| 00:00.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: where? |
| 00:00.04 | FieldySnuts | ht is wanna-be SMP (one processor split into two logical cpus) |
| 00:00.15 | deadcat | ah |
| 00:00.16 | FieldySnuts | helps a bit but is generally hype |
| 00:00.17 | michal_d | i thought HT didn't even get used by the linux kernel unless SMP was enabled? |
| 00:00.19 | Guerin | hah, if someone can tell me who the gentlemen are in here, I'll know who you're talking to |
| 00:00.21 | abrotman | !ht |
| 00:00.22 | dpkg | hmm... ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 00:00.26 | mdadm | deadcat: got it..but by deafault smp was selected-- would it make things slower if i left it on? |
| 00:00.32 | FieldySnuts | michal_d: that was once true, but more recent kernels have a seperate smp and ht option |
| 00:00.41 | jetscreamer | cpu lobotomy? |
| 00:00.43 | deadcat | mdadm: no clue. sorry |
| 00:00.46 | FieldySnuts | lobotom? |
| 00:00.46 | Pappa | CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY i love that |
| 00:00.55 | FieldySnuts | is that really an option? |
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| 00:00.56 | eeyore- | itp560: there'll be other things that kill your linux box. things like memory overcommit :-) turn THAT off |
| 00:01.19 | Guerin | nobody needs more than a ghz of cpu speed anyway |
| 00:01.28 | michal_d | ahh.. i'll have to look into that |
| 00:01.28 | FieldySnuts | hm. not here on 2.6.11.5-grsec-2005blahblahlongnumberstring |
| 00:01.31 | Guerin | you kids are just spoiled |
| 00:01.37 | jetscreamer | we really only need 640k, right? |
| 00:01.42 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: it's gnomes fault! |
| 00:01.45 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i'd not go that far |
| 00:01.47 | deadcat | Guerin: i am still on 800mhz. |
| 00:01.53 | nagual | Guerin: you dont play any games, do you? |
| 00:01.59 | tipx | smp 466mhz! |
| 00:02.02 | FieldySnuts | wee |
| 00:02.05 | pipeline | nagual: What game doesn't run well on a 1 Ghz machine? |
| 00:02.07 | eeyore- | itp560: and you probably want to investigate patches that allow fair scheduling, and avoid long/deep memory scan (swap pressure), things like that will kill your linux box faster than running out of memory |
| 00:02.08 | michal_d | so does anyone know of any sort of benchmarks on NATing performance on various CPU's? I'm considering getting some sort of VIA cpu embedded onto a motherboard.. |
| 00:02.09 | jetscreamer | this 2.0 is oh so much better than the p3550 |
| 00:02.12 | Guerin | p2-233 powah! |
| 00:02.18 | pipeline | michal_d: Anything faster than a 486 is more than enough. |
| 00:02.24 | FieldySnuts | gzcat /proc/config.gz | grep LOBOTOM |
| 00:02.26 | FieldySnuts | nuthin |
| 00:02.31 | deadcat | Guerin: thats sad. i give away better shits then your box (= |
| 00:02.35 | pipeline | michal_d: You'll probably want at least 16M of RAM though, in order to improve filtering performance |
| 00:02.36 | benjamindees | michal_d, do you plan to do anything more than just NAT? |
| 00:02.43 | eeyore- | michal_: how much data are you going to process. be honest now. for YOUR situation. |
| 00:03.13 | Guerin | deadcat: this laptop kicks all kinds of arse. I was going to replace it, but I've now decided to take it on a world trip with me, because it's basically indestructible |
| 00:03.17 | michal_d | pipeline: so then how do the cu's in routers compare to a 486? do you know anywhere i could get figures on something like that? |
| 00:03.31 | nagual | pipeline: halflife 2? far cry? actually q3 doesnt run well enough to play competetavely on a 1 ghz machine |
| 00:03.37 | mdadm | Is HPET better than the legacy 8254 timer? |
| 00:03.38 | benjamindees | michal_d, VPN or something? because anything with a PCI bus will do just fine if it's just NAT |
| 00:03.41 | Guerin | and if worst comes to worst, I can take the hdd out and ditch it |
| 00:03.41 | deadcat | Guerin: dang... replace with an ibookG4 (= |
| 00:03.43 | michal_d | eeyore: 10megabytes/second |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | michal_d: what cpu does your router have? |
| 00:03.51 | jetscreamer | nagual, incorrect about the q3 |
| 00:03.52 | pipeline | michal_d: Routers are a whole different ballgame. On a PC, using PF, IPF, or iptables, a 486-class CPU is good enough. |
| 00:03.56 | michal_d | benjamin: the problem is not the pci bus.. it's the cpu |
| 00:04.01 | eeyore- | i care more about noise and electrical power consumption. i should replace my router at home with EPIA PD/CL board. |
| 00:04.11 | nagual | jetscreamer: i played q3 on national level, i doubt you know more about q3 than me :) |
| 00:04.14 | eeyore- | michal_d: that's not hard to do |
| 00:04.15 | pipeline | nagual: Bullshit -- Q3 runs great on a PII. 100+ fps at 1024x768, if I recall correctly. |
| 00:04.17 | Guerin | deadcat: why, when it's just liable to get stolen, burned, drowned, sanded in, shot up, a\nd have beer spilt on it? |
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| 00:04.19 | jmspeex | Has anyone got sane to work recently in unstable? |
| 00:04.30 | michal_d | abrotman: well at the moment it's an apple aiport extreme and it shits itself (ie becomes overloaded) at 2megabytes/second |
| 00:04.31 | nagual | pipeline: whatever you like |
| 00:04.46 | pipeline | nagual: Half-life 2 ran great on dual Athlon 1.2's; I was RAM limited long before I ran into CPU issues. |
| 00:04.49 | eeyore- | michal_d: my P75 used to filter traffic between four 100Mb subnets with a quadport card |
| 00:04.50 | Eq|laptop | nagual: with correct configuration, you can easily get q3 to run extremely well on 1ghz pc's. as long as you have a semi-decent gfx chip.. ;) |
| 00:04.52 | jetscreamer | nagual, i doubt it. i'll concede on_parishness... what mod, cpm? |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | michal_d: that's wireless? |
| 00:04.55 | benjamindees | michal_d, mmm-hmm, and what would this CPU be computing actually? |
| 00:05.00 | pipeline | nagual: Computer users consuming obsession with ever higher numbers is just ridiculous |
| 00:05.02 | joloc | how to restart x on debian sarge? |
| 00:05.05 | Guerin | i played q3a on a celery 500 |
| 00:05.14 | mdadm | anyone have APIC on their cpu? (advaned programmable interrupt controller) |
| 00:05.18 | nagual | haha |
| 00:05.20 | Guerin | with a tnt2, even |
| 00:05.22 | jetscreamer | joloc are you using xdm gdm or kdm, or did you use startx |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | michal_d: isn't that thing wireless? |
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| 00:05.25 | pipeline | nagual: Granted, I was getting those framerates with a Geforce3 in a PII machine. Which is kind of like cheating. |
| 00:05.33 | pipeline | joloc: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:05.33 | jetscreamer | mdadm, everybody does mostly |
| 00:05.35 | joloc | jetscreamer: gdm |
| 00:05.38 | eeyore- | mdadm: sure |
| 00:05.38 | pipeline | joloc: If you're not using gdm, you should be. |
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| 00:05.45 | jetscreamer | what pipeline said joloc |
| 00:05.51 | mdadm | jetscreamer: even p4s? when is it used? |
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| 00:05.57 | nagual | jetscreamer: ctfs. i also played in the same clan as a lot of the clanbase cup(s) and ra3 national teams |
| 00:05.59 | michal_d | abrotman: yes. but i'm not interested in the wireless performance |
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| 00:06.17 | mdadm | jetscreamer- how about an IO-APIC? |
| 00:06.31 | joloc | jetscreamer: i tried that, and it started a second instance of x |
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| 00:06.43 | pipeline | joloc: Kill the instance you're in with ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | michal_d: but you're bitching about a piece of crap apple router dying at 2mb |
| 00:06.44 | jetscreamer | mdadm, oops i meant that about io-apic |
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| 00:06.59 | gilles | is xml a replacement for html ? |
| 00:07.07 | pipeline | michal_d: An airport extreme is not a router. Enough said. |
| 00:07.08 | nagual | well, a 1ghz machine cant contain 125 steadily (well, it might maybe with a brand new gfx, but i doubt it) but you will want 333 fps anyway, im not sure about how the cups etc have rules about that now, but when i lasted checked a lot of the topplayers used it |
| 00:07.09 | joloc | pipeline: ok |
| 00:07.11 | mdadm | jetscreamer: ahh when are IU-APICs used in a production system? webserver use that? |
| 00:07.14 | abrotman | gilles: depends |
| 00:07.17 | abrotman | gilles: #web |
| 00:07.20 | jetscreamer | nagual, i was into ra3, then went to urban terror... cool nicetomeetcha |
| 00:07.20 | michal_d | abrotman: no i'm asking a question.. i didn't mention the apple till you asked :P |
| 00:07.20 | Guerin | gilles: no |
| 00:07.31 | pipeline | michal_d: If it doesn't say "juniper", "cisco", or "3com" on it, it's not a router. If it's not either 19" or 24" wide, it's not a router. |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | michal_d: but a P75 should be able to handle 10Mb |
| 00:07.34 | Guerin | gilles: it can be used as such, but it is not by design |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | michal_d: and certainly a 200Mhz RISC |
| 00:07.50 | mdadm | Anyone use HPET (the timer that replaces 8254)? |
| 00:07.53 | jetscreamer | mdadm, i know about io-apic, the rest i know what is good for my cpu... the kernel docs are under the source |
| 00:07.55 | FieldySnuts | heh comment found in arch/sparc/kernel/wuf.S (2.6.11.5 anyway) /* Did I ever tell you about my window lobotomy? * anyways... fwin_user_stack_is_bolixed expects * to be in window 'W' so make it happy or else * we watchdog badly. */ |
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| 00:07.57 | pipeline | abrotman, michal_d: A pentium 75 should be able to saturate 10Mb with SSH traffic, much less handle it. |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | michal_d: one of the big things .. make sure you have a well supported NIC |
| 00:08.08 | FieldySnuts | nice function name too |
| 00:08.14 | abrotman | michal_d: if you pick crappy nics .. you get crappy performance |
| 00:08.27 | pipeline | michal_d, abrotman: And by "one of the big things" he means "the biggest thing." Use 3com, use Intel, or use nothing. Nothing else is worth considering. |
| 00:08.37 | FieldySnuts | I strongly agree with pipeline |
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| 00:08.39 | abrotman | pipeline: older DEC stuff :) |
| 00:08.41 | FieldySnuts | especially bad is linksys |
| 00:08.41 | jetscreamer | and yeah on that level of play sure you have to be competitive |
| 00:08.43 | abrotman | yay tulip!! |
| 00:08.43 | michal_d | pipeline: do you understand that it's not traffic that causes a load on the cpu but the NAT? |
| 00:08.51 | FieldySnuts | netgear is fair, but i'd still go for the others |
| 00:08.56 | pipeline | abrotman: Bah, screw that. 3com was good even then. |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | not traffic .. but NAT ? |
| 00:09.01 | xam | mdamd: yes, I use HPET |
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| 00:09.03 | pipeline | michal_d: Yes, I'm mocking you. |
| 00:09.17 | eeyore- | michal_d: do you have this misconceived notion that NAT is somehow CPU intensive? |
| 00:09.23 | abrotman | pipeline: i've got a pile of DEC214xx or whatever they are in my office .. that's what happens when you buy alphas :) |
| 00:09.26 | pipeline | michal_d: NAT is an absolute joke for a Pentium-class machine. |
| 00:09.29 | mdadm | xam: do you notice an improvement over the older one? or not really? |
| 00:09.34 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, they must have been pretty early Alphas, eh? |
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| 00:09.43 | abrotman | pipeline: alphastation 4/233 |
| 00:09.46 | abrotman | or somehting like that |
| 00:09.47 | FieldySnuts | hell I used to do NAT with a P60, so gimmie a break |
| 00:10.05 | eeyore- | michal_d: stop now before you look more ridiculous :-) |
| 00:10.05 | michal_d | abrotman: yes. even the apple router can handle unNAT'd traffic at 8megabytes/second... but NAT'd at 2megabytes/second.. similar to a Linksys router |
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| 00:10.21 | FieldySnuts | @hump michal_d |
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| 00:10.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:10.26 | pipeline | FieldySnuts, michal_d: I've seen NAT for 10mbit cable internet done on a 386sx. |
| 00:10.27 | FieldySnuts | grr no ravenbird |
| 00:10.33 | michal_d | eeyore: yes and it was reinforced by cafuego, bob2 and a few other people on this channel |
| 00:10.41 | abrotman | pipeline: SX? .. now you're making jokes :) |
| 00:10.56 | eeyore- | michal_d: eh? i doubt cafuego says "NAT is cpu intensive" in those words |
| 00:11.01 | hettar | I've done it on the DX and it was fine |
| 00:11.04 | astronut | there a way to clear the apt databases? (force an apt-get update?) |
| 00:11.04 | xam | mdamd: not really ;) for best 'performace' don't select "PROVIDE RTC INTERRUPT", but instead 'Device Drivers->Character Devices->HPET Control RTC IRQ' |
| 00:11.17 | dondelelcaro | astronut: what do you mean by "clear"? |
| 00:11.19 | pipeline | michal_d, abrotman: I am seriously not kidding. Throughput wasn't great, but it was a 386sx running FreeBSD, 8M of RAM. |
| 00:11.27 | astronut | dondelelcaro: delete? |
| 00:11.29 | xam | mdamd: but you won't notice anything anyway ... |
| 00:11.30 | FieldySnuts | mm freebsd |
| 00:11.32 | abrotman | admit it .. the real problem with using a 386/486 for a router is finding two ISA nics :) |
| 00:11.34 | astronut | like apt-get clean, but for the lists not the packages |
| 00:11.34 | michal_d | eeyore: he did. maybe i have it in scrollback.. don't know |
| 00:11.39 | astronut | abrotman: so true |
| 00:11.43 | astronut | i have 2 if anyone wnats |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | i have one .. |
| 00:11.49 | pipeline | abrotman: It may have been MCA, I can't remember now. |
| 00:11.50 | dondelelcaro | astronut: you don't delete them. You just run update; and then they are replaced. |
| 00:11.50 | abrotman | and a modem :) |
| 00:11.52 | astronut | they're 10baseT and coaxial |
| 00:11.54 | abrotman | pipeline: eww .. stop now! |
| 00:11.55 | benjamindees | abrotman, two that don't want the same irq :( |
| 00:11.57 | FieldySnuts | i have one around, peice of garbage |
| 00:11.57 | astronut | dondelelcaro: i know |
| 00:11.57 | eeyore- | i'm holding on to my four tulip NIC :-) |
| 00:11.59 | mdadm | xam: got it..thanks man! |
| 00:12.02 | astronut | but if i want to force a redownload |
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| 00:12.03 | eeyore- | that's one nice board |
| 00:12.13 | michal_d | well i'm going to spend around $500 building a router so i want to be DAMN sure it can handle whatever I want to do with it |
| 00:12.15 | abrotman | benjamindees: ISAPnP!! .. but the old 3com had a boatload of jumpers to set ... |
| 00:12.20 | eeyore- | too bad they don't make that board any more ... and it's a d-link too, surprisingly |
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| 00:12.30 | dondelelcaro | astronut: it does a HEAD. if they haven't changed on the mirrors, they aren't redownloaded. |
| 00:12.40 | eeyore- | $500 building a router? OMFG |
| 00:12.48 | dondelelcaro | astronut: if you really care about it, murder the listchanges.db and possibly the lists directory |
| 00:12.51 | benjamindees | abrotman, bah, I'll take jumpers any day over isapnp |
| 00:12.52 | astronut | ah |
| 00:12.52 | pipeline | eeyore-: Even cheap NICs are often tulips... |
| 00:12.54 | astronut | thanks |
| 00:12.57 | eeyore- | michal_d: let me guess ... you use "Bang Olufsen" stereo equiements? |
| 00:13.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i just inherited a machine at work with an AUI port |
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| 00:13.05 | abrotman | benjamindees: duh |
| 00:13.09 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: creepy |
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| 00:13.15 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no kidding |
| 00:13.18 | Flimqy | Is it possible to do dual-head by adding any-old PCI card to a system with an AGP card? |
| 00:13.18 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: I have like 200 feet of aui cable and a handfull of repeaters |
| 00:13.22 | pipeline | michal_d: 500$? On a router? That's obscene. You could get a Soekris at that price! |
| 00:13.25 | FieldySnuts | odd hardware that is |
| 00:13.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the last AUI i saw was on a 3com card .. or the Sun SPARC 1+ i had after college |
| 00:13.36 | michal_d | eeyore: no but the router has to be about the size of a router.. not a pc |
| 00:13.40 | templar | Flimqy: yes |
| 00:13.45 | FieldySnuts | a little bit of old optic equipment too, but I'm not saying where I got that |
| 00:13.53 | pipeline | michal_d: http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm ohhhh yes. |
| 00:13.54 | eeyore- | michal_d: $140 EPIA CL, $30 128MB memory, $35 DC/DC power supply, no case |
| 00:14.04 | michal_d | and by "router" i mean something SMALL |
| 00:14.12 | Flimqy | templar: Is it furthermore possible to run independant X servers on each head? |
| 00:14.16 | mdadm | do people use the BSD process accounting feature? |
| 00:14.20 | pipeline | Flimqy: it is, but it's a pain in the ass. |
| 00:14.21 | FieldySnuts | for your money you may as well get a lame consumer grade 'router' |
| 00:14.22 | pipeline | mdadm: Yes. |
| 00:14.34 | FieldySnuts | mdadm: I do, but I don't know why the hell I am |
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| 00:14.42 | mdadm | pipeline: do programs you write use it? or the programs you download? |
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| 00:14.49 | michal_d | eeyore: wtf can you get an EPIA for that money? |
| 00:14.51 | joloc_ | what is the appropriate usenet group for mouse problem under kernel 2.6 + sarge? (nobody here seems to be able to help) |
| 00:14.55 | pipeline | mdadm: Some people actually use it to log user activity. |
| 00:14.59 | templar | Flimqy: again yes .. worked for me (riva128, geforce) |
| 00:15.06 | eeyore- | michal_d: lots of places. you haven't looked i guess. |
| 00:15.10 | jetscreamer | read the help |
| 00:15.11 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: what is the actual problem? |
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| 00:15.18 | mdadm | pipeline: ahh so apache uses it? |
| 00:15.19 | Flimqy | pipeline: Is it possible, then, to run a single X server, but independant applications on each one? (I'd like to use one head primarily for monitoring stuff like /var/syslog, etc, so it'll probably just have a few xterms running tail -f all the time) |
| 00:15.23 | tipx | what pop/imap works best with Postfix and mbox/Mail folders? |
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| 00:15.30 | michal_d | eeyore: plus the 4 port nic i will want for it will be a large part of the cost.. going to TRY and get a Sun one off ebay |
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| 00:15.37 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: my mouse is completely dead when X comes up, this happened with upgrade to kernel 2.6 |
| 00:15.39 | kbrooks | Where can I configure lilo? |
| 00:15.43 | pipeline | Flimqy: Yes, but again, that's not easy to set up. That stuff is... old and weird. |
| 00:15.47 | FieldySnuts | vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:15.47 | michal_d | eeyote: only the 1ghz models seem to still be available |
| 00:15.49 | kbrooks | ok |
| 00:15.50 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: you're not using the right InputDevice |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | kbrooks: man lilo |
| 00:15.51 | Guerin | kbrooks: locate lilo.conf |
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| 00:15.54 | benjamindees | tipx, courier |
| 00:15.58 | Guerin | kbrooks: eejit |
| 00:15.59 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: be positive to re-run lilo after that |
| 00:15.59 | mdadm | pipeline: do you use version 3 of the bsd process accounting file format? |
| 00:16.01 | pipeline | Flimqy: I think the decimal points in display names were for that purpose. :0.0, :0.1 |
| 00:16.02 | xam | mdadm: well, there is a downside, no real apps make real use of the HPET, and some other apps rely on bad assumptions of /dev/rtc. If you have troubles with some software, just reverse the options I've mentioned |
| 00:16.05 | tipx | benjamindees: ok.. |
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| 00:16.11 | Flimqy | pipeline: heh |
| 00:16.15 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: mdetect -x reports /dev/psaux and ImPS/2 are right setting for XF86Config-4 |
| 00:16.16 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: it should be /dev/input/mice or some such, not /dev/psaux or whatever you were using before. |
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| 00:16.24 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: mdetect is wrong |
| 00:16.25 | eeyore- | michal_d: OK, PD10000 = $183, and this place is not the cheapest on the net |
| 00:16.34 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: it is a touchpad on a notebook |
| 00:16.35 | matman | Anyone particularily good at ALSA? I have a TV card (bttv) and an AU8810 sound card. The snd-bt87x driver loads before snd-au8810, into slot 1; when au8810 tries to load it says, "cannot find the slot for index 1". If I rmmod snd-bt87x; modprobe snd-au8810, au8810 works. Ideas? |
| 00:16.36 | Flimqy | templar: Is there a good howto on that kinda stuff? |
| 00:16.59 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: i'll try that (again), what protocol should i use? |
| 00:17.00 | eeyore- | michal_d: 4-port nic, $150 or so last i bought one |
| 00:17.03 | templar | Flimqy: google. sry don't have a link .. |
| 00:17.11 | Flimqy | templar: 'k |
| 00:17.14 | Guerin | matman: put the sound module above the bttv module in /etc/modules |
| 00:17.23 | eeyore- | michal_d: ah, you want to buy a Sun whose ancestry you know not ... and you want to trust it? probably has dead rats inside the case |
| 00:17.27 | michal_d | eeyore: what brand? does it do VLANs ? |
| 00:17.29 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: well, most likely wrong. if you don't see anything when you cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse, then check /dev/input/mice |
| 00:17.40 | eeyore- | michal_d: it's fully buzzword-compliant, DLINK |
| 00:17.44 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: if you don't see anything both ways, then you may not have loaded the right module. |
| 00:17.47 | michal_d | eeyore: that was recommended to me by bob2 |
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| 00:17.56 | FieldySnuts | 150 for a dlink? heh |
| 00:18.02 | eeyore- | FieldySnuts: quadport |
| 00:18.04 | matman | Guerin: /etc/modules is empty; the sound drivers are all loaded automatically (by whatever hardware autodetection stuff Debian has in it these days [I have not kept up]) |
| 00:18.06 | FieldySnuts | even so |
| 00:18.09 | michal_d | eeyore: i've been told the dlinks suck.. using the sungem chipset which is known to be evil according to a few people here |
| 00:18.10 | eeyore- | FieldySnuts: it's nice :) |
| 00:18.17 | eeyore- | FieldySnuts: REALLY nice |
| 00:18.20 | xam | mdadm: if you don't know what BSD accounting is used for, you don't need it. Generally speaking, if you don't know a option, you don't need it. If you selected all the options you know, and the compiled kernel doesn't boot, then you are not ready yet to configure/compile a kernel yourself and should use the debian kernels |
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| 00:18.35 | dondelelcaro | michal_d: eh? no one here has said much at all about sun gem |
| 00:18.36 | michal_d | eeyore: and wtf did you get the dlink for $150? costs about $260 + delivery in all the places I found.. this is the 589TX? |
| 00:18.37 | jmspeex | Anyone here that cares about the SANE package? |
| 00:18.40 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: cat /dev/input/mice is silent; and lsmod shows psmouse and mousedev |
| 00:18.50 | sparr_ | I am looking for a debian apache2 tutorial covering topics most likely to be needed by a newbie. In particular I would like something that covers removing the default redirect from / to /apache2-default/, that took me a while to find on my own. |
| 00:18.52 | michal_d | dondelelcaro: bob2 has |
| 00:18.54 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: ok, do you see anything when you cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse |
| 00:18.57 | eeyore- | michal_d: SOCAL, let me look at the box |
| 00:19.21 | michal_d | eeyote: how about this thing? http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_show.php?art_no=mbVIepiave5000 |
| 00:19.23 | eeyore- | michal_d: DFE-570TX, this is older one. i said they don't make this one any more |
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| 00:19.25 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: nothing |
| 00:19.31 | matman | Anyone know how the normal hardware autodetection stuff in debian works? I need to debug a problem with ALSA sound driver loading order. |
| 00:19.40 | matman | (point me to docs?) |
| 00:19.45 | mdadm | xam: how hard can it be to configure a kernel? i have a cs background...:) |
| 00:19.47 | pipeline | matman: It's called "hotplug" |
| 00:19.47 | kbrooks | now to reboot |
| 00:19.57 | pipeline | mdadm: It's very hard. Don't do it unless you have to. |
| 00:20.04 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: i am clueless... |
| 00:20.10 | benjamindees | joloc_, kill xdm |
| 00:20.11 | xam | mdadm: well, sometimes a background is not good enough :-P *ducks* |
| 00:20.17 | kbrooks | brb |
| 00:20.18 | mdadm | pipeline: but it is menu driven...and the help basically tells you what it does roughly.. |
| 00:20.20 | benjamindees | joloc_, er, gdm |
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| 00:20.23 | pipeline | mdadm, xam: Also, the options that you don't know that you need are usually the ones that bite you in the ass. If you don't know, answer yes. |
| 00:20.30 | michal_d | actually that's a bit of a rippof.. they have better ones for $4 more |
| 00:20.39 | eeyore- | has anybody put a samba 3.x server in active directory domain before? |
| 00:20.39 | pipeline | mdadm: It's easy to fuck up and nobody will help you if you do. Use a stock kernel configuration. |
| 00:20.48 | mdadm | pipeline: thats what Im doing..just saying yes... |
| 00:20.53 | benjamindees | joloc_, hmm, gpm? |
| 00:20.53 | eeyore- | my samba is compiled with kerberos and ldap, but i can't seem to get it to join AD domain |
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| 00:21.04 | mdadm | pipeline: but i need to compile raid support into the kernel... |
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| 00:21.08 | pipeline | mdadm: Also, configuring a kernel is an extremely long process. |
| 00:21.09 | joloc_ | benjamindees: i kicked that out already |
| 00:21.10 | benjamindees | joloc_, yeah, it's gpm I swear ;) |
| 00:21.19 | pipeline | mdadm: Ah, you just need to COMPILE a kernel. That's difficult, but much easier. |
| 00:21.20 | xam | pipeline: as I said, if you just the selected the options you know (and know you need), and the kernel doesn't boot, you are not ready |
| 00:21.20 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: look at your kernel config and make sure that you've got CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=m or y |
| 00:21.38 | mdadm | pipeline: yah i've been going thru all the menus.... |
| 00:21.43 | pipeline | mdadm: Get the debian-ized sources, copy a configuration from /boot/config to .config, then "make oldconfig" |
| 00:21.55 | pipeline | mdadm: You shouldn't need to spend more than thirty seconds in the configuration menus |
| 00:22.01 | xam | pipeline: well, often enough the kernel help says "if you don't know what that means select N here" |
| 00:22.13 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: using precompiled 2.6.10, how do i get the config? |
| 00:22.15 | mdadm | pipeline: yah i was just reading what each of these is...looks kinda cool :) |
| 00:22.15 | pipeline | xam: Nobody should ever have to compile their kernel. |
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| 00:22.29 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: it'll be in /boot/config-blahblahblah |
| 00:22.39 | pipeline | mdadm: I suppose it's fun once or twice. It rapidly becomes a chore. Also, you're very, very, very early in the process. |
| 00:22.39 | xam | pipeline: wishful thinking ... |
| 00:22.44 | pipeline | xam: wishful thinking my eye. |
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| 00:22.47 | pipeline | xam: We're at that point. |
| 00:22.54 | pipeline | xam: I haven't configured or compiled a kernel in nearly a year. |
| 00:23.02 | Void | Hi to all ^^ |
| 00:23.03 | mdadm | pipeline: yah i think ill be going at this all night...my ultimate aim is to be working with ruby tonite :) |
| 00:23.05 | dondelelcaro | michal_d: uh, bob2 hasn't said anything like that about the sun gem in quite some time. In fact, the last time he said anything about them, he recomended them. |
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| 00:23.13 | mdadm | if i make that..woohoo...we'll see...i had aimed to be there by noon |
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| 00:23.32 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=y |
| 00:23.34 | xam | pipeline: there are some options (marked EXPERIMENTAL, of those that cannot compiled as modules) that are not in the debian kernels |
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| 00:23.42 | eeyore- | have to go, got to get samba added to active directory ... sigh |
| 00:23.50 | Adil | kbrooks??? |
| 00:23.53 | nas | my PS/2 keyboard works fine in a vt but doesnt work in x. i have tried every possible keyboard driver configuration option i could think of. |
| 00:24.05 | Adil | kbrooks> can u come help me in #qemu.. no one else is there |
| 00:24.27 | nas | is there another keyboard driver i could use with xfree86 |
| 00:24.31 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: strangely, it's also stopped working under kernel 2.4 now |
| 00:24.57 | xam | pipeline: as I said 'wishful thinking'. It would be nice, and what you're saying is true for 99.999% of the debian users, but not for everybody. Eg. some people actually have to patch their kernels to get it working properly ;) |
| 00:25.01 | Adil | can someone please help me with qemu?? |
| 00:25.42 | matman | I notice that in modules.conf, there's an option "options snd-bt87x index=-2" which is labeled by a comment as being there to stop bt87x from getting index 0, but after booting, bt87x DOES have index 0 (causing me problems). WTF? |
| 00:25.51 | pipeline | xam: Yes, and those few rapidly become very, very sad monkeys. |
| 00:26.06 | xam | pipeline: I know ... |
| 00:26.09 | Guerin | or go and buy proper hardware |
| 00:26.27 | benjamindees | but... but... I like my Cyrix MediaGX :( |
| 00:26.50 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: you've got something else going on then... first things first, moving the mouse has to give you some sort of data in /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 00:27.12 | nas | i noticed this same problem happened in slackeware but was remedied by removing the keyboard from the xorg.conf |
| 00:27.30 | xam | Guerin: well, for some stuff you need to patch the kernel, because there is no other way (eg. we have a FPGA PCI board here, or special SCSI driver for our cluster nodes) |
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| 00:27.55 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: just tried to cat /dev/input/mouse{0,1,2,3}: no such device. relevant? |
| 00:28.09 | nas | i tried that in debian and it didnt work |
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| 00:28.29 | mdadm | xam: only laptops needs ACPI support right? |
| 00:28.42 | michal_d | how about this 4 port network card? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5762746041&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT |
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| 00:29.04 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: not really... |
| 00:29.11 | Guerin | xam: right. But that's work for people who Know What They're DOing |
| 00:29.15 | nas | ive been trying to figure this out for a long time |
| 00:29.24 | xam | mdadm: need? well ... ACPI is the successor to APM and Plug'n'play, so it gives you advantages in desktop systems aswell |
| 00:29.25 | pukko | benjamindees, you have a mediagx? |
| 00:29.38 | xam | Guerin: that's what I'm talking about all along |
| 00:29.52 | Guerin | yeah; I did say "or" |
| 00:29.57 | benjamindees | pukko, in front of me |
| 00:30.47 | xam | Guerin: okay, got it now ;) |
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| 00:31.02 | pukko | benjamindees, oh. got one too, but in the other room. can you do anything useful with it? |
| 00:31.07 | benjamindees | pukko, needs a nic though :( |
| 00:31.27 | pukko | benjamindees, what about the onboard one? |
| 00:31.29 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: how can it be that the device files remain silent... anything more low-level? driver registration...? |
| 00:31.31 | michal_d | i wonder what driver that quad port sun card uses :/ |
| 00:31.33 | nas | is there other configuration files other than the xfree86conf one? |
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| 00:31.45 | xam | Guerin: I assumed a XOR, or a OR with a little bit XOR mixed in |
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| 00:32.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:32.13 | benjamindees | pukko, this one came with a 8-bit isa slot, no onboard nic |
| 00:32.32 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: kernel modules not working, wrong kernel modules, hardware not working... |
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| 00:33.00 | pukko | benjamindees,I see, it's not a thin client then? didn't know there were other boards? |
| 00:33.05 | nas | has anyone had similar problems with ps/2 keyboards? |
| 00:33.21 | benjamindees | pukko, somebody said it could do mtrr, so I used that as an excuse to spend too much time looking through the kernel source and playing with it |
| 00:33.25 | matman | Does the hotplug system use modules.conf? |
| 00:33.35 | benjamindees | pukko, it's a compaq presario |
| 00:33.43 | Guerin | the playstation2 has a kbd? |
| 00:33.45 | matman | Specifically, does the hotplug system observe the "option" directives in modules.conf? |
| 00:33.46 | pukko | benjamindes, hehe. don't think so with that crappy 5530 video chip |
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| 00:34.03 | xam | Guerin: you can get one for it |
| 00:34.07 | jetscreamer | Guerin, you can get one |
| 00:34.09 | _zardozl | can anyone help me mounting my hdds right ? |
| 00:34.10 | jetscreamer | jonx |
| 00:34.33 | jetscreamer | !tell _zardozl about ro-ntfs |
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| 00:34.51 | jetscreamer | see also rw-vfat |
| 00:34.54 | benjamindees | pukko, it's got nice speakers though, would make a good low end mp3 player |
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| 00:35.32 | _zardozl | jetscreamer, i have like mounted everything wrong.. damn i should never started without asking.. |
| 00:35.53 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: need to find more docs - what is my touchpad, technically? serial mouse? |
| 00:36.01 | mdadm | guys would a dell 400sc have an isa bus system or is it pci? |
| 00:36.09 | mdadm | the dell faq seems to say pci.... |
| 00:36.15 | Guerin | mdadm: eyeometer |
| 00:36.17 | FieldySnuts | i' dimagine dell knows |
| 00:36.27 | mdadm | guerin: doing kernel config :) |
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| 00:36.31 | pukko | benjamindes, yeah, that's pretty much all I ever used mine for. mp3 and irc basically. |
| 00:36.37 | Guerin | mdadm: so? |
| 00:36.38 | xam | mdadm: lspci? |
| 00:36.38 | FieldySnuts | it won't hurt to include both pci and isa |
| 00:36.45 | mdadm | good pt...my fault guerin.. |
| 00:36.59 | nas | its allmost as if nobody else has ever had a problem where there keyboard doesnt work in x |
| 00:37.07 | FieldySnuts | probably user error |
| 00:37.08 | joloc_ | !touchpad |
| 00:37.08 | dpkg | hmm... touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
| 00:37.17 | pukko | benjamindees, too bad the videochip is such crap, otherwise it might even have been useful as a real thin client. |
| 00:37.35 | michal_d | anyone here use a quad port ethenet adapter? |
| 00:37.43 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 00:37.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:37.56 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: depends on the touchpad. Mine is an adb mouse, FE. Some are USB, others are serial |
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| 00:38.34 | michal_d | Guerin: how else do you expect me to ask? i don't want to know anything specific.. just whether anyone here uses one. if someone does I would be interested in the model |
| 00:38.47 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: is there any hardware info command that will tell me? |
| 00:38.54 | Guerin | michal_d: what is this, #hardware-surveys? |
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| 00:39.37 | dondelelcaro | joloc_: looking at the output of dmesg will give you an idea |
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| 00:40.42 | michal_d | guerin: sort of. it's "I use this hardware under debian and it works fine for me". I know it's linux not debian specific.. but i'll be using debian specifically.. |
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| 00:40.53 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: yes, too many bogus messages there... |
| 00:40.56 | Guerin | so? |
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| 00:41.23 | Guerin | look on a damn HCL. Redhat has one. Suse has one. Mandy has one. It's the same kernel, bud. |
| 00:41.49 | Guerin | joloc_: man grep |
| 00:41.51 | michal_d | Guerin: well I don't know what the hardware is because nobody responded. |
| 00:42.01 | FieldySnuts | how would we know what your hardware is... |
| 00:42.09 | benjamindees | heh |
| 00:42.17 | Guerin | michal_d: ok, you can just sit there with your thumb up your arse whining about it, then. |
| 00:42.24 | michal_d | FieldySnuts: i don't have hardware. you do. and if you don't then the question wasn't targeted at you |
| 00:42.26 | joloc_ | Guerin: oh really? |
| 00:42.33 | Guerin | joloc_: yes. |
| 00:42.36 | benjamindees | what we have here is... failure... to communicate |
| 00:42.56 | joloc_ | Guerin: man dmesg |
| 00:43.10 | joloc_ | Guerin: sorry |
| 00:43.20 | michal_d | the problem is that there is fuck all documentation on quad port ethernet cards under linux and so the only way to discover anything is to ask people |
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| 00:43.22 | Guerin | !cool hand luke |
| 00:43.22 | dpkg | WHAT we have heah, is a FAILUH to communicate. Some men you jes cain't reach, so you get what we have here last week. He wants it that way, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you. |
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| 00:44.18 | abrotman | Guerin: iirc ... flawed quote |
| 00:44.30 | bg]knife | so i installed debian from the net-boot cd. now all i have is the comand line interface and some basic packets. how do i install gui and some software to test it out so i see if it's a good choise for a laptop. whats the command to get the upgrades |
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| 00:45.05 | PlanarPlatypus | bg]knife, aptitude |
| 00:45.10 | bg]knife | just ype it? |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | Guerin: Captain, Road Prison 36: What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men. |
| 00:45.12 | Guerin | abrotman: probably |
| 00:45.13 | PlanarPlatypus | yes |
| 00:45.26 | abrotman | Guerin: notice the "which" .. makes a big difference |
| 00:45.28 | bg]knife | hohoho kk thx |
| 00:45.35 | PlanarPlatypus | bg]knife, it will give you a curses based program which has all the packages listed |
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| 00:45.47 | PlanarPlatypus | bg]knife, hit / for a search function |
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| 00:46.09 | Guerin | abrotman: I don't know the quote, I just know the factoid |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | Guerin: so fix it!! |
| 00:46.34 | bg]knife | how do i install them after i select them?> |
| 00:47.24 | PlanarPlatypus | bg]knife, hit ? for a help dialogue |
| 00:47.46 | travisat | abrotman: why can't you fix it? |
| 00:47.57 | krepi | I'm having problems with debian sarge, ports that netstat reports as listening on localhost.localdomain will not answer unless i'm on that computer, specifically I'm trying to get ssh portforwarding to work. |
| 00:48.04 | PlanarPlatypus | but you hit + to install a package, - to cancel the install or remove a package and g to review what is going to be installed |
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| 00:48.23 | PlanarPlatypus | (press g again on the reviewing screen to actually do the install) |
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| 00:48.50 | PlanarPlatypus | schlurchz, perhaps, thing is I think apt-get and apt-cache are harder |
| 00:48.51 | nas | what a useless channel |
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| 00:49.05 | dvshadow_ | haha |
| 00:49.08 | bg]knife | PlanarPlatypus, thx i got it |
| 00:49.22 | schlurchz | PlanarPlatypus: "apt-get install kde" would be simpler, if he prefers kde |
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| 00:49.33 | abrotman | travisat: because .. i'm not as smart as guerin! |
| 00:49.53 | h4x0r3d | what is a mouse configuration utility to make the mouse work in x? |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | !drxx h4x0r3d |
| 00:50.11 | dpkg | h4x0r3d: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:50.29 | PlanarPlatypus | schlurchz, true but this way he now knows how to use aptitude which is a generally useful thing to know if you plan to run debian |
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| 00:51.02 | bg]knife | when i install debian on the laptop from the cd's, i owuld get the option of installing gui durring instalation right? |
| 00:51.08 | schlurchz | PlanarPlatypus: hmmm. I'm not sure if the first debian install is the right time to learn aptitude |
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| 00:51.46 | PlanarPlatypus | schlurchz, fair enough, I tend to find it easy enough to demonstrate that it doen't matter but ymmv |
| 00:51.55 | krepi | I can't get my ssh port forward to listen on another device than loopback, does anybody know the magic solution? |
| 00:51.59 | itp560 | is there is a way that I can install woody on a dell PE2850 with PERC RAID card |
| 00:52.37 | schlurchz | PlanarPlatypus: perhaps tasksel would be the best choice for a newbie, after all. |
| 00:53.20 | michal_d | I've been told that the DLink 580TX is a poor network adapter. Does anyone here have any first, second or even third hand experience with it? It seems to be the only available option that is KNOWN to work under Linux. |
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| 00:53.30 | schlurchz | PlanarPlatypus: I mean a _real_ newbie. |
| 00:53.35 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 00:53.40 | michal_d | apart from the intel which costs a ludicrous amount |
| 00:53.42 | Flimqy | michal_: Anything D-Link isn't the greatest at anything. |
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| 00:54.12 | Flimqy | michal_d: But for home use, D-Link is probably fine |
| 00:54.12 | PlanarPlatypus | schlurchz, again, ymmv, I have had no problems with aptitude and demonstrating it to non computer types |
| 00:54.16 | michal_d | flimqy: well at $255AUS + shipping it's the only semi-affordable option :( |
| 00:54.24 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: boot message "PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
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| 00:55.03 | Flimqy | michal_d: You're spending that on a NIC? |
| 00:55.31 | michal_d | Flimqy: i don't want to but it's the only option when you have 1 pci slot |
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| 00:56.32 | joloc_ | dondelelcaro: cat /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't say anything about mouse |
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| 00:57.13 | michal_d | i swear that some generic no-brand 4 port ethernet cards used to be available for under $70AUS but those have COMPLETELY disappeared. Not a sign of them anywhere. |
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| 00:57.40 | nevyn | why would you want generic 4port ethernet cards? |
| 00:58.12 | michal_d | nevyn: because it costs 1/4 of the price of a crap 4 port ethernet card? |
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| 00:58.24 | michal_d | so i'd rather pay 1/4 the price for crap |
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| 00:59.22 | Gloo | hi all. |
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| 01:00.07 | benjamindees | I don't know what the exchange rate is, but the soekris site has a 4 port board for $89 |
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| 01:01.17 | vincent | hey guys i'm trying to setup bind9, question about my reverse (in-addr.arpa) mappings. can i make a zone "168.192.in-addr.arpa" and put the records for 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x in that file (eg 1.2 IN PTR host.domain.local, 1.1 IN PTR host2.domain.local) ? |
| 01:01.57 | sussudio | !confuse vincent |
| 01:01.58 | dpkg | No, those is our ferret tomorrow, vincent? wellies of the republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 01:02.01 | michal_d | benjamindees: it would probably end up being around $200AUS if I were lucky |
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| 01:02.25 | akusarujin | could anyone recommend an iso for trying out sarge on an amd 64? |
| 01:02.27 | vincent | sussudio: wrong place to ask i know |
| 01:02.47 | Guerin | akusarujin: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:02.53 | sussudio | hmm wasn't there a #bind on here |
| 01:03.02 | Guerin | #dns |
| 01:03.03 | michal_d | benjamindees: do you know anything about that card though? I couldn't find any useful information on it |
| 01:03.16 | sussudio | ah. |
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| 01:03.41 | vincent | thx |
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| 01:03.53 | benjamindees | michal_d, I'm sure you could ask them, Linux is a big part of their business |
| 01:04.19 | michal_d | hmm.. this is interesting.. but it's a switch.. http://www.level1.com/products3.php?sklop=1&id=520055 |
| 01:05.19 | michal_d | this one also.. but it seemsto be a switch too.. though a managed one.. http://www.level1.com/products3.php?sklop=1&id=520056 |
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| 01:07.40 | kenboo | is Toronto, Canada in EST time zone |
| 01:07.47 | Sero | A friend told me I had to recompile my kernel with tun support, can anyone point me in the direction of doing that? |
| 01:07.51 | Guerin | !googlesmite kenboo |
| 01:08.06 | kenboo | alright |
| 01:08.08 | Eclipser | oerf |
| 01:08.11 | michal_d | anyone know if VLANs are inherently supported by linux supported ethernet devices? |
| 01:08.34 | Eclipser | I think I'll go to sleep and try to get my TV card working tomorrow :< |
| 01:08.43 | michal_d | seems it's a natsemi chipset on the soekris |
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| 01:09.12 | Eclipser | is there a reason for mythtv not being in debian? |
| 01:09.15 | yervas | hola |
| 01:09.19 | dondelelcaro | kenboo: and yes, it is. |
| 01:09.39 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: besides the fact that no one has packaged it? |
| 01:09.46 | kenboo | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
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| 01:10.21 | dondelelcaro | possibly that they don't do daylight savings time... but they were on the same time schedule the last time I was in Rochester, Ny |
| 01:10.40 | kenboo | i see. |
| 01:11.02 | itp560 | how can i select the e100 and mmraid2 modules in the woody instalation ?? |
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| 01:11.57 | itp560 | anyone who has done this before .. ? |
| 01:11.59 | benjamindees | itp560, somebody said the net install cds have updated kernels |
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| 01:12.40 | itp560 | benjamindees, how can i select the modules for scsi ?? |
| 01:12.47 | matman | Is /etc/modules evaluated before or after hotplug runs? |
| 01:12.58 | xam | matman: before |
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| 01:13.13 | benjamindees | itp560, *shrug* |
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| 01:13.52 | matman | xam: thanks |
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| 01:14.09 | itp560 | benjamindees, is there is a way i mention the module to load when booting form the cdrom ? |
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| 01:17.38 | sh0rt | itp560, your card isnt detected when you boot from it? |
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| 01:18.19 | itp560 | no this is SCSI and PERC raid card .. |
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| 01:20.07 | abrotman | itp560: you see no SCSI bios messages when you boot? |
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| 01:20.33 | abrotman | before debian boots i mean |
| 01:21.21 | itp560 | I'm not 100% sure ... |
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| 01:21.52 | abrotman | itp560: well .. be sure |
| 01:22.15 | itp560 | we can concider it is not .. But I know the Modules RAID card needs ,, I managed to install some other distro .. |
| 01:22.17 | Eclipser | I got my TV card video working but I'm not getting any sound :< |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | itp560: this is basically BIOS information i'm asking for .. reboot the machine .. and look |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | xLobeznox: turn that shit off |
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| 01:23.36 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 01:23.37 | sh0rt | itp560, any particular reason for using woody |
| 01:23.56 | dvshadow | hey, could someone describe why i want multiple partitions for more security? |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | dvshadow: say what? |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | oh . partitions :) |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | i htouhgt it said platforms :) |
| 01:24.41 | itp560 | this is going to be a server .. I thought woddy is good in security .. |
| 01:24.48 | itp560 | *woody .. |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | !dell |
| 01:25.03 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 01:25.07 | dvshadow | i read all over the install guides when they talk about partitioning they say stuff about multiple partitions making it more secure |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | itp560: check that url |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | itp560: do you even know which driver your card uses? |
| 01:25.25 | itp560 | abrotman, where should I check the message ,, |
| 01:25.25 | maher | dvshadow: so when /var fills up it doesn't fill up the whole hd |
| 01:25.43 | itp560 | mmraid2 . |
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| 01:25.50 | itp560 | megaraid 2 ,, |
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| 01:26.02 | abrotman | itp560: reboot .. it will say something like "PERC SCSI BIOS Scanning ..." or some crap ... "hit Ctrl-FJEFEFEFE to enter console" |
| 01:26.10 | dvshadow | ok |
| 01:26.23 | McLamb | \\ |
| 01:26.26 | dvshadow | maher: so what would i want to do? |
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| 01:26.31 | abrotman | maher: that's not security |
| 01:26.59 | mdadm | make bzImage actually compiles the kernel...this is too cool |
| 01:27.01 | maher | abrotman: avoiding dos - can't think of any other reason... |
| 01:27.10 | Guerin | !tell mdadm about kp |
| 01:27.13 | Guerin | !tell mdadm about kp mantra |
| 01:27.19 | abrotman | maher: you could mount /usr RO etc |
| 01:27.42 | itp560 | abrotman, I install some source based distro in it .. Will that solve your SCSI issue .. |
| 01:27.52 | dvshadow | im installing for the first time |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | itp560: you're missing what i'm asking . i'm not even talking about linux .. this is BIOS/POST stuff |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | maher: or /boot .. see what i mean? |
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| 01:28.46 | itp560 | abrotman, yes ,,,, This is fine ,, it scans for SCSI and |
| 01:28.54 | dvshadow | so what would i do when i get to the partitioning section of install |
| 01:28.56 | itp560 | ect .. |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | itp560: is this an external server? |
| 01:29.33 | maher | abrotman: you could - seems to give quite a minor benefit as far as i can see |
| 01:29.56 | itp560 | abrotman, what do you mean by external .. |
| 01:29.59 | Growly | alright now I'm pissed. |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | maher: hard to put a trojaned ps,etc in /usr when it's mounted ReadOnly |
| 01:30.06 | maher | dvshadow: don't msg me |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | itp560: outside your firewall ... internal vs external |
| 01:30.19 | xerophyte | all the sudden none of my mp3 files does not wanna play does anybody knwo why :) |
| 01:30.22 | dvshadow | sorry |
| 01:30.27 | itp560 | internal .. |
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| 01:30.30 | dvshadow | i shoulda asked |
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| 01:30.44 | maher | abrotman: /usr should be w by root only afaik |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | itp560: can you try sarge? |
| 01:31.13 | abrotman | maher: right .. but your machine has been hacked... i'm not sure that even if you are root if you can write to a RO volume |
| 01:31.24 | PerlTom | I seem to have a problem with my interfaces. If I ifdown any interfaces it never really goes away, it can still be pinged and such, running 2.6.8-2-686 kernel (latest testing) |
| 01:31.26 | itp560 | abrotman, how can I mention to use a perticular module when it is booting .. |
| 01:31.29 | maher | abrotman: you can remount it rw |
| 01:31.46 | FieldySnuts | @hump itp560 |
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| 01:31.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 01:32.02 | PerlTom | I am using ifconfig <ethX> down |
| 01:32.05 | itp560 | it is not detecting any SCSI RAID stuff .. |
| 01:32.06 | FieldySnuts | off it goes again, i guess |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | maher: you could .. a real hacker could .. not sure a remote worm could .. oh well |
| 01:32.35 | maher | dvshadow: just talk in the channel - other people will answer... |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | itp560: discover should figure it out |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | !d-i itp560 |
| 01:32.47 | dpkg | itp560, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | itp560: just try it ... just to see |
| 01:32.52 | dvshadow | ok |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | itp560: wait wait wait |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | itp560: when you start woody .. which install image are you using? |
| 01:33.05 | adobbie | how do I use input charsets available for Joliet through the iconv support of mkisofs? |
| 01:33.08 | ravenbird | Yes, fieldysnuts, you're still online. |
| 01:33.11 | XKpe | can anyone help me setting up a wireless network card? usr11g |
| 01:33.12 | dvshadow | its my first debian install |
| 01:33.15 | dvshadow | im used to linux |
| 01:33.23 | FieldySnuts | then you'll be fine |
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| 01:33.38 | brake | How to put a mysql detebas file to a web sqlserver? |
| 01:33.40 | itp560 | abrotman, bf24 |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | itp560: try vanilla |
| 01:33.46 | dvshadow | i ment unix |
| 01:33.52 | brake | How to put a mysql detebas file to a web sqlserver? |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 01:34.04 | FieldySnuts | we saw it the first time, please don't repeat |
| 01:34.09 | brake | How to put a mysql deatebase file to a web sqlserver? |
| 01:34.10 | xam | !comfort dvshadow |
| 01:34.11 | dpkg | There, there, dvshadow. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:34.12 | Flimzy | brake: You learn how to do web/SQL programming. |
| 01:34.15 | Flimzy | brake: STOP REPEATING |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | brake: you're in the wrong channel |
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| 01:34.19 | itp560 | abrotman, on the boot # |
| 01:34.22 | itp560 | ?? |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | itp560: yes |
| 01:34.24 | dvshadow | should i connect my eth wire to debian? |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | itp560: vanilla is full of scsi drivers |
| 01:34.31 | FieldySnuts | er? |
| 01:34.33 | dvshadow | haha |
| 01:34.35 | dvshadow | dpkg |
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| 01:34.38 | nextime | what's the "deatebase"? |
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| 01:34.42 | brake | join #mysql |
| 01:34.44 | eyeris | does either the maildrop or the courier-maildrop packages in sarge come with mysql support? |
| 01:34.53 | itp560 | abrotman, I will try and b back .... |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | nextime: never used one eh? |
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| 01:35.27 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.29 | xam | nextime: a database of death dates? |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | sisters of fate have one :) |
| 01:35.57 | PerlTom | anyone notice that if you do ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.100; ifconfig eth0:1 down; ping 192.168.1.100 ; that it will still work? |
| 01:36.12 | PerlTom | That would seem to be a fairly serious bug |
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| 01:36.23 | FieldySnuts | aliases are lame anyway, no big surprise |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | you never took eth0:1 up :) |
| 01:36.40 | PerlTom | sorry |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | not explicitly :) |
| 01:37.06 | floormade3 | i compiled the kernel using make-kpkg, and then do dpkg -i, the problem i am having is that after i am done installing the .deb image, i reboot my PC, but the LILO schoo screen doesn't change to a new entry i added in lilo.conf. what can i do to fix this? |
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| 01:37.12 | PerlTom | the point being that 2.6.8-2 whatever current in debian testing does not take down interfaces when you do ifconfig ethX down |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | floormade3: man lilo |
| 01:37.20 | PerlTom | the interface no longer shows up in ifconfig -a |
| 01:37.25 | PerlTom | but it is still pingable |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | PerlTom: then it's down |
| 01:37.28 | maher | floormade3: did you remember to rerun lilo |
| 01:37.29 | Henning | PerlTom: Yes. It does. |
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| 01:37.40 | xam | floormade3: I hope you also ran /sbin/lilo |
| 01:37.42 | nextime | a ghost ip address in the wild? |
| 01:37.43 | floormade3 | ye i did lilo several time, but nothing changes |
| 01:37.45 | Henning | PerlTom: But all interfaces will try to respond to every ip address on your machine or something along those lines. |
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| 01:37.51 | munkay | is there a list of apt repositories ? |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | floormade3: did you change your lilo.cinf ? |
| 01:37.56 | PerlTom | Have you tried it Henning? |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | munkay: apt-setup |
| 01:37.59 | floormade3 | yes i did |
| 01:37.59 | Henning | PerlTom: I've noticed the same, it's not specific to a certain kernel. |
| 01:38.08 | PerlTom | Its specific to debian, and its a bug |
| 01:38.11 | Henning | PerlTom: I've spoken to people trying with physical different interfaces |
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| 01:38.27 | floormade3 | i am thinking maybe i have done something wrong during the image installation, but i am not sure what. i think i answered to the questions correctly |
| 01:38.29 | PerlTom | strange then, that going to 2.6.9 fixes it |
| 01:38.31 | irreverentrevere | i was setting up software suspend, and now when i boot (even a non-suspendable kernel) the system hangs at "Stating system log daemon: syslogd" what do i do? |
| 01:38.33 | Henning | PerlTom: When the interface isn't connected at all, another interface will still respond. |
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| 01:38.45 | PerlTom | that's not how it is supposed to behave, if you think about it |
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| 01:38.51 | Henning | PerlTom: If you search the web a bit I'm sure you'll find some information about it. |
| 01:38.52 | munkay | abrotman, thx |
| 01:39.09 | PerlTom | Yes, I found that the web in general, states that the condition should not occur |
| 01:39.09 | Henning | PerlTom: Obviously it's supposed to behave this way, but logically one would think it shouldn't, I agree on that. |
| 01:39.10 | munkay | any idea when gnome 2.10 is going to hit unstable ? |
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| 01:39.21 | Henning | I don't like the behaviour much either. |
| 01:39.21 | PerlTom | Henning: only debian 2.6.8-2 behaves this way |
| 01:39.27 | Henning | Really? |
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| 01:39.31 | PerlTom | _Yes_ |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | munkay: no |
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| 01:39.39 | floormade3 | does it matter that i installed the boot infromation with MBR? |
| 01:39.40 | PerlTom | That is what I'm saying |
| 01:39.40 | Henning | With physical interfaces it was not specific to a kernel at least. |
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| 01:39.52 | kenboo | oh my kernel is 2.6.8-2...let me try that |
| 01:39.56 | Henning | Then it might be a bug as I've not actually tried with aliases. |
| 01:40.18 | lith | is anyone running sympa successfully? |
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| 01:40.22 | PerlTom | it works with eth1 eth2 eth3, or eth0:1 eth0:2 whatever :P |
| 01:40.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a pager war |
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| 01:40.33 | FieldySnuts | poor thing is lagged |
| 01:40.47 | PerlTom | s/it works/is broken/ |
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| 01:41.12 | kenboo | PerlTom, it stopped responding after ifconfig eth0:1 down |
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| 01:41.18 | kenboo | so what's the problem? |
| 01:41.20 | PerlTom | what kernel/distro? |
| 01:41.28 | kenboo | debian 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:41.31 | kenboo | sarge |
| 01:41.44 | Guerin | wow, my friends are getting married on a monday |
| 01:41.48 | munkay | is there anything special required to get gnome to automount usb hdd drive ? |
| 01:41.50 | Guerin | that has to be a bad omen |
| 01:42.14 | MajestiK | I'm trying to get a via82xx card working, but I can't seem to get it working, getting codec 0 not valid.. using 2.4.27 |
| 01:42.33 | kenboo | PerlTom, you are no assigning same IP to different nic (including alias), are you? |
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| 01:43.01 | itp560 | abrotman, woody disk with vanilla sucks .. |
| 01:43.08 | maher | PerlTom: paste ifconfig in #flood |
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| 01:43.28 | Flimzy | Where can I find a list of video drivers supported by XF 4? |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | itp560: no workie? |
| 01:44.06 | ravenbird | you all know that more hunts badgers with jless!@$ |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | !tell Cyanophytes about away |
| 01:44.44 | xam | Henning: well, I suppose it is a (small) bug then. try 'echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/arp_filter' and maybe also 'echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/rp_filter'. Perhaps this helps |
| 01:44.44 | itp560 | abrotman, no .. Hangs ... |
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| 01:44.58 | abrotman | itp560: then try the sarge installer |
| 01:45.08 | [-Pi-] | is tere a way to resize a partition without loss of data? |
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| 01:45.13 | eyeris | does either the maildrop or the courier-maildrop packages in sarge come with mysql support? |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | itp560: use the 110MB image |
| 01:45.19 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.24 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.26 | fusQuanto | omg kawfee |
| 01:45.26 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.27 | fusQuanto | lol |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | !ops _kawfeeattacks |
| 01:45.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _kawfeeattacks |
| 01:45.29 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.32 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.34 | maher | !ops _kawfeeattacks spam |
| 01:45.35 | _kawfeeattacks | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] |
| 01:45.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _kawfeeattacks spam |
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| 01:45.44 | PerlTom | See what I pasted in #flood? |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:45.53 | *** mode/#Debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 01:46.06 | fusQuanto | why is kawfee bitter |
| 01:46.12 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*kawfee@*] by caphuso |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | and with isn't kawfee@* banned? |
| 01:46.16 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 01:46.17 | abrotman | err why |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | yes .. like caphuso just did :) |
| 01:46.28 | xam | fusQuanto: I like my kaffee with sugar |
| 01:46.37 | maher | PerlTom: why wouldn't you expect eth7 to answer the ping? |
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| 01:46.43 | dvshadow | um |
| 01:46.48 | itp560 | abrotman, with vanilla .. |
| 01:46.49 | fusQuanto | kawfee dude went to school with me |
| 01:46.49 | fusQuanto | heh |
| 01:47.01 | caphuso | fusQuanto: go and beat him up |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | fusQuanto: so .. can you go beat him up? |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | itp560: use sarge installer! |
| 01:47.11 | PerlTom | It shouldn't answer because its NOT UP |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | !d-i itp560 |
| 01:47.14 | dpkg | itp560, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:47.16 | karsten | Gee, that's novel. |
| 01:47.36 | fusQuanto | caphuso, he USED to. i graduated and not there anyhmore |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | karsten: you were wondering about sussudio weren't you? :) |
| 01:47.52 | xam | PerlTom: well, as I said, it is a (small) bug. |
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| 01:47.58 | caphuso | fusQuanto: yeah, but still, you got better chances at finding his sorry ass than i have |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | abrotman: Well, I *know* about asg. |
| 01:48.15 | abrotman | i still can't figure out why he doesn't like any of us .. except that banning thing .. but what do i know |
| 01:48.17 | karsten | dpkg: sarge installer is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:48.17 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 01:48.20 | fusQuanto | caphuso, what did he do? he was a major major prick iirc |
| 01:48.23 | PerlTom | You obviously aren't thinking about what will happen with two interfaces on the same network with same ip |
| 01:48.25 | _kawfeeStillAtta | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE |
| 01:48.26 | *** mode/#Debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 01:48.26 | _kawfeeStillAtta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.27 | _kawfeeStillAtta | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE |
| 01:48.29 | *** kick/#debian [_kawfeeStillAtta!foobar@p5481B87F.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 01:48.29 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@202.162.57.17] by caphuso |
| 01:48.38 | dvshadow | oh for god sakes |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | *kawfee* ? |
| 01:48.41 | karsten | !beer caphuso |
| 01:48.49 | caphuso | fusQuanto: does that answer your question? |
| 01:48.52 | FieldySnuts | maudite rules |
| 01:48.57 | FieldySnuts | especially that label |
| 01:48.57 | fusQuanto | he's german |
| 01:48.57 | xam | !coffee caphuso |
| 01:49.02 | karsten | caphuso: Damn you're good. |
| 01:49.06 | fusQuanto | i know his name :) |
| 01:49.09 | eyeris | Is there any way to recompile the maildrop package in sarge to include mysql support? |
| 01:49.10 | caphuso | he's got another nick in this channel |
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| 01:49.25 | fusQuanto | o |
| 01:49.27 | fusQuanto | sup kawfee |
| 01:49.31 | fusQuanto | why you gotta be so mean |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | maybe fusQuanto is kawfee? |
| 01:49.39 | fusQuanto | he's a bully |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:49.46 | fusQuanto | lol |
| 01:49.50 | fusQuanto | we'll never know |
| 01:50.11 | itp560 | abrotman, is there way that you can select the modules when you are booting up ?? |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | itp560: nope .. not immediately .. |
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| 01:50.28 | abrotman | itp560: did you try the sarge installer yet? |
| 01:50.29 | xam | abrotman: interesting theory. Let's beat fusQuanto up, just in case ;) |
| 01:50.34 | karsten | itp560: Boot single. |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | !beat fusQuanto |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | done! |
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| 01:50.52 | fusQuanto | !beat abrotman |
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| 01:51.19 | struggler_ | does anyone know anything about booting raid 5 on a powerpc? |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:51.30 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:51.46 | mdadm | hi guys...i got debian to compile and everything is running...logged in as root... |
| 01:51.49 | xam | tststs |
| 01:51.50 | mdadm | woohoo! |
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| 01:51.56 | struggler_ | thanks |
| 01:52.01 | dondeIecaro | Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ [gnaa] Sussudio is a gay fucker and likes niggers [gnaa] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A GAY NIGGER? THEN THE GNAA MIGHT BE JUST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR! http://www.gnaa.us/ |
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| 01:52.02 | *** kick/#debian [dondeIecaro!foobar@p5481B87F.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 01:52.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@202.152.26.26] by caphuso |
| 01:52.16 | brake | i do anything with root! |
| 01:52.59 | mdadm | i plan on using the system as a server...but i wanna develop on it too...any window manager recommended? I like knoppixs windowmaneger virtual one that is :) |
| 01:53.00 | itp560 | abrotman, I tries it before .. |
| 01:53.03 | fusQuanto | i wanna know what the drama was with kawfee ;) |
| 01:53.15 | FieldySnuts | no you don't |
| 01:53.31 | mdadm | any recommendations on what to apt-get? |
| 01:53.40 | kenboo | ouch dondelecaro was kicked out |
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| 01:53.45 | itp560 | abrotman, no luck ... |
| 01:53.47 | karsten | caphuso: Try: 202.152.24.0/22, 202.152.0.0/19, 202.152.0.0/18 |
| 01:53.53 | karsten | caphuso: asn.routeviews.org' |
| 01:54.38 | kenboo | .... |
| 01:54.42 | karsten | dondelelcaro: 'I' |
| 01:54.47 | xam | ;) |
| 01:54.48 | FieldySnuts | can't ban by CIDR (that'd be nifty) |
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| 01:54.51 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: lucky you that i do too ;-) |
| 01:54.53 | mrhemlock | 1/l/I |
| 01:55.10 | itp560 | I think I will go with the easy to install distro .. |
| 01:55.10 | kenboo | so someone tried to impersonate ? |
| 01:55.17 | jdnewmil | problem : am using sarge, kernel-image-2.6.8-2 ... and a secondary sata drive... but /dev/sdaN are not in /dev when fsck runs... if I proceed and boot with my PATA drive only, I can access /dev/.static/dev/sda2 and then /dev/sdaN appear... anyone have suggestions for how I can get udev to setup this earlier in the boot process? |
| 01:55.19 | mrhemlock | nah you just did cut / paste |
| 01:55.31 | xam | caphuso: I would have used donde* ... just in case ;) |
| 01:55.34 | itp560 | abrotman, thats for your help ... |
| 01:55.38 | caphuso | hehe |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | itp560: or ask #debian-boot ? |
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| 01:55.58 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah... although it took me a second... "why the hell am I spamming about GNAA?" |
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| 01:56.18 | itp560 | abrotman, k ... thats I will try that as well.. |
| 01:56.22 | mrhemlock | what is gnaa ? |
| 01:56.27 | xam | caphuso: dondelelcaro could have removed the ban himself anyway ... |
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| 01:56.43 | caphuso | mrhemlock: www.gnaa.us, IIRC |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | mrhappymac: go find out |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | err |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | bah . whatever |
| 01:56.51 | xam | mrhemlock: good luck |
| 01:56.56 | karsten | caphuso: /msg OK on CDIRs used? |
| 01:57.19 | caphuso | karsten: i'm still trying to find out if and how i can use it |
| 01:57.23 | mrhemlock | dpkg doesn't know ? |
| 01:57.23 | dpkg | somebody said doesn't know was not at all |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | !gnaa |
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| 01:57.33 | abrotman | feel better? |
| 01:57.35 | sean_micken | hey |
| 01:57.50 | sean_micken | i was wondering... why doesn't debian have offical stable net-install CDs? |
| 01:57.54 | karsten | caphuso: Well, I'll give the info, you decide ;-) |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | sean_micken: because .. in 2002 .. broadband wasn't so widespread? |
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| 01:58.34 | xam | abotman: I come from ireland, what is broadband? |
| 01:59.14 | travisat | xam: dsl, cable, etc |
| 01:59.18 | caphuso | nice, now mrhemIock is /msg'ing me gnaa crap |
| 01:59.22 | Zeit|idle | or to much guinness |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | xam: i'm no bot |
| 01:59.38 | karsten | sean_micken: Because netinst is new to Sarge. |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | karsten: iirc .. there are unofficial woody netinst images |
| 01:59.56 | karsten | sean_micken: There's no need to use an official installer, FYI. And you've got lots of options. |
| 02:00.06 | karsten | abrotman: And debootstrap. And chroot install..... |
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| 02:00.20 | KalD|WORK | hi |
| 02:00.25 | xam | abrotman: I should beat you with that stick aswell |
| 02:00.27 | xam | ;) |
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| 02:00.35 | kenboo | uh i need to file tax return...Ireland reminded me of IRA then IRS... |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | karsten: i don't htink there was an unofficial debootstrap :) |
| 02:00.36 | karsten | sean_micken: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 02:00.47 | karsten | abrotman: htink? |
| 02:00.49 | KalD|WORK | got 3.1 installed - can't ping anything... when I shutdown iptables I can't ping localhost.... what might be my problem? |
| 02:01.01 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Lots of stuff. |
| 02:01.10 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Is networking up? What's ' |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | karsten: i don't remember one .. but i think when woody released .. an unofficial netinst was released at the same time |
| 02:01.20 | karsten | KalD|WORK: ...what's 'iptables -L' give you? Try flushing. |
| 02:01.49 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 02:02.05 | Eclipser | now I broke the video part of the TVcard driver too :) |
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| 02:02.39 | xam | travisat: can I have that tuna after you're finished beating me? haven't had dinner yet |
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| 02:03.22 | travisat | xam: um sure, it doesn't smell that bad yet |
| 02:04.00 | xam | travisat: anyway, should go to bed. Hopefully I don't have any nightmares after all this (gnaa etc.) |
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| 02:06.57 | abrotman | sussudio: don't cry .. i still love you :) |
| 02:08.25 | karsten | KalD|WORK: ?? |
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| 02:10.21 | karsten | !ops watch shek |
| 02:10.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: watch shek |
| 02:10.34 | shek | hello I am trying to compile my kernel source for the first time how do I boot into the new kernel? I mean do I have to copy a vmlinuz file into debian ? which file (where do I find it ) and where do I copy it to |
| 02:10.37 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.59 | caphuso | shek: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:11.02 | shek | karsten: what does that mean? watch shek? |
| 02:11.15 | karsten | shek: If you do it the debian way, you install your new kernel, bootloader is automatgickally configed. |
| 02:11.28 | karsten | shek: We've had bot problems. Your IP flagged. |
| 02:11.39 | shek | oh |
| 02:12.07 | shek | what is the debian way? I did a make menuconfig, make , make install , althought I did apt-get install kernel-source first |
| 02:12.08 | irreverentrevere | syslogd is hanging when i boot and throwing an error that i cant catch when i reboot. I know dmesg logs the text from the boot, anything log the text from a shutdown? additionally, how can i fix syslogd and stop it from hanging? |
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| 02:12.21 | dondelelcaro | shek: /msg dpkg kp; explains the debian way. |
| 02:12.23 | EvanWTFCarroll | dondelelcaro: hey hye hyehyeh |
| 02:12.25 | XID4rkDi3XvX | hola |
| 02:12.31 | EvanWTFCarroll | alright here is a question of practicality |
| 02:12.38 | XID4rkDi3XvX | mela |
| 02:12.41 | EvanWTFCarroll | how in gods name do i add a password to a user account in plain text |
| 02:12.46 | XID4rkDi3XvX | no |
| 02:12.48 | XID4rkDi3XvX | mier5da |
| 02:12.51 | XID4rkDi3XvX | mierda |
| 02:12.52 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: man adduser |
| 02:12.54 | Azar | !spanish |
| 02:12.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:12.55 | karsten | !es |
| 02:12.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:12.59 | XID4rkDi3XvX | ah ok |
| 02:13.02 | Flimzy | Does the SuperProbe program still exist? And if so, in what package? (or is there something better now days) |
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| 02:13.06 | EvanWTFCarroll | karsten: it doesn't take plain text passwords from stdin |
| 02:13.23 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Yes it does, it prompts you for them interactively |
| 02:13.32 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Do you want to do one-at-a-time or bulk loads? |
| 02:13.41 | EvanWTFCarroll | bulk loads! |
| 02:13.50 | EvanWTFCarroll | 509,039 from a text file |
| 02:13.54 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: sec. |
| 02:13.59 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Heh. |
| 02:14.03 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Hire typists ;-) |
| 02:14.05 | caphuso | EvanWTFCarroll: check out newusers |
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| 02:14.09 | EvanWTFCarroll | v. nice |
| 02:14.11 | dondelelcaro | EvanWTFCarroll: sounds like you really want to use ldap or something. However, with that many, you can just write a script that uses Expect and perl |
| 02:14.33 | brake | vice prisdent! |
| 02:14.36 | EvanWTFCarroll | I can use perl this is a question of coyness |
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| 02:14.44 | brake | what mean vice prisdent?? |
| 02:15.06 | dondelelcaro | brake: eh? this is #debian. We have nothing to do with presidents. |
| 02:15.07 | Azar | I am highly unhappy with the press criticizing Debian developers to hurry up the versions |
| 02:15.21 | EvanWTFCarroll | can't use perl |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | Azar: so write an article why you don't hurry a release |
| 02:15.37 | EvanWTFCarroll | must use a debian utility to add password not a perl module =[ |
| 02:15.45 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: newusers is what you want IIRC. I'd configured something like this recently, host not currently accessible. |
| 02:15.55 | dondelelcaro | EvanWTFCarroll: you don't need a perl module. You're using perl to control adduser. |
| 02:16.04 | travisat | Azar: well they are just half a year over |
| 02:16.08 | Azar | abrotman, I would rather glady vote on a poll, I am not handy with writing articles |
| 02:16.11 | Flimzy | Why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 write to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 02:16.12 | dondelelcaro | (or using adduser or something else) |
| 02:16.16 | irreverentrevere | what would cause starting syslogd to stall a booting system? |
| 02:16.22 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 02:16.33 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Remote logging? |
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| 02:16.46 | irreverentrevere | karsten, logs go to the same machine... |
| 02:16.49 | karsten | Flimzy: Read the top of the file. |
| 02:16.57 | Eclipser | I need to get fglrx working with 2.6.11.5 kernel... I heard/read that saa7134 works properly on 2.6.9+ kernels :) |
| 02:17.05 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Boot single-user. Still got the problem? |
| 02:17.15 | EvanWTFCarroll | dondelelcaro: Perl is not installed, this is a custom and borked install of debian, =[ its a question im at HLUG houston. |
| 02:17.23 | irreverentrevere | karsten what is the command to boot single user? |
| 02:17.25 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Do you need to just add username + password, or GECOS field as well? |
| 02:17.28 | vincent | where can i find a list of the major debian repositories ? |
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| 02:17.36 | caphuso | vincent: by running apt-setup |
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| 02:17.40 | Flimzy | karsten: top of what file? |
| 02:17.40 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Should be a boot option. Otherwise add 'single' to kernel line in LILO/GRUB at boot. |
| 02:17.54 | karsten | Flimzy: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 02:18.03 | EvanWTFCarroll | karsten: just username password, the essential of the excercise is to find a way to get around the fact that passwd does not take --stdin |
| 02:18.09 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 02:18.13 | dondelelcaro | EvanWTFCarroll: you can't have Debian installed without perl installed. |
| 02:18.19 | bhearsum | are there any 2.6 kernels in sarge that have himem suport? |
| 02:18.26 | EvanWTFCarroll | dondelelcaro: its a theoretical excercise =[ dodgeing the question |
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| 02:18.33 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: newusers. I had to do that one time to fix ~80ish accounts. Not as many as you've got ;-) |
| 02:18.41 | p88 | hi all |
| 02:18.46 | EvanWTFCarroll | karsten: the number too is fictional |
| 02:18.49 | Azar | Filmzy do: less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that would open the file so you can read it |
| 02:18.52 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: Ah. |
| 02:18.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell Flimzy about xmd5 |
| 02:18.57 | p88 | I am installing debian using floppies |
| 02:19.00 | EvanWTFCarroll | karsten: Awesome debian lives. THANKS! |
| 02:19.07 | karsten | EvanWTFCarroll: ;-) |
| 02:19.08 | Flimzy | karsten: How can I look at a file that doesn't exist? |
| 02:19.13 | EvanWTFCarroll | karsten: i tried, apropos it hated me, see you later |
| 02:19.21 | karsten | Flimzy: *Very* carefully. |
| 02:19.27 | Azar | oh oh, Filmzy did not got/installed it |
| 02:19.34 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: use --force-confmiss then |
| 02:19.35 | irreverentrevere | karsten it didnt stall, but syslogd was not listed as being started, either... |
| 02:19.41 | karsten | Flimzy: /msg? |
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| 02:19.54 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 02:19.54 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 02:20.17 | Flimzy | Azar: I don't want to freaking read it. I want to create it. |
| 02:20.18 | karsten | Flimzy: See /msg. |
| 02:20.35 | p88 | And it stops for me at USB Mass storage. It says I have to insert the root floppy or a usb device but when I do insert the root floppy it doesn't even look at it and just says it can't read it. Is there a solution or workaround for this? I was thinking of ignoring but when I tried out all the commands I get when typing |
| 02:20.38 | Azar | Filmzy, my bad I misunderstood you |
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| 02:20.49 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: The file doesn't even exist. There's _no risk_ in debconf overwriting it. |
| 02:21.04 | p88 | "help", and nothing helped I got quite desperate. |
| 02:21.06 | karsten | p88: Did you hit <return> or <enter> after installing? |
| 02:21.18 | p88 | I hit return when it asked |
| 02:21.21 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro, okay, thanks |
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| 02:21.37 | karsten | Flimzy: The file doesn't have to exist for it to be blocked, just the md5sum /backup. |
| 02:21.38 | p88 | but it says it can't see the floppy as I said it doesn't even look at it |
| 02:22.07 | karsten | p88: <alt><F2> <enter> dmesg |
| 02:22.22 | karsten | p88: Should give you a second console. Got the box up and running now? |
| 02:22.27 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Where am I to use this --force-confmis option? dpkg-reconfigure doesn't like it |
| 02:22.32 | p88 | no it is the box I am sitting on |
| 02:22.35 | irreverentrevere | karsten sorry... when i boot into single user, and hit cnrl-D and syslogd starts, it hangs, still |
| 02:22.42 | p88 | this is windows 98 at a friend's |
| 02:22.49 | Azar | as I recall, the Debian installation does not come with XF86Config-4 |
| 02:23.00 | karsten | irreverentrevere: At boot prompt, kernel line: init=/bin/bash |
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| 02:23.17 | karsten | irreverentrevere: ...you're now booting to bash only. You can walk through stuff manually. |
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| 02:23.28 | irreverentrevere | karsten ah, ok |
| 02:23.35 | p88 | karsten: should I try what you suggested, opening the second console? |
| 02:23.37 | karsten | p88: If you can possible arrange to have two boxes, you're going to do a lot better. |
| 02:23.43 | karsten | p88: One minute. |
| 02:23.46 | karsten | irreverentrevere: |
| 02:23.49 | p88 | it is impossible now |
| 02:24.00 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Have you booted to bash before? |
| 02:24.11 | p88 | unfortunately... this is at a friend |
| 02:24.12 | Flimzy | karsten: Well I can't create a new md5sum of a file that doesn't exist |
| 02:24.26 | p88 | and it is 3:27 at night |
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| 02:24.43 | karsten | Flimzy: Just make sure there's no MD5sum where the pasted stuff said. OK. |
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| 02:25.32 | irreverentrevere | karsten i edited the boot line in grub to include init=/bin/bash, and i am still gettting stuck... syslogd is trying to start... |
| 02:25.59 | karsten | irreverentrevere: http://www.webpronews.com/it/operatingsystems/wpn-22-20040209LostRootPasswordLinux.html |
| 02:26.14 | Flimzy | karsten: okay, I can do that. thanks |
| 02:26.17 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Um. It really *shouldn't*. You're bypassing all startup configs. What bootloader? |
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| 02:26.41 | vegeta | i'm using java and it can't print accented letters |
| 02:26.46 | vegeta | is there a solution |
| 02:26.47 | vegeta | ? |
| 02:26.50 | karsten | irreverentrevere: See the above reference. It's for fixing a root passwd, but it applies to what you're doing. |
| 02:26.54 | karsten | !tell vegeta about enter |
| 02:26.58 | irreverentrevere | karsten grub.... i added teh init after the line that contained boot on it... was that the correct location? |
| 02:27.05 | karsten | !tell vegeta about smart questions. |
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| 02:27.43 | karsten | irreverentrevere: In grub: 'e' to edit. Navigate to the kernel line. 'e' to edit again (I think). Edit the line. Hit <enter>. 'b' to boot. Should prompt you through all that. |
| 02:27.58 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Read the screen prompts. |
| 02:28.15 | irreverentrevere | karsten ah, i put it on the wrong line.... let me try again |
| 02:28.21 | karsten | irreverentrevere: When booting, you're going to run your kernel, mount your root FS read-only, and run bash. That's *it*. *NO* services will start. |
| 02:28.30 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Yeah, getting it right helps ;-) |
| 02:28.45 | karsten | p88: Why are you doing a floppy install? |
| 02:29.04 | p88 | karsten: because the burned cd is not working |
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| 02:29.14 | irreverentrevere | it is loaded.... now what karsten? |
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| 02:29.23 | p88 | I brought him one but his cd player is too dumb |
| 02:29.29 | karsten | p88: If you can boot a CD, I'd recommend that. If not, READ THE INSTALLATION MANUAL. Note that you can get a console at <alt><f2>, though it's pretty menimal. |
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| 02:30.03 | karsten | p88: Old CD players won't read some newer CDs. If it's Win98, that could be it. |
| 02:30.14 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Read what I posted. |
| 02:30.16 | p88 | I did read the manual but it doesn't say anything about bypassing usb detection |
| 02:30.28 | irreverentrevere | karsten reading the link now.... |
