root yet? |
| 00:39.36 | kbrooks | revelater, install cups |
| 00:39.40 | swatikiss | dvs, yeh, my computer just got done |
| 00:39.42 | revelater | already done |
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| 00:40.03 | dvs | swatikiss: then run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" as root |
| 00:40.30 | revelater | kbrooks, i get this error when i try to do anything that has to do with printing:There was an error loading kdeprint_lpd. The diagnostic is: |
| 00:40.31 | swatikiss | dvs, k its doing something... |
| 00:40.31 | revelater | Library files for "kdeprint_lpd.la" not found in paths. |
| 00:40.40 | brrrt | doub: this is for sure, i wont forget that, a 100 websites are/were running there |
| 00:40.59 | iiiclaw | i have also tried pointing the driver installer programs to the source file locations... (they give me that option) and it still says it cant find them |
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| 00:41.26 | applejuice | hi, is there a german debian channel? |
| 00:41.46 | thingfish | iiiclaw: I usually do something like ln -s /usr/src/linux-blah linux ...just in case. |
| 00:41.51 | mrhemlock | !de |
| 00:41.51 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 00:42.11 | swatikiss | dvs k , restarted my networking - but it failed to bring up eth0 |
| 00:42.15 | applejuice | ok, thanks then i will try here first ;-) |
| 00:42.49 | fatalblu_ | anyone here have a working drupal under sarge? |
| 00:42.50 | dvs | swatikiss: You did substitute your network drivers for "sk98lin" and "3c59x" right? |
| 00:42.55 | swatikiss | yep :) |
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| 00:43.18 | dvs | swatikiss: What does the error message say? |
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| 00:43.31 | thingfish | iiiclaw: actually ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-blah /usr/src/linux |
| 00:43.57 | applejuice | i have a big mysql problem since a few hours - i made an update with apt-get and know i get "lost database connetiction", sometimes :-/ |
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| 00:44.14 | doub | brrrt: i had the same problem once, with an "e-business" web site i tried to maintain remotely, which crashed in the middle of the night, on a satursday, with noone to reopen it until monday morning |
| 00:44.15 | Blu3Fr0g | ok, any linux gurus got an idea on how I can put linux on a box that doesn't have a floppy or a cdrom but does have two nics and is running windows 98. |
| 00:44.22 | swatikiss | dvs "no dhcpoffers received... no working leases in persistent database... exiting.. failed to bring up eth0 done" |
| 00:44.37 | doub | brrrt: hopefully, that was a friend's business, just helping there ;) |
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| 00:44.48 | dvs | swatikiss: Try putting the network cable in the other network card. |
| 00:45.01 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:45.11 | iiiclaw | thnx thingfish... I'll go try that, its a pain having to run to windows to to use the internet only to run back to linux when i have a new strategy/idea... :) |
| 00:45.13 | swatikiss | k, nwo what ? |
| 00:45.27 | dvs | swatikiss: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:45.28 | thingfish | yes, that would be a pain, iiiclaw |
| 00:45.37 | swatikiss | dvs :) k, now it came up..... |
| 00:45.44 | swatikiss | so, i guess they are reversed ? |
| 00:45.51 | revelater | no one can help? |
| 00:45.56 | dvs | swatikiss: Yup. Switch them around if you want |
| 00:46.14 | dvs | swatikiss: Then run "update-modules" and "networking restart" again |
| 00:46.16 | Aaton | Blu3Fr0g: USB cdrom, USB flash harddrive, and if you want to spend alot of time you might beable to do a PXE/Etherboot install |
| 00:46.46 | Blu3Fr0g | aaton: no usb :P |
| 00:46.52 | dvs | swatikiss: And I mean switch the aliases around in the new file that you made up |
| 00:46.59 | swatikiss | dvs i dont understand.... i have the correct drivers to eth0/1 in myaliases file..... i cannot bring up eth1 now... "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1 |
| 00:47.04 | brrrt | doub: well its now 1:30 am and at 7:30 i will get access, and i have backup MX so customers wont get too crazy about it |
| 00:47.24 | brrrt | doub: i hope so :| |
| 00:47.47 | nvz | dpkg, rube goldberg install |
| 00:47.47 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 00:47.59 | dvs | swatikiss: What does "grep eth1 /etc/modules.conf" say? |
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| 00:48.22 | swatikiss | dvs nothing |
| 00:48.54 | nvz | you are worse off than the rube goldberg install, cause you dont even have usb .. |
| 00:48.58 | swatikiss | dvs "more /etc/modules.conf|grep eth |
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| 00:49.04 | swatikiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.14 | nvz | one could only hope you got a nic with a bootrom |
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| 00:50.06 | travisat | what type of computer doesn't have a cdrom,floppy, or usb |
| 00:50.30 | nvz | travisat: a lonely old computer. |
| 00:50.44 | fatalblu_ | anyone here have a working drupal under sarge? |
| 00:50.48 | Blu3Fr0g | could I put the hd in travisat: one where I broke the floppy :P |
| 00:51.04 | nvz | Even the Macintosh Classic had a floppy drive |
| 00:51.06 | benjamindees | Blu3Fr0g, if you can "exit to dos", you can use loadlin maybe |
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| 00:51.31 | Blu3Fr0g | benjamin: how does that work? |
| 00:51.40 | swatikiss | dvs what should be in /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 00:52.01 | travisat | !loadlin |
| 00:52.01 | dpkg | loadlin is probably a program to boot a linux kernel from a dos prompt |
| 00:52.03 | dvs | swatikiss: The alias commands in that new file |
| 00:52.08 | benjamindees | Blu3Fr0g, its a program that loads linux from dos |
| 00:52.13 | travisat | errr thats helpful |
| 00:52.32 | nvz | travisat: what were you looking for? |
| 00:52.35 | Blu3Fr0g | anyone got a link to a more thorough description? |
| 00:52.36 | Blu3Fr0g | :D |
| 00:52.48 | travisat | nvz: link or info to use loadlin maybe |
| 00:54.29 | nvz | travisat: http://elserv.ffm.fgan.de/~lermen/ |
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| 00:55.47 | dvs | swatikiss: Try putting that new file in /etc/modutils |
| 00:56.03 | swatikiss | dvs okay, ill try that |
| 00:56.30 | travisat | dpkg: loadlin =~ s#prompt#prompt, this link may help you use it: http://elserv.ffm.fgan.de/~lermen/# |
| 00:56.30 | dpkg | travisat: OK |
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| 00:58.45 | swatikiss | dvs how do i update my modules again ? |
| 00:58.55 | dvs | swatikiss: update-modules |
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| 00:59.41 | Blu3Fr0g | would it be easier if I put the hard disk in another machine? Could I install linux and the install files and then put the drive back in the other machine and boot in to linux and reinstall? |
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| 00:59.57 | calyth | swatikiss: update-modules |
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| 01:01.09 | swatikiss | ok, i did that... i still can't seem to get eth0 up |
| 01:01.35 | dvs | swatikiss: I thought you had problems with eth1? |
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| 01:02.31 | calyth | problem with ALSA - I have the modules loaded, but /proc/asound/cards says no sound cards found..... so what could be wrong? |
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| 01:03.12 | swatikiss | dvs, oH, YEs, that was true :P - however in my alias files, eth0 is the one with the tulip card... |
| 01:03.24 | fatalblu_ | anyone here have a working drupal under sarge? |
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| 01:05.14 | swatikiss | somehow, my eth0 and eth1 are swapped from what i would like the m to be |
| 01:05.58 | caphuso | load the modules in the different order |
| 01:06.06 | bob2 | or use ifrename |
| 01:06.09 | dvs | swatikiss: Why does it matter which one is eth0 and eth1 |
| 01:06.23 | swatikiss | and when i try to bring up eth1 it says "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" |
| 01:06.40 | swatikiss | caphuso, ok, how ? |
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| 01:06.54 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 01:07.08 | caphuso | swatikiss: by loading the module your currernt eth1 uses before the module your current eth0 uses |
| 01:07.19 | caphuso | or follow bob2's suggestion |
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| 01:09.01 | cafuego | aardvark: botsnack |
| 01:09.28 | travisat | @eat aarfvark |
| 01:09.40 | FieldySnuts | aardvark: what are you? |
| 01:09.48 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:09.53 | cafuego | @rot13 aardvark |
| 01:09.54 | ravenbird | nneqinex |
| 01:10.01 | FieldySnuts | er? |
| 01:10.03 | swatikiss | ok, i managed to get my tulip card to come up.. when i modprobe ne, it says it is loading "eth%d"... that doesnt seem to be right ? |
| 01:10.10 | FieldySnuts | sounds like sgeiger |
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| 01:11.15 | cafuego | swatikiss: is udev saying that? |
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| 01:11.42 | swatikiss | cafuego: well, not sure what that is... it happens when i load that module |
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| 01:12.03 | cafuego | swatikiss: Does 'ifconfig -a' then show the ethX device? |
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| 01:13.01 | swatikiss | cafuego it lists an eth0 and eth1 there.. how can i tell if that ne module is up with eth1 ? |
| 01:13.05 | cra|g | o |
| 01:13.05 | cra|g | f |
| 01:13.18 | GirderSank | t |
| 01:13.19 | GirderSank | h |
| 01:13.19 | GirderSank | e |
| 01:13.20 | cra|g | w |
| 01:13.20 | cra|g | a |
| 01:13.21 | cafuego | swatikiss: Check the MAC address |
| 01:13.21 | cra|g | l |
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| 01:13.25 | cafuego | !ops spammers |
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| 01:13.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spammers |
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| 01:14.10 | nvz | how can I figure out what type of agp slot is in a PC to know what video cards I can get? |
| 01:14.23 | swatikiss | cafuego , ok, when i do " ifup eth1" i get "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" - how can i fix that ? |
| 01:14.23 | cafuego | Landus == cra|g |
| 01:14.28 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:14.32 | Landus | Huh? |
| 01:14.33 | bob2 | waiting for it to do something |
| 01:14.35 | cafuego | swatikiss: Add it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:14.47 | cafuego | bob2: It exists, that should be enough ;-) |
| 01:14.50 | Landus | Whosa craig? |
| 01:14.52 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:14.56 | travisat | Landus: you |
| 01:14.59 | benjamindees | nvz, the bios will probably tell you |
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| 01:15.01 | bob2 | Landus: the idiot who was just using your computer |
| 01:15.04 | bob2 | presumably you |
| 01:15.05 | cafuego | Landus: Your botnet. |
| 01:15.11 | Landus | English? |
| 01:15.16 | FieldySnuts | @lart Landus |
| 01:15.19 | nvz | benjamindees: oh, ok.. well I wouldnt mind a backup plan in case it doesnt |
| 01:15.37 | FieldySnuts | Landus: you got punked. |
| 01:15.41 | gravity | Landus: Either you've been 0wn3d or you're a dick |
| 01:15.51 | helix | and you're all being trolled |
| 01:15.56 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 01:15.57 | GirderSank | irc.o-t-w.org - where *everyone* is special (#otw) |
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| 01:16.08 | FieldySnuts | sheesh |
| 01:16.08 | cafuego | GirderSank: Go away |
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| 01:16.26 | swatikiss | cafuego, duh, thanks! |
| 01:16.29 | cafuego | Landus: Stop fucking with spambots |
| 01:16.31 | gravity | Geez |
| 01:16.34 | Poprocks | does anyone know what the status of GNOME in Sid is? |
| 01:16.34 | nvz | heh (: I am not being trolled :P I am doing price lookups on video cards, and wanted to know if there was some way to figure out which ones will fit in this system |
| 01:16.38 | Poprocks | err |
| 01:16.40 | Poprocks | GNOME 2.10? |
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| 01:16.43 | kmaynard | has anyone ever had trouble using large hard drives in older pc's? |
| 01:16.47 | bob2 | Poprocks: 2.10 is not going into sarge |
| 01:16.50 | cafuego | kmaynard: yes |
| 01:16.52 | bob2 | thus not into sid atm |
| 01:16.55 | nvz | not only fit in but work well in debian :P |
| 01:16.56 | FieldySnuts | topic. |
| 01:16.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 01:17.06 | Landus | cafuego: If you want to exchange insults, you lose. |
| 01:17.06 | Poprocks | oh ok thanks |
| 01:17.13 | eidolon | hey folks - trying to get a usb cdrom drive up on debian testing. connecting up gives me a 'scsi0: scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices yadda yadd. 'new full speed usb device using address...' but i don't see what i normally see with my pen drive - like 'sdc...' |
| 01:17.16 | nvz | looking at this nVidia 5600 with tv out and tuner right now.. says 8xAGP |
| 01:17.17 | Landus | cafuego: So stop being a dick. |
| 01:17.18 | eidolon | any ideas? |
| 01:17.19 | kmaynard | cafuego: were you able to work around it? |
| 01:17.20 | bob2 | Landus: enough |
| 01:17.32 | bob2 | eidolon: /dev/scd0 or so |
| 01:17.35 | cafuego | Landus: I want you to stop spamming the channel and to go away. Not to insult you. |
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| 01:17.50 | Landus | This is the first time I've been here. |
| 01:17.50 | eidolon | bob2: no such device :( |
| 01:18.02 | cafuego | Landus: Then your box has been hacked. |
| 01:18.05 | eidolon | nothing in /dev/cscd* |
| 01:18.06 | bob2 | eidolon: do you have sr_mod loaded? |
| 01:18.09 | eidolon | er. /dev/scd* |
| 01:18.17 | Landus | And I'm suprised that a giant flora of dickhead can thrive in one place. |
| 01:18.20 | FieldySnuts | time to install rkhunter / chkrootkit and run em now |
| 01:18.22 | eidolon | bob2: nope. one moment :) |
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| 01:18.24 | FieldySnuts | god. |
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| 01:18.49 | Landus | Linux PhearThePenguin 2.6.11-gentoo-r4 #1 Sun Mar 20 16:06:44 EST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
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| 01:19.06 | bob2 | shockingly, an idiot gentoo user |
| 01:19.07 | nvz | His system now is using the onboard i810 video that came with it, but he got an agp slot, and he wants something that will do good 3d in debian. If this nVidia 5600 VT128 will work, its probably the cheapest solution |
| 01:19.23 | aardvark | emerge fucktards |
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| 01:21.00 | bob2 | 11:20:38 Landus | I'm not an idiot gentoo user. |
| 01:21.00 | bob2 | 11:20:47 Landus | Your a dickless debian user. |
| 01:21.02 | bob2 | haha |
| 01:21.02 | kmaynard | i use gentoo on my desktop and work server...about to put debian on my storage server |
| 01:21.04 | eidolon | okay, bob2: modprobe loaded it, but it didn't bind to anything (lsmod shows no links)... i tried pulling the usb device and reinserting it, no dice. |
| 01:21.11 | eidolon | (lsmod still shows 0 links) |
| 01:21.14 | travisat | lspci | grep AGP should show if you can use agp |
| 01:21.16 | cafuego | bob2: You should tell him most women are dickless. |
| 01:21.24 | gravity | What a jackass |
| 01:21.34 | bob2 | presumably another one of it's bots is in here |
| 01:21.41 | bob2 | eidolon: hrm, odd |
| 01:21.54 | gravity | Doesn't he have anything better to do than troll here? |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:22.02 | eidolon | well, unplugging may not have unbound... i could. hm. i could do what? :) i basically need to reset the usb bus. |
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| 01:22.02 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 01:22.05 | gravity | Apparently he is both talentless and unimaginitive |
| 01:22.21 | helix | ...and probably not worth talking about |
| 01:22.27 | cafuego | gravity: He's waiting for 'world' to recompile. he's got HOURS to kill. |
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| 01:22.42 | travisat | maybe I should troll #gentoo |
| 01:22.44 | gravity | cafuego: Good point :-) |
| 01:22.47 | gravity | travisat: Please don't |
| 01:23.01 | cafuego | travisat: Just /msg him the time every second. |
| 01:23.02 | travisat | gravity: I wouldn't stoop that low |
| 01:23.06 | ep | which java do you guys prefer? |
| 01:23.11 | gravity | travisat: Thank you |
| 01:23.13 | FieldySnuts | yes, please don't. |
| 01:23.15 | cafuego | ep: Jamaican Blue |
| 01:23.17 | citral | cafuego: hehehe |
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| 01:23.38 | abrotman | bob2: were those two lines from #gentoo? |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | why is he electric? |
| 01:23.43 | ep | Never had it. I drink 15 cups a day:) |
| 01:23.44 | bob2 | abrotman: /msg |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | bob2: oh |
| 01:23.54 | swatikiss | how can i change the order that modules are loaded at boot ? |
| 01:24.08 | karsten | swatikiss: Change the order they're specified in /etc/modules |
| 01:24.18 | zorpit | dmesg shows that the driver picked up my card (3c905c), but pinging shows "no route", and I don't seem to get led blinks on xmit... any ideas? |
| 01:24.45 | karsten | ep: TJ's double-dark when on budget. Graffeo's dark when not. |
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| 01:25.09 | cafuego | karsten: Would those be considered coffee in Italy? |
| 01:25.13 | eidolon | zorpit: did you configure the interface? |
| 01:25.17 | transgress | is there an apt-get for windows media codecs? |
| 01:25.20 | eidolon | driver picking it up is only part of it. |
| 01:25.24 | sigma957 | whois sigma957 |
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| 01:25.28 | karsten | cafuego: The Trader Joe's is acceptable. The Graffeo's definitely. |
| 01:25.30 | cafuego | transgress: yes, w32codecs (on marillat) |
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| 01:25.42 | zorpit | eidolon: Hrm... do you mean /etc/network/interfaces? it's set super-simple, dhcp |
| 01:25.52 | eidolon | what does ifconfig eth0 show? |
| 01:25.54 | FieldySnuts | ugh i feel sick, brb |
| 01:25.54 | cafuego | karsten: only, when I was in the US and had coffee, it was tea. |
| 01:26.30 | karsten | cafuego: US coffee's something like US beer. There's a lot of mainstream crud. But the smaller sources can be pretty damned good. |
| 01:26.40 | zorpit | eidolon: hrmm... a buncha stuff, but notably no IP |
| 01:26.47 | cafuego | karsten: Second time around i brought a kilo of Mocopan <heh> |
| 01:26.48 | eidolon | sounds like a problem. |
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| 01:26.56 | cafuego | karsten: (factory fresh) |
| 01:27.03 | eidolon | is dhclient running? |
| 01:27.06 | zorpit | eidolon: lol |
| 01:27.07 | eidolon | (ps aux | grep dhc) |
| 01:27.13 | karsten | cafuego: Graffeo's a family firm in SF for going on 80 years, I know them well. |
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| 01:27.22 | zorpit | eidolon: now there is |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | karsten: the problem is that the rest of the world thinks we all buy beer and coffee at wal-mart :) |
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| 01:27.39 | zorpit | eidolon: oops, it seems like it started then quit |
| 01:27.41 | FieldySnuts | you don't? |
| 01:27.51 | cef | hrm.. I can't get X forwarding to work. ssh host is Woody, ssh client is Sarge |
| 01:27.53 | eidolon | i'd do 'dhclient eth0' and see if you get an answer. |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i haven't been in a walmart since i visited home a while ago |
| 01:28.03 | karsten | cafuego: I took 2 lbs of Graffeo with me to AU, another two when trekking x-country. I was first teased, then foregiven, by the local coffee snobs. |
| 01:28.05 | FieldySnuts | cef: are you using the -X flag with the client? |
| 01:28.14 | karsten | abrotman: Truth. |
| 01:28.21 | citral | doesn't the entire world drink lavazza? |
| 01:28.34 | cef | FieldySnuts: yes. and I've made sure 'X11Forwarding Yes' is in the server config too |
| 01:28.35 | FieldySnuts | new one on me, i'm not a coffee drinker though |
| 01:28.37 | sigma957 | abrotman: you aren't missing anything. wal-mart is evil |
| 01:28.41 | cafuego | citral: The problem with lavazza is that it's roasted in italy. |
| 01:28.41 | karsten | cafuego: ironically, I keep the fresh-ground in a 15 y.o. Folgers tin. |
| 01:28.48 | FieldySnuts | cef: okay. log in, and do echo $DISPLAY , does it return anything? |
| 01:28.53 | cafuego | karsten: <heh> |
| 01:28.55 | michal_ | not sure why i'm asking here, guess it's because i know there are some savvy users here, but does anyone know of anywhere that reviews cisco routers? such as the 1720.. i was thinking of buying one and couldn't find any reviews via google |
| 01:28.57 | cafuego | karsten: Hence the mocking |
| 01:29.05 | karsten | cafuego: Sure. People get over it. |
| 01:29.08 | citral | cafuego: I buy the corns... it's pretty fresh so |
| 01:29.11 | cef | FieldySnuts: was about to say, it's not setting the display var |
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| 01:29.16 | cafuego | citral: corns? |
| 01:29.20 | karsten | cafuego: ...having to peal them off the ceiling after serving them "a cup" does that. |
| 01:29.22 | cafuego | citral: you mean beans? |
| 01:29.26 | citral | yeah |
| 01:29.28 | citral | :P |
| 01:29.30 | FieldySnuts | cef: yeah then it's not working out right. my last idea, is did you 1) actually save the new config 2) restart the server |
| 01:29.31 | karsten | cafuego: Stovetop espresso maker. A large mug == 6 shots. |
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| 01:29.43 | karsten | cafuego: http://www.graffeo.com/pages/source/sf.htm |
| 01:29.51 | cafuego | citral: There's still no knowing how long they've been on a ship/in a warehouse. |
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| 01:29.55 | ep | stock up read in the paper, coffee is going up |
| 01:29.59 | maco | hi all |
| 01:30.03 | cef | FieldySnuts: yes and yes.. I'll have a look-see in the logs |
| 01:30.04 | citral | true true |
| 01:30.11 | FieldySnuts | cef: yeah maybe it's something misspelt, then. |
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| 01:30.22 | maco | is there any way to remove .deb with ignoring all dependencies ? |
| 01:30.28 | karsten | cafuego: They ship but not out-of-country due to export/import rules. I tried sending a grilf in Canada some, had to package it m'self. |
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| 01:30.46 | cafuego | karsten: http://www.mocopan.com.au/ |
| 01:30.48 | karsten | maco: dpkg and force options. Not recommended. Maybe you want to see equivs. |
| 01:30.57 | zorpit | eidolon: aha - i think i'm on the track now, thanks to you. bbiab if this doesn't end up working |
| 01:31.00 | karsten | cafuego: Where you at? |
| 01:31.05 | cafuego | karsten: Melbourne |
| 01:31.07 | eidolon | good luck. |
| 01:31.07 | FieldySnuts | cef: I have all of the following 3 set , not sure if all three are really needed but it works here: X11Forwarding X11DisplayOffset X11UseLocalhost (yes, 10, yes) |
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| 01:31.13 | karsten | cafuego: OK. |
| 01:31.15 | cafuego | (not that there's much on that site - duh) |
| 01:31.20 | michal_ | best as I can tell there are NO affordable routers that have multiple ethernet ports all of which can be firewalled from one another :/ |
| 01:31.24 | maco | karsten: equivs? |
| 01:31.33 | karsten | cafuego: There's a shop I knew in N. Sydney that had a decent brew. And very healthy greek counter girls. |
| 01:31.35 | cef | nah nothing in the logs.. hrm.. X11UserLocalhost.. I |
| 01:31.36 | FieldySnuts | cisco is quality stuff, you're going to pay for it |
| 01:31.40 | karsten | !tell maco about equivs |
| 01:31.43 | citral | michal_: a pentium II with debian... |
| 01:31.49 | FieldySnuts | cef: yeah it's not User it's Use |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | karsten: how do you know they were healthy? |
| 01:31.58 | crabby | I tried downloading the netinstall disk but it didn't work, i just got errors, Which net install iso should i use? |
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| 01:32.13 | FieldySnuts | cef: only the first should really be needed, but a misspelt other option might cause problems |
| 01:32.17 | cafuego | karsten: They thing about Sydney coffee is that they favour the ones with a "pretty froth art". |
| 01:32.17 | karsten | maco: They allow you to satisfy a dependency w/o installing a Debian package. Say, if you satisfy a need locally (eg: MTA). |
| 01:32.22 | michal_ | fieldy: what's so "quality" about it.. the reviewless ratings for the 1720 i've come across rank it at around 60% whatever that means |
| 01:32.24 | karsten | abrotman: The looked damned healthy. |
| 01:32.24 | ep | you can tell by looking:) |
| 01:32.35 | WiFiTux | someone uses mogrify and knows the syntax to make files from 700kb to 70kb or so? |
| 01:32.38 | FieldySnuts | michal_: I don't know, i'm not a routing engineer |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
| 01:32.42 | karsten | cafuego: You talking cappuccino or straight espresso? |
| 01:32.50 | michal_ | citral: a pentium2 with debian that's the size of a router is very expensive |
| 01:32.52 | cafuego | karsten: Whereas I think that coffee + $STUFF is abomination unto god |
| 01:33.05 | cafuego | karsten: lattes and cappuchinos |
| 01:33.10 | FieldySnuts | mainly you're paying for cisco's IOS |
| 01:33.17 | karsten | cafuego: *EVIL* |
| 01:33.19 | FieldySnuts | my advice is to find one used, shrug |
| 01:33.22 | cafuego | karsten: yes |
| 01:33.23 | karsten | cafuego: ...though I'm partial to a good mocha. |
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| 01:33.28 | cafuego | karsten: espresso is the only way to fly |
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| 01:33.37 | michal_ | i can get the IOS for free through work.. it's the hardware that interests me |
| 01:33.43 | maco | karsten: well I need to replace wireless-tools with my own compiled ones |
| 01:34.00 | karsten | maco: Right. You'd use equivs for something like that. |
| 01:34.09 | cafuego | michal_: Too bad, I sued to have a little 801 that was surplus to requirements. |
| 01:34.15 | karsten | maco: Ask channel. I know about equivs, but haven't used 'em m'self. |
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| 01:34.45 | michal_ | do any of the cisco's have multiple ethernet ports? as in more than 2 |
| 01:34.53 | cafuego | michal_: Of course. |
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| 01:35.11 | michal_ | i know there is a 4 port switch module for the 1700 series.. but that looks VERY expensive and i don't know that you can address each interface seperately |
| 01:35.14 | FieldySnuts | yeah. google for cisco 12000 |
| 01:35.38 | debian4U2 | crabby, what is ur prob |
| 01:35.44 | FieldySnuts | he's crabby! |
| 01:35.53 | karsten | cafuego: Has "pocky" made it to Melbourne yet? |
| 01:36.03 | eidolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.03 | debian4U2 | :-d |
| 01:36.04 | eidolon | oops |
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| 01:36.30 | maco | rthanks |
| 01:36.44 | karsten | cafuego: Thai ice-milk tea/coffee w/ something like tapioca balls in 'em. |
| 01:36.52 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: The 4 port switch is only ~$200 .us if you have a decent contract with a decent vendor. |
| 01:37.03 | transgress | yay found w32codecs for debian. yay. |
| 01:37.10 | cef | FieldySnuts: still no luck.. the machine has various X stuff installed on it, but not a full working server |
| 01:37.18 | FieldySnuts | cef: i'm at a loss, then :( |
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| 01:37.36 | cef | FieldySnuts: what 'should' the DISPLAY line look like? |
| 01:37.38 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 01:37.39 | chealer | !testing netinst |
| 01:37.39 | dpkg | The testing netinstall isos do not work properly. You don't want to use them. Use woody, then upgrade. |
| 01:37.44 | debian4U2 | :-dwhat is the matter Fieldy? |
| 01:37.45 | FieldySnuts | cef: localhost:10 or similar |
| 01:37.47 | black_Nightmare | any of you have any experience with 'woody' ? |
| 01:37.59 | cef | FieldySnuts: ok.. hrm. time to look |
| 01:38.00 | radslack | yeah |
| 01:38.00 | chealer | cafuego: do you think the testing netinst factoid should be changed or it holds true? |
| 01:38.08 | transgress | actually i did see that |
| 01:38.12 | karsten | black_Nightmare: Quite. |
| 01:38.13 | transgress | i remember watching that happen |
| 01:38.15 | ep | in this group? |
| 01:38.19 | transgress | oops wrong channel |
| 01:38.29 | radslack | black_Nightmare: pretty much exp. |
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| 01:38.58 | radslack | black_Nightmare: do you have a question about it? |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | chealer: the daily images do |
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| 01:39.16 | black_Nightmare | karsten&radslack hmm how difficult is it to get set up for the first time? oh adn I probably could try replace the hd if necessary but.. its for a 6300CD [yeah yeah I know...supposed to be a road apple and nubus-based altogether] |
| 01:39.27 | chealer | abrotman: they do...not work :? |
| 01:39.29 | black_Nightmare | would 1.1gb be enough or I should try replace hd anyhow? |
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| 01:39.34 | abrotman | chealer: they do |
| 01:39.37 | karsten | black_Nightmare: I'd recommend doing a sarge netinst unless you've got good reasons not to do so. |
| 01:39.45 | radslack | black_Nightmare: that would be plenty of space |
| 01:39.47 | syamajala | does anyone know if there is an e17 repo for amd64? |
| 01:39.53 | black_Nightmare | kars...a what? |
| 01:39.53 | karsten | black_Nightmare: What's a 6300CD? |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | !tell syamajala about amd64 |
| 01:40.00 | WiFiTux | How can I cat a file and grep the line and get a line number? |
| 01:40.02 | black_Nightmare | radslack - oh so 1.1gb is plenty then actually? |
| 01:40.03 | radslack | black_Nightmare: you should try sarge, the packages are alot newer. You'll have more fun with it |
| 01:40.05 | chealer | abrotman: I'm not natively English-speaking, could you precise what you mean? |
| 01:40.16 | black_Nightmare | kars... desktop-form powermacintosh (called performa in north america too for some reason) |
| 01:40.23 | syamajala | abrotman, i know but there is no one alive in #debian-amd64... |
| 01:40.26 | radslack | black_Nightmare: that would be plenty for both woody and sarge |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | chealer: the daily images of the testing installer work |
| 01:40.34 | abrotman | syamajala: that doens't make this the right place to ask |
| 01:40.35 | black_Nightmare | hm ok radslack...ram? |
| 01:40.36 | karsten | black_Nightmare: sarge == current unstable, but it's very near release. Netinst == network install. You need a minimal installation disk, download other packages over an Internet connection. |
| 01:40.46 | debian4U2 | is that crabby as in crabby pattie :-p |
| 01:40.47 | WiFiTux | How can I cat a file and grep the line and get a line number? |
| 01:40.54 | karsten | WiFiTux: grep -c. You don' tneed cat |
| 01:40.54 | black_Nightmare | kars...I'll rather try install from cd anyhow...ty |
| 01:40.58 | radslack | black_Nightmare: 64mb would be a minimum for Gnome I'd say |
| 01:40.58 | syamajala | abrotman, well it seemed like the next best place... |
| 01:41.12 | chealer | abrotman: ok...and are you saying that rc2 is too broken? |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | syamajala: how about the Enlightenment channel? |
| 01:41.18 | black_Nightmare | radslack.. 64mb? ughhhhhhhhhh and thats the ram ceiling in the 6300CD already |
| 01:41.22 | black_Nightmare | maybe not such a grand idea |
| 01:41.30 | syamajala | abrotman, no knew in there either |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | chealer: certain versions of the RC2 are broken .. but the dailies work fine |
| 01:41.45 | karsten | WiFiTux: Um. grep -n. Not -c. |
| 01:41.50 | radslack | black_Nightmare: What exactly do you plan running on this woody install? |
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| 01:42.02 | black_Nightmare | radslack...well..actually just having linux because :) |
| 01:42.03 | chealer | abrotman: certain versions, that mean for certain architectures or what? |
| 01:42.05 | karsten | black_Nightmare: Please put my full name on the line, it highlights. Tab completion is your friend. |
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| 01:42.20 | abrotman | chealer: the details are at debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:42.39 | black_Nightmare | plan to have a ppc laptop so the 6300CD can be for to fiddle around with and that mean maybe a different os too ;) |
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| 01:42.59 | radslack | black_Nightmare: then I'm sure it will work out with whatever hardware you have, unless you're doing important things, newer hardware isn't as crucial |
| 01:43.16 | karsten | black_Nightmare: netinst runs from CD. It's *gobs* faster than d/l'ing a full installation CD set. ~110 MB + packages, rather than 9 GB for a installation disk set. |
| 01:43.22 | crackhead | hmmmm.....what is /boot/config-2.4.26-1-386? |
| 01:43.40 | crackhead | is that the file that was used to compile the kernel? |
| 01:43.41 | black_Nightmare | hrm...remind me to try these 32mb simms in and hope one of the two spare pc pairs I have will work in the mac to get the 64mb ceiling :p |
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| 01:43.57 | karsten | black_Nightmare: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:43.57 | black_Nightmare | if that doesn't work..at least I tried ;) |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | chealer: make sense now? |
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| 01:44.08 | WiFiTux | karsten, awesome |
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| 01:44.13 | Cyanophytes | after editing /etc/network/interfaces how do I get it to recognize the changes |
| 01:44.32 | zorpit | Cyanophyt: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:44.43 | black_Nightmare | ughh...ok where the hell did I put the ex-LC pds ethernet card now............. *scratches head* |
| 01:44.47 | karsten | Cyanophytes: ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface> |
| 01:44.56 | agiofws | root# rm -fR foo.bar / this removed everything on /dev/hda2(ext3) and /dev/hda4(ext3) is there a way to recover? |
| 01:45.10 | WiFiTux | karsten, how about mogrify, ever used it? |
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| 01:45.12 | chealer | abrotman: sorry, I thought I was awaken, but maybe not. I'm still not sure what you mean by RC2 versions (just looking at that specific page) |
| 01:45.19 | karsten | WiFiTux: Yes. |
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| 01:45.20 | zorpit | agiofws: wow... unlikely |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | chealer: moment |
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| 01:45.40 | abrotman | chealer: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
| 01:45.44 | black_Nightmare | radslack..I guess a lot of gnome/kde need at least 64mb of ram I take it? |
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| 01:45.51 | zorpit | agiofws: let all the pain sink in and teach you a lesson about each of these: #1) root, #2) -f |
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| 01:46.01 | chealer | abrotman: oh I think I see |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | chealer: see the note at the bottom about daily? |
| 01:46.15 | swatikiss | msg dpkg scp |
| 01:46.16 | agiofws | zorpit does debugfs do anything? |
| 01:46.20 | radslack | black_Nightmare: it doesnt really NEED it per se. How much ram you got? Give me a quick overview of your specs. |
| 01:46.21 | jsn | Within the next few hours I think I _really_ need to capture a realplay stream. Anyone know how I might do it? |
| 01:46.23 | agiofws | or ext3rminator? |
| 01:46.25 | cafuego | Can anyone confirm for me that the latest php4 in Sarge is 4.3.10-9 and NOT 4.3.10-8, like PDO claims? |
| 01:46.34 | karsten | dpkg: useless use of cat is http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/era/unix/award.html |
| 01:46.34 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 01:46.35 | zorpit | agiofws: if there's some highly valuable piece of info you need to find, you could try searching through /dev/hda2, etc |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | cafuego: dpkg? |
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| 01:46.51 | abrotman | !info php4 sarge |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | cafuego: you win |
| 01:47.03 | cafuego | Ok, so PDO is out of date |
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| 01:47.13 | abrotman | !kill PDO |
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| 01:47.19 | thomas_adam | dpkg: useless use of cat is also ask me about <uuoc> |
| 01:47.19 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 01:47.22 | zorpit | agiofws: it's possible - i've done similar stuff, and tried a few jicky ways to recover ... mosly i just learned to not make the same mistake again |
| 01:47.28 | karsten | thomas_adam: Thanks. |
| 01:47.33 | cafuego | Seeing as it's supposed to break quite badly if you use mod-auth-mysql |
| 01:47.41 | thomas_adam | karsten: You ought to have checked first, ideally. :. |
| 01:47.44 | black_Nightmare | radslack...its nearby stock but anyhow... 1.1gb hd original, original cdrom (4x I think?), 28.8K geoport modem, apple video card standard, 2x 16MB mac ram [but I have two unused pairs of 32MB pc rams to try put in] |
| 01:47.46 | karsten | thomas_adam: I *did* |
| 01:47.53 | WiFiTux | karsten, do you know the command to make them 10 or 20K instead of 700K? |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | thomas_adam: How'd you find it? 'listkeys *cat' and 'listkeys *useless*' didn't do much. |
| 01:48.02 | black_Nightmare | and I'm certain I had it somewhere but I dunno where now..have a lc pds (ex-LC) ethernet card too |
| 01:48.04 | karsten | WiFiTux: ?? |
| 01:48.12 | black_Nightmare | its a 603e 100mhz |
| 01:48.13 | thomas_adam | karsten: Heh. :P |
| 01:48.24 | agiofws | zorpit can you tell me how to? |
| 01:48.28 | cafuego | black_Nightmare: That'll happily run Debian. |
| 01:48.31 | pipeline | black_Nightmare: You'll need to use some form of mkLinux or NetBSD. |
| 01:48.37 | thomas_adam | karsten: I've been using UUOC as an abbreviation for a long time now -- as have, oooh, lots of others... :) |
| 01:48.42 | pipeline | cafuego: It will? It's a NuBus machine... |
| 01:48.44 | black_Nightmare | pipeline..I checked and netbsd is pci-based mac's only |
| 01:48.50 | karsten | thomas_adam: Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:48.52 | radslack | black_Nightmare: hmm. just give it rip. go for it. Let us know your results. The worst that could happen is that it would be slow :P. |
| 01:48.53 | WiFiTux | karsten, I need to use mogrify to modify 100 pictures and make them from 700Kb to 20Kb or so |
| 01:48.53 | karsten | !tell thomas_adam about esp |
| 01:48.55 | karsten | ;-) |
| 01:49.20 | black_Nightmare | radslack...I dunno...sometimes I just don't like wasting long installion times usually |
| 01:49.29 | black_Nightmare | ;) |
| 01:49.32 | karsten | WiFiTux: AFAIR mogrify won't reduce images to a given filesize. You *can* change resolution, format, and (IIRC) jpg compression. |
| 01:49.35 | pipeline | black_Nightmare: Whoa, that's pretty weird, given that they support all the individual components of a nubus powermac. |
| 01:49.43 | jsn | There must be software to redirect a stream to a file, right? It's not quite life or death, at least, I don't think it is, but it is, it's so important!@ |
| 01:49.48 | chealer | abrotman: the article talks about "Network installs from rc2 floppys". I don't find them, are they at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ ? |
| 01:49.51 | karsten | WiFiTux: Last is '-quality' option. |
| 01:49.53 | pipeline | black_Nightmare: i.e. they support 603e's, they support the chipset, they support nubus and PDS cards... just not powerpc nubus systems :P |
| 01:50.02 | radslack | black_nightmare: it wont take that long |
| 01:50.08 | black_Nightmare | pipeline..its to do with the bus itself. and the thing is that the LC PDS is actually a nubus-based bus too (shows up as nubus adapter in apple profiler on the 6300CD) |
| 01:50.15 | cafuego | black_Nightmare: it won't be horribly fast, and you'll nedd a small macOS partition so yuo can run BootX, but debian *will* run. |
| 01:50.20 | black_Nightmare | the 603e was also used in pci-based mac's too |
| 01:50.28 | karsten | WiFiTux: I'd do a "mkdir small; cp *.jpg small; cd small; mogrify -resize <w>x<h> -quality <quality> *.jpg |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | chealer: i think so |
| 01:50.32 | WiFiTux | karsten, how about -resize? |
| 01:50.40 | karsten | WiFiTux: ...having tested for what's going to work for me first. |
| 01:50.45 | karsten | WiFiTux: ^^ |
| 01:50.49 | WiFiTux | jeje |
| 01:50.52 | chealer | abrotman: I figure out they wouldn't make the entire distro on floppies :) |
| 01:50.58 | jsn | WiFiTux, if you are shrinking stuff, I bet imagemagick will work, too. |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | wanna bet? |
| 01:51.00 | WiFiTux | karsten, what's a nice small res? |
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| 01:51.12 | WiFiTux | jsn, yeah, convert? |
| 01:51.12 | chealer | abrotman: uh, if you ask, I won't |
| 01:51.13 | black_Nightmare | pipeline..its a bit like you have one type of P4 cpu itself but it works on different motherboard buses |
| 01:51.21 | WiFiTux | jsn, But I need to make that to 100pics |
| 01:51.21 | black_Nightmare | so a 603e can be on either nubus or pci based logic board |
| 01:51.23 | black_Nightmare | understood? |
| 01:51.24 | pipeline | black_Nightmare: Yes, I know. |
| 01:51.28 | karsten | WiFiTux: the quality level affects jpg size a lot. It also affects quality. < 85% tends to produce increasingly apparent artifacts. |
| 01:51.28 | black_Nightmare | no problem :p |
| 01:51.31 | karsten | WiFiTux: 1x1 |
| 01:51.34 | chealer | abrotman: when did you see that last time? |
| 01:51.50 | WiFiTux | karsten, 1x1 like for an internet site? cool! |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | chealer: you can install woody with like 40 floppies :) |
| 01:51.52 | jsn | WiFiTux, sorry, I just know I've done it, I've forgotten how. I don't think the number of pics should matter. ls > files_to_change and then right a tiny script. |
| 01:52.01 | jsn | write, even |
| 01:52.01 | karsten | WiFiTux: That's really for you to decide. How big are the images. What are you planning on doing with 'em. How much detail do you need. |
| 01:52.03 | pipeline | black_Nightmare: The Nubus powermacs use pretty much the same chipset as the 68k based Quadra av series. And Nubus is extensively supported in NetBSD. There's probably not much work standing between NetBSD and a Nubus PPC support, but it just hasn't been done :P |
| 01:52.08 | caphuso | WiFiTux: yeah, 1x1 is great. you don't get artifacts at all |
| 01:52.16 | cef | FieldySnuts: bah! I needed xbase-clients installed on the Woody box.. doh!.. all done now |
| 01:52.18 | black_Nightmare | pipeline..hmm good thought...ty |
| 01:52.19 | WiFiTux | caphuso, awesome, thanks. |
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| 01:52.25 | karsten | caphuso: Dunno. Those 1x1 wavelets can be real killers. |
| 01:52.26 | WiFiTux | karsten, jsn thanks1 |
| 01:52.26 | chealer | abrotman: hum...which is kind of a netinst? |
| 01:52.37 | karsten | caphuso: They can obscure the entire image. |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | chealer: iirc ... no .. working system :) |
| 01:52.40 | caphuso | karsten: heh |
| 01:52.48 | FieldySnuts | cef: that's good. if you're not on a very fast network or LAN, be sure to use the -C option to the ssh client, uses compression. the server may also force it on. |
| 01:52.57 | jsn | ahem, WiFiTux, 1x1 would leave no artifacts because it would only contain one pixel. |
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| 01:53.11 | chealer | abrotman: but the netinst ships a working system too IIRC, no? |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | chealer: yes |
| 01:53.19 | agiofws | root# rm -fR foo.bar / this removed everything on /dev/hda2(ext3) and /dev/hda4(ext3) is there a way to recover the lost data? |
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| 01:53.21 | FieldySnuts | cef: alternatively you might find vnc more useful, though it's anywhere from slightly lossy to very lossy (your choice, quality/speed tradeoff) |
| 01:53.25 | karsten | WiFiTux: Take a handful of the images and try different settings. *Work* *on* *copies* so you can redo the transfor if necessary. |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | agiofws: your backup of course! |
| 01:53.50 | agiofws | anything else? |
| 01:53.51 | FieldySnuts | hard lessons. ouch |
| 01:53.54 | agiofws | abrotman? |
| 01:53.54 | WiFiTux | karsten, yep, thanks. I'm playing with it now. I used to use convert but it only takes one pic at a time I think |
| 01:54.01 | FieldySnuts | unless you want to pay a data recovery company (not cheap), no |
| 01:54.09 | chealer | abrotman: so I'm not sure what's the difference, except if the floppies don't propose to fetch the rest from the net during the install |
| 01:54.12 | FieldySnuts | speaking of that I haven't done my full daily backup (i learned hard in the past) |
| 01:54.16 | jsn | agiofws, yeah, you'd have to go to the physical layer. data recovery |
| 01:54.26 | karsten | WiFiTux: mogrify rocks. You can rip through a lot of stuff. |
| 01:54.27 | jsn | How much is that, for, say, a 40Gig HD? Anyone know? |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | chealer: i korean! |
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| 01:54.47 | utku | hi all, I can not see normally the posts with win 1254 charset. Must I install something. I am currently tring to use system with turkish charsets and englicl locale... |
| 01:54.47 | FieldySnuts | us$1000 easily, more likely 3000 or more |
| 01:54.49 | caphuso | agiofws: ext3rminator might get some stuff back, but definitely not everything, and a lot of the files it recover will be garbled |
| 01:54.50 | jsn | WiFiTux, karsten rocks. He knows a lot of stuff. ') |
| 01:54.55 | tony | fo those of u talking about images heres an interesting piece that works iGal: online Image GALlery generator |
| 01:55.02 | agiofws | well its a 40gb disk but i only need th 2 partions so say 20gb |
| 01:55.07 | jsn | FieldySnuts, wow. Thx. Glad I never needed to know. |
| 01:55.07 | utku | while using pan |
| 01:55.10 | karsten | WiFiTux: Note that the resize scales proportionately. So if you say '200x300' and you've got a 400x800 original, you'll get IIRC 150x300 (max size that works). |
| 01:55.28 | agiofws | caci have you use ext3rminator? |
| 01:55.35 | WiFiTux | caphuso, you shit head. 1x1 is making them one COLOR! jajajaja |
| 01:55.37 | agiofws | caphuso have you use ext3rminator? |
| 01:55.43 | WiFiTux | jsn, haha thanks |
| 01:55.45 | FieldySnuts | agiofws: data recovery services are for the rich and extremely desperate... searching for it in any serach engine will find you companies |
| 01:55.50 | caphuso | agiofws: for testing purposes only |
| 01:55.55 | caphuso | agiofws: no, we can't |
| 01:55.56 | chealer | abrotman: uh? you are korean? |
| 01:55.56 | chealer | /me looks for abrotman interpreter |
| 01:56.02 | karsten | WiFiTux: Um. Yeah, you realized that? |
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| 01:56.18 | abrotman | chealer: cows go oink!!!! |
| 01:56.24 | WiFiTux | karsten, is for a internet site. Just small so so 400x800 is ok? |
| 01:56.33 | agiofws | caphuso what do you mean we can't? |
| 01:56.36 | karsten | WiFiTux: Dude. Figure. It. Out. |
| 01:56.42 | agiofws | we can't use ext3minator? |
| 01:56.42 | caphuso | agiofws: we can't talk in /query or /msg |
| 01:56.45 | WiFiTux | OK, thanks |
| 01:56.57 | chealer | abrotman: wuah...I never figured out you came from the same planet. salutations, brother! |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you ever use a 400x800 image ... i'll kill you ! |
| 01:57.07 | agiofws | i treid to installit but i canto make to work |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | chealer: the king of andorra tells me you like cheese in your wheaties |
| 01:57.23 | agiofws | caphuso i treid to installit but i canto make to work |
| 01:57.25 | utku | Do I need to install someting for ms charsets to use them? I am using sarge |
| 01:57.28 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: are you on Wireless lan ? |
| 01:57.29 | WiFiTux | abrotman, g I'm not a fucking photgrapher. |
| 01:57.32 | caphuso | agiofws: man ext3rminator |
| 01:57.33 | FieldySnuts | last time I blew out tons of files accidentally was (DON'T do this) rm -rf ~/.* |
| 01:57.44 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, no, I'm wired but I like playing that I'm a bird |
| 01:57.45 | FieldySnuts | i thought "gee i'll get rid of all my dotfiles" which i failed to realize included .. |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that matches . :) |
| 01:57.56 | caphuso | it doesn't in zsh |
| 01:57.59 | FieldySnuts | which recurses into .. and then into ../.. |
| 01:58.02 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: that's good |
| 01:58.18 | jsn | FieldySnuts, I did that one, too. |
| 01:58.19 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: oh okay .. thanks anyways |
| 01:58.25 | FieldySnuts | was as my normal users so whocares, restore from backups of the previous night |
| 01:58.27 | chealer | abrotman: wheaties, is that cereals? you must be careful feeding me english humor |
| 01:58.37 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, what is it> |
| 01:58.44 | FieldySnuts | s/users/user/ |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | chealer: sorry .. i'll stop goofing on you :) |
| 01:59.12 | agiofws | caphuso are you sure there is a man page? |
| 01:59.26 | agiofws | caphuso i untared it |
| 01:59.31 | chealer | abrotman: goof?...I suppose you should :-P |
| 01:59.31 | agiofws | ran the config file |
| 01:59.32 | caphuso | # man -k ext3rminator |
| 01:59.32 | caphuso | ext3rminator (1) - recover deleted files from an ext3 filesystem |
| 01:59.36 | agiofws | but thats it |
| 01:59.42 | jsn | I saw this awesome presentation tonight, on foreign affairs. It was on C-SPAN, which has constant live streaming (realplay or stupid media format). Any chance I can save the show when it re-airs at 3:43 this morning? |
| 01:59.46 | agiofws | there was no make file executable |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | chealer: sorry .. i'm being a bad boy |
| 02:00.00 | caphuso | jsn: mplayer can do it |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | jsn: vcr! |
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| 02:00.28 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: i am just trying to get as much as possible information about wireless lan cards and drivers to make a script to detect those stuff and make them work as helping my friend in his new GNU/Linux Distro version |
| 02:00.32 | FieldySnuts | speaking of mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
| 02:00.36 | FieldySnuts | mplayer fans definately want to read that. |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: didn't i show you that last week? |
| 02:00.57 | JaneLame | exit |
| 02:01.05 | chealer | abrotman: BTW, in the "note at the bottom about daily" in the article you linked me, they aren't specifically talking about RC2. if there are versions of RC2 other than architecture-based, I would understand that they're the weekly snapshots |
| 02:01.10 | JaneLame | ps ax | grep vnc |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | chealer: daily builds of the installer |
| 02:01.35 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, there is a lot already about it. |
| 02:01.58 | Cyanophytes | what is the command line editor that is like tiny something? |
| 02:02.08 | chealer | abrotman: yeah...that's not daily versions of RC2, is it? |
| 02:02.11 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: mainly for the ndiswrapper support ( Broadcom devices .. which is almost in every laptop now ) |
| 02:02.12 | jsn | Cyanophytes, nano-tiny |
| 02:02.27 | JaneLame | vncserver |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | chealer: basically RC3-pre |
| 02:02.31 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, broadcom suckkks! what do you want to know? |
| 02:02.38 | FieldySnuts | yeah it does |
| 02:02.45 | agiofws | IS EVERY ONE SURE I CANNOT RECOVER THE DATA I LOST ON EXT3 FILESYSTEM WITH RM /??? |
| 02:02.51 | FieldySnuts | no. we were lying. |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | hmm... undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
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| 02:03.06 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: i have hadenough about broadcom , but i wanna know about other devices .. |
| 02:03.16 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: mine is broadcom :-| |
| 02:03.19 | chealer | abrotman: ok. I wanted to make sure I wasn't confused. so the RC2 versions you were talking about are really the weekly sarge snapshots |
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| 02:03.28 | abrotman | chealer: daily!! |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | chealer: let me get link |
| 02:03.34 | jsn | really, I had no idea mc was that good. |
| 02:03.36 | Blaster | Hi everybody |
| 02:03.42 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, there are thousands. ipw, Prism, Cisco, Atmel, GPS, GPRS, CellPhones, 80211 bla bla |
| 02:04.00 | agiofws | dpkg the comand was rm -fR foo.bar.dir / are you sure? |
| 02:04.01 | dpkg | agiofws: okay |
| 02:04.03 | chealer | abrotman: if you think I'm too confused, you can also recommend me some medicine :) I'll reread the article meanwhile |
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| 02:04.13 | abrotman | chealer: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050321/ |
| 02:04.15 | FieldySnuts | can't stand atmel. |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | chealer: daily!! |
| 02:04.22 | jsn | agiofws, dpkg is a bot |
| 02:04.27 | Blaster | Could someone tell me how I can update my KDE to the newest version? |
| 02:04.28 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: which ones that dont really need so much of work ! works with free software drivers ?! |
| 02:04.28 | travisat | dpkg: forget the command |
| 02:04.28 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'the command' to forget, travisat |
| 02:04.36 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: forget the command |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | i can't even figure out what he told dpkg to make him say ok |
| 02:04.43 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | see |
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| 02:04.52 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, all of them. |
| 02:05.03 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: the command was? |
| 02:05.09 | FieldySnuts | poor thing |
| 02:05.09 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: except broadcom :'( |
| 02:05.15 | agiofws | is he a bot or not? |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:05.21 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:05.29 | j-linux | hi... this is my first time on IRC -- I'm not sure if I am in the right place. |
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| 02:05.43 | agiofws | tell me people i need to know? |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i have no idea what he told him |
| 02:05.52 | agiofws | will mc do the trick? |
| 02:05.53 | FieldySnuts | j-linux: if you're using pure debian (which ubuntu / mepis / etc are not), then yes |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | agiofws: you can try that .. but it might not work |
| 02:05.59 | WiFiTux | DJ-KING, return your laptop |
| 02:06.00 | j-linux | can anyone answer a quick Linux question? |
| 02:06.06 | jsn | agiofws, If dpkg says midnight commander does undelete if you unmount the fs, then I'd believe it. |
| 02:06.13 | stew | !listkeys command fr foo |
| 02:06.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'command fr foo' by key returned no results. |
| 02:06.24 | WiFiTux | karsten, well, a simple 300x200 did it. I guess I can say thanks. |
| 02:06.27 | chealer | abrotman: ok...but this isn't RC2. right??? maybe we're not talking about the same thing |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | !factauth agiofws |
| 02:06.32 | stew | listkeys fr foo |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:06.37 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 02:06.39 | stew | !listkeys fr foo |
| 02:06.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fr foo' by key (1): comand was rm -fr foo.bar.dir /. |
| 02:06.41 | travisat | I read an article about recovering data, but I don't remember how |
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| 02:06.46 | agiofws | jsn we are talking about the whole /dev/hda2 though |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | chealer: the RC2 is broken for somethings .. but the daily's work fine |
| 02:06.52 | j-linux | I'm using Knoppix at the moment because I can't get anything else instaled. I'm have several distos including Ubuntu waiting to be burned but I am having trouble. |
| 02:06.54 | janosch | hi |
| 02:07.02 | stew | !forget comand was rm -fr foo.bar.dir / |
| 02:07.02 | dpkg | stew: i forgot comand was rm -fr foo.bar.dir / |
| 02:07.10 | jsn | !factauth jsn |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | j-linux: what is the question .. |
| 02:07.12 | FieldySnuts | j-linux: you would want #knoppix then, we just don't deal with it |
| 02:07.13 | janosch | do the debian 2.6.8 kernel-images use initrd? |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | !d-i j-linux |
| 02:07.16 | dpkg | j-linux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:07.17 | karsten | WiFiTux: NP. |
| 02:07.19 | DJ-KING | WiFiTux: i can't anymore .. my laptop's performance is awesome and i like it pretty much , except that wifi thing , and the time i bought it , i had no idea that i will even be using it ( the wifi thing ) |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | janosch: yes |
| 02:07.21 | Blaster | Could someone tell me how can I update my KDE to the newest version? PLEASE! |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | no |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | KDE is for girls |
| 02:07.30 | janosch | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | err ... |
| 02:07.33 | agiofws | dpkg how do i mount the the partion to ro ??? |
| 02:07.33 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | KDE is for PHBs |
| 02:07.35 | Blaster | funny |
| 02:07.38 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: better? |
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| 02:07.49 | j-linux | My problem is that I download the .iso files and uncompress them with WinRAR. But it doesn't extract them as .iso files -- it uninstalls the entire thing as many files. |
| 02:07.49 | FieldySnuts | i guess, i was laughing anyway |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | Blaster: /topic |
| 02:07.54 | FieldySnuts | sleep bye! |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | night FieldySnuts |
| 02:07.59 | agiofws | or do i mount it to rw? |
| 02:08.11 | karsten | thomas_adam: You on l-e? |
| 02:08.15 | Flimzy | Has anyone here had any success using ALSA in kernel 2.6 with a CS4237B chipset? I can't get modprobe to work with any options I've tried yet. |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | j-linux: you don't uncompress them .. you burn the ISO |
| 02:08.23 | agiofws | dpkg do i mount it before using mc? |
| 02:08.26 | thomas_adam | karsten: l-e? |
| 02:08.29 | chealer | abrotman: I'm just not sure in what way you mean that RC2 has versions. is a pre-RC3 an RC2 version for you? |
| 02:08.33 | Blaster | what do u mean by /topic? |
| 02:08.38 | yxa | whats a good remote access server package for testing |
| 02:08.45 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 02:08.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:08.46 | thomas_adam | yxa: ssh |
| 02:08.55 | karsten | thomas_adam: Elitists. |
| 02:08.57 | yxa | for modems i might add |
| 02:08.59 | chealer | Blaster: write that in your IRC client |
| 02:09.00 | travisat | !topic |
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| 02:09.04 | thomas_adam | karsten: Ah, the ML? No. |
| 02:09.06 | j-linux | you're right... I have done this so many times already but I couldn't remember where I was going wrong. Soooo obvious. Thanks!!!! |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | chealer: no . it's Pre-RC3 :) |
| 02:09.09 | karsten | thomas_adam: OK |
| 02:09.12 | Blaster | !topic |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | Blaster: type /topic in your irc window |
| 02:09.23 | agiofws | dpkg they told me not to mount is as rw because it will ruin the files |
| 02:09.23 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, agiofws |
| 02:09.25 | travisat | !hit yourself |
| 02:09.35 | DJ-KING | j-linux: i see no reason for you to extract the iso images .. |
| 02:09.37 | thomas_adam | karsten: Although our paths do cross from time to time. I know Moen is/used-to be on there. Nick Moffit, too? |
| 02:09.43 | DJ-KING | j-linux: they are just ready to be burn ! |
| 02:09.45 | agiofws | dpkg can you elaborate please? |
| 02:09.49 | stew | !irritate agiofws |
| 02:09.50 | dpkg | agiofws: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd ???/ |
| 02:09.51 | chealer | abrotman: *shrug* I'd better forget about what you said, right? |
| 02:09.52 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:09.52 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 02:10.05 | Blaster | I am lost like a baby |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | chealer: no .. i don't think so ... would it be better if we spoke in french? |
| 02:10.10 | karsten | thomas_adam: Aye to both. |
| 02:10.14 | j-linux | Yeah... I have done it before but I couldn't remember. Thank you for your help. Bye |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | Blaster: /topic .. |
| 02:10.19 | karsten | thomas_adam: ...for better or worse, in roughly that order. |
| 02:10.22 | stew | Blaster: type this into your irc client "/topic" without the quotes |
| 02:10.25 | agiofws | man help...... |
| 02:10.25 | Blaster | I did and nothing! |
| 02:10.26 | thomas_adam | karsten: Heh, |
| 02:10.28 | yxa | gotta rephrase, is there a package that let users dialup directly to a debian box? |
| 02:10.43 | thomas_adam | yxa: wvdial? |
| 02:10.45 | chealer | abrotman: hehe, maybe, if you can. where are you from? the french translation of the article you linked was less exact. |
| 02:10.45 | agiofws | do i mount the destroyed partition jnormally? |
| 02:10.48 | abrotman | yxa: to a debian box? .. or using a debian box as a router? |
| 02:10.57 | agiofws | do i mount the destroyed partition normally? anyone tell me |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | chealer: no habla espanol!!! |
| 02:11.08 | mwilson | ugh |
| 02:11.16 | yxa | abrotman the debian box is not a router. just a mailserver |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | chealer: sorry .. my french is very rusty |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | yxa: does the server have a modem? |
| 02:11.41 | yxa | abrotman i'm gonna put one on it :) |
| 02:11.43 | aardvark | @blaireau abrotman |
| 02:11.44 | ravenbird | abrotman: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:11.50 | abrotman | !alicekill aakkonen |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | whoops |
| 02:11.53 | bocai2015 | bye all |
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| 02:12.02 | aardvark | !lose abrotman |
| 02:12.03 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 02:12.06 | abrotman | aardvark: that was so for you :) |
| 02:12.10 | chealer | abrotman: ok...then, I suppose sarge will be released soon enough anyway ;) so no point about discussing RCs |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | bogomips : 31.55 |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | chealer: ok .. sounds good |
| 02:13.03 | yxa | abrotman basically a remote access server |
| 02:13.07 | agiofws | ok IS DPKG a bot? |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | yxa: i know what you mean .. and yes |
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| 02:13.13 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | dpkg: who owns you |
| 02:13.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | dpkg: are you stuipd |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | dpkg: are you stupid |
| 02:13.23 | dpkg | yeah |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | dpkg: are you a bot |
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| 02:13.34 | travisat | dpkg: what is the meaning of life |
| 02:13.35 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, travisat |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | dpkg: meaning of life |
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| 02:13.44 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, abrotman, or 42 |
| 02:13.45 | agiofws | ok he s bot dpkg |
| 02:13.46 | abrotman | see |
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| 02:13.51 | abrotman | travisat: he knows :) |
| 02:13.53 | travisat | dpkg: the meaning of life is 42 |
| 02:13.53 | dpkg | ...but meaning of life is already something else... |
| 02:13.54 | yxa | abrotman so is there one? |
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| 02:14.02 | abrotman | yxa: there is a way .. i've done it |
| 02:14.03 | chealer | dpkg, when will sarge be released? |
| 02:14.03 | agiofws | dpkg what is linux |
| 02:14.04 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, sarge should be out by Passover. |
| 02:14.05 | dpkg | agiofws: what are you talking about? |
| 02:14.11 | agiofws | dpkg what is linux |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | yxa: errr ... not done it |
| 02:14.31 | aardvark | !fist agiofws |
| 02:14.43 | aardvark | !win me |
| 02:14.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, aardvark! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | somehow i bet he's less than happy :) |
| 02:14.59 | travisat | !rape aardvark |
| 02:15.07 | bob2 | travisat: no |
| 02:15.13 | aardvark | hmm |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | so .. what do i do with a machine with "bogomips : 31.55" |
| 02:15.29 | bob2 | abrotman: hold your door open |
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| 02:15.32 | Yrrebnarg | abrotman: I'd recommend using it for a table |
| 02:15.33 | stew | abrotman: if you have any doors that need to be held open, that might work |
| 02:15.39 | travisat | bob2: ....he did win second place in a beauty contest |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | bob2: but it boots 2.6 .. and runs postfix/bind/ssh .. and i still have free ram! :) |
| 02:15.54 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:15.57 | abrotman | oh .. i should try X :) |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | kde would be fun |
| 02:16.11 | stew | abrotman: you could do nothing 31 million times per second |
| 02:16.19 | Yrrebnarg | I dragged a similar computer behind a car once... |
| 02:16.23 | Yrrebnarg | it was pretty cool |
| 02:16.26 | abrotman | maybe i should make sure the diald works first |
| 02:16.28 | Yrrebnarg | sparks flew everywhere |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | it's a ppp router |
| 02:16.41 | thyhorror | any of you get this with k3b ? you see buffer info with cd burning but not with dvd burning ? |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 02:17.00 | travisat | abrotman: my 30 dollar router has more megahurtz |
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| 02:17.18 | abrotman | travisat: but is it 11 years old and still running flawlessly? |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | yeah .. then piss off |
| 02:17.25 | Yrrebnarg | and probably it uses a tenth of the power |
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| 02:17.45 | chealer | abrotman: is it a mips? |
| 02:17.46 | travisat | abrotman: no, and it doesn't run flawlessly, but it runs linux |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | chealer: 486 :) |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | travisat: as does this |
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| 02:18.13 | abrotman | !start an old hardware war |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | You kids have it EASY! When I was your age I had to write compilers on a Timex Sinclair 1000! |
| 02:18.46 | travisat | abrotman: old, mine is only a year old, its like a baby vs your drooling dead dog |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | travisat: but mine works ... and it's fun :) |
| 02:19.21 | travisat | abrotman: yours has fleas |
| 02:19.23 | abrotman | this was actually my primary desktop until like 2000 |
| 02:19.27 | abrotman | travisat: so do you |
| 02:19.32 | jsn | I have to take apart my whole tibook to fix one wire. It's sketchy. |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | that's apple for you :) |
| 02:19.42 | travisat | I'll have you know I get deloused weekly |
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| 02:19.53 | abrotman | travisat: you need to find another place |
| 02:20.01 | juvi | anyone know how to fix the debconf: DbDriver "config": error |
| 02:20.14 | mwilson | jsn: What'd you break? |
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| 02:20.39 | jsn | mwilson, lid was open when it fell off the table. Screen wrenched, wire to feed it snapped. Not sure it will recover at all. But now I have a spare wire. |
| 02:20.52 | jsn | And it will _never_ be pretty again. |
| 02:20.59 | jsn | Taking the screen apart fixed that. |
| 02:21.01 | kbrooks | never? |
| 02:21.08 | kbrooks | 'pretty'? |
| 02:21.15 | kbrooks | define pretty |
| 02:21.17 | jsn | It was pretty sleek. |
| 02:21.26 | kbrooks | sleek? |
| 02:21.27 | jsn | the titanium 15" powerbook? |
| 02:21.32 | mwilson | Does it close still? TiBook hinges are awful fragile. |
| 02:21.47 | jsn | It closed after one of the hinges broke (um, a previous incident). |
| 02:21.58 | jsn | I didn't find the hinges fragile. |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | jsn: apparently you should wrap your laptops in pillows before using |
| 02:22.15 | juvi | anyone know? |
| 02:22.16 | jsn | The lid is already removed. It closed fine before I removed it. |
| 02:22.19 | mwilson | TiBook is known for hinges breaking. |
| 02:22.30 | jsn | But to get to that wire involves taking out (almost?) every internal component. |
| 02:22.36 | kbrooks | what 'lid'? |
| 02:22.41 | jsn | the screen |
| 02:22.44 | mwilson | A friend of mine at work had both of his go... he replaced them with brass cabinetry hinges. |
| 02:22.50 | jsn | lol |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | jsn: just be glad it's not a toshiba |
| 02:23.02 | mwilson | You think I'm kidding. |
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| 02:23.11 | jsn | I chuckled, I should have typed "he" |
| 02:23.12 | jsn | hhe |
| 02:23.13 | jsn | heh |
| 02:23.14 | jsn | even |
| 02:23.25 | karsten | thomas_adam: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-March/011105.html |
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| 02:24.16 | jsn | The outer third of one of the hinges got disconnected on vacation. I had to twist it out of the way (easy) and it worked fine after that. |
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| 02:25.00 | jsn | I wonder, is there anything else I really should replace while I'm in there? No big deal, just wondering if anyone knew of something. |
| 02:25.07 | mwilson | Bigger HD? |
| 02:25.11 | mwilson | More RAM? |
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| 02:25.23 | aardvark | badgers? |
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| 02:25.31 | jsn | Eh, I'm fine in those departments. Fine enough. |
| 02:25.44 | livingtm | i cant seem to get my usb mouse to work (still). lsusb tells me "USB 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000" with or without the mouse plugged in |
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| 02:26.05 | travisat | livingtm: you have hotplug installed |
| 02:26.09 | livingtm | yep |
| 02:26.11 | jsn | After 2.25 years or so, no partition was over 60% full (4gig each, I think) |
| 02:26.22 | juvi | "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked" anyone get that error? |
| 02:26.29 | juvi | or know how to fix it? |
| 02:26.35 | mwilson | I'm thinking of upgrading my AlBook to 2 gb. |
| 02:26.46 | jsn | 1 now? |
| 02:26.47 | travisat | livingtm: lsmod shows usbcore loaded |
| 02:27.00 | karsten | wmaker -- on restarting the windowmanager, cursors don't map right. I've got the sort of new-world (not sure of terminology) cursors. And get an i-beam where I should get an arrow. How to reset? |
| 02:27.13 | StevenYang | hello |
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| 02:27.16 | goodshit | Hi, I got a dedicated box. is there a way to test how fast is my speed of my box? I mean is there a site i can download fast file and update stuff to? to see what is my up speed and down speed. anyone know of a place to test this? let me know thanks |
| 02:27.19 | jsn | I'm at 1gb, I've used machines with 64MB with woody. I got used to using blackbox and the like |
| 02:27.32 | livingtm | travisat: nope, no usb core.. but i have usbhid and ehci_hcd |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | goodshit: wrong channel |
| 02:27.45 | mwilson | Oh, I don't run Linux on mine. |
| 02:27.55 | jsn | mwilson? heh |
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| 02:28.11 | mwilson | iBook and AlBook run OS X, Thinkpad runs oBSD. |
| 02:28.27 | jsn | I boot into MacOS only to play Alpha Centauri with my girlfriend. In PC mode. |
| 02:28.48 | juvi | scr-bx |
| 02:28.48 | travisat | livingtm: what happens when you load it |
| 02:28.54 | StevenYang | hello |
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| 02:29.10 | StevenYang | ask sth about dhcpd ok? |
| 02:29.15 | jsn | I can't handle /etc in OS X. Freaks me out :/ |
| 02:29.18 | mwilson | I've run Linux on PPC. I no longer run Linux on PPC. |
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| 02:29.53 | livingtm | tarvisat: modprobe usbcore? |
| 02:30.01 | travisat | livingtm: yes |
| 02:30.34 | livingtm | travisat: "FATAL: Module usbcore not found" |
| 02:30.49 | travisat | livingtm: what kernel do you use |
| 02:30.55 | goodshit | Anyone know of a fast site i can download some stuff off. to test my speed connection?? I need fast site..!!! with 100BUSTABLE. speed. thanks anyone know of a site with a file i can download.. thanks |
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| 02:31.31 | StevenYang | How can i deny some MAC address can't use my dhcpd service? thanks |
| 02:31.32 | jsn | goodshit, you won't find what you are looking for here, I imagine. |
| 02:31.32 | livingtm | travisat: its 2.6.10.... gentoo actually... |
| 02:31.52 | livingtm | travisat: but the kernel is the kernel, right? |
| 02:31.58 | StevenYang | help |
| 02:32.00 | mwilson | karsten: Be sad for me... I ended up installing Gnome on oBSD. :( |
| 02:32.19 | karsten | mwilson: But did GNOME pass the oBSD security audit? ;-) |
| 02:32.20 | indes | pant kick |
| 02:32.27 | travisat | well something is compiled wrong then, you need usbcore....and why are you using a gentoo 2.6.10 with debian |
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| 02:32.43 | mwilson | karsten: It's not core packages, so probably not. |
| 02:33.09 | mwilson | karsten: But it was the easiest way to get all the silly little libraries installed, even if all I was going to do was run openbox. :) |
| 02:33.13 | livingtm | travisat: :-/ im not.. im using gentoo... but this should be a kernel issue right? |
| 02:33.31 | karsten | !cry for mwilson |
| 02:33.32 | dpkg | dpkg cries for mwilson |
| 02:33.46 | travisat | livingtm: dunno, go to #gentoo |
| 02:34.01 | mwilson | oBSD runs on my stinkpad better than unstable did. |
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| 02:34.11 | livingtm | travisat: hehe.. okay.. i figured the kernel was common] |
| 02:34.14 | karsten | mwilson: What did you need installed? |
| 02:34.24 | karsten | mwilson: ...and that's impressive. |
| 02:34.24 | livingtm | travisat and you guys are sooooo helpful |
| 02:34.42 | travisat | livingtm: its a usb subsystem problem not a kernel one, and you aren't using a standard debian kernel, but one you compiled yourself |
| 02:34.45 | chealer | livingtm: you're using a gentoo kernel under debian? |
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| 02:35.28 | mwilson | karsten: Yep. No wireless silliness. |
| 02:35.29 | livingtm | travisat: okay, thanks for your help |
| 02:35.37 | travisat | livingtm: I am actually using a nitro kernel, which is basically a gentoo kernel, for its reiser4, software suspend 2, and ck support |
| 02:35.41 | cafuego | ah yes |
| 02:36.05 | mwilson | travisat: Why would you be wasting your time with Reiser4? |
| 02:36.21 | cafuego | mwilson: Filesystemr estoration is a rewarding hobby. |
| 02:36.24 | livingtm | travisat: big different between reiser 3 and 4? |
| 02:36.28 | mwilson | travisat: Working on losing your data in new and strange ways? |
| 02:36.32 | travisat | mwilson: I formatted my home directory to it to test it |
| 02:36.37 | newcpnb | I want one help please ! I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1. I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ??? |
| 02:36.54 | karsten | cafuego: They're the ones with the feeding tubes still inserted. |
| 02:36.56 | travisat | mwilson: and so far it works good enough that I haven't expended the effort to change it |
| 02:37.32 | newcpnb | ????? |
| 02:37.43 | travisat | livingtm: yes its not supported very well |
| 02:37.45 | chealer | !ep |
| 02:37.45 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:38.00 | indes | WHATS?!?! ASHDA!?>!>? |
| 02:38.21 | travisat | indes: see below |
| 02:38.24 | travisat | indes: see above |
| 02:38.26 | indes | lol |
| 02:38.35 | indes | foot in mouth syndrome? |
| 02:39.03 | indes | ;-) |
| 02:39.59 | abrotman | newcpnb: netfilter.org |
| 02:41.08 | newcpnb | abrotman i have iptables installed |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | newcpnb: so go to netfilter.org ... and LEARN how to use it |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | newcpnb: and i'm not even fully sure it can do it |
| 02:42.34 | jsn | Well, this is a pretty weak machine, Compiling mplayer + xchat is a lot to ask it to do. |
| 02:42.35 | jsn | Ciao for now |
| 02:43.43 | stew | hows the profit portion working out? |
| 02:43.53 | travisat | stew: not that well..... |
| 02:43.57 | caphuso | M-: (load-library "ansi-color") RET |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | !tell jsn about marillat |
| 02:44.14 | travisat | abrotman: he's gone |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 02:46.28 | chealer | wah, someone uses ircII! is that considered geeker than bitchx? |
| 02:46.47 | mwilson | chealer: Lots of people use ircii. |
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| 02:47.02 | newcpnb | I want one help please ! I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1. I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ??? |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | geekier? .. bitchx is geeky? |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | newcpnb: i told you |
| 02:47.18 | mwilson | No, BX is moronic. |
| 02:47.20 | karsten | newcpnb: iptables. |
| 02:47.26 | travisat | !irssi |
| 02:47.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever |
| 02:47.28 | mwilson | Gotta get them straight. |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | newcpnb: stop pestering .. i told you to go to netfilter.org |
| 02:47.33 | indes | mwilson, mozilla irc client is moronic |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | newcpnb: if you're too lazy to read .. why should we help? |
| 02:47.55 | karsten | newcpnb: Do you have an existing firewall / iptables setup? |
| 02:48.04 | karsten | abrotman: We get the idea. |
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| 02:48.13 | indes | newcpnb, come over to my home, cook, do my laundry and clean -- I'll set up your system |
| 02:48.14 | abrotman | karsten: what idea? |
| 02:48.19 | jjazz | I'm looking to back up a bunch of files to DVD and want to preserve permissions, ownership and such. If I just burn these files directly to the DVD, will that preserve that metadata, or do I need to tar it all up first or something? |
| 02:48.26 | karsten | abrotman: Stop abusing the n00bs. |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | karsten: i told him five minutes ago to go look there .. |
| 02:48.49 | karsten | I'd like to do a find <args> | xargs gzip ... but only if find actually finds something. |
| 02:48.50 | indes | karsten, he has it comming I think |
| 02:48.51 | abrotman | but newcpnb might want to ask #iptables .. they might know more |
| 02:48.56 | karsten | abrotman: I saw tath. |
| 02:49.03 | indes | karsten, pass -exec to find |
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| 02:49.05 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 02:49.11 | karsten | abrotman: iptables is nontrivial. |
| 02:49.22 | indes | karsen: find . -exec echo '{}' <- is like ls |
| 02:49.26 | travisat | when did ravenbird start doing that |
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| 02:49.42 | abrotman | travisat: apt was not donig it the other day |
| 02:49.48 | travisat | ahhhh |
| 02:49.55 | karsten | indes: Currently using xargs. Is there a way to limit that to only if nonzero number of args exist? |
| 02:50.04 | karsten | abrotman: Yeth, yeth, enough already. |
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| 02:50.19 | abrotman | karsten: sorry .. it was so easy :) |
| 02:50.29 | karsten | indes: exec is inefficient with large numbers of args. |
| 02:50.38 | karsten | indes: ...though it's more efficient with zero args ;-) |
| 02:50.49 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. Ask asg about that ;-) |
| 02:50.49 | indes | karsten, I suppose... |
| 02:50.56 | indes | karsten, depends on the application |
| 02:51.00 | karsten | asg: BTW, I'm *still* busting out laughing at random times ;-) |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | karsten: --interactive ? |
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| 02:51.08 | abrotman | karsten: about what? |
| 02:51.11 | indes | karsten, what is it exactly you're trying to do? |
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| 02:51.22 | abrotman | karsten: better yet |
| 02:51.23 | karsten | indes: Well, I'm searching a tree with 10k+ files. |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | is that right? |
| 02:51.35 | karsten | indes: cronjob to compress any uncompressed lg articles. |
| 02:51.37 | travisat | wtf was that |
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| 02:51.40 | indes | karsten, go get some food and a coffee ;-) |
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| 02:51.54 | karsten | find . -type f ! \( -name \*.gz -o -name .\*.gz -o -name \*.tgz \) -print0 | xargs -0 gzip -v |
| 02:51.55 | omirix | Live Well WORSHIP SATAN. |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | omirix: is that all? |
| 02:52.17 | karsten | abrotman: interactive won't work. |
| 02:52.25 | omirix | abrotman: nah |
| 02:52.29 | omirix | it was an accident. |
| 02:52.32 | o-o | omirix: ?? Know him? |
| 02:52.40 | travisat | omirix: are you a satanistic spammer |
| 02:52.41 | karsten | omirix: We're a bit jumpy about trolls and bots. Shape up. |
| 02:52.42 | indes | karsten, interesting... |
| 02:52.46 | omirix | sure thing |
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| 02:52.51 | karsten | indes: Not really. Should be trivial. |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | or promise me hot girls in exchange for my soul |
| 02:53.09 | omirix | ok |
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| 02:53.14 | omirix | join #satan |
| 02:53.24 | indes | karsten, most things usually are |
| 02:53.34 | karsten | indes: Particularly when you work out the solution. |
| 02:53.42 | indes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.43 | o-o | omirix: if you do and he is such a bad guy then it logically follows that there is also an opposite entity... right?? |
| 02:53.49 | indes | karsten, try -X ? ;-) |
| 02:53.57 | omirix | sure |
| 02:54.04 | juvi | "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked" anyone know how to fix that error? |
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| 02:54.10 | o-o | omirix: why are you with the bad guy then? |
| 02:54.22 | indes | karsten, its outlined in the man page, |
| 02:54.25 | karsten | indes: Um. As an argument to what? |
| 02:54.27 | indes | karsten, one of the first things I saw, |
| 02:54.30 | karsten | indes: find or xargs? |
| 02:54.33 | indes | karsten, find |
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| 02:54.55 | karsten | indes: What version? I don't find it. |
| 02:54.58 | indes | karsten, theres -E -H -L -P then -X |
| 02:55.01 | kiowas | Im new to debian. Im wondering, is there any reason not to use apt-get dist-upgrade rather than apt-get upgrade? the description on the man page says its smarter than a regular update, so why not use it all the time and never do a regular upgrade? |
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| 02:55.11 | indes | karsten, unstable |
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| 02:55.18 | indes | karsten, would you like me to paste to flood the portion? |
| 02:55.26 | karsten | kiowas: man apt-get. They're different. And consider aptitude. |
| 02:55.29 | abrotman | kiowas: it installs new packages sometimes |
| 02:55.31 | travisat | kiowas: just use aptitude |
| 02:55.31 | karsten | !tell kiowas about aptitude |
| 02:55.41 | karsten | travisat: Still doesn't fully address the issue. |
| 02:55.57 | travisat | karsten: no, just avoids it |
| 02:55.59 | indes | karsten, ? I'm running unstable |
| 02:56.14 | karsten | indes: I'm not seeing it. Sec. |
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| 02:56.46 | radslack | is unstable really unstable? I use sarge as my main desktop and it's given me no problems yet... |
| 02:56.48 | indes | karsten, I can paste that switches entry int he manual page into flood for your reading pleasure |
| 02:57.10 | karsten | indes: ii findutils 4.1.20-5 utilities for finding files--find, xargs, an |
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| 02:57.17 | karsten | indes: What version? |
| 02:57.26 | indes | hold on, dpkg ing |
| 02:57.39 | karsten | !tell radslack about releases |
| 02:57.44 | indes | 4.2.14-1 |
| 02:57.47 | Cyanophytes | when using ifup to start eth0 I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporary unavailable" anyone know what this means? |
| 02:57.55 | karsten | radslack: It's about package state, not application stability. Mostly. |
| 02:57.56 | indes | karsten, could be experimental |
| 02:57.58 | indes | karsten, I was playing |
| 02:58.03 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Load your ethernet driver. |
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| 02:58.21 | indes | karsten, I don't think I woulda pulled findutils outta experimental though |
| 02:58.23 | karsten | Cyanophytes: ..and or 'ifconfig; dmesg | tail -30' and look for any obvious issues. |
| 02:58.26 | radslack | karsten: oh ok thanks. I guess if you're just messing around then, it would be fine |
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| 02:58.44 | karsten | newcpnb: Don't /privmsg |
| 02:58.54 | indes | karsten, ii findutils 4.2.14-1 utilities for finding files--find, xargs, and locate |
| 02:59.47 | karsten | radslack: unstable/testing (or a mix) is generally useable. |
| 02:59.47 | karsten | indes: OK, that's a different minor version. |
| 02:59.47 | indes | karsten, mhm |
| 02:59.47 | karsten | indes: I suspect a new release. |
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| 02:59.47 | karsten | indes: check your changelog for -X syntax. |
| 02:59.48 | indes | I suspect I was playing in the experimental department |
| 02:59.48 | indes | ;-) |
| 03:00.03 | radslack | karsten: yeah, it took me awhile to figure out that it wsa true about sarge.... hehe i was using woody for the longest time, and hated that the packages were so old. |
| 03:00.05 | kiowas | why should I use aptitude rather than apt-get? |
| 03:00.12 | indes | karsten, yea, lol could be |
| 03:00.28 | Cyanophytes | karsten: how do I load ethernet driver? that command shows my ethernet card. |
| 03:00.30 | karsten | !tell kiowas about aptitutde |
| 03:00.35 | juvi | heh |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | again |
| 03:00.37 | karsten | kiowas: Read the factoid *and* the link please. |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | karsten: stop abusing the newbies :) |
| 03:01.04 | karsten | Cyanophytes: OK, that was plan A. Anything in dmesg output? |
| 03:01.04 | radslack | !tell radslack about aptitude also |
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| 03:01.48 | travisat | radslack: just /msg dpkg |
| 03:01.48 | kiowas | the link points to a site which points to www.debian.com not to anything about aptitude |
| 03:01.48 | karsten | kiowas: Read the fucking link. |
| 03:01.48 | indes | karsten, odd, I don't see anything in the change log |
| 03:01.49 | Cyanophytes | karsten: yes it shows my network adapter |
| 03:01.49 | indes | karsten, or the changelog.Debian |
| 03:01.49 | radslack | travisat: i know I'm just jokin around. thanks tho |
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| 03:01.49 | indes | karsten, I'm at a loss |
| 03:02.07 | karsten | indes: File a changelog bug ;-) |
| 03:02.23 | indes | lol, someone didn't update a manpage hm? |
| 03:02.27 | juvi | "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:02.36 | indes | karsten, hardly solving your problem |
| 03:02.42 | Cyanophytes | karsten: is there anything that I should look for that would cause a problem? |
| 03:02.58 | karsten | indes: No, but it's a changelog issue -- new features should be noted. |
| 03:03.23 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Um. Problems. Errors. |
| 03:03.23 | karsten | Cyanophytes: You're the one with the logs and kernel messages. Suggest you use 'em. |
| 03:03.30 | indes | mmhm I hate cups. READ THE FOOMATIC DAMNIT |
| 03:03.31 | indes | hehe |
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| 03:03.53 | karsten | travisat: What size cups? |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | travisat: wear them to bed? |
| 03:04.00 | Cyanophytes | karsten: no errors |
| 03:04.01 | indes | I have a cheap hp printer that needs hpijs to work and they never work |
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| 03:04.18 | Cyanophytes | karsten: just the one I stated at first |
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| 03:05.00 | karsten | Cyanophytes: Google the error message. |
| 03:05.15 | travisat | indes: download the ppd file for your printer from linuxprinting.org, use the foomatic-gui to install it |
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| 03:05.58 | indes | travisat, I upgraded apt to the experimental pool and damnit, I'm getting gnupg key auth errors now |
| 03:05.58 | indes | from the mirror |
| 03:06.02 | indes | and its DRIVING ME NUTSOId |
| 03:06.17 | indes | but I will do that |
| 03:06.44 | indes | anyone get this problem at all with experimental sources? not that they're crazy enough to try that.. |
| 03:07.02 | thyhorror | anyone know anything about cdrecord-prodvd not being in debian sid ? |
| 03:07.15 | travisat | indes: I wouldn't use the experiment sources unless somebody was paying me to. |
| 03:07.29 | indes | it made my printer work last time |
| 03:07.30 | indes | ;-) |
| 03:08.23 | travisat | indes: thats why you manually get the ppd file, the hpijs for sarge/sid doesn't have all the printers for hp |
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| 03:08.56 | indes | travisat, mhm, what do I enter for a usb device on the interfacE? |
| 03:08.57 | karsten | indes: Hrm. Not finding -X in 4.2.20 from ftp.gnu.org: http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/findutils/ |
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| 03:09.19 | indes | karsten, odd, I see it in the manual page right here |
| 03:09.27 | indes | karsten, join #flood for a sec |
| 03:09.31 | karsten | indes: I'm reading the info page source. |
| 03:09.40 | travisat | indes: foomatic/cups should detect your printer....I don't know about usb... |
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| 03:10.50 | indes | travisat, the foomatic-gui is owning me and only looking at parallel/serial |
| 03:11.11 | travisat | indes: hmmm, what about the cups web interface |
| 03:11.25 | indes | it sees it, |
| 03:11.29 | indes | and ptal:whatever |
| 03:11.46 | travisat | indes: what interface does it say it is |
| 03:11.51 | mwilson | Why would foomatic detect anything? |
| 03:12.02 | cafuego | grrr. I hate it when the callcenter tard thinks it knows more about computers than I do. |
| 03:12.03 | travisat | mwilson: foomatic-gui |
| 03:12.12 | newcpnb | I want one help please ! I have 2 eth devices, and i use as default the eth1. I want to route all outbound traffic for port 2525 thought eth0, how can this be done ??? |
| 03:12.13 | mwilson | travisat: Same question. |
| 03:12.16 | indes | hold on, |
| 03:12.33 | travisat | mwilson: it is used to configure printers, it searches for the printers to help you configure them |
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| 03:12.35 | indes | PTAL mlc:usb:psc or usb printer#1 |
| 03:12.37 | indes | LOL |
| 03:12.39 | mwilson | When did foomatic gain the ability to detect anything? |
| 03:12.52 | indes | mwilson, the splash screen says usb printers should be turned on for detection |
| 03:12.56 | travisat | mwilson: foomatic doesn't,foomatic-gui does |
| 03:12.57 | indes | ... |
| 03:13.09 | indes | its just not detecting it |
| 03:13.21 | travisat | indes: does dmesg detect it |
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| 03:13.58 | mwilson | Oh, no wonder I've never seen that. It depends on gksu. |
| 03:14.03 | corallis | could anyone tell me the name of the package that allows you to manage startup services, such as ssh and ftp, without hacking scripts? |
| 03:14.05 | indes | travisat, yea, usblp0 |
| 03:14.10 | TBBle | newcpnb: You might have better luck at lartc.org... |
| 03:14.15 | travisat | indes: well there you go |
| 03:14.19 | indes | lol |
| 03:14.25 | indes | mmhmm |
| 03:14.38 | mwilson | corallis: What "management" do you think they need? |
| 03:14.56 | corallis | mwilson: adding/removing them |
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| 03:15.57 | mwilson | corallis: uh, if you don't want the ssh package, remove it. If you don't want whatever ftp package you're using, remove it. What else is there to do? |
| 03:16.26 | corallis | mwilson: What if someone wanted the ssh package, but they didnt want it running every time at startup? |
| 03:16.35 | stew | corallis: man update-rc.d |
| 03:16.40 | mwilson | corallis: Why wouldn't they? |
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| 03:17.02 | corallis | mwilson: is that really important? |
| 03:17.02 | travisat | brb nicotine time |
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| 03:17.09 | corallis | stew: thanks, thats what I was looking for |
| 03:17.15 | indes | travisat, ok, so I got it seeing it in the list |
| 03:17.31 | narg | bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 03:17.31 | indes | travisat, but I add it all with the generated ppd and it doesn't show up in foomatic-gui's main list |
| 03:17.32 | narg | When I'm trying to compile something, I do ./configure, and I get that |
| 03:17.34 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 03:17.34 | dpkg | Since Mon Mar 21 02:43:25 2005, there have been 17 modifications, 511 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 180 commands. I have been awake for 1d 34m 9s this session, and currently reference 25287 factoids. I'm using about 15052 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 202.97/8.97 child 141.76/10.76 |
| 03:17.36 | narg | what does it mean? |
| 03:17.45 | indes | travisat, the device shows up in the device list though |
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| 03:18.07 | TBBle | narg: Your configure script is not executable (mode +x) maybe? |
| 03:18.19 | narg | hrm, but it is. |
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| 03:18.34 | jorgp | anyone know of a good chroot doc, like fixing environment vars, mount proc and various other things |
| 03:18.56 | narg | Tbble: Odd thing is, I get it with all config files. |
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| 03:21.46 | indes | travisat, I get "lpadmin: add-printer (enable) failed: client-error-not-authorized" I'm running as root |
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| 03:23.04 | Cyanophytes | how do I tell whether the kernel is loading my ethernet card or not |
| 03:23.35 | indes | dmesg |
| 03:23.39 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 03:23.50 | indes | abrotman, will he always have a device ? |
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| 03:23.54 | indes | in ifconfig? |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | indes: i think so yes .. unless the driver fails to load :) |
| 03:24.09 | indes | mm, good call |
| 03:24.31 | pyr3_sayz | How do I configure ALSA/ESD/OSS to work under a regular user? I have ALSA on kernel 2.6.11-2 with ESD support through ALSA, but I can only get XMMS working under root. |
| 03:24.31 | indes | abrotman, what causes: "lpadmin: add-printer (enable) failed: client-error-not-authorized" while running as root |
| 03:24.32 | indes | lol |
| 03:24.32 | abrotman | indes: you would mean even if he didn't configure the interface? |
| 03:24.44 | indes | abrotman, I'm thinking ifconfig destroy <blah> |
| 03:24.47 | indes | it may not be there anymore |
| 03:24.49 | abrotman | indes: if i owned a printer .. i might have a hint :) |
| 03:25.02 | indes | abrotman, ya never know ;-) root should have access though I feel. |
| 03:25.08 | pyr3_sayz | I've made /dev/dsp and /dev/audio 0666 |
| 03:25.14 | indes | pyr3_sayz, the HORROR! |
| 03:25.15 | pyr3_sayz | and /dev/mixer too. |
| 03:25.15 | abrotman | bad bad bad |
| 03:25.23 | abrotman | pyr3_sayz: dont' do that |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | !tell pyr3_sayz about audio |
| 03:25.45 | indes | heheh |
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| 03:26.04 | indes | well, I've had enough fighting with printers and what was I fighting with before |
| 03:26.05 | Cyanophytes | if my system somehow has the wrong driver how can I change it? |
| 03:26.09 | indes | musn't have been too important. |
| 03:26.15 | indes | Cyanophytes, the wrong driver? |
| 03:26.29 | indes | I don't think the wrong driver would load properly. |
| 03:26.43 | indes | abrotman, feel like commiting credit card fraud? |
| 03:26.49 | indes | or are you just made of money? |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | indes: <25 |
| 03:27.04 | Cyanophytes | indes: i was googling my error message and it said I that may mean it's the wrong driver |
| 03:27.10 | indes | abrotman, bastard |
| 03:27.12 | indes | :-p |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | indes: why? |
| 03:27.19 | pyr3_sayz | abrotman: How will adding myself to the audio group help, when making sound world read/writeable doesn't work? Or are there more files than just /dev/dsp /dev/audio and /dev/mixer that I need access to? |
| 03:27.28 | indes | abrotman, I miss the days of random spending |
| 03:27.32 | indes | abrotman, pure jealousy |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | pyr3_sayz: it would help don't you think? |
| 03:27.39 | abrotman | and it can't hurt |
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| 03:27.49 | indes | Cyanophytes, it could, I asked .. |
| 03:28.15 | abrotman | indes: so spend money .. what did you do get married? |
| 03:28.17 | Cyanophytes | how can I change it or find out the proper driver for my card? |
| 03:28.19 | indes | Cyanophytes, I don't think it WOULD per se, but you never know, if its a module, you could try to unload it.. |
| 03:28.30 | indes | abrotman, nah, schooling and no job |
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| 03:28.38 | Cyanophytes | don't look like it's a module |
| 03:28.46 | indes | abrotman, money will come, its flyin out of my pockets right now |
| 03:28.55 | indes | Cyanophytes, lsmod |
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| 03:29.13 | abrotman | indes: school does that |
| 03:29.39 | Cyanophytes | lsmod shows slip slhc af_packet |
| 03:29.44 | indes | I feel stupider for having gone.. lol |
| 03:29.56 | abrotman | more stupid |
| 03:30.04 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:30.05 | nvz | heh |
| 03:30.09 | indes | Cyanophytes, ohhh fun stuff, did dmesg say anythign about it |
| 03:30.13 | nvz | you guys are funny |
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| 03:30.15 | indes | abrotman, yes it was a pun of sorts |
| 03:30.24 | abrotman | my humor meter is broken |
| 03:30.26 | abrotman | ask nvz |
| 03:30.32 | abrotman | i have the worst humor |
| 03:30.36 | Cyanophytes | indes: yes |
| 03:30.38 | nvz | this is why I made the yinzersmite |
| 03:30.42 | calin | is there a way to do a wildcard with ls in bash? |
| 03:30.48 | indes | abrotman, well on a fun scale from 1 to 10 you're a negative irrational number. |
| 03:30.58 | stew | calin: * is a wildcard in bash |
| 03:31.00 | indes | calin, ls *.txt ? |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | indes: obviously not a real number |
| 03:31.08 | calin | doesn't work |
| 03:31.14 | calin | calin@zion:~/.gaim/logs/aim/azx3t$ ls -R 2005-3-30.*.txt |
| 03:31.14 | indes | Cyanophytes, yes but does it provide a module.c or whatever beside the card |
| 03:31.15 | calin | ls: 2005-3-30.*.txt: No such file or directory |
| 03:31.26 | Cyanophytes | yes tulip.c |
| 03:31.28 | indes | Cyanophytes, for example if_mydriver.c : ethoernet calrd blah |
| 03:31.35 | indes | Cyanophytes, is it indeed a tulip card? |
| 03:31.43 | abrotman | nvz: tell me .. how am i funny? .. do i fucking amuse you? |
| 03:31.45 | stew | calin: what shell are you using? |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | am i a clown? |
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| 03:31.52 | indes | Cyanophytes, if not, may I ask why the hell you have tulip support built into your kernel |
| 03:31.53 | calin | bash in gnome-terminal |
| 03:31.55 | stew | !pal abrotman |
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| 03:32.01 | indes | abrotman, the red nose and white makeup threw me off |
| 03:32.02 | indes | sorry man |
| 03:32.11 | jiyuu0 | is the new nvidia-glx broken? |
| 03:32.14 | indes | I thought you were jugglin to make a few bucks, I don't know |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | why doesn't anyone get it? |
| 03:32.33 | ep | is there a period after the last 30 in any of the files? |
| 03:32.33 | indes | abrotman, then whats the getup for? |
| 03:32.34 | abrotman | noone watches ray liotta movies? |
| 03:32.35 | stew | calin: * is a wildcard, you must be doing something wrong |
| 03:32.39 | Cyanophytes | indes: thats the way debian install configured it |
| 03:32.49 | calin | hmm |
| 03:32.54 | indes | Cyanophytes, I don't think the factory kernels come with tulip compiled in. |
| 03:32.58 | indes | Cyanophytes, thats odd. |
| 03:32.59 | calin | I think my dumb ass sees what i did wrong |
| 03:33.05 | calin | stew: I'm a fucking retard >.< |
| 03:33.11 | jiyuu0 | just broke my nvidia-glx this morning from the new update |
| 03:33.14 | indes | Cyanophytes, since I don't use factory install discs I can't say much on the matter, |
| 03:33.17 | jiyuu0 | anyone else got the same prob? |
| 03:33.21 | stew | calin: better than being a retard who isn't getting any |
| 03:33.21 | calin | stew: Looking for a date in my logs that hasn't happened..... |
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| 03:33.27 | indes | abrotman, would a factory install kernel compile in ethernet modules? |
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| 03:33.31 | calin | stew: I'm not getting any >.< |
| 03:33.32 | indes | abrotman, any at all? |
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| 03:33.42 | abrotman | indes: factory? |
| 03:33.45 | Cyanophytes | let me see what my card supports |
| 03:33.50 | abrotman | indes: i believe there is one of them compiled in |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | but it's easy to check |
| 03:33.55 | calin | "2005-3-30.*.txt" |
| 03:34.00 | indes | abrotman, tulip by any chance? |
| 03:34.01 | indes | LOL |
| 03:34.01 | calin | 2005-3-30 >.< |
| 03:34.13 | calin | stupid 3 being next to 2 |
| 03:34.15 | indes | calin, what the hell? 2005-3-30* |
| 03:34.16 | Sero | Is anyone in here familiar with penggy? |
| 03:34.20 | calin | who thought THAT up? |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | grep tulip config-`uname -r` |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | err. |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | grep -i |
| 03:34.51 | abrotman | and look .. no UUOC award for me!!! |
| 03:34.55 | pyr3 | abrotman: Well, it works now. May I inquire as to what I needed permissions to other than dsp audio and mixer? None of the stuff in /proc/asound/ is owned by the audio group. :-\ |
| 03:35.05 | indes | Cyanophytes, grep -i tulip config-`uname -r` <- do that |
| 03:35.18 | indes | Cyanophytes, what do you see? |
| 03:35.27 | abrotman | pyr3: erm .. dsp audio mixer .. i can't remember .. but it could also be a program |
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| 03:35.39 | abrotman | indes: you stole my hackerism crap! |
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| 03:36.03 | indes | abrotman, well, I .. yes |
| 03:36.05 | indes | yes I did |
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| 03:36.09 | indes | it was GNU |
| 03:36.11 | indes | so its all good |
| 03:36.19 | abrotman | you mean GPL |
| 03:36.25 | indes | yea, sure whatever, |
| 03:36.27 | WiFiTux | ja |
| 03:36.29 | pyr3 | abrotman: Ok. Well, thanks. Last time I had linux on a desktop system I was using DSP and all I had to do with chgrp /dev/dsp for my user. |
| 03:36.42 | indes | abrotman, I ment the commands were GNU commands, therefore could be pasted freely |
| 03:36.45 | abrotman | pyr3: yeah .. it's much easier to do the group thing :) |
| 03:36.45 | indes | but whatever |
| 03:36.52 | indes | you don't gpl the command name |
| 03:36.55 | indes | its GNU gre |
| 03:36.59 | indes | errr GNU grep |
| 03:37.12 | indes | man is my enter key sure gettin a workout tonight, |
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| 03:37.31 | abrotman | i need a place to get a nice guitar |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | bah .bah bah |
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| 03:37.47 | indes | abrotman, Ontario? Toronto? |
| 03:37.48 | indes | ;-) |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | indes: i'm in philly |
| 03:38.14 | indes | abrotman, I don't know many music stores in that area, sorry |
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| 03:38.29 | travisat | abrotman: yellowpages |
| 03:38.32 | abrotman | indes: mostly chains .. i found a nice 12string .. but it's gone now |
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| 03:38.52 | travisat | abrotman: ebay |
| 03:38.53 | indes | abrotman, I saw a nice american fender strat at long & mcquade the other day |
| 03:38.56 | stew | abrotman: i should ask my brother in law to be, he's a guitar player whos going to upenn |
| 03:38.57 | indes | it was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sexy |
| 03:38.57 | abrotman | travisat: no freaking way |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | stew: yay |
| 03:39.07 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 03:39.09 | indes | NEVER get a guitar off ebay |
| 03:39.11 | indes | ohhh man |
| 03:39.20 | abrotman | indes: it wasn't my idea .. i'm the smart one here |
| 03:39.25 | borkabrak | For the last couple of days, every time I try to do: "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/debian/ http://http.us.debian.org/debian" (or any mirror), I get: "E: Couldn't download libgnutls10". Can anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 03:39.27 | indes | the neck isn't 'bent' - its 'warped' |
| 03:39.29 | indes | lol |
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| 03:39.53 | cafuego | indes: I'm sure it said 'Banjo' not 'Guitar'. |
| 03:39.55 | abrotman | i'd go to a yardsale for that |
| 03:40.12 | travisat | that would involve me leaving the house |
| 03:40.14 | indes | cafuego, you wanna do some croonin with me? |
| 03:40.18 | abrotman | lazy bastard |
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| 03:40.26 | pipeline | Gah, how can I use esound across a network? |
| 03:40.28 | pipeline | esd is not being helpful |
| 03:40.37 | abrotman | pipeline: way to kill the mood |
| 03:41.00 | cafuego | abrotman: That's what /ignore is for. |
| 03:41.01 | indes | cafuego, oh come on ;-) |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | stew: oh .. i think i found a site |
| 03:41.14 | Cyanophytes | indes: with grep -i tulip config-`uname -r` I get grep: config-2-2-20-idepci: No such file or directory |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | cafuego: i meant he asked a real question :) |
| 03:41.28 | cafuego | abrotman: Ha, liar. |
| 03:41.30 | Cyanophytes | ops |
| 03:41.36 | TBBle | And we wonder why dueling banjoes points to Debian mailing lists... |
| 03:41.38 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:41.43 | Cyanophytes | indes: with grep -i tulip config-`uname -r` I get grep: config-2.2.20-idepci: No such file or directory |
| 03:41.57 | travisat | deliverance scares the crap out of me |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: /exec -o uname -r |
| 03:42.02 | TBBle | Try it against /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 03:42.42 | indes | lol |
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| 03:42.59 | indes | abrotman, way to go |
| 03:43.03 | indes | I trusted your leet hackerism |
| 03:43.04 | calin | meh, this is alot to find one line of text |
| 03:43.06 | calin | find | grep -i '2005-03-20' | sort | xargs cat | grep -i '.^.' |
| 03:43.12 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: that gives me /exec no such file or directory |
| 03:43.17 | pipeline | I am attempting to play video across the network, as I have a machine with 100 mbit ethernet and good video that's too slow to decode MPEG-4 |
| 03:43.30 | indes | calin, what are you doing with find there? |
| 03:43.32 | pipeline | neither mplayer nor vlc + vlc-plugin-esd heeds the "ESPEAKER" environment variable |
| 03:43.36 | pipeline | so how does one use esd's network streaming? |
| 03:43.38 | cafuego | calin: 'man rgrep' |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | indes: apparently not |
| 03:43.45 | travisat | 2.6.11-nitro2 |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: are you even running linux? |
| 03:43.49 | indes | LOL |
| 03:43.54 | Cyanophytes | yes |
| 03:43.56 | indes | that was a burn |
| 03:43.59 | travisat | mine works |
| 03:44.00 | cafuego | calin: and 'xargs cat' is superfluous |
| 03:44.09 | calin | cafuego: eh? |
| 03:44.09 | indes | cafuego, find | ? |
| 03:44.18 | indes | lol |
| 03:44.25 | cafuego | calin: What is that line supposed to do? |
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| 03:44.40 | indes | cafuego, prove someone has been doing crack for the last hour and a half? |
| 03:44.47 | Cyanophytes | 2.6.8 |
| 03:44.55 | cafuego | indes: People on crack at least get the syntax right ;-) |
| 03:45.04 | calin | finds a line in a file within a subdir that has the date 2005-3-20 in the name |
| 03:45.13 | indes | cafuego, what crackheads do you know? mensa-crackheads? |
| 03:45.29 | cafuego | calin: find . -name "*2005-3-20*" |
| 03:45.32 | indes | calin, find . -name "*.. |
| 03:45.32 | indes | yea |
| 03:45.32 | Cyanophytes | 2.6.8 |
| 03:45.35 | indes | cafuego, beat me to it |
| 03:45.39 | Cyanophytes | heh |
| 03:45.45 | indes | Cyanophytes, What? |
| 03:45.48 | indes | would you like a prize? |
| 03:45.52 | indes | I've seen that twice now. |
| 03:46.01 | Cyanophytes | typing /exec -o uname -r in xchat gives me 2.6.8 on this system |
| 03:46.02 | calin | cafuego: I was looking for that, but i was looking for the -file tag, instead of -name |
| 03:46.15 | indes | Cyanophytes, try /exec uname -a |
| 03:46.19 | indes | NO -o |
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| 03:46.28 | cafuego | calin: optionally: find . -name "*2005-3-20*" -exec grep -i "\.^\." '{}' \; |
| 03:46.35 | calin | O_O |
| 03:46.44 | indes | cafuego, long lines make him angry |
| 03:46.48 | indes | why do that to the poor guy? |
| 03:46.51 | calin | or i could do it my way and have it work too |
| 03:46.52 | cafuego | calin: To grep for .^. in all files that are found |
| 03:47.10 | cafuego | calin: No, your way does not work. (Shouldn't work anyway) |
| 03:47.14 | indes | calin, your way was proven to waste clock cycles |
| 03:47.15 | Cyanophytes | nothing |
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| 03:47.23 | indes | Cyanophytes, uname -a |
| 03:47.25 | calin | sure i found matches like my kissyface ^.3^, but i found the file i was looking for, right? |
| 03:47.29 | DarknessX | my nvidia-stuff was just automatically updated (apt-get dist-upgrade). I just ran the nvidia one-liner, which did some stuff, but I'm still getting the same error I had before -- "API Mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7167" Any ideas/links would be helpful. I haven't found anything useful while googling :-/ |
| 03:47.33 | calin | indes: I have clock cycles to waste |
| 03:48.01 | calin | cafuego: Shouldn't work, but it did |
| 03:48.03 | cafuego | calin: AH yes, but you can just remove 'cat |' - that does *nothing* |
| 03:48.03 | indes | calin, here in #debian, we do things the correct way. if you want to waste clock cycles, see #win32 or #windowsxp |
| 03:48.07 | travisat | DarknessX: you need to install all nvidia stuff up to unstable |
| 03:48.19 | jiyuu0 | DarknessX, did u broke ur X after the dist-upgrade |
| 03:48.24 | jiyuu0 | it broke mine |
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| 03:48.31 | DarknessX | travisat: is that not taken care of through dependancies? (yes, my X is broken) |
| 03:48.32 | indes | calin, they'll waste as many clock cycles and columbs of electricty alll day long |
| 03:48.38 | travisat | DarknessX: no not really |
| 03:48.39 | DarknessX | [O |
| 03:48.43 | DarknessX | err, I'm running unstable now |
| 03:48.45 | indes | the horror DarknessX !! |
| 03:48.50 | pipeline | I hate esd. HATE HATE HATE. |
| 03:48.51 | calin | indes: it was done in less than a second. THanks for shutting up |
| 03:48.51 | travisat | DarknessX: hmmmmm |
| 03:48.58 | cafuego | calin: over-use of 'cat' leads to global warming. |
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| 03:49.05 | WiFiTux | pipeline, lsd? |
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| 03:49.08 | DarknessX | travisat: so how do I get my dependencies up-to-date, slash my X working? |
| 03:49.13 | indes | calin, listen to cafuego |
| 03:49.18 | calin | cafuego: I live in texas, I don't care about the heat. |
| 03:49.25 | Xenguy | pipeline: good, gooood! Feel the POWAH of your HATE! |
| 03:49.29 | indes | DarknessX, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:49.32 | indes | ? |
| 03:49.38 | cafuego | calin: NOW you tell me you live in Texas. |
| 03:49.44 | indes | OOH |
| 03:49.45 | BrutusLinux | what program can I use to remotely connect to odbc connect in a shell? |
| 03:49.46 | calin | for my job, what i chose was simple and worked. |
| 03:49.46 | indes | thats makes sence |
| 03:49.49 | indes | sense |
| 03:49.51 | indes | ?! |
| 03:49.51 | travisat | DarknessX: you are sure you are using all unstable |
| 03:49.55 | cafuego | if I'd known that, I'd ignored you far earlier. |
| 03:49.56 | DarknessX | indes: well, right. |
| 03:50.00 | stew | "\.^\." is guaranteed to match nothing, right? you mean "\.\^\." |
| 03:50.00 | calin | bah |
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| 03:50.15 | indes | DarknessX, that upgrades to whatever dist you're using |
| 03:50.16 | calin | cafuego, indes: chill out. |
| 03:50.24 | indes | calin, its damn cold in here, I live in Canada |
| 03:50.26 | indes | not texas. |
| 03:50.38 | DarknessX | travisat: yeah, I'm 100% unstable |
| 03:50.45 | travisat | DarknessX: how is x broken |
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| 03:51.05 | DarknessX | the error I just posted leads to a "No Screens Found" error. |
| 03:51.12 | indes | ooh. |
| 03:51.17 | indes | lol thats not broken per se |
| 03:51.18 | cafuego | @noscreensfound |
| 03:51.18 | calin | indes: good, then you don't need my advice. |
| 03:51.29 | cafuego | The bots are broken, though. |
| 03:51.30 | zorpit | eidolon: it works now - thanks. =) |
| 03:51.30 | indes | calin, brrr ;-) |
| 03:51.36 | travisat | DarknessX: if you cahnge the driver to nv will x load |
| 03:51.48 | DarknessX | travisat: let's find out |
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| 03:51.57 | ep | it will |
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| 03:52.19 | WorldTree | Hey folks.. |
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| 03:52.52 | jiyuu0 | i'm thinkin to download debian to play with... how many CDs should i download in order to have KDE installed (without internet download during install)? |
| 03:52.55 | Hybridized_ | hi folks |
| 03:53.17 | abrotman | jiyuu0: 1 |
| 03:53.22 | DarknessX | travisat: yes, it loads if I change it to "nv", but the sync-rates are all screwed up and there's no HW accel |
| 03:53.29 | borkabrak | Is debootstrap broken lately? |
| 03:53.36 | indes | internet install kde AFTER you get the system put on |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | jiyuu0: the install won't require download .. but installing KDE will |
| 03:53.37 | indes | LOL |
| 03:53.48 | nvz | with sarge last snapshot, took me first 3 cds to do the full "desktop system" from the tasksel menu |
| 03:53.51 | aardvark | !test |
| 03:53.51 | dpkg | No, aardvark, you're not online any more. |
| 03:53.58 | travisat | DarknessX: thats right, remove all nvidia packages, then do the nvidia one-liner again |
| 03:54.10 | nvz | though the packages it pulled from the 3rd cd were few and mostly undesireable anyhow |
| 03:54.13 | DarknessX | alright. Is there an easy way to get a list of all nvidia packages? |
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| 03:54.32 | jiyuu0 | nvz, so meaning i need 3 cds? |
| 03:54.38 | travisat | DarknessX: just apt-get remove *nvidia* |
| 03:54.44 | nvz | DarknessX: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 03:55.20 | nvz | jiyuu0: well that installs *ALL* of KDE and GNOME including many extra undesirables like hal, udev.. blah blah blah |
| 03:55.42 | chealer | DarknessX: you're using unstable but you don't know how to do that :? |
| 03:55.58 | nvz | jiyuu0: you most likely want to d/l the first 1 or maybe 2 if you are able without much trouble, and skip tasksel and install just kde |
| 03:55.59 | WorldTree | I'm running Debian Testing on i686 architecture. I installed on my system but Grub did not detect my XP partitions and I cannot boot from it now. I added the appropriate entry in menu.lst and get the "makeactive" "savedefault" and "chainloader +1" on boot, but I receive no more messages. I do, earlier get a message about "unknown filesystem, type 0x7" |
| 03:56.04 | DarknessX | chealer: I know what I'm doing pretty well on linux itself, but debian is still pretty new to me |
| 03:56.19 | Hybridized_ | theres no turning back |
| 03:56.35 | chealer | DarknessX: allright... |
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| 03:56.59 | jiyuu0 | nvz, thank 4 advice :) |
| 03:57.06 | chealer | DarknessX: you might want to check the APT HOWTO anyway |
| 03:57.17 | DarknessX | chealer: okay, I will. Thanks |
| 03:57.28 | chealer | !tell DarknessX about apt-howto |
| 03:57.36 | nvz | jiyuu0: it really depends on what you are going for. I have 3 people I've installed sarge for recently, and only one of them has internet. I buned them 5 cds, and I found some games, editors, and other things I like are not even on the first 5. I think more people need to be using popularity contest |
| 03:58.17 | jiyuu0 | nvz, i just need the basic kde up... then rest it's ok... |
| 03:58.20 | chealer | WorldTree: what's your filesystem BTW? |
| 03:58.25 | nvz | jiyuu0: when you are online you have access to more than 14,000 packages in sarge, each cd only holds roughly 900-1000 of those packages :P |
| 03:58.40 | WorldTree | chealer: Running NTFS on WinXP, and ext3 in Debian |
| 03:59.05 | WorldTree | NTFS is /dev/hdb1, ext3 on /dev/hda1 |
| 03:59.06 | nvz | rated by popularity |
| 03:59.11 | abrotman | google for "debian grub myddrin" or something like that |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+grub+myrddin&spell=1 |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | wow .. i spelled it right here ... |
| 04:00.22 | nvz | jiyuu0: you will probably install less than 1000 or likely even less than 500, but the fact is by popularity many popular large things you will not use, will be on your cds :P |
| 04:00.23 | chealer | abrotman: do you know if it's normal that d-i doesn't detect NTFS? |
| 04:00.25 | HenryV | so i've been using debian for 2 years, and am now part of a lab with some 30 odd debian machines, all running unstable, all with the same package list. what exists out there to automatically synch package updates to a "master" machine |
| 04:00.41 | abrotman | chealer: dunno .. but you can always add it later .. i guess |
| 04:00.48 | nvz | I think this is why there is jigdo |
| 04:01.04 | abrotman | HenryV: apt-proxy will let you only download once |
| 04:01.08 | nvz | I never had any good experiences with it to share |
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| 04:01.21 | HenryV | abro: i'm already using it |
| 04:01.30 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 04:01.30 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 04:01.38 | chealer | WorldTree: anyway, there's a windows entry example in grub.lst that worked for me |
| 04:01.54 | HenryV | dont need to speed up download, i want to avoid logging into each of the 30 machines to update them manually |
| 04:02.08 | HenryV | all machines are installed and setup... just looking for automated update and synch |
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| 04:02.19 | abrotman | HenryV: cron-apt .. but a really really bad idea |
| 04:02.19 | DarknessX | travisat: no dice. I removed all nvidia packages, reran the one-liner, and I get the same error |
| 04:02.30 | WorldTree | I tried to match that, chealer, and no luck.. I'm checking the google search results now.. |
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| 04:02.44 | abrotman | WorldTree: from what i said .. take the first result |
| 04:02.55 | travisat | DarknessX: I remember that error sort of, what was the exact error |
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| 04:03.16 | HenryV | abrotman: how so? one problem is responding to the update prompts for file overwrites, settings, etc when updating, can cron-apt bypass that? |
| 04:03.17 | bob2 | HenryV: someone packaged that last week |
| 04:03.20 | chealer | DarknessX: maybe you can ask #nvidia. how do you get the module version you have? |
| 04:03.34 | abrotman | HenryV: you can bypassthat |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | packaged what bob2 ? |
| 04:03.49 | DarknessX | Error: API Mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7167." |
| 04:03.58 | bob2 | blah blah |
| 04:04.03 | WorldTree | *!@#.. Give me the google search terms again please.. |
| 04:04.04 | bob2 | " a tool to syncrhonize package lists" |
| 04:04.07 | WorldTree | No scrollback here.. |
| 04:04.11 | abrotman | bob2: did blahblah make it into sid? |
| 04:04.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:04.13 | chealer | DarknessX: yes I want to check what's my kernel module version |
| 04:04.26 | HenryV | how might the prompting be bypassed? |
| 04:04.30 | bob2 | HenryV: pkgsync |
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| 04:04.38 | abrotman | HenryV: listen to bob2 |
| 04:04.44 | HenryV | oh ok |
| 04:05.14 | Chewie[] | hey.. i'm using apt-build, and i've built a few packages, but now apt-get upgrade wants to 'upgrade' them to the versions on the mirrors. how do i prevent this? |
| 04:05.16 | DarknessX | chealer: I don't really know |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | Chewie[]: put them on hold |
| 04:06.09 | TBBle | Chewie[]: Bump the version number by .0.0.1, or put them on hold, or futz with your apt-preferences so that they're priority gets out of the range of "will upgrade if they have the same version but different metadata |
| 04:06.09 | Chewie[] | abrotman: hmm? |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | bob2: looks like an interesting package |
| 04:06.13 | TBBle | " |
| 04:06.25 | Chewie[] | is there no simpler way? |
| 04:06.31 | abrotman | !tell Chewie[] about hold |
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| 04:06.36 | abrotman | how hard is that? |
| 04:06.46 | _dad | Running Sid and it's not unstable. Has there been a period of time in the last year where Sid was badly broken (use your own judgement) or is it always this good? |
| 04:06.52 | travisat | DarknessX: ahhh, the nvidia in unstable is broken i believe. |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | _dad: things break sometimes |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | _dad: really ... they do ... |
| 04:07.07 | _dad | Major? |
| 04:07.23 | abrotman | _dad: the pam thing a while ago was pretty bad |
| 04:07.23 | Chewie[] | abrotman: well, i've got no idea what you mean by it.. i'm just thinking maybe i can change a line in the sources file? |
| 04:07.26 | DarknessX | travisat: hm, that's not great |
| 04:07.36 | abrotman | Chewie[]: /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:07.38 | DarknessX | travisat: any blogs/places where I can get news about this? |
| 04:07.44 | _dad | I've had the ocasional app disapear, is that about it? |
| 04:07.45 | TBBle | Was the pam breakage within the last three years? I know it wasn't within the last two, by where I was living. |
| 04:07.55 | WorldTree | Could someone please scrollback and copy/paste the google link regarding debian grub? I don't have scrollback here. |
| 04:08.23 | abrotman | _dad: no .. occasionally things will implode .. the pam thing was that if you logged out .. you had do go through the gates of hell to get the system back :) |
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| 04:08.35 | abrotman | WorldTree: google for "debian grub myrddrin" |
| 04:08.41 | _dad | Yeah thanks, i'd heard something about PAM. I guess that screwed logins huh? |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | WorldTree: it's the first link |
| 04:08.51 | abrotman | _dad: there have been others |
| 04:09.38 | Cyanophytes | if tulip.c is loaded how can I unload it other than rmmod tulip.c? |
| 04:09.45 | chealer | travisat: where did you get this? |
| 04:09.45 | _dad | May I ask (opps).. Did they take days or hours to fix? What was the max down (futz) time? |
| 04:09.47 | abrotman | _dad: i think there was a list somewhere at one time |
| 04:10.03 | abrotman | _dad: i don't remember .. probably not long |
| 04:10.07 | abrotman | Piggy: ? |
| 04:10.29 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: you can't load a .c file as a module |
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| 04:10.49 | travisat | chealer: I forgot I trying to find it. Something to do with the latest version from nvidia, I don't think its just a debian thing |
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| 04:11.27 | _dad | Well I guess I'm a wreakless Sid kinda guy then. :) Thanks! |
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| 04:11.39 | WorldTree | myrddrin is incorrect.. |
| 04:11.41 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: is there a way to remove tulip.c? |
| 04:11.52 | WorldTree | But thanks anyway abrotman. |
| 04:11.53 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: tulip.c is a source file ... not a module |
| 04:11.57 | WorldTree | myrddin apparently. |
| 04:11.57 | abrotman | WorldTree: ? |
| 04:12.05 | abrotman | that's what i said? |
| 04:12.14 | abrotman | oh .. close .. sorry |
| 04:12.26 | WorldTree | It's alright.. |
| 04:12.32 | WorldTree | I'm having a rough night here anyway. |
| 04:12.33 | abrotman | WorldTree: did you find it? |
| 04:12.54 | _dad | OK one more and I'm out. What can you say about using the Deb (Sid) pool instead of this trend/whatever of having a deb "based |
| 04:12.54 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: i'm not sure what you're trying to do |
| 04:12.59 | _dad | " pool? |
| 04:13.15 | Xenguy | Grep/regex question: anyone know how I can match a string like this: é |
| 04:13.16 | Xenguy | ? |
| 04:13.19 | abrotman | _dad: you get to come here and ask questions .. and don't we always answer your questions? |
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| 04:14.04 | WorldTree | I think so. |
| 04:14.06 | _dad | abrotman: Well, you certainly have helped me thanks. |
| 04:14.22 | WorldTree | Damnit.. |
| 04:14.38 | WorldTree | update-grub doesn't find the NTFS partition to boot from. |
| 04:14.39 | Cyanophytes | abrotman: I'm trying to get my network adapter to work. I see in dmest it sayes tulip.c before my network adapters info. Wondering if I can change it. |
| 04:14.56 | narg | Debian keeps mounting options in fstab, right? |
| 04:14.56 | abrotman | it doesn't say .c |
| 04:14.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:15.07 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 04:15.19 | _dad | I don't ALWAYS get an answer and I try to ask well but basically this can be a great resource so thank you (who help) |
| 04:15.26 | TBBle | Actually, it might say 'tulip.c', often the modules talk about themselves in the source-tense. |
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| 04:15.50 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: you can use the modules rules to force the system to load one module before another |
| 04:16.02 | travisat | narg: yes |
| 04:16.41 | Cyanophytes | that command didn't show the tulip.c line that normally shows up before my network adapter |
| 04:16.42 | BrianAnthony | how can I configure ALSA? |
| 04:16.49 | travisat | BrianAnthony: alsaconf |
| 04:17.05 | abrotman | how can i make alsa remmeber the level for pcm2 ? |
| 04:17.28 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: `ifconfig -a` doesn't show any adapters? |
| 04:17.36 | Cyanophytes | yes it does |
| 04:17.42 | Cyanophytes | but can't seem to use it |
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| 04:17.46 | abrotman | so what's wrong!? |
| 04:17.57 | erirlar | how do i exit x server? |
| 04:17.59 | Cyanophytes | when using ifup to start eth0 I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporary unavailable" anyone know what this means? |
| 04:18.02 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: did you set any options in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:18.21 | abrotman | !tell Cyanophytes about interfaces |
| 04:18.21 | travisat | abrotman: alsactl |
| 04:18.27 | abrotman | travisat: you wish :) |
| 04:19.04 | BrianAnthony | does anyone know a good bit about ALSA and what it might be able to support? |
| 04:19.06 | libervisco | Anyone knows about those two debian update CD's? |
| 04:19.24 | abrotman | travisat: no . it would probably work .. i forgot about it |
| 04:19.24 | abrotman | #alsa? |
| 04:19.24 | Cyanophytes | yes I edited interfaces |
| 04:19.33 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: and `/etc/init.d/networking restart` ? |
| 04:19.43 | abrotman | libervisco: specify |
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| 04:19.51 | Flimzy | BrianAnthony: alsa-project.org |
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| 04:20.11 | Flimzy | BrianAnthony: It should support just about any sound card out there (except mine, apparantly) |
| 04:20.25 | abrotman | erirlar: ctrl-alt-bksp is one way |
| 04:20.39 | BrianAnthony | I have a RealTek AC97 onboard sound chip |
| 04:20.45 | Cyanophytes | restarting gives me the same "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporary unavailable" |
| 04:21.01 | libervisco | abrotman, i just ordered a pack of 9 CD Debian cd's which includes the normal 7CD's pack and a two update CD's - i'm not completely sure as to what do they update to? A sarge? |
| 04:21.07 | BrianAnthony | It supported my VIA AC97 on my old board |
| 04:21.17 | abrotman | libervisco: Woody 3.0r4 i hope |
| 04:21.21 | libervisco | it's Debian 3r4 |
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| 04:21.26 | nvz | libervisco: they are probably the latest woody security updates |
| 04:21.32 | abrotman | libervisco: certainly not to sarge .. i think sarge is up to 15CDs |
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| 04:21.52 | libervisco | hmm.. those 7CD's are 3r4 already.. |
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| 04:21.56 | libervisco | so.. |
| 04:22.00 | abrotman | libervisco: pop them in .. see what they say |
| 04:22.14 | libervisco | alright, i'm still to get them tommorow.. will see then |
| 04:22.17 | libervisco | thanks :) |
| 04:22.21 | abrotman | ok |
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| 04:22.56 | Flimzy | BrianAnthony: How delightful. |
| 04:23.02 | eventide | how is it that intense CPU usage makes this high pitched whine (harddrive?) go away... |
| 04:23.03 | travisat | anybody want to mail me the sarge cds, I don't want to download them |
| 04:23.23 | pluto | when I adduser user audio it stll can't open audio device /dev/dsp: |
| 04:23.28 | Flimzy | eventide: it probably doesn't. |
| 04:23.29 | pluto | mmmmmmmmmh |
| 04:23.30 | abrotman | travisat: some website is selling them |
| 04:23.39 | michal_ | I'm trying to update a system overseas and whenever I do an apt-get update I get "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" no matter what I set the cache limit to :/ |
| 04:23.50 | travisat | abrotman: money, me pay? nah... |
| 04:23.51 | michal_ | any ideas ? not sure what else I can try |
| 04:23.58 | thomas_adam | michal_: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 04:23.59 | abrotman | travisat: then don't bitch |
| 04:24.01 | Flimzy | eventide: Unless the high-pitched noise is your CPU fan running slowly, and more CPU utilization creates more heat, and causes your fan to spin faster |
| 04:24.11 | nvz | michal_: have you tried sending me any money yet? |
| 04:24.24 | eventide | Flimzy: hm, I don't think I have such a sophisticated system |
| 04:24.46 | pluto | when I adduser user audio it stll can't open audio device /dev/dsp: >:o |
| 04:24.46 | HenryV | hmm... i have a lot of reading on cfengine / pkgsync |
| 04:24.47 | eventide | Flimzy: but I will experiment by putting my finger in the CPU fan... |
| 04:24.53 | travisat | anybody want to send me money to buy the debian cds |
| 04:25.05 | pluto | help me |
| 04:25.35 | travisat | I got ubuntu cds for free.... |
| 04:25.41 | travisat | I'll trade |
| 04:26.00 | michal_ | just how high am I supposed to set the cache limit? how many digits?: 20? 30? |
| 04:26.28 | Flimzy | eventide: Was your system built in the last 5 years? |
| 04:27.01 | eventide | Flimzy: I'm fairly certain it's the harddrive; the noise remains when I stop all fans |
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| 04:28.00 | Flimzy | eventide: then your CPU utilization probably has nothing to do with it. |
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| 04:28.27 | aqua | is there a way to download a package's source with apt-get? |
| 04:29.33 | eventide | Flimzy: well, "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null", and moving (opaquely) a window about rapidly (both cause full CPU usage) make the sound go away |
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| 04:29.54 | eventide | Flimzy: perhaps I should just run "cat ..." in the background to shut this thing up :) |
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| 04:32.28 | michal_ | nope.. this debian system can't be updated :( always the Dynamic MMap ran out of room error |
| 04:32.44 | chealer | !tell aqua about getsource |
| 04:33.07 | chealer | !tell michal_ about mmap |
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| 04:33.43 | michal_ | chealer: i've repeatedly mentioned that increasing the cache limit does NOT fix the problem |
| 04:34.21 | shingouz | michal_: this is a stab in the dark but try cleaning the cache incase the drive is full |
| 04:34.24 | michal_ | there must be another cause for the error |
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| 04:34.43 | busboy | hi, any familar with setting up vpn on ipcop? |
| 04:34.52 | michal_ | drive isn't full and i tried deleting all the lists and then reupdating but that didn't help either |
| 04:34.59 | Flimzy | eventide: Well then it's not your HD |
| 04:35.07 | TBBle | michal_: Tried trimming your list of sources? |
| 04:35.40 | Flimzy | eventide: There is no way that 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null' would cause any change in HD behavior |
| 04:35.49 | chealer | michal_: sorry |
| 04:35.51 | Flimzy | eventide: Unless you have something like 2mb of RAM, and running 'cat' causes you to swap |
| 04:35.52 | eventide | Flimzy: exactly. it's insane |
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| 04:37.07 | eventide | Flimzy: but all moving parts save the HD have been stopped (cpu fan, case fan, 2 ps fans) and the noise persists, but vanishes with "cat". Perhaps I should see a doctor... |
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| 04:37.25 | Flimzy | eventide: Then the sound isn't caused by a moving part. |
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| 04:37.38 | eventide | hm |
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| 04:37.49 | remote | apt, xdefault |
| 04:38.10 | i-o | hello |
| 04:38.10 | remote | dpkg, xdefaults ?? |
| 04:38.10 | dpkg | methinks xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 04:38.18 | i-o | How do i configure my ethernet connection |
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| 04:39.16 | bob2 | HenryV: don't /msg me |
| 04:39.19 | mwilson | man 5 interfaces |
| 04:39.21 | bob2 | HenryV: I told you the name of the package |
| 04:39.23 | bob2 | HenryV: pkgsync |
| 04:39.42 | mwilson | I think I like how oBSD does it better, though. :) |
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| 04:40.47 | nvz | can this motherboard ( http://support.gateway.com/s//MOTHERBD/INTEL/2512700/2512700nv.shtml ) support this card ( http://www.arsenalpc.com/Details.asp?ItemID=3115&Res=2 ) and would it work in debian? heh, card says 4x/8x AGP, and seems like the specs on that mobo link says its a 2x/4x integrated AGP |
| 04:40.53 | eventide | Flimzy: I would guess the power supply then? is AC->DC noisy? |
| 04:41.07 | nvz | I dont know one agp from the next |
| 04:41.12 | Flimzy | eventide: Would make more sense than the HD, anyway. |
| 04:41.17 | nvz | or what the hell the difference os |
| 04:41.24 | nvz | s/os/is/ |
| 04:41.40 | eventide | Flimzy: hm, thanks for your logic, I guess I will try to swap this ps and see what happens |
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| 04:42.39 | nvz | it seems to me the graphics on that mobo suck badly, and this card would work a lot better in debian if its compatible |
| 04:42.46 | aedwards | hello can anyone assist?...I am trying to install qtlib-dev and deselect reports perlapi-5.6.1 does not appear to be available as a dependency. |
| 04:43.18 | aedwards | install qtlib-dev so I can confgure my kernel with make xconfig. |
| 04:43.29 | chealer | qtlib-dev, is that a debian package? |
| 04:43.40 | TBBle | Not unless it's in Woody. |
| 04:43.51 | michal_ | apt-get -v gives me apt 0.3.11 for i386 compiled on Aug 8 1999 10:12:36 |
| 04:44.17 | bob2 | no, it's not |
| 04:44.23 | bob2 | you mean libqt3-mt-dev |
| 04:44.25 | Flimzy | Is it no longer possible to do a 'rescue' boot from a d-i install CD? |
| 04:44.52 | michal_ | and dpkg is Debian Linux `dpkg' package management program version 1.4.0.35 (i386 elf). |
| 04:44.56 | chealer | michal_: wow. what's your release? |
| 04:45.19 | michal_ | 2.1 apparently |
| 04:45.31 | chealer | you mean...before potato? |
| 04:45.32 | TBBle | I assume qtlib-dev is what Redhat calls the package, and was mentioned in whatever howto or documentation aedwards was looking at. |
| 04:46.00 | TBBle | michal_: Which means you need to upgrade to 2.2 before you can go to 3.0, as I recall. |
| 04:46.19 | michal_ | is it possible to update to 2.2 over the internet? |
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| 04:46.45 | i-o | I am trying to configure my network connection "auto eth0" the other part is"iface" but can't remember the rest can someone help |
| 04:46.56 | aedwards | dpkg -l|grep libqt shows ii libqt2, ic libqt3, ic libqt3-mt |
| 04:46.56 | chealer | what's the point of having /wwsr in topic? :) |
| 04:46.57 | TBBle | michal_: oldstable I think. |
| 04:47.15 | michal_ | oldstable? in the apt.sources? |
| 04:47.28 | TBBle | aedwards: dpkg -l doesn't show _everything_ that's available. apt-cache search will. |
| 04:47.42 | karsten | indes: Found it. '-r' "don't run if empty" xargs argument. |
| 04:47.52 | TBBle | michal_: Hmm. That might just be security updates... |
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| 04:48.05 | karsten | indes: ...testing now. |
| 04:48.15 | karsten | !xargs++ |
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| 04:48.35 | gravity | Yay xargs! |
| 04:48.50 | karsten | gravity: Quite. |
| 04:49.04 | nvz | more specifically, there is a closeup of this slot here http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/INTEL/2508226/250822607.shtml says it supports AGP 2x and 4x specifications.. so would this nVidia 5600 VT128 work? http://www.arsenalpc.com/Details.asp?ItemID=3115&Res=2 |
| 04:49.10 | karsten | gravity: Now if I could just alias ':wq' to 'exit' in bash.... |
| 04:49.10 | aedwards | apt-get install libqt3-dev fails on dep xlibs-dev,libmng-dev,libfreetype6 |
| 04:49.28 | gravity | karsten: heh |
| 04:49.39 | michal_ | there is no potato main :/ |
| 04:49.52 | karsten | gravity: Well, you _can_ alias it ;-) |
| 04:49.53 | ZCorker | Yesterday I installed Debian Linux, but I get an extra menu for choosing an operating system at startup and this extra menu is daisy chained with another menu on startup that was created by win2k. I am running Debbian Linux, Dos, and Win2k on a dual boot with 512mb of ram memory on a PIII processor. |
| 04:49.55 | aedwards | I did search the cache for libqt but I get so many libqts and none will install the dev |
| 04:50.17 | ZCorker | Any idea how to get rid of this extra menu in Debbian Linux at startup? |
| 04:50.18 | TBBle | aedwards: libqt3-mt-dev. It tells you this when you apt-cache show libqt3-dev |
| 04:50.19 | karsten | ZCorker: You're talking about booting XP from GRUB? |
| 04:50.31 | nvz | ZCorker: can't do that |
| 04:50.44 | nvz | ZCorker: the windows menu is not capable of booting linux |
| 04:50.46 | karsten | ZCorker: Which menu turns up first, and did you have a boot manager when you were running DOS/2K? |
| 04:51.07 | WhiteRabbit | nvr you sure bout that? |
| 04:51.14 | WhiteRabbit | nvz |
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| 04:51.19 | ZCorker | karsten>yes I did have a boot manager for dos an win2k prior to installing debbian linux. |
| 04:51.25 | aedwards | apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev fails on dep libqt3-dev |
| 04:51.28 | karsten | ZCorker: Which bootloader starts first? |
| 04:51.30 | nvz | WhiteRabbit: not positive, I never tried |
| 04:51.33 | BROKEN_LADDER | once i install a kernel patch, in this case for reiser4 fs, is there anything further i need to do after the apt-get install? |
| 04:51.41 | BROKEN_LADDER | cause i can't get it to work, even though i installed that patch. |
| 04:51.44 | karsten | ZCorker: BROKEN_LADDER Reboot, presumably. |
| 04:51.51 | karsten | ZCorker: NM |
| 04:51.56 | BROKEN_LADDER | yeah..that hasn't worked. |
| 04:52.01 | karsten | BROKEN_LADDER: Um. Load it. Possibly reboot. |
| 04:52.07 | karsten | BROKEN_LADDER: Is the module loaded? |
| 04:52.13 | aedwards | not going to be installed. TBBle do you know how I can have apt-get give more info as to why it wont install |
| 04:52.14 | WhiteRabbit | nvr its possible to do but not fun to do really |
| 04:52.17 | BROKEN_LADDER | i don't even know what it's called. |
| 04:52.26 | BROKEN_LADDER | i thought the 2.6 kernel loaded most things automatically. |
| 04:52.33 | ZCorker | karsten> The boot loader for debian linux boots first. During the linux setup I was advised that I could not have dos and linux both being set to "boot" and windows requires dos to boot first. |
| 04:52.34 | nvz | ZCorker: you would want to ask some microsofties how to stop NTLDR from displaying a menu and just boot Win2k when grub passes control |
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| 04:53.08 | karsten | ZCorker: Boot process short overview: your system starts, runs POST, initializes any cards, then hands off to the bootloader (generally MBR of first IDE disk). That then either launches an OS first, or a chainloader to anther OS. |
| 04:53.27 | karsten | ZCorker: OK. What are you seeing that you don't want to see? Does Linux boot? Does DOS bot? Does 2K boot? |
| 04:53.31 | TBBle | aedwards: Beyond what it normally says? No. What's it say? |
| 04:53.42 | TBBle | Oh, wait, you said. |
| 04:53.51 | chealer | BROKEN_LADDER: according to the package description, it's a patch, not a module |
| 04:53.54 | karsten | ZCorker: I suspect your issue is c:\boot.ini Take a look at that. |
| 04:53.55 | ZCorker | nvz> ok. Thanks. The way the system is now, the dos option is actually called other operating systems in the debian boot menu and that options pulls up the menu for dos and windows, but you have to wait several minutes. The windows option in the linux boot menu won't work at all. |
| 04:53.59 | pluto | any chinese here?? |
| 04:54.13 | chealer | BROKEN_LADDER: so you'd have to rebuild your kernel. you installed kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4, right? |
| 04:54.14 | TBBle | aedwards: What distribution? libtq3-mt-dev on unstable _replaces_ libqt3-dev |
| 04:54.31 | ZCorker | karsten> Thanks |
| 04:54.49 | ZCorker | back in awhile. I am going to go check out boot.ini |
| 04:54.58 | TBBle | You'd have to be more specific on 'fails' too. |
| 04:55.17 | nvz | karsten: computers are like air-conditioners. When you open windows, they don't work anymore. |
| 04:55.28 | pluto | http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=184368 my question ~~~ |
| 04:56.37 | aedwards | TBBle apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev----libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3-dev (= 2:3.0.3-20020329-1woody2) but it is Notorious |
| 04:56.56 | aedwards | scratch the Notorious bit |
| 04:57.06 | aedwards | I am using woody |
| 04:57.07 | karsten | nvz: Um. Yeah. |
| 04:57.36 | karsten | pluto: That page is loading *very* slowly if at all. |
| 04:57.41 | karsten | !tell pluto about paster |
| 04:57.47 | TBBle | aedwards: It is "what"? |
| 04:57.49 | karsten | pluto: There's an alternate site which might work better. |
| 04:59.02 | aedwards | libqt3-dev: Depends: xlibs-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 04:59.02 | aedwards | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.02 | aedwards | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.22 | karsten | pluto: No load on that page. |
| 04:59.43 | TBBle | aedwards: Have you been screwing with your policies? Anyway, add those to your 'install' line, and keep going until you get an error under than 'not going to be installed' |
| 05:00.06 | TBBle | aedwards: Might be easier to install libncurses5-dev and use menuconfig, in fact.^_^ |
| 05:00.30 | aedwards | okay thanks |
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| 05:03.50 | remote | dpkg, selinux ?? |
| 05:03.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, selinux is the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
| 05:03.58 | remote | apt, selinux ?? |
| 05:04.10 | apt | somebody said selinux was the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
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| 05:04.56 | Flimqy | How do you 'rescue' a sarge system? There's no 'rescue' option on the install CD |
| 05:05.06 | bob2 | use another cd |
| 05:05.20 | bob2 | or run through the installer far enough that it detects the drives |
| 05:05.33 | michal_ | is there any place on the internet that hosts debian potato for apt-get upgrade ? |
| 05:05.44 | bob2 | !+archive |
| 05:05.44 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://archive.debian.org/, or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 05:06.21 | bob2 | there are mirrors out there |
| 05:06.25 | Tarkus | does debian come with KDE installed? |
| 05:06.27 | bob2 | but very few, since it's stupidly old |
| 05:06.28 | bob2 | Tarkus: no |
| 05:06.53 | michal_ | hmm.. i THINK slink is running in this machine |
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| 05:07.24 | bob2 | http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/mirrors/ |
| 05:07.39 | voyd | i've moved from fedora to debian and some of my php scripts fail to work properly |
| 05:07.40 | michal_ | i'm confused.. isn't potato stable and slink the version before it? |
| 05:07.50 | voyd | one of the errors is: Warning: move_uploaded_file(data/public/favicon.ico): failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| 05:07.53 | jjazz | Tarkus: no, but it's pretty easy to install it |
| 05:07.58 | voyd | is this common? and can it be fixed? |
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| 05:08.13 | bob2 | michal_: no, potato was obsoleted 3 years ago |
| 05:08.14 | TBBle | michal_: Nope. Woody is stable, potatoe is the version before that, and slink is before _that-. |
| 05:08.18 | Flimqy | bob2: _which_ CD? |
| 05:08.19 | bob2 | michal_: woody is the current stable |
| 05:08.24 | bob2 | Flimqy: knoppix, ubuntu |
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| 05:08.27 | michal_ | oh that's right.. too many character names :/ |
| 05:08.40 | michal_ | bob2: all the versions EXCEPT potato seem to be archived |
| 05:08.46 | rixth | What is the replacment header to provide the cout function? iostream.h is depreciated apparently |
| 05:08.48 | michal_ | on the debian site |
| 05:08.49 | bob2 | potato is archived |
| 05:08.53 | bob2 | rixth: iostream |
| 05:08.55 | Flimqy | bob2: I should not have to resort to using knoppix to get Debian working. |
| 05:08.59 | bob2 | but archive.d.o is gone |
| 05:09.11 | TBBle | voyd: That's not a Debian specific error,that's saying it can't find 'data/public/favicon.ico' from where you are now. |
| 05:09.11 | bob2 | Flimqy: ok! |
| 05:09.11 | Flimqy | bob2: It's a sad day when #Debian is recommending Knoppix |
| 05:09.14 | bob2 | voyd: perhaps safe_mode is enabled |
| 05:09.15 | michal_ | bob2: i'm looking in ftp.debian.org/debian-archive/dists |
| 05:09.16 | themusicgod1 | What does it mean when md5sum has an error message including "input/output error?" is my hard drive on the verge of dying? |
| 05:09.17 | bob2 | Flimqy: I'm not recommending it |
| 05:09.30 | bob2 | themusicgod1: possibly |
| 05:09.30 | michal_ | bob2: and it seems to have up to version 2.1 |
| 05:09.35 | jjazz | How can I format a partition for Fat32? |
| 05:09.42 | rixth | bob2, it errors if I simply have #include <iostream> |
| 05:09.44 | bob2 | michal_: it should be on archive.d.o, but it's gone for now |
| 05:09.50 | bob2 | rixth: then something else is wrong |
| 05:09.50 | voyd | ok thanks |
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| 05:09.58 | bob2 | rixth: perhaps you forgot to use "using namespace std;"? |
| 05:10.20 | bob2 | michal_: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/mirrors/ |
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| 05:10.43 | rixth | bob2, I'm actually just following a little guide, I want to get into C++ so I don't actually understand |
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| 05:10.53 | sean_micken | hey what pkg is lame in? |
| 05:11.02 | bob2 | michal_: I don't see a debian-archive dir on ftp.d.o (tho it points to multiple machines, perhaps it happens to be on the one you're looking at) |
| 05:11.05 | bob2 | sean_micken: /msg dpkg lame |
| 05:11.14 | bob2 | rixth: then that's almost certainly your problem |
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| 05:11.49 | TBBle | bob2: Looks to me like pingus.seul.org upgraded to woody/sarge/sid. |
| 05:12.18 | voyd | bob2: safe mode is off |
| 05:12.47 | rixth | cafuego, what would you suggest? |
| 05:13.01 | grivell | rixth: VB .NET ;) |
| 05:13.03 | cafuego | rixth: Anything not a mockery of a programming language <heh> |
| 05:13.15 | bob2 | rixth: python is an excellent teaching (and real life) language |
| 05:13.17 | rixth | #include <iostream> *break* using standard namespace; *break* that still fails |
| 05:13.19 | cafuego | rixth: Straight C for instance. |
| 05:13.25 | michal_ | bob2: well some of that worked |
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| 05:13.34 | bob2 | rixth: you'd need to actually paste the program somewhere if you want help |
| 05:13.42 | bob2 | TBBle: hm |
| 05:13.58 | michal_ | Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ' |
| 05:14.02 | michal_ | but not main :/ |
| 05:14.09 | cafuego | potato! |
| 05:14.15 | LordFolk3n | Can someone help please I am trying to comfigure my network I downloaded sarge |
| 05:14.17 | bob2 | they don't have potato |
| 05:14.17 | MesaMan | what is different between kernels 2.2 and 2.4? Using the Debian stock 386 kernels, my system works well with 2.2 and spontaneously reboots when booting 2.4... |
| 05:14.24 | LordFolk3n | I am trying to configure my ethernet |
| 05:14.33 | bob2 | MesaMan: you almost certainly installed the wrong 2.4 kernel then |
| 05:14.38 | rixth | Well, here's the story, in my COmputer Studies class, I'm finding it much to easy so the teacher said "Waht programming language would you like to learn?" I was unsure what to answer but I knew C++ is very common so I said that. Was I wrong to say that? |
| 05:15.06 | MesaMan | bob2: Isn't the 386 kernel supposed to be the safest? |
| 05:15.07 | cafuego | rixth: No, it's common enough. |
| 05:15.15 | bob2 | michal_: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 05:15.26 | bob2 | MesaMan: you used the 386 2.4 kernels? dunno then. |
| 05:15.31 | bob2 | rixth: it's a terrible first language |
| 05:15.41 | bob2 | it's huge and complicated and easy to write crap in |
| 05:15.56 | grivell | cafuego: KDE is C++. That is a pretty large project. |
| 05:15.58 | rixth | So, do you think I should go with Python? |
| 05:15.58 | MesaMan | bob2: I did. Happens with 2.4 and 2.6 and -386 kernels |
| 05:16.17 | grivell | cafuego: And Mozilla. |
| 05:16.27 | bob2 | mozilla's codebase is terrible |
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| 05:16.39 | bob2 | and they strictly limit what C++ features they use so it builds with shitty old compilers |
| 05:16.45 | disasm | rixth: what are you writing? |
| 05:16.46 | rixth | Now, now, children. |
| 05:16.48 | cafuego | Just because it has a lot of code doesn't mean it's a nice language. |
| 05:17.00 | TBBle | And provide their own runtime too. It's almost Java w/C++ syntax. |
| 05:17.00 | rixth | disasm; I just want to learn a programming language |
| 05:17.02 | michal_ | the point of learning programming languages in university is not to learn a specific programming language. it's to learn programming concepts and to learn how to learn ANY programming language. |
| 05:17.08 | cafuego | rixth: I prefer straight C myself. |
| 05:17.20 | bob2 | michal_: amen |
| 05:17.33 | bob2 | michal_: (that page had like 15 mirrors, surely at least one still works ;) |
| 05:17.33 | cafuego | michal_: Yes, but then the idea is that you don't start with a language that gives you bad habits. |
| 05:17.38 | grivell | cafuego: You said it is not common enough. KDE includes a lot of apps. That is pretty common on peoples desktops (well Linux users) |
| 05:17.40 | rixth | cafuego, I know the two differ, but apparently, from what I have read, not by much |
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| 05:17.55 | cafuego | grivell: Scroll up, re-read. Apologise. |
| 05:18.05 | Flimqy | I don't suppose there's a win32 version of lilo anywhere, is there? |
| 05:18.13 | bob2 | Flimqy: there's loadlin |
| 05:18.15 | michal_ | cafuego: exactly. the language should naturally reinforce good programming |
| 05:18.23 | grivell | doh |
| 05:18.23 | Flimqy | bob2: Yeah, that isn't working for some reason. |
| 05:18.26 | grivell | Sorry :) |
| 05:18.36 | cafuego | michal_: *nod* In that repect I think there are better candicates then C++. |
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| 05:18.57 | grivell | I am placing words in your text. Now I know I have been up too long. Good night. |
| 05:18.58 | michal_ | so even if you never use the languuage outside of university it will have helped to teach you something that you can use for the rest of your life |
| 05:19.11 | michal_ | cafuego: i suspect even assembler is a better candidate :) |
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| 05:19.28 | michal_ | cafuego: the only worse one I can think of is BASIC |
| 05:19.36 | rixth | I'm having a horrible apt problem. If someone/someones coudl come to #flodd, I'll post my dilemma |
| 05:20.10 | Crell | Question. Why does the package for libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java not create a symlink the way that most of the commons jar files seem to have? Is that a bug, or deliberate? |
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| 05:24.49 | aedwards | what is the dpkg command to remove all kde packages so I don't have to type each package. |
| 05:25.14 | Crell | aedwards: apt-get install debfoster && man debfoster |
| 05:25.15 | bob2 | there isn't one |
| 05:25.29 | bob2 | "apt-get remove kdelibs3" might be what you mean |
| 05:25.56 | Crell | That would get MOST of KDE, probably, but not necessarily all. |
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| 05:26.44 | TBBle | rixth: Looks like a bug in xmail, but it's hard to tell... The failure was something in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xmail.postinst I think.... Are there any relevant bug reports/ |
| 05:26.47 | TBBle | ? |
| 05:27.18 | grivell | aedwards: Just get 'aptitude' and do a '/' kde and keep hitting '_' |
| 05:27.26 | rixth | TBBle, I just edited that file (under bob2's instructions) not it does that |
| 05:27.30 | mwilson | TBBle: You can't look? |
| 05:27.45 | rixth | TBBle, I'll post my original issue |
| 05:27.51 | TBBle | mwilson: I'm not the one having the problem. |
| 05:28.30 | mwilson | So? |
| 05:29.01 | bob2 | mwilson: stop being an ass |
| 05:29.09 | TBBle | mwilson: I'm not here to pretend to be debugs, and I don't want to encourage others to treat me as such. |
| 05:29.15 | TBBle | rixth: Looks like the same error but without dpkg debugging turned on. |
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| 05:30.17 | rixth | + dpkg --compare-versions 1.21-1 lt 1.21 *********** well, that's where it dies. Now, how can I fix it? |
| 05:30.34 | TBBle | Oh, wait. What was the change bob2 had you make? |
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| 05:30.49 | bob2 | 15:21:09 bob2 | edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xmail.postinst and add "set -x" ( no quotes) as the second line |
| 05:30.57 | xfdpl | what is the print command for a cups printer named LJ4? trying to print in acroread |
| 05:31.11 | TBBle | Ah, OK. That makes sense. ^_^ |
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| 05:31.30 | xfdpl | /usr/bin/lpr doesn't work |
| 05:31.33 | xfdpl | crashes acroread |
| 05:31.41 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:31.43 | TBBle | rixth: I think it's failing _after_ that line. It should return '1' in $?. |
| 05:31.47 | xfdpl | i tried /usr/bin/lpr -pLJ4 and that also crashed |
| 05:31.47 | bob2 | quality software there, adobe |
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| 05:31.56 | xfdpl | also same problem with xpdf |
| 05:32.04 | xfdpl | is there another pdf viewer? |
| 05:32.45 | TBBle | xfdpl: gv does PDF, doesn't it? |
| 05:32.53 | marinos | xfdpl: you may print it with xpp |
| 05:33.02 | mwilson | Is that the old one, or the new one? |
| 05:33.06 | xfdpl | trying kpdf ... |
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| 05:33.53 | cyzie | how do i check whether perl is installed in my debian ? |
| 05:34.05 | dondelelcaro | cyzie: it is. |
| 05:34.15 | mwilson | no need... it is |
| 05:34.25 | cyzie | okay... dondelelcaro . but how do i verify it? |
| 05:34.30 | dondelelcaro | cyzie: perl -v |
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| 05:34.44 | cleverAlf | cyzie: which perl (at cli) |
| 05:35.07 | mwilson | If it weren't there, large parts of the box wouldn't be functioning. |
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| 05:35.12 | cleverAlf | btw, it IS Installed.. <g> |
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| 05:35.28 | cyzie | however, the perl script work in fc3 gaim but not in debian gaim |
| 05:35.28 | cyzie | why? |
| 05:35.29 | Flimzy | How the heck does a person 'rescue' a sarge system with no 'rescue' option on the install media? |
| 05:35.42 | Flimzy | (and no separate 'rescue' image that I can find) |
| 05:35.44 | dondelelcaro | finally we're getting to the actual question |
| 05:36.08 | mwilson | Rescue it from what? You can just ignore d-i... most of anything else you'd need is on the CD. |
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| 05:37.11 | mwilson | Let d-i start on the first vt if it wants. |
| 05:38.15 | bob2 | Flimzy: boot. run through install until it gets to the partition manager. |
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| 05:38.26 | bob2 | then switch to another vt |
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| 05:38.37 | cleverAlf | i need to bkup my dvd movies but I don't intend to use those damn expensive DL DVD's to do it... It would be really nice if i could move them to 4.7gb dvd for safe keeping... dvdrip isn't working, besides, it leaves out the OSM stuff anyway.. lot of good that does :-( >> any help? << |
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| 05:39.36 | Flimzy | bob2: Yeah, I did that, too. But there's no way to run 'lilo' from there. |
| 05:39.54 | TBBle | Flimzy: mount your root partition on /target, chroot to it, and lilo away. |
| 05:40.02 | cafuego | Flimzy: The magic of chroot |
| 05:40.09 | chealer | cyzie: is it the same version? |
| 05:40.16 | Flimzy | TBBle: Tried that. Doesn't work b/c lilo can't load without the shared libs in the proper place |
| 05:40.20 | cyzie | chealer, yes |
| 05:40.29 | Flimzy | cafuego: I hadn't thought of that... |
| 05:40.31 | TBBle | Flimzy: What? If you chroot, then the libs _are_ in the proper place. |
| 05:40.31 | mwilson | I used a Sarge netinst not too long ago to repair my house fileserver. |
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| 05:40.52 | Flimzy | Is chroot in the debian installer? |
| 05:40.55 | LordKahless | is there a way to install debian on a laptop that currently has windows 98 on it, but has no cdrom or floppy drive? |
| 05:40.57 | cafuego | Flimzy: yes |
| 05:40.57 | mwilson | Yes. |
| 05:41.02 | Flimzy | okay, I'll try that. thanks |
| 05:41.15 | mark__ | being drunk and working with debian doesn't mix |
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| 05:41.42 | chealer | cyzie: wel...perl scripts are unreliable in gaim anyway. ask #gaim |
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| 05:42.26 | mark__ | i can't seem to recall the command to change the screen resolution |
| 05:42.31 | cyzie | chealer, taht is a big problem! they said something perl in debian nobody take care. also in gaim developer doesnt pay much attention on perl plugin :( |
| 05:43.36 | chealer | cyzie: that has been announced. check the Gaim 1.1.2 announcement |
| 05:43.49 | cleverAlf | in x windows it's ctl+sht (left hand side of keyboard) and + or - on keypad |
| 05:44.13 | cyzie | chealer, checking.. |
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| 05:45.49 | LordKahless | if i were to install debian onto a laptop hd in another computer |
| 05:45.54 | LordKahless | then put the hd back in the laptop |
| 05:45.55 | LordKahless | would it work? |
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| 05:46.05 | jjazz | LordKahless: yep |
| 05:46.25 | LordKahless | hmm right on |
| 05:46.30 | mark__ | now that is a plug-n-play os! |
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| 05:46.40 | LordKahless | LMAO |
| 05:46.49 | Hybridized_ | -_! |
| 05:46.53 | cyzie | chealer, too bad then... unless some perl master volunteer himself/herself to develop it or user cant make perl script for gaim anymore |
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| 05:48.08 | jjazz | LordKahless: The only reason it doesn't work on Win XP is because MS grabs a serial from the CPU as part of their copy protection scheme. You can do install Win98 in one box and put it in another, but not XP. This is another benefit of linux being a free OS. |
| 05:48.18 | LordKahless | hmm |
| 05:48.29 | LordKahless | okay one more question |
| 05:48.57 | LordKahless | do you think a 200mhz pentium with 64mb of ram could play a divx in mplayer? |
| 05:48.58 | LordKahless | LOL |
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| 05:49.17 | jjazz | LordKahless: No, I don't. |
| 05:49.23 | cleverAlf | one more time.... is there any way to bkup DL DVD movie to single layer w/out losing the on screen menu like dvdrip.. ??? |
| 05:49.49 | yxa | is there a package that makes the debian a remote access server where users can dialup into directly? |
| 05:49.55 | vchrizz | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yqH1zd87.html this is my interfaces file, how do i add another ipv6 address? i tired with another "address" line, but then ifup tells me, there is a duplicate entry ... so how to do that? please help ;) |
| 05:50.13 | LordKahless | if i were to upgrade the ram to like 256, u think i could then? |
| 05:50.27 | vchrizz | s/tired/tried |
| 05:50.49 | cleverAlf | yxa: yes but I don't recall off hand what is is.. |
| 05:51.12 | jjazz | LordKahless: My guess is that the clockspeed is what would stop you. Full screen video and sound can get expensive. But if you have the ram sitting around, try it. Maybe it wouldn't be all jerky. |
| 05:51.29 | yxa | cleverAlf please try to recall :) |
| 05:51.36 | vchrizz | yxa: apt-cache search dialup ;) |
| 05:51.43 | LordKahless | i just wanna get all i can out of this laptop |
| 05:51.43 | bob2 | LordKahless: a p3-450 struggles to do high bitrate divx |
| 05:51.43 | LordKahless | hehe |
| 05:51.51 | shingouz | LordKahless: with linux you can always try to play divx with the "small" computer, it's not like it costs anything except the time it takes to configure |
| 05:51.55 | vchrizz | yxa: pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server ? |
| 05:52.13 | bob2 | LordKahless: you coule re-encode things to something easier to play |
| 05:52.28 | yxa | vchrizz really? |
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| 05:52.39 | vchrizz | im not sure, just trying to help ;) |
| 05:52.54 | LordKahless | hehe this isnt the small computer |
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| 05:52.55 | LordKahless | the 486 laptop i just got |
| 05:52.55 | shingouz | bob2: p2-300 with 96M of ram seems to do pretty well here. go figure <shrug> |
| 05:52.55 | LordKahless | thats the small one :) |
| 05:52.55 | cleverAlf | yxa: thinking it was in the 'getty' group but not sure.. |
| 05:53.17 | bob2 | shingouz: my p3-450 drops a bazillion frames when playing the 175MB rips of futurama that I made |
| 05:53.44 | shingouz | bob2: hmm... maybe i am not that picky then :) |
| 05:53.50 | LordKahless | at least i know the compy can run my tuxnes :) |
| 05:54.11 | cleverAlf | bob2, you rip dvd's and don't have any problems? |
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| 05:54.39 | bob2 | cleverAlf: aside from taking forever to encode |
| 05:54.49 | bob2 | I gave up and just watched the actual dvds on the dvd player |
| 05:55.00 | shingouz | so far i have been able to play back any divx i have managed to find/rip but DVD's are not doable so far |
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| 05:55.14 | cleverAlf | bob2: you encode with trancode? |
| 05:55.35 | bob2 | cleverAlf: mencoder |
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| 05:55.57 | cleverAlf | bob2: how do you keep from loosing your osm? |
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| 05:56.29 | bob2 | "osm"? |
| 05:56.31 | bob2 | oh |
| 05:56.37 | bob2 | I don't care about the menu |
| 05:56.38 | cleverAlf | on screen menus |
| 05:56.55 | cleverAlf | ok... ic.. |
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| 05:57.15 | vchrizz | how do i add another ipv6 address to my interfaces file? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yqH1zd87.html i tried with another "address" line, but then ifup tells me, there is a duplicate entry ... |
| 05:57.37 | bob2 | ip -6 addr add 1:2:3:4 dev ethN |
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| 05:58.10 | michal_ | anyone know of a cheap standalone router that can NAT at around 10mb/s ? |
| 05:59.05 | michal_ | a Linksys WRT54G can only handle around 2mb/s from what I've heard.. an Apple aiport is even worse.. it does 2mb/s but virtually DIES... ie can't even do name resolution or any other NATing at the same time |
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| 05:59.38 | codemarauder | :) |
| 05:59.44 | mwilson | I think he believes that. |
| 06:00.10 | cafuego | michal_: Not had any issues with the WRT54G here |
| 06:00.33 | cafuego | not used Airport, but also not heard complaints from people who Do use 'em |
| 06:00.55 | mwilson | And I routinely pulll 10-12 mb out of my Airport, so it's just michal_ being michal_ again. |
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| 06:01.04 | michal_ | cafuego: and it only costs 3 times as much! :/ |
| 06:01.14 | zeeble | hello. |
| 06:01.15 | michal_ | cafuego: so you have a WRT54G then? |
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| 06:01.20 | cafuego | michal_: Did someone put a gun to your head and force you to buy one? |
| 06:01.26 | mwilson | michal_: Then don't *buy* one. I missed the gun being held to your head. |
| 06:01.32 | cafuego | michal_: Amongst other things, yes. |
| 06:01.33 | mwilson | Damn, he thinks like I do. |
| 06:01.39 | cafuego | mwilson: NO! |
| 06:01.45 | michal_ | mwilson: bullshit.. even Apple acknowledges that the airport CANNOT NAT at over around 2mb/s |
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| 06:02.11 | vchrizz | bob2: hum, isnt it possible to add it into the interfaces file? |
| 06:02.24 | mwilson | michal_: I really don't care what your *opinion* is. If you'd like to show *documentation*, I'll listen to you. |
| 06:02.28 | cafuego | michal_: if it makes you feel any better, bind9 on a Linux box with a load of 1.00 is EXTREMELY slow too. |
| 06:02.32 | michal_ | cafuego: actually there was a gun being held to my head.. the built in modem and usb print server |
| 06:02.49 | mwilson | michal_: Seeing as how I *own* three of them, I think I'm likely to be more qualified to talk about its performance than you. |
| 06:02.52 | cafuego | michal_: I missed the bit where other access points didn't also have those features. |
| 06:03.18 | michal_ | cafuego: name one that does.. ANY one.. when i say modem I am talking about a dial up modem |
| 06:03.31 | bob2 | vchrizz: as an if-up sort of thing, yeah |
| 06:03.36 | bob2 | vchrizz: or using aliases |
| 06:03.37 | bob2 | which are shit |
| 06:03.42 | cef | a lot of routers just don't have the cpu grunt in them to do common tasks.. particularly when you enable some of the nicer stuff (eg: stateful packet inspection, blah blah blah) |
| 06:03.56 | vchrizz | bob2: aliases? could you give me an example? |
| 06:03.59 | bob2 | no |
| 06:04.21 | cafuego | michal_: I'm sure some dlink or netgear models do. |
| 06:04.30 | vchrizz | bob2: hum, so where could i get help about that? |
| 06:04.31 | michal_ | cafuego: not a single one |
| 06:04.47 | michal_ | cafuego: it's not a feature anyone wants these days it seems |
| 06:04.49 | cafuego | michal_: If I find one, will you reimbuse the time I spent looking for it? |
| 06:05.00 | bob2 | vchrizz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/09/msg04025.html |
| 06:05.07 | mwilson | cafuego: No, he'll complain about how expensive it is. |
| 06:05.08 | cef | my boss has a netgear.. says it made a big difference in performance over his previous router. |
| 06:05.18 | bob2 | vchrizz: the lo:0 crap is an alias, use eth0:0 in your case (presumably) |
| 06:05.24 | michal_ | cafuego: you may find a snapgear with a serial port that can support a modem.. but that's about as close as you'll get.. and that costs more than an aiport extreme |
| 06:05.30 | cafuego | Anyway, I have a DLink 604+, a linksys WRT54Gv2 and a Minitar. All work fine. |
| 06:05.32 | cef | michal_: also billion seem to do well for our clients.. but as always, ymmv |
| 06:05.44 | michal_ | cef: i have a billion 7500GL as well |
| 06:05.48 | michal_ | sorry.. just GG |
| 06:05.52 | asuffield | netgear devices are faster than most but still slow as hell. no comparison to a real host |
| 06:05.59 | michal_ | the GL ones have the stupid trendmicro thing |
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| 06:06.07 | cef | asuffield: you got that right |
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| 06:07.08 | michal_ | the billion has terrible documentation.. wish linux could be installed on it |
| 06:07.12 | cafuego | michal_: http://www.alwaysonwireless.com/wiflyer.html |
| 06:07.18 | cafuego | michal_: Google hit #1 |
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| 06:07.59 | cef | michal_: I wouldn't be surprised if it's linux internally |
| 06:07.59 | michal_ | cafuego i don't think this existed a year ago when i bought the aiport |
| 06:08.28 | mwilson | michal_: What does that have to do with anything? You just got through telling him it didn't exist. |
| 06:08.34 | michal_ | cef: it does seem to bear similarities.. but if it was linux then the GPL would come into effect no? |
| 06:08.50 | zeeble | Radware. |
| 06:08.54 | michal_ | mwilson: and that doesn't have a usb print server as far as i can tell |
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| 06:09.20 | mwilson | You're just never satisfied. |
| 06:09.21 | cef | michal_: lots of companies don't bother though.. might have a poke about one at some stage |
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| 06:09.47 | michal_ | mwison: why would i be satisfied with something that doesn't meet my requirements? |
| 06:09.58 | michal_ | the airport does what it advertised |
| 06:10.08 | michal_ | and it never advertised it could NAt at LAN speeds |
| 06:10.16 | renegad3 | !postfix |
| 06:10.16 | dpkg | hmm... postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 06:10.26 | mwilson | michal_: I'm still waiting for the documentation... |
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| 06:11.57 | cef | michal_: so why do you need to do > 2mbit/sec NAT? moving DSL providers? |
| 06:12.08 | grendal_prime | this is a werid one but does anyone know of a way to mount a dir via fish?? |
| 06:12.27 | michal_ | cef: no.. 10mbit/sec NAT |
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| 06:12.40 | michal_ | cef: don't strictly speaking need it but it would come in real handy |
| 06:12.59 | cef | ahh hrm |
| 06:13.12 | Agrajag- | grendal_prime: uhh you dont mount ssh connections |
| 06:13.17 | michal_ | cef: it can do around 9mbit without NAT.. but with NAT it slows down AND becomes unresponsive to all other computers even for dns queries |
| 06:13.17 | mwilson | !boot from cdrom |
| 06:13.28 | mwilson | <sigh> no bot |
| 06:13.28 | grendal_prime | i really like the mozilla editor..but only supports ftp for publishing |
| 06:13.33 | grendal_prime | wich sucks |
| 06:13.36 | mwilson | !can't boot from cdrom |
| 06:13.55 | mwilson | Or no awake bot, anwyay |
| 06:14.13 | cef | Agrajag-: you can actually.... can't remember how atm.. but it's no default setup |
| 06:14.25 | grendal_prime | i would like to use ssh to connect..like with fish..but you know the dialog box in mozilla is of there own design and does not support fish..least wise not that i can see |
| 06:14.34 | mwilson | He keeps claiming this, but when asked for it, the magic Apple documentation seems to disappear. |
| 06:14.36 | chealer | !install cdrom |
| 06:14.36 | dpkg | install cdrom is, like, usefull if you have debian cds. if your cdrom is not bootable you will need the rescue.bin and root.bin |
| 06:15.05 | cef | grendal_prime: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html |
| 06:15.13 | Agrajag- | cef: as in a ssh based filesystem? like ftp fs or something? sounds a bit whacky |
| 06:15.25 | cef | Agrajag-: see above.. it exists |
| 06:15.31 | zeeble | it works well :) |
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| 06:15.46 | michal_ | jesus.. wish i had bookmarked that page |
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| 06:16.07 | mwilson | !findkeys cdrom |
| 06:17.00 | Agrajag- | well i dunno it seems to me a bit silly to use a protocol for something it wasn't designed for |
| 06:17.04 | grendal_prime | cef..fish rocks...really nice in quanta..but quanta..is not so great for general layout stuff |
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| 06:17.11 | grendal_prime | i do a shitload of with via fish though |
| 06:17.17 | mwilson | Ok, the bot is just ignoring ME, then. |
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| 06:17.46 | jm_ | it's listkeys |
| 06:18.21 | michal_ | mwislon: let's try this.. what makes you think it can go faster.. and when you say it goes faster for you how is everything connected.. I'm talking WAN port to LAN port using NAT |
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| 06:22.03 | michal_ | cafuego: can each of the ports of the WRT54G be controlled individually? |
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| 06:22.48 | jariep1_ | does anybody know the name of the french pilot that attempted to break the sound barrier and died in the process befor chuck yeagar? |
| 06:22.49 | bob2 | michal_: it runs linux |
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| 06:22.59 | bob2 | michal_: it has two ethernet interfaces |
| 06:23.42 | michal_ | bob2: i read on some forum that one of the older versions had 5 ethernet interfaces because it used a different ethernet chipset instead of the switch only one now being used |
| 06:23.55 | michal_ | bob2: any truth to that or was this person talking out of their ass? |
| 06:24.01 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 06:24.13 | michal_ | bob2: i've had trouble confirming it either way :/ |
| 06:24.15 | bob2 | I'd doubt it, tho, since you don't accidentally add 4 ethernet interfaces |
| 06:24.27 | bob2 | otoh, sun's gem chipset supports it fine |
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| 06:24.37 | mwilson | Well, since I can't find the URL again, go grab the latest FreeDOS boto disk. |
| 06:24.40 | mwilson | ack |
| 06:24.56 | michal_ | bob2: as in the broadcom is just a 4 port swithc whereas the older chipset was more than that |
| 06:24.58 | grendal_prime | jariep1_, Jaock!! |
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| 06:26.20 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure it's not a broadcom ethernet inetrface |
| 06:26.26 | bob2 | but it doesn't have lspci, so I can't check easily |
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| 06:28.00 | chance2105 | I'm attempting an install using sarge-rc2, net install. The binary kernel included panics at boot. To circumvent the issue, I booted Knoppix, installed another kernel image, and rebooted .. |
| 06:28.12 | jm_ | bob2: no /proc/pci? |
| 06:28.28 | bob2 | jm_: yeah, but that's just chip ids |
| 06:28.35 | bob2 | s'pose I could look up the ids on my laptop |
| 06:28.46 | chance2105 | I'm getting the error: "The device node /dev/hda3 for the root filesystem is missing, incorrect, or there is no entry for the root filesystem listed in /etc/fstab." |
| 06:29.12 | bob2 | the knoppix kernel probably doesn't have devfs support |
| 06:29.16 | bob2 | which d-i depends on |
| 06:29.19 | jm_ | bob2: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:29.39 | michal_ | bob: older versions used the ADMtek ethernet switch chipset it seems.. then they moved to Broadcom |
| 06:29.47 | bob2 | hm, ok |
| 06:30.07 | michal_ | bob2: http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6 |
| 06:30.22 | bob2 | I don't believe anything on phpnuke sites ;) |
| 06:30.26 | michal_ | bob2: there's an informative table at the bottom of the page |
| 06:30.36 | chance2105 | bob2: yeah, it's enabled. I built the kernel myself: cat .config |grep DEVFS returns CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y |
| 06:30.36 | Chameleon22 | can anyone suggest a nice app to use with tvtunner card ? |
| 06:30.37 | michal_ | bob2: the table is an image :) |
| 06:30.40 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:30.49 | bob2 | chance2105: is it being mounted? |
| 06:31.02 | michal_ | bob2: so if you believe jpegs.. http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules/Content/Autopsy/table.jpg |
| 06:31.07 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:31.14 | chance2105 | bob2: yeah. I'm cruising the kernel source from the root filesystem ... |
| 06:31.20 | michal_ | i would have though html could handle tables |
| 06:31.36 | bob2 | chance2105: I mean, do you have CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT_ON_BOOT or whatever it is set? |
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| 06:31.52 | chance2105 | bob2: CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y .. yeup |
| 06:32.16 | bob2 | I dunno then |
| 06:32.22 | bob2 | #debian-boot might be able to help |
| 06:32.23 | jm_ | hmm I have to ask something about two linksys switches on those forums |
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| 06:32.50 | chance2105 | bob2: yeah .. something is telling me this is a peculiarity with the first-boot process into a freshly installed filesystem. |
| 06:33.04 | chance2105 | /etc/fstab is in fact setup correctly |
| 06:33.05 | michal_ | i won't buy one until I KNOW it can handle 10mb/s (or close to it) WAN to LAN and doing NAT at the same time |
| 06:33.25 | bob2 | just buy a small pc |
| 06:33.32 | chance2105 | I'm kinda stuck -- I can't get the debian binary kernel to go due to the panic. |
| 06:33.33 | michal_ | by 10mb I actually mean 100mbit/s |
| 06:33.54 | michal_ | so perhaps that's where the confusion has come from :) |
| 06:34.10 | bob2 | if you actually want to do complex routing with 100mbit/s, you're going to need a proper router |
| 06:34.18 | bob2 | no crappy POS d-link thing will handle that |
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| 06:34.40 | michal_ | don't any of the routers have more powerful processors that can handle it? |
| 06:34.53 | michal_ | and i don't mean $600 routers |
| 06:34.59 | jm_ | not the ones that cost $100 |
| 06:35.01 | Sunblade | shingouz: awake ? |
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| 06:36.06 | chance2105 | michal_: Yes. Buy a sparcstation 20 from ebay for #30. :) |
| 06:36.29 | bob2 | or a mini-itx for $300 |
| 06:36.33 | Guerin | how much is a #? |
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| 06:36.49 | Sunblade | shingouz: let me know when you're awake, I wonder if you're still using that alsa patch ;) |
| 06:37.02 | Guerin | i mean, as far as I know, hash is about $1000 per ounce |
| 06:37.17 | bob2 | wow |
| 06:37.17 | Guerin | i'm not sure a sparcstation 20 is worth that |
| 06:37.19 | bob2 | korea's expensive |
| 06:37.24 | Guerin | hash |
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| 06:37.29 | Guerin | not weed |
| 06:37.38 | Guerin | and that's not korean prices, that's NZ |
| 06:37.45 | bob2 | oh, true |
| 06:37.52 | chance2105 | Ok fine -- buy a dualie Ultra 2 for $80 |
| 06:37.57 | Guerin | korean prices are WAY higher |
| 06:38.24 | chance2105 | no harddrive .. have the fricker netboot |
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| 06:39.13 | Guerin | anyway, as you were |
| 06:39.16 | jm_ | but you'll need to buy additional cards to work as a router, I'd say PC is a much better choice |
| 06:39.20 | michal_ | hmm.. sparcstation? |
| 06:39.32 | michal_ | i want something SMALL |
| 06:39.37 | toresbe | the ultra 2's are very sexy |
| 06:39.39 | bob2 | if you can get one of those sungem 4-way ethernet cards, you're all set |
| 06:39.49 | toresbe | michal_: some sparcstations are very small! |
| 06:39.51 | michal_ | bob2: do you know anything about those? |
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| 06:39.57 | toresbe | michal_: they are really slow, too |
| 06:40.06 | WhiteRabbit | michal_, http://www.soekris.com/ & http://envis-tech.com/hotbrick.html |
| 06:40.14 | jm_ | then buy netras, they're thin and rack mountable |
| 06:40.16 | toresbe | michal_: everything below Ultra 1 is... a terminal. |
| 06:40.28 | toresbe | jm_: and Really Fucking Expensive (tm) :) |
| 06:40.31 | cafuego | Stupid gurein, everyone knows # is £1 |
| 06:40.39 | jm_ | toresbe: we bought them uses, they were very cheap |
| 06:40.45 | toresbe | jm_: ah |
| 06:40.49 | bob2 | michal_: the 4-way net cards? |
| 06:40.51 | michal_ | please not that i want to do NAT at 100mbit :P |
| 06:40.59 | bob2 | "note" |
| 06:41.06 | michal_ | bob2: yes.. i've found very little info on the ones i have investigated |
| 06:41.11 | michal_ | yes.. note |
| 06:41.15 | cafuego | michal_: What you want is not compatible with what hardware can do. please call back in 5 years. |
| 06:41.50 | michal_ | cafuego: well mwislon was just telling me earlier that my airport extreme should be able to do it and thta he has 3 that can :) |
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| 06:42.36 | michal_ | of course i think he though i was talking about 10mbit when i said 10mb and meant megabyte |
| 06:42.41 | cafuego | michal_: Your airport extreme is never going to transfer 10MB/sec (100Mbit) since the protocol only does 54mbit tops. |
| 06:42.56 | michal_ | cafuego: i'm not talking about the wireless |
| 06:43.06 | michal_ | cafuego: wired WAN port to wired LAN port |
| 06:43.44 | michal_ | cafuego: for me it maxes out around 2megabytes/second and also manages to drop ALL other requests to it while it's doing that |
| 06:43.52 | w00dst0ck | hello everyone |
| 06:43.59 | codemarauder | w00dst0ck, hello |
| 06:44.07 | cafuego | michal_: Sound like it's running half duplex. What is plugged in at the other end? |
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| 06:44.33 | zeeeeee | hi all, is it a convention that *-dev packages are source code? |
| 06:44.36 | michal_ | cafuego: no it's running full duplex.. if i turn off NAT it manages almost 9negabytes/second.. |
| 06:44.42 | zeeeeee | or does -dev mean libraries/headers only? |
| 06:44.47 | bob2 | zeeeeee: the latter |
| 06:44.49 | mwilson | Is he STILL going on about this? |
| 06:44.54 | michal_ | cafuego: so it's the NAT that kills the processor |
| 06:45.05 | zeeeeee | bob2: oh, -src are for the source? |
| 06:45.21 | michal_ | hight speed NAT seems cpu intensive |
| 06:45.25 | bob2 | zeeeeee: no |
| 06:45.32 | bob2 | zeeeeee: source packages are in a different namespace |
| 06:45.34 | mwilson | Please note that not once did I say anything about 100 mb, no matter what he thinks. |
| 06:45.38 | zeeeeee | bob2: ahh, ok |
| 06:45.43 | zeeeeee | thanks |
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| 06:46.09 | w00dst0ck | would anyone here happen to know what package contains the mouse cursor theme that comes with gnome? |
| 06:46.18 | w00dst0ck | the white jimmac one. |
| 06:46.53 | w00dst0ck | I had it not to long ago, but now its the default black one... |
| 06:46.56 | cafuego | michal_: Of course it is. All packets need to be compared to a table and rerouted accordingly. |
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| 06:47.21 | michal_ | mwislon: yes you did. just because you didn't know that 10mb/s means 10megabytes/second is no excuse |
| 06:47.55 | michal_ | cafuego: well i tried setting the machine to the "default host" (dmz sort of thing) and that didn't lower the cpu usage.. maybe just a poor implementation |
| 06:48.10 | zeeble | since when is mbps Bytes? |
| 06:48.15 | w00dst0ck | ah nevermind. Found it. It's part of the industrial theme :) |
| 06:48.36 | michal_ | zeeble: since mb/s is a common way for people to say megabytes/secoond |
| 06:48.40 | michal_ | even if it is wrong |
| 06:48.44 | zeeble | michal_: no. it is not. |
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| 06:49.08 | michal_ | is here |
| 06:49.14 | michal_ | anyway.. thanks for the help and later |
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| 06:50.50 | mwilson | I REALLY need to have him on permanent ignore. |
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| 06:52.47 | aljosa | anybody using smartlink modem with 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 06:53.31 | aljosa | slmodem driver will not compile with 2.6.10 kernel |
| 06:53.43 | bob2 | please don't ask ubuntu questions in here |
| 06:54.36 | aljosa | so its ubuntu problem, thanks... |
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| 06:54.49 | bob2 | it's a problem with the kernel image on ubuntu |
| 06:55.09 | bob2 | it's called linux-image-blah, slmodem expects it to be kernel-image |
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| 06:56.38 | aljosa | bob2: package name is related with compilation of sl-modem driver? |
| 06:56.47 | bob2 | no |
| 06:56.51 | bob2 | well, yes |
| 06:56.59 | JCarroll | god damn spammers. Anyway, does anyone know why /etc/security/limits.conf is NOT observed for a console login? if I login as luser on the console, ulimit -a reports max user procs at 8192 instead of the supposed 30. |
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| 06:57.28 | deadcat | my ibook finally crashed after 50 days. )=.. damn usb wireless card did something while low battery trying to sleep the thing. |
| 06:57.53 | mwilson | USB wireless on an iBook? Why? |
| 06:58.04 | deadcat | mwilson: cant afford the real airport |
| 06:58.12 | chance2105 | bob2: heey .. I got it to work. |
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| 06:58.41 | chance2105 | bob2: I included tmpfs in my fstab, and compiled into the kernel shmfs/tmpfs |
| 06:58.42 | mwilson | Don't tell me you're using that DLink... thing. |
| 06:58.53 | bob2 | chance2105: yeah, you'll need that |
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| 06:59.25 | deadcat | mwilson: orinoco usb. it got me to the firmware prompt i think but since i was out of juice. it hung. |
| 06:59.25 | chance2105 | :) |
| 06:59.38 | mwilson | Firmwre prompt? |
| 06:59.44 | rixth_ | !ops please remove Guest66793 for msging porn linkl |
| 06:59.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove Guest66793 for msging porn linkl |
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| 06:59.51 | mwilson | And yes, I know what OF is... what does it have to do with this? |
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| 07:01.00 | rixth_ | I want to learn a programming language (no previous expreince) what would be a good on to start off with? I'd prefer programming to scripting |
| 07:01.02 | chance2105 | Ok .. now the boot process is to the point where cron gets started, and I get this: "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" .. |
| 07:01.23 | deadcat | mwilson: when ever something bad happens. it brings me to that prompt. usually deadly. this time i got to the prompt. sometimes i can type quit but this time i have no bat life. cant do shit... damn can i fake my uptime (= |
| 07:01.28 | rixth_ | bob2, I had a look at Python, but I can't seem to find any good starting tutorials |
| 07:01.32 | karsten | Where might I get a list of world timezones? |
| 07:01.45 | mwilson | deadcat: You boot to OF each time you turn it on? Why? |
| 07:01.46 | chance2105 | followed now by "Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" .. "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" .. no login in sight |
| 07:02.10 | bob2 | rixth_: http://www.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide |
| 07:02.14 | deadcat | mwilson: no. when my kernel panic. it goes to OF. |
| 07:02.21 | renegad3 | !squirrelmail |
| 07:02.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, squirrelmail is at http://www.squirrelmail.org, or a very nice webmail application, written in PHP |
| 07:02.32 | mwilson | Why is it panicing? |
| 07:02.37 | chance2105 | Waait .. |
| 07:02.40 | zeeble | karsten: i have a tz map . you can print it out. |
| 07:02.50 | jm_ | JCarroll: you need to enable the PAM limits module |
| 07:03.02 | mwilson | zeeble: Share! |
| 07:03.14 | karsten | zeeble: Heh. |
| 07:03.23 | JCarroll | jm_: different from the same pam limits module utilized by sshd login? |
| 07:03.35 | zeeble | karsten: mwilson well, download from http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/world_tzones.html |
| 07:03.36 | karsten | timezones -- nothing like /usr/share/misc/inter.phone.gz for TZ? |
| 07:03.38 | deadcat | mwilson: wireless usb. the batt life was low so it auto sleep, but it panic while trying to sleep or something. |
| 07:03.38 | zeeble | its there. |
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| 07:03.56 | rixth_ | bob2, then going to http://www.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers but not many of the tutorials are very expansive |
| 07:04.06 | jm_ | JCarroll: no it's the same, just make sure it's enabled in the files that are used when you login on console (I'd say /etc/pam.d/login) |
| 07:04.19 | deadcat | is there a way to fake my uptime? (= |
| 07:04.25 | karsten | zeeble: Specifications in US/Pacific / AU/Sydney, etc, format is preferred. |
| 07:04.29 | mwilson | oooh, cool. |
| 07:04.29 | JCarroll | jm_: ok, looking. I'm surprised this was not the default, I could swear it was. thanks, looking. |
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| 07:04.37 | ravenbird | ROOOOT has landed! |
| 07:04.44 | mwilson | deadcat: Why bother? |
| 07:04.51 | bob2 | rixth_: I'd just read the tutorial, then play around a bit |
| 07:04.57 | deadcat | mwilson: 19hour seems lame. |
| 07:05.10 | deadcat | i mean 9 hours |
| 07:05.18 | mwilson | What would seem lame is running around TELLING people what your uptime is. |
| 07:05.20 | Nick_d | hi deadcat, |
| 07:05.28 | JCarroll | jm_: ahh yes, session required pam_limits.so was commented (oddly enough). |
| 07:05.31 | deadcat | Nick_d: what up. |
| 07:05.41 | deadcat | mwilson: (=... i do brag about the uptime. hehehe |
| 07:05.47 | zeeble | karsten: yeah, its a us mil thing. has the stuff you need. UTC offsets. |
| 07:05.50 | Nick_d | nothing,just say hello to you:) |
| 07:06.06 | karsten | zeeble: I've got 'date'. I just need to know what to feed it. |
| 07:06.15 | deadcat | Nick_d: hehe |
| 07:06.21 | JCarroll | jm_: so the question is, which other places is this not enabled by default? :) |
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| 07:06.27 | Coke | deadcat: what is the uptime then? |
| 07:06.31 | mwilson | deadcat: 23:06:23 up 77 days, 7:20, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 |
| 07:06.35 | mwilson | Happy, now? |
| 07:06.58 | zeeble | ah |
| 07:06.59 | deadcat | Coke: was 50days. not its 9hr |
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| 07:07.09 | Coke | deadcat: but 50 days is nothing |
| 07:07.16 | deadcat | mwilson: which box? |
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| 07:07.22 | hiipii | can i update glibc2.2.5 to 2.3.x using apt? |
| 07:07.22 | deadcat | Coke: ibook |
| 07:07.28 | Coke | deadcat: my moms box had an uptime > year |
| 07:07.31 | mwilson | deadcat: One of the fileservers in the house. |
| 07:07.34 | mwilson | hiipii: No. |
| 07:07.49 | deadcat | mwilson: but this is laptop though. thats the thing. |
| 07:07.59 | JCarroll | jm_: ah su and cron, updated those as well. thanks for the direction, I just assumed they were enabled there by default. should have just looked in the first place. |
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| 07:08.32 | mwilson | deadcat: The only time uptime matters is when the box isn't. |
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| 07:09.30 | JCarroll | jm_: thanks again |
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| 07:12.15 | kreg | trying to sniff myself going to goole. anything wrong with this command? janeway:~# tethereal -i eth0 host 192.168.0.1 |
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| 07:13.34 | mwilson | grrr, someone needs to make a decision about carrying Dr Who in the US.. |
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| 07:15.12 | cafuego | mwilson: Many ftp sites already do ;-) |
| 07:15.27 | mindframe | this idiot messaged me on join: (01:14:51) (yEsiL) http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:15.29 | mindframe | ban please |
| 07:15.56 | cafuego | !ops onjoin spammer: yEsiL |
| 07:15.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: onjoin spammer: yEsiL |
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| 07:16.47 | cafuego | Always the same damn pronsite too. Persistent little fucker. |
| 07:16.50 | badblody | how can i download a stream from a rtsp server? |
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| 07:17.45 | deadcat | Coke: is your mom's box a laptop? |
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| 07:17.51 | floormade3 | hi |
| 07:17.53 | chance2105 | Is there a good guide that has all the necessary kernel options that Debian expects? |
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| 07:18.09 | cafuego | chance2105: eh? |
| 07:18.16 | bob2 | chance2105: just use a debian kernel |
| 07:18.21 | cafuego | chance2105: The precompiled kernels have all the options debian expects, |
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| 07:18.38 | chance2105 | bob2: .. I'm the guy with the panic'ing deiban binary install kernel. |
| 07:18.39 | cat | feels good to be back with debian |
| 07:18.42 | wolf | can someone help me get my x server to work? |
| 07:18.48 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 07:18.49 | dpkg | from memory, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:18.50 | cat | wolf: what's wrong with it? |
| 07:18.54 | wolf | it keeps saying "fatal error no screens found" |
| 07:18.54 | bob2 | chance2105: have you reported this yet? |
| 07:18.56 | qwertz | Hi! Is there any linux mp3-server that is able to feed the Windows Media Player? (WMP seems not to support icecast) |
| 07:18.59 | cafuego | dpkg: you're alive! |
| 07:19.00 | cat | wolf: xorg? |
| 07:19.04 | cat | or Xfree? |
| 07:19.06 | streuner_ | chance2105: usually you don't need them, but read kerneloptions.txt in the docs of kernel-source |
| 07:19.08 | wolf | yes |
| 07:19.10 | wolf | xfree |
| 07:19.18 | cat | !tell wolf about set up x |
| 07:19.23 | cat | read that |
| 07:19.34 | floormade3 | how do i put kernel source after debian installation has complete? |
| 07:19.43 | bob2 | floormade3: why? |
| 07:19.48 | mwilson | wolf: And it says things in the log that are the actual error(s). |
| 07:19.54 | chance2105 | bob2: Nope, not yet. I don't even know where to file debian bugs .. bugs.debian.org? |
| 07:19.57 | floormade3 | i need it to install some modules |
| 07:20.02 | cat | chance2105: where else? |
| 07:20.03 | bob2 | chance2105: right |
| 07:20.04 | streuner_ | !bts |
| 07:20.04 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:20.06 | bob2 | floormade3: for example? |
| 07:20.12 | bob2 | chance2105: but #debian-boot will know more |
| 07:20.12 | wolf | ok |
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| 07:20.20 | floormade3 | installing the nvidia driver |
| 07:20.23 | chance2105 | bob2: ATM, I'm just frustrated that I can't get to the second stage of the install. |
| 07:20.32 | cat | floormade3: apt-get install modconf |
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| 07:20.48 | chance2105 | bob2: Booting into Knoppix, recompiling a kernel on a Celery box ain't my ideal evening |
| 07:20.49 | mindframe | how do i mask my host on this network? |
| 07:20.58 | cat | mindframe: /etc/hostname |
| 07:21.05 | floormade3 | i never head of modconf, but i'll check it out, thanks |
| 07:21.06 | cat | hostname or host? |
| 07:21.09 | deadcat | is it possible to fake the uptime or not? |
| 07:21.17 | cat | !tell floormade3 about modconf |
| 07:21.32 | cat | deadcat: why not (: |
| 07:21.39 | deadcat | cat: how (= |
| 07:21.41 | floormade3 | does modconf work with 2.6? |
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| 07:21.46 | cat | floormade3: yeap |
| 07:21.48 | cat | big time |
| 07:21.55 | bob2 | floormade3: you don't need to compile the kernel for that |
| 07:21.56 | streuner_ | floormade3: why do you ask? |
| 07:21.57 | cat | deadcat: let me installed debian and then we talked about that , |
| 07:21.59 | bob2 | floormade3: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 07:21.59 | jm_ | deadcat: cat /proc/uptime |
| 07:22.14 | deadcat | jm_: > doesnt seem to work |
| 07:22.36 | jm_ | deadcat: I am just saying that's the file where uptime info is stored (amongst other things) |
| 07:22.36 | deadcat | cat: either know it or not. dont need to install an OS to do little thing |
| 07:22.45 | cat | yeah, hold up |
| 07:22.50 | deadcat | jm_: ya. but it wont let me write to |
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| 07:22.58 | jm_ | deadcat: of course not ;) |
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| 07:23.27 | chance2105 | so overview: I need /dev file support, with it mounted automatically at boot. tmpfs/shmfs, with an fstab entry. When I booted last time, getty wasn't connecting to the console for some reason |
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| 07:23.49 | deadcat | jm_: hehe |
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| 07:24.29 | chance2105 | I have no knowledge of the debian install process, but I have a feeling a lot of this stuff .. I'm probably setting stuff up that's automatically setup if the debian-binary kernel works. |
| 07:24.41 | deadcat | why is OO.org so damn big? i just want the word thing. |
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| 07:25.02 | bob2 | 1when I said "#debian-boot" I meant "the people who write the installer will know a lot more than we will" |
| 07:25.11 | mindframe | cat: how do i make my hostmask appear as ident@mindframe.user ? |
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| 07:25.20 | chance2105 | bob2: :) understood |
| 07:25.21 | cat | mindframe: check on /etc/hostname |
| 07:25.23 | deadcat | mindframe: hostmask? |
| 07:25.30 | cat | oh |
| 07:25.31 | zeeble | haha |
| 07:25.31 | mindframe | in irc |
| 07:25.33 | mindframe | ehe |
| 07:25.36 | cat | go to #freenode |
| 07:25.36 | bob2 | mindframe: you can't |
| 07:25.42 | bob2 | oh |
| 07:25.46 | cat | (: |
| 07:25.51 | bob2 | you get a cloak from the freenode people |
| 07:25.54 | cat | you need to link two nicks though |
| 07:26.25 | cat | i'm gonna go to the stored tomorrow and make me a debian t-shirt |
| 07:26.37 | deadcat | cat: how it look like? |
| 07:26.59 | cat | is going to be Nice |
| 07:27.01 | deadcat | cat: i only paid $10 for my debian/rules tshirt at the linux world |
| 07:27.05 | deadcat | cat: got pic? |
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| 07:27.21 | cat | tomorro when i go to the mall i'm gonna take pictures with it (: |
| 07:27.31 | deadcat | ah |
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| 07:27.33 | cat | and all of my Linux books also |
| 07:27.39 | deadcat | so you have no plan (= |
| 07:27.57 | cat | i'm just checking on how can i do the t-shirt |
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| 07:28.26 | cat | put the sign of the debian and the back www.debian.org/doc |
| 07:28.27 | cat | ;P |
| 07:28.41 | jm_ | deadcat: http://www.physik.tu-cottbus.de/~george/unix/uptime.html |
| 07:28.48 | deadcat | cat: back should be "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "debian/rules" |
| 07:28.59 | jm_ | deadcat: but that's for 2.2 and gives you the idea what it requires |
| 07:29.00 | cat | yeah, not a bad idea |
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| 07:29.18 | deadcat | jm_: cook. (= |
| 07:29.19 | cat | and but deadcat ownz me |
| 07:29.44 | deadcat | cat: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/IMG_0045.JPG |
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| 07:29.56 | cat | oh i saw those pictures already, |
| 07:30.01 | deadcat | o |
| 07:30.06 | deadcat | $10 aint bad |
| 07:30.15 | cat | yeah not bad at allllll |
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| 07:31.23 | wolf | ok I think I see the problem with x |
| 07:31.29 | torpet | has somebody of you a problem with the VesaFB and the fglrxdrivers in combination with software suspend 2? |
| 07:31.32 | wolf | i dont know the bus id for my video card |
| 07:31.35 | mike | ok, in which package is the kpkg utility? |
| 07:31.49 | jm_ | !tell mike -about search |
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| 07:31.56 | cat | wolf: then do what i told you to do |
| 07:32.03 | wolf | I did |
| 07:32.15 | cat | it will autodect the video card |
| 07:32.16 | jm_ | wolf: read the screen shown before the busid question ... |
| 07:32.35 | deadcat | whos 203.166.44.204 running windows? |
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| 07:32.48 | mike | its not listed |
| 07:32.52 | Hybridized_ | me, from a work computer debhelper |
| 07:32.54 | Hybridized_ | deadcat |
| 07:33.16 | deadcat | Hybridized_: ok.. if its work computer. else i would bitch slap you (= |
| 07:33.26 | Hybridized_ | dw |
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| 07:33.35 | Hybridized_ | I haaate, windows |
| 07:33.37 | Hybridized_ | :) |
| 07:33.40 | cat | who doesn't? |
| 07:33.47 | Hybridized_ | true :) |
| 07:33.49 | deadcat | i dont |
| 07:33.51 | drpphil | I like to look out htem every once and awhile |
| 07:33.56 | Hybridized_ | haha |
| 07:34.01 | drpphil | don't hate windows |
| 07:34.02 | deadcat | only hate it when i use it |
| 07:34.05 | Hybridized_ | I have no choice for what im running on this.. |
| 07:34.09 | drpphil | the outside is your friend |
| 07:34.12 | Hybridized_ | thus, windows is on it.. |
| 07:34.13 | cat | i hate windows because it's so crapy that it doesn't detect my Sis vga video card |
| 07:34.19 | Hybridized_ | heh |
| 07:34.37 | cat | and linux does best |
| 07:34.42 | Hybridized_ | indeed. |
| 07:34.52 | torpet | linux owns your box |
| 07:34.58 | drpphil | windows has it's purposes |
| 07:34.59 | cat | naw i own linux |
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| 07:35.27 | torpet | ^^ |
| 07:35.36 | torpet | you are the owner |
| 07:35.45 | chance2105 | yup windows: just when you thought you credit card info was safe at the online shoe store .... |
| 07:35.55 | Hybridized_ | ahah |
| 07:36.10 | cat | everyeveryone is owner of Linux |
| 07:36.26 | torpet | and i never knew because i my bills were always so high |
| 07:36.28 | cat | everyone do work on linux by fixing bugs, patches, reporting bugs etc etc |
| 07:36.29 | streuner_ | cat: dream on |
| 07:36.42 | deadcat | cat: i dont |
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| 07:36.51 | cat | me either ha |
| 07:36.53 | deadcat | i use it cus i am lazy |
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| 07:37.02 | cat | linux for lazY? |
| 07:37.08 | torpet | ? |
| 07:37.14 | torpet | tell us more |
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| 07:37.42 | chance2105 | I work for a bank. The rash of credit card leaks recents is retarded (IMHO). How many of those outfits were running on an NT kernel ... |
| 07:38.00 | bob2 | it's trivial to get credit card numbers, tho |
| 07:38.03 | deadcat | torpet: apt-get upgrade rather than download 3 cds. burn, upgrade/reinstall |
| 07:38.04 | bob2 | just work in a store |
| 07:38.09 | bob2 | or dumpster dive |
| 07:38.23 | jm_ | yeah, it's not like you couldn't get them before |
| 07:38.34 | torpet | but it's not your problem.... if they like to use net |
| 07:38.42 | torpet | NT |
| 07:38.47 | torpet | if they like to use NET |
| 07:38.49 | torpet | NT |
| 07:38.55 | chance2105 | Yes. But knowingly being hacked when a computer is the center of sensitive information -- CC info, expiry dates, what have you -- that's just stupid. |
| 07:39.09 | torpet | yes it is of course |
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| 07:39.25 | torpet | the best way is to do everything over SSL |
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| 07:39.43 | bob2 | that doesn't help when the machine on the other end is run by monkeys |
| 07:39.45 | torpet | and only on linux boxen |
| 07:39.49 | bob2 | who don't know how to keep things secure |
| 07:40.06 | torpet | bob2: why not, the client has to use SSL too |
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| 07:40.24 | Play_ | http://www.playzero.com |
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| 07:40.31 | cat | oh boy |
| 07:40.37 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 07:40.38 | chance2105 | ooo kernel done .. last kernel, I'm out for the night after this |
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| 07:41.11 | sussudio | hm turkey. |
| 07:41.26 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 07:41.34 | MobyTurbo | bob2: the spam bots are out in force tonight. |
| 07:41.34 | cat | bob2: where ya from? |
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| 07:41.40 | LordKahless | i just installed debian on a lappy hd then put it in the laptop, but i get an error on boot about vesafb |
| 07:41.42 | LordKahless | any way to fix it? |
| 07:41.46 | bob2 | pity we can't use tr.rbl.cluecentral.net on the ircd |
| 07:41.52 | bob2 | cat: Australia |
| 07:41.54 | deadcat | cat: bob2 is .au |
| 07:42.02 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: hm, yeah |
| 07:42.03 | cat | oh nice placed over there |
| 07:42.06 | bob2 | the past few days have not been good |
| 07:42.11 | bob2 | cat: not for bandwidth it's not ;) |
| 07:42.18 | Hybridized_ | im from Au :) |
| 07:42.19 | Hybridized_ | wee |
| 07:42.19 | cat | 56k ? |
| 07:42.30 | Hybridized_ | it's not that bad bob2.. |
| 07:42.32 | Hybridized_ | depends where you are |
| 07:42.33 | torpet | i am from Austria... |
| 07:42.34 | bob2 | up until september last year |
| 07:42.41 | directhex | pfft. .au is full o' convicts |
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| 07:42.46 | Hybridized_ | lol... |
| 07:42.48 | Hybridized_ | not quite |
| 07:42.51 | cat | how much does cable cost over there? |
| 07:42.54 | LordKahless | i get "/sbin/init: 426 cannot open dev/console: no such file" |
| 07:43.03 | LordKahless | and "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 07:43.06 | bob2 | cat: you can get cable internet in about 1% of the land area |
| 07:43.07 | deadcat | directhex: not anymore... |
| 07:43.08 | Hybridized_ | cable.. |
| 07:43.09 | debiand00d | LordKahless: try putting "vesafb" in the grub kernel commands at the end of the that line |
| 07:43.11 | Hybridized_ | not alot |
| 07:43.13 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:43.19 | Hybridized_ | you can get |
| 07:43.25 | Hybridized_ | 8mb/1mb DSL for 50 AUD |
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| 07:43.32 | LordKahless | ill give it a try |
| 07:43.36 | bob2 | cat: only a very few suburbs in 3 big cities has cable |
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| 07:43.38 | Hybridized_ | roughly 60-70 USD |
| 07:43.44 | cat | oh |
| 07:43.49 | bob2 | Hybridized_: with fascist bandwidth caps, and only in a very small number of places |
| 07:43.53 | cat | bob2: what connection do you have then 56k? |
| 07:43.57 | idontknowthepowe | is there a debate channel? |
| 07:44.01 | bob2 | cat: 1.5mbit/s dsl |
| 07:44.01 | debiand00d | LordKahless: do you know how to edit grub menu.lst on boot up? |
| 07:44.03 | bob2 | idontknowthepowe: #pointless |
| 07:44.06 | deadcat | idontknowthepowe: #debate |
| 07:44.06 | Hybridized_ | but over the bandwidth topic.. |
| 07:44.12 | idontknowthepowe | deadcat: no one there |
| 07:44.19 | LordKahless | yes |
| 07:44.22 | deadcat | idontknowthepowe: what bob2 said then |
| 07:44.24 | LordKahless | didnt work though |
| 07:44.26 | idontknowthepowe | ditto. |
| 07:44.31 | foureyes779_ | heh |
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| 07:44.44 | LordKahless | well i get a few errors actually |
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| 07:44.46 | MobyTurbo | idontknowthepowe: try another network then |
| 07:44.56 | idontknowthepowe | ideas? |
| 07:44.59 | LordKahless | pivot_root: no suck file or directory |
| 07:45.08 | LordKahless | then the others i posed a sec ago |
| 07:45.19 | directhex | quakenet is the home for important philosophical debates |
| 07:45.32 | idontknowthepowe | you got to be kidding.. |
| 07:45.33 | directhex | like "which was better, counterstrike beta 6, or counterstrike 1.2" |
| 07:45.40 | idontknowthepowe | hahaha. |
| 07:45.47 | LordKahless | any ideas? |
| 07:45.50 | deadcat | directhex: HAHAHAH |
| 07:45.54 | LordKahless | lol |
| 07:45.58 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: check out your root= |
| 07:46.16 | idontknowthepowe | directhex seriously though, I need some input |
| 07:46.18 | LordKahless | alright |
| 07:46.24 | directhex | #politics |
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| 07:46.52 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: Or you could create or necessary device nodes by hand = null, console ;) |
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| 07:47.05 | LordKahless | well heres another thing, i installed it via vmware on a usb enclosure |
| 07:47.05 | wolf | im afraid that program didn't detect the busid of my video card |
| 07:47.15 | LordKahless | and it lists sda1 becuse it mounts a usb hd as scsi |
| 07:47.17 | cat | then you'r video card sux |
| 07:47.19 | LordKahless | i change it to hda1 |
| 07:47.22 | hiipii | what is the glibc package called? |
| 07:47.23 | directhex | wolf, so lspci -X, and enter it yourself |
| 07:47.25 | cat | which video card is it? |
| 07:47.33 | bob2 | wolf: you don't need a busid |
| 07:47.36 | bob2 | hiipii: libc6 |
| 07:47.37 | cat | libc6 ? |
| 07:47.41 | wolf | its an s3 pro savage |
| 07:47.43 | LordKahless | could that have something to do with it? |
| 07:47.43 | bob2 | hiipii: do not attempt to upgrade or remove it |
| 07:47.49 | debiand00d | LordKahless: leave the kernel file in the "kernel line and add "acpi=off" and "vesafb" to the end of the line |
| 07:48.06 | hiipii | how can i get 2.3.x installed? |
| 07:48.06 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: yes it could ;) |
| 07:48.16 | chance2105 | What would cause /dev/tty1 to not be there? Just not ./MAKEDEV'ed? |
| 07:48.33 | LordKahless | no luck debiand00d |
| 07:48.35 | bob2 | hiipii: you don't |
| 07:48.36 | directhex | hiipii, by not using debian 3.0 or less? |
| 07:48.38 | LordKahless | heh, any way i can fix it? |
| 07:48.38 | wolf | wow lspci -x put out a lot of output |
| 07:48.41 | debiand00d | chance, wrong driver |
| 07:48.42 | bob2 | hiipii: first, you explain what you're trying to do |
| 07:48.49 | LordKahless | it wont let me mount a usb hd as ide :/ |
| 07:48.56 | directhex | wolf, perhaps, but i said X not x |
| 07:49.00 | jm_ | LordKahless: well of course it won't |
| 07:49.07 | wolf | that said invalid switch |
| 07:49.09 | hiipii | trying to run counterstrike source server and im having problems and read that its because of outdated glibc |
| 07:49.15 | LordKahless | hehe |
| 07:49.18 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:49.24 | bob2 | it's always counter strike people |
| 07:49.27 | directhex | oh, for fucks sake, it's fucking debian 3.0 (woody) isn't it |
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| 07:49.33 | LordKahless | i have no other way to get debian on this laptop unfortionatly |
| 07:49.36 | bob2 | hiipii: run it on sarge |
| 07:49.36 | LordKahless | no floppy or cdrom |
| 07:49.38 | hiipii | i thought woody was 3.1 |
| 07:49.39 | LordKahless | no pxeboot |
| 07:49.48 | bob2 | hiipii: no, it's 3.0 |
| 07:49.53 | hiipii | well dont hurt me =/ |
| 07:50.02 | hiipii | and thanks for help heh |
| 07:50.10 | bob2 | it's just amusing |
| 07:50.12 | debiand00d | LordKahless: no cd drive? |
| 07:50.14 | bob2 | upgrade to 3.1 and it'll work |
| 07:50.21 | bob2 | but note 3.1 (sarge) isn't released yet |
| 07:50.21 | hiipii | sarge=3.1? |
| 07:50.24 | LordKahless | nope |
| 07:50.28 | directhex | same goes for lspci -X >_< |
| 07:50.30 | hiipii | i thought sarge was 3.2 |
| 07:50.38 | hiipii | someone told me that i think maybe |
| 07:50.52 | debiand00d | LordKahless: usb boot capability? |
| 07:51.03 | LordKahless | nope |
| 07:51.22 | debiand00d | LordKahless: how are you doing it then? |
| 07:51.31 | hiipii | on a seperate note anyone know what driver for x to use with onboard sis video? |
| 07:51.32 | LordKahless | i remove the hd |
| 07:51.32 | hiipii | if any |
| 07:51.37 | LordKahless | put it into a usb enclosure |
| 07:51.39 | LordKahless | on this box |
| 07:51.43 | LordKahless | and use vmware to install the os |
| 07:51.54 | cat | i never understood vmware |
| 07:52.01 | LordKahless | i got win98 on it, but i'd rather have linux on it |
| 07:52.02 | debiand00d | LordKahless: that won't work, usually |
| 07:52.05 | sep | LordKahless: just use debbootstrap on the usbharddrive that's what i use allways |
| 07:52.29 | LordKahless | the usb hd is actually the internal hd |
| 07:52.39 | LordKahless | i just put it in an enclosure to install the os via vmware |
| 07:52.44 | debiand00d | yeah, but unless there is usb bios support it won't work |
| 07:52.51 | LordKahless | hehe |
| 07:52.52 | sep | LordKahless: i understand that, bun instead of vmware you use debootstrap |
| 07:52.59 | directhex | hiipii, depends on the onboard sis video. only VESA will work if said onboard sis video dates from after jan 2002 |
| 07:53.08 | directhex | hiipii, if you use woody that is |
| 07:53.14 | LordKahless | old notebook |
| 07:53.17 | hiipii | what about sarge? |
| 07:53.18 | LordKahless | how does it work? |
| 07:53.44 | debiand00d | sarge is pretty stable |
| 07:54.06 | debiand00d | I have not been able to make it fail |
| 07:54.29 | directhex | sarge is happy with more modern, recent kit, but is starting to lag behind a bit. don't expect support for video hardware more recent than late 2004 sans vesa or third party driver (fglrx, nvidia-glx) |
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| 07:54.51 | albo | what can i use to burn a bootable cd |
| 07:54.58 | sep | LordKahless: you partition and mkfs and mount the usb drive on a mountpoint in the same way you'd want to have it on your system , then run debootstrap on the mountpoint with the debian mirror you want to use for argument, then you add a bootloadder and you replce the drive into your box |
| 07:55.03 | debiand00d | a cd burner |
| 07:55.22 | hiipii | albo: windows? |
| 07:55.28 | LordKahless | problem with that is that i have to be able to do it from withen windows |
| 07:55.31 | LordKahless | this isnt my comp |
| 07:55.45 | debiand00d | albo, you can use windows or linux |
| 07:55.53 | sep | LordKahless: use a livecd. knoppix/ubunto/anyother |
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| 07:56.09 | rob^ | just upgraded from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6, on boot it stops asking me to add a 'boot=' line to lilo.conf, what is the line I should be adding? |
| 07:56.28 | LordKahless | fuck brb |
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| 07:56.37 | yxa | in inittab, for eg, T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS3, what does the T3:23 means? |
| 07:56.52 | jm_ | yxa: man inittab |
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| 07:57.10 | LordKahless | dont have a livecd handy, and im on dialup atm :( |
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| 07:58.22 | debiand00d | LordKahless: are you on a job? |
| 07:58.59 | LordKahless | im at a relatives house, trying to get linux on this old laptop i got |
| 07:59.03 | LordKahless | brb, windows wants to reboot |
| 07:59.06 | rob^ | I know it used to spit the info about this out when you apt-get a kernel, but I'm using a vanilla kernel (although I didn't get this info when I apt-geted before either) |
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| 08:00.04 | grendal_prime | whos good with php? |
| 08:00.16 | rob^ | can anyone help me? |
| 08:00.26 | grendal_prime | i need to do this...$HTTP_POST_VARS['inventory_type']=strip_tags($HTTP_POST_VARS['inventory_type']); |
| 08:00.28 | sep | #php probably |
| 08:00.29 | grendal_prime | several times.. |
| 08:00.40 | grendal_prime | nobody there right now sep |
| 08:00.40 | sep | grendal_prime: or google |
| 08:00.43 | debiand00d | rob^: I don't use lilo |
| 08:00.52 | grendal_prime | sep looked there several times.. |
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| 08:01.10 | bob2 | "nobody right there"? |
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| 08:01.35 | bob2 | there are 399 people there right now |
| 08:01.52 | mike_ | im having a bit of trouble with SVGATextMode, how can i get it to stay at that screen size when i move to Xwindows and back to the console? |
| 08:02.00 | rob^ | does anyone use lilo? |
| 08:02.09 | mike_ | rob^: use grub |
| 08:02.10 | bob2 | rob^: lots of people |
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| 08:02.13 | bob2 | just ask your question |
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| 08:02.20 | sep | !tell rob^ about ask |
| 08:02.24 | jm_ | mike: that should happen with you having to do anything, unless there's a bug in X driver or so |
| 08:02.25 | debiand00d | mike, you are not supposed to be able to do that |
| 08:02.46 | rob^ | sep, I am just asking... |
| 08:02.48 | mike_ | well, it does |
| 08:02.50 | debiand00d | unless it is a virtual console |
| 08:02.58 | mike_ | no virtual console |
| 08:02.58 | LordKahless | okay so yeah, is ther eany way i could get debian onto this laptop hd from withen windows? |
| 08:03.08 | mike_ | and its really annoying cause i can't see the text that im trying |
| 08:03.11 | mike_ | its off the screen |
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| 08:03.25 | rob^ | just upgraded from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6, on boot it stops asking me to add a 'boot=' line to lilo.conf, what is the line I should be adding? |
| 08:03.29 | bob2 | note that svgatext is basically unused and unsupported nowadays |
| 08:03.31 | Debian_ | hey how come my fonts are so damn big? |
| 08:03.37 | bob2 | even tho it is less annoying than fb |
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| 08:03.41 | mike_ | well, what do i use? |
| 08:03.41 | debiand00d | LordKahless: let me think |
| 08:03.43 | Debian_ | i already removed the xfonts-100dpi |
| 08:03.49 | LordKahless | thanks debiand00d |
| 08:03.59 | mike_ | ** should i use |
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| 08:04.02 | jm_ | hmm on second thought, I don't remember what happens when you switch and X is running - I stopped using stm several years ago |
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| 08:04.11 | LordKahless | is there possibally a way i could bootstrap it from dos or something? |
| 08:04.14 | jm_ | I suppose it drops you into 80x25 mode |
| 08:04.16 | sep | rob^: boot= in lilo.conf is the device you want to have the boot loader on |
| 08:04.19 | mike_ | yeah |
| 08:04.20 | LordKahless | i could get dos onto the hd |
| 08:04.32 | sep | rob^: and i read that out from man lilo.conf... |
| 08:04.33 | mike_ | but everything is off the screen |
| 08:04.40 | jm_ | LordKahless: yes, you can use loadlin to boot Linux kernel and then install Debian, it's in the installation manual |
| 08:04.42 | Debian_ | hey how come my fonts are so damn big? |
| 08:04.47 | mike_ | so how can i make my console smaller? |
| 08:04.55 | jm_ | you can scroll back on console |
| 08:05.02 | mike_ | how? |
| 08:05.06 | rob^ | sep, yes thats what I have, but on boot it asks me to change it, but doesn't tell me what to |
| 08:05.06 | LordKahless | hmm |
| 08:05.07 | jm_ | shift+pageup |
| 08:05.11 | LordKahless | well lets see |
| 08:05.15 | mike_ | i was just using page up |
| 08:05.17 | LordKahless | debian manual time |
| 08:05.17 | mike_ | thanks |
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| 08:05.25 | rob^ | its not had a problem with that boot= setting with a 2.4 kernel |
| 08:05.45 | jm_ | rob^: I dobut kernels says boot= |
| 08:06.05 | mike_ | jm_: so what should** i do? |
| 08:06.17 | erirlar | when im i X-Server and turn off the computer i can't see the output log the only thing i can see is some big colored boxes and then then comuter shuts down, i see the same boxes if i press ctrl+alt+f1. is it something to do with the nvidia driver? |
| 08:06.24 | rob^ | jm_, I'll reboot and write the exact error message down |
| 08:06.26 | jm_ | mike_: maybe have a few beers? not sure what's that related to |
| 08:06.49 | mike_ | jm_: yeh, i wanna make the console smaller somehow |
| 08:06.56 | mike_ | jm_: but how? |
| 08:06.58 | debiand00d | LordKahless: I can't think of any way |
| 08:06.59 | jm_ | mike_: stm or vga= parameter |
| 08:06.59 | rob^ | brb |
| 08:07.20 | mike_ | jm_: that means nothing to me, where is this line located? |
| 08:07.27 | LordKahless | debiand00d if i had dos on the hd could i use loadlin? |
| 08:07.29 | jm_ | mike_: it's a kernel option |
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| 08:07.43 | mike_ | jm_: so i have to recompile the kernel? |
| 08:07.56 | LordKahless | and if so how would i do it, im reading the instalation manual atm but cant find too much about loadlin |
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| 08:08.32 | debiand00d | LordKahless: I'm not sure if that will load the installer |
| 08:08.33 | jm_ | mike_: that depends |
| 08:08.56 | mike_ | jm_: and also, what is the default text size? 80x25? |
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| 08:09.06 | LordKahless | hmm |
| 08:09.07 | mike_ | jm_: i want to remove svgatextmode now |
| 08:09.15 | LordKahless | well because i can get dos on the hd no problem |
| 08:09.15 | jm_ | mike_: yes, 80x25 is default for most people |
| 08:09.15 | debiand00d | LordKahless: you really have to boot into the installer, whether a floppy or whatever |
| 08:09.19 | LordKahless | as i can windows.... |
| 08:09.23 | LordKahless | but im not sure how i'd do that |
| 08:09.40 | LordKahless | is there a way i could... like... copy the debian netinst image from the cd onto a hd partition? |
| 08:10.04 | deadcat | LordKahless: dd |
| 08:10.12 | mike_ | jm_: thanks |
| 08:10.16 | LordKahless | well from withen windows i mean.. . |
| 08:10.34 | LordKahless | and not like an image... like... make it so it boots into the installer from hd |
| 08:10.39 | debiand00d | LordKahless: you can make a debian floppy boot disk, or dl it, and put the cd rom image for the installer on the hdd |
| 08:10.58 | debiand00d | LordKahless: you need to use dd to do that |
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| 08:11.05 | jm_ | there's a section about installing from DOS in the manual "5.4 Booting From a Hard Disk" or "2.2.3. Hard Disk" |
| 08:11.10 | LordKahless | no floppy drive |
| 08:11.35 | jm_ | and 4.5 |
| 08:11.52 | debiand00d | LordKahless: then make a mount point for the hdd image file in /etc/fstab on the floppy |
| 08:12.13 | debiand00d | LordKahless: exactly how old is this lappie |
| 08:12.18 | jm_ | although I just noticed Sarge installer only has docs for boot from Linux |
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| 08:12.38 | jm_ | booting even |
| 08:12.41 | LordKahless | its a pentium 233 |
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| 08:13.03 | LordKahless | very thin though |
| 08:13.17 | LordKahless | why it has no drives |
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| 08:13.44 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 08:13.52 | debiand00d | LordKahless: impossible without drives or pxe boot |
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| 08:14.08 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: Have not used and have not read either thought ;) |
| 08:14.12 | LordKahless | i got freebsd on it earlier, but it doesnt like my nic |
| 08:15.14 | nomad_cz | LordKahless: Of course it might not be what u want ;) |
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| 08:16.15 | LordKahless | hehe |
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| 08:24.34 | blanket | hey al |
| 08:25.26 | blanket | i've currently got two DSL lines that are multilinked using a linux machine. |
| 08:25.43 | blanket | only problem is when i download i can't play games . |
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| 08:25.52 | blanket | this didn't happen before. |
| 08:26.01 | blanket | it only just started to happen cause i reinstalled debian. |
| 08:26.21 | blanket | any idea's as to what i could do to the ppp sessions to make them share/loadbalance so it doesn't affect the rest of my network. |
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| 08:26.36 | LordKahless | heh loadlin is working |
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| 08:27.28 | dejdo | people of the debian channel. I need to use inkscape, fast. As i see bug no. 298517, i need some packages from "experimental". Where can i find this experimental thing? |
| 08:27.29 | blanket | well i can see that it is as both interfaces are reporting traffic. |
| 08:27.40 | blanket | but why am i have issues with latency on game servers etc. |
| 08:27.42 | blanket | when i didn't before ? |
| 08:27.47 | blanket | what could of been changed ? |
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| 08:29.39 | torpet | dejdo: just add them to your sources.lst |
| 08:30.16 | dejdo | torpet: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free ? |
| 08:30.35 | dejdo | torpet: too simple :) |
| 08:30.40 | blanket | anyone had any experience with multilinking ? |
| 08:30.45 | torpet | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
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| 08:30.58 | torpet | dejdo: does it work? |
| 08:31.02 | dejdo | torpet: no. |
| 08:31.05 | torpet | it has to... |
| 08:31.15 | torpet | wait a moment |
| 08:32.02 | torpet | it works perfect for me |
| 08:32.37 | dejdo | hm |
| 08:32.40 | torpet | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 08:32.45 | torpet | works like a charm |
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| 08:33.36 | dejdo | apt-cache show libatk1.0-0 ? Version? |
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| 08:34.29 | torpet | sorry |
| 08:34.36 | torpet | i delete the line 1min ago |
| 08:34.39 | smith | hello, i'd like to execute a command after a dhcp-client got an ip address. i'm using dhcp3-server from sarge. does anyone know how this can be done? |
| 08:34.51 | torpet | if it won't work install the debian package yourself with dpkg |
| 08:35.02 | chealer | dejdo: why not use the testing version? |
| 08:35.22 | dejdo | chealer: testing, aka sarge? in sarge afaik no inkscape. |
| 08:35.29 | chealer | dejdo: yes |
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| 08:36.15 | dejdo | hm |
| 08:36.24 | dejdo | experimental here only link to sid. |
| 08:36.27 | dejdo | bad. |
| 08:36.41 | chealer | how does it "link" to sid? |
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| 08:38.06 | dejdo | chealer: on the ftp server. "experimental" not a directory, but ln -s sid experimental. |
| 08:39.02 | bob2 | experimental is very very different to sid |
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| 08:39.41 | dejdo | bob2: risky? |
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| 08:40.00 | bob2 | do you mean "is using experimental risky?"? |
| 08:40.31 | dejdo | bob2: yes :) sorry :) |
| 08:40.40 | bob2 | you cant use experimental |
| 08:40.46 | bob2 | it only has part of a distribution |
| 08:40.52 | dejdo | yes. |
| 08:41.00 | chealer | dejdo: hum, which server? |
| 08:41.04 | bob2 | stuff in there generally isn't so buggy that you lose data, but there's no point hacking apt to use it by default |
| 08:41.45 | dejdo | chealer: ftp.debian.org |
| 08:42.05 | dejdo | bob2: thanks. At this time i browsing for libatk1. |
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| 08:42.43 | pluto | ZZZzzz |
| 08:42.48 | bob2 | doesn't seem to be in Debian |
| 08:42.49 | chealer | dejdo: how do you tell it's a symlink to sid? |
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| 08:43.26 | chealer | dejdo: is your problem getting libatk or inkscape? |
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| 08:44.28 | dejdo | chealer: inkscape, the inkscape has problem with gtkkmmm, tgkmm has problem with libatk. |
| 08:44.28 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 08:45.08 | dejdo | chealer: i see it in opera as link. But if i go in cmdline, then i think ls -l shows the same. |
| 08:45.33 | chealer | dejdo: what package do you need that's not available out of experimental? |
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| 08:46.27 | chealer | at what page do you see that link? |
| 08:46.35 | yxa | how can i kill this connection? dialup ttyS0 Mar 22 16:19 |
| 08:47.02 | e2e | Hi, when i try to exract a .zip file i get unzip: cannot find zipfile directory in one of *.zip error, h |
| 08:47.32 | nullvoid | I downloaded a package which have debian folder consist some files including rules file. I just patch the src and how can I build a deb from there |
| 08:47.33 | karsten | yxa: PPP connection? |
| 08:47.49 | dejdo | chealer: the package available, at this moment i downloading it from the .de server. |
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| 08:55.06 | estupendocero | Is there a way that I can pipe all of the boot info and messages to a file, or otherwise record them? |
| 08:55.42 | estupendocero | i.e. all the junk that scrolls by when my machine is starting up? |
| 08:58.02 | e2e | estupendocero: /var/log/messages |
| 08:58.02 | PerfDave | estupendocero: dmesg? |
| 08:58.02 | cahoot | estupendocero: man bootlogd |
| 08:58.02 | e2e | estupendocero: This file contains all of the boot messages |
| 08:58.02 | PerfDave | D'oh, it's /etc/default/bootlogd, not /etc/alternatives/bootlogd :/ |
| 08:58.03 | estupendocero | thanks! (you can tell I'm new at this) |
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| 09:00.09 | estupendocero | hmm, no dice on /var/log/messages, I'll check bootlogd |
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| 09:01.44 | estupendocero | looks like I'll have to install it, thanks for all the help! |
| 09:02.05 | PerfDave | estupendocero: Check dmesg first |
| 09:02.22 | PerfDave | estupendocero: Which version of Debian are you running? AFAIK bootlogd is only in Sarge. |
| 09:02.30 | estupendocero | dmesg? will do |
| 09:02.32 | estupendocero | woody |
| 09:03.44 | estupendocero | ah, dmesg looks like exactly what I need |
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| 09:19.07 | streuner_ | yeah, it takes usually some time till the whole people come back... |
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| 09:27.35 | kyrios_ | i have a problem installing debian sarge |
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| 09:28.12 | kyrios_ | my notebook crach when loading yenta_socket module |
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| 09:28.14 | dejdo | kyrios_: yes, the yenta-socket. |
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| 09:28.39 | Shadur | ... Well, that's a creative way to dodge a spam filter, I'll grant them that. |
| 09:28.41 | dejdo | kyrios_: what type of notebook? |
| 09:28.46 | PerfDave | kyrios_: Have you checked the sites on "/msg dpkg laptop" to see if anybody else has had and overcome your problem? |
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| 09:29.14 | kyrios_ | PerfDave: ok |
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| 09:30.19 | Fuwex | After a long time without using Linux, I cannot remember the command to change file permissions. What was it again (All I remember is that it's something with 'mod') |
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| 09:30.43 | torpet | kyrios_chmod |
| 09:30.45 | torpet | chmod |
| 09:30.47 | torpet | *g* |
| 09:30.48 | Skiver | chmod |
| 09:31.05 | Fuwex | ah okay thanks :) |
| 09:31.05 | arturaz | hey. i have this linux kernel source made with make-kpkg. i've just patched it to 2.4.29 and dch -i only changers revision version. how i can change name of the package? |
| 09:31.09 | torpet | kyrios_: i think it's because you have to exclude some I/O Adresses |
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| 09:31.28 | [1]DaveMurray | morning |
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| 09:31.58 | torpet | hi |
| 09:32.00 | rob^ | ok, my appoligies for before.. |
| 09:32.17 | [1]DaveMurray | how are you , torpet ? |
| 09:32.45 | rob^ | the error message after upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel is : Please append correct "root= " boot option |
| 09:32.48 | torpet | fine |
| 09:32.59 | torpet | and you? |
| 09:33.17 | [1]DaveMurray | excellent |
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| 09:33.33 | kyrios_ | torpet: but i dont nothing |
| 09:33.34 | dejdo | rob^: and when you append the correct root= option? |
| 09:34.05 | rob^ | dejdo, its currently: boot=/dev/hda (which works with 2.4 kernel) |
| 09:34.07 | PerfDave | rob^: Which version of Debian are you running, which bootloader are you using, how did you "upgrade" to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:34.09 | torpet | rob^: just set the root to the device where your / tree is mounted at the moment. look with fdisk. if the path in the kernel is wrong and you don't wont to change it in grub/lilo use "rdev". man rdev |
| 09:34.18 | Nurbs | eww. libc6 just broke here :o) |
| 09:34.18 | dejdo | rob^: this is a boot option, not a root option :) |
| 09:34.27 | torpet | *g* |
| 09:34.32 | aidehua | We were talking about toast last night, and I unplugged my fridge to try some toasting techniques, then forgot to plug it back in, and now my fridge is warm :) |
| 09:34.32 | torpet | RTFM |
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| 09:34.52 | Shadda | Any ndiswrapper users here? |
| 09:34.55 | dejdo | rob^: main causes: pad partition name in lilo.conf, ext2(3) in module. |
| 09:35.23 | rob^ | sid, lilo and a vanilla 2.6.11.5 kernel |
| 09:35.34 | torpet | 2.6.11 sucks at the moment |
| 09:35.37 | dejdo | aidehua: wait for one week, all things go rot, and the smell ... |
| 09:35.42 | torpet | the fglrx-drivers wont work correct |
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| 09:35.49 | Shadda | This is really starting to irk me. I'm running Debian Sarge 2.4.27 kernel, trying to get my netgear WG311v2 PCI card to work |
| 09:35.49 | PerfDave | rob^: You compiled your own kernel? How? |
| 09:35.54 | SlayerXP | Shadda: don't use ndiswrapper, buy hardware from manufacturers who provide driver specs instead. |
| 09:35.56 | dejdo | torpet: 2.6.11.2-skas3-v8-rc5 :) |
| 09:35.58 | PerfDave | torpet: fglrx doesn't work anyway ;) |
| 09:36.01 | Shadda | So i install ndiswrapper |
| 09:36.05 | Shadda | follow all the docs |
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| 09:36.17 | rob^ | PerfDave, just downloaded it, followed the README |
| 09:36.19 | Shadda | and it finally says to load the driver, and modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 09:36.26 | torpet | dejdo: can you give me the links to your kernel patches? |
| 09:36.30 | PerfDave | rob^: So you didn't use make-kpkg? That's probably where you went wrong. |
| 09:36.34 | Shadda | i load the driver fine, but i can't get modprobe to find ndiswrapper |
| 09:36.37 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: I parsed "ndiswrapper user" in the same way as "crack user" ;) |
| 09:36.44 | Shadda | been through the docs over and over and over! |
| 09:36.44 | sep | rob^: it wants to know what harddrive your root file system is on so you need to put something like root = /dev/hda1 in your lilo.conf and rerun lilo. also grub is a much better bootloader imho |
| 09:36.50 | torpet | Shadda: use "depmod" |
| 09:37.00 | Shadda | depmod? hang on... |
| 09:37.08 | torpet | ok |
| 09:37.22 | rob^ | sep, i have root=/dev/hda2, which works with 2.4 |
| 09:37.35 | passi | hi there, i got a problem getting xvfb to run. problem is that i get an error when i try to install xfree86 which complains about ldconfig, start-stop-daemon, install-info and update-rc.d not being into the path but they are. can anyone give me a hand? |
| 09:37.42 | torpet | so you have to change this parameter in lilo or grub |
| 09:37.44 | server16 | hi all, I am trying to set up a debian sarge machine on an i386 architecture, I have a somewhat limited internet connection and I want to set up a working x server on an ATI radeon 9200 and I want a basic working setup in which I can download additional stuff through apt, which cds are required and are there any special steps that I can take to make the x server work immediately after installation? |
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| 09:38.05 | torpet | ?? |
| 09:38.15 | chealer | torpet: is that a reason for 2.6.11 to suck? |
| 09:38.16 | rob^ | torpet, to what? |
| 09:38.16 | server16 | if it makes any difference I have an aopen ax4c max motherboard |
| 09:38.18 | sep | rob^: your not trying to run 2.4 on a woody are you ? also if you use apt-get to install the kernel that's much nicer |
| 09:38.28 | dejdo | torpet: factory-clean 2.6.11, userm odel inux skas patch, but i don't use fglrx, sorry. |
| 09:38.29 | rob^ | sep, no sid |
| 09:38.41 | torpet | to "root=/dev/hda2" |
| 09:38.44 | Shadda | grr not working |
| 09:38.48 | torpet | it's self-explinating |
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| 09:39.20 | sep | rob^: if you run sid you are probably a developer and know a lot more about this them me anyways. |
| 09:39.37 | server16 | right now I am trying to get as many cds as possible through jigdo-lite |
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| 09:40.12 | rob^ | well, my reason for running 2.4 is to get my modem working as it doesn't under 2.6, thought I might give it another try and see what happens |
| 09:40.14 | chealer | server16: the first one. and check Desktop install |
| 09:40.19 | torpet | DaveMurrey: have you downloaded the sarge netinst yet? |
| 09:40.47 | rob^ | also 2.6 runs much better on my hardware |
| 09:40.54 | sep | rob^: my advice would be, to use grub instead of lilo. make that work in 2.4 then upgrade to 2.6 with apt-get. |
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| 09:40.59 | server16 | ok thx |
| 09:41.07 | aidehua | server16: you probably only need the first CD |
| 09:41.09 | sep | and then apt-get would automagicaly upgrade your grub config |
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| 09:41.23 | rob^ | sep, I'll give it a shot |
| 09:41.30 | PerfDave | sep: See my point to rob^ about using make-kpkg above :) |
| 09:41.38 | sep | rob^: make a boot floppy the first thing you do :) |
| 09:41.44 | larsl | I'm having lots of problems with Evolution in Sarge - it freezes up frequently so I have to kill it and restart it. Has anyone else had similar problems? |
| 09:41.46 | rob^ | heh yeah |
| 09:41.47 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.52 | server16 | I'll have to try it then, I'm on cd 4 thx chealer and aldehua |
| 09:42.10 | PerfDave | larsl: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 09:42.16 | larsl | The wha? |
| 09:42.21 | PerfDave | larsl: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 09:42.30 | rob^ | bbs |
| 09:42.40 | Shadda | aarrghh |
| 09:42.44 | sep | PerfDave: as i said . i dont run sid, i dont think im clever enoughf yet :) |
| 09:42.50 | Shadda | wtf can nothing ever work right... |
| 09:43.01 | PerfDave | sep: I'm very clever, I reinstalled my Sid box with Sarge. |
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| 09:43.34 | sep | that is pure genious :) |
| 09:43.57 | sep | i like woody. keeps my dialup happy when i apt-get upgrade |
| 09:44.16 | DaveMurray | is there a good howto to get the nvidia drivers working with the debian way |
| 09:44.29 | directhex|work | yes |
| 09:44.32 | directhex|work | yes there is |
| 09:44.34 | sep | !nvidia-howto |
| 09:44.34 | dpkg | i guess nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. WARNING for the first link : NVIDIA's drivers aren't in Sarge anymore, you have to use Sid's (ask me about quick sid/sarge mix). when asked to choose, use NVDIST=unstable |
| 09:44.40 | directhex|work | and thank you VERY much for asking, that makes me happy |
| 09:44.48 | DaveMurray | thx a lot |
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| 09:44.59 | torpet | if you have questions ask me |
| 09:45.25 | DaveMurray | ok |
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| 09:45.51 | ste | hi all. Is php module for apache2 compatible with new pgsql8 in experimental? |
| 09:46.11 | torpet | try it out yourself |
| 09:46.25 | torpet | are there any users of software suspend 2? |
| 09:46.29 | torpet | www.suspend2.net? |
| 09:46.49 | ste | torpet: would be useful before breaking a production site, no? |
| 09:47.56 | torpet | ste: but why do you want to use pgsql8 experimental for a production site? |
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| 09:47.57 | PerfDave | ste: This is why you have a test server, right? |
| 09:48.08 | torpet | yes a test server would be fine |
| 09:48.20 | passi | im new to debian and got serious problems with dselect, it wants to install xfree86 but i dont want to because it will crash when i install the files. is there any possibility to remove the packages from wanted to be installed? |
| 09:48.21 | ste | PerfDave: well, actually I don't |
| 09:48.34 | ste | PerfDave: this is why I'm asking :) |
| 09:48.51 | torpet | sorry, i don't know |
| 09:48.54 | PerfDave | ste: Postgres 8 has only been out for a month or so, and the Debian packages are still experimental. You're fucking insane if you expect to run that on a production server and have it not break. |
| 09:49.04 | torpet | yes |
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| 09:49.18 | sep | ste: i run a testserver even if i use woody, you'r insane if you dont for a mad mix of experimental |
| 09:49.19 | davidleeroth | hello |
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| 09:49.37 | davidleeroth | hey |
| 09:49.54 | ste | PerfDave: I have no doubt about pgsql, I've been running it for a while, with no problems. My doubts are about the php module, I'd prefer not to recompile it myself. |
| 09:49.56 | DaveMurray | hello |
| 09:50.03 | davidleeroth | whats goin on? |
| 09:50.04 | torpet | what's up? |
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| 09:50.08 | davidleeroth | nothing |
| 09:50.12 | davidleeroth | yourself> |
| 09:50.32 | ste | sep: it depends on what kind of production you mean |
| 09:50.34 | torpet | are any assembler-programmers in here? |
| 09:50.44 | e2e | passi: Do you want X? |
| 09:50.47 | PerfDave | ste: You've been running the Debian packages from experimental for a while? |
| 09:51.15 | ste | PerfDave: no, I've compiled it myself from sources |
| 09:51.19 | sep | production is when it affects anyone but myself if the server is not operational |
| 09:51.23 | davidleeroth | does everyone in here actually run debian? just to ask |
| 09:51.33 | PerfDave | ste: So you're expecting the Debian experimental packages to work just like a local compile? |
| 09:51.41 | PerfDave | ste: Remind me never to give you a job. |
| 09:51.46 | sep | davidleeroth: no nobody in here runs debian you want to look in #windows for those |
| 09:51.50 | davidleeroth | lol |
| 09:51.56 | davidleeroth | rahhhhahahahhahaha |
| 09:52.01 | DaveMurray | ^^ |
| 09:52.07 | davidleeroth | no thanks |
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| 09:52.34 | davidleeroth | i meant did anyone run other distros |
| 09:52.44 | davidleeroth | not other operating systems entirely |
| 09:52.45 | ste | PerfDave: my question is pretty simple: is php pg module for apache 2 bin compatible with pgsql client 4? |
| 09:52.57 | chealer | davidleeroth: of course |
| 09:52.59 | PerfDave | ste: No idea, I don't use PHP. |
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| 09:53.10 | passi | e2e: i just want xvfb |
| 09:53.16 | PerfDave | ste: And I don't use Apache 2. |
| 09:53.17 | sep | davidleeroth: what kind of question is that. there is 722 people in here ofcouse we do |
| 09:53.26 | ste | PerfDave: right, that's enough |
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| 09:53.27 | davidleeroth | sorry sh!t |
| 09:53.35 | sussudio | spammy |
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| 09:53.46 | PerfDave | ste: *shrug* You're still crazy. I'm glad I don't have to work with you. |
| 09:53.46 | kyrios_ | how i disable cdrom during instalation of debian? |
| 09:53.57 | sussudio | !ops CoNaN RHino spamm |
| 09:53.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: CoNaN RHino spamm |
| 09:54.00 | ste | PerfDave: believe me, me too |
| 09:54.08 | davidleeroth | actually i have a better question |
| 09:54.14 | PerfDave | ste: You're glad you don't have to work with you? :) |
| 09:54.28 | sep | ste: as a general rule no binary module package will be compatible with your custom compiled software not ever |
| 09:54.34 | e2e | passi: It seems it depends only libc6 |
| 09:54.39 | davidleeroth | how do i get a dlink wireless network adapter (PCMCIA) dwl-650+ to work |
| 09:54.52 | ste | PerfDave: you don't even know what I need if for... your "advices" are a bit too fast |
| 09:54.53 | sep | ste: you need to compile it for your self. |
| 09:54.56 | SlayerXP | davidleeroth: does linux support that card? |
| 09:55.08 | davidleeroth | ive been to numerous sites the one most helpful is http://www.wickle.com/weblog/index.php?p=49&more=1 |
| 09:55.13 | PerfDave | ste: I don't give a fuck what you need it for. "experimental" and "production server" do not go together. |
| 09:55.17 | ste | sep: ok, thanks |
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| 09:55.32 | davidleeroth | i am doing fine until they ask me to get the windows .bin files |
| 09:55.39 | sep | SlayerXP: who knows dlink have changed chipset atlest twice that i know about for the dwl-650's |
| 09:55.43 | davidleeroth | which is not on the damn install cd |
| 09:55.43 | e2e | passi: May be one of files come with libc6 needs xfree86 |
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| 09:56.03 | davidleeroth | or on the entire net according to google |
| 09:56.10 | e2e | passi: You can delete a package after it's installed with dpkg -P package_name |
| 09:56.18 | ste | PerfDave: great answer! |
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| 09:56.49 | davidleeroth | hola como estas? |
| 09:56.51 | e2e | passi: Here -P means purge, it removes packages with all of it's configuration files |
| 09:57.02 | torpet | gracias, muy bien |
| 09:57.03 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: you forgot CoNaN |
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| 09:57.09 | davidleeroth | yankee rose! |
| 09:57.12 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 09:57.21 | davidleeroth | have you guys followed my career? |
| 09:57.26 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, it hadn't /msg'ed me until after I put the +b on the other spammer |
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| 09:58.56 | passi | e2e: thanks. |
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| 09:59.05 | kyrios_ | i am trying install debian sarge, but it crach in detecting network hardware, loading yenta_socket module |
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| 09:59.39 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 09:59.41 | Space_NL | hi, postfix wont deliver mail anymore, claiming /etc/aliases is newer then /etc/aliases.db .. how cna i fix this ? |
| 09:59.41 | deadcat | kyrios_: your pcmcia |
| 09:59.54 | petemc | Space_NL: just a guess, run newaliases |
| 10:00.06 | deadcat | Space_NL: touch or newaliases |
| 10:00.38 | Space_NL | thnx! |
| 10:01.01 | e2e | kyrios_: #debian-boot will be right place to ask installation questions |
| 10:01.05 | SlayerXP | Space_NL: try using google first next time. |
| 10:01.31 | mythsmith | hi! I need help with nfs... I've configured /etc/exports on machine A on my LAN, and /etc/fstab on B in the LAN. But if I try to mount A from B (mount -a), the mount program stops without any signal (i must kill it) |
| 10:01.36 | petemc | kyrios_: make sure you're trying the latest version of the install before bothering the debian boot people |
| 10:01.37 | davidleeroth | does anyone have a solution to my pcmcia problem? or suggestions? |
| 10:01.41 | rob^ | when I run dpkg -l make, it lists make 3.80-9 then exits. I have that version installed. Whats it trying to tell me? |
| 10:01.42 | Space_NL | somehow google takes like 30 seconds before it reacts here .. also still in my list of things to fix ;( |
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| 10:01.56 | suzzi | howdy |
| 10:02.00 | davidleeroth | hey |
| 10:02.06 | kyrios_ | deadcat: how i disable pcmcia in instalation |
| 10:02.13 | jm_ | rob^: do you know what -l means for dpkg? |
| 10:02.17 | petemc | rob^: what behaviour were you expecting? |
| 10:02.18 | davidleeroth | i want pcmcia enabled |
| 10:02.26 | davidleeroth | we should have sex |
| 10:02.39 | davidleeroth | if youre a chick |
| 10:02.40 | sep | mythsmith: try making the mount manually before mount with fstab, and try to mount the mountpoint directly instead of useing mount -a |
| 10:02.42 | rob^ | jm_, load-average |
| 10:02.53 | mythsmith | sep: same result |
| 10:02.54 | kyrios_ | petemc: i am installing via ftp |
| 10:02.56 | jm_ | rob^: huh? |
| 10:03.00 | e2e | mythsmith: How you configured your /etc/fstab file? |
| 10:03.02 | rob^ | petemc, following the guide at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#PREP-KERNEL-PKG |
| 10:03.10 | petemc | kyrios_: right, but which version of the sarge installer? |
| 10:03.46 | davidleeroth | bye Mike! |
| 10:03.47 | davidleeroth | lol |
| 10:03.59 | mythsmith | sep: 192.168.1.8:/hdb /home/daniele/hdb nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,port=5000 |
| 10:04.08 | sep | mythsmith: your saying that it you type mount -t nfs a:/export /mountpoint then mount freezes ? |
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| 10:04.11 | kyrios_ | petemc: i went to the debian.org and i downloaded |
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| 10:04.32 | petemc | kyrios_: from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 10:04.33 | mythsmith | sep: gonna try again... |
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| 10:05.02 | kyrios_ | petemc: yes |
| 10:05.05 | kicknick | i have a question |
| 10:05.08 | incorrect | i've installed ssh and im getting stdin: is not a tty when i try to ssh into the box, anyone know what i might have goofed |
| 10:05.14 | mythsmith | sep: yes |
| 10:05.24 | mythsmith | sep: mount: RPC: Remote system error - Timeout della connessione |
| 10:05.33 | sep | mythsmith: you have portmap running ofcouse ? |
| 10:05.38 | sep | on both sides |
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| 10:05.57 | mythsmith | sep: having a look.... |
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| 10:06.39 | kyrios_ | petemc: a friend told me, to put "linux noacpi", but it dont works |
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| 10:07.01 | mythsmith | sep: yes, it's running |
| 10:07.15 | suzzi | this is totaly OT but any one know how to tar up a dir and save it else where? I've been trying tar -cvf /dir/file.tar /source but keep geting a permissions errors even thoug I can copy and touch files in that dir??? |
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| 10:07.39 | suzzi | I checked the man for tar and didnt see any thing super obvous |
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| 10:07.57 | suzzi | I'm sure this is super easy just cant seem to find an answer? |
| 10:07.59 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: can you touch /dir/file.tar? |
| 10:08.26 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: can you also find /source > /dev/null; without any errors? |
| 10:08.44 | kyrios_ | petemc: i had already install a distro of linux, and i couldn't use cdrom, the problem can be here? |
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| 10:09.01 | sep | i use ssh keys for 'username' and tar czf - /dir | ssh 192.168.1.10 -l username 'cat > /dir/tarfile.tar.gz |
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| 10:09.25 | sep | ohh sorry your not talking about remotly.. just ignore me :) |
| 10:09.31 | kicknick | can ne one tell me what directory i wud find the cgi-bin |
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| 10:10.03 | e2e | kicknick: locate cgi-bin |
| 10:10.06 | sep | kicknick:type updatedb ; locate cgi-bin |
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| 10:10.24 | _merlin | hi |
| 10:10.28 | dondelelcaro | kicknick: /usr/lib/cgi-bin typically, but it depends on what the hell you're looking for. |
| 10:10.37 | uhlsuys | hi. lots of people here. |
| 10:10.50 | suzzi | cool thanks dondelelcaro |
| 10:11.04 | uhlsuys | i have question on the breakaway game editing? can I ask that here |
| 10:11.04 | passi | is there a command to add an initscript to be started at bootup? |
| 10:11.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell uhlsuys about ask |
| 10:11.23 | sep | passi: update-rc.d |
| 10:11.26 | _merlin | i'm trying to compil the old nec-socks5 , and i'm getting this error : |
| 10:11.27 | _merlin | ./usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.5/include/varargs.h:4:2: #error "GCC no longer implements <varargs.h>." ...#error "Revise your code to use <stdarg.h>." |
| 10:11.31 | dondelelcaro | passi: update-rc.d... /msg dpkg runlevels |
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| 10:11.34 | _merlin | could anyone help me please ? |
| 10:11.42 | davidleeroth | hey blueslut |
| 10:11.47 | davidleeroth | whats goin on? |
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| 10:12.03 | dondelelcaro | _merlin: the error message is pretty straightforward. change #include <varargs.h> to #include <stdarg.h> |
| 10:12.06 | davidleeroth | whats goin on? |
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| 10:13.53 | deadcat | damn wasted 6 cds trying to burn 19 audio tracks. )= |
| 10:14.01 | passi | thanls |
| 10:14.35 | kyrios_ | i am trying install debian sarge, but it crach in detecting network hardware, loading yenta_socket module, what i have to do? |
| 10:14.55 | X2 | ok, how would dlr install his wireless nic? it doesn't detect it on startup. what should he do. |
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| 10:15.05 | _merlin | dondelelcaro: thanks you,i'm trying what you said :) |
| 10:15.22 | larsl | What config files do I need to edit to get Debian to activate my network card (DHCP) at startup, before starting the display manager? |
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| 10:15.47 | larsl | I have the card configured but I have to ifup it manually. |
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| 10:16.03 | revelater | hey guys can some one tell me the least painfull way to upgrade my kernel |
| 10:16.06 | e2e | larsl: Type your settings to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:16.14 | dondelelcaro | revelater: use a Debian kernel, and install the new version you want |
| 10:16.17 | Ragan | revelater, apt-get install it |
| 10:16.24 | streuner_ | larsl: try /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 10:16.56 | revelater | Ragan, i had to reset my system, and nothing is working... again... |
| 10:17.00 | e2e | larsl: auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 10:17.32 | Ragan | revelater, ugh =( in reset your system, is that a reinstall? |
| 10:18.00 | larsl | Also, lots of programs take several minutes to start (gnome-settings-daemon, k3b, digikam) - what could the problem be? |
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| 10:18.04 | revelater | Ragan, do i want the headers or the image? and yes, reinstall, took me 4 hours =( |
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| 10:18.44 | Ragan | revelater, just apt-cache search kernel-image and pick the latest 386 (if I remember your CPU correctly). |
| 10:19.39 | Ragan | revelater, what happend? |
| 10:20.58 | incorrect | i've installed ssh and im getting 'stdin: is not a tty' when i remotely ssh into the box, anyone what what i need to configure? |
| 10:21.15 | revelater | Ragan, was trying to install printers... |
| 10:22.09 | mythsmith | sep: solved a problem with NFS. For security reasons, I set up the firewall on the server machine to forward connections to all ports excepts a few to a non-existing IP address... no I can run rpcinfo and a mount give me "Permission denied" |
| 10:22.31 | revelater | Ragan, ?? apt-get says i already have it??? how do i set it to boot though? |
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| 10:23.04 | Ragan | revelater, run liloconfig |
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| 10:23.13 | revelater | ragan, anywho i put a build-dep in something and it uninstalled half my system... |
| 10:23.31 | Ragan | revelater, or just lilo |
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| 10:24.03 | Ragan | revelater, darn, but it didn't purge anything so you should be able to recover, to late though |
| 10:24.37 | Space_NL | hmm, i get a mail saying this, what should i do ? : 2005-03-22 12:53:01 1D6dWT-0008TV-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/usr/majordomo/wrapper majordomo |
| 10:24.46 | revelater | Ragan, actually apt-get didn't work and neither did dpkg, but if there was a way to make it work i would like to know |
| 10:24.50 | larsl | digikam took 5 minutes to start (and it's not my computer, it started instantaneously on Mandrake), and now it won't connect to my camera. Are there any special tricks on Debian to get KDE programs to run (and to use digital cameras)? |
| 10:25.11 | revelater | Ragan, btw i am getting this in lilo config: Install a boot block using your current LILO configuration? [Yes] |
| 10:25.23 | Ragan | revelater, try running lilo first |
| 10:25.57 | revelater | Ragan, says this: Added Linux * |
| 10:25.57 | revelater | Added LinuxOLD |
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| 10:26.21 | revelater | Ragan, good or bad? |
| 10:26.58 | cahoot | larsl: run digikam from a term and look for any error msgs |
| 10:27.05 | revelater | !botsnack |
| 10:27.05 | dpkg | aw, gee, revelater |
| 10:27.17 | Ragan | revelater, it's alright, liloconfig and just follow the defaults |
| 10:27.21 | larsl | cahoot: No error messages. |
| 10:27.29 | directhex|work | larsl, how did you install it? |
| 10:27.42 | Ragan | revelater, op edit lilo.conf yourself |
| 10:28.11 | Ragan | revelater, *or, I don't trust those wizards, might aswell do it manually ;-) |
| 10:28.16 | revelater | second one sounds better... |
| 10:28.31 | larsl | apt-get install digikam |
| 10:28.40 | revelater | ragan, sorry, i keep forgetting to put your name first |
| 10:29.02 | revelater | Ragan, yah neither do i |
| 10:29.05 | larsl | But now it looks like gphoto2 doesn't work either - 'gphoto2 -L' prints the error message "An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x571). Make sure this device is connected to the computer." |
| 10:29.19 | directhex|work | larsl, just started up in about 10 seconds on this rather overstretched p3-500 |
| 10:29.42 | Ragan | revelater, just make two new symbolic links to / from /boot |
| 10:29.43 | revelater | Ragan, where is the lilo.conf file again? |
| 10:30.09 | larsl | directhex|work: Yes, it looks like I have some problems here... k3b, gkrellm and gnome-settings-daemon also take forever to start. |
| 10:30.30 | larsl | gphoto2 --auto-detect doesn't find my camera, although it's connected and turned on. |
| 10:30.42 | Ragan | revelater, /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-version, same with /vmlinuz |
| 10:31.14 | directhex|work | larsl, something sounds buggered |
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| 10:31.22 | P\deb | hi |
| 10:31.36 | SlayerXP | !kill everyone who uses an initrd for anything except installing a new machine |
| 10:31.38 | larsl | I'm wondering if it has something to do with the network - the DHCP client didn't change my hostname like it did on Mandrake. |
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| 10:32.44 | revelater | Ragan, good, but where is lilo.conf? |
| 10:32.54 | sep | SlayerXP: what exactly is wrong with initrd, the kernel-images of debian uses initrd. and i'v never had any issues with them myself |
| 10:33.31 | Ragan | revelater, just leave it be and make new links, what is the full name of the initrd.img and vmlinuz files in /boot you want to use? |
| 10:33.57 | SlayerXP | sep: initrds are a nasty horrible hack which are prone to breaking horribly. |
| 10:34.34 | SkippedySkop | hmm anyone familiar with qmail? |
| 10:34.41 | streuner_ | #qmail |
| 10:34.50 | SlayerXP | SkippedySkop: thousands of people are. |
| 10:34.58 | revelater | Ragan, no full name, just initrd, initrd.img, vmlinuz, vmlinuz.old |
| 10:35.19 | Ragan | revelater, uh, in /boot ? |
| 10:35.28 | inetd | k |
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| 10:35.34 | revelater | yah |
| 10:35.39 | revelater | ragan yah |
| 10:35.46 | revelater | Ragan, yah |
| 10:36.05 | SkippedySkop | well it's more to do with the logging. I can't find out where it's logging the information, i checked /var/log, and there's only maillog in there, which is empty, so i checked /etc/logrotate.d and there's only syslog in there, which obviously is logging mail to maillog |
| 10:36.38 | sep | SlayerXP: then why are the kernel-images using initrd ? why are there not just more kernel-images to choose from depending on your hardware and fs setup where you have the nessesary modules included i the kernel ? |
| 10:36.53 | revelater | Ragan, hold on a sec, it didn't cd for some reason |
| 10:36.57 | SkippedySkop | my conclusion is that it doesn't log presumably, which sounds obsurd, not only that but i wouldn't know where to enable it |
| 10:37.05 | SlayerXP | sep: because they have to work on lots of different machines |
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| 10:37.52 | sep | SlayerXP that's what i meant, a set of kernel-images depending on the hardware you have, not only the cpu you have |
| 10:37.53 | larsl | Does anyone use PTP-based digital cameras on Debian? When I connect mine I see these lines in /var/log/messages: |
| 10:37.55 | larsl | Mar 22 11:36:15 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 5 |
| 10:37.55 | larsl | Mar 22 11:36:15 localhost usb.agent[10561]: libgphoto2: loaded successfully |
| 10:37.56 | revelater | Ragan, 2.6.8-2-386 for init |
| 10:38.05 | larsl | ...but gphoto2 --auto-detect sees no camera. |
| 10:38.09 | sep | yes i know thosands of packages... but if initrd's are so bad... |
| 10:38.15 | revelater | Ragan, smae for vmlinuz |
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| 10:38.39 | revelater | Ragan then the old ones which i am urrently using (woody 2.4) |
| 10:39.14 | revelater | Ragan *same |
| 10:39.27 | Space_NL | hmm, i get a mail saying this, what should i do ? : 2005-03-22 12:53:01 1D6dWT-0008TV-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/usr/majordomo/wrapper majordomo |
| 10:39.52 | Ragan | revelater, 'ln -sf /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 /vmlinuz && ln -sf /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386' Make sure the files excists by using the TAB key |
| 10:39.55 | revelater | !kill everyone who has touched my beer |
| 10:40.11 | davidleeroth | !hi |
| 10:40.11 | dpkg | hello, davidleeroth |
| 10:40.21 | cahoot | larsl: you are member of camera? |
| 10:40.24 | davidleeroth | !yankee rose |
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| 10:41.11 | Ragan | revelater, I know you have a rescue disc so I wont recommend it =) |
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| 10:42.13 | larsl | cahoot: I am now... now gphoto2 --auto-detect discovers TWO cameras. =) |
| 10:42.14 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 10:42.37 | larsl | I was expecting that the console user would automatically have access to the camera, but this works too now that I know it. |
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| 10:43.31 | larsl | One problem down, 255 to go... |
| 10:43.32 | revelater | i actually don't have a rescue disk anymore (i broke it too... somhow) |
| 10:43.46 | revelater | Ragan, sorry check post above |
| 10:43.46 | Ragan | revelater, wow, that is impressing =) |
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| 10:44.03 | revelater | Ragan, yah, i am poud!!! |
| 10:44.13 | revelater | Ragan, *proud |
| 10:44.45 | larsl | gtkam starts right away - I suppose I could use that instead of digikam. |
| 10:44.47 | revelater | !kill revelater for being a loser |
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| 10:45.06 | cIclops | howto make a boot floppy? |
| 10:46.05 | streuner_ | clc: man mkboot |
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| 10:46.17 | ircdevil | where can i get a listing of xterm color names? |
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| 10:46.25 | streuner_ | clclops: man mkboot or just copy the kernel to the floppy |
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| 10:46.27 | revelater | Ragan, on ls -sf /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386, should i put '/initrd.img' after it? |
| 10:46.27 | xophEr | my gtk1-fonts are way too small, what could be the problem? in e.g. xmms and neroLINUX the text is almost unreadable, tia. |
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| 10:46.35 | suzzi | howdy all again. |
| 10:46.44 | suzzi | me with my OT questions? |
| 10:46.44 | davidleeroth | !kill |
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| 10:46.48 | Ragan | revelater, sure |
| 10:47.07 | Ragan | revelater, just use TAB key after every / and a few letters |
| 10:47.49 | revelater | Ragan, don't quite understand that? |
| 10:47.55 | drac | xophEr: Try installing these, and see if it helps. Did the trick for me. apt-cache search xfonts | grep transcoded |
| 10:48.07 | suzzi | ok so I only have 7 registers that can hold FFFF I want to keep basicly a list of numbers but how would I maximize that so that I could store the longest list that is easly parsed via math only? |
| 10:48.22 | suzzi | I know this is totaly ot so if theres a better chan please let me know |
| 10:48.23 | Ragan | revelater, don't you have autocomplete in bash with TAB? |
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| 10:48.49 | revelater | !kill Revelater for being insulent |
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| 10:49.08 | revelater | ?? that didn't make sense.... |
| 10:49.18 | revelater | Ragan, i am not sure... |
| 10:49.38 | Ragan | revelater, try typing cd /bo and hit tab |
| 10:50.20 | revelater | Ragan AHHH cool... didn't know i could do that... will save me ALOT of typing in the comman line.... |
| 10:50.42 | cIclops | streuner_: thanks, i have other systems and grub installed, i boot debian by using a boot floppy - all i want to do is make a floppy backup but there are errors, will mkboot create a new boot floppy and not touch the hard disk? |
| 10:51.09 | revelater | Ragan sooo... should i run lilo again now? |
| 10:51.18 | kyrios_ | I have a problem installing debian sarge, it crached in detecting netwok hardware (yenta_socket module), if i use pci=off, it dont crach, but it dont detect my ethernet card, what i do? |
| 10:51.45 | streuner_ | clclops: use another floppy-disc, and for the second question, no. |
| 10:52.03 | dondelelcaro | kyrios_: use the expert mode, and manually select the network hardware |
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| 10:52.17 | Ragan | revelater, nah, after the ln's just reboot, a great place to improve your bash skills (and thereby your linux skills) is linuxcommand.org, it is VERY recommended =) |
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| 10:52.56 | kyrios_ | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 10:52.59 | Ragan | revelater, I mean highly recommended *points at Ragan, stupid foreigner* |
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| 10:53.15 | revelater | Ragan, yah i wnet there.... i made a little cheat sheet for that stuff... maybe too little.... |
| 10:53.15 | dondelelcaro | kyrios_: boot with expert26 insead of linux26 or whatever |
| 10:53.25 | revelater | Ragan, your a foreigner? |
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| 10:53.47 | ircdevil | i am trying to manipulate some vim syntax hilighting. how come that the cterm color lightblue is bold light blue, whereas darkblue is normal dark blue ? |
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| 10:54.04 | revelater | !kill revelater for not getting enough information first |
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| 10:54.15 | Ragan | revelater, I'm not for the US nor the UK =) |
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| 10:54.36 | kyrios_ | dondelelcaro: i dont understood! |
| 10:54.36 | SlayerXP | !kill revelater for not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" |
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| 10:54.52 | Ragan | revelater, nor any english speaking countries, so my english suck, even more now when I'm halft drunk and haven't slept for quite some time |
| 10:54.53 | revelater | Ragan ??? really?, where you from? |
| 10:55.07 | Ragan | revelater, Denmark, Europe =) And you? |
| 10:55.37 | Noid | Ragan: it's around 11.55 up there... hahaha nice time to be drunk |
| 10:55.41 | revelater | Ragan, the US of A |
| 10:56.01 | revelater | Ragan, USA |
| 10:56.21 | Ragan | Noid, hehe, been playing outside our town the whole night, I play the guitar in a band =) we actually stopped drinking about 5 AM but I'm still half pissed |
| 10:56.24 | revelater | Noid, hey its 3 over here!! |
| 10:56.54 | Noid | revelater: west coast? |
| 10:57.14 | revelater | Noid, good old california |
| 10:57.17 | Ragan | -8 GMT, yeah it's properly cal |
| 10:57.25 | Ragan | =) |
| 10:57.31 | revelater | Noid, were schwartzenager rules!!!! |
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| 10:57.39 | BlackSunSystems | its 11.56 in Amsterdam :) |
| 10:57.49 | Noid | revelater: hahaha |
| 10:57.53 | revelater | Noid (and no, i can't spell his name) |
| 10:57.56 | Ragan | revelater, hehe, saw him in the Jay Lennon show yesterday |
| 10:58.16 | revelater | Ragan, Noid, lol, i don't think that was him.... |
| 10:59.01 | Ragan | revelater, ohh, Jay Leno of course. *slaps head* |
| 10:59.39 | Ragan | revelater, it's because in Danish Jay Leno's show is pronounced and written Jay Lenons show |
| 11:00.19 | revelater | Ragan, anywho, i may as well go for a restart now, i probably wont get back on tonight, as i must sleep for tomorrow.... |
| 11:00.40 | Ragan | revelater, catch you later, be sure to check out linuxcommand.org |
| 11:00.52 | revelater | Ragan, i bid thee farwell, friend |
| 11:01.08 | LordKahless | if i have a laptop that takes edo sodimms, could i put a stick of pc100 in it? or will it not take it? |
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| 11:01.27 | directhex|work | LordKahless, no, because PC100 isn't EDO |
| 11:01.33 | Ragan | LordKahless, somehow in my head that sounded naughty |
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| 11:01.52 | LordKahless | heh i didnt think so |
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| 11:01.53 | directhex|work | LordKahless, the completely different size, pin layout, and voltages, suggest it might not be happy |
| 11:02.25 | LordKahless | o.O |
| 11:02.25 | LordKahless | i was oping it'd be like 133 and 100 |
| 11:02.25 | LordKahless | oh well |
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| 11:02.25 | LordKahless | time to ebay some edo ram |
| 11:02.25 | Ragan | LordKahless, just try, you can always blame the manual for not explicit telling you not to ;-) |
| 11:02.47 | LordKahless | lol |
| 11:03.24 | directhex|work | LordKahless, what is the exact model of the laptop? |
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| 11:03.48 | sep | what is the price of 512 MB EDO nowadays :P |
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| 11:04.29 | Noid | LordKahless: yeah, try it, fry it, sue them |
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| 11:04.37 | directhex|work | yes, because everyone is gonna be crying about a pentium 1 laptop frying |
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| 11:05.00 | transgress | so anyone used the kde 3.4 packages on alioth? |
| 11:05.20 | PerfDave | transgress: No, not even the people who've used them ;) |
| 11:05.32 | Noid | directhex|work: you know about portable mp3/ogg players, right? |
| 11:05.39 | jb34 | dog is really a nice command |
| 11:05.44 | Skiver | !bitmapped font |
| 11:05.46 | directhex|work | LordKahless, it takes this long to look at the label on the laptop and go "oh, it's a foocorp barbaz2000"? |
| 11:05.53 | directhex|work | Noid, a bit. what do you need? |
| 11:06.06 | sep | directhex|work: it's very likely that the p1 laptop will outlive any new p4 he ownes. never underestimate the survivability of old hardware... even if the usability is a bit diminished |
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| 11:06.22 | fpmc | term |
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| 11:06.35 | Skiver | !dpkg bitmapped font |
| 11:06.40 | Gecko | Hey. Can someone point me to some documentation on how to make a debian-style initrd? |
| 11:06.54 | Noid | directhex|work: is the mpio hd 300 (the one with 20 gb that plays ogg) a good player? |
| 11:07.06 | transgress | so no tips on how well the packages work? because the slack people are about half and half on their packages |
| 11:07.09 | fpmc | hi guys, I just had a failure with my computer, and it doesn't boot up anymore! any directions on how to fix? |
| 11:07.20 | sep | Gecko: man mkinitrd is what i read usualy |
| 11:07.27 | fpmc | I tried using mulinux, the linux on a floppy, but apparently it doesn't boot ext3 partition, only ext2 |
| 11:07.37 | transgress | does it go to the boot loader... ala lilo or grub? |
| 11:07.47 | PerfDave | fpmc: Define "failure"? |
| 11:07.59 | fpmc | sorry. Grub does not load |
| 11:07.59 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: you can read ext3 as an ext2 partition, it's backwards compatable. |
| 11:08.00 | Gecko | sep, d'oh, Ok :) |
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| 11:08.27 | fpmc | MobyTurbo: ok, then mount can't mount it anymore!! ARGH!! |
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| 11:08.57 | directhex|work | Noid, i've not tried it, seems reasonable though |
| 11:09.02 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: you'll need to specify more flags to mount if you don't have an /etc/fstab |
| 11:09.11 | directhex|work | Noid, assuming you can interface with it from linux, which i can't comment on |
| 11:09.15 | fpmc | MobyTurbo like? |
| 11:09.18 | JoeyrS | someone know if exist a repository with gnome 2.10 packages? |
| 11:09.26 | directhex|work | !gnome 2.10 |
| 11:09.33 | fpmc | MobyTurbo I did "mount -t ext2 /dev/hda3 /mnt/r/" |
| 11:09.42 | Noid | directhex|work: yeah, that's what i thought... and it's interfacable as a block device at least, there's an mpio sourceforge project |
| 11:09.49 | JoeyrS | !gnome 2.10 |
| 11:09.54 | Gecko | sep, do I need any kernel patches? |
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| 11:10.23 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: strange |
| 11:10.31 | Noid | directhex|work: it has radio and does ogg, the latest being a quite important feature, given that i encode cds as ogg d-: |
| 11:10.37 | fpmc | MobyTurbo I'm pretty sure /dev/hda3 is my Linux partition... anyway for me to check? |
| 11:10.52 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: fdisk |
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| 11:11.01 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: specifically fdisk -l |
| 11:11.08 | directhex|work | Noid, indeed. i've never been a big radio user persnally, though. seems reasonable enough as a player, i'd need to use one for about a week to form a strong opinion |
| 11:11.19 | directhex|work | Noid, i have a rio karma personally, which does vorbis & flac |
| 11:11.44 | fpmc | ok, damn it, fdisk says /dev/hda3 IS my ext2 patition....... |
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| 11:12.00 | Noid | directhex|work: as you have reviewed some, i thought you may had used it... and rio karma is good, but i get more bang for my buck with the mpio |
| 11:12.08 | X2 | hi all, i am trying to find an mp3 encoder, what is a good encoder that i could apt-get? |
| 11:12.12 | witless | is anyone able to watch realmedia videos from c-span.org? |
| 11:12.14 | Noid | X2: lame |
| 11:12.22 | citral | X2: /msg dpkg marillat, choose lame |
| 11:12.24 | transgress | X2 get an ogg encoder |
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| 11:12.26 | sep | Gecko: now we have no idea what your trying to do so how should we know ? i almost never need to make a new initrd, only when i have hardware that the installer dont know about |
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| 11:12.34 | Ragan | X2: lame, and use variable bitrates, it rocks =) |
| 11:12.55 | Gecko | sep, well, is it for instance still necessary to patch the kernel for cramfs? |
| 11:13.04 | directhex|work | X2, use vorbis unless you have compelling reasons not to |
| 11:13.14 | fpmc | When "mount" fails even though fdisk detects it as Ext2, what can I do? |
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| 11:13.36 | X2 | i can't... apt-get install lame under sarge.. |
| 11:13.52 | citral | X2: that's why I told you to /msg dpkg marillat |
| 11:14.00 | directhex|work | X2, that's because it violates patents. /msg dpkg marillat for a debian repository containiing the packages |
| 11:14.00 | X2 | i didn't see your message |
| 11:14.11 | Ragan | directhex|work, mp3 is better supported when using MS Windows |
| 11:14.19 | citral | untrue |
| 11:14.22 | directhex|work | Ragan, so is WMA |
| 11:14.30 | ep | My entries in my sources.list file only give two sections, testing and main. Did a Sarge netinstall. |
| 11:14.30 | citral | winamp perfectly supports ogg |
| 11:14.41 | Ragan | directhex|work, yeah, use WMA, it roxors |
| 11:14.42 | ep | How do i add contrib for instance? |
| 11:14.49 | citral | but my DVD player doesn't support it :/ |
| 11:14.50 | sep | Gecko: it sounds like you know a lot more about the issue then i do. sorry. i prefer to stick to debian's kernel-images or debian's kernel-source so i never run into anything like that |
| 11:14.52 | directhex|work | ep, add 'contrib' to the end of the line |
| 11:15.00 | directhex|work | ep, and non-free, contrib is useless without it |
| 11:15.11 | ep | ok |
| 11:15.17 | Ragan | ep, in /etc/apt/source.list after main |
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| 11:15.24 | Gecko | sep, ok, if you insist ;) |
| 11:16.09 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: my advice to you is to use a rescue CD, it will offer more tools than Linux-on-a-floppy. |
| 11:16.12 | Ragan | directhex|work, so, you're the audio guru around here? |
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| 11:17.08 | fpmc | MobyTurbo any suggestion on where to get one? |
| 11:17.47 | MobyTurbo | fpmc: several popular live CDs contain rescue programs, there's also at least one specifically for that task. Google is your friend. |
| 11:18.04 | sep | fpmc: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html#livecd |
| 11:18.06 | X2 | is there an alternative to lame that i could just apt-get without changing sources.list? |
| 11:18.10 | fpmc | MobyTurbo thanks |
| 11:18.15 | fpmc | sep thanks |
| 11:18.25 | nnk | fpmc: insert would be a choice, beeing small enough, ubcd another good choice, the full one, with insert |
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| 11:18.30 | BettyB | n |
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| 11:18.34 | directhex|work | Ragan, i have some basic knowledge |
| 11:18.42 | citral | X2: you can use the ogg format, like we told, depends on your needs |
| 11:18.54 | ep | Do I also add contrib and nonfree to the deb-src line or just the binary packages line. |
| 11:19.00 | Ragan | directhex|work, I have loads of flac bootlegs, any apt-get'able tools to convert them to vorbis and how much quality would be lost? |
| 11:19.01 | citral | e.g. for a car mp3 player you need lame... |
| 11:19.12 | directhex|work | Ragan, WMA as a codec isn't bad, it's about on par with vorbis or AAC for audio quality, it's just a bit patent encombered, a pain to encode, play & edit on anything non-windows, etc |
| 11:19.29 | directhex|work | Ragan, iirc oggenc can take in flac files as input |
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| 11:19.31 | citral | but to rip cds and play them on your computer better use oggenc |
| 11:19.34 | Ragan | directhex|work, yeah I know, were kidding |
| 11:19.44 | X2 | citral: k, thanks anyway |
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| 11:20.07 | Ragan | directhex|work, ahh okay, thanks. I'm running rapidly out of disc space =) |
| 11:20.25 | kyrios_ | dondelelcaro: now i understood! |
| 11:20.38 | ep | ok i'm adding it to _all_ 3 lines after main |
| 11:20.53 | citral | not to security |
| 11:21.13 | directhex|work | Ragan, flac input support on oggenc is a compile-time option, apparently |
| 11:21.37 | directhex|work | Ragan, dunno if it's enabled on the debian packages, checking |
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| 11:23.33 | directhex|work | Ragan, vorbis-tools depends on libflac6, so i presume it's compiled in |
| 11:23.37 | citral | the changelog indicates it's compiled against libflac-dev |
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| 11:23.49 | directhex|work | the changelog! why didn't i think to look in there -_- |
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| 11:23.53 | Ragan | directhex|work, great, thanks a lot mate |
| 11:24.00 | bit0 | hi!, anyone has a multifunction HP-PSC-1315? |
| 11:24.13 | citral | err, liboggflac-dev |
| 11:24.18 | directhex|work | i have an angry goat named frederick. any use? |
| 11:24.21 | jelly | Hi, why does base-files depend on "awk", not something like mawk | awk? |
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| 11:24.51 | jm_ | jelly: because gawk and mawk both provide awk |
| 11:24.57 | alexscott | plop |
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| 11:25.29 | larsl | Has anyone got gphoto2 working in Sarge? |
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| 11:25.49 | jelly | jm_: yeah, but if I were stupid and deinstalled base-files, and tried to install it with apt, it wouldn't know which real package to use to provide the virtual one, would it? |
| 11:26.00 | DaveMurray | c ya, mates |
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| 11:26.12 | DaveMurray | thx for the help |
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| 11:26.34 | jelly | jm_: like with m-t-a dependencies, almost every package uses something like exim4 | m-t-a |
| 11:26.41 | citral | I still can't understand why a package like proxycheck, which has only one bug report: immediate segfault, is still in sarge :| |
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| 11:26.45 | sep | bit0: no i thin kyou were the onlyone they could trick into buying thatone |
| 11:26.45 | drac | larsl: yep, using gtkam. |
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| 11:26.55 | jm_ | jelly: it would |
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| 11:27.11 | bit0 | sep, sure!, it was so cheap... irresistible! |
| 11:27.12 | sep | bit0: or seriously just ask and if someone knows maybe they'll answer |
| 11:27.57 | bit0 | i can scan (fast and high quality) but can't print (HP-PSC-1315) |
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| 11:28.35 | larsl | drac: I keep getting "('Unspecified error'): Could not query kernel driver of device." when I try to download files. Both in gtkam and using gphoto2 directly. |
| 11:28.42 | citral | bit0: linuxprinting.org |
| 11:28.54 | sep | bit0: also sating what error message you get and how your trying to print sometimes help. nobody in here are mind readers |
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| 11:29.09 | sep | and i am not even able to type correctly.. |
| 11:29.21 | citral | !typosmite sep |
| 11:29.40 | jelly | jm_: how come, apt knows to choose "required" mawk instead of "optional" alternatives? |
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| 11:29.59 | sep | citral: that was quite understandable |
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| 11:30.00 | citral | because it has super cows power! |
| 11:30.02 | jm_ | jelly: yes, priorities |
| 11:30.11 | transgress | brb must restart x |
| 11:30.13 | jelly | jm_: so, it's ok to just put "awk" in my package? thanks. |
| 11:30.24 | jm_ | jelly: yes, as long as it works with both versions of awk! |
| 11:30.30 | jelly | it does. |
| 11:30.36 | jm_ | then it will be fine |
| 11:30.40 | Noid | what is the tool for a wireless card to automatically detect available networks? |
| 11:30.56 | bit0 | citral, ptal-init setup do not detect the usb-printer |
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| 11:31.03 | petemc | Noid: iwlist |
| 11:31.05 | s-toned | is there a diagnostic tool/software/programme to find out where the pc is slow, and why? |
| 11:31.05 | s-toned | Porspect sounds good,but complains about oprofile which won't run |
| 11:31.14 | citral | bit0: did you modprobe usblp? |
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| 11:31.19 | Noid | petemc: in wireless-tools i assume? |
| 11:31.31 | Noid | petemc: yep, thanks |
| 11:31.50 | sep | s-toned: i usualy start with 'top' |
| 11:31.54 | citral | s-toned: try "top", first |
| 11:31.56 | bit0 | citral, lsmod | grep usblp usblp 13120 0 |
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| 11:33.18 | citral | bit0: try lsusb now |
| 11:33.50 | bit0 | citral, Bus 003 Device 003: ID 03f0:3f11 Hewlett-Packard PSC-1315 |
| 11:34.04 | citral | sounds good, you want to use what, cups? |
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| 11:34.38 | citral | I guess "anything that would make it work" |
| 11:34.50 | bit0 | citral, sure! |
| 11:35.08 | bit0 | cups doesn't detect printer |
| 11:35.11 | citral | bit0: so did you go on linuxprinting.org and checked for your printer? |
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| 11:38.03 | short1 | anyone else have probs with wvdial 1.54.0-1.1 |
| 11:38.12 | citral | yeah |
| 11:38.23 | citral | works only as user, but not as root for me |
| 11:38.24 | bit0 | citral, i user hpijs |
| 11:38.44 | bit0 | citral, i use hpijs |
| 11:38.53 | short1 | no serial error? |
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| 11:39.22 | citral | something like /dev/ttyS0: cannot set information for blablabla |
| 11:39.27 | brosio | anyone known a program to modulate voice on real time on linux ? |
| 11:39.37 | short1 | thats him |
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| 11:39.55 | short1 | actually nup cant get serial |
| 11:39.56 | citral | short1: did you try as normal user? |
| 11:40.09 | short1 | nup as root |
| 11:40.29 | citral | short1: please try it, so if you have the same problem I will fill a bug report |
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| 11:41.07 | citral | short1: as normal user, do "wvdialconf ~/.wvdialrc |
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| 11:42.10 | short1 | ran wvconf and complained same thing. Ran setserial same thing |
| 11:42.24 | short1 | downgraded an alls well |
| 11:42.36 | michal_ | bob2: hi, are you here at the moment? |
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| 11:45.10 | short1 | have never got wvdial to work as user |
| 11:45.25 | citral | bit0: it _looks like_ you have to use the hpoj drivers |
| 11:45.47 | ep | For java I did "apt-get install java-package". Next, should I do three extra steps as described here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Java-Debian |
| 11:46.04 | citral | short1: never before, but yesterday I could it getting work only as regular user, very strange. |
| 11:46.42 | short1 | all the better is it 1.54.0-1.1 or -1.0 |
| 11:46.53 | s-toned | citral: top (slmon is also nice) doesn't help. The system is not under sustained heavy load. According to top everything would be fine. But it feels a bit 'sluggish' or 'sticky'. |
| 11:47.02 | citral | (I use it only once every two month, so it was probably upgraded) I check |
| 11:47.18 | short1 | lucky you :) |
| 11:47.25 | bit0 | citral, sure |
| 11:47.31 | citral | s-toned: next step could be "free -h" |
| 11:47.48 | s-toned | 176 mb (51%) free |
| 11:47.49 | citral | free -m I mean |
| 11:47.51 | Lars | i got irq trouble on my debian 2.4.23 with 3 nics and one isdn card. Does Debian share irq's right ? |
| 11:47.51 | ep | also, apt-get install is listing suggested and recomended additional packages. Which one of these has a higher prioroty? |
| 11:48.18 | citral | Wvdial Version: 1.54.0-1.1 for me |
| 11:48.24 | bit0 | citral, but ptail-init setup doesn't detect printer |
| 11:48.43 | short1 | yep thats the problem one. |
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| 11:49.00 | citral | bit0: I don't understand... you said you use hpijs, but it's not the same as hpoj is it? |
| 11:50.44 | citral | short1: the problem being for me, that I wasn't sure if I made something wrong or not. That seems to confirm there's a problem with this version |
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| 11:51.22 | short1 | bug for 1.54 and libwvstreams. only seems for slmodem users at this stage |
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| 11:53.32 | citral | what a handy bug report... #294804 subject: can't find modem. description: empty :| |
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| 11:53.39 | bit0 | citral, from "linuxprinting.org" " Scanning works using the HPOJ low-level driver together with its SANE backend "hpoj". However, note that when using the current version (0.9) you can only scan, and when you don't use HPOJ at all you can only print. To fix this so you can both print and scan, you MUST install libusb and upgrade to the CVS version of HPOJ." |
| 11:53.47 | ep | suppose I'm want a package (i.e. libcurl), so I try apt-get install libcurl as well as lib-curl and the package can't be found. How do I search for something close? |
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| 11:54.12 | citral | bit0: you can say you have luck :) |
| 11:54.34 | benjamindees | ep, apt-cache search libperl |
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| 11:54.46 | citral | no, apt-cache search libcurl |
| 11:54.47 | benjamindees | ep, er, libcurl :) |
| 11:54.54 | ep | thx |
| 11:55.08 | citral | et hop, libcurl3 |
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| 11:55.36 | ht990332 | hi where can I find a frontend for apt-get that I can compile myself othey than synaptic? |
| 11:55.46 | directhex|work | why are you compiling it yourself? |
| 11:55.56 | SlayerXP | ht990332: what is this "compile" thing of which you speak?> |
| 11:56.19 | ledet | directhex|work: omg! ffs! he is teh leet compilorz! to be optimizink machine! k thx! much better than binary packages |
| 11:56.21 | ledet | directhex|work: :) |
| 11:56.38 | directhex|work | ledet, yes. compile0x. |
| 11:56.49 | ht990332 | I just want something other than synaptic. any sugestions? |
| 11:57.00 | short1 | if your keen compile kde has a apt-front end |
| 11:57.08 | directhex|work | gnome-apt sucks, aptitude is a pain. just use apt-get in a terminal |
| 11:57.08 | ledet | ht990332: well... not really... never used anything other than just apt-get |
| 11:57.14 | directhex|work | and _don't_ compile anything yourself |
| 11:57.19 | Lars | networkcard installed properly and cable is connected but no conecction at all ???? |
| 11:57.24 | benjamindees | aptitude |
| 11:57.40 | citral | directhex|work: come down, it's worth compiling the kernel and mplayer on a G3... |
| 11:57.40 | short1 | ifup eth0 |
| 11:57.54 | Lars | eth0 is up and has also ip address |
| 11:57.56 | ledet | directhex|work: unless of course he makes a package out of it... still... if someone else already compiled it, it would be a waste of time |
| 11:58.02 | ht990332 | benjamindees: where do I find the source code for aptitute? |
| 11:58.16 | directhex|work | ht990332, apt-get source aptitude. _WHY_ do you want source for it? |
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| 11:58.31 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 11:58.43 | Lars | short1, if i tace my ISDn card out it works |
| 11:59.03 | benjamindees | ht990332, apt-get source aptitude |
| 11:59.13 | debian | ROOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 11:59.27 | directhex|work | RUUUUUUUUUUX has landed! |
| 11:59.31 | directhex|work | sorry. ¬_¬ |
| 11:59.34 | ledet | shiyee: plz to give rewt! |
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| 11:59.53 | ledet | aaah.... much better |
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| 12:00.18 | rux | hello. does anybody know the reason why xmodmap -pke gives me a .Xmodmap without @ or ² ³ and so on? |
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| 12:00.41 | ep | For instance, I do apt-cache search bzflag and find a couple of packages. However, it doesn't give me version info. How do i determine this? |
| 12:00.51 | citral | ep: apt-cache show |
| 12:00.55 | ep | apt-get is cool |
| 12:01.07 | citral | type apt-get moo! |
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| 12:02.43 | wferi | Hi! sth is wrong with the USB support on my nforce2 mobo. cat /proc/bus/usb/devices (for example) stucks in D state indefinitely. Any ideas? |
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| 12:03.12 | SlayerXP | wferi: what does that have to do with debian? |
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| 12:03.33 | wferi | SlayerXP: it's happening under Sarge. |
| 12:03.41 | bob2 | michal_: ? |
| 12:03.44 | SlayerXP | wferi: so? |
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| 12:04.21 | wferi | SlayerXP: excuse me for this, I can't give better reasons. |
| 12:04.33 | citral | wferi: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 12:04.48 | wferi | citral: no, it's 2.6.8 offical image. |
| 12:05.14 | citral | hmmm pretty annoying. what else doesn't work? |
| 12:06.03 | wferi | I discovered it by discover video hanging, making xserver uninstallable. Everything else seems to work, I haven't tested audio yet. |
| 12:06.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart spamd for being slow scantime=84.3,size=1693 |
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| 12:06.23 | ep | apt-get moo! |
| 12:06.24 | citral | wferi: Can you actually use any usb device? |
| 12:06.25 | ep | ? |
| 12:07.10 | wferi | citral: let me check it now... |
| 12:07.22 | citral | wferi: may come from faulty hardware, I'd suggest you first have an attentive look at dmesg, then /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log etc. |
| 12:07.22 | MobyTurbo | ep: I'd show you but I'd get kicked for flooding. ;-) |
| 12:07.26 | SlayerXP | FieldySnuts: i've seen that when using razor/pyzor |
| 12:07.33 | SlayerXP | FieldySnuts: some dns lookups take _ages_ |
| 12:08.02 | wferi | citral: I didn't notice anything in the logs. |
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| 12:08.56 | citral | sorry, got to go |
| 12:09.01 | wferi | citral: dmesg says things like usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 3 |
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| 12:09.06 | kleber_sousa | alguém do brasil para eu pedir uma dica |
| 12:09.17 | FieldySnuts | SlayerXP: all my dns timeouts are 1 second, then it tries the next dns server (total of 3, one being local), so it ain't that. but yeah once in a while, it really really bogs down |
| 12:09.39 | benjamindees | wferi, 2.6 kernels do odd things with usb support; try a different version, 2.6.7 maybe |
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| 12:11.10 | wferi | benjamindees: the same kernel works with a different mobo. I will give 2.6.10 a try, maybe. |
| 12:11.38 | benjamindees | wferi, 2.6.8 fixed some things on an athlon of mine, but supposedly broke things on other mbs |
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| 12:13.56 | wferi | benjamindees: both my test machines have athlon CPUs... Thanks for the tip, anyways. |
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| 12:14.34 | ep | Blackdown or Sun Java. Any general consensus or does it "just depend"? |
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| 12:15.56 | ep | Should I create a debian package to install them or just do it by hand? |
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| 12:16.41 | MobyTurbo | ep: Sun Java is faster and more up to date, blackdown is apt-getable. For Sun Java, apt-get java-package. /msg dpkg java |
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| 12:20.01 | joa | hello, im running woody and im looking for a waz to configure my new printer, it seems that im using lpr and that cups is not installed, what is the prefered way to manage printers in debian woodyß? |
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| 12:20.17 | jm_ | use whatever works for you |
| 12:20.33 | joa | okay, but give me some examples |
| 12:20.40 | jm_ | examples of what? |
| 12:20.48 | joa | programs to manage the printers |
| 12:21.06 | joa | its a machine im helping one guy with |
| 12:21.21 | markybob | i have a package with a bad postrm script. dpkg exits when trying to remove it. anyway i can make dpkg just forget about the postrm script? force-all didnt do the trick. |
| 12:21.23 | bit0 | citral, lsusb detect usb printer, but ptal-init setup doesn't work |
| 12:21.26 | joa | there is allready a hp printer installed, but now we want to setup a new printer |
| 12:21.28 | jm_ | ahh, CUPS, lprng and so on |
| 12:21.54 | bodq | markybob: try to fix the script |
| 12:22.08 | bodq | markybob: i've had this issue with --purge and hotplug |
| 12:22.14 | joa | I doent have cups or lprng installed, but I have lpr installed |
| 12:22.34 | joa | what im looking for is a nice management interface to lpr, to add a printer, select the driver etc |
| 12:22.49 | joa | the printer is supported according to linuxprinting.org |
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| 12:23.20 | bodq | joa, why not install cups? |
| 12:23.43 | joa | so I have found an interface called printing manager from kde |
| 12:23.53 | joa | bodq: im thinking of installing cups |
| 12:24.06 | joa | bodq: but would like to know if I could use one of the existing tools on this computer |
| 12:24.10 | joa | without adding more stuff |
| 12:24.26 | short1 | more is good |
| 12:24.30 | joa | ha ha |
| 12:24.38 | joa | less is better .. I use it all the time |
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| 12:24.51 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war |
| 12:24.52 | jm_ | CUPS can also provide lpr, so that doesn't mean much |
| 12:24.53 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 12:25.04 | FieldySnuts | hm, less and more are pagers, any others? |
| 12:25.14 | jm_ | most |
| 12:25.48 | jm_ | then there's kpager and jless, fbpager, bbpager |
| 12:25.48 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: view |
| 12:25.49 | bodq | FieldySnuts: cat |
| 12:25.59 | joa | okay I would like to run the kde printmgr as root, how do I do that |
| 12:26.06 | joa | if im root and start it from a shell I get |
| 12:26.13 | joa | cannot connet to X server |
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| 12:26.33 | jm_ | joa: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg sux |
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| 12:27.01 | joa | hmm ill trz gksu |
| 12:27.33 | Penix | gary: ofcourse it works straight away. it's just a normal mouse to debian |
| 12:27.43 | bodq | jm_: [fb]bpager isn't the thing |
| 12:27.48 | Penix | s/debian/anything/ |
| 12:27.57 | bodq | jm_: it's desktop pager or something |
| 12:27.59 | gary | Penix: the receiver is the thing that does all the work then |
| 12:28.00 | jm_ | bodq: I just ran apt-cache search pager ;) |
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| 12:28.18 | gary | Penix: just sends the co-ordinates down the line |
| 12:28.22 | bodq | jm_: kpager also |
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| 12:28.29 | gary | my mouse takes batteries |
| 12:28.45 | gary | I would have preferred a docked mouse, but they were too expensive |
| 12:28.49 | fpmc | hi. I recently had a hard-disk failure and cannot log back on. I put in my rescue CD, mount the drive, and find that A LOT of files are missing. What can I do?? |
| 12:28.54 | bodq | gary: my granma takes pills. so what? :) |
| 12:29.16 | bodq | fpmc: define A LOT |
| 12:29.24 | gary | lol bodq, i like to type to myself :D |
| 12:29.26 | fpmc | bodq the entire "home" directory is missing |
| 12:29.30 | fpmc | and "etc" too |
| 12:29.32 | joa | hmm I think ill just install cups |
| 12:29.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war? |
| 12:29.36 | ravenbird | it isn't a debate that view is better than more!@$ |
| 12:29.42 | FieldySnuts | yay. |
| 12:29.47 | bodq | fpmc: is it missing or is it empty? |
| 12:29.53 | FieldySnuts | of course there's other entries. |
| 12:29.55 | fpmc | bodq: missing |
| 12:30.03 | fpmc | bodq: 'etc' and 'home' are both missing |
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| 12:30.35 | bodq | fpmc: sorry HTG |
| 12:30.47 | fpmc | HTG? |
| 12:30.53 | bodq | fpmc: have to go |
| 12:31.19 | fpmc | can anyone give suggestions to my problem?? please?? I lost 2 years worth of data |
| 12:31.39 | FieldySnuts | only to have backups in the future, sheesh |
| 12:31.42 | benjamindees | fpmc, you're sure they're not on separate partitions or something |
| 12:31.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war? |
| 12:31.51 | ravenbird | you all know that view is better than most!@$ |
| 12:32.00 | fpmc | benjamindees I don't have a separate partition.... |
| 12:32.02 | FieldySnuts | not giving the interesting ones yet, oh well |
| 12:32.51 | benjamindees | fpmc, there's a howto somewhere on recovering files on ext2 partitions |
| 12:33.17 | fpmc | benjamindees thanks I'll go take a look |
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| 12:33.53 | davis | hello |
| 12:34.15 | davis | i am trying to install debian via cdrom on a new computer. |
| 12:34.40 | davis | after I finish formating the root partition, the installer tries to mount the root partition. |
| 12:34.49 | short1 | fpmc http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/recover/ |
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| 12:34.53 | davis | as soon as it does the mount, it segfaults. |
| 12:34.56 | davis | any idea why? |
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| 12:35.45 | DaveMurray | good morning, mates |
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| 12:36.37 | ep | dpkg talks smack on java, "write once run nowhere" :) |
| 12:36.51 | FieldySnuts | nice |
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| 12:41.56 | markybob | i'm trying to compile a 32-bit library on a 64-bit system. i'm using -m32, but how do i tell gcc to search for lpthread in /lib32/ instead of /lib or /usr/lib? |
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| 12:43.05 | jotham | how do i get SSH to set an environment variable on the remote system when i log into it? i have tried to create a <local machine>$HOME/.ssh/environment file like 'man ssh' suggests, but no luck (i have root on both local and remote systems) |
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| 12:43.25 | FieldySnuts | jotham: I think the server has to have PermitUserEnvironment or something set up |
| 12:43.28 | Paloseco | hi |
| 12:43.28 | ledet | jotham: you could just do it in your .bashrc |
| 12:43.29 | davis | i used a older cdrom set and it works. very odd. |
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| 12:43.37 | jotham | FieldySnuts: yeah i set it up |
| 12:43.44 | Paloseco | debian sid can only be installed from woody? |
| 12:43.48 | FieldySnuts | jotham: ok.. dunno then :x |
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| 12:43.58 | Pappa | hey you guys |
| 12:44.07 | FieldySnuts | jotham: you did of course restart sshd after editing the config, i hope |
| 12:44.08 | jotham | ledet: no that isn't suitable, as i need the incomming ssh session to differentiate itself depending on a few local-system things |
| 12:44.14 | directhex|work | Paloseco, no, wrong. |
| 12:44.16 | Pappa | you know how grub is supposed to show a menu instead of just bringing up the shell? |
| 12:44.18 | jotham | FieldySnuts: *nod* /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:44.23 | ledet | jotham: ah |
| 12:44.38 | directhex|work | Paloseco, it can be installed from sarge as well. or, rumour has it, some sid install cds exist, for d-i testing purposes |
| 12:44.46 | Paloseco | directhex thanks, |
| 12:45.53 | short1 | pappa: yes? and |
| 12:45.56 | jotham | this is really frustraiting |
| 12:45.56 | benjamindees | Paloseco, somebody said you can choose expert install on the sarge cds to get sid |
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| 12:46.36 | directhex|work | you certainly could on the old sarge betas (beta 4, tc1) |
| 12:46.37 | short1 | benjamindees: just have to choose sid when configuring apt |
| 12:46.46 | jotham | can i su to a user without running their default shell from /etc/passwd? |
| 12:46.46 | torc | how do i install a minimal X system? x-window-system-core? |
| 12:46.52 | jotham | (from root) |
| 12:46.55 | xk | jotham: su without -? |
| 12:46.57 | Pappa | short1: knwo how i can get one of these? it seems to ignore my menu.lst |
| 12:46.59 | Paloseco | i am going to buy the 12 CD sid to install it offline |
| 12:47.16 | Pappa | know* |
| 12:47.20 | directhex|work | Paloseco, that's stupid. sid changes daily, and sarge is already more than 12 cds, so you're missing random bits |
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| 12:47.33 | directhex|work | Paloseco, if you don't know what you're doing (and you don't), use sarge |
| 12:47.46 | short1 | pappa: explain again |
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| 12:48.13 | xk | 10.2 gigs for sid, hrm. |
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| 12:48.32 | Paloseco | i love debian but the 3.0r4 comes with very outdated packages, i just want actual ones like the ones that come with Fedora |
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| 12:49.06 | benjamindees | Paloseco, you should use testing unless you're doing Debian development |
| 12:49.26 | short1 | baaaah |
| 12:49.31 | Pappa | short1: when i boot, i'm taken directly into the grub shell |
| 12:49.44 | Pappa | short1: instead of showing me that nice menu thingie |
| 12:49.50 | short1 | pappa: have knoppix |
| 12:49.53 | xk | Pappa: no menu.lst? |
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| 12:50.02 | benjamindees | Paloseco, there's actually not much difference between testing and sid |
| 12:50.03 | Pappa | xk: there is a menu.lst |
| 12:50.03 | Paloseco | benjamindees ok, i have got your idea |
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| 12:50.22 | xk | Pappa: have access to the file right now? |
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| 12:50.36 | Pappa | xk: yes |
| 12:50.44 | xk | Pappa: dcc send it this way. I'll see what's wrong. |
| 12:51.04 | harlin | anyone have any trouble with sarge install freezing on usb module loading? |
| 12:51.06 | Pappa | xk: sure |
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| 12:51.13 | harlin | got a great big seg fault |
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| 12:51.28 | xk | segfault or kernel oops? |
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| 12:51.40 | harlin | dont think it was kernel |
| 12:51.45 | harlin | init came up mostly |
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| 12:52.07 | harlin | then again i got lots of zeros and such ;-) |
| 12:52.23 | xk | paste a line ;) |
| 12:52.41 | harlin | i would but ah done went & put mdk over it |
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| 12:52.59 | xk | ahhh... during installation... hrm. |
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| 12:53.02 | harlin | ive seen a few postings here and there on google about it but no real solutions |
| 12:53.13 | harlin | kinda disappointing |
| 12:53.23 | harlin | really wanted to use debian :( |
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| 12:53.28 | harlin | especially apt-get |
| 12:53.32 | xk | what usb devices do you have connected? |
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| 12:53.45 | xk | tried woody installation and upgrade from there? |
| 12:53.46 | harlin | mouse... usb drive |
| 12:53.49 | harlin | about it |
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| 12:53.52 | xk | define usb drive. |
| 12:53.58 | harlin | yeah just didnt know what the hell i was doing |
| 12:54.10 | harlin | usb drive = seagate drive |
| 12:54.12 | harlin | 120gb |
| 12:54.16 | xk | hm... |
| 12:54.36 | xk | I wouldn't trust external usb drives. |
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| 12:54.38 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 12:54.42 | DaveMurray | what to do if grub is broken ??? |
| 12:54.42 | xk | seems problematic; better off using firewire. |
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| 12:54.43 | harlin | i forgot to upgrade kernel to 2.6 and didnt get the X working |
| 12:54.59 | harlin | would if i had firewire ;-) |
| 12:55.00 | xk | DaveMurray: and how is it broken? |
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| 12:55.04 | ep | Can i use make-jpkg for either Sun's JRE or JDK. Or must I use the JDK? |
| 12:55.08 | short1 | davemurry: reinstall it |
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| 12:55.20 | DaveMurray | teh b0x0r hangs up , and i don't know what to do |
| 12:55.27 | xk | so doesn't boot at all? |
| 12:55.32 | Paloseco | thanks guys |
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| 12:55.33 | Pappa | xk: wtf i dropped out when i dcc's you |
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| 12:55.35 | DaveMurray | no |
| 12:55.38 | xk | so what does it do |
| 12:55.42 | Pappa | damnit i lag |
| 12:55.54 | DaveMurray | i'll try lilo |
| 12:55.59 | DaveMurray | f.e. |
| 12:56.12 | Pappa | it's like nothing happens, 60 lines printed to screen, nothing happens, 60 lines blah blah |
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| 12:56.42 | xk | Pappa: and hda1 is /boot ? |
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| 12:57.22 | Pappa | xk: yes |
| 12:57.22 | short1 | davemurry changed nothing |
| 12:57.26 | Pappa | hda4 is root |
| 12:57.32 | xk | Pappa: hrm... it looks good to me. |
| 12:57.33 | michal_ | bob2: argh.. i missed your response.. still here? |
| 12:57.52 | DaveMurray | ^^ |
| 12:58.07 | xk | Pappa: /exec -m xk ls -la /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:58.09 | short1 | pappa: try reinstall with knoppix if got |
| 12:59.06 | xk | knoppix never worked on my old computer... no idea why. |
| 12:59.11 | coekie | where could I find a package containing gpg-agent, for sid? I used to use the packages from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/alpha/aegypten/debian, the gpgsm package there has it, but they're old. And the gpgsm package in sid doesn't have it. searching on packages.debian.org doesn't give any useful result either |
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| 12:59.40 | xk | Pappa: hrm... looks ok to me. |
| 12:59.46 | jeanmi_ | anyone in Luxembourg here ? |
| 12:59.58 | Pappa | short1: i just did it from a gentoo livecd |
| 13:00.11 | xk | Pappa: did you... hrm... mess around with grub... ie: had it installed onto another partition? |
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| 13:00.21 | xk | coekie: /msg dpkg find gpg-agent sid |
| 13:00.31 | xk | or bin/gpg-agent. |
| 13:00.32 | short1 | dunno bout gentto but knoppix just #grub |
| 13:00.49 | Pappa | xk: always in hda (mbr) |
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| 13:01.18 | xk | Pappa: no idea why it's not working. |
| 13:01.30 | Pappa | well |
| 13:01.37 | short1 | >root (hd0,2) or your partions-grubs starts at 0 |
| 13:01.46 | Pappa | when i install i use this: |
| 13:01.48 | xk | Pappa: when it boots up try: config_file (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:01.51 | short1 | setup (hd0) |
| 13:01.56 | short1 | quit |
| 13:01.59 | Pappa | root (hd0,0) |
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| 13:02.03 | Pappa | setup (hd0) |
| 13:02.06 | Pappa | short1: did it |
| 13:02.16 | short1 | sweet |
| 13:02.24 | coekie | xk: hmm, oh, thanks. (and I wonder why http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gpg-agent&version=unstable doesn't show that) |
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| 13:02.29 | ep | Sun is going to go broke confusing thier patrons like this:) |
| 13:02.41 | xk | coekie: because my bot is better than that script ;) |
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| 13:03.30 | michal_ | don't suppose anyone knows if these work under linux? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20319&item=5761225743&rd=1 |
| 13:04.08 | xk | michal_: massively long cards ;) |
| 13:04.10 | Pappa | xk: just did "configfile .." in the grub shell, works fine |
| 13:04.18 | xk | you mean under linux, on x86/intel hardware? |
| 13:04.27 | michal_ | yes |
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| 13:07.10 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:07.34 | elephantman | Why processes on a computer don't use 100% of CPU power when available ? |
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| 13:07.54 | SlayerXP | elephantman: because the scheduler won't let them |
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| 13:08.02 | markybob | elephantman, lots of reasons...like waiting on i/o |
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| 13:09.08 | elephantman | SlayerXP: ok i am gonna document myself this way |
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| 13:10.09 | elephantman | markybob: you mean "roads" thats access CPU can have too much traffic, even if CPU is only working at 2% of its total power ? |
| 13:12.03 | xk | michal_: most probably wouldn't work as there is no driver. |
| 13:12.03 | markybob | elephantman, that's one way of putting it. ram/hd, etc |
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| 13:12.03 | xk | michal_: there's a quad sun ethernet driver... but no hp. |
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| 13:12.03 | elephantman | markybob: oh ok i understand |
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| 13:12.04 | elephantman | markybob: thanx |
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| 13:12.14 | nashirak | I hoping that someone in here might know a little bit about ffmpeg. I am trying to encode mulitple images into an mpeg at a framerate of 1 fps (by doing ffmpeg -i %d.jpg -r 1 my_movie.mpg), but I keep getting an error like MPEG1/2 doesnt support 5/1 fps. Has anyone had any experience encoding stuff at this low of a rate, or see something I am doing wrong? (Sorry if this isnt the place to ask this) |
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| 13:12.17 | Pappa | still no go with grub |
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| 13:12.17 | jetscreamer | bob2, someday you and i should have a discussion about using nuclear weapons to scratch an itch |
| 13:12.18 | xk | michal_: although... I'm sure e100 driver supports it "internally", somehow, for dual port cards... so I dunno... |
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| 13:12.27 | Pappa | but if i issue ``configfile (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst'' it shows the menu just fine |
| 13:12.30 | xk | but I doubt it would work. |
| 13:13.06 | markybob | nashirak, dont know about ffmpeg, but if you wanna give this a try http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Illustrated_Examples |
| 13:13.10 | jetscreamer | so: neither gmix nor kmix save settings. anybody? |
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| 13:13.31 | michal_ | there don't seem to be any affordable quad port ethernet adapters available in australia :/ |
| 13:13.52 | xk | australia is full of sharks. |
| 13:14.19 | joa | hi, im trying to setup my printer with cups |
| 13:14.19 | joa | and im having problem |
| 13:14.19 | benjamindees | nashirak, probably the mpeg standard only allows certain framerates; avi or a non lossy format would be better for this sort of thing |
| 13:14.19 | michal_ | no it isn't.. sharks aren't land dwelling creatures |
| 13:14.23 | joa | first the model/driver is not available out of the box with cups |
| 13:14.30 | ep | Guys, I'm almost there with Sun's java. I ran make-jpkg as fake root. Then step 2, I ran "dpkg -i jdk*.deb. (No error) So now how do I determine the package name to use for step 3, apt-get install? |
| 13:14.31 | joa | so I got a ppd from linuxprinting.org |
| 13:14.43 | joa | and I place it in /etc/cups/ppd |
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| 13:14.54 | joa | but it does not show up in cups webinterface |
| 13:14.56 | joa | :( |
| 13:15.03 | joa | anyone know what might be wrong |
| 13:15.09 | FieldySnuts | @lart exim[5467]: 2005-03-22 08:15:27 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=p5081af98.dip.t-dialin.net [80.129.175.152] input="HELO localhost\r\n" |
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| 13:15.16 | nashirak | benjamindess: Ok thx |
| 13:15.25 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
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| 13:15.39 | nashirak | markybob: Looks like transcode uses FFMPEG behind the scenes :) |
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| 13:15.48 | Pappa | joa: what printer? |
| 13:15.57 | markybob | nashirak, ah. hope that example helps, then. |
| 13:16.14 | daft | knows some one a nice documentaion for kernel optimization |
| 13:16.27 | benjamindees | nashirak, if you think about it, something like mpeg is completely useless at low frame rates |
| 13:16.28 | nashirak | markybob: Not really, but thx anyway... :) |
| 13:16.41 | Pappa | ep: there shouldn't be a step 3, you already installed it with dpkg |
| 13:16.54 | markybob | nashirak, you could always use mng...heh ;) |
| 13:16.55 | nashirak | benjamindees: It appears to me happly enocoding an MPEG4 (AVI) thx |
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| 13:17.05 | joa | Pappa: a HP Business inkjet 1200 |
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| 13:17.13 | Coke | benjamindees: you are not making any sense. |
| 13:17.21 | FieldySnuts | no he's right |
| 13:17.25 | joa | Pappa: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Business_Inkjet_1200 |
| 13:17.26 | Pappa | joa: good. (prayed for HP..) apt-get install hpijs |
| 13:17.30 | Coke | benjamindees: you cannot compare mpeg and avi |
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| 13:17.32 | benjamindees | Coke, come back when you understand what we're talking about |
| 13:17.34 | joa | Pappa: did that |
| 13:17.44 | Pappa | joa: and.. ? |
| 13:17.50 | joa | Pappa: nothing |
| 13:17.57 | Coke | benjamindees: you obviously don't understand the difference between codec and container |
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| 13:18.03 | benjamindees | Coke, ah, well, you get my meaning though |
| 13:18.05 | Pappa | it should show up as "Hewlett-Packard", but maybe you need to restart cups |
| 13:18.17 | joa | ill try and look |
| 13:18.22 | nashirak | markybob: MNGs are for webpages designed by kids that think they are cool when they have animation :) |
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| 13:18.32 | markybob | nashirak, it was a joke, friend :) |
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| 13:18.37 | FieldySnuts | nah that's flash |
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| 13:18.46 | Coke | benjamindees: no, because mpeg works well with low frame rates if you use a sane codec |
| 13:18.56 | nashirak | markybob: I know I was playing along :) |
| 13:19.01 | michal_ | might have to try importing a quad port ethernet card from the usa :/ |
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| 13:19.19 | benjamindees | Coke, and I meant raw avi, which is the only standard way I know of to wrap uncompressed frames |
| 13:19.22 | joa | Pappa: nothing named hewlet packard |
| 13:19.27 | joa | Pappa: onlz hp |
| 13:19.39 | jetscreamer | Pappa, hpoj also |
| 13:19.39 | FieldySnuts | benjamindees: I think you're being trolled |
| 13:19.39 | nashirak | benjamindees markybob: Thx for your helps guys |
| 13:19.43 | Pappa | jetscreamer: isnt hpoj for scanners? |
| 13:19.52 | Coke | FieldySnuts: indeed :) |
| 13:20.05 | Pappa | oh rightm officejet printers |
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| 13:20.15 | jetscreamer | Pappa, i think thats hpij |
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| 13:20.55 | jetscreamer | i still have to use w2k for a fax machine though |
| 13:20.55 | joa | Pappa: but its wird about why the ppd does not show up |
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| 13:21.17 | michal_ | quad ethernet pci cards are CHEAP in the usa :( australia sucks |
| 13:21.29 | xk | michal_: that's why I said .au is full of sharks ;) |
| 13:21.35 | Pappa | they cost 30$ in norway |
| 13:21.48 | ep | Pappa, I'm using the example outlined here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Java-Debian They give a step 3. |
| 13:22.26 | michal_ | they cost almost $300 in australia |
| 13:22.35 | xk | lol |
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| 13:22.45 | xk | sharks sharks sharks |
| 13:22.58 | xk | I have to import some shit from the US... but that's a future project. |
| 13:22.59 | ep | Anyway, I think I got ti |
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| 13:23.03 | ep | got it. |
| 13:23.04 | jetscreamer | wonder what the import taxes are |
| 13:23.07 | colde89 | is it possible to downgrade a distro ? |
| 13:23.14 | xk | jesc: 0$ if it's below 1000$US |
| 13:23.18 | jetscreamer | yes it's called lowlevel format |
| 13:23.19 | xk | jetscreamer rather. |
| 13:23.45 | jetscreamer | well heck need an import/export bidness |
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| 13:24.15 | michal_ | here there are import duties and a 10% tax |
| 13:24.28 | xk | I thought there weren't any. |
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| 13:24.46 | xk | hrm... |
| 13:24.51 | streuner_ | colde89: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 13:24.54 | xk | maybe some conflicting information... |
| 13:25.12 | michal_ | you thought wrong.. i've imported stuff and it costs.. then there's shipping.. that's pretty expesnive too.. and it will usually get lost.. |
| 13:25.34 | xk | :( |
| 13:25.38 | xk | that sucks. |
| 13:25.38 | michal_ | always use a courier.. not some crappy national mail service |
| 13:25.38 | Pappa | lol yeah toll sucks |
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| 13:25.57 | greycat | oh look. the *real* one this time. |
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| 13:26.01 | Pappa | michal_: in norway only the nation mail service is allowed |
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| 13:26.25 | Pappa | but from 1st jan 2006 that rule is gone so i hope mail gets cheaper |
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| 13:26.33 | markybob | yeah. who needs capitalism anyway? |
| 13:26.49 | Pappa | the USA does |
| 13:26.53 | FieldySnuts | #politics maybe |
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| 13:27.07 | michal_ | heh.. well when somethign was sent from the USA to Australia via the national postal services they sent it to the wrong place in australia.. then the right place in australia which returned it to the united states instead of notifying me and then it had to be resent.. |
| 13:27.48 | xk | lol |
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| 13:28.19 | Pappa | yeah +50% taxes and $80 shipping and handling |
| 13:28.35 | michal_ | anyway.. there seems to be a 1000% markup on things like quad port ethernet cards in Australia :/ |
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| 13:29.06 | Pappa | so 4 nics would be cheaper? lol |
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| 13:29.17 | michal_ | but 4 computers wouldn't |
| 13:29.27 | michal_ | and it would take up much more space too :/ |
| 13:29.35 | Pappa | 1 10/100 nic is at.. 6$ or something |
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| 13:29.59 | michal_ | 1 computer to go with the 1 port nic is around $300 - $400 at least |
| 13:30.17 | michal_ | and for 4 ports you then need 4 computers |
| 13:30.28 | Pappa | no you dont |
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| 13:30.33 | Pappa | really |
| 13:30.34 | Pappa | lol |
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| 13:30.39 | ep | Next is the nvida 3d drivers? Got a url or should I have a discussion with dpkg? |
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| 13:30.42 | markybob | anyone know of a doc that explains how to make a wrapper deb to install a 32bit library deb on a 64-bit system? like they did with ia32-libs |
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| 13:31.03 | Pappa | !nvidia-howto |
| 13:31.03 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. WARNING for the first link : NVIDIA's drivers aren't in Sarge anymore, you have to use Sid's (ask me about quick sid/sarge mix). when asked to choose, use NVDIST=unstable |
| 13:31.12 | benjamindees | michal_, what are you using, mini-itx boards? |
| 13:31.47 | michal_ | benj: planning on using an eden.. if that's powerfull enough.. it may not be.. don't know yet |
| 13:32.03 | greycat | markybob: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 13:33.57 | xeron | to run a command-line from a script with a / in the arguments how do I properly quote it in a bash script? |
| 13:34.46 | jetscreamer | how do you get the mixer to save settings |
| 13:34.59 | tony | davis, you there? |
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| 13:35.06 | streuner | jetscreamer: press (S) for save in aumix? |
| 13:35.10 | greycat | xeron: you don't need to |
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| 13:35.32 | greycat | xeron: consider: ls -l /etc/passwd |
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| 13:36.09 | jetscreamer | streuner, neither kmix nor gmix save settings is what i was trying to find |
| 13:37.17 | xeron | greycat- *slaps forehead* I got it... thanks. heh |
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| 13:38.10 | xk | michal_: how much did you pay for tax/duty? |
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| 13:38.31 | michal_ | xk: tax is always 10% and duty seems to vary |
| 13:38.44 | xk | you don't have to pay if total of tax/duty is below 50$ |
| 13:38.59 | michal_ | xk: shipping is usually almost $50 :) |
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| 13:39.05 | xk | heh |
| 13:39.16 | xk | yeah but shipping isn't included in it. |
| 13:39.27 | michal_ | yeah but you're not shipping anything cheap in |
| 13:39.44 | Pappa | fukken import counties with 10% taxes |
| 13:39.58 | xk | hrm... I wonder why I was told 1000$US worth can be imported without paying tax. |
| 13:40.09 | xk | where's the duty table? |
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| 13:40.34 | Coke | Pappa: 10%? HA! That's nothing. |
| 13:40.35 | davis | tony: yes i am here |
| 13:40.39 | davis | tony: how are you? |
| 13:40.47 | michal_ | there's a website.. but it's no guarantee you'll understand it correctly :/ they reserve the right to do whatever they want in the fineprint |
| 13:41.04 | xk | the goods I want don't even exist (the correct spec), let alone get sold, in .au |
| 13:41.16 | tony | davis, glad to see someone near my area , i havent made it to a meeting yet, but i plan on it soon |
| 13:41.19 | michal_ | coke: everything in australia has a flat 10% tax imposed on it |
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| 13:41.29 | tony | davis, im god and yourself? |
| 13:41.31 | xk | michal_: minus fresh food :) |
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| 13:41.37 | Coke | michal_: everything here is 25 |
| 13:41.42 | tony | god/good |
| 13:41.43 | Pappa | say you import a car |
| 13:41.45 | michal_ | xk: well consider yourself lucky.. the goods I want don't exist anywhere in the world :/ |
| 13:41.47 | Pappa | 25 cheap |
| 13:41.57 | xk | and wine/alcohol have 30% tax... and fuel is like 100%? cigarettes is like 80% tax |
| 13:41.58 | Coke | 25% |
| 13:42.05 | michal_ | coke: yes.. but you have a proper welfare system :) |
| 13:42.20 | Pappa | and the impport tax is 50% + 25$ per bHP |
| 13:42.28 | Pappa | so in reality you save 0 |
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| 13:43.28 | davis | tony: yes, trilug if good. glad to meet you God. Hope I have been good. |
| 13:43.47 | Coke | Hehe. Alcohol is > 100% here. |
| 13:43.56 | Coke | Pappa: norway? |
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| 13:44.15 | BlackSunSystems | alcohols always >100% if u drink enough of it |
| 13:44.15 | michal_ | yeah well alcohol seems almost illegal there |
| 13:44.21 | Coke | michal_: we don't have that welfare system anymore |
| 13:44.30 | michal_ | coke: compared to here you do |
| 13:44.32 | Coke | michal_: yet we are facing tax raises |
| 13:44.33 | SlayerXP | alcohol is perfectly legal in norway |
| 13:44.45 | michal_ | coke: i've been waiting over 5 years to have my wisdon teeth taken out |
| 13:44.46 | streuner | but pretty expensive |
| 13:44.47 | benjamindees | s/welfare/corporate welfare |
| 13:44.51 | michal_ | wisdom |
| 13:44.57 | SlayerXP | streuner: so's chocolate |
| 13:44.58 | xk | passenger motor vehicles and related items; |
| 13:44.58 | BlackSunSystems | alcohol is encouraged here :) |
| 13:45.05 | xk | that's exempt... so it would be ok for me :) |
| 13:45.07 | Coke | Alcolhol is only legal to buy from certain stores on certain days in Sweden. |
| 13:45.10 | xk | it's a related item! |
| 13:45.43 | Coke | michal_: actualy, dental stuff is NOT part of the welfare system in Sweden. |
| 13:45.56 | Coke | michal_: you can pull a tooth out here, but it'll cost you plenty. |
| 13:45.58 | michal_ | coke: this isn't dental.. it's almost emergency |
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| 13:46.09 | Coke | michal_: doesn't matter. if a dentist does it you pay the bill. |
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| 13:46.21 | greycat | "This is Ohio. If you don't have a brewski in your hand, you might as well be wearing a dress." |
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| 13:46.33 | Coke | greycat: sounds like mr carey |
| 13:46.36 | davis | tony: you know I am just joshing you, right? |
| 13:46.38 | michal_ | coke: it's not dental in the same way as having your face put back together after a car runs over it is not considered cosmetic surgery |
| 13:46.44 | greycat | Coke: nice guess, but no... |
| 13:46.49 | xk | ;) |
| 13:46.57 | tony | davis, yes |
| 13:47.00 | Coke | michal_: you would not be able to get a hopsital to remove unless it was life threatening |
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| 13:47.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! ravenbird has returned! |
| 13:47.55 | michal_ | coke: rubbish.. i happen to know a nurse who works in sweden.. in fact i stayed in here hous around 2 years ago. you're exhagerating |
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| 13:48.07 | joa | is there a hp printer which most hp printers can emulate? |
| 13:48.13 | Coke | michal_: no |
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| 13:49.00 | jm_ | joa: it's called PCL |
| 13:49.10 | Coke | michal_: how many times have you visited swedish hospitals? I used to skateboard and ride BMX, I bet you I have spent more time in the emergency than you have. |
| 13:49.15 | benjamindees | joa, laserjet II or an old PCL version |
| 13:49.19 | michal_ | coke: yes.. funny how i got public health cover when i was there without problem. |
| 13:49.39 | Coke | michal_: "without a problem" |
| 13:49.58 | Coke | michal_: what did you do? break a leg? |
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| 13:50.38 | streuner | Coke: he told you already, it was a nurse ;-) |
| 13:50.42 | michal_ | coke: no. i just had a certain problem and went to the doctor about it and the visit was covered. |
| 13:51.03 | Coke | michal_: yes, it's covered financially. but what is the quality? |
| 13:51.05 | Coke | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.05 | Coke | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.13 | Coke | oops |
| 13:51.16 | xk | ;) |
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| 13:51.48 | greycat | streuner: he broke a nurse? |
| 13:52.01 | streuner | greycat: hehe, no :-) |
| 13:52.02 | michal_ | coke: quality? you've got to be kidding. surgery in the slums of bangladesh is sually of better quality than in our hospitals lately :/ |
| 13:52.15 | Coke | michal_: I've had two major operations, dozens of visits to the emergency and > 100 visits to the local medical centres, do you really think you have more information than me on the subject? |
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| 13:52.30 | Coke | michal_: sorry. |
| 13:52.58 | Coke | michal_: I thought you were arguing the exquisite excellence of Swedish health care. :) |
| 13:53.29 | michal_ | no.. i was arguing that it's relatively speedy compared to australia |
| 13:53.51 | joa | benjamindees: ahh that seems to work, though very slow |
| 13:53.54 | michal_ | here it's almost as if it didn't exist.. you could die of old age before it's your turn |
| 13:54.04 | Coke | michal_: ofcourse, I have nothing else to compare with but how it _used_ to be in Sweden. Oh, and the public health care of Costa Rica, which is quite good considering. |
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| 13:54.27 | michal_ | i here Cuba has good health care :) |
| 13:54.29 | michal_ | hear |
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| 13:54.53 | greycat | michal_: but US citizens aren't supposed to know about it |
| 13:54.59 | greycat | michal_: because Cuba is "bad". |
| 13:55.09 | Coke | michal_: well, you don't pay as much taxes in Australia. |
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| 13:56.10 | Coke | michal_: I pay the highest taxes in the free world, yet I don't receive the best health care, education, etc. Sweden used to be a top country within Europe, today it is just another mediocre one. |
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| 13:56.31 | michal_ | Coke: it's all those damn immigrants.. it's always their fault |
| 13:56.49 | Coke | michal_: hardly. they provide more work and taxes than any other type of minority here. |
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| 13:57.16 | michal_ | coke: they're all terrorists! having you been watching the news? |
| 13:57.21 | michal_ | havn't |
| 13:57.47 | Coke | greycat: considering some cubans consider swimming across open water to the US an option tells me a lot about the condition in Cuba |
| 13:57.56 | Coke | condition OF |
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| 13:58.50 | Coke | Sweden would have to be in pretty bad shape before I'd considered swimming to Finland. :) |
| 13:58.51 | michal_ | Coke: plenty of people risk their lives to get into Sweden too |
| 13:58.53 | pipeline | Coke: The UN rates sweden as the most democratic nation on earth. It's also at the top of the quality of life ratings, you idiot. |
| 13:58.53 | cyzie | what happened to debian just now? |
| 13:59.07 | streuner | cyzie: what should happend to debian? |
| 13:59.15 | cyzie | i mean this channel |
| 13:59.25 | pipeline | Coke: Most of the people fleeing cuba have extremely wealthy relatives in Florida. Why be poor in Cuba when you can oppress Mexicans in Miami? |
| 13:59.39 | Coke | pipeline: simplification |
| 13:59.45 | streuner | cyzie: netsplits earlier... |
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| 14:00.13 | cyzie | ok |
| 14:00.15 | ep | what are netsplits? |
| 14:00.25 | streuner | !netsplits |
| 14:00.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, netsplits is teh suck |
| 14:00.32 | Coke | pipeline: and those ratings must be a decade old. yes, we are extremely democratic and we have a welfare system that is very generous towards the very weakest. however, trying to be above avarage is pretty darn difficult. |
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| 14:00.48 | streuner | ep: servers which connected have problems |
| 14:00.50 | Coke | pipeline: it was just last year that sweden fell from second to seventh place in general education in Europe |
| 14:01.23 | pipeline | Coke: You don't know what it's like in the U.S. You just don't. There's no social safety net. |
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| 14:01.35 | Coke | pipeline: I'm not comparing with developing countries. ;) |
| 14:01.42 | Coke | I'm generally comparing with the rest of Europe. |
| 14:01.43 | directhex|work | is there a handy list of dfsg-friendly licenses somewhere? |
| 14:01.56 | jharrisonwk | maybe you guys should go to cuba before you start talking about it |
| 14:02.08 | moshii | hmm the topic says kde 3.4 isn't packaged yet .. but the debian kde people have made packages ;) |
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| 14:02.40 | Coke | jharrisonwk: indeed. it's a very nice resort from what I've heard. many people from central america go there for vacation because it |
| 14:02.42 | jharrisonwk | moshii: its probably in experimental |
| 14:02.50 | pipeline | Coke: You brought up Cuba. That's a touchy subject. |
| 14:02.54 | Coke | jharrisonwk: it's cheaper than going to the US or across seas. |
| 14:03.03 | Coke | pipeline: no, I didn't bring it up. |
| 14:03.12 | moshii | jharrisonwk: deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ./ |
| 14:03.12 | Coke | someone else did, check the logs |
| 14:03.22 | jharrisonwk | Coke: I live in the bahamas. I am 80 miles away from cuba and trust me when they get on their boats to come to the US they stop here first ;) |
| 14:03.33 | jharrisonwk | moshii: yes or its on alioth |
| 14:03.34 | Pappa | Coke: "general education in europe" ? where's that list? |
| 14:04.01 | jharrisonwk | cuba has some of the absolutely best skilled doctors and medical equipment in the world |
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| 14:04.20 | jharrisonwk | however for a lot people life sucks for them in cuba |
| 14:04.23 | Coke | Pappa: actualy, it was divided into math, native language and english. |
| 14:04.25 | prabakar | hi |
| 14:04.27 | Pappa | plus castro rules there, and castro is so cool |
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| 14:04.33 | jharrisonwk | no internet no freedom to do anything |
| 14:04.40 | jharrisonwk | thats why they get on boats |
| 14:04.41 | Pappa | Coke: cause i heard we norwegians are the stupidest |
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| 14:04.56 | Pappa | in fact i agree |
| 14:04.57 | Pappa | lol |
| 14:05.07 | Coke | Pappa: hehe. I don't know where you are. Sweden has dropped several places, while Finland is now in pole position. |
| 14:05.11 | benjamindees | *most* stupidest |
| 14:05.17 | prabakar | I have a doubt ? |
| 14:05.23 | Pappa | Finland? those drunkies? |
| 14:05.30 | prabakar | I believe you can solve my doubt |
| 14:05.33 | timo | Pappa, hey, lay it off |
| 14:05.34 | prabakar | is there anyway to crate and send a UDP packet in a shell script ? |
| 14:05.38 | Coke | Yeah, but appearantly their kids have a thing for math. Geeks... |
| 14:05.43 | asg | prabakar: netcat |
| 14:05.52 | jharrisonwk | I swear cohibas suck though |
| 14:05.57 | jharrisonwk | castro must get all the good ones |
| 14:06.00 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 14:06.08 | prabakar | asg: is netcat avail on solaris |
| 14:06.20 | asg | prabakar: you can compile it from source |
| 14:06.25 | Pappa | Coke: we had visitors from finland. i remember getting drunk on a wednesday, and i had work next day |
| 14:06.29 | Pappa | the finnish spirit |
| 14:06.33 | prabakar | asg: thanks |
| 14:06.36 | asg | prabakar: or check freesunsoftware.com and see if it's been packaged |
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| 14:06.53 | prabakar | asg: ok |
| 14:06.57 | jharrisonwk | Pappa: I think that spirit is world wide |
| 14:07.01 | Pappa | timo: hey, it's respect |
| 14:07.03 | jm_ | prabakar: or tools like hping for more low-level stuff |
| 14:07.21 | Coke | Pappa: my impression of Finnish people is that they are as organised as Germans and as workoholic as the Japanese. |
| 14:07.23 | Pappa | jharrisonwk: not like finland. Finland rocks. |
| 14:07.29 | jharrisonwk | Pappa: yeah yeah |
| 14:07.38 | Pappa | Coke: been there? |
| 14:07.42 | Coke | Pappa: yes, many times. |
| 14:07.46 | jharrisonwk | Pappa: but poeple all over get drunk and go to work the next day |
| 14:07.53 | Pappa | ive been there once |
| 14:07.58 | jharrisonwk | Pappa: that is not only in finland |
| 14:08.03 | Coke | Pappa: Helsinki must be the cleanest capital in the world. |
| 14:08.03 | Pappa | really nice place, very.. modern |
| 14:08.07 | prabakar | jm_: thanks |
| 14:08.10 | Pappa | Coke: yup |
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| 14:08.44 | Pappa | and stuff is so cheap, there's like russian boats everywhere with cheap cigarettes and booze |
| 14:08.50 | Coke | Yes. I had a finnish colleague who used the say that when he was a kid (during the 70's) Finland was way behind Sweden, but these days the table has turned. |
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| 14:09.39 | timo | Pappa, oh, carry on then. what do I know, I don't drink much |
| 14:10.02 | timo | except coffee. too much of it. |
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| 14:10.31 | Hybridized_ | how do I get ssh login logs |
| 14:11.02 | Coke | Hybridized_: /var/log/auth if it is authentication related |
| 14:11.14 | Coke | robin_sz: "gray and mushy" ? |
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| 14:11.30 | robin_sz | yeah ... on of FInalnds 3 seasons. |
| 14:11.38 | Coke | Hybridized_: (it uses syslog) |
| 14:11.48 | incorrect | i've installed ssh and im getting 'stdin: is not a tty' when i remotely ssh into the box, anyone what what i need to configure? |
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| 14:12.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: kill squid-users mailing list for not having a working unsubscribe |
| 14:12.30 | greycat | incorrect: probably your .bashrc file |
| 14:12.35 | timo | robin_sz, we have summer, too. and actually it's quite clear and warm right now |
| 14:12.38 | robin_sz | Coke: Finland has only 3 seasons ... it has summer (which is wonderful) then the "gray and mushy" season, then winter (which is white and wonderful), then gray and mushy season again, and back to summer |
| 14:12.39 | greycat | incorrect: apart from that message, does it *work*? |
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| 14:13.17 | robin_sz | timo: I know, summer in .fi is great, as is winter. its the bits inbetween that spoil it |
| 14:13.23 | incorrect | greycat, no it just hangs |
| 14:13.30 | Coke | robin_sz: it's the same as Sweden. I fucking hate gray and mushy weather. It sucks. |
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| 14:13.42 | Coke | robin_sz: I hate winter too. |
| 14:13.46 | jm_ | hehe |
| 14:14.08 | robin_sz | Coke: yeah? I quite like winter in .fi .. its dry and cold, with white prettyness |
| 14:14.11 | Coke | The two months of summer that we have here is the only two months I actualy enjoy my life. |
| 14:14.18 | robin_sz | heh. |
| 14:14.28 | timo | robin_sz, ah. anyway, I kinda like autumn myself. dark, cold, windy and rainy |
| 14:14.38 | robin_sz | ick. |
| 14:14.53 | robin_sz | is it time to put the boats back in the water yet? |
| 14:14.53 | benjamindees | we in temperate climates look forward to spring and fall, and hide inside in summer and winter |
| 14:15.04 | timo | robin_sz, not quite |
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| 14:15.32 | Coke | If I could get a work like this in Spain, Italy or Greece I'd move there as fast as possible. |
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| 14:15.49 | torc | does current sarge use xfree86 or x11? |
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| 14:16.04 | torc | sorry, x.org. |
| 14:16.07 | moshii | torc: xfree |
| 14:16.11 | robin_sz | Coke: but you'd miss the nordic winter passtimes no? |
| 14:16.28 | drac | Hmm, Turku, Finland, +1 C. Sunny. :-) |
| 14:16.35 | torc | moshii: so, is it is frozen - it'll use xfree forever? |
| 14:16.47 | robin_sz | well, Nantaali |
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| 14:16.49 | markybob | torc, /topic |
| 14:16.51 | Coke | robin_sz: negative. I hate snow and I want > 25 degrees |
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| 14:17.23 | xk | Coke: I'll give you some of AUstralian weather... 38C when it's the end of summer. |
| 14:17.23 | benjamindees | torc, quite likely |
| 14:17.27 | robin_sz | Coke: but the alcoholism, adultery and depression, its practically a sport out there in winter no? |
| 14:17.46 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 14:17.48 | torc | we'll if its stable - its ok, right? |
| 14:17.57 | benjamindees | torc, that's the idea |
| 14:18.00 | greycat | torc: /topic |
| 14:18.11 | torc | greycat: sure, thanks. |
| 14:18.15 | Coke | robin_sz: I think people drink a lot more during summer. I know I do. This summer is going to be all about getting wasted in public places for me. |
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| 14:18.23 | benjamindees | torc, oh, xorg you mean, it's not stable |
| 14:18.40 | torc | benjamindees: no, i mean xfree is stable - so its right for sarge. |
| 14:18.57 | robin_sz | Coke: ah :) ... I was in .fi for midsummer once ... that was "interesting" ;) |
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| 14:19.34 | Coke | robin_sz: I bet. |
| 14:19.59 | robin_sz | Coke: mmm, Savolinnia(sp?) or Mantiharjju(sp) I think .. cant remember |
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| 14:20.20 | drac | Savonlinna and Mantyharju :) |
| 14:20.27 | robin_sz | ta :) |
| 14:20.36 | torc | so, installing x-window-system-core & fluxbox is quite enough for running an X system? |
| 14:20.39 | Coke | I'm going to Finland this summer for the Debconf5. |
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| 14:20.43 | asg | torc: yes |
| 14:20.52 | torc | asg: thanks. |
| 14:20.59 | robin_sz | coo, debconf in .fi ... almost tempting :) |
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| 14:21.23 | Coke | Doesn't seem like too many are going to Debconf5, though. |
| 14:21.33 | robin_sz | shame |
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| 14:22.04 | robin_sz | debconf in Aaland .. now that would rock :) |
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| 14:23.02 | robin_sz | apart from the obvious problem of sysadmins not wanting o travel under the light of the Daystar, obviously :) |
| 14:23.13 | larsl | How do I downgrade a package to an earlier version? Can it be done with apt-get? |
| 14:23.26 | greycat | larsl: in theory, yes. in practice, it's usually easier to dpkg -i it. |
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| 14:24.19 | Coke | larsl: there could be problems with massive dependency changes. |
| 14:24.31 | larsl | It's libusb. |
| 14:24.43 | Coke | larsl: only one way to find out. :) |
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| 14:31.38 | orjan_ | I'm trying to setup exim4 for an Internet host, fixed ip. Sen is ok and I can telnet in and receiv a mail, however when I try to send a mail to it I get 553. What shall I check? |
| 14:32.06 | greycat | the log files on both MTAs |
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| 14:32.56 | orjan_ | greycat: I checked the ones at exim4 ( recieving ) nothing there, the other one is my ISP |
| 14:33.26 | greycat | orjan_: either tell us the FULL error you got, or tell us what domain name to try. |
| 14:33.44 | orjan_ | greycat: asktech.se |
| 14:33.49 | sep | orjan_: you have configured your MX dns record correctly ofcouse ? |
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| 14:34.07 | greycat | imadev:~$ host -t mx asktech.se |
| 14:34.07 | greycat | imadev:~$ host -t a asktech.se |
| 14:34.07 | greycat | asktech.se has address 62.181.196.26 |
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| 14:34.24 | sep | orjan_: you have not comfigures your MX record, go do that |
| 14:34.25 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
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| 14:35.05 | greycat | orjan_: ignoring the missing MX record, everything seems to work fine when I send mail to postmaster@asktech.se |
| 14:35.10 | greycat | 250 OK id=1DDkSc-0001BK-To |
| 14:35.11 | larsl | Hm. Firefox freezed when I try to download a DEB package. |
| 14:35.16 | orjan_ | sep: hmm there is only one box in the domain which has the mail server, do I still need an mx record? |
| 14:35.18 | larsl | freezes |
| 14:35.21 | greycat | larsl: so use wget, or mozilla, or lynx, or curl, ... |
| 14:35.22 | asg | larsl: use wget instead |
| 14:35.29 | sep | orjan_: you _allways_ need a mx record |
| 14:35.38 | greycat | sep: technically it's not mandatoyr |
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| 14:35.42 | greycat | s/yr/ry/ |
| 14:35.50 | sep | if you want to recive mail it is |
| 14:35.56 | greycat | sep: no, it falls back to an A record |
| 14:35.57 | asg | sep: no, most mailers will use the A record |
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| 14:36.15 | greycat | it is, however, highly recommended that you have an MX record |
| 14:36.43 | sep | never heard of that, but im sure it's correct, i like having my mx's in place anyway |
| 14:37.25 | orjan_ | greycat: sep ok thanks I will try to setup an mx record |
| 14:37.36 | robin_sz | preferably 2 :) |
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| 14:38.34 | sven | anyone know how to change the color depth of my x server? |
| 14:38.41 | greycat | sven: startx -- -depth 16 |
| 14:38.46 | sven | ah |
| 14:39.15 | orjan_ | greycat: ok I see the mail to postmaster in exims mainlog |
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| 14:39.37 | travisat | sven: man xset |
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| 14:41.43 | jiffa | quotactl(0xff800004 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, "/dev/hda3", 0, {1610610360, 537369293, 134549700, 538155512, 1610610376, 1610611448, 538194772, 538194772}) = -1 ESRCH (No such process) |
| 14:41.45 | jiffa | anyone an idea ? |
| 14:41.51 | jiffa | i can't get the quota working |
| 14:41.56 | twirl83 | I want to know what is filling / with 230 mb of data , how can I get the list of files ? |
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| 14:42.24 | greycat | twirl83: cd / && du -kx --max-depth=1 | sort -n |
| 14:42.25 | jiffa | twirl : try man du, man find |
| 14:42.37 | jiffa | or this :) |
| 14:42.45 | zaikxtox | hello. i have installed mysqld on debian but it does not accepts remote connection. is here some kind of setup on debian for that ? |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | read the docs |
| 14:43.00 | greycat | isn't this in the FAQ? |
| 14:43.02 | jiffa | anyone any ideas ? |
| 14:43.17 | xk | ;) |
| 14:43.22 | zaikxtox | i had already several "debian policy" things setting up postgresql. is there some of that for mysql |
| 14:43.22 | greycat | (not to mention the text you got on the screen when you installed mysql)( |
| 14:43.23 | zaikxtox | ? |
| 14:44.21 | jiffa | darn |
| 14:44.22 | travisat | zaikxtox: if you are planning on using mysqld from remote connections, you might want to read the docs for your own safety |
| 14:44.31 | twirl83 | hmm. how can I resize a partition ? |
| 14:44.34 | larsl | Is anyone using gphoto2 successfully on Sarge? |
| 14:44.45 | sep | twirl83: try parted |
| 14:44.48 | travisat | twirl83: parted |
| 14:44.49 | zaikxtox | thanks travisat . it's just inside a 5 server firewalled zone. |
| 14:44.51 | xk | twirl83: fdisk + resize2fs |
| 14:44.56 | twirl83 | sep, thanks |
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| 14:45.17 | zaikxtox | travisat, but for my own safety i must get it working as soon as possible |
| 14:45.21 | travisat | twirl83: be careful with it though, I have borked more than one partition with it |
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| 14:45.26 | jiffa | Aaaanyone experienced with quota ? the thing acts as if i do not have quota in the kernel, but i got it |
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| 14:45.47 | twirl83 | travisat, aha .. thanks. I'll do my best |
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| 14:46.28 | benjamindees | travisat, with parted? user error you mean? |
| 14:46.40 | xk | that's why fdisk + resize2fs is the way to go. |
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| 14:46.55 | travisat | benjamindees: yes user error, that is why I said be careful....its easy to make an error |
| 14:47.14 | travisat | and it isn't a fixable error |
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| 14:47.56 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 14:47.56 | twirl83 | how much shall I make the / partition ? |
| 14:48.04 | sep | zaikxtox: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian . it explains what you need |
| 14:48.14 | zaikxtox | thanks sep |
| 14:48.17 | travisat | twirl83: however big you need it |
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| 14:48.36 | twirl83 | travisat, I don't put files in / |
| 14:49.03 | twirl83 | travisat, but some app use it .. and squirrelmail is giving me an error that it is full |
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| 14:49.12 | zaikxtox | really thanks sep |
| 14:49.13 | zaikxtox | :) |
| 14:49.20 | travisat | twirl83: apt-get clean, should make the / less full |
| 14:49.38 | twirl83 | yeah I did that :) |
| 14:49.43 | sep | zaikxtox: well other told you to read the doc. i just told you exactly the filename of the doc. there was no difference |
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| 14:50.32 | comadreja | how do I change acpi critical temperature ? |
| 14:50.41 | sep | twirl83: with a full root i'd rather look into what part of root that fills up. /tmp or /var ? then put that on another partition and not mess with resizing anything |
| 14:50.54 | comadreja | or cancel shutdown when reached |
| 14:50.58 | zaikxtox | sep, there is some big difference, belive or not. |
| 14:51.28 | travisat | comadreja: you might want to look into why its overheating in the first place: dust, etc |
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| 14:51.49 | sep | zaikxtox: well learning that almost everything you need is in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ have made me scratch my head a lot less. |
| 14:51.52 | kbrooks | I have a question. I want to set the verbosity level of Debian Apt. How do I do so? |
| 14:52.05 | twirl83 | sep, if lets say /tmp was the problem, can I move it to another partition and put a symbolic link to it ? |
| 14:52.26 | travisat | twirl83: put it on seperate, edit fstab to put it at /tmp |
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| 14:52.44 | comadreja | travisat : I guess it's an acpi problem it only happens in linux, not in windows |
| 14:52.45 | twirl83 | thanks |
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| 14:52.56 | sep | twirl83: you jsut make a partition and format it and mount it on /tmp |
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| 14:53.10 | travisat | comadreja: windows will let you overheat and screw yourself |
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| 14:53.33 | sep | then whats put in /tmp wont fill up your / partition |
| 14:53.33 | zaikxtox | sep, yes, but this channel has been mutating into a "debian freak" show. is not so difficult to be helpful. |
| 14:53.42 | mikkel_ | how do i get icon's on my desktop, i'm using fluxbox ? |
| 14:53.45 | comadreja | travisat : then I want it to overheat, but everytime I compile something it shuts down |
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| 14:53.54 | zaikxtox | anyway, thanks. i must continue now :) |
| 14:53.58 | comadreja | travisat : I can't work like this |
| 14:54.09 | travisat | comadreja: its probably a file in /etcv |
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| 14:54.38 | twirl83 | sep, I have a partition that /var is mounted to, this partition is big enough, can I mount /tmp to it ? or is what I'm saying nonsense :) because I never worked with partitions |
| 14:54.46 | comadreja | travisat : I haven't found any |
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| 14:55.11 | travisat | comadreja: its not something I ever wanted to do, so I haven't ever looked for it either |
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| 14:55.16 | markybob | twirl83, you could mount /tmp inside it and then symlink /tmp to it |
| 14:55.18 | sep | twirl83: i assume that you could make a tmp directory on your /var and symlink it... but im not sertain |
| 14:55.22 | incorrect | do you need legacy PTY support for ssh to run on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:55.46 | travisat | incorrect: i don't believe so |
| 14:56.04 | kbrooks | incorrect, no |
| 14:56.06 | twirl83 | markybob, yeah that was my point ... |
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| 14:56.16 | twirl83 | thanks for the help everyone |
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| 14:56.36 | incorrect | i just can't figure out why i am getting 'stdin: is not a tty' when i try to ssh in |
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| 14:56.59 | incorrect | i installed the system using debootstrap |
| 14:57.35 | flammifer | hullo ! I'm, er, having problems mounting my ntfs windows partition :-P it's in "ro, user" mode, but users can't seem to read it ... |
| 14:57.59 | twirl83 | what is /dev/shm ? |
| 14:58.04 | sep | incorrect: i guess that's more a kernel question then a debian question. |
| 14:58.09 | greycat | twirl83: sysv shared memory (IPC) |
| 14:58.20 | SiLENT|30|3 | How can I tell if I'm using XFree86 or xorg? |
| 14:58.20 | kbrooks | flammifer, permissions on mount point |
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| 14:58.28 | twirl83 | greycat, why it is in fstab ? |
| 14:58.33 | SiLENT|30|3 | Well I know I'm using XFree86 |
| 14:58.38 | SiLENT|30|3 | But how can I tell what version. |
| 14:58.39 | greycat | SiLENT|30|3: xdpyinfo |
| 14:58.43 | SiLENT|30|3 | Because I see XFree86-Config |
| 14:58.57 | SiLENT|30|3 | xdpyinfo: unable to open display "". |
| 14:59.03 | kbrooks | flammifer, chown root:users /path/to/mount/point |
| 14:59.28 | abrotman | SiLENT|30|3: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:59.29 | flammifer | kbrooks, he tells me only root has permission to read / execute, but also that I'm not allowed to change that 'cos it's read only |
| 14:59.40 | greycat | SiLENT|30|3: WHILE RUNNING X, sheesh! |
| 14:59.40 | jb34 | mount -o remount |
| 15:00.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart SiLENT|30|3 |
| 15:00.39 | flammifer | kbrooks, so when I try to change permissions / ownership, he yells at me |
| 15:00.39 | sep | !ntfs |
| 15:00.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
| 15:00.39 | SiLENT|30|3 | greycat, I am running X |
| 15:00.40 | SiLENT|30|3 | I'm using xchat right now. |
| 15:00.40 | jb34 | flammifer: mount -o remount,rw |
| 15:00.40 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT|30|3: run it as the user running X? |
| 15:00.40 | wen | help: how can i know what is the version of my Debian's glibc? |
| 15:00.49 | kbrooks | flammifer, su, fill in your password, and type that command |
| 15:00.51 | greycat | flammifer: of COURSE you can't change the permissions on an ntfs file system. |
| 15:00.53 | travisat | jb34: woah, write permissions to ntfs |
| 15:01.00 | SiLENT|30|3 | http://www.pastebin.com/261347 |
| 15:01.10 | larsl | Is there a way to add an "unstable" source for kernels only, and use "testing" for everything else? |
| 15:01.18 | jb34 | travisat : sorry havent read that was ntfs |
| 15:01.24 | FieldySnuts | flammifer: ntfs writing support is extremely dangerous, do NOT use it without a full backup. I mean it. don't let anybody tell you it's safe to write to it, period. |
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| 15:01.45 | stew | wen: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 15:01.50 | greycat | and even if you DO enable write support on ntfs, you can't change "permissions" on it. |
| 15:01.51 | travisat | larsl: add both testing and unstable to sources, then pin testing higher then unstable, then use the option -t unstable when installing kernels |
| 15:01.55 | flammifer | greycat, how do I read it with ormal users ? |
| 15:02.00 | stew | larsl: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 15:02.02 | greycat | flammifer: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:02.07 | FieldySnuts | and if that frustrates you, please direct it at MS (won't open up it's specs) not the kernel devs |
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| 15:02.14 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 15:02.33 | LeBear | How do you get a list of all the packages installed with the names not truncated like with dpkg -l ? |
| 15:02.34 | sep | flammifer: why do you need ntfs if you need to use the same partition in windows also then use vfat instead |
| 15:02.53 | greycat | LeBear: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 15:03.00 | wen | stew:thank you. if my glibc is 2.3.2 ,can i change it to 2.2.7? |
| 15:03.04 | flammifer | greycat : Is there no way to allow a normal user to read the parition ? Do I *have* to open it in rw ? |
| 15:03.13 | LeBear | greycat: awesome. Thanks |
| 15:03.15 | greycat | flammifer: read the factoid. read the man pages. |
| 15:03.16 | FieldySnuts | sep: problem there is you can convert FAT to NTFS, but not NTFS to FAT. |
| 15:03.40 | FieldySnuts | at least not safely (covering my rear) |
| 15:03.40 | greycat | !wikifaq LeBear PackageManagement |
| 15:03.43 | dpkg | LeBear: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:03.49 | travisat | wen: why.... |
| 15:03.56 | stew | wen: not currently |
| 15:04.04 | stew | wen: oh, wait 2.2.7 |
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| 15:04.32 | sep | FieldySnuts: not without expencive 3rd party things like partition magic i guess. , but you can allways backup reformat and restore |
| 15:04.44 | kbrooks | wen: why |
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| 15:05.08 | kbrooks | wen: you cant upgrade. you will break everything |
| 15:05.10 | stew | wen: not really, you'd see if its available on snapshot.debian.net, then reinstall your entires system as woody then install the 2.2.7 libc6 which sounds like an horrible idea, why do you want to? |
| 15:05.30 | SiLENT|30|3 | What do I do with the ati rpm from ati.com? |
| 15:05.48 | SiLENT|30|3 | Is there a guide for installing ati drivers on debian. |
| 15:05.49 | travisat | wen: you could download the woody libc6 and force install it.....but that would break shit |
| 15:05.50 | kbrooks | wen: errr downgrade |
| 15:05.56 | SiLENT|30|3 | Like fedorafaq.com has |
| 15:05.58 | wen | because i want test whether or not some program can work with glibc 2.2.x |
| 15:05.59 | travisat | !ati |
| 15:05.59 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:06.04 | SiLENT|30|3 | thanks |
| 15:06.12 | kbrooks | !libc6 |
| 15:06.12 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0 . |
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| 15:07.50 | LeBear | nifty faq... |
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| 15:09.51 | kbrooks | dpkg, libc6 is <reply>well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential componet of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 15:09.52 | dpkg | ...but libc6 is already something else... |
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| 15:10.09 | kbrooks | hmmmm. |
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| 15:10.23 | stew | wen: if you install woody you'll have 2.2.5 |
| 15:10.41 | linuxfreck | dpkg: no, libc6 is <reply>well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential componet of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 15:10.41 | dpkg | okay, linuxfreck |
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| 15:10.59 | xk | dpkg: libc6 =~ s/componet/component/ |
| 15:10.59 | dpkg | OK, xk |
| 15:11.09 | wen | thank stew. that will help me , i will try woody |
| 15:11.10 | kbrooks | ty |
| 15:11.12 | linuxfreck | whoops :/ |
| 15:11.20 | FieldySnuts | baadgers!! |
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| 15:11.33 | kbrooks | thanks sk and linuxfreck |
| 15:11.40 | xk | xk, not sk. |
| 15:11.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war |
| 15:11.46 | ravenbird | it isn't a debate that more wipes the floor with more! |
| 15:11.47 | kbrooks | xk* |
| 15:11.51 | FieldySnuts | oh really |
| 15:12.10 | FieldySnuts | self-deathmatch |
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| 15:12.49 | andax | is it possible to do masquerading on an aliased interface? (i have eth0 with external ip, and eth0:1 with 192.168.1.100 as an alias) both connections working. I do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" but ppl from 192.168.1.* are not masqueraded to the outside world. now what? |
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| 15:13.05 | FieldySnuts | i thought you couldn't do routing on an alias, but maybe i'm wrong |
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| 15:13.43 | Meisterx | Hello |
| 15:13.47 | andax | it's crazy anyway |
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| 15:14.07 | Meisterx | I was apt-get dist-upgrading my system and I got the following |
| 15:14.13 | Meisterx | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 47. |
| 15:14.13 | Meisterx | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome |
| 15:14.13 | Meisterx | debconf: (DISPLAY problem?) |
| 15:14.14 | Meisterx | debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
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| 15:14.17 | xk | paste fest! |
| 15:14.20 | debia1 | how do i add a default gateway? |
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| 15:14.24 | Meisterx | crap |
| 15:14.28 | greycat | debia1: man interfaces |
| 15:14.34 | andax | debia1: route add default gateway ipaddress |
| 15:14.42 | petemc | andax: i do masqerading on mutliple aliased interfaces |
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| 15:15.02 | qwertz | Hi! I want to start a second X-Server I remember that there was a command line option to startx but can't remember which one - any help? |
| 15:15.04 | xk | Meisterx: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to... hrm... whiptail? |
| 15:15.15 | kbrooks | wait a sec |
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| 15:15.18 | petemc | andax: you just operate on the original interface the aliases are made to, iptables figures out the rest |
| 15:15.23 | Meisterx | xk: whiptail ? |
| 15:15.28 | xk | startx -- :1.0 ? |
| 15:15.35 | kbrooks | is apt-get written in perl? |
| 15:15.38 | xk | Meisterx: ok... change it to anything other than gnome. |
| 15:15.39 | greycat | kbrooks: C++ |
| 15:15.42 | zOap | qwertz, startx |
| 15:15.55 | kbrooks | oh ok debconf is |
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| 15:15.59 | Meisterx | are you saying that Gnome sucks ? |
| 15:16.09 | xk | no. |
| 15:16.11 | travisat | gnome sucks |
| 15:16.14 | greycat | I'll say it, then. |
| 15:16.14 | Meisterx | hehe |
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| 15:16.26 | xk | if you don't know how to make it (the conf interface) run... why have it enabled. |
| 15:16.27 | greycat | gnome 2.x sucks rocks. |
| 15:16.37 | kbrooks | lol |
| 15:17.15 | FieldySnuts | i don't mind gnome 2 but it's file open/save dialog is to defecate on. |
| 15:17.18 | zOap | I don't understand you guys, Gnome has brought some wonderful things to the linuxworld. |
| 15:17.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: spelling defecate? |
| 15:17.26 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:17.29 | SiLENT|30|3 | localhost:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-386" --revision 2.6.8 --config old configure -su: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 15:17.33 | xk | zOap: I've seen gnome make a 512meg machine to eventually crawl. |
| 15:17.35 | travisat | kde sucks more |
| 15:17.36 | xk | now is that good or not? |
| 15:17.38 | andax | eheheh forwarding was not enabled at /proc/...ip_forward lol |
| 15:17.42 | FieldySnuts | zOap: yeah. like bloat, blat, and more bloat. |
| 15:17.45 | SiLENT|30|3 | And I can't apt-get -y install make-kpkg |
| 15:17.46 | andax | thanks :) |
| 15:17.48 | SiLENT|30|3 | The package doesn't exist. |
| 15:17.48 | FieldySnuts | s/lat/loat/ |
| 15:17.51 | petemc | gnome runs fine on my laptop with 512meg ram |
| 15:17.51 | xk | SiLENT|30|3: kernel-package. |
| 15:18.01 | SiLENT|30|3 | kernel-package? |
| 15:18.05 | xk | petemc: for a day or so? try for a week or more. |
| 15:18.06 | FieldySnuts | it's pretty simple really, like gnome, run it. don't like it? don't run it |
| 15:18.08 | travisat | that provide make-kpkg |
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| 15:18.25 | zOap | Well, I find Gnome more stable than kde, that's for shure, and far more goodlooking |
| 15:18.26 | petemc | xk: ive left it running for a long time in the past, have had no problems |
| 15:18.40 | FieldySnuts | zOap: fine. learn to troll better |
| 15:18.46 | xk | but I guess the blame is on firefox/thunderbird ;) |
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| 15:18.54 | xk | but still... gnome itself uses 200megs ram |
| 15:18.59 | xk | gnome term using 50 |
| 15:19.02 | xk | applets using 50 each |
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| 15:19.11 | petemc | ram is cheap :) |
| 15:19.15 | FieldySnuts | so much for resource optimization |
| 15:19.31 | xk | that's bullshit |
| 15:19.35 | xk | if shit leaks, it's a problem |
| 15:19.37 | streuner | zOap: well, those DE tends to look like windows, so i can't hardly find a big difference between both |
| 15:20.02 | BlackSunSystems | gnome and kde both look like cartoons |
| 15:20.10 | FieldySnuts | don't use them then sheesh |
| 15:20.17 | BlackSunSystems | but kde is slightly better these days |
| 15:20.19 | travisat | why can't we all just use fvwm and be happy |
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| 15:20.35 | BlackSunSystems | I dont im just contributing to the conversation noit complaining |
| 15:20.48 | Shadur | BlackSunSystems: last I looked, KDE was still a whole lot of ugly chrome covering a severe lack of stability. |
| 15:20.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer BlackSunSystems |
| 15:20.58 | ravenbird | 'BlackSunSystems' is 8.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 15:21.02 | xk | heh |
| 15:21.09 | FieldySnuts | damn. I think mine is higher |
| 15:21.12 | xk | ravenbird: nickometer FieldySnuts |
| 15:21.14 | ravenbird | 'FieldySnuts' is 0.000% lame, xk |
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| 15:21.19 | FieldySnuts | whoa |
| 15:21.19 | jelly | greycat: eh, but is it fvwm 1.24r or some bloated 2.x version? :> |
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| 15:21.39 | travisat | let me tell you about how bloated 2.x fvwm is |
| 15:21.44 | FieldySnuts | i managed to get it to say 99.991% lame at one point, I think i gave it urandom output |
| 15:21.57 | petemc | people should just use what they want to use, and not bother trying to convince people everything else sucks |
| 15:21.58 | zOap | Are you trying to say that all gui's are bloated:) man, every man has his opinion |
| 15:22.03 | FieldySnuts | petemc: amen |
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| 15:22.22 | greycat | jelly: appears to be 2.2.5 here... |
| 15:22.23 | BlackSunSystems | i dont care what other people use as long as im happy |
| 15:22.31 | BlackSunSystems | which i am |
| 15:22.34 | zOap | amen |
| 15:22.37 | greycat | [FVWM][main]: Fvwm Version 2.2.5 compiled on Apr 25 2001 at 15:55:03 |
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| 15:23.10 | thomas_adam | jelly: 2.x is hardly bloated. |
| 15:23.12 | travisat | but currently is using windows and isn't happy |
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| 15:24.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer @ |
| 15:24.26 | ravenbird | '@' is 14.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 15:24.31 | FieldySnuts | weirdo |
| 15:24.39 | Meisterx | xk: I ran the dpkg-reconfigure debconf and selected "dialog" instead of Gnome... hopefully that'll fix it ? |
| 15:24.51 | greycat | Meisterx: why are you *asking*? |
| 15:25.03 | hackeron | zOap: first of all, no about the gnome vs kde thing, second of all, shure is a headphone make company, you meant to say sure ;) |
| 15:25.20 | Meisterx | greycat: I had some errors when running apt-get |
| 15:25.24 | Meisterx | well warning |
| 15:25.26 | Meisterx | msgs |
| 15:25.30 | hackeron | zOap: infact they're famous for the microphones, but oh well |
| 15:25.42 | Meisterx | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 47. |
| 15:25.42 | Meisterx | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome |
| 15:25.52 | abrotman | i still can't figure out for the life of me why anyone would choose gnome or kde as a frontend to debconf |
| 15:25.58 | greycat | Meisterx: it's still running Gnome.pm after you changed it to dialog? |
| 15:26.08 | zOap | hackeron, I never said "shure", and Shure microphones sucks, Go with the Sennheiser, that's handywork |
| 15:26.19 | greycat | or are you just so fucking retarded you're repeating your ORIGINAL question even after you've applied the solution> |
| 15:26.23 | Meisterx | abrotman: This is not my box |
| 15:26.33 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | Meisterx: doesn't answer the question |
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| 15:26.44 | travisat | greycat: stop abusing those with small minds |
| 15:26.59 | hackeron | zOap: sennheiser make microphones? -- also, you have a bad memory: "<15:18 /zOap> Well, I find Gnome more stable than kde, that's for shure, and far more goodlooking" |
| 15:27.26 | Meisterx | yeah...you all are great |
| 15:27.42 | abrotman | travisat: was he abusing you? |
| 15:27.49 | FieldySnuts | we knew thanks |
| 15:27.49 | travisat | hackeron: can you hear me now? |
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| 15:28.23 | travisat | abrotman: no, talk about headphones makes me angry |
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| 15:28.33 | hackeron | travisat: they're canalphones actually, but oh well |
| 15:28.36 | travisat | abrotman: I broke mine today |
| 15:28.41 | imrich | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.59 | zOap | hackeron, OK, forgot that, pardon my english:) Yeah, Sennheiser builds fine mic'es. Shure is kinda the low end market, they have a couple of good dynamic ones, like sm58, but I don't like dynamic mic'es, I prefer condensator or electret |
| 15:29.02 | abrotman | travisat: get new ones? .. stop whining? |
| 15:29.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 716] by debhelper |
| 15:29.09 | c4_ | where is the wiki pages index, please? |
| 15:29.10 | len_ | imrich: #emacs has a better chance of helping you |
| 15:29.11 | asg | imrich: have you tried #emacs yet? |
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| 15:29.22 | abrotman | !faq c4_ |
| 15:29.23 | dpkg | c4_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:29.25 | abrotman | that one? |
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| 15:29.54 | hackeron | zOap: donno much about their microphones, but their canalphones kick ass :) |
| 15:30.03 | c4_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:30.06 | abrotman | silly question |
| 15:30.19 | abrotman | i know what a microphone is .. is there a macrophone? |
| 15:30.22 | PantherMachina | RHino: is porn spamming me |
| 15:30.33 | PantherMachina | kiN: is doing the same |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | !cookie PantherMachina |
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| 15:30.45 | abrotman | PantherMachina: not anymore :) |
| 15:30.46 | PantherMachina | I'm just letting you guys know |
| 15:30.47 | PantherMachina | thought it odd |
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| 15:30.57 | abrotman | PantherMachina: we get a lot in here .. they love us! |
| 15:31.00 | PantherMachina | after all, we can't let IRC spam get a foothold |
| 15:31.04 | PantherMachina | haha |
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| 15:31.12 | zOap | hackeron, ok, maybe, I dunno. Not my line of work, but mic'es is, so that I know:) |
| 15:31.20 | abrotman | PantherMachina: and DeVeRaS could be another |
| 15:31.31 | DeVeRaS | sorry? |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | or just a bad nick |
| 15:31.35 | abrotman | see .. guess not |
| 15:31.54 | DeVeRaS | i can see my moden device on ifconfig now. it's tap0 but wend i do adsl-start i get thist error: 3-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed ep 0x7 len 106 ret -110.... i changed the command so that pppoa3 has now a -t 300 and -a .... but still i have this timeout problems, is there anything else i can change? |
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| 15:33.37 | Meisterx | Hey greycat thanx for help |
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| 15:33.49 | xk | ravenbird: nickometer DeVeRaS |
| 15:33.50 | ravenbird | 'DeVeRaS' is 14.000% lame, xk |
| 15:34.09 | DeVeRaS | xk what's the problem with my nick? |
| 15:34.14 | d03boy | [ravenbird] nickometer d03boy |
| 15:34.17 | d03boy | oops |
| 15:34.21 | DeVeRaS | cause i have a problem with my modem... |
| 15:34.50 | c4_ | abrotman: that's not the official wiki page |
| 15:34.50 | travisat | dpkg: say ravenbird: nickometer travisat |
| 15:34.50 | dpkg | ravenbird: nickometer travisat |
| 15:34.52 | ravenbird | 'travisat' is 0.000% lame, dpkg |
| 15:35.00 | travisat | woohoo |
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| 15:35.15 | c4_ | damn! i have to make a correction to my wiki page, is a BIG mistake |
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| 15:35.53 | abrotman | c4_: erm .. yes it is |
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| 15:36.04 | hackeron | zOap: hmm, just out of interest, do you use any opensource for recording? |
| 15:36.18 | abrotman | hackeron: i do |
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| 15:36.48 | c4_ | abrotman: and where is mine? |
| 15:36.53 | abrotman | hackeron: for just recording multiple tracks .. audacity does a fantastic job |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | c4_: your what? |
| 15:37.18 | hackeron | abrotman: hmm, yeah, nice tool :) |
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| 15:37.47 | jelly | Is there a mapping of irc nicks on this channel to real names available somewhere? |
| 15:37.47 | greg_work | is there a pam module to deny access to a particular host after x login attempts (to ANY account) have failed? |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | hackeron: i'd like to play with uhm .. Wired i htink it's called |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | hackeron: http://bloodshed.net/wired/ |
| 15:38.29 | zOap | hackeron, Well, I tried, but there aren't any good options right now, you may have heard of the AGNULA project, but it's to early in development... So, unfortunately I have to use windoes abit longer... |
| 15:38.46 | hackeron | abrotman: hmm, never heard of it, looks cool though. |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | zOap: audacity! |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | beast! |
| 15:38.53 | c4_ | abrotman: the wiki page i've created |
| 15:38.53 | c4_ | abrotman: the germanach one |
| 15:38.54 | abrotman | wired! |
| 15:39.04 | zOap | abrotman, naah, it's no good for pro audio |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | c4_: i'm so freaking lost .. i have no idea what you're talking about :) |
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| 15:39.16 | DeVeRaS | i can see my moden device on ifconfig now. it's tap0 but wend i do adsl-start i get thist error: 3-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed ep 0x7 len 106 ret -110.... i changed the command so that pppoa3 has now a -t 300 and -a .... but still i have this timeout problems, is there anything else i can change? |
| 15:39.21 | c4_ | i've found it! |
| 15:39.25 | larsl | zOap: Ardour? |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | zOap: define pro audio |
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| 15:39.33 | hackeron | zOap: yeah, its a shame as well, alsa is far suprior to the API windows use. Far easier to get low letency recording, especially with jack. |
| 15:39.35 | c4_ | abrotman: i've found it! |
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| 15:40.08 | cee | when will kde3.4 be available from unstable? |
| 15:40.13 | hackeron | abrotman: ah wait, I think it was reported on slashdot a while ago and was said to not be as good as that garden program |
| 15:40.13 | asg | cee: /topic |
| 15:40.13 | abrotman | cee: /topic |
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| 15:40.27 | xk | DeVeRaS: usb adsl modems.... that will teach you to get an ethernet based one next time. |
| 15:40.31 | abrotman | hackeron: wired? .. possibly .. but it's also like version 0.04 or something |
| 15:40.36 | FieldySnuts | xk: amen |
| 15:40.45 | zOap | larsl, no. abrotman, the need for atleast 24/48(96), support for MANY recording channels, dsp cards, bla bla bla |
| 15:40.49 | benjamindees | dpkg: say ravenbird: blah blah |
| 15:40.50 | dpkg | ravenbird: blah blah |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | zOap: audacity can do more than one channel .. dunno about the DSP cards |
| 15:41.10 | zOap | And offcourse, a descent gui |
| 15:41.12 | DeVeRaS | xk i don't understand what you mean, i am not english native. can you refrase? |
| 15:41.17 | hackeron | abrotman: ah remembered, it was compared to Rosegarden and Ardour |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | hackeron: but it's not nearly as old either :) |
| 15:41.45 | xk | DeVeRaS: ok... it was a mistake for you to get a usb dsl modem. |
| 15:42.01 | xk | DeVeRaS: a better choice would have been an ethernet based dsl modem. |
| 15:42.02 | zOap | abrotman, yeah it can, but that's about it, I work with protools,and switching to audacity would be like cutting off my right arm, and a leg for the heck off it.... |
| 15:42.03 | DeVeRaS | no... it's a loan |
| 15:42.09 | DeVeRaS | i asked to test it |
| 15:42.15 | DeVeRaS | ah |
| 15:42.16 | DeVeRaS | that |
| 15:42.57 | DeVeRaS | i know... but i'am looking to save money mate. and i am almost this close to get it to work |
| 15:43.04 | xk | ;) |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | zOap: but it's free :) |
| 15:43.10 | DeVeRaS | i just can't figure out the time outs... |
| 15:43.10 | asg | greg_work: pam_tally.so |
| 15:43.17 | abrotman | zOap: did you look at the wired thing? |
| 15:43.26 | abrotman | zOap: http://bloodshed.net/wired/ |
| 15:43.40 | zOap | abrotman, yeah, but when it comes to work, I spare no expences:) |
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| 15:43.45 | jelly | ravenbird: say dpkg: say nickometer AdN@u53@m |
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| 15:43.47 | ravenbird | dpkg: say nickometer AdN@u53@m |
| 15:43.47 | zOap | abrotman, no, I'll have a look |
| 15:43.48 | dpkg | nickometer AdN@u53@m |
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| 15:43.54 | abrotman | zOap: just your spelling? :) |
| 15:43.57 | jelly | ravenbird: say dpkg: say ravenbird: nickometer AdN@u53@m |
| 15:43.58 | ravenbird | dpkg: say ravenbird: nickometer AdN@u53@m |
| 15:43.59 | dpkg | ravenbird: nickometer AdN@u53@m |
| 15:44.03 | ravenbird | 'AdN@u53@m' is 54.000% lame, dpkg |
| 15:44.20 | abrotman | ravenbird: stop abusing dpkg .. you're like brothers!!! |
| 15:44.20 | ravenbird | abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 15:44.29 | abrotman | ravenbird: i could .. but you won't like it |
| 15:44.30 | ravenbird | abrotman: are you using Windows? |
| 15:44.37 | abrotman | ravenbird: you're a fucktard |
| 15:44.37 | ravenbird | abrotman: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:44.38 | debia1 | anyone had any idea where to get kernel-header-2.4.29? |
| 15:44.40 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 15:45.29 | benjamindees | dpkg: say ravenbird: you are moron number one |
| 15:45.29 | dpkg | ravenbird: you are moron number one |
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| 15:45.31 | zOap | abrotman, my spelling sucks, I know, but I don't care, cause I noticed that it doesn't matter... What did I spell wrong this time btw?:) |
| 15:45.37 | jelly | abrotman: hey, do they have user-definable macros? Maybe someone might get them in a loop. ;-) |
| 15:45.49 | abrotman | zOap: dunno .. don't remember :) |
| 15:45.57 | zOap | abrotman, hehe:) lol |
| 15:45.58 | abrotman | jelly: huh? |
| 15:46.06 | jelly | the bots. |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | oh .. expense |
| 15:46.17 | abrotman | jelly: we're not allowed to do that |
| 15:46.24 | zOap | abrotman, that's wrong?? |
| 15:46.29 | benjamindees | jelly, they just need variables :) |
| 15:46.32 | abrotman | zOap: the way you did it was |
| 15:46.58 | greg_work | asg: that work per-user though, I want per-host |
| 15:47.01 | zOap | abrotman, lol: ok: I'll do my best to do it the right way:) |
| 15:47.23 | zOap | Talk later, gonna check out the link now |
| 15:47.28 | googl1 | anyone had any idea where to get kernel-header-2.4.29? |
| 15:47.38 | greg_work | asg: ie, if someone from 1.2.3.4 tries to log into root 3 times and fails, i want to block 1.2.3.4 from logging into ANY account .. but i still want to be able to log into root from 2.3.4.5 |
| 15:48.03 | asg | greg_work: just tail your /var/log/auth.log and use route to blacklist them. |
| 15:48.22 | asg | greg_work: simple script (check debian-user archives, someone mentioned that some time ago.) |
| 15:49.03 | greg_work | ok, thanks |
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| 15:51.06 | HolyGoat | how can I find out what kind of daemon is listening on a certain port? I do netstat -a and it shows me 0 *:1213, nmap -sS localhost 1213 gives me "1213/tcp open unknown" |
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| 15:51.19 | ep | how do i install my kernel sources? |
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| 15:51.39 | caphuso | HolyGoat: lsof -i :1213 |
| 15:51.47 | DeVeRaS | i have no hope what so ever to get help for the question but i will refrase it and had a few more stuff, hope you cant help. I can load my modem_run fine. It show's up on ifconfig ok. I changed the pppoa3 to also have -t 300 and the force flag -a. I have time outs like this: USBDEVFS_BULK failed ep 0x7 len 106 ret -110 from what i read this is know to be a problem with hotplug, but since so many ppl use this alcaltell modem, what must i change? sor |
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| 15:52.07 | HolyGoat | caphuso: thanks a bunch |
| 15:52.46 | greycat | ep: why? |
| 15:53.01 | gangsta_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.08 | gangsta_ | can someone help me with my nick when i connect to the server i get Your nick is owned by gangsta [user70@verel.demon.nl] |
| 15:53.09 | greycat | gangsta_: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:53.20 | gangsta_ | ill try |
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| 15:54.14 | zOap | abrotman, wired looks cool, but it seems to be more music oriented. I couldn't find much doc's about audio capabilities. |
| 15:54.51 | ep | Because i want to compile and install the Nvida 3d driver per the instructions outlined on Nvida's web site. These instructions are much less confusing than those given at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html#kerneltype |
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| 15:55.22 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 15:55.22 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. WARNING for the first link : NVIDIA's drivers aren't in Sarge anymore, you have to use Sid's (ask me about quick sid/sarge mix). when asked to choose, use NVDIST=unstable |
| 15:55.43 | xk | valdyn: bah, next time, 'about' it. |
| 15:56.04 | greycat | better yet, msg it. |
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| 15:56.25 | ikaro | hellas! |
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| 15:56.49 | cheale1 | ep: really? why do you ask us then? |
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| 15:57.44 | DeVeRaS | well... thanks anyway. pardon me |
| 15:57.44 | jelly | ravenbird: botloop |
| 15:57.45 | ravenbird | rumour has it, botloop is dpkg: say ravenbird: botloop |
| 15:57.49 | jelly | damn |
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| 15:57.56 | benjamindees | heh |
| 15:57.57 | jelly | good thing it didn't work |
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| 15:58.21 | chealer | hehehe, who gets kicked first if that happens? :) |
| 15:58.25 | greycat | jelly: the bots would automatically stop after a short time. |
| 15:58.41 | qpee | hi all, i have a siemens lcd display which i want to get working on X. actually i just plugged it in and it works with the old config-file (of the crt-monitor), but i need a higher resoolution which does not work out yet. do i need special drivers for lcd displays? |
| 15:58.44 | greycat | chealer: care to find out the hard way? >:-) |
| 15:58.56 | xk | !x reconfigure |
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| 15:59.08 | greycat | !drxx qpee |
| 15:59.08 | dpkg | qpee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 15:59.15 | jelly | greycat: because of randomization, or they have other safety built in? |
| 15:59.16 | chealer | greycat: naah...I love dpkg too much for that :) |
| 15:59.24 | ep | Either way I do it, I have question. I've already done it with Mandrake and I followed Nvida's instructions. But I need the kernel sources installed to do it. |
| 15:59.28 | greycat | jelly: two requests for the same factoid in a short interval |
| 15:59.32 | qpee | greycat: i will try, thanks |
| 15:59.39 | xk | greycat: thank fuck that Meisterx fucked off. he was bitching to me about you. |
| 15:59.48 | xk | damn moron. |
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| 16:01.20 | xk | MeisterX: stop /msg'ing me. |
| 16:01.26 | ep | I can try the other method since you guys seem to be recomending it. But I have the unstable packages and i don't know how to set em up. |
| 16:01.39 | greycat | !tell ep about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | that reminds me of the "3 lines to install gentoo" |
| 16:02.13 | xk | gen2 |
| 16:02.32 | greycat | !install gentoo |
| 16:02.32 | dpkg | It takes three commands to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 16:02.43 | chealer | greycat: if he thinks it's confusing, I think he's better with the howto |
| 16:03.06 | xk | haha |
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| 16:04.17 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 16:04.40 | MeisterX | sorry |
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| 16:07.48 | chealer | ep: you don't need the kernel sources (headers only) |
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| 16:11.48 | morbius | I am getting an error when I try and use apt-get install i put the error here -> http://pastebin.ca/7954 |
| 16:11.56 | ro | @find PES4 |
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| 16:13.08 | ep | ok i'm studying this -- I don't understand lines like " see <quick sid/sarge mix>" To me the instructions on Nvida's Readme are easier to understand. Basicall, compile, make, install, and manually edit X config in a non-X console. So is therre any harm in installing via these instructions? |
| 16:13.21 | PantherMachina | "rmdir: `/usr/share/emacs21/site-lisp/vm': Directory not empty" |
| 16:13.32 | toomboy | how do i get the startup script for mysql in woody to have mysql start being bound to 127.0.0.1:3006 ? |
| 16:13.34 | PantherMachina | morbius: you may want to look at that part |
| 16:13.34 | asg | ep: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix (it's the name of another factoid) |
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| 16:13.55 | chealer | ep: possibly |
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| 16:14.26 | ep | ok it its a bad idea than i'll try the other method :-) |
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| 16:15.12 | qpee | greycat: i did the xserver reconfigure but i can't see a file written in /etc/X11. i removed my old X config, but none new is written. where are the results of that script written to? |
| 16:15.53 | greycat | you REMOVED it?!? |
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| 16:16.01 | greycat | !x md5 |
| 16:16.03 | qpee | greycat: actually i renamed it |
| 16:16.04 | greycat | !x md5sum |
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| 16:16.34 | greycat | Um..... |
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| 16:16.44 | greycat | ->[dpkg] msglistkeys md5 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] exceeded allowed forked count (shm 353009667): Search, slashdot, babelfish, md5 |
| 16:16.51 | asg | greycat: exceeded allowed forked count (shm 353009667): Search, slashdot, babelfish, md5 |
| 16:16.54 | asg | oops |
| 16:16.55 | greycat | asg: me too. |
| 16:16.58 | greycat | @listkeys md5 |
| 16:17.08 | greycat | ~listkeys md5 |
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| 16:17.12 | greycat | ONE of you fucking bots, WORK! |
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| 16:17.25 | qpee | because i wanted to keep the old file to use it if nothing works out |
| 16:17.33 | c4_ | is some way of adding pages to google database, or they has only a search engine for that? |
| 16:17.47 | greycat | qpee: put it BACK. debconf freaks if it's not there, or if it's been hand-edited, and won't overwrite your changes. |
| 16:17.53 | FieldySnuts | c4_: what's this got to do with debian? |
| 16:17.56 | greycat | qpee: once you hand-edit it, it's YOURS for life. |
| 16:18.10 | asg | qpee: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ; md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum ; dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:18.11 | qpee | greycat: ok, then its mine. damn |
| 16:18.34 | qpee | asg: ahh, i'll try |
| 16:18.36 | eduardo | q |
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| 16:19.02 | LinuxMafia | all : any one knows how to configure wireless netwrok on knoppix? |
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| 16:19.08 | asg | LinuxMafia: #knoppix does |
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| 16:19.25 | LinuxMafia | asg: no one is there |
| 16:19.29 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 16:19.30 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:19.35 | asg | LinuxMafia: then man 7 wireless |
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| 16:19.46 | c4_ | FieldySnuts: if someone search for my wikipedia page in google, will not find it |
| 16:19.51 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/261373 any help appriciated |
| 16:19.53 | LinuxMafia | asg ok thanks |
| 16:20.00 | larsl | c4_: It takes a while for pages to get spidered. |
| 16:20.11 | larsl | c4_: And if there aren't many links to it it might never be. |
| 16:20.29 | c4_ | larsl: so in some time, it will be findable? |
| 16:20.34 | larsl | Perhaps. |
| 16:20.35 | c4_ | ok |
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| 16:20.49 | c4_ | larsl: and where can i upload links? |
| 16:21.08 | larsl | c4_: ? |
| 16:21.11 | qpee | asg: did that, still the XF86Config-4 is emtpy after the reconfigure |
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| 16:21.36 | qpee | funny thing is all the values in that config-process are recalled correctly. but not saved to the filesystem |
| 16:21.36 | c4_ | larsl: where would you put links so anyone can find your pagE? |
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| 16:21.49 | asg | qpee: that's because they are in the debconf database |
| 16:22.05 | larsl | c4_: If it's in wikipedia it will probably be found after a while. |
| 16:22.08 | redduck666 | qpee, doin't know what you are talking about but doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you can reconfigur your xfree86 |
| 16:22.09 | jerome | redduck666: first, we miss the 'route -n' information, then you have ipv6 enabled, then ... let's start with this. |
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| 16:22.53 | qpee | redduck666: actually not for me. the reconfigured-information are not saved into the config file |
| 16:23.07 | redduck666 | jerome, i disable ipv6 by doing modprobe -r ipv6? |
| 16:23.12 | c4_ | all things have a relation, like ants with ants and ants and elephants and the epherbesing elephant |
| 16:23.45 | jerome | redduck666: it won't unload ipv6 as it's being used. Try to reconfigure your eth0 without ipv6 |
| 16:24.18 | c4_ | redduck666: someone is using ipv6? or is for a future use? |
| 16:24.21 | qpee | redduck666: actually i hand-edited my x-config file and now i have a lcd monitor but don; know which changes i should make to it |
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| 16:25.27 | redduck666 | c4_, afaik noone is using ipv6. ipv6 is there because it was loaded by default when i installed 2.6.8 |
| 16:25.56 | redduck666 | jerome, how can i reconfigure eth0 |
| 16:25.57 | jerome | redduck666: can you ping your gateway ? |
| 16:26.22 | c4_ | redduck666: so why they have done such protocol (?) |
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| 16:26.48 | Pappa | qpee: nvidia card? try Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP" |
| 16:26.49 | jerome | redduck666: see /etc/network/interfaces and man 5 interfaces |
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| 16:26.56 | c4_ | redduck666: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:27.14 | asg | qpee: you might try the same thing above but with some generic test in the file; dpkg-reconfigure may notice the 0 byte file checksum and work differently. |
| 16:27.19 | jerome | redduck666: you might want to stop net services /etc/init.d/networking stop, unload unnecessary modules, and then reconfigure |
| 16:27.20 | asg | s/test/text/ |
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| 16:27.34 | redduck666 | not /etc/network/interfaces again :( i spent 2 days configuring it |
| 16:27.35 | c4_ | nano config tool |
| 16:27.37 | qpee | Pappa: it's a nvidia card, i'll give it a try |
| 16:27.50 | Pappa | DFP is Digial-Flat-Panel btw |
| 16:27.55 | ircdevil | is the sarge installer frozen? |
| 16:27.59 | BlacrockBOT | i need help hosting a irc server |
| 16:28.03 | Pappa | qpee: add it in Section "Device" |
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| 16:28.06 | BlacrockBOT | an* |
| 16:28.12 | c4_ | bye |
| 16:28.15 | ep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.42 | BlacrockBOT | ********i need help hosting an irc server |
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| 16:28.57 | ircdevil | BlacrockBOT: shove it |
| 16:28.59 | BlacrockBOT | on linux |
| 16:29.01 | Pappa | BlacrockBOT: explain the problem |
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| 16:29.09 | Pappa | the p-r-o-b-l-e-m |
| 16:29.17 | pngwn | BlacrockBOT, load it, configure it...go away |
| 16:29.18 | Pappa | we know you're not running OS/2 |
| 16:29.33 | redduck666 | jerome, if i got it correctly i have to open my terminal write /etc/init.d/networking stop than write modprobe -r ipv6 and than do what? |
| 16:29.34 | nydust | i have installed apache and php with apt-get install. And i cant see php sites, the webrowser just ask me to download the php file |
| 16:29.36 | BlacrockBOT | im not running linux now |
| 16:29.41 | abrotman | you should be |
| 16:29.43 | greycat | heh |
| 16:29.51 | pngwn | ;) |
| 16:29.51 | Pappa | unless you run OS/2 |
| 16:29.58 | greycat | or BSD |
| 16:30.03 | abrotman | tru64! |
| 16:30.03 | BlacrockBOT | i dont need to anybody heard of KNOPPIX |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 16:30.14 | greycat | BlacrockBOT: GO away. |
| 16:30.18 | larsl | You're running Knoppix but not Linux? |
| 16:30.18 | asg | ircdevil: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/03/msg00688.html (might indicate that a freeze is close) |
| 16:30.20 | abrotman | it's not english |
| 16:30.24 | Pappa | pretty sure we've all heard of knoppix |
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| 16:30.34 | abrotman | i'm confused how knoppix isn't linux |
| 16:30.37 | qpee | Pappa: no, it switches to standby, no screen |
| 16:30.38 | Pappa | larsl: maybe he made his own Knoppix GNU/Herd |
| 16:30.48 | Skull | hi all |
| 16:31.00 | Pappa | or "Hurd" rather |
| 16:31.00 | abrotman | and .. isn't it Knoppix? |
| 16:31.02 | redduck666 | abrotman, knoppix is linux, live cd but still linux |
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| 16:31.10 | abrotman | redduck666: don't you start too |
| 16:31.13 | greycat | it boots and runs a linux kernel, certainly. |
| 16:31.32 | Pappa | anyone tried Hurd lately btw? |
| 16:31.33 | jerome | redduck666: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 16:31.38 | greycat | but in case you hadn't noticed, this channel is not called #linux. |
| 16:31.39 | larsl | Pappa: Not in two years... |
| 16:31.40 | abrotman | restart even |
| 16:31.42 | greycat | nor is it called #knoppix |
| 16:31.44 | redduck666 | abrotman, i thought you asked a quetion, was wrong though |
| 16:31.50 | greycat | nor is it called #helpmeinstallanIRCserver |
| 16:31.56 | abrotman | redduck666: i don't ask questions unless they're offtopic :) |
| 16:31.58 | jerome | redduck666: you might check what is using ipv6 before and stop the services ... |
| 16:32.00 | Skull | i'm having problem changing the permission |
| 16:32.06 | greycat | Skull: on what? |
| 16:32.08 | asg | !permissions |
| 16:32.08 | dpkg | methinks permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 16:32.10 | asg | bah |
| 16:32.17 | larsl | But if he was installing an IRC server on Debian it would've been on topic. |
| 16:32.17 | abrotman | chmod ? |
| 16:32.20 | Pappa | i like the microkernel idea |
| 16:32.27 | abrotman | larsl: he wasn't |
| 16:32.30 | Skull | i tried this chmod /mnt/hda1 |
| 16:32.31 | larsl | No. |
| 16:32.35 | jerome | Pappa: nice try |
| 16:32.45 | oZt | Skull, do "man chmod" |
| 16:32.46 | larsl | Skull: You forgot the mode. |
| 16:32.50 | Skull | chmod 744 /mnt/hda1 |
| 16:32.54 | greycat | Skull: is hda1 an NTFS or VFAT file system? or is it a UNIX file system that might, just possibly, be able to have UNIX permissions? |
| 16:32.56 | Pappa | jerome: .? |
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| 16:33.01 | Skull | NTFS |
| 16:33.02 | greycat | Skull: NEVER make a directory 744. |
| 16:33.09 | greycat | Skull: NTFS CANNOT HAVE PERMISSIONS ON IT!!! |
| 16:33.10 | dax | hi all, |
| 16:33.10 | redduck666 | jerome, thanks. now i will reboot and boot into 2.6.8 kernel and try things you suggested |
| 16:33.12 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 16:33.21 | qpee | asg: nope, neither .. nor. |
| 16:33.22 | dax | is there a selinux channel |
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| 16:33.30 | asg | qpee: well, that's just fruity. |
| 16:33.32 | abrotman | dax: /list |
| 16:33.33 | jerome | redduck666: go trying |
| 16:33.38 | Skull | but now i cna' t get in |
| 16:34.01 | larsl | Skull: 744 means only the owner can list the directory. |
| 16:34.02 | qpee | asg: fruity? it's frustrating :) |
| 16:34.08 | asg | yeah |
| 16:34.22 | Skull | so what can i do |
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| 16:34.22 | jerome | Pappa: microkernel is a topic of choice for trolls. That was a nice try to launch it into the upcoming flame ... |
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| 16:34.37 | larsl | Skull: What do you want to be able to do with the directory? |
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| 16:34.39 | dax | abrotman: a bit large list, .... |
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| 16:34.45 | Skull | enter |
| 16:34.49 | abrotman | dax: regex ? |
| 16:34.59 | greycat | larsl: he wants to avoid having to read the factoid we already TOLD him to read. |
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| 16:35.00 | greycat | Or to think. |
| 16:35.10 | greycat | !vfatrw |
| 16:35.15 | OUTsider | grmblz |
| 16:35.21 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 16:35.31 | Skull | what |
| 16:35.34 | OUTsider | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.36 | abrotman | dax: try #selinux |
| 16:35.39 | greycat | dpkg, vfatrw =~ s/"id"/"id". This also applies to NTFS./ |
| 16:35.39 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:35.52 | greycat | OUTsider: chmod +x debian/rules |
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| 16:36.05 | OUTsider | greycat: I checked, it is 755 |
| 16:36.13 | greycat | OUTsider: is build-essential installed? |
| 16:36.19 | greycat | OUTsider: ls -ld /usr/bin/make |
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| 16:36.42 | benjamindees | is there a way to run memtest86 from the install cds? |
| 16:36.42 | OUTsider | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 131704 Jul 22 2004 /usr/bin/make |
| 16:36.46 | OUTsider | yes, installed |
| 16:36.58 | jp- | didn't there used to be an exim4.conf file available on the file system that was generated based in the crap in /etc/exim4/ ? i know i copied one in the past and i don't want to use this update-exim4.conf stuff. |
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| 16:37.04 | greycat | OUTsider: is your debian/rules file on a file system that's mounted with "user" or "noexec"? |
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| 16:37.08 | takisd | hi folks |
| 16:37.34 | takisd | is there any way to remap the way drives are allocated... ie. drive at /dev/hda to be /dev/hdb |
| 16:37.35 | petemc | jp-: man update-exim4.conf, theres an option to output a file, or use the one mentioned in exim -bV |
| 16:37.36 | OUTsider | it creates it in the users /home, right ? |
| 16:37.37 | SiLENT|30|3 | Is ncurses-devel not in the sarge/sid repos? |
| 16:37.38 | asg | qpee: try just running 'dexconf' as root and see what it does |
| 16:37.42 | SiLENT|30|3 | apt-get can't find it |
| 16:37.50 | jp- | petemc: thanks. |
| 16:38.11 | drac | SiLENT|30|3: libncurses5-dev is name of that package you want. |
| 16:38.14 | kbrooks | btw, does dpkg support $1? |
| 16:38.31 | OUTsider | guess it uses /tmp |
| 16:38.32 | asg | qpee: it *should* create an XF86Config-4 from what was stored in debconf |
| 16:38.38 | greycat | kbrooks: sort of. |
| 16:38.45 | kbrooks | for regexes. |
| 16:38.50 | OUTsider | looks better |
| 16:38.51 | greycat | kbrooks: no regexes. |
| 16:38.51 | asg | kbrooks: you can support dpkg by sending a $1 to dondelelcaro though |
| 16:39.04 | SiLENT|30|3 | thanks drac |
| 16:39.18 | kbrooks | greycat, what do you mean no regexes? |
| 16:39.25 | kbrooks | asg, not a dollar |
| 16:39.29 | OUTsider | k, thx, c ya :) |
| 16:39.46 | greycat | kbrooks: "no", meaning, "none; a lack of; negative" |
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| 16:39.57 | greycat | kbrooks: "regexes", meaning, "regular expressions" |
| 16:40.07 | FieldySnuts | poot |
| 16:40.16 | qpee | asg: well, it did! but still i'm not getting that monitor running |
| 16:40.41 | kbrooks | greycat, so dpkg doesnt support regular expressions? |
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| 16:40.46 | kbrooks | wahhhhhhhh |
| 16:40.48 | kbrooks | :'( |
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| 16:41.09 | asg | qpee: now try doing the md5sum with that file |
| 16:41.16 | dax | abrotman: yeah i know just looking for a debian specifiek channel to check out phow far they are with the development |
| 16:41.35 | asg | qpee: if that doesn't work, I don't know. I'd check the bts or file a bug because that should work. |
| 16:42.17 | qpee | asg: bts == bug tracking system? |
| 16:42.18 | dax | found it debian-hardened |
| 16:42.30 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: bts? |
| 16:42.31 | ravenbird | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 16:42.45 | asg | qpee: yes |
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| 16:43.47 | abrotman | dax: say what? |
| 16:44.03 | qpee | asg: why should this be a bug. i tend to say i misconfigured it. |
| 16:44.22 | ep | crap, accidently hit my reset button. I hate it when that happens! |
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| 16:44.42 | asg | qpee: well, the instructions to use md5sum that I gave your are listed at the top of the XF86Config-4 file as a workaround for fixing things after you hand edit your file. If that workaround doesn't work, I'd say that was a bug |
| 16:44.44 | dax | abrotman: there is a channel #debian-hardened |
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| 16:44.56 | abrotman | dax: yes .. i knew that :) |
| 16:45.03 | dax | zucht |
| 16:45.04 | abrotman | dax: but you didn't say that's what you were looking for |
| 16:45.05 | dax | ok |
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| 16:45.18 | dax | yeah well i was looking for a selinux debian |
| 16:45.19 | ep | how about #debian-weakened? I need that one. |
| 16:45.32 | greycat | ep: #knoppix |
| 16:45.36 | asg | ep: that's ##debian |
| 16:45.38 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:45.39 | dax | ep: isnt that by default??? |
| 16:45.41 | greycat | or ubuntu |
| 16:45.51 | dax | lol |
| 16:46.01 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 16:46.34 | qpee | asg: ohh yes, for that particular part i agree. because my config now is written by dexconf but i'm not getting a screen (this is my main problem) |
| 16:46.49 | ep | I like Debian, its not commercial. |
| 16:46.50 | jerome | hum, I have a philips ov511 webcam, that used to work pretty fine with 2.6.9 kernels, but now ov511-sources from debian refuses to compile, and ov511 was removed from the kernel tree. ov511.txt is still present in the Documentation/usb/ folder however. It seems it was removed in favor of ovcamchip that doesn't support my webcam. Any idea ? |
| 16:46.55 | asg | qpee: ah |
| 16:47.09 | ep | i didn't know there was a ##debian however |
| 16:47.40 | greycat | with a whole 4 users in it. |
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| 16:47.52 | FieldySnuts | that's useful |
| 16:47.53 | Mortal | hi , can anyone help me with this tar archive? |
| 16:47.54 | dax | ok have to go now |
| 16:47.56 | Mortal | tar -uvf archive.tar / --exclude /dev /mnt /tmp /sys /proc /opt /var /usr |
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| 16:47.59 | FieldySnuts | even #debian-offtopic has more |
| 16:47.59 | greycat | and both "please" and "thanks" in the /topic |
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| 16:48.07 | Mortal | its not excluding the dirs |
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| 16:48.29 | FieldySnuts | Mortal: you need to use --exclude for each item to be excluded, not just once |
| 16:48.35 | asg | ep: it's the touchy-feely #debian channel for people that think we are cranky |
| 16:48.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.45 | Mortal | FieldySnuts, oh , ok thanks |
| 16:48.54 | ep | I'm used to cranky:) |
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| 16:48.55 | kps | stupid question: how do i make the fonts bigger in the xmms main menu ? |
| 16:49.06 | ep | just duck and weave |
| 16:49.07 | kps | (and in the file selection) |
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| 16:49.16 | qpee | asg: on xdm restart the monitor flickers a few time and then switches back to this tty |
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| 16:49.27 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 16:49.59 | asg | qpee: 1) when debugging X, don't use a DM. 2) try running just 'X' and see what the error is. |
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| 16:50.24 | PocKeT | hi all |
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| 16:50.53 | xoz | qpee: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 16:50.55 | Pappa | damnit grub still doesnt show me a menu |
| 16:51.06 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 16:51.13 | karl | Hi Can anyone help I have just setup pam to use kerberos Evrything works but xlock |
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| 16:52.06 | asg | karl: did you configure xlock's pam file to also use pam_krb5.so? |
| 16:52.32 | PocKeT | (excuse my little english) When I open any device from a desktop icon using konqueror, when I try to umount this device I can't do it, because de device is in use (konqueror use fam i think), my question is: there are any solution to open a device from desktop icon without problems? |
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| 16:53.08 | insanekane | PocKeT: get rid of the konq instances |
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| 16:53.36 | Pappa | what just happened? when i run glxgears, it hogs my mips |
| 16:53.49 | PocKeT | insanekane, excuse me, i don't understand you :S |
| 16:53.59 | xoz | PocKeT: it can't be umounted because certain apps are still using it. goto terminal and type lsof | grep <mounted dir>, then kill that app |
| 16:54.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump famd |
| 16:54.26 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:54.28 | qpee | asg: `(EE) No devices deteced` it the error |
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| 16:54.40 | asg | qpee: then your video card configuration is incorrect. |
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| 16:55.35 | PocKeT | xoz, that is I do everytime, but, not there are any other form to do that? |
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| 16:56.02 | qpee | asg: maybe the busid is not entered correcly. i isnerted 'PCI:0:1:0' because lspci tells me '0000:01:00.0 VGA Compatible controller ...' |
| 16:56.16 | drac | qpee: PCI:1:0:0 |
| 16:56.41 | dvs | qpee: If it's an AGP card |
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| 16:58.13 | agentbob | anyone know how to install pygtk2.0 on woody? i'm trying to build from source (couldn't find pkg on apt-get.org, backports) and it's claiming to want atk >= 1.0.... dpkg -l says I have 1.2 |
| 16:58.13 | xoz | PocKeT: just put those commands in a script. it's a problem maybe of konq instance which are still in memory as insanekane said |
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| 16:58.19 | ZEA | how do I clear the desktop icons in gnome2? |
| 16:58.34 | ZEA | there seems to be no option visible for it |
| 16:58.45 | Pappa | agentbob: python-gtk2 ? |
| 16:58.54 | Pappa | agentbob: if not, you're outta luck |
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| 16:59.40 | agentbob | that's no fun |
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| 17:00.01 | PocKeT | xoz, the problem is next: kdeinit 2885 pocket 129r DIR 3,1 4096 5 /media/ntfs |
| 17:00.02 | Pappa | agentbob: ? |
| 17:00.19 | PocKeT | xoz, if I kill kdeinit then the xserver go down |
| 17:00.23 | agentbob | there is no pyton-gtk2 |
| 17:01.15 | qpee | asg, drac, dvs: it's working now! i misread the lspci info |
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| 17:01.26 | asg | qpee: cool |
| 17:01.32 | greycat | !lsof++ |
| 17:02.04 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 17:02.06 | qpee | asg: althogh its not 100% scharp fonts :) i'll take a look |
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| 17:02.18 | agentbob | anyone tried installing gnome2.2 on woody? any probs? |
| 17:02.27 | dvs | qpee: LCD screen? |
| 17:02.27 | greycat | are you fucking INSANE> |
| 17:02.36 | qpee | dvs: yes |
| 17:02.51 | dvs | qpee: It's just the wrong resolution (not native to the monitor) |
| 17:02.52 | agentbob | grey: well.. the border between madness and genius is vary narrow.. |
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| 17:03.12 | qpee | it's hard to say but windows gets the view sharper |
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| 17:03.47 | jharrisonwk | the border between dumbassedness and insanity is narrow too |
| 17:03.53 | xoz | PocKeT: maybe it's better to mount it by command line then than relying on kde. |
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| 17:04.00 | ar3dam | hi there... i need to installed qmail, but i cant why conflicts with exim4... i try to remove apt get remove exim4-base when press enter, the apt get show this text "The following packages will be REMOVED: at exim4-base exim4-daemon-light mailx mutt mysql-server-4.1", but i dont wanna remove mysql-server |
| 17:04.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump Phated |
| 17:04.05 | FieldySnuts | there we go |
| 17:04.12 | FieldySnuts | hehe hi |
| 17:04.18 | FieldySnuts | shit, "to a" |
| 17:04.25 | Phated | HAHA |
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| 17:04.38 | FieldySnuts | crap, i can't get him to forget it now |
| 17:04.41 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 17:04.50 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 17:04.51 | Phated | Change album to albums. :) |
| 17:04.58 | asg | FieldySnuts: just fix it with a regex |
| 17:05.01 | greycat | ooooh, Phoxy Lady... |
| 17:05.06 | FieldySnuts | i can never remember that string |
| 17:05.06 | ar3dam | hi there... i need to install qmail, but i cant why conflicts with exim4... i try to remove apt get remove exim4-base when press enter, the apt get show this text "The following packages will be REMOVED: at exim4-base exim4-daemon-light mailx mutt mysql-server-4.1", but i dont wanna remove mysql-server |
| 17:05.07 | asg | wah wah |
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| 17:05.23 | asg | ar3dam: install qmail-src or use equivs |
| 17:05.23 | ivo | Hi, can anyone help me with a locale-problem? |
| 17:05.29 | FieldySnuts | "Jimi Hendrix album" just needs replaced with "a Jimi Hendrix album" |
| 17:05.30 | qpee | dvs: for some readon the last words of youor sentence have been cut off. how was the sentence after 'monitor' ending? |
| 17:05.30 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:05.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 17:05.35 | Phated | ravenbird: cmd: hump (.*?) =~ s/to Jimi/to a Jimi/ |
| 17:05.35 | ravenbird | Phated: OK |
| 17:05.44 | Phated | ~hump FieldySnuts |
| 17:05.46 | Phated | Eh. |
| 17:05.49 | Phated | ravenbird: hump FieldySnuts |
| 17:05.54 | PocKeT | xoz, really, last time i mount and umount from command line all devices, but the problem persist when i open a device with konq previously mounted from command line |
| 17:05.56 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Happy? :) |
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| 17:06.00 | dvs | qpee: There was noting after "monitor" |
| 17:06.04 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 17:06.05 | qpee | ok |
| 17:06.05 | Phated | greycat: ? :) |
| 17:06.11 | ivo | I set my LANG environment variable to dutch, but still I don't get things translated in dutch on my screen |
| 17:06.21 | greycat | Phated: jimi hendrix reference + Phated reference |
| 17:06.28 | Phated | greycat: I see. |
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| 17:06.49 | FieldySnuts | i wish he'd lived longer, one can only imagine what he'd have come up with |
| 17:06.52 | qpee | dvs: so you mean i get used to it |
| 17:06.53 | PocKeT | xoz, i have read to much info, and i think the problem is fam deamon, but i don't know if there are another file browser in x-windows that i could use |
| 17:07.01 | cahoot | not speaking english natively - but isn't the langauge in the bot msg above somewhat akward (never mind the pueril content) |
| 17:07.11 | greycat | FieldySnuts: your first highly complex factoid? |
| 17:07.16 | dvs | qpee: No, you can change the resolution of X to the native resolution of your monitor |
| 17:07.22 | Sero | What is the pacage name for mplayer? |
| 17:07.23 | FieldySnuts | greycat: no, i just have a terrible memory |
| 17:07.32 | ivo | So the question really is: what should I check when I want to set the language to my native language when locale is already set appropriately? |
| 17:07.35 | Phated | cahoot: Not overly. |
| 17:07.35 | streuner | Sero: guess |
| 17:07.37 | greycat | Sero: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:07.42 | greycat | streuner: cruel. |
| 17:07.55 | streuner | Sero: add that and apt-cache search mplayer |
| 17:07.56 | FieldySnuts | heh one of the items to be humped with is a Knoppix troll |
| 17:07.59 | Sero | greycat, IT WASN'T WORKING WHEN i TRIED IT. |
| 17:07.59 | FieldySnuts | that should prove popular |
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| 17:08.08 | Phated | dpkg: test |
| 17:08.08 | dpkg | No, phated, you're not online any more. |
| 17:08.10 | larsl | Sero: It's not in the normal apt sources, you need to add one. |
| 17:08.11 | Phated | He's alive. |
| 17:08.15 | greycat | Sero: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:08.15 | Phated | Yay, he's alive. |
| 17:08.24 | asg | Phated: had some issues earlier though |
| 17:08.32 | Phated | asg: Doesn't he always. |
| 17:08.36 | FieldySnuts | aw |
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| 17:08.39 | streuner | !tell Sero about mplayer |
| 17:08.44 | asg | Phated: hehe, yeah, starting to get schizo like apt |
| 17:08.48 | ar3dam | asg, hey, i need to install qmail, i need first to remove exim4-base, without remove mysql-server, when type apt-get remove exim4-base, "The following packages will be REMOVED: at exim4-base exim4-daemon-light mailx mutt mysql-server-4.1", how to remove exim4-base, without mysql-server??? |
| 17:09.03 | Phated | asg: Yep. |
| 17:09.17 | asg | ar3dam: no, you need to create a dummy package that provides 'mail-transport-agent' and install that (it will remove exim and such automatically) |
| 17:09.17 | greycat | !wikifaq ar3dam MailQuestions |
| 17:09.19 | dpkg | ar3dam: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:09.28 | asg | ar3dam: then, you compile your qmail src and install it |
| 17:09.32 | xoz | PocKeT: krusader? |
| 17:10.04 | asg | ar3dam: there is a debian package called qmail-src that does all of this for you but if you insist on doing it yourself, then install equivs and read the docs about creating the necessary dummy package. |
| 17:10.16 | greycat | asg: just like in the FAQ :) |
| 17:10.16 | asg | greycat: grrr, yeah :) |
| 17:10.26 | asg | greycat: I need to type, my fingers were getting cold. |
| 17:10.40 | PocKeT | xoz, i'm going to install it, thx |
| 17:10.42 | qpee | dvs: the monitor supports 1280x1024 which i am using right now. |
| 17:11.00 | qpee | dvs: i can't interprete the word 'native' correnctly |
| 17:11.11 | FieldySnuts | irony |
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| 17:11.37 | asg | ar3dam: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions (section 1.3) |
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| 17:12.01 | dvs | qpee: I guess the native resolution is the highest resolution the monitor will support |
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| 17:12.16 | FieldySnuts | lcd? |
| 17:12.23 | dvs | FieldySnuts: yup |
| 17:12.34 | dupondje | hi, having a prob, i had powercut, now i get fsck failed, run it manually :s but how do i need to boot ? Linux single doesn't work :s |
| 17:12.34 | FieldySnuts | depends, some that's true, others will go past it by a few steps |
| 17:13.14 | asg | dupondje: in what way does 'Linux single' not work? |
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| 17:14.05 | dupondje | giving same error |
| 17:14.17 | asg | dupondje: what error? |
| 17:14.18 | Phated | Doesn't it just complete the rest of the boot? |
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| 17:14.31 | Phated | If fsck fails, just finish booting and... run it manually. |
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| 17:14.58 | PocKeT | xoz, ooh, krusader is good, and no there are problem to umount the device, but i can't use the open with... menu to open directly the mounted device |
| 17:15.03 | dupondje | fsck failed. Please repair manually and reboot. Please note that the root file system is currently mounted read-only. To remount it read-write : mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 17:15.08 | dupondje | ./dev/hda1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck Manually. (i.e. , without -a or -p options) |
| 17:15.15 | dupondje | but can't type anything there :s |
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| 17:16.28 | boukensya | hey guys.. I am finally going mac and I am installing debian on my mac and am getting an error "No newworld boot partition found.. etc..." |
| 17:16.35 | boukensya | what is this? |
| 17:16.50 | asg | dupondje: you can't type at the console? Do you have some odd usb wireless fuckage for an input device? |
| 17:16.57 | boukensya | how big should I make it? and should it be the first partition? |
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| 17:17.06 | NP_comple | ha all |
| 17:17.27 | NP_comple | Hot to launc a second plane comand, inside a shell script? |
| 17:17.34 | pyr_ | re fdisk in debian: is there any usefulness in the logical/primary distinction if you use no windows partitions? |
| 17:17.35 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 17:17.51 | NP_comple | excse me bout poor writing, i'll repeat... |
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| 17:18.25 | NP_comple | How to launch a second plane command inside a shell script?? |
| 17:18.28 | greycat | NP_comple: a background job? |
| 17:18.32 | NP_comple | yes |
| 17:18.36 | greycat | foobar & |
| 17:18.43 | qpee_ | dvs: sotty, but i was disconnected; my last words where that i 'misinterpreted the word native'. did you say anything to me you could repeat |
| 17:18.57 | NP_comple | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
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| 17:19.25 | NP_comple | Inside a script i got: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 17:19.38 | xoz | NP_comple: don't use comma after the command? |
| 17:19.48 | xoz | semicolon |
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| 17:20.00 | greycat | I will not kill the newbie moron. I will not kill the newbie moron. I will not kill the newbie moron. Even if he DID put &; in a shell script and DIDN'T show us the offending code. |
| 17:20.03 | torpet | hi |
| 17:20.16 | NP_comple | xoz i use ; |
| 17:20.22 | greycat | YOU USED &; YOU FUCKTARD. |
| 17:20.25 | asg | hah |
| 17:20.28 | xoz | NP_comple: remove it |
| 17:20.31 | NP_comple | I need to do a sleep! |
| 17:20.42 | NP_comple | I can't remove coma, cause i need to wait |
| 17:20.47 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:20.47 | Phated | SEMICOLON |
| 17:20.59 | asg | NP_comple: have you asked in #bash yet? |
| 17:21.02 | greycat | NO! |
| 17:21.04 | NP_comple | fuet! |
| 17:21.11 | greycat | oh wait, I won't see it. it's a channel-independent /ignore. |
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| 17:21.22 | Phated | greycat: Your ignore list seems to be growing very long. |
| 17:21.32 | greycat | Phated: most of them expire after 10 days. |
| 17:21.40 | Phated | greycat: Ah. |
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| 17:21.41 | torpet | i have a problem with esd |
| 17:21.54 | lrojas | hi all |
| 17:21.57 | tam | is there a way in debian to see what speed your ram is? |
| 17:21.59 | greycat | torpet: most people do, if they've evern tried it. |
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| 17:22.17 | lrojas | i was wondering if i have sarge net install cd, can i install debian stable with it? |
| 17:22.27 | Phated | It's... a sarge cd... |
| 17:22.32 | toomboy | i always forget.. sarge is testing? sid is unstable ? |
| 17:22.33 | andax | tam: look for a test program on sourceforge |
| 17:22.36 | torpet | i've written "esd&" in the xinitrc of xfce4. but es never starts automatic |
| 17:22.44 | Mage__ | esd sucks |
| 17:22.47 | torpet | i always have to open a xterm und write esd& |
| 17:22.50 | torpet | then it works |
| 17:22.52 | tam | andax: any rough ideas of the name of it? |
| 17:22.52 | torpet | :( |
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| 17:23.08 | torpet | esd is better than buggy arts |
| 17:23.10 | andax | tam: there is a nice search box there, be creative and type what you need :) |
| 17:23.36 | lrojas | ok... but i was under the impression that it all depends on the repositories you want... i ask because as far as i know there is no debian stable netwrok install cd |
| 17:23.48 | tam | andax: cheers |
| 17:23.56 | lrojas | besides, the sarge installer recognizes hardware better i think |
| 17:24.10 | Phated | Sarge and woody have a different base system. AFAIK. |
| 17:24.30 | lrojas | hmmm |
| 17:24.34 | lrojas | :/ |
| 17:24.39 | boukensya | so noone has a debian mac? |
| 17:24.41 | Phated | Versions are going to be different. |
| 17:24.56 | lrojas | is there a woody network install cd ? |
| 17:25.07 | larsl | A question about the installer: my ISPs DHCP server is slow, and the installer wouldn't configure my network card because it wouldn't wait long enough for a DHCPOFFER. Is there any way to tell the installer to wait longer? |
| 17:25.12 | torpet | i think that there are inofficial ones |
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| 17:25.27 | Phated | I'v used woody netinstall floppies. <shrug> Unofficial. |
| 17:25.48 | torpet | larsl: man dhclient, man pump, man dhcpcd |
| 17:25.56 | lrojas | ok, perhap;s i should aproach this diferently... does sarge can be installed with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:26.07 | Phated | Sure. It's actually the default. |
| 17:26.11 | lrojas | ok |
| 17:26.15 | icry0000 | hi, any programmer here? |
| 17:26.20 | larsl | torpet: Yes, I got it configured now, I just wondered if the automatic configuration in the installer could be tweaked. |
| 17:26.22 | dvs | icry0000: no |
| 17:26.39 | icry0000 | ?? |
| 17:26.40 | icry0000 | why |
| 17:26.43 | lrojas | i will try installing sarge then... Boy the lenghts i would go to, to have WoW running |
| 17:26.49 | icry0000 | bad luck |
| 17:26.55 | dvs | icry0000: Just ask the question |
| 17:26.58 | LinuxMafia | how do i restart wirless network? |
| 17:26.59 | BrianAnthony | lrojas: keep strong, CS runs =) |
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| 17:27.11 | lrojas | CS ? |
| 17:27.20 | BrianAnthony | lrojas: Counter-Strike |
| 17:27.20 | icry0000 | everyone, for my apologize, |
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| 17:27.29 | lrojas | BrianAnthony, whats strong ? |
| 17:27.31 | icry0000 | i want to ask a simple question |
| 17:27.36 | xoz | LinuxMafia: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:27.42 | lrojas | icry0000, then ask it |
| 17:27.44 | icry0000 | How could i gdb a gcc generated .s file?? |
| 17:27.54 | LinuxMafia | xoz: 10x |
| 17:28.01 | icry0000 | thanks |
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| 17:28.21 | schlurchz | icry0000 doesn't dare to :-) |
| 17:28.29 | icry0000 | i gdbed a as generated file |
| 17:28.35 | icry0000 | with ld |
| 17:28.41 | lrojas | icry0000, perhaps in #c you could find a better answerr |
| 17:28.46 | xoz | LinuxMafia: or remove and reinsert the module to reset it |
| 17:28.48 | wers | hmm.. Where are the svncviewer configfiles located after an apt-get install? |
| 17:28.51 | larsl | icry0000: You can only debug an executable. |
| 17:28.56 | asg | wers: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 17:28.59 | icry0000 | ok , i'll try |
| 17:29.00 | icry0000 | yeah |
| 17:29.03 | icry0000 | i know |
| 17:29.05 | wers | asg.ty |
| 17:29.07 | Phated | xoz: Wouldn't ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 work too? :) |
| 17:29.18 | lrojas | well, perhaps he mean that the .s files has the symbols and he wants to include them |
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| 17:29.36 | larsl | icry0000: Maybe if you generate the assembly files first and then compile them (with -g) instead of the C sources. |
| 17:29.45 | death-incarnate | anyone in here experienced with root over NFS? i am having problems making it work well with 2.4.x. works fine on 2.6, but I need 2.4 for OpenMosix. |
| 17:29.46 | icry0000 | i use the foo.s which gcc generated to gcc -g -o foo.s |
| 17:29.57 | icry0000 | i got an a.out |
| 17:30.02 | xoz | Phated: sometimes, buggy modules need to be reinserted. mine works this way. |
| 17:30.07 | larsl | death-incarnate: I think root is squashed by default over NFS. |
| 17:30.13 | FieldySnuts | exim[12937]: 2005-03-22 12:28:58 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=adsl-4-70-246.cae.bellsouth.net [65.4.70.246] input="HELO localhost\r\n" |
| 17:30.16 | Phated | xoz: I dunno, I thought he just wanted to restart it or something. |
| 17:30.17 | icry0000 | larsl, yeah |
| 17:30.18 | FieldySnuts | morons. then it tries 200 more times or so. |
| 17:30.21 | icry0000 | i tried |
| 17:30.26 | asg | FieldySnuts: then blacklist it |
| 17:30.32 | Phated | FieldySnuts: KILL :) |
| 17:30.39 | death-incarnate | larsl, so i should change the line in /etc/exports? should i add root-squash, or add something to counteract it? |
| 17:30.46 | FieldySnuts | yeah, as if i can keep up with every single host trying this (thousands a day) |
| 17:30.50 | xoz | Phated: im thinking that restarting command is trivial... so he must have problems with the module. |
| 17:30.51 | asg | B |
| 17:30.51 | FieldySnuts | good thought but impracticle |
| 17:30.52 | death-incarnate | not too familiar with what root-squash does |
| 17:30.53 | icry0000 | but failed with a error: |
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| 17:31.02 | Phated | xoz: Maybe he just didn't know it. :) |
| 17:31.03 | greycat | FieldySnuts: the point of flagging the protocol violation is to blacklist that IP. |
| 17:31.14 | Phated | FieldySnuts: See? greycat agrees with me! :) |
| 17:31.17 | LinuxMafia | xoz: i can not get my wireless working |
| 17:31.19 | FieldySnuts | greycat: the problem is there are around 880 others so far today |
| 17:31.20 | Phated | Or with asg, actually. |
| 17:31.24 | xoz | Phated: maybe. |
| 17:31.25 | FieldySnuts | anyway. i'm done bitching |
| 17:31.29 | asg | FieldySnuts: if you use exim4, you can do it in an ACL (exim may even allow you to turn off support for broken protocol support) |
| 17:31.30 | xoz | LinuxMafia: is it working before? |
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| 17:31.38 | larsl | death-incarnate: root-squash takes away root access, so even if you look at an NFS mount as root (on the client) you can't get to stuff that only root (on the server) can read. |
| 17:31.39 | Phated | xoz: This was a really silly discussion. :) |
| 17:31.47 | FieldySnuts | probably. i'd rather must murder the fckers |
| 17:31.50 | FieldySnuts | just |
| 17:31.55 | LinuxMafia | xoz: it is working in windows , but i want to install linux too |
| 17:31.57 | xoz | Phated: it is ;) |
| 17:31.57 | lrojas | what the Debian comunity needs is a Comprehensive HOW-TO on common task and not-so-common tasks |
| 17:32.07 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I'll do *stabfacestabby* if you want. |
| 17:32.08 | caphuso | lrojas: write one |
| 17:32.11 | asg | lrojas: we are working on it (see the channel faq) |
| 17:32.13 | Phated | lrojas: Like... the FAQ? |
| 17:32.15 | larsl | death-incarnate: I don't remember what the option was, but it should be in one of the man pages (I haven't set up NFS yet since I changed to debian). |
| 17:32.21 | addNtoX | how can i find out which xserver is just running? |
| 17:32.24 | Phated | xoz: :) What's up with you? |
| 17:32.29 | xoz | LinuxMafia: do you know what hardware it is? |
| 17:32.29 | lrojas | caphuso, i would if i knew enough |
| 17:32.44 | addNtoX | ....hope this question ain't too dumb :) |
| 17:32.46 | LinuxMafia | xoz: yes , just a sec i will tell You |
| 17:32.55 | timo | addNtoX, xdpyinfo |
| 17:32.56 | death-incarnate | larsl, hmm. that might apply, though i don't think it's the problem here - 2.6 netbooting over PXE can boot my NFS export, but 2.4 can't. maybe it needs something different. |
| 17:33.03 | mythsmith | hi! I have a problem with jackd. I can only start it from root. Otherwise it says: jack_create_thread: error 1 setting scheduler parameters after thread creation: Operation not permitted; cannot start watchdog thread; cannot load driver module alsa. Help! |
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| 17:33.04 | lrojas | Phated, i was thinking more along the lines of the Ubuntu Starter Guide |
| 17:33.16 | xoz | Phated: what dya mean? |
| 17:33.25 | Phated | lrojas: Haven't read it. The FAQ seems halfway decent. |
| 17:33.29 | valdyn | addNtoX: look into its logfile /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:33.41 | cahoot | lrojas: checked out the debian reference? |
| 17:33.45 | Phated | xoz: I dunno, it was a way of making small talk in order to prevent an abrupt and awkward stop in conversation. :) |
| 17:33.53 | Phated | LinuxMafia: Have you like configured the interface, loaded the module, all that stuff? |
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| 17:34.15 | larsl | death-incarnate: Hm, never tried that, I just use NFS for file server access. |
| 17:34.20 | LinuxMafia | Phated: i am using knoppix |
| 17:34.37 | Phated | Let's go back one step. Have you asked #knoppix? |
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| 17:34.46 | LinuxMafia | xoz: Atheros AR512 802.11abg |
| 17:34.46 | death-incarnate | larsl, no worries. ill keep fucking with it |
| 17:34.47 | lrojas | ok, i have cheked thos documents, i was thinking more along this lines http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/starterguide |
| 17:34.54 | addNtoX | timo: well it says : unable to open display |
| 17:35.14 | Phated | And, you know, even if you're using knoppix, have you configured the interface and loaded the required module? |
| 17:35.14 | addNtoX | valdyn: unfortunately there are no timestamps in none of both logs :( |
| 17:35.25 | timo | addNtoX, try 'DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo' |
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| 17:35.51 | Phated | Isn't Add N to X a band or something? |
| 17:35.53 | LinuxMafia | Phated: i dont know how to configure , it is my first tiem trying to use wireless in linux :-( |
| 17:36.16 | Phated | Isn't knoppix supposed to have fancy hardware stuff and everything? |
| 17:36.22 | Phated | LinuxMafia: Man interfaces. |
| 17:36.26 | xoz | LinuxMafia: goto /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/kernel/drivers/net/wireless |
| 17:36.29 | asg | LinuxMafia: man 7 wireless ; man iwconfig |
| 17:36.54 | LinuxMafia | xoz: ok then? |
| 17:36.59 | Phated | Then read. |
| 17:37.10 | xoz | LinuxMafia: since i don't know what's the driver for your card, try modprobe one of the files there without the extensio. try modprobe orinoco |
| 17:37.23 | xoz | LinuxMafia: is your wireless card internal? |
| 17:37.29 | jharrisonwk | mmmm orinoco |
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| 17:38.21 | larsl | I think the installer wrote a bad LANGUAGE setting (LANGUAGE = "en_SE:en_US:en_GB:en" pops up every time I run apt-get, never heard of en_SE), where can I change that? |
| 17:38.30 | xoz | LinuxMafia: if there is no complaint, it might be working. |
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| 17:38.43 | xoz | LinuxMafia: try iwconfig if your card is detected. |
| 17:39.11 | LinuxMafia | xophEr: yes |
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| 17:39.22 | xoz | LinuxMafia: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 17:39.24 | wers | has anybody gotten svncviewer to work? i cant configure the client and it complains about an unconfigured mouse. |
| 17:39.38 | lrojas | wich has more potential to break my system if i am using sarge with the 2.4 kernel, Testing or Unstable? |
| 17:39.39 | Phated | xoz: Not working net connection... :) |
| 17:39.48 | greycat | lrojas: duh. unstable. |
| 17:39.52 | LinuxMafia | xoz: iwconfig shows my card at the first place |
| 17:39.54 | larsl | lrojas: Sarge is Testing. |
| 17:39.59 | death-incarnate | lrojas, both are fairly "stable" |
| 17:40.07 | greycat | lrojas: but your question is internally inconsistent. If you are using sarge, you are by definition NOT using unstable. |
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| 17:40.30 | death-incarnate | greycat, ?SYNTAX ERROR :) |
| 17:40.40 | xoz | LinuxMafia: does it contain info such as mode, encryption, etc? |
| 17:40.58 | xoz | Phated: how's singapore weather? |
| 17:41.02 | agentbob | why do people still insist on shared libraries... it's not like there's a space shortage anymore |
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| 17:41.21 | zamolxes | agentbob, .. |
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| 17:41.22 | agentbob | i hope that klix pkg mgt takes off |
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| 17:41.27 | larsl | agentbob: Because you don't need to update 666 programs to fix a single bug in a library. |
| 17:41.34 | greycat | agentbob: so that when a bug is fixed in the library, you don't have to RECOMPILE THE ENTIRE FUCKING SYSTEM. |
| 17:41.52 | Phated | xoz: Hot. |
| 17:41.56 | agentbob | excuses! |
| 17:42.02 | LinuxMafia | xoz: i used wlcardconfig |
| 17:42.02 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some way to shape the bandwidth of a vserver on debian? i readed docs but nothing looks fine |
| 17:42.12 | asg | zaikxtox: lartc.org |
| 17:42.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump agentbob |
| 17:42.16 | larsl | zaikxtox: What's a vserver? |
| 17:42.26 | agentbob | mmm kinky |
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| 17:42.32 | LinuxMafia | xoz: , but it did , at begining , but it was not connected to internet |
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| 17:42.46 | larsl | Where can I edit the locale settings on a Debian system? |
| 17:42.51 | zaikxtox | asg, thanks |
| 17:42.51 | lrojas | ok thanks guys, it should have been obvious to me but i was thinking in ubuntu terms.. sorry |
| 17:42.53 | greycat | larsl: /etc/environment or various other places |
| 17:43.04 | greycat | larsl: ideally, the Debian Way(tm), dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:43.23 | xoz | LinuxMafia: assuming it is working... do you have a AP configured for dhcp connection? |
| 17:43.49 | SilentB0B | xchat 2.4.2 isn't in the debian repos yet? |
| 17:44.04 | asg | !info xchat sid |
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| 17:44.17 | pipeline | SilentB0B: GASP IN HORROR! |
| 17:44.19 | xoz | LinuxMafia: you have to configure AP server to accept WEP/automatic |
| 17:44.20 | LinuxMafia | xoz: what is an aP? |
| 17:44.23 | streuner | !info xchat-gnome |
| 17:44.30 | asg | streuner: it's updating files |
| 17:44.34 | xoz | LinuxMafia: wireless access point |
| 17:44.43 | zaikxtox | asg, i tryed with the tc command |
| 17:44.45 | pipeline | SilentB0B: You might have to use... 2.4.1! |
| 17:44.45 | larsl | greycat: Thanks. |
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| 17:44.51 | streuner | asg: xchat-gnome is prolly the old version in woody |
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| 17:45.04 | zaikxtox | asg, but on the vserver it says RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted |
| 17:45.15 | LinuxMafia | xoz, i this it is so , cause winodws is working already |
| 17:45.15 | lewis | hey there - i want to recompile my 2.4 kernel with the 'HZ patch' - is this the best place to get it from: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/variable-HZ/v2.4/ ? |
| 17:45.18 | cahoot | larsl: some eu thing? |
| 17:45.28 | asg | zaikxtox: hmmm, don't know there. |
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| 17:45.36 | larsl | cahoot: English with a Swedish accent? |
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| 17:45.46 | cahoot | larsl: just |
| 17:46.06 | asg | streuner: well, looks like dpkg just didn't want to talk about it. |
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| 17:47.22 | toomboy | if im wanting to goto stable to testing, and i issue the dist-upgrade, why is it forcing me to remove apache, mysql, php and a ton of other pkgs i require ? |
| 17:48.00 | streuner | asg: well, dpkg thinking its prolly a secret ;-) |
| 17:48.00 | xoz | LinuxMafia: you need to read linux wireless howto. google it. apt-get install wireless-tools and read the docs. i got to sleep now.... |
| 17:48.06 | asg | streuner: hehe |
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| 17:48.18 | LinuxMafia | xoz: thanks so much |
| 17:48.25 | thomas_adam | lewis: Presumably. |
| 17:48.32 | LinuxMafia | xoz , thanks so much for help |
| 17:48.45 | xoz | LinuxMafia: np. see you next time. |
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| 17:48.48 | asg | too/away work |
| 17:48.56 | lewis | thomas_adam: wow |
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| 17:49.06 | greycat | toomboy: the recommended woody->sarge technique these days is "aptitude dist-upgrade", not apt-get any more. |
| 17:49.33 | greycat | toomboy: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 17:49.50 | lewis | thomas_adam: sorry to be simple, can i have the command to patch a kernel tree, with a .patch file? |
| 17:50.04 | thomas_adam | lewis: Err? |
| 17:50.14 | greycat | lewis: isn't it in the README file in the kernel top-level dir? |
| 17:50.15 | coll | how do i split a winxp's free space on a 15gb partition to another partition so i can put linux on? |
| 17:50.33 | coll | i dont want to go about installing partition magic for this |
| 17:50.37 | grigora | does anyone know how to configure saslauthd to authenticate against a Kerberos KDC server? |
| 17:50.39 | greycat | lewis: and why in the name of lucifer would you be PATCHING a KERNEL if you don't know how to use patch(1)? |
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| 17:50.56 | lewis | heh |
| 17:51.30 | PocKeT | xoz, thx very much, only a last question xD. any form to open a device directly from the desktop with krusader? |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | coll: chkdsk /f C: (let it reboot), install partition magic, clicky-click, apply changes (let it reboot), uninstall partition magic, reboot again to the debian CD. |
| 17:52.07 | lewis | 'patch -p1 xyz.patch' :) |
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| 17:52.11 | greycat | lewis: wrong. |
| 17:52.19 | greycat | thank you for playing "DUH, how to I read a README file?" |
| 17:52.34 | ix | hahaha |
| 17:52.44 | lewis | they used gzip examples, i apologize |
| 17:52.52 | FieldySnuts | or duh how do i read man patch |
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| 17:53.37 | lewis | sarcasm overload - 'patch -p1 <xyz.patch' |
| 17:53.58 | greycat | I sometimes think the maintainers of GNU patch intentionally keep it unable to read the name of a patchfile on the command line, just to make people *think*. |
| 17:54.08 | coll | so i need partition magic heh |
| 17:54.27 | coll | oh well |
| 17:54.30 | coll | i figured there's some other way |
| 17:54.37 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't trust that proprietary dung heap with anything |
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| 17:54.46 | greycat | coll: some people claim to have done it with free tools but I don't really trust any of them |
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| 17:55.04 | greycat | FieldySnuts: eh, it's a trade-secret file system. it's *all* reverse engineered guesswork. |
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| 17:55.11 | greycat | free or not, pick your poison |
| 17:55.34 | lewis | greycat: quick question then, anything wrong with http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/variable-HZ/v2.4/vhz-j64-2.4.23.patch for patching a 2.4.27 kernel, to change HZ from 100 to 1000? |
| 17:55.35 | FieldySnuts | I think i'll chose not to use the fs in the first place |
| 17:55.56 | greycat | lewis: ask someone who knows linux internals. how the hell would I know? why should I care? why do YOU care? |
| 17:55.58 | FieldySnuts | geez you really don't understand patching do you, go on and try and use a 2.4.23 patch against 2.4.27. |
| 17:56.01 | toomboy | greycat: ok will do, and fyi dpkg gives different info on stable->testing which is referenced in 'dist-upgrade' |
| 17:56.07 | greycat | why are you trying to patch a kernel? |
| 17:56.16 | greycat | toomboy: yes, I noticed. |
| 17:56.44 | lewis | i am trying to change the HZ value of a kernel tree I had from a long time ago |
| 17:56.45 | greycat | toomboy: or rather, I noticed the stable->testing, but not the dist-upgrade one. |
| 17:56.51 | greycat | lewis: because...? |
| 17:57.05 | airox | Would somebody know if there is an libapache-mod-security backport for testing ? |
| 17:57.07 | greycat | "Because I know much better than Alan Cox and Linus!!!1!" |
| 17:57.29 | lewis | because i need to have a higher tickrate, for lower latency in certain applications |
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| 17:58.21 | greycat | dpkg, dist-upgrade =~ s#'potato->woody'#'woody->sarge'# |
| 17:58.21 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:58.25 | lrojas | probably a dumb question but is there a way to have consoles 1 through 6 be FB Devices? so i can have spiffier looking terminal screens in my box? |
| 17:58.26 | valdyn | lewis: 10ms latency is to much? |
| 17:58.30 | lewis | yes |
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| 17:59.00 | asg | hehe |
| 17:59.04 | pucko- | hello. I have a laptop with win98 and no network (simply a null-modem cable). is it possible to transfer some files somehow from my linux workstation? (the laptop doesn't have a floppy either) |
| 17:59.20 | valdyn | lewis: most latency issues arent related to kernel tick rate |
| 17:59.48 | dvs | pucko-: USB thumbdrive |
| 17:59.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rube goldberg install? |
| 17:59.59 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 18:00.26 | pipeline | pucko-: It is indeed possible to install over null-modem, but it really, really sucks. |
| 18:00.26 | lewis | greycat: i'll be off, and find a 2.4.27 patch |
| 18:00.34 | pipeline | pucko-: Also, you can't use d-i. |
| 18:00.36 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Was this goldberg guy real? |
| 18:00.47 | pucko- | pipeline, what's d-i? |
| 18:00.47 | greycat | !pal dvs |
| 18:00.51 | greycat | pucko-: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 18:01.17 | pucko- | btw, I mainly need to transfer some files. then I'm ok for a few days. |
| 18:01.25 | pipeline | pucko-: I suggest you use windows98's internal method of using PLIP to copy enough files to the local disk to install. That's going to be ugly and not-fun, but less horrible than actually installing. |
| 18:01.29 | greycat | http://www.google.com/search?q=rube+goldberg |
| 18:01.54 | pipeline | pucko-: Oh, you just want to talk between linux and win98 with PLIP? Tough shit. That'll be hell. Does it have a serial port? |
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| 18:02.19 | FieldySnuts | heh i did plip once, what a disaster |
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| 18:02.39 | elirips | can someone tell me a good reader for newsgroups for linux/kde? |
| 18:02.48 | pipeline | PLIP, in theory, will work between linux and windows 98 |
| 18:02.52 | pipeline | but it's not going to be fun to set up |
| 18:02.58 | pipeline | SLIP is easy because you can use software built into win98 :P |
| 18:03.01 | FieldySnuts | yeah i was weeks figuring that out. note I was very new at the time |
| 18:03.14 | FieldySnuts | the most fun was hacking apart the parallel cable and rewiring it |
| 18:03.56 | wers | my keymapping is good in the console but how do I configure the keymappings in X,its the wrong language. |
| 18:04.04 | asg | wers: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 18:04.13 | larsl | elirips: Evolution. %-) |
| 18:04.13 | wers | asg.. thanx again. |
| 18:04.15 | sroddy | hey all |
| 18:04.19 | asg | wers: you're welcome |
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| 18:04.41 | sroddy | little question is ther any way to protect a file from writing even by the tar program? |
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| 18:05.02 | asg | sroddy: man chattr |
| 18:05.12 | larsl | sroddy: How do you mean? tar doesn't have any special access. |
| 18:05.20 | pipeline | FieldySnuts, Pucky: Heh, a few years ago I knew a guy who rigged up five or six 486's running FreeBSD 4.3 with a series of PLIP and SLIP connections |
| 18:05.22 | sroddy | i'll explain |
| 18:05.46 | pipeline | FieldySnuts, pucko-: Used routed magic to make a very, very high-latency low-bandwidth low-budget token ring :P |
| 18:05.48 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: ugh! |
| 18:05.55 | sroddy | i need to put a file that would be overwritten by a tar archive |
| 18:06.07 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: i had a slip link up through a serial cable, i called it ghetto networking for good reason |
| 18:06.12 | sroddy | i'll try chattr thnz |
| 18:06.20 | pipeline | FieldySnuts, pucko-: Each system only had one parallel port, so you would have alternating "high" and "low" bandwidth connections in the ring. |
| 18:06.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 18:06.46 | pipeline | It's pretty relative when we're talking about a network built out of 4BSD routed and PLIP/SLIP :P |
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| 18:10.53 | sroddy | well |
| 18:11.07 | sroddy | but if i place a +i file in a tar archive |
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| 18:11.25 | sroddy | will that archive preserve the attribute? |
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| 18:12.29 | asg | sroddy: no (http://howtos.linux.com/guides/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap29sec307.shtml) |
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| 18:12.48 | deejoe_ | what's up with archive.d.o? I can't reach it. Is it just me? |
| 18:12.49 | sroddy | uhm |
| 18:12.57 | ark3qqq | Is "testing" still the same as "Sarge" these days? |
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| 18:13.14 | asg | ark3qqq: yes |
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| 18:14.11 | ark3qqq | asg: If I change all references to "testing" in my sources.list to say "sarge" instead, I'll get the same packages? |
| 18:14.27 | asg | ark3qqq: yes |
| 18:14.35 | ark3qqq | asg: Excellent, thanks. |
| 18:14.36 | canneloni | hi, does anywhere a table exist where the typical fileaccess permissions are listed? |
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| 18:14.47 | asg | sroddy: you might look at pax or dump and see if they support extended attributes. |
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| 18:14.55 | canneloni | or better a script to restore it |
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| 18:14.59 | darkdjproject | I have a Sweex 10/100/1000 Mbps Network card (Realtek RTL8169s-32 chip) but Debian 3.0 doesn't support it on the install some 1 know the problem? |
| 18:15.23 | ix | your kernel. |
| 18:15.25 | canneloni | i think ive destroyed my whole file access permissions |
| 18:15.32 | asg | canneloni: ouch |
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| 18:15.46 | canneloni | chmod -R is dangerous !! |
| 18:15.47 | darkdjproject | IX: im just installing Debian 3.0 Kernel 2.2 |
| 18:15.54 | asg | canneloni: yes, do you have backups? |
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| 18:16.02 | ix | oh, 2.2 |
| 18:16.05 | canneloni | no |
| 18:16.16 | ix | and you seriously *expect* to have gigabit-NIC support? |
| 18:16.21 | ix | :) |
| 18:16.33 | Roberto_ | Salve c'è qualche italiano a cui posso chiedere? / Hello, is there any italian to whom i can ask? |
| 18:16.43 | darkdjproject | i want that card working.. so i have network on the PC.. |
| 18:16.52 | ix | darkdjproject, get a newer kernel. |
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| 18:17.01 | ix | learn about it! the kernel is half the system. |
| 18:17.02 | canneloni | but its not much installed, if i could get back the typical permissions of a standard debian woody system it would be alright |
| 18:17.25 | darkdjproject | i have the Cd's of Debian 3.0 ^o) so how 2 get the new kernel with it |
| 18:17.41 | ix | you have to install it afterwards |
| 18:17.44 | jez | if i want to enable cpu frequency stepping on my laptop (pentium M) is cpudyn the way to go? |
| 18:17.45 | ix | there are plenty of howtos |
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| 18:17.54 | ix | and probably some precompiled kernels in the apt-archive, too |
| 18:17.58 | asg | canneloni: you are probably better off backing up your volatile data and reinstalling then |
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| 18:18.18 | ark3qqq | darkdjproject: There are a number of installer images at <http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html> -- maybe one of them will let you install. Then you can install the rest of your system using your CDs. |
| 18:18.22 | Pappa | what program would i use to make this wav file have crappier quality? |
| 18:18.36 | Roberto_ | I have a problem installing my debian woody in a notebook BenQ Joybook 6000 with an external cd usb 2.0, can someone help me please? |
| 18:18.38 | larsl | Pappa: You mean you want to downsample it? |
| 18:18.41 | ark3qqq | Pappa: sox may work, if you want to end up with a wav file as well. |
| 18:18.43 | Pappa | larsl: yes |
| 18:18.49 | busboy | anyone familar with ipcop networking? |
| 18:18.53 | darkdjproject | but then the setup wouldn't be 100% while i need some other things.. and i had often errors with later installing network cards |
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| 18:18.56 | larsl | Pappa: Any soundfile editor should be able to do that. |
| 18:19.10 | ix | what are you talking about? |
| 18:19.11 | Pappa | i'll check out sox |
| 18:19.19 | Pappa | yes but i dont have x at handy now |
| 18:19.19 | ix | do you expect to have everything working out of the box? |
| 18:19.22 | Pappa | at hand* |
| 18:19.25 | larsl | But if you just want it to be smaller you can convert it to Vorbis. |
| 18:19.27 | ix | linux is about configuratiuon, darkdjproject :) |
| 18:19.32 | ix | configuration* |
| 18:19.36 | darkdjproject | im installing now.. |
| 18:19.45 | darkdjproject | but that card wouldn't work |
| 18:19.52 | Pappa | larsl: it's gonna be "background music" at a web page, so vorbis = no go |
| 18:20.00 | Roberto_ | I have a problem installing my debian woody in a notebook BenQ Joybook 6000 with an external cd usb 2.0, can someone help me please? |
| 18:20.00 | Delph | Pappa: please don't. |
| 18:20.02 | Pappa | or rather, just insane screaming |
| 18:20.07 | ix | seriously - read what I am saying, and read it SLOWLY: |
| 18:20.09 | ark3qqq | Pappa: Why not use MP3? |
| 18:20.10 | rox | guys, im tired with xmms ... what to use for music? |
| 18:20.13 | Pappa | Delph: it's a parody, it's allowed |
| 18:20.15 | Delph | Ah, insane screaming is ok. |
| 18:20.20 | ix | darkdjproject, you have to install the system *first*, then replace the kernel *later* |
| 18:20.21 | petemc | Roberto_: use sarge |
| 18:20.26 | greycat | ark3qqq: patented. |
| 18:20.39 | greycat | !info libvorbis0a sid |
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| 18:20.46 | larsl | greycat: But that's only valid in USA. =) |
| 18:20.49 | deejoe_ | what's up with archive.d.o? I can't reach it. Is it just me? |
| 18:20.52 | greycat | larsl: and germany and ... |
| 18:20.56 | darkdjproject | but i had every time that my network card wouldn't work when i didn't installing it with the setup |
| 18:20.58 | Roberto_ | Petemc: I have downloaded the 7 cds of woody, i need to download other cds? |
| 18:21.02 | larsl | Software patents in Germany? |
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| 18:21.11 | ark3qqq | greycat: I suppose that's one good answer. Still, for "background sounds" I can't think of any other highly-compressed formats. |
| 18:21.13 | Pappa | no patents here |
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| 18:21.17 | lidocaine | all 7? crazy |
| 18:21.20 | lidocaine | :P |
| 18:21.24 | Pappa | but neway mp3 background music doesnt work either |
| 18:21.25 | petemc | Roberto_: for an uncomplicated install on that hardware, you need sarge |
| 18:21.32 | greycat | ark3qqq: vorbis kicks ass all over everything else in the 64-128 kbps range. |
| 18:21.34 | travisat | urandom makes good background sounds |
| 18:21.48 | deejoe_ | are there small players that play ogg yet? |
| 18:21.48 | greycat | ark3qqq: below 64 kbps, it becomes more "interesting". for some things, vorbis might be ok. for speech, speex is better. |
| 18:21.55 | Pappa | it's so sweet to cat it to /dev/dsp |
| 18:22.11 | travisat | its like the ocean |
| 18:22.24 | ark3qqq | greycat: I agree. I'm simply pointing out that for "background sounds" on a web page, Vorbis (or Speex) is not an option. |
| 18:22.31 | stew | soothing sounds of a windtunnel |
| 18:22.32 | greycat | oh, oh a WEB page... |
| 18:22.34 | Roberto_ | petemc: Thanks a lot. Now i'll search on debian website for sarge |
| 18:22.37 | greycat | that asks for MIDI. |
| 18:22.41 | ix | darkdjproject: I am not asking you, I'm telling you a fact - *you need a newer kernel to make your nic work* |
| 18:22.45 | larsl | But MIDI isn't sound... |
| 18:22.46 | petemc | Roberto_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:22.47 | Pappa | not midi please not midi |
| 18:22.47 | travisat | ark3qqq: you put sound on webpage, I won't go to it |
| 18:22.58 | ark3qqq | greycat: If only MIDI had an "insane screaming" instrument. :) |
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| 18:23.05 | greycat | better yet, silence. web pages should not make noise. |
| 18:23.08 | Pappa | travisat: you would if all it contained was jackass screaming |
| 18:23.09 | Pappa | lol |
| 18:23.13 | ark3qqq | travisat: I'm just trying to answer Pappa's question. |
| 18:23.31 | Pappa | mp3 doesnt work in IE im afraid |
| 18:23.34 | Roberto_ | Petemc: thanks |
| 18:23.38 | travisat | Pappa: no, no, I don't think I would....I would tell someone else to and then laugh at them |
| 18:23.51 | darkdjproject | Thnx anyway |
| 18:23.53 | greycat | whoever wants noisy web pages, this isn't the right place to ask about it. try #web. |
| 18:23.54 | lidocaine | web pages that play bgsounds are annoying in extremis |
| 18:24.25 | ark3qqq | Pappa: Anyway, sox will downsample wav files for you, and it's a command-line app. |
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| 18:24.50 | Pappa | cool. |
| 18:25.09 | larsl | I've been trying to mount an encrypted loopback file system, but I get this error: "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument" - are there any other modules I need to load? I've modprobed cryptoloop and blowfish. |
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| 18:25.14 | larsl | The command I use is: |
| 18:25.26 | larsl | mount -o loop,encryption=blowfish256 ~testuser/cryptofs ~testuser/ |
| 18:25.41 | larsl | Kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 18:26.43 | nite613 | Is there any way to restrict network traffic on a per-user basis using iptables? |
| 18:27.22 | nite613 | so 'joe' can only go out to port 80, but 'admin' can go out to any port they want? From the local machine of course, not remote machines who have to pass their traffic through the fw |
| 18:27.24 | lidocaine | on the local box, or across a subnet? |
| 18:27.26 | Pappa | i dont get it |
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| 18:27.36 | linuxfreck | nite613: look into the owner module |
| 18:27.45 | nite613 | owner eh? Thanks |
| 18:27.49 | Pappa | soz -r 6000 spam.wav brian.wav # - looks ok right? |
| 18:27.50 | asg | nite613: yes for some versions of iptables |
| 18:27.52 | Pappa | soz * |
| 18:27.55 | Pappa | sox |
| 18:27.57 | Pappa | damnit |
| 18:28.11 | Pappa | and yet |
| 18:28.14 | Pappa | no size change |
| 18:28.42 | ark3qqq | Pappa: Does it sound the same? |
| 18:28.47 | greycat | sox has one of the most horrific command line syntaxes ever seen by the eyes of man. |
| 18:28.52 | greycat | followed quite closely by cvs |
| 18:29.04 | greycat | and find. |
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| 18:29.21 | larsl | Pappa: Doesn't that mean that the infile is 6000Hz? |
| 18:29.32 | larsl | Pappa: Try sox spam.wav -r 6000 brian.wav |
| 18:29.54 | travisat | greycat: have you ever looked at transcode |
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| 18:30.23 | larsl | Hm, do I need to get kernels from a non-us apt source to use cryptoloop? |
| 18:30.46 | deadline | hi, does somebody know how i can tell aterm to remember a specfic amount of scrollback-able lines? |
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| 18:31.44 | greycat | travisat: not closely :) |
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| 18:32.11 | caphuso | deadline: saveLines resource or -sl command line option, IIRC |
| 18:32.29 | greycat | travisat: is transcode horrific due to the sheer number of arguments typically used, or because of some *inherent* property of the syntax, such as the position of each argument within the command, a la cvs/sox/find? |
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| 18:33.15 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 18:33.19 | travisat | greycat: sheer number |
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| 18:34.04 | Mardus | The xconsole says that there is a cron job periodically commencing, but i don't want it to. Which file to edit? |
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| 18:35.19 | Mardus | am reading man cron though |
| 18:35.34 | deadline | caphuso: thans |
| 18:36.06 | larsl | Mardus: crontab |
| 18:36.25 | Mardus | larsl: Yea, I figured. |
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| 18:36.59 | ep | Configuring X 104 US keyboard, I'm not sure what a meta key is? Do i want to use alt or logo key? |
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| 18:37.39 | greycat | ep: logo |
| 18:37.46 | larsl | Any idea about cryptoloop? |
| 18:37.48 | ep | thx |
| 18:38.08 | toomboy | can someone help me with next step to try.. doing the woody->sarge and heres dist-upgrade errors that halted the update. http://paste.anbcs.com/2750 |
| 18:38.40 | toomboy | roughly libc6 isnt able to be configured. |
| 18:38.52 | asg | !kick apt |
| 18:38.54 | ark3qqq | I want to run something as root automatically every night. What's the right way to do this? |
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| 18:39.06 | insanekane | ark3qqq: cron |
| 18:39.07 | asg | ark3qqq: /etc/cron.daily |
| 18:39.13 | asg | ark3qqq: /etc/cron.d rather |
| 18:39.21 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 18:39.22 | greycat | ark3qqq: man 5 crontab |
| 18:39.48 | ark3qqq | Okay... I've added stuff to the /etc/crontab before, but that's bad because occasionally that file wants to get updated. |
| 18:39.50 | greycat | toomboy: hmm, what segfaulted? |
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| 18:39.56 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.57 | greycat | tion fault sleep 2 |
| 18:40.00 | ark3qqq | So the answer is to put stuff in /etc/cron.d then? |
| 18:40.04 | lidocaine | I have an ancient rv100 in a small server. support for it is minimal and sketchy at best. |
| 18:40.12 | lidocaine | whoops |
| 18:40.23 | greycat | did *sleep* segfault? |
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| 18:41.06 | toad | how do i compile the emu10k1 module with debian? I get all sorts of header errors |
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| 18:41.17 | toad | I have installed kernel-headers-2.6-1 |
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| 18:41.21 | toad | err 2.6.8-1 |
| 18:41.22 | greycat | toad: it's been part of standard kernels since, like, forever |
| 18:41.23 | ark3qqq | And why the heck is an update trying to rewrite my /etc/exports file? |
| 18:41.26 | toad | and it has not improved things |
| 18:41.34 | ep | More x config -- the mouse is USB, how do i determine which port? |
| 18:41.37 | toad | greycat: there's an old version in 2.4 |
| 18:41.45 | toad | greycat: there's a slightly better version in 2.6 |
| 18:41.53 | toad | but only the recent versions support the audigy 2 |
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| 18:41.58 | greycat | toad: apt-get install module-assistant; man m-a |
| 18:42.10 | asg | ep: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 18:43.00 | topin | anypeople was the fans of icewm? |
| 18:43.03 | toad | greycat: ugh, i'm running a mainline kernel (which is why i was surprised it didn't work) |
| 18:43.20 | greycat | toad: you didn't build it with make-kpkg? |
| 18:43.21 | asg | toad: #icewm probably has a few |
| 18:43.26 | ivo | Can anyone tell me what is wrong: I have the locale set to dutch, but only 'date' gives me the dutch date/time-format... 'aptitude moo' still gives me the Easteregg story in English... not in Dutch... I thought this was just a locale-setting too? |
| 18:43.33 | distempr | can kernel-package handle regular kernel.org kernels? |
| 18:43.36 | greycat | topin: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 18:43.39 | caphuso | distempr: yes |
| 18:43.42 | distempr | I've been waiting too long for 2.6.11. |
| 18:43.42 | greycat | distempr: yes |
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| 18:44.09 | greycat | ivo: how about ls sdfskdfhskjf |
| 18:44.16 | distempr | caphuso, greycat thanks will give it a shot. Do I need to do anything special with it? |
| 18:44.18 | toad | greycat: no, there's no package for it iirc |
| 18:44.18 | greycat | ivo: does that give the error in english or dutch? |
| 18:44.26 | greycat | toad: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 18:44.59 | greycat | toad: if the emu10k1 sources haven't changed *much* since I last built it 3rd-party back in 2.2.x days, then you might have to edit the makefile by hand and tell it to use -I/usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:45.06 | toad | greycat: so what you're saying is, build a kernel The Debian Way? Why? There is no package for what I want anyway, so there's no benefit! |
| 18:45.21 | ivo | greycat: It gives me the error in english |
| 18:45.22 | Vladi | hi, i just did an update and dist-upgrade from unstable and netkit-inetd is erroring out with |
| 18:45.24 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 18:45.28 | Vladi | "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 18:45.33 | ark3qqq | How do I make the set of packages installed on machine1 be the same as the set installed on machine2? That needs to include removing packages from machine1 if necessary. |
| 18:45.45 | toad | hmmm |
| 18:45.48 | toomboy | greycat: honestly no idea, that line number displayed is the very last fi statement for the configure if statement. |
| 18:45.52 | greycat | toad: the benefits are: 1) you get a .deb, and can purge it later; 2) you can copy a single file from the fast machine to the slow one, rather than copying hundreds of modules over, or nfs-mounting for the "make bzImage" and "make modules" steps; 3) you can use m-a. |
| 18:45.53 | asg | ark3qqq: man dpkg (--get-selections, --set-selections) |
| 18:45.54 | toad | this is really wierd |
| 18:46.15 | ark3qqq | asg: As far as I can see, that'll do it, but how do I generate the appropriate "deinstall" lines to feed to set-selections? |
| 18:46.33 | Eclipser | hmm funny |
| 18:46.40 | greycat | ark3qqq: vi, that's how I do it. |
| 18:46.49 | toomboy | greycat: and now aptitude dist-upgrade just says i have held broken packages, and it exits |
| 18:46.53 | asg | ark3qqq: just edit the file afterwards and change 'install' to 'deinstall' |
| 18:47.21 | ark3qqq | asg: For which packages? I.e. how do I know which ones to deinstall? |
| 18:47.22 | asg | ark3qqq: just do a diff of both lists and see which are out of sync with the master list. |
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| 18:47.42 | ark3qqq | asg: I guess what I'm saying is... Isn't there an automated way to do this? |
| 18:47.56 | asg | ark3qqq: that's why shell scripting was invented |
| 18:47.58 | greycat | ark3qqq: no. go write one. |
| 18:48.21 | greycat | ark3qqq: nobody in their right mind would try to clone a debian system onto anything that already HAS debian on it, unless it's just a bare base install. |
| 18:48.44 | ark3qqq | greycat: Really? Hmm, then I'm not in my right mind... What consequences am I missing? |
| 18:49.04 | greycat | ark3qqq: apart from all the ones you just mentioned here in the channel? |
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| 18:49.20 | greycat | I don't see the point. if you want a clone, do a base install and then add to it. |
| 18:49.30 | greycat | don't start with arbitrary crap |
| 18:49.31 | ark3qqq | greycat: After all, I have seven identical (hardware-wise) machines, but one of them is off, and hasn't been getting updated as a result. I want to bring it up to speed. |
| 18:49.32 | petemc | greycat: i do this a few times a day - http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/syncsystems.pl.txt |
| 18:49.33 | Eclipser | how can my kernel detect my other NIC (NE2k-pci compatible) even though I have only sis900 drivers compiled o.O |
| 18:49.50 | asg | petemc: why not use cfengine? :) |
| 18:49.55 | greycat | ark3qqq: uh.... and why can't you just update it normally? |
| 18:50.26 | Eclipser | lspci says it's rtl-8029(AS) |
| 18:50.28 | petemc | asg: it could be improved in so many ways :) just havent got around to it |
| 18:50.37 | asg | petemc: ah, so long as it works for you :) |
| 18:50.42 | greycat | Eclipser: lspci isn't the kernel |
| 18:50.48 | ark3qqq | greycat: Some packages provide alternate implementations of the same thing. We've switched a few, for example. And then there's the whole "random cruft lying around" issue. |
| 18:50.53 | ivo | Hints/tips on my problem... anyone? |
| 18:51.13 | Eclipser | greycat, I know :) |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | ark3qqq: so nuke it, start clean. |
| 18:51.17 | asg | ivo: maybe that part of aptitude hasn't been localized *shrug* |
| 18:51.36 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 18:51.39 | ark3qqq | greycat: Is there a way to nuke it w/o having to sit in front of the console? |
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| 18:51.57 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/261438 <-- any help appriciated |
| 18:51.59 | greycat | ark3qqq: god, you REALLY want to make this as HARD as possible, don't you? |
| 18:52.06 | Eclipser | greycat, ok, let's forget I ever said that |
| 18:52.11 | greycat | ark3qqq: I'd probably purge everything that's not in the base system. |
| 18:52.30 | ark3qqq | greycat: So basically make everything deinstall? |
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| 18:52.35 | ivo | asg: well... isn't it strange that 'ls' also gives english errors? |
| 18:52.41 | greycat | not sure how easily aptitude can do that. never used aptitude before. |
| 18:52.54 | greycat | ivo: what does 'locale' say? (don't flood!) |
| 18:53.03 | asg | ivo: oh, didn't see that bit. |
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| 18:53.07 | ep | Well guys, I got the Nvidia drivers loaded (and the associated silly Nvida splash screen). Thanks for the help. You'll be glad to know I did it the Debian way too. |
| 18:53.23 | asg | ep: there is an option to turn the splash screen off iirc |
| 18:53.24 | larsl | Does anyone have problems with Firefox freezing as soon as I you try to download something? |
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| 18:53.32 | larsl | s/I // |
| 18:53.37 | asg | larsl: nope |
| 18:53.37 | ep | yeah i read that, i'll get to it later |
| 18:53.39 | petemc | asg: you using osx now? |
| 18:53.42 | ivo | greycat: it gives me the lines with the LC_* env-vars set to "nl_NL" |
| 18:53.48 | ivo | greycat: and an empty LC_ALL |
| 18:53.54 | asg | petemc: nah, I'm too poor to run apple ware |
| 18:53.54 | redduck666 | larsl, how you installed firefox |
| 18:53.54 | lewis | greycat: I found the necessary .diff in the end, though it only partly works (a few HUNK failed errors), the patch is only 2k, so will try to edit the differences by hand... |
| 18:54.03 | greycat | ivo: and LANG? |
| 18:54.08 | larsl | redduck666: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 18:54.14 | greycat | !bless lewis |
| 18:54.15 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child lewis, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 18:54.21 | ivo | greycat: LANG=nl_NL |
| 18:54.22 | petemc | asg: ahh, just looked at the apache log, thought it was you :) |
| 18:54.33 | greycat | ivo: has that locale been generated? |
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| 18:54.36 | asg | petemc: hehe |
| 18:55.01 | lewis | thanks for the blessing - I'll let you know when I've screwed something up. |
| 18:55.02 | ivo | greycat: Yes... it's listed when i do 'locale -a' |
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| 18:55.14 | necrite | hi.. |
| 18:55.21 | ivo | greycat: and if it weren't generated, would 'date' still give me the dutch format? |
| 18:55.31 | greycat | ivo: no idea, try asking the dutch channel |
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| 18:55.54 | ep | One thing though, I'm not generally interested in unstable packages. Can I just remove the 2 "unstable" lines in my sources.list and rerun "apt-get update"? |
| 18:56.06 | ep | or should i leave them |
| 18:56.31 | ivo | greycat: Do you know a dutch debian channel? |
| 18:56.31 | greycat | !dutch |
| 18:56.31 | dpkg | methinks dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 18:56.31 | ivo | greycat: or a place where I can find one likely |
| 18:56.31 | larsl | Everything seems just very buggy with this Sarge install... I wonder if it would help to erase everything and run the installer again. |
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| 18:56.31 | greycat | !faq OtherChannels |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | OtherChannels: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:56.45 | greycat | err. |
| 18:56.54 | ivo | greycat: Thanks! |
| 18:57.01 | toomboy | ok now im really confused haha, i try to do dpkg --configure libc6 and it says cant cuz libdb1-compat needs to be configure, so i try --configure libdb1-compat and it says cant libc6 needs to be configured. |
| 18:57.20 | greycat | toomboy: ITYM "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 18:57.37 | greycat | wiki's a bit lagged :( |
| 18:57.39 | |XO| | man i havent apt-updated for 4 months :( |
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| 18:57.46 | travisat | toomboy dpkg --configure libc6 libdb1-compat, no? |
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| 18:57.52 | S4nD3r_ | Hi, how do I remove Mozilla Thunderbird from my system ??? |
| 18:58.02 | S4nD3r_ | I installed firefox!! |
| 18:58.03 | streuner | man rm |
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| 18:58.09 | travisat | S4nD3r_: apt-get remove mozilla-thunderbird |
| 18:58.14 | streuner | or in debian apt-get remove foo |
| 18:58.38 | greycat | !wikifaq ivo OtherChannels |
| 18:58.38 | dpkg | ivo: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherChannels or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.57 | ep | Firefox is a web browser ant thunderbird is the mail client |
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| 18:59.05 | S4nD3r_ | travisat, when I did that, tells that theres no thunderbird installed |
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| 18:59.18 | S4nD3r_ | ep, I just want web browser |
| 18:59.19 | greycat | then you've quite accomplished your goal, eh? |
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| 18:59.31 | necrite | i whant to have 2 server with the same files (nost sistem files) with rsync, but can i (with sudo) give read only acces to some files? or all system files? |
| 18:59.31 | raf256 | where are kept *.deb for source packages? |
| 18:59.34 | greycat | S4nD3r_: what problem are you trying to overcome? |
| 18:59.42 | greycat | raf256: for *what*? |
| 18:59.45 | raf256 | normal packages are in /var/cache/apt/ and the others? |
| 18:59.57 | greycat | raf256: you mean 'things I downloaded with apt-get source'? |
| 18:59.58 | travisat | raf256: apt-get source foo, downloads to directory you ran it in |
| 19:00.03 | appaji | raf256: they would be wherever you do an apt-get source. |
| 19:00.06 | S4nD3r_ | About removing Thunderbird mozilla |
| 19:00.11 | raf256 | greycat: I run "apt-get source kalarm" and I do not know where the source is, or where the .deb with source is |
| 19:00.12 | S4nD3r_ | Is like to uninstall it |
| 19:00.26 | greycat | raf256: 1) there is no .deb. 2) it's in `pwd` |
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| 19:00.30 | travisat | S4nD3r_: it isn't installed..... |
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| 19:00.36 | greycat | S4nD3r_: how did you install it? |
| 19:00.45 | toomboy | travisat , greycat : ok that regot that same error of seg fault on stopping inetd, i stopped manually retried, and script still thinks it needs to restart inetd and seg faults |
| 19:00.46 | TheTom | is my screen a device? so i can cat it? |
| 19:00.54 | greycat | TheTom: /dev/tty, sort of. |
| 19:01.03 | greycat | TheTom: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:01.27 | TheTom | nothing in particular. take a screenshot maybe? |
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| 19:01.32 | greycat | toomboy: can you confirm that it's actually the sleep command that's segfaulting? |
| 19:01.42 | travisat | TheTom: install imagemagick, man import |
| 19:01.44 | greycat | TheTom: you can't get an ASCII screen shot that way. try screen(1). |
| 19:01.53 | toomboy | greycat: how would i go about confirming that ? |
| 19:02.02 | greycat | GRRRRR. |
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| 19:02.18 | travisat | TheTom:or fbgrab for console if you have a framebuffer |
| 19:02.26 | S4nD3r_ | greycat, was installed during system installation |
| 19:02.27 | ark3qqq | Thanks everyone for your help. |
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| 19:02.45 | ep | S4nD3r_, I don't think you have Thunderbird installed. Do you mean you want to remove the Mozilla browser (which has a mail client integrated) |
| 19:02.45 | greycat | S4nD3r_: you liar. |
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| 19:03.32 | ircdevil | !liar |
| 19:03.32 | dpkg | hmm... liar is me |
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| 19:03.58 | S4nD3r_ | No greycat and ep |
| 19:04.08 | S4nD3r_ | I had Mozilla 1.7.5 |
| 19:04.09 | S4nD3r_ | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050105 Debian/1.7.5-1 |
| 19:04.13 | S4nD3r_ | It was installed |
| 19:04.21 | travisat | apt-get remove mozilla |
| 19:04.21 | greycat | apt-get remove mozilla-browser |
| 19:04.21 | insanekane | S4nD3r_: try apt-cache search mozilla |
| 19:04.29 | greycat | @depends mozilla sarge |
| 19:04.49 | greycat | how do people get so dumb? |
| 19:04.54 | travisat | crack |
| 19:04.56 | streuner | !depends mozilla-browser sarge |
| 19:04.58 | ircdevil | !airport |
| 19:04.58 | dpkg | i heard airport is if idiots are airplanes then #debian is an airport... a type of wireless card supported under Linux. Airport Extreme is not. Get a D-Link DWL-122 or Netgear MA-111 (version 1) USB which is Linux compatible. |
| 19:04.58 | greycat | and why aren't the bots answering? :( |
| 19:05.08 | insanekane | greycat: maybe they are just newbies :) |
| 19:05.16 | S4nD3r_ | greenfly, The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 19:05.16 | S4nD3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.17 | streuner | greycat: they didn't answer half an hour ago... |
| 19:05.24 | ircdevil | greycat: dpkg sux |
| 19:05.28 | S4nD3r_ | I just want to remove mozilla-browser |
| 19:05.30 | S4nD3r_ | nothing more |
| 19:05.33 | ep | the bots are now ignoring you as well, grecat :) |
| 19:05.41 | travisat | dpkg: you suck |
| 19:05.41 | dpkg | Dream on, travisat. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 19:05.48 | toomboy | greycat: ok, yes its sleep that is seg faulting. typing sleep 1 on this box seg faults, on another it doesnt. |
| 19:05.51 | greycat | ~depends mozilla sarge |
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| 19:06.02 | streuner | <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:06.10 | ircdevil | !botsuck |
| 19:06.10 | dpkg | Yes ircdevil you do, but what am I? |
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| 19:06.12 | greycat | toomboy: rename /usr/bin/sleep to sleep.bak and cp /bin/true /usr/bin/sleep |
| 19:06.21 | insanekane | S4nD3r_: galeon depends on mozilla, so if u want to remove mozilla, galeon goes too |
| 19:06.23 | DaveMurray | good mornin , fellas |
| 19:06.24 | streuner | mozilla packages doesn't exist... |
| 19:06.32 | streuner | s/packages/package/ |
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| 19:06.43 | travisat | !depends mozilla-browser |
| 19:06.53 | torpet | are there any people who have a working Netgear MA-111 with the linux-wlan-ng drivers with kernel >=2.6.10 |
| 19:06.56 | greycat | Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.5-1), mozilla-mailnews (= 2:1.7.5-1), mozilla-psm (= 2:1.7.5-1), dpkg (>= 1.10.9) |
| 19:07.01 | stew | you want rdepends |
| 19:07.15 | stew | gaeon-common depends on mozilla-browser iirc |
| 19:07.16 | greycat | no, I want to know what the lynchpin package is, to remove the whole bloody thing. |
| 19:07.18 | travisat | I want a lot of things |
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| 19:07.21 | greycat | like xfree86-common is for X. |
| 19:07.27 | insanekane | so does epiphany |
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| 19:07.33 | alcorrr | hi all |
| 19:07.36 | S4nD3r_ | insanekane, ok then! |
| 19:07.39 | S4nD3r_ | I removed |
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| 19:07.59 | streuner | !congratulate S4nD3r_ |
| 19:07.59 | greycat | and as far as I can tell, that lynchpin package is mozilla-browser. both -mailnews and -psm depend on it. |
| 19:07.59 | torpet | hi dave :) |
| 19:07.59 | dpkg | Woohoo S4nD3r_, you did it! |
| 19:08.15 | necrite | can i give ReadOnly access with sudo? |
| 19:08.15 | insanekane | stram: :) |
| 19:08.15 | insanekane | streuner: :) |
| 19:08.15 | alcorrr | is there anyone that has a working courier-maildrop with virtual user database and mysql support? PLZ i would really appreciate a short msg |
| 19:08.15 | greycat | so "apt-get remove mozilla-browser" ought to remove all of the mozilla packages |
| 19:08.17 | asg | necrite: to what? |
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| 19:08.34 | insanekane | necrite: u can give readonly access without sudo :) |
| 19:08.36 | greycat | then again, our l33t brazilian friend is not mentally equipped to appreciate it |
| 19:08.45 | necrite | asg, to all system files.. |
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| 19:08.48 | greycat | (then again again, I ALREADY FUCKING TOLD HIM to do it...) |
| 19:09.00 | necrite | asg, or some directories |
| 19:09.07 | travisat | if you can't read it without sudo, chances are you can't read it with, no need to be root |
| 19:09.09 | cozwei | hi, where can i get kernel-image 2.6.11 for debian sarge? |
| 19:09.09 | insanekane | greycat: cool down dude :) |
| 19:09.09 | asg | !tell zenlunatic about away |
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| 19:09.18 | travisat | if you can't read it without sudo, chances are you can't read it with, you need to be root |
| 19:09.26 | necrite | asg, to make remote backups |
| 19:09.29 | airox | Does anybody know which library allows execve() ?? |
| 19:09.49 | airox | Or knows where I can find this. |
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| 19:09.51 | greycat | airox: the c library |
| 19:10.09 | asg | zenlunatic: and don't /msg me either |
| 19:10.13 | stew | airox: libc6-dev |
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| 19:10.23 | airox | oke thanx a lot! |
| 19:10.52 | dumbo | Hi, I am interested in compiling my own kernel as stripped down as possible and burn it on a cd so i can replicated the same setup to a number of hardware similar machines or using fai. Ideas / docs on howto? |
| 19:10.54 | travisat | cozwei: you have to use unstable kernel |
| 19:11.10 | asg | necrite: not with sudo. |
| 19:11.17 | airox | execl() ? |
| 19:11.20 | necrite | insanekane, some files require have 700 |
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| 19:11.23 | cozwei | travisat: could i use 2.6.10 for sarge? |
| 19:11.29 | necrite | mmm tks asg |
| 19:11.35 | streuner | coszwei: /msg dpkg kernel avail |
| 19:11.38 | ZEA | what is that program that converts about any audio format to any other audio format? I forgot the name :\ |
| 19:11.41 | asg | necrite: you theoretically could do it with extended filesystem acls but that would be time consuming and would require constant updates. |
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| 19:11.54 | asg | ZEA: sox |
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| 19:12.06 | streuner | coszwei: so if its not in debian, just /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:12.07 | ZEA | asg: exactly :) |
| 19:12.08 | ZEA | thanks |
| 19:12.12 | zenlunatic | asg You msged me with dpkg asshole. |
| 19:12.31 | streuner | !tell zenlunatic about guidelines |
| 19:12.34 | toomboy | greycat: ok that got through that part.. thanks. |
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| 19:12.38 | asg | zenlunatic: yes, if you need to apologize, just do so in channel. |
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| 19:13.04 | possie | while booting up it hangs while booting sendmail |
| 19:13.15 | greycat | so don't use sendmail. NEXT! |
| 19:13.15 | quiet | I just did a net-inst(or attempted to) but for whatever reason it couldn't contact the mirrors..so I just have the base system.. is there a way to restart the install process to choose the mirrors and do the package selection steps?? |
| 19:13.34 | possie | greycat: i've installed postfix as well :-) same problems though |
| 19:13.38 | cozwei | i get an NOT FOUND for the URL dpkg gave me |
| 19:13.48 | travisat | quiet: use apt-get to get what you want, or tasksel to select a task |
| 19:13.49 | asg | possie: then bring the mta up after the network comes up |
| 19:13.56 | Eclipser | hooray |
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| 19:14.07 | Eclipser | I just managed to break my kernel :p |
| 19:14.15 | Eclipser | well, partly |
| 19:14.18 | ivo | greycat: I got the solution... Apparently I also had to set $LANGUAGE=nl_NL |
| 19:14.19 | possie | asg: i think it does that acctually |
| 19:14.21 | quiet | travisat, nothig happens with tasksel... it just drops to the next line.. |
| 19:14.22 | greycat | possie: or fix your broken DNS resolver |
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| 19:14.49 | streuner | cozwei: true, the server is prolly down atm |
| 19:14.49 | ivo | greycat: Now the question is: why isn't this variable set with locale like the rest? |
| 19:14.52 | travisat | quite: apt-get aptitude, you can select tasks from it |
| 19:15.15 | streuner | cozwei: anyway, latest sarge kernel-image was 2.6.8.... |
| 19:15.24 | travisat | quiet: or just run base-config, I think that is what you want....might be wrong, never used it |
| 19:15.26 | possie | greycat: well the nameserver i have in /etc/resolv.conf works |
| 19:15.26 | quiet | travisat, like the "Desktop Environment" or "Web Server" items? |
| 19:15.33 | quiet | lemme try that |
| 19:15.37 | travisat | quiet: those are debian tasks |
| 19:15.38 | possie | greycat: it's the nameserver from my isp |
| 19:15.43 | cozwei | k, and i really can use ustable kernels instead? |
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| 19:15.57 | quiet | travisat, that's it thanks! |
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| 19:16.03 | possie | greycat: but does it try to resolve it's own hostname ? |
| 19:16.08 | travisat | cozwei: yes you can, but you might as well just use 2.6.8 |
| 19:16.14 | greycat | possie: yes. it does. |
| 19:16.14 | alcorrr | public service announcement: i have a big problem with courier-maildrop using mysql.. if nobody helps me, a .deb will be "dpkg -purge"'d every 15 minutes! please, think of the debs! |
| 19:16.19 | Chris62vw | im looking to install debian. I'm here: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ I want testing. is all I need is the sarge-i386-1.iso to get me started? thanks |
| 19:16.31 | possie | greycat: okee so when i do myhostname 127.0.0.1 in my /etc/hosts file it's okee as well? |
| 19:16.39 | greycat | possie: man hosts |
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| 19:16.39 | matteo | Hi |
| 19:16.49 | Chris62vw | hi |
| 19:16.49 | travisat | !tell Chris62vw about d-i |
| 19:16.53 | Chris62vw | thanks travisat |
| 19:16.55 | matteo | gnome 2.10?? |
| 19:16.59 | streuner | cozwei: the server isn't down, they removed the file itself..., http://people.debian.org/~dannf/kernel-stats/ |
| 19:16.59 | greycat | topic?? |
| 19:17.40 | raf256 | if I would write an commercial game, that would have a linux version, then I should divide it into foobar-bin and foobar-data, where -data is a shareware small datafile and -bin is the executable? |
| 19:17.57 | Chris62vw | I wonder if winXP can write the ISO or if I need nero or something... |
| 19:17.59 | raf256 | and users could start with foobar-data, and then use CD bought in shop? |
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| 19:18.04 | greycat | now *that* is a purely hypothetical question if I've ever heard one. |
| 19:18.09 | toomboy | greycat: any ideas on this now? dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Segmentation fault) gettin that while its tryin to install perl-base zlib1g and a few others. |
| 19:18.13 | ivo | greycat: Sorry to bother you, but removing the $LANGUAGE-var altogether fixes the problem :) Perhaps you know which program creates this env-var? |
| 19:18.24 | greycat | !wikifaq ivo DotFiles |
| 19:18.24 | dpkg | ivo: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:18.36 | travisat | Chris62vw: I believe you need something like nero, there are freeware alternatives that would work |
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| 19:18.49 | Chris62vw | travisat, nero is simply a computer away. thanks :-) |
| 19:18.52 | greycat | toomboy: if tar is broken, you are deeply fucked. |
| 19:19.09 | robin_sz | i think I have that on DVD |
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| 19:19.35 | bodq | toomboy: from your last message it suppose your h/w fails |
| 19:19.38 | streuner | dpkg, forget kernel avail |
| 19:19.39 | dpkg | i forgot kernel avail, streuner |
| 19:19.45 | bodq | toomboy: I might be wrong, however |
| 19:19.53 | matteo | when sarge will became stable? |
| 19:19.59 | greycat | !wwsr |
| 19:19.59 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
| 19:19.59 | chealer | matteo: /topic |
| 19:20.02 | robin_sz | on the relaease dat |
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| 19:20.28 | torpet | matteo: when it's done |
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| 19:20.34 | torpet | ) |
| 19:20.34 | greycat | dpkg, when will the good sergeant be released? |
| 19:20.35 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, the good sergeant should be out by Christmas. |
| 19:20.39 | torpet | nobody knows it |
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| 19:21.19 | Mage__ | !sing sarge |
| 19:21.19 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 19:21.25 | Mage__ | tididiiiiii |
| 19:21.38 | asg | Mage__: the sarge irish drinking song? |
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| 19:21.46 | Mage__ | probably (: |
| 19:21.49 | toomboy | greycat: tar worked just fine before i did aptitude dist-upgrade heh, so yea thats what i was thinking about tar. guess just reformat and install tonight, but all i can say is potato->woody was a hell of a lot smoother then woody->sarge :) |
| 19:22.03 | DaveMurray | i have a couple of questions and want to know how i can became a good shell user ? is there any howto or something in that way ? |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | toomboy: sarge is also not finished yet. it might get smoother. |
| 19:22.21 | bodq | DaveMurray: bash scripting howto maybe |
| 19:22.24 | greycat | DaveMurray: /topic #bash |
| 19:22.33 | raf256 | I want to show to a friend how meany there are greate packages for debian |
| 19:22.33 | greycat | depending on what you mean by "good" and "user" |
| 19:22.37 | raf256 | to what URL should I point him? |
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| 19:22.46 | asg | raf256: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:23.07 | DaveMurray | how i can use the shell in a perfect way |
| 19:23.11 | raf256 | asg: thanx, but something more "cool" / "marketing" |
| 19:23.13 | greycat | DaveMurray: you can't. |
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| 19:23.31 | greycat | the question isn't even sensible |
| 19:23.32 | raf256 | DaveMurray: become one with the YingYang |
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| 19:23.38 | asg | raf256: ? apt-cache search . >somefile ; mark it up with xml and run it through a stylesheet processor? |
| 19:23.39 | DaveMurray | how can i learn it , cause i dont know |
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| 19:23.43 | greycat | DaveMurray: learn WHAT? |
| 19:23.51 | raf256 | asg: there isnt anything ready to show then? |
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| 19:23.56 | pmiller9 | on my router, I have port forwarding setup to forward port 80 to my server. On my server, how can I tell if a http request came from the external or internal network? I'm using kernel 2.6.10 & iptables |
| 19:23.59 | DaveMurray | i want to learn how to use the shell |
| 19:24.09 | asg | raf256: no, we don't waste time with flashy websites when plain information does just fine. |
| 19:24.10 | greycat | pmiller9: by the source IP address |
| 19:24.12 | torpet | DaveMurray: try to use the bash very often... and if there are very complicated problems to solve, try to read about it in lots of bash howtos, then you'll become a very good shell-user |
| 19:24.19 | greycat | DaveMurray: use it to do WHAT? |
| 19:24.26 | torpet | DaveMurray: learn regex too |
| 19:24.28 | raf256 | asg: yes, but to convice loosers that debian is cool |
| 19:24.33 | torpet | if you have questions, just ask me |
| 19:24.34 | pmiller9 | greycat: will the source address be that of the router or some external address? |
| 19:24.36 | asg | raf256: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 19:24.38 | greycat | raf256: please don't. please... just... don't. |
| 19:24.39 | greycat | ok? |
| 19:24.40 | raf256 | asg: or something that You wouldshow a lame customer or boss |
| 19:24.50 | DaveMurray | ok, thx , mates |
| 19:24.52 | travisat | DaveMurray: learn perl |
| 19:24.56 | raf256 | greycat: ok, but why not? and exacly what not? |
| 19:25.00 | greycat | unless you're magically suave and sophisticated and witty in your native language |
| 19:25.08 | DaveMurray | perl ? thats quite hard |
| 19:25.10 | distempr | Anyone know of a package/program that I can get my server(s) to sms msg me? |
| 19:25.13 | torpet | DaveMurray: perl is very practical too, but very mighty |
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| 19:25.21 | DaveMurray | thx |
| 19:25.23 | greycat | DaveMurray: to write PROGRAMS in? /topic #bash |
| 19:25.33 | DaveMurray | ok |
| 19:25.44 | travisat | If you are writing programs in bash I feel sorry for you |
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| 19:25.48 | asg | raf256: sorry, we don't have anything like that. |
| 19:25.56 | greycat | !smite travisat |
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| 19:26.20 | raf256 | asg: oh, so this is something I can do to go to heaven ;) |
| 19:26.39 | asg | raf256: no, debian stands on its merits, not on flashy marketing trollop. |
| 19:27.22 | raf256 | asg: why microsoft rulez and for example amiga died? Because of lack of marketing |
| 19:27.30 | travisat | raf256: if you want to make one, go ahead, a page per package, and you would probably have more pages than the oxford english dictionary |
| 19:27.33 | raf256 | asg: 80% are morons and they need flash thingies to use somethinf |
| 19:27.38 | greycat | !advocacy troll |
| 19:27.38 | dpkg | advocacy troll is probably a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 19:27.40 | asg | raf256: then they can use Windows |
| 19:27.49 | greycat | raf256: please, just, STOP. |
| 19:28.01 | distempr | apt-get install some-sms-package!?!?! :P |
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| 19:28.17 | raf256 | even a nice come discussion is not welcomed? I don ment to flame or anything :) |
| 19:28.19 | torpet | DaveMurray: bash is also very practical to use small programs that call programs ans such things. so you don't have to always execute the same commands, you can just use one simple shellscript |
| 19:28.48 | DaveMurray | ohh, thx |
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| 19:28.55 | raf256 | asg: yeah, but system needs to be popular to survive for long time :-/ |
| 19:29.03 | asg | greycat: do you remember the debian printable pamphlet they have in pdf form they hand out at conferences? Just give him that. |
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| 19:29.25 | greycat | asg: I've never been to a debian conference |
| 19:29.39 | raf256 | last post about that subject, there is a happybrowser.com campaign, linux could use something simmilar, and something in opposition to micro$oft get the ""facts"" campaing ;) |
| 19:30.02 | asg | greycat: me neither, I just had a copy of it some time ago. |
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| 19:30.13 | erirlar | when i shutdown the computer there isnt any logout log the only thing i can see is some big colored boxes, the same thing happens when i press ctrl+alt+F1 is it something to do with the init1,2,3,4,5 ? |
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| 19:30.45 | travisat | erirlar: whoa trippy |
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| 19:30.54 | erirlar | hehe |
| 19:30.57 | Skull | why each time i do an apt-get upgrade i got some mouse problems |
| 19:30.58 | asg | raf256: http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/flyer/flyer.pdf |
| 19:31.00 | LSorensen | ere: if you switch from X to console it doesn't show text just a coloured mess? |
| 19:31.06 | asg | raf256: that should be all the marketing you need. |
| 19:31.08 | LSorensen | erirlar even |
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| 19:31.16 | greycat | dpkg, pht is a Pointy-Haired Troll. PHTs say things like "system needs to be popular to survive for long time" and "I want to show to a friend how meany there are greate packages for debian" and "to convice loosers [sic] that debian is cool". See also <advocacy troll>. |
| 19:31.16 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:31.19 | raf256 | asg thanxs |
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| 19:31.32 | erirlar | LSorensen: thats right |
| 19:31.32 | asperon_ | hi, i run cyrus and postfix on my debian system, and since i upgraded cyrus via apt-get i get (connect to /var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp[/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp]: Permission denied), any clues on how to fix this? |
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| 19:31.54 | Mike666 | hi |
| 19:32.02 | travisat | Skull: your XF86Config-4 is probably changed |
| 19:32.14 | Skull | ohhh |
| 19:32.18 | LSorensen | erirlar: then either your X server is buggy for your video card, or you have a framebuffer driver active that your X driver doesn't get along with. |
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| 19:32.59 | alcorrr | any server admins that use courier (and maildrop), plz plz plz send me a msg, i got an important question |
| 19:33.11 | greycat | I'd imagine you'd find more of them in #courier |
| 19:33.17 | travisat | Skull: editting it by hand should stop it changing |
| 19:33.18 | erirlar | LSorensen: how do i deactivate the framebuffer? |
| 19:33.20 | greycat | I really doubt any of them will /msg you |
| 19:33.30 | chealer | !tell alcorrr about msgme |
| 19:33.36 | Skull | and what's the different beetwen apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:33.42 | erirlar | LSorensen:i think the XFree86 is good |
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| 19:33.49 | airox | Does anyone perhaps know which library is need for exevl() ? |
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| 19:33.51 | LSorensen | erirlar: well whcih video card? |
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| 19:33.58 | LSorensen | erirlar: which debian version? |
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| 19:34.06 | asg | !debian marketing is<reply>Dig the printable flyer! http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/flyer/flyer.pdf |
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| 19:34.15 | asg | !debian marketing is <reply>Dig the printable flyer! http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/flyer/flyer.pdf |
| 19:34.15 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 19:34.24 | erirlar | LSorensen: it's an nvidia and im on sarge |
| 19:34.40 | travisat | erirlar: are you using a framebuffer? |
| 19:34.42 | LSorensen | erirlar: ok, using nv free driver or nvidia binary only driver? |
| 19:34.47 | greycat | dpkg, pht =~ s/troll>/troll> and <debian marketing>/ |
| 19:34.47 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 19:35.04 | erirlar | LSorenson: nvidia binary |
| 19:35.10 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/261452 <-- any help appriciated |
| 19:35.18 | erirlar | i dont know if im using a framebuffer |
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| 19:35.27 | LSorensen | erirlar: make sure discover/hotplug does NOT handle pci display devices. dpkg-reconfigure hotplug |
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| 19:35.40 | LSorensen | erirlar: lsmod|grep riva; lsmod|grep vesa |
| 19:35.46 | LSorensen | erirlar: which kernel are you running? |
| 19:35.49 | travisat | then you probably aren't...at least I never got one by default |
| 19:36.05 | LSorensen | travisat: hotplug if 'misconfigured' loads one |
| 19:36.18 | erirlar | im running a 2.6.8-smp |
| 19:36.27 | travisat | LSorensen: ahh |
| 19:36.32 | LSorensen | erirlar: debian kernel or your own? |
| 19:36.38 | LSorensen | erirlar: and what did lsmod say about it? |
| 19:36.51 | LSorensen | erirlar: which nvidia chip? |
| 19:37.16 | erirlar | my own kernel, nohting happend with the lsmod |
| 19:37.41 | travisat | lsmod doesn't work????? |
| 19:37.45 | LSorensen | erirlar: well if it is your own, you may have enabled one of the fb drivers as built in. Did you at least build it using make-kpkg? |
| 19:37.58 | LSorensen | travisat: nothing happend != doesn't work |
| 19:38.01 | chealer | LSorensen: what do you expect to happen exactly if he uses a framebugger? |
| 19:38.16 | LSorensen | chealer: the nvidia binary driver kills the fb driver when X starts and it never recovers |
| 19:38.20 | chealer | uh, frame buffer |
| 19:38.27 | LSorensen | chealer: it will cause a corrupted console |
| 19:38.43 | erirlar | LSorenson: that i didnt, well lets try the debian kernel then :) |
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| 19:38.49 | raf256 | how to check, with version of apache2 will be installed with "apt-get install apache2 -t sid" |
| 19:38.53 | raf256 | wtihout actually installing it |
| 19:39.05 | chealer | LSorensen: how exactly does it "kill" the fb driver? how would you diagnostic this? note i'm very interested in the topic |
| 19:39.30 | asg | raf256: apt-cache policy foo |
| 19:39.52 | LSorensen | chealer: it corrupts the registers that the fb drivers set to enable the display mode the fb is running at. the nvidia driver for X assumes the console is running 80x25 vga text and doesn't restore any registers not part of the normal vga register set |
| 19:39.54 | chealer | LSorensen: or how would you realize that the fb driver was killed |
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| 19:40.11 | raf256 | asg: and how to pass the -t sid option to apt-cache? |
| 19:40.16 | LSorensen | chealer: at least last time I tried the riva fb driver, the nvidia X driver would never go back to the console succesfully |
| 19:40.30 | travisat | raf256: apt-get -t sid show apache2 |
| 19:40.30 | raf256 | because I think the answare was for my default version - sarge, not sid |
| 19:40.31 | asg | raf256: policy will list all installables it knows about |
| 19:40.38 | LSorensen | chealer: if you can't do control+alt+F1 and see your console text, then the fb driver has been nicely screwed up. |
| 19:40.46 | LSorensen | chealer: it is pretty darn clear |
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| 19:40.52 | asg | raf256: /msg dpkg info <foo> sid |
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| 19:41.28 | chealer | LSorensen: indeed. however I have already been able to vt-switch using nvidia, but I got a lockup the other day (only once yet) |
| 19:41.42 | dumbo | anyway to compile my own kernel and testing on it with a set apps to burn on a cd? |
| 19:41.44 | LSorensen | chealer: and which fb driver do you run? |
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| 19:41.49 | raf256 | dpkg is not responding to my /msg info by the way |
| 19:42.00 | chealer | LSorensen: vesa is loaded only |
| 19:42.25 | chealer | LSorensen: however I don't even have /dev/fb0 (I'm experiencing bug 289250) |
| 19:42.38 | travisat | vesa shouldn't interfere very much with x drivers |
| 19:42.51 | raf256 | travisat: <travisat> raf256: apt-get -t sid show apache2 - gives me "invalid operation 'show'" error |
| 19:42.56 | chealer | LSorensen: According to usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian : "The Riva framebuffer is known to conflict with the nvidia X driver. If you are using X it would be wise not to compile it in. The vesa framebuffer is known to work slow but fine." |
| 19:43.03 | asg | raf256: then use apt-get -s install (simulate) |
| 19:43.07 | LSorensen | chealer: well I haven't tried the vesa one. I know the rivafb does not like the nvidia driver |
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| 19:43.19 | LSorensen | chealer: hmm, I may try the vesa someday then |
| 19:43.25 | quiet | is there a way to configure XDM?? i.e. - font sizes for the logon box and stuff?? |
| 19:43.33 | LSorensen | quiet: sure. it's in the xdm docs |
| 19:43.37 | chealer | I tell you though, I really got a hard lockup switching to tty1 without rivafb loaded and I'm hunting why |
| 19:43.40 | LSorensen | quiet: config files should be in /etc/X11/xdm/ |
| 19:43.40 | travisat | LSorensen: the radeonfb, doesn't like the radeon x driver |
| 19:43.46 | quiet | thanks |
| 19:43.47 | asg | LSorensen: i've seen that combination work before (GeForce2 GTS + vesa framebuffer) |
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| 19:44.07 | LSorensen | travisat: well I don't buy ati anymore. Too many crappy driver revisions for me for a lifetime |
| 19:44.24 | eaglered | anyone know a link that explains how to setup my pen in debian? |
| 19:44.29 | travisat | LSorensen: same problem, the vesafb works great |
| 19:44.31 | LSorensen | eaglered: pen? |
| 19:44.31 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/261452 <-- any help appriciated |
| 19:44.38 | chealer | LSorensen: anyway, FYI I mailed randall donald about that 2 days ago (no answer yet). I'll tell you if I get an answer |
| 19:44.38 | asg | eaglered: dip quill -> ink ; scribble? |
| 19:44.43 | LSorensen | travisat: hmm. odd. I guess two accelerated drivers don't get along |
| 19:45.01 | asg | eaglered: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:45.10 | eaglered | thanks |
| 19:45.14 | raf256 | can I install the newest beta (2.1) of apache using apt-get? or what is the most easy way to do it (csv?) |
| 19:45.16 | travisat | LSorensen: probably because they access the same memory on the vid chip |
| 19:46.24 | chealer | LSorensen: meanwhile, would you know how to keep vesafb from loading at boot using a 2.6.8 kernel-image? all my attempts have failed yet |
| 19:46.28 | greycat | raf256: can't you find a hobby? like reading, or swimming, or something? |
| 19:46.32 | LSorensen | travisat: vesa should use the same memory too |
| 19:46.33 | dronchik | hi guys, i know that wrong channel, but im going to suicide now! dammit, anybody knows how to dissconnect msec fron mandrake? i'm changing permissiones on floppy but when i reboot the pc that shit is changing them again, and i tryed to change in /usr/share/msec/perm*level, it works, but when it starts xdm and i logging to kde floppy permissions are changing again but this time to user on wich im loggin in |
| 19:46.44 | LSorensen | chealer: video=vesa:off I suspect |
| 19:46.53 | LSorensen | chealer: and ofcourse get rid of any vga= setting |
| 19:47.00 | dronchik | maybe there is any way to DISSCONNECT that msec? |
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| 19:47.07 | chealer | LSorensen: I've tried that one, plus video=vesafb:off |
| 19:47.15 | raf256 | greycat: why You gave such strange answare, not related to my question? |
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| 19:47.19 | LSorensen | dronchik: what is msec? |
| 19:47.29 | LSorensen | chealer: and vga= setting? |
| 19:47.32 | dronchik | that mandrake secure shit |
| 19:47.35 | LSorensen | chealer: try vga=ask |
| 19:47.35 | chealer | LSorensen: I don't think there are in grub's option...could they be hidden (kernel newbie guessing)? |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | raf256: /j #apache |
| 19:47.44 | chealer | ok... |
| 19:47.47 | LSorensen | dronchik: well if it is mandrake specific, I doubt any of us would have a clue |
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| 19:48.04 | LSorensen | chealer: grub allows you to hit e on a line, and e on the kenrel line and add whatever you want to it |
| 19:48.05 | dronchik | ok thanks anyway |
| 19:48.16 | raf256 | greycat: well, thanx, I was wondering is there better waty to do it in debian or something |
| 19:48.19 | chealer | LSorensen: no wonder you propose video=vesa:off, that's you that made me try it from a post I found by google ;) |
| 19:48.38 | LSorensen | chealer: I used to use that to turn it off. it works. but vga= has to be right too |
| 19:48.53 | LSorensen | chealer: either vga=ask or some other valid mode. I don't remember if 0 is the normal mode |
| 19:48.57 | chealer | LSorensen: yes that's what I used, I don't believe there was a vga option but I'll try vga=ask anyway |
| 19:49.22 | greycat | raf256: apt-cache --names-only search apache |
| 19:49.26 | Eclipser | what was the name of the program which shows information on ip/hostname owner?-p |
| 19:49.36 | Eclipser | I used one once but I can't remember what was its name |
| 19:49.46 | LSorensen | chealer: vesa fb doesn't work without a vga=somenumber option |
| 19:49.53 | LSorensen | chealer: at least not as far as I know it doesn't |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | Eclipser: whois |
| 19:49.57 | travisat | vga=0x101 |
| 19:50.28 | chealer | LSorensen: all right. I believe I tried video=vesa:off vga=normal |
| 19:50.34 | travisat | errr vga=0x301 |
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| 19:51.05 | chealer | I'll try to reboot now since you're here :) |
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| 19:51.57 | aFlag | are there hubs that don't work well with linux? |
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| 19:52.47 | Pappa | aFlag: like in ethernet hubs? |
| 19:52.49 | ircdevil | aFlag: winhubs |
| 19:52.52 | asg | aFlag: I had a wireless switch/router that would lock up when a Windows XP box with a 3Com 3x590 nic was plugged in. |
| 19:52.55 | aFlag | yes |
| 19:53.11 | aFlag | what hub do you guys recommend me to buy then? |
| 19:53.19 | asg | aFlag: buy a switch, hubs are crap |
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| 19:53.26 | aFlag | hum... |
| 19:53.45 | citral | cheap netgear switch works well here |
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| 19:53.53 | Pappa | all switches work |
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| 19:55.00 | airox | You could buy a switching hubg. |
| 19:55.01 | airox | -g |
| 19:55.10 | airox | :) |
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| 19:55.22 | Pappa | anyone know why AA fonts in fluxbox are so large? |
| 19:55.23 | greycat | you can't even buy hubs in retail stores any more |
| 19:55.35 | greycat | the lowest-end thing you can get is a 4-port switch |
| 19:55.39 | Pappa | if i go through kdm instead of startx they're fine |
| 19:55.54 | Piotrek87PL | siema szukam ludzi z Polski |
| 19:56.07 | duolljk | alright ive just finished a fresh install of debian and so far im enjoying it, ive gone through xfree86 setup but when i try to startx i get an (EE)No devices detected Fatal server error: no screens found, then it quits, could anyone help me? |
| 19:56.08 | Eclipser | now is a good time to stop configuring... I managed to fix everything I broke but the NAT is still not working... result of playing around: +-0 |
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| 19:56.22 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/261461 <-- any help appriciated |
| 19:56.31 | travisat | duolljk: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 19:56.40 | duolljk | thats what i did |
| 19:56.51 | duolljk | do i need to do it again? |
| 19:57.14 | travisat | duolljk: dpkg -rconfigure x-window-system, pick the correct settings |
| 19:57.15 | chealer | travisat: I didn't see those choices. there were options 0-9 and a. no one seemed to be to turn it off but I don't know |
| 19:57.23 | duolljk | ok i'll try that thank you |
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| 19:57.38 | travisat | chealer: what options did you see |
| 19:57.44 | travisat | duolljk: dpkg -reconfigure x-window-system, pick the correct settings |
| 19:57.54 | greycat | travisat: keep trying. |
| 19:57.55 | drp | anyone know of any good java swing gui builders |
| 19:57.57 | greycat | !drxx duolljk |
| 19:57.58 | dpkg | duolljk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:58.01 | chealer | travisat: eh...expectable question...if only dmesg was longer :| |
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| 19:58.10 | travisat | damn space |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | travisat: and the wrong pkg |
| 19:58.26 | screamfan | Hello @ll, I'm looking for somebody from Germany |
| 19:58.30 | travisat | wouldn't that accomplish the same thing |
| 19:58.39 | drp | it's been awhile since I've written any gui interfaces in java and I wanted to be able to do it fast |
| 19:58.50 | chealer | !de |
| 19:58.53 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 19:58.55 | thomas_adam | [freenode] [Piotrek87PL(~e4414@amx165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)] siema |
| 19:58.58 | thomas_adam | :| |
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| 19:59.39 | chealer | travisat: allright...I'll reboot and note the choices |
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| 20:00.07 | travisat | I was just curious |
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| 20:00.20 | Mardus | Question: Difference between "apt-get -u upgrade" and "apt-get upgrade"? |
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| 20:00.41 | stew | Mardus: man apt-get |
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| 20:01.03 | Mardus | stew: am already there. There's nothing where -u is |
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| 20:01.22 | stew | Mardus: yes there is |
| 20:01.23 | pulp | hello |
| 20:01.34 | pulp | anyone knows this problem : |
| 20:01.36 | pulp | warning: unable to open an initial console |
| 20:01.36 | pulp | ? |
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| 20:01.47 | pulp | Debian Sarge kernel 2.6.9, 2.6.10, 2.6.11 |
| 20:01.54 | duolljk | hmm ok i did that xfree86 reconfigure thing and this time i turned off the framebuffer thing but still i get the same error |
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| 20:02.01 | Mardus | stew: "--assume-yes" has, -u doesn't, next with text is "--show-upgraded" |
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| 20:02.09 | duolljk | could it have anything to do with my vertical/horizontal scan settings? |
| 20:02.24 | duolljk | i looked them up for my monitor and put in the exact numbers |
| 20:02.25 | diesel | duolljk, Read the error messages carefully, sometimes the error message will say that you need to install other packages such as xfonts-100dpi, etc. |
| 20:02.30 | duolljk | ok |
| 20:02.33 | stew | Mardus: -u is the same as --show-upgraded |
| 20:02.34 | pulp | anyone knows the console problem solution ? |
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| 20:02.41 | MobyTurbo | pulp: Sarge has 2.8 |
| 20:02.43 | greycat | pulp: custom kernel? worked until you installed and booted it? |
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| 20:02.48 | duolljk | how can i get it to send the console text to a text file? i tried startx > xlog but that didnt work |
| 20:02.56 | MobyTurbo | pulp: Sarge has 2.6.8 |
| 20:02.56 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 20:02.59 | ccg | how to determine a pci card's interrupt and irq ? |
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| 20:03.04 | screamfan | test |
| 20:03.04 | greycat | ccg: lspci -v |
| 20:03.10 | ccg | thx |
| 20:03.14 | stew | interrupt is irq |
| 20:03.16 | jarmo | suggestions howto change ntfs -> fat32 in linux? is it possible, if it is, howto do it? |
| 20:03.30 | greycat | jarmo: not without destroying the contents |
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| 20:03.34 | travisat | jarmo: not possible afaik |
| 20:03.34 | jarmo | damn |
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| 20:03.42 | jarmo | it was possible in windows |
| 20:03.44 | pulp | jarmo, partition magic .. |
| 20:03.47 | greycat | jarmo: back it up, mkfs, restore it |
| 20:03.56 | Mardus | stew: Ok. I was going to use --show-upgraded anyway. I understand upgrade updates packages but doesn't upgrade to Sarge? |
| 20:03.58 | greycat | jarmo: it might be possible to go the OTHER way in windows. |
| 20:04.05 | MobyTurbo | duolljk: man bootlogd |
| 20:04.11 | jarmo | well, I just don't have additional 120gb's harddisk to back up stuff =) |
| 20:04.14 | twirl83 | I deleted a file 50mb from /tmp but it did not get reflected when I typed df -h |
| 20:04.19 | jarmo | and they're kinda important @ the moment.. |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | jarmo: then what the hell are you going to do when this disk *breaks*? |
| 20:05.01 | jarmo | well, I thought that it would be possible to change filetype somehow |
| 20:05.13 | jarmo | but if not, then should borrow a hd from some1 |
| 20:05.23 | jarmo | or think out something else |
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| 20:05.28 | stew | Mardus: read "upgrade" in man apt-get. apt-get should not be used to upgrade from woody->sarge |
| 20:05.29 | travisat | jarmo: or get a backup usb drive |
| 20:05.46 | jarmo | well, only prob. is money =) |
| 20:05.57 | travisat | so steal one |
| 20:05.59 | jarmo | just thinking out the most cheap way =D |
| 20:06.00 | citral | god. ntfs to fat32. that's switching from crap to worse crap. |
| 20:06.01 | jarmo | oh |
| 20:06.04 | stew | twirl83: use lsof or fuser to see if some process still has that file open |
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| 20:06.12 | twirl83 | ok |
| 20:06.14 | jarmo | well, if you want to steal it for me |
| 20:06.17 | MobyTurbo | citral: not if you want Linux to write to it |
| 20:06.39 | duolljk | MobyTurbo: i have no entry for bootlogd, do i need to apt-get install it? |
| 20:06.48 | jarmo | atm both os's are in use, so don't want it only to used via linux.. |
| 20:06.52 | jarmo | might be later |
| 20:06.54 | Mardus | stew: I did. It says it is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the sys from enumerated sources. It doesn't say whether it upgrades the whole distro |
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| 20:07.10 | jarmo | well I think it isn't possible to change it to ext3 or ext2 without loss of data? |
| 20:07.12 | MobyTurbo | duolljk: it should already be installed |
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| 20:07.19 | citral | MobyTurbo: that's an argument. |
| 20:07.46 | stew | Mardus: what are you trying to do? did you edit sources.list? |
| 20:07.51 | valdyn | Mardus: the relevant part for upgrading between releases is what "upgrade" does _not_ do |
| 20:07.55 | jarmo | well, thanks anyway =) |
| 20:07.59 | jarmo | g2g now |
| 20:07.59 | jarmo | bye |
| 20:08.10 | diesel | duolljk, in order for me to get X (startx) to work, I installed: xserver-xfree86, x-window-system-core, and x-window-system |
| 20:08.14 | MobyTurbo | citral: what's really best is to delete Windows altogeather unless you need games. |
| 20:08.23 | Mardus | stew: So upgrade just gets the necessary updates, but doesn't upgrade to sarge? |
| 20:08.25 | screamfan | Hello, I'm searching for a Girl from 14 till 25 years... |
| 20:08.37 | duolljk | ok i'll try that |
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| 20:08.57 | stew | Mardus: you certainly wouldn't get upgraded to sarge without putting sarge sources in your sources.list |
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| 20:09.22 | pulp | anyone can help me with console problem ? |
| 20:09.27 | Mardus | stew: Ok, that much is clear |
| 20:09.28 | duolljk | diesel: all those files are up to date hehe |
| 20:09.31 | pulp | warning: unable to open an initial console |
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| 20:09.33 | citral | MobyTurbo: I personally use an old 6Gb disk dedicated for Windows, need it for my study. |
| 20:09.35 | pulp | anyone familiar ? |
| 20:09.46 | valdyn | !tell mardus about woody->sarge |
| 20:09.59 | Chris62vw | so here's the million dollar question: reiser, ext3, ? - does it really matter THAT much? |
| 20:10.05 | MobyTurbo | citral: yeah, I guess I'd run Windows if I needed it for work or college. |
| 20:10.14 | stew | Chris62vw: depends, does your data matter that much? |
| 20:10.27 | duolljk | the problem i have is that when i do startx it refreshes the console so i cant scroll up and read any errors there might have been |
| 20:10.30 | Mardus | valdyn: well that clears much up |
| 20:10.36 | Chris62vw | stew, kind of hehe |
| 20:10.46 | Chris62vw | stew, not really |
| 20:10.48 | MobyTurbo | duolljk: dmesg |
| 20:11.03 | diesel | duolljk, This is probably not the debian guru way, but I boot into Knoppix to get the hor, vert settings ALWAYS before I do a fresh install of debian. |
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| 20:11.08 | MobyTurbo | duolljk: also the stuff in /var/log |
| 20:11.20 | citral | MobyTurbo: not that it's fun... I become depressive when I practice "windows administration". |
| 20:11.28 | duolljk | oh, i looked up the values on sony's site hehe |
| 20:11.31 | stew | Chris62vw: then it probably doesn't matter, many people would tell you to stay the hell away from reiser if you don't want to risk losing your data |
| 20:11.41 | duolljk | i do have a knoppix cd, is it worth checking again? |
| 20:11.56 | MobyTurbo | citral: I do that informally on other people's computers. If you run Windows the Internet is a scary place. |
| 20:12.00 | Chris62vw | stew, i've been using it at home for a long while now with zero problems... |
| 20:12.07 | Chris62vw | stew, ill just stick with reiser. thanks |
| 20:12.18 | diesel | duolljk, I always get the settings from Knoppix and not from a website. |
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| 20:12.34 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 20:12.34 | dpkg | i heard ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 20:12.40 | duolljk | ok i'll try that i guess |
| 20:12.42 | citral | MobyTurbo: your own computer becomes scary! You stop a service, and things break (just an example among thousands) |
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| 20:12.51 | valdyn | Chris62vw: the main point against reiserfs is usually that it breaks badly if you have a power outage. Some countries dont have power outages, some people have ups ) |
| 20:13.10 | Chris62vw | valdyn, I live in las vegas, nevada, and our power grid is fantastic. thanks, good point... |
| 20:13.14 | chealer | LSorensen: here are the choices : Mode : COLSxROWS: \n 0 0F00 80x25 \n 1 0F01 80x50 \n 2 0F02 80x43 \n 3 0F03 80x28 \n 4 0F05 80x30 \n 5 0F06 80x34 \n 6 0F07 80x60 \n 7 0309 132x25 \n 8 030A 132x43 \n 9 030B 132x50 \n a 030C 132x60 |
| 20:13.52 | citral | !quote chealer Mode |
| 20:13.54 | dpkg | CHEALER: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; MODE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
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| 20:14.10 | chealer | :?? |
| 20:14.21 | citral | >:) |
| 20:14.21 | diesel | How do I size the columns when I run dpkg -l | grep packagename? |
| 20:14.23 | Chris62vw | !quote aegon |
| 20:14.24 | dpkg | AEGON: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
| 20:14.29 | chealer | LSorensen: I tried 0 which makes vesafb load |
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| 20:14.45 | FieldySnuts | what is that stuff |
| 20:14.49 | citral | diesel: COLULMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 20:14.49 | Chris62vw | stock quotes |
| 20:14.50 | carlos_correia | te amo |
| 20:14.55 | Chris62vw | !quote MSF |
| 20:14.57 | dpkg | MSF: 17.70 (17.84/17.65), 3/22/2005 2:44pm, Opened 17.70, Volume 36,700, Change -0.15 |
| 20:15.02 | FieldySnuts | annoying |
| 20:15.12 | screamfan | Hello, I'm searching for some peaple, between help me can into the webspace to implete my website with linux. I had written three scripts for that. |
| 20:15.18 | Chris62vw | I can think of much more annoying things |
| 20:15.26 | citral | Chris62vw: we know |
| 20:15.41 | Coax | does enyone know an app for searching for a string whitin all files in a folder??? |
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| 20:15.47 | diesel | citral, thanks |
| 20:15.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: annoy Chris62vw |
| 20:15.50 | ravenbird | dpkg: annoy Chris62vw |
| 20:15.51 | dpkg | Chris62vw: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 20:15.53 | chealer | Coax: grep |
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| 20:16.16 | citral | ahaha my good ol' factoid |
| 20:16.22 | FieldySnuts | that's a good one |
| 20:16.29 | FieldySnuts | put it on ravenbird :D |
| 20:16.30 | Chris62vw | that isnt even that annoying :-) |
| 20:16.44 | citral | ok |
| 20:16.47 | brosio | anyone known a program to modulate voice on real time on linux ? |
| 20:16.52 | Coax | chealer: for more than one file at once |
| 20:17.02 | raf256 | where are fonts stored in linux? as in c:/windows/fonts for win? |
| 20:17.03 | valdyn | brosio: festival |
| 20:17.04 | chealer | Coax: grep string * |
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| 20:17.25 | Mardus | Suppose I have XFree86 3.3.6 and I didn't want to upgrade it, only the rest? |
| 20:17.28 | brosio | valdyn, do u have it ? |
| 20:17.37 | valdyn | brosio: no, i dont need it |
| 20:17.43 | brosio | i'm trying it but some problem |
| 20:17.44 | brosio | ok |
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| 20:18.35 | Chris62vw | man, debian is super easy to install |
| 20:19.36 | jepel_tailweaver | Chris62vw, Debian Installer? |
| 20:19.39 | Mardus | Because many of the things that were being downloaded and to be updated had versions 4.1.0 in them, but I want to keep XF86 3.3.6, because of video card considerations. |
| 20:20.15 | citral | ravenbird: annoy $1 is <reply> $1: (HOW TO THIS????? | Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? | (bash: (RTFM|FFS): command not found!!!!!) | ((PLZ|HELP)!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!!)) |
| 20:20.19 | greycat | xf3 is abandoned. |
| 20:20.23 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:20.28 | Chris62vw | jepel_tailweaver, yeah :-) |
| 20:20.32 | citral | hmmm |
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| 20:20.57 | jepel_tailweaver | Chris62vw, d-i is very nice. Though a better tasksel after would be nice |
| 20:21.13 | Mardus | greycat: xf3 is abandoned, but I have S3 Trio64+ video card, that doesn't work with 4.1.x. |
| 20:21.22 | citral | bot ravenbird doesnt seem to act like dpkg |
| 20:21.58 | ch | i'm having an issue with gnome. When I run startx with "exec gnome-session" in .xsession, I get a blank screen. Any idea why? I can't find any clue in logs |
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| 20:22.12 | greycat | Mardus: then you have tough choices to make |
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| 20:22.55 | Mardus | greycat: Can I exclude downloading X stuff at all with apt and get the rest that's important? |
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| 20:23.08 | citral | ah get it, he doesn't like the : |
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| 20:23.12 | pucko- | Can anyone help me set up a serial ppp connection between my win98 laptop and linux computer? so far I can connect to the linux computer with a terminal program, but I'm unable to get some sort of ppp working |
| 20:23.18 | valdyn | ch: your session can be empty |
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| 20:23.23 | escualis | hid3, anyone have one mirror with xserver-xorg package? |
| 20:23.26 | valdyn | ch: so it will start nothing |
| 20:23.27 | greycat | Mardus: sure. /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:23.58 | escualis | i can't find them :( |
| 20:24.02 | ch | valdyn: you mean my "gnome-session"? |
| 20:24.06 | pulp | hello |
| 20:24.09 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you're somewhere near OSU? |
| 20:24.10 | valdyn | ch: yes |
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| 20:24.37 | Doomgaze-MSU | FieldySnuts, heh.. watch as we crush Duke.. |
| 20:24.56 | pulp | greycat, hey there |
| 20:24.59 | valdyn | ch: ctrl-alt-f1, "DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal &", then ctrl-alt-f7, and in that gnome-terminal enter "gnome-session-save" |
| 20:25.04 | Roberto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.04 | Roberto_ | in advance. |
| 20:25.04 | Roberto_ | it always stop at the same point... |
| 20:25.04 | Roberto_ | <Roberto_> ...missing kernel or user mode driver shpchp....modprobe:FATAL: Errore inserting rtc (lib/modules/..../rtc.ko): No such device rtc can't be loaded |
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| 20:25.06 | pulp | greycat, can u help me with my debian problem? |
| 20:25.07 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 20:25.25 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 20:25.25 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:27.50 | ircdevil | oh sod it. reading dwn it looks like lite-years 'til sarge releases |
| 20:27.53 | valdyn | Roberto_: read the error message and tell us |
| 20:27.58 | FieldySnuts | 2009, i stand by that |
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| 20:28.16 | cafuego | ircdevil: a lightyear is a distance |
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| 20:28.18 | Roberto_ | valdyn, the error message is this: |
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| 20:28.30 | citral | they made the good choice for etch, keeping =~ 5 arch |
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| 20:28.58 | duolljk | I need to reconfigure x, I forgot the command it was something like dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 20:29.15 | valdyn | !tell Roberto about laptops |
| 20:29.15 | Roberto_ | modprobe: Fatal error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6 ..... /kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko) No such device rtc can't be loaded |
| 20:29.20 | valdyn | !tell Roberto_ about laptops |
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| 20:29.43 | ch | valdyn : gnome-terminal started but I can't see anything on my screen |
| 20:29.50 | valdyn | Roberto_: no idea why your box hangs at that point, i dont know that notebook |
| 20:29.59 | valdyn | ch: you cant even see the terminal? |
| 20:30.06 | cafuego | www.linux-laptop.org |
| 20:30.07 | valdyn | ch: in your X? |
| 20:30.14 | citral | I don't think that a modprobe error could hang a system |
| 20:30.33 | ch | valdyn : actually, it's there now. I click on the mouse (not sure what I did thought) and it appeared |
| 20:30.42 | Roberto_ | citral: it said :missing kernl or user mode driver shpchp |
| 20:30.55 | Roberto_ | it does not go on with the boot |
| 20:31.06 | cafuego | Roberto_: yes, that's a very common message and not what made your mahcine hang, |
| 20:31.21 | cafuego | Roberto_: The module *after* that is what made it hang. |
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| 20:31.49 | Roberto_ | cafuego: which module? After? |
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| 20:31.54 | valdyn | ch: "ps aux | grep gnome-session". Is it running still? |
| 20:32.22 | ch | valdyn : yes |
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| 20:32.54 | ch | valdyn : gnome-session-save ==> could not connect to the session manager |
| 20:33.08 | cafuego | helix: Years of arduous practice. |
| 20:33.10 | valdyn | ch: so gnome-session isnt running |
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| 20:33.35 | jeanmi_ | I have downloaded freeswan-modules-source, untarred the archived, moved to the /usr/src/modules/freeswan and ran ./debian/rules |
| 20:33.37 | valdyn | ch: "ps aux | grep gnome-session" should tell you that though |
| 20:33.41 | jeanmi_ | the ouput was just 3 lines |
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| 20:33.44 | jeanmi_ | and then nothing ... |
| 20:33.46 | Roberto_ | ahhh i understand... the last row i can see is: "psmouse: loaded succesfully" |
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| 20:33.54 | Roberto_ | and then nothing |
| 20:33.58 | directhex | jeanmi_, apt-get install module-assistant |
| 20:34.05 | duolljk | anyone know the command to reconfigure x? i thought i could type x86config |
| 20:34.09 | cafuego | Roberto_: So whatever loads *after* psmouse is the problem. |
| 20:34.12 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:34.18 | directhex | !drxx |
| 20:34.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 20:34.19 | duolljk | ty i'll write it down this time ehhe |
| 20:34.26 | Roberto_ | ah... how can i know what is it? |
| 20:34.33 | cafuego | Roberto_: guess, mainly. |
| 20:34.38 | Roberto_ | i cannot do nothing here... |
| 20:34.39 | jeanmi_ | directhex same |
| 20:35.10 | directhex | jeanmi_, module-assistant doesn't do it for you? |
| 20:35.12 | Roberto_ | cafuego: mainly? |
| 20:35.29 | ch | valdyn : ps aux | gnome session ==> ch 6304 0.0 1.5 79204 tty3 S 20:25 0:00 gnome-session |
| 20:35.33 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could anyone please tell me for how long will be Woody supported (security updates) when Sarge is out ? Thank you. |
| 20:35.42 | ch | valdyn : that means its running no? |
| 20:35.48 | cafuego | Roberto_: You could check www.linujx-laptop.net and see if there's a writeup of your machine. |
| 20:35.51 | jeanmi_ | directhex I ran again debian/rules and it does the same |
| 20:36.04 | directhex | jeanmi_, sigh. m-a a-i freeswan |
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| 20:36.35 | Roberto_ | cafuego: i cheked it but there is nothing, about debian, the only writeup is for a SOL linux distr... |
| 20:36.53 | helix | yeah!! |
| 20:37.03 | cafuego | Roberto_: That doesn't matter, the kernel will be the same. |
| 20:37.31 | FieldySnuts | SOL? |
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| 20:37.43 | FieldySnuts | shit out of luck? |
| 20:37.46 | cafuego | Shit Outta Luck |
| 20:37.47 | valdyn | ch: yea, as user, and your shell is a root shell? |
| 20:37.47 | Roberto_ | uhm ok. But he (on linux-laptop) said that he has everything ok |
| 20:37.49 | FieldySnuts | eh |
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| 20:38.45 | cafuego | heh, de bortoli got a half emntion on /. |
| 20:38.58 | cafuego | and they run linux |
| 20:39.03 | citral | emntion? |
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| 20:39.07 | cafuego | i knew there's a reason i'm heving lunch there tomorrow :-) |
| 20:39.15 | Bogdar | hiall |
| 20:39.34 | jeanmi_ | directhex ok that was because I don't have the kernel source |
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| 20:39.43 | jeanmi_ | directhex I though the kernel headers would be enough |
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| 20:39.50 | zophyx | emfpjep? |
| 20:39.57 | directhex | jeanmi_, m-a knows all. listen and obey |
| 20:40.01 | Bogdar | I have some hdd crash so I lost some files on root filesystem. Does it possible to chech what packages are suffer from and reinstall them? |
| 20:40.12 | Nirkus | hi! im searchin for some kind of howto or faw about virtual packages with apt |
| 20:40.22 | Nirkus | like java-runtime and stuff :> |
| 20:40.28 | cafuego | Bogdar: Maybe, check that's in /lost+found |
| 20:40.30 | greycat | Bogdar: debsums might give a rough first pass |
| 20:40.40 | Nirkus | [faw/faq] |
| 20:40.44 | valdyn | !tell Nirkus about equivs |
| 20:40.48 | zophyx | how slow is a scp transfer compared to ftp ? |
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| 20:40.58 | faw | hmmm |
| 20:41.03 | zophyx | 10 times slower ? |
| 20:41.14 | valdyn | zophyx: as slow |
| 20:41.19 | Nirkus | !thank valdyn |
| 20:41.19 | Nirkus | :> |
| 20:41.19 | FieldySnuts | zophyx: for low to medium speed, the same. for high speed, it may begin to slow down, depending on how fast each side is (cpu wise) |
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| 20:41.37 | cafuego | zophyx: Depends on how fast the data can be encrypted. |
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| 20:41.50 | ch | valdyn : no, everything is ch user |
| 20:41.54 | cafuego | zophyx: if you pick a FAST algorithm, speed will improve. |
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| 20:42.12 | duolljk | yarr I'm having no luck getting x to run after reconfiguring it with the right scan rates :/ |
| 20:42.13 | Bogdar | greycat, thanx, Ill try |
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| 20:42.28 | FieldySnuts | at work on a switched 100Mbps network with a 1Gbps backbone, between a dual 933 and a 500, i could manage about 9MB/s compared to 11 or so |
| 20:42.28 | iiiclaw | I just installed debian, the kernel 2.4.18bf24, and im trying to now use dselect to install the source code and the headers... Ive figured out that i need to extract both the source tar into /usr/src/linux and place the header 'include' folder in there as well...but Im not sure which source or headers to place there since in dselect it gives me the following choices... for headers theres a regular 2.4.18, a 2.4.18 for a pentium 4 (thats me), |
| 20:42.31 | duolljk | i also tried the medium mode where i just pick a resolution |
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| 20:42.42 | valdyn | ch: i have no idea what there is with your already running gnome-session, try to start "gnome-session" from that shell, look if your ~/.xsession really is ok |
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| 20:43.03 | iiiclaw | one for the (bf variant).... the only source codes available to install are the 2.4.18.... |
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| 20:43.29 | FieldySnuts | what annoys me with sftp is the total lack of completion, and it does not understand * |
| 20:43.32 | dpkg | Nirkus: de nada |
| 20:43.35 | FieldySnuts | bit basic |
| 20:43.46 | airox | yeah |
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| 20:43.56 | ch | valdyn : what should be in my ~/.xsession? exec gnome-session? anything else? |
| 20:43.59 | FieldySnuts | if it's a lot of stuff and i'm that concerned, i'll tar it up or something then send that |
| 20:44.05 | Bogdar | greycat, but debsums can report changed files, not packages... :( |
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| 20:44.12 | stew | iiiclaw: bf is boot floppy, its just meant for installing, you should apt-get a real kenrel first, then apt-get the headers for it, which is all you'll need to compile a module |
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| 20:45.29 | valdyn | ch: maybe "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session". However nothing else is required, but you can naturally put some things before it ( footapp & ) |
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| 20:45.35 | archpollux | hello |
| 20:45.49 | archpollux | lilo is not showing the prompt, is there any way that i specify some bootparams? |
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| 20:45.51 | iiiclaw | oh, ic. thnx |
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| 20:46.21 | citral | ic 2 k |
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| 20:47.47 | daft | Is there a way to control the fanspeed of the fansin the computer? |
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| 20:49.49 | directhex | daft, only if ther hardware supports it in a linux-friendly way |
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| 20:49.56 | cafuego | Yes, buy a fan with a speed limiter. |
| 20:49.59 | directhex | i.e. ACPI without being buggered, a rarity |
| 20:50.06 | FieldySnuts | quite |
| 20:50.15 | cafuego | or, they'll stop when you switch the machine off. |
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| 20:50.34 | FieldySnuts | i'm not fond of acpi, tends to hang my smp system hard |
| 20:50.52 | directhex | "cool 'n' quiet" is funky on amd64 though, scales cpu automagically as needed |
| 20:51.04 | quiet | RUFF! |
| 20:51.11 | cafuego | directhex: Also turns the cpu fan off when it's not needed. |
| 20:51.12 | valdyn | directhex: automagically? |
| 20:51.18 | FieldySnuts | cpufreqd sounds interesting, too bad again it hangs the system on everything i've tried it on (smp and non-smp) |
| 20:51.21 | directhex | valdyn, yes! |
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| 20:51.29 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: 'powernowd' |
| 20:51.33 | valdyn | directhex: how? im using powernowd |
| 20:51.38 | FieldySnuts | is that specific to amd, cafuego ? |
| 20:51.38 | zimnyx | how can i chceck mouse refresh rate? |
| 20:51.41 | directhex | FieldySnuts, i didn't install anything special, it justworked(tm) on a stock amd64-sid install |
| 20:51.51 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: No, should work in inferior P4 technology as well. |
| 20:51.57 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 20:52.00 | duolljk | I've checked my xfree86 logs, there doesn't seem to be any real errors until the end where it says (EE) No devices detected, im using a geforce 4 ti4600 and iselected the nv driver, do i need to install the official drivers from nvidia? |
| 20:52.04 | FieldySnuts | maybe i'll try. this thing tends to run a bit warmer than I'd like |
| 20:52.05 | bocai2015 | what is that meaning ,bf2.4 ,who can let me understand ? |
| 20:52.07 | directhex | tried getting powernowd to play with my pentium-m, no joy |
| 20:52.10 | bocai2015 | what is that meaning ,bf2.4 ,who can let me understand ? |
| 20:52.24 | directhex | duolljk, which version of debian? |
| 20:52.26 | greycat | !bf2.4 |
| 20:52.26 | dpkg | somebody said bf2.4 was boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 20:52.33 | duolljk | directhex: 3.0 R4 |
| 20:52.37 | valdyn | directhex: weird, both work identically for me, ( amd64 and pentium-M |
| 20:52.46 | directhex | duolljk, that's your problem then |
| 20:52.56 | directhex | duolljk, your bleeding-edge hardware is far too new for 3.0 |
| 20:53.11 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | [woody hardware support] firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 20:53.19 | duolljk | so are you saying i need to choose another distro :/ |
| 20:53.23 | cafuego | valdyn: it's still a function of non-broken acpi, though |
| 20:53.26 | directhex | that was a GOOD factoid. yay for hexxeh |
| 20:53.39 | bocai2015 | what is that meaming of bf? |
| 20:53.43 | valdyn | cafuego: ah, that may be, my acpi works fine |
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| 20:53.45 | directhex | boot floppy? |
| 20:53.54 | cafuego | valdyn: same here. |
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| 20:54.01 | directhex | !d-i duolljk |
| 20:54.02 | dpkg | duolljk, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:54.07 | streuner | bocai2015: a special kernel only for installing debian |
| 20:54.10 | bocai2015 | boot floppy??? |
| 20:54.16 | sean | can I somehow tell if a partition is a swap partition without (riskily) swapon'ing it? |
| 20:54.19 | streuner | !bf |
| 20:54.20 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 20:54.27 | stew | sean: fdisl -l |
| 20:54.32 | stew | sean: fdisk -l |
| 20:54.39 | C17H21NO4 | Is the a mirror for the sarge netinst cd? The main site appears to be inaccessible. |
| 20:55.02 | hcy | i have 218M of files that I want to split up into multiple zip files of 20M each, except I want them to be usable on their own - not require the entire set to open them. Anyone have an idea how to do it? |
| 20:55.15 | bocai2015 | streuner, i am a chinese ,i know it is a kernel for debian |
| 20:55.15 | duolljk | directhex: is it possible the development version will support my card? sorry I usually never look at devel versions since I always think they're gonna be buggy hehe |
| 20:55.16 | directhex | C17H21NO4, worksforme(tm) |
| 20:55.16 | stew | C17H21NO4: www.xx.debian.org where xx is a country code, like us or au or uk |
| 20:55.16 | sean | stew: I can't fdisk this disk -- it's coLinux |
| 20:55.21 | sean | other ways? |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | sean: fdisk -l |
| 20:55.27 | streuner | bocai2015: scroll up |
| 20:55.29 | bocai2015 | but i don't know why it is named bf? |
| 20:55.31 | greycat | wtf is "coLinux" and how is it relevant? |
| 20:55.32 | directhex | duolljk, possible? definite. |
| 20:55.36 | greycat | bocai2015: BOOT FLOPPIES. |
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| 20:55.41 | directhex | greycat, a kernel which can boot within winnt |
| 20:55.49 | godron_h | hi there |
| 20:55.50 | stew | sean: well in debian you would do fdisk -l, if you aren't using debian we can't help you |
| 20:55.51 | cafuego | bocai2015: Is it at all important for running it WHy it's called that? |
| 20:55.53 | duolljk | directhex: alright thank you sire |
| 20:55.58 | sean | yes. And the disks are virtualized. |
| 20:56.00 | greycat | directhex: and that has.... what bearing on how to determine what a partition's contents are? |
| 20:56.00 | sean | it IS debian |
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| 20:56.06 | streuner | !colinux |
| 20:56.07 | dpkg | from memory, colinux is http://colinux.org/ |
| 20:56.13 | valdyn | hcy: man zip(split) |
| 20:56.16 | directhex | greycat, don't shoot the messenger, ta |
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| 20:56.25 | hcy | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:56.28 | nima | hi all |
| 20:56.30 | duolljk | is it possible to burn an iso easily from the command line? the burner on my laptop is quite slow |
| 20:56.30 | cafuego | sean: Not quite. Debian uses debian kernels. CoLinux doesn't. |
| 20:56.31 | greycat | sean: explain to me why "fdisk -l YOURDISK" does not work. |
| 20:56.43 | cafuego | duolljk: yes, 'cdrecord' does it. |
| 20:56.45 | sean | Unable to open /dev/cobd |
| 20:56.49 | sean | that's why |
| 20:56.50 | daft | directhex: I can it be done with i2c ? |
| 20:56.55 | sean | the disks are virtualized |
| 20:56.56 | directhex | duolljk, cdrecord /path/to/file.iso |
| 20:56.57 | streuner | dpkg, colinux is also Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization software s |
| 20:56.57 | greycat | sean: why does the open fail? lack of permissions? |
| 20:56.57 | streuner | uch as VMware, in a way which is much more optimal than using any general purpose PC virtualization software. In its current condition, it allows us to run the KNOPPIX Japanese Edition on Windows |
| 20:56.57 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 20:57.33 | greycat | what? why did dpkg take that without barfing? |
| 20:57.37 | duolljk | is there anyway to test to see if my burner works before dling a 500 meg file hehe |
| 20:57.39 | C17H21NO4 | OK, site appears to be ok, but when I click on the iso my browser locks up. |
| 20:57.40 | iiiclaw | !sarge |
| 20:57.40 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 20:57.42 | bocai2015 | streuner cafuego ,thanks so much ,now i know ,before i think that meaning is beautiful full ,lol |
| 20:57.46 | cafuego | greycat: it only took the first bit. |
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| 20:57.52 | nima | pls i need help. if i try to run sound server i get an error msg: /dev/dsp cant be opened (permisson denied)... how do i alow the permission? |
| 20:57.53 | greycat | !tell me about colinux |
| 20:57.55 | iiiclaw | !d-1 |
| 20:58.01 | bocai2015 | streuner cafuego ,thanks so much ,now i know ,before i think that meaning is beautiful full ,lol |
| 20:58.04 | iiiclaw | !d-i |
| 20:58.04 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:58.05 | cafuego | !lart iiiclaw |
| 20:58.06 | greycat | cafuego: ugh. |
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| 20:58.20 | sean | thanks anyway. |
| 20:58.22 | greycat | sean: explain WHY the open failed, and HOW this is related to Debian. |
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| 20:58.47 | Bogdar | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libcomerr2 |
| 20:58.53 | cafuego | !drug C17H21NO4 |
| 20:58.53 | Bogdar | how could I fix this error |
| 20:58.55 | sean | I'm using debian. I'm looking for a tool that will allow me to inspect partitions (types), and fdisk is failing for some unknown reason |
| 20:58.58 | bocai2015 | and my debian have not sound |
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| 20:59.08 | directhex | sean, there's no debian for colinux |
| 20:59.10 | greycat | bocai2015: install sarge. |
| 20:59.23 | sean | directhex: really? that's amazing |
| 20:59.24 | Bogdar | and how to tell apt-get to be more patient for cycle dependent packages ? |
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| 20:59.25 | bocai2015 | greycat, woody |
| 20:59.25 | greycat | sean: THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING AS AN UNKNOWN REASON. |
| 20:59.27 | jepel_tailweaver | sean, try parted. |
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| 20:59.33 | greycat | There are only people too stupid to look at the reasons. |
| 20:59.35 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 20:59.43 | bocai2015 | kde3.3 and gnome |
| 20:59.44 | sean | greycat: no need to yell. I don't know the reason. It is unknown. |
| 20:59.48 | stew | sean: if you aren't running debian, we can't help you, /j #colinux |
| 20:59.49 | greycat | bocai2015: install sarge. |
| 20:59.50 | sean | jepel_tailweaver: thank you. |
| 20:59.52 | helix | greycat: relax |
| 20:59.54 | greycat | !faq bocai2015 |
| 20:59.55 | dpkg | bocai2015: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:00.08 | cafuego | arrrgh |
| 21:00.13 | sean | stew: so, you won't help people with compile their own kernels? |
| 21:00.14 | helix | cafuego: I don't feel trolled |
| 21:00.17 | bocai2015 | dpkg ,thanks |
| 21:00.17 | dpkg | bocai2015: sure thing |
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| 21:00.25 | sean | s/with/who/ |
| 21:00.28 | cafuego | helix: Oh, but you are. Mwahaha, MUAHAHAHA! |
| 21:00.29 | C17H21NO4 | hmm...It appears to work with wget... |
| 21:00.40 | nima | pls i need help. if i try to run sound server i get an error msg: /dev/dsp cant be opened (permisson denied)... how do i alow the permission? |
| 21:00.42 | helix | I have a bridge? |
| 21:00.52 | simonrvn | in the everglades |
| 21:00.53 | drac | nima: add yourself to audio group. |
| 21:00.54 | stew | sean: i never said that, i said i won't help people not running debian. (plonk) |
| 21:00.55 | greycat | helix: no, it sank in the everglades |
| 21:01.07 | helix | ah. so a floridian subway! |
| 21:01.08 | greycat | !faq nima |
| 21:01.09 | dpkg | nima: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:01.14 | sean | stew: do you consider it non-debian because it's not a stock debian kernel? |
| 21:01.18 | simonrvn | !ding |
| 21:01.18 | dpkg | i guess ding is some york term meaning fat common people. a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 21:01.19 | nima | but how? |
| 21:01.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:01.26 | sean | (even though what I'm asking has nothing to do with kernels) |
| 21:01.29 | simonrvn | wha |
| 21:01.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war |
| 21:01.32 | ravenbird | it isn't a debate that cat hunts badgers with kpager!@$ |
| 21:01.51 | fpmc | Hi all. I had a hard-drive failure yesterday, and I can't boot into grub. SO I tried a LiveCD, mounts it, and find that A LOT of files are missing. /home/ and/etc/ are both missing! Any help will be much appreciated |
| 21:01.52 | FieldySnuts | that looks weird "cat hunts badgers" |
| 21:01.53 | cafuego | sean: It has everything to do with kernels, as they are your interface to the hardware. |
| 21:01.56 | bocai2015 | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ can't connect this site ,is it right? |
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| 21:02.17 | streuner | fix your connection |
| 21:02.23 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: yeah, it's supposed to 'cats', I'm sure. |
| 21:02.24 | bocai2015 | i use firefox |
| 21:02.24 | sean | *sigh* I want a utility (other than fdisk) that will do disk analysis. I'm looking into it myself. |
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| 21:02.36 | greycat | bocai2015: works here. |
| 21:02.38 | streuner | bocai2015: its working here |
| 21:02.39 | cafuego | Tard |
| 21:02.45 | FieldySnuts | nah just a weird combination of the parts of the factoid |
| 21:02.45 | simonrvn | re |
| 21:02.49 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: heh |
| 21:03.09 | bocai2015 | i am in china |
| 21:03.23 | nima | if i add this to /etc/group: audio::29:my_user am i in group audio????? |
| 21:03.24 | simonrvn | fpmc: looked in lost+found yet? |
| 21:03.32 | cafuego | Why do People That Know Better That Us insist on asking questions regardless? |
| 21:03.37 | fpmc | simonrvn: that too, is gone |
| 21:03.38 | simonrvn | nima: amazing, innit |
| 21:03.43 | directhex | fpmc, restore from backups |
| 21:03.45 | simonrvn | fpmc: :/ |
| 21:03.51 | fpmc | directhex I wish I had backup |
| 21:03.53 | simonrvn | what he saiD[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dd |
| 21:03.57 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:03.57 | directhex | !backups |
| 21:03.58 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 21:04.02 | greycat | nima: there is already an "audio" line. don't add another one. |
| 21:04.02 | FieldySnuts | @hack nima's internet cafe |
| 21:04.09 | foureyes779 | fpmc: different partitions ? |
| 21:04.10 | simonrvn | fucking kbd |
| 21:04.26 | greycat | nima: just add yourself *to* that line (man 5 group) |
| 21:04.34 | bocai2015 | have other faq?? |
| 21:04.36 | nima | greycat: i know but is the syntax right??? |
| 21:04.39 | stew | nima: or just "adduser nima audio" |
| 21:04.45 | streuner | simonrvn: i thought you have fixed that some hours ago ? :-) |
| 21:04.50 | fpmc | directhex I usually keep backup once a month, and so I basically lost one month worth of data |
| 21:05.02 | fpmc | directhex but the most important parts are what I've done in the past month! |
| 21:05.02 | stew | nima: syntax is in man 5 group |
| 21:05.12 | simonrvn | streuner: got busy doing something else :P |
| 21:05.16 | bocai2015 | unsupported playback rate: 48000 |
| 21:05.17 | bocai2015 | Audio device open for 48Khz, stereo,16bit failed |
| 21:05.17 | bocai2015 | Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo. |
| 21:05.17 | bocai2015 | unsupported sound format: 32 |
| 21:05.17 | bocai2015 | Audio device open for 22.05Khz, stereo, 8bit failed |
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| 21:05.37 | dvs | boom! |
| 21:05.53 | greycat | don't let debhelper's shiny metal foot put a hole in your ass |
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| 21:06.01 | simonrvn | haha |
| 21:06.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:06.12 | simonrvn | too late |
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| 21:06.19 | simonrvn | bocai2015: why are you pasting in here? |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | you have to ask? |
| 21:06.35 | bocai2015 | sorry ,i don't know the rule |
| 21:06.39 | simonrvn | sometimes ;) |
| 21:06.40 | iiiclaw | :/ wish id known to install sarge right off the get go... but i went for the 'stable' version which im guessing is outdated |
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| 21:07.00 | bocai2015 | you know i am here at first |
| 21:07.01 | streuner | bocai2015: try another file |
| 21:07.10 | simonrvn | iiiclaw: for workstations many would consider it stale |
| 21:07.34 | greycat | bocai2015: 1) read the topic. 2) read the channel guidelines that the bot sent you when you walked in |
| 21:07.35 | citral | iiiclaw: no problem, you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list for sarge if you wish, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:07.49 | directhex | rotting. |
| 21:07.58 | bocai2015 | i am reading |
| 21:07.58 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all, which packages do I need to spell check in openoffice? I have version 1.1.3 (debian sarge) and installed the wamerican dictionary package, but OpenOffice doesn't actually check spelling |
| 21:08.17 | dvs | iiiclaw: I hope you have a fast internet connection |
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| 21:09.34 | MobyTurbo | !iiiclaw |
| 21:09.36 | streuner | jepel_tailweaver: #debian-oo |
| 21:09.42 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 21:09.50 | jepel_tailweaver | streuner, thanks |
| 21:10.01 | nima | and here another problem: if i try to run an audio mixer (rexima) i get another error msg: couldnt open /dev/mixer, even if i am in group audio |
| 21:10.08 | jepel_tailweaver | citral, I can do better in Canada. 384 Kbps upload for 45 CAD a month |
| 21:10.15 | citral | gah |
| 21:10.25 | MobyTurbo | jepel_tailweaver: yeah, but Canada is not a real country. |
| 21:10.30 | dvs | jepel_tailweaver: I get that for 30 CAD a month |
| 21:10.41 | iiiclaw | i do have a good connection luckily... and jigdo can use my woody dvd image and only get the changes between sarge and woody right? |
| 21:10.55 | MobyTurbo | iiiclaw: no |
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| 21:11.24 | MobyTurbo | !tell iiiclaw about woody->sarge |
| 21:11.28 | dvs | iiiclaw: No, getting a DVD image will get the whole thing |
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| 21:11.53 | deadcat | !iso myth |
| 21:12.04 | nima | and here another problem: if i try to run an audio mixer (rexima) i get another error msg: couldnt open /dev/mixer, even if i am in group audio... any ideas? :P |
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| 21:12.31 | deadcat | iiiclaw: for debian. you DONT have to download all the cds to do upgrades or installs |
| 21:12.34 | streuner | nima: did you log out and back in? |
| 21:12.37 | dvs | nima: Are you running ALSA? |
| 21:12.47 | iiiclaw | get, ok... ill just dl it all again... i cant just upgrade from within linux bcause my ethernet isnt working properly....thnx everyone |
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| 21:12.58 | nima | yes im runnig alsa but the sound isnt working |
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| 21:13.14 | dvs | nima: Do streuner suggestion first |
| 21:13.16 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 21:13.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:13.21 | ircdevil | nima: chech its not maria carrey playing |
| 21:13.34 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 21:13.34 | dpkg | from memory, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 21:13.56 | nima | every time i try to configure alsa (alsaconf) i get this error msg: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
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| 21:14.11 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 21:14.31 | streuner | nima: what kernel do you use? |
| 21:14.33 | paulswm | I wonder if the bots sing that in harmony |
| 21:14.42 | nima | 2.4 |
| 21:14.54 | bocai2015 | i have a question ,my cumputer have no sound one year ,in this year i find many mind and find many technology on net ,but can not solve |
| 21:14.56 | streuner | paulswm: they did the last couple hours ;-) |
| 21:15.00 | doobeh | Would anyone know of a site that shows how to install the new OO.org 2.0 beta on debian? I'm downloading it at the moment, and understand it's supplied as RPM's |
| 21:15.11 | bocai2015 | so i am here ,but i can not connect the faq site |
| 21:15.17 | streuner | nima: custom kernel? |
| 21:15.34 | directhex | doobeh, it's a big bucket of miscellaneous rpms |
| 21:15.40 | bocai2015 | who can help me ,i want to music |
| 21:15.42 | deadcat | holy crap. madwifi supports AP mode as well? someone comfirm please |
| 21:15.50 | streuner | nima: run '/exec -o uname -a' |
| 21:16.02 | nima | streuner: no... it was on the debian cd |
| 21:16.03 | SpamHog | bocai2015: what do you mean you can't connect? |
| 21:16.14 | streuner | nima: which? |
| 21:16.26 | MobyTurbo | !nonsense bocai2015 |
| 21:16.27 | dpkg | bocai2015: Hi, how can am checked the processes to my runlevels are !!!???? |
| 21:16.30 | bocai2015 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:16.57 | FieldySnuts | ogg kicks mp3's butt even more so at lower bitrates |
| 21:17.07 | doobeh | directhex, have you attempted installing it? I've read that alien doesn't work, I think I'll try the rpm2tgz way and see what happens |
| 21:17.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an audio codec war |
| 21:17.08 | citral | 192 for mp3, definitely |
| 21:17.08 | ravenbird | MP3 sounds like shit! |
| 21:17.10 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 21:17.19 | nima | streuner: 2.4.16-686 |
| 21:17.25 | streuner | oh |
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| 21:17.32 | dvs | what? |
| 21:17.34 | directhex | doobeh, no, i saw 64 rpm's and gave up |
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| 21:17.43 | ansong | bocai2015, thats actually why i'm here also. i go from kernel 2.6.10 to any 2.6.11.x and alsa goes: no soundcards found |
| 21:17.45 | doobeh | directhex, :] |
| 21:17.47 | kbrooks | how can i download everything in the ruby standard library? |
| 21:17.53 | streuner | well, woody use 2.4.18 and sarge prolly 2.4.27, so where did you get the CD? |
| 21:17.55 | kbrooks | from apt |
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| 21:18.12 | deadcat | someone confirm that madwifi minipci cards work on ibook G4 slot? |
| 21:18.14 | bocai2015 | ansong, my kernel is bf2.4 |
| 21:18.29 | directhex | !idepci |
| 21:18.29 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 21:18.37 | nima | its 1 of the 7 debian cds |
| 21:18.54 | Rawplayer | greycat aka Baby Jebus? |
| 21:19.00 | streuner | nima: that's 2.4.18, why did you say 2.4.16? |
| 21:19.03 | Rawplayer | normally it whould make him cry :| |
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| 21:19.40 | De_Mon | I've managed to get 'mount' out of sync with the filesystems that are actually mounted. How I make mounted devies shown correcty? |
| 21:19.50 | streuner | nima: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:19.55 | nima | there are 2.4.18 but i have no alsa modules for them so im running 2.4.16 |
| 21:19.55 | myren | what apps are there for very basic audio recording? |
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| 21:20.09 | bocai2015 | SpamHog ,ddc again for me |
| 21:20.10 | directhex | myren, audacity |
| 21:20.11 | SpamHog | !nonsense spamhog |
| 21:20.12 | dpkg | spamhog: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 21:20.24 | citral | heh |
| 21:20.27 | myren | thanks directhex |
| 21:20.34 | myren | i love your alias, btw |
| 21:20.39 | streuner | nima: why not just use OSS instead? |
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| 21:21.08 | citral | dpkg factinfo cmd: nonsense (.*?) |
| 21:21.08 | dpkg | CMD: nonsense (.*?) -- last modified at Thu Nov 18 12:23:51 2004 by citral!~christoph@kss9-d9bb8b34.pool.mediaWays.net. |
| 21:21.21 | nima | streuner: i have no idea how to configure oss :P could you help me? |
| 21:21.32 | directhex | i've been directhex since... hm... what year is it? |
| 21:21.34 | streuner | nima: /msg dpkg sound |
| 21:21.38 | ansong | can someone help me get sound working? alsaconf picks up the soundcard, but when booting alsa says: "no soundcards found" |
| 21:21.45 | streuner | nima: or read the FAQ |
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| 21:22.08 | dvs | ansong: Put your sound card module in /etc/modules |
| 21:22.09 | streuner | !faq |
| 21:22.09 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:22.33 | citral | I'll always remember, the first time I came here, greycat told me "oh my god, you are too stupid for linux" :) |
| 21:22.33 | nima | streuner: /msg inst working |
| 21:22.35 | ansong | dvs, doesn't alsaconf do that for me? |
| 21:22.40 | dvs | ansong: no |
| 21:22.48 | bocai2015 | SpamHog ,come in flood |
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| 21:22.52 | streuner | !tell nima about sound |
| 21:22.54 | bocai2015 | please |
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| 21:23.01 | directhex | first time i came in here i read #topic, saw my answer, and never spoke |
| 21:23.02 | Flimzy | citral: Doesn's sound like the kind of thing I would advertise. |
| 21:23.04 | directhex | !win |
| 21:23.04 | dpkg | win is probably lose. |
| 21:23.17 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 21:23.25 | citral | Flimzy: why not? |
| 21:23.35 | alcorrr | is anyone running courier-maildrop with mysql support? |
| 21:23.36 | Flimzy | The first time I came here was so many years ago I don't remember |
| 21:23.45 | De_Mon | Flimzy humility is a great trait to have :) |
| 21:23.52 | baz | hmm, I have 3x 120Gb hard drives and no raid controller |
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| 21:24.02 | baz | not sure how to arrange them |
| 21:24.02 | twirl83 | anyone uses vpopmail ? |
| 21:24.06 | FieldySnuts | software raid is very good in linux, especially in 2.6 kernels |
| 21:24.09 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 21:24.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:24.09 | baz | is software raid better than LVM? |
| 21:24.11 | Flimzy | De_Mon: I suppose if you look at it that way... |
| 21:24.12 | De_Mon | baz you could use lvm |
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| 21:24.24 | bocai2015 | SpamHog, are you here |
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| 21:24.32 | baz | De_Mon: can grub boot from lvm now? does d-i support it properly? I heard both had problems with it |
| 21:24.41 | ansong | dvs, ok, its done any way to test w/o restarting? |
| 21:24.42 | dvs | baz: You won't lose information with raid if one of the drivers go |
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| 21:24.57 | dvs | ansong: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:25.07 | ep | Is it ok to remove the sid lines from sources.list and run apt-get update? |
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| 21:25.09 | baz | dvs: ah, software raid is mirroring, and lvm is striping? |
| 21:25.10 | De_Mon | baz with initrd it should be possible, I boot to a ext2 root partition, everything else is in lvm |
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| 21:25.22 | ansong | dvs, thats gonna sound like hell |
| 21:25.24 | cafuego | baz: no. |
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| 21:25.33 | travisat | ansong: no it doesn't |
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| 21:25.38 | baz | De_Mon: ah, so only / is normal, and /var /usr /home etc are all on LVM? |
| 21:25.38 | streuner | ep: sure, /j #knoppix |
| 21:25.39 | De_Mon | baz /boot and / are ext2 partitions rather. |
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| 21:25.42 | bocai2015 | SpamHog, come in #flood ,please |
| 21:25.50 | dvs | baz: raid can be stripping too but lvm is always "stripping" |
| 21:25.51 | travisat | bocai2015: shut up |
| 21:25.59 | dvs | ansong: But at least you'll know it works |
| 21:25.59 | baz | sounds like I need to do some more research :) |
| 21:26.01 | ansong | dvs, nada. no sound |
| 21:26.04 | cafuego | baz: There are various kinds of raid. striping, mirroring and combinations of both. |
| 21:26.18 | bocai2015 | travisat, i need help |
| 21:26.21 | ep | "/j #knoppix"? |
| 21:26.22 | dvs | ansong: Run alsamixer and set the sliders. |
| 21:26.25 | cafuego | baz: generally striping is a bad idea, as it mean you lose ALL data when one disk goes. |
| 21:26.28 | baz | cafuego: I know how hardware RAID works, just not very au fait with LVM or 'software raid', whatever that is :) |
| 21:26.30 | ansong | dvs, trying |
| 21:26.33 | travisat | bocai2015: I am sure you do |
| 21:26.37 | baz | cafuego: understood |
| 21:26.44 | SpamHog | bocai2015: will paste some text in #flood - headline *****AUDIO***** |
| 21:26.47 | streuner | ep: Are you running knoppix? |
| 21:26.52 | cafuego | baz: LVM is mor a way of appending various disks (or raid arrays) into one. |
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| 21:27.25 | cafuego | baz: They're not striped per se, and you'll keep SOEM data when an element fails. if the elements are mioored raid arrays, you won't lsoe any data. |
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| 21:27.36 | baz | cafuego: sounds good. I might just go down the old fashioned route tbh. I'm hardly going to run out of space... |
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| 21:27.46 | baz | although I remember saying that about a 40Mb drive a long time ago |
| 21:27.46 | ep | no I did a sid/sarge mix to install nvidia and now i'd like to remove the unstable stuff |
| 21:28.04 | cafuego | baz: old fashioned route? |
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| 21:28.24 | baz | cafuego: hda = /, hdb = /home, hdc = spare |
| 21:28.26 | Flimzy | ep: That's a very Bad Idea |
| 21:28.26 | travisat | ep: you will have to manually remove the unstable stuff |
| 21:28.29 | baz | cafuego: no lvm or raid |
| 21:28.36 | cafuego | baz: Ah yeh :-) |
| 21:28.47 | directhex | ep, if you remove the unstable sources, you won't get nvidia package updates |
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| 21:29.07 | baz | bbl |
| 21:29.10 | nima | streuner: there are some parameters i have to set for the driver module |
| 21:29.12 | cafuego | baz: I generally don't bother on workstations |
| 21:29.34 | streuner | nima: usually you don't need any parameters for sound modules |
| 21:29.40 | starshine | netinst sarge won't let me make a software raid, says disk partitions have to be of type Linux RAID autodetect, but, it won't let me give them that type! |
| 21:29.48 | De_Mon | cafuego do you usually install 3x120G drives in a workstation? |
| 21:29.57 | ep | Oh i see. I was trying to avoid unstable packages when i install stuff in the future. |
| 21:30.15 | cafuego | De_Mon: No, that's a silly amount. Go 4 and use raid5. |
| 21:30.34 | cafuego | THough I suppose you could go raid1 and a hot spare |
| 21:30.34 | directhex | you can raid5 with 3 |
| 21:30.55 | directhex | ep, if you changes apt.conf as directed, then you will install testing packages by default |
| 21:30.55 | brunch | Hi, i'm running ubuntu linux and i am trying to get my sound to work properly, i have downloaded the alsa files and have instaled them, although i could not install the utilities because it called for the ncurses library? Also i have a 4:1 suround hooked up, how can i onfigure the rear anf front speakers? |
| 21:31.02 | cafuego | directhex: You can run Fedora too. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. |
| 21:31.05 | directhex | brunch, ubuntu support that way --> |
| 21:31.06 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 21:31.08 | sussudio | !topicbadger brunch |
| 21:31.09 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that brunch didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 21:31.15 | De_Mon | ouch |
| 21:31.46 | ACiDC0re | lol =) |
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| 21:31.57 | brunch | i tried the ubuntu servers but they didnt say a thing, ubuntu is based on the debian system so cant you give me any tips? |
| 21:32.09 | cafuego | !topicbadger brunch |
| 21:32.10 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that brunch didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 21:32.11 | directhex | !debian solutions |
| 21:32.11 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 21:32.14 | ep | I'm not sure if I did it as directed or not :-) Can I check that testing is still my default? |
| 21:32.18 | dvs | !ubuntu |
| 21:32.19 | Flimzy | brunch: The short answer is "no" The long answer is "Hell no" |
| 21:32.21 | streuner | brunch: apples are bananas, right? |
| 21:32.31 | directhex | ep, apt-cache policy wine |
| 21:32.40 | greycat | Flimzy: heh |
| 21:32.48 | dvs | uh oh, we overworked dpkg |
| 21:32.51 | directhex | ep, look at the stars. next to 0.0.20041201-1 means sarge, 0.0.20050310-1 means sid |
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| 21:33.30 | De_Mon | directhex stars? |
| 21:33.31 | mrhemlock | dvs he is going to union meeting |
| 21:33.35 | ep | ok im good (1) |
| 21:33.37 | cafuego | dvs: Dondelelcaro is checking too much pr0n and killing dpkg's bandwidth. |
| 21:33.38 | ep | thanks |
| 21:33.46 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.56 | dvs | mrhemlock: Maybe a union meeting? |
| 21:34.03 | brunch | thanks anyways... |
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| 21:34.07 | dvs | mrhemlock: Probably |
| 21:34.20 | SpamHog | !nonsense brunch |
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| 21:34.35 | cafuego | SpamHog: neither dpkg nor brunch are here. |
| 21:34.35 | dvs | SpamHog: dpkg is on strike! |
| 21:34.42 | mrhemlock | dvs over worked/underpaid ..... |
| 21:34.52 | ansong | dvs, no go. alsamixer gives me Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4, Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B, View: Playback, Item: Line[Off], and they've got volume |
| 21:34.55 | bocai2015 | SpamHog, do you have msn? |
| 21:34.57 | dvs | mrhemlock: sounds familiar |
| 21:35.00 | ep | directhex, actually i've got both listed |
| 21:35.04 | SpamHog | brunch: #ubuntu has a friendly community |
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| 21:35.33 | dvs | ansong: Did you unmute the chanels? and no, turning up the volume all the way is not unmuting |
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| 21:35.35 | mrhemlock | SpamHog, so are we |
| 21:35.43 | SpamHog | bocai2015: *all* IM broken at the moment |
| 21:35.52 | directhex | ep, both are listed. one has a priority 990 (high), one has low (500) |
| 21:35.53 | starshine | has *anyone* done software raid via the netinst or is it just plain b0rked? |
| 21:36.12 | travisat | bocai2015, SpamHog why can't you just /msg each other |
| 21:36.16 | dondelelcaro | damnit, it's the fucking stupid shm bug again |
| 21:36.20 | bocai2015 | SpamHog, my kernel is bf2.4.18 |
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| 21:36.27 | SpamHog | mrhemlock: you should have said we're soooo nasty ... ;) |
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| 21:36.32 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 21:36.32 | dpkg | aw, gee, dvs |
| 21:36.49 | ansong | dvs, 'm' toggles mute, yes? |
| 21:36.52 | sussudio | !botsex dvs |
| 21:37.14 | bocai2015 | in kde3.3 ,some time have sound ,but restart machine ,sound failed |
| 21:37.18 | dvs | ansong: I think so. I use the X version, alsamixergui |
| 21:37.53 | ansong | dvs, i'll just d/l it && try |
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| 21:38.20 | starshine | 782 people in this place and it's clueless about netinst. sad. |
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| 21:38.37 | baz | hmm okay now I need to transfer 80g of network from one debian box to another |
| 21:38.47 | baz | the source box is a pentium classic - ssl slows it down to a crawl |
| 21:38.53 | mrhemlock | !botsnack |
| 21:38.53 | dpkg | thanks, mrhemlock |
| 21:38.56 | baz | can I do something crazy/clever with netcat or something? |
| 21:38.58 | wpg_guard | Hi all. Do anyone know if a Debian package that can act like a dead man's switch? I know I could do it in a cron job of some sort, but I thought there might be something more elegant out there. |
| 21:39.03 | baz | or do I have to create an nfs mount |
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| 21:39.07 | De_Mon | baz whats wrong with ftp? |
| 21:39.25 | baz | De_Mon: can I transfer a whole partition in one line with ftp? |
| 21:39.26 | jcole | i have a package, that whenever a new version is released, i have to recompile the support i want into it (vi debian/rules)... is there debian a way to automate this? |
| 21:39.27 | Flimzy | wpg_guard: what is a dead man's switch? |
| 21:39.31 | iiiclaw | i need to reformat the partition that my lilo program is on (linux), and just have the main partition (windows) boot up like it did before i installed linux... how could i do such a thing without making my (windows) partition unbootable? |
| 21:39.40 | Flimzy | baz: probably not. |
| 21:39.45 | greycat | wpg_guard: dead man's switch for what? |
| 21:39.50 | wpg_guard | Flimzy: It's a system that will do stuff in case you die. IE: E-mail people passwords and such. |
| 21:39.51 | ep | can I paste it to flood, both have 500 |
| 21:39.57 | baz | scp -R /home/* me@target:/home would work fine |
| 21:39.59 | baz | but it's too slow |
| 21:39.59 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: You mean you want to remove lilo? |
| 21:40.10 | iiiclaw | yes |
| 21:40.12 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: Usually lilo is installed on the MBR, not on a partition (altho not always) |
| 21:40.14 | baz | I thought there might be something I could do without ssl |
| 21:40.14 | jcole | iiiclaw: boot win98 boot disk, type "fdisk /mbr" |
| 21:40.19 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: If that's the case, in Windows run 'fdisk /mbr' |
| 21:40.30 | alcorrr | wpg_guard, why would you care, you're dead |
| 21:40.31 | wpg_guard | greycat: Like I said above, mostly just to e-mail passwords in case you (as a sysadmin) die. |
| 21:40.37 | greycat | wpg_guard: sound fairly simple. Every time you login, have it touch(1) a file, and if that file's mtime is ever > X days, activate. |
| 21:40.47 | De_Mon | baz ncftp supports -R |
| 21:40.47 | greycat | wpg_guard: just make sure you login or touch the file every day. |
| 21:40.47 | iiiclaw | ah, great thnx much |
| 21:40.52 | Ronin | just turn it off when you go on vacation |
| 21:41.01 | baz | De_Mon: ah, that sounds promising |
| 21:41.01 | wpg_guard | alcorrr: Because there's people out there that matter to you that you don't want to give a hard time to. Just like writing a will. |
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| 21:41.08 | Flimzy | wpg_guard: I don't think anyone needs my passwords that badly. |
| 21:41.12 | starshine | debian's going to be worse than useless on this sparc if I can't actually install it. and don't mention #debian-sparc, I'm already in there and they are just as stumped. |
| 21:41.31 | ribnitz | starshine: what sparc? |
| 21:41.48 | C17H21NO4 | De_Mon: Unless I am missing something, ncftp will only go one directory deep. |
| 21:41.51 | Flimzy | starshine: That's very interesting... tell me more! |
| 21:41.52 | starshine | ribnitz: ultra5. |
| 21:41.55 | baz | C17H21NO4: ugh :( |
| 21:41.56 | ribnitz | starshine: have first-hand experience on sparcstation 5 and ultra 10 |
| 21:42.08 | alcorrr | ummm, wpg_guard, if you would trust those people after you die, why not give them the passwords now? |
| 21:42.10 | De_Mon | C17H21NO4 uh, yeah I think you're missing something |
| 21:42.26 | ribnitz | starshine: with sparcs, the magic is installing using netboot. |
| 21:42.38 | Flimzy | De_Mon: FTP is a horrible way to back up an entire Unix partition, if that's what you're doing. |
| 21:42.39 | ansong | dvs, hmm, HeadJack Sense muted lets me get sound. i'm an idiot. |
| 21:42.51 | starshine | Flimzy: it says that I must have partitions marked of type "Linux RAID Autodetect" however selecting free space to partition only offers other types, lvm, swap and don't assign type |
| 21:42.55 | baz | Flimzy: he's not, I am (unless someone has a better suggestion) |
| 21:42.56 | starshine | no raid autodetetc |
| 21:42.57 | wpg_guard | alcorrr: It's not really a matter of trust, but to allow them to at least continue to do stuff on the system in case you die. |
| 21:43.05 | dvs | ansong: That mute thing gets lots of newbies |
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| 21:43.18 | Flimzy | baz: Ah. Well don't use FTP |
| 21:43.18 | ribnitz | starshine: HW raid? |
| 21:43.20 | starshine | ribnitz: I don't have any other sparcs here, *bzzzzy* try again |
| 21:43.22 | alcorrr | put the root pass in an envelope and leave it with your lawyer |
| 21:43.30 | revelater | help i need to burn a cd!!! |
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| 21:43.37 | Flimzy | starshine: Then don't use the automatic partition tool. |
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| 21:43.39 | starshine | ribnitz: no, software raid, two hard drives, ultra 5 native controller |
| 21:43.41 | alcorrr | then shoot yourself to test the system... you gotta make sure it works |
| 21:43.41 | wpg_guard | alcorrr: Yeah, I guess that's one way of doing it. |
| 21:43.48 | Flimzy | starshine: Alt-F2, and use a different partition tool that allows other types. |
| 21:43.49 | baz | Flimzy: heh. we've established that. the source machine is so slow that scp will take several hours. I know because I've done it before |
| 21:43.54 | wpg_guard | alcorrr: <lol> and <sigh> at the same time. |
| 21:44.00 | baz | Flimzy: but I'm not sure what that leaves |
| 21:44.05 | baz | Flimzy: samba or nfs I guess |
| 21:44.08 | ribnitz | starshine: you need a) a network, b) a dhcp and rarp server c) a tftp server |
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| 21:44.10 | cahoot | wpg_guard: won't init 1 suffice? |
| 21:44.10 | starshine | Flimzy: I'm not in automatic at all, the manual partitioner offers no RAID, the RAID option won't do it itself. moronic. |
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| 21:44.16 | Flimzy | baz: use tar + netcat or tar + rsh |
| 21:44.20 | michal__ | cafuego: good morning. which revision of the wrt56g do you have? |
| 21:44.22 | revelater | can someone help me configure my system to burn a cd? |
| 21:44.23 | greycat | s/rsh/ssh/ |
| 21:44.30 | Flimzy | baz: You could use nfs or samba (nfs would be faster) |
| 21:44.32 | dvs | revelater: Which kernel? |
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| 21:44.36 | Flimzy | baz: But rsh/netcat would have less overhead |
| 21:44.37 | baz | Flimzy: example of tar + nc? |
| 21:44.37 | De_Mon | baz he wants you to use ta.. yeah tar |
| 21:44.38 | greycat | or rsync (with or without ssh) |
| 21:44.41 | starshine | ribnitz: *this box* would be the tftp server, if it weren't dead, which it is. gimme square 1, not square 5. |
| 21:44.45 | wpg_guard | cahoot: init 1? As in put the system into single user mode? |
| 21:44.45 | ribnitz | baz: rsync? |
| 21:44.45 | ep | directhex, I don't get any stars on the output. And sid and sarge both have 500 priority. |
| 21:44.48 | Flimzy | greycat: He doesn't want to use ssh b/c it's "too slow" |
| 21:44.48 | revelater | dvs, 2.4 |
| 21:44.53 | Redwraith111 | alright.. ive looked everywhere and cant understand the instructions: does anyone know how to get access my linux box from windows? it asks for a password and username but no matter what i type it doesnt work |
| 21:44.54 | revelater | dvs, woody |
| 21:45.07 | ep | plus theres a Candidate line |
| 21:45.08 | ansong | dvs, yeah, whats so bad is that i didn't try all the fields. i made sure Master, PCM, CD, etc weren't muted but live & learn i guess. Thanks for your help |
| 21:45.10 | baz | Flimzy: it's a pentium 100 with 32mb ram. I assure you it's painfully slow |
| 21:45.23 | revelater | dvs, i need it to install sarge properly... |
| 21:45.25 | cahoot | wpg_guard: yes |
| 21:45.26 | dvs | ansong: no problem |
| 21:45.27 | starshine | Flimzy: I also looked for fdisk, and cfdisk, neither are present. |
| 21:45.27 | baz | Flimzy: encrypting every packet of 80Gb is not an option :) |
| 21:45.35 | ribnitz | baz: do you expect backups to be fast? |
| 21:45.46 | Flimzy | Redwraith111: Well, that obviously depends on what you mean by "access" There are countless ways to "access" machines remotely. telnet, ssh, ftp, file shares, finger, etc |
| 21:45.51 | greycat | Flimzy: no, he said scp was too slow. which may very well be true. scp is horribly slow even on machines where ssh is just fine. |
| 21:45.54 | baz | ribnitz: *sigh* there are 2 ways to copy data. fast and slow. I want to do it the fast way. |
| 21:45.58 | wpg_guard | cahoot: You need to be able to login as root to do that in the first place, or are you just being funny? |
| 21:46.00 | De_Mon | baz is this a one time transfer? |
| 21:46.05 | ansong | baz, isn't there a null cipher switch for ssh that encrypts the user/pass but not all the data? |
| 21:46.06 | Redwraith111 | i want to do it by samba |
| 21:46.07 | greycat | Flimzy: it's got something to do with scp's lack of intelligent buffering |
| 21:46.08 | Redwraith111 | flimzy |
| 21:46.09 | dvs | revelater: You can't burn the CD elsewhere? Burning CD on 2.4 is a bit drawn out |
| 21:46.09 | baz | De_Mon: yes, the old machine is being retired |
| 21:46.10 | Redwraith111 | to print |
| 21:46.10 | Flimzy | baz: Which would be why I suggested rsh or netcat. And why greycat suggested rsync w/o ssh |
| 21:46.14 | directhex | ep, which is the candidate? |
| 21:46.19 | Flimzy | greycat: ah |
| 21:46.21 | ribnitz | baz: that means unencrypted. |
| 21:46.21 | baz | Flimzy: sounds good, just reading man netcat atm |
| 21:46.30 | baz | ribnitz: I know :) |
| 21:46.32 | ep | directhex, Candidate: 0.0.20050310-1 |
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| 21:46.35 | Flimzy | starshine: If all else fails, use your own fdisk/cfdisk statically compiled binary. |
| 21:46.42 | revelater | dvs, not really... this is the only computer i have that can bern iso's |
| 21:46.48 | ribnitz | baz: take a look at dirvish/rsync too |
| 21:46.55 | starshine | Flimzy: since both my sparc are dead that's a tall order, where the f would I get it from. |
| 21:46.58 | dvs | revelater: Are you using a debian kernel? |
| 21:47.00 | directhex | ep, you fucked up then |
| 21:47.03 | baz | ribnitz: thanks, I will. I thought rsync used ssh but it looks like I was wrong |
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| 21:47.06 | revelater | dvs, yes |
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| 21:47.19 | ribnitz | baz: rsync CAN USE ssh. |
| 21:47.22 | starshine | Flimzy: also if I had only the one machine I'd have no choice in that would I? |
| 21:47.25 | p88 | Hi all. I have a question concerning kernels: |
| 21:47.27 | dvs | revelater: What does "lsmod | grep ide-cd" say? |
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| 21:47.49 | Flimzy | starshine: You can cross-compile. You can move your HDs to another machine to fdisk them. |
| 21:47.53 | baz | ribnitz: probably why I got confused! |
| 21:47.55 | directhex | ep, echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 21:48.03 | starshine | Flimzy: I want the damn installer to work out of the disc? |
| 21:48.07 | Flimzy | starshine: You could install Debian w/o Raid, compile a static binary, then reinstall |
| 21:48.08 | revelater | dvs, it returns nothing |
| 21:48.11 | p88 | Would it be better to install a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel when I don't care about functionality but do want sound and midi to work and acpi as well? |
| 21:48.15 | ribnitz | baz: dirsvish is a backup solution (hdd backup using rsync. |
| 21:48.19 | Flimzy | starshine: There are many options available to someone with some creativity. |
| 21:48.24 | ribnitz | baz: "dirvish" |
| 21:48.26 | greycat | p88: sound == OSS or ALSA? |
| 21:48.35 | p88 | greycat: OSS |
| 21:48.35 | greycat | if you want OSS, and "just works", go with 2.4 |
| 21:48.36 | Flimzy | starshine: Then talk to the d-i developers, and stop whining to us. |
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| 21:48.41 | starshine | Flimzy: you assume I have another box available. I don't. |
| 21:48.41 | ep | ok |
| 21:48.43 | ep | done |
| 21:48.45 | greycat | I can't help you with acpi, though |
| 21:48.47 | Flimzy | starshine: You do realize it's still beta software, right? |
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| 21:48.55 | ansong | p88, for ACPI on relatively recent machines: 2.6 |
| 21:48.57 | p88 | "just works" meaning that it works but it is not very mature? |
| 21:49.01 | Flimzy | starshine: You obviously do have another machine available... you're talking to me on IRC right now. |
| 21:49.03 | starshine | Flimzy: great. it's broken. fine then. fix the damn raid stuff. |
| 21:49.05 | greycat | p88: no, "just works' |
| 21:49.07 | greycat | bah. |
| 21:49.08 | Flimzy | starshine: Or are you IRCing from a mobile phone or something? |
| 21:49.08 | p88 | ok |
| 21:49.11 | p88 | I understand |
| 21:49.21 | greycat | p88: no, "just works" as opposed to "has a tendency to fail unexpectedly" |
| 21:49.25 | revelater | dvs, oh, and i have 2 cd drives, one dvd the other cdrw, the system automatically sees the dvd, i have to mount the cdrw as /dev/hdd |
| 21:49.26 | Flimzy | starshine: Yeah, sure... I'll fix the damn raid stuff. Just as soon as your check for $10,000 clears the bank. |
| 21:49.30 | ep | thanks |
| 21:49.54 | starshine | Flimzy: I'm sitting in front of a semi-dead sparc halfway through its debian install, only its partitioning sucks. that's what. I have serivces running on the box I'm irc'ing from - it's not available to kick. |
| 21:50.07 | baz | thanks guys, the example from the netcat readme looks like exactly what I needed |
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| 21:50.22 | dvs | revelater: Do you use lilo? |
| 21:50.33 | revelater | dvs yes |
| 21:50.39 | p88 | Yes okay so in 2.6 it works but tends to fail. ansong, the two things I want ACPI to do is watch the CPU temperature and shut down my computer i.e. power it off. |
| 21:50.39 | starshine | Flimzy: tell you what, just leave the broken parts out of the installer, it'll save you tech support calls, and people won't think debian is so stupid they can't build a working installer. |
| 21:50.42 | Flimzy | starshine: Order a 486 on eBay for $20. In a week when it arrives, you'll have a spare machine you can fdisk with. |
| 21:50.43 | jclinton | Bleh. Leftover shrimp microwaved sucks. |
| 21:50.52 | revelater | dvs i did kindof a dirty install of unstable |
| 21:50.54 | Flimzy | starshine: Or try one of the many other options I suggested. |
| 21:51.02 | Chris62vw | should I use xorg or xfree86? |
| 21:51.03 | p88 | ansong: does the 2.4 ACPI do that? |
| 21:51.11 | MobyTurbo | Chris62vw: /topic |
| 21:51.14 | Chris62vw | thanks |
| 21:51.15 | Flimzy | starshine: I like it when ppl think Debian is stupid... b/c that means they don't bother me, and expect me to provide free tech support. |
| 21:51.22 | baz | Chris62vw: with debian, I think you're limited to xfree for now |
| 21:51.23 | Flimzy | starshine: I'm hoping you'll soon decide Debian sucks, too, and go away and stop being a baby. |
| 21:51.23 | starshine | Flimzy: fuck off then. you gave nothing that actually helped, there's no sparc binary for fdisk in this netinst. |
| 21:51.24 | revelater | and i have <1hour to start it burning |
| 21:51.26 | ribnitz | Chris62vw: whatever you like. |
| 21:51.28 | Chris62vw | baz, oh okay |
| 21:51.37 | Chris62vw | ribnitz, I like the faster one and I dont have experience with both |
| 21:51.41 | helix | what the |
| 21:51.53 | Flimzy | starshine: I gave you several options. |
| 21:51.54 | De_Mon | starshine ignore is your friend |
| 21:51.55 | ribnitz | Chris62vw: then take the one thats thwere, xfree86. |
| 21:51.57 | starshine | Flimzy: The previous sparc had been debian for a few year,s, I had some delusion the current debian would actually work. |
| 21:52.03 | Chris62vw | ribnitz, oh, okay, thanks! |
| 21:52.03 | starshine | De_Mon: thanks :) |
| 21:52.14 | Flimzy | starshine: If you don't like them, that's hardly my problem, now is it? |
| 21:52.14 | dvs | revelater: Can you read from the CD's with your current setup? |
| 21:52.17 | helix | starshine: which sparc is this? |
| 21:52.25 | ribnitz | Chris62vw: practically you dont see much difference anyway. |
| 21:52.26 | helix | why are you yelling at flimzy about a broken installer? |
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| 21:52.31 | kbrooks | I have a question. |
| 21:52.34 | Flimzy | starshine: Well, stable debian does work on sparc. I use it. |
| 21:52.35 | Chris62vw | ribnitz, I didn't think so |
| 21:52.37 | h28H75 | hi all |
| 21:52.39 | De_Mon | helix because hes yelling back of course |
| 21:52.40 | kbrooks | I have a question! |
| 21:52.46 | starshine | helix: ultra 5. partitioner manual mode does not offer "software raid" as partition table tupe. |
| 21:52.49 | Flimzy | starshine: And if you weren't treating me like such an ass, I would have volunteered to compile a static fdisk for you on my sparc. |
| 21:52.50 | dvs | kbrooks: That's nice |
| 21:52.55 | ribnitz | Chris62vw: except that X.org has worse driver support. |
| 21:52.59 | helix | I love how people use the psychology of third graders and exacerbate arguments |
| 21:53.02 | helix | starshine: ahh |
| 21:53.04 | kbrooks | okay |
| 21:53.06 | kbrooks | ummmmmmm |
| 21:53.09 | Chris62vw | ribnitz, ahh. okay, thanks. I have an nvidia card |
| 21:53.12 | alcorrr | is anyone using courier-maildrop with mysql support? |
| 21:53.24 | Flimzy | starshine: But now that you've (elegedly) ignored me, you won't know that the offer is even available. |
| 21:53.24 | starshine | helix: however the raid configurator insists the partition must already be marked so. chicken and egg. |
| 21:53.34 | greycat | helix: nya nya nya!! told you so! |
| 21:53.34 | kbrooks | how can i set the verbosity level of debian apt |
| 21:53.37 | helix | starshine: the sparc d-i people are very helpful, fwiw -- if you were to file an installation report, you would probably get a helpful reply fairly quickly |
| 21:53.40 | ribnitz | Chris62vw: so do I. working fine with an xfree86 (and the corresponding nvidia-module) |
| 21:53.41 | ansong | p88, all i can give is my experience with it, and i've had much fewer problems with my laptops when using 2.6. but your hardware is going to be a variable here. worst comes to worst you try again, right? |
| 21:53.46 | revelater | dvs, yup! |
| 21:53.54 | Chris62vw | ribnitz, great, thanks for the help, I appreciate it! |
| 21:53.55 | jepel_tailweaver | kbrooks, are you referring to debconf, or apt-get itself? |
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| 21:54.12 | kbrooks | jepel_tailweaver, i have no idea how this works |
| 21:54.19 | starshine | helix: I will file that, though I will probably have to spin this box up without raid, as speed is more important than the battle :( |
| 21:54.19 | p88 | ansong: Okay I will then configure one 2.6 and one 2.4 kernel and compare them. |
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| 21:54.30 | helix | starshine: yeah, I understand |
| 21:54.32 | revelater | !botsnack |
| 21:54.32 | plasmid | hello.. |
| 21:54.32 | dpkg | revelater: thanks |
| 21:54.35 | starshine | helix: I was rather hoping I was merely being stupid rather than hitting a broken brick wall |
| 21:54.59 | plasmid | I am trying to use par files to check the integrity of .rar files i downloaded from newsgroups. Can anyone recommend a gui based par checker? |
| 21:55.00 | jepel_tailweaver | kbrooks, if you want to change the verbosity level of the thingy that asks config questions when you install packages, type 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' |
| 21:55.02 | ansong | p88, on modern hardware i'm betting you'll stick with the 2.6 series. have fun man |
| 21:55.04 | helix | starshine: the installer has worked well for me but I've never tried to do anything like that |
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| 21:55.23 | Blade | Hi , All |
| 21:55.24 | dvs | revelater: Ok, I'm assuming you're using GRUB since you installed unstable. On the #kopt line, add this to the end of it: hdc=scsi hdd=scsi assuming your CD drives are the secondard master and slave |
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| 21:55.27 | alcorrr | does anyone have experience with running a mail server with virtual domain/users support and Maildirs? i just have a few questions, i'm scrapping courier-maildrop |
| 21:55.31 | starshine | helix: imo they should leave broken features out. |
| 21:55.33 | kbrooks | jepel_tailweaver, apt-get. i want it to print out command that it executes |
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| 21:55.52 | p88 | ansong: Thanks :-) if I survive this struggle I will tell you my experiences if we meet again. |
| 21:55.56 | p88 | Bye for now |
| 21:55.58 | debiand00d | plasmid: it depends what algorithm made the par files |
| 21:55.59 | helix | starshine: yeah, maybe, but there aren't exactly tons of people testing stuff and filing bugs; nor is there a huge team... |
| 21:55.59 | Flimzy | alcorrr: yeah, I do it... with courier |
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| 21:56.07 | ansong | p88, later |
| 21:56.08 | revelater | dvs, what grub? if its a boot loader then i am using lilo |
| 21:56.16 | ub99 | i love dpkg he helps always me newb |
| 21:56.20 | abrotman | or he could ask the -boot people ? |
| 21:56.22 | Blade | i will like to known if sarge work with LSI-1020 scsi controller |
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| 21:56.25 | alcorrr | Flimzy, do you run maildrop with mysql support, or what do you use to put incoming mails into maildirs? |
| 21:56.26 | uince | hi |
| 21:56.37 | Blade | i will like to known if sarge work with LSI-1020 scsi controller |
| 21:56.47 | thomas_adam | Blade: It's kernel specific, so check there. |
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| 21:56.51 | starshine | helix: it needs to be selfcontained, I don't see why they'd make the item topmost if it can't be done without intervention from an outside disc |
| 21:56.59 | kbrooks | hello? |
| 21:57.00 | thomas_adam | Blade: Ask in #debian-boot -- they'd know. |
| 21:57.09 | Blade | thx Thomas |
| 21:57.10 | kbrooks | how can i set the verbosity level of debian apt-get? |
| 21:57.10 | debiand00d | Blade: Probably |
| 21:57.16 | alcorrr | Flimzy: i have everything running fine, postfix and courier pop and imap, it's just that maildrop crashes (the compiled one) and the stock from the package doesn't come with mysql support |
| 21:57.21 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: man apt-get |
| 21:57.23 | uince | how can I stop the X server? now gdm starts at start up and if i Kill X it restarts immediatily!!!! |
| 21:57.24 | dvs | revelater: In your /etc/grub.conf file, add this line to the kernel you boot with: append="hdc=ide-scsi" where hdc is the CD drive you want to burn with (hdc set it to the secondary master) |
| 21:57.24 | Flimzy | alcorrr: I use Maildir... I wouldn't touch mysql with a ten-foot pole. I might use postgresql some day, but not now. |
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| 21:57.32 | thomas_adam | uince: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:57.34 | revelater | !kill revelater before he kills himself |
| 21:57.37 | dvs | revelater: In your /etc/lilo.conf file, add this line to the kernel you boot with: append="hdc=ide-scsi" where hdc is the CD drive you want to burn with (hdc set it to the secondary master) |
| 21:57.39 | Blade | very thx Thomas |
| 21:57.44 | alcorrr | Flimzy, so how do you set the virtual domains and users for each domain? |
| 21:57.46 | oPeter | Hello, we are running apache under www-data, but we get "Resource temporarily unavailable", is there a way to only give www-data more resources (instead what we now use to increase all users more resources) |
| 21:58.06 | thomas_adam | oPeter: That's not what the error means. |
| 21:58.14 | thomas_adam | oPeter: It has nothing to do with which user apache runs as. |
| 21:58.22 | Flimzy | alcorrr: I just use the standard users, aliases, etc, files |
| 21:58.27 | sdogi | crazy, do you guys realize that there are more people then in some little city's ? |
| 21:58.30 | plasmid | Anyone know a good .par file checker? gui based? |
| 21:58.30 | sdogi | s/there/here/ |
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| 21:58.39 | jesterea | hi, sorry, i messed something up, i had troubles compiling a program and changed something in /lib/ - i replaced the symbolic link libgcc_s.so.1 with the real file, but now ldconfig complains and i don't want to run into trouble later on... can anyone tell me which file it is linked to normally? |
| 21:58.44 | oPeter | thomas_adam: oh thomas_adam? can you explain to me what it is? |
| 21:58.48 | Flimzy | plasmid: what is a .par file? |
| 21:59.02 | baz | starshine: good shot |
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| 21:59.09 | thomas_adam | oPeter: It could be anything -- can you be more specific? Such as checking your logs? |
| 21:59.10 | starshine | damn. I opened it first. no smash tinkle noise. |
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| 21:59.18 | greycat | jesterea: um. |
| 21:59.24 | starshine | baz: thanks |
| 21:59.27 | oPeter | yes thomas_adam, a moment |
| 21:59.29 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32324 Dec 18 21:16 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 21:59.31 | alcorrr | Flimzy, so you have user@domain.com users for each one? |
| 21:59.43 | debiand00d | jesterea: I think it is /usr/lib/gcc/filname |
| 21:59.45 | kbrooks | thomas_adam, i dont see anything in the man page. i even tried man apt.conf |
| 21:59.49 | oPeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.50 | Blade | bye all , thanks for your replys |
| 21:59.51 | jesterea | greycat: ??? |
| 21:59.54 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: What kind of verbosity? |
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| 22:00.05 | jesterea | debiand00d: i'll try, thx |
| 22:00.05 | ansong | jesterea, mine isn't a symlink |
| 22:00.07 | uince | thomas_adam: I need to stop the server just to run a program for a while!! how can i do? |
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| 22:00.14 | De_Mon | jesterea apt-get install --reinstall libgcc1 might straight things out |
| 22:00.15 | uince | thomas_adam: I need to stop the X server just to run a program for a while!! how can i do? |
| 22:00.16 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Bearing in mind that for all the questions you have asked here thus far, *all* the answers are within the manpage. |
| 22:00.20 | Flimzy | alcorrr: I have several domains (used to have more)... flimzy.com, oneboxinc.com, living-stones.com, ultimatecarswichita.com, etc, etc... all with their own independant user name space. If that's what you mean. |
| 22:00.24 | plasmid | Flimzy a par file .par is a parity file that is used to reconstruct missing pieces of .rar files (usually from newsgrouops) |
| 22:00.26 | kbrooks | thomas_adam, very verbose. prints EVERYTHING it does. |
| 22:00.27 | greycat | jesterea: see above. it's not a symlink. |
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| 22:00.30 | thomas_adam | uince: invoke-rc.d xdm stop |
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| 22:00.37 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: strace |
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| 22:00.48 | De_Mon | jesterea dpkg -S <filename> will tell you which package a file belongs to |
| 22:00.50 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: That's the ultimate verbosity. |
| 22:00.52 | debiand00d | uince: hit ctrl + alt + F1 |
| 22:01.00 | baz | thomas_adam: nice |
| 22:01.01 | alcorrr | Flimzy, yeah, but how do you set it up, where do the Mailbox dirs sit? on mine, i have /home/vmail/domain.com/user/Maildir for each one |
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| 22:01.07 | Flimzy | plasmid: ah. never used one. I think there are rar tools... if there's anything to check .par files, it'd probably be there. Altho it probably won't be GUI (it would suck if it was) |
| 22:01.12 | greycat | De_Mon: which of course fails quite handily on symlinks... good thing his file isn't one after all :) |
| 22:01.18 | dvs | revelater: Are you there? |
| 22:01.18 | ansong | jesterea, isn't there a dpkg command to know what package certain files belong to? couldn't you just reload that package? |
| 22:01.25 | uince | debiand00d: no I need to stop the server, not just a console |
| 22:01.30 | greycat | ansong: -S, as De_Mon said |
| 22:01.36 | thomas_adam | uince: I just said. |
| 22:01.36 | Flimzy | alcorrr: Something like /var/spool/virtual/<domain>/u/user/Maildir |
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| 22:01.47 | BucWheat_ | how do i completely disable X's blank screen and turning monitor off after periods of inactivity? setting these values to 9999 isn't going to cut it heh |
| 22:01.53 | greycat | I *would've* suggested an apt-get --reinstall install command for jesterea, but if he really broke something in /lib, all bets are off. |
| 22:01.55 | BucWheat_ | i need the monitor to be on 100% of the time |
| 22:01.57 | ansong | greycat, oops, shoulda paid attention |
| 22:02.02 | baz | BucWheat_: xset +s off I think |
| 22:02.04 | oPeter | thomas_adam: [alert] (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: setuid: unable to change to uid: 33 |
| 22:02.06 | Flimzy | BucWheat_: try a value of '0'? |
| 22:02.07 | plasmid | Flimzy: yes.. unfortunately rartools doesn't have anythying like that. The closest thing i found was quickpar for win.. i emulate it..but it's too S L O W. |
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| 22:02.08 | greycat | especially apt-get. it's C++. lots more ugly libraries. |
| 22:02.10 | revelater | dvs, yes, but i am a little confused |
| 22:02.11 | alcorrr | or, so what do you use for authentication? |
| 22:02.18 | thomas_adam | oPeter: Ah ha. A proper error message. |
| 22:02.19 | dvs | revelater: About what? |
| 22:02.27 | BucWheat_ | baz, Flimzy let me try those |
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| 22:02.38 | De_Mon | greycat what creates simlinks for libs if not the install scrit for that library? |
| 22:02.43 | jesterea | ansong: i tried that, but it complained somehow something about idontknow (which belongs together with the linking / file problem) |
| 22:02.43 | thomas_adam | oPeter: Have you followed that up? |
| 22:02.47 | SpamHog | sorry for making too much noize earlier... |
| 22:02.49 | Flimzy | plasmid: sorry, I dunno then |
| 22:02.56 | LSorensen | do_: ldconfig ? |
| 22:02.58 | greycat | De_Mon: the point is that the symlinks made by postinst scripts do not show up in dpkg -S searches |
| 22:03.00 | LSorensen | er De_Mon |
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| 22:03.17 | alcorrr | Flimzy, or, so what do you use for authentication? |
| 22:03.27 | uince | do you know the name of the packet with the NVidia drivers????? |
| 22:03.32 | debiand00d | try FSRaid for par files |
| 22:03.32 | thomas_adam | uince: Heh. |
| 22:03.35 | greycat | uince: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:03.42 | greycat | !faq |
| 22:03.42 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:03.43 | oPeter | thomas_adam: yes we have the problem for a long time, each time we try to encrese the resources but always the errors come back so i was thinking #debian as final way to get a solution |
| 22:03.47 | revelater | dvs, so you want me to write append="hdd=ide-scsi" where in lilo.conf? (and it is hdd where my cdrw is) |
| 22:03.48 | Flimzy | alcorrr: You mean for the backend? Just the normal users files |
| 22:04.00 | Flimzy | alcorrr: no databsae or ldap or anything like that. |
| 22:04.04 | starshine | (for the record, debian is great, so far it's the installers that suck. I think I'll go back to tarballs.) |
| 22:04.16 | De_Mon | greycat hrm, I thought dpkg -S would check for the simlinked file, it seems to find which package /lib/libpam.so.0 @ belongs to (maybe its wrong?) |
| 22:04.18 | jesterea | but: i checked /usr/lib/gcc-lib/ix86/ and in both dirs the .so files are links to /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 22:04.20 | alcorrr | Flimzy, ok, so what's the process for adding a user then? and can you do quotas? |
| 22:04.30 | dvs | revelater: put that on a line by itself after the image= line that points to the kernel. And yes, use hdd if that's where the cdrw is |
| 22:04.37 | thomas_adam | oPeter: Well, are "we" (whoever that might be) doing anything with PAM, say via /etc/security/limits.conf, or have some odd ulimit enforced? |
| 22:04.54 | Flimzy | alcorrr: Yeah, I use quotas. I just add a line to the users file, then run make (using some scripts and a Makefile I built myself) |
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| 22:05.16 | Flimzy | alcorrr: Add a line to /etc/courier/users/users-file, then rebuild the configs |
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| 22:05.22 | alcorrr | Flimzy, ok thanks a lot, i'll look into it |
| 22:05.28 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: dpkg can only search for files originally in the deb file -- files created after it, will obnviously not show up. |
| 22:05.30 | Flimzy | alcorrr: There are some tools to add users more easily |
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| 22:05.37 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 22:05.45 | Flimzy | alcorrr: altho I haven't used them directly for years, since I wrote my own scripts. |
| 22:05.57 | dvs | ravenbird is a wannabe apt! |
| 22:05.57 | ravenbird | dvs: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:06.03 | oPeter | thomas_adam: we have used ulimit yes, and also limits.conf (but that last one did nothing) ulimit fixes the things for a time but it keeps comming back |
| 22:06.07 | debiand00d | jesterea: do a <updatedb> then <locate gcc | less> from a shell and use the space bar and pgup to scroll up and down. |
| 22:06.08 | De_Mon | thomas_adam then I guess the deb contains symlinks for some libraries *shrug* |
| 22:06.18 | Flimzy | alcorrr: A database backend would be much better for a large install. But my system is small enough it hasn't been worth the effort of setting up a db backend. |
| 22:06.27 | thomas_adam | oPeter: Quite. This suggests you have undermet hardware, to me. |
| 22:06.43 | alcorrr | Flimzy, i think i really need that.. i might go with qmail if i can't get maildrop to work |
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| 22:06.58 | revelater | dvs, so i rerun lilo and restart, and it should work now? |
| 22:07.05 | dvs | revelater: Yes. |
| 22:07.22 | revelater | dvs, k, will try |
| 22:07.34 | oPeter | thomas_adam: undermet hardware? can you use another word for undermet because i don't understand it |
| 22:07.43 | cafe_roy | help please - /etc/mtab shows 'none /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0' but my /proc/bus/usb is empty. What am I missing? I have usbcore loaded. |
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| 22:09.04 | debiand00d | cafe_roy: there is uhci and one other I forgot the name |
| 22:09.10 | thomas_adam | oPeter: Old, out of date, not up for the task, etc. |
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| 22:09.31 | Flimzy | Has anyone had any luck getting either ALSA or OSS to work on a CS4327B chipset? Win98 detects the card out of the box, but in Linux, pnpdump doesn't even detect the card. |
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| 22:09.56 | oPeter | thomas_adam: how can our hardware be out of date? it's a brand new server since 3 months |
| 22:10.07 | ansong | Flimzy, what about lspci | grep audio ? |
| 22:10.15 | De_Mon | !anyone |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 22:10.32 | Flimzy | ansong: It's an ISA PnP card |
| 22:10.43 | cafe_roy | debiand00d: yes ehci - both present - puzzling |
| 22:10.43 | ansong | ack |
| 22:10.50 | Flimzy | ansong: yah, no joke. heh |
| 22:10.56 | jesterea | A question, should i try to dpkr -r --force libgcc1 and dpkg -i libgcc1XXXXX (i have the .deb) afterwards, or wouldn't i be able to run dpkg after i removed libgcc1? |
| 22:11.43 | thomas_adam | jesterea: If you have to ask.... you shouldn't. |
| 22:11.47 | debiand00d | cafe_roy: init runs modprobe and mknod for everything there is a driver for and makes all the devices |
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| 22:11.53 | jesterea | :) |
| 22:12.01 | revelater | at program should i use to burn the iso? |
| 22:12.09 | debiand00d | cafe_roy: did you compile a kernel? |
| 22:12.16 | thomas_adam | revelater: cdrecord. |
| 22:12.16 | revelater | dvs, what program should i use to burn iso? |
| 22:12.26 | revelater | so i chould apt-get it? |
| 22:12.28 | Flimzy | revelater: If you mean 'what', and not 'at', then cdrecord is the easiest way. |
| 22:12.33 | thomas_adam | revelater: Why don't you try? |
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| 22:13.00 | Chris62vw | where exactly is the file that lists what servers apt uses? thanks |
| 22:13.01 | Flimzy | revelater: No, don't install it. It's more fun to use software that isn't installed. |
| 22:13.12 | debiand00d | revelater: you can try apt-get install k3b |
| 22:13.16 | Flimzy | Chris62vw: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:13.20 | Chris62vw | thanks Flimzy! |
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| 22:13.32 | revelater | Flimzy, ohh... really well i will just go and do that then!!! |
| 22:13.42 | cafe_roy | debiand00d: yes 2.6.5 |
| 22:13.43 | debiand00d | ok |
| 22:13.47 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 22:13.47 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
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| 22:14.01 | Marxist | is anyone planning on using nero? |
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| 22:14.08 | Bababa | sponge mkallister sucs a big one! |
| 22:14.10 | JSIN | I have a linksys wireless card, and I'm trying to get it recognized in debian sarge. |
| 22:14.13 | cat | !info aterm |
| 22:14.14 | De_Mon | Marxist hahahaha |
| 22:14.15 | dpkg | aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-10 (sid), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 22:14.19 | Flimzy | Marxist: for what? |
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| 22:14.27 | Marxist | exactly |
| 22:14.27 | Vlat | hi |
| 22:14.34 | baz | Marxist: as an example of how to write sucky software? maybe |
| 22:14.39 | JSIN | What program should I use to get my linksys wireless recognized. |
| 22:15.05 | ansong | Flimzy, not to try to swing your question, but google seems to suggest that alsa can be made to work. what i'd do is boot a knoppix/ubuntu livecd and see what modules get loaded and how they get it to work. |
| 22:15.05 | JSIN | dhclient eth0 tells me "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags no device" |
| 22:15.17 | mrhemlock | do any other of the ?terms have a cut and paste like xterm ? |
| 22:15.19 | Chris62vw | I still dont get how to update my sources. I tried using the netselect-apt tool |
| 22:15.26 | Chris62vw | it ran but didn't change the source list in /etc/apt |
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| 22:15.28 | Chris62vw | what's up with that? |
| 22:15.41 | De_Mon | mrhemlock like xterm? |
| 22:15.42 | baz | Chris62vw: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:15.45 | Flimzy | ansong: Well I know which driver it's supposed to use. I also know from google that it's a bitch to make work. |
| 22:15.47 | Marxist | not for it at all |
| 22:15.51 | cafe_roy | deb |
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| 22:16.03 | revelater | dvs, how do i start cdrecord? |
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| 22:16.15 | Flimzy | ansong: I also think that pnpdump should detect the card... and wonder if the fact that it's not detecting it is why the module isn't loading properly |
| 22:16.18 | baz | revelater: man cdrecord |
| 22:16.26 | alcorrr | Chris62vw, use dselect and go to the first option if you want to change them |
| 22:16.26 | ansong | Flimzy, ah there you go. you need a bitch to make it work. sorry i wasn't able to help :P |
| 22:16.34 | De_Mon | revelater did you try 'cdrecord' ? |
| 22:16.41 | debiand00d | cafe_roy: try getting the 2.6.8 source <apt-get update> then <apt-cache search kernel-image> the pick the right kernel source <apt-get install x.x.x-kernel-source> the .tar.bz2 file will be in the /usr/src directory. <cp /boot/config-x.x.x .config> |
| 22:16.53 | Chris62vw | thanks baz, alcorrr |
| 22:16.55 | mrhemlock | right click for words, ..... |
| 22:17.27 | debiand00d | cafe_roy: then <cd *sour*> |
| 22:17.29 | ansong | Flimzy, did you list the module in /etc/modules (thanks dvs...) |
| 22:17.39 | Flimzy | ansong: I think I need to kick ISA PnP really hard :P |
| 22:17.53 | ansong | Flimzy, and i think you need a new soundcard |
| 22:17.59 | Flimzy | ansong: Not yet. I've just been manually loading it (or trying to laod it) thus far |
| 22:18.10 | Flimzy | ansong: A new sound card isn't an option on a laptop, unfortunately. |
| 22:18.21 | directhex | usb one! |
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| 22:18.29 | debiand00d | <cp /usr/src/.config .config> the <make xconfig> leave the usb section as is |
| 22:18.34 | iiiclaw | anyone have a linux manual ebook, or a debian ebook? :/ i figure i might as well get some learning done while jigdo does its thing |
| 22:18.37 | baz | ansong: I personally think it's essential. laptop sounds cards suck big ones |
| 22:18.37 | Flimzy | directhex: no thanks! |
| 22:18.37 | De_Mon | directhex thats just a different kind of headache |
| 22:18.45 | ansong | Flimzy, what error did you get? http://www.soundblaster.com/products/Audigy2zs_notebook/ |
| 22:18.51 | baz | ansong: but then it depends how much space you have in your laptop bag ;) |
| 22:19.07 | baz | er, meant that for Flimzy of course |
| 22:19.11 | revelater | dvs, arrrgggg, big headache, what should i put into the command line? not sure what i need to put, its not very explicite |
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| 22:19.16 | ansong | baz, np |
| 22:19.21 | baz | netcat has driven my eyes to distraction |
| 22:19.30 | Flimzy | ansong: "No such device" |
| 22:19.34 | Flimzy | ansong: It's not a soundblaster card, tho |
| 22:19.45 | Flimzy | baz: Which is essential? |
| 22:20.05 | baz | Flimzy: getting a proper sound system on a laptop. onboard sound usually has too much interference for my ears. |
| 22:20.12 | revelater | did dvs quit? |
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| 22:20.48 | Flimzy | baz: Well if I was buying a new laptop, I'd certianly take the sound chip/system into consideration. |
| 22:20.51 | ansong | Flimzy, what i mean is you can purchase an audigy soundcard in pccard formfactor |
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| 22:21.16 | Flimzy | ansong: oh. ble |
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| 22:21.21 | Flimzy | h |
| 22:21.49 | ansong | Flimzy, granted, i think it's a waste of money but you seem like an audiophile... |
| 22:22.19 | jesterea | ok, thx, i guess i'll leave my libgcc_s.so.1 where it is for the moment |
| 22:22.21 | Flimzy | ansong: nah, I'd just like to play sound. |
| 22:22.29 | cafe_roy | debiand00d: thanks - will try as suggested. |
| 22:22.30 | Flimzy | ansong: If I was gonna throw money away like that, I'd just buy a different laptop :P |
| 22:22.45 | Chris62vw | aha, netselect-apt wasn't defaulting to "testing" even though that is what I am running! |
| 22:22.50 | baz | Flimzy: if you can get a new laptop for the price of a soundcard, I need your supplier's number ;) |
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| 22:23.15 | duolljk | I just burned sarge disc 1 and tried to boot it but it didn't work, please tell me i didnt do something wrong :( |
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| 22:23.28 | De_Mon | duolljk you did something wrong |
| 22:23.32 | duolljk | :/ |
| 22:23.34 | doobeh | :) |
| 22:23.35 | directhex | duolljk, how did you burn the cd? |
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| 22:23.39 | ferris | hey has anyone here been able to get BG2 to work in debian? |
| 22:23.40 | baz | duolljk: if your bios is set to boot from cd and it didn't, then you did do something wrong :) |
| 22:23.41 | Chris62vw | either that or you did something wrong hehe |
| 22:23.46 | directhex | ferris, cedega |
| 22:23.49 | baz | BG2? |
| 22:23.49 | De_Mon | ferris baulders gate 2? |
| 22:23.55 | ansong | Flimzy, allow me to recommend the HP/Compaq Evo N620C. < $900. on ebay |
| 22:23.56 | ferris | yes |
| 22:23.57 | duolljk | no it cmae up saying boot from cd... then it just went on to lilo and boot my harddrive |
| 22:24.03 | Flimzy | baz: Well I dunno what pccard soundcards cost... but I'm sure for that price + what I could sell this lappy for, I could get a laptop with a better sound chip :P |
| 22:24.05 | duolljk | and i burned it just like i do every image using nero |
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| 22:24.15 | directhex | duolljk, HOW using nero? |
| 22:24.20 | duolljk | file-> burn image |
| 22:24.21 | baz | Flimzy: heh, maybe :) |
| 22:24.22 | Flimzy | ansong: I'll never spend money on a HP/Compaq computer. |
| 22:24.31 | De_Mon | baz and if his bios isn't set to boot from cd first, he did something wrong! |
| 22:24.33 | directhex | duolljk, okay, that should be correct then |
| 22:24.47 | Vlat | Flimzy: they're good, if they are servers |
| 22:24.50 | baz | De_Mon: haha good point. but that would be doing a different thing wrong :) |
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| 22:24.55 | aidehua | If I buy a CD online and they post it and it gets lost in the post, is that tough-luck for me (no CD) or tough-luck for the CD company (they have to send another one) ? |
| 22:24.56 | ansong | Flimzy, it's one of their business class notebooks. it's a whole different story compared to their consumer crap |
| 22:24.56 | DoctaBu | Hoo! |
| 22:25.04 | duolljk | gues i'll try it again :( |
| 22:25.08 | baz | aidehua: depends on the company |
| 22:25.13 | Flimzy | ansong: I got this laptop for $125 trade-in on a desktop machine I sold to a coworker |
| 22:25.13 | DoctaBu | Is this possibly a place where I could get debian help? :) |
| 22:25.19 | baz | aidehua: and the laws in your state/country |
| 22:25.30 | baz | DoctaBu: possibly :) |
| 22:25.32 | DoctaBu | Does anybody know of a window manager I can apt-get from teh first Debian CD? |
| 22:25.34 | ferris | DoctaBu.... yes if you ask |
| 22:25.44 | Flimzy | ansong: well even so, I don't have $20 to spend, let alone $900 |
| 22:25.47 | green_earz | hello all, am i right in thinking that > 23/tcp open telnet > on my isp dns server is bad news ? this dns as been giving me pain with unwant dos attacks |
| 22:25.49 | De_Mon | DoctaBu which one do you want? |
| 22:25.52 | DoctaBu | I apologize beforehand on my lack of knowledge of linux |
| 22:25.55 | ferris | xfce should be there |
| 22:25.57 | DoctaBu | I was looking for fluxbox |
| 22:25.59 | DoctaBu | oh really? |
| 22:26.09 | DoctaBu | what's the name? |
| 22:26.11 | De_Mon | fluxbox should be there too |
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| 22:26.17 | DoctaBu | Is there a way to see all of the packages in apt-get |
| 22:26.21 | skelll | hello |
| 22:26.30 | ferris | hi skelll |
| 22:26.35 | baz | DoctaBu: er, find /media/cdrom -iname *.deb or something |
| 22:26.36 | ansong | DoctaBu, try synaptic once you get a gui going |
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| 22:26.49 | green_earz | DoctaBu: dpkg -l | more |
| 22:26.53 | DoctaBu | WHy are you guys so helpful? |
| 22:26.54 | travisat | DoctaBu: alternately you can use aptitude |
| 22:27.08 | beardy | DoctaBu: You can use aptitude to "browse" the packagelist. |
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| 22:27.21 | skelll | can i know why the glib.h is on /usr/include/glib2.0/ and not in /usr/include (under SID) |
| 22:27.27 | Flimzy | DoctaBu: You want to see all packages you have installed, or all the ones you _can_ install? |
| 22:27.29 | green_earz | DoctaBu: sorry thats whats installed on the box |
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| 22:27.35 | DoctaBu | Can install.... |
| 22:27.36 | DoctaBu | Ok, quickly |
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| 22:27.41 | DoctaBu | I should really tell you guys my main problem |
| 22:27.43 | duolljk | ok i disabled hard drive boot but still lilo comes on and boots my partition, is it possible the cd is acting like a boot disk or something? |
| 22:27.46 | Flimzy | DoctaBu: try dselect or aptitude |
| 22:27.53 | DoctaBu | Hold on a sec! :) |
| 22:27.56 | JSIN | ANyone have a good link to a premade sources.list for sarge? |
| 22:28.01 | skelll | that put some problem to compile some programs |
| 22:28.10 | airox | suPHP sais it can't find some file but it doesn't tell which. What could I do to debug ? |
| 22:28.14 | Flimzy | duolljk: no |
| 22:28.20 | duolljk | argh im having a bad day :( |
| 22:28.22 | Bababa | no JSIN shut the hell up and go away! |
| 22:28.24 | airox | It's running from apache so strace is not very nice :( |
| 22:28.27 | Bababa | no JSIN shut the hell up and go away! |
| 22:28.28 | baz | duolljk: no, sounds like your bios is stupid. is there an option 'try other boot devices' still ticked maybe? |
| 22:28.30 | ManStyle-Dingo | does anyone know what package the init.d script for apache2 is in? (which package needs to be removed and reinstalled to replace it to the original) ? |
| 22:28.31 | Flimzy | JSIN: Not really. But it will make one for you when you install. |
| 22:28.41 | airox | ManStyle-Dingo: apache2 itself ? |
| 22:28.43 | duolljk | i dunno, this has worked fine |
| 22:28.44 | DoctaBu | Ok, so, I have this computer. I installed Debian on it. My main problem is is that all the computer has is a wireless card- that's the only way I can connect to the internet. Other than that, the only real input is a CDROM drive... So, I'm trying to get orinoco_cs drivers on it, but I really have NO clue on how to do that. I'm stuck. |
| 22:28.51 | Flimzy | I think I shall google for help with isapnptools. |
| 22:28.52 | ManStyle-Dingo | duolljk: Doesn't look like it |
| 22:28.55 | ansong | DoctaBu, any helpfulness is largely imaginary. i know _i'm_ usually a bastard. |
| 22:28.59 | directhex | !d-i DoctaBu |
| 22:29.00 | dpkg | DoctaBu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:29.06 | duolljk | it booted up the debian 3.0 cd |
| 22:29.11 | duolljk | and all other cds ive tried |
| 22:29.30 | airox | Anyone ? |
| 22:29.30 | duolljk | it pauses saying boot cd then goes on to lilo |
| 22:29.34 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 22:29.35 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:29.38 | Vlat | DoctaBu: which debian ? |
| 22:29.45 | DoctaBu | The newest one :P |
| 22:29.47 | directhex | obviously woody |
| 22:29.48 | DoctaBu | I don't remember the version |
| 22:29.55 | directhex | anyone who says "newest" is using woody |
| 22:29.57 | DoctaBu | woody! that was the name |
| 22:30.01 | skelll | DoctaBu, burn a CD :))) |
| 22:30.06 | directhex | it's part of the brain rot that means you can't handle version numbers |
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| 22:30.10 | Vlat | DoctaBu: stable newest one or unstable newest one ? %) |
| 22:30.10 | DoctaBu | With the driver on it? |
| 22:30.11 | directhex | i'll try again. |
| 22:30.14 | directhex | !d-i DoctaBu |
| 22:30.14 | DoctaBu | Stable, I believe. |
| 22:30.15 | skelll | yes |
| 22:30.15 | dpkg | DoctaBu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:30.25 | duolljk | i did download the right iso? i just downloaded number one , there were a total of 7 cds |
| 22:30.37 | directhex | duolljk, did you have the geforce 4? |
| 22:30.40 | duolljk | yes |
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| 22:30.56 | duolljk | is this one of those things where i needed another cd to support that |
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| 22:31.02 | directhex | duolljk, then _NO_ you got the WRONG one, DIRECTLY against the url i gave |
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| 22:31.19 | directhex | fod FUCKS SAKE< WHY COME HERE FOR SUPPORT IF YOU'RE GONNA FUCKING IGNORE IT |
| 22:31.24 | directhex | FUCKERS |
| 22:31.27 | DoctaBu | :| |
| 22:31.42 | green_earz | DoctaBu: check out the debian sarge net installer and see how thing move on > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050321/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:31.56 | directhex | i find it easier teaching debian to counterstike kids on quakenet, at least they can listen & repeat |
| 22:32.13 | DoctaBu | green_earz, I can't really do that considering I can't connect to the web on the computer |
| 22:32.16 | bocai2015 | what is that meaning for sarge? |
| 22:32.30 | nagual | directhex: i beg the differ. |
| 22:32.44 | skelll | DoctaBu, burn a CD and that is , mount it on your deb and you have the driver |
| 22:32.55 | ansong | DoctaBu, http://www.tomservo.net/etc/bin/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz will get the latest drivers. http://tomservo.net/?p=146 will get you installation instructions. these drivers also include monitor mode |
| 22:33.03 | duolljk | direct ex i went to that page and i clicked the link where it says if you want a newer version |
| 22:33.03 | DoctaBu | hmmm. |
| 22:33.08 | duolljk | thats where i got it from |
| 22:33.08 | DoctaBu | Should I burn these to a CD |
| 22:33.12 | DoctaBu | and just transfer them over |
| 22:33.18 | duolljk | th ats where you told me plz |
| 22:33.20 | DoctaBu | (the orinoco drivers) |
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| 22:33.31 | ansong | DoctaBu, er, are you asking me or someone else? |
| 22:33.40 | skelll | DoctaBu, use you CD as a floppy , a medium |
| 22:33.45 | valdyn | DoctaBu: why dont you do what dpkg said? |
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| 22:34.00 | directhex | duolljk, you downloaded and installed http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 22:34.00 | valdyn | DoctaBu: you just dont look like you want to deal w/ woody |
| 22:34.01 | DoctaBu | I did, valdyn, but I'll let you know that that's really all gibberish to me. |
| 22:34.07 | green_earz | bocai2015: sarge is the name of the next stable release of debian |
| 22:34.11 | directhex | DoctaBu, have you dowbnloaded and burnt http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso yet? |
| 22:34.11 | Chris62vw | one last question (for now hehe) |
| 22:34.16 | Chris62vw | how do I "update" my system? |
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| 22:34.29 | directhex | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:34.31 | Chris62vw | what command should I run periodically so debian and all the packages are updated and replaced with the newest? |
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| 22:34.33 | DoctaBu | it's downloading, directhex |
| 22:34.35 | Chris62vw | thanks directhex, appreciate it |
| 22:34.42 | ansong | Chris62vw, assuming your sources.list is good, do what directhex just said |
| 22:34.43 | bocai2015 | green_earz, thanks |
| 22:34.47 | jclinton | Chris62vw, what directhex said |
| 22:34.50 | Chris62vw | it is; I just updated it :-) |
| 22:34.50 | revelater | perhaps if someone could tell me how to properly install a new kernel?? |
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| 22:35.05 | directhex | revelater, apt-cache search kernel-image, apt-get install one of the results |
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| 22:35.13 | jclinton | revelater, all you have to do is download hte latest kernel-image package |
| 22:35.18 | Flimzy | revelater: read the kernel howto |
| 22:35.19 | valdyn | revelater: apt-get install kernel-image-<of your choice> |
| 22:35.26 | skelll | directhex, why DoctaBu should download the netinstall for putting a driver on his woody ? |
| 22:35.27 | green_earz | bocai2015: the stable release of debian at the moment is called woody, |
| 22:35.32 | Flimzy | revelater: and/or install kernel-package, and read the docs that come with it |
| 22:35.37 | revelater | i know that much, but i get an error at reboot |
| 22:35.43 | DoctaBu | mmm driver on my woody. |
| 22:35.48 | directhex | skelll, because he really doesn't want woody |
| 22:35.56 | DoctaBu | I don't want woody? |
| 22:36.02 | jclinton | revelater, what error? |
| 22:36.03 | duolljk | directhex: i guess i didnt, i followed the link below that one, thanks for the help even though you hate me :( |
| 22:36.04 | baz | DoctaBu: no, you want sarge |
| 22:36.07 | DoctaBu | I want sarge. |
| 22:36.10 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 22:36.11 | directhex | !tell DoctaBu about woody hardware support |
| 22:36.11 | ansong | revelater, here's a link: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 22:36.13 | Flimzy | revelater: Well then why don't you try asking your actual question, instead of something else? |
| 22:36.15 | valdyn | DoctaBu: almost certainly you dont want woody |
| 22:36.17 | baz | DoctaBu: these aren't the droids you're looking for |
| 22:36.19 | directhex | !tell DoctaBu about woody desktop |
| 22:36.24 | DoctaBu | hahaha |
| 22:36.27 | DoctaBu | ahhh! Overwhelmed! :) |
| 22:36.35 | baz | DoctaBu: move along |
| 22:36.40 | jethro | hi |
| 22:36.47 | green_earz | bocai2015: if you are getting to know debian start of on sarge verion |
| 22:36.49 | DoctaBu | This computer (actually a laptop) is quite old. |
| 22:37.00 | revelater | looks something like this: cannot open root device 301 or unkown block (3,1) |
| 22:37.03 | DoctaBu | so, the less power in the OS, the better. |
| 22:37.04 | ansong | DoctaBu, you still want sarge |
| 22:37.13 | DoctaBu | Ok, ok. |
| 22:37.15 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i want to know |
| 22:37.17 | DoctaBu | I'm downloading the netinstall iso |
| 22:37.22 | DoctaBu | HOWEVER, what about getting online? |
| 22:37.22 | revelater | please append a correct "root=" boot opstion |
| 22:37.25 | Flimzy | DoctaBu: how old is it, exactly? |
| 22:37.29 | bocai2015 | i use woody kernel |
| 22:37.35 | DoctaBu | Old. It's a 233MHz with 64MB of ram |
| 22:37.36 | revelater | and tehn it gives me a couple more errors |
| 22:37.37 | jclinton | revelater, and it continues working if you select the older kernel from the boot menu? |
| 22:37.40 | bocai2015 | and testing software |
| 22:37.50 | skelll | revelater: seem a initrd error |
| 22:37.56 | DoctaBu | What I want it for is for just some basic linux stuff |
| 22:37.59 | revelater | no boot menue, i have to reinstall old kernel |
| 22:38.04 | DoctaBu | In addition, I want to run webcam software on it. |
| 22:38.06 | baz | DoctaBu: sarge may support the hardware out of the box - it has much more recent hardware support. if not, then at least you're patching a modern system instead of an obsolete one. |
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| 22:38.16 | DoctaBu | ok. |
| 22:38.21 | skelll | revelater: you should add the initrd in you lilo.conf (i think) |
| 22:38.26 | DoctaBu | so I should basically boot to this CD |
| 22:38.30 | revelater | how do i do that? |
| 22:38.32 | DoctaBu | and install sarge over woody? |
| 22:38.39 | directhex | yes |
| 22:38.42 | jclinton | revelater, what debian are you using? why don't you have a boot menu? how are you reinstalling hte old kernel without access to the system? |
| 22:38.42 | green_earz | bocai2015: have you got dsl connection if so go for a debian sarge net install. download a 110 meg cd install the base from that and the rest over the net |
| 22:38.43 | DoctaBu | You got it. |
| 22:38.45 | ansong | DoctaBu, it's probably the quickest way |
| 22:38.48 | DoctaBu | Ok, that's fine |
| 22:38.53 | DoctaBu | I really didn't do much with woody. |
| 22:38.55 | karsten | DoctaBu: Sarge IMO. |
| 22:38.56 | ferris | is there any other transgaming software out there..... cedega wants $5 bucks a month, I do not wish to spend $60 per year to play my game |
| 22:39.00 | DoctaBu | Will I be able to get a bit of help on the install? |
| 22:39.05 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 753] by debhelper |
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| 22:39.13 | nagual | ferris: they have a cvs thats free |
| 22:39.14 | directhex | ferris, that's for download server access, not for actual use |
| 22:39.16 | Chris62vw | sure, ask questions as they arise |
| 22:39.17 | jclinton | ferris, no, suck it up and pay for it |
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| 22:39.22 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 22:39.23 | baz | DoctaBu: sure, but it's much simpler than the woody installer |
| 22:39.23 | revelater | i installed woody then i did an apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 22:39.27 | DoctaBu | You guys are great |
| 22:39.28 | directhex | ferris, and the cvs _MAY_ compile & run your game (no certs on that, it's stripped pretty bare) |
| 22:39.31 | ansong | DoctaBu, once you get an error message come back and ask |
| 22:39.37 | revelater | then i tried to install a new kernel |
| 22:39.38 | DoctaBu | I have to say, you are by far the nicest Linux help people I have ever met. |
| 22:39.42 | green_earz | bocai2015:http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050321/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso or have a look on ebay for a debian sarge cd set |
| 22:39.47 | DoctaBu | I'm not sure if you will, but I'd take pride in that. |
| 22:39.47 | skelll | revelater: edit your /etc/lilo.conf and look for initrd , and modifie it to fit your actual kernel (that happened me when my SID upgrade the kern) |
| 22:39.53 | bocai2015 | green_earz, can i ugrade to sarge from woody |
| 22:40.02 | directhex | ferris, you only actually NEED to pay for 3 months' access |
| 22:40.07 | directhex | bocai2015, if your networking works |
| 22:40.08 | karsten | On wiki.debian.net, how do I log in? |
| 22:40.12 | Flimzy | Today for some reason I was brainstorming about the possibility of compressed swap space, and thinking that it might improve performance on low memory systems (due to decreased disk I/O). Does anyone know if anything like this has ever actually been tried? |
| 22:40.17 | baz | DoctaBu: it's all about asking the right questions :) |
| 22:40.23 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i am in china ,it is so slow |
| 22:40.24 | skelll | revelater, yes that is so , initrd problem |
| 22:40.24 | DoctaBu | :)_ |
| 22:40.26 | revelater | skelll, there is no initrd in lilo.conf just vmlinuz |
| 22:40.45 | karsten | Flimzy: Swapfile on a compressed disk partition might work. |
| 22:40.51 | skelll | wait i look my lilo.conf |
| 22:40.56 | Flimzy | karsten: yeah, I thought of that |
| 22:41.06 | nagual | Flimzy: you could encrypt it too for speedenhancements |
| 22:41.14 | Flimzy | nagual: Muwahaha |
| 22:41.16 | Flimzy | nagual: :P |
| 22:41.17 | jclinton | Flimzy, it might but it would very hard to choose that method by measuring something and then deciding that that was the more efficient swap method. |
| 22:41.20 | baz | Flimzy: er, won't the compressed filesystem require even more memory overhead? |
| 22:41.24 | karsten | Flimzy: However my understanding of VM is that what happens is that swap is accessed by direct block mapping. This is deterministic if swap is _not_ compressed. It's nondeterministic if you've compressed swap. |
| 22:41.25 | nagual | :P |
| 22:41.26 | bocai2015 | my soundcard is inter 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
| 22:41.28 | ansong | Flimzy, karsten i don't get it. wouldn't the overhead of decompressing the partition make it slower? |
| 22:41.42 | revelater | skelll, please post the lines in flood |
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| 22:41.42 | kenboo | i guess swap is a set of bunch of small chunks....compression might not help |
| 22:41.44 | baz | ansong: ooooh, spooky |
| 22:41.48 | karsten | Flimzy: So you're trading the ability to navigate directly to a given block (with head movement costs) vs. having to sequentially scan swap to get to where you need to go. |
| 22:42.01 | green_earz | bocai2015: you need to first change your apt sauce url from stable or woody it my be to testing or sarge, use apt-setup to edit the urls. |
| 22:42.05 | bocai2015 | what is that meaning 0000:00:if.5 |
| 22:42.13 | Flimzy | karsten: The most effecient way would be to put the compression directly in the swapfs driver. And compress each page/block (whatever the minimum size of accessed swap space is) individually. |
| 22:42.13 | karsten | Flimzy: The alternative would require some sort of indexing scheme, which is either going to cost you memory (in-memory index) or another head movement. |
| 22:42.17 | idnar_ | uhm, anyone familiar with the misdn packages? I'm confused as to whether I want kernel-patch-misdn, misdn-kernel-source, or both... |
| 22:42.18 | ansong | baz, enough, you... |
| 22:42.23 | karsten | Flimzy: RAID's going to be a much bigger win IMO. |
| 22:42.26 | ansong | :) |
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| 22:42.41 | karsten | Flimzy: You *still* need to map the compressed image to disk blocks. |
| 22:42.47 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i know , i had do it ,lol |
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| 22:42.55 | green_earz | bocai2015: and hello china |
| 22:43.00 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i know , i had down it ,lol,thanks |
| 22:43.04 | karsten | ansong: decompression's usually fast. _Compression_ is slow. |
| 22:43.11 | ansong | idnar_, first go get a dsl account |
| 22:43.12 | Flimzy | karsten: If a 2k "page" compresses to 1k, leave the 2nd k empty... so there would be no "space" improvement, just disk I/O improvement |
| 22:43.23 | Flimzy | karsten: RAID on a laptop would probably be rather difficult. |
| 22:43.31 | idnar_ | ansong: huh? |
| 22:43.36 | karsten | Flimzy: That assumes a constant compression ratio. There's no such guarantee. |
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| 22:43.43 | Flimzy | karsten: No. |
| 22:43.50 | ansong | Flimzy, actually sager supposedly sells a laptop with raid 0/1 |
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| 22:43.55 | bocai2015 | my soundcard is inter 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
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| 22:44.09 | zOap | karsten, you from norway, denmark? |
| 22:44.14 | Flimzy | karsten: 2k compressed to 1k would be 1k compressed data + 1k wasted data on the swap partition. |
| 22:44.20 | Chris62vw | Manage CD-ROM devices and mount points with discover? should I say yes? I dont use my cd-rom a whole lot, so... |
| 22:44.21 | karsten | Flimzy: Actually, with disk sizes (physical) shrinking, rudundancy being a win, dual-spindle laptops with some form of RAID may be in the offing. |
| 22:44.26 | karsten | zOap: Not in this life. |
| 22:44.29 | green_earz | bocai2015: use modconf to help install the driver for the card |
| 22:44.31 | Nexus | Ok.. As root, I'm trying to install lynx (it got broken somehow). But when I go to install it says permission denied on some files. Even as root, I can't remove these files... Ideas? |
| 22:44.39 | karsten | zOap: SF, CA, originally. German parentage. |
| 22:44.44 | jclinton | idnar_, ansong is just being an ass |
| 22:44.45 | zOap | karsten, ok, you just had such a scandinavian name |
| 22:44.46 | Flimzy | karsten: If I had a new laptop, I wouldn't be on a low-memory system, would I? :P |
| 22:44.57 | idnar | jclinton: apparently... |
| 22:45.01 | ansong | sorry! |
| 22:45.03 | zOap | karsten, German is nice, lovely country |
| 22:45.07 | bocai2015 | green_earz, can you let me understand this sentence 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
| 22:45.14 | karsten | Flimzy: Ah. So you're going to live with a lot of wasted blocks. |
| 22:45.29 | Flimzy | bocai2015: It means you havea Multimedia audio controller made by Intel Corp using an 82801BA chipset |
| 22:45.34 | karsten | Flimzy: There's the additional problem that compression may result in > than uncompressed storage. |
| 22:45.37 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i had done |
| 22:45.38 | Flimzy | karsten: Sure. The goal is to improve disk I/O, not disk usage. |
| 22:45.47 | jclinton | bocai2015, what's to understand? that's the address on the PCI bus of your audio controller |
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| 22:45.49 | Taraxacum | hey hey |
| 22:45.51 | JSIN | What is the X server proper name for apt repos |
| 22:45.53 | Nexus | Anyone know a good reason why root wouldn't be able to delete files? |
| 22:45.54 | JSIN | on debian.org |
| 22:45.56 | karsten | zOap: Great beer, scary roads, too many smokers, no drinking water. |
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| 22:46.10 | Taraxacum | how do i change neyboard settings in xwindows_ |
| 22:46.13 | DoctaBu | Ok! Error while trying to install sarge... |
| 22:46.17 | Taraxacum | keyboard |
| 22:46.21 | bocai2015 | green_earz, i810_audio 21248 1 |
| 22:46.21 | bocai2015 | ac97_codec 9568 0 [i810_audio] |
| 22:46.21 | bocai2015 | soundcore 3204 2 [i810_audio] |
| 22:46.23 | DoctaBu | It says that it cant read the data from my CDROM |
| 22:46.25 | Flimzy | karsten: Then keep the uncompressed version in memory before swapping the page.. if compressed size > original size, swap the original page |
| 22:46.26 | zOap | karsten, yeah, that's sums it up quite nice:) |
| 22:46.28 | drac | !drxx Taraxacum |
| 22:46.28 | karsten | Taraxacum: Howso? xmodmap. xkeycaps. |
| 22:46.29 | dpkg | Taraxacum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:46.40 | green_earz | Nexus: because they are in use, may be |
| 22:46.42 | zOap | that , not that's---- |
| 22:46.46 | Vlat | Taraxacum: edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:46.53 | Taraxacum | thanks |
| 22:46.59 | jclinton | DoctaBu, put the CDROM in the first CD drive in your IDE bus chain |
| 22:47.01 | calmar | there isn't someone who knows hot to get libdockapp.so.1, is there? if, then how? I need it for wmail (what is not in e.g aptitude) |
| 22:47.07 | karsten | Flimzy: That _could_ give you some wins. The problem though is that compression is a real win on write-once-read-many data. Swap is inherently write-once, read once-or-never. |
| 22:47.09 | Flimzy | Nexus: B/c write mode is disabled. B/c it's a read-only filesystem. Because the directory isn't empty. B/c it's a directory, and you're using rm... there are amny reasons. Try looking at the error message for clues. |
| 22:47.12 | karsten | zOap: ;-) |
| 22:47.15 | bocai2015 | jclinton, i intall alsa ,but it can not find my soundcard |
| 22:47.19 | nagual | calmar: apt-file search |
| 22:47.23 | Vlat | calmar: packages.debian.org |
| 22:47.31 | DoctaBu | I only have one CDROM drive, jclinton. |
| 22:47.34 | jclinton | calmar, packages.debian.org search |
| 22:47.41 | DoctaBu | and it clearly works considering I booted to it. |
| 22:47.49 | Flimzy | karsten: A compression algorythm would have to be carefully chosen |
| 22:47.50 | karsten | Flimzy: And I've rarely seen a low-memory system that had tons of CPU to spare ;-) |
| 22:47.55 | jclinton | DoctaBu, then your CDROM drive is unsupported |
| 22:47.59 | Flimzy | karsten: Well I have 96mb RAM on a P233. |
| 22:48.02 | karsten | Flimzy: Rather. |
| 22:48.02 | calmar | I search, thanks guys and/or girls.. |
| 22:48.05 | calmar | :) |
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| 22:48.18 | Flimzy | karsten: I suspect a quick compression algorythm could be faster than my HD I/O |
| 22:48.19 | karsten | Flimzy: Is 96 MB system max? |
| 22:48.21 | Taraxacum | hmm it uses the us keyboard but i got swedish choosen >* |
| 22:48.22 | distempr | if using xfce... ehhm... how do I take a screenie? |
| 22:48.25 | bocai2015 | jclinton, i intall alsa ,but it can not find my soundcard |
| 22:48.26 | Flimzy | karsten: No, I could probably get more RAM. |
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| 22:48.34 | DoctaBu | Are you sure, jclinton? I've used it for other software... I installed woody using this very same cdrom drive |
| 22:48.37 | Flimzy | karsten: Probably maxes at 128 or 256. |
| 22:48.47 | bocai2015 | ac97_codec 9568 0 [i810_audio] |
| 22:48.50 | jclinton | bocai2015, what does that have to do with that PCI address? |
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| 22:48.56 | Vlat | bocai2015: try OSS :) |
| 22:49.01 | Flimzy | karsten: Perhaps I could install Win 3.1 and RamDoubler, to compress my actual RAM! :P |
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| 22:49.03 | karsten | Flimzy: That's likely going to give you a much higher ROI than new swap driver development. But, hey, if you want to do it ;-) |
| 22:49.16 | Flimzy | karsten: hehe |
| 22:49.18 | green_earz | bocai2015: check out the link it may be of help > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 22:49.29 | Taraxacum | if its not in the xf86 config file, where can the problem be then? |
| 22:49.30 | karsten | Flimzy: Y'know, I hear win3.1 has less overhead than Linux ;-) |
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| 22:49.33 | bocai2015 | Vladi, jclinton ,can not modproe OSS |
| 22:49.34 | directhex | Vlat, that IS oss |
| 22:49.36 | Flimzy | karsten: tehehe |
| 22:49.45 | bocai2015 | my kernel is bf2.4.18 |
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| 22:49.48 | Vlat | bocai2015: modprobe snd-intel8x0 will do a trick |
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| 22:49.52 | karsten | Flimzy: Now, can you get that to run in dosemu or Wine so Linux can benefit by it? |
| 22:50.04 | jclinton | DoctaBu, only you know what kind of a CDROM drive you have. if it doesn't find it automatically then it's unsupported. However, you may be able to manually load the driver |
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| 22:50.11 | Flimzy | karsten: I need a Win16 version of BOCHS, so I can run Linux in emulation :P |
| 22:50.14 | karsten | bocai2015: Install a real kernel. That's an installation kernel, you're going to want one that's updated and addresses a number of security concerns. |
| 22:50.17 | edgar | hola gente |
| 22:50.18 | jclinton | DoctaBu, find out what the drive is and then look up the driver |
| 22:50.18 | bocai2015 | Vladi, thanks ,let me try |
| 22:50.27 | Vlat | bocai2015: and don't forget to adjust playback levels, they're on zero by default |
| 22:50.36 | edgar | hi peaple |
| 22:50.41 | karsten | Flimzy: You're a sick puppy. |
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| 22:50.54 | bocai2015 | karsten, i don't know how to build kernel , you know i am newbie |
| 22:50.58 | DoctaBu | You know what, maybe it's the CD. I found it laying around; it's my last CD I have. |
| 22:50.58 | Nexus | Flimzy, Well, I can get in the directory, but the files are still not viewable. I tried doing a chmod -R 777 *and it's not allowing for it. |
| 22:51.02 | Flimzy | karsten: So anyway, going back to the quick-n-dirty idea of swap file on a compressed partition... I'm thinking that would probably hurt performance ultimately. |
| 22:51.04 | DoctaBu | I think I'm gonna go out and go buy some more |
| 22:51.13 | karsten | bocai2015: You can install 'em. |
| 22:51.16 | Flimzy | Nexus: not viewable? What are you talking about? |
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| 22:51.33 | karsten | bocai2015: What's your CPU type? Intel, AMD, other? Which rev? |
| 22:51.33 | jclinton | bocai2015, you don't have to build your own on debian; just upgrade your system |
| 22:51.46 | karsten | Flimzy: Yeah, I've been trying to sell you on that ;-) |
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| 22:51.54 | bocai2015 | karsten, i must reading more artice then i can install a real kernel ,that is a good idea ,:) |
| 22:52.00 | Nexus | Flimzy, Sorry, I can't view the files in a directory, and I can't delete them, and I can't chmod them. Log files aren't showing me anything. |
| 22:52.05 | calmar | I found it in stable. I had only testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:52.22 | karsten | Flimzy: Negative performance impacts in general, small likely benefitted community, and far more effective ways to get a win. |
| 22:52.49 | Flimzy | karsten: There's just too many driver layers there. If there was to be any speed improvement, it compression would have to be at a lower level, methinks |
| 22:52.49 | Flimzy | Nexus: What's the error? |
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| 22:53.04 | karsten | Flimzy: If you can boost yourself over the ram threshold leading to excess swappage, you're going to see ~1k system performance improvement (win of RAM over disk) rather than a small-n win for faster swap. |
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| 22:53.31 | revelater | ummm.... problem.... |
| 22:53.31 | bocai2015 | Karsten ,Intel Corp. 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory |
| 22:53.31 | Raenius | Hello, everyone.. what's the easiest way to restore lilo if you can't boot? and the default rescue cd doesn't see your raid setup? |
| 22:53.48 | Nexus | Flimzy, ellis:/usr/share/doc/lynx/lynx_help/keystrokes# rm -rf * |
| 22:53.49 | Nexus | rm: cannot remove `alt_edit_help.html': Permission denied |
| 22:53.51 | revelater | i don't seem to have initrd.img or vmlinuz.old |
| 22:54.06 | Nexus | I chmod'd the directory to be 777. Trying to chmod recursively says permission denied. |
| 22:54.10 | Vlat | Raenius: low level disk editor |
| 22:54.11 | bocai2015 | jclinton, i upgreade one time ,but the soundcard failed also |
| 22:54.14 | jclinton | Raenius, there's no RAID setup to 'see' ... the rescue CD must be told where your RAID is manually |
| 22:54.15 | karsten | Flimzy: If your total gain is decreased IO, there's no CPU penalty, and you get 90% compression (possible on highly redundant data structures), you're still only talking a 10x win for improved swap handling. 10x vs. 1000x is sort of a no-brainer. |
| 22:54.21 | karsten | bocai2015: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:54.27 | Vlat | Radiance: if you have not MBR backup |
| 22:54.31 | Nexus | While the server was trying to update lynx, this problem caused a kernel panic. |
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| 22:54.44 | karsten | bocai2015: You're looking for vendor_id and model_name. |
| 22:54.51 | bocai2015 | i intall with network at first ,it is kernel 2.2.12 ,shit |
| 22:54.59 | Raenius | oh.. :( running setup seems to work and I can mount the drives then manually run lilo but that doesn't seem to be working either.. :( |
| 22:55.00 | karsten | bocai2015: 'grep model_name /proc/cpuinfo' Paste here. |
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| 22:55.11 | directhex | bocai2015, 2.2.20 on woody |
| 22:55.17 | karsten | bocai2015: Yes, that's the stock install kernel. |
| 22:55.26 | Award | Just to touble-check my syntax before I do it, the correct command for changing (and wiping) an existing fat partition and changing it to ext3 is "mke2fs -j /dev/sd[index]" correct? |
| 22:55.40 | Vlat | Raenius: edit lilo.conf to point to correct slice/partition/drive |
| 22:55.47 | Vlat | Raenius: then run lilo |
| 22:55.49 | bocai2015 | karsten ,i cut in #flood about my cpu type |
| 22:55.49 | jclinton | Award, correct |
| 22:55.51 | ansong | Award, if you've got SCSI, then yes |
| 22:55.52 | Flimzy | karsten: Yah... however, the general overhead would only be noticed when swap is actually used, right? (at least CPU-wise... having the compressed-swap driver in memory will be a constant slight memory usage) |
| 22:56.03 | deadcat | Award: mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:56.26 | Flimzy | karsten: So even on systems with large amounts of RAM, the 10x improvement would still be possible for swap operations, with little or no real penalty to non-swap operations |
| 22:56.26 | bocai2015 | directhex, en ,2.2.20 ,i forget it |
| 22:56.29 | Taraxacum | why have insmod changed from what it was? cause it's harder to use now then before |
| 22:56.40 | jclinton | deadcat, synonym |
| 22:56.46 | bocai2015 | karsten, come in #flood ,i cut my cpu type ,help me |
| 22:56.56 | bocai2015 | processor : 0 |
| 22:56.58 | karsten | bocai2015: Got it. You've got a P6. |
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| 22:56.59 | bocai2015 | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 22:56.59 | bocai2015 | cpu family : 6 |
| 22:56.59 | bocai2015 | model : 11 |
| 22:56.59 | bocai2015 | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1200MHz |
| 22:56.59 | ravenbird | ROOOT has landed! |
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| 22:57.08 | Eclipser | :D |
| 22:57.15 | deadcat | bah. celeron. you deserve to be kicked |
| 22:57.17 | Vlat | Cel 1200.... |
| 22:57.24 | Vlat | ehh |
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| 22:57.34 | jclinton | lol |
| 22:57.40 | bocai2015 | why? |
| 22:57.48 | karsten | bocai2015: erm. P4. |
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| 22:58.02 | bocai2015 | karsten, i but here , be ban |
| 22:58.03 | Vlat | bocai2015: topic :) use #flood for LONG messages :) |
| 22:58.03 | Flimzy | karsten: OTOH, even if 90% compression were possible, that would mean that a swap operation would read 1/10th of every block... but the head would probably still traverse over the unread blocks (using the method I suggested). |
| 22:58.11 | karsten | bocai2015: do you have aptitude installed? |
| 22:58.17 | Flimzy | karsten: Which would probably result in very little, if any, real improvement in r/w operations |
| 22:58.23 | karsten | bocai2015: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:58.32 | bocai2015 | karsten ,yeah ,i have |
| 22:58.38 | calmar | When I found that server: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ from here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ how would I correctly include that into /etc/apt/sources.list? any hint? |
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| 22:58.45 | Vlat | bocai2015: in any case you're use 2.2.x kernel. The solution i said will work on 2.4+ kernels |
| 22:58.48 | karsten | Flimzy: Thank you for seeing things my way ;-) |
| 22:59.05 | Raenius | Vlat: Thanks. Ok say the raid during setup is on /dev/ida/c1d0 I have a boot partition on /dev/ida/c1dop1 and root on /dev/ida/c1d0p3 why would lilo always want to default to /dev/ida/c0d0 for installing? |
| 22:59.08 | Flimzy | karsten: okay. Well it was an interesting thought experiment :) Now back to trying to make my darn sound card work. hehe |
| 22:59.13 | bocai2015 | kernel-image-2.6-386 or kernel-image-2.6.386???? |
| 22:59.17 | karsten | Flimzy: Factor in the CPU overhead, head seek, likely less compression, etc, and you're going to lose more. |
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| 22:59.33 | karsten | Flimzy: Yeah. It's also a good illustration of back-of-the-envelope calculation of benefits. |
| 22:59.36 | Vlat | bocai2015: it's a time to do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-10-686 |
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| 22:59.49 | karsten | Flimzy: IMO, it was a flimzy proposition from the start. |
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| 22:59.59 | karsten | bocai2015: 686 |
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| 23:00.06 | Flimzy | karsten: I suspected as much... but thought it would be worth kicking around for a few minutes. |
| 23:00.12 | bocai2015 | what that meaning 686? |
| 23:00.21 | karsten | bocai2015: The 686 kernels have optimizations for PII and better processors. 383 lacks a lot of that. |
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| 23:00.26 | green_earz | calmar: have you run apt-setup to pick a debian http mirror ? or use apt-setup to edit apt sauces list |
| 23:00.30 | Vlat | bocai2015: Pentium machines optimized |
| 23:00.38 | sam_mason | Hi, any hints on installing Debian on a system without a floppy or CD drive? |
| 23:00.45 | Flimzy | So does anyone have any pointers on getting pnpdump to detect a ISA PnP sound card with CS4237B chipset? |
| 23:00.45 | karsten | bocai2015: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:00.59 | karsten | Flimzy: GIYF. |
| 23:01.04 | Chris62vw | xfree86-common is installed but how do I run X? thanks |
| 23:01.15 | Flimzy | karsten: GIYF? |
| 23:01.19 | bocai2015 | karsten ,thanks a lot |
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| 23:01.32 | Eclipser | karsten, huh?-p |
| 23:01.33 | karsten | Chris62vw: 'X', 'startx', or install [gkwxp]dm |
| 23:01.42 | zOap | kde people: I have used superkaramba and I'm very pleased with it, the thing is that I actually like Gnome better, but I really hate the gdesklets, karamba is so much better. The problem is that superkaramba won't use the wallpaper in Gnome, but uses some sort of other background color. Anyone know a way around this? |
| 23:01.42 | bocai2015 | if i install it can i have sound ? |
| 23:01.46 | Vlat | sam_mason: ethernet card with BOOTP |
| 23:01.54 | karsten | Eclipser: To clean your drives. I'll hand you a jar of navel jelly too.... |
| 23:01.59 | Chris62vw | karsten, hmm neither work and I haven't an /usr/bin/X11 either. what's up with that? hmm |
| 23:02.00 | karsten | !tell Flimzy about GIYF |
| 23:02.06 | Eclipser | karsten, o.O; |
| 23:02.13 | calmar | green_earz: I check, thanks |
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| 23:02.13 | karsten | Chris62vw: Um. You need the server. |
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| 23:02.18 | Vlat | bocai2015: You will have a sound |
| 23:02.22 | sam_mason | Vlat; I was wanting to install it from "inside" another linux install |
| 23:02.27 | Flimzy | karsten: Ah... yeah. Google doesn't know jack about that :) |
| 23:02.27 | karsten | !tell Chris62vw about install x |
| 23:02.28 | Chris62vw | karsten, right. I thought that was what xfree86-common was |
| 23:02.30 | Chris62vw | thanks karsten |
| 23:02.31 | green_earz | Chris62vw: for a xserver atp-get install x-window-system-core and the what desktop you need |
| 23:02.39 | karsten | Chris62vw: apt-cache show xfree86-common |
| 23:02.40 | Chris62vw | thanks green_earz |
| 23:02.45 | green_earz | np |
| 23:02.58 | sam_mason | Vlat; not sure how easily that would work though. . . |
| 23:03.33 | bocai2015 | Vlat ,why don't you know i can install 686 ? |
| 23:03.33 | Vlat | sam_mason: erm...edit /etc/apt/apt.sources, then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade, if i understood your right |
| 23:03.33 | karsten | Chris62vw: "-common" is generally files/configs common to a set of stuff. X is a client-server model facility, meaning you can install clients (apps that run on X) *OR* server (the actual X graphical system) seperately. Or both. |
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| 23:03.50 | bocai2015 | cpu family 6 ??? |
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| 23:03.52 | Vlat | bocai2015: look, you can install either -386...but in this case the system will be slower |
| 23:03.52 | green_earz | Chris62vw: for kde apt-get install kde-core which is a cut down install of kde. for the full kde apt-get install kde |
| 23:03.57 | karsten | Flimzy: I hate PNP.... |
| 23:04.01 | sam_mason | Vlat; I haven't got any sort of Debian installed |
| 23:04.23 | elnovato | hello commonists |
| 23:04.26 | Flimzy | karsten: yeah, me too. |
| 23:04.39 | karsten | elnovato: No, no, no: Debianistas. |
| 23:04.39 | Chris62vw | green_earz, I'm going to install flux :-) |
| 23:04.42 | sam_mason | Vlat; I was hoping to be able to extract some sort of image into a partition, chroot into it, then start the install program. . . |
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| 23:04.51 | karsten | Flimzy: http://www.google.com/search?q=CS4237B+isapnp |
| 23:05.02 | bocai2015 | how to know i can install 686 ,Vlat ,tell me ok? |
| 23:05.03 | Chris62vw | karsten, interesting. thanks, I was wondering what the "common" part implied |
| 23:05.10 | karsten | Flimzy: What's your kit? |
| 23:05.12 | bocai2015 | Vlat, i am water |
| 23:05.18 | karsten | Chris62vw: Commonality ;-) |
| 23:05.20 | elnovato | hehe |
| 23:05.23 | bocai2015 | Vlat, i am water bird |
| 23:05.24 | Vlat | sam_mason: download bootable debian floppies, mount them somewhere and run install script |
| 23:05.29 | karsten | bocai2015: aptitude install <package> |
| 23:05.32 | Chris62vw | hehe |
| 23:05.48 | Vlat | bocai2015: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-10-686 |
| 23:05.55 | karsten | bocai2015: If that says "command not found", then try "apt-get install <package>" |
| 23:05.59 | Flimzy | karsten: my kit? |
| 23:06.00 | green_earz | Chris62vw: after you got xserver up and runing i would say. and do you know what the refresh rates are for the monitor, it any to know |
| 23:06.04 | karsten | !tell bocai2015 about aptitude |
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| 23:06.13 | karsten | Flimzy: What kind of box? Laptop, right? Thinkpad or other? |
| 23:06.24 | bocai2015 | Vlat ,i know how to install ,i want to know why do you know i can install 686 not 383 |
| 23:06.24 | sam_mason | vlat: I guess. . . it's not likely to trash anything else in the system is it? |
| 23:06.39 | Vlat | sam_mason: it depends |
| 23:06.54 | drac | bocai2015: Because Celeron is 686? |
| 23:06.58 | Flimzy | karsten: Dell Latitude CP M233XT |
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| 23:07.02 | Chris62vw | green_earz, gentoo is setup at home. I'm at the office but this box will be my home box. I'll be able to figure it out once I get home. actually, the rates are on the monitor too |
| 23:07.11 | Vlat | sam_mason: debian will work in this case, but you'll have a LOOOOT of garbage from previous system |
| 23:07.19 | karsten | Flimzy: ...though I suspect isapnp is a red herring. Try just searching '<card spec> debian sound' |
| 23:07.29 | bocai2015 | cpu family 6 ===celeron is 686??? |
| 23:07.41 | green_earz | Chris62vw: are you runing sarge or woody ? |
| 23:07.45 | drac | bocai2015: Yes, Celeron is 686. |
| 23:07.46 | karsten | sam_mason: Chroot install? |
| 23:07.46 | Vlat | sam_mason: or just install deb on another partition, if you have some free unpartitioned space |
| 23:07.48 | Chris62vw | green_earz, sarge |
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| 23:07.58 | karsten | Vlat: Depends on how he runs the install. |
| 23:07.59 | green_earz | Chris62vw: nice one |
| 23:08.03 | sam_mason | Vlat: that's what I was going to do |
| 23:08.11 | bocai2015 | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1200MHz |
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| 23:08.14 | alice|wl | hello, where can I download a woody image with gdth-raid support ? |
| 23:08.15 | sam_mason | Vlat: install it into another partition i mean |
| 23:08.15 | iiiclaw | hmmmm, a 404 file not found, message just scrolled by on my jigdo download... -_-; hope that doesnt cause me trouble later |
| 23:08.25 | karsten | sam_mason: FWIW, I wrote the docs on chroot install. Suggest you read 'em for a start. |
| 23:08.29 | Flimzy | karsten: I've tried many similar searches (probably that exact one). I have yet to find anything that's acutally _useful_. |
| 23:08.30 | Vlat | sam_mason: deb installer will ask you about partitioning |
| 23:08.32 | Ralphie | Just a quick one guys - how do I unrar a file in Debian> |
| 23:08.37 | drac | bocai2015: Jesus christ. Install the kernel allready. Yes, you have 686, Celeron, 686, Celeron. |
| 23:08.43 | sam_mason | karsten: where are they? :) |
| 23:08.48 | green_earz | Chris62vw: and all the best to free open sauce software to you |
| 23:08.49 | jp- | apt-get install rar; rar x foo.rar |
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| 23:08.53 | karsten | sam_mason: google 'debian chroot install' |
| 23:08.57 | travisat | Ralphie: install unrar-non-free, not rar |
| 23:08.59 | karsten | sam_mason: ...or read the damned installation manual |
| 23:09.06 | Vlat | Ralphie: apt-get install unrar |
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| 23:09.10 | Vlat | Ralphie: unrar <file> |
| 23:09.19 | karsten | sam_mason: woody or sarge install? |
| 23:09.24 | bocai2015 | drac karsten Vlat ,thanks guys ,i love you |
| 23:09.31 | karsten | bocai2015: Heh. |
| 23:09.36 | sam_mason | karsten: I couldn't find much in the installation manual |
| 23:09.37 | Chris62vw | green_earz, thanks! it's fun so far |
| 23:09.57 | karsten | sam_mason: Which release are you installing / are you thinking of installing? I'd recommend 'sarge'. |
| 23:10.06 | green_earz | Chris62vw: and it will only get better, |
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| 23:10.29 | karsten | sam_mason: My docs (mostly potato/woody): http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 23:10.41 | sam_mason | karsten: I'm a bit green when it comes to Debian versions. . . |
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| 23:10.55 | karsten | sam_mason: Official woody chroot install: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade |
| 23:11.16 | Ramonskie | how can i install tomcat under debian sarge is there an deb file or is there some website that tels you how?? plz help |
| 23:11.33 | drac | Ramonskie: apt-cache search tomcat |
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| 23:11.39 | sam_mason | karsten: ok, thanks for the pointers |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | tomcat4 iirc |
| 23:11.50 | sam_mason | karsten: I'll play for a while. . . |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | and you will need java-package .. or risk using kaffe |
| 23:11.53 | Taraxacum | what command to insert a module? |
| 23:11.53 | karsten | sam_mason: sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apcs04.html |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 23:12.02 | green_earz | Chris62vw: and when the desktop up and ok install bittornado-gui for all you goodies |
| 23:12.06 | Flimzy | pnpdump always complains about 1/3 thru "REALTIME opearation timeout exceeded"... is that a bad thing? |
| 23:12.10 | karsten | sam_mason: What's your kit running right now? |
| 23:12.11 | Ramonskie | drac: it doenst find tomcat i already tried that |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | !info tomcat4 sarge |
| 23:12.21 | dpkg | tomcat4: (Java Servlet 2.3 engine with JSP 1.2 support), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 4.1.31-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | yay |
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| 23:12.40 | sam_mason | karsten: gentoo |
| 23:12.49 | karsten | sam_mason: How much free space? |
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| 23:13.13 | Vlat | 90% of problems are coming from apt* tools (mis)understanding. maybe we should write apt FAQ and place url in the topic ? %) |
| 23:13.13 | sam_mason | karsten: a few gigs, enough for a basic install. |
| 23:13.20 | Chris62vw | green_earz, like what goodies? |
| 23:13.23 | sam_mason | karsten: I can then free up more space |
| 23:13.56 | karsten | sam_mason: 250 MB is more than enough to strt |
| 23:14.25 | green_earz | Chris62vw: and for a bit of net radio streamtuner, ho goodies > bittorrents |
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| 23:14.36 | Chris62vw | cool |
| 23:14.43 | Ramonskie | !info tomcat4 sarge |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | tomcat4: (Java Servlet 2.3 engine with JSP 1.2 support), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 4.1.31-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 23:14.52 | dpkg | contrib is, like, debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 23:14.53 | Vlat | sam_mason: IMHO forget about dselect, base install take about 50mb... if you don't need certain things you can fit it to 20mb |
| 23:15.09 | sam_mason | karsten: OK, that's a lot less than I've given it |
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| 23:15.44 | karsten | sam_mason: Yeah. More won't hurt. |
| 23:15.47 | bocai2015 | give some site about base hardware ,thanks ,i use google but can not find some nice site ,i am in china |
| 23:15.54 | Vlat | if you're extreme guy, you can fit everything you need in 15mb... but it's a bit extreme |
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| 23:16.11 | karsten | sam_mason: Read the following docs. Basically what you need is debootstrap and an understanding of what you're going to be doing. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apcs04.html |
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| 23:16.28 | Vlat | bocai2015: unfotently there is no "base hardware" nowadays |
| 23:16.32 | green_earz | bocai2015: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 23:16.34 | sam_mason | really should go; my girlfriend has just called me and is after attention. I'll try and catch up when I get back. . . |
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| 23:17.19 | iiiclaw | ::sigh:: |
| 23:17.32 | karsten | sam_mason: What you're going to be doing is: 1. dealing with partitioning. 2. running with debootstrap. 3. running base-config. 4. manually configuring your /etc/fstab, hostname, keyboard, networking, timezone, locale, and bootloader. |
| 23:17.33 | Ramonskie | humm what link do i need to put in the source list to get tomcat4 then or on what site can i look this up "sorry i'm a noob" |
| 23:17.39 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 23:17.39 | dpkg | i guess contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 23:17.40 | karsten | sam_mason: NP. |
| 23:17.48 | Vlat | (Girlfriend) LINUX - Error 161 - Type incompatible |
| 23:17.50 | Vlat | %) |
| 23:17.58 | karsten | Vlat: If you're *really* extreme, you can get it to 1.7 MB. |
| 23:17.59 | Elysium_ | what's the command update the list of available modules? |
| 23:18.09 | bocai2015 | thanks so much everybody |
| 23:18.22 | karsten | Elysium_: s/modules/packages/ : aptitude update |
| 23:18.26 | iiiclaw | vlat: lol |
| 23:18.27 | bocai2015 | if you know about china ,you can find me |
| 23:18.29 | Vlat | karsten: i'm a really extreme, i fit it in 1.2 mb, w/o network tools |
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| 23:18.54 | bocai2015 | my msn is bocai2015@hotmail.com |
| 23:18.54 | karsten | Vlat: Heh. |
| 23:19.00 | doobeh | can anyone think why copying files over to my usb2.0 hdd is so so, it'll do 100megs then just stall |
| 23:19.06 | iiiclaw | hmmm that makes linux compatible... |
| 23:19.10 | doobeh | the usb2.0 hdd is fat32 formatted |
| 23:19.20 | doobeh | so/slow |
| 23:19.20 | Vlat | karsten: there's no linux, there's a kernel. it can be 50kb :) but w/o apps it's nothing |
| 23:19.31 | Vlat | karsten: at least the sh |
| 23:19.50 | Chris62vw | well green_earz, karsten, that was easier than I thought. X + flux is running like a champ. thanks for all the help! :-) |
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| 23:20.02 | travisat | err linux is the kernel |
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| 23:20.28 | karsten | Vlat: sash & busybox would be about the minimum. |
| 23:20.35 | Vlat | HURD can be 10kb :) |
| 23:20.41 | karsten | Vlat: Maybe dash or ash. |
| 23:20.50 | Vlat | and 500kb for networking support |
| 23:20.56 | Vlat | tcp/ip only |
| 23:21.18 | JSIN | What is the debian repository...that will have mplayer. |
| 23:21.25 | JSIN | Start with an m |
| 23:21.25 | caphuso | JSIN: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | !tell jsin about marillat |
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| 23:21.30 | JSIN | thanks |
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| 23:21.44 | travisat | mplayer sucks |
| 23:21.51 | Vlat | agree |
| 23:21.58 | Vlat | xine is better imho |
| 23:21.58 | JSIN | It will have it for sarge/testing? |
| 23:21.58 | latinboy_webcam | :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com |
| 23:22.02 | travisat | xine sucks |
| 23:22.02 | JSIN | xine sucks dick |
| 23:22.10 | JSIN | mplayer is good |
| 23:22.10 | travisat | vlc rulez!!! |
| 23:22.12 | latinboy_webcam | one help in where am me? |
| 23:22.23 | JSIN | wo wo wo |
| 23:22.34 | latinboy_webcam | :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/ :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com |
| 23:22.34 | JSIN | ok i just came back and took the comp back from john here |
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| 23:22.44 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@201.240.51.42] by caphuso |
| 23:22.45 | JSIN | Who the fuk sez xine ins better that mplaye? |
| 23:22.46 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
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| 23:22.51 | elshaa | hello |
| 23:22.51 | JSIN | oops brb |
| 23:22.52 | caphuso | JSIN: xine users |
| 23:22.55 | JSIN | ugh! |
| 23:22.57 | Vlat | no. xine is GOOD. you just can't cook it right :) |
| 23:22.59 | JSIN | double ugh! |
| 23:23.03 | JSIN | oh man |
| 23:23.03 | elshaa | can someone try http://elshaa.ath.cx please ? |
| 23:23.14 | JSIN | one sec brb |
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| 23:23.20 | caphuso | elshaa: apache powered webserver |
| 23:23.29 | abrotman | what fucking idiot types shit like that? |
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| 23:23.34 | abrotman | and likes mplayer? |
| 23:23.41 | Vlat | elshaa: yes, it's apache |
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| 23:23.56 | baz | dang, I hate it when that happens |
| 23:23.58 | elshaa | thanks all |
| 23:24.04 | baz | abrotman: what did I miss? :) |
| 23:24.04 | JSIN | ok hi |
| 23:24.05 | travisat | abrotman: somebody with exlosive diharrea maybe |
| 23:24.13 | JSIN | yeah so johns yelling at me for my flaming |
| 23:24.15 | JSIN | of xine |
| 23:24.20 | JSIN | but seriously |
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| 23:24.29 | JSIN | i despise xine in favor of mplayer |
| 23:24.36 | caphuso | ~tell JSIN -about enter |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | JSIN: but who cares? |
| 23:24.56 | JSIN | fair enough |
| 23:25.17 | Vlat | in any case, hardware divx player is the best |
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| 23:25.49 | majortool | anyone know where i can get a copy of the .config file for the sarge installation kernel? |
| 23:26.16 | JSIN | ok john telling me im embarrasing myself so im turning the comp over to him again |
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| 23:26.32 | JSIN | sorry guys but xine? sheesh |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | JSIN: but who cares? |
| 23:26.44 | majortool | actually anyone know where i can find the .config file that was used to compile the default 2.6 debian kernel |
| 23:26.48 | JSIN | hmmmm....good point |
| 23:26.48 | majortool | ? |
| 23:26.56 | travisat | majortool: /boot |
| 23:27.12 | majortool | travisat: the config file is there? |
| 23:27.22 | travisat | if you installed the default kernel |
| 23:27.22 | Vlat | JSIN: pheh :) it works ? works ! then what's the prob ? :)) |
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| 23:27.34 | karsten | JSIN: Mind stop making an ass of yourself? If you don't like it, don't install it. Get over it. |
| 23:27.37 | majortool | travisat: ill check ... thanx |
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| 23:28.07 | JSIN | ok ok |
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| 23:28.25 | abrotman | i heard mplayer is used by third graders!!!!?!?!?111 |
| 23:28.34 | JSIN | ACk! how did you know! |
| 23:28.41 | JSIN | get outta mah head! |
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| 23:28.45 | baz | abrotman: but third graders SUCK!!!!??!!!ELEVENTYONE |
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| 23:29.52 | travisat | !!!!!!!!!!!eleven |
| 23:29.59 | Vlat | 42 |
| 23:30.13 | tony_ | beep-media-player works better than mplayer IMHO |
| 23:30.34 | Vlat | in 1998 i guess there was something like maplayer |
| 23:30.49 | Flimzy | Hmm.. well I got the OSS driver to at least _load_. But I don't get anything from the speaker |
| 23:30.53 | Vlat | (not mplayer) it was commercial and it worked so-so |
| 23:30.57 | baz | Flimzy: mixer? |
| 23:31.07 | Vlat | but there was not xine, neither mplayer |
| 23:31.10 | travisat | Vlat: vlc? |
| 23:31.11 | JSIN | Vlat what do you mean? |
| 23:31.18 | Flimzy | baz: volume is all the way up |
| 23:31.19 | travisat | video lan client |
| 23:31.22 | Vlat | but everybody was happy and used it :) |
| 23:31.50 | bocai2015 | err====etc??? |
| 23:31.50 | Vlat | oh, sorry |
| 23:31.56 | Vlat | MPEGTV it called |
| 23:32.00 | travisat | ahhh |
| 23:32.15 | Flimzy | ooh |
| 23:32.16 | Flimzy | it works now! |
| 23:32.20 | baz | Flimzy: cool! |
| 23:32.21 | Flimzy | wooo |
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| 23:32.27 | Flimzy | Only OSS |
| 23:32.29 | Flimzy | but that's okay |
| 23:32.34 | baz | Flimzy: it's a start |
| 23:32.35 | Flimzy | I've never gotten ALSA To work on any other systems, either |
| 23:32.37 | Flimzy | so why do I care? |
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| 23:32.37 | Flimzy | heh |
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| 23:32.56 | jan__ | Hmm, can a user with /bin/false as shell use crontab ? |
| 23:33.05 | baz | Flimzy: and my big fat data migration has almost completed. it would have taken 10x as long with scp, god bless netcat :) |
| 23:33.09 | karsten | bocai2015: ?? |
| 23:33.14 | Flimzy | baz: hehe |
| 23:33.18 | karsten | jan__: Test it. |
| 23:33.21 | Flimzy | baz: cool |
| 23:33.31 | jan__ | karsten: working on it ;) |
| 23:33.32 | Vlat | jan__: no, unless root do a crontab entry instead him |
| 23:33.44 | karsten | jan__: IIUC crontab sets its own default shell. /bin/false applies to login shells. |
| 23:34.13 | jan__ | Vlat: yes; karsten: indeed, thanks :) |
| 23:34.37 | Flimzy | Is there any reason I would even need ALSA instead of OSS for an ISA card? |
| 23:34.43 | karsten | jan__: So it does or doesn't work? |
| 23:34.47 | Vlat | Flimzy: no |
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| 23:34.53 | bocai2015 | here have sentence Plug-and-play, and , err, non-Plug-and-play |
| 23:35.02 | Flimzy | Vlat: Okay. Then I won't keep trying to get ALSA to work :P |
| 23:35.02 | baz | Flimzy: personal preference. ALSA seems to work nicer with software mixing for me, but YMMV |
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| 23:35.05 | JSIN | I deleted _everything_ in my home directory...even the hidden files.. |
| 23:35.20 | JSIN | And when I login to xdm, it starts xfce..what file is it looking at to base it's decision. |
| 23:35.21 | bocai2015 | so i think err ==etc |
| 23:35.26 | Flimzy | baz: I won't really be doing that. At most, I'll be playing music and video files, and then normal sound effects in the GUI, etc |
| 23:35.29 | JSIN | How can I start fluxbox. |
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| 23:35.39 | directhex | JSIN, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 23:35.48 | Flimzy | baz: (that assumes this CPU can do video playback) |
| 23:35.55 | baz | Flimzy: heheh, what CPU? |
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| 23:36.03 | Flimzy | baz: P233MMX |
| 23:36.15 | iiiclaw | is there a log file created when the system is booting? i'd like to have a closer look at everything that scrolls by when i boot up |
| 23:36.23 | baz | Flimzy: ah, there was a sale on at the computer museum? |
| 23:36.31 | Flimzy | baz: hehe, nah |
| 23:36.37 | JSIN | Flimzy what is the comp ? |
| 23:36.40 | Vlat | Flimzy: rather buy PCI card...maybe E-MU 1820 |
| 23:36.45 | Flimzy | baz: A coworker needed a new PC to use her new priner. I sold her a Duron 1.3Ghz, and got this thing on trade. |
| 23:36.55 | Vlat | Flimzy: then you really will need ALSA :))) |
| 23:36.55 | Flimzy | Vlat: If you can fit a PCI card in my laptop, I'll give you $20 |
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| 23:37.11 | Flimzy | JSIN: Dell laptop |
| 23:37.17 | JSIN | ahh |
| 23:37.24 | Vlat | Flimzy: Audiotrak OPTOPlay, it's USB device :) |
| 23:37.28 | typo | is there any way to make any packages that have been replaced by versions in outside repositories be downgraded to the debian sid version? |
| 23:37.33 | Vlat | Flimzy: where's my $20 %) |
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| 23:37.39 | JSIN | Flimzy me and john are over here installing on an old vaio 233 mmx system also |
| 23:37.41 | Flimzy | Vlat: Blah. I don't want more things to carry around in my laptop bag. |
| 23:37.49 | Flimzy | JSIN: you and John? |
| 23:37.58 | Flimzy | JSIN: Should the name John mean something to me? |
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| 23:38.33 | debiannewbie | hi everyone...:) |
| 23:38.38 | Vlat | Flimzy: Echo Indigo IO then, it's PCIMCIA, plug & forget :) |
| 23:38.41 | JSIN | Flimzy yeah everytime someone ask a legit question from this SN its prolly john, all the other crap is from me : jay |
| 23:39.07 | Flimzy | JSIN: Ah... okay... uhm.. sure |
| 23:39.19 | debiannewbie | quick question... I debootstrap'ed debian and got a weird error message... |
| 23:39.34 | debiannewbie | something like E: couldn't download libgnutls10 .. any ideas on this one? |
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| 23:39.45 | Flimzy | debhelper: try again |
| 23:39.56 | debiannewbie | i tried again... |
| 23:40.03 | debiannewbie | got the same error message and everything just stopped |
| 23:40.19 | debiannewbie | i tried a us ftp site and one in nl |
| 23:40.26 | debiannewbie | btw im in the us :) |
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| 23:40.39 | azeem | debiannewbie: that's just the summary, there is hopefully another, more verbose, error message |
| 23:40.49 | Vlat | debiannewbie: what error ? |
| 23:40.59 | debiannewbie | E: Couldn't download libgnutls10 |
| 23:41.04 | debiannewbie | thats the message |
| 23:41.23 | debiannewbie | i ran this command: debootstrap sarge /target http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 23:41.23 | azeem | anything else? |
| 23:41.27 | Flimzy | now I think I should get hotplug working with my PCMCIA NIC |
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| 23:41.44 | debiannewbie | I got a bunch of I's and validating stuff... |
| 23:41.47 | debiannewbie | but when I go to /target |
| 23:41.53 | debiannewbie | there isn't a /etc directory... |
| 23:42.11 | debiannewbie | and the install manual sad there should be after i run debootstrap |
| 23:42.33 | debiannewbie | i assume it just didnt work ..and that the error message is the indicator... |
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| 23:42.57 | Vlat | debiannewbie: 10? not 11 ? |
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| 23:43.14 | debiannewbie | yah it says it couldnt download 10... |
| 23:43.24 | Vlat | debhelper: try 11 |
| 23:43.35 | pureone | !ops current is a spambot |
| 23:43.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: current is a spambot |
| 23:43.37 | Vlat | debiannewbie: try 11 |
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| 23:43.42 | citral | hmmm |
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| 23:43.54 | debiannewbie | what should I type vlat? I tried typing this: debootstrap sarge /target http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ... remember i don't know diddly about debian... i am newbie installing |
| 23:44.14 | dondelelcaro | debiannewbie: which version of debootstrap is this? |
| 23:44.16 | karsten | dpkg: change windomanager is TMTOWTDI - update-alternatives --config x-window-manager OR edit ~/.xsession ('man Xsession' for info) or check list of window managers in your X display manager ([gkpwx]dm) config files, usually *dm-config or KDM?? OR 'startx $( which <windowmanager> ) -- <xserver-options>' |
| 23:44.18 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 23:44.55 | dondelelcaro | !info gnutls |
| 23:44.58 | debiannewbie | well t he man page is from 2001... |
| 23:45.03 | debiannewbie | i am running this off of knoppix.. |
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| 23:45.07 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 23:45.12 | dondelelcaro | debiannewbie: well, gnutls isn't in Debian anymore... |
| 23:45.16 | dondelelcaro | !+info gnutls |
| 23:45.18 | dpkg | Package 'gnutls' does not exist. |
| 23:45.20 | Flimzy | Is there any way to grow the size of a FAT32 partition in Linux? |
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| 23:45.27 | kingsley_ | What's tmpfs, which appears to be mounted on /dev/shm? |
| 23:45.27 | dondelelcaro | !+info libgnutls10 |
| 23:45.28 | MerlinCorey | debiannewbie: #knoppix |
| 23:45.32 | dpkg | libgnutls10: (GNU TLS library - runtime library), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.0.4-8 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 23:45.40 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 23:45.42 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's in oldlibs.. that's right. |
| 23:45.50 | debiannewbie | hehe...but i want debian :) |
| 23:46.00 | debiannewbie | i dont want knoppix...just using that to get debian on my machine.... |
| 23:46.03 | Vlat | !+info libgnutls11 |
| 23:46.07 | dpkg | libgnutls11: (GNU TLS library - runtime library), section libs, is important. Version: 1.0.16-13 (sid), Packaged size: 293 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
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| 23:46.14 | Vlat | oldlibs/libs |
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| 23:46.36 | debiannewbie | is it broken because of my version of debootstrap? |
| 23:46.39 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: If you want Debian, then install Debian, not Knoppix. |
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| 23:47.09 | Vlat | IMHO it's broken 'course Sarge wasn't officially released yet :) |
| 23:47.15 | debiannewbie | yah but i had to partition my hard disks and all...and that was easy cuz i had a knoppix 2.4 cd around... |
| 23:47.21 | debiannewbie | and i figured debootstrap would do the rest |
| 23:47.26 | debiannewbie | to get me home to debian .. |
| 23:47.31 | maher | debiannewbie: what error |
| 23:47.33 | greg_work | how do you execute a shell from in another program? calling /bin/bash didnt work like I wanted.. do I have to use su ? |
| 23:47.52 | Vlat | debiannewbie: apt-get install libgnutls11 |
| 23:48.04 | dvs | greg_work: Inside what program? |
| 23:48.06 | Flimzy | green_earz: su is only if you need to switch users |
| 23:48.13 | Vlat | debiannewbie: then follow the manual |
| 23:48.13 | maher | debiannewbie: don't msg me |
| 23:48.22 | greg_work | dvs: a php cli script |
| 23:48.30 | maher | debiannewbie: what version of debian |
| 23:48.50 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: If you want Debain, install Debian, not Knoppix. |
| 23:48.58 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: It's that simple. |
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| 23:49.11 | debiannewbie | maher-- i tried running debootstrap sarge /target http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian from knoppix... and i got this eror message E: Couldn't download libgnutls10 after a bunch of "Validating" messages |
| 23:49.18 | Vlat | Flimzy: damn right. does he use knoopix ? |
| 23:49.19 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: If you want a Toyota, don't buy a Honda. |
| 23:49.38 | maher | debiannewbie: maybe the mirror is out of sync, maybe there is some library snafu |
| 23:49.44 | pipeline | Flimzy, debiannewbie: More like, if you want a Toyota, don't buy a Kia. |
| 23:49.49 | Flimzy | Vlat: he said he does. |
| 23:49.52 | Phated | Or just get the blasted sarge netinst. |
| 23:50.11 | caphuso | debiannewbie: i think your debootstrap is seriously out of date |
| 23:50.11 | Vlat | Flimzy: Knoopix Sarge? It's something new :) |
| 23:50.13 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: Why don't you just install Debian? |
| 23:50.32 | dvs | Flimzy: Too easy |
| 23:50.34 | maher | debiannewbie: what version of debootstrap |
| 23:50.42 | debiannewbie | thats what i wanna do...but how if i dont have the cds? i wanna do it over ethernet |
| 23:50.51 | debiannewbie | maher: no idea...the man page is dated 2001 |
| 23:50.54 | Flimzy | Vlat: I think he's trying to debootstrap a Debian chroot from a Knoppix install. |
| 23:50.54 | Phated | Hence "netinst". |
| 23:51.05 | dvs | debiannewbie: Can you burn CDs? |
| 23:51.08 | Guerin | Flimzy: that's a perfectly valid way to install debian |
| 23:51.23 | debiannewbie | nope cant burn cds...unless i take another hour or 2 to go over to a friends house |
| 23:51.24 | Vlat | Flimzy: IMHO editing of apt.sources is the minimum |
| 23:51.36 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: Then get the CDs. Or get the floppy images. |
| 23:51.48 | Guerin | Vlat: that is NOT a perfectly valid way to install debian |
| 23:51.50 | maher | debiannewbie: dpkg -l debootstrap |
| 23:51.51 | Flimzy | Guerin: If Knoppix debootstrap worked, it would be. |
| 23:52.01 | Guerin | Flimzy: fair play. |
| 23:52.27 | Vlat | Guerin: i know, but the guy have a nothing, just knoopix |
| 23:52.28 | Guerin | debiannewbie: try downloading a debian build of debootstrap and installing/running that |
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| 23:52.57 | debiannewbie | i hear ya...that makes sense...guerin, you mean what maher suggested? with dpkg? |
| 23:53.27 | Guerin | debiannewbie: maher's suggestion will tell you the version you have installed. If it's different from the version on p.d.o, use the official one |
| 23:53.31 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: Try Guerin's suggestion. If that doesn't work, you can start the debian install from Windows/DOS using loadlin. |
| 23:53.34 | maher | debiannewbie: if you have never installed debian before using d-i may be easier, unless you have bleeding edge hw |
| 23:53.35 | debiannewbie | maher -- here is the version number: 0.2.38 |
| 23:53.45 | JSIN | Where does xdm store it's info for which window manager to start? |
| 23:53.46 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: Assuming you can't burn a CD |
| 23:53.54 | JSIN | I deleted everything in ~/* including hidden files |
| 23:54.01 | JSIN | But it still startx xfce |
| 23:54.04 | Guerin | JSIN: xsession or xinitrc |
| 23:54.08 | JSIN | How can I get it to start fluxbox |
| 23:54.18 | debiannewbie | well the thing is this...i put a pair of sata drives in and i configured them as raid drives..partitioned them and all... |
| 23:54.26 | Vlat | JSIN: cat /~.xinitrc |
| 23:54.32 | maher | debiannewbie: that's not that old... |
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| 23:54.45 | debiannewbie | and now i am trying to get debian as the os...thats why i went the knoppix route |
| 23:55.14 | dvs | debiannewbie: It would have been easier to go the debian sarge route |
| 23:55.29 | maher | debiannewbie: try a different mirror |
| 23:55.34 | debiannewbie | dvs: you mean debootstrap debian sarge? |
| 23:55.35 | Guerin | but he didn't have the ability to burn a fucking cd |
| 23:55.45 | debiannewbie | maher : will do...tried both us and nl so far.. |
| 23:55.45 | Guerin | so how would you suggest he do that?? |
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| 23:55.55 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: magic! |
| 23:56.04 | dvs | Guerin: Then where did he get Knoppix from? |
| 23:56.10 | maher | debiannewbie: can you dl the file it wants manually? |
| 23:56.28 | Flimzy | debiannewbie: For that, your plan may not work... You might be forced to use the debian installer (I'm not sure) |
| 23:56.33 | debiannewbie | man the canadian mirror has the same error message |
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| 23:56.54 | dvs | debiannewbie: The Canadian mirror is the American mirror |
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| 23:57.18 | thorie | how do i stop e-mail spam? |
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| 23:57.26 | Guerin | thorie: don't use email |
| 23:57.29 | Tubez | 'llo! |
| 23:57.39 | thorie | i have to use e-mail |
| 23:57.41 | thingfish | boy really |
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| 23:58.01 | Tubez | dpkg -l chops off parts of the package name, and it doesnt seem to take --wide as an option. Any ideas on how i can get the full package names? |
| 23:58.02 | dpkg | ii chops off parts of the package name, and it doesnt seem to take --wide as an option. Any ideas on how i can get the full package names 3.4-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:58.10 | debiannewbie | just tried france..same problem.. |
| 23:58.11 | thingfish | mozilla thunderbird has spam filters built in. |
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| 23:58.19 | maher | debiannewbie: can you dl the file it wants manually? |
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| 23:58.25 | thorie | thingfish: i can't do it on the client side |
| 23:58.26 | FieldySnuts | thingfish: good ones too |
| 23:58.27 | Vlat | debhelper: ftp.hu.debian.org |
| 23:58.32 | FieldySnuts | thorie: why? |
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| 23:58.35 | Guerin | ffs |
| 23:58.36 | Vlat | debhelper: i synced from it today |
| 23:58.40 | Tubez | Oops, sorry bot ;_ |
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| 23:58.43 | Guerin | the mirrors are very likely not the problem |
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| 23:58.50 | debiannewbie | maher: if i could find it..and if i knew where to put it..i would do that...not sure if it will work tho |
| 23:58.58 | thingfish | FieldySnuts: yes, actually they are. |
| 23:59.06 | thorie | FieldySnuts: the mail goes into the debian mail server running sendmail which then routes it to the internal mail server running Lotus Domino, and everyone is required to use Lotus Notes Client to connect to the domino server |
| 23:59.12 | Guerin | the problem is almost certainly that the version of debootstrap in knoppix is looking for a different package than the version on the sarge mirror |
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| 23:59.15 | FieldySnuts | thorie: lame. |
| 23:59.23 | thorie | FieldySnuts: Thunderbird isn't even an option |
| 23:59.24 | Tubez | Now without bothering the bot: The command "dpkg -l" chops off parts of the package name, and it doesnt seem to take --wide as an option. Any ideas on how i can get the full package names? |
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| 23:59.43 | dvs | Tubez: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
