| 00:00.19 | m0p | Damnit, only root can view the contents! And a normal user can only mount it :( |
| 00:00.49 | m0p | I have chmod'd it to allow users view contents but not write (Don't wanna corrupt my poor NTFS partition) |
| 00:00.54 | ayecee | m0p, probably need a "umask" option in there, like "umask=0000" |
| 00:01.10 | m0p | elaborate. |
| 00:01.11 | opitzs | m0p: you mounted it read only anaway :) |
| 00:01.13 | ayecee | you wouldn't be able to write to it anyways :) |
| 00:01.17 | m0p | true |
| 00:01.28 | m0p | And the NTFS drivers is set up as read only :P |
| 00:01.45 | ayecee | m0p, in the same place where you have "default,user" |
| 00:02.03 | m0p | ok |
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| 00:02.08 | opitzs | m0p: maybe a chown is enough... |
| 00:02.21 | ayecee | chown won't work. |
| 00:02.35 | Vlat | today tried X.org && xcomposite |
| 00:02.42 | Vlat | disgusting |
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| 00:03.07 | CroatianNinja | what is xcomposite? |
| 00:03.19 | d3s | i pasted it on channels.debian.net/paste but no debian channel.. I chose #floof |
| 00:03.26 | d3s | s/floof/flood |
| 00:03.33 | m0p | CroatianNinja, an extension for X.org |
| 00:03.41 | Vlat | CroatianNinja: a lot of anything, but currently only shadows & transparency |
| 00:03.46 | m0p | Yay! works now! /me hugs the channel |
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| 00:04.08 | CroatianNinja | m0p, is it just some eye candy? |
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| 00:04.33 | m0p | yup, transparency and shadows as said above :P |
| 00:04.54 | m0p | Never tried it myself, but I don't think it currently has any use unless you want a pretty desktop |
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| 00:05.28 | Vlat | the problem is not they're disgusting. the problem is they're fscking SLOW even on fast gfx card |
| 00:05.35 | Vlat | slow & buggy |
| 00:05.39 | JoshH | m0p: it could be useful to see a web page underneath a transparent terminal or something. :) |
| 00:05.42 | mrgenixus | hey say you completely obliterated /var/lib/dpkg/available how would yo go about replacing it? |
| 00:05.50 | abrotman | use the backup |
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| 00:06.06 | mrgenixus | abrotman: where is it? |
| 00:06.06 | CroatianNinja | m0p, have you seen the luminosity videos? |
| 00:06.16 | mrgenixus | CroatianNinja: I've seen them |
| 00:06.19 | mrgenixus | that're sic |
| 00:06.25 | CroatianNinja | hell yeah |
| 00:06.27 | Vlat | CroatianNinja: tried today :) |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | mrgenixus: /var/lib/dpkg/ ... look in there |
| 00:06.37 | Vlat | CroatianNinja: not bad, but fscking unstable |
| 00:06.42 | m0p | CroatianNinja, nope |
| 00:06.45 | mrgenixus | abrotman: available-old? doesn't work |
| 00:07.04 | dondelelcaro | d3s: it would be useful to see the messages from the client as well. |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | what did oyu do? |
| 00:07.04 | CroatianNinja | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html |
| 00:07.07 | m0p | JoshH, true. |
| 00:07.22 | CroatianNinja | afk |
| 00:07.25 | serialkiller | anyone play avp2? |
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| 00:07.32 | mrgenixus | I dunno. I was running my laptop on battery and installing packages and it poweered off in the middle of configuration |
| 00:07.33 | m0p | :D Xcomposite screenies!? :D:D *gets excited* |
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| 00:07.59 | Vlat | and there no the trick guy did not enabled composite for the screens |
| 00:07.59 | mrgenixus | what does available do? |
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| 00:08.41 | caphuso | mrgenixus: 1) run "dselect update" and 2) it contains informations about all available packages and used by a variety of tools (dpkg, for example) |
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| 00:09.05 | d3s | dondelelcaro: I got Permission Denied (public key) from client side |
| 00:09.09 | caphuso | for some weird reason it's not used by APT and aptitude though |
| 00:09.20 | mrgenixus | caphuso: hmm |
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| 00:09.28 | mrgenixus | is this the same as apt-get update? |
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| 00:09.55 | dondelelcaro | d3s: there should be more output than that, especially if you run with -vv |
| 00:09.58 | caphuso | mrgenixus: no. it updates your available file too |
| 00:10.06 | dondelelcaro | d3s: what exactly are you trying to do, by the way... |
| 00:10.16 | mrgenixus | caphuso: then my problem is bigger than that |
| 00:11.05 | caphuso | Package: acroread |
| 00:11.07 | caphuso | Installed-Size: 96620 |
| 00:11.26 | caphuso | sorry, but... WHAT THE FUCK? |
| 00:12.26 | ayecee | what about it? |
| 00:12.43 | serialkiller | anyone know a easy way to conver vb to c++ ? |
| 00:12.53 | caphuso | Package: xpdf-reader |
| 00:12.54 | caphuso | Installed-Size: 1740 |
| 00:12.55 | mrgenixus | caphuso: http://www.pastebin.com/262319 |
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| 00:13.07 | ayecee | oh, that's k, not bytes. |
| 00:13.11 | ayecee | yikes. |
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| 00:13.18 | mrgenixus | this is dpkg --configure -a 2> /stdout |
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| 00:13.28 | mrgenixus | or /dev/stdout |
| 00:13.30 | d3s | I;m trying a new sshd_config using http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ssh.html |
| 00:13.31 | mrgenixus | as it were |
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| 00:13.40 | Unified | i've seen some screenshots where, for example, the syslog is printed on an x11 desktop. how can i do that? |
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| 00:14.04 | caphuso | mrgenixus: the "Exec format error" stuff is the thing to worry about |
| 00:14.19 | cafe_roy | serialkiller: gambas is nearest it gets |
| 00:14.29 | mrgenixus | caphuso: ok, so how do I fix it? |
| 00:14.44 | idnar | Unified: transparent terminal running tail -f /var/log/syslog? :P |
| 00:14.59 | caphuso | mrgenixus: good question |
| 00:15.02 | Unified | but what about the window decorations? |
| 00:15.16 | mrgenixus | ok, as long as everyine else ias confused as me |
| 00:15.27 | idnar | Unified: you can turn those off; you could also try something like root-tail |
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| 00:15.58 | caphuso | mrgenixus: what do you use as /tmp? |
| 00:16.30 | mrgenixus | ram |
| 00:16.33 | mrgenixus | I think |
| 00:16.40 | mrgenixus | one sec |
| 00:17.18 | mrgenixus | nope |
| 00:17.20 | mrgenixus | hdd |
| 00:17.25 | serialkiller | cafe_roy : i have code writen for visualstudio i need to conver to linux |
| 00:17.27 | caphuso | mrgenixus: mounted noexec? |
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| 00:17.47 | mrgenixus | caphuso /tmp isn't independently mounted |
| 00:18.06 | caphuso | mrgenixus: alright... something interesting in dmesg output? |
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| 00:18.22 | mrgenixus | not dmesg |
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| 00:18.34 | mrgenixus | permissions for /tmp are rwxrwxrwt |
| 00:18.42 | fghfhfghfghfhfh | algum brasileiro: |
| 00:18.54 | mrgenixus | so it is noexec then right? |
| 00:19.01 | thingfish | #debian-br |
| 00:19.06 | d3s | I pasted on #flood |
| 00:19.18 | resiak | serialkiller: VB.net or VB 6? |
| 00:19.18 | mrgenixus | caphuso: it's been a couple of days since I killed the file |
| 00:19.19 | cafe_roy | serialkiller: I recommend gambas - check out the site |
| 00:19.24 | caphuso | mrgenixus: you'd already noticed if your / was mounted noexec |
| 00:19.40 | mrgenixus | yeah, but /tmp has the noexec bit set |
| 00:19.43 | d3s | I thought I was using ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 00:20.02 | caphuso | mrgenixus: no, it doesn't. there isn't a "noexec bit" that can be set... |
| 00:20.10 | caphuso | mrgenixus: it's a mount option |
| 00:20.18 | mrgenixus | caphuso: ok. . . |
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| 00:20.24 | mrgenixus | then what does the t mean? |
| 00:20.40 | caphuso | mrgenixus: /msg dpkg sticky bit |
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| 00:20.52 | ayecee | heh heh.. he said "sticky bit" |
| 00:21.24 | mrgenixus | omfg ayecee |
| 00:21.29 | mrgenixus | caphuso: ok |
| 00:21.35 | mrgenixus | I stand corrected |
| 00:21.42 | mrgenixus | never the less |
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| 00:21.53 | mrgenixus | still can't install or uninstall anything |
| 00:22.02 | Rubin | is there a cmdline util that can do date math? (eg # of days until a date) |
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| 00:22.38 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 00:22.59 | chandoo | so far i am using fedora |
| 00:23.02 | opitzs | Rubin: if you find nothing else, then make perl or php or awk script? |
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| 00:23.21 | chandoo | i am thinking of using now debian will it be difficult for me to use |
| 00:23.31 | Rubin | opitzs: yeah. i was hoping for something with less overhead |
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| 00:23.46 | Thaiger | Where can I download the gcc binary for linux? |
| 00:23.50 | thingfish | chandoo: get rid of that mess and get a real operating system. |
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| 00:24.06 | CroatianNinja | gnu.org? |
| 00:24.10 | Delph | Thaiger: apt-get will do it for you? |
| 00:24.10 | cafe_roy | chandoo: way to go |
| 00:24.13 | maher | Thaiger: on debian apt-get install gcc, or better build-essential |
| 00:24.20 | caphuso | 11085 caphuso 20 5 126m 68m 57m 36m S 13.6 0.0 0:07 acroread |
| 00:24.23 | thingfish | chandoo: do /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:24.40 | opitzs | chandoo: debian wants a bit more knowlegdge of the user, than fedora, but you get a system, that is better in my oppinion |
| 00:24.41 | Thaiger | Delph: Booted from a liveCD, and there isn't a sources.list |
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| 00:25.24 | Delph | Thaiger: install it properly, dont play around with liveCD's, they're for people on a thirdparty machine and don't let you do useful things like (eg) install software. |
| 00:25.24 | thingfish | there is no comparison. fedora != quality. debian=quality. |
| 00:25.25 | maher | chandoo: all linux distros are pretty similar |
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| 00:25.51 | chandoo | i am not so techie guy, i but i can manage some thing, yesterday i installed gentoo in one of my office box, but at the end i couldnt able to understand how to make intries in grub, so system became useless |
| 00:25.54 | maher | Thaiger: installing sw is hard if most of your fs is ro |
| 00:26.00 | caphuso | mrgenixus: ok... to be honest, i've NFI what's wrong. there are a number of possibilities |
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| 00:26.05 | thingfish | I came from redhat/fedora, I know all too well what fedora is like. Plus you're just helping to make redhat richer. |
| 00:26.06 | SyphonAI | thingfish, you tried FC4 test 1 yet? |
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| 00:26.12 | caphuso | mrgenixus: what version of debian is that, btw? |
| 00:26.22 | opitzs | maher, there is no way you can extend that to apt-get, except chandoo installs the fedora apt-get of course :) |
| 00:26.26 | mrgenixus | caphuso: um... |
| 00:26.31 | mrgenixus | caphuso sid? |
| 00:26.34 | mrgenixus | I think |
| 00:26.40 | thingfish | no and I will not, SyphonAI. I am philosophically opposed to the Fedora project. |
| 00:26.58 | SyphonAI | ok np, i was just curious on how it was comparitivly |
| 00:27.01 | chandoo | opitzs: can debian also do an direct installation with less intervention of user |
| 00:27.05 | SyphonAI | i have yet to try it either... |
| 00:27.10 | maher | chandoo: debian is probably easier than gentoo |
| 00:27.20 | mrgenixus | maher: different |
| 00:27.22 | caphuso | mrgenixus: ok, did you check the BTS for the failing packages? |
| 00:27.37 | thingfish | SyphonAI: fedora=bugs galore. debian=superb linux. |
| 00:27.50 | SyphonAI | yeah.. |
| 00:27.53 | chandoo | can i also use ndiswrapper in debian? for my wifi card |
| 00:27.55 | mrgenixus | caphuso: pretty sure this is something I screwed up |
| 00:27.55 | resiak | SyphonAI: You're on #debian. We all clearly like it. |
| 00:28.00 | opitzs | chandoo: i am sorry, but I never tried that. Of course you can make something like the gentoo stage files, with a few scripts to customize it... |
| 00:28.07 | mrgenixus | chandoo: yes, but ndiswrapper sucks |
| 00:28.12 | SyphonAI | both comps have debian, why i am curious on how the 'new' FC was... |
| 00:28.13 | thingfish | there is no better linux. |
| 00:28.32 | chandoo | ndiswrapper is working for me pretty well |
| 00:28.34 | mrgenixus | thingfish: ...Iread it on slashdot, so it must be tru. . . |
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| 00:28.43 | opitzs | chandoo: of course, although I have to use driverloader... |
| 00:28.52 | SyphonAI | resiak, i am a deb user too, i just thought maybe someone in here had tried FC4... i am not opposed to deb... |
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| 00:29.02 | cafe_roy | chandoo: debian != knoppix - but at least there are answers to everything |
| 00:29.03 | resiak | SyphonAI: Oh, sorry, I mistook you for someone else. |
| 00:29.08 | SyphonAI | np |
| 00:29.12 | mrgenixus | chandoo: broadcom suck, as suck ndiswrpper can't adaquately correct problems, like other linux drivers do |
| 00:29.28 | hettar | chandoo: ndiswrapper works but it still blows. I want native drivers for my laptop. |
| 00:29.29 | SyphonAI | tbh, i just removed FC3 and i have deb installing on my 3rd comp now |
| 00:29.46 | chandoo | mine is dlink dWL-G650+ |
| 00:30.08 | mrgenixus | chandoo: much better card |
| 00:30.09 | mdadm | hi guys-- i tried loading a module.../sbin/modprobe ip_tables ... and got debian complaining that it couldnt find the module or dependencies file...how do I get it? do I get it when I am configuring the kernel? Or do I use apt-get? |
| 00:30.17 | resiak | mdadm: no _ |
| 00:30.20 | mdadm | seems like it is part of grsec |
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| 00:30.28 | SyphonAI | ok since i am in the deb install.... what's everyones opinions on ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 00:30.31 | thingfish | I spent years with redhat and then fedora, switched to debian about 3-4 months ago, still can't believe how good debian is. |
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| 00:30.40 | chandoo | i also have windows xp installed on my laptop, if i try with deian, do i have a chance of loosing windows xp too, |
| 00:30.49 | opitzs | mdadm, are you sure it isn't compiled into the kernel? |
| 00:30.50 | mrgenixus | SyphonAI: ext2 for /boot xfs for all else |
| 00:30.51 | mdadm | syphon: i heard residerfs is good for small files..if you have many little files.. |
| 00:31.00 | SyphonAI | xfs? |
| 00:31.05 | SyphonAI | xfs better? |
| 00:31.06 | mdadm | optizs: how do I check that? I thought I compiled it into the kernel... |
| 00:31.07 | hettar | chandoo: not unless you do something really stupid |
| 00:31.08 | mrgenixus | SyphonAI: quick |
| 00:31.17 | SyphonAI | save space or anything? |
| 00:31.20 | mdadm | optizs: but my lack of sleep has killed my ram |
| 00:31.20 | opitzs | chandoo: I have a linux + winxp (for games) installation, no problem there |
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| 00:31.46 | thingfish | one can get carried away with having to have the bleeding edge stuff. I mean, you play with bleeding edge, you bleed. |
| 00:31.54 | mdadm | optizs: also I am not the guy called /sbin/modprobe ip_tables... my firewall (firehol) is... |
| 00:31.57 | opitzs | mdadm: look at the .config, or simply use it |
| 00:32.01 | thingfish | ooh, I hope it's a Baby Ruth! |
| 00:32.05 | pipeline | chandoo: Losing XP wouldn't be anything to cry over if you did. |
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| 00:32.23 | mdadm | optizs: how do I use ip_tables? |
| 00:32.29 | SuperSox | abrotman: being from the United Kingdom, your action conjured up some rather amusing images |
| 00:32.31 | pipeline | SyphonAI: Use ext3 unless you have no choice but to use XFS. |
| 00:32.41 | pipeline | mdadm: You want the "netfilter howto |
| 00:32.45 | mdadm | optizs: also where is the .config file? i am looking all over etc... |
| 00:33.05 | mdadm | pipeline: netfilter? |
| 00:33.22 | opitzs | mdadm: /usr/src/linux/.config, look for an iptables howto on the net |
| 00:33.31 | pipeline | mdadm: That's the backend of ip tables |
| 00:33.41 | opitzs | pipeline: that was it! |
| 00:33.44 | pipeline | mdadm: So look for the netfilter howto and it'll have copious information on how to use iptables |
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| 00:33.52 | pipeline | Good lord I hate iptables |
| 00:33.58 | pipeline | Someday, someone will get bpf into linux |
| 00:33.59 | mdadm | ahhh got it..thanks.. i'll check it out |
| 00:34.01 | pipeline | and then we will have ipf and pf |
| 00:34.12 | mdadm | ipf and pf? what systems use that now pipeline? |
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| 00:34.56 | pipeline | mdadm: pf+altq is by far the best PC firewall software on any platform, bar none, no provisos. It's available on FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD. Linux doesn't have very good berkeley packet filter support in-kernel. |
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| 00:35.14 | mrgenixus | caphuso: definitely something I broke |
| 00:35.15 | pipeline | mdadm: ipf is ipfilter, it's used on Solaris, 4.4BSD, and the various modern BSD systems. |
| 00:35.23 | caphuso | mrgenixus: how do you know? |
| 00:35.36 | quiet | how do you change channels in irssi? |
| 00:35.37 | mrgenixus | no bug reports anything like the one's I'm having |
| 00:35.45 | mrgenixus | quite alt+# |
| 00:35.45 | mdadm | pipeline: ahh thats why i hear everyone saying that BSD is good for a firewall |
| 00:35.51 | maher | mrgenixus: what are you doing - what error |
| 00:35.56 | mrgenixus | http://www.pastebin.com/262319 |
| 00:35.58 | quiet | cool thanks |
| 00:36.00 | opitzs | How can I play those AAC files? No programm is able to either find *aac or *m4a files... |
| 00:36.02 | mrgenixus | (just the errors) |
| 00:36.16 | mrgenixus | that's from running dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:36.50 | pipeline | mdadm: Yup. iptables is pretty sadsack compared to the power and configurability of pf+altq. :( |
| 00:37.10 | mdadm | pipeline: hopefully some people fix that...debian kicks ass from what i have seen so far... |
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| 00:37.36 | pipeline | mdadm: I don't think it will ever be fixed because linux-specific alternatives to bpf have been developed. Namely, netfilter and tun |
| 00:37.38 | mdadm | pipeline: but this firehol makes it look like configurability isnt a problem in debian.. |
| 00:37.46 | CroatianNinja | what is the best way to make a program start up when you login? |
| 00:37.52 | quiet | quick question: when I use netselect-apt testing it always shows up with testing/non-US/<whatever> for the sources... what's the difference?? (I'm in US) |
| 00:37.52 | synic | can you install debian and boot fully from software raid 1 ? |
| 00:38.03 | synic | or do you have to leave some partitions non-raid? |
| 00:38.06 | mdadm | pipeline: just started looking at it..but it has this neat language for setting up a firewall ..looks very versatile |
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| 00:38.33 | maher | mrgenixus: can you exec things in tmp? |
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| 00:38.47 | mrgenixus | maher yeah, why? |
| 00:38.59 | pipeline | mdadm: Trust me. iptables is better than what it replaced, but it's absolutely pathetic compared to pf+altq. iptables is still pretty damned good, though. |
| 00:39.07 | maher | mrgenixus: try dpkg -i one of those packages |
| 00:39.07 | mdadm | opitzs: I have CONFIG_NETFILTER commented out in my /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 00:39.13 | quiet | pf rocks! |
| 00:39.14 | jermy | <question relatedto="emacs">I have a lisp file for a mode - but don't have access to the /site-lisp/ directory. How do I get it to be loadable by just me?</question> |
| 00:39.35 | mdadm | pipeline; how many years do you give it before debian puts in something better than iptables? |
| 00:40.01 | quiet | mdadm, iptables is the Linux standard.. pf is *BSD |
| 00:40.03 | maher | mdadm: when someone volunteers to do it |
| 00:40.06 | jermy | mdadm: Uh, don't you mean before the *kernel* puts something better in... |
| 00:40.28 | mrgenixus | no errors |
| 00:40.36 | mdadm | thats right..the kernel :) ... salute |
| 00:40.51 | maher | mrgenixus: it installed? ok - install them manually then carry on |
| 00:40.52 | pipeline | mdadm: A thousand. |
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| 00:41.06 | mrgenixus | ok, thanks ppl! you're my hero's 4 today |
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| 00:41.09 | pipeline | mdadm: there was an abortive attempt to reimplement bpf for linux a few years ago, linuxfilter. It never got anywhere. |
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| 00:41.18 | pipeline | mdadm: without bpf, there will never be anything but linux-specific stuff like iptables. |
| 00:42.00 | maher | anyone could port pdf to linux if they cared |
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| 00:42.11 | maher | s/pdf/bpf/ |
| 00:42.31 | ayecee | someone could. anyone couldn't. |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | karsten: you're funny |
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| 00:42.46 | Vlat | maher: reason ? |
| 00:43.05 | travisat | what would be better than iptables |
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| 00:43.27 | maher | Vlat: they were bored? |
| 00:43.34 | Vlat | travisat: ipv6 |
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| 00:43.45 | Vlat | maher: imho so |
| 00:43.54 | travisat | Vlat: meh, I compiled that outof my kernel |
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| 00:44.00 | ayecee | Vlat, ipv6 can't replace iptables :) |
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| 00:44.27 | pipeline | travisat: a bpf for linux that made a real pf+altq port possible would be better than iptables :P |
| 00:44.36 | Vlat | ayecee: it depends, plain nat or filtering |
| 00:45.01 | Vlat | an any case Cisco PIX is better %) |
| 00:45.02 | ayecee | vlat: oh, in the sense of removing the need for nat? perhaps that.. |
| 00:45.23 | travisat | pipeline: well we don't have that now do we |
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| 00:45.36 | pipeline | Vlat, ayecee: NAT will always be used in order to shape traffic. |
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| 00:45.57 | ayecee | err.. shape traffic? how does nat shape traffic? |
| 00:45.58 | quiet | is there a 'netselect-apt' command to specify US servers?? |
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| 00:46.16 | Vlat | pipeline: currently we're using Cisco 81xxx for shaping |
| 00:46.24 | rick_timmis | apt-setup |
| 00:46.32 | travisat | quiet: man apt-setup? |
| 00:46.39 | Vlat | pipeline: there's no NAT, just C class network |
| 00:46.43 | mdadm | ahh ipchains was the old one...i see.. |
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| 00:46.53 | rick_timmis | yes man apt-setup |
| 00:46.59 | quiet | but netselect-apt resets the servers to 'the fastest' one.,. but for some reason it keeps giving me non-US servers |
| 00:47.02 | pipeline | ayecee: It's easy to stop people from hosting services when they have no routable IP |
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| 00:47.21 | travisat | quiet: use apt-setup |
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| 00:47.31 | quiet | okay thanks.. |
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| 00:47.56 | ayecee | ah, traffic filtering. i suppose that's one interpretation of traffic shaping, though not one i've heard before.. |
| 00:48.27 | ayecee | though blocking inbound tcp syn would be as effective, for that.. |
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| 00:49.15 | Vlat | agree, linux can do it this too |
| 00:49.36 | Vlat | but several PLD-s can do it much better |
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| 00:49.50 | FieldySnuts | wah |
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| 00:49.57 | ayecee | PLD? |
| 00:50.12 | ayecee | don't know that acronym :) |
| 00:50.17 | green_earz | quiet: use dpkg-reconfigure debconf to change the priorty level to low so that you can pick non us with apt-setup |
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| 00:50.55 | Vlat | ayecee: programmable logic. nowadays custom chips |
| 00:51.11 | mdadm | pipeline: i am reading about this iptables stuff..but should I patch my kernel like it says...or just reconfigure and recompile? |
| 00:51.25 | Vlat | ayecee: imagine 500mhz chip programmed JUST for filtering and cost $10 |
| 00:51.25 | mdadm | id imagine i should reconfigure and recompile...but thats not what the howto says |
| 00:51.25 | pipeline | mdadm: I have no idea. I use stock kernels for everything. |
| 00:51.29 | ayecee | i see. |
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| 00:52.39 | pipeline | Vlat: Yeah, but that's going to cost huge amounts of money. A 500 MHz K6-2 costs about $10. Even low-end crisco is out of the budget for most university resnets, much less homegrown programmable logic. |
| 00:52.52 | rick_timmis | mdadm Well what kernel our you running ? |
| 00:53.05 | mdadm | sarge 3.1 |
| 00:53.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck PIX |
| 00:53.51 | Vlat | pipeline: thousands of thousands request can handle that chip, k6 will handle only some thousand per second. |
| 00:54.07 | rick_timmis | Then it should be lready in there, just do a config and check its implemented, recompile and you should be all sorted |
| 00:54.07 | Vlat | pipeline: look, I don't want to start a holy war |
| 00:54.08 | FieldySnuts | talking apples and oranges anyway, i doubt he cares |
| 00:54.23 | Vlat | becoming a hardware developer |
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| 00:54.23 | mdadm | rick_timmis: sarge 3.1 |
| 00:54.31 | pipeline | Vlat: Heh, stick to your Cisco guns. But the fact of the matter is that there will always be a market for doing complex tasks with ill-suited hardware. |
| 00:54.46 | pipeline | Filthy hacks drive the market |
| 00:54.48 | Vlat | pipeline: look forwards |
| 00:54.49 | pmcdonnell | I'm wanting to create a new CA, key, and cert for my IMAP and SMTP server... can anyone point me to a doc describing how to do this? I've never quite gotten that hang of SSL |
| 00:55.02 | Vlat | pipeline: every solution have the own market |
| 00:55.10 | caskey | pmcdonnell: do you actually want a CA, or just a self-signed cert? |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | pmcdonnell: like .. make-cert or whatever the script is? |
| 00:55.28 | pipeline | Vlat: looking backwards is my specialty. Hell, Cisco was started on the basis of a filthy hack: Make commodity, 68k processors into dedicated multi-protocol routers, something that nobody had ever done commercially. |
| 00:55.30 | pmcdonnell | abrotman, will that give me a CA? |
| 00:55.38 | pmcdonnell | caskey, isn't a CA required? |
| 00:55.41 | caskey | pmcdonnell: no |
| 00:55.44 | caskey | pmcdonnell: http://www.technocage.com/~caskey/openssl/ |
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| 00:55.49 | abrotman | pmcdonnell: uhm .. it will give you a cert you can use for like .. apache etc |
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| 00:55.55 | suifur | ravenbird: fuck tacos |
| 00:56.00 | caskey | pmcdonnell: which just says this: openssl req -new -newkey rsa:1024 -days 365 -nodes -x509 -keyout www.example.com.pem -out www.example.com.pem |
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| 00:56.16 | Rebroad | anyone here using KDE 3.4? |
| 00:56.17 | Vlat | pipeline: agree |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | pmcdonnell: in ssl-cert |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | Rebroad: it's not in debian |
| 00:56.31 | pmcdonnell | caskey, that makes sense... if I want a CA, though, how do I do that? |
| 00:56.38 | Vlat | pipeline: the first cisco tries were fscked bad |
| 00:56.55 | rick_timmis | Ubuntu hoary-hedghog has KDE 3.4 on preview |
| 00:56.56 | Vlat | pipeline: but then they're choosed PLD-s |
| 00:56.59 | caskey | pmcdonnell: That's a much, much more complex question. There are a number of howtos out there. Frankly it's Just Not Worth It |
| 00:56.59 | chealer | Rebroad: #debian-kde |
| 00:57.01 | green_earz | pmcdonnell: check out the link http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/02/06/linuxhacks.html |
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| 00:57.13 | pmcdonnell | OK, thanks all, I'll be looking |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | what is wrong with make-ssl-cert? |
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| 00:57.19 | caskey | pmcdonnell: google on openssl and ca and you'll find some stuff |
| 00:57.26 | pmcdonnell | abrotman, I want a CA --- |
| 00:57.29 | Vlat | pipeline: Programmable Logic Devices...imagine VIA chipset designed just for network puproses and NOTHING more |
| 00:57.35 | Mestapheles | howdie partners |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | pmcdonnell: it might do it ... |
| 00:57.50 | Rebroad | chealer:not allowed to discuss KDE on this channel? |
| 00:57.55 | pmcdonnell | abrotman, I'll try |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | Rebroad: kde3.4 isn't in debian .. |
| 00:58.07 | chealer | Rebroad: not a KDE version that isn't in debian |
| 00:58.34 | owlmanatt | hi, uh, I've stopped x and gnome, and killed all of their processes, but my monitor will only display the gnome background image, on all of the ttys. There is nothing x/gnome-related running, and I've rmmod'd the nvidia module. Is there some way to flush what the video card is getting, or something, because I have no idea why this is happening. |
| 00:58.36 | Vlat | pipeline: it's like my lovely Amiga 1200... it has a variety of chips, and every does the own work. The cpu just calulates |
| 00:59.17 | pipeline | Vlat: Heh, that's actually a great counterexample |
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| 00:59.23 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt have you got agpgart in the kernel |
| 00:59.26 | pipeline | Vlat: The large amount of custom hardware hamstrung continued amiga development |
| 00:59.35 | owlmanatt | rick_timmis: Yes, I do. |
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| 01:00.08 | Vlat | pipeline: it was the example. the last "past" is the past |
| 01:00.16 | pipeline | Vlat: The last Amiga systems had commodity processors fast enough to make the custom chips totally useless. When they were actually being sold, most people used AMIX on A3000's. Only ex post facto necrophiliacs ever ran the Amiga OS on an A3000. |
| 01:00.19 | maher | Vlat: so what do you do when theres a new network protocol? |
| 01:00.21 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt so it could well be the framebuffers that have the data loaded, however i cant tell you how to clear that memory section. |
| 01:00.27 | Vlat | pipeline: Phase-5 was suck anyway %) |
| 01:00.37 | owlmanatt | rick_timmis: I rmmod it, nothing happens. Hm. |
| 01:00.50 | Mestapheles | should one restrict to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after upgrading to hoary? Or can one continue to apt-get dist-upgrade from hoary safely? |
| 01:00.53 | Vlat | maher: update the firmware in supervisor |
| 01:01.40 | Mestapheles | there's still material revieled with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:01.44 | Vlat | pipeline: A4000 had Zorro4, but there was no HW devels to manufactor the hardware |
| 01:01.53 | mdadm | rick_timmis: 2.6.10-grsec |
| 01:02.01 | pipeline | Vlat: Heh, was the A4000 even released? |
| 01:02.04 | Mestapheles | oops |
| 01:02.10 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt ok so imguessing abit here, but even though you rm the module the physical memory i.e Video RAM is still loaded and being refreshed at a harware level, maybe |
| 01:02.27 | Vlat | pipeline: yes, there was CV643D, but it was the dirty hack from S3 Vrige |
| 01:03.00 | pipeline | Vlat: I remember the A3000-UX as being the last great Amiga product, because it was the cheapest 030 workstation you could buy, anywhere. As fast as a mid-range Sun or a high-end Mac II, ran a tolerable UNIX, cost 1/3rd as much as either. |
| 01:03.02 | owlmanatt | rick_timmis: Hm. If it were being refreshed, wouldn't it get the 'kay, enough X' message? If I restart gdm, it works, but stopping it just shows the desktop image. |
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| 01:03.13 | rick_timmis | madam ok so do you have the iptables stuff compiled into the kernel, me thinks it should be there by default |
| 01:03.44 | Vlat | pipeline: A4000T was a great tower config with absolutely no support |
| 01:04.02 | pipeline | Vlat: The A4000T was the thing I was thinking of that was never really released |
| 01:04.08 | Vlat | pipeline: anyway, linux / bsd is installable even on 2000 |
| 01:04.35 | pipeline | Vlat: Honestly, if I had an A3000, I would install AMIX / Amiga SVR4 for the legitimate retrocumputing experience ;) |
| 01:04.43 | rick_timmis | owlmanat rick thinks MMmmm... |
| 01:04.46 | Vlat | pipeline: i had it, forget about it. booster PLD is buggy till nowadays |
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| 01:05.17 | owlmanatt | rick_timmis: huh, I'll just reboot it. |
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| 01:05.42 | mdadm | rick_timmis: i did a make menuconfig...and am looking right now..will let you know |
| 01:05.51 | rick_timmis | mdadm K |
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| 01:06.16 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt Mmm... well that will fix it for now I would think |
| 01:06.25 | mdadm | rick_timmis: seems like GRsecurity is excluded..dont see the iptables yet..one sec |
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| 01:08.15 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt Did you set Xfree to use the video card and framebuffer via the debconf scripts, as this does talk about potential problems |
| 01:08.33 | owlmanatt | rick_timmis: I just installed the debian nvidia driver packages |
| 01:08.35 | Vlat | pipeline: btw, forget about A4000, it's the worst |
| 01:08.38 | rick_timmis | owlmanatt of which I can;t remember the details |
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| 01:08.52 | Vlat | pipeline: i have a1000,2000,3000,1200,500,4000 here |
| 01:08.54 | owlmanatt | I guess this is what I get for using closed-source crap. Doesn't matter now, I'm using nv again. Thanks. |
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| 01:09.14 | Vlat | pipeline: and the 4000 is buggiest |
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| 01:11.00 | mdadm | anyone remember where "Networking Options" is in make menuconfig? I cant find it anywhere...I know it has to be here somewhere..... |
| 01:11.04 | pipeline | owlmanatt: Hahah, nvidia drivers really are pretty awful. |
| 01:11.15 | pipeline | mdadm: Why are you configuring a kernel by hand? |
| 01:11.30 | mdadm | pipeline: i want to check if I have ip_tables selected.. |
| 01:11.42 | pipeline | mdadm: Uh, why don't you just install a stock kernel and avoid the headache? |
| 01:11.58 | EvanCarroll | wow, that will teach me to use windows, im installing the trial version of server for fun and in the install process it showed another device, so i got excided figured it was just another partition or something buggy, and i never use fat32 anyway, i reformated the device, turns out the device was my ipod. babby jesus crys 40gigs of music down the drain and now a device without firmware |
| 01:12.07 | pipeline | mdadm: I know it's lunix, and it's cool and all, but in this day and age, it's a bit silly to fool around with configuring your own kernel. |
| 01:12.19 | pipeline | EvanCarroll: That's not a windows problem. |
| 01:12.24 | pipeline | EvanCarroll: That's a PEBKAC issue |
| 01:12.33 | EvanCarroll | It would be nice if it didn't label it MBR |
| 01:12.39 | pipeline | EvanCarroll: Don't blame a perfectly fine OS for your own foolish mistakes |
| 01:12.40 | EvanCarroll | even though it might be.. |
| 01:12.42 | mdadm | pipeline:well the kernel i have now has support for raid 1 and sata... |
| 01:12.46 | EvanCarroll | like maybe FIREWIRE:DEVICE |
| 01:12.52 | pipeline | mdadm: The stock kernels support RAID 1 and SATA |
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| 01:13.17 | mdadm | pipeline: and not really sure how to get a custom kernel up and running on my system...i went the make bzImage route to get my system up and running |
| 01:13.32 | mdadm | pipeline: i mean a stock kernel.. |
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| 01:13.52 | pipeline | mdadm: Install the stock kernel. Supply correct boot arguments to the bootloader. |
| 01:13.59 | mdadm | pipeline: i need to find a howto to figure that out and understand exactly what Im doing when I get a stock kernel.. |
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| 01:14.16 | EvanCarroll | mdadm: make bzImage is deprecated with the 2.6.x series you need only use it if you are making for another machine, make now by default makes bzImage, and make install will even attempt to install it |
| 01:14.21 | pipeline | mdadm: When you install a stock kernel, you get an initrd and a kernel image. You then set up the bootloader if the package system doesn't do it yourself. |
| 01:14.26 | briareus | hello debian |
| 01:14.34 | mdadm | pipeline: I roughly understand what you mean..but not sure what boot arguements id have to give to lilo |
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| 01:14.48 | pipeline | mdadm: Probably roughly the same as the ones you're using now, only with the addition of an initrd. |
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| 01:15.37 | mdadm | pipeline: whenever i make image...i just type lilo afterwards and thats it...no arguments... |
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| 01:15.44 | utku | hi all, do you know a good newsreader for gnome except pan, mozilla foundation's products etc. |
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| 01:16.01 | mdadm | evanCarroll: thanks for the info...no more make bzImage for me... |
| 01:16.02 | rick_timmis | mdadm: look its ok, keep running through the menus until you find the ip_tables stuff, whilst your doing this you'll get to know alot about what else is available |
| 01:16.03 | briareus | #debian, I have a question. I have jsut downloaded qtparted .deb package, and I am in the same directory as the .deb, but when i apt-get install qtparted_4.4-4_i386.deb it still tries to go online and fetch it, saying its unfound. I read the manpage, but I dont see such an option to install local package. Thoughts? |
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| 01:16.26 | pipeline | mdadm: the arguments etc are in your lilo configuration. |
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| 01:16.27 | distempr | How would I construct a command using tar and ssh to pipe a crapload of files over the network to a different machine... ~300 gigs... |
| 01:16.28 | netbug | You should use dpkg -i *.deb |
| 01:16.31 | travisat | briareus: dpkg -i foo.deb where foo is your package |
| 01:16.40 | briareus | ah, thank you all |
| 01:16.51 | Xenguy | distempr: scp ? |
| 01:16.53 | pipeline | distempr: tar -cf - <foo> | ssh user@host (cd target; tar -xvf -) |
| 01:17.24 | stew | i'd put the v on the local side or not at all :) |
| 01:17.29 | briareus | pipeline> thats one of my favorite tricks, poop thru a goose |
| 01:17.36 | pipeline | Xenguy: scp doesn't handle permissions or special files correctly. |
| 01:17.42 | distempr | Xenguy: yeah .. scp won't keep the perms. |
| 01:17.43 | mdadm | pipeline: ahh you mean /etc/lilo.conf... got it |
| 01:17.45 | pipeline | stew: Well, what good is it knowing whether the file was compressed locally? |
| 01:17.48 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 01:17.50 | stew | right |
| 01:17.54 | pipeline | stew: I want to know whether it extracted OK :P |
| 01:18.28 | distempr | pipeline: what's in the parentheses, this is after I log in? |
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| 01:18.44 | pipeline | distempr: the stuff in the parentheses is the single command to be executed on the remote side. |
| 01:18.56 | stew | distempr: have you considered rsync? |
| 01:18.56 | distempr | ahh |
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| 01:19.03 | pipeline | distempr: because it's in parentheses, the "cd" command will be executed first without interfering with the pipe to the tar |
| 01:19.18 | distempr | pipeline: cool, never knew that |
| 01:20.02 | caphuso | i think you need to quote the parens |
| 01:20.27 | caphuso | 'cause you want them to be evaluated by the remote shell |
| 01:20.46 | pipeline | heh, good point |
| 01:21.07 | caphuso | oh, yeah... bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 01:21.30 | distempr | pipeline: ugh, I'm so bad with tar... what goes in foo? *? |
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| 01:23.42 | caphuso | distempr: i don't think pipeline has the mental abilities to tell you which files to send to the remote box |
| 01:23.52 | briareus | lol |
| 01:23.57 | briareus | you guys are great |
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| 01:24.07 | pipeline | briareus: No, we're just huge pricks |
| 01:24.15 | briareus | pipeline> that too, but its great |
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| 01:24.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump briareus |
| 01:24.31 | briareus | hey wheres the R0000t has landed? |
| 01:24.38 | FieldySnuts | doesn't do it every time |
| 01:24.44 | briareus | ah |
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| 01:24.59 | travisat | R00000000t has landed!11 |
| 01:25.22 | mdadm | rick_timmis: i found IP tables... should I make it built in or module? it is neither now? |
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| 01:26.34 | mdadm | rick_timmis: but tere are tons of things like realm math support, stealth match support, etc under the ip tables heading...should i yes M to all of those? |
| 01:26.56 | ayecee | couldn't hurt |
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| 01:27.20 | mdadm | ayecee: but could it slow things down? |
| 01:27.30 | mikkel | hi. when i use firefox and edit my links in firefox i get this error: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=35534 |
| 01:27.34 | mikkel | why ? |
| 01:27.35 | ayecee | as modules? no, not really. |
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| 01:28.37 | ayecee | mikkel, something done gone blowed up. |
| 01:28.38 | briareus | any of you guys put a bootable linux on a flashdrive? |
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| 01:29.07 | ayecee | mikkel, not obvious what the problem is from the errors. |
| 01:29.18 | mikkel | well that all i got |
| 01:29.22 | briareus | Im looking at damnsmall on a usb pen my gf gave me |
| 01:29.25 | ayecee | yeah, sucks. |
| 01:29.31 | briareus | pen writes well too |
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| 01:31.54 | skel_home | will anything tragic happen if I uninstall debians dbus and build from source? |
| 01:32.21 | zinx | skel_home: probably, and we won't be able to help you with it either. |
| 01:32.35 | skel_home | kind of a stupid question I suppose, just curious if there were any known issues or any custom one-offs |
| 01:32.59 | zinx | why do you want to compile from source? |
| 01:33.39 | skel_home | zinx: trying to build beagle. need to rebuild dbus with support for mono.. tried to do it with debian source but there's no dh_netdeps for x86_64 |
| 01:34.00 | zinx | hmm |
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| 01:34.12 | zinx | can you use the 32-bit version? :E |
| 01:34.58 | skel_home | I really don't want to start mucking with 32bit chroots unless I have to.. which I may |
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| 01:35.15 | zinx | hehe :) |
| 01:35.19 | skel_home | =] |
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| 01:38.45 | pipeline | skel_home: How much memory do you have, anyway? |
| 01:39.06 | skel_home | pipeline: 2gb |
| 01:39.19 | pipeline | briareus: Treat the flash drive like a hard drive, install grub or a proper syslinux. isolinux depends on el torito, and, as such, won't work |
| 01:39.28 | pipeline | skel_home: Why bother with amd64, then? |
| 01:39.47 | briareus | thx pipeline |
| 01:39.52 | skel_home | pipeline: how else is progress made? |
| 01:39.56 | skel_home | pipeline: ;) |
| 01:40.02 | pipeline | skel_home: Waiting for other people to do it? :P |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | pipeline: you're so lazy :) |
| 01:40.20 | pipeline | abrotman: That's the long and the short of it. |
| 01:40.28 | skel_home | pipeline: well, I usually do that.. but this time my impatience outweighs my laziness :-P |
| 01:41.01 | skel_home | its my flaws that drive me and improve me ironically enough |
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| 01:41.26 | pipeline | skel_home: Heh, if you want to aid a dev effort that really, really needs amd64, install the amd64 SBCL port. |
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| 01:41.51 | original_ninja32 | hello |
| 01:41.52 | pipeline | skel_home: SBCL is a piece of software that could benefit *tremendously* from a 64 bit port. As in, order of magnitude performance improvements in places. They just don't have much testing. |
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| 01:42.15 | rixth_ | Whats the command to reconfigure your network card? |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | vi ? |
| 01:42.34 | mdadm | after i make now... i need to run lilo right? |
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| 01:42.52 | Jacobo221 | any idea if ncurses apps compile on MS Windows too? |
| 01:42.52 | mdadm | rixth: do you mean make menuconfig? |
| 01:43.27 | rixth_ | When you install Debian, you get a menu that lets you chose domain name, hostname, ip adress, subnet etc |
| 01:43.33 | pipeline | Jacobo221: Yes, but they run slowly. |
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| 01:43.36 | rixth_ | I want to redo that |
| 01:43.44 | pipeline | rixth_: dpkg-reconfigure base-config might get you that. |
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| 01:44.01 | Jacobo221 | pipeline: tahnks :) |
| 01:44.08 | mdadm | you know...after i reconfigure the kernel.. do i need to run lilo again? |
| 01:44.12 | cat | where do you put the index.html on apache2 on /var/www |
| 01:44.13 | cat | ? |
| 01:44.16 | mdadm | io mean recompile the kernel |
| 01:44.33 | rixth_ | norox, it doesn't sorry. I guess I could just edit /etc/network/interfaces but thats too hard!@ |
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| 01:46.25 | cat | where do you put the index.html on apache2 on /var/www ? |
| 01:46.27 | rick_timmis | mdadm You don't have to, you could just copy the images over to the /boot partition. However this will mean that should your new kernel fail to boot it will be out with the resuce disks |
| 01:46.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be a networking barbiue |
| 01:46.33 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:46.35 | FieldySnuts | barbie. |
| 01:46.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be a networking barbie |
| 01:46.36 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 01:46.39 | FieldySnuts | adsfasdf |
| 01:47.18 | rick_timmis | mdadm So you want to configure lilo to provide you with a selection of old kernel, new kernel. |
| 01:47.26 | ayecee | kci? what ever happened to pebkac? |
| 01:47.29 | FieldySnuts | ok fine I'll do it "But, three way handshake is HARD!! let's go shopping instead!" |
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| 01:48.15 | poonj | hey guys...anyone here use GAIM? how do I prevent it from starting up everytime I load up gnome? |
| 01:48.16 | pipeline | Jacobo221: There's another proviso to ncurses on win32. I think you have to use a full cygwin instead of mingw. |
| 01:48.25 | poonj | or I should ask, where do I configure what starts up when I boot up gnome? |
| 01:48.31 | pipeline | poonj: you could just not save your session |
| 01:48.48 | pipeline | poonj: applications -> desktop preferences -> advanced -> sessions |
| 01:49.09 | Jacobo221 | pipeline: well, i'll hav eto live with that ;) |
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| 01:49.36 | pipeline | Jacobo221: Well, cygwin1.dll is like a 5M library. Hell of a thing to redistribute, you know? |
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| 01:50.41 | poonj | okay cool |
| 01:50.46 | poonj | thanks |
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| 01:50.59 | mdadm | same error message even with iptables... |
| 01:51.12 | poonj | let me give it a run |
| 01:51.24 | mdadm | cant open dependenceies file /lib/modules/2.6.10-grsec/modules.dep....seems like modprobe is not working right |
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| 01:51.45 | FieldySnuts | forget to do a make modules_install ? |
| 01:52.02 | Jacobo221 | pipeline: the thing is I'm coding a *nix app, but it must remain compatible with win. i don't really care how much an effor it is to compile curses in win as long as anyone really interested in using it can use it |
| 01:52.06 | mdadm | fieldsnuts: good call! |
| 01:52.08 | pipeline | mdadm: forget to run update-modules script? |
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| 01:52.32 | mdadm | fieldysnuts: where do i call that from ? /usr/src/linux? |
| 01:52.34 | pipeline | Jacobo221: Well, cygwin handles pretty much anything you want on windows, although non-X11 GUI is much easier with mingw libs than cygwin. |
| 01:52.38 | FieldySnuts | mdadm: yeah |
| 01:52.42 | pipeline | Jacobo221: Signal handling is broken as shit in cygwin, though |
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| 01:53.02 | pipeline | Jacobo221: And while mmap() works, you can't make any "interesting" assumptions about it, as win32 memory spaces are very, very, very weird. |
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| 01:53.40 | mne | hi everybody ! I want to install a forum on my server, it should be a PHP forum with mySQL support ? does anyone know a good and secure forum ? |
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| 01:53.59 | ysothoth | No, use mailing lists |
| 01:54.00 | FieldySnuts | definately not phpbb (god-awful security record lately |
| 01:54.03 | pipeline | mne: There's no such thing. |
| 01:54.12 | FieldySnuts | yeah i have to agree |
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| 01:54.19 | mne | pipeline, you mean theres no secure forum ? :) |
| 01:54.21 | pipeline | mne: Fast, secure, based on php, uses mysql: Choose two. |
| 01:54.23 | FieldySnuts | if it's php, out the window goes security |
| 01:54.42 | mdadm | fieldysmuts: after i do a make modules_install ... do i need to do anything? like copy the kernel someplace or do anythin? |
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| 01:54.47 | Jacobo221 | pipeline: hehe. well, the only signal to handle is KILL. and it's action will be... close the app. so it's ok if it crashes xD |
| 01:54.50 | pipeline | mne: Or rather, how about a longer list: "Fast, cheap, secure", choose two. |
| 01:54.50 | jvw | to be fair, the problem is with php coders generally, not per se with the language... |
| 01:54.54 | mne | pipeline, FieldySnuts: what do you suggest then instead of php ? |
| 01:55.01 | pipeline | mne: Using PHP or MySQL sends security right out the window. |
| 01:55.09 | pipeline | mne: All of the free bulletin board systems are written in php. |
| 01:55.13 | abrotman | that's a bit harsh |
| 01:55.20 | FieldySnuts | sad but true |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | it's the same with any web language :) |
| 01:55.30 | jvw | it's not the fault of the language, and re MySQL I think it's plain false |
| 01:55.30 | pipeline | mne: If you want a good bulletin board, pay someone else to do it, and base it around Oracle, not mySQL. It's that simple. |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | they're all insecure |
| 01:55.37 | FieldySnuts | eh no it isn't not at all |
| 01:55.40 | fevel | when the system logs in, and its about to enter gnome, the light in the monitor turns yellow (normal is green) and the screen stays black |
| 01:55.42 | mne | pipeline, I see ... why is mysql insecure if database access is only local ? |
| 01:55.48 | fevel | can someone help? |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | name me one web language that has never had a vuln |
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| 01:56.02 | pipeline | mne: It's a shitty database in addition to being vulnerable to insertion attack.s |
| 01:56.10 | jvw | mailman (in python) for example had tons of security issues |
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| 01:56.21 | abrotman | oh .. perl is flawless .. no vulns ever |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | right |
| 01:56.26 | pipeline | abrotman: PHP, next to Sendmail, OpenSSL and IIS, is probably the most-exploited product in history. |
| 01:56.26 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:56.30 | fevel | can someone help? |
| 01:56.32 | fevel | when the system logs in, and its about to enter gnome, the light in the monitor turns yellow (normal is green) and the screen stays black |
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| 01:56.35 | jvw | pipeline: not PHP the product |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | pipeline: you forgot IE |
| 01:56.41 | mne | pipeline, mhm, you're probably right then ... what about vBulletin, it's a commercial forum ? |
| 01:56.43 | pipeline | mne: My suggestion is that you pay someone to host a board for you. e.g. infopop.net |
| 01:56.45 | FieldySnuts | fevel: we saw it the first time, repeating just annoys us. relax |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | pipeline: and you mean PHP apps .. not the codebase |
| 01:56.54 | mne | pipeline, thx for the tip |
| 01:57.05 | fevel | just didnt seem as such |
| 01:57.05 | jvw | pipeline: that doesn't solve anything |
| 01:57.05 | pipeline | mne: Administrating your own board is a nightmare :| |
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| 01:57.06 | abrotman | pipeline: you also forgot bind8 :) |
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| 01:57.16 | jvw | pipeline: then the ones you pay need to choose... |
| 01:57.16 | sigma957 | what would this process be? I don't have sendmail installed. I have exim4- "/usr/sbin/sendmail -i -FCronDaemon -oem bjp" |
| 01:57.19 | pipeline | abrotman: BIND is easy to chroot :P |
| 01:57.20 | jvw | better save your money :) |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | pipeline: apache isn't? |
| 01:57.38 | fevel | and actually i repeated cuz a good helper (chealer) just logged in |
| 01:57.39 | FieldySnuts | and chroots are easy to break out of, unless you're using grsecurity |
| 01:57.39 | mikkel | what modules do i need for my VIA AC'97 soundcard ? |
| 01:57.42 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, it is, but people usually don't. |
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| 01:57.47 | fevel | and actually i repeated cuz a good helper (chealer) just logged in |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | i didn't say that bind was easy to chroot .. he did |
| 01:57.53 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Heh, I'm pampered. I've only ever dealt with BIND under FreeBSD. |
| 01:57.53 | fevel | oops |
| 01:57.55 | FieldySnuts | @lart fevel |
| 01:57.57 | jvw | FieldySnuts: which is BS unless you're running stuff as root... |
| 01:57.59 | mne | pipeline, hehe. OK, so I'll look for someone else to host the bord ;) thanks again |
| 01:58.08 | FieldySnuts | jvw: wrong. |
| 01:58.21 | jvw | mne: I'm sorry, but IMHO you're being given bad advice here |
| 01:58.33 | pipeline | jvw: It moves the intense pain and headache to somebody else. You would have to pay me a hell of a lot to deal with the trouble that is a high-volume message board. |
| 01:58.34 | jvw | mne: you should probably listen to it all, and decide for yourself |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | i'm agreeing with jvw |
| 01:58.36 | FieldySnuts | okay, go ahead, use php, get exploited. don't cry to us (cry to jvw) |
| 01:58.37 | kdog_ | I had a woody box compromised and I need to find out how. I've got an image of the drive and I've got the aide report that shows the changed files. Does anyone have any suggestions? My first thought is chkrootkit. |
| 01:58.40 | sh0rt | fevel, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:58.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's not PHP |
| 01:58.53 | pipeline | abrotman: It's not JUST php, at any rate. |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's the apps written in PHPP |
| 01:59.02 | jvw | mne: perhaps based on who the people are that are talking to you |
| 01:59.09 | mne | jvw, but the most secure solution is always to look for someone else to host the forum ;) |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | pipeline: just like it's not C .. it's the apps written in C |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | it's all in the programmer |
| 01:59.25 | jvw | mne: it will just shift the responsibility |
| 01:59.30 | pipeline | abrotman: No, it's definitely C. C is a shitty language. |
| 01:59.34 | jvw | mne: won't make it magically more secure |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | pipeline: and what do you code in?> |
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| 01:59.59 | pipeline | jvw: Hiring someone who spends forty hours a week dealing with bulletin boards instead of putting two hours a week into doing it yourself will make a large difference. |
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| 02:00.24 | abrotman | pipeline: does that mean you dont' code? |
| 02:00.25 | pipeline | abrotman: Common lisp. Good luck designing an insertion attack or finding a buffer overflow for allegroserve and statice. |
| 02:00.28 | jvw | pipeline: oh, then it would, but (1) you can't afford, (2) eh, yeah, right, someone will spend 40h/week for what? |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | pipeline: you write all your code in Lisp? |
| 02:00.42 | jvw | pipeline: do everyone a favour and pay someone to audit (for example) phpbb |
| 02:00.51 | mne | jvw, sure it will, but I do not mind if security is compromised on the forum hoster's site. The forum is not that important to me. It would be horrible if security would be compromised on my own server where other services are offered as well. |
| 02:00.55 | pipeline | abrotman: Lisp and ruby. I'm a lazy man. |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | i wouldn't use phpbb as a shining example of any good PHP :) |
| 02:01.01 | Thaiger | I compiled a new kernel and set the usb-storage driver as a module, but whenever I modprobe usb-storage it says it can't find it |
| 02:01.03 | jcurry | abrotman, real hackers write *all* their code in lisp...duh |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | jcurry: oh .. silly me |
| 02:01.11 | pipeline | abrotman: I am not a programmer by trade. I use the languages that are convenient, not the languages that some customer wants. |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | someone should tell linus |
| 02:01.16 | jvw | abrotman: ack, its trackrecord is not very well.... |
| 02:01.17 | mne | jvw, of course software security is the same |
| 02:01.18 | jcurry | abrotman, :) |
| 02:01.20 | mdadm | do i need module-init-tools? |
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| 02:01.29 | jvw | abrotman: and I admit that even while maintaining it :) |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | mdadm: for 2.6? |
| 02:01.42 | mdadm | yah 2.6... |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | jvw: yeah .. well .. you package it .. not write it |
| 02:01.43 | jvw | or rather, especially because... |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | mdadm: yes |
| 02:01.48 | pipeline | jvw: There are dedicated hosting companies that do nothing but bulletin boards. And they're not that expensive if you're not running an obscenely high-traffic board and you don't care about groupware / collaboration stuff. |
| 02:02.01 | mdadm | abrotman: make modules_install.... |
| 02:02.07 | jvw | too bad upstream is not very responsive/clueful about security issues... |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | pipeline: i've used some .. they're not so good |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | the ones i used anyways |
| 02:02.25 | FieldySnuts | that's an understatement |
| 02:02.26 | mne | jvw, anyway, thanks for your concern ;) |
| 02:02.44 | mdadm | abrotman: well makes modules_install ....after that what should I do? |
| 02:02.45 | jvw | pipeline: I think they get just as easily hacked as your own board, but whatever |
| 02:02.54 | pipeline | mne: If you're hellbent on hosting it yourself, you could give Invision a shot. It's easy to set up and you have someone to run to when something goes wrong. It's not particularly cheap, though. $200, IIRC. |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | mdadm: you need module-init-tools |
| 02:03.02 | pipeline | jvw: Yes, and when it gets hacked, it's somebody else's job to fix it. |
| 02:03.13 | mdadm | abrotman: what do I do need to do with it? |
| 02:03.19 | abrotman | mne: i've the best idea yet .. write one yourself .. when it fucks up .. you've noone to blame but yourself |
| 02:03.22 | jvw | pipeline: sure, that the general idea with outsourcing |
| 02:03.26 | mdadm | abrotman: do I apt-get install module-init-tools ? |
| 02:03.27 | FieldySnuts | s/hacked/cracked/ come on we know better here |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | mdadm: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 02:03.33 | FieldySnuts | @hack abrotman |
| 02:03.33 | jvw | pipeline: has nothing to do with the question what's more secure though |
| 02:03.36 | pipeline | jvw: The whole point is to offload the pain and trouble to somebody else. Bulletin boards are a pretty specialized niche in web hosting. |
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| 02:03.42 | abrotman | who hacked me? |
| 02:03.44 | mne | abrotman, good suggestion ;) |
| 02:03.47 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:03.56 | jetscreamer | some bird flipped you off |
| 02:04.02 | mdadm | abrotman: yah I compiled ... |
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| 02:04.14 | mdadm | abrotman: i make bzImage.... |
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| 02:04.22 | abrotman | mdadm: why? |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | i dont' care how |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:04.39 | FieldySnuts | because he wants to, let him |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | he obviously doesn't know how |
| 02:04.50 | mdadm | abrotman: i needed ip-tables...for this one firewall program |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | apt-get install iptables ? |
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| 02:05.11 | abrotman | what the hell is wrong with that? |
| 02:05.57 | Katia | hola |
| 02:05.57 | thomas_adam | abrotman: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html (update) |
| 02:06.13 | mdadm | abrotman: i agree...dont know....but whenever i load the firewall it tries to call modprobe ip_tables... |
| 02:06.33 | mdadm | abrotman: and then things barf...so im thinking ok...setup ip-tables as a module..and recompile.. |
| 02:06.46 | akusarujin | hmm, i'm sortof new to the en_US as opposed to US keyboard map, is there any place i can go for reference as to what the key combinations are for various lesser-used symbols? |
| 02:06.52 | psyklops | what debian package contains libspeedo.a and spencode.o ? |
| 02:06.55 | pipeline | mdadm: Seriously, dude, install a stock package. |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | mdadm: it was a module |
| 02:06.59 | pipeline | psyklops: Just install x-window-system |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | err is |
| 02:07.11 | pipeline | mdadm: You can save yourself all of this bullshit and have it up and running in ten minutes. |
| 02:07.21 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I wish. |
| 02:07.29 | psyklops | okay, second half of the question, how do I reinstall x-window-system without uninstalling everything dependant on it |
| 02:07.36 | mdadm | pipeline: ok im gonna do a stock...sounds more convenient...either that or forget about the firewall :) |
| 02:07.36 | abrotman | thomas_adam: what are you on .. 128k line? |
| 02:07.51 | akusarujin | psyklops, dpkg --force-help |
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| 02:08.07 | thomas_adam | abrotman: About that. But the server is a mere P166 |
| 02:08.13 | pipeline | mdadm: I've been using Linux for a fairly long time, and I'm proud to say that I only use the stock kernel. |
| 02:08.30 | akusarujin | psyklops, just be careful, that lists a powerful set of flags. |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: and? |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | thomas_adam: scaling those images might help :) |
| 02:09.00 | mdadm | pipeline: any easy howto on how to get the stock kernel up and running? just google it? :) |
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| 02:09.06 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Hehe. |
| 02:09.21 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nice* |
| 02:09.25 | psyklops | yeah... I don't want to break my system any further than it is... it still boots at least |
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| 02:09.34 | jetscreamer | is kmix/gmix just a front end for some mixer? if so, which mixer(and i don't have it but k/g/mix still functions) and if not, how the hell do you get this crud to save settings |
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| 02:09.42 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: hehe. :) |
| 02:09.57 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Looks yummy as all hell. :) |
| 02:10.01 | mdadm | pipeline: i guess the reason im kinda hesitant is because it took me all day yesterday to get the system up and running and im worried about breaking it...i just wanna do some development work on this machine...dont wanna mess around with the os too much |
| 02:10.07 | pipeline | mdadm: In theory, all you have to do is install the package and everything else will "just work" |
| 02:10.16 | pipeline | mdadm: In reality, you may have screwed up your lilo configuration in some way |
| 02:10.21 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: They certainly all were. :) |
| 02:10.28 | jetscreamer | mdadm apt-cache search kernel-image-2.(4/6) then apt-get install one |
| 02:10.35 | pipeline | mdadm: I suggest you uninstall lilo, install grub, and THEN install a kernel package |
| 02:10.41 | FieldySnuts | he's trying to install a grsecurity kernel |
| 02:10.44 | pipeline | mdadm: In case your grub configuration is broken, you can still boot the system. |
| 02:10.46 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
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| 02:11.01 | jetscreamer | btw you can mv lilo.conf and liloconfig will generate a new one |
| 02:11.16 | pipeline | jetscreamer, FieldySnuts: I think he's just trying to get iptables working. |
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| 02:12.14 | stephen__ | hi |
| 02:12.17 | stephen__ | i am using debian |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | thomas_adam: not how i would have done it .. but ok |
| 02:12.23 | stephen__ | and i am wondering how to play games on debian |
| 02:12.26 | michal_ | does anyone know know of any CHEAP routers that can handle 100mbit NAT ? by cheap I mean cheaper than a cheap PC |
| 02:12.35 | Thaiger | I just compile a new kernel and I made suer I compiled the usb-storage module and I can find the file but when I try to modprobe it it says Can't locate module |
| 02:12.36 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Late to the party, but ?? |
| 02:12.44 | karsten | abrotman: WRT being funny. |
| 02:12.44 | jetscreamer | stephen__, me i just start the game and start the killing... what game |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | karsten: i got to read Michael Dean tonight :) |
| 02:13.03 | stephen__ | Steam, Americas Army, Half Life 2 , all leading back to steam |
| 02:13.03 | maher | michal_: can't your average cable modem router do that |
| 02:13.11 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. Which post(s)? |
| 02:13.14 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Oh yeah. I *love* stuffed trout. Reminds me of my Mum's cooking. |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | karsten: this month .. |
| 02:13.20 | FieldySnuts | aa doesn't use steam |
| 02:13.20 | michal_ | maher: no it can't.. they max out around 35mbit |
| 02:13.36 | karsten | abrotman: If I could only find out what damned schools he's working with, I'm in the area. |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | karsten: i know dloss from another project .. and he was saying that his mailing list members are going to kill each other :) |
| 02:13.55 | karsten | abrotman: I know doug from way back, about 8 years now. |
| 02:13.58 | jetscreamer | stephen__, i can't help you with those... i'm good with pure id products though |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | karsten: he works near the town i grew up in |
| 02:14.07 | stephen__ | id? |
| 02:14.10 | stephen__ | Doom 3? |
| 02:14.13 | jetscreamer | idsoftware |
| 02:14.14 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:14.16 | karsten | abrotman: ...and I'm nowhere near wanting to kill anyone, though Dean strikes me as mentally unstable. |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | karsten: about 10 miles down the road |
| 02:14.27 | stephen__ | how i mount ISO/Bin on Linux? |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | karsten: i liked the one he sent to you on the side ... that was so freaking funny |
| 02:14.33 | jetscreamer | stephen__, more like id makes it easy to install |
| 02:14.44 | karsten | abrotman: OK. He used to post way back in the day to the InfoWorld Electric forums. |
| 02:14.49 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :) I was a bit put-off with gutting the sea bass, earlier. |
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| 02:15.00 | karsten | stephen__: mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r <file> <mountpoint> |
| 02:15.06 | stephen__ | k |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | karsten: seems like the guy you'd never want to hang out with |
| 02:15.07 | karsten | abrotman: Wasn't that just classic? |
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| 02:15.15 | stephen__ | How i play Steam on Debian? |
| 02:15.22 | abrotman | karsten: it was rediculous .. "I'd be in bed with her" .. what a fucking loser :) |
| 02:15.22 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Yeah. I've never had to gut something that big. Always had a good fish monger. |
| 02:15.36 | stephen__ | How i play Steam on Debian? |
| 02:15.36 | jetscreamer | stephen__, something like mount /home/jetx/dl/video/dvdr-starsky.and.hutch.img /dvd -o loop |
| 02:15.47 | stephen__ | K |
| 02:15.48 | karsten | abrotman: Um. Yeah. Googling him turns up a Philipino mail-order-bride type scam. |
| 02:15.52 | abrotman | karsten: but .. actually .. and probably more acurately .. a troll |
| 02:15.53 | stephen__ | Debian and unbuntu same? |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | no |
| 02:16.08 | karsten | abrotman: IMO: seriously mentally unbalanced. Seems to go off his meds periodically. |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | and it's UBUNTU! |
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| 02:16.16 | scarynetworkguy | stephen__: FUCK no |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | karsten: or seriously never been laid :) |
| 02:16.23 | jetscreamer | mount blah.iso /mountplace -o loop |
| 02:16.31 | karsten | abrotman: _UN_buntu. I like it. Sounds like a UN agency or something. |
| 02:16.42 | karsten | abrotman: Well, he's got a sexy philipina wife. |
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| 02:16.48 | karsten | abrotman: ...or so he says. |
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| 02:17.00 | cef | ubuntu != debian, but ubuntu is loosely based on debian, and they do resemble each other a fair bit |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | karsten: now .. i'm sheltered .. i've yet to see a sexy phillipino woman |
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| 02:17.34 | stephen__ | How i play Steam on Debian? |
| 02:17.46 | karsten | abrotman: Um. They can be. Trust. |
| 02:17.49 | michal_ | doesn't any company make a router grunty enough to do 100mbit NAT?? It's impossible to find any sort of performance statistics on the net :/ |
| 02:17.50 | zinx | stephen__: ask valve |
| 02:17.56 | stephen__ | they wont tell em |
| 02:17.59 | stephen__ | me* |
| 02:18.04 | zinx | stephen__: then you're out of luck |
| 02:18.04 | scarynetworkguy | stephen__: You buy whatever they are calling winex these days. According to directhex. |
| 02:18.09 | jepel_tailweaver | anyone know why dillo on debian doesn't support tabs? |
| 02:18.12 | stephen__ | UBuntu or DEBIAN |
| 02:18.21 | stephen__ | ah WineX |
| 02:18.44 | karsten | jepel_tailweaver: Probably 'coz it's an older release, if tabs are in newer dillo. |
| 02:18.48 | stephen__ | No wineX |
| 02:18.54 | stephen__ | ther is something called Cedega |
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| 02:18.56 | abrotman | karsten: never seen one |
| 02:18.58 | lordurza | winex = cedega |
| 02:19.04 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: What kind of price range are you thinking of? |
| 02:19.05 | stephen__ | o Ic |
| 02:19.11 | abrotman | karsten: though . .that said .. i did sleep with a half phillipino/american girl :) |
| 02:19.12 | stephen__ | Ubuntu or Debian |
| 02:19.17 | lordurza | they had to change the name of it so it is now called cedega |
| 02:19.17 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: cheaper than a cheap PC |
| 02:19.28 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Then you are shit out of luck. |
| 02:19.42 | stephen__ | What should i DL and Use Ubuntu or Debian |
| 02:19.55 | pipeline | stephen__: Install debian sarge. |
| 02:20.05 | pipeline | stephen__: It uses the same installer as ubuntu, and there's about five times as much software available. |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | karsten: but i really do think he's a troll .. i read part of the "Don't advocate Linux in schools" thread .. what a wacko |
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| 02:20.17 | stephen__ | sarge |
| 02:20.20 | scarynetworkguy | stephen__: Would you go to a Honda dealer and ask him if you should buy a Honda or a Ford? |
| 02:20.20 | stephen__ | sound funny |
| 02:20.28 | pipeline | stephen__: If you want the same environment as Ubuntu, just run "apt-get install gnome x-window-system" after the install fineshes. |
| 02:20.31 | karsten | abrotman: A lot of the more exotic actresses you'll find are filipina mix. Though I can't think of names ATM. |
| 02:20.36 | pipeline | stephen__: Debian versions are named after Toy Story characters. |
| 02:20.41 | stephen__ | lol |
| 02:20.44 | daffy-pkf | what program do you recommand me for instant messenging? i also need to be able to contact peoples on msn... |
| 02:20.46 | stephen__ | Bs! |
| 02:20.47 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: what's the problem? no market for them? just sticking a gruntier cpu into the existing routers wouldn't do too much to increase the cost but would improve performance tremendously.. or is it just that they don't want to impact their high end margins? |
| 02:20.48 | stephen__ | no way |
| 02:20.49 | stephen__ | really? |
| 02:20.51 | pipeline | stephen__: Ubuntu versions are named after african animals. "Warty warthog" etc |
| 02:20.51 | xam | stephen_: next one will be etch |
| 02:21.01 | stephen__ | etCH? yeah? |
| 02:21.02 | pipeline | stephen__: slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch |
| 02:21.08 | lordurza | stephen__ that is up to you which you would use but I prefere Debian it self over ubunto but that is my opionion |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: gaim |
| 02:21.28 | cef | pipeline: actually not necessarily african.. just animals.. |
| 02:21.28 | stephen__ | why? |
| 02:21.30 | lordurza | tho I do agree with the naming scheme the names ubunto is using sound retarded |
| 02:21.35 | stephen__ | Debian and Ubuntu |
| 02:21.36 | pipeline | cef: Whatever, they're pretty stupid. |
| 02:21.39 | stephen__ | Same Sh*T no? |
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| 02:21.47 | pipeline | stephen__: Ubuntu is a fork. |
| 02:21.49 | xam | heh |
| 02:21.51 | lordurza | stephen__ No it isnt the same ubunto is simply based off of |
| 02:21.53 | pipeline | stephen__: There are about forty debian forks. |
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| 02:21.58 | khanman | dumb question here: why etch and slink and potato? and not the main chars like buzz ( i know woody is a main character) |
| 02:21.58 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> ok i watch... i noticed jabber, is it good? |
| 02:22.01 | stephen__ | Forks? |
| 02:22.02 | stephen__ | wtf |
| 02:22.02 | pipeline | stephen__: Pretty much all of the debian forks are long dead. |
| 02:22.11 | lordurza | pipeline ths an understatment seems debian is the new slack/rh lol |
| 02:22.12 | stephen__ | but Ubuntu |
| 02:22.20 | pipeline | stephen__: People take debian's work, put a new name and desktop wallpaper on it, and call it something new. A fork. |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: i like jabber .. offline messaging |
| 02:22.25 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Because for real routers the market will bear the price and there is no real market for consumer level stuff over ~$70 .us. |
| 02:22.27 | stephen__ | O ic |
| 02:22.37 | stephen__ | So Ubuntu Bunch of Copying fock heads? |
| 02:22.43 | xam | khanman: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 02:22.49 | pipeline | stephen__: No, it's perfectly legitimate and perfectly legal. Nothing wrong with forking debian. |
| 02:23.01 | stephen__ | true |
| 02:23.01 | pipeline | stephen__: Free software is really, really, truly, free. |
| 02:23.10 | cef | pipeline: admittedly though.. ubuntu are pushing back patches quite a bit.. and more so once sarge is out the door |
| 02:23.16 | xam | khanman: does this answer your question? ;) |
| 02:23.16 | briareus | free as in speech, baby, lovin it! |
| 02:23.20 | khanman | xam: i know the names..just wondering why they picked some of the lesser important characters |
| 02:23.21 | lordurza | pipeline should define that tho linux just isnt free its opensource making it legal |
| 02:23.22 | daffy-pkf | abrotman> gaim... it does a lot of things, won't it be a big thing for me? i'll only use msn... and one other (which one is the most used under linux?) |
| 02:23.28 | pipeline | cef: I don't really care about Ubuntu. Canonical is shadowy. |
| 02:23.34 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: i don't use MSN .. |
| 02:23.35 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: seems to me like there is a big missing gap between consumer and corporate.. why is there no prosumer market? |
| 02:23.37 | stephen__ | so u want me to use debian |
| 02:23.39 | lordurza | well guys off to work I go cya around |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | daffy-pkf: i know that gaim does many protocols |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:23.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:23.43 | xam | khanman: because 'buzz' has already been used? |
| 02:23.43 | pipeline | lordurza: The correct term is "free" software. There is a lot of open source software that does not grant users the four freedoms. |
| 02:23.49 | michal_ | heh.. missing gap.. i surprise myself sometimes |
| 02:23.50 | khanman | ohw |
| 02:23.55 | khanman | duh :) |
| 02:23.57 | lordurza | pipeline true sry cya later |
| 02:24.11 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Because there are not enough people who want them to get any economies of scale going. |
| 02:24.12 | pipeline | stephen__: I consider debian to be a vastly superior product. Fewer bugs, much more available software. |
| 02:24.13 | xam | khanman: at least do us the favour and read the stuff we post ... |
| 02:24.20 | khanman | you know if you get stephen* using debian..youll never get rid of him ;) |
| 02:24.22 | stephen__ | ic |
| 02:24.32 | khanman | xam: easy boy |
| 02:24.33 | pipeline | khanman: That's ok. |
| 02:24.35 | khanman | be nice eh? |
| 02:24.36 | stephen__ | pipleline i been using ubuntu for like 2 hours on my other system |
| 02:24.37 | stephen__ | this is XP |
| 02:24.43 | xam | khanman: had bad night, sorry |
| 02:24.43 | stephen__ | but ya ubuntu seems to be ok |
| 02:24.49 | stephen__ | might put Debian on here |
| 02:24.52 | stephen__ | dunno |
| 02:24.58 | stephen__ | 1 thing i learned |
| 02:25.07 | stephen__ | LINUX Dont got any entertainment |
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| 02:25.15 | pipeline | stephen__: Well, we don't particularly care, but if you want help with Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. |
| 02:25.15 | khanman | xam: its ok..im married..and used to mood swings (: |
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| 02:25.27 | scarynetworkguy | !tell stephen__ about enter |
| 02:25.28 | pipeline | stephen__: If you want help with real debian, come here. |
| 02:25.35 | cef | pipeline: that doesn't mean we shouldn't review what they have done though. if they're going to take from debian, then we should take stuff back in return |
| 02:25.39 | stephen__ | I am linux noob |
| 02:25.44 | stephen__ | 1 of the reasons i chose ubuntu |
| 02:25.46 | pipeline | cef: They haven't done anything yet. |
| 02:25.48 | karsten | abrotman: NSFW: http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2004/11/25/half-korean-filipino-actress-gets-nekkid-to-find-biological-dad/ |
| 02:25.55 | stephen__ | prob only 1 |
| 02:26.06 | xam | khanman: well, dumped my girlfriend two days ago ... she still has to pick up her stuff |
| 02:26.09 | pipeline | stephen__: I suggest you install "gtypist" |
| 02:26.17 | stephen__ | wtf is that |
| 02:26.21 | cef | pipeline: define 'anything' as that's a bit broad |
| 02:26.41 | karsten | abrotman: Rachel Grant, Bond Girl (Die Another Day). |
| 02:26.42 | pipeline | cef: They have done nothing of interest as of yet. |
| 02:26.47 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: i don't agree with that. stuff like the linksys wrt54g sells like hotcakes because there is a marker of people who want more. as far as wireless broadband routers go it's prosumer after you replace the software.. there is a market there |
| 02:27.01 | pipeline | michal_: The market is too small to realize economies of scale. |
| 02:27.09 | xam | khanman: that's why I'm easily pissed off lately ... sorry again |
| 02:27.12 | pipeline | michal_: Not every demand can be satisfied. |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | karsten: ok .. but not full filipino |
| 02:27.47 | stephen__ | pipeline |
| 02:27.52 | stephen__ | i have cedega now |
| 02:27.56 | stephen__ | what i do with it |
| 02:27.58 | stephen__ | lol |
| 02:28.00 | michal_ | pipeline: don't you think the wrt54g (for example) is succesful because the market ISN'T too small? the only thing that sets it apart is that you can easily install more powerful software on it |
| 02:28.09 | abrotman | stephen__: are you running ubuntu? |
| 02:28.11 | pipeline | stephen__: First, you never say "lol" again. Secondly, you install it and follow the documentation that comes with cedega. |
| 02:28.19 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: No it's a not bad Linksys box. What kind of price range are you imgining this so called "prosumer" geat would be? |
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| 02:28.26 | stephen__ | well.. i err.. downloaded it? |
| 02:28.35 | stephen__ | do not hurt me |
| 02:28.38 | jetscreamer | is kmix/gmix just a front end for some mixer? if so, which mixer(and i don't have it but k/g/mix still functions) and if not, how the hell do you get this/these to save settings across reboots |
| 02:28.47 | stephen__ | o ya |
| 02:28.48 | pipeline | michal_: The WRT54G is offered at the price point its at because it has mass appeal. They may be winning a few more sales due to its expandibility, but that's not enough to realize economies of scale on a dedicated product. |
| 02:28.50 | psyklops | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found |
| 02:28.52 | stephen__ | INSTALLING DEBIAN was to hard for me |
| 02:28.56 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: well even if it cost twice as much as the linksys and didn't do wireless but had a processor 3 times faster than that would do it. |
| 02:28.57 | cef | stephen__: if you're running it now, join #ubuntu and go ask in there |
| 02:28.58 | psyklops | how do I fix that? |
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| 02:29.06 | pipeline | stephen__: Debian has the same installer as Ubuntu. I don't see how that's possible. |
| 02:29.23 | cef | pipeline: ubuntu has automated a lot of the |
| 02:29.26 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Uh, oss or alsa? |
| 02:29.31 | zinx | pipeline: probably woody |
| 02:29.31 | jetscreamer | oss |
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| 02:29.35 | pipeline | cef: automated what? a scripted installer? |
| 02:29.42 | cef | pipeline: ubuntu has automated a lot of the user process.. moreso than even d-i has |
| 02:29.45 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Install "aumix" and hit "s" after you make the desired changes. |
| 02:29.48 | pipeline | cef: Uh, ubuntu IS d-i. |
| 02:29.49 | zinx | pipeline: whereas ubuntu has the shiny new sarge installer |
| 02:30.04 | pipeline | Bah, ubuntu is a passing fad. |
| 02:30.06 | pipeline | Another storm linux |
| 02:30.07 | xam | karsten: should be easy for her to find her dad if he also has a blurred breast. Must be genetic I guess |
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| 02:30.08 | pipeline | another progeny |
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| 02:30.11 | cef | pipeline: with added patch |
| 02:30.11 | pipeline | another xandros |
| 02:30.19 | cef | patches even |
| 02:30.23 | pipeline | cef: I don't think there's any patch. You can script d-i very easily. |
| 02:30.25 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: the 200mhz processor is fine in the wrt54g for wireless.. but for wired networks it doesn't really cut it. |
| 02:30.35 | karsten | xam: Yeah, it's the pixelated genome thing. |
| 02:30.38 | pipeline | cef: I think d-i is probably the best installer ever devised. |
| 02:30.41 | cef | pipeline: yes. scripting that debian itself isn't using to the extent ubuntu does |
| 02:30.57 | jetscreamer | i set my aolified buddy's w54g up :/ |
| 02:31.06 | pipeline | cef: Why would it, out of the box? Most people don't want all that garbage installed by default, and tasksel is provided for those who do. |
| 02:31.06 | cef | pipeline: I'm not disagreeing with you on the best installer point |
| 02:31.33 | pipeline | cef: seriously, a monkey just pressing enter could install sarge |
| 02:31.48 | cef | pipeline: "most people" is too broad.. most new people have no idea what they do or don't want |
| 02:31.56 | karsten | abrotman: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=actress+mom+dad+%22her+looks%22+philippine+OR+filipina+OR+filipino+OR+philippines&btnG=Search |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | karsten: but not mom and dad are filipono |
| 02:32.26 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Proc speed is not the bottleneck with routers. You are talking about something on par with a 1721. I got the one setting on my desk used for .us $300, because the guy owed me a favor. New they are closer to .us $1,200. Now you tell me why they would want to take that kind of a price hit to sell it to people who are then going to bitch and moan about it being hard to configure. |
| 02:32.32 | karsten | abrotman: Anyway, enough of that... |
| 02:32.33 | cef | and many people install a "stable" release (which means they get bad impressions from woody).. DESPITE people telling them to use sarge & d-i |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | karsten: hhe .. michael dean rules! |
| 02:32.54 | karsten | abrotman: Point being, yes, there's some cuties. Tend to be awfully catholic though (not that there's anything wrong with that...) |
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| 02:33.54 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: how can you say proc speed isn't the bottleneck? the wrt54g with 120mhz processor can NAT at around 25mbit.. the updated model with a 200mhz processor can nat at around 35mbit.. clearly there is a directly proportional link there |
| 02:34.11 | pipeline | michal_: The WRT54G is pretty crippled. |
| 02:34.26 | pipeline | michal_: It's not designed to handle more than 11 mbit, or do anything more complicated than the processing for RIPv1 and WEP |
| 02:34.37 | karsten | abrotman: For more fun and games, on my _other_ favorite topic.... |
| 02:34.38 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: i wanted to buy a 1720 just to learn IOS. i didn't put my bid in properly and I got outbid by someone who won it for $151AUS :/ bargain |
| 02:34.39 | pipeline | michal_: You're stretching it well beyond what it was designed to do as cheaply as possible. |
| 02:34.52 | karsten | abrotman: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.galeon.user/3504 |
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| 02:34.55 | pipeline | michal_: Seeing as I have used 60 MHz systems that can saturate 100mbit connections, your hypothesis is a load of crap. |
| 02:35.01 | pipeline | michal_: We had this conversation two days ago. |
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| 02:35.08 | michal_ | pipeline: what does it matter as long as it works? maybe it won't last 5 years but it would do the job well |
| 02:35.19 | pipeline | michal_: You just complained that it was too slow. That's what it matters. |
| 02:35.28 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: You are so far on the low end of things that you can't even see a real router from where you are. The WRT%$G is a *very* good home NAT box. It is not in any way shape or form a real router and trying to compare it to real gear is apples and oranges. |
| 02:35.37 | pipeline | michal_: It was designed to do specific, limited things as cheaply as humanly possible. You're stretching it to do much more complex things. |
| 02:35.40 | michal_ | pipeline: how can YOU compare an x86 processorr to some Broadcom embedded processor? |
| 02:35.55 | pipeline | michal_: I'm comparing a SM61 SPARC running on an Sbus system. |
| 02:35.56 | cef | pipeline: unfortunately new standards evolve and new firmware just won't have the processing power to do the job.. it's an annoying thing with most of those sorts of consumer devices.. too little margin, not enough headroom |
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| 02:36.04 | pipeline | cef: Yup. |
| 02:36.23 | pipeline | michal_: Most x86 systems STILL can't handle multiple 100 mbit connections due to bus issues. |
| 02:36.32 | cef | pipeline: more annoying is when the bigger companies like cisco have almost exactly the same problem |
| 02:36.41 | RRT | can i listen to shn files in my debian sarge desktop install? |
| 02:36.47 | pipeline | cef: Heh, but crisco does it deliberately in order to make you buy the next ugly huge thing. |
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| 02:36.53 | michal_ | I just want to connect 5 houses in serial at 100mbit without needing to buy 5 compouters or have them all on the same LAN. |
| 02:36.55 | pipeline | RRT: Yeah, I think gstreamer handles shn. |
| 02:37.17 | michal_ | and I want to have the maximum 100mbit between each adjacent house |
| 02:37.18 | pipeline | michal_: Uh, what network medium runs at 100 mbit at that distance? Using FDDI? |
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| 02:37.43 | michal_ | pipeline: 30metres cable between each house.. standard cat5e |
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| 02:38.00 | karsten | pipeline: cat5 is good for ~200M per spec IIRC. |
| 02:38.03 | cef | pipeline: true.. one of their recent 802.11g AP's didn't have the processor power to do 802.11i (WPA2) so they have to now swap out the wireless card for a new one with an 802.11i co-processor on board |
| 02:38.11 | michal_ | 100metres from what i've read |
| 02:38.20 | pipeline | michal_: That's extremely unsafe. DO NOT DO THAT. |
| 02:38.31 | pipeline | michal_: Absolutely, positively, do not do that. |
| 02:38.40 | pipeline | michal_: It will void your homeowner's insurance, among other things. |
| 02:38.48 | pipeline | michal_: Assuming you don't kill yourself. |
| 02:39.02 | RRT | think i remember seeing that package go by as install was happening but am not finding it in applications menu |
| 02:39.04 | michal_ | it's certainly safer than all the electricity wiring in this house |
| 02:39.10 | pipeline | michal_: No, you idiot, it's not. |
| 02:39.15 | karsten | pipeline: Um. What's so dangerous -- I'm mssing something. |
| 02:39.19 | cef | pipeline: funny thing was, the AP was released about 3 months before WPA1 went out the door, and WPA2 was a known issue about 9 months before that.. *sigh* quite typical stuff |
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| 02:39.27 | michal_ | yes it is. we had power leaking from the mains to the antenna |
| 02:39.46 | pipeline | michal_, karsten: Moving between multiple sets of residential wiring, you'll have different grounds on each end of the cable. It's extremely easy to light fires or electrocute yourself that way. |
| 02:39.53 | pipeline | michal_, karsten: it *WILL* void your insurance. |
| 02:40.00 | karsten | pipeline: OK. |
| 02:40.01 | pipeline | michal_, karsten: even for unrelated claims |
| 02:40.28 | pipeline | michal_: Use fiber, use optical, use wireless, absolutely, positively, do NOT NOT NOT use any kind of twisted-pair. |
| 02:40.31 | michal_ | what grounds? the network switches don't even connect to ground |
| 02:40.36 | pipeline | michal_: Yes they do, you moron. |
| 02:40.56 | pipeline | michal_: This is why we have licensed electricians and certified network janitors. You don't do this kind of thing. |
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| 02:40.59 | michal_ | no they do NOT.. the power cables they use do not support ground |
| 02:41.05 | ftp | hi, where is my ident changed? |
| 02:41.15 | ftp | i use irssi-test |
| 02:41.19 | ftp | text |
| 02:41.21 | karsten | ftp: What identity, wehere? |
| 02:41.21 | pipeline | michal_: They are, never-the-less, grounded via the chassis. That's how electrical devices work, you idiot. There's no such thing as electrical potential without a relative ground. |
| 02:41.27 | karsten | ftp: /nick <newnick> |
| 02:41.32 | ftp | i guess i should go to their # |
| 02:41.36 | scarynetworkguy | God what a fucking moron. |
| 02:41.38 | ftp | irc ident |
| 02:41.55 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: Let him kill himself. "Think of it as evolution in action". |
| 02:42.03 | ftp | i set it up but now i forgot! |
| 02:42.05 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: Think of his family |
| 02:42.06 | ftp | haha ok byez |
| 02:42.18 | michal_ | pipeline: if they were grounded via the chassis then the ground could be different even in the same house. i mean it's sitting on rubber feet so it's not like it's conducting to anything |
| 02:42.32 | pipeline | michal_: It will not be very different, as everything is connected. |
| 02:42.43 | pipeline | michal_: It's not different enough to be very dangerous, although I have had problems of that kind. |
| 02:42.47 | cef | actually twisted pair was supposed to get around the whole ground issue by using a voltage reference design + & - per pair, and the pair is supposed to ungrounded with respect to the device - but these things aren't always the case |
| 02:43.04 | xam | scarynetworkguy: well, I think murphy will interfere and nothing will happen, and he will outlive you both, standing at your funerals saying 'told you so!' |
| 02:43.35 | pipeline | michal_: It's vitally important that you not go through with this mad plan. FDDI isn't that expensive these days, you could jury rig some kind of tubing to protect the fiber runs. |
| 02:43.51 | pipeline | michal_: And then you would get a guaranteed 100 mbit :) |
| 02:43.52 | karsten | michal_: It's conducting via the power cord. If you're in the US, there's both bladed polarity, and (three-pronged plug) a ground wire. Generally wired to your plumbing. |
| 02:44.02 | jetscreamer | hey wtf does this mean: 3.3.x or 3.4.x |
| 02:44.06 | jetscreamer | !info kde |
| 02:44.09 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:43 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so close |
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| 02:44.25 | abrotman | !info kdebase |
| 02:44.25 | karsten | jetscreamer: version 3.3.<minor version unspecified> |
| 02:44.28 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 02:44.39 | michal_ | it's too late. the cabling has already been installed.. one of the people who is connected IS an electician by trade and he didn't see this "problem" so I suspect that it's more theoretical than anything |
| 02:44.47 | jetscreamer | ah thankee |
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| 02:45.00 | jetscreamer | where's the 3.4 unofficial debs :) |
| 02:45.03 | pipeline | michal_: Oh christ. |
| 02:45.08 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 02:45.22 | ysothoth | This is awesome |
| 02:45.22 | cef | the big issue is when the difference in ground potential between each end is greater than what the cards on each end can safely protect against.. |
| 02:45.30 | pipeline | michal_: If the cabling is already installed, then you have an easy way of making fiber runs :) |
| 02:45.35 | xam | pipeline: don't waste your time on him |
| 02:45.47 | michal_ | i don't see how 5 volts is going to kill anyone anyway |
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| 02:45.50 | pipeline | michal_: another issue is that you're going to get really, really lousy throughput. |
| 02:45.56 | pipeline | michal_: Uh, it could very well be a lot more than 5 volts. |
| 02:46.08 | pipeline | michal_: If you're unlucky, it could be -50v or more. |
| 02:46.12 | michal_ | pipeline: getting same speed as between computers on my lan |
| 02:46.14 | xam | michal_: arghllll, it is NOT the voltage that is NORMALLY running through the cable |
| 02:46.19 | pipeline | michal_: Lots more. There's not really any upper limit. |
| 02:46.27 | pipeline | michal_: Lightning is fun in that case, too :) |
| 02:46.29 | michal_ | pipeline: the switches connect via a power brik.. it supplies 5v |
| 02:46.29 | scarynetworkguy | xam: TANJ. |
| 02:46.33 | jetscreamer | ooo rc3 d-i |
| 02:46.35 | cef | michal_: actually differences between ground potential from house to house could be as much as the double your supply voltage |
| 02:46.50 | pipeline | michal_: You really, really don't understand electrical basics, do you? I should be good at explaining this sort of thing, but I suck at my job. |
| 02:47.00 | cef | michal_: particularly if either house is wired up badly |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | pipeline: and you're qualified to tell me PHP sucks? |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:47.19 | Delph | michal_: what might happen is this. Your house has a pair of wires going to it. These wires are at a relative voltage of 240, or so. The other house has a similar arrangement. The relative voltage between the wires is 240. |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: this AM |
| 02:47.23 | Delph | *however* |
| 02:47.25 | pipeline | abrotman: My job is a physics instructor :P |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | Delph: not 240 here |
| 02:47.35 | cef | michal_: and particularly if they are fed from different phases |
| 02:47.35 | michal_ | don't the power bricks have a reasonabbly similar output regardless ofg the input? |
| 02:47.36 | pipeline | abrotman: For the electronics lab at the university |
| 02:47.37 | abrotman | oh .. dunno about .au |
| 02:47.43 | Delph | this doesn't mean the voltage with respect to the ground is the same. |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | pipeline: you must have worked at my uni :) |
| 02:47.49 | pipeline | michal_: Ok, look, the point here is that the ground is different in two different houses. |
| 02:47.57 | pipeline | michal_: Meaning that the voltage from the power supply is irrelevant. |
| 02:48.01 | pipeline | michal_: 5v here might be -50v there. |
| 02:48.03 | Delph | yes, especially if you're getting fed off another phase. |
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| 02:48.07 | pipeline | michal_: Even fifty feet away |
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| 02:48.16 | pipeline | michal_: The problem is that you're using multiple sets of residential wiring. |
| 02:48.23 | michal_ | is there a way to measure this without killing myself? i have a multimeter that can measure voltage |
| 02:48.25 | pipeline | michal_: if you had carefully grounded power-over-ethernet, it wouldn't be a problem. |
| 02:48.43 | pipeline | michal_: There's no practical way to find this out. The cheapest way is the hard way. |
| 02:48.44 | cef | michal_: they also have a safe value of difference (between input and output) they can handle.. if you exceed that, you can be in very big trouble |
| 02:49.04 | pipeline | michal_: for building-to-building runs, people use fiber for safety reasons, even if the buildings are across the street from each other. |
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| 02:49.10 | abrotman | just let him do it .. what's the worst that happens . Australia splits in half from the explosion? |
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| 02:49.23 | pipeline | abrotman: I see no reason to let him go uneducated. I come here to help people, after all. |
| 02:49.31 | michal_ | also won't the fuses in the fusebox stop anythig before it goes too far? |
| 02:49.33 | xam | abrotman: what would be bad about that? *ducks* |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | pipeline: about debian . not basic electronics :) |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | too far? |
| 02:49.50 | jetscreamer | just run a big long ground wire between the houses |
| 02:49.55 | pipeline | michal_: No. |
| 02:50.01 | cef | michal_: no.. fuses just stop it getting worse |
| 02:50.12 | Delph | michal_: the fuses blow when you have a silly current going through them. You have to have a silly current to start off with =:) |
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| 02:50.24 | pipeline | michal_: fuses just stop it from destroying every electrical device in the house. Everything plugged into the switch will still be pretty proper-fucked (including, possibly, you.) |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | pipeline: hopefully |
| 02:50.59 | michal_ | ok.. well i'm going to have a shower now and assuming i don't get electrocuted by the possibly increased potential difference leaking into my plumbing I'll be back soon and try to understand this better |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | michal_: you jest .. but .. |
| 02:51.16 | pipeline | michal_: It would be easier if I could draw you a picture, but I'm lazy. |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | i went to visit my friend .. and he warned me not to touch any metal in the shower while the water was running |
| 02:51.32 | pipeline | michal_: Also, in houses with old enough, pre-code wiring, things shorted to plumbing is a legitimate danger. |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | of course .. we found out .. it was the light over the stove in the next room that caused the shocks in the bathrooom |
| 02:51.58 | michal_ | all the houses here are at most 6 years old.. probably newer |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | pipeline: you don't know the laws where he lives |
| 02:52.13 | michal_ | but anyway.. i'll bbl |
| 02:52.22 | shingouz | michal_: does the acronym BBQ mean anything to you? :) |
| 02:52.25 | cef | abrotman: but I do *grin* |
| 02:52.38 | michal_ | barbecue.. but enough.. shower time. |
| 02:52.43 | abrotman | bzzt! |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | spelling is good! |
| 02:53.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, places that have such old electrical wiring have code |
| 02:53.43 | pipeline | abrotman: That is, anyplace shitty enough not to have relevant laws didn't have electricity until recently ;) |
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| 02:53.51 | cef | abrotman: the potential difference thing here could indeed be much worse.. 240Vac here, and many cases where each house, or even parts of houses, get fed AC that is out of phase |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | you guys have dirty power everywhere? |
| 02:54.45 | sh0rt | dirty? |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | dirty power |
| 02:55.05 | stouset | I want dirty powers. |
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| 02:55.15 | TBBle | Power that's all over the voltometer, and tends to be out of phase? |
| 02:55.15 | cef | abrotman: you asking me? |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | cef: i guess |
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| 02:55.24 | ysothoth | Evil turtle says: michal has a very good, perfectly safe idea. |
| 02:55.30 | Delph | cef: parts of houses would be impressive. |
| 02:55.35 | cef | abrotman: it's not as clean as I would like |
| 02:55.43 | pipeline | Delph, cef: I've lived in some sick and fucked up places. |
| 02:55.56 | cef | Delph: we've got 2 phases here in this house, and i know some with three |
| 02:56.06 | Delph | cef: w.t.f. |
| 02:56.12 | Delph | that is so broken. |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | that's australia :) |
| 02:56.32 | cef | Delph: distribution of current draw across all three phases |
| 02:56.46 | pipeline | abrotman: That's the rust belt. |
| 02:56.48 | cef | Delph: or that is the idea apparently.. |
| 02:56.53 | Delph | cef: yes, but balance it between the houses, not within a house. |
| 02:56.56 | jetscreamer | i don't remember but isn't america residential 3 phase? |
| 02:56.58 | pipeline | abrotman: I live in the states and I've lived in some bad, bad, bad houses. |
| 02:57.06 | abrotman | pipeline: as have i |
| 02:57.30 | Delph | jetscreamer: two phase, i thought. |
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| 02:57.30 | abrotman | pipeline: i live in PA :) |
| 02:57.30 | pipeline | jetscreamer: In the U.S., homes usually have several sets of electrical. |
| 02:57.30 | cef | Delph: some of the houses have quite a drain *grin* |
| 02:57.30 | Delph | cef: even so; that's really quite dangerous =:/ |
| 02:57.42 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Sometimes 3-phase, sometimes 240, sometimes 240 but not really, always with 110. |
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| 02:57.46 | jetscreamer | i remember something about 220 and 4phase (been a long time) |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | pipeline: the house i grew up in .. is now about 95 years old .. those were some crappy wires :) |
| 02:58.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, my grandparents house had the old cog-style switches (thankfully disconnected) |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: for AC plugs i think .. maybe stoves etc also .. but not normal stuff |
| 02:58.13 | jetscreamer | generators i think |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | pipeline: the push buttons? or the turnie/clicky? |
| 02:58.53 | pipeline | abrotman: turn/click |
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| 02:59.05 | abrotman | pipeline: ewww .. we had the big push button ones :) |
| 02:59.13 | pipeline | abrotman: As in, early electrical systems. Back when they used cloth insulation. |
| 02:59.16 | xam | 'dirty power' is one more reason to get an active UPS |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | pipeline: we had some of that :) |
| 02:59.22 | cef | anyway yeah, because of 3 phase, and at 240, the (average) max potential is 340v (peak) + 240v (average peak in other direction).. though for safety you should probably just assume 680v |
| 02:59.25 | sh0rt | ok so onto plumbing :) |
| 02:59.29 | pipeline | xam: Or an el-cheapo conditioner. |
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| 02:59.56 | pipeline | cef: You know what's really fun? jury rigging 3-phase power supplies to run on regular 220 |
| 03:00.13 | cef | pipeline: heh.. tsk tsk |
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| 03:01.29 | rixth_ | When you install Sarge, you get to a place where you can configure your networkd care, you can out ip address, subnet, domain etc, how can I geto to that again? |
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| 03:01.38 | cef | Delph: btw: usually almost all electrical equipment in a house is on one phase, but things like ovens and heaters (hard installed appliances) tend to be on the other phase |
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| 03:02.05 | Ethiainen | heyas all |
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| 03:02.07 | jetscreamer | rixth_, that's a good question :) |
| 03:02.17 | shingouz | cef: they tend to be three phase... |
| 03:02.18 | pipeline | cef: Heh, it's not as bad as it sounds, as most 3-phase computer gear is jury rigged anyway. VAXen and SGI systems only use 3-phase because only 3-phase systems are rigged with enough current to handle it :P |
| 03:02.39 | rixth_ | jetscreamer, but do we have the solution! |
| 03:02.45 | cef | rixth_: the info gets stored in /etc/network/interfaces, so you could just edit that file.. 'man interfaces' for the format of the stuff in there |
| 03:02.54 | pipeline | cef: Of course, in .au, everything you buy is probably jury-rigged that way. |
| 03:03.27 | rixth_ | My school has said they will host a Debian box for me to work o0n as COmputer studies is too easy. I couldn't get it on the network though :( |
| 03:03.32 | cef | pipeline: possibly.. possibly not |
| 03:03.34 | rixth_ | I'll take a look at that man page |
| 03:03.36 | xam | rixth_: apt-get install base-config? |
| 03:03.56 | jetscreamer | !info network-console-config |
| 03:03.56 | rixth_ | xam, I thought too, but it isn't. |
| 03:03.56 | dpkg | network-console-config: (Debian base system configurator - network console), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 03:04.08 | jetscreamer | however, rixth_ i don't know how to get the damn thing to work |
| 03:04.29 | jetscreamer | but that's what you need |
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| 03:04.36 | xam | rixth_: well editing /etc/network/interfaces is really one of the easiest ways ... |
| 03:04.49 | Delph | cef: hmm, wasn't how our old house was rigged up. |
| 03:04.54 | dabreegster | Is there any way to map a key on the console with a keymap to more than one action? Like F1 could be mapped to Console_1 and Control_a. |
| 03:05.06 | jetscreamer | rixth_, you might get the kanotix/knoppix script that sets it up... probably much easier to actualy finish |
| 03:05.26 | cef | Delph: but you're in the UK, right? *grin* |
| 03:05.29 | jetscreamer | netcardconfig or something |
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| 03:07.33 | Delph | cef: aye. |
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| 03:08.04 | rixth_ | Gah. The system admin is a Microsoft whore. He didn't even know waht the networks subnet mask was. |
| 03:08.15 | rixth_ | It's all DHCP configure, which is just great. |
| 03:08.20 | cef | Delph: and I'm pretty sure that aus deployed it's electricity grid later than the UK *grin* |
| 03:08.50 | Delph | cef: aye, but i live in a new town, so nothing existed before 1945. |
| 03:09.38 | geordie | where are the pre-removal scripts located? |
| 03:09.41 | cef | Delph: the problem is, with a country qas big as aus, we get bigger variations in the power that the end user gets because of voltage drops (line resistance) |
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| 03:11.00 | cef | Delph: in the middle of Western Australia, end users have seen 300Vac (RMS) at their outlets.. while I know lots of people in cities that only get 210Vac |
| 03:11.11 | jetscreamer | what's the dpkg keyword for kde 3.4 unofficial |
| 03:11.23 | Delph | cef: hah, dodgy foreign place. |
| 03:11.38 | sh0rt | cef, in the middle of wa there is no power :) |
| 03:12.34 | cef | sh0rt: well, middle of the west coast |
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| 03:12.34 | cef | sh0rt: ie: up past geraldton |
| 03:12.34 | sh0rt | ok |
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| 03:13.05 | cef | foureyes779_: I don't live there |
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| 03:13.40 | dna_ | Are there any ways to create flash animation in linux? |
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| 03:13.50 | caphuso | writing my first perl6 program hasn't been as fulfilling as i thought i'd be :-( |
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| 03:14.42 | rixth_ | How do I join a network domain? (the domain name is waicol.local) What would I enter into /etc/network/interfeaces |
| 03:14.43 | cef | hrm, I need a shower.. and breakfast |
| 03:14.51 | dabreegster | caphuso: I mightve missed something. a perl 6 interpreter is out? |
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| 03:15.08 | caphuso | dabreegster: http://autrijus.org/pugs/ |
| 03:15.15 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Question: Upgrading my kernel to kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7. Fails to use my root fs (ext3). Message: "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,5)" |
| 03:15.18 | Jimmymaniac | ideas? |
| 03:15.32 | ruski | Jimmymaniac: running sata ? |
| 03:15.36 | Jimmymaniac | nope |
| 03:15.59 | Jimmymaniac | i'm not running anything fancy |
| 03:16.03 | ruski | Jimmymaniac: is there an initrd image that needs to load? |
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| 03:16.29 | Jimmymaniac | the kernel-image package creates one, and lilo already knows of it |
| 03:16.44 | jetscreamer | Jimmymaniac, ls -lA / |
| 03:16.48 | jetscreamer | then ls /boot |
| 03:16.53 | jetscreamer | compare |
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| 03:17.42 | Jimmymaniac | jetscreamer: i see, wrong symlinks |
| 03:17.43 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.54 | jetscreamer | yeah then rerun lilo after you fix em |
| 03:18.09 | Jimmymaniac | yeah, they were pointing to an old 2.4 image |
| 03:18.20 | jetscreamer | man kernel-img.conf |
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| 03:18.45 | jetscreamer | should have 'jsut worked' though |
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| 03:19.01 | jetscreamer | check the lilo.conf just for grins |
| 03:19.17 | jetscreamer | or grubyness |
| 03:19.27 | jetscreamer | grubieness? |
| 03:19.35 | jetscreamer | ah grubbyness |
| 03:19.41 | simonrvn | grubiness ? |
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| 03:21.22 | netic | hi. does anybody have experiences with LUFS? |
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| 03:22.19 | jetscreamer | on_topic: does anybody knowwhen the hell sg-1 season finale comes out??? |
| 03:22.21 | z36ra | hello |
| 03:22.36 | RRT | where is the do i find the GLIB executeable in sarge? |
| 03:22.37 | pipeline | jetscreamer, Jimmymaniac: I had always wondered why kernel packages created those softlinks. Now I know. |
| 03:22.47 | pipeline | RRT: glib is a library, as such, it's not executable in and of itself. |
| 03:22.55 | z36ra | having troble with framebuffer. |
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| 03:22.58 | pipeline | RRT: When you install an application that needs it, it will get glib as a dependency. |
| 03:23.01 | Jimmymaniac | fixed, checked lilo, now just to reboot and hope for the best :) |
| 03:23.10 | Jimmymaniac | thanks :) |
| 03:23.10 | jetscreamer | type lilo |
| 03:23.16 | jetscreamer | aka rerun lilo |
| 03:23.18 | Jimmymaniac | done that too :) |
| 03:23.20 | jetscreamer | k |
| 03:23.32 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, hope it was only that :) |
| 03:23.35 | pipeline | RRT: If you need header files and stuff to write your own programs with glib, install the "libglib2.0-dev" package. |
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| 03:24.01 | RRT | ok trying to compile xmms-shn and it can't find it. requires me to tellit where the GLIB path is > 1.2.2 |
| 03:24.26 | rob^ | heh |
| 03:25.11 | z36ra | cant see bootup in woody on gateway g6300. I think it's frame buffer but setting lilo to ask, normal... whatever. doesnt work. any suggestions? |
| 03:25.20 | RRT | It specifies the glib prefix= prefix where glib is installed |
| 03:25.36 | jetscreamer | sounds like knoppix |
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| 03:25.49 | pipeline | RRT: Why don't you just install xmms-shn? it's packaged. |
| 03:26.11 | jetscreamer | what vid card z36ra |
| 03:26.12 | RRT | ./configure errors and says it can't find glib |
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| 03:26.23 | pipeline | RRT: Why are you compiling it instead of installing it from apt? |
| 03:26.29 | RRT | oh heck didn't know that. |
| 03:26.32 | RRT | thanks |
| 03:27.09 | jetscreamer | RRT, apt-cache search <searchterm> && apt-get install <something_you_searched_for.deb> |
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| 03:27.13 | pipeline | RRT: Oh, crap, I'm sorry |
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| 03:27.16 | jagi | if i am on a 100mbit connection and I connect to a VPN on a 10mbit connection... if i download something, will i still have 100mbit speeds or decreased 10mbit? |
| 03:27.17 | pipeline | RRT: It's packaged by rarewares.org |
| 03:27.25 | z36ra | jetscreamer: on board... some on-board pos... hang on... looking. |
| 03:27.30 | pipeline | RRT: rarewares.org packages a lot of obscure audio software for testing and unstable. |
| 03:27.41 | RRT | hehe cool thanks |
| 03:27.51 | pipeline | RRT: rarewares.org is maintained by the folks at hydrogenaudio, they're one of two third party repositories in my sources.list |
| 03:27.59 | pipeline | RRT: i.e. you can trust them to some extent |
| 03:28.06 | jetscreamer | the other is marillat? |
| 03:28.13 | pipeline | jetscreamer: bingo |
| 03:28.32 | sh0rt | why doesnt debian have mplayer |
| 03:28.37 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 03:28.41 | jagi | sh0rt, apt-get it |
| 03:28.44 | dvs | sh0rt: licencing problems |
| 03:28.47 | pipeline | sh0rt: It's a long and complex question to which no answer is meaningful. |
| 03:28.49 | jetscreamer | !tell sh0rt about marillat |
| 03:28.51 | pipeline | sh0rt: ask dpkg about marillat |
| 03:28.59 | RRT | i see stuff for sid there |
| 03:29.07 | xam | pipeline: mu |
| 03:29.12 | sh0rt | ive got it, just wondered why not in deb repositories |
| 03:29.20 | jetscreamer | license |
| 03:29.23 | z36ra | jetscreamer: man i cant tell. I think I'm gonna have to put a PCI vid card in this thing to get rid of this anyoing problem. Does "smsc" sound familiar to you? |
| 03:29.24 | GoatDevil | saaay, always wondered, whats the coolest audio editing soft out there? |
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| 03:29.41 | dvs | GoatDevil: audacity |
| 03:29.42 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i video maybe |
| 03:29.54 | jetscreamer | gtg bbl |
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| 03:30.23 | vasu | I am trying to burn an iso file in nautilus - right click on file and write to cd.. option does not show my cdrom (only gives the option to write to a file). Any ideas on how I can fix this? |
| 03:30.28 | z36ra | jetscreamer: nothing |
| 03:30.31 | pipeline | GoatDevil: You need jackd to use cool software :( |
| 03:30.55 | pipeline | GoatDevil: ladspa is a pretty cool tech too |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | GoatDevil: to do what? |
| 03:31.13 | fatA | What's the right way to make some sftp/scp users read-only? |
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| 03:31.41 | abrotman | fatA: install apache and use http :) |
| 03:31.45 | z36ra | jetscreamer: Chromatic Research. |
| 03:32.21 | fatA | abrotman: how tough is it to setup https and users ? |
| 03:32.27 | GoatDevil | dvs: nice, checked the screenies for it, looks fat |
| 03:32.32 | travisat | Chromatic Research?.....you study colors? |
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| 03:32.58 | xam | my bank is stupid. Their internet banking is unavailable from 2a.m. to 5a.m. |
| 03:33.18 | RRT | am using sarge, how stable is sid, rarewares.org recommends dist-upgrade to sid first. |
| 03:33.34 | z36ra | I thought I might be able to do something with frame buffer but I cant figger it out. |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | fatA: why do you want users? |
| 03:34.13 | xam | !weather eick |
| 03:34.14 | abrotman | helix: bellsouth rules! |
| 03:34.16 | dpkg | Cork Airport, Ireland; (EICK) 51-51N 008-29W 162M; last updated: 2005.03.25 0300 UTC; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 50 F (10 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) (direction variable) |
| 03:34.25 | helix | actually, it wasn't bellsouth's fault this time |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | helix: heh |
| 03:34.36 | helix | some stupid website made my load jump to like 16 |
| 03:34.36 | z36ra | I'm on the machine right now. it's just that i cant do anything in text mode. Xwindows works fine. |
| 03:34.47 | helix | so instead of waiting it out, I just rebooted |
| 03:34.51 | fatA | abrotman: I want to authenticate users, then give the read only access to a dir and it's subdirs .. basically. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | fatA: you can do it .. does it have to be encrypted? |
| 03:35.22 | z36ra | no lilo menu, no kernel messages... only gdm and X. |
| 03:35.26 | cef | helix: *gasp* .. it wasn't bellsouth's fault? ohmygod! call the guiness book of records! |
| 03:35.35 | z36ra | friggin weird |
| 03:35.42 | helix | bellsouth isn't that bad |
| 03:35.46 | helix | better than telstra |
| 03:35.48 | travisat | bellsouth sucks |
| 03:35.48 | rixth_ | Come to #flood to see a rather 'bollocks' customer review of Mandrake |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | helix: yay flash? :) |
| 03:35.57 | helix | nah, not flash |
| 03:35.59 | cef | helix: true.. fortunately I don't use telstra |
| 03:36.01 | helix | like 299 pictures |
| 03:36.14 | z36ra | Knoppix runs ok if I type nodma. |
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| 03:36.20 | fatA | abrotman: should be, esp the usernames and pws |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | helix: of what? .. |
| 03:36.32 | abrotman | helix: i'm trying hard not to make the dirty joke :) |
| 03:36.45 | helix | chicago |
| 03:36.49 | helix | the city |
| 03:36.54 | abrotman | ah |
| 03:36.58 | abrotman | helix: you going to visit? |
| 03:37.06 | helix | nah |
| 03:37.07 | cef | helix: ahh I'm glad I manage to get our lug's mail/web server's load down from 60.. *sigh* |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | fatA: erm .. ok .. you can do it with https |
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| 03:37.41 | fatA | abrotman: i'm googling googling googling ... |
| 03:37.46 | helix | my computer becomes unusable around 8 |
| 03:37.56 | fatA | abrotman: thanks. good idea. |
| 03:38.06 | helix | unuseable? |
| 03:38.19 | helix | ah, unusable |
| 03:38.21 | abrotman | right the first time |
| 03:38.24 | helix | silly english |
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| 03:38.33 | sh0rt | stpos working |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | helix: it is |
| 03:38.56 | cef | helix: heh.. I was rather proud the machine itself didn't totally die.. but some useful processes did die on the way. "20:56:17 up 94 days, 8:36, 2 users, load average: 48.67, 17.82, 7.18" then about 15 mins later "load average: 60.65, 51.52, 30.80" |
| 03:39.03 | claw | theres a module named cmpci i need to have load up whenever I boot up so that i can have sound.... can someone tell me what file to add a line to or what program to run to set this up? the modconfig command doesnt seem to work in the sarge version |
| 03:39.12 | xam | helix: well, if you'd start typing chinese nobody would listen to you ;) |
| 03:39.16 | z36ra | this piece of junk! |
| 03:39.53 | xam | helix: well, maybe one or two in this channel |
| 03:40.06 | cef | currently it's at 14:36:42 up 95 days, 2:17, 2 users, load average: 2.01, 2.06, 2.07 |