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| 02:30.43 | p88 | karsten: it is very well possible and also probable that this cd player is too old for it |
| 02:31.01 | karsten | p88: Um. Should be a list of kernel params which can be passed as to what to probe/not probe. Not sure USB is on there. You might want to join #debian-boot for installer discussions. |
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| 02:31.26 | karsten | p88: An easy fix is to temporarially install a CDR from a newer system. You can take it back after-the fact. |
| 02:31.27 | vincent | hrm why isn't bitchx showing up in apt-cache search, my source is rutgers deb http://debian.rutgers.edu testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:31.38 | karsten | p88: ...and buying a new drive ($20-$40) is highly recommended. |
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| 02:31.57 | vegeta | ok, I already checked dpkg and smart questions. I installed java and it doesn't print accented characters.is here a solution? |
| 02:32.04 | Azar | vincent, maybe bitchx is not a debian package? |
| 02:32.04 | irreverentrevere | karsten i have it booted with the init=/bin/bash trick, but i dont see in that article how to fix the syslogd error... |
| 02:32.22 | p88 | karsten: That sounds nice I will join the channel after reading about kernel params. I am not in the position to do any of the last two things as I have to get this done before the morning i.e. within 6 hours |
| 02:32.32 | p88 | and it is 3:36am |
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| 02:32.47 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Right. First mount root FS read-write. Then 'mount -a' |
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| 02:32.57 | karsten | p88: When you're awake. |
| 02:32.59 | vincent | Azar: i'm a bit stoned, but i would bet most of my savings i've installed it with apt before |
| 02:33.19 | vincent | check for me =D |
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| 02:33.21 | karsten | !tell vincent about search |
| 02:33.25 | Azar | vincent, you could use apt to install it, but that does not mean it should be listed on debian packages |
| 02:33.33 | karsten | !tell vincent about pdo |
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| 02:34.03 | vincent | nice thx |
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| 02:34.20 | Azar | but again, it might be... would not know, never used bitchx |
| 02:34.30 | vegeta | has anybody solved the java accent problem? |
| 02:35.00 | p88 | karsten: I just read the following: |
| 02:35.01 | p88 | debian-installer/probe/usb |
| 02:35.07 | p88 | Set to false to prevent probing for USB on boot, if that causes problems. |
| 02:35.27 | karsten | p88: Sounds promising. |
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| 02:35.30 | p88 | karsten: Do you know where to set that option? |
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| 02:35.51 | karsten | p88: You're the one reading the manual. Look for something about setting options. |
| 02:35.52 | hdo781 | Does anyone know the command that shows when a file was created? |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | man ls? |
| 02:36.10 | sh0rt | p88, boot expert mode i think |
| 02:36.10 | p88 | I did there is nothing there. I am looking for another one |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | hdo781 ls -l |
| 02:36.16 | vegeta | Azar: 1.4.2_07 |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | Azar: that's mod time |
| 02:36.21 | p88 | sh0rt: How do I get into that? |
| 02:36.23 | irreverentrevere | karsten ok, all set now what? |
| 02:36.28 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Sec. |
| 02:36.32 | irreverentrevere | OK |
| 02:36.37 | Azar | oh oh indeed abrotman, thank youfor the correction |
| 02:36.41 | vincent | k i checked packages.debian.org and bitchx is there, why wouldn't apt-cache have it (i've run apt-get update) |
| 02:36.43 | sh0rt | at boot prompt push f3 OR WHATEVER IT SAYS |
| 02:36.48 | hdo781 | ls -l worked. Thanks Azar |
| 02:36.53 | p88 | okay let me try |
| 02:36.57 | Azar | vegeta, I was curious I never did java in linux |
| 02:37.03 | sh0rt | sorry hit caps lock |
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| 02:37.21 | p88 | karsten: sounds promising indeed. If it works and I see you again sometime I will tell you |
| 02:37.25 | Azar | hi simonrvn :) |
| 02:37.42 | karsten | irreverentrevere: cd /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 02:38.06 | Azar | ... I am still curious what vegeta meant.. |
| 02:38.09 | karsten | irreverentrevere: The scripts starting 'S<nn>' are started at startup. Try running 'em manually, one-at-a-time. |
| 02:38.12 | KalD|WORK | how do you enable icmp in debian? |
| 02:38.18 | karsten | irreverentrevere: See if any of 'em generate errors. |
| 02:38.24 | irreverentrevere | karsten ok, will do |
| 02:38.33 | KalD|WORK | echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_??? |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: is that your or sussudio that does the stats? |
| 02:39.03 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Prolly 'forward' |
| 02:39.14 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Um. Wups. |
| 02:39.19 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Should work out of the box. |
| 02:39.37 | Azar | karsten, icmp as in mail ? |
| 02:39.38 | karsten | KalD|WORK: Unless you're blocking it for some reason. What can't you ping? Your own host or remote? |
| 02:39.39 | sussudio | abrotman: what |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | sussudio: the stats |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | sussudio: why are some pink and some blue? |
| 02:40.05 | sussudio | abrotman: for the most obvious reason. |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | sussudio: someone asked me before .. and i have no idea why :) |
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| 02:40.20 | karsten | Azar: ICMP as in Internet Controll Message Protocol. 'ping', etc. |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | sussudio: there's only one pink one |
| 02:40.30 | sussudio | abrotman: where do people use pink and blue? |
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| 02:40.45 | abrotman | sussudio: yes .. ok . i get it .. but isn't there more than one pink one? |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | err shouldn't there be? |
| 02:40.59 | sussudio | abrotman: not that i have configured. |
| 02:41.01 | Azar | thanks,karsten :) |
| 02:41.03 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 02:41.22 | abrotman | sussudio: oh .. gotcha |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | sussudio: how would one get a link/color .. just ask you? |
| 02:41.46 | karsten | KalD|WORK: ICMP works _unless_ specifically blocked. Mind it can be blocked locally (iptables/ipchains/ipfw) or remotely (external firewall dropping/blocking requests). |
| 02:41.49 | sussudio | abrotman: sex= |
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| 02:41.55 | abrotman | sussudio: huh? |
| 02:42.11 | karsten | abrotman: Apparently for sussudio, sex=<nul> |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | hey .. i'm asking! ... |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | @sex=m |
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| 02:42.33 | abrotman | that doesn't do much :) |
| 02:42.37 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | right .. obviously i'm confused |
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| 02:43.16 | sussudio | having goatse on endless reload has rotted karsten's brain |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | sussudio: sex=? |
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| 02:44.20 | paxmaster | how can i make a user stay in this $HOME dir |
| 02:44.20 | sussudio | abrotman: pisg.cfg |
| 02:44.34 | mrhemlock | <<< gnn is phunny |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | sussudio: i don't have that file |
| 02:44.51 | distempr | Wtf is with the slashdot article... "userlinux + ubuntu = > Debian" fuckers... |
| 02:44.55 | abrotman | paxmaster: chroot/jail |
| 02:45.00 | irreverentrevere | karsten good news (kinda....) i got an error after running "./S35mountall.sh" the errors were: "Cleaning /tmp /var/runfind: ./syslogd.pid: Input/output error" and: "find: ./crond.reboot: Input/output error" |
| 02:45.03 | sussudio | distempr: they're called cluebies |
| 02:45.03 | paxmaster | that means that he or she can't dir |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | sussudio: i'm still confused :) |
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| 02:45.22 | distempr | sussudio: cluebies? |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | morons |
| 02:45.36 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Are the devices mounted? Does 'dmesg' indicate any errors? Sounds like possible disk issues. |
| 02:45.44 | paxmaster | what chroot is or jail suppose to do |
| 02:46.16 | sussudio | !cluebie |
| 02:46.16 | dpkg | [cluebie] a person who doesn't think he needs to be educated, one who knows not and knows not that he knows not |
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| 02:46.36 | Kero_1116 | anyone know how to start a service? |
| 02:46.40 | distempr | abrotman: yeh... seems this sarge issue is giving the debian community a black-eye... man that's frustrating. |
| 02:46.58 | marlena | hi, i know it's OT, but ill give it a try: has anyone successfully installed quake3arena on his debian machine? |
| 02:47.08 | distempr | marlena: yep. |
| 02:47.12 | sh0rt | Kero_1116, /etc/init.d/service start |
| 02:47.25 | Azar | distempr like I said and feel: debian developers should not be pushed to rush up the versions |
| 02:47.39 | irreverentrevere | karsten no errors in dmesg, and i ran mount -a earlier both after the initial boot and after running the udev script... |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | Azar: no .. but i wish they would freeze some more sections :) |
| 02:48.02 | marlena | distempr: my sound doesnt work in quake3 and enemy territory, in unreal and tactical ops sound works. all other apps work with sound aswell; except q3a and enemy terr. any ideas what to do? |
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| 02:48.32 | caphuso | marlena: google for "quake alsa" or something like that |
| 02:48.36 | distempr | Azar: it's tough, seems that everything is a moving target, freezes as abrotman put it would probably work better, but I don't want to open a can of worms. |
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| 02:48.40 | Azar | :) abrotman the fame and pride of Debian lays on its good quality, rushing developers , will not render nothing else than yet anoter "average" linux distro |
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| 02:48.54 | distempr | marlena: are you using alsa? |
| 02:49.04 | marlena | distempr: no |
| 02:49.12 | iiiclaw | . |
| 02:49.12 | marinos | marlena you probably need oss emulation for alsa |
| 02:49.15 | Azar | Woody does ok and even going up sid by going "unstable" is very OK |
| 02:49.19 | chealer | marlena: do you use KDE? |
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| 02:49.26 | distempr | marlena: I can't help, I haven't used oss is ages. |
| 02:49.31 | karsten | irreverentrevere: OK. Keep going then. |
| 02:49.32 | marlena | chealer: no, xfce or fluxbox |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | Azar: when you freeze a section .. you say .. We're freezing the base of X .. that means .. nothing but bug fixes etc .. |
| 02:49.58 | marlena | marinos: how can i set OSS em. up? |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | Azar: make sense? |
| 02:50.16 | Azar | abrotman, oh I see... |
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| 02:50.38 | marinos | marlena: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:50.40 | claw | . |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | Azar: sound good? |
| 02:51.05 | Azar | abrotman, I am not sure, exactly, I cannot see the "picture" of your statement |
| 02:51.17 | marinos | marlena: the snd_pcm_oss is the oss emulation module |
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| 02:51.47 | Azar | abrotman, you ment Woody is frozen? |
| 02:51.58 | hdo781 | What's the difference between apt-get --purge remove and apt-get remove? |
| 02:52.01 | distempr | marinos: marlena isn't using alsa. |
| 02:52.03 | marlena | marinos: will that be my solution: http://www.alsa-project.org/~iwai/OSS-Emulation.html ? |
| 02:52.28 | Azar | hdo781, purge means scrub-cleaning, remove is just put it aside |
| 02:52.28 | indes | I really wish I could get direct rendering working with my ATI card.. I've rebuilt x.org from source sooooooooo many times, the drm and mesa from source, the deb packs, arggh |
| 02:52.29 | distempr | hdo781: --purge will remove _all_ related files, including configuration files. |
| 02:52.30 | marinos | marlena: if you are suing alsa probably yes |
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| 02:52.40 | marlena | marinos: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss gives no output |
| 02:52.56 | hdo781 | Azar: put it aside? To wher? |
| 02:53.06 | marlena | marinos: done modprobe snd_pcm_oss. is that ok? |
| 02:53.07 | Flimzy | I'm trying to set up a dual-head X server with an nvidia GeForce 4, and a Trident TGUI9680. I've set up XF86Config-4 to what I think would work... when I run startx, the nvidia display goes blank. (the other one was already blank) What might I be doing wrong? |
| 02:53.12 | marinos | marlena: what kernel do you have ? |
| 02:53.25 | marlena | marinos: 2.6.8 |
| 02:53.34 | Azar | hdo781, remove delets it but leaves behind associated files of the removed one |
| 02:53.38 | marinos | then the modules should be there |
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| 02:53.53 | p88 | hi again |
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| 02:54.11 | hdo781 | Which one should I use to uninstall packages? |
| 02:54.11 | marinos | marlena: try modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:54.13 | p88 | karsten: if you are still there, it does not work. Nothing works |
| 02:54.15 | Azar | hdo781 so say some files are sharing components with other programs/files |
| 02:54.18 | kaplanfx | whats the command that lists what processes are using which devices? |
| 02:54.31 | marlena | marinos: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss : snd_pcm_oss 48168 0 || snd_pcm 85384 1 snd_pcm_oss || snd_mixer_oss 16640 1 snd_pcm_oss || snd 50660 4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss |
| 02:54.36 | Azar | you can move the file you want with remove but leave the components that other programs might need use |
| 02:54.37 | marlena | marinos: better? |
| 02:54.46 | p88 | I tried to boot expert mode and I tried the usb probe = false mode. Nothing helps |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | !fry karsten |
| 02:54.51 | marinos | yoou |
| 02:55.02 | marinos | try it out now |
| 02:55.07 | iiiclaw | ok, i got a real dumb question... I just got sarge up and running, and i need to know how to log out from kde or gnome or even better from that inital loggin screen, so that they shut down and let me use the bash shell |
| 02:55.33 | marlena | marinos: ok, brb. thanks so far |
| 02:55.34 | irreverentrevere | karsten, that had to have been the thing that caused it, as nothing else threw an error |
| 02:55.34 | marinos | brb too |
| 02:55.47 | marlena | marinos: same problem |
| 02:55.57 | marinos | hmm |
| 02:56.04 | hdo781 | Which one should I use to uninstall packages? apt-get --purge remove or apt-get remove? |
| 02:56.05 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Possible. Now try the same in /etc/rc1.d |
| 02:56.20 | irreverentrevere | ok, will do |
| 02:56.23 | Azar | hdo781 Id say the safest is just "remove" |
| 02:56.25 | marinos | dont know perhaps there is some other device running and grabbing the sound device |
| 02:56.34 | p88 | karsten: it is also too early to call the second tty as it is still in the kernel boot |
| 02:56.39 | karsten | irreverentrevere: ...and /etc/rc2.d/, which is your default runlevel. |
| 02:56.48 | karsten | p88: Sec. What? |
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| 02:56.52 | marinos | you cant have more than one application running on one sound device |
| 02:57.03 | p88 | karsten: Short: nothing works |
| 02:57.13 | marinos | perhaps you have a sound mixer like arts or esd |
| 02:57.15 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 02:57.30 | karsten | !tell p88 about doesn't work. |
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| 02:57.34 | p88 | karsten: longer: I tried to boot expert mode and I tried the usb probe = false mode. Nothing helps |
| 02:57.39 | iiiclaw | I know i can press alt-tab-f1 f2 etc... but that seems to leave kde and gnome on so that when i type startx they no longer start up |
| 02:57.48 | karsten | p88: What happens at boot? Do you get any response? |
| 02:58.03 | p88 | karsten: longer: I tried to boot expert mode and I tried the usb probe = false mode. Nothing helps |
| 02:58.14 | p88 | I do get responses... the ones I told you before |
| 02:58.32 | p88 | oh sorry... |
| 02:58.35 | p88 | I didn |
| 02:58.45 | p88 | 't want to |
| 02:58.47 | karsten | p88: Does the kernel load? |
| 02:58.51 | p88 | yes |
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| 02:59.03 | karsten | p88: How far does it get? |
| 02:59.11 | p88 | until the usb mass storage |
| 02:59.40 | p88 | it then wants me to insert the "root" diskette and I do it but it doesn't read |
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| 03:01.25 | karsten | p88: Which floppies? |
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| 03:01.35 | karsten | p88: Where'd you get them? URL please. |
| 03:01.43 | p88 | karsten: I have all the floppies from debian.org |
| 03:01.46 | p88 | let me see |
| 03:01.50 | irreverentrevere | karsten ./K90syslogd start gave this :"Starting system lod daemon:sylogd" and it is stalling |
| 03:01.55 | karsten | p88: domain != URL. |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | karsten: i ahve all the floppies from my pants |
| 03:02.05 | karsten | irreverentrevere: <ctrl><c> |
| 03:02.12 | p88 | karsten: I am looking |
| 03:02.14 | irreverentrevere | Nothing |
| 03:02.20 | karsten | abrotman: I *know* you've got a floppy in your pants. |
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| 03:02.22 | karsten | !cialis abrotman |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | karsten: you did it wrong |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | !c1allis abrotman |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | or so my spam tells me |
| 03:02.51 | karsten | irreverentrevere: <ctrl>-Z |
| 03:02.59 | sussudio | abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/big_karsten.jpg |
| 03:03.02 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah, yeah,... |
| 03:03.22 | irreverentrevere | karsten even control c does nothing. if it goes like before it will hang for 5 minutes or so and continure.. gonna try contrl z |
| 03:03.36 | irreverentrevere | karsten control-z did nothing |
| 03:03.37 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Right. |
| 03:03.47 | sussudio | irreverentrevere: neither do the goggles |
| 03:03.53 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Enjoy your timeout interval. |
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| 03:04.04 | irreverentrevere | sussudio ;-) |
| 03:04.09 | irreverentrevere | karsten i shall. |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | sussudio: heh |
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| 03:04.34 | abrotman | sussudio: can you draw in some vomit? :) |
| 03:04.38 | p88 | karsten: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 03:04.43 | sussudio | abrotman: no |
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| 03:04.55 | karsten | p88: Thanks. |
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| 03:05.44 | p88 | karsten: should I try to put the initrd and boot.img.gz and everything on a usb device? |
| 03:05.59 | karsten | p88: Wait. |
| 03:06.06 | p88 | Okay |
| 03:06.09 | karsten | p88: Suggest you /join #debian-boot |
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| 03:06.34 | karsten | p88: ...particularly considering the people who wrote the installer are there. |
| 03:06.34 | erirlar | what do i type to test my glx again |
| 03:06.40 | p88 | I did join it and I did ask my question there |
| 03:06.51 | irreverentrevere | karsten i will take this opportunity to do 2 quick things, in order of importance... 1) thanks for all your help on this issue, and 2) take a run to the bathroom |
| 03:07.07 | Flimzy | Is there a program that can probe video hardware? |
| 03:07.12 | Flimzy | to aide in X configuration? |
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| 03:07.18 | sussudio | !tell zigong about away |
| 03:07.36 | karsten | irreverentrevere: NP. |
| 03:07.45 | karsten | irreverentrevere: I've got to make a grocery run RSN. |
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| 03:08.32 | p88 | karsten: I would really like debian to work as freebsd is too complicated for my friend |
| 03:08.38 | jim | is there a debian package for a module that ties a hash to a hashfile like a bdbm or something? |
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| 03:08.51 | fusQuanto | is there a java plugin for firefox .deb? |
| 03:08.57 | p88 | :-/ |
| 03:08.58 | Flimzy | p88: if FreeBSD is too complicated, what makes you think Debian will be any better? |
| 03:09.01 | travisat | fusQuanto: you have to install java |
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| 03:09.33 | p88 | Flimzy: Debian installation is not so easy but when it works it is easy |
| 03:09.35 | matman | Does NFS in Linux by default use compression? |
| 03:09.41 | p88 | Flimzy: also remote administration is easier on debian |
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| 03:09.44 | jim | how is debian use different from freebsd use? |
| 03:09.46 | Flimzy | matman: no |
| 03:09.49 | fusQuanto | travisat, manually/ |
| 03:09.50 | fusQuanto | ? |
| 03:10.04 | travisat | !java |
| 03:10.04 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 03:10.08 | Flimzy | matman: compressed network filesystem is probably a Very Bad Idea for almost every use |
| 03:10.56 | travisat | fusQuanto: after install you have to ln -s the plugin provided in the installion to the plugin directory for firefox |
| 03:11.04 | abrotman | jim: say what? |
| 03:11.09 | jim | is there a debian package for a module that ties a hash to a hashfile like a bdbm or something? |
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| 03:11.47 | jim | err, sorry. s/module/perl module/ |
| 03:11.53 | karsten | p88: For easy-to-work I'd recommend Ubuntu. Mind I like Debian a lot. |
| 03:11.58 | fusQuanto | travisat, ok so im manually getting java, correct |
| 03:12.24 | travisat | fusQuanto: correct, but follow the /msg dpkg java install for good instructions |
| 03:12.29 | jim | I'll redo that: |
| 03:12.37 | fusQuanto | thx |
| 03:12.42 | p88 | karsten: I also like debian a lot and I really would like people to see debian and use debian for it to become more widely used |
| 03:13.01 | jim | is there a debian package for a perl module that allows a perl script to tie a hash to a hashfile like a bdbm or something? |
| 03:13.19 | matman | Flimzy: thanks. I was just getting conflicting numbers from iptraf. ethstats seems more accurate. |
| 03:13.22 | p88 | karsten: I will be remote-administering the box so if something goes wrong I can fix it |
| 03:13.50 | p88 | but still I am with the usb trouble |
| 03:13.55 | travisat | fusQuanto: err install java |
| 03:13.55 | fusQuanto | travisat, im in sid, seems like alotta work :) |
| 03:14.03 | fusQuanto | ill use my winbox :) |
| 03:14.05 | travisat | fusQuanto: not if you use java-package |
| 03:14.17 | travisat | but its should be easier |
| 03:14.31 | fusQuanto | im just trying to run some speed tests on dslreports, my rr is like 5kbps right now :( |
| 03:14.34 | karsten | p88: Ubuntu allows same. Call it a wash. |
| 03:14.39 | Flimzy | Hrm |
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| 03:15.15 | Flimzy | X keeps displaying garbled crap on the screen with a TGUI9680 video card... Is it possible that this is the result of having two vid cards (the AGP card is inactive at the moment), and things are getting confused? |
| 03:15.19 | vincent | hrm, can anyone think of a way to transfer a file to a machine that has a deleted /bin/ssh |
| 03:15.23 | p88 | karsten: Again, I have to get this done before 9:30 in the morning with it being 4:18am |
| 03:15.35 | vincent | and no apt functionality |
| 03:15.36 | travisat | vincent: install a ftp server on it |
| 03:15.50 | Flimzy | it happens at any resolution/color depth |
| 03:15.51 | travisat | vincent: oh, well um |
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| 03:15.56 | Obvious | if i have old new libs installed, do i need to keep the old ones? ie, libgtk1.2 _and_ libgtk2.0? can i remove 1.2? |
| 03:15.59 | Flimzy | so I don't think it's due to running the monitor out of spec |
| 03:15.59 | vincent | yea.. |
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| 03:16.22 | jim | Obvious: usually dpkg will remove old stuff for you |
| 03:16.46 | travisat | Obvious: gtk1.2 and gtk2 are completely different |
| 03:16.54 | jim | vincent: floppy? |
| 03:17.03 | travisat | Obvious: totally different, keep both |
| 03:17.07 | Obvious | jim, it didnt. i just d/led synaptic, and there are tons of doubles like this |
| 03:17.21 | vincent | heh yea, it's remote though |
| 03:17.30 | Obvious | hmm, ok, travisat |
| 03:17.31 | vincent | i can ssh in though so sshd is running |
| 03:17.39 | jim | vincent: scp |
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| 03:17.58 | jim | or sftp |
| 03:18.05 | karsten | p88: Right. Sec. |
| 03:18.20 | karsten | p88: What kind of laptop? |
| 03:18.22 | vincent | they both use ssh |
| 03:18.24 | Obvious | what about gcc3.2 and gcc3.3? isnt that redundant? |
| 03:18.29 | irreverentrevere | ok karsten, i think we found the source of the error, now what? |
| 03:18.33 | travisat | Obvious: those are both different to |
| 03:18.44 | p88 | karsten: This is no laptop it is a pII 400MHz tower |
| 03:18.58 | jim | vincent: use scp or sftp |
| 03:19.07 | Obvious | travisat: different in what way? |
| 03:19.11 | karsten | p88: OK. *NO* response when attempting to read from floppy? |
| 03:19.21 | karsten | p88: Have you tested the disk itself or tried another disk? |
| 03:19.38 | p88 | I did. Maybe it doesn |
| 03:19.40 | vincent | jim: both require ssh, they fail without it |
| 03:19.44 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 03:19.51 | p88 | 't work because it is a LS-120 device |
| 03:19.53 | jim | YOU JUST SAID you are in using ssh!! |
| 03:19.55 | karsten | p88: Long shot, but try as boot parameter: floppy=thinkpad. May be an issue here. |
| 03:19.55 | michal_d | does anyone know when archive.debian.org will be back online? |
| 03:19.57 | Flimzy | If I start the PC with the PCI vid card active... then I can start in dual-head mode |
| 03:20.03 | travisat | Obvious: different versions of the same software, not exactly upgrades, just newer, you can use 3.2 or 3.3 and have both on your system with only one linked to gcc |
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| 03:20.13 | Flimzy | but the display on the PCI adaptor/monitor is still a bit garbled |
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| 03:20.27 | karsten | p88: Um. This *isn't* a standard floppy? |
| 03:20.29 | p88 | karsten: I will try it I will also try root=fd0 I read that in a mailing list |
| 03:20.33 | Flimzy | scratch that... it's _very_ garbled |
| 03:20.33 | Obvious | thx travisat, ill look for others to save HD space with :) |
| 03:20.42 | p88 | karsten: no it is a LS-120 |
| 03:20.44 | deadline | marinos: still no success. maybe i should change some kernel config? |
| 03:20.45 | karsten | p88: Um. For ls-120, I think it's /dev/sda |
| 03:20.56 | jim | why is there no apt capability? |
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| 03:21.10 | p88 | karsten: I will try it :) maybe... |
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| 03:21.14 | jim | why does scp not work if you are in using ssh? |
| 03:21.31 | sussudio | jim: bunnies |
| 03:21.33 | karsten | p88: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#floppy-boot. Read 5.1.4. Booting from Floppies |
| 03:21.38 | p88 | karsten: I will also try to simply put the hd-media stuff on a usb hdd |
| 03:21.45 | karsten | p88: enter linux root=/dev/hdc at the boot prompt. |
| 03:21.51 | jim | why are you not providing definitive information? |
| 03:21.51 | travisat | vincent: scp is a seperate command from ssh |
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| 03:21.52 | karsten | p88: Please read the manual ;-) |
| 03:21.59 | deadline | what packages do i need to apt-get to be able to compile a kernel by hand with menuconfig? |
| 03:22.04 | michal_d | grr.. can't find any info on why archive.debian.org is down |
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| 03:22.15 | karsten | p88: That addresses ls-120 specifically. |
| 03:22.16 | p88 | haaaa |
| 03:22.18 | jim | anf finally... why have you not TRIED it? |
| 03:22.20 | vincent | root@DOMINO-001 /local/notesdata# scp text.gif madmin@192.168.7.2:text.gif |
| 03:22.20 | p88 | :D |
| 03:22.26 | p88 | karsten: very nice |
| 03:22.27 | vincent | tells me |
| 03:22.34 | travisat | !tell deadline about k-p |
| 03:22.35 | vincent | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:22.40 | p88 | I see..... |
| 03:22.48 | travisat | !tell deadline about kp |
| 03:22.55 | p88 | I will do that. See you later karsten |
| 03:23.07 | karsten | p88: Confirm that the ls-120 is Secondary Master. Otherwise the device varies. |
| 03:23.10 | p88 | it is |
| 03:23.14 | jim | oic, so you're saying they require the ssh binary |
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| 03:23.36 | karsten | p88: hda == primary master hdb == P-slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd = 2-slave. |
| 03:23.38 | irreverentrevere | karsten do i have enough done to show it is just the syslogd, or should i keep running scripts? |
| 03:23.39 | vincent | ya, i'm fucked i think |
| 03:23.40 | karsten | p88: Give it a shot. |
| 03:23.42 | p88 | karsten: I thank you for your help and I will thank you again if this works |
| 03:23.50 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Did you ever get con back? |
| 03:23.54 | karsten | p88: ;-) |
| 03:23.54 | irreverentrevere | Yeah |
| 03:24.05 | karsten | irreverentrevere: OK. You've got all partitions mounted? |
| 03:24.07 | jim | if you can ssh there, can you ftp or scp back? |
| 03:24.19 | karsten | irreverentrevere: I'd like to know *why* it's hanging. |
| 03:24.33 | karsten | irreverentrevere: ...and we can do this w/o losing all system access. With some tricks. |
| 03:24.58 | irreverentrevere | karsten so would I... |
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| 03:25.06 | irreverentrevere | karsten it appears everything is mounted |
| 03:25.16 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Ok. Is 'screen' installed? If so, start it. |
| 03:25.22 | irreverentrevere | ÒkÍè ÐøKîÉ |
| 03:25.24 | karsten | irreverentrevere: You know from screen? |
| 03:25.44 | irreverentrevere | yeah, i like screen |
| 03:26.12 | jim | vincent, if you can ssh there, can you ftp or scp back? |
| 03:26.15 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Fire it up. Set up two screens. Run that script that hung, but this time do: 'bash -x <script>' |
| 03:26.23 | karsten | irreverentrevere: ...which will echo commands as they're run. |
| 03:26.51 | irreverentrevere | karsten it appears screen is not yet installed on this box, and apt-get is complaining that path is not yet set... |
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| 03:27.08 | jim | well anyway try that |
| 03:27.17 | jim | is there a debian package for a perl module that allows a perl script to tie a hash to a hashfile like a bdbm or something? |
| 03:27.21 | karsten | irreverentrevere: OK.... |
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| 03:27.34 | karsten | irreverentrevere: . /root/.bashrc |
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| 03:27.48 | sean_micken | should i download the bf2.4-3.0.23 netinst cd or the vanilla-3.0.23 for a i386 install? |
| 03:27.48 | irreverentrevere | ? |
| 03:27.53 | karsten | irreverentrevere: ...should set your path. Or: export PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin |
| 03:28.05 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Source root's .bashrc. |
| 03:28.18 | abrotman | karsten: remember yuo showed me that make file .. how do you convertfrom html to doc ? |
| 03:28.20 | karsten | sean_micken: sarge netinst. |
| 03:28.27 | travisat | !d-i sean_micken |
| 03:28.28 | dpkg | sean_micken, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:28.30 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | karsten: how ... |
| 03:28.41 | sean_micken | karsten: i want stable. |
| 03:28.52 | karsten | abrotman: /msg |
| 03:28.56 | merlincorey | sean_micken: you can't go back... |
| 03:28.57 | travisat | sean_micken: then don't follow my advice |
| 03:29.07 | karsten | abrotman: Gotit? |
| 03:29.08 | merlincorey | oh |
| 03:29.09 | merlincorey | I misread |
| 03:29.11 | merlincorey | ignore |
| 03:29.12 | merlincorey | ^_^ |
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| 03:29.16 | abrotman | karsten: thanks .. i thnik |
| 03:29.17 | sean_micken | k |
| 03:29.22 | karsten | sean_micken: Do you know what you're talking about? |
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| 03:29.28 | arnon | can I install xorg with apt-get ? |
| 03:29.28 | karsten | abrotman: I don't if I can help it. |
| 03:29.33 | merlincorey | !xorg |
| 03:29.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 03:29.45 | sean_micken | karsten: what do you mean? i just want to know the difference between bf2.4 and vanilla CDs? |
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| 03:29.59 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, I know RTF ain't doc. However it's good enough to fool most 'Doze software. |
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| 03:30.15 | irreverentrevere | ok, karsten running bash -x <script> |
| 03:30.16 | merlincorey | sean_micken: stable is only going to be stable for a little while longer... you might as well get sarge and just ensure it says "sarge" in the sources to stay with it when it goes stable... |
| 03:30.20 | karsten | sean_micken: bf2.4 uses a 2.4 kernel. Stock Woody is still 2.2 IIRC. |
| 03:30.22 | merlincorey | this is just my feeling, though |
| 03:30.39 | sean_micken | holy shit. |
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| 03:30.44 | sean_micken | woody is 2.2 |
| 03:30.50 | merlincorey | yeah, so get sarge |
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| 03:30.54 | karsten | abrotman: There _may_ be some cmdline trix with either abiword or OO.o, but I don't know 'em yet. |
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| 03:31.15 | karsten | sean_micken: That's why I asked if you knew what you were asking for. Sarge is getting damned near stable. |
| 03:31.24 | sean_micken | merlincorey: in the sources.lst you have 'testing' not 'sarge' -- does 'sarge' work instead? |
| 03:31.33 | abrotman | karsten: the OO didn't do such a hot job :) |
| 03:31.37 | abrotman | not to doc anyways |
| 03:31.38 | karsten | sean_micken: Anyway, you can install at least a 2.4 kernel, and AFAIK 2.6 with 3.0r4, on Woody. |
| 03:31.39 | merlincorey | sean_micken: yes, you change it to "sarge" and it will stick with it when it goes stable :) |
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| 03:31.50 | sean_micken | merlincorey: nice. |
| 03:31.52 | karsten | abrotman: More's the pity. What's the application? |
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| 03:32.00 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Que pasta? |
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| 03:32.06 | sgeigerb` | I have set up a WAP with Linux. No encryption yet. No firewall rules. Just the basic routes--nothing special: "10.11.12.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br0" and "0.0.0.0 10.11.12.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 br0" wavemon shows me that I have a signal, and ifconfig shows that I am able to recieve packages on ath0, my wireless interface, but my system is not transmitting a |
| 03:32.06 | sgeigerb` | ny, and the essid does not show up in netstumbler. What might be wrong? |
| 03:32.09 | Shadowwarrior13 | Location of usb device in debian? |
| 03:32.10 | abrotman | karsten: for a job :) |
| 03:32.20 | irreverentrevere | karsten what should i do while it is running? i ran bash -x <script> |
| 03:32.21 | merlincorey | sean_micken: yes indeed; it might even already say sarge :) |
| 03:32.22 | karsten | sgeigerb`: 'Dat you, bot? |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | karsten: i tried to get OO to import html and save as .doc . |
| 03:32.38 | karsten | abrotman: Specific job, or just a submission to a resume uptake system? |
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| 03:32.43 | travisat | sgeigerb`: install wireless-tools, man iwconfig |
| 03:32.48 | c4_ | what qt stuff do i need for: make /usr/src/linux/xconfig? |
| 03:33.01 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Watch. Play tiddlywinks. porn-get. Call the grilf.... |
| 03:33.03 | Shadowwarrior13 | Annnnnyone? |
| 03:33.08 | abrotman | karsten: well .. one in particular wants .doc |
| 03:33.11 | karsten | irreverentrevere: The key is to note where it stops doing things for a while. |
| 03:33.16 | travisat | c4_: just do a menuconfig, its quicker and less confusion |
| 03:33.21 | karsten | abrotman: RTF will do. Trust me. |
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| 03:33.30 | irreverentrevere | karsten it is stopped now... and i installed screen... |
| 03:33.36 | karsten | abrotman: Word just reads it as DOC. I've been doing that for years. |
| 03:33.41 | sean_micken | merlincorey: so 'sarge' is synonymous to 'testing' right now and when it goes stable it will be synonymous to 'stable' instead, correct? |
| 03:33.43 | c4_ | travisat: i have to show a friend |
| 03:33.46 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Oh. Did you install screen first or what? |
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| 03:33.52 | abrotman | karsten: gotcha ... |
| 03:33.58 | sh0rt | c4_, libqt i think |
| 03:34.06 | c4_ | sh0rt: ok |
| 03:34.09 | irreverentrevere | karsten yeah thats why i had to get the path working (apt-get was complaining) |
| 03:34.18 | sgeigerb` | travisat: What do you think is wrong? I already used iwconfig to set the essid |
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| 03:34.36 | sgeigerb` | karsten: yes |
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| 03:34.41 | karsten | abrotman: What you're going to find is that most gigs ask for DOC format because they've got some blecherous VBA-based MS Word uptake system. So long as Word *thinks* it's a DOC, it'll work. Hence: RTF rebranded as DOC. |
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| 03:34.50 | travisat | sgeigerb`: do you normally use eth0 |
| 03:35.07 | karsten | irreverentrevere: So you're installing screen now? Or it is installed? |
| 03:35.07 | abrotman | karsten: good enough |
| 03:35.18 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, that's what I've been trying to tell you ;-) |
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| 03:35.28 | abrotman | karsten: that didn't work so welll either |
| 03:35.30 | sgeigerb` | travisat: eth0 and ath0 are the real interfaces involved...and then I'm using br0 to bridge between them. |
| 03:35.40 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 03:35.42 | irreverentrevere | karsten it is installed, i started 2 screens and ran the bash -x script in one of them. the script hang for a while and just now moved on... |
| 03:35.46 | abrotman | karsten: i've got odd characters all over |
| 03:35.54 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. but i see why |
| 03:36.08 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Yeah, but it should show you what it's doing while it's doing it. *Where* did it hang? |
| 03:36.13 | abrotman | karsten: i would have to re-edit the .rtf |
| 03:36.35 | karsten | abrotman: You starting from HTML? Mind that I tidy my output so it's fully legit. |
| 03:36.44 | irreverentrevere | karsten on "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /sbin/syslogd |
| 03:36.51 | travisat | sgeigerb`: heh I just realized your setting a wap up, never tried that. |
| 03:36.55 | irreverentrevere | " |
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| 03:37.11 | karsten | irreverentrevere: try 'bash -v -x' then. From your other screen, you should be able to find and kill the process. |
| 03:37.23 | abrotman | karsten: as is mine |
| 03:37.28 | Shadowwarrior13 | What's the location of usb device in debian? |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | Shadowwarrior13: dmesg will tell you |
| 03:37.39 | karsten | irreverentrevere: You may also want to 'man sysklogd' and find a verbose option. |
| 03:37.40 | Shadowwarrior13 | K |
| 03:37.48 | karsten | Shadowwarrior13: On the serial bus. |
| 03:38.00 | Shadowwarrior13 | Serial bus? |
| 03:38.05 | Shadowwarrior13 | Sorry, linux noob |
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| 03:38.08 | karsten | Shadowwarrior13: Universal, even. |
| 03:38.09 | irreverentrevere | this time it froze on "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /sbin/syslogd --" and then the cursor is on the next line down, karsten |
| 03:38.21 | karsten | Shadowwarrior13: ls /proc/bus/usb/ |
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| 03:38.43 | Shadowwarrior13 | No such file or directory |
| 03:38.45 | karsten | Shadowwarrior13: and I'm a cheeky git. |
| 03:38.49 | karsten | p88: Que pasta? |
| 03:39.07 | p88 | karsten: The pasta is bad |
| 03:39.22 | p88 | karsten: now it panics and says it has no root fs |
| 03:39.49 | p88 | I did linux root=/dev/hdc(my ls-120 device) but it finds no root fs |
| 03:40.41 | deadline | do i really *must* use initrd with a hand compiled kernel and most modules built static? |
| 03:40.41 | Shadowwarrior13 | What does neighbour table overflow mean? |
| 03:40.47 | irreverentrevere | karsten i found a -d (debug) option for syslogd |
| 03:40.53 | Jacobo221 | in dpkg-builtpackage, is there any way to set a default "passphrase" so that i can have cron to automatically build debs from my cvs daily? |
| 03:41.09 | dondelelcaro | Jacobo221: passphrase for what? |
| 03:41.17 | p88 | deadline: no you just need your rootfs built in |
| 03:41.23 | sean_micken | karsten: merlincorey: thanks for your help. |
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| 03:41.26 | sh0rt | p88, did you have root floppy in when you did that |
| 03:41.32 | karsten | p88: Before or after prompting for the root FS? |
| 03:41.34 | dondelelcaro | Jacobo221: you mean to gpg sign the packages that are created? or what? |
| 03:41.38 | deadline | p88: ? |
| 03:41.40 | p88 | sh0rt: no |
| 03:41.55 | p88 | karsten: before any prompt |
| 03:41.59 | karsten | p88: What happens if you swap floppies immediately after the kernel completes loading? Once you start seeing stuff scroll onscreen you should be fine. |
| 03:42.04 | sh0rt | p88, maybe try that? |
| 03:42.05 | Flimzy | dammit |
| 03:42.15 | karsten | irreverentrevere: Try it. |
| 03:42.16 | p88 | sh0rt, I can try |
| 03:42.23 | Jacobo221 | dondelelcaro: when you create a deb, you are asked first for the gpg sign key. the, when finishing the deb, the "passphrase to unlock the secret key" |
| 03:42.34 | Flimzy | Is there some reason I can't boot from an AGP display, then init a dual-head display with a PCI card? When I boot from the PCI card, dual-head works just fine |
| 03:42.35 | p88 | karsten: the kernel has never completed loading before |
| 03:42.50 | Jacobo221 | dondelelcaro: i can bypass the key with -k<key-id>, but i have no way of setting the passfrase anywhere |
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| 03:43.58 | p88 | karsten: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html |
| 03:44.01 | karsten | p88: The kernel has competed reading from disk when you start seeing boot messages (HW detection, etc.) fly by. |
| 03:44.15 | p88 | maybe that is a holding point |
| 03:44.16 | dondelelcaro | Jacobo221: you don't ever want to set the passphrase to your gpg key anywhere. |
| 03:44.32 | p88 | karsten: okay then I can try indeed |
| 03:44.32 | dondelelcaro | Jacobo221: and definetly not in an automated fashion. Just don't sign the created packages. |
| 03:44.45 | karsten | p88: http://ldp.rtin.bz/LDP/LG/issue43/lg_mail43.html |
| 03:45.05 | dondelelcaro | Jacobo221: that is, use the -uc and -us options, respectively. |
| 03:45.11 | karsten | p88: Nevermind that. |
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| 03:45.33 | p88 | ok |
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| 03:45.44 | karsten | p88: Yeah, you want the idepci install disk(s). |
| 03:45.45 | ireverentReveren | karsten should i use that so it is "bash -v -x <script> -d start"? |
| 03:46.01 | p88 | I was aiming at that. I will try it |
| 03:46.03 | karsten | p88: Also: IMO, you're going to be *far* better off installing a CDR that works, even temporarially. |
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| 03:46.22 | Growly | ok so i found my problem |
| 03:46.30 | p88 | karsten: it is really impossible in this situation so I have to do it this way |
| 03:46.34 | karsten | ireverentReveren: Um. Edit your startup script directly to add the debug option. Or run the command by hand with '-d'. Or find the /etc/default file to set stuff. Sec. |
| 03:46.42 | Growly | the brand new stick of ram i had purchased was full of errors |
| 03:46.50 | karsten | p88: There's no system available from which you can borrow a CDR? |
| 03:46.53 | Jacobo221 | dondelelcaro: i want to sign them. that's the problem |
| 03:47.02 | p88 | karsten: none :-( |
| 03:47.06 | Growly | but now i have a new problem: What should one do when faced with an "Kernel Panic: Attempting to kill init!" error when trying to load the debian installer? |
| 03:47.31 | Jacobo221 | dondelelcaro: there must be some way to do this. after all, there are many servers packaging debs daily with signed debs |
| 03:47.36 | p88 | karsten: which files do I need to get? rescue, root, kernel binary, driver image, base system... |
| 03:47.54 | p88 | karsten: can the base system be installed over ftp? |
| 03:47.57 | karsten | ireverentReveren: set 'SYSLOGD='d' in /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 03:48.02 | karsten | ireverentReveren: Edit to do same. |
| 03:48.03 | Growly | p88: yes |
| 03:48.10 | karsten | p88: RTFM ;-) |
| 03:48.28 | karsten | p88: Alternatively, chroot install with tom's root boot. |
| 03:48.39 | p88 | tom |
| 03:48.40 | karsten | p88: http://www.toms.net/rb/ Start downloading now. |
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| 03:49.20 | p88 | hm :-/ it is for 2.88mb diskettes |
| 03:49.31 | karsten | p88: Nope. 1.4 MB. |
| 03:49.36 | ireverentReveren | karsten i edited the script directly.... and ran it... the last line says "Debuging disabled, SIGUSR1 to turn on debugging." and the it stalled |
| 03:49.50 | BoyWonder410 | hey, quick question, trying to install debian and it freezes at language selection... i've tried burning the cd's a couple times, any suggestions? |
| 03:49.51 | p88 | ok if you say so |
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| 03:50.11 | sussudio | BoyWonder410: use a cdrw next time? |
| 03:50.16 | mikkel | hi. anyone awake ? |
| 03:50.24 | sussudio | mikkel: hey pigmikkel |
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| 03:51.22 | mikkel | what do i need to a to my sourcelist in order to install firefox using apt-get ? |
| 03:51.32 | karsten | p88: I'm uploading the potato base2_2.tar.gz to http://linuzmafia.com/~karsten/Download/base2_2.tar.gz. I'm on dialup, that's going to be about 10-15 minutes |
| 03:51.40 | ireverentReveren | !test |
| 03:51.40 | dpkg | No, ireverentreveren, you're not online any more. |
| 03:51.45 | sussudio | mikkel: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:51.45 | karsten | p88: If you can find a copy elsewhere you can use that directly. |
| 03:51.45 | sanmarcos | FUCKÇ |
| 03:51.56 | p88 | karsten: okay |
| 03:51.59 | p88 | :) |
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| 03:52.24 | p88 | karsten: I found that the tom's root boot is for 1.7mb diskettes |
| 03:52.46 | karsten | p88: They're specially formatted 1.4s to 1.7 capacity. |
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| 03:52.50 | karsten | p88: A standard 1.4 will work. |
| 03:52.51 | jmspeex | OK, so what is it that was recently added in unstable that does wierd things in my fat32 partition and won't even let my machine boot? |
| 03:52.59 | p88 | Okay |
| 03:52.59 | Growly | !tell me about sex |
| 03:53.02 | karsten | p88: ...or rather about 95% of 'em do. |
| 03:53.09 | mikkel | ææøåæøåwell E: coudn't find package mozilla-firefox |
| 03:53.11 | mikkel | :( |
| 03:53.20 | sussudio | !info mozilla-firefox stable |
| 03:53.21 | p88 | I will try |
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| 03:54.10 | mikkel | !info mozilla-firefox stable |
| 03:54.12 | karsten | p88: You'll also want to see: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 03:54.13 | sussudio | firefox isn't in stable |
| 03:54.17 | ireverentReveren | karsten now that i have debugging turned on, what do i look for? or do? the new messages dont mean anything to me... |
| 03:54.17 | Shadowwarrior13 | Anyone got anything on configuring fstab or mtab? |
| 03:54.18 | p88 | karsten: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/base-images-current/basedebs.tar is this the one? |
| 03:54.18 | karsten | p88: Print that out while you're waiting. |
| 03:54.24 | jmspeex | Anyone would mind helping me boot my debian machine again? |
| 03:54.25 | sgeigerb` | Shadowwarrior13: man pages |
| 03:54.31 | karsten | p88: ...and no luck here turning up another copy of base2_2.tar.gz |
| 03:54.40 | karsten | p88: Could be. Sec. |
| 03:54.59 | sgeigerb` | Shadowwarrior13: mtab gets updated automatically. |
| 03:55.16 | karsten | pbase2_2.tar.gz 5% 896KB 4.8KB/s - stalled - |
| 03:55.19 | karsten | p88: ^^ 5% complete. |
| 03:55.19 | p88 | oh it is woody |
| 03:56.07 | p88 | karsten: what is potato? |
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| 03:56.24 | p88 | karsten: I have sarge disks |
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| 03:56.29 | bucky | !dict potato |
| 03:56.35 | dpkg | Dictionary 'potato' (2 of 9): Potato worm (Zo["o]l.), the large green larva of a sphinx, or hawk moth (Macrosila quinquemaculata); -- called also tomato worm. See Illust. under Tomato. ;; Potato whisky, a strong, fiery liquor, having a hot, smoky taste, and rich in amyl alcohol (fusel oil); it is made from potatoes or potato starch.. |
| 03:56.38 | karsten | p88: Release prior to woody. You can upgrade to woody following install. |
| 03:56.43 | karsten | p88: Yeah, but they don't work, now do they ;-) |
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| 03:56.53 | p88 | not really |
| 03:57.10 | sussudio | mikkel: http://www.backports.org/installation.html |
| 03:57.25 | karsten | p88: Looks like basedebs.tar is probably the same thing. |
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| 03:57.36 | jmspeex | Hello? |
| 03:57.38 | p88 | karsten: that is for woody though |
| 03:57.53 | karsten | p88: Debian makes that not matter. |
| 03:58.08 | karsten | p88: You can upgrade from one release to another trivially. |
| 03:58.15 | p88 | very nice |
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| 03:58.16 | karsten | p88: ....that's a prime benefit of Debian. |
| 03:58.17 | MrMei | ummmmmm Hi. |
| 03:58.21 | p88 | :-) |
| 03:58.22 | mikkel | sussudio: sorry, but can't you paste the apt source,since i havent got a browser :( = |
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| 03:59.18 | sussudio | mikkel: deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable mozilla-firefox |
| 03:59.25 | mikkel | thx alot :) |
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| 03:59.36 | karsten | p88: Simplest is: do an install of a given release. do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade *before* installing any packages. Change your sources to the desired release. Run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade again. *Then* start installing stuff. |
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| 03:59.53 | karsten | mikkel: aptitude install w3m links lynx |
| 04:00.00 | karsten | mikkel: three console/text browsers. |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | is firefox packaged yet? |
| 04:00.20 | p88 | karsten: I will try this |
| 04:00.21 | jmspeex | Can someone at least tell me how to boot in "interactive mode" so I can find/disable the buggy check |
| 04:00.26 | mikkel | yeah, but didn't think about that :( |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | 1.0.2 i mean :) |
| 04:00.49 | p88 | karsten: rawwritewin won't write the images .bin idepci to the disks |
| 04:00.52 | ireverentReveren | karsten any idea what to do next? |
| 04:01.02 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: boot into single user mode if there's something specific that you need to stop from loading. |
| 04:01.09 | karsten | ireverentReveren: Panic. Smoke a joint. |
| 04:01.13 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: init=/sbin/init 1; will do that, as well as init=/bin/bash |
| 04:01.16 | gehennasbane | Hey, guys. I need some help with my sound card. Tried using OSS, alsa, ARTS, and esd, none worked. Apparently it's not even being detected. Any suggestions? It's an onboard Compaq card using AC_97 drivers. |
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| 04:01.24 | p88 | maybe rawrite2 for dos does |
| 04:01.26 | karsten | p88: From where? IIRC you have to be booted to DOS, not Win98 |
| 04:01.27 | ireverentReveren | karsten fair enough. |
| 04:01.38 | abrotman | karsten: the other order is more amusing :) |
| 04:01.54 | mwilson | gehennasbane: Uh, arts and esd aren't drivers. |
| 04:02.03 | jmspeex | dondelelcaro, any idea what changed recently telling me that it's truncating every file on my windows partition and then just hanging? |
| 04:02.10 | karsten | ireverentReveren: What happenend? Anything useful? |
| 04:02.20 | dondelelcaro | http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/digital_art/by_don/incasesmokegrass.jpg |
| 04:02.24 | ireverentReveren | karsten i edited the script directly.... and ran it... the last line says "Debuging disabled, SIGUSR1 to turn on debugging." and the it stalled |
| 04:02.24 | dondelelcaro | there we are |
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| 04:02.38 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: what is telling you that? |
| 04:02.40 | karsten | ireverentReveren: Hrm. Not particularly useful. |
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| 04:03.20 | gehennasbane | mwilson, I know, I'm really new to Debian (and Linux in general) and thought that using those configurations would do something, anything. What can I do? |
| 04:03.35 | p88 | karsten: oh oh windows is broken it can't write to my ls120 anymore |
| 04:03.39 | p88 | I am in trouble |
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| 04:03.47 | jmspeex | dondelelcaro, When I'm booting, there *something* in the init scripts that seems to be finding thousand of errors on my windows partition. It's all messages like "this file has an error or something, I'm truncating it". |
| 04:03.56 | SexyKen | How do I delete all messages in a mailbox using the 'mail' comand in cli |
| 04:04.00 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: probably fsck.fat32 or something then |
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| 04:04.05 | mwilson | gehennasbane: You don't use "AC_97 drivers", either. That's a codec. |
| 04:04.07 | abrotman | SexyKen: are yo usure? |
| 04:04.09 | karsten | p88: lock tab on disk? |
| 04:04.12 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, try /sbin/syslogd -d |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | SexyKen: afaik .. d * |
| 04:04.19 | jmspeex | dondelelcaro, after a while and maybe a hundred, or a tousand of those, the boot just stalls |
| 04:04.20 | SexyKen | Thanks abrotman |
| 04:04.21 | dondelelcaro | SexyKen: just truncate the mailbox if that's what you want to do |
| 04:04.29 | abrotman | or what don said :) |
| 04:04.34 | p88 | karsten: I am going to reboot and check the bios and try your trick with quickly exchanging the disks |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | cat /dev/null > yourmailbox :) |
| 04:04.40 | mwilson | gehennasbane: Does anyone get to know any details about your hardware? |
| 04:04.47 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: boot with init=/sbin/init 1; then, and disable the fsck check for that drive by modifying your fstab |
| 04:04.51 | karsten | OK |
| 04:04.56 | p88 | karsten: you base2_2.tar.gz is also elsewhere |
| 04:05.03 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt same thing... |
| 04:05.13 | jmspeex | dondelelcaro, was fsck.fat32 recently updated (and optionally, can I have the name of the person who did that)? |
| 04:05.23 | karsten | p88: Cool. It used to be in the main Debian archives, no longer. |
| 04:05.27 | MrMei | Anyone able to help me with a Grub/Lilo Oops? |
| 04:05.27 | jmspeex | by recently, I mean in the last week or so |
| 04:05.30 | p88 | karsten: ftp://ccsoan.irkutsk.su/pub/unix/linux/base2_2.tgz |
| 04:05.33 | karsten | p88: I'm d/l'ing basedebs to see what's in it. |
| 04:05.34 | p88 | there it is |
| 04:05.41 | karsten | p88: Sweet. |
| 04:05.41 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: no, probably not, but it's quite possible that it didn't exist until recently. |
| 04:05.44 | karsten | p88: One second. |
| 04:05.52 | dondelelcaro | jmspeex: regardless, if there's a specific problem with it, file a bug. |
| 04:05.59 | p88 | okay I will reboot to try the switching trick |
| 04:06.00 | karsten | p$ md5sum base2_2.tar.gz |
| 04:06.02 | karsten | 3c1040457892fcd39ee1ce0d245f67f7 base2_2.tar.gz |
| 04:06.04 | karsten | p88: ^^ |
| 04:06.11 | jmspeex | OK, let's see... |
| 04:06.15 | karsten | p88: Confirm the md5sum if you d/l from there, should match. |
| 04:06.27 | p88 | I will check it later |
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| 04:06.50 | p88 | meh I don't like mirc |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | ok .. gnome gripe .. why the fuck doesn't delete .. delete the god damned file? |
| 04:06.56 | p88 | how do I copy things from it... |
| 04:07.00 | p88 | :-/ |
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| 04:07.11 | mwilson | abrotman: Because Gnome knows you didn't really want to do that. |
| 04:07.17 | karsten | abrotman: Google: gnome is fucked seven ways from sunday. |
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| 04:07.23 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 04:07.23 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | karsten: i don't remember if it ever worked .. in gnome's defense . nautilus might be to blame |
| 04:07.48 | p88 | karsten: see you soon probably... in windows 98 |
| 04:07.56 | gehennasbane | mwilson, OK, the motherboard uses Realtek ALC880 for sound. |
| 04:07.57 | karsten | p88: OK. I may be at the store. |
| 04:08.02 | SexyKen | Anyone know why I'd get this message when using mailfax: Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected non-continuation byte 0x10, immediately after start byte 0xc3) in transliteration (tr///) at /usr/bin/mime-construct line 198. |
| 04:08.02 | SexyKen | Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0x98, with no preceding start byte) in transliteration (tr///) at /usr/bin/m |
| 04:08.21 | gehennasbane | Anything else you need to know? |
| 04:08.23 | mwilson | gehennasbane: No, the motherboard uses Realtek ALC880 for its AC_97 codec. |
| 04:08.30 | holycow | abrotman, what do you mean doesn't delete? |
| 04:08.35 | holycow | example? |
| 04:08.37 | karsten | gehennasbane: Next week's winning Lotto numbers. |
| 04:08.52 | abrotman | holycow: on the desktop .. select a file .. hit the delete key .. no delete :) |
| 04:08.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I'd settle for the last digit in pi |
| 04:08.55 | mwilson | gehennasbane: What does lspci say? |
| 04:09.11 | holycow | abrotman, works here, gnome 2.8 |
| 04:09.18 | holycow | speaking of which, gotta find the fucking file now |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | holycow: gnome2.8 here .. no worky |
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| 04:09.23 | MrMei | Can anyone help me get my debian box to boot? I screwed up lilo by installing Grub :-( |
| 04:09.35 | abrotman | most see that as a good thing |
| 04:10.02 | holycow | abrotman, doublechecked, works here, but i don't have the latest gnome updates, maybe somethin is wonky in a library or some such? |
| 04:10.04 | gehennasbane | The following: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 04:10.10 | MrMei | abrotman. talking to me? |
| 04:10.14 | abrotman | holycow: or my install |
| 04:10.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'm looking for something *useful*. |
| 04:10.19 | abrotman | MrMei: more of a comment :) |
| 04:10.27 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...and the last digit of 'pi' is 'i' |
| 04:10.29 | holycow | abrotman, i hope it helps as a comparison anyway |
| 04:10.32 | abrotman | MrMei: run lilo again .. should fix it |
| 04:10.41 | abrotman | holycow: well . at least i know it should work ;) |
| 04:11.01 | MrMei | heheh I hear ya. I'ver used Grub for quite a while now and love it. Thats why I changed. |
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| 04:11.15 | karsten | Hrm. bzip2 compresses basedebs.tar by 18.74% |
| 04:11.15 | holycow | *nod* to be honest, i never actually tried using the del key on files selected on desktop, that was a good test :) |
| 04:11.22 | abrotman | MrMei: so what's the real problem .. system won't boot? |
| 04:11.26 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, can you copy /etc/init.d/syslogd to a floppy or something |
| 04:11.30 | MrMei | Unfortunatly I'm mor farmilliar with RedHat and It different than Debian :-( |
| 04:11.40 | karsten | holycow: God is my co-pilot, and bash is my file manager. |
| 04:11.42 | abrotman | MrMei: does the system boot |
| 04:11.43 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:11.52 | abrotman | karsten: flying solo? |
| 04:11.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:12.00 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt i suppose i could, why? |
| 04:12.31 | MrMei | Yep. and I tried the usual root (hd0,1) kent, init and it want work. |
| 04:12.32 | abrotman | karsten: it was just something i tried to do .. made a lot of garbage files trying to convert from format to format |
| 04:12.40 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, then we can delete the symlincs in rc.d and see if your machine will boot. If no diff well put it back |
| 04:12.44 | abrotman | MrMei: did you set initrd also? |
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| 04:13.49 | karsten | abrotman: I've always wondered which is worse.... |
| 04:13.51 | MrMei | I believe I did. |
| 04:13.59 | abrotman | karsten: que? |
| 04:14.00 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt ah, ok, i will scp it to another box... /etc/init.d/syslogd you say? |
| 04:14.01 | jmspeex | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Looks like it was the fat32 check. At least I can now boot my machine |
| 04:14.16 | MrMei | you mean kern kernel xxxxxxx inird /inirdxxxxx |
| 04:14.17 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, is that the one hanging |
| 04:14.23 | karsten | abrotman: ...to be an unrequited narcissist... |
| 04:14.29 | karsten | abrotman: ....or an agnostic god. |
| 04:14.41 | abrotman | karsten: or a noob! :) |
| 04:14.50 | jmspeex | Now if I could only get my scanner to work again :-( |
| 04:14.57 | ireverentReveren | .//etc/rc1.d/K90syslogd is hanging |
| 04:15.32 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, yep, copy /etc/init.d/syslogd |
| 04:15.38 | abrotman | karsten: can god be agnostic? |
| 04:15.48 | karsten | abrotman: Think about it. |
| 04:15.51 | karsten | abrotman: ...or don't. |
| 04:15.57 | abrotman | karsten: eegads! |
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| 04:16.11 | MrMei | It's all still here, I used a Knoppix disk to get here and can see everything. |
| 04:16.12 | karsten | abrotman: ...and if He *can't* be agnostic, can one truly claim He is omnipotent? |
| 04:16.13 | abrotman | karsten: this is like the wax question ... |
| 04:16.19 | sh0rt | !dict agnostic |
| 04:16.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'agnostic' Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, a. [Gr. 'a priv. + ? knowing, ? to know.] Professing ignorance; involving no dogmatic; pertaining to or involving agnosticism. -- Ag*nos"tic*al*ly, adv. |
| 04:16.26 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt coppied it over, now what? |
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| 04:16.42 | karsten | abrotman: Wozzat? |
| 04:16.50 | odine | ok been a long time since i setup debian..... cant get on the network (with router) just need to change settings from what the network installer set.. where are those settings i forget |
| 04:16.53 | abrotman | karsten: too late right now .. ask me again later :) |
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| 04:17.05 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, run update-rc.d remove -f syslogd |
| 04:17.13 | MrMei | i even cd to /mnt/hda3 and chrooted then tried to run lilo but no good. |
| 04:17.15 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt ok |
| 04:17.15 | p88 | karsten: I am reconsidering to install ubuntu |
| 04:17.16 | karsten | p88: ?? |
| 04:17.30 | p88 | karsten: I will install debian on another hdd at home and bring it to him |
| 04:17.35 | karsten | p88: You'll need a working CDR. |
| 04:17.37 | p88 | he needs some linux |
| 04:17.53 | karsten | p88: That's another option. Take his HD. Put it in a different system. Install. Transfer back. |
| 04:17.53 | p88 | karsten: can't ubuntu install using floppies? |
| 04:18.09 | karsten | p88: Maybe, but you're going to have similar issues. It's Debian. |
| 04:18.22 | p88 | ubuntu == debian? |
| 04:18.28 | karsten | p88: You *can* upgrade from Woody => Ubuntu (hoary/warty) forget which. |
| 04:18.54 | p88 | hm... |
| 04:19.01 | p88 | how about gentoo? |
| 04:19.03 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt it returned "update-rc.d:/etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist" |
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| 04:19.05 | p88 | how is it? |
| 04:19.12 | karsten | p88: It's based on Debian packages. Very, very similar. But not supported in this channel. |
| 04:19.32 | p88 | doesn't matter. is gentoo good? |
| 04:19.34 | MrMei | can anyone help me comfigure grub to boot debian? |
| 04:19.39 | karsten | p88: Gentoo is one step on the long road from Debian to Debian. |
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| 04:20.04 | p88 | Aha... |
| 04:20.23 | bucky | it's harder to install and that's a plus |
| 04:20.36 | karsten | bucky: Heh. |
| 04:20.39 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, update-rc.d --remove -f syslogd |
| 04:20.44 | chealer | karsten: hahaha |
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| 04:21.41 | slocate | does anybody else experience an over usage of cpu by X in 2.6.*? |
| 04:21.42 | chealer | how do you quote someone with dpkg? |
| 04:22.17 | MrMei | Grub/Lilo.... Help! |
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| 04:22.40 | oich | can someone tell me what mouse protocol and device to use for my recent 3-button kensington mouse with a scroll wheel (optical elite), plugged into the PS/2 port, for XFree86? |
| 04:22.58 | sh0rt | yep google can |
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| 04:23.24 | rixth_ | Cna anyone help me trouble shoot my Samba server in #flood? |
| 04:23.38 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt it returned "update-rc.d:/etc/init.d/syslogd: file does not exist" |
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| 04:23.48 | karsten | p88: Answer seems to be you can get to Ubuntu from Woody though it's not an official upgrade path. |
| 04:23.58 | p88 | karsten: there seems to be no install floppy for gentoo/ubuntu |
| 04:24.01 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, did you move it or copy it |
| 04:24.13 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt scp |
| 04:24.13 | p88 | and I really do not want to fall back to suse |
| 04:24.27 | ireverentReveren | there is a sysklogd in that folder... |
| 04:24.45 | karsten | p88: Yeah. I think Debian or addressing your boot HW is your best bet. |
| 04:25.15 | tomb0y | anyone have any idea where to start with fixin this. fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf table lookup problem. when i use the info in that .cf file manually the query works just fine just not via postfix. |
| 04:25.25 | oich | shOrt when you found out what the mouse protocol was on google where was it that you found it? |
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| 04:25.46 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, try .sh on the end? |
| 04:25.49 | karsten | p88: Anyway, I got to scoot .... |
| 04:26.05 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt same thing... |
| 04:26.11 | bucky | oich, /dev/psaux and ImPS/2 |
| 04:26.20 | p88 | okay I will go on trying things |
| 04:26.27 | p88 | thanks for your help |
| 04:26.46 | bucky | oich, when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:27.06 | oich | bucky thanks |
| 04:27.10 | bucky | afaik |
| 04:27.26 | MrMei | Can ayone help with a bootloader??? |
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| 04:28.01 | rixth_ | MrMei, whats the problem? |
| 04:28.14 | Jamsii | Why oh why does debian not pick up my ethernet adapter. /me grumbles |
| 04:29.17 | MrMei | I've used grub in the past (RedHat) and loved it so I thought I'd install it on my Debian box. I didn't make boot disks cuz I'v always been able to boot RedHat. We'll gues what Debian boot differently :-( |
| 04:29.23 | bucky | Jamsii, you mean on install when your asked to insert modules with modconf |
| 04:29.42 | Jamsii | Yeah missed that :) How do I fix it up once installed |
| 04:29.58 | Jamsii | run modconf I guess |
| 04:29.59 | bucky | Jamsii, which ethernet adapter? |
| 04:30.02 | rixth_ | So what is the actual problem? Any errors? |
| 04:30.26 | karsten-away | sussudio: Yes, but do they _excite_ you. |
| 04:30.44 | sussudio | karsten-away: donkeybotherer |
| 04:31.15 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, copy /etc/init.d/sysklogd and run rc-update on it after |
| 04:31.30 | MrMei | Damn it. Now I can remember what they were. All I can remember is akernel Panic. :-( |
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| 04:31.43 | ireverentReveren | done |
| 04:31.53 | ireverentReveren | reboot sh0rt? |
| 04:32.04 | MrMei | I tried comand mode and root (hd0,X) |
| 04:32.19 | Jamsii | buckey, netgear something hang, just rebooting |
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| 04:32.37 | Jamsii | Found the driver under modconf |
| 04:32.39 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, have you copied it over and then done update-rc.d --remove -f sysklogd |
| 04:32.43 | MrMei | kernel /kernxxxxx then initrd /initrdxxxxx ro=/dev/hda3, boot crsh. |
| 04:32.52 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt yeah |
| 04:32.52 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, did it report succes |
| 04:32.56 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt yeah |
| 04:33.02 | Jamsii | buckey, do you need to do anything after finding/installing the module from modconf? |
| 04:33.07 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, yep try reboot |
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| 04:34.00 | lakcaj | Anyone here using autofs to automount their cd drive? |
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| 04:34.32 | caphuso | lakcaj: make sure to have a version of autofs that umounts idle devices |
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| 04:34.57 | MrMei | I also booted Knoppix mounted /mnt/hda3 cd'd there chrooted and ran lilo. Nothing but errors. |
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| 04:35.13 | LinuxNIT | is there a way to use a keybindinge to execute a command while the screen is locked by xscreensaver? |
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| 04:35.36 | lakcaj | caphuso, I'm using 4.1.3+4.1.4beta2-3 with debian sarge.... brb, I'm going to do a quick reboot and see if this works. |
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| 04:36.00 | ireverentReveren | sh0rt it still ran syslogd on boot |
| 04:36.22 | MrMei | quit |
| 04:36.26 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, f**k |
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| 04:37.29 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, stby might have todo same with klogd |
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| 04:38.13 | ar3dam | hi there, i have this error, "ide_dmaproc", why is this error? |
| 04:38.14 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, yep same same with /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 04:38.16 | Kero_1116 | i am unable to change my samba password, why? |
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| 04:38.59 | Timmeh | anyone be willing to help me for a minute or two? |
| 04:39.01 | Kero_1116 | i'm using webmin |
| 04:39.24 | Kero_1116 | "Failed to save user : Failed to change password using smbpasswd" |
| 04:39.37 | chealer | Kero_1116: don't even try, webmin's samba module isn't worth vi |
| 04:39.53 | chealer | Kero_1116: there's SWAT alternatively |
| 04:40.02 | Kero_1116 | how do i use swat? |
| 04:40.08 | chealer | apt-get install swat |
| 04:40.30 | chealer | and it will be on port 902 |
| 04:40.33 | caphuso | 52 letters, 10 digits, and ,.!?"'() are 70 |
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| 04:41.07 | Kero_1116 | hmm |
| 04:41.08 | Kero_1116 | doesn't work |
| 04:41.26 | Kero_1116 | 902 port |
| 04:41.28 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, were you getting errors from that command for update-rc.d |
| 04:41.43 | chealer | Kero_1116: sorry 901 :/ |
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| 04:41.55 | Kero_1116 | https? |
| 04:42.11 | chealer | no |
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| 04:42.23 | Kero_1116 | does not show anything |
| 04:42.23 | chealer | http://localhost:901/ |
| 04:42.24 | Kero_1116 | grrr |
| 04:42.33 | Kero_1116 | how about another computer network |
| 04:42.36 | Kero_1116 | i'm using hte network id |
| 04:42.41 | lakcaj | Hrmm.... this isn't working. I don't understand why the gnome-volume-manager isn't working in the first place. I would like my cdrom drive to mount a disk when I put it in, and have an icon appear on my desktop. |
| 04:42.42 | odine | using the debian net installer minimum cd... cant seem to get onboard ethernet to recognize... soyo kt600 mobo (seems to be a via onboard lan) |
| 04:42.58 | chealer | Kero_1116: you mean network ip? |
| 04:43.06 | Kero_1116 | yes, i got hte network ip |
| 04:43.06 | Timmeh | This web server is running in SSL mode. how can i turn that off in debian? |
| 04:43.09 | lakcaj | Can someone help me? I don't know what I should be using: gnome-volume-manager | autofs | ivman??? |
| 04:43.39 | chealer | Kero_1116: it probably is only accessible locally by default... |
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| 04:43.58 | Kero_1116 | oh |
| 04:44.01 | Kero_1116 | any config for swat? |
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| 04:44.54 | irreverentrevere | sh0rt you r0x0rs my s0x0rs as the script kiddies say... |
| 04:45.13 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, works? |
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| 04:45.35 | irreverentrevere | yeah syslog doesnt run, but i believe that was on my list of things to turn off anyway (laptop) |
| 04:45.42 | lakcaj | Anyone tried using ivman? |
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| 04:45.58 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, so you can boot? |
| 04:46.08 | irreverentrevere | sh0rt yeah |
| 04:46.25 | chealer | Kero_1116: sorry, man swat, INSTALLATION |
| 04:46.38 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, I would try and fix it, cause its a f**king usefull thing |
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| 04:47.16 | irreverentrevere | sh0rt thats prolly true, but like i said, it was on the list of things to turn off for the laptop |
| 04:47.44 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, o.k. have fun :) |
| 04:49.03 | Hackel | Is there an advantage in formatting an ext2/3 with fewer inodes? Results in more usable space? |
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| 04:50.00 | Timmeh | How would i turn off ssl so i can view webmin? |
| 04:50.09 | mwilson | stupid ssh |
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| 04:50.38 | rixth_ | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so" I'm sick of seeing thati. How do I fix it? |
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| 04:50.47 | odine | ok i figured out my problem.. now i need a soultion.. with the debian netinstall how do i load the via-rhine driver? |
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| 04:51.00 | markybob | who do i change the icon nautilus uses for specific file types? not just a single file, but all files with such an extension? |
| 04:51.31 | sh0rt | Timmeh, /etc/init.d/sshd stop? |
| 04:51.41 | Timmeh | i'll see |
| 04:51.54 | Timmeh | im like debian/linux n00b |
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| 04:52.14 | sh0rt | Timmeh, ignore that actually |
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| 04:52.56 | Timmeh | ok |
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| 04:55.34 | vsb | how to download a package using its ftp archive? |
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| 04:56.25 | Puppster | hi, new system... root can play music but my normal user can't... tried to add myself to audio group, is there something else i need to do? |
| 04:57.13 | chealer | Puppster: logout, login, probably |
| 04:58.13 | Puppster | ah, ok, haven't tried that yet |
| 04:58.45 | chealer | Kero_1116: BTW, which webmin-samba version did you try? |
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| 05:01.17 | irreverentrevere | is it possible to set platform specific options so gcc compiles code optimized for my platform? i googled it for a while but never found any good info on it for debian (only gentoo) |
| 05:01.43 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: it's done in a makefile specific manner |
| 05:01.59 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: typically by setting CXXFLAGS and/or CFLAGS. See aptbuild FE. |
| 05:02.21 | irreverentrevere | dang.... I was hoping to recompile the kernel optimally... |
| 05:02.22 | irreverentrevere | thanks |
| 05:02.44 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: so build it for your architecture. Nothing really magical there |
| 05:03.08 | irreverentrevere | only change needed is specifying the cpu type in the config? |
| 05:03.31 | dondelelcaro | irreverentrevere: generally, yes. |
| 05:03.44 | irreverentrevere | oh, well, then, that was easy |
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| 05:04.55 | Timmeh | can someone please tell me how to disable ssl. |
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| 05:05.17 | gpx87 | hello, i run mandrake on my desktop computer, and wanted to know if debian will make a good server, better than mandrake for example .. |
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| 05:06.03 | vsb | is there any package which will notify me, whenver any other user ssh to my machine? |
| 05:06.15 | dondelelcaro | vsb: tail /var/log/auth.log |
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| 05:07.23 | jmank | hi, does anyone else have a hard time finding reliable apt package sources? everything i try to add a new source, either the package are broken, or some other problem exists. can point me to a list of reliable, uptime, apt sources? |
| 05:07.27 | shek | I am soo confused about kernel-source compiling, debian way , linux way, aptitude ? I am really lost, needless to say I am a new user, and I am trying to install drivers for my webcam under debian, the pwc driver requires the source to be installed, does it mean the headers? the kernel build dir? or source? |
| 05:08.27 | dondelelcaro | shek: generally you just need the headers. |
| 05:08.40 | shek | when I do an aptitude install kernel-source-2.6.8, I get a .bz file, I untar it and then I do a make menuconfig, make, make install , but nothing happens. do I have to change the grub file to point to the new vmlinuz or does debian do it ? |
| 05:08.52 | jmank | shek, there's a good tutorial on compiling the kernel debian way, search for "kernel debian way kevin mckinley" |
| 05:09.02 | dondelelcaro | shek: if you're using a standard Debian kernel, someone may have already built the drivers already. |
| 05:09.18 | dondelelcaro | shek: if you just want to build the kernel completely the Debian way, /msg dpkg kp; and /msg dpkg kp mantra; |
| 05:09.22 | shek | I am using 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 05:10.13 | shek | I printed out the instructions on dpkg kp , they didnt help much |
| 05:10.17 | nvz | I think I don't realize sometimes, how cold it is outside until I've come back in and try to type my password and my fingers are too numb |
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| 05:11.18 | ep | I got some help here a while back on using cdrecord (IDE drive) to burn an iso file but I lost my notes. The howto I'm reading gives "cdrecord -dev ATAPI:/dev/hdc -data file.iso". Does this look ok to ya'll? |
| 05:11.30 | jim | shek: printing the instructions alone doesn't produce the package :) |
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| 05:11.47 | jim | shek: are you saying you need help interpreting them? |
| 05:11.48 | dondelelcaro | ep: if the drive is /dev/hdc it'll probably work |
| 05:11.53 | ep | Cause last time I had something in there about the speed=xx but the howto file is not giving that. |
| 05:12.34 | nvz | ep: read the manpage for cdrecord, you probably do want an options line with things like burnproof or burnfree or whatever the option is called |
| 05:12.38 | _fevel_ | i have just downloaded the nvidia drivers...can someone help me install it |
| 05:12.43 | shek | jim: yes, they seem a little to over my head for a beginner |
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| 05:12.57 | chealer | !tell _fevel_ about nvidia-installer |
| 05:13.04 | ep | ah yeah, makes sense |
| 05:13.11 | chealer | _fevel_: yes, but it looks like you started the wrong way |
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| 05:13.58 | _fevel_ | chealer: does that mean i should follow the nvidia site instructions?? |
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| 05:14.13 | nvz | _fevel_: nope, that means you never should have gone to nvidia.com |
| 05:14.13 | jim | shek: OK, have you built a kernel before? |
| 05:14.33 | nvz | _fevel_: their drivers are nice, but they aren' |
| 05:14.38 | nvz | t debainized |
| 05:14.50 | nvz | damn fingers are still a little numb |
| 05:14.52 | _fevel_ | thank goodness...for some reason i just dont trust that .run package |
| 05:14.58 | nvz | heh |
| 05:14.59 | shek | jim: no , first time |
| 05:15.02 | jim | is there a debian package for a perl module that allows a perl script to tie a hash to a hashfile like a bdbm or something? |
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| 05:15.17 | jim | shek: ok, that would explain it... |
| 05:15.34 | _fevel_ | is there a script for me to install it nvz |
| 05:15.36 | _fevel_ | ? |
| 05:16.01 | chealer | !tell _fevel_ about nvidia-howto |
| 05:16.02 | jim | shek: maybe I can talk ya out of it... (halfway kidding here) why do you need to? |
| 05:16.02 | sh0rt | shek, google debian + newbie + kernel + compile |
| 05:16.06 | nvz | _fevel_: it works, and its really simple to use, you basically just run it... but it's not debianized and can break your package system as upgrades will not be aware of the install |
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| 05:16.49 | _fevel_ | so is there a better way? |
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| 05:17.11 | nvz | dpkg, nvidia one-liner? |
| 05:17.11 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 05:17.20 | Flimzy | Is it possible to use Xinerama with a dual-head display in such a way that X is aware of different sized monitors, and treats the different sized displays appropriately? (Like Windows does) |
| 05:17.41 | nvz | _fevel_: yeah using debianized packages you build yourself with module-assistant |
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| 05:18.34 | _fevel_ | nvz: im pretty new...so i dont think im able to use module -assistant yet |
| 05:18.37 | michal_d | hmm.. anyone here use ISDN? |
| 05:18.39 | nvz | is the -t unstable really nessicary? |
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| 05:18.59 | michal_d | having a little trouble setting it up.. not sure if i forgot something or not |
| 05:18.59 | _fevel_ | ive just installes debian 3 days ago |
| 05:19.01 | nvz | I mean arent all those packages also in sarge? |
| 05:19.17 | michal_d | i was pretty sure the hisax module didn't need any paramaters |
| 05:19.32 | chealer | nvz: they were removed, except nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:19.39 | nvz | _fevel_: I've never seen module-assistant, I havent yet owned anything I needed to build a module for.. but its said to be pretty easy |
| 05:19.46 | _fevel_ | and i think i got a good enough pace to use the sistem |
| 05:19.58 | _fevel_ | but got alot to learn still |
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| 05:20.38 | _fevel_ | i learned how to use apt pretty well, so is there a way i could install it from there?? |
| 05:20.49 | genix | What is contrib in sources.list? |
| 05:20.50 | michal_d | argh.. does anyone know what the equivalent of /etc/modutils/hisax would be in module-init-tools ? |
| 05:20.52 | _fevel_ | adding a repository |
| 05:20.54 | shek | jim: I need to install linux-wlan drivers for my usb wireless adapter ( linksys wusb11) |
| 05:20.56 | nvz | _fevel_: I used the nvidia binary on the two systems I had, but they werent mine.. I was just testing them. it does in fact break on upgrades like changing kernels and stuff, you have to run the nvidia binary again to get it to reinstall itself every time |
| 05:21.06 | nvz | _fevel_: do it the right way, and you only have to do it once |
| 05:21.11 | chealer | genix: like main |
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| 05:21.22 | genix | chealer, and what is main? |
| 05:21.30 | jim | shek:OK... are you presently using initrd? (also, do you use lilo or grub to boot?) |
| 05:21.54 | nvz | _fevel_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:21.59 | nvz | if you need to see it again |
| 05:22.20 | michal_d | i might just downgrade to 2.4.x :/ modutils is much more flexible |
| 05:22.22 | chealer | genix: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 05:22.29 | genix | chealer, so I must choose between main and contrib, I can't use both? |
| 05:22.36 | chealer | genix: you can |
| 05:22.43 | genix | chealer, ok |
| 05:23.10 | chealer | genix: example sources.list line from mine : deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 05:23.17 | _fevel_ | i saw it , I use sarge though |
| 05:23.25 | nvz | _fevel_: so what :P |
| 05:23.39 | _fevel_ | oh sorry |
| 05:23.42 | genix | chealer, right |
| 05:23.44 | _fevel_ | ;P |
| 05:23.56 | nvz | _fevel_: the packages arent in sarge, thats why it says see also <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
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| 05:24.09 | _fevel_ | i got it |
| 05:24.15 | nvz | _fevel_: ask dpkg about sid/sarge mix and non-free sources |
| 05:24.16 | _fevel_ | thanks for your pacience |
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| 05:24.24 | genix | chealer, when should I use stable/testing/unstable? |
| 05:24.27 | chealer | _fevel_: see that, "assistant". don't worry I can help you with that. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html is much more detailed than the one-liner |
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| 05:24.49 | chealer | genix: hum...do you know what they are? |
| 05:25.02 | Area-51 | is there a way to get a count of files in a directory recursivly? |
| 05:25.03 | jim | shek: actually second question first... lilo or grub is your booter? |
| 05:25.03 | genix | chealer, no |
| 05:25.11 | michal_d | is it true that module-init-tools does not support options? |
| 05:25.19 | chealer | !tell genix about releases |
| 05:25.39 | nvz | Area-51: ls -R dir/ | wc -l |
| 05:25.48 | nvz | Area-51: something like that |
| 05:26.00 | genix | !tell me about releases |
| 05:26.19 | TBBle | michal_d: No, I don't think so... |
| 05:26.38 | Area-51 | nvz: ty |
| 05:26.44 | michal_d | TBBle: no it doesn't implement options or no it's not true? |
| 05:26.48 | chealer | genix: you can use /msg dpkg releases instead to avoid spam |
| 05:27.04 | TBBle | michal_d: I don't think that's true. |
| 05:27.25 | genix | chealer, ok |
| 05:27.26 | sh0rt | genix, here http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 05:27.46 | michal_d | it would be really nice if there was some sort of documentation :/ |
| 05:27.51 | genix | sh0rt, chealer gave that |
| 05:27.53 | TBBle | michal_d: The modules-init-tools modprobe manpage points to modprobe.conf |
| 05:28.05 | genix | chealer, what is non-US for? |
| 05:28.18 | TBBle | michal_d: Try /etc/modprobe.d |
| 05:28.21 | michal_d | TBBIe: that file is automatically generated and shouldn't be toouched |
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| 05:28.29 | sh0rt | hey wtf debian says woody was realised jan1 2005 |
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| 05:28.38 | nvz | dpkg, 88+21+11+4+6 |
| 05:28.38 | dpkg | 130 |
| 05:28.38 | michal_d | TBBIe: i'm looking in there but I don't see where options would go.. everything is an alias |
| 05:28.49 | chealer | sh0rt: debian says that? |
| 05:28.51 | genix | hmm, chealer now I know how to use dpkg =) |
| 05:28.51 | jim | sh0rt: no, way befoer that |
| 05:29.02 | chealer | genix: now you are happy |
| 05:29.03 | sh0rt | have a look on that link |
| 05:29.14 | genix | chealer, Didn't know exacly how to use it before =) |
| 05:29.14 | dvsdude | hey all when i try to compile a kernel on knoppix i get /usr/include errors any one here recomiled the kernel any suggestions on recompile kernel on knoppix have compiled kernels on other os but knoppixs gives me greef |
| 05:29.17 | jim | shek, test |
| 05:29.23 | jim | oh, gone |
| 05:29.31 | dvsdude | knoppix is debian based |
| 05:29.42 | chealer | genix: that's why you were still looking for an answer to your existential questions |
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| 05:29.52 | TBBle | dvsdude: Check the channel topic. |
| 05:29.52 | michal_d | anyone have an example of passing an option to ANY module using the /etc/modprobe.d/ mechanism? |
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| 05:30.04 | genix | chealer, I have asked 100 off questions that /msg dpkg could have answer ;) |
| 05:30.10 | TBBle | michal_d: /etc/modprobe.d/local and put it in that. The manpage I just mentioned should give you the syntax. |
| 05:30.12 | chealer | !based on debian |
| 05:30.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 05:30.25 | genix | chealer, yes |
| 05:30.34 | nvz | thats not very accurate :P |
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| 05:30.46 | nvz | the ls -R dir/ | wc -l thing |
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| 05:30.51 | mdadm | hi everyone |
| 05:30.55 | genix | chealer, powerful bot |
| 05:30.57 | mdadm | i finally got debian up and running :) |
| 05:31.09 | mdadm | even put ruby on there... |
| 05:31.36 | kingsley_ | mdadm: Have you ever used anything like unix before? |
| 05:31.43 | michal_d | TBBIe: is local the right way to name the file or should I name it after the module ? |
| 05:31.53 | mdadm | however i am doing everything from the console...should i put gnome or kde on this thing as a window system? i am going to ultimately use it for a server..but i need it usable so that i can develop on it |
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| 05:32.16 | mdadm | kingsley: yah i am a unix user..just never got one up and running or adminsitered one..till now :) |
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| 05:32.47 | rixth_ | What is the command to start MySQL |
| 05:32.56 | jim | great. I've installed libberkeleydb-perl only to find there is no docs. |
| 05:33.00 | kingsley_ | mdadm: I think installing gnome or kde is a good idea. |
| 05:33.03 | chealer | rixth_: /etc/init.d/mysql start presumably |
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| 05:33.10 | kingsley_ | mdadm: How did you install Debian? |
| 05:33.11 | mdadm | apt-cache search mysql is what you need to do rixth_ if you dont have it yet |
| 05:33.18 | Timmeh | can someone please tell me how to disable ssl? |
| 05:33.30 | rixth_ | chealer: I thoght so too. I compiled it myself. |
| 05:33.41 | caphuso | jim: "perldoc BerkeleyDB" works for me |
| 05:33.42 | chealer | rixth_: mysqld? |
| 05:33.46 | jim | Timmeh: I guess you could uninstall the involved libs |
| 05:33.47 | kingsley_ | Timmeh: I can't, but google seems to have answers. |
| 05:33.52 | mdadm | kingsley: i plopped in a knoppix cd...and debootstrap and chrooted... |
| 05:33.52 | jim | caphuso: thank you |
| 05:33.59 | mdadm | and configured the kernel and then just compiled |
| 05:34.00 | chealer | rixth_: what do you compile it for BTW? |
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| 05:34.08 | Timmeh | i've been trying google |
| 05:34.09 | arnon | hello, I am using linux to see files hidden from windows api on a win xp box, how can I unhide them..? |
| 05:34.10 | caphuso | "man BerkeleyDB" does too |
| 05:34.15 | TBBle | michal_d: Whatever you like. I'd call it local and throw all my local commands in there |
| 05:34.16 | rixth_ | norox, there is no mysqld either. Chealer: just for my own tinkering. |
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| 05:34.24 | sh0rt | Timmeh, in firefox? |
| 05:34.26 | mdadm | kingsley: do i need to apt-get install kde ...is it that simple to get kde up and running? |
| 05:34.50 | Timmeh | what happens is i cant access webmin from my computer |
| 05:34.54 | Timmeh | ojn my dedicated server |
| 05:35.05 | Timmeh | because it says this web server is currently in ssl mode |
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| 05:35.15 | Timmeh | i use fiorefox on my home computer |
| 05:35.19 | sh0rt | mdadm, which release are you using |
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| 05:35.22 | kingsley_ | mdadm: I highly recommend using apt-get. It will save you hours upon hours of time otherwise checking package dependencies. |
| 05:35.24 | dvsdude | TBBle tell someone who cares |
| 05:35.26 | mdadm | 3.1 |
| 05:35.29 | mdadm | sarge |
| 05:35.43 | dondelelcaro | mdadm: yes, just apt-get install kde |
| 05:35.53 | mdadm | wow...i love this apt-get... |
| 05:35.58 | genix | In sources.list, should I replace "stable/testing/unstable" with "sarge" if I'm running it? |
| 05:35.59 | grendal_prime | whats the quickest way to get just the domain name via php and referer? |
| 05:36.01 | litage | how would one scp ./a/a.txt and ./b/b.txt to another machine so that a.txt stays in a/ and b.txt in b/ ? |
| 05:36.02 | TBBle | dvsdude: And I thought I was lagged... I don't see any other answers either... |
| 05:36.05 | mdadm | i remember in the old days i would download he source and compile... |
| 05:36.05 | sh0rt | mdadm, then yep just apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 05:36.11 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: ask in #php |
| 05:36.29 | mdadm | is do i need to download an x server program too? or is that built into gnome /kde? |
| 05:36.34 | grendal_prime | i did...someone just answered |
| 05:36.45 | kingsley_ | mdadm: If you're lucky, kde might run after simply apt-get install <the right meta package>, but you'll need X windows too and how easily it installs depends on which hardware you're using and how well it's supported. |
| 05:36.49 | genix | chealer, there |
| 05:37.26 | kingsley_ | I need to leave soon. |
| 05:37.29 | dvsdude | TBBle somettimes being heres like bashing your head against a brick wall nobody really seems to care these days i thought if the ? was debian related go for it |
| 05:37.33 | genix | chealer, In sources.list, should I replace "stable/testing/unstable" with "sarge" if I'm running Sarge? |
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| 05:37.42 | mdadm | kkingsley: but when i apt-install g et kde ..it will figure out that i need x and automatically take care of that too? |
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| 05:38.06 | chealer | genix: you have "stable/testing/unstable" in your sources.list? |
| 05:38.22 | dvsdude | kkingsley mdadm you can allways do apt-get build-dep kde |
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| 05:38.29 | genix | chealer, right, and I wonder if I should replace them with sarge? |
| 05:38.42 | chealer | genix: why do you have so many sources? |
| 05:38.44 | kingsley_ | mdadm: That seems plausible, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if google could direct you to a FAQ. |
| 05:38.46 | Growly | alright i need help. |
| 05:39.01 | mdadm | kingsley= nice i didnt know about build-dep flag |
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| 05:39.05 | TBBle | dvsdude: True. But that was a knoppix question. I know nothing about the Knoppix way of building kernels, so I can't help. So I think you'll have better luck in the Knoppix channel. |
| 05:39.22 | chealer | rixth_: well, no idea if you don't have a mysqld. why not ask #mysql? |
| 05:39.30 | Growly | I need advice: I used the same install disk for two different PCs, but in one of them it crashed during the base-system copy |
| 05:39.37 | genix | chealer, I have unstable and stable, but should I replace them with sarge? |
| 05:39.42 | mdadm | hope x and kde dont take too much space.. |
| 05:39.51 | nvz | Growly: try again. |
| 05:40.11 | nvz | Growly: ... if at first you don't succeed |
| 05:40.15 | mdadm | im tempted to just do my development on a different machine and forget about installing x and kde :) |
| 05:40.16 | sh0rt | Timmeh, did you try SSLDisable |
| 05:40.20 | mdadm | not a good idea tho eh? :) |
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| 05:40.26 | chealer | genix: maybe, but I don't see why you got all those sources in first place |
| 05:40.27 | teflon-bilby | Growly, was the hardware the same for both boxes? |
| 05:40.36 | mdadm | that is the path to the dark side :) |
| 05:40.41 | dvsdude | TBBle far enough but knoppix channel has low users figure if you use debian u have used knoppix and if you dont ask how will u know |
| 05:40.50 | nvz | teflon-bilby: all except the booger than transfered from his finger to the cd |
| 05:40.51 | genix | chealer, see flood |
| 05:41.12 | chealer | dvsdude: you don't use debian because you used knoppix |
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| 05:41.29 | genix | chealer, I don't have many sources, pls check (allmost done) |
| 05:41.39 | TBBle | dvsdude: That' |
| 05:42.10 | TBBle | dvsdude: That's the bad assumption. If you're used Debian, means nothing about Knoppix. It means you've used dpkg and apt-get, sure. But anything else is a wild assumption. |
| 05:42.21 | nvz | dvsdude: indeed, its so much easier when everyone is in. Are you in? |
| 05:42.47 | dvsdude | nvz in????? |
| 05:42.54 | dondelelcaro | nvz: It'd just say debian/rules |
| 05:42.55 | TBBle | nvz: Does that involve a red spiral with a milk-moustache? |
| 05:43.00 | nvz | heh |
| 05:43.26 | chealer | genix: that's ok for having stable/testing/unstable sources, I just don't understand why you got all these? did you upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 05:43.52 | genix | no, I did copy it from a friend yesterday |
| 05:44.01 | genix | chealer |
| 05:44.40 | chealer | genix: oh. so you don't need stable sources for running sarge. and you should removed unstable ones before you checked how to get a sarge/sid mix safely |
| 05:45.23 | chealer | genix: s/and you should removed unstable ones before you checked how to get a sarge/sid mix safely/and you should remove unstable ones if you didn't check how to get a sarge/sid mix safely yet |
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| 05:45.52 | chealer | sorry for confusion... |
| 05:46.10 | Growly | teflon-bilby: the hardware is slightly different |
| 05:46.54 | genix | chealer, Should I only run stable at all sources for Sarge? |
| 05:47.28 | nvz | genix: sarge is currently testing, if you want sarge, your sources should simply say sarge |
| 05:47.53 | arnon | if anyone familliar with this filename please let me know what it is. lm_alpha-numeric-symbol14#1-7_5_5700x40000000_#4.rt |
| 05:47.55 | sh0rt | Timmeh, you running apache yes |
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| 05:48.27 | nvz | genix: that way you will have sarge even if it goes stable, the official respositories maintain links to the correct repositories with the codenames for the recent releases |
| 05:49.16 | genix | nvz, thanks, so stable/testing/unstable should be replaced by sarge |
| 05:49.24 | mdadm | general debian question: how do i setup a ssh server so that i can ssh to my machine from a remote machine? |
| 05:49.26 | genix | nvz, whichever I use |
| 05:49.35 | nvz | genix: you shouldnt have stable, testing, and unstable in the same sources list |
| 05:50.18 | genix | nvz, check flood, I have donw what you told me to |
| 05:50.24 | nvz | genix: sarge is already partially frozen and with a whole lot of luck and godspeed may one day become stable, so tracking it by name rather than status is probably better |
| 05:50.32 | jim | genix: I like recommending that method to people, because it's sometimes disconcerting if it were to become stable, something else becomes testing and all of a sudden it tries to upgrade your system to some other work-in-progress |
| 05:50.50 | chealer | mdadm: you install a SSH server :? |
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| 05:51.15 | Sero | Debian rocks! Whooo!! |
| 05:51.15 | jim | that way, you hold onto sarge until YOU DECIDE otherwise |
| 05:51.21 | mdadm | chealer: thats what i need to do...apt-cache search ssh-server? |
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| 05:51.26 | simonrvn | ssh |
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| 05:51.32 | chealer | mdadm: apt-get install ssh |
| 05:51.41 | simonrvn | a-g install |
| 05:51.46 | mdadm | i already have the ssh client on my machien tho... |
| 05:52.02 | simonrvn | ssh also installs /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 05:52.28 | mdadm | ahh thats what i needed to know /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 05:52.47 | mdadm | i love debian!1 |
| 05:53.05 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure ssh to conf it a bit |
| 05:53.14 | mdadm | knoppix too..afterall they are bros :) |
| 05:53.15 | Flimzy | Is it possible to do software GL rendering in X? |
| 05:53.28 | rixth_ | Hmmm, I know PHP would run slow on a 500mhz machine, but it shouldn't take 10seconds to parse the phpinfo() command, right? |
| 05:53.31 | simonrvn | yeh. but it's fucking slow |
| 05:53.33 | Azra`el | Flimzy, possible, yes. worthwhile? No |
| 05:53.37 | sussudio | Flimzy: that would be the mesa libs |
| 05:53.37 | chealer | rixth_: no |
| 05:53.59 | mdadm | is there a pretty front end to postgresql anyone knows about for debian? |
| 05:54.01 | sussudio | Flimzy: it's really really fucking slow |
| 05:54.02 | chealer | rixth_: well actually, I don't know |
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| 05:54.10 | mdadm | i know windows has some cool stuff..but i dont like windows |
| 05:54.10 | rixth_ | Gonna take a look at my config. I havn't touched it sine install. |
| 05:54.19 | sussudio | !tell mdadm about search |
| 05:54.19 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Well... I have a dual-head display... my secondary head doesn't have hardware GL... and so some things (namely screen savers) only show on one display |
| 05:54.53 | simonrvn | mdadm: phppgadmin, some gtk apps |
| 05:54.56 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I may decide I don't care. But I'll probably try software GL before making that decision |
| 05:54.56 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 05:55.29 | caphuso | yeah, wasting 80% of your CPU cycles to save your monitor is certainly worth it |
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| 05:55.48 | Flimzy | Or I might just get a PCI 3D card... a friend may give me his old banshee |
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| 05:55.54 | Azra`el | Flimzy, HI |
| 05:56.04 | Flimzy | caphuso: Hey... this is a VERY valuable 14" monitor! :P |
| 05:56.14 | mdadm | simonrvn: i dont plan on installing x on my server...would that require x? |
| 05:56.19 | Flimzy | Azra`el: er... hi? |
| 05:56.30 | Growly | I swear the level of radiation in my room is not normal. |
| 05:56.40 | simonrvn | mdadm: uh, what? why would that require x? |
| 05:56.52 | simonrvn | debconf is already installed, i bet |
| 05:56.59 | Azra`el | what card won't do gl on both heads? |
| 05:57.01 | mdadm | simonrvn: being a graphical interface to postgresql and all... |
| 05:57.15 | mdadm | debconf? |
| 05:57.24 | simonrvn | mdadm: oh, phppgadmin... nah, any old browser will do (that groks javascript) |
| 05:57.39 | simonrvn | mdadm: sorry, got confused |
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| 05:58.03 | mdadm | dimonrvn: ahh i hear ya...it is a web interface into the database... |
| 05:58.10 | mdadm | simonrvn: thats cool... |
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| 05:58.29 | Azra`el | Flimzy, i've had pretty much every major brand of card that'll do multiple heads, and i haven't run into one that you couldn't MAKE do gl on both heads one way or the other. |
| 05:58.31 | simonrvn | sooner or later you're better of learning the CLI tools |
| 05:58.35 | simonrvn | off* |
| 05:58.46 | SyphonAI | anyone have a link to 3.0r4 netinstall ? if there is no such thing then the latest netinstall you have a link for... |
| 05:58.59 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I'm using a GeForce4 440MX and Matrox Millenium (yeah... the original) |
| 05:59.05 | simonrvn | at the very least how to set things up, and admin the dbs |
| 05:59.20 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I'm quite sure the Matrox card has *no* hardware 3d support |
| 05:59.28 | michal_d | is there any way to trigger an isdn connection upon boot? or do i have to create a cronjob wich pings something on the net once a minute? |
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| 05:59.31 | mdadm | simonrvn: what is cli? :) |
| 05:59.33 | Azra`el | Flimzy, you're unfortunately, incorrect sir |
| 05:59.36 | dondelelcaro | !cli |
| 05:59.36 | dpkg | methinks cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 05:59.39 | simonrvn | @cli |
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| 05:59.41 | Azra`el | is it an M1 or an M2? |
| 05:59.41 | Flimzy | Azra`el: So it's a question of whether or not it's worth doing software gl on that display |
| 05:59.43 | ravenbird | it has been said that cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction |
| 05:59.50 | Flimzy | Azra`el: M1 |
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| 06:00.12 | Azra`el | Flimzy, you need both the nvidia gl libs, and the matrox gl libs co-existing. |
| 06:00.15 | mdadm | got it... |
| 06:00.16 | Azra`el | it's not impossible. |
| 06:00.25 | mdadm | yah good pt...i know a bit of cli for mysql... |
| 06:00.25 | Flimzy | Azra`el: hrm |
| 06:00.30 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Is it _easy_? |
| 06:00.34 | mdadm | just new to postgresql..so figured id go graphical for a bit :) |
| 06:00.37 | Azra`el | Flimzy, what's your IQ? |
| 06:00.59 | Flimzy | Azra`el: hehe... I went from 0-to-dual-head in under 60 minutes. |
| 06:01.10 | Azra`el | then sure. |
| 06:01.16 | SyphonAI | anyone have a link to 3.0r4 netinstall ? if there is no such thing then the latest netinstall you have a link for... |
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| 06:01.23 | Azra`el | google a howto. you know what the issue is now. |
| 06:01.33 | Flimzy | okees |
| 06:01.34 | Azra`el | (nvidia does some proprietary crap to their libgl) |
| 06:01.38 | Flimzy | thanks |
| 06:01.47 | _fevel_ | why dos sarge come ith kernel 2.4 |
| 06:01.55 | _fevel_ | isnt 2.6 stable |
| 06:02.09 | simonrvn | SyphonAI: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 06:02.11 | Flimzy | I'll probably replace this card soon anyway... 2mb vid ram means I can only do 16bpp across _both_ displays |
| 06:02.20 | chealer | !kernel of instability |
| 06:02.20 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 06:02.33 | Azra`el | 16bpp accelerates better than 32 anyway. ;p |
| 06:02.33 | Flimzy | I'll prolly try to pick up a 4mb card in the next week or so |
| 06:03.00 | Azra`el | i've got a G550 you could buy if you were intrested |
| 06:03.06 | chealer | _fevel_: I believe some architecture(s) don't come with 2.4 anymore |
| 06:03.10 | Azra`el | dual VGA/DVI |
| 06:03.21 | mdadm | SyphonAI? google comes up empty on that |
| 06:03.22 | Flimzy | Azra`el: price? |
| 06:03.26 | _fevel_ | im not being able to install the nvidia driver...i trid every step here "http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html" |
| 06:03.34 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I'll probably stick with my cheap/free hardware for now. |
| 06:03.43 | _fevel_ | i think its because of the kernel |
| 06:03.48 | deadcat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:03.48 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 06:03.50 | _fevel_ | its the stock kernel |
| 06:04.02 | michal_d | man.. isdn until linux is a bit of a pain.. dial up modems have better support |
| 06:04.12 | spo0nman | hmm if my crontab entry is */5 * * * * /usr/monitor_log -l 'died' -f '/var/log/etrcom/*$(date +%Y%m%d).err' will i need to escape the *? this pacrticular crontab entry does not run if i remove the options to the script it runs fine... |
| 06:04.13 | michal_d | s/until/under |
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| 06:04.35 | michal_d | actually.. it's under debian not linux.. debian has the extra stuf for dial up modems but not for isdn |
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| 06:05.02 | litage | how does one get the return code from a prog/script that failed? |
| 06:05.34 | smacnay__ | is there a way to edit the XF86Config-4 file but still allow it to remain editable by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? Or does one just edit and run the md5sum command when wishing to restore it for dpkg-reconfigure configuration? |
| 06:05.36 | dondelelcaro | litage: $? |
| 06:05.52 | kamal- | any pattern matching guru? is it possible to evaluate if two patterns are equal without the string to match against? |
| 06:05.59 | Azra`el | k |
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| 06:06.18 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: depends on the pattern. The typical method is to compile them and see if they compile to the same pattern. |
| 06:06.41 | litage | thanks |
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| 06:07.28 | _fevel_ | which kernel is sarge coming with as stock nowadays?? |
| 06:07.41 | chealer | _fevel_: 2.4.27, 2.6.8 |
| 06:07.42 | dondelelcaro | _fevel_: depends |
| 06:07.58 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: let's say one pattern is more general than the other. both would match the the same string but i don't think it will compile to the same pattern |
| 06:08.05 | _fevel_ | depends of what? |
| 06:08.07 | chealer | _fevel_: you can find this stuff at packages.debian.org |
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| 06:08.28 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: then they're not equivalent... |
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| 06:08.43 | michal_d | does this make sense for a cronjob to ping once a minute? |
| 06:08.43 | michal_d | * * * * * root ping -c 1 aipqld |
| 06:09.08 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: FE, ^a?b?c?d?e?$ and ^$ would both match '', but wouldn't both match 'a' |
| 06:09.15 | Flimzy | I could also do dual-head w/o Xinerama... And could then run the displays at different bpp's w/o problem |
| 06:09.21 | huula | i've installed my nvidia drivers. i configured my X with debconf, and it listed nvidia as one of the modules to load. But, when i run xinit it says that it can't find my module. i see that the module is compiled and sits in the /lib/modules/kernel directory. any idea? |
| 06:09.31 | Azra`el | uh |
| 06:09.40 | chealer | huula: did you install nvidia-glx? |
| 06:09.43 | Azra`el | Flimzy: xinerama? Breaks Shit |
| 06:09.44 | huula | yes |
| 06:09.55 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: but if the second pattern was ^*$ |
| 06:09.58 | kamal- | it would |
| 06:10.00 | Flimzy | Azra`el: How do you run your dual-head then? |
| 06:10.00 | chealer | huula: what's the error message? |
| 06:10.06 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: that isn't a valid pattern |
| 06:10.10 | Azra`el | Flimzy, what do you mean? |
| 06:10.14 | Azra`el | an entry for each card |
| 06:10.18 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I'm running xinerama right nw... nothing _seems_ broken |
| 06:10.18 | Azra`el | for each screen |
| 06:10.21 | michal_d | actually.. make that: * * * * * root ping -c 1 aipqld >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 06:10.25 | michal_d | is that better? |
| 06:10.25 | Flimzy | Azra`el: yeah... you do that for Xinerama, too. |
| 06:10.29 | kamal- | would this be valid? ^.*$ |
| 06:10.30 | huula | the error message is that nvidia module can not be loaded |
| 06:10.40 | Azra`el | Flimzy: that'd cause the "no gl on second head" you know? |
| 06:10.47 | chealer | huula: hum...could you try modprobe nvidia? |
| 06:10.57 | Azra`el | Flimzy, what do you mean how do i run it then? |
| 06:11.02 | huula | ye i tried, said no found |
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| 06:11.07 | Azra`el | you set it up, and it Just Works(tm) |
| 06:11.17 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: you seem to be asking if there's anyway to programatically determine if a pattern matches a specific subset of the matches of another pattern? |
| 06:11.22 | chealer | huula: which install method did you use? |
| 06:11.23 | Flimzy | Azra`el: heh... yeah, it just worked for me, too |
| 06:11.28 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Then I enabled xinerama |
| 06:11.33 | Flimzy | Azra`el: And it still mostly works |
| 06:11.42 | Flimzy | Azra`el: and some things work better |
| 06:11.42 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: yes :) is that NP? |
| 06:11.45 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: that's not the same thing as equivalence. |
| 06:11.48 | Azra`el | Why'd you enable xinerama, anyway? |
| 06:11.48 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Is there any way to drag windows between displays w/o Xinerama? |
| 06:11.49 | huula | i installed using module-assistant, and then i install nvidia-glx, then i used debconf to configure X |
| 06:12.00 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: depends how complex the pattern language is, I'd imagine... but probably |
| 06:12.06 | Azra`el | Flimzy, how'd you make it NOT? |
| 06:12.10 | Flimzy | Azra`el: b/c I was under the impression that Xinerama was the only way to get the displays to work as a single desktop |
| 06:12.15 | arnon | I got error operation not permitted when I tried to change a file ownership , and I am root, what did I do wrong..? |
| 06:12.34 | Flimzy | Azra`el: before I enabled Xinerama, X started with two independant desktops, one on each display. |
| 06:12.44 | Azra`el | and the mouse was in one of them? |
| 06:12.48 | Azra`el | or both? |
| 06:12.51 | Azra`el | or..? |
| 06:12.53 | maher | arnon: try chattr |
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| 06:13.03 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I could move the mouse between them, as in xinerama mode |
| 06:13.17 | arnon | maher, can you give me an example... |
| 06:13.21 | Flimzy | Azra`el: But they had independant backgrounds, menu configs, and windows could not move between them, etc. |
| 06:13.33 | Flimzy | Azra`el: What WM/DE do you use? |
| 06:13.41 | Azra`el | Flimzy, that sounds mostly right, except i could move stuff between windows. |
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| 06:13.52 | kamal- | yeah .. because i have this particular problem that i have solved it going one way, but not the other. that is, given a set of patterns, would any 2 or more patterns match a particular string |
| 06:13.56 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Perhaps all that's handeled by the WM/DE in your setup, rather than by the X server |
| 06:14.17 | Azra`el | Flimzy, KDE 3.0 iir, it's been awhile since i yanked the matrox |
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| 06:14.40 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Hmm |
| 06:14.42 | chealer | huula: could you dpkg -l nvidia* |grep ii and tell which packages you have? |
| 06:14.42 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: it is hard for me because i can describe the problem, but i don't know what computer scientists group this class of problem as |
| 06:14.47 | Flimzy | Azra`el: I'm using KDE here, too... 3.2 IIRC |
| 06:14.56 | kamal- | so googling is a bit hard |
| 06:14.57 | Flimzy | Azra`el: maybe I'll play with non-Xinerama a bit more |
| 06:15.09 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: what exactly are you trying to do, though? |
| 06:15.24 | Flimzy | brb, gonna restart X |
| 06:15.52 | huula | chealer, is there a way i can dcc you my result, but have the irc client occupying my entire terminal, i'm in text mode. |
| 06:16.10 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: given a string, and a set of patterns, determine the most specific pattern that will match the string |
| 06:16.32 | chealer | huula: you can paste to #flood |
| 06:16.39 | maher | arnon: try lsattr file |
| 06:16.39 | dvshadow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.53 | nomad_cz | Hello. Could anyone please tell me for how long will be Woody supported (security updates) when Sarge is out ? |
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| 06:17.00 | huula | chealer, brb, i'llg ive you the result in a sec |
| 06:17.09 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: how are you measuring specificity? |
| 06:17.28 | arnon | maher, lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on blabla.txt |
| 06:17.28 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: depends. Potato was supported for 6-12 months, iirc. |
| 06:17.33 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: actual value versus wildcard |
| 06:17.45 | maher | arnon: what fs |
| 06:17.51 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: that you can figure out by evaluating each of the patterns against the string |
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| 06:18.09 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I see. Thank you very much. |
| 06:18.10 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: FE, use re 'debug'; in a perl script... |
| 06:18.14 | arnon | maher, smbfs |
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| 06:18.22 | huula | back |
| 06:18.45 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: right, and for all patterns that match, the one with the most number of actual value is the most specific. if there are more than one, choose the one with the least number of wildcard |
| 06:18.46 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: basically, oldstable is usually supported as long as the security team is willing to support it and enough people are using it to make it worthwhile |
| 06:18.57 | maher | arnon: ok - dunno about that |
| 06:19.00 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Well, I can't drag windows between desktops w/o Xinerama |
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| 06:19.12 | chealer | huula: can't you use another tty anyway? |
| 06:19.19 | huula | they are, NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver, NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.4.27, ...kernel module common, ... kernel module source |
| 06:19.21 | Azra`el | Flimzy: cool. |
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| 06:19.31 | huula | chealer, i don't have X |
| 06:19.35 | chealer | huula: just the names please |
| 06:19.40 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: if both actual value and wildcard is the same, arbitrarily choose one |
| 06:19.42 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Not cool... I want to be able to drag between desktops. hehe |
| 06:19.48 | Azra`el | why? |
| 06:19.51 | Azra`el | =D |
| 06:19.55 | Azra`el | anyways, have fun |
| 06:19.59 | chealer | huula: no need...doesn't Alt+F2 bring you to tty2? |
| 06:19.59 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Because that's useful! hehe |
| 06:20.03 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: now, i would like to test that last case but in absence of the string to match |
| 06:20.06 | Azra`el | i need to go find a bed to sleep in, and get some rest |
| 06:20.06 | Flimzy | Azra`el: You were able to before? |
| 06:20.10 | dondelelcaro | kamal-: yeah, walk through the output of perl's RE debugger |
| 06:20.13 | maher | kamal-: what does most number of actual value mean? |
| 06:20.16 | huula | let me see |
| 06:20.17 | Flimzy | Azra`el: Did you have to configure KDE that way specifically? |
| 06:20.19 | Azra`el | Flimzy, i remember being able to, after i killed xinerama |
| 06:20.26 | Azra`el | and it was an X thing. |
| 06:20.29 | Flimzy | Azra`el: hrm |
| 06:20.33 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Hmm ;) If I did not have to I would not move to Sarge at all. Everything works just perfect ;) |
| 06:20.42 | Azra`el | ~ |
| 06:20.58 | Flimzy | ewww |
| 06:21.00 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: hehe, see .. i don't even know what they are really called .. ok, like ^ab.*$ .. i define actual value as 'a' and 'b' |
| 06:21.03 | Flimzy | KDE has nasty bugs for dual display mode |
| 06:21.05 | huula | oh never knew i can do this , ty. chealer, that is the output i got from running dpkg nvidia* | grep ii |
| 06:21.10 | SexyKen | How do I use mime-construct to make the type for both a file and an html message? |
| 06:21.16 | Flimzy | (Imagine that!) |
| 06:21.28 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: yeah, the problem is that the older the version gets, the harder it is to provide security for it, since security fixes have to be backported, which takes a bit of work |
| 06:22.00 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: FE, there are bugs in php that haven't been fixed in stable because no one has been able to backport the fixes (for no other reason than PHP's code is a pile of shite) |
| 06:22.15 | dondelelcaro | [or perhaps, no one cares about php] |
| 06:22.32 | huula | i see, ok, let me give you the finales exactly |
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| 06:22.51 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Yeah. I know. The point is I do not expect to gain any additional fuctionality so it is just security matter ... which is quite sad I think. |
| 06:22.55 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: a bit of both ;) |
| 06:23.00 | arnon | ok, some hacker put files into my box and I couldn't delete it , chown gives me operation not permitted and I am root, please help |
| 06:23.06 | kamal- | dondelelcaro: one idea i have is to pattern match it to each other's pattern definition .. don't know if that'll work |
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| 06:23.19 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I mean I hate doing upgrades. And I am pretty afraid of it ;) |
| 06:23.27 | maher | arnon: you need to reformat the hd and reinstall |
| 06:23.30 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: yeah. If it's a really big deal, you can probably pay someone to support stable for as long as you need it |
| 06:23.41 | nvz | arnon: sounds to me like you are not root, because root has left the building |
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| 06:23.52 | nvz | in other words, you has been rooted |
| 06:24.10 | capitol | arnon: chattr maybe |
| 06:24.17 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: It is unlikely ;) But interesting idea anyway ;) |
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| 06:24.31 | arnon | nvz, actually the box is windows xp, and I am mounting the windows xp partition using my linux box, and I'm trying to delete the file from my linux box |
| 06:24.41 | capitol | arnon: but you should really just backup personalfiles and reinstall |
| 06:24.46 | simonrvn | oh boy.. |
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| 06:24.50 | nvz | arnon: too bad :P |
| 06:24.53 | huula | chealer, can i forward my output from my terminal to #flood anyway? |
| 06:24.55 | simonrvn | nah, it's r/o NTFS... |
| 06:25.00 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: but anyway, the upgrade really should be relatively painless once it is time to upgrade... that's one of the major points of Debian... |
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| 06:25.06 | arnon | nvz, there's nothing I can do with those files...? |
| 06:25.18 | nvz | arnon: not when the volume is mounted read-only |
| 06:25.18 | maher | arnon: you can't write to ntfs |
| 06:25.28 | nvz | arnon: boot windows |
| 06:25.36 | arnon | nvz, maher, I can create a new files |
| 06:25.44 | arnon | nvz, maher, I can create a new files on other directory |
| 06:25.49 | simonrvn | arnon: you need to have a partition where both winbloze and debian can write to it |
| 06:25.55 | arnon | nvz, maher, but I can't create anything on the directory that the hacker created |
| 06:26.10 | maher | arnon: just reinstall |
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| 06:26.42 | arnon | maher, I can't, not now at least, the windows box is a file server and many ppl are using right now |
| 06:26.45 | nvz | oh well, I sense its past bedtime |
| 06:26.54 | simonrvn | nvz: g'night |
| 06:27.09 | nvz | simonrvn: goodnight |
| 06:27.15 | arnon | simonrvn, I can create/delete anything on anywhere but inside the directory that the hacker created |
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| 06:27.32 | sh0rt | arnon, on ntfs? |
| 06:27.36 | michal_d | god dammit.. i'm stuck administering a piece of shit redhat 9 machine and loggin functions don't even work on it :/ |
| 06:27.39 | michal_d | loging |
| 06:27.42 | arnon | sh0rt, yes |
| 06:27.43 | michal_d | logging |
| 06:27.52 | simonrvn | arnon: is this dir where you mounted the winbloze partition, or is it really cracked? |
| 06:28.18 | arnon | simonrvn, yes it is the winbloze dir |
| 06:28.25 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I used to be the MS Windows guy - I still think re-installation is the clean way. And there are other issues - Exim 3 vs Exim 4 - it has changed a lot, samba etc. Simply said it is not meant to work out of the box, is it ? |
| 06:28.32 | simonrvn | then you haven't been cracked, silly |
| 06:28.59 | arnon | simonrvn, I mount the whole c: and I can create some files on c: but I can't do anything on this one directory that the hacker created |
| 06:29.00 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: nah, this is Debian. Minor reconfiguration may be necessary, but it's designed to be upgraded in place, without downtime, without restarting. |
| 06:29.28 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: in any case that reconfiguration is necessary, the package really should warn you and (if possible) reconfigure things for you. Otherwise it's a bug. |
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| 06:30.05 | sh0rt | arnon, its a directory in C? |
| 06:30.22 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: He he he ;) I was told so as well but I have some doubts anyway. Hmm. But maybe it is the time to put it in test ... ;) |
| 06:30.26 | arnon | sh0rt, yes |
| 06:30.37 | simonrvn | arnon: would help if you were clear on this. where did this cracker put his crap? what OS? have you run diagnostics yet? are you sure you were cracked? if so, reinstall and do not keep binary data, only audited data that isn't binary |
| 06:30.43 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: I must admit I admire your faith in Debian ;) |
| 06:30.47 | maher | nomad_cz: i have always been able to upgrade in place |
| 06:30.55 | capitol | arnon: a linux channel is maybe not the right place for windows-questions |
| 06:31.16 | nomad_cz | maher: Good to know. Obviously I have not tried it yet. |
| 06:31.24 | dondelelcaro | nomad_cz: well, that's not saying that you won't find bugs... just that they really are bugs, and people will try very hard to fix them. |
| 06:31.30 | sh0rt | arnon, what command are you using and what error are you getting |
| 06:31.47 | simonrvn | "i was hacked! i was hacked!" with or without exclamation points isn't in helping to diagnose wtf is going on |
| 06:31.52 | jorgp | what are some good webcam capture and video viewing apps for kde? |
| 06:31.55 | simonrvn | isn't good* |
| 06:32.13 | arnon | simonrvn, the cracker created a directory on c:, the directory contains files hidden from windows api, so I mount c: cd to the directory and able to see all the hidden files |
| 06:32.16 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: Ok then. I feel much better. |
| 06:32.22 | arnon | simonrvn, but I can't do anything with them |
| 06:32.25 | dvsdude | stick to the topic and f_ck windows users |
| 06:32.32 | nomad_cz | dondelelcaro: maher : Thanks a lot guys ... |
| 06:32.56 | simonrvn | ah ok. arnon then you need to find a windows channel or mailing list or forum. we don't support windows here |
| 06:33.01 | chealer | jorgp: you could ask #debian-kde |
| 06:33.06 | arnon | sh0rt, chown gives me operation not permitted |
| 06:33.13 | dvsdude | arnon no windows here go away windows users |
| 06:33.39 | arnon | please help, I am using debian to save the windows box |
| 06:33.49 | dvsdude | burn the windows box |
| 06:34.09 | Guerin_ | arnon: rescue data you can verify as untouched and nuke the rest |
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| 06:34.20 | dvshadow | ok, so it wouldnt boot from cd, so i made the floppy's |
| 06:34.20 | Guerin_ | arnon: remember the quote from Aliens |
| 06:34.27 | dvsdude | arnon see bartpe it might be a better way for you to rescue a win box if its ntfs partition not fat32 |
| 06:34.30 | dvshadow | and now it wont load vanilla |
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| 06:34.39 | Guerin_ | no |
| 06:34.39 | dvshadow | it just says boot: |
| 06:34.52 | dvshadow | ima gonna press enter |
| 06:34.54 | Guerin_ | there is no way to fix a compromised box other than to start again from scratch |
| 06:35.05 | arnon | dvsdude, what's bartpe?? the partition is ntfs |
| 06:35.05 | peterrooney | arnon: i don't think (and others may correct me on this if i'm wrong) that you can change file permissions on a mounted windows partition, nor would you need to - if you-really- needed to, you'd have to copy the dir over to a *nix file system |
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| 06:35.17 | dvsdude | arnon www.nu2.nu/pebuilder |
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| 06:35.19 | Guerin_ | peterrooney is not wrong |
| 06:35.23 | qwertz | Hi! Is there any way to set the standby/sleep time of a hd? My ftp-server hd needs 10 seconds to come up and goes in standby quite quickly but haven't found any parameter for this, at the moment I'm doing "touch /home/ftp/filename" in a cronjob. |
| 06:35.39 | arnon | peterrooney, I see, I am going to try that |
| 06:35.41 | Guerin_ | qwertz: hdparm? |
| 06:35.48 | dvshadow | nevermind |
| 06:35.56 | dvsdude | arnon bart pe is a windows rescue type disk you can create that can write to ntfs |
| 06:36.52 | nomad_cz | Zirland: Hi ;) |
| 06:37.05 | arnon | peterrooney, is there anyway to remove those file from the windows partition..? |
| 06:37.26 | sh0rt | arnon, rm -rf /path/to/directory |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin_ | ntfs doesn't have write support in linux |
| 06:38.34 | sh0rt | i think it does now just flaky |
| 06:38.45 | Guerin_ | no |
| 06:38.51 | Guerin_ | flaky = no write support |
| 06:39.07 | arnon | sh0rt, permission denied |
| 06:39.10 | dvsdude | arnon linux will break your ntfs |
| 06:39.11 | qwertz | Guerin, tanks found it! |
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| 06:39.20 | peterrooney | arnon: sure, NTFS write support is experimental atm, but you'd be better off wiping the drive. |
| 06:39.37 | Guerin_ | arnon: rescue data you can verify as untouched and nuke the rest |
| 06:39.40 | Guerin_ | just do it |
| 06:39.45 | morph__ | anyone tell me where debian has gtk-config or what provides it? |
| 06:39.54 | dvsdude | arnon go the bartpe way if you don't want to wide your drive and start again |
| 06:40.01 | Guerin_ | you'll spend 10x as long fucking around not fixing it as you will just reinstalling the whole damn shop from scratch |
| 06:40.01 | peterrooney | arnon: which an attempt to write to an NTFS partition might just do for you anyways :) |
| 06:40.34 | mwilson | morph__: In libgtk1.2-dev... where else would it be? |
| 06:40.49 | morph__ | oh, silly me... |
| 06:40.49 | arnon | I am mounting the partition using smbfs, is that the same as ntfs ? |
| 06:41.06 | arnon | sh0rt, permission not permitted |
| 06:41.13 | arnon | sh0rt, operation not permitted |
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| 06:41.44 | maher | arnon: no - your server is hosed - the crack probably broke the xp smb code or something |
| 06:41.52 | sh0rt | looks like your stuffed, reinstall |
| 06:42.05 | arnon | damm |
| 06:42.36 | peterrooney | arnon: Stop. Exhale. Any data on that drive cannot be trusted to be correct, and any binary on it can't be trusted to not make your spouse cheat on you. |
| 06:42.38 | dvsdude | arnon ARE U PEOPLE DEF THIS IS DEBIAN CHANNEL AND BARTPE IS THE ANSWER FOR NTFS |
| 06:42.52 | dvsdude | i'm in a shit stirring mod |
| 06:42.54 | simonrvn | dvsdude: STFU |
| 06:42.55 | dvsdude | lol |
| 06:42.56 | dondelelcaro | !tell dvsdude about caps |
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| 06:43.30 | peterrooney | arnon: You may inhale now. Don't hold your breath again. |
| 06:43.30 | dvsdude | dondelelcaro i know im shouting tool their not listening |
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| 06:43.36 | simonrvn | i don't see "windows" anywhere in the channel name |
| 06:43.43 | maher | dvsdude: use /ignore |
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| 06:43.52 | mwilson | wtf is "bartpe"? |
| 06:43.59 | simonrvn | and it's "they're" FYI |
| 06:44.41 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: I think he means captiventfs or something |
| 06:44.54 | arnon | dvsdude, can I delete those hacker's files with bartpe? |
| 06:44.54 | dvsdude | mwilson bartpe is a pre install enviroment that boots to windows desktop and allows you to access bad hard drives do repairs www.nu2.nu/pebuilder |
| 06:45.15 | dvsdude | arnon you can delete or modify any files |
| 06:45.40 | arnon | dvsdude, those files are hidden from windows api, can bartpe see it ? |
| 06:45.58 | dvsdude | I GIVE UP |
| 06:46.10 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, take the windows help questions elsewhere |
| 06:46.31 | arnon | ok, thank you for the advise everyone, I appreciate it |
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| 06:46.42 | capitol | arnon: install debian on the machine ;) |
| 06:47.29 | arnon | capitol, I can't, I have a program that do word document to html conversion on the fly on the machine |
| 06:47.45 | arnon | capitol, and I am using word ole to do it.. |
| 06:47.47 | lrojas | jezz |
| 06:47.49 | Guerin | arnon: oh, because no tool in debian can do that |
| 06:48.01 | arnon | Guerin, is there ? |
| 06:48.04 | jjjeff | does anyone know vmware? |
| 06:48.06 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 06:48.13 | arnon | Guerin, what is that ? |
| 06:48.16 | Guerin | jjjeff: some people who wrote it probably do |
| 06:48.26 | Guerin | arnon: there are multitudes. Openoffice.org is one |
| 06:48.34 | Guerin | arnon: antiword + perl |
| 06:48.38 | jjjeff | anyone in here perhaps? i need help burning cds in it |
| 06:48.42 | dondelelcaro | jjjeff: #vmware does |
| 06:49.09 | jjjeff | thx |
| 06:49.27 | arnon | Guerin, those will be able to convert word to html perfectly? |
| 06:49.34 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 06:49.47 | Guerin | no tool on this good earth can do that feat of magic |
| 06:49.49 | maher | arnon: think about the question you asked |
| 06:49.58 | Guerin | well, actually |
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| 06:50.14 | Guerin | antiword + perl will - in the hands of the right user |
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| 06:51.13 | arnon | ok, the machine is doing conversion from word to html doc for reporting, document quality and format is important or else my manager won't like it |
| 06:51.31 | arnon | so I kind of stuck on using windows |
| 06:51.39 | Guerin | if your manager cared about quality, he wouldn't allow people to write anything important in word |
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| 06:51.47 | maher | arnon: try openoffice and see what it looks like - if its not satisfactory don't use it |
| 06:51.49 | nima | hi all |
| 06:51.54 | dvsdude | guerin u rock |
| 06:52.08 | arnon | Guerin, what can I do, my manager start his job before I arrived |
| 06:52.11 | dondelelcaro | whatever you want to use, this isn't the channel to talk about Windows. |
| 06:52.12 | Guerin | openoffice's filters and mungers are streets ahead of word's, too |
| 06:52.23 | genixx | "apt-setup" don't ask about non-US, contrib etc, which command ask about this? |
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| 06:52.39 | Guerin | my wife converted a bunch of her university work with them, made a nice side-by-side comparison |
| 06:52.40 | arnon | someday I will try openoffice |
| 06:52.43 | dondelelcaro | genixx: nothing does. non-US isn't needed anymore, and the others you can add manually. |
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| 06:53.05 | genixx | dondelelcaro, is not non-US needed anymore, why? |
| 06:53.13 | dondelelcaro | !crypto in main |
| 06:53.14 | dpkg | it has been said that crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain> |
| 06:53.17 | dondelelcaro | genixx: ^^^^ |
| 06:53.36 | nima | i have a question: how to disable acpi for pci? im using lilo... what do i have to add to lilo.conf? |
| 06:53.50 | Guerin | given that woody was released a year later - why wasn't it in main for woody? |
| 06:53.54 | Guerin | or was it? |
| 06:54.05 | Guerin | nima: acpi=off |
| 06:54.05 | arnon | later everyone |
| 06:54.11 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it was in main. There still is a non-US, but most things in there are just unmaintained. |
| 06:54.17 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 06:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: potato was the last released distribution to actually use non-US |
| 06:54.25 | nima | Guerin: u sure? :] |
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| 06:54.42 | DoctaBu | GWAE |
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| 06:55.13 | DoctaBu | Debian sarge hates my laptop |
| 06:55.14 | Guerin | grep acpi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:55.15 | Guerin | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9.magpie root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=789 acpi=off |
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| 06:56.31 | DoctaBu | I'm back!!! |
| 06:56.52 | cat | you are? |
| 06:57.14 | DoctaBu | mmhmm |
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| 06:58.43 | lrojas | woud it be a real expectation to get all this working on a machine? LAMP, WINE, CEDEGA, Mono-Project, PPTP MPPE, FireWire, USB FileSystem, gtkPod, QuickTime, mp3, DivX, RealMedia. |
| 06:59.12 | lrojas | or would i be just deluding myself into pursuing a futile project? |
| 06:59.34 | llama32 | im making another box out of my old hardware... what would be better? a) pentium 200mmx + 96mb, or b) 266mhz celeron + 64mb? im guessing a... |
| 06:59.50 | Guerin | since quicktime isn't ported to linux... |
| 06:59.57 | genix | Can I use: "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 07:00.09 | jm_ | genix: /msg dpkg security |
| 07:00.10 | Guerin | llama32: ram > cpu |
| 07:00.16 | maher | lrojas: i have 6 of those working - don't know what most of the others are |
| 07:00.25 | atrus | is there a program that would pick up audio off a recording source and instantly play it back with a minimum of latency? |
| 07:00.32 | Guerin | llama32: what do you mean by 'working' |
| 07:00.38 | lrojas | maher wich you got working? |
| 07:00.46 | Guerin | atrus: cat |
| 07:01.00 | maher | lrojas: lamp wine fw usb mp3 realplayer |
| 07:01.01 | llama32 | Geurin: i said working? |
| 07:01.04 | Guerin | atrus: oh, my bad - rec and cat |
| 07:01.09 | atrus | Guerin: hm.. how would that work? (under alsa) |
| 07:01.34 | llama32 | Geurin: think that was meant for lrojas |
| 07:01.34 | Guerin | llama32: wtf does 'working' mean - do you need the specific apps themselves, or just workalikes? |
| 07:01.39 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:01.41 | Guerin | my bad |
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| 07:01.44 | llama32 | lol |
| 07:01.48 | Guerin | lrojas: ^^^ |
| 07:02.12 | llama32 | being right is good too :) |
| 07:02.29 | lrojas | cedega = WineX, Mono = .NET for Linux, PPTP mppe = VPN Authentication in Windows Networks, DivX = DVD decoder, gtkPod = iPod manager |
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| 07:03.22 | lrojas | Guerin, i need to know if i can expect to make all that to work... in debian, and what flavor would i be more succesfull |
| 07:03.43 | Guerin | lrojas: the specific programs? No. Workalikes? Potentially. |
| 07:03.49 | Guerin | lrojas: can I light a fire? |
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| 07:04.06 | atrus | Guerin: basically i'm trying to get my line-in to to the dsp so i can get stereo->surround mapping on it |
| 07:04.06 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 07:04.15 | DoctaBu | So Debian WILL NOT install with my computer. |
| 07:04.16 | DoctaBu | At all. |
| 07:04.20 | llama32 | lrojas: wine seems to work ok and DivX would be pretty popular too so it likely would... i think theres "quicktime for java" but i dont think theres a linux version (why quicktime?) |
| 07:04.22 | lrojas | Guerin, what do you mean workalikes... ? |
| 07:04.24 | DoctaBu | Is there a way to install Debian with a diskette? |
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| 07:04.41 | lrojas | Quicktime codecs could work also |
| 07:04.43 | Guerin | lrojas: quicktime isn't ported to linux, but mplayer will play quicktime video. |
| 07:04.50 | lrojas | ok |
| 07:04.52 | Guerin | with the right codecs, naturally |
| 07:04.58 | lrojas | naturally |
| 07:05.01 | DoctaBu | Any idea anybody? |
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| 07:05.14 | jm_ | DoctaBu: read installation manual |
| 07:05.19 | maher | DoctaBu: your hw is rubbish - get a better computer |
| 07:05.24 | Guerin | !tell DoctaBu about ig |
| 07:05.39 | lrojas | so if i dive head first in a debian install could i expect to have all that working by monday even if i dont know "the debian way" ? |
| 07:05.49 | DoctaBu | maher- I cannot |
| 07:05.56 | jm_ | lrojas: judging by your question, the answer is hell no |
| 07:06.03 | DoctaBu | And I've installed so many things on this PC, this is the first problem it has had. |
| 07:06.30 | DoctaBu | Sarge just doesn't like it. |
| 07:06.30 | lrojas | that's just sad |
| 07:06.30 | Guerin | lrojas: can I light a fire? |
| 07:06.30 | zamolxes | lrojas, qref.sf.net |
| 07:06.30 | maher | DoctaBu: oh - is this the ancient laptop you are trying to install on or something else? |
| 07:06.30 | lrojas | Guerin, sure |
| 07:06.33 | DoctaBu | Yes, ancient laptop. |
| 07:06.49 | maher | DoctaBu: well run something else on it then |
| 07:06.50 | Guerin | lrojas: how do you know? I might be so completely fucking useless, have no fuel, no matches and nowhere to light it |
| 07:06.53 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, what happened to woody |
| 07:07.03 | Guerin | lrojas: for all we know, you're the same when it comes to your computer. |
| 07:07.03 | DoctaBu | I tried updating the kernel |
| 07:07.09 | DoctaBu | And stuff, and I screwed it up big time. |
| 07:07.31 | DoctaBu | If I installed woody again, could I get help through the partitioning part? I tried it last night with the manual and failed miserably. |
| 07:07.45 | maher | DoctaBu: you mean you managed to install woody on it? |
| 07:08.04 | DoctaBu | I did, earlier. |
| 07:08.11 | Guerin | do it again |
| 07:08.11 | sh0rt | just do what you didlast time |
| 07:08.13 | maher | DoctaBu: is woody still on it? |
| 07:08.15 | DoctaBu | But then I tried to update the kernel to like 2.something |
| 07:08.17 | Guerin | and don't fuck up the kernel upgrade this time |
| 07:08.19 | DoctaBu | and then it error'd out |
| 07:08.21 | DoctaBu | Ok. |
| 07:08.24 | lrojas | well, the fact that i am asking about very specific topics might give you a clue, true, i am no Debian expert, heck i am no linux expert, but what i was asking if all thos technologies can be made to work toguether without breaking my system |
| 07:08.26 | DoctaBu | brb |
| 07:08.43 | maher | lrojas: probably - no idea how long it would take |
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| 07:09.13 | kernel_dan | does gentoo have a better community than debian? |
| 07:09.25 | Guerin | lrojas: i'm pretty sure all those things are implemented in linux, and it'll be possible for a competent user to get them all working |
| 07:09.38 | zamolxes | lrojas, man, i was assisted by a friend via irc, took a long night to have a system up and running - when i made the switch to debian :) |
| 07:09.40 | Guerin | presuming decent hardware and, um, skill |
| 07:09.51 | maher | kernel_dan: lurk here and in #gentoo and see |
| 07:09.52 | zamolxes | lrojas, and qref.sf.net :) |
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| 07:10.17 | Guerin | lrojas: the thing is that you're thinking in terms of brand names rather than actual components. You'll run into trouble if you keep on that way. |
| 07:10.21 | tejing | I'm an irc newbie. how do I search the list of channels? |
| 07:10.33 | Guerin | tejing: depends on your client |
| 07:10.48 | Guerin | kernel_dan: no |
| 07:10.48 | dondelelcaro | tejing: /msg chanserv help list |
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| 07:11.10 | tejing | Guerin: I've got a really simple text client. might as well be telnet. |
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| 07:11.28 | kernel_dan | Guerin: is there an debian equal to forums.gentoo.org? |
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| 07:11.37 | jm_ | I somehow doubt you'd manage to successfuly connect to IRC with telnet |
| 07:11.39 | Guerin | kernel_dan: no, debian doesn't do fora |
| 07:12.18 | witless | is dpkg-reconfigure supposed to write a new XF86Config-4 file? it doesn't seem to be... |
| 07:12.21 | witless | sorry |
| 07:12.24 | kernel_dan | Guerin: how can debian have a better community if they have fewer people in the IRC and not even have a forum? |
| 07:12.33 | Guerin | witless: read the comments in that file |
| 07:12.34 | witless | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:12.41 | jm_ | witless: it does if you don't fuck with the file, read the file carefully |
| 07:12.41 | cat | kernel_dan: then star one |
| 07:12.42 | cat | of you'r own |
| 07:12.43 | maher | kernel_dan: is that like debian-user mailing list? |
| 07:12.43 | witless | ah - md5sum? |
| 07:12.47 | zamolxes | kernel_dan, on the other hand .. http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 07:12.58 | maher | kernel_dan: i guess we're totally lame |
| 07:12.58 | Guerin | kernel_dan: quantity != quality; you didn't specify what kind of community or any parameters, so I answered from my opinion |
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| 07:13.12 | kernel_dan | debian sucks |
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| 07:13.20 | Guerin | kernel_dan: you're basically just trolling, so I thought I'd troll back |
| 07:13.23 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:13.26 | Guerin | winnah! |
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| 07:13.38 | DoctaBu | ok, I'm installing woody. |
| 07:13.41 | DoctaBu | (again) |
| 07:13.56 | nima | a question: i just uninstalled a kernel-image that i was booting... how do i modifi lilo to boot a kernel-image that i have instaled? |
| 07:13.56 | DoctaBu | now, how do I get my orinoco_cs drivers onto this system?? |
| 07:13.57 | zamolxes | huhuh - he said 'woody' |
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| 07:14.17 | cat | nima: when you installed the kernel-image it tells you right there what to do |
| 07:14.20 | Guerin | nima: never uninstall a working kernel image until you've verified the new one will work |
| 07:14.21 | cat | to /etc/lilo.conf |
| 07:14.22 | tejing | dondelelcaro: but no matter what I put after /list, I get and empty list back |
| 07:14.29 | man_in_shack | are there any font editors for X in apt? |
| 07:14.30 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, get woody installed first |
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| 07:14.31 | DoctaBu | Guys: |
| 07:14.43 | Guerin | !tell man_in_shack about search |
| 07:14.45 | dondelelcaro | tejing: I said /msg chanserv help list; not /list... |
| 07:14.49 | XbruceX | Is NNTP authentication clear-text like FTP? |
| 07:14.55 | DoctaBu | Guys: "It seems that at least one of your CDROM drives contains a disk with installable packages. Do you want to use this as the primary installation medium and skip the manual selection?" |
| 07:14.56 | nima | cat: but i cant install a new kernel-image... my cd rom stoped working |
| 07:15.00 | Guerin | XbruceX: yes |
| 07:15.05 | cat | try installing it by apt |
| 07:15.19 | nima | cat: i have no nwetwork conection |
| 07:15.25 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, yes |
| 07:15.36 | DoctaBu | ok. |
| 07:15.40 | DoctaBu | I think I did No last time |
| 07:15.43 | cat | sux |
| 07:15.43 | Guerin | nima: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - the original kernel package might be in there |
| 07:16.01 | tejing | dondelelcaro: yea, I did that, and I assume that to find all channels about debian I'd do "/list #*debian*" but what I get from that command is an empty list |
| 07:16.06 | lrojas | ok, i will begin the process, hope i dont screw up too much... |
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| 07:16.23 | Guerin | lrojas: before you do anything, read... |
| 07:16.25 | genix | should avoid to use contrib and non-free in security updates: "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" ? |
| 07:16.27 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 07:16.27 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 07:16.39 | dondelelcaro | tejing: no, you'd /msg chanserv list #*debian* |
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| 07:16.46 | Guerin | genix: non-free almost never gets security updates for obvious reasons. |
| 07:17.01 | nima | Guerin: no it isnt there |
| 07:17.09 | Guerin | nima: sucks to be you, then. |
| 07:17.13 | genix | Guerin, what about contrib? |
| 07:17.17 | tejing | dondelelcaro: oh, lol. thnx |
| 07:17.36 | Guerin | genix: contrib is free software which depends on non-free, so it's useless without non-free |
| 07:18.00 | genix | Guerin, Good to know... thanks |
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| 07:20.42 | dvsdude | hey I want to bypass a proxy server to get irc at work on my debian box any suggestions |
| 07:20.56 | SerajewelKS | holy sh... |
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| 07:21.06 | DoctaBu | Ok. I have woody running correctly. |
| 07:21.10 | SerajewelKS | is it normal that an SVCD encoded with transcode appears upside-down and inverted? |
| 07:21.16 | DoctaBu | What's next? |
| 07:21.23 | genix | Guerin, and what's the description for main? |
| 07:21.26 | jm_ | yes, if you passed wrong parameters to transcode |
| 07:21.33 | Guerin | genix: eh? |
| 07:21.47 | SerajewelKS | oh, and that the audio is all staticy |
| 07:21.52 | Guerin | dvsdude: start looking for a new job |
| 07:21.54 | genix | Guerin, in sources.list |
| 07:21.55 | sciboy | Hi, i just got a 200gig external USB2 hard disk and i was wondering what filesystem i should put onto it if i wish to share the drive with my (windows xp) dad? |
| 07:21.59 | Guerin | dvsdude: because you might get fired :) |
| 07:22.04 | karsten | dvsdude: Find out if that's a firing offense. |
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| 07:22.16 | maher | sciboy: vfat |
| 07:22.28 | genix | Guerin, "main/contrib", what is the description for main? |
| 07:22.31 | sciboy | maher, vfat translates to what under windows? |
| 07:22.39 | maher | sciboy: fat32 i think |
| 07:22.47 | sciboy | maher, Cool, thanks. |
| 07:23.13 | tejing | rzllwft9194 |
| 07:23.14 | Guerin | genix: main is the bulk of debian software - free and policy-compliant. contrib is a subset of main, encumbered by the fact that it depends upon something non-free or otherwise noncompliant |
| 07:23.18 | tejing | oops |
| 07:23.20 | tejing | sry |
| 07:23.22 | karsten | sciboy: DOS FS / FAT32, generally. There's a number of DOS filesystems, most can be mounted vfat. |
| 07:23.24 | cromd | greetings all. My boss wants me to code something that, from windows, captures the text on a *nix console and does stuff with it. He's got an expensive SDK to deal with this, fine, but i'm wondering, is that neccessary? |
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| 07:24.00 | karsten | cromd: What text? |
| 07:24.05 | Guerin | cromd: you're coding it on windows? ask in a windows programming cchannel |
| 07:24.12 | dvsdude | karsten so how can i do it I understand what your saying |
| 07:24.14 | karsten | cromd: Most of the time you can simply run the command and pipe it in. Particularly via, say, ssh. |
| 07:24.17 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, put sarge cd edit apt sources to say sarge |
| 07:24.27 | cromd | karsten, anything, he wants screen dumps |
| 07:24.32 | karsten | dvsdude: Find and read the firewall-piercing howto. |
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| 07:24.43 | karsten | cromd: Qualify. |
| 07:24.54 | dvsdude | karsten cheers i will have a look |
| 07:25.02 | karsten | cromd: ...or give examples. Is this an interactive tool? |
| 07:25.04 | maher | cromd: this is really a windows question - this is very easy on any unix |
| 07:25.07 | cromd | sorry Guerin, i'm not quite explaining myself properly but i'm also sorry to offend, i'll leave it be |
| 07:25.10 | Guerin | yeah, trivial |
| 07:25.22 | Guerin | you haven't offended me, you're just offtopic |
| 07:25.35 | Guerin | which is neither unusual nor offensive |
| 07:25.39 | DoctaBu | what, sh0rt? |
| 07:25.45 | genix | Guerin, where did you read about that |
| 07:25.48 | cromd | that's what i thought karsten, just do something with puTty or the like, anyway, better drop it here by the sound of it ... thanks for your time anyway |
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| 07:25.59 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, you have the sarge cd? |
| 07:26.05 | karsten | cromd: You've got blessing from me, at least to the extent this concerns Linux. I'm pretty unclear on what you want. |
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| 07:26.06 | Guerin | genix: debian.org/doc |
| 07:26.24 | cromd | maher, you're quite right, i've done it myself from within Debian |
| 07:26.36 | karsten | cromd: Tools like Cygwin, MKS, or MSFT SFU (services for Unix) will give you Windows tools to do most of this. |
| 07:26.49 | spo0nman | anyone knows if I can use the astrix (*) as argument to a crontab entry? |
| 07:26.55 | karsten | cromd: Cygwin and SFU are freely available, Cygwin is Free Sfotware. |
| 07:27.03 | karsten | spo0nman: Um. At least five. |
| 07:27.03 | maher | cromd: you just need to find an ssh client which does something useful - but i don't know anythign about windows ssh clients |
| 07:27.04 | cromd | thanks for the tip karsten, greatly appreciated, i'll check them out. |
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| 07:27.14 | DoctaBu | yes, sh0rt |
| 07:27.14 | genix | Guerin, can you pls give me the full url |
| 07:27.15 | spo0nman | karsten: hmm if my crontab entry is */5 * * * * /usr/monitor_log -l 'died' -f '/var/log/etrcom/*$(date +%Y%m%d).err' will i need to escape the *? this pacrticular crontab entry does not run if i remove the options to the script it runs fine... |
| 07:27.30 | Chris62vw | I've been looking on google for instructions on how to install realplayer... any tips you guys could give me? thanks |
| 07:27.34 | Chris62vw | and mplayer too |
| 07:27.35 | Guerin | genix: no, because I don't know exactly where. It's in the policy manual someplace |
| 07:27.35 | karsten | spo0nman: man 5 crontab. After the time specification fields, '*' isn't reserved, but may get globbed by the shell. |
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| 07:28.01 | maher | Chris62vw: ask dpkg about marillat - there used to be a realplayer installer in non-free |
| 07:28.05 | Guerin | Chris62vw: install xine; get real codecs; watch fakemedia in xine |
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| 07:28.10 | Chris62vw | thanks maher |
| 07:28.12 | karsten | spo0nman: AFAIK, not necessary. |
| 07:28.13 | genix | Guerin, ok |
| 07:28.17 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, go to /etc/apt/sources and change where the line says about cd and change woody to sarge |
| 07:28.17 | spo0nman | karsten: hmm, whats peculiar is that *this* cron entry does not run at all.... its not about giving an error |
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| 07:28.20 | Guerin | or mplayer |
| 07:28.33 | Chris62vw | Guerin, xine works as good as mplayer? I tried totem but it doesn't play mpg's well. |
| 07:28.46 | Guerin | Chris62vw: totem is shit; just use xine or mplayer |
| 07:28.53 | Chris62vw | cool, thanks! |
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| 07:29.04 | karsten | spo0nman: man 5 crontab. crontab(5) format is defined there. |
| 07:29.42 | karsten | cromd: Still here? |
| 07:29.50 | jm_ | Chris62vw: download realplayer from their site, run the installer, tell it to install somewhere into /usr/local |
| 07:30.00 | cromd | yes karsten, why? |
| 07:30.02 | karsten | spo0nman: I suspect you've got other problems. Try constructing a test case. |
| 07:30.09 | maher | Chris62vw: i think the realplayer installeris also maintained by marillat |
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| 07:30.12 | sciboy | Grrrr. |
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| 07:30.32 | sciboy | I just mounted the drive but it says there is only 1gig of space >=( |
| 07:30.48 | sciboy | There is 200gigs damnit! |
| 07:30.51 | maher | spo0nman: check perms |
| 07:30.52 | Guerin | sciboy: rm -r /home/sciboy/porn |
| 07:30.58 | sciboy | =P |
| 07:30.59 | karsten | spo0nman: If the format's in error, you should get an error message when using 'crontab' to create a user crontab. |
| 07:31.15 | sciboy | Any serious ideas on what the problem may be? |
| 07:31.19 | karsten | spo0nman: If this is a system crontab (/etc/cron.*/* file), you need to specify the user the program runs as. |
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| 07:31.38 | spo0nman | hmm, I tested all night long ... if i remove the special characters it works fine with the -l '' and -f '' |
| 07:31.57 | karsten | spo0nman: Um. /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.d/ |
| 07:32.02 | sh0rt | sciboy, didnt mount your swap? |
| 07:32.06 | karsten | spo0nman: /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} is different. |
| 07:32.12 | witless | is it dangerous to remove a USB hard drive without unmounting it if it's been mounted read-only? |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | witless: not really |
| 07:32.41 | karsten | witless: Um. It's not advisible. |
| 07:32.42 | spo0nman | karsten: I told you if i remove the special characters the job runs every five minutes. |
| 07:32.42 | maher | sciboy: did you format the drive? |
| 07:32.51 | karsten | Guerin: I disagree. If there's unflushed data, yes, it's bad. |
| 07:33.08 | Guerin | it's never advisable, but if it's not going to write to disk, it's not going to harm data |
| 07:33.08 | spo0nman | maher: its not a permission problem other wise the cron will run and give errors, the job does not even come to /var/log/cron |
| 07:33.12 | maher | spo0nman: remove the special chars then? |
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| 07:33.30 | sciboy | maher, under windows xp, and i don't trust it. I am grabbing a partitioning tool for linux atm. |
| 07:33.33 | karsten | spo0nman: $() won't resolve in single quotes. |
| 07:33.35 | spo0nman | maher: then it workd fine. but i need it. so all im asking is does anyone know how to escape them? |
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| 07:33.40 | karsten | spo0nman: That's a bash issue. |
| 07:33.48 | maher | spo0nman: what sort of special chars? |
| 07:34.00 | spo0nman | my crontab entry is */5 * * * * /usr/monitor_log -l 'died' -f '/var/log/etrcom/*$(date +%Y%m%d).err' |
| 07:34.11 | karsten | spo0nman: echo "$( date )" == date |
| 07:34.23 | karsten | spo0nman: echo '$( date ) == $( date )' |
| 07:34.26 | spo0nman | karsten: monitor_log is a perlscript which uses the *$ |
| 07:34.35 | karsten | spo0nman: ...where 'date' on left in first instance is the actual date. |
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| 07:34.46 | karsten | spo0nman: Change your single quotes to double. |
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| 07:34.51 | karsten | spo0nman: Humor me. |
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| 07:35.39 | karsten | spo0nman: ...or try it from the command line and see if it works. Your cron job runs in bash just as written. |
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| 07:35.51 | spo0nman | karsten: it runs from command line :) |
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| 07:36.00 | Guerin | it shouldn't |
| 07:36.09 | chealer | d-i RC3 is released! hurra! :) |
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| 07:36.22 | karsten | spo0nman: Did it create the file you expected? |
| 07:36.30 | deadcat | chealer: whats the diff? |
| 07:36.31 | spo0nman | Guerin: talking to me? |
| 07:36.33 | Guerin | chealer: i really, truly thought sarge would be released before my birthday |
| 07:36.56 | spo0nman | is anyone listening to me? |
| 07:37.04 | chealer | Guerin: you mean the one last year? :) |
| 07:37.05 | karsten | Guerin: Look at the bright side. |
| 07:37.08 | karsten | Guerin: ...you're not getting any older. |
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| 07:37.16 | chealer | haha |
| 07:37.19 | cromd | i didn't realise sarge was a release ... does it get officially released? |
| 07:37.19 | Guerin | chealer: no, the one I just had |
| 07:37.29 | Guerin | which caused me to lose the sarge pool |
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| 07:37.34 | chealer | seriously, I also think the cycle is too long, but this is a nice step |
| 07:37.35 | Guerin | cromd: eventually.... |
| 07:37.36 | spo0nman | I said that /var/log/cron does not show the command if i have -f '/var/log/etrcom/*$(date +%Y%m%d).err' otherwise the script works expectedly |
| 07:37.42 | karsten | cromd: sarge is a release. 'Sid' == unstable. Always. |
| 07:38.25 | spo0nman | anyways thanks for the time guys... |
| 07:38.31 | karsten | spo0nman: What's "/var/log/etrcon/*$(date +%Y%m%d).err" supposed to be? I'm guessing it's a logfile specification. |
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| 07:38.45 | Guerin | it's a logfile name or names |
| 07:38.57 | cromd | thanks for clearing that karsten. so when sarge gets released, that's the next "release" of debian? |
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| 07:39.03 | maher | cromd: etch |
| 07:39.05 | karsten | spo0nman: ...and I'm also guessing that you _want_ that to expand, on the shell, to a specific name? Or do you create multiple files at multiple times? |
| 07:39.13 | spo0nman | karsten: etrcon is suppossed to creat daily log files ... |
| 07:39.25 | karsten | spo0nman: Is there one logfile created per instance? |
| 07:39.33 | karsten | spo0nman: You want double quotes, dude. |
| 07:39.36 | spo0nman | karsten: no the perscript expands the expression |
| 07:39.44 | karsten | cromd: etch. |
| 07:39.53 | karsten | spo0nman: Humor me. |
| 07:39.55 | Guerin | cromd: yes |
| 07:39.59 | spo0nman | karsten: if you insist i'll try double quotes :) |
| 07:40.07 | spo0nman | brb |
| 07:40.09 | cromd | i'll byte, what does 'etch' mean? |
| 07:40.10 | sh0rt | what is etch |
| 07:40.15 | cromd | thanks Guerin |
| 07:40.15 | Guerin | !etch |
| 07:40.16 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 07:40.16 | markybob | sh0rt, the next testing |
| 07:40.52 | karsten | cromd: Debian releases are named from characters in Toy Story. |
| 07:41.07 | cat | yeah |
| 07:41.11 | karsten | !tell cromd about release names |
| 07:41.12 | cat | potato woody sid sarge |
| 07:41.28 | Guerin | i should see ts2 some time |
| 07:41.33 | cromd | dare i ask why? |
| 07:41.35 | karsten | cat: Every time I see your damned nick, I think it's a command. |
| 07:41.41 | markybob | cromd, shits and giggles |
| 07:41.45 | karsten | Guerin: I should see TS sometime. |
| 07:41.47 | Guerin | cromd: bruce perens worked for pixar |
| 07:41.51 | karsten | cromd: Because. |
| 07:41.53 | cat | lol |
| 07:41.55 | Guerin | karsten: it's worth a look |
| 07:41.55 | cat | get us to it ;P |
| 07:42.03 | cromd | karsten, you sound like my mother :) |
| 07:42.10 | karsten | cromd: Bruce Perens, one-time Debian Project Leader. |
| 07:42.15 | karsten | Guerin: I've seen bits. |
| 07:42.18 | markybob | i liked my answer better |
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| 07:42.26 | Guerin | markybob: it's true as well |
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| 07:42.34 | karsten | cromd: If I look like her, I'm scared for you. |
| 07:42.46 | Guerin | any excuse for a naming scheme |
| 07:43.31 | *** part/#debian chealer (chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc) |
| 07:43.39 | SyphonAI | anyone had a problem where their netinstall CD wouldn't load everything during the detect and mount part at the begining of the install ? |
| 07:43.45 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 07:43.53 | cromd | karsten, i'm not touching that, but everyone's mother's beautifull anyway |
| 07:44.04 | Guerin | cromd: aww, that's sweet |
| 07:44.10 | markybob | and a lie |
| 07:44.15 | cromd | not sweet, just plain fact |
| 07:44.15 | Guerin | SlayerXP: wotcher mate |
| 07:44.31 | Guerin | SlayerXP: are you in Norway yet? |
| 07:44.54 | simonrvn | Guerin: you read my mind |
| 07:45.09 | Guerin | ah, I wasn't sure if I was even imagining it |
| 07:45.12 | sh0rt | SyphonAI, wheres it hang |
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| 07:45.30 | SlayerXP | Guerin: no, likely to be in the UK for some months yet |
| 07:45.33 | SyphonAI | it will detect the CD then the part just after that... |
| 07:45.36 | SyphonAI | like scanning |
| 07:45.49 | Guerin | SlayerXP: oh... why? |
| 07:45.57 | SyphonAI | it will just not go farther, but the CD will spin |
| 07:46.01 | Guerin | SlayerXP: now is probably the time to go if you want some daylight |
| 07:46.02 | DoctaBu | hey sh0rt |
| 07:46.07 | DoctaBu | what's a text editor |
| 07:46.08 | DoctaBu | pico |
| 07:46.14 | Guerin | DoctaBu: emacs |
| 07:46.22 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, f**k |
| 07:46.23 | DoctaBu | how do I start it? |
| 07:46.25 | Guerin | DoctaBu: or nano if you're feeling handicapped |
| 07:46.37 | markybob | Guerin, i think that's the case. |
| 07:46.52 | DoctaBu | Agh, sh0rt |
| 07:46.56 | DoctaBu | that line is humungous |
| 07:47.01 | DoctaBu | what do I change it to |
| 07:47.05 | witless | how can i get a USB drive to mount automatically when it's connected? |
| 07:47.05 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, run apt-update instead |
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| 07:47.11 | Guerin | witless: hotplug |
| 07:47.14 | DoctaBu | so put the new cd in |
| 07:47.14 | simonrvn | it's getting lighter now, and actually seeing some sun. amazing. |
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| 07:47.16 | DoctaBu | sarge |
| 07:47.18 | maher | witless: what fs |
| 07:47.24 | witless | exts |
| 07:47.26 | witless | ext3 |
| 07:47.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh, it snowed again today, after a month of not doing so |
| 07:47.44 | simonrvn | @win spring |
| 07:47.50 | ravenbird | Congratulations, spring! You have won the US presidency! |
| 07:47.58 | maher | witless: i make a label on the drive, and then have LABEL=foo in fstab |
| 07:48.10 | DoctaBu | Ok, sh0rt. I have the CD in the drive. Now what command should I type to update it? |
| 07:48.16 | witless | maher: how is it auto-loaded when inserted? |
| 07:48.23 | witless | erm auto-mounted |
| 07:48.26 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, run apt-update |
| 07:48.39 | Guerin | heh, I explained to the kids that my march birthday is in autumn |
| 07:48.53 | Guerin | that confused the hell outta the poor souls |
| 07:49.02 | simonrvn | Guerin: we got a *SHITLOAD* of snow right up until last week. for 3 weeks - almost every day. it was weird |
| 07:49.05 | DoctaBu | :| |
| 07:49.09 | maher | witless: umm - i dunno - it just is |
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| 07:49.25 | simonrvn | Guerin: well, duh :) |
| 07:49.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh, I've moved from the coast into the mountains - I'm a bit disappointed we've not had any, tbh |
| 07:49.42 | markybob | Guerin, did you tell them the toilet flushed the other way, too? |
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| 07:49.52 | Guerin | markybob: naw, that's a different lesson |
| 07:49.55 | DoctaBu | ok, I'm back/. |
| 07:50.00 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:50.00 | markybob | Guerin, keep us updated |
| 07:50.01 | witless | maher: worth a try :-) |
| 07:50.08 | maher | Withdraw: ah - its auto mounted on boot - i dunno whether it does it if i plug / unplug |
| 07:50.09 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, what command do I enter |
| 07:50.10 | Guerin | I scared them with stories of going to the beach for a swim on christmas day, though |
| 07:50.20 | markybob | heh |
| 07:50.23 | Guerin | "Teacher.... why?" |
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| 07:50.30 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, try apt-update |
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| 07:50.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: ah, ok. mountains are cool. can be a bit dry, depending |
| 07:50.39 | markybob | sh0rt, maybe if you tell him *one* more time |
| 07:50.44 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 07:50.45 | sh0rt | ahhhhhh |
| 07:50.47 | markybob | all together now... |
| 07:50.49 | markybob | apt-get update |
| 07:50.57 | Guerin | !iydkdg is <reply> If you don't know, don't guess |
| 07:50.57 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 07:51.42 | simonrvn | hopefully this funky rule in exim will catch those nuls.. |
| 07:51.59 | sh0rt | markybob, no hes gotto change his sources first dont confuse the boy |
| 07:52.19 | markybob | sh0rt, i was trying to get us all in a song. failed. |
| 07:52.22 | Growly | Here I am, pleeing again: Whenver I try and compile the latest 2.6.11.5 kernel, I get: |
| 07:52.22 | Growly | make[3]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 |
| 07:52.33 | Growly | then: make[2]: *** [drivers/char/drm] Error 2 |
| 07:52.37 | Guerin | !wayc |
| 07:52.39 | Growly | then: make[1]: *** [drivers/char] Error 2 |
| 07:52.40 | Growly | make: *** [drivers] Error 2 |
| 07:52.42 | Guerin | !wayc Growly |
| 07:52.45 | dpkg | Growly: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 07:52.52 | sh0rt | markybob, you dont wanna here me sing |
| 07:53.08 | maher | Growly: maybe the most recent bleeding edge kernel is broken |
| 07:53.18 | markybob | Guerin, well...you dont know...he might be using make-kpkg, which would be acceptable |
| 07:53.23 | Guerin | markybob: hah |
| 07:53.27 | witless | ok, next question - how do i label a partition :-) |
| 07:53.28 | Growly | dpkg & Guerin: Because the madwifi drivers, needed for my Atheros chipset WLAN card, need the kernel source for the current kernel to compile :) |
| 07:53.32 | markybob | Guerin, :) |
| 07:53.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: later |
| 07:53.40 | DoctaBu | apt-get update does nothing |
| 07:53.47 | deadcat | Growly: headers |
| 07:53.56 | tomb0y | anyone have any idea where to start with fixin this. fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf table lookup problem. when i use the info in that .cf file manually in mysql the query works just fine just not postfixadmin. |
| 07:53.58 | Growly | deadcat: headers? |
| 07:54.05 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, base-config AS ROOT |
| 07:54.16 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 07:54.20 | DoctaBu | it's going into the config... |
| 07:54.27 | deadcat | Growly: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/madwifi.sh |
| 07:54.46 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, down to configure apt |
| 07:54.59 | spo0nman | karsten: nada! double quotes didnt help.. nothing in the logs... |
| 07:55.22 | karsten | spo0nman: Was the logfile created? |
| 07:55.58 | spo0nman | karsten: forget it. i'll look around. will tell you when i find the problem. |
| 07:55.59 | DoctaBu | Ok--- is there any way yo skip eeverything euse |
| 07:56.05 | DoctaBu | to skip everything else* |
| 07:56.10 | karsten | spo0nman: OK. |
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| 07:56.33 | sciboy | Damn. |
| 07:56.33 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, have you configured apt to use cdrom and sarge |
| 07:56.36 | DoctaBu | yes. |
| 07:56.38 | Growly | deadcat: I LOVE YOU. |
| 07:56.53 | sh0rt | hit tab button untill exit |
| 07:57.01 | deadcat | Growly: i love you too (= |
| 07:57.03 | DoctaBu | there is no exit :) |
| 07:57.11 | sh0rt | at the bottom |
| 07:57.15 | DoctaBu | nope |
| 07:57.21 | sciboy | I have a 200gig external usb hard drive. It has been formated using "mkfs.vfat" and partitioned with "parted" i am definitely sure this drive is suppose to showing more than 1gig of space! |
| 07:57.25 | DoctaBu | it's asking me all the other config questions |
| 07:57.50 | sh0rt | tab down to exit again |
| 07:58.05 | jjjeff | here is a ? |
| 07:58.12 | jjjeff | how can i see if module ide-scsi is loaded |
| 07:58.14 | maher | sciboy: paste df in #flood |
| 07:58.15 | DoctaBu | hmmmmm. It seems to be loading crap from the CD |
| 07:58.25 | sh0rt | good |
| 07:58.37 | DoctaBu | "This version of Flex is a major upgrade from previous versions....Are you sure you want to upgrade Flex?" |
| 07:58.44 | sciboy | maher, done. |
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| 07:59.00 | jjjeff | any way to see if a certian module is loaded people? |
| 07:59.01 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, yes |
| 07:59.21 | DoctaBu | is this essentially updating to sarge |
| 07:59.31 | DoctaBu | which display manager should I do? xdm? kdm? |
| 07:59.32 | sh0rt | I fucking hope so |
| 07:59.55 | SlayerXP | jjjeff: yes |
| 07:59.56 | sh0rt | kdm will do |
| 08:00.00 | deadcat | jjjeff: lsmod |
| 08:00.05 | sh0rt | who cares |
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| 08:00.37 | DoctaBu | Registering...Removing' |
| 08:01.52 | DoctaBu | ...Seems to be removing aand unregistering a lot of things |
| 08:02.06 | jjjeff | how can i load modlue ide-scsi |
| 08:02.25 | sh0rt | jjjeff, modprobe ide-scsi |
| 08:02.42 | deadcat | jjjeff: modprobe |
| 08:02.50 | DoctaBu | sh0rt: Do I want to upgrade glibc? |
| 08:03.22 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, yes and fingers crossed cause this can fuck you system |
| 08:03.28 | DoctaBu | ok lol |
| 08:03.36 | DoctaBu | BOOM |
| 08:03.43 | dondelelcaro | hrm... anyone know why rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(150); would happen, only when being run through cron? |
| 08:03.44 | DoctaBu | just kidding. |
| 08:03.45 | Growly | wtf is uudecode? |
| 08:03.47 | dondelelcaro | (running rsync -T /exports/sds_data/bts_store/tmp -rqz rsync://bugs-mirror.debian.org/bts-spool-db /exports/sds_data/bts_store/debbugs/spool/db-h; if it matters) |
| 08:03.47 | DoctaBu | Unpacking... |
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| 08:03.59 | DoctaBu | sh0rt- do I wish to Restart Servicees |
| 08:04.02 | Growly | !tell me about uudecode |
| 08:04.06 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, did you click on configure base system? |
| 08:04.08 | sh0rt | yes |
| 08:04.18 | deadcat | Growly: sharutils |
| 08:04.21 | DoctaBu | stopping...stopping...stopping... |
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| 08:04.41 | DoctaBu | restarted succesfully...setting up...unpacking...preparing |
| 08:04.52 | Growly | deadcat: I love you so much. |
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| 08:05.08 | DoctaBu | Shall I let it update my system? |
| 08:05.14 | DoctaBu | yes, I'm guesing :) |
| 08:05.17 | DoctaBu | guessing* |
| 08:05.33 | deadcat | Growly: hehe. i just helped someone setup his madwifi at a install fest on sat. so i just decided to write down the steps. |
| 08:05.40 | DoctaBu | ...no, sh0rt? |
| 08:05.51 | sh0rt | yes |
| 08:05.55 | DoctaBu | ok yes |
| 08:06.14 | DoctaBu | man, if this works. |
| 08:06.27 | DoctaBu | you will be my official savior. |
| 08:06.28 | sh0rt | and every one holds there breath :) |
| 08:06.55 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, your are officially a goose |
| 08:07.05 | Growly | I didn't even know what build-essential was |
| 08:07.13 | DoctaBu | goose? |
| 08:07.13 | Growly | :) |
| 08:07.16 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:07.25 | sh0rt | australian term |
| 08:07.36 | cromd | geese are pretty gnarlly crittures, i'd take that as a compliment |
| 08:07.37 | karsten | !tell DoctaBu about enter |
| 08:07.41 | DoctaBu | Yes, akrsten. |
| 08:07.44 | DoctaBu | I'm aware. |
| 08:07.52 | deadcat | karsten: use /ignore (= |
| 08:07.54 | DoctaBu | And... I apologize. I'm really bad with returns. |
| 08:08.02 | DoctaBu | Yes, please. Use /ignore |
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| 08:08.23 | Forey | Download the latest version of messenger plus released March 16th , 2005 |
| 08:08.23 | Forey | > http://www.msgplus.net/download_contest.php?id=6327 |
| 08:08.26 | Forey | Download the latest version of messenger plus released March 16th , 2005 |
| 08:08.26 | Forey | > http://www.msgplus.net/download_contest.php?id=6327 |
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| 08:08.33 | DoctaBu | OK I WILL |
| 08:08.40 | DoctaBu | Updating mozilla.. |
| 08:08.43 | deadcat | Growly: dont /msg me |
| 08:08.55 | deadcat | just type here. |
| 08:08.56 | karsten | !ops spam CPE-60-231-180-54.vic.bigpond.net.au (already gone) |
| 08:08.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spam CPE-60-231-180-54.vic.bigpond.net.au (already gone) |
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| 08:09.20 | deadcat | Growly: wireless extention? |
| 08:09.25 | jjjeff | does anyone have luck with nero for linux? |
| 08:09.33 | deadcat | jjjeff: no |
| 08:09.35 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, about how long will this take |
| 08:09.44 | sh0rt | untill its done |
| 08:09.51 | DoctaBu | Oh, ok. |
| 08:09.54 | DoctaBu | It sure is doing a lot. |
| 08:10.04 | sh0rt | better than doing nothing |
| 08:10.10 | DoctaBu | Exactly! |
| 08:10.17 | DoctaBu | nothing is what it's usually doing. |
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| 08:10.42 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@CPE-60-231-180-54.vic.bigpond.net.au]] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:10.44 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@CPE-60-231-180-54.vic.bigpond.net.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:10.48 | *** mode/#Debian [-b *!*@CPE-60-231-180-54.vic.bigpond.net.au]] by dondelelcaro |
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| 08:11.25 | Growly | deadcat: sorry bout the msg... but you're a legend. i've spent two days on that. |
| 08:11.34 | deadcat | Growly: (= |
| 08:11.58 | sh0rt | someones in love ;) |
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| 08:12.51 | Growly | sh0rt: you need a hug. |
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| 08:13.01 | sh0rt | nah im right |
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| 08:13.47 | ctmnz | Pamella -> spam |
| 08:14.04 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, well? |
| 08:14.21 | tomb0y | anyone know what service to look for when having a webinterface try to login to a virtual maildir, and it just says LOGIN FAILED in imaplogin, works for a user whos on shell, but not virtual. |
| 08:14.56 | karsten | tomb0y: The quick-and-dirty trick: cd /var/log; ls -t | head |
| 08:15.00 | tomb0y | the emails are being sent to the /usr/local/virtual/username dirs, just cant get a user to check it |
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| 08:15.03 | DoctaBu | Still running, sh0rt. |
| 08:15.05 | karsten | tomb0y: ...shows you the most recently modified logs. |
| 08:15.24 | tomb0y | karsten: how else do you think i know what the prob is w/o looking at the logs ? |
| 08:15.30 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: Pamella spam |
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| 08:16.49 | karsten | tomb0y: NFC. |
| 08:16.56 | karsten | !tell tomb0y about esp |
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| 08:17.34 | KimHansen | Pamella and Wqz are spammers, can someone ban them? |
| 08:17.43 | tomb0y | "and it just says LOGIN FAILED in imaplogin" imaplogin is a header in a log file, you would know that if you had a clue how to help. |
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| 08:18.19 | ctmnz | how can I enter to bios of compaq deskpro 4000 |
| 08:18.33 | ctmnz | ? |
| 08:18.38 | DoctaBu | Ok, sh0rt. |
| 08:18.47 | sh0rt | ctmnz, maybe f11 or something |
| 08:18.50 | firemaker3 | does there exist other sites like backport.org? i'm having trouble upgrading a certain package, and i was wondering if i can get it from somewhere else, perhaps the minor change will work. |
| 08:18.50 | DoctaBu | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:18.55 | DoctaBu | powermgmt-base |
| 08:19.00 | ctmnz | sh0rt: f11 dont work |
| 08:19.01 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, what errors |
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| 08:19.11 | DoctaBu | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:19.13 | DoctaBu | that's it. |
| 08:19.22 | DoctaBu | then under that |
| 08:19.26 | sciboy | Has anyone here mounted a drive under "vfat" over 1gig? |
| 08:19.39 | karsten | ctmnz: GIYF. |
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| 08:19.49 | karsten | !tell ctmnz about GIYF. |
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| 08:20.03 | karsten | sciboy: vfat is supported to about 32 GB IIRC. |
| 08:20.08 | DoctaBu | "Some errors occurred while unpacking. I'm going to configure the packages that were installed. This may result in duplicate errors or errors caused by missing dependencies. This is OK, only the errors abobve this message are important. Please fix theem and run [I]nstall again |
| 08:20.10 | DoctaBu | " |
| 08:20.27 | sciboy | karsten, Then its useless to me? 200gig |
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| 08:20.41 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ok let it do its thing and see |
| 08:20.56 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:20.59 | DoctaBu | is it doing it again?! |
| 08:21.02 | DoctaBu | or just configging |
| 08:21.15 | sh0rt | dunno |
| 08:21.18 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 08:21.21 | karsten | sciboy: You're trying to do 200 GB? Yeah, that's beyond the capabilities. |
| 08:21.27 | karsten | sciboy: What kind of disk? |
| 08:21.34 | sciboy | karsten, USB External HD |
| 08:21.51 | sciboy | karsten, I need to share it with my father who runs under windows XP |
| 08:22.09 | DoctaBu | ok, sh0rt, I'm back. |
| 08:22.09 | sh0rt | isnt there a kernel option for ridiculously large storage? |
| 08:22.15 | DoctaBu | with something above it/. |
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| 08:22.27 | DoctaBu | base-config: 90final-messages exited with return code 1 |
| 08:22.34 | DoctaBu | so at the prompt can I do anything to see if it worked |
| 08:23.05 | karsten | sciboy: http://www.answers.com/topic/comparison-of-file-systems |
| 08:23.17 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, do apt-get update to see what it says |
| 08:23.21 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:23.29 | karsten | sciboy: Looks like it might work. Try it ;-) |
| 08:23.34 | DoctaBu | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 08:23.38 | DoctaBu | that's it. |
| 08:23.56 | karsten | sciboy: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_qdr=all&q=fat32+maximum+filesystem+size&btnG=Search |
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| 08:24.32 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 08:24.32 | DoctaBu | ...sh0rt? |
| 08:24.41 | karsten | sciboy: Try to keep it under 2 TB. |
| 08:24.44 | ferris | how can i password protect a file? |
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| 08:24.50 | sussudio | !ops Pamella spam |
| 08:24.51 | DoctaBu | couldn't find it. |
| 08:24.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Pamella spam |
| 08:25.20 | DoctaBu | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 08:25.37 | sciboy | karsten, I know fat32 works fine on large sizes, i believe the problem is with what linux is trying to read it with "vfat" |
| 08:25.52 | sciboy | Like you said, it doesn't appear to be supported at the moment. |
| 08:25.56 | karsten | sciboy: Um. Yes? |
| 08:26.13 | jm_ | karsten: it's not, I have 40G fat32 partitions |
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| 08:26.22 | sciboy | And i recall there being EXT3 drivers for windows xp. *hint* *hint* |
| 08:26.31 | sh0rt | whats the latest srge come with? |
| 08:26.43 | DoctaBu | dunno. |
| 08:26.44 | Timmeh | can anyone help me out with webmin? |
| 08:26.44 | yaboo | hi how do I move the boot sector from one disk after I dd contents of the boot disk from the old to the new? |
| 08:26.46 | SlayerXP | jm_: i have meier visiting this weekend |
| 08:26.50 | yaboo | I am using lilo |
| 08:26.53 | Timmeh | im getting You do not have access to any Webmin modules. |
| 08:27.01 | Timmeh | and cant create a new login with privleges |
| 08:27.05 | karsten | sciboy: There's e2explorer, which isn't quite the same as a native filesystem driver. |
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| 08:27.14 | ferris | how can i password protect a file? |
| 08:27.20 | jm_ | sciboy: ext2ifs |
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| 08:28.00 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, look in /etc/apt/source.list and see if there is a 2.6 kernel in there |
| 08:28.03 | karsten | sciboy: Work out your linux vfat large filesystem issue. What happens now? |
| 08:28.05 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:28.07 | SlayerXP | ferris: use a symmetric encryption algorithm |
| 08:28.11 | BlackSunSystems | ferris: Make it readable only by one user and therefore its protected by that users password |
| 08:28.13 | karsten | ferris: gpg --encrypt foo |
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| 08:28.20 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, doh, /boot/grub/menu |
| 08:28.24 | karsten | BlackSunSystems: Um. Wrong. You lose. |
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| 08:28.29 | ferris | thanks |
| 08:28.34 | karsten | BlackSunSystems: encryption != system security permissions |
| 08:28.47 | DoctaBu | the cdrom is in there |
| 08:28.49 | DoctaBu | but.. |
| 08:28.58 | BlackSunSystems | karsten: He didnt ask for encryption |
| 08:29.07 | jm_ | SlayerXP: are you still in UK? |
| 08:29.19 | DoctaBu | there is no grub |
| 08:29.19 | SlayerXP | jm_: yes, and will be for a few months yet |
| 08:29.22 | yaboo | can I do I lilo on a non boot that I wish to use to boot |
| 08:29.24 | DoctaBu | folder |
| 08:29.36 | yaboo | I have dd the contents across |
| 08:29.49 | karsten | !ops join spam from Pamela cxv@85.97.93.56 |
| 08:29.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: join spam from Pamela cxv@85.97.93.56 |
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| 08:30.07 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, /boot/grub/menu |
| 08:30.11 | DoctaBu | oh |
| 08:30.15 | sciboy | karsten, Now, parted shows that i have a fat32 formatted filesystem but df and the rest of my system shows a vfat filesystem with only 1gig available. |
| 08:30.15 | DoctaBu | wait, yeah. |
| 08:30.18 | DoctaBu | It's not there. |
| 08:30.24 | DoctaBu | There is noo "grub" directory in boot |
| 08:30.28 | firemaker3 | i am up trying to upgrade xutils and i get this error "error processing xutil_4.2...trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin/atobm, which is also in package xbase-clients". I've tried to google this error, but only one hit comes up. |
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| 08:30.51 | movieman | hey |
| 08:30.51 | sciboy | karsten, I put EXT3 on it and it showed all 192gigs available. |
| 08:30.59 | movieman | what program i can use to watch avi movies? |
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| 08:31.04 | karsten | sciboy: How'd you create it? |
| 08:31.08 | maher | movieman: aviplay |
| 08:31.14 | movieman | thanks maher |
| 08:31.18 | karsten | sciboy: ...and what's the underlying partition label (shouldn't matter AFAIR) |
| 08:31.30 | sciboy | karsten, First time, with partition magic in windows, second time using qtparted. |
| 08:31.46 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, are you sure. Not on the cd, on your hdd |
| 08:31.52 | karsten | sciboy: Hrm. How much free space did you have? And this is the external drive? |
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| 08:32.01 | DoctaBu | on my hdd. |
| 08:32.08 | sciboy | karsten, Under EXT3? |
| 08:32.15 | DoctaBu | in /boot |
| 08:32.20 | sciboy | And i dunno what the underlying partition table is. |
| 08:32.21 | DoctaBu | there is no grub directory |
| 08:32.34 | jm_ | sciboy: recreate it in Linux |
| 08:32.34 | karsten | sciboy: No. How much unpartitioned space on the disk. |
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| 08:32.45 | karsten | sciboy: fdisk -l <partition> |
| 08:33.02 | karsten | sciboy: My understanding is you're trying to format an external device, right? |
| 08:33.05 | somiaj | !ops |
| 08:33.05 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 08:33.06 | jm_ | sciboy: and don't go beyond 128G |
| 08:33.14 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, from the terminal as root |
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| 08:33.22 | somiaj | !ops please remove Pamella I get spamed each time I enter #debian |
| 08:33.22 | DoctaBu | yes? |
| 08:33.23 | karsten | somiaj: They're asleep right now. |
| 08:33.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove Pamella I get spamed each time I enter #debian |
| 08:33.25 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, cd /boot |
| 08:33.29 | karsten | somiaj: join spam? |
| 08:33.32 | somiaj | karsten: damn, (: |
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| 08:33.38 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, -ls |
| 08:33.39 | Plugster | is it relay host you have to fix when you got: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) <- postfix |
| 08:33.39 | sciboy | Disk /dev/sdb1: 200.0 GB, 200049646592 bytes |
| 08:33.40 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:33.40 | sciboy | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders |
| 08:33.40 | sciboy | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 08:33.41 | somiaj | karsten: yea, I've been having connenction issues, so I get lots of it |
| 08:33.53 | DoctaBu | ls? |
| 08:33.56 | SlayerXP | yeah. here too. |
| 08:34.02 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, -ls |
| 08:34.13 | DoctaBu | bash: -ls: command not found |
| 08:34.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You awake? |
| 08:34.24 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ls then |
| 08:34.32 | karsten | !tell sciboy about paste. |
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| 08:35.22 | DoctaBu | System.map-2.2.20-idepci, boot-text.b, config-2.2.20-idepci, boot-bmp.b, boot.0300, map, boot-compat.b, boot.b, os2_d.b, boot-menu.b, chain.b, vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci |
| 08:35.25 | Plugster | is it relay host you have to fix when you got: sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) <- postfix |
| 08:35.27 | ikonia | hello debian guys |
| 08:35.35 | jm_ | Plugster: try asking in #postfix |
| 08:35.43 | Plugster | ok sorry |
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| 08:36.20 | jm_ | Plugster: it's OK to ask here, but you'll have a better chance in #postfix - and don't repeat it so often next time, people get annoyed easily |
| 08:36.21 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ok look in /boot/boot-menu |
| 08:36.27 | ikonia | what is the default kernel shipped with sarge ? |
| 08:36.40 | jm_ | ikonia: did you read its instalaltion manual? |
| 08:36.49 | DoctaBu | blah! |
| 08:36.51 | DoctaBu | it's in gibberish |
| 08:36.52 | ikonia | not yet, I'm re-visiting debain |
| 08:36.58 | DoctaBu | like A^B^H(D(*QHFAIFd |
| 08:37.00 | SlayerXP | !debain |
| 08:37.00 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 08:37.02 | ikonia | and I just wondered what the default kernel was |
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| 08:37.26 | ikonia | and what kernel headers it was built off |
| 08:37.44 | sciboy | ... |
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| 08:37.49 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, look at it in konquere or ephinay or a file browser, click on the house button and go from there |
| 08:37.54 | SlayerXP | ikonia: sarge ships with 2.6.8 |
| 08:38.02 | ikonia | thats pretty reasonable |
| 08:38.05 | DoctaBu | I'm not in a graphical interface |
| 08:38.12 | jm_ | it also has 2.4, it's all in the docs |
| 08:38.29 | SlayerXP | jm_: you assume too much :) |
| 08:38.29 | DoctaBu | Can I get into one? |
| 08:38.32 | DoctaBu | If I can, I don't know how. |
| 08:38.44 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, startx |
| 08:38.44 | ikonia | jm_ not reading the docs yet, just gathering some basic info to pick a distro for a small project |
| 08:38.50 | DoctaBu | command not found |
| 08:38.54 | ikonia | not used debian for a while, hence re-visiting |
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| 08:39.02 | Plugster | jm_ sure, thanks for reminding me |
| 08:39.04 | jm_ | ikonia: yes, but you should read the docs |
| 08:39.06 | tiger1020x | speaking of which what 2.4 kernels are accepted by the bootsplash patch is anyone knows? |
| 08:39.18 | ikonia | jm_ I'm not going to go through the docs just to get a bit of basic info |
| 08:39.19 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:39.26 | ikonia | to decide I'm not going to use it |
| 08:39.31 | SlayerXP | ikonia: then you most likely don't want to be using debian. |
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| 08:39.34 | DoctaBu | installing... |
| 08:39.39 | ikonia | SlayerXP ha ha, what makes you say that ? |
| 08:40.06 | SlayerXP | ikonia: because reading docs is the first thing to do when you have a problem or a question |
| 08:40.08 | sciboy | Bah stuff this! |
| 08:40.08 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, apt-get install kde |
| 08:40.15 | DoctaBu | it's still installing |
| 08:40.16 | ikonia | SlayerXP I'm happy to read through the docs |
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| 08:40.24 | ikonia | I'm just doing a quick scout |
| 08:40.30 | SlayerXP | <ikonia> jm_ I'm not going to go through the docs just to get a bit of basic info |
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| 08:40.35 | SiLENT | How do I mount my dvd rom? |
| 08:40.47 | karsten | SiLENT: man mount |
| 08:40.50 | jm_ | ikonia: ahh, too bad we didn't know this in advance |
| 08:41.00 | SiLENT | karsten, How do I figure out which dev is my dvdrom? |
| 08:41.00 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
| 08:41.06 | tiger1020x | mount -t udf /mnt/cdrom |
| 08:41.10 | ikonia | for example are the weekly builds built on the 2.6.8 or are the weekly builds going to move up kernel releases |
| 08:41.14 | DoctaBu | Hmmmm. It wanted me to insert hte woody cd. |
| 08:41.16 | ikonia | actually I phrased that bad |
| 08:41.25 | karsten | SiLENT: dmesg | egrep -i '(cd|dvd)' |
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| 08:41.30 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, it said that |
| 08:41.37 | ikonia | is 2.6.8 the decided kernel choice of sarge |
| 08:41.41 | sciboy | Scratch that... Reiserfs and fat32 partition ;) |
| 08:41.44 | DoctaBu | Yes, it did. |
| 08:41.51 | karsten | SiLENT: Once you work it out, I'd recommend a symlink in /dev and a mountpoint in /etc/fstab. Or use of autofs. |
| 08:41.54 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, apt-get update |
| 08:42.01 | DoctaBu | well i'm still installing this |
| 08:42.14 | ikonia | jm_ sorry jm_ I didn't explain myself well when I first came in the channel |
| 08:42.24 | ikonia | I was just looking for a few quick snippets for comparisions |
| 08:42.38 | ikonia | there is a good chance I'll use debian for this project |
| 08:42.51 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, you didnt put woody cd in did you? |
| 08:42.51 | ikonia | but I just wanted to compare a few quick shots of info against a few other distros |
| 08:42.55 | DoctaBu | yes, I did. |
| 08:43.01 | ikonia | apologies if I seemed arogant not reading the docs |
| 08:43.05 | jm_ | ikonia: Sarge will stay with 2.6.8 as it looks now |
| 08:43.07 | DoctaBu | when it was asking me to install the x-window-system |
| 08:43.11 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, awwww |
| 08:43.13 | ikonia | jm_ thanks |
| 08:43.17 | DoctaBu | A bit through it, it asked me to put in the woody CD |
| 08:43.27 | DoctaBu | so I did, and now it's asking me waht interface to choose |
| 08:43.29 | karsten | ikonia: s/arrogant/ignorant/ |
| 08:43.30 | ikonia | I guess I'd be right to assume it was built of the 2.6.8.1 kenel headers ? |
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| 08:43.41 | DoctaBu | KDE? |
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| 08:43.45 | ikonia | karsten certainly not ignorant |
| 08:43.46 | jm_ | ikonia: but you can of course upgrade it once it's installed |
| 08:43.51 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, yes |
| 08:43.53 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:44.00 | ikonia | its more the headers it was built off to be fair |
| 08:44.06 | ikonia | they are a pain to upgrade |
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| 08:44.39 | jm_ | it's built with the headers that come with the kernel sources, like any other kernel |
| 08:44.40 | ikonia | do you know if it was built of 2.6.8 or 2.6.8.1 headers ? |
| 08:44.40 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, when this is done, should I do startx? |
| 08:44.44 | videoman | hmm, i got a question |
| 08:44.55 | videoman | VLC video player only has packages for woody and sid, but not for sarge |
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| 08:45.03 | videoman | does sid package maybe work on sarge? |
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| 08:45.13 | tiger1020x | anyone know whare to get lilo.bmps? |
| 08:45.16 | DoctaBu | yay!!! |
| 08:45.19 | DoctaBu | I have an interface. |
| 08:45.26 | tiger1020x | i did google and came up with nothing |
| 08:45.28 | SlayerXP | videoman: maybe, but mixing packages from different trees is not for the faint hearted. expect breakage. |
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| 08:45.46 | DoctaBu | sh0rt- is anything going to happen except for this gray screen? |
| 08:45.54 | DoctaBu | and the X |
| 08:46.01 | DoctaBu | (cursor) |
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| 08:46.06 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, should |
| 08:46.08 | spo0nman | karsten: it was the damn quotes. |
| 08:46.11 | Ghostbuster | iam using sid |
| 08:46.11 | ikonia | when I said headers, I meant the libc headers |
| 08:46.13 | DoctaBu | ...nothing's happening/ |
| 08:46.14 | ikonia | sorry |
| 08:46.17 | tiger1020x | docta prolly need kdm or gdm |
| 08:46.20 | spo0nman | karsten: thankyou very much. :) |
| 08:46.22 | ikonia | I'm not explaining well this morning |
| 08:46.34 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, what should I do? |
| 08:47.00 | karsten | spo0nman: Nyah nyah! Told you so! |
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| 08:47.17 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, turn the fucking thing off and reboot |
| 08:47.28 | DoctaBu | lol ok |
| 08:47.28 | spo0nman | tiger1020x: http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=probably |
| 08:47.34 | karsten | spo0nman: ;-) |
| 08:47.39 | tiger1020x | DoctaBu ..prolly need gdm or kdm and a window manager like kde or gonmoe? |
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| 08:47.47 | tiger1020x | thank you |
| 08:47.55 | spo0nman | karsten: :) /me sends kisses |
| 08:47.59 | DoctaBu | I thought it just installed. |
| 08:48.12 | sh0rt | should of |
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| 08:48.23 | DoctaBu | so what should I dO? |
| 08:48.29 | sh0rt | reboot |
| 08:48.31 | llama32 | i want to let my friend ftp me... how do i start? i apt-got ftpd... |
| 08:48.34 | DoctaBu | I know |
| 08:48.36 | DoctaBu | it's almost done.... |
| 08:48.38 | DoctaBu | it's checking the HDD |
| 08:48.38 | sh0rt | so |
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| 08:49.24 | karsten | spo0nman: Heh. |
| 08:49.25 | spo0nman | karsten: the problem was that the freaking cron was not passing anything beyond the '%' it wasnt the astrix '$(date %Y)' was coming as '$(date |
| 08:49.44 | spo0nman | and the quote was'nt ending |
| 08:50.04 | karsten | spo0nman: Ah. Yeah. man 5 crontab. '%' is EOL terminator. |
| 08:50.08 | DoctaBu | hmmm. |
| 08:50.16 | DoctaBu | the window manageer started up |
| 08:50.26 | karsten | spo0nman: Anything following '%' is used as program input. |
| 08:50.27 | DoctaBu | and it asked me for a login |
| 08:50.30 | DoctaBu | and I logged in |
| 08:50.34 | DoctaBu | and now all there is |
| 08:50.37 | spo0nman | karsten: hmm. |
| 08:50.45 | karsten | !tell DoctaBu about enter |
| 08:50.45 | DoctaBu | is grey, and in the upper left hand corner there's "xconsolee" |
| 08:50.54 | DoctaBu | !tell karsten about /ignore |
| 08:51.02 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 08:51.11 | spo0nman | !tell DoctaBu about kick |
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| 08:51.17 | DoctaBu | :P |
| 08:51.21 | karsten | spo0nman: Percent-signs (%) in the command, unless escaped with backslash (\), will be changed into newline charac- ters, and all data after the first % will be sent to the command as standard input. There is no way to split a single command line onto multiple lines, ala the shell's trailing "\". |
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| 08:51.47 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, so click on it |
| 08:51.54 | DoctaBu | ok |
| 08:51.54 | DoctaBu | eww. |
| 08:52.02 | DoctaBu | this is a really ugly window manager :) |
| 08:52.04 | karsten | !ops take DoctaBu about behind the woodshed please |
| 08:52.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: take DoctaBu about behind the woodshed please |
| 08:52.09 | karsten | DoctaBu: *stop* that. |
| 08:52.09 | DebUser | Hi, I want to install Debian onto a machine that has a P4 3Ghz (w/ HT), will the new Debian installer install the SMP kernel, or will I have to install that myself? |
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| 08:52.30 | sh0rt | an dod what you will with him :) |
| 08:52.31 | DoctaBu | Ok ok ok I'm sorry. |
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| 08:52.46 | karsten | DebUser: Select installation of the SMP kernel during the install process. |
| 08:52.48 | SlayerXP | DebUser: HT is a crock of crap requiring APIC-hackery to work. The default kernel may or may not pick it up. |
| 08:52.49 | DoctaBu | So, what should I do from this point, sh0rt? |
| 08:52.55 | karsten | DebUser: Your installation will be single-processor. |
| 08:52.58 | SlayerXP | DebUser: sack whoever bought that hardware. |
| 08:53.42 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, you know you should be paying either me or my pcycholigist fro this |
| 08:53.49 | DoctaBu | heeh yessss :( |
| 08:54.22 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, does that thing have a picture of a terminal, click on it |
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| 08:55.14 | linuxlala | Hi. I was wondering if there is a seperate chanel for Debian Legal? |
| 08:55.16 | DoctaBu | sh0rt: it opened up a terminal in the lower right-hand corner. |
| 08:55.39 | karsten | linuxlala: /query chanserve *debian*legal* |
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| 08:55.55 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ok apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:56.06 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, as root |
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| 08:56.59 | linuxlala | karsten, Thanks |
| 08:57.03 | Mr|Dave | what's the proper package to get mysql support in php4? I thought it would be php4-mysql, but it doesn't seem to be |
| 08:57.22 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: apt-cache show php4-mysql |
| 08:57.23 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ie type su first then password ;( |
| 08:57.29 | karsten | linuxlala: NP. |
| 08:57.43 | karsten | sh0rt: What desktop is he running now? |
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| 08:57.55 | karsten | sh0rt: ...and aptitude install sudo ;-) |
| 08:57.58 | Mr|Dave | jm_ i've done that, but when i try apt-get install php4-mysql, it tries to install a boatload of packages including another webserver, cadium |
| 08:58.01 | DoctaBu | installing... |
| 08:58.07 | DoctaBu | OH! Now it wants sarge! |
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| 08:58.26 | Mr|Dave | whoops, caudium, not cadium |
| 08:58.30 | poonj | hey guys...where do I go in the xf86config to get the mouse scroll to work? |
| 08:58.50 | sh0rt | karsten, its hard to know what the fuck is going on |
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| 08:59.23 | karsten | poonj: 'enable mouse scroll events' (or similar) when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:59.23 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: you'll need to figure out which dependency pulls it in and replace it with the one of your choice |
| 08:59.32 | karsten | sh0rt: OK, it's not just me ;-) |
| 08:59.44 | poonj | karsten: is there something I can uncomment in the config file? |
| 08:59.46 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 08:59.47 | sh0rt | karsten, at the moment just xwindows me thinks |
| 08:59.50 | poonj | or do I need to go through the hwole wizard again? |
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| 08:59.56 | Mr|Dave | let me try each of the listed dependencies |
| 08:59.58 | Growly | testing |
| 08:59.59 | ^rob^ | i have this err: can somebody help me pls? |
| 09:00.02 | ^rob^ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 09:00.02 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.02 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.02 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.02 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.05 | Growly | alrighty :) |
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| 09:00.08 | rokstar | I have a problem with a DSL connection via Speedtouch using Debian Sid. I have to say that that connection works fine six month. One week ago begun that problem. Even if i connect i can ping 3 or 4 times a random site but if i try to open a website or to take data (ex: apt-get update) the connection freeze. |
| 09:00.25 | rokstar | I mean i am connected (as the ISP say) but i can do nothing |
| 09:00.31 | rokstar | Any hint? |
| 09:00.33 | karsten | poonj: The wizard remembers your defaults. It also registers the config file. Use it if you can. |
| 09:00.47 | karsten | !tell rokstar about smart questions. |
| 09:00.59 | sh0rt | my head hurts |
| 09:01.03 | DoctaBu | heh |
| 09:01.11 | DoctaBu | Yeah, so does mine. |
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| 09:01.18 | karsten | rokstar: Can you ping the gateway? Do you have DNS configured? Can you resolve hostnames? Can you ping *past* the gateway? How do you connect to your ISP (dialup, DSL, cable...)? |
| 09:01.20 | ^rob^ | damn 1 line longer |
| 09:01.21 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, so whats happening |
| 09:01.27 | Growly | What is "Kernel Panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!" indicative of? |
| 09:01.32 | DoctaBu | it's installing... I think :) |
| 09:01.49 | sh0rt | good |
| 09:01.50 | ^rob^ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = "en_US",.... |
| 09:01.52 | Mr|Dave | Hmm, ok if the Depends listed in apt-cache are completely different from the depends when i run apt-get, is there something wrong with my apt packages database? |
| 09:02.03 | ^rob^ | how do i set locale setings? |
| 09:02.10 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: what do you mean? |
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| 09:02.31 | deadcat | ^rob^: apt-get install locale |
| 09:02.32 | Mr|Dave | these are the dependencies for php4-mysql: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libmysqlclient10, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), zendapi-20010901 |
| 09:02.34 | cahoot | ^rob^: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:02.34 | claw | geh... can someone clue me in? Theres 3 nice little graphical package installation programs that i know of. theres kpackage, gnome-apt and 1 more which gets installed if you choose the [*] Desktop option when installing.... but i cant remember what its called... can anyone tell me its name? |
| 09:02.34 | poonj | brb |
| 09:02.53 | ^rob^ | cahoot: thnx |
| 09:02.54 | Mr|Dave | i apt-get installed the first 3, which said they had the latest ver, the last said it was a virtual package |
| 09:02.57 | karsten | sh0rt: Put your hand on your head. |
| 09:03.01 | karsten | sh0rt: Rub gently. |
| 09:03.16 | karsten | Growly: Bad stuff. |
| 09:03.18 | Mr|Dave | but yet, when i apt-get install php4-mysql, i have a ton of packages to install |
| 09:03.32 | sh0rt | karsten, lol |
| 09:03.38 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: what release is that? because it certainly looks way different on mine |
| 09:03.39 | Mr|Dave | so how or why is it asking for a lot more then what is listed in apt-cache? |
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| 09:03.42 | Mr|Dave | hmm |
| 09:03.51 | Mr|Dave | i'm using testing, i just apt-get updated |
| 09:04.07 | Growly | karsten: When you say bad stuff, how do you mean? It worked fine before I put my PCMCIA controller in, then it gave me that - I turned off Plug'n'Play OS in BIOS but still no luck :( |
| 09:04.07 | karsten | !tell Mr|Dave about dependencies |
| 09:04.09 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: install libapache-mod-php4 along with it |
| 09:04.15 | jm_ | that's your problem |
| 09:04.23 | sciboy | What is your favourite desktop (graphical) setup? |
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| 09:04.43 | karsten | Growly: Truthfully, I'm not sure. Google the error message. Particularly on the LKML. |
| 09:04.44 | jm_ | or the apache2 php4 module if you're using Apache2 |
| 09:04.46 | karsten | !tell Growly about lkml |
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| 09:04.58 | Mr|Dave | jm_ i'll try that then, thanks |
| 09:05.20 | Mr|Dave | mind you, i already have php4 running fine on apache |
| 09:05.23 | Growly | :O |
| 09:05.30 | ^rob^ | what is this locales anyway - a 10 Mb packet |
| 09:05.47 | deadcat | ^rob^: useless crap. just export LANG=C or something |
| 09:05.51 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, hmmmm well |
| 09:05.56 | ^rob^ | roger |
| 09:05.56 | jm_ | ^rob^: info libc, search for locale and read |
| 09:06.05 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, still installing gnome... |
| 09:06.11 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ok |
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| 09:06.34 | deadcat | ^rob^: my desktop and laptop dont use locales and i am doing fine. thats why i like the woody isntall over d-i (= |
| 09:06.42 | karsten | ^rob^: Information about language and localization. |
| 09:06.44 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, must get a better laptop and stop being a cheap ass |
| 09:06.48 | jm_ | Mr|Dave: then you should have something that satisfies the dependency for phpapi installed and it wouldn't install extra packages |
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| 09:07.06 | DoctaBu | I'm talking to you right now on a brandnew 15" PowerBook |
| 09:07.06 | karsten | ^rob^: time, timezones, units, thousands and decimal dividers, etc. |
| 09:07.08 | Mr|Dave | i'm running the install anyway |
| 09:07.13 | Mr|Dave | and it is doing stuff, so maybe it needed to update |
| 09:07.22 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, well put debian on that |
| 09:07.28 | ^rob^ | oh - thnx - as deadcad sayd - useless crap :) -- thnx for enlighting me! |
| 09:07.35 | DoctaBu | there's a reason I'm putting it on this computer |
| 09:07.37 | jm_ | yes, useless ... |
| 09:07.43 | DoctaBu | I'm keeping it in my car constantly. |
| 09:08.37 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, debian likes cars too |
| 09:08.44 | DoctaBu | :) |
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| 09:08.54 | ^rob^ | bye - gtg |
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| 09:09.03 | DoctaBu | http://bu.dotsomething.net/warcam/how.php :) |
| 09:09.16 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, yeah seen it |
| 09:09.22 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 09:09.32 | robewald | hi, has anyone experience with shrinking a reiserfs lvm logical volume? |
| 09:09.34 | cat | is there anyway that u can download kvirc 3 ? |
| 09:09.36 | cat | !kvirc3? |
| 09:09.37 | dpkg | [kvirc3] the next generation kvirc, it's been rewritten from scratch and is already looking quite good... look forward to it!!! (http://www.kvirc.net) |
| 09:09.37 | cat | !kvirc3 |
| 09:09.38 | dpkg | well, kvirc3 is the next generation kvirc, it's been rewritten from scratch and is already looking quite good... look forward to it!!! (http://www.kvirc.net) |
| 09:09.41 | genix | Where can I find all bot commands I can use in this channel? |
| 09:09.45 | Mr|Dave | Hmm, now I get php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 09:10.02 | Mr|Dave | That's not good |
| 09:10.08 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, what woriies me is that i actually looked |
| 09:10.10 | jm_ | so you already have it installed |
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| 09:10.14 | deadcat | genix: /msg dpkg STUFF |
| 09:10.15 | DoctaBu | :P |
| 09:10.18 | Mr|Dave | well, it didn't say that before |
| 09:10.28 | Mr|Dave | and apache still doesn't see it, maybe I have to manually add the module to apache |
| 09:10.30 | robewald | I am doing it the first time and would not like to replay the backups at all, so i ask for a little handholding... |
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| 09:11.04 | sphinx | I have sarge on my hdd, and some unused partitions. I tried installing windows on the unused partition and now I can't boot into sarge :-/ Anyone know what I should do ? |
| 09:11.06 | deadcat | kvirc looks like shit tome |
| 09:11.25 | sh0rt | sphinx, rerun grub |
| 09:11.38 | deadcat | and that idiot on the kvirc.net webpage is running with root.. |
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| 09:11.47 | sh0rt | sphere, windows doent play nice with linux |
| 09:11.47 | sphinx | sh0rt - I can;t boot into linix at all |
| 09:12.05 | sh0rt | sphinx, got knoppix? |
| 09:12.06 | karsten | sphinx: Rerun grub/lilo |
| 09:12.18 | karsten | sphinx: Boot a floppy or removable disk. |
| 09:12.26 | sphinx | I can't run anything to do with linux |
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| 09:12.48 | karsten | sphinx: Knoppix, LNX-BBC, tom's root boot, Damn Small Linux.... |
| 09:12.48 | sphinx | what do I put on the floppy? |
| 09:12.51 | sh0rt | sphinx, get knoppix, you will end up needing it one day antway |
| 09:12.57 | karsten | sphinx: That's not what we're asking you. |
| 09:13.08 | sphinx | LOL - I have a small linux on a floppy here |
| 09:13.20 | sphinx | but how do I do this - |
| 09:13.26 | sh0rt | sphinx, know how to work it? |
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| 09:13.38 | sh0rt | sphinx, get knoppix |
| 09:13.44 | sphinx | k |
| 09:13.46 | sphinx | :-) |
| 09:14.03 | sphinx | I'll be back :-) |
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| 09:14.37 | Gumby | anyone here ever used the atmel-source debian package for wireless cards? I have installed it via apt, extracted the source. run make and make install. but it doesnt seem to install the modules anywhere. all the readme says is to do make and make install as root. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 09:14.54 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, wtf is going on |
| 09:15.02 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, stillllllllll installing... |
| 09:15.12 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, it just finished! |
| 09:15.12 | sh0rt | shit |
| 09:15.17 | DoctaBu | heh |
| 09:15.18 | sh0rt | hooray |
| 09:15.19 | karsten | dpkg bootable distros is bootable Linux distros (CD, floppy, USB, other) including Knoppix (http://www.knoppix.org/) LNX-BBC (http://www.lnx-bbc.org/) Tom's Root Boot (floppy: http://www.toms.net/rb), Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/), and more. |
| 09:15.19 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 09:15.19 | DoctaBu | good timing. |
| 09:15.24 | DoctaBu | so, waht do I do now? |
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| 09:15.37 | sh0rt | what were we doing, i forget |
| 09:15.43 | DoctaBu | installing gnome |
| 09:15.47 | sphinx | sh0rt - knoppix is a CD :-/ |
| 09:15.52 | sh0rt | yeh |
| 09:15.54 | sphinx | can't boot from CD's |
| 09:15.57 | karsten | sh0rt: Dunno. I stepped out to smoke a Jay. |
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| 09:16.08 | sh0rt | shit |
| 09:16.22 | sh0rt | knoppix must have boot floppy |
| 09:16.40 | DoctaBu | so? sh0rt? what's next step?> |
| 09:16.51 | sh0rt | manners docta |
| 09:17.00 | DoctaBu | Ah ok. |
| 09:17.08 | DoctaBu | bash: manners: command not found |
| 09:17.12 | Mr|Dave | jm_ aha, got it... after i ran the apt-get update libapache-mod-php4, a mysql.so showed up. so i just added it to my php.ini, i guess i was assuming debian would automagically do it for me |
| 09:17.14 | sh0rt | lol |
| 09:17.20 | DoctaBu | juuuuuuuuust kidding :) (by the way, thanks a lot for your help) |
| 09:17.27 | sciboy | Whats your favourite utility for burning cd's? |
| 09:17.28 | DoctaBu | thanks a _ton_, actually. |
| 09:17.39 | DoctaBu | a flamethower, sciboy. |
| 09:18.06 | sciboy | At the moment i am using k3b, and the kde makes me feel sick =( |
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| 09:18.28 | sphinx | I can boot my floppy linux - it gives me a cl |
| 09:18.36 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, fuck it, easiest to just reboot and you should be able to log into gnome, do it as root, you shouldnt normally, but for my sanity it will be easiest |
| 09:18.44 | sphinx | what do I do to re-config grub? |
| 09:18.49 | sphinx | so that it boots |
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| 09:19.21 | sh0rt | sphinx, type grub |
| 09:20.18 | karsten | sphinx: See the Knoppix faq. There's a mkbootfloppy program somewhere. |
| 09:20.35 | DoctaBu | sh0rt, it seems to be going back into that crappy looking window manager |
| 09:20.38 | SlayerXP | did I join #knoppix by accident? |
| 09:20.42 | sh0rt | sphinx, >root (hd0,x) 0 is first hdd x is partiton starting from 0 |
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| 09:20.46 | SlayerXP | no, doesn't look like it. |
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| 09:21.13 | michal_ | hmm.. i wonder how it's possible i'm on the net when routing to the net isn't currently working :/ |
| 09:21.22 | sh0rt | SlayerXP, you may have joined #spaz |
| 09:22.09 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, when you logged in, was there a window that had menus to click on |
| 09:22.36 | DoctaBu | no |
| 09:23.16 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, ok, open terminal and as root apt-get install gdm |
| 09:23.26 | michal_ | whois sh0rt |
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| 09:23.52 | DoctaBu | OH |
| 09:23.54 | DoctaBu | it's starting!!!! |
| 09:24.05 | michal_ | sh0rt: can you see me? what's your ip address? |
| 09:24.05 | DoctaBu | (gnomee) |
| 09:24.11 | sh0rt | michal_, who gives a fuck |
| 09:24.17 | DoctaBu | YAY WE HAVE GNOME!!!!! |
| 09:24.18 | michal_ | i do |
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| 09:24.22 | DoctaBu | JESUS FINALLY |
| 09:24.29 | DoctaBu | Ok, it's up. |
| 09:24.37 | Phated | Jeez, all that for Gnome? |
| 09:24.43 | DoctaBu | Not necessarily. |
| 09:24.45 | Phated | *tut* |
| 09:24.55 | DoctaBu | Now I gotta get freaking drivers for my wireless card |
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| 09:25.02 | michal_ | if i /dns you I get ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 09:25.13 | sh0rt | michal_, i dont care |
| 09:25.25 | michal_ | i don't care if you don't care.. that's not my problem |
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| 09:25.55 | DoctaBu | So, now sh0rt, how can I get my wireless card working here? |
| 09:26.08 | sh0rt | michal_, whats your point are you a haxxor |
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| 09:26.30 | claw | synaptic :P |
| 09:26.39 | michal_ | no.. i'm confused by the fact that all dns servers seem to be unreachable.. seems odd |
| 09:26.58 | Ghostbuster | with ndiswrapper doctabu |
| 09:27.05 | DoctaBu | What's that? |
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| 09:27.11 | SiLENT | When I mount a DVD... |
| 09:27.15 | michal_ | doesn't that wrap the windows drivers? |
| 09:27.19 | SiLENT | It makes all the directories/files lowercase. |
| 09:27.23 | SiLENT | How can I make it not do that. |
| 09:27.52 | sciboy | I am going to repartition my disk soon and reinstall debian, howver i got all the files from /var/cache/apt/archives and i wish to have it so it can be used with apt-get like a local repository. |
| 09:27.52 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, open the filebrowser and go to /goot |
| 09:27.56 | DoctaBu | goot!@ |
| 09:27.56 | sciboy | How would i do this? |
| 09:28.40 | Ghostbuster | iam on wireless on debian |
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| 09:29.12 | DoctaBu | but, you see, I don't even really need a graphical interface, sh0rt. |
| 09:29.16 | DoctaBu | I just need a way to do this: |
| 09:29.25 | sh0rt | fuckkk |
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| 09:29.46 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, open and go to /boot |
| 09:29.59 | DoctaBu | Constantly look for a wireless conneection without WEP; when it finds one, grab and IP and stuff; then take an image from a connected webcam; then upload it to a site |
| 09:30.03 | DoctaBu | and repeat this over and over again |
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| 09:30.33 | DoctaBu | ok I'm in boot. |
| 09:30.53 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, well you cant do that can you, I cant help you if you dont have a graphical interface because its to fucking hard |
| 09:31.01 | DoctaBu | hehehe |
| 09:31.05 | DoctaBu | Ok, sure. |
| 09:31.14 | Ghostbuster | apt-get install wireless-tools ndiswrapper |
| 09:31.15 | DoctaBu | Hey, by the way, are you here often? |
| 09:31.26 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, NO |
| 09:31.32 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 09:31.32 | sh0rt | not if you are |
| 09:31.41 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 09:31.46 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, whats in boot |
| 09:31.50 | DoctaBu | well you're in luck, I got to go to sleep soon. |
| 09:31.53 | DoctaBu | same stuff as before |
| 09:32.13 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, can you click on menu list |
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| 09:32.36 | DoctaBu | menu list? |
| 09:32.56 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, is there a grub directory |
| 09:33.02 | cahoot | referring to menu.lst? |
| 09:33.20 | DoctaBu | No,sh0rt. |
| 09:33.44 | michal_ | does anyone know of any test of network throughput between a linux and windows machine that doesn't involve disk io? |
| 09:33.54 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, you have lilo dont you -here short decides to kill himself |
| 09:34.12 | DoctaBu | yes, I do. |
| 09:34.18 | sh0rt | fuck |
| 09:34.31 | DoctaBu | zhiF. |
| 09:34.33 | DoctaBu | shit* |
| 09:34.39 | sh0rt | banging my head against a wall right now |
| 09:34.39 | DoctaBu | lol |
| 09:34.49 | DoctaBu | fuck. shall we call it a night, sh0rt? |
| 09:35.03 | jm_ | michael__: nc |
| 09:35.07 | jm_ | michal_ ^^^^ |
| 09:35.17 | sh0rt | i should have known i spose |
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| 09:35.55 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, is there a lilo menu, have never used it so dont even know where it goes |
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| 09:36.40 | nachtwind | hi |
| 09:36.50 | michal_ | jm: there's an nc port for cygwin or something? |
| 09:36.51 | Dvshadow | hey wtf is ip_masq_cuseeme |
| 09:37.13 | michal_ | jm_: btw.. could you tell me your ip? i'm curious whether i can traceroute to it |
| 09:37.15 | nachtwind | i've got a small question - is it possible to move the home dir on another partition and actiuvate quota on it? |
| 09:37.23 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, what else is in boot, any thing to do with 2.6.x |
| 09:37.25 | SlayerXP | Dvshadow: it's a series of letters interspaced with underscores. |
| 09:37.30 | Dvshadow | haha |
| 09:37.33 | Dvshadow | seriously |
| 09:37.37 | SlayerXP | I am serious. |
| 09:38.00 | Dvshadow | what is the module |
| 09:38.05 | DoctaBu | 2.2.20 |
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| 09:38.11 | SlayerXP | Dvshadow: is google illegal where you live? |
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| 09:38.47 | jm_ | michal_: there is no need to have cygwin, http://www.vulnwatch.org/netcat/ |
| 09:38.50 | Dvshadow | well, is it a server modual? |
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| 09:38.54 | ozzloy | i can't hear sound, aplay tells me "ALSA lib conf.c:3461:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: Permission denied" and googling around has not helped me |
| 09:38.59 | DoctaBu | Ok, sh0rt, I __have_ to go to sleep |
| 09:39.01 | SlayerXP | Dvshadow: http://www.google.com/ |
| 09:39.05 | michal_ | jm_: i don't have access to the internet at the moment.. despite being on irc :/ |
| 09:39.08 | ozzloy | i'm thinking the problem is something easy to fix, but i don't know how |
| 09:39.12 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, look in /etc/apt/sources |
| 09:39.13 | ozzloy | could someone help me |
| 09:39.32 | DoctaBu | eeek sh0rt. |
| 09:39.37 | sh0rt | do it |
| 09:39.40 | DoctaBu | I gotta go. |
| 09:39.51 | jm_ | michal_: then I don't know |
| 09:39.53 | streuner | ozzlog: what kernel do you have? |
| 09:40.07 | DoctaBu | it's going soooo slowly |
| 09:40.08 | michal_ | jm_ maybe you could tell me the ip of www.vulnwatch.org and I could see if I can get to it |
| 09:40.09 | streuner | ozzloy: ^^ |
| 09:40.13 | scarynetworkguy | !tell ozzloy about sound |
| 09:40.15 | ozzloy | streuner, i'll hazard a guess that yur askin me. 2.6.8 |
| 09:40.23 | jm_ | michal_: /msg apt nslookup www.vulnwatch.org |
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| 09:40.32 | streuner | ozzloy: custom or official? |
| 09:40.59 | michal_ | ooh handy.. don't suppose there's any sort of xchat plugging that could be used to resolve names system wide? :P |
| 09:41.08 | ozzloy | streuner, official |
| 09:41.19 | ozzloy | streuner, i'm gonna read what scarynetworkguy said |
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| 09:41.39 | ozzloy | i am new to debian, and linux in general |
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| 09:41.43 | michal_ | heh.. amazingly i don't have access to that either.. it may be that the ONLY host on the internet I can currently route to is the irc server |
| 09:42.05 | streuner | ozzloy: Is the soundcard supported at all? |
| 09:42.11 | DoctaBu | this is taking too long, sh0rt. |
| 09:42.17 | aliasptr | Can someone suggest a good application for tracking and alerting a user when a website changes? (Google was not straight to the point, or rather my search terms weren't :-P ) |
| 09:42.17 | DoctaBu | if you can be on tomorrow, I could tlak to you then |
| 09:42.19 | DoctaBu | but I really MUST get to sleep |
| 09:42.26 | DoctaBu | I have school in less than 4 hours |
| 09:42.27 | sh0rt | DoctaBu, night |
| 09:42.36 | DoctaBu | :| |
| 09:42.38 | DoctaBu | Goodnight. |
| 09:42.42 | DoctaBu | Thank you so much for your help |
| 09:42.44 | sh0rt | try and learn something |
| 09:42.51 | DoctaBu | I am!! |
| 09:42.52 | DoctaBu | :) |
| 09:42.54 | michal_ | well.. afaik I'm now on 140.211.166.3 but I can't ping it anyway |
| 09:43.02 | ozzloy | streuner, yes it's supported, i've gotten it working in other distros |
| 09:43.07 | michal_ | by that I mean the irc server |
| 09:43.14 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, i'm running sarge, not woody |
| 09:43.19 | michal_ | i really don't understand how any of this is possible |
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| 09:43.26 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, does that apply? |
| 09:43.29 | streuner | ozzloy: well, and you run 'alsaconf' and you got the output? |
| 09:43.30 | michal_ | is there such a thing as ppp over irc? |
| 09:43.36 | sphinx | ahelp with recovering my bootloader anyone |
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| 09:43.46 | ozzloy | streuner, i did |
| 09:43.47 | brosio | k3b could burn nrg image ? |
| 09:43.59 | ozzloy | streuner, it said everything was fine, nothing was ruined |
| 09:44.01 | ruski | michael__: dont see how it's technically possible to run ppp over an irc session |
| 09:44.01 | jm_ | anything's possible, just like slirp over telnet back then |
| 09:44.02 | NeonLevel | hi i deleted the /etc/init.d/apache script now i can't install apache again, anyone please help! |
| 09:44.08 | streuner | ozzloy: check out if the soundcard is in the mobo |
| 09:44.12 | sphinx | I have a tiny linux running from a floppy - how do I recover my bootloader on the HDD |
| 09:44.35 | michal_ | i used to use slirp over a dialup connection |
| 09:44.42 | ozzloy | streuner, if it's in the mobo? it's onboard, this is a lappy |
| 09:44.45 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Yes. |
| 09:45.06 | streuner | ozzloy: ok, and when you run 'alsaconf' you still got the same result? |
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| 09:45.18 | zepher | goodday all |
| 09:45.20 | ozzloy | streuner, yes, just did it again, same result |
| 09:45.36 | ozzloy | and ran alsamixer, everything looks fine in there |
| 09:45.37 | streuner | ozzloy: any reports in BTS about? |
| 09:45.49 | NeonLevel | hi i deleted the /etc/init.d/apache script by error now i can't install apache again, anyone please help! |
| 09:45.56 | ozzloy | it detects the card, levels adequate. what is BTS? |
| 09:46.08 | NeonLevel | hi i deleted the /etc/init.d/apache script by error now i can't install apache again using dselect, anyone please help! |
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| 09:46.14 | minimec | sphinx: you probably have to mount /boot on hda. The bootloader is in /boot/grub |
| 09:46.17 | zepher | I cant get my UBS(Mouse) to work. i just installed the woody debian.. |
| 09:46.29 | sh0rt | sphinx, grub what happens |
| 09:46.47 | streuner | ozzloy: it detected the card and you saw that with alsaconf and you that result (error) then? |
| 09:46.47 | ozzloy | streuner, i actually had sound working in debian with the 2.4 kernel |
| 09:46.54 | streuner | sure |
| 09:47.07 | ildegar | hi, when I try to run su it gives me these errors:http://www.pastebin.com/262041 , what's wrong? |
| 09:47.17 | streuner | ozzloy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:47.19 | ozzloy | streuner, it detected the card in alsaconf, yes |
| 09:47.32 | moya | zepher: could you give a try to the last version of the installer...? available at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:47.48 | zepher | sure |
| 09:48.00 | sphinx | Err - I have cl linux on the floppy - and several partitions on the hdd - some of which are sarge |
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| 09:48.29 | moya | zepher: it's zillions time more user friendly that the installer included with woody |
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| 09:48.37 | sh0rt | sphere, type 'grub' what happens |
| 09:48.42 | NeonLevel | hi i deleted the /etc/init.d/apache script by error now i can't install apache again using dselect, anyone please help! |
| 09:48.49 | jm_ | NeonLevel: stop repeating |
| 09:48.59 | zepher | XD i`ve got everything else running, do i have to reinstall everything? |
| 09:49.01 | sh0rt | correction sphinx |
| 09:49.15 | sphinx | sh0rt - grub is an unknown command |
| 09:49.26 | moya | zepher: the other thing you can do is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, in the mouse section select /dev/input/mice as device and ImPS as mouse type |
| 09:49.42 | zepher | but its a usb mouse |
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| 09:50.11 | sh0rt | sphinx, then it gets hard you have to mount and chroot to your linux partition |
| 09:50.12 | ruski | NeonLevel: maybe if you can find the apache .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives you can simply install it with dpkg -i packagename.deb |
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| 09:50.22 | ozzloy | streuner, i don't think i'm at the point where i think it's a bug, probly something i did or haven't done yet |
| 09:50.39 | NeonLevel | thanks ruski |
| 09:50.46 | sh0rt | sphinx, get knoppix again |
| 09:50.59 | jm_ | that won't help, because that's basically what apt-get does |
| 09:51.05 | sphinx | sh0rt - knoppix is downloading now - but it'll take all day !!! |
| 09:51.19 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Are you in the audio group? |
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| 09:51.24 | ozzloy | what does it mean to use modconf to load my driver? |
| 09:51.30 | streuner | ozzloy: ALSA is very easy to setup in debian via alsaconf, if the soundcard is supported and you have an official debian kernel and you still got an error - its an bug then. |
| 09:51.30 | sphinx | and there is no boot floppy download |
| 09:51.33 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, i just added myself |
| 09:51.35 | jjjeff | can someone help me install a fluxbox theme |
| 09:51.42 | ruski | NeonLevel: or you could completely wipe it and start again by running dpkg --purge apache and then apt-get install apache |
| 09:51.43 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Did you log out and log back in? |
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| 09:52.24 | NeonLevel | trying the last ruski |
| 09:52.32 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, no, but i don't know that that is the problem. i had sound before with 2.4 kernel and it worked fine. but i'll try that now |
| 09:52.39 | sh0rt | sphinx, ok, so mkdir sphinx |
| 09:52.51 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Where you in the audio group till you just added yourself? |
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| 09:52.56 | Xer | hi |
| 09:53.02 | sphinx | done |
| 09:53.12 | Xer | does debian use rpm? |
| 09:53.17 | streuner | no |
| 09:53.25 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, i don't know what it means by "use modconf to load the driver" and i don't know if i was in the audio group |
| 09:53.25 | streuner | don't use rpm, use dpkg |
| 09:53.27 | sh0rt | sphinx, mount /dev/hdx /sphinx |
| 09:53.29 | ruski | Xer: there is a package (alien) to work with .rpm's |
| 09:53.49 | sphinx | and mount /dev/hda2 /sphihx gives me an error |
| 09:53.53 | Xer | ... |
| 09:53.54 | Xer | the answer is no ? |
| 09:53.57 | sphinx | sohinx |
| 09:54.02 | streuner | Xer: what's the problem? |
| 09:54.02 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: You didn't look at /etc/groups to see if you were? |
| 09:54.17 | brosio | how could i mount nrg iso on linux ? |
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| 09:54.24 | Xer | i found a lib its only in rpm |
| 09:54.32 | Xer | not in .tar or in .dep |
| 09:54.33 | streuner | brosio: google for nrg2iso |
| 09:54.34 | sh0rt | sphinx, what error |
| 09:54.37 | sphinx | error says it can't mount because of unsupported optional features |
| 09:54.45 | NeonLevel | ruski thank you very much for your help! it worked really greaT!!!!!! Thanks again! |
| 09:54.45 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, /etc/group shows me there now |
| 09:54.51 | streuner | Xer: use 'alien' then |
| 09:54.53 | streuner | !alien |
| 09:54.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 09:54.56 | sphinx | and then the usual error of wrong fs... etc |
| 09:54.57 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Where you before? |
| 09:55.10 | ozzloy | i don't know if i was there before. but i still don't know about the modconf and driver loading. |
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| 09:55.24 | Xer | cool |
| 09:55.28 | ozzloy | i did not read it before, i just did the adduser ozzloy audio command |
| 09:55.29 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: Did you try a lsmod to see if the driver is loaded? |
| 09:55.30 | Xer | i will use alien |
| 09:55.31 | Xer | :D |
| 09:55.39 | streuner | good :-) |
| 09:55.41 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, no i did not, i'll try that now |
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| 09:55.58 | phanter | how can I tar a dir (now I gt the error: can not read: is a directory) |
| 09:56.04 | sh0rt | sphinx, hda2 is your linux partition |
| 09:56.25 | sphinx | yep |
| 09:56.43 | streuner | ozzloy: what's the exact name of the laptop? |
| 09:57.13 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, i just did an lsmod | grep intel, i'll paste it in #flood if you want |
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| 09:57.30 | ozzloy | streuner, the laptop is an x1030us presario |
| 09:57.46 | ozzloy | the card is an intel i8x0 something something |
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| 09:58.13 | streuner | ozzloy: should be an 'snd-i810_audio' |
| 09:58.30 | streuner | !listkeys i810 |
| 09:58.31 | sh0rt | sphinx, what floppy are you using |
| 09:58.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'i810' by key returned no results. |
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| 09:58.47 | sphinx | HAL91 |
| 09:59.17 | Shadur | I'm sorry, sphinx, but I'm afraid I can't do that. |
| 09:59.22 | streuner | ozzloy: for OSS its 'i810_audio' |
| 09:59.28 | ozzloy | streuner, i did "lsmod | grep intel" and it gave results that look like they correspond to my soundcard |
| 09:59.44 | ozzloy | except they are i8x0 not i810 |
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| 09:59.54 | streuner | hm |
| 10:00.22 | Xer | do i really need "Red Hat Package Manager" to use alien with rpm's? :\ |
| 10:00.25 | ElectronicTempes | Hey guys.. this is a stupid question.. there is a command that brings up a blue menu with all the window managers on it.. and u choose which one you want to use and I cannot for the life of me remember what that command is |
| 10:00.26 | cahoot | snd-intel8x0? |
| 10:00.30 | sh0rt | sphinx, you have th debian floppies |
| 10:00.45 | ozzloy | streuner, i see these two: snd_intel8x0 36460 0 snd_ac97_codec 69988 1 snd_intel8x0 |
| 10:00.58 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: window managers or display managers? |
| 10:01.09 | ElectronicTempes | windowmanagers I want to go from KDE to flux |
| 10:01.17 | sphinx | nope - it was a network install |
| 10:01.21 | darkskiez | im getting soo many google server errors the last few days |
| 10:01.25 | jm_ | I have never seen such a screen |
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| 10:01.38 | ozzloy | but i still haven't logged out and back in |
| 10:01.40 | jm_ | besides, KDE is not a window manager |
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| 10:01.45 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 10:01.47 | ozzloy | maybe i should try that now? |
| 10:01.48 | streuner | Xer: rpm would be installed cause depends of alien are in |
| 10:01.53 | ElectronicTempes | jm yea I know it's not. |
| 10:02.03 | sh0rt | sphinx, yeh but how did you start it |
| 10:02.06 | ElectronicTempes | jm.. do you know where .xinitrc is then? because it isn't in my home directory |
| 10:02.07 | streuner | ozzloy: of course |
| 10:02.14 | bedboi | after frist update (SID) /dev/pt* and /dev/null permission are screwed (i use udev) |
| 10:02.21 | bedboi | anyone is aware of this issue? |
| 10:02.28 | sphinx | Ah the network install floppies? - yep - got those :-) |
| 10:02.28 | ozzloy | k, bbiaf streuner |
| 10:02.28 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: 1. don't use .xinitrc - the startup script is determined by the way you start X |
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| 10:02.43 | ElectronicTempes | jm i use it by "startx" |
| 10:02.54 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: ok, startx honours ~/.xsession |
| 10:02.56 | sphinx | want me to boot using them? |
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| 10:03.06 | ElectronicTempes | ohhhh xsession |
| 10:03.07 | sh0rt | sphinx, is there a ide or something floppy |
| 10:03.55 | ElectronicTempes | jm_ and isn't thatsuppose to be in my /home directory?? |
| 10:04.12 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: not unless you created it |
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| 10:04.18 | sphinx | the boot routine from the network install seems to insist on the network usage |
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| 10:04.45 | ElectronicTempes | jm.. when I type in startx. doesn't it look in .xsession to see to load KDE? |
| 10:05.31 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: it will use system default if you don't have the file |
| 10:05.33 | sphinx | sh0rt - there are two driver floppies - one for the network and one for the CD |
| 10:05.38 | sh0rt | sphinx, do you have the rescue floppy |
| 10:05.58 | sphinx | nope - it didn;t give me that option when I installed :-/ |
| 10:06.05 | sphinx | hence the problem..... |
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| 10:07.22 | sh0rt | sphinx, sarge is it |
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| 10:07.32 | sphinx | yep |
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| 10:08.05 | ElectronicTempes | jm_ is there anyway to change the system default? |
| 10:08.20 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: of course |
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| 10:08.56 | ElectronicTempes | jm_ lol and how do I do this? |
| 10:09.20 | sh0rt | sphinx, what have you got in there now |
| 10:09.37 | deadcat | why is xmms required by mplayer-powerpc? |
| 10:09.51 | jm_ | ElectronicTempes: with update-alternatives |
| 10:10.10 | sphinx | on the HDD several partitions - some of which are sarge and the others are b0rked windows |
| 10:10.21 | sh0rt | no the floppy |
| 10:10.30 | sphinx | I can boot the sarge network install floppy |
| 10:10.37 | sphinx | and install root |
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| 10:11.09 | sphinx | but it goes straight to the "choose language" etc..... |
| 10:11.26 | sh0rt | no install grub |
| 10:11.41 | sphinx | nope |
| 10:11.57 | sphinx | doesn't get that far |
| 10:12.08 | sh0rt | it stops |
| 10:12.13 | ozzloy | streuner, yay! it works, the sound it does |
| 10:12.15 | sphinx | tries to detect the nertwork |
| 10:12.29 | Plugster | do u guys have an deb were sasl2-bin exist? |
| 10:12.40 | sh0rt | asks for another? |
| 10:12.46 | sphinx | and stops when that isn't possible |
| 10:13.04 | Paloseco | is there some good manual to configure X on debian 3.0r4? running X -configure does not work |
| 10:13.32 | dondelelcaro | Paloseco: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 10:13.33 | green_earz | Plugster: apt-cache search sasl2 |
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| 10:14.08 | sphinx | Ah-ha ---- I have found a shell --- ash Is that any good? |
| 10:14.18 | dondelelcaro | sphinx: not particularly |
| 10:14.27 | Plugster | thanks |
| 10:15.13 | wirre | My system wont boot so I'm trying to boot from the netinstall-CD. But all rescue alternatives gives me kernel panic. "VFS:Cannot open root device". How can I boot my system? |
| 10:15.54 | green_earz | Plugster: or if it installed dpkg -L package-name to track down where it is installed |
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| 10:16.16 | Plugster | it was installed, the newest version is installed i got... |
| 10:16.30 | sh0rt | sphinx, /bin/bash grub |
| 10:16.38 | ozzloy | thanx streuner |
| 10:16.48 | sphinx | k |
| 10:16.52 | Plugster | are u good at mail server as well? or someone else that can help me? |
| 10:17.06 | sphinx | not found |
| 10:17.06 | Paloseco | dondelelcaro do i need internet connection? i have no one |
| 10:17.25 | dondelelcaro | Paloseco: well, assuming you've got the right stuff installed already, you don't. |
| 10:17.46 | Plugster | i can send mail to local user, and from local user to external e-mail, but i can't send mail from external e-mail to local.... |
| 10:17.54 | Paloseco | yeah, i have got the DVD |
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| 10:18.21 | green_earz | Plugster: dpkg -L sasl2-bin just a joe with a bit of info. |
| 10:18.27 | Paloseco | i do not know if the problem is that xfree is still crappy, would be a good idea migrate to xorg |
| 10:18.45 | sh0rt | sphinx, cd /dev then ls |
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| 10:18.56 | dondelelcaro | Paloseco: no, that's not really the problem. |
| 10:19.05 | HeavenWarrior | what is the default x cursor theme in debian |
| 10:19.08 | HeavenWarrior | sarge |
| 10:19.15 | dondelelcaro | unless you've got weird hardware, anyway. |
| 10:19.18 | dondelelcaro | HeavenWarrior: there isn't one. |
| 10:19.22 | sphinx | yep there's a list |
| 10:19.28 | sphinx | which one? |
| 10:19.34 | Paloseco | no, i just have via chipset and radeon 9600xt graphic card |
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| 10:19.43 | HeavenWarrior | dondelelcaro, i mean that one where the clock is a circle |
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| 10:19.54 | green_earz | Plugster: check out the link it may be of intrest > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ |
| 10:19.58 | sh0rt | sphinx, to #flood |
| 10:20.05 | dondelelcaro | HeavenWarrior: that's the default wait cursor for X |
| 10:20.06 | sphinx | k |
| 10:20.21 | raboof | i disabled anti-aliasing in most applications (gaim,gnumeric,lyx) by editing /etc/fonts/local.conf. however, firefox fonts are still AA. how do i disable them there? |
| 10:20.23 | dondelelcaro | Paloseco: the radeon driver should handle that no problem |
| 10:20.26 | HeavenWarrior | dondelelcaro, ok 10x |
| 10:20.37 | HeavenWarrior | i'm gonna put that theme i like it |
| 10:20.41 | Paloseco | i usually use vesa instead |
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| 10:21.41 | wirre | the full message is "vfs: cannot open root device 3a:05". it all happened after updating my system. |
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| 10:23.13 | lestest | hi there ... is there a software to monitory processes disk access? |
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| 10:24.09 | ozzloy | streuner, did you disappear? i want you to know sound works and thank you |
| 10:24.18 | phanter | I want to make a tar script and I added this:OutputFile= $BackupDir/`date +"%m%d%Y"`.tar ; tar -cvvf $OutputFile $DestDir |
| 10:24.40 | phanter | ; = newline, and the vars are defined and are directories. |
| 10:24.41 | kowi1134 | hello, anybody here who can help me with this c warning msg? "comparison is always true due to limited range of data type" |
| 10:25.00 | SlayerXP | kowi1134: which bit don't you understand? |
| 10:25.44 | phanter | now I get the error that it does not want to make an empty archive, but $DestDir does contain files ! What can be the problem? |
| 10:26.04 | kowi1134 | I have a code snippet which produces this result and its confusing me a bit: while ((c=fgetc(fp)) != NULL) |
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| 10:26.20 | kowi1134 | should work, shouldn't it? |
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| 10:27.09 | jm_ | kowi1134: how is c declared? |
| 10:27.24 | kowi1134 | note that c is of typ "unsigned char" and fp simly is of type "FILE *" |
| 10:27.33 | kowi1134 | jim_: yes it is |
| 10:27.46 | TBBle | kowi1134: And what's NULL defined as? |
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| 10:27.57 | jm_ | the nick is jm_ and I asked *how* not *if* |
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| 10:28.17 | kowi1134 | oh, sorry, i ment EOF |
| 10:29.09 | TBBle | OK, and what's EOF defined as? |
| 10:29.27 | TBBle | Or was that the mistake? |
| 10:29.28 | kowi1134 | it's the end of file defined somewhere in std libs |
| 10:29.42 | jm_ | kowi1134: fgetc() returns int, so declare c as int, it's that simple |
| 10:30.01 | kowi1134 | is a cast also possible? |
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| 10:30.04 | TBBle | kowi1134: I know that. What's its value? |
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| 10:31.05 | kowi1134 | TBBle: c has many unpredictable values |
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| 10:32.41 | kowi1134 | jim_: it works with "int c;" declared but how do i get the "unsigned char" back? i need it! just cast? |
| 10:32.47 | jack82 | Hi, I have a problem with local mail. I am a newbie, and I only want to send local mail to users. I have installed exim4 and mailx, but I can't send mails! in the mainlog file I read: |
| 10:32.51 | TBBle | kowi1134: Well, the error says the comparison is always true, so (c=fgetc()) must never be able to equal EOF. Track that through. |
| 10:32.59 | jack82 | 2005-03-24 11:16:03 1DEV06-0002bB-Ob == jack@jackmepis <clamav@jackmepis> R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (13): Permission denied: creating lock file hitching post /var/mail/jack.lock.jackmepis.4242e7c3.0000270b (euid=1000 egid=8) |
| 10:33.13 | jack82 | I use mepis3.3 |
| 10:33.39 | nagual | why do you ask us? we dont use mepis |
| 10:33.51 | kowi1134 | "man fgetc" returns fgetc() reads the next character from stream and returns |
| 10:33.51 | kowi1134 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.51 | kowi1134 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.55 | Coke | Hey all. I have a problem with libasound2 in sarge, it's too old. Problem is, I can't remove it without removing a lot of other packages. What is the easiest way to provide support with own libasound without having to remove all packages depending on libasound2? |
| 10:34.11 | kowi1134 | so it should be possible to compare against EOF |
| 10:34.41 | jack82 | nagual: well, but mepis is debian-like and I think the problem is with exim4. And you are power users!!! :-) |
| 10:34.47 | TBBle | kowi1134: Yes, but the value of (c=xxx) has the type of 'c',not the type of fgetc. |
| 10:34.50 | wirre | I really need to boot my system to fix it? Is there no way to do it with a boot cd? |
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| 10:35.26 | TBBle | (c=fgetc()) I mean. |
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| 10:36.16 | tiger1020x | how can i use make-kpkg to make kernel headers for my custom kernel? |
| 10:36.20 | kowi1134 | TBBle: thx, it don't need to cast like so: c=(char)c; but like so: img[x][y] = (char) c |
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| 10:36.50 | kowi1134 | byebye then, have to go back into my classroom |
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| 10:37.24 | TBBle | Hmm. I think he got the final answer. |
| 10:37.29 | gurrag | I cannot boot my system. I'm trying to do it with my netinstall cd as boot cd. But all rescue alternatives gives me kernel panic and the message "vfs: cannot open root device 3a:05". what should I do? |
| 10:38.36 | karsten | gurrag: What's your root filesystem? And/or do you have a bootable distro? |
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| 10:38.51 | jm_ | coke;get src pkg from sid, and build it? |
| 10:38.54 | karsten | !tell gurrag about bootable distros |
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| 10:39.41 | Pdeb | hi |
| 10:39.42 | gurrag | karsten: I have debian (unstable I think) then I did apt-update and my system would not boot. I think I answered yes on a question about updating LILO that I shouldn't have... |
| 10:39.52 | gurrag | now I'm trying to get in to fix it. |
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| 10:41.23 | SlayerXP | gurrag: if you're using unstable then you get to keep all the pieces when your system breaks. |
| 10:42.18 | gurrag | slayerxp: haha... I guess so... but is there no way to boot with my install cd and get access to my /dev/hda1? |
| 10:42.31 | gurrag | or hda2 actually |
| 10:43.03 | TBBle | gurrag: There _ought_ to be... I vaugely remember the RC3 Debian Installer had some work done on rescuing, so you might need to grab that. (I could be imagining that though) |
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| 10:43.24 | karsten | gurrag: Right. You're going to need some sort of bootable media. |
| 10:43.42 | karsten | gurrag: I suspect you missed a bit about an initrd distro. How many boot kernels do you see.? |
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| 10:44.34 | gurrag | karsten: that sounds like what i missed. boot kernels? when I boot up all goes well until "cannot open root device". then my keyboard starts blinking. |
| 10:44.34 | karsten | gurrag: Boot the install CD. Hit <alt><F2> Get shell. 'mkdir /mnt/target; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/target; cd /mnt/target; chroot .; |
| 10:44.43 | karsten | gurrag: At that point, you're chrooted onto your install. Fix your bootloader. |
| 10:45.14 | karsten | gurrag: Way before that, how many kernel options are there? Should be at least two: one standard, one "rescue" or "maintenance" boot. |
| 10:45.29 | karsten | gurrag: If you're lucky, there's four, with regular/rescue for each of two kernels. |
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| 10:46.00 | gurrag | karsten: nothing happens when pressing alt+f2. maybe I have an old install cd? pressing just f2 gives me "prerequisites for installing this system" |
| 10:46.15 | gurrag | hmm... it's woody install cd. maybe that's to old? :) |
| 10:46.22 | karsten | gurrag: boot it. That's the boot menu itself. |
| 10:46.31 | karsten | gurrag: Doesn't matter |
| 10:46.47 | gurrag | ah, got it |
| 10:48.19 | cat | press f3 |
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| 10:50.47 | gurrag | now I'm in. where do I find the file to edit for my bootloader? |
| 10:51.01 | karsten | gurrag: LILO or GRUB? |
| 10:51.17 | gurrag | lilo |
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| 10:51.26 | sh0rt | ahhhhhh lilo |
| 10:51.33 | karsten | gurrag: Do the following. First, do you have screen installed? |
| 10:52.00 | gurrag | hehe... not following... yes I have a screen... ;) |
| 10:52.40 | gurrag | typing "screen" gives me nothing. so i guess not. |
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| 10:53.06 | karsten | gurrag: 'mount -a' right now. Will mount the rest of your system under the chroot. Remember to umount it later. |
| 10:53.17 | karsten | gurrag: /usr's not mounted? |
| 10:53.26 | karsten | gurrag: 'screen' is a program. |
| 10:53.55 | gurrag | usr is mounted now |
| 10:54.04 | gurrag | I don't have screen then |
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| 10:54.39 | karsten | !tell gurrag about screen |
| 10:54.54 | karsten | gurrag: So I uninstalled the horrible and disgusting application. Microsoft, I want you to remember that MSN Messenger is a communication tool, not a place to see who can pack the most stupid features into one application. And the worst part? When I go to give feedback, I get Microsoft's favorite message: "This service is currently unavailable." |
| 10:54.59 | karsten | gurrag: Wups ;-) |
| 10:55.04 | karsten | Damn you Microsoft, I'm going back to Trillian, and probably never looking your way again. |
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| 10:55.11 | gurrag | hehe :) |
| 10:55.12 | karsten | gurrag: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/screen |
| 10:55.24 | karsten | !shoot X paste buffer |
| 10:55.48 | karsten | gurrag: You on broadband? |
| 10:56.03 | gurrag | not on the box that won't boot... otherwise yes |
| 10:56.07 | karsten | gurrag: If so: install screen right now, it's going to make life easier. |
| 10:56.19 | karsten | Um. Nevermind then. |
| 10:56.20 | Scalpel | Does anyone know how to change mouse sensitivity in X/fluxbox? |
| 10:56.28 | gurrag | the box that won't boot has no access to the net. and it's my only linux box |
| 10:57.30 | karsten | gurrag: Are you using a stock (debian) or custom (locally compiled) kernel? |
| 10:57.43 | gurrag | stock. i only installed it and have since done a lot of apt-update |
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| 10:58.49 | dolp | with my current smtp server, it only accepts email from local users.. when dialing in my users meed to setup the smtp server of thewir ISP.. how do I avoud this? I am using postfix? |
| 10:58.53 | karsten | gurrag: What kernel package / version? 'dpkg --get-selections | grep kernel-image' |
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| 10:59.12 | karsten | Scalpel: Y'know, there ought to be something but I'm not awaare. Most X environments have a setup utility. |
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| 10:59.40 | karsten | dolp: Inbound or outbound mail? |
| 11:00.04 | dolp | outbound |
| 11:00.05 | gurrag | karsten: kernel-image-2.4.26-1-586tsc |
| 11:00.14 | dolp | smtp accepts inbound from everyone |
| 11:00.18 | Scalpel | karsten: in the old days I could set it in WindowMaker with a setup tool, but in flux I can't find the option (nor the config tool ;)) |
| 11:01.32 | karsten | Scalpel: Hrm. Can you run "WMPrefs" w/in flux? |
| 11:01.44 | ozzloy | gnight all. this room has been quite helpful |
| 11:01.46 | Plugster | i follow http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ - everything is working as described in the article, but i cant send mail to an local user, from an external e-mail... please help |
| 11:01.55 | karsten | dolp: Users use one smarthost, or different ISPs? |
| 11:02.01 | karsten | gurrag: Sec. |
| 11:02.06 | gurrag | karsten: np |
| 11:02.18 | Scalpel | karsten: nope it was when I used WindowMaker, not I use fluxbox... |
| 11:02.32 | dolp | karsten: users use different ISP's.. I have no control over this |
| 11:02.35 | Plugster | dolph i have the same prob... |
| 11:02.35 | ozzloy | and by room, i mean channel |
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| 11:02.45 | karsten | Scalpel: If WMPrefs is on the box, try running it. It may help. |
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| 11:03.26 | karsten | dolp: OK. One option is you can use a single outbound GW. That really depends on _your_ smarthost's policies, and whether or not it allows other domains to send from it. Otherwise, if you're on static IP you can send directly. |
| 11:03.31 | mikeeei | can anyone recommend a deb apt mirror to download the latest kde? |
| 11:04.26 | slackd00d | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ |
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| 11:04.59 | karsten | gurrag: apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-2.4.26-1-586tsc |
| 11:05.09 | dolp | karsten: i am using postfix, not sure what you mean by smarthost |
| 11:05.12 | karsten | gurrag: See if it prompts you for bootloader config. LMK if that doesn't work. |
| 11:05.16 | mikeeei | slack, can i use that link in my sources.list files? |
| 11:05.44 | karsten | !tell dolp about smarthost |
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| 11:06.17 | karsten | dolp: Either you send mail directly (postfix contacts the remote MTA directly) or you relay through, say, your ISP's MTA, using it as a relay. AKA "smarthost". |
| 11:06.22 | husten | Hello, can someone tell me the command for making a bootfloppy with grub? |
| 11:06.41 | karsten | husten: pinfo grub |
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| 11:07.31 | gurrag | karsten: yes, now i get a screen full of "you are attempting to install an initrd kernel image..." "do you want to stop now y/n?" |
| 11:07.49 | karsten | gurrag: No, you don't want to stop. |
| 11:08.02 | karsten | gurrag: Keep letting me know what happens. |
| 11:08.33 | gurrag | karsten: will do. |
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| 11:09.31 | gurrag | karkarsten: "failed to create inird image" "dpkg: error processing kernel-image..." do you need more info? |
| 11:09.41 | karsten | husten: Unfortunatly, info sicks duck.... |
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| 11:09.53 | karsten | gurrag: Yes. More info. |
| 11:10.06 | karsten | gurrag: Is your /boot directory a seperate filesystem? |
| 11:10.29 | husten | k, i'm looking at it |
| 11:10.41 | jm_ | husten: or man grub-install |
| 11:10.58 | phanter | I need to move a webpage from one server to the other. The webpage uses MySQL. How can I mov the database allong with the webpage? |
| 11:11.07 | gurrag | karsten: "neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists" |
| 11:11.09 | husten | is there no easier way than doing the dd command? |
| 11:11.22 | jm_ | that's the easiest way |
| 11:11.29 | gurrag | karsten: no it is not |
| 11:11.54 | husten | k |
| 11:12.12 | jm_ | husten: honestly, like karsten said : apt-get install grub-doc, then info grub -> Installation |
| 11:12.25 | jm_ | and read about using grub-install |
| 11:12.55 | lestest | hi ... If I have multiple repositories for apt how do I check where a package coming from a apt-cache query is located? |
| 11:13.28 | jm_ | lestest: apt-cache policy |
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| 11:14.10 | husten | I've installed grub in my mbr, but I've to make a boot floppy, because I want to install Xp |
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| 11:14.40 | lestest | jm_: thankz |
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| 11:17.45 | _mepislover | morning |
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| 11:18.01 | lestest | since when sun has started releasing java sdk source code? |
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| 11:18.47 | gurrag | karsten: thanks for the help. I have to go to work now. hope I can ask you again soon! |
| 11:18.57 | _mepislover | is there a way to not list a specific file type using ls? i have tried ls --ignore=.txt and ls --ignore=txt but it does not work as i expected |
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| 11:19.29 | lestest | _mepislover: grep -v ? |
| 11:20.42 | _mepislover | thanks lestest |
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| 11:22.43 | husten | thanks for help, I think it works, booting now from floppy |
| 11:24.07 | karsten | re |
| 11:24.35 | karsten | gurrag: Good luck. |
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| 11:29.18 | Plugster | i have a dns prob. i have an domain (pamiro.se) and when i surf to pamiro.se the right page load, but when i surf to controlpanel.pamiro.se so does it not, i have add it to virtual host in apache, do i need to add it as well in the dns config? |
| 11:30.35 | mathieu | $ host pamiro.se |
| 11:30.35 | mathieu | pamiro.se A 195.225.105.54 |
| 11:30.39 | mathieu | $ host controlpanel.pamiro.se |
| 11:30.40 | mathieu | controlpanel.pamiro.se A 194.9.94.245 |
| 11:30.40 | torpet | Hi Plugster |
| 11:32.14 | h3li0s | I broke my SID box, using the latest libc6 from experimental...here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300842 |
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| 11:32.54 | h3li0s | now, is there a way to resolve this without installing the new upcoming Sarge? |
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| 11:33.11 | TimbrWolf | Can debian burn dvd's? |
| 11:33.44 | mikeeei | i was trying to install a package, but ti said it depended on another higher version of a different package, but the apt systemd did not retrieve the dependency. is there a reason for that? |
| 11:33.46 | tarzeau | TimbrWolf: sure |
| 11:33.48 | TimbrWolf | cdrecord can burn cd's; but what do we have for dvd's? |
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| 11:34.22 | TimbrWolf | how? what utility? |
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| 11:35.18 | majortool | what is the default start script for file-rc? |
| 11:35.30 | majortool | user configurable start script |
| 11:36.36 | TimbrWolf | tarzeau: how? |
| 11:37.09 | tarzeau | TimbrWolf: using some dvd burn tool? do you know apt-cache search ? |
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| 11:37.26 | TimbrWolf | no |
| 11:37.35 | majortool | TimbrWolf, cdrecord-ProDVD is pretty nice |
| 11:37.45 | majortool | its all i use |
| 11:37.45 | TimbrWolf | tarzeau: hows that work? |
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| 11:38.09 | tarzeau | TimbrWolf: type apt-cache search dvd burn |
| 11:38.20 | TimbrWolf | ok, thanks |
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| 11:38.54 | majortool | TimbrWolf, are you looking for something to burn dvds? |
| 11:39.24 | majortool | what is the default start script for file-rc? |
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| 11:41.11 | tobo | how can i make a script from init.d run when a user logs in via xdm?? I don't mean via .xsession but via the system |
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| 11:43.25 | timmeh1 | Can someone please spare a minute to explain how to download from debian backports (www.backports.org} |
| 11:43.27 | majortool | tobo, that sounds like something that could only be found in the how to ... most likely a script for logins with xdm |
| 11:44.00 | jez | is it safe to delete/move /lib/modules/x.y.z when x.y.z is the currently running kernel? (e.g. if I'm about to install a new kernel of the same version) |
| 11:44.24 | jm_ | jez: no, do not delete it, it will be taken care of during installation of newer version |
| 11:44.29 | majortool | jez, no |
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| 11:45.42 | yo2lux | debian-SID is enough stable for desktop usage ? |
| 11:45.59 | tarzeau | yo2lux: for me, yes |
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| 11:46.03 | genix | !crypto in main |
| 11:46.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain> |
| 11:46.10 | TBBle | jez Yes, if you're installing a new version, move it out of the way. |
| 11:46.12 | genix | sorry |
| 11:46.15 | jez | when i install it a notice is displayed saying a modules directory is already present and that i should only continue if i want to keep it, or something like that... and i'm guessing i probably don't |
| 11:46.33 | TBBle | jez: But make sure you reboot ASAP, or the running kernel willtry and load any new modules from the new compile, which may or may not work. |
| 11:47.30 | jez | ok thanks, i'm compiling one now. in the past i've just booted into another kernel while i install it, just in case. should save some time this way. |
| 11:48.27 | majortool | is there a user configurable start script? |
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| 11:48.41 | TimbrWolf | anyone use cdrecord to write dvd's? |
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| 11:48.51 | majortool | TimbrWolf, right here man |
| 11:49.01 | karsten | TimbrWolf: Yes. |
| 11:49.09 | jm_ | TimbrWolf: no |
| 11:49.36 | TimbrWolf | does it work as good as writing cd's? |
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| 11:49.44 | majortool | jm_, yup |
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| 11:50.02 | TimbrWolf | cool, thanks all |
| 11:50.14 | majortool | jm_, just grab the binary from their site and copy it to /usr/bin/cdrecord-ProDVD |
| 11:50.36 | majortool | then in that same download directory get the readme.key file |
| 11:50.42 | majortool | and export it |
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| 11:50.49 | majortool | thats all |
| 11:51.01 | brosio | exist a ps2 emulation for linux ? |
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| 11:51.52 | james_ | is there a user configurable start up script? |
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| 11:52.05 | jm_ | majortool: why? I use growisofs instead |
| 11:52.10 | dondelelcaro | james_: everything is user configurable. What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 11:52.26 | james_ | run arbitrary commands at startup |
| 11:52.53 | dondelelcaro | james_: as a user? or as the owner of the machine? |
| 11:53.04 | dondelelcaro | james_: if you're just a user, use @reboot |
| 11:53.07 | james_ | owner |
| 11:53.23 | dondelelcaro | james_: if you want them to run as root, or do something more complex, make an init.d script. See /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 11:53.24 | james_ | as root |
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| 11:54.44 | james_ | dondelelcaro, yeah this means i have to make one init script per start up option eh? |
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| 11:54.51 | badblody | : warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking /tmp/ccEtK3vW.o(.text+0x3d3): En la función `gethostpoop': <======= how can i solve this ? |
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| 11:55.20 | dondelelcaro | james_: no, you can group them together if you want, but it's generally saner to keep them separate. |
| 11:55.25 | dondelelcaro | james_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:55.28 | james_ | badblody, install glibc? |
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| 11:55.56 | badblody | james_, i'm trying to compile netcat statically |
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| 11:56.51 | james_ | dondelelcaro, set wireless stuff on start up ... bunch of other things ... gentoo has local.start and you can just add line by line commands |
| 11:57.09 | dondelelcaro | james_: the wireless stuff goes into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:57.14 | james_ | badblody, ... statically to what? i've installed netcat before ... never new there was a static compile option |
| 11:57.36 | dondelelcaro | james_: you can always compile things statically... it's just a matter of using the proper flags to the linker and compiler. |
| 11:57.43 | dondelelcaro | james_: what else? |
| 11:58.06 | TBBle | badblody: Even a statically compiled program that uses NSS (such as gethostby* functions) or pthreads needs to dynamically load the NSS and pthreads stuff. Like the error says. |
| 11:58.07 | james_ | dondelelcaro, you're not even trying to help ... lets just say there wasn't a /etc/network/interfaces ... where would i put line by line commands to execute at startup |
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| 11:58.41 | dondelelcaro | james_: eh? I'm trying to help you here. There's a reason why you don't necessarily want a single file that has commands that just get run. |
| 11:58.43 | TBBle | Or rather, the error is _trying_ to say. It's not actually very specific. |
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| 11:59.12 | badblody | TBBle, and how can i say this to the compiler ? |
| 11:59.16 | konrad127123 | Does anyone know how to connect to an ecmnet server from within Linux? |
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| 11:59.40 | TBBle | You shouldn't need to, the compiler's telling _you_ it can't find the glibc that you've compiled statically against. |
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| 11:59.43 | dondelelcaro | james_: doing things in a single file when there are pre-existing modular ways is not what you want to do |
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| 11:59.54 | james_ | dondelelcaro, both redhat and gentoo have one and i've found it very useful but i can see most people not needing to so |
| 12:00.16 | lordurza | Does anyone know how to enable large file support for apache2 under debian I cant seem to find any good documentation nor any thing saying support for large files in the apache2 configs or man page |
| 12:00.18 | dondelelcaro | james_: for most things you shouldn't need it. When you do, you write an init script. |
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| 12:00.53 | dondelelcaro | it's not like there's anything magical about local.start or whatever... that's just an init script too |
| 12:00.55 | james_ | dondelelcaro, 10-4 ... i think ill write an init script to run a local start script ;) |
| 12:01.10 | gobbles | this is going to sound stupid but i cant seem to mount my dvd rom its identified as /dev/hdg any ideas ? udf is compiled into my kernel and im running 2.4.27. and i get the error mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
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| 12:01.31 | james_ | gobbles, mount it by cdrom name |
| 12:01.38 | dondelelcaro | james_: well, think about it a bit... odds are there are better ways of doing what you're trying to do than just adding a random list of commands... |
| 12:01.47 | james_ | gobbles, oh nm you don't have udf support in your kernel |
| 12:01.52 | lordurza | anyone have any ideas for apache2 and large file support? |
| 12:01.53 | gobbles | how do i find the cdrom name ? |
| 12:01.59 | dondelelcaro | james_: FE, for the wireless stuff, sticking it in /etc/network/interfaces allows you to bring up and down the interfaces at will |
| 12:02.12 | gobbles | in kde devices i see only one device |
| 12:02.26 | torpet | is there a way to start wlan with the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:02.33 | dondelelcaro | torpet: yes |
| 12:02.36 | james_ | dondelelcaro, even with keys? |
| 12:02.40 | dondelelcaro | james_: yes. |
| 12:02.42 | saloxin | gobbles: cat /proc/filesystems | grep udf |
| 12:02.45 | torpet | i use ipw2200 |
| 12:02.46 | tony_ | is there a #debian-package irc channel? |
| 12:02.46 | james_ | gobbles, you're missing udf support |
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| 12:02.49 | torpet | how? |
| 12:02.50 | TBBle | It should be in man 5 interfaces |
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| 12:03.08 | SiLENT | I installed java, but I didn't do it with apt-get or any .deb file. |
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| 12:03.16 | james_ | gobbles, do you have your own handroll kernel built? |
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| 12:03.24 | SiLENT | I just extracted the directory, and moved it to /usr/java...but how can I get apt-get to install azureus? |
| 12:03.29 | SiLENT | It says it needs java. |
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| 12:03.46 | dondelelcaro | torpet: use modconf or whatever to load the module, then man 5 interfaces for the general syntax, then man 5 wireless; for the wireless specific options. |
| 12:03.56 | gobbles | yes i rolled my own |
| 12:03.59 | dondelelcaro | tony_: what are you looking for? |
| 12:04.03 | TBBle | SiLENT: Have a look at the java-package package, it'll install a copy of java as well as fill in all the dependancies and whatnot. |
| 12:04.07 | gobbles | and im positive i compiled udf into it |
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| 12:04.17 | TBBle | gobbles: What's /proc/filesystems say? |
| 12:04.24 | gobbles | its in the .config |
| 12:04.27 | james_ | gobbles, what TBBle said |
| 12:04.35 | tony_ | dondelelcaro, information on packaging for debian |
| 12:04.39 | gobbles | no output of cat .proc.. |
| 12:04.43 | dondelelcaro | tony_: what in particular? |
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| 12:05.02 | saloxin | gobbles: modprobe udf ? |
| 12:05.05 | tony_ | dondelelcaro, apps nothing specific yet |
| 12:05.09 | dondelelcaro | tony_: if you have a question, you can ask here or in #debian-mentors. However, it'll be better if you've already read the nm guide. |
| 12:05.12 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 12:05.12 | gobbles | not found |
| 12:05.13 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 12:05.14 | lordurza | I have a compressed file at 3.8gb and need to get apache2 to support large files anyone with any idea's how to get apache to see it? |
| 12:05.30 | gobbles | should i recompile ? |
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| 12:05.37 | majortool | gobbles, you don' htave it installed |
| 12:05.37 | tony_ | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 12:05.41 | dondelelcaro | tony_: np |
| 12:05.55 | karsten | lordurza: Can you deal with splitting it? |
| 12:05.59 | saloxin | gobbles: then you current kernel does not haveudf support. revert to debian kernel or recompile |
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| 12:06.01 | majortool | gobbles, what kernel are you using? |
| 12:06.08 | lordurza | I have thought of that |
| 12:06.09 | karsten | lordurza: Otherwise, /join #apache |
| 12:06.12 | gobbles | 2.4.27 |
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| 12:06.21 | karsten | lordurza: man split. |
| 12:06.26 | lordurza | karsten they know less so did google |
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| 12:06.47 | karsten | lordurza: It's brute force, but it's effective. Just cat the pieces together at the other end. |
| 12:06.48 | lordurza | its a problem I guess ya was thinking of splitting it in 2 if I couldnt get apache to support it but was worth a try right |
| 12:06.55 | gobbles | i would go up to 2.6.8 but i cant get an answer as to how to get a stock deb .config for my architecture |
| 12:06.58 | karsten | lordurza: May want to talk to the apache dev list. |
| 12:07.11 | majortool | gobbles, i have one ... want it? |
| 12:07.20 | SiLENT | What happens when there are two different binaries with the same name in seperate PATH directories. |
| 12:07.23 | SiLENT | Which one will bash choose? |
| 12:07.25 | gobbles | im on powerpc |
| 12:07.34 | dondelelcaro | SiLENT: which foobinary; it goes in order of PATH |
| 12:07.38 | karsten | lordurza: Heh. I was working for, um, a large financial organization with two different versions of Solaris. Both nominally supported large files, but the FTP client on one didn't. |
| 12:07.42 | lordurza | well to my knowlege and browsing google and apache forums it only supports like 2gb worth of a file which to me is odd that they would limit it but there appears to be no current solution |
| 12:07.47 | karsten | lordurza: Had to split the file to transfer it. |
| 12:08.12 | SiLENT | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 12:08.12 | lordurza | ya guess ill have to split it thanks karsten |
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| 12:08.19 | karsten | lordurza: Why are you serving 3.8 GB off a web server? FTP is a tad more efficient (less protocol overhead). |
| 12:08.23 | karsten | lordurza: NP. |
| 12:08.35 | majortool | gobbles, then just change the processor type ... basically i have the default 2.6.8 conf file ... its a huge kernel though |
| 12:08.43 | TBBle | Hmm. I thought the apache2 in Debian had large file support... |
| 12:08.50 | lordurza | its simply ease of use needing to get the file to another source far away to a user without much skill karsten |
| 12:08.51 | TBBle | Ooops |
| 12:08.56 | lordurza | looking for the easy way out more or less |
| 12:09.16 | majortool | gobbles, sparc or mac or what? |
| 12:09.17 | gobbles | no offense, but id rather get apt to install it...i just dont know how to identify the package |
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| 12:09.48 | gobbles | i type apt-cache search 2.6.8 kernel and i get a lot of stuff |
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| 12:09.52 | gobbles | mac |
| 12:10.09 | TBBle | gobbles: Is the DVD only UDF, or UDF and ISO9660? |
| 12:10.12 | lordurza | also dont like leaving ftp up for any amount of time I find it very insecure and there is no way im going to sit and explain using ftp over ssh to a windoze user of little skill lol |
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| 12:10.28 | gobbles | it should be iso as well |
| 12:10.36 | majortool | gobbles, yeah i just spent the better part of this entire week getting a handroll 2.6 |
| 12:10.40 | gobbles | but im not sure |
| 12:10.47 | TBBle | The try moutning it without a '-t'. mout should try isofs by default. |
| 12:11.25 | SiLENT | The new xchat 2.4.2 and the new firefox 1.0.2 aren't in the debian.org repositories for sarge. |
| 12:11.31 | gobbles | mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 12:11.41 | gobbles | and i know thats bs |
| 12:11.48 | SiLENT | xchat doesn't really matter |
| 12:11.56 | dondelelcaro | gobbles: then you don't have the iso9660 module loaded (or compiled in) |
| 12:11.57 | SiLENT | But firefox 1.0.2 has lots of critical security updates. |
| 12:11.59 | lordurza | gobbles is it a dvd movie or just a dvd-rw disc with data? |
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| 12:12.02 | SiLENT | Isn't that considered important? |
| 12:12.07 | majortool | gobbles, try mounting /dev/cdrom |
| 12:12.08 | SiLENT | Why has no one updated the debian repositories. |
| 12:12.19 | gobbles | dvd +r data disk |
| 12:12.34 | gobbles | dev cdrom is my writer |
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| 12:12.50 | gobbles | i have 2 different devices |
| 12:12.53 | TBBle | gobbles: What's /proc/filesystems say? |
| 12:13.01 | gobbles | no output |
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| 12:14.22 | lordurza | hmm |
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| 12:14.29 | Nicon | I have 7x120GB disc which I have made into a raid-5 array. What are my device nodes for the partitions? cfdisk suggests /dev/md0p1, p2 etc. they don't exist. |
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| 12:14.41 | lordurza | gobbles: I seen some interesting things about dvd-r's on google about using dif variations |
| 12:14.48 | TBBle | gobbles: Then something is seriously broken, your system knows about no file systems... Try modprobe isofs |
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| 12:15.07 | gobbles | duh i think im booted to the wrong kernel...lemme reboot |
| 12:15.08 | gobbles | brb |
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| 12:15.14 | TBBle | SiLENT: Maybe the fixes in 1.0.2 have been backported to whatever's in Debian at the moment. |
| 12:16.01 | TBBle | SiLENT: Firefox version upgrades in Debian have historically been a pain, because the localisations and packages modules need to be synced up, and they tend to break things between versions. |
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| 12:18.07 | Pappa | what's the .ttf name for the Bitsteam Vera Sans font? |
| 12:18.13 | Pappa | VeraSe.ttf? |
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| 12:18.43 | jm_ | Pappa: why do you care? |
| 12:18.46 | svizzero | anyone knows how to activate the alt-gr key in the xorg.conf? |
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| 12:19.07 | Pappa | jm_: i need to copy it somewhere. Why'd you think i ask? |
| 12:19.08 | SlayerXP | svizzero: x.org isn't in debian, so no. |
| 12:19.24 | jm_ | Pappa: apt-get install ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 12:19.27 | jm_ | dpkg -L ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 12:19.27 | dpkg | ii ttf-bitstream-vera 1.4-1.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:19.28 | jm_ | ... |
| 12:20.18 | Pappa | i have them. i need to know the filename for the fontname . i know the fonts are in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera/. |
| 12:21.21 | jm_ | for fucks sake |
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| 12:23.06 | cahoot | Pappa: look in the Fontmap |
| 12:24.30 | SiLENT | root@localhost:~# updatedb |
| 12:24.30 | SiLENT | /usr/bin/find: error in /etc/mtab: /.dev: No such file or directory |
| 12:25.00 | zinx | SiLENT: sid? |
| 12:25.10 | SiLENT | sarge |
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| 12:27.41 | Antonio` | hi |
| 12:27.46 | Antonio` | please, how can I find out when I edited a file the last time? |
| 12:28.18 | slackd00d | ls -al filename is a easy way = P |
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| 12:30.13 | zinx | SiLENT: well, in sid it was changed to /dev/.static/dev/ or somesuch |
| 12:30.36 | zinx | SiLENT: a reboot should make everything happy |
| 12:30.46 | zinx | SiLENT: but it shouldn't matter unless you actually accessed it |
| 12:31.54 | Antonio` | Thank you slackd00d |
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| 12:38.03 | karsten | Ubuntu and UserLinux |
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| 12:38.04 | karsten | I give you... UberLinux. |
| 12:38.06 | SiLENT | zinx, restart in linux? |
| 12:38.08 | karsten | </slashdot> |
| 12:38.16 | SiLENT | I thought you only had to restart on a kernel upgrade |
| 12:38.24 | tosh| | is it just me, or are the examples on the stunnel site obsolete? |
| 12:38.24 | karsten | We return to our normally scheduled interruption. |
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| 12:39.45 | lordurza | SiLENT: tech you dont |
| 12:40.08 | lordurza | SiLENT you could have just brought it down to runlvl 1 and like restarted everything really |
| 12:40.45 | lordurza | SiLENT: or just restarted said devices/daemons etc |
| 12:41.21 | alexscott | plop |
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| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | is "apt" a bot? |
| 12:43.22 | karsten | Antonio`: Yes. |
| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | he does not react |
| 12:43.22 | karsten | Antonio`: Also dpkg and ravenbird |
| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | I messaged apt |
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| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | now he answered |
| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | all clear |
| 12:43.22 | Antonio` | thank you |
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| 12:46.15 | karsten | et tu, BrutusLinux? |
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| 12:48.54 | mondongo | hey there ... does anybody know a good issue tracker, bugtracker and wiki? |
| 12:49.15 | caskey | rt, usemod |
| 12:49.16 | karsten | mondongo: Yes, and they're great drinking buddies, but they allways stiff me with the tab. |
| 12:49.24 | caskey | rt does bugs and issues with good email and qmail integration |
| 12:49.52 | karsten | mondongo: rt, bugzilla, Debian BTS (whatever it's called), mediawiki or TWiki. |
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| 12:50.09 | mondongo | caskey: thx |
| 12:50.12 | mondongo | karsten: thx |
| 12:50.12 | karsten | mondongo: Sorta depends what you're looking for, audience, size, features. |
| 12:50.33 | mondongo | karsten: it's for my small internet venture... three programmers, each workin' from home, and we'd like a thingy to keep track of stuff |
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| 12:51.21 | karsten | mondongo: Unfortunately, that's an "interesting question" area still. |
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| 12:51.52 | karsten | mondongo: There's a number of tools and features. You _might_ want to head over to #debian-devel and ask there, as folks there actually do development. |
| 12:52.12 | karsten | mondongo: I run a site based on TWiki (http://twiki.iwethey.org/), and like it as a Wiki, but.... |
| 12:52.28 | karsten | mondongo: ...mediawiki (Wikipedia uses it) has some really nice features. |
| 12:52.59 | karsten | mondongo: Bugtracking: I'm inclined to point at Bugzilla. It's huge, but it's actively developed and used. |
| 12:53.09 | caskey | mondongo: I have managed a (global) distributed development team using RT quite effectively. It has superior dependency management to bugzilla (imho), it's easy to tweak and works with a variety of dbmses |
| 12:53.26 | karsten | mondongo: I'd also be considering a revision control system. Likely arch, svn, or bitkeeper. And there's another new one out there. |
| 12:53.39 | karsten | caskey: Is RT DFSG free? |
| 12:53.47 | mondongo | so, it's a truly "interesting question". first time I don't get "RTFM!" as the first answer ;) |
| 12:53.47 | caskey | mondongo: dfsg? |
| 12:54.00 | karsten | !dfsg |
| 12:54.00 | bbrazil | karsten: its in woody at least |
| 12:54.00 | dpkg | dfsg is, like, the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 12:54.07 | karsten | bbrazil: OK. As what? |
| 12:54.12 | caskey | mondongo: beats me |
| 12:54.16 | timmeh1 | how can i remove webmin? |
| 12:54.17 | bbrazil | karsten: requesttracker I think |
| 12:54.28 | karsten | timmeh1: man aptitude apt-get |
| 12:54.45 | timmeh1 | it cant find it tho |
| 12:54.48 | karsten | bbrazil: request-tracker[23] |
| 12:54.56 | karsten | bbrazil: Erm. [13] |
| 12:55.05 | timmeh1 | i isntalled it like the instructions on the website |
| 12:55.06 | timmeh1 | [root@yourhost /tmp]# gunzip webmin-1.190.tar.gz |
| 12:55.07 | timmeh1 | [root@yourhost /tmp]# tar xf webmin-1.190.tar |
| 12:55.07 | timmeh1 | [root@yourhost /tmp]# cd webmin-1.190 |
| 12:55.07 | timmeh1 | [root@yourhost /tmp/webmin-1.190]# ./setup.sh /usr/local/webmin |
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| 12:55.21 | bbrazil | karsten: (1|3(\.[24])?) |
| 12:55.25 | timmeh1 | >.< |
| 12:55.35 | timmeh1 | i installed it like on the website |
| 12:55.36 | karsten | bbrazil: Hush! |
| 12:55.37 | phanter | hello. I installed apache2, mysql and php4. Then I installed phpmyadmin, but if I try to connect too that page it wants me to download a .phtml fiile? What can be the problem? |
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| 12:55.58 | karsten | timmeh1: Why are you installing from tarball? webmin's in Debian packaging. |
| 12:56.06 | sh0rt | why do i have an urge to kill |
| 12:56.09 | pingouin | do you know something like «Skype» but, free , and working with skype's users ? |
| 12:56.11 | timmeh1 | in debian it has 1.8 |
| 12:56.16 | karsten | phanter: COnfigure apache to serve PHP files. |
| 12:56.29 | karsten | pingouin: asterix is free, not sure about compat. |
| 12:56.45 | timmeh1 | and when isntalling 1.8 it wouldnt give me access |
| 12:56.51 | pingouin | thx |
| 12:56.52 | timmeh1 | for some weried reason |
| 12:56.59 | karsten | timmeh1: And you need 1.190 why? |
| 12:57.07 | karsten | timmeh1: What version of Debian? woody? |
| 12:57.17 | timmeh1 | im not sure how can i check |
| 12:57.24 | karsten | timmeh1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:57.25 | timmeh1 | its jsut what my hosting service isntalled |
| 12:57.43 | karsten | timmeh1: I'm too tired to get into this, but IMO you're going about this wrong. |
| 12:57.43 | timmeh1 | debian 3.1 |
| 12:58.01 | takatumi | !badger |
| 12:58.04 | timmeh1 | ok |
| 12:58.22 | karsten | timmeh1: Understand packaging. This would be a really good time to start. |
| 12:58.33 | timmeh1 | ok |
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| 12:58.45 | karsten | timmeh1: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 12:59.09 | timmeh1 | tho how can i remove the file |
| 12:59.17 | timmeh1 | after i installed it from tar so i can start fresh |
| 12:59.21 | karsten | timmeh1: man rm |
| 12:59.35 | timmeh1 | the directory? |
| 12:59.50 | phanter | karsten, where are the config files located? (they are not in the place where the man files tell me they should be) |
| 12:59.54 | karsten | timmeh1: If you don't know how to remove a directory, you've got no business setting up packages. |
| 13:00.03 | karsten | phanter: Um. Huh? |
| 13:00.13 | karsten | phanter: /etc/apache/ |
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| 13:00.47 | phanter | karsten, :) sorry about that, man sais they should be in /usr/local/apache2/conf/ but there is no /apache 2 in /usr/local |
| 13:00.51 | karsten | timmeh1: Find yourself a basic Linux shell introduction and read *that*. |
| 13:00.55 | Pappa | rm -r spam |
| 13:00.59 | karsten | phanter: Which manpages? |
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| 13:01.37 | phanter | karsten, man apache2 |
| 13:01.47 | karsten | phanter: Look for the "FILES" section of apache(8). |
| 13:01.58 | karsten | phanter: File a bug. I'm using apache 1 BTW. |
| 13:02.27 | phanter | karsten, but I found that dir, but there is one file inthere that is called php4.conf. Hmm, I am using apache2 |
| 13:02.30 | timmeh1 | i know how to remove a directory.... |
| 13:02.37 | karsten | phanter: ...and there's default location (which is accurate) vs. where Debian puts 'em. Apache is developed on BSD, which does things differently. |
| 13:02.40 | timmeh1 | i wanted to know if its ok to do that |
| 13:02.53 | karsten | timmeh1: It's your system. I have no fucking clue what's on it. |
| 13:03.26 | karsten | timmeh1: Generally, when you extract a tarfile, and don't like what came out of it, you delete what was extracted. |
| 13:03.53 | karsten | timmeh1: You're in *way* over your head. |
| 13:03.53 | timmeh1 | ok sorry for asking for help |
| 13:04.09 | karsten | timmeh1: Suggest you get someone on-site, frankly. |
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| 13:04.59 | tosh| | does anyone have any decent examples of stunnel.conf for connection forwarding for non-ssl aware applications? |
| 13:05.04 | Taraxacum | where do i download sarge? |
| 13:05.21 | Agrajag- | off the internet |
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| 13:05.31 | Taraxacum | WHERE was the question |
| 13:05.31 | tosh| | the intarnet |
| 13:05.32 | karsten | Taraxacum: google "sarge installer" |
| 13:05.36 | karsten | Taraxacum: Feel lucky |
| 13:05.48 | karsten | tosh|: No, no, no. |
| 13:05.50 | sh0rt | whos lucky |
| 13:05.55 | karsten | tosh|: Tah intarweb! |
| 13:06.01 | Agrajag- | Taraxacum if you can't figure out where to get it, i dunno if you up for it |
| 13:06.10 | Pappa | !tell Taraxacum about d-i |
| 13:06.17 | Taraxacum | if you can't answer i wonder why you're here |
| 13:06.36 | karsten | Taraxacum: Part of IRC support is running cluebie interference. |
| 13:06.39 | Pappa | dpkg just answered |
| 13:06.43 | takatumi | !d-i Taraxacum |
| 13:06.44 | tosh| | karsten I stand corrected! :) |
| 13:06.45 | dpkg | Taraxacum, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:06.49 | karsten | Taraxacum: Googling is a strongly recommended skill. |
| 13:07.09 | Taraxacum | who says i don't posess it then? |
| 13:07.13 | Agrajag- | Taraxacum: you'll save a lot of time by figuring out stuff yourself sometimes you know |
| 13:07.28 | karsten | Taraxacum: Well, last I checked, it _was_ *you* who asked the question. |
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| 13:07.29 | takatumi | !fgi Taraxacum |
| 13:07.30 | Taraxacum | sometimes... |
| 13:07.42 | Taraxacum | but not in this case |
| 13:07.44 | Paloseco | hi |
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| 13:08.18 | karsten | Taraxacum: Anyway, #debian comes with a 150% money-back guarantee. |
| 13:08.33 | Taraxacum | sure,i'll never buy it |
| 13:08.41 | sh0rt | i want my money back |
| 13:08.43 | karsten | Taraxacum: ...if you're not 207% satisfied, take your chit to the lady up front. |
| 13:09.02 | Taraxacum | i am just not happy with how some approches me |
| 13:09.23 | sh0rt | what money |
| 13:09.25 | Taraxacum | i asked since it was hard to find sarge when i looked on google |
| 13:09.30 | Paloseco | i have installed debian 3.0r4 but i am unable to run X, i have tried /msg dpkg set up x but i did not work, it says that i do not have IBM JDK and outputs an error |
| 13:09.47 | karsten | Taraxacum: Now you know the answer. Move on. |
| 13:09.50 | Taraxacum | so i don't need a person to tell me to look on google if i ask |
| 13:09.58 | Delph | Taraxacum: use "site:debian.org"... the google-fu is weak with this one =:) |
| 13:10.01 | Taraxacum | you're the one argueing |
| 13:10.16 | karsten | Taraxacum: Um. Actually, the correct, brief answer is to tell you how to google something. Or better, get the bot to tell you. |
| 13:10.31 | karsten | Delph: I sense in him much MSN. |
| 13:10.36 | karsten | Delph: ...or is it Jeeves? |
| 13:10.41 | Taraxacum | well he could just had used the bot then |
| 13:10.43 | takatumi | Taraxacum: why don't just shut your trap and go fucking google it? |
| 13:10.46 | Taraxacum | it tells the url |
| 13:10.47 | karsten | Taraxacum: Indeed. Bad habit. |
| 13:10.50 | Taraxacum | wich i needed |
| 13:10.59 | Delph | Taraxacum: learn how to google. It is a life-skill. |
| 13:11.05 | karsten | Taraxacum: ...and up too late. Fortunately, I'm getting a 410% raise. |
| 13:11.08 | Delph | and is "google" in the dictionary yet? |
| 13:11.18 | Taraxacum | well i just used sarge debian i think that should had been enough |
| 13:11.30 | Taraxacum | but it wasn't |
| 13:11.40 | takatumi | Taraxacum: you don't get to run it, your loss, bye. |
| 13:11.52 | karsten | Taraxacum: Well, 'sarge debian' gets lucky for me. What's your Universe? |
| 13:11.56 | tosh| | I have to provide a shell for my users to be able to change ip/netmask/defaultgw and routing. are there any tools that already do this so I can just reuse those? |
| 13:11.59 | heze | anyone know any good howto howto get radeon 7000 working properly on debian unstable? glxgears seems to be running very slowly. |
| 13:12.04 | Delph | Taraxacum: so add in extra search queries. Like which site you want to use, or maybe look for pages that link to "debian.org", or maybe look for pages that include "install" ? |
| 13:12.16 | Taraxacum | yes i know that NOW |
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| 13:12.17 | karsten | tosh|: Are your users employees, customers, or other? |
| 13:12.20 | Taraxacum | morons |
| 13:12.27 | takatumi | heze: how slow? |
| 13:12.30 | karsten | Taraxacum: Funny thing is... |
| 13:12.37 | heze | takatumi, like 400fps in the default size |
| 13:12.38 | karsten | Taraxacum: ...it's the morons who have all the answers. |
| 13:12.49 | Taraxacum | whatever |
| 13:12.51 | tosh| | karsten admins of a customer of ours, but I ONLY want to allow those things |
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| 13:13.13 | karsten | tosh|: Right. For technical users, sudo with limited commands works. |
| 13:13.30 | karsten | tosh|: ...or a restricted shell (bash option) with menu-driven options. |
| 13:13.50 | tosh| | karsten I was thinking about a menu, with only ifconfig, route, hostname and stuff like that accessable |
| 13:14.01 | karsten | tosh|: I'm not aware of a general web front-end. Most shops I've been at have written an application. Depends on whether you want the updates live or mediated. |
| 13:14.02 | lewis | do you need to enable quota support in the kernel for exim4 quotas to work? |
| 13:14.37 | karsten | tosh|: If the latter, something that submits via email would be sufficient. |
| 13:14.51 | tosh| | karsten what? |
| 13:15.10 | karsten | tosh|: If you're going to give them shell access (ssh), it's trivial to write a shell script, case/esac statement, etc. |
| 13:15.21 | karsten | tosh|: what what/ |
| 13:15.27 | karsten | tosh|: s/\//?/ |
| 13:15.32 | takatumi | heze: tried the ati drivers? |
| 13:15.44 | tosh| | karsten they can break out of a shellscript |
| 13:15.48 | tosh| | karsten I was thinking about C |
| 13:15.49 | heze | takatumi, yah the driver is "radeon" isn't that ati? |
| 13:16.02 | tosh| | karsten make a new shell for them, which gives them a menu |
| 13:16.04 | Taraxacum | hmm what happend to that page they show current and ealier releases of sarge? |
| 13:16.09 | tosh| | karsten execute the ifconfig, route, etc commands from my c program |
| 13:16.09 | takatumi | heze: yes. |
| 13:16.09 | karsten | tosh|: man bash. '-r' option IIRC. |
| 13:16.37 | tosh| | mmm |
| 13:16.37 | takatumi | heze: but which driver? the default xserver-xfree86 one? |
| 13:16.41 | karsten | tosh|: ... 'RESTRICTED SHELL' Read that bit. AFAIK breaking out would be a bug. |
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| 13:17.04 | tosh| | karsten I'll look into it, thnx |
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| 13:17.09 | karsten | tosh|: NP. |
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| 13:17.41 | heze | takatumi, it's pretty much default xfree from unstable packages with the X configuration configured |
| 13:18.14 | takatumi | !tell heze -about ati drivers |
| 13:18.23 | karsten | Taraxacum: You're going to want to give this a read as well. If you're doing a vanilla install on reasonable desktop/laptop kit, with a broadband connection, I'd recommend a netinst. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 13:19.27 | phanter | hmm i cannot figure out what to change to make apache know that it can use php4 |
| 13:19.36 | phanter | who can help me with that |
| 13:19.52 | karsten | !tell phanter about repeat |
| 13:19.55 | jm_ | phaethon: read things in /usr/share/doc/php4 |
| 13:20.07 | karsten | phanter: If nobody here can, try #apache or the debian-user mailing list (or another list). |
| 13:20.11 | TBBle | phanter: Is this Debian stable, sarge or sid? |
| 13:20.35 | phanter | TBBle, sarge |
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| 13:21.35 | TBBle | Should just work. You install the PHP4 package, and it drops a file in /etc/apache{2,}/conf.d/ and .php files are processed through php4. |
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| 13:21.54 | lestest | is it possible to insert a package based on 2sdk in debian? |
| 13:22.02 | lestest | 3sdk=j2sdk |
| 13:22.06 | lestest | ouch |
| 13:22.12 | takatumi | 4sdk |
| 13:22.14 | lestest | damn fingers :) |
| 13:22.43 | TBBle | lestest: Try java-package... Or ask dpkg about java I think. |
| 13:22.52 | Delph | lestest: #debian-java contains people who are packaging java for debian, i think. |
| 13:23.02 | lestest | thankz :) |
| 13:23.04 | Delph | but if you just want to install it |
| 13:23.12 | Delph | then get java-package, and use that to build your own deb's |
| 13:23.33 | lestest | nope ... I whould like to know if it is possible to add it to the debian packages |
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| 13:23.53 | tosh| | sigh, where are the days where stunnel accepted CLI options... |
| 13:23.53 | Delph | yeah, #debian-java probably sensible then. |
| 13:23.57 | TBBle | lestest: Oh. Nope. Ask dpkg about java, and have a look at JavaInMain in the Debian wiki. |
| 13:24.08 | phanter | well i know it should work (did it before), but... guess what it does not! |
| 13:24.22 | bob2 | lestest: you cannot add packages that require a non-free JDK or JRE to Debian |
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| 13:24.32 | bob2 | they might be eligible for contrib or non-fre, tho |
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| 13:25.52 | jetscreamer | did you get my message dude? |
| 13:26.31 | lestest | bob2: even if j2sdk is needed just to build them? |
| 13:26.49 | bob2 | lestest: yes |
| 13:27.00 | karsten | !tell lestest about dfsg |
| 13:27.05 | bob2 | how is it possible to only need the JDK to build them? |
| 13:27.08 | karsten | lestest: ...that's the requirements for inclusion within Debian. |
| 13:27.12 | bob2 | surely you need the runtime libraries, too. |
| 13:27.16 | caphuso | a build- but no run-time-dependancy on java? |
| 13:27.30 | caphuso | what kind of moron would come up with that idea? |
| 13:27.46 | karsten | caphuso: Well, if you code doesn't run, it's n-complete. |
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| 13:28.43 | jetscreamer | bob2 sorry to bother you, but did you get my msg yesterday? |
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| 13:29.13 | tosh| | is it normal for stunnel to just die without any output whatsoever? |
| 13:29.29 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure I've made my opinion on homophobic crap clear in the past |
| 13:29.34 | karsten | tosh|: After how long? |
| 13:29.43 | jetscreamer | that would be a yes? |
| 13:29.43 | karsten | tosh|: What's your tcp keepalive value? |
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| 13:30.01 | bob2 | yes |
| 13:30.02 | tosh| | karsten I don't seem to have one |
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| 13:30.10 | lestest | caphuso: there is no free java2 runtime env ? |
| 13:30.15 | tosh| | karsten any way I can make a socket open and stay open? |
| 13:30.27 | tosh| | karsten proxy-ish |
| 13:30.37 | jetscreamer | i have an exact copy if you need it |
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| 13:30.59 | karsten | tosh|: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl |
| 13:31.21 | karsten | tosh|: A lot of firewalls time out at 10, 5 or so minutes. |
| 13:31.30 | karsten | tosh|: Try 600, 300, 180, etc. |
| 13:31.39 | karsten | tosh|: Long shot, BTW, but it's bit me. |
| 13:31.48 | jetscreamer | ah missed the yes okie cool |
| 13:31.59 | karsten | tosh|: ...and how long does your stunnel stay sopen. Um. Open. |
| 13:32.34 | TBBle | lestest: If you can build and run with free java tools (cf. JavaInMain) then it's fine. If it only builds with the j2sdk, then it can't go in main, even if it _runs_ with free tools. Then it's a candidate for contrib, I believe. |
| 13:32.50 | tosh| | karsten any way of generating keepalives? I want this tunnel to stay open... its a tunnel between two non-ssl apps |
| 13:32.57 | jetscreamer | i apologize for any unintened homophobish appearing stuff bob2 i have nothing against gays. |
| 13:33.18 | jetscreamer | unintended |
| 13:33.18 | karsten | tosh|: IIRC there's a keepalive option in ssh. |
| 13:33.31 | tosh| | karsten ssh yes, but I'm using stunnel :) |
| 13:33.32 | bob2 | jetscreamer: good |
| 13:33.33 | SlayerXP | homophobia is just _so_ gay |
| 13:33.37 | bob2 | I don't know why you think Im' out to get you |
| 13:33.41 | karsten | tosh|: Um. No data there. |
| 13:33.51 | karsten | SlayerXP: But _isn't_ it? |
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| 13:33.58 | lestest | TBBle: do you think that a complete free java 2 implementation will be available? |
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| 13:35.47 | TBBle | lestest: I have no idea. Between kaffe, classlib (is that the one?), swt, swingwt et. al, we can hope. |
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| 13:36.15 | TBBle | At least Sun are rejigging their license for the next Java release, so it'll be easier to demonstrate that it's not DFSG, in case there's any question about it now. |
| 13:36.35 | lestest | rejigging? |
| 13:36.54 | karsten | lestest: Jigging again. |
| 13:36.57 | karsten | lestest: ...repeatedly. |
| 13:37.08 | bob2 | sablevm + classpath can run a surprising amount of stuff |
| 13:37.16 | bob2 | like, most everything aside from swing, aiui |
| 13:37.28 | TBBle | Yeah, like the irish dance. It means to move about without actually achieving anything but expenditure of kinetic energy. |
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| 13:37.54 | TBBle | And swingwt, which has just arrived in main I think, means we should get swing going too. I hope. ^_^ |
| 13:38.08 | stew | tomcat is moving to main soon even |
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| 13:38.38 | bob2 | maybe using swing would make me hate java less |
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| 13:38.41 | bob2 | awt was gross |
| 13:39.00 | stew | http://java.debian.net/index.php/MovingJavaToMain |
| 13:39.08 | ben_vos | bob2: swing isn't great either... |
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| 13:39.48 | bob2 | heh |
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| 13:40.09 | stew | it's certainly great compared to awt |
| 13:40.10 | memoryleak | hi |
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| 13:40.24 | ben_vos | consider me spoiled by QT |
| 13:40.47 | bob2 | yeah, glade spoiled me, too |
| 13:41.21 | memoryleak | Wich packages will be installed, when i select "Mail-Server" on the Packages List of "Debian Software selection"? |
| 13:41.21 | qwertz | Is there any file limit in a directory for ext2/ext3 file systems? |
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| 13:41.49 | bob2 | qwertz: it gets annoyingly slow when you hit the thousands |
| 13:41.50 | tyia | is there a way to adjust spooling in cups? my printer prints about 5 pages, then (seems the most likely cause) the memory fills up and it stops printing & displays error |
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| 13:42.02 | bob2 | if you're on 2.6, you can use the directory hash thingy |
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| 13:42.32 | bob2 | or use xfs or something which does that by default |
| 13:42.33 | tyia | qwertz: you don't mean file size limit do you? |
| 13:42.49 | karsten | qwertz: there's a filesystem limit set by the number of inodes. |
| 13:43.06 | bob2 | running out of inodes is pretty impressive |
| 13:43.11 | bob2 | even with tons of maildirs |
| 13:43.38 | Pappa | anyone played BilliardGL? |
| 13:44.05 | karsten | qwertz: Performance starts to dog after ~2k-6k files, depending, as the directory is a sequentially scanned list. Makes inserts/deletes slow. I've hit upwards of 130k files/dir in reiserfs with no issues, but it was *gobs* slower in ext2/3fs |
| 13:44.23 | karsten | bob2: ext3 hashes in 2.6? |
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| 13:45.18 | bob2 | yeah |
| 13:45.28 | bob2 | there's a tune2fs option for it |
| 13:45.28 | asg | Pappa: foobillard was pretty good, haven't played with BilliardGL though. |
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| 13:45.35 | svizzero | anyone knows why users cannot write in their home directories? |
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| 13:46.07 | memoryleak | svizzero: check rights and owners |
| 13:46.08 | qwertz | found a directory with 19k files and thought that could raise a problem sometime |
| 13:46.11 | streuner | svizzero: man chmod, man chown |
| 13:46.12 | oOSphaXOo | hi |
| 13:46.14 | ben_vos | ll $HOME should help |
| 13:46.15 | karsten | qwertz: Example, free inodes on my root FS: Free inodes: 46375 |
| 13:46.20 | Pappa | asg: oh so you wouldnt know.. i just played through a tutorial, seemed good, but it says "hold space to charge up power.." guess what? it fires immidiatly |
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| 13:46.33 | karsten | qwertz: That's on a ~250 MB fs. |
| 13:46.37 | asg | Pappa: ah, file a bug |
| 13:46.42 | svizzero | memoryleak, streuner, rights and owner are correctly set |
| 13:46.49 | stew | rc3 is out! huzzah! |
| 13:46.54 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:46.55 | asg | stew: yes |
| 13:47.05 | karsten | stew: d-i? |
| 13:47.07 | stew | yeah |
| 13:47.11 | streuner | svizzero: show us the output of mount (only for the fs) |
| 13:47.21 | karsten | asg: Long time, no drool. |
| 13:47.28 | asg | karsten: hiya, how are things? |
| 13:47.42 | karsten | asg: Life's hard, if you know what I mean. |
| 13:47.48 | asg | karsten: hah |
| 13:48.04 | svizzero | /dev/sda1 / reiserfs noatime0 0 |
| 13:48.10 | svizzero | from fstab |
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| 13:48.17 | Nicon | if I create partitions on my /dev/md0, what will the access device nodes be? cfdisk suggests /dev/md0p1 etc, though they don't exist. |
| 13:48.26 | streuner | svizzero: not from fstab... |
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| 13:49.17 | karsten | Nicon: What's md0? RAID? |
| 13:49.24 | TBBle | Nicon: I didn't think you could partition an md device, you had to use it as an lvm physical volume. |
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| 13:49.33 | streuner | svizzero: /exec -o mount | grep sda1 |
| 13:49.52 | Nicon | karsten: yes. raid-5 consistant of 7x120G |
| 13:49.53 | streuner | karsten: yeah |
| 13:49.56 | Nicon | TBBle: oki. as I guessed then |
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| 13:50.11 | karsten | Nicon: Right. I just learned about that IIRC. |
| 13:50.38 | svizzero | streuner, invalid option -o |
| 13:51.00 | streuner | svizzero: in your irc-client not in bash |
| 13:51.17 | svizzero | lol :P |
| 13:51.19 | svizzero | sry |
| 13:51.28 | svizzero | /dev/sda1 on / type reiserfs (rw,noatime) |
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| 13:51.57 | Nicon | so if I cannot partition my raid device.. it'll be very hard using it as anything partitionated and good for a linux system to be on it. especially if you want an initrd taking care of cryptlooping that device |
| 13:52.30 | karsten-sleep | Nicon: That's what LVM's for. |
| 13:52.41 | please_help | uhm, could anybody help me with my ip configuration? ive got this config: http://members.chello.at/gamestation/default.htm |
| 13:52.43 | TBBle | As I said before. |
| 13:52.47 | please_help | i dont know why it works |
| 13:52.52 | please_help | *dont |
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| 13:53.08 | Nicon | karsten-sleep: it will be very hard getting my system to initialize the LVM before it boots and use itself as root |
| 13:53.18 | Nicon | karsten-sleep: you see with a raid device that is taken care of at kernel init |
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| 13:54.06 | Nicon | I don't have any spare discs, just an md0 which is 7x120G raid5 :) |
| 13:55.01 | TBBle | Nicon: Umm, I think /boot can't be on LVM (unless it changed) although I have a vauge recollection that the md stuff has some built-in lvm support. Or I might have that backwards... |
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| 13:55.53 | streuner | svizzero: where you got that fstab entry from? |
| 13:56.04 | Nicon | TBBle: device mapper and LVM are two separate things. and the raid can compile at bootup creating /dev/md0, but the LVM need software init to work |
| 13:56.12 | TBBle | Nicon: When I setup an LVM/RAID-1 config, I had md0 with /boot and md1 as an lvm physical volume. |
| 13:56.18 | TBBle | Doesn't lvm2 use device mapper now? |
| 13:56.18 | SuperCatFrog | hi - is there a website that allows you to browse debians packages? like gentoo-portage is for gentoo |
| 13:56.31 | stew | !pdo |
| 13:56.31 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 13:56.33 | TBBle | SuperCatFrog: packages.debian.org |
| 13:56.40 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: pdo? |
| 13:56.40 | Nicon | TBBle: LVM2 use device mapper yes |
| 13:56.45 | SuperCatFrog | thaks |
| 13:56.47 | SuperCatFrog | *thanks |
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| 13:56.59 | streuner | svizzero: Do you running gentoo? |
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| 13:57.36 | Nicon | TBBle: problem is that I want to store a kernel somewhere and an initrd and boot the machine and use the rest of the md0 as a cryptloopback |
| 13:57.42 | Eclipser | has anyone been able to get midi working on SB Audigy2? |
| 13:57.47 | Nicon | after the kernel boot we have a software init of LVM stuff |
| 13:57.51 | Nicon | so that's all good. |
| 13:57.54 | Nicon | but need that first part. |
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| 13:58.49 | TBBle | Nicon: Hmm, tricky. Does lilo understand LVM now? |
| 13:59.07 | Nicon | TBBle: nope. but grub can load a kernel of a raid-5 array. |
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| 13:59.18 | Nicon | TBBle: problem is that I cannot partitionate the raid array.. |
| 13:59.48 | Nicon | TBBle: else I'd just throw a /boot 100M and a "rest of the disc" partition which I chrooted into after cryptloop mounting it |
| 14:00.06 | asg | streuner: it's a useful general tuning option (noatime) for some situations. |
| 14:00.34 | TBBle | Nicon: Tried google? Googling for root on lvm turned up a whole bunch of stuff. |
| 14:01.02 | TBBle | Wait, I'm an idiot. This is /boot on LVM.' |
| 14:01.03 | Nicon | TBBle: did it on raid stuff. but yea. can try some on LVM. possible that grub has something intergrated |
| 14:01.15 | Nicon | TBBle: I can actually put /boot on an LVM |
| 14:01.18 | Nicon | np. |
| 14:01.27 | Nicon | just use /dev/md0 as a pv |
| 14:01.39 | Nicon | and create a single vg with a 100M lv |
| 14:01.43 | Nicon | called boot |
| 14:01.44 | Nicon | :) |
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| 14:02.48 | Nicon | TBBle: have to go though. tnx for feedback. :) will look into tonighty |
| 14:03.01 | stew | abrotman: did you guys get snow last night? |
| 14:03.08 | stew | can belive we did |
| 14:03.09 | abrotman | stew: not a single bit :) |
| 14:03.13 | stew | can't* |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | stew: i saw on the news you did .. we didn't get anything but rain |
| 14:03.36 | abrotman | well .. unless it all melted before i went to work i guess |
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| 14:03.46 | TBBle | Nicon: Good luck with that. If you get it neat, maybe we need a howto. ^_^ |
| 14:03.56 | stew | it was wet enought that i don't have to shovel this morning |
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| 14:05.13 | abrotman | stew: always a plus |
| 14:05.47 | pingouin | :) |
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| 14:05.51 | pingouin | nice ? |
| 14:05.55 | asg | BadMan: some guy also did a walkthrough debian install that you can telnet too as well. |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | i bet yoda still has beady eyes |
| 14:06.10 | jm_ | probably used ttyrec |
| 14:06.14 | brosio | in which deb pakage could i found ref_softx.so ? |
| 14:06.15 | pingouin | lol |
| 14:06.17 | BadMan | asg: thatd be kewl |
| 14:06.25 | abrotman | !tell brosio about search |
| 14:06.25 | jm_ | brosio: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:06.39 | asg | BadMan: looked like it was a minicom log of a serial-console install |
| 14:06.59 | BadMan | hmmm... how would you capture something like that lol |
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| 14:08.21 | r3z` | How can i setup apt with a proxy server? |
| 14:08.24 | jm_ | BadMan: apt-cache show ttyrec |
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| 14:09.22 | tyia | r3z`: man apt.conf |
| 14:09.30 | r3z` | err nm brainfart |
| 14:09.32 | tyia | r3z`: and search for proxy |
| 14:09.45 | BadMan | jm_: thanks |
| 14:09.47 | r3z` | was trying to use netbios names like a dumbass instead of ip |
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| 14:10.04 | jorgito_ | hi |
| 14:10.11 | jorgito_ | what does mean frame info in ifconfig output? |
| 14:10.12 | tejing | hi |
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| 14:13.08 | jorgito_ | what does mean frame info in ifconfig output? |
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| 14:13.57 | Eclipser | hmmhmm |
| 14:14.23 | phanter | oke, I just removed everything that has to do with apache, apache2, php and mysql. I will start all overagaininstalling. Do you have any suggestions for me to get it to work rightaway (especially for php)? |
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| 14:15.35 | asg | phanter: install apache first, then php4, then php4-<modules> |
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| 14:16.08 | asg | phanter: also, reading /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian{.gz} will provide post-install config tips. |
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| 14:17.05 | phanter | asg, how do i open /README.Debian{.gz} and do you recommend me to use apache or apache2 |
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| 14:17.40 | Rawplayer | phanter: with zless |
| 14:17.43 | asg | phanter: zless <foo> ; I recommend apache but I've used apache2 with mod_python in production systems and haven't had much trouble |
| 14:17.58 | jm_ | man lesspipe and use less |
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| 14:20.41 | quiet | how come my debian box doesn't show any name in the dhcp leases on my Windows 2003 Server?? it just gives the IP, but the name field is blank.. do I need to set the name somewhere other than /etc/hosts? |
| 14:21.08 | asg | quiet: there is a hostname= option you can use in /etc/network/interfaces to indicate the machine hostname to the dhcp server. |
| 14:21.13 | TBBle | quiet: Depends on the DHCP client, but you'll need to configure _it_ to send the hostname. |
| 14:21.26 | TBBle | asg: Oh! Neat. |
| 14:21.54 | asg | TBBle: I've never had a need to use it but some find it handy :) |
| 14:22.31 | TBBle | It'll be useful for auto-dns from DHCP leases. ^_^ |
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| 14:26.17 | quiet | asg, where do I add the hostname= in /etc/network/interfaces? i tried to just add it on it's own line under the #The Primary network interface but it didn't show up...any ideas? |
| 14:26.22 | pientra | Where are my fetched packages located? The ones from apt-get |
| 14:26.51 | jm_ | pientra: man apt-get |
| 14:27.00 | pientra | jm_: yay |
| 14:27.31 | jm_ | quiet: ou have examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown - also man interfaces |
| 14:27.33 | jm_ | you even |
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| 14:27.43 | quiet | thanks |
| 14:28.07 | asg | quiet: and it should be 'hostname foo', the '=' above was a typo |
| 14:28.16 | quiet | asg ah! thanks |
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| 14:28.55 | pientra | jm_: I guess something like apt-get clean would be fine |
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| 14:29.38 | jm_ | pientra: up to you if you need to do it |
| 14:29.56 | pientra | jm_: i HAVE to ;) |
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| 14:30.28 | jm_ | pientra: ahh, need more space for porn ;) |
| 14:30.46 | mrcoyote_ | Hello all |
| 14:31.06 | shmendrik | hello |
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| 14:31.16 | pientra | jm_: heh, nah .. but that would be nice |
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| 14:31.45 | SuperCatFrog | hi - im very new to debian (but familiar with other distro's). is kde 3.4 available through apt-get? |
| 14:31.53 | quiet | SuperCatFrog, no |
| 14:32.00 | TBBle | takatumi: I didn't either. Where'd you see this? |
| 14:32.08 | streuner | quiet: no? |
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| 14:32.14 | spiekey_ | hi |
| 14:32.17 | takatumi | TBBle: set pager to most |
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| 14:32.21 | quiet | i don't believe so is it?? maybe in SID? |
| 14:32.27 | streuner | SuperCatFrog: well, they are available, but not official |
| 14:32.37 | spiekey_ | i am getting the error: (WW) VESA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found; (EE) No devices detected. |
| 14:32.40 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.41 | asg | SuperCatFrog: /topic #debian-kde |
| 14:32.54 | bob2 | spiekey_: don't enter a bus id |
| 14:32.57 | asg | spiekey_: try not using a bus id |
| 14:33.02 | spiekey_ | ah, ok ;) |
| 14:33.06 | spiekey_ | that was easy ;P |
| 14:33.18 | takatumi | TBBle: tried? |
| 14:33.26 | greycat | Why yes, it DOES answer his question. |
| 14:33.33 | shmendrik | hello guys i need help, i have a home network hosted on a Debian box feeding a DSL line. I want to add the ability to dial in by normal phone line and have the remote system join the household network via ppp. |
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| 14:33.40 | shmendrik | is it possible? |
| 14:33.44 | streuner | greycat: hm? |
| 14:33.45 | asg | anyone feel like putting rc3 news in the topic? |
| 14:33.46 | bob2 | of course |
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| 14:33.54 | spiekey_ | thx 4 help, bye! |
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| 14:34.08 | takatumi | TBBle: hah. |
| 14:34.11 | greycat | asg: is there anything surprising? |
| 14:34.16 | *** topic/#Debian by bob2 -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet || d-i rc3 out! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 14:34.24 | asg | greycat: supposedly hppa should work but for some reason only with 2.6 kernels? |
| 14:34.24 | shmendrik | or can you give me some tutorials about it? |
| 14:34.24 | takatumi | TBBle: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg00319.html |
| 14:34.34 | greycat | asg: I haven't tried yet. |
| 14:34.38 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Was that to add the /umode +E stuff? |
| 14:34.44 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: no, d-i |
| 14:34.53 | asg | greycat: ah, okay. Hopefully it will fix the 2.6.8 issue with the blades too. |
| 14:35.04 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: http://www.redellipse.net/code/topic-diff |
| 14:35.21 | greycat | and hopefully it'll have a kernel-image that actually has matching a kernel-headers package... |
| 14:35.29 | ricky_clarkson | bob2 is now officially a gerbil |
| 14:35.30 | bob2 | hm, this connection is a hundred times less crap now it's 0130 |
| 14:35.34 | takatumi | asg: which is the 2.6 kernel on it? |
| 14:35.46 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: well, yeah, pasc sucks |
| 14:35.51 | bob2 | so does asuffield |
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| 14:36.18 | takatumi | TBBle: I was all O_O too, might finally feel like reading man pages ;) |
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| 14:37.56 | takatumi | karsten-sleep: thank you for coloring my man pages. :) |
| 14:38.03 | TBBle | Hmm. Most has a kanji mode? This bears investigation. ^_^ |
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| 14:38.30 | bob2 | yeah, it renders anime smileys using unicode |
| 14:38.58 | jm_ | xD |
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| 14:39.16 | jharrisonwk | anyone know of an opensource alternative to MS live meeting? |
| 14:39.18 | shmendrik | hello guys i need help, i have a home network hosted on a Debian box feeding a DSL line. I want to add the ability to dial in by normal phone line and have the remote system join the household network via ppp. |
| 14:39.21 | ruzbeh | how can i do a chroot install besides debootstrap? |
| 14:39.34 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: probably best to explain what it does |
| 14:39.40 | bob2 | ruzbeh: why don't you want to use debootstrap? |
| 14:39.50 | ruzbeh | bob2, because it's not working |
| 14:39.51 | bob2 | shmendrik: yes, of course it's possible |
| 14:39.51 | shmendrik | can u guys give me just a hint or what package to install |
| 14:39.53 | jharrisonwk | bob2: it allows webinar type mettings |
| 14:40.02 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: I don't know what a "webinar" is |
| 14:40.04 | streuner | jharrisonwk: no idea about, but did you try gnomemeeting? |
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| 14:40.27 | jharrisonwk | bob2: its software that allows you to have meetings with people online |
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| 14:40.32 | bob2 | shmendrik: it's just a matter of getting pppd to answer calls, and then setting a local-ish ip |
| 14:40.39 | takatumi | TBBle: have seen your nick in some other channel, can't recollect. |
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| 14:40.47 | bob2 | shmendrik: then setting up a route between your ppp network and the local one |
| 14:40.50 | jharrisonwk | bob2: like we want to have a LUG meeting but online rather then everyone physically coming to a location |
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| 14:40.58 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: gnome-meeting I guess |
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| 14:41.02 | shmendrik | <bob2>ok |
| 14:41.10 | bob2 | shmendrik: doesn't the ppp documentation explain how to get it to answer calls? |
| 14:41.15 | streuner | !info gnomemeeting |
| 14:41.15 | bob2 | that sounds like the hardest bit |
| 14:41.19 | dpkg | gnomemeeting: (The GnomeMeeting Voice Over IP Suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3032 kB, Installed size: 8672 kB |
| 14:41.24 | ruzbeh | why doesn't dpkg have a more updated guide on chroot installation? |
| 14:41.39 | bob2 | ruzbeh: because debootstrap is the only way to do in sarge |
| 14:41.41 | bob2 | and woody |
| 14:41.51 | xk | hm.. about time adobe updated acroreader to 7.0 |
| 14:41.55 | ruzbeh | bob2, damn, damn, damn |
| 14:41.59 | jm_ | xk: yeah |
| 14:42.06 | bob2 | ruzbeh: why don't you just say "Hi, I'm trying to use debootstrap to install Debian but I'm getting an error. I'll paste it in #flood." |
| 14:42.07 | xk | 40megs! hah. |
| 14:42.07 | streuner | xk: done, looks nice :-) |
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| 14:42.12 | shmendrik | <bob2>ok thanks a lot |
| 14:42.13 | xk | streuner: it depends on gnome? |
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| 14:42.18 | streuner | xk: no idea |
| 14:42.22 | ruzbeh | bob2, I already did that yesterday |
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| 14:42.28 | xk | if it does... that's sad. |
| 14:42.28 | jm_ | indeed, and 96MB when you install it |
| 14:42.33 | bob2 | ruzbeh: and? |
| 14:42.33 | shmendrik | <bob2>have you tried that? |
| 14:42.36 | xk | I'm not going to install 50megs of gnome libs. |
| 14:42.37 | ruzbeh | bob2, there was a guy who had the same problem like me, no matter what mirror he used |
| 14:42.39 | jm_ | xk: it's statically linked |
| 14:42.44 | xk | jm_: cool ;) |
| 14:42.45 | bob2 | shmendrik: nope |
| 14:42.53 | ruzbeh | bob2, so, I'm stumped |
| 14:42.56 | heze | hmm, i've followed http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html but when inserting the new kernel module, i get "device not found" errors =( might the radeon 7000 be unsupported |
| 14:42.56 | bob2 | ruzbeh: sure your network doesn't suck? |
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| 14:43.00 | takatumi | ruzbeh: which debootstrap version? |
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| 14:43.03 | ruzbeh | bob2, yes, yes |
| 14:43.05 | xk | any unofficial debian packages? |
| 14:43.06 | ruzbeh | takatumi, the latest |
| 14:43.17 | greycat | heze: ask #ati |
| 14:43.18 | bob2 | ruzbeh: you could use a potato root tarball and sit-upgrade it, I guess |
| 14:43.26 | shmendrik | <bob2> but do you have an idea what packages to use? |
| 14:43.32 | bob2 | shmendrik: er? pppd. |
| 14:43.37 | jm_ | xk: ahh no it's not, it does depend on some pango/gdk/gtk stuff |
| 14:43.40 | streuner | xk: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 14:43.40 | bob2 | everything else is just routing. |
| 14:43.45 | ruzbeh | bob2, is there any guide on that? |
| 14:43.55 | bob2 | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg chroot install or so |
| 14:44.12 | streuner | xk: marillat |
| 14:44.17 | bob2 | hah |
| 14:44.23 | takatumi | ruzbeh: what exactly is the error? |
| 14:44.23 | xk | well... I do have pango. |
| 14:44.32 | shmendrik | ok thanks a lot bob2! |
| 14:44.33 | xk | streuner: with 7.0? |
| 14:44.39 | streuner | xk: yeah |
| 14:44.44 | ruzbeh | takatumi, E: Couldn't download libgnutls10, and that's it |
| 14:44.48 | xk | sarge or sid? |
| 14:44.55 | streuner | sid |
| 14:45.15 | jm_ | I just put it into /usr/local |
| 14:45.25 | greycat | work* |
| 14:45.30 | greycat | damn it!!! |
| 14:45.36 | bob2 | ruzbeh: when bootstrapping sarge? |
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| 14:45.41 | ruzbeh | bob2, yes |
| 14:45.45 | TBBle | Isn't libgnutls10 out of base now? |
| 14:45.48 | xk | jm_: yeah. I used to do that. |
| 14:45.56 | takatumi | ruzbeh: are you sure it is a latest debootstrap? and if sarge doesn't work, try sid. |
| 14:45.59 | bob2 | !+info libgnutls10 |
| 14:46.03 | dpkg | libgnutls10: (GNU TLS library - runtime library), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.0.4-8 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 14:46.09 | ruzbeh | takatumi, it's version 0.2.45 |
| 14:46.10 | bob2 | hah, oldlibs |
| 14:46.13 | golya | Hi! Anyone a good fat32 recovery utility |
| 14:46.34 | bob2 | !+info debootstrap sarge |
| 14:46.35 | bob2 | !+info debootstrap sid |
| 14:46.36 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 14:46.37 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 14:46.55 | bob2 | haha nmu |
| 14:47.06 | golya | I allowed winxp to run scandisk on the drive after a crash, and now I cannot see most of the files on the drive :((( |
| 14:47.11 | bob2 | ruzbeh: make sure you have that version |
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| 14:47.16 | TBBle | Right. So debootstrap oughtent to be _trying_ to download libgnutls10. |
| 14:47.27 | ruzbeh | bob2, hmmmmmm |
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| 14:47.54 | ruzbeh | bob2, so there does seem to be a newer version of 0.2.45? |
| 14:47.55 | xk | golya: so a microsoft tool fried your fat32 partition? |
| 14:47.55 | bob2 | ruzbeh: the set of base packages changes every now and then, and debootstrap needs to be updated to know about that |
| 14:48.07 | bob2 | ruzbeh: the version you want is 0.2.45-0.2 |
| 14:48.09 | Irish | anyone ever use / try awstats? |
| 14:48.37 | streuner | Irish: what's the problem? |
| 14:48.37 | golya | xk: maybe. Or the crash before. fsck also run on the drive. |
| 14:48.47 | xk | jm_: ok... acroread appears to be contained... so there's no gnome libs depends hell. |
| 14:49.00 | Irish | streuner, thinking about giving it a try, but I wanted to make sure it would meet my needs |
| 14:49.03 | bob2 | a friend of mine's machine got rootkitted via awstats |
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| 14:49.05 | bob2 | does that count? |
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| 14:49.13 | xk | haahah |
| 14:49.13 | jm_ | xk: yes, there isn't, just gtk/gdk - it's much nicer than the older version |
| 14:49.17 | Irish | I have a web server that hosts about 100 sites and want to be able to track the traffic site by site |
| 14:49.28 | streuner | Irish: well, awstats.sf.net - screenshot are available |
| 14:49.36 | Irish | so I can see how many hits / traffic each site is taking |
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| 14:50.00 | Irish | I checked them out but did not really see what I was looking for, so figured I would hop in here and ask |
| 14:50.16 | bob2 | if you want pointless pretty graphs and statistics, awstats is for you |
| 14:50.27 | tejing | I have a ruby script that outputs my email sig, and I want the script to be run every time .signature is read, and I want its output to look like it's the contents of the file. anybody know of a good way to do this? I'm not having much luck so far with making .signature a fifo... |
| 14:50.38 | TBBle | Yuck. How'd a stats program allow someone to rootkit the system? |
| 14:50.43 | jm_ | tejing: depends on your MUA |
| 14:50.49 | bob2 | tejing: you can't, in general |
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| 14:50.57 | TBBle | Might be safer for some combination of cricket and rrdtool |
| 14:51.00 | bob2 | tejing: useful mua's (like mutt) let you run a program to generate your .sig |
| 14:51.10 | aimaz | I'm trying to install a package that depends on sun-j2sdk1.5 but I already have jdk installed from the sun website, is there a way I can get it to ignore the dependency and use that java runtime environment instead? |
| 14:51.17 | bob2 | TBBle: it had an exploitable url passing bug that let people drop crap in /tmp and run it |
| 14:51.17 | Irish | does not have a graph shoing like www.1.com 1500 hits and 3.4 mb, www.2.com 947 hits 2.1 mb |
| 14:51.18 | Irish | and so on |
| 14:51.24 | Irish | showing* |
| 14:51.31 | bob2 | wow, that would be so hard to implement, too |
| 14:51.37 | bob2 | summing numbers from a log file and all |
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| 14:51.42 | greycat | tejing: apart from using mutt, the other hack is to make .signature a FIFO and feed it with a daemon. |
| 14:52.01 | bob2 | greycat: won't the client just read forever? |
| 14:52.02 | tejing | bob2: well I'm using wanderlust (emacs package) and I haven't been able to configure it for that, so I thought I'd try the direct approach |
| 14:52.06 | TBBle | Ah, so cricket's no safer in theory, being a perl cgi script. |
| 14:52.09 | bob2 | or can the daemon send EOF or something? |
| 14:52.14 | tuxyRochefort | hi. Is it possible to open a session automaticaly with X without having to enter login/passwd ? (like in windows XP) ? |
| 14:52.25 | bob2 | tejing: dude, it's emacs, of course you can configure it to do $blah ;) |
| 14:52.42 | streuner | Irish: #awstats might help too |
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| 14:52.51 | bob2 | TBBle: except the awstats authors appear to be dumbasses |
| 14:52.54 | aimaz | tuxyRochefort, are you using gdm? |
| 14:52.55 | bob2 | it's perl |
| 14:52.56 | Irish | streuner, did not even see that, thank you much |
| 14:52.57 | bob2 | you have taint |
| 14:53.05 | tejing | bob2: yea, I know. I just thought it was cleaner to make .signature actually read as my sig, since that's what most programs expect |
| 14:53.08 | greycat | bob2: I believe that when the daemon closes the FIFO after each burst, it acts like an EOF. It's been a while.... |
| 14:53.09 | bob2 | if you execute crap from the user, you deserve to lose |
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| 14:53.16 | bob2 | greycat: ah, neat |
| 14:53.31 | tuxyRochefort | aimaz, yes |
| 14:53.35 | bob2 | tejing: sounds like I was wrong then, sorry |
| 14:53.43 | aimaz | tuxyRochefort, then yes |
| 14:53.45 | tejing | ? |
| 14:53.56 | tejing | bob2: I missed something |
| 14:53.58 | tuxyRochefort | aimaz, thanks ! |
| 14:54.11 | bob2 | tejing: greycat says it's possible |
| 14:54.22 | tejing | hmm |
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| 14:55.17 | TBBle | (while true; do program > .signature; done) & would prolly do it in an init script. Unless you end up with two running at once. |
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| 14:56.15 | greycat | svr1a:~$ mkfifo fifo; while true; do /usr/games/fortune > fifo; done & |
| 14:56.19 | greycat | svr1a:~$ cat fifo |
| 14:56.19 | greycat | "Love may fail, but courtesy will previal." |
| 14:56.19 | greycat | -- A Kurt Vonnegut fan |
| 14:56.22 | greycat | etc. |
| 14:56.38 | greycat | just make sure you close the fifo after each write-burst |
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| 14:56.57 | bob2 | heh, I would have gone for some sort of perl/python hammer |
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| 14:57.19 | greycat | They misspelled "prevail". Sheesh. |
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| 14:57.47 | tejing | greycat I tried essentially the script you just said, and I sometimes got 10 of my sig when I did cat fifo |
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| 14:58.14 | bob2 | tejing: the program feeding the fifo has to close the fifo after printing it once |
| 14:58.26 | greycat | "essentially"? |
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| 14:58.54 | greycat | "essentially the same", in my experience, often means "I didn't understand what you wrote, and I broke it in some subtle but terribly important way." |
| 14:59.07 | Belxjander | anyone here able to help with partitioning an "oldworld" bootstrap from a blank slate to working ? |
| 14:59.23 | Belxjander | I DO NOT have any form of "Mac OS" presence on the machine at this time what so eve4r |
| 14:59.37 | bob2 | is that even possible? |
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| 14:59.46 | golya | So, anyone fat32 recovery utility? |
| 14:59.47 | bob2 | how do you boot the installer without mac os? |
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| 14:59.52 | greycat | Belxjander: #debianppc might be better suited |
| 15:00.01 | bob2 | golya: sounds like you'll need to use some windows tool |
| 15:00.32 | Belxjander | bob2: because I have "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512"ed the device so there is no mess or screwups on the drive what so ever |
| 15:00.38 | Gathond | bob2: i seem to remember an Imac I installed debian on had something like shift+C during boot to make it boot from CDROM |
| 15:00.41 | Belxjander | greycat: anyone there able to answer anything about oldworld mac rom startup ? |
| 15:00.48 | greycat | ask them. |
| 15:00.48 | S4nD3r_ | In my konqueror, how do I user OPTION Extrat when have .ZIP files ??? When I have .TAR files, it shows to option EXTRACT in right mouse button |
| 15:00.50 | tejing | greycat: lol, ok, mkfifo .signature; (while true; do .sigscript > .signature; done) & , then cat .signature. |
| 15:00.53 | bob2 | Gathond: imac is a newworld mac |
| 15:00.59 | Gathond | bob2: true |
| 15:01.08 | bob2 | Gathond: old world can't boot cds, afaik |
| 15:01.13 | timmeh1 | sorry whats the command to check ur debian version? |
| 15:01.20 | greycat | timmeh1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:01.23 | bob2 | Belxjander: er, be careful then, you may not be able to boot again |
| 15:01.26 | timmeh1 | thankyou |
| 15:01.27 | Gathond | bob2: might be:) had missed the part about it being oldworld i think :) |
| 15:01.41 | bob2 | ah |
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| 15:01.57 | greycat | tejing: looks ok at first glance. what does .sigscript do? |
| 15:01.59 | r3z` | Can you install X via apt? |
| 15:02.03 | greycat | r3z`: yes. |
| 15:02.07 | Belxjander | bob2: yeah... well I would prefer to know some means of booting even if I have to resort to a floppy image as a "/boot" partition thats *small* |
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| 15:02.32 | golya | bob2: like what? |
| 15:02.37 | tejing | greycat: it prints out my sig to stdout, just a couple of lines, then exits. |
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| 15:02.44 | r3z` | greycat, what are the package names? |
| 15:02.53 | greycat | tejing: also, did .signature already exist at the time you did the mkfifo? what does it look like in "ls -l" now? |
| 15:03.00 | greycat | r3z`: x-window-system |
| 15:03.00 | bob2 | Belxjander: I'm almost certain you need mac os installed on the boot hard disk |
| 15:03.06 | r3z` | ahh ok |
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| 15:03.14 | r3z` | tried x-window and xwindows |
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| 15:03.17 | bob2 | golya: doesn't windows come with an undelete tool? |
| 15:03.22 | greycat | r3z`: apt-cache search x window |
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| 15:04.24 | tejing | greycat: ls -Al .signature outputs: prw-r--r-- 1 <user> <user> 0 2005-03-24 06:49 .signature |
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| 15:04.36 | Belxjander | bob2: well every time that installer touches the partition map the HDD ends up with the partition map messed up badly with half a dozen micro-partitions of drivers... and I don't want anything on the machine to screw something else over... Ive already had it crash-start and needed to "resurrect" the dammed thing too many times to be accepting of any crap... |
| 15:04.37 | greycat | tejing: oughtta work... |
| 15:04.57 | xophEr | you guys know of a nfo-viewer for linux? |
| 15:05.04 | bob2 | Belxjander: pretty sure you need those micro partitions |
| 15:05.14 | bob2 | Belxjander: but #debianppc is a way better place to ask, full o' ppc users |
| 15:05.19 | bob2 | Belxjander: as is the debian-ppc mailing list |
| 15:05.23 | Belxjander | bob2: I DON'T CARE... Ive had 18months of bullshit from Windows... |
| 15:05.34 | greycat | !comfort Belxjander |
| 15:05.39 | dpkg | There, there, Belxjander. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 15:05.42 | bob2 | Belxjander: er? |
| 15:05.43 | golya | bob2: I don't know. It is more serious. I don't delete files, they disappear after a strange crash. I need a recovery utility. |
| 15:05.44 | Belxjander | an AMD XP1800+ I melted down from dust collecting where I could stick a finger through the fscking chip |
| 15:05.52 | bob2 | Belxjander: you don't care about what? |
| 15:05.59 | Belxjander | and this is something non-x86... |
| 15:06.03 | greycat | Belxjander: I suggest you try a cooling fan. |
| 15:06.06 | karsten-sleep | golya: Hate to break it to you, but this is #debian. Not #windows-file-recovery |
| 15:06.09 | bob2 | golya: I know you do, but I don't think there are any ones for linux |
| 15:06.11 | r3z` | greycat, err x-window-system didnt work |
| 15:06.14 | bob2 | karsten-sleep: -sleep. |
| 15:06.16 | greycat | !didn't work |
| 15:06.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:06.22 | Belxjander | bob2: micro-partitions... I want a bare-minimal install that I can be happy with and I am being completely and totally fussy |
| 15:06.26 | karsten-sleep | bob2: Yes, I can do this in my sleep. |
| 15:06.28 | bob2 | Belxjander: dude |
| 15:06.34 | golya | bob2: So what should I do? |
| 15:06.35 | bob2 | Belxjander: I didn't write the oldworld macos firmware. |
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| 15:06.42 | bob2 | I'm sorry it requires a bootstrap partition |
| 15:06.49 | bob2 | perhaps you could modify it yourself? |
| 15:06.57 | bob2 | all the Debian old-world PPC users would love you. |
| 15:07.35 | Belxjander | bob2: I know... and I don't want any "mess" or crap from classic mac os laying around unless it's proven to be vitally required for some reason |
| 15:07.35 | greycat | why isn't he in #debianppc yet? |
| 15:07.35 | aimaz | can anyone tell me if it is possible to use iproutes to route based on the content type, for example, I want to send http,scp,irc... traffic down one cable and everything else down the other |
| 15:07.35 | tejing | greycat: whether it outputs my sig multiple times seems to have something to do with how long it's been since I last ran cat .signature |
| 15:07.35 | bob2 | Belxjander: yes, indeed, old world macs require mac os to be installed |
| 15:07.37 | TBBle | Belxjander: And while you're at it, how about a free boot sector for CDs so you don't need a bootdisk or BootX to install on an Oldworld Mac |
| 15:07.40 | greycat | tejing: ok... let me try waiting longer. |
| 15:07.47 | bob2 | Belxjander: but #debianppc will have the details |
| 15:07.56 | bob2 | maybe quik can get around that these days |
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| 15:08.09 | kandalf | hi |
| 15:08.16 | karsten-sleep | aimaz: Yes. By port & protocol (tcp/udp) |
| 15:08.18 | Belxjander | greycat: I *AM* sitting there and those that are apparently there are either ignoring me or commenting to each other about some "manual" and not answering my questions... |
| 15:08.29 | kandalf | does anybody know if kernel does support pci express ?? |
| 15:08.34 | TBBle | Belxjander: Did the manual not help? |
| 15:08.35 | aimaz | karsten-sleep, do you know where i can learn how to do that? |
| 15:08.37 | bob2 | kandalf: it does indeed |
| 15:08.41 | Antonio` | I have an ISDN Modem and I want to send a FAX - What may I do please? |
| 15:08.43 | bob2 | Belxjander: did you read the PPC install guide? |
| 15:08.55 | kandalf | bob2, also graphic cards? |
| 15:08.57 | greycat | tejing: how long did you have to wait between cats to make it fail? |
| 15:09.10 | Belxjander | bob2: yeah I did... looks the same as the x86 guide... and also seems completely useless in some areas |
| 15:09.12 | bob2 | Belxjander: and you really really need to chill out. it's great you want to try Debian, but you can't get pissed off at people for explaining why things might not be the way you want them to be. |
| 15:09.15 | karsten-sleep | aimaz: I'd suggest shorewall, which simplifies a lot of iptables config. Read iptables HOWTOS. |
| 15:09.20 | tejing | greycat: about 30 secs |
| 15:09.23 | bob2 | Belxjander: it doesn't explain how to partition an old-world mac? |
| 15:09.29 | karsten-sleep | !tell aimaz about iptables |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | tejing: it's not failing for me, and I waited at least a few minutes |
| 15:09.31 | bob2 | kandalf: afaik, yes. |
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| 15:09.33 | bob2 | daniels has one |
| 15:09.37 | Belxjander | bob2: the only reason I am *bothering* with "debian" is to get something of a base system installed... |
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| 15:09.44 | tejing | greycat: strange... |
| 15:09.47 | bob2 | Belxjander: lord, ok, have fun then! |
| 15:09.50 | kandalf | thanks :) |
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| 15:10.10 | Belxjander | my Linux of choice supports PPC and I find it a lot easier to deal with than the RPM/DEB binary packages systems |
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| 15:10.16 | greycat | Oh boy. |
| 15:10.18 | tejing | greycat: I'm having better luck so far with (while true; do mkfifo .signature; ./.sigscript > .signature; rm .signature; done) & |
| 15:10.22 | xk | lol @ kernel oops when running kernel exploit. |
| 15:10.24 | aimaz | karsten-sleep, thanks |
| 15:10.41 | bob2 | xk: hah, poorly designed kernel exploits saved debian during the compromise |
| 15:10.51 | TBBle | Belxjander: The PPC manual differs from the i386 manual in the booting sections, mainly. And partitioning. Other than that, it _is_ similar to i386. |
| 15:11.09 | bob2 | Belxjander: but this super awessome OS doesn't support old-world macs? |
| 15:11.09 | xk | bob2: nah, it did give root though. |
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| 15:11.16 | TBBle | Belxjander: Doesn't your linux of choice have an install manual? |
| 15:11.38 | greycat | or an IRC channel? |
| 15:11.57 | bob2 | dang |
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| 15:12.49 | Belxjander | TBBle: the OS I would actually prefer doesn't run on any hardware I have at hand and needs a custom $1300NZD mainboard ordered from europe in custom made batch runs... but too bad I can't spend a dime for anything HW or to "buy" anything to replace the machines I have thrashed into the ground at this point |
| 15:13.00 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 15:13.06 | pzn | Hi! Can you recommend a package for doing UML diagrams in Debian? |
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| 15:13.15 | bob2 | pzn: dia is ok for it |
| 15:13.22 | bob2 | pzn: or maybe inkscape |
| 15:13.35 | TBBle | Belxjander: OK, I'm so very confused. Are you planning to run this "other" OS on this oldworld mac? |
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| 15:14.08 | kbrooks | Where is the grub menu.lst |
| 15:14.16 | greycat | TBBle: he wants to use debian only to get a base system installed, but he has no way to install the debian base system. |
| 15:14.18 | asg | kbrooks: /boot/grub |
| 15:14.22 | stew | pzn: there is argouml as well |
| 15:14.25 | greycat | TBBle: and somehow that's our fault |
| 15:14.46 | kbrooks | asg, doesnt even exist |
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| 15:15.07 | asg | kbrooks: did you install it yourself or was it installed when you installed debian? |
| 15:15.09 | Belxjander | greycat: right now the machine is running a debian kernel with ramdisk image... and the HDD is blanked... |
| 15:15.16 | xk | what arguments are needed to list listening sockets with netstat? I always forget :( |
| 15:15.24 | Belxjander | reset=death for the machine at this time |
| 15:15.59 | bob2 | xk: I always just use | grep LISTEN |
| 15:16.01 | greycat | xk: netstat -nl |
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| 15:16.02 | asg | xk: ntl |
| 15:16.05 | pzn | bob2, stew: I'll install the 3 suggested packages and try them! thanks! |
| 15:16.05 | bob2 | since I always forget it |
| 15:16.13 | TBBle | Belxjander: Well, next step seems to be debootstrap + yaboot. Or do an install off floppy + CD like in the manual. |
| 15:16.27 | asg | xk: remove the 't' if you want UDP et. al. |
| 15:16.40 | xk | what about... the program that is bound to it? |
| 15:16.45 | greycat | xk: p |
| 15:16.48 | greycat | xk: man netstat |
| 15:16.59 | Eclipser | how do I disable [kgx]dm? |
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| 15:17.05 | greycat | Eclipser: apt-get remove them. |
| 15:17.12 | bob2 | xk: you have to be root for that to work |
| 15:17.12 | Belxjander | TBBle: yaboot depends OpenFirmware yes/no? |
| 15:17.17 | xk | bob2: ah. |
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| 15:17.28 | Eclipser | greycat, I just want to boot once without them and re-enable afterwards :< |
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| 15:17.43 | TBBle | Urk. Quik, sorry. |
| 15:17.49 | Belxjander | TBBle: and I should point out... THE /dev/sda IS BLANK... with only an init'd partition table... no partitions have been defined... |
| 15:17.50 | TBBle | yaboot is the OF booter, yes. |
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| 15:18.01 | TBBle | Belxjander: The installer can do partitions, as I recall. |
| 15:18.01 | double_c | Eclipser: use update-rc.d to disable them |
| 15:18.11 | greycat | Eclipser: for i in /etc/rc2.d/*dm; do mv "$i" "${i//S/K/}"; done |
| 15:18.18 | greycat | oops, too many slashes. |
| 15:18.21 | bob2 | don't you need quik or bootx on an old-world mac? |
| 15:18.22 | greycat | Eclipser: for i in /etc/rc2.d/*dm; do mv "$i" "${i//S/K}"; done |
| 15:18.25 | bob2 | ie, isn't Belxjander boned? |
| 15:18.29 | Belxjander | TBBle: I will re-iterate... and hope you get the point... OPENFIRMWARE IS NOT INSTALLED PRESENT OR FUNCTIONAL on the mac I have here... so what else standalone do I have ? |
| 15:18.39 | greycat | Belxjander: decaf, dude. |
| 15:18.40 | bob2 | haahahahaha |
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| 15:18.50 | bob2 | don't all PPC macs use openfirmware? |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | Belxjander: you should get some openfirmware |
| 15:18.54 | TBBle | Belxjander: Well, as I keep saying, boot disk + CD as described in the Debian Installer manual for PPC. |
| 15:18.54 | bob2 | simonrvn: ^ |
| 15:18.59 | Belxjander | bob2: nope... |
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| 15:19.04 | abrotman | and isn't there a PPC channel? |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | or is this thing m68k ? |
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| 15:19.17 | greycat | abrotman: apparently they aren't responding to his screaming quickly enough |
| 15:19.18 | bob2 | there's #debianppc |
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| 15:19.25 | bob2 | but Belxjander thinks they're ignoring him/her |
| 15:19.39 | abrotman | GREYCAT: MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK .. I'M NOT SCREAMING |
| 15:19.41 | Belxjander | abrotman: it's PowerPC 604 @ 150MHz "oldworld" OpenFirmware IS ****NOT**** present what so ever |
| 15:19.57 | kbrooks | erm |
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| 15:20.03 | kbrooks | i insralled grub myself |
| 15:20.06 | TBBle | I'm hoping to goad Belxjander into writing a open source oldworld mac CD boot sector so we can have a CD-only oldworld install. |
| 15:20.06 | Toksyuryel | !wiki usesoundcard |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | Belxjander: did you attempt to read the i-g regarding PPC and oldworld mac crap? |
| 15:20.17 | Toksyuryel | !wiki how-do-i-use-this-command |
| 15:20.19 | kbrooks | sorry for nort answering |
| 15:20.20 | abrotman | Belxjander: is this sarge or wody? |
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| 15:20.47 | greycat | Toksyuryel: just go to the FAQ (url in the /topic) and then click on the thing you want. |
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| 15:21.12 | abrotman | ok .. well .. |
| 15:21.13 | Belxjander | abrotman: how to ask the installer ? |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | Belxjander: i'm asking you .. you downloaded it |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | it's not a trick question |
| 15:21.28 | Toksyuryel | ah, thank you |
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| 15:21.52 | abrotman | Belxjander: what is the name of the ISO? |
| 15:22.00 | Belxjander | abrotman: all I did was grab several and get one working... I have no idea which |
| 15:22.17 | Belxjander | abrotman: "net-install" BootX'ed kernel with ramdisk. NO ISO at all |
| 15:22.21 | abrotman | Belxjander: well .. it's kind of hard to help .. when you don't read anything |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | Belxjander: no CD drive? |
| 15:22.28 | Belxjander | post-startup HDD wipe using DD as well |
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| 15:22.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | what is needed to play .ogm movies with totem? |
| 15:22.55 | TBBle | Belxjander: So you have the installer there running? Why don't you just use that? |
| 15:22.56 | Belxjander | abrotman: the CD drive is pathetically up it's own ass non-responsive if any non-HFS filesystem CD is present :) |
| 15:22.57 | bob2 | Ashtars_fanclub: mplayer or xine |
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| 15:23.01 | greycat | alias totem=mplayer might be my first guess. |
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| 15:23.18 | abrotman | Belxjander: is your machine anywhere on this list : http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch02s01.html |
| 15:23.18 | Belxjander | TBBle: because I want a boot mechanism when it is finished sorted out before partitioning... |
| 15:23.19 | TBBle | You can also do a netinstall off floppy, if I recall correctly. |
| 15:23.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | wtf |
| 15:23.22 | streuner | yep: totem use xine |
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| 15:23.27 | Belxjander | TBBle: I don't want to reset and call it a doorstop |
| 15:23.30 | streuner | you need the codecs |
| 15:23.33 | Ashtars_fanclub | I'm using totem xine |
| 15:23.49 | Ashtars_fanclub | are they in debian sarge? |
| 15:23.50 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: ask #xine |
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| 15:23.56 | TBBle | Umm... Use quik as your bootloader. You may now proceed to the rest of the process. |
| 15:23.56 | Belxjander | abrotman: I can get you a URL thats got the exact mainboard specs if you really want |
| 15:24.08 | Belxjander | TBBle: does quik depend on OF ? |
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| 15:24.10 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: and no .. the codecs aren't in sarge ... you need to download yourself |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | Belxjander: i don't do macs .. not in years .. not worth the fuss or money |
| 15:24.25 | Ashtars_fanclub | abotman, any particular reason? |
| 15:24.37 | kbrooks | Where is the grub menu.lst? |
| 15:24.39 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: uhm .. binary codecs for proprietary formats? |
| 15:24.43 | kbrooks | it doesnt even exist |
| 15:24.49 | abrotman | kbrooks: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:25.06 | kbrooks | abrotman, /boot/grub doesnt exist |
| 15:25.16 | bob2 | "you have to use Sven's miboot floppies for oldworld, or mess with BootX" |
| 15:25.18 | abrotman | kbrooks: then make it |
| 15:25.22 | bob2 | to get sarge to install on that machine |
| 15:25.26 | Ashtars_fanclub | abotman, i had thought ogm a open format but it may contain a proprietary codec |
| 15:25.33 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: try nick completion |
| 15:25.46 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: did i not say to ask #xine? .. i'm pretty sure i did .. |
| 15:25.49 | TBBle | Belxjander: No. Quik is the _Old World_ Mac bootloader. You're thinking of yaboot (as I did earlier until someone corrected me) |
| 15:25.57 | kbrooks | abrotman, how? i'm not going to just create it myself, now am i? |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | i am not a bot .. i am not a bot .. i am not a bot |
| 15:26.05 | abrotman | kbrooks: why not? |
| 15:26.06 | bob2 | old-world macs had openfirmware, too |
| 15:26.18 | kbrooks | abrotman, because. :/ |
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| 15:26.20 | Belxjander | TBBle: okay so quik will let me make a minimal "/boot" partition thats HFS and working ? |
| 15:26.28 | TBBle | bob2: Let's pretend they didn't. That version of Open Firmware isn't usable for us. |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | kbrooks: why? |
| 15:26.44 | TBBle | Belxjander: I have no idea. What's the quik manual say? |
| 15:26.49 | bob2 | hah |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:26.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 15:26.56 | abrotman | read one of them .. |
| 15:27.13 | abrotman | and i mean .. READ .. not glance |
| 15:27.14 | greycat | I like the sid one :) |
| 15:27.23 | Belxjander | TBBle: where do I find that so I can look ? |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | greycat: so do i |
| 15:27.30 | kbrooks | becaue grub wont be bootable if i just create it and add a menu.lst |
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| 15:27.35 | abrotman | or ask the PPC channel .. #debianppc |
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| 15:27.41 | TBBle | Belxjander: Google? |
| 15:27.42 | abrotman | kbrooks: update-grub |
| 15:27.52 | abrotman | kbrooks: which will tell you to create the directory |
| 15:28.13 | kbrooks | ok |
| 15:28.18 | kbrooks | i did that |
| 15:28.30 | abrotman | now what? |
| 15:28.36 | abrotman | update-grub |
| 15:28.39 | tosh| | is anyone running a peer to peer stunnel setup? |
| 15:28.42 | abrotman | then run grub-install |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | but don't forget to tell it where to put grub |
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| 15:29.06 | Belxjander | abrotman: Im in #debianppc with only one person as knowledgable as the group in here |
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| 15:29.12 | takatumi | abrotman: why grub-install after update-grub? |
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| 15:29.31 | abrotman | takatumi: sounds to me like he hasn't installed grub at all yet |
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| 15:29.51 | takatumi | abrotman: I would do a grub-install first. |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | takatumi: well .. whichever .. i do it the other way .. up to him |
| 15:31.00 | Toksyuryel | bah.... bah..... bah..... *kicks alsa* |
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| 15:31.45 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: why? I can run multiple instances of mplayer and still get sound. haven't even tweaked alsa yet, it just works. |
| 15:31.51 | bob2 | so, yeah, I'm 99% sure you need os 8 or 9 installed |
| 15:32.05 | Toksyuryel | I wish I could get -something- to work --; |
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| 15:32.14 | bob2 | alsa's easy to get going |
| 15:32.17 | bob2 | a) install hotplug |
| 15:32.18 | Toksyuryel | It does NOT like my POS card. |
| 15:32.21 | bob2 | b) install 2.6 kernel |
| 15:32.23 | bob2 | c) enjoy |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | just a pain to do anyhting complicated :) |
| 15:32.27 | ningo | abrotman, what's so scary about alsa? |
| 15:32.30 | Toksyuryel | have all three of those |
| 15:32.33 | dvs | bob2: d) unmute the channels |
| 15:32.34 | Toksyuryel | still no sound |
| 15:32.36 | takatumi | abrotman: complicated like what? |
| 15:32.37 | bob2 | dvs: hah |
| 15:32.41 | abrotman | ningo: not scary .. just complicated stuff is a god damn pain |
| 15:32.47 | bob2 | Toksyuryel: did you unmute it? |
| 15:32.59 | abrotman | takatumi: getting flash to work was apparently far more difficult than i expected |
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| 15:33.03 | abrotman | err flash sound |
| 15:33.16 | Toksyuryel | I don't think the mute status of the channels is going to make sound system throw an error at me |
| 15:33.26 | abrotman | the only benefit i have truly is with audacity and duplex actually working |
| 15:33.33 | greycat | no, errors would actually be reassuring |
| 15:33.44 | jiyuu0 | any other picture viewer than kuickview? something like acdsee. kuickview doesn't resize big photo nicely |
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| 15:34.05 | greycat | in my experience, ALSA fails in *subtle* ways, either by never making any sound at all, or by not being able to feed an mp3 to an emu10k1 without hesitations |
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| 15:34.29 | bob2 | alsa on emu10k1 is silly tho |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | takatumi: the asound stuff is a pain .. really it is .. |
| 15:34.32 | gambler | does anyone know of a good PIM application? Not another sticky notes applet, but something well thought out and impressive. |
| 15:34.39 | bob2 | jiyuu0: display from imagmagick is cool |
| 15:34.44 | abrotman | PIM? |
| 15:34.46 | njan | greycat, for me, it inexplicably drops the audio quality to about 1/20 of the usual, as if it's been really really really badly preamped whenever it breaks :) |
| 15:34.48 | thomas_adam | gambler: plan |
| 15:34.49 | greycat | bob2: that was my conclusion too. that's why I went back to OSS. |
| 15:35.02 | jiyuu0 | bob2, thanks... i'll try |
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| 15:35.03 | Toksyuryel | "Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) The sound server will continue, using the null output device." |
| 15:35.13 | bob2 | so |
| 15:35.15 | bob2 | that's not alsa |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | sounds like sometihng else is using your device |
| 15:35.18 | gambler | thomas_adam: plan? |
| 15:35.19 | bob2 | that's your crappy sound server |
| 15:35.25 | takatumi | abrotman: it just works here, just to check I have http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ playing sound and cplay lugradio-s2e9-140205-high.ogg working simulataneously running without any problems. |
| 15:35.27 | thomas_adam | gambler: That's right. Look it up. |
| 15:35.32 | bob2 | find out what ate your sound devices first |
| 15:35.35 | greycat | "No such file" sounds like udev/devfs poisoning. |
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| 15:35.43 | bob2 | lsof | egrep "(snd|dsp)" |
| 15:35.52 | abrotman | takatumi: it didn't "just work" for me .. and i still have to mess with mixer settings every time i boot |
| 15:36.05 | greycat | !be alsa advocate |
| 15:36.05 | dpkg | <pmitros> I don't believe you would understand the architectural decisions that went into ALSA without about half an hour of explanation, and I have better things to do with my time. |
| 15:36.09 | Toksyuryel | egrep? is that a typo or a real command? |
| 15:36.13 | gambler | just did...looks calendarish. Does it have any other cool features? I have alot of lists |
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| 15:36.17 | greycat | Toksyuryel: man egrep |
| 15:36.21 | dvs | or at least snd_pcm_oss is not loaded perhaps |
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| 15:36.40 | Toksyuryel | well, look at that... |
| 15:36.46 | takatumi | abrotman: tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base? |
| 15:37.00 | tosh| | I setup 2 stunnels, one in daemon mode, one in client mode, I'm trying a connection through it but no dice... my client (ftp) says connected to, but thats where it ends. no traffic is being generated between the two stunnels... any ideas? |
| 15:37.03 | abrotman | takatumi: no .. it's an asound device .. |
| 15:37.16 | takatumi | !asound |
| 15:37.17 | Toksyuryel | ok... did that, it found -nothing- |
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| 15:37.43 | bob2 | tosh|: you're trying to tunnel ftp over stunell? |
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| 15:38.08 | greycat | !pal tosh| |
| 15:38.09 | deadline | join #htb |
| 15:38.15 | kbrooks | grub-install == slow |
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| 15:38.20 | tosh| | bob2 its not going to be ftp, just want to test the connection between the two |
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| 15:38.29 | tosh| | could have tried "time" or chargen or whatever |
| 15:38.29 | bob2 | tosh|: ftp is a terrible thing to test with |
| 15:38.30 | kbrooks | huh |
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| 15:38.30 | takatumi | kbrooks: works in seconds here. |
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| 15:41.29 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: what exactly is the error? |
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| 15:41.36 | Toksyuryel | no sound |
| 15:41.44 | Toksyuryel | that's pretty much it |
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| 15:42.19 | Toksyuryel | At first I thought it assigned the wrong driver, but after googling the problem for a while I found there are people who have it working with that driver. |
| 15:42.23 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: what does dpkg -l alsa-utils give? |
| 15:42.30 | Toksyuryel | Unfortunately, none of them explained HOW to make it work. |
| 15:43.03 | Toksyuryel | I had to compile and install alsa manually... apt-get kept screwing up and dying at the end... |
| 15:43.17 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: say what? |
| 15:43.29 | Toksyuryel | yeah ; ; |
| 15:43.46 | Toksyuryel | It gave a bunch of errors and quit |
| 15:43.57 | sigma957 | is anyone familiar with sa-exim? |
| 15:43.59 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: what does cat /etc/debian_version give? |
| 15:44.17 | Toksyuryel | 3.1 |
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| 15:44.47 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: uname -r? |
| 15:45.05 | Toksyuryel | ack!! |
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| 15:45.24 | Toksyuryel | damn thing lied to me ; ; |
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| 15:45.32 | takatumi | Toksyuryel: are you on winbloze? |
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| 15:45.52 | Toksyuryel | How can it say "using kernel 2.6.9" when it's booting and then go and load 2.4.27? |
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| 15:46.03 | vvvv | ÎÁÛÉ ÅÓÔØ? :-) |
| 15:46.08 | takatumi | !pal Toksyuryel |
| 15:46.13 | skel | where does dpkg-buildpackage put the package it built? |
| 15:46.21 | greycat | skel: .. |
| 15:46.32 | skel | greycat: does it build and install it? |
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| 15:46.41 | Toksyuryel | bah, let me reboot and try choosing something different in lilo |
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| 15:47.38 | skel | greycat: .. ? |
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| 15:47.45 | c00l | When i try to install debian sarge, system locks up during ext2 format or installing base, anyone know has experienced it? |
| 15:47.59 | hefty | hi |
| 15:48.15 | bob2 | c00l: #debian-boot is the place to ask |
| 15:48.18 | takatumi | skel: cd ..? |
| 15:48.52 | greycat | preferably without the ? |
| 15:48.59 | kbrooks | FUCK |
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| 15:49.11 | Eclipser | double_c, greycat, thanks for your help :) |
| 15:49.18 | kbrooks | grub-install takes too long |
| 15:49.19 | double_c | np |
| 15:49.26 | skel | takatumi: thats why I ask.. I don't see the package |
| 15:49.28 | takatumi | bob2: the #d-b guys didn't want any problems directed that way, the d-b list was instead recommended |
| 15:49.34 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:49.53 | double_c | kbrooks: info grub will tell you everything |
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| 15:49.58 | takatumi | kbrooks: did you specify the correct /dev/hd? |
| 15:50.08 | kbrooks | Greggor: don't /notice me |
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| 15:50.23 | Greggor | kbrooks - I'll do what I please. Who spammed your channel? |
| 15:50.27 | kbrooks | Greggor: i dont care whether u are a op or not |
| 15:50.34 | c00l | where can i ask then? |
| 15:50.34 | kbrooks | Greggor: leave. now. |
| 15:50.35 | bob2 | takatumi: ah, thanks |
| 15:50.41 | Greggor | and I don't care whether you're an op or not... |
| 15:50.46 | bob2 | c00l: ask on their list, I guess |
| 15:50.51 | Greggor | who spammed you? |
| 15:50.55 | tiger1020x | dammit i compiled ntfs file support rw debugging and still can't write to the drive |
| 15:51.03 | bob2 | fuck |
| 15:51.16 | Greggor | if you don't like me. keep it to yourself. I'm not here for your petty conversations. |
| 15:51.17 | kbrooks | i refuse to reveal the person |
| 15:51.23 | kbrooks | i am NOT a op here |
| 15:51.25 | bob2 | kbrooks: Greggor we don't care |
| 15:51.27 | xk_ | tiger1020x: you do realize you can only write to files of the same size? Unless that limitation has been removed (highly unlikely) |
| 15:51.27 | Greggor | fine... suit yourself. |
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| 15:51.40 | double_c | tiger1020x: it's a kernel build option, but I had problems with undeletable files on NTFS, I wouldn't recommend it |
| 15:51.45 | kbrooks | damn the person |
| 15:52.24 | xk_ | bah @ acroreader setting window size relative to screen size |
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| 15:52.48 | kbrooks | alindeman, someone joined and asked *me*, specifically me, who spammed this channel |
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| 15:52.56 | tiger1020x | does sp2 have anything to do with it? |
| 15:52.56 | Greggor | Yeah, um, we didn't spam your channel... You did however spam ours. :/ |
| 15:53.02 | kbrooks | alindeman, i'm not a op here. period. |
| 15:53.15 | bob2 | Greggor: what are you guys talking about? |
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| 15:53.24 | Greggor | [10:37am]Joins: kbrooks (~kyleb@CPE0050ba557516-CM000039d12a5d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) «5 users » |
| 15:53.24 | Greggor | [10:37am] ChanServ sets mode: +v kbrooks |
| 15:53.24 | Greggor | [10:38am]«+ kbrooks » would you NOT spam in #debian, TY |
| 15:53.24 | Greggor | [10:38am]Parts: kbrooks (~kyleb@CPE0050ba557516-CM000039d12a5d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) ("Leaving") «4 users » |
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| 15:53.25 | bob2 | and notice'ing people in here is annoying |
| 15:53.29 | bob2 | blah |
| 15:53.39 | Greggor | he came. he asked. he left. |
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| 15:53.50 | tiger1020x | thanks guys |
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| 15:54.21 | takatumi | kbrooks: do you really have a problem or are you trolling here as well? |
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| 15:54.33 | kbrooks | takatumi, i am not trolling. |
| 15:54.35 | sigma957 | if a file says 2^20 will disable, would that mean to put that in exactly? |
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| 15:54.58 | greycat | sigma957: could you be ANY more vague or mysterious? |
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| 15:55.26 | c00l | bob2 but my english is so poor =( |
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| 15:55.34 | bob2 | c00l: seems fine to me :) |
| 15:55.44 | sigma957 | sorry... I'm using sa-exim and i want to disable one feature. it says "Default value is 2^20, which should disable the behavior" |
| 15:55.45 | ep | Any ideas why package 'mplayer' is not available? It seems mozilla-mplayer pluglin is available. |
| 15:55.57 | greycat | ep: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:55.59 | TBBle | It's an enormous bitflag. |
| 15:56.01 | takatumi | double_c: I got that much, but disable and file? |
| 15:56.20 | lestest | hi there ... are the script in /etc/networking/if-pre-up.d executed when interfaces are initialized with ifplugd? |
| 15:56.20 | GooZ | ep, license problems ... look to the marillat repo |
| 15:56.23 | double_c | I just gave up when i spotted the 2^20 :) |
| 15:56.23 | tarzeau | someone wants to try an mp3 player? |
| 15:56.28 | greycat | takatumi: he apparently wants to put 2^20 into the text file, and isn't sure if he should expand it out to base 10 first. |
| 15:56.31 | greycat | or that's m y guess. |
| 15:56.36 | TBBle | sigma957: I'd suggest you probably have to put the value itself. If the authors were nice, you might be able to use hex or octal. |
| 15:56.39 | kbrooks | takatumi, and i have a problem when someone asks me a question in /notice or /msg |
| 15:56.40 | sigma957 | greycat yes |
| 15:56.48 | bob2 | tarzeau: does it use gnustep libraries? |
| 15:56.52 | tarzeau | bob2: no |
| 15:56.57 | sigma957 | TBBle:thanks |
| 15:56.57 | bob2 | hah :) |
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| 15:57.06 | greycat | and somehow he thought WE would know, without his having to tell us (1) what file, (2) what field, (3) what program, (4) anything |
| 15:57.22 | bob2 | gentoo users scare me |
| 15:57.27 | bob2 | see #flood for evidence |
| 15:57.36 | greycat | !install gentoo |
| 15:57.36 | dpkg | It takes three commands to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 15:57.40 | TBBle | That's when we get to speculate wildly. |
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| 15:57.55 | c00l | how to upgrade woody to sarge? |
| 15:57.56 | sigma957 | graycat: sorry.. too early in the morning for me. :( |
| 15:58.04 | greycat | c00l: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:58.18 | tarzeau | bob2: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 15:58.19 | TBBle | I wonder if they _all_ end in a reboot... |
| 15:58.28 | lestest | when do scripts in if-pre-up.d are executed? |
| 15:58.30 | Flawless | Does somebody have a mirror of http://debian.linux-systeme.com/? I'm not allowed to access it from DK |
| 15:58.44 | takatumi | TBBle: they who? |
| 15:58.51 | greycat | they block a whole *country*? |
| 15:58.53 | bob2 | lestest: if ifplugd runs ifup, then it will work |
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| 15:59.08 | TBBle | takatumi: The three commands to install gentoo. The first one ends in && telinit 6 |
| 15:59.15 | bob2 | tarzeau: hurry up and become a DD so I can sponsor whore to you! |
| 15:59.17 | Flawless | greycat: something like it, yes. It's a bandwidth expense problem |
| 15:59.24 | Flawless | greycat: can you access it? |
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| 15:59.50 | tarzeau | bob2: i sponsor you? i'm on hold. but you could sponsor me if you kicked your ass? |
| 15:59.52 | takatumi | TBBle: ah, yeah was wondering what the other two would be, it'll all probably end in emerge world. |
| 15:59.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.00 | xk | lol |
| 16:00.02 | lestest | bob2: thankz |
| 16:00.09 | Flawless | who here is from .de ? |
| 16:00.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: hahaha |
| 16:00.11 | xk | brb |
| 16:00.17 | travisat | where's the page for orphaned debs |
| 16:00.17 | bob2 | Flawless: lots more in #debian.de |
| 16:00.23 | Flawless | bob2: well, ok :) |
| 16:00.25 | double_c | Flawless: seeing the same from .uk |
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| 16:00.37 | Flawless | I just need somebody from .de to try and access http://debian.linux-systeme.com/ |
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| 16:00.50 | greycat | Flawless: STOP SPAMMING us with your bloody web site. |
| 16:00.57 | Flawless | greycat: would you relax? |
| 16:01.19 | greycat | Flawless: you can't get there? too bad. go to a different URL. |
| 16:01.21 | xoz | Flawless: it's not accessible even in here in japan |
| 16:01.21 | xk | Flawless: no one can access it. simple as that. |
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| 16:01.28 | Flawless | xk: thank you |
| 16:01.31 | takatumi | Flawless: just get the debs from ubuntu if you are that desperate. |
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| 16:01.42 | greycat | takatumi: oh, is THAT why he's such a twit? GNOME poisoning? |
| 16:01.45 | Flawless | takatumi: would they work in sarge? |
| 16:01.49 | takatumi | greycat: xorg |
| 16:01.55 | greycat | oh, god, even worse. |
| 16:01.56 | Toksyuryel | Ok... I'm in 2.6.9 now, everything is in german, and I still have no sound. |
| 16:02.02 | greycat | he must want shiny crap. |
| 16:02.02 | takatumi | Flawless: no, you'll have probelms in sarge. |
| 16:02.08 | Flawless | takatumi: ok, thanks |
| 16:02.12 | Flawless | I'll just wait then |
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| 16:02.38 | takatumi | !xorg debs |
| 16:02.38 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 16:02.41 | airox | Hi, does anyone know which modules I should load for a Intel 82801AA audio controller ? |
| 16:02.54 | takatumi | that factoid should die. |
| 16:03.03 | Flawless | takatumi: yes, that was the reason I asked :) |
| 16:03.37 | Toksyuryel | "if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server"? They block countries from accessing websites? |
| 16:03.50 | Flawless | Toksyuryel: yes, they block all countries ;) |
| 16:03.53 | Toksyuryel | evil c.c |
| 16:04.17 | TBBle | Presumably they pay different outgoing data rates on domestic (.de) and international links. |
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| 16:04.28 | Flawless | yes, that's quite normal |
| 16:04.32 | greycat | airox: in woody, OSS? My first guess would be i810_audio. |
| 16:04.45 | greycat | airox: if that doesn't work, lspci and google, or try sarge. |
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| 16:05.15 | airox | greycat: Would you know of a command line tool to simply test the sound ? |
| 16:05.53 | greycat | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 16:06.03 | Gathond | airox: cat something (anything) into the soundcard device |
| 16:06.06 | xoz | airox: did your try alsaconf to detect your snd? |
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| 16:06.39 | Toksyuryel | heh, I guess I'm not the only one having sound issues ^______^ |
| 16:06.39 | airox | nope |
| 16:06.45 | airox | is there some package for it ? |
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| 16:07.05 | nictuku | when a firewall "DNATs" a port to a local server, does that local server requires a working route *to the internet* so it can send reply packages back to the internet host? |
| 16:07.13 | Toksyuryel | you might already have it. try typing 'alsaconf' and hitting enter |
| 16:07.15 | grendal_prime | is there a package that contains the kde-headers?? |
| 16:07.21 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to find it |
| 16:07.34 | dambodog | hi, can anyone recommand a good load balancing hardware for apache load balancing? |
| 16:07.35 | xoz | alsa-utils |
| 16:07.36 | nictuku | I thought it only needed to communicate with the firewall. |
| 16:07.56 | grendal_prime | i need to install quanta-be2 and well i need to compile it and of course it needs the kde headers... |
| 16:07.56 | xk | grende: which header file in particular? |
| 16:08.00 | grendal_prime | i cant find them |
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| 16:08.04 | xk | grendal_prime rather. |
| 16:08.08 | double_c | xoz: apt-cache sez alsaconf here (on sid) |
| 16:08.24 | kneecaps_ | why does the stock 2.6.8-k7 kernel panic on mounting my root fs (SATA) ? |
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| 16:08.39 | grendal_prime | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 16:08.39 | grendal_prime | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 16:09.08 | TBBle | Hmm. Where's the thingy that lists why packages were removed? I'm trying to track down aseqview. |
| 16:09.17 | xoz | double_c: yep. err |
| 16:09.20 | pluto | uu |
| 16:09.20 | xk | grendal_prime: hrm... grep -i found config*log. paste the line that says not found... or something. |
| 16:09.35 | double_c | xoz: no worries, I didn't know either until I queried it :) |
| 16:09.35 | bob2 | TBBle: ftp-master.d.o/removals.txt |
| 16:09.45 | TBBle | Thanks |
| 16:09.51 | ningo | http://fun.drno.de/flash/howto_turn_windows_into_linux.swf |
| 16:10.16 | grendal_prime | there are a few xk |
| 16:10.32 | Toksyuryel | ok this is annoying... how do I fix this thing so everything's not in german? |
| 16:10.46 | grendal_prime | ./configure: line 1: --version: command not found |
| 16:10.46 | grendal_prime | ./configure: line 1: -v: command not found |
| 16:10.46 | grendal_prime | ./configure: line 1: -V: command not found |
| 16:10.46 | grendal_prime | ./configure: line 1: -c: command not found |
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| 16:11.08 | bob2 | god |
| 16:11.10 | greycat | what on earth made him think we wanted to see *that*? |
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| 16:11.37 | TBBle | bob2: Should I be getting that via HTTP? |
| 16:11.39 | grendal_prime | xk that help at all? |
| 16:11.52 | bob2 | TBBle: yes |
| 16:11.53 | TBBle | Oh, forget I said that. |
| 16:11.53 | airox | hmm |
| 16:11.54 | xk | grendal_prime: no. |
| 16:11.58 | TBBle | Firefox was being clever. |
| 16:12.05 | xk | grendal_prime: need a "file not found" |
| 16:12.11 | airox | gnome seems to have the sound right, still xmms crashes |
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| 16:12.25 | bob2 | TBBle: it is annoying how it uses ftp on things matching /^ftp.*/ |
| 16:12.57 | TBBle | Now that I know it does it, yes it is. ^_^ -_- |
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| 16:13.15 | grendal_prime | well i think i found them thanks for the help though |
| 16:14.08 | xk | grendal_prime: I wonder how you managed that. |
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| 16:14.20 | double_c | airox: xmms crashes, or throws an error dialogue? |
| 16:14.23 | xoz | airox: check xmms prefs. find out what output plugin it's using |
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| 16:14.35 | airox | ok |
| 16:14.39 | airox | well it hangs |
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| 16:14.58 | xoz | airox: kill it |
| 16:15.27 | airox | ok :) |
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| 16:15.57 | double_c | airox: use killall in case the backend stays around and keeps the sound device locked (I think I've seen it do that) |
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| 16:16.18 | airox | yeah i know how to kill things |
| 16:16.26 | airox | very experienced in killing |
| 16:16.51 | mdadm | hi everyone-- whats the best way to get a concise list of things I have apt-getted in the past...so that I dont apt-get again ? |
| 16:16.53 | double_c | airox: sorry, I just got caught by it once, that's all :) |
| 16:17.02 | xk | mdo: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:17.09 | bob2 | mdadm: ? you mean the list of installed packages? |
| 16:17.11 | xk | bah. one reason not to use nick completion. |
| 16:17.19 | mdadm | bob2 yup |
| 16:17.21 | xk | mdadm: dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:17.46 | stew | mdadm: but apt-get again would only download it again if a newer version is availaable |
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| 16:18.13 | greycat | !FAQ mdadm |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | mdadm: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:20.26 | flask- | hi, how come there's no /etc/ld.so.conf by default in sarge ? |
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| 16:22.09 | GingerDog | Does anyone know how to make debian remember you need e.g. noapic as an cmdline option to the kernel, so it copes with normal kernel upgrades etc ? |
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| 16:22.31 | airox | GingerDog: Configure grub or lilo. |
| 16:22.35 | greycat | GingerDog: /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:22.39 | airox | :) |
| 16:22.48 | xk | who uses lilo these days? |
| 16:22.55 | GingerDog | yeah, but after upgrading to a later kernel (security etc) would it remember the option? |
| 16:22.57 | bob2 | people using software raid |
| 16:22.58 | greycat | xk: woody users |
| 16:23.01 | bob2 | greycat: yes |
| 16:23.03 | bob2 | bah |
| 16:23.05 | takatumi | flask-: tried man ldconfig? |
| 16:23.11 | greycat | xk: or people who INSTALLED with woody or earlier, then upgraded. |
| 16:23.15 | flask- | takatumi: no thats just generic info |
| 16:23.25 | flask- | anybody? |
| 16:23.40 | greycat | GingerDog: configure it HARDER! |
| 16:23.41 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
| 16:23.45 | grendal_prime | here is another one |
| 16:23.49 | grendal_prime | checking for libxml libraries >= ... ./configure: line 1: xml2-config: command not found |
| 16:23.58 | GingerDog | greycat: ? |
| 16:24.07 | takatumi | flask-: I have it here by default, but I'm on sid now, don't know about sarge now, did start from there though. |
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| 16:24.38 | greycat | David Goodwin. IP address. No, I don't think you get to claim non-native-English-speaker defense. |
| 16:24.45 | xk | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg find xml2-config |
| 16:25.01 | kneecaps_ | are there any big problems with 2.6.10 kernel? I'm considering upgrading |
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| 16:25.20 | xk | Linux latent 2.6.10-ac1 #38 Fri Dec 31 20:35:01 WST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 16:25.24 | xk | seems to work fine. |
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| 16:25.41 | kneecaps_ | good good |
| 16:25.54 | kneecaps_ | SATA seems not to work in the 2.6.8 package |
| 16:25.56 | xk | better off upgrading to 2.6.11.5 or so. |
| 16:26.06 | GingerDog | greycat: I'm not claiming non-native english what ever. I'm asking if there is a config file to stash the setting in so it is saved across kernel upgrades, or is what ever rebuilds the menu.lst file intelligent enough to retain my custom settings? |
| 16:26.06 | kneecaps_ | for me at least |
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| 16:26.06 | airox | kneecaps_: ubuntu (hoary) runs 2.6.10 ... |
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| 16:26.50 | kneecaps | xk: its not packaged yet, and i'm trying to move over to stock kernels, i've always rolled my own you see |
| 16:27.15 | FieldySnuts | xk: HearT is onjoin message spamming |
| 16:27.16 | nonix4 | hmm, somebody w/ nick HearT does on-join porn advertising... possibly on multiple channels as I got it doubled... |
| 16:27.19 | double_c | kneecaps: it's dead easy to package your own |
| 16:27.21 | *** mode/#Debian [+o xk] by ChanServ |
| 16:27.24 | takatumi | Linux air 2.6.11-04-03-05 #1 Fri Mar 4 15:27:02 AST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:27.30 | kneecaps | double_c: I always do... |
| 16:27.30 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 16:27.39 | kneecaps | double_c: but i'm trying to give this 'stock kernel' thing a go |
| 16:27.42 | FieldySnuts | i swear this chan sees more than other chans, assholes |
| 16:28.05 | xk | ;) |
| 16:28.10 | xk | see more what? assholes? |
| 16:28.13 | double_c | kneecaps: I thought stock kernel just referred to the source, not how the binary is packaged. Could be wrong though. |
| 16:28.13 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: everyone has one, they are like excuses. |
| 16:28.21 | xk | goatse.cx? |
| 16:28.57 | xk | double_c: yeah, it's a bit confusing... most distros modify the stock kernel ;) |
| 16:29.07 | kneecaps | double_c: thats a pristine kernel |
| 16:29.18 | double_c | ah, right |
| 16:29.24 | xk | double_c: but in a distro context, stock kernel means provided by the distro. |
| 16:29.24 | takatumi | airox: why peddle ubuntu here? |
| 16:29.26 | kneecaps | double_c: an untouched unpatched offical kernel |
| 16:29.33 | kneecaps | takatumi: its practically debian |
| 16:29.34 | FieldySnuts | @hump airox |
| 16:29.37 | airox | :/ |
| 16:29.38 | bob2 | blah |
| 16:29.39 | double_c | xk, kneecaps : thanks for the definitions |
| 16:29.46 | bob2 | you could all try not being dicks |
| 16:29.49 | takatumi | kneecaps: no it is not. |
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| 16:29.58 | airox | I was only giving an example. |
| 16:30.26 | kneecaps | takatumi: hmmmf |
| 16:30.42 | qwertz | Is there any way to reserve /dev/sda for my usb stick, so that no other device I plug in gets this id? |
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| 16:31.24 | resiak | qwertz: Look into udev |
| 16:31.28 | darkskiez | qwertz, what is your motivation for wanting to do that ? |
| 16:31.58 | FieldySnuts | probably scripts or something, it's irritating to have to look at logs every time |
| 16:32.14 | FieldySnuts | i generally don't see that any more, i plug in a single usb mass storage device and for me it always shows up as sda |
| 16:33.15 | takatumi | same here. |
| 16:33.42 | resiak | qwertz: /etc/udev/udev.rules is the file you need to play with, I think. Rather than making /dev/sda always be the usb key, you want to make /dev/usbkey or something be it. man udev |
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| 16:34.05 | resiak | qwertz: Of course, all this relies on you using udev, which many believe to be the road to pain, suffering and misery. |
| 16:34.05 | FieldySnuts | heh how long was that set |
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| 16:34.26 | takatumi | oh, here comes the spambots. |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | ack .. oguz is a spammer ! |
| 16:34.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:34.31 | xk | takatumi: hah. |
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| 16:34.40 | xk | nah, he's a real person ;) |
| 16:34.44 | oguz | abrotman, i am not a spammer, |
| 16:34.47 | abrotman | no way .. he's from turkey |
| 16:34.51 | xk | oguz: time to get a new ISP. |
| 16:34.57 | oguz | abrotman, but my ISP seems to be a spammer |
| 16:34.57 | abrotman | i only know one real person from turkey .. and she lives in NJ |
| 16:35.09 | xk | or format the infected spambot machines |
| 16:35.20 | greycat | caphuso: argh! |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | i vote for B |
| 16:35.26 | abrotman | grr! |
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| 16:35.35 | greycat | caphuso: can't we just +b *!*@@.ttnet.net.tr and then make exceptions? |
| 16:35.37 | ark3qqq | In the process of installing and uninstalling some stuff it seems that I broke my install of atlas3. How do I convince apt-get to reinstall atlas3 w/o uninstalling it (and a couple dozen other packages)? |
| 16:35.39 | FieldySnuts | if that network used geographically based host names they wouldn't end up getting their entire network banned |
| 16:35.42 | abrotman | oguz: or use tor |
| 16:35.43 | oguz | xk, i can write the problem to my ISP, can someone tell me the rproblem exactly related with Trukey |
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| 16:35.46 | quiet | i thought 2.6 was the default now for the debian-installer rc3? |
| 16:35.54 | resiak | oguz: Hundreds of spambots are on ttnet.net.tr |
| 16:35.57 | greycat | oguz: they're infected with spambots |
| 16:36.01 | abrotman | oguz: every machine in turkey is infected |
| 16:36.02 | FieldySnuts | try thousands |
| 16:36.02 | resiak | quiet: You apparently thought wrong. |
| 16:36.07 | asg | quiet: type linux26 to get started (as indicated in the help files) |
| 16:36.13 | quiet | i know that |
| 16:36.14 | xk | it's been happening for the last... what... year? |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | oguz: but if you go through tor .. you can keep your ISP .. and noone would konw :) |
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| 16:36.34 | FieldySnuts | tor gets banned a lot too, it gets abused |
| 16:36.46 | caphuso | greycat: sur, but i thought i'd wait for the idiots to reappear |
| 16:36.49 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: sometimes you can get in .. osmetimes you can't |
| 16:36.54 | takatumi | abrotman: and then all the spambots come from tor and the tor gets klined. |
| 16:37.04 | caphuso | greycat: but i'll can change my opinion, if you want |
| 16:37.05 | xk | hrm... |
| 16:37.10 | abrotman | takatumi: that requires someone to install tor on the infected host |
| 16:37.10 | oguz | ok i am writing here for general explanation, i use ADSL, this service is supplied by Turk Telecom so many DSL users are using ttne.net.tr and automatic ip |
| 16:37.27 | oguz | so there is no practical way to change my ISP |
| 16:37.28 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: one can only hope |
| 16:37.33 | bob2 | oguz: lots of people using your isp are stupid and have 0wned machines |
| 16:37.39 | resiak | oguz: We've heard this before. This is why you must write to your ISP and tell them the problem. |
| 16:37.42 | bob2 | which have spambots which crapflood this channel |
| 16:37.43 | xk | what about... ban *!~*@*.ttnet.net.tr ? |
| 16:37.48 | greycat | oguz: well, there are TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of infected users on ttnet.net.tr, gobs and gobs more than ANY other network, coming in here to spam us with onjoin porn URLs. |
| 16:37.49 | bob2 | writing to your ISP was not useful |
| 16:37.51 | xk | oguz: can you install identd? |
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| 16:37.54 | oguz | ok i will write them now |
| 16:38.06 | ark3qqq | Eh, n/m. |
| 16:38.07 | FieldySnuts | oguz: it's up to your provider to solve the problem, your isp is one of the least responsible ISP's in the global network, they often refuse to fix problems, so channels or even entire irc networks often ban your whole isp. |
| 16:38.09 | resiak | oguz: Please ask your friends to do the same. We don't _want_ to ban entire ISPs :) |
| 16:38.10 | abrotman | bob2: not the channel .. /msg :) |
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| 16:38.25 | oguz | xk, i donw know what is identd is but i will check from debian cache if it is i will install |
| 16:38.26 | greycat | resiak: you can't say that with a straight face |
| 16:38.36 | takatumi | heh |
| 16:38.39 | xk | well... no wonder ttnet.net.tr is infected... no one knows how to use a computer |
| 16:38.48 | bob2 | I'm just surprised kornet isn't a huge problem here |
| 16:38.54 | bob2 | like 90% of my email spam comes from them |
| 16:38.55 | greycat | xk: that's hardly unique to .tr. |
| 16:39.00 | xk | greycat: heh. |
| 16:39.02 | oguz | ok i iwll tel my friends to write the Turk Telecom |
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| 16:39.14 | oguz | let me first check what identd is |
| 16:39.14 | FieldySnuts | thanks, worth a shot |
| 16:39.21 | xk | oguz: apt-get install nullidentd |
| 16:39.22 | abrotman | erm .. is there a man page for tape devices .. i seem to remember st0n .. it's gone now |
| 16:39.30 | xk | oguz: reconnect to this server. |
| 16:39.30 | bob2 | and have not once replied to abuse@ email |
| 16:39.33 | abrotman | unless i'm making crap up .. which happens |
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| 16:39.45 | bob2 | tho at least they don't bounce it like some other moronic providers |
| 16:39.46 | greycat | abrotman: /dev/st* and /dev/nst* |
| 16:39.52 | abrotman | ah .. nst :) |
| 16:39.57 | oguz | xk, i am downloading it right now |
| 16:39.57 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 16:39.58 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 16:40.10 | abrotman | greycat: thanks .. i was going to lose my mind :) |
| 16:40.25 | bob2 | Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. |
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| 16:40.28 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.31 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.31 | abrotman | i guess i could have looked on one of the other machines :) |
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| 16:40.34 | bob2 | bah |
| 16:40.36 | oguz | but i will ask you some questions about the infection at the ISP, so that i will be able to write correct words |
| 16:40.36 | bob2 | fucktards |
| 16:40.38 | bob2 | (sorry) |
| 16:40.47 | qwertz | resiak, thanks for the hint - it's frustrating to plug in the stick and mount /mnt/stick complains being not able to find a partition |
| 16:41.04 | oguz | i am disconnecting and reconnecting because xk says it to be |
| 16:41.22 | xk | oguz: well. I'm not sure if you're using a dsl modem router... you could be firewalling port 113 |
| 16:41.28 | xk | so would make no difference. |
| 16:41.34 | tttmt | can any one please tell me what is the name of this network card: PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA? |
| 16:41.39 | oguz | xk, i am using dsl router modem |
| 16:41.46 | mdadm | hey guys what does it mean to "lock yourself out" of your debian machine...in the context of setting up a single ssh daemon? does that mean if the daemon crashes you are screwed? |
| 16:41.49 | xk | oguz: can you unfirewall port 113? |
| 16:41.49 | abrotman | tttmt: that's nto a network card |
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| 16:41.52 | abrotman | err not |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | tttmt: lspci .. sohuld say something Network Controller etc |
| 16:42.04 | tttmt | oh |
| 16:42.10 | oguz | xk, i dont know, is it a must to do it? |
| 16:42.11 | xk | Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05) |
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| 16:42.15 | abrotman | tttmt: 0000:00:13.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 01) .. etc |
| 16:42.15 | xk | this is a network card ;) |
| 16:42.19 | oguz | xk, i may check if you want |
| 16:42.31 | oguz | xk, do i need to disconnect from the channel |
| 16:42.32 | xk | oguz: well... it's a suggestion. if you want to join this channel. |
| 16:42.43 | xk | oguz: open port 113, reconnect. |
| 16:42.48 | abrotman | tttmt: find it yet? |
| 16:42.53 | bob2 | mdadm: I don't think anyone gets your question |
| 16:42.54 | oguz | xk, ok i will check whether the port 113 is opened |
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| 16:42.56 | tttmt | oh yeah |
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| 16:43.02 | jmspeex | I'm running unstable, but I'd like to change a package (sane) to testing. How do I do that? |
| 16:43.10 | tttmt | it is rt-8029 |
| 16:43.15 | abrotman | jmspeex: install it .. put it on hold |
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| 16:43.19 | tttmt | realtek |
| 16:43.26 | greycat | jmspeex: add a testing source to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install -t testing packagename |
| 16:43.29 | bob2 | jmspeex: put a testing sources.list line in, apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install sane |
| 16:43.31 | resiak | qwertz: I know :) udev is supposed to solve problems like this. Have you looking into gnome-volume-manager, hal and friends? They automatically mount usb things. |
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| 16:43.59 | mdadm | bob2: someone was telling me yesterday, that I should run like 15 ssh daemons on my machine in different ports-- in case I lock myself out...? |
| 16:44.16 | mdadm | bob2: i had to run...and didnt know what he was talking about... |
| 16:44.17 | bob2 | mdadm: thats stupid |
| 16:44.19 | bob2 | and paranoid |
| 16:44.33 | mdadm | bob2: thats what I thought..but i figured maybe he knew something i didnt |
| 16:44.34 | bob2 | tho maybe running an extra one might be sensible |
| 16:44.44 | oguz | xk, if there is no 113 port, should i create it? |
| 16:44.51 | torpet | are there some admins who use linux-vserver.org? |
| 16:44.52 | greycat | how would you "lock yourself out" in such a way that you'd be able to get in on the other ports but not port 22? |
| 16:44.56 | xk | oguz: yes. |
| 16:44.56 | torpet | the vserver-kernel-patch |
| 16:45.00 | mdadm | bob2: do ppl really lock themselves out so that they cant get in via a single daemon? |
| 16:45.02 | jmspeex | apt-get -t testing install sane sane-utils xsane xsane-common libsane |
| 16:45.09 | bob2 | mdadm: no |
| 16:45.09 | jmspeex | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 16:45.24 | caphuso | greycat: "ssh remotehost /etc/init.d/sshd stop"? |
| 16:45.30 | mdadm | greycat: not sure |
| 16:45.30 | bob2 | mdadm: I could imagine perhaps modifying ssh's config such that I couldn't login or something |
| 16:45.47 | bob2 | mdadm: but I'm always paranoid about that sort of thing, and it will never kill an existing ssh login |
| 16:45.50 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 16:45.50 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:45.52 | oguz | xk, ok my friends is dealing with it |
| 16:45.55 | greycat | See lesson 10. |
| 16:46.04 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:46.07 | helix | urgh, I hate websites who have text going all the way across the page |
| 16:46.15 | oguz | so i will tell what i understand from the spambots, so i will write a correct mail to Turk Telecom |
| 16:46.31 | jmspeex | abrotman, greycat: I have a testing source but it didn't change anything |
| 16:46.39 | oguz | the servers of Turk Telecom that gives DSL service are infected by spambots |
| 16:46.40 | xk | chmod 644 /lib/ld.so ;) |
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| 16:47.08 | xk | oguz: well, it's not the servers of the ISP.. it's the customers computers that are infected. |
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| 16:47.40 | mdadm | bob2: got it :)...thanks man |
| 16:47.40 | rkrush | Hi! Am I correct in thinking the debian packages are shar archives or is some other archiver/whatnot used? |
| 16:48.01 | caphuso | rkrush: man deb |
| 16:48.05 | torpet | *g* |
| 16:48.09 | torpet | RTFM |
| 16:48.13 | bob2 | mdadm: so, I guess the answer is, "you could theoretically break ssh so you can't login, but you'd have to be doing something stupid" ;) |
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| 16:49.04 | torpet | i think debian pkgs are packaged with tar |
| 16:49.10 | rkrush | Unfortunately I'm not using a Debian system, so 'man deb' doesn't really exist here :P I just need to extract files from a deb package, so was wondering if I need some kind of special software or not. |
| 16:49.23 | greycat | torpet: among other things. |
| 16:49.26 | stew | rkrush: that are ar archives |
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| 16:49.40 | greycat | rkrush: ar, gzip, and tar. |
| 16:49.42 | resiak | rkrush: Google is your friend :) |
| 16:49.46 | torpet | ar but control.tar.gz with gzip and tar |
| 16:49.51 | torpet | hm yes |
| 16:49.52 | greycat | and file a bug report saying that "man deb" should work. Please. |
| 16:50.06 | helix | fucking cd burning on linux |
| 16:50.11 | greycat | I won't suggest that you actually *write* the man page, though. That would be a horrific waste of your time. |
| 16:50.12 | helix | grr |
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| 16:50.27 | greycat | User contributed man pages are not welcome. |
| 16:50.35 | bob2 | greycat: no, only patches |
| 16:50.41 | bob2 | greycat: man 5 deb works for me |
| 16:50.48 | greycat | oh? he lied to us? |
| 16:50.53 | resiak | greycat: Where does that come from? |
| 16:50.55 | Ronin | greycat: hes not on debian i think |
| 16:51.03 | Ronin | rkrush> Unfortunately I'm not using a Debian system |
| 16:51.09 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 16:51.19 | rkrush | All right, thanks everyone! |
| 16:51.20 | bob2 | rkrush: ar x foo.deb ; tar -zxf data.tar.gz |
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| 16:52.13 | rkrush | Thanks a lot, bob2 :) |
| 16:53.35 | greycat | resiak: where does what come from? the bitterness? |
| 16:54.03 | quiet | just curious.. is there any talk about what they will call debian releases after they use up the toy story names? |
| 16:54.08 | jmspeex | greycat: any idea why apt-get install -t testing didn't work? |
| 16:54.08 | FieldySnuts | heh seen somewhere else <Keizer> I'm using Ubuntu and it blows hard |
| 16:54.11 | dambodog | i am trying to recompile my kernel to be (2.6.11.5) and for some reason when i try to run mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.11.5.img 2.6.11.5 it comes out with a syntx error.. |
| 16:54.14 | greycat | quiet: I think the world will end. |
| 16:54.26 | greycat | jmspeex: because you didn't add a testing source? |
| 16:54.38 | quiet | greycat, probably.. :P |
| 16:54.38 | FieldySnuts | quiet: that won't happen till at least the year 2039 anyway |
| 16:54.39 | stew | quiet: lately they are releasing toy story movies faster than debian is releasing so i don't see a problem :) |
| 16:54.44 | quiet | LOL |
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| 16:54.52 | bob2 | dambodog: I wouldn't make an initrd for a custom kernel |
| 16:55.10 | jmspeex | greycat: I *did* add a testing source |
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| 16:55.14 | quiet | they should go to like..Monsters, Inc. names.. or Finding Nemo names.. lol |
| 16:55.25 | Rewind | hello. does anybody know how to get the debian stable floppy installer to recognize a usb keyboard? bios is set to usb legacy support. the keytimer parameter doesn't work. should i just download the testing floppy installers instead? are they any different or do they still use the 2.2 kernel even on the testing floppies? |
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| 16:55.31 | oguz | xk, i couldnt find the NAPT setting to open a 113 port here is what it says NAPT Port Start: 50000 |
| 16:55.31 | oguz | NAPT Port End: 51023 |
| 16:55.34 | greycat | quiet: bug's life would be next. |
| 16:55.42 | Greggor | kbrooks? |
| 16:55.46 | quiet | greycat, yeah i suppose |
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| 16:55.58 | kbrooks | ? |
| 16:56.01 | bob2 | Greggor: please don't bring whatever silly fight you're having with kbrooks in here |
| 16:56.11 | Greggor | bob2 - don't worry about it |
| 16:56.22 | dambodog | bob2, ok. so after i make modules and modules_install and cp th e sys map, bzImage i should edit grub and i'm done? |
| 16:56.33 | jmspeex | greycat: deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 16:56.34 | bob2 | I will if something stupid is spilling into here |
| 16:56.41 | bob2 | #debian has enough crap without getting other channel's |
| 16:56.50 | bob2 | Rewind: there are bf2.4 (2.4.18) images |
| 16:57.04 | bob2 | dambodog: assuming you included all the crucial stuff IN the kernel, yes |
| 16:57.05 | Rewind | bob2: oh... thanks... i didn't consider those. |
| 16:57.35 | Greggor | bob2 - relax... |
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| 16:57.42 | bob2 | blah |
| 16:57.44 | dambodog | bob2, i hope so;) we'll see. |
| 16:57.50 | bob2 | that's very high on the list of things that annoy me |
| 16:57.56 | resiak | greycat: That line about user contributed manpages. |
| 16:58.01 | greycat | !linux man pages |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 16:58.16 | greycat | which really should be "gnu man pages", not linux. |
| 16:58.18 | bob2 | resiak: greycat is bitter because they refused a patch he sent for find |
| 16:58.20 | greycat | the linux ones aren't all that bad, really. |
| 16:58.35 | resiak | bob2: Ah, I see. |
| 16:58.42 | Blissex | bob2: <greycat> is bitter, period :-) |
| 16:58.43 | bob2 | still not as complete as solaris's |
| 16:59.11 | pipeline | resiak, bob2: greycat is right. Debian man pages lead the pack of linux distributions (nearly everyone else uses debian's) but Solaris and FreeBSD have *vastly* superior man pages. |
| 16:59.15 | greycat | dpkg, gnu man pages is <reply> gnu man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 16:59.16 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:59.21 | greycat | dpkg, forget linux man pages |
| 16:59.21 | dpkg | i forgot linux man pages, greycat |
| 16:59.26 | lrojas | Guerin, would it have killed the guys making the debian installer to provide a middle ground in the install options, betwen "Install Everything and the Kitchen Sink" and "I will single handely choose every individual package", somewhere i could have choosen to install gnome, and not KDE, etc ? |
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| 16:59.57 | greycat | lrojas: apt-get install gnome |
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| 16:59.59 | resiak | pipeline: I use Solaris too, and I know :) |
| 17:00.27 | resiak | pipeline: Unfortunately, the Solaris _tools_ seem to suck in general, so you just can't win. |
| 17:00.28 | lrojas | greycat, i mean at install time, and that dont install everything... |
| 17:00.41 | greycat | lrojas: *shrug* |
| 17:00.47 | lrojas | i know |
| 17:00.51 | resiak | lrojas: Fill out installation-report, and mention it |
| 17:00.54 | nvz | lrojas: the debian-installer's "Desktop System" in tasksel actually does install something called kitchensync |
| 17:01.27 | nvz | It ammused me thoroughly when I saw that package. |
| 17:01.43 | lrojas | yup |
| 17:01.50 | lrojas | is nuts |
| 17:01.53 | nvz | heh |
| 17:02.07 | lrojas | i am installing Sarge rc3 |
| 17:02.11 | pipeline | resiak: I am inclined to disagree, but my solaris $PATH is riddled with GNU stuff anyway :P |
| 17:02.11 | lrojas | :p |
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| 17:02.28 | lrojas | Unix is poluted |
| 17:02.37 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 17:02.43 | nvz | lrojas: you are free to skip tasksel without making a selection, and run aptitude, or otherwise make a selection in tasksel, then fine-tune it in aptitude |
| 17:02.47 | resiak | pipeline: Oh, come on. FI, Solaris tar doesn't have -z ... |
| 17:02.59 | nvz | lrojas: thats what the "individual package selection" is for |
| 17:03.31 | lrojas | i know, but, i am thinking of the person that comes new to the system, or even new to debian |
| 17:03.32 | greycat | resiak: nor should it. |
| 17:03.41 | pipeline | resiak: Solaris tar is only included for backwards compatibility. Sun distributes archives in gtar format. |
| 17:03.42 | greycat | resiak: but missing a POSIX /bin/sh is a serious crime against humanity. |
| 17:03.57 | nvz | lrojas: fuck em, if they cant read, they get everything, including the kitchensync |
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| 17:04.00 | jmspeex | greycat: no idea what's wrong? |
| 17:04.10 | FieldySnuts | @win nvz |
| 17:04.12 | ravenbird | Congratulations, nvz! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:04.17 | bob2 | do any proprietary unixes include a useful /bin/sh? |
| 17:04.18 | nvz | lrojas: ever heard "its better to be safe than sorry"? |
| 17:04.21 | pipeline | resiak, greycat: Solaris ksh is a valid POSIX shell. |
| 17:04.28 | greycat | pipeline: but /bin/sh is not. |
| 17:04.29 | resiak | pipeline, greycat: Well, I should at this point confess that I don't use Solaris _much_. |
| 17:04.41 | pipeline | greycat, resiak: On Solaris, /bin/sh is ksh88, IIRC. |
| 17:04.41 | lrojas | now now.... ever heard user experience? |
| 17:04.42 | greycat | pipeline: and you can't bloody go around writing #!/bin/ksh in scripts that are supposed to be portable |
| 17:04.57 | FieldySnuts | Ironwalker: yawn |
| 17:04.58 | lrojas | i mean, is not only stability nowdays |
| 17:05.07 | greycat | lrojas: oh PLEASE shut up. |
| 17:05.09 | FieldySnuts | lrojas: yawn |
| 17:05.09 | greycat | !advocacy troll |
| 17:05.09 | nvz | lrojas: yeah, I installed 3 complete newbies in the past 2 weeks, and they are all doing fine |
| 17:05.09 | dpkg | [advocacy troll] a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
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| 17:05.25 | FieldySnuts | "market share" |
| 17:05.28 | kbrooks | root 4167 0.0 0.5 2756 1336 pts/1 T 15:43 0:00 /bin/sh /sbin/grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/ /dev/hda |
| 17:05.31 | greycat | nvz: you installed newbies? DAMN YOU! We have enough of those already! |
| 17:05.37 | FieldySnuts | always irritates the piss out of me when used in regards to linux |
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| 17:05.41 | kbrooks | What does T mean? |
| 17:05.46 | greycat | kbrooks: stopped. |
| 17:05.52 | kbrooks | ooh |
| 17:05.53 | lrojas | hmm so now i am a troll |
| 17:05.53 | nvz | greycat: hey, 2 out of 3 dont have internet, they wont be in here |
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| 17:06.01 | FieldySnuts | lrojas: we knew thanks |
| 17:06.05 | lrojas | why, because i simply expressing my opinion? |
| 17:06.10 | arnon | file something.rt gives me 'data', is there a way to tell more about the file |
| 17:06.17 | FieldySnuts | no, because you are expressing things widely known to piss people off |
| 17:06.26 | kbrooks | greycat, ok, so i can safely reboot? |
| 17:06.28 | greycat | arnon: hex dump it |
| 17:06.33 | bob2 | arnon: do you know what it is? |
| 17:06.35 | lrojas | you know, you guys really ough to work on your attitude problems |
| 17:06.36 | Marticus | has someone here compiled 2.6 with low latency options? |
| 17:06.38 | greycat | kbrooks: what in the bloody *hell*...? |
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| 17:06.45 | FieldySnuts | if you can't deal with non touchy-feely installers, maybe you shouldn't be using linux |
| 17:06.46 | abrotman | lrojas: they do provide the middle ground |
| 17:06.47 | oguz | i have to leave now, but i will write to Turk Telecom and tell the problem as soon as possible, i couldnt find whetehr i can open 113 port from the setting of my modem, i have to go now i hope i will reconnect again see you |
| 17:06.49 | greycat | kbrooks: what does this have to do with rebooting? |
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| 17:06.57 | greycat | kbrooks: unstop the job, for loki's sake! |
| 17:06.59 | kbrooks | greycat, its done with installing grub. |
| 17:07.00 | nvz | lrojas: opinions are like assholes, everyon's got one but Nobody wants wants to hear em. read the freenode channel guidelines, then let me know which part you don't understand. http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 17:07.01 | FieldySnuts | oguz: see you later, and thanks for trying |
| 17:07.13 | kbrooks | ok |
| 17:07.20 | kbrooks | R+ |
| 17:07.33 | oguz | FieldySnuts, i will try tonight again if i come back early and mail to the service proveder and tell my friends to the same |
| 17:07.34 | kbrooks | (what does the + mean?) |
| 17:07.35 | lrojas | let me see.. i will humor you nvz, so far i dont think i am breaching any rules... |
| 17:07.51 | oguz | so the problem is the users are infected from spams |
| 17:07.51 | kbrooks | ok |
| 17:07.59 | FieldySnuts | lrojas: you don't have to, you only have to annoy the wrong people (you're doing that) |
| 17:08.01 | nvz | lrojas: If we all suddenly thought this was a place to express and debate our opinions, nobody would get help anymore, they would ask how to retab in vi, and I would tell them it sucks, and they should use emacs |
| 17:08.14 | FieldySnuts | vi! |
| 17:08.15 | kbrooks | now i can safely reboot |
| 17:08.16 | resiak | oguz: Your ISP's users have spambots installed which join IRC and send pr0n links to people. |
| 17:08.16 | oguz | the users that are taking service from Ttnet and ISP should do something thats ia what i will wirte mainly |
| 17:08.35 | FieldySnuts | resiak: he knows, we've been through the discussion |
| 17:08.36 | kbrooks | brb. |
| 17:08.44 | oguz | ok if you have some ips i may give them also |
| 17:08.46 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Oh, okay. I thought I was clarifying. *shuts up* |
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| 17:09.00 | oguz | i will write this problem to ttnet |
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| 17:09.08 | oguz | and my friends will do too |
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| 17:09.22 | Marticus | no one has built a preempt low latency kernel? |
| 17:09.24 | oguz | but is there a solution that ttnet can do something for it? |
| 17:09.30 | FieldySnuts | Marticus: nope, no one, ever |
| 17:09.35 | Marticus | hehe |
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| 17:09.41 | FieldySnuts | oguz: only ttnet knows |
| 17:09.44 | Marticus | well, no one responded... :) |
| 17:09.52 | nvz | Marticus: don't beat around the issue, its okay to come out and ask proper questions in #debian |
| 17:09.54 | saik0 | How would I remove the session I saved in gnome, it's crashing at login after I messed with it. |
| 17:10.01 | oguz | FieldySnuts, ok i will do what i can do then, now i am leaving |
| 17:10.07 | abrotman | Marticus: they gave up .. because for most people .. it ended up in worse performance |
| 17:10.18 | Marticus | thanks abrotman |
| 17:10.19 | lrojas | ok, i read the page.. i sugest you read it yourself |
| 17:10.20 | pipeline | greycat: Well, tickle my ass, you're right. /bin/sh on Solaris isn't POSIX after all, but rather a bourne shell. Which, I suppose, isn't as heinous as bash-as-sh, but ash/bourne are not exactly fun to write scripts for. |
| 17:10.25 | FieldySnuts | lrojas: troll. |
| 17:10.27 | abrotman | Marticus: sorry that doesn't help :) |
| 17:10.28 | green_earz | lrojas: by installing several desktops a newcomer can get a feel for each. but like you i think if there where a sections for each desktop the type in the installer would be better |
| 17:10.34 | oguz | before i leave, if i couldnt reconnect again to debian, may the ips will be banned, with whos i should speak for help? |
| 17:10.48 | lrojas | thanks green_earz |
| 17:10.49 | Marticus | abrotman: no, it's better than "don't beat around the issue..." |
| 17:10.50 | nvz | Marticus: if that doesnt work, try another time/day with other people around, another channel, or debian mailing-lists, which are usually much more helpful. |
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| 17:11.01 | TBBle | Gah. What's the bash thingy to get the pid of the last run program? |
| 17:11.03 | resiak | lrojas: Like I say, fill out installation-report and file it. |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | Marticus: that's my understanding anyways .. maybe ask #kernel if it's worth your time |
| 17:11.07 | resiak | TBBle: man bash ! |
| 17:11.07 | greycat | TBBle: $! |
| 17:11.09 | lrojas | will do |
| 17:11.11 | Marticus | yeah goo dpoint |
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| 17:11.27 | lrojas | as soon as it finish downloading the bootload of stuff |
| 17:11.33 | nvz | I've read it over 100 times, I have been here for years. |
| 17:11.44 | Marticus | nvz, I appreciate your concern for good channel flow here |
| 17:11.45 | resiak | lrojas: Go out and get a coffee or something while it downloads. |
| 17:11.51 | Marticus | nvz, keep up the good work |
| 17:11.51 | TBBle | Thanks. |
| 17:11.57 | oguz | never mind i will check the channel list and msg one of you if i find |
| 17:12.05 | oguz | thanx for warning and help |
| 17:12.07 | oguz | see you later |
| 17:12.28 | FieldySnuts | nice guy but I thought he'd say bye 29 more times |
| 17:12.30 | nvz | Marticus: well the debian mailing lists helped me when I was compiling 500 kernels a day for a shitty laptop |
| 17:12.36 | Marticus | lol |
| 17:12.46 | nvz | Marticus: you usually get many good replies within a few hours |
| 17:12.47 | Marticus | that must have been something |
| 17:12.49 | indymedia | how can i allow x to receive exported progs from my net with a fresh sarge? xhost doesn't help... |
| 17:12.54 | Marticus | 500 is a record, no? |
| 17:12.57 | greycat | indymedia: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:13.04 | Marticus | forgive me, I'm in a strange mood |
| 17:13.04 | nvz | Marticus: people will waste their time to be a smart ass in here, doesnt typically happen on the mailing lists |
| 17:13.32 | Marticus | trust me... of this I am aware |
| 17:13.47 | Marticus | I didn't just come here for my first time today... |
| 17:13.50 | Marticus | *grin* |
| 17:14.05 | nvz | me either. see debstats.dontexist.org :P |
| 17:14.05 | Marticus | and irc is nothing new to me, nor is opn, err, whatever the hell this network is called these days |
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| 17:14.08 | travisat | !enter |
| 17:14.08 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 17:14.13 | euclid__ | hi guys, i need some help |
| 17:14.20 | nvz | Marticus: FN |
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| 17:14.23 | resiak | !tell euclid__ -about ask |
| 17:14.24 | mdadm | ive been reading these web pages that says debian has firewall capability built into the kernel? inodetables or such... should i install another package just to be extra safe? tempted-- but was reading the info on firehol...seems like even they are vulnerable...so question is: do you guys invest time in installing a firewall on your machines or do you figure its not that big a deal? |
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| 17:14.33 | Marticus | I know, I was just being sarcastic |
| 17:14.34 | Marticus | hehe |
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| 17:14.44 | Marticus | your case in point, hehe |
| 17:14.55 | travisat | hehe |
| 17:14.56 | green_earz | lrojas: lets hope things move that direction with the installer. I bet it will in the future, but the main point is that the installer as well inproved |
| 17:15.10 | resiak | mdadm: Run only the services you need. There is no need for a firewall. This is a matter of opinion, though. |
| 17:15.12 | indymedia | greycat: thks, my question now is: how do i enable tcp support in X? that's such a long time i haven't been doing that... |
| 17:15.13 | TBBle | Bugger... $! doesn't get whatever PID timidity --background ends up with. Anyone tried to integrate it into alsa's init.d script before around here, and knows why it's a bad idea? |
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| 17:15.25 | nvz | I think I've had enough #debian already today |
| 17:15.26 | lrojas | green_earz: they seem to be improving in the hardware detection |
| 17:15.29 | FieldySnuts | nvz: :( |
| 17:15.32 | resiak | TBBle: pgrep might be your friend. |
| 17:15.33 | Marticus | oh well, I suppose I will go back to building up my idle time |
| 17:15.35 | Marticus | again... |
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| 17:16.04 | stouset | Woot! d-i rc3! |
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| 17:16.15 | kbrooks | heh |
| 17:16.20 | TBBle | resiak: Ah, of course... As long as no one else is running timidity at the time, but I'll see if I can work it out. Thanks. ^_^ |
| 17:16.33 | mikkel | how do i check what version of fluxbox iø'm running ? |
| 17:16.34 | arnon | greycat, how do I do that? hexdump... |
| 17:16.45 | nvz | mikkel: dpkg -l fluxbox |
| 17:16.52 | kbrooks | I have a question. How do I instal grub to the mbr? |
| 17:16.53 | arnon | bob2, no and I want to know |
| 17:17.09 | lrojas | green_earz: but for instance... one thing i dont understand... why fi my pc has an Athlon, wont they install the proper kernel image instead of having me do a apt-get install kernel-image-<propperversion> |
| 17:17.14 | resiak | kbrooks: apt-get install grub-doc; info grub |
| 17:17.19 | takatumi | nvz: had enough #debian? haven't seen you around lately. are you in love? |
| 17:17.38 | nvz | takatumi: I wish. |
| 17:17.40 | takatumi | stouset: tested it? |
| 17:17.42 | resiak | TBBle: man pgrep -- you can say only for your own user. |
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| 17:18.04 | arnon | mikkel, fluxbox -v |
| 17:18.07 | kbrooks | resiak, info has a sucky interface. |
| 17:18.08 | greycat | arnon: install hexdump, or man od |
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| 17:18.29 | stouset | takatumi: Not yet. I will ASAP though. |
| 17:18.31 | nvz | takatumi: I'm just back home, and its politics season... so I am out and about |
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| 17:19.29 | Delph | re TBBle's problem; is it likely that $! will only say if it's bash that put it in the background instead of timidity starting a new process? |
| 17:19.41 | greycat | Delph: of course. |
| 17:19.46 | bob2 | arnon: then ask whoever made it, or hexdump it, or look at it in a file |
| 17:19.47 | greycat | how would bash know what timidity did? |
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| 17:19.49 | Delph | (will --no-background &, then use $!, work ?) |
| 17:19.52 | bob2 | er, s/file/text editor/ |
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| 17:20.46 | green_earz | lrojas: that may be in the future when the installer could detect the cpu type. but installing the 386 image gets a install on many machines |
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| 17:21.05 | takatumi | how can I get rid of the funny smilies from this? http://gpoppy.org/2005-03-24-201839_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 17:21.19 | pipeline | lrojas: The 386 image isn't optimized for 386, it's just compiled in such a way as for it to be POSSIBLE to run it on a 386. |
| 17:21.24 | arnon | bob2, I don't know who made it, when I look it using text editor it just give me blanks, will hexdump tell me what kind of file it is? or it will just give me some hexadecimal stuffs? |
| 17:21.30 | greycat | pipeline: 486 for sarge. |
| 17:21.37 | bob2 | arnon: hexadecimal |
| 17:21.50 | bob2 | arnon: you realise it's not possible to magically figure out a file is, right? |
| 17:21.53 | greycat | takatumi: looks like a locale issue. |
| 17:22.07 | arnon | bob2, not untill now |
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| 17:22.10 | greycat | takatumi: specifically, something's emitting UTF-8 into an ISO-8859-* locale |
| 17:22.10 | bob2 | lrojas: submit a patch if you think it's so trivial |
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| 17:22.16 | nvz | takatumi: I think you are seeing things :P I dont see any smilies |
| 17:22.21 | greycat | (I think) |
| 17:22.24 | Delph | arnon: there are quite large lists of extensions and magic numbers on the internet; but generally the magic numbers are in file. |
| 17:22.28 | bob2 | http://gpoppy.org/2005-03-24-201839_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 17:22.29 | arnon | bob2, usually file filename gives me the decription of the file |
| 17:22.30 | bob2 | bah |
| 17:22.33 | pipeline | arnon: have you tried the "file" program? |
| 17:22.41 | pipeline | arnon: e.g. "file foo.xls" |
| 17:22.43 | arnon | pipeline, yes and it just say 'data' |
| 17:22.58 | pipeline | arnon: Tried using "strings" to search through it? |
| 17:23.06 | arnon | Delph, how do I look at the magic number? |
| 17:23.06 | pipeline | arnon: "strings <file> | less" |
| 17:23.20 | mikkel | how do i update my fluxbox? iøø'w downloaded the new *.deb package but do i just install it as normal ? |
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| 17:23.53 | takatumi | greycat: I don't have this problem with less, just most. |
| 17:23.58 | green_earz | lrojas: you have upgraded your kernel to your cpu type, and if so i bet you liked the apt-get install your-kernel-type ? |
| 17:24.03 | greycat | takatumi: file a bug report |
| 17:24.06 | Delph | arnon: hexdump and have a nosey at the first few bytes. |
| 17:24.13 | takatumi | greycat: ok. |
| 17:24.14 | torpet | mikkel: you have to execute the command "rm -rf /lib/modules/*", then reboot and then install fluxbox |
| 17:24.19 | arnon | pipeline, that gives me a@e~>PjV}Nd>(: and so on |
| 17:24.25 | greycat | torpet: WHAT? |
| 17:24.29 | nvz | I need to actually walk outside.. I cant trust weather.com as far as I can throw the annoying redirect I get when I go there |
| 17:24.29 | torpet | ^^ |
| 17:24.31 | arnon | Delph, ok |
| 17:24.33 | mikkel | torpet: right |
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| 17:24.39 | torpet | :)' |
| 17:24.39 | pipeline | arnon: Yeah, look for something useful in it. |
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| 17:24.49 | Delph | arnon: yes, but do you recognise any of the strings, any of them in actual words? |
| 17:24.50 | arnon | pipeline, such as... |
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| 17:25.00 | pipeline | arnon: Well, what's useful is up to you. |
| 17:25.06 | arnon | Delph, so far no... |
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| 17:25.34 | Delph | arnon: i mean, there's always the possiblity that it's the contents of /dev/random |
| 17:25.59 | arnon | Delph, it is big, about 300 mb |
| 17:26.57 | nvz | yep its fuckin cold, looks like I am going 3-ply today |
| 17:26.59 | indymedia | indymedia: removing '-nolisten tcp' in /etc/X11/xserverrc is the answer to my own question :) |
| 17:27.09 | greycat | !nolisten |
| 17:27.13 | dpkg | ask me about 'sshx'. No, really. What, you're still reading this? You're connecting to a legacy piece of software that doesn't have sshd on it? OK, then remove the "-nolisten tcp" from your X invocation and then ask me about "mit-magic-cookie" and read "man xauth". |
| 17:27.51 | indymedia | this chan is soon a prog i think :) |
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| 17:28.03 | FieldySnuts | if you say so |
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| 17:28.14 | indymedia | greycat:thks! |
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| 17:28.53 | teffgen | OI povo! |
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| 17:30.51 | arnon | hexdump just gave me a bunch of numbers that give me headache |
| 17:31.15 | bob2 | indeed |
| 17:31.19 | greycat | arnon: then it's unlikely you will ever know what this file means, without asking the person you got it from |
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| 17:34.11 | arnon | later everyone |
| 17:34.40 | TBBle | Delph: That probably would work, but I'd rather add .pid support to timidity. ^_^ |
| 17:35.11 | Delph | TBBle: oh you dont want to fix other people's code! that way lies madness =:) |
| 17:35.29 | Eclipser | Delph, thanks for the late warning |
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| 17:35.32 | TBBle | Delph: But that's why I'm a Debian user. ^_^ |
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| 17:36.16 | evil_genius | damnit... i did the install an did 'file server' but nwo it starts appletalk too.. and i don't want it... cn i just remove appletalk?? or where do I stop it from starting? |
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| 17:39.51 | takatumi | quiet: remove appletalk from /etc/modules |
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| 17:40.59 | quiet | thanks |
| 17:42.22 | aidehua | lol at !mythtv and !freevo :) |
| 17:42.57 | linux_nut | would installing a 2.6.10 kernel be considered ok as the source is not available in sarge |
| 17:42.57 | kneecaps | !mythtv |
| 17:42.57 | dpkg | mythtv is probably software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. mythtv.org, but freevo is better Sid and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
| 17:43.22 | kneecaps | !freevo |
| 17:43.23 | dpkg | well, freevo is software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
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| 17:45.12 | xoz | linux_nut: if you know how the ins and outs of kernel compilation and the hang-up, proceed |
| 17:45.37 | linux_nut | cool, thanks |
| 17:46.47 | Eclipser | erm? |
| 17:46.49 | takatumi | linux_nut: use kernel-package |
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| 17:47.03 | grigora | !search |
| 17:47.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or ... |
| 17:47.17 | Eclipser | "mythtv.org, but freevo is better" "freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better" huh? |
| 17:47.23 | linux_nut | yes takatumi, that is my preferred way, thanks |
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| 17:47.56 | takatumi | linux_nut: god speed. |
| 17:48.06 | linux_nut | :) |
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| 17:49.17 | greycat | Eclipser: you've got it. |
| 17:49.24 | lrojas | how do i know wich are the bots? |
| 17:49.36 | greycat | lrojas: dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, debhelper |
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| 17:49.43 | Eclipser | mythtv segfaulted for me |
| 17:49.50 | Eclipser | tvtime doesn't like PAL-BG |
| 17:49.54 | Eclipser | xawtv doesn't like me |
| 17:49.56 | lrojas | they all respond to the same commans? |
| 17:49.57 | greycat | damn, I shouldn't have answered that one so straight |
| 17:50.28 | Eclipser | greycat, you're losing it :) |
| 17:52.09 | mikkel | can someone plz help me with updating my fluxbox? found the newest package at fluxbox.org, but if i try to dpkg -i fluxbox_0.9.11-1_i386.deb i get an error: Errors wereencountered while prossing: fluxbox_0.9.11-1_i386.deb |
| 17:52.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump lrojas |
| 17:53.00 | Eclipser | damg |
| 17:53.07 | Eclipser | I miss my 100Mbps internet already :< |
| 17:53.11 | Eclipser | this 2Mbps sucks |
| 17:53.23 | dvs | 100Mbps? Only? ;-) |
| 17:53.30 | Eclipser | yeh :p |
| 17:53.35 | greycat | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 17:53.38 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 17:55.50 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 17:56.02 | Eclipser | I typoed "exit" twice as rciy :p |
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| 17:57.22 | resiak | !bots is also dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, debhelper |
| 17:57.22 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 17:57.58 | resiak | greycat: ^^ or maybe that's too easy. |
| 17:58.07 | takatumi | poor piggy and badgers |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | dpkg, bots =~ s/debhelper/debhelper. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anywah./ |
| 17:58.17 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:58.23 | greycat | damn it. |
| 17:58.27 | greycat | dpkg, bots =~ s/wah/way/ |
| 17:58.27 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 17:58.31 | close_to_debian | i get this from my logs |
| 17:58.38 | greycat | takatumi: oh, I forgot piggy |
| 17:58.39 | close_to_debian | From x.x.x.x: unmount of /proc by /usr/local/cpanel/bin/jailshell[jailshell:19143] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:32861/32861, parent /sbin/init[init:1] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0 |
| 17:58.52 | greycat | dpkg, bots =~ s/badgers/badgers, piggy/ |
| 17:58.52 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:58.57 | close_to_debian | i dont understand this uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:32861/32861 |
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| 17:59.02 | close_to_debian | is this hacking |
| 17:59.11 | greycat | it's a STRING. |
| 17:59.11 | close_to_debian | Please help me |
| 17:59.16 | resiak | close_to_debian: Userid/effective user id: 0. Group id, effective group id. What are you on about? |
| 17:59.16 | knix | topic |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | is there a decent alternative to tar/dump/cpio ? |
| 17:59.24 | greycat | it's got letters and numbers and punctuation and whitespace. |
| 17:59.36 | stew | close_to_debian: you are not running debian, are you |
| 17:59.48 | close_to_debian | abrotman: From x.x.x.x: unmount of /proc by /usr/local/cpanel/bin/jailshell[jailshell:19143] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:32861/32861 |
| 17:59.48 | stew | afaik cpanel doens't run on debian |
| 17:59.51 | takatumi | stew: close but no cigar. |
| 17:59.59 | abrotman | close_to_debian: i don't fucking care .. don't fucking tell me |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | stew: or use /usr/local ? :) |
| 18:00.19 | knix | resiak, haha, thanks :) |
| 18:00.21 | Eclipser | geez |
| 18:00.23 | Eclipser | language! |
| 18:00.28 | stew | and jailshell is quite an abomination |
| 18:00.31 | resiak | !info cpanel |
| 18:00.33 | dpkg | cpanel: (A configuration tool for Chinese desktop environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 383 kB |
| 18:00.33 | greycat | close_to_debian: why the fuck are you administering a unix box using *cpanel*, and incapable of even reading its log files? |
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| 18:00.44 | stew | resiak: not the same cpanel |
| 18:00.45 | knix | stew, stsh >:) |
| 18:00.45 | greycat | hahahaha |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | close_to_debian: what distro are you running? |
| 18:00.50 | resiak | stew: I know :) |
| 18:01.07 | stew | i'll be fedora |
| 18:01.13 | resiak | I'll be Ubuntu! |
| 18:01.21 | abrotman | can i be ygdrasil? |
| 18:01.23 | resiak | abrotman: You can be SuSE. |
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| 18:01.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:01.29 | asg | abrotman: only if you spell it correctly |
| 18:01.29 | takatumi | !badger knoppix |
| 18:01.30 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 18:01.32 | greycat | I'll be greycat. |
| 18:01.36 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i know |
| 18:01.48 | asg | greycat GNU/Linux -- now with real manpages |
| 18:01.51 | asuffield | I'll be kicking you in the head |
| 18:01.52 | greycat | heh |
| 18:01.58 | resiak | close_to_debian: Weeeeeee're waaaaaaiting. |
| 18:02.00 | abrotman | close_to_debian: what distro are you running? |
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| 18:02.19 | resiak | gahan: No, I'm not Polish. And don't /msg me. |
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| 18:02.22 | chfn | Hi folks |
| 18:02.29 | abrotman | so .. no decent alternatives to tar/dump/etc ? |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | and yes .. in debian :0 |
| 18:02.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:02.44 | asg | abrotman: pax? |
| 18:02.46 | asuffield | there's about sixty |
| 18:02.47 | abrotman | pax? |
| 18:02.50 | resiak | gahan: Read my name backwards. Sorry to disappoint you :) |
| 18:02.50 | asg | !pax |
| 18:02.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, pax is http://pageexec.virtualave.net/ |
| 18:02.55 | asg | err |
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| 18:02.58 | asg | !info pax |
| 18:03.00 | asuffield | we've got backup tools dripping from the fricking walls |
| 18:03.01 | abrotman | asuffield: apt-cache show backup doesn't show 60 :) |
| 18:03.04 | helix | ugh |
| 18:03.05 | dpkg | pax: (Portable Archive Interchange), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:1.5-15 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 18:03.10 | helix | is ntfsresize actually in rc3? |
| 18:03.19 | helix | fucking laptops are the worst |
| 18:03.29 | resiak | helix: Worse than sheep? |
| 18:03.38 | helix | worse than paedophiles |
| 18:03.40 | jim | fucking laptops is the worst? |
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| 18:03.45 | abrotman | what's wrong with laptops? |
| 18:03.54 | asuffield | abrotman: they're lousy in bed |
| 18:03.56 | helix | installers think they have cooties |
| 18:03.58 | greycat | jim: oh, so *that's* what the weird port on the front of your laptop was for! |
| 18:04.08 | resiak | asuffield: But they keep your legs warm when you , erm , use them in bed ... |
| 18:04.09 | paulswm | They result in shrunken testicles and sterility. |
| 18:04.15 | abrotman | hrm .. works fine on every laptop i tried |
| 18:04.18 | chfn | I would like to know if Debian has a tool to display if its packages updates. I would like to see it in superkaramba or a simple X11 graphical app. I dont want SYnaptic. I would like a tool to display the number of package updates. Its simples to do with console (bash script) but I would like with X11 |
| 18:04.22 | jim | you've never seen my laptop.... |
| 18:04.25 | jim | undressed... |
| 18:04.26 | asg | paulswm: which isn't usually a problem if you sit on irc all day |
| 18:04.34 | resiak | chfn: What's wrong with synaptic? |
| 18:04.39 | paulswm | !beer asg |
| 18:04.54 | helix | anyway, has anyone here used ntfsresize? how do you invoke this magical creature on d-i? |
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| 18:05.00 | asg | paulswm: I need one today, it's bloody hot and they haven't switched to AC yet. |
| 18:05.12 | kneecaps | helix: you can do stuff to NTFS now? |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | boofreakinhoo |
| 18:05.20 | abrotman | it's hot .. |
| 18:05.22 | helix | kneecaps: supposedly ntfsresize is in rc3 |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | asg: wanna trade? |
| 18:05.25 | resiak | helix: I've used it, but only from SystemRescueCD |
| 18:05.26 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 18:05.26 | jim | helix: can you resize from windows? |
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| 18:05.30 | checksum | can anyone tell me wath consoletrans I should use, (I am using sv-latin1.map.gz) but it refuses to giv me all the symbols |
| 18:05.32 | drac | Is there packaged dns server, something that has also www gui to handle it? |
| 18:05.34 | chfn | resiak, its not wrong. I like it but i would really like a simple X11 display to appear how much package updates I need to do. |
| 18:05.39 | asg | drac: yes, no |
| 18:05.41 | kneecaps | helix: i thought that it would kill it :D |
| 18:05.43 | abrotman | asg: you can freeze your arse off for 4 months of the year |
| 18:05.45 | helix | jim: no idea, I only booted into windows to make sure it worked; this isn't my laptop otherwise I'd wipe the whole thing |
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| 18:05.51 | chfn | s/would really/really would/ |
| 18:06.04 | helix | is there a resize tool in windows? |
| 18:06.04 | Puppster | anyone know how to do search replace in emacs across multiple buffers at once? |
| 18:06.05 | resiak | chfn: Well ... it runs in X, and displays how many package upgrades you need to do. What's the problem? |
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| 18:06.19 | asuffield | helix: partitionmagic. check your preferred warez supplier |
| 18:06.20 | resiak | Puppster: #emacs ? |
| 18:06.20 | asg | abrotman: sounds great to me :) |
| 18:06.24 | kneecaps | helix: get ubuntu on there...most windows users love it :D |
| 18:06.30 | close_to_debian | abrotman: its rh9 a remote machine |
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| 18:06.31 | Puppster | oh, score |
| 18:06.34 | Puppster | thanks |
| 18:06.35 | asg | helix: what windows? |
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| 18:06.35 | xoz | helix: better to back it up and wipe it clean. it's safer than ntfsresize and much easier. |
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| 18:06.36 | helix | ubuntu doesn't work either |
| 18:06.40 | helix | asg: xp |
| 18:06.43 | jim | helix: there's always the "backup/delpartn/mksmallerpartn/restore" thing |
| 18:06.45 | helix | it's a brand new laptop |
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| 18:06.54 | asg | helix: the drive manager mmc applet thingy in control panel should allow resizing. |
| 18:06.55 | helix | asuffield: I don't know any warez suppliers :/ |
| 18:06.56 | thingfish | close_to_debian: #fedora-legacy |
| 18:07.08 | chfn | resiak, i would like to use as superkaramba. Its INTO superkaramba or gkrellm. |
| 18:07.12 | asuffield | helix: you have used this internet thing before, right? |
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| 18:07.18 | chfn | resiak, are you devel of synaptic? |
| 18:07.24 | helix | asuffield: yeah, but I have no idea how to get warez anymore |
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| 18:07.41 | cef | chfn: there is an update tool in ubuntu that does what you want.. it may end up in debian.. who knows |
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| 18:07.58 | chfn | cef, ubuntu ? |
| 18:08.10 | greycat | asuffield: I remember a time when people suggesting warez in here would've been chided, at least. |
| 18:08.19 | helix | ubuntu doesn't even detect the cdrom |
| 18:08.22 | asuffield | greycat: ask a windows question... |
| 18:08.29 | chfn | helix, take easy |
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| 18:08.35 | helix | chfn: ? |
| 18:08.41 | jim | is it a good idea to ask a windows question here? |
| 18:08.44 | jim | there. |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | jim: no. |
| 18:08.48 | FieldySnuts | or somethin |
| 18:08.52 | chfn | helix, if detect or not cdrom, you, admin, can do it. |
| 18:08.53 | FieldySnuts | easy? |
| 18:08.55 | FieldySnuts | heh this is silly' |
| 18:09.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart chfn |
| 18:09.13 | jim | there. I asked a winders question :) |
| 18:09.16 | chfn | helix, i'm from mandrake...slackware... in the beggining. :D |
| 18:09.20 | FieldySnuts | odd. that factoid used to be longer |
| 18:09.20 | knix | Is firefox broken in sid? |
| 18:09.23 | helix | that's nice |
| 18:09.29 | asg | knix: working fine here |
| 18:09.30 | helix | greycat: well, it started with a debian question... |
| 18:09.35 | knix | asg, ok, thanks |
| 18:09.36 | resiak | chfn: No, I'm not. |
| 18:09.55 | jim | chfn: so are a lot of us |
| 18:10.03 | resiak | !btssmite knix |
| 18:10.05 | chfn | jim, I know |
| 18:10.07 | chfn | :0 |
| 18:10.17 | cef | chfn: ubuntu is another dist.. based off debian.. but it's not debian so don't ask about it here. but they have a package called 'update-manager' that tells you when there are updates and allows you to apply them (might call synaptic for that part).. |
| 18:10.17 | knix | resiak, hehe >:) |
| 18:10.36 | resiak | knix: I'm serious. Have you checked it? |
| 18:10.40 | chfn | cef, ... ;~ |
| 18:10.46 | knix | resiak, :'( |
| 18:10.53 | Kiowas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.04 | resiak | knix: If there's no bug listed that describes your problem, and you can reproduce your problem, then file a bug. |
| 18:11.12 | resiak | Kiowas: It Just Works(TM) for me... |
| 18:11.28 | cef | chfn: it may end up in debian soon.. I'm no ubuntu or debian dev, so not something I can state with any authority |
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| 18:11.44 | asg | Kiowas: xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_L = Multi_key' (if you want to use the pesky left windows key) |
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| 18:11.57 | chfn | cef, hm, nice because I thought you were. |
| 18:12.10 | resiak | knix: And don't give me "How can I check the BTS with no browser?????", because you can use Links :) |
| 18:12.12 | Kiowas | asg, whats that do? |
| 18:12.17 | cef | chfn: nah I just have both and winxp installed |
| 18:12.25 | chfn | cef, ;) |
| 18:12.30 | asg | Kiowas: maps the compose key to the left Windows Key (on some keyboards at least) |
| 18:12.46 | Kiowas | asg, and what does the compose key do? |
| 18:12.53 | xoz | man Kiowas: xev, xmodmap,loadkeys |
| 18:12.55 | knix | resiak, haha, I'm using galeon :F and yes, there is a report for it, #299486 |
| 18:12.56 | kneecaps | resiak: use reportbug |
| 18:12.56 | knix | :) |
| 18:13.00 | asg | Kiowas: compose + a + ' = á |
| 18:13.11 | kneecaps | resiak: you can look at bugs for a package, without actually reporting a bug |
| 18:13.16 | Golfgeo | Hi all, after making a copy I deleted a file, yet I made a mistake and deleted the wrong file.... I'm using reiserfs and am wondering if there is some way to recover the file?? (I havn't put extra data on the partition, so it won't be overwriten that way).. |
| 18:13.28 | cef | chfn: I see part of my 'job' (not that i have an offical one) to compare the three, and report bugs against debian |
| 18:13.57 | Kiowas | asg, cool. Ill do that in the meantime. but Id rather have it where when you press ' it wont actually type it till you hit space in case what you wanted to hit is a different character and put that over it. thats how Ive always set it up before |
| 18:14.17 | asg | Kiowas: oh, ah. That I don't know. |
| 18:14.43 | Kiowas | alright. well, thats a good workaround in the meantime. thanks |
| 18:16.02 | resiak | kneecaps: Why are you telling me? I KNOW! |
| 18:16.55 | resiak | kneecaps: Maybe I should have recommended it rather than Links, but browsing the BTS lets you check related packages and stuff more easily. Whatever. Sorry for being head-bitey :) |
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| 18:17.13 | cef | so shouyld I be using an smp kernel on a P4 HT processor? |
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| 18:18.36 | asg | cef: if you wish |
| 18:18.38 | resiak | Kiowas: Look into dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. There's stuff about deadkeys in there. You may want to tell it that you have a different keyboard layout or some such. |
| 18:18.53 | cef | asg: does it improve performance? |
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| 18:18.58 | Kiowas | resiak, thanks |
| 18:19.12 | asg | cef: not that I've really seen; some reports indicate a degredation in performance. |
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| 18:19.28 | asg | cef: try it, do some benchmarks, and see for yourself. |
| 18:19.41 | cef | asg: sort of as I guessed.. yeah.. may have to do just that |
| 18:19.51 | kneecaps | resiak: lol no sweat, I just see the question and answer :D |
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| 18:20.32 | abrotman | close_to_debian: RH is not close to debian |
| 18:21.50 | w00dst0ck | hello folks. Is there a way to reinstall everything a meta package collects, instead of just reinstalling the meta package itself? |
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| 18:22.20 | resiak | abrotman: How do you figure RH? |
| 18:22.29 | abrotman | resiak: /lastlog abrotman |
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| 18:22.33 | resiak | w00dst0ck: Dare I ask what you're trying to do? |
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| 18:22.46 | resiak | abrotman: Ah, yes. ... FEAR |
| 18:22.47 | abrotman | resiak: see? |
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| 18:23.14 | w00dst0ck | resiak, I'm just having a little bit of off little bugs here and there (been playing around) and would like to reinstall all of my gnome desktop. |
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| 18:23.27 | resiak | w00dst0ck: ... have you been deleting things outside your homedir? |
| 18:23.32 | cef | abrotman: could be worse.. could be gentoo or slackware |
| 18:23.38 | w00dst0ck | resiak, nope nope. |
| 18:23.41 | resiak | cef: I would regard those as better. |
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| 18:23.48 | cef | resiak: heh |
| 18:23.49 | abrotman | cef: no .. they would support it .. RH9 isn't even supported by RH anymore :) |
| 18:23.51 | nano | I'm sitting in front of a computer which had debian experimental stuff on it. aptitude is not available and apt-get update complains unverified signatures. Any idea how to resolve this problem? |
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| 18:23.58 | w00dst0ck | resiak, i'm not new, just curious if there is a way to reinstall everything via the gnome (meta) package |
| 18:23.58 | cef | abrotman: true |
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| 18:23.59 | resiak | w00dst0ck: Then reinstalling the packages won't help. Just move your ~/.gnome* somewhere else. |
| 18:24.03 | elshaa | hi |
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| 18:24.09 | abrotman | nano: get the new key? |
| 18:24.25 | resiak | w00dst0ck: Almost certainly. Aptitude may be more helpful in this regard. |
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| 18:24.37 | nano | abrotman: How? I have really no idea what has happened, never used experimental, at a friends computer trying to fix it. |
| 18:24.38 | elshaa | how can I simply replace tabulations with blank spaces " " in a file ? |
| 18:24.48 | abrotman | nano: there was an article about it a while ago |
| 18:24.51 | w00dst0ck | resiak, Oh yeah, I remember it does that. Thank you very much, I'll go and try that one. |
| 18:24.56 | abrotman | s/\t/ /g ? |
| 18:25.09 | nano | abrotman: You remember the url or some text from the article i can google on? |
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| 18:25.17 | abrotman | nano: it was in DWN |
| 18:25.29 | elshaa | abrotman: the sed option was for me ? |
| 18:25.29 | nano | abrotman: Ok, I'll have a look. Thanks. |
| 18:25.33 | PerfDave | nano: Don't use experimental? |
| 18:25.38 | abrotman | elshaa: try it first .. |
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| 18:26.11 | abrotman | nano: but i can't remember how far back |
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| 18:26.29 | elshaa | abrotman: doesn't work |
| 18:26.33 | w00dst0ck | resiak, thank you again. that was what I was looking for. |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | elshaa: why not? |
| 18:27.42 | elshaa | heh :) I don't know, the shell doesn't return wath I want. |
| 18:27.53 | Golfgeo | gtg |
| 18:28.04 | Empty | Totally OT: Where would I go toi find out which telco controls a given (US) 800 number? |
| 18:28.16 | elshaa | but that should work with tr |
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| 18:29.10 | stew | Empty: google? |
| 18:29.10 | abrotman | elshaa: dunno .. maybe ask .. is there a #sed ... ? |
| 18:29.30 | Empty | stew: Yeah I don't know what they call that registry though |
| 18:29.47 | Empty | stew, so my stabs in google are reaping poor returns |
| 18:29.48 | elshaa | abrotman: no. But thanks anyway, the regexp works with tr |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | elshaa: ok |
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| 18:30.48 | cef | nite |
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| 18:31.28 | Niajn | excuse me, i have some files and i want to add an header to each one, is possible? |
| 18:31.30 | SuperCat1rog | hi - can anybody tell me how to allow normal users to run the poweroff command? |
| 18:31.46 | takatumi | SuperCat1rog: sudo? |
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| 18:32.11 | SuperCat1rog | takatumi - without sudo, i want them to beable to just type poweroff, and the computer to turn off |
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| 18:32.32 | SuperCat1rog | its a single user machine for somebody else and i dont want to get him into the habit of putting his root password in everywhere |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | SUID .. bad idea |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | but .. oh well |
| 18:33.09 | asg | SuperCat1rog: if it's a newer machine with ACPI, map the power button event to /sbin/shutdown |
| 18:33.11 | takatumi | SuperCat1rog: fix acpi and just get him to press the poweroff button. |
| 18:33.15 | greycat | SuperCat1rog: alias poweroff='sudo shutdown -h now' |
| 18:33.21 | resiak | SuperCat1rog: Use sudo and NOPASSWD |
| 18:33.31 | SuperCat1rog | ok thanks |
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| 18:35.22 | raf256 | wtf is with gnome? |
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| 18:35.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:35.37 | resiak | raf256: I don't know. WTF is with Gnome for you? |
| 18:35.37 | raf256 | upgrading most applications in sarge wants to REMOVE gnome packages |
| 18:35.47 | resiak | raf256: Are you using aptitude, by any chance? |
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| 18:35.56 | raf256 | resiak: apt-get, synaptic |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | eww .. synaptic |
| 18:36.10 | SuperCat1rog | hmm, can somebody tell me what to put in my sudoers file, that manpage looks like its _trying_ to confuse me |
| 18:36.11 | takatumi | raf256: check the bts. |
| 18:36.12 | abrotman | raf256: i'm running sarge. . hasn't tried to remove anything for me |
| 18:37.06 | greycat | !sudo |
| 18:37.07 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 18:37.43 | SuperCat1rog | thanks greycat |
| 18:38.57 | resiak | raf256: Well ... have you marked them for removal? |
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| 18:39.15 | raf256 | resiak: no, hey auo-marked or removal |
| 18:39.37 | raf256 | worf:~# apt-get install aspell-bin |
| 18:39.37 | raf256 | The following extra packages will be installed: aspell libaspell15 |
| 18:39.37 | raf256 | The following packages will be REMOVED: abiword-common abiword-gnome aspell-de aspell-en... |
| 18:39.55 | raf256 | and also enire "gnome" package will be removed :o ? |
| 18:40.21 | nvz | raf256: "gnome" is a metapackage, being removed because something it depends on is being removed |
| 18:40.28 | nvz | raf256: it contains no files |
| 18:40.34 | raf256 | oh.. so this is not a problem? |
| 18:40.40 | takatumi | raf256: does it happen for other packages as well? |
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| 18:40.51 | nvz | raf256: well the |
| 18:40.57 | raf256 | because once, back when I was on FedoraCore, upgrading something did removed entire OpenOffice(!) |
| 18:40.58 | nvz | "gnome" thing is not a problem |
| 18:41.17 | raf256 | takatumi: yes, half of upgradable packages wants to remove gnome |
| 18:41.29 | raf256 | this will not remove all gnome applications? |
| 18:41.31 | resiak | raf256: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:41.34 | takatumi | raf256: and abiword-* as well? |
| 18:41.36 | raf256 | debian sarge |
| 18:41.46 | raf256 | takatumi: mhm, yes |
| 18:42.11 | takatumi | raf256: you sure its sarge? |
| 18:42.17 | raf256 | takatumi: yea |
| 18:42.23 | raf256 | takatumi: how to check it by the way? |
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| 18:42.34 | resiak | raf256: How did you install Debian? |
| 18:42.38 | raf256 | in list.sources Ive got both sarge and sid, but sarge is the default |
| 18:42.43 | raf256 | resiak: net install |
| 18:42.53 | resiak | Yeah, my radar really is malfunctioning. |
| 18:42.53 | raf256 | no, Im realy shure its sarge |
| 18:42.59 | nvz | raf256: the problem is, that the libasell15 conflicts with aspell-de and -en which causes removal of abiword-common, which in turn removes abiword-gnome, which in turn removes the gnome metapackage |
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| 18:43.14 | SuperCat1rog | i put this in my sudoers file but visudo told me its invalid: adam ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/poweroff |
| 18:43.20 | spiekey | hello! |
| 18:43.20 | takatumi | raf256: /etc/apt/sources.list would confirm. |
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| 18:43.27 | raf256 | nvz: so, for me as a user, with packages will become unavailable until fix? |
| 18:43.28 | SuperCat1rog | i tried many variations but couldn't get it to work |
| 18:43.42 | nvz | raf256: so lets start with what this means to you, and why you are installing the package libaspell15 |
| 18:43.42 | spiekey | any idea where i could start to read up about suspend to ram with debian testing? |
| 18:43.42 | resiak | SuperCat1rog: man sudoers |
| 18:43.54 | SuperCat1rog | resiak - ive tried that, got me nowhere |
| 18:44.01 | resiak | SuperCat1rog: will ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown |
| 18:44.05 | resiak | SuperCat1rog: Worksforme. |
| 18:44.15 | SuperCat1rog | ok i'l try that, thanks |
| 18:44.15 | nvz | raf256: you are installing a conflicting package, one of the two conflicting sides is redundant obviously |
| 18:44.24 | resiak | SuperCat1rog: Of course, s/shutdown/poweroff/ |
| 18:44.30 | nvz | raf256: to satisfy this, I need to know what you are trying to accomplish |
| 18:44.38 | resiak | spiekey: When you find out, please tell me. |
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| 18:45.11 | raf256 | nvz: I would like to upgrade entire system |
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| 18:45.25 | raf256 | and I can use newset version of in example this aspell, |
| 18:45.25 | takatumi | heard suspend works much better in 2.6.11, haven't experimented yet. |
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| 18:45.32 | raf256 | or - I want to instal "ekg" package |
| 18:45.37 | raf256 | with also wants to remove gnome |
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| 18:45.45 | resiak | raf256: How about just upgrading then reinstalling what it took out that you need? |
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| 18:45.55 | urbanDruid | Will someone please help me get NFS working - I can't seem to get anything in /proc/fs/nfs/exports |
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| 18:45.55 | spiekey | resiak: hehe, ok |
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| 18:46.06 | takatumi | raf256: try an upgrade or a dist-upgrade |
| 18:46.09 | xarg | other than ultralinux.org where can I fnid info on debian on sparc? |
| 18:46.28 | harfooz | Hi all. I need help with connecting to a shared printer in another office. I have a fresh install of Sid with CUPS installed and have installed smbclient and samba installed. I removed the semi-colon from the lines in /etc/samba/smb.conf for load printers = yes, printing = cups, and printcap name = cups. I ran ldd /usr/sbin/smbd and see that libcups.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 is among the output. However when I try to add th |
| 18:46.29 | harfooz | e printer at http://localhost:631, smb:// is not among my choices in the Device line. What do I need to do next? (or re-do?) |
| 18:46.31 | kneecaps | why would init be dying on kernel boot with initrd? |
| 18:46.37 | raf256 | well that sucks |
| 18:46.46 | raf256 | I thought there should be no packages conflicts in sarge |
| 18:46.57 | jim | urbanDruid: nfs servers usually read /etc/exports |
| 18:46.57 | takatumi | kneecaps: isn't it ubuntu? |
| 18:47.05 | resiak | raf256: Erm, that's impossible. |
| 18:47.09 | kneecaps | takatumi: no... |
| 18:47.20 | raf256 | resiak: between official packages |
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| 18:47.34 | nvz | raf256: if you want to keep abiword-gnome you have to hold libaspell15 from being upgraded, then. because currently abiword-gnome depends on older versions of aspell dictionaries which conflict with libaspell15 |
| 18:47.40 | urbanDruid | jim, /etc/exports set up okay: /backups 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw) |
| 18:47.47 | jim | urbanDruid: nfs servers and also clients (I think) need portmapper running |
| 18:47.49 | takatumi | raf256: sarge is quite fluid since it is close to being released stable, it'll work, just play along. |
| 18:47.50 | resiak | raf256: That's impossible, as I just said. You can't have two MTAs installed, for example, so exim4 must conflict with postfix |
| 18:48.31 | nvz | actually exim4 would not conflict with postfix, it would provide a metapackage that would serve that purpose |
| 18:48.39 | jim | you restarted daemons after changing /etc/exports? |
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| 18:48.49 | resiak | nvz: Ssh, don't break my example :) |
| 18:48.49 | urbanDruid | jim, portmapper (tcp and udp) running on both machines |
| 18:48.50 | raf256 | jim: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 18:49.10 | SuperCat1rog | resiak - that worked, thanks |
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| 18:49.31 | nano | PerfDave: If you read what I said you wouldn't say something like that. |
| 18:49.31 | akusarujin | harfooz, i typically have to type it out manually (yes, it sucks) |
| 18:49.36 | urbanDruid | jim, yep - 'exportfs -ar' |
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| 18:49.40 | maw | can debian mount my freeBSD patitions? |
| 18:49.41 | jim | urbanDruid: what do logs say on the server side? |
| 18:49.43 | resiak | nvz: Erm, no :) |
| 18:49.48 | nvz | heh |
| 18:49.50 | kbrooks | i,,,/ |
| 18:49.50 | akusarujin | harfooz, i.e. smb://user:password@machine/sharedprinter |
| 18:49.54 | kbrooks | ummmmm* |
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| 18:50.20 | akusarujin | i hate printing to shared printers over samba, the configuration for it seems rather clumsy when you have a samba domain and have to enter the password in cleartext |
| 18:50.29 | jim | exportfs? hmm, never heard of that (probably doen'st mean anything... but make sure that does the restart) |
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| 18:50.38 | kbrooks | wen i try to apt kdevelop, it doesn't get it. rather, it prints a message |
| 18:50.45 | resiak | !wen |
| 18:50.54 | urbanDruid | jim, which log, should there be a /var/log/nfs or something? |
| 18:50.56 | maw | I want to convert my freeBSD fs to ext3 |
| 18:50.58 | resiak | dpkg, please be more useful. |
| 18:50.59 | maw | is that possible? |
| 18:51.09 | resiak | !wen is <REPLY> wHen!!!oneone |
| 18:51.09 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 18:51.24 | resiak | kbrooks: At this point, it's customary to actually say what the message is. |
| 18:51.28 | nano | abrotman: You remember if it was this year or from 2004? |
| 18:51.31 | kbrooks | Package kdevelop is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. However the following packages replace it: kdesdk-scripts E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate |
| 18:51.49 | abrotman | nano: for some reason i'm thinking the last 2 or three months of 2004 .. sorry i can't remember more |
| 18:51.50 | kbrooks | (minus unnesecary whitespace) |
| 18:51.52 | abrotman | resiak: do you remember the key thing? |
| 18:51.53 | resiak | kbrooks: apt-cache search kdevelop |
| 18:52.04 | resiak | abrotman: No, but I always remember my keys when I leave the house. |
| 18:52.06 | badblody | can anyone say me a program for test md5 hass without salt ? |
| 18:52.10 | badblody | hashes |
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| 18:52.16 | resiak | badblody: md5sum |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | !smack resiak |
| 18:52.38 | jim | urbanDruid, there could be a log for all the server daemons |
| 18:52.45 | nano | abrotman: Ok.. i'll dig |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | nano: google wins http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/05/ |
| 18:53.21 | urbanDruid | jim, Mar 24 18:41:53 fileserver exportfs[1779]: /etc/exports [3]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0:/backups". Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions |
| 18:53.26 | kbrooks | I'm on Debian Sid. Does it usually work? |
| 18:53.38 | abrotman | urbanDruid: you almost got it |
| 18:53.55 | resiak | kbrooks: Define "it". |
| 18:53.58 | jim | urbanDruid, so what happens when you run exportfs with no args? |
| 18:54.01 | nano | abrotman: \o/ |
| 18:54.01 | harfooz | thanks akusarujin -- I'll keep at it. I sent a request in for the ip address of theprinter. |
| 18:54.04 | kbrooks | Sid. |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | nano: see if that helps ... |
| 18:54.12 | resiak | kbrooks: If you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid. |
| 18:54.17 | resiak | !tell kbrooks -about sid faq |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | nano: it might not solve oyur problem .. but it's an idea |
| 18:54.24 | urbanDruid | jim, I get: /backups 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 18:54.29 | kbrooks | resiak, I am. |
| 18:54.46 | nano | abrotman: It's a start at least. |
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| 18:54.57 | resiak | kbrooks: I'm aware that you _are_, but you _shouldn't_ be. :) A clue for your kdevelop problem: apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 18:54.59 | jim | urbanDruid, it -looks- like you're ok, if /etc/exports does take that format |
| 18:55.08 | urbanDruid | jim, but still nothing in /proc/fs/nfs/exports |
| 18:55.10 | jim | try to mount it locally |
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| 18:55.22 | kbrooks | resiak, i already did that command ;) thanks |
| 18:56.13 | jim | if you can mount it from a machine in 192.168.1.*, it might be workin anyhow :) |
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| 18:56.35 | kbrooks | resiak, and i dont think downgrading is FEASIBLE |
| 18:56.41 | eeyore- | hmm wow. i'm impressed with luminosity :-) |
| 18:56.48 | jim | but I get the feeling abrotman thinks there's more to do |
| 18:56.51 | resiak | kbrooks: It's not. Doesn't change my point. |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | jim: about waht? |
| 18:57.06 | freddy__ | hi, I set up an FTP server following the Linux Administration Handbook but somehow when I try to connect I am prompted for a username and password, altough I made it a public anonymous FTP?! |
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| 18:57.15 | jim | lessee, what did you say before... |
| 18:57.21 | urbanDruid | jim, permission error (both machines ARE on the 192.168.1.0 net) |
| 18:57.30 | abrotman | freddy__: just use wu-ftpd .. it's insecure anyways :) |
| 18:57.35 | asg | freddy__: did you use the name 'anonymous' and your email for the password? |
| 18:57.54 | freddy__ | i left pw blank |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | freddy__: and what is your FTP client? |
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| 18:58.11 | eeyore- | freddy__: log in with username of "ftp" or "anonymous" (ftp is more likely to work) |
| 18:58.12 | jim | abrotman: ok, here it is |
| 18:58.16 | abrotman | jim: que? |
| 18:58.29 | jim | after urbanDruid said... quote... |
| 18:58.34 | freddy__ | abrotman, KBear ^^ |
| 18:58.41 | abrotman | i'm kbear/ |
| 18:58.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:58.45 | quiet | is sarge stable now?? i just did apt-get netselect-apt and stuff.. but all my sources are saying 'stable' but uname says 3.1?? |
| 18:58.50 | jim | jim, Mar 24 18:41:53 fileserver exportfs[1779]: /etc/exports [3]: No 'sync' or 'async' option specified for export "192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0:/backups". Assuming default behaviour ('sync'). NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions |
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| 18:58.58 | greycat | quiet: no, it's not |
| 18:59.05 | quiet | i didn't think so :/ |
| 18:59.33 | jim | unquote... abrotman: you said... quote... |
| 18:59.33 | resiak | quiet: Either your sources are _not_ stable sources, or uname doesn't say 3.1 :) |
| 18:59.33 | jim | urbanDruid: you almost got it |
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| 18:59.33 | abrotman | jim: what did i say? |
| 18:59.34 | jim | unquote |
| 18:59.34 | greycat | eeyore-: "ftp" is only more likely to work because it's more likely to be spelled right on the first try. |
| 18:59.37 | asg | greycat: haha |
| 18:59.40 | abrotman | jim: oh ... i thuoght he was the guy from before .. the close-to-debian guy again .. i almost smacked him :) |
| 18:59.42 | avu | if *uname* says 3.1 you're from the far future, quiet :) |
| 18:59.50 | greycat | or not on linux. |
| 18:59.52 | quiet | lol.. that's it! |
| 18:59.58 | avu | true, greycat :) |
| 19:00.05 | greycat | e.g. openbsd 3.1 was a while back |
| 19:00.12 | eeyore- | greycat: can't imagine how many times i typed in "anonymouse" |
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| 19:00.28 | greycat | eeyore-: I tend toward 'anoymous' myself |
| 19:00.28 | eeyore- | greycat: for ftp and cvs :-) |
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| 19:01.01 | freddy__ | hm, seem like there must be something wrong with the server itself, since any login fails with an authorisation error |
| 19:01.29 | poonj | hey guys, where do I add links so that it shows up in my gnome applications menu? |
| 19:01.45 | kbrooks | LOL. 3.1? wtf? sid is 3.1? i thought it was 3.2? |
| 19:01.50 | jim | abrotman: hmm... could you lend urbanDruid a hand? looks like he's got most of his nfs export working... except the mounting |
| 19:01.53 | quiet | no sarge is 3.1 |
| 19:01.58 | jerome | kbrooks: sid is nothing |
| 19:02.00 | asg | and sid, for the time being |
| 19:02.08 | kbrooks | jerome, ? |
| 19:02.09 | abrotman | jim: uhm .. |
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| 19:02.15 | jerome | err, sid is a little kid |
| 19:02.16 | urbanDruid | jim, 'rpcinfo -p 192.168.1.5' hangs when run as root - relevant? |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | jim: i wasn't paying attentnion .. i'm pretty sure i'm not the best person to be helping with nfs |
| 19:02.35 | jerome | kbrooks: sid will never be X.X, it will remain evil, forever |
| 19:02.37 | jim | ok |
| 19:02.39 | greycat | jerome: little is relative. |
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| 19:02.50 | jerome | greycat: compared to the dog |
| 19:03.10 | jim | urbanDruid: I have to go... see, you have to determine if the /etc/exports file is the right format |
| 19:03.17 | urbanDruid | jim, ta. |
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| 19:03.26 | jerome | I found out, scud was already used by some projects, making unavailable for a release name. That's sad, etch is such lame ... |
| 19:03.31 | eeyore- | i like living on the slightly more insane side ... that's why i'm ~x86 now :-) |
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| 19:03.50 | freddy__ | hm I think I got a solution but I have to look it up before I am sure........... |
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| 19:04.06 | abrotman | i like etch .. so ... |
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| 19:05.14 | eeyore- | does anybody work with busybox much? i can't get the busybox inetd applet to start telnetd properly. i checked my /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf and they are fine. the binaries are there. but for the life of me, busybox's inetd doesn't ever bind to any address |
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| 19:05.55 | jim | people are puting a lottalotta stuff in busybox... |
| 19:06.08 | kneecaps | how does one seed the PRNG? |
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| 19:06.23 | greycat | kneecaps: man srand |
| 19:06.37 | kneecaps | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:07.32 | kneecaps | greycat: i'm not coding at the moment, i'm trying to ssh :/ |
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| 19:07.43 | kneecaps | greycat: something has broken somewhere |
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| 19:08.40 | xarg | if the debian setup program says "Error while running 'modprobe -v qlogicisp'" during hardware detection where can I find out what the error actually was? I am loading via serial console on headless server. |
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| 19:09.01 | foureyes779_ | hey hey hey |
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| 19:09.11 | dvs | It's Fat Albert! |
| 19:09.16 | jim | love to play tackle? |
| 19:09.32 | foureyes779_ | heh |
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| 19:10.29 | raket | hiya dude => |
| 19:10.29 | eeyore- | kneecaps: what do you mean? |
| 19:10.50 | kneecaps | eeyore-: well ssh blah replies with 'PRNG not seeded' |
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| 19:11.13 | K-sPecial | anyone know what smbmount is under in the deb tree? |
| 19:11.20 | greycat | kneecaps: finally we're getting somewhere! |
| 19:11.31 | greycat | kneecaps: so, it sounds like a client-side problem? |
| 19:11.43 | nano | abrotman: http://lists.virus.org/debian-security-0502/msg00003.html, and now everything is working again. |
| 19:11.51 | raket | guys, i have 2 connections to the internet, but when i get ip on both nic, route wants one transit as default route, does anyone know how to use load balancing between 2 connections? yeah i've read some about zebra.(dynamic routing/BGP). but i want load balancing => |
| 19:11.55 | kneecaps | greycat: yes..because it was working before the apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:12.05 | greycat | oh, another detail emerges. |
| 19:12.06 | abrotman | nano: that link didn't work |
| 19:12.08 | zap-clone | hello |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | what, precisely, did you change? |
| 19:12.19 | abrotman | nano: nm .. stupid , |
| 19:12.27 | kneecaps | raket: most routing protocols will load balance |
| 19:12.35 | jim | usually load balancing is done on a pair of connections to the same isp |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | nano: that's quite a complicated fix :) |
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| 19:12.48 | raket | well this is 2 diffrent isps :) |
| 19:12.51 | jim | the load balancing is done both ways |
| 19:12.53 | zap-clone | does anybody have an idea if there is a libswf aware php deb? Looks to me like there is a libswf-perl which is suitable for php, too, but it seems broken in sarge |
| 19:13.04 | kneecaps | greycat: i'm not sure, I didn't notice anything relating to ssh in the upgrade |
| 19:13.16 | K-sPecial | smbmount, anyone know where it is? |
| 19:13.17 | greycat | kernel? libc? |
| 19:13.24 | greycat | libssl? |
| 19:13.32 | raket | kneecaps: like which one? |
| 19:13.43 | kneecaps | raket: BGP, OSPF, etc etc |
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| 19:14.06 | raket | heh ok :) |
| 19:14.07 | K-sPecial | got it |
| 19:14.08 | K-sPecial | thanks |
| 19:14.11 | kneecaps | greycat: kernel...but it normally works withthis kernel |
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| 19:14.23 | kneecaps | greycat: possibly libssl |
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| 19:14.29 | Mage__ | raket: with iproute2 |
| 19:15.05 | kneecaps | greycat: I dont think I have a libssl package installed.. |
| 19:15.17 | kneecaps | greycat: hmm...I don't see why it would have been removed |
| 19:15.33 | harfooz | akusarujin, you know what I was forgetting to do? restart CUPS! I was restarting Samba like a madman. |
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| 19:15.44 | raket | Mage__: do you have any url or anything about this? |
| 19:16.02 | zap-clone | what's the perlapi metapackage for? apt-cache can't find it, packages.d.o says it's a meta package for perl-base and perl-base is up to date and libswf-perl won't install due to the missing perlapi |
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| 19:16.27 | greycat | kneecaps: dpkg -l | grep libssl |
| 19:16.28 | akusarujin | harfooz, that'll do it, too |
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| 19:16.39 | akusarujin | harfooz, glad to hear it's working now |
| 19:16.39 | p88 | hi all |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | kneecaps: didn't you pay *any* attention to what apt-get did? |
| 19:16.52 | harfooz | akusarujin, thank you for the help! I really appreciate it. |
| 19:16.53 | jim | zap-clone: it keeps modules compatible with perl |
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| 19:17.02 | spiekey | hello! |
| 19:17.08 | kneecaps | greycat: yes...but none of the removals were SSL |
| 19:17.22 | abrotman | <downtrodden>hi spiekey</downtrodden> |
| 19:17.28 | greycat | kneecaps: apt-cache show ssh | grep -i depends |
| 19:17.29 | zap-clone | jim: so why doesn't apt-cache find it? |
| 19:17.31 | kneecaps | greycat: it was gstreamer-flac and things like that |
| 19:17.34 | greycat | kneecaps: did ANY of those CHANGE at ALL? |
| 19:17.36 | greycat | kneecaps: or the kernel? |
| 19:17.37 | spiekey | i only want to remove xmms, and why does debian want to remove almost my whole system? "kde kdeaddons kdenetwork kicker-applets kopete xmms" |
| 19:17.37 | jim | not sure |
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| 19:17.51 | eeyore- | i am happy. i got our samba boxes integrated into active directory |
| 19:18.13 | asg | !win eeyore- |
| 19:18.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, eeyore-! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:18.19 | eeyore- | it really wasn't hard since i let some other guy did all the hard work of figuring it out :-) |
| 19:18.27 | kneecaps | greycat: well i'm trying to get 2.6.10-k7 to boot with initrd but its not working, so im back on my normal 2.6.8 kernel |
| 19:18.28 | stew | raket: lartc.org |
| 19:18.37 | akusarujin | harfooz, glad i helped, if you run into anything else perhaps i can help with it |
| 19:18.44 | dvs | kneecaps: Is that a Debian kernel? |
| 19:19.31 | zap-clone | is there any other force option to apt-get than --force-yes? |
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| 19:19.41 | p88 | I have downloaded both woody and sarge iso images to try and install debian. Both do not work because the cd player doesn't recognize them. I have two questions: is it possible that it depends on the writing mode of the burner whether it runs on this rather old cd device and is it of any use to try the ubuntu hoary boot cd as that might work. The second question is mainly: is ubuntu cd worth a try if the debian cds don't boot? |
| 19:19.53 | dvs | zap-clone: Yes, do apt-get --force |
| 19:19.56 | quiet | i used netselect-apt without specifying 'testing' |
| 19:20.00 | zap-clone | dvs: oh :) |
| 19:20.08 | abrotman | p88: you're burning the image and not the file .. right? |
| 19:20.17 | kneecaps | dvs: yes...its the stock k7 2.6.10 |
| 19:20.22 | zap-clone | dvs: E: Command line option --force is not understood |
| 19:20.24 | zap-clone | :( |
| 19:20.29 | p88 | I am burning the iso image with iso burner |
| 19:20.32 | spiekey | how do i force to purge a package? |
| 19:20.34 | abrotman | you mean dpkg ? |
| 19:20.35 | eeyore- | p88: look on your cd ... is there a single file on the cd named <something>.iso? |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | spiekey: man dpkg |
| 19:20.39 | stew | p88: have you tried booting the cds on another machine to see if its the machine or the cds? if the cds are properly burned and the computer can boot neither, then i'd think a ubuntu cd is unlikely to work either |
| 19:20.45 | spiekey | is it not: dpkg -P --force-remove-essential xmms ? |
| 19:20.50 | p88 | eeyore-: I am not that dumb sorry... |
| 19:20.57 | eeyore- | p88: just checking |
| 19:20.57 | kneecaps | dvs: but i'm running my previous 6.8 because 6.10 is monaning about not finding pivot_root |
| 19:21.01 | abrotman | p88: don't be insulted .. lots of people do it :) |
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| 19:21.13 | eeyore- | p88: because the cd should be bootable. if it doesn't boot, your bios can't boot it |
| 19:21.15 | p88 | stew: other machines do recognized it and read the contents as it should be |
| 19:21.18 | adaran | is there any way to force installation of a package through apt-get without dependencies? |
| 19:21.29 | p88 | the bios can boot the freebsd boot cd |
| 19:21.33 | eeyore- | p88: since most linux use the same isolinux/pxelinux to boot from cd, they all work (or don't work) the same way |
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| 19:21.52 | p88 | oh |
| 19:21.56 | spiekey | anyone? |
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| 19:22.25 | p88 | so I can forget about it... |
| 19:22.50 | eeyore- | p88: you can try some other cd, maybe it'll work better :) (newer isolinux?) |
| 19:23.05 | p88 | I am downloading ubuntu hoary atm |
| 19:23.11 | abrotman | spiekey: man dpkg |
| 19:23.28 | quiet | p88, no! |
| 19:23.37 | eeyore- | p88: knoppix or gentoo's livecd should work, too |
| 19:23.52 | quiet | how do I remove appletalk?? |
| 19:23.57 | abrotman | ubuntu has a live CD |
| 19:24.01 | quiet | it takes forever to start.. and I don't even want it.. |
| 19:24.13 | p88 | knoppix or so would work better than ubuntu hoary? |
| 19:24.30 | eeyore- | p88: i haven't touched ubuntu before. can't say. |
| 19:24.40 | spiekey | abrotman: guess where i have looked in the first place?! |
| 19:25.02 | resiak | quiet: apt-get remove netatalk |
| 19:25.07 | abrotman | spiekey: no clue |
| 19:25.23 | p88 | is there a difference between livecd and installcd except for the contents? |
| 19:25.24 | quiet | thanks resiak you rock :) |
| 19:25.33 | resiak | quiet: www.whoiselmoblatch.com # Yes, I do rock. |
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| 19:25.45 | abrotman | resiak: shameless plug |
| 19:25.52 | resiak | abrotman: Hey, he said I rocked. |
| 19:26.03 | abrotman | resiak: i heard it's more of folk :) |
| 19:26.10 | p88 | is there? |
| 19:26.19 | eeyore- | p88: here's what i'm thinking ... boot a livecd (it's small, very minimal), unpack the debian installation files/scripts, make the filesystem, chroot to it and run the script |
| 19:26.30 | resiak | !wieb is <reply> Yes, resiak rocks. www.whoiselmoblatch.com |
| 19:26.30 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 19:26.33 | p88 | I will do that |
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| 19:27.15 | quiet | resiak, any pointers for the first song?? i'm downloading icarus right now |
| 19:27.19 | warty | i got a lot of cluster out of range, someone knows how to fix them |
| 19:27.20 | warty | Reclaimed 459 unused clusters (15040512 bytes). |
| 19:27.21 | warty | Free cluster summary wrong (1220979 vs. really 1218195) |
| 19:27.46 | eeyore- | warty: which fs is this? |
| 19:27.49 | resiak | quiet: Do you like lighter or heavier rocking-ness? If the former, Icarus then Festoon, then Sometimes ... If the latter, any of the others :) |
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| 19:28.03 | warty | fs? |
| 19:28.20 | quiet | generally heavier.. but if it's good lighter stuff than that' equally as great |
| 19:28.23 | spiekey | i am getting the acpi error: Could not suspend device 0000:00:03.3: error -5 --> where could i find out what error -5 means? |
| 19:28.30 | spiekey | its my sis usb controller ;/ |
| 19:28.43 | warty | eeyore- ? |
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| 19:28.57 | eeyore- | i recently activated sirius satellite radio and i'm rather disappointed. good thing i didn't have to pay for it. the music is so blah. |
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| 19:29.26 | IC-DC | resiak: who's your influences? |
| 19:29.29 | eeyore- | warty: "fs" = filesystem |
| 19:29.31 | Yaroon | Can not allocate memory? |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | first clue .. don't use webmin |
| 19:29.54 | resiak | IC-DC: We play pop-emo-metal-stuff. Go listen. |
| 19:29.54 | Active2 | good point |
| 19:29.57 | simonrvn | Yaroon: second clue: see your mem use |
| 19:29.57 | Yaroon | It's nto my server :| |
| 19:30.07 | Yaroon | free -m (has 4MB free left0 |
| 19:30.09 | asg | Yaroon: does 'free' indicate you have swap ? |
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| 19:30.12 | abrotman | so tell the idiot who owns the thing not to use webmin |
| 19:30.15 | distempr | Is there an app out there that replaces Plesk, Ensim functionality. Essentially a web hosting panel, that works in Debian? |
| 19:30.16 | Yaroon | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 19:30.17 | simonrvn | that's why |
| 19:30.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:30.20 | Yaroon | (so I guess not?) |
| 19:30.22 | eeyore- | resiak: do you play stuff like industrial, trance? |
| 19:30.26 | abrotman | Yaroon: swapon |
| 19:30.31 | asg | Yaroon: you need some swap. Did you create a swap partition during installation? |
| 19:30.43 | simonrvn | i bet that idiot didn't put any swap |
| 19:30.52 | simonrvn | (not you Yaroon) |
| 19:30.54 | Yaroon | It's not my installation. How can I check? |
| 19:30.56 | asg | simonrvn: he didn't :) 14:31 < Yaroon> Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 19:31.04 | abrotman | Yaroon: swapon .. what does it say? |
| 19:31.09 | Pappa | ay0 |
| 19:31.10 | greycat | what the *hell*? |
| 19:31.11 | asg | Yaroon: use fdisk or cfdisk to see if there is one (or swapon -a) |
| 19:31.14 | Pappa | whats up? |
| 19:31.16 | IC-DC | resiak: i'm listening, who's the singer? |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | it's not your installation, and you're fucking with it? |
| 19:31.24 | warty | eeyore-: is a fat partition |
| 19:31.25 | simonrvn | asg: i type slow and look at my kbd when i type ;) |
| 19:31.27 | Yaroon | I need to fix it. :| |
| 19:31.27 | abrotman | resiak went out |
| 19:31.29 | asg | simonrvn: hahahaha |
| 19:31.44 | greycat | Yaroon: so add some damned swap. |
| 19:31.45 | abrotman | Yaroon: paste /etc/fstab in #flood |
| 19:31.47 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 19:31.48 | eeyore- | warty: well, boot into msdos/windows and fixed the partition |
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| 19:32.10 | greycat | I'll even throw in free hints. |
| 19:32.13 | greycat | man mkswap; man swapon |
| 19:32.29 | resiak | eeyore-: No. |
| 19:32.42 | warty | can i do it from linux? eeyore-: how can i fix it from msdos/windows, i dont got no OS INSTALL it wont let me install windows |
| 19:32.43 | resiak | IC-DC: I'm some of the backing vocals and guitar. |
| 19:32.48 | eeyore- | i'm stuck with having to buy cd's :-) |
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| 19:33.25 | Yaroon | Well it seems that dev/hda5 is the swap one. 506016 blocks of swap. It's also in /etc/fstab |
| 19:33.34 | eeyore- | warty: maybe. is there dosfs-utils package or some such that you can use? there might be fsck.msdos somewhere. try that one. |
| 19:33.40 | Yaroon | I'll try to "put swap on". |
| 19:33.52 | IC-DC | resiak: sounds cool |
| 19:33.55 | eeyore- | warty: what are you doing with FAT partition under linux anyway? |
| 19:34.17 | eeyore- | Yaroon: mkswap /dev/hda5; swapon /dev/hda5; free |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | Yaroon: swapon -a says what? |
| 19:34.30 | Yaroon | swapon: /dev/hda5: Invalid argument |
| 19:34.30 | warty | im with ubuntu live-cd right now, i erase my partitions ... |
| 19:34.35 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:34.37 | Yaroon | abrotman: that's what swapon -a says |
| 19:34.38 | eeyore- | Yaroon: be *careful* with mkswap command ... if it's not a real swap partition you'll lose data ;-) |
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| 19:34.43 | abrotman | Yaroon: paste your fstab in #flood |
| 19:34.48 | greycat | invalid argument probably means it needs mkswap'ing. |
| 19:35.01 | IC-DC | resiak: you didnt tell me who's your influences (beside led :P ) |
| 19:35.04 | greycat | hopefully nobody stored files in it while he wasn't looking. |
| 19:35.23 | warty | eeyore-: if i got mounted the partition here on linux can i fix it from here? |
| 19:35.24 | kneecaps | pivot_root: no such file or dir; I get that on an initrd kernel boot, the kernel then panics after trying to kill init |
| 19:35.31 | eeyore- | warty: unmount it first |
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| 19:35.39 | eeyore- | warty: you never ever fsck a mounted partition |
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| 19:36.18 | m0p | Hello, I have a problem with a custom compiled kernel based on Debian's 2.6.8 kernel-source package. Is this the right place to ask? |
| 19:36.31 | greycat | depends on the problem. |
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| 19:37.10 | abrotman | Yaroon: all fixed up now? |
| 19:37.13 | eeyore- | kneecaps: you probably didn't have support for the initrd in question |
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| 19:37.30 | Yaroon | abrotman: seems so... |
| 19:37.35 | eeyore- | kneecaps: pivot_root is just a call to tell kernel to change / device, nothing more ... so, no initrd, no / |
| 19:37.41 | warty | eeyore-: if i got no OS install and my HD for the moment wont let me install windows what can i do, im not a windows user, but i need it for a job... then ill make the partitions to install debian once more |
| 19:37.45 | Yaroon | I still fail to see why /dev/hda5 wasn't recognized as swap anymore. |
| 19:37.54 | abrotman | Yaroon: dunno .. someone did something bad :) |
| 19:37.57 | kneecaps | eeyore-: should initrd in / be a symlink to the initrd image in /boot? |
| 19:37.59 | asg | Yaroon: did you dist upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 19:38.06 | abrotman | swapv2!! |
| 19:38.08 | eeyore- | warty: waht are you trying to do? |
| 19:38.18 | Yaroon | He installed sarge from the start. |
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| 19:38.21 | warty | i want to install w$ |
| 19:38.34 | asg | Yaroon: hmm, check /var/log/syslog to see if you get any indication as to why? |
| 19:38.42 | eeyore- | kneecaps: doesn't matter. what matters is what your bootloader does ... symlinking is just a convention. grub doesn't care. |
| 19:38.47 | eeyore- | kneecaps: for example |
| 19:38.49 | jerome | warty: then buy another disk |
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| 19:39.01 | jerome | warty: it's better, all the day. |
| 19:39.05 | jerome | way* |
| 19:39.06 | m0p | Ok, I have applied the 2.6.8.1 patch, and the ConKolivas3 2.6.8.1 patch onto the source code. I have then gone into the config and unset every device I don't have installed, enabled ext3 (my current root FS) and my SATA controller (Intel ICH) as kernel drivers instead of modules. I also set the CPU optimisation to Pentium 4 (my CPU). I then made the image with "make-kpkg kernel-image" and installed it... |
| 19:39.14 | eeyore- | kneecaps: are you loading the initrd *and* does your kernel understand the format of initrd? (is this cramfs-initrd?) |
| 19:39.27 | kneecaps | eeyore-: its the stock debian kernel |
| 19:39.36 | Yaroon | asg: Mar 24 20:34:39 mailserver kernel: Unable to find swap-space signature |
| 19:39.38 | kneecaps | eeyore-: it said after installation to setup the boot loader |
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| 19:39.51 | asg | Yaroon: ah, then mkswap never ran for some reason. |
| 19:39.56 | kneecaps | eeyore-: i did an update-grub and it generated me a new menu.lst |
| 19:39.58 | eeyore- | warty: if you're trying to install windows, why do you worry about a partition that's corrupted? you're gonna blow away its content anyway, right? |
| 19:40.10 | eeyore- | warty: so why do you care? or, is there some data you want to save? |
| 19:40.33 | eeyore- | warty: (besides, this is #debian, not #ms-support-channel) |
| 19:40.39 | greycat | asg: or the partition was overwritten after it had been run |
| 19:40.44 | greycat | or the first part... |
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| 19:40.50 | m0p | ...When I rebooted into the new kernel (named "2.6.8.1-cko3") it got to "ACPI wakeup devices" listed them then said "VFS: Cannot open root device, "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) followed by "Please append correct "root=" to boot option" and a kernel panic. |
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| 19:40.55 | asg | greycat: true |
| 19:41.00 | Yaroon | I hope not, because the mkswap probably fookered up any data on it. |
| 19:41.07 | m0p | Anyone know why this happens? |
| 19:41.10 | Yaroon | If I get an angry man on the phone very soon. Then hehe :) |
| 19:41.23 | abrotman | Yaroon: blame me .. what country are you in? |
| 19:41.30 | Yaroon | Belgium. |
| 19:41.36 | kneecaps | m0p: no support for IDE or SATA drives in kernel? |
| 19:41.41 | abrotman | yeah .. blame me |
| 19:41.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:41.41 | greycat | Yaroon: if anyone put data on the swap partition, they deserve to lose it. |
| 19:41.47 | Yaroon | greycat: yes. |
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| 19:41.56 | m0p | I have enabled my SATA and IDE controllers as kernel drivers. |
| 19:42.03 | m0p | I also tried with them as modules. |
| 19:42.08 | green_earz | m0p: lilo or grub ? |
| 19:42.10 | eeyore- | kneecaps: i always just make my menu.lst/grub.conf file by hand. its' not hard. edit it yourself to be sure :-) run "grub --no-floppy", "find /boot/grub/stage1" (or find /grub/stage1, whatever the case may be for you) and "setup (hd0)" |
| 19:42.10 | Yaroon | Thing is: I once set up this mailserver... But the guy seems to think that I am going to support it for life. |
| 19:42.13 | kneecaps | m0p: then you need to put root=/dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 19:42.13 | Yaroon | :| |
| 19:42.18 | Yaroon | Always the case with "friend's favours" :| |
| 19:42.34 | m0p | GRUB. OH, and I did put root=/dev/sda1 in the boot line. :P |
| 19:42.39 | Yaroon | It's always the same: You set something up, and it works. |
| 19:42.48 | m0p | The kernel-package image done that automaticly ;) |
| 19:42.56 | Yaroon | They break it, and call you, because it _doesn't work anymore!_ You fix it! You! |
| 19:43.00 | Yaroon | Anyway, thanks a lot. |
| 19:43.03 | asuffield | charge by the day, I do |
| 19:43.04 | xinming | anyone here can tell me which package contains the ip command? |
| 19:43.11 | bbrazil | iproute |
| 19:43.15 | asg | xinming: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:43.17 | eeyore- | Yaroon: *never* *ever* set up a computer for a friend |
| 19:43.18 | jez | if i want an app for network autoconfiguration on my laptop, is whereami the way to go or are there better options? |
| 19:43.23 | dvs | Yaroon: Sounds like my old job. |
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| 19:43.27 | m0p | So, no one can help? |
| 19:43.28 | Yaroon | It's a friend of a friend. That's even worse. |
| 19:43.30 | eeyore- | Yaroon: it's like selling a car to a friend |
| 19:43.30 | IC-DC | eeyore-: why not? |
| 19:43.39 | citral | true |
| 19:43.43 | eeyore- | Yaroon: you become the car's personal mechanic for life |
| 19:43.49 | Yaroon | I know :| |
| 19:43.59 | Yaroon | But this isn't a friend. I've never even seen the guy. |
| 19:44.05 | Yaroon | But that doesn't matter. Thanks a bunch, really. |
| 19:44.06 | asuffield | eeyore-: if you're smart, you turn it into a business :P |
| 19:44.10 | eeyore- | Yaroon: then, bugger off :-) |
| 19:44.24 | Yaroon | I just hope this swapon -a doesn't have to run every time the server boots? |
| 19:44.24 | eeyore- | asuffield: i like that "Geek Squad" :-) |
| 19:44.27 | xinming | asg: I've tried both way, |
| 19:44.32 | abrotman | Yaroon: charge him |
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| 19:44.42 | asg | xinming: and apt-file search bin/ip (didn't give you results?) |
| 19:44.43 | xinming | asg: apt-cache search ip or dpkg -S /sbin/ip |
| 19:44.45 | xinming | asg: not works |
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| 19:44.46 | Yaroon | abrotman: I should. |
| 19:44.51 | abrotman | Yaroon: yes .. you should |
| 19:44.59 | Yaroon | I charged him for the initial setup. |
| 19:45.11 | kneecaps | eeyore-: the autogenerated menu.lst looks fine afaik |
| 19:45.16 | Yaroon | But things just keep breaking, I don't get it. I never reinstalled my Debian here in over 4 years. |
| 19:45.32 | eeyore- | Yaroon: he's running a mail server and he doesn't know basic admin tasks? hmm. you'd better have things automated :-D |
| 19:45.34 | Yaroon | I know it's him doing bad stuff and being incompetent, but I can't really tell him, can I? |
| 19:45.45 | asuffield | people like that don't get shell accounts |
| 19:45.48 | abrotman | Yaroon: yes you can .. and change root |
| 19:45.49 | asg | Yaroon: yes, tell him. |
| 19:45.56 | greycat | Yaroon: why can't you? |
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| 19:46.09 | Yaroon | Because I have no spine! |
| 19:46.13 | eeyore- | put Windows and Exchange on the box ;-) |
| 19:46.17 | green_earz | m0p: one idear have you used make oldconfig for .config then stripp the driver back and custom to your needs ?? |
| 19:46.24 | asuffield | insert a four foot pole up your arse, as a substitute |
| 19:46.32 | Yaroon | I should tell him to fuck off and take his problems somewhere else. I set up the server a year ago. That was the deal. Just a setup. |
| 19:46.37 | Yaroon | No-one mentioned maintenance. |
| 19:46.40 | Yaroon | But yeah... |
| 19:46.43 | asg | xinming: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/ip |
| 19:47.03 | m0p | I used "make xconfig" to configure. |
| 19:47.18 | eeyore- | Yaroon: you know, you could keep him around to provide monthly toy budget ;-) |
| 19:47.29 | m0p | and I made the kernel with "make-kpkg kernel-image --config oldconfig" :P |
| 19:47.31 | xinming | asg: I've got the answer, thanks, I use /sbin/ip but not your "bin/ip" |
| 19:47.40 | asg | eeyore-: Monthly beer budget |
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| 19:47.47 | asg | xinming: it works either way |
| 19:47.54 | eeyore- | toy budget! it's better for your waistline |
| 19:48.02 | kneecaps | eeyore-: the kernel begins to boot, it loads all the XFS modules and things, but then it fails |
| 19:48.09 | asg | eeyore-: unless it's an automated beer fetching robot toy |
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| 19:48.20 | m0p | but I know for a fact it used my new config since the bootup messages mention Pentium 4 instructions early on which indicates it used my Pentium 4 setting, right? |
| 19:48.28 | eeyore- | hmm, that could work. better be light, non-alchoholic beer. |
| 19:48.46 | asg | eeyore-: blech |
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| 19:49.15 | green_earz | m0p: have look at using make oldconf first. so that you get the .config from a running kernel then stripp it down |
| 19:49.21 | eeyore- | asg: screw it. i can splurge. i can go for dogfish ale. |
| 19:49.31 | asg | eeyore-: hehe |
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| 19:49.42 | dvs | dogfish ale? That's doesn't sound good. |
| 19:49.44 | eeyore- | kneecaps: don't know what to tell you ... |
| 19:49.46 | m0p | But I put --config oldconfig into kpkg, that should be the same right? |
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| 19:50.00 | m0p | Ok, I will try yer suggestion. |
| 19:50.01 | eeyore- | dvs: just a brand. kick-ass beer :-) hint of chocolatty-goodness |
| 19:50.02 | kneecaps | eeyore-: okay thanks anyway |
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| 19:50.13 | eeyore- | kneecaps: sorry :-) i haven't touched xfs before |
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| 19:51.05 | distempr | Is there an app out there that replaces Plesk, Ensim functionality. Essentially a web hosting panel, that works in Debian? |
| 19:51.18 | sean_micken|work | dude.... why isn't bind at version 9.3.1 in testing? |
| 19:51.27 | greycat | distempr: ssh |
| 19:51.33 | asg | distempr: + standard tools |
| 19:51.44 | greycat | think of it as a panel with LOTS AND LOTS of buttons on it. |
| 19:51.57 | distempr | greycat: heh, I wouldn't expect any less from you :) |
| 19:51.58 | m0p | Ok, make oldconfig asks loads of questions and goes back to the shell. But menuconfig still shows the same options as before. Maybe I should cp the config from my working kernel and make the kernel with that? |
| 19:52.07 | eeyore- | greycat: haha |
| 19:52.36 | eeyore- | greycat: approximately 101 or 104 buttons right? and they can be combined in myriad ways, right? |
| 19:52.46 | greycat | eeyore-: aye |
| 19:52.48 | distempr | asg: Yeh, but webhosting clients aren't exactly ssh "worthy"... dunno |
| 19:52.51 | dvs | m0p: Yes, you should start from a working kernel. |
| 19:53.22 | asg | distempr: it depends on how you set things up. |
| 19:53.45 | asg | distempr: and also what type of clients you are trying to attract. |
| 19:53.45 | eeyore- | kbrooks: happy bday. one day closer to the grave. |
| 19:53.49 | green_earz | m0p: which kernel is running 2.4 or 2.6 and the one you what to roll 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 19:53.53 | distempr | asg: true... though... giving ssh scares me :) |
| 19:53.53 | chealer | !tell sean_micken|work about why is bind9 not in testing |
| 19:53.57 | kbrooks | eeyore-, meh |
| 19:53.57 | eeyore- | kbrooks: now, go out and enjoy while you still can. |
| 19:53.59 | distempr | asg: idiots... |
| 19:54.16 | asg | distempr: people can be chrooted, limits can be set, etc. |
| 19:54.36 | m0p | I currently use 2.6.8-2-686-smp. |
| 19:54.51 | asg | distempr: I'd suggest using kernel security patches (grsec, etc.) |
| 19:54.53 | m0p | That config should be compatible with 2.6.8.1-cko3 right? |
| 19:54.59 | distempr | Yep... though winbloze users are afraid of the keyboard. |
| 19:55.03 | eeyore- | asg: ck too? |
| 19:55.06 | m0p | (cko3 = ConKolivas patchset) |
| 19:55.27 | asg | eeyore-: if you wish, I was just being general |
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| 19:55.29 | greycat | m0p: hell no it won't be compatible. |
| 19:56.01 | dambodog | any good docs on how to custom compile my own kernel (2.6) - i've been trying to use falkotimme.com but it did not work.. |
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| 19:56.22 | m0p | :( |
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| 19:56.40 | m0p | So, what the hell am I supposed to do? |
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| 19:56.53 | dvs | dambodog: Are you trying to compile an external module? |
| 19:56.55 | green_earz | m0p: so use the /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686-smp << ? with make oldconfig as your stating point |
| 19:57.02 | svizzero | anyone knows a tool to search a string in text files? |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | strings ? |
| 19:57.10 | caphuso | svizzero: grep |
| 19:57.21 | svizzero | caphuso, with more than one textfile |
| 19:57.24 | caphuso | svizzero: grep |
| 19:57.24 | svizzero | ? |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | oh .. not even a binary file |
| 19:57.26 | asg | svizzero: grep |
| 19:57.26 | m0p | Ok, but what isn't compatible about it? |
| 19:57.31 | abrotman | grep grep grep |
| 19:57.40 | asg | svizzero: go and buy an intro book on unix basics, please. |
| 19:57.50 | svizzero | I know grep |
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| 19:57.56 | greycat | m0p: if you don't use debian kernel-sources, what you're supposed to do is start from scratch. It will take about 20 minutes to configure a kernel if you know what you're doing. More if you don't. Welcome to Linux. |
| 19:57.56 | caphuso | svizzero: no, you don't |
| 19:58.01 | svizzero | yes I do |
| 19:58.04 | caphuso | svizzero: no |
| 19:58.12 | eeyore- | svizzero: grep can look for things in multiple files |
| 19:58.14 | caphuso | because if you knew it, you wouldn't have asked that question |
| 19:58.16 | svizzero | but there was another program |
| 19:58.17 | asg | svizzero: if you did, you wouldn't have asked that question |
| 19:58.21 | svizzero | faster |
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| 19:58.28 | caphuso | svizzero: no, there isn't |
| 19:58.38 | svizzero | are you sure?.. |
| 19:58.45 | caphuso | damn cluebies |
| 19:58.47 | eeyore- | svizzero: i can sell you one |
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| 19:58.53 | greycat | maybe he's thinking of fgrep |
| 19:59.00 | green_earz | m0p: with make oldconfig you can stripp it back as your need. and as i said it give you a starting point |
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| 19:59.03 | caphuso | fgrep isn't faster |
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| 19:59.13 | greycat | I didn't say it was faster :) |
| 19:59.18 | m0p | Ok, anyone know any guides to configuring a kernel? My technique was to just remove debugging options and any options that say "if unsure say N", then disable modules/drivers for hardware I don't have. I did "make oldconfig". It didn't do anything. |
| 19:59.23 | eeyore- | but fgrep is grep in the GNU environment |
| 19:59.35 | caphuso | well, maybe marginally, but i doubt that you'll ever see the difference |
| 19:59.37 | asg | greycat: it's a shell script on my box that calls grep -F |
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| 19:59.53 | takatumi | m0p: would a packaged kernel-image from sid do? |
| 19:59.57 | dvs | m0p: I'm not sure about the "if unsure say N" part |
| 20:00.10 | asg | !pubtime |
| 20:00.11 | dpkg | it has been said that pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 20:00.20 | citral | if unsure, say no. |
| 20:00.29 | eeyore- | asg: go imbibe! |
| 20:00.59 | eeyore- | asg: you don't have to rush to beat any pub closing time, right? |
| 20:01.06 | m0p | Ok, I've ran "make oldconfig" with the config from the working kernel. And takatumi, I wouldn't feel comfortable using anything from Sid. Unless it works "properly" and isn't buggy. |
| 20:01.09 | green_earz | m0p: reason is you did not copy the config from boot to /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 20:01.13 | dvs | citral: No, I mean I'm not sure that it's a good idea to turn off any option that says "if unsure, say N" |
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| 20:01.33 | caphuso | eeyore-: of course not. pubs close when asg leaves, and not before :) |
| 20:01.36 | greycat | just use a debian kernel-image already. |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | sheesh. |
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| 20:02.04 | eeyore- | m0p: dude ... you're overreacting |
| 20:02.04 | m0p | So, now I should "make config/menuconfig/xconfig"? |
| 20:02.26 | takatumi | m0p: or get a source from kernel.org and start from there, the ck patches might not work on debian kernel-sources. |
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| 20:02.35 | citral | dvs: well, I'd trust the maintainers if I were you. I mean if you don't have any clue, do what they say |
| 20:02.35 | m0p | Oh. K. |
| 20:02.37 | eeyore- | m0p: secondly, you would have been OK if you just took "make menuconfig" like a man and go through all the options once. save the .config somewhere safe (like in /boot) and re-use that in the future |
| 20:03.08 | dvs | m0p: patches are usually specific to a particular kernel source code |
| 20:03.12 | greycat | takatumi: my god... he didn't even apply the *patch* right? |
| 20:03.13 | eeyore- | m0p: thirdly, why are you futzing with CK patch if you're afraid? |
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| 20:03.35 | tarzeau | kbrooks: did i say i don't like apache2 ? |
| 20:03.45 | kbrooks | LOL. No. |
| 20:03.46 | takatumi | greycat: "22:39:16 m0p | Ok, I have applied the 2.6.8.1 patch, and the ConKolivas3 2.6.8.1 patch" |
| 20:03.47 | greycat | kbrooks: I'll say it, though. |
| 20:03.55 | kbrooks | Why don't you like it? |
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| 20:04.03 | greycat | takatumi: hmmm.. applied it *to what*? |
| 20:04.09 | pientra | kbrooks: too many security exploits compared to apache |
| 20:04.11 | eeyore- | m0p: and, lastly (i hope), by the time the patch is released to the public, it will have gone through many many people who would have found many many bugs that the chance of you finding a new bug would be exceedingly small |
| 20:04.14 | mikeeei | hello |
| 20:04.17 | greycat | kbrooks: 1) evil license, 2) more complex for no benefit, 3) causes problems |
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| 20:04.20 | m0p | Do the Debian patches really add anything useful? Or would it be much better to use the official Linux source and patch that? And yes, I did patch it. I "bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.8.1.bz2 | patch -p1"'ed for both patches. |
| 20:04.21 | takatumi | greycat: I am presuming a debian kernel-source |
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| 20:04.33 | kbrooks | greycat, "evil license"? |
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| 20:04.39 | greycat | !tell m0p about kernel of instability |
| 20:04.49 | m0p | greycat, I used the kernel-source-2.6.8 package to patch upon. |
| 20:04.53 | greycat | jesus. |
| 20:05.05 | eeyore- | !tell me about kernel of instability |
| 20:05.08 | kbrooks | oh, FUCK |
| 20:05.23 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.31 | eeyore- | that's a little insane :-) |
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| 20:05.46 | greycat | awww, that poor little bit |
| 20:05.48 | stew | m0p: kernel-source-2.6.8 *is* 2.6.8.1 |
| 20:05.52 | henca | !tell me about kernel of instability |
| 20:05.55 | m0p | Ok, lookin at those links now greycat. |
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| 20:06.04 | takatumi | m0p: if sata is your problem, just get a .10 from sid, or try d-i rc3, heard the sata issue might have been taken care of. |
| 20:06.07 | greycat | stew: with patches. |
| 20:06.10 | stew | yeah |
| 20:06.16 | sbalneav | !tell me about kernel of instability |
| 20:06.27 | stew | greycat: i'm just saying, applying patch-2.6.8.1.bz2 against it is kinda silly |
| 20:06.27 | citral | !tell them all about /msg dpkg |
| 20:06.37 | greycat | stew: quite |
| 20:06.45 | m0p | stew, I thought so. It said stuff like "sources may have already been patched" while patching with the 2.6.8.1. |
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| 20:07.01 | greycat | m0p: .... |
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| 20:07.12 | eeyore- | m0p: just go throught the *.rej files by hand and applying (or not) each rejected hunk |
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| 20:07.22 | eeyore- | m0p: it's not hard, just tedious |
| 20:07.26 | greycat | m0p: at what point did it occur to you that you may be messing with things you shouldn't oughtta be messin' with? |
| 20:07.46 | greycat | and more importantly, WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN? |
| 20:07.52 | takatumi | heh |
| 20:07.54 | kbrooks | listen to? |
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| 20:07.58 | greycat | to yourself |
| 20:08.26 | m0p | hmm, is the Sid .10 suitable, or is it (as it's name suggests) unstable? And don't get pissed at me, it's not my fault I'm the noobiest person here, is it? |
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| 20:08.43 | greycat | if you're a self-professed newbie, you should not be using sid. |
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| 20:09.08 | dvs | and you shouldn't be patching kernels |
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| 20:09.13 | YessSssSss | hello |
| 20:09.14 | beth | the first step is admitting you are a newbie. |
| 20:09.16 | YessSssSss | i got an issue |
| 20:09.20 | YessSssSss | my cron doesn't work |
| 20:09.20 | m0p | Thankyou, but you didn't answer my question, is it suitable for daily use (gaming, music etc etc)? |
| 20:09.23 | greycat | !newb |
| 20:09.23 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:09.26 | kbrooks | m0p, you should not be using sid because it BREAKS. the toy that breaks other toys is named sid in toy story |
| 20:09.29 | YessSssSss | i have placed a cron into a user and it doesnt run |
| 20:09.30 | dvs | nano: newbies anonymous |
| 20:09.34 | YessSssSss | set it run every 5 mins |
| 20:09.39 | takatumi | m0p: no need to run sid, download kernel-image-2.6.10 from packages.debian.org, you might not have to fiddle with patches at all. |
| 20:09.43 | kbrooks | m0p, do you understand the analogy? |
| 20:09.44 | dvs | Hey! I didn't right "nano" |
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| 20:09.49 | citral | newbie or not, there are really FEW situations one wants to patch a kernel |
| 20:09.58 | greycat | dvs: then fix your client |
| 20:10.09 | kbrooks | m0p, no, sid is not suitable for daily use |
| 20:10.10 | m0p | kbrooks, yeah, I've seen toy story a coupla times. :P |
| 20:10.11 | Phated | kbrooks: It was a boy, actually. |
| 20:10.24 | takatumi | !phatedsmite Phated |
| 20:10.25 | m0p | I meant the kernel, not the distribution. |
| 20:10.25 | kbrooks | Phated, a boy? |
| 20:10.29 | abrotman | YessSssSss: what's the name of the file .. and change your damn nick |
| 20:10.31 | Phated | kbrooks: As in human boy. |
| 20:10.33 | eeyore- | m0p: i've used sid for a long time, now i use gentoo ~x86. i'm the last guy on earth you should ask about whether or not bleeding edge stuff is "suitable for daily use" |
| 20:10.37 | Phated | kbrooks: ie, not a toy. |
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| 20:10.48 | dvs | not buoy? |
| 20:10.54 | tarzeau | eeyore-: you don't use debian anymore? |
| 20:10.56 | YessSssSss | abrotman it's a simple file called start |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | no errors? |
| 20:11.06 | takatumi | eeyore-: I got tired of gentoo. |
| 20:11.07 | YessSssSss | no errors |
| 20:11.12 | m0p | I need daily usability AND speed. Not just plain usability :P |
| 20:11.13 | YessSssSss | i can run it with ./start |
| 20:11.18 | YessSssSss | but crontab does not run |
| 20:11.23 | YessSssSss | not executs anything |
| 20:11.24 | eeyore- | tarzeau: there's like one machine left that's sid :-) |
| 20:11.28 | citral | !nicks that suck |
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| 20:11.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nicks that suck is foo*666, gothic*bar, n00b*thing and any H4CK*bleh. Also any nick containing (and specially beginning with) ^ | or [ is lame. |
| 20:11.31 | kbrooks | m0p, then sid is NOT for you |
| 20:11.41 | m0p | YessSssSss, did you "chmod +x start"? |
| 20:11.48 | YessSssSss | yea |
| 20:11.50 | YessSssSss | i did |
| 20:11.56 | YessSssSss | as long as i can run it as ./start |
| 20:11.58 | YessSssSss | and it runs |
| 20:12.03 | abrotman | as root or the user? |
| 20:12.06 | m0p | Then what do you recommend? I wanna try something different. |
| 20:12.07 | mikeeei | after installing woody, do you guys upgrade your system to a "testing" distribution, or do you go for unstable? |
| 20:12.08 | xam | !enter |
| 20:12.08 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 20:12.14 | YessSssSss | user |
| 20:12.18 | kbrooks | m0p, sarge |
| 20:12.19 | tarzeau | m0p: try gnu/kfreebsd or hurd |
| 20:12.23 | abrotman | YessSssSss: change your nick |
| 20:12.30 | tarzeau | m0p: or gnustep |
| 20:12.34 | xam | YessSssSss: you have to specify the *full path* if you place it in crontab |
| 20:12.34 | takatumi | m0p: learn to roll your own kernel, will stand you good in the long run. |
| 20:12.35 | eeyore- | bbl, lunch |
| 20:12.38 | kbrooks | m0p, i use sid, but that doesnt mean i am recommending it to you |
| 20:12.39 | abrotman | i guess that will work :) |
| 20:12.40 | dvs | mikeeei: testing, since it will become stable "real soon" |
| 20:12.45 | thereyougo | xam did that |
| 20:12.46 | m0p | I already use Sarge, kbrooks. |
| 20:12.56 | stew | <YessSssSss> i have placed a cron into a user... <-- what does this mean? |
| 20:13.02 | kbrooks | tarzeau, cut! |
| 20:13.04 | abrotman | thereyougo: wait .. start is the name of the script? |
| 20:13.09 | citral | !reduce YessSssSss/thereyougo lameness |
| 20:13.09 | dpkg | congratulations, YessSssSss/thereyougo, you are only 98.965% lame! |
| 20:13.17 | abrotman | thereyougo: how did you enter it in the crontab? .. or cron.daily or whatever? |
| 20:13.20 | thereyougo | it's the file name |
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| 20:13.24 | kbrooks | !reduce abrotman lameness |
| 20:13.24 | dpkg | congratulations, abrotman, you are only 99.987% lame! |
| 20:13.34 | abrotman | kbrooks: i'm crying |
| 20:13.35 | kbrooks | :P |
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| 20:13.43 | kbrooks | i'm joking |
| 20:13.46 | kbrooks | sorry. |
| 20:13.53 | abrotman | kbrooks: no you're not |
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| 20:14.02 | kbrooks | yes i am |
| 20:14.02 | Phated | *stabbitystabstab* ? |
| 20:14.03 | takatumi | !pal abrotman |
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| 20:14.06 | m0p | Hmm, so do you suggest I learn how to make a custom kernel? |
| 20:14.09 | kbrooks | nick completion |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | !suicide |
| 20:14.14 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:14.15 | mikeeei | why doesn't apt handle all the dependeicies for a package? for example, if i am installing a problem, it would say that it depends on package X, and i would have to do apt install X manually. |
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| 20:14.27 | abrotman | mikeeei: it's supposed to |
| 20:14.28 | greycat | m0p: no. use a debian kernel-image. |
| 20:14.41 | kbrooks | m0p, use a kernel image instead |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | ugh. |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | !seen mikeeusa |
| 20:14.56 | dpkg | mikeeusa <~morph@ool-18be39f5.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21d 17h 53m 28s ago, saying: '!ops abrotman stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS either... at all'. |
| 20:15.00 | brownjava | does anyone know where I can find documentation about doing a manual install of debian from within an existing debian install? |
| 20:15.00 | m0p | I have only compiled a kernel once when I was installing my graphics drivers, and that was painful enough. And by the way, what kernel image do you recommend I use? |
| 20:15.04 | greycat | yeah, definitely him. |
| 20:15.16 | takatumi | oh yeah I remember him. |
| 20:15.31 | tarzeau | brownjava: look at crosshurd |
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| 20:15.33 | Phated | Hard to forget a guy like that. |
| 20:15.36 | tarzeau | brownjava: or debootstrap |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | Phated: quite. Have you ever seen some of his *heavier* trolling? |
| 20:16.04 | greycat | Phated: he goes into #freenet and talks about killing women's-rights advocates and so on. |
| 20:16.08 | brownjava | tarzeau: thanks, I'll check those out |
| 20:16.17 | tarzeau | brownjava: but why? |
| 20:16.24 | dvs | That was the guy who types "enter enter enter enter..." when we told him/her to stop typing enter so much? |
| 20:16.27 | kbrooks | who is trolling? |
| 20:16.30 | Phated | greycat: Mymy, I tremble in my keds. |
| 20:16.40 | citral | mummy! |
| 20:16.50 | kbrooks | who is trolling? |
| 20:17.01 | greycat | kbrooks: we'll find out. |
| 20:17.10 | streuner | !tell kbrooks about repeat |
| 20:17.37 | kbrooks | yes sire |
| 20:17.58 | brownjava | tarzeau: I'm trying to install debian to a CF card |
| 20:18.01 | streuner | there aren't any sirs here |
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| 20:18.08 | streuner | we are humans |
| 20:18.11 | brownjava | tarzeau: which I want to turn around and boot to on an embedded system |
| 20:18.13 | citral | "apt is installing dependencies I don't want! that sucks!!!" </troll> |
| 20:18.29 | greycat | streuner: he said sire, which means father |
| 20:18.31 | Phated | Go use rpm, then. Shoo now. :) |
| 20:18.34 | tarzeau | brownjava: how much space do you have on it? |
| 20:18.40 | citral | :) |
| 20:18.54 | streuner | greycat: iam not his father either |
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| 20:19.20 | takatumi | we need to see DNA tests!?! |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | if he's one of my kids in disguise, he needs to go do his homework |
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| 20:19.31 | brownjava | tarzeau: it's a 1GB CF card, but I am trying to keep the base distro below 256 MB |
| 20:19.38 | Phated | Oh, quit whining about it, if you didn't want to be addressed, you shouldn't have !told him about repeat. :) |
| 20:19.43 | tarzeau | brownjava: that should be easy |
| 20:19.46 | brownjava | tarzeau: I have some weird requirements though, like I need to have mysql installed and a JVM |
| 20:19.57 | tarzeau | brownjava: jvm???? |
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| 20:20.13 | tarzeau | but why? for what? embedded system? |
| 20:20.19 | brownjava | tarzeau: yeah, don't ask...I need to support some existing software that someone thought would be nice to write in Java |
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| 20:20.32 | brownjava | tarzeau: it's somewhere between embedded and a desktop...a pc104 system |
| 20:20.32 | greycat | !pal brownjava |
| 20:20.35 | tarzeau | brownjava: what does that existing software do? |
| 20:20.47 | greycat | tarzeau: besides suck? :) |
| 20:20.56 | brownjava | tarzeau: I'm not totally sure...I just know I have to support it :) |
| 20:20.56 | tarzeau | greycat: maybe it plays music or so |
| 20:21.06 | brownjava | tarzeau: it probably does Java-y things |
| 20:21.14 | Phated | mpg321/ogg123...? |
| 20:21.30 | tarzeau | Phated: now there's http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
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| 20:21.37 | Phated | And so on. |
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| 20:22.47 | takatumi | dpkg: pebkac is also http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | takatumi: okay |
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| 20:23.44 | warty | can the clusters out of range be fix ? |
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| 20:27.15 | abrotman | greycat: what did i do? |
| 20:27.45 | takatumi | abrotman: what did you do? |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | takatumi: dunon .. i dinged .. |
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| 20:28.16 | takatumi | !dict dinged |
| 20:28.25 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dinged' (3): Ding \Ding\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Dinged, Dang (Obs.), or Dung (Obs.); p. pr. & vb. n. Dinging.] [OE. dingen, dengen; akin to AS. dencgan to knock, Icel. dengja to beat, hammer, Sw. d["a]nga, G. dengeln.] 1. To dash; to throw violently. [Obs.] ;; 2. To cause to sound or ring. ;; To ding the book a coit's distance from him. --Milton.. |
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| 20:29.28 | abrotman | Pokey! |
| 20:29.43 | usuario | !music server |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | !tell usuario about search |
| 20:30.54 | shakparl | anyone using nagios to monitor snmp traps on windows servers? |
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| 20:31.57 | poonj | hey guys.. |
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| 20:32.09 | Active2 | hi girls... ;) |
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| 20:32.12 | yacoob | greetings. |
| 20:32.29 | yacoob | How one should modify /etc/mailcap, systemwide in debian-wise way? |
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| 20:32.56 | poonj | what is a good monitor to get to use with linux? |
| 20:33.00 | poonj | anyone works? |
| 20:33.20 | yacoob | poonj: monitor as 'thing that display things'? :> Then any modern will do. |
| 20:33.32 | takatumi | poonj: get a 50" plasma. |
| 20:33.44 | yacoob | takatumi: you forgot 'for me' :> |
| 20:33.46 | keta | and another for me |
| 20:33.47 | kbrooks|bzflag | I think my hard drive made sounds. Weird sounds. |
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| 20:34.02 | kbrooks|bzflag | In the morning. |
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| 20:34.15 | Phated | It's shaving. |
| 20:34.25 | kbrooks|bzflag | How do I check to see if it is about to die? |
| 20:34.25 | takatumi | kbrooks|bzflag: probably the morning crap unload. |
| 20:34.33 | keta | kbrooks|bzflag: check it weasn't a nightmare with badblocks |
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| 20:34.45 | keta | if it wasn't* |
| 20:34.50 | kbrooks|bzflag | cut the crap |
| 20:35.04 | kbrooks|bzflag | tell me the true and truth told truth |
| 20:35.12 | keta | man badblocks |
| 20:35.19 | dieguito | hello, im installing jadetex 3.13-3 and im getting: /usr/bin/ucf: line 55: debconf-loadtemplates: command not found, i dont know where to find debconf-loadtemplates. any idea? |
| 20:35.21 | Phated | Maybe it was just, like, coming back out of suspend mode or something? |
| 20:35.30 | kbrooks|bzflag | Phated, no. |
| 20:35.39 | Phated | <shrug> What they said, then. |
| 20:35.39 | kbrooks|bzflag | Phated, It was booting. |
| 20:35.44 | Active2 | kbrooks|bzflag: look for Drive Ready Seek complete errors in syslog / messages or kern.log |
| 20:35.50 | kbrooks|bzflag | (my comp) |
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| 20:36.42 | dsd | hi everybody |
| 20:36.49 | dsd | does someone of you know a good unrar-tool? |
| 20:36.56 | dambodog | any good docs on how to custom compile my own kernel (2.6) - i've been trying to use falkotimme.com but it did not work.. |
| 20:37.01 | kbrooks|bzflag | Active2, kyle@kyle:~$ cat /var/log/messages | grep -i 'drive ready seek complete' |
| 20:37.02 | kbrooks|bzflag | kyle@kyle:~$ |
| 20:37.02 | Active2 | dsd: unrar ? :P |
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| 20:37.12 | keta | dsd: there's unrar, but it's non-free |
| 20:37.20 | dsd | Active2: Does not work properly. |
| 20:37.23 | Active2 | kbrooks|bzflag: i don't know the exact error look for ready and seek ;) |
| 20:37.31 | Phated | dsd: unrar-nonfree. |
| 20:37.33 | dsd | keta: Where can i get the non free version? |
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| 20:38.12 | takatumi | dambodog: where are you getting stuck? |
| 20:38.33 | keta | dsd: add non-free statement to each sources.list end of line and then apt-get update |
| 20:38.34 | Active2 | dambodog: euh make menuconfig and use kernel-package to build the debian kernel ? |
| 20:38.39 | Active2 | i thought it isn't that difficult |
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| 20:39.50 | l3m | i have a weird problem. whenever i try to ls my home directory ( or traverse it in konqueror or so ), i have to wait for about 10-30 seconds before there is any response....any other directory works fine, also subdirectory in my home....any ideas ? |
| 20:40.03 | dsd | keta: thx. |
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| 20:40.17 | dieguito | hello, im installing jadetex 3.13-3 and im getting: /usr/bin/ucf: line 55: debconf-loadtemplates: command not found, i dont know where to find debconf-loadtemplates. any idea? |
| 20:40.33 | jez | l3m: is your /home mounted on a separate partition or even a separate drive to your other stuff? |
| 20:41.00 | l3m | jez: it's on the root partition |
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| 20:41.12 | l3m | jez: it's a laptop, it has only one hd |
| 20:41.42 | michal_ | i'm having a problem with access to a machine that is behind 2 NATing routers.. the machine connected directly to the NAT has the ip of the second router as DMZ and the second router has the IP of the machine I want to access off the net as its DMZ.. should this work and pass all external connections to the final target machine? |
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| 20:41.56 | dsd | what the heck are .mpc-files? |
| 20:42.00 | jez | l3m: no idea really, but maybe it started when you put a paricular file in there or somthing? not sure what could cause it though. |
| 20:42.15 | caphuso | dsd: what does file(1) say? |
| 20:42.15 | yacoob | dsd: run 'file' on them |
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| 20:42.46 | dsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.54 | l3m | jez: well, i noticed it the first time after i ran prelink... but prelink didn't access any files in my home dir |
| 20:42.59 | dsd | That's the only thing 'file' says. |
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| 20:43.35 | nOp | l3m: perhap's you have some bad sectors... |
| 20:43.40 | jez | l3m: don't think i can help you, sorry |
| 20:44.14 | jez | l3m: only thing i can think is something physically wrong with the drive |
| 20:44.23 | l3m | jez: ok, thanks for trying! ;) |
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| 20:47.26 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 20:47.33 | poonj | for QT, what is the package name? |
| 20:47.38 | poonj | qt3? |
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| 20:47.44 | l3m | libqt3 i think |
| 20:47.47 | greycat | apt-cache search -- lib qt -dev |
| 20:47.58 | greycat | l3m: you should KNOW by now that he wants a -dev. |
| 20:47.59 | poonj | thanks! |
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| 20:48.41 | l3m | greycat: well i didn't :/ |
| 20:49.00 | greycat | Any time a newbie asks for a library, it's because he's trying to compile something. |
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| 20:49.27 | greycat | Of course, they NEVER EVER EVER in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF #DEBIAN tell you what they're doing, or what error they're getting, or why. |
| 20:50.04 | l3m | greycat: ok, i'll try to remember. thanks |
| 20:50.25 | abrotman | greycat: i saw it once .. it was on a sunday |
| 20:50.27 | riddley | when creating my own (for my use) debian packages, what's the easiest way to avoid changing permissions on existing system directories (like /usr and whatnot) |
| 20:50.32 | Nula | how do I make "hdparm -d1 /dev/hd*" to stick on a device permanently???? |
| 20:50.35 | greycat | abrotman: you must have been drunk |
| 20:50.44 | abrotman | greycat: c'est possible |
| 20:51.02 | stew | if you really feel like it you could ask what he was compiling and tell him how to find the debian package that already exists or how to run apt-get build-dep |
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| 20:51.33 | greycat | stew: getting them to admit what they're trying to compile is usually more trouble than it's worth. |
| 20:51.34 | stew | but i don't feel like it ;) |
| 20:51.39 | greycat | for some reason they feel it's a deep secret |
| 20:51.45 | takatumi | poonj: spill it dude. |
| 20:52.12 | stew | greycat: beucase if they tell us we might *gasp* be able to help |
| 20:52.21 | Curtman | Someone named 'Payta' in spamming with onjoins in here. |
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| 20:53.04 | Curtman | caphuso: Thanks.. :) |
| 20:53.10 | takatumi | conjoined pineapple spammers. |
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| 20:53.28 | l3m | Nula: /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 20:53.55 | dieguito | i think i found an error in jadetex package (i achieved to install it) where do i report it? |
| 20:54.06 | tarzeau | dieguito: bugs.debian.org/jadetex |
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| 20:54.43 | gasper | hi |
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| 20:55.44 | gasper | i have a problem, when i run X with startx command, gnome opens, how can i do to enter with kde_ |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | it seems to me .. restore is much faster than on the sun box i used it on last |
| 20:56.01 | tarzeau | gasper: edit ~/.xsession |
| 20:56.05 | tosh| | gasper edit your xsession file |
| 20:56.13 | tosh| | mm |
| 20:56.21 | tosh| | isn't rpm2cpio in the apt tree? |
| 20:56.24 | POVaddct | tosh|: .xinitrc when using startx |
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| 20:56.32 | tosh| | POVaddct noted :) |
| 20:56.49 | POVaddct | tosh|: .xsession is only used by xdm/kdm login |
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| 20:57.08 | gasper | tarzeau what have i got to write in |
| 20:57.14 | badger001 | For kde put "startkde" in ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:57.18 | tarzeau | POVaddct: read man startx about .xinitrc/.xsession please |
| 20:57.25 | badger001 | For Gnome put "gnome-session" in ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:57.26 | stew | tosh|: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:57.29 | tarzeau | gasper: for kde, i have no idea, every normal other thing, is exec whatever |
| 20:57.30 | gasper | thk >( |
| 20:58.08 | tarzeau | gasper: last chance. you really want kde? |
| 20:58.13 | gasper | i go to try |
| 20:58.16 | gasper | thk |
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| 20:58.48 | tosh| | stew I know how to use apt-search, but its not in there |
| 20:59.00 | tosh| | stew I was just looking for conformation that it wasn't in the tree |
| 20:59.04 | stew | tosh|: use apt-file, or /msg dpkg find rpm2cpio |
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| 20:59.14 | stew | tosh|: it is there |
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| 20:59.29 | stew | tosh|: what is apt-search? |
| 20:59.32 | stew | nm |
| 21:00.03 | abrotman | confirmation |
| 21:00.53 | tosh| | stew I meant apt-cache |
| 21:00.56 | tosh| | god I'm tired |
| 21:01.15 | stew | tosh|: well /msg dpkg search would tell you at least 3 methods that would tell you how to find rpm2cpio |
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| 21:01.39 | alcorrr | hi all |
| 21:01.53 | alcorrr | how cna i fix exim4 start, stop or reload from hanging? |
| 21:02.15 | tosh| | stew thank you, but those didn't turn up with anything either |
| 21:02.28 | stew | *sigh* |
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| 21:02.32 | asg | alcorrr: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (choose the dns option that results in fewer immediate lookups.) |
| 21:02.32 | stew | you are lying |
| 21:02.36 | stew | you didn't try them all |
| 21:02.40 | tosh| | alcorrr fix the problem why it is hanging? try bash -x /etc/init.d/exim start |
| 21:02.40 | stew | !find rpm2cpio |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rpm2cpio' (1): (/usr/bin/rpm2cpio, /usr/lib/rpm/rpm2cpio.sh) in admin/rpm. |
| 21:02.53 | asg | alcorrr: or fix your local resolver configuration |
| 21:02.59 | alcorrr | ah.. |
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| 21:03.02 | alcorrr | thanks all |
| 21:03.04 | tosh| | stew I was looking on packages.debian.org |
| 21:03.20 | raket | ÖLKÖLK |
| 21:03.24 | stew | tosh|: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=rpm2cpio |
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| 21:03.28 | quiet | what is the tool called that automatically clears the cnsole screen when you log out? |
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| 21:03.35 | greycat | quiet: red hat. |
| 21:03.41 | quiet | noo |
| 21:03.42 | stew | tosh|: apt-file search rpm2cpio |
| 21:03.43 | greycat | and yes, it's a "tool" (in the sense of "penis") |
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| 21:03.59 | asg | quiet: put 'clear' in your shell's logout dotfile |
| 21:04.00 | usuario | I've made changes to my exports, hosts.deny, hosts.allow, how do I restart all my nfs services without rebooting the computer? |
| 21:04.00 | stew | quiet: put clear in .bash_logout |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | quiet: if you want to be a tool too, echo tput clear >> ~/.bash_logout |
| 21:04.22 | dambodog | Active2, should i download the kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 21:04.41 | dambodog | ? |
| 21:04.44 | asg | greycat: same reason there is /sbin/kernelversion |
| 21:04.49 | quiet | is this a new file? |
| 21:04.54 | greycat | quiet: you tell us. |
| 21:05.00 | tosh| | stew it doesn't return anything |
| 21:05.07 | greycat | no better yet, don't tell us; we don't really care |
| 21:05.17 | stew | tosh|: what doesn't? that pdo url? |
| 21:05.25 | quiet | dude.. why are you so grumpy? |
| 21:05.25 | tosh| | stew apt-file |
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| 21:05.38 | greycat | quiet: too many stupid questions |
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| 21:05.53 | stew | tosh|: apt-file update |
| 21:05.56 | Active2 | dambodog: euh euh you want to compile your own kernel ? or just install a kernel ? |
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| 21:06.15 | quiet | greycat, my appologies |
| 21:06.16 | tosh| | greycat thats the reason they split up #linux and #linuxhelp I think |
| 21:06.19 | asg | usuario: look in /etc/init.d/ for nfs-server, nfs*, etc. Restart those. |
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| 21:06.49 | asg | tosh|: we do have ##debian for touch-feely-non-grumpy debian support |
| 21:07.03 | tarzeau | there's #debian-friendly |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | ooh, a 25% increase since the last time I checked. |
| 21:07.10 | greycat | they're up to 5 now |
| 21:07.10 | asg | greycat: 6? |
| 21:07.13 | tosh| | this is #debian-unfriendly then? |
| 21:07.14 | stew | hah |
| 21:07.18 | goron | I am not familiar with the AGP 3.0 spec. My question: does an old AGP 1x work on a motherboard that supports AGP 3.0? |
| 21:07.25 | asg | tosh|: no, this is, and has always been, #debian |
| 21:07.26 | dambodog | takatumi, well, i've tried to download from kernel.org the kernel-2.6.11.5.tar.gz, extracted it, then > make menuconfig > make clean > make bzImage> make modules modules_install > cp the bzImage over to /boot > cp the system.map over to /boot > modify grub in the menu.lst > reboot. .. my error was in mounting root=/dev/sda1 did not work |
| 21:07.32 | tosh| | asg just checking ;) |
| 21:07.40 | greycat | tarzeau: -friendly seems to have morphed into ##debian |
| 21:07.54 | tarzeau | aha |
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| 21:07.57 | dambodog | Active2, i want to compile my own. look at what i just sent takatumi |
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| 21:08.08 | Active2 | dambodog: yeah i want to react on that ;) |
| 21:08.13 | tosh| | stew got it, thnx |
| 21:08.13 | usuario | How do I restart portmap and nfs? |
| 21:08.19 | _zigo_ | Does someone have any experience in running RAID1 (software) and grub ? |
| 21:08.24 | greycat | dambodog: then you configured it wrong. |
| 21:08.24 | takatumi | dambodog: don't do any of that after make menuconfig, instead apt-get install kernel-package, and man make-kpkg |
| 21:08.28 | asg | usuario: did you look in /etc/init.d? |
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| 21:08.38 | _zigo_ | I did it with lilo, and I know how, but with grub I'm lost in the raid setup... |
| 21:08.40 | Active2 | dambodog: please look at kernel-package and download the kernel that is in unstable (like apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11) |
| 21:08.46 | usuario | asg: No, I'll look in there now |
| 21:08.49 | streuner | usuario: over /etc/int.d/ what asg told you |
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| 21:09.02 | asg | streuner: do we have /etc/float.d/ also? |
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| 21:09.07 | greycat | hah |
| 21:09.13 | Active2 | dambodog: and then look into /usr/src and there appears a tarball :) |
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| 21:09.37 | sun_ | hi i tried eboard and xboard to connect to freechess.org but they both just hang, anybody have success playing on freechess.org |
| 21:09.44 | streuner | asg: you beat me, damnit :-) |
| 21:09.49 | jeffff | how can i mount something in raw mode? |
| 21:09.57 | asg | streuner: :) |
| 21:09.58 | tarzeau | jeffff: what do you really want to do? |
| 21:10.00 | Flimzy | I have a server that sits in my parent's basement, where power goes out frequently. About every six months, it requires a manual fsck to boot again... I'm using ext3 now. Can someone recommend a FS that responds better to lost power? |
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| 21:10.02 | greycat | in what mode? |
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| 21:10.20 | greycat | Flimzy: ext3's probably the best for that, in linux |
| 21:10.27 | jeffff | tarzeau, I am trying to mount svcd under cdemu |
| 21:10.32 | Flimzy | greycat: ok |
| 21:10.38 | greycat | Flimzy: be sure you enabled the automatic fsck fix flag, in /etc/default/rcS.d |
| 21:10.50 | tarzeau | jeffff: what's cdemu ? |
| 21:10.53 | jeffff | cdemu says i should mount it in raw mode because viedocds have no file system |
| 21:10.56 | caphuso | and use data=journal mode |
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| 21:11.04 | asg | Flimzy: I can't remember of ext3's default is to journal both data and meta-data. If it is only doing meta-data, enable support for full data journalling and you shouldn't have that problem. |
| 21:11.14 | jeffff | it bascially takes a .bin/cue file and puts it at /dev/cdemu/0 |
| 21:11.16 | caphuso | slower, but more secure |
| 21:11.21 | asg | caphuso: of course |
| 21:11.23 | jeffff | and then you are supposed to mount /dev/cdemu/0 |
| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | jeffff: what's the film called? |
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| 21:11.30 | greycat | jeffff: err. so. it's some sort of, like, kernel driver? |
| 21:11.33 | caphuso | asg: no, ext3 uses data=ordered by default |
| 21:11.40 | Flimzy | asg: how do I check that? |
| 21:11.42 | zamolxes | Flimzy, what 'server' ? |
| 21:11.42 | asg | caphuso: ah |
| 21:11.46 | jeffff | it is a kernel driver |
| 21:11.48 | dambodog | Active2, so i should downloadthe kerne-source pkg as well? kernel-source-2.6.8 ? |
| 21:11.50 | Flimzy | zamolxes: ? |
| 21:11.51 | jeffff | whats the film? bride and prejduce |
| 21:12.02 | zamolxes | Flimzy, what services do you run on it |
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| 21:12.08 | caphuso | which just means that metadata gets written after the data |
| 21:12.17 | jeffff | and they say to do mount /dev/cdemu/0 /mnt/cdrom |
| 21:12.25 | Flimzy | zamolxes: Some local services... filesharing, squid... some web stuff. It's not a public server. |
| 21:12.40 | Flimzy | zamolxes: I don't see what relevance that has, tho |
| 21:12.46 | greycat | jeffff: I have a funny feeling you know more about this nonstandard driver of yours than we do |
| 21:12.46 | jeffff | next i read |
| 21:12.49 | jeffff | Q: I am trying to mount an [S]VCD but the mount command keeps failing! |
| 21:12.49 | jeffff | A: Of course it does not work ! An [S]VCD contains no real filesystem. You need to read it in raw mode. |
| 21:12.53 | zamolxes | Flimzy, well you should put most of the stuff on a readonly partition :) |
| 21:13.03 | greycat | READ it in raw mode. not MOUNT it in raw mode. |
| 21:13.11 | jeffff | so essectually, i need to REad it in raw mode |
| 21:13.15 | greycat | no wonder your original question made no sense. |
| 21:13.15 | Flimzy | zamolxes: that wouldn't be possible |
| 21:13.23 | jeffff | lol sorry |
| 21:13.30 | greycat | jeffff: just do this: mplayer *.bin |
| 21:13.35 | Flimzy | greycat: fsckfix was 'no'... I changed it. hopefully that'll help |
| 21:14.01 | jeffff | grecat, right but the problem is i want to take the svcd and convert it to a vcd |
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| 21:14.12 | jeffff | therefor i need to take the .mpeg out of the svcd and slap it on my hard drive |
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| 21:14.20 | Flimzy | jeffff: why do you want to do that? svcd is superior |
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| 21:14.57 | jeffff | Flimzy, because apprently my dvd player cannot play svcds |
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| 21:15.09 | Flimzy | jeffff: Can it play vcds? |
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| 21:15.11 | jeffff | also when i burend the .bin file with k3b i cant even mount it |
| 21:15.15 | jeffff | yes it can play vcds |
| 21:15.21 | jeffff | the cd that is |
| 21:15.25 | jeffff | says no medium found |
| 21:15.34 | stew | didn't we already tell him that you cannot mount a vcd? |
| 21:15.41 | jeffff | sorry |
| 21:15.50 | Flimzy | jeffff: Make sure it's a problem with svcd, and not just with the particular media brand it's burned on |
| 21:15.52 | streuner | just run xine |
| 21:15.54 | Active2 | dambodog: well you *can* download the kernel from kernel.org but i use most of the time kernel-source-2.6.* package |
| 21:15.54 | jeffff | i ment from the cd already burned, but nemvermind that |
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| 21:16.14 | dad | Umm. /dev/lp0 seems to be missing. It's in /dev but CUPS add printer will not display or take parallel:/dev/lp0 How do I even start to fix this (AKA define the problem)? |
| 21:16.24 | Flimzy | jeffff: You probably need to use mencoder or transcode to extract the mpeg stream from a (s)vcd |
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| 21:16.57 | jeffff | ooh' |
| 21:17.39 | jm51 | does anyone know when gnome 2.10 is gonna be packaged? |
| 21:17.46 | greycat | jm51: no |
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| 21:17.49 | akusarujin | when it's ready? |
| 21:17.55 | MobyTurbo | jm51: /topic |
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| 21:18.04 | jeffff | well is it at all possibal to use mount to read something in raw mode |
| 21:18.16 | dambodog | Active2, ok. I don't see how it is that much different. Is it? |
| 21:18.31 | Flimzy | jeffff: what the hell is 'raw mode'? |
| 21:18.38 | gsgs_ | when mounting a second hard disk in woody, i can't access it as non-root (no write permissions) |
| 21:18.45 | Flimzy | jeffff: mount is used to _mount_ filesystems. |
| 21:18.55 | greycat | Flimzy: it's just a fancy way of saying "mplayer yourfile.bin", I think. |
| 21:18.58 | Flimzy | gsgs_: man fstab; man mount |
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| 21:19.07 | gsgs_ | /dev/loop2 /mnt/hdb ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 21:19.17 | jeffff | no its a way of getting the .mpeg out of a .bin file |
| 21:19.34 | gsgs_ | Flimzy: shouldn't that do the trick |
| 21:19.39 | akusarujin | gsgs_, what are the permissions on it? ls -lah /mnt/hdb |
| 21:19.48 | Flimzy | jeffff: Oh, so you have a SVCD image, and want to get crap out of it? run mencoder/transcode on the image. |
| 21:19.50 | tarzeau | jeffff: you want to loop back mount a file whose content is an image of a filesystem? |
| 21:20.01 | greycat | jeffff: in the most general sense, "read it in raw mode" means "use some sort of application that can read the data directly from the medium, e.g. mplayer or xine, not mount" |
| 21:20.06 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: drwxr-xr-x |
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| 21:20.18 | akusarujin | gsgs_, user / group, i mean |
| 21:20.18 | tarzeau | Flimzy: you want to give him all the command line parameters like a mother gives a child the breast and milk |
| 21:20.24 | Mykey | hello people ^^ |
| 21:20.25 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed jeffff |
| 21:20.27 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: root.root |
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| 21:20.34 | jeffff | lmao |
| 21:20.51 | akusarujin | gsgs_, i typically would do something along the lines of: chown -R root:disk /mnt/hdb |
| 21:20.56 | stew | any french speakers that could tell me what a button labelled "R. À Z. |
| 21:20.56 | jeffff | give me the milk |
| 21:20.57 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: hmm i get the idea... |
| 21:20.59 | Flimzy | tarzeau: No, I don't think I'm in danger of breastfeeding him yet. |
| 21:21.01 | Mykey | just a simple question: does the ubuntu supports the debian packages ? |
| 21:21.02 | stew | "...might stand for? |
| 21:21.03 | akusarujin | gsgs_, then i would adduser username disk |
| 21:21.18 | Flimzy | Mykey: Ask the ubuntu support team, not us. |
| 21:21.20 | tarzeau | Mykey: #ubuntu |
| 21:21.29 | thingfish | Mykey: ubuntu packages for ubuntu, debian packages for debian. |
| 21:21.33 | Mykey | stew: Remise à zéro |
| 21:21.40 | gary | Is it dangerous to take head ache tablets whilst drinking |
| 21:21.40 | Mykey | stew: a reset in english words ^^ |
| 21:21.42 | MobyTurbo | Mykey: mixing repositories for multiple distributions is always a bad idea |
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| 21:21.56 | Mykey | tarzeau: thank you |
| 21:22.05 | tarzeau | gary: i don't see anyone looking like a doctor |
| 21:22.05 | stew | Mykey: thank you |
| 21:22.07 | Mykey | ok |
| 21:22.09 | Flimzy | Using ubuntu is dangerous |
| 21:22.13 | tarzeau | gary: if you mean drinking water, sounds fine to me |
| 21:22.23 | gary | tarzeau: what if i don't mean water |
| 21:22.24 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: apparently i also need write-perms for the group |
| 21:22.31 | gary | tarzeau: what if i mean a lot of alcohol |
| 21:22.32 | tarzeau | gary: orange juice is fine too |
| 21:22.47 | tarzeau | gary: i think that's dangerous, no matter if you too headache pills or not |
| 21:22.49 | Mykey | well... see you, I'm going to try out ubuntu and get debian later (sucking 56k connection) |
| 21:23.00 | asg | gary: don't mix large quantities of either. |
| 21:23.05 | akusarujin | gsgs_, correct, if you want to write to it |
| 21:23.10 | Flimzy | Using ubuntu reduces your intelligence |
| 21:23.18 | akusarujin | gsgs_, execute permissions as well if you plan on traversing through the directories on it |
| 21:23.20 | gary | tarzeau: thanks for saving my life then |
| 21:23.34 | Flimzy | or at least, Ubuntu users who come here are on average 50 IQ points less intelligent than the average person on this channel |
| 21:23.37 | tarzeau | gary: did you rm -rf / ? |
| 21:23.40 | gary | tarzeau: it's just i've been drinking a lot, i'm about to go out, but i;ve got a headacjhe |
| 21:23.42 | Flimzy | I can only assume that ubuntu reduces intelligence |
| 21:23.44 | gary | lol tarzeau no |
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| 21:24.07 | gary | tarzeau: although once i chmod -r a-rw / instead of ./ |
| 21:24.16 | tarzeau | gary: hehe that sucks |
| 21:24.16 | gary | that resulted in a re-install |
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| 21:24.25 | asg | Flimzy: the average person on #debian already drools, a -50 reduction is likely to make #ubuntu full of limpets. |
| 21:24.43 | gary | lol tarzeau yep |
| 21:24.43 | tarzeau | Flimzy: is that worse than #gentoo ? |
| 21:24.53 | asg | gary: for future reference, /msg dpkg i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 21:25.10 | Flimzy | tarzeau: At least Gentoo users don't come here expecting us to tell them how to install sarge packages |
| 21:25.14 | gary | asg: i'll make a note of that tomorrow. Right now i'm too drunk to listen :-( |
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| 21:25.24 | gary | It's 930pm |
| 21:25.29 | gary | I'm about to go out |
| 21:25.45 | gary | I'm such a loser that i've got to go out by myself |
| 21:25.48 | binarym | is there any GUI for ifupdown tool under debian ? |
| 21:25.56 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: nope, still not working, it reverts perms to rwxr-xr-x when it mounts |
| 21:26.00 | tarzeau | gary: at least you've got super cow powers |
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| 21:26.12 | gary | tarzeau: i have? |
| 21:26.12 | tarzeau | gary: could be worse: www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 21:26.16 | akusarujin | gsgs_, set a umask |
| 21:26.17 | tarzeau | gary: you don't? |
| 21:26.25 | thingfish | gary: think of it as free and open to possibilities. |
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| 21:26.31 | tarzeau | binarym: please! |
| 21:26.35 | gary | tarzeau: of course i do |
| 21:26.36 | tarzeau | dpkg tell binarym about for x |
| 21:26.38 | akusarujin | gsgs_, umask=003 or something to that degree, depending on what you want.. |
| 21:26.43 | tarzeau | gary: apt-get moo then |
| 21:26.45 | gary | thingfish: thanks, i will |
| 21:26.52 | Flimzy | binarym: What would you use a GUI ifupdown tool for? |
| 21:27.06 | akusarujin | gsgs_, so in fstab, defaults,umask=003 |
| 21:27.09 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.11 | binarym | Flimzy: for clicka lover users |
| 21:27.14 | gary | on my 6th can of beef |
| 21:27.15 | asg | Flimzy: click (online) ; click (offline) |
| 21:27.20 | gary | beer**** |
| 21:27.24 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:27.28 | asg | gary: didn't know you could get drunk on beef |
| 21:27.34 | gary | I think i'll start on the vodka & redbulls |
| 21:27.35 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 21:27.43 | gary | lol asg i wish i did, save me a lot of money |
| 21:27.54 | gary | instead of being drunk you'd get mad cow disease |
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| 21:28.04 | Flimzy | binarym: I guess I'm used to <automatically, I'm online> <automatically, I'm offline>, based on the physical state of my network connection(s).... clicking would be harder |
| 21:28.08 | binarym | Flimzy: i wrote a little one using gtk so i wanted to know if it can be useful for debian users |
| 21:28.09 | asg | gary: or drink cheaper stuff, you apparently are going to have a headache either way given your previous history. |
| 21:28.24 | gary | asg: yea |
| 21:28.26 | Phated | asg: And his current typoing status. ;) |
| 21:28.28 | gary | i gotta be up at about 10pm |
| 21:28.30 | Flimzy | binarym: Well you can package it if you want. I'll never use it, tho. |
| 21:28.31 | binarym | Flimzy: no, it's useful for example to choose between wifi home or wifi work |
| 21:28.31 | gary | 10 am |
| 21:28.36 | gary | got work tomorrow at 11am |
| 21:28.39 | asg | Phated: that's to be expected. |
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| 21:28.45 | Phated | asg: Heh. |
| 21:28.51 | Flimzy | binarym: hotplug does that automatically, too |
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| 21:29.07 | binarym | Flimzy: i don't like "automtically" |
| 21:29.13 | binarym | i want to have control |
| 21:29.26 | gsgs_ | akusarujin: thx |
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| 21:29.43 | Flimzy | binarym: you're strange. But go ahead... package your deal. There are probably other weirdos out there who like doing things the hard way, too, and would love to waste their hard disk space with your script |
| 21:30.04 | gary | well bye |
| 21:30.06 | Flimzy | binarym: automation does not mean a sacrifice of control |
| 21:30.07 | gary | talk to you tomorrow |
| 21:30.12 | asg | gary: have fun, be safe, win awards |
| 21:30.16 | binarym | Flimzy: hmmm |
| 21:30.16 | johill | I have defined a layout for my keyboard and got the keymap etc. all there, to be precise I have a types/, symbols/, rules/, keymap/, keycodes/ and geometry/ file. xkbcomp/print work fine on it. how can I put these into my X server now? |
| 21:30.16 | Flimzy | binarym: It means you don't like wasting time. |
| 21:30.24 | Phated | gary: Assign a driver. ;) |
| 21:30.41 | gary | lol, well i only live about 20 mins from town |
| 21:30.44 | gary | i'll walk |
| 21:30.48 | gary | thanks thog |
| 21:30.53 | binarym | Flimzy: for example, i'm at home, but i want to use my neighboor wifi instead of mine |
| 21:30.55 | gary | thanks Phated asg, i appreciate it |
| 21:30.55 | Phated | Heh, go det drunk. Have fun. |
| 21:30.59 | gary | *gone* |
| 21:31.02 | Phated | get*/ |
| 21:31.06 | asg | ...' was it stagger stagger crawl crawl or crawl crawl stagger stagger.' |
| 21:31.10 | binarym | Flimzy: automation is useless in this case |
| 21:31.18 | Phated | Whoa, shit, I'm getting drunk already... Damn air. |
| 21:31.18 | Flimzy | binarym: But one great thing about debian (and linux in general) is that you can install the stupid packages if you like... or you can use the cool ones. It's up to you. |
| 21:31.32 | takatumi | asg: its alright, he won't remember. :) |
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| 21:31.44 | gary | Phated: "go get drunk?"? What do you think i am now?! lol, bye |
| 21:31.46 | binarym | Flimzy: you're a little bit closed minded, but it's ok |
| 21:31.50 | gary | *really i have gone now* |
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| 21:31.55 | Flimzy | binarym: I wouldn't use a GUI for that anyway. |
| 21:31.56 | Phated | gary: Really drunk? :) |
| 21:32.08 | asg | takatumi: I drink an awful lot regularly but I never get drunk in the conventional sense; I have an odd tolerance to beer. |
| 21:32.10 | Flimzy | binarym: I'm close minded b/c I said anyone can do whatever they want? that seems like very open minded to me. |
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| 21:32.48 | binarym | Flimzy: no, because you persist to think that a gui for such a tool is useless |
| 21:32.59 | Flimzy | binarym: I didn't say it was useless. |
| 21:33.14 | Flimzy | binarym: I said that an automated tool is better, and doesn't lose any control. |
| 21:33.15 | binarym | Flimzy: ok, ok |
| 21:33.17 | takatumi | asg: 6 beers already, 3 or 4 shots of vodka to top up and then a couple of beers for the road. *zap* |
| 21:33.34 | Flimzy | binarym: However, GUI tools in general suck. |
| 21:33.36 | asg | takatumi: eeep, rule number one of drunk club, never mix |
| 21:33.47 | Flimzy | binarym: But that doesn't mean they're useless... just less useful than other alternatives. |
| 21:33.54 | citral | wine after beer is an exeption |
| 21:34.04 | ep | how do i use [ DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--blah" fakeroot debian/rules binary ] to create the .deb and install the package? |
| 21:34.11 | asg | citral: with a coffee in between |
| 21:34.22 | citral | asg: accorded |
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| 21:34.48 | binarym | Flimzy: in my case, i don't want automation and i prefer launching an ap with a shortcut and clicking to choose my network profile than open a term, and type sudo ifup "eth1=eth1-home" |
| 21:35.01 | binarym | and then type my pass |
| 21:35.02 | citral | lazy boy... |
| 21:35.06 | binarym | yeah |
| 21:35.08 | binarym | :) |
| 21:35.37 | Flimzy | binarym: Okay... that's your right, as I said before. That doesnt' mean it makes sense, tho. |
| 21:35.52 | binarym | Flimzy: :) |
| 21:35.56 | FieldySnuts | automation is what doesn't make sense to me. leads to less security |
| 21:36.05 | binarym | FieldySnuts: yeah !!! |
| 21:36.06 | binarym | :) |
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| 21:36.14 | asg | binarym: you could always write a shell wrapper and hotkey it |
| 21:36.16 | Flimzy | binarym: My preference is to have my network come up when I boot, or when I plug it in. Then I don't have to click on any stupid icons *or* run sudo |
| 21:36.21 | jeffff | can someone help me use mencoder to extract an mpeg stream out of a .bin svcd |
| 21:36.33 | binarym | asg: to choose between 3 profil ? no ... |
| 21:36.37 | binarym | +s |
| 21:36.38 | tarzeau | jeffff: man mencoder |
| 21:36.38 | Flimzy | binarym: Of course I always have at least a half dozen xterms open at any given time, so running sudo isn't that difficult. |
| 21:36.41 | FieldySnuts | hii |
| 21:36.45 | asg | binarym: if your window manager supports chained keys, yes |
| 21:36.50 | Phated | *huggle* FieldySnuts :) |
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| 21:36.56 | ludi | updated to SID, now all files on my giftd/giftui shows up as "Unavailable"....before with Sarge it was working fine. |
| 21:36.59 | ludi | anyone know about this? |
| 21:37.05 | asg | binarym: ^Foo + {a,b,c} |
| 21:37.10 | stew | jeffff: #mplayer |
| 21:37.12 | tarzeau | Flimzy: got milk? didn't i tell you ... |
| 21:37.23 | buu | Anyone happen to have a good idea how to use amazon's "listen" feature for albums under lunix? |
| 21:37.25 | Flimzy | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:37.28 | binarym | asg: you're right |
| 21:37.50 | tarzeau | Flimzy: jeffff wants to know every little parameter for mencoder and his problem |
| 21:37.53 | Delph | buu: have you tried asking amazon? |
| 21:37.56 | asg | binarym: either way, do whatever makes you comfortable |
| 21:37.58 | asg | binarym: :) |
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| 21:38.09 | Flimzy | tarzeau: Ahh... I wasn't even looking at that |
| 21:38.12 | Flimzy | jeffff: man mencoder |
| 21:38.12 | FieldySnuts | yeah right, nobody's going to sit there and find out for you, read the man page yourself |
| 21:38.21 | jeffff | Tarzeau, Why you gotta be like that, i read the man page and i cant figure it out |
| 21:38.23 | stew | buu: why would you ask here about lunix? |
| 21:38.25 | jeffff | mabey im stuipd |
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| 21:38.53 | buu | Delph: No, their response time is significantly slower than irc |
| 21:38.53 | jeffff | says nothing directoly about my problem |
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| 21:39.11 | stew | jeffff: #mplayer |
| 21:39.27 | Delph | buu: fs tell them anyway. |
| 21:39.39 | Flimzy | jeffff: Try transcode, try google. |
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| 21:39.56 | travisat | comparing the response time of amazon to that of irc is like comparing monkeys to oranges |
| 21:40.14 | greycat | evil monkey lawyers |
| 21:40.21 | ludi | updated to SID, now all files on my giftd/giftui shows up as "Unavailable"....before with Sarge it was working fine. |
| 21:40.22 | ludi | anyone know about this? |
| 21:40.27 | xarg | how can I test to see if exim4 is filtering mail through spamassassin/spamd? |
| 21:40.32 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 21:40.32 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:40.34 | Skirner | I need some help with the Nvidia nForce MCP driver |
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| 21:41.44 | citral | xarg: headers |
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| 21:43.47 | Skirner | I have installed the kernel headers and source but it seems like the installationprogram for the driver not find them. And when I manually point out where they are the compilation fails |
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| 21:44.16 | xirtam | can anyone point to a howto/page to get a wireless dwl-g650 wireless-card working? |
| 21:44.27 | citral | yeah, google |
| 21:44.38 | xirtam | citral: better? ;) |
| 21:44.43 | citral | no |
| 21:44.55 | POVaddct | xirtam: which hardware revision? |
| 21:44.56 | xirtam | poor citral ;) |
| 21:45.16 | tarzeau | Skirner: we are not mind readers |
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| 21:45.31 | xirtam | POVaddct: how can i find out? |
| 21:45.39 | citral | xirtam: poor? already 100+ hits |
| 21:45.54 | citral | xirtam: you poor guy. :) |
| 21:46.14 | POVaddct | xirtam: look at the backside of the card. H/W Ver.: ... |
| 21:46.15 | travisat | xirtam: I have that card, what you need |
| 21:46.33 | citral | oh yeah, spoonfeeding here. |
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| 21:46.42 | xirtam | b1 f/w 2.04 |
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| 21:47.04 | POVaddct | xirtam: then you need the madwifi driver |
| 21:47.27 | POVaddct | xirtam: h/w rev. a had a different chip which needs prism54 driver |
| 21:47.33 | travisat | add this to your apt sources: deb ftp://debian.marlow.dk/ sid madwifi |
| 21:47.46 | Lorenzo | What up debian 1337s... question: I recently corrupted my /etc/init.d/apache2 file... by deleting a lot of stuff, and adding more, etc. so i DELETED the file. i then did a "apt-get remove --purge apache2". it said it removed everything, so then i reinstalled it "apt-get install apache2", and it reinstalled. however, the /etc/init.d/apache2 file i deleted is still gone... it didn't create a default file there. what do i do? |
| 21:48.20 | stouset | lorenzo: It should have put the init script there. |
| 21:48.26 | travisat | then apt-get install madwifi-source;cd /usr/src/modules/madwifi/;sudo make;sudo make install |
| 21:48.30 | stouset | lorenzo: There's no reason why it wouldn't have =\ |
| 21:48.31 | tarzeau | Lorenzo: don't use apache2 |
| 21:48.41 | POVaddct | travisat: btw, is ad-hoc mode stable with madwifi driver now? |
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| 21:49.00 | travisat | POVaddct: I don't know, never used it |
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| 21:49.29 | POVaddct | travisat: last time i tried it worked for 5 minutes, then locked up the kernel |
| 21:49.54 | POVaddct | travisat: but i rather use managed, master or monitor mode anyway |
| 21:50.10 | quiet | when I installed, i said not to use defoma for font management. Now I want to.. how do i change it? dpkg-reconfigure defoma didn't work :/ |
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| 21:50.56 | tarzeau | POVaddct: like ray? |
| 21:51.12 | POVaddct | tarzeau: POV-Ray, that's right |
| 21:51.55 | Rawplayer | how can i change my mac adress on a nic? |
| 21:51.57 | quiet | i figured it out |
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| 21:52.00 | Lorenzo | you can't. |
| 21:52.02 | stouset | Rawplayer: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:52.05 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: using ifconfig |
| 21:52.13 | Rawplayer | ok thanks |
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| 21:52.18 | Lorenzo | it's not possible to change the mac address of a NIC though, isn't it? |
| 21:52.19 | Rawplayer | its was not in the normal manual |
| 21:52.21 | quiet | dpkg-reconfigure libpango1.0-common works to turn on defoma |
| 21:52.23 | Rawplayer | Lorenzo: it is |
| 21:52.37 | Lorenzo | how so? i thought that was a permanent address burned into every NIC? |
| 21:52.49 | citral | man interfaces |
| 21:52.55 | travisat | xirtam: erm I messup you need to do more than that, |
| 21:52.55 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: i don't have the manual page "normal" either |
| 21:52.57 | xirtam | travisat: i compiled and installed the drivers ... what do i need? |
| 21:53.00 | POVaddct | tarzeau: http://217.232.119.150:11991/ |
| 21:53.08 | xirtam | travisat: yea ;) |
| 21:53.27 | Lorenzo | by the way, before i deleted it, i tried "apt-get remove --purge apache2", and it (i assume) removed apache2, but the (corrupt) /etc/init.d file was still there... why's that? |
| 21:53.30 | travisat | xirtam: wireless-tools |
| 21:53.34 | Lorenzo | i really need to get this figured out :-/ |
| 21:53.38 | xirtam | i think i have ... mom |
| 21:53.45 | travisat | xirtam: see here for debian way: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 21:53.45 | tarzeau | POVaddct: www.linuks.mine.nu/hny/ see xmas2003.png |
| 21:54.18 | xirtam | travisat: i have wireless-tools installed ... what else? |
| 21:54.20 | xirtam | ahh |
| 21:54.33 | travisat | xirtam: what exactly isn't working |
| 21:54.55 | quiet | tarzeau, that's what povray is? 3D rendering? |
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| 21:55.03 | control-c | Hi, what's the cli tool to rip cd's ? |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | what order does run-parts process in? .. alphabetical? |
| 21:55.15 | tarzeau | quiet: looks so: povray (1) - POV-Ray: The Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer |
| 21:55.20 | POVaddct | tarzeau: nice :) |
| 21:55.24 | tarzeau | control-c: jack |
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| 21:55.36 | abrotman | ah .. so says man |
| 21:55.39 | tarzeau | POVaddct: have you played with wings3d or blender ? |
| 21:55.58 | POVaddct | tarzeau: no, i'm not into graphical modellers |
| 21:56.02 | citral | blender owns |
| 21:56.03 | control-c | tarzeau: you know another one? |
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| 21:56.09 | tarzeau | control-c: no |
| 21:56.16 | POVaddct | tarzeau: my modeller for povray is called vi :) |
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| 21:57.00 | tarzeau | POVaddct: i learnt some with www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/povray |
| 21:57.16 | Lorenzo | how do i copy and paste stuff in an IRC window? |
| 21:57.20 | SpamHog | silly question... how do you PRONOUNCE vi - I mean, when yo, like, speak, i.e. w/o keyboard? |
| 21:57.36 | tarzeau | Lorenzo: x or not? gnu screen? |
| 21:57.41 | Lorenzo | mIRC |
| 21:57.46 | Lorenzo | on windows |
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| 21:58.02 | tarzeau | SpamHog: vee eye |
| 21:58.02 | jvw | SpamHog: 'vee eye'? |
| 21:58.03 | Delph | Lorenzo: have you paid for it? I'm sure khaled would be happy to answer any questions. |
| 21:58.03 | travisat | Lorenzo: ^c,^v |
| 21:58.05 | quiet | Lorenzo, ctrl+C ctrl+V |
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| 21:58.19 | SpamHog | I am so relieved.... |
| 21:58.21 | Lorenzo | i can highlight stuff, but as soon as i let off the mouse button, the "highlighting" disappears... so i can't "control C" or "control V" |
| 21:58.36 | Lorenzo | Delph: no i haven't paid for it, i installed it 10 minutes ago. i NEVER use IRC :p |
| 21:58.39 | sippeter | get sexy_lesbian_10_years_old_masturbating.mpg |
| 21:58.41 | tarzeau | SpamHog: sexy girls will love you if you say you use emacs |
| 21:58.42 | quiet | Lorenzo, use XChat for windows :) |
| 21:58.46 | sippeter | Oops, wrong window. |
| 21:58.56 | Lorenzo | OK will do. thanks |
| 21:58.59 | Lorenzo | in that case, BRB |
| 21:59.14 | quiet | he's dumb |
| 21:59.19 | quiet | he's gonna have to pay for it |
| 21:59.20 | tarzeau | sippeter: can i have a /dcc copy? |
| 21:59.21 | SpamHog | tarzeau: I had great success with astronomy and macroeconomics, but I never tried that kine of gab... |
| 21:59.27 | SpamHog | line of gab |
| 21:59.35 | sippeter | I was like.... umm... Kidding. |
| 21:59.39 | dippo | anyone know why debian doesn't use /srv for www and other data like that as per the FHS? too much convention working against it? |
| 21:59.58 | tarzeau | dippo: because the FHS is hilarious |
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| 22:00.02 | dippo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.07 | dippo | ack, sorry |
| 22:00.14 | xirtam | tarzeau: what is make-kpkg ? |
| 22:00.22 | dippo | hilarious how |
| 22:00.22 | xirtam | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --added-modules madwifi modules_image |
| 22:00.33 | travisat | xirtam: install kernel-package |
| 22:00.38 | tarzeau | dippo: i don't like FHS |
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| 22:00.56 | dippo | why not? |
| 22:01.01 | tarzeau | dippo: it's bad for users |
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| 22:01.20 | tarzeau | dippo: it's too restricting and limiting |
| 22:01.22 | helix | tarzeau: how so? |
| 22:01.28 | leno | anyone know of a application that will enable me to download porn from usenet ? |
| 22:01.42 | sander | how can I get a list of nordic "apt-get" servers? |
| 22:01.53 | tarzeau | leno: sure, try aub |
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| 22:02.01 | tarzeau | leno: also try www.lesbian.mine.nu 's porn-get |
| 22:02.19 | dad | HELP! CUPS "add printer" will not display or take "parallel:/dev/lp0". |
| 22:02.25 | sander | anyone know where I can get new apt mirrors? |
| 22:02.25 | tarzeau | leno: often it's hard to find a good binary porn carrier of news, or the quality just sucks |
| 22:02.34 | tarzeau | sander: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 22:02.34 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 22:02.35 | leno | mmmmm:\ |
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| 22:02.45 | tarzeau | helix: did you read it? |
| 22:02.46 | leno | well i'll try |
| 22:02.50 | helix | no |
| 22:02.51 | leno | thanks tarzeau :) |
| 22:02.57 | tarzeau | helix: hehe :) bom dia |
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| 22:03.30 | Rawplayer | hmm changing a mac does that also count for aliases? |
| 22:03.41 | sander | tarzeau, thats just one in .fi?.. or something.. I want a more compleate list |
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| 22:04.22 | tarzeau | sander: this IS complete |
| 22:04.27 | Lorenzo | OK |
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| 22:04.35 | tarzeau | sander: damn i'd like to hit you hard now. if you only were sitting near me |
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| 22:05.04 | Jacobo221 | how can i create a symink in an FTP (no ssh account available) to point "sid/" to "unstable/" ? |
| 22:05.14 | tarzeau | Jacobo221: you can't |
| 22:05.29 | sander | tarzeau, I only saw a few lines there.. |
| 22:05.32 | Lorenzo | again: i corrupted my /etc/init.d/apache2 file... so i did "apt-get remove apache2", and it says it removed apache, but the corrupted /etc/init.d/apache2 file was still there. so i deleted it (manually) then did an "apt-get install apache2", and it says it installed apache2, but yet there's still no file in /etc/init.d/... i thought it would write a default file or something, but it didn't. is that right? plz help. thx. |
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| 22:05.36 | Jacobo221 | tarzeau: the only way is through shell ? |
| 22:05.36 | tarzeau | sander: IT IS COMPLETE! |
| 22:05.41 | tarzeau | Jacobo221: yes |
| 22:06.10 | sander | tarzeau, what makes it complete? |
| 22:06.14 | tarzeau | Lorenzo: you told so already. don't use apache2. remove it |
| 22:06.17 | POVaddct | tarzeau: ha! another soundtracker user :) |
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| 22:06.46 | Lorenzo | tarzeau: so what do i use instead?...... |
| 22:06.50 | tarzeau | sander: the first line |
| 22:06.56 | tarzeau | Lorenzo: apache |
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| 22:07.22 | Lorenzo | tarzeau: thanks. i'll try that. |
| 22:07.40 | stormshadow | I can ssh my server with the ipadd, but I can't with the domain. Help |
| 22:08.18 | Jacobo221 | I have a large tar.bz2 file which i know contains a ReadMe.txt file. how can i extract _only_ that file ? |
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| 22:08.23 | slim | is ifplug the same as dhcp? |
| 22:08.24 | sander | tarzeau, I want to choose my mirros myself.. some with better speeds |
| 22:08.29 | tarzeau | Jacobo221: man tar |
| 22:08.35 | tarzeau | sander: apt-setup |
| 22:08.35 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 22:08.50 | tarzeau | slim: i don't think so |
| 22:08.56 | Jacobo221 | tarzeau: man tar only tells me how to exclude files, not to decide which ones to extract |
| 22:09.05 | abrotman | pump is ok for dhcp |
| 22:09.12 | alcorrr | can anyone help me? i got php to send an email from code to an outside address and exim is trying to deliver it to the local maildirs |
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| 22:09.31 | alcorrr | exim is configured to auth against a mysql db, btw |
| 22:09.43 | stew | Jacobo221: tar xjf tarfile ReadMe.txt |
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| 22:09.46 | abrotman | alcorrr: #php ? |
| 22:09.48 | Vlat | hu |
| 22:10.02 | Jacobo221 | stew: thanky :) |
| 22:10.15 | alcorrr | abrotman, the php part is fine, it's the exim part that doesn't work right.. and yes, i asked in #exim and everyone's asleep |
| 22:10.19 | xirtam | tarzeau: i can load the driver ath_pci now ... all other modules are loaded as welll |
| 22:10.32 | xirtam | it does not work ... the card is on pcmcia ... ? |
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| 22:11.32 | abrotman | alcorrr: is exim setup correctly to begin with? |
| 22:11.33 | travisat | xirtam: do the modules load correclty |
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| 22:11.47 | xirtam | dmesg looks like ... |
| 22:11.49 | alcorrr | abrotman: no, therefore the problem |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | alcorrr: exim-config ? |
| 22:12.24 | ep | How do I use [ DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--blah" fakeroot blah ] The instructions just give this line and assume I know how to create the .deb file. I don't. The following step is dpkg -i mplayerVersion.deb |
| 22:12.28 | abrotman | or exim4config .. or whatever it is |
| 22:12.38 | abrotman | as root `exim<tab><tab>` |
| 22:12.48 | alcorrr | i made my own config last night.. i'm sure it has something to do with the transport or something for relaying mail from localhost that isn't right.. i need someone that knows how exim work |
| 22:12.52 | alcorrr | works |
| 22:12.53 | xirtam | travisat: cardinfo is still empty ... |
| 22:13.04 | abrotman | well .. if oyu made your own .. i'm no help .. i always use exim-config |
| 22:13.06 | abrotman | works fine for me :) |
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| 22:13.22 | alcorrr | yeah, but you don't need virtual domains and mysql |
| 22:13.34 | travisat | xirtam: after you load the modules what does iwconfig say |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | no .. i don't |
| 22:13.34 | alcorrr | anyway, thanks |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | and i prefer postfix :) |
| 22:13.37 | chealer | abrotman: do you have exim4? |
| 22:13.53 | abrotman | chealer: i'm sure i do somewhere .. but most of themachines are set to local only |
| 22:13.57 | travisat | xirtam: sorry I need to go |
| 22:13.59 | xirtam | no wireless extensions on lo and eth0, no ath0 or eth1 available ... |
| 22:14.17 | alcorrr | chealer, do you know a lot about exim4? |
| 22:14.26 | chealer | abrotman: because I don't have exim*config here. I use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config though |
| 22:14.36 | chealer | alcorrr: I know about nothing about it. |
| 22:15.01 | FriendFromChina1 | anyone here can tell me where to get the apt source for epsxe? |
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| 22:15.09 | alcorrr | thanks anyway chealer, and btw, i have no exim4config or anything like it either |
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| 22:15.16 | chealer | not enough to make it work, at least :) I tried sending a mail and there's no error in the logs, but I don't receive it |
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| 22:15.41 | FarrisG | is there anyway with dhcp3 to output a list of currently leased dhcp client IP addresses? |
| 22:15.45 | xarg | I am trying to get exim4 to use spamd but I don't see any extra headers .... how can I verify that it is indeed passing mail through the spam filter? |
| 22:15.57 | pzn | apps that are launched by gnome panel does not seem to have the desired umask. where to configure the desired umask that I want openoffice, gimp, ... to have? |
| 22:16.08 | abrotman | chealer .. looking |
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| 22:17.13 | adaran | pzn, this seems to be a global gnome problem. i got pretty ticked off by the fact that the same is true for gnome-terminal et alias |
| 22:17.24 | abrotman | chealer: ask me when i'm at home |
| 22:17.26 | HolyGoat | is there a way to install the ntfs kernel module from apt or something? |
| 22:17.35 | HolyGoat | I'm experiencing a kernel that doesn't have it |
| 22:17.41 | adaran | HolyGoat, captive? |
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| 22:17.50 | chealer | abrotman: it's no problem...mostly for alcorrr not to look at something that doesn't exist |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | HolyGoat: modprobe ntfs |
| 22:17.59 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
| 22:18.06 | abrotman | chealer: i swear i've used it :) |
| 22:18.24 | abrotman | i have eximconfig |
| 22:18.31 | HolyGoat | abrotman: "modprobe: Can't locate module ntfs" |
| 22:18.32 | chealer | ok then :) I'm an MTA illiterate |
| 22:18.32 | abrotman | but for exim3 |
| 22:18.41 | HolyGoat | abrotman: I read that somewhere else so already tried |
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| 22:18.52 | abrotman | HolyGoat: grep -i ntfs /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:18.55 | dondelelcaro | HolyGoat: which kernel is this? |
| 22:19.06 | syg | where should source and build links points in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/ to avoid error in building nvidia driver 7168? |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | chealer: i must be mistaken |
| 22:19.34 | pzn | apps that are launched by gnome panel does not seem to have the desired umask. where to configure the desired umask that I want openoffice, gimp, ... to have? |
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| 22:19.50 | xarg | does spamassassin keep logs? |
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| 22:19.56 | xarg | like in var/log |
| 22:20.03 | pzn | adaran, I have umask 002 in .bashrc; gnome-terminal seems to use it. but not apps launched by panel. sorry for my english: what is "ticked off"? |
| 22:20.05 | GrayThunder | what is the special trick to making rsync ACTUALLY delete files? i have tried --delete and --delete-after and --force and it will not delete files. |
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| 22:20.23 | dondelelcaro | xarg: whatever is calling spamassassin usuually does |
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| 22:21.05 | xarg | dondelelcaro: I am trying to see if exim is actually calling spamassassin. |
| 22:21.21 | dondelelcaro | xarg: then check exim's logs... |
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| 22:21.23 | chealer | syg: just trying, but do you have a custom kernel? and you must be talking about 7167, right? |
| 22:21.24 | rixth_ | I shouldn't take 10-15 seconds to make a directory listing (with only one file in the directory) from a Debian server with PHP installed? It also takes about 20 seconds to generate phpinfo() It's only 500mhz with 312mb RAM. Whenever I have top running when I try to access a PHP page from another machine it says "Waiting for 192.168.0.9" in firefox's staus bar but looking at top's output on the server, nothing it happening, the CPU is 97 |
| 22:21.25 | rixth_ | % idle. If I use links to goto my server (from on the server, so I just type http://localhost) everything loads up in a snap. But if I use links on another computer it says "Request Sent" for 15-20 seconds then displayed what I requested. Ping times between the computers are around .200ms. |
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| 22:21.31 | adaran | pzn, annoyed =) |
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| 22:22.04 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: you're resolving hostnames before you service the request. |
| 22:22.09 | syg | chealer: i use 2.6.8-2-686 sarge kernel and yea 7167 |
| 22:22.14 | pzn | adaran, do you think I should report this as a bug? |
| 22:22.24 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: if the hostname can't reverse, you have to wait for the DNS request to timeout. |
| 22:22.32 | rixth_ | DO I want to turn hostlookups off? |
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| 22:22.39 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: yes. |
| 22:22.46 | chealer | syg: did you look at the Debian nVidia HOWTO? you should need to know anything about that AFAIK |
| 22:22.49 | adaran | pzn, i think i found some info about it somewhere in a mailinglist. not sure, if you search for it, someone else may have already reported it as one |
| 22:23.05 | dondelelcaro | rixth_: or at least, that's the most likely explanation |
| 22:23.13 | rixth_ | dondelelcaro should be in #apache! None of them could help me, thanks, ill give it a go |
| 22:23.14 | adaran | pzn, regardless, it's one of the many reasons i ultimately kicked out gnome again =) |
| 22:23.19 | chealer | syg: otherwise what is your error? |
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| 22:24.48 | syg | chealer: ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This is most likely |
| 22:24.52 | syg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.14 | chealer | syg: which ones did you use? |
| 22:25.15 | rixth_ | Muchos gracias dondelelcaro! |
| 22:25.24 | citral | hahaha |
| 22:25.27 | pzn | how to tell "ide-scsi" that I want only hdc? it is attaching hdb and hdc... |
| 22:25.40 | xarg | dondelelcaro: zgrep spam /var/log/exim4/* shows nothing. I have a router and a transport for spamcheck but I don't see anyting in exims logs |
| 22:25.53 | Flimzy | pzn: hdc=scsi on the kernel commandline, or the modprobe/insmod commandline |
| 22:26.04 | Flimzy | pzn: or maybe it's hdc=ide-scsi... or something similar. |
| 22:26.10 | syg | chealer: i made /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build ->/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686/ |
| 22:26.25 | Flimzy | pzn: Note that with modern kernels, ide-scsi emulation is rarely necessary any more |
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| 22:26.33 | xarg | how can I test what transports are being used in exim |
| 22:26.38 | chealer | syg: did you look at the Debian nVidia HOWTO? |
| 22:26.39 | dondelelcaro | xarg: hrm... well, first off, the logs you want wouldn't be compressed... but second off, maybe ask in #exim? |
| 22:26.42 | syg | chealer: i made /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source ->/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8-2-686/ |
| 22:26.46 | HolyGoat | dondelelcaro: re kernel version: 2.4.29. but the guy with the problem just said someone compiled the kernel custom for him.. probably "forgot" to compile in ntfs support |
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| 22:26.53 | syg | chealer: will read and come back later |
| 22:27.00 | xarg | dondelelcaro: they'd be compressed if they got rotated |
| 22:27.03 | chealer | !tell syg about nvidia-howto |
| 22:27.08 | chealer | syg: good idea |
| 22:27.17 | dondelelcaro | xarg: sure, but presumably you want to look at the most recent ones. |
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| 22:27.23 | syg | chealer: thanks for pointing me to this howto |
| 22:27.26 | dondelelcaro | HolyGoat: yeah, then you need to rebuild the kernel. |
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| 22:27.38 | pzn | Flimzy, my cd reader (hdb) does not work if I use ide-scsi, and my cd writer (hdc) does not work without it :-) kernel is debian 2.6.8-2-k7... any hint? |
| 22:27.54 | mc303 | Can anybody advise me on a good p2p/filesharing program that runs on a debian stable box ? |
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| 22:28.03 | mc303 | either installable via apt-get or compilable on a debian stable |
| 22:28.04 | abrotman | pzn: don't use ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 22:28.10 | alcorrr | mc303: kazaa |
| 22:28.16 | mc303 | ? |
| 22:28.18 | abrotman | mc303: only one i know .. gtk-gnutella |
| 22:28.24 | alcorrr | kidding :) |
| 22:28.24 | dondelelcaro | mc303: almost anything popular has been backported to stable. |
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| 22:28.43 | mc303 | preferabley one that supports the edonkey/gnutalla/fasttrack networks |
| 22:28.57 | pzn | abrotman, I know that I shouldn't use. But writing a CD fails. if I do "modprobe ide-scsi", writing CDs succeed. what do you suggest? |
| 22:29.04 | dondelelcaro | mc303: pick one from unstable and get a backport of it... |
| 22:29.15 | kneecaps | anybody doing ipv6 tunnels? |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | pzn: fix it? |
| 22:29.25 | mc303 | I've tried compiling apollon on a debian stable box, but i get errors on Qt libraries not being available |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | mc303: gtk-gnutella |
| 22:29.37 | abrotman | or gnut if it's in woody :) |
| 22:29.49 | mc303 | ok, I'll try it... but that on probably doesn't support edonkey and fasttrack... |
| 22:29.52 | pzn | abrotman, to fix what? kernel? ide-scsi driver? my cd writer? |
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| 22:30.04 | abrotman | pzn: get your burner to work without ide-scsi |
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| 22:30.15 | abrotman | mc303: probably not .. but well .. you're on woody |
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| 22:30.46 | control-c | Hi, has anyone got the wheel working on a serial mouse? |
| 22:30.46 | citral | rooo I managed to segfault irssi |
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| 22:30.54 | citral | \o/ |
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| 22:31.59 | stormshadow | could someone help me, i cant ftp my server |
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| 22:32.20 | citral | stormshadow: that's a little bit vague, some more infos? |
| 22:32.32 | popup_killer2005 | hi |
| 22:32.41 | popup_killer2005 | :) |
| 22:32.46 | popup_killer2005 | xd |
| 22:32.52 | citral | stormshadow: can you actually ping the server for example? |
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| 22:33.49 | stormshadow | citral: ok I try to connect to my server using cuteftp |
| 22:34.00 | stormshadow | yes, I can |
| 22:34.09 | stormshadow | i can ssh it |
| 22:34.15 | citral | stormshadow: what is the error message? |
| 22:34.23 | stormshadow | but not with domain name |
| 22:34.35 | stormshadow | i'll try it again |
| 22:35.07 | phogg | stormshadow: ssh to the server and look at your logs for your FTP daemon. |
| 22:35.57 | stormshadow | ok phogg |
| 22:36.02 | Vlat | anyone here with i810/830 integrated ? |
| 22:36.18 | citral | not a valid question |
| 22:36.28 | citral | try again :) |
| 22:36.42 | sippeter | I got some Zyklon B left from last time... |
| 22:36.48 | sippeter | Whoops, wrong window. |
| 22:36.59 | citral | ahem |
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| 22:37.26 | Vlat | erm...okay. "So, there're no people with laptop i810/830 integrated, wanted to share glxgears fps with me" %) |
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| 22:38.38 | Rawplayer | roooooooot |
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| 22:38.45 | ep | I just compiled mplayer, the dpkg install is now asking me to choose video ouput. It says it's important. xv or x11 ? |
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| 22:39.07 | python | i just installed enlightenment and for some reson its not an option in my kdm |
| 22:39.10 | citral | ep: try xv, if you have probelms edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 22:39.13 | python | ? any resones |
| 22:39.18 | python | or ideas |
| 22:39.57 | EvilSporkMan | has anyone experienced trouble with gaim using all available memory (including swap) when left unattended? It may be related to receving messages while away. I am using the testing package. |
| 22:40.08 | dondelelcaro | python: it wouldn't be. If you want to run it, add exec enlightenment; to your ~/.xsession; and use the Debian session |
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| 22:40.25 | dondelelcaro | EvilSporkMan: no, sounds like a serious memory leak |
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| 22:40.52 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: i have similar trouble with firefox |
| 22:40.55 | EvilSporkMan | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. However, fixing it isn't in gaim's changelog for 1.2.0...I guess it's off to #gaim I go |
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| 22:41.01 | GrayThunder | oh well, next question. why would rsync'ing a machine totally crash the sending computer? |
| 22:41.05 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: xorg? |
| 22:41.10 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: It might be gaim AND firefox....gaim only showed 59% memory usage |
| 22:41.18 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: Xfree86, I think...let me check |
| 22:41.34 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: in any case these are gtk2 |
| 22:41.42 | conrad_10781 | python you can also check this link. small tutorial on how someone else added it to kdm |
| 22:41.43 | conrad_10781 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/294926 |
| 22:41.47 | sippeter1 | Death to all Jews! |
| 22:41.56 | FieldySnuts | @ops sippeter being racist |
| 22:42.01 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sippeter being racist |
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| 22:42.09 | ningo | hat hier jemand ne altdeutsche font? |
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| 22:42.12 | jeffff | Can someone help me figure out what this means |
| 22:42.14 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 22:42.14 | jeffff | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:42.14 | jeffff | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.20 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: Xfree86 for sure |
| 22:42.27 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: distro? |
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| 22:42.34 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: debian testing |
| 22:42.42 | jeffff | what is not installable |
| 22:42.45 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: the same :)))) |
| 22:42.52 | dondelelcaro | jeffff: libavifile-0.7c102 |
| 22:42.54 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: maybe broken gtk2 packages |
| 22:42.57 | syg | chealer: yeah m-a way with unstable seems to have compiled. have to close x see ya later |
| 22:43.02 | stormshadow | phogg or citral im sorry I guess I more of a rookie than I thought, where can I find the logs for the ftp |
| 22:43.04 | Rawplayer | is it possible to change the MAC on a alias? |
| 22:43.09 | jeffff | err how do i make it installable |
| 22:43.10 | chealer | syg: cool :) |
| 22:43.10 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: let's wait another 3 years for sarge :) |
| 22:43.11 | dondelelcaro | jeffff: is this stable or testing? |
| 22:43.12 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: WM? any theme on GTK2? |
| 22:43.15 | citral | stormshadow: /var/log/ |
| 22:43.20 | FieldySnuts | Vlat: more like 5 |
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| 22:43.26 | phogg | stormshadow: depends on which ftp daemon you use, but they're all in /var/log |
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| 22:43.28 | stormshadow | oh yeah |
| 22:43.34 | GrayThunder | why would rsync'ing a machine totally crash the sending computer? |
| 22:43.37 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: openbox, gtk2 out-of-box (e.g. no theme) |
| 22:43.37 | smagy2 | hello folks, i just ran nmap on my system and i found that the services discard, time and daytime are listening on certain ports, do they really need to be there? can i shut those ports down? |
| 22:43.44 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: not that then |
| 22:43.50 | FieldySnuts | GrayThunder: never seen that, and I use rsync client and servers all over the place |
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| 22:44.02 | citral | smagy2: shut them up, edit /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:44.02 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: edit /etc/inetd.conf; and restart the inetd superserver. |
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| 22:44.26 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:44.29 | GrayThunder | FieldySnuts: happens every time on one particular machine, here |
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| 22:44.41 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: this would probably be a great thing to bugreport...not sure i can reproduce it though. |
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| 22:44.44 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: theme ? |
| 22:44.50 | smagy2 | dondelelcar: i know the conf which has these enteries, but what i do not know is what are they for and why they were open in the first place, would appreciate information on that |
| 22:45.05 | stormshadow | no signs of ftp anywhere |
| 22:45.16 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: they're old unix services... there's really not much harm in having them there, but almost no one uses them any more. |
| 22:45.26 | FarrisG | anybody know how to flush all (or just old) leases from dhcp3-server? |
| 22:45.29 | citral | stormshadow: if the service is not running, no wonder that you can't connect... |
| 22:45.34 | GrayThunder | 7 others work with rsync just fine (except i cant get --delete to work) |
| 22:45.37 | smagy2 | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 22:45.40 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: you don't. |
| 22:45.43 | FieldySnuts | FarrisG: remove the leases files, i forget where those are (restart before/after this) |
| 22:45.50 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: start gaim from xterm (for example). As Far As I Know it reports bug to stdout |
| 22:45.53 | caphuso | you can't live without discard, single most important network service ever! |
| 22:45.54 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: CortlandChicken, just switched |
| 22:45.54 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: the server is quite capable of handling old leases by itself... |
| 22:45.58 | FieldySnuts | note that I did NOT say the config |
| 22:46.06 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: erm... theme problem ? |
| 22:46.08 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: it reports segfaults...how's it going to report using all available memory? |
| 22:46.14 | caphuso | networking with it is like writing shell scripts without /dev/null ;-) |
| 22:46.15 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: Yes, I know it's supposed to be... But in my case, it isn't. |
| 22:46.20 | stormshadow | ok, but.... the daemon... |
| 22:46.22 | caphuso | err, without it, obviously |
| 22:46.23 | citral | caphuso: no, time is more important. :) |
| 22:46.24 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: I'm pretty sure this happened before |
| 22:46.27 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: in what way? |
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| 22:46.36 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: no direct way. use gdb & symbol browser |
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| 22:46.42 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: the lease file will always have the old leases. In fact, it will have all possible leases. |
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| 22:46.52 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: while it's hogging all my RAM? |
| 22:46.54 | caphuso | citral: i prefer qotd over time |
| 22:46.55 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: and enable cores of courser :) |
| 22:47.03 | citral | oh yeah |
| 22:47.07 | caphuso | i really need to fix mine |
| 22:47.07 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: erm... it's specific |
| 22:47.14 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: it's not segfaulting, so I don't see why it would dump core |
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| 22:47.24 | TaiKek | hi, good evening |
| 22:47.26 | FieldySnuts | @fix caphuso |
| 22:47.29 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: Well, I have two machines using this particular dhcp server. They're able to get their IP, but after that they have no connectivity. It's very strange, and I'm highly unmotivated because these are windows clients |
| 22:47.40 | citral | heh |
| 22:47.41 | TaiKek | I´m looking for an opensource tool, someone may help me? |
| 22:47.48 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: are you're programmer ? |
| 22:47.52 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: yessir |
| 22:47.56 | TaiKek | ? |
| 22:47.57 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: and it works if you use winipcfg and get a new lease? |
| 22:47.58 | citral | TaiKek: uh? |
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| 22:48.11 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: that really has nothing to do with the dhcp server... unless you're setting wierd options or something |
| 22:48.13 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: great! so, look for LDT |
| 22:48.14 | FieldySnuts | FarrisG: sometimes windows clients screw up and manage to remember fragments of a MAC addy in arp cache, i think you can flush that via arp or something (win side) |
| 22:48.16 | caphuso | TaiKek: i think it would be highly helpful if you told us what that tool should do |
| 22:48.23 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: search for a gaim |
| 22:48.26 | FieldySnuts | FarrisG: then they tend to not get an address for a while |
| 22:48.34 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: No, that's just it. No matter how many times I release/renew on the client, it always gets that IP and it always refuses to connect thereafter :) |
| 22:48.36 | citral | TaiKek: nmap |
| 22:48.40 | TaiKek | citral: i´ll start a project of a tool like delphi for linux |
| 22:48.53 | TaiKek | citral: i´m student of computer science |
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| 22:49.01 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: ok, so it's connecting and getting an ip... then your problem is elsewhere, either with the stack on the windows box, or the router. |
| 22:49.15 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: I'm absolutely convinced this is a dhcp server issue because if I plug the NIC into a different switch with a different dhcp server altogether, it will work fine on that network |
| 22:49.37 | TaiKek | citral: but i like to know if already is there anything opensource like that (none kylix) |
| 22:49.38 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: I'd love to be proved wrong, though, if it means getting these winders users off my back :) |
| 22:49.38 | Vlat | EvilSporkMan: hopefully gaim process appears in local descriptor table as "gaim", nothing more |
| 22:49.38 | FieldySnuts | from my experience i'd suspect windows first (see my previous statement) |
| 22:49.56 | EvilSporkMan | Vlat: ah |
| 22:49.56 | jez | can anybody suggest why flash appears to be unable to render text for me? I have the package flashplayer-mozilla and am using firefox. |
| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: it's not. If winipcfg is giving you an IP with the proper network configuration, then the DHCP server is working correctly. |
| 22:49.59 | TaiKek | citral: ? |
| 22:50.20 | citral | TaiKek: I'm not a developper, but I think you are looking for something like cvs |
| 22:50.21 | mrhemlock | FarrisG, try another nic card |
| 22:50.34 | TaiKek | cvs? |
| 22:50.42 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: that's all the DHCP server does. It hands out ips, and gateway configuration.. if it's done that, and the network still isn't working, then either the configuration being handed out is bogus, or something else is screwed up. |
| 22:50.44 | citral | hrm no forget that |
| 22:50.52 | FieldySnuts | clear the arp cache on windows. just try it |
| 22:51.13 | jeffff | can someone help me install libavifile |
| 22:51.26 | dondelelcaro | jeffff: is this stable or testing? |
| 22:51.38 | citral | TaiKek: I don't know delphi. I see on the web site it's an integrated development environment. Is that what you're looking for? and for which language? |
| 22:51.41 | jeffff | not sure where it will be |
| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | jeffff: you've got to answer the questions that are asked, otherwise no one will be able to help you. |
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| 22:51.51 | jeffff | ok |
| 22:51.53 | jeffff | hang on |
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| 22:52.24 | jeffff | it is unstable |
| 22:52.43 | dondelelcaro | !+depends transcode |
| 22:52.44 | dpkg | Package 'transcode' does not exist. |
| 22:52.50 | statickaos | is it possible to have any mail your system sends locally redirected to lets say an email address @gmail.com ? |
| 22:53.02 | TaiKek | citral: well, I pretend to build that for c++ |
| 22:53.26 | dondelelcaro | jeffff: uh, transcode isn't in Debian. |
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| 22:53.38 | TaiKek | i wanna build an IDE for linux, but i need to know if already there is one |
| 22:53.47 | TaiKek | to start from that point |
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| 22:54.17 | TaiKek | it´s my research to finish the course |
| 22:54.20 | dondelelcaro | TaiKek: there really isn't a point to one... almost everyone serious uses the gnutoolchain or just an editor. |
| 22:54.29 | FieldySnuts | amen |
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| 22:54.40 | FieldySnuts | ide's are for windows kids and mac loons |
| 22:54.42 | nik_ | hiya |
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| 22:55.11 | Vlat | TaiKek: you need to WRITE IDE for Linux ?? |
| 22:55.12 | Grock | hi, quick question about something that seems possible to me, namely compiling source code in a way that I can do final install step with dpkg -i foo.deb, purpose being keeping track of file with synaptic, I'm hoping that there's something similar to make-kpkg kernel_image. Anyone know how to do it? |
| 22:55.16 | nik_ | i have to deal with an ati radeon - http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/Linux_ATI.html#SECTION000131000000000000000 - but cant find this "vmalloc patch" ...where to get it? |
| 22:55.26 | serialkiller | anyone around? |
| 22:55.26 | serialkiller | how do i debuga seg fault? |
| 22:55.34 | citral | well I can't help more, emacs and g++ are my IDE for school... |
| 22:55.36 | TaiKek | Vlat: I wanna build one, if dont exist anyone |
| 22:55.49 | TaiKek | Vlat: yes, write if I nedd |
| 22:55.52 | TaiKek | ops need |
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| 22:56.01 | dondelelcaro | Grock: see the nm guide... that'll help you along. A Debian package is nothing more than a set of scripts that build the package. |
| 22:56.01 | Vlat | TaiKek: there are tens of these |
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| 22:56.15 | raf256 | how should I install Java (for FireFox) in debina? |
| 22:56.25 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: build a binary with -g -O0 and don't strip it, then run gdb on it. |
| 22:56.29 | Grock | dondelelcaro: what is the nm guide? |
| 22:56.30 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 22:56.30 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:56.31 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: I know the configuration it's handing out isn't bogus. I also know that the stack/config on the windows client isn't totally screwed because if it gets an IP from a different dhcp server on a different network, everything works |
| 22:56.34 | dondelelcaro | Grock: see above |
| 22:56.34 | raf256 | I downloaded and installed Java JRE from sun.com, now how to "connect" it to FireFox? |
| 22:56.34 | citral | debina, that's original :) |
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| 22:56.43 | dondelelcaro | FarrisG: sure, but for how long? |
| 22:56.46 | Grock | ohhh |
| 22:56.50 | cavediver | Anyone familiar with dm-crypt ? |
| 22:56.54 | FieldySnuts | FarrisG: damnit for the third time, *flush the arp cache on the windows side* |
| 22:56.57 | serialkiller | dondelelcaro : binary is already compiled. Not mine, was writen for redhat |
| 22:56.58 | FarrisG | dondelelcaro: Going on two weeks now |
| 22:56.59 | FieldySnuts | i've seen this crap before |
| 22:57.32 | FieldySnuts | "written for redhat"? |
| 22:57.33 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: good luck fixing it then |
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| 22:57.34 | FarrisG | FieldySnuts: Sorry, I did not see that before |
| 22:57.44 | serialkiller | its a glib prob i think |
| 22:57.58 | FieldySnuts | doubt that |
| 22:58.04 | dondelelcaro | serialkiller: you can't even *BEGIN* to tell until you have a debuggable binary |
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| 22:59.22 | mrhemlock | !botsnack |
| 22:59.23 | dpkg | :), mrhemlock |
| 22:59.35 | citral | penguins have landed |
| 23:00.19 | Grock | wow that's really thorough, it doesn't apply to my situation, I'm not a Maintainer |
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| 23:01.02 | Grock | is there something like make-kpkg I can do for some sources other than kernel sources? |
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| 23:01.34 | mrhemlock | Grock, apt-get -b source PackageName |
| 23:01.38 | dondelelcaro | Grock: sure it does. That's how you actually build packages. It even talks about the first step, dh_make which is probably what you want to use. |
| 23:01.48 | karsten | Grock: Yes. It's called APT. |
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| 23:02.39 | Grock | hmm so I go to the source directory and type ??? to make the .deb package? |
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| 23:03.09 | karsten | Grock: make-kpkg is about creating a Debian package from kernel sources. APT is the general solution of creating a package from project sources. There are tools to convert from other formats (tar, rpm, etc.) to DEB. |
| 23:03.27 | karsten | Grock: It's a tad more complex than that. There's New Maintainer docs at http://www.debian.org/ |
| 23:04.01 | legis | Is ensoniq a creative driver? |
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| 23:04.32 | Grock | karsten: I remember reading somewhere that it's really simple, something like dpkg-buildpackage blah |
| 23:04.34 | citral | it's a firm afaik |
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| 23:05.33 | karsten | Grock: I'm not a package maintainer, I'm probably not the best person to ask. As I said though, there's lots of docs on this. |
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| 23:06.04 | legis | citral: ensoiq and creative are related? |
| 23:06.12 | Grock | I'm not against installing the sources with make config etc... I just was hoping there was a debian way. |
| 23:06.37 | karsten | Grock: There is. |
| 23:07.04 | Grock | but I have to read 100pages of manual first? |
| 23:07.05 | mathieu | packaging is alot of work if you want to do it good. installing in /usr/local is easier |
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| 23:07.34 | karsten | Grock: Well, there's an alternative. |
| 23:07.41 | mathieu | you might search for existing packages first |
| 23:07.46 | mathieu | on unofficial repositories |
| 23:08.40 | Grock | it's for wlan-ng usb wireless kernel module |
| 23:08.40 | karsten | Grock: You can have me wait for my slammed dialup line to free up, let me run a Google search, read 100 pages of docs, and read them back to you. |
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| 23:08.40 | davis | bummer. i am trying to install mythtv using the debian packages and it is complaining about the Access is denied to the mysql database. I gave it the root password and login info, but it does not work. I have never setup mysql before so I don't know why the password would be different. |
| 23:08.41 | citral | tschuss |
| 23:08.41 | karsten | Grock: kernel modules == make-kpkg. Patch it in. |
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| 23:08.52 | asg | !tell root___ about root |
| 23:08.55 | Grock | karsten: that sounds interesting |
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| 23:09.29 | mathieu | davis, try "mysqladmin password" to set the first-time password |
| 23:09.42 | davis | mathieu: thanks |
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| 23:09.52 | asg | davis: the mysql root password and the superuser password are different. (see /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian{.gz} for info on how to set mysql's root password) |
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| 23:10.03 | McLamb | man apt-get update |
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| 23:10.47 | Grock | karsten: I read about that it said use make-kpkg module-install which defaulted to the directory of /usr/src/modules and then would install any module package it found there but I don't have the module package I have the module source?? |
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| 23:10.50 | davis | mathieu: that was the trick thanks. |
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| 23:10.56 | serialkiller | anyway to uncompile a binary? |
| 23:11.05 | ryan_ | is dhcpd 2 authoritative by default? |
| 23:11.06 | bobgray | how do i burn cds on a ide burner with kernel 2.6? |
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| 23:11.13 | bobgray | cdrecord -scanbus isn't showing my drive |
| 23:11.36 | asg | bobgray: does 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus' work? |
| 23:11.47 | Grock | karsten: and it needs to be configured so is there still a debian way? |
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| 23:12.06 | karsten | Grock: First: I may be wrong on this. Get kernel source. Get module source. If the module is patches on an existing module, patch it. If it's a freestanding tree, move it to the right location. Build. |
| 23:12.11 | bobgray | asg: ah, i was trying dev=atapi |
| 23:12.24 | kneecaps | whats a good ipv6 intro document? |
| 23:12.25 | asg | Grock: yes, by building a debian/rules file (as the nm guide instructs) |
| 23:12.26 | karsten | Grock: You can use your existing config from /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 23:12.27 | Grock | it's freestanding |
| 23:12.43 | karsten | Grock: I don't typically do that, others here may correct details. |
| 23:12.43 | asg | Grock: eeep, disregard that |
| 23:12.44 | Grock | oh the module needs config |
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| 23:13.00 | odine | trying to build the nvidia graphics drivers.... following the directions per dpkg nvidia-howto.. at the point where i run apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx but its trying to install a 2.4 kernel.. i wanna use 2.6 |
| 23:13.02 | odine | ? |
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| 23:13.24 | EvilSporkMan | how do I get just one or two packages from experimental? |
| 23:13.27 | asg | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 23:13.35 | asg | EvilSporkMan: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 23:13.38 | Grock | the kernel compiled fine but adding the new module was beyond my comprehension of the make-kpkg man page |
| 23:13.56 | EvilSporkMan | asg: I just want up-to-date gaim... |
| 23:14.01 | PerfDave | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 23:14.02 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167, xserver-common (>= 4.0.3), xlibmesa-glu | libglu | libglu1, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 23:14.09 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:14.14 | Grock | it seem's like suck a simple thing |
| 23:14.16 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: testing |
| 23:14.16 | Grock | such |
| 23:14.41 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: What makes you think there's a more recent version of gaim in experimental? |
| 23:14.47 | asg | EvilSporkMan: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 23:14.50 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: somebody in #gaim |
| 23:14.52 | EvilSporkMan | asg: did that |
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| 23:15.34 | davis | welp, i got the pasowrd working and mythtv installed via the debs. |
| 23:15.37 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: *shrug* Read the APT documentation, though I suspect you'll want to backport rather than try to install a binary package. I would recommend just waiting for the package to filter into testing though. |
| 23:15.37 | davis | but, when I run mythtv at prompt, it flashes and the segfaults. |
| 23:15.40 | davis | dpkg-reconfigure mythtv does nothing. |
| 23:15.44 | chealer | EvilSporkMan: what version do you want? |
| 23:15.56 | Grock | well thanks anyway looks like i need to go read another book |
| 23:15.57 | asg | EvilSporkMan: then you download them install them, usually break your system, and don't come here and complain. (see the developer's reference for more information on experimental) |
| 23:16.03 | davis | i am worried that maybe I need to change the setting to the hostname instead of localhost |
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| 23:16.28 | EvilSporkMan | chealer: 1.2.0...i'm getting a memory leak with 1.1.4 and if upgrading makes it go away I'm a happy man |
| 23:16.37 | chealer | EvilSporkMan: just use unstable's |
| 23:16.45 | davis | mathieu: thanks for the help btw. I appreciate it. |
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| 23:16.53 | digital__ | gn :) |
| 23:16.55 | slackd00d | why when i get a new kernel source and run make menuconfig it seems to load a default .config but i dont see a .config anywhere in the kernel-source tree? |
| 23:17.00 | chealer | odine: looks like your module-assistant step failes |
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| 23:17.07 | chealer | s/failes/failed |
| 23:17.14 | d3s | how can I make that every time I use adduser, the use will automatically join a "users" group? |
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| 23:17.29 | EvilSporkMan | chealer: blasted package maintainers and their habit of upgrading when i'm not looking...<g> |
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| 23:17.39 | travisat | slackd00d: maybe because that is just they way it works? |
| 23:17.39 | Enkahel | 'hi |
| 23:17.40 | asg | d3s: man adduser (there is an option to have a shell script run) |
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| 23:17.55 | odine | chealer, ya |
| 23:18.03 | bobyboy | hi, i upgraded my system to new kde, but it held on to old 2.2 configuration. is there a way to install new 3.3 kde configuration during the install? |
| 23:18.07 | odine | hrmmmm |
| 23:18.10 | chealer | odine: so tell us the problem/error instead |
| 23:18.22 | slackd00d | travisat: oh really? its not reading from a config somewhere or something? |
| 23:18.29 | chealer | bobyboy: what's your release? |
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| 23:18.43 | bobyboy | woody, but i upgraded to "testing" |
| 23:18.49 | khanman | how do i get CIFS file support for sarge (2.6.8 kernel)? im trying to mount win2k3 shares under samba and evidently the smbFS doesnt support packet signing but cifs does...however searching for cifs i find no kernel patch |
| 23:19.01 | odine | no problem really.. when apt-get -t unstable nvidia-glx it wants to install a 2.4 series kernel.. i dont want a 2.4 series... |
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| 23:19.10 | chealer | bobyboy: hum...how do you upgrade? |
| 23:19.14 | travisat | slackd00d: I think those are the default.....what you would get if you didn't make menuconfig before make |
| 23:19.30 | chealer | khanman: I believe it's built-in |
| 23:19.39 | bobyboy | chealer, i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:20.12 | chealer | EvilSporkMan: AFAIK gaim 1.2.0 has never been in experimental. always check packages.debian.org |
| 23:20.20 | khanman | chealer: i cant man cifs or anything..where do i find the documentation for mounting samba shares using it? |
| 23:20.25 | nvz | bobyboy: of course it "held on to the 2.2 config" debian packages are not allowed to remove items from your system. and the kde2 and kde3 don't even keep their configs in the same place |
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| 23:21.19 | chealer | nvz: how do you know a package won't upgrade cleanly? |
| 23:21.23 | khanman | n/m ill google it |
| 23:21.29 | mathieu | davis, np |
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| 23:22.09 | bobyboy | nvz, if kde3 keeps config files in different places, why is that i see old configuration in kde2? i'm thinking maybe the upgrade went bad or something. |
| 23:22.14 | chealer | khanman: man mount.cifs |
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| 23:22.22 | nvz | chealer: because kde2.x keeps its configs in /etc/kde2/ and ~/.kde/ and kde3.x keeps them in /etc/kde3/ and ~/.kde/ and its against debian police for a package to remove any configuration files without being --purged |
| 23:22.24 | khanman | tnx chealer |
| 23:22.29 | slackd00d | travisat: ok i found the culprit....its reading the config-2.6.8 from /boot |
| 23:22.39 | markcosmosfreak | hi my name is marco and i have a dude about knoppix |
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| 23:22.56 | markcosmosfreak | how i can install knoppix in my hard disk? |
| 23:22.59 | travisat | slackd00d: its probably reading what is currently being used |
| 23:23.01 | asg | markcosmosfreak: #knoppix |
| 23:23.02 | nvz | bobyboy: kde3 configs are in /etc/kde3/ where as the old ones are in /etc/kde2/ |
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| 23:23.14 | Kruqziva | Want free linux shell with 1GB storage? Visit #linux-shells for more info. |
| 23:23.20 | asg | Kruqziva: no, piss off |
| 23:23.30 | nvz | s/police/policy/ |
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| 23:24.11 | travisat | nvz: you betta watcha back or da debian po po gunna getcha |
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| 23:24.18 | chealer | bobyboy: so what you want is to reset your KDE config? |
| 23:24.36 | nvz | travisat: fuck the police (: |
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| 23:24.44 | asg | !wb Guerin |
| 23:24.45 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Guerin has returned! |
| 23:25.14 | bobyboy | chealer, i want default kde3 configruation. |
| 23:25.25 | Kruqziva | Want free linux shell with 1GB storage? Visit #linux-shells for more info. |
| 23:25.28 | bobyboy | chealer, and find out why i still see my kde2 config in kde3 |
| 23:25.31 | nvz | I own the police around here. Its about politics :P |
| 23:25.43 | asg | !ops Kruqziva troll advertisements for linux shells |
| 23:25.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Kruqziva troll advertisements for linux shells |
| 23:25.54 | chealer | odine: what I was saying is that if apt-get install nvidia-glx does that, it must be because module-assistant failes |
| 23:25.57 | nvz | they could come and get me, but I would be back home tonight, and they'd be lokoing for a new job |
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| 23:26.13 | asg | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:26.25 | travisat | hmm a gb of free shell |
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| 23:27.17 | MobyTurbo | travisat: you probably can't do anything with it unless you pay $ |
| 23:27.29 | khanman | chealer: tnx bud got the info i needed and now i can mount win2k3 shares...WOOHOO! |
| 23:27.59 | chealer | khanman: nice, I've only tried with smb4k yet which has quite experimental support for CIFS |
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| 23:28.49 | khanman | chealer: ive been using smb4k ...great tool..but it wont mount to the win2k3 box...hopefully they will add in cifs support..i had to mount it from shell |
| 23:29.19 | chealer | khanman: there's CIFS support in 0.5, but it's hardly usable |
| 23:29.25 | Guerin | !beer asg |
| 23:29.35 | sussudio | !bear Guerin |
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| 23:30.32 | khanman | chealer: running .0.5.1 and like i said i wouldnt work on the win2k3 box...the other windows boxes on my domain would mount fine (win2k and winxp) |
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| 23:32.40 | chealer | khanman: ok, it might be a bug then. I've already reported them one about CIFS though, and it's not fixed yet |
| 23:33.10 | Guerin | aww, cute widdle panda |
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| 23:34.12 | pmcdonnell | Can anyone recommend a HOWTO on setting up SMTP-AUTH with Postfix on Sarge? |
| 23:34.23 | nvz | is there anything that can be done to powersave on a linux desktop, short of turning the monitor off, or turning the pc off? heh |
| 23:34.34 | Enkahel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.36 | sussudio | nvz: trained badgers |
| 23:34.40 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.42 | nvz | er |
| 23:34.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.48 | Enkahel | One of this partition, the last on disk (physically I mean) is a NTFS partition (80Gb), but its content doesn't really matter... The problem is about the other one, FAT32 type, used to keep all my work and share it with my colleages (30 Gb)... As long as as it's possible, I must retrieve those data if I don't want to loose 1 year and a half of : University projects, Personnal Data, photos, Resume, etc... |
| 23:34.57 | nvz | got my smily backwards |
| 23:35.04 | Enkahel | For now on, the situation is like this : I have extended space with no partition in it, and a huge empty and partition-less space of 120Gb... Is there any manner to retrieve my data with linux tools ? which one ? what is the percentage of luck that I retrieve my data ? |
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| 23:35.14 | Delph | Enkahel: if you really worried, find a data recovery merchant before you break it anymore =:) |
| 23:35.20 | Enkahel | Sorry, to bother you with this, I know your time precious... :( |
| 23:35.43 | ced | ok, so dont ask again ; ) |
| 23:35.57 | chealer | nvz: I have my monitor "turning off" (suspend?) automatically, at least. |
| 23:36.16 | thingfish | Agreed with Delph, Enkahel. There are professionals who can recover almost anything. You have to give them a lot of money, of course. |
| 23:36.26 | davis | hmm. |
| 23:36.34 | Delph | Enkahel: if you dont know how your disk was partitioned before you started (like, exactly) then you're unlikely to get it back in one piece. |
| 23:36.59 | davis | even if I change the hostname to the proper value, I still can not get mythtv user to get permissions to the database. |
| 23:37.01 | Delph | Enkahel: <insert standard message about offsite backups) |
| 23:37.25 | davis | mysqladmin password xxxx worked and thus it allowed me to finish the install. |
| 23:37.26 | thingfish | Enkahel has learned the value of the Golden Rule of Computing (if it's important, have it backed up). |
| 23:37.28 | Delph | Enkahel: yeah, it's an *absolute* shaft to have that done, but they can get most things back. |
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| 23:37.49 | usn | hi all |
| 23:37.50 | nvz | chealer: na, I turn mine off, and logout when I leave.. but my mother is one of them people who see things in black and white, and its easier for me to make my pc appear off, then to explain to her there is a grey area in life... she was down here turning off crap earlier .. heh this light I keep on so my brother can get back and forth to his room safely, only uses 13watts, its a florescent light.. and she turned that off, as though it would help |
| 23:37.57 | davis | however, this command fails: mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| 23:38.12 | davis | it says access denied for user root@localhost |
| 23:38.19 | davis | using password NO |
| 23:38.39 | Enkahel | Delph, yes, I remember basically how the partions were set, prob is that I don't know any recovery tool for linux... |
| 23:38.41 | Guerin | davis: see what it's trying to do, and/or set a password |
| 23:38.59 | Enkahel | some friends told me about GetDataBack, but it's a Windows software |
| 23:38.59 | Delph | davis: well, you set a password (see your mysqladmin password command above) but you're not giving it a password when you pile that sql into mysql. |
| 23:39.03 | nvz | the real reason the electric is so high is the 1875watt electric heaters they run, and the fact that my mother things things only have two settings, off and high. |
| 23:39.23 | davis | Delph: that makes sense. |
| 23:39.28 | foureyes779_ | heh |
| 23:39.33 | Delph | davis: so man mysql and see what you get out. |
| 23:39.35 | slocate | i sit possible to use a cdrw w/scsi emulation in the 2.4.* kernels? |
| 23:39.36 | sparr_ | I just installed Apache. Im only interested in a basic web server to start out. Can anyone recommend a tutorial that starts with the obvious starting steps (like removing the redirect from / to /apache2-default, that took me like 10 minutes of documentation-digging to figure out) that most users will need to take? |
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| 23:39.40 | kulk | s |
| 23:39.46 | davis | it does say at the end of the command (Using passord: NO) |
| 23:39.55 | slocate | i sit possible to use a cdrw _w/o_ scsi emulation in the 2.4.* kernels? |
| 23:39.59 | nvz | but again, its easier to cooperate with her misdirected efforts than explain to her how it really works |
| 23:40.02 | Delph | davis: yes. you need to pass it a password. |
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| 23:41.17 | davis | Delph: it appears the mythtv-database deb already crated the database. |
| 23:41.41 | slocate | is it possible to use a cdrw _w/o_ scsi emulation in the 2.4.* kernels? |
| 23:42.06 | simonrvn | @tell slocate -about repeat |
| 23:42.07 | Delph | davis: well, then ask the mythtv-database deb what it did, because i dont know. |
| 23:42.32 | slocate | sorry |
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| 23:43.13 | chealer | nvz: hehe, did you check http://www.suspend2.net/ ? my friend uses it, I think this is what you want |
| 23:43.49 | nvz | chealer: well the main two reasons I leave it on, is to keep continuous logs, and so that I dont have to wait for it to boot when I need to use it. |
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| 23:44.13 | nvz | chealer: so if I have it logging, its not going to suspend, and if its forced to, it disrupts the logging |
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| 23:44.26 | chealer | nvz: so you're looking for something that only turns off the lights? maybe unplug them from the mobo :) |
| 23:44.44 | timmeh | er quick question what was the command to make a directory |
| 23:44.46 | p0rky | halo im trying to install php5 on debian.. but i cant just get it run |
| 23:44.47 | timmeh | i jsut forgot >.< |
| 23:44.54 | p0rky | can anybody help me? |
| 23:45.11 | m0p | Whats the problem? |
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| 23:45.19 | p0rky | make directory mkdir |
| 23:46.27 | nvz | chealer: na just wondering if there is anything that would give my mother peace of mind.. I know the machine cant pull anymore than 250WATTs max while I am out.. and probably runs at more like 125Watts, and they run electric heaters that use over 5000watts total, so I am fairly certain nothing I do will change anything. |
| 23:46.36 | chealer | nvz:ah I misunderstood your question |
| 23:46.43 | p0rky | im installed apache, installed mysql, installed make, installed bison, installed flex.. installed libpng, libjpeg.. configure php5 with mysql, make and make install, set php ini, set httpd.conf but it just not running |
| 23:46.44 | nvz | I've got a single expansion card, and a hard drive, no case fans. no lights, nothing |
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| 23:46.59 | p0rky | if i try a php script it will only downloading |
| 23:47.17 | Ronin` | damn it |
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| 23:48.24 | p0rky | can anybody help me? |
| 23:48.30 | chealer | nvz: if you need to keep the HDD running, I don't see what could help you |
| 23:48.42 | nvz | I keep turning on the gas furnace in the basement, and setting it to low, it has a thermostat, and is currently not using any gas, as its warm in here.. but she keeps when it gets cold, she blasts shit up to 100% then she turns it completly off, and waits for it to get below zero and blasts it again.. and this is whats costing money. if you set thet things at a sane level, they will maintian temperature at minimal cost. |
| 23:49.09 | chealer | @php |
| 23:49.10 | ravenbird | it has been said that php is not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in http.conf. Get php3-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from http.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule ... |
| 23:49.23 | chealer | how do you see the rest of the factoid? |
| 23:49.35 | nvz | chealer: + |
| 23:49.49 | resiak | @tell chealer -about php |
| 23:49.51 | p0rky | no its php5 and its actually to be .php |
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| 23:50.06 | p0rky | and i installed it from source |
| 23:50.07 | opitzs | hi all |
| 23:50.15 | m0p | I have installed Win2k on a seperate disk (so I can play FarCry without downloading Loki's 50mb installer, which is huge in dialup proportions). But whenever I try to mount it, I get a bad superblock or too many mounted filesystems error. Anyone got any clues? |
| 23:50.16 | chealer | thanks resiak |
| 23:50.29 | chealer | p0rky: did you restart your browser? |
| 23:50.42 | p0rky | yes restart browser |
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| 23:50.56 | nvz | like the other day when I told her to order a large pizza, I was on my way to pick it up, I get there and she had ordered two smalls, which was the most uneconomical way to do it. |
| 23:51.11 | m0p | If anyone wants, I could show you the drive's line in fstab, if it would help. |
| 23:51.25 | chealer | nvz: hehehe |
| 23:51.29 | nvz | I feel like I am working with the handicapped |
| 23:51.56 | chealer | my mother uses firefox and thunderbird :) |
| 23:52.11 | opitzs | I have a question, 3 users, all with a german KDE, all using firefox in german. How can one of them change his firefox to english language menus? |
| 23:52.58 | p0rky | i have this line in my httpd. conf LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so |
| 23:52.59 | chealer | opitzs: man mozilla-firefox |
| 23:53.10 | p0rky | thats okay isnt it? |
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| 23:53.23 | nvz | oh well I am going to quit bitching and go somewhere. |
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| 23:54.23 | chealer | nvz: how do you use + with ravenbird exactly? |
| 23:54.34 | m0p | "/dev/sdb /windows/c ntfs ro,user 0 0" is the line that my Win2k partition has in fstab. I have created the mount point folder. But it just won't mount! It says "Bad superblock or too many mounted filesystems!" whenever I try and mount it. It does the same thing with both kernel 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 |
| 23:54.48 | p0rky | but its not working.. im tottaly depressed |
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| 23:55.10 | opitzs | thanks chealer, now I feel stupid, I looked for language, should have looked for locale... :( but thanks anyway :) |
| 23:55.14 | ayecee | m0p, it's probably /dev/sdb1, or something like that.. /dev/sdb is the name for the entire disk. |
| 23:55.33 | m0p | I only have one partition on the aforementioned Windows disk. |
| 23:55.33 | p0rky | someone here have any experience installed a php5 on debian? |
| 23:55.41 | m0p | I will try sdb1 though. Be right back! |
| 23:55.44 | ayecee | m0p, right, so it's probably /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:55.48 | thingfish | so then /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:56.54 | d3s | I setup my ssh and got this error "Permission Denied (public key)", where should I paste complete sshd -ddd? |
| 23:57.14 | resiak | !tell d3s -about paste |
| 23:57.15 | m0p | ok, it's mounted! wow, I am stupid! |
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| 23:58.31 | thingfish | you're probably not too stupid. Truly stupid people don't know they're stupid. |
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