| 00:00.03 | Tubez | dvs: ahh, check. Does that work for eveything? |
| 00:00.08 | thorie | Is there a way to get some baysian mail filtering on the linux box? |
| 00:00.12 | Guerin | thorie: rejection at mta, followed by greylisting, followed by spamassassin, followed by blacklisting. |
| 00:00.17 | dvs | Tubez: Whatever takes the COLUMNS argument |
| 00:00.18 | maher | thorie: spamassassin |
| 00:00.20 | Guerin | of course there fucking is |
| 00:00.25 | satiago | alguien que hable el espaņol |
| 00:00.28 | *** kick/#debian [satiago!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 00:00.31 | Guerin | a trivial google search would have gotten you thousands of pages |
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| 00:00.39 | satiago | alguien que hable el espaņolalguien que hable el espaņol |
| 00:00.40 | satiago | alguien que hable el espaņol |
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| 00:00.42 | satiago | alguien que hable el espaņol |
| 00:00.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: ops satiago is flooding |
| 00:00.51 | *** mode/#Debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 00:00.52 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: satiago is flooding |
| 00:00.57 | FieldySnuts | so close |
| 00:00.57 | Vlat | debiannewbie: it's coming by DCC |
| 00:00.59 | thorie | Guerin: i tried graylisting, but it delayed the mail and even stopped mail coming from non-conforming mail servers... company lost several thousands of dollars of revenue because of that |
| 00:00.59 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@200.124.164.77] by ElectricElf |
| 00:01.01 | *** mode/#Debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
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| 00:01.06 | Vlat | debiannewbie: acknowledge pls |
| 00:01.19 | petemc | thorie: you need to be selective in your greylisting |
| 00:01.20 | thorie | Guerin: graylisting was nice, but it's not the right solution |
| 00:01.21 | debiannewbie | vlat didnt get it yet... |
| 00:01.24 | Guerin | thorie: ok, so drop that one. |
| 00:01.25 | Shadowwarrior13 | I got an iPod connected with usb. What's the location of it in debian? |
| 00:01.25 | Tubez | dvs: hmm I must be doign somehtign wrong since i'm still gettign the same output. Echo $COLUMNS prints 200 though |
| 00:01.29 | dvs | ElectricElf: I think you banned the wrong person |
| 00:01.35 | ElectricElf | Did I? |
| 00:01.35 | FieldySnuts | spam isn't a technical problem it's a social / moral one |
| 00:01.37 | thorie | Guerin: can't afford to have any e-mail ever delayed, even for 5 minutes |
| 00:01.39 | FieldySnuts | good luck solving that. |
| 00:01.44 | Guerin | thorie: spamassassin, mta rejection, RBL and so on are still valid |
| 00:01.48 | Vlat | debiannewbie: NAT ? |
| 00:01.50 | dvs | ElectricElf: It wasn't sean_micker. It was satiago |
| 00:01.51 | FieldySnuts | ElectricElf: nah you got em |
| 00:01.58 | kyncani | ElectricElf: you did (i'm dead) ;) |
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| 00:02.03 | debiannewbie | what is nat? :) man i am too newbie that is for sure.. |
| 00:02.04 | xoz | Tubez: export it |
| 00:02.07 | thorie | Guerin: does spamassassin use baysian filtering? |
| 00:02.08 | Shadowwarrior13 | Anyone? |
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| 00:02.14 | Shadowwarrior13 | .0 |
| 00:02.17 | Guerin | thorie: yes. |
| 00:02.18 | FieldySnuts | thorie: newer versions can/do |
| 00:02.20 | thorie | Guerin: im trying to find a solution that, like thunderbird, lets me flag e-mail that is legit and that is spam |
| 00:02.26 | Tubez | xoz: that did it, thanks. |
| 00:02.26 | Vlat | debiannewbie: okay, tell me email and i'll send it |
| 00:02.30 | thorie | Guerin: i'm willing to do this manually every day if necessary |
| 00:02.40 | Guerin | thorie: spamassassin does exactly this in default configuration |
| 00:02.40 | debiannewbie | vlat: mittime@gmail.com |
| 00:02.42 | duolljk | sup dewds i got sarge working with firefox, xmms with working sound and fluxbox, thanks for all the help |
| 00:02.46 | petemc | FieldySnuts: spam needs technical solutions until other solutions can be found, and that may never happen |
| 00:02.49 | maher | Shadowcat: does it show up in cat /proc/partitions |
| 00:02.57 | duolljk | i was wondering if there is an apt depository that has mplayer in it |
| 00:03.01 | debiannewbie | thanks vlat! |
| 00:03.07 | duolljk | since i know they have some sort of legal battle or something |
| 00:03.11 | thorie | Guerin: does spamassassin force the users to have to send the spam mail to a "special" e-mail box that collects the spam for automatic detection in the future? |
| 00:03.13 | Guerin | thorie: you will want to train your bayes with as much spam as possible, so start saving it |
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| 00:03.24 | Guerin | thorie: it doesn't force anything to anyone |
| 00:03.27 | Taraxacum | to be able to execute a file i need to give it what options with chmod? x and? |
| 00:03.28 | nagual | mplayer has shut down due to copyright infringment :) |
| 00:03.29 | xoz | bayesian model works only if the past data are accurate |
| 00:03.39 | duolljk | i was able to get it using yum on fedora though |
| 00:03.40 | digital__ | gn :) |
| 00:03.42 | Guerin | thorie: it is very configurable, however, and interacts well with other unix tools |
| 00:03.51 | Vlat | debiannewbie: it's sent |
| 00:03.52 | dvs | Taraxacum: For yourself only u+x |
| 00:03.52 | thorie | Guerin: i get about 300 spam mails per hour on this server... if i saved any of it, i would need to buy several gigabytes of storage |
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| 00:04.05 | Taraxacum | what does the u means? |
| 00:04.08 | thorie | Guerin: ok i will try it... no other tool comes to mind? |
| 00:04.10 | dvs | Taraxacum: usre |
| 00:04.11 | dvs | Taraxacum: user |
| 00:04.12 | Shadowwarrior13 | Once again, |
| 00:04.14 | Shadowwarrior13 | I got an iPod connected with usb. What's the location of it in debian? |
| 00:04.15 | Taraxacum | thank you |
| 00:04.21 | FieldySnuts | thorie: doesn't every other user of that system bitch about spam? you should all talk to the admin, that's rediculous. I would be fired for allowing so much spam. |
| 00:04.24 | dvs | Taraxacum: no problem |
| 00:04.47 | xoz | Shadowwarrior13: apt-get install hwinfo. hwinfo | less .. look for ipod info |
| 00:04.49 | maher | Shadowwarrior13: probably /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 - do cat /proc/partiions or look in the logs |
| 00:04.50 | Guerin | thorie: you can set it to summarily delete anything over a certain value, and to save anything above a certain lower value, in order to make a false-positive buffer |
| 00:04.50 | thorie | FieldySnuts: im a C++ programmer, not a unix system or mail system administrator |
| 00:04.58 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 00:05.04 | thorie | FieldySnuts: i don't give a rats ass about e-mail and spam |
| 00:05.11 | FieldySnuts | sounds like you do. have fun |
| 00:05.16 | Flimzy | how does someone configure a PCMCIA NIC with hotplug? (Or is there even a better way to do it?) |
| 00:05.49 | Seb | i use the 2.6.10 kernel image from debian, and only root can burn CDs (using dev=/dev/hdc) even though cdrecord is setuid root and I belong to the right group (cdrom) |
| 00:05.55 | Seb | anyone knows how to fix this ? |
| 00:06.03 | maher | Flimzy: try using ifplugd |
| 00:06.06 | thorie | FieldySnuts: but i have to do it because i was supposed to do some occasional administration |
| 00:06.06 | Tubez | Thanks guys! |
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| 00:06.11 | jethro | Seb: you need the user to be in the disk group iirc |
| 00:06.19 | Seb | jethro: it is as well |
| 00:06.22 | Guerin | never add a user to disk |
| 00:06.26 | Guerin | ever ever ever |
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| 00:06.31 | jethro | uid=1000(jethro) gid=1000(jethro) groups=1000(jethro),6(disk),24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video) |
| 00:06.37 | dvs | Guerin: Not even the admin? |
| 00:06.39 | FieldySnuts | thorie: shrug. either get off the lotus lameness, or enjoy bathing in spam. not trying to be rude, but that's the way it is. |
| 00:06.40 | InKubus | is it possible to reinstall linux from within linux and no physical access to the machine? |
| 00:06.52 | Guerin | dvs: the admin is root, he's already a member of everything he wants to be |
| 00:07.01 | maher | Seb: there may be bugs in 2.6.10 - i can burn as non-root once, then it only works as root |
| 00:07.10 | Seb | maher: k |
| 00:07.11 | Taraxacum | what file was it again that i put a script in to run when i start? |
| 00:07.14 | xoz | InKubus: debootsrap? |
| 00:07.23 | debiannewbie | Vlad: where should I put 11 btw? and once I put it someplace, will debootstrap continue and work? |
| 00:07.29 | Vlat | InKubus: only if you're have a root access |
| 00:07.44 | streuner | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg local.rc |
| 00:07.57 | Guerin | InKubus: anything's possible |
| 00:08.06 | Vlat | debiannewbie: dpkg -i <file i sent> do it |
| 00:08.14 | maher | thorie: spamassassin can just add an extra spam header - will that do what you want? clients can filter as they choose |
| 00:08.22 | Taraxacum | umm |
| 00:08.26 | Taraxacum | i get nada |
| 00:08.43 | InKubus | i have root access |
| 00:08.45 | streuner | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 00:08.45 | witless | how do i enable exim4 to deliver aliases to piped commands? |
| 00:08.56 | thorie | maher: no, if they have to LOOK at the e-mail to see if it is spam, then its just the exact same thing as they are doing now |
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| 00:09.09 | maher | InKubus: with hassle |
| 00:09.17 | Guerin | InKubus: it takes more than root - it takes skkill too. If you have to ask whether it's possible, I don't suggest you try it. |
| 00:09.24 | InKubus | ok |
| 00:09.25 | maher | thorie: the client looks at the spam and puts it in the spam folder |
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| 00:09.31 | thorie | maher: i want a system where i can be the mail gatekeeper, and all mail has to go through me... and i verify by hand that each mail is legit or not legit |
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| 00:09.41 | Guerin | thorie: no, the client APP can filter based on headers - surely... |
| 00:09.46 | maher | thorie: by manual intervention? |
| 00:09.47 | thorie | maher: that doesnt work, too many legit mails get flagged as spam |
| 00:09.54 | thorie | maher: yes, manual intervention |
| 00:09.59 | Guerin | thorie: it can also tag a subject line with ***SPAM*** |
| 00:09.59 | Vlat | witless: /usr/doc/exim - example exim config - at the end of file there was a solution |
| 00:10.12 | InKubus | ok thanks guys i appreciate the advice |
| 00:10.13 | witless | Vlat: thanks |
| 00:10.13 | Guerin | thorie: not if you train your filters properly |
| 00:10.17 | thorie | Guerin: no, thats exactly what we have now... all spam gets flagged as "Spam:" |
| 00:10.22 | Vlat | witless: sorry, did not used MTA-s for a years, don't remember for now |
| 00:10.23 | kyncani | thorie: i don't think reading every mail is that legal, but ianal |
| 00:10.34 | kbrooks | ianal? |
| 00:10.34 | maher | thorie: we use spamassassin and i've had 1 false positive in about 5000 spam |
| 00:10.39 | dvs | !ianal |
| 00:10.39 | dpkg | Keeping in mind that I am not giving legal advice, or otherwise practicing as a lawyer without legal qualifications and official registration, however, it is my opinion that "IANAL" means "I Am Not A Lawyer." - Therefore I am a nice person. |
| 00:10.42 | jasonb | In debian, is there an /etc/init.d/iptables init script? |
| 00:10.51 | thorie | Guerin: everyone is complaining to me that they are getting too many e-mails with "Spam: " into their spam folder |
| 00:10.55 | deadcat | hehe. just compiled leafpad for ppc. (= |
| 00:10.58 | maher | thorie: how many emails does you org get? |
| 00:10.58 | jethro | thorie: get yourself a greylisting tool, it will save you from quite a lot of noise |
| 00:11.01 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: there is if you make one. |
| 00:11.03 | Guerin | thorie: ok. How do you know what's spam and what's not? Work on that link, hone it properly, and dump all spam |
| 00:11.05 | thorie | maher: about 200-300 per hour |
| 00:11.13 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: there's also a ipmasq package, which may be what you really want |
| 00:11.18 | Guerin | he's already tried greylisting |
| 00:11.19 | maher | thorie: and you're going to look at them all manually? |
| 00:11.22 | Vlat | jasonb: in 2.2.x kernels AFAIK |
| 00:11.30 | thorie | maher: yes, a web-based interface would be nice |
| 00:11.37 | jethro | doh |
| 00:11.40 | thorie | maher: i would go through and checkmark the ones that are legit |
| 00:11.46 | debiannewbie | hey Vlat I typed: dpkg -i libgnutls11_1.0.16-13_i386.deb and got an error message: dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system...? |
| 00:11.48 | Cyanophytes | what config file do I edit to start kde instead of gnome |
| 00:11.49 | thorie | maher: then click on "process" or "continue sending mail" |
| 00:11.54 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: So, in the newest debians, how would one stop|start iptables? |
| 00:12.02 | maher | thorie: umm... ok - i guess this will be your new full time job? |
| 00:12.03 | debiannewbie | im root and all... |
| 00:12.05 | jethro | thorie: I don't know of such existing opensource tool |
| 00:12.16 | thorie | maher: no, eventually the engine would learn which ones are spam and which are not... |
| 00:12.17 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: anyway you want to. |
| 00:12.24 | jethro | thorie: but there are commercial ones, like brightmail to name one |
| 00:12.26 | Vlat | debiannewbie: it's live-cd knoopix or hd-installed knoopix ? |
| 00:12.29 | Guerin | thorie: you can do this in spamassassin |
| 00:12.29 | maher | thorie: that is what spamassassin is for |
| 00:12.34 | thorie | Guerin: ok |
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| 00:12.35 | debiannewbie | live -cd knoppix.. |
| 00:12.38 | streuner | Cyanophytes: edit xsession and put 'exec startkde' into it |
| 00:12.39 | thorie | Guerin: i'll try spamassassin |
| 00:12.52 | Vlat | SPAM guys - just use any bayes filter |
| 00:12.52 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: there are literally a few dozen packages specifically made for managing firewall rules |
| 00:12.53 | Guerin | thorie: I suggest you go and read about it, you've been asking questions which are amply covered in the documentation etc. |
| 00:13.02 | distempr | I don't mean to ... drag ... but has there been any discussion on how the kernel team is now handling the "sucker" tree? Since I haven't seen 2.6.11 released in unstable. |
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| 00:13.16 | jethro | spamassin has a webbases frontend which allow users to let legit mail go through and also the following ones ? |
| 00:13.26 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: I'm attempting to support debian a bit without having debian.. so, I'm looking for specifics.. so for example, is there a safe/usual way of unloading the iptables modules, and then re-loading them (with the firewall rules going back in)? |
| 00:13.30 | deadcat | jethro: vacation |
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| 00:13.47 | jethro | deadcat: you think I need some? |
| 00:13.49 | Vlat | jasonb: yes |
| 00:13.51 | debiannewbie | Vlat: live -cd knoppix that is |
| 00:13.54 | Guerin | not webbased, it has a cli, but it's all perl, so writing a web-based interface should be easy |
| 00:13.57 | deadcat | jethro: no. the kernel team |
| 00:14.05 | Vlat | debiannewbie: it's a problem |
| 00:14.10 | jethro | deadcat: why do you say that to me? |
| 00:14.15 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: there are a few dozen different ways of doing it. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:14.16 | jasonb | Vlat: Okay, and what way is that? |
| 00:14.21 | deadcat | jethro: you ask about kernel 2.6.11 |
| 00:14.25 | Vlat | debiannewbie: you're just CAN NOT unpack a module to a burned CD :) |
| 00:14.37 | jethro | deadcat: I don't think so |
| 00:14.43 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to unload all of the iptables kernel modules, then reload them and re-install all the iptables rules. |
| 00:14.44 | kyncani | jasonb: iptables-save and iptables-restore perhaps ? (not debian specific) |
| 00:14.47 | deadcat | jethro: you saying i am lying? |
| 00:14.48 | Vlat | jasonb: just compile nescessery features as modules in kernel |
| 00:14.50 | jethro | deadcat: and if I did, then I d better call the men dressed in white |
| 00:14.58 | jethro | deadcat: hmm, yes |
| 00:15.11 | Vlat | jasonb: then use insmod/modprobe for loading and rmmod for unloading |
| 00:15.12 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: so flush the ruleset, rmmod the modules, and then modprobe them. |
| 00:15.12 | deadcat | jethro: sir, i challenge you to a dual! |
| 00:15.18 | jasonb | Vlat: One thing I'm not doing: I'm not changing any distro. I'm writing a script that uses a kernel and its modules as they already are. |
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| 00:15.30 | maher | deadcat: you may prefer to challenge him to a duel |
| 00:15.34 | jethro | deadcat: are you on crack? |
| 00:15.36 | Guerin | i challange boht of yopu 2 a treble!!1 |
| 00:15.38 | deadcat | maher: AH (= |
| 00:15.40 | Vlat | jasonb: than insmod/rmmod |
| 00:15.42 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: however, your script should never, ever need to load or unload the modules... |
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| 00:16.03 | deadcat | jethro: after i gut you... |
| 00:16.19 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: So are you saying "no" to my question, which was: is there a standard way (like one command.. or maybe two) for doing what you just described writing a whole script to do? |
| 00:16.19 | debiannewbie | i hear ya man...see this iwas my plan: knoppix cd...put the 2 hds in that I plan to sata raid(did it), partition the drives (did it), create a raid 1 array (did it), create filesystems and initialize swap (did it), create my target mountpt and mount the filesystems (did it), install basic debian system using debootstrap (thats where i got stuck) |
| 00:16.33 | jethro | !sing tuesday |
| 00:16.33 | Vlat | jasonb: if you're a maniac you should try sysctl...but it would be a painfull solution and a dirty hack :) |
| 00:16.34 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: the standard "command" is iptables -F |
| 00:16.41 | DoctaBu | Ok. I'm trying to install sarge, but when I've gotten past the language selection screen, it tells me that there was a problem reading data from the CDROM. Any ideas? |
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| 00:16.49 | maher | debiannewbie: find out where debootstrap caches the debs and copy the one you just dled there |
| 00:16.51 | Guerin | DoctaBu: reburn |
| 00:16.54 | jethro | anyways, tuesday would be the same as sunday, and everyother day |
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| 00:17.03 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: if you prefer it, you can use something like iptables-restore or whatever, which handles all of the iptables munging for you |
| 00:17.05 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: So then you're saying there's no single command for doing it in Debian. Okay. |
| 00:17.07 | streuner | DoctaBu: did you verify the iso? |
| 00:17.07 | DoctaBu | I did, Guerin |
| 00:17.11 | DoctaBu | no, I didn't. |
| 00:17.14 | DoctaBu | maybe that's the problem |
| 00:17.15 | Guerin | DoctaBu: get a nbew cd drive |
| 00:17.15 | streuner | hm |
| 00:17.17 | Vlat | DoctaBu: continue to install from FTO |
| 00:17.18 | debiannewbie | maher: i hear ya..will check where the deb files are.. |
| 00:17.19 | Vlat | DoctaBu: continue to install from FTP |
| 00:17.22 | DoctaBu | I can't. |
| 00:17.25 | DoctaBu | That's my problem. |
| 00:17.31 | DoctaBu | I have a wireless card, and that's it. |
| 00:17.38 | DoctaBu | (on the debian computeR) |
| 00:17.38 | Guerin | Vlat: if you don't know how d-i works, don't bother |
| 00:17.58 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: I'm just saying that there's no "default standard command" whatever that means. There are packages which are capable of managing the iptables ruleset for you, if that's what you're actually looking for. |
| 00:17.59 | Vlat | Guerin: d-i ? |
| 00:18.04 | jethro | !d-i |
| 00:18.04 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:18.05 | Guerin | Vlat: exactly |
| 00:18.08 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: But I think you said "iptables-restore" wasn't part of debian? So that'd be no good because I'm looking for only things that are by default part of debian. |
| 00:18.09 | streuner | DoctaBu: adress the people with the nick, otherwise its chaos, thanks. |
| 00:18.26 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: it's a package. Hell, iptables isn't a default part of Debian. |
| 00:18.47 | jasonb | dondelelcaro: I'm actually looking for the debian equivalent of RedHat/Fedora's /etc/init.d/iptables script, and from what you're saying, there is no such thing. |
| 00:18.49 | kyncani | jasonb: debian "default" is a minimal install |
| 00:18.50 | DoctaBu | streuner: Ok. :) |
| 00:19.00 | cafuego | bloody tylical |
| 00:19.01 | maher | jasonb: in general removing modules isn't guaranteed to work afaik - do you just want to flush the rules? |
| 00:19.04 | cafuego | typical too |
| 00:19.08 | kyncani | jasonb: even without iptables, as dondelelcaro said |
| 00:19.11 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: this is a common misconception amongst people. The default part of Debian is very, very tiny. If it's not Section: base and Essential: Yes, then it's not in base. |
| 00:19.13 | streuner | DoctaBu: md5sum might help |
| 00:19.13 | jasonb | kyncani: Probably so, which is yet one more problem. |
| 00:19.13 | debiannewbie | maher: i found out that the .deb files are cached here /target/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:19.15 | dondelelcaro | s/base/default/ |
| 00:19.22 | Vlat | Guerin: sorry, didn't meant it changed so rapidly |
| 00:19.36 | DoctaBu | streuner: where can I find an md5 checker for widnwos |
| 00:19.39 | DoctaBu | windows* |
| 00:19.43 | kyncani | jasonb: because it's not loaded with every possible apps out there ? |
| 00:19.55 | debiannewbie | maher: ok i copied it over...should i run debootstrap now? |
| 00:19.56 | Guerin | DoctaBu: Call Dr. Google |
| 00:19.59 | streuner | DoctaBu: well, google for md5sum windows |
| 00:20.05 | DoctaBu | heheh Ok. |
| 00:20.06 | maher | debian: yes - try again |
| 00:20.36 | atrus | okay, i was in the middle of an upgrade, and it died. now no binary runs (including init on boot), all failing with the message: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:20.37 | Cyanophytes | hmm somehow after doing apt-get dist-upgrade. KDE disapeared |
| 00:20.51 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: yes, blindly running dist-upgrade is bad, mkay? |
| 00:20.52 | debiannewbie | maher: same error E: Couldn't download libgnutls10 |
| 00:20.58 | streuner | !googlesmite Guerin |
| 00:21.02 | maher | debiannewbie: ok - i dunno |
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| 00:21.08 | jasonb | kyncani: No. I understand that point from a "we put our distro on literally everything of all sizes" point of view.. however I'm an application developer looking for something else entirely.. and I'm trying to write something that works across popular distros, and I'm finding that I can't really support debian. |
| 00:21.12 | dondelelcaro | !dist-upgrade |
| 00:21.12 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 00:21.19 | Guerin | raawr |
| 00:21.25 | azeem | atrus: try to reinstall libc6 manually from another installation or a LiveCD via dpkg-deb -x or so |
| 00:21.27 | maher | jasonb: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 00:21.39 | debiannewbie | maher: given what i am trying to do is there another way to install debian and then chroot? |
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| 00:21.49 | Cyanophytes | dondelelcaro: It didn't show any packages where going to be removed |
| 00:21.56 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: sure it did... |
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| 00:22.03 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: you may have just missed it... |
| 00:22.07 | maher | debiannewbie: deboostrap has always worked for me - maybe knoppix's debootstrap is broken for some reason |
| 00:22.09 | Cyanophytes | yes |
| 00:22.12 | dondelelcaro | jasonb: if you're an application developer, the most you can expect is LSB. That's it. |
| 00:22.21 | dondelelcaro | (sometimes you can't even expect that) |
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| 00:22.33 | Cyanophytes | Thats what I get to doing this stuff in the morning when not awake. heh |
| 00:22.48 | Cyanophytes | it's just my test system anyways |
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| 00:22.59 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: you may want to consider using aptitude instead... it deals better with figuring out what you actually want to have installed |
| 00:23.10 | kyncani | jasonb: your app just need to check iptables availability and output and error message if iptables is not available, same goes with iptables-save/restore |
| 00:23.13 | typo | is there an easy way to find out which packages I have installed have a different version in the repository? |
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| 00:23.16 | DoctaBu | Ok, I just MD5'd the ISO, and it's good. |
| 00:23.19 | jasonb | maher: My script needs to turn on ip forwarding. At least on kernel 2.6, if I turn it on while iptables is loaded and being used, some subsequent modprobes of iptables modules hang, and the fix is to unload the iptables modules before turning on ip forwarding, then re-insert them afterwards. |
| 00:23.27 | DoctaBu | But it's still giving me CDROM errors when I try to install it. |
| 00:23.39 | DoctaBu | I just installed woody yesterday using the same cdrom drive, same cds, etc. |
| 00:23.46 | dondelelcaro | typo: not trivially, but you can do that using the --dry-run options of aptitude, and/or using dpkg -l with grep-dctrl |
| 00:24.04 | Cyanophytes | dondelelcaro: is aptitude graphical? |
| 00:24.12 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: it's curses based |
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| 00:24.26 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: but you can use it just straight from the command line if you wish |
| 00:24.28 | FieldySnuts | he probably thinks it sears at him |
| 00:24.35 | DoctaBu | Heh, any ideas anybody? |
| 00:24.43 | maher | jasonb: ok - i'm totally ignorant - i thought iptables did forwarding |
| 00:24.43 | streuner | DoctaBu: throw the CD into trash |
| 00:24.53 | DoctaBu | I did tha twith the last one |
| 00:24.56 | DoctaBu | I wrote a new ne |
| 00:25.01 | short1 | typo apt-get dist upgrade will show you which ones then hit no |
| 00:25.02 | streuner | DoctaBu: hm |
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| 00:25.15 | streuner | DoctaBu: what's about d-i? |
| 00:25.20 | maher | DoctaBu: check the md5sum of the image you dled |
| 00:25.24 | streuner | DoctaBu: debian-installer (sarge) |
| 00:25.26 | DoctaBu | maher: I did. It checked out. |
| 00:25.36 | debiannewbie | woohoo it is working!! |
| 00:25.37 | jasonb | maher: And, in the process, I don't want to remove any already configured iptables rules.. I want to save those off, unload the modules, turn on ip forwarding, reload the modules, and put the rules back in. In RedHat/Fedora, this is one command to stop, one command to start. In debain it appears to be a long script full of stuff. |
| 00:25.39 | DoctaBu | streuner: ? |
| 00:25.40 | maher | DoctaBu: check the md5sum of the iso you burned |
| 00:25.44 | debiannewbie | i just put --exclude=lib...10 |
| 00:25.44 | DoctaBu | I did! |
| 00:25.45 | DoctaBu | Oh |
| 00:25.52 | DoctaBu | the iso |
| 00:25.53 | DoctaBu | ? |
| 00:25.53 | streuner | maher: he said he did |
| 00:25.58 | debiannewbie | newbie figures it out :) |
| 00:26.09 | DoctaBu | I did. |
| 00:26.14 | debiannewbie | now i may get a messed up install tho..eh? |
| 00:26.14 | DoctaBu | it checked out. |
| 00:26.27 | hojax | clear |
| 00:26.27 | debiannewbie | maher, vlat,. guerin whatcha think? |
| 00:26.29 | maher | DoctaBu: if the cd you burned is ok - then i don't know why it isn't working |
| 00:26.37 | DoctaBu | odd. |
| 00:26.49 | short1 | doctabu maybe just bad disc try another one |
| 00:26.53 | maher | debiannewbie: what did you do? |
| 00:26.55 | DoctaBu | I already did! |
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| 00:27.01 | short1 | Bugger |
| 00:27.04 | debiannewbie | maher i put the --exclude flag in debootstrap |
| 00:27.18 | Vlat | debiannewbie: sorry, was outside last 8 minutes. what's the matter right now ? |
| 00:27.18 | maher | debiannewbie: that should be fine - carry on |
| 00:27.19 | atrus | azeem: think that was it. my chroot's running properly again, so i can probably reboot safely :) |
| 00:27.20 | debiannewbie | to exclude the libgnutls10 |
| 00:27.25 | debiannewbie | and it worked.. |
| 00:27.48 | debiannewbie | vlat: used the --exclude filag for that 10 library..and it is downloading and extracting and all |
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| 00:28.06 | Vlat | debiannewbie: great! |
| 00:28.06 | debiannewbie | man but i got a TON off erors :) |
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| 00:28.35 | debiannewbie | stuff like : W: Failure while configuring base packages. This will be attempted 5 times. |
| 00:28.39 | Vlat | debiannewbie: erm...what kind of errors. reproduce at least the one |
| 00:28.43 | shadowarts | hello can someone tell me how to enable color in the terminal (no x) |
| 00:28.59 | debiannewbie | and like this : mailx depends on exim4 | mail-transport-agent; however: |
| 00:29.08 | Vlat | debiannewbie: not good. let's see what will happend at the end |
| 00:29.33 | debiannewbie | something about something not being mounted |
| 00:29.45 | Vlat | debiannewbie: vfs ? |
| 00:29.50 | typo | how do I list all the package names installed in my system? |
| 00:30.03 | debiannewbie | the thing is i lost the last error messages because i did an ls... |
| 00:30.04 | gary | What is a good program for burning to dvdr? |
| 00:30.09 | debiannewbie | and my buffer isnt that much... |
| 00:30.13 | rzei | typo: try apt-cache help |
| 00:30.15 | debiannewbie | so cant see..and dont rmeember :) |
| 00:30.17 | maher | gary: k3b |
| 00:30.38 | Vlat | debiannewbie: but at least you can boot in the new system ? |
| 00:30.40 | debiannewbie | should i just continue and reinstall later if things are messed up? |
| 00:30.43 | debiannewbie | yah i think so :) |
| 00:30.46 | debiannewbie | woohoo! :) |
| 00:30.59 | shadowarts | anyone? i want to be able to syntax highlight with vim but everything is monochrome |
| 00:31.02 | gary | maher: thank you |
| 00:31.09 | Vlat | debiannewbie: => Guerin |
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| 00:31.27 | DoctaBu | brb |
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| 00:31.36 | Vlat | debiannewbie: imho there's should be apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:31.46 | ndee | hi there, which package do I have to install so that I can run php scripts from the shell? |
| 00:31.54 | cafuego | php4-cli |
| 00:31.55 | Vlat | debiannewbie: but who knows, i'm not expert in sarge |
| 00:32.12 | cafuego | shadowarts: Fix your $TERM type. |
| 00:32.20 | ndee | cafuego: can't find that package. |
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| 00:32.36 | cafuego | ndee: it's not in woody. use 'php4-cgi' instead. |
| 00:32.45 | ndee | cafuego: ah ok. thanks |
| 00:32.50 | cafuego | ndee: it won't print those http headers if you run it as 'php -q' |
| 00:33.06 | cafuego | ndee: Of add #!/usr/bin/php -q as first line of scripts. |
| 00:33.16 | shadowarts | cafuego: how do i do that? |
| 00:33.31 | Flimzy | Is there any documentation on how to set up hotplug for network devices in Debian? All I've found thus far are some very vague references to it, with very little about specifics. |
| 00:33.35 | ndee | cafuego: works now. Thanks! |
| 00:33.46 | debiannewbie | by the way..when i go and delete symlinks to the outside world in the targets etc ..what am i really doing? |
| 00:33.55 | maher | Flimzy: try ifplugd |
| 00:33.57 | cafuego | shadowarts: export TERM=linux; vim foo.c |
| 00:34.00 | debiannewbie | i am deleting hostname resolv.conf and localtime..but dont know why i am doing it :) |
| 00:34.08 | deadcat | cafuego: you still use -q wiht php4-cli right? |
| 00:34.13 | cafuego | deadcat: no |
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| 00:34.26 | deadcat | cafuego: oh.. |
| 00:34.28 | Flimzy | maher: okay |
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| 00:35.30 | deadcat | cafuego: interesting... |
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| 00:35.57 | cafuego | deadcat: Not much point having a separate package otherwise |
| 00:35.58 | deadcat | cafuego: i guess the -q do no harm. compatible with php-cgi (= |
| 00:35.59 | Tr0||_DX | hey men is there a way to access a fat32 partition from linux as a user |
| 00:36.10 | cafuego | !vfatrw |
| 00:36.10 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 00:36.20 | Tr0||_DX | am triing to put user,rw in fstab but to no luck |
| 00:36.42 | Tr0||_DX | good bot |
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| 00:37.12 | john__ | I get an error when I try to player a movie with mplayer, it sayd Couldn't open /dev/3dfx |
| 00:37.18 | john__ | With mplayer* |
| 00:37.21 | john__ | er, yea |
| 00:37.22 | Flimzy | maher: That doesn't seem to configure the hotplug interfaces, tho... just control them once they're configured. I need to know how to initially configure them. |
| 00:37.41 | Tr0||_DX | 3dfx driver suck in both xfree and xorg |
| 00:37.51 | john__ | Tr0||_DX, So what do I do? |
| 00:37.52 | Tr0||_DX | where the fuck do i get a working drive |
| 00:37.55 | short1 | Tr)||_DX /mnt/win vfat umask=0,user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,auto,exec,quiet 0 0 works for me |
| 00:38.02 | Tr0||_DX | men am asking too |
| 00:38.10 | Tr0||_DX | k |
| 00:38.18 | cafuego | he question is: Where do I get a decent gfx card. |
| 00:38.19 | maher | Flimzy: what do you mean by configure? |
| 00:38.42 | Chris62vw | why does my vncserver run gnome as a WM instead of fluxbox? |
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| 00:39.00 | Chris62vw | I have "exec startfluxbox" in my ~/.xinitrc, not "exec gnome-session" |
| 00:39.02 | cafuego | Chris62vw: Coz you don't have a.xsession |
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| 00:39.14 | Chris62vw | thanks |
| 00:39.18 | cafuego | Chris62vw: mv .xinitrc .xsession |
| 00:39.24 | Chris62vw | aha, thank you very much |
| 00:39.30 | deadcat | i would ln one of those file |
| 00:39.31 | debiannewbie | very newbie question: am i supposed to setup fstab in etc on my own? or does it do it on its own? |
| 00:39.39 | Chris62vw | thanks deadcat |
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| 00:40.34 | short1 | debiannewbie it will do most of it except fat etc |
| 00:40.43 | Tr0||_DX | ok that should work for the fat but about the voodoo |
| 00:40.45 | Tr0||_DX | .... |
| 00:40.51 | Tr0||_DX | the driver really suck |
| 00:40.58 | Tr0||_DX | i need DRIVER |
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| 00:41.03 | Tr0||_DX | gimme driver |
| 00:41.08 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: You need a 21st century card, |
| 00:41.16 | citral | !annoy Tr0||_DX |
| 00:41.16 | dpkg | Tr0||_DX: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 00:41.17 | Tr0||_DX | i know that too |
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| 00:41.29 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Tr0||_DX about enter |
| 00:42.05 | john__ | When I try to player a movie with mplayer, it looks at /dev/3dfx and that file doesn't exist. |
| 00:42.05 | Tr0||_DX | i alredy received this one countless time , stop it , happy ,,, ...... |
| 00:42.16 | Chris62vw | no |
| 00:42.17 | Jacobo221 | is there any command to check differences in two directories. I only want to check which files have been added/removed |
| 00:42.19 | Flimzy | well I think I have hotplug working... at least kinda |
| 00:42.20 | Tr0||_DX | because it ... doesnt exist |
| 00:42.21 | jetscreamer | hey scarynetworkguy has there been a definitive answer to the common complaint that over a lan, win2lin is slower than win2win or lin2lin? |
| 00:42.29 | Flimzy | now I should get my fbconsole to work at a resolution higher than 640x480 |
| 00:42.40 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: WTF? |
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| 00:43.16 | jetscreamer | scarynetworkguy, lots of ppl complain that their kb/s is slower over a win2lin transfer over samba than win2win or lin2lin |
| 00:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: That question is so big as to be without any meaning whatsoever. |
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| 00:43.49 | jetscreamer | so that would be a no then |
| 00:45.16 | jetscreamer | by what seems to be a steady factor of 60% btw |
| 00:45.18 | Tr0||_DX | hey damn bot wbuffer |
| 00:45.20 | jetscreamer | +/- |
| 00:45.39 | gary | k3b is nice |
| 00:45.40 | Jacobo221 | is there any command to check differences in two directories? I only want to check which files have been added/removed |
| 00:45.43 | FieldySnuts | wtf is with all the bots and spam today |
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| 00:45.54 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
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| 00:46.00 | Taraxacum | if i want to change between diffrent login screens for xwindows, how can i do that in the easiest way? |
| 00:46.09 | Tr0||_DX | the hab |
| 00:46.13 | Tr0||_DX | its the channel bot |
| 00:46.21 | FieldySnuts | Tr0||_DX: huh? |
| 00:46.22 | jetscreamer | Taraxacum, do you mean dm's, like gdm? |
| 00:46.41 | Tr0||_DX | HUH!!! |
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| 00:46.56 | Taraxacum | login screens |
| 00:46.56 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump Tr0||_DX |
| 00:47.11 | jetscreamer | would that be a yes or a no? |
| 00:47.14 | Taraxacum | those you get before you actually get into gdm?! |
| 00:47.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer Tr0||_DX |
| 00:47.40 | jetscreamer | gdm starts on_boot, unless you make it not (like me) |
| 00:47.42 | ravenbird | 'Tr0||_DX' is 99.710% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 00:47.44 | FieldySnuts | wow |
| 00:47.47 | Tr0||_DX | nice |
| 00:47.54 | Tr0||_DX | it raised |
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| 00:48.34 | FieldySnuts | I think _ counts for a lot |
| 00:48.36 | Taraxacum | nvm, just tell me how i switch manager then, like gdm |
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| 00:49.05 | jetscreamer | it's controlled by /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 00:49.19 | Taraxacum | no easy way to do it? |
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| 00:49.38 | sussudio | !nickometer _)]F137Dy5Nut5[(_ |
| 00:49.39 | dpkg | '_)]F137Dy5Nut5[(_' is 99.9497% lame, sussudio |
| 00:50.28 | jetscreamer | Taraxacum, dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 00:50.35 | Taraxacum | okay |
| 00:50.53 | jetscreamer | i have some scripts/alias's to change it on the fly though |
| 00:51.32 | Taraxacum | i can only choose between xdm and gdm, but what about fluxbox and stuff like that? |
| 00:51.44 | Flimzy | How do I determine what refresh rates are supported by an LCD? |
| 00:51.52 | sussudio | Flimzy: rtfm |
| 00:51.56 | jetscreamer | flux isn't a dm |
| 00:52.02 | Flimzy | sussudio: Ah, great. Thanks. What FM? |
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| 00:52.10 | sussudio | Flimzy: tlfm |
| 00:52.11 | ^_DaNi_^ | Buenas |
| 00:52.15 | ^_DaNi_^ | Hi |
| 00:52.18 | ^_DaNi_^ | I need help |
| 00:52.18 | ^_DaNi_^ | :/ |
| 00:52.19 | Flimzy | sussudio: ? |
| 00:52.22 | ^_DaNi_^ | with Debian |
| 00:52.25 | sussudio | Flimzy: your lcd fm |
| 00:52.30 | Sero | I was trying to run a program and it said I was missing / usr/share/tun and said something about my kernel version. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 00:52.41 | Flimzy | sussudio: Okay. Did that. But how do I determine supported refresh rates? |
| 00:52.45 | Flimzy | sussudio: IOW, that's not in that manual. |
| 00:52.53 | sussudio | Flimzy: google |
| 00:53.00 | ^_DaNi_^ | I need help with X11 I'm In X11 but the resolution is not good |
| 00:53.00 | debiannewbie | is there a like package version of emacs? |
| 00:53.12 | sussudio | a what |
| 00:53.18 | debiannewbie | I am doing apt-get and dont want vim...or vi... i want something like emacs |
| 00:53.28 | sussudio | !info emacs |
| 00:53.28 | debiannewbie | recommendations? |
| 00:53.28 | jetscreamer | Flimzy, go to the maker's website |
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| 00:53.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war |
| 00:53.47 | ravenbird | it isn't a debate that less is better than cat! |
| 00:53.49 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: Dell's website doesn't mention refresh rates. |
| 00:53.55 | short1 | Dani edit xf86 config |
| 00:53.58 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: Only supported resolution and colordepths. |
| 00:53.58 | ^_DaNi_^ | short1: |
| 00:54.00 | ^_DaNi_^ | Yes |
| 00:54.01 | ^_DaNi_^ | but |
| 00:54.05 | FieldySnuts | dude, please hit enter less |
| 00:54.05 | ^_DaNi_^ | the resolution isn't |
| 00:54.07 | ^_DaNi_^ | good |
| 00:54.07 | ^_DaNi_^ | :/ |
| 00:54.10 | debiannewbie | vlad? no of a good emacs look alike/ jove? |
| 00:54.13 | stouset | debiannewbie: apt-cache search emacs |
| 00:54.29 | jetscreamer | Taraxacum, you might be wanting xnest if the dm isn't what you meant |
| 00:54.31 | cafuego | dpkg: No, any version of FieldySnuts is infinitely lame |
| 00:54.31 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 00:54.32 | kyncani | ^_DaNi_^: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i think |
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| 00:54.40 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 00:54.40 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 00:54.42 | ^_DaNi_^ | kyncani: |
| 00:54.43 | ^_DaNi_^ | But |
| 00:54.45 | ^_DaNi_^ | The mouse |
| 00:54.50 | ^_DaNi_^ | doesn't work |
| 00:54.52 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: what was it before? |
| 00:54.54 | debiannewbie | i guess i need emacs21 :) |
| 00:55.01 | debiannewbie | thanks soutset! |
| 00:55.03 | thefly | nobody needs emacs |
| 00:55.05 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 00:55.05 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 00:55.05 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: In betwen 1 and 99% |
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| 00:55.08 | FieldySnuts | ^_DaNi_^: lay off on the enter key, please, put more on one line |
| 00:55.09 | sussudio | !irritate ^_DaNi_^ |
| 00:55.10 | dpkg | ^_DaNi_^: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 00:55.13 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: ah |
| 00:55.20 | FieldySnuts | "run the mouse" nice |
| 00:55.28 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mouse runs you |
| 00:55.28 | ^_DaNi_^ | dpkg: |
| 00:55.29 | ^_DaNi_^ | xDD |
| 00:55.32 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 00:55.32 | ^_DaNi_^ | What? |
| 00:55.34 | Flimzy | well google is of no help |
| 00:55.36 | ^_DaNi_^ | I'm Spanish |
| 00:55.37 | shingouz | dani: loose the irritating "kewl" doodahs off your nick while you're at it ;) |
| 00:55.37 | ^_DaNi_^ | but |
| 00:55.40 | sussudio | !es |
| 00:55.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:55.42 | Flimzy | So... is there any way to probe a refresh rate of an LCD? |
| 00:55.43 | debiannewbie | thefly i need jove... :) u are right |
| 00:55.51 | thefly | vim! |
| 00:56.01 | ^_DaNi_^ | Thanks |
| 00:56.01 | jetscreamer | ritalin |
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| 00:56.10 | FieldySnuts | phew. |
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| 00:57.50 | sussudio | hm nickchangetard |
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| 00:58.20 | stouset | Slow night. |
| 00:58.27 | sussudio | take it easy |
| 00:59.06 | kingsley | What are some good tools to see what a swap device is up to? |
| 00:59.07 | Flimzy | ah |
| 00:59.12 | Flimzy | maybe it would help if I loaded the fbcon module! |
| 00:59.27 | sussudio | why do people talk gibberish tonight? |
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| 00:59.41 | sussudio | ah, gentootard. |
| 00:59.45 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.55 | short1 | kingsley vmstat |
| 00:59.55 | sussudio | gary: WHY DO YOU WONDER |
| 01:00.02 | zOap | sussudio, Dunno, it's easter, maybe something to do with it?:) |
| 01:00.18 | shingouz | Flimzy: read-edid? i think that was what it was called. reads the specs off the monitor |
| 01:00.23 | sussudio | gary: and why do you feel the need to "wonder" out loud? |
| 01:00.33 | chealer | hey travisat |
| 01:00.38 | gary | sussudio: it helps me think :D |
| 01:00.42 | peterrooney | apt is giving me a headache. I'm using testing, but wish to keep the stable version of (among other things) xplanet. So, I edited /etc/apt/apt_preferences, copied it to /etc/apt/preferences, ran apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade. The upgrade insists on the new version. |
| 01:00.46 | Flimzy | shingouz: thanks |
| 01:01.12 | sussudio | gary: i don't think it does |
| 01:01.14 | peterrooney | I've checked man apt-get, man 5 apt_preferences, man 5 apt.conf, etc. |
| 01:01.21 | sussudio | hm. easter. bunnies. |
| 01:01.22 | kingsley | short1: Great! Thanks. Perhaps vmstat 1 |
| 01:01.28 | sussudio | fuck. |
| 01:01.29 | zOap | gary, most certainly, the cost from 17 to 19 is more than covered with the extra space you get, |
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| 01:01.54 | chealer | peterrooney: what's /etc/apt/apt_preferences ? |
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| 01:02.13 | NP_comple | How to wach an URL via Mplayer, i'm in the moof for wach ranttv... please help |
| 01:02.18 | thorie | how do i change the mirror i use for CPAN? |
| 01:02.32 | gary | zOap: Yea, i only thought about it just now, but i've heard people say that there is not much point. Physical space is hardly effected witht he size increase. The extra cost is only a little. Just depends on how long it lasts, and weather or not i really need it |
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| 01:02.42 | chealer | NP_comple: maybe #mplayer ? |
| 01:02.50 | gary | zOap: could be good for movies though |
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| 01:03.09 | NP_comple | chealer: everybody seems dead there |
| 01:04.09 | chealer | NP_comple: maybe they think your question is easy to figure out |
| 01:04.20 | NP_comple | ok |
| 01:04.25 | NP_comple | they answered me |
| 01:04.43 | peterrooney | chealer: it's the file specified by apt as the preferences file - 'dpkg -L apt' |
| 01:05.02 | debiannewbie | where is patch located? |
| 01:05.10 | zOap | gary, look at this way. 2 inches more space, bigger resolution, maybe as high as 1600, instead of 1024 or 1280 on the 17. That's a total of I don't know how many pixels, the difference is huge, if you look at it that way. Much more space available. I have a 24 inch widescreen with 2056 1590 resolution, just as it should be:) |
| 01:05.13 | cafuego | /usr/bin |
| 01:05.20 | debiannewbie | i am getting this error: bash: patch: command not found |
| 01:05.28 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:05.29 | cafuego | debiannewbie: Maybe you should install it, then. |
| 01:05.30 | debiannewbie | bash: /usr/bin/patch: No such file or directory |
| 01:05.32 | Chris62vw | so now I have a fresh Sarge setup on this box. how do I install the 2.6 kernel? thanks |
| 01:05.35 | Tr0||_DX | i hate you all .... just a lit' reminder |
| 01:05.40 | FieldySnuts | @lart Tr0||_DX |
| 01:05.45 | debiannewbie | cafuego: deb-get patch? |
| 01:05.48 | chealer | peterrooney: so dpkg -L apt|grep etc/apt/apt_preferences brings something for you? |
| 01:05.51 | cafuego | debiannewbie: 'deb-get' ? |
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| 01:06.14 | cafuego | debiannewbie: Check the basic command helpon the debian website, don't make up commands. |
| 01:06.14 | debiannewbie | does it matter from which directory i invoke the deb-get..i mean will it know where to install patch? |
| 01:06.26 | short1 | Chris62 apt-get kernel-image-blah |
| 01:06.32 | zOap | debiannewbie, eeh... |
| 01:06.45 | kyncani | Chris62vw: apt-get install --dry-run kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:07.02 | Eclipser | uh |
| 01:07.03 | peterrooney | chealer: yes |
| 01:07.13 | short1 | whoops missed -install |
| 01:07.19 | Eclipser | what's the point of CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR ?-p |
| 01:07.19 | chealer | peterrooney: ah, it doesn't for me. what's your release? |
| 01:07.47 | peterrooney | debian, sarge |
| 01:07.48 | FieldySnuts | Eclipser: anything with a bios before that year, acpi is disabled. intended for broken shit. |
| 01:07.50 | Chris62vw | thanks kyncani |
| 01:08.07 | peterrooney | chealer: debian, sarge |
| 01:08.11 | Eclipser | FieldySnuts, ah |
| 01:08.16 | chealer | peterrooney: sorry, I have no clue how come you have that file |
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| 01:08.40 | Chris62vw | should I install 2.6.10 or .9 or .8? |
| 01:08.55 | short1 | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 01:09.02 | chealer | peterrooney: but if you have it, you probably did something wrong ( http://www.google.ca/search?q=etc%2Fapt%2Fapt_preferences&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:fr:unofficial ) |
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| 01:09.30 | archpollux | hi |
| 01:09.44 | chealer | peterrooney: although there's a O'Reilly book that talks about it :) |
| 01:10.10 | archpollux | does anyone else have problems with the latest packaged nvidia kernel source? |
| 01:10.28 | Tr0||_DX | go to hell with your nvidia |
| 01:10.33 | Tr0||_DX | bitch |
| 01:10.37 | chealer | hum |
| 01:10.42 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: try to be less true to your nick. |
| 01:10.59 | Tr0||_DX | sorry can't help |
| 01:11.00 | archpollux | for me, X says that the kernel driver is version 7.1.0 , but the X module is version 1.0.7167 |
| 01:11.06 | chealer | archpollux: quite likely, since it's a binary driver |
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| 01:11.13 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: '/quit' would work. |
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| 01:11.28 | chealer | archpollux: someone said that yesterday and solved the problem in a minute going to #nvidia |
| 01:11.30 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 01:11.37 | peterrooney | chealer: Well, I figured something was whacked, which is why i copied it to 'preferences' in the same folder first. |
| 01:11.38 | StrongTAG | is there any way to figure out which fonts (from an xlsfonts) come from which packages |
| 01:11.45 | Tr0||_DX | right like would "/killall -9 X" |
| 01:11.51 | Tr0||_DX | TRY IT |
| 01:11.53 | chealer | archpollux: make sure nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx are all up-to-date |
| 01:11.55 | Tr0||_DX | DO IT |
| 01:11.59 | StrongTAG | i'd like (for example) to find all packages that are installing jisx fonts |
| 01:11.59 | archpollux | chealer: yes, they are |
| 01:12.00 | Tr0||_DX | -now |
| 01:12.16 | cafuego | !tell Tr0||_DX -about enter |
| 01:12.26 | archpollux | StrongTAG: you can use dpkg -S to search for filenames in installed packages |
| 01:12.35 | chealer | archpollux: google it, then ask #nvidia if you didn't find. and tell me the problem please |
| 01:12.51 | Tr0||_DX | do you think i never received this one |
| 01:13.03 | kyncani | !tell StrongTAG about apt-cache |
| 01:13.11 | Tr0||_DX | stfu with your !enter shit |
| 01:13.17 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: do you actually have anything marginally #debian related to ask about? or are you just going to troll? |
| 01:13.21 | Raenius | is there an automatic debian update util? |
| 01:13.44 | archpollux | chealer: okie |
| 01:13.52 | dondelelcaro | Raenius: yes, it's called cron-apt, but you probably don't want to use it. |
| 01:14.06 | Tr0||_DX | i ask sometime |
| 01:14.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: it's been trolling for quite a while. Always tends to when it joins. |
| 01:14.13 | Flimzy | Is there any advantage to using a higher refresh rate on an LCD? |
| 01:14.21 | cafuego | Flimzy: No, they're all 60 |
| 01:14.28 | Tr0||_DX | but now am just realising that you guy cant even do voodoo5 driver |
| 01:14.31 | Tr0||_DX | so lame |
| 01:14.35 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:14.35 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@60-92.mg.cgocable.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:14.35 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:14.40 | directhex | !ops Tr0||_DX is a smacktard, as exhibited in other chans |
| 01:14.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Tr0||_DX is a smacktard, as exhibited in other chans |
| 01:14.44 | directhex | bah |
| 01:14.49 | Flimzy | cafuego: ah... that's good to know. I wish someone who was telling me to RTFM earlier would have known that. heh |
| 01:14.53 | Raenius | dondelcaro: Is there any better utils? apt-something? |
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| 01:14.58 | dondelelcaro | Raenius: for what? |
| 01:15.15 | dondelelcaro | Raenius: the very idea of automated updates is rather broken, which is why I don't recommend cron-apt |
| 01:15.24 | Flimzy | Is there any advantage to using higher or lower bit depths for fbconsole? |
| 01:15.32 | StrongTAG | the problem with that is that there's not a clear mapping between the fonts that show up in xlsfonts and the files in a given package, using something like synaptic, I can look at installed files and see what files the package has installed, but then there's "magic" that takes place to the font installation (i know about about dpkg/apt-cache) |
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| 01:15.55 | Raenius | dondelcaro: What do you do to keep up to date with security type issues.. |
| 01:16.13 | dondelelcaro | Raenius: subscribe to security-announce, and run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; on the stable boxes as appropriate |
| 01:16.50 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:16.53 | Raenius | dondelcaro: ok that's actually what I meant but wasnt' how to setup mirrors etc.. |
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| 01:17.06 | archpollux | Raenius: security.debian.org in your sources.list, install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges, also do what dondelelcaro says |
| 01:17.12 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@60-92.mg.cgocable.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:17.18 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:17.18 | archpollux | :) |
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| 01:19.11 | Raenius | thanks guys.. |
| 01:19.40 | archpollux | chealer: aha... there are two nvidia.ko files in /lib/modules/2.6.10/ |
| 01:19.44 | chealer | dondelelcaro: can I send you a list of factoids to remove? |
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| 01:19.50 | dondelelcaro | chealer: sure. |
| 01:19.58 | chealer | dondelelcaro: how would you prefer? |
| 01:20.09 | archpollux | chealer: no wait, i'm dreaming |
| 01:20.12 | dondelelcaro | chealer: just a \n delineated list of the factoid keys |
| 01:20.27 | dondelelcaro | chealer: you can send it to don@donarmstrong.com |
| 01:20.28 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: there go your factoids. |
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| 01:20.33 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:20.40 | helix | cafuego: this is awesome |
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| 01:20.53 | Todd_ | hi |
| 01:21.08 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.15 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: scroll up a bit |
| 01:21.22 | chealer | donarmstrong...I've always wondered where your nick came from. maybe I'll figure out someday |
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| 01:21.29 | dondelelcaro | !meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 01:21.29 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is a conjuction of don=don del=delphi elcaro=oracle. Figure it out. |
| 01:21.34 | chealer | FieldySnuts: :-P |
| 01:21.36 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: i have a bunch of people on ignore |
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| 01:22.01 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: not my fault |
| 01:22.06 | chealer | doh |
| 01:22.14 | peterrooney | chealer: I found it! |
| 01:22.21 | chealer | peterrooney: tell me :) |
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| 01:23.16 | peterrooney | chealer: the various Package: Pin: Pin-priority: triplets all have to be separated by a blank line. |
| 01:23.21 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I don't understand what that would mean other than an oracle of delphi |
| 01:23.40 | peterrooney | chealer: this was not made clear in ANY of the documentation. |
| 01:23.58 | Todd_ | can someone help me, im trying to get sendmail working but don't know how to use it |
| 01:24.06 | Todd_ | man sendmail didn't really help |
| 01:24.27 | FieldySnuts | ask them, it's their product |
| 01:24.33 | Xenguy | Todd_: unless yer sure you want to use sendmail, I wouldn't ;-) |
| 01:24.37 | FieldySnuts | me neither. |
| 01:24.38 | Todd_ | btw, im just trying to set it up enough to use it with php |
| 01:24.39 | dna_ | I have a geforce 2 and i installed the drivers and fors ome reason I get GLX errors |
| 01:24.42 | dna_ | can anyne help me |
| 01:24.52 | directhex | dna_, your drivers are installed wrong |
| 01:25.04 | Xenguy | Todd_: why not use the default Exim ? |
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| 01:25.07 | dna_ | hmmm I just did apt-get install |
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| 01:25.18 | dna_ | directhex, are there some documents on how to install them correctly |
| 01:25.18 | Todd_ | Xenguy: how do i do that? |
| 01:25.26 | directhex | !tell dna_ about nvidia |
| 01:25.31 | chealer | peterrooney: I thought that would be straightforward, but anyway you didn't find why there are only 3 google hits for /etc/apt/apt_preferences ? it didn't work with that file, did it? |
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| 01:25.54 | kyncani | Todd_: sendmail with php ??? |
| 01:25.57 | Xenguy | Todd_: I don't have a lot of time right now, sorry. Do you know whether exim is installed? |
| 01:26.04 | Todd_ | yes its installed |
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| 01:26.21 | c00l | how to edit the message of login prompt of debian woody? Like: Debian 3.0 woody at .... |
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| 01:26.49 | Xenguy | Todd_: OK, so exim should have whatever functionality you need that you expected from sendmail (they're both MTA's) |
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| 01:27.43 | Todd_ | ok |
| 01:27.44 | directhex | c00l, /etc/issue |
| 01:27.44 | dippo | does anyone know of the least obtrusive way to let non-linux/unix-capable people add/remove users on a debian system? |
| 01:27.53 | dna_ | how do I find out what distro of debian I have installed |
| 01:27.53 | dippo | i don't really want something as massive as cpanel or anything |
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| 01:28.03 | directhex | dippo, adduser and deluser. |
| 01:28.05 | MobyTurbo | Todd_: exim can even be called as "sendmail" "mailq" etc with compatable command line syntax, as can a number of other MTAs. |
| 01:28.13 | dna_ | Linux DNA.example.com 2.4.25-1-multimedia-k7 #1 SMP Fri Sep 3 12:28:18 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:28.15 | directhex | dna_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:28.17 | dna_ | is that woody? |
| 01:28.35 | dippo | directhex: non-linux/unix-capable as in "probably incapable of opening a shell" |
| 01:28.35 | cafuego | dna_: No. |
| 01:28.39 | chealer | dna_: cat /etc/debian_version. it's not pure woody |
| 01:28.40 | dna_ | directhex, says testing/unstable |
| 01:28.43 | chealer | oops |
| 01:28.52 | cafuego | dna_: that's a custom kernel OR a weird-ass distro. |
| 01:29.00 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 01:29.08 | directhex | dna_, have you ever updated this machine? ever? |
| 01:29.19 | Flimzy | Will a smaller bitdepth for console fb result in increased speed? |
| 01:29.19 | dna_ | yes but then my programs stopped working |
| 01:29.25 | dna_ | all my music software |
| 01:29.30 | cafuego | Flimzy: No. |
| 01:29.36 | directhex | so no, sarge/sid haven't said testing/unstable for about 6 months |
| 01:29.39 | c00l | directhex tks man |
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| 01:29.53 | cafuego | Flimzy: basically, a decent matrox card with matroxfb will give you a mamrginally faster frbcon. otheriwse, don't use fbcon. |
| 01:30.02 | directhex | of course, knoppix on the other hand... |
| 01:30.09 | MobyTurbo | !tell dna_ about debian based |
| 01:30.10 | Flimzy | cafuego: So there'd be no reason not to use the highest supported bitdepth? |
| 01:30.16 | cafuego | Flimzy: Nope |
| 01:30.21 | csj | hello, I want to remove everything except the some packages, so I use dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | egrep -v "(pkg1|pkg2|pgk3|..|long to pkg100)" | apt-get remove --purge -y, but remove nothing, is egrep cant handle too long expression? |
| 01:30.33 | cafuego | dross: very full due to persistent on-join spammers. |
| 01:30.34 | dna_ | hehehe |
| 01:30.38 | dna_ | add Agnula in there |
| 01:30.39 | dna_ | :) |
| 01:30.49 | cafuego | dross: And a recent array of botnet flooders. |
| 01:30.52 | Flimzy | cafuego: I was using fbcon to utilize the full LCD (rather than just the center of it) |
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| 01:32.01 | john__ | When I try to player a movie with mplayer, it fails and it looks at /dev/3dfx and that file doesn't exist. |
| 01:32.21 | Flimzy | john__: do you have a 3dfx card? |
| 01:32.43 | cafuego | Flimzy: *nod* |
| 01:33.01 | Todd_ | what about sending an email through console, i think thats my problem is thats not working right |
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| 01:33.45 | Flimzy | cafuego: Altho once I have X installed, I may not care about that any more. |
| 01:33.48 | eyeris | How does sarge start svscanboot? |
| 01:34.05 | cafuego | Flimzy: What gfx card? |
| 01:34.16 | Flimzy | cafuego: Integrated NeoMagic something-or-other |
| 01:34.24 | cafuego | Flimzy: aiyee |
| 01:34.24 | Eclipser | funny |
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| 01:34.52 | Eclipser | I can't seem to disable SCSI device support complitely, I have to either include it to the kernel or make a module :o - ah well |
| 01:35.01 | Flimzy | cafuego: Yeah, I wish they'd put an ATI Rage in this 233Mhz laptop, too :) |
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| 01:35.14 | cafuego | Eclipser: Yopu have enabled something that depends on it, which is why you can't disable it. |
| 01:35.18 | Flimzy | Eclipser: That means you have some other option selected that requires SCSI support |
| 01:35.28 | Flimzy | Eclipsers: Perhaps USB-storage, or SCSI-IDE emulation |
| 01:35.35 | cafuego | Eclipser: Check 1) Firewire [sbp2] 2) usb-storage and 3) Serial ATA |
| 01:35.40 | alakdan | anyone familiar with keycodes or uinput.h ? |
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| 01:36.17 | bg]knife | i am soon buying a laptop, fujitsu s series. i read a page about linux on laptops. i been wondering which distro to put, between debian and fedora. fedora has the rpm packages which makes it a little easier since im not a big fan of command line installing because i always get errors. but debian comes with a lot of preinstalled. in either case, i checked the hardware is compable, i just am still wondering which is hte best distr |
| 01:36.18 | bg]knife | o for laptops? |
| 01:36.52 | alakdan | bg]knife: go for debian :) |
| 01:36.53 | Flimzy | bg]knife: Debian's packaging system is far superior to fedora's |
| 01:36.54 | kyncani | bg]knife: my advice: try both and make your own choice |
| 01:37.04 | citral | debian owns |
| 01:37.12 | ACiDC0re | ^^^ |
| 01:37.14 | ACiDC0re | !! |
| 01:37.14 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:37.16 | chealer | bg]knife: rpm/deb has nothing to do with CLI or not. it's a matter of using GUIs or not |
| 01:37.37 | cafuego | bg]knife: You're better off focusing on whether the kernel supports the integrated hardware. 1) Video card 2) WiFi 3) Modem |
| 01:37.49 | bg]knife | i have fedora on 4 computers at home. |
| 01:37.55 | bg]knife | i want it to support wifi, and bluetooth |
| 01:38.21 | cafuego | bg]knife: Well, make sure the 2.6 kernel supports the chips it comes with. That will be identical on both debian and fedora. |
| 01:38.32 | bg]knife | the model i want, is debian compatable |
| 01:38.51 | bg]knife | just im not sure how well ill get around debian |
| 01:39.03 | Flimzy | bg]knife: If it's Linux compatible, then it's Debian compatible. |
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| 01:39.09 | cafuego | bg]knife: if you can manage fedora, debian is far easier to work with. |
| 01:39.11 | Flimzy | bg]knife: You might try Debian on a desktop first, to see if you like it. |
| 01:39.25 | kyncani | bg]knife: especially if you have 4 desktops |
| 01:39.28 | archpollux | fedora's a pita |
| 01:39.41 | chealer | archpollux: BTW did you figure out what was wrong? |
| 01:39.46 | archpollux | chealer: ye |
| 01:39.47 | alakdan | bg]knife: can I msg you? |
| 01:39.55 | bg]knife | yes |
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| 01:40.00 | archpollux | chealer: for some reason it was loading the older driver, i have no clue how |
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| 01:40.05 | cafuego | bg]knife: The only thing to keep in mind is that Debian won't install X windows until you tell it to do so, so it will initially start in CLI mode. Just remember to type 'aptitude'. |
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| 01:40.14 | chealer | archpollux: what did you do to fix it? |
| 01:40.15 | DoctaBu | I return! |
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| 01:40.24 | cafuego | bg]knife: ALternatively, if you want to run Gnome, give Ubuntu atry. |
| 01:40.38 | bg]knife | i like gnome |
| 01:40.38 | bg]knife | ... |
| 01:40.53 | archpollux | chealer: rm -fr on /usr/src/modules/nvidia, then made a fresh deb |
| 01:40.56 | Flimzy | I think maybe I don't like aptitude |
| 01:41.08 | cafuego | bg]knife: then yes, try ubuntu. |
| 01:41.10 | risky | Kde also got nice with ubuntu on hoary |
| 01:41.16 | archpollux | chealer: but then it still didn't work.. or maybe i forgot to rmmod first |
| 01:41.17 | DoctaBu | Ok- does anybody know of a way to install sarge without the net install--- just the CDs? This computer I'm trying to install stuff on has a wireless card that doesn't seem to have a driver on the netinstall CD |
| 01:41.17 | chiavo | or kubuntu for kde |
| 01:41.29 | citral | hmmm this is #debian |
| 01:41.31 | Flimzy | DoctaBu: Yeah... that's the 'normal' way |
| 01:41.40 | cafuego | citral: liar |
| 01:41.49 | DoctaBu | Hmmm. |
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| 01:41.57 | cafuego | citral: it may say #debian but you spell it #cafuego. |
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| 01:42.08 | bg]knife | wait so why does debian come with 7 cd's if it doesnt install x initially? |
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| 01:42.16 | EvanCarroll | DoctaBu: you probably need ndis wrapper and window sdriver |
| 01:42.17 | Flimzy | DoctaBu: It will ask something to the effect of "How do you want to install Debian?" Just say "CD-ROM" instead of http or ftp. |
| 01:42.17 | archpollux | DoctaBu: it's far easier to find the driver and put it on a disk then use the netinstall, if a driver actually exists for linux |
| 01:42.20 | cafuego | bg]knife: It coems in 15 CDs, not 7 ;-) |
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| 01:42.36 | kyncani | bg]knife: debian install x initially if you want to |
| 01:42.40 | chealer | archpollux: I don't have /usr/src/modules/nvidia |
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| 01:42.54 | bg]knife | 15 cds, where? |
| 01:42.56 | cafuego | bg]knife: it doesn't install ALL software initially, because many people don't want all software. |
| 01:43.02 | dippo | anyone know what can cause this on "apt-get update": E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) |
| 01:43.03 | archpollux | chealer: how do you build your nvidia-kernel deb? |
| 01:43.08 | Jacobo221 | is there a command which counts how many times a character appears in a line? |
| 01:43.08 | dippo | it just happened out of the blue |
| 01:43.14 | cafuego | bg]knife: debian-installer. You do *not* want debian 3.0r4. |
| 01:43.20 | dippo | after "apt-get install lsof" (which succeeded without incident) |
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| 01:43.21 | chealer | archpollux: with module-assistant |
| 01:43.27 | archpollux | chealer: never used it |
| 01:43.31 | bg]knife | no 3.0? |
| 01:43.39 | satHan | dippo: corrupted file on disk perhaps |
| 01:43.42 | archpollux | cafuego: it's bugged? |
| 01:43.51 | chealer | archpollux: what did you use? |
| 01:43.51 | cafuego | bg]knife: Debian is close to releasing version 3.1. get that. |
| 01:44.05 | dippo | can i remove that file and rebuild it somehow? |
| 01:44.06 | bg]knife | so is there a place to dl or do i hve to buy, im ok with both. i have a fry's store 5 mins away from me. |
| 01:44.15 | bg]knife | ok also, what about suse 9.2? |
| 01:44.25 | archpollux | chealer: i have my own script, if you want, i can paste it to you in private |
| 01:44.26 | TheBlueWizard | bg]knife: you can get by with just one (first) CD...it will contain the most popular stuff...and then you can install others via Internet. I'd recommend you get a net-installer image (it's small) |
| 01:44.30 | cafuego | bg]knife: Do you have broadband? |
| 01:44.33 | satHan | dippo: you could try moving it to .backup and re-updating |
| 01:44.37 | satHan | dippo: if that works, then you're set |
| 01:44.38 | bg]knife | yes |
| 01:44.42 | matman | Is anyone aware of anything like Snare for 2.6 series kernels? I'd like to audit file access. |
| 01:44.49 | chealer | archpollux: alright |
| 01:44.57 | stouset | http://www.touset.org/blog/images/me.jpg |
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| 01:45.08 | stouset | Wow, wrong window! |
| 01:45.10 | cafuego | bg]knife: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:45.15 | Flimzy | bg]knife: You want to download Debian? |
| 01:45.15 | Flimzy | bg]knife: did you try debian.org? |
| 01:45.16 | bg]knife | shie shie |
| 01:45.19 | bg]knife | yeah |
| 01:45.20 | peterrooney | chealer: I'm not sure why my apt package has the filename `borked`. However, the debian website suggests that it is normal: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apt&version=testing&arch=powerpc&page=3&number=50 |
| 01:45.22 | bg]knife | but its 7 cd's there |
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| 01:45.24 | TheBlueWizard | bg]knife: the full woody set is 15 CDs, divided into two sets: binary and source (yes, we seriously believe in providing the source code) |
| 01:45.25 | chealer | stouset: pfff. show some hardware at least |
| 01:45.33 | stouset | Haha. |
| 01:45.35 | cafuego | bg]knife: that's a 100MB iso image, which will download whatever you need and nothing more. |
| 01:45.56 | bg]knife | then what, mount it? |
| 01:46.06 | stouset | chealer: Hey screw you man, that's a fine IBM InfoPrint 20 in the background there. |
| 01:46.07 | bg]knife | or burn? |
| 01:46.07 | Flimzy | TheBlueWizard: His entire problem is that he CAN'T net install |
| 01:46.08 | Flimzy | TheBlueWizard: Or at least I think it was him who had that prob |
| 01:46.09 | cafuego | bg]knife: Download it, burn it, boot it. |
| 01:46.12 | stouset | chealer: AND a Brother fax. |
| 01:46.19 | bg]knife | ill get dual boot then and try it |
| 01:46.26 | TheBlueWizard | Flimzy: oh? hmm.... |
| 01:46.30 | chealer | stouset: yeah but there's something obstructing the view ;) |
| 01:46.40 | DoctaBu | How can I get my install of woody on a wireless network with a wireless card that is recognized by the OS? |
| 01:46.51 | stouset | chealer: I've tried to photoshop him out, believe me :-P |
| 01:47.01 | bg]knife | so debian is *prefered* choise for notebooks? |
| 01:47.06 | alice|wl | hi, I m looking for apache mod_define for woody but cant find it, any help ? |
| 01:47.18 | chealer | stouset: ;) |
| 01:47.24 | cafuego | DoctaBu: "not" basically. |
| 01:47.32 | satHan | bg]knife: I happen to like OpenBSD myself, but if you're thinking Linux-based than yes |
| 01:47.42 | DoctaBu | ?! |
| 01:47.43 | cafuego | bg]knife: No, whatever you want to use is the preferred choice. |
| 01:47.52 | chealer | OpenBSD for a notebook? is this really usable? |
| 01:47.54 | bg]knife | oh im past games, cept bsd is more cli right? |
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| 01:48.05 | satHan | bg]knife: cli? |
| 01:48.13 | TheBlueWizard | bg]knife: notebooks are more difficult to install than the desktops in general, regardless of distros...blame the manufacturers (I am not trying to scare you, just pointing out the reality) |
| 01:48.18 | satHan | bg]knife: ahh, no I use KDE under openbsd |
| 01:48.19 | DoctaBu | So I'm just out of luck? |
| 01:48.27 | chealer | peterrooney: that talks about man apt_preferences but not /etc/apt/apt_preferences. |
| 01:48.27 | tomb0y | is there a way to install debian sarge on a pc w/o a cdrom drive or floppy drive? i currently have a half woody/sarge install on it which the dist-upgrade went horrible, and i have a drive in there i could throw mount the iso to.. |
| 01:48.28 | Todd_ | wait, im getting this error in the exim4 log, "Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 01:48.32 | Todd_ | how do i fix this? |
| 01:48.35 | bg]knife | well i want something to support wireless and bluetooth |
| 01:48.43 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: HP has linux-equipped laptops now |
| 01:48.51 | DoctaBu | AGH!! I'm going to die. |
| 01:48.53 | bg]knife | and from the user feedbacks the models i have my eye one support the hardware |
| 01:48.56 | satHan | tomb0y: If you have a network with other linux PCs, you could try netbooting it |
| 01:48.57 | DoctaBu | All I'm getting with Debian is trouble. |
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| 01:49.21 | jjoseph | DoctaBu, You said your card is supported correct? |
| 01:49.23 | DoctaBu | Is there no way to get on a wireless network with a basic debian woody install? |
| 01:49.24 | DoctaBu | Yes. |
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| 01:49.30 | Flimzy | tomb0y: If you have a FAT partition, it's not hard. |
| 01:49.31 | tomb0y | sathan: yea i do, you know of a link that i could read on how to do that ? |
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| 01:49.43 | DoctaBu | jjoseph: yes. |
| 01:49.52 | matus | hi... somebody know if there is a chanel about nachOS ? |
| 01:49.58 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Put the base files on the FAT partition, then use loadlin to start the install. |
| 01:50.00 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: I am aware of a few companies selling laptops with Linux preinstalled...I am talking anout the laptop *in general* |
| 01:50.06 | satHan | tomb0y: nope, sorry. your google is likely as good as mine |
| 01:50.09 | TheBlueWizard | about* |
| 01:50.11 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: yes, i agree |
| 01:50.14 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Copy the contents of the netinst, or sarge CD 1 to the FAT partition |
| 01:50.27 | bg]knife | or i can take a virtual cd to the store and ask if i can test, that is if i find my model |
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| 01:50.37 | Todd_ | i like dells |
| 01:50.37 | tomb0y | flimzy: i dont have fat at all, nor is it avail in my current kernel |
| 01:50.43 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: i'm just saying that things might be slowly changing |
| 01:50.54 | alice|wl | hi, I m looking for apache mod_define for woody but cant find it, any help ? |
| 01:51.00 | archpollux | tomb0y: use a diskette |
| 01:51.01 | DoctaBu | jjoseph - any idea?? |
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| 01:51.06 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Oh, you have Linux already installed? |
| 01:51.06 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Then put it on an ext2 filesystem |
| 01:51.24 | Flimzy | archpollux: he doesn't have a FDD |
| 01:51.24 | archpollux | alice|wl: might come with the apache package |
| 01:51.25 | tomb0y | flimzy: so just mount iso ? then use loadlin ? |
| 01:51.31 | archpollux | Flimzy: d'oh |
| 01:51.34 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: I hope so...but I am not holding my breath (witness the refusal of video chip makers to release info on 3D accelerator stuff, for example) |
| 01:51.39 | jjoseph | DoctaBu, My laptop works great on my wireless network. Though I set it up so long ago I couldn't be of much help to you. |
| 01:51.43 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: i know |
| 01:51.47 | DoctaBu | Crap. |
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| 01:51.58 | DoctaBu | OK. |
| 01:52.00 | Flimzy | tomb0y: The trick is to put the install files on a partition that will not be erased during the install (once install is done, you can zap it) |
| 01:52.00 | DoctaBu | If I want to have a laptop |
| 01:52.03 | DoctaBu | With a wireless card |
| 01:52.11 | tomb0y | flimzy: of course :) |
| 01:52.12 | Flimzy | tomb0y: mount the ISO, copy the files from the ISO to a standard partition |
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| 01:52.24 | Flimzy | tomb0y: loadlin is for DOS... you'll hafta set up lilo/grub to boot the install system (which is fine... but it means you probably only get one shot) |
| 01:52.34 | DoctaBu | What distro should I get? What build of that distro should I get? What images should I burn? How do I install drivers for my wireless network card? GARRR IT SUCKS BEING A LINUX IDIOT |
| 01:52.35 | Enolayale | can anyone help with my nvidia driver install? |
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| 01:52.45 | Nwallins | downloading sarge-i386-netinst.iso at 10KB/sec any faster mirrors available? |
| 01:52.51 | chealer | !tell Enolayale about nvidia-howto |
| 01:52.54 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Look at the syslinux config file on the 'boot.img' disk image for clues as to what kernel commandline options you want to use |
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| 01:52.57 | bg]knife | with the net cd, i just put it in and it download all that i select right? |
| 01:53.05 | Flimzy | tomb0y: you'll need to load the proper kernel, with proper initrd, etc |
| 01:53.05 | tomb0y | flimzy: ok will try :) |
| 01:53.07 | jjoseph | DoctaBu, By on your network do you mean onto the net through your desktop as gateway? Can you ping your desktop from your laptop? |
| 01:53.07 | satHan | Nwallins: use the bittorrent tracker |
| 01:53.09 | Enolayale | can I explain my problem :D |
| 01:53.12 | Flimzy | tomb0y: An easier idea, actually... |
| 01:53.16 | DoctaBu | No, jjoseph |
| 01:53.18 | satHan | Enolayale: sure, shoot |
| 01:53.20 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Might be to use debootstrap |
| 01:53.25 | Flimzy | tomb0y: someone was trying that earlier |
| 01:53.30 | DoctaBu | jjoseph: ALL I have on this laptop is a wireless card. NO ethernet. |
| 01:53.32 | alice|wl | archpollux: I installed apache-common and searched apt-cache ? but didnt find anything and its not in the modules dir |
| 01:53.37 | Flimzy | tomb0y: What version of Linux is installed currently? |
| 01:53.47 | chealer | Enolayale: if you want help, that might help you indeed |
| 01:53.49 | cafuego | DoctaBu: The url i pasted for bg]knife a screen or so back will work with wifi. |
| 01:53.55 | archpollux | alice|wl: is it a standard module or not? |
| 01:53.56 | Enolayale | I'm in init 2 now, trying to sh the nvidia run file, it says I don't have my kernels source which I have installed via kpackager |
| 01:53.57 | Nwallins | satHan: hmm.. i don't see it on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:54.10 | archpollux | alice|wl: do you happen to know the actual filename? |
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| 01:54.21 | tomb0y | flimzy: woody, but i did a dist-upgrade to sarge, and it hosed my system, ie tar outputs seg fault, same with quite a few other necessary binaries |
| 01:54.22 | MobyTurbo | darned dial-up |
| 01:54.25 | bg]knife | Doctabu: i'm dling 300kbs which is my limit form my net (suposedly i have 700-1500) |
| 01:54.29 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: ideally, I would want a machine with a Free BIOS, Free video, Free etc...with documentations and kernel config file in hand so I don't have to futz with it at all...just fix it whenever the problem arises. Period. |
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| 01:54.48 | alice|wl | archpollux: apache page says it s a standart module contained in mod_define.c . On a redhat server I have it as mod_define.so |
| 01:54.56 | Flimzy | tomb0y: hmm |
| 01:54.56 | Flimzy | tomb0y: |
| 01:54.56 | Flimzy | tomb0y: Then debootstrap might not work, either |
| 01:55.01 | jetscreamer | !info fc |
| 01:55.02 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: i know what you mean, but i think that's just utopia nowadays |
| 01:55.18 | jetscreamer | wtf do i get vi when i type fc |
| 01:55.20 | Flimzy | tomb0y: But you might want to try it |
| 01:55.26 | DoctaBu | cafuego: last time I tried using this image, it said that the CDROM could not be read correctly |
| 01:55.28 | satHan | Nwallins: I dunno, sorry. Thought there was an image floating around |
| 01:55.35 | bg]knife | oh yeah this is kinda of pointless, but can i run a file/ftp/mail server on dynamic ip? |
| 01:55.45 | cafuego | bg]knife: sure |
| 01:55.48 | chealer | !tell Enolayale about nvidia-installer |
| 01:55.51 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: democracy was once a forgotten utopia a long time ago a sly ;) |
| 01:55.52 | bg]knife | cuz i never turn it off anyway |
| 01:55.55 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 01:55.55 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:56.00 | cafuego | bg]knife: Just install a client fo syndns.org and off you go. |
| 01:56.00 | Enolayale | alright bbl |
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| 01:56.09 | cafuego | dyndns.org too |
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| 01:56.19 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: i said nowadays :) |
| 01:56.22 | tomb0y | flimzy: will it work if i have the files in a dir on a partition? or does it need to be on the root of the partition ? |
| 01:56.26 | lu | greetings, what is the apache chat group? |
| 01:56.28 | romulo | how do i install one program without installing an dependency? |
| 01:56.34 | jetscreamer | #apache comes to mind |
| 01:56.37 | lu | #apache? |
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| 01:56.44 | lu | yes the obvious is the solution |
| 01:56.44 | cafuego | romulo: You don't. Coz that problem NEEDS the dependancy to work. |
| 01:56.46 | citral | or #apache |
| 01:56.48 | lu | thanks |
| 01:56.52 | Flimzy | tomb0y: You'd want to create a new / partition, at any rate |
| 01:56.56 | jetscreamer | but never #apache |
| 01:56.58 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: who knows what will happen... but i'm just not sure about a totally "free computer" |
| 01:57.01 | romulo | cafuego, i want remove the dependency to compile a new version of it manually |
| 01:57.06 | citral | heh |
| 01:57.11 | romulo | that doesnt exist in deb packages yet |
| 01:57.15 | cafuego | romulo: apt-get source, then. |
| 01:57.20 | bg]knife | ok so i got the net-installer iso and i burned it. can i install it on my current set up without messing with the fedora thing (i don't know if i can re-partition) |
| 01:57.23 | Flimzy | tomb0y: In your case, the method i mentioend earlier might be better (altho it's a bit more risky... simply b/c if it doesn't work the first time, you may be SOL) |
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| 01:57.26 | iiiclaw | ::Writes down #apache least he forgets:: |
| 01:57.31 | romulo | cafuego, i dont want source |
| 01:57.34 | jetscreamer | why do i get vi when i type fc |
| 01:57.43 | cafuego | romulo: if you're compiling a package, you DO want source. |
| 01:58.03 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: Because vi is a virus, and you're infected!! |
| 01:58.05 | bg]knife | cafuego: syndns is some lazer site what? |
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| 01:58.11 | romulo | cafuego, man i already have source i downloaded from site and it is compiled on my system, but the software install the old package version cause it is a depedency |
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| 01:58.42 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: hey, we are already working day and night to slowly turning the tide back...witness SCO v. IBM trial, M$ starting smelling faintly rotten (as per a major article), Firefox spreading like wildfire, users pissed off by Apple's DRM tactics (iPod), ...we have to teach the people what Free as in freedom means :) |
| 01:58.51 | cafuego | romulo: if you install 1) A tarball it has no depends. 2) A Debian apckage, you can edit the defpends by editing the control file after getting the deb-src. |
| 01:58.58 | archpollux | romulo: then you might want to also get the source of that package, modify the dependency in debian/control and build it |
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| 01:59.19 | romulo | archpollux, my best option would be make new packages for the one that doesnt exist |
| 01:59.22 | cafuego | romulo: If you did neither of those two things, you need to explain better. |
| 01:59.37 | ferris | is there a program for debian that creates digital music? |
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| 01:59.45 | dogas_ | Hi, I'm on debian woody at the moment and I was thinking about upgrading my kernel. I'm coming from a gentoo background, and I'm pretty much used to doing everything manually. My question is, how much does debian do for me? Can I just apt-get the latest kernel image and install it? Or should I get the latest kernel from kernel.org and install manually? will that break things? |
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| 01:59.47 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: hehe :) |
| 01:59.51 | jetscreamer | there's a drum kit, so probably |
| 02:00.00 | cafuego | dogas_: Either way works. |
| 02:00.02 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: IIRC, someone (Bucky Fuller?) said that the future is whatever we make of it |
| 02:00.03 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: what MS article are you talking about, though? |
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| 02:00.17 | wolf | I have to say, debian just wouldn't start up x. I broke down and just installed knoppix |
| 02:00.19 | jetscreamer | dogas_, 2.6 you need more stuff for woody, but yes |
| 02:00.24 | jetscreamer | yes to both |
| 02:00.29 | TheBlueWizard | archpollux: hmm...lemme search (won't be easy) |
| 02:00.35 | dogas_ | alright excellent |
| 02:00.36 | wolf | knoppix is so much easier to install.... |
| 02:00.38 | travisat | dogas_: if you want to compile a kernel, use make-kpkg, part of kernel-package |
| 02:00.46 | ferris | wolf were you installing debian 64 bit? |
| 02:00.57 | wolf | I'm not sure... |
| 02:01.11 | wolf | is that for like the amd64 chipsets? |
| 02:01.15 | dogas_ | well, I was thinking about installing the kernel manually... I didn't know if that was going to taint my apt-get |
| 02:01.19 | dippo | ok, well, I moved /var/lib/dpkg/status to status.bak and re-did apt-get update |
| 02:01.21 | wolf | if so, no it was 32 bit |
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| 02:01.23 | witless | anyone here know exim? does this makes the slightest bit of sense: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LwQglD12.html |
| 02:01.26 | dippo | and it still complained , since time that it wasn't there at all |
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| 02:01.30 | dippo | so I just touched it to create it |
| 02:01.32 | witless | basically i want to pipe any email addressed to local user "orifile" to /usr/local/orifile/ProcessOriFile.py |
| 02:01.37 | dippo | and did apt-get update, and there are no errors |
| 02:01.39 | cafuego | dogas_: if you use the tools from 'kernel-package' you can simply create your own kernel-image deb file. |
| 02:01.40 | dippo | but the file is still 0 bytes |
| 02:01.41 | satHan | dippo: yay! |
| 02:01.45 | dippo | so i am not terribly confident i am all set |
| 02:02.04 | cafuego | dogas_: If you removed the status file, it no longer knows what is installed. |
| 02:02.09 | Eclipser | oh my god |
| 02:02.10 | cafuego | dippo: If you removed the status file, it no longer knows what is installed. |
| 02:02.15 | cafuego | dippo: Replace it from backup. |
| 02:02.16 | wolf | my x server kept saying "(II) No devices found.....Fatal No screens found" |
| 02:02.22 | dogas_ | cafuego: I'm on woody, so will there even be a package for the latest kernel? |
| 02:02.29 | dippo | ok, but the backup is corrupt |
| 02:02.31 | dippo | (or something) |
| 02:02.49 | jetscreamer | where do i go to ask the question 'why, when i type fc, vi/vim starts up' and get a correct answer |
| 02:03.00 | cafuego | dogas_: woody is at 2.4.18 oficially, but you can compile ain 2.4 kernel on it. |
| 02:03.04 | cafuego | any |
| 02:03.19 | dogas_ | cafuego: that's the thing.. I wanna move to 2.6 |
| 02:03.25 | satHan | jetscreamer: which fc; and then ls -ls it |
| 02:03.29 | dogas_ | cafuego: and strip the kernel down a bit |
| 02:03.30 | satHan | jetscreamer: see if its symlinked |
| 02:03.37 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: sure, brb |
| 02:03.37 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: probably just set $EDITOR |
| 02:03.41 | z36ra | found a Gateway 300 with two of those old ass 3dfx piggyback cards. Anyone ever use those? |
| 02:03.51 | cafuego | dogas_: Then you'll need some utils that will allow you ton run a 2.6 kenrel. Notably 'module-init-tools'. |
| 02:03.55 | Guerin | there is no which fc |
| 02:03.58 | cafuego | z36ra: yes |
| 02:04.00 | Flimzy | !anyone use |
| 02:04.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:04.02 | Eclipser | I wasted an hour tangling through 2.6.11.5 kernel device drivers section |
| 02:04.06 | cafuego | z36ra: But only on XF3.3.6 |
| 02:04.09 | Guerin | it seems like a builtin which calls sudo halt afterwards |
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| 02:04.26 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: back |
| 02:04.26 | dogas_ | cafuego: ok cool. I'll read up on that stuff. Thx for the info |
| 02:04.47 | citral | Guerin: type fc: fc is a shell builtin |
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| 02:05.02 | Guerin | yeah, figured as much |
| 02:05.22 | jetscreamer | how do i tell apt-file not to regex it, search only for what i type |
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| 02:05.29 | citral | builtin, undocumented, nobody knows what it's for |
| 02:05.33 | iiiclaw | which kernel is sarge? |
| 02:05.34 | archpollux | apt-file works!? |
| 02:05.45 | Guerin | iiiclaw: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 02:05.52 | jetscreamer | ah -F |
| 02:05.55 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 02:06.03 | z36ra | cafuego: yeah? I used to have one a long time ago. It needs a HD... heres the thing... Theres a ribbon cable inside the machine connecting the two but there is only one dsub connecting onboard video to one of the cards. Should there be another connecting the accel cards? |
| 02:06.05 | chealer | citral: man bash |
| 02:06.12 | Guerin | fc is used to list or edit and re-execute commands from the history list. |
| 02:06.16 | Guerin | from help fc |
| 02:06.23 | citral | my bad |
| 02:06.40 | jetscreamer | man fc was no joy but thanks |
| 02:06.47 | cafuego | z36ra: There should be a loop-through cable from the 3d card to the 2d card |
| 02:06.47 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: export EDITOR=joe; fc |
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| 02:08.36 | z36ra | cafuego: thats what i thought. I havent even powered the machine up, but the laptop I found in the same trash pile workes great but is also missing a HD. Fun stuff. |
| 02:08.57 | chealer | Flimzy: I'd say export FCEDIT |
| 02:09.01 | jetscreamer | i found a lappy but never have had a powercord or a battery to see wtf is up with it |
| 02:09.05 | archpollux | finding laptops in the trash... where do you live, man? |
| 02:09.09 | Flimzy | z36ra: need a lappy HD? |
| 02:09.11 | z36ra | Dell Latidtude CPi... runs Knoppix great |
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| 02:09.16 | z36ra | yeah |
| 02:09.23 | Flimzy | chealer: maybe, but export EDITOR worked fine for me just now. |
| 02:09.24 | z36ra | with caddy? |
| 02:09.30 | chealer | ok |
| 02:09.46 | jetscreamer | found an officejet too, works great |
| 02:09.46 | Flimzy | chealer: Most ppl probably want a single editor anyway, rather than a different editor for each shell built-in they use. |
| 02:09.48 | chealer | now that's cool, you can submit errata directly for a specific O'Reilly book |
| 02:10.03 | chealer | yeah |
| 02:10.25 | Flimzy | I found several old macs in a dumpster once... still have the laptop. I need to find a power supply to see if it works. If it does, it'll be a collector's item... the first Mac lappy ever made (not even made by Apple) |
| 02:10.47 | inviso | been trying to get pam working with apache 2 on a fresh install and failing badly. Apache asks for a user/pass, but gives bad password back. The attempt shows up in auth.log as a pam authentication failure so I think it's reaching pam. Anything common I might have missed? |
| 02:10.49 | z36ra | he |
| 02:11.08 | archpollux | TheBlueWizard: i have to go, i'll part the channel, but i'll be on the server, please PM it to me if you find it.. thanks |
| 02:11.33 | z36ra | next machine I buy is gonna be a G5... screw PC! |
| 02:11.48 | stouset | inviso: Look through your pam config to see what might be failing |
| 02:11.54 | stouset | inviso: Something like a required /etc/issue might do it |
| 02:12.00 | Flimzy | The next machine I buy will be a 5-speed. |
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| 02:12.19 | citral | a car? |
| 02:12.19 | stouset | inviso: Since apache wouldn't be able to comply with the pam_issue.so demand, theoretically |
| 02:12.25 | Flimzy | citral: aye |
| 02:12.30 | dippo | well I think I got it working again |
| 02:12.36 | dippo | but whenever I install lsof |
| 02:12.38 | dippo | it busts the status file |
| 02:12.50 | iiiclaw | i saw several 'file not found' messages while downloading the first dvd for sarge... but yet it passed the checksum test... should i be worried? |
| 02:12.54 | satHan | dippo: diff them and paste to #flood? |
| 02:13.15 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: using jidgo? |
| 02:13.19 | iiiclaw | yeah |
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| 02:13.34 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: the cheksums were probably on the individual files, not the entire image |
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| 02:13.44 | inviso | stouset: that went over my head :) in /etc/pam.d, the apache2 file is the default with pam_unix for auth and account. /etc/issue has the distro info in it. I've never worked with it before. |
| 02:13.47 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: perhaps you need to run apt-get update? |
| 02:14.11 | dippo | pasted |
| 02:14.14 | dippo | i wish there was a way to get a little more verbose detail on what exactly is wrong |
| 02:14.16 | Flimzy | iiiclaw: Or if you're on a slow connection, perhaps a few packages were updated between the time you downloaded the Packages file and got to download the package itself |
| 02:14.21 | stouset | inviso: Know much about pam? |
| 02:14.26 | inviso | stouset: nope |
| 02:14.33 | witless | anyone here know exim? does this makes the slightest bit of sense: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LwQglD12.html basically i want to pipe any email addressed to local user "orifile" to /usr/local/orifile/ProcessOriFile.py |
| 02:14.34 | satHan | dippo: weird, it looks ok... |
| 02:14.39 | stouset | inviso: if it only has an account and auth module listed, then you're missing a session module |
| 02:14.52 | stouset | invisio: just do something like "session required pam_unix.so" |
| 02:14.56 | cmartine | what umask would you use for users to not view each others directories at login? |
| 02:14.59 | inviso | stouset: hmm, ok, I'll try adding that and see what happens |
| 02:15.00 | dippo | yeah i don't see anything obvious but I am no expert on that format |
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| 02:15.58 | satHan | dippo: no architecture line? |
| 02:16.04 | iiiclaw | no, im on my windows system now dling with jigdo for win.... i got a good connection took me bout 3.5 hrs... if i run jigdo again on the same image itll try and update all the files right? so maybe thatll do it, just to be sure it has each file |
| 02:16.16 | satHan | dippo: that might be it, try adding |
| 02:16.27 | dippo | other packages don't appear to have one |
| 02:16.41 | satHan | hmm... |
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| 02:17.16 | z36ra | cafuego: how do those old 3dfx cards work with Linux? Good? Shoot! I hardly ever play games anyway... don't know why I'm asking. |
| 02:17.52 | inviso | stouset: no change in behavior. note that all the pam config is default from an apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-pam so I'm surprised I would need to add session. |
| 02:17.58 | aRieL- | hi somebody helpme with a Dhcp problem? |
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| 02:18.49 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 02:18.49 | inviso | stouset: of course, my knowledge of pam fits on the top of a very tiny pin |
| 02:19.04 | dippo | it's not a big deal if it's just a problem with the lsof package, but it sure is worrying |
| 02:19.15 | stouset | inviso: let me give it a whirl, then |
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| 02:19.37 | inviso | stouset: cool, ty |
| 02:19.55 | dippo | ok something more serious is going on |
| 02:19.56 | dippo | it's not just lsof |
| 02:20.06 | dippo | i copied the working file back over (without lsof) and installed tcpdump, which went fine, no errors |
| 02:20.09 | dippo | but it's saying it's corrupt again |
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| 02:21.46 | peterrooney | chealer: Hmmm. I'm seeing a bug report in my future... ick, ick, not fun. |
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| 02:22.35 | chealer | peterrooney: about line feeds documentation? |
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| 02:24.30 | dippo | and i just copied the old (working, minus lsof) status back, apt-get update (no error), apt-get install strace (no error), apt-get update (no error) and apt-get install lsof tcpdump again and it's all workin great |
| 02:24.36 | dippo | that's .. a little disconcerting |
| 02:25.45 | kingsley | What's a good way to exercise swap? |
| 02:25.58 | dippo | maybe i'll just pretend it never happened |
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| 02:26.01 | Todd_ | twice the memory |
| 02:26.01 | dippo | don't tell anyone |
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| 02:27.00 | Eclipser | what's a nice window damager which runs well with 64MB of ram? |
| 02:27.06 | stouset | inviso: Sorry it's takin' awhile. Having to ssh in to a remote server, and I'm seeding a few torrents. So it's going slow :-) |
| 02:27.06 | Phated | Openbox. |
| 02:27.32 | tabris|away | kingsley: try pi_fftc6 |
| 02:27.33 | inviso | stouset: heh, "I'm" the one asking for help :) never a problem |
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| 02:27.49 | peterrooney | chealer: no, about the naming. the man page is for apt_preferences, but the apt package leaves /etc/apt/ empty. I think it's natural, when reading the "apt_preferences" man page, to think that the file you have to create is going to be called "apt_preferences" - unless there is some long standign *nix tradition that i should become aware of. |
| 02:28.35 | peterrooney | chealer: s/standign/standing/ |
| 02:28.37 | Azra`el | Eclipser: i'm running fluxbox rather nicely on 64 meg |
| 02:28.44 | kingsley | tabris|away: What's pi_fftc6? |
| 02:28.46 | chealer | peterrooney: hum...it's certainly odd the O'Reilly documented that way. I sent them an Errata BTW. but the first line of the man says which file is concerned |
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| 02:29.23 | tabris|away | kingsley: a proggy that generates thousands or millions of digits of pi. it also uses LOTS of ram and it runs all over it continually. |
| 02:29.24 | Eclipser | *yawn*, compiling kernel takes forever on this computer :p |
| 02:29.33 | peterrooney | chealer: you are right, but I don't think I'm the only one to glaze over the 'headline' looking for the meat. |
| 02:29.39 | tabris|away | kingsley: thus... it will beat your VM into the ground with a 2 tonne hammer |
| 02:29.40 | kingsley | tabris|away: Which package is it in? |
| 02:29.45 | Azra`el | Eclipser: i used to use a p/100MMX.don't complain..=] |
| 02:29.53 | tabris|away | kingsley: not a clue. google it, compile it. it's small, just ~4 c files |
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| 02:30.25 | emte | anyone awake ... specifically anyone who uses the envy sound chipset |
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| 02:32.14 | emte | hmm guess not |
| 02:32.27 | tabris|away | kingsley: http://www.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~ooura/pi_fftc6_src.tgz |
| 02:32.33 | emte | explains why none of the forums have helped |
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| 02:33.18 | maximus | emte, problem? |
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| 02:33.49 | stouset | inviso: Did you read README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-auth-pam |
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| 02:34.04 | stouset | inviso: says "to use with standard Debian configuration you have to add www-data user to shadow group" |
| 02:34.08 | stouset | inviso: did you do that? :-) |
| 02:34.24 | stouset | inviso: If not, you should read that. There are security implications. |
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| 02:35.23 | inviso | stouset: ack, that's nasty. any hole in apache means an exposed shadow file :( |
| 02:35.48 | stouset | inviso: Aye. |
| 02:36.20 | stouset | inviso: I always thought pam handled that for you. |
| 02:36.20 | yotto | I'm having trouble installing on an older gateway solo laptop with a pcmcia wired nic. I get to 93% Starting PC Card Services and it hangs. |
| 02:36.30 | inviso | stouset: that's what I thought too |
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| 02:36.51 | inviso | stouset: and I don't recall having problems with other distros, but maybe I'm ldap everywhere else... |
| 02:37.22 | stouset | inviso: Maybe :-) I'm sure there's a workaround. |
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| 02:37.51 | inviso | stouset: a custom suid script could marshal the access, but that seems really lame |
| 02:38.07 | inviso | stouset: and again, I thought that was pams job :) |
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| 02:40.42 | pipeline | How does one automate installation of "recommended" or "suggested" packages along with dependencies? |
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| 02:42.59 | fevel | i have installed debian sarge with only 1 cd...is there a way I can install the other 2 cds i downloaded?? My sistem is up and running |
| 02:43.07 | stouset | inviso: Sorry I couldn't have been more help :-) |
| 02:43.29 | inviso | stouset: thanks for sending me in the right direction.. I'm going to do some digging and see if there's a better way around it. The official mod_auth_pam site says the same thing though. http://pam.sourceforge.net/mod_auth_pam/shadow.html |
| 02:43.33 | pipeline | fevel: You can use apt-cdrom to add them as package sources, but it's not necessary that you do so. |
| 02:44.29 | fevel | i did, but that way i need to know the name of the package, cant i install all the packages on the cd automatically? |
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| 02:45.14 | maximus | fevel, if you dont know the name you probably dont need it yet |
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| 02:45.27 | fevel | i understand your point |
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| 02:47.22 | riot | I have a problem with lessdisk. It won't install the core packages (Says GLIBC_2.3 were not found). What should i do now? |
| 02:47.36 | fevel | youre actually right maximus, why would i install a bunch of packages i wont even use...LOL |
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| 02:48.03 | fevel | i just didnt like the thought that i burned two cds for nothing |
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| 02:48.46 | tomb0y | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.48 | riot | (I'm trying to install woody (on woody :) because sarge and sid didn't even start downloading packages..) |
| 02:48.54 | Azra`el | HI |
| 02:48.57 | quitte | does someone know if tic is architecture dependant? |
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| 02:49.35 | DoctaBu | CRAP. |
| 02:50.35 | DoctaBu | Ok, whenever I try installing Debian sarge using the 100MB CD, it reads everything, then gives me an error telling me it can't read from the CDROM drive, which it clearly can, because I installed woody just before on it. Am I just stuck?! |
| 02:50.56 | riot | DoctaBu: Maybe your media is stuck.. |
| 02:50.57 | Azra`el | DoctaBu: did you md5sum the cd? |
| 02:51.28 | Eclipser | whoo |
| 02:51.29 | DoctaBu | I downloaded it on two different computers, burned it on two different computers, md5'd it |
| 02:51.29 | Eclipser | it booted |
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| 02:51.29 | DoctaBu | It checks out. |
| 02:51.32 | riot | Has anyone yet installed lessdisks successfully? Using which dists? |
| 02:51.34 | maximus | DoctaBu, is your cdrom mounted |
| 02:51.38 | DoctaBu | I have no idea. |
| 02:51.43 | DoctaBu | This is in the installer |
| 02:51.59 | bg]knife | i am on the setup for hte net-install, which mirror should i use? |
| 02:52.00 | useruser | DoctaBu: alt-f2, hit enter, type mount |
| 02:52.25 | riot | Or does anyone know of any support-channel/documentation to lessdisks? |
| 02:52.33 | DoctaBu | /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 on /cdrom type iso1660 (ro) is the last one, useruser |
| 02:52.58 | Sero | Can anyone tell me how to kill Azureus? I have it saying java -cp running 8 million times. |
| 02:53.23 | iiiclaw | ctrl-c ? |
| 02:53.53 | maximus | Sero, killall -HUP Azureus |
| 02:54.21 | Sero | maximus, it says no process killed. |
| 02:54.23 | Sero | It's like a beast. |
| 02:55.07 | riot | Sero: Find out its PID using "ps ax" and kill it by hand. Maybe with -9 instead of -HUP. |
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| 02:56.01 | Azra`el | sero: reboot! |
| 02:56.42 | riot | reboot?! Like using windoze, eh? |
| 02:57.21 | riot | whoa.. I just found out, lessdisks is not part of woody - that must be my problem.. damnit |
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| 02:58.18 | riot | Fsck. Now i havta distupgrade my server... no way! |
| 02:58.47 | maximus | no back port? |
| 02:58.55 | DoctaBu | useruesr |
| 02:58.57 | DoctaBu | useruser* |
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| 02:59.13 | turbotech | !users |
| 02:59.13 | dpkg | users is probably Mithrandi |
| 02:59.14 | Guerin | riot: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 03:00.35 | De_Mon | are there any image viewers that work with zip/rar/tar.gz archives? |
| 03:01.25 | maximus | De_Mon, ark |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | De_Mon: any of them, in conjunction with a simple shell oneliner |
| 03:01.59 | riot | Guerin: thanks, trying that out. It has packages for sarge & sid, though + an own repository... hmm No word not to install using woody.. |
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| 03:02.35 | Kempston | is there a way to tell lynx which interface to use while making http requests to web ? |
| 03:02.55 | sussudio | man lynx |
| 03:03.00 | Kempston | i did |
| 03:03.05 | Kempston | havn't found it |
| 03:03.39 | sussudio | then there is not. problem solved. question wasted. |
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| 03:03.52 | Azra`el | harsh |
| 03:03.57 | Kempston | there must be some workaround then |
| 03:04.31 | sussudio | specify a proxy |
| 03:04.31 | Azra`el | Kempston: it's called "route" |
| 03:04.31 | Guerin | riot: it's generally unwise to do so unless you're really sure about what you're doing, which you clearly aren't |
| 03:04.41 | Eclipser | now I need to learn how to use fluxbox :< |
| 03:04.57 | Kempston | sussudio but proxy will make requests from specific interface |
| 03:05.14 | Eclipser | amazing though, I haven't had any problems with this laptop & debian so far |
| 03:05.31 | ansong | Eclipser, what make/model notebook? |
| 03:05.36 | Kempston | Azra`el that's different |
| 03:05.44 | Kempston | i'm talking about bind |
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| 03:05.58 | Azra`el | Eclipser: i wouldn't put debian on a laptop. =) |
| 03:06.07 | Azra`el | but i hear alot of people liking it. |
| 03:06.12 | travisat | I use and love debian on my laptop |
| 03:06.23 | De_Mon | Guerin I was thinking more in the way of a GUI with archive support, but a shell script is certainly worth looking into. |
| 03:06.23 | Eclipser | Azra`el, why not?-p |
| 03:06.25 | pipeline | I use and tolerate debian on my laptop. |
| 03:06.27 | tony_wt | Kempston: check if your /etc/resolv.conf has correct nameservers |
| 03:06.31 | Eclipser | ansong, Compaq Armada E500 |
| 03:06.43 | Azra`el | Eclipser: Very, Very generic kernels. and it's a pain in the ass to compile your own. |
| 03:06.44 | pipeline | Eclipser: Learning to use fluxbox is a waste of your time. Install a real desktop. |
| 03:06.45 | sussudio | COMPAQQQ |
| 03:06.56 | travisat | its the only distro I used so far that fully supports everything but my lid button |
| 03:06.56 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 03:06.58 | Azra`el | pipeline: 64 meg of ram bitch |
| 03:07.00 | ansong | Azra`el, i've run mandrake, then gentoo and then debian on my old i8k. and aside from user error, debian has been fine on my new Evo |
| 03:07.07 | Eclipser | pipeline, suggestiongs accepted, I have only 64MB ram :) |
| 03:07.11 | Kempston | tony_wt it has and i don't think it has anything to do with the problem |
| 03:07.16 | Eclipser | -g |
| 03:07.17 | pipeline | Azra`el, Eclipser: And running fluxbox saves you exactly zero MB of RAM unless you run no applications. |
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| 03:07.32 | pipeline | Azra`el, Eclipser: Running mozilla? BAM you just loaded all the libraries required for xfce. |
| 03:07.50 | Azra`el | pipeline: HI! |
| 03:08.02 | Azra`el | running for example, KDE |
| 03:08.08 | pipeline | Azra`el, Eclipser: There's a reason we use shared libraries these days. Ultrix, libc4 etc sucked ass. |
| 03:08.11 | Azra`el | with all the background crap killed. |
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| 03:08.22 | Azra`el | 90+ meg used. |
| 03:08.26 | pipeline | Azra`el: There's no such thing as "KDE with all the background crap killed" -- you still need 40-80M of libraries. |
| 03:08.40 | Azra`el | pipeline, rather than argue with you? |
| 03:08.46 | pipeline | *shrug* |
| 03:08.52 | pipeline | But if you load *any* KDE app you load those libraries. |
| 03:09.01 | abrotman | karsten: PING!! |
| 03:09.01 | pipeline | What applications could you possibly be using with fluxbox? |
| 03:09.16 | simonrvn | use lsof sometime while kde stuff is running, and then without. then you'll see pipeline has a point |
| 03:09.19 | gravity | ugh... stupid desktop wars |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | kde is for windows users! |
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| 03:09.33 | Guerin | ratpoison 4 evar |
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| 03:10.00 | Azra`el | simonrvn, rather than pipeline being a bitch, he _could_ just make suggestions. =) |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | gravity: that's petty |
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| 03:10.22 | pipeline | Azra`el: I suggest you run Gnome, xfce, or KDE. |
| 03:10.23 | Eclipser | pipeline, xterm/vim, xterm/ssh, xterm/links :p |
| 03:10.31 | gravity | abrotman: Nah, it's practical. If I have to deal with them, it's a problem |
| 03:10.34 | Azra`el | pipeline: you're cut. |
| 03:10.42 | gravity | abrotman: Besides, I have my own minimal wm :-) |
| 03:10.45 | pipeline | Eclipser: links? well, that's one problem solved. |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | gravity: if it's not blackbox .. i don't care :) |
| 03:10.54 | travisat | gravity: eh? |
| 03:11.25 | travisat | pwm3 is decent |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | travisat: he's saying he's a DD |
| 03:11.44 | travisat | abrotman: I know that, wondering the wm |
| 03:11.47 | gravity | Yeah, I didn't code a wm. I just maintain one |
| 03:11.49 | gravity | travisat: pwm |
| 03:12.00 | travisat | gravity: groovy |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | groovy? |
| 03:12.14 | travisat | groovy gravity |
| 03:12.25 | travisat | its all gravy |
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| 03:13.47 | bilo | hello |
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| 03:14.09 | bilo | i am an absolute debian noob... used to gentoo... hoping somebody can help me with some basic Q |
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| 03:14.25 | pipeline | bilo: Ask questions rather than asking to ask |
| 03:14.29 | bhearsum | if i pass mem=1024m to my kernel at boot, should it not switch into highmem mode? (this is on 2.6.8-2-386 for what its worth) |
| 03:14.30 | tomb0y | ok im beginning to think this sarge net install is no good |
| 03:14.31 | bilo | lol |
| 03:14.41 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 03:14.45 | Eclipser | xfce4 seems nice |
| 03:14.46 | chealer | travisat: about the vesa problem, here are the choices I had : Mode : COLSxROWS: \n 0 0F00 80x25 \n 1 0F01 80x50 \n 2 0F02 80x43 \n 3 0F03 80x28 \n 4 0F05 80x30 \n 5 0F06 80x34 \n 6 0F07 80x60 \n 7 0309 132x25 \n 8 030A 132x43 \n 9 030B 132x50 \n a 030C 132x60 |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | why doesn't karsten love me ? |
| 03:15.02 | bilo | earlier, i "apt-get install postfix"... in the process, i got an auto-config for postfix... i removed postfix and then re-installed it later... this time i didn't get the auto-config |
| 03:15.07 | bilo | is there some way to force it? |
| 03:15.15 | travisat | chealer: oh, it gave you those, not the hex or decimal |
| 03:15.25 | chealer | bilo: it's already configured. you must purge to do otherwise |
| 03:15.47 | tomb0y | dpkg --configure postfix |
| 03:16.17 | deepfrze | bilo: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
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| 03:16.47 | chealer | travisat: no... |
| 03:17.22 | chealer | bilo: you can either remove a package or purge it to remove configuration. read the APT HOWTO if you wish |
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| 03:17.37 | travisat | chealer: if 80x25 won't work, it should work for most every configuration |
| 03:18.14 | chealer | travisat: it's not a matter of working, what I want is to avoid loading vesafb at boot |
| 03:18.25 | travisat | chealer: I don't believe it is possible |
| 03:18.35 | chealer | unless you know for sure a way to keep it from conflicting with NVIDIA's driver |
| 03:18.43 | travisat | chealer: does it? |
| 03:19.02 | travisat | chealer: you could blacklist it |
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| 03:19.10 | chealer | travisat: I had a hard lockup vt-switching |
| 03:19.23 | chealer | travisat: it's already blacklisted apparently without effect |
| 03:19.31 | green_earz | bilo: have a look at the link, its may be of use to setup postfix > http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html |
| 03:19.48 | chealer | does somebody know if it's possible to keep vesafb from loading with a 2.6 kernel-image? |
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| 03:20.12 | Guerin | !tell chealer about blacklist |
| 03:20.13 | travisat | chealer: hmmm, it shouldn't load by default...do you have it compiled in to the kernel |
| 03:20.16 | Azra`el | how'd you make it load? |
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| 03:21.29 | chealer | Guerin: that's what I did. I suppose vesafb is a "core" module or whatever...do you have a clue what would override the blacklist? |
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| 03:22.22 | StevenYang | hello |
| 03:22.26 | chealer | don't talk about the "core" module stuff I invent, I'm a kernel newbie :) |
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| 03:22.45 | chealer | travisat: no, I'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 03:23.26 | chealer | is there anyone using a 2.6 kernel image that doesn't have vesafb loaded? |
| 03:23.48 | Azra`el | chealer,ME. for one. |
| 03:23.50 | travisat | chealer: it shouldn't be loading by default, remove all instances of vga or video in you kernel line in menu.lst or lilo.blah, and if it still loads it must be a problem with discover |
| 03:23.58 | travisat | or hotplug |
| 03:24.03 | grumpydog | hiya bucky |
| 03:24.12 | bucky | hay |
| 03:24.12 | chealer | Azra`el: hum, interesting. what's your image package? |
| 03:24.14 | maximus | chealer, you might need to blacklist in discover.conf and hotplug |
| 03:24.19 | DoctaBu | AGH |
| 03:24.25 | DoctaBu | So can anybody help me out? |
| 03:24.36 | Azra`el | chealer: 2.6.10 from kernel.org, compiled for my laptop. |
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| 03:24.58 | DoctaBu | My CD of sarge with the netinstall for some reason will not recognize my CDROM drive correctly after running through the beginning of the installer |
| 03:25.00 | chealer | Azra`el: is that what's called a kernel image? what I mean is a stock debian kernel anyway |
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| 03:25.33 | chealer | yeah ok forget what I said about kernel images? I meant "is there anyone using a 2.6 stock kernel that doesn't have vesafb loaded?" |
| 03:25.35 | grumpydog | bucky please mail me I an on the phone with Dad |
| 03:25.35 | Azra`el | chealer, i know. i'm giving you shit about it |
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| 03:25.43 | bucky | okay |
| 03:26.00 | scooter | \q |
| 03:26.14 | grumpydog | I hope you are well buckky.....take care dudr |
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| 03:26.18 | DoctaBu | Any idea?? |
| 03:26.22 | bucky | yep |
| 03:26.29 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 03:26.42 | Guerin | more itunes shite in the news |
| 03:26.44 | chealer | maximus: it's already blacklisted in both of these ways |
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| 03:27.00 | green_earz | DoctaBu: try a current version of the sarge net installer may help > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050321/ |
| 03:27.14 | Guerin | i can't believe people paying $1 for 128kbit drm crap |
| 03:27.33 | chealer | travisat: there's no instance of vga or video in you kernel line in menu.lst |
| 03:27.41 | green_earz | DoctaBu: did you get the debian base to install ? |
| 03:27.49 | DoctaBu | no, I didn't |
| 03:27.58 | maximus | chealer, recompile without it |
| 03:27.58 | DoctaBu | BUT, earlier, I got woody running fine |
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| 03:28.38 | travisat | chealer: I don't know what to say, temporarily move the vesafb.ko to somewhere safe and test it |
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| 03:28.53 | chealer | maximus: I'd do anything to avoid having to compile a kernel. I mean, a working one :) |
| 03:29.00 | green_earz | DoctaBu: I would say try a current version of the sarge net installer |
| 03:29.10 | chealer | travisat: ah, that may be a good idea |
| 03:29.46 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:30.34 | chealer | travisat: I'll check the BTS about discover |
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| 03:30.51 | Eclipser | ... |
| 03:31.11 | Eclipser | how can I get alt+number working properly in xterm?-p |
| 03:31.25 | Eclipser | or hmm, I think I better use Eterm instead |
| 03:31.35 | sussudio | badgerterm |
| 03:31.46 | Eclipser | or maybe not... any other suggestions?-p |
| 03:31.48 | travisat | Eclipser: make sure your wm, or something else hasn't already captured alt+# events |
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| 03:32.13 | Eclipser | alt+2 for example outputs ē |
| 03:32.31 | DoctaBu | green_earz |
| 03:32.38 | alice|wl | any help getting mod_defined for apache 1.3.6 on woody, cant find in in apt or google or anywhere |
| 03:32.53 | DoctaBu | Here. |
| 03:32.57 | travisat | Eclipser: thats xterm, use urxvt or aterm or eterm |
| 03:33.09 | bung__ | 1.3.6? retro. |
| 03:33.17 | Eclipser | travisat, that's what I said :) |
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| 03:33.40 | bung__ | what's mod_defined? |
| 03:33.46 | alice|wl | bung__: woody |
| 03:33.55 | DoctaBu | Green_earz- my main problem is that the only thing I have to access the web with on this computer is its wireless card. It needs a driver, and I'd need to install it or something. The sarge CD I downloaded I downloladed on two computers, burned it a total of three times, and md5'd checked all of it. |
| 03:34.03 | chealer | alice|wl: must be 1.3.26 |
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| 03:34.13 | alice|wl | its a module for apache, its something about arbitary directive definition |
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| 03:34.25 | Xenguy | travisat: /b |
| 03:34.28 | Xenguy | sorry |
| 03:34.28 | alice|wl | chealer: yeah :) |
| 03:34.43 | Xenguy | travisat: urxvt ? |
| 03:34.53 | travisat | Xenguy: best term |
| 03:35.02 | DoctaBu | green_earz? |
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| 03:35.25 | Xenguy | travisat: I know 'rxvt' but 'apt-cache search urxvt' finds nothing for me |
| 03:35.48 | hdo781 | Could someone please help me to play CDs? |
| 03:35.55 | travisat | Xenguy: rxvt-unicode for apt-get |
| 03:36.01 | gravity | hdo781: What's your problem exactly? |
| 03:36.05 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: what version is the netinstall cd |
| 03:36.07 | Guerin | rxvt-unicode-ml is better |
| 03:36.10 | DoctaBu | uhhh |
| 03:36.13 | DoctaBu | I don't know. |
| 03:36.14 | Guerin | it does cjk |
| 03:36.15 | maher | DoctaBu: doesn't the box have a wired network card? |
| 03:36.22 | Xenguy | travisat: ahhh, OK, tx |
| 03:36.27 | travisat | Guerin: I don't use cjk |
| 03:36.35 | hdo781 | I'm using Sarge. How do I even get the CD to play? Do I use xmms? |
| 03:36.36 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: the date |
| 03:36.49 | gravity | hdo781: You can, or you can use another cd playing app |
| 03:36.50 | maher | hdo781: xmms has a cd plugin, or use xmcd |
| 03:36.50 | green_earz | DoctaBu: have you run the integrity check on the cds. boot the cd 1 and when you can move back to the main menu of the installer and pick cd integrity check |
| 03:36.56 | DoctaBu | No, it doesn't, maher |
| 03:37.01 | Guerin | travisat: you never know when you might need to |
| 03:37.07 | Guerin | travisat: or want to |
| 03:37.11 | DoctaBu | I did that, green_earz |
| 03:37.12 | maher | DoctaBu: really? what is it? |
| 03:37.12 | DoctaBu | I think |
| 03:37.19 | Guerin | or just wonder what's under those annoying boxes |
| 03:37.34 | DoctaBu | it's a really old, crappy laptop. |
| 03:37.35 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 03:37.48 | DoctaBu | but I successfully loaded woody on it earlier |
| 03:37.53 | maher | DoctaBu: how much ram? |
| 03:37.57 | hdo781 | Okay. Let me install xmcd with apt-get. |
| 03:37.57 | DoctaBu | 64MB |
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| 03:38.14 | DoctaBu | ok so it's going through the install process right now |
| 03:38.18 | DoctaBu | Deetecting hardware to find CDROM |
| 03:38.22 | DoctaBu | then a pause... |
| 03:38.42 | DoctaBu | then.. |
| 03:38.43 | Guerin | DoctaBu: just the facts |
| 03:38.44 | maher | DoctaBu: should be enough - try installing woody and upgrading the kernel |
| 03:38.45 | DoctaBu | Scanning CD-ROM |
| 03:38.50 | DoctaBu | Then Error |
| 03:38.52 | Guerin | this isn't a fucking game of golf |
| 03:38.59 | green_earz | DoctaBu: try installing the 2.6 kernel from the very beginging of a install by typing linux26 at the very first promtp of the boot |
| 03:39.07 | DoctaBu | When I check CDROM integrity |
| 03:39.21 | DoctaBu | I get "The CDROM you have inserted is not a valid Debian CDROM. Please change the disk." |
| 03:39.26 | DoctaBu | But, it definitely is. |
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| 03:39.38 | DoctaBu | I've md5 checked it |
| 03:39.43 | DoctaBu | Aand burned it from different cds |
| 03:39.50 | DoctaBu | I'll try that now, green_earz |
| 03:40.00 | DoctaBu | Yes, I know, Guerin. |
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| 03:40.19 | travisat | DoctaBu: if it was golf you lost |
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| 03:40.33 | DoctaBu | ;p; |
| 03:40.34 | DoctaBu | lol* |
| 03:40.42 | DoctaBu | ok. when i did that, the computer just turned off lol |
| 03:40.46 | DoctaBu | I think I'm going to plug it in now... |
| 03:40.49 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 03:40.50 | maher | DoctaBu: what model laptop |
| 03:40.54 | green_earz | DoctaBu: there may be a error because of the cd media > "The CDROM you have inserted is not a valid Debian CDROM. |
| 03:40.55 | DoctaBu | dell cpx |
| 03:41.07 | DoctaBu | But, I used hte same media to install woody with no problem |
| 03:41.15 | DoctaBu | and I tried different computers writing it |
| 03:41.19 | DoctaBu | and I evne switched types of CDs |
| 03:41.22 | maher | DoctaBu: what's wrong with woody, then upgrade |
| 03:41.43 | DoctaBu | ok, well... |
| 03:41.50 | DoctaBu | I need some way of connecting to the internet |
| 03:42.12 | green_earz | DoctaBu: use the sarge cds |
| 03:42.25 | DoctaBu | ...? |
| 03:42.38 | green_earz | DoctaBu: install woody the upgrade from the sarge cds |
| 03:42.43 | DoctaBu | oh |
| 03:42.49 | DoctaBu | do you have a link for the sarge cds? |
| 03:43.17 | DoctaBu | (is there a way in woody in which I can get a wireless connection and then do a net upgrade?) |
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| 03:43.22 | maximus | DoctaBu, no you have them in front of you |
| 03:43.35 | DoctaBu | No, I don't. I have the netinstall CD. |
| 03:43.49 | DoctaBu | That I was told by two people in here to get and install. |
| 03:43.58 | green_earz | DoctaBu: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050321/ |
| 03:44.11 | DoctaBu | that's what I have |
| 03:44.13 | DoctaBu | the netinst |
| 03:44.23 | DoctaBu | that's the only CD I need? |
| 03:44.30 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 03:44.36 | DoctaBu | So, should I boot into woody and do a command from in there? |
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| 03:44.58 | maher | DoctaBu: what driver/kernel does your card need? |
| 03:45.25 | DoctaBu | Well... I have two. One seems to be supported right with woody, my linksys card |
| 03:45.34 | maher | DoctaBu: use that then |
| 03:45.36 | DoctaBu | But my other card, my orinoco gold, needs an orinoco_cs driver |
| 03:45.38 | DoctaBu | Ok, I did. |
| 03:45.48 | DoctaBu | However, it doesn't know what I'm talkin' about when I tryiwconfig |
| 03:45.56 | maher | DoctaBu: so if you have woody + network, then just upgrade |
| 03:46.04 | DoctaBu | I don't have network. |
| 03:46.09 | Cyanophytes | is there a way to change the funchtion of ctrl+alt+delete to shutdown instead of reboot |
| 03:46.18 | maximus | DoctaBu, do you have all woody cd's |
| 03:46.22 | DoctaBu | How do I get a wireless network? |
| 03:46.23 | DoctaBu | No, just one. |
| 03:46.25 | maher | DoctaBu: does the linksys card work |
| 03:46.31 | DoctaBu | it "works." |
| 03:46.39 | DoctaBu | But I don't knwo how to configure it to get on a network. |
| 03:46.57 | maher | DoctaBu: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use etherconf |
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| 03:47.11 | maximus | DoctaBu, well put it in and try apt-get wireless-tools |
| 03:47.21 | DoctaBu | I did. |
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| 03:47.26 | maher | DoctaBu: and? |
| 03:47.34 | DoctaBu | I did, maximus. |
| 03:47.39 | DoctaBu | maher, I didn't do that one |
| 03:47.41 | DoctaBu | I'll try it/ |
| 03:47.42 | DoctaBu | ? |
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| 03:48.03 | maher | DoctaBu: if you read the install guide it would tell you how to set up your network |
| 03:48.22 | m4lu5 | damn, taht is just odd. cdrom keeps opening, and closing, and opening, an closing |
| 03:48.41 | hdo781 | I'm trying to configure my xmcd. I have a Samsung SN-324F CDRW/DVD. I'm trying to select the Samsung drive model isn't listed. What do I do? |
| 03:48.48 | DoctaBu | m4lu5: that's the cupholder option. |
| 03:48.54 | m4lu5 | gf's telling me it's possessed, but i say, "no, it's just a dell" |
| 03:48.56 | maximus | m4lu5, possesed maybe |
| 03:48.56 | DoctaBu | Eeeesh, maher. Sorry. |
| 03:49.03 | gehennasbane | I'm having some trouble with my sound card (on-board), it's not even being detected. I'm running Gnome and I've tried oss, alsa, arts, and esd with Gstreamer. None of the configurations so much as squeaked. |
| 03:49.07 | DoctaBu | Maher, Most of the manual really confuses |
| 03:49.09 | DoctaBu | mee |
| 03:49.25 | m4lu5 | i threw a disc in, and mounted it. let's see if the f**ker stays shut now |
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| 03:49.48 | maximus | DoctaBu, sarge cd 1 http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso |
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| 03:50.05 | hdo781 | gravity. Are you ther? |
| 03:50.15 | gravity | hdo781: Yes. What's up? |
| 03:50.29 | DoctaBu | hmmm ok |
| 03:50.59 | DoctaBu | maher, how do I do etherconf |
| 03:51.00 | hdo781 | I'm trying to configure my xmcd. I'm trying to select a drive model, but it doesn't seem to be a choice. |
| 03:51.08 | chealer | Cyanophytes: man inittab might help you |
| 03:51.09 | maher | DoctaBu: type etherconf as root |
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| 03:51.15 | DoctaBu | command not found |
| 03:51.22 | maher | DoctaBu: install it |
| 03:51.23 | hdo781 | I'm using a Samsung SN-324F |
| 03:51.28 | gravity | hdo781: You probably want the "none of the above" option. I doubt you use scsi |
| 03:51.39 | hdo781 | Okay |
| 03:52.12 | maher | DoctaBu: you have a full woody cd right? it should be on there |
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| 03:53.13 | DoctaBu | Yeah, ok, I installed it |
| 03:53.20 | DoctaBu | But now it says it cant find an ethernet card |
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| 03:53.36 | DoctaBu | it _is_ a wireless card, which needs a different kind of configging |
| 03:53.36 | maher | DoctaBu: does iwconfig find your card |
| 03:53.58 | DoctaBu | Thats the thing- iwconfig command doesn't work |
| 03:54.08 | maher | DoctaBu: what does it say |
| 03:54.26 | DoctaBu | "command not found" |
| 03:54.36 | hdo781 | gravity: Thanks for the suggestion. xmcd is working beautifully right now. |
| 03:54.38 | stew | DoctaBu: you have a knoppix cd or somehting that boots the machine onto the network? do that and debootstrap it |
| 03:54.41 | maher | DoctaBu: well install it |
| 03:54.43 | gravity | hdo781: Glad to hear it :-) |
| 03:54.48 | DoctaBu | it's not found on the apt-get |
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| 03:55.03 | findme | other than k3b which s/w can i use to make audio cd's ? |
| 03:55.12 | stew | DoctaBu: iwconfig is in wireless-tools |
| 03:55.13 | hdo781 | gravity: Do you know a program that allows me to convert CDs into mp3s? |
| 03:55.19 | DoctaBu | that's what I thought, stew, however. |
| 03:55.20 | gravity | hdo781: I like grip myself |
| 03:55.21 | DoctaBu | ... |
| 03:55.24 | maher | hdo781: try abcde |
| 03:55.25 | DoctaBu | it can't find htat on the apt-get |
| 03:55.29 | gravity | hdo781: I've used it for years. Rhythmbox also works. |
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| 03:55.40 | findme | hdo781, try bladeenc |
| 03:55.44 | maher | DoctaBu: try apt-cache search wireless |
| 03:55.56 | hdo781 | How about any programs that convert CDs to m4a? |
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| 03:56.12 | chealer | travisat: I checked the BTS and found nothing, and upgraded discover1-data which didn't help |
| 03:56.14 | DoctaBu | "package wireless-tools has no available version, but exists in teh database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list" |
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| 03:56.46 | gravity | chealer: What's wrong with discover1? |
| 03:56.49 | stew | info wireless-tools woody |
| 03:56.51 | DoctaBu | maher: "pcmcia-cs - PCMCiA Card Services for Linux" |
| 03:57.00 | stew | !info wireless-tools woody |
| 03:57.04 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is extra. Version: 23-2 (woody), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 03:57.19 | Cyanophytes | chealer: thanks |
| 03:57.31 | chealer | gravity: travisat said it might be discover's fault if vesafb is loading even though it's blacklisted (without vga or video boot options) |
| 03:57.34 | stew | DoctaBu: you can always download wireless tools from packages.debian.org/wireless-tools |
| 03:57.36 | DoctaBu | So, what does that mean, stew? |
| 03:57.44 | DoctaBu | well, I can't download it on that computer |
| 03:57.45 | gravity | chealer: You can tell discover1 not to load it. |
| 03:57.46 | chealer | do you think I should try discover2? |
| 03:57.47 | stew | DoctaBu: it means that your sources.list is probably broken |
| 03:57.56 | DoctaBu | or it's not on the CD. |
| 03:58.07 | DoctaBu | stew- can I download it, write it on a cd, then read it with the debian pc? |
| 03:58.08 | stew | oh, you are trying to apt-get off the cd? |
| 03:58.08 | chealer | gravity: hum...how...as I said I blacklisted it |
| 03:58.10 | gravity | chealer: Just put "disable vesafb" in /etc/discover.conf |
| 03:58.12 | DoctaBu | yes!! |
| 03:58.14 | DoctaBu | I have no other way |
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| 03:58.16 | stew | DoctaBu: yes |
| 03:58.19 | DoctaBu | there is no wired ethernet port |
| 03:58.19 | chealer | gravity: I put skip |
| 03:58.21 | DoctaBu | ok, I can? |
| 03:58.26 | maximus | DoctaBu, just download wireless-tools and dependancies and copy to cd |
| 03:58.31 | stew | DoctaBu: but you would need all the dependencies |
| 03:58.36 | DoctaBu | what dependancies are there |
| 03:58.37 | gravity | chealer: Ah, that should work. Do you have it blacklisted in hotplug as well? |
| 03:58.39 | maher | DoctaBu: dl the debs you need and write them to cd if nec |
| 03:58.46 | stew | !depends wireless-tools woody |
| 03:58.49 | DoctaBu | I don't know what they are, where to find hteem, eetc. |
| 03:58.50 | dpkg | wireless-tools: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) |
| 03:58.54 | DoctaBu | ok;. |
| 03:58.58 | chealer | gravity: wait a minute, it's commented now! ugh! rebooting |
| 03:58.59 | DoctaBu | !info libc5 |
| 03:59.00 | DoctaBu | oops. |
| 03:59.03 | DoctaBu | !info libc6 |
| 03:59.03 | dpkg | libc5: (The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libraries).), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 5.4.46-15 (sid), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 03:59.03 | gravity | chealer: :-) |
| 03:59.05 | chealer | gravity: yes |
| 03:59.06 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
| 03:59.08 | stew | none, you alreadyhave libc6 |
| 03:59.10 | Logaan | Hi, I have some questions about using preseeding for the debian installer. Anyone know if its possible to use partman-auto with multiple hard disks? |
| 03:59.13 | DoctaBu | ok. |
| 03:59.18 | DoctaBu | so, I can ajust download that/ |
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| 03:59.35 | DoctaBu | Can you help me once I burn it and stuff? |
| 03:59.38 | stew | DoctaBu: do you have a driver for your card loaded? |
| 03:59.57 | DoctaBu | I have one I'd like to load... |
| 03:59.58 | DoctaBu | orinoco_cs |
| 04:00.02 | DoctaBu | for the card I want to end up using |
| 04:00.09 | DoctaBu | I think this one may have one already installed. |
| 04:00.12 | slocate | question, in the kernel 2.6.* where do you set it to, say beep? |
| 04:00.16 | DoctaBu | I'm not SURE if it's recognized it |
| 04:00.43 | stew | what happens when you load the driver? |
| 04:00.50 | DoctaBu | what driver? orinoco_cs? |
| 04:00.53 | stew | yes |
| 04:00.54 | DoctaBu | I haven't tried. |
| 04:01.03 | DoctaBu | I didn't know its dependancies and whatnot. |
| 04:01.06 | stew | why aren't you just doing a net-install with sarge? |
| 04:01.14 | DoctaBu | I am a complete IDIOT when it comes to linux. |
| 04:01.15 | DoctaBu | Agh! |
| 04:01.24 | stew | !d-i DoctaBu |
| 04:01.25 | DoctaBu | I can't connect EXCEPT through this wireless card |
| 04:01.28 | dpkg | DoctaBu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:01.28 | DoctaBu | stew, |
| 04:01.40 | stew | DoctaBu, |
| 04:02.02 | DoctaBu | (trying to find what I wrote earlier) |
| 04:02.17 | DoctaBu | my main problem is that the only thing I have to access the web with on this computer is its wireless card. It needs a driver, and I'd need to install it or something. The sarge CD I downloaded I downloladed on two computers, burned it a total of three times, and md5'd checked all of it. |
| 04:02.21 | findme | other than k3b which s/w can i use to make audio cd's ? |
| 04:02.30 | DoctaBu | And the sarge cd will not read correctly. |
| 04:02.32 | stew | DoctaBu: sounds good so far |
| 04:02.33 | DoctaBu | It gives me an error |
| 04:02.46 | stew | does it work in any other computers? |
| 04:02.50 | DoctaBu | I don't know. |
| 04:02.53 | DoctaBu | I should try. |
| 04:02.55 | stew | yes |
| 04:02.56 | DoctaBu | :) |
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| 04:03.04 | slocate | question, in the kernel 2.6.* where do you set it to beep? there is NO beeping |
| 04:03.24 | stew | !beep |
| 04:03.24 | dpkg | well, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 04:03.43 | stew | well only the first sentence is applicable |
| 04:03.44 | stew | !bell |
| 04:03.45 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. |
| 04:03.55 | stew | and thats the opposite of what you want |
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| 04:04.48 | slocate | stew: but it does beep in 2.4.29 |
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| 04:04.57 | stew | !works in 2.4 |
| 04:04.57 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 04:05.17 | slocate | lol |
| 04:05.17 | findme | grey cat will be a millionaire soon |
| 04:05.22 | Guerin | already is |
| 04:05.41 | slocate | i never thought i wold miss beeps |
| 04:05.46 | slocate | would* |
| 04:05.56 | Guerin | beepage bad |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | we hatesss it |
| 04:06.05 | nvz | I heard greycat say he was going to start a company called fucking, and sell one of everything |
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| 04:06.12 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:06.32 | maximus | DoctaBu, is installer burnt onto rw cd |
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| 04:06.49 | DoctaBu | No. |
| 04:06.51 | slocate | I just found it weird that i gets no beeps with this kernel |
| 04:06.56 | DoctaBu | Ok, I tried it on a different PC |
| 04:06.58 | DoctaBu | and it loads fine. |
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| 04:07.32 | DoctaBu | crap! and on that computer, i see that the driver I need is on the CD! |
| 04:07.34 | DoctaBu | Gwar!!! |
| 04:08.15 | DoctaBu | the drives are hotswappable |
| 04:08.22 | DoctaBu | I'll try it in a different laptop with the same CDROM drive... |
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| 04:11.36 | DoctaBu | Ok it's still not working... |
| 04:11.41 | DoctaBu | I guess it could be the CDROM drive, huh |
| 04:11.49 | cafuego | DoctaBu: Is it in the union? |
| 04:12.19 | maher | DoctaBu: can you put the hd in the computer with a working cdrom? |
| 04:12.34 | Guerin | DoctaBu: get a not crap computer |
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| 04:12.50 | Guerin | DoctaBu: I know it's hard, but there are still a few out there |
| 04:12.59 | DoctaBu | hahahahah |
| 04:13.08 | DoctaBu | it's a laptop. |
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| 04:13.21 | DoctaBu | I got it for free. I'm not that mad. |
| 04:13.34 | Nwallins | Guerin: is that what you kids call it these days? |
| 04:13.34 | DoctaBu | I do, however, have an external hdd |
| 04:13.52 | Guerin | DoctaBu: ok, then. rip the hdd out, put it in another machine and install to that |
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| 04:14.08 | slocate | has anybody noticed an increase of CPU usage by X in 2.6.11.5? |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | Nwallins: blame the japs, I think it's one of their names |
| 04:14.21 | DoctaBu | No, Guerin, I have an external hdd I could possibly install TO |
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| 04:14.27 | DoctaBu | and then transfer?? |
| 04:14.37 | DoctaBu | I have a USB CDROM drive |
| 04:14.41 | DoctaBu | but I don't think I can boot to it |
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| 04:14.57 | Guerin | DoctaBu: wtf use is that, you'd still have to put the laptop drive into another computer to do the transfer |
| 04:15.19 | chealer | gravity, travisat: I had the blacklist commented, but now I uncommented it and there's no change |
| 04:15.24 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: this usually works for me copy the boot.img root.img cd-drivers.img from the cd and boot from the 3 floppys and install from the cd |
| 04:15.51 | DoctaBu | Guerin guesses correctly. |
| 04:15.59 | Guerin | no decent laptop does |
| 04:16.03 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 04:16.06 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 04:16.09 | DoctaBu | this one is NOT decent. |
| 04:16.10 | Guerin | this one is shit, so it SHOULD have had one |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:16.20 | DoctaBu | I might have a hotswappable one somewhere |
| 04:16.22 | Eclipser | nngh, I hate touchpad |
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| 04:16.39 | findme | what is sar ? |
| 04:16.44 | Guerin | findme: man sar |
| 04:16.51 | simonrvn | @sar |
| 04:16.52 | ravenbird | [sar] at http://tarp.linuxos.org/software/ (Command-line search and replace tool written in Perl.) or search and replace. |
| 04:16.57 | fevel | does anyone have any "great" apt repositories |
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| 04:17.05 | simonrvn | erm |
| 04:17.05 | Guerin | fevel: ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 04:17.10 | simonrvn | @find sar |
| 04:17.12 | Guerin | that one's pretty decent |
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| 04:17.26 | DoctaBu | I just don't get it, though. |
| 04:17.30 | DoctaBu | woody installed fine. |
| 04:17.33 | fevel | is that stable Guerin??? |
| 04:17.36 | DoctaBu | maybe I can just install the driver. |
| 04:17.43 | DoctaBu | or actually, just wireless tools |
| 04:18.01 | Guerin | fevel: it's a bunch of official debian reps, so yeah, it's pretty stable |
| 04:18.08 | DoctaBu | maximus, are you still there? |
| 04:18.17 | simonrvn | !find sar |
| 04:18.19 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sar' (10): atsar ;; libsary-dev ;; libsary-ruby1.8 ;; libsary9 ;; rsaref2 ;; sarg ;; sarien ;; sary ;; sary-doc ;; webmin-sarg. |
| 04:18.30 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 04:18.33 | maximus | DoctaBu, yup |
| 04:18.42 | findme | thanks all! |
| 04:18.43 | Guerin | simonrvn: you're thinking of the performance monitor? |
| 04:18.58 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 04:19.01 | simonrvn | the system monitor, yes |
| 04:19.10 | DoctaBu | maximus, which one should I download in wireless-tools, stable, testing, or unstable> |
| 04:19.31 | simonrvn | the one that matches what you have installed, of course |
| 04:19.35 | maximus | DoctaBu, stable to start with if for woody |
| 04:19.38 | DoctaBu | ok |
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| 04:20.07 | LaBanane | how do you limit people to their own dir and subdirs and only allow them to list their own processes? |
| 04:20.21 | deadcat | LaBanane: grsecurity |
| 04:20.28 | Tr0||_DX | i got 3 3 different partition mopunted on /dev/hda but it wont show in /dev , how come ? |
| 04:20.33 | Tr0||_DX | i dont get it |
| 04:20.46 | deadcat | LaBanane: and chroot |
| 04:20.48 | DoctaBu | ok I'm writing it, maximus. |
| 04:20.52 | Guerin | !info sysstat |
| 04:20.58 | dpkg | sysstat: (sar, iostat and mpstat - system performance tools for Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 5.0.6-5 (sid), Packaged size: 111 kB, Installed size: 548 kB |
| 04:21.03 | Guerin | there we go |
| 04:21.30 | Eclipser | I really need to get more RAM |
| 04:21.30 | DoctaBu | it's done writing... |
| 04:21.33 | Eclipser | Mem: 60684k total, 54004k used, 6680k free, 388k buffers |
| 04:21.33 | Eclipser | Swap: 491392k total, 43792k used, 447600k free, 26828k cached |
| 04:21.34 | Guerin | LaBanane: uml or some other sort of virtual machine |
| 04:21.43 | Guerin | !tell Eclipser about paste |
| 04:21.45 | Cyanophytes | I hate graphical login |
| 04:21.46 | DoctaBu | now, what should I do, maximus? |
| 04:21.47 | Guerin | !tell Eclipser about free ram |
| 04:21.58 | findme | !free |
| 04:21.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 04:22.01 | Tr0||_DX | and what is /dev/hde used for its the only thing that show up |
| 04:22.05 | maximus | DoctaBu, install it |
| 04:22.11 | DoctaBu | I knoiw. |
| 04:22.12 | DoctaBu | how? :) |
| 04:22.31 | LaBanane | deadcat what with chroot? |
| 04:22.37 | Eclipser | Guerin, well umm... changing application is taking about one minute so I think I'm kind of out of memory :) |
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| 04:23.00 | maher | LaBanane: you can still see all processes in a chroot |
| 04:23.11 | Tr0||_DX | am i talking |
| 04:23.11 | maximus | DoctaBu, can you put cd in and use apt-get otherwise gonna have to use dpkg |
| 04:23.16 | Tr0||_DX | ?????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 04:23.19 | Tr0||_DX | ??????????????????????????????????????????//???????? |
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| 04:23.24 | Guerin | !kill Tr0||_DX |
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| 04:23.29 | LaBanane | so then that won't work right? |
| 04:23.40 | Guerin | LaBanane: uml or some other sort of virtual machine |
| 04:23.45 | gravity | With a login like "troller" I'm amazed it took him that long |
| 04:23.47 | LaBanane | ok thanks |
| 04:23.59 | maher | LaBanane: is it really important people can't see each other's processes? |
| 04:24.33 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:24.34 | DoctaBu | how do I do dpkg, maximus? |
| 04:24.40 | dondelelcaro | gravity: well, I did give whatever that was the benifit of the doubt earlier... but now it's just ban evading |
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| 04:24.48 | maher | DoctaBu: do you know what learned helplessness is? |
| 04:24.52 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Did he come in earlier too? Geez |
| 04:24.55 | Guerin | Tr0||_DX thought I kicked him |
| 04:24.59 | DoctaBu | :( |
| 04:25.03 | DoctaBu | I'm trying here!!! |
| 04:25.07 | Guerin | now he's messaging me with whiney bleating noises |
| 04:25.11 | maher | DoctaBu: man dpkg |
| 04:25.13 | LaBanane | not really but i want them to stay in their own dirs |
| 04:25.19 | DoctaBu | Once this is done, I really think I'll be set |
| 04:25.22 | Logaan | Does anyone have experience here doing preseeding when installing Debian? |
| 04:25.31 | chealer | Tr0||_DX is a mutant from a genetical experience with sad outcome |
| 04:25.36 | codemarauder | Logaan, preseeding? |
| 04:25.36 | Guerin | Logaan: I think #debian-boot would be more help |
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| 04:25.50 | maher | LaBanane: you can make everyones dirs user/group read only - do you need more? |
| 04:25.54 | gravity | Guerin: #debian-boot is a development channel, not a user support channel |
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| 04:26.07 | gravity | Guerin: For d-i bugs, send them there, but not for general use questions |
| 04:26.15 | maher | LaBanane: everyone needs r access to /bin etc for example |
| 04:26.15 | DoctaBu | OH |
| 04:26.16 | DoctaBu | HEY |
| 04:26.22 | DoctaBu | when I put in mount |
| 04:26.23 | HKSDU | do all of you use sarge instead of woody? |
| 04:26.28 | DoctaBu | I get /the hda1 |
| 04:26.30 | LaBanane | do you have a link to uml? |
| 04:26.31 | DoctaBu | and /proc |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | gravity: fair enough. |
| 04:26.33 | DoctaBu | and /dev/pts |
| 04:26.37 | stouset | Anyone know where I can find the latest updates on how the security infrastructure for sarge is coming along? |
| 04:26.38 | DoctaBu | but NO cdrom0 |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | HKSDU: no |
| 04:26.51 | chealer | !tell DoctaBu about enter |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | LaBanane: google user mode linux |
| 04:26.58 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 04:27.03 | dondelelcaro | stouset: /msg dpkg wwsr; |
| 04:27.03 | maher | stouset: see the most recent 2000 msg thread on debian-devel :) |
| 04:27.08 | codemarauder | HKSDU, Sarge contains new packages but woody :-/ |
| 04:27.26 | stouset | Thanks maher |
| 04:27.35 | DoctaBu | God, I'd really hate myself if I ran into me in a chatroom |
| 04:27.35 | stouset | And don :-) |
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| 04:27.57 | HKSDU | because many people are using sarge since they want to have more new packages and woody is so old already |
| 04:28.12 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 04:28.25 | Guerin | HKSDU: i use sarge for different purposes than I use woody, and so do most people with a clue |
| 04:28.31 | DoctaBu | In woody, when I type "mount," I get three things, none of which are cdrom0 or anything. Is this a problem? :| |
| 04:28.48 | HKSDU | I was having trouble installing new Xorg on woody last time and I couldn't use XF86 4.3 due to the ATI driver isn't supported in 4.3. |
| 04:28.55 | gravity | DoctaBu: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:29.00 | HKSDU | Guerin: ic |
| 04:29.04 | DoctaBu | Get a file off of a CD |
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| 04:29.12 | Guerin | wtf would you install xorg on woody? |
| 04:29.13 | DoctaBu | a debian package- wireless-tools |
| 04:29.17 | gravity | DoctaBu: Are you trying to mount the cd? |
| 04:29.23 | DoctaBu | I guess. |
| 04:29.29 | HKSDU | Guerin: lol..haha...ya...I was trying something new... |
| 04:29.32 | gravity | DoctaBu: Do you know what mounting a CD means? |
| 04:29.33 | DoctaBu | Whatever I have to do to get this package off of the CD :| |
| 04:29.46 | DoctaBu | I could guess... :( |
| 04:29.48 | djperegrine | I am trying to compile kxdocker |
| 04:29.49 | gravity | Oh man |
| 04:29.52 | gravity | Ok... |
| 04:29.55 | DoctaBu | I apologize. |
| 04:30.00 | gravity | DoctaBu: Just type "mount /cdrom" |
| 04:30.01 | DoctaBu | I am aware that I am an idiot. |
| 04:30.03 | HKSDU | Guerin: I guess the lib dependency killed that so i couldn't install |
| 04:30.13 | DoctaBu | done. |
| 04:30.22 | DoctaBu | it worke.d |
| 04:30.22 | gravity | DoctaBu: Now "cd /cdrom" |
| 04:30.41 | gravity | DoctaBu: And "ls" to have a look at what's on it |
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| 04:31.06 | interalia | hi, cups question: does anyone know how to affect the order that printers appear in its generated printcap? |
| 04:31.33 | DoctaBu | just the package I burned onto it |
| 04:31.46 | deadcat | wasnt bittornado come with color? |
| 04:31.47 | mwilson | CUPS doesn't generate a printcap. |
| 04:32.11 | gravity | DoctaBu: Ok, now you can do "dpkg -i yourpackagename" to install the thing. If you need other dependencies though, you'll have to fetch them |
| 04:32.31 | djperegrine | I am trying to compile kxdocker but It can't find libXext |
| 04:32.33 | DoctaBu | I don't., |
| 04:32.35 | DoctaBu | Supposedly. |
| 04:32.52 | djperegrine | when I apt-get install kxdocker it says that libxext-dev is fine |
| 04:32.58 | djperegrine | ( installed and updated |
| 04:33.17 | DoctaBu | crap, lol. |
| 04:33.23 | DoctaBu | ok, it worked, gravity. |
| 04:33.28 | DoctaBu | but now it's not finding my card. |
| 04:33.29 | DoctaBu | :| |
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| 04:33.47 | DoctaBu | is there any way to browse the SARGE cd and find the right driver (I know that it's on there) and hten install it onto the woody install? |
| 04:33.48 | maximus | DoctaBu, iwconfig |
| 04:33.52 | DoctaBu | I did, maximus |
| 04:33.54 | slocate | stew: - Users wanting support for the PC speaker need to enable CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR, |
| 04:33.54 | DoctaBu | And it only has li |
| 04:33.55 | DoctaBu | lo* |
| 04:33.57 | slocate | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.03 | gravity | DoctaBu: You have to load your module |
| 04:34.11 | DoctaBu | ;\ |
| 04:34.14 | maximus | modprobe orinco-whatever it is |
| 04:34.34 | DoctaBu | it deosn't have it. |
| 04:34.36 | DoctaBu | doesnt* |
| 04:34.52 | maximus | modeprobe -ls |
| 04:34.52 | gravity | What did you just install, exactly? |
| 04:34.58 | DoctaBu | wireless-tools |
| 04:35.06 | alice|wl | is there a way to dump users for all db s in order to create them on another server with same databses ? |
| 04:35.11 | alice|wl | ups |
| 04:35.14 | slocate | stew: that's what i was looking for |
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| 04:35.47 | DoctaBu | so, now I need the orinoco_cs driver |
| 04:36.17 | maximus | DoctaBu, does it show up with modprobe -ls |
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| 04:37.55 | DoctaBu | no |
| 04:38.00 | DoctaBu | hey eoban |
| 04:38.02 | mwilson | Wow... my firewall box was up to a load of 250 |
| 04:38.08 | eobanb | ah, hey doctabu |
| 04:38.25 | maximus | DoctaBu, well i guess your screwed then |
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| 04:39.08 | DoctaBu | I'm screwed? |
| 04:39.12 | DoctaBu | I can't load the driver from a CD? |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | alice|wl: yes. Depends on the database exactly how you do that. Use pg_dump or mysql_dump for common dbs |
| 04:39.32 | eobanb | are we talking about pcmcia-cs or some junk |
| 04:39.38 | DoctaBu | yes, actually. |
| 04:39.39 | DoctaBu | well |
| 04:39.42 | DoctaBu | that or orinoco_cs |
| 04:39.48 | eobanb | orinoco_cs isnt a package |
| 04:39.53 | DoctaBu | it's a driver |
| 04:40.09 | DoctaBu | I got wireless-tools installeed. |
| 04:40.12 | eobanb | oh? |
| 04:40.14 | deadcat | !tell DoctaBu about enter |
| 04:40.14 | DoctaBu | yes. |
| 04:40.17 | eobanb | that's a step. |
| 04:40.18 | DoctaBu | I know, deadcat |
| 04:40.24 | deadcat | DoctaBu: then do it. |
| 04:40.27 | DoctaBu | I'm really bad at that. I'm working on it. |
| 04:40.32 | alice|wl | dondelelcaro: :) actually meant to ask in mysql :) I did a mysqldump -a -A |
| 04:40.32 | eobanb | ? |
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| 04:40.48 | DoctaBu | He's yelling at me for having so many returns when I talk. |
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| 04:41.02 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 04:41.11 | deadcat | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 04:41.17 | DoctaBu | ? |
| 04:41.24 | dondelelcaro | RUTEBAGA has landed |
| 04:41.37 | deadcat | DoctaBu: girrrrrrl (= |
| 04:41.44 | DoctaBu | ???? |
| 04:41.50 | DoctaBu | OK |
| 04:41.55 | DoctaBu | So back to me SUCKING at linux. |
| 04:41.56 | deadcat | oops. wrong dude. |
| 04:42.39 | maximus | DoctaBu, can you apt-get pcmcia-cs from cd |
| 04:42.39 | cat | sucking at Linux? |
| 04:42.56 | deadcat | cat: did you get the tshirt? |
| 04:43.03 | simonrvn | ok, /me disables rb's rootwarn |
| 04:43.31 | DoctaBu | I did, actually. |
| 04:43.32 | DoctaBu | It worked. |
| 04:43.34 | simonrvn | re-enabled it 'cause the other bots weren't here |
| 04:43.40 | DoctaBu | But now what do I do from that step, maximus? |
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| 04:44.10 | eobanb | doctabu, if you have pcmcia-cs and wireless-tools installed, you are probably good to go |
| 04:44.18 | simonrvn | done |
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| 04:44.25 | DoctaBu | well, when the card is in, when I run iwconfig, I only get local. |
| 04:44.37 | eobanb | local? eh? |
| 04:44.42 | DoctaBu | "lo" |
| 04:44.59 | DoctaBu | is there some sort of config I have to do with the card firsT? |
| 04:45.19 | maximus | DoctaBu, ifconfig whats it say |
| 04:45.28 | DoctaBu | lo |
| 04:45.32 | DoctaBu | with blah blah blah |
| 04:45.35 | DoctaBu | loopback, etc. |
| 04:45.48 | DoctaBu | !tell doctabu about enter |
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| 04:46.03 | DoctaBu | >:| |
| 04:46.12 | chealer | hehehe :) DoctaBu: you can use /msg dpkg enter even |
| 04:46.31 | DoctaBu | I thought I'd let everybody know that I knew that I was doing that. Garhrrrhrhr.. |
| 04:46.38 | DoctaBu | SO... what do I do from this point? :) |
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| 04:47.45 | DoctaBu | when i do modprobe -ls or whatever, I dont see pcmcia-cs on it |
| 04:48.00 | maximus | DoctaBu, what does lsmod say, not sure if you have driver for your card yet |
| 04:48.15 | DoctaBu | yeeesh |
| 04:48.21 | DoctaBu | I loaded wavelan_cs thinking that might work |
| 04:48.28 | DoctaBu | how do I unload that |
| 04:48.52 | DoctaBu | pcmcia-cs is not on that list |
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| 04:49.14 | deadcat | its like a ghost town after ignoring DoctaBu ... |
| 04:49.22 | gravity | deadcat: :-) |
| 04:49.26 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:49.37 | DoctaBu | :'( |
| 04:50.30 | maximus | DoctaBu, modprobe -r wavelan-cs your making my head hurt |
| 04:50.59 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 04:51.09 | deadcat | hes like those girls in my history class. none stop talking... |
| 04:51.24 | DoctaBu | one. |
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| 04:51.27 | DoctaBu | done* |
| 04:51.50 | DoctaBu | but there is no module for pcmcia-cs |
| 04:52.05 | DoctaBu | (when I try the command modprobe pcmcia-cs) |
| 04:53.06 | grepper | where would be a good place to place command/script to load my sound cards sound fonts ? (besides anywhere :P) |
| 04:53.17 | Logaan | How can I change the frame buffer size for the console (eg, make it 1024x768 instead of 800x600)? |
| 04:53.18 | Azra`el | everywhere? |
| 04:53.22 | deadcat | gravity: /usr/local/bin/ |
| 04:53.27 | Flimzy | Is it generally good or bad to use the fbdev for X? |
| 04:53.28 | dondelelcaro | grepper: when does this script need to load? |
| 04:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: don't use it unless you have to |
| 04:53.43 | DoctaBu | eeeeee! I'm toast. |
| 04:53.52 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 04:54.04 | deadcat | Logaan: vga=791 in menu.lst or lilo.conf |
| 04:54.11 | grepper | dondelelcaro: hm, after the emu10k1 stuff is modprobed I guess, and the card is up and running and /proc/asound/seq/clients is populated |
| 04:54.12 | gravity | deadcat: ? |
| 04:54.17 | Logaan | Thanks |
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| 04:54.29 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: generally it's slower than the equivalent non fbdev driver... but for some things, fbdev is the only way to get a working card |
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| 04:54.37 | deadcat | gravity: oopo.s wrong dude again. )= |
| 04:54.49 | gravity | Ah |
| 04:55.08 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: alright |
| 04:55.39 | DoctaBu | if anybody cares, which is probably nobody, I'm trying to do this: http://bu.dotsomething.net/warcam/how.php |
| 04:55.46 | blancmange | say for instance I want to run a video app like xine and I am currently logged in as root. why will X not let me do it? "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" is the error it produces. |
| 04:55.50 | dondelelcaro | grepper: probably run it in /etc/rcS.d/S99snd_fonts or something, then |
| 04:56.01 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: are you compiling a new kernel for your ppc soon? want to test out the bootsplash patch? (= |
| 04:56.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I will if someone actually has a new kernel that actually will allow my machine to sleep |
| 04:56.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn... )= |
| 04:56.38 | grepper | dondelelcaro: hm, ok thanks. I wondered if alsa had some sort of facility for running scripts - maybe I'll check #alsa too |
| 04:56.56 | dondelelcaro | grepper: possible... there is a /etc/init.d/alsa-base... but I haven't used it myself |
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| 04:56.57 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: need to install pcmcia-cs.deb pcmcia-modules-<kernel version>.deb |
| 04:57.24 | dondelelcaro | grepper: you may file a wishlist bug against alsa-base or something asking for a directory of scripts to run when alsa-base is starting up (or asking in #alsa if alsa has such a thing already) |
| 04:57.42 | DoctaBu | is pcmcia-modules-<version>.deb with the apt-get on teh cd? |
| 04:57.47 | grepper | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 04:58.16 | grepper | there is /etc/alsa/modprobe-post-install.d/ - perhaps that's the ticket |
| 04:58.20 | interalia | grepper: there is already such a facility. |
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| 04:58.23 | interalia | yep, that's it. |
| 04:58.28 | grepper | interalia: :) |
| 04:58.32 | grepper | thanks |
| 04:58.38 | DoctaBu | tony_wt, is pcmcia-modules-<version>.deb with the apt-get on the cd? |
| 04:58.40 | interalia | actually I just changed my modrobe.conf to have a post-install thingy for my emu10k1 driver |
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| 04:59.17 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: on woody cd yes I think |
| 04:59.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what do you think that 2.6.3 can and the rest of the new ones cant? |
| 04:59.28 | DoctaBu | eeek what's my version? :) |
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| 04:59.36 | eobanb | uname -a |
| 04:59.37 | eobanb | god... |
| 04:59.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno... probably some sort of int lock or something happening in the middle of trying to go to sleep |
| 04:59.55 | interalia | grepper: er I mean something like: install snd_emu10k1_synth /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd_emu10k1_synth; /usr/bin/asfxload ... |
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| 05:00.15 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I haven't really figured it out |
| 05:00.15 | grepper | interalia: I noticed that udev breaks loading that |
| 05:00.29 | tony_wt | DoctaBu: uname -a |
| 05:00.47 | interalia | grepper: hmm yeah it probably does. I looked into it, but the whole thing confused me so I left it for another day. |
| 05:01.04 | DoctaBu | Ok, now this is where I become the biggest idiot I ican be |
| 05:01.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i dont know why sleep works so well on my ibook. dont have to do shit. |
| 05:01.06 | grepper | interalia: yeah, it worked automatically before installing udev |
| 05:01.08 | DoctaBu | nope. |
| 05:01.11 | DoctaBu | 2.2.20 |
| 05:01.14 | eobanb | DUDE |
| 05:01.23 | DoctaBu | it's teh image you sent me, eoban. |
| 05:01.25 | Phated | Then update or something, sheesh. |
| 05:01.28 | prahal | why does replace does not automatically conflict with the package it replace ? some package miss the conflict but somewhat i agree with their thinking it should remove the other automatically |
| 05:01.32 | interalia | maybe we just need a wishlist bug against the awesfx maintainer, let him figure it out :D |
| 05:01.32 | grepper | interalia: so probably the proper way to fix it would be to fix the udev config |
| 05:01.35 | DoctaBu | I can't, Phated. That's the problem. |
| 05:01.40 | eobanb | no, ugh, god, the 3.0r4 CD has 2.4.x on it |
| 05:01.45 | eobanb | you went with 2.2 by mistake |
| 05:01.50 | deadcat | Phated: was that for DoctaBu ? (= |
| 05:01.50 | eobanb | i TOLD you to go with 2.4 |
| 05:01.54 | Phated | Did you, you know, tell him about it beforehand? |
| 05:01.56 | DoctaBu | should I just reinstall? |
| 05:02.00 | eobanb | reinstall!? |
| 05:02.06 | Phated | deadcat: I guess. |
| 05:02.11 | eobanb | apt-get a newer kernel |
| 05:02.29 | coyote70 | Is there anybody who could tell me where I can find help with ubuntu |
| 05:02.34 | Phated | #ubuntu. |
| 05:02.34 | deadcat | Phated: ya. that guy is a moron. i /ignore his ass a while back. |
| 05:02.38 | simonrvn | simple instructions, and people still manage to get them wrong... |
| 05:02.38 | eobanb | coyote70, what's the problem? |
| 05:02.44 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, really. |
| 05:02.48 | alice|wl | hey, any help getting mod_define for apache 1.3.26 on woody, cant find it anywhere |
| 05:02.49 | eobanb | doctabu, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.4&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 05:02.54 | Phated | deadcat: It was, you know, kind of starting to come out. :) |
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| 05:03.09 | deadcat | Phated: planning to /ignore everyone here who talk to him (= |
| 05:03.18 | simonrvn | @annoy simonrvn |
| 05:03.21 | ravenbird | simonrvn: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 05:03.30 | Phated | deadcat: Go on, then. :) |
| 05:03.31 | coyote70 | I<m having difficulties setting up java under firefox... BTW I m new to linux |
| 05:04.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: i just realized that ravenbird is your bitch eh? |
| 05:04.05 | nevyn | coyote70: what have you tried so far? did you use java-package? |
| 05:04.26 | simonrvn | no, really? and it isn't "a bitch", it's a bot |
| 05:04.29 | Phated | ravenbird: hump simonrvn |
| 05:04.34 | Phated | Now it is. :) |
| 05:04.38 | prahal | coyote70: have you tried java-package ? |
| 05:04.39 | blancmange | what is the canonical way to get a java runtime env in debian unstable so I can run java apps like azureus? |
| 05:04.47 | simonrvn | Phated: hehe |
| 05:04.49 | eobanb | you'd think that linux becoming an order of magnitude easier to use in the last few years would lead to LESS people needing help...instead it just makes more lUsers want to try it......aaaggghh |
| 05:04.50 | deadcat | Phated: muhahahhaha |
| 05:04.50 | blancmange | is it to download the jre from blackdown or is there a package that automates the process? |
| 05:04.54 | Phated | simonrvn: :) Whassup, yo. |
| 05:04.57 | coyote70 | yeap I installed it and it seems ok, but when I do about:plugins its not there |
| 05:05.02 | fevel_ | how do i upgrade my distro |
| 05:05.03 | Phated | deadcat: Thank fieldy for that one. |
| 05:05.09 | simonrvn | busy as fuck. as usual. otherwise ok. you? |
| 05:05.10 | fevel_ | i came from slack |
| 05:05.11 | deadcat | fevel_: from what to what? |
| 05:05.15 | Flimzy | Where does XF4 get it's modelines from? They're not in XF86Config-4 as I believe they were in older versions of X |
| 05:05.31 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh, not bad. Still waiting for school to start, but at least now I know where I'm going when it does. :) |
| 05:05.35 | fevel_ | i heard it was something like dist upgrade |
| 05:05.35 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.44 | eobanb | upgrade slack to debian? why you just use the Magic package manager........ |
| 05:05.46 | simonrvn | Flimzy: you can still put modelines in. just not as needed anymore |
| 05:05.56 | simonrvn | Phated: cool :) |
| 05:05.56 | deadcat | fevel_: from what to what? stable to unstable, stable to testing? testing to unstable? |
| 05:05.57 | fevel_ | no upgrade my debian |
| 05:06.03 | prahal | hum google : "debian java" is your friend |
| 05:06.08 | Flimzy | simonrvn: Are they calculated automatically? |
| 05:06.13 | Phated | simonrvn: :) |
| 05:06.16 | fevel_ | just upgrade the packages |
| 05:06.22 | fevel_ | in case of bugs |
| 05:06.24 | deadcat | fevel_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:06.26 | eobanb | lesson here everyone is that apt-get does everything. everything, okay? |
| 05:06.38 | Phated | I haven't seen it make me my morning tea. |
| 05:06.38 | fevel_ | thanks |
| 05:06.45 | Phated | Oh wait, that was emacs, wasn't it. |
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| 05:06.57 | simonrvn | Flimzy: yeh, but sometimes they don't work |
| 05:07.05 | DoctaBu | APT-GET DOESNT WORK WITH ME! HAH! |
| 05:07.06 | blancmange | you see the logic to that statement is flawed... since if I was going to search google exclusively I would not have asked in here. |
| 05:07.13 | blancmange | it is but another avenue of exploration :) |
| 05:07.16 | scarynetworkguy | Well emacs can do everything but edit text well. |
| 05:07.17 | prahal | blancmange: it depends , but it s explained for each alternative in the java-package doc |
| 05:07.29 | Flimzy | simonrvn: I'm just having difficulty getting X to start at 1024x768 (complaining there's not enough memory... but there ought to be) |
| 05:07.39 | deadcat | lynch who ever created emacs (= |
| 05:07.46 | Phated | Start at lower colour or something. |
| 05:07.48 | blancmange | prahal, thanks |
| 05:08.01 | Phated | deadcat: Gladly. |
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| 05:08.13 | Azra`el | speaking of emacs |
| 05:08.19 | Phated | *stabbystabstab* |
| 05:08.20 | rixth_ | What does the SMP mean on the end of the kernel name? |
| 05:08.34 | Azra`el | does anyone have a media player plugin to decode oggs in emacs? |
| 05:08.35 | kaplanfx | rixth_: symmetric multiprocessing |
| 05:08.36 | rixth_ | Phated, "I don,t get angry, I get stabby" -- Fat Tony |
| 05:08.40 | deadcat | rixth_: symetrical |
| 05:08.52 | rixth_ | Well, do I want it? |
| 05:08.56 | kaplanfx | rixth_: it means your kernel can use more than 1 processor |
| 05:08.59 | Azra`el | Do you need it? |
| 05:09.03 | Phated | WHAAAT? Now I find out "stabby" isn't an Original phated Creation (TM)? |
| 05:09.09 | eobanb | do you have a dual-proc box?? |
| 05:09.11 | kaplanfx | rixth_: do you have multiple processors or an HT enabled P4? |
| 05:09.18 | blancmange | Azra`el, I used to have a program that did that |
| 05:09.23 | blancmange | there is a package for it somewhere. |
| 05:09.25 | Phated | How ironic that everything was capitalised but the nick. |
| 05:09.51 | prahal | rixth_: that it is a version configured for using multiple processors simultaneously |
| 05:09.55 | Azra`el | blancmange: cool, thanks. |
| 05:09.58 | rixth_ | OhMyAchinLap, I only have one processor so I should take nonsmp? (Would performance be worse if I did take SMP?) |
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| 05:10.11 | Phated | rixth_: Might be. |
| 05:10.16 | rixth_ | \What the hell? Whats with the OhmYachinLap? |
| 05:10.23 | prahal | rixth_: it can only have more bugs than the standard version (more features) |
| 05:10.27 | Phated | You suck at tab-complete? |
| 05:10.27 | NinjaGrammaton | Howdy all |
| 05:10.31 | deadcat | can someone confirm that any miniPCI wireless card can fit into the ibook g4 airport extreme slot? |
| 05:10.31 | Phated | :) |
| 05:10.40 | eobanb | phated, lol |
| 05:10.48 | zorpit | is arch/i386/boot/bootsect what lilo wants for its boot= param? |
| 05:10.55 | rixth_ | Well. That was kinda weird. I typed Oh, and that came. =/ |
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| 05:11.15 | Phated | You had to have hit tab accidentally. |
| 05:11.28 | NinjaGrammaton | hey does anyone know the command promt code for mount modem? |
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| 05:11.37 | mxldr | hey |
| 05:11.41 | rixth_ | Oh yes, I see he's a user |
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| 05:11.53 | deadcat | NinjaGrammaton: whats mount modem? |
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| 05:12.20 | Azra`el | <NinjaGrammaton> hey does anyone know the command promt code for mount modem? |
| 05:12.28 | NinjaGrammaton | mount it to the port |
| 05:12.33 | mxldr | i got a question. my computer teacher will let me set up a linux box at my school, but he wont do any port forwarding or anything for me |
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| 05:12.46 | Phated | Stab him in the face. NEXT! |
| 05:12.48 | Azra`el | hi atrus |
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| 05:12.53 | mxldr | could i do like ssh over irc? |
| 05:12.55 | deadcat | mxldr: hows that a question? |
| 05:13.01 | eobanb | ssl........... |
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| 05:13.17 | Phated | How you going to get IRC if he refuses to forward any ports? :) |
| 05:13.25 | eobanb | no ports at all? |
| 05:13.28 | zorpit | i might have (read: did) overcleaned my /boot dir... what does lilo expect in its boot= param? is kernel/arch/i386/boot/bootsect good to cp to /boot/boot-menu.b |
| 05:13.29 | Azra`el | he means connect out |
| 05:13.31 | eobanb | you mean an irc server? |
| 05:13.34 | Phated | eobanb: He didn't specify. |
| 05:13.34 | eobanb | or client? |
| 05:13.36 | mxldr | i dunno. i can connect to freenode on it |
| 05:13.40 | eobanb | . |
| 05:13.47 | scarynetworkguy | Maybe it's fro the best given that he can't seem to form a question. |
| 05:13.52 | prahal | yeah finally now that most physical issues are fixed we reach the metaphysical level , how to mount a modem ... too much ganja brother |
| 05:13.56 | eobanb | mxldr, what are you asking |
| 05:13.57 | Tarkus | does debian come with KDE? |
| 05:13.58 | blancmange | well then it must be forwarding the IRC port? |
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| 05:14.08 | deadcat | Tarkus: yes. |
| 05:14.18 | scarynetworkguy | prahal: Very carefully. You don't want to get it sticky. |
| 05:14.19 | Phated | Not in base. |
| 05:14.22 | Tarkus | deadcat: thnx |
| 05:14.24 | mxldr | no- like you know how behind a firewall everyone can acess irc |
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| 05:14.32 | eobanb | ... |
| 05:14.32 | mxldr | but you cant run a server |
| 05:14.36 | eobanb | right |
| 05:14.38 | eobanb | that's what NAT does |
| 05:14.39 | deadcat | mxldr: then dont |
| 05:14.49 | eobanb | so you want to run an irc server, then? |
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| 05:14.53 | mxldr | no |
| 05:14.56 | eobanb | so wtf? |
| 05:15.03 | Phated | If you can surf the net... And access IRC... what else do you need/ |
| 05:15.04 | mxldr | i want to run a box that i can control |
| 05:15.07 | mxldr | remotely |
| 05:15.10 | deadcat | man. you get little privilage and you fuck it up... |
| 05:15.11 | eobanb | ssh... |
| 05:15.15 | zorpit | does /boot/boot-menu.b come from arch/i386/boot/bootsect ? |
| 05:15.21 | Phated | I fail to see how you need SSH when you are at a Linux box. :| |
| 05:15.28 | eobanb | remotely, he said |
| 05:15.34 | mxldr | well, i wont always be there |
| 05:15.43 | prahal | mxldr: hum either your school net use a NAT or a proxy to enable you to reach the net , this depends on that |
| 05:15.44 | mxldr | i want to be able to remote admin it at home |
| 05:15.47 | scarynetworkguy | mxldr: WTF is your question? |
| 05:15.49 | Phated | If your teacher isn't allowing... Have you considered NOT DOING IT? |
| 05:16.04 | deadcat | mxldr: admin it when you are in class. |
| 05:16.05 | mxldr | How can i remote admin my box? |
| 05:16.20 | scarynetworkguy | mxldr: If they won't open the ports for you you can't. |
| 05:16.22 | Phated | You don't, if the person allowing you to set it up says you can't. |
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| 05:17.10 | Tarkus | what .iso file do i need to install debian? |
| 05:17.12 | eobanb | er, wait, why dont you use netcat or something, and telnet out to a different box, and echo everything from bash |
| 05:17.15 | deadcat | mxldr: what school is this? |
| 05:17.18 | Tarkus | is it 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7? |
| 05:17.18 | mxldr | he has no prob with me running the box and remote admining, but he is too dumb to mess with the router |
| 05:17.26 | prahal | NinjaGrammaton: you want to connect your modem to the internet ? |
| 05:17.28 | deadcat | !tell Tarkus about d-i |
| 05:17.48 | Phated | mxldr: Too dumb, or doesn't want to? You said he didn't want to forward ports. |
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| 05:17.55 | deadcat | mxldr: ya. too bad for your hes a dumb ass. |
| 05:17.59 | mithro | how does one change the locale under linux? |
| 05:17.59 | eobanb | tarkus, you just need 1, strictly speaking, because you can do a net install |
| 05:18.14 | scarynetworkguy | mxldr: Sucks to be you. Learn to deal or kill yourself. Either way works. |
| 05:18.22 | mithro | i'm sure it's some dpkg-reconfigure <something> but i can't remeber what something is |
| 05:18.23 | deadcat | Tarkus: for woody. get the 10MB net isntall. for testing, get the 40MB d-i |
| 05:18.35 | mxldr | you probably have aids scarynetworkguy |
| 05:18.35 | Tarkus | eobanb: i am trying it on a Virtual Machine, using VMWare, can i still do that hough? |
| 05:18.36 | eobanb | mxldr.....why dont you just use netcat, or something. |
| 05:18.39 | deadcat | Azra`el: whats the razor for? (= |
| 05:18.41 | chealer | Tarkus: what do you want to do with debian? |
| 05:18.45 | NinjaGrammaton | <prahal> yes how do I connect |
| 05:18.45 | mxldr | what is netcat? |
| 05:18.47 | eobanb | tarkus, i dont see why not |
| 05:18.54 | Azra`el | <scarynetworkguy> mxldr: Sucks to be you. Learn to deal or kill yourself. Either way works. |
| 05:18.55 | deadcat | mxldr: that wont help you |
| 05:18.55 | zorpit | mxldr: there may be something like this out there, but what you could do is write a script that connects from the school to a home machine, reads/executes/outputs commands from a port on that machine |
| 05:19.11 | eobanb | exactly. |
| 05:19.19 | Tarkus | chealer: why does it matter? |
| 05:19.20 | eobanb | that'd be really easy. |
| 05:19.22 | zorpit | mxldr: in other words, the router blocks incoming connections, so simulate a shell by having a constant outbound connection |
| 05:19.26 | deadcat | zorpit: damn.. nice trick |
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| 05:19.30 | Tarkus | chealer: im using it for my server |
| 05:19.37 | Tarkus | chealer: and other stuf |
| 05:19.41 | mxldr | zorpit: i guess |
| 05:20.04 | deadcat | mxldr: you guess? thats a fucking good idea (= |
| 05:20.09 | chealer | Tarkus: if you'd want a debian desktop, you should try sarge, but that's not the case. |
| 05:20.14 | mxldr | ok- how do i do that? |
| 05:20.32 | zorpit | mxldr: well, do you know any programming languages? |
| 05:20.34 | deadcat | mxldr: cron + wget + sh |
| 05:20.39 | Tarkus | chealer: hmm, whats the difference between sarge and woody? |
| 05:20.43 | mxldr | zorpit: no |
| 05:20.45 | zorpit | deadcat: ahh, hey... nice and unixy |
| 05:20.58 | chealer | Tarkus: sarge is the testing version. woody is stable, and old |
| 05:21.04 | deadcat | zorpit: ? |
| 05:21.25 | Tarkus | chealer: so sarge would be a better choice? |
| 05:21.25 | Azra`el | by stable, he means "dusty, crusty and rusty" |
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| 05:21.35 | alice|wl | hey, any help getting mod_define for apache 1.3.26 on woody, cant find it anywhere |
| 05:21.35 | Phated | And stable. |
| 05:21.38 | zorpit | deadcat: I was thinking of a pure-perl/ruby/C solution, but that's more fitting to the Unix philosophy |
| 05:21.54 | zorpit | mxldr: Do you currently have a home machine that runs linux? |
| 05:22.46 | deadcat | zorpit: i was thinking just simple cron every 5 min, wget index.html && sh index.html if ! empty and ! same as previous copy of index.html |
| 05:22.48 | prahal | mxldr: you could setup a tunnel from your work pc to your home one then connect through this tunnel ... |
| 05:23.08 | mxldr | yeah- i run debian at home |
| 05:23.14 | mxldr | runnig debian now |
| 05:23.21 | chealer | Tarkus: if you'd be willing to use it as a desktop |
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| 05:23.33 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: whats a better solution? |
| 05:24.00 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: It's a decent idea. I'm just wondering why he thinks he needs to write yet another tunneling app. |
| 05:24.04 | zorpit | scarynetw: well, it'd be a fairly simple script: openSomeSocket... while ($input = readFromSomeSocket()) { writeToSomeSocket(`$input`); } |
| 05:24.07 | scarynetworkguy | When there are already so many good ones. |
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| 05:24.14 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: ohh.. ya. no need for that. |
| 05:24.19 | mxldr | Thats a good idea! |
| 05:24.24 | eobanb | could you not nc -d -e bash -t my31337homebox.com 31337 on the nat'ed side, and then have an nc listening (e.g. nc -v -v -L -p 31337) on the home end? |
| 05:24.27 | mxldr | how do i do cron jobs? |
| 05:24.35 | Phated | Set it up on the machine? |
| 05:24.38 | mxldr | yeah |
| 05:24.48 | deadcat | mxldr: 5/60 * * * * /path/to/the/script |
| 05:24.54 | prahal | NinjaGrammaton: i could tell you how i did it in the old days, but i suggest you look for kppp or gnome-ppp |
| 05:24.56 | Azra`el | man crontab |
| 05:25.02 | mxldr | so what do i type in the shell |
| 05:25.06 | simonrvn | man 5 crontab |
| 05:25.09 | zorpit | mxldr: i'd pay more attention to things like eobanb/scarynetw are talking about - I didn't know that a solution like this already exists |
| 05:25.12 | simonrvn | that ^^^ |
| 05:25.13 | scarynetworkguy | eobanb: Or you could just fucking use HTTP tunnel like all sane people do. |
| 05:25.13 | Azra`el | man 5 crontab, my bad. |
| 05:25.20 | zorpit | deadcat: also, what to do with output? |
| 05:25.25 | deadcat | mwilson: ^^ read up there and figure it out. this aint #gentoo |
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| 05:25.41 | eobanb | im just saying, quick and dirty... |
| 05:25.47 | zorpit | deadcat: (on the cronned solution - you'd have to have it sent as a POST or something on a later request) |
| 05:25.49 | deadcat | zorpit: assume they are all none interactive and > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 05:25.52 | prahal | aren't we explaining mlxdr how to f*** up the security policy of his school ? |
| 05:26.00 | prahal | if they even have one |
| 05:26.04 | scarynetworkguy | eobanb: Is bad very bad. Use the right fucking tool for the job. |
| 05:26.05 | deadcat | zorpit: ah... |
| 05:26.07 | zorpit | eobanb: what is the -d? |
| 05:26.24 | zorpit | deadcat: yikes... remote adminning a machine & flying blind? |
| 05:26.33 | deadcat | prahal: no (= |
| 05:26.44 | deadcat | zorpit: HAHAHAHAH |
| 05:26.44 | zorpit | eobanb: what is -d? i don't see it in my nc manpage |
| 05:26.49 | Phated | Well, if he says it isn't. |
| 05:27.01 | eobanb | detach from console |
| 05:27.14 | zorpit | eobanb: ahhh |
| 05:27.16 | eobanb | :) |
| 05:27.22 | scarynetworkguy | prahal: What do you really think the odds of him being able to do *any* of this is? |
| 05:27.24 | eobanb | i mean, or just use screen. or &. |
| 05:27.40 | zorpit | does anyone know where /boot/boot-menu.b comes from? is it arch/i386/boot/bootsect ? |
| 05:27.47 | prahal | eobanb: you don't need nc for a peer to peer setup , ssh port forwarding is enough (and at least encrypted) ... though i love netcat through an ssh tunnel when going from the outside with a shell account on the gateway |
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| 05:28.11 | Azra`el | zorpit, HI |
| 05:28.21 | zorpit | Azra`el: oh, hey! |
| 05:28.32 | zorpit | Azra`el: were you helping me with IDA? |
| 05:28.39 | Azra`el | fucked if i remember =) |
| 05:28.43 | Azra`el | i've got a goldfish brain. |
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| 05:28.51 | zorpit | ok, well, hi anyway. =) |
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| 05:29.09 | opopanax_gentoo | this thinkpad is torquin me off to no end. |
| 05:29.19 | Azra`el | why? |
| 05:29.31 | Guerin | !dict torquin |
| 05:29.33 | prahal | scarynetworkguy: hum ssh -L 22:home_ip:2222 , then connect from home with ssh -P 2222 ... now if he does not manage to use it i am sorry for him |
| 05:29.44 | dpkg | could not find definition for torquin |
| 05:29.47 | opopanax_gentoo | well, no matter what I do, any device in the cardbusses gets assigned an irq of zero. |
| 05:29.57 | scarynetworkguy | prahal: Heh. |
| 05:30.07 | Azra`el | opopanax_gentoo: sounds like a personal problem |
| 05:30.08 | mxldr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.19 | Guerin | mxldr: all 700some of us? |
| 05:30.19 | Azra`el | :o |
| 05:30.20 | opopanax_gentoo | and, of course, if i turn off pcmcia, it doesn't work either |
| 05:30.23 | zorpit | what a fine young man. |
| 05:30.25 | Azra`el | what are the odds! |
| 05:30.25 | opopanax_gentoo | :-) |
| 05:30.28 | Phated | Mymy. |
| 05:30.30 | Guerin | zorpit: itym boy |
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| 05:30.38 | djperegrine | I am trying to compile kxdocker and it said it needed qt |
| 05:30.40 | Azra`el | opopanax_gentoo: look in your bios for "PLUG AND PLAY BIOS" |
| 05:30.42 | djperegrine | what should I apt-get |
| 05:30.43 | Azra`el | and invert it. |
| 05:30.48 | Azra`el | if it's Y, make it N |
| 05:30.49 | zorpit | itim chump |
| 05:30.53 | Azra`el | if it's N, make it Y |
| 05:30.55 | Azra`el | er |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | Azra`el: well, they say irc is sleazy and incestuous, but I think that's going a bit far |
| 05:30.58 | Azra`el | s/bios/OS |
| 05:31.00 | opopanax_gentoo | Azra`el, nice try, however, it's a 760xl thinkpad from back in the day |
| 05:31.09 | Azra`el | so? |
| 05:31.11 | opopanax_gentoo | i've searched and searched. |
| 05:31.17 | Azra`el | this is an a22e |
| 05:31.23 | Phated | Yep, as usual, the flame-n-run. |
| 05:31.25 | Azra`el | my other thinkpad is a 750 |
| 05:31.27 | opopanax_gentoo | so, there's no pnp option in the ps2.exe utility |
| 05:31.38 | opopanax_gentoo | and the bios is laughable |
| 05:31.41 | Azra`el | there aught to be |
| 05:31.43 | Azra`el | ought? |
| 05:31.45 | Azra`el | ought to be. |
| 05:31.48 | opopanax_gentoo | i know there ought to be! :-) |
| 05:31.57 | Azra`el | meaning: i remember seeing one |
| 05:32.05 | Guerin | hrm, even my toshi from 1997 has a pnp bios toggle |
| 05:32.08 | Azra`el | you've flashed the bios to latest? |
| 05:32.14 | zorpit | could some noble soul who has compiled a custom kernel do something like this? md5sum /usr/src/kernel-whatever/arch/i386/boot/bootsect /boot/boot-menu.b and tell me if they're the same? I'm trying to recreate /boot/boot-menu.b, but I don't exactly know where it comes from |
| 05:32.17 | opopanax_gentoo | the ibm bios is horrid. |
| 05:32.34 | opopanax_gentoo | the old one, anyway. |
| 05:32.39 | Azra`el | zorpit: www.google.com/search?q=where+does+boot-menu.b+come+from |
| 05:32.50 | opopanax_gentoo | i can't seem to find a bios to flash it to |
| 05:32.57 | Azra`el | opopanax_gentoo: |
| 05:33.02 | Azra`el | you found the ps2.exe app |
| 05:33.08 | Azra`el | but can't find the firmware? |
| 05:33.10 | Azra`el | :o |
| 05:33.11 | opopanax_gentoo | azrael yep sir |
| 05:33.32 | Azra`el | instead of entering thinkpad 760xl |
| 05:33.44 | Azra`el | look for a four digit number a dash and three digits |
| 05:33.48 | Azra`el | and give them THAT |
| 05:34.02 | opopanax_gentoo | wut, the model number from the sticker? |
| 05:34.03 | mwilson | What's the big deal about flashing a Thinkpad? |
| 05:34.04 | cafuego | 3245-341 |
| 05:34.06 | Azra`el | rgr |
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| 05:34.12 | Azra`el | mine's 2655-axu |
| 05:34.16 | Azra`el | =) |
| 05:34.20 | Phated | I'd flash a Thinkpad. XD |
| 05:34.24 | mwilson | Go to the bloody web site, put in the model, and there you go. |
| 05:34.28 | opopanax_gentoo | hm. i'll give it a shot. i looked in the droppy downy menus |
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| 05:34.38 | mwilson | About the easiest thing to navigate there ever was. |
| 05:34.39 | opopanax_gentoo | no bios offered, that I could tell. /me searches again |
| 05:34.46 | cafuego | !be a model barbie |
| 05:34.47 | dpkg | awwww, model is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
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| 05:35.11 | Phated | "s/he swears" :) |
| 05:35.13 | cafuego | opopanax_gentoo: Your nick would appear to indicate otherwise <heh> |
| 05:35.13 | Azra`el | nobody's saying you are, yet |
| 05:35.14 | mwilson | opopanax_gentoo: Bloody hell, wtf is the model number? |
| 05:35.25 | zorpit | Azra`el: I'm having trouble finding it in google |
| 05:35.28 | zorpit | s/in/via |
| 05:35.39 | Phated | Hm. xanapopo. Sounds silly to me. |
| 05:35.43 | Azra`el | zorpit: if you can't find it in google, it dosen't exist |
| 05:35.54 | Phated | Er... |
| 05:36.01 | mwilson | opopanax_gentoo: Turn it over and *read*. |
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| 05:36.16 | Phated | mwilson: Maybe he is, so he can't see what you're saying. :) |
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| 05:36.25 | prahal | NinjaGrammaton: do you have the net ? |
| 05:36.27 | mwilson | You actually believe that? |
| 05:36.30 | zorpit | Azra`el: naw... if I can't find it by googling, maybe I'm asking the wrong questions... which is why I come to IRC sometimes |
| 05:36.37 | Phated | mwilson: He sure is taking a long time, isn't he. :) |
| 05:36.51 | Azra`el | zorpit: ok. |
| 05:37.04 | Azra`el | but there's no file with that name on my box |
| 05:37.05 | Azra`el | so.. |
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| 05:37.25 | zorpit | Azra`el: ahh, ok... |
| 05:37.25 | cafuego | Azra`el: You'd be using GRUB or a non-x86 box, then. |
| 05:37.32 | rixth_afk | Does anyone know anything about Grub Error 18? I've just done a fresh install, I get to the stage where it wants me to remove disk and reboot. On the reboot, I get grub Error 18 |
| 05:37.34 | Azra`el | Nope |
| 05:37.38 | Azra`el | lilo. |
| 05:37.39 | zorpit | Azra`el: what about grep boot= /etc/lilo.conf ? |
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| 05:38.34 | Azra`el | boot=/dev/hda |
| 05:38.54 | zorpit | Azra`el: did I say boot=? I meant install= |
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| 05:39.12 | Azra`el | wtf would you need an install section in your lilo.conf? |
| 05:39.39 | zorpit | rixth_afk: i've only used lilo |
| 05:39.54 | stouset | Isn't that for telling it which MBR to write to? |
| 05:40.02 | prahal | rixth_afk: http://listas.udistrital.edu.co/pipermail/debian-users-colombia/2004-July/000046.html , disk geometry error |
| 05:40.03 | Azra`el | uh |
| 05:40.03 | Azra`el | no |
| 05:40.13 | Azra`el | install tells it what interface you get to look at. |
| 05:40.13 | DoctaBu | I AM A LINUX IDIOT |
| 05:40.22 | Phated | Wow, deadcat was right. |
| 05:40.28 | Azra`el | text, a pretty menu, or a bitmap image |
| 05:40.29 | zorpit | Azra`el: maybe my lilo.conf got screwed up a long time ago. =) |
| 05:40.33 | Azra`el | zorpit: |
| 05:40.35 | Azra`el | man lilo.conf |
| 05:40.36 | stouset | I'm sure he'll be thrilled, Phated. |
| 05:40.37 | Azra`el | =D |
| 05:40.46 | Phated | stouset: Course he will. |
| 05:40.59 | prahal | i am sure there where issue with the installer and geometry which have just been fixed (though not released on cd yet) |
| 05:41.05 | PoonJ | hey guys |
| 05:41.14 | zorpit | Azra`el: I was man'ing... that's why I was confused... it was talking about bmp's and such... when I'm seeing install=/boot/boot-map.b (which doesn't exist =)) |
| 05:41.35 | Azra`el | dood |
| 05:41.38 | Azra`el | that's a BITMAP |
| 05:41.41 | Azra`el | a GRAPHIC |
| 05:41.46 | Azra`el | you dig? |
| 05:41.52 | PoonJ | is grub the default boot loader now? |
| 05:41.53 | Azra`el | boot-map.b(mp) |
| 05:41.59 | stouset | PoonJ: yes |
| 05:42.01 | zorpit | Azra`el: aha. =) |
| 05:42.03 | sigma957 | zorpit: that's for having a lilo boot image |
| 05:42.34 | prahal | rixth_afk: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB_boot_menu is this a really old box ? |
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| 05:43.37 | opopanax_gentoo | what else would "bios" be called? mainboard firmware? |
| 05:43.44 | Azra`el | yes |
| 05:45.17 | zorpit | bbiab - thanks |
| 05:45.20 | stouset | anyone know of a nice, Debian-themed grub splashimage? |
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| 05:47.49 | prahal | stouset: debian_cooleye |
| 05:47.57 | bucky | grub-splashimages |
| 05:48.05 | rixth_afk | prahal: How can I tell Debian where to install the kernel? Or should I just make my / partition within the first 1023 cylinders? |
| 05:48.18 | simonrvn | opopanax_gentoo: openboot, open firmware ;p |
| 05:48.19 | opopanax_gentoo | the silly model number is 9547-u9c |
| 05:48.30 | opopanax_gentoo | simonrvn, say again? |
| 05:48.37 | simonrvn | but that's from real computers ;) |
| 05:49.25 | opopanax_gentoo | prahal: debian will let you create a /boot partition. or, if you like, you can put debian anywhere, and just put grub in the mbr |
| 05:49.39 | Azra`el | opopanax_gentoo: i've been looking for |
| 05:49.47 | Azra`el | one minute, 45 seconds |
| 05:49.59 | Azra`el | and i'm looking at a list of firmware updates. |
| 05:50.03 | Azra`el | so |
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| 05:50.06 | opopanax_gentoo | ju find it, eh. |
| 05:50.09 | Azra`el | please to look a tad bit harder. |
| 05:50.15 | opopanax_gentoo | ok, so it's firmware |
| 05:50.17 | opopanax_gentoo | grr |
| 05:50.20 | opopanax_gentoo | i'm lookin for bios |
| 05:50.25 | opopanax_gentoo | :-) guess I am a tard |
| 05:50.31 | opopanax_gentoo | trust me, i've been looking for days. |
| 05:50.38 | opopanax_gentoo | can't see the forest for the trees, i guess. |
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| 05:52.21 | eobanb | what are we talking about here? |
| 05:52.25 | wnaLinux | Can some help me recover my lost data (I lost like 30 mp3s, and did not delete them) |
| 05:52.28 | stouset | prahal: eh? |
| 05:52.37 | Azra`el | eobanb, thinkpad bios |
| 05:52.43 | eobanb | oohh, thinkpad. |
| 05:52.44 | stouset | prahal: Oh, duh. |
| 05:52.46 | eobanb | all right. |
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| 05:53.20 | wnaLinux | Can some help me recover my lost data (I lost like 30 mp3s, and did not delete them) |
| 05:53.22 | zorpit | wnaLinux: how did you lose the data? disk crash? - if so, look in lost+found |
| 05:53.23 | eobanb | is it terribly difficult to re-rip or re-download or whatever 30 mp3 files |
| 05:53.31 | wnaLinux | ok |
| 05:53.51 | zorpit | wnaLinux: if it's in lost+found, the thing that sucks is that you'll have no filenames. |
| 05:53.54 | prahal | stouset: debian_cooleye is in grub-splashimages (use grubconf with all this that s fun ) |
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| 05:54.08 | jdnewmil | I have a PATA main hd, and an SATA data drive... upgraded Sarge kernel 2.6, and it fails on fsck of my SATA drive... but the libsata messages appear... the drive is recognized... but have no entry in /dev for sdaN like my /etc/fstab has been specifying... so, why are sdaN nodes missing? how to restore? |
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| 05:54.19 | wnaLinux | no I dont think there anything in there |
| 05:54.30 | zorpit | Azra`el: oh, by the way, my lilo config basically worked (else I wouldn't by typing this now) |
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| 05:54.38 | zorpit | wnaLinux: Well, how did you lose the files? |
| 05:54.39 | wnaLinux | no nothing |
| 05:54.41 | rixth_afk | My hda is 20.4GB, I need to create a /boot partition within the first 1023 cylinders, how big (in MB) would this partition be (max)? |
| 05:54.41 | opopanax_gentoo | yeah, well. I can find the laptop, but I can't find any bloody firmware for it. |
| 05:54.45 | Azra`el | zorpit: yay. |
| 05:54.48 | bob2 | I love it how people come from #ubuntu here |
| 05:54.51 | bob2 | and don't mention that fact |
| 05:55.00 | bob2 | and ask the same silly question over and over |
| 05:55.00 | opopanax_gentoo | rixth_afk, 32MB should do just fine |
| 05:55.11 | rixth_afk | opopanax_gentoo, thanks |
| 05:55.31 | wnaLinux | zorpit:I dont actually know, my dad just turned off my pc by holding the power button |
| 05:55.42 | gravity | bob2: Cute |
| 05:55.46 | prahal | rixth_afk: hum i read http://www.mepis.org/node/3257 , i don't know but it seems doable |
| 05:55.57 | opopanax_gentoo | well, i'm out for the nite. i'll keep trying. i'm not giving up on this little guy. |
| 05:56.14 | opopanax_gentoo | y'all take care. thanks for the assistance. |
| 05:56.30 | zorpit | wnaLinux: Hrm... well, are you sure you're looking in the right lost+found? it'll be in the top dir of the partition's mount point |
| 05:56.38 | djperegrine | How do I view what prcoesses are running? |
| 05:56.52 | maximus | ps tree |
| 05:56.58 | wnaLinux | zorpit: /lost+found, right? |
| 05:57.04 | zorpit | wnaLinux: This is an example of a good time for ext3 |
| 05:57.18 | zorpit | zorpit: only if you only have one partition |
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| 05:57.21 | vortek | Hello :) |
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| 05:57.34 | rixth_afk | opopanax_gentoo, I set the 32mb /boot partion with the bootable flag on? Also, do I need to also set my / as bootable? |
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| 05:57.46 | wnaLinux | I have ext3 zorpit |
| 05:57.47 | rixth_afk | And where would I install grub? |
| 05:57.48 | zorpit | zorpit: if you have, say, /usr on a different partition, then see what's in /usr/lost+found |
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| 05:57.57 | zorpit | wnaLinux: hrmm, then that's strange |
| 05:58.06 | Azra`el | rixth_afk: on your hard drive |
| 05:58.18 | vortek | I finaly got a pci wireless card that works with ndis In linux... The WG311 v2 wireless netgear card... But Ndis has no documentation in the source .deb .. Any ideas or mini howto's on how to do this ? |
| 05:58.26 | rixth_afk | Azra`el, MBR of first partition? |
| 05:58.27 | Azra`el | vortek: |
| 05:58.31 | rixth_afk | MRB or* |
| 05:58.32 | vortek | Azra`el: sups ? |
| 05:58.44 | bob2 | vortek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper |
| 05:58.47 | Azra`el | intellinet 802.11G (cheap+++, ~$40us) works perfect with madwifi |
| 05:58.48 | zorpit | does ext3 end up filling lost+found like ext2? I've not had that enough crashes on boxes that also had ext3 to know. |
| 05:58.50 | bob2 | vortek: do that once you have the modules installed |
| 05:58.51 | rixth_afk | MBR or first partition* |
| 05:59.07 | vortek | bob2 : do what ? |
| 05:59.13 | Azra`el | ndis is a pita. |
| 05:59.19 | prahal | risky: i would use a rescue cd (or use th install but switch to console after setting up the keyboard), mount my hd root partition on /mnt , chroot /mnt , mount -a , setup network interface , upgrade grub then update-grub and reboot ... but i don't know your skills with chroot |
| 05:59.20 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 05:59.26 | DoctaBu | If I know NOTHING about linux |
| 05:59.27 | wnaLinux | am I out of luck zorpit? |
| 05:59.28 | DoctaBu | Where do I start? |
| 05:59.32 | rixth_afk | I set the 32mb /boot partion with the bootable flag on, right? Also, do I need to also set my / as bootable? Should I install Grub on in the MBR or where? |
| 05:59.39 | bob2 | vortek: read that url? |
| 05:59.47 | bob2 | rixth_afk: nothing cares about the bootable flag |
| 05:59.51 | bob2 | (aside from windows) |
| 05:59.52 | vortek | Im reading it now |
| 05:59.53 | prahal | risky: if it is a new install, reinstalling with adding a boot partition is the easier |
| 05:59.59 | bob2 | and you don't need a /boot partition anymore |
| 06:00.01 | risky | prahal: you meant rixth_afk I think |
| 06:00.02 | bob2 | tho it's no harm to have it |
| 06:00.12 | prahal | gasp sorry |
| 06:00.16 | rixth_afk | bob2, Thas interesting. What about where to install Grub? |
| 06:00.36 | DoctaBu | Those who know about linux- back in the day, when you knew nothing of linux, how did you learn how to do what you do now? Is there any way to do it besides reading manual after manual? |
| 06:00.38 | bob2 | rixth_afk: put it on / |
| 06:00.44 | bob2 | DoctaBu: using it |
| 06:00.47 | rixth_afk | So not in the MBR |
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| 06:00.51 | bob2 | DoctaBu: and hanging around/listening to smart people |
| 06:00.53 | bob2 | rixth_afk: er |
| 06:00.54 | wnaLinux | Can some help me recover my lost data (I lost like 30 mp3s, and did not delete them) |
| 06:00.54 | DoctaBu | bob2 |
| 06:01.02 | bob2 | wnaLinux: stop it |
| 06:01.03 | DoctaBu | I can't even fucking install debian on my computer |
| 06:01.05 | bob2 | wnaLinux: you're being annoying |
| 06:01.07 | mwilson | DoctaBu: You don't think you should have to learn anything? |
| 06:01.14 | DoctaBu | No, I NEED to learn!! |
| 06:01.16 | bob2 | wnaLinux: explain *how* they got lost |
| 06:01.22 | cat | DoctaBu: get the Debian books |
| 06:01.24 | DoctaBu | I keep on annoying the shit out of people |
| 06:01.24 | bob2 | rixth_afk: ? |
| 06:01.34 | DoctaBu | Because I ask them questions |
| 06:01.35 | bob2 | rixth_afk: the boot loader goes in the MBR, which has nothing at all to do with /boot/ |
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| 06:01.40 | wnaLinux | I dont know thats the problem |
| 06:01.51 | bob2 | wnaLinux: yes, it is |
| 06:01.54 | bob2 | wnaLinux: explain what happened |
| 06:01.59 | DoctaBu | AGH!!!!! |
| 06:02.19 | DoctaBu | My friend just signed off after getting completely pissed off at me for not knowing how to partition my hard drive correctly |
| 06:02.22 | wnaLinux | I just checked my folder where I store my mp3's /home/wna/mp3/ |
| 06:02.26 | rixth_afk | bob2, ok |
| 06:02.38 | wnaLinux | and I noticed alot of them were missing |
| 06:02.45 | Azra`el | wnaLinux: someone hacked you and deleted them |
| 06:02.52 | wnaLinux | ? |
| 06:03.00 | mwilson | bob2: Hey, off the top of your head, what's the current package count? |
| 06:03.00 | wnaLinux | im behind a firewall |
| 06:03.01 | zorpit | DoctaBu: do you have 2 computers both connected to the internet, both within arms reach of each other? |
| 06:03.05 | Azra`el | so? |
| 06:03.08 | DoctaBu | yes. |
| 06:03.20 | bob2 | mwilson: 12 000 binary or so |
| 06:03.23 | wnaLinux | so I should be fine |
| 06:03.24 | maximus | google |
| 06:03.31 | DoctaBu | zorpit- yes. why? |
| 06:03.34 | mwilson | I was close. |
| 06:03.39 | zorpit | DoctaBu: do you have a scrap hard drive in either (or could you put one in either?)? |
| 06:03.40 | bob2 | DoctaBu: perhaps ubuntu would be a better choice for now |
| 06:03.48 | bob2 | DoctaBu: assuming you're willing to let it use a whole disk |
| 06:03.56 | DoctaBu | Ok, wait. |
| 06:03.57 | kulk | hello debianĄĄ |
| 06:03.58 | DoctaBu | Listen |
| 06:04.09 | DoctaBu | I really only want this system to do one thing |
| 06:04.13 | DoctaBu | I have this project I want to do. |
| 06:04.22 | DoctaBu | http://bu.dotsomething.net/warcam/how.php |
| 06:04.32 | bob2 | lord |
| 06:04.36 | DoctaBu | I've been running it in windows, but windows sucks. A lot. |
| 06:05.01 | DoctaBu | What I want it to do is jump on any wireless connection the computer senses that doesn't have WEP, take a picture from a webcam, and upload it. |
| 06:05.11 | DoctaBu | That's all I want it to do. |
| 06:05.22 | DoctaBu | And I have this extra laptop and webcam |
| 06:05.31 | DoctaBu | At my complete disposal |
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| 06:06.18 | zorpit | DoctaBu: well, the first thing you need to know is if linux supports the webcam and the wireless card |
| 06:06.23 | DoctaBu | it does. |
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| 06:06.34 | DoctaBu | we found drivers for both. |
| 06:06.56 | DoctaBu | they're both pretty old and well known |
| 06:06.58 | zorpit | DoctaBu: but to answer your earlier question, I'd say 90+% of the people that know stuff about Unix/Linux/Computers-in-General mostly learned it incrementally |
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| 06:07.01 | DoctaBu | orinoco gold / intel easy pc camera |
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| 06:07.13 | DoctaBu | Yeah. |
| 06:07.23 | DoctaBu | See, whenever I ask questions and things, I get yelled at and made fun of. |
| 06:07.33 | zorpit | DoctaBu: Reading a book cover-to-cover can help for major topic jumps (such as learning to program, etc), but most of the time a manpage here, a web site there will do it |
| 06:07.36 | DoctaBu | Because I am, which I admit clearly, a complete idiot when it comes to linux |
| 06:07.51 | DoctaBu | I've never learned with manuals |
| 06:07.52 | zorpit | DoctaBu: maybe you ask them in semi-improper ways? (i've not seen you ask a question that way) |
| 06:08.12 | DoctaBu | I learn with experimentation and help from others. |
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| 06:08.28 | maximus | DoctaBu, get knoppix and try that or a new cdrom for your laptop |
| 06:08.34 | DoctaBu | Well, for example, I have no idea what to do in cfdisk when I'm trying to partition my hdd |
| 06:08.35 | zorpit | DoctaBu: but it sounds like you could find a web site somewhere where someone else set up the webcam on linux, learn how to take snapshots, and then learn about samba so you can upload to the networks you run across |
| 06:08.37 | DoctaBu | I've tried that. |
| 06:08.51 | bob2 | DoctaBu: using woody is a terrible idea then |
| 06:08.53 | DoctaBu | But, tht thing is. |
| 06:08.55 | DoctaBu | the* |
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| 06:09.05 | DoctaBu | How do i load it on in the first place?! |
| 06:09.09 | DoctaBu | What distro should I use? |
| 06:09.12 | dbzdeath | hey how can i change my distro from stable to sarge? |
| 06:09.38 | bob2 | dbzdeath: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 06:09.44 | Rydekull | DoctaBu: THing is, *help from others* isnt anything ya should count on, with computers it's always better if you try very hard to find the information on yer own and then turn to others :) |
| 06:09.45 | zorpit | DoctaBu: i learned linux on slackware back when it had the crappiest possible installation procedure, so you can probably start with anything - just use your windows computer to read the debian installation instructions, and then step through it carefully on your other box |
| 06:09.46 | DoctaBu | My biggest problem is, guys, that I ONLY have a wireless card for getting online |
| 06:09.56 | DoctaBu | Well, i have a Mac. :) |
| 06:10.00 | dbzdeath | bob2: thats an irc command? |
| 06:10.10 | DoctaBu | (It's my first-ever Mac that I got a month ago) |
| 06:10.13 | maximus | dbzdeath, change your apt sources |
| 06:10.14 | Azra`el | DoctaBu: SLIP to theMac |
| 06:10.16 | zorpit | dbzdeath: i'm sure the dpkg response you'll get will have everything you need, but i'll toss this in: i just did that yesterday, and it went very smoothly |
| 06:10.18 | bob2 | dbzdeath: indeed |
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| 06:11.02 | zorpit | maximus: ...and do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:11.06 | DoctaBu | So, should I stay with debianb |
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| 06:11.12 | DoctaBu | or should I choose a different distro? |
| 06:11.38 | DoctaBu | knoppix std would work if it had webcam software on it. |
| 06:11.58 | hiipii | I just installed kde with "apt-get install x-window-system kde" how do i make it not start the x server at startup? |
| 06:12.01 | DoctaBu | and the thing is, really, I want a window manager, but it's gonna run semi-well on 64MB of ram and 233MHz |
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| 06:12.17 | DoctaBu | err 500Mhz |
| 06:12.20 | gravity | hiipii: remove all dm's or /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:12.31 | zorpit | DoctaBu: i like debian a lot. i have felt like it's always been malleable - it does what i ask, has great support (here, mostly), and isn't all commercialified |
| 06:12.34 | hiipii | aight ty |
| 06:12.34 | DoctaBu | any idea, bob2, zorpit, or other linux gurus |
| 06:12.47 | DoctaBu | See, zorpit. |
| 06:12.53 | DoctaBu | There's one problem that I'm having |
| 06:12.59 | DoctaBu | that's stopping me from even installing things |
| 06:13.03 | DoctaBu | and getting it running in the first place |
| 06:13.10 | DoctaBu | !tell doctabu about enter |
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| 06:13.21 | majortool | how do i get modules to autoload |
| 06:13.25 | majortool | ? |
| 06:13.39 | DoctaBu | Is that I ONLY have a wireless card in this laptop and I cannot connect to the internet without getting it running there/ |
| 06:13.40 | zorpit | DoctaBu: X window + WindowMaker works just fine on a 133MHz & 32 Mb Ram |
| 06:13.58 | DoctaBu | PLUS, the netinstall CD for debian sarge will not work for some reason on my computer |
| 06:14.02 | zorpit | majortool: edit /etc/modules, and run update-modules |
| 06:14.03 | maximus | DoctaBu, I thought we came to the conclusion that your cdrom is your problem |
| 06:14.06 | DoctaBu | I've tried it on others, and it works fine, but for some reason... |
| 06:14.20 | DoctaBu | But the CDROM in this thing works FINE with everything else!! |
| 06:14.27 | DoctaBu | I loaded woody onto the computer with it! |
| 06:14.28 | zorpit | DoctaBu: what does it do? does it start the installation and stop? |
| 06:14.33 | majortool | zorpit, ty |
| 06:14.36 | DoctaBu | It starts the bootup process |
| 06:14.38 | DoctaBu | whatnot |
| 06:14.43 | DoctaBu | then once it gets past language, etc. |
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| 06:14.46 | DoctaBu | and checking for CDROM drive |
| 06:14.50 | DoctaBu | it starts loading a little |
| 06:14.59 | DoctaBu | then it says that it's not a valid Debian CD or something |
| 06:15.11 | DoctaBu | I've md5 checked it... I've downloaded it and burned it on two different comptuers |
| 06:15.38 | zorpit | DoctaBu: did you say this was a mac laptop? |
| 06:15.42 | DoctaBu | no |
| 06:15.46 | DoctaBu | the one I'm talking on NOW is. |
| 06:15.51 | DoctaBu | The one I'm installing on is a PC. |
| 06:16.55 | stouset | DoctaBu: Are you sure it's not a pirated copy? |
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| 06:17.00 | zorpit | DoctaBu: have you tried googling for "ibm thinkpad" "not a valid Debian CD" (replace the first with your general laptop name, & the second with part of the exact error message) |
| 06:17.01 | stouset | Debian has strong anti-copy protection on it. |
| 06:17.04 | DoctaBu | of DEBIAN?! |
| 06:17.05 | zorpit | PIRATED COPY?? |
| 06:17.07 | stouset | :-D |
| 06:17.10 | zorpit | lol |
| 06:17.11 | DoctaBu | geeez. |
| 06:17.20 | DoctaBu | hmmm, no i haven't. |
| 06:17.20 | mrhemlock | Can someone help me in #flood, i am trying to build perl from source package |
| 06:17.46 | DoctaBu | I put in someone else's serial code when I installed Debian, is that bad?? |
| 06:17.57 | zorpit | there are serial codes? |
| 06:17.59 | zorpit | i'm confused |
| 06:18.00 | DoctaBu | haha |
| 06:18.03 | spo0nman | http://www.419eater.com/html/kothapalli_rao.htm |
| 06:18.04 | bob2 | god |
| 06:18.04 | DoctaBu | kidding also :) |
| 06:18.07 | zorpit | dang |
| 06:18.09 | zorpit | stop that stuff |
| 06:18.10 | stouset | All the Debian CDs are protected with Cactus Data Shield. Right, guys? |
| 06:18.10 | DoctaBu | heheh |
| 06:18.13 | spo0nman | oops |
| 06:18.13 | stouset | Right? :-) |
| 06:18.46 | stouset | DoctaBu: I haven't found a Debian keygen or crack out there yet that works :-( |
| 06:18.47 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 06:18.50 | DoctaBu | crap. |
| 06:18.55 | stouset | DoctaBu: I can't figure out where to enter the key. |
| 06:18.58 | DoctaBu | I had one, but it only runs on windows. |
| 06:19.03 | stouset | DoctaBu: So I'm pretty much stuck. |
| 06:19.06 | DoctaBu | And when I tried it, it crashed. |
| 06:19.07 | debian | so much for using pirated Debian Linux |
| 06:19.09 | gravity | wine could probably run a keygen :-p |
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| 06:19.14 | DoctaBu | hahah |
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| 06:19.17 | DoctaBu | yes, good point. |
| 06:19.23 | DoctaBu | Too bad I'm a LINUX IDIOT. |
| 06:19.28 | DoctaBu | At least I can admit it |
| 06:19.41 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. as theer a way to tell apt to ignore everything BUT a certain set of packages and what they depend on from a site? |
| 06:19.46 | DoctaBu | <noobeeee> what's is teh Kernal?! |
| 06:19.46 | gravity | You're just a newbie. Keep learning and keep reading. |
| 06:19.49 | gravity | Everyone starts somewhere |
| 06:19.54 | DoctaBu | yeah |
| 06:20.04 | DoctaBu | and that somewhere is full of mistakes, problems, and making-fun |
| 06:20.09 | cat | lol |
| 06:20.14 | DoctaBu | and annoying-ones-who-know-shit |
| 06:20.18 | cat | by reading you can understand better linux |
| 06:20.22 | gravity | I'm so glad you didn't say "making love" |
| 06:20.26 | gravity | That would freak me the fuck out |
| 06:20.26 | DoctaBu | ahahhaha |
| 06:20.35 | DoctaBu | THATS how I learn linux!! |
| 06:20.39 | cat | that's how everyone learns Linux |
| 06:20.41 | DoctaBu | STD! |
| 06:20.43 | cat | !lart DoctaBu |
| 06:20.55 | DoctaBu | wait, so... Knoppix STD |
| 06:21.01 | DoctaBu | OMG I'M FINISHING THE PUZZLE |
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| 06:21.06 | cat | wtf? |
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| 06:21.09 | stouset | cat: when did we get a /dev/ear device? |
| 06:21.18 | DoctaBu | never heard of knoppix std? |
| 06:21.20 | cat | since dpkg was born |
| 06:21.23 | DoctaBu | Even _I've_ heard of it |
| 06:21.26 | debian | stouset: it's right below the /dev/eyes device |
| 06:21.29 | cat | what the heck is knoppix? |
| 06:21.33 | DoctaBu | !!! |
| 06:21.33 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 06:21.43 | DoctaBu | haha. |
| 06:21.44 | stouset | !#/ |
| 06:21.48 | DoctaBu | !poopy |
| 06:21.57 | Guerin | easy |
| 06:22.00 | stouset | debian: I can't wait for /dev/tongue |
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| 06:22.29 | debian | ookay, DoctaBu what was your question again |
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| 06:22.55 | DoctaBu | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:RHjJyPqiSAcJ:ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Fgoto%3Dlastpost%26t%3D20433+%22Failed+to+copy+file+from+CDROM%22+debian&hl=en&client=safari |
| 06:22.58 | DoctaBu | What do you know!!! |
| 06:23.16 | debian | nothing |
| 06:23.18 | DoctaBu | someone else has my problem, and they don't have it answered either!! |
| 06:23.28 | Guerin | omgwtflol |
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| 06:23.49 | Todd_ | heh, quoting from the Scion website "High Performance - The 1.5 Liter 16 valve in-line 4-cylinder engine is found in Scion xB" |
| 06:23.55 | debian | then that's not your problem now right? :) |
| 06:24.01 | DoctaBu | what I want to do in linux, debian: http://bu.dotsomething.net/warcam/how.php |
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| 06:24.03 | zorpit | DoctaBu: well, have you looked at the not-cached version? |
| 06:24.08 | DoctaBu | no :-P |
| 06:24.20 | sCag | Someone knows how to apache tune up? |
| 06:24.40 | debian | sCag: read the o'reily book on Apache Performance Tuning |
| 06:24.43 | zorpit | sCag: what kind of tune up are you looking fore? |
| 06:24.57 | bob2 | http://www.roflcopter.com/ |
| 06:25.00 | DoctaBu | DEBIAN OWNS MY SOUL (the distro, not the person) |
| 06:25.08 | stouset | DoctaBu: typically, that problem is caused by either a 1) failing burner, or 2) failing cd drive |
| 06:25.16 | gravity | bob2: Terrifying |
| 06:25.20 | simonrvn | there is no debian person. |
| 06:25.22 | gravity | bob2: And yet somehow very amusing |
| 06:25.26 | sCag | performance tune... connection is too much |
| 06:25.34 | DoctaBu | stpiset |
| 06:25.36 | DoctaBu | stouset |
| 06:25.42 | DoctaBu | I tried the CD in a different computer, it works. |
| 06:25.48 | DoctaBu | This CDROM drive I'm trying ot read from |
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| 06:26.04 | DoctaBu | Has been used a LOT recently, including installing woody twice- once before sarge and once after |
| 06:26.09 | DoctaBu | both which have worked |
| 06:26.22 | cat | sarge is not released yet |
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| 06:27.01 | simonrvn | when is he going to be stop being annoying? |
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| 06:27.35 | DoctaBu | wjho is he? |
| 06:27.36 | DoctaBu | me? |
| 06:27.41 | maximus | DoctaBu, maybe download the first cd of sarge pop it in with woody running and do dist upgrade |
| 06:27.56 | DoctaBu | where is the first CD of sarge? |
| 06:28.01 | DoctaBu | I only had hte net install |
| 06:28.02 | maximus | google |
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| 06:28.41 | axiom242 | i was using emacs thru ssh and got booted (my internet connection is down). I am back into the box, via ssh and still see the emacs process. how can i reactivate it within my new ssh session? |
| 06:29.13 | bob2 | doubt that's possible |
| 06:29.19 | zorpit | axiom242: first of all, start running screen |
| 06:29.21 | bob2 | in future, run it in screen |
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| 06:29.46 | axiom242 | ahh |
| 06:29.55 | axiom242 | so i have to kill it and then re-open it? |
| 06:30.00 | Guerin | and/or run gnuserv/gnuclient |
| 06:30.01 | zorpit | axiom242: i think if you kill it it'll know to recover |
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| 06:30.26 | axiom242 | kill -HUP ? |
| 06:30.49 | simonrvn | @screen++ |
| 06:31.05 | axiom242 | yeah but it's too late - wasnt running screen |
| 06:31.10 | gravity | I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't think screen is worth futzing with |
| 06:31.11 | axiom242 | sigh i'll just kill -9 it and start over |
| 06:31.26 | Guerin | it's got to the point where I hit C-a a to go to the start of the line, instead of C-a |
| 06:31.27 | jm_ | don't use kill -9 |
| 06:31.30 | simonrvn | @screen gravity |
| 06:31.32 | gravity | Of course, that may change |
| 06:31.40 | Guerin | it gets me sometimes when I run asudo halt |
| 06:31.42 | axiom242 | jm_: what signal then? |
| 06:31.49 | sCag | I exprience so many connection is into the mysql server so server is down, that was "unathenticated login" |
| 06:31.53 | sCag | how to solve it;; |
| 06:31.57 | simonrvn | gravity: it's worth the shallow learning curve ;p |
| 06:32.07 | sCag | anyone experience that? |
| 06:32.08 | jm_ | axiom242: always try it with default signal first (so kill <PID>), use -9 as a last resort |
| 06:32.13 | Guerin | sCag: don't be so popular |
| 06:32.28 | zorpit | gravity: i can't speak for anyone else, but i can't imagine it not being worth it... the expense is what... 1/2sec startup time and losing ^A passing through without hitting ^Aa ? |
| 06:32.32 | gravity | simonrvn: It's not the curve, it just doesn't buy me anything I need |
| 06:32.35 | simonrvn | sCag: upgrade the hardware. e.g. more RAM |
| 06:32.38 | DoctaBu | agh I'm lost on these mirrors |
| 06:32.46 | DoctaBu | can someone help me just FIND the sarge CDs |
| 06:32.50 | DoctaBu | (images) |
| 06:32.53 | sCag | simonrvn: It's not a memory problem. |
| 06:33.00 | simonrvn | gravity: do you do a lot of remote stuff? or run a lot of terms, x or console? |
| 06:33.04 | Guerin | !d-i DoctaBu |
| 06:33.05 | dpkg | DoctaBu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:33.06 | zorpit | gravity: so what do you do when you're command-lining? lots of bg'ing and clicking on xterm icons? |
| 06:33.07 | gravity | simonrvn: Nope |
| 06:33.07 | maximus | DoctaBu, how did I know http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 06:33.16 | jm_ | I prefer a lot of terminals to screen |
| 06:33.17 | simonrvn | sCag: it's just an example.... |
| 06:33.19 | gravity | simonrvn: Console is the only one, and I take care of that with gnome-terminal tabs |
| 06:33.19 | DoctaBu | magic! |
| 06:33.27 | Guerin | eew |
| 06:33.27 | sCag | yup |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin | gnome-terminal |
| 06:33.42 | Guerin | all the terminals with tabs are shit |
| 06:33.45 | jm_ | gravity: I do, MGT in the past, mrxvt now |
| 06:33.47 | gravity | Guerin: Yeah, but the URI recognition stuff is to die for |
| 06:33.50 | DoctaBu | hey! I was already downloading it! lol |
| 06:33.50 | jm_ | no they aren't |
| 06:33.53 | Guerin | woah, hang on |
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| 06:33.57 | Guerin | mrxvt? |
| 06:33.57 | gravity | Guerin: Unfortunately, the speed of gnome-terminal nearly kills you |
| 06:33.59 | DoctaBu | it has over an hour remaining. |
| 06:34.00 | DoctaBu | Meh. |
| 06:34.01 | zorpit | gravity: using the mouse is for web browsing, gimping, and not much else. =) |
| 06:34.02 | DoctaBu | I'll go to bed. |
| 06:34.06 | simonrvn | mrxvt? does it do unicode? |
| 06:34.11 | DoctaBu | Thanks everybody, for all of your help. |
| 06:34.13 | DoctaBu | You guys are gods. |
| 06:34.17 | zorpit | gravity: oh yeah, there are keybindings on those tabby terminals |
| 06:34.17 | Guerin | gravity: that's why I stopped using it. the uri-recognition and hooking was cool though |
| 06:34.22 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.29 | Guerin | we are but demigods |
| 06:34.32 | zorpit | cat++ |
| 06:34.34 | gravity | Guerin: It's the killer feature for me. It makes irc a lot more pleasureable |
| 06:34.36 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 06:34.40 | DoctaBu | FINE |
| 06:34.52 | DoctaBu | Thank you. |
| 06:34.53 | gravity | Guerin: I *wish* a better terminal had it |
| 06:34.54 | Guerin | gravity: I think it's a feature to have to try really hard to open any link in an irc client :) |
| 06:35.00 | jm_ | simonrvn: not yet |
| 06:35.01 | gravity | Guerin: Ha! |
| 06:35.07 | DoctaBu | Goodnight everybody!! |
| 06:35.17 | sCag | bye~ DoctaBu |
| 06:35.17 | cat | is good to read some books on bash |
| 06:35.23 | DoctaBu | ...I'll be back! AAHAHAHAHAAA!!! MORE QUESTIONS!!! |
| 06:35.26 | DoctaBu | WHAT IS A KERNEL?! |
| 06:35.31 | simonrvn | jm_: home built i guess, don't have it here in apt-cache |
| 06:35.35 | DoctaBu | WHAT IS HARD DRIVE?! |
| 06:35.40 | DoctaBu | PARTITION?! |
| 06:35.44 | DoctaBu | googood night/ |
| 06:35.45 | jm_ | simonrvn: correct, it's not in Debian, although it should be trivial to package it |
| 06:35.50 | Guerin | DoctaBu: if you keep on like that you won't be allowed back |
| 06:35.50 | cat | DoctaBu: find out on google |
| 06:35.56 | DoctaBu | I'm kidding, cat. |
| 06:36.11 | DoctaBu | THAT I actually know. |
| 06:36.12 | DoctaBu | Night. |
| 06:36.25 | cat | again? |
| 06:36.45 | Guerin | anyway, i wouldn't be able to realistically use a tabbed gui terminal in ratpoison |
| 06:36.54 | Guerin | i'd need to get a damn mouse |
| 06:37.04 | gravity | ewww... krooger |
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| 06:37.10 | Guerin | gravity: seconded |
| 06:37.11 | zorpit | Guerin: why not? aren't there keyboard shortcuts for the tabs? |
| 06:37.13 | Hackel | The new Debian installer had a really nice UI for setting up partitions/LVM groups/RAID, etc. How can I run this on an existing Debian system? |
| 06:37.13 | jm_ | no, you can switch tabs with keyboard |
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| 06:37.33 | Guerin | oh yeah, but they're there, begging to be clicked on |
| 06:37.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: mutt-ng. has the sidebar patch. -> deb http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv binary-powerpc/ deb-src http://www.lxtec.de/debarchiv sources/ |
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| 06:37.47 | stouset | Hackel: setting up LVM on an already-existing system is not recommended |
| 06:37.50 | Guerin | my muscle-memory takes over and goes for the mouse |
| 06:38.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: hooray! |
| 06:38.18 | simonrvn | buncha other patches too |
| 06:38.25 | jm_ | that's one feature that I missed in mutt when I switched to sylpheed-claws, there are still other things that prevent me from switching back though |
| 06:38.41 | Guerin | what is the -ng? |
| 06:38.46 | gravity | next generation |
| 06:38.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:38.49 | jm_ | next generation? |
| 06:38.51 | simonrvn | new gen. |
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| 06:39.08 | simonrvn | yeh, sorry, next |
| 06:40.18 | Hackel | stouset: Why? I've got a new drive and want to set it up as LVM from the start, before I copy my existing system onto it. |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | hrm, the intarweb seems not to be flakey now |
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| 06:42.10 | c4_ | why # beep -f 1000 -l 500 isn't makeing any pc-spkr sound? |
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| 06:43.25 | simonrvn | oh, and reconnect to imap server. really cool. just did it |
| 06:44.06 | c4_ | do i need something in the kernel or a lib to use the pcspeaker> |
| 06:44.12 | c4_ | ? |
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| 06:44.25 | cat | nope |
| 06:44.25 | Guerin | fucking fuckity fuck |
| 06:44.40 | c4_ | hehe |
| 06:44.40 | jm_ | c4_: yes |
| 06:44.50 | Guerin | damnit, about every 5th http connection just times out |
| 06:44.51 | dbzdeath | whats the debian package name for unreal ircd? i tried apt-cache search unreal but nothing comes up |
| 06:44.58 | c4_ | jm_? |
| 06:45.04 | eobanb | there's a deb package for unreal ircd?? |
| 06:45.05 | c4_ | jm_: what? |
| 06:45.08 | maximus | c4_, if you got stock kernel should work |
| 06:45.12 | dbzdeath | eobanb: i heard there was? |
| 06:45.21 | cat | eobanb: try apt-cache search |
| 06:45.24 | cat | urneal |
| 06:45.28 | cat | *unreal but i don't think so |
| 06:45.30 | eobanb | ........ |
| 06:45.33 | eobanb | see above, cat |
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| 06:45.37 | dbzdeath | cat: i did search it... but there is none |
| 06:45.45 | dbzdeath | doesn't exist? |
| 06:45.47 | cat | then there's your answer |
| 06:46.01 | cat | dbzdeath: get it from ircdunreal.org i believed not sure |
| 06:46.03 | dbzdeath | ah thought it might have been called something retarded :P |
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| 06:46.04 | eobanb | i really doubt unreal has any significant dependencies... |
| 06:46.06 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.08 | c4_ | maximus: pleace i dont like another guy compiled kernel, i have some "sensible" stuff in mine |
| 06:46.23 | Guerin | c4_: well, you'd better figure it out, then |
| 06:46.32 | maximus | c4_, are you saying you compiled it |
| 06:47.04 | c4_ | jm_: what part of make menuconfig do i look for? |
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| 06:47.38 | c4_ | allways the same, or you do it my way or... well, is true |
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| 06:48.05 | maximus | c4_, you need module pcspeaker |
| 06:48.06 | c4_ | maximus: yes, so?, i'm on my own? |
| 06:48.07 | jm_ | c4_: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:48.25 | c4_ | jm_: yes |
| 06:48.27 | dvsdude | hey all how do i control which audio jack sound comes out of ie green or pink etc knoppix hd install the sound is working but its coming out of the pink audio jack on motherboard not green any suggestions |
| 06:48.35 | aedwards | anyone have an idea on this one...Bind will not send external request to the forwarders in the named.conf. Local zones are resolving. A tcpdump of the interface shows that queries never get forwarded. Am I missing something? |
| 06:48.36 | Coke | Hello. I have the Sarge RC2 net install ISO on a CD. The installer tells me there are no modules available for the kernel used in the install, can I work around this? |
| 06:48.46 | jm_ | c4_: CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR |
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| 06:49.16 | cat | Coke: try loading them with modprobe |
| 06:49.19 | Coke | There has to be a work around, otherwise all installation ISO's with an older kernel than the latest in testing would be useless. |
| 06:49.30 | Coke | cat: they have to be downloaded first |
| 06:49.53 | dvsdude | hello all any help here for knoppix |
| 06:49.53 | cat | the cds most come with them |
| 06:49.57 | cat | dvsdude: try #Knoppix |
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| 06:50.11 | c4_ | jm_: olimpicus zeus bless you |
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| 06:50.30 | Guerin | whois Guerin |
| 06:50.32 | Guerin | eh |
| 06:50.49 | eobanb | good job. |
| 06:50.56 | Guerin | navel gazing again |
| 06:50.59 | Guerin | that's me |
| 06:51.15 | sussudio | in soviet russia, navel gazes at you |
| 06:51.15 | Coke | damn it. I'm stuck in my office with a useless Debian installer ISO and no way of burning a new CD. |
| 06:51.37 | karsten | Guerin: May I introduce Guerin |
| 06:51.43 | karsten | Guerin: ...and to you, Guerin. |
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| 06:51.58 | jm_ | coke;I would expect that the modules are on the CD, with the kernel |
| 06:52.00 | dvsdude | I have a via based motherboard and knoppix detects the sound but instead of it coming out of the green audio jack it comes out the pink any ideas on how to change this |
| 06:52.02 | jm_ | doh |
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| 06:52.19 | karsten | Guerin: Though one of my hosts is named 'navel', and I'm curious as to why you're gazing at it. |
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| 06:53.19 | Guerin | karsten: thanks mate |
| 06:53.31 | trelane | wow look at this channel, all these poeple and no ops |
| 06:53.32 | trelane | how sad |
| 06:53.45 | Guerin | karsten: actually, it was very much like that - I was introducing my current ip to my squid acl |
| 06:53.46 | c4_ | jm_: err... that isn't in my /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.5/.config, should i include the line CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=y ? |
| 06:54.28 | Guerin | trelane: they're stealth ops here |
| 06:54.37 | sussudio | hmmm |
| 06:54.45 | EfaistOs | do u know a soft to convert ogg to mp3 ? |
| 06:54.50 | dbzdeath | in debian where would be the best place to place unrealircd? |
| 06:54.58 | trelane | Guerin, indeed |
| 06:55.00 | Guerin | EfaistOs: decode to wave, pipe to lame |
| 06:55.04 | trelane | dbzdeath, /dev/null |
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| 06:55.07 | dbzdeath | haha |
| 06:55.10 | dbzdeath | seriously.. |
| 06:55.14 | trelane | no, seriously |
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| 06:55.18 | Guerin | dbzdeath: is it even free software? |
| 06:55.21 | trelane | carsten is a friend, but lets be honest his IRCD sucks |
| 06:55.24 | dbzdeath | Guerin: yes it is |
| 06:55.37 | jm_ | c4_: no, use one of the regular config targets |
| 06:55.49 | Guerin | dbzdeath: beer or bullhorn? |
| 06:56.00 | dbzdeath | Guerin: ? |
| 06:56.07 | Sarah | hello, anyone know how to unmount whne i get this: |
| 06:56.09 | Sarah | umount /mnt/auto/cdrom1/ |
| 06:56.09 | Sarah | umount: /mnt/auto/cdrom1: device is busy |
| 06:56.24 | c4_ | jm_: what is a regular config target? where is that? |
| 06:56.40 | jm_ | c4_: "make menuconfig" and others |
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| 06:56.49 | dvsdude | Sarah theres normally a file still open there is a lsof command but not 100% |
| 06:56.54 | Guerin | dbzdeath: /msg dpkg free software |
| 06:57.06 | c4_ | jm_: i mean, that CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR isn't in my menuconfig created file |
| 06:57.07 | Guerin | Sarah: type cd |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | Sarah: then try again |
| 06:57.44 | Sarah | doesn't work |
| 06:57.44 | dvsdude | Guerin yes but if thats not the case there is a way to see what is keeping the cd busy |
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| 06:57.50 | sussudio | hmm asshole |
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| 06:58.09 | dvsdude | Guerin I thought it was to do with open files |
| 06:58.14 | jm_ | c4_: bah, make menuconfig -> Device drivers -> Input device support -> Misc -> PC Speaker support |
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| 06:58.38 | c4_ | let me see that... |
| 06:59.22 | sussudio | bob2: can you keep an eye on trelane? |
| 06:59.29 | c4_ | got it! |
| 06:59.29 | bob2 | always |
| 06:59.30 | Sarah | :( |
| 06:59.35 | c4_ | jm_: cool!!! |
| 06:59.40 | c4_ | super |
| 06:59.42 | trelane | an eye on trelane? |
| 06:59.43 | sussudio | bob2: he was banned previously for join/crapflooding the channel with bots |
| 06:59.46 | c4_ | bye! |
| 06:59.50 | trelane | sussudio, that's wonderful |
| 06:59.51 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:59.54 | bob2 | and trolling |
| 06:59.58 | sussudio | yes |
| 07:00.00 | trelane | flamebaiting |
| 07:00.05 | trelane | please 2 read jargon dictionary kthx |
| 07:00.06 | Guerin | dvsdude: 90% of those problems are due to a prompt or something being open to the dir being unmounted |
| 07:00.06 | bob2 | and he claims to be some sort of crusader |
| 07:00.13 | trelane | bob2, no, merely God himself |
| 07:00.25 | trelane | or Himself as it were if you're Catholic |
| 07:00.29 | trelane | shrugs |
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| 07:00.51 | zorpit | Sarah: do you have lsof? if so: lsof | grep -i cdrom |
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| 07:01.03 | EfaistOs | Guerin, lame some special options ? |
| 07:01.04 | dvsdude | Guerin yes i know but i have this issue on occassion and i'm not in the mount point and even if the devise is mounted by a user root cannot unmount it |
| 07:01.10 | Guerin | EfaistOs: man lame |
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| 07:01.22 | Guerin | dvsdude: umount -l |
| 07:01.47 | zorpit | am i the only one who loves the new kernel compile output format? |
| 07:02.00 | zorpit | am i the only one that thinks dpkg/apt could learn a lot from it? |
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| 07:02.07 | Guerin | by "new", I guess you mean 2.6 ? |
| 07:02.11 | dvsdude | zorpit thanks lsof is a way to see whats open and then kill it correct?? |
| 07:02.14 | trelane | did you know Guiness comes in a bottle now? |
| 07:02.14 | zorpit | Guerin, yep |
| 07:02.31 | zorpit | dvsdude: pretty much |
| 07:02.32 | Guerin | trelane: by "now" i guess you mean "for years and years" |
| 07:02.38 | rixth_afk | Ok, I was getting error 18 before, so I setup a /boot partition (primary) then a swap partition (logical) and a / partition (logical). I installed grub on /dev/hda2 as /dev/hda is the MBR. Now I get Grub Error 15 |
| 07:02.55 | trelane | Guerin, right, it's Brilliant! |
| 07:02.56 | Sarah | ty zorpit :-* |
| 07:03.03 | zorpit | trelane: did you check out that weird plastic thing? it's got nitrogen & CO2 that release to create a head inside the bottle |
| 07:03.17 | dvsdude | zorpit thanks |
| 07:03.21 | trelane | zorpit, yeah, I've been trying to figure out how to get one out of the bottle without breaking it |
| 07:03.24 | scrooge | os[pankey@gentrino, Linux 2.6.10-gentoo-r7 i686] |
| 07:03.25 | trelane | it's pressurized |
| 07:03.26 | scrooge | gentooooooooooo |
| 07:03.28 | scrooge | :) |
| 07:03.34 | scrooge | wats up with debian-utils? |
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| 07:03.39 | scrooge | or debianutils |
| 07:03.41 | scrooge | one of them |
| 07:03.51 | zorpit | trelane: well, they make 'em on purpose so you don't swallow them. I just put a bottle in a paper bag & hit it against the concrete to see the rocket |
| 07:04.03 | trelane | zorpit, havn't tried that |
| 07:04.06 | trelane | waste of a good beer |
| 07:04.10 | rixth_afk | Ok, I was getting error 18 before, so I setup a /boot partition (primary) then a swap partition (logical) and a / partition (logical). I installed grub on /dev/hda2 as /dev/hda is the MBR. Now I get Grub Error 15. Where should I have installed Grub? /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 also, waht is error 15? |
| 07:04.20 | zorpit | trelane: oh, geez... i wouldn't do that before I drank it! |
| 07:04.22 | zorpit | sheesh |
| 07:04.26 | scrooge | lol |
| 07:04.37 | sep | rixth_afk: grus goes on /dev/hda |
| 07:04.37 | zorpit | i wouldn't do that if i was a billionare |
| 07:04.42 | sep | grub IS the mbr |
| 07:04.57 | revelater | hey anybody here able to help me? i seem to be missing initrd.img (among other things) (mostly due to misuse of something called 'rm') |
| 07:05.01 | Guerin | trelane: it's not brilliant, guinness in a bottle is awful |
| 07:05.07 | gravity | It's... tolerable |
| 07:05.07 | scrooge | lol |
| 07:05.08 | trelane | zorpit, agreed, disrespect for good beer is intolerable, I am personally a fan of preserving the IRA simply to ensure Guiness is not disrespected. |
| 07:05.10 | scrooge | rm == remove |
| 07:05.13 | trelane | Guerin, we don't all live in dublin |
| 07:05.17 | Guerin | no, we don't |
| 07:05.25 | Guerin | some of us have never been to dublin |
| 07:05.28 | rixth_afk | sep: no, if I put it there, I get error 18 so I have to create a /boot partition in the first 1023 cylinders. (this computer is fairly old) |
| 07:05.28 | bob2 | revelater: reinstall the kernel-image |
| 07:05.34 | revelater | it didn't work |
| 07:05.36 | scrooge | wats dublin? |
| 07:05.38 | scrooge | germany? |
| 07:05.39 | gravity | trelane: Uh... most people outside of Ireland can get Guinness on tap |
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| 07:05.42 | dvsdude | revelater mkinitrd command |
| 07:05.45 | zorpit | if anyone wants a good Guinness pour, come to Lubbock, TX. The bartendress puts a clover in the head using the final drip, even |
| 07:05.50 | Guerin | scrooge: it's what happens when you get one thing and make it onto two |
| 07:05.53 | sep | rixth_afk: and why cant you have a boot partition ? |
| 07:06.02 | Guerin | zorpit: pure showmanship |
| 07:06.03 | scrooge | Guerin, like when u cut people in half? |
| 07:06.16 | Guerin | it takes exactly 5 minutes to learn how to pour a pint of guinness |
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| 07:06.31 | rixth_afk | sep, I HAVE to have a boot partition, otherwise I get Error 18 |
| 07:06.35 | zorpit | revelater: by "didn't work" do you mean it failed, or it didn't replace the file? |
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| 07:06.41 | rixth_afk | If I put it in /dev/hda I get error 18 |
| 07:06.52 | zorpit | Guerin: maybe |
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| 07:07.09 | revelater | dvsdude, with what paramaters? |
| 07:07.22 | revelater | zorpit, it didn't create a new one |
| 07:07.34 | zorpit | revelater: are you sure it's an initrd kernel? |
| 07:07.56 | zorpit | revelater: it might not be, and it might just be that the lilo.conf is legacy from a previous one that was |
| 07:07.58 | revelater | zorpit, yah just installed it, newest version |
| 07:08.28 | sep | rixth_afk: then make a small /boot on /dev/hda1 and you still want to put rub on /dev/hda |
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| 07:08.29 | sep | +g |
| 07:08.31 | dvsdude | revelater cd to the /lib/modules directory mkinitrd 2.6.8 -o initrd.img-2.6.9 if using 2,6,9 kernel |
| 07:08.31 | zorpit | i don't really know much about the initrd stuff. i sort of avoid them |
| 07:08.58 | dvsdude | revelater sorry typo 2.6.8 = 2.6.9 |
| 07:09.03 | revelater | dvsdude, there is a 2.6.9??? |
| 07:09.10 | mrhemlock | what are alternative for script? Is there a way to get rid of/clean a script log ? |
| 07:09.24 | rixth_afk | sep, how can I, the setup partitioner it very basic. |
| 07:09.33 | dvsdude | revelater thats the kernel version number you can sym link to it |
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| 07:09.51 | zorpit | mrhemlock: just "rm typescript" |
| 07:09.56 | revelater | dvsdude, ohh... i only got 2.6.8 |
| 07:09.57 | jm_ | mrhelm;that's the idea of script |
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| 07:10.06 | dvsdude | eg ln -s /boot/initrd.img-2.6.9 initrd.img if using 2.6.9 kernel |
| 07:10.10 | zorpit | mrhemlock: about alternatives... I donno, what do you want to be different? |
| 07:10.23 | dvsdude | revelator so change all my 2.6.9 to 2.6.8 |
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| 07:10.42 | aedwards | folk if I turn forward only on in bind's named.conf I get results. Any idea how I can get bind to do local and external lookups for clients? |
| 07:10.45 | mrhemlock | get rid of curses stuf character like Ctrl-H |
| 07:11.02 | dvsdude | revelator when run in /lib/modules directory you will end up with the .img file then move this file to /.boot |
| 07:11.14 | dvsdude | revelator soz not /.boot but /boot |
| 07:11.17 | jm_ | mrhemlock: ttyrec, ttyplay |
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| 07:11.29 | jm_ | mrhemlock: or just use less -r typescript |
| 07:11.32 | sep | rixth_: cfdisk or what are you partitioning with ? delete all partitions then make a small /boot a large / and a swap thats 2x your RAM |
| 07:12.00 | dvsdude | revelator if your system spits dummy when trying to run the mkinitrd command you may need some extra packages |
| 07:12.06 | revelater | dvsdude, er at the end not or... |
| 07:12.38 | dvsdude | revelater ?? |
| 07:12.41 | revelater | yah |
| 07:13.10 | revelater | dvsdud, i went through alot of trouble figuring out the proper spelling of that... |
| 07:13.19 | revelater | dvsdude |
| 07:13.28 | revelater | sorry |
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| 07:13.44 | rixth_ | sep: I CANT use sep as I can't load ANY os. Nor can I even get to a grub command line |
| 07:13.52 | rixth_ | I can't use cfdisk* |
| 07:14.02 | mrhemlock | jm_, thnx |
| 07:14.29 | sep | rixth_: what is this setup partitioner your talking about then ? use a livecd, use a floppy, what are you trying to install anyway |
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| 07:15.10 | s-toned | ifupdown failed to update The canonical path of /etc/network/run could not be determined. Aborting. |
| 07:15.35 | omry | ban IQ, onjoin spammer. |
| 07:15.46 | rixth_ | sep, it's the partioner that you get when you try to install Sarge (from ISOs, not netinst). I am just trying to install Sarge. |
| 07:15.51 | Chris62vw | I read the manpage but can't figure it out. how do I tell dhclient to not touch my /etc/resolv.conf? thanks |
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| 07:15.59 | s-toned | /etc/network/run -> /dev/shm/network, but it doesn't exist |
| 07:16.04 | sep | hmm isn't the sarge install partitioner = cfdisk |
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| 07:16.42 | s-toned | how can I fix this? |
| 07:16.50 | sep | anyways that partitioner will do the job nicely |
| 07:17.00 | rixth_ | Story goes like this. Computer Sciences in school is too easy, so I proposed 'Can I learn PHP in CST?' he said yes, but you will have to provide the server yourself. Hence, I'm setting up an AMP server (I won't be installing a GUI) |
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| 07:17.37 | Chris62vw | computer science is too easy but then you want to learn something easy? :-) |
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| 07:17.55 | sep | rixth_: well the partitioner your using is capeable of doing what you want, if you know how you want it |
| 07:18.15 | biovore | how long has mplayerHQ.hu been shutdown ? |
| 07:18.22 | Chris62vw | I just installed sarge today. what are you trying to do rixth_? |
| 07:18.36 | alice|wl | am I missing some necesarry tool ? while triing to compile htdig I get this: b_appinit.o(.text+0x19c): undefined reference to `__ctype_b_loc' |
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| 07:18.44 | alice|wl | its a fresh installed system |
| 07:18.48 | rixth_ | I I have a 20GB drive. I have roughly 312mb RAM. I need to have a /boot partition within the first 1023 cylinders otherwise I get a Error 18. |
| 07:19.07 | chealer | biovore: it's not. #mplayer |
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| 07:19.17 | jm_ | Chris62vw: also check if there are more docs in /usr/share/doc/dhclient, or just use another DHCP client |
| 07:19.24 | Chris62vw | oh |
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| 07:19.30 | Chris62vw | jm_, thanks! will do |
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| 07:19.45 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 07:20.16 | rixth_ | sep, How do I want my partitions setup? (size, logical/primary)? |
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| 07:20.51 | jm_ | ahh I thought dhclient is a package name - it's not ;) |
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| 07:20.55 | sep | rixth_: you want hda1 /boot 20 MB or more if you plan on many kernels, /hda2 rest of drive -624 MB |
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| 07:21.02 | jm_ | it may well be you have the right package already |
| 07:21.05 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.18 | rixth_ | sep, waht about primary/logical bollocks? |
| 07:21.23 | simonrvn | dhcp[3]-client IIRC |
| 07:21.28 | jm_ | yup |
| 07:21.35 | sep | rixth_: you only need 3 partitions so you dont _have_ to have logicals |
| 07:21.51 | sep | if you want you can make hda2 a logical and put / on hda5 and swap on hda6 |
| 07:21.54 | sep | put you dont have to |
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| 07:22.17 | sep | rixth_: you can only have 4 primary |
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| 07:22.41 | ozzloy | could someone please help me get my ipw2100 working? anyone know wireless? |
| 07:22.56 | bob2 | you need to be less vague |
| 07:23.01 | rixth_ | Ok, I'll go try it now ( /boot 20mb primary, / rest of drive-623mb primary, swap 623mb) I'll report back. |
| 07:23.12 | jm_ | Chris62vw: it's done via the options or somesuch |
| 07:23.22 | sep | rixth_: good luck :) |
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| 07:23.41 | ozzloy | i have followed the instructions here and don't know what to do now: http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~bamoore/projects/debian_on_t41/ |
| 07:23.57 | chalcedony | very good ozzloy :) |
| 07:24.15 | maximus | ozzloy, where you stuck |
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| 07:24.30 | rixth_ | sep, one more thing, I'll want to install grub on /dev/hda? |
| 07:24.35 | ozzloy | maximus, i am stuck with connecting to my wireless access point |
| 07:24.39 | sep | ozzloy never heard of the thing but the first hits of google sgame this one a mini howto http://jrblevin.freeshell.org/linux/ipw2100/ |
| 07:24.45 | sep | rixth_: yes definitiftly |
| 07:25.04 | rixth_ | sep, thanks your your help, i shall report back. |
| 07:25.08 | rixth_ | \/nick rixth_afk |
| 07:25.10 | bob2 | ozzloy: you're still being too vague |
| 07:25.14 | simonrvn | wow, quite the typo |
| 07:25.15 | ozzloy | sep, that page looks more helpful then the pages i've been googling |
| 07:25.15 | maximus | ozzloy, so your card comes up |
| 07:25.19 | bob2 | ozzloy: you have the module installed and loaded? |
| 07:25.34 | sep | i guess a autopartition with /boot would have been nice for old boxes with new drives |
| 07:25.37 | ozzloy | my card comes up but it looks like it's not a wireless card when i do ifconfig |
| 07:25.53 | bob2 | ozzloy: you mean it's called eth1? that's fine. |
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| 07:26.13 | ozzloy | and i do iwconfig and it says that eth1 has no wireless extensions |
| 07:26.16 | s-toned | how could I create this /dev/shm/network (apt-get install something?) |
| 07:26.21 | ozzloy | i really don't know much about wireless |
| 07:26.39 | gteppel | i just installed Debian and did a apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge and then when I restarted the computer LILO hung on LI, what might be going wrong?? |
| 07:26.44 | bob2 | s-toned: it's made by libc, iirc |
| 07:26.47 | simonrvn | @li |
| 07:26.49 | ravenbird | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. or lithium. You could always try using grub instead :) |
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| 07:26.55 | maximus | ozzloy, what does ifconfig say |
| 07:27.02 | bob2 | ozzloy: paste the output of "dmesg | grep ipw" to #flood |
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| 07:27.07 | bob2 | ozzloy: and "iwconfig" |
| 07:27.18 | jim__ | does anyone know a good console chat |
| 07:27.22 | bob2 | gteppel: probably means you installed a new kernel byt forgot to run lilo |
| 07:27.31 | jim__ | err irc chat |
| 07:27.53 | bob2 | jim__: you mean "console irc client"? irssi-text. |
| 07:28.07 | sep | jim__: irssi |
| 07:28.10 | jim__ | ok, thanks |
| 07:28.35 | jm_ | Chris62vw: supersede looks like a very useful option |
| 07:28.36 | bob2 | ozzloy: iwconfig, not ifconfig. |
| 07:29.02 | gteppel | bob2: how can I get back into my system, if I boot using the Debian install CD and switch to the console what command can i issue to load my os... to rerun lilo |
| 07:29.02 | gteppel | ? |
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| 07:29.23 | ozzloy | bob2, both there |
| 07:29.25 | ozzloy | bob2, the dmesg gives nothing |
| 07:29.40 | ozzloy | so i have to load the module or something? i don't know what that means or how to do it, but that sounds familiar |
| 07:29.57 | bob2 | ozzloy: then you haven't loaded the ipw2100 module |
| 07:29.59 | Hackel | Are the stock debian/sid 2.6 kernel packages / initrd root-on-LVM compatible? |
| 07:30.04 | bob2 | ozzloy: modprobe ipw2100, as root |
| 07:30.08 | ozzloy | i just did |
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| 07:30.35 | bob2 | now run iwconfig again |
| 07:30.39 | ozzloy | i'll paste the results of iwconfig in floos |
| 07:30.39 | bob2 | eth2 should print stuff |
| 07:30.58 | bob2 | gteppel: chroot to your root hard disk, then run lilo from there |
| 07:31.06 | bob2 | which is kinda fraught with danger if your disks have moved |
| 07:31.07 | ozzloy | that is correct |
| 07:31.09 | ozzloy | yay! |
| 07:31.11 | ozzloy | well that was simple |
| 07:31.12 | bob2 | yup |
| 07:31.14 | ozzloy | now i have to set the essid and stuff, yes? |
| 07:31.15 | bob2 | yeah |
| 07:31.21 | bob2 | add "ipw2100" to /etc/modules |
| 07:31.23 | bob2 | right |
| 07:31.32 | gteppel | bob2: alright thanks |
| 07:31.38 | bob2 | for testing, "iwconfig eth2 essid 'blah'" |
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| 07:31.52 | marccd | I changed my root password, now 'sudo |
| 07:32.00 | marccd | wont work anymore, any ideas? |
| 07:32.10 | bob2 | sudo doesn't care about your root password |
| 07:32.16 | bob2 | you know it takes your user one, right? |
| 07:32.19 | rixth_afk | sep, It's installing the base system now. Only time will tell. |
| 07:32.27 | sep | hackel if you want root on lvm you put your kernel and initrd on /boot outside of lvm, and the initrd you make with mkinitrd so it's easy for you to add the modules needed to have root on lvm |
| 07:32.30 | marccd | bob2: it does? |
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| 07:32.33 | ozzloy | bob2, i'm gonna need a little more than "add 'ipw2100' to /etc/modules" |
| 07:32.42 | marccd | bob2: :p |
| 07:32.43 | sep | rixth_afk: well drop a line sayign how it works when it |
| 07:32.48 | sep | 's finished |
| 07:32.57 | marccd | bob2: thanks |
| 07:33.07 | bob2 | ozzloy: add that word, no quotes, to /etc/modules |
| 07:33.12 | bob2 | on it's own line |
| 07:33.13 | ozzloy | thanx btw, to bob2 sep and maximus |
| 07:33.18 | bob2 | using whatever text editor you normally use |
| 07:33.48 | ozzloy | bob2, done and done |
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| 07:35.48 | vortek | hrm I tried that ubunto ndiswrapper guide it did not work |
| 07:36.00 | vortek | modprobe ndiswrapper does not find nothing |
| 07:36.05 | bob2 | see |
| 07:36.09 | bob2 | read what I told you |
| 07:36.10 | vortek | Any ideas there help instalation guide suxs |
| 07:36.14 | vortek | What did you tell me to read |
| 07:36.15 | vortek | ? |
| 07:36.17 | vortek | I read that |
| 07:36.21 | bob2 | no, you didn't |
| 07:36.21 | vortek | It don't work |
| 07:36.24 | vortek | yes I did |
| 07:36.27 | vortek | step by step |
| 07:36.30 | bob2 | shut up and look at what I said |
| 07:36.31 | vortek | command by command |
| 07:36.34 | vortek | what did you say ? |
| 07:36.39 | bob2 | 15:58:50 bob2 | vortek: do that once you have the modules installed |
| 07:36.50 | bob2 | you need to install them yourself |
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| 07:37.21 | vortek | Any Idea how to instal the modules a guide or atleas a man page ? |
| 07:37.22 | vortek | :) |
| 07:37.34 | bob2 | ndiswrapper.sf.net or whatever |
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| 07:38.09 | vortek | k |
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| 07:39.00 | deeku | Hey, any idea on how to make sftp read the backspace key instead of printing ^H? could it just be an xmodmap problem? |
| 07:39.53 | dondelelcaro | deeku: use ^? instead |
| 07:39.58 | nevyn | deeku: terminal problem. |
| 07:40.04 | nevyn | ? |
| 07:40.42 | deeku | oh you're right, aterm works fine |
| 07:41.00 | myren | can you comment on beagle searches? |
| 07:41.03 | dondelelcaro | (fixing TERM should clear it up as well...) |
| 07:41.21 | dondelelcaro | myren: comment on what in particular? |
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| 07:41.30 | myren | rss feeds |
| 07:41.45 | myren | but i like my liferea. beagle can use liferea like a "backend" so to speak |
| 07:42.14 | s-toned | I deleted the link '/etc/network/run' and installed ifupdown again, and /dev/shm/network has been created by the installer |
| 07:43.12 | rixth_afk | sep, argh! F***! Now I get to the boot menu, press enter |
| 07:43.24 | rixth_afk | and a few lines of logging in *bang* computer restarts |
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| 07:43.47 | rixth_afk | (few lines of logging, I mean, I see the first few lines of the startup log) |
| 07:43.48 | dondelelcaro | s-toned: it gets recreated on boot every single time |
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| 07:44.04 | dondelelcaro | s-toned: that's because some way of tracking state is necessary when / is ro |
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| 07:48.08 | Hackel | sep: I understand, I was just wondering if the initrd installed from the binary would do it, or I still need to make my own. |
| 07:49.37 | rixth_afk | When I start up a new install of debian, I start it from the Grub menu, and when boot appears, my system reboots. Why/how do I fix? |
| 07:49.40 | w00dst0ck | quick question. AMD k7, does that include Athlon-XP's? |
| 07:49.59 | jm_ | yes |
| 07:50.29 | w00dst0ck | was that a yes to my question? |
| 07:50.36 | w00dst0ck | :) |
| 07:50.47 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:51.06 | w00dst0ck | haha, ok ok. Thank you very much :) |
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| 07:54.18 | directhex | !k7 |
| 07:54.18 | dpkg | i guess k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
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| 08:01.02 | transgress | bleh... in the middle of downloading a bunch of ISOs my connection just stopped... and screwed up all the downloads |
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| 08:01.17 | bob2 | always |
| 08:01.18 | bob2 | use |
| 08:01.19 | bob2 | rsync |
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| 08:02.51 | alice|wl | hmm, dunno much about C but I have to port htdig compiled against libstdc++5 on a woody server with libstdc++6. I have the sources but while make I get |
| 08:02.54 | alice|wl | returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [/root/qpearm/bin/addressbook] Error 1 ... |
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| 08:03.01 | alice|wl | ups |
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| 08:03.52 | alice|wl | hmm, dunno much about C but I have to port htdig compiled against libstdc++5 on a woody server with libstdc++6. I have the sources but while make I get undefined reference to `__ctype_b_loc'. Any HELP/TIP, what todo ??? |
| 08:04.03 | bob2 | a) stop repeating |
| 08:04.09 | bob2 | b) you're not porting anything |
| 08:04.20 | bob2 | c) you haven't pasted a useful error message to #flood yet |
| 08:05.27 | alice|wl | a) I m soory, b) ok, c) done |
| 08:05.32 | dvsdude | hmm should i let my wife use the phone or stay on line ???? |
| 08:13.57 | alice|wl | tell her to use icq |
| 08:13.57 | sep | rixth_afk: do you see kernel output at all or do you never get past grub ? |
| 08:13.57 | Nikolay | Hi all. Anybody know, how can I setup apcupsd with APC SU750 trow USB? If I try to set UPSTYPE apcsmart, then have: 'Unknown mode.type: 11', if UPSTYPE is usb, then apcupsd segfauted by ane power outage :o((( |
| 08:13.58 | puppet | whats the command for updateing from ld.so.conf list again? |
| 08:13.58 | puppet | :) |
| 08:13.58 | jm_ | ldconfig |
| 08:13.58 | puppet | ah thanks :D |
| 08:13.58 | puppet | forgot |
| 08:13.58 | alice|wl | posted output from the binary also in #flood |
| 08:13.58 | bob2 | ldconfig -X is plenty on Debian |
| 08:13.58 | bob2 | alice|wl: why are you buliding libdb at all? |
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| 08:13.58 | bob2 | alice|wl: why are you even building htdig? |
| 08:13.58 | bob2 | it's in Debian |
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| 08:14.00 | MM2 | what is kernel-image bf variant? |
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| 08:14.00 | billh | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't touch the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:14.00 | billh | what's going on ? |
| 08:14.00 | w00dst0ck | is there a way to reinstall everything a meta package specifies, instead of just reinstall the meta package? |
| 08:14.00 | cat | !tell billh about set up x |
| 08:14.00 | w00dst0ck | Eg: apt-get install --reinstall gnome |
| 08:14.00 | billh | I thought that it would reconfigure the X server and that file if you do that. |
| 08:14.00 | streuner | billh: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 08:14.00 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 08:14.00 | dpkg | hello |
| 08:14.00 | alice|wl | bob2: 8), gonna trie that. but I changed nearly all the perl scripts includet in htdig and wasnt sure if another version might go ok with that |
| 08:14.01 | streuner | !listkeys md5sum |
| 08:14.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5sum' by key (2): md5sum ;; x md5sum. |
| 08:14.01 | alice|wl | bob2: and I didnt look |
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| 08:14.01 | michal_ | bob2: g'day.. yesterday you mentioned some type of 4 port network card.. what was the chipset you were talking about? also the wrt54g with the broadcom ethernet chipset apparently doesn't have QOS or VLAN support (don't know if that's a driver or hardware issue) |
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| 08:14.20 | maximus | billh, look at the top of the xf86config file, explains what you need to do |
| 08:14.26 | streuner | billh: did you get an response from the bot? |
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| 08:15.04 | streuner | apt, x md5sum |
| 08:15.39 | billh | streuner yes, I was using that procedure now |
| 08:15.48 | streuner | hm |
| 08:15.59 | billh | the problem here is that this on-board graphics controller might be too new for this version of X |
| 08:16.21 | billh | this is a pretty recent PCI-e machine that I've been playing with. |
| 08:16.33 | streuner | billh: you should get an GUI in any case... |
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| 08:16.59 | streuner | otherwise its the 'x md5sum' thingie |
| 08:17.16 | billh | which GUI ? I get the curses thing which is completely fine |
| 08:17.25 | streuner | yep |
| 08:17.35 | alice|wl | bob2: and there doesnt come any htsearch binary with the package as far as I see |
| 08:17.41 | billh | I get the vesa stuff on boot up, but I've failed horribly at getting X going so far. |
| 08:17.54 | billh | I'm thinking about just using the framebuffer device |
| 08:18.21 | bob2 | !+find bin/htsearch |
| 08:18.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/htsearch' (2): (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/htsearch) in web/htdig ;; (/usr/lib/axiom-20050201/bin/htsearch) in math/axiom-hypertex. |
| 08:18.27 | streuner | billh: most people use that only if they haven't a working driver |
| 08:18.43 | bob2 | michal_: my wrt54g has vlan intefaces in the output of "ip a", at least |
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| 08:18.56 | bob2 | michal_: sun4e is the name of the driver, iirc |
| 08:19.05 | streuner | billh: what videocard is that? |
| 08:19.16 | streuner | billh: (onboard-chip) |
| 08:19.29 | billh | a relatively new on board graphics chips from Intel |
| 08:19.48 | streuner | oh, intel is hard |
| 08:19.54 | streuner | to setup |
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| 08:19.59 | billh | It probably doesn't recognize the card ID just yet, but it's probably just the same old controller |
| 08:20.04 | james_ | how do i get an updated list of packages? |
| 08:20.21 | james_ | for apt |
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| 08:20.23 | streuner | billh: go to their website and check it out for drivers and instructions |
| 08:20.30 | billh | yeah, this stuff normally just autodetects, but its certainly a pain at this juncture |
| 08:20.35 | streuner | billh: use groups.google.com to get more infos about |
| 08:20.38 | billh | for Linux ? |
| 08:20.41 | billh | yeah |
| 08:20.43 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:20.55 | streuner | they have some drivers for linux as well |
| 08:21.08 | timo | james_, apt-get update? |
| 08:21.26 | bob2 | michal_: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56099&item=5762640249&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V |
| 08:21.29 | billh | It's a fucking RPM, jesus |
| 08:21.34 | james_ | awesome i just figured it out ... thanx man |
| 08:21.48 | streuner | billh: nevermind, you can use 'alien' to convert it |
| 08:22.00 | billh | oh really ? |
| 08:22.04 | billh | didn't know about that |
| 08:22.06 | streuner | !alien |
| 08:22.06 | dpkg | alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 08:22.47 | nevyn | heh who added the latter half? |
| 08:22.58 | RainKing | I HEARD OSS IS ILLEGAL WAREZ HAXOR. U SHOULD ALL USE WINDOWS |
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| 08:23.12 | nevyn | right.. thanks for the headup |
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| 08:23.30 | SlayerXP | bob2: I HEARD OSS IS ILLEGAL WAREZ HAXOR. U SHOULD ALL USE WINDOWS |
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| 08:24.07 | nevyn | U ARE ALL CHEAP HIPPIES.. go chain yourselves to trees... ;) |
| 08:24.12 | SlayerXP | today I will mostly be relearning nagios |
| 08:24.17 | dondelelcaro | cheap hippies? |
| 08:24.20 | nevyn | holding shift for the latter half was too much effort |
| 08:24.35 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: as in not spending any money |
| 08:24.54 | dondelelcaro | ah... well, hippies pretty much by definition are sans money |
| 08:25.12 | alice|wl | bob2: the debian package hat a completely different structure than the one the page is relaying on. you dont know by instance how to fix that lib stuff ? |
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| 08:25.18 | streuner | nevyn: well, i like hippies ;-) |
| 08:25.27 | nevyn | streuner: I married one. |
| 08:25.31 | streuner | haha |
| 08:25.52 | streuner | they are cool |
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| 08:27.22 | snuff | hey guys, i'm having trouble making a dual boot with debian/winxp pro... it seems that grub doesn't recognize the winxp, has anybody had this problem? |
| 08:27.24 | cat | hey when i try to mount my cdrom it's giving me this error |
| 08:27.31 | tarzeau | snuff: no |
| 08:27.33 | sep | snuff: no |
| 08:27.35 | allaa | . |
| 08:27.39 | SlayerXP | snuff: never. |
| 08:27.41 | cat | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 08:27.48 | tarzeau | cat: yes use -t , man mount |
| 08:28.06 | cat | mount -t /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 08:28.08 | tarzeau | cat: what fs is it? it's listed in /proc/filesystems ? what about a modprobe ? |
| 08:28.09 | cat | still anything |
| 08:28.13 | sep | snuff: grub shoudn'r 'recognice' the winxp it should just pass control over to the winxp partition /dev/hda1 most often |
| 08:28.25 | tarzeau | cat: of course you must say the magic word after -t :) |
| 08:28.30 | snuff | the thing is it recognizes my ntfs as master, and i'm trying to make my slave the ext3... but when i reboot, all i see in the grub is just the linux option (no xp) ? |
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| 08:28.45 | allaa | my nick imposible register |
| 08:28.46 | allaa | ! |
| 08:28.49 | cat | tarzeau: it doesn't give me anything |
| 08:28.56 | tarzeau | snuff: what about you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 08:29.07 | tarzeau | cat: this is clearly your fault |
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| 08:29.20 | cat | hmm ok |
| 08:29.33 | tarzeau | cat: cat /proc/filesystems should at least bring you one line |
| 08:29.42 | cat | mount: mount point /cdrom is a symbolic link to nowhere |
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| 08:29.50 | tarzeau | cat: is /dev/cdrom linked to what? |
| 08:29.57 | snuff | tarzeau, the installer (i'm using sarge/net install) says that "no other operating system was found" on computer... |
| 08:29.57 | tarzeau | did you move from ide to scsi-ide? |
| 08:30.05 | cat | no where |
| 08:30.08 | tarzeau | cat: you want to fix the symbolic link then |
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| 08:30.29 | cat | how? |
| 08:30.38 | tarzeau | snuff: and you think there is windows xp? |
| 08:30.46 | tarzeau | cat: scsi or ide device? |
| 08:30.47 | snuff | tarzeau, heh i know there is |
| 08:30.50 | cat | ide |
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| 08:30.58 | tarzeau | cat: with or without scsi emulation for ide cd-r device? |
| 08:31.10 | maximus | snuff, boot to that hdd from bios |
| 08:31.18 | cat | without scsi emulation |
| 08:31.22 | myren | LUFS looks so unsafe |
| 08:31.26 | tarzeau | cat: cat /proc/cmdline should tell you |
| 08:31.34 | myren | it looks so tempting, but it looks SO dangerous to install |
| 08:31.35 | tarzeau | cat: dmesg |grep CD |
| 08:31.42 | cat | root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 08:31.42 | bob2 | alice|wl: your source is utterly fucked |
| 08:31.47 | snuff | maximus, huh? doesn't the bios just start with hd0 anyway... ? |
| 08:31.57 | tarzeau | cat: that should help you to find otu the device name and fix the symlink. something like cd /dev , ln -s hdX cdrom |
| 08:31.58 | cat | tarzeau: dind't get anything with dmesg |grep CD |
| 08:32.01 | billh | streuner yes, this is a pain. I'm going to have to use an experimental X to get that functionality. |
| 08:32.05 | tarzeau | you might want to rm /dev/cdrom before |
| 08:32.07 | billh | google saves me again. :) |
| 08:32.24 | cat | ln: `cdrom': File exists |
| 08:32.28 | alice|wl | bob2: so a new source might fix it ? |
| 08:32.30 | tarzeau | cat: does the cd rom device have power? is it jumpered correctly and recognized by the bios? does it have a data cable plugged in on both ends? |
| 08:32.45 | cat | rm: cannot remove `/dev/cdrom': No such file or directory |
| 08:32.51 | maximus | snuff, looks like its booting to the linux one? |
| 08:33.01 | cat | it does have power, |
| 08:33.12 | snuff | i have linux on hd1 (slave) and xp on hd0 (master)... in the manual partition in linux installer should the little lightning symbol be on hd0 or hd1 ? |
| 08:33.22 | tarzeau | cat: do you know how jumpering works? |
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| 08:33.28 | cat | nope |
| 08:33.32 | snuff | maximus, no... linux just overwrites my mbr |
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| 08:33.38 | tarzeau | cat: well try google or your manual |
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| 08:33.40 | KSergio | hello. is this a support channel? |
| 08:33.46 | tarzeau | KSergio: yes |
| 08:33.47 | snuff | maximus, but eventually i can only run linux from the grub loader |
| 08:34.23 | maximus | snuff, look in your grub menu list for the xp bit, is it there |
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| 08:34.39 | snuff | maximus, no |
| 08:34.56 | KSergio | Ok. Im using debian on the unstable branch. I apt-get'ed kernel 2.6.8, and now everything seems to work fine, except that when I finish an X session, the machine just dies :( any hint? |
| 08:35.15 | KSergio | If i use a kernel 2.4 i have no problems at all |
| 08:35.26 | maximus | snuff, in the text file. there is an example for xp above your options, paste it down into your options |
| 08:35.30 | tarzeau | KSergio: what video driver? |
| 08:35.45 | snuff | maximus, how do i get to that text file again? |
| 08:35.47 | KSergio | uhm.. I dont know, its a Rage 128... |
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| 08:36.36 | maximus | snuff, /boot/grub/menulist |
| 08:37.25 | snuff | maximus, tnx |
| 08:38.04 | maximus | snuff, dont forget to uncomment it all but top line |
| 08:38.19 | maximus | snuff, I mean all |
| 08:39.01 | snuff | another question, when i want to change grub's effects on my system (i.e., changed the mbr) i go into the nt installer and i go into recovery, and in the command prompt i go "fixmbr" ... but when i load my machine it goes "ntldr missing" and then it just hangs... is there a way to solve this w/o reinstalling winblows again? |
| 08:39.31 | bob2 | alice|wl: a Debian package would |
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| 08:41.15 | snuff | ? |
| 08:41.38 | maximus | snuff, dont think its the mbr you need to fix, there another command, just cant think now |
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| 08:42.14 | maximus | snuff, maybe fixntldr :) |
| 08:42.22 | snuff | heh.. nope |
| 08:42.31 | snuff | there's fixboot, but that doesn't work either |
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| 08:42.58 | drac | KSergio: Hmm, I waited for while because this is just a guess. Try disabling Framebuffering and see if your problem disappears. |
| 08:42.59 | snuff | maximus, should the lightning symbol be on hd0 or hd1 in the partition menu ? |
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| 08:43.14 | KSergio | okm thanks drac. I will try |
| 08:43.23 | KSergio | brb |
| 08:43.27 | maximus | snuff, hd0 |
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| 08:43.58 | snuff | maximus, when you did you dual, did you have to manually edit the /boot/grub/menulist or did it appear automatically when you rebooted? |
| 08:44.32 | maximus | snuff, nup, found it, think its cause you have it booting slave? |
| 08:44.49 | another | hi, how can I install a pkg from unstable to an stable distro |
| 08:44.50 | another | ? |
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| 08:45.11 | maximus | another, google apt-pinning |
| 08:45.24 | nagual | +beginners howto |
| 08:45.25 | snuff | maximus, well.. i had the lightning symbol on hd0 ... so it was booting master (?) |
| 08:45.30 | nagual | or beginner maybe |
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| 08:45.57 | maximus | snuff, should be |
| 08:46.06 | snuff | dam :| |
| 08:46.38 | snuff | maximus, what if i don't use grub, how could i load my linux? |
| 08:46.50 | sussudio | snuff: lilo |
| 08:47.07 | snuff | sussudio, does the installer automatically make me a lilo disk though? |
| 08:47.23 | maximus | snuff, grub should do it ok, just a matter of setting it up |
| 08:47.26 | sussudio | snuff: every single one i've used does so when you tell it to. |
| 08:48.14 | snuff | maximus, well i've been reinstalling windoze and linux for the past 2 hours... it worked okay with my past xp standard, but now that i have xp pro it's causing problem |
| 08:48.15 | snuff | s |
| 08:48.42 | maximus | snuff, can you boot to windows now |
| 08:48.56 | snuff | maximus, no... i'm using my other harddrive right now... |
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| 08:51.56 | Xer | hi |
| 08:52.07 | Xer | how to use splash.lss with grub? |
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| 08:54.50 | TheStar | Hmm - any good italian channels? (I want to learn Italian) |
| 08:55.14 | PSIplus | *ROFL* |
| 08:55.19 | TheStar | (At the moment I'm confused about grammer - ie, what's the word order?) |
| 08:55.30 | cozwei | how can i use "deb"-files? |
| 08:55.34 | SlayerXP | TheStar: "grammar", try perfecting english first. |
| 08:55.37 | PSIplus | why are you asking this in the debian-channel? :-) |
| 08:55.46 | PSIplus | cozwei: dpkg -i <blabla>.deb |
| 08:55.54 | cozwei | thx |
| 08:56.15 | TheStar | SlayerXP, Grammar, then :) Keep in mind that english is highly specific to particular regions... Grammer is a common spelling here, but not neccessarily correct. |
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| 08:56.41 | dripOl | hello |
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| 08:57.10 | Xer | how to use splash.lss with grub? |
| 08:57.18 | Xer | hi drip |
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| 08:57.29 | jm_ | Xer: read the docs |
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| 08:57.48 | Xer | i cant find grub docs in /usr/doc :S |
| 08:57.58 | jm_ | install grub-doc package |
| 08:58.13 | Xer | nah its will lost me few times to install it |
| 08:58.14 | Xer | ;] |
| 08:58.20 | SlayerXP | TheStar: there's only one spelling of "grammar" in english, you're most likely confusing english with amercian. |
| 08:58.38 | Xer | Xp ? |
| 08:58.40 | TheStar | SlayerXP, Well stated. |
| 08:58.48 | jm_ | and read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:58.54 | TheStar | SlayerXP, However, do we have to be so pedantic? |
| 08:58.58 | Xer | #xp |
| 08:59.08 | Xer | there is usr share! |
| 08:59.10 | zinx | SlayerXP: incidentally, there's only one spelling of "grammar" in american english too |
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| 08:59.11 | Xer | damn |
| 08:59.18 | SlayerXP | TheStar: yes, of course. |
| 08:59.23 | SlayerXP | silly question. *tsk* |
| 08:59.23 | TheStar | zinx, You've missed what he meant. |
| 08:59.34 | debian | TheStar: we don't speak English here. For English, please /join #debian-en |
| 08:59.38 | zinx | TheStar: alas, I haven't |
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| 08:59.49 | Xer | im oped in that chan |
| 08:59.50 | Xer | :D |
| 08:59.55 | TheStar | debian: I don't want to learn Spanish :( |
| 08:59.59 | Xer | * Now talking on #debian-en |
| 08:59.59 | Xer | * clarke.freenode.net sets mode +n #debian-en |
| 09:00.05 | debian | TheStar: we do. :P |
| 09:00.10 | TheStar | *duh, I thought that was #debian-es! |
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| 09:00.19 | debian | TheStar: s/we/who |
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| 09:00.33 | TheStar | debian, "Who does", you mean? |
| 09:00.49 | debian | TheStar: aye, I told ya, we dun speak English here |
| 09:00.55 | Xer | i have question " all linux proggrams are free or not? " |
| 09:01.07 | TheStar | Anyway, I want to learn Italian, so why all the discussion about English :) |
| 09:01.26 | TheStar | Xer, No, they're not free, unfortunately for us. |
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| 09:01.35 | Xer | aha |
| 09:01.41 | Xer | soo crossoffice is not free |
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| 09:01.50 | TheStar | Xer, Most definetly not. |
| 09:02.16 | Xer | is there same thinges called in linux world a "crack"? :D |
| 09:02.26 | TheStar | Xer, Yes, actually. |
| 09:02.31 | Xer | GooooD |
| 09:02.33 | debian | Xer: they're not free,but I'm going to liberating them |
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| 09:02.57 | Xer | ha! |
| 09:03.00 | TheStar | Xer, But they just go around authorization issues. The program is still not free. |
| 09:03.02 | Xer | u are not a bot! |
| 09:03.25 | TheStar | Xer, You want debhelper, then? |
| 09:03.25 | debian | Xer: Are you smoking crack? |
| 09:03.31 | michal_ | bob2: doh.. we keep missing each other on irc :P |
| 09:03.35 | Xer | thestar : you told me one time i know so dont tell me more then time |
| 09:03.38 | Xer | nah |
| 09:03.49 | Xer | i was thinking debian is a bot ;) |
| 09:04.01 | debian | Xer: Are you smoking crack? |
| 09:04.10 | Xer | debian yes |
| 09:04.17 | michal_ | bob2: when it says Sun.. is this Sun of SunSparc and Java? |
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| 09:04.34 | TheStar | debian, No, he isn't... Unfortunately he *thinks* he's smoking crack... Which is worse? |
| 09:04.51 | bob2 | of course |
| 09:05.01 | Xer | smokeing? |
| 09:05.08 | Xer | wich smoke you mean? |
| 09:05.12 | TheStar | michal_, No, it means "TheStar", of *COURSE*. |
| 09:05.15 | michal_ | bob2: chipset is LSI Logic apparently |
| 09:05.24 | bob2 | ok |
| 09:05.59 | michal_ | so LSI Logic makes the chipsets for Sun network adapters then? |
| 09:06.06 | cat | debian: a |
| 09:06.11 | bob2 | no idea |
| 09:06.18 | cat | not a bot |
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| 09:06.47 | michal_ | now that the images of the card have finally loaded I can see the Sun logo so it's pretty damn clear :P |
| 09:07.38 | michal_ | it SAYS it's for sun platforms.. does it work with x86 platforms? what OS's? |
| 09:07.55 | snuff | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.04 | bob2 | huh?it's pci |
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| 09:08.08 | TheStar | snuff, There is no such thing as hd0 |
| 09:08.15 | michal_ | i'm a bit scared to order it without knowing anything about it |
| 09:08.15 | bob2 | plug it, run linux, enjoy |
| 09:08.23 | snuff | thestar, so hda is the master right? |
| 09:08.41 | TheStar | snuff, Sorry, we no-longer can use those terms anymore. |
| 09:08.47 | TheStar | snuff, hda is the "commrade". |
| 09:08.47 | maximus | snuff, grub starts at 0 so hd0 and hda is same |
| 09:09.02 | Jacobo221 | i can't view WMV files proppery. only green big pixels. is this a problem of mine or is it that there are no available codecs for WMV ? |
| 09:09.16 | snuff | thestar, and hdb is the bitch right? :) |
| 09:09.24 | michal_ | bob2: would it work just as well with *bsd? does it support vlans and all sorts of other standards? is that even a valid question or do all linux supported ehternet adapters support vlans? |
| 09:09.25 | TheStar | snuff, No, it's also "commrade". |
| 09:09.41 | sep | Jacobo221: i guess you want the w32codecs from marillat's repo |
| 09:09.42 | snuff | thestar, huh? hda = master, hdb = slave .. no ? |
| 09:09.57 | TheStar | snuff, I'm sorry, but I find those terms offensive! |
| 09:10.07 | snuff | thestar, regardless... is it right or no? |
| 09:10.13 | TheStar | snuff, It's racist, for starters. |
| 09:10.14 | michal_ | ahh.. i missed the technical details link amongs all the crap |
| 09:10.18 | snuff | thestar, time is of the essense for chrissake |
| 09:10.20 | TheStar | Racism is *never* correct. |
| 09:10.21 | snuff | eccensei |
| 09:10.24 | snuff | eescenece |
| 09:10.28 | SkippedySkop | it's going to be blow!!! |
| 09:10.32 | TheStar | snuff, But yes, you are correct. |
| 09:10.34 | SkippedySkop | there's no time to lose |
| 09:10.47 | Jacobo221 | sep: they aren't there anymore, but yes, i have the ones that once were there. and still, i see green pixels only :-/ |
| 09:10.53 | snuff | thestar, quit being so pc... master and slave has nothing to do with racism.. especially for harddrives |
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| 09:11.04 | asuffield | Jacobo221: it's probably one of the new DRM-crippled forms then |
| 09:11.11 | SkippedySkop | and also sarcasm |
| 09:11.18 | MobyTurbo | snuff: SDNWOTN |
| 09:11.18 | snuff | sarkasms |
| 09:11.18 | TheStar | snuff, You have obviously missed my slashdot and especially UserFriendly references. |
| 09:11.20 | SkippedySkop | and any other words i feel like making up |
| 09:11.27 | michal_ | bah.. sun technical store is broken at the moment anyway |
| 09:11.32 | michal_ | shows just how reliable sun is :P |
| 09:11.51 | Jacobo221 | asuffield: ah, k. so there's no way to view them, is it? |
| 09:11.55 | asuffield | Jacobo221: not really, no |
| 09:11.58 | snuff | mobyturbo.. uh okay.. ? wtf is that? |
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| 09:12.05 | michal_ | bob2: here's the sort of crap available here.. http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/29004/NETWORKING_NICS/D-Link/DFE-580TX/DFE-580TX_4-port_PCI_10_100Mbps_Fast_Ethernet_Server_Adapter.asp |
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| 09:12.07 | Jacobo221 | asuffield: ok, thanks for the info ;) |
| 09:12.40 | MobyTurbo | snuff: SDNWOTN = "Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net". YHBT HAND |
| 09:12.58 | snuff | erm okay |
| 09:13.34 | snuff | how do i uninstall grub from mbr? |
| 09:13.46 | snuff | and get it back to what windows had it |
| 09:13.56 | jm_ | ask in #windows |
| 09:14.11 | snuff | jm_ you ask in #windows and tell me |
| 09:14.27 | jm_ | snuff: no, I don't need to, I know how to do this |
| 09:14.36 | snuff | jm_ well how about share the wealth |
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| 09:15.22 | jm_ | you have docs about it on microsoft's site |
| 09:15.33 | snuff | jm_ thanks |
| 09:15.47 | snuff | how do i uninstall grub from mbr? |
| 09:16.00 | jm_ | you can't uninstall it, you replace it with another boot loader |
| 09:16.04 | maximus | you dont you overwrite it |
| 09:16.26 | snuff | doesn't it have a grub -getitbacktowhatitwas option? |
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| 09:16.42 | maximus | lol |
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| 09:17.21 | jm_ | no, it doesn't make a copy of the old MBR |
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| 09:17.43 | snuff | :| |
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| 09:19.04 | snuff | well ntx |
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| 09:20.00 | sep | snuff: windows's mbr is just a bunch of 0's is nothing, and you can fdisk /mbr from a dos boot disk to clear it out , or use dd (google for how exactly) |
| 09:20.23 | sep | i think there is a debian package containing a tool doing it also , but cant rembmer the name right nowe |
| 09:21.00 | sep | ms-sys was it's name |
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| 09:21.51 | Ragan | sep, I think he left |
| 09:22.01 | sep | Ragan: yeah i saw that also now |
| 09:22.07 | michal_ | bob2: wtf is the driver that thing is supposed to use? i can't find anything in the kernel tree |
| 09:22.28 | Ragan | sep, why the hell do anybody want to do that anyways |
| 09:22.53 | sep | Ragan: have no idea |
| 09:23.11 | sep | michal_: use the intel 4port nic instead it's good but expencive |
| 09:23.30 | michal_ | sep: it's around $700 here I think |
| 09:24.02 | rixth_afk | sep, I've only just come back from being afk. But yes, Sarge install still a no go. |
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| 09:24.38 | myren | was hostap integrated into the kernel? |
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| 09:24.54 | myren | the package hostap-source looks non-updated |
| 09:25.00 | sep | rixth_: last i saw you write you said the install went thru, but you coudnt boot the kernel or was i mistaken ? |
| 09:25.02 | ircdevil | is there some way to dump all text in a xterm to a file (not redirecting output, but the text as is) ? |
| 09:25.04 | michal_ | AHA! Eureka! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20319&item=5762746041&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 09:25.13 | sep | michal_: how is the dlink performance wise ? |
| 09:25.19 | KimHansen | What does the file /etc/samba/gdbcommands in samba-common do ? |
| 09:25.24 | michal_ | just got listed 1 hour aggo :) |
| 09:25.31 | michal_ | sep: i've heard bad things :/ |
| 09:25.31 | bob2 | if you care about performance, you're not buying dlink |
| 09:25.51 | bob2 | it's sungem iirc |
| 09:26.28 | sep | bob2 exactly |
| 09:26.30 | michal_ | i thought sungem was the chipset used in macs? |
| 09:26.58 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:27.16 | bob2 | and mac's use radeons, too |
| 09:27.30 | bob2 | companies don't make any of the their own stuff |
| 09:27.52 | michal_ | my point is that the sungem driver was written specifically for macs. nothing more |
| 09:28.01 | michal_ | says so in the source file |
| 09:28.07 | rixth_ | sep, you are correct. I got the base system to install correctly, including grub, but when I pressed enter on a kernel in the grub menu, I saw the first few lines of output, then, when it got to 'boot' it restarts. |
| 09:28.38 | bob2 | ok then |
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| 09:29.16 | michal_ | i wonder if these cards support VLANs |
| 09:29.45 | sep | rixth_: well without you providing more detail about the output it's difficult to say. but i supose you need to modify your boot parameters to make the kernel behave differently. did you install with linux or with linux26 (2.4 or 2.6 kernel) |
| 09:30.28 | sep | rixth_: videotape the crash and type up the last relevant lines :) |
| 09:30.46 | SpamHog | I'd like to put Debian in a BSD-style "disklabel" set of partitions within one primary. Did I smoke smtg. bad? |
| 09:30.57 | MobyTurbo | How do I get exim4 to not send out root's mail with my fqd address? |
| 09:31.03 | michal_ | wtf!?!? |
| 09:31.03 | michal_ | Two CPUs per QFE/P are recommended for >=200MHz systems. |
| 09:31.17 | michal_ | so I need a dual cpu system for this card to get the best out of it? |
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| 09:31.42 | ozzloy | i'm back after reading a bit, feeling frustrated. can someone help me hook up to my friend's wireless ap? |
| 09:31.46 | sep | michal_: vlan is a software issue not a card issue, as long as the card dont truckates the packages |
| 09:31.49 | sep | afaik |
| 09:31.50 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: Linux doesn't support UFS well |
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| 09:32.41 | michal_ | sep: i was under a different impression.. seemed like the drivers for the card (if not the hardware( needs to support VLANs for it to be possible |
| 09:32.53 | ozzloy | i did the iwconfig eth2 key 1234567890 but nada |
| 09:32.54 | rixth_ | I honestly cannot remember which kernel. I think is was 2.4 with noapci. I've gone through the procedure of typing what kernel in so many times, I've forgotten. i shall try again. |
| 09:33.10 | rixth_ | I'll try just straight linux |
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| 09:33.26 | maximus | ozzloy, can you get him to turn off wep and see if you connect |
| 09:33.52 | ozzloy | maximus, well his dad's asleep right now, so not till tomoro morning |
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| 09:34.01 | ozzloy | i don't know how to connect at all though |
| 09:34.10 | michal_ | anyone know if a 1ghz cyriz can handle NAT at 100mbit? Not sure how to find performance benchmarks for that sort of thing.. any ideas? |
| 09:34.19 | michal_ | s/cyriz/cyrix |
| 09:34.19 | ozzloy | this will be my first wireless with linux ever |
| 09:34.38 | Duo | Anyone wanna help a newb out? |
| 09:34.42 | maximus | ozzloy, whats iwlist say |
| 09:34.44 | ozzloy | it took me a while and some help from here to get my wireless card to look like it was working |
| 09:35.05 | ozzloy | i'll paste in flood |
| 09:35.09 | maximus | k |
| 09:35.38 | maximus | ozzloy, iwlist eth2 |
| 09:36.03 | sCag | ŋË;; |
| 09:36.04 | sep | michal_: vlan adds 4 bytes to your frame, that mesns your nick must be able to send 1504 bytes instead of just 1500 many canrds cant do this |
| 09:36.04 | MobyTurbo | I'm running exim 4 with Debian, root's email is getting sent out with root@myaddr.com and is bouncing and never making it to root's or my user's mailbox. How do I fix this? |
| 09:36.09 | sep | i know that intel cards can |
| 09:36.13 | Duo | is there a way to read an HFS= volume in knoppix? |
| 09:36.24 | drac | Duo: ask in #knoppix |
| 09:36.29 | maximus | eth1 whatever it is |
| 09:36.33 | sep | if you have much $$$ you can just use a gigabit card (even if you use a 100 switch) then your sertain |
| 09:36.36 | ozzloy | maximus, it is eth2 |
| 09:36.42 | michal_ | sep: i see.. do you know of any place that lists cards that can or cannot do this? |
| 09:36.44 | mework | Can someone help set up to extra serial ports under debian. I have a PCI card NetMos Technology PCI 9835 rev1 |
| 09:36.53 | ozzloy | maximus, eth1 gives the same though |
| 09:37.06 | michal_ | sep: a quad port gigabit card costs about as much as I earn a month |
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| 09:38.04 | ozzloy | maximus, seems like it's not seen as a wireless card or something? |
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| 09:38.22 | sep | michal_: also the driver must be able to handle the additional 4 bytes, |
| 09:38.48 | michal_ | sep: well I guess my original question was perfectly valid then :P |
| 09:39.00 | sep | michal_: i dont kow of the nicks this is the place to ask http://ns1.lanforge.com/mailman/listinfo/vlan |
| 09:39.19 | maximus | ozzloy, iwconfig eth2 scan |
| 09:39.23 | michal_ | thanks |
| 09:39.32 | michal_ | hmm.. then there are these :/ http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5761225743&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT |
| 09:39.33 | sep | michal_: well the driver must match the nic so chicken and egg ? |
| 09:39.39 | ozzloy | Error : unrecognised wireless request "scan" |
| 09:39.46 | ozzloy | maximus, Error : unrecognised wireless request "scan" |
| 09:40.18 | michal_ | sep: the question was whether the cards support vlan.. i don't care how just whether they do or not.. and not in theary but in practice :P |
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| 09:41.34 | mework | Can someone help me set up 2 extra serial ports under debian. I have a PCI card NetMos Technology PCI 9835 rev1 |
| 09:41.58 | sep | michal_: ask the mailinglist they probably knows. but both the card and driver must support. the driver you can patch the card you have to replace |
| 09:42.47 | SpamHog | MobyTurbo: other than UFS, is there any nativoid subpartitioning? I remember seeing smtg like "second extended partition" in some part. tool long ago. |
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| 09:44.26 | MobyTurbo | SpamHog: no |
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| 09:48.59 | maximus | ozzloy, my bad iwlist eth2 scanning |
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| 09:51.16 | ozzloy | maximus, hey that gave stuff |
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| 09:51.53 | maximus | ozzloy, to #flood |
| 09:52.13 | ozzloy | er, i'm not sure what's sanitary to post there |
| 09:52.16 | rixth_ | sep, I've just started another install (started with just plain 'linux'). I'll keep you informed. Could the restart when it shows 'boot' be hardware related? (as in faulty hardware, not misconfigured hardware)? |
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| 09:52.49 | maximus | ozzloy, do you have a essid, channel |
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| 09:54.44 | SkippedySkop | hmm does apache need to be a group owner on files, if i am wanting ot get stuff written from the backend |
| 09:54.59 | ozzloy | maximus, in flood |
| 09:55.39 | ozzloy | maximus, sanitized |
| 09:55.44 | sep | rixth_: most often with bad hardware you'd have the same issue when installing |
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| 09:56.43 | maximus | ozzloy, alright iwconfig essid "whatever" |
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| 09:56.59 | ozzloy | maximus, done and done |
| 09:56.59 | maximus | ozzloy, iwconfig channel x |
| 09:57.04 | rixth_ | sep, I was thinking it might be crashing when it tries to READ from the disk. But surely, at some point in the install, the setup program reads from the hd. |
| 09:57.14 | hrishi | how do i enable mouse gestures in epiphany (i have epiphany-extensions installed) ? |
| 09:57.18 | maximus | ozzloy, iwconfig key xxxxxx |
| 09:57.25 | ozzloy | wait, hold on |
| 09:57.44 | maximus | ozzloy, iwconfig dhcp |
| 09:57.46 | ozzloy | maximus, flood |
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| 09:58.52 | maximus | ozzloy, did you "sanitise" the channel or it was x? me thinks not |
| 09:59.01 | ozzloy | it's sanitized |
| 09:59.09 | maximus | ozzloy, well |
| 09:59.13 | ozzloy | i'm really not sure what's safe and what's not |
| 09:59.34 | rixth_ | sep, the kernel it is installing is 2.4.27-speakup |
| 09:59.35 | ozzloy | and i always here "wireless OH noes!" |
| 09:59.36 | maximus | ozzloy, dont tell me just put channel whatever it was |
| 09:59.52 | DebianSir | i am a newbie |
| 09:59.55 | ozzloy | no, i mean i put the channel when i typed it in |
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| 10:00.32 | ozzloy | and it gave that message. there was a number in place of the X when i hit enter on the command line |
| 10:00.33 | DebianSir | i have some difficulty with DNS |
| 10:01.23 | sep | DebianSir: you have to explain better then that to get an answer |
| 10:01.32 | ozzloy | maximus, and i tried iwconfig dhcp just now, and it said no such device |
| 10:01.51 | BlackSunSystems | DebianSir: Fire away whats your DNS problem? |
| 10:01.54 | maximus | ozzloy, iwconfig eth1 dchp? |
| 10:02.05 | DebianSir | i wanna have 2 domain names |
| 10:02.36 | ozzloy | iwconfig eth2 dhcp gives: Error : unrecognised wireless request "dhcp" |
| 10:02.38 | DebianSir | eg dns.myname.home www.myname.home |
| 10:02.44 | ozzloy | same with eth1 |
| 10:02.50 | ozzloy | but the card is eth2 |
| 10:02.51 | hrishi | how do i enable mouse gestures in epiphany (i have epiphany-extensions installed) ? |
| 10:03.17 | ircdevil | is there some way i can list the hostnames of the computers connected to this nfs network? i am looking for one, but forbog the hostname |
| 10:03.17 | DebianSir | now dns.myname.home is ok,but i cann't get through www.myname.home |
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| 10:03.20 | BlackSunSystems | thats no problem configure a dns server to serve 2 zones and point them both at your box |
| 10:03.25 | ircdevil | er forgot |
| 10:03.58 | DebianSir | ping dns.myname.home and www.myname.home is ok |
| 10:04.02 | ozzloy | hold on, my friend said he's fine with me pasting everything into flood |
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| 10:04.21 | BlackSunSystems | DebianSir: so whats your problem? |
| 10:04.24 | DebianSir | one ip can't have 2 names? |
| 10:04.39 | BlackSunSystems | debiansir yes it can |
| 10:04.49 | ozzloy | maximus, might it be working then? |
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| 10:05.05 | DebianSir | i can't browse webpages on dns.myname.home and www.myname.home |
| 10:05.08 | maximus | ozzloy, ifup eth2 dhcp |
| 10:05.09 | sep | DebianSir: one ip can only have 1 reverse name, but you can have as many names as you want pointing to your ip |
| 10:05.31 | sep | DebianSir: that's what virtualhost is for in your web server config |
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| 10:05.39 | ozzloy | maximus, more in flood |
| 10:05.49 | rixth_ | sep, 2.4.27-speakup installed fine & works after reboot. I'll try again later with the exact same settings except with linux26. |
| 10:05.59 | sep | DebianSir: as long as your not trying to run a https: site in that case you need 1 ip per site |
| 10:06.11 | sep | rixth_: dont just install a 2.6 kernel with apt-get |
| 10:06.23 | sep | rixth_: that way you can just boot your 2.4 kernel if it fails |
| 10:06.36 | DebianSir | if there's only one name,then i can succeed. am i right? |
| 10:06.44 | rixth_ | sep, how do I do a kernel upgrade from apt? |
| 10:07.11 | sep | rixth_: apt-setup; apt-get update ; apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 10:07.48 | cat | !oc |
| 10:07.48 | dpkg | somebody said oc was Orange County, LA, CA, US |
| 10:07.53 | sep | DebianSir: you can have more then 1 name for a regular website it's in your webserver configuration, except for secure sites using https: then you can only have 1 name for every ip |
| 10:08.07 | kenboo | OC is not LA |
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| 10:08.20 | jake | hi all |
| 10:08.20 | DebianSir | i have just 1 ip |
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| 10:08.35 | DebianSir | and i needn't https |
| 10:08.56 | sep | DebianSir: then just add your virtual hosts to your webserver config and you can have as many names as you want |
| 10:09.05 | DebianSir | so i just keep one domain name, then everything is ok? |
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| 10:09.34 | jake | when I type 'shutdown now' my debian install seems to shutdown, but eventually just says "hit ctrl-D for maintanance mode". How do i make it shutdown? |
| 10:09.45 | sep | DebianSir: even with just 1 domain you still have to tell your webserver what that domain is, so you wont get around doing your configs |
| 10:09.46 | DebianSir | i see,thanks very much,i'll try later. |
| 10:10.17 | maximus | ozzloy, well your almost there, do you have eth2 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:10.35 | ozzloy | maximus, no |
| 10:10.57 | ozzloy | how do i add it? |
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| 10:11.20 | ozzloy | something like iface eth2 inet dhcp? |
| 10:11.32 | maximus | ozzloy, thats him |
| 10:11.50 | ozzloy | k, new line added |
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| 10:12.54 | maximus | ozzloy, try ifup eth2 dchp again dunno if that ap does dchp, and buggered if I know how to tell |
| 10:12.55 | ozzloy | maximus, thanx for helping me with this stuff |
| 10:13.52 | maximus | ozzloy, your on |
| 10:13.57 | ozzloy | maximus, results in flood, looks promising |
| 10:14.22 | ozzloy | er, so now i can reach back and unplug the cat5 and i'll stay connected? |
| 10:15.11 | maximus | ozzloy, yup if fails, run it again, you may need to run ifdown eth1 or whatever your nic card is |
| 10:16.05 | ozzloy | if it fails run ifup eth2 dhcp again, if that still doesn't work, run ifdown eth0? |
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| 10:17.32 | maximus | ozzloy, yup ifdown eth0 ifup eth2 dhcp |
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| 10:19.48 | mte_ | hi..could someone remember me of an url to a package tracking site, it was something like packages.??.debian.org not sure about .debian.org though..any idea what it was? |
| 10:20.01 | ozzloy | am i still here? |
| 10:20.01 | ozzloy | aloo? |
| 10:20.07 | jm_ | packages.debian.org |
| 10:20.10 | maximus | ozzloy, yup |
| 10:20.36 | mte_ | jm_ no it was something else.. 100% it was packages.??.* |
| 10:20.54 | ozzloy | yahoo! |
| 10:21.07 | ozzloy | there is no cat5 in the back of my comp |
| 10:21.23 | maximus | sweet :) |
| 10:21.31 | ozzloy | thanx max! |
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| 10:22.09 | maximus | no probs might waana change that wep key now its been seen by the whole world |
| 10:22.38 | ozzloy | my friend says he's fine with it, doesn't expect anyone to be near here |
| 10:22.43 | ozzloy | physically |
| 10:22.55 | ozzloy | so i'll tell him that |
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| 10:24.05 | ozzloy | so in the future, iwconfig eth2 essid "essid"; key KEY; channel X; ifup eth2 dhcp ? |
| 10:24.18 | ozzloy | if i go to a new ap that is |
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| 10:24.43 | maximus | something like that man iwconfig and man ifconfig |
| 10:25.01 | ghent | hello, i just made a new kernel for my box, and init complains about booting too fast ?! |
| 10:25.05 | ozzloy | i manned iwconfig, read it, still not sure what i'm doing though |
| 10:25.29 | ozzloy | maximus, thanx thanx |
| 10:25.30 | maximus | keep reading it, one day itll make sense |
| 10:25.33 | ozzloy | hehehe |
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| 10:27.42 | buzzzz | quick question that doesn't seem to be fully addressed on http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ (where I would expect it) - if I want to get debian testing, do I need only one cd (all I want after the install is a system that boots and has an ssh server running)... I see like 15 cd's in http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ and I'm worried that sshd might not be on the cd I download... can anyone clarify why there are so |
| 10:27.45 | buzzzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.50 | TheStar | buzzzz, Every free program ever released for Debian. |
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| 10:29.06 | buzzzz | TheStar: O.o |
| 10:29.19 | TheStar | buzzzz, What's your native language, btw? |
| 10:29.33 | buzzzz | so... for my purposes (a basic system with an ssh server) I would need to only d/l the first one? |
| 10:29.37 | buzzzz | english |
| 10:29.41 | buzzzz | sry :/ |
| 10:29.57 | TheStar | buzzzz, Download the netinstall, then specifically download the ssh .deb's. |
| 10:30.01 | buzzzz | I don't have an internet connection on the computer I want to install it on |
| 10:30.04 | buzzzz | and I can't get it |
| 10:30.12 | TheStar | buzzzz, What country do you live in? |
| 10:30.13 | buzzzz | on that machine |
| 10:30.29 | buzzzz | TheStar: australia |
| 10:30.45 | TheStar | buzzzz, Purchase Debian from everythinglinux, then. |
| 10:30.59 | buzzzz | lol |
| 10:31.03 | buzzzz | I need it tomorrow :p |
| 10:31.08 | TheStar | buzzzz, They'll give you the first three CD's, which should contain everythign you need. |
| 10:31.17 | TheStar | buzzzz, What kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 10:31.20 | buzzzz | they'd have to get a fecking good courier :p |
| 10:31.27 | buzzzz | 512 |
| 10:31.49 | buzzzz | takes about 3.5 hours for 650MB |
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| 10:31.53 | TheStar | buzzzz, Ok, just download the first one, then if you have time, download the next, etc. |
| 10:32.00 | buzzzz | so 3 cd's would be down in time for tomorrow |
| 10:32.04 | buzzzz | hmm |
| 10:32.15 | buzzzz | TheStar: sounds good... tvm for that :D |
| 10:32.18 | TheStar | buzzzz, Packages in debian are arranged statistically so that the popular ones are on the first CD, and so on. |
| 10:32.41 | TheStar | buzzzz, Although, keep in mind that the statistics seem to be enfluenced by a server style setup... |
| 10:33.18 | buzzzz | TheStar: sweet, in that case, it'll probably be on the first/second, which is good |
| 10:33.29 | TheStar | buzzzz, Indeed. |
| 10:33.46 | maximus | buzzzz, how are you going to ssh if you dont have internet connection |
| 10:34.22 | TheStar | maximus, I suspect he has local connections, or just dialup. |
| 10:34.29 | TheStar | maximus, Dialup in Australia can be *SLOW*. |
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| 10:34.47 | TheStar | maximus, Sure, they advertise it to be 56K, but sometimes I've managed to get 300 *BYTES* per second. |
| 10:34.49 | maximus | buzzzz, no shit tell me about it |
| 10:35.14 | maximus | buzzzz, never had it that slow even on sat phone |
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| 10:35.43 | g00se | Is Sarge using lilo or grub by default? If former, can i config the latter? |
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| 10:35.52 | JohnGH | How do I quit Zile editor? |
| 10:36.00 | TheStar | g00se, Yes. |
| 10:36.08 | g00se | (i.e Sarge installer) |
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| 10:36.26 | JohnGH | got it - ^X^C |
| 10:36.46 | g00se | TheStar: 'Yes' is tricky to understand :-) |
| 10:37.04 | TheStar | g00se, That was also a tricky question to answer simply :) |
| 10:37.21 | TheStar | g00se, But you'll find one way of understanding 'yes' such that it makes the most sense :) |
| 10:37.41 | TheStar | maximus, I was using Ozemail. Ozemail *sucks*. |
| 10:38.02 | buzzzz | maximus: I'm going to ssh on a local network |
| 10:38.04 | maximus | buzzzz, dodo always been good |
| 10:38.25 | maximus | buzzzz, ok, makes sense then |
| 10:38.37 | TheStar | maximus, Why are you talking to buzzzz ? |
| 10:38.58 | maximus | TheStar, fucked up |
| 10:39.20 | TheStar | maximus, Ahh, now that's a country response if I ever saw one! |
| 10:39.45 | buzzzz | uhmm... actually, we're on broadband, but we're out of local IP addresses, so I'm having to make another network just for running/testing, etc. this server |
| 10:40.05 | TheStar | buzzzz, Never heard of ip masq? |
| 10:40.48 | maximus | TheStar, yes am a bit too country at the moment |
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| 10:41.07 | buzzzz | yeah, but it's a dirty little windows network at work... and we're ALREADY out of IP addresses |
| 10:41.23 | TheStar | maximus, I could tell :) |
| 10:41.25 | psama | how come xfontsel can find my fonts ( japanese ) but no gtk programs can use them? |
| 10:41.39 | TheStar | buzzzz, You've run out of private class C addresses? |
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| 10:41.51 | wfq | hola |
| 10:42.00 | wfq | como puedo forzar a la desinstalación total de un paquete |
| 10:42.01 | wfq | ? |
| 10:42.07 | buzzzz | I know I can mess with shit to make it work, but I only need an internal network that's not connected to the net |
| 10:42.21 | wfq | excuse me |
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| 10:42.36 | ozzloy | ok, now i've found that my sound does not work. it worked two days ago, and since then i have upgraded from the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel and i think that might be the root of the prob |
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| 10:43.27 | buzzzz | TheStar: we're using 10.87.208.0/24 - from 10.87.208.0 to 10.87.209.255 ... the rest I'm not allowed to touch, cause it's not my department anymore |
| 10:43.28 | ozzloy | hehe |
| 10:43.39 | buzzzz | is that mask right? |
| 10:43.42 | buzzzz | hmmm |
| 10:44.00 | TheStar | buzzzz, Yes, but that's distinct from *policy*. |
| 10:44.15 | TheStar | buzzzz, However, have you never heard of *masq*? |
| 10:44.19 | buzzzz | policy? |
| 10:45.07 | buzzzz | I have, but, I'm not doing it |
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| 10:45.40 | ozzloy | xmms says that the soundcard might not be configured properly |
| 10:45.52 | Ragan | ozzloy, alsa? |
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| 10:46.22 | sunbx | ok how do i see all the installed packages ? |
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| 10:46.28 | ozzloy | Ragan, xmms is not playiing using oss or alsa plugin |
| 10:46.51 | Ragan | ozzloy, but is your system configured to use, oss or alsa? |
| 10:46.55 | ozzloy | and i'm thinking it has to do with alsa vs. oss |
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| 10:47.06 | buzzzz | it's too much messing around, basicly... if I can get away with not doing it, I will |
| 10:47.15 | ozzloy | well the system was installed with the 2.4 kernel, so i'm guessing oss |
| 10:47.38 | ozzloy | and i apt-got the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:47.40 | Ragan | ozzloy, try running alsaconf |
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| 10:48.07 | ozzloy | there's no such prog |
| 10:48.10 | maximus | ozzloy, lsmod alsa or oss |
| 10:48.15 | Ragan | ozzloy, be sure to kill artsd first or disable the sound before running alsaconf |
| 10:48.16 | ozzloy | there's no als* |
| 10:48.42 | Ragan | ozzloy, apt-get install alsa-base |
| 10:49.03 | ozzloy | doing |
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| 10:49.10 | ozzloy | k, there |
| 10:49.31 | ozzloy | doing alsaconf |
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| 10:49.58 | ozzloy | hey that's nifty |
| 10:50.47 | ozzloy | er, nope |
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| 10:50.56 | Ragan | ozzloy, did alsaconf fail? |
| 10:50.57 | ozzloy | still no dice. xmms says same thign |
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| 10:51.04 | ozzloy | alsaconf says it worked fine |
| 10:51.18 | Ragan | ozzloy, is xmms using alsa? |
| 10:51.25 | ozzloy | i set it to yes |
| 10:52.01 | MM2 | I upgraded my kernel from 2.2 to 2.4.18-bf2.4 and my network card stopped working. which kernel I should add? |
| 10:52.07 | ozzloy | maybe i should log out and back in to gnome? |
| 10:52.53 | TinoW | MM2: just a generic 2.4 or even 2.6 kernel via apt-get ? |
| 10:53.04 | TinoW | MM2: what does lspci say about your card? |
| 10:53.06 | MM2 | which kernel 2.4 is generic? |
| 10:53.06 | Ragan | ozzloy, hmm, isn't there any config gui in gnome where you can set the sound? |
| 10:53.10 | simonrvn | that's a woody kernel |
| 10:53.17 | MM2 | woody indeed |
| 10:53.21 | simonrvn | @real kernel |
| 10:53.27 | TinoW | MM2: man apt-cache, particulary apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
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| 10:53.32 | simonrvn | um |
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| 10:54.28 | MM2 | there is old 2.2 kernel in lilo's menu, so I can boot to it |
| 10:54.31 | ozzloy | Ragan, i don't see one |
| 10:54.48 | MM2 | but I want 2.4 kernel to my machine, because of 2BG filesizelimit 2.2 kernel has with ext2 |
| 10:55.02 | rixth_ | Whats the command to find our a files size? |
| 10:55.49 | TinoW | MM2: compare the letters: "lilo" "apt-get" |
| 10:55.59 | Ragan | ozzloy, maybe you need to raise the volume? try it with alsamixer |
| 10:56.06 | MM2 | So if I remove 2.4bf kernel does it remove himself from lilo's menu? And if I try new kernel, will my machine end up with NICless state? |
| 10:56.12 | TinoW | MM2: what on earth has lilo to do with which kernels you can install? ;) |
| 10:56.25 | MM2 | kernel install himself to lilo |
| 10:56.31 | MM2 | and adds symlinks |
| 10:56.35 | TheStar | MM2, Lilo boots the kernel, not hte reverse. |
| 10:56.41 | MM2 | I know |
| 10:56.44 | gilles | How can I activate the wifi on an Asus laptop (i just have a push button), I mean having the wifi led on ? |
| 10:56.45 | TheStar | MM2, Although, sounds like you may want Grub instead. |
| 10:56.50 | MM2 | but I don't want to mess up with lilo |
| 10:56.52 | TinoW | MM2: ah. if you remove, the installer tries to remove it from lilo conf as well. But you should always double-check |
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| 10:57.02 | ozzloy | Ragan, i tried that. it's not that the sound is low, xmms says the soundcard isn't configured right |
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| 10:57.16 | MM2 | how about symlinks? |
| 10:57.21 | MM2 | in /boot |
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| 10:57.52 | TinoW | MM2: so check if the links in / are correct and actually point to the vmlinuz and initrd.img they should and compare with the entries in /etc/lilo.conf, then run lilo -v to be sure and cross your fingers when you reboot |
| 10:57.56 | Ragan | ozzloy, try 'alsamixer', if it fails alsa isn't working right |
| 10:58.16 | ghent | i forgot how to extract evreything from a debian package (including installation rules) |
| 10:58.30 | simonrvn | @real kernel |
| 10:58.31 | ravenbird | real kernel is probably The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. |
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| 10:58.42 | TinoW | MM2: and you can have more then one kernel in your lilo.conf so you can select which to boot |
| 10:58.50 | maximus | ozzloy, you dont have anything else using the card? Only one thing at a time can use it untill you install a plugin |
| 10:59.01 | simonrvn | although dpkg probably has a slightly younger factoid =) |
| 10:59.01 | ozzloy | i did alsamixer, it works |
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| 10:59.09 | sml | ciao people. |
| 10:59.26 | ozzloy | maximus, i have nothing else using the card |
| 10:59.41 | TinoW | while I see no reason for not including a standard generic kernel with install-disks :) |
| 10:59.45 | sml | I've spent six hours slaving away over a .tex file. Finally i've converted it to PDF and it's pukka only minor problem is that the agency (it's a cv) want it in bloody html |
| 10:59.56 | sml | how to i convert a pdf or raw tex file to html ? |
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| 11:00.05 | TinoW | sml: tex -> html should be fairly easy |
| 11:00.10 | kaner | sml: apt-get install latex2html |
| 11:00.15 | sml | kaner: cheers. |
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| 11:01.06 | Gathond | sml: latex2html? |
| 11:01.21 | sml | and from there i can probably convert it to word or some other format that will fsck-up all the nice formatting i spent hours perfecting. |
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| 11:01.30 | maximus | ozzloy, can you get sound out of, say mplayer |
| 11:01.30 | sml | god i hate the fact that we live in a windows world. |
| 11:01.48 | druidu | hello |
| 11:01.54 | Ragan | ozzloy, hmm, then it's properly a gnome thing and that somebody else have to help you with |
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| 11:01.57 | druidu | you can give me exploit for debian ? |
| 11:02.12 | Gathond | druidu: why on earth would we do that |
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| 11:02.18 | kaner | lol druidu |
| 11:02.19 | sml | druidu: LOL |
| 11:02.22 | MM2 | TinoW: but how to deal with symlinks? |
| 11:02.22 | kaner | druidu: go home |
| 11:02.29 | TinoW | MM2: man ln |
| 11:02.29 | druidu | ok |
| 11:02.30 | druidu | ;( |
| 11:02.47 | SlayerXP | druidu: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda |
| 11:02.54 | druidu | ;=)) |
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| 11:03.02 | druidu | hey , i'm a kid |
| 11:03.05 | ozzloy | maximus, Ragan : This is an audio-only file, and there is no audio output available. |
| 11:03.05 | sml | SlayerXP: or , yes > /dev/hda |
| 11:03.10 | kaner | druidu: we all know that |
| 11:03.11 | druidu | i have 12 years old |
| 11:03.13 | ozzloy | that's from totem |
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| 11:03.17 | sml | druidu: yes you are. a "script kid" infact. |
| 11:03.20 | druidu | and i from romania |
| 11:03.20 | kaner | druidu: and now...go! |
| 11:03.27 | TinoW | MM2: you can also skip this symlink bullshit and put the paths to the images directly into lilo.conf |
| 11:03.28 | druidu | okey :( |
| 11:03.28 | MM2 | so I only ln -s /vmlinuz.something /boot/vnlinut2.233.2.3.23 |
| 11:03.33 | ozzloy | i shall try logging out and back in |
| 11:03.41 | ozzloy | cuz hey why not |
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| 11:03.45 | TinoW | MM2: the other way round. Just like copy |
| 11:03.49 | [Cruz | Hiya |
| 11:03.55 | [Cruz | Has anyone seen Debbie? |
| 11:04.00 | TinoW | MM2: so ln -fs /boot/vnlinut2.233.2.3.23 /vmlinuz.something |
| 11:04.07 | maximus | druiidu try rm -f |
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| 11:04.16 | druidu | .. |
| 11:04.22 | TinoW | MM2: if you dont trust -f, just remove beforehand with rm |
| 11:04.23 | MM2 | TinoW: thank you! |
| 11:04.45 | TinoW | MM2: because if you use ln -fs and do it wrong, you trash your source :) |
| 11:04.51 | MM2 | I'll try other kernels... |
| 11:04.58 | [Cruz | HI PUNKS |
| 11:05.10 | MM2 | but I don't know which kernel to try next... :( |
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| 11:05.29 | TinoW | MM2: the 2.6 kernels arent that bad |
| 11:05.30 | TinoW | :-) |
| 11:06.09 | MM2 | but them are not in stable woody :) |
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| 11:06.22 | ozzloy | nope, that didn't work |
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| 11:07.07 | [Cruz | .......Grange Hill |
| 11:07.16 | looksaus | I have an epiphany problem |
| 11:07.20 | looksaus | printing |
| 11:07.33 | looksaus | every other gnome app seems to be working fine |
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| 11:07.43 | [Cruz | e-piphany! mu$ic to my ear$ |
| 11:07.53 | gilles | How to detect special buttons of keyboard (like this that activate the wifi, put on/off the volume...) ? |
| 11:07.54 | looksaus | can't seem to find anything useful in /var/log/ |
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| 11:08.07 | looksaus | other gnome apps work fine |
| 11:08.17 | looksaus | where printing is concerned |
| 11:08.17 | [Cruz | gn0me |
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| 11:08.39 | looksaus | any suggestions? |
| 11:08.48 | [Cruz | Yes |
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| 11:08.53 | [Cruz | Try reconfigurating the configurator |
| 11:08.59 | Snelda | Hey everyone. Sarge is hanging at "Loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK'" for about 15 or 20 minutes on my machine. Once I get to partitioning, the same thing happens (takes about 10 minutes to get to 2 percent). Anyone have any ideas/suggestions? It's going to take me years to install like this. I'm using an ABIT A8N-SLI Deluxe (AMD64) and 4 good SATA drives (a 74gb raptor and a few larger drives) |
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| 11:09.07 | npx | Anyone know how to get dpkg to tell me the latest version of gcc? |
| 11:09.19 | looksaus | [Cruz: if you're a bot, your owner sucks |
| 11:09.19 | [Cruz | JUST LEAVE IT ON OVERNIGHT |
| 11:09.23 | looksaus | if not, you do |
| 11:09.31 | Snelda | j/k |
| 11:09.54 | [Cruz | bot! what bot! |
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| 11:10.36 | Snelda | There has to be an explanation tho... If the installer is having a problem with IDE/SATA access, I'll bet i'll have problems with debian once its installed |
| 11:10.36 | npx | Okay.. does anyone know if gcc 4.x is in unstable? |
| 11:10.36 | ^Haplo^ | gilles, try hotkeys |
| 11:10.36 | [Cruz | npx, they all crash |
| 11:10.51 | ^Haplo^ | npx, gcc 4.x isn't yet in unstable |
| 11:10.54 | ^Haplo^ | maybe in experimental |
| 11:11.09 | gilles | ^Haplo^: I don't have this command... |
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| 11:11.16 | npx | Cool, thanks |
| 11:11.17 | ^Haplo^ | gilles, it's a package |
| 11:11.19 | ^Haplo^ | install it |
| 11:11.51 | ^Haplo^ | npx, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 11:12.18 | ^Haplo^ | be warned, experimental is, unlike sid, truly unstable |
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| 11:12.37 | npx | yeah |
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| 11:12.49 | npx | if I'm gonna play with gcc 4.x I'll do it in a sandbox =P |
| 11:13.03 | ozzloy | thanx maximus, et al. night |
| 11:13.08 | ozzloy | i shall be back for more |
| 11:13.12 | ^Haplo^ | good idea npx |
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| 11:14.26 | ^Haplo^ | npx, definitely gcc4 seems to be in experimental, look: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16491.html |
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| 11:14.38 | maximus | who farted |
| 11:15.02 | npx | me |
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| 11:15.17 | double_c | He who smelt it, dealt it :) |
| 11:15.21 | Paganist | Hi I have a problem with X. I get a virtual screen where i didn t set any Virtual line in XF86Config-4 and i get a qwerty keyboard where i have set my layout as fr... any help please ? |
| 11:15.29 | maximus | was a good one too |
| 11:16.12 | ^Haplo^ | Paganist, have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
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| 11:16.38 | Paganist | Haplo. no... |
| 11:16.56 | ahan | hello everybody i've got some trouble with my debian sarge kernel 2.6.8-1 and my DVB card nexus-s i've loaded all the modules and the dmesg sounds to be Okay i have a device, /.dev/dvb/adapter0 but not in /dev/dvb, what's wrong ? |
| 11:17.04 | Paganist | Will it change something else than XF86Config-4 ? |
| 11:17.24 | ^Haplo^ | I think it does not |
| 11:17.28 | ^Haplo^ | but I'm not totally sure |
| 11:17.36 | ^Haplo^ | anyways it's the common way to configure X in Debian |
| 11:17.38 | directhex|work | ahan, it means the driver isn;t loaded |
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| 11:18.00 | Paganist | funny thing is im pretty sure my config is good |
| 11:18.16 | Paganist | im even right sure... |
| 11:18.33 | ^Haplo^ | make sure the configuration file you want is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:18.43 | Paganist | it is |
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| 11:18.48 | ^Haplo^ | even if it is, I would make a backup of that file and try reconfiguring |
| 11:18.50 | directhex|work | Paganist, what version of debian, what graphics card? |
| 11:18.53 | ahan | directhex|work, no because i can access to it with /.dev/ so is it udev or sysfs wich are going mad ? |
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| 11:19.33 | directhex|work | ahan, udev creates /dev/ based on drivers which are loaded. /.dev/ creates all possible devices, not those which you neccessarily have or want |
| 11:19.46 | directhex|work | ahan, if it's not in /dev/ with udev installed, you don't have the driver loaded |
| 11:19.48 | Paganist | directhex|work, sarge radeon 7500 for which i use the generic ati driver |
| 11:20.01 | npx | I thinka ima install experimental in a vmware img |
| 11:20.06 | ahan | directhex|work, ok, have you got a dvb s card ? |
| 11:20.28 | ^Haplo^ | npx, experimental isn't installed as sarge or sid, it's not a complete branch of debian |
| 11:20.34 | rixth_ | Don't you just love making other machines do youur work via SSH? :) |
| 11:20.38 | dondelelcaro | Fetched 244MB in 58s (4150kB/s) now that's what I call mirror performance... |
| 11:20.40 | ^Haplo^ | it only holds some too new packages, to test them |
| 11:20.49 | npx | yeah it's built on top of unstable |
| 11:21.02 | ^Haplo^ | that's right |
| 11:21.12 | npx | but you can dist-upgrade to it, so it counts imo |
| 11:21.12 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro, what ISP / mirror? |
| 11:21.28 | ^Haplo^ | I've already seen some people trying to install a pure experimental... xD |
| 11:21.34 | Paganist | that i really can t get is the keyboard layout |
| 11:21.44 | ^Haplo^ | well, dist-upgrade doesn't mean you change to another branch |
| 11:21.55 | ^Haplo^ | it just differs from a plain upgrade |
| 11:21.58 | directhex|work | ahan, i have dvb-t cards based on the cx88xx driver |
| 11:22.02 | ^Haplo^ | upgrade doesn't install nor removes packages |
| 11:22.04 | ^Haplo^ | dist-upgrade does |
| 11:22.12 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: calren2 |
| 11:22.14 | ^Haplo^ | I think that's the main difference |
| 11:22.37 | ahan | directhex|work, i use /etc/module to load my drivers, can i paste a part of my dmesg concerning my card to you (in private) ? |
| 11:22.43 | maximus | ^Haplo^, upgrade doesnt install packages? |
| 11:22.59 | maximus | ^Haplo^, update maybe? |
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| 11:23.10 | dondelelcaro | actually, now it's called cenic |
| 11:23.15 | directhex|work | ahan, #flood |
| 11:23.20 | ^Haplo^ | I think upgrade only get new versions of currently installed packages |
| 11:23.21 | ahan | directhex|work, ok |
| 11:23.27 | npx | why must they rename drivers =( |
| 11:23.36 | ^Haplo^ | I may be wrong, I never use plain apt-get, I'm addicted to aptitude |
| 11:23.51 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro, I don't guess you can kick people off the server altogether? If you do a /whois rixth you will see that is me. I want my nick back! |
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| 11:24.30 | Paganist | ill try the reconfigure... |
| 11:24.32 | Paganist | bbl |
| 11:24.37 | npx | rixth_ /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 11:24.38 | ahan | directhex|work, have u seen it ? it's really strange |
| 11:24.41 | Lennart | Anyone can tell me the name of the KDE program, that allowed you to input text using mouse only ? |
| 11:24.48 | ^Haplo^ | Paganist, backup first, always... ;-) |
| 11:24.50 | directhex|work | ahan, it looks correct to me |
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| 11:25.05 | rixth_ | npx, thanks |
| 11:25.07 | directhex|work | ahan, though personal experience tells me the more recent the kernel, the better, for dvb support |
| 11:25.16 | ahan | directhex|work, me too , but i haven't these devices and i'm getting mad |
| 11:25.33 | ahan | directhex|work, i've installed the latest kernel of debian sarge 2.6.8-2 |
| 11:25.41 | directhex|work | ahan, load dvb-core and dvb-ttpci |
| 11:26.29 | rixth_ | npx, but my name is not registered! It's been taken for a couple days now. |
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| 11:26.41 | npx | you = juped |
| 11:26.44 | npx | should've regged it |
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| 11:27.56 | cef | is there a way to compile kernel source modules against the default kernel rather than compiling your own? by kernel source modules I mean the kernel-modules stuff (/usr/src/modules/*) ?? |
| 11:28.34 | torpet | just use the precompiled modules from the apt archive |
| 11:28.44 | ^Haplo^ | cef, install kernel-headers |
| 11:28.57 | rixth_ | apache:/etc/init.d# apt-get install rrconf |
| 11:28.58 | rixth_ | Segmentation fault |
| 11:28.59 | rixth_ | Huh. |
| 11:29.00 | cef | torpet: don't exist for madwifi drivers *sigh* |
| 11:29.00 | ^Haplo^ | if you have a Debian kernel installed (a kernel-image-... package) |
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| 11:29.18 | ^Haplo^ | there should be a kernel-headers-... package for that kernel |
| 11:29.21 | Gathond | rixth_: that would be in the, rather bad catagory of errors :) |
| 11:29.24 | ahan | directhex|work, here is my /etc/module ide-cd ide-detect budget-ci budget-core dvb-ttpci saa7146 stv0299dvb-core saa7146_vv video_buf v4l1_compat v4l2_common videodev firmware_class ttpci_eeprom |
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| 11:29.32 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: that happens from time to time. Just try the command again |
| 11:29.37 | cef | ^Haplo^: you can make the kernel modules stuff against the headers? |
| 11:29.42 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: if it fails again, clear away the cache |
| 11:29.44 | ^Haplo^ | yes |
| 11:29.45 | rixth_ | Gathond, Indeed. dondelelcaro, I shall. |
| 11:29.47 | directhex|work | cef, what module are you trying to build? |
| 11:29.49 | ^Haplo^ | you don't need the full sources |
| 11:29.53 | ^Haplo^ | just the headers |
| 11:30.01 | ^Haplo^ | well, it works almost always |
| 11:30.06 | cef | directhex|work: madwifi.. atheros wifi |
| 11:30.22 | directhex|work | cef, apt-get install module-assistant; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 11:30.24 | ^Haplo^ | I think the ATI drivers and some other things may need the full sources, but I'm not sure cause I've got NVidia |
| 11:30.48 | St0n3-C0l | When Gnome 2.10 gonna be available ? |
| 11:30.56 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro, by clearing the cache do you mean the shell cache? /clear? |
| 11:30.58 | gilles | hotkeys doesn't take into consideration my keyboard |
| 11:30.59 | directhex|work | no madwifi module-source? that's odd |
| 11:31.14 | xLobeznox | St0n3-C0l, ubuntu hoary comes with gnome 2.10 linux 2.6.10 xorg 6.8.2 |
| 11:31.26 | xLobeznox | in x86, and powerpc |
| 11:31.39 | ^Haplo^ | gilles, what do you mean? |
| 11:31.48 | cef | directhex|work: madwifi isn't in debian, nor is it in the mainline kernel |
| 11:32.04 | St0n3-C0l | xLobeznox: But i think Ubuntu does not use Debian repos |
| 11:32.13 | xLobeznox | St0n3-C0l, no |
| 11:32.20 | xLobeznox | St0n3-C0l, but you can use ubuntu ones |
| 11:32.23 | cef | directhex|work: but there is madwifi source available as an external kernel module |
| 11:32.34 | directhex|work | xLobeznox, so why are you here? |
| 11:32.58 | rixth_ | !tell xLobeznox unbuntu |
| 11:32.59 | St0n3-C0l | haha |
| 11:33.03 | xLobeznox | directhex|work, because xchat join automatically here |
| 11:33.06 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: no, I mean the apt-get package cache. |
| 11:33.06 | rixth_ | !tell xLobeznox ubuntu |
| 11:33.14 | directhex|work | xLobeznox, so file a bug against the xchat package |
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| 11:33.21 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro, I've just done a restart |
| 11:33.30 | xLobeznox | rixth_, I know ubuntu, and I know debian, I am using debian since I know linux, ok |
| 11:33.39 | Coke | Everybody keeps giving Debian crap for not having the latest bleeding edge stuff. Well, I prefer a stable desktop rather than a bleeding one. |
| 11:33.39 | gilles | ^Haplo^: i mean that when type "hotkey -t ipanel" (for my Asus laptop), the buttons like this to put on the wifi don't work |
| 11:33.49 | xLobeznox | directhex|work, :) |
| 11:33.55 | xLobeznox | I dont think is a bug |
| 11:33.56 | directhex|work | Coke, and you can simulate the effect with ketchup |
| 11:34.03 | directhex|work | xLobeznox, oh, it definitely is |
| 11:34.06 | xLobeznox | you can join debian or ubuntu "servers" freenode |
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| 11:34.11 | directhex|work | xLobeznox, we do not & cannot support ubuntu here |
| 11:34.17 | xLobeznox | directhex|work, bah, Use ubuntu and then talk.. |
| 11:34.30 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: restarting probably won't help you. just rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and/or /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db |
| 11:34.34 | xLobeznox | directhex|work, do I ask you for help? |
| 11:34.36 | St0n3-C0l | directhex|work: He's not asking for any help :P |
| 11:34.37 | xLobeznox | so shut up :P |
| 11:34.56 | directhex|work | xLobeznox, you're telling me, in #debian, that i have to use ubuntu? christ ÂŽ_ÂŽ |
| 11:34.56 | ^Haplo^ | gilles, I've never used multimedia keys, so I don't have experience configuring it, sorry |
| 11:35.05 | xLobeznox | directhex|work, and why not? |
| 11:35.07 | xLobeznox | or suse |
| 11:35.11 | xLobeznox | xD |
| 11:35.12 | cef | directhex|work: looks good.. m-a looks very useful *grin* |
| 11:35.20 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro, nope, it did, but I will remember that for the future |
| 11:35.32 | directhex|work | cef, looks like it doesn't have madwifi thouguh. certainly not on this amd64 machine |
| 11:35.35 | St0n3-C0l | Xlobeznox: May I pvt u ? |
| 11:35.43 | xLobeznox | St0n3-C0l, yes |
| 11:35.59 | cef | directhex|work: I have apt sources that provide the madwifi source |
| 11:36.12 | Coke | Hehe, now they will continue dissing directhex|work in private. |
| 11:36.16 | cef | directhex|work: deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi |
| 11:36.17 | directhex|work | cef, but does module assistant know about it? |
| 11:36.31 | cef | directhex|work: worked here.. module just built and installed |
| 11:36.43 | directhex|work | Coke, you sound as if i care. |
| 11:36.53 | directhex|work | cef, good good, then. module assistant is your friend |
| 11:37.03 | directhex|work | !module-assistant |
| 11:37.03 | dpkg | [module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them |
| 11:37.13 | directhex|work | !module-assistant is also the daddy |
| 11:37.13 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 11:37.15 | Coke | directhex|work: no, I sound as if they were childish and slightly retarded. |
| 11:37.30 | cef | directhex|work: indeed it is.. going to give it a try now |
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| 11:38.21 | cef | bbk |
| 11:39.07 | simonrvn | indirectoctal|home :P |
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| 11:40.14 | karsten | What are people recommendign for backup solutions these days? Amanada. Tar. What else? |
| 11:40.20 | directhex|work | cp! |
| 11:40.23 | karsten | </poll> |
| 11:40.26 | karsten | !shoot directhex|work |
| 11:40.40 | directhex|work | aw, someone fixed dpkg to stop dying on my pipe |
| 11:41.16 | simonrvn | s/crack/pot/ |
| 11:41.17 | jm_ | karsten: I use dobackup.pl |
| 11:41.20 | meebey | karsten: rsync |
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| 11:41.35 | karsten | meebey: Yeah, I was going to add rsync, CVS, svn, arch.... |
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| 11:42.14 | jm_ | backuppc also looks nice |
| 11:42.18 | torpet | which version-management-system is your favourite? svn or cvs? |
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| 11:42.36 | meebey | SVN is much better |
| 11:42.40 | torpet | why? |
| 11:42.47 | torpet | i haven't used it |
| 11:42.53 | meebey | cvs is very feature-less compared to cvs |
| 11:42.56 | meebey | err svn |
| 11:42.58 | directhex|work | bitkeeper! |
| 11:43.00 | meebey | cvs cant even rename files |
| 11:43.03 | meebey | or directories |
| 11:43.05 | simonrvn | arch |
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| 11:43.12 | torpet | why arch? |
| 11:43.21 | simonrvn | because it works |
| 11:43.30 | torpet | svn too, i thought... |
| 11:43.37 | meebey | svn has atomic commits, if something fails none changes are done on the server |
| 11:43.52 | simonrvn | it has its merits. you *did* ask personal preference |
| 11:43.56 | BlackSunSystems | nice :) 12 mins d/l for 650mb smoking |
| 11:43.58 | karsten | !start an arch war |
| 11:43.58 | dpkg | m68k is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
| 11:44.14 | karsten | Hrm. Wrong arch. |
| 11:44.33 | meebey | hrhr |
| 11:44.34 | simonrvn | i'm not a bigot. i'll use svn if i need to. no biggie |
| 11:45.00 | meebey | if you ever used cvs and svn, you will never use cvs again |
| 11:45.04 | St0n3-C0l | BlackSunSystems: Lucky :P |
| 11:45.05 | meebey | with arch and bitkeeper I dont know |
| 11:45.09 | torpet | why does linus torvalds like to use bitkeeper?? |
| 11:45.14 | meebey | but bitkeep is not-free so its useless IMHO |
| 11:45.27 | karsten | torpet: Increases his productivity markedly, from what he says. |
| 11:45.29 | cef | bugger.. it built the module, loaded it, but doesn't actually work (or so it seems).. doh! |
| 11:45.36 | simonrvn | the kernel hackers have their reasons for using bk |
| 11:45.45 | simonrvn | looong story |
| 11:45.46 | karsten | torpet: ...and he's worked with Larry for ages, Larry supports his needs. |
| 11:45.58 | BlackSunSystems | St0n3-C01: its all about picking the right place to work :) |
| 11:46.26 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 11:46.28 | St0n3-C0l | haha |
| 11:46.32 | torpet | karsten: Larry Wall? |
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| 11:47.05 | meebey | I think linus is not that free as the OSS community is |
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| 11:47.22 | meebey | I would prefere free software with less features over non-free software |
| 11:47.37 | scarynetworkguy | Linux has always said that he could give a shit about idealogy. |
| 11:47.44 | scarynetworkguy | s/Linux/Linus |
| 11:47.45 | markybob | s/linux/linus |
| 11:48.12 | ireverentReveren | any one know of a software suspend 2 channel on irc? |
| 11:48.13 | meebey | but luckily the kernel is under the GPL ;) |
| 11:48.21 | cef | forget what I said.. it works! yay!!!! |
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| 11:48.32 | ^Haplo^ | I think that's a wrong point of view |
| 11:48.35 | BlackSunSystems | yes but there is a point where free can = featureless can = sh1t |
| 11:48.38 | markybob | meebey, there werent too many other oss lincenses back then :) |
| 11:48.46 | ^Haplo^ | ethics is something to be worried and to think about |
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| 11:49.01 | cef | !madwifi |
| 11:49.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi |
| 11:49.05 | scarynetworkguy | He mainly choose the GPL to say thanks to RMS for GCC and has long said that had he been aware of BSD that he would have joined that project. |
| 11:49.09 | meebey | markybob: it was the right choice though IMHO |
| 11:49.33 | sml | scarynetworkguy: who said ? linus t ? |
| 11:49.38 | scarynetworkguy | sml: Yes. |
| 11:49.53 | rixth_ | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found <-- waht library would I be wanting? |
| 11:49.53 | SpamHog | Is there a listing of the various "!xxxx" thingies here? |
| 11:49.54 | sml | A lot of people think RMS smokes crack. |
| 11:50.05 | jm_ | rixth_: ncurses |
| 11:50.07 | sml | Certainly Emacs would go some way to proving that point.. |
| 11:50.07 | BlackSunSystems | could or couldn't give a shit? |
| 11:50.08 | SpamHog | he's juts a bit maladapted |
| 11:50.35 | maximus | seems to be a lot of people here smoke crack |
| 11:50.42 | karsten | torpet: No. Larry McVoy. |
| 11:50.43 | rixth_ | Package ncurses is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:50.43 | rixth_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 11:50.43 | rixth_ | is only available from another source |
| 11:50.45 | rixth_ | (sorry for the flood) |
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| 11:50.49 | ^Haplo^ | I don't mind if RMS smokes crack or not |
| 11:50.53 | simonrvn | .... |
| 11:50.54 | torpet | karsten: who is that guy? |
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| 11:51.03 | simonrvn | @lart rixth_ |
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| 11:51.06 | ^Haplo^ | but I know that he defends what he says |
| 11:51.12 | jm_ | rixth_: bah, /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 11:51.16 | karsten | torpet: He's the creator of BitKeeper and CEO of BitMover. |
| 11:51.20 | sml | well all the people on alt.religion.emacs are crack dealers. |
| 11:51.25 | torpet | ohhhhhhhh |
| 11:51.35 | karsten | torpet: Also a kernel developer, and long-time Unix guy, worked for Sun and SGI back in the day. |
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| 11:52.17 | rixth_ | Thanks jm |
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| 11:52.58 | karsten | !taunt rixth_ |
| 11:52.59 | dpkg | looks at rixth_'s dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 11:53.17 | karsten | sml: No, not crack dealers. |
| 11:53.28 | karsten | sml: ctrl-alt-meta-shift-crack dealers. |
| 11:53.29 | sml | karsten: Myopic Deviants then |
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| 11:53.56 | sml | karsten: ctrl-1 ctrl-esc ctrl-bow-down-before-thy-master x |
| 11:53.57 | karsten | sml: ...and RMS wonders how he got carpal-tunnel.... |
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| 11:54.43 | sml | well im just waiting for a day when i can find an elisp interpretter that isn't coupled with GNU Emacs. |
| 11:54.44 | JRWR_ | when i installed debain i set my mointers refreshrate t0 high for it to handle now i cant get into debian at all, im using woody |
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| 11:55.04 | JRWR_ | any way i can reset it |
| 11:55.16 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:55.23 | sml | gnus does actually go someway towards justifying the beast that is emacs. |
| 11:55.35 | JRWR_ | bit how do i fet into linux to do that |
| 11:55.36 | karsten | JRWR_: <ctrl><alt><F1> may bring you back to a console. |
| 11:55.43 | JRWR_ | ok |
| 11:55.47 | jm_ | JRWR_: /msg dpkg nodm ; /msg dpkg reconfigure x |
| 11:55.53 | karsten | JRWR_: If you can't do that, boot single at your GRUB/LILO prompt. |
| 11:56.32 | rixth_ | Is there any tool that I can use to filter a text file? Ie, remove lines from a log file that include 127.0.0.1? |
| 11:56.51 | jm_ | rixth_: never used a text editor? |
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| 11:57.38 | rixth_ | jm_, Hard when you have a 200kb+ files. |
| 11:57.49 | pucko- | how do I listen to /dev/ttyS0 without interupting other programs (pppd for example) that use that device? |
| 11:57.57 | directhex|work | rixth_, grep |
| 11:58.47 | ^Haplo^ | pucko-, using what? in a C program? in the shell? |
| 11:58.49 | jm_ | rixth_: use a decent editor, like vim or emacs |
| 11:58.55 | pucko- | haplo, in the shell |
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| 12:00.04 | jm_ | besides, what is 200KB for an editor? |
| 12:00.05 | maximus | pucko-, you want to hear your modem? |
| 12:00.05 | directhex|work | rixth_, more usefully, grep -v 127.0.0.1 file.txt > file2.txt will create a new filtered file2 |
| 12:00.16 | ireverentReveren | i patched my kernel witht eh software suspend patch, recompiled, and booted to it, but when i run "hibernate" a bunch of text scrolls by (mainly appears to be USB related) and the machine does not halt. Any ideas what is wrong and how to fix it? |
| 12:00.46 | pucko- | maximus, I obviously don't want to listen to it, but I would like to se what commands are sent over it (to configure the modem/null-modem and such) |
| 12:00.48 | maximus | ireverentReveren, look in hiberneate log |
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| 12:01.41 | ireverentReveren | maximus thanks |
| 12:02.14 | cef | grr, just as I go to teach dpkg something |
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| 12:02.40 | maximus | pucko-, when you start it? |
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| 12:03.39 | pucko- | maximus, yes I want to see what my win98 client is telling the pppd on my linux machine |
| 12:04.38 | maximus | pucko-, oh, buggered if i know if you can it will al be gibberish? |
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| 12:06.04 | claudemir | exit |
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| 12:07.14 | dampjam | I have a directory with 770 owned by user root, group blah. There is a user who is a member of group blah named albert. albert's primary group though is albert. How can I make it so that when albert creates a file in blah, by default it's owned by group blah, and not group albert? |
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| 12:08.03 | KimHansen | The -T option to edquota mentioned in the man-page doesn't seem to exists, is that a bug? |
| 12:08.10 | sep | dampjam: i think by setting the sticky bit on the dir |
| 12:08.10 | pucko- | maximus, no I can read the first command that is send. but then it waits for the pppd (which don't reveice anything since I'm blocking it when I listen for some reason) |
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| 12:09.03 | KimHansen | dampjam: it is the setgid-bit you need to set on the directory |
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| 12:09.41 | dampjam | thanks, and for the follow up, is there a good page to look at for learning how to set the gid bit? |
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| 12:10.19 | Pappa | chmodf? |
| 12:11.05 | KimHansen | dampjam: man chmod |
| 12:11.31 | maximus | pucko-, when you say listen, its printing to console? shouldnt stop pppd from responding |
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| 12:13.45 | maximus | pucko-, start pppd in debug |
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| 12:14.19 | Pappa | dampjam: the quick way, chgrp blah spam && chmod +s spam/ |
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| 12:14.48 | dampjam | chmod g+s directory seems to work |
| 12:14.49 | Pappa | dampjam: then all files will be chowned by albert:blah |
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| 12:15.27 | White_snake | hello a;; |
| 12:15.42 | PartyFon | hi all |
| 12:15.56 | PartyFon | what is a cantry? |
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| 12:16.22 | PartyFon | I bad speake in English |
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| 12:16.44 | ^Haplo^ | what languages do you speak, PartyFon? |
| 12:16.45 | PartyFon | what is a cantry? |
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| 12:16.49 | LXS | re :) |
| 12:16.56 | PartyFon | Russian |
| 12:17.03 | Toksyuryel|zzzzz | I /MSG'd "guidlines" to dpkg and um... nothing happened... c.c |
| 12:17.12 | Pappa | now that's one kick ass language |
| 12:17.20 | dampjam | Thanks all! |
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| 12:18.41 | Pappa | maybe cause |
| 12:18.42 | xinming | anyone here can give me a url for hard disk install? I can do a hard disk install for woody, But I don't know how to do for sarge. so please help. |
| 12:18.45 | Pappa | there are none |
| 12:19.02 | directhex|work | eh? |
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| 12:19.21 | jm_ | xinming: it's not in the manual anymore, following the same steps as for Woody should help |
| 12:19.22 | directhex|work | !d-i xinming |
| 12:19.40 | directhex|work | who killed dpkg? |
| 12:19.46 | directhex|work | @d-i xinming |
| 12:19.56 | St0n3-C0l | there were sum unofficial apt-get repos |
| 12:19.58 | ningo | directhex|work, too many users at once |
| 12:19.58 | St0n3-C0l | ? |
| 12:20.00 | jm_ | or rather, it is in the manual, but it doesn't have the steps for bootin from DOS, only using lilo/GRUB |
| 12:20.01 | St0n3-C0l | whaat was the link :> |
| 12:20.01 | directhex|work | fucks sake. debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 12:20.06 | Pappa | 12:56 -!- dpkg [~dpkg@dpkg.user] has quit [Excess Flood] |
| 12:20.25 | Pappa | fake one? lol |
| 12:20.46 | xinming | jm_, But, In fact, I made loadlin to load the kernel for sarge, but doesn't help. |
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| 12:20.56 | jm_ | xinming: why doesn't it help? |
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| 12:23.20 | Toksyuryel | If I sound like a total newb... it's because I am one...... How do I change the drivers that were assigned to my soundcard? When I installed it picked the wrong ones ; ; |
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| 12:23.34 | xinming | jm_, In sarge, It seems that the framebuffer isn't compiled in kernel. So I remove the option "vga=791", And initrd is initrd.gz and the kernel is vmlinuz. and neither I keep the original "ramdisk_size=1.44 root=/dev/ram" such kind of things nor remove it, |
| 12:23.36 | rixth_ | Is there any way to automatically lock the screen after X minutes? |
| 12:23.42 | ^Haplo^ | Toksyuryel, which debian version? |
| 12:23.43 | ledet | Toksyuryel: if your drivers are wrong, they just wont work |
| 12:23.45 | xinming | jm_, It will always tell me unable to mount root fs |
| 12:23.50 | maximus | PartyFon, where did you see cantry? |
| 12:23.50 | pucko- | maximus, ah, thanks. just found out about the debug options myself :-) |
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| 12:24.04 | rixth_ | Well, I'm dumb. Just found it. |
| 12:24.20 | PartyFon | Im from Russia |
| 12:24.29 | Toksyuryel | ^Haplo^: it was an HD install off a Knoppix 3.7 LiveCD (using knoppix-installer with the 'Debian' option) |
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| 12:24.55 | ^Haplo^ | Toksyuryel, you should know that Knoppix is based on Debian, but it's not the same |
| 12:25.05 | maximus | PartyFon, do you mean country??? |
| 12:25.07 | ^Haplo^ | expect to have some knoppix-only problems |
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| 12:25.17 | jm_ | xinming: is that with 2.6 or 2.4 kernel? I haven't used loadlin for a long time, but I know it loaded initrd images fine with 2.2 kernels |
| 12:25.20 | PartyFon | what? |
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| 12:25.33 | PartyFon | i dont anderstend you |
| 12:25.38 | Toksyuryel | Was kinda hoping this wouldn't be one of them ^^ |
| 12:25.41 | xinming | jm_, 2.6.x series kernel. |
| 12:25.46 | deadline | hi, when i do for example: 'cat /var/log/messages | grep error' i will get all lines containing the work 'error'. but if i want to show these 'error' lines and for example the 10 lines before and after that line, what command should i use then? |
| 12:26.08 | xinming | jm_, and the kernel I use for woody is 2.4.18 |
| 12:26.40 | baz | deadline: just use less, and search for error by typing '/error' and pressing return. you'll see them in context then |
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| 12:27.30 | cahoot | deadcat: use the -A and -C switches i grep |
| 12:27.33 | maximus | PartyFon, try #debian-russian |
| 12:27.43 | cahoot | deadline ^ |
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| 12:27.58 | Pappa | any kickass games in apt? |
| 12:28.01 | cef | grrr.. damn dpkg |
| 12:28.11 | cef | where is that damn bot? |
| 12:28.13 | jm_ | xinming: try it with 2.4 as well, and check the messages kernel prints (I use dev=/dev/ram0 for my initrd needs) |
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| 12:28.32 | xinming | jm_, thanks |
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| 12:28.40 | Toksyuryel | I don't suppose there's a Knoppix channel around here somewhere, is there? ^^;;; |
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| 12:28.57 | maximus | errm maybe |
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| 12:29.12 | Toksyuryel | yes, I say it right as I find it in the /list *wheee* |
| 12:29.17 | bob2 | it'd be novel if it was called #knoppix |
| 12:29.36 | markybob | bob2 i was thinking the same thing. go figure. |
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| 12:30.19 | deadline | baz: thx. is there another possiblity, dont having to scroll thousands of lines? |
| 12:31.01 | ^Haplo^ | Toksyuryel, if that Knoppix uses ALSA (most probable), you could try alsaconf |
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| 12:31.36 | Toksyuryel | I think I saw the word 'alsa' a few times while searching for files |
| 12:32.07 | cef | yay |
| 12:32.18 | Toksyuryel | oh now this is interesting... |
| 12:33.09 | Toksyuryel | there's no alsaconf, but if I type "als" at the command prompt and press tab it autocompletes to also. pressing enter yields command not found though. |
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| 12:33.17 | Toksyuryel | *alsa |
| 12:33.26 | Phated | Install alsa-utils. |
| 12:33.28 | Toksyuryel | (how the hell did I make THAT typo!?!?!?) |
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| 12:33.39 | stew | !WikiFaq Toksyuryel UseSoundCard |
| 12:33.39 | dpkg | Toksyuryel: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 12:37.21 | _gentgeen_ | I just changed my /etc/lilo.conf to vga=791, now the last line of text runs off the screen - since this is a laptop, I cannot adjust the "monitor" -- any other ideas to adjust? |
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| 12:38.08 | ^Haplo^ | _gentgeen_, have you tried other modes? |
| 12:38.17 | ^Haplo^ | has vga=791 worked before? |
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| 12:38.44 | Pappa | people still use vga? |
| 12:38.56 | Pappa | thought vesa was the thing now |
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| 12:39.02 | Toksyuryel | ...I have no modules directory in etc... o.o;; |
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| 12:39.13 | markybob | that's because modules is a file |
| 12:39.16 | _gentgeen_ | ^Haplo^, No, have not done it before |
| 12:39.17 | markybob | modutils is a directory |
| 12:39.18 | Toksyuryel | oh XD |
| 12:39.29 | ^Haplo^ | _gentgeen_, you could try "vga=ask" |
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| 12:39.46 | Toksyuryel | ah, there we go |
| 12:39.53 | ^Haplo^ | that way you can select a mode before booting |
| 12:40.00 | ^Haplo^ | and see which works best |
| 12:40.03 | Toksyuryel | hey, I found the offending driver too! |
| 12:40.11 | _gentgeen_ | an the laptop has limited sizes (640x480 or 800x600 only) |
| 12:40.14 | Toksyuryel | es1371 |
| 12:40.25 | Toksyuryel | is what i remember seeing it assign to my soundcard. |
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| 12:40.41 | _gentgeen_ | ^Haplo^, do you think trying differnet "color depth" make a differnence? |
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| 12:41.03 | Toksyuryel | if I just change this value to 'sb16', will it work? or are there other things I need to change? |
| 12:41.04 | slackerz | is their an alternative for VISIO ? |
| 12:41.13 | ^Haplo^ | I don't know _gentgeen_ , I just don't like framebuffer, I suppose it's a resolution problem |
| 12:41.14 | slackerz | i dont like dia |
| 12:41.18 | slackerz | =0] |
| 12:41.19 | Wille88 | how I share printer between two linux? |
| 12:41.27 | markybob | Wille88, cupsd? |
| 12:41.31 | ^Haplo^ | slackerz, what do you want to do? |
| 12:41.39 | Wille88 | markybob: I already have it |
| 12:41.58 | _gentgeen_ | ^Haplo^, thanks, gonna go mess around with the settings some |
| 12:42.07 | markybob | Wille88, so set it up to share printer. read up on cupsd |
| 12:42.08 | ^Haplo^ | good luck _gentgeen_ |
| 12:42.09 | Wille88 | markybob: I think that I need to do something to lpr |
| 12:42.16 | slackerz | ^Haplo^, just network/server diagrams |
| 12:42.22 | markybob | Wille88, i believe 681 is the web managment port |
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| 12:44.06 | ^Haplo^ | slackerz, I think I've read something about that, but I don't remember |
| 12:44.06 | Wille88 | markybob: yes it is, but there isn't nothing about sharing |
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| 12:44.06 | ^Haplo^ | http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml |
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| 12:47.16 | ^Haplo^ | more options: tkined, xfig, tgif |
| 12:47.26 | markybob | Wille88, get on the other computer and install a network (cupsd) printer |
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| 12:47.58 | TinoW | A-cups(d) |
| 12:47.59 | TinoW | :-) |
| 12:48.34 | Wille88 | markybob: I have already installed the packages, but I just need to configure the options |
| 12:48.48 | lewis | anyone ever patched a 2.4.27 kernel with an HZ/64-bit jiffie patch, and had a few differences with fs/proc/proc_misc.c? |
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| 12:50.17 | goron | How is the support for Wireless lan on Linux? I was thinking of this one: ASUS WL-138. |
| 12:50.37 | markybob | goron, b or g or a? |
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| 12:51.40 | goron | markybob: You mean which standard? 54 MB/s should be enough for a home network. |
| 12:51.46 | SlayerXP | goron: support for b isn't too bad, support for g is nonexistant |
| 12:52.01 | markybob | SlayerXP, that's not true |
| 12:52.06 | BlackSunSystems | goron: its sketchy but you *can* get it to work if you have the right card and you try hard enough |
| 12:52.06 | goron | er, 54Mb/s |
| 12:52.09 | SlayerXP | markybob: oh? |
| 12:52.11 | markybob | goron, i suggest you get something based off of the rt2500 chipset, like the linksys wmp54g. support is provided by rt2400.sf.net |
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| 12:52.48 | markybob | SlayerXP, i'm on a 802.11g network right now. seems to be working ;) |
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| 12:53.11 | SlayerXP | markybob: so one chipset works. there's a _lot_ of chipsets out there. |
| 12:53.28 | xam | SlayerXP: prism54 works aswell ;) |
| 12:53.30 | irreverentrevere | i am getting the error "suspend_suerui: Failed to get task for freezerproofing." while trying to get hibernate working.... anyone have ideas how to get that to work? |
| 12:53.34 | markybob | SlayerXP, xam is right :) |
| 12:53.39 | markybob | SlayerXP, you just havnet looked hard enough |
| 12:53.52 | BlackSunSystems | but wireless is by no means accessible to your average desktop user yet. |
| 12:53.54 | goron | Is there some website (like linuxprinting.org). |
| 12:53.55 | markybob | SlayerXP, they dont come stock in the kernel, but that dosent mean they're not out there |
| 12:54.13 | markybob | goron, i told you one. http://rt2400.sf.net |
| 12:54.13 | xam | markybob: prism54 IS in the stock 2.6 kernels |
| 12:54.13 | SlayerXP | markybob: so my statement is technically true :) |
| 12:54.26 | markybob | SlayerXP, sure :) |
| 12:54.29 | markybob | xam, my mistake. |
| 12:54.30 | goron | markybob: I thought that was for one chipset only. |
| 12:54.30 | SlayerXP | or nearly anyway :) |
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| 12:54.45 | goron | Let me have a look. |
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| 12:54.54 | faber2 | is there a tool to edit ctime, mtime to my needs ? |
| 12:55.04 | markybob | goron, well, yeah. but honestly that's your best bet. that's what i would get. |
| 12:55.15 | xam | SlayerXP: actually prism54 is also in the latest 2.4 kernels |
| 12:55.17 | markybob | goron, linksys wmp54g. think about it. ;) |
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| 12:56.16 | xam | faber2: 'touch' ? |
| 12:56.38 | goron | markybob: Stupid question: Does it also work on Windows? |
| 12:56.51 | markybob | goron, does linksys wmp54g work in windows? absolutely |
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| 12:57.37 | faber2 | xam: ah, touch -d |
| 12:57.44 | faber2 | xam: thx :-) |
| 12:58.06 | xam | np |
| 12:58.36 | slackerz | ^Haplo^, i found one for KDE called kivio |
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| 13:01.10 | ^Haplo^ | slackerz: that's in koffice, isn't it? |
| 13:01.25 | Pappa | wth i have a 96G .txt file |
| 13:01.27 | slackerz | ^Haplo^, yes |
| 13:01.32 | ^Haplo^ | tkined it's a program just for network diagrams, maybe it's better |
| 13:01.44 | ^Haplo^ | well, you just have to try, it's free software ^_^ |
| 13:01.53 | Pappa | seems to be a log of instrucions passed to an emulator i have |
| 13:01.54 | Pappa | lol |
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| 13:03.18 | slackerz | ^Haplo^, kivio looks and has better images for network diagrams |
| 13:03.26 | slackerz | its perfect |
| 13:03.28 | slackerz | =0p |
| 13:03.28 | ^Haplo^ | great then :-) |
| 13:03.32 | slackerz | yes! |
| 13:03.35 | slackerz | im happy now |
| 13:03.48 | ^Haplo^ | I have kivio installed and I haven't launched it even once xD |
| 13:03.53 | ^Haplo^ | I'll try it now |
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| 13:07.02 | peter__ | hi |
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| 13:14.10 | Unfrgiven | does anyone know of a web based organizer? I googled around and found references to a worldpilot but it doesnt seem like its maintained anymore... |
| 13:14.13 | irreverentrevere | i am getting the error "suspend_suerui: Failed to get task for freezerproofing." while trying to get hibernate working.... anyone have ideas what is wrong? |
| 13:14.27 | markybob | Unfrgiven, opengroupware.org? :) |
| 13:14.46 | Unfrgiven | markybob: thanks :) I'll take a look. |
| 13:15.35 | markybob | Unfrgiven, has a nice web frontend...and works with the likes of evolution, etc. |
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| 13:15.59 | rob^ | pfft |
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| 13:16.05 | rob^ | netsplit |
| 13:16.10 | goron | If I want to have two computers on a wireless network, I need two wireless network cards, and one wireless router (which I connect via UTP to my ethernet modem), right? |
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| 13:16.39 | baz | goron: can't you do a crossover-style connection between 2 computers? |
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| 13:19.13 | goron | baz: You mean, ethernet modem => computer1 => computer2? Well, we don't want all those cables through the house. |
| 13:19.35 | markybob | goron, you can use ad-hoc |
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| 13:19.40 | dark_construct | upgraded from test to unstable last night - gnome won't change button or scroll styles, anyone know why? |
| 13:19.44 | markybob | goron, that doesnt require a wireless gateway |
| 13:19.52 | goron | baz: And that requires two ethernet ports on one of the computers, right? |
| 13:20.04 | dark_construct | i can't find it mentioned anywhere, could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 13:20.25 | markybob | dark_construct, welcome to unstable. thus the name. |
| 13:20.34 | baz | goron: you said you wanted to connect 2 computers together, you didn't mention the internet |
| 13:20.38 | Unfrgiven | markybob: uggh... how do i install this opengroup? i did an apt-get but it was the make files for it?!?! |
| 13:20.41 | goron | markybob: Ad-hoc? Is this a joke? Or is it really some networking term. |
| 13:20.50 | baz | goron: an ad-hoc connection would be a wireess network between the 2 |
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| 13:21.03 | baz | wireless |
| 13:21.03 | goron | baz: Yeah, that's true, but what's a computer worth without Internet :) |
| 13:21.08 | markybob | goron, it's really a term. i dont joke. |
| 13:21.31 | dark_construct | :-|, so take abnormal behavior to be the norm? hehe |
| 13:21.39 | markybob | goron, google it. i dont mind being doubted. |
| 13:21.45 | dark_construct | i thought i messed up something |
| 13:22.11 | baz | goron: then buy a wireless router |
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| 13:24.58 | goron | markybob: I checked your story ironically @ microsoft (they sure know how to write documentation). But that requires that one computer should be on, when you want to use the other. I think the router approach is best. Thanks. |
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| 13:25.08 | goron | baz: You too. |
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| 13:25.28 | markybob | goron, heh...you checked my story. nice way of putting it :) |
| 13:25.29 | Ragan | Sun Java 1.5.0-2 and Mozilla/Firefox seems broken. 1.4.x works though. |
| 13:25.59 | markybob | i need a job. someone hiring? ;) |
| 13:26.18 | baz | goron: I already said get a router :) |
| 13:26.21 | Ragan | markybob, yeah, come do my dishes, I'll pay in peanuts |
| 13:26.33 | markybob | Ragan, heh |
| 13:27.06 | directhex|work | Ragan, worksforme(tm) |
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| 13:27.46 | MobyTurbo | Ragan: works here too. |
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| 13:28.08 | Ragan | directhex|work, hmm, well it showed up in about:plugins but it didn't really run any java |
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| 13:29.32 | Ragan | directhex|work, mpkg-j2se didn't work with it eihter, I used alien with the java rpm, maybe that is where it went wrong. mpkg-j2se worked with 1.4 though |
| 13:29.43 | markybob | alian with java? eeek |
| 13:29.48 | markybob | s/alian/alien |
| 13:30.10 | MobyTurbo | Ragan: it's called make-jpkg now |
| 13:30.20 | MobyTurbo | Ragan: (apt-get install java-package) |
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| 13:30.51 | Ragan | MobyTurbo, ahh, thanks |
| 13:31.48 | directhex|work | Ragan, yes, that's where you went wrong, and again, mpkg-j2se worked fine for me. i still have the resultant .deb |
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| 13:33.02 | _fevel_ | how do i add a screen resolution to gnome (1024x768)???/ |
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| 13:33.30 | MobyTurbo | _fevel_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:34.07 | rob^ | _fevel_, or you could manually add it to /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 13:35.39 | goron | We have a basement(10 inches reinforced concrete) and a couple of floors(also reinf. conc. ) above it in our house. Do you think the signel will come through in the first place? |
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| 13:36.20 | markybob | goron, hell no |
| 13:36.30 | rob^ | heh |
| 13:36.32 | Ragan | Heh, this can't be any funnier: http://ghost.dk.homepage.dk/irc.png |
| 13:37.00 | goron | er. signal. |
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| 13:37.45 | markybob | goron, your spellilng still doesnt change my answer :) |
| 13:37.54 | lrojas | hi all |
| 13:37.55 | directhex|work | Ragan, the thing to remember is lineage 2 is a bad mmorpg played by korean kids and wannabe korean kids |
| 13:38.09 | lrojas | i am having trouble setting up my new debian box |
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| 13:38.19 | Ragan | directhex|work, yeah =) |
| 13:38.33 | directhex|work | and korean kid wannabes |
| 13:38.51 | markybob | lrojas, sweet. |
| 13:38.57 | markybob | !ask |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 13:38.58 | lrojas | so, if someone could take the time to walk me through the process, i will greatly apreciate it |
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| 13:39.18 | rob^ | lrojas, whats the problem exactly? |
| 13:39.31 | markybob | lrojas, walk you through the entire install process? you realize there are docs on debian.org that does just that? |
| 13:39.32 | goron | markybob: So in what kinds of environments does a wireless network work? Does your house need to be made of wood and blown away by the first storm to use wireless networking? |
| 13:39.38 | markybob | lrojas, or do you have a specific problem? |
| 13:39.41 | directhex|work | goron, yes! |
| 13:39.44 | lrojas | ok, trying to set up my nvidia card, the FAQ in the header of the channel is not helping |
| 13:39.56 | directhex|work | lrojas, what version of debian, what card |
| 13:40.03 | markybob | goron, pretty much. concrete messes up 802.11 pretty badly. |
| 13:40.23 | rob^ | lrojas, are you using the debian packages, or the nvidia .run file? |
| 13:40.32 | lrojas | Nvidia GeForce Ti 4600, Sarge, kernel 2.4.X |
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| 13:40.39 | lrojas | trying to use the deb packages |
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| 13:41.07 | markybob | goron, wooden walls are pretty common in the US ;) |
| 13:41.08 | MobyTurbo | lrojas: there are no Sarge nvidia packages |
| 13:41.11 | lrojas | kenel 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:41.16 | lrojas | hmmm |
| 13:41.20 | markybob | goron, thank God we generally have a good sprinkler system. |
| 13:41.21 | goron | markybob: I know, sorry for insulting you ;) |
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| 13:41.37 | Ragan | lrojas, download the driver from nvidia.com |
| 13:41.50 | lrojas | i was under the impression that installing sarge netboot was equivalent to installing testing |
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| 13:41.58 | MobyTurbo | lrojas: I use the driver from nvidia.com too. |
| 13:42.07 | lrojas | ok |
| 13:42.13 | rob^ | lrojas, make sure you have the kernel-header package for your kernel installed before you run the .run driver too |
| 13:42.14 | goron | Can't we use change the laws of physics locally? |
| 13:42.19 | directhex|work | the method in nvidia one-liner works _PERFECTLY_ |
| 13:42.20 | SonnyChiba | Is there any tool to create reports about usage of folders? I mean, i'd like to know how my fileserver is used, how files are distributed mp3/php/zip, if there are many files recently modified or not and so on... |
| 13:42.25 | rob^ | or the source |
| 13:42.27 | markybob | goron, not an insult. i'm brazilian but live in the US ;) |
| 13:42.28 | mwilson | lrojas: I'd hope so, since Sarge *is* testing. |
| 13:42.29 | goron | use- > ust |
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| 13:42.31 | markybob | goron, heh. sorry, bud |
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| 13:42.37 | goron | ust-> just |
| 13:42.41 | directhex|work | lrojas, your problem is you run an obsoleted kernel. what cpu do you have? |
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| 13:42.50 | lrojas | Athlon XP |
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| 13:42.59 | rob^ | heh |
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| 13:43.04 | lrojas | is the kernel that got installed by default, how do i fix that? |
| 13:43.05 | directhex|work | lrojas, install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 and reboot. then try nvidia one-liner |
| 13:43.07 | BSD_ | Hello. I have a question: Can a commercial product use a BSD licensed library without mentioning the library's copyright holders in the product? |
| 13:43.11 | greycat | lrojas: uname -r |
| 13:43.17 | directhex|work | BSD_, read the license |
| 13:43.26 | directhex|work | <lrojas> kenel 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 13:43.40 | greycat | RC3 will be welcome. |
| 13:43.45 | directhex|work | YES. |
| 13:43.51 | directhex|work | isn't that due today? |
| 13:43.53 | markybob | goron, what's the netherlands like? one place i always wanted to go. have a job opening around your area? ;) |
| 13:43.54 | greycat | dunno |
| 13:43.55 | BSD_ | It clearly states that "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright.." |
| 13:43.57 | greycat | I didn't read DWN yet |
| 13:43.59 | lrojas | ok, hold on... |
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| 13:44.12 | lrojas | can i install that kernel from the beggining? |
| 13:44.20 | rob^ | BSD_, why wouldn't you want to include the licence? |
| 13:44.24 | directhex|work | lrojas, no, only in RC3, you got RC2 |
| 13:44.28 | rob^ | does it matter? |
| 13:44.30 | Ragan | lrojas, yeah, use linux26 when booting the inst cd |
| 13:44.42 | lrojas | *cries* |
| 13:44.43 | directhex|work | Ragan, wrong. hush. |
| 13:44.45 | stew | DWN says they are on schedule for rc3 today |
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| 13:45.03 | Ragan | directhex|work, uh, I did it |
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| 13:45.06 | lrojas | ok, i dont wanna use the 2.6 kernel since this partition i am using to run/test cedega |
| 13:45.12 | directhex|work | lrojas, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7, reboot. then you can listen and obey the nvidia one-liner factoid |
| 13:45.15 | lrojas | and they recomend no 2.6 kernel |
| 13:45.16 | rob^ | directhex|work, same |
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| 13:45.23 | BSD_ | mentioning the copyright holders anywhere else besides in that library is not acceptable to my employer |
| 13:45.24 | lrojas | ok |
| 13:45.24 | directhex|work | Ragan, linux26 will _NOT_ install 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 13:45.32 | Ragan | lrojas, ahh, right |
| 13:45.41 | markybob | what? you're serious? a wine gaming programming recommends against 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:45.45 | Ragan | directhex|work, ahh, right |
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| 13:45.52 | markybob | s/programming/program |
| 13:46.15 | scarynetworkguy | BSD_: What app are you talking about? |
| 13:46.20 | lrojas | markybob, yes is on their relase notes |
| 13:46.28 | markybob | lrojas, wow. that seriously surprises me. |
| 13:46.36 | BSD_ | net-snmp library |
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| 13:47.00 | directhex|work | 2.4 kernel scheduler is closer to windows than 2.6, helps some games |
| 13:47.16 | rob^ | hrh |
| 13:47.25 | rob^ | dam windows |
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| 13:48.02 | rob^ | cya all |
| 13:50.19 | lrojas | directhex|work, sorry to bother you with newbi questions, but.. since i need to reinstall debian anyhow ( i did a net install but then installed everything with apt and now is a bit of a mess ), is there a way to install this kernel from the get go? and what other sources do i need to add, i am pretty sure i downloaded the latetst cd image for sarge, so how come i have r2 ? |
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| 13:52.32 | mh_le_ | where can I find a deb for mplayer? |
| 13:52.38 | asg | mh_le_: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 13:52.39 | bob2 | !+mplayer |
| 13:52.39 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or 'cerkinfo'' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 13:53.08 | goron | markybob: I like the moderate climate. It's a pity that for the past eight years or so we haven't been able to scate on "natural" ice. The people are pretty down to earth. The Netherlands is getting a pet country of the US. Privacy is getting lesser and lesser all the time. And we have a Harry Potter like prime-minister. It's pretty hard to tell something in a few lines about my county, so it seems. For your second question:Well, I don't know about your qu |
| 13:53.09 | mh_le_ | asg: thanks |
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| 13:53.42 | greycat | dpkg, mplayer =~ s/'marillat' or 'cerkinfo''/<marillat> or <cerkinfo>/ |
| 13:53.42 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 13:53.46 | markybob | goron, heh :) |
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| 13:54.54 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.54 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.54 | goron | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#TOCNon-CopyleftedFreeSoftware for |
| 13:54.55 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.04 | bob2 | how useful |
| 13:55.13 | goron | How do I ask him about that last? |
| 13:55.17 | greycat | goron: you mean your prime minister is like Harry Potter, or like the buffoon adminsitrators in the Harry Potter novels? |
| 13:55.46 | markybob | greycat, i'm not exactly sure which would be worse. |
| 13:55.55 | jiyuu0 | what's the meaning Starting: MTA? |
| 13:55.59 | greycat | !mta |
| 13:55.59 | dpkg | methinks mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 13:56.03 | goron | greycat: His hair looks like that of Harry Potter's. Also he used the same parts of sentences over and over again. |
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| 13:56.18 | MobyTurbo | goron: what country is this? |
| 13:56.20 | jiyuu0 | dpkg, it's also slow loading it |
| 13:56.23 | jiyuu0 | on boot up |
| 13:56.26 | markybob | MobyTurbo, /whois goron ;) |
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| 13:56.45 | _fevel_ | is there bitcomet for debian?? |
| 13:56.46 | markybob | jiyuu0, , dpkg is a bot |
| 13:56.53 | goron | Like: "het is belangrijk om in de gaten te houden dat", which means "it's important to remember that".... |
| 13:56.58 | bob2 | _fevel_: maybe you could tell us what bitcomet is? |
| 13:56.59 | jiyuu0 | markybob, oic |
| 13:57.00 | markybob | jiyuu0, it sends system messages to the user. aka email about system events |
| 13:57.01 | MobyTurbo | markybob: or better yet /who so he doesn't get a CTCP request |
| 13:57.06 | jiyuu0 | not bad... bot can answer question |
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| 13:57.21 | jiyuu0 | markybob, it is nomal to be slow? |
| 13:57.23 | goron | But how do I ask dpkg about x windows trap? |
| 13:57.24 | markybob | jiyuu0, no. greycat told him to spit it out :) |
| 13:57.31 | asg | goron: /msg dpkg x windows trap |
| 13:57.33 | _fevel_ | a bittorrent client |
| 13:57.48 | jm_ | -fe;yes there is |
| 13:57.48 | _fevel_ | i only found azureus |
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| 13:58.03 | jiyuu0 | !mta |
| 13:58.03 | dpkg | from memory, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 13:58.08 | goron | asg: dpkg does not reply do that, because it's not in his database or whatever he has. |
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| 13:58.20 | asg | goron: yes, that appears to be the case. |
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| 14:06.42 | lrojas | back |
| 14:06.44 | lrojas | got propper kernel |
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| 14:07.31 | CosmoDad | I'm trying to X-Forward from an ssh server to my local system, but even though I switched X11Forwarding to "yes" on the server and used the "-X" switch with ssh my $DISPLAY won't be set.. any idea why? |
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| 14:07.46 | jm_ | CosmoDad: use ssh -vvv to find out |
| 14:07.55 | jm_ | CosmoDad: and /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 14:08.00 | greycat | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:08.03 | stew | CosmoDad: and /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 14:08.04 | jm_ | read about xauth |
| 14:08.04 | greycat | jm_: that won't help. |
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| 14:08.16 | jm_ | greycat: what won't ? |
| 14:08.18 | coll | to check a file for md5sum all i do is md5sum <filename> no? |
| 14:08.23 | greycat | running the ssh client in superverbose mode. |
| 14:08.32 | CosmoDad | ok let me try... |
| 14:08.35 | greycat | it's the SERVER that you need to run in debug mode, not the client |
| 14:08.46 | jm_ | yeah it will just tell you if it set it or not I think, but not give more info |
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| 14:09.05 | lrojas | directhex|work, you still on? |
| 14:09.22 | kaner | coll: *nod* |
| 14:09.39 | coll | yeah it was over just now, it takes forever :) |
| 14:09.47 | coll | i was thinking that maybe i was doing something wrong |
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| 14:10.53 | CosmoDad | hm I got "debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing." on the client-side, would that mean I cannot forward? |
| 14:11.20 | greycat | !sshx |
| 14:11.21 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 14:11.53 | ruzbeh | Hello everyone, I have a very big problem. Mozilla Firefox gets stuck if I try to view certain webpages, this happens very often, so I'm like 'ok, fine, i'll use Mozilla Browser, it's basically the same', so I apt-get mozilla web browser to find out that it also gets stuck when i view certain webpages and it also happens very often. I'm on Debian Sarge with XFCE 4.2.1 and XFree 4.3.0 |
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| 14:12.20 | CosmoDad | greycat: I don't got that help: will sshx install xauth, enable X11Forwarding etc. for me? |
| 14:12.26 | greycat | ruzbeh: what page? how about konqueror? |
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| 14:12.37 | ruzbeh | greycat, lots of webpages, lots |
| 14:12.46 | CosmoDad | greycat: that sentence of dpkg is somewhat confusing |
| 14:12.58 | ruzbeh | greycat, i used tot think its a webpage problem but there's definately something wrong with my systen |
| 14:13.24 | debian | ruzbeh: specifically? |
| 14:13.30 | CosmoDad | I'm all relaxed buddy, can't see where I'm upset at all.. |
| 14:13.41 | greycat | not you. ME. |
| 14:13.44 | ruzbeh | debian, www.tweakers.net, gathering.tweakers.net, uhmm and some more lets see |
| 14:13.53 | CosmoDad | I see |
| 14:14.04 | greycat | your reading comprehension is at a record low today? or are you *always* that dense? |
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| 14:14.54 | debian | ruzbeh: is there somewhere less naughty? |
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| 14:15.07 | ruzbeh | debian, what do you mean? |
| 14:15.15 | debiannewbie | hi everyone.... |
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| 14:15.43 | debian | ruzbeh: j/k |
| 14:15.47 | smelly_socks | ruzbeh: stop looking at pr0n from work then ;) |
| 14:15.49 | debian | ruzbeh: seems alright to me |
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| 14:16.16 | debiannewbie | question for ya-- just installed debian last nite..woohoo...but problem when i tried booting it for the first time: VFS: cannot open root device 901or block (9,1)...please append connect root = as boot option... |
| 14:16.20 | debiannewbie | any ideas on this one? |
| 14:16.28 | ruzbeh | smelly_socks, what does pr0n have to do with it ;) |
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| 14:16.35 | debiannewbie | ruzbeh-- you administering a debian machine at work? |
| 14:16.45 | CosmoDad | greycat: I took sshx for a package like sux, but n/m, I got it my now |
| 14:16.46 | ruzbeh | debiannewbie, no |
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| 14:19.06 | pluto | cococola |
| 14:19.30 | Rawplayer | k |
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| 14:20.03 | debiannewbie | any ideas what do to when you get this error message "ccannont open root device "901" |
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| 14:20.51 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:20.59 | debiannewbie | sorensen: yup i did.... |
| 14:21.02 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: and was it actually 901 not 801? |
| 14:21.05 | greycat | debiannewbie: boot the WORKING one. |
| 14:21.12 | debiannewbie | do you think i forgot to include some drivers or something? yah it is 901..positive |
| 14:21.15 | greycat | then delete your BROKEN one. |
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| 14:21.22 | markybob | debiannewbie, yes. listen to greycat |
| 14:21.27 | greycat | crw-rw---- 1 root tape 9, 1 Jul 5 2000 st1 |
| 14:21.40 | greycat | That's a really nifty trick. Telling your kernel to boot from the second SCSI tape. |
| 14:21.46 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: well that generally means, read the messages you got while booting to make sure that: a) the disk controller driver loader, b) the disk was located, c) the filesystem on / was available so it mounted / |
| 14:21.57 | greycat | oh wait, that's char device. |
| 14:22.05 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: it sounds like can't find device, which would be: you left out the ide driver |
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| 14:22.10 | greycat | I don't see any block devices with 9,1 |
| 14:22.23 | debiannewbie | sorensen: but all my drives (except for the cd) are sata drives... |
| 14:22.37 | greycat | oh, sarge has one. |
| 14:22.38 | greycat | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 1 Jul 22 2004 md1 |
| 14:22.38 | debiannewbie | it said correct root= boot option |
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| 14:23.38 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: what the heck is your root device? |
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| 14:23.41 | debiannewbie | greycat: when you say boot from the working one...what do you mean exactly? because what i did is i had a new system...new drives that i wanted in raid..so i had a knoppix cd..and did everything from their (partitioning wise) and then deboostraped debian and chroot'ed...know what i mean? |
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| 14:24.20 | ruzbeh | so i installed gnome, but i completely forgot how to start it -_- can anyone help? |
| 14:24.23 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: well if you run md for / you need md support compilied in and to pass the right options to create the md device, or you need to use an initrd (which is what debian kernels do) to setup the md device before mounting root |
| 14:24.25 | greycat | !starting gnome |
| 14:24.25 | dpkg | i heard starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession |
| 14:24.34 | ruzbeh | i knew it, thanks |
| 14:24.57 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: well using knoppix is not a supported install method, and debootstrap doesn't do anything to make sure the system is bootable. that is a user problem with using debootstrap |
| 14:25.20 | LSorensen | debiannewbie: the sarge installer does support setting up md devices |
| 14:25.27 | greycat | !d-i |
| 14:25.27 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:25.29 | SlayerXP | LSorensen: *tsk* next you'll be saying that knoppix isn't debian |
| 14:25.39 | LSorensen | SlayerXP: and I would be right |
| 14:25.43 | lrojas | sorry to be a pest, i am trying to install the nvidia drivers on debian, but the nvidia installer tells me i am in X ( wich is true ), and to quit X before continue, now i tried to do <CTRL>+<ALT>+<BckSPC>, but it just went to gdm, any idea how to stop x and gdm so that i can be in the console and install the drivers? |
| 14:25.53 | LSorensen | SlayerXP: I wouold be wrong if I said it wasn't debian based |
| 14:25.58 | SlayerXP | LSorensen: oh yes, good point., |
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| 14:26.06 | LSorensen | lrojas: use the debian nvidia packages |
| 14:26.08 | directhex|work | lrojas, why are you using nvidia-installer? you trying to kill your system? |
| 14:26.09 | SlayerXP | lrojas: ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 14:26.29 | LSorensen | lrojas: running 3rd party installers is an insanity that microsoft unfortunately has brainwashed people into thinking is ok |
| 14:26.32 | sunbx | ok i install my machine. i add new linux partition and everything i say in there its says: invalid argument. now what is that supose to mean ? |
| 14:26.33 | sunbx | :) |
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| 14:26.45 | kaner | lrojas: the nvidia installer is alright |
| 14:26.47 | lrojas | directhex|work, well, when i follow the steps in the FAQ, it tells me there is no nvidia packages |
| 14:27.08 | greycat | lrojas: did you add contrib to your sources? |
| 14:27.14 | lrojas | hmmm |
| 14:27.25 | lrojas | how do i do that? |
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| 14:27.40 | lrojas | sorry if i am green |
| 14:27.53 | directhex|work | fucking fucking fuck. how can people say "it doesn't work" when it's written IN BLOODY BLACK & WHITE |
| 14:28.07 | xk | !doesn't work |
| 14:28.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:28.09 | directhex|work | christ, i'm gonna have to start quoting a mockney british tv chef r.e. following recipes out of order |
| 14:28.12 | LSorensen | lrojas: read this: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 14:28.19 | ruzbeh | I'm wondering if someone can help me again, I need help really bad. My system is completely messed (Debian Sarge). Gnome doesn't want to start. I see the nice Debian startup thing GDM thing y'know but it doens't work. No Gnome apps are starting, no errors, nothing. It just hangs. In XFCE, when i try to start Gedit or Nautilus, they will sort of execute but nothing will happen, not even a lil rattle on the hard drive or some message printed out in |
| 14:28.26 | directhex|work | !tell lrojas about non-free sources |
| 14:28.26 | LSorensen | lrojas: every single step of it. don't skip any |
| 14:28.33 | directhex|work | !tell lrojas about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 14:28.34 | SlayerXP | lrojas: as a famous frog once sang "it ain't easy being green" |
| 14:28.37 | directhex|work | !tell lrojas about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:28.37 | LSorensen | lrojas: you should have it running in 5 minutes |
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| 14:29.04 | directhex|work | note the nvidia one-liner EXPLICITLY SAYS you need to follow the contrib/non-free and sid steps. if you missed them, you're not a beginner, you're an idiot |
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| 14:29.45 | directhex|work | LSorensen, that guide is largely obsolete |
| 14:29.59 | LSorensen | directhex|work: no it isn't |
| 14:30.07 | LSorensen | directhex|work: I update it regularly |
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| 14:30.26 | directhex|work | LSorensen, what does 'apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-common' say? |
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| 14:30.44 | ruzbeh | I'm thinking my problem has something to do with X (Xfree 4.3.0.1), what do you guys think? |
| 14:30.50 | LSorensen | directhex|work: what the heck is apt-cache policy. I should check that one |
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| 14:31.21 | LSorensen | directhex|work: I see nothing special in that |
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| 14:31.38 | directhex|work | LSorensen, yes, you should. sarge no longer contains nvidia drivers, EXCEPT for nvidia-kernel-common, which is version 6629. sid contains the lot, on 7167. you will run into problems blindly not using -t unstable |
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| 14:32.38 | LSorensen | directhex|work: hmm, well that command did not show that. |
| 14:32.45 | directhex|work | LSorensen, what did it show? |
| 14:32.47 | LSorensen | directhex|work: I will have to go update the info on that. |
| 14:32.58 | LSorensen | directhex|work: just which versions of nvidia-kernel-common are in sid and sarge |
| 14:32.59 | directhex|work | !tell LSorensen about nvidia one-liner |
| 14:33.03 | LSorensen | directhex|work: doesn't tell anything about the other things |
| 14:33.16 | lrojas | man, whou would have thought that installing the most popular and free OS would start such a war. |
| 14:33.41 | asg | lrojas: that's not a war, just a minor skirmish |
| 14:33.47 | directhex|work | LSorensen, yes, but nvidia-kernel-common is the ONLY nvidia package in sarge. if you simply add sid sources & set sarge as default, then installing nvidia will fail due to the version mismatch. you MUST install with sid sources and -t unstable throughout |
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| 14:34.06 | Coke | there's a war? |
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| 14:34.13 | xk | !start a war |
| 14:34.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, start a war is GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 14:34.15 | greycat | Coke: yes. a War on War. |
| 14:34.33 | Coke | greycat: that is going to be a main topic on the next republican convention |
| 14:34.36 | debiannewbie | mount: error while guessing filesystem type -- any idea why i am getting this? i get this when I try to mount my raid 1 drive from knoppix |
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| 14:34.56 | xk | debiannewbie: what are you typing. |
| 14:35.12 | debiannewbie | xk: mount /dev/md1 /target |
| 14:35.14 | greycat | xk: apparently he's trying for an extension on his +q |
| 14:35.28 | Ancillius | hi there, could someone please assist me deleting QoS from my system? ip says on eth0 qdisc. But if i try to remove any QoS via tc del dev eth0 root the response is RTNETLINK answers: Invaid argument. Whats wrong? |
| 14:35.52 | jmki | tc qdisc del dev eth0 root? |
| 14:35.57 | xk | Ancillius: heh. I messed around with QoS... it was such a pain in the ass, that I gave up. |
| 14:35.58 | greycat | !d-i debiannewbie |
| 14:36.11 | Ancillius | xk: thats why i want to get rid of it... |
| 14:36.14 | dpkg | debiannewbie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:36.37 | debiannewbie | dpkg: will do thanks..didnt know where i should go...thanks |
| 14:36.53 | xk | if linux had *bsd ip filter interface... now htat would be something... iptables is just junk. |
| 14:37.03 | directhex|work | it's good to see my factoids have risen from systematic deletion by ops to regular use |
| 14:37.16 | asg | xk: nobody is saying you can't use openbsd ;) |
| 14:37.20 | Coke | !tell debiannewbie about dpkg |
| 14:37.21 | greycat | directhex|work: maybe you finally made good ones? |
| 14:37.24 | mework | Hi. I have a problem detecting serial ports of netmos 9835 in kernel 2.6.9, modprobe parport_serial works fine in kernel 2.4.* but not 2.6.9 what can i do. is there an updated module to load |
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| 14:37.34 | bob2 | directhex|work: when were they ever systematically deleted? |
| 14:37.38 | Ancillius | okay, so how do I remove QoS from my system? |
| 14:37.41 | xk | asg: I hate *bsd tty... it's non-responsive. |
| 14:37.55 | bob2 | Ancillius: er, by default there isn't any special QoS rules |
| 14:37.55 | directhex|work | bob2, when i started adding them, mostly short descriptors for nondeb distros, pointing to their support areas |
| 14:38.13 | xk | asg: and it would make my 486 feel 2x as slow ;) |
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| 14:38.52 | Coke | mework: are you sure the module name is the same for 2.6 kernels? |
| 14:38.53 | asg | xk: eeep :) |
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| 14:39.17 | mrhemlock | I need help building perl from source, I will paste error in flood here is short version |
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| 14:39.30 | mrhemlock | Failed 3 test scripts out of 840, 99.64% okay. |
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| 14:39.36 | mrhemlock | ### Since not all tests were successful, you may want to run some of |
| 14:39.40 | Ancillius | bob2: well, i have a strange problem and am trying to blame it to QoS: If I have 100Mbit Connection to the Net I get download speeds approx. 20kb/s. Thats poor, BUT if i additionally transfer a file via LAN and SCP with 7MB/sec my transfer speed (e.g. apt-get install foo) speeds up to approx 3MB/sec (University LAN). |
| 14:39.51 | asg | mrhemlock: have you bothered to ask #perl? |
| 14:39.58 | xk | Ancillius: 100mbit to the net? I need some of that! |
| 14:40.09 | Coke | mrhemlock: apt-get install perl usualy does the trick |
| 14:40.28 | lrojas | directhex|work, could you clarify the [quick sid | sarge mix ] stuff? it says i houd duplicate my sarge lines and then one set replace sarge with sid, but my lines look like this : deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:40.37 | Ancillius | xk: actually my Port is just 100Mbit the line supports much more than 100Mbit... |
| 14:40.38 | bob2 | Ancillius: if you actually have 100mbit/s to the 'net, you need to increase your tcp window |
| 14:40.42 | bob2 | aiui |
| 14:40.44 | lrojas | s/houd/should |
| 14:40.48 | directhex|work | lrojas, testing == sarge, for the time being. |
| 14:40.56 | lrojas | ok |
| 14:41.07 | Ancillius | bob2: k, you got me looking dumb at the screen... how do i do that? |
| 14:41.17 | lrojas | i should duplicate all 3 lines right? |
| 14:41.26 | Coke | lrojas: if you don't know how to setup apt properly you should stay the hell away from sid. :) |
| 14:41.26 | directhex|work | lrojas, the two that aren't security |
| 14:41.41 | directhex|work | Coke, this is what APT::Default-Release "testing"; is for |
| 14:41.50 | bob2 | Ancillius: it's an option in /proc, but I'm webless atm so yo'll have to google it yourself |
| 14:41.55 | Coke | directhex|work: what is that? |
| 14:42.11 | directhex|work | Coke, lets you have sid & sarge available, but uses sarge unless otherwise asked |
| 14:42.22 | directhex|work | Coke, i.e. apt-get install vs apt-gte install -t unstable |
| 14:42.27 | Ancillius | bob2: k, ill try. anyways... how do I get rid of any QoS support in my system? |
| 14:42.36 | bob2 | Ancillius: dude |
| 14:42.41 | Coke | directhex|work: I thought the order of the sources determined that. |
| 14:42.47 | bob2 | Ancillius: I'm 99.99% certain you're barking up the wrong tree |
| 14:42.55 | Coke | directhex|work: and I've always been able to do apt-get install package/version |
| 14:42.56 | bob2 | Ancillius: by default, it has no funny rules |
| 14:43.04 | bob2 | Ancillius: also, what kernel are you using? |
| 14:44.06 | Ancillius | bob 2.6.9 |
| 14:44.06 | Coke | directhex|work: but, I generally feel this is stupendous, because at one moment someone will install some unstable package that has dependencies to unstable versions of core libraries which will force many packages to be upgraded from testing to unstable. |
| 14:44.10 | Ancillius | bob2 2.6.9 |
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| 14:44.17 | jharrisonwk | im using 2993492.2384.2332 kernel |
| 14:44.18 | bob2 | Ancillius: oh, ok |
| 14:44.20 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 14:44.32 | Ancillius | bob2: again, *dummy mode on* :) |
| 14:44.34 | bob2 | Ancillius: earlier 2.6 ones had some whack tcp bug that did things like that, iirc |
| 14:44.41 | Coke | directhex|work: this kid doesn't eve know how to setup apt, he will be in a heap of problems sooner or later when using packages from unstable. |
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| 14:44.54 | Ancillius | bob2: is this solved anyhow in 2.6.11.5? |
| 14:45.13 | bob2 | Ancillius: I don't know when it was fixed |
| 14:45.21 | bob2 | Ancillius: 2.6.9 has security bugs anyway |
| 14:45.28 | xk | Ancillius: if it annoys you, why not try to upgrade? ;) |
| 14:45.45 | xk | if it still doesn't fix it, the problem lies elsewhere. |
| 14:45.50 | lrojas | :s |
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| 14:46.10 | Ancillius | xk: okay, thats an idea... even if i support the thesis, never touch a running system (if you do not have plenty of spare time). |
| 14:46.13 | directhex|work | Coke, he wants nvidia. nvidia is only in unstable. what do you propose? |
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| 14:46.29 | Coke | directhex|work: dl the nvidia installer and run only sarge. |
| 14:47.15 | directhex|work | Coke, nvidia-installer will fuck things up far worse than four packages from sid |
| 14:47.22 | Coke | directhex|work: nope. |
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| 14:47.28 | directhex|work | Coke, yes. |
| 14:47.30 | Coke | directhex|work: it doesn't mess anything up. |
| 14:47.35 | directhex|work | Coke, yes, it does. |
| 14:47.38 | fevel | if iwas to install sarge on a sata hd with win xp on /dev/hda1 do i have to do any special procedures |
| 14:47.38 | Coke | directhex|work: like what? |
| 14:47.41 | fevel | ? |
| 14:48.36 | directhex|work | Coke, it indiscriminantly overwrites files owned by assorted x packages. if you try to remove the nvidia driver, or update the x packages, then everything goes to hell. similarly, the default TLS setup is slightly bugged, and will cause system failure if you try to swap between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, in many cases |
| 14:49.05 | Coke | directhex|work: what? you are talking jibberish |
| 14:49.06 | greycat | fevel: if it's SATA, then windows might not actually *be* on hda1. |
| 14:49.10 | greycat | it might be on sda1 |
| 14:49.16 | greycat | depends on which linux kernel you use. |
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| 14:49.19 | fevel | yeah sorry |
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| 14:49.25 | xk | directhex|work: is the |work suffix on your nick necessary? |
| 14:49.36 | fevel | ill have to choose at the boot right?? |
| 14:49.41 | directhex|work | hate to say it, but 2.6 got it right with sata, it's moronic for one controller to use hd* and another to use sd*, 2.4 style |
| 14:49.43 | Coke | directhex|work: nvidia vs x stuff has been resolved and you CAN'T switch between kernels and use the same kernel module for them anyway |
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| 14:50.13 | fevel | a kernel compatible wih sata hds |
| 14:50.18 | Ancillius | is there a change history for the Kernel 2.6-series with ALL released stable versions? |
| 14:50.34 | greycat | Ancillius: what, like a *stable* software release? hahahahaha... |
| 14:50.38 | Coke | directhex|work: and even when the nvidia installer trashed the software glx stuff X was easily upgraded, all you had to remember was to run the nvidia installer again afterwards |
| 14:50.44 | kbrooks | I don't like havng to type dhclient eth0 after every booooot. What do I do? |
| 14:50.49 | kbrooks | boot* |
| 14:51.10 | cjavad | Is there any way to set schediling policy class for a pid from shell? |
| 14:51.21 | stew | kbrooks: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:51.23 | xk | Ancillius: yeah, if you're willing to read 7megs of changelog ;) |
| 14:51.29 | fevel | i installed lilo on a sata hd on mbr but it seemed that xp just ignored lilo |
| 14:51.31 | directhex|work | Coke, you take your route, i'll take mine. i will not advocate indiscriminant trashing of /usr with third paty installers. i avoid /usr/local most of the time when dealing with third party installers. if i wanted to bypass my package manager, i'd run slackware |
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| 14:52.02 | Ancillius | xk: in fact i am ;) |
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| 14:52.17 | lrojas | ok, nvidia-onliner finished... :s |
| 14:52.27 | Coke | directhex|work: we have dozens of "my sid packages are broken" people in here every day, for the most part the nvidia installer seems to work fine for the users. |
| 14:52.27 | xk | Ancillius: is your question asking the changes between kernels in the 2.6.x series... or difference between 2.4.x and 2.6.x? |
| 14:52.42 | Ancillius | xk: first choice. |
| 14:52.42 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 14:52.42 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 14:52.44 | greycat | !2.6 |
| 14:52.44 | dpkg | 2.6 is probably /msg dpkg kp, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6, or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 14:52.51 | mrhemlock | I am trying to build perl from sources i need to make info documents for help. here is how i do it "fakeroot apt-get -b source perl". Then it complains about a tty test failing, this a fake root Bug ? |
| 14:52.57 | directhex|work | Coke, the nvidia-installer messes are never reported in here, they go to #cedega, 'icculus.org, #linux-gamers.net, etc |
| 14:53.10 | xk | Ancillius: ok, my original answer is right... thought for a second that it could have been the latter. |
| 14:53.33 | Coke | directhex|work: I don't care if they go to those channels and complain, just trying to keep the heat of #debian. And noobs who cannot configure their own apt sources are not fit to run any part of sid. |
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| 14:53.45 | directhex|work | Coke, and you're having an anyeurism over FOUR PACKAGES which are only needed from unstable because the maintainer fucked up. |
| 14:53.47 | Coke | directhex|work: but, we can only recommend people, the choice is theirs to make |
| 14:53.57 | Ancillius | xk: in fact i am searching for change-issues from 2.6.9 to actual version regarding tcp or 8139too |
| 14:54.04 | Coke | directhex|work: I'm sure he won't install anything else that looks tempting. |
| 14:54.08 | directhex|work | Coke, you won, in this case. <lrojas> ok, nvidia-onliner finished... :s |
| 14:54.22 | Coke | directhex|work: it's not a contest. :) |
| 14:54.27 | lrojas | ?? |
| 14:54.30 | directhex|work | Coke, you made it one. |
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| 14:54.47 | directhex|work | Coke, and we have had several instances of nvidia installer afterbirth all over the channel. |
| 14:54.55 | xk | Ancillius: 8139... realtek eh? that's the worse card you can have. |
| 14:54.59 | Coke | directhex|work: but I'm honoured and would like to thank my family, friends, all those who supported me and Jesus; I could not have done this without the grace and mercy of god. God bless america! *big applause* |
| 14:55.01 | sintigan | how would i go about upgrading my kernel via apt-get? |
| 14:55.07 | kbrooks | xk, i have it |
| 14:55.09 | greycat | !rtl81x9.c |
| 14:55.09 | dpkg | methinks rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 14:55.09 | kbrooks | WFM |
| 14:55.17 | xk | hahahah |
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| 14:55.35 | Ancillius | xk: thats right, but i gonna have to live with that. its a notebook. |
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| 14:55.44 | kbrooks | greycat, the 8139 works for me |
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| 14:55.51 | greycat | they put an rtl8139 in a LAPTOP?! |
| 14:55.53 | greycat | my god. |
| 14:55.54 | F1_2004 | Hi everyOne |
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| 14:56.04 | xk | Ancillius: p4 laptop? |
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| 14:56.15 | Ancillius | xk: like of... centrino. |
| 14:56.24 | greycat | "well, we have plenty of CPU power to spare, so we can put this shitty NIC in! they'll never notice..." |
| 14:56.26 | F1_2004 | I'm new to debian (i used Mandrake) I need Help installing packages |
| 14:56.27 | xk | well.. centrino means nothing if you have a realtek. |
| 14:56.46 | greycat | "hey, he'll probably just use the wireless anyway, right?" |
| 14:56.47 | xk | and I don't care for marketing crap. |
| 14:56.54 | directhex|work | pretty sure the centrino spec doesn't cover wired networking requirements |
| 14:57.08 | bob2 | hm, I thought the e1000 was in the chipset |
| 14:57.11 | xk | directhex|work: hrm... I didn't realize that. |
| 14:57.11 | e2e | F1_2004: What do you want to do? use "apt-get install package_name" for installing a package from the net |
| 14:57.16 | Ancillius | xk: you wanted to know the processer didnt ya? ;) And wireless is fine for surfing, but i hate to download with merely 400kb/s |
| 14:57.23 | F1_2004 | I need to install the kernel source ...what's the name of the pack? |
| 14:57.25 | greycat | I guess I should be glad there's a NIC *at all*. Many older laptops require a PCMCIA card to get on the network *shudder* |
| 14:57.32 | bob2 | ick |
| 14:57.34 | greycat | F1_2004: I guess you're an idiot. |
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| 14:57.41 | greycat | Now can we stop playing guessing games? |
| 14:57.44 | e2e | F1_2004: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 14:57.45 | bob2 | F1_2004: why do you need it? |
| 14:57.53 | xk | Ancillius: so it's just wired that is causing problems for you? |
| 14:57.59 | F1_2004 | to installa nvidia driver |
| 14:58.04 | bob2 | *sigh* |
| 14:58.05 | p2-mate | greycat: welcome to the PC world, we save every dollar cent :P |
| 14:58.05 | Ancillius | xk: yes |
| 14:58.33 | bob2 | F1_2004: so, why didn't you say that? |
| 14:58.33 | xk | Ancillius: if so. then I'd blame the realtek 99%. I hate realtek with a passion. |
| 14:58.33 | greycat | Ancillius: I'll take your 400 kB/s (assuming you mean kiloBYTES) |
| 14:58.33 | bob2 | F1_2004: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 14:58.40 | xk | greycat: I'll take if it he meant KiB :) |
| 14:58.46 | lrojas | after i finish the nvidia one liner, whats the next step? |
| 14:58.47 | greycat | bob2: what, actually *ask what they want the answer to*? My god! What a concept! |
| 14:59.04 | Ancillius | greycat: i do, but trust me... i you get used to download with 3MB/s youll start to hate it to do that wireless... |
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| 14:59.30 | greycat | Ancillius: I'm on a 512/256 kbps DSL. That's b, as in bits. Not B as in Bytes but typed in lowercase by a moron. |
| 14:59.33 | xk | Ancillius: 11mbps or 54mbps? base station close by? |
| 14:59.55 | bob2 | hm, even I have 1.5/256 |
| 14:59.56 | Anders1 | (when) will php5 be packaged? |
| 15:00.02 | lrojas | directhex|work, after i finish the nvidia one liner instructions, whats the next step ? |
| 15:00.04 | bob2 | Anders1: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 15:00.06 | xk | bob2: i have that. 256k up is crap. |
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| 15:00.10 | bob2 | when it stops sucking, afaik |
| 15:00.16 | possie | a lib ending on .a is a static lib ? |
| 15:00.25 | bob2 | xk: yeah |
| 15:00.26 | kbrooks | !debian faq |
| 15:00.27 | dpkg | it has been said that debian faq is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ |
| 15:00.29 | bob2 | possie: yes |
| 15:00.30 | greycat | possie: should be. usually. |
| 15:00.33 | xk | bob2: you're in .au? |
| 15:00.35 | Ancillius | xk: the erm... whats it called... access point? Runs both. 11 and 54. I am on 54, but our BOFH said, this wouldnt speed up things as long the AP is set to support 11 AND 54.. |
| 15:00.37 | bob2 | xk: yeah |
| 15:00.46 | hypno | hrm how can i make mailman take mail from group debian-exim istead of deamon as it expects |
| 15:00.49 | bob2 | xk: for some reason all our DSL plans are big on the A |
| 15:00.53 | Anders1 | will there be any official php5 packages? |
| 15:01.00 | bob2 | 1.5/256, 512/128, 256/64 |
| 15:01.04 | bob2 | Anders1: yes |
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| 15:01.13 | xk | bob2: telstra the buggers. no iinet dslams in your area? |
| 15:01.20 | bob2 | xk: not yet |
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| 15:01.58 | Anders1 | also - last question: will Debian use xorg ? |
| 15:02.14 | greycat | Anders1: /topic |
| 15:02.17 | bob2 | Anders1: please read the topic |
| 15:02.20 | Anders1 | oh sorry |
| 15:02.25 | bob2 | (yes) |
| 15:02.33 | Anders1 | yes |
| 15:03.56 | greycat | sure |
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| 15:04.02 | greycat | !listkeys license |
| 15:04.03 | kbrooks | kk |
| 15:04.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'license' by key (7): bsd license ;; start a license war ;; mplayer license ;; license ;; stinky public licenses ;; xfree license ;; be license barbie. |
| 15:04.10 | greycat | !xfree license |
| 15:04.10 | dpkg | ask me about x in debian |
| 15:04.14 | greycat | what the hell. |
| 15:04.30 | bob2 | it's in the XSD FAQ, anyway |
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| 15:04.39 | kbrooks | xsd? |
| 15:04.41 | kbrooks | !xsd |
| 15:04.52 | bob2 | XSF |
| 15:04.53 | greycat | maybe a typo for XSF |
| 15:05.02 | greycat | !xfaq |
| 15:05.02 | dpkg | i guess xfaq is the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
| 15:05.02 | bob2 | typing with dead arms |
| 15:05.25 | greycat | kbrooks: please start with "dpkg, no, xfree license is ..." |
| 15:05.54 | greycat | dpkg, no, x in debian is <reply> see xfaq |
| 15:05.54 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 15:06.23 | sintigan | irc.anomalous-security.org |
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| 15:08.13 | lish_ | i want to know why i can see but only can see 2 pc in my samba's workgroup |
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| 15:09.00 | greycat | sounds like a #samba question |
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| 15:09.31 | lish_ | ... i feel sorry |
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| 15:09.36 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 15:09.58 | lish_ | i am using debian... i love Debian and if i have some questions i will go to Debian's irc |
| 15:10.36 | FieldySnuts | great reasoning. |
| 15:10.39 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
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| 15:10.43 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 15:10.48 | lish_ | ;-) |
| 15:10.57 | kbrooks | :| |
| 15:11.02 | lrojas | directhex|work, can you please help me a bit more? |
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| 15:12.10 | lrojas | i am trying to activate the nvidia driver, i followed all the steps you pointed out, but still i cant configure it. |
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| 15:12.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump Phated |
| 15:12.37 | Phated | o.O |
| 15:12.42 | FieldySnuts | it sure likes the jimi hendrix ending |
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| 15:12.45 | lish_ | can the people using samba tell the the reason ? or a samba 's channel |
| 15:12.56 | FieldySnuts | lish_: <greycat> sounds like a #samba question |
| 15:13.09 | lish_ | i will try |
| 15:13.12 | F1_2004 | Hi everyone! greycat MENTECATTO!!! |
| 15:13.13 | FieldySnuts | lish_: samba also has mailing lists where you might be able to get help |
| 15:13.24 | FieldySnuts | greycat: look slike you have a friend |
| 15:14.02 | lish_ | i have not use mail list , i will try. |
| 15:14.10 | F1_2004 | remember : <greycat> F1_2004: I guess you're an idiot. |
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| 15:14.42 | FieldySnuts | great. a re-troll |
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| 15:15.13 | FieldySnuts | F1_2004: if you weren't an idiot, I bet you wouldn't be feeling so defensive. |
| 15:15.35 | F1_2004 | ?? |
| 15:15.51 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
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| 15:16.37 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you can see now that I was not unjust. |
| 15:16.39 | polytopes | Is there anyway to use NIS/YP with bootcd to make a live CD that uses NIS? |
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| 15:16.58 | greycat | !possilbe |
| 15:17.00 | greycat | !possible |
| 15:17.00 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 15:17.10 | lewis | greycat: howdy again |
| 15:17.10 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i figured when he joined, you just sort of get a feeling for morons |
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| 15:18.22 | RichiH | smaug9: you can use ghost to kill old connections |
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| 15:18.59 | lewis | the HUNK Failed only applied to two files within my source tree. Looking at the .rej files, one of the failed hunk failed was easily fixable, though the others vary by quite a large degree. Since the patch is for my kernel (2.4.27), what would you suggest doing? |
| 15:19.01 | polytopes | Using the bootcd package to make a Live CD the correct files from /var/yp do not get put in the /var on the live CD. They are in /var.ro, but I'm trying to find a way to have the file /var/yp/nicknames exist in /var/yp on the live CD. Is this possible? |
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| 15:19.27 | FieldySnuts | if HUNKS fail, the patch is screwed and/or the source you're trying to patch is screwed. no easy way around that |
| 15:19.50 | sessiz | is away -( We can be lovers again.. We can find friendship once more.. We can do anything we want.. Now that the healing's DONE.. We can be lovers again.. )- at 05:20p -( P:Aįýk / L:Aįýk )- |
| 15:19.57 | greycat | FieldySnuts: he's trying to apply a patch for kernel X to kernel Y. |
| 15:20.00 | FieldySnuts | @lart sessiz |
| 15:20.17 | FieldySnuts | odd. never had problems patching that way |
| 15:20.21 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I told him multiple times *not* to even attempt such a thing, or to consult with people who actually hack kernels and know what the hell they're doing. |
| 15:20.40 | lewis | who would be a good person to talk to about this? |
| 15:20.42 | FieldySnuts | wait, he's trying to apply a patch to a kernel, and that patch is for something earlier? |
| 15:20.43 | greycat | !tell sessiz about away |
| 15:20.46 | greycat | lewis: LKML |
| 15:20.56 | greycat | lewis: or the maintainer of this silly patch of yours |
| 15:21.11 | greycat | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 15:21.16 | FieldySnuts | well no shit it won't work. |
| 15:21.22 | sessiz | bbl. |
| 15:21.24 | sessiz | :)) |
| 15:21.36 | FieldySnuts | the patch has to be for the *exact* version you have, not close, but exact. |
| 15:21.43 | FieldySnuts | wasting your time if they don't match |
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| 15:21.53 | greycat | wasting our time, unfortunately. |
| 15:21.53 | Gumby | has anyone in here used dvdshrink in debian? apparantly there used to be a deb for it at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ but it doesnt seem to exist any longer |
| 15:21.57 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 15:22.04 | lewis | FieldySnuts: trying to patch a kernel 2.4.27 - the patch is for that version, and my source is that version |
| 15:22.07 | FieldySnuts | figures, annoying mirc script |
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| 15:22.20 | greycat | lewis: DEBIAN 2.4.27 or UPSTREAM 2.4.27? |
| 15:22.22 | greycat | they're not the same. |
| 15:22.39 | lewis | oh |
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| 15:22.47 | FieldySnuts | that'd certainly do it, every patch i've seen assumes vanilla (right from kernel.org) sources and nothing else |
| 15:23.05 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 15:23.05 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 15:23.19 | greycat | Debian == "the distributor" |
| 15:23.22 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.24 | xk | Linux porsche 2.6.9 #2 Fri Oct 29 06:05:41 ADT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:23.27 | xk | how's that for stability. |
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| 15:23.44 | greycat | high uptime means you probably have an unpatched kernel security bug |
| 15:23.50 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 15:23.52 | goron | Are there drivers for realtek 7.1 sound? |
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| 15:24.07 | greycat | goron: ask #alsa |
| 15:24.15 | FieldySnuts | up 1:02, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05 |
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| 15:24.20 | FieldySnuts | don't need to keep this system up much anymore :D |
| 15:24.25 | greycat | unfortunately, low uptime doesn't necessarily mean the opposite :) |
| 15:24.29 | xk | lol |
| 15:24.29 | RichiH | greycat: haha |
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| 15:24.41 | RichiH | greycat: but yes, i think the same about high uptimes :) |
| 15:24.47 | FieldySnuts | true |
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| 15:25.03 | RichiH | unless you are running 2.2 ;) |
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| 15:25.13 | ricky_clarkson | If you have a computer and a gateway (a computer with two IPs), no routes set up, but the wire is plugged in to the wrong card.. |
| 15:25.13 | greycat | or 2.0 |
| 15:25.22 | ricky_clarkson | So you have something.1.1 connected to a hub, something.2.1 connected to the hub, and something.1.2 on the other side of the gateway.. |
| 15:25.24 | xk | crank 1.2.13 |
| 15:25.26 | ricky_clarkson | What should happen if 1.1 pings 1.2? Packets dropped or host unreachable? |
| 15:25.35 | sphere | you'd be hardpressed to find scriptkiddy style exploits for 2.0 kernels |
| 15:25.41 | directhex|work | ARGH. it's only when you USE a nondeb distro you realise how much they SUCK |
| 15:25.42 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: depends on the subnet mask |
| 15:25.48 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:25.49 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: the latter, i think |
| 15:25.53 | FieldySnuts | dropped, probably unreach as well |
| 15:26.01 | greycat | directhex|work: no, I realize it quite nicely just seeing the questions their users raise. |
| 15:26.19 | ricky_clarkson | Host unreachable is an ICMP packet that comes from somewhere, so you can't get both packets dropped and host unreachable afaik. |
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| 15:26.34 | FieldySnuts | it comes from your next hop, or local machine if that doesn't exist |
| 15:26.35 | RichiH | speaking of which, does anyone know what debian will do with the 2.6.x.y kernels? will it just pass the trivial .y changes along rather fast once the 2.6.x is in sid? |
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| 15:26.56 | directhex|work | greycat, trying to get along with a RHEL clone. how complex can 'apt-get install libgimp-perl' be made? :| |
| 15:27.04 | ricky_clarkson | I think the behaviour we've seen (about to test it out myself) is that the gateway takes in the ARP packet, and replies down the WRONG network. |
| 15:27.13 | FieldySnuts | the patch from 2.6.11 to 2.6.11.5 is 7K. now that must be some major changes. |
| 15:27.26 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: what! |
| 15:27.27 | ricky_clarkson | This would seem impossible if ARP was implemented in the Ethernet card module. |
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| 15:27.32 | FieldySnuts | the initial arp who-is is a broadcast |
| 15:27.37 | FieldySnuts | it's not going to get anywhere |
| 15:27.41 | RichiH | lius said only <100 lines would be acceptable |
| 15:27.44 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: But only on the local network. |
| 15:27.46 | RichiH | linus* |
| 15:27.48 | greycat | RichiH: didn't you hear about the new linux kernel numbering scheme? |
| 15:27.52 | greycat | they've gone to 4 digits now |
| 15:28.01 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: actually the subnet it originates from |
| 15:28.04 | RichiH | greycat: yes, i did, that's why i asked my initial question :) |
| 15:28.09 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Same thing. |
| 15:28.18 | greycat | RichiH: 7k includes the context |
| 15:28.20 | FieldySnuts | it's not going to cross subnets I don't think unless you have certain options. i'm also sick, so I might actually be thingking dhcp |
| 15:28.24 | greycat | RichiH: and it's 5 of them put together |
| 15:28.31 | lish_ | such a pity! ~ nobody speak to me :-( |
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| 15:28.50 | ricky_clarkson | !speak to lish_ |
| 15:28.52 | FieldySnuts | lish_: come on you can troll better |
| 15:28.54 | RichiH | greycat: but i also know linus and the sucker who maintains .y releases agreed on _trivial_ patches which are ovbiously save and do not pose _any_ potential problem |
| 15:29.02 | RichiH | greycat: true |
| 15:29.54 | RichiH | greycat: .6->.7 includes 5 patches? from what i read on the lkml archives, only one patch per mini-mini-minor number. but oh well :) |
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| 15:30.13 | greycat | FieldySnuts: she said "from 2.6.11 to 2.6.11.5" |
| 15:30.13 | lish_ | FieldySnuts, your words are hard to understand for the hard word..... |
| 15:30.22 | mtnman | gothtec: have a nice vacation. |
| 15:30.26 | FieldySnuts | lish_: and I have no clue what you're saying, either |
| 15:30.49 | jharrisonwk | bumbaclot |
| 15:30.57 | xam | spamalot |
| 15:31.06 | lish_ | i entered #samba and nobody.... |
| 15:31.13 | FieldySnuts | bleh gotta go get my wrecked car dragged to my place, then decide what the hell to do with it (probably a "for sale as is whole" sign) |
| 15:31.14 | RichiH | greycat, FieldySnuts: oh, the 2.6.11 -> 2.6.11.5 patch. i thought .4->.5.. /me stupid |
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| 15:31.30 | ricky_clarkson | lish_: There are >50 in #samba |
| 15:31.30 | SlayerXP | we probably have .6 now |
| 15:31.32 | lish_ | I means your English is good |
| 15:31.39 | lish_ | yes, i know. |
| 15:31.41 | SlayerXP | it's been nearly one per day this week so far :) |
| 15:31.44 | lish_ | 67 |
| 15:31.48 | tomb0y | ssh: connect to address 192.168.1.2 port 22: No route to host how do i fix that ? |
| 15:31.55 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: if it still drives, use some polish on it etc. you can get a few hundred more for it, that way |
| 15:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | tomb0y: ping 192.168.1.2 |
| 15:32.01 | RichiH | that's what /me does with cars to sell |
| 15:32.16 | FieldySnuts | #samba is notorious for being useless |
| 15:32.25 | FieldySnuts | i'd try the mailing lists (I forget where they are, use google) |
| 15:32.28 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: unless TheBonsai is active |
| 15:32.30 | jharrisonwk | bumbaclot |
| 15:32.32 | ricky_clarkson | tomb0y: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:32.35 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: What? |
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| 15:32.41 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: nah not drivable at all, total loss |
| 15:32.43 | tomb0y | ricky_clarkson: doh stupid ip changed hah thanks lmao |
| 15:32.44 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: bumbaclot |
| 15:32.47 | kbrooks | lish_, nobody is responding because you are not being "helpful" |
| 15:32.48 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: oh |
| 15:32.52 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Why are you saying that? |
| 15:32.55 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: don't let them drag it to your place, then |
| 15:33.04 | greycat | kbrooks: perhaps you mean "helpable" |
| 15:33.04 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: i'll just wait for somebody to make a lame offer for it (engine/tranny runs fine, most of the body is ok) and just get rid of it |
| 15:33.08 | xam | !badgers |
| 15:33.08 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
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| 15:33.09 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: because im an island boy and im suppose to say that when im upset about something |
| 15:33.13 | kbrooks | lish_, help others help you |
| 15:33.14 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: i'm being charged 12 bucks a day, that's why I'm getting it out of there |
| 15:33.18 | lish_ | ah.... |
| 15:33.19 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Say it to /dev/null. |
| 15:33.27 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: good reason |
| 15:33.28 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: its kinda like saying oh shit! |
| 15:33.28 | lish_ | but,but,.... |
| 15:33.39 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: That's nothing, you should see the number of rabbits I get charged a day. |
| 15:33.46 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: you can get a dedicated server for much less :p |
| 15:33.47 | FieldySnuts | heh, lost me there |
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| 15:33.55 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: buck=male rabbit |
| 15:33.56 | kbrooks | lish_, join #samba and provide detailed info |
| 15:34.11 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I thought it was a male deer |
| 15:34.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump lish_ |
| 15:34.16 | jharrisonwk | !bumbaclot |
| 15:34.16 | dpkg | i guess bumbaclot is A cloth or rag used to wipe ones anal region. However, most Jamaicans use it as a substitute for the word f*ck to express anger or surprise. |
| 15:34.25 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 15:34.26 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Many things. |
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| 15:34.31 | yuber | hi |
| 15:34.32 | ricky_clarkson | !dict bumbaclot |
| 15:34.35 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 15:34.38 | FieldySnuts | is that a real word? |
| 15:34.41 | FieldySnuts | looks made up |
| 15:34.42 | yuber | where is the cpidrv module located in menuconfig in a 2.6.11.5?= |
| 15:34.42 | dpkg | could not find definition for bumbaclot |
| 15:34.46 | greycat | all words are made up. |
| 15:34.46 | FieldySnuts | guess not |
| 15:34.48 | jharrisonwk | it is in certain parts of the world |
| 15:34.49 | yuber | capidrv |
| 15:34.51 | yuber | (isdn) |
| 15:34.52 | greycat | some just more recently than others |
| 15:34.57 | FieldySnuts | greycat: true, i guess just some are accepted and others aren't |
| 15:34.57 | jharrisonwk | maybe not in yankieville |
| 15:34.59 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 15:35.08 | RichiH | greycat: most words are commonly accepted, though |
| 15:35.10 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:35.12 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 15:35.15 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: good one |
| 15:35.35 | ricky_clarkson | merci beaucoup, monsieur. |
| 15:35.49 | jharrisonwk | pa boom |
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| 15:36.53 | c00l | anyone know why kernel2.6 freezes on partition check? |
| 15:37.03 | FieldySnuts | it does? |
| 15:37.07 | c00l | Debian woody with kernel2.6 support |
| 15:37.08 | archpollux | for debian oo.org questions, is this the right channel? |
| 15:37.20 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-oo |
| 15:37.23 | ricky_clarkson | iirc |
| 15:37.25 | greycat | c00l: use sarge. woody with 2.6 is NOT supported. |
| 15:37.27 | archpollux | thanks |
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| 15:38.02 | honschu | greycat: You are hanging a lot of your time in IRC - aren't you? |
| 15:38.05 | xophEr | for viewing streaming media inside firefox what would you recommend? |
| 15:38.29 | lish_ | UNLESS I AM A HERO, I WONT COME BACK HERE! |
| 15:38.47 | honschu | xophEr: mplayer plugin? |
| 15:38.48 | zOap | xophEr, mplayer |
| 15:38.48 | jharrisonwk | xophEr: mplayer plugin |
| 15:38.53 | FieldySnuts | @stfu lish_ |
| 15:38.55 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP lish_! |
| 15:38.56 | zOap | :) |
| 15:38.59 | archpollux | xophEr: mplayer-mozilla |
| 15:39.05 | honschu | lol |
| 15:39.07 | c00l | greycat but i've updated the packages =( |
| 15:39.12 | xophEr | allright, thanks :) |
| 15:39.18 | jharrisonwk | ravenbird: you suck! |
| 15:39.19 | ravenbird | Dream on, jharrisonwk. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 15:39.23 | xam | cool, /ignore also works in chatzilla ... |
| 15:39.23 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:39.26 | jharrisonwk | bastard |
| 15:39.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:39.46 | ricky_clarkson | Would you want a raven's beak on your, erm, flesh? |
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| 15:39.54 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: of course not |
| 15:39.54 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 15:40.05 | ricky_clarkson | Right, well don't complain then. |
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| 15:40.12 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: blimey |
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| 15:40.37 | kbrooks | I don't log channels, so please forgive me if you think I am a idiot: What was the network that someone spammed? |
| 15:41.01 | jharrisonwk | someone spammed a network? |
| 15:41.03 | jharrisonwk | what else is new |
| 15:41.10 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: out of my buffer |
| 15:41.16 | kbrooks | hmmm, okay |
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| 15:41.24 | FieldySnuts | it was earlier, not now |
| 15:41.32 | FieldySnuts | one of those join, spam, quit wankers |
| 15:41.33 | kbrooks | okay |
| 15:41.40 | jharrisonwk | im actualy designing a tool that should make spammers think twice about finding a new line of work |
| 15:41.40 | kbrooks | i restarted xchat |
| 15:41.41 | greycat | kbrooks: 10:06 sintigan> irc.anomalous-security.org |
| 15:41.53 | kbrooks | greycat, thanks. :) |
| 15:42.06 | FieldySnuts | jharrisonwk: i hope it isn't along the lines of DoS attacks or other resource consuption, that's just as bad as they are |
| 15:42.14 | jharrisonwk | FieldySnuts: nope |
| 15:42.19 | FieldySnuts | that's good |
| 15:42.24 | FieldySnuts | people that come up with such things worry me |
| 15:42.32 | jharrisonwk | FieldySnuts: its a large plier like took that can be used for bodily torture of spammers |
| 15:42.38 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 15:42.40 | jharrisonwk | FieldySnuts: its quite easy on the networks |
| 15:42.55 | jharrisonwk | s/took/tool |
| 15:43.06 | jharrisonwk | man I never realized how 3 hours of sleepw ould affect my typing |
| 15:43.15 | zOap | Hmmm, I guess somebody forgot it's easter? I'm not believer but.... |
| 15:43.33 | jharrisonwk | im a believer |
| 15:43.46 | zOap | hallelujah |
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| 15:43.53 | jharrisonwk | zOap: thats right! |
| 15:43.56 | ricky_clarkson | Easter is a national festival, regardless of your faith, like Christmas. |
| 15:43.56 | lish_ | MOST OF YOU WILL BE GREEN LEAVES ! VERY GREEN ! |
| 15:44.00 | xam | jehova |
| 15:44.09 | jharrisonwk | green? |
| 15:44.09 | ricky_clarkson | I've already eaten an Easter Egg, and I'm an atheist. |
| 15:44.10 | xam | no stones, please |
| 15:44.13 | lish_ | I BELIEVE |
| 15:44.13 | RichiH | lish_: please shut up |
| 15:44.15 | FieldySnuts | greycat: can we +q lish_ , second time in a row he's used all caps (scroll up a bit) |
| 15:44.20 | zOap | I just think it was alot of bad ass talk in here today... |
| 15:44.24 | ningo | look at this nets website |
| 15:44.29 | ningo | a bunch of scriptkiddies |
| 15:44.35 | xam | asg: ouch! argll, too late |
| 15:44.37 | FieldySnuts | ningo: who do you care? |
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| 15:44.43 | FieldySnuts | s/who/why/ |
| 15:44.52 | ningo | well, i just checked :) |
| 15:44.57 | FieldySnuts | arggh matey |
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| 15:45.00 | lish_ | i want to see the peaple 's effect facing matters. |
| 15:45.12 | FieldySnuts | lish_: we don't even know what the hell you're saying |
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| 15:45.13 | xam | FieldySnuts: just ignore him |
| 15:45.18 | no-id | afternoon all |
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| 15:45.35 | FieldySnuts | no need now :D |
| 15:45.42 | greycat | Not for the caps. For the admission of trolling. |
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| 15:45.54 | FieldySnuts | oh, you could understand his speak? you are skilled, or insane |
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| 15:45.55 | xk | wonder how smart he is to evade that ;) |
| 15:46.06 | daffy-pkf | re |
| 15:46.09 | no-id | Can anyone suggest a web based resource monitoring tool ? besides cacti ? |
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| 15:46.14 | greycat | or at least, that's how I interpreted that "peaple 's effect" line |
| 15:46.17 | asg | no-id: nagios |
| 15:46.22 | kbrooks | What is the path to the run level script that controls bootup? |
| 15:46.34 | greycat | kbrooks: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:46.38 | kbrooks | ok |
| 15:46.43 | FieldySnuts | nagios is more for monitoring the state of devices and alerting you in various ways, cacti is much more for measuring, graphing plotting etc resources |
| 15:46.51 | xam | cool, even /unignore works in chatzilla ... |
| 15:47.01 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:47.03 | zOap | I just tried to translate what he said, I think I can be very unclear at times, but that was madness.. |
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| 15:47.14 | c00l | greycat sarge will be Debian 4.0? =) |
| 15:47.16 | no-id | I need for measuring and graphing. But cacti is very difficult to get working |
| 15:47.17 | FieldySnuts | those damn drunk samba users |
| 15:47.17 | SexyKen | Anyone know how the groups file work? |
| 15:47.17 | xam | bah |
| 15:47.18 | asg | c00l: 3.1 |
| 15:47.29 | jharrisonwk | c00l: 3.1 |
| 15:47.30 | c00l | asg nice |
| 15:47.36 | SexyKen | How do I add a user to a group? |
| 15:47.37 | asg | SexyKen: man 5 group |
| 15:47.40 | jharrisonwk | asg: a bit quick on the keys eh |
| 15:47.50 | asg | jharrisonwk: I've had less sleep than you |
| 15:47.53 | FieldySnuts | nagios is no easier, and not really what you want anyway (cacti does what you want much better) |
| 15:47.53 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: was it you who complained about bash globbing . and .. with .* a couple of days ago? |
| 15:48.03 | jharrisonwk | asg: you are trying to rub it in? |
| 15:48.13 | jharrisonwk | asg: um |
| 15:48.13 | xam | FieldySnuts: I always say: don't drink and dive! |
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| 15:48.29 | asg | jharrisonwk: hehe |
| 15:48.33 | xam | FieldySnuts: especially don't drink while diving |
| 15:48.37 | jharrisonwk | asg: I am able to faster then anyone with my pinky finger only! |
| 15:48.37 | no-id | FieldySnuts: is there a simplified version of cacti ? an alternative ? |
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| 15:48.45 | jharrisonwk | asg: type |
| 15:48.47 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 15:48.48 | lrojas | directhex|work, you still on? |
| 15:48.49 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 15:48.49 | ricky_clarkson | Do drink and dance. |
| 15:48.51 | jharrisonwk | I should jsut go to bed |
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| 15:48.56 | ricky_clarkson | wobbler: Can I throw you? |
| 15:49.01 | asg | jharrisonwk: I wish I could but I'm at work now. |
| 15:49.05 | FieldySnuts | not that I know of, doesn't need to be, pretty straight forward to me (other than setting up the f8ckin databases) |
| 15:49.07 | jharrisonwk | asg: me tooo |
| 15:49.07 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 15:49.19 | asg | jharrisonwk: only 5 hours to go |
| 15:49.22 | c00l | i'm downloading sarge-i386-netinst iso right now.. let's see how it is |
| 15:49.27 | jharrisonwk | asg: and I worked till 3am last night |
| 15:49.37 | asg | jharrisonwk: ouch, I just watched X-Files all night. |
| 15:49.43 | jharrisonwk | asg: :) |
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| 15:49.56 | jharrisonwk | asg: so you have no excuse because you could have gone to bed |
| 15:50.20 | asg | jharrisonwk: well, I was asleep on the couch but woke early and couldn't get back to sleep once the shows started. |
| 15:50.25 | wobbler | heh |
| 15:50.38 | jharrisonwk | asg: true |
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| 15:51.32 | directhex|work | ? |
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| 15:51.45 | quiet | is there a way to apt-get remove all of kde? |
| 15:51.51 | ali_ | hi |
| 15:51.53 | directhex|work | !remove kde |
| 15:51.53 | dpkg | well, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
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| 15:52.14 | quiet | thanks |
| 15:52.20 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmmmm Chicken2k |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | tastes like Chicken2k? |
| 15:52.38 | kbrooks | I want to put X on a different TTY |
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| 15:52.41 | Chicken2k | ^^ |
| 15:52.44 | greycat | kbrooks: startx -- :1 |
| 15:52.45 | jharrisonwk | greycat: smells like Chicken2k too |
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| 15:52.48 | Noid | where can i read about the new numbering policy for kernels? |
| 15:53.01 | jharrisonwk | Noid: on kernel.org? |
| 15:53.04 | Chicken2k | My Apache2 does not have suexec |
| 15:53.06 | kbrooks | greycat, and that will put X on tty8? |
| 15:53.09 | asg | Noid: kerneltrap has the treads |
| 15:53.12 | ali_ | I've got a small problem with lvm and sata. When the machine boots it can't setup the lvm. When we do this command (nothing else!) `cfdisk /dev/sda` then we are able to setup the lvm. What could be wrong ? |
| 15:53.13 | morbius | how do i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/8054 |
| 15:53.19 | Chicken2k | is there a packages that provides suexec? |
| 15:53.23 | jharrisonwk | asg: yeah kerneltrap |
| 15:53.25 | Chicken2k | I haven't find one yet |
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| 15:53.39 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmm Chicken2k |
| 15:53.45 | Noid | doh, thanks |
| 15:54.12 | asg | morbius: check the bts |
| 15:54.15 | morbius | bts? |
| 15:54.18 | asg | !bts |
| 15:54.19 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:54.22 | morbius | ty |
| 15:54.30 | FieldySnuts | @eat jharrisonwk |
| 15:54.32 | greycat | zgrep -i suexec /usr/share/doc/apache/* |
| 15:54.34 | greycat | lots of results. |
| 15:54.40 | kbrooks | greycat, wil the command you posted put X on tty8? |
| 15:54.44 | FieldySnuts | oops i'm not here! |
| 15:55.45 | ali_ | It's very strange, we need some guru's on this .. :( |
| 15:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | Some guru's what? |
| 15:55.58 | c00l | is there a way to change tty inside PuTTy? |
| 15:56.29 | ali_ | ricky_clarkson: "I've got a small problem with lvm and sata. When the machine boots it can't setup the lvm. When we do this command (nothing else!) `cfdisk /dev/sda` then we are able to setup the lvm. What could be wrong ?" |
| 15:56.31 | yuber | i cant see the isdn cpidrv modul in menuconfig in the kernel source, knows anyone this problem? |
| 15:56.33 | jharrisonwk | ali_: what kind of sata chipset? |
| 15:56.36 | abrotman | asg: how far is greensboro from you? |
| 15:56.37 | yuber | need the capidrv |
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| 15:56.45 | grandpa | c00l: use screen |
| 15:56.47 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: promise |
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| 15:56.55 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: sata_promise module |
| 15:56.56 | eternity | what is the lib to use mysql on c? |
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| 15:57.02 | kbrooks | greycat, !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:57.05 | kbrooks | FUCK! |
| 15:57.09 | c00l | grandpa what? |
| 15:57.12 | jharrisonwk | ali_: are you using any promise raid stuff? |
| 15:57.19 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: I doubt that greycat's on the market for one. |
| 15:57.28 | grandpa | c00l: install the screen package |
| 15:57.29 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: We have disabled this. |
| 15:57.34 | eternity | what is the lib to use mysql on c? |
| 15:57.35 | jharrisonwk | ali_: ok good |
| 15:57.45 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: We were using it but it didn't went quite well ... |
| 15:58.04 | jharrisonwk | ali_: no because I believe there isnt a driver for the raid part of it |
| 15:58.08 | grandpa | c00l: then you can change screens using Alt+1, Alt+2 etc |
| 15:58.09 | takisd | hi guys, been digging on a way to change the way drives are allocated... ie from change reference of drive at /dev/hda to /dev/hdb... no luck so far... any ideas |
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| 15:58.31 | c00l | grandpa tks a lot! |
| 15:58.37 | grandpa | no problem |
| 15:58.39 | Evaso | hi anybody had this probelm with wine: Warning: the specified Windows directory L"C:\\Windows" is not accessible. |
| 15:58.39 | Evaso | Warning: the specified System directory L"C:\\Windows\\System" is not accessible.? |
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| 15:58.49 | jharrisonwk | ali_: because promise controllers are probably controled by a firmware or some sort of proprietary raid software |
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| 15:59.09 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: ok, do you perhaps know what could be the problem? Cause altering the lvm init.d script to say fdisk /dev/sda1;killall fdisk seems a bit cruid. |
| 15:59.16 | asg | abrotman: 2 1/2 hours or so iirc. |
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| 15:59.34 | abrotman | asg: erm .. ok |
| 15:59.34 | jharrisonwk | ali_: hold on |
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| 16:01.35 | travisat | thats random |
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| 16:02.47 | keyhack | fireglcontrol doesn't seem to be applying any settings. I have a second monitor hooked up, I set the 2nd display to be disabled, restart X, and its enabled still. Anyone have experience with this? Is fireglcontrol designed to work with XFree86 and not Xorg? |
| 16:02.47 | kaplanfx | whats a good console news reader for d/ling binaries? |
| 16:02.49 | Chicken2k | How can I find out to which package a certain file belongs? |
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| 16:03.11 | asg | Chicken2k: apt-file search ... ; dpkg -S foo |
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| 16:04.36 | xam | ahhh, delicious Chicken2k |
| 16:04.50 | Chicken2k | I know... ^^ |
| 16:05.10 | Chicken2k | thx asg |
| 16:05.19 | double_c | kaplanfx: nget |
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| 16:06.16 | directhex|work | keyhack, if you're on debian, you don't have xorg |
| 16:06.30 | jharrisonwk | ali_: ping |
| 16:06.30 | directhex|work | keyhack, and fgl* doesn't work, in most cases |
| 16:06.45 | FarrisG | If I make a change to /etc/resolv.conf, do I need to restart/reload a service before the system starts using the new nameservers? |
| 16:06.48 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: pong |
| 16:06.50 | jharrisonwk | ali_: from what I read it seems that creating lvm is a 3 step process |
| 16:07.03 | directhex|work | LVM is a three-edged sword |
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| 16:07.13 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: We can mount the lvm "disk" |
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| 16:07.27 | xam | FarrisG: nope |
| 16:07.33 | jharrisonwk | ali_: have you created this already? |
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| 16:07.40 | ali_ | jharrisonwk: yep |
| 16:07.41 | jharrisonwk | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/ |
| 16:07.58 | jharrisonwk | http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 16:08.03 | kaplanfx | thanks double_c |
| 16:08.04 | jharrisonwk | ali_: check those links |
| 16:08.20 | jharrisonwk | ali_: I have never worked with lvm so im not totally sure what to tell you |
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| 16:08.37 | FarrisG | xam: Hmm.. Then can you think of a reason why my machine would not be resolving the same addresses as a machine right next to it with an identical resolv.conf? |
| 16:08.41 | xam | FarrisG: some services might cache DNS queries however (eg. squid will cache for 5 minutes) |
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| 16:09.18 | Pappa | anyone used xqf before? |
| 16:09.23 | xam | FarrisG: well, firewall issues, other networking issues (router settings) ... |
| 16:09.34 | ali_ | jharrisonw: They sata disk seems unavailable when it passes the lvm init script. When we do 'fdisk /dev/sda1' and close it right away(!) the disk seems availiable :( |
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| 16:11.00 | FarrisG | xam: No firewall here. And both machines are grabbing static IPs from the same router |
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| 16:11.19 | xam | Farris: hopefully not the same static IP :) |
| 16:11.34 | FarrisG | xam: Ha! No |
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| 16:12.14 | xam | Farris: other than that I would not have any other clue than to check with tcpdump. |
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| 16:12.30 | Chicken2k | Where can I get the patches Debian used for apache2? |
| 16:12.39 | Ekaterin | If you replace your nameserver, do you need to do anything to the clients to get them to use the new nameserver other than editing /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 16:13.29 | FarrisG | Ekaterin: I'm asking the same question, having a problem with that |
| 16:13.34 | Chicken2k | ah, got it |
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| 16:14.00 | Ekaterin | FarrisG: My apologies, I only came on this channel a few minutes ago. |
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| 16:14.31 | FarrisG | Ekaterin: No apology necessary, just alerting you to the fact that you've got a friend in this quest :) |
| 16:14.37 | littlesnow | Oh,it is my first time to use xchat.It is great!So many comrade |
| 16:14.56 | jharrisonwk | aw they made friends |
| 16:15.13 | FarrisG | *blush* |
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| 16:16.31 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: how is it possible for a machine to "grab" a static ip from the router? |
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| 16:17.35 | jharrisonwk | Ekaterin: not that i know of |
| 16:17.40 | xam | jharrisonwk: bootp/dhcp? you can allow give out static IPs instead out of a pool of dynamic ones ;) |
| 16:18.01 | jharrisonwk | xam: true |
| 16:18.15 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: What he said |
| 16:18.26 | jharrisonwk | xam: most if the time this is still called dhcp |
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| 16:18.57 | xam | jharrisionwk: of course, dhcp only describes the protocol/service |
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| 16:19.05 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Actually, no. If you get a static IP, it isn't DHCP that's giving it to you |
| 16:19.06 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: you have tio have some connectivity problem then |
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| 16:19.41 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: can you ping your gateway? |
| 16:19.46 | jjjeff | does anyone know if you can burn cds in windows running in vmware? |
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| 16:19.56 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: can you talk to another ip without resolving it? |
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| 16:19.59 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: If I do, I can't figure out where. Yes, I can ping the gateway, ping the dns servers, ping any machine on the network |
| 16:20.22 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: if you can then you either have some resolver issue or you cannot conenct to your dns server |
| 16:20.35 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Just can't resolve hostnames handled by one particular ns in my resolv.conf |
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| 16:20.45 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: do you have tcpdump or something to watch the network with |
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| 16:21.05 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: probably it would be a good idea to sniff the wire and see what is happening with the dns queries |
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| 16:21.20 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Yes, but I don't really know what I could look for with tcpdump to figure this out. I have no connectivity problems with any of the hosts in the mix. Just can't resolv |
| 16:21.43 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: if your dns servers are local and they need to query another authoritative dns server can they do this? |
| 16:21.45 | Gcc | guys i got a problem synaptic crashes when i select xfce to install it!? and some other packs also anubody has the same problem? |
| 16:21.59 | ali_ | we created a workaround by putting "fdisk -s /dev/sda"in lvm initscript. It's not beautiful, but is seems to be working :) |
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| 16:22.27 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: are your dns servers on the same network as your clients or some other network? |
| 16:22.28 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Not sure I understand the last question. |
| 16:22.30 | typo | anyone know how I can say a repository has priority over another, even if it downgrades something? |
| 16:22.35 | jjjeff | anyone know if you can burn a cd under vmware?? |
| 16:22.41 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: can you port scan the dns servers from your clients and see the dns ports open? |
| 16:23.07 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: with dns servers if you are running a local server maybe you have them firewalled in such a way that they cant get out to the internet |
| 16:23.08 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Different network. Same /8, different /16 |
| 16:23.10 | Putiikki | Gcc: why don't you install xfce with apt/aptitude? |
| 16:23.15 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: that is unlikely but maybe it is the case |
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| 16:23.37 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: No firewall between me and the dns server or the router |
| 16:23.40 | Gcc | Putiikki: thats not the point im curious of the reason... |
| 16:23.40 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: so when you query your server for www.google.com for example your dns server will say well I have no idea what www.google.com is |
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| 16:23.53 | Putiikki | Gcc: okay |
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| 16:23.56 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: so then it will try to ask another more authoritative server for what ip www.google.com has |
| 16:24.07 | jerome | stop if I'm wrong but there is no way to get users restricted to their home directory using sftp-server from debian pkg ? |
| 16:24.10 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: for that it will need to connect to other servers to query them |
| 16:24.30 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: you need to do some network testing to find out why its not working |
| 16:24.36 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: it could be a resolver thing |
| 16:24.46 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Understood. The problem is, I'm only using this DNS server for local addresses. I have three nameservers listed, two external, and one for the local network |
| 16:24.47 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: or connectivity or maybe server misconfiguration |
| 16:25.00 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: ok sounds good |
| 16:25.02 | kbrooks | i need mythtv. how can i easily get it? |
| 16:25.14 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: can you get out to the secondary and third servers? |
| 16:25.28 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: port scan port 53 on all the servers you have in resolv.conf |
| 16:25.39 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: make sure you can see the ports open |
| 16:25.57 | Ekaterin | OK, more details of my problem. ssh connections to some of my machines are slow (taking up to 15 seconds to connect) but others are fine. The problematical machines seem to be those that haven't been rebooted since the nameserver change. I fixed one troublesome machine by rebooting it, but would like a less drastic way to fix the rest. |
| 16:26.03 | kbrooks | using apt-get install mythtv says it cant find mythtv |
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| 16:26.16 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: it is one thing to ping a server but it is another to connect to a service runningo n the server |
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| 16:26.43 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: you can ping a box all day long and still not know if it is running a webserver or whatever |
| 16:26.46 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: Yeah, portmap shows 22, 53, 111, 113, and 806 open between me and the local DNS |
| 16:26.58 | network1d | if I enable kernel debugging, where does it throw the kernel core file to? |
| 16:27.00 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: so now try the external ones |
| 16:27.08 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: And I know it's actually serving, because this other box is getting dns responses from it |
| 16:27.14 | Gumby | can anyone possibly lend a hand? I am trying to write to a NFS share. The host has the NFS share always using a specific uid/gid. That user/group is set to own the directory I am trying to write to and its permissions are drwxrwxr-x. I am still gettting permission denied when I try to write to it though |
| 16:27.32 | FarrisG | jharrisonwk: the external ones are fine |
| 16:27.34 | jharrisonwk | Gumby: I dont have any hands to spare |
| 16:27.41 | Gumby | heh |
| 16:27.49 | Gumby | ok, any thoughts as to a solution then? |
| 16:27.51 | Gumby | :) |
| 16:28.05 | network1d | Gumby both systems have same uid/gid mapping |
| 16:28.15 | jharrisonwk | FarrisG: use nslookup or dig to connect and to quiery the servers and test the responses |
| 16:28.15 | xam | Ekaterin: do you have IPv6 enabled? probably some of the machines you try to connect (the ones with the 15s) also have a IPv6 address (eg. at least a AAAA record in the DNS server) and your machine tries to connect to them, but can't, since you don't have working IPv6 |
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| 16:28.20 | jharrisonwk | Gumby: :) |
| 16:28.25 | biosvirus | Hi! I have a problem with apache1, I've /var/www/ as my Document root, I've insterted my webiste there, but if i open my browser and write 127.0.0.1 that file "apache is correct installed" is just comin' up, someone know what to change in settings ? |
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| 16:28.44 | Gumby | network1d: for this user/group yes. however it shouldnt matter because the host changes the uid/gid anyhow (set in the exports for the nfs share) |
| 16:28.54 | slocate | hey, why does 2.6.11.* mame X use more CPU? |
| 16:28.58 | slocate | make* |
| 16:29.00 | xam | Ekaterin: after trying via IPv6 (for 15s) it tries to connect via IPv4 ... |
| 16:29.02 | dvs | biosvirus: Change the index.html in the /var/www/ directory |
| 16:29.15 | network1d | Gumby only other thing is dns, if its using short vs fq name |
| 16:29.24 | ruzbeh | who can help me out here, im currently in another linux environment running debootstrap to start a new debian installation, but everytime i run it at the end I get "E: Couldn't download libgnutls10" (tried various mirrors also), is this a problem and/or how do i fix this? |
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| 16:29.35 | biosvirus | I replaced that ined.html file with mine index.htm file |
| 16:29.39 | biosvirus | index* |
| 16:29.42 | FarrisG | Is there any way to manually send a direct query to a particular nameserver and get some verbose feedback? |
| 16:29.52 | dvs | biosvirus: It must be called index.html |
| 16:30.02 | Gumby | biosvirus: you can specify the default pages to be used in the httpd.conf. change it to whatever your default page is and make sure its the first in the list |
| 16:30.04 | biosvirus | dvs, are you sure? |
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| 16:30.30 | dvs | biosvirus: Are you using apache2? |
| 16:30.33 | Ekaterin | xam: I don't have IPv6 enabled, but perhaps the master server for the domain has AAAA records for some machines - how can I check? |
| 16:30.34 | network1d | Gumby if you do a mount does it say the file system is mounted rw as well? |
| 16:30.38 | biosvirus | dvs.. no |
| 16:30.42 | biosvirus | apache1 |
| 16:30.55 | Gumby | network1d: yep |
| 16:31.04 | Ekaterin | xam: Although since a reboot fixed it in one case, I don't really see how that could be the problem. |
| 16:31.12 | xam | Ekaterin: 'host -t AAAA <name-of-host>' |
| 16:31.13 | dvs | Oh... my mistake. I don't have apache1 installed anymore so I can't help you |
| 16:31.20 | biosvirus | ok |
| 16:31.53 | Gumby | biosvirus: have a look at what I said. that should work for you. If it doesnt. clear your web browsers cache and retry viewing the page |
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| 16:32.31 | Ekaterin | xam: No response, but how can I tell what nameserver the host command is using? |
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| 16:32.48 | xam | Ekaterin: are you sure IPv6 is not in the kernel (or loaded as module)? I get exactly the same problem if I try to connect via ssh to IPv6 capable hosts, but the IPv6 connection is broken ... then it switches back to IPv4 after 10s or so |
| 16:33.28 | xam | Ekaterin: usually the first one in your /etc/resolv.conf. Alternatively you can specify a nameserver as an option to 'host' |
| 16:33.46 | biosvirus | Gumby, I've the root folder is set to /var/www, and thats where I've put my index.htm file. And Iäve removed the others files that were in var/www, wouldn't that be enough? |
| 16:33.56 | Gumby | biosvirus: no |
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| 16:34.24 | biosvirus | gumby: ok |
| 16:34.32 | Gumby | biosvirus: a simple answer.... ln -s index.htm index.html in your document root |
| 16:34.40 | Gumby | but thats the really lame way out |
| 16:34.48 | Gumby | and a poor excuse for a properly configured server |
| 16:35.12 | biosvirus | ok |
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| 16:35.28 | dvs | biosvirus: I'd look for a "DirectoryIndex" entry in your /etc/apache/apache.conf file (if it exists in apache1) |
| 16:36.33 | biosvirus | dvs and Gumby: i think the .htm is the problem. If I watch the "apache is correct installed" it says, that The default directory index is index.html, |
| 16:36.41 | biosvirus | so, you were right |
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| 16:37.00 | Gumby | of course we we were right |
| 16:37.01 | Gumby | hehe |
| 16:37.05 | biosvirus | :D |
| 16:37.14 | dvs | biosvirus: Did you look for the DirectoryIndex entry? |
| 16:37.24 | biosvirus | in apache conf? |
| 16:37.29 | xam | dvs: better that punching yourself in the face or picking yourself in your eye |
| 16:37.31 | dvs | biosvirus: yes |
| 16:37.39 | dvs | xam: ;-) |
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| 16:37.44 | biosvirus | it says it'll be .html .htm .sthml and more |
| 16:37.55 | Ekaterin | xam: No IPv6 in the kernel (some of the troublesome machines are clones of some of the good machines, and as I said, rebooting seems to fix the problem). |
| 16:37.56 | dvs | biosvirus: But not .htm ? |
| 16:37.57 | Gumby | biosvirus: switch them and html around |
| 16:38.13 | biosvirus | it says that .htm will work |
| 16:38.15 | dvs | D'oh |
| 16:38.15 | Gumby | make htm first if that is your preferred index name |
| 16:38.24 | biosvirus | I've tried that |
| 16:38.28 | dvs | biosvirus: But index.html comes first |
| 16:38.28 | Ekaterin | xam: What would happen if it were first trying to consult a DNS server which is now offline, then going on to one which works? |
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| 16:38.31 | Gumby | says .htm wont work? |
| 16:38.48 | biosvirus | ohh, I mean wont |
| 16:39.00 | Fennecus | if you've tried it, have you bounced Apache? |
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| 16:39.04 | biosvirus | fuck! |
| 16:39.10 | Ekaterin | xam: And what if (as was true until last week) the first server it looked at for alive but not running a nameserver any more? |
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| 16:39.30 | biosvirus | im totaly out of it, First: I'll try to change .htm to .html and see if that works |
| 16:39.37 | xam | Ekaterin: strange. It seems you might have some network related problems. Double assigned IP addresses? Firewall? Routing issues? Basically if you can't find a configuration problem, you should try tcpdump ... |
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| 16:39.39 | Gumby | biosvirus: wait a sec... hehe |
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| 16:40.18 | xam | Ekaterin: that would be not good. That could explain a timeout |
| 16:40.19 | Gumby | biosvirus: do this... in that file you have that says .html .htm. shtml etc. make it so that .htm (or whatever you want to be your default index page) is the first one in the list. then save the file |
| 16:40.26 | Gumby | biosvirus: then do apachectl restart |
| 16:40.46 | Gumby | (I assume debian has apachectl) |
| 16:40.49 | biosvirus | ok, Hmm.. never tried a restart :P |
| 16:40.53 | Gumby | biosvirus: lol |
| 16:41.04 | Gumby | you have to reload the server for the changes to take place |
| 16:41.05 | xam | Ekaterin: change the order of the entries in your /etc/resolv.conf, this will most likely solve the problem (if it is the situation you described) |
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| 16:41.40 | biosvirus | I changed .htm to .html and now it works :D |
| 16:41.43 | TheTom | (re) |
| 16:41.48 | dvs | go figure |
| 16:41.52 | biosvirus | without a restart |
| 16:42.22 | Gumby | biosvirus: of course it will |
| 16:42.41 | Ekaterin | xam: I already changed /etc/resolv.conf, but I'm guessing that the change didn't register (except on the machines which were rebooted). I will look up tcpdump and see if it helps. |
| 16:42.47 | Gumby | biosvirus: ln -s index.htm index.html would have worked also |
| 16:43.14 | Gumby | as would have restarting the server after you made the change |
| 16:43.15 | biosvirus | gumby, ok |
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| 16:43.41 | xam | Ekaterin: a change in /etc/resolv.conf does not require a reboot. Most services don't even be restarted (except for those who cache DNS queries), it works instantly |
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| 16:44.09 | xam | even be ~= even need to be |
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| 16:44.16 | Gumby | lets hypothetically say you have multiple indexes each with an index.htm in it. instead of renaming theem all you just edit the apache conf and restart and they all will now work |
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| 16:46.05 | ruzbeh | hey people i'm doing debootstrap but it constantly says E: Couldn't download libgnutls10! Is this really bad? Or can I just continue? |
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| 16:50.04 | spiekey | hiho |
| 16:50.12 | spiekey | how could i debug this? isdn: fcpcipnp0,ch0 cause: E001B |
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| 16:50.37 | spiekey | my cable is connected correctly, and the AVM pci card is in its slot, too |
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| 16:52.00 | caphuso | SexyKen: I#<esc> |
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| 16:52.46 | greycat | depends on how he defines "beginning" |
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| 16:52.56 | SexyKen | Thanks:-) |
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| 16:53.29 | raboof | wow. i just turned off anti-aliasing for everything (both qt and gtk) by simply editting /etc/fonts/local.conf. Nice! |
| 16:55.38 | dvs | me objects |
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| 16:56.51 | FarrisG | Does anyone know if postfix has a feature that'll let you do a silent delivery to an external address of a copy of every message that comes to a mailbox? |
| 16:57.42 | IRCMonkey | Hi |
| 16:57.44 | IRCMonkey | I've been using static ip, but now I have to use dhcp. Is it possible to use dpkg-reconfigure (Sarge) to change this? How? |
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| 16:58.00 | asg | IRCMonkey: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg faq |
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| 16:58.14 | citricode | Hi all |
| 16:58.19 | orzel | hello, whichever mirror i use, i got "E: Couldn't download libgnutls10" when trying to deboostrap a sarge system.. Did i do something wrong ? |
| 16:58.47 | citricode | I have opened a ssh conectio, how to copy files from that host to my home host?? |
| 16:58.50 | ruzbeh | orzel, yup, me too -_- dunno what's wrong |
| 16:59.04 | Taraxacum | try write help in ssh window |
| 16:59.32 | orzel | could be some local(in time) pb ? which will be solved soon ? or is this something more important which is broken? that's what i wonder |
| 17:00.26 | raboof | citricode: check out scp |
| 17:00.53 | raboof | (if that's not available you could try things like copy-pasting base64-encodings of files, but that's icky :)) |
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| 17:01.52 | Taraxacum | i want to install those visual things that knoppix have of memory use and stuff, anyone know what they are called? |
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| 17:02.06 | ruzbeh | Taraxacum, gdesklets? torsmo? |
| 17:02.11 | madroach | how is the executable to start kde or gnome called? |
| 17:02.17 | ruzbeh | Taraxacum, karamba? |
| 17:02.29 | nutshell42 | madroach, kde: startkde |
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| 17:02.36 | nutshell42 | gnome: gnome-session |
| 17:02.37 | madroach | nutshell42: thanks |
| 17:02.38 | nutshell42 | afaik |
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| 17:03.35 | madroach | nutshell42: thanks |
| 17:03.43 | nutshell42 | np |
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| 17:06.13 | lewis | where do I specify for grub to reboot only once with a certain kernel, before going back to another one? (i.e. in case a new kernel fails to boot) |
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| 17:09.38 | asuffield | lewis: you can't do it trivially. if you don't mind doing it the complex way, use the 'install' command at boot-time to reinstall grub using a different config file |
| 17:10.17 | Eclipser | how large should /, /usr, /var be on a desktop machine? |
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| 17:10.29 | asuffield | lewis: hmm, actually you could also do it using savedefault. consult the manual about that |
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| 17:10.42 | dvs | Eclipser: how big is the hard drive? |
| 17:10.56 | Eclipser | 120GB, I have a 160GB harddrive too for extra stuff :) |
| 17:11.04 | lewis | k |
| 17:11.36 | quiet | how? |
| 17:11.42 | Eclipser | it has ssh client |
| 17:11.46 | quiet | ahhhh |
| 17:11.47 | quiet | nice |
| 17:11.53 | Eclipser | yes, very |
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| 17:12.40 | quiet | it's very odd that the fastest debian mirror for me is in puerto rico er something? |
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| 17:12.55 | Eclipser | so umm, dvs, any suggestions? |
| 17:13.06 | Eclipser | I'm not very good at selecting partition sizes :) |
| 17:13.11 | IRCMonkey | Which package handels dhcp and static ip configuration? |
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| 17:13.33 | quiet | Eclipser, what are you setting up? |
| 17:13.50 | Eclipser | my desktop box |
| 17:13.53 | quiet | and you're using all 160GB? |
| 17:13.55 | dvs | Eclipser: for a desktop, i'd setup with one / partition |
| 17:14.05 | asg | IRCMonkey: non, you edit your interfaces file. |
| 17:14.09 | quiet | maybe make /home seperate |
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| 17:14.21 | dvs | quiet: good point |
| 17:14.27 | quiet | :) |
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| 17:14.38 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 17:14.43 | quiet | that's what I do with desktop/laptop |
| 17:14.50 | dvs | 40GB /homr partition |
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| 17:14.56 | Nexus | Well, I made a mistake and did an apt-get upgrade which installed exim4 over the top of my custom qmail install. Now when I try and remove qmail-base, it wants to remove all my courier stuff, mysql, etc. Why would it do that? |
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| 17:15.09 | quiet | 160 GB?? i would give /home at least 100 |
| 17:15.16 | quiet | that way you can download all you want |
| 17:15.36 | quiet | unless you want to make some other folder for that... |
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| 17:16.20 | Chris62vw | well, debian is now kicking ass as my main desktop (at home). it was 1000 times easier to completely setup versus gentoo. but there is one minor problem... |
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| 17:16.40 | Eclipser | problems are made to be solved |
| 17:16.47 | Chris62vw | one sec, let me explain... :-) |
| 17:17.02 | dippo | is there a particularly ideal solution for password expiration for users that only use, say, IMAP and squirrelmail? |
| 17:17.06 | dippo | i suppose not, huh |
| 17:17.07 | Pappa | Chris62vw: plus, in gentoo only 0.5% of packages are broken, while in gentoo 10% are |
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| 17:17.16 | IRCMonkey | asg: I know I can edit config file. But is it impossible to use somethin like dpkg-reconfigure ?network? |
| 17:17.17 | Nexus | Anyone got a clue why remove exim4 is trying to uninstall mysql nagios, etc? |
| 17:17.29 | dvs | Pappa: huh? |
| 17:17.32 | Eclipser | Pappa, read what you wrote :) |
| 17:17.34 | asg | Nexus: are you removing exim4? |
| 17:17.36 | dippo | Nexus: they probably depend on mail-transport-agent |
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| 17:17.47 | dippo | so you don't technically have to have exim4 but you have to have some MTA |
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| 17:18.00 | Pappa | s/gentoo only 0.5%/debian oly 0.5%/ |
| 17:18.02 | asg | dippo: authenticate your users to ldap or kerberos and expire passwords that way |
| 17:18.10 | dvs | IRCMonkey: why? editing interfaces is so easy |
| 17:18.11 | Pappa | damnit latop keyboard killin me |
| 17:18.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart slashdot's posting slowness |
| 17:18.24 | dvs | Pappa: huh? |
| 17:18.25 | Nexus | asg, Yes, I'm removing exim4.. Accidentally installed it through apt-get upgrade |
| 17:18.27 | FieldySnuts | heh that'll just make it slower |
| 17:18.30 | asg | IRCMonkey: look for netconf or network-console-config |
| 17:18.31 | dvs | Pappa: oh, ok |
| 17:18.32 | dippo | asg: yeah, i was hoping I wouldn't have to dive down the ldap path |
| 17:18.48 | asg | Nexus: what did you have before? |
| 17:18.52 | FieldySnuts | Chris62vw: just a little note while you're typing, if you type too much it'll get cut off. consider splitting it up. |
| 17:19.04 | Eclipser | not too much though |
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| 17:19.20 | Pappa | anyone had success adding a master server in xqf? |
| 17:19.20 | Chris62vw | FieldySnuts, I'm an experienced question asker, trust me. im tied up with my boss at the moment, I'll ask in a few |
| 17:19.40 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 17:20.54 | Nexus | asg, Well, it's got a custom roll of qmail. From source I'd assume (I wasn't the admin for that) |
| 17:20.58 | quiet | what's the diff. between en_US ISO-8859-1 and en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8?? |
| 17:21.03 | asg | Nexus: just install another mta (exim, postfix, nullmailer, ssmtp) You need one since your system communicates with you that way (and so do many other packages.) |
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| 17:21.16 | asg | Nexus: oh, install equivs (and build a dummy package the provides mail-transport-agent) |
| 17:21.28 | asg | Nexus: see the faq (/msg dpkg faq) for info on how to do that in the qmail section. |
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| 17:22.16 | dippo | huh, i never knew about equivs. that's cool |
| 17:22.17 | Nexus | asg, Awesome. Thank you for your help. |
| 17:22.23 | Chris62vw | so here's the deal: I use screen and irssi from a server. that's how I am connected right now to irc. but when I ssh into this server from home, reattach the screen, and try to use irssi, the alt + 1-9 and alt + right/left arrows doesn't work right. here's what I do: |
| 17:22.24 | asg | Nexus: you're welcome |
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| 17:23.04 | Chris62vw | start debian, type startx to get into fluxbox, open an xterm, ssh to this machine, reattach the screen, go to irssi, and try chatting. I've tried the gnome term but it does the same thing. playing with $TERM didn't help either |
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| 17:23.28 | stouset | Chris62vw: sounds like a bug in irssi; file it |
| 17:23.31 | Chris62vw | anyone else ever run into this problem? when I try to go from channel to channel in irssi ala alt + 1-9/arrows, it prints a strange character |
| 17:23.37 | Chris62vw | stouset, I dont think so |
| 17:23.47 | Chris62vw | it sounds like some terminal issue or encoding |
| 17:23.50 | Pappa | Chris62vw: #irssi ? |
| 17:24.03 | stouset | Chris62vw: ...some terminal issue or encoding that irssi should be handling gracefully =P |
| 17:24.05 | Pappa | /set term_type ? |
| 17:24.13 | travisat | Chris62vw: are you using xterm |
| 17:24.14 | Chris62vw | stouset, I like that :-) |
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| 17:24.20 | Chris62vw | travisat, yes, and I tried the gnome terminal too |
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| 17:24.55 | travisat | hmmm don't know about gnome terminal, install urxvt or aterm and see if it still does it |
| 17:25.05 | Pappa | Chris62vw: try /set term_type 8bit |
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| 17:25.07 | Chris62vw | thanks, I'll have to try that |
| 17:25.14 | Chris62vw | Pappa, that's what it seems to be set to actually |
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| 17:25.26 | Jacobo221 | what was the command to change to the previous active edirectory? |
| 17:25.34 | Chris62vw | Jacobo221, cd $OLDPWD? |
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| 17:25.44 | travisat | Jacobo221: cd - |
| 17:25.45 | Jacobo221 | i know cd $OLDPWD works, but there was a siompler one |
| 17:25.46 | simonrvn | cd -1 |
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| 17:25.52 | simonrvn | no, cd - |
| 17:26.01 | Jacobo221 | ahm tat was it, cd - :) thanky! |
| 17:26.11 | omar | hi anybody here have installedmidgard |
| 17:26.13 | Chris62vw | oh cool, I didnt know that trick |
| 17:26.22 | Chris62vw | travisat, I'll have to try those |
| 17:26.44 | Pappa | Chris62vw: try if ESC-x works |
| 17:26.51 | Pappa | maybe meta is broken |
| 17:27.09 | Pappa | that is ESC<release><NUM> |
| 17:27.16 | Chris62vw | oh, is that one way to change channels? |
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| 17:27.27 | lakcaj | What is the prefered method to automount removeable media in debian? I'm running sarge with gnome. |
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| 17:27.33 | Chris62vw | I'm here at work but what I CAN do is use vnc to get to my home box, use xterm to get back to this server, etc |
| 17:27.36 | Chris62vw | let me try... |
| 17:27.46 | Pappa | Chris62vw: really, ESC is just another meta |
| 17:27.52 | jdnewmil | I have a PATA main hd, and an SATA data drive... upgraded Sarge kernel 2.6 (kernel-image-2.6.8-1 to -2), and it now fails on fsck of my SATA drive... but the libata messages appear... the drive is recognized... but now have no entry in /dev for sdaN like my /etc/fstab has been specifying... so, why are sdaN nodes missing? how to restore? |
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| 17:28.33 | Chris62vw | ēīĩļģēąđ°ī |
| 17:28.37 | Cyanophytes | Is there a way to find out what packages depend on a certain package |
| 17:28.45 | greycat | Cyanophytes: apt-cache showpkg |
| 17:28.50 | Chris62vw | that's the kind of stuff it prints when I do alt + numbers/arrows. I can't switch channels right now :-) |
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| 17:29.04 | Pappa | Chris62vw: yes you can, /win X |
| 17:29.06 | greycat | Chris62vw: I stopped trying that crap long ago. I switch with "/j #bash" now. |
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| 17:29.15 | Chris62vw | Pappa, aha, esc + number works |
| 17:29.25 | Pappa | Chris62vw: so your meta is broken |
| 17:29.34 | Chris62vw | greycat, it's always worked, just until now. typing /j #chan would be annoying :-) |
| 17:29.34 | travisat | Chris62vw: thats xterm, it doesn't work with meta very well |
| 17:29.38 | Chris62vw | Pappa, aha |
| 17:29.39 | Cyanophytes | greycat: thanks |
| 17:29.49 | Chris62vw | travisat, I always used it before. how about I try another term? give me one sec... |
| 17:29.49 | xophEr | I want this line: 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"' to be executed when I start x. Im using Gnome 2.8 and GDM, Ive added the line to ~/.xsession, but it doesnt work. Is there an alternative way? |
| 17:29.54 | greycat | Chris62vw: /j #chan is the only thing that works reliably enough for me, scaling to more than 10 channels |
| 17:29.58 | Chris62vw | ill try aterm |
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| 17:30.15 | simonrvn | xophEr: use startx and it'll work |
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| 17:30.31 | xophEr | um, how? |
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| 17:30.33 | Krisso | guys i need help, my programs wont resolve www adresses anymore.. only ip adresses. what do i have to type to update my resolf.conf file so that it wokrs again? |
| 17:30.52 | travisat | make sure that the ips are correct in it |
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| 17:30.57 | Pappa | Chris62vw: if aterm, try |
| 17:31.08 | pacxdragon | how many ppl in this channel need help -roll call |
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| 17:31.12 | pacxdragon | me |
| 17:31.20 | xophEr | simonrvn, what do you mean by that? change gdm to xdm? |
| 17:31.37 | travisat | xophEr: don't use a dm is what he means |
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| 17:32.12 | xophEr | hm, but there's no way of getting it working with a dm? |
| 17:32.13 | plb | Ok... this will undoubtedly start a flame war, but I need to know if there is a prevasive reason why one would use procmail (or any other MTA) over sendmail |
| 17:32.15 | simonrvn | what? oh, you,re using one of those. um, try sticking that in .gnomerc (i think that's what it was called) |
| 17:32.26 | Pappa | echo -e "XTerm*eightBitInput: false\nXTerm*metaSendsEscape: true\nrxvt*modifier: alt" >> ~/.Xresources |
| 17:32.32 | Pappa | try that, Chris62vw |
| 17:32.35 | Chris62vw | hmm aterm doesnt run my .profile or whatever |
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| 17:32.44 | Chris62vw | Pappa, should I see if aterm works first? |
| 17:32.49 | Pappa | try |
| 17:32.56 | pacxdragon | is there a default root password/ |
| 17:33.04 | travisat | pacxdragon: no |
| 17:33.05 | Krisso | anyone? |
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| 17:33.24 | Chris62vw | aha. aterm handles it just fine |
| 17:33.28 | FieldySnuts | anyone what? this is a rather busy channel, we have no idea what you want |
| 17:33.30 | plb | Krisso: what was the question? |
| 17:33.30 | Chris62vw | but its harder to read things hehe |
| 17:33.37 | simonrvn | pacxdragon: no |
| 17:33.52 | pacxdragon | dam, this means I have to re-install and pay closer attetion doesn't it |
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| 17:34.01 | Pappa | Chris62vw: xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L" |
| 17:34.06 | Krisso | plb, just solved it myself. thx :) |
| 17:34.09 | Pappa | you could try that, then xterm |
| 17:34.15 | travisat | Chris62vw: you can customize aterm to look better |
| 17:34.23 | simonrvn | pacxdragon: no |
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| 17:34.27 | greycat | !start an mta war |
| 17:34.27 | dpkg | qmail loses mail |
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| 17:34.28 | Pappa | ēąēąēą |
| 17:34.36 | Pappa | right xterm does not like meta |
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| 17:34.45 | Pappa | lol |
| 17:34.46 | Chris62vw | Pappa, should I put that in .login or something? |
| 17:34.47 | simonrvn | pacxdragon: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 17:35.03 | Pappa | Chris62vw: if aterm works, use it |
| 17:35.04 | pacxdragon | huh |
| 17:35.11 | Pappa | aterm <3 |
| 17:35.20 | jdnewmil | any ideas why MAKEDEV won't create my sdaN devices? |
| 17:35.22 | travisat | Chris62vw: I suggest using urxvt, its about the best term |
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| 17:35.26 | iiiclaw | is there an install guide for sarge? |
| 17:35.34 | Chris62vw | travisat, there is no urxvt package, let me search the cache... |
| 17:35.35 | plb | greycat: I know, but we have a departmental sysadmin trying to push procmail on us, and I need to know if it is worth switching away from sendmail |
| 17:35.41 | Pappa | Chris62vw: try aterm -bg gray20 -fg white +sb -sl 3000 |
| 17:35.45 | travisat | Chris62vw: rxvt-unicode to install it |
| 17:35.46 | Pappa | Chris62vw: see if it's readable |
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| 17:36.18 | Pappa | THE WHITE POWDER |
| 17:36.29 | greycat | plb: non sequitur |
| 17:36.34 | travisat | Chris62vw: then do urxvt -fn "xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12:bold" -fg white -bg black +sb |
| 17:36.36 | greycat | ah. postfix, not procmail. |
| 17:36.39 | Chris62vw | thanks travisat will do, and thanks Pappa, let me try that... |
| 17:36.46 | simonrvn | crystal, not powder |
| 17:36.47 | greycat | plb: switching away from sendmail can only be a liberation. |
| 17:36.55 | iiiclaw | guess ill just have at it and hope for the best then :P |
| 17:37.02 | lewis | greycat: i was successful in my quest |
| 17:37.08 | pacxdragon | what u mean msg dpkg i forgot root password |
| 17:37.16 | simonrvn | !u |
| 17:37.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:37.31 | simonrvn | pacxdragon: means type that in your irc client |
| 17:37.32 | travisat | !tell pacxdragon about forgot root password |
| 17:37.44 | pacxdragon | ok |
| 17:37.45 | geordie | allright. keeping the queen's english pure |
| 17:37.45 | travisat | !tell pacxdragon about i forgot root password |
| 17:37.52 | iiiclaw | !install guide |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 17:37.54 | Pappa | livecd, chroot, paddwd. |
| 17:37.57 | Pappa | passwd* |
| 17:38.01 | Pappa | that simple :p |
| 17:38.05 | iiiclaw | oooo |
| 17:38.17 | plb | greycat: but the question is, is switching to postfix any better? And I'm concerned because the mailserver sadly enough is actually Solaris, and well I am a semi-compotent Debian Admin, I am a bit lost on Solaris |
| 17:38.41 | greycat | plb: I've never used postfix. I *have* used sendmail. Nothing could possibly be as bad as sendmail. |
| 17:38.50 | Pappa | åååå |
| 17:38.53 | pipeline | plb: postfix at least isn't the security nightmare |
| 17:38.57 | Pappa | sry guys just testing |
| 17:39.04 | dambodog | hi, i want to put my app servers in a cluster (mainly with apache). would i need to get a load balancer hardware or can i just use mod_backhand? |
| 17:39.06 | greycat | Pappa: could you test without hitting enter, please? |
| 17:39.10 | plb | pipeline: that is a pervasive reason :-P |
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| 17:39.19 | greycat | Pappa: or /join #pappa |
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| 17:39.34 | JoshH | plb: postfix is a lot easier to get working than sendmail, but if you already know sendmail well, it probably isnt worth bothering to switch. |
| 17:39.35 | Pappa | it bothered you that much? lol |
| 17:39.36 | pipeline | plb: You could also consider the Sun ONE mail server. You might even have a free license for ONE if you're paying for Solaris support. |
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| 17:40.27 | plb | pipeline: probably not the system is a good number of years old |
| 17:40.50 | pacxdragon | u mean run a live cd, then type that in @ console/ |
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| 17:41.18 | pipeline | plb: I would move away from sendmail at almost any cost, but that's just me |
| 17:41.25 | greycat | pipeline: did you miss a few (R)(tm)(C) signs on that? ;-) |
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| 17:41.40 | pipeline | greycat: No. |
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| 17:41.51 | Chris62vw | Pappa, travisat, rxvt/aterm don't a) run my .bashrc or whatever needs to be done and b) the up/down history in bash simply prints weird characters and doesn't scroll through the history |
| 17:41.58 | Chris62vw | either way, I'll mess with it when I get home. thanks guys |
| 17:42.03 | pipeline | greycat: As I am not publishing this internet conversation, I don't think I have to provide any trademark or rights reserved notices |
| 17:42.24 | Pappa | aterm -ls ? |
| 17:42.26 | plb | pipeline: Thanks for the input |
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| 17:42.46 | Pappa | urxvt was sweet |
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| 17:43.12 | dvs | N-MAN: Cut it out |
| 17:43.32 | pacxdragon | Pappa was that supposed to be instruction u gave me/ |
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| 17:43.53 | ricky_clarkson | !be marvin |
| 17:43.55 | greycat | pipeline: oh, but cynical icy snide comments about Payware products always look so much better when you slap (C)(tm)(R) on them |
| 17:44.05 | ricky_clarkson | Where's ma damn factoids? |
| 17:44.13 | dvs | !dunno |
| 17:44.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dunno is what |
| 17:44.14 | greycat | !listkeys marvin |
| 17:44.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'marvin' by key (2): act like marvin ;; marvin. |
| 17:44.21 | N-MAN | sorry :( |
| 17:44.21 | ricky_clarkson | !act like marvin |
| 17:44.21 | dpkg | Would you like me to pick up a piece of paper, or just rust to oblivion? |
| 17:44.24 | greycat | !life |
| 17:44.24 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
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| 17:44.31 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I was doing that in pm. ;) |
| 17:44.36 | dvs | ha! |
| 17:44.40 | greycat | !factinfo life |
| 17:44.40 | dpkg | life -- last modified at Tue Mar 16 21:53:10 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 41 times, last by greycat, 16s ago. |
| 17:44.43 | dvs | Gotta like marvin |
| 17:44.48 | pipeline | greycat: I don't have anything snide to say about ONE or Solaris. I think ONE is actually very reasonably priced on the scale of things. |
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| 17:44.58 | dvs | And their upcoming movie! |
| 17:45.07 | greycat | pipeline: considering that its competition costs $0, how could it *possibly* be reasonably priced? |
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| 17:45.12 | Delph | uhhm. no. never mention the movie. |
| 17:45.22 | ricky_clarkson | !literal act like marvin |
| 17:45.22 | dpkg | act like marvin is <reply>(That's right, just ignore the robot.|Would you like me to pick up a piece of paper, or just rust to oblivion?|Brain the size of a planet, and they want me to tell people about root?) |
| 17:45.26 | pipeline | greycat: And Solaris is actually much cheaper than Redhat. Their Gold Plated Ultra Premium Platinum Card Semen Support is like $360/CPU. RHEL is what, $1200 ? |
| 17:45.35 | simonrvn | that sidebar for muttng is nice :) |
| 17:45.37 | iiiclaw | is aptitude just like dselect? except newer? |
| 17:45.43 | greycat | pipeline: Debian is $0. |
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| 17:46.04 | greycat | and, uh, I don't want to know about the Semen Support |
| 17:46.06 | dvs | iiiclaw: HAhahahahaah |
| 17:46.07 | pipeline | greycat: ...and you get what you pay for. Ask Oracle about their Debian support and get back to me about what you find. |
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| 17:46.18 | greycat | pipeline: PostgreSQL is $0. |
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| 17:46.28 | pipeline | greycat: PostgreSQL is not Oracle. |
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| 17:46.33 | greycat | thank god. |
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| 17:46.40 | Quibus | anyone using that gnome system monitor applet? It's suddenly very small in height here |
| 17:46.42 | simonrvn | postgres > oracle |
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| 17:46.57 | dvs | iiiclaw: aptitude is a complete different front end. It's suppose to be much simpler than dselect |
| 17:47.01 | pipeline | Quibus: The height is determined by the size of the panel it's in. Mine is only 24 pixels high and is the width of the screen :) |
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| 17:47.29 | greycat | oracle is rigid crufty legacy code, that may do one thing very well, but is a righteous PAIN in the ass to administer (which is part of their business model, of course -- make it a bitch to work with, and then charge you for support) |
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| 17:47.32 | Quibus | pipeline: it used to be of a normal height (64 pixels, like my panel), but now it's only about 5 pixels high, unusable |
| 17:47.41 | Krisso | löl |
| 17:47.51 | Overand | I'm using an SSH session with -D (etc) over wifi, and i've got lots of stuff connectd through that 'proxy'. is there a way i can switch to a differnet 'connection' as in, via cell phone, and re-establish the -D 'proxy' port forwarding without losing all my connections |
| 17:48.00 | Quibus | seems like some weird bug in gnome-applets |
| 17:48.11 | pipeline | Overand: No. |
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| 17:49.07 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 17:49.31 | iiiclaw | dvs: but it still lists all the packages individually like dsel did right? its not like tasksel in that it is for selecting groups of packages? |
| 17:49.34 | elephantman | What is the best way to install kernels ? |
| 17:49.37 | pacxdragon | anyone willing to answer a few questions 1-1 |
| 17:49.41 | dvs | iiiclaw: Right |
| 17:49.49 | iiiclaw | k thnx |
| 17:49.57 | elephantman | For the moment i download it on kernel.org then make xconfig |
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| 17:50.14 | dvs | !tell elephantman -about kp |
| 17:50.20 | elephantman | But i each time i have to build 10 kernel to manage to have the right options |
| 17:50.27 | travisat | elephantman: aptitude install kernel-image-blah |
| 17:50.31 | greycat | elephantman: so use a kernel-image |
| 17:50.52 | greycat | The linux developers have even explicitly *said* that their 2.6.x kernels are not stable. |
| 17:51.06 | greycat | They rely on the distributors (e.g. Debian) to fix the bugs. |
| 17:51.10 | travisat | they are pretty damn stable to me |
| 17:51.15 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 17:51.15 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 17:51.21 | elephantman | greycat: ok i understand |
| 17:51.38 | pacxdragon | anyone |
| 17:51.46 | simonrvn | .11 was amazingly stable the first time around |
| 17:51.46 | elephantman | my 2.6.10 kernel runs pretty well but lack some peripheral support |
| 17:51.55 | pingouin_ | i got troubles with the last 2..6.11.x since 3,or 4 i'm not sure, it's boot, but alll the network fails, netdev watchog eth0 timed out |
| 17:51.56 | quiet | !ask |
| 17:51.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 17:51.57 | elephantman | peripheral = devices |
| 17:52.12 | greycat | simonrvn: even a stopped clock is right twice a day (or once in some countries) ;-) |
| 17:52.13 | quiet | directed at pacxdragon |
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| 17:53.05 | pacxdragon | u telling me to be quiet/ |
| 17:53.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Not if it stops with both its hands on one digit (other than 12). |
| 17:53.10 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 17:53.11 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:53.17 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: um. |
| 17:53.28 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I'll let you figure out why that statement makes no sense. |
| 17:53.30 | elephantman | greycat: a kernel stamped as "stable" on kernel.org doesn't mean it will be stable on Debian ? |
| 17:53.31 | quiet | pacxdragon, no.. i'm telling you to ask... notask if you can ask |
| 17:53.34 | ricky_clarkson | pacxdragon: No, quiet's name is 'quiet'. |
| 17:53.46 | greycat | elephantman: read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513 and http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 |
| 17:53.49 | ricky_clarkson | pacxdragon: Are you telling me to breathe fire? |
| 17:53.51 | dvs | elephantman: By all means no |
| 17:53.55 | quiet | LOL |
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| 17:53.56 | pacxdragon | oh, crap sorry |
| 17:53.58 | pacxdragon | lol |
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| 17:54.09 | elephantman | greycat: thanx - gonna read this doc |
| 17:54.10 | greycat | pingouin_: Prince isn't here. |
| 17:54.13 | Delph | it could be a stopped broken clock. |
| 17:54.16 | elephantman | dvs: ok |
| 17:54.20 | simonrvn | greycat: ;) |
| 17:54.34 | greycat | pingouin_: yes, I know, he's been doing it for decades. |
| 17:54.37 | ricky_clarkson | pingouin_: But you let your grammar do it instead. |
| 17:54.39 | usn | hi all |
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| 17:54.50 | simonrvn | no, he's in toronto now |
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| 17:55.00 | pingouin_ | ricky_clarkson: not native english speaker, ...still learning ;) |
| 17:55.03 | cDNA | when i compile app's i get a gtk not found. how can i fix that? |
| 17:55.13 | pacxdragon | ok I'm asking, can any tell me how to reset/ root passwrd |
| 17:55.29 | ricky_clarkson | cDNA: Install GTK, probably. |
| 17:55.35 | pingouin_ | ricky_clarkson: pretty happy of my skills of talking, can increase the writing 4 sure ;) can U do it ? with my native language ? |
| 17:55.36 | greycat | cDNA: libgtk1.2-dev |
| 17:55.37 | ricky_clarkson | gtk-dev, more likely. |
| 17:55.39 | travisat | cDNA: install libgtk-dev |
| 17:55.41 | cDNA | ok |
| 17:55.45 | simonrvn | cDNA: it's looking for stuff like gtk.h. libgtk[-2]-dev will fix it (something like that) |
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| 17:55.58 | ricky_clarkson | pingouin_: Francais? Oui, un petit. |
| 17:56.10 | simonrvn | un petit peu |
| 17:56.12 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 17:56.23 | ricky_clarkson | pingouin_: No, it was a large poo. |
| 17:56.25 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, I see. |
| 17:56.27 | dvs | Chic alors! |
| 17:56.30 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: please write some l33t fr3nch for him, to show him how PAINFUL it is. |
| 17:56.36 | pingouin_ | dont be rude with typos in english, this is what i mean ;) |
| 17:56.41 | Souza10 | Could anybody help me with adsl-start? An message appears: modprobe: Can't locate module 1, pppoe[903] ioctl(SIOCGIFHWADDR): Session 0: No such device , but the device is working. |
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| 17:56.44 | greycat | with all those damned silent letters, french has to be ideal for l33t speech. |
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| 17:57.00 | pacxdragon | so i asked.... and? |
| 17:57.06 | ricky_clarkson | mouarf pingouin_ ti ets al suckeur!!!!ununununun!!!111elfelf |
| 17:57.07 | dvs | Souza10: It could be compiled right in the kernel |
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| 17:57.14 | simonrvn | greycat: yes. even non-l33t, sometimes i see very strange french in irc |
| 17:57.16 | jdnewmil | pacxdragon : use a bootable disk, mount partition you usually use as root, blank out encrypted root password, restart normally, login and use passwd to fix root password |
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| 17:57.35 | greycat | pingouin_: si vu play? |
| 17:57.42 | simonrvn | like: t 1 sal tro d cu |
| 17:57.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: s'il vous plait |
| 17:57.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: see? :) |
| 17:57.52 | cDNA | libgtk1.2-dev didn't fix it, it still doesn't see gtk |
| 17:57.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: see how PAINFUL it was? :) |
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| 17:57.56 | ricky_clarkson | Or just svp |
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| 17:58.02 | pacxdragon | I can't use a boot disk i'm using a laptop |
| 17:58.11 | Souza10 | dvs: But I made it in 4 differents machines and one of then worked, why not the others? |
| 17:58.13 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I misspelled it badly, on purpose, to mimic the way they spell things like 'u' in english. |
| 17:58.19 | pingouin_ | french not use this since a long time agon |
| 17:58.34 | pingouin_ | now they as rude as english people ;) |
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| 17:58.47 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: they're just called patate frites in .qc.ca |
| 17:58.47 | pingouin_ | not need to s'il vous plait or other please ;) |
| 17:58.51 | aFlag | what package is python freeze in? |
| 17:58.54 | elephantman | How can i monitor which kernel modules are lacking for a complete device support on my computer ? |
| 17:59.02 | pacxdragon | not to mention i don't know how to "blank out" the passwrd |
| 17:59.11 | ricky_clarkson | pingouin_: English people say please. So do French people (well, s'il vous plait), ime. Italians don't use theirs (per favore) much ime. |
| 17:59.20 | greycat | pacxdragon: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 17:59.21 | simonrvn | pacxdragon: the factoid the bot gave you tells how |
| 17:59.24 | pingouin_ | yeah, in ancient time |
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| 17:59.32 | elephantman | Is there a tool to do that ? Like : "You should install module_blabla for you soundcard"... |
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| 17:59.41 | jdnewmil | pacxdragon : you don't have a cd drive you can boot with? then remove the hd and install it as a secondary drive in another machine... |
| 17:59.46 | greycat | elephantman: apt-file |
| 17:59.48 | pingouin_ | this is not what i've seen in england during my travels |
| 17:59.51 | dvs | Souza10: You made what? Compiled the kernel on each computer? |
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| 17:59.58 | pingouin_ | people dont care about each other |
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| 18:00.03 | pingouin_ | you can die front of them |
| 18:00.07 | pingouin_ | they just dont care |
| 18:00.08 | greycat | elephantman: if you SPECIFICALLY meant hardware detection, just install sarge. It uses discover and hotplug. |
| 18:00.09 | pingouin_ | please |
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| 18:00.17 | pingouin_ | dont disturb me |
| 18:00.25 | ricky_clarkson | pingouin_: non morte ici, svp. |
| 18:00.35 | elephantman | greycat: ok thanx a lot |
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| 18:00.51 | dambodog | can anyone recommend a good load balancer? |
| 18:01.12 | pingouin_ | why i can't boot on my last 2.6.11.x kernel ? |
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| 18:01.21 | pingouin_ | the network is not started up |
| 18:01.38 | Souza10 | dvs: no, installed the linux and make adsl-setup and start |
| 18:01.40 | greycat | those are two different issues. |
| 18:01.52 | greycat | either it's not booting, or it's booting but without a network. |
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| 18:03.22 | dvs | Souza10: Different network cards? |
| 18:03.26 | pingouin_ | it's booting, but when the dhcp want to set up eth0 as usual (not my first kernel conf) ...it hang....and fails...it's booting,, but no eth0 is bring up, with some netdev eth0 time out |
| 18:03.29 | CyzarX | i have a usb handy drive cant work in debian. my debian system has 2 satas drive where sda and sdb are assigned to them. this handy drive work well in windows xp and fedora core 3. however, it doesnt work in debian. all the articles in the inet use sda to mount the usb handy drive, for my case since sda and sdb is used, i have to use sdc and onward which it doesnt work. anyone have similar problem? |
| 18:03.50 | greycat | pingouin_: /msg dpkg kernel options for dhcp |
| 18:04.16 | Souza10 | dvs: Yes |
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| 18:05.22 | irb | what app do i use to set up a wlan without X |
| 18:05.38 | greycat | "without X" is redundant. |
| 18:05.55 | alemao | when creating a debian package. I have the "DEBIAN" dir. How do I access files in there? ie. I had put a file.tar.gz there. how could i ingzip and untar it? |
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| 18:06.17 | alemao | using postinst .. preinst... |
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| 18:07.36 | sorahn | hey, i just installed apahce and the php/mysql stuff, and a .php page will work if i specify it (localhost/index.php) but if i just type in 'localhost' i get a window that says "you have chosen to open _____ which is a .PHTML file. what would you like firefox to do with this file" |
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| 18:08.12 | CyzarX | greycat, i guess this is the place to ask. if u dont mind, can u plz check on this site? http://undernetlinuxnewbie.org/wiki/index.php/USB_memory_mounting_with_fstab |
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| 18:08.26 | CyzarX | greycat, that was the description and problem |
| 18:08.32 | CyzarX | greycat, ty |
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| 18:08.40 | greycat | I don't care about your "site". |
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| 18:08.50 | greycat | (From #bash:) Just go to #debian and say "I have a ... on Debian ... with kernel ... and fdisk -l /dev/sdc shows ..... and I'm trying to mount /dev/sdc7 and it says ``___________''" |
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| 18:09.16 | CyzarX | greycat, are u crusty? |
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| 18:09.34 | alemao | . . . |
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| 18:10.22 | Nwallins | on reboot after sarge netinst, i'm getting "note: mount[191] exited with preempt_count 1" this halts the machine (AMD K6-300) |
| 18:10.28 | LSorensen | darkskiez: I guess #debian-pcc/join #Debianppc |
| 18:10.32 | LSorensen | oops |
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| 18:11.01 | sorahn | sorry, didnt know there wa san #apache channel, dont mind me =) |
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| 18:12.23 | Nwallins | i did some googling and apparently it' |
| 18:12.34 | Nwallins | it's a kernel panic message, but i don't know how to proceed |
| 18:12.39 | dvs | Souza10: Do you know if the network card were detected? |
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| 18:13.51 | jdnewmil | my boot problem with kernel-image-2.6.8-2 seems to be that udev doesn't identify /dev/sdaN... I am able to access /dev/.static/dev/sda2 which triggers the creation of /dev/sdaN and then I can mount the drive... what is the right way to tell udev to do this on bootup? |
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| 18:14.24 | greycat | nice ident.... |
| 18:14.29 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
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| 18:14.40 | thingfish | yes, very sophisticated. |
| 18:15.03 | thingfish | he probably doesn't have one. |
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| 18:15.27 | FieldySnuts | wee |
| 18:15.48 | Nwallins | any idea why mount[191] exited with preempt_count 1? |
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| 18:18.52 | capitol | hi, I'm having some trouble getting alsa to work |
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| 18:19.07 | capitol | currently I don't get any sound at all |
| 18:19.14 | Nwallins | is there any recourse, or should i give up on sarge? i can't even log in |
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| 18:21.04 | PlanarPlatypus | capitol, I assume you have checked your mixer settings, they default to muted |
| 18:21.23 | PlanarPlatypus | Nwallins, is this a fresh install? |
| 18:21.24 | jdnewmil | Nwallins : sarge works pretty well for me ... I have no idea what "mount[191]" is |
| 18:22.30 | capitol | PlanarPlatypus: yes |
| 18:22.42 | capitol | PlanarPlatypus: it's not that |
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| 18:23.11 | PlanarPlatypus | capitol, try cat /dev/urnadom > /dev/dsp |
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| 18:23.35 | PlanarPlatypus | if that gives you static then alsa works and it is an application problem |
| 18:24.09 | PlanarPlatypus | */dev/urandom |
| 18:24.12 | capitol | PlanarPlatypus: no it doesn't |
| 18:24.31 | PlanarPlatypus | right |
| 18:24.39 | PlanarPlatypus | what soundcard do you have? |
| 18:24.39 | capitol | I'm quite sure it's somewhere in alsa |
| 18:24.46 | capitol | intel 8x0 |
| 18:24.59 | dvs | capitol: Did you add yourself to the audio group? |
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| 18:25.06 | capitol | dvs: yes |
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| 18:25.19 | travisat | capitol: and alsaconf works correctlyt |
| 18:25.22 | dvs | capitol: Have you already logged out and back in again? |
| 18:25.49 | capitol | dvs: yes |
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| 18:26.24 | capitol | travisat: ahh I didn't know about alsaconf |
| 18:26.37 | Nwallins | PlanarPlatypus: yes, wiped the entire disk, latest sarge netinst iso. booted linux26, trying 2.4 default now |
| 18:26.44 | cahoot | capitol: made sure no oss module is loaded? |
| 18:26.49 | Nwallins | it's an old AMD K6-300 w/ 196 MB ram |
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| 18:26.58 | lewis | when i try to install libncurses5-dev on debian stable, i get: libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.2.20020112a-7) but 5.3.20030719-2 is to be installed |
| 18:27.16 | Nwallins | jdnewmil: i think the kernel is trying to mount the filesystem and has an error |
| 18:27.21 | capitol | travisat: It says that it cant find any pci cards are found, know I have somewhere to start troubleshooting |
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| 18:27.50 | lewis | i couldn't reinstall libncurses5, and have apt-get updated/upgraded - any ideas? |
| 18:28.11 | capitol | travisat: could it be that it tries to probe for modules |
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| 18:28.37 | capitol | travisat: I currently have all alsa stuff compiled in |
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| 18:29.28 | PlanarPlatypus | capitol, does your card show un in lspci? |
| 18:29.32 | PlanarPlatypus | *in |
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| 18:29.41 | dvs | capitol: lspic | grep audio |
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| 18:29.56 | dvs | capitol: lspci | grep audio |
| 18:31.23 | capitol | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:31.46 | dvs | capitol: OK. thats the snd_intel8x0 module |
| 18:32.00 | capitol | dvs: yes :) I have that compiled in |
| 18:32.42 | dvs | capitol: Do you have snd_pcm_oss compiled in? |
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| 18:33.08 | capitol | 2 sec |
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| 18:33.34 | capitol | dvs: yes |
| 18:34.21 | dvs | capitol: If "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" doesn't work then it's probably a mixer problem |
| 18:34.29 | capitol | ok |
| 18:34.30 | dvs | or a speaker problem |
| 18:35.08 | capitol | dvs: not a speaker problem, I have tried to boot a friends hd in my laptop and that worked |
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| 18:35.45 | dvs | capitol: Try unmuting other sliders as well. |
| 18:35.53 | capitol | done that |
| 18:36.01 | FieldySnuts | crap.zip 24% 14MB 51.6KB/s 14:11 ETA |
| 18:36.02 | FieldySnuts | yawn... |
| 18:36.42 | greycat | capitol: I did an install on laptop with i810 audio in it recently. the OSS i810_audio driver caused the kernel to Oops and crash, hard. The ALSA driver never made any sound at all in the brief time I played with it before giving it over to the doctor who owned it. Good luck. |
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| 18:37.02 | PlanarPlatypus | capitol, do you have the OSS driver installed as well? |
| 18:37.04 | capitol | greycat: heh thanks |
| 18:37.08 | capitol | PlanarPlatypus: no |
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| 18:37.19 | capitol | PlanarPlatypus: only the alsa-oss stuff |
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| 18:37.44 | dvs | capitol: Do you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
| 18:37.51 | capitol | yes |
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| 18:39.11 | Nick0r | does anyone have any ideas how to add a catch all (or default) for one specific domain using qmail? |
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| 18:39.44 | caphuso | Nick0r: better ask in #qmail |
| 18:39.46 | greycat | Nick0r: .qmail-default, duh. |
| 18:39.59 | nerv | <--Debian n00b. The picture is off to the right by like an inch an a half or two. What program can I use to center the picture? |
| 18:40.11 | FieldySnuts | @n00b |
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| 18:40.12 | ravenbird | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:40.15 | Nick0r | greycat .qmail-default in /var/qmail/alias will work for every domain |
| 18:40.18 | nerv | Hehe |
| 18:40.21 | Nick0r | not just one |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | Nick0r: /var/qmail/doc/FAQ #3.2 |
| 18:40.28 | Nick0r | err ok |
| 18:40.38 | Delph | which picture? |
| 18:40.45 | nerv | The display in general |
| 18:40.55 | dvs | virtual desktop |
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| 18:41.42 | travisat | nerv, um manually adjust your monitor? |
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| 18:42.26 | nerv | So its the monitor an not debian? |
| 18:42.31 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 18:42.38 | FieldySnuts | it usually is the monitor itself, just use it's adjustments |
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| 18:42.50 | nerv | Mmk. I wonder how it got outa whack |
| 18:42.58 | travisat | nerv: driver |
| 18:43.14 | travisat | some of them aren't that great |
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| 18:43.51 | Cyanophytes | anyone here use an HP K80 printer or something simillar with debian |
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| 18:43.57 | nerv | Ah |
| 18:44.03 | nerv | Thanks guys |
| 18:44.08 | mlalkaka | i have a question about local/obsolete debian packages. after reloading my sources, i have a lot of local/obsolete packages which weren't local/obsolete before. what does local/obsolete mean in this sense? |
| 18:44.23 | travisat | nerv: you wouldn't happen to be using nv for your vid driver |
| 18:45.20 | greycat | mlalkaka: no longer in the sources that dselect knows about |
| 18:45.22 | nerv | I should be using ati |
| 18:45.37 | travisat | hmmm, never seent that messup |
| 18:45.38 | thorie | i hate spam |
| 18:45.49 | thorie | why do i have to get 300 spam mails every day |
| 18:46.03 | FieldySnuts | because you're stuck with that lotus crap (wasn't that you?) |
| 18:46.05 | ricky_clarkson | Because you are billg@microsoft.com |
| 18:46.07 | mlalkaka | greycat, so for example, all my installed webmin packages have been made local/obsolete. does this mean that webmin packages are no longer in the debian distribution? |
| 18:46.16 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, day, not minute, sorry. |
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| 18:46.45 | dvs | mlalkaka: exactly |
| 18:46.47 | ricky_clarkson | I find Yahoo mail's spam filters not bad, except they still think Debian Weekly News is spam. |
| 18:46.59 | nerv | Oh, what do I use to configure x? Cause when I used X86Config it broke everything last time |
| 18:47.08 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx nerv |
| 18:47.09 | dpkg | nerv: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:47.16 | cusco | gmail spam system is good |
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| 18:47.22 | nerv | Mucho gracias |
| 18:47.23 | ricky_clarkson | cusco: I disagree. |
| 18:47.34 | cusco | why? |
| 18:47.38 | mlalkaka | dvs, greycat: but why would an application like webmin be taken out? this has been done for other useful programs. will they be added again? |
| 18:47.41 | ricky_clarkson | cusco: I see quite a few emails that are just foreign characters, more than real mails. |
| 18:47.43 | Badenser | Hi all ... does someone know why there is no idled in the cyrus package? Is there a problem with idled? |
| 18:47.47 | greycat | webmin isn't "obsolete". It's "horrifying". |
| 18:47.51 | FieldySnuts | @webmin |
| 18:47.52 | ravenbird | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it! |
| 18:48.02 | greycat | !webmin |
| 18:48.02 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 18:48.11 | FieldySnuts | anyway |
| 18:48.27 | dvs | mlalkaka: I don't know why it was removed. |
| 18:48.38 | greycat | a sudden outburst of sense? |
| 18:48.43 | ricky_clarkson | !make sense |
| 18:48.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:48.47 | greycat | no no, couldn't be that. they added sndconfig. |
| 18:48.54 | Tails | not that webmin crap again |
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| 18:49.02 | ricky_clarkson | !make sense is <reply>make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
| 18:49.03 | dpkg | is <reply>make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop., sense you no make. Know you language the in used #debian? |
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| 18:49.04 | Nick0r | greycat is there any way to diagnose what is making an email address go to a specific user, because i'm 1000% sure i've changed it all correctly, virtualdomains, rcpthosts, restarted qmail but it's still sending it to my catchall for all domains, rather than this one-specific |
| 18:49.06 | Nick0r | any ideas? |
| 18:49.07 | FieldySnuts | @hump webmin |
| 18:49.13 | ricky_clarkson | !cmd: make sense is <reply>make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
| 18:49.16 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi? |
| 18:49.29 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 18:49.29 | alexscott | plop |
| 18:49.40 | greycat | Nick0r: 10:1 odds you have the domain in locals as well as virtualdomains. That would be dumb. (But not as dumb as asking #debian instead of #qmail.) |
| 18:49.59 | Nick0r | nope it's not in locals |
| 18:50.05 | mlalkaka | why is webmin so unsafe? it is encrypted, requires root password. (this may be naive of me but how else will i learn) |
| 18:50.17 | Nick0r | locals has my IP address |
| 18:50.20 | Nick0r | and one other domain |
| 18:50.22 | Nick0r | (not that one) |
| 18:50.26 | greycat | mlalkaka: the *real* reason is because it divorces you from knowledge of what you are actually *doing*. |
| 18:50.31 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | i'm trying to execute a script for adding users from a php script, i am using suexec in apache for php, the script needs to run as root but obvisouly i dont want to use root as the user in apache so is there a way for the user say 'user1' to be the ONLY user to be able to execute the script as root? |
| 18:50.52 | cusco | im having this really nasty thooth ache :( |
| 18:50.58 | greycat | MaDsCiEnTiSt: user groups. |
| 18:51.14 | greycat | cusco: see a dentist. |
| 18:51.20 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 18:51.26 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | Ŧgreycatŧ crate an admin group then use suid ? |
| 18:51.32 | cusco | I did... thats why! :( |
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| 18:51.51 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | SGID even |
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| 18:52.46 | greycat | MaDsCiEnTiSt: you *can't* use setuid on a script.... |
| 18:52.52 | greycat | unless it's perl. special case. |
| 18:52.59 | dvs | cusco: sue the dentist ;-) |
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| 18:53.24 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | Ŧgreycatŧ ok its bash, do you know of any other way |
| 18:53.25 | ricky_clarkson | cusco: See a boxer, it's quicker. |
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| 18:53.28 | mdadmtime | mdadm is awesome |
| 18:53.34 | mlalkaka | greycat, dvs: but why is gstreamer obsolete as well? |
| 18:53.35 | ludi | How do I install KDE? Is there a meta package? |
| 18:53.41 | ricky_clarkson | !info kde |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:43 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 18:53.53 | dvs | mlalkaka: I have no idea why these packages go obsolete |
| 18:54.02 | greycat | mlalkaka: packages.debian.org |
| 18:54.06 | greycat | !testing excuses |
| 18:54.06 | dpkg | it has been said that testing excuses is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html or http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 18:54.12 | P\deb | ludi, apt-cache search kde |more |
| 18:54.29 | ricky_clarkson | KDE is 40KB, woohoo! |
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| 18:54.46 | mlalkaka | dvs, well my real question is then what should i do with these obsolete packages? should i uninstall them or keep them? |
| 18:54.49 | dvs | Talk about optimization! |
| 18:55.03 | dvs | mlalkaka: If they still work, keep them. |
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| 18:56.08 | mdadmtime | but mdadm sure could improve its error messages... i keep getting failed to add blah to blahblah..: invalid argument... |
| 18:56.10 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | does anyone know of an alternative to using SGUID with bash scripts seen as it wont work that way? |
| 18:56.12 | mlalkaka | dvs, so it's not unsafe? |
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| 18:56.23 | dvs | mlalkaka: No, not at all |
| 18:56.23 | mdadmtime | but looking at the man page i am doing everything ok..mdadm needs better error messages |
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| 18:56.29 | greycat | MaDsCiEnTiSt: sudo |
| 18:56.38 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | aha the magik word |
| 18:56.47 | mlalkaka | dvs, greycat: alright, thanks for your help |
| 18:56.52 | mdadmtime | any mdadm maestros here? |
| 18:56.56 | dvs | mlalkaka: no problem |
| 18:57.57 | dvs | ravenbird quit? |
| 18:57.59 | mlalkaka | is it possible to have scsi-emulation for my cd-writer as well as ide support (ie. will still have /dev/hdc but i will also have a scsi emulation interface to the device so i can use cdburning programs more effectively) |
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| 18:58.25 | ludi | so apt-get install kde? that's it? |
| 18:58.36 | helix | yeah, debian is amaaaaaazing |
| 18:58.50 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | apparently any version of sudo previous to 1.6.8p7 suffer from a serious security flaw, it's still at 1.6.8p5 in stable |
| 18:59.10 | dvs | mlalkaka: Why do you still want to use /dev/hdc? |
| 18:59.46 | KimHansen | mlalkaka: Do you still use kernel 2.4 ? |
| 18:59.58 | mdadmtime | also any good book recommendations for learning to adminster a debian machine? |
| 19:00.34 | greycat | dvs: ravenbird and simonrvn eloped to OFTC |
| 19:00.34 | mlalkaka | dvs, well isn't there any benefit of using ide drivers for for an ide device? i use kernel 2.6.8 |
| 19:00.34 | dvs | greycat: ;-) |
| 19:00.34 | mlalkaka | KimHansen, i use kernel 2.6.8 |
| 19:00.42 | dvs | mlalkaka: Not with 2.6.8. SCSI CD writing is discouraged. |
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| 19:01.49 | Souza10 | Could anybody help me with adsl-start? An message appears: modprobe: Can't locate module 1, pppoe[903] ioctl(SIOCGIFHWADDR): Session 0: No such device , but the device is working. |
| 19:02.24 | Overand | Souza10: apt-cache search pppoe maybe? |
| 19:02.58 | Gathond | MaDsCiEnTiSt: check the changelog of the debian package, that flaw have probably been fixed in it |
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| 19:03.23 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | ŦGathondŧ k, cheers |
| 19:03.43 | mlalkaka | dvs, but when i use xcdroast, for example, it takes forever to read the drive because i'm using ATAPI instead of SCSI emulation and ATAPI still doesn't have DMA support |
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| 19:07.31 | MaDsCiEnTiSt | ok im kind of confused, looking at the readme for sudo i cant see how i can let the user 'admin' only execute /sbin/newuser as root, any guidlines |
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| 19:07.58 | Panzerboy | hi all |
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| 19:08.39 | Panzerboy | any xen users around? |
| 19:08.42 | cusco | no |
| 19:08.44 | dvs | mlalkaka: I just reran xcdroast and I could enter "/dev/hdc" as a device and it's not ATAPI |
| 19:08.45 | cusco | :p |
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| 19:09.02 | cusco | only users with thooth ache |
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| 19:09.11 | Panzerboy | cusco: heh |
| 19:09.15 | mlalkaka | dvs, did you enter it manually or did you use the automatic scan? |
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| 19:09.28 | cusco | like me :( |
| 19:09.34 | dvs | mlalkaka: Manually. |
| 19:09.37 | arkaoss | what're some built in simple debian apps to monitor drivespace usage?? or are there any? anyone have any favorites? |
| 19:09.37 | mlalkaka | dvs, for me, right now it the device is ATAPI:0,0,0. |
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| 19:10.31 | petemc | arkaoss: du and df |
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| 19:12.08 | arkaoss | i'm having trouble printing to a linux /debian hosted printer from an XP box.. damn thing keeps crashing the windows spooler.. can't figure out what the heck is going on |
| 19:12.12 | trappe | bsr |
| 19:12.17 | mlalkaka | dvs, oh i see. i was doing the automatic scan, which would find it as ATAPI:0,0,0 which is like a mix of scsi with ATAPI (i think?). but when i manually add it uses straight ide drivers? |
| 19:12.22 | arkaoss | not sure if it's the windows or the linux.. |
| 19:12.22 | Eclipser | dang it |
| 19:12.28 | ricky_clarkson | cusco: Maybe your toothache is caused by your tendency to lithp when you thay thooth. |
| 19:12.28 | dvs | mlalkaka: It does for me. |
| 19:12.33 | mrhemlock | I think i have found a bug in building perl. The issue is that i can do it as real root, but not using fake root, how should i pursue this ? (the issue is that fakeroot will not do ldconfig properly, i think) |
| 19:12.55 | Eclipser | fglrx compilation fails on 2.6.x kernel, has anyone been able to solve this? |
| 19:12.59 | ricky_clarkson | mrhemlock: apt-get install perl, probably. |
| 19:13.11 | mlalkaka | dvs, ok so with 2.6 kernels it's best to add it manually and use ide drivers |
| 19:13.17 | dvs | mlalkaka: yes |
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| 19:13.21 | mlalkaka | dvs, wow thanks for your help again |
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| 19:13.33 | dvs | mlalkaka: Don't thank me yet on this problem |
| 19:13.35 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 19:14.05 | mrhemlock | ricky_clarkson, no i needed to build it fo make iper-doc.info file. I can build it as root, but not fakeroot ;) i just need to know if this is bug ? |
| 19:14.09 | RRT | how do I find out what version of libc I have? |
| 19:14.24 | quiet | hrm.. xdm is supposed to come up on boot.. and it is the last thing listed in the boot order.. but it doesn't start... where do i satrt for troubleshooting? |
| 19:14.25 | Skiver | hi, may i know the command to display current system time ? |
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| 19:14.28 | devilx | Hi |
| 19:14.32 | asg | Skiver: uptime |
| 19:14.40 | devilx | Could anybody please tell me how I could create an ISO File on my Hard Disk out of a DVD? |
| 19:14.41 | caphuso | RRT: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 19:14.45 | devilx | dd if=/dev/dvd of=./bla.iso doesn't really work... it copies only the first 380 mb |
| 19:14.45 | bung__ | asg: date, surely? |
| 19:14.50 | RRT | thx |
| 19:14.51 | asg | Skiver: date if you want too |
| 19:15.01 | asg | bung__: uptime lists the time also |
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| 19:15.14 | bung__ | ah, so it does. |
| 19:15.15 | dvs | devilx: Did you run sync afterwards? |
| 19:15.18 | greycat | quiet: runlevel; ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:15.25 | devilx | dvhart, sync? |
| 19:15.25 | Skiver | thanks asg. |
| 19:15.26 | devilx | sry |
| 19:15.31 | devilx | dvs, sync? |
| 19:15.39 | dvs | devilx: yup |
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| 19:15.46 | devilx | dvs, what's this? |
| 19:15.57 | dvs | devilx: It flushes the buffers out. |
| 19:16.01 | peppo | I can't manage to build realtime-lsm for 2.6.10 -- there's no binary module distributed for 2.6.10 yet :/ |
| 19:16.03 | quiet | greycat, what am I looking for? i have an entry for S99xdm |
| 19:16.13 | devilx | dvs, do you think linux buffers around 6gig? |
| 19:16.14 | pw | where should a chap put a small svn repository? |
| 19:16.15 | peppo | seems I have to have a kernel tree built for the realtime module to compile properly |
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| 19:16.19 | pw | I'm thinking /var/lib/svn |
| 19:16.23 | asg | !kill Solaris 2.6 |
| 19:16.36 | pw | I know I can put it where I'd like, but I'm a tidy-minded soul. |
| 19:16.39 | quiet | 2.6?? wow |
| 19:17.03 | dvs | devilx: Maybe ;-) but sync will make sure all the stuff that needs to be written gets written |
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| 19:17.24 | devilx | dvs, okay, thanks, I'll try it immediately again... |
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| 19:17.35 | dvs | devilx: ok |
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| 19:18.07 | greycat | so put ./Maildir/ or something |
| 19:18.28 | peppo | I can't manage to build realtime-lsm for 2.6.10 -- there's no binary module distributed for 2.6.10 yet :/ has anyone else managed to build it? |
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| 19:22.58 | rng | There this command line application that is able to dump your hardware info to a text file, can anyone tell me the name of it as I have forgotten? |
| 19:23.12 | greycat | lspci would be a good start |
| 19:23.24 | greycat | but you probably have some sort of fancy shmancy script in mind |
| 19:23.34 | rng | greycat, not a good start, even better, the one I was thinking about, thanks |
| 19:23.44 | FieldySnuts | how is that not a good start |
| 19:23.53 | greycat | FieldySnuts: he means "it's the end" |
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| 19:24.33 | mdadmtime | what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? |
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| 19:24.46 | asg | mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
| 19:24.58 | greycat | heh |
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| 19:25.28 | orzel | i've just deboostraped a sid, and all lines in /etc/apt/source* contain "testing", is that ok ? |
| 19:25.40 | orzel | i thought sarge==testing and sid==unstable, ain't it so ? |
| 19:25.45 | mdadmtime | asg: cute |
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| 19:26.14 | FieldySnuts | mdadmtime: one of the raid members is no longer in the array, and needs put back. that might mean replacing that disk etc. btw, nice nick |
| 19:26.38 | mrhemlock | orzel, soon sarge may become stable |
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| 19:26.52 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd69 is <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
| 19:26.52 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:26.59 | greycat | dpkg, qtodx =~ s/59 60 65 66 67 69 // |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | greycat: i didn't have anything called 'qtodx' to modify |
| 19:27.02 | asg | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root other 20 Jul 27 1999 /u/TOADS.TEMP/D_SYS_OPERATOR/ÐÁÓÓŨÏŌÄ (wtf?) |
| 19:27.05 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/59 60 65 66 67 69 // |
| 19:27.05 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:27.06 | mdadmtime | fieldysnuts: but the disk is brand new.... |
| 19:27.09 | test | i'm wondering how I can enable encrypted file support in debian :S |
| 19:27.14 | orzel | mrhemlock: sure, but i've got lot of dep pb, and i wonder if that could be that those lines are wrong in source ?? |
| 19:27.24 | test | some tools I could use? |
| 19:27.49 | FieldySnuts | mdadmtime: just try and find out which one it is, and add it back anyway. |
| 19:27.53 | asg | greycat: oh, I'll have to update my fortune file |
| 19:27.56 | cHaPlinux | how to configure the keyboard abnt2 in xdosemu? |
| 19:28.17 | YouCeyE | i need some help; i have one ata drive (windows xp) and one sata drive (debian).. i have ntldr on mbr and grub on sata drive.. i can not dual boot by just copying first 512 bytes of sata drive and referencing it in boot.ini |
| 19:28.30 | mdadmtime | fieldysnuts: whatcha mean add it back? you mean mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 /dev/hde1 ? |
| 19:28.49 | FieldySnuts | mdadmtime: I don't know, i'm used to raidtools or whatever |
| 19:28.59 | FieldySnuts | and I haven't run software raid in a long time |
| 19:29.13 | mrhemlock | orzel, dependancy problems ? you have non debian in sources.list then ? |
| 19:29.17 | FieldySnuts | but sometimes one of my members would fall out if I had an unclean shutdown or so, and would sometimes have to shove it back in |
| 19:29.26 | FieldySnuts | at which point the array would get reconstructed. |
| 19:29.34 | mdadmtime | fieldysnuts: no raid at all for you? or are you doing hw raid? |
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| 19:29.47 | FieldySnuts | i just covered all that |
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| 19:30.34 | saax | hello im using ubuntoo and i have i deb file but cant open it HELP |
| 19:30.55 | FieldySnuts | saax: wrong channel, this is for 100% debian, you want to go to #ubuntu . |
| 19:31.00 | orzel | mrhemlock: of course not. only three lines. debian all |
| 19:31.10 | YouCeyE | i need some help; i have one ata drive (windows xp) and one sata drive (debian).. i have ntldr on mbr and grub on sata drive.. i can not dual boot by just copying first 512 bytes of sata drive and referencing it in boot.ini |
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| 19:31.28 | FieldySnuts | whew |
| 19:31.33 | peppo | hm! |
| 19:31.39 | peppo | I need a realtime-lsm module for 2.6.10 :/ |
| 19:31.40 | mrhemlock | orzel, then problems are probably bugs !! |
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| 19:32.18 | mrhemlock | pepperpot, why do you need 2.6.10 ? |
| 19:32.34 | orzel | mrhemlock: it seems i actually have a sarge, hence those lines were wrong in sources. but i did a 'deboostrap sid ./sid/' so... ????? |
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| 19:33.21 | mrhemlock | orzel, and the bebootstrap didnt work ? |
| 19:33.50 | orzel | mrhemlock: it did. but it seems it didn't do what expected |
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| 19:34.12 | orzel | mrhemlock: btw, deboostrap failed (miserably ? :) with sarge. others have the same pb here |
| 19:34.32 | YouCeyE | hi.. anyone pls help me with dual booting and bios problems |
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| 19:34.50 | FieldySnuts | and spelling |
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| 19:34.56 | mrhemlock | orzel, i just did one yesterday, i have not fully tested but it worked for me on sarge |
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| 19:35.05 | typo | how do I force apt-get to downgrade a package? |
| 19:35.24 | orzel | mrhemlock: lucky you :) it fails with a 'cant download XX package'. i've tried several mirrors |
| 19:35.30 | kbrooks | typo, you don't. why do you want to? |
| 19:35.32 | mrhemlock | orzel, do stable, and then upgrade , should be workaround |
| 19:36.11 | typo | kbrooks: replacing debian sid's base-files with ubuntu's |
| 19:36.19 | mrhemlock | orzel, what file do you need, i am on slow connection, i can dcc it to you |
| 19:36.22 | stouset | typo: ...why on earth would you do that? |
| 19:36.31 | kbrooks | typo, don't!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:36.32 | stouset | typo: Not trying to be a jackass. Curious, at the least. |
| 19:36.44 | typo | stouset: because I'm changing from sid do hoary |
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| 19:36.48 | typo | kbrooks: why not? |
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| 19:37.06 | kbrooks | typo, debian sid != ubuntu |
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| 19:37.17 | stouset | typo: Then install hoary. Trying to just do a drop-in replace with all the packages is a very, very bad idea. |
| 19:37.23 | stouset | typo: And will probably leave your system hosed. |
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| 19:37.33 | typo | stouset: why's that? |
| 19:37.40 | FieldySnuts | geez, it's common sense, that's why |
| 19:37.46 | FieldySnuts | but go ahead, try it. |
| 19:37.53 | typo | rightt |
| 19:38.00 | orzel | mrhemlock: i dont need the file, i need a clean&working install. I've done a apt-get dist-upgrade, hope it's ok ... |
| 19:38.01 | kbrooks | typo, because the debian sid version is much newer than the ubuntu's. |
| 19:38.04 | ricky_clarkson | That's the thing about common sense. It isn't. |
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| 19:38.11 | FieldySnuts | if you do something like that, remember it's no longer debian, so definately don't ask #debian for help |
| 19:38.18 | stouset | typo: Because the install does more than just put packages into place. |
| 19:38.19 | orzel | mrhemlock: thx anyway :) |
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| 19:38.28 | typo | stouset: like what? |
| 19:38.36 | FieldySnuts | stouset: uphill battle. give up. |
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| 19:38.41 | mrhemlock | orzel, glk |
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| 19:38.47 | orzel | thx:) |
| 19:38.48 | roods | how do i use tr to make all upper case letters to lower case |
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| 19:38.57 | greycat | tr A-Z a-z |
| 19:39.03 | typo | FieldySnuts: I'd like to know |
| 19:39.03 | kbrooks | typo: just because ubuntu is based on deban sid doesnt mean they are ALL the same |
| 19:39.10 | greycat | for US/ASCII, at least. |
| 19:39.11 | typo | kbrooks: of course not |
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| 19:39.14 | Jalk | hi. under debian how do i see if i have dhcp client working? |
| 19:39.15 | kbrooks | typo: LOOK!!!!!! |
| 19:39.17 | typo | kbrooks: but I've been able to upgrade so far |
| 19:39.18 | greycat | there's a fancier way for non-ASCII letters |
| 19:39.19 | mdadmtime | any mdadm people online? |
| 19:39.20 | FieldySnuts | like i said, it's common sense. if you don't understand, forget it. |
| 19:39.25 | Eclipser | how do I apply a .diff patch to source? |
| 19:39.25 | roods | greycat, that isn't working with my tr |
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| 19:39.34 | FieldySnuts | you seem to know better than us so have at it, just remember it won't be debian anymore so don't come to us for help |
| 19:39.34 | kbrooks | typo: debian sid is newer than ubuntu, period |
| 19:39.53 | greycat | roods: then you're not doing it right. |
| 19:39.56 | typo | kbrooks: on some things, yes, those I have to downgrade |
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| 19:39.59 | stouset | typo: So far. It's likely that the problems encountered by going down that method will not be large and obvious, but be subtle and terrifying. |
| 19:40.11 | greycat | kbrooks: its gnome packages might not be |
| 19:40.16 | roods | greycat, weird |
| 19:40.20 | kbrooks | (FieldySnuts: is what i just said right?) |
| 19:40.20 | ricky_clarkson | Eclipser: man patch |
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| 19:40.24 | DaveMurray | hey, fellas, i'm using a usb modem and i want to ask if there is a way to run the modem on debian ??? |
| 19:40.25 | stouset | typo: Okay, how about we make this easy. What do you think will be harder? Trying to manually install all packages from Ubuntu's source tree, or just running through the Ubuntu install and telling it not to format your /home partition? |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | roods: you are? good. weirdness helps. |
| 19:40.42 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: don't know. all i know is that trying to shove one distro down the throat of an existing install is asking for major trouble. |
| 19:40.48 | torpet | hi all :) |
| 19:40.56 | greycat | (hint: this would be the part where you show us the COMMAND you are RUNNING, and what its output is) |
| 19:40.57 | DaveMurray | hello |
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| 19:41.02 | typo | stouset: doing that will lose my configurations, but might be a better option I guess |
| 19:41.05 | Eclipser | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
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| 19:41.07 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, yes, and the install will choke |
| 19:41.09 | FieldySnuts | you'll severely break it, then have to start over anyway, which is what ya should have done anyway |
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| 19:41.30 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, and you will have to adopt someone else |
| 19:41.35 | FieldySnuts | anyway uphill battle and all that, ahve fun |
| 19:41.38 | kbrooks | (btw, nice analogy) |
| 19:41.56 | DaveMurray | i'm using a usb modem and i want to ask if there is a way to run the modem on debian ??? |
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| 19:42.27 | FieldySnuts | DaveMurray: usually the technology used over the usb cable is proprietary, so the answer is usually no. in a few cases you can, but I'm not aware of any, nor how to do it anyway |
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| 19:42.43 | FieldySnuts | @fuck manufacturers who think only windows exists |
| 19:42.49 | DaveMurray | thx, i got a lot of howtos about that |
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| 19:43.00 | kbrooks | stouset, you have a point there |
| 19:43.03 | DaveMurray | but it hasnt worked yet |
| 19:43.03 | FieldySnuts | yeah some big acronym starting with C, been a while |
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| 19:43.27 | kbrooks | btw, please dont call me an idiot for this, but what does +E do? |
| 19:43.31 | FieldySnuts | probably be a lot easier to get one with at least an ethernet interface |
| 19:43.41 | torpet | are there submount-module-source for debian |
| 19:43.42 | torpet | ? |
| 19:43.48 | DaveMurray | yes |
| 19:43.53 | FieldySnuts | i know often ISP's won't give you one, i went through that crap and had to buy one with my own money. jerks |
| 19:43.57 | Plugster | hi, i have a problem with my DNS server, can anyone please help? |
| 19:44.09 | torpet | ask |
| 19:44.09 | FieldySnuts | Plugster: can you give us more info? |
| 19:44.13 | torpet | *g* |
| 19:44.32 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, my isp gave me just usb and a modem. |
| 19:44.34 | torpet | folks, is there a submount-module-source package availabe for debian? |
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| 19:44.50 | Plugster | i have bought a virtual server, and got a ReverseDNS, but since i'm not a linux guru i should need help setting it up... |
| 19:45.08 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, they also gave me this proprietary shit program that worked on win32 only |
| 19:45.10 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: I was in shock, because when I talked to them when ordering it, mentioned linux and they just came right out and said "oh ours don't work on linux, you would have to get your own" |
| 19:45.30 | FieldySnuts | which is why I didn't mind getting my own, i would have if they set it up, sent me the stuff and THEN i found out |
| 19:45.33 | mdadmtime | whats the best channel to go to if i have a mdadm question? i guess that isnt particular to debian |
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| 19:46.26 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, my grandfather had to buy me ethernet cable and a nic so that i could make a sucessful switch to linux |
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| 19:46.44 | Plugster | to the one how wan to help me setting it up, can have an account on it |
| 19:46.45 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, (clifford ilkay recommended it) |
| 19:46.47 | stouset | typo: doing a Debian -> Ubuntu upgrade is far more likely to fuck you up in subtle, mysterious, and terrifying ways though =P |
| 19:46.58 | YouCeyE | how can i use a bad .config file for building a kernel.. |
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| 19:47.10 | torpet | Plugster: Give me the root account and i'll do it :) |
| 19:47.12 | stouset | YouCeyE: A "bad" .config file? |
| 19:47.16 | torpet | joke |
| 19:47.18 | greycat | stouset: that is not an upgrade. |
| 19:47.20 | sorcre | Hello, Im trying to install something but it says I don't have libstdc++. But under synaptic, it says I have 2.10. Can someone help me? |
| 19:47.20 | typo | stouset: I'm sold |
| 19:47.23 | dvs | YouCeyE: You can't I imagine |
| 19:47.25 | FieldySnuts | YouCeyE: copying it to the base of the kernel source, then doing a make oldconfig *might* be able to pull in the useful parts, and at the end it saves over that .config |
| 19:47.31 | stouset | greycat: semantics :-) I know. |
| 19:47.41 | typo | but the awnser to my original question was to add something to /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 19:47.42 | FieldySnuts | YouCeyE: if that works, I would still do make menuconfig and verify everything is as you want it. the missing bits might need set again. |
| 19:47.46 | dripOl | hello |
| 19:47.46 | greycat | sorcre: "something". Jesus. |
| 19:47.50 | kbrooks | 'i'm sold' means WHAT? |
| 19:47.59 | YouCeyE | thanks FieldySnuts |
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| 19:48.04 | greycat | I suppose "I don't have libstdc++" is the exact error message, too. |
| 19:48.06 | typo | kbrooks: that I'm instaling from scratch |
| 19:48.14 | sorcre | And by something I mean several programs that give me that issue. But right now I'm trying to setup firefox |
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| 19:48.43 | tarzeau | la la laa laaa |
| 19:48.45 | stouset | typo: We don't really like answering questions when we have a sinking feeling that it's going to hose your system :-) Unfortunately, none of us can tell you exactly what's going to happen if you go about it the way you were suggesting. But experience, a little foresight, and maybe a bit of paranoia tells me (and some of the others here, apparently) that *something* is likely to go horribly, horribly wrong. |
| 19:48.52 | kbrooks | typo, *calms down* :) |
| 19:49.07 | greycat | !tell sorcre about msg |
| 19:49.13 | daveo | argh... can't get php mail() to work. Exim works fine but not php |
| 19:49.15 | greycat | !tell sorcre about bobbitt |
| 19:49.19 | asg | tarzeau: WWIV? |
| 19:49.41 | FieldySnuts | wth is bobbitt? do i want to know? |
| 19:49.45 | YouCeyE | ' invalid for LOG_BUF_SHIFT4 make[1]: *** [oldconfig] Error 1 .. this is the error i am getting for make old config |
| 19:49.47 | stouset | FieldySnuts: See? Not as uphill as you'd think :-) |
| 19:49.52 | asg | FieldySnuts: she cut her husband's dick off |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | FieldySnuts: Lorena Bobbitt. Google it. |
| 19:49.59 | FieldySnuts | stouset: yeah I know i'm just an impatient bitch. |
| 19:50.00 | typo | kbrooks: stouset: fine, but there are a few success cases in the ubuntu pages |
| 19:50.06 | dvs | YouCeyE: That's part of an error message |
| 19:50.08 | FieldySnuts | greycat: oh i know about that... but the factoid, heh, what on earth is it |
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| 19:50.19 | FieldySnuts | i'd ask it myself, but well, you know.. |
| 19:50.21 | tarzeau | dpkg wwiv |
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| 19:50.25 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 19:50.25 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
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| 19:50.30 | floormade3 | hi, i was running a 2.4 kernel and my eth0 device was up and running using dhcp. i upgraded to 2.6 and included my card driver, but eth0 was no longer up. i tried doing "dhclient eth0" but it gave me "unrecognizable kernel version". any idea? |
| 19:50.32 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 19:50.33 | tarzeau | apt gender |
| 19:50.34 | apt | I'm pregnant |
| 19:50.38 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 19:50.41 | asg | tarzeau: it isn't packaged (old bbs software we ran in '92 or so) |
| 19:50.45 | FieldySnuts | was it ravenbird? he's such a stud |
| 19:50.54 | kbrooks | greycat, explain the factoid? |
| 19:51.01 | FieldySnuts | there used to be a rape factoid, all it said was "but then it wouldn't be rape..." |
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| 19:51.08 | greycat | kbrooks: Lorena Bobbitt. Google it. |
| 19:51.09 | tarzeau | asg: no a music player -- i'll package it don't werry :) http://www.cubic.org/player/ |
| 19:51.24 | FieldySnuts | do it at images.google.com |
| 19:51.26 | kbrooks | very well. |
| 19:51.28 | asg | tarzeau: hehe |
| 19:51.29 | kbrooks | i shall |
| 19:51.35 | greycat | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 19:51.40 | tarzeau | asg: it kicks so much ass (if you have the right tunes to it ;) |
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| 19:51.57 | Overand | cubic player rules |
| 19:52.03 | Overand | cubic player back in th eday ala MS DOS |
| 19:52.05 | Overand | goodstuff |
| 19:52.06 | stouset | typo: Then by all means. Most of us are just extremely wary of things that are untested and unintended. If it's absolutely necessary, it might be worth the risk. But then again, it's not too much trouble to back up /etc and just install from scratch, merging the old /etc with new as is necessary. I can tell you I don't even upgrade from one version to the next because I've had so many problems with it. Microsoft bashing aside, that's an upgrade path that |
| 19:52.07 | tarzeau | asg: like ftp://ftp.hornet.org/pub/demos/music/contests/ |
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| 19:52.14 | tarzeau | Overand: it runs on linux! omg i found out today ... |
| 19:52.20 | Overand | tarzeau: i was a (small) part of 'the scene' |
| 19:52.33 | Overand | i've been on EFNet #trax for like 7 years or so |
| 19:52.36 | tarzeau | Overand: we were like "it would be so cool to have it on linex" 4 years ago in #demoscene - and now it's there |
| 19:52.37 | Overand | i was ^Sucrose^ |
| 19:52.39 | Overand | hardly famous tho |
| 19:52.46 | stouset | Overand: Damn, you must have one hell of an uptime |
| 19:52.49 | Overand | i got a trak of the week on Traxinspace tho |
| 19:52.49 | tarzeau | Overand: have you been to the mekka&symposium? |
| 19:52.49 | Oswald_ | im trying to get the debian sarge install to see my adaptec raid controller connected to 2 80GB sata drives and it wont detect the thing |
| 19:52.51 | Overand | stouset: haha. |
| 19:52.56 | Overand | tarzeau: nah |
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| 19:53.30 | tarzeau | Overand: ahh you've missed some fun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/mekka/mekka.jpg |
| 19:53.32 | typo | stouset: that's what I'm doing, thanks |
| 19:53.41 | cbpye | is anyone in here using RAID1 in software with LILO? |
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| 19:54.55 | mdadmtime | cbpye: yap |
| 19:54.59 | Oswald_ | when i enable my adaptec raid controller for my 2 80GB serial ata drives sarge wont detect them |
| 19:55.01 | mdadmtime | cbpye: whats up? |
| 19:55.10 | kbrooks | woody is stable. very stable. |
| 19:55.16 | kbrooks | too stable! |
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| 19:55.34 | cbpye | mdadmtime |
| 19:55.41 | cbpye | darned enter key... |
| 19:55.53 | mrhemlock | stable has its useses !!! |
| 19:56.00 | mdadmtime | cbpye: did you use mdadm ? :) |
| 19:56.05 | greycat | of course it does |
| 19:56.16 | gerard | hellom i installed debian sarge, and for default is GDM at startup. Can i remove it, or change for KDM? |
| 19:56.20 | gerard | thanks |
| 19:56.21 | srineer | can someone point me to a good howto on configuring tftp on deb stable |
| 19:56.37 | cbpye | anyways, I just ordered a SATA card which I read was supported well under 2.6.7+ and was wondering if there were any certain hoops to jump through in order to get LILO to boot from a RAID array. |
| 19:56.37 | greycat | gerard: apt-get install kdm || dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 19:56.38 | tarzeau | srineer: tftpd you mean? which one? |
| 19:56.47 | daveo | I can't get php mail() to work. What should I be looking at to fix it. I'm set up using Exim4 and it works fine |
| 19:57.03 | gerard | greycat: thanks, and for remove it from startup? (start only console mode) |
| 19:57.14 | greycat | gerard: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 19:57.16 | mdadmtime | cbpie: yah ..well is raid compiled into your kernel? |
| 19:57.19 | greycat | or just apt-get remove kdm |
| 19:57.33 | cbpye | mdadmtime: will be as soon as I get that card in. |
| 19:57.50 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 19:57.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:57.52 | mdadmtime | cbpie: and areu going to boot from that raid array? |
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| 19:58.14 | mdadmtime | cbpie: have you ever used mdadm? |
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| 19:58.39 | cbpye | mdadmtime: it'd be nice to have everything on one array, but if I must keep my pATA drive for booting amd what-not, I will. |
| 19:58.41 | daveo | let me rephrase. mail() is not sending any mail. Nor is it giving any error messages that I can find |
| 19:58.49 | cbpye | mdadmtime, lemme google that mdadm real quick. |
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| 19:59.17 | mdadmtime | cbpie: yah you should be able to mix pata and sata as a raid...but master slave makes me wary of using pata... |
| 19:59.17 | kbrooks | cbpye, you must |
| 19:59.26 | Eclipser | nngh |
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| 19:59.37 | daveo | the statement mail() in a webpage brings up the statement that mail() requires at least 3 paramenters |
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| 20:00.05 | mdadmtime | kbrooks: you a ruby guy too? :) |
| 20:00.07 | daveo | I can sent mail directly from exim4 but not through a php scripts |
| 20:00.08 | abrotman | daveo: mail(to,subject,body[,optional]) |
| 20:00.10 | cbpye | mdadmtime, I'm really trying to phase out this PATA drive... I might have lost some data to a bad 120GB drive here, and was gonna set up a 200GB SATA mirror. |
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| 20:00.30 | kbrooks | mdadmtime, duh |
| 20:00.30 | abrotman | daveo: and it doesn't work |
| 20:00.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:00.36 | daveo | abrotman: Tried that but no mail sent |
| 20:00.40 | Gathond | daveo: so if mail () requires 3 arguments .... and you dont supply those arguments, why should it work? |
| 20:00.44 | p8m_ | hi |
| 20:00.52 | abrotman | daveo: check your maillogs .. or wherever rejected mail goes |
| 20:00.53 | cbpye | mdadmtime: system is installed on a separate 40gb drive though, which is why I'm still around. :) |
| 20:00.55 | arkaoss | woah.. hey anyone know any more indepth file space usage programs... du or df just showed me my linux box is maxed out.. needa find out if I did that accidently or what... |
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| 20:01.03 | daveo | Gathond: just used that to check if the function was there |
| 20:01.21 | abrotman | daveo: or at the command line `cat /etc/profile | mail -s crap you@yourdomain.com` |
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| 20:01.45 | cbpye | ooh, mdadm looks sexy. |
| 20:01.58 | cbpye | any GTK front ends, or is it all CLI? |
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| 20:02.22 | bbrazil | arafat: 'du -hs *' applied recursively usually works for me |
| 20:02.23 | mdadmtime | mdadm is the key... |
| 20:02.25 | simonrvn | cbpye: cli |
| 20:02.29 | p8m_ | :( |
| 20:02.47 | bbrazil | arkaoss: ^ meant for you |
| 20:02.57 | arkaoss | thanks |
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| 20:03.04 | cbpye | simonrvn: I can deal with that. I hope. |
| 20:03.11 | ColonelPanic45 | how can I figure out the last time someone logged onto my linux box? (finger isn't installed) |
| 20:03.14 | skTrdie | hey guys |
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| 20:03.25 | bbrazil | ColonelPanic45: last |
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| 20:03.26 | skTrdie | i just got an old PC from a friend, was thinking to install linux |
| 20:03.30 | skTrdie | but its very old |
| 20:03.32 | torpet | good idea |
| 20:03.32 | abrotman | ColonelPanic45: last |
| 20:03.34 | Gathond | ColonelPanic45: depending on the timeframe last |
| 20:03.34 | torpet | :) |
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| 20:03.46 | abrotman | skTrdie: so what's the problem? |
| 20:03.47 | skTrdie | it has 64 mb of ram |
| 20:03.56 | skTrdie | which is very low |
| 20:04.06 | Gathond | skTrdie: depends on the usage |
| 20:04.22 | skTrdie | its pentium 3 |
| 20:04.25 | mdadmtime | cbpye: let me know when you get started..i can probably give some pointers...spent too much time figuring it out on my own... |
| 20:04.30 | skTrdie | and im very new to linux :/ |
| 20:04.39 | cbpye | mdadmtime: will do. thanks! |
| 20:04.52 | mdadmtime | cbpye: just private message me later...have a feeling you wont get too much help from the channel today |
| 20:04.56 | ColonelPanic45 | skTrdie: uhhh. my desktop is only a PIII 450 |
| 20:04.58 | floormade3 | what's a good tool for network configuration available from APT? |
| 20:05.02 | skTrdie | i was looking also for a distro |
| 20:05.18 | cbpye | mdadmtime: oh, it won't be any time soon. the card was just ordered 20 minutes ago. :) |
| 20:05.21 | skTrdie | shingouz: :P what is old then |
| 20:05.23 | ColonelPanic45 | Gathond: why did you say that 'last' depends on the timeframe? |
| 20:05.27 | Gathond | skTrdie: well, debian would probably be the answer you det here :) |
| 20:05.39 | shingouz | skTrdie: try 486 with less than 24M of ram |
| 20:05.51 | skTrdie | i have 2 DVDs, of Suse linux 9.2, and Fedora core |
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| 20:05.56 | Gathond | ColonelPanic45: at least my machine usually cycles /var/log/wtmp each month |
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| 20:06.03 | maco | hi all |
| 20:06.06 | skTrdie | is that fine? |
| 20:06.12 | Gathond | ColonelPanic45: granted depends on the setup/timeframe might have been more accurate |
| 20:06.15 | ColonelPanic45 | Gathond: ah, ok. 'last' worked fine. thanks |
| 20:06.16 | tarzeau | was nick/user "oguz" bad, or why is he banned? (probably has some *.tr) |
| 20:06.25 | maco | can anybody help me with RAID1 installation rom scratch under debian sare netinst? |
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| 20:06.34 | shingouz | skTrdie: do you have a fastish connection to the internet? if you have, do a debian netinstall |
| 20:06.46 | maco | I have no clue hos to set up partitions for raid1 |
| 20:07.10 | skTrdie | actually my pc doesnt have modem nor ethernet, so i cant connect to the internet for now |
| 20:07.33 | p8m_ | maybe it has default arguments |
| 20:07.45 | maco | how big shoul Linux raid autodetect partition be on 15GB disk ? |
| 20:08.09 | shingouz | skTrdie: you have a cd burner there? if yes, you could grab the stuff off the debian servers and burn them either on cd's or a dvd |
| 20:08.33 | skTrdie | yes actually i am downloading Gentoo |
| 20:08.40 | shingouz | eugh :) |
| 20:08.54 | skTrdie | but its very hard they say, same for Debian |
| 20:09.04 | skTrdie | so i thought maybe SUSE or Fedora could be easier |
| 20:09.14 | skTrdie | also i have no idea how to install and get the drivers of all the stuff i have |
| 20:09.55 | shingouz | skTrdie: debian is not hard. how about if i hit you with a couple of links where you could read a bit more about it |
| 20:10.03 | shingouz | !tell skTrdie about d-i |
| 20:10.03 | greycat | skTrdie: download debian and install it, or go away. or both. |
| 20:10.09 | shingouz | !tell skTrdie about debian-installer |
| 20:10.30 | linuxjunky | i am trying to make a lilo diagnostic disk from /usr/lib/lilo by typing make -f Makefile.floppy |
| 20:10.47 | ricky_clarkson | Where's that fortunes file generated from the qotd factoids in dpkg? |
| 20:11.04 | maco | !tell maco about raid |
| 20:11.06 | maco | !tell maco about raid1 |
| 20:11.08 | mdadmtime | kbbrooks: have u ever --assembled? :) |
| 20:11.21 | skTrdie | shingouz: thnx for the links |
| 20:11.32 | shingouz | maco: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 20:11.37 | shingouz | skTrdie: np |
| 20:11.49 | skTrdie | do u think that it will have all drivers for my hardware |
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| 20:12.10 | shingouz | skTrdie: unless you have some real odd stuff that is not supported under linux, yes |
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| 20:12.23 | greycat | skTrdie: yse uv corse lololollololzzzz debain haz lal teh dirverz!!!!11! |
| 20:12.29 | faber2 | anybody knows how i can use "vacation" for two different domains which go to the same mailbox? |
| 20:12.37 | skTrdie | p3, 64 ram... some NVIDIA card |
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| 20:12.50 | greycat | oh wait, it doesn't have ram drivers. |
| 20:12.57 | shingouz | skTrdie: supported so far... |
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| 20:13.31 | ectrlaltdl | is php4-gd2 broken in unstable? looks like it is on my box, some missing dependancy...? |
| 20:13.45 | Pappa | if it's not supported something is way strange |
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| 20:13.58 | hahu | I have to build alsa on my own because my soundcard doesn't work now..i installed kernel-headers, kernel-package, build-essential. How can i build this .deb package now? |
| 20:14.06 | Pappa | skTrdie: consider a RAM upgrade btw - that's a waste of cpu power |
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| 20:14.19 | nxvl | hi |
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| 20:14.42 | nxvl | have someone use Debian on AMD64?? |
| 20:14.49 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:14.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:14.52 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 20:14.53 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 20:15.00 | nxvl | i have just install it, but y need apt sources |
| 20:15.10 | jharrisonwk | mmmmm shut up and shake |
| 20:15.23 | paulswm | skTrdie: I believe that the debian installation guide recommends minimum 128MB RAM if you want to run X |
| 20:15.26 | Ramonskie | i get an specific error when i do apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 20:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | Ramonskie: Well specify it then. |
| 20:15.52 | Ramonskie | its a pretty big list i think i flood then |
| 20:16.00 | Dingo | lo all, i was wondering if someone could tell me if it is possible to redirect all error/warning/info messages that are sent into current console into some specific console instead .. |
| 20:16.02 | ricky_clarkson | Don't flood here. |
| 20:16.04 | paulswm | skTrdie: But if you don't want to run X you're OK, I have sarge running on a 32MB machine |
| 20:16.08 | dvs | !paster |
| 20:16.08 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 20:16.30 | stouset | Ramonskie: j2re1.4 isn't a package... |
| 20:16.35 | ricky_clarkson | !paster =~ s/select/then select/ |
| 20:16.35 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 20:16.44 | dvs | stouset: Sounds like blackdown |
| 20:16.44 | Ramonskie | ist a packege |
| 20:16.51 | ricky_clarkson | Ramonskie: ist nicht |
| 20:16.52 | Ramonskie | yest its blackdown |
| 20:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | Ramonskie: apt-get install java-package |
| 20:17.06 | Ramonskie | well it says |
| 20:17.13 | stouset | dvs: Ah :-) |
| 20:17.57 | greycat | Ramonskie: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:18.05 | greycat | Ramonskie: blackdown's debs are not supported |
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| 20:18.36 | Ramonskie | owkay |
| 20:18.38 | Ramonskie | thx |
| 20:18.41 | Ramonskie | il try this |
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| 20:19.07 | Ramonskie | so blackdown is crap? |
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| 20:19.17 | dvs | Ramonskie: It's just not supported. |
| 20:19.19 | dvs | here |
| 20:19.22 | ricky_clarkson | Blackdown is neither Free, nor good. |
| 20:19.49 | Ramonskie | kay |
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| 20:20.14 | asuffield | blackdown is approximately the group that ports sun java to linux. the blackdown packages are approximately sun java stuffed into debian packages |
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| 20:20.36 | asuffield | sun java remains the same old proprietary crud it has always been |
| 20:20.45 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Sun ports Sun Java to Linux now, which means that Blackdown is largely redundant. |
| 20:20.51 | abrotman | skTrdie: i dist-upgraded my 486 with 36MB to sarge the other night .. took 6.5 hours .. but hey .. it even runs 2.6 kernels :) |
| 20:20.55 | stouset | Ramonskie: for the fewest problems, I would recommend using the official Sun Java runtime environment. |
| 20:21.05 | stouset | Ramonskie: It's not free either, but it's far better than Blackdown. |
| 20:21.06 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I think Blackdown try to port to other architectures now, dunno. |
| 20:21.06 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: I am unsure how much work sun actually do. historically, they merge blackdown's work into their own tree |
| 20:21.14 | dvs | abrotman: 6.5? What kind of connection? |
| 20:21.21 | Gathond | asuffield: blackdowns java is also in my experience rather buggy |
| 20:21.26 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: there might just not be anything left to do to keep sun java working on linux. that's not implausible |
| 20:21.28 | stouset | Ramonskie: And with java-package, it seems to work nicely. Unfortunately, kaffe, sable, and others just aren't up to snuff yet. |
| 20:21.28 | linuxjunky | hi can someone help me with make -f Makefile.floppy |
| 20:21.28 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: They seem to know what they're talking about more wrt Linux now. |
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| 20:21.50 | abrotman | dvs: heh .. the download of packages only took about 20 minutes .. the actual installing of those packages took about 6 hours :) |
| 20:21.51 | Ramonskie | okay wel i just want to use tomcat |
| 20:21.57 | Ramonskie | so thats why i need java |
| 20:21.58 | dvs | abrotman: DOH! |
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| 20:22.12 | abrotman | dvs: 486 DX2/66 with 36MB :) |
| 20:22.15 | ricky_clarkson | Ramonskie: Are you a developer or an administrator? |
| 20:22.18 | stouset | Ramonskie: look into java-package |
| 20:22.28 | daveo | abrotman: sorry I had an appointment show up. |
| 20:22.35 | dvs | abrotman: A powerhouse! |
| 20:22.36 | abrotman | daveo: s'alright |
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| 20:22.40 | Ramonskie | admin of my own litle server i just want to try sum stuff |
| 20:22.41 | daveo | abrotman: the command you gave me works and I get email |
| 20:22.43 | Delph | java-package justworks(tm) |
| 20:22.51 | Overand | abrotman: niiice. |
| 20:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | Ramonskie: Also consult #debian-java |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | dvs: you know what .. that machine still amazes me every time i turn it on .. no part in it has failed that i know of |
| 20:22.59 | asuffield | Ramonskie: so try kaffe, or sablevm |
| 20:23.05 | kollo14 | hey can anybody tell me what the command is to download something with tftp |
| 20:23.07 | kollo14 | ? |
| 20:23.10 | Overand | the 486/66 was actually a totally usable chip. i even ran quake1 playably (albiet barely) on it |
| 20:23.11 | abrotman | daveo: so feed the PHP script some parameters |
| 20:23.19 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Have you tried those? |
| 20:23.21 | asuffield | Ramonskie: both work with tomcat to at least some extent, both should run most java code |
| 20:23.24 | abrotman | Overand: it was my PPPd router |
| 20:23.25 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: no. I am not a java weenie |
| 20:23.25 | greycat | played the hell out of Doom on a 486/66. |
| 20:23.30 | abrotman | agreed :) |
| 20:23.32 | dvs | abrotman: That had got to be at least 10 years old |
| 20:23.45 | Overand | oh i think we ALL played the hell out of doom on 486/66s |
| 20:23.45 | Overand | heh |
| 20:23.47 | Ramonskie | okay thx for all the help people so far :) |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | dvs: bought .. uhm .. in 94 or very early 95 |
| 20:23.49 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I've tried kaffe a little, but in general if you're going to develop in Java you might as well just use non-Free stuff. |
| 20:24.04 | daveo | abrotman: here's what I put in the script |
| 20:24.14 | daveo | abrotman: mail('dave@c3revelstoke.ca', 'test message', 'this is a test'); |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | dvs: and it all works .. oh wait .. except the PS/2 mouse port .. but that's cause i pushed on it once |
| 20:24.25 | abrotman | daveo: i spam you now! hahahah! |
| 20:24.37 | Pappa | on a ati 9600 pro |
| 20:24.43 | Pappa | is 150fps in glxgears normal? |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | daveo: try this mail("dave@yourdomain","test","test me","From: dave@yourdomain"); |
| 20:25.11 | abrotman | Pappa: no |
| 20:25.19 | dvs | Pappa: I'm getting 260fps on an ATI 9600 (no suffix) |
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| 20:26.00 | Delph | uhhm, how am i managing to get 1400fps... |
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| 20:26.06 | skTrdie | sorry guys im back |
| 20:26.07 | Delph | i dont even have the 3d drivers setup... |
| 20:26.10 | abrotman | daveo: and if that fails .. ask #php if you need to turn on an option in your php.ini |
| 20:26.12 | dvs | Delph: accelerated drivers |
| 20:26.12 | skTrdie | i do want to run X |
| 20:26.18 | ricky_clarkson | skTrdie: It's ok, we forgive you for returning. |
| 20:26.18 | skTrdie | i will use it basically for desktop use |
| 20:26.24 | dvs | Delph: ??? Wow! |
| 20:26.28 | Delph | quite. |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | skTrdie: choose something small like blackbox |
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| 20:27.04 | stouset | abrotman: No way, he should be running Windows through VMWARE. |
| 20:27.13 | skTrdie | blackbox? |
| 20:27.18 | skTrdie | is it a window manager? |
| 20:27.19 | daveo | abrotman: yeah still nothing. I'll try #php thanks |
| 20:27.27 | shingouz | skTrdie: get a bit more ram for the box and use a lighter windowmanager. xfce, fvwm, fluxbox or something and you should be pretty well off. gnome/kde are a bit too bloated these days |
| 20:27.30 | ricky_clarkson | skTrdie: apt-cache show blackbox |
| 20:27.50 | abrotman | skTrdie: yes .. blackbox is a small window manager |
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| 20:28.07 | skTrdie | is konqueror a window manager? |
| 20:28.12 | abrotman | daveo: ok .. it might be a php.ini setting .. don't forget to check your lgos to se if your machine tried |
| 20:28.17 | ricky_clarkson | No, it's a file manager, skTrdie. |
| 20:28.18 | abrotman | skTrdie: no |
| 20:28.24 | xpato | how can i know the pid when i run a program? |
| 20:28.28 | abrotman | filemanager/browser/kitchensink |
| 20:28.33 | Ramonskie | how can i install a deb file that is already under /home/user/ |
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| 20:28.38 | ricky_clarkson | xpato: What kind fo program? |
| 20:28.39 | idnar | hrm, my desktop system seems to have a remarkably inaccurate clock; I'm only noticing this now since I broke my ntp config, but it seems to have gained 6 seconds over the last 30 minutes or so; is this normal? |
| 20:28.40 | ricky_clarkson | s/fo/of/ |
| 20:28.41 | xpato | pidof shows the pid of a running procces |
| 20:28.44 | abrotman | Ramonskie: man dpkg |
| 20:28.47 | Gathond | Ramonskie: dpkg -i |
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| 20:28.52 | xpato | ricky_clarkson, a daemon |
| 20:28.57 | Ramonskie | that the command lol i forgot |
| 20:28.58 | ricky_clarkson | xpato: bash programs have echo $$ |
| 20:28.59 | xpato | pppd for example |
| 20:29.04 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 20:29.05 | skTrdie | so instead of going with KDE and gnome i should go with fluxbox |
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| 20:29.08 | ricky_clarkson | xpato: Or use ps aux | grep pppd |
| 20:29.09 | skTrdie | or blackbox |
| 20:29.13 | _zardozl | how do i formate a hdd ? |
| 20:29.26 | shingouz | idnar: if the computer you have there is pretty old, replace the bios battery just to be on the safe side |
| 20:29.27 | ricky_clarkson | _zardozl: mkfs |
| 20:29.27 | skTrdie | but i guess the Debian installation will only have those 2.... |
| 20:29.28 | greycat | xpato: man pgrep, man pkill |
| 20:29.31 | xpato | ricky_clarkson, the problem is tha the daemon may be present more that once |
| 20:29.40 | Delph | dvs: is Mesa the software GL renderer? |
| 20:29.50 | xpato | and i need to kiil one |
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| 20:30.05 | ricky_clarkson | xpato: Or use ps aux | grep pppd | head -1 |
| 20:30.07 | _zardozl | ricky_clarkson, yeh but iam like noob at this |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | skTrdie: it has about 100 choices for a window manager |
| 20:30.25 | skTrdie | debian? |
| 20:30.32 | skTrdie | all in the cds? |
| 20:30.37 | Pappa | dvs: 260fps.. |
| 20:30.46 | ricky_clarkson | skTrdie: apt-cache search window manager |
| 20:30.53 | _zardozl | ricky_clarkson, if its hdd i wanna formate how do i do the cmd? |
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| 20:30.58 | Pappa | well, and these are the evil ati drivers |
| 20:31.01 | ricky_clarkson | _zardozl: man mkfs |
| 20:31.09 | skTrdie | ricky_clarkson |
| 20:31.13 | ricky_clarkson | skTrdie |
| 20:31.16 | dvs | Delph: Yes |
| 20:31.19 | skTrdie | :P |
| 20:31.20 | ricky_clarkson | I love this kind of relationship. |
| 20:31.29 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Indeed. |
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| 20:31.34 | arkaoss | got my directory data listing.. noticed my exim log is around oh.... 700 mb... |
| 20:31.45 | dvs | Pappa: Are you asking me or telling me? |
| 20:31.47 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 20:31.48 | Eclipser | hmm hmm |
| 20:32.00 | Pappa | i get 6000 fps on my GF5700LE. that ATI card is far superior hardware-wise |
| 20:32.02 | abrotman | arkaoss: they make this program .. called .. logrotate .. works well :) |
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| 20:32.09 | Pappa | crappy drivers |
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| 20:32.15 | dvs | Pappa: yup |
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| 20:32.24 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Sea Bass for tomorrow's dinner. :) |
| 20:32.25 | ricky_clarkson | Help, my bus driver keeps crashing! |
| 20:32.34 | idnar | shingouz: it's only a few years old; my other box is much older, and keeps time much better |
| 20:32.35 | dvs | ha! |
| 20:32.36 | helix | heh |
| 20:32.38 | abrotman | thomas_adam: with crushed peppers? |
| 20:32.43 | arkaoss | time to shut off logging on exim |
| 20:32.44 | dvs | ricky_clarkson: Fire Otto |
| 20:33.00 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Well, I'm still researching it. But most likely. He's *huge*. Cost me Ģ7. |
| 20:33.04 | ricky_clarkson | dvs: He's got five kids and a walkman to finance, that's unfair. |
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| 20:33.07 | simonrvn | arkaoss: time to install logrotate |
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| 20:33.28 | abrotman | thomas_adam: isn't that like $3.50 in USD ? |
| 20:33.29 | xpato | the history is: 3 clients connect to 1 server and excute the same bash script that start a process, after a while (ramdom) the same clients connects agains and need to kill the process started by the bash script |
| 20:33.30 | shingouz | idnar: replacing the battery is usually not too expensive. otoh the computer could have some oddities in it making the clock "somewhat" screwed up |
| 20:33.36 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I believe so. |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you suck |
| 20:33.42 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: $13 |
| 20:33.47 | xpato | so, how can i know the pid when i run the scrip |
| 20:33.48 | _zardozl | can someone help me formate my hdd i get this mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count - /dev/hdd |
| 20:33.50 | abrotman | thomas_adam: oh .. never mind .. |
| 20:33.53 | thomas_adam | xpato: $$ |
| 20:33.54 | abrotman | you still suck |
| 20:33.54 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: You got the exchange rate back to front. |
| 20:34.02 | idnar | shingouz: doesn't the battery only power that stuff while the power supply is off? |
| 20:34.03 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Pounds are greater than dollars. |
| 20:34.04 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yeah .. i realize that |
| 20:34.05 | simonrvn | side to side |
| 20:34.11 | xpato | thomas_adam, thx |
| 20:34.14 | abrotman | #>$ ? |
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| 20:34.18 | xpato | i going to try |
| 20:34.21 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: # is not a pound. |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it is here |
| 20:34.30 | abrotman | anyways |
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| 20:34.34 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: It is to the Yanks. |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | !octothorpe |
| 20:34.36 | dpkg | # |
| 20:34.38 | simonrvn | @fart |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | thomas_adam: so just those three so far? |
| 20:34.44 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 20:34.46 | shingouz | idnar: yes but i have seen a few computers that have had similar problems than yours. a new battery cured them, maybe coincidence, maybve not |
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| 20:34.56 | zoro2 | hello - does anyone here speak both english and russian? I have a small translation favor to ask |
| 20:34.58 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Looks nothing like the pound sign that's on our money. |
| 20:35.01 | ricky_clarkson | zoro2: #debian-ru |
| 20:35.06 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I'm working on it, but yes. The shop had a lemon sole, too. :D |
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| 20:35.09 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: done |
| 20:35.12 | thomas_adam | abrotman: But he was expensive. |
| 20:35.14 | arkaoss | simon, i have logfile rotate ( didn;t know it) guess i could add exim to it's duties right? |
| 20:35.26 | abrotman | thomas_adam: no like .. cod or anything like .. north atlantic? |
| 20:35.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: http://www.afme.org.uk/res/img/resources/Pound.jpg |
| 20:35.43 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Icelandic talbot, I believe was there. |
| 20:35.47 | simonrvn | should be there already... if not, add it. you probably removed it or didn't install debian's |
| 20:35.54 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: still done |
| 20:36.00 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Done? |
| 20:36.01 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i was just wondering |
| 20:36.05 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: whatever |
| 20:36.07 | RichiH | :p |
| 20:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Innit. |
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| 20:36.28 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Being a staffer has degenerated you. |
| 20:36.42 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: being a clarkson did the same to you |
| 20:36.50 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 20:36.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: can you get inland fish .. like smallmouth bass(a .us fish) |
| 20:37.03 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: but yes, i mostly patrol the channels to see if stuff is OK and handle user requests than active chatting :( |
| 20:37.04 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I was born like this, there was no degeneration. |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | well .. i know they are here in .us .. maybe .eu too |
| 20:37.17 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: sad .. we know :0 |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:37.25 | simonrvn | RichiH: congrats on becoming a staffer |
| 20:37.26 | FieldySnuts | @troll ricky_clarkson |
| 20:37.30 | ricky_clarkson | Where's that damn #debian fortune file? |
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| 20:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: What's up? |
| 20:37.45 | RichiH | simonrvn: heh, thanks. you are half a year late, though :p |
| 20:38.00 | arkaoss | actually simon it looks like something is rotating the log, but letting it get too freaking big |
| 20:38.01 | simonrvn | only checked your /whois now :) |
| 20:38.06 | RichiH | simonrvn: heh :) |
| 20:38.08 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Congratulate him on his birthday instead (last Monday iirc). |
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| 20:38.15 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: indeed |
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| 20:38.27 | simonrvn | RichiH: HAPPY BEEEERFDAAAAY! |
| 20:38.29 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Rather. |
| 20:38.34 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: quite |
| 20:38.40 | RichiH | simonrvn: ah yes, it was that, too |
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| 20:38.55 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: EGRATUITOUS |
| 20:39.11 | simonrvn | ESTFU |
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| 20:39.48 | ricky_clarkson | http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/errno.2.html |
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| 20:40.30 | ricky_clarkson | "SIGNUKE Nuclear event occurred (cannot be caught or ignored :-)" |
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| 20:41.42 | paulswm | Somone tell the illiterate who wrote that stuff that it's sequitur, not sequitor |
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| 20:41.47 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 20:41.53 | greycat | paulswm: I noticed that too. |
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| 20:42.04 | Eclipser | I'll just go back to 2.4.x, fglrx doesn't like 2.6.11 and I don't like patching it |
| 20:42.07 | greycat | and *certainly* not sequetor |
| 20:42.28 | tam_ | hi all, i'm getting these errors every 5 mins...could this be a kernel bug or is my hdd definately going titsup? |
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| 20:42.31 | tam_ | Mar 23 20:40:06 fresh kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 20:42.34 | tam_ | Mar 23 20:40:06 fresh kernel: hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 20:42.39 | greycat | tam_: drive is bad. |
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| 20:42.44 | Madkiss | Hello. |
| 20:42.46 | tabris|away | tam_: install smartmontools |
| 20:42.47 | Growly | what do I do about an "Kernel Panic: Attempting to kill init!" while trying to load the installer for debian 3.0r2? |
| 20:42.49 | xebian | Where do I start if I want to write my own programs. |
| 20:42.50 | greycat | tam_: or controller, or cable |
| 20:42.51 | tabris|away | tam_: and run a check |
| 20:42.53 | FieldySnuts | your drive is likely going bad, migrate all the data off, you are either already losing data, or soon will be |
| 20:42.53 | simonrvn | EDRIVEFUCT |
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| 20:43.01 | Madkiss | If somebody had to recommend a ticket system that is easy to install, easy to use, has a webinterface and is easy to extend, what would you say? |
| 20:43.09 | jjm | having trouble making a debian mirror using 'debmirror'... |
| 20:43.11 | tam_ | cheers guys |
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| 20:43.16 | grigora | anyone knows if there is an easy way to figure out the exact ./configure options for a debian package? thanks |
| 20:43.22 | Growly | alright, help Growly the n00b time: |
| 20:43.25 | greycat | ETPHONEHOME Communications lost |
| 20:43.31 | FieldySnuts | EITSGETTINGOLD |
| 20:43.32 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:43.36 | jarmo | hi there =) is it possible that other hd's are also ext3 filetype, or is ext3 only for "master"? |
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| 20:43.53 | paulswm | Sorry, greycat, I saw something from you as my window disappeared but was unable to read it |
| 20:44.00 | Delph | ext3 is related to the filesystem, not to the hard disk. |
| 20:44.05 | jarmo | k |
| 20:44.08 | jarmo | so, other hd |
| 20:44.08 | tabris|away | jarmo: uhhh. that question makes little sense, but i'll assume that you need the answer 'any' |
| 20:44.09 | greycat | paulswm: I noticed it too. And *certainly* not "sequetor". |
| 20:44.12 | jarmo | 's must be ext2? |
| 20:44.17 | paulswm | Ah |
| 20:44.18 | Growly | Whenever I try and partition my hard drive, the partitioner freezes, or the computer resets - it does this on both the stable debian release with kernel 2.4.17, and the latest testing one (2.4.whatever and 2.6) |
| 20:44.25 | tabris|away | jarmo: tho I'd suggest XFS or Reiser over ext2 or ext3. |
| 20:44.38 | jjm | trying to use debmirror but it fails with 'gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found' |
| 20:44.48 | FieldySnuts | jarmo: I'm with tabris|away |
| 20:44.48 | jjm | where do I get the public key? |
| 20:44.48 | Delph | jarmo: no. your hard disk type, name independent of the filesystem(s) on it. |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:44.54 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 20:44.58 | simonrvn | jjm: your key |
| 20:44.59 | abrotman | bah .. wrong one |
| 20:45.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a fs war |
| 20:45.02 | ravenbird | AFS is better than SysVfs!! |
| 20:45.06 | jarmo | well thanks =) |
| 20:45.07 | jarmo | g2g |
| 20:45.08 | abrotman | !tell jarmo about filesystem comparison |
| 20:45.11 | tabris|away | ravenbird: that's not saying much. |
| 20:45.15 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tabris|away |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | ok .. i give up .. where'd the other link go? |
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| 20:45.21 | jjm | simonrvn -- meaing I have to make a public key for my user? |
| 20:45.32 | simonrvn | jjm: yes |
| 20:45.32 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 20:45.35 | abrotman | someone overwrote it |
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| 20:45.37 | jjm | thanks, i'll try it. |
| 20:45.45 | tabris|away | FieldySnuts: AFS vs SysVfs ain't saying much |
| 20:45.50 | tarzeau | hi streuner |
| 20:46.02 | FieldySnuts | fine |
| 20:46.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a fs war |
| 20:46.04 | ravenbird | AFS is better than NTFS!! |
| 20:46.05 | streuner | HAPPY BIRTHDAY, RICHIH!!!! |
| 20:46.07 | FieldySnuts | ... lol |
| 20:46.12 | FieldySnuts | i give up |
| 20:46.12 | paulswm | ext3 is best |
| 20:46.12 | RichiH | streuner: too late, i am gone :) |
| 20:46.14 | RichiH | but thanks :) |
| 20:46.17 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Not that I know of -- Ideally I'd like to go to a fish mongers, but alas, Southampton being the shithole it is, doesn't have one. |
| 20:46.31 | FieldySnuts | fish mongers is the name of a fish store? |
| 20:46.35 | RichiH | next year, you know when i get older, so buy presents in advance :) |
| 20:46.36 | tabris|away | FieldySnuts: still not saying much. esp as AFS isn't used much and may be better b/c nobody uses it ;) |
| 20:46.43 | RichiH | cu |
| 20:46.44 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you should move :0 |
| 20:46.46 | caphuso | standardized binary format for xml... fuck |
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| 20:46.51 | FieldySnuts | tabris|away: heh, it's random strings anyway, just a luck of the draw |
| 20:46.51 | tabris|away | paulswm: i dunno. ext3 is common, and simple, but XFS is probably better. |
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| 20:46.58 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: wtf? |
| 20:47.12 | paulswm | ext3 is safer |
| 20:47.14 | simonrvn | eew, binary xml? |
| 20:47.14 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: http://news.com.com/Faster+XML+ahead/2100-1007_3-5630957.html?tag=nefd.lede |
| 20:47.24 | caphuso | because "XML is too slow" |
| 20:47.33 | simonrvn | gah |
| 20:47.39 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 20:47.44 | tabris|away | paulswm: uhh. ok, Reiser has issues. XFS however... i'd say that they probably knew what they were doing. not that i should be arguing this in a chan this busy |
| 20:47.53 | Growly | Whenever I try and partition my hard drive, the partitioner freezes, or the computer resets - it does this on both the stable debian release with kernel 2.4.17, and the latest testing one (2.4.whatever and 2.6) |
| 20:47.59 | Growly | anyone? |
| 20:48.03 | FieldySnuts | reiser does not have issues, i've never seen any in the years i've run it at home and on servers |
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| 20:48.11 | FieldySnuts | quit spreddin fud |
| 20:48.17 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Yes. |
| 20:48.19 | tabris|away | FieldySnuts: it has issues. if you ever get a hash collission, you're in trouble. |
| 20:48.26 | FieldySnuts | trolls. have fun |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | !tell jarmo about filesystem comparison |
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| 20:48.35 | argonel|work | chealer: ping |
| 20:48.39 | jjm | simonrv: I ran gpg --gen-key then I tried to run debmirror again but it fails with same error |
| 20:49.11 | tabris|away | FieldySnuts: Reiser has no checking for hash colissions. if you get one, your FS will be fscked. had friends it happened to. however, I will admit it's done me well (only had to fsck a couple times). I prefer Reiser, but I use XFS for critical stuff now. |
| 20:49.12 | chealer | argonel|work: pong |
| 20:49.15 | FieldySnuts | tabris|away: ok. |
| 20:49.21 | None | How can I make root be able to open a window say through su and then an graphical app in my own x session? |
| 20:49.36 | faber2 | is there an alternative to the "vacation" program. it does not work properly for me and is starting to piss me off. any ideas? |
| 20:49.38 | greycat | None: /msg dpkg sux /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:49.39 | simonrvn | jjm: read the man page. it'll tell you how to to tell it what key to use |
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| 20:50.04 | argonel|work | chealer: I've just done a first pass at refactoring the DebianKDE page on the wiki, could you take a look at it? DebianKDE2 |
| 20:50.19 | simonrvn | tabris|away: i do too |
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| 20:51.20 | jjm | simonrvn, which man page, debmirror or gpg? |
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| 20:51.28 | simonrvn | case study - microsoft: oxymoron |
| 20:51.29 | Ley | spricht da wer deutsch? |
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| 20:51.32 | greycat | !de |
| 20:51.32 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:51.35 | simonrvn | debmirror... |
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| 20:52.55 | sfb | I just did a dist-upgrade from stable to unstable. |
| 20:53.00 | sfb | And I want to upgrade to 2.6.10 |
| 20:53.06 | simonrvn | ...and everything borked |
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| 20:53.13 | sfb | Yup. |
| 20:53.21 | abrotman | greycat: how is that different than here |
| 20:53.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:53.22 | sfb | I went in and reset it back to the old kernel image. |
| 20:53.32 | simonrvn | this is why you do woody -> sarge ->Â sid |
| 20:53.38 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: they have good beer, we don't |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ours isn't that bad! |
| 20:53.50 | FieldySnuts | hewh |
| 20:53.54 | sfb | Okay, but is there a fix for my problem? (= |
| 20:53.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: not the mass stuff though |
| 20:54.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: the piss water you have? |
| 20:54.08 | FieldySnuts | i like maudite from yer country |
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| 20:54.13 | FieldySnuts | few others, can't remember |
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| 20:54.19 | abrotman | simonrvn: exactly .. the mass stuff .. try a microbrew .. |
| 20:54.30 | sfb | Or make your own. |
| 20:54.30 | simonrvn | abauer: aah, micro is always better ;) |
| 20:54.35 | Ley | do anybody know an other german linux channel as #debian.de |
| 20:54.36 | ricky_clarkson | Beer doesn't come in a bottle with Budweiser on it. |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes .. i know . slyfoxbeer.com ... my favorite local brew |
| 20:54.59 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it could, if you dumped out the budweiser first |
| 20:55.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:55.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Even so it'd be tainted. |
| 20:55.27 | FieldySnuts | heh #debian.de expects you to have your real name in whois |
| 20:55.27 | sfb | So the only fix is to move to testing? |
| 20:55.33 | chealer | argonel|work: 2? LOL! sure! I was intending to do a bit more work there. |
| 20:55.44 | greycat | sfb: well, you haven't even said what the problem is yet |
| 20:55.57 | uince | hi ! |
| 20:55.57 | sfb | Well. He said "everything borked." That was pretty accurate. |
| 20:55.58 | argonel|work | chealer: its been driving me nuts, so i split it into multiple pages :) |
| 20:56.06 | sfb | None of my PCI devices outside of my IDE controller show up. |
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| 20:56.09 | simonrvn | rather general... |
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| 20:56.12 | sfb | Setting pci=routeirq doesn't fix the problem. |
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| 20:57.00 | Jalk | how do i setup dhcp? |
| 20:57.07 | greycat | carefully. |
| 20:57.12 | streuner | server or client? |
| 20:57.15 | Jalk | client |
| 20:57.20 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 20:57.20 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 20:57.43 | uince | question: i' m using debian sarge with kernel (pre installed with the all distribution) 2.4.27-1-386 , i need to install the kernel headers, why have i only 2.4.27-2-386 listed in aptitude and apt??? |
| 20:58.03 | simonrvn | because |
| 20:58.05 | greycat | uince: because the rc2 kernel is obsolete now; rc3 should fix that. |
| 20:58.11 | greycat | uince: you need to upgrade your kernel, unfortunately |
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| 20:58.25 | tag | when I try to decompress the blackdown java package, (dpkg --unpack) I get an error, "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 20:58.43 | ricky_clarkson | Haha, putting the #debian-de FAQ through babelfish ist sehr funny. |
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| 20:59.02 | tag | Now some months ago I tried to install it and accidently hit "N" when it asked me if I wanted to accept the license |
| 20:59.02 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: url? |
| 20:59.10 | greycat | tag: so don't use the blackdown stuff. /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:59.13 | tag | Apparently, this information is cached some place? How can I clear it out |
| 20:59.14 | ricky_clarkson | "pitch CHANGES are nervig! Some Clients or user means, to the whole world by pitch CHANGES communicates to m?en that they are not present straight. Who not since is, should instead /away to use or simply nothing say. Pitch CHANGES should happen only if it must be, e.g. after a DSL separation." |
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| 20:59.22 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fchannel.debian.de%2f.%2fnetiquette%2fch-rules.html#s-nickchange |
| 20:59.25 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 20:59.29 | tag | greycat: None of the non-blackdown stuff has ever worked for me |
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| 20:59.48 | uince | greycat: i can't understand.... if it is obsolet it should be installed automaticaly by aptitude when i do updates.. or not? |
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| 21:00.05 | greycat | uince: kernels aren't upgraded that way because they're too critical. |
| 21:00.11 | FieldySnuts | bebelfish sucks quite often, which is a shame, it's been around so long |
| 21:00.32 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Babelfish doesn't ask you what you think of it, so it can't learn. |
| 21:00.32 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: geez. totally useless |
| 21:00.38 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 21:00.40 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: But funny. |
| 21:00.48 | demon | so has anyone played with the php5 packages on dotdeb.org? can they play nice alongside php4, or is it a one or the other thing? |
| 21:00.48 | simonrvn | demon: hello |
| 21:00.56 | demon | simonrvn: yo |
| 21:00.57 | FieldySnuts | one or the other |
| 21:01.14 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: "pointingnesses" |
| 21:01.21 | simonrvn | demon: i have; they won't play nice if loaded as anapache2 DSO. otherwise probably ok |
| 21:01.22 | uince | greycat: so for the kernels I have to choose when to upgrade it? it ' s not done automaticaly?? |
| 21:01.28 | simonrvn | an apache2* |
| 21:01.41 | demon | simonrvn: hm.... that's unfortunate |
| 21:01.52 | simonrvn | demon: tell me about it :/ |
| 21:01.54 | greycat | uince: ARRRRGH!! |
| 21:02.00 | greycat | uince: it's a ONE TIME FLAW! |
| 21:02.03 | tag | java is so stupid |
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| 21:02.12 | greycat | just install a newer kernel that's actually in sarge, and get on with your LIFE! |
| 21:02.15 | paulswm | Automatic kernel upgrades could be potentially disastrous |
| 21:02.15 | FieldySnuts | no it's not, it's users are |
| 21:02.23 | arkaoss | my system is clogged with like 1gb of exim logfiles.. how can i get exim to stop logging? |
| 21:02.30 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 21:02.34 | FieldySnuts | arkaoss: use logrotate |
| 21:02.40 | Growly | Whenever I try and partition my hard drive, the partitioner freezes, or the computer resets - it does this on both the stable debian release with kernel 2.4.17, and the latest testing one (2.4.whatever and 2.6) |
| 21:02.50 | Growly | Can anyone help me? |
| 21:02.53 | arkaoss | well i added that.. but i dont want any logs from exim.. i don't care at this point |
| 21:03.02 | Jalk | dhcp is set but cant ping anything... "network is unreachable". Any idea? |
| 21:03.31 | baz | Jalk: does ifconfig return something sensible? |
| 21:03.36 | Jalk | yes |
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| 21:03.47 | FieldySnuts | other than "lo"? |
| 21:03.48 | Flimzy | Jalk: Your network isn't configured (properly) |
| 21:03.49 | arkaoss | sonofa***** the exim log was the cause of my printing problem |
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| 21:03.55 | paulswm | Growly: That sounds suspiciously like a hardware problem, suggest you run the maunfacturere's diagnostics to confirm the drive is OK |
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| 21:03.57 | baz | Jalk: can you ping your own lan ip address (eg. not 127.0.0.1)? |
| 21:04.02 | Jalk | yes... eth0 gets the ip correctly |
| 21:04.07 | Jalk | i can ping eth0 |
| 21:04.17 | Jalk | from outside the linux box |
| 21:04.17 | baz | jalk: how about routes |
| 21:04.20 | FieldySnuts | can ya ping yer default gateway (if it replies to them) |
| 21:04.22 | simonrvn | what a dufus... stupidest /quit msg i've ever seen |
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| 21:04.42 | greycat | 'twasn't a quit message... |
| 21:05.02 | FieldySnuts | part |
| 21:05.05 | simonrvn | whateva, /quit, /part |
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| 21:05.31 | Jalk | baz: yes i can |
| 21:05.45 | Flimzy | I bet I could come up with a stupider /part message. But it would definately take some work. |
| 21:07.01 | Jalk | with route i get the destination ip(wich i think is correct) but no gateway, only "*" |
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| 21:07.08 | greycat | Flimzy: would probably involve [BX] |
| 21:07.11 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:07.25 | Flimzy | greycat: hehe |
| 21:07.30 | simonrvn | would be easy with [BX] |
| 21:07.33 | Growly | paulswn: Thanks for replying! My only problem is that the PC is 7 years old - (i.e. PII 266MHz). It's been chugging along just fine until now, with Windows XP on it. I'm surprised that all of a sudden Linux won't install (it has previously). Could it be the controller? Or is it likely to be individual hard drives? |
| 21:07.36 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 21:07.40 | Eclipser | unsuccesful day |
| 21:07.58 | Pappa | nice /part message: /exec - -o cat /dev/urandom |
| 21:08.07 | Pappa | that got me g-lined once |
| 21:08.12 | toomboy | Ive been running apache 1.3 for a few years, and im upgrading to 2.0 under sarge. Ive asked people in #apache and they state all modules for 1.3 are also in 2.0. Now when i scan deb pkg db by filename, the modules im needin are only showing in apache-common for 1.3, any suggestions what to do to have these missin modules work for 2.0 under debian ? |
| 21:08.16 | greycat | Growly: if the computer *resets*, that points to a hardware failure or a serious, serious kernel bug. |
| 21:08.22 | Flimzy | Growly: Do you have another HD you can test with? (even an old 170mb drive, or something)? |
| 21:08.24 | baz | toomboy: what modules? |
| 21:08.27 | greycat | Growly: I'd suspect the power supply or the motherboard |
| 21:08.53 | ricky_clarkson | !eminem |
| 21:08.53 | dpkg | i guess eminem is < za> I just got back from the eminem gig at Milton Keynes... it rained... constantly.. and he sucked ass. a debian user ("try 'cid [sid] and get fucked up worse than my life is" - My Name Is) |
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| 21:09.06 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 21:09.20 | Growly | Everyone: I see your points, but I am disinclined to blame the motherboard or PSU or controller because it doesn't always *reset*, it freezes on the "Creating ext3 filesystem" stage... |
| 21:09.25 | JohnnyST | Hi dose somone know where to get a debian package for mod_throttle ? http://www.snert.com/Software/mod_throttle/ |
| 21:09.25 | greycat | multiple conflicting definitions, I guess... |
| 21:09.56 | toomboy | baz: config_log_module mime_module negotiation_module status_module autoindex_module dir_module alias_module access_module auth_module setenvif_module layout_module |
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| 21:10.23 | Flimzy | Growly: Faulty hardware rarely causes the *exact* same problem every time. |
| 21:10.30 | toomboy | baz: like for instance mod_negotiation.so only exists under sarge in apache-common which is for 1.3 |
| 21:10.40 | Flimzy | Growly: IOW, sometimes it may reset, sometimes it may freeze, sometimes it may just cause data corruption, sometimes it may cause other unpredictable results. |
| 21:10.52 | Flimzy | Growly: sometimes it may appear to work perfectly |
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| 21:11.14 | Growly | Flimzy: Agreed. I'll try another hard drive! |
| 21:11.26 | flowtron | Where To Go with problems with "sox"? |
| 21:11.43 | greycat | the asylum, by the time you're done reading the manual |
| 21:12.29 | greycat | BUGS |
| 21:12.29 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.29 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.43 | FieldySnuts | what a troll |
| 21:12.47 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, is that sox? |
| 21:12.52 | arkaoss | would it be a bad thing to ln my /var/log/exim folder to /dev/null? |
| 21:12.59 | FieldySnuts | probably |
| 21:13.02 | ricky_clarkson | Yay, it is. |
| 21:13.15 | dondelelcaro | greycat: where is this from? |
| 21:13.18 | greycat | dondelelcaro: man sox |
| 21:13.18 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't it great when you can recognise a program by the 'BUGS' section of its manual. |
| 21:13.19 | Flimzy | flowtron: what's the problem? |
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| 21:13.52 | dondelelcaro | ah, figures |
| 21:13.57 | flowtron | flimzy : conversions garble the data |
| 21:14.08 | Pappa | man sox; mv /dev/flowtron /var/asylum |
| 21:14.10 | dondelelcaro | well, it doesn't look to be as complex as mogrify or ecasound's manpage |
| 21:14.15 | flowtron | meaning : I convert wav to ulaw, and back, and it's slightly different |
| 21:14.17 | Growly | Alright so I changed the CPU - let's see what happens... |
| 21:14.34 | ricky_clarkson | I reckon sox needs an interactive program just to generate the options for sox. |
| 21:14.39 | ricky_clarkson | Or rather, *I* do. |
| 21:14.56 | Taraxacum | i don't understand how i use the chmod command |
| 21:14.58 | flowtron | Well sox is just being used by some scripts and used to work fine |
| 21:15.02 | Taraxacum | if i want to put execute on a file do i write chmod x file.something |
| 21:15.03 | greycat | Taraxacum: then don't use it. |
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| 21:15.05 | Pappa | Taraxacum: it's very simple |
| 21:15.07 | greycat | Taraxacum: +x, not x |
| 21:15.12 | Taraxacum | oh |
| 21:15.14 | greycat | !wikifaq Taraxacum Permissions |
| 21:15.15 | dpkg | Taraxacum: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:15.17 | Taraxacum | thanks |
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| 21:15.33 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, is the memory issue ok now on the wiki? |
| 21:15.46 | flowtron | sox -t ul -U newbeep.ulaw -t wav -u newbeep.wav |
| 21:15.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: you mean the spam? |
| 21:15.49 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: diskspace you mean? |
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| 21:15.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: no |
| 21:15.56 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:15.59 | greycat | tarzeau deleted some logs |
| 21:16.12 | Jalk | eth0 is up and working. has ip address that i can ping. but cant ping anything else from outside the box. what may be wrong? |
| 21:16.12 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: yes the same day when it happened |
| 21:16.25 | ricky_clarkson | Amazing what going away and coming back can do. |
| 21:16.25 | greycat | Jalk: routing table, cables, etc. |
| 21:16.26 | flowtron | Jalk : try "route -n" to see |
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| 21:16.31 | ricky_clarkson | I wish that worked for bugs in my software ;( |
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| 21:16.35 | Taraxacum | somehow i can't play music with xmms but i can hear sounds when i write in the terminal, isn't that odd? |
| 21:16.42 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: what is your software? url? |
| 21:16.45 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it wasn't a bug... |
| 21:16.48 | arkaoss | woah!! whatever i did screwing with samba and stuff... even tho it wasn't the source of my problem, it did fix the fact that after every print job an extra blank sheet was going thru..... the tree's in the neighbor hood breath a sigh of relief. |
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| 21:16.52 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: http://www.netsim.info |
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| 21:17.00 | greycat | full file system is an environmental hazard, not a bug |
| 21:17.18 | Pappa | chmod OGA (OWNER GROUP ALL) spam.brian # O/G/A can be 1,2,4,3,6,7,5. 1 = execute, 2 = write, 4 = read. Add up to combine, i.e 755 = owner read, write, exec, group read, exec, all users read - exec. |
| 21:17.26 | Pappa | for Taraxacum |
| 21:17.29 | Poppor | any here tried to compile ipsec-tools 51 ? |
| 21:17.33 | greycat | !wikifaq Pappa Permissions |
| 21:17.33 | dpkg | Pappa: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:17.34 | ricky_clarkson | Eclipse (a Java IDE) truncates files when you're out of file space. *BASTARD* |
| 21:17.44 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: silently? :) |
| 21:17.51 | Delph | greycat: of course. |
| 21:17.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yes, like most evil things. |
| 21:17.59 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: of course, we all know the REAL culprit is that Java can't check disk space. |
| 21:18.06 | asuffield | greycat: or handle errors |
| 21:18.08 | greycat | Freenet has a similar issue. The data store size must be configured by the end user. |
| 21:18.09 | Delph | Unless it decides that being unable to save is a critical error and it should shut down without letting you even try to save files. |
| 21:18.15 | asuffield | greycat: java can only throw exceptions and crash, or swallow exceptions silently |
| 21:18.26 | Poppor | java sux |
| 21:18.39 | greycat | Poppor: um, yes, well stated. so eloquent. |
| 21:18.44 | Jalk | flowtron: with "route -n" i get the destination(correct) the gateway as 0.0.0.0, genmask as 255.255.255.0, flags U, metrics 0, ref 0, use 0, iface eth0 |
| 21:18.51 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Normal Java apps can handle the exception and tell the user "Can't write" or something. Eclipse just handles the exception and thinks "well, let's try writing a zero-length file instead". |
| 21:18.52 | Pappa | asuffield: in addition, it doesnt allow you to return values from main(). |
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| 21:19.00 | ricky_clarkson | Pappa: System.exit(1); |
| 21:19.08 | Pappa | in a void? |
| 21:19.09 | arkaoss | btw, THANKS a TON! never thought a disk usage program would solve a printing error |
| 21:19.14 | gahan | i need a gtk icq client which can import buddy list, can you recommend anything? :| |
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| 21:19.19 | ricky_clarkson | Pappa: System.exit(1); |
| 21:19.20 | greycat | because exit(1); would have been too concise and readable. |
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| 21:19.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: And because then you'd have to get exit(1) from somewhere. |
| 21:19.55 | Poppor | I'm trying to compile ipsec tools and ./configure says I have and old openssl but I have the latest .. what can I do ? |
| 21:19.57 | flowtron | Jalk : is your default route set to your gateway? are you connected directly to the iNet? |
| 21:20.00 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You could do (in Java 1.5), import static System.exit(int); I think, then just do exit(1); |
| 21:20.21 | Pappa | why is java so extremely over-verbose? lol |
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| 21:20.33 | greycat | Pappa: because it's designed by object oriented people. |
| 21:20.35 | Flimzy | !tell flowtron about msg |
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| 21:20.39 | ricky_clarkson | Pappa: Why is C (typically) so extremely hard to read? |
| 21:20.45 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's not. |
| 21:20.47 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: [NSApplication terminate]; |
| 21:20.56 | Jalk | flowtron yes i think it is |
| 21:20.58 | Pappa | C is easy to read. short and concise. |
| 21:21.13 | greycat | it can certainly be *made* hard to read, but that's true in all languages |
| 21:21.20 | Pappa | look at perl |
| 21:21.23 | ricky_clarkson | Java is verbose because Java programmers like it that way. We don't need comments to tell us what stuff means. |
| 21:21.28 | bitwalker | the power of a lang depends on the coder ;) imho (to prevent flames :D) |
| 21:21.32 | Pappa | and the ioccc |
| 21:21.34 | Pappa | lol |
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| 21:21.38 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: i've seen so horrible things done with java |
| 21:21.48 | flowtron | Jalk : what's your issue exactly? what do you want to ping and can't? |
| 21:21.52 | baz | I'm a perl coder, so I find it easier to read than C or java *shrug* |
| 21:21.54 | ricky_clarkson | Java can be made really brief by virtue of writing some helper classes, but most Java programmers don't actually care how long an identifier is. |
| 21:21.57 | Pappa | ricky_clarkson: no programmer should *really* need to comment his code |
| 21:21.58 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: like 20 or 200 lines of ugly long lines that could have been done with so little awk |
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| 21:22.00 | greycat | tarzeau: but... have you seen _non_horrible things done with it? that's the question. |
| 21:22.03 | phil_ | Hi ! When i compile the kernel (2.6.8) that i got from apt i get some unresolved symbols when it compiles some modules like this: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.6.8-486/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.ko Any idea ? |
| 21:22.08 | baz | Pappa: er, what? |
| 21:22.10 | ricky_clarkson | Pappa: Depends on the audience. |
| 21:22.12 | tarzeau | greycat: actually .. no :) have you? |
| 21:22.15 | caphuso | Pappa: you've never done much programming, haven't you? |
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| 21:22.20 | greycat | tarzeau: can't think of any |
| 21:22.32 | Pappa | if you code nicely, you shouldn't need too. |
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| 21:22.34 | Jalk | flowtron: well i just cant talk to the outside world |
| 21:22.50 | ricky_clarkson | Pappa: Try converting a prefix length to a netmask *nicely*. |
| 21:22.50 | baz | Pappa: if you write several hundred lines of code a week, and come back to parts of it years later, you do. trust me. |
| 21:22.54 | greycat | Code should be commented wherever it needs commenting. |
| 21:22.58 | Delph | Pappa: and in the real world, we all have eidetic memories, and cancer has been cured by believing in god. |
| 21:23.00 | Pappa | of course there are exceptions |
| 21:23.02 | flowtron | traceroute something, can you see your gateway as first hop? |
| 21:23.08 | helix | most code should be commented enough that it doesn't run at all |
| 21:23.10 | Taraxacum | cool description Pappa :) |
| 21:23.13 | flowtron | Jalk : is ip-forwarding activated? |
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| 21:23.23 | baz | helix: heh |
| 21:23.27 | Growly | So what can one do about a "Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init!" error while booting the debian installer? |
| 21:23.28 | Plugster | an dns prob: i have a domain (pamiro.se) if i goto that domain right page is loaded, but if i try mail.pamiro.se so should the webmail start... what DNS or apache config do i need for that to work? |
| 21:23.33 | greycat | helix: rm optimization? :) |
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| 21:23.58 | helix | shriek, my internet radio has stopped |
| 21:23.58 | caphuso | Pappa: so, assuming you're writing something that involves various complex mathematic formulas, e.g. some complicated six dimensional matrix transformations, you wouldn't like those to be documentated based on the assumption that everyone will just know how they work? |
| 21:24.06 | tarzeau | Plugster: virtual domain or so |
| 21:24.09 | ricky_clarkson | Unit tests are far more important than /* this parameter does this, and that does that */ comments. |
| 21:24.22 | greycat | Plugster: mail.pamiro.se should be an A or CNAME record. Apache needs to be configured to use virtual domains. Unless you have multiple IP addresses. |
| 21:24.27 | Jalk | flowtron: i dont know... i just started using linux today :S |
| 21:24.28 | bitwalker | caphuso: stephen would :) |
| 21:24.36 | caphuso | bitwalker: huh? |
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| 21:24.41 | tarzeau | Plugster: something like <virtualhost> ServerName www.severreisen.ch DocumentRoot /var/www/severreisen.ch |
| 21:24.46 | Pappa | caphuso: i said, there are exceptions. complex algorithms are one of them |
| 21:24.56 | greycat | helix: "shriek"? |
| 21:24.57 | bitwalker | god himself, stephen hawkin |
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| 21:25.03 | flowtron | Jalk : try "traceroute debian.org" |
| 21:25.11 | *** part/#debian __nico (~nico@AAmiens-154-1-19-32.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:25.20 | helix | greycat: yes, I shrieked |
| 21:25.24 | Jalk | seems like i dont have traceroute |
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| 21:25.32 | demon | might be in /usr/sbin ? |
| 21:25.35 | baz | bitwalker: if you've elevated him to the status of deity, perhaps you should learn how to spell his name |
| 21:25.37 | flowtron | Jalk : also take a look at "cat /etc/resolv.conf" is any nameserver specified? |
| 21:25.37 | aFlag | what package is the python freeze in? |
| 21:25.38 | tarzeau | Jalk: do you have TRACERT.EXE ? |
| 21:25.47 | Jalk | flowtron: yes it is |
| 21:25.53 | greycat | "Well, he wouldn't write down AAAAAAAAA, he'd just say it." "Perhaps he was dictating?" |
| 21:25.55 | Nwallins | i have installed icewm and xfce4, and now `startx` brings up the default X background and pointer, which I can move, but there are no on-screen buttons, and clicking the mouse does nothing |
| 21:26.11 | snoke | how i change defaut compiler ? |
| 21:26.14 | flowtron | Jalk : are you root? else use /usr/bin/traceroute or /usr/sbin/traceroute - i forget |
| 21:26.15 | Delph | mutter mutter camarrrrgh. |
| 21:26.17 | greycat | snoke: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:26.24 | tarzeau | Nwallins: clicking which mousebuttons ? maybe you release the button too quick to see something? |
| 21:26.29 | Jalk | flowtron: just instaled tracerout |
| 21:26.33 | Jalk | what now? |
| 21:26.34 | Pappa | Nwallins: edit .xsession or .xinitrc, add xfce4 or icewm at your preference.. |
| 21:26.36 | Nwallins | tarzeau: nah, totally unresponsive.. had to reboot |
| 21:26.40 | Jalk | cant find debian.org |
| 21:26.46 | tarzeau | Nwallins: which driver for x? |
| 21:26.53 | flowtron | Jalk : take a look at /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:27.04 | flowtron | Jalk : your connected via DSL? |
| 21:27.09 | Paganist | Hi ! When i compile the kernel (2.6.8) that i got from apt i get some unresolved symbols when it compiles some modules like this: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.6.8-486/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.ko Any idea ? |
| 21:27.14 | baz | Nwallins: you didn't have to reboot |
| 21:27.15 | greycat | !tell Plugster about msg |
| 21:27.16 | Nwallins | tarzeau: driver? it's an s3 integrated video unit |
| 21:27.20 | Jalk | flowtron: it has eth0 adress |
| 21:27.34 | Nwallins | baz what's the appropriate action there? |
| 21:27.37 | flowtron | in /etc/resolv.conf ??? |
| 21:27.40 | Jalk | yes |
| 21:27.47 | baz | Nwallins: ctrl alt backspace will quit X |
| 21:27.52 | Nwallins | cool thanks |
| 21:27.54 | greycat | jlj_: well, that's rather wrong. |
| 21:27.58 | flowtron | Jalk : Do you know the IP for your ISPs DNS-Server? |
| 21:27.58 | Jalk | flowtron: i believe its .0 instead of .1 |
| 21:27.58 | greycat | dammit. |
| 21:28.02 | greycat | Jalk: well, that's rather wrong. |
| 21:28.12 | tarzeau | baz: if zapping is not turned off |
| 21:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | Jalk: traceroute -n 194.109.137.218 |
| 21:28.20 | ricky_clarkson | That's debian.org's IP |
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| 21:28.48 | flowtron | Jalk : @ .0 / .1 : you probably mean network address and gateway - those are just traditional ;-) |
| 21:28.51 | baz | tarzeau: true, but it isn't by default |
| 21:28.51 | Jalk | network unreachable |
| 21:29.00 | ricky_clarkson | Jalk: route |
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| 21:29.06 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: route -n |
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| 21:29.25 | tarzeau | baz: true foobar baz! |
| 21:29.53 | Jalk | same error. |
| 21:29.54 | greycat | foo hangs out in #bash a lot. Haven't seen bar yet. |
| 21:30.01 | Plugster | sorry did i do something wrong greycat. |
| 21:30.04 | Plugster | okm but what is the diffrence betwhen a A and CNAME in the DNS, and a virtual host? |
| 21:30.05 | ricky_clarkson | Did somebody say bar? |
| 21:30.10 | ricky_clarkson | Right, that's where I'm going. |
| 21:30.12 | baz | tarzeau: I'm a perl coder - $$foo{$bar}->$baz please. |
| 21:30.14 | greycat | Plugster: install bind-doc or start googling. |
| 21:30.17 | cafuego | lastd rinks |
| 21:30.18 | greycat | Plugster: or /topic #dns |
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| 21:30.25 | tam_ | greycat: lol |
| 21:30.28 | tarzeau | Plugster: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 21:30.40 | Flimzy | Are there any howtos, or other docs, on streamlining Gnome (or even KDE) for low-memory systems? |
| 21:30.44 | cafuego | baz: perl doesn't have coders, it has priests. |
| 21:30.51 | greycat | Flimzy: apt-get remove comes to mind. |
| 21:30.59 | tarzeau | baz: *cold shudder running down my spine* [foo bar: baz]; |
| 21:31.03 | greycat | cafuego: monks, surely. |
| 21:31.10 | baz | monks indeed |
| 21:31.11 | Plugster | sorry |
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| 21:31.17 | Flimzy | greycat: hehe |
| 21:31.30 | cafuego | greycat: I was thinking 'voodoo priests' |
| 21:31.42 | tarzeau | and where does the camel fit? |
| 21:31.50 | cafuego | tarzeau: in the desert |
| 21:32.00 | baz | tarzeau: fits very comfortably TYVM |
| 21:32.04 | flowtron | Jalk : your on a DSL connection, right? |
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| 21:32.36 | flowtron | Jalk : did you run pppoeconf? |
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| 21:33.03 | Jalk | flowtron: no... im inside vmware. trying to connect to xp using vmware virtual dhcp server |
| 21:33.15 | flowtron | Jalk : your ISP should assign you a DNS server, for looking up names (and getting IP addresses back) |
| 21:33.28 | baz | Jalk: oh, now you tell us |
| 21:33.31 | flowtron | Jalk : RTFM - .... |
| 21:33.58 | Nwallins | Pappa: neither .xsession nor .xinitrc exist. is there a format to follow? i want xfce4, so just put xfce4 as the first line? |
| 21:34.00 | Jalk | well i did just that. but the FM doesnt help me ;) |
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| 21:34.32 | demon | Jalk: yeah... it sounds like you need to read the VMware docs |
| 21:34.39 | demon | you probably don't have something set up right there |
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| 21:34.57 | greycat | there should be a vmware entry in the FAQ. Q: I'm trying to install Debian in VMware and .... A: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You fool! HA-HAHAHAHAHAH!! |
| 21:35.10 | demon | heheh |
| 21:35.18 | snoke | hih |
| 21:35.20 | greycat | Get a real fucking computer, not a virtual one. |
| 21:35.29 | Jalk | why do you think that? it isnt dificult to install debian inside vmware :) |
| 21:35.35 | demon | install the real OS on the real computer |
| 21:35.37 | pipeline | It's actually very, very easy |
| 21:35.40 | baz | Jalk: why are you in here then? |
| 21:35.41 | demon | then install Windows in vmware |
| 21:35.47 | stew | !vmware support |
| 21:35.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vmware support is for vmware support go to http://vmware.com/support |
| 21:35.51 | CoffeeMUG | vmware has issues with harddrives |
| 21:35.51 | Flimzy | pipeline: Why would you want to admit knowing that? |
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| 21:36.00 | pipeline | Flimzy: I use VMware all the time. |
| 21:36.08 | Flimzy | pipeline: I'm sorry. |
| 21:36.16 | pipeline | Flimzy: Sorry why? It's the finest product of its kind. |
| 21:36.38 | benjamindees | pipeline, sorry you have to run Windows :( |
| 21:36.42 | pipeline | Jalk: Also, your problems are with vmware, not debian. Join #vmware. Mail vmware support, or call them. |
| 21:36.54 | demon | or read the VMware docs |
| 21:36.54 | cafuego | I like to blow up lizards! |
| 21:36.57 | pipeline | benjamindees: VMware runs on linux. |
| 21:36.57 | Jalk | no.. vmware is ok. |
| 21:37.05 | mrhemlock | and do have credit cards ready |
| 21:37.13 | sfb | I have excellent luck with my ESX server. |
| 21:37.14 | demon | vmware's a lot better than the alternatives |
| 21:37.20 | demon | like MS VPC |
| 21:37.25 | pipeline | VMware is vastly superior to VPC in every way |
| 21:37.25 | benjamindees | pipeline, yeah, but, linux on vmware on linux... why... |
| 21:37.27 | sfb | ESX + VirtualSMP + vMotion makes for nice HA. |
| 21:37.28 | baz | demon: like a proper computer? |
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| 21:37.44 | pipeline | benjamindees: I wanted to see what Sarge is like. |
| 21:37.52 | demon | baz: yes, but not everyone wants (or can afford) separate machines to try every possible OS |
| 21:37.57 | greycat | dpkg, no, vmware support is not offered here; go to <http://vmware.com/support> instead. |
| 21:37.57 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 21:38.18 | benjamindees | anyone who can afford vmware can afford a test box |
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| 21:38.43 | sfb | *A* test box maybe. |
| 21:38.48 | pipeline | benjamindees: Academic licenses are only like 120$. And I have lots of test machines. I'm just too lazy to set them up. Also, the 5 beta allows for trees of multiple snapshots. It's very, very, very nice. |
| 21:38.48 | cafuego | hardware is harder to pirate |
| 21:38.49 | benjamindees | besides, they tell me (if I can get it running) that win4lin is faster ;) |
| 21:38.52 | baz | demon: you can get a spare pc for less than the cost of vmware, and format/install each OS you want to test on it in turn |
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| 21:38.56 | Eclipser | do I have to manually install alsa on custom 2.4.x kernel? |
| 21:38.58 | sfb | But if you want to test an entire environment - that's different. |
| 21:39.06 | sfb | Look at my PeopleSoft group. 14 servers. |
| 21:39.17 | pipeline | Eclipser: You have to install the alsa modules. If you're not using a stock kernel, yes. |
| 21:39.17 | sfb | I could buy 14 Dells or 1 big ESX server. |
| 21:39.22 | sfb | Which one saves money? |
| 21:39.42 | travisat | i'd probably get the 1 big one |
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| 21:39.45 | pipeline | benjamindees: win4lin doesn't run SCO OSR5. win4lin doesn't run Debian. |
| 21:39.48 | eeyore- | afternoon! |
| 21:39.49 | xpato | how can i send the standar error to /dev/null? |
| 21:39.50 | cafuego | sfb: 14 Dells would need a service call at least once a week for 3 years. |
| 21:40.11 | eeyore- | xpato: 2>/dev/null |
| 21:40.12 | Paganist | Hi ! When i compile the kernel (2.6.8) that i got from apt i get some unresolved symbols when it compiles some modules like this: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.6.8-486/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.ko Any idea ? |
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| 21:40.15 | sfb | How do you figure? |
| 21:40.23 | travisat | unless I wanted to beowulf the suckers |
| 21:40.29 | eeyore- | xpato: or, &> /dev/null to send both 1 and 2 to the bit bucket |
| 21:40.32 | sfb | I've had Dell out twice for one issue or another. |
| 21:40.34 | demon | ... not that anyone would want to run SCO OSR5 :) |
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| 21:40.45 | sfb | We're at about 86 not including our datacenters. |
| 21:40.48 | sfb | Plus the SAN. |
| 21:40.54 | pipeline | demon: Understatement of the year |
| 21:40.59 | cafuego | sfb: I've had dells (laptops - 4 of them) which required CONSTANT service and parts replacement. |
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| 21:41.16 | travisat | cafuego: funny me dell laptop has never needed service |
| 21:41.18 | eeyore- | cafuego: they (dell) still use IBM/Hitachi deathstars |
| 21:41.21 | tam_ | cafuego: my dell laptop has never had a problem |
| 21:41.21 | cafuego | sfb: No power on this earth will make me buy from them again, ever. |
| 21:41.34 | eeyore- | travisat: s/$/ that i knew of |
| 21:41.35 | CoffeeMUG | i manage 30 dell machines and ~5 have had problems |
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| 21:41.52 | sfb | Yeah. We've had about 6 laptops come back from the field. |
| 21:41.56 | eeyore- | tam_: that you knew of |
| 21:41.57 | sfb | Out of over 500. |
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| 21:42.14 | baz | sfb: sounds like you got the 494 good ones. in the world. |
| 21:42.15 | tam_ | eeyore-: yeah, hehe |
| 21:42.15 | sfb | I have to say I have not had problems with Dell like I did with Compaq and IBM. |
| 21:42.24 | cafuego | As for desktops, I can build them for less than what a dell costs - at better quality (and with AMD chips) |
| 21:42.32 | SpamHog | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.33 | eeyore- | tam_: with dell, it's always certain something will die. the panel. drive. hey, try this on for size: call dell and say your memory is bad. |
| 21:42.35 | benjamindees | yeah, I don't knock Dell, they're good for what they are... cheap |
| 21:42.52 | pipeline | cafuego: Bullshit. Dell can get down to less than the cost of parts these days. Fuck building them. |
| 21:42.53 | eeyore- | tam_: there's no way in hell they'll let you replace memory as long as it passes the BIOS memory test ;-) |
| 21:42.58 | travisat | cafuego: I think it depends on what dell you get, some lines work great, others fuck up a lot |
| 21:43.22 | pipeline | cafuego: Dell will sell you a Celeron D system for $250. Just try to meet that. |
| 21:43.28 | sfb | Besides when you have as many desktops, servers and laptops as I have.. Building them would be a fulltime job for several people. |
| 21:43.34 | sfb | You have to do your ROI, man. |
| 21:43.41 | travisat | pipeline: that dell will probably suck and need replacement |
| 21:43.45 | vchrizz | hum, does anyone know something about this bug? www.google.com/search?q=ipv6+168776 (more than one 'address' stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for ipv6) |
| 21:43.45 | tam_ | eeyore-: fsck, i never knew they were that bad :( |
| 21:44.02 | tam_ | eeyore-: i'll just flog it to my da just like i sold him my ibook |
| 21:44.03 | pipeline | travisat: Yeah, and Dell will replace it. What kind of computer are you going to build on a $250 budget that will suck less than the Dell? It's all the same taiwanese garbage. |
| 21:44.07 | benjamindees | sfb, don't you mean TCO ? |
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| 21:44.15 | pipeline | benjamindees: No, he means ROI. |
| 21:44.27 | SpamHog | I don't buy Dell precisely because I don't know what parts I get... |
| 21:44.29 | baz | ROI? |
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| 21:44.30 | pipeline | benjamindees: TCO would be the ongoing cost, which is probably going to be about the same either wy. |
| 21:44.37 | sfb | Return on Investment |
| 21:44.39 | travisat | pipeline: good point, but I'd rather just save my money |
| 21:44.41 | baz | ah |
| 21:44.53 | benjamindees | pipeline, umm, maybe neither then |
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| 21:45.21 | eeyore- | tam_: i had to buy mushkin memory to replace the ram in our desktops that were bad |
| 21:45.40 | pipeline | SpamHog: You don't know what you get from anyone. As I said, it's all the exact same taiwanese garbage. Dell, Compaq, HP, Toshiba and IBM all rebrand the same notebooks occasionally. Abit, Asus, and MSI are all buying from the same PCB and parts vendors. |
| 21:45.54 | eeyore- | pipeline: i don't build $250 budget computers ;-) |
| 21:45.56 | pipeline | SpamHog: That's what the PC world is about: Economies of scale. Who cares if quality is shit? Buy two. |
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| 21:45.58 | Flimzy | Is there any way to disable a the 'tap = click' feature of a touchpad, or to reduce its sensativity? |
| 21:46.08 | benjamindees | pipeline, and, actually, TCO is up front and ongoing costs |
| 21:46.08 | pipeline | Flimzy: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Synaptic? |
| 21:46.08 | SpamHog | that's why I build.... too bad I can't do that for laptops... |
| 21:46.10 | tam_ | eeyore-: thanks for the info! |
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| 21:46.40 | Flimzy | pipeline: It's the touchpad on a Dell Latitude laptop. |
| 21:46.55 | helix | grumble. I need a webapp. |
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| 21:47.02 | pipeline | SpamHog: When you build, you're buying the exact same taiwanese crap. I don't think you're getting the point here. Did you commision your motherboard's design at a local blueboard house? No? Then it's the same shit you get from Dell. |
| 21:47.09 | pipeline | Flimzy: Probably synaptics, then. |
| 21:47.14 | pipeline | Flimzy: Google for synaptics touchpad tapping |
| 21:47.23 | Flimzy | pipeline: okay, thanks. |
| 21:47.49 | Jonek | I am trying to download the unofficial business card cd image. Just an hour ago, my download was stopped, and when I look for the image now, its not there anymore on the server? Why is that, is it because of a rebuild? |
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| 21:48.27 | pipeline | Jonek: Perhaps it was simply moved |
| 21:48.32 | sfb | Okay. |
| 21:48.36 | sfb | 2.4 booted. |
| 21:48.59 | Jonek | well, it seems then that all the daily builds have been removed |
| 21:49.01 | pipeline | SpamHog: I love PC hardware, and I choose parts carefully, but I don't pretend that the quality is ever very good. |
| 21:49.14 | baz | Jonek: I believe RC3 is due out today. perhaps that's something to do with it |
| 21:49.32 | Jonek | Ahh, that sounds great |
| 21:49.49 | Jonek | First time ever I tried to download @ release time :-) |
| 21:49.49 | cafuego | C3 is due out today - so that means we'll be able to fetch it starting in May? |
| 21:50.28 | sfb | Great, 2.4 boots with my video driver but not my NIC. |
| 21:50.32 | mrhemlock | <<< already has his copy |
| 21:50.34 | sfb | f'n a. |
| 21:51.10 | Jonek | mrhemlock: rc3? |
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| 21:51.26 | mrhemlock | <<<< JOKE |
| 21:51.30 | SpamHog | pipeline: you buy late, try to stay away from components/families that get bad reviews - but it's an imperfect process (models come and go FAST), plus it's a ton of work, which adds to TCO :( |
| 21:51.34 | dli | anyone emerged mozilla-1.7.6? |
| 21:51.50 | demon | emerge? |
| 21:51.54 | baz | dli: er, what? |
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| 21:52.09 | dli | baz: some error in "ld" |
| 21:52.15 | green_earz | Jonek: it look like the site is down for the moment |
| 21:52.22 | baz | dli: emerge? |
| 21:52.24 | pipeline | SpamHog: I don't do the flash-in-the-pan shit. I don't buy anything marketted towards hobbyists. I don't buy anything that isn't from a company I've at least heard of. I don't buy anything that doesn't have serial ports. |
| 21:52.26 | greycat | dli: some error in dli. |
| 21:52.42 | dli | greycat, sorry, this is #debian |
| 21:52.55 | baz | dli: correct |
| 21:53.11 | Nwallins | how do i specify the destktop environment / window manager that i want x to use? |
| 21:53.25 | pipeline | Nwallins: ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
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| 21:53.40 | pipeline | Nwallins: Alternatively, just choose a new session type at the display manager screen and tell it to make it the default when it asks you. |
| 21:53.41 | sfb | Why the hell is it so hard to upgrade kernels in Debian. |
| 21:53.42 | sfb | heh. |
| 21:53.49 | demon | hard? |
| 21:53.51 | Nwallins | pipeline: i added xfce and xfce4 alternatively to .xsession and got file not found error |
| 21:53.55 | Active2 | euh hard ? |
| 21:53.58 | pipeline | sfb: I find it pretty easy as long as mkinitrd doesn't screww me. |
| 21:53.59 | baz | sfb: apt-get install kernel-image-bla is hard? |
| 21:54.02 | demon | what's hard about upgrading kernels? |
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| 21:54.19 | sfb | Sure, did that. And now most of my PCI-based peripherals don't work. |
| 21:54.19 | Nwallins | pipeline: i don't get a display manager screen |
| 21:54.25 | pipeline | Nwallins: Welcome to 1989 -- I'm not afraid of overhead from using a display manager. I don't mess with ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession anymore. |
| 21:54.25 | demon | if you're building manually, ok... if you're using packaged kernels... what's the trouble? |
| 21:54.30 | demon | sfb: apt-get install discover? |
| 21:54.33 | sfb | I had to roll back to 2.4 to get video. |
| 21:54.34 | pipeline | Nwallins: Install gdm , then. |
| 21:54.46 | cafuego | sfb: You didn't upgrade from a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel, did you? |
| 21:54.50 | Chris62vw | what network time daemon should I be running? I want it to start at boot and keep track of time |
| 21:54.55 | Nwallins | pipeline: ok, checking it out.. thanks |
| 21:54.57 | Chris62vw | with a time server on the internet of course |
| 21:54.59 | sfb | No, 2.2 |
| 21:55.09 | Active2 | sfb: you did install module-init-tools ? |
| 21:55.10 | baz | 2.2? *blink* |
| 21:55.15 | cafuego | 2.2 to 2.4 or 2.2 to 2.6? |
| 21:55.23 | cafuego | Does that mean you're on woody? |
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| 21:55.28 | baz | Chris62vw: ntpdate |
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| 21:55.30 | sfb | Was. |
| 21:55.35 | sfb | dist upgraded to unstable. |
| 21:55.38 | demon | module-init-tools should be dep'd by the kernel packages... |
| 21:55.40 | baz | heheh |
| 21:55.44 | cafuego | And now you're on sarge with a 2.6 kernel and not module-init-tools. |
| 21:55.45 | pipeline | Nwallins: If you use a display manager, you should delete ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession |
| 21:55.49 | baz | I love it when people install unstable, and then complain that it's unstable |
| 21:55.56 | Nwallins | pipeline: will do.. thx |
| 21:55.57 | dambodog | i am trying to setup a mirror on my box so i can install debian onto other boxes over the network -- this is the error that i'm getting: |
| 21:56.01 | dambodog | Won't mirror without dists/sarg/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1187. |
| 21:56.06 | Chris62vw | thanks baz |
| 21:56.09 | dambodog | ideas why? |
| 21:56.10 | sfb | I have module-init-tools installed. |
| 21:56.26 | cafuego | sfb: Then the modules probably got renamed. |
| 21:56.28 | demon | dambodog: check your spelling |
| 21:56.31 | pipeline | dambodog: You have to do more than just mirror the files. There are guides available. |
| 21:56.32 | greycat | demon: well, *in theory*, someone *might* be able to use one of them without loading any modules... right? |
| 21:56.34 | cafuego | sfb: install discover1 and putplug |
| 21:56.39 | cafuego | eh, hotplug |
| 21:56.46 | sfb | Okay. I just got back into 2.2 |
| 21:56.57 | Flimzy | I've never used a sound daemon before... Is there any reason to use one on a stand-alone machine (laptop in this case)? |
| 21:57.05 | cafuego | Flimzy: yes. |
| 21:57.06 | demon | greycat: well, they'd have to build their own kernel... which if you're going that, that's a whole other can of worms |
| 21:57.15 | Nwallins | pipeline: should i use `xdm` instead, as i'm not running gnome? i'm looking for lightweight enviro (AMD K6-300) |
| 21:57.20 | benjamindees | Flimzy, playing sound from more than one app at a time |
| 21:57.22 | cafuego | Flimzy: Multiple apps using the sound deamon simultaneously. |
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| 21:57.31 | demon | greycat: the packaged kernels load drivers for IDE/SCSI controllers in the initrd, and such |
| 21:57.34 | cafuego | Flimzy: OSS can't do that. |
| 21:57.36 | Flimzy | cafuego: In that case, how should I select one? |
| 21:57.50 | pipeline | Flimzy: Don't bother with a sound daemon |
| 21:57.52 | demon | greycat: so it wouldn't work very well... |
| 21:57.55 | greycat | !info module-init-tools sarge |
| 21:57.56 | pipeline | Flimzy: Use ALSA + dmix |
| 21:57.57 | dambodog | pipeline, any recommendations? i tried http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsyn and /usr/share/doc/fai/examples/utils |
| 21:57.59 | cafuego | Flimzy: Start it with the WM. Which desktop environment do you run? |
| 21:57.59 | sfb | discover or discover1? |
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| 21:58.04 | cafuego | sfb: discover1 |
| 21:58.09 | pipeline | dambodog: I would search on the intarweb. |
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| 21:58.21 | sfb | Why not 2? |
| 21:58.28 | derek_ | whats a good commandline irc client? |
| 21:58.29 | Flimzy | cafuego: For now, gnome. |
| 21:58.38 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is required. Version: 3.2-pre1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 292 kB |
| 21:58.38 | oaQ^ | derek_: irssi |
| 21:58.40 | greycat | derek_: irssi |
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| 21:58.40 | Flimzy | pipeline: I can't use ALSA |
| 21:58.44 | derek_ | thanks |
| 21:58.47 | pipeline | Flimzy: dmix + alsa allows you to present ordinary OSS device nodes to applications and have it "just work" |
| 21:58.49 | greycat | demon: "is required" |
| 21:58.54 | pipeline | Flimzy: You can't use ALSA? o_0 |
| 21:58.59 | Flimzy | derek_: What's a good pizza topping? |
| 21:59.01 | greycat | demon: but it could be an issue when upgrading from woody, I guess |
| 21:59.03 | cafuego | Flimzy: Gnome uses esound, should have started all by itself. |
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| 21:59.16 | pipeline | cafuego, Flimzy: gnome doesn't start esound by default. You have to enable it in preferences. |
| 21:59.19 | Flimzy | pipeline: ALSA doesn't work with my soundcard |
| 21:59.20 | cafuego | Flimzy: blue cheese and pear. |
| 21:59.31 | Flimzy | cafuego: okay |
| 21:59.35 | pipeline | Flimzy: but OSS does? on a latitude? What soundcard do you have? |
| 21:59.37 | demon | greycat: well, since it's listed as a Depends: for the package, dpkg wouldn't let you install the kernel packages for any 2.6.x kernel without module-init-tools |
| 21:59.41 | eeyore- | bbl, booting to ck-sources |
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| 22:00.00 | Flimzy | pipeline: ALSA "supports" it... the driver just doesn't load. |
| 22:00.07 | Flimzy | pipeline: It's a CS4237B |
| 22:00.09 | mrhemlock | what is fastest way to make $1,000,000 ? |
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| 22:00.15 | Flimzy | mrhappymac: Legally? |
| 22:00.15 | greycat | mrhemlock: steal it |
| 22:00.18 | cafuego | mrhemlock: rob a bank |
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| 22:00.21 | baz | mrhemlock: printing press |
| 22:00.31 | greycat | baz: I think robbery would be faster |
| 22:00.32 | Flimzy | cafuego: blue cheese and pear? |
| 22:00.34 | demon | mrhemlock: embezzlement |
| 22:00.35 | cafuego | Find atasmanian tiger |
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| 22:00.46 | dambodog | pipeline, whatever mirror i am using i am getting the following error - Won't mirror without dists/sarg/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1187. -- i've tried to use this script ==> /usr/share/doc/fai/examples/utils/mkdebmirror |
| 22:00.47 | cafuego | Flimzy: blue cheese and pear are very nice indeed on a pizza |
| 22:00.47 | pipeline | Flimzy: The driver won't load because you have OSS modules loaded, perhaps? Blacklist all of the OSS modules, install alsa-base and alsa-utils, then reboot. |
| 22:00.51 | demon | mrhemlock: or insider trading |
| 22:00.53 | Flimzy | cafuego: ah... hehe |
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| 22:01.00 | Flimzy | pipeline: No, it won't load b/c it's a POS |
| 22:01.07 | mrhemlock | I could always run for emperor of USA |
| 22:01.07 | Flimzy | pipeline: Google is full of ppl who have the same problem. |
| 22:01.25 | pipeline | Flimzy: What a royal pain in the ass. I'll tell you now: esound and arts fucking suck. |
| 22:01.34 | foobarmike | \quit |
| 22:01.38 | baz | lol |
| 22:01.39 | Flimzy | pipeline: Well, at this point ALSA sucks more for me. |
| 22:01.42 | pipeline | Flimzy: jackd isn't so bad, but it's a pain to set up and mainly works with fancy audio editing software |
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| 22:02.43 | Flimzy | pipeline: Most I'll be using is DE events, XMMS, and mplayer/xine. |
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| 22:02.52 | Flimzy | pipeline: maybe a few worthless games. |
| 22:02.53 | McLamb | pretty cool |
| 22:03.05 | pipeline | Flimzy: Yeah, you're going to have to play with esd buffering :( |
| 22:03.16 | Nijan__ | #wesnoth-it |
| 22:03.17 | Flimzy | pipeline: whatever that is |
| 22:03.21 | pipeline | Flimzy: I found rise of the triad and quake 2 unplayable on my laptop with esd due to laggy sound |
| 22:03.44 | Flimzy | pipeline: quake 2 will probably be unplayable on my laptop due to lack of CPU speed. |
| 22:04.04 | Flimzy | pipeline: I don't like playing fast-paced games on old LCDs anyway. |
| 22:04.18 | Nwallins | i had icewm working, then i wanted to compare it xfce4 performance-wise. so i installed xfce4, and now I get a default X background with default X pointer, and nothing else. clicking the mouse does nothing. |
| 22:04.51 | sfb | Sweet, thanks! |
| 22:04.51 | Nwallins | i'd be fine just to go back to icewm, or to get xfce working. .xsession-errors shows xfce erroring, trying to find margin.xml.top or something like that |
| 22:04.58 | sfb | discovery1 and hotplug fixed the problem. |
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| 22:05.23 | travisat | damn I get the strangest error with software suspend 2, it works great if there isn't some large amount of time between hibernating and then turning back on, if there is a large amount of time it freezes |
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| 22:06.13 | Flimzy | man, even an 8-pt font looks huge on this display |
| 22:06.14 | pipeline | Flimzy: Heh, rise of the triad has been ported to linux |
| 22:06.26 | pipeline | Flimzy: And it's a freaking blast if you use the svgalib version |
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| 22:06.52 | Nwallins | mmm... rott |
| 22:06.52 | epitaph | hey guys, i'm having a strange problem that i've never encountered before... |
| 22:07.02 | epitaph | for some reason, when i run 'chown', it segfaults... |
| 22:07.11 | epitaph | no parameters.. it doesn't get to do anything.. it just segfaults |
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| 22:07.33 | epitaph | this machine hasn't been updated in a while |
| 22:07.38 | epitaph | it must've started happening recently |
| 22:07.42 | epitaph | any idea how i can diagnose the cause? |
| 22:07.43 | baz | epitaph: that's bad |
| 22:07.48 | baz | epitaph: strace chown? |
| 22:07.55 | epitaph | i tried that.. |
| 22:08.02 | epitaph | munmap(0x40018000, 27697) = 0 |
| 22:08.02 | epitaph | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 22:08.09 | McLamb | is there anyway to change the background color for irssi |
| 22:08.09 | epitaph | no idea what that means :) |
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| 22:08.28 | pientra | Who can give me their /etc/apache2 directory? I have uninstalled apache2 and when I didn't needed it I deleted and though that it would make the dir and confs again if i reinstalled it, but it doesn't. So I would appreciate the default configs |
| 22:08.31 | greycat | McLamb: of course there is. install a theme, see irssi.org, see #irssi |
| 22:08.46 | McLamb | thanks greycat |
| 22:08.46 | travisat | McLamb: or just change the bg of the term |
| 22:08.59 | greycat | pientra: dpkg --purge it, then install it again. |
| 22:08.59 | sfb | Challenge #2: Get sound working. |
| 22:09.02 | Flimzy | Hrm... setting the DE's idea of the display's dpi from 96 to 105 makes everything larger... I don't want that! |
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| 22:09.06 | eeyore- | pientra: --force-confmiss |
| 22:09.19 | travisat | McLamb: unless you are running irssi in the console |
| 22:09.26 | mufa | hi: If I have a web server on a computer with a internal ip (192.168.0.x) and I want to view it from the internet, do I have to do anything else except DNAT on the firewall ? |
| 22:09.28 | Flimzy | Unless I can reduce the font size to < 8 |
| 22:09.45 | jerome | pientra: apache2-common anyway, not apache2 |
| 22:09.53 | eeyore- | mufa: that would be sufficient, unless your ISP is blocking port 80 access. in which case, you're screwed |
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| 22:10.08 | greycat | or run it on a different port |
| 22:10.09 | astronut | what's a good tool to use to check proxies to see if they're open? |
| 22:10.17 | greycat | astronut: netcat |
| 22:10.21 | eeyore- | greycat: oh, true ;-) |
| 22:10.23 | mufa | eeyore-: my isp doesnt block anything |
| 22:10.30 | Flimzy | 7pt @ 106dpi seems readable enough |
| 22:10.31 | pientra | greycat: dpkg --purge apache2 or how does it go? |
| 22:10.34 | astronut | greycat: looking more for multiple proxies, at a faster rate |
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| 22:10.45 | epitaph | pientra: apache2-common |
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| 22:11.06 | dambodog | does this msg mean i need to fix my pkg - signature packages.gz ? Won't mirror without dists/sarg/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1187 |
| 22:11.25 | pientra | epitaph: it has some dependency problems |
| 22:11.27 | Growly | What does "Kernel error: Fatal exception in interrupt" mean?! |
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| 22:11.38 | Growly | Rather, what's causes the problem? |
| 22:11.43 | epitaph | pientra: dpkg --purge --force-all apache2-common :D |
| 22:12.10 | Flimzy | Now I gotta figger out how to change the size of the silly icons |
| 22:12.25 | epitaph | pientra: then dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common<press tab> |
| 22:12.48 | chops | Is there any way to compile+install lirc-modules-source with a debian binary kernel image, or do I have to compile a custom kernel? |
| 22:13.24 | Flimzy | chops: I have no idea what lirc-modules-source is... but you can probably do it if you install the kernel-headers package |
| 22:13.32 | pipeline | chops: Debian has that kind of thing planned for |
| 22:13.34 | pientra | epitaph: very nice |
| 22:13.40 | pientra | epitaph: thank you |
| 22:13.40 | chops | Flimzy: I tried kernel-headers; it didn't work |
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| 22:13.52 | chops | (sec, I'll elaborate :-) |
| 22:13.55 | pipeline | chops: Read the readme files that come with the lirc-modules-source and install kernel-headers-<your kernel version> |
| 22:14.13 | jerome | hum, ps returns something like 50 apache2 processes running, which is normal according to the conf. However, it also returns 30 vsftpd processes which is pretty strange as connections are over ... |
| 22:14.24 | pipeline | chops: short version: you probably have to cd to /usr/src/modules/lirc or something and run "debian/rules binary_modules" or something like that. |
| 22:14.48 | chops | Yah, I got a compile error. I assumed it was because I did the wrong thing... |
| 22:14.58 | chops | I guess a genuine error is not out of the question. |
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| 22:15.50 | chops | It only managed to compile one .c file, though. I did precisely as you recommend, yes. |
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| 22:16.22 | chops | ("you" == pipeline) |
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| 22:17.01 | pipeline | chops: I think you should have read the precise instructions that come with the package, not listen to me |
| 22:17.10 | chops | pipeline: No, the package said the same thing. |
| 22:17.11 | pipeline | chops: /usr/share/doc/<package name> usually has a README.Debian in it |
| 22:17.24 | pipeline | chops: Do you have the correct kernel headers package installed? |
| 22:17.28 | pipeline | chops: Are you trying to do something impossible? |
| 22:17.34 | pipeline | chops: Do you have a compiler? |
| 22:17.35 | Nwallins | ok, so i installed xdm. now, i log in, and i'm still stuck with a default x background and a worthless pointer. now I can't even get to the cmd line with ctl-alt-backspace |
| 22:17.53 | chops | Nwallins: Try Ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 22:18.02 | Taraxacum | is there any good ftp client for gnome? |
| 22:18.08 | pipeline | Nwallins: xdm will use ~/.xsession instead of ~/.xinitrc -- gdm is much nicer than xdm |
| 22:18.09 | McLamb | irssi is cool |
| 22:18.23 | Taraxacum | that's no ftp client |
| 22:18.29 | pipeline | Taraxacum: gftp is tolerable. It's not very good. There are pretty much no decent graphical ftp clients for any desktop. |
| 22:18.32 | Nwallins | ctrl-alt-f1 worked.. thanks |
| 22:18.45 | Taraxacum | that sucks :( |
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| 22:18.58 | McLamb | Taraxacum: not an anwser :) |
| 22:19.04 | Sh4dowcat | hi does anyone know where the rivafb option is in the kernel config? |
| 22:19.05 | Nwallins | it looks like installing xfce4 hosed some config. i apt-get removed it but i'm still stuck |
| 22:19.34 | Taraxacum | it was a statement :) |
| 22:19.35 | pientra | epitaph: BTW: Do you know a how to that describes how to implement PHP in Apache2? |
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| 22:20.30 | pipeline | Nwallins: you have to remove with --purge to remove configurations, but I doubt xfce4 hosed anything. Delete ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc and install gdm. |
| 22:20.40 | Flimzy | I think I've decided that gnome is way cooler than KDE |
| 22:20.56 | chops | pipeline: Hmm... doing something impossible is an excellent possibility. The error I get is a failure to include bttv.h, which isn't in my (Debianized) 2.4 kernel source, and _is_ in my (upstream) 2.6 kernel source. |
| 22:21.06 | Nwallins | pipeline: cool.. will do. |
| 22:21.15 | chops | So it's possible that lirc-modules-source only applies to 2.6. I'll check that out; thanks. |
| 22:21.17 | pipeline | Flimzy: Hardly surprising. I made that decision when Gnome had hardly been developed yet, as absolutely anything, even vaporware, had to be better than KDE 2.x |
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| 22:21.43 | pipeline | chops: lirc is hard to get going anyway |
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| 22:22.03 | pipeline | chops: Also, you shouldn't be futzing with a kernel source tree. |
| 22:22.34 | pipeline | Flimzy: Something you can do to make gnome a hell of a lot better is install "gnome-system-tools", "gnome-utils", and "fam" |
| 22:22.34 | chops | pipeline: ? If I want modules that aren't in the standard Debian kernel, what choice do I have but to futz with a kernel source tree? |
| 22:22.46 | stouset | pipeline: Well, GNOME 1 wasn't very good. I never got acquainted with KDE 2, but I find it hard to believe that anything could have been worse than GNOME 1.4 :-) |
| 22:22.53 | pipeline | chops: You install the kernel headers packages, which have a minimal kernel source tree that's pre-configured etc |
| 22:23.06 | chops | pipeline: Yes, that's what I'm doing. |
| 22:23.11 | pipeline | stouset: Eheh. the gnome-panel was so awful that back then, I used wmaker to run a lot of gnome apps. |
| 22:23.23 | stouset | pipeline: GTK1 was about as aesthetically pleasing as three-week old vomit |
| 22:23.59 | pipeline | stouset: I liked GTK applications because they were usually of good quality. And GTK1 was pretty themeable, even back then. Ah, buffy engine, how we miss thee |
| 22:24.37 | travisat | stouset: so theme the damn thing |
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| 22:25.20 | stouset | pipeline: Can't really talk with any authority there. I started using GNOME not long after Woody released, using unstable, so I was around about when GNOME 2 got released. I remember being very happy every time some application had been reworked with GTK2 :-) |
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| 22:25.33 | stouset | travisat: Even then it looked like poo :-) |
| 22:25.40 | Lers | hm i get this error when running hdparm on my drive |
| 22:25.45 | Lers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.46 | Lers | HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 22:25.48 | eeyore- | gtk2 is da bomb |
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| 22:25.58 | Lers | anyone know what kernel module im missing? |
| 22:26.08 | pipeline | stouset: Heh, I was a stick in the mud. The early versions of Gnome 2 were terribly slow and terribly buggy. Now I cheer every time an ancient legacy app is updated. |
| 22:26.14 | stouset | Lers: That doesn't sound like a missing kernel module... |
| 22:26.21 | eeyore- | Lers: "inappropriate ioctl" is not solved by adding modules |
| 22:26.22 | pipeline | stouset: e.g. the recent f-spot release. It's a clone of an ancient GTK 1.x app that refused to update. |
| 22:26.30 | atrus | wait till some of this cairo stuff starts happening. stuff is looking so cool. http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//xshots |
| 22:26.35 | eeyore- | Lers: it's solved by either fixing the code, or replacing the hardware with one that's more compliant |
| 22:26.42 | stouset | pipeline: Ever since GNOME 2, I find I can't stand apps like mplayer and xmms. Argh, ugly menus ;( |
| 22:26.53 | Nwallins | .xsession shows 'xfce-mcs-manager lost its connection to display :0.0;' or somesuch, even though i've apt-get removed xfce4 |
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| 22:27.05 | Nwallins | err.. .xsession-errors |
| 22:27.07 | stouset | Lers: What drive is it you're trying? |
| 22:27.09 | pipeline | stouset: I hate xmms just because I hate skins. Mplayer is lovely specifically because there are no menus and no widgets. Just OSD. and a terminal :) |
| 22:27.27 | stouset | pipeline: pardon, I was referring to gmplayer |
| 22:27.49 | Lers | I have a dell poweredge 750 and its two 80gb sata drives |
| 22:27.59 | eeyore- | atrus: i like cairo. too bad there are issues using it with directfb. my "lite" mii board now runs completely with directfb so everything i want to run on it has to be directfb-capable |
| 22:28.00 | Lers | 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.26.02.000. |
| 22:28.05 | Lers | Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1.2-lk2 Mar 23 2005) |
| 22:28.13 | cafuego | Lers: Sadly, hdparm doesn't support sata. |
| 22:28.19 | pipeline | eeyore-: mii board? |
| 22:28.21 | Nwallins | pipeline: i would have installed gdm, but apt wanted to install 50 meg worth of gnome libs, etc. i won't be running gnome |
| 22:28.22 | eeyore- | atrus: i want to resurrect my "jeep clock" to run on it ;-) it's a hack of freedesktop clock, but i like it |
| 22:28.24 | Lers | oh |
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| 22:28.34 | Lers | great |
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| 22:28.41 | eeyore- | pipeline: yeah, mii-10000, it's now running a tiny busybox-based setup (PXE netboot) |
| 22:28.53 | cafuego | Lers: Well, not fully anyway, as you can see. |
| 22:28.58 | pipeline | Nwallins: gdm is by far the nicest display manager available. Your other options are xdm/kdm (kdm is just xdm with qt interface) and wdm, which just sucks. |
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| 22:29.06 | cafuego | Lers: Mine gives the same output. |
| 22:29.07 | eeyore- | pipeline: used to run gentoo, and before that, debian |
| 22:29.16 | stouset | pipeline: I've started reading up on usability, and I'm beginning to realize why I hated mplayer and xmms other than just the menus. Those damn interfaces are so freaking small, and a pain in the ass to use. Making them look like car stereos is a *bad* idea, because car stereos have crappy interfaces because they try to do a ton in very little space. |
| 22:29.17 | Lers | cool |
| 22:29.32 | Taraxacum | is it possible to write to a ntfs partition from a linux environment without dataloss? |
| 22:29.33 | Nwallins | pipeline: my problem is that x is still trying to use xfce. i believe that is independent of the display manger |
| 22:29.39 | cafuego | Not that it matters, as hdparm is pretty much deprecated. blktool is the new one, i think. |
| 22:29.41 | Lers | Im experiencing that my console lags when accessing over ssh |
| 22:29.42 | stouset | pipeline: car stereos don't have menus, so everything has to have a button. And they're space limited, so all the buttons are mindlessly small. Duplicating this is a BAD IDEA. |
| 22:29.55 | Lers | trying to find out what I have done wrong |
| 22:30.04 | travisat | Taraxacum: not really |
| 22:30.13 | eeyore- | stouset: *that* is what i'm trying to do now :-) i'm stuffing an epia board in to my car and i'll need an 840x480 interface to control everything ;-) |
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| 22:30.21 | Lers | the performance seems to be ok.. a vanilla kernel takes 4 minutes to compile |
| 22:30.25 | Lers | but my console lags.. |
| 22:30.28 | pipeline | Nwallins: X isn't trying to do anything. |
| 22:30.29 | travisat | Taraxacum: its technically possible, but not advisable |
| 22:30.36 | cafuego | Lers: Network issues |
| 22:30.45 | Nwallins | pipeline: what config is telling x to use xfce-mcs-manager? |
| 22:30.47 | Taraxacum | does that means it works but with no guarantee? |
| 22:30.52 | stouset | Nwallins: check the symlink on /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 22:30.53 | pipeline | Nwallins: startx, the moronic script that people seem to love so @#$! much, probably. |
| 22:30.57 | Lers | hm yeah could be |
| 22:31.07 | Lers | i'm using the e1000 driver |
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| 22:31.20 | cafuego | Lers: Some NETBIOS win85 machines broadcasting a packet storm can take down ANY network. |
| 22:31.20 | eeyore- | Taraxacum: exactly. you write at your own risk. |
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| 22:31.29 | pipeline | Nwallins: I can't really help you, I'm afraid. I've been using gdm for quite some time now, and it's far more configurable/flexible than xdm. That's pretty much the long adn the short of it :P |
| 22:31.29 | zOap | a good editor for linux programs? |
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| 22:31.33 | Nwallins | pipeline: i don't divorce the two. i thought it was the standard |
| 22:31.37 | juan | how slow is software raid? |
| 22:31.38 | travisat | zOap: gvim |
| 22:31.39 | cafuego | !start an editor war |
| 22:31.39 | dpkg | emacs is known to cause ulcers |
| 22:31.46 | zOap | travi. thnx |
| 22:31.51 | pipeline | Nwallins: startx is not standard anything. The normal way to start X is to run "X" |
| 22:31.52 | cafuego | juan: no slower then raw disk access. |
| 22:31.57 | eeyore- | juan: how slow?!? |
| 22:32.04 | cafuego | juan: raid5 will be slower, as it involved calulation. |
| 22:32.05 | mufa | if I want to redirect connection to port 80 on firewall to another machine is this command correct: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d a.b.c.d/32 -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.1" ? |
| 22:32.07 | pipeline | Nwallins: startx is a bloody complicated script which I hate and cannot / will not assist anyone with. |
| 22:32.09 | yo2lux | debian is a good desktop OS ? |
| 22:32.10 | stouset | zOap: eclipse? gvim? vi? emacs? kate? |
| 22:32.10 | eeyore- | juan: i guess it depends on your CPU speed |
| 22:32.19 | pipeline | yo2lux: I think it's pretty good. |
| 22:32.20 | cafuego | yo2lux: Check the channel name. |
| 22:32.27 | zOap | stouset, ok, I'll have a look |
| 22:32.32 | stouset | Nwallins: More than likely it's a symlink problem with /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 22:32.35 | eeyore- | juan: if you've got a 486, stick with hardware raid. if you've got a 2GHz CPU, why bother with hardware raid? (besides management) |
| 22:32.42 | [-Pi-] | what is the difference between keymap sg and sg-latin1? |
| 22:32.43 | stouset | Nwallins: Or just use GDM and tell it to use the GNOME session |
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| 22:33.12 | pipeline | juan, eeyore-: If you've got a 486, throw it away. If you have *quality* hardware raid, why bother with software? |
| 22:33.31 | eeyore- | pipeline: speed |
| 22:33.38 | pipeline | juan: software RAID5 is pretty fast. |
| 22:33.40 | Growly | why have three of my most trusted PCs terminally broken within 1 day? |
| 22:33.47 | pipeline | eeyore-: A good hardware RAID will be quite fast. |
| 22:33.57 | pipeline | juan: Eats a lot of CPU power, but it isn't slow |
| 22:33.57 | eeyore- | pipeline: software raid, linux kernel, will pretty much beats the pants off hardware raid |
| 22:33.58 | cafuego | Growly: ask the power company. |
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| 22:34.01 | Lers | Growly: sacrifice more goats |
| 22:34.04 | pipeline | eeyore-: Uh, bull. |
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| 22:34.12 | Growly | Those goat bastards. |
| 22:34.16 | Nwallins | stouset: nailed it.. fixed the symlink to icewm and i'm back. thanks |
| 22:34.18 | juan | pipeline: software raid5 must be slow !! |
| 22:34.26 | pipeline | eeyore-: Maybe if we're talking about 20$ Promise cards, but 3ware hardware RAID is quite fast. |
| 22:34.27 | juan | pipeline: i have a bi 400mhz |
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| 22:34.36 | cafuego | Growly: A day iof fluctuating power can pretty much blow up all yer hardware. |
| 22:34.43 | eeyore- | pipeline: riiiiiight, i've got one right here (3ware hardware raid) |
| 22:34.44 | pipeline | juan: Uh, that's enough, but it's going to eat at least 25% of the CPU power. |
| 22:34.52 | eeyore- | pipeline: that thing is not exactly a speed daemon |
| 22:35.02 | lidocaine | i have two boxes (one woody one sarge) running raid-5 and each is just a tualatin - they're pretty responsive except when rebuilding. |
| 22:35.02 | pipeline | eeyore-: If you say so. |
| 22:35.11 | eeyore- | pipeline: 3ware, 8 SATA barracuda 120GB drives |
| 22:35.11 | juan | pipeline: if i do raid10 it wont eat almost any cpu? |
| 22:35.16 | cafuego | eeyore-: 3ware was rated as quite crap at raid5 on a fingy I read. |
| 22:35.16 | Flimzy | Which Mozilla variant(s) consume(s) the least memory? |
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| 22:35.32 | Growly | Yeah I'm thinking a surge protector in order.... |
| 22:35.33 | pipeline | juan: no, but you'll lose a lot of disk space. |
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| 22:35.45 | cafuego | Growly: Either that or a decent PSU. |
| 22:35.46 | eeyore- | cafuego: yeah, you get much better speed if you just used the card as a controller and do your own RAID-5 in software ;-) |
| 22:35.47 | lidocaine | i also have a bunch of 3ware cards which seem to very nice, convenience wise. |
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| 22:36.11 | cafuego | eeyore-: Alternatively, there ARE fast hw raid5 cards. |
| 22:36.13 | pipeline | juan: with RAID5, you get (n-1) disks of usable space. With RAID 1+0, you get (n/4) disks. |
| 22:36.18 | juan | eeyore-: and software raid5 only ? how much more slower than native drives |
| 22:36.22 | Ramonskie | okay i think i installd java [1.4.2] i think its working because i did java -version and i get on reply but how do i know for sure it works |
| 22:36.26 | eeyore- | cafuego: keep in mind the box that it runs on is a dual 2GHz athlon MP box |
| 22:36.37 | lidocaine | hell i've run raid-5 on an old k6-2/550 and it worked alright |
| 22:36.43 | stew | eeyore-: i was going to say... my raid 5 here is running on dual 233s |
| 22:36.49 | juan | pipeline: you mean (n/2) |
| 22:36.55 | cafuego | juan: if your data needs raid10, you should also have a decent budget. if not, just use software raid1. |
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| 22:37.16 | chops | pipeline: Ugh, yes, it was just a compile error. Upgrading to the version in unstable solved it; thanks for your help in any case. |
| 22:37.32 | idnar | !ops aYCa\ is onjoin spamming |
| 22:37.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aYCa\ is onjoin spamming |
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| 22:37.38 | eeyore- | juan: CPU? what's the controller you're going (planning) to use software raid5 on? |
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| 22:37.58 | juan | eeyore-: 2x400mhz pII aic79xx |
| 22:38.00 | cafuego | oooh, a live one! |
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| 22:38.06 | stouset | idnar: what, you don't want free porn videos? |
| 22:38.07 | Todd_ | is it possible to install something without physical access |
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| 22:38.15 | Todd_ | err, something being debian |
| 22:38.27 | idnar | stouset: not tonight ;) |
| 22:38.28 | stew | Todd_: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:38.31 | Flimzy | Todd_: In some situations, probably. |
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| 22:38.47 | stouset | idnar: Suit yourself ;) |
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| 22:39.03 | Todd_ | thanks |
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| 22:39.07 | Todd_ | just wondering |
| 22:39.15 | MesaMan | Is there any software out there that can take an mbox and convert it to HTML besides the set of scripts that runs the debian lists archives? |
| 22:39.21 | juan | cafuego: raid1 not good, i need more space than 1 disk |
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| 22:39.48 | eeyore- | juan: the scsi card should keep things pretty much "fluid" as far as the feel of the system goes. however, you still have to spend some cycles computing xor for raid-5. i have no idea how many % that is going to be on the PII. try it and see. i don't expect you to notice any performance hit. bonnie++ is a good test |
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| 22:39.50 | cafuego | juan: Read up on LVM |
| 22:39.57 | cafuego | caphuso: cheers |
| 22:40.03 | phogg | are there any gotchas I should know about with upgrading to udev? apt wants to install lvm-common, which has me worried. |
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| 22:40.17 | Growly | ok so the debian installer freezes when it has to apply filesystems |
| 22:40.22 | pipeline | phogg: udev sucks, that's a gotcha. |
| 22:40.23 | eeyore- | phogg: i've been running udev for some time now on all gentoo boxes i have |
| 22:40.24 | Growly | what do i do?! |
| 22:40.26 | pipeline | phogg: you don't need udev to use lvm. |
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| 22:40.43 | pipeline | phogg: If you have devfs set up now, trust me, udev is not an upgrad. |
| 22:40.48 | Ramonskie | okay i think i installd java [1.4.2] i think its working because i did java -version and i get on reply but how do i know for sure it works?? |
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| 22:41.00 | eeyore- | phogg: udev seems to be OK for me, in all the roles those gentoo boxes play (firewall, desktop, file server, etc.) |
| 22:41.06 | juan | eeyore-: raid5 or raid10 ? |
| 22:41.06 | Xsquared | hi, how can i slay an ssh connection to my box? |
| 22:41.17 | hallgeirg | hi, im trying to find a good netinstaller iso for debian, with a 2.6 kernel. help anyone? |
| 22:41.18 | cafuego | Xsquared: kill the sshd |
| 22:41.18 | eeyore- | juan: 5 |
| 22:41.24 | Growly | alright, im warning you - i'll install windows if someone doesn't help! :'( |
| 22:41.32 | phogg | pipeline: I'm not using devfs and I don't want udev. I'm trying to get a usb flash drive to work and all of the google searches I do seem to assume one has udev, so I figured it was time to stop fighting it |
| 22:41.33 | pipeline | !tell hallgeirg about d-i |
| 22:41.37 | cafuego | Growly: off to Redmond you go, then. |
| 22:41.39 | juan | eeyore-: what if i have big files ? |
| 22:41.40 | stouset | pipeline: why do you say that? they appear to be roughly orthogonal to me at this point, as an end user; supposedly it's a cleaner solution, too. |
| 22:41.47 | Xsquared | cafuego: is there another way?, i am updating atm :-\ |
| 22:41.51 | eeyore- | juan: so? |
| 22:41.52 | Growly | *sigh* |
| 22:41.58 | stouset | Growly: what's the problem? |
| 22:41.59 | pipeline | stouset: "cleaner" meaning "entirely in userspace" |
| 22:42.15 | eeyore- | juan: it'll have to be a *really* big file before linux kernel would have trouble with it |
| 22:42.18 | stouset | pipeline: Well that, but also code-wise. |
| 22:42.21 | juan | eeyore-: isn't soft raid5 very slow with big files ? note that i have 750Mo of ram on the machine |
| 22:42.28 | pipeline | stouset: udev is just worthless. It doesn't do the things devfs does. It's even more inconvenient than a static dev filesystem. I don't know what the purported benefit of udev is. |
| 22:42.30 | sorcre | Hi, I'm trying to setup firefox but i get an error saying I don't have Libstdc++.so.5 . Anyone know where I can get it? I tried google but I just found broken links |
| 22:42.39 | cafuego | Xsquared: uh, why would that matter? kill the one that died, not the one you're on. |
| 22:42.40 | eeyore- | juan: data is data. raid5 wouldn't know where a file begins or ends |
| 22:42.41 | stouset | pipeline: from reading around, devfs looks like an ugly, ugly hack. And putting those things on the filesystem probably should be a userspace thing arguably. |
| 22:42.52 | stouset | pipeline: how is it inconvenient? |
| 22:42.55 | juan | eeyore-: so it's only about computing the xor? |
| 22:42.55 | Growly | stouset: The debian installer freezes when it has to apply the filesystem to the ide disk - I'm using testing 2.6 and ext3 |
| 22:42.56 | eeyore- | juan: how would it be possible for raid5 to know it's working on a file, much less a "large file"? |
| 22:42.56 | pipeline | stouset: It creates device nodes for devices that don't exist, it often fails to create device nodes dynamically, it requires a userspace daemon to work -- it's just worthless. |
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| 22:43.00 | Xsquared | cafuego: oh ok, i'll try |
| 22:43.18 | jjoseph | I thought of seting up raid here and using lvm. Bought two identical disks, but just haven't got around to setting anything up yet. |
| 22:43.20 | juan | eeyore-: i'm more worried about kernel fs buffers |
| 22:43.20 | pipeline | stouset: devfs is indeed a hack in linux, but other operating systems consider this a solved problem. I find it embarassing that the LKML people have their panties in a bind and actually consider udev a replacement. |
| 22:43.24 | cafuego | Xsquared: ps auxww | grep ssh - you'll see sshd's for each oser that's logged in. Just don't kill your own. |
| 22:43.27 | stouset | pipeline: Never seen it fail to create device nodes, so can't really say anything about that. The only devices is creates that don't exist are some ttys, but from what I can tell that's ab ug being worked on. |
| 22:43.39 | eeyore- | juan: how much data do you move around on a daily basis? |
| 22:44.00 | cafuego | Growly: Did it freeze or is just just running really slowly? |
| 22:44.01 | stouset | pipeline: As far as requiring a userspace daemon, I don't really see why that's a downside. Or an upside for that matter, other than the fact that that sort of thing seems a little better placed in userspace |
| 22:44.06 | eeyore- | juan: i back up tens of gigabytes nightly, to/from raid-5 backup array, no problem |
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| 22:44.10 | juan | eeyore-: not too much 500Mo maybe a gig |
| 22:44.21 | Growly | It's frozen. |
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| 22:44.22 | pipeline | stouset: It creates tons of devices that don't exist. udev creates devices for any loaded module. udev fails to create devices for md raid. |
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| 22:44.37 | Growly | stouset: It's been on 12% for hours. |
| 22:44.38 | pipeline | stouset: Explain to me how it makes sense to do device management with a userspace daemon -- then we're back to the static device filesystem shell game. |
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| 22:44.41 | juan | eeyore-: i would backup 200Go montly and have incremental backup for the month |
| 22:44.47 | hallgeirg | pipeline: thanks, but i get: The requested URL /pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso was not found on this server. |
| 22:44.58 | pipeline | stouset: It's a poor design decision, and no one has offered any actual explanation. BUT ITS IN USERSPACE is about all you'll get if you ask on LKML. |
| 22:45.01 | eeyore- | juan: that wouldn't bother the kernel in the least bit :-) |
| 22:45.05 | cafuego | Growly: Can you switch to tty2 (hit alt-F2) or tty3 or tty4 and get a log? |
| 22:45.20 | pipeline | stouset: I wouldn't mind the udev transition if it did any of the nice things devfs does for me. |
| 22:45.26 | Growly | cafuego: nope, no response |
| 22:45.28 | pipeline | stouset: i.e. JUST WORKS |
| 22:45.36 | caphuso | pipeline: you like the unfixable race conditions? |
| 22:45.41 | juan | eeyore-: i have to use scsi hotplug disk, what would be the best format 72G or 140 ? |
| 22:45.48 | cafuego | Growly: Any chance the disk or controller is busted? |
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| 22:46.08 | pipeline | caphuso: I simply don't care. They pitched a non-solution to a non-problem. |
| 22:46.11 | medi | hi |
| 22:46.15 | eeyore- | juan: is this out of your own pocket? |
| 22:46.22 | pipeline | caphuso: If they gave me a real solution to a non-problem, maybe I would feel differently. |
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| 22:46.46 | Growly | cafuego: I did it in expert mode, and I got a "Kernel Panic: Fatal exception in interrupt" - and so i followed what others had done to solve it (turn PNP OS off in BIOS, enable / disable ACPI - it always froze, went black, screwed up the screen or froze.) |
| 22:47.08 | eeyore- | juan: because if it is (out of your own pocket) you're better off using nvidia chipset (nice SATA controller) and SATA drives |
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| 22:47.16 | medi | r there any one can help me in a little problem of shell programation? |
| 22:47.21 | Growly | cafuego: I've tried different disks, I even removed some PCI cards. Next step is trying it on the secondary IDE controller... |
| 22:47.22 | chops | pipeline: I think a lot of it is that many kernel people considered devfs to be very poor for reasons unrelated to its in-kernel-ness; the /dev/ide0/host0/bork/bork/bork game pissed people off, as did unfixable race conditions in its design. |
| 22:47.31 | pipeline | chops: It was politics. |
| 22:47.51 | pipeline | chops: a lot of kernel folks were pissed that the devfs maintainer considered it finished and refused to totally rewrite it from scratch. |
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| 22:48.18 | pipeline | stouset, chops: udev has no redeeming features except for not being devfs. And that's not enough. It has to actually be better than devfs. |
| 22:48.19 | eeyore- | Growly: could it be a bad image you downloaded/burned? |
| 22:48.22 | Skyblaze | is here in freenode some channel about net/sys admin with linux |
| 22:48.24 | Skyblaze | ? |
| 22:48.25 | peterrooney | medi: try #bash, and be warned: aolspeak does not necessarily go over well there. |
| 22:48.38 | eeyore- | Growly: or, maybe you have a hardware that's not supported very well by the kernel you're trying to use? |
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| 22:48.53 | medi | thanx |
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| 22:48.58 | eeyore- | Growly: you can have perfectly good hardware, but be bitten by kernel bugs |
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| 22:49.17 | Flimzy | hrm... what do I hve to install to get XMMS to play OGG files? |
| 22:49.30 | Growly | I thought of that, but I get issues trying to do the same thing with the 2.4 kernel that comes with the testing release AND the 2.4 kernel that comes with the stable release |
| 22:49.52 | Award | What program is it that dumps the result of a keyboard key press, and where do I bind those to functions? (I thought it was xkeymap but I seem to be wrong) |
| 22:49.53 | Empty | Flimzy, IIRC XMMS plays Ogg Vorbis by default |
| 22:49.59 | eeyore- | Growly: what kind of hardware are we talking about (also, double check the MD5sum of the image you downloaded) |
| 22:50.08 | eeyore- | Award: "xev" |
| 22:50.09 | Empty | Flimzy, I think you just need the MP3 module due to licensing |
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| 22:50.22 | Flimzy | Empero: Huh? |
| 22:50.29 | chops | pipeline: My impression is only as an outsider, but the fact that a lot of smart people (e.g. Viro) thought that it _needed_ to be rewritten from scratch is entirely separate from politics IMHO. I agree that its main redeeming feature is not being devfs, and that switching is a real PITA. |
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| 22:50.36 | Flimzy | Empty: Well my default xmms installation plays MP3, but not OGG |
| 22:50.40 | Growly | eeyore: a PII 266MHz, with 320MB of RAM, and some lame intel ide controller that was working fine untill three hours ago (with windows) |
| 22:50.45 | Award | eeyore-: ahhh yes...and what file does the mapping go into? |
| 22:50.46 | juan | eeyore-: how many Mo/s can an scsi push ? the bests one i mean |
| 22:50.53 | Empty | Flimzy, weird, are ou sure the file is valid? |
| 22:51.12 | Growly | everyone: infact, I've installed Linux from the same CD (stable, NOT testing) numerous times on this machine before :( |
| 22:51.17 | Flimzy | Empty: Yeah. My other PC plays it just fine. |
| 22:51.24 | Flimzy | Empty: Using XMMS, oddly. |
| 22:51.32 | Empty | Flimzy, huh, I don't know then |
| 22:51.52 | Flimzy | Empty: I tried to install 'xmms-vorbis' on the new machine, but it said "Note, selecting xmms insdead of xmms-vorbis" |
| 22:52.01 | Taraxacum | is there any good html editor to use? |
| 22:52.01 | pipeline | chops: Heh, the problem is that we NEED something like devfs. Going on forever with a static device filesystem wasn't practical. |
| 22:52.08 | Flimzy | Taraxacum: joe |
| 22:52.18 | Empty | Flimzy, maybe liboggflac1? |
| 22:52.30 | Award | eeyore-: Err, actually there may be another program...for finding out ones that don't report a keycode |
| 22:52.31 | pipeline | chops: My SunOS 4 system has fewer devices in its static /dev than my devfs-enabled Linux system that only has the minimal set to run the system. |
| 22:52.36 | Flimzy | Empty: I'm not trying to play flac. |
| 22:52.49 | pipeline | chops: Just to give you an impression of how confusingly awful a static /dev is these days |
| 22:52.56 | Flimzy | Empty: Altho xmms-flac installed just fine. |
| 22:53.03 | Flimzy | Empty: In case I ever do want to play flac. heh |
| 22:53.08 | pipeline | chops: udev is a hack -- it's a static dev with a daemon that can recreate device nodes if enough handwaving happens when they're inserted or removed. |
| 22:53.30 | pipeline | chops: We can't live without devfs just because it sucks at the moment. It has to be done right, and udev isn't. |
| 22:53.40 | phogg | Okay, so a better question: If syslog says that uba1 was detected and the driver ub was loaded, what device file do I need to make to actually access my flash drive? |
| 22:54.07 | Empty | Flimzy, well I don't know then... maybe diff your package lists on the two boxes and see if anything sticks out? |
| 22:54.20 | Xsquared | phogg: /dev/sda1 isn't it? |
| 22:54.23 | Pappa | omg now this is a deal: 25 litres home-made red wine - 100$ |
| 22:54.28 | stouset | Uh oh. I was hoping d-i rc3 would be on time. March 23 is slowly running out of time :-( |
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| 22:54.32 | Taraxacum | i want a more visual editor for html, something like homsite for windows |
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| 22:54.52 | Growly | march 24 here |
| 22:54.55 | phogg | Xsquared: it's not a valid block device |
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| 22:55.08 | Pappa | Taraxacum: isnt homesite a text editor with html syntax highlighting? |
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| 22:55.19 | eeyore- | juan: you should be able to find such numbers from manufacturer's page .... |
| 22:55.19 | Pappa | Taraxacum: btw, some people praise quanta for web developing |
| 22:55.35 | Xsquared | phogg: is the flash drive connected properly? |
| 22:55.37 | eeyore- | juan: but seriously, for your situation, you're going to run into CPU/PCI bandwidth |
| 22:55.41 | phogg | Xsquared: see, my flash drive was not detected as sda, it was detected as uba. Which is some weird device I don't have |
| 22:55.47 | chops | pipeline: I have no real opinion which one is better in a design sense... moving things to userspace is good, but the big kernel/hotplug/udev/something-else-which-I-forget-right-now ball of interaction is bad. *shrug* Also the last time I tried to switch to udev it didn't work, so I'm still using devfs. :-) |
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| 22:56.03 | phogg | Xsquared: seems that way. I get a nice consistant directory in /sys/block and a nice steady light on the device |
| 22:56.04 | Pappa | are there any cheesy music making programs for debian? |
| 22:56.07 | Xsquared | phogg: thats strange, it should be detected as sda1 |
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| 22:56.29 | Pappa | and i'm talking cheesy, like ejay |
| 22:56.41 | Vyrus001 | yo i apt get install php4, restart apache, and php files still dont register with apache... what step did i miss ? |
| 22:56.49 | stouset | chops: what's wrong with kernel/hotplug/udev/dbus right now? :-) Everything seems to work beautifully. |
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| 22:56.56 | Flimzy | Empty: Hrm... on my working box, there's a "Ogg Vorbis Player" plugin in the XMMS plugin list... and it points to "libvorbis.so"... which appears to exist in libvorbis-dev. That strikes me as odd... but I'll try installing that anyway. |
| 22:57.09 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 22:57.09 | Xsquared | Vyrus001: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 22:57.16 | juan | eeyore-: PCI bandwidth ? |
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| 22:57.52 | Award | err, eek I see my problem. |
| 22:58.02 | chops | pipeline: I don't see that much of an aesthetic difference between a userspace daemon that creates device nodes in a "real" filesystem, and a kernel-based thingy that creates device nodes in a magic filesystem. Whichever one turns out simpler to do gets my vote, and knowing which one that is takes more knowing than I have. |
| 22:58.08 | Award | XFree used to recognize my special keys...now it's viewing them as modifiers.... |
| 22:58.30 | Gh0sty | i have setup a sarge with lvm, now i built a custom kernel, but i can't get it booting, seems i need initrd with lvm support, but how do i build that? i see here a command lvmcreate_initrd, but that doesn't exist here |
| 22:58.38 | phogg | Xsquared: I tried a mknod based on info I found in /sys, but the resultant device seems to be not valiud |
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| 22:58.42 | pipeline | chops: Well, on the user end, devfs is very, very simple. You enable it, and it works. End of story. |
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| 22:59.06 | pipeline | chops: On the implementation side of things, they're both very complicated. Devfs is needlessly complicated by the fact that the code is spaghetti. Not because it has to be, but because it was poorly done in the first place. |
| 23:01.00 | Gh0sty | chops: since you say you're 'still' using devfs, could you help me out? i'm just starting to use devfs :p |
| 23:01.28 | Xsquared | phogg: interesting, to be honest though, i really don't know |
| 23:01.53 | Growly | argh, my stockpile of PCs is dwindling. |
| 23:02.02 | Xsquared | phogg: maybe a reboot? |
| 23:02.08 | Flimzy | Empty: That did it. I wonder if that should be considered a bug against libvorbis-dev or libvorbis... that run-time libs are in libvorbis-dev |
| 23:02.38 | Award | Any ideas on why xmodmap would suddenly stop reading keycodes for special keys? |
| 23:02.39 | chops | Gh0sty: I recommend you use udev instead, actually -- the reason I tried to switch was because devfs did something wrong for me (didn't create a new node for hardware that existed), and now that it's deprecated with extreme prejudice things like that will probably start happening more and more often. |
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| 23:02.45 | chops | Gh0sty: That said, ask away. :-) |
| 23:02.52 | Gh0sty | i have setup a sarge with lvm, now i built a custom kernel, but i can't get it booting, seems i need initrd with lvm support, but how do i build that? i see here a command lvmcreate_initrd, but that doesn't exist here |
| 23:03.09 | zOap | I'm trying to learn more about linux by readin sourcecode of some programs, but nomatter what editor I use, all I can see is scrambled letters.... Isn |
| 23:03.35 | zinx | zOap: try reading the source code instead of the binary, then |
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| 23:04.07 | mops | how can I extract file with extension .001 |
| 23:04.07 | zOap | I'm trying to learn more about linux by looking into sourcecodes of some programs, but nomatter what editor I open programs in all I see is weird letters... Isn't linux opensource? What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:04.08 | Taraxacum | is it possible to use gedit as a html editor? |
| 23:04.08 | stouset | zinx: rofl |
| 23:04.22 | zinx | zOap: or you could stop trolling |
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| 23:04.30 | zOap | zinx, trolling? |
| 23:04.32 | zinx | zOap: that's always made magic things happen for me in the past |
| 23:04.42 | jjoseph | yikes |
| 23:04.56 | zOap | zinx, I don't know what trolling means.... |
| 23:05.02 | chops | Gh0sty: Hmm, have you tried compiling everything you need directly into the kernel instead of as modules? I always prefer that to initrd for custom kernels. |
| 23:05.25 | Gh0sty | not sure what i need, i set devfs and mount at boot option |
| 23:05.30 | Taraxacum | is it possible to use gedit as a html editor? |
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| 23:05.40 | zinx | zOap: even if you don't, you have a access to countless online dictionaries just like everyone else |
| 23:05.42 | Gh0sty | but it still breaks down with not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(254,0) |
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| 23:05.50 | chops | If you don't need any modules to boot, then (unless LVM does something funky I'm not aware of) you don't need an initrd. |
| 23:05.58 | zinx | is it sunday? |
| 23:06.07 | zOap | zinx, ok, it was just a simple question.... |
| 23:06.07 | Gh0sty | how do i get it to boot then? |
| 23:06.20 | Gh0sty | i figured my root= for lilo is wrong or something |
| 23:06.26 | Gh0sty | but i don't really get it :( |
| 23:07.18 | chops | Gh0sty: Just set your filesystem and all the LVM stuff to "yes" instead of "module" in the kernel config, skip the initrd, and see if that works. |
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| 23:08.56 | chops | Er... actually, I'm not sure that your problem is initrd-related. Lemme dig up my devfs config. Sec. |
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| 23:09.47 | Gh0sty | well, i don't know i just installed it out of the box with lvm, now i built my kernel.org kernel for a new device driver |
| 23:10.00 | Gh0sty | and now i screwed an evening trying to get it booting ... |
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| 23:11.02 | chops | Okay, what I have on my (initrd-less) machine is CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y, CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y, same as you. |
| 23:11.04 | stouset | Gh0sty: Sorry if this has been asked, but why build a vanilla kernel? |
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| 23:11.27 | Gh0sty | cause i need latest kernel ... |
| 23:11.33 | stew | Gh0sty: what module did you want to add? you probably only needed to use the kernel-headers and module-assitant |
| 23:11.38 | Gh0sty | trying to fix some sata support problem |
| 23:11.38 | eeyore- | hmm, nifty. ck (con kolivas) patches really bring my machine back to life :-D |
| 23:11.43 | Unfrgiven | hey all. i am looing for some sort of web based pim (personal information manager) that I can host onapache. does anyone know of a decent package? |
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| 23:12.30 | Gh0sty | stew: i just want it to boot my lvm disk, like the stock kernel does, don't know what i need to set or need to make to get it working, its my first time using lvm and i already regret it ... |
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| 23:13.11 | _kaz | where are network startup files stored? |
| 23:13.23 | stew | _kaz: /etc/network |
| 23:13.44 | _kaz | networks? |
| 23:13.49 | _kaz | you mean /etc/networks ? |
| 23:13.49 | chops | stouset: Yeah, I frequently switch to vanilla kernels on my machines... I understand that the Debian Kernel Way makes things much easier for maintainers & Debian developers, but for me it generally takes 2-3 times as long to get things working with kpkg than it does to [patch]/reconfig/recompile/install a vanilla tree. |
| 23:13.49 | Gh0sty | on site A i read i need initrd with lvm support, on site B i read you don't need initrd at all ... |
| 23:13.51 | KirbyMeister | I'm having some SMB troubles - my father bought a new XP box (yes I secured it, installed all the updates and such) and for some reason, I can see his box on the network, but his computer cant see my box. |
| 23:13.51 | Henning | Gh0sty: Is your /boot lvm as well? |
| 23:13.52 | stew | Gh0sty: i don't know jack about lvm, but in general you need to make sure the drivers for your sata and filesystem are compiled in |
| 23:13.57 | Gh0sty | yes |
| 23:14.07 | stew | Gh0sty: if you compile those in, not as modules then you don't need inird |
| 23:14.13 | Henning | Gh0sty: Then you may very well have a problem. |
| 23:14.14 | Gh0sty | its not sata, sata is a data disk i want to add |
| 23:14.26 | Gh0sty | what options would that be then? |
| 23:14.58 | Gh0sty | i tought only the devfs, mount on boot option and the device mapper support? |
| 23:15.07 | Gh0sty | or am i missing something? |
| 23:15.08 | stouset | chops: That sounds odd =\ |
| 23:15.15 | chops | Gh0sty: Yes, I agree with stew -- compile your filesystem/LVM/sata stuff all into the kernel and skip the initrd. See if that helps. |
| 23:15.16 | Henning | Gh0sty: I have a simular setup, but my /boot isn't lvm so I use that to get a initrd image with lvm support booting, then mount my harddrives. |
| 23:15.21 | RupertSw | KirbyMeister, I've just been playing with samba, so I might know something about the problem. Can you be seen with \\192.168.0.whatever ? |
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| 23:15.31 | Henning | chops, stew: Do bootloaders support lvm now? |
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| 23:15.41 | Henning | Last I checked lilo didn't I think. |
| 23:15.54 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: "see", elaborate |
| 23:15.56 | Henning | Thus I had to go for initrd. |
| 23:16.00 | Gh0sty | and how about grub then? |
| 23:16.07 | Henning | I don't use grub, I'm not sure. |
| 23:16.10 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: are we talking "network neighbourhood"? |
| 23:16.10 | chops | stouset: I mean it takes longer to figure out what the hell to do, not to actually compile. That would be silly, yes. I am somewhat inexperienced with kpkg, of course. |
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| 23:16.27 | chops | Gh0sty: Just use a /boot partition that isn't LVM |
| 23:16.40 | Gh0sty | yeah, now you tell me that ... |
| 23:16.51 | Henning | Hehe |
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| 23:16.59 | Gh0sty | i don't know why but in a dark moment i must have made it on the lvm |
| 23:17.12 | Gh0sty | is there any way to fix this stuff? |
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| 23:17.15 | Henning | You can use a boot-floppy or boot-cd to boot an initrd if there is not other options. |
| 23:17.30 | Henning | If not you'll have to look into partition resizing and whatnot. |
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| 23:17.46 | Gh0sty | i want to get this box running by friday night :( |
| 23:17.46 | chops | Gh0sty: Heh, don't worry -- try downloading the parted boot disk; it's a recovery disk with all sorts of partition and disk editing mojo on it. |
| 23:17.46 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: I tried accessing the workgroup on his computer directly, no 'NEW-LINUX' box |
| 23:17.48 | Henning | Or perhaps check if there are bootloader-patches or support to allow lvm without any of this. |
| 23:17.54 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: It's worked before |
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| 23:18.10 | RupertSw | KirbyMeister, But can you see the machine using the IP ? |
| 23:18.17 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-:i'll check |
| 23:18.18 | chops | Gh0sty: Or, if you've not got data on the array yet, just nuke it and start over. Aren't computers fun? Also what Henning said. |
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| 23:19.08 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: are they in the same workgroup? |
| 23:19.09 | KirbyMeister | Yes, I can access the webserver on my other computer just fine |
| 23:19.13 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: Yes |
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| 23:19.18 | KirbyMeister | they're both on A |
| 23:19.24 | uman | Is debian any good for an old box with 32 mb of ram? |
| 23:19.29 | Growly | what's the order of commands for kernel compile? (i.e. make clean, make mrproper, make menuconfig, etc) |
| 23:19.35 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: monitor the samba smbd/nmbd log. make sure they don't fight each other to become the preferred browse master for the workgroup/domain |
| 23:19.36 | KirbyMeister | like i said It's worked with a 95 box |
| 23:19.39 | davidd | is there any debian.org place which known md5 sums of the standard base install? (e.g. /bin/df ) |
| 23:19.52 | davidd | are kept, even |
| 23:19.52 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: Where's the log normally stored, on debian? |
| 23:19.58 | Henning | Growly: Are you doing a 2.6 or an older kernel? |
| 23:19.59 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: /var/log/samba |
| 23:20.02 | chops | Gh0sty: Actually, that error message you said you got indicated that it's getting to the kernel okay, just that the kernel's getting confused. I think the bootloader is fine. |
| 23:20.06 | RupertSw | KirbyMeister, In windows if you say \\<IP_address> it tries to access across SMB. You can use this to check whether the shares are ok, rather than the broadcasting. |
| 23:20.06 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: okay |
| 23:20.10 | dondelelcaro | davidd: you can figure that out by downloading the appropriate .deb, checking its md5sum, then checking the md5sum of the contents |
| 23:21.45 | uman | All: Is debian any good for an old box with 32 mb of ram? |
| 23:21.45 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: what version of samba? |
| 23:21.45 | dondelelcaro | davidd: AFAIK, no one has calculated the md5sums for every single file... |
| 23:21.45 | Growly | Henning: 2.6 :) |
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| 23:21.46 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: the newest one from sarge |
| 23:21.46 | dondelelcaro | davidd: furthermore, if you suspect a file, it's always easier just to reinstall the stupid thing |
| 23:21.46 | davidd | dondelelcaro: I only have one slow openbsd machine at home. I would just start up a uml or install a fresh box if I could |
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| 23:21.46 | Henning | Growly: make menuconfig ; make ; make modules_install and perhaps make install should be plenty for most people, personally I prefer the make install part manually. |
| 23:21.46 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: i use gentoo now. help me. |
| 23:21.46 | dondelelcaro | davidd: eh? no need to do that. Just get the deb and dpkg-deb -x it |
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| 23:21.46 | kaner | eeyore-: install debian |
| 23:21.46 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: i dont know exactly |
| 23:21.47 | Henning | Growly: If you run debian though, you should google for the debian way to make a kernel to creat a .deb |
| 23:22.01 | goron | Why is terminal output that slow (on all OS's)? Is it that expensive to convert ascii to something a graphical device understands? |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | goron: your terminal is crappy then |
| 23:22.19 | davidd | dondelelcaro: I'm wondering about a binary on a machine. I was just hoping for a known md5 and i'd do one. Of course if it's compromised by somebody smart i'm fscked by relying on that anyway... |
| 23:22.22 | valdyn_ | goron: it isnt slow |
| 23:22.28 | stew | dondelelcaro: md5 sum of /bin/df would be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/coreutils.md5sums |
| 23:22.30 | Plugster | sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) |
| 23:22.31 | stew | err |
| 23:22.34 | stew | davidd: ^^ |
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| 23:22.37 | Plugster | does anyone know how to fix: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) |
| 23:22.46 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: I have: "Samba name server NEW-LINUX is now a local master browser for workgroup A on subnet 192.168.0.2" |
| 23:22.51 | stew | davidd: that might rely on debsums being installed though |
| 23:23.05 | goron | valdyn_: So the "real" linux terminal should be *fast*? Ok, let me check that. |
| 23:23.07 | davidd | cheers, ill look into that |
| 23:23.14 | KirbyMeister | nmbd 3.0.10-debian |
| 23:23.16 | manchot | I want to use APT locally, and I already got the deb packages. |
| 23:23.16 | dondelelcaro | stew: ah, right. I forgot that that was there, since nothing really uses it, iirc. |
| 23:23.21 | Growly | Henning: I've had problems with depmod errors in the past, I found that I had to make mrproper somewhere along the way - I just don't remember how. I'm not a fan of .deb packages, or any packages, 'cause I found sources easier to use |
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| 23:23.40 | manchot | but when I run dpkg-scanpackages debs file | gzip > debs/Packages.gz, it says no override file. |
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| 23:23.43 | manchot | where do I get this 'override" file? |
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| 23:23.49 | dondelelcaro | manchot: touch override_file; |
| 23:23.54 | dondelelcaro | manchot: now you have an override file. |
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| 23:24.16 | c00l | to install debian sarge the mount point is / right? |
| 23:24.19 | Henning | Growly: I'd think first, but not to sure. Never had any problems myself. |
| 23:24.23 | dondelelcaro | (for the simplest case where you don't actually need to override anything) |
| 23:24.25 | manchot | dondelelcaro: do I have to modify anything in that file? |
| 23:24.29 | dondelelcaro | manchot: no. |
| 23:24.31 | KirbyMeister | okay, I tried to access the box by typing in \\192.168.0.2; and I get MSN search |
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| 23:24.46 | eeyore- | KirbyMeister: and your windows xp box is also in workgroup "A"? |
| 23:24.52 | helix | hm, what's a good language if you need to write something that deals with relational databases? I want to use perl but is there something better for it? |
| 23:24.55 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: yes |
| 23:25.03 | KirbyMeister | eeyore-: I can even see both of them from my debian box |
| 23:25.05 | dondelelcaro | helix: perl is just fine... |
| 23:25.18 | linuxfreck | helix: perl isn't good for anything but pattern matchin |
| 23:25.26 | Growly | Henning: Yeah it probably was first, thanks very much! |
| 23:25.39 | linuxfreck | and it depends on what you want to do really |
| 23:25.39 | travisat | linuxfreck: bullshit |
| 23:25.44 | dondelelcaro | helix: DBI and friends are pretty much as good as you're going to get... if you need more speed, you can always use C via XS or whatever |
| 23:25.45 | manchot | dondelelcaro: ** Packages in archive but missing from override file: ** |
| 23:25.47 | helix | dondelelcaro: are there any modules in particular I should be aware of or is it fine as-is? |
| 23:25.51 | helix | ok |
| 23:25.56 | Growly | Do i have to declare a driver as modular when I kernel compile if I wish to load it later on? |
| 23:25.58 | helix | I'm not concerned about speed, it should be relatively small overall |
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| 23:26.14 | Growly | Can I add modules without having declard them with the <M> thing? |
| 23:26.15 | dondelelcaro | helix: dunno, some people like DBIx::Abstract, I have my own DB modules... just really depends |
| 23:26.22 | linuxfreck | helix: which languages do you know already? |
| 23:26.29 | goron | helix, you could use Haskell. They have a binding that enables you to write set expressions instead of using SQL. |
| 23:26.31 | linuxfreck | travisat: any reason behind it? |
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| 23:27.11 | dondelelcaro | manchot: oh, they must have changed that again... ISTR it working with a blank file. Anyway, see man dpkg-scanpackages; and the OVERRIDE FILE section |
| 23:27.17 | helix | linuxfreck: I don't know any others, really, which is why I was hoping perl would be good :) |
| 23:27.18 | deadcat | i am trying to setup hosts.allow and deny: ssh for all, nfs,samba for local subnet. but i dont know the daemon name to put in the files. |
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| 23:27.53 | helix | goron: hmm. SQL makes me uncomfortable, so that may be good. I have no idea how loveable haskell is though |
| 23:28.08 | alcorrr | how do i repeat my last search in VIM ? |
| 23:28.14 | dondelelcaro | linuxfreck: while this is bordering on a troll, perl is fine for dealing with many problems. When it's not the optimal case, you can just use an Inline::FooLang; module |
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| 23:28.25 | eeyore- | kirbym: nmblookup -U <master-browser-ip> -R "A#1B" |
| 23:28.28 | deadcat | alcorrr: n |
| 23:28.32 | deadcat | or N |
| 23:28.36 | alcorrr | thanks deadcat |
| 23:28.38 | eeyore- | grrrrr |
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| 23:28.50 | linuxfreck | helix: well haskell is more a language that is useful for scientific computing |
| 23:29.02 | goron | helix, If you are the Master Of Known Universe in Perl, stick with Perl, otherwise try Haskell (it has some very good points (although there are more language that have that property)). |
| 23:29.03 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah... you're going to end up learning SQL eventually... but for starters, you can do things like $dbh->select('footable',[qw(foo bar baz column)], {bar=>3}) or similar... |
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| 23:29.30 | Growly | I'm too sick for this. |
| 23:29.32 | dabreegster | Is there a program that does the same thing as esound (esd) but is a bit cleaner? I'm using esd to play an mp3, pause it, play another, then resume the first. Technically two programs are using /dev/dsp, the silence and an mp3 are just being mixed. |
| 23:29.33 | goron | linuxfreck: Scientific computing uses Fortran for speed. |
| 23:29.42 | eeyore- | no matter what language i write in, the code inevitably ends up looking like C, in as much as possible |
| 23:29.43 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
| 23:29.50 | dabreegster | ESD seems to have a bit of background hiss though. |
| 23:29.57 | linuxfreck | goron: nice joke. |
| 23:29.59 | helix | fortran might be a good option, the person I'll be sharing the code with is a physicist |
| 23:30.01 | dondelelcaro | goron: actually, it really depends what type of scientific computing |
| 23:30.03 | helix | maybe I can get her to write it :) |
| 23:30.06 | davidd | /clear |
| 23:30.19 | helix | dondelelcaro: I want to write an app to keep track of the mentoring stuff, I can't think of any way to do that without a proper database |
| 23:30.20 | dondelelcaro | gadek: a lot of people use lisp, R, and other wierd languages. |
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| 23:30.35 | eeyore- | helix: LAMP? |
| 23:30.36 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah... yeah, you're going to end up learning some SQL... |
| 23:30.40 | Flimzy | What's the best way to run an X app as root? |
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| 23:30.47 | helix | eeyore-: webapps are not really an option |
| 23:30.49 | deadcat | Flimzy: sudo |
| 23:30.51 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: the best way is not to run it at all |
| 23:30.54 | helix | mostly because they're yucky |
| 23:30.57 | eeyore- | helix: oh? |
| 23:30.59 | beky-15 | olaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:31.06 | deadcat | si |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're alive! |
| 23:31.18 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Well that's the only way to run it. |
| 23:31.22 | eeyore- | abrotman: is that a good thing? :-) |
| 23:31.23 | asuffield | eeyore-: Lusers And Managers Pratting about |
| 23:31.35 | beky-15 | alguuen abla espaņol????????????'' |
| 23:31.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: sql isn't required for that ... |
| 23:31.39 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:31.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:31.48 | Flimzy | deadcat: Blah. There's gotta be some way to do it that doesn't require configuring sudo. |
| 23:31.56 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: then su or sudo to root, and make sure DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY are set appropriately. |
| 23:31.56 | eeyore- | helix: gdbm or berkley db ... (sleepycat.com) |
| 23:32.05 | dabreegster | Basically, are there other sound daemons besides esd? |
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| 23:32.17 | abrotman | arts ? |
| 23:32.18 | eeyore- | sql might be overkill, but ... it sure is easy to manipulate in ad-hoc manner |
| 23:32.24 | templar | dabreegster: artsd |
| 23:32.30 | joloc | need help to get my mouse working (sarge, kernel 2.6)... |
| 23:32.32 | jjoseph | Flimzy, You could su -p to get root and keep your environment the same. |
| 23:32.33 | dabreegster | brb |
| 23:32.34 | helix | eeyore-: yeah, I'm going to need to manipulate it |
| 23:32.36 | dabreegster | templar: alright |
| 23:32.38 | chops | pipeline: You weren't fooling that lirc is hard to get going. |
| 23:32.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's not required... but knowing it will definetly make life easier |
| 23:32.48 | eeyore- | helix: then you don't have a choice |
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| 23:32.55 | helix | I know :( |
| 23:32.59 | eeyore- | helix: one word of advice ... |
| 23:33.07 | eeyore- | helix: php + mysql, for prototyping |
| 23:33.10 | helix | ugh |
| 23:33.12 | helix | I hate php |
| 23:33.13 | eeyore- | helix: make that four words |
| 23:33.13 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 23:33.22 | joloc | mdetect -x reports /dev/psaux and ImPS/2 |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | helix: wanna trade? |
| 23:33.30 | eeyore- | once you get the logic right, i don't care what you do :) |
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| 23:33.42 | asuffield | all php sucks. if you write php code I will hunt you down and kill you |
| 23:33.44 | helix | abrotman: no, I just want to coat the planet in perl |
| 23:33.46 | eeyore- | but doing a sql project from the group up in C? geez |
| 23:33.51 | goron | dondelelcaro: True, but really for programs like protein folding, I don't think Haskell is the right candidate. Imagine the impact on people doing distributed computing:"Well basically 99% of the times we are popping and pushing closures on the stack". |
| 23:33.52 | abrotman | asuffield: i write php |
| 23:34.00 | asuffield | abrotman: you write bad code |
| 23:34.08 | Flimzy | jjoseph: Thanks... that worked nicely |
| 23:34.15 | abrotman | but since im replacing a JSP site in tomcat3 and mysql3 .. i don't feel so bad :) |
| 23:34.16 | eeyore- | asuffield: hey! |
| 23:34.18 | helix | cue standard "good php is possible, I write it" |
| 23:34.20 | eeyore- | asuffield: i write php |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | asuffield: you've never seen it |
| 23:34.22 | dondelelcaro | goron: may be. I don't write stuff in haskell. |
| 23:34.23 | asuffield | helix: umm, please don't, I like some bits of the planet |
| 23:34.29 | asuffield | abrotman: I don't need to |
| 23:34.33 | asuffield | eeyore-: you also write bad code |
| 23:34.37 | linuxfreck | php is what basic used to be |
| 23:34.38 | helix | asuffield: you make it sound like perl is toxic |
| 23:34.38 | eeyore- | asuffield: hey! |
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| 23:34.48 | abrotman | asuffield: does it help if i spent 5 years coding C/C++ before i started learning PHP ? |
| 23:34.49 | asuffield | helix: water is toxic in sufficient quantities |
| 23:34.53 | helix | point :) |
| 23:34.54 | tarzeau | linuxfreck: wrong |
| 23:34.55 | goron | PHP is awfull for doing *real* projects (like building a compiler). |
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| 23:35.01 | asuffield | abrotman: not particularly, no |
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| 23:35.10 | dondelelcaro | helix: see what you've started? ;-) |
| 23:35.13 | tarzeau | goron: that's hilarious |
| 23:35.17 | helix | dondelelcaro: I know, right? |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | asuffield: so you're implying that c/C++ is bad code also? |
| 23:35.26 | helix | all I wanted was confirmation that perl would be fine in this case |
| 23:35.27 | linuxfreck | tarzeau: why? easy to understand, a lot of beginners use it, leads to bad coding style |
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| 23:35.34 | dondelelcaro | helix: yes, perl is lovely. |
| 23:35.34 | asuffield | abrotman: no. I'm saying that anybody who writes code in php instantly becomes a raving lunatic |
| 23:35.34 | eeyore- | goron: if you build a compiler in php, the first letter of your nick should be changed to an "m". would you like to buy an "m"? |
| 23:35.38 | helix | yay perl |
| 23:35.43 | abrotman | asuffield: like perl people .... |
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| 23:35.54 | helix | my perl is pretty |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | asuffield: and that doesn't imply they write bad code |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | see |
| 23:35.59 | goron | eeyore-: He I don't do that. I am not crazy, yet. |
| 23:36.01 | tarzeau | eeyore-: m? |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | helix does the same thing |
| 23:36.10 | eeyore- | tarzeau: goron -> moron |
| 23:36.13 | eeyore- | tarzeau: get it? |
| 23:36.22 | tarzeau | eeyore-: and i thought motherhugger |
| 23:36.23 | asuffield | helix, you loser, your notion of 'pretty' is vomit green and lilac |
| 23:36.24 | dondelelcaro | I have yet to find an instance of pretty PHP code, unfortunatly... however, I know of many instances of reaosnable perl code |
| 23:36.35 | grant3 | I'm using a USB KVM switch, so it looks like I'm unplugging and plugging in the mouse and keyboard...I alway get messages saying "usb 1-1.2 new low speed USB debice using address 57; input: USB HID...on USB 0000:00:10.0-1.2". Is there any way to get rid of these messages? |
| 23:36.41 | eeyore- | tarzeau: gee! i'm not THAT profane! :-p |
| 23:36.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you don't like C code either? |
| 23:36.43 | asuffield | abrotman: you should listen to some bug reports from php users for a while |
| 23:36.47 | joloc | my mouse is dead under kernel 2.6, any tips? |
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| 23:36.53 | abrotman | asuffield: bug reports or #php people? |
| 23:36.53 | helix | asuffield: well, the difference here is that _everyone_ thinks my desktop is ugly. no one has negative things to say about my perl. |
| 23:36.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't usually have time to waste writing it |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: which? |
| 23:37.07 | asuffield | helix: I'm sure I could find some |
| 23:37.07 | helix | except that it's not obfuscated enough |
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| 23:37.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: writing C |
| 23:37.11 | helix | yeah, probably |
| 23:37.14 | pipeline | abrotman, dondelelcaro: As far as I'm concerned, perl, php, and C can all drop off the face of the earth and I won't mind. |
| 23:37.21 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: you haven't seen my php code then |
| 23:37.27 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: show me. |
| 23:37.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if the CPU cycles for part of the algorithm are that important, then I'll write it in C using XS or something... |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but C and PHP have basically the same basic syntax .. saying PHP is ugly implies the same about C |
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| 23:37.52 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: how much depth? |
| 23:37.58 | linuxfreck | lol |
| 23:38.05 | helix | asuffield: I would show you but instead of helping you'll just laugh so :P |
| 23:38.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, it doesn't... C hasn't gotten on the "we need 8 billion functions" crack train |
| 23:38.16 | eeyore- | dondek: it looks like C, though, like i said earlier |
| 23:38.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: C++ has |
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| 23:38.25 | asuffield | helix: I don't recall you ever writing anything worthwhile anyway :P |
| 23:38.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: who said c++ was not ugly? |
| 23:38.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: we're talking C here, not C++... |
| 23:38.32 | Pappa | ooh templates *shivers* |
| 23:38.35 | helix | yeah, I've only written like three things |
| 23:38.37 | linuxfreck | abrotman: C has a whole different concept than php |
| 23:38.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: and it's only because PHP has all the libraries included .. C does not |
| 23:38.52 | helix | none of them are very complicated |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | linuxfreck: concept .. not syntax |
| 23:39.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you can't get rid of those libraries. The core functionality is pretty freaky too... |
| 23:39.12 | goron | I think PHP attract a particular class of programmers. I will not go in to the details ;) |
| 23:39.18 | tarzeau | funny http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=php4 |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: which libraries? .. like mysql support? |
| 23:39.25 | Guerin | goron: the special needs class? |
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| 23:39.36 | tarzeau | goron: programmers? maybe web people |
| 23:39.37 | linuxfreck | abrotman: well the concept makes php ugly |
| 23:39.40 | eeyore- | hey! quit bashing php. it let me do my job |
| 23:39.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, like the stupid array mungification routines, the 1.2 billion different ways of running a regex |
| 23:39.43 | eeyore- | :-p |
| 23:39.47 | astronut | shell question |
| 23:39.51 | peterrooney | Oooh - a language war! I'll throw in a random bombshell. What language is implemented in the fewest lines in itself? |
| 23:39.53 | astronut | if i have blah:foo: |
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| 23:39.58 | astronut | how do i remove the 2nd : |
| 23:40.02 | astronut | i can do the first or both |
| 23:40.09 | Adil | hey guys, i need some help |
| 23:40.10 | dambodog | what does this error mean : release signature does not verify? |
| 23:40.12 | Guerin | astronut: man tr |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: they have like 4 sets of regex crap ... the array stuff is odd |
| 23:40.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:40.17 | Adil | im tryin to install debian to a memory stick |
| 23:40.19 | astronut | Guerin: what's it in sed? |
| 23:40.19 | Guerin | astronut: man cut |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but lots of the web crap is array shit |
| 23:40.27 | eeyore- | dambodog: problem during download? delete the download and try again |
| 23:40.28 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: see http://search.cpan.org/src/BSHADE/Array-PAT-1.0.0/PAT.pm for an interesting stuff |
| 23:40.29 | tarzeau | Adil: that's not a question |
| 23:40.31 | peterrooney | astronut: i see awk in your future |
| 23:40.35 | Guerin | astronut: don't know it in sed, but /msg dpkg sed cheats; will help |
| 23:40.36 | astronut | Guerin: varbiable lenght |
| 23:40.41 | Adil | sry, i was gonna continue |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i find perl to be far far worse than C/C++/PHP syntax |
| 23:40.43 | itp560 | anyonw who has install debian on Dell PE2850 ?? |
| 23:40.48 | abrotman | !dell |
| 23:40.48 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 23:40.55 | Guerin | astronut: yeah, tr was a dud, cut has a -d for delimiter |
| 23:40.56 | tarzeau | itp560: probably |
| 23:40.56 | goron | !start a language war |
| 23:40.57 | dpkg | C++ is faster than LITHP |
| 23:41.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it can be... but properly written perl can be rather easy to read. |
| 23:41.13 | grant3 | I'm using a USB KVM switch, so it looks like I'm unplugging and plugging in the mouse and keyboard...I alway get messages saying "usb 1-1.2 new low speed USB debice using address 57; input: USB HID...on USB 0000:00:10.0-1.2". Is there any way to get rid of these messages? |
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| 23:41.32 | dambodog | eeyore-, i get the error msg - can't check signature - public key not found |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but it's all personal preference .. i learned C/C++ before i learned anything except basic and pascal .. so PHP was a natural fit for me |
| 23:41.37 | peterrooney | dpkg: which bastard put an S in LISP? |
| 23:41.39 | Guerin | grant3: you get this message where? |
| 23:41.48 | tarzeau | Guerin: console probably |
| 23:41.53 | itp560 | tarzeau, any usefull URL: that I should try .. |
| 23:41.53 | grant3 | guerin: on the console... |
| 23:41.54 | goron | Using array's to pass variables is not my idea of a "great language". |
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| 23:41.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: had i learned Java before C .. i'm sure i'd feel very different about PHP |
| 23:42.02 | Guerin | grant3: man klogd |
| 23:42.05 | Adil | im tryin to install debian to a memory stick but the memory stick is actually like 127 megs and the .img is 128 megs.. anything i can do? |
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| 23:42.23 | Guerin | Adil: what format is the stick? |
| 23:42.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but then, I've written large swaths of code in PHP and Perl... [and I learned PHP before I learned perl, after I learned C and pascal... so go figure.] |
| 23:42.31 | Rawplayer | Adil: gzip |
| 23:42.34 | Adil | FAT |
| 23:42.46 | tarzeau | itp560: www.goatse.org/mirror/ |
| 23:42.55 | astronut | ah |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i also never had much of a need for Perl .. PHP for web .. bash/ksh/csh for shell stuff |
| 23:42.57 | astronut | s/foo/bar/2 |
| 23:42.58 | dambodog | does anyone have any experince with FAI? (i am alreay on #fai) |
| 23:42.59 | Guerin | Adil: you want a bootable iso image? |
| 23:43.04 | Adil | yea but im supposed to put the whole image on the stick, not the .gz file |
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| 23:43.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i suppose i could learn perl and do it all in one :) |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | well re-learn perl |
| 23:43.24 | Adil | Guerin> wat do u mean by a bootable iso image? |
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| 23:43.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:43.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:43.40 | Adil | Guerin> to burn on cd? |
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| 23:43.41 | grant3 | guerin: i'm kinda new...I read that but it doesn't really help me figure out what to do |
| 23:43.45 | itp560 | tarzeau, that's a goodone .. |
| 23:44.04 | jetscreamer | u r teh ohnlee wan 4 meh |
| 23:44.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but just to flatly say PHP is ugly .. just wrong .. :) |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | !aolify jetscreamer |
| 23:44.31 | Linx | having an issue with pptpd and ppp, I have specified the option file for ppp to use in the pptpd.conf file but ppp isn't using it and using the wrong options. clients can't connect because of this problem. |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:44.41 | Adil | Guerin>the thing is, im on dialup right now so i cant be downloading a cd image, thats why i went for the memory stick |
| 23:44.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I suppoose you could write good PHP, I've just never seen it. |
| 23:44.48 | Linx | I have the same problem on a 2 machines currently running sarge |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: define good code .. there's your problem :) |
| 23:45.18 | tarzeau | good code, is like good prose |
| 23:45.18 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice a goat |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: good meter? |
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| 23:45.34 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | wrong one |
| 23:45.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: and that's still subjective |
| 23:45.43 | dambodog | is there away to deploy debian onto a number of machines/cluster *not* using fai ? |
| 23:45.47 | Guerin | grant3: klogd is logging to your console, yoiu need to make it less verbose. Study the command line switches to find out how to do this. |
| 23:45.54 | abrotman | dambodog: sure .. manually :) |
| 23:45.57 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 23:45.58 | grant3 | guerin: ok |
| 23:46.00 | dambodog | abrotman, :p |
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| 23:46.03 | abrotman | !tell kbrooks about ask |
| 23:46.04 | Guerin | Adil: oh, you don't need bootable, just an iso you can move around? |
| 23:46.07 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 23:46.08 | dambodog | abrotman, other then that? |
| 23:46.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: clean, clear meaning, self documenting... it's definetly subjective, and it may have to do with the average quality of coders who actually write PHP, but that's been my experience |
| 23:46.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 23:46.31 | deadcat | does this look ok in /etc/hosts.allow: portmap: 10.10.10. 10.10.32. 192.168.0. 192.168.1. |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dunno .. i think my code is that way .. but i wrote it :) |
| 23:46.45 | sparr_ | I just installed Apache. Im only interested in the most basic of web servers. Can anyone recommend a tutorial that starts with the obvious starting steps (like removing the redirect from / to /apache2-default, that took me like 10 minutes of documentation-digging to figure out)? |
| 23:47.01 | Adil | Guerin> im new to the linux thing, and i just wanna run one program the requires linux, so i figured debian was the easiest and fastest |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | well .. except self-documenting . because well .. every developer should write comments |
| 23:47.10 | Eq|laptop | any CDBS experts about? |
| 23:47.10 | tarzeau | sparr_: use apache (without 2.x) |
| 23:47.14 | itp560 | does linux support 4G swap space .. Since I have 2G ram ?? |
| 23:47.18 | Eq|laptop | tarzeau: no real reason to... |
| 23:47.29 | tarzeau | Eq|laptop: ? |
| 23:47.30 | abrotman | itp560: 2GB per instance .. but yes |
| 23:47.33 | eeyore- | itp560: there's no need to have 4GB swap |
| 23:47.34 | sparr_ | tarzeau: well, ive got apache2 working, so id like to stick with it unless theres a serious reason not to |
| 23:47.34 | Eq|laptop | sparr_: the .conf should contain explanation about pretty much everything... |
| 23:47.40 | kbrooks | Adil, what do you need help woth |
| 23:47.46 | Pappa | sparr_: "most basic"? you'll like thttpd |
| 23:47.46 | tarzeau | sparr_: you tell me the reason to use 2.x |
| 23:47.52 | dambodog | abrotman, fai is causing me trouble when i try to run its script of creating a local mirror. I get an error that says that gpg can not find the public key for the relase.gpg |
| 23:47.53 | Adil | m tryin to install debian to a memory stick(FAT) but the memory stick is actually like 127 megs and the .img is 128 megs.. anything i can do? the thing is, im on dialup right now so i cant be downloading a cd image, thats why i went for the memory stick |
| 23:48.00 | tarzeau | sparr_: i don't think you have any |
| 23:48.08 | itp560 | eeyore-, Y not ?? |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | dambodog: google says? |
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| 23:48.15 | abrotman | Adil: which program? |
| 23:48.16 | kbrooks | tarzeau, dont argue plz |
| 23:48.27 | dambodog | abrotman, doesn't say much |
| 23:48.29 | sparr_ | tarzeau: no reason, just seemed like a good idea. is 1.x really better? |
| 23:48.29 | Adil | transformerx i think its called |
| 23:48.33 | jetscreamer | ayhhhhhhhh documentation for /proc: "This work is based on the 2.2.* kernel version and the upcoming 2.4.*." |
| 23:48.34 | tarzeau | sparr_: yes |
| 23:48.36 | Adil | turntable mixing |
| 23:48.36 | Eq|laptop | sparr_: no, it ain't. |
| 23:48.38 | Guerin | Adil: ok. Your space issue might be caused by filesystem overhead. If you can format the stick to a different filesystem, try that; otherwise find a smaller image or get a larger stick |
| 23:48.41 | grant3 | guerin: how to I find the current log level of klogd? |
| 23:48.43 | abrotman | sparr_: currently .. it probably is better |
| 23:48.44 | kbrooks | sparr_, ignore tarzeau |
| 23:48.45 | pipeline | Adil: I think you're probably bad-off on that one. You can download the "businesscard ISO" or the "hd media" install images, which are smaller, then install over the net. But htat would suck. |
| 23:48.51 | joloc | anybody want to help with mouse not working? spent days, and giving up... :-( |
| 23:48.51 | Eq|laptop | there are advantages for both versions at the moment |
| 23:49.00 | Guerin | Adil: I think d-i images are around 110MB; I know you can get a businesscard image about 40MB |
| 23:49.02 | kbrooks | sparr_, he is wrong and without a valid reason |
| 23:49.02 | sparr_ | tarzeau: ok, my one good reason: i already got it working :) |
| 23:49.06 | jetscreamer | Adil, if you do, do not get rc2, get a daily |
| 23:49.07 | Eq|laptop | 2.x doesn't let you compile static modules (though if you're using debian that's less of a concern) |
| 23:49.14 | tarzeau | sparr_: haha that's so moronic |
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| 23:49.25 | Adil | ok, and the business card image will run on the usb stick? |
| 23:49.25 | Eq|laptop | if you're using php, then you should probably use the prefork version of apache2 |
| 23:49.26 | itp560 | i thought the swap = 2* RAM .. ?? |
| 23:49.27 | kbrooks | tarzeau, wrong wrong wrong |
| 23:49.31 | Guerin | !klogd |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: 2.x isn't *that* bad :) |
| 23:49.32 | dpkg | somebody said klogd was the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload |
| 23:49.34 | tarzeau | Eq|laptop, kbrooks: i don't know who you are ... but i don't see any reason for sparr_ to run apache 2.x |
| 23:49.34 | Pappa | if you don't need the features of apache, dont use it |
| 23:49.41 | Guerin | grant3: ^ |
| 23:49.42 | kbrooks | tarzeau, WHY |
| 23:49.42 | Linx | having an issue with pptpd and pppd, I have specified the option file for ppp to use in the pptpd.conf, ppp doesn't use it and just uses /etc/ppp/options instead of specified /etc/ppp/pptpd-options. Clients are unable to connect because of this problem. Works fine on woody but same setup doesn't work on 2 sarge machine I have set up. |
| 23:49.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't say it's bad. i said for what sparr wants, apache 1.3.x is perfectly enough |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | Eq|laptop: not should .. have to |
| 23:49.52 | jetscreamer | itp560, old school it was |
| 23:49.57 | Eq|laptop | tarzeau: there's no reason for him to downgrade to 1.3 either |
| 23:49.59 | dambodog | does anyone know of a list of keyservers other then hkp://subkeys.pgp.net? |
| 23:49.59 | tarzeau | kbrooks: that is fucking not a reason |
| 23:50.05 | grant3 | thanks guerin |
| 23:50.06 | Eq|laptop | abrotman: not entirely true. using debian deps, yes. |
| 23:50.13 | tarzeau | Eq|laptop: ok, you help him. i'm out |
| 23:50.14 | Eq|laptop | officially, no - but you risk things breaking. |
| 23:50.18 | abrotman | Eq|laptop: there are issues with the others |
| 23:50.19 | sparr_ | ryan_: ok, to be very specific, id like to find a tutorial that would have told me that i needed to comment out the redirect in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 23:50.21 | kbrooks | tarzeau, damning fucking i was fricking asking why |
| 23:50.30 | Eq|laptop | abrotman: i know ;) but it's not apache or php that are at fault. |
| 23:50.35 | Guerin | there is ONE very good reason to run apache even if you don't need any of its features - and that's to familiarise yourself with the best and most widelky used http server there is |
| 23:50.36 | abrotman | Eq|laptop: so basically you'd be a fucktard to not use prefork |
| 23:50.36 | itp560 | jetscreamer, what is the new School teaching ?? |
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| 23:50.57 | Eq|laptop | abrotman: hehe. perhaps. conversely, i'd say that you should just dump any extensions that aren't threadsafe ;) |
| 23:51.04 | Eq|laptop | but that's not why i'm here :P |
| 23:51.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: s/best// |
| 23:51.04 | Adil | ok so im opn dialup and i just want to run 1 program from debian, i'm currently on windows. i need a small, quick solution.. i have a 127mb usb stick and a cd burner |
| 23:51.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: there's a better one? |
| 23:51.14 | abrotman | Eq|laptop: right .. of course .. good constraint ... |
| 23:51.17 | kbrooks | Eq|laptop, why are you here |
| 23:51.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: it certainly isn't *the* best |
| 23:51.26 | kbrooks | Adil, get qemu |
| 23:51.28 | Guerin | Adil: lnx-bbc |
| 23:51.33 | Adil | links? |
| 23:51.35 | michal_d | anyone here know what sort of a cpu is needed for 100mbit NAT ? |
| 23:51.36 | kbrooks | Guerin, wtf? |
| 23:51.39 | jetscreamer | itp560, put a little more than you will need :) depends on what you wanna do, modeling or other cpu/memory intensive programs, you want more |
| 23:51.42 | abrotman | is there a term that uses .. don't laugh .. SVG rendering for characters etc .. so that if i maximize the term .. the characters get bigger? |
| 23:51.43 | Eq|laptop | www.google.com :P |
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| 23:51.53 | Guerin | abrotman: haha |
| 23:51.57 | xam | michal_d: 486? |
| 23:51.57 | Eq|laptop | wb Zeit|idle. |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | !stab Guerin |
| 23:52.07 | sparr_ | tarzeau: to be blunt, if i found a good tutorial for 1.x id probably switch. just right now inertia has me aimed at 2.x :) |
| 23:52.08 | eeyore- | itp560: the "swap = 2x memory" is only good up to a certain point |
| 23:52.12 | michal_d | xam: i doubt it.. i don't think a p233mmx could handle it |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | michal_: Pentium 75 |
| 23:52.19 | jetscreamer | ^^what eeyore- said |
| 23:52.29 | abrotman | err |
| 23:52.31 | eeyore- | itp560: if you've got, say, 100GB of memory, you certainly don't need 200GB swap (not that anybody has 100GB of memory, but some day we might) |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | michal_d: Pentium 75 |
| 23:52.37 | tarzeau | sparr_: i don't care. i told you what i think is good enough for you |
| 23:52.37 | jetscreamer | if you have a gig of ram you don't need a 2g swap |
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| 23:52.45 | eeyore- | itp560: and besides, with patches that reduce swap pressure .... |
| 23:52.45 | jetscreamer | well usually |
| 23:52.46 | abrotman | michal_d: but basically .. the slowest machine you can find |
| 23:52.51 | sparr_ | tarzeau: ok, assuming i install 1.x, where can i find a good tutorial for it? |
| 23:52.55 | kbrooks | sparr_, pm me |
| 23:52.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: with 2.4 you do . .and oracle won't install without it |
| 23:53.00 | Adil | kbrooks> what is qemu and how can i install it? |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | or 2.4 should |
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| 23:53.08 | xam | michal_d: tststs, I have a pII-600 here that does bridging for 3x 100 MBit NIC, AND NAT AND firewall AND webserver AND cvs |
| 23:53.09 | tarzeau | sparr_: in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 23:53.10 | Guerin | can you install qemu on windows? |
| 23:53.12 | michal_d | abrotman: are you sure? absolutely certain? i know 200mhz RISC cpu's can only handle about 35mbit |
| 23:53.14 | eeyore- | dang i am liking the CK patches |
| 23:53.18 | kbrooks | Guerin, yes |
| 23:53.22 | jetscreamer | oracle.... i don't know much about 2.4 though |
| 23:53.23 | Guerin | wow, let |
| 23:53.26 | Guerin | s/e/ee/ |
| 23:53.31 | abrotman | michal_d: maybe you should tell the alpha at my office that does it :) |
| 23:53.35 | tarzeau | sparr_: have you ever done a apt-cache search apache doc ? |
| 23:53.35 | Eq|laptop | kbrooks: is anyone here any good with cdbs that you know of? i'm wanting to build a custom apache/php/modssl deb, for reasons of performance.. if it comes down to it, i'll create a false deb to satisfy deps and install things manually, but i'd rather not do that tbh. |
| 23:53.36 | grant3 | guerin: added the -c 2 to the KLOGD variable, did the force-reload, but the messages still appear |
| 23:53.45 | sparr_ | tarzeau: in the instant case, that did a very poor job of explaining where i had to go to get rid of the default redirect. i found it eventually, but id like to not search for everything like that |
| 23:53.46 | pipeline | michal_d: Uh, what are you talking about. |
| 23:53.49 | xam | michal_d: a fast 486 should do fine, somethink like 100MHz |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | michal_d: have you considered your NICs aren't full duplex or some such crap ? |
| 23:53.52 | sparr_ | tarzeau: i dont need documentation (yet). i need a tutorial. |
| 23:53.54 | pipeline | michal_d: Because it sure sounds liek you don't know. |
| 23:54.16 | Guerin | grant3: ..... .. ..... .. ...... |
| 23:54.19 | Guerin | gah |
| 23:54.28 | michal_d | pipeline: i know routers based on 200mhz processors can only handle about 35mbit.. from experience and searches on google |
| 23:54.34 | xam | michal_d: hahaha |
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| 23:54.40 | Guerin | grant3: experiment with that variable then |
| 23:54.47 | grant3 | guerin: ok |
| 23:54.50 | hettar | Is there any information on configuring the HAL package ? |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | michal_d: that's bunk .. the 233 alpha in my office does perfectly fine |
| 23:54.56 | Flimzy | Does fbcon use more memory than standard console? |
| 23:54.59 | templar | adil: i assume you just want to run that debian for the one programm and you don't want to install it on your hd? |
| 23:54.59 | toomboy | does anyone use apache2 and libapache2-mod-layout? giving error that LayoutMerge is not valid command, and per FAQ it is. |
| 23:54.59 | eeyore- | michal_: my celeron can handle 500K/sec NAT without batting an eyebrow. |
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| 23:55.04 | benjamindees | michal_d, what xam said |
| 23:55.05 | Guerin | Flimzy: marginally |
| 23:55.06 | pipeline | michal_d: Then no, you don't. I've seen Ultra 170E's handle 5x 100mbit ethernet very, very easily. |
| 23:55.07 | abrotman | michal_d: maybe ask #iptables |
| 23:55.17 | xam | michal_d: my O2 (195MHz) is certainly not busy handling 100MHz traffic |
| 23:55.19 | kbrooks | Adil, join #qemu and ask around |
| 23:55.22 | pipeline | michal_d: Not to mention ancient 68k-based Cisco AGS routers handling 20+ 10 mbit connections. |
| 23:55.22 | eeyore- | michal_d: that's THEIR problems (routers) |
| 23:55.28 | michal_d | eeyore: 500K/sec is NOTHING compared to 100megabytes/sec |
| 23:55.35 | Flimzy | Guerin: ok |
| 23:55.35 | grant3 | guerin: works if i set it to 1...thank you. |
| 23:55.38 | michal_d | eeyore: sorry 10megabytes/sec |
| 23:55.47 | Guerin | grant3: you're welcome |
| 23:55.51 | Linx | having an issue with pptpd and pppd, I have specified the option file for ppp to use in the pptpd.conf, ppp doesn't use it and just uses /etc/ppp/options instead of specified /etc/ppp/pptpd-options. Clients are unable to connect because of this problem. Works fine on woody but same setup doesn't work on 2 sarge machine I have set up. |
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| 23:56.19 | Linx | anyone have any ideas why its not using the right option file? |
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| 23:56.31 | pipeline | michal_d: 10 megabytes a second is not at all difficult for a reasonably fast 486, dude. Seriously. And there are non-x86 processors that get 486/100 performance at 25 MHz. Let's not make any more moronic blanket statements, eh? |
| 23:56.36 | eeyore- | michal_d: that's just because i have a cablemodem connection. it's not difficult |
| 23:57.00 | itp560 | if I have 2G ram swap will be 2G.. is this fine .. ? |
| 23:57.03 | abrotman | apache 2.x sucks! |
| 23:57.13 | abrotman | itp560: what is the application? |
| 23:57.14 | kbrooks | abrotman, no it doesnt |
| 23:57.16 | FieldySnuts | itp560: a bit overkill, i would take it down to 256MB |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | itp560: or purpose of the server? |
| 23:57.20 | eeyore- | michal_d: do you have an agenda to push, or what? :-) it's not hard to get modern CPU's to do NAT for high-bandwidth |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | kbrooks: yes it does!!! |
| 23:57.28 | jetscreamer | itp560, sounds like overkill unless you're really going to use it |
| 23:57.33 | Flimzy | itp560: That depends on what you're likely to do with your system. |
| 23:57.35 | abrotman | michal_d: #iptables .. ask them |
| 23:57.36 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 23:57.39 | Flimzy | itp560: You might not need any swap at all. OTOH, you might need 4gb of swap. |
| 23:57.42 | astronut | there a way to clear the apt databases? (force an apt-get update?) |
| 23:57.42 | itp560 | NIS,NFS,SAMBA, DHCP ...etc .. |
| 23:57.47 | kbrooks | abrotman, IT DOESN'T. concede or ill ignore you |
| 23:57.49 | eeyore- | itp560: tell you what ... try it for a few days/weeks/months, see how much swap you actually use |
| 23:57.50 | abrotman | itp560: 2GB swap should be fine |
| 23:57.55 | FieldySnuts | itp560: now I have 512MB ram, and 2GB swap, because I know i use it. I open several huge images at once for editing, eats into swap fast |
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| 23:58.01 | Flimzy | itp560: I have 1gb of RAM, and never dip into swap. |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | kbrooks: it's horrible! |
| 23:58.08 | deadcat | bob2: have you tried a regular MiniPCI wireless for your ibook? |
| 23:58.11 | kbrooks | abrotman, fine. ignored |
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| 23:58.15 | abrotman | kbrooks: yay! |
| 23:58.18 | tarzeau | kbrooks: you can add me too |
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| 23:58.30 | michal_d | pipleline: a WRT54G has a 200mhz processor. I know I'm not comparing apples and oranges but I don't know how to factor the differences in the CPU types |
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| 23:58.36 | mdadm | hi guys-- i am running the debian configuration before i compile the kernel..quick question-- i only have 1 cpu..but it says the minimum number of cpus i can type in is 2....any particular reason? is this for HT support? |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | so apparently if you tell all the idiots that whatever they advocate sucks .. you get ignored .. i just found the best way to get rid of idiots :) |
| 23:58.44 | FieldySnuts | generally, with that much ram, swap is "oh shit" backup. something weird spools away with memory, and instead of the kernel starting to kill stuff off (which it does when you run out of memory), it uses swap |
| 23:58.55 | deadcat | mdadm: disable SMP |
| 23:58.58 | c00l | has anyone experienced debian installer hangs on partitioning disk? |
| 23:58.58 | kbrooks | abrotman, dude. |
| 23:59.05 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.05 | abrotman | kbrooks: heh .. no humor :) |
| 23:59.06 | Guerin | kbrooks: like, y'knoow |
| 23:59.07 | kbrooks | abrotman, it doesnt suck. |
| 23:59.09 | tarzeau | c00l: no? |
| 23:59.12 | jetscreamer | mdadm, that used to be correct, it may have changed. |
| 23:59.14 | eeyore- | Swap: 1060280 50172 1010108 |
| 23:59.21 | mdadm | deadcat: i have HT on my cpu tho....should i keep it? |
| 23:59.26 | eeyore- | that's the machine with 1GB memory |
| 23:59.27 | FieldySnuts | SMP != HT |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | kbrooks: you have no fucking sense of humor .. get over yourself and apache2.x |
| 23:59.32 | Guerin | HypeThreading! |
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| 23:59.37 | abrotman | it's really not that any better |
| 23:59.38 | abrotman | or worse |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | so shut the hell up |
| 23:59.41 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: that's for sure |
| 23:59.41 | deadcat | mdadm: no clue what HT does |
| 23:59.53 | eeyore- | language ... language ... gentlemen |
| 23:59.59 | jetscreamer | emulates dualies or something |