| 03:40.09 | cef | which is much saner |
| 03:40.14 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.15 | sh0rt | claw, /etc/modules and the command is modprobe |
| 03:40.18 | claw | nm, its in the packages... i guess i just needed to install it |
| 03:40.27 | claw | oh, cool thnx |
| 03:40.39 | cef | simonrvn: desktop or server? |
| 03:41.03 | z36ra | i should stop looking in people trash. |
| 03:41.35 | z36ra | people's I mean |
| 03:41.38 | simonrvn | server |
| 03:41.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: make -j doesn't count :) |
| 03:41.56 | cef | heh |
| 03:42.16 | simonrvn | modiying ldap store, and upgrading s/w. no make involved |
| 03:42.25 | simonrvn | plus squatter run |
| 03:42.27 | z36ra | oh yeah! it wont run KDE either. Kicks me back to GDM. |
| 03:42.42 | simonrvn | squatter on its own runs it at ~4 |
| 03:42.46 | cef | mine was from a machine running postfix/spamassassin/clamav/amavisd/bind9/mysql/apache/php |
| 03:43.12 | z36ra | Gnome runs fine though |
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| 03:43.48 | simonrvn | yeh, pretty much the same stuff; i'm moving the database stuff off it onto the other box as soon as i get another drive for it |
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| 03:44.15 | simonrvn | I LOATHE MSNBOT |
| 03:44.22 | abrotman | msn is good! |
| 03:44.34 | simonrvn | @kill abrotman |
| 03:44.38 | dvs | And MSNBot didn't crash? It's a miracle! |
| 03:44.41 | chimun | im using a firewire external cd drive. normally, when i plug it in, /dev/sda will be generated. after i use it once, and unmount and disconnect it, and then try to plug it in again, sda is not there in /dev anymore. im using 2.6.10. dmesg shows that the cd drive is detected |
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| 03:44.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's been kind of laggy lately :) |
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| 03:45.03 | cef | dvs: it wasn't just one msnbot host.. it was about 70 |
| 03:45.39 | xam | abrotman: perhaps he's running MSNbot in the background? |
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| 03:45.52 | cef | dvs: they hit our lug's webserver all at the same time.. then yahoo and google piped in occasionly for good measure.. |
| 03:45.54 | michal_ | ok.. what do you guys thing of this article regarding the "danger" of running ethernet cables between houses? http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2003/07/1346.html |
| 03:46.11 | chimun | how can i force /dev/scd0 to be regenerated? |
| 03:46.13 | dvs | cef: Man! What a pain in the ass! |
| 03:46.26 | dvs | chihchun: MAKEDEV scd0 |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | xam: maybe |
| 03:46.55 | Kero_1116 | does anybody find webmin runs slow? |
| 03:47.07 | sanjin | hello.....is there anyone that can help me regarding setting up video-out connection in linux? |
| 03:47.07 | michal_ | plus there are apparently "little double ended fuse units for Ethernet cabling" |
| 03:47.11 | chimun | dvs: just did that, and its still not there |
| 03:47.43 | dvs | chihchun: Try MAKEDEV generic-i386 |
| 03:47.49 | michal_ | haha! " This reminds me of a flat (well, ok, "shed") I used to live in - I rewired it after discovering over 120V difference between sockets on opposite ends of the living area." |
| 03:48.00 | cef | dvs: yeah.. and of course MSNBot has it's own robots.txt variable for how often to hit pages.. and if it isn't there, it tend to hit about 2-3 pages a second. x 70 & add php content ripped from a db on a not-so-state of the art machine, and you see the problem |
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| 03:48.33 | mikeei | hi |
| 03:48.36 | tabris|away | michal_: yes, there are some potential problems (pardon the pun). it depends on how careful you are with it. but this is also why long distance is usually done with fibre. |
| 03:48.37 | abrotman | not again |
| 03:48.43 | abrotman | :seen mikeusa |
| 03:48.47 | abrotman | !seen mikeusa |
| 03:48.48 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'mikeusa', abrotman |
| 03:48.52 | cef | dvs: and then to complicate things the daily cron jobs ran, and someone posted to our mailing list (~600 people on that list).. *sigh* |
| 03:48.55 | abrotman | what was his nick damnit |
| 03:48.56 | tabris|away | michal_: one thing to remember is to always run it through a conduit.. don't lay it bare. |
| 03:49.02 | xam | !seen mikeeusa |
| 03:49.02 | dpkg | mikeeusa <~morph@ool-18be39f5.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 22d 1h 27m 35s ago, saying: '!ops abrotman stupid whore that dosn't contribute to OSS either... at all'. |
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| 03:49.07 | abrotman | yeah . him |
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| 03:49.21 | michal_ | tabris: that I did.. no way i'm sticking cat5 out in the weather |
| 03:49.21 | dvs | cef: I guess there is no way to block the bots via iptables eh? |
| 03:49.25 | chimun | dvs: just ran that (took about 30 seconds), and the device still does not exist |
| 03:49.26 | mikeei | is there a way to give a normal user read access to a mount drive? i mounted a drive, but it only allows root to read. |
| 03:49.29 | c00l | has anyone used wine to emulate something? |
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| 03:49.39 | dvs | chimun: As root in /dev? |
| 03:49.48 | paueas | hey what is the comman i use to change my ssl certificate for apache2? |
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| 03:49.50 | travisat | Covener: wine is not an emulator |
| 03:49.50 | cef | dvs: there is.. but when your load is 60, anything resembling interactiveness goes out the window |
| 03:49.52 | chimun | dvs: yup |
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| 03:50.01 | travisat | errr c00l |
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| 03:50.04 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here know of a good place to learn about configuring a kernel? |
| 03:50.07 | tabris|away | michal_: what i'd suggest ishaving a ethernet surge protector on both sides of the line (yes, they exist, yes they can cost) |
| 03:50.08 | dvs | cef: true |
| 03:50.08 | travisat | damn tab complete |
| 03:50.10 | nvz | chealer: with the blootbot, you put the + in front of a large factiod name to get it to show it all |
| 03:50.12 | xam | abrotman: looks suspiciously like him |
| 03:50.13 | poonj | about the features for 2.6 |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | mikeei: man mount ; man fstab |
| 03:50.37 | dvs | chimun: When you do "mount", is there a /dev/.static/dev mount point? |
| 03:50.40 | nvz | c00l: nope. no one has. Wine Is Not an Emulator |
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| 03:50.48 | abrotman | xam: i'd say it is |
| 03:50.54 | cef | dvs: well.. I'm just happy the machine didn't crash, or sshd didn't get killed |
| 03:51.10 | michal_ | "OK, two houses on the same transformer are already connected together - by the neutral conductor. So stringing a cable between them is a bit safer. You are paralleling a big fat wire with your little thin wire." |
| 03:51.13 | chealer | nvz: is ravenbird a blootbot? |
| 03:51.19 | nvz | chealer: yes |
| 03:51.23 | chimun | dvs: yes there is |
| 03:51.29 | nvz | ravenbird, what are you? |
| 03:51.30 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:51.31 | chealer | nvz: so example "+php" ? |
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| 03:51.36 | chimun | dvs: what is /dev/.static/dev for? i never knew about that before |
| 03:51.37 | nvz | chealer: yep |
| 03:51.39 | dvs | chimun: udev |
| 03:51.43 | c00l | nvz sorry, can i ask what is wine? |
| 03:51.50 | chealer | hehe, I asked him who are you? instead :) |
| 03:51.51 | tabris|away | michal_: however, as it is... I have an approximately 250-300 foot run of ethernet btwn two buildings. and I have had equipment blown out during a lightning storm, despite the cable being ~4 feet under the ground. |
| 03:52.00 | nvz | c00l: its a rewrite of the Win32 API |
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| 03:52.18 | chealer | nvz: still, +php gives me "i haven't a clue" |
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| 03:52.25 | michal_ | tabris: with lightning there's not much you can do regardless |
| 03:52.27 | dvs | chimun: If you're using 2.6 kernel, then /dev/scd0 is not recommended for CD burning. |
| 03:52.34 | Jimmymaniac | jetscreamer: nope, wasn't that |
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| 03:52.53 | chimun | dvs: what is recommended? /dev/.static/dev/scd0? |
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| 03:53.00 | shwag | anyone recommend an app for merging pdf documents? |
| 03:53.01 | c00l | nvz i just want to run some win app on linux |
| 03:53.06 | nvz | c00l: to the win32 apps the calls to the Win32 API seem native, and it does the correct functions on the underlying system it was compile for |
| 03:53.15 | Jimmymaniac | current kernel boots fine with either initrd, but 2.6.10 won't, and i tried even the 2.4 one |
| 03:53.16 | nvz | c00l: what app? |
| 03:53.21 | abrotman | shwag: i thikn if you google . you can find out how .. |
| 03:53.22 | dvs | chimun: /dev/hd? where ? is the IDE port your CD RW is connected to. |
| 03:53.28 | cef | dvs: think I might install djb's daemon-tools or something similar and put sshd under that.. that way it'll get restarted if it gets killed |
| 03:53.34 | sussudio | /dev/badger |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | shwag: if not . i know a commercial app that runs on linux that works pretty well |
| 03:53.41 | tabris|away | michal_: tbh, i don't expect you'd be running a cable over 250 ft anyway, right? (300ft ~= 100m which is the ethernet limit) |
| 03:53.43 | c00l | nvz mcs electronis bascom - basic language for mcu |
| 03:53.49 | cef | sussudio: damn badgers! |
| 03:53.51 | chimun | dvs: its a firewire device |
| 03:53.53 | dvs | cef: I've never used that so I can't say ;-) |
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| 03:54.26 | coyote10 | wenas |
| 03:54.28 | Kerr | Is there a way to get firetune to work under linux? I've installed the runtimes, put firetune.exe inside ~/.mozilla/firefox .. but it tells me no profiles found when run with wine. |
| 03:54.32 | coyote10 | se me borro el xfc4 |
| 03:54.35 | cef | dvs: I have.. it works pretty good, but it's djb (author of qmail).. and well.. he's just SLIGHTLY eccentric about his code |
| 03:54.38 | Jimmymaniac | message is the same, "unable to mount root fs on unknown-bloack(3,5)" |
| 03:54.40 | michal_ | tabris: the problem is not the distance (say 30m in each case).. the unusual situation is that 5 houses will be linked in serial.. i'm not sure if there is any sort of cumulative effect on the potential difference |
| 03:54.46 | Jimmymaniac | block |
| 03:55.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:55.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:55.23 | dvs | chimun: Oh. So I guess you have to use SCSI CD ROM module |
| 03:55.25 | xam | michal_: potential difference == voltage == cumulative effect |
| 03:55.35 | cef | michal_: hang on? you have 5 switches? one per house? |
| 03:55.52 | xam | !ide-cd vs ide-scsi |
| 03:55.53 | dpkg | [ide-cd vs ide-scsi] ide-cd has full DMA-support (eg. while writing audio-cds), but still lacks features of ide-scsi like detection of end-of-media or media errors. All this will *eventually* be implemented in ide-cd, but right now it isn't. OTOH ide-scsi is just barely maintained. |
| 03:55.58 | cef | michal_: and each is jumpered to the next one |
| 03:56.00 | cef | ?? |
| 03:56.08 | michal_ | cef: yes. but this means that the switches get at most twice as much difference as they otherwise would right? |
| 03:56.17 | dvs | xam: It's a firewire CDRW |
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| 03:56.33 | simonrvn | abrotman: :) |
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| 03:56.52 | cef | michal_: forget that.. you get network traffic issues if traverse more than about 4 switch/bridges.. simply from packet delays |
| 03:56.58 | xam | dvs: well, in this case he really needs the SCSI cd module ;) |
| 03:57.13 | dvs | xam: Hmmmmm... that line looks familiar |
| 03:57.14 | chimun | dvs: it seems to mount just right using /dev/.static/dev/scd0 device. so i can just use that. any reason why i shouldn't? |
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| 03:57.23 | xam | dvs: ;-P |
| 03:57.25 | michal_ | cef: woudln't that depend on the switches and their capabilities? |
| 03:57.25 | nvz | c00l: there is this program in debian called uisp, seems similar to what you are talking about |
| 03:57.53 | nvz | Description: Micro In-System Programmer for Atmel's AVR MCUs This utility is required to program AVR chips with object code created by the ava assembler/linker, gas, or gcc. It supports in-system programming, Atmel's prototype board/programmer (stk500), and an extremely low-cost parallel port programmer. |
| 03:57.59 | nvz | c00l: ^ |
| 03:58.00 | dvs | chimun: Because it might change in a future version of udev without warning. |
| 03:58.25 | chimun | dvs damn |
| 03:58.35 | chealer | simonrvn: how do you get a full factoid that's "too long" from ravenbird? use "+"? |
| 03:58.45 | cef | michal_: to an extent.. but usually you should never try to hop more than 4 bridges.. and a switch is just a multiport bridge |
| 03:58.48 | simonrvn | in-channel? yes |
| 03:58.50 | dvs | chimun: Does "modprobe ide-scsi" work? |
| 03:58.51 | c00l | nvz yes.. i've heard about it, but i want to use the 8051 compile, not avr =( |
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| 03:59.06 | nvz | c00l: though if the program doesnt require anything fancy like directx it will probably run with wine. you could seek more help in #wine |
| 03:59.39 | michal_ | cef: under what sort of conditions does this become a problem? is it an ethernet problem or tcp/ip related? |
| 03:59.42 | chimun | dvs: its actually using sbp2 |
| 03:59.48 | c00l | nvz the channel is barely empty =( |
| 03:59.56 | sanjin | guys, what do i need to do to get my tv-out thing working in mepis? i use svideo connection and it works fine in xp, but not in mepis.....does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 04:00.05 | simonrvn | #mepis |
| 04:00.10 | nvz | c00l: I've used wine ages ago, when I still used windows. I am not sure how or even if it works without a windows installation |
| 04:00.14 | chimun | hmmm.. apt tells me that i should rmmod, and then modprobe sbp2 to get hotplug working |
| 04:00.24 | cef | michal_: ethernet.. tcp handles longer delays fine |
| 04:00.27 | c00l | nvz and program that writes the eeprom, is it possible to run? it uses the parallel port to write |
| 04:00.46 | nvz | c00l: wine is only a rewrite of the core win32 api, it still needs some windows libraries for most things to run |
| 04:00.49 | michal_ | cef: if i wanted to find some info about this in gogole what should i search for? |
| 04:00.57 | michal_ | google |
| 04:01.06 | michal_ | cef: also does this affect gigabit equally? |
| 04:01.13 | c00l | nvz it works with some dlls.. you just need to point in the conf |
| 04:01.44 | dvs | chimum: Have you tried "modprobe sr_mod"? |
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| 04:02.22 | nvz | c00l: well have you tried running it yet? |
| 04:02.28 | cef | michal_: not sure.. looking in books for the info atm |
| 04:02.38 | c00l | nvz no eheheh, i'll soon |
| 04:03.03 | dvs | chimun: Have you tried "modprobe sr_mod"? |
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| 04:03.06 | lu | what package out there will help you detect an intrusion of your box |
| 04:03.06 | nvz | c00l: when working with a project like wine, you pretty much have to try it, then file bug report after bug report to the developers to ensure smooth operation |
| 04:03.12 | nvz | c00l: its a work in progress |
| 04:03.17 | Surfista_Style | j/olinda |
| 04:03.20 | michal_ | this is a great site re outdoor ethernet wiring: http://volker.dnsalias.net/linux/tech/outdoorwiring.html |
| 04:03.31 | abrotman | oh no |
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| 04:03.56 | nvz | c00l: last time I used it, I had win98 installed and got it to run many things like MS Office 97 and MSIE and other programs off my harddrive, but certain things didnt work. |
| 04:03.58 | michal_ | yes there are dangers but i think it's riskier to get in a car than link houses via twisted pair |
| 04:04.09 | Surfista_Style | j/olinda |
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| 04:04.12 | jetscreamer | !info honeypot |
| 04:04.16 | c00l | nvz ohh heavy stuff hehee |
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| 04:04.40 | jetscreamer | !info tinyhoneypot |
| 04:04.46 | dpkg | tinyhoneypot: (Small honeypot to trap attackers), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.4.6-6 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
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| 04:05.43 | lu | tinyhoneypot |
| 04:05.45 | lu | hmm |
| 04:05.53 | nvz | c00l: if you don't have a specific debian related issue, theres really nothing anyone can help you with. you have to have a problem and ask a question before anyone anywhere can help |
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| 04:06.33 | cef | michal_: ok.. if everything is the same standard and it's all full duplex, you should be ok with that many hops in a setup like yours |
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| 04:06.59 | abrotman | this is for ethernet? |
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| 04:07.14 | c00l | nvz i was having some problems with debian-installer, but i fix that by installing woody and upgrading it to sarge |
| 04:07.15 | michal_ | cef: great :) if gigabit were cheaper we'd be using gigabit switches. but they're just 5 port fast ethernet switches |
| 04:07.26 | abrotman | why not use pringles cans? |
| 04:07.31 | cef | michal_: as long as they're actual switches |
| 04:07.35 | c00l | nvz i didn't like aptitude much.. |
| 04:07.36 | lu | that's great and all, but lets' say your system is probably a zombie for the spam king. how do i clean it up |
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| 04:08.13 | briareus | anyone happen to know what XF86config-4 entry i might need for a serial trackball? |
| 04:08.15 | michal_ | cef: absolutely.. i would never buy anything that is less than a switch.. i've never owned a hub because i couldn't bring myself to it. |
| 04:08.24 | briareus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:09.30 | maher | lu: chkrootkit, reinstall if nec |
| 04:09.30 | michal_ | nobody makes REALLY cheap gigabit switches yet do they? they've only just become "afordable".. not cheap yet |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | michal_: define cheap |
| 04:10.10 | michal_ | abrotman: that's hard for me to do as you have different economies and currencies where you live :/ |
| 04:10.25 | michal_ | abrotman: a linksys wrt54g is "cheap" |
| 04:10.28 | abrotman | michal_: dlink.com .. look yourself |
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| 04:11.02 | maher | michal_: is $85 cheap |
| 04:11.13 | michal_ | you can get a 5 port 100mbit switch for about $30AUS |
| 04:11.31 | abrotman | sounds like too much |
| 04:11.35 | maher | michal_: is $45 cheap |
| 04:11.44 | michal_ | US or AUS? |
| 04:11.54 | jetscreamer | god still on about that? i wouldn't pay you by the hour |
| 04:12.04 | maher | michal_: us |
| 04:12.05 | michal_ | abrotman: too much? magazines cost around $7 - $10 |
| 04:12.30 | abrotman | michal_: $70USD for a 5port 10/100/1000 from dlink.com |
| 04:12.55 | michal_ | don't suppose it does jumbo? |
| 04:13.00 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 04:13.07 | abrotman | i just saw it .. i didn't read any specs |
| 04:13.28 | michal_ | let's see how much they go for here |
| 04:13.37 | cef | abrotman: that's $91 AUD here |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | doesn't sound too bad to me |
| 04:13.52 | michal_ | around $150AUS |
| 04:14.23 | michal_ | once you factor in the REALITY of prices in Australia :/ |
| 04:14.26 | cef | but add international shipping and/or vendor creep and yeah.. $130-150 here |
| 04:14.38 | michal_ | international shipping? |
| 04:14.43 | abrotman | well duh .. buy it locally |
| 04:14.47 | michal_ | they make it closer to here than the u nited states |
| 04:14.57 | dvs | ha! |
| 04:15.09 | cef | michal_: yup.. and it costs them more to ship it to aus than it does to the US.. go figure |
| 04:15.16 | michal_ | "levelone" makes one cheaper |
| 04:15.28 | michal_ | prprobably due to volume |
| 04:15.44 | michal_ | http://www.oztechnologies.com/detail.asp?ID=350 |
| 04:15.46 | cef | yup.. volume of shipping traffic |
| 04:16.02 | abrotman | http://www.dlink.com.au/Default.aspx?ArticleID=728 |
| 04:16.03 | abrotman | better? |
| 04:16.23 | michal_ | what's 802.3ab ?? is that trunking? |
| 04:17.22 | Unified | ich geh ins bett, gute n8 |
| 04:17.43 | abrotman | !german |
| 04:17.43 | dpkg | i heard german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 04:17.45 | abrotman | i think? |
| 04:17.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:18.11 | michal_ | hang on.. ab is just the gigabit standard isn't it? :P |
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| 04:19.19 | michal_ | i think i'll bypass the slowness of the cheap routers by simply unpluggin the cable from the router and plugging it directly to the network when i need to transfer large files quickly :/ |
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| 04:19.49 | michal_ | not terribly secure but I don't see any other solution |
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| 04:20.12 | briareus | anyone happen to know what XF86config-4 entry i might need for a serial trackball? |
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| 04:21.04 | abrotman | if you're not filtering at the routers .. does it really matter? |
| 04:21.17 | michal_ | ooh.. extraordinarily cheap for a gigabit switch.. and it's in my state :P http://pricepoint.com.au/shop/index.php?cPath=28_133 |
| 04:21.53 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.58 | michal_ | abrotman: i'd be NATing normally.. I'm not eager to be connected directly to other peoplees networks without any protection |
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| 04:22.47 | doublehp | ( yes it is in fact a LFS ) |
| 04:23.15 | maher | michal_: don't run unec services - there should be no problem |
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| 04:23.27 | abrotman | doublehp: man ifconfig ? |
| 04:23.33 | michal_ | unec? wtf is that? |
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| 04:23.41 | maher | michal_: unnecessary |
| 04:24.02 | doublehp | abrotman: no ... it would be man ifup :) but nothing relevant in there |
| 04:24.24 | maher | doublehp: i dunno how to get around rw, but you could mount /etc in a ramdisk |
| 04:24.25 | michal_ | maher: well there are plenty of services that i find necessary on my lan that aren't terribly secure.. and i want to keep those seperated from the other lans :P |
| 04:24.37 | maher | michal_: really? what do you run that isn't secure? |
| 04:24.38 | abrotman | doublehp: man ifconfig |
| 04:25.01 | doublehp | maher: you mean, create a 3rd RAMDISk, and copy all etf files in there ? |
| 04:25.10 | abrotman | --force ? |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.23 | abrotman | why not use that? |
| 04:25.26 | doublehp | abrotman: I said that manual ifconfig WORKS fine ... just ifup used by scripts doesnt |
| 04:25.28 | maher | doublehp: yes - or see what abrotman said |
| 04:25.29 | michal_ | maher: ftp to my xbox, the aiport extreme on the LAN port (ie my printer is connected to it).. windows file sharing.. i don't trust it to be secure.. probably a few things slipping my mind |
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| 04:25.51 | maher | michal_: ok - you run windows boxes, never mind |
| 04:25.54 | TBBle | doublehp: Can you modify the ramdisk? Make /etc/network/run a symlink to something in /dev/shm... Check the /etc/init.d/networking script, ort there's more details on the Debian read-only root page, who's location I forget. |
| 04:25.59 | alemao | where debconf stores the answers? |
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| 04:26.06 | alemao | and hou do clean this? |
| 04:26.58 | maher | alemao: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 04:26.59 | nvz | alemao: you don't clean it |
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| 04:27.21 | michal_ | i will need to buy at least one wrt54g for my neighbour to replace his piece of shit Belkin though.. keeps locking up and we lose internet access |
| 04:27.25 | alemao | i'm making my package! and i was only testing the config script |
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| 04:27.37 | alemao | and now i cant make the window appear again to choose |
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| 04:28.15 | michal_ | anyone here use a linksys wrt54g router? curious what firmware debian people would choose :P i think you can even run debian on the damn thing |
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| 04:28.44 | alemao | nvz i'm making my package! and i was only testing the config script and the dialog wont appear again |
| 04:28.48 | doublehp | abrotman: maher no --force does not help on RO filesystems |
| 04:28.58 | locos | alguien habla español} |
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| 04:29.01 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: openwrt on mine. |
| 04:29.09 | erirlar | hi, how do i resize /tmp? |
| 04:29.09 | locos | alguien habla español} |
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| 04:29.12 | abrotman | doublehp: the other one |
| 04:29.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:29.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:29.18 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: any special reason you chose that over the others available? |
| 04:29.23 | s0x | locos entra a debian-es |
| 04:29.27 | nvz | alemao: that statement makes 0 sense to me, which is about 10 sense more than the last time you said it |
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| 04:29.49 | abrotman | doublehp: the -i option |
| 04:29.51 | TBBle | doublehp: Can you modify the ramdisk? Make /etc/network/run a symlink to something in /dev/shm... Check the /etc/init.d/networking script, ort there's more details on the Debian read-only root page, who's location I forget. |
| 04:30.10 | nvz | alemao: try out configure-debian or gkdebconf, if you need access to any/all packages that debconf can configure |
| 04:30.13 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: Not really, just seems the most widely used. Losts of packages for it |
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| 04:30.32 | abrotman | what chemical is that? |
| 04:30.42 | doublehp | TBBle: no ... it would be far better if nothing were writable there |
| 04:30.43 | TBBle | doublehp: You may also find documentation in the ifupdown package regarding this. |
| 04:30.50 | nvz | abrotman: chemical x, along with sugar, spice, and everything nice |
| 04:30.52 | abrotman | oh . never mind |
| 04:30.56 | abrotman | nvz: coke |
| 04:31.13 | TBBle | doublehp: Noting writable in /etc? That's an excellent idea. See the Debian read-only root page, who's location I forget. |
| 04:31.24 | doublehp | abrotman: no ... -i just specifies the source file to read the confs ... not how to handle non writable state file |
| 04:31.32 | nvz | abrotman: I thought you wanted the recipie for the power puff girls *shrug* |
| 04:31.36 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: yeah? sveasoft seems pretty popular too (despite the animosity towards the developer).. what sort of unusual packages do you use that might not be in other firmware? i'm asking because i've been reading about these routers and all the different firmwares without being able to get a clear idea of the pro's and con's of each of the major firmwares |
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| 04:32.07 | pinkymink | can anyone tell me which file to edit to stop xdm from loading at start up? i looked in inittab but couldn't find a specific entry. |
| 04:32.20 | maher | pinkymink: use update-rc.d |
| 04:32.20 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: I wouldn't waste a floppy on that bastards firmware :) |
| 04:32.25 | nvz | pinkymink: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
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| 04:32.28 | abrotman | !tell pinkymink about no dm |
| 04:32.33 | abrotman | !tell pinkymink about nodm |
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| 04:32.40 | pinkymink | ahh ok, thank you |
| 04:33.02 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: seems to have the nicest web interface and it IS opensrouce regardless of what he says |
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| 04:33.59 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: I just wouldn't give him the satifaction of using it. I'd much rather support openWrt. |
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| 04:34.51 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: openWrt gave me the impression of being a lot more "hackish" and less polished based on the info I found on the web. have you ever even tried the sveasoft to compare? |
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| 04:36.04 | odine | how do i make my box grab a static ip from the dhcp router? i checked the static route help on dpkg but not sure exactly where i put that heh |
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| 04:36.32 | Mini_tuna | odine thats a router config |
| 04:36.40 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: openwrt out of the box doesn't come with a web interface, and the one packaged is pretty weak. That is why I made my own. Plus I have plenty of room to run stuff I want on it, instead of a bunch of options I don't need/want. |
| 04:36.43 | Mini_tuna | odine: what type of router do you have |
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| 04:36.51 | Mardus | Hi. |
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| 04:37.13 | Mini_tuna | hello |
| 04:37.13 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: which revision of the wrt54g do you have? |
| 04:37.20 | odine | linksys befsr41 |
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| 04:37.28 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: 2.something |
| 04:38.07 | Mini_tuna | how do i use md5 checksums to check all the packages on my machine |
| 04:38.23 | Mini_tuna | i was reading a secruity builiein and i saw redhat has one |
| 04:38.24 | maher | Mini_tuna: use debsums |
| 04:38.25 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: is this the one with the broadcom ethernet chipset or the one before it? i heard that the current models don't properly support VLANs or QOS in the drivers yet |
| 04:38.39 | Mini_tuna | cool ill go check the man |
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| 04:39.23 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: broadcom...doesn't sound familiar. I would have to say before. |
| 04:39.23 | Mini_tuna | i have a new wrt54gs i just fot it and it does qos and vlans but it is sveasoft it is the wrt54gs v 1.1 |
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| 04:39.51 | trig | I am trying to find some help with racoon (vpn), anyone got any suggestions? |
| 04:39.54 | odine | Mini_tuna, linksys befsr41 |
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| 04:40.14 | Jacobo221 | do you know of a command which reports the date a file was modified? |
| 04:40.29 | Mardus | I have a security issue here. I was lucky to have the xconsole working to grab some preliminary info. What happened was that I was surfing the net, not using it actively and suddently the HDD started working furiously. I know from someone else's experience that the Linux HDD does not work furiously unless there's a certain process ongoing. So xconsole had this to show: (date and time) PAM_unix[722]: (su) session opened for user nobody by (uid= |
| 04:40.36 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: cool.. do you know if you can have a seperate lan on each ethernet port and route between them? or is the wan port the only independant one? |
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| 04:40.43 | meeki | i added "users" to /etc/fstab, and users outside root can mount, but i am not sure how to allow other users to read the mounted drive. |
| 04:40.43 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: It does qos because I also use VoIP on the same network, and at full load it works fine. |
| 04:40.52 | mwilson | Mardus: Yes, and? |
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| 04:40.57 | maher | Mardus: probably a cron job |
| 04:41.24 | TBBle | Mardus: You were cut off at "(uid=" for me. |
| 04:41.26 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: would the extra space on the WRT54GS be useful in your experience? do you find yourself wanting more space on your router? |
| 04:41.39 | Mardus | So the computer that I use does not have user nobody or here so I activated top and lo and behold, find is working, which I didn't activate. I killed it and after that things went normal. |
| 04:41.51 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: Yes, I love more space. |
| 04:42.01 | maher | Mardus: what was the process you killed doing |
| 04:42.14 | Mardus | TBBle: XConsole message was: PAM_unix[722]: (su) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 04:42.17 | mwilson | Mardus: So, basically, you don't know what you're doing and you killed the locate database update. Yes? |
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| 04:42.30 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: so if you were buying now would you pay the almost 50% premium to have double the space? |
| 04:42.41 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: yes |
| 04:42.50 | mwilson | Mardus: And the date and time on the log entry was...? |
| 04:42.51 | Mardus | mwilson: it was a find program, not locate. |
| 04:43.03 | mwilson | Mardus: <sigh> |
| 04:43.06 | TBBle | Mardus: Yeah, that's a cron script or something. Or someone took over root on your machine, and decided they'd rather use the nobody account for their nefarious activities. |
| 04:43.26 | Mardus | a cron job would have shown that it was cron. |
| 04:43.40 | Mardus | xconsole said that the user was nobody and I fear an outside attack. |
| 04:43.46 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: good to know.. I will take that advice.. I wasn't sure if there was a justification to it. But if space IS useful.. then it's pretty clear it worth it |
| 04:43.50 | TBBle | But it was opened by uid=0, which is root. |
| 04:43.52 | Mini_tuna | the wrt54g and gs have three seperate amacs and three sepreate eth cards |
| 04:43.52 | mwilson | Mardus: No, it just means that you don't know how the system works. |
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| 04:44.09 | cef | TBBle: well with a little bit of modification to groups and passwd, no reason that 'nobody' wouldn't be a good account to hide under.. but still unlikely |
| 04:44.28 | maher | Mardus: look in the logs and see what you killed... |
| 04:44.34 | mwilson | Mardus: Again... time of the log entry, please? |
| 04:44.36 | Mardus | I haven't created a nobody account. |
| 04:44.44 | mwilson | Mardus: You don't need to. |
| 04:44.44 | maher | Mardus: its there |
| 04:45.00 | TBBle | cef: True. |
| 04:45.05 | cef | Mardus: there are a number of system default accounts usually about.. nobody is one of them |
| 04:45.12 | maher | Mardus: you didn't create root either |
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| 04:45.26 | Mardus | Time of log entry: Mar 25 06:25:04. After killing find XConsole said: syslogd 1.4.1#10: restart |
| 04:45.34 | mattmatteh | does the newer sata drivers use sda or hda ? |
| 04:45.44 | mwilson | Mardus: <sigh> That's cron.daily kicking off. |
| 04:45.50 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: from what i read it seems to vary amongs the revisions.. i read a post that said the new models treat the 4 ports as a dumb switch |
| 04:45.55 | maher | Mardus: maybe it was your log rotation you killed |
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| 04:46.20 | maher | Mardus: or updatedb |
| 04:46.22 | nvz | linus said let there be root, and so there was root, and he saw that this was good ... |
| 04:46.25 | Mardus | mwilson: nice to know, but why on earth was root (uid=0) activated for that and why find was working? |
| 04:46.44 | Mini_tuna | michal_ : i havent heard that |
| 04:46.46 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: i doubt dcc chat will work.. i'm behind 2 NATing routers in series.. |
| 04:46.48 | TBBle | Mardus: Because you've got to be root to change to other users. |
| 04:46.51 | Mardus | I personally fear an outside attack... |
| 04:47.01 | mwilson | Mardus: It really doesn't matter what you fear. |
| 04:47.04 | Mini_tuna | how |
| 04:47.06 | TBBle | Mardus: And find is what updatedb uses to scan for files. |
| 04:47.09 | mwilson | Mardus: What matters is what it is. |
| 04:47.11 | cef | Mardus: actually other way around... root activated the nobody account |
| 04:47.12 | Mardus | TBB1e: I don't know if I can change to other users. |
| 04:47.14 | odine | how do i make my box grab a static ip from the dhcp router? i checked the static route help on dpkg but not sure exactly where i put that heh (linksys befsr41 router) |
| 04:47.14 | maher | Mardus: you paranoia is interesting but unwarranted |
| 04:47.20 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: the first one is a crappy Belkin and I swear it can't do DMZ and port forwarding properly. I KNOW my Aiport Extreme can from experience |
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| 04:47.34 | TBBle | Mardus: I don't understand your response. |
| 04:47.38 | Mini_tuna | isnt the airport extreme proxim |
| 04:47.40 | Mardus | cef: I haven't created the nobody account. |
| 04:47.49 | maher | odine: you can assign a static ip, or tell the dhcp server to always give a certain mac address the same ip |
| 04:47.57 | mwilson | Mardus: How many times will someone need to tell you that you don't need to? |
| 04:48.01 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: i don't really know.. i thought it was broadcom |
| 04:48.04 | maher | Mardus: cat /etc/passwd |
| 04:48.10 | odine | maher, how... cant i just set something in the interfaces file.... |
| 04:48.12 | cef | Mardus: because not everything should run as root, the program started the update process as the user 'nobody', which is a system default user.. it's there when you INSTALL the system. |
| 04:48.13 | mwilson | Mardus: That it's already there by default? |
| 04:48.14 | Mardus | TBBle: you said: cause I have to be root to change to other users. |
| 04:48.24 | Mini_tuna | michal_; i like apple wreless |
| 04:48.27 | mwilson | Mardus: cron runs as root. |
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| 04:48.40 | maher | odine: you can set an interface to be static, but the ip the dhcp server gives you is its business |
| 04:48.44 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: my problem at the moment is that I'm not sure the currently availabble WRT54GS models do what the previous models could.. |
| 04:48.58 | TBBle | Mardus: Yes. So that's why cron's change of user was from uid=0, because no other uid _can_ change user. |
| 04:49.03 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: it's not very configurable :/ not like a WRT54G at least |
| 04:49.28 | Mini_tuna | micheal_:well chekc it out here is my experiance with these things the two of them with sveasofts firmware are the same |
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| 04:49.31 | random_ | hello |
| 04:49.39 | mwilson | Mardus: Let's cut to the chase... you don't know how it works, so you asked here. We're telling you what you saw is normal, and we're even telling you what it is. Since *you* don't know what it is, why are you arguing about it? |
| 04:49.44 | random_ | im getting fun gs errors...again... |
| 04:49.55 | Mini_tuna | micheal_: of course except for the speed variences and ram and flash |
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| 04:50.00 | random_ | first i have corrupt fonts, so i just cut them out of the font path, now i cant print! |
| 04:50.07 | michal_ | can a WRT54G be configured to serve different ip ranges for different LANs on different ethernet ports and route/firewall between them? is that possible with the hardware? |
| 04:50.07 | odine | maher, so like... auto eth0; iface eth0 inet static; address; netmask; gateway would that work? |
| 04:50.08 | random_ | whats next... |
| 04:50.22 | maher | odine: yes |
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| 04:50.37 | Mardus | mwilson: I know that I don't need to create nobody. I know that I don't need to create root, so in a typical installation, nobody is also created? |
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| 04:50.53 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: a recent post on the sveasoft forums contradicts that assertion.. BUT he may have written new drivers to support the new hardware since that post |
| 04:50.55 | maher | Mardus: loads of users are created - look in /etc/passwd |
| 04:50.55 | Mardus | mwilson: I don't know what it is, I came here for help. |
| 04:50.56 | mwilson | Mardus: And quite a few other accounts, as well. |
| 04:50.57 | simonrvn | Mardus: yes |
| 04:50.59 | TBBle | Mardus: Yes. In fact, it's all-but mandated as an account for doing things that don't require any privileges. |
| 04:51.16 | odine | thanks |
| 04:51.17 | mwilson | Mardus: Yes, you came here for help. But you're disagreeing with that help. Why is that? |
| 04:51.19 | simonrvn | /usr/share/base-passwd/ IIRC |
| 04:51.22 | Mini_tuna | micheal_: thats a good question ill go look hold on ..I know for a fact that each port on the thing has the capability of being configure seperately |
| 04:51.44 | random_ | i wish emacs was smaller... |
| 04:51.49 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: configured to what extent though? can you have a different ip address on each ehternet port? |
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| 04:52.23 | Mini_tuna | micheal_: in the same subnet |
| 04:52.24 | Mardus | mwilson: Because I like to argue, but that's just my nature. I just want to know things well. |
| 04:52.27 | cef | argh! |
| 04:52.53 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: what if you want them in different subnets? if they were tuly seperate then it shoudlnt' be a problem |
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| 04:53.12 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: or what if your subnet is 255.0.0.0 |
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| 04:53.35 | Mardus | So I have nobody as one of the users: x:65534:65534:nobody:/home:/bin/sh |
| 04:54.04 | Mini_tuna | micheal_ this is a class c device is it not |
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| 04:54.24 | cef | Mardus: if there wasn't any system users (like nobody) on your system, then these processes would run as root (the superuser, who can do most everything on your machine). running things as root should be avoided because it's a security risk, hence why the system users are there. |
| 04:54.30 | mwilson | Next he'll go in there randomly deleting users. |
| 04:54.45 | simonrvn | "why is my debian broken?" |
| 04:54.51 | Mardus | cef: Ok. |
| 04:55.06 | michal_ | Mini_tuna, I don't know. I havn't been able to find much in terms of answers to specific scenarios.. eveybody seems to have lesser expectations or smaller ideas than I and so it doesn't seem to be discussed in any articles or forums |
| 04:55.15 | rexty | how do i reconfigure my network settings, wahts the cmd |
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| 04:55.46 | Mardus | mwilson: I am just getting to know the fact that there are generic users also created. I would have deleted all these users like 10 years ago, because then I would have had the mivonks to do so. |
| 04:55.50 | Mini_tuna | well here is the deal this device cant handle a class b or class c subnet |
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| 04:56.10 | michal_ | Mini_tuna, is that actually documented anywhere? |
| 04:56.11 | simonrvn | s/mivonks/stupidity/ |
| 04:56.26 | Mardus | simonrvn: ? |
| 04:56.37 | mwilson | I don't know of any generic users that're created. I know of specific-purpose users that're created. |
| 04:56.50 | Mini_tuna | micheal_ : call linksys and ask them |
| 04:56.55 | Mini_tuna | im sure it is |
| 04:57.24 | Mardus | mwilson: I meant users/usernames created upon installation. The installer obviously didn't tell me about that. |
| 04:57.37 | michal_ | Mini_tuna, I don't believe anyone at linksys would even understand the question :) my experience with these things is that they people you get to talk to or get an email response from know NOTHING |
| 04:58.00 | Mini_tuna | micheal_ : yea i know |
| 04:58.09 | cef | Mardus: an example: say this updatedb program has a newly discovered bug. if someone gets a file onto your system somewhere, and updatedb looks at the file, it will run the file like a program, instead of doing what it's supposed to do - now if updatedb ran as root, the program would have full access to the system. but it's been run as nobody, which has very few permissions and is therefore limited in what it can do, so it's unlikely it |
| 04:58.09 | cef | will do anything that can't be easily fixed. |
| 04:58.20 | random_ | this is what i get for not updating for 2 weeks... |
| 04:58.20 | random_ | simonrvn: i have the same question! :) |
| 04:58.24 | random_ | stupid defoma...it was all your fault... |
| 04:58.26 | random_ | rexty: man interfaces |
| 04:58.32 | random_ | tis a sad fate |
| 04:58.39 | Mini_tuna | micheal_: it should say on your box that this devicecan only support 254 devices |
| 04:58.51 | Mini_tuna | well thats a class C router |
| 04:58.56 | random_ | mwilson: any ideas why suddenly my ID Cache in defoma for gs would suddenly be wiped out? |
| 04:59.01 | Mini_tuna | i think its and 8 bit adress |
| 04:59.10 | random_ | mwilson: pressing update in dfontmgr fixed it, but it seems kinda odd |
| 04:59.10 | Mini_tuna | Micheal_: brb |
| 04:59.24 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: i don't have a box :P I havn't bought it yet.. i'm trying to clear up any misconceptions I may have about its capabilities |
| 04:59.25 | mwilson | random_: Why ask me? |
| 04:59.28 | Mardus | simonrvn: What does /s/mivonks/stupidity mean? Ten years ago I would have had those to del all those users, only tht I would have been 14 hen. |
| 04:59.35 | random_ | mwilson: cause you helped me fix the font issues last time around :) |
| 04:59.44 | cef | Mardus: of course, if there are a LOT of bugs, you can write a program or set of programs to exploit each in turn, but it relies also on each bug being on the target system, which means the payback for doing it is less, hence why it's less likely. which is why you should always keep up to date with security updates anyway |
| 04:59.53 | guestish | er yeah...wrong nick |
| 05:00.00 | michal_ | Mini_tuna: don't hurry :) I will have dinner in a minute or two so won't be back for probably an hour.. i'd really be interested in discussing this further though if you have time later |
| 05:00.06 | mwilson | random_: I didn't help you fix anything about defoma... I only have defoma installed because something deps on it. I ignore it otherwise. |
| 05:00.12 | guestish | k |
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| 05:00.52 | random_ | oh, someone owns this nick |
| 05:00.57 | guestish | whoops |
| 05:01.04 | Mardus | cef: Thanks for explaining. Is there a log of what program recently ran what, such as that find? |
| 05:01.29 | simonrvn | Mardus: man sed |
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| 05:03.13 | mwilson | Oh, gee, new hotplug in unstable. |
| 05:03.17 | Mardus | cef: A couple days ago I did do an update with synaptic, but did hold updates to anything that was related to XFree86 4.1, because there's an S3 Trio64V+ video card and I am relying on XF86 3.3.6. |
| 05:03.20 | mwilson | Can my heart stand the strain. |
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| 05:03.51 | michal_ | is there a way to make hotplug shut the fuck up about modules that are already loaded? |
| 05:04.06 | Mardus | simonrvn: man sed is not helping me now as I skim. |
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| 05:04.07 | guestish | oh yeah, that reminds me |
| 05:04.16 | fudgi | heya im a n00b in linux and would like to know how to install tcl v8.4 on debian =) |
| 05:04.20 | guestish | where are usb devices now? my stick isnt on /dev/hda1 |
| 05:04.24 | mwilson | Is a deb allowed to create anything in /usr/local ? |
| 05:04.35 | simonrvn | mwilson: no |
| 05:04.37 | guestish | neither in /dev/hda |
| 05:04.41 | guestish | mwilson: you know the answer to that |
| 05:04.50 | guestish | or at least you should |
| 05:04.51 | Mardus | guestish: /dev/hda1 is a hard drive in high likeliness |
| 05:04.59 | mwilson | guestish: Read the changelog to the -21 hotplug. |
| 05:04.59 | guestish | i mean /dev/sda1 |
| 05:05.22 | guestish | mwilson: i use murasaki |
| 05:05.37 | mwilson | Whatever that is. |
| 05:05.43 | guestish | another hotplug agent |
| 05:05.49 | fudgi | anyone ? :p |
| 05:06.01 | Mardus | guestish: /dev/usb |
| 05:06.20 | guestish | Mardus: mount: /dev/usb is not a block device |
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| 05:06.36 | mwilson | Hm, the bug says that policy 9.1.2 it's OK to create directories under /usr/local |
| 05:06.49 | guestish | Mardus: its a director |
| 05:06.49 | guestish | Mardus: directory |
| 05:06.58 | Mardus | guestish: You asked where are the usb devices now. I was hoping to try to help you out... |
| 05:07.06 | guestish | Mardus: oh, they are in the directory? |
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| 05:07.10 | guestish | Mardus: are you sure? |
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| 05:07.23 | Mardus | guestish: deliberately forgetting that you know Linux better than I do, probably. |
| 05:07.34 | guestish | Mardus: who said that? |
| 05:07.37 | Mardus | guestish: I did: ls /dev/u* |
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| 05:07.47 | guestish | Mardus: well it used to be /dev/sda |
| 05:07.53 | Mardus | guestish: results: /dev/urandom and /dev/usb |
| 05:07.55 | kryptech | I was wanting to know if there is any free good linux dvd burning/copying software out there. |
| 05:08.44 | zamolxes | kryptech, good thing you don't want anymore |
| 05:08.49 | guestish | kryptech: k3b for kde and nautilus-cd-burner for gnome, they both are frontends to growisofs |
| 05:08.49 | Mardus | and /dev/usb showed ez0 to ez15, numbered lp's, mice, rio500 even, scanners |
| 05:08.50 | mwilson | dvd+rw-tools works fine for burning DVD's |
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| 05:09.31 | pbryan | usb_storage doesn't link usb drives to /dev/sd*? |
| 05:09.38 | guestish | it should... |
| 05:09.46 | guestish | =\ |
| 05:09.47 | pbryan | I thought so. |
| 05:09.58 | pbryan | All of mine do (flash drives, USB hard drive) |
| 05:10.06 | guestish | is it the drive? |
| 05:10.07 | zamolxes | pbryan, you might want to load uhci-hcd also |
| 05:10.12 | mwilson | guestish: And neither one is worth the powder it'd take to blow them to hell. |
| 05:10.14 | Mardus | pbryan, guestish: I don't know how usb stuff exactly works or is linked in Linux. |
| 05:10.14 | kryptech | If your kernel supports it, the binary build for my sarge did not so I had to compile one |
| 05:10.30 | guestish | mwilson: i like k3b personally |
| 05:10.36 | pbryan | zamolxes: It is. :) |
| 05:10.42 | mwilson | I suppose someone has to. |
| 05:10.44 | guestish | mwilson: mwilson its very "pretty" ;) |
| 05:10.46 | Mardus | guestish: I'd suggest grabbing a livecd, such as Knoppix and trying it out with what usb thing you have. |
| 05:11.03 | mwilson | guestish: It can't be pretty, it's a KDE application. |
| 05:11.05 | pbryan | Mardus: You're trying to mount a USB HD? |
| 05:11.12 | pbryan | mwilson: heh. |
| 05:11.15 | zamolxes | pbryan, what kernel are you running? |
| 05:11.34 | pbryan | 2.6.10 |
| 05:11.37 | Henning | guestish: Is sd_mod loaded as well? |
| 05:11.37 | guestish | mwilson: if you are going to berate kde can you at least tell me where the new hotplug sticks usb drives? |
| 05:11.51 | guestish | Henning: no, should it be? |
| 05:11.53 | Mardus | pbryan: I was trying to give guestish a good-faith suggestion. |
| 05:12.00 | pbryan | Ah, sorry. |
| 05:12.03 | Henning | guestish: I think so, unless it's compiled into the kernel. |
| 05:12.04 | guestish | Henning: i dont have that module |
| 05:12.09 | mwilson | guestish: It doesn't stick them anywhere. They're scsi devices like they've always been. Moving them to stupid places is udev's job. |
| 05:12.11 | Henning | guestish: Probably compiled in then. |
| 05:12.20 | pbryan | Ah... udev... |
| 05:12.31 | Mardus | pbryan: prettiness for me is when something is responsive. Some may think twm is ugly perhaps |
| 05:12.33 | kryptech | I compiled my hotplugging into the kernel and it worked fine, however it didnt seem to work "as well" compiled as a module |
| 05:12.49 | guestish | i wonder if im missing sg_mod |
| 05:12.50 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 05:12.58 | poonj | I wanted to build a kernel using xconfig or gconfig |
| 05:13.06 | mwilson | poonj: Why? |
| 05:13.07 | poonj | but then the libraries that are required, I can't find them |
| 05:13.10 | zamolxes | pbryan, what does lsusb give you? |
| 05:13.24 | poonj | mwilson: the interface is easier to read what each feature does |
| 05:13.26 | Henning | guestish: Cutsom built kernel perhaps? |
| 05:13.29 | guestish | Henning: yeah |
| 05:13.39 | guestish | Henning: i try to cut out the bloat, but i guess i cut too much |
| 05:13.44 | Henning | guestish: Then I'd check that yeah :) |
| 05:13.46 | pbryan | I suppose I should apt-get install the package that contains lsusb. |
| 05:13.58 | zamolxes | pbryan, can you guess the name? |
| 05:14.05 | pbryan | Well, it's not lsusb. |
| 05:14.05 | Henning | I'm not 100% sure which option makes that module though, but it's related to scsi. |
| 05:14.28 | pbryan | usbutils? |
| 05:14.34 | zamolxes | yep |
| 05:14.45 | guestish | well my mouse isnt working, so im gonna restart X |
| 05:14.46 | guestish | brb |
| 05:14.52 | cef | ok.. I really need to have breakfast now |
| 05:15.02 | Mardus | I am still thinking of that 'find'-named process. man sed doesn't exactly help me, because I was imagining there's a text-based log file which says what process was activated for what and when. |
| 05:15.19 | sh0rt | cef, at 3 oclock? |
| 05:15.23 | Mardus | guestish: Is that a usb mouse? |
| 05:15.26 | graytron_ | i'd like a breakslow |
| 05:15.32 | Henning | Mardus: By sed he meant to answer your s/something/anotherthing/ question. |
| 05:15.34 | pbryan | scooter:/home/pbryan# lsusb |
| 05:15.34 | pbryan | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 05:15.34 | pbryan | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 05:15.34 | pbryan | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 05:15.46 | cef | it's 4:15pm here sh0rt.. and yes.. breakfast *sigh* |
| 05:15.58 | mwilson | Mardus: There is no such log. |
| 05:15.59 | pbryan | That was fun. |
| 05:16.07 | Mini_tuna | micheal_ : what do you want to do with your router |
| 05:16.14 | Mardus | Henning: I don't quite get your answer. |
| 05:16.14 | zamolxes | pbryan, you didn't have to paste. your device obviously isn't listed |
| 05:16.26 | pbryan | Indeed. Let me attach it... |
| 05:16.34 | Henning | Mardus: The answer to that would be that s/something/anotherthing/ is a simply regular expression to replace "something" with "anotherthing", sed is one util which uses these expressions. |
| 05:17.03 | Henning | Mardus: As for your find question I doubt such an log exists. Why do you need one? |
| 05:17.23 | pbryan | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 067b:2507 Prolific Technology, Inc. |
| 05:17.27 | pbryan | There it is. |
| 05:17.35 | Henning | Mardus: If one was to log every command on a system the logs would become huge. |
| 05:17.46 | pbryan | Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 05:18.12 | Mardus | Henning: I feared an outside attack, find made a HDD work furiously, so I killed it and came here to ask what was it and if it might have been an attack and where would I find what activated find. |
| 05:18.51 | pbryan | zamolxes: are your devices somewhere other than /dev/sd*? |
| 05:19.01 | Henning | Ok. Afaik there is no such things as process logs. Sorry. |
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| 05:19.09 | Mardus | Henning: I'd imagined something more sensible like, last commands activated as root in last 5 minutes. That would require the HDD to save those intro a text file every 5 minutes. |
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| 05:19.22 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 05:19.28 | Xenguy | Mardus: you fear you've been cracked? (sorry, just arrived) |
| 05:19.28 | pbryan | cartel_! |
| 05:19.29 | Mardus | * into |
| 05:19.34 | cartel_ | what is the package that shows contents of doc/ directorys? |
| 05:19.51 | cartel_ | on www |
| 05:19.59 | cartel_ | i remember it in potato, cant remember the name of the package |
| 05:20.05 | pbryan | wget? |
| 05:20.06 | Mardus | Xenguy: Well, user nobody was activated as su and find was working furiously. I had just ended watching pr0n btw... |
| 05:20.11 | sh0rt | poonj, for menu-congig you need ncurses, make-xconfig you need qt stuff, I could never work out which one in particular, and just ended up getting the shits and getting it all |
| 05:20.11 | cartel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.21 | mwilson | Xenguy: He killed cron.daily, then came here and wouldn't listen when people tried to tell him what it was. |
| 05:20.24 | cartel_ | it is debian specific... |
| 05:20.34 | Xenguy | hrmmm |
| 05:20.50 | Xenguy | Mardus: so now you know? |
| 05:20.56 | Mardus | mwilson: plz read, I am only beginning to believe y'all on just this |
| 05:21.36 | Mardus | mwilson: I killed a program, the pid of which referred to find, not cron.daily. |
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| 05:21.43 | Henning | Mardus: Yeah, your crontab may very well have executed find, I didn't follow the conversation when someone stated that. |
| 05:21.50 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
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| 05:22.19 | Xenguy | Mardus: if you are dubious (a good quality often time :-), you can run chkrootkit, or rkhunter to ease yer mind a bit |
| 05:22.25 | zamolxes | pbryan, and mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 gives you what error? |
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| 05:22.55 | pbryan | well if I mkdir /mnt/sda1, I get no error. |
| 05:23.05 | mwilson | pbryan: I'd hope not. |
| 05:23.08 | pbryan | If I don't mkdir /mnt/sda1, I get the error: mount: mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist |
| 05:23.10 | Mardus | Xenguy: I'd have to run these as root? |
| 05:23.15 | Xenguy | Mardus: yes |
| 05:23.20 | Henning | pbryan: That makes sense. |
| 05:23.24 | zamolxes | pbryan, well .. |
| 05:23.34 | zamolxes | pbryan, if there's no error, it's mounted, you can use it |
| 05:23.42 | pbryan | Indeed, I could always use it. |
| 05:23.42 | Xenguy | Mardus: chkrootkit is apt-getable; rkhunter is not |
| 05:23.51 | zamolxes | pbryan, and the problem is? |
| 05:23.58 | Mardus | Xenguy: Ok |
| 05:24.01 | zamolxes | fuck, i just wasted 10 minutes of my life |
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| 05:24.14 | pbryan | I was reacting to someone's comment about USB drives should mount devices in /dev/usb/* |
| 05:24.23 | pbryan | It had always been /dev/sd* for me. |
| 05:24.25 | Xenguy | Mardus: they're both really good tools (I actually wish rkhunter was packaged for Debian) |
| 05:24.32 | pbryan | Sorry, I wasn't registering a problem. |
| 05:24.40 | Xenguy | zamolxes: OMG :-) |
| 05:24.44 | cartel_ | ok, so its not dhelp. |
| 05:24.51 | Henning | pbryan: Yeah, I think that goes for all of us using usb storage devices and simular. |
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| 05:24.52 | Mardus | zamolxes: Don't worry -- my evil half-brother and my ignorant third sister both think that my life is pointless. |
| 05:25.07 | Xenguy | Mardus: which shows what they know ;-) |
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| 05:25.44 | Mardus | Xenguy: Well, you are debian helpers, not psychiatrists. |
| 05:25.57 | zamolxes | Mardus, well most people's lifes are pointless, but I actually have stuff happening |
| 05:25.58 | Xenguy | Mardus: we're AOTA ;-) |
| 05:26.14 | zamolxes | Mardus, so i'll _worry_ |
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| 05:26.19 | Mardus | Xenguy: AOTA? |
| 05:26.31 | Xenguy | zamolxes: nobody's life is "pointless" (you heard it here first ;-) |
| 05:26.40 | Xenguy | Mardus: 'all of the above' |
| 05:26.51 | sh0rt | mine is |
| 05:27.00 | zamolxes | Xenguy, come on. think of the hair stylists and such |
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| 05:27.03 | bucky | actually being on irc makes your life have meaning |
| 05:27.08 | Xenguy | sh0rt: yer wrong - thank you :-) |
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| 05:27.17 | Xenguy | zamolxes: hah |
| 05:27.52 | Mardus | zamolxes: Well, I worry too, but once ppl have to start living and stop worrying. |
| 05:28.28 | Mardus | sh0rt: Well, welcome to the club of guys whose lives are deemed pointless by other ppl |
| 05:28.55 | sh0rt | its me who thinks its pointless |
| 05:29.17 | Mardus | sh0rt: Or by their not-so-good relatives. I think it's not this bad. |
| 05:29.33 | bucky | i've felt a lot better ever since i completely gave up hope |
| 05:29.49 | Mardus | bucky: Yea, and reading about others' lives from bash.org :) |
| 05:30.30 | bucky | Mardus, well you actually installing debian has inspired me |
| 05:31.04 | sh0rt | i cant seem to get linux rescue disk to unmount my cd drive when restoring from cd with partimage |
| 05:31.09 | Mardus | bucky: Yea, well, I can't remember all the names attending here when I was installing debian. |
| 05:31.18 | rixth_ | What is a good editor that includes source highlighting/ I'm using gedit at the moement. |
| 05:31.32 | poonj | hey guys |
| 05:31.34 | poonj | to update modules |
| 05:31.44 | poonj | after editing /etc/modules/* |
| 05:31.48 | poonj | do I run |
| 05:31.53 | poonj | update-modules? |
| 05:32.26 | poonj | yeap |
| 05:32.27 | poonj | sorry about that t |
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| 05:32.37 | zamolxes | RichiH, i'm extremly happy with vim. you might want to run vimtutor first. if you're a C coder , you might want to read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/C-editing-with-VIM-HOWTO/ |
| 05:32.39 | Mardus | sh0rt: on your deeming your life pointless: My best friend advised me in a best-friendly manner to not pour ash on oneself. |
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| 05:33.05 | Mardus | poonj: How old are you? |
| 05:33.05 | zamolxes | rixth_, read above :) |
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| 05:33.22 | sh0rt | anyone used the rescue cd from here http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 05:33.30 | pbryan | One of my friends told me not to make an ass of oneself. |
| 05:33.30 | guestish | okay! |
| 05:33.32 | guestish | my mouse broke |
| 05:33.34 | guestish | whoopie |
| 05:33.38 | guestish | but my system is up to date :) |
| 05:33.40 | guestish | and i have a spare! |
| 05:33.42 | guestish | =D |
| 05:33.49 | poonj | Mardus: too damn old |
| 05:33.52 | Mardus | guestish: ahh, good for you |
| 05:33.58 | poonj | Mardus: why? |
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| 05:34.04 | guestish | Mardus: :) |
| 05:34.09 | guestish | Mardus: it would be a pain if i didnt |
| 05:34.16 | guestish | !usb drive |
| 05:34.20 | zamolxes | ugh. its one of those friday mornings, i think i'll get back to doing important stuff |
| 05:34.20 | guestish | !usb key |
| 05:34.21 | sh0rt | !tell guestish about enter |
| 05:34.24 | rixth_ | I do like vim, but I'd prefer somthing graphical :) |
| 05:34.29 | guestish | !smite sh0rt |
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| 05:34.30 | Mardus | poonj: You were writing like a kid... One phrase per line. |
| 05:34.34 | zamolxes | rixth_, gvim |
| 05:34.39 | guestish | sh0rt: thanks for opening a query window |
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| 05:35.00 | poonj | Mardus: sorry about that. I get "enter" happy sometimes |
| 05:35.08 | zamolxes | rixth_, keep in mind that it's a text editor, not gimp |
| 05:35.10 | takatumi | rixth_: abiword or OO kinda graphical? |
| 05:35.18 | Mardus | poonj: me too and looks like guestish too. |
| 05:35.23 | bucky | poonj.. isn't that indian for something? |
| 05:35.31 | guestish | Mardus: you know the list of modules i need in order to use a usb drive? |
| 05:35.38 | rixth_ | Gonna take a look at emacs, I want something that can highlight PHP code. |
| 05:35.42 | hope22 | I just got a digital camera. I've plugged in the USB cable and it is recognized as Canon Digital Camera. Anyone knows how I can mount this to see the pix? |
| 05:35.46 | Xenguy | rixth_: vim (you'll thank yourself again and again; takes determination and patience tho) |
| 05:35.50 | Mardus | guestish: No, it must be huge, I guess. |
| 05:35.53 | guestish | Mardus: na |
| 05:35.58 | guestish | Mardus: i doubt it |
| 05:36.06 | rixth_ | I do know basic VIm |
| 05:36.08 | takatumi | rixth_: vim highlights it as well. but emacs is fun too. |
| 05:36.17 | Mardus | guestish: too much then or none |
| 05:36.25 | poonj | bucky: my last name is poon...and I'm not indian |
| 05:36.27 | Xenguy | takatumi: emacs is an IDE, not an editor |
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| 05:36.46 | takatumi | Xenguy: yeah right. |
| 05:36.48 | sh0rt | hope22, gnome-volume-something cant remember |
| 05:36.49 | Mardus | poon: South Asian? |
| 05:36.53 | guestish | Mardus: yep, i forgot scsi drive support |
| 05:36.54 | Xenguy | takatumi: you know it |
| 05:36.58 | poonj | Mardus: chinese |
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| 05:37.07 | takatumi | gnome-volume-manager? |
| 05:37.09 | rixth_ | How do I get Vim to highlight then? |
| 05:37.12 | sh0rt | thats it |
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| 05:37.29 | takatumi | Xenguy: how's xen2? |
| 05:37.34 | Xenguy | rixth_: if you have a ~/.vimrc ... |
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| 05:37.59 | takatumi | rixth_: try this for quicks, :syntax on |
| 05:38.05 | hope22 | sh0rt ? |
| 05:38.14 | Mardus | poonj: fyi, there's "The House of Flying Daggers" showing in its first weeks here in Estonia. Am gonna see it, has great music, trailer showed beautiful imagery, pictures and scenery. |
| 05:38.17 | Xenguy | rixth_: ... syntax on <- should work |
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| 05:38.28 | sh0rt | hope22, do you use gnome |
| 05:38.58 | Xenguy | takatumi: I need to create a macro that responds something like, "I had this nick first - Xen the app came later" :-) |
| 05:39.19 | hope22 | sh0rt Not really, but it is installed. |
| 05:39.34 | takatumi | Xenguy: get a host cloak that say notxen.user |
| 05:39.45 | Xenguy | takatumi: hah, good idea |
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| 05:39.55 | sh0rt | hope22, ok, just run gnome-volume-manager from a terminal and it should mount your camera |
| 05:40.08 | Xenguy | takatumi: or maybe just follow my destiny and become a xen user ;-) |
| 05:40.21 | takatumi | why the hell do you need gnome-volume-manager to mount it from a terminal? |
| 05:40.34 | sh0rt | easiest way i could think of |
| 05:40.49 | takatumi | Xenguy: you should take a look at some of the screenshots. |
| 05:40.55 | hope22 | I don't have gnome-volume-manager :( |
| 05:41.07 | takatumi | hope22: good for you. |
| 05:41.34 | hope22 | takatumi so how can I mount this? |
| 05:41.56 | Mardus | So many names have become familiar here... |
| 05:42.34 | takatumi | hope22: stuff a similar line in your /etc/fstab "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto sync,noauto,user,exec 0 0" |
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| 05:43.37 | Mardus | Xenguy: so I ran chkrootkit. It scans for stuff. |
| 05:43.48 | Xenguy | Mardus: yes |
| 05:43.50 | takatumi | Mardus: try rkhunter as well. |
| 05:43.55 | Xenguy | takatumi: I will RSN |
| 05:43.59 | flurdoing | can someone tell me how to cat a file from the last occurence of a word till end? using tail/sed/awk/etc is ok too... i cant figure it out :( |
| 05:44.01 | Mardus | takatumi: it's not apt-gettable |
| 05:44.08 | mwilson | Why in the world would you specify a camera as being an executable filesystem? |
| 05:44.09 | takatumi | Mardus: not yet. |
| 05:44.25 | Mardus | takatumi: I have woody. |
| 05:44.32 | takatumi | mwilson: does it matter? |
| 05:44.41 | Xenguy | Mardus: download 'rkhunter' anyway - very easy to install (and unobtrusive) |
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| 05:45.01 | Xenguy | Mardus: install it to /usr/local/src |
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| 05:45.25 | takatumi | mwilson: I use the same line for my usbstick as well. |
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| 05:46.11 | usuario | camera.exe? |
| 05:46.11 | Mardus | Xenguy: I think of my brother whom I know longer than you and I see you being so helpful, although I hardly know you. Fascinating. As Spock said. |
| 05:47.05 | Mardus | Xenguy: My bro being an @$$ |
| 05:47.06 | Xenguy | Mardus: heh. Spock is cool (but he needs to learn to relax :-) |
| 05:47.06 | Xenguy | Mardus: tx (I think :-) |
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| 05:47.28 | claw | !mount |
| 05:47.28 | dpkg | methinks mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 05:47.29 | Mardus | Xenguy: How did they sign off so fast? |
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| 05:47.49 | Mardus | Woww. |
| 05:47.56 | Xenguy | Mardus: who? |
| 05:48.18 | claw | !fstab |
| 05:48.18 | dpkg | well, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 05:48.25 | Mardus | Xenguy: I wrote about my brother being an (at-sign)(dollarsign)(dollarsign) |
| 05:48.51 | Xenguy | Mardus: < Mardus> Xenguy: How did they sign off so fast? |
| 05:48.53 | Mardus | Xenguy: Then suddenly lots of people signed off for a minute at once! and then signed on again. |
| 05:48.57 | nvz | nigel_c: thats called a netsplit |
| 05:49.03 | Xenguy | Mardus: ahh |
| 05:49.07 | nvz | Mardus: thats called a netsplit |
| 05:49.19 | Xenguy | Mardus: prolly a 'netsplit' |
| 05:49.33 | Mardus | What's a netslplit? |
| 05:49.36 | hope22 | I think the problem might be that it does not come up as a mass storage device. |
| 05:49.38 | Mardus | * netsplit |
| 05:49.50 | hope22 | Mounting /dev/sda does not work. |
| 05:49.57 | Xenguy | Mardus: IRC network defence mechanism |
| 05:50.01 | nvz | Mardus: its when two nodes or clusters of nodes of a network loose contact |
| 05:50.08 | Xenguy | Mardus: of sorts |
| 05:50.22 | nvz | Mardus: hopefully your client didnt show 104 people joining and leaving. |
| 05:50.27 | Mardus | Xenguy: defence mechanism against foul language? |
| 05:50.30 | nvz | Mardus: if so you need to use a real IRC client |
| 05:50.32 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 05:50.42 | Mardus | nvz: It did in fact. I use EPIC4. |
| 05:50.50 | nvz | mine only showed the first 10, and on one line. |
| 05:51.00 | Xenguy | Mardus: network stuff - don't pay much attention to it mostly |
| 05:51.00 | nvz | Mardus: ffs, upgrade to IRSSI |
| 05:51.14 | Xenguy | Mardus: irssi is good |
| 05:51.17 | Mardus | nvz: EPIC4 is new-usr-friendly |
| 05:51.25 | nvz | fuck you, irssi is great :P |
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| 05:51.26 | Mardus | irssi is not |
| 05:51.54 | Xenguy | Mardus: irssi is the future; epic is the past ;-) |
| 05:52.00 | nvz | there is nothing to be user friendly about a 100% text protocol client |
| 05:52.03 | Mardus | nvz: I tried it out, but to actually get to use irc, which I needed more than learning to use irssi then, EPIC4 worked and I still use it. |
| 05:52.20 | nvz | Mardus: irssi is what was formally known as epic IIRC |
| 05:52.27 | sh0rt | hope22, you may want to look at gphoto2 if you cant mount it |
| 05:52.35 | Xenguy | nvz: are you ceratin of that? |
| 05:52.49 | Xenguy | nvz: I didn't know there was a connection |
| 05:52.54 | nvz | Xenguy: no, I dont visit irssi.org as often as I do freenode.net :P |
| 05:52.56 | Xenguy | *certain |
| 05:52.59 | Mardus | nvz: Ok, but EPIC4 actally got to the freenode server by default (then to my surprise). |
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| 05:53.28 | Mardus | nvz: And since I could go to here more easily. |
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| 05:53.53 | nvz | Mardus: thats the silliest shit I ever heard |
| 05:54.05 | nvz | irssi comes with a startup-HOWTO.html file |
| 05:54.16 | nvz | breastfeeds lazy morons |
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| 05:54.26 | Xenguy | Mardus: anyway, yer right -- whatever works :-) |
| 05:54.50 | Mardus | nvz: And EPIC4 is by default more user-friendly. With irssi, I got a stupid command line. |
| 05:55.13 | marinos | !!! |
| 05:55.13 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 05:55.45 | Xenguy | Mardus: in the long run tho, irssi is yer friend :-) |
| 05:55.46 | Mardus | nvz: Not that I don't mind command lines, but I needed to get here first and then learn stuff later. |
| 05:55.48 | marinos | how did it know ? |
| 05:56.05 | Mardus | Xenguy: In the LONG run. |
| 05:56.14 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 05:56.32 | nvz | Mardus: no matter what you use irc is just text. |
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| 05:56.44 | bob2 | irssi gave you a "command line"? |
| 05:56.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.06 | Mardus | Xenguy: Well, XChat is also installed here, but somehow @Home I got used to being here through EPIC4 (via xterm). |
| 05:57.28 | nvz | I've used xchat, and it royally sucks |
| 05:57.46 | nvz | irssi with screen, and scriptassit, it just doesnt get any easier |
| 05:57.59 | Xenguy | Mardus: it's OK, I'm just telling you that irssi is probably a better console client in the long run (just MHO of course :-) |
| 05:58.16 | Mardus | Xenguy: chkrootkit said that eth1 is not promiscuous. How is that explained in-depth? |
| 05:58.33 | nvz | Mardus: means its only listening to traffic addressed to it |
| 05:58.34 | Xenguy | Mardus: non-promiscuous is a good thing |
| 05:58.34 | takatumi | Mardus: you don't know what you are missing. http://gpoppy.org/2004-11-22-153500_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 05:59.05 | Xenguy | Mardus: promiscuous implies someone nasty might be sniffing network traffic |
| 05:59.23 | nvz | what implies they are nasty? |
| 05:59.54 | Mardus | nvz: I've used XChat too, only when I have gaim and Netscape Communicator working in a machine of 32M RAM, I wish to keep sys resource usage at an optimum level |
| 06:00.07 | Mardus | Xenguy: network traffic from/to me? |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin_ | Mardus: use irssi-test and bitlbee, then |
| 06:00.10 | Xenguy | nvz: huh? if yer IF is PROM, and you didn't do it, then that is inevitably a bad sign |
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| 06:00.24 | nvz | oh so thats why you use xchar instead of irssi and bitlbee *rolls his eyes* |
| 06:00.31 | Guerin_ | Mardus: because neither xchat nor netscape is optimal use of resources |
| 06:00.42 | Guerin_ | g'day nvz |
| 06:00.54 | Mardus | bob2: I couldn't get to use X yet and I needed to get to here. irssi was stupendous to me or the other way round |
| 06:01.01 | takatumi | Guerin_: howdy pardner? |
| 06:01.27 | Xenguy | Mardus: you typically don't want yer NIC to be promiscuous by default ;-) |
| 06:01.46 | nvz | Guerin_: hello (: We've been going on about why he doesnt use irssi for awhile now.. he's not made a valid point yet, other than he's too lazy to grok /usr/share/doc/irssi-text/startup-HOWTO.html |
| 06:01.48 | guestish | yeah... |
| 06:01.53 | Mardus | Xenguy: yea |
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| 06:01.56 | guestish | promiscous doesnt really help |
| 06:02.01 | Guerin_ | hah |
| 06:02.20 | claw | I'm trying to make one of my drives mount automatically at startup and be accessible to all users... ive entered the following line in fstab '\dev\hdb1 \mnt\STORAGE ntfs rw,user 0 0' and though it seems to mount its only accessible to root :/ |
| 06:02.24 | guestish | in fact it does nothing useful for a computer you are actually using.... |
| 06:02.25 | Mardus | Guerin: I wasn't too lazy to grok how to get x working |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin_ | irssi is the reson I never have to use a windows irc client |
| 06:02.29 | bob2 | Mardus: it runs. it opens a window. you type "/connect irc.servername.net". you hit enter. enjoy. |
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| 06:02.47 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 06:03.01 | topo | hehehehehe |
| 06:03.01 | nvz | irssi + screen, with a little help from putty |
| 06:03.04 | guestish | claw: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 06:03.04 | topo | hello |
| 06:03.10 | Mardus | bob2: You mean irssi? |
| 06:03.15 | nvz | and of course ssh, and a shell, and.. and.. |
| 06:03.27 | bob2 | Mardus: yes. |
| 06:03.34 | Mardus | bob2: I didn't know that. |
| 06:04.03 | Mardus | bob2: epi4 did this for me and I only got to do /join #this room here |
| 06:04.08 | Mardus | * epic4 |
| 06:04.18 | bob2 | that's luverly |
| 06:04.57 | nvz | I only have to open irssi, and it connects to freenode, identifies my nick with nickserv, joins #debian and #flood, because I read the fucking startup-HOWTO.html |
| 06:05.34 | nvz | heh :P |
| 06:06.16 | rob^ | nvz, I wrote an xchat python script that does that just by typing /freenode, wouldn't be hard to change it to do all that automatically |
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| 06:07.03 | nvz | rob^: yeah, but you see xchat is teh suck. so.. |
| 06:07.04 | Mardus | Well, once I get the comp's keybd to be human-like again... |
| 06:07.14 | jewel | I have a program stalled when reading from a network socket (evolution). Is there a way to kill the socket without killing the program? |
| 06:07.26 | rob^ | nvz, what makes xchat suck? |
| 06:07.31 | takatumi | rob^: no need for any scripts, its just 3 or 4 steps from the startup howto to get that done. |
| 06:07.53 | rob^ | takatumi, yes, but the script does other things too |
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| 06:08.02 | Guerin_ | rob^: it'sgtk2, for a start |
| 06:08.10 | takatumi | although scripts or themes can add some spice. |
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| 06:08.20 | takatumi | rob^: ^ |
| 06:08.36 | nvz | rob^: what makes it not suck? |
| 06:08.43 | topo | solo se habla ingels? |
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| 06:09.16 | nvz | section 1 of the /usr/share/doc/irssi-text/startup-HOWTO.html " 1. For all the lazy people " |
| 06:09.22 | rob^ | yes there are problems, but they are mostly minor |
| 06:09.33 | Mardus | All ye: Before epic4, I used XChat here on Linux. And before XChat, I used mirc! |
| 06:09.33 | Guerin_ | !es |
| 06:09.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:09.47 | Guerin_ | before irssi, I used schat |
| 06:09.57 | Guerin_ | s/s/x/ |
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| 06:10.03 | bob2 | ah, you used mirc |
| 06:10.06 | bob2 | my condolences |
| 06:10.16 | dinomite | i never found mirc too bad |
| 06:10.17 | rob^ | yes, mine too |
| 06:10.21 | Guerin_ | excuse my typing; my $term is all fucked and I can't actually see what I'm typing |
| 06:10.32 | dinomite | it's got all hte features you need |
| 06:10.37 | Guerin_ | dinomite: you must never have gotten pwn3d then |
| 06:10.42 | dinomite | it's not like IRC is that complicated of a system |
| 06:10.44 | Guerin_ | or paid for it |
| 06:10.49 | dinomite | Guerin: nope, neither |
| 06:10.53 | Mardus | bob2, yea thanks bob2, rob^, I used various versions of mirc only to get here. |
| 06:11.20 | rob^ | dinomite, like a decent scripting language? |
| 06:11.38 | dinomite | i've never needed to script anything for IRC |
| 06:11.39 | rob^ | the mirc scripting language sucks |
| 06:11.40 | claw | I'm trying to make one of my drives mount automatically at startup and be accessible to all users... ive entered the following line in fstab '\dev\hda1 \mnt\WINDOWS vfat rw,user 0 0' and though it seems to mount its only accessible to root :/ ..............yes this is the very same question i just asked but im now asking for the vfat partition i have which also has the same problem |
| 06:11.48 | dinomite | I generally use IRC to talk to people |
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| 06:12.06 | toona | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.06 | toona | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.08 | rob^ | yes, but some of us want more, more mahahahahaha! |
| 06:12.10 | nvz | at least xchat, mirc and all other shitty clients mind their own business, bitchx infects the network with stupid quit messages |
| 06:12.28 | rob^ | heh |
| 06:12.34 | claw | my question is, i guess... is there someway to modify this line so when the drive gets mounted ALL users can access and write to it? |
| 06:12.54 | claw | or do i have to do something else? |
| 06:13.02 | bob2 | claw: you didn't read the FAQ |
| 06:13.08 | bob2 | claw: hint: umask=002 in the option field |
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| 06:14.02 | nvz | FAQ stands for Forget Asking Questions until you've read the FAQ which is the Frequently Answered Questions :P |
| 06:14.11 | Mardus | I still use AIM protocol in gaim (only useful IM thingy it can do). This gaim is too old. I can't use anything that would use msn messenger protocol. |
| 06:14.19 | nvz | s/Answered/Asked/ |
| 06:14.57 | nvz | rob^: you see the problem is, computers are like air conditioners ... |
| 06:15.06 | nvz | rob^: ... when you open windows, they just don't work. |
| 06:15.06 | rob^ | heh |
| 06:15.12 | DoppelGanger | not |
| 06:15.21 | rob^ | yes. |
| 06:15.34 | claw | I dont mind reading... but which FAQ are we talking about? |
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| 06:15.58 | rob^ | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:16.09 | Mardus | Ah, general question: by default debian does install a firewall? Is iptables a firewall in Linux? |
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| 06:16.18 | rob^ | just a guess |
| 06:16.20 | nvz | claw: maybe the one at the beginning of the /topic? |
| 06:16.20 | claw | ah, ok, thnx |
| 06:16.26 | christor | Hello |
| 06:16.35 | bob2 | Mardus: no, yes |
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| 06:16.40 | rob^ | Mardus, no |
| 06:16.47 | christor | Please need help, Is there a command to add a permanent route on debian? |
| 06:16.48 | Xenguy | Mardus: I recommend 'shorewall' for a firewall |
| 06:16.58 | nvz | christor: route? |
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| 06:17.11 | christor | nvz: yes gateway |
| 06:17.20 | nvz | christor: route, perhaps. |
| 06:17.22 | bob2 | Please need stop being annoying |
| 06:17.22 | DoppelGanger | /etc/networks/interfaces |
| 06:17.33 | bob2 | christor: you need to /etc/network/interfaces, as the FAQ says |
| 06:17.38 | Xenguy | Mardus: iptables is the main firewall mechanism; 'shorewall' is "iptables made easy" :-) |
| 06:17.38 | bob2 | christor: man 5 interfaces describes the format |
| 06:17.45 | DoppelGanger | strike tht extra s |
| 06:17.45 | christor | bob2: ok but I need to add it in command line |
| 06:17.51 | bob2 | christor: that's nice |
| 06:17.56 | christor | bob2: I know the /etc/.... |
| 06:17.57 | bob2 | I need a pony, too |
| 06:18.11 | bob2 | then write a sed script or something |
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| 06:18.16 | bob2 | you haven't actually explained your problem |
| 06:18.19 | Mardus | Xenguy: Ah, ok. "iptables made easy" in which ways easier? |
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| 06:18.26 | bob2 | the "route" command doesn't set anything permanently |
| 06:18.33 | arestheimpaler | ok damn it, if I going to compile for an amd 64 but going to run under 32 bits |
| 06:18.37 | arestheimpaler | what processor family should I choose? |
| 06:18.41 | arestheimpaler | the: Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 ??? |
| 06:18.44 | Xenguy | Mardus: heh - you want to write yer own firewall from scratch? (hint: you don't) |
| 06:18.45 | christor | bob2: OK 2 sec need work my brain :) |
| 06:18.46 | arestheimpaler | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.53 | Xenguy | Mardus: see the web page |
| 06:18.58 | jm_ | christor: you can add it permanently via interfaces file |
| 06:19.01 | Mardus | Xenguy: No no firewall from scratch |
| 06:19.28 | rob^ | Mardus, I wrote mine from scratch.. very painful |
| 06:19.35 | zamolxes | uh, you mean there are *specialised IRC clients* ?? whoa, i've been using telnet al along, it seemed the natural thing |
| 06:19.36 | Mardus | Xenguy: so I have iptables and that is just a basic firewall? |
| 06:19.37 | bob2 | arestheimpaler: why are you wasting your time? |
| 06:19.53 | arestheimpaler | bob2, ??????? |
| 06:20.05 | bob2 | arestheimpaler: just use the amd64 port |
| 06:20.05 | rob^ | zamolxes, how's the ping/ponging going :P |
| 06:20.18 | hope22 | sh0rt gphoto2 wass the way to go. Apparently my camera (and many canons) cannot work as USB mass storage. Thanks a bunch. |
| 06:20.18 | bob2 | I doubt compiling with 32-bit k8 optimisations will help very much |
| 06:20.20 | arestheimpaler | yeah, like that works perfect :D |
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| 06:20.29 | Xenguy | Mardus: iptables is just a mechanism without implementation; 'shorewall' uses iptables to build a professional, easy firewall |
| 06:20.37 | sh0rt | hope22, :) |
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| 06:20.47 | Mardus | rob^: So you wrote a firewall. If it was gnu firewall something, or anything that helped other people too, then I thank you for your service :) |
| 06:20.51 | zamolxes | rob^, well i try not to miss them, it's a pain when i have to go shit |
| 06:20.51 | Xenguy | Mardus: so 'shorewall' is a firewall/iptables 'script' |
| 06:20.53 | rob^ | bbs, gonna mess with my firewall |
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| 06:21.04 | rob^ | :) |
| 06:21.20 | RRT | has anyone setup thunderbird to collect local system mail? |
| 06:21.32 | rob^ | Mardus, I wrote a script |
| 06:21.47 | Mardus | Xenguy: But basically, IPtables does protect from intrusions? |
| 06:22.01 | Xenguy | Mardus: yer not getting it - no... |
| 06:22.04 | rob^ | neway.. bbs |
| 06:22.16 | sh0rt | why the hell cant i unmount the cdrom when partimage has finished reading the first one |
| 06:22.20 | nvz | RRT: syntax error: "anyone": no such nick/channel (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail, |
| 06:22.41 | bob2 | RRT: #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org might be a better place to ask |
| 06:22.44 | Xenguy | Mardus: iptables is an 'inactive' tool that you can 'activate' with yer own rules, or by running a 'firewall script' -- guess which is easier? :-) |
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| 06:23.13 | Mardus | Xenguy: Ahhhh.... But I have iptables activating on startup. What does that mean then? |
| 06:23.17 | RRT | could be but considering there is a debian package for thunderbird this might also be a good place to ask |
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| 06:23.40 | Mardus | Xenguy: Like, boot message says: Setting up iptables... |
| 06:23.41 | DoctaBu | I RETURN |
| 06:23.45 | DoctaBu | With good news! |
| 06:23.49 | rob^ | hmm.. seemed to work |
| 06:23.55 | zamolxes | Mardus, man. iptables isn't 'active' or the sort |
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| 06:24.03 | Xenguy | Mardus: I have no idea what your setup is, but unless yer a firewall expert (or extremely knowledgeable), trust me, you don't want to roll yer own from scratch |
| 06:24.04 | nvz | RRT: yeah, if you want to ask a specific question about a problem with that debian package. |
| 06:24.19 | zamolxes | Mardus, iptables is a userspace tool that you can use to handle rules in Netfilter kernel infrastructure |
| 06:24.30 | dli | any exim4 experts? |
| 06:24.40 | rob^ | ? |
| 06:24.46 | nvz | RRT: if you dont get an answer, then you serve yourself to find a more appropriate audience. |
| 06:24.49 | Mardus | zamolxes: I just felt like I was reading Chinese. |
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| 06:25.00 | zamolxes | Mardus, i really suggest reading /usr/share/doc/iptables//html . it's plain english |
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| 06:25.04 | Xenguy | Mardus: it takes time :-) |
| 06:25.09 | dli | Mardus, the opposite here |
| 06:25.09 | RRT | nvz: won't be hard |
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| 06:25.24 | Mardus | Xenguy: Am not firewall expert, thus not rolling my own from scratch. |
| 06:25.37 | nvz | never is |
| 06:26.05 | Xenguy | Mardus: apt-get install shorewall <-- one option (there are others of course) |
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| 06:26.15 | Mardus | Okay, but how do I know that there are no attack attempts or such? Will do shorewall thing |
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| 06:26.23 | dli | Mardus, to setup firewall in a n00b way, apt-get install bastille |
| 06:26.27 | bob2 | shorewall will log blocked stuff |
| 06:26.35 | bob2 | but you need to stop thinking like a windows user |
| 06:26.39 | zamolxes | Mardus, you don't need to be a fw expert to write 3 iptabes rules. |
| 06:26.40 | bob2 | why do you want a firewall at all? |
| 06:26.40 | FlimFlamMan | anyone know of web-based room/resource scheduling software that will run on debian? commercial, F/OSS, anything? |
| 06:26.57 | Mardus | bob2: Me a Linux beginner |
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| 06:27.01 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: perhaps opengroupware/phpgroupware has something |
| 06:27.02 | bob2 | Mardus: yes, I know |
| 06:27.11 | FlimFlamMan | bob2, thx |
| 06:27.13 | bob2 | Mardus: this is an important lesson, tho. *why* do you want a firewall? |
| 06:27.21 | bob2 | Mardus: just because you used one on windows? |
| 06:27.22 | Xenguy | Mardus: after installation/configuration you can use a web tool like 'Shields Up!' to portscan your linux workstation -- it will tell you what ports are open and which are not |
| 06:27.31 | Xenguy | Mardus: that's one approach |
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| 06:27.45 | Xenguy | bob2: why? |
| 06:28.03 | Xenguy | bob2: the internet is hostile for 24/7 users? |
| 06:28.13 | Mardus | bob2: Not just because there was a firewall in Windows, but because I'm on a dhcp network, but firewalls there reported connection attempts to a machine I use |
| 06:28.31 | Mardus | Xenguy: I've used shields up! on Windows. |
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| 06:28.44 | bob2 | Xenguy: ? |
| 06:28.48 | bob2 | Xenguy: what does a firewall do? |
| 06:28.53 | bob2 | Mardus: so? |
| 06:28.58 | zamolxes | FlimFlamMan, i know of something for scheduling classes/labs/exams in an university/highschool, would that be of use to you? |
| 06:29.00 | Xenguy | bob2: what is yer point, my friend? |
| 06:29.05 | dli | Mardus, apt-get install nmap , to do a port scan |
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| 06:29.10 | bob2 | Xenguy: that most people have no need or use for a firewall |
| 06:29.23 | bob2 | Mardus: you don't need a firewall unless you actually run services you're trying to protect |
| 06:29.24 | Xenguy | bob2: I disagree with that approach frankly |
| 06:29.24 | rob^ | Mardus, Xenguy Shields Up! isn't all that good, try using nmap.. |
| 06:29.35 | Mardus | dli: I learned about nmap when watching Matrix: Reloaded. |
| 06:29.41 | Xenguy | rob^: there are different tools of course |
| 06:29.42 | nvz | Xenguy: anyone who doesnt know how to configure a firewall cant make any good use of one. |
| 06:29.45 | rob^ | hahaha |
| 06:29.52 | Xenguy | nvz: of course |
| 06:29.54 | Flimzy | Is it possible to run dual-head non-Xinerama mode, and move windows between displays? Someone on here yesterday told me they had done as much, but I'm seriously doubting their credibility. |
| 06:29.56 | nvz | and there is more to it than configuration , there is also the auditing and such |
| 06:30.14 | Xenguy | nvz: setting one up is one way to learn |
| 06:30.18 | bob2 | Xenguy: why? |
| 06:30.26 | bob2 | Xenguy: what is the point of a firewall for a desktop user? |
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| 06:30.35 | Mardus | nvz: Knowing how to conf a couple Windows firewall doesn't count in here? |
| 06:30.42 | rob^ | Xenguy, I used to use Shields Up!, but it doesn't detect everything, like several ports in its scanning range I had open but it labeled them as "stealth" |
| 06:30.49 | Xenguy | bob2: see above - the internet is basically hostile these days |
| 06:30.53 | bob2 | Xenguy: blah |
| 06:30.54 | bob2 | Xenguy: duh |
| 06:30.58 | bob2 | Xenguy: WHAT DOES A FIREWALL DO? |
| 06:31.06 | bob2 | it blocks ports |
| 06:31.06 | Xenguy | bob2: now I'll ask you - why not? |
| 06:31.07 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 06:31.11 | dli | Mardus: install bastille |
| 06:31.14 | bob2 | you only need to block ports if something is listening on that port |
| 06:31.22 | bob2 | desktop users don't have things listening on ports |
| 06:31.27 | bob2 | ergo, no need for a firewall |
| 06:31.36 | Xenguy | bob2: that's untrue |
| 06:31.38 | rob^ | bob2, we hope |
| 06:31.39 | bob2 | stop spreading stupid "OMG THE INTARWEB IS HOSTILE YOU NEED A FIREWALL" |
| 06:31.44 | bob2 | Xenguy: which bit is untrue? |
| 06:31.46 | Xenguy | bob2: I run a desktop and I offer services |
| 06:32.00 | christor | bob2: Ok you are right , I m idiot , but is someone know what file modified in Solaris to update the gateway? |
| 06:32.12 | bob2 | christor: oh, you're using solaris? #solaris. |
| 06:32.20 | nvz | Mardus: the idea of a firewall is to block access to your 65535 or so ports.. and then to allow certain traffic through based on rules. if you allow inbound traffic on port 80, and then run MSIE on port 80 and go to a site with any of a number of MSIE exploits for example, you are still vulernable, the firewall does nothing to protect someone who doesnt know what they are really doing with one |
| 06:32.35 | FlimFlamMan | zamolxes, possibly - what is it? |
| 06:32.37 | rob^ | too quick bob2 |
| 06:32.43 | rob^ | :) |
| 06:32.43 | ice_1963 | what wood be the best to install woody 3.0 or sarge |
| 06:32.57 | christor | bob2: Ok thx very much , cool |
| 06:33.04 | rob^ | umm.. for you woody |
| 06:33.07 | nvz | Mardus: if you open port 22, then run ssh on port 22, with passwords enabled, root logins allowed, and your root password is "root" then you are owned |
| 06:33.14 | mark_ | Hi, I've recently found myself unable to login to KDE. I see part of the splash screen (no graphic, just the text "setting up interprocess communication") and then the system hangs. I can't switch to VTs, but if I ssh in from another machine I can see that XFree86 is consuming 99% CPU. Any ideas how I can diagnose / fix this problem? |
| 06:33.18 | bob2 | Xenguy: and do you want to restrict access to some of them? |
| 06:33.23 | MobyTurbo | !tell ice_1963 about d-i |
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| 06:33.45 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 06:33.46 | CryptSeeker | ab1588 |
| 06:34.04 | CryptSeeker | hehe,woops |
| 06:34.07 | ice_1963 | what is d-i |
| 06:34.09 | Xenguy | bob2: I think I see the gist of your argument, but basically I want control over what packets are DROPed, and those that are not |
| 06:34.42 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good Gnome-aware and dual-head aware window manager? |
| 06:34.52 | bob2 | Xenguy: why do you want to DROP packets at all? |
| 06:34.56 | MobyTurbo | ice_1963: read your /msg |
| 06:34.57 | dli | why the debian default exim4 won't accept any non-local mail? |
| 06:35.07 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 06:35.11 | bob2 | dli: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:35.12 | Mardus | nvz: I want the computer to be protected. I also watch pr0n from some sites that I deem questionable (for that reason I disable cookies and javascript), but I don't want a pr0n site connecting to my machine. |
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| 06:35.31 | PEACEYALL | can any anyone help me , i plugged my MP3 player in the usb port and i did fdisk -l, but i couldnt see my mp3 player there , all i could see is my hard drives , even if i try mounting it even though i dont know the name t wouldnt work , my mp3 player is MPMAN-F35 , anyone know a way so i can mount my mp3 player? |
| 06:35.32 | Xenguy | bob2: let me put it this way: are you recommending that everyone run their servers 24/7 with no firewalls? |
| 06:35.41 | nvz | Mardus: stop watching AOL commercials, and happy pr0n surfing |
| 06:35.44 | dli | bob2: did that, and chose internet site, and listening to empty |
| 06:35.45 | bob2 | Xenguy: I'm recommending people actually think about what a firewall does |
| 06:35.53 | bob2 | Xenguy: 95% of people have no need for one |
| 06:35.57 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: fdisk is not the mount command |
| 06:36.01 | Xenguy | bob2: fair enough, but my question still stands |
| 06:36.07 | PEACEYALL | i know Gnea |
| 06:36.08 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 06:36.10 | Mardus | nvz: I am not watching aol commercials. |
| 06:36.17 | nvz | Mardus: a firewall isnt going to change the way you browse the web |
| 06:36.19 | PEACEYALL | i was doing fdisk to see if it detected it |
| 06:36.23 | bob2 | Xenguy: I'm advocating people think, and yes, most people shouldn't bother |
| 06:36.24 | zamolxes | FlimFlamMan, http://www.lalescu.ro/liviu/fet/ |
| 06:36.32 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: fdisk isn't what you want to use |
| 06:36.33 | nvz | Mardus: an anonymizing proxy may, but not a firewall |
| 06:36.33 | bob2 | Xenguy: because if they do install one, it will do nothing at all |
| 06:36.35 | dli | bob2: sender verify failed, remote host address is the local host |
| 06:36.37 | Mardus | nvz: that's true. |
| 06:36.39 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: dmesg and lsusb |
| 06:36.44 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 06:36.46 | PEACEYALL | ill try |
| 06:36.51 | Xenguy | bob2: I'll think about that for a bit, and get back to you :-) |
| 06:36.52 | nvz | !info anon-proxy |
| 06:36.53 | dpkg | anon-proxy: (Proxy to surf the web anonymously), section web, is optional. Version: 00.02.39-5 (sid), Packaged size: 122 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 06:37.05 | nvz | Mardus: something like that ^ |
| 06:37.30 | Mardus | nvz: Hmmmmmmm.... |
| 06:37.39 | nvz | I tried it out once, but I didnt like it.. I realized I wasnt that paranoid |
| 06:37.53 | christor | Again one question :) , i would like to search a word in a file like "grep -r word ./*" , but grep -r doesn t exist. Is someone can help me with the commande find? |
| 06:38.06 | bob2 | christor: solaris is crap |
| 06:38.12 | bob2 | this is one aspect of it's crapness |
| 06:38.18 | PEACEYALL | Gnea what am i supposed to do with dmesg here? |
| 06:38.19 | bob2 | install the GNU tools like everyone else does |
| 06:38.27 | rob^ | heh |
| 06:38.27 | christor | bob2: lol yes but I have already done but I don t remember the syntax |
| 06:38.28 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: read it |
| 06:38.31 | MobyTurbo | christor: man grep |
| 06:38.33 | bob2 | christor: or, find ./ -print0 | xargs -0 grep blah |
| 06:38.35 | Mardus | nvz: It's also better to go to sites that have good and honest pr0n and I dunno... I am paranoid I guesss... In some instances. |
| 06:38.37 | Henning | bob2: I doubt your statistics are correct. |
| 06:38.38 | PEACEYALL | gnea donee that |
| 06:38.45 | bob2 | christor: oh, except solaris xargs is crap and doesn't have -0 |
| 06:38.46 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: surely there's a clue |
| 06:38.52 | bob2 | Henning: of course they aren't, I made them up |
| 06:38.53 | PEACEYALL | nop |
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| 06:39.15 | christor | bob2: ok trying |
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| 06:39.34 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: dunno then, what about lsusb? |
| 06:39.57 | nvz | Mardus: yeah if you want something to help it feel more like wintendo, install chrootkit, have it run in cron.daily, will be like "Trojan Gaurder" on wintendo, and then install anon-proxy, and reconfigure your browsers to use that.. heh |
| 06:40.23 | PEACEYALL | lsusb only shows my card reader others are 000000 |
| 06:40.41 | Gnea | is the mp3 player currently plugged in and turned on? |
| 06:40.47 | PEACEYALL | ya |
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| 06:40.57 | Gnea | ok unplug it |
| 06:41.00 | Gnea | wait a sec |
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| 06:41.03 | Gnea | then run lsusb again |
| 06:41.04 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 06:41.12 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 06:41.15 | PEACEYALL | same thing |
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| 06:41.17 | Gnea | maybe dmesg will say something about it too |
| 06:41.24 | akusarujin | anyone know where the kernel option is for pc speaker support? i haven't had to set it in a while :( |
| 06:41.39 | Gnea | akusarujin: er, what kernel? |
| 06:41.43 | nvz | what the hell is a pc speaker .. heh |
| 06:41.50 | PEACEYALL | L:/ |
| 06:41.56 | Aaton | *Beep!* |
| 06:41.56 | nvz | I havent seen one of them since the IBM XT .. heh |
| 06:42.07 | Gnea | nvz: seen or heard? ;) |
| 06:42.09 | Mardus | akusarujin: You mean perhaps sound card? |
| 06:42.21 | nvz | actually I think my Compaq Prolinea had a small speaker surface mounted on the mobo |
| 06:42.23 | PEACEYALL | dmesg is thes ame too |
| 06:42.26 | PEACEYALL | same* |
| 06:42.31 | nvz | they just tie that shit into the sound card now |
| 06:42.35 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: what version of debian u on? |
| 06:42.39 | PEACEYALL | sarge |
| 06:42.44 | akusarujin | Gnea, 2.6.x, i should have said |
| 06:42.44 | Gnea | what kernel? |
| 06:42.51 | akusarujin | Mardus, pc speaker |
| 06:42.53 | maher | PEACEYALL: are you running hotplug |
| 06:42.56 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 06:42.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:42.57 | akusarujin | 2.6.11 |
| 06:43.07 | PEACEYALL | maher whats hotplug |
| 06:43.15 | maher | PEACEYALL: try dpkg -l hotplug |
| 06:43.19 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 06:43.31 | akusarujin | Gnea, vanilla 2.6.11 |
| 06:43.37 | Mardus | nvz, Xenguy: I also have gaim running so there is (in a way) a service running. It's not exactly server... |
| 06:43.46 | PEACEYALL | rc hotplug 0.0.20040329-1 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 06:44.14 | MobyTurbo | akusarujin: you do know of course that vanilla 2.6 kernels are "development kernels" that are not stable without vendor patches? |
| 06:44.31 | Mardus | akusarujin: Oh, ok. |
| 06:44.36 | akusarujin | MobyTurbo, life's tough, i suppose? |
| 06:44.38 | nvz | Mardus: gaim is a GTK multi-protocol messenger program for X its an X client application to send instant messages and chat online, its not a service |
| 06:44.45 | Gnea | akusarujin: how much u gonna pay me to tell you? |
| 06:45.05 | Mardus | nvz: Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 06:45.08 | akusarujin | Gnea, a thank you if you refer me to the right section, to be precise. |
| 06:45.19 | polok | what is the package that has the manual pages for the c libraries? |
| 06:45.28 | nvz | Mardus: and unlike Yahoo! Messenger and such on wintendo, its not tied into MSIE, and doesnt interpret any DOM code that comes across the line with full permission on the system |
| 06:45.43 | Mardus | nvz: Well, that too. |
| 06:45.45 | maher | PEACEYALL: do tail -f /var/log/kern.log in a spare terminal and unplug / replug the device and see if it shows up |
| 06:46.26 | Mardus | nvz: AOL's own AIM is also in part "unlike Y!Messenger". At least when it comes to versions that I use. |
| 06:46.32 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 06:46.37 | sh0rt | akusarujin, device drivers>input device support>pcspeaker |
| 06:47.04 | Mardus | nvz: But a 'service' type thing would perhaps have to happen if I were to send a file to another IM user? |
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| 06:47.08 | stephen_ | hi |
| 06:47.24 | takatumi | akusarujin: 'CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR' the module name is 'pcspkr'. |
| 06:47.33 | Gnea | akusarujin: what sh0rt said, except it's actually device drivers>input device support>Misc>pc speaker |
| 06:47.37 | stephen_ | how do i mount a USB hard drive in debian? |
| 06:47.53 | Gnea | stephen_: there's a howto for that |
| 06:47.57 | stephen_ | where |
| 06:47.59 | nvz | Mardus: nope, depends on the service.. Yahoo just uploads the file to their breifcase site, then sends a URL to the other user.. some others may use a DCC type connection protocol |
| 06:48.02 | Gnea | where do you think |
| 06:48.05 | Gnea | you never heard of google |
| 06:48.11 | stephen_ | no |
| 06:48.21 | Gnea | google.com? |
| 06:48.23 | Gnea | go there |
| 06:48.24 | Gnea | use it |
| 06:48.28 | dli | should I use exim3 instead of exim4 ? |
| 06:48.32 | PEACEYALL | maher i think it showed up but it sas: Mar 25 10:46:20 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 7 |
| 06:48.33 | PEACEYALL | Mar 25 10:46:20 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: device not accepting address 7, error -71 |
| 06:48.33 | PEACEYALL | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.37 | aimaz | stealth, it's pretty easy |
| 06:48.40 | aimaz | erk |
| 06:48.40 | nvz | Mardus: again, things like this would not be helped by a firewall, if you run a client that allows something malicious to take place, and you have the port open on a firewall, its the same as no firewall |
| 06:48.45 | aimaz | stephen_, it's pretyt east |
| 06:48.50 | aimaz | easy* |
| 06:48.50 | maher | PEACEYALL: what device is this |
| 06:48.53 | aimaz | i can type honest |
| 06:49.04 | Mardus | nvz: I understand that. |
| 06:49.24 | PEACEYALL | maher its a USB MP3 Player , MPMAN - F35 |
| 06:50.10 | maher | PEACEYALL: the not accepting address bit is a bad sign - either the device is buggy or the kernel is disagreeing with it |
| 06:50.11 | Mardus | nvz: msn messenger is sometimes picky about connections. On one occasion it's impossible to send files, on some other it's possible. |
| 06:50.24 | nvz | I think I said this yesturday.. but I think I've had enough #debian already today |
| 06:50.30 | Mardus | nvz: I've attributed this to firewall problems. |
| 06:50.43 | Mardus | nvz: I wholly agree with you about #debian. |
| 06:50.49 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: try searching google for that: mpman f35 linux |
| 06:50.53 | nvz | Mardus: thats about all a firewall is good for in the wrong hands, causing problem |
| 06:50.56 | PEACEYALL | i did |
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| 06:51.11 | PEACEYALL | i only came up with 4 resulyts relating to my topic and the rest are crap and no helped |
| 06:51.56 | Mardus | nvz: I've also read a bit about firewalls, but I just want the computer to be safe from intrusions. |
| 06:52.16 | maher | PEACEYALL: http://mplinuxman.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:52.22 | akusarujin | Gnea, takatumi thanks--i figured it was under input, but every time i looked i didn't see it (misc wasn't selected, a little bit hidden :P) |
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| 06:52.35 | PEACEYALL | maher i tried that |
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| 06:52.46 | PEACEYALL | but thats only for f50 and some othe rstuff not for f35 |
| 06:53.08 | nvz | Mardus: don't install or run anything you don't understand, set a security plan into action, and audit, edit, repeat (if nessicary) |
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| 06:53.31 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: http://www.world.co.uk/sba/mpman.html ? |
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| 06:54.03 | Ghostbuster | hi all |
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| 06:54.07 | Mardus | nvz: It's probably auditing that needs to be done. This system and architecture and ways and philosophies of using all this are still new t me. |
| 06:54.13 | poonj | hey guys, what is the gtk package called? |
| 06:54.25 | simonrvn | @tell poonj -about search |
| 06:54.38 | Mardus | poonj: do apt-cache search gtk |
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| 06:54.47 | jm_ | besides, there is no "the gtk package", there are several in Debian |
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| 06:55.21 | Mardus | nvz: Auditing in the sense that I want t test the system and try it out and stuff like that in the nearer future. |
| 06:55.23 | nvz | yeah only about 702 hits on apt-cache search gtk | wc -l |
| 06:55.24 | PEACEYALL | Gnea ill try taht ty |
| 06:55.28 | Mardus | * to |
| 06:55.48 | PEACEYALL | anywayz , whats the best proxy hunter and chainer for linux? |
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| 06:56.10 | maher | PEACEYALL: you probably need a special driver for the device |
| 06:56.27 | poonj | Mardus: I did...and I don't see a GTK package |
| 06:56.28 | dli | maher: are you familiar with exim4 ? |
| 06:56.35 | Mardus | Anywayz, too. Thanks for lots of explaining and stuff. I'll return here after ... I dunno... A good sleep perhaps. |
| 06:56.37 | PEACEYALL | maher ya i think so |
| 06:56.41 | nvz | heh |
| 06:56.42 | poonj | Mardus: is it a library? or a whole pakcage of softwarE? |
| 06:56.43 | maher | dli: no - i have only used exim3 |
| 06:57.01 | dli | maher: okay, I will try exim3 then |
| 06:57.08 | Mardus | poonj: You have to have the sources right. gtk, as far as I know, is a library. Ask others. Search the Internet about it. |
| 06:57.19 | Mardus | like google: "what is" gtk |
| 06:57.30 | nvz | poonj: GTK is the Gimp ToolKit, there are many different versions and it comes in binary and development flavors..etc |
| 06:57.38 | simonrvn | ...and get laughed at when you post an issue to the exim MLs |
| 06:57.40 | dli | maher: the debian default exim4 doesn't work :( |
| 06:57.57 | maher | dli: what doesn't work |
| 06:58.04 | Mardus | poonj: It's best to ask others too, because I'm a beginner myself. |
| 06:58.05 | simonrvn | (not really, but get told to upgrade to 4) |
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| 06:58.18 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: chainer? |
| 06:58.21 | dli | maher: message: remote host address is the local host |
| 06:58.28 | nvz | poonj: you will have to be more specific, searching for gtk in debian brings up over 500 packages easily, and just looking for libgtk, brings up over 50 |
| 06:58.34 | dli | maher: always reject remote mail |
| 06:58.59 | simonrvn | dli: add the hostname to localdomains_norewrite |
| 06:58.59 | maher | dli: dunno - stare at the config and ponder |
| 06:59.07 | Mardus | poonj: You also need to know exactly what kind of gtk you need. There are also slight variations in naming. |
| 06:59.18 | Mardus | poonj: And what for you need gtk. |
| 06:59.31 | dli | simonrvn, to where? I just ran "dpkg-reconfigure" |
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| 07:00.17 | PEACEYALL | Gnea like a program that can use the fastest proxys at once like it puts all of the proxys together and u change ure ip to 127.0.0.1 and port to w/e the program tells u and u use all of thema t once |
| 07:00.27 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 07:00.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:00.49 | simonrvn | dli: open an editor - i don't use the split config - look for ... sec |
| 07:01.05 | Mardus | I guess Imma go. Thanks for discussions (re nvz, Xenguy, bobs, robs and say hi to Phated from me) |
| 07:01.28 | maher | PEACEYALL: what sort of proxy? |
| 07:01.32 | PEACEYALL | anonymmous |
| 07:01.36 | PEACEYALL | and elite |
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| 07:01.44 | Gnea | heh... |
| 07:02.00 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: that's a fantasy, unless you want AI to take over :) |
| 07:02.03 | maher | PEACEYALL: there is something called an elite proxy? |
| 07:02.16 | PEACEYALL | ya there iss |
| 07:02.20 | nvz | poonj: anon-proxy |
| 07:02.23 | maher | oh dear |
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| 07:02.26 | nvz | er |
| 07:02.30 | PEACEYALL | its a proxy that doesnt leave any trace , not even tellign ure using one |
| 07:02.30 | nvz | PEACEYALL: anon-proxy |
| 07:02.51 | PEACEYALL | actually Gnea there is a program like taht in windows |
| 07:02.58 | nvz | !info anon-proxy |
| 07:03.00 | dpkg | anon-proxy: (Proxy to surf the web anonymously), section web, is optional. Version: 00.02.39-5 (sid), Packaged size: 122 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 07:03.02 | takatumi | PEACEYALL: ANON-PROXY |
| 07:03.08 | Gnea | PEACEYALL: and you honestly believe that it doesn't leave any traces? |
| 07:03.10 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:03.13 | simonrvn | dli: should be in one of the first domainlist settings. in the main part of the conf |
| 07:03.16 | PEACEYALL | yes i checked it too |
| 07:03.16 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 07:03.26 | PEACEYALL | in a script |
| 07:03.48 | simonrvn | yeh right. doesn't leave any trace. what a crock. |
| 07:03.55 | Gnea | exactly |
| 07:03.59 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:04.02 | Gnea | they still log tcp and udp connections |
| 07:04.07 | maher | PEACEYALL: i hope you are not using it at the moment |
| 07:04.07 | Gnea | gonna show up on a router somewhere |
| 07:04.11 | nvz | Description: Proxy to surf the web anonymously This package contains the JAP client which acts as a local proxy between your browser and the insecure Internet. All requests for web pages are handled by JAP and are encrypted several times. The encrypted messages are sent through a chain of intermediate servers (named Mixes) to the final destination on the Internet. |
| 07:04.16 | PEACEYALL | maher no im not using a proxy now |
| 07:04.16 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:04.18 | Gnea | all it takes is one fed red light to go off and bam |
| 07:04.24 | simonrvn | not only that, but you can tell through the headers the proxy sends. |
| 07:04.31 | Gnea | exactly |
| 07:04.36 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 07:04.37 | Gnea | "ANON-PROXY!" |
| 07:04.45 | dli | simonrvn, the reason seems to be, " shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory" |
| 07:04.48 | PEACEYALL | is taht a program |
| 07:04.51 | Gnea | "hello, this is the anon-proxy running on this IP" |
| 07:05.02 | Gnea | yeah, really anonymous there |
| 07:05.04 | Gnea | whois IP |
| 07:05.08 | Gnea | traceroute IP |
| 07:05.13 | Gnea | ping IP |
| 07:05.25 | Gnea | got a phone # from that whois? |
| 07:05.34 | simonrvn | dli: the dir it's looking in doesn't exist, or one above it, so it "has no clue" where it is. usually. check the path |
| 07:05.42 | simonrvn | hinfo IP |
| 07:05.45 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:06.24 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:06.50 | nvz | I just started using /exec -o with a tr -d "\n" today instead of pasting lines together. heh works a lot better |
| 07:07.06 | dli | simonrvn, strange thing, I simply did, "apt-get --yes install exim;apt-get --yes install exim4", the dir problem fixed |
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| 07:07.29 | simonrvn | probably incomplete install. no biggie |
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| 07:07.57 | nvz | piping /exec -o commands through a grep -A 5 pattern | tr -d "\n" is a pretty safe way to paste usually. providing your pattern is unique in the input |
| 07:08.29 | ysothoth | Heh... I didn't know good old backdoored JAP was in debian. |
| 07:08.37 | bob2 | ? |
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| 07:09.23 | Vantage_ | i have just plugged in a used router. it's been previously configured. is there a tool i can use to discover the routers ip address and connect to it? |
| 07:09.33 | aqua | I have a question about the debian vserver kernel patch:kernel-patch-ctx |
| 07:09.38 | nvz | Vantage_: yeah, a dhcp client :P |
| 07:09.48 | aqua | by apt-get'ing it, is it automatically installed? |
| 07:09.52 | Vantage_ | nvz: the router doesn't appear to have DHCP enabled (tried it) |
| 07:09.57 | nvz | Vantage_: dhcp discovery goes out on the same address, reguardless of the IP |
| 07:09.57 | aqua | or must complie another kernel? |
| 07:10.07 | nvz | Vantage_: ah, I see |
| 07:10.09 | simonrvn | broadcast ping to the suspected broadcast IP; arp discovery; other shit |
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| 07:10.22 | mark_ | what's the deal with /etc/font/conf.d |
| 07:10.40 | mark_ | I was acustomed to using local.conf, does that replace it? |
| 07:11.05 | Vantage_ | tried pinging the suspected broadcast IP, no luck. how would you do arp discovery? |
| 07:11.06 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/fontconfig/README.Debian |
| 07:11.13 | dli | simonrvn, domainlist local_domains = ? |
| 07:11.18 | jm_ | mark_: read /usr/share/doc/fontconfig |
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| 07:11.26 | simonrvn | dli yes |
| 07:11.30 | mark_ | oops, RTFMing thanks |
| 07:11.37 | dli | simonrvn, domainlist local_domains = DEBCONFlocal_domainsDEBCONF |
| 07:11.42 | nvz | Vantage_: cant you just hit the reset button :P |
| 07:11.44 | dli | simonrvn, debian's fault |
| 07:11.53 | Vantage_ | nvz: sadly, there isn't one. |
| 07:12.02 | simonrvn | dli: like i said, i don't use that. stick it where you think it should go *shrug* |
| 07:12.11 | nvz | gah, there's always a reset button :P |
| 07:12.18 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config IIRC |
| 07:12.20 | maher | Vantage_: bet there is - look for small holes on the back / underside |
| 07:12.37 | simonrvn | arp --help ;) |
| 07:12.44 | Vantage_ | nvz: nope. only way to do it is through reseting the config file on the serial port (netopia r314) |
| 07:12.58 | Coke | Does the MIT GSS API have the SPNEGO mechanism supported? |
| 07:12.59 | Vantage_ | haven't been able to connect to it via serial port unfortunately... |
| 07:13.04 | nvz | this conversation is boring me beyond bored.. cause I was bored when I started |
| 07:13.06 | dli | simonrvn, dpkg-reconfigure didn't do anything to the file :( |
| 07:13.27 | Vantage_ | however, if I plug a dsl modem in one end it seems to connect... and traffic does flash lights on the router, so it's not dead... |
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| 07:13.34 | simonrvn | dli: it's obviously a macro. you should see where it gets set |
| 07:13.50 | nvz | I'm going to bed, hope I run into someone tomorrow, cause I have nothing particuarly interesting planned for this friday |
| 07:14.12 | dli | simonrvn, where's the postinst script? |
| 07:14.27 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 07:14.28 | Vantage_ | er, that should have been netgear rt314... god i'm tired... |
| 07:14.53 | simonrvn | and it wouldn't be there... it's probably in /var/lib/exim4 or /etc/exim4 |
| 07:15.15 | maher | Vantage_: http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/RT314.asp |
| 07:17.22 | Vantage_ | what's the proper syntax for arp to set an ip address if you know the ethernet address? |
| 07:17.22 | simonrvn | i used to know this... |
| 07:17.22 | Vantage_ | because this thing has the ethernet address on a sticker on the back... |
| 07:17.22 | Vantage_ | so if i could just map it to an ip... |
| 07:17.23 | Vantage_ | assuming the sticker is correct... |
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| 07:17.45 | simonrvn | specify MAC and IP address you want to set on that MAC. i think |
| 07:17.48 | Gnea | Vantage_: what kinda router is it? |
| 07:17.56 | Vantage_ | gnea: netgear rt314 |
| 07:18.00 | simonrvn | something llike that |
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| 07:18.08 | poonj | hey guys, I'm getting this message Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:18.09 | Flimzy | How do you select a different WM in gnome? |
| 07:18.15 | Vantage_ | simonrvn: so "arp MAC IP" then? |
| 07:18.19 | poonj | this is when I try to pull up printtool.. |
| 07:18.26 | Flimzy | It shouldn't be this hard... but I've been searching FMs for the last hour for clues |
| 07:18.38 | poonj | where do I configure xhost to accept a localhost connection? |
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| 07:18.50 | Gnea | Vantage_: have you tried looking for a manual on their webpage? |
| 07:18.59 | jm_ | poonj: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:19.07 | poonj | jm_: use printtool |
| 07:19.24 | Vantage_ | gnea: read the manual and the help pages, they don't cover the problem i've got |
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| 07:19.56 | simonrvn | Vantage_: i think it goes like arp -s MAC IP |
| 07:20.05 | Gnea | Vantage_: uhm so wait, you're just trying to connect to it right? |
| 07:20.17 | simonrvn | i'd google first, my memory on this is unsure |
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| 07:20.28 | Vantage_ | simonrvn: yeah, i think your right (reading the manpage as we speak) |
| 07:20.39 | Gnea | Vantage_: got a spare nic on yer machine? |
| 07:20.40 | Caeies[taff] | hi all |
| 07:20.44 | Vantage_ | gnea: trying to figure out what IP it's got assigned to it |
| 07:21.00 | simonrvn | FYI, that's to *set* the IP |
| 07:21.04 | Gnea | Vantage_: is it currently on the internet connection or not? |
| 07:21.25 | Vantage_ | gnea: no, i'm not connected via the router at the moment |
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| 07:21.41 | Gnea | Vantage_: ok do you have a spare nic on your machine? |
| 07:21.53 | Caeies[taff] | I get a problem on a debian testing. When trying to export X display into an ssh connection, I get password boxes of Thunderbird, but I never get the main window ... any idea ? |
| 07:21.55 | Gnea | Vantage_: as in, one that isn't currently being used |
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| 07:22.11 | Vantage_ | gnea: assuming I can get a module loaded for it, yes (this isn't my computer or router) |
| 07:23.05 | Gnea | Vantage_: ok, well try to get that nic to get recognized, then have it plug into the router as a standard host that would be using it as an internet connection (pretending it's on the internet, but not really, obviously) |
| 07:23.18 | Gnea | Vantage_: then just run dhclient or pump on that interface |
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| 07:23.21 | Gnea | and it should pull the ip |
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| 07:23.39 | Vantage_ | gnea: how? the router doesn't have DHCP enabled |
| 07:23.42 | Gnea | and you shouldu be able to nmap the router ip that it puts into the routing table |
| 07:23.47 | jm_ | poonj: more details |
| 07:23.49 | jeff_[CX]-sw0rdS | is there .deb for the latest version of firefox? |
| 07:23.58 | Guerin | hrm, curious |
| 07:24.03 | Gnea | Vantage_: how do you know that it doesn't if you don't try to connect to it? |
| 07:24.08 | poonj | jm_, I am logged in as a regular user, then superuser to try to run printtool from xterm |
| 07:24.17 | Vantage_ | gnea: because that was the first thing I tried :) |
| 07:24.17 | Flimzy | How do you select a different WM in Gnome 2? |
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| 07:24.24 | Guerin | i just got back to my desk, and my laptop, and someone's tried three times to enter my screen password |
| 07:24.27 | jm_ | poonj: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 07:24.49 | jeffr | hey is there a .deb for the latest firefox? |
| 07:24.49 | Guerin | !tell jeffr about latest |
| 07:24.59 | Guerin | !tell jeffr about repeat |
| 07:25.04 | poonj | thats jm_ |
| 07:25.08 | poonj | thanks jm_ |
| 07:25.24 | simonrvn | rather um, a bit disturbing when you google something and your own site turns up as the first hit... |
| 07:25.35 | WebLogic | heh |
| 07:25.36 | Guerin | !famesmite simonrvn |
| 07:25.51 | Guerin | i think looking through your referrer strings is the weirdest |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | @win Guerin for locking his screen |
| 07:26.04 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Guerin for locking his screen! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | I got some hits off a google search on farm sex once; not sure wntirely why |
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| 07:26.38 | dli | simonrvn, what's the real conf file in debian? /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template ? |
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| 07:27.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh, I only locked my /usr/bin/screen; if he'd bothered to hit C-c he could have created another terminal :) |
| 07:27.08 | Gadicath | Anyone know how to fix the dependancy probs with ocaml-base-nox 3.08.3, or do I have to get the source package and fix up the control file? |
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| 07:27.44 | Guerin | come to think of it, I can't be sure that didn't happen |
| 07:27.54 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 07:27.58 | simonrvn | dli: i think it gets cp to that right before the daemon starts. i'd check the scripts involved. see the README.Debian too while you're at it |
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| 07:28.10 | Guerin | i'm surrounded by koreans who always ask me why I'm using ms-dos |
| 07:28.16 | Gnea | Vantage_: http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/networking/Netgear_RT314/Netgear_RT314_pg2.html |
| 07:28.18 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:28.19 | takatumi | dli: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template? |
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| 07:28.42 | WebLogic | what is this ms-dos you speak of? |
| 07:28.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: have you told them yet that it isn't dos? |
| 07:28.50 | Guerin | WebLogic: that's what I always say |
| 07:28.55 | WebLogic | heh |
| 07:28.56 | WebLogic | =\ |
| 07:28.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah, about 50 times |
| 07:29.08 | dli | takatumi, how to configure one? dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 07:29.25 | Guerin | they actually have a unix admin here; i think their router is a unix box of some kind |
| 07:29.36 | jm_ | Guerin: nmap -O :) |
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| 07:29.40 | Guerin | and they have an ultrasparc 10 sitting under a desk gathering dust |
| 07:29.53 | simonrvn | dli: upex4conf |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | jm_: heh |
| 07:30.00 | simonrvn | (from the init script) |
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| 07:30.46 | takatumi | dli: yes, what is the error/problem? |
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| 07:31.09 | dli | takatumi, dpkg-reconfigure does nothing to the .conf.template file |
| 07:31.20 | Caeies[taff] | Hum i get the same problem with mozilla-firefox |
| 07:31.43 | takatumi | dli: what are you trying to re-configure? |
| 07:31.46 | dli | takatumi, leaving things like "DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF" |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | today is a particularly joyous friday in korea |
| 07:32.16 | dli | takatumi, obiviously those "DEBCONF" should be replaced by dpkg |
| 07:32.37 | Gnea | Guerin: again? |
| 07:32.41 | dli | Guerin: oh, what's that? I love korean food |
| 07:32.49 | takatumi | dli: why? |
| 07:32.57 | Guerin | tomorrow is apparently the first saturday which school's out - part of a new 'instituting the 5-day working week' initiative the government is on here |
| 07:33.19 | Guerin | korean food is great when you can eat something else if you want |
| 07:33.24 | Gnea | how did it work before? |
| 07:33.28 | dli | takatumi: it has nothing set correctly now, can you /dst me your exim4.conf.template file? |
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| 07:33.34 | Gnea | i've only ever known a 5 day business-day week |
| 07:33.54 | Guerin | Gnea: thank the trade unions for that, sunshine |
| 07:34.02 | Guerin | korea's a 6-day week |
| 07:34.07 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:34.10 | Gnea | what day is usually off? |
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| 07:34.14 | jm_ | sunday ;) |
| 07:34.16 | dli | Guerin: I will figure out what you said after I fixed my exim4 |
| 07:34.16 | Guerin | though by 2010 it's supposed to be down to 5, officially |
| 07:34.19 | Guerin | sunday |
| 07:34.21 | simonrvn | tuesday ;P |
| 07:34.34 | jm_ | the weirdest is Israel |
| 07:34.43 | dli | Guerin: oh, which korea? |
| 07:34.50 | Guerin | dli: stupid question |
| 07:34.58 | Guerin | dli: hint: I have internet |
| 07:35.01 | Guerin | and electricity |
| 07:35.11 | Guerin | and I'm not eating grass and rats and tree bark |
| 07:35.12 | jm_ | and a Hyundai! |
| 07:35.16 | simonrvn | hence, south |
| 07:35.22 | dli | Guein: I heard NK's kim also has internet |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | dli: yeah, i think there are several thousand internet-connected machines up there |
| 07:35.47 | dli | Guerin: tell you what, I love rat |
| 07:36.03 | Guerin | dli: never have eaten rat |
| 07:36.07 | Guerin | dog ain't bad, though |
| 07:36.21 | dli | Guerin: snake in korea? |
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| 07:36.38 | Guerin | they eat it, but as a medicine, not strictly as food |
| 07:36.47 | takatumi | dli: http://gpoppy.org/exim4.conf.template |
| 07:36.59 | Guerin | most of these things, they've very cagey about feeding to furriners |
| 07:37.04 | dli | Guerin: I don't mind if I have to eat snake as medicine |
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| 07:37.07 | Gnea | Guerin: url? |
| 07:37.09 | Guerin | cat liqueur, snake, etc. |
| 07:37.13 | Guerin | Gnea: eh? |
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| 07:37.18 | Gnea | Guerin: for the work day thing |
| 07:37.37 | christor | Please I need help to modify an IP in a script wha tis the better solution? |
| 07:37.45 | dli | takatumi, thanks, it's the same :( |
| 07:37.46 | Guerin | Gnea: no idea, I'm just surrounded by jubilant kids who have a WHOLE saturday, rather than just the afternoon |
| 07:38.05 | dli | takatumi, but my exim4 rejects all non-local mail |
| 07:38.06 | Gnea | christor: huh? |
| 07:38.10 | Guerin | "teacher... tomorrow is school NO!!!1" |
| 07:38.17 | hrishi | How do I enable mouse gestures in epiphany 1.4.8? I am running Debian Sid and I have the epiphany-extensions package installed. but I dont see Mouse gestures in the Tools option |
| 07:38.25 | jetscreamer | lime coke tastes like pepsi |
| 07:38.30 | Guerin | woah, someone uses epiphany |
| 07:38.36 | christor | Please I need help to modify an IP in a script using an other script , what is the better solution("sed, ed...)? |
| 07:38.38 | rob^ | lime coke tastes like crap |
| 07:38.47 | Gnea | lime coke? |
| 07:38.50 | Gnea | what the hell's that? |
| 07:38.53 | jetscreamer | rob^, why are you repeating me :) |
| 07:38.56 | Guerin | lime+coke is only one ingredient away from a cuba libré |
| 07:38.58 | rob^ | coke + lime |
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| 07:39.17 | takatumi | christor: try #bash |
| 07:39.22 | Gnea | so |
| 07:39.25 | Gnea | coke + sprite |
| 07:39.35 | rob^ | libré? |
| 07:39.37 | jetscreamer | that would be lemonlime |
| 07:39.38 | Guerin | no |
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| 07:40.05 | Guerin | coke+lime-flavoured cleaning product flavour |
| 07:40.07 | Gnea | coke + sprite - lemon |
| 07:40.08 | takatumi | christor: and don't ask in multiple channels simultaneously. |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | rob^: is my accent wrong? |
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| 07:40.33 | Guerin | it probably is, since I'm but a lowly barman |
| 07:40.42 | rob^ | Guerin, it just appeared strange on my xchat window |
| 07:40.53 | Gnea | christor: the better solution than what? come on and tell us what you're doing, we'll find out eventually anyway :P |
| 07:40.55 | Guerin | rob^: get thee to a real charset :) |
| 07:41.00 | rob^ | yeah |
| 07:41.02 | jetscreamer | yeah it's a copyright sign... © |
| 07:41.11 | rob^ | yeah, I know |
| 07:41.26 | Guerin | what, you mean an oval with a ? inside? |
| 07:41.29 | rob^ | I get strange boxy things with numbers in the sometimes too |
| 07:41.39 | rob^ | ^them |
| 07:41.46 | jetscreamer | a circle with a c inside... rob^ me too a lot |
| 07:41.58 | Gnea | xchat is a lame irc client. |
| 07:41.58 | Guerin | ©? |
| 07:42.07 | Guerin | agreed, but it can do utf-8 |
| 07:42.09 | dli | this is outrageous, "apt-get install exim" failed, because /etc/init.d/exim does not exist |
| 07:42.09 | Guerin | apparently |
| 07:42.10 | jetscreamer | a-copyright-? |
| 07:42.18 | jetscreamer | libré? |
| 07:42.19 | rob^ | Gnea, why? |
| 07:42.19 | dli | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/exim: file does not exist |
| 07:42.21 | Guerin | dli: that's not outrageous, that's perfectly sane |
| 07:42.26 | Gnea | rob^: cuz it's a gui |
| 07:42.34 | dli | Guerin, how to fix it? |
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| 07:42.38 | Gnea | like mirc |
| 07:42.39 | rob^ | Gnea, is that all you have against it? |
| 07:42.44 | Guerin | dli: think for a moment |
| 07:43.02 | jetscreamer | 4... fore! |
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| 07:43.17 | rob^ | bah.. dam stupid mp3 player! Work dam you! |
| 07:43.28 | Gnea | rob^: naw, it looks like shit too :) |
| 07:43.37 | rob^ | heh |
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| 07:43.51 | jetscreamer | irsi looks like bitchx |
| 07:43.53 | pinkwink | hi, i've installed alsa sucessfully, and everything works for root. i can't seem to get it to work for other users. any ideas ? |
| 07:43.55 | jetscreamer | irssi even |
| 07:44.03 | Guerin | pinkwink: adduser user audio |
| 07:44.07 | Gnea | pinkwink: adduser user audio |
| 07:44.08 | jetscreamer | add ppl to the ^ |
| 07:44.12 | dli | Guerin, it's insane, I blame debian |
| 07:44.21 | jetscreamer | !sane |
| 07:44.22 | dpkg | it has been said that sane is Scanner Access Now Easy... S.A.N.E.. a project aiming to make scanning easy on Linux, so if you own a scanner.. or are about to buy one.. check out the page -> http://www.mostang.com/sane/ or restricted to SCSI scanners except one or two parallels ; apt-get install sane |
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| 07:44.23 | pinkwink | you have to be part of audio group to use alsa? |
| 07:44.24 | Guerin | dli: don't. It's that way for a very good reason. |
| 07:44.34 | Guerin | dli: blame whoever deleted that filoe. |
| 07:44.35 | jetscreamer | pinkwink, wtf is alsa |
| 07:44.46 | dli | Guerin, what's the rationale? |
| 07:45.03 | jetscreamer | note that i know wtf alsa is |
| 07:45.06 | pinkwink | the sound package |
| 07:45.15 | jetscreamer | does it have anything to do with audio? |
| 07:45.35 | Guerin | dli: you deleted an init script; reinstalling that package would reinstate it, causing a service to start under default conditions. Why should a packaging system undo what you've presumably done for a good reason? |
| 07:45.36 | jetscreamer | wait |
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| 07:45.45 | Caeies[taff] | so nobody for my problem ? ... |
| 07:45.47 | jetscreamer | does the sound package have anything to do with audio i mean |
| 07:45.54 | pinkwink | jetscreamer, yes |
| 07:45.58 | Gnea | pinkwink: to use any audio application |
| 07:45.58 | pinkwink | it allows for audio to happen |
| 07:46.00 | jetscreamer | !win pinkwink |
| 07:46.02 | Guerin | of course, in this case you clearly have no idea what you're doing, since you deleted it itfp |
| 07:46.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, pinkwink! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 07:46.11 | poonj | hey guys, I'm having some trouble printing to a remote windows machine where the printer is connected to |
| 07:46.16 | Guerin | Caeies[taff]: which? |
| 07:46.21 | poonj | I'm using printtool to try to configure the printcap file... |
| 07:46.24 | dli | Guerin, don't understand |
| 07:46.28 | poonj | but is there more to this than I am thinking? |
| 07:46.31 | Guerin | dli: yes |
| 07:46.35 | jetscreamer | so we can infer that being in the audio group is necessary to do audio things i guess |
| 07:46.36 | poonj | which is to configure printtool and try to print? |
| 07:46.43 | pinkwink | Gnea, is this only for debian specific, or do other distros have this scheme |
| 07:46.43 | Gnea | poonj: egads, get rid of that crap and install cups |
| 07:46.48 | Caeies[taff] | Guerin, the ffx and thunderbird main windows are not displayed througt a ssh connection |
| 07:46.58 | Gnea | pinkwink: there are other distros that have it as well |
| 07:46.59 | Caeies[taff] | I only get password boxes and other wizards |
| 07:47.07 | jetscreamer | hint: lp, cdrom, ... |
| 07:47.07 | Caeies[taff] | but I never get the main windows ... |
| 07:47.09 | Guerin | Caeies[taff]: check X server logs? |
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| 07:48.02 | pinkwink | i added the user to audio group, xmms still tells to check my configuration |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | dli: you opened up the bonnet of your car and made some alterations to something. You send it in for a service, and the mechanic goes "wtf did this guy do? I ain't touchin' that." |
| 07:48.07 | jetscreamer | where are good kde 3.4 .debs |
| 07:48.09 | Caeies[taff] | Guerin, from my side (the X server, nothing unusual |
| 07:48.27 | jetscreamer | pinkwink, you have to log out and back in for group changes to take effect |
| 07:48.33 | stephen_ | hi |
| 07:48.33 | Guerin | Caeies[taff]: i must confess ssh over x has always Just Worked for me |
| 07:48.38 | pinkwink | ah, right. thank you |
| 07:48.40 | stephen_ | i am going to install debian |
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| 07:48.44 | Caeies[taff] | Guerin, for me too |
| 07:48.46 | stephen_ | anything i need to get before hand? |
| 07:48.51 | Guerin | stephen_: beer |
| 07:48.59 | jetscreamer | stephen_, rc3 d-i |
| 07:49.01 | Caeies[taff] | That's just happened 2 or 3 days before |
| 07:49.03 | stephen_ | ? |
| 07:49.04 | jetscreamer | and beer |
| 07:49.04 | stephen_ | what |
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| 07:49.10 | Caeies[taff] | was always ok |
| 07:49.15 | stephen_ | should i dl the full ISO or the mini |
| 07:49.20 | Caeies[taff] | but I guess that some update kill something |
| 07:49.21 | jetscreamer | !tell stephen_ about d-i |
| 07:49.22 | Guerin | stephen_: they brew it out of barley... though in the us it's probably rice. |
| 07:49.24 | jetscreamer | netinstall |
| 07:49.25 | jm_ | jetscreamer: actually you don't, you can use sg or newgrp |
| 07:49.39 | poonj | okay |
| 07:49.42 | Guerin | it's good to drink, particularly while doing anything requiring concentration or attention to detail |
| 07:49.51 | stephen_ | so http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ does what |
| 07:50.08 | Athon_Solo | GreeN is an onjoin spam bot |
| 07:50.11 | jetscreamer | it spews forth html on demand? |
| 07:50.23 | Guerin | stephen_: it;s a website, sone. You use a web browser to visit it |
| 07:50.36 | stephen_ | o ok |
| 07:50.36 | jetscreamer | jm_, sg? |
| 07:50.40 | Guerin | !ops GreeN is an onjoin spambot |
| 07:50.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GreeN is an onjoin spambot |
| 07:50.42 | stephen_ | so sarge is latest |
| 07:50.46 | Caeies[taff] | Guerin, could it be a proble m with gconf ? |
| 07:51.06 | Guerin | Caeies[taff]: I don't know any of the apps in question |
| 07:51.07 | jetscreamer | stephen_, don't do woody, or anybody's for that matter |
| 07:51.17 | Caeies[taff] | Guerin, ok, thanks |
| 07:51.19 | chealer | stephen_: not really, sarge is testing |
| 07:51.28 | chealer | !tell stephen_ about releases |
| 07:51.29 | stephen_ | so which release am i to use? |
| 07:51.31 | Guerin | ok |
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| 07:51.45 | jetscreamer | chealer, you get to help him install gnome on woody |
| 07:51.51 | chealer | stephen_: are you installing for a desktop? |
| 07:52.16 | jetscreamer | if they ask, of course they are... :) |
| 07:52.44 | jetscreamer | at least, somebody's... |
| 07:52.49 | stephen_ | I want Debian to be my OS. That a smart idea? |
| 07:52.50 | christor | Please I do that on a script "sed 's/IP/Ip_modified/' foo > foo" but my file foo is empty after this command |
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| 07:52.58 | christor | is there an other solution? |
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| 07:53.17 | jetscreamer | stephen_, use rc3 from that d-i page, install sarge |
| 07:53.32 | jetscreamer | google your monitor's specs first |
| 07:53.35 | chealer | stephen_: yes, so do as jetscreamer says and use sarge (testing) |
| 07:53.35 | stephen_ | ? |
| 07:53.41 | stephen_ | u sure |
| 07:53.41 | Xamien | steven_ it's a pretty smart idea. I just installed sarge from the minimal netinstall cd today, works perfectly |
| 07:53.42 | stephen_ | testing |
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| 07:53.48 | jetscreamer | and know thy hardware |
| 07:53.52 | stephen_ | k |
| 07:53.54 | stephen_ | SO |
| 07:53.55 | jetscreamer | yes testing, aka sarge |
| 07:54.02 | stephen_ | where i go? |
| 07:54.07 | jetscreamer | that page |
| 07:54.08 | deadcat | !d-i |
| 07:54.09 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 07:54.19 | jetscreamer | the one with the html |
| 07:54.25 | stephen_ | now |
| 07:54.33 | stephen_ | netinst cd image, with Debian base? |
| 07:54.33 | jetscreamer | now is good, later if you want |
| 07:54.38 | jetscreamer | netinst is good |
| 07:54.43 | stephen_ | which 1 |
| 07:54.44 | stephen_ | i should get |
| 07:54.52 | jetscreamer | i386 usually |
| 07:54.56 | stephen_ | this is beta worried my hardware go focko |
| 07:54.58 | jetscreamer | or predominantly |
| 07:55.00 | stephen_ | i know that |
| 07:55.02 | stephen_ | i mean |
| 07:55.03 | sh0rt | how can i unmount my cdrom when it keeps saying its busy |
| 07:55.05 | stephen_ | get full cd? |
| 07:55.09 | stephen_ | or the netinst |
| 07:55.10 | stephen_ | u tell me |
| 07:55.12 | stephen_ | which 1 |
| 07:55.16 | Xamien | netinst |
| 07:55.17 | jetscreamer | netinst should function |
| 07:55.37 | stephen_ | how long it take to install debian sargE? |
| 07:55.44 | stephen_ | what come defualt with sarge? |
| 07:55.48 | deadcat | !tell stephen_ about enter |
| 07:55.52 | Xamien | anyone here ever get diablo II functioning under debian? |
| 07:56.12 | jetscreamer | sh0rt, something didn't release it, i hate that... a reboot works, i'm sure there is another way though |
| 07:56.15 | stephen_ | how bout steam? CS source |
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| 07:56.40 | sh0rt | yeah but this is when im trying to reimage from cd's so reboot very bad :) |
| 07:56.47 | jetscreamer | real men play idgames |
| 07:56.50 | Xamien | stephen, I would imagine that sarge will only take 30-45 minutes for you, maybe less if you let it do the automatic run |
| 07:56.53 | stephen_ | doom3 |
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| 07:57.04 | stephen_ | what? |
| 07:57.05 | stephen_ | the fook |
| 07:57.09 | stephen_ | u saying? |
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| 07:57.14 | stephen_ | take more time when auto |
| 07:57.20 | stephen_ | it's 3:00am |
| 07:57.22 | stephen_ | wow |
| 07:57.22 | PerfDave | !tell stephen_ -about enter |
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| 07:57.31 | deadcat | PerfDave: told that dumb ass already. |
| 07:57.35 | stephen_ | thank u! |
| 07:57.37 | sh0rt | !u |
| 07:57.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:57.38 | deadcat | PerfDave: just did /ignore here (= |
| 07:57.45 | PerfDave | deadcat: I thought it was worth reinforcing. |
| 07:57.48 | stephen_ | whoops |
| 07:58.00 | jetscreamer | !uu |
| 07:58.01 | stephen_ | I made a mistake guys... This ok with a AMD FX-5500? |
| 07:58.06 | deadcat | PerfDave: some people never learn |
| 07:58.10 | stephen_ | I am afraid of Beta |
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| 07:58.16 | stephen_ | my lovely CPU might die no? |
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| 07:58.30 | jetscreamer | dpkg, uu is u is easier to type than you |
| 07:58.30 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 07:58.32 | chealer | stephen_: why would your CPU die? |
| 07:58.33 | Xamien | yup, time for ignore, I'm tired of seeing him |
| 07:58.40 | deadcat | doesnt seem like alot of changes for rc3 to me |
| 07:58.42 | stephen_ | because Beta software fuck my hardware ? |
| 07:58.48 | deadcat | Xamien: already there (= |
| 07:58.48 | PEACEYALL | how do i do a ./configure so when i do make it uses gcc not g++ |
| 07:58.49 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 07:58.51 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:58.56 | jetscreamer | stephen_, so ok go install gentoo |
| 07:59.03 | stephen_ | hellz no |
| 07:59.07 | dondelelcaro | PEACEYALL: uh, I think you've got a fundamental misconception there. |
| 07:59.15 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:59.17 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 07:59.20 | stephen_ | jet what debian u got |
| 07:59.22 | PEACEYALL | ill say it again |
| 07:59.23 | deadcat | to all: lets all /ignore stephen_ |
| 07:59.29 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 07:59.33 | Xamien | already there |
| 07:59.36 | dondelelcaro | PEACEYALL: gcc is the C compiler. g++ is the C++ compiler |
| 07:59.37 | stephen_ | ? what |
| 07:59.46 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 07:59.49 | PEACEYALL | oh |
| 07:59.57 | Xamien | anyway... anyone here got any experience at all with running diablo II under Debian? |
| 08:00.02 | deadcat | simonrvn: would it be easier just ban him? (= |
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| 08:00.13 | chealer | stephen_: software doesn't harm hardware (generally speaking, anyway) |
| 08:00.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you the man (= |
| 08:00.24 | stephen_ | K so chealer i'm safe... |
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| 08:00.40 | jetscreamer | stephen_, for you, #ubuntu or #kanotix... they install their 1337 version of debian sid/unstable, with bleeding edge packages not available in regular debian |
| 08:00.51 | stephen_ | go with that? |
| 08:00.55 | stephen_ | ubuntu |
| 08:01.04 | stephen_ | kanotix? |
| 08:01.06 | deadcat | Xamien: no. google no good? the last game i tried with winex was the old CS. |
| 08:01.09 | jetscreamer | i think you'll be happpier with one of those.. probably ubuntu |
| 08:01.17 | chealer | Xamien: ask an actual question or try #winehq, cedega |
| 08:01.30 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 08:01.41 | deadcat | Xamien: i think you need winex rather than wine for games. |
| 08:01.44 | PEACEYALL | cs works better with wine not winx |
| 08:01.59 | jetscreamer | idgames don't need no frickin wine |
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| 08:02.03 | deadcat | PEACEYALL: oh. which version of CS? |
| 08:02.10 | PEACEYALL | 1.5 |
| 08:02.14 | TBBle | Master Of Orion 3 also works good with Wine. Except sound. |
| 08:02.17 | TBBle | ^_^ |
| 08:02.31 | PEACEYALL | just in cs put the graphics opengl in |
| 08:02.31 | jetscreamer | q3 pwnzors j00 |
| 08:02.35 | PEACEYALL | the menu there |
| 08:03.04 | Xamien | Aye but is there a way I can avoid having to compile winex before installing? I could compile and all that jazz but at this point, I don't want the headache. Easier to keep track of all the files if it's package installed |
| 08:03.04 | drp | jetscreamer: I agree |
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| 08:03.14 | deadcat | fry's employees are morons.. |
| 08:03.30 | jetscreamer | they have jobs, can't be all stupid |
| 08:03.37 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:03.58 | simonrvn | s/job/wage slave/ |
| 08:04.00 | deadcat | jetscreamer: i was asking about minipci and they kept telling to to pcmcia |
| 08:04.05 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 08:04.22 | deadcat | and they say. no pci dont work on ibooks |
| 08:04.23 | TBBle | Xamien: That's what you pay for. A .deb version. |
| 08:04.36 | Xamien | I was afraid of that |
| 08:04.39 | Caeies[taff] | If somebody get one day the same problem as me |
| 08:04.43 | Xamien | too poor, lol |
| 08:04.44 | Caeies[taff] | try to update the font cache |
| 08:04.50 | Xamien | fry employees make more than I do |
| 08:04.57 | Caeies[taff] | it *seems* to be the problem... but not sure at all |
| 08:05.06 | deadcat | simonrvn: you know if you can fit a diff minipci into the extreme slot in the ibook? |
| 08:05.11 | dli | simonrvn, my fault, exim4 indeed works, but only failed with a telnet port 25 test |
| 08:05.19 | simonrvn | Caeies[taff]: i update the font cache once a week. and once per x upgrade |
| 08:05.20 | jetscreamer | what i hate is having to call somebody's tier1 support (or whatever the low tech one is) |
| 08:05.29 | simonrvn | deadcat: no |
| 08:05.44 | deadcat | simonrvn: dont know or doesnt work? |
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| 08:05.58 | simonrvn | don't know (or care ;) |
| 08:06.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: doh.. |
| 08:06.12 | Caeies[taff] | simonrvn, yeah but why this should prevent ffx or thrdbd to run correctly remotely ?? |
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| 08:06.30 | sussudio | bdgr? |
| 08:06.32 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 08:06.36 | deadcat | damn. saw an airport base graphite on craigslist for $10. but sold )= |
| 08:06.44 | Xamien | Ok, so I compile winex myself, is there anyway I can mark everything connected to it so I locate all of it easily later on for uninstallation? |
| 08:06.47 | togs | anybody use egroupware? |
| 08:07.02 | simonrvn | #egroupware maybe... |
| 08:07.05 | Caeies[taff] | togs, use phpgroupware :) |
| 08:07.13 | togs | already there, simonrvn |
| 08:07.19 | maher | Xamien: stow |
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| 08:07.27 | simonrvn | then ask your question and wait |
| 08:07.42 | togs | already doing that, simonrvn |
| 08:07.47 | Xamien | stow? |
| 08:07.53 | bucky | Xamien, apt-get install checkinstall |
| 08:07.55 | PerfDave | Xamien: Compile it into /usr/local, for starters. /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 08:08.10 | bucky | it will make a deb automatically |
| 08:08.34 | TBBle | In fact, /usr/local/cedega/ for example. And link the binaries into /usr/local/bin/ |
| 08:08.49 | chealer | is Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide by Machtelt Garrels included in either doc-linux-{text,html} or doc-linux-nonfree-{text,html}? |
| 08:08.52 | Xamien | so basically it would do the compiling and everything, then put it all straight into .deb file for me? |
| 08:08.54 | bucky | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && make && checkinstall make install |
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| 08:09.14 | Caeies[taff] | k bye all |
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| 08:09.34 | bucky | Xamien, checkinstall will |
| 08:10.20 | jetscreamer | kde 3.4 .debs |
| 08:10.39 | jetscreamer | isn't checkinstall redhat? |
| 08:10.47 | rob^ | bbs |
| 08:10.49 | jetscreamer | where are kde 3.4 .debs |
| 08:11.30 | bucky | jetscreamer, the one in the sarge repository is set up for debs |
| 08:11.57 | bucky | it was actually a slackware app i think at first |
| 08:12.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 08:14.08 | PerfDave | bucky: You'll be telling us that Slackware has package management next... ;) |
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| 08:14.20 | muhoo__ | hmm. if i kill myself, is that OK? |
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| 08:14.34 | Xamien | muhoo, probably. |
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| 08:14.38 | muhoo__ | cool. |
| 08:14.55 | lamba2k5 | wot do the 3 states of the check boxes in xconfig mean? ( "." , " " and the tick mark) |
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| 08:15.28 | muhoo__ | for 6 months, i've waited for a kernel that supports my sound chip, *and* doesn't crash at APM resume, *and* doesn't fuck up my keyboard after resume. finally i found it in 2.6.11.5 |
| 08:15.56 | muhoo__ | and.... the ps/2 mouse driver is broken, such that mouse click events don't come through. |
| 08:16.30 | Xamien | The moral of the kernel story: you suck at life. :) |
| 08:16.35 | muhoo__ | i do indeed. |
| 08:16.43 | TBBle | muhoo__: You got what you wanted in six months of kernel-waiting? Lucky SOB. |
| 08:16.47 | muhoo__ | heh |
| 08:17.16 | muhoo__ | well, i wasn't specific enough in what i wanted, i suppose. |
| 08:17.21 | Xamien | Yeah, I'm with him on that one |
| 08:17.50 | Xamien | Quick, start wanting better documentation on voodoo3 support! |
| 08:17.55 | TBBle | I just crossed the twelve-month mark on WPA for Prism54, and I decided it was easier to teach myself IPSec instead. |
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| 08:18.11 | PerfDave | WPA is crap compared to IPSec anyway :) |
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| 08:18.18 | bucky | PerfDave, i don't know why but some guy used the old 'installwatch utility' to make rpm's on his slackware box.. and called it checkinstall... that's what i get out of it |
| 08:18.20 | bucky | http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
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| 08:18.49 | muhoo__ | bizarre thing: mouse x-y updates work just fine. it's only the clicks that are fubar |
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| 08:19.14 | muhoo__ | TBBle: openvpn, dude |
| 08:19.22 | Mini_tuna | do all the debian packages have checksums? |
| 08:19.45 | Xamien | man checkinstall |
| 08:19.49 | PerfDave | muhoo__: Use a USB mouse? :) |
| 08:19.50 | Xamien | .....d'oh! |
| 08:20.02 | TBBle | muhoo__: Does that work with windows as well, over wireless? |
| 08:20.20 | PerfDave | TBBle: Windows IPSec implementations are shit beyond belief :/ |
| 08:20.24 | TBBle | 'cause I had a look at PPTP and was disappointed by it's security weakness. |
| 08:20.43 | TBBle | That doesn't worry me. In production, it'll be our equipment at both ends. |
| 08:21.06 | muhoo__ | TBBle: yes |
| 08:21.09 | TBBle | But I do want to keep people from sniffing or injecting rubbish, or getting online. |
| 08:21.12 | Xamien | checkinstall apparently comes with an -option to build a slackware package |
| 08:21.32 | muhoo__ | PerfDave: my single USB port is taken up by a little USB lamp |
| 08:23.07 | muhoo__ | and, the IR port on this thing is on the *left* side of it... and i'm a righty |
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| 08:23.18 | muhoo__ | IR'd be sweet |
| 08:23.36 | TBBle | Oh, OpenVPN doesn't do RADIUS... |
| 08:23.56 | rixth | configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first (I have installed libglib-2.0-dev and libglib-2.0-0) I'm trying to compile xmms. |
| 08:24.01 | PerfDave | muhoo__: Bluetooth? :) |
| 08:24.03 | rixth | Any hints/help? |
| 08:24.12 | PerfDave | rixth: Why are you trying to compile xmms? |
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| 08:24.23 | MobyTurbo | rixth: xmms is a gtk1 program, not gtk2 |
| 08:24.35 | PerfDave | rixth: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 08:24.47 | jm_ | rixht;hint is apt-get install xmms |
| 08:24.50 | muhoo__ | PerfDave: not on a 1999-vintage laptop |
| 08:25.03 | TBBle | rixth: glib2 is not glib1 (>1.2). |
| 08:25.40 | PerfDave | muhoo__: Get a USB hub then ;) |
| 08:25.41 | muhoo__ | naw, i gotta hack this to get it to work, and as a last resort try to get some USB hub thing going |
| 08:26.29 | PerfDave | muhoo__: I'm surprised your lamp doesn't just have USB pass-through. You may be able to replace it with one that does. |
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| 08:27.20 | muhoo__ | i'll look around. it's a very simple device |
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| 08:27.37 | muhoo__ | but it makes no sense why mouseclick events woudln't go thru |
| 08:27.58 | muhoo__ | it's a ps/2 device. the built-in trackpad is sending ps/2 events. |
| 08:28.07 | muhoo__ | i may have my XF86Config misconfigured |
| 08:28.14 | PerfDave | muhoo__: *shrug* I dunno. It's a 2.6 kernel, they're weird ;) |
| 08:28.18 | muhoo__ | and my error didn't show up until now |
| 08:29.11 | Xamien | I've got 2.6.10 running on my laptop and it runs pretty damned good. Although I can't tell if the slowness is because of my ram having fits over the kde stuff |
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| 08:29.32 | jm_ | Use ExplorerPS/2 as mouse type with 2.6 kernel, as per 2.6 Input FAQ |
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| 08:30.33 | PerfDave | Xamien: top? :) |
| 08:30.37 | PerfDave | Xamien: How much RAM have you got? |
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| 08:32.18 | Xamien | 128M, sadly |
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| 08:32.46 | bucky | that's not really enough for kde |
| 08:32.56 | Xamien | it's an HP Pavilion N5250 that my stepfather gave me. |
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| 08:33.05 | Xamien | I can add more ram, just can't afford to right now |
| 08:33.07 | bucky | you got a swap partition |
| 08:33.11 | Xamien | Yup |
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| 08:33.34 | Xamien | I installed fluxbox on it and I run from it instead but things are still a bit sluggish |
| 08:33.47 | Xamien | this is a SimplyMepis3.3 install that I did on my laptop, btw. |
| 08:33.50 | muhoo__ | jm_: thanks! |
| 08:34.18 | jm_ | muhoo__: no worries |
| 08:34.22 | Garp | Question: I'm trying to install sarge. I downloaded the files for a disk boot (vmlinux, initrd.img, etc.) The installer starts. But it odesnt ask me for network access (I want a network install) but instead ask for some fancy "ISO" I of course dont have... Any idea ? |
| 08:34.43 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: who would name a distro after a two-year-old's bathroom request? |
| 08:34.54 | Garp | On woody, the installer was asking for network connexion and averything was fine |
| 08:34.55 | Xamien | lol |
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| 08:35.23 | MerlinCorey | Xamien: #mepis ;) |
| 08:35.34 | Xamien | Garp, you'll need to place the iso on the disk, too |
| 08:35.39 | bodq | hello |
| 08:35.51 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 08:35.57 | Xamien | Merlin, smartass :p You know those people don't talk in there, hardly ever |
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| 08:36.11 | Garp | Xamien : hooww.... |
| 08:36.12 | bodq | netinstall fails with reasoning "can not install ppp", but on the mirror I see only access to Release file |
| 08:36.31 | rixth | sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' <-- right then. I've already tried make clean to no avail |
| 08:36.34 | c00l | how to change startx X manager? when i type startx it starts gnome, but i want to start kde |
| 08:36.38 | Garp | Xamien : so I need to download hundred of megs for a *network* ionsrtall ? that used not to be the case :( |
| 08:36.42 | bodq | it worked yesterday, by the way |
| 08:36.55 | bucky | Garp, is there a reason you're not using the sarge net install iso ? |
| 08:37.11 | Garp | bucky : because an ISO requiere a CD, no ? |
| 08:37.13 | Xamien | thank you, bucky, exactly what I was gonna say, lol |
| 08:37.22 | Xamien | No, it doesn't |
| 08:37.27 | muhoo__ | jm_: though, i ran xxd on /dev/psaux, in runlevel 1, and i didn't see any click events |
| 08:37.39 | muhoo__ | i saw *double* click events tho |
| 08:37.40 | daffy-pkf | once again, just after an upgrade, my special keys (maj+something, altgr+something...) doesn't work anymore.... can someone help me? i'm running sid... |
| 08:37.41 | Garp | bucky : I have been used to download argiouynd 10Meg of stuff from network, bot on the disk and install... |
| 08:37.42 | Xamien | CD is simply the media ISO's are most frequently put on |
| 08:37.46 | bucky | Garp, there is a floppy install.. three floppies i think |
| 08:37.53 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: then maybe you should reflect upon if you want to run a distro that isn't well supported, rather than asking for help on #debian for mepis. |
| 08:37.55 | Putiikki | can i install unstable's packages in my testing debian? |
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| 08:38.05 | Garp | bucky : I'm doing an HD install. but it ask for fancy "ISO". |
| 08:38.09 | Xamien | ISO's are basically just complicated archive files |
| 08:38.21 | sh0rt | c00l, install gdm then you can pick |
| 08:38.38 | Xamien | mobyturbo: I wasn't asking for help, though, dude, was just discussing my laptop. |
| 08:38.39 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: no, ISOs are disk images. |
| 08:38.46 | Garp | Xamien: so the net install is not the same as for woody? And requiere this addiotional file ? I didnt saw it in the doc. Which file is it? How big is it ? Where can I find it ? Thanks. |
| 08:38.50 | jm_ | muhoo__: use /dev/input/mice with 2.6 |
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| 08:39.05 | MobyTurbo | !tell Garp about d-i |
| 08:39.17 | muhoo__ | thanks |
| 08:39.22 | Xamien | ISOs are USED as disk images, but they're still archive files. |
| 08:39.47 | Garp | Xamien: but wastes a lot of space! this is not compressed archives; |
| 08:39.53 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: there's a big difference between something like a tar archive and an ISO. |
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| 08:40.05 | sh0rt | Garp, install woody and dist-upgrade |
| 08:40.10 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: unless you think that "dd" is an archiver. |
| 08:40.12 | Xamien | same as there's a difference between tar, rar, and zip |
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| 08:40.43 | Garp | sh0rt: I cant, kernel too old |
| 08:40.53 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: isos are images of a iso 9660 file system. |
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| 08:41.10 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: file system images != archival files |
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| 08:41.32 | sh0rt | Garp, for your hardware? |
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| 08:41.52 | Garp | sh0rt: yes |
| 08:41.53 | MobyTurbo | s/a/an |
| 08:42.02 | Xamien | I've been able to open ISOs in archive programs before and pull stuff out of them |
| 08:42.02 | Garp | sh0rt: my ata100 HD is not seen at all |
| 08:42.16 | Garp | sh0rt: hard to install in such conditions |
| 08:42.19 | c00l | sh0rt how can i pick? |
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| 08:42.33 | MobyTurbo | Xamien: you can *mount* an ISO as a loop filesystem, but that doesn't make it an archive. |
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| 08:42.40 | Garp | Xamien: to open it, one must download it. |
| 08:42.57 | Garp | Xamien: a waste of 100Mb of dfownload for nothing :( |
| 08:43.09 | daffy-pkf | Xamien> tar is just an archive, rar zip and other are ALSO archives, but with compression, and like MobyTurbo said, iso and others are filesystems |
| 08:43.14 | Xamien | dude, just download the sarge netinstall, ok? |
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| 08:43.27 | Garp | I dont understand such a policy. I used to be able to install a debian with less than 10Mb of initial download |
| 08:43.34 | Xamien | moby, ok, I see what you mean, sorry |
| 08:43.35 | Garp | Xamien: I try. |
| 08:44.26 | MobyTurbo | Garp: there are small netinstall images that are about 20MB IIRC. You *can* install woody and dist-upgrade to sarge. See /msg dpkg woody->sarge for details. |
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| 08:44.36 | Xamien | either burn a disc with it and boot from it, or put the ISO on the drive, the installer will be able to find it. |
| 08:44.45 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I cannot install woody |
| 08:45.02 | inu | c00l, zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/xsession.gz # might help |
| 08:45.04 | MobyTurbo | Garp: then you need Sarge. RC3 just was released a couple of days ago. :-) |
| 08:45.06 | jetscreamer | Garp, you probably don't want to anyway |
| 08:45.21 | Garp | jetscreamer: I used to doi that and dist-upgrade |
| 08:45.22 | bucky | MobyTurbo, the installer he has now doesn't see his ata100 contoller.. do you think the bf24 would see it? |
| 08:45.36 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 08:45.52 | jetscreamer | i'd even shell out and edit the sources.list while installing |
| 08:45.53 | MobyTurbo | bucky: is he using bf24? |
| 08:46.17 | bucky | i don't think so.. but he didn't say what he was using |
| 08:46.44 | jetscreamer | Garp, there are floppy installs |
| 08:46.53 | daffy-pkf | can someone tell me why my combination keys (shift, ctrl, alt, alt-gr) doesn't work anymore since the last upgrade? (sid) |
| 08:47.17 | Garp | jetscreamer: ... |
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| 08:47.49 | MobyTurbo | Garp: there are two different sized netinstall images, one of them is more of a size you'd like, but in order to use it you'll need to get the network working (i.e. not PPP which is installed after boot) |
| 08:48.09 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 08:48.15 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I HAVE that. |
| 08:48.27 | Garp | MobyTurbo: (i mean network) |
| 08:48.42 | Garp | MobyTurbo: can you tell me where to look please ? |
| 08:48.58 | MobyTurbo | !tell Garp about d-i |
| 08:49.00 | c00l | inu no, no help so far.. seems to be easy, just edit sume file, but don't know what file |
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| 08:49.25 | jetscreamer | uh.... that link doesn't have anything installer related, don't go there |
| 08:49.30 | jetscreamer | nonono! |
| 08:49.33 | inu | c00l, uhh it tells you right at the start, copy the example and edit as needed |
| 08:49.35 | Garp | MobyTurbo: i saw http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/rc2/images/powerpc/netboot/ <- but will this not *again* ask me for a stupid "ISO" ? |
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| 08:50.19 | MobyTurbo | Garp: I don't have any experience trying to install Debian from a hard drive. |
| 08:50.28 | bucky | where do you download the stupid.iso ? |
| 08:50.29 | MobyTurbo | Garp: or Power PC. |
| 08:50.54 | Garp | bucky: I dont know |
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| 08:50.56 | jetscreamer | http://stupid.org/stupidisodownloads/ i think |
| 08:50.59 | Xamien | bucky: at the us.gov website, apparently |
| 08:51.00 | MobyTurbo | Garp: do you not have a CD burner? |
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| 08:51.17 | muhoo__ | huh. very cool. i like the 2.6 input subsystem |
| 08:51.29 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I dont have time/will for this. |
| 08:51.30 | muhoo__ | /proc/bus/input/devices everything in one place |
| 08:51.43 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I dont have software for burnig first |
| 08:51.45 | muhoo__ | and presumably i can jack with my mouse settings without having to restart x |
| 08:51.58 | MobyTurbo | Garp: if you don't have the time to figure out how to burn a CD, then Debian is not for you. |
| 08:52.01 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I neither want to |
| 08:52.11 | Garp | MobyTurbo: useful |
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| 08:52.14 | muhoo__ | where is the best place to find a good tutorial on this 2.6 input subsystem and how it works? |
| 08:52.39 | bucky | i still like installing from the "stupid" install floppies |
| 08:53.09 | Garp | MobyTurbo: I dont want to replace a ligh and esay method by this old fashion one |
| 08:53.19 | Garp | bucky: no floopy there |
| 08:53.29 | MobyTurbo | Garp: burning CDs is "old fashioned"?! |
| 08:53.32 | bucky | maybe that could be the name of our next stable release... stupid |
| 08:53.39 | Garp | MobyTurbo: of course |
| 08:53.41 | bucky | stupid went stable |
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| 08:54.04 | Xamien | good gods, I turn 21 in June and I'm getting called old-fashioned! |
| 08:54.22 | bucky | ham slink potato woody sarge stupid |
| 08:54.31 | Xamien | stupid is never stable, you know better bucky ;) |
| 08:54.42 | sussudio | !etch |
| 08:54.42 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 08:54.47 | Garp | (kernel panic on the rc2 :( |
| 08:54.57 | bucky | i should stop hoping they'll make one just for me ;) |
| 08:55.15 | Xamien | garp: you have a cd-drive, right? |
| 08:55.26 | Garp | Xamien: I do |
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| 08:55.44 | sussudio | in now pronounce Xamien and Garp husband a wife. |
| 08:55.46 | sussudio | by the power invested in me by the fluffy bunnies. |
| 08:55.57 | Xamien | Then just go buy your self an installation/livecd |
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| 08:56.14 | Xamien | sudo rm sussudio -r |
| 08:56.19 | Xamien | :p |
| 08:56.19 | bucky | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/powerpc/rc3/sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 08:56.34 | sussudio | Xamien: badger |
| 08:56.49 | bucky | !badger Xamien |
| 08:56.50 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 08:57.08 | Xamien | ? badger? |
| 08:57.23 | bucky | !dict badger |
| 08:57.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'badger' (1 of 5): Badger dog. (Zo["o]l.) See Dachshund.. |
| 08:57.30 | Mini_tuna | anyone want some wine =) |
| 08:57.34 | Garp | Xamien: I just fucked up my installation (last night) I had 3 hours to reinstall my system before having to leave to se my parents. I used to have a very simple method to install debian on my system. A link to a modified woody kernel that worked on mly system seems now dead. So I have to switch to sarge. Sarge installer seems not to work. |
| 08:58.01 | Garp | Xamien : I dont jhave time for "go buy anything" |
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| 08:58.38 | bucky | things are always changing... if you find something that works it's a good idea to keep a backup |
| 08:59.19 | Garp | Xamien: my network connexcion nis rather slow; "ISO" is just a waste of time |
| 08:59.30 | Xamien | Try working for nearly three days compiling, configuring, and what-have-you to build a system from scratch only to have it completely erased by a stupid mistake you made... then I'll sympathize. |
| 08:59.51 | Xamien | shoulda followed the BSU rule *facepalm* |
| 09:00.02 | Garp | Xamien: my system wasnt just 3 days old |
| 09:00.05 | Garp | unfortunatly |
| 09:00.19 | Garp | I have backups for my data, of course. But not ofr the system confid |
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| 09:05.37 | jerome | Anyone using vsftpd/ssl ever had timeouts problems with some given clients (say this crappy flashfxp prgm) ? It seems vsftpd never close sessions when initiated from this client, so ps aux | grep vsftpd | wc -l returns something like 148 after one day |
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| 09:06.07 | tuxy17 | how to know wich module is used for an ethernet card (that works with debian generic kernel) ? |
| 09:06.52 | jerome | tuxy17: dmesg | grep ethX |
| 09:07.19 | jerome | X being your eth card number |
| 09:07.38 | tuxy17 | jerome, no |
| 09:07.53 | jerome | ? |
| 09:08.03 | tuxy17 | it doesnt give anything about what i asked for |
| 09:08.04 | bob2 | yes, that is how you tell |
| 09:08.07 | bob2 | I'm sorry you disagree |
| 09:08.18 | bob2 | tuxy17: no, there's no way to find what the module name is, you need to apply your brain to the problem |
| 09:09.04 | Garp | I'm trying rc3 installer: teh installer looks for an ISO on the disk, and then complain "No installer ISO found ... You'll have to do a network install instead, or reboot ..." <= looks like network install is possible. But I dont see how to reach it, any idea ? Thanks. |
| 09:09.29 | tuxy17 | that is unbelieveable. On freebsd there is always a link between interface and kernel module |
| 09:09.33 | jerome | tuxy17: what's the first word on the line returned by dmesg | grep ethX |
| 09:09.35 | jerome | ? |
| 09:09.48 | bob2 | tuxy17: you're not using a kernel module |
| 09:09.52 | tuxy17 | jerome, no. Not for pcmcia cards at least |
| 09:09.55 | bob2 | sorry linux is designed the way you like |
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| 09:11.08 | tuxy17 | googles works better than my linux kernel for informations about an already working device ... :/ |
| 09:11.19 | bob2 | blah |
| 09:11.23 | bob2 | send a patch if you care |
| 09:11.36 | bob2 | or just let hotplug handle it like everyone else does |
| 09:11.37 | bodq | tuxy17: lspci ? |
| 09:12.04 | jim | tuxy17: but google won't directly act as a device driver |
| 09:12.19 | bucky | google's not unix ! |
| 09:12.20 | jim | might tell you where and possibly how to find one |
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| 09:13.29 | mufa | where could I find debian installation cd with kernel 2.6? |
| 09:13.36 | bob2 | mufa: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 09:13.49 | mufa | bob2 thank you |
| 09:13.49 | c00l | Why i get libGLcore.a no symbols found.. something like that? |
| 09:14.17 | bob2 | because you're using the nvidia binary only drivers, right? |
| 09:14.27 | c00l | and Warning: font renderer for... already.. |
| 09:14.39 | c00l | bob2 the videoboard is trident =( |
| 09:14.43 | tuxy17 | bodq, pcmcia wifi card :/ |
| 09:14.44 | bob2 | ouch |
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| 09:15.45 | c00l | bob2 any suggestions? |
| 09:15.56 | bob2 | no |
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| 09:16.18 | c00l | i'll try to use XFree86 --configure |
| 09:16.24 | bob2 | how would that help? |
| 09:16.44 | muhoo__ | gah, fuck it. snd_nm256 is still hanging my kernel |
| 09:17.06 | Xamien | wtf... months after I last messed with winex, they now make it difficult as hell to tell what the hell I'm supposed to download, argh |
| 09:17.07 | muhoo__ | so, sorry 2.6.11.5, you're still useless |
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| 09:17.37 | sh0rt | tuxy17, lsmod |
| 09:17.40 | petykoo | hi |
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| 09:19.00 | bucky | sheesh i was going to offer to loan him my sb live value |
| 09:19.02 | sanmarcos | how could I add a script to my init ? (so it executes at start, shutdown, reboot,) ? |
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| 09:19.41 | bob2 | sanmarcos: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 09:21.22 | sanmarcos | bob2: thanks |
| 09:21.28 | Growly | Hello everyone! |
| 09:21.56 | Growly | Everyone: How do I enable PCMCIA support within the kernel tree without recompiling the kernel? |
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| 09:22.22 | bob2 | use a Debian kernel |
| 09:23.11 | Growly | ... I am using a debian kernel - how do you mean? |
| 09:23.22 | bob2 | then install the pcmcia module package |
| 09:23.24 | bob2 | and you're all set |
| 09:23.34 | bob2 | assuming you're not using a crap old kernel like 2.4.28-bf2.4 |
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| 09:24.00 | Growly | I have 2.6.8, straight install from the testing release as of last week |
| 09:24.29 | bob2 | cool |
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| 09:24.34 | bob2 | then you should have pcmcia support |
| 09:25.06 | Growly | Oh. Then i must have this completely wrong. |
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| 09:25.35 | Growly | I have a Ricoh PCI -> PCMCIA adapter, and a Senao card in it - how do I see which cards are attached? |
| 09:25.58 | bodq | tuxy17: then lspcmcia :))))) |
| 09:26.21 | bob2 | Growly: does "dmesg" say anything? |
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| 09:27.32 | Growly | Possibly: |
| 09:27.32 | Growly | Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:0c.0 [14ef:0101] |
| 09:27.32 | Growly | Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0000, PCI irq 11 |
| 09:27.33 | Growly | Socket status: 30000810 |
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| 09:27.45 | Growly | yeah it says that ^^ |
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| 09:29.16 | rossi | sry guys I want to install this theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21014 anyone could help me a bit qwery me pls |
| 09:29.24 | bob2 | #debian-kde |
| 09:29.35 | rossi | kk |
| 09:29.49 | Growly | bob2: alright, so it knows my adapter's there... no how do i list pcmcia? lspcmcia? |
| 09:30.02 | bob2 | dunno |
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| 09:30.12 | Growly | oh ok |
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| 09:31.32 | sh0rt | does anyone know how to force my cd drive to unmount? |
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| 09:32.12 | todolmundo | Hello everyone. |
| 09:32.20 | humanications | good question, got the same problem here |
| 09:32.34 | todolmundo | try umount /dev/hdc |
| 09:32.48 | todolmundo | Of course, you have to be root. |
| 09:32.56 | bucky | cd out of it first |
| 09:32.59 | todolmundo | If that fails, try umount /dev/hdd |
| 09:33.12 | humanications | busy by some process, but dunno which one |
| 09:33.20 | bob2 | then find out |
| 09:33.27 | bob2 | lsof | grep /mnt/cdrom |
| 09:33.31 | bob2 | or wherever it's mounted |
| 09:33.37 | humanications | got nothing runnning |
| 09:33.44 | todolmundo | Close any windows which refer to cd |
| 09:33.44 | sh0rt | nup partimage is the prob but it has finished reading it |
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| 09:34.05 | todolmundo | But you still can have a window showing the cd contents. |
| 09:34.19 | sh0rt | from a terminal no x |
| 09:34.31 | todolmundo | I have a question of my own. |
| 09:34.32 | hettar | sh0rt: do you have famd running ? |
| 09:35.05 | sh0rt | hettar from rescue cd, dunno if its running |
| 09:35.11 | todolmundo | How can I listen to midis in Firefox? |
| 09:35.33 | sh0rt | funny thing is, with knoppix I can unmount it |
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| 09:35.43 | poonj | anyone here use cups? |
| 09:35.49 | hettar | oh. I don't know if you can unmount it then. |
| 09:35.50 | todolmundo | Knoppix makes everything. :-) |
| 09:35.52 | jm_ | yes |
| 09:35.53 | hettar | poonj: yeah I do. |
| 09:35.55 | poonj | I'm trying to print to a windows computer thats sharing a printer |
| 09:35.55 | netbug | Help, my /var/lib/dpkg/status file corrupted, How can I fix it? |
| 09:35.59 | HelmutG | hi. where to finde people who know the icon programming language? |
| 09:36.03 | jm_ | netbug: from backup |
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| 09:36.05 | poonj | I believe I have it setup correctly... |
| 09:36.10 | poonj | but nothing goes to the printer |
| 09:36.24 | todolmundo | Do you use cups? |
| 09:36.24 | poonj | anyone here have suggestions? |
| 09:36.26 | poonj | yeah |
| 09:36.31 | poonj | I'm trying to atelast |
| 09:36.49 | todolmundo | Go to Cups page and reinstall your printer. |
| 09:36.51 | Growly | need. pcmcia. |
| 09:37.03 | todolmundo | Can anyone help me with Firefox? |
| 09:37.18 | poonj | reinstall printer? |
| 09:37.21 | poonj | what? |
| 09:37.40 | jerome | damn, vsftpd pkg has not been updated for a while. Despite it contains 3 importants fixes ... |
| 09:37.41 | todolmundo | In cups you can uninstall your printer, and then install it again. |
| 09:37.48 | poonj | yes.. |
| 09:37.51 | poonj | that isn't the problem |
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| 09:38.03 | poonj | I belive it has to do with connectivity |
| 09:38.07 | poonj | nothing goes to the other printe.r.. |
| 09:38.11 | poonj | do I use |
| 09:38.18 | poonj | smb://computername/printer ? |
| 09:38.24 | poonj | what about login/passwd? |
| 09:38.45 | Growly | Everyone: Where can I find my PCMCIA configuration settings? Cardmgr isn't installed (and I don't know how to install it), and there's nothing in /etc/pcmcia, nor is there a /etc/pcmcia |
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| 09:40.07 | bob2 | Growly: do you have pcmcia-cs installed? |
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| 09:41.13 | Growly | bob2: I tried, but it wanted pcmcia support in the kernel tree |
| 09:41.19 | Growly | which it said required recompilation |
| 09:41.29 | Growly | which I don't want to do :( |
| 09:41.39 | Growly | bob2: short answer: no |
| 09:41.55 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:41.56 | bob2 | install it |
| 09:42.05 | bob2 | from the description it sounds like you have to have it |
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| 09:43.23 | Growly | 2.5.0 and later kernels require that PCMCIA be configured in the kernel source tree. To fix, reconfigure and rebuild your kernel with PCMCIA enabled. |
| 09:43.40 | Growly | it tells me that, and errors :( |
| 09:43.56 | Putiikki | how can i see how big directory is? (including files in that directory) |
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| 09:44.10 | bob2 | Putiikki: du -sh /dir |
| 09:44.16 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 09:44.23 | bob2 | verified by visa is stupid |
| 09:46.01 | bob2 | Growly: there's no kernel-pcmcia-modules package for your kernel? |
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| 09:46.59 | Growly | bob2: They all seem to be for 2.4.xx kernels |
| 09:48.31 | sanmarcos | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/local/bin/inadyn < Why when I do that, it doesnt create a pid file in /var/run ? |
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| 09:50.30 | bob2 | humanications: please turn that off |
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| 09:51.55 | humanications | sorry |
| 09:51.56 | jerome | d'oh, the last vsftpd update is 2005 July, 11th |
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| 09:52.00 | jerome | 200'* |
| 09:52.03 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 09:52.03 | jerome | 4 |
| 09:52.04 | bob2 | in the future? |
| 09:52.04 | jerome | damnit |
| 09:52.06 | bob2 | ah |
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| 09:52.22 | jerome | I guess I have to build my own |
| 09:52.22 | lakcaj | Are there any "very" active debian forums? I would like to read the questions/responses that people have specific to debian. |
| 09:52.44 | jerome | lakcaj: check the mailing lists then |
| 09:52.45 | bob2 | no |
| 09:52.47 | jm_ | lakcaj: debian-user archives |
| 09:52.51 | bob2 | Debian uses mailing lists |
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| 09:52.58 | ArchitectSinan | Where do i learn the differences between Woody 3.0r2 and 3.0r4 ? |
| 09:52.59 | bob2 | which are available on gmane |
| 09:53.09 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: there's not much, just security fixes |
| 09:53.23 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: if you install 3.0r2, run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade", you have r4 |
| 09:53.27 | jerome | great, 2.0.3 compiled just fine. |
| 09:53.28 | bob2 | humanications: we don't care |
| 09:53.32 | bucky | lakcaj, http://lists.debian.org/users.html |
| 09:53.34 | ArchitectSinan | bob2:thanks so much bob2 |
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| 09:53.39 | debian | what was the channel to freenode staff again? |
| 09:53.45 | bob2 | debian: #freenode |
| 09:53.49 | debian | bob2: tanks |
| 09:53.50 | lakcaj | Thanks... I'll take a look at the mailing list. |
| 09:53.51 | bob2 | or maybe ##freenode, these days |
| 09:53.51 | debian | thanks |
| 09:53.55 | humanications | how does /dev/dsp get created |
| 09:54.05 | sanmarcos | mkdev |
| 09:54.08 | raboof | so, anyone else who has firefox segfaulting on startup? (seems to be a `relocation error'/undefined symbol NS_NewUnionEnumerator, whatever that means) |
| 09:54.16 | lakcaj | humanications, apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 09:54.36 | bob2 | raboof: did you install it from outside Debian? |
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| 09:54.42 | humanications | doesn't create the devices, modules are loaded ok |
| 09:54.44 | raboof | bob2: nope, from unstable |
| 09:54.49 | raboof | (and running unstable) |
| 09:54.52 | bob2 | raboof: did you ever install it from source? |
| 09:54.57 | Phated | There was a bugreport, wasn't there? |
| 09:55.18 | raboof | bob2: not afaicr |
| 09:55.25 | bob2 | raboof: hm, ok |
| 09:55.27 | raboof | (also, it worked fine a few days back) |
| 09:55.29 | bob2 | raboof: nothing in the BTS? |
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| 09:56.07 | raboof | i don't have a sufficiently specific idea of what the problem is to be able to search the bts properly now ;) |
| 09:56.17 | bob2 | sure you can |
| 09:56.23 | bob2 | go to the mozilla-firefox ubg page |
| 09:56.31 | bob2 | and look at the < 10 "grave" bug reports |
| 09:56.52 | debian | bob2: thanks for your help in #freenode, but if they don't voice me where may I file a hacking alert? |
| 09:56.59 | daffy-pkf | please can someone help, i already had this problem before but can't remember how to fix it: i just did a dist-upgrade (sid) and now when i'm under X my ctrl, alt, shift, alt-gr keys don't act properly. for example i need to use the capslock for making 'A', i can't switch to a console since ctrl-alt-Fx can't work... and a lot of special chars i can't do |
| 09:57.10 | daffy-pkf | please help me... |
| 09:57.23 | bob2 | debian: I'll paste it if you want |
| 09:57.47 | debian | bob2: thanks. I paste it in #flood. It's not long |
| 09:57.54 | tosh| | any way of doing a sanity check of an entered ipaddress in bash? |
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| 09:58.39 | aimaz | daffy-pkf, does it still do it after you restart x? |
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| 09:58.45 | DeadMan | hi all |
| 09:58.48 | daffy-pkf | aimaz> yes |
| 09:59.09 | daffy-pkf | actually i did the upgrade yesterday |
| 09:59.34 | DeadMan | there is a program that you give it a date and it will return what importants facts happed in that day.. but i cant remember the name of this program.. anyone knows ? |
| 10:00.18 | bob2 | calendar |
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| 10:01.29 | DeadMan | thanks. |
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| 10:01.49 | daffy-pkf | raaaaaaaa why do i always get troubles when i'm motivated to work ? ? ? |
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| 10:02.37 | yalu | hello smart guys. does anyone know a good open source program to edit subtitles? something "professional" |
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| 10:04.25 | daffy-pkf | what do you mean by "professionnal", a subtitle is only some text on an image, nothing wonderfull.. any video editing program should do that i think |
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| 10:08.41 | daffy-pkf | the worst is that it already happened to me before, but i can't remember how i fixed it... and i don't find it back on the web |
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| 10:09.21 | Growly | what syntax is used to tell tar to extract to a certain directory? |
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| 10:09.52 | dondelelcaro | Growly: use the -C option |
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| 10:10.09 | bob2 | hm, that seems like overkill |
| 10:10.16 | bob2 | (cd blah ; tar ... ; popd) |
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| 10:10.56 | maw_ | gcc irc.s -o IRC |
| 10:10.56 | maw_ | /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog collect2: ld returnerede afslutningskoden 1 |
| 10:11.06 | maw_ | what am i missing? |
| 10:11.35 | bob2 | it'd be awesome if you showed us the english error |
| 10:11.39 | bob2 | and/or installed build-essential |
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| 10:11.48 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 10:11.51 | maw_ | no such file :D |
| 10:12.00 | maw_ | ld returned 1 |
| 10:12.15 | bob2 | 20:11:35 bob2 | it'd be awesome if you showed us the english error |
| 10:12.15 | bob2 | 20:11:40 bob2 | and/or installed build-essential |
| 10:12.16 | Growly | dondelelcaro: Cheers |
| 10:12.34 | tomski | Hi, the package kopete won't unpack (unstable). apt aoutput tells that it is trying to overwrite x-icq.desktp which is also in the package sim. Then dpkg returns error code 1. Any suggestions? |
| 10:12.37 | ArchitectSinan | My debian 3.0r2 box openin in Xwindow by default. I want to turn it off, i want to see bash only. How can do this ? |
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| 10:12.58 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:13.07 | bob2 | tomski: using only packages in Debian? |
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| 10:13.18 | ArchitectSinan | thanks again bob2 |
| 10:13.18 | tomski | bob2, yes |
| 10:13.24 | bob2 | paulswm: hah, 16, actually, irssi hasn't been restarted since daylight savings ended |
| 10:13.25 | maw_ | is gcc 4.0 prerelease in apt? |
| 10:13.31 | bob2 | tomski: file a bug on kopete |
| 10:13.41 | bob2 | maw_: that won't help you fix your problem |
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| 10:13.41 | valentinos | how safe is to use reiserFS for a debian desktop (sarge) |
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| 10:13.56 | maw_ | bob2, no, but i like to experiment with it |
| 10:14.00 | tomski | bob2, ok. |
| 10:14.05 | bob2 | maw_: did you fix it yet? |
| 10:14.28 | maw_ | yeah |
| 10:14.29 | JohnnyST | Hi is there some way to limit the max download speed from an apache server? |
| 10:14.31 | maw_ | thx |
| 10:14.33 | paulswm | !reiserfs |
| 10:14.34 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 10:14.48 | bob2 | JohnnyST: mod_throttle, perhaps |
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| 10:15.28 | JohnnyST | bob2, I have tried the it seemes to only be possible to limit the ammmount of data not speed in real time. |
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| 10:16.08 | JohnnyST | bob2, /s I have tried the mod_throttle |
| 10:16.16 | bob2 | throttling speeds is pretty hard |
| 10:16.30 | bob2 | you could use the kernel shaping stuff if you really care |
| 10:16.30 | JohnnyST | I guess so.. |
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| 10:16.38 | bob2 | what are you trying to acheive? |
| 10:16.55 | JohnnyST | I want to limit an apache site to 500K/s thats it. |
| 10:17.10 | bob2 | haha, a virtual host? |
| 10:18.04 | JohnnyST | bob2, virtual host or anything I thet conefiguration of apache dose not matter just that I can limit it to 500K/s. |
| 10:18.26 | SpamHog | "Someone is confused here" |
| 10:18.32 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:18.40 | SpamHog | What the heck is a BOOT SECTOR? |
| 10:18.52 | SpamHog | too many folks confuse it with a BOOT RECORD |
| 10:19.00 | SpamHog | or are the two the same??? |
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| 10:19.32 | SpamHog | I.e. if I want to backum a GRUB or other boot apparatus, |
| 10:19.50 | SpamHog | do I have to b.u. a full sector? |
| 10:19.50 | bob2 | don't bother backing it up |
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| 10:20.23 | SpamHog | bob2 |
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| 10:20.47 | SpamHog | bob2: it's not indispensible, but I don't like mucking with grub... |
| 10:20.56 | bob2 | ? |
| 10:21.00 | bob2 | what are you trying to acheieve? |
| 10:21.11 | SpamHog | do you know where "stage 1.5" or whatever is hidden? |
| 10:21.13 | jm_ | it's trivial to reinstall boot loader |
| 10:21.23 | jm_ | it's where the GRUB docs say it is |
| 10:21.47 | valdyn | SpamHog: i guess you would have to backup /boot/grub/* and dd if=/dev/hdx of=mbr bs=512 count=1, but theres no point in that really |
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| 10:22.08 | Burning | hey all |
| 10:22.48 | SpamHog | folks, here's the mess (pls corrct me): 60% of docs on web say MBR=boot sector |
| 10:23.15 | SpamHog | however... boot sector is supposed to contain other stuff like GAG or GRUB code |
| 10:23.24 | SpamHog | obviously impossible... |
| 10:23.33 | SpamHog | what gives? |
| 10:23.33 | Burning | lost me there |
| 10:23.35 | darkskiez | SpamHog, why impossible? |
| 10:24.03 | valdyn | SpamHog: your boot sector or mbr cannot contain all that, only the starting code |
| 10:24.07 | SpamHog | 512 bytes for everything including up to 10 graphic icons in the case of GAG for example |
| 10:24.12 | linuxfreck | SpamHog:in x86, the first sector of the harddisk contains the master boot record (mbr) and the partition table |
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| 10:24.37 | SpamHog | linuxfreck: again : sector or record??? |
| 10:24.38 | darkskiez | SpamHog, MBR/partiton table is on sector 0 of the disk, but each partiton can have a boot sector. |
| 10:24.43 | linuxfreck | SpamHog: and you have only pointers to some more code in the mbr nowadays |
| 10:24.59 | Burning | so anyone here fel like helping a newbie? |
| 10:25.05 | Burning | feel even |
| 10:25.17 | linuxfreck | SpamHog: record, sector is the name for 512 byte blocks on the harddisk |
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| 10:25.20 | SpamHog | Burning: would that be you or me?? |
| 10:25.23 | SpamHog | :) |
| 10:25.32 | valdyn | SpamHog: im not a native english speaker, though: record = Data, sector = physical place, it doesnt matter how you refer to it.. |
| 10:25.32 | Burning | me definitely |
| 10:26.06 | jm_ | spamg;you don't understand how things work, stop blaming others |
| 10:26.14 | SpamHog | But how can the thing contain a lot of stuff like Grub stage 1.5 or the GAG paraphernalia?? |
| 10:26.21 | Burning | i have to learn to use *nix in a week or fail this assignment |
| 10:26.23 | valdyn | SpamHog: it doesnt |
| 10:26.24 | SpamHog | let's help Burning first... go ahead |
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| 10:26.32 | Burning | happy easter everyone btw |
| 10:26.37 | valdyn | SpamHog: it has a pointer to the file |
| 10:26.39 | aimaz | I have written a patch for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272221 does anyone know what I should do with it to get it into debian unstable release? |
| 10:27.04 | djw | is it possible to remove the "+" at the start of line wraped lines in mutt |
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| 10:27.27 | Burning | i'm in no rush, just are there any websites i should read in particualr to get a good overview? |
| 10:27.39 | jm_ | djw: yes, man muttrc |
| 10:27.43 | valdyn | SpamHog: i *think*, move away your /boot/grub/stage*, move it back ( so its physical place changes ), then your boot manager wont load |
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| 10:27.55 | linuxfreck | aimaz: talk to the package maintainer |
| 10:27.55 | bob2 | aimaz: have you followed up to the bug report yet? |
| 10:28.10 | SpamHog | Burning: about what? |
| 10:28.18 | aimaz | bob2, no, I've only just noticed that it was a bug |
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| 10:28.31 | djw | jm_: good stuff, I didn't fancy going on a quest of look to ever get there ;) |
| 10:28.36 | Burning | SpamHog: about GCC, GDB and that sort of area |
| 10:28.36 | karsten | Burning: What do you need to know for your assignment? |
| 10:28.52 | jm_ | djw: it's a good reference for all the config options |
| 10:29.04 | bob2 | aimaz: follow up to the bug report with your patch is the first step |
| 10:29.05 | karsten | Burning: "learning Linux" is sort of a lot to chew. Identifying the specific elements you need to get a handle on is a lot more practical. |
| 10:29.08 | maw_ | isn't mplayer in apt? |
| 10:29.16 | aimaz | bob2, how do I do that? |
| 10:29.20 | bob2 | maw_: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 10:29.40 | bob2 | aimaz: just write an email to 272221@bugs.debian.org and it will go both to the BTS and to the maintainer |
| 10:29.40 | djw | jm_: seems like one of the more useful manpages |
| 10:29.56 | aimaz | bob2, ok, thanks |
| 10:30.02 | maw_ | thx bob2 |
| 10:30.10 | aimaz | bob2, should I include a diff in that email? |
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| 10:30.19 | SpamHog | valdyn: u see my point, MBR points elsewhere, but not necessarily files on the normal FS |
| 10:30.21 | bob2 | aimaz: the diff that fixes it? sure. |
| 10:30.24 | karsten | Burning: I take it this is a programming assignment, and you have to use the GNU toolchain? |
| 10:30.24 | aimaz | ok |
| 10:30.38 | bob2 | aimaz: just write "hi, I just noticed this bug too, here's a patch I made which should fix it..." or whatever |
| 10:30.47 | SpamHog | GAG surely puts no files onboard at all... so where's all the junque? |
| 10:30.50 | aimaz | bob2, ok, thanks |
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| 10:31.12 | Burning | I need to debug a program where i have to 'defuse' each stage by entering strings that are able to be found either by looking at the c code, or debugging it. I have installed debian linux (after much RTFM) but i don't really know how to use it. So my first task is to learn to use it (so a simple link to a tutorial would be sweet) and my second is to learn to use the development tools. |
| 10:31.28 | valdyn | SpamHog: yea, could be anywhere, even a cdrom |
| 10:31.35 | karsten | Burning: There's an O'Reilly book, _Programming with GNU Software_ which probably covers most of what you need to know. |
| 10:31.54 | valdyn | SpamHog: or uh, whatever can be accessed with those few available instructions |
| 10:31.58 | Burning | karsten: does it cost money? :P |
| 10:31.59 | zork | hello. anyone know firehol? I cannot start it because I receive an errore by iptables...thanks. |
| 10:32.07 | bob2 | Burning: "defuse"? |
| 10:32.12 | bob2 | Burning: you're cracking something? |
| 10:32.23 | Burning | bob2: the lecturer all this assignment 'the bomb' |
| 10:32.29 | Burning | called* |
| 10:32.39 | bob2 | hah |
| 10:32.41 | karsten | Burning: Probably. You could nick it. |
| 10:32.44 | Burning | wow i missed 3 letters in that word :P |
| 10:32.48 | karsten | Burning: ...or check it out from a library. |
| 10:33.05 | Burning | karsten: i'll look for it |
| 10:33.28 | SpamHog | valdyn: docs I read make zero sense... I'd love to find out the lay of the land, think I saw smwhr a seference to boot sector = recods 0-63 but could not find it anywhere. |
| 10:33.32 | bob2 | harsh assignment if they haven't taught you how to even use a debugger |
| 10:33.44 | bob2 | tho gdb does sort of work the way you'd expect |
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| 10:34.10 | karsten | Burning: http://www.tldp.org/ is another good place to start. You can apt-get install most of these. |
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| 10:34.20 | Burning | bob2: well they pretty much said GDB is the debugger, learn to use it. here's a couple of commands to try |
| 10:34.24 | karsten | Burning: ...HOWTOs. There's several geared at new users. You want to learn basic shell commands. |
| 10:34.26 | bob2 | hah |
| 10:34.34 | karsten | Burning: ...and run vimtutor a few times. |
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| 10:34.49 | karsten | Burning: school or job? |
| 10:34.53 | c00l | what package i need to reconfigure to re-set the default window manager? |
| 10:34.56 | SpamHog | I also think I read that backup is a matter of "dd bs=512 count=64 ....." but we're talking about risking hosing the FS if aim isn't perfect! |
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| 10:35.03 | karsten | Burning: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565921127/ |
| 10:35.04 | Burning | karsten: uni, so school i guess |
| 10:35.09 | bob2 | SpamHog: it's completely not worth backing up |
| 10:35.22 | karsten | c00l: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 10:35.23 | Burning | ta for the link |
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| 10:36.03 | SpamHog | :( |
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| 10:36.48 | Burning | thanks for the help guys, have a great easter |
| 10:37.01 | c00l | karsten is this command change gnome to kde? |
| 10:37.04 | netbug | :~~( |
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| 10:37.09 | karsten | Burning: Also: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/prognu |
| 10:37.17 | c00l | karsten when type startx |
| 10:37.32 | karsten | c00l: What's listed? |
| 10:37.33 | nagual | 'Mr President, I´m 65 years old now, do you think I´m old enough to decide for myself wether i want to smoke a joint or not?' |
| 10:37.37 | nagual | err, sorry, wrong chan |
| 10:37.44 | karsten | nagual: Heh. |
| 10:37.50 | bob2 | haha, amen |
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| 10:38.03 | nagual | quote from Robert anton Wilson |
| 10:38.05 | c00l | karsten metacity and kwin |
| 10:38.46 | karsten | Burning: Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html |
| 10:38.59 | karsten | c00l: OK. Then that's not it. |
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| 10:39.22 | c00l | karsten so... what's next? |
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| 10:39.38 | bob2 | this Fabio mix is pretty awesome |
| 10:39.44 | karsten | c00l: Try 'x-session-manager' |
| 10:39.45 | bob2 | pity it's all unlabeld |
| 10:40.40 | karsten | c00l: That's your ticket. |
| 10:40.55 | karsten | bob2: *Please* don't tell me you just said that. |
| 10:40.57 | c00l | karsten tks man |
| 10:41.22 | sussudio | bob2: tried cantus? |
| 10:41.47 | bob2 | karsten: Fabio the dj, not the most beautiful man in the world. |
| 10:42.05 | karsten | Burning: Might also want to see the Linux Programmer's Guide: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lpg/index.html |
| 10:42.13 | bob2 | sussudio: what is it? |
| 10:42.16 | karsten | bob2: Uh huh? And I believe you why? |
| 10:42.38 | sussudio | !info cantus |
| 10:42.40 | dpkg | cantus: (Gnome tool to mass-rename/tag mp3 and ogg files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.07-2 (sid), Packaged size: 291 kB, Installed size: 1056 kB |
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| 10:42.46 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:42.48 | dondelelcaro | bob2: which fabio? |
| 10:42.49 | sussudio | bob2: does freedb lookups |
| 10:42.55 | bob2 | sussudio: hmmm |
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| 10:43.08 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: the one who seems to live with grooverider |
| 10:43.15 | Burning | ta karsten |
| 10:43.27 | bob2 | karsten: because I'd never lie to you! |
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| 10:44.14 | karsten | bob2: Or with. |
| 10:44.15 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ah... |
| 10:44.35 | karsten | Burning: NP. |
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| 10:45.07 | c00l | how to add language pack for kde/gnome? |
| 10:45.10 | phigsparc | hi guys |
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| 10:45.39 | karsten | c00l: run 'aptitude', find appropriate langauge localization package. Install it. |
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| 10:46.17 | bob2 | ah, gtk 1 goodness |
| 10:46.31 | faelle | someone tell me how i can change my display resolution and colours in debian |
| 10:46.32 | phigsparc | don't suppose anyone's configured X on a sparc20 with debian? |
| 10:46.36 | faelle | i have like 16 colours |
| 10:46.48 | karsten | faelle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:46.52 | faelle | and a ugly 640x480 resolution |
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| 10:47.03 | karsten | faelle: Set your color depth > 4 |
| 10:47.16 | phigsparc | I tried both suncg14 and suncg6 drivers, neither worked |
| 10:47.18 | bob2 | phigsparc: #sparc might have |
| 10:47.23 | karsten | faelle: 15, 16, 24, or 32 will be improvements. |
| 10:48.06 | faelle | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:48.13 | faelle | i type that in terminal ? |
| 10:48.31 | timmeh | whats the command so i can run a application in the background? so it dosent stop when i close putty? |
| 10:48.33 | karsten | faelle: Chiseling it in granite has more permanence, but less utility. |
| 10:48.45 | karsten | timmeh: nohup |
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| 10:48.50 | karsten | timmeh: Or screen. |
| 10:48.55 | faelle | karsten: bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 10:48.55 | faelle | :/ |
| 10:49.05 | timmeh | ok thanx =) |
| 10:49.07 | karsten | faelle: As root |
| 10:49.11 | faelle | ah |
| 10:49.22 | karsten | faelle: choo |
| 10:49.27 | karsten | faelle: Gezundheit! |
| 10:49.49 | faelle | sorry :p |
| 10:50.22 | faelle | ahem but i am unsure of what type of card it is |
| 10:50.43 | faelle | cant it auto detect ? |
| 10:50.54 | karsten | faelle: In another terminal: 'lspci'. I think. Not entirely sure of sparc HW. |
| 10:51.07 | bob2 | sparc20's don't use pci, afaik |
| 10:51.12 | bob2 | in't that s-bus land? |
| 10:51.16 | karsten | faelle: Possibly. Checking the bot. |
| 10:51.23 | karsten | bob2: Thanks. |
| 10:51.23 | karsten | faelle: ^^ |
| 10:51.37 | karsten | bob2: Dunno. I missed the sparc bus. |
| 10:51.43 | karsten | !tell faelle about set up x |
| 10:51.46 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 10:51.53 | karsten | faelle: ...what the bot just told you, try that. |
| 10:51.55 | bob2 | you're a quick one |
| 10:52.06 | paulswm | Very good, karsten |
| 10:52.17 | karsten | bob2: No. If I was quick, I'd have caught it. |
| 10:52.26 | faelle | karsten: : thanks :) |
| 10:52.33 | karsten | paulswm: Greets. |
| 10:52.46 | bob2 | ZING |
| 10:52.47 | karsten | faelle: Just so long as you don't realize it's the blind leading the blind... |
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| 10:52.51 | paulswm | karsten: Hi, good to see you |
| 10:53.12 | karsten | paulswm: You're a rare person these days.... |
| 10:53.23 | giansalvo | hi all |
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| 10:53.48 | timmeh | karsten /home/ventrilo/ventrilo_srv nohup correct? |
| 10:53.54 | timmeh | as an example |
| 10:53.59 | paulswm | karsten: Been busy and also had memory probs with one of my home boxes, solved by replacing the cheapass memory with Mushkin |
| 10:54.04 | giansalvo | what's the debian-way to launch an application in startx (xinitrc) |
| 10:54.15 | karsten | timmeh: Um. 'nohup <command>' |
| 10:54.20 | faelle | some kind of error code.. |
| 10:54.24 | timmeh | ok thanx |
| 10:54.26 | faelle | let me paste to a pastebin |
| 10:54.30 | gritche | IDENTIFY |
| 10:54.30 | bob2 | giansalvo: ~/.xsession |
| 10:54.31 | karsten | timmeh: You're probably going to find that screen's a lot more nifty. What command(s) are you running? |
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| 10:54.45 | bob2 | gritche: NO |
| 10:55.00 | timmeh | atm i was doing /home/ventrilo/ventrilo_srv start & |
| 10:55.11 | timmeh | tho that still clsoed the program when i closed putty |
| 10:55.12 | karsten | paulswm: Gah. Memory problems. The kind where you can replace the bad memories is better than the kind where you can't. |
| 10:55.20 | giansalvo | bob2: ~/.xsession is for login manager, I start in terminal mode |
| 10:55.29 | bob2 | giansalvo: no |
| 10:55.34 | bob2 | startx uses it too |
| 10:55.45 | karsten | timmeh: What is ventrilo_srv? |
| 10:55.56 | timmeh | ventrilo is a chat program thats the server files |
| 10:56.00 | phigsparc | i was the one with the sparc, i didn't see the other dood mention it hehe |
| 10:56.08 | faelle | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/jhfaFZ31.html |
| 10:56.15 | karsten | timmeh: Does it have a server mode? |
| 10:56.16 | faelle | thats the error message :/ |
| 10:56.24 | giansalvo | bob2: ok. so what do I need to add to it to launch - let's say - xeyes |
| 10:56.28 | faelle | when i try to apt-get discover |
| 10:56.34 | karsten | faelle: Loading. |
| 10:56.38 | timmeh | well that is just hosting files |
| 10:56.43 | bob2 | giansalvo: xeyes& |
| 10:56.45 | timmeh | its not the client |
| 10:56.49 | faelle | apt-get install discover ie |
| 10:56.55 | SpamHog | Re. the MBR / bootsector thing: I found some of the crud! I dd'ed first 64 records, and less shows the GAG menu right into it. However, it also catches the beginning of MSWIN stuff. |
| 10:57.04 | karsten | paulswm: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.galeon.user/3504 |
| 10:57.11 | giansalvo | bob2: checking... |
| 10:57.38 | karsten | faelle: as root: dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:58.01 | timmeh | im not sure if that made sense |
| 10:58.03 | phigsparc | there's a video card detection package |
| 10:58.10 | phigsparc | i went through the whole package list tonight :) |
| 10:58.15 | phigsparc | but now I can't remember what its called |
| 10:58.19 | phigsparc | its not discover, somethin else |
| 10:58.20 | faelle | karsten: Same config.dat is locked by another process error |
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| 10:59.01 | yangxx | Is there any similar project for wasting idle CPU, like seti@home ? |
| 10:59.03 | karsten | timmeh: Run putty. Get a remote session. Type 'screen'. Hit <return> (or <enter>) to clear the message. Run your program. <ctrl>-a-d will detach. |
| 10:59.13 | faelle | yangxx: more than enough :p |
| 10:59.22 | karsten | faelle: You're running dpkg or apt in another process. Find out where and kill it. |
| 10:59.28 | karsten | yangxx: irc. |
| 10:59.34 | faelle | kk sec |
| 10:59.55 | karsten | yangxx: There's a molecule folding project. Several others. Google 'distributed computing linux' |
| 11:00.08 | yangxx | ok |
| 11:00.26 | phigsparc | wish you could search through the descriptions in dselect |
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| 11:00.39 | karsten | phigsparc: apt-cache search <pattern> |
| 11:00.43 | faelle | karsten: sorry i had it open, let me follow bot's instructions now |
| 11:00.55 | phigsparc | qoes |
| 11:00.56 | phigsparc | err |
| 11:00.57 | phigsparc | word |
| 11:01.02 | karsten | faelle: OK. NP. |
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| 11:01.28 | karsten | !tell phigsparc about enter |
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| 11:02.16 | paulswm | karsten: Very passionate argument. And not without wit. I like "I've been looking for sigfile fodder, and you're a goddamned gold mine." Priceless. |
| 11:02.38 | karsten | paulswm: But it's the *truth*. |
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| 11:02.49 | karsten | paulswm: ;-) |
| 11:02.49 | Growly | alright, 2.6 kernel compile: make mrproper, make menuconfig, make, make install, make clean, make modules-install - are those the right commands int he right order? |
| 11:02.56 | timmeh | debian:/# screen |
| 11:02.57 | timmeh | -bash: screen: command not found |
| 11:02.59 | paulswm | karsten: Yes, I understand! |
| 11:03.07 | bob2 | timmeh: then you need to install it |
| 11:03.07 | karsten | paulswm: But I pissed off much of the list with that. |
| 11:03.11 | timmeh | ok |
| 11:03.12 | karsten | timmeh: Install it. |
| 11:03.29 | paulswm | karsten: They'll grow up and get over it. |
| 11:03.39 | karsten | paulswm: I'd actually like him to just stop being so damned stupid. |
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| 11:04.02 | karsten | paulswm: I could care less if he believes/accepts my arguments, but at least don't answer stuff with bullshit. |
| 11:04.29 | Growly | anyone? |
| 11:04.41 | karsten | paulswm: He's the source of the gem that "Obviously it's not going to be trivial to run GNOME apps outside of GNOME" |
| 11:05.06 | bob2 | Growly: a) read the README, b) don't run make clean |
| 11:05.09 | karsten | !tell Growly about m-k |
| 11:05.19 | karsten | !tell Growly about make-kpkg |
| 11:05.19 | faelle | why cant there be a plug and play concept in linux :D |
| 11:05.28 | bob2 | there is |
| 11:05.31 | karsten | Growly: It's make mrproper, not 'clean'. |
| 11:05.34 | bob2 | for almost all hardware |
| 11:05.36 | paulswm | karsten: Can't remember if Jefferson said this, or who did, but it seems appropriate: "I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you an understanding." |
| 11:05.41 | karsten | faelle: There is. It's complicated though ;-) |
| 11:05.58 | karsten | faelle: "kudzu" IIRC and annaconda. |
| 11:06.11 | karsten | paulswm: Hrm. What does that mean? |
| 11:06.16 | gobert | Hello all, |
| 11:06.16 | gobert | i've burnt any months ago liveBSD! which boot correctly on my computer |
| 11:06.16 | gobert | One hour ago, i've burnt debien Sarge ia64 binary-i on 2 cd and the same net install cd with NERO SMART |
| 11:06.16 | gobert | Nonetheless, these cds doen't work :'( |
| 11:06.16 | gobert | Any idea ? |
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| 11:06.20 | bob2 | hotplug in Debian serves the same purpose |
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| 11:06.32 | karsten | paulswm: Ah. I've found you => I've provided you. |
| 11:06.36 | Growly | karsten: I'm scared of change, i like the manual way for now :) |
| 11:06.36 | amorphix | hi everyone |
| 11:06.38 | bob2 | kudzu is more or less useless |
| 11:06.52 | Growly | bob2: I've read the README - I had to run make clean last time because it gave me errors otherwise |
| 11:06.57 | timmeh | ok is there a way to screen a whole directory? |
| 11:06.58 | karsten | Growly: make-kpkg is much goodness. |
| 11:07.02 | timmeh | or multiple files? |
| 11:07.04 | karsten | bob2: OK. Wasn't sure of the relationship. |
| 11:07.07 | karsten | timmeh: ?? |
| 11:07.14 | timmeh | Unable to open configuration file 'ventrilo_srv.ini'. |
| 11:07.14 | timmeh | ERROR: Unable to read configuration data. Exiting. |
| 11:07.15 | amorphix | would it be possible for me to run X on a P166 with 64MB/4GB space? |
| 11:07.19 | timmeh | is that i get |
| 11:07.23 | karsten | timmeh: 'screen' is a terminal multiplexer. It doesn't operate on directories. |
| 11:07.24 | timmeh | when loading it in screen |
| 11:07.31 | bob2 | Growly: you don't need to make clean before installing the modules |
| 11:07.39 | karsten | timmeh: What are you typing? |
| 11:07.39 | bob2 | Growly: but make-kpkg is easier indeed... |
| 11:07.42 | bob2 | amorphix: sure |
| 11:07.47 | Growly | bob2: so.. it must've been after make! muahaha |
| 11:07.49 | bob2 | amorphix: X can run on palmtops with 4MB of ram |
| 11:07.52 | timmeh | /home/ventrilo/ventrilo_srv start |
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| 11:08.02 | karsten | paulswm: Yes, but how do you associate preferred programs for those MIME types? |
| 11:08.03 | bob2 | amorphix: gnome/kde will be annoyingly slow, tho |
| 11:08.05 | faelle | lspci gives me "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)" is 0000:01:00.0 my pci bus address ? |
| 11:08.05 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.15 | Growly | bob2 & karsten: it's 11pm, i'm not learning how to use make-kpkg now, but i'll do it tomorrow, thanks! |
| 11:08.16 | amorphix | bob2: ah thats what i was thinking of |
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| 11:08.29 | karsten | faelle: That's your graphics card. This is sparc? |
| 11:08.32 | nirz | nirz_ when i'm tring to "man" about some proggie i getting that error msg: sh: line 1: /usr/bin/pager: No such file or directory |
| 11:08.37 | amorphix | bob2: is there a frontend for X you can use that isnt very slow with an early CPU like P166? |
| 11:08.41 | takatumi | karsten: didn't know this was even possible. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg00319.html |
| 11:08.42 | karsten | Growly: OK. |
| 11:08.51 | bob2 | faelle: ignore the PCI bus id, leave it blank |
| 11:08.58 | bob2 | amorphix: xfce, fluxbox, etc |
| 11:08.59 | faelle | k |
| 11:09.10 | amorphix | bob2: cool thanks i will look into them |
| 11:09.14 | karsten | bob2: Even on sparc? |
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| 11:09.26 | faelle | i changed my resolution in the dpkg-reconfigure command but its still 640x480 :/ |
| 11:09.29 | bob2 | karsten: oh |
| 11:09.32 | karsten | takatumi: Heh. |
| 11:09.32 | faelle | will i hjave to reboot ? |
| 11:09.33 | bob2 | ok, I'll shut up |
| 11:09.37 | bob2 | faelle: no |
| 11:09.51 | timmeh | karsten i typed /home/ventrilo/ventrilo_srv start |
| 11:09.59 | faelle | bob2: why cant i notice the change then ? |
| 11:10.07 | karsten | bob2: I know that PCI bus spec is necessary on some arches. Not x86. But not sure where it is. |
| 11:10.12 | phigsparc | how do you tell what packages a packages suggests/recommends? |
| 11:10.19 | karsten | faelle: Sec. Context.... |
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| 11:10.41 | faelle | k take your time |
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| 11:10.47 | bob2 | phigsparc: apt-cache show blah |
| 11:10.52 | karsten | timmeh: OK. How do you usually run that? As your normal user, as root? |
| 11:10.54 | dmesg | faelle: restart X server |
| 11:11.02 | timmeh | as root |
| 11:11.10 | timmeh | i login as root |
| 11:11.14 | karsten | faelle: No, but you need to restart your X server |
| 11:11.19 | karsten | timmeh: OK. That's odd. |
| 11:11.30 | phigsparc | what goes in blah? |
| 11:11.37 | karsten | timmeh: ...and you are or aren't running screen? |
| 11:11.51 | phigsparc | tells me unable to locate the package i ive it |
| 11:11.56 | faelle | k that means ill have to quit this |
| 11:11.58 | faelle | brb |
| 11:12.00 | timmeh | i type screen then what i showed you before |
| 11:12.04 | karsten | phigsparc: The name of the package. |
| 11:12.16 | timmeh | and it has a error that it cant read the ventrilo_srv.ini |
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| 11:12.26 | karsten | bob2: Sorry, faelle isn't doing sparc, phigsparc is. I think.... |
| 11:12.33 | phigsparc | W: Unable to locate package x-window-server |
| 11:12.43 | karsten | bob2: Um No, they both are. |
| 11:12.50 | faelle | karsten: do i have to quit X and come back for changes to reflect ? |
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| 11:12.55 | karsten | phigsparc: xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:13.08 | phigsparc | ahhh |
| 11:13.11 | karsten | faelle: Yes. |
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| 11:13.16 | karsten | faelle: Run you IRC session in screen. It will persist across X restarts. |
| 11:13.21 | faelle | brb guys |
| 11:13.26 | faelle | karsten: nice idea ;) |
| 11:13.28 | phigsparc | mdetect, there it is |
| 11:13.29 | karsten | faelle: s/you/your |
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| 11:14.13 | robhu | Could someone please please help me setup my box to it does NAT from eth0 to eth1? |
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| 11:14.24 | voidstar | hi, i've a problem installing gcj unstable (3.3.5-1): it tells me that my gcc/g++ are not 3.3.5 |
| 11:14.25 | faelle | will you all laugh if i say i cant find the logout/quit option in X to drop me to console .... |
| 11:14.31 | voidstar | but i've installed: |
| 11:14.41 | voidstar | g++-3.3 -12 |
| 11:14.44 | voidstar | g++-3.0 3.0.2-1 |
| 11:14.47 | faelle | got it |
| 11:14.48 | voidstar | g++-2.95 2.95.4-0.01100 |
| 11:14.49 | faelle | brb |
| 11:14.52 | voidstar | g++ 2.95.4-8 |
| 11:14.57 | karsten | faelle: <ctrl><alt><backspace> |
| 11:14.58 | phigsparc | robhu: you can usually google for "ipchains/iptables nat howto" (which is what I always do cause I never remember how) |
| 11:15.00 | voidstar | what's the problem? |
| 11:15.42 | karsten | !tell robhu about nat |
| 11:15.42 | voidstar | maybe the problem is g++ = 2.95.4-8 ?? |
| 11:15.42 | robhu | phigsparc: I've tried some of the scripts but it isnt working hence me coming here to irc :) I did RTFM first! |
| 11:15.46 | phigsparc | what do you use? ipchains or iptables? |
| 11:15.52 | robhu | iptables |
| 11:15.53 | voidstar | please help me :( |
| 11:15.57 | maw_ | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:15.58 | maw_ | :( |
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| 11:16.20 | k-dog_ | robhu: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 11:16.21 | phigsparc | i haven't switched to iptables yet, or i'd give you mine. |
| 11:16.29 | robhu | 1 |
| 11:16.35 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.48 | karsten | robhu: ...should be a 1 or 0. If it's 1, NAT is enabled. |
| 11:16.51 | robhu | It's 1 |
| 11:16.53 | robhu | Yeah |
| 11:17.00 | robhu | I think ma ybe I need some iptables rules? |
| 11:17.01 | robhu | I have some... |
| 11:17.06 | karsten | robhu: OK. Then you need to edit your iptables rules per TFM. |
| 11:17.13 | robhu | I have: |
| 11:17.16 | robhu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.16 | robhu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.22 | robhu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.42 | phigsparc | i dunno iptables but isn't that making eth1 the outside interface? |
| 11:17.49 | darkskiez | what are the practical differences between MASQUERADE and DNAT ? |
| 11:17.53 | robhu | eth1 is the outside interface |
| 11:17.57 | robhu | eth0 is the inside interface |
| 11:17.57 | phigsparc | ok |
| 11:18.07 | jm_ | DNAT is not the same as MASQ, SNAT is similar |
| 11:18.07 | robhu | Yah... I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong :~ |
| 11:18.15 | darkskiez | jm_, aye that |
| 11:18.16 | robhu | heh - that was meant to be :| damn Mac keyboards :) |
| 11:18.33 | darkskiez | what are the practical differences between MASQUERADE and SNAT ? |
| 11:18.49 | karsten | robhu: And it does or doesn't work like that? |
| 11:18.56 | robhu | karsten: Nope |
| 11:19.05 | robhu | karsten: I'm not really sure how to diagnose the problem either |
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| 11:19.30 | phigsparc | oh s |
| 11:19.35 | phigsparc | damn that was for mouse |
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| 11:19.42 | jm_ | darkskiez: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 11:19.46 | robhu | karsten: I have a Mac here, and I'm setting the router (gateway) address on the Mac to the internal IP of the DEbian/Ubuntu box. I can ping that IP and SSH to it (as I am now to be on IRC), but nothing is working :| |
| 11:19.48 | karsten | robhu: /join #flood |
| 11:20.00 | robhu | jm_: I'll look at that |
| 11:20.33 | karsten | robhu: Alternatively, shorewall is a pretty sane and easy firewall config template. |
| 11:20.37 | darkskiez | jm_, i've read it but not found out anthing solid |
| 11:20.49 | jm_ | darkskiez: that document explains the difference between the two |
| 11:20.54 | karsten | robhu: /join #flood |
| 11:21.05 | robhu | karsten: Err... no... |
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| 11:21.29 | will_cat | one question |
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| 11:21.52 | will_cat | i want to reconfigure x-window-system because i update S3savage driver |
| 11:22.02 | karsten | robhu: whatever. |
| 11:22.10 | konrad127123 | When I run a command from the command line, is there an easy way to pipe the output to stdout and to a file? |
| 11:22.32 | karsten | konrad127123: man tee |
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| 11:22.43 | konrad127123 | will_cat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 11:22.45 | will_cat | how can i do to run the application in text mode, the same as the debian installation? |
| 11:22.45 | toresbe | konrad127123: Hmm, there's supposed to be a One True Way... |
| 11:22.55 | toresbe | konrad127123: but I usually do job >> file & tail -f file |
| 11:23.13 | toresbe | hmm |
| 11:23.24 | will_cat | konrad127123 i try this, i want to see the application that debian installer uses |
| 11:23.26 | toresbe | tee is faaaaar more convenient, though |
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| 11:23.34 | toresbe | karsten: thanks for the tip :) |
| 11:23.55 | karsten | toresbe: NP ;-) |
| 11:24.02 | konrad127123 | Thanks |
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| 11:24.38 | paulswm | Ddraig16 |
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| 11:30.11 | voidstar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:30.16 | voidstar | but i've installed: |
| 11:30.20 | voidstar | g++-3.3 |
| 11:30.24 | voidstar | g++-3.0 |
| 11:30.28 | voidstar | g++-2.95 |
| 11:30.37 | voidstar | and |
| 11:30.40 | voidstar | g++_2.95 |
| 11:30.54 | voidstar | maybe the problem is g++_2.95 ?? |
| 11:31.18 | voidstar | anybody can help me? |
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| 11:32.03 | voidstar | anybody using gcj? |
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| 11:33.47 | jm_ | voidstar: well if it says they aren't ... |
| 11:33.57 | voidstar | yes but |
| 11:34.08 | voidstar | i've installed the right packages |
| 11:34.10 | jhair | no but... check the gcj dependencies |
| 11:34.23 | voidstar | yes |
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| 11:34.29 | jhair | or the bts in case is a bug |
| 11:34.43 | Penix | !ops ZoMBi is a spambot |
| 11:34.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ZoMBi is a spambot |
| 11:34.58 | voidstar | gcj_3.3.5-1_i386.deb depends from g++-3.3_3.3.5-12_i386.deb |
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| 11:35.11 | voidstar | but if i install it |
| 11:35.15 | Paloseco | hi |
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| 11:35.33 | voidstar | and then gcj, it gives me the error |
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| 11:35.46 | voidstar | jhair: "the bts in case is a bug" <= what do you mean? |
| 11:35.51 | Paloseco | does anybody know about a good howto for connecting to internet with a external 56k serial modem? |
| 11:36.56 | jm_ | Paloseco: that usually involves ppp |
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| 11:37.19 | Growly | I really should learn how to make-kpkg, all this manual compiling is getting crappy. Not to mention I now have one very instable machine! |
| 11:37.20 | konrad127123 | Paloseco: try running 'apt-get install pppconfig' as root, it's fairly easy to use |
| 11:37.36 | Paloseco | jm_ yeah, i am about to connect, lights flash but finally stops |
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| 11:37.40 | phigsparc | anyone used PoPToP or whatever debian package? |
| 11:37.48 | Paloseco | i have already pppconfig and ran it |
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| 11:38.08 | voidstar | dependence is : cpp (4:3.3.5-1) that is cpp_3.3.5-1_i386.deb |
| 11:38.17 | voidstar | but when I install that package |
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| 11:38.30 | voidstar | i obtain gcc_2.95.4-8 |
| 11:38.39 | konrad127123 | Paloseco: Have you checked all the cables are plugged in properly? |
| 11:38.43 | voidstar | how can be possible?? :(( |
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| 11:39.11 | jm_ | Paloseco: depending on what you use to connect, use debug option for pppd and possibly verbose mode for chat |
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| 11:39.48 | PerfDave | voidstar: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 11:40.03 | Paloseco | konrad127123: yeah, it works perfect under winxp, and the box says that is linux compatible (is a conceptronic IC+56k) but therein are no info neither in the manual nor into the CD drivers, i supposse it uses standard commands |
| 11:40.04 | voidstar | sorry, what do you mean with BTS? |
| 11:40.08 | PerfDave | !btssmite voidstar |
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| 11:40.20 | karsten | Growly: Thought you might come 'round. |
| 11:41.07 | Paloseco | jm_ i did tail -f /var/log/syslog and got an output, would you like to have a look? |
| 11:41.27 | jm_ | Paloseco: put it somewhere on the web I guess (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 11:41.47 | Paloseco | dpkg is a bot? |
| 11:42.26 | Paloseco | ok, wait |
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| 11:42.34 | inu | paloseco, in my experience saying linux compatible on the box doesn't mean it is actually linux compatible (as far as modems go) :/ |
| 11:43.13 | zamolxes | what operations are most intensive on the floating point unit in the cpu? |
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| 11:43.18 | Paloseco | inu i have been told that all external serial modem alsays work, not as usb o winmodem |
| 11:43.45 | karsten | zamolxes: Generally, crypto. |
| 11:43.47 | jm_ | Paloseco: that means: use "/msg dpkg paste" command in IRC client to get info about putting your log excerpt online |
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| 11:44.01 | Paloseco | i would upload it to a webpage |
| 11:44.02 | bob2 | crypto doesn't use the FPU |
| 11:44.07 | inu | paloseco, experience tells me that anyone who says they 'always' work is wrong ;) |
| 11:44.14 | bob2 | afaik all crypto algorithms use integer maths |
| 11:44.23 | PerfDave | !tell voidstar -about msg |
| 11:44.25 | karsten | zamolxes: ssl support is compiled to specific arches. SSH performance varies quite highly across arches. |
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| 11:46.13 | MobyTurbo | karsten: I don't believe that Debian compiles openssl arch-specific. |
| 11:46.23 | Paloseco | the file was uploaded to www.iespana.es/thenumberone/log/ppp.log |
| 11:46.30 | zamolxes | i see. thank |
| 11:46.31 | zamolxes | s |
| 11:46.38 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Easy enough to check |
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| 11:47.27 | MobyTurbo | karsten: my explorings with apt-cache indicate this is the case. |
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| 11:48.15 | Paloseco | jm_ are you going to check the log? |
| 11:48.16 | amorphix | will gimp run with xfce? |
| 11:48.25 | karsten | MobyTurbo: What is arch-specific then? |
| 11:48.25 | daffy-pkf | well well, still having keyboard problems, but i found this in X0rg.0.log: "(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap", i found a lot of things about this on google, but non of the solutions works... can someone help please? |
| 11:48.49 | saloxin | Paloseco: modem is ok. you have trouble authenticating |
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| 11:48.57 | saloxin | doublecheck passwd? |
| 11:48.59 | amorphix | theres no mention on Gimp page of what desktops it supports |
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| 11:49.10 | MobyTurbo | karsten: the kernel. glibc is also offered, with incompatability warning, in an arch-specific version too. |
| 11:49.14 | jm_ | Paloseco: have you pasted it on the site? I don't see a message from paster |
| 11:49.23 | Paloseco | saloxin i have added #auth because i was said i had not to authenticate |
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| 11:49.30 | karsten | MobyTurbo: alsa, lm-sensors.... |
| 11:49.41 | Paloseco | jm_ go to #flood |
| 11:49.47 | Paloseco | or www.iespana.es/thenumberone/log/ppp.log |
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| 11:49.53 | jm_ | Paloseco: can't right now, I am working |
| 11:50.01 | Paloseco | ok ok, thanks |
| 11:50.02 | MobyTurbo | karsten: alsa is kernel modules, so it has to be arch-specific in order to match the appropriate arch-specific kernel. |
| 11:50.27 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Yeah, I'm grepping *_Packages files. |
| 11:50.34 | AidanJT | hey, a friend needs tcl 8.4, hes rented a remote dedicated server, however apt only has tcl 8.3 in its package list, his kernel name is 2.4.20-020stab009.18.777 (don't know the version of debian hoping this is an indication), is there any way of getting this version of debian to install 8.4? |
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| 11:50.53 | jm_ | Paloseco: looks like your authentication is screwed, you need to find out what your ISP requires and then configure it appropriately |
| 11:51.07 | MobyTurbo | karsten: just use apt-cache search and apt-cache show. :-) |
| 11:51.15 | nlany | how to write stdout to a file and display it at the same time? (dont use tail -f ) |
| 11:51.21 | jm_ | nlany: tee |
| 11:51.21 | Paloseco | jm_ ok, i will check it thanks for your time |
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| 11:51.42 | jm_ | Paloseco: I don't think I have any logs of me successfuly using pppd handy to compare it |
| 11:51.50 | Thomas_Anderson | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.53 | karsten | nlany: tee |
| 11:52.15 | Paloseco | would be a good help, but sure you have not the same provider as me :p |
| 11:52.17 | TELECO_ | me puedes guiar un poco |
| 11:52.23 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 11:52.30 | jm_ | yes, but you can still compare stuff |
| 11:52.35 | Paloseco | teleco_ speak english |
| 11:52.56 | amorphix | gimp + xfce. possible? |
| 11:53.29 | saloxin | amorphix: yes |
| 11:53.35 | amorphix | thx |
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| 11:54.41 | jm_ | Thomas_Anderson: RFC1413 doesn't specify version as a valid query |
| 11:55.39 | usn | hi folx |
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| 11:56.56 | d | Hi! |
| 11:57.14 | d | Anyone know how to run/compile a gambas program? |
| 11:57.30 | d | I've got gambas installed already |
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| 11:59.34 | slept | apt-get install told me Segmentation faulty Tree ??? |
| 12:00.14 | bob2 | check your ram |
| 12:00.38 | slept | how do i do that ? |
| 12:00.42 | d | Anyone ever used gambas at all? kinda like VB I think, but for QT |
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| 12:01.53 | sjmorgan | is there any way to "rebuild" the list of available packages? mine seems to contain a bunch of old custom built kernels that were removed a long time ago |
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| 12:03.06 | karsten | sjmorgan: Prolly in your status file. |
| 12:03.41 | HansKaiser | hi |
| 12:03.57 | sjmorgan | wheres that? |
| 12:04.34 | Pappa | hi guys |
| 12:04.43 | karsten | sjmorgan: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:04.48 | Pappa | i would like my urxvt to start in ~ whenever i run it |
| 12:04.57 | Pappa | instead, it starts in ~/Downloads |
| 12:05.01 | sjmorgan | can i just delete it and it'll get rebuilt? |
| 12:05.01 | bob2 | sjmorgan: just leave it |
| 12:05.02 | Pappa | which is slightly annoying |
| 12:05.13 | jm_ | sjmorgan: do not delete it |
| 12:05.25 | karsten | Pappa: You started your X session in ~/Downloads. |
| 12:05.30 | sjmorgan | ok |
| 12:05.34 | karsten | sjmorgan: No. |
| 12:05.40 | karsten | sjmorgan: But check there to see if you find 'em. |
| 12:05.42 | sjmorgan | so is there any way to get rid of all the old non-existing packages? |
| 12:05.54 | Pappa | ok.. |
| 12:06.00 | karsten | sjmorgan: FYI, you've also got backups in /var/backups. |
| 12:06.13 | sjmorgan | yeah they're in the status file |
| 12:06.21 | sjmorgan | and it's plaintext so i guess i can delete them by hand? |
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| 12:07.15 | acollins | does anyone know which environment variables to set for openoffice autohinting? |
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| 12:07.27 | rixth | I've got a difficult question. I'm mounting /dev/hda6 like this: mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/media. When I go to /mnt/media (as non-root) all the files/directories appear as the piece of paper with the Gnome foot and when I right click on one, it disspears. BUT if I start nautilus as root, I can goto /mnt/media and access everything normally. How can I make it so non-root users can read /mnt/media? |
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| 12:07.41 | acollins | I keep seeing references to "Support for controlling autohinting using environment vars (closes: #189088)" |
| 12:07.55 | acollins | on google, but mention of what the settings actually are :-) |
| 12:07.56 | bob2 | acollins: did you look that bug up in the BTS? |
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| 12:08.00 | acollins | yes |
| 12:08.05 | jm_ | rixth: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 12:08.28 | jm_ | rixth: use that as a help, but change it for read-only as opposed to rw |
| 12:10.34 | slept | bob2 : I don´t have the memtest package installed and I only can ssh to that machine it's a server is there an other way to check the memory ? |
| 12:10.48 | bob2 | no |
| 12:10.50 | rixth | jm_ I want to be able to write to it though |
| 12:11.03 | jm_ | rixth: then use the hint there directly |
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| 12:12.09 | Pappa | removing the flash plugin really makes galeon-based browsers more stable |
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| 12:12.19 | Pappa | err |
| 12:12.21 | Pappa | gecko* |
| 12:12.40 | bob2 | acollins: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=189088&msg=13&att=2 |
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| 12:12.52 | bob2 | Pappa: hah, yeah, I noticed that too |
| 12:13.13 | jm_ | really? I can easily have my browser running for more than a month with flash plugin |
| 12:13.26 | bob2 | crashes every day or so for me with it |
| 12:13.29 | bob2 | stays up for weeks without |
| 12:13.38 | bob2 | god I love suspend on my laptop |
| 12:13.46 | acollins | bob2: great! Thanks! |
| 12:14.01 | takatumi | I used to have trouble with the flash plugin, tried firefox with its own plugin and it is seems to work fine now. |
| 12:14.09 | bob2 | acollins: it was in the email he forwarded, but the BTS politely declined to inline the html portion |
| 12:14.13 | markybob | it's own plugin? |
| 12:14.35 | oleth | Hi. I have installed gcc and lib6dev on debian. How do I install the man pages of the functions? |
| 12:14.48 | bob2 | manpages-dev |
| 12:14.53 | bob2 | (in the FAQ) |
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| 12:16.16 | takatumi | markybob: hmm, I do have "flashplugin-nonfree 7.0.25-5 " and "libflash-mozplugin 0.4.11-3" installed but I do remember clicking get plug-in from within firefox. (am I dreaming?) |
| 12:16.20 | acollins | bob2: worked a treat! :-) thanks again |
| 12:16.46 | bob2 | acollins: np |
| 12:17.04 | markybob | takatumi, no. what you're dreaming about is that it's a /firefox/ specific plugin. all the browser does is easy download/installation from macromedia servers. it's the same plugin you can get from macromedia's website. |
| 12:17.35 | bob2 | might be a different version or something |
| 12:17.42 | takatumi | markybob: so the debian packages are not needed? |
| 12:17.47 | bob2 | or maybe firefox wraps it differently or something |
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| 12:17.57 | bob2 | since I think the segfaults ceom from subtle ABI changes |
| 12:18.25 | markybob | takatumi, if you downloaded from within firefox, then no, the debian packages arent needed to use flash within firefox |
| 12:18.51 | takatumi | anyway it works fine now, probably shouldn't tweak anything..hehe |
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| 12:20.19 | scorpix | is there any .deb for Nvu? |
| 12:20.23 | zmz | can you help me ? only click here and close after open, thank you, only stupid pool http://www.expres.sk/?action=37&returnURL=Lz9hY3Rpb249MzUmcGFnZT00JnBvZGxhPWhsYXNvdg== |
| 12:21.00 | markybob | scorpix, not in debian. dont know if someone's made an unofficial somewhere |
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| 12:21.36 | sh0rt | scorpix, you can run the ubuntu? one with out any probs |
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| 12:22.08 | markybob | scorpix, you should've googled. http://maya.ba.issia.cnr.it/frankie/debian/ |
| 12:22.29 | scorpix | this i for hoary? |
| 12:22.43 | markybob | hoary? is this #ubuntu? |
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| 12:22.55 | markybob | it'll probably work, but not, it's for real debian |
| 12:22.57 | scorpix | markybob: yes |
| 12:23.13 | zamolxes | scorpix, well since nvu is made by linspire and linspire is based on debian, the odds are they favour debs |
| 12:23.15 | scorpix | and this is old version of Nvu... |
| 12:23.17 | Pappa | any really good news client? (for RSS/atom) |
| 12:23.38 | zamolxes | Pappa, rssowl (very large and resource-hungry) or i use raggle :) |
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| 12:24.01 | Pappa | "very large" and "resource-hungry" is just not my thing.. |
| 12:24.37 | zamolxes | Pappa, well maybe i'm exagerating a little, but considering it's made in java.. |
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| 12:27.17 | Pappa | it's made in java.. scary. |
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| 12:29.52 | rixth | sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' <--- upon make of xmms, any ideas? |
| 12:30.02 | bob2 | the source is broken |
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| 12:30.10 | bob2 | or it missed including something |
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| 12:30.41 | rixth | bob2, I'm sure if used that act package before, but I'll download it again. |
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| 12:30.59 | bob2 | I dout the download was corrupted |
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| 12:31.38 | l1nux | hi :) |
| 12:31.41 | hao | :) |
| 12:31.54 | bob2 | I'm going to have to drink so much coffee in the morning |
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| 12:32.12 | urbnDruid | Can anyone please tell me why an NFS mount command just hangs? (mount fileserver:/backups backups) |
| 12:32.16 | markybob | bob2, 6:32am here and i havent been to bed yet. damn work. |
| 12:32.49 | bob2 | markybob: hah |
| 12:33.15 | l1nux | thinkeramik (QT style) not found in debian sid ? |
| 12:33.30 | l1nux | any one have package ? |
| 12:33.40 | markybob | urbnDruid, look at the troubleshooting in the howto http://www.higs.net/85256C89006A03D2/web/PageLinuxNFSTroubleshooting |
| 12:33.48 | bob2 | l1nux: try #debian-kde |
| 12:33.58 | l1nux | ohh.. |
| 12:34.00 | l1nux | ok |
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| 12:35.13 | FaeLLe | what is that dpkg configure command again for X :/ |
| 12:35.45 | markybob | FaeLLe, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:35.46 | jm_ | FaeLLe: /msg dpkg reconfigure x |
| 12:36.09 | FaeLLe | thank you |
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| 12:36.56 | aimaz | what's the command to set the text at the top of a gnome-terminal |
| 12:36.58 | aimaz | ? |
| 12:37.17 | bob2 | xttitle |
| 12:37.24 | aimaz | bob2, thank you |
| 12:37.32 | rossi | anyone knows where the x libaries are ? I want to install ksmoothdock /etc/x11 ? |
| 12:37.53 | bob2 | install xlibs-dev |
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| 12:38.00 | rossi | kk |
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| 12:39.24 | laxise | hey you ... i would need any new codec for mp3 ... where to find |
| 12:39.26 | laxise | ??? |
| 12:39.57 | takatumi | !confuse laxise |
| 12:39.58 | dpkg | Yes, them is my pants today, laxise? shirts of the people's republic of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 12:40.03 | markybob | laxise, what are you saying? you want a replacement codec for mp3? |
| 12:40.11 | laxise | ah |
| 12:40.12 | bob2 | laxise: please don't ask Ubuntu questions in here |
| 12:40.13 | laxise | sorry' |
| 12:40.28 | markybob | laxise, /join #ubuntu |
| 12:40.39 | laxise | bob2: you in here too :) |
| 12:40.43 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:41.09 | amorphix | how do i put a package on hold from updates? |
| 12:41.14 | FaeLLe | it refuses to give me 1024x768 resolution :/ |
| 12:41.14 | markybob | i'd still like to know what he meant. that sentence made my brain hurt. ;) |
| 12:41.15 | asg | amorphix: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:41.19 | urbnDruid | markybob all services running okay according to rpcinfo -p on both machines, mount works ok on server machine. |
| 12:41.21 | amorphix | thanks |
| 12:41.23 | FaeLLe | and any decent colours |
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| 12:41.41 | markybob | urbnDruid, probably being firewalled |
| 12:41.45 | FaeLLe | i think i have to download nvidia drivers from their website |
| 12:42.07 | asg | !nvidia one liner |
| 12:42.07 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
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| 12:42.34 | markybob | FaeLLe, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 12:42.59 | urbnDruid | markybob, is there a fw installed in sarge by default, 'cos there's nothing in the IPCOP logs :( |
| 12:43.25 | markybob | urbnDruid, no. both boxes are sarge? |
| 12:43.37 | urbnDruid | markybob, yes. |
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| 12:43.57 | urbnDruid | markybob, no sorry - the client's ubuntu |
| 12:44.17 | markybob | urbnDruid, i dont know if ubuntu does or not. i dont know how else to help you, either. |
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| 12:44.28 | FaeLLe | ah |
| 12:44.42 | rossi | bob2 Iahev done that |
| 12:44.45 | d | Is there a .rar password recovery tool for LInux? |
| 12:44.49 | urbnDruid | markybob, no - i've been trying for days - back to samba, then, Ta! :) |
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| 12:44.54 | rossi | but he doesnt find libjpeg |
| 12:44.58 | asg | d: not likely |
| 12:45.00 | rossi | and libpng |
| 12:45.10 | markybob | urbnDruid, why'd you move to nfs from samba? |
| 12:45.12 | takatumi | d: breaking in? |
| 12:45.42 | bob2 | rossi: then install those dev packages, too |
| 12:45.51 | urbnDruid | markybob, 'cos everytime i forgot to unmount the shares before rebooting the server, I had to reboot the client to unfreeze the mounts. |
| 12:45.53 | bob2 | libjpeg62-dev and pibpng-dev |
| 12:46.08 | rossi | I have done that apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 12:46.09 | markybob | urbnDruid, i see. |
| 12:46.13 | rossi | 16 mbs |
| 12:46.18 | markybob | urbnDruid, what are you doing rebooting the server often? ;) |
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| 12:46.21 | rossi | and then ./configure |
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| 12:46.34 | markybob | urbnDruid, i'm just being an ass. dont listen to me. |
| 12:46.45 | d | I know there such a tool for DOS- would it be very slow under one of the DOS emulators? Could I access a file on my reiser partition? |
| 12:46.47 | urbnDruid | markybob, long story... ;) |
| 12:46.57 | rossi | kk |
| 12:47.02 | asg | d: try it and see. |
| 12:47.07 | markybob | d you might have better luck using some win tool under wine/codeweavers |
| 12:47.29 | Pappa | hm |
| 12:48.20 | d | kinda what I expected :( |
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| 12:49.03 | asg | d: you aren't likely to get much help here on that since password protected rars are used for porn and warez (and maybe old bbs warez from the 80's) |
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| 12:49.15 | Rawplayer | mogguh |
| 12:49.33 | markybob | d maybe try some channel in efnet ? |
| 12:49.34 | markybob | heh |
| 12:49.34 | bob2 | and for getting around virus filters |
| 12:49.59 | asg | bob2: but in that case, the email would contain the passwrod |
| 12:50.02 | asg | s/ro/or/ |
| 12:50.14 | timmeh | anyone know how i can extract a exe installation? |
| 12:50.15 | bob2 | heh |
| 12:50.18 | asg | timmeh: unzip |
| 12:50.24 | timmeh | ? |
| 12:50.32 | asg | timmeh: unzip setup.exe |
| 12:50.40 | timmeh | does it work with isntallers? |
| 12:50.57 | Pappa | wine supports most installers afaik |
| 12:50.57 | asg | timmeh: usually. I assume you mean a windows installer? |
| 12:51.07 | timmeh | no sorry |
| 12:51.09 | MobyTurbo | timmeh: cabextract is another possibility for exe archives |
| 12:51.09 | timmeh | i said it wrong |
| 12:51.13 | markybob | mono? |
| 12:51.15 | timmeh | i need a 1.5gb file from a game |
| 12:51.19 | timmeh | that i cant upload |
| 12:51.23 | timmeh | and i want to dled the installation file |
| 12:51.25 | timmeh | extract it |
| 12:51.27 | timmeh | and remove it |
| 12:51.44 | asg | timmeh: what does 'file <installation file>' say? |
| 12:52.04 | timmeh | its not on my server yet im wondering if its possible |
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| 12:52.16 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 12:52.16 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 12:52.24 | asg | timmeh: it should be. It depends on the format of the installer though. |
| 12:52.46 | timmeh | well i'll see then thanks |
| 12:52.48 | timmeh | also |
| 12:52.56 | timmeh | how can i setup to dled through a proxy? |
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| 12:53.06 | asg | timmeh: using what client? |
| 12:53.14 | timmeh | debian? |
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| 12:53.21 | timmeh | um not sure |
| 12:53.23 | asg | timmeh: wget? curl? firefox? lynx? |
| 12:53.26 | timmeh | wget |
| 12:53.35 | asg | timmeh: set a 'http_proxy' env variable |
| 12:53.51 | timmeh | can you please explain that to me |
| 12:54.06 | timmeh | or show an example |
| 12:54.26 | asg | timmeh: export http_proxy=1.2.3.4 ; wget foo |
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| 12:54.49 | timmeh | ok thankyou |
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| 12:55.02 | revenger_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/uZeCei33.html any idea what I'm doing wrong here? |
| 12:55.05 | timmeh | does the port just got like 1.2.3.4:8080 ;wget |
| 12:55.18 | asg | timmeh: iirc, yes |
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| 12:56.55 | jm_ | revenger_: dunno, I use growisofs for burning on DVD discs |
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| 12:57.40 | Penix | omg. aqua teen hunger force rules |
| 12:57.46 | asg | Penix: yes, it does |
| 12:57.57 | bob2 | Penix: not as good as sealab |
| 12:58.04 | Pendragon | Hey I added a user on one of my boxes, and adjusted apache httpd.conf and the /var/cache/bind configs accourdingly, |
| 12:58.06 | Penix | sealab rocks |
| 12:58.07 | asg | bob2: true |
| 12:58.11 | Penix | I love adult swim |
| 12:58.12 | Pendragon | but when I do a dig @localhost, |
| 12:58.17 | bob2 | Neptunia was tops |
| 12:58.24 | Penix | !hug cartoon network |
| 12:58.24 | Pendragon | ns2.us has the right IP but ns1.us has the wrong ip |
| 12:58.30 | bob2 | if only for stormy with massive...gazoombas was the technical term, iirc |
| 12:58.31 | Pendragon | any idea of what I forgot? |
| 12:59.00 | bob2 | Penix: you get sealab on satellite? |
| 12:59.08 | rossi | bob can I qwery you I dunno want to paste too much in chan ( 2lines) |
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| 12:59.15 | bob2 | rossi: #flood |
| 12:59.19 | bob2 | tho two lines is fine in here |
| 12:59.26 | rossi | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 12:59.32 | Penix | bob2: yeah. they show all the cool, spun out shows on cartoon network now |
| 12:59.38 | bob2 | rossi: install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 12:59.40 | bob2 | Penix: bastard |
| 12:59.51 | Pendragon | O weird, I added a user, hhc with adduser, and the home dir has a file in it, but not a directory called hhc |
| 13:00.01 | Penix | just watched sealab *and* hunger force |
| 13:00.01 | Pendragon | shoot i hate being a newbie |
| 13:00.13 | bob2 | I'm not really sure what DNS has to do with adding a user, tho |
| 13:00.15 | bob2 | Penix: hah |
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| 13:00.23 | revenger_ | jm_: great growisofs works fine.. just dvdrecord doesn't do it's job |
| 13:00.28 | revenger_ | thanks :-) |
| 13:01.13 | Pendragon | I could really use help with this DNS stuff |
| 13:01.33 | bob2 | Pendragon: you seem to have buried your dns problem inside another problem |
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| 13:01.56 | bob2 | if you're doing "dig blah.com ns @localhost", any problems will be in your local zone file |
| 13:03.02 | Pendragon | I'll go look there, thanks |
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| 13:04.45 | Shadur | Ooo. One of the local TV channels already contracted for the new Doctor Who series. |
| 13:04.55 | bob2 | woo |
| 13:05.01 | bob2 | hopefully ABC will pick it up |
| 13:05.14 | bob2 | it's been showing the old eps every night for like a year now |
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| 13:05.21 | Shadur | Heh, lucky |
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| 13:06.55 | rossi | checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 13:07.05 | bob2 | kdelibs-dev |
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| 13:10.43 | Pendragon | ARG BIND and DNS, why the hell do they have to be so hard! |
| 13:11.00 | bob2 | explain your problem |
| 13:11.09 | asg | Pendragon: have you consulted #dns yet? |
| 13:11.10 | Rawplayer | BIND aint hard, its only hard to learn |
| 13:11.18 | markybob | heh. nice. |
| 13:11.43 | Pendragon | ok, I go to /var/cache/bind and vi zertis.net.hosts |
| 13:11.56 | Pendragon | then I changed the IP for hhc.zerits.net |
| 13:12.03 | Pendragon | which I am trying to put up now |
| 13:12.09 | arturaz | hey. if i want to have both ipv4 and ipv6 on same iface, i need two definitions in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:12.12 | asg | Pendragon: and did you increment the serial number before refreshing the zone? |
| 13:12.14 | tarzeau | Pendragon: did you increase the serial? |
| 13:12.23 | Pendragon | then I type dig @localhost hhc.zertis.net |
| 13:12.25 | Pendragon | o no I didn't |
| 13:12.30 | asg | Pendragon: then it won't work |
| 13:12.31 | Pendragon | lol and i remember learning that |
| 13:12.32 | Pendragon | thanks, |
| 13:12.37 | Pendragon | Thank you so much |
| 13:12.40 | Pendragon | I hope that's it |
| 13:12.42 | Pendragon | brb |
| 13:13.00 | rossi | bob2 I ahev installed kdelibs-dev but the same failure as before (configure error...) |
| 13:13.04 | Pappa | hell |
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| 13:13.26 | Pendragon | arg, that wasn't it damn |
| 13:13.26 | asg | rossi: did you 'make distclean', configure may have cache previous failure results. |
| 13:13.37 | Pendragon | when I dig it, it still has the wrong ns1 ip |
| 13:13.44 | Pappa | every time i download something from the net, via apt, wget or something else, it runs fine for two seconds then the speed decreases to 2-3B/s |
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| 13:14.03 | asg | Pendragon: did you do rndc reload after editing the file and updating the serial number? |
| 13:14.14 | Pendragon | ndc reload |
| 13:14.33 | markybob | Pappa, call your cable company |
| 13:14.38 | rossi | asg it sais there would be no rule for make distclean |
| 13:14.42 | Pendragon | well, the man of the hour is here, at work now, I'll ask him, he is really good at this, |
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| 13:14.56 | asg | rossi: or make clean or whatever rules exist in the Makefile |
| 13:15.06 | Pappa | markybob: they always say "i dont know, we'll have someone lok into it.." then i call back in an hour, thy reply the same.. great service |
| 13:15.22 | R | I got a partition table that has been f&$*#d up... There are 3 80GB SATA drives in a Raid5 configurations (hardware raid on a FastTrak card), I got three good partitions and one that is not ok (it's 213 GB.. impossible with 3 80GB Raid5)... any clues? |
| 13:15.29 | rossi | well the failure comes when I do ./configure |
| 13:15.40 | rossi | and after that is make command |
| 13:15.47 | Pappa | i actually pay for 2048/2048. so if i dont get the throughput i'm paying for, i'll claim my money back. |
| 13:15.47 | Kerr | where can i find kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 ? It doesn't appear to be in any of my apt sources. |
| 13:16.04 | tarzeau | Kerr: they are upgraded regularly |
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| 13:16.19 | Kerr | tarzeau: huh? |
| 13:16.35 | asg | rossi: have you asked #debian-kde yet? |
| 13:16.35 | tarzeau | Kerr: get the ones for 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 |
| 13:16.41 | rossi | no |
| 13:16.55 | asg | rossi: might be worth a shot |
| 13:17.41 | Kerr | tarzeau: i fail to see how having the wrong headers installed could possibly be of help. |
| 13:18.40 | markybob | kerr then get kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-386 |
| 13:18.47 | markybob | or -12,whatever it is |
| 13:18.56 | markybob | apt-cache search for that header to find out the current incremental version |
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| 13:19.28 | Kerr | those headers will work for 2.6.8-1-386 ? |
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| 13:19.37 | markybob | *probably* |
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| 13:20.04 | markybob | apparently upgrading your kernel isnt an option, so that's your best bet. |
| 13:20.57 | rob^ | Kero_1116, what flavour of Debian are you running/ |
| 13:21.12 | rob^ | oops |
| 13:21.12 | Kerr | I never said that :-/ |
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| 13:21.18 | rob^ | kerr, what flavour of Debian are you running/ |
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| 13:21.25 | Kerr | rob^: sarge |
| 13:21.36 | markybob | Kerr, apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.8 to find whatever the current headers incremental is |
| 13:21.52 | markybob | kerr or upgrade your kernel. again, apt-cache search is your friend. |
| 13:22.00 | Kerr | ... |
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| 13:22.52 | rob^ | kerr, try: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 |
| 13:23.59 | Kerr | I ran apt-cache search before coming here. I'm attempting to run the nvidia one-liner (again, it fucked up last time i got it to 'work' by dragging debs from google) I doubt installing the wrong headers again will help me much. |
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| 13:24.21 | markybob | kerr you fail to understand what the incremental thing is all about. it'd most likely work |
| 13:24.27 | ruzbeh | what do i need if i want to 'make' myself a kernel |
| 13:24.39 | markybob | Kerr, or upgrade your kernel and get the 2.6.10 to get matching kernel/headers. i dont much care |
| 13:24.41 | rob^ | kerr, what kernel are you even running? |
| 13:24.54 | Kerr | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 13:25.21 | markybob | ruzbeh, build-essential make-kpkg and read a how-to |
| 13:25.27 | Kerr | markybob: I did this last time. I want to follow the one-liner by the letter this time, to ensure it's goofing up isn't my fault. |
| 13:25.48 | Kerr | would a kernel upgrade be likely to break anything? |
| 13:25.54 | markybob | Kerr, so, like i said, upgrade your kernel. |
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| 13:26.03 | rob^ | Kerr, well you have a choice: 1. apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 or 2. upgrade your kernel/headers at the same time |
| 13:26.16 | markybob | rob^, those headers dont exist. |
| 13:26.33 | markybob | rob^, he's afraid of incremental header releases. *shrug* |
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| 13:26.35 | rob^ | markybob, oh.. just making an assumtion |
| 13:26.51 | rob^ | +p |
| 13:27.02 | marras | hi! I would like to know which package may I install to listen to .asx files for internet radio |
| 13:27.12 | rob^ | umm.. has he heard about the new kernel versioning scheme? |
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| 13:27.35 | rob^ | marras, try google. |
| 13:27.56 | Kerr | i don't doubt that the incrimental release will be near identical to the one i want, but i do douvt that nvidia-glx would work with it. In my past attempts, all it needs is an excuse not to work. |
| 13:28.29 | mtnman | maras: try apt-cache search asx |
| 13:28.49 | rob^ | heh.. totem |
| 13:28.51 | Kerr | would a kernel upgrade be likely to break anything I have installed? |
| 13:28.55 | zyg | i ran a fool command on my "/" dir which was "for i in *, do,cd $i , chown zyg, done",and when i found it wasn't the right dir ,it was late.then i changed files'owner back to root,bu i found that it showed message " setgid deny" when i used the command "su" in Xwindows. somebody can help me ? thanks a lot |
| 13:29.02 | rob^ | probably not |
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| 13:30.02 | Kerr | rob^: Please elaborate; in what circumstances would things break? 'probably' is a word i've learnt to loathe. |
| 13:30.43 | rob^ | kerr.. back up all your important docs and stuff, and just give it a go.. you can always reinstall if your fuck things up |
| 13:30.43 | markybob | please. we've covered this enough. upgrade your kernel and get those new headers. |
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| 13:31.15 | sh0rt | Kerr, do you have your source installed? |
| 13:31.43 | rob^ | man, my typing sucks tonight.. |
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| 13:33.07 | Kerr | sh0rt: I dunno. |
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| 13:33.53 | markybob | kerr apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8. nvidia installer probably gives you an option to specify its location |
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| 13:34.35 | sh0rt | Kerr, if you dunno you prolly dont, look in /usr/src you probably need that anyway |
| 13:34.40 | Kerr | rob^: No cd writer, single partition; no debian installer disks or fast access to them. at the moment reinstalling would be a nightmare. |
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| 13:35.05 | markybob | Kerr you have a stock debian kernel right now, correct? |
| 13:35.08 | rob^ | Kerr, well your gonna have to suck eggs until you get them |
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| 13:35.42 | markybob | kerr if so and you're upgrading to a newer debian stock kernel is about as safe as driving to the store for milk |
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| 13:35.53 | markybob | you can get in a car wreck, but it's not very likely. |
| 13:36.42 | markybob | once you start making a custom kernel with custom config, then it's about as safe as...well...going to iraq |
| 13:36.48 | markybob | if you know what you're doing, you'll probably be fine |
| 13:36.51 | markybob | if not, say goodbye |
| 13:36.56 | rob^ | heh.. good one markybob |
| 13:37.00 | markybob | thank you |
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| 13:40.26 | Karhuton | Is there a NetLimiter linux alternative? |
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| 13:40.44 | Karhuton | I looked into trickle, but it can't change the speed limits "on the fly" |
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| 13:41.25 | rob^ | bye all |
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| 13:43.04 | BiG_B | Coreix are looking for 2 linux technicians to work at there datacenter, salary 16-22k workin in london. pm me or send cv to cv@coreix.net - no sponsorships, immediate start. |
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| 13:44.13 | markybob | BiG_B, think about doubling that, and i'll think about it. :) |
| 13:44.29 | BiG_B | its a junior role |
| 13:45.45 | rossi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.41 | scytheman_ | is it normal that root ignores the process limit set with ulimit? |
| 13:46.54 | bob2 | root can set it to an arbitrary value, anyway |
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| 13:46.58 | asg | scytheman_: yes |
| 13:47.09 | scytheman_ | asg, mh, okay |
| 13:47.25 | rossi | have asked in debian-kde |
| 13:47.27 | asg | scytheman_: in the same way that 'chmod 0 foo' doesn't affect root's ability to edit foo |
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| 13:47.55 | rossi | kelmo_lap said then you don't have the -dev packages installed or your kde is older than required |
| 13:48.13 | scytheman_ | asg, okay, thanks |
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| 13:48.45 | rossi | how do I know if I have all the needed packages installed? |
| 13:48.46 | bamba | hello people: I'm trying to run iptables/firehol on sarge, but there is not script in init.d. how to run it? thanks |
| 13:49.04 | asg | rossi: if you had the needed packages, you wouldn't have this problem. |
| 13:49.15 | asg | bamba: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 13:49.53 | scytheman_ | rossi, check wich file is needed and search for that file with apt-file |
| 13:50.15 | bamba | asg: I read it, but I think that's not clear explanation... |
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| 13:50.54 | asg | rossi: apt-cache search kde -- -dev (make sure the most likely packages in that list are installed.) |
| 13:51.33 | asg | bamba: well, the use of an init.d file was deprecated, as indicated in the readme. If you want to use one, one is provided in examples/ |
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| 13:52.05 | asg | bamba: otherwise, the use of pre-up / down directives in /etc/network/interfaces to drive iptables-save / iptables-restore is preferred. |
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| 14:00.13 | tuxJr_14 | hi |
| 14:00.23 | tuxJr_14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:00.36 | tuxJr_14 | i am using knoppix 3.3 |
| 14:00.39 | asg | hehe |
| 14:00.47 | asg | tuxJr_14: try #knoppix |
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| 14:01.03 | smurfd | ZoMBi, stop advertising please |
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| 14:01.18 | Kerr | kernel-upgrade is a borked link. How would i go about moving from 2.6.8-1-386 to 2.6.8-2-386 ? |
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| 14:01.33 | bob2 | wtf |
| 14:01.36 | asg | get em bob |
| 14:01.36 | websdale | Yeah I just had zombi's attentions |
| 14:01.41 | bob2 | oh |
| 14:01.43 | ruckerz | what's a good imap server to run sidebyside with sendmail? |
| 14:01.44 | bob2 | the ban list is full |
| 14:01.50 | bob2 | ruckerz: dovecot |
| 14:01.50 | markybob | kerr apt-get install the new kernel. that's it. |
| 14:01.51 | asg | bob2: hehe |
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| 14:01.56 | pureone | braaaaiiins must eat braaiiins |
| 14:01.59 | Kerr | markybob: Ah |
| 14:02.01 | asg | ruckerz: dovecot, courier-imapd, binc |
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| 14:02.14 | Kerr | as i suspected, nvidia didn't like mismatched headers.. |
| 14:02.14 | ruckerz | thanks |
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| 14:02.28 | Kerr | i'd be pissed off, if i didn't get the card for free. |
| 14:02.36 | asg | ruckerz: unless you really know sendmail, I'd also suggest using exim or postfix instead for your MTA. |
| 14:02.39 | Kerr | which is roughly the most you'd find me paying for nvidia. |
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| 14:03.15 | markybob | kerr ...does it happen to be a card provided by hp? |
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| 14:04.52 | Kerr | markybob: nope.. gamer friend gave me his old gforce 4 |
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| 14:05.05 | jotham | how does linux display tux the pengiun in textmode |
| 14:05.13 | Rawplayer | :? |
| 14:05.13 | jm_ | jotham: it doesn't |
| 14:05.37 | jotham | jm_: it's virtual-textmode? |
| 14:05.38 | markybob | kerr good. last month i bought ten hp computers with nvidia cards...stock nvidia drivers dont work. have to use hp's, which obviously dont exist for linux. i was pretty heated. |
| 14:05.40 | MobyTurbo | jotham: it uses framebuffer graphics |
| 14:05.43 | jm_ | jotham: it's framebuffer |
| 14:05.43 | daffy-pkf | raaaaaaa i'm stupid, i searched all the night why my keymap wasn't loading correctly, the only problem was my /var being full... |
| 14:05.48 | markybob | kerr stock nvidia drivers dont even work when in windows with those |
| 14:06.02 | jotham | jm_: can i display my own images some how? |
| 14:06.11 | Kerr | markybob: why do you think it came with such an attractive price tag? |
| 14:06.26 | markybob | Kerr, it didnt. paid about $2200 |
| 14:06.42 | Kerr | owch |
| 14:06.46 | Kerr | i was talking about mine.. |
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| 14:06.49 | jotham | i want to display my own image data, from the commandline |
| 14:07.02 | markybob | so i'm stuck using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia'. it's a bitch. |
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| 14:07.22 | Kerr | the card i was given replaced an ancient tnt2, so even without hardware acceleration it's better.. |
| 14:07.46 | jm_ | jotham: sure |
| 14:07.55 | MobyTurbo | markybob: you might want to try the latest nvidia driver, 7167, it works even with my TNT2 M64, and it documents better support for old GPUs. |
| 14:08.08 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: ^^ |
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| 14:08.19 | markybob | MobyTurbo, i actually did. i had my fingers crossed. |
| 14:08.26 | rossi | Ii am installing kde-devel |
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| 14:08.39 | maw_ | when will gnome 2.10 be in apt? |
| 14:08.40 | maw_ | :P |
| 14:08.42 | rossi | but it sais that it removes genome |
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| 14:08.46 | markybob | MobyTurbo, the system hard locks with it. compiles fine, just cant use it. cant even ping the box from the outside. it's great. |
| 14:08.49 | jotham | jm_: how would i go about displaying my own bitmap data from the commandline |
| 14:08.50 | rossi | I am not into debian |
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| 14:09.01 | markybob | maw_ whenever it's packaged. |
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| 14:09.09 | MobyTurbo | markybob: did you delete "dri" and "GLCore" from /etc/X11/XF86Config? |
| 14:09.09 | Kerr | i get something about the directory /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 still existing with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ... i'm guessing that is from my failed nvidia install, and i can go ahead? |
| 14:09.19 | markybob | MobyTurbo, absolutely. |
| 14:09.23 | rossi | so if it removes gnome so my kde is not there when I am start it over gdm ? |
| 14:09.23 | markybob | MobyTurbo, i read the docs :) |
| 14:09.25 | maw_ | mrcoyote, may that happen today? |
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| 14:09.47 | MobyTurbo | markybob: then I don't know then, maybe the driver is still buggy. Every now and then one of my 3D screen savers gets frozen. |
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| 14:10.02 | markybob | MobyTurbo, hard lock or just x? |
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| 14:10.22 | MobyTurbo | markybob: no lockup, just a frozen picture. |
| 14:10.30 | markybob | MobyTurbo, i'd take that :) |
| 14:10.38 | Kerr | last time i got a splash screen that never dissapeared, leaving the text of my kdm login screen floating over it, unuseable. Pretty,but useless. |
| 14:10.40 | MobyTurbo | markybob: the frozen picture stops being frozen on program exit. |
| 14:10.59 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: I had that problem before the latest driver. |
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| 14:11.15 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: cool |
| 14:12.14 | MobyTurbo | it's almost enough to make me want to purchase ATI, except I hear their drivers are bad too. |
| 14:12.23 | markybob | MobyTurbo, i dont have much hope, since even the windows nvidia drivers dont work on those boxes. have to use hp's. |
| 14:12.52 | markybob | bastars. |
| 14:12.58 | markybob | bastards |
| 14:13.01 | MobyTurbo | markybob: I think some PHB decided nvidia shouldn't care about old cards anymore. |
| 14:13.05 | Kerr | so, the /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 still exists thing... I've never used that kernel, just tried to use it's headers. is it safe to install? |
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| 14:13.13 | markybob | MobyTurbo, it's not. i just bought the box last month |
| 14:13.29 | rossi | no it has worked ./configure I have installed kde-devel but it said at the installation that it removes abiword-help ... gnome .. gnome-office ... abiword-common ... abiword-gnome ...aspell-en ... |
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| 14:13.46 | MobyTurbo | markybob: maybe it's a cheap card. When I got my box it came with an obsolete card too. (TNT2) |
| 14:13.58 | rossi | so I do not have the graphic gnome anymore ? |
| 14:14.00 | markybob | geforce 5200, iirc |
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| 14:14.09 | MobyTurbo | markybob: "FX"? |
| 14:14.14 | fabrizio | HI ALL!! |
| 14:14.16 | sh0rt | Kerr, go there and delete it if you have never had a 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 14:14.46 | fabrizio | someone knows how to decompress .tgz file? |
| 14:14.51 | greycat | fabrizio: /msg dpkg tar |
| 14:15.10 | MobyTurbo | fabrizio: gzip -cd foo.tgz | tar xvf - |
| 14:15.21 | greycat | oooooh, a traditionalist! |
| 14:15.22 | takatumi | !spoonfeed |
| 14:15.27 | markybob | yeah. that's old school |
| 14:15.28 | markybob | heh |
| 14:15.39 | fabrizio | greycat: i've to use gzip? |
| 14:15.45 | abrocadabro | I am dual boot sarge and xp, since after I removed my old kernel package, xp entry was gone as well, I was trying to redo that running grub-install /dev/hda1, but this didn't really do much, any ideas how I can get xp back to the startup list? |
| 14:15.45 | markybob | fabrizio, no |
| 14:15.50 | greycat | fabrizio: gzip will most definitely be used. |
| 14:15.53 | markybob | fabrizio, tar -zxvf foo.tgz ought to do it |
| 14:15.57 | greycat | one way or another... |
| 14:16.03 | markybob | right, just indirectly in my example. |
| 14:16.06 | cyzie | yo |
| 14:16.11 | markybob | tar calls it |
| 14:16.18 | MobyTurbo | fabrizio: you can use tar's built-in gzip support, but it requires that gzip be installed because it uses it behind the scenes. |
| 14:16.24 | Kerr | mkay.. installed. the new kernel. Do i have to reboot now? |
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| 14:16.32 | markybob | MobyTurbo, just looked it up...256MB nvidia GeForceFX 5500 |
| 14:16.35 | MobyTurbo | fabrizio: this is GNU tar specific, however. |
| 14:16.43 | phoenixgwada | quit |
| 14:16.44 | greycat | Kerr: did you do the live animal sacrifice yet? |
| 14:16.49 | MobyTurbo | markybob: that's funny, that doesn't sound that low-end. |
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| 14:16.56 | markybob | MobyTurbo, it's not. |
| 14:16.57 | takatumi | Kerr: if you want to boot the new kernel, yes, reboot. |
| 14:17.04 | markybob | MobyTurbo, these desktops are top of the line |
| 14:17.14 | MobyTurbo | markybob: as was mine 3 years ago. :-) |
| 14:17.25 | Kerr | can i do the nvidia one liner then reboot, or must i reboot first? |
| 14:17.27 | Kerr | hmm |
| 14:17.28 | takatumi | markybob: I was looking at that one too. |
| 14:17.36 | Kerr | uname -r says old kernel, guess i gotta reboot first. |
| 14:17.52 | greycat | am I allowed to say "duh!" yet? |
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| 14:18.05 | markybob | takatumi, it's an hp problem. not nvidia model specific. |
| 14:18.20 | takatumi | markybob: lappy? |
| 14:18.25 | MobyTurbo | markybob: my system is hp, but I thought it was my TNT2. |
| 14:18.26 | markybob | takatumi, no. |
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| 14:18.44 | markybob | takatumi, but like i said, not even when running windows can you use nvidia stock driver. have to use the ones from hp or it doesnt work. |
| 14:18.46 | tosse | anyone here know if there is a way to convert the realm in tha sasldb2 file? |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | tha? |
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| 14:19.17 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help me , my mouse ( touchpad ) is not working , yesterday it was but now after i retsarted it isnt , wats the problem?? i am using an acer ferrari 3000 |
| 14:19.26 | takatumi | markybob: the nvidia one-liner factoid has been reported to give good performance. |
| 14:20.04 | markybob | takatumi, yes...and i've used it...just not in those boxes. i really dont feel like explaining it all again |
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| 14:20.15 | takatumi | markybob: sure :) |
| 14:20.35 | GoatDevil | so, any news on 3.1? |
| 14:20.39 | abrocadabro | PEACEYALL: modprobe psmouse |
| 14:20.45 | GoatDevil | heard its somewhere around the corner already |
| 14:20.45 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 14:20.47 | PEACEYALL | ill try |
| 14:21.03 | PEACEYALL | oh |
| 14:21.03 | asg | GoatDevil: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 14:21.04 | PEACEYALL | ty |
| 14:21.06 | PEACEYALL | its working |
| 14:21.20 | abrocadabro | add that into /etc/modules |
| 14:21.22 | asg | PEACEYALL: put 'psmouse' in /etc/modules |
| 14:21.26 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 14:21.31 | PEACEYALL | i know i was doing that now |
| 14:21.56 | GoatDevil | cool, ty |
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| 14:22.20 | greycat | all caps nicks are truly irritating |
| 14:22.43 | asg | so is the use of 'yall' |
| 14:22.47 | takatumi | NOPEACEATALL here with all the yelling. |
| 14:22.59 | greycat | asg: yes, because it's supposed to be spelled "y'all" |
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| 14:23.22 | greycat | but "yall" is not anywhere *near* as annoying as "ya'll". |
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| 14:23.38 | abrocadabro | how can I get the systemt to auto probe all installed booted system? I am missing xp in my menu.1st |
| 14:23.51 | jm_ | abrocadabro: no you're not |
| 14:23.52 | greycat | it's menu.lst, not menu.1st. |
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| 14:24.05 | asg | abrocadabro: there are examples in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 14:24.23 | abrocadabro | jm_: good point |
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| 14:24.26 | jm_ | abrocadabro: ;) |
| 14:24.36 | abrocadabro | asg: I'll have a look |
| 14:24.55 | jm_ | abrocadabro: you can also add the missing two lines manually, it's in GRUB docs |
| 14:25.06 | void | during the configuration of postfix i was told to create these 3 files (mysql-mydestination.cf, mysql-virtual.cf, mysql-canonical.cf) which seem to want to connect to a mysql database called mail, however that database does not exist, can anyone help? |
| 14:25.28 | asg | void: then create the database |
| 14:26.06 | void | asg, and the tables the scripts refer to also? |
| 14:26.36 | asg | void: check the /usr/share/doc/postfix/* there should be information in there. |
| 14:27.07 | void | ok |
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| 14:31.02 | Kerr | that... was scary to say the least. System wouldn't boot until i unplugged my usb cd drive O.o dumb kernel upgrade. |
| 14:31.14 | JohnnyST | Hi dose someone have an example or documentation how to limit web traffic and only webtrafic with kernel shaping using tc? |
| 14:31.42 | greycat | JohnnyST: #iptables or lartc.org |
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| 14:31.53 | JohnnyST | Ok. |
| 14:31.57 | greycat | or for that matter, #apache (using mod_throttle or similar) |
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| 14:33.40 | rixth | Here's a stupid question, how do I change the time on the clock? |
| 14:33.48 | FieldySnuts | man date |
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| 14:34.01 | FieldySnuts | if you have network access, ntpdate would be a lot easier if you have that |
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| 14:34.36 | jm_ | rixth: /msg dpkg set time |
| 14:34.40 | rixth | Debian hasn't adjusted for daylight savings thats all |
| 14:34.46 | FieldySnuts | user error |
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| 14:35.17 | _zigo_ | Does anybody has experience with raid1 (software) + grub ??? I drasticly need help, I did it with lilo but failed with grub... |
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| 14:37.03 | quittt | why aMSN ALWAYS crash under Debian? |
| 14:37.10 | rixth | Wtf?! That makes no sense at all. |
| 14:37.20 | rixth | quittt, aMsn is pretty buggy |
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| 14:37.52 | maw_ | quittt, amsn is crap, use gaim |
| 14:38.14 | rixth | maw_ but amsn supports webcam |
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| 14:38.30 | maw_ | cool |
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| 14:38.43 | quittt | maw, Gaim crashes more than aMSN |
| 14:38.44 | drac | google for 'gaim-vv people.debian.org' |
| 14:38.46 | quittt | some bizarre things |
| 14:38.51 | drac | to get voice'n'video for gaim |
| 14:38.52 | rixth | Hahaha, but as he said. It always crashes |
| 14:39.00 | rixth | drac, ty!` |
| 14:39.00 | drac | works with MSN |
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| 14:39.34 | xshad | a distro called 'sarge' is 3.1 release candidate? |
| 14:39.34 | asg | rixth: also, look at bitlbee |
| 14:39.53 | markybob | xshad, /msg dpkg sarge |
| 14:39.59 | Eivl | gaim never crashes for me |
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| 14:40.04 | Eivl | and I run it on windows and linux |
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| 14:40.23 | Eivl | it used to crash a whole bunch for me |
| 14:40.28 | zinx | penguin42: sent backtraces to the devs? |
| 14:40.31 | Eivl | now it works perfectly (last couple months) |
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| 14:40.37 | penguin42 | zinx: No admittedly |
| 14:40.39 | MobyTurbo | gaim never crashed on me, but then again I don't IM much anymore. |
| 14:40.42 | xshad | markybob tks |
| 14:40.47 | maw_ | MobyTurbo, nah |
| 14:40.54 | Eivl | gaim's IRC plugin really sucks, but that's not the point :) |
| 14:40.56 | maw_ | not for me either |
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| 14:41.15 | markybob | i'm just curious...you all talking about gaim crashing in linux, or windows? |
| 14:41.18 | hgoesm | hi i am new hear and i ve a question about debian and Motorola V3 Razer |
| 14:41.29 | rixth | Can some give my a fully formatted string to set the time? I really dont get it |
| 14:41.35 | greycat | !set the time |
| 14:41.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 14:41.48 | markybob | !ask |
| 14:41.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 14:42.19 | rixth | greycat, I know. But I don't get the whoe %h %I %d stuff, I want to INPUT not output |
| 14:42.36 | greycat | rixth: date --help | grep MM |
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| 14:43.25 | Leonardo_Lopes | apt, debian? |
| 14:43.26 | apt | debian is, like, a genuine free distribution, it isn't only a linux distribution, but also a hurd, freebsd and netbsd distribution. Currently, the linux based system is the only one that is considered stable. Another good point is that non-free and free packages aren't mixed, in that way you can know what is and what isn't free software before you install it. |
| 14:43.33 | rixth | greycat, that does not explain anything. I know I need to put date --set= but after that, I'm lost |
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| 14:44.20 | greycat | rixth: GERGEARGEAHRGAG!JG!!! |
| 14:44.22 | Dave2|Laptop | "I/O error: dev 08:[num], sector [num]" <-- does that message mean I should start panicing? Or is it solved by a reboot? |
| 14:44.24 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 14:44.39 | greycat | how the FUCK can you not understand [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] ? |
| 14:44.46 | greycat | is it because you're not an english speaker? |
| 14:44.59 | Eivl | hehehe |
| 14:45.00 | penguin42 | Dave2: That's not good - but it does depend on what the device is; if it is for example the cdrom then you can lie back, if its the hard drive its probably not good |
| 14:45.09 | rixth | LKAJSHTROMPTRIFKIL. I dont' want to set the damn date! |
| 14:45.14 | Dave2|Laptop | penguin42, I'm not sure what it is. |
| 14:45.26 | Dave2|Laptop | penguin42, I do know that I can't actually do anything now though |
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| 14:45.41 | Dave2|Laptop | penguin42, no ssh, can't login, or anything |
| 14:45.41 | rsd | hi |
| 14:45.44 | markybob | rixth, dude. see the hhmm? |
| 14:45.48 | markybob | rixth, hour/minutes |
| 14:45.51 | rsd | is there a way to controll laptop LCD screen brightness in linux? |
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| 14:46.11 | greycat | MMonth DDay hhour mminute CCentury YYear sseconds |
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| 14:46.33 | rixth | Yes. I got it. Bed now. I just wouldn't be able to sleep knowing my clock was off by one hour. |
| 14:46.34 | MobyTurbo | rixth: please engage brain before sitting at the computer |
| 14:46.42 | penguin42 | Dave2: What is your hard drive - normal IDE or something wacky? |
| 14:46.44 | markybob | haha |
| 14:46.45 | rixth | Forgive me, it's 3am. |
| 14:47.40 | markybob | good call on asking if he wasnt an english speaker. i would've just thought he was an idiot |
| 14:47.51 | xshad | hehehe |
| 14:47.59 | greycat | markybob: turns out he's in .nz though, so the idiot hypothesis gains weight |
| 14:48.07 | markybob | ;) |
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| 14:48.20 | MobyTurbo | markybob: he's posting from New Zealand, over there they speak sheepish. |
| 14:48.42 | greycat | MobyTurbo: you're such a baaaad boy. |
| 14:49.01 | markybob | ah...this is why i love #debian |
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| 14:49.03 | MobyTurbo | greycat: I wouldn't say that if I were ewe. |
| 14:49.13 | markybob | always get a good laugh in here |
| 14:51.28 | hgoesm | hi i am new hear and i ve a question about debian and Motorola V3 Razer |
| 14:51.36 | asg | !tell hgoesm about ask |
| 14:52.01 | penguin42 | hgoesm: Ask the question - don't ask to ask. |
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| 14:52.06 | penguin42 | Dave2: What is your hard drive - normal IDE or something wacky? |
| 14:52.13 | Dave2|server | penguin42: time to make sure my backups are up to date? ;) |
| 14:52.19 | Dave2|server | penguin42: SCSI |
| 14:52.29 | Dave2|server | my wifi dripped out |
| 14:52.34 | Dave2|server | So I've probably missed anything you've said |
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| 14:53.08 | lestest | hi there how do exaclty rsync syncronize files ? |
| 14:53.12 | penguin42 | Dave2: OK, well the 08:.. was an error from a scsi device - you need to look at the errors either side of hte IO line - it should give you a scsi specific error; you might see a timeout/resetting bus - in whihc case it might just be dodgy cabling; but if you see a 'medium error' then that is actually a bad error - dying disc |
| 14:53.15 | greycat | lestest: man rsync |
| 14:53.16 | hgoesm | can some one tell me how i can use my Motorola v2 razr with debian via USB |
| 14:53.40 | Dave2|irssi | penguin42: what I said earlier is all I got, with different numbers |
| 14:53.52 | xk | rsync doesn't do binary diff, eh? |
| 14:53.54 | FieldySnuts | rsync is it's own protocol, the man page has basic details, google rsync for their home page and I'm sure they have full details |
| 14:54.02 | lestest | greycat: checksum? |
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| 14:54.39 | penguin42 | Dave2: Really? Worth checking /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog - but if the scsi flipped out then it might not have been able to write the error! |
| 14:54.52 | greycat | lestest: oh, you want to know the *algorithms* it uses? read the source. |
| 14:55.07 | takatumi | "06:36:04 rixth_ | i think that eveyone sould use linux i even got it on my computer but to make linux setup the internet by itself you need to have brodband like i do and linux is very easy to setup but i am an expert at linux and i am only 11 years old..." are you really? |
| 14:55.08 | lestest | :) |
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| 14:55.45 | SiLENT | What can I use to remotely admin to a windows box from my linux box. |
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| 14:55.50 | SiLENT | My windows box doesn't have a monitor. |
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| 14:55.57 | xk | a virus? |
| 14:56.02 | penguin42 | SiLENT: there is a program called rdesktop which talks windows terminal server |
| 14:56.03 | Dave2|irssi | penguin42: can't see anything in the logs |
| 14:56.03 | abrotman | SiLENT: rdesktop |
| 14:56.04 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: if you have a win system which supports terminal services, you can use rdesktop to connect to it |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | !info rdesktop |
| 14:56.11 | takatumi | or sent a spy roach. |
| 14:56.16 | Eivl | tightVNC? |
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| 14:56.21 | abrotman | rdesktop |
| 14:56.23 | Eivl | it's, umm....tight |
| 14:56.24 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 14:56.24 | SiLENT | I tried tightvnc |
| 14:56.25 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: how you get that set up on the windows side is obviously way out of bounds here though |
| 14:56.27 | SiLENT | It seemed pretty alpha |
| 14:56.28 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: That assumes that the Windows box is? |
| 14:56.28 | abrotman | what is so hard about that? |
| 14:56.30 | SiLENT | Didn't work very well. |
| 14:56.36 | SiLENT | I just want to do video editing on a windows box. |
| 14:56.37 | Eivl | bah, works fine for me :p |
| 14:56.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: listening on the RDP port! |
| 14:56.38 | SiLENT | From my linux box. |
| 14:56.46 | penguin42 | Dave2: hmm difficult to tell then unless it does it again |
| 14:56.46 | Eivl | video editing through vnc sounds like a fun idea |
| 14:56.46 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: have you read a single thing about three of us just told you? |
| 14:56.55 | Dave2|irssi | penguin42: yeash |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | rdesktop |
| 14:57.00 | abrotman | i said it again .. twice! |
| 14:57.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: A XP box and or 200* server. |
| 14:57.06 | Dave2|irssi | penguin42: I'll make some up to date CD backups though :P |
| 14:57.06 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: not so |
| 14:57.11 | SiLENT | FieldySnuts, I used the monitor from my linux desktop....and set it up fine.... |
| 14:57.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Really? |
| 14:57.16 | SiLENT | Then once I had it auto login to windows. |
| 14:57.18 | quittt | hi |
| 14:57.20 | SiLENT | I just took the monitor back. |
| 14:57.21 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: NT4 has terminal server .. but i think you have to pay extra for it :) |
| 14:57.25 | quittt | how do I have winks with aMSN? |
| 14:57.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart SiLENT for not reading what three of us told you more than once, good luck buddy |
| 14:57.35 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: My point exactly. |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | SiLENT: fucking god damn it .. listen .. what version of windows is it? |
| 14:57.39 | penguin42 | Dave2: The IO error is pretty much the final error - its the one where everything else has failed and the kernel has given up on hte access; before it you should see errors from the SCSI layer trying to fight the block onto the disc |
| 14:57.44 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: wasting your time |
| 14:58.01 | SiLENT | Reduced Media Edition |
| 14:58.06 | abrotman | oh god |
| 14:58.08 | penguin42 | SiLENT: You don't want to do video editing over a network display |
| 14:58.09 | markybob | haha |
| 14:58.17 | SiLENT | It's proven to be the fastest windows version. |
| 14:58.17 | abrotman | SiLENT: get a real version .. go awy |
| 14:58.17 | FieldySnuts | which will definately not have terminal services support |
| 14:58.17 | SiLENT | lol |
| 14:58.19 | abrotman | away |
| 14:58.22 | SiLENT | It's on a 500mhz computer. |
| 14:58.26 | SiLENT | It's not like I paid for it. |
| 14:58.27 | markybob | SiLENT, get ultravnc for windows or something |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | SiLENT: go away |
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| 14:58.39 | penguin42 | SiLENT: You definitely don't want to do video editing on a 500Mhz computer accross a network |
| 14:58.42 | FieldySnuts | indeed, go away. every single thing anyone here has told you to do, you've completely ignored |
| 14:58.53 | SiLENT | penguin42, sure I do |
| 14:58.59 | penguin42 | SiLENT: Damn! |
| 14:59.12 | scarynetworkguy | Did we say tightvnc or just vnc? |
| 14:59.24 | SiLENT | I'm installing rdesktop now |
| 14:59.26 | SiLENT | relaxe |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | just kick him |
| 14:59.35 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: no point, that version of windows doesn't have terminal services |
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| 14:59.37 | scarynetworkguy | SiLENT: On what box? |
| 14:59.37 | mrhemlock | I see Sunday started early this week |
| 14:59.48 | scarynetworkguy | !sunday |
| 14:59.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:59.48 | greycat | mrhemlock: you mean.... it *stopped*? |
| 14:59.51 | greycat | when was that? |
| 14:59.53 | SiLENT | The server on my windows box, and the client on my debian/sarge box. |
| 14:59.54 | FieldySnuts | greycat: haha |
| 15:00.06 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, you like the difficult ones, dont you? |
| 15:00.07 | xk | mrhemlock: haha. I was wondering why it was _weird_ on a sunday ;) |
| 15:00.09 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: that. verison. of. windows. DOES NOT. support terminal services. rdesktop is pointless. |
| 15:00.10 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away. |
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| 15:00.25 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: tell me, why do each of us have to tell you the same thing at least three times? |
| 15:00.35 | SiLENT | Because you're stupid? |
| 15:00.38 | TBBle | Hence the expression "A month of Sundays" |
| 15:00.39 | FieldySnuts | eh fuck this, troll |
| 15:00.44 | SiLENT | If you have a problem with telling me something, ignore me. |
| 15:00.44 | markybob | you called windows reduced media edition a server? |
| 15:00.47 | SiLENT | Or don't repeat it. |
| 15:00.51 | markybob | that's just ...not sane. |
| 15:00.53 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: I was either gonna call him a liar if he said he was putting it on the winders box and/or tell him there was no point if he was putting it on a Debian box. |
| 15:00.53 | SiLENT | I have no idea why you say something 5 times. |
| 15:00.54 | abrotman | SiLENT is stoopid |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:01.05 | SiLENT | That's what you should have done from the beginning. |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | i have a /ignore .. and i intend to use it |
| 15:01.14 | SiLENT | You're stupid for letting someone on irc aggrevate you. |
| 15:01.16 | FieldySnuts | you're a windows user, that was assumed |
| 15:01.24 | SiLENT | I'm not. |
| 15:01.28 | FieldySnuts | loll |
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| 15:01.47 | FieldySnuts | screenshotted for the jackass of the day award, congrats. |
| 15:01.49 | penguin42 | Snuts: There are some unfortunate cases where you have to use a windows box and the only way to stay sane is to find a way to use it from your Linux box |
| 15:01.50 | Raf256 | help \o/ |
| 15:01.52 | xk | lets do a /version fest on silent. |
| 15:01.57 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: excuses. |
| 15:01.58 | Raf256 | my ******** partition failed |
| 15:02.03 | Raf256 | and I seem to lost /home/ |
| 15:02.03 | maw_ | lol @ SiLENT |
| 15:02.03 | abrotman | xk: and? |
| 15:02.04 | scarynetworkguy | SiLENT: Is the windows box for a family member and/or do you get paid to use it? |
| 15:02.04 | MobyTurbo | anyone running a warzed copy of XP Reduced Media edition is stupid. |
| 15:02.07 | SiLENT | I asked a simple question...what would be good software to use. |
| 15:02.29 | SiLENT | I got an answer. |
| 15:02.29 | SiLENT | But everyone just jumped on me after that. |
| 15:02.38 | Raf256 | mount /dev/hda11 -t reierfs returns error: can not find reiserfs pn .... |
| 15:02.40 | FieldySnuts | and because of info you later gave us later, we're trying really hard to tell you that you're wasting your time with rdesktop. |
| 15:02.44 | maw_ | a good software to use is vim :D |
| 15:02.48 | penguin42 | SiLENT: It tends to happen around here; sometimes they smoke too much weed and reckon everyone is against them |
| 15:02.48 | markybob | MobyTurbo, remember, he called it a 'server'. that's the best part. |
| 15:02.55 | SiLENT | I read that the first time someone said it. |
| 15:02.56 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: haha |
| 15:03.00 | SiLENT | You don't have to repeat it 6 times. |
| 15:03.04 | SiLENT | So I installed tightvnc. |
| 15:03.18 | abrotman | this isn't #windows |
| 15:03.19 | SiLENT | yea, you guys seem to have misinterpreted the situation. |
| 15:03.21 | scarynetworkguy | penguin42: No we just like to smack down people with a bad case of the stupids. |
| 15:03.24 | SiLENT | I asked a question and got an answer. |
| 15:03.28 | SiLENT | Then 10 people jump up in arms. |
| 15:03.31 | FieldySnuts | SiLENT: nah you just trolled us rather effectively |
| 15:03.37 | SiLENT | apparently |
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| 15:03.51 | Raf256 | how can I repair an damaged reiserfs partition? |
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| 15:03.53 | xk | that's what you get for running reiserfs |
| 15:03.55 | penguin42 | Raf256: How did it get damaged? |
| 15:03.57 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: reiserfsck --check --fix-fixable -y /dev/whatever |
| 15:03.58 | xk | the shredder FS |
| 15:03.58 | markybob | Raf256, have you tried prayer? |
| 15:03.58 | Burning | hey dudes just thought i'd say thanks for all the help you gave me |
| 15:03.59 | Raf256 | hexedit /dev/hda11 shows that it seems most data are intact |
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| 15:04.07 | MobyTurbo | SiLENT: do like your nick and be "silent" |
| 15:04.11 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: if that don't do it, blow it out, reformat, restore from backups |
| 15:04.18 | markybob | heh |
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| 15:04.19 | xerophyte | acrobat 7 is there any debs for it |
| 15:04.20 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 15:04.21 | xerophyte | just wondering |
| 15:04.23 | FieldySnuts | Burning: :) |
| 15:04.25 | Raf256 | penguin42- computer halted suddenly, and after restart I couldnd mount home, also other parts of HDD seems to be damaged |
| 15:04.33 | mathieu | hi, i'm trying to modify a debian source package. why should i add compiler flags (-DMY_MACRO for instance) ? |
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| 15:04.49 | mwilson | xerophyte: No. There never will be. |
| 15:04.56 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: Primus fan? |
| 15:05.03 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Adobe |
| 15:05.05 | Raf256 | markybob- what prayer? |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | xerophyte: alien |
| 15:05.10 | penguin42 | Raf256: Odd - the reiserfsck is the way to fix inconsistencies - but you MUST check if you've got a hardware fault first since running it on broken hardware can make it better |
| 15:05.10 | xk | mathieu: where? debian/rules |
| 15:05.13 | JhonTheFisherMan | yes FieldySnuts |
| 15:05.15 | markybob | Raf256, i dont know. what religion are you? |
| 15:05.21 | mwilson | mathieu: Dunno... why SHOULD you add flags that aren't already there? |
| 15:05.25 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: cool |
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| 15:05.32 | mwilson | Raf256: Take this opportunity to stop using Reiser. |
| 15:05.44 | SiLENT | xk lets do a /version fest on silent. |
| 15:05.46 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: saw them live (again) last year, original gang back together, great show |
| 15:05.46 | Raf256 | penguin42- I had to reset computer, and then computer wouldnt boot, so now Im using Knoopix |
| 15:05.52 | SiLENT | Good idea, let's all ctcp version someone.. |
| 15:05.53 | FieldySnuts | can we +q that troll already |
| 15:05.54 | abrotman | xk: what was that version? |
| 15:05.55 | SiLENT | har har |
| 15:05.55 | Raf256 | mwilson- what FS use instead then? |
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| 15:06.11 | *** mode/#Debian [-o+b SiLENT *!*ehe39@*.optonline.net] by xk |
| 15:06.11 | *** kick/#debian [SiLENT!foobar@l3-202-89-184-175.arach.net.au] by xk (can you shut the fuck up) |
| 15:06.12 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: yes ... primus , sausage etc ... iam french no concert :-( |
| 15:06.13 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 15:06.14 | mwilson | Raf256: Something other than Reiser. |
| 15:06.16 | Burning | i'm now 20% done my assignment, i have a computer running debian, learned to ssh to my uni, and i'm contolling it with my windows box. you guys are legends :) |
| 15:06.17 | penguin42 | Raf256: Do you get any particular errors - e.g. I/O errors etc - if the machine didn't boot then its more likely you have a more serious error |
| 15:06.18 | markybob | xk, nicely done |
| 15:06.19 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: damn |
| 15:06.33 | xk | a bit harsh... but... had to be done. |
| 15:06.41 | Raf256 | penguin42- yes, os whas showing strange errors like ReiserFS: freed 83472 of kernel memory |
| 15:06.42 | penguin42 | mwilson: Problem is that most of the filesystems are screwed in one way or other and no one trusts any of them |
| 15:06.48 | penguin42 | (otehr than Ext2( |
| 15:06.54 | Raf256 | penguin42- while working on thoes partitions |
| 15:07.01 | Guest11858 | i am receiving many CRC errors when transferring data to one of my disks (all on the same IDE controller) .. is there a tool to check for such errors? |
| 15:07.07 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: but maybe one day ... for the moment i try to play some primus song ... bass |
| 15:07.10 | Raf256 | penguin42- but SMART do not show any hardware errors |
| 15:07.17 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: :-) |
| 15:07.24 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: nice. I think Les is the best bass guitarist today |
| 15:07.28 | xk | Guest11858: ata33 cable on a ata66 hd? |
| 15:07.33 | xerophyte | abrotman will alien will make compatible for testing distro just wondering |
| 15:07.37 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: amazing to see him do it on stage, i hope you get to see him some day |
| 15:07.52 | penguin42 | Raf256: Those aren't weird - ok, go with the fsck - but make sure you have the latest fsck version, and if there is any sense of hardware errors like bad sectors or timeouts on the drive tak e it very carefully. |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | xerophyte: try it and see .. i've aliened other things and they worked ok |
| 15:07.55 | Raf256 | *smartctrl |
| 15:08.24 | Raf256 | penguin42- what exacly commend is best to use? partition number is /dev/hda11 |
| 15:08.30 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: yes i hope to i have see the DVD with some live video |
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| 15:08.39 | penguin42 | Raf256: the reiserfsck that was recommended |
| 15:08.42 | xerophyte | abrotman okay.. after a apt-get upgrade none of my mp3 are not playin gdo you have any idea what could be |
| 15:08.43 | Raf256 | penguin42- with fsck version is most up-to-date, how to install it while running knoopix livecd? |
| 15:08.48 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: hallucinogenetics or whatever? I have that, it's great |
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| 15:08.55 | penguin42 | Raf256: If you've got a recent knoppix your probably ok |
| 15:09.06 | Raf256 | penguin42- 3.6, not the latest 3.7 |
| 15:09.13 | Kerr | anyone know where i can find pak.0.pk3 (essential file for quake3) my housemate has my q3 disk, and he's not in, and it's taking forever to grab from limewire. |
| 15:09.14 | Guest11858 | xk, it's a new 200gb seagate.. i just the cables that came with the disc.. |
| 15:09.22 | Raf256 | penguin42- I have 3.7.... on my lost /home/ partition ;) |
| 15:09.23 | FieldySnuts | Kerr: buy it, you warez kid. |
| 15:09.29 | littlesnow | I have some problem about kernel compilation:that is when compilation process,suddenly It encounter an error,saying that |
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| 15:09.43 | penguin42 | Raf256: Gee - don't you know to store it on cd :-) |
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| 15:09.53 | littlesnow | driver/char/drm errors!But I don;t no why? |
| 15:09.58 | Raf256 | penguin42- well I was planning on doing it today :| |
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| 15:10.04 | Raf256 | !smite me |
| 15:10.06 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: No ! animals shouldt not try .... |
| 15:10.11 | FieldySnuts | JhonTheFisherMan: hehe |
| 15:10.14 | littlesnow | Who can help me? |
| 15:10.16 | penguin42 | Raf256: The 3.6 is probably ok; as long as it isn't ancient |
| 15:10.22 | FieldySnuts | @smite Raf256 |
| 15:10.30 | SuperNull | whats the most common reason to get a kernel panic at starting saying cannot open root device "hda1" ... when the 2.4 kernel works fine with the same grub config.. ? i have compiled in support for all file systems i use.. so its not that. |
| 15:10.34 | Kerr | FieldySnuts: I own it, and the team arena expansion. I jus' don't have the disks with me. Hell, it's not like it's expensive. |
| 15:10.37 | Raf256 | @smite me for not doing regular backups, arghh |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | gdo? |
| 15:10.45 | xk | guest: hrm.. what about the other harddrives? |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | xerophyte: no idea |
| 15:10.48 | FieldySnuts | SuperNull: no support for the root filesystem in the kernel |
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| 15:10.56 | xk | go0fy: hrm. |
| 15:11.01 | penguin42 | SuperNull: Msising driver for hardware, wrong partition pointer, missing filesystem |
| 15:11.10 | fanti | i'm looking for a bootable debian image with a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 15:11.13 | FieldySnuts | SuperNull: or possibly pointing the bootloader at the wrong partition |
| 15:11.19 | TBBle | SuperNull: A SATA controller that's hda under 2.4 but sda under 2.6? |
| 15:11.23 | asg | fanti: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:11.30 | Raf256 | penguin42- and what option to use to show what can be repaired nd so on, but without writting anything to eh device yet? |
| 15:11.33 | go0fy | xk, really strange, it just happens when i transfer packed files (rar) to that particular disc.. |
| 15:11.38 | go0fy | all other disks are just fine |
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| 15:11.54 | abrotman | xerophyte: check the bts |
| 15:11.55 | penguin42 | Raf256: I'm not sure - knoppix should have the man page |
| 15:11.58 | Raf256 | penguin42- this is damn important for me sow I wanted to double check with someone more expirenced |
| 15:12.01 | Raf256 | ok |
| 15:12.24 | penguin42 | Raf256: If it is very important and you have a spare drive then consider dd'ing the raw partition onto another drive just in case |
| 15:13.03 | Raf256 | penguin42- wjat is the option to dump entire /dev/hda11 into image like /mnt/anotherhdd/image.img |
| 15:13.04 | penguin42 | Raf256: Although I've got to say I've never had reiser get to the point it won't mount a partition; I've seen it screw up internals in a directory somewhere, but never badly enough so it won't mount - so I wonder if something else is going on |
| 15:13.21 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: there are a new project with primus and King crimson members |
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| 15:13.23 | penguin42 | Raf256: dd if=/dev/hda11 of=/mnt/anotherhdd/image.img bs=1024k should do it |
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| 15:13.25 | witchdoc | hi all |
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| 15:13.48 | xerophyte | abrotman, bts ??? |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:13.58 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:14.21 | rsd | hi |
| 15:14.26 | rsd | for some reason, even though i put ehci_hcd and uchi_hcd in my /etc/hotplug/blacklist, they load on bootup. i think they are the cause of this constant beepig noise i'm having. any idea how to stop them from loading automatically in debian? |
| 15:14.30 | rsd | i had the same noise in windows; i shut off powermanagement for USB and it went away |
| 15:14.53 | penguin42 | rsd: Constant beeping is sometimes a sign that the bios thinks your board/cpu is too hot |
| 15:14.56 | SuperNull | my 2.4 kernel was using initrd and the 2.6 is not .. i have had this problem in the past with grub .. but as soon as i used lilo it worked properly so im betting something is just wrong with the grub config ? but im not sure.. what because its identical except that 2.4 used initrd 2.6 doesnt and 2.6 names a different kernel (duh) .. |
| 15:15.46 | rsd | penguin42: no it's not that, my fans aren't even on |
| 15:15.46 | rsd | penguin42: it only happens in kernel 2.6 |
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| 15:15.56 | Raf256 | shiiiiiit |
| 15:15.58 | markybob | SuperNull, why arent you specifying an initrd for 2.6 in grub? |
| 15:16.07 | rsd | penguin42: right after hotplug starts it begins to beep |
| 15:16.16 | Raf256 | penguin42- reiserfsch can not find superblock :( |
| 15:16.17 | SuperNull | not sure how to make one or if i need one .. ? |
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| 15:16.31 | markybob | SuperNull, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 15:16.37 | penguin42 | Raf256: Odd - does the partition table look right? |
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| 15:17.05 | penguin42 | Raf256: Its possible the filesystem is fine but the partition is pointing in the wrong place |
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| 15:17.10 | takatumi | SuperNull: check /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 15:17.25 | JhonTheFisherMan | FieldySnuts: there are a new project with primus and King crimson members |
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| 15:17.35 | mwilson | markybob: If *he* built the kernel, why would he need to use an initrd? |
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| 15:17.52 | TBBle | penguin42: Oh dear gosh _yes_. |
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| 15:18.03 | SuperNull | what am i checking in kernel-img.conf for ? exactly |
| 15:18.04 | markybob | mwilson, where did he get it from? the stock debian images use initrd. |
| 15:18.11 | Raf256 | penguin42- in addition, the type of partition (not of FS) is set to Linux, instead of Linux reiserfs, should I change it in cfdisk? hexedut /dev/hda11 shows few kilos of nulls, and then some data that looks like my files a but |
| 15:18.28 | penguin42 | Raf256: Nah the partition type is irrelevent |
| 15:18.30 | takatumi | SuperNull: do_initrd = yes |
| 15:18.32 | mwilson | markybob: The stock kernel images come with one, too, so he'd not need to create one as you told him. |
| 15:18.41 | SuperNull | .. thats set to yes.. |
| 15:18.53 | mwilson | markybob: Only if he built his own kernel would make-kpkg be required. |
| 15:18.55 | markybob | mwilson, but he didnt install via apt-get |
| 15:19.01 | markybob | mwilson, it would've updated grub with initrd |
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| 15:19.14 | takatumi | and the initrd line does not get added with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-blah? |
| 15:19.23 | takatumi | SuperNull: ^ |
| 15:19.33 | penguin42 | Raf256: Any idea what you were doing before it died? |
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| 15:19.35 | Raf256 | penguin42- when I compare hexedit of damaged and of normal partition ,they look simmilar imho... where is superblock kept? can it be always rebuild? |
| 15:19.39 | wilswilson | SuperNull: mkinitrd - o initrd.img-<name of your image> <name of your modules dir> will make you one |
| 15:19.41 | SuperNull | i built from source .. because.. i have to .. im trying to host ap installed on this .. |
| 15:19.49 | mwilson | markybob: You're missing the point. A kernel-image package would bring the initrd with it. So it'd be there already, and it wouldn't have to be built. If he built his own kernel, he wouldn't need the initrd in the first place. |
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| 15:20.07 | penguin42 | Raf256: Not sure - some filesystems keep backup superblocks |
| 15:20.20 | Raf256 | penguin42- nothing, I woke up, turn on LAN, then CPU usage on my linux jumped to 100%, even mouse I can not moved, altr+ctr+del didnt helped, so I wait 5 minutes and turn power off |
| 15:20.34 | takatumi | SuperNull: the use make-kpkg --initrd or man mkinitrd |
| 15:20.49 | takatumi | s/the/then |
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| 15:21.02 | markybob | mwilson, i'm not sure you're correct. i've compiled my own kernel in the past and had it fail on boot without initrd. with initrd, same config, it's worked. |
| 15:21.10 | SuperNull | well mwilson .. how can i use it without initrd ? i have all the fs and drivers built in .. barely anything is a module .. |
| 15:21.14 | Raf256 | penguin42- other partitions are corrupted as well, but superblock is beeing found on them |
| 15:21.21 | takatumi | markybob: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 15:21.32 | penguin42 | Raf256: weird - I'd really check the partition stuff - reiserfsck has a --rebuild-sb - but I think you've got something more serious going on; wtf did you get that much corruption? |
| 15:21.32 | mwilson | markybob: That just means that your kernel configuration is incorrect. An initrd is in now way a required thing. |
| 15:21.34 | takatumi | SuperNull: you too ^ |
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| 15:21.44 | xerophyte | <mwilson> xerophyte: No. There never will be. whys i that . .i mean its must need applicaton current pdf readers sucks including the xpdf ;) |
| 15:21.58 | Raf256 | penguin42- just powered off the computer because it totally freezed :| |
| 15:22.09 | penguin42 | Raf256: That shouldn't cause that much corruption |
| 15:22.23 | mwilson | xerophyte: acroread is agressively-non-free software. |
| 15:22.47 | Raf256 | ok, heres go nothing, lets try to fix my /home :( .... |
| 15:22.47 | penguin42 | mwilson: Unfortunately it does produce much better results than xpdf |
| 15:22.51 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: an older version of Acroread is in nerim |
| 15:22.51 | SuperNull | so.. if my kernel is configured wrong .. where is the best place to start? |
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| 15:23.06 | mwilson | penguin42: Define "better results"? |
| 15:23.09 | wilswilson | SuperNull: "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.? 2.6.?" will do the job |
| 15:23.11 | markybob | takatumi, yes, i understand making those things static. i did. fs and controllers, etc. |
| 15:23.11 | xerophyte | abrotman, alien didnt work well :( its return some subprocess error |
| 15:23.17 | takatumi | SuperNull: compile your root file system related items static |
| 15:23.22 | abrotman | xerophyte: sorry .. worth a shot .. |
| 15:23.25 | penguin42 | mwilson: For me it renders faster, producers better rendered fonts and does much better job rendering images |
| 15:23.28 | abrotman | xerophyte: what is the error? |
| 15:23.36 | xerophyte | if somebody need it ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz |
| 15:23.43 | takatumi | markybob: then it should boot without an initrd, does for me and my /boot is on hda5 as well. |
| 15:23.45 | MobyTurbo | I actually like xpdf better than acroread 5, I haven't tried acroread 7, however. |
| 15:23.47 | xk | xerophyte: marillat has a .deb of it. |
| 15:23.58 | markybob | takatumi, i'm willing to admit i might've missed something. |
| 15:24.11 | xerophyte | dpkg: error processing adobereader-enu_7.0.0-2_i386.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/acroread', which is also in package acroread-debian-files |
| 15:24.11 | dpkg | xerophyte: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:24.19 | Raf256 | how canhow can I check what exacly version of reiserfs is on (working) /dev/hda9 ? |
| 15:24.22 | xerophyte | xk, url please |
| 15:24.26 | takatumi | markybob: haven't used initrd from the early days of 2.6.7 |
| 15:24.30 | xk | !tell xerophyte about marillat |
| 15:24.31 | abrotman | xerophyte: duh .. uninstall the other one |
| 15:24.37 | MobyTurbo | hmm, nerim has the acroread 7 package now. |
| 15:24.47 | xk | yeah, nerim/marillat. |
| 15:24.51 | MobyTurbo | xerophyte: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 15:25.01 | xk | MobyTurbo: I already did it for him :) |
| 15:25.01 | Raf256 | oh, it seems I have 3.6 reiser fs.. is it stable? |
| 15:25.11 | mwilson | Last time, Marillat's acroread package had this stupid idea that it was allowed to interfere with the browser. Is this still the case? |
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| 15:25.55 | xk | acrobat reader 7.- supports javascript? that's asking for trouble. |
| 15:25.56 | drac | with acroread-plugin yes. |
| 15:26.00 | Raf256 | how cn I check block size, and other info, about working ReiserfS partition? |
| 15:26.07 | penguin42 | Raf256: debugreiserfs seems to be able to tell you stuff - but you sound like your in a big enough mess that you should be asking on a reiser specific list |
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| 15:26.27 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Dunno. I find xpdf to be perfectly adequate. |
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| 15:26.44 | penguin42 | FieldySnuts: I've no reason to believe it is malware, and they've done a good job of it - I don't accept using a worse solution from free software |
| 15:26.46 | markybob | DRM might be a reason |
| 15:26.48 | MobyTurbo | plus xpdf has some conversion tools that rock |
| 15:26.49 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Because the two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupid. |
| 15:26.55 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: It's not hard to configure xpdf to render fonts decently, and unless something changes, it's light-years faster than acroread. |
| 15:26.56 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: uh huh, churn those excuses out. |
| 15:27.01 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: could be |
| 15:27.22 | markybob | mwilson, still doesnt help with people who have drm pdf's. |
| 15:27.30 | takatumi | xpdf and gpdf works fine here. |
| 15:27.33 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: I know it for a fact. |
| 15:27.37 | FieldySnuts | 1) don't accept drm pdfs 2) xpdf can do it |
| 15:27.42 | adaran | hmm is anyone using the acroread packages from nerim.net? |
| 15:27.44 | mwilson | "drm pdf's"? This means what? I've yet to meet a PDF that xpdf can't open and read. |
| 15:27.51 | adaran | FieldySnuts, firefox plugin =) |
| 15:28.01 | xk | mwilson: I can give you some encrypted ones (that depend on .dll) if you want :) |
| 15:28.04 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: You have links to an example? |
| 15:28.07 | MobyTurbo | anyone who uses drm pdfs is evil. The only thing that's worse is drm word files. |
| 15:28.16 | asg | xk: I'm sure their content isn't worth reading |
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| 15:28.29 | greycat | MobyTurbo: or iTunes. |
| 15:28.31 | adaran | MobyTurbo, i don't think DRM word files would be that bad, considering how good their password protection is =) |
| 15:28.31 | xk | asg: especially since it's in german :) |
| 15:28.33 | takatumi | drm needs to fail. |
| 15:28.37 | mwilson | Oh, I have no problem at all with DRM... I've just never run into one. |
| 15:28.39 | asg | xk: ach! |
| 15:28.48 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, no, i dont. i'm an advocate at codewavers...the main reason folks want codeweaver to support windows adobe reader is because the linux ones have trouble with drm. |
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| 15:28.51 | FieldySnuts | drm isn't bad, the entire concept of saying "you don't really own this, we own you" is |
| 15:28.52 | adaran | Mein PDF! |
| 15:29.02 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Ahh. |
| 15:29.03 | xk | asg: but the good thing is this... you can "print" it to pdf and it will become decrypted :) |
| 15:29.14 | xk | atleast on windows acroreader |
| 15:29.14 | asg | xk: ah |
| 15:29.17 | FieldySnuts | don't make drm'd pdfs then. if you accept them, you're as bad as the creators are. |
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| 15:29.34 | xk | well... blame the germans who want to protect their IP. |
| 15:29.34 | adaran | did i ever mention that kpdf is pretty good imho? |
| 15:29.45 | FieldySnuts | kpdf is very good, yes |
| 15:29.47 | abrotman | kde sucks |
| 15:29.48 | adaran | xk, my IP is precious! |
| 15:29.49 | mwilson | adaran: How good can it be... it's a KDE application. |
| 15:29.49 | FieldySnuts | too bad it's kde, but... |
| 15:29.57 | penguin42 | adaran: Last time I mentioned a KDE app on here I got burnt to a crisp |
| 15:29.58 | scarynetworkguy | xk: DRM is not about protecting IP. |
| 15:30.05 | MobyTurbo | kpdf has great antialiasing, it's too bad that KDE sucks |
| 15:30.06 | adaran | well i don't care |
| 15:30.07 | takatumi | how much cruft would kpdf pull in? I am actually willing to try. |
| 15:30.11 | adaran | i'm so fed up with gnome =) |
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| 15:30.20 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: all of kde, pretty much |
| 15:30.21 | mwilson | Usually, functionality isn't even on the radar screen for a KDE app. |
| 15:30.22 | abrotman | takatumi: probably more than you want :) |
| 15:30.23 | adaran | takatumi, lots of, if you don't use kde |
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| 15:30.37 | penguin42 | adaran: Nod |
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| 15:30.38 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: you *don't* want to run KDE apps outside of KDE. |
| 15:30.43 | takatumi | hmm.. |
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| 15:30.46 | adaran | a little less then the gnome fanboys want to make oyu believe, but still lots. |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | takatumi: /msg dpkg depends kpdf |
| 15:30.52 | takatumi | true. |
| 15:30.53 | FieldySnuts | @troll adaran |
| 15:30.55 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: they end up pulling in half of KDE into memory if you do. |
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| 15:31.05 | mwilson | adaran: Point out a Gnome fanboy, please. |
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| 15:31.20 | abrotman | you can't find a replacement for konsole? |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 15:31.26 | mwilson | You run konsole, *by choice*? |
| 15:31.32 | adaran | mwilson, never said there were any in here =) |
| 15:31.34 | abrotman | penguin42: i thought gpdf could |
| 15:31.35 | mwilson | Get this man some help! |
| 15:31.35 | takatumi | firefox and uxterm or rxvt |
| 15:31.41 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: gee what a deal breaker. yawn. |
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| 15:31.50 | abrotman | gnome is better than kde .. but of course .. that's subjective |
| 15:31.55 | Kerr | not for a file browser/ftp client. |
| 15:32.03 | Kerr | notthat i've spent mlong looking. |
| 15:32.04 | penguin42 | FS: Sorry - it is for me |
| 15:32.08 | Kerr | it sucks as a web browser. |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | konsole is a term |
| 15:32.09 | markybob | oh my lord. here we go. |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | not a browser |
| 15:32.18 | TBBle | Don't we have a mailling list for this kind of religious outpouring? |
| 15:32.20 | Kerr | err |
| 15:32.21 | Kerr | konqueror |
| 15:32.22 | FieldySnuts | anyway we know penguin42 is an excuse factory, earlier there were times you just have to be using windows. now it's lame binware from a company known to abuse the DMCA is okay on your otherwise pristene system. |
| 15:32.23 | Kerr | even |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | TBBle: no |
| 15:32.30 | FieldySnuts | you get the pattern |
| 15:32.32 | Raf256 | penguin42- cool, now it is rebuilding internal tree, with will took 2 hours to complete :O |
| 15:32.42 | penguin42 | Raf256: Hold onto your hat - and hope for the best |
| 15:32.55 | adaran | philosophical quesetion: if i have to choose between acroread and kpdf... |
| 15:32.55 | Kerr | what would use use, instead of konsole?? |
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| 15:33.02 | asg | Kerr: rxvt |
| 15:33.04 | adaran | s/quesetion/question |
| 15:33.04 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: <shrug> So use Windows. What's the big deal? |
| 15:33.07 | Kerr | err, one qmark there. caffeine jitters. |
| 15:33.13 | mwilson | Kerr: xterm. |
| 15:33.14 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: are you yourself today? |
| 15:33.21 | abrotman | adaran: xpdf |
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| 15:33.24 | calin | how do i apply subs to a video in xine? i have an ogm and two srt files, one for each languag... |
| 15:33.32 | abrotman | #xine |
| 15:33.42 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Of course. Where did you get the idea I had a problem with using Windows? |
| 15:33.51 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: if you need tabs, you could run a window manager that supports tabbed windows like pwm or fluxbox. |
| 15:33.54 | penguin42 | FieldySnuts: I believe the term is pragmatist; I like open source software, I use it heavily, I help fix it, I help people with it - but I have to use other stuff as part of my work and given the choice of open source software that sucks or free (as in beer) that doesn't I'll use the free (as beer) but also file the bugs against the OSS |
| 15:33.56 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: hadn't seen any direct statements, i guess I assumed wrong |
| 15:34.04 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: great. I don't care. please stop typing at me. |
| 15:34.08 | takatumi | kpdf renders very poorly. |
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| 15:34.11 | renegad3 | !sendmail |
| 15:34.11 | dpkg | somebody said sendmail was ask me to start an mta war. |
| 15:34.13 | adaran | abrotman, "kpdf or acroread" clearly does not include xpdf =) i'll give it a try though :P |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | adaran: xpdf |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | or gpdf |
| 15:34.25 | renegad3 | !postfix |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | well, postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 15:34.28 | abrotman | certainly not kpdf :) |
| 15:34.32 | kickrocks | apt-get install ? What is the correct pacakge name to install named ? |
| 15:34.35 | asg | renegad3: you are welcome the /msg the bot |
| 15:34.36 | abrotman | renegad3: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 15:34.39 | adaran | !exim |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 15:35.04 | abrotman | adaran: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 15:35.11 | markybob | kickrocks, bind9 what you're looking for? |
| 15:35.21 | calin | !start an mta war |
| 15:35.21 | kickrocks | yes. |
| 15:35.21 | dpkg | qmail sucks |
| 15:35.23 | FieldySnuts | if you have kde, kpdf is alright. gpdf is a stinker, at least to me, hangs often on me when I try to resize (to the point of needing kill -9), xpdf is my choice, acroread out of the question due to being from Adobe and binary |
| 15:35.30 | FieldySnuts | uh oh, here come the qmail fans ehhe |
| 15:35.35 | Raf256 | is the latest reiserfs 4 more or less stable? what kernels can use it? is XFS more stable then reiser? |
| 15:35.49 | abrotman | reiser is never stable |
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| 15:35.52 | mwilson | My problem with acroread is that it takes 100 mb to *install* the fscking thing. |
| 15:35.55 | penguin42 | Raf256: I'd love to know the answer to that - I've got a 1.6TB filesystem to build when I get back |
| 15:35.59 | markybob | Raf256, i'm not sure any sane person would use reiserfs 4 right now. |
| 15:35.59 | asg | mwilson: very bloated |
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| 15:36.17 | adaran | !start a de war |
| 15:36.18 | Raf256 | ..and XFS is good? because Reiser is indeed very fast |
| 15:36.21 | penguin42 | abrotman: Problem is I know people with long standing ext3 bugs - so pick your poison |
| 15:36.23 | adaran | well was worth a try |
| 15:36.26 | FieldySnuts | reiserfs4 is "stable" according to namesys. I have tried it, but find it just "too new" to consider stable yet. other than that, I don't have rpoblems with reiserfs. XFS is nice, it's fast at large files, moderate at small files, but most importantly, XFS assumes you have a backup. if you don't, don't use XFS. |
| 15:36.27 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 15:36.27 | dpkg | from memory, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
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| 15:36.45 | mwilson | Hm, and it's Xinerama-antagonistic |
| 15:36.47 | FieldySnuts | reiserfs3.6 is my filesystem of choice after all these years, only one that hasn't fudge on me at home or work |
| 15:37.01 | takatumi | of the three xpdf, kpdf and gpdf, xpdf still renders better here. |
| 15:37.09 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 15:37.18 | FieldySnuts | it's very fast, too |
| 15:37.22 | Kerr | rxvt and xterm offer little functionality in comparison to Konsole, and are ugly as sin. I run a 2ghz desktop system. It's awfull gentooish to scrape at tiny performance improvements :-/ |
| 15:37.31 | markybob | ok. how? gpdf uses xdpf to render. |
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| 15:37.51 | Kerr | well, that's a bit short sighted. i've never used them. They -seem- to offer little |
| 15:37.54 | FieldySnuts | gpdf looks fine to me, it just hangs with the earlier stuff i mentioned, so I tend not to use it |
| 15:38.04 | Kerr | i don't see a point in learning a new program. |
| 15:38.05 | asg | Kerr: it's a terminal emulator, it isn't supposed to be full of functionality. |
| 15:38.14 | Kerr | asg: Why? |
| 15:38.19 | FieldySnuts | asg: ding! |
| 15:38.19 | FieldySnuts | oh geez |
| 15:38.30 | jharrison | !find svn |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | !kiss |
| 15:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 15:38.31 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'svn' (15 of 21): cvs2svn ;; esvn ;; esvn-doc ;; libapache2-svn ;; libsvn-core-perl ;; libsvn-mirror-perl ;; libsvn-simple-perl ;; libsvn0 ;; libsvn0-dev ;; libsvncpp-dev ;; libsvncpp0 ;; python-svn ;; python2.3-svn ;; python2.4-svn ;; rapidsvn. |
| 15:38.39 | asg | Kerr: because it just needs to display whatever app you are running inside it. |
| 15:38.45 | mdadm | strange...lighttpd is not found via apt-cache search... |
| 15:38.46 | jharrison | hhmmmm |
| 15:38.47 | mrhemlock | !lol |
| 15:38.47 | dpkg | stands for Laughs Out Loud, also Lamer On Line. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh''haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 15:38.54 | Henning | I agree fully with asg. |
| 15:38.57 | takatumi | MobyTurbo: "18:30:12 MobyTurbo | kpdf has great antialiasing.." is that on by default? |
| 15:39.02 | Henning | Don't bloat the software. |
| 15:39.03 | abrotman | who the fuck changed that? |
| 15:39.04 | asg | Kerr: if you are referring to tabs, just run a screen session (which has added benefits) |
| 15:39.20 | FieldySnuts | changed what |
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| 15:39.25 | Henning | Window managers should handle tabs really. |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the lol |
| 15:39.31 | MobyTurbo | takatumi: I think that would depend upon KDE settings, but I don't know. |
| 15:39.33 | penguin42 | asg: Never did get used to screen steeling ctrl-a |
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| 15:39.37 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: been that way as long as I remember |
| 15:39.44 | asg | penguin42: you can redefine that key sequence |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | it use dto say "Loser on line" ..y ou just confirmed yourself as one |
| 15:39.57 | abrotman | @lol |
| 15:39.57 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | whatever |
| 15:40.18 | Kerr | how is running screen to take care of tabs, or switching window managers for a feature i only need for one program keeping it simple? |
| 15:40.19 | Henning | penguin42: I've beent thinking of changing that sequence as well, just haven't gotten around to it. It's sort of stupid that the default one interferes with something as common as readline, but I dunno the history behind it. |
| 15:40.19 | greycat | ~lol |
| 15:40.21 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 15:40.21 | Qumran | I have a problem with my new installed modules: alsa and nvidia. Everything worked fine just after i installed them but every time i restart i have to reinstall them. What have i done wrong? |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: remember? |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | they're all changed |
| 15:40.26 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 15:40.41 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure I don't have to say who's behind the sanitization of certain factoids |
| 15:40.41 | greycat | abrotman: they can be changed back. |
| 15:40.45 | greycat | !factinfo lol |
| 15:40.45 | dpkg | lol -- last modified at Thu Mar 17 03:33:23 2005 by simonrvn!simon@simonrvn.user; it has been requested 5 times, last by mrhemlock, 1m 56s ago. |
| 15:40.46 | asg | Henning: you could always use vi keybindings instead of emacs |
| 15:40.47 | FieldySnuts | since a certain arstechnica article |
| 15:40.48 | abrotman | they used to say like "LOL is Loser On Line, and you just confirmed yourself as one" |
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| 15:40.58 | abrotman | !factinfo lol |
| 15:40.59 | dpkg | lol -- last modified at Thu Mar 17 03:33:23 2005 by simonrvn!simon@simonrvn.user; it has been requested 5 times, last by mrhemlock, 2m 10s ago. |
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| 15:41.31 | tosh| | the metric setting when adding a route, is the metric responsible as the number of hops, or the line status? |
| 15:41.33 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: When did arstechnica become a credible source of anything? |
| 15:41.36 | MobyTurbo | ~factinfo lol |
| 15:41.36 | apt | lol -- last modified at Tue Aug 31 04:12:29 2004 by mentor!~matthew@mentor.registered; it has been requested 49 times, last by greycat, 1m 15s ago; it has been locked by mentor. |
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| 15:42.12 | FieldySnuts | surprised? |
| 15:42.19 | Kerr | i guess i like the look of Konesole because i use it for my irssis, and it's tabs look similar to pIRCh, which is the first irc client i used. I'm too set in my ways to change. |
| 15:42.21 | Henning | asg: I like to use emacs keybindings for everything even though I use vim over emacs. The reason simply beeing that it's the default almost everywhere and some apps doesn't offer altneratives. It's useful to learn a bit about both. |
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| 15:42.57 | penguin42 | Henning: Nod - and while I'm a vi man, using vi binding for command line history just sucks! |
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| 15:43.05 | asg | Henning: agreed |
| 15:43.07 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: you don't need more than one irssi. irssi supports multiple servers with the /connect command. |
| 15:43.19 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: But does it very poorly. |
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| 15:43.31 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: in what way? |
| 15:43.37 | FieldySnuts | never used it, have you |
| 15:43.46 | FieldySnuts | i do the same thing, seperate irssi instances |
| 15:43.49 | mwilson | After fiddling with irssi and it's "support" for multiple windows, I went back to epic. |
| 15:44.05 | TBBle | I'm not having any problems with multiple IRC servers in Irssi. I'm on six right now. |
| 15:44.09 | mwilson | irssi will be great someday, if its author ever bothers to document it. |
| 15:44.11 | calin | I like BitchX's `/window new hide` |
| 15:44.17 | Qumran | I have a problem with my new installed modules: alsa and nvidia. Everything worked fine just after i installed them but every time i restart i have to reinstall them. What have i done wrong? It's like the kernel isn't loading the modules after a reboot... please help me. |
| 15:44.19 | FieldySnuts | and i know the author, that won't happen |
| 15:44.34 | Delph | what's wrong with it is support? |
| 15:44.36 | greycat | Qumran: man modules |
| 15:44.49 | Delph | i mean big lumps of wfm. |
| 15:45.13 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Then it's doomed to be a niche product, forever. There are plenty of applications that I'll dive into and tear apart and learn how they work... an IRC client isn't one of them. Not when there are alternatives. |
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| 15:45.25 | TBBle | !wfm |
| 15:45.25 | dpkg | it has been said that wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 15:45.38 | Qumran | greycat: ok ... i will check it out. Another problem is that the sound is only working when running as root. |
| 15:45.47 | greycat | Qumran: /msg dpkg sound |
| 15:45.51 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: It's my personal preference to keep each irssi limited to 10-15 active windows. Easier to navigate, and each irssi runs on a different machine; i run multiples because each irssi maintains a local connection to the irc server running from it's shell. It's just easier for me that way. |
| 15:45.57 | Qumran | thnx |
| 15:46.03 | Raf256 | penguin42- WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 15:46.11 | penguin42 | Raf256: Fixed? |
| 15:46.11 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 15:46.20 | penguin42 | Kerr: HTF do you cope with 15 active windows? |
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| 15:47.12 | Kerr | penguin42: alt + window num |
| 15:47.23 | Kerr | err, why am i a fly? |
| 15:47.27 | penguin42 | Kerr: Yeh - I mean htf do you deal with the contexts in your head |
| 15:47.31 | greycat | something about multifaceted eyes, I think |
| 15:47.42 | Raf256 | penguin42- FIXED \o/ \o/ |
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| 15:48.03 | Pappa | i only have 60 sec. lag now, very good |
| 15:48.16 | penguin42 | Raf256: Copy that data off now! And watch very very carefully to see what went wrong - what magic did you have to give reiserfsck in the end? |
| 15:48.19 | Raf256 | penguin42- could You /prvmsg me YOur email/ICQ/etc so that can I send YOu a small commercial game of my production as a thanx :) ? |
| 15:48.25 | Kerr | penguin42: I'm a specialy bred irc fiend. I've a neural interface with each of the ircds i monitor. |
| 15:48.28 | mwilson | I wonder... who actually wrote Acrobat 7 for Adobe? It's actually a fairly decent X citizen. |
| 15:48.33 | Raf256 | penguin42- I had to both rebuild superblock, then internal tree |
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| 15:49.07 | Raf256 | penguin42- I will check /var/ tosee what did killed my machine before... how do I repair/check other FS like ext3 ext2 and XFS? |
| 15:49.21 | mdadm | hat determines whether a package is distrbuted thru apt-get? |
| 15:49.29 | asg | mdadm: apt-cache search |
| 15:49.30 | FieldySnuts | devs |
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| 15:49.33 | mdadm | because I see that lighttpd is not...seems like it should be |
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| 15:49.38 | penguin42 | Raf256: There is an fsck for each one /sbin/fsck.ext3 for example |
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| 15:49.42 | phaedral | hi all; poking deeper into the docs...should i non-power user really be using aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 15:49.44 | greycat | mdadm: package it yourself, get a sponsor |
| 15:49.46 | zinx | madadm: free license, and existence of a maintainer |
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| 15:49.53 | mdadm | asg: i hear ya...but I mean..how come some things are not distrbbuted thru apt-get? |
| 15:49.54 | zinx | s/mad/md/ |
| 15:49.55 | mwilson | mdadm: Whether it passes DFSG and whether someone is willing to package and maintain it. |
| 15:50.13 | mwilson | mdadm: Whether it "should" be or not really has nothing to do with it. |
| 15:50.13 | mdadm | zinx: ahhh i got it...yah i guess lighttpd is not a free license.. |
| 15:50.15 | FieldySnuts | mdadm: license / dfsg issues |
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| 15:50.23 | Raf256 | :q:::q |
| 15:50.37 | Raf256 | ups, wrong keyboard, I was trying to exit vim on theother computer ;) |
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| 15:50.47 | greycat | !tell karmen- about msg |
| 15:50.47 | penguin42 | phaedral: Use whatever your most comfortable with - a lot of people use simple command lines easier; if you like pretty front ends then aptitutde is for you but you don't have to use it! |
| 15:51.14 | phaedral | penguin42: thx; actually groove with apt-get quite happily |
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| 15:51.37 | penguin42 | phaedral: I find apt-get with apt-cache search does pretty much everything I want |
| 15:52.30 | tobo | is there a way to disable the mouse pointer in x?? or setting its position to somewhere off screen? |
| 15:52.55 | asg | tobo: apt-cache show unclutter |
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| 15:53.07 | Icehat | don't plugin a mouse will work also |
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| 15:53.13 | conreyt | :) |
| 15:53.28 | phaedral | penguin42: plus there's the whole "I was just getting comfortable with that tool" bit; |
| 15:54.02 | Icehat | i've a question too :) If I exit X with ctrl |
| 15:54.03 | tobo | tnx asg, will try it out |
| 15:54.05 | Icehat | oh god |
| 15:54.07 | Icehat | wait |
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| 15:54.46 | Icehat | if I exit X, with ctrl+alt+backspace, than X startsup again. But I want to STAY in the console-mode.... How can I disable that autorun? |
| 15:54.53 | malex | Hi. I am trying to find a decent Color LaserJet printer for around $2000. My current choices are HP 4650dn and Lexmark C762dn. Printing quality/duplexing/networking/low consumable cost are what I need. Duty cycle will be minimal. Any ideas? |
| 15:54.54 | asg | Icehat: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 15:55.21 | Icehat | just enter in x-terminal or something? |
| 15:55.23 | wishie | what command do i need to use for simple ip masquerading? |
| 15:55.39 | mwilson | If low consumable cost is an issue, don't buy a color laser printer. |
| 15:55.42 | penguin42 | malex: If it does postscript over standard networking then Linux should be happy with it |
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| 15:55.49 | mdadm | i dont have dpkg-buildpackage on my system (even tho I have dpkg)...googled around...no advice on what to apt-get install...my guess is I need apt-get install pkg-dev... is that right? |
| 15:55.59 | tosse | anyone here know if there is a way to convert the realm in tha sasldb2 file? |
| 15:56.09 | asg | mdadm: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:56.23 | mwilson | mdadm: Uh, perhaps dpkg-dev? |
| 15:56.33 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 15:56.44 | [Elad] | hello all |
| 15:56.45 | malex | penguin42: I agree. I guess I am looking for more like the actual experience-based recommendations. |
| 15:56.49 | k8to | mdadm: in general you can answer such questions with apt-file |
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| 15:57.19 | penguin42 | mwilson: Probably chepaer than inkjet for colour if you are doing a lot - or if you do a little |
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| 15:57.23 | [Elad] | how can I fix partiton with fsck ? |
| 15:57.25 | mwilson | HP's idea of how to do inexpensive color lasers is a juke. |
| 15:57.28 | mwilson | joke, even |
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| 15:57.33 | mdadm | k8to: ahh ... got it..but seems i dont have apt-file on my system either.. |
| 15:57.42 | asg | mdadm: then apt-get install it ffs |
| 15:57.45 | k8to | yes you'd ahve to install it |
| 15:57.54 | [Elad] | I'm install debian and it's fuck my win partition (D: , C: is ok) .... |
| 15:57.54 | k8to | Skonnos:/home/jrodman# dpkg -S $(which dpkg-buildpackage ) |
| 15:57.55 | k8to | dpkg-dev: /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:57.58 | penguin42 | mwilson: Have you ever caught a Xerox colour laser trying to send mail? |
| 15:58.05 | k8to | ^ mdadm: your guess was correct |
| 15:58.07 | mwilson | penguin42: No. |
| 15:58.18 | asg | penguin42: we have Kyocera's that do |
| 15:58.29 | mwilson | k8to: Dunno why he'd have to guess... I told him what package it was five minutes ago. |
| 15:58.39 | [Elad] | when I'm enter to the D: partition I have file that look like: fsck0080.rec ... etc... |
| 15:58.42 | penguin42 | mwilson: I caught ours trying to - it was quite proddy looking for mail servers it could use; fortunately it didn't find one - I guess its just stats |
| 15:58.44 | k8to | Question -> I can't find information about root device on raid0 with LILO or grub. Hints anyone? |
| 15:58.45 | [Elad] | please help me |
| 15:58.55 | k8to | by raid0 i mean mdadm |
| 15:58.59 | penguin42 | Elad: Just fsck /dev/whatever |
| 15:59.12 | mwilson | k8to: Sure. Don't bother. What would be the point? |
| 15:59.15 | pipeline | k8to: I think RAID1 is the only supported /boot device. |
| 15:59.25 | k8to | Elad: perhaps you chose to install on umsdos? |
| 15:59.33 | FieldySnuts | jej |
| 15:59.36 | FieldySnuts | heh. rather |
| 15:59.42 | [Elad] | # fsck /dev/sda4 |
| 15:59.43 | [Elad] | fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) |
| 15:59.43 | [Elad] | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 15:59.43 | [Elad] | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 15:59.43 | [Elad] | Differences: (offset:original/backup) |
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| 15:59.47 | k8to | mwilson: saves me from haveing a dumb stub filesystem that I dont really want? |
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| 15:59.54 | penguin42 | k8to: Make a small non-striped for the boot partition |
| 16:00.01 | [Elad] | 3) No action |
| 16:00.01 | pipeline | [Elad]: Your FAT system was broken. |
| 16:00.03 | [Elad] | ? |
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| 16:00.07 | [Elad] | oppss sorry |
| 16:00.08 | pipeline | k8to: You should never use raid0. Use LVM instead. |
| 16:00.18 | penguin42 | pipeline: Hmm |
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| 16:00.27 | [Elad] | pipeline, there is no way to fix it :( ? |
| 16:00.27 | mwilson | k8to: At the cost of much silly complexity. Feh. Invest effort where effort is worthwhile. |
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| 16:00.30 | k8to | pipeline: I have been unable to find decent docs to compare the two |
| 16:00.42 | pipeline | [Elad]: dosfsck is trying to fix it, but it will just break again. |
| 16:00.44 | malex | mwilson: xerox seems to be quite a bit above my current budget, though. |
| 16:00.45 | k8to | pipeline: i understand the extra lvm2 features but not the differences in the core functionality |
| 16:00.52 | pipeline | k8to: RAID-0 increases your chances of losing data exponentially |
| 16:00.53 | k8to | mwilson: it's my time though |
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| 16:00.59 | pipeline | k8to: lvm at least gives you a way out in the future |
| 16:01.06 | k8to | pipeline: i think you should look up the definition of "exponentially" |
| 16:01.08 | k8to | :D |
| 16:01.10 | k8to | but |
| 16:01.11 | pipeline | k8to: that is to say, you could use pvmove or something to migrate to a reasonable system. |
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| 16:01.18 | FieldySnuts | raid0 isn't even a legitimage raid level, zero redundancy |
| 16:01.21 | wishie | i need help with iptables. all i want to do, is share my net connection with the machines on my local network.. |
| 16:01.23 | FieldySnuts | s/age/ate/ |
| 16:01.24 | k8to | if i stripe with mdadm or stripe with lvm i still have the same chance of loss |
| 16:01.27 | [Elad] | so... what can I do now :\ ? how can I fix it? there is very much data there that I need :( |
| 16:01.28 | pipeline | k8to: No, I meant exponentially. If both your drives have the same failure probability, your chances of failure are squared. |
| 16:01.44 | mwilson | Oh, gods... another mdadm user. |
| 16:01.47 | pipeline | k8to: If you stripe with lvm, you can fix it in a couple weeks when you get some money. |
| 16:01.47 | k8to | it is impossible to have "exponential" increase with two datapoints |
| 16:02.02 | pipeline | k8to: Adding a third drive in raid 0 would cube your chances. |
| 16:02.06 | k8to | anyway N^2 is not exponential |
| 16:02.12 | Icehat | doesn't works... |
| 16:02.13 | k8to | 2^N <-exponential |
| 16:02.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart k8to |
| 16:02.32 | k8to | pipeline: yeah anyway, I have a working backup method |
| 16:02.32 | pipeline | k8to: Regardless, RAID-0 is a bad idea. Don't do it. |
| 16:02.40 | Icehat | somebody knows the solution for that X problem that autoruns when exiting it? |
| 16:02.42 | penguin42 | wishie: There are quite a few pretty tools for setting up firewalls; like firestarter and fwbuilder if you don't want to figure all the commandline stuff out; otherwise its the iptables howto |
| 16:02.45 | FieldySnuts | cq cq? |
| 16:02.47 | k8to | pipline: once a day or so, i rsync to an offline drive |
| 16:02.49 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
| 16:02.51 | caphuso | a new version of nn! |
| 16:02.59 | pipeline | k8to: Hard drives are actually less reliable offline than running. |
| 16:02.59 | mwilson | Icehat: You mean the one you were given more than fifteen minutes ago, that you ignored? |
| 16:03.05 | k8to | great |
| 16:03.12 | k8to | but a mirrored raid suffers from rm |
| 16:03.20 | mwilson | caphuso: Seriously? |
| 16:03.24 | caphuso | mwilson: yes |
| 16:03.24 | pipeline | k8to: So what? |
| 16:03.25 | Icehat | can you say wich one? i'm a little bit noobish:p |
| 16:03.26 | k8to | by offline I do not mean powered down anyway |
| 16:03.29 | [Elad] | more idea please :? |
| 16:03.35 | k8to | pipeline: meaning you can lose data due to more than just drive failure |
| 16:03.35 | caphuso | mwilson: ftp://ftp.nndev.org/pub/nn-6.7/nn-6.7alpha.tar.Z |
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| 16:03.45 | pipeline | k8to: Yes, a powered down drive is more likely to fail than a drive that is running. |
| 16:03.52 | k8to | pipeline: by offline I mean umounted |
| 16:04.03 | mwilson | caphuso: What's it got over 6.6.5? |
| 16:04.11 | pipeline | k8to: That doesn't protect you from anything. That's not a backup method any more than RAID is. |
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| 16:04.36 | k8to | pipeline: uh, it is factual that it saves me from both disk failure and from misbehaving software |
| 16:04.41 | FieldySnuts | yes, it's the contest of "i can urinate further" |
| 16:04.44 | FieldySnuts | sponsored by SCO |
| 16:04.45 | k8to | pipeline: it does NOT save me from, eg. fires |
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| 16:05.06 | pipeline | k8to: Hey, I warned you away from raid-0. |
| 16:05.12 | Gumby | is it possible to do a sarge net install from boot floppy? |
| 16:05.15 | FieldySnuts | as did I and as did common sense |
| 16:05.17 | k8to | well if you were giving me correct information I'd have more faith in your warning |
| 16:05.20 | pipeline | Gumby: Yes. |
| 16:05.29 | penguin42 | k8to: You are sure you meen raid-0 not raid-1 ? |
| 16:05.30 | relex | hello; does anyone know how to increase pthread stack size on a 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 16:05.30 | caphuso | mwilson: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.software.nn/browse_thread/thread/76851cfabc20eaaf/93645b19155db059#93645b19155db059 |
| 16:05.32 | k8to | I can have failures with raid0, sure. I can have failures with single drives also! |
| 16:05.37 | k8to | so what! |
| 16:05.39 | [Elad] | there is another command accept fsck that can fix partitions ? |
| 16:05.41 | k8to | if i have a failure I can buy a new drive |
| 16:05.46 | FieldySnuts | you clearly don't understand raid0 and what it's weaknesses are. |
| 16:05.47 | FieldySnuts | have fun |
| 16:05.53 | mwilson | caphuso: Ew, you're using the Beta? |
| 16:05.57 | k8to | I actually do understand it fully |
| 16:06.00 | penguin42 | FS: Perhaps he does understands it but really wants the performance |
| 16:06.05 | FieldySnuts | you just demonstrated you don't. bye now |
| 16:06.06 | caphuso | mwilson: i'm using the sid package |
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| 16:06.11 | k8to | You are incorrect. |
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| 16:06.15 | mwilson | caphuso: Use http://groups.google.ca/ |
| 16:06.15 | k8to | I plan to use raid0 for performance |
| 16:06.25 | helix | what's wrong with the beta? |
| 16:06.25 | FieldySnuts | wasted enough of our time. brb |
| 16:06.29 | mwilson | caphuso: No, I meant the beta of Google Groups. |
| 16:06.33 | k8to | I do not have a need for raid backup because I have alternate backup systems in place |
| 16:06.59 | caphuso | mwilson: i don't use it often enough to actually care |
| 16:07.07 | k8to | okay so |
| 16:07.09 | k8to | my question is: |
| 16:07.09 | pipeline | k8to: You have three drives: Use RAID-5. And get a real backup system. A umounted drive is not a backup. |
| 16:07.34 | k8to | does anyone have any pointers to documentation for using lilo or grub to boot a raid0 system? |
| 16:07.39 | k8to | that was my question |
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| 16:07.41 | jim | raid0 isn't for performance... it's for joining several drives and just using the total storage as one |
| 16:07.48 | mwilson | I always liked nn. |
| 16:07.49 | penguin42 | k8to: I've never seen any raid0 for boting; just raid1 |
| 16:07.51 | jim | or is that raid1? |
| 16:07.57 | k8to | jim: raid0 does increase both write and read performance |
| 16:08.05 | k8to | jim: since you can write and read in parallel |
| 16:08.11 | pipeline | k8to: Lilo and grub won't boot a RAID-0 system. They only do RAID-1. |
| 16:08.19 | k8to | pipeline: thanks! |
| 16:08.27 | pipeline | k8to: There might be a sick hack I don't know about |
| 16:08.27 | penguin42 | k8to: Sacrifice that 50mb chunk for a nice little boot part |
| 16:08.28 | jim | that's good info |
| 16:08.41 | k8to | you'd think lilo would be able to handle it theoretically at least |
| 16:08.43 | usuario | Is there a format I can format my usb stick to be mountable on windows, linux, AND macOS? |
| 16:08.51 | k8to | but, in reality I suppose it does not |
| 16:08.58 | penguin42 | usuario: vfat should be OK |
| 16:09.00 | jim | usuario: iso9660? |
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| 16:09.16 | mwilson | usuario: Sure. The format that was on it when you purchased it will do just fine. |
| 16:09.18 | FieldySnuts | indeed. on software raid it's much less of a pain to just have one non-raid partition for boot |
| 16:09.19 | jim | except that is for read only stuff, you might not like how it works |
| 16:09.21 | k8to | penguin42: i hate boot partitions because I have to guess how many kernels I'll ever have etc |
| 16:09.32 | jim | probably format it as plain msdos |
| 16:09.34 | xoz | usuario: vfat |
| 16:09.35 | FieldySnuts | otherwise you're relying on your initrd to be able to read your boot partition, another point of possible failure (no thanks) |
| 16:09.36 | jim | or vfat |
| 16:09.39 | penguin42 | k8to: Nod - but I just give them 50MB - when was the last time you filled a 50mb boot partition? |
| 16:09.58 | k8to | fieldynuts: i already rely on initrd to be able to read my boot partition |
| 16:10.03 | usuario | I have reformated my stick vfat. Don't remember why. But I don't know how to mount it under an apple computer |
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| 16:10.16 | mwilson | usuario: Easy. You plug it in. |
| 16:10.16 | pipeline | usuario: It will mount normally. |
| 16:10.18 | jim | FieldySnuts: where do most initrd failures stem from? |
| 16:10.26 | k8to | penguin: oh.. I have had to do some kernel testing before with various builds.. but it is unlikely I suppose |
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| 16:10.35 | mwilson | jim: Stupidity on the part of the so-called "admin". |
| 16:10.38 | usuario | I believe I had an error message somewhere in the park of "unreadable format" |
| 16:10.38 | xoz | usuario: it should just be automounted |
| 16:10.46 | k8to | anyway an offline backup is called .. what? |
| 16:10.52 | k8to | CDs which are easily scratched? |
| 16:10.57 | k8to | tape which never works? |
| 16:11.03 | pipeline | k8to: Yes. You're supposed to test your backups periodically. |
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| 16:11.08 | mwilson | Tape never works? Since when? |
| 16:11.09 | usuario | These were OS X eMacs, too. |
| 16:11.12 | penguin42 | k8to: Multiple sets of tapes that you test |
| 16:11.17 | k8to | pipeline: yeah I'm supposed to have an IT staff |
| 16:11.18 | jim | mwilson: can you be more specific and break down the actual failures that occur? is it mainly leaving out drivers from the initrd? |
| 16:11.20 | penguin42 | mwilson: When it is absolutely critical for them not to |
| 16:11.26 | FieldySnuts | no, just supposed to have a clue |
| 16:11.28 | k8to | penguin42: what a big waste of time, this is not some fileserver for a company |
| 16:11.48 | FieldySnuts | yeah we can see how important your data is to you 1) you want to use raid0 2) you aren't backing things up very well |
| 16:11.51 | pipeline | k8to: No, you're just supposed to avoid total idiocy. Like relying on a umounted drive as your only backup. At that point, you're better off with just RAID. |
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| 16:11.56 | penguin42 | k8to: Nod at home I just shove to cd from time to time; but I do raid1 my /home because I do like the security of it, but raid0 everything else |
| 16:11.58 | k8to | I know about tape backup I've done tape rottaion for company server needs |
| 16:12.04 | Raf256 | pipeline- I disagre |
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| 16:12.06 | k8to | pipeline: no, i am not better off with raid |
| 16:12.18 | Raf256 | RAID will not help in case of problems like I had |
| 16:12.18 | mwilson | I back up to a HD, but I take the HD to work and leave it in the vault. :) |
| 16:12.20 | k8to | pipeline: raid allows for software to delete files, hard drive backup does not |
| 16:12.29 | Raf256 | with logical corruption of FS (not the hardware) |
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| 16:12.44 | pipeline | Raf256: How did you manage to corrupt the filesystem? o_0 |
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| 16:12.50 | Raf256 | Imho bet would be to copy to second JDD data each day |
| 16:13.00 | FieldySnuts | JDD? |
| 16:13.02 | Raf256 | pipeline- my computer hang, I had to turn power off |
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| 16:13.03 | jim | mwilson: can you be more specific and break down the actual failures that occur? is it mainly leaving out drivers from the initrd? |
| 16:13.03 | k8to | fieldynuts: for a personal system, i am backing up my data more reliably than any otehr reasonable system |
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| 16:13.16 | pipeline | Raf256: That shouldn't corrupt your filesystem. Let me guess, you were using Reiser. |
| 16:13.23 | jim | mwilson: as you see from people that come here, at least |
| 16:13.23 | k8to | fieldy: I don't have the time to spend hours a week backing up to three tapes and checking them |
| 16:13.26 | Raf256 | pipeline- yes, I was |
| 16:13.31 | k8to | that's just retarded |
| 16:13.32 | pipeline | Raf256: That was your problem. |
| 16:13.39 | Raf256 | ok, shit, I realy should go back to.... to XFS or to ext3 |
| 16:13.45 | penguin42 | pipeline: I've never seen reiser fail that badly before though - problems with certain directories but never lost the lot |
| 16:13.45 | mwilson | k8to: Your data isn't important to you, then. |
| 16:13.46 | FieldySnuts | k8to: your data not ours. see my last two-point statement. |
| 16:13.46 | k8to | hard drive backup is basically the current backup solution that many companies are moving towards |
| 16:13.58 | k8to | because: hard drives are more reliable than tape |
| 16:14.03 | pipeline | k8to: You're not going to get anyone to recommend you use RAID0 or aid you in the process.. Moronism is not encouraged. |
| 16:14.03 | jim | Raf256: what are you using now? |
| 16:14.04 | k8to | and cheaper |
| 16:14.05 | FieldySnuts | since when? |
| 16:14.12 | pipeline | k8to: Hard drives half a shelf life of two years. Tape has a shelf life of fifty. |
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| 16:14.15 | FieldySnuts | bah you are a troll, bbl doing stuff |
| 16:14.15 | Raf256 | jim- reiserfs 3.6 |
| 16:14.16 | penguin42 | k8to: I considered hard drive backup but came to the conclusion I wouldn't trust our offisite tape couriers with them where as I could reasonably with tape |
| 16:14.18 | k8to | pipeline: calling me a moron is a cheap shot, and not justified |
| 16:14.22 | mwilson | I think you'd need to come up with some data to support that, before anyone would agree with you. |
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| 16:14.35 | k8to | penguin42: sure, if you want offsite then hd becomes less attractive |
| 16:14.37 | MobyTurbo | Raf256: ext3 is about the most reliable, XFS write-caches too agressively, it's unsafe unless you have a UPS. |
| 16:14.37 | pipeline | k8to: I called your plan moronism, which is a subtle but important distinction. |
| 16:14.39 | redduck666 | i would like to create some kind of shortcut on my desktop or in my kmenu so i don't have to type root password everytime i want to reboot. any help appriciated |
| 16:14.41 | jim | Raf256: from what I've been hearing, you better back up your partitions :P |
| 16:14.43 | k8to | penguin42: but onsite backup is also important |
| 16:14.53 | k8to | pipeline: yet you hvae still failed to point out any actual problem with it |
| 16:14.57 | pipeline | Raf256: I would also use ext3 unless you have a reason to use XFS. |
| 16:14.58 | penguin42 | k8to: Nod |
| 16:15.00 | FieldySnuts | common sense, is one of them. |
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| 16:15.10 | penguin42 | anyone used jfs ? |
| 16:15.11 | k8to | penguin42: you want both of course |
| 16:15.15 | asg | redduck666: link your icon or whatever to a script that runs sudo /sbin/shutdown |
| 16:15.20 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: for a short time, didn't have problems |
| 16:15.23 | pipeline | penguin42: There are a few JFS users still hanging on by their fingernails |
| 16:15.26 | MobyTurbo | Raf256: XFS is good for *huge* media files, that's what SGI invented it for. |
| 16:15.28 | asg | redduck666: man 5 sudoers |
| 16:15.31 | mwilson | Responsible backup solutions have on-site backups, and rotate tapes off-site for storage as well. |
| 16:15.37 | penguin42 | k8to: We rsync to a machine with a big raid then run it off to tape that offsites |
| 16:15.39 | renato | can someone help me install azureus, i have the repository for it, but not for java2 runtime |
| 16:15.41 | k8to | mwilson: yes of course |
| 16:15.43 | jim | is ext2 the most reliable fs available for linux today? |
| 16:15.49 | Raf256 | so there isnt anything faster then ext3 and as safe? |
| 16:15.49 | pipeline | jim: Yes. |
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| 16:15.52 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: hope you saw what I said earlier about XFS and good power, it's important but I won't beat it into you anymore |
| 16:15.52 | asg | renato: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 16:15.55 | MobyTurbo | jim: ext3 is more reliable than ext2 |
| 16:15.59 | paulswm | jim: No. ext3 is |
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| 16:16.03 | k8to | do you , for your personal workstation, employ offsite tape rotation backup solutions at a storage facility? |
| 16:16.05 | pipeline | Raf256: XFS is "safe," but you are likely to lose data in a power outtage. |
| 16:16.08 | redduck666 | asg, thanks |
| 16:16.10 | xoz | what is reliable? |
| 16:16.11 | DeaLER34 | Is the java runtime 1.4.2 in the debian package list? |
| 16:16.17 | penguin42 | pipeline: Why? Just given that people are dissing xfs, reiser4 and I know people with ext3 probs |
| 16:16.21 | pipeline | Raf256: Don't use it unless you have to. |
| 16:16.22 | asg | DeaLER34: no, /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:16.35 | MobyTurbo | jim: ext3 has ordered writes and journalling, ext2 is async and without journaling so it's more fragile. |
| 16:16.36 | pipeline | penguin42: Reiser isn't in the same category as XFS and ext3. It's not even an option if you intend to actually use the system. |
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| 16:16.42 | mwilson | k8to: No, I back-up to a large HD, then take THAT off-site, and put it in the vault at work, as I said. |
| 16:16.53 | penguin42 | k8to: Hehe no - I use raid1 for the important stuff at home, occasionally run it to cdr |
| 16:16.54 | pipeline | penguin42: XFS has known issues with "sudden" shutdowns, as it uses memory very, very, very aggressively. |
| 16:16.57 | k8to | mwilson: sure, yes, a fine idea if you have such a vault |
| 16:17.12 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: yer bein trolled :) |
| 16:17.15 | k8to | penguin42: so your offlnie storage is CDR, which has easily scratched properties |
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| 16:17.18 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I know. |
| 16:17.25 | Raf256 | how to check size of foobar directory+subfolders |
| 16:17.27 | jim | DeaLER34: no, debian decided they can't distribute... but they also decided to build a tool that makes debian packages out of a handful of the different .bin files that sun, blackdown and ibm provide |
| 16:17.30 | Raf256 | in humn format |
| 16:17.31 | pipeline | penguin42: ext3 is a pretty decent filesystem in and of itself. |
| 16:17.33 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: du -sh path |
| 16:17.33 | k8to | penguin42: I could mock that choice |
| 16:17.33 | penguin42 | k8to: Sure; for work I run 15 sets of tapes offsited |
| 16:17.34 | xoz | pipeline: have you tried reiser? for how long? |
| 16:17.42 | DeaLER34 | because sarge doesn't use lilo. is there a bzgrub when compiling a kernel? |
| 16:17.49 | k8to | of course for personal use it is "safe enough" |
| 16:17.52 | mwilson | k8to: If your CD's are 'easily scratched', on the scale that you're implying... then you're incompetent. |
| 16:17.53 | MobyTurbo | xoz: I have lost data to reiser |
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| 16:17.58 | pipeline | xoz: Yes, but it was Reiser3. My anecdotal experience isn't valid. |
| 16:18.02 | viyyer | Do all debian-based distributions have spt-get incorporated ? |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | !shoot me |
| 16:18.12 | viyyer | Do all debian-based distributions have apt-get incorporated ? |
| 16:18.16 | pipeline | xoz: It fell over and lost half of the root filesystem after a power outtage. I was pretty pissed. |
| 16:18.17 | FieldySnuts | viyyer: how would we know? |
| 16:18.19 | mwilson | DeaLER34: Sure Sarge can use lilo. Where'd you get the idea that it couldn't? |
| 16:18.22 | Raf256 | cp -a will preserve user,group,chmod,data/time, ACL labels and all other data? |
| 16:18.24 | k8to | mwilson: you've never picked up and had the foil peel of a CDR from your fingernail? |
| 16:18.25 | xoz | MobyTurbo: what happened? |
| 16:18.26 | penguin42 | pipeline: Problem is I have seen problems with ext3 on large filesystems and really need some read performance so was looking for alternative |
| 16:18.28 | k8to | mwilson: it happens |
| 16:18.28 | pipeline | viyyer: No debian fork has as much software available as the real debian. |
| 16:18.29 | FieldySnuts | viyyer: ask them, this is for 100% debian not some cheap hack wanna-bes |
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| 16:18.39 | TBBle | viyyer: Debian does. You'd have to ask the other distros if they use it. |
| 16:18.42 | DeaLER34 | I'm afraid to compile a kernel because I'm not sure how to add the image to grub |
| 16:18.42 | pipeline | penguin42: For some value of "large," you may be forced to use XFS for practical reasons :( |
| 16:18.44 | jim | xoz: reiser has been "credited" with total failures after some long period of time |
| 16:18.45 | MobyTurbo | viyyer: no, linspire/lindows has "click and run", a commercial repository that's more out of date than Debian's. |
| 16:18.46 | mwilson | k8to: No, I buy decent quality discs and treat them responsibly. |
| 16:18.47 | k8to | mwilson: but feel free to keep insulting me! that will make you more right |
| 16:19.06 | pipeline | penguin42: I use XFS because ext3 simply wasn't practical when I needed to be able to grow the filesystem and use it at 600G |
| 16:19.07 | jim | ok, so is ext3 the most reliable? |
| 16:19.07 | penguin42 | pipeline: Well I'm only talking about 1.5TB - so I don't know if that is relevant - what practical reasons? |
| 16:19.09 | Leto_II | hi can someone help me? |
| 16:19.10 | paulswm | DeaLER34: dpkg -i will do it for you |
| 16:19.11 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: what you mean you don't head to $LOCALSTORE and get the cheapest shit possible! how dare you! |
| 16:19.20 | k8to | decent quality discs have manufacturing variance still |
| 16:19.21 | pipeline | penguin42: Do you really want to wait an hour for fsck sort of practical reasons :P |
| 16:19.26 | viyyer | my question revolves as .. some have apt-get incorporated.. just a curious query if all are.. |
| 16:19.28 | mwilson | k8to: I said that if circumstances are as you describe, then you're incompetent. That's not an insult, that's simple fact. |
| 16:19.34 | jim | Leto_II: /msg dpkg ask (and then do) /msg dpkg sicco |
| 16:19.36 | viyyer | apt-bindings are really cool |
| 16:19.43 | pipeline | penguin42: Or the fact that ext3 growing isn't really supported |
| 16:19.43 | xoz | pipeline: ive been using reiser for three years without problem. SUSE uses it as their default fs and big companies are using SUSE. i wonder whether what reiser you used. |
| 16:19.45 | Raf256 | tar will store all info about archived data? |
| 16:19.49 | penguin42 | pipeline: Well I shouldn't need to on ext3 should I? Or are you saying xfs is less prone to the failures which mean you occasionally do ? (I don't need to grow) |
| 16:19.49 | pipeline | k8to: What part of TESTING do you not understand? |
| 16:19.49 | Raf256 | including ACL info? |
| 16:19.51 | k8to | it's a simple fact that those with contrary information are incompetent |
| 16:19.53 | mwilson | k8to: Someone who has a problem on that scale, and doesn't do anything about it, shouldn't be in a position to make the decision in the first place. |
| 16:19.54 | pipeline | Raf256: If you use the "p" flag, yes. |
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| 16:20.08 | asg | Raf256: just do a simple test and see. |
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| 16:20.13 | linoleum | hello, is it a bad idea to install KDE and GNOME on the same computer?? |
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| 16:20.15 | k8to | pipeline: media which is known to have failures is not really solvable via testing |
| 16:20.16 | pipeline | penguin42: If you have good power, I wouldn't be afraid to use XFS. |
| 16:20.18 | jim | k8to: simple? fact? contrary to what? :) |
| 16:20.20 | pipeline | linoleum: No, it's perfectly fine. |
| 16:20.23 | FieldySnuts | xoz: same. been using reiser for years at home and work, never had problems. in that time i've seen probs with ext2/3 xfs jfs... shrug, i know what i've found to treat me good. |
| 16:20.25 | asg | linoleum: not in and of itself. |
| 16:20.30 | k8to | pipeline: it is solvable only by redundancy and testing and time |
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| 16:20.43 | k8to | piepline: i mean hell, why not back up to floppy disks.. just test them! |
| 16:20.50 | FieldySnuts | XFS is nice, the deal breaker is that you must have power back up. |
| 16:21.00 | penguin42 | pipeline: In what way does it fail when you lose power? Heavy corruption or just loss of a lot of data that is still in RAM? |
| 16:21.02 | pipeline | k8to: I would not back up to floppies as the media are not at all reliable, even under good storage conditions. |
| 16:21.03 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: ext2 is not in the same reliability catagory as ext3. |
| 16:21.05 | jim | FieldySnuts: why is that? |
| 16:21.07 | xoz | FieldySnuts: i used ext3 but i prefer reiser... btrees data structure is faster. |
| 16:21.08 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: the later |
| 16:21.12 | k8to | yes well tape isn't terribly reliable either |
| 16:21.13 | dambodog | hi, i just finished compiling my own kernel (2.6.11) - when i try to boot into that kernel i get a number of errors: md: md0 stopped (i am running in hardware raid1), EXT3-fs unable to read superblock, /sbin/init:413 : cannot open /dev/console: No such file - kernel panic - not syncing : attempted to kill init |
| 16:21.17 | k8to | but that's the solution that you recommended |
| 16:21.22 | FieldySnuts | jim: because it was designed with data centers in mind, and data centers have very good power backups |
| 16:21.22 | pipeline | penguin42: well, at any given time, a lot of data is in RAM |
| 16:21.29 | FieldySnuts | uh that's totally false. tape IS reliable. |
| 16:21.40 | pipeline | penguin42: And you usually have to manually recover, as XFS will not delete its own journal without the administrator's intervention |
| 16:21.44 | jim | some tape is, some isn't |
| 16:21.53 | k8to | *sigh* |
| 16:21.58 | mwilson | Properly maintained tape is reliable. |
| 16:21.59 | FieldySnuts | don't buy shitty media then |
| 16:21.59 | k8to | i wonder how much experience you actually have |
| 16:22.05 | k8to | anyway |
| 16:22.06 | penguin42 | pipeline: That doesn't really worry me - its just a backup server so data left in ram doesn't worry me - I'm more worried about time to recover if soemthing crashes |
| 16:22.09 | pipeline | penguin42: i.e. in the case of a power outtage, you usually end up with a not-entirely-correct journal. You need to delete it, losing the queued changes. It will not automate this. |
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| 16:22.12 | FieldySnuts | k8to: we wonder the same about you, you show just about none, or a complete lack of common sense |
| 16:22.15 | jim | some tape drives are reliable, some are not |
| 16:22.15 | Raf256 | the bay way to havecheap data |
| 16:22.16 | paulswm | One can compare reliability by doing backups on both tape and removable hard drive, dropping each on a stone floor and seeing which one restores better |
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| 16:22.29 | Raf256 | is having free mail with 1 GB capacity - lots of dopes offer it |
| 16:22.31 | pipeline | paulswm: That, or wait five years and see which one restores at all. |
| 16:22.40 | dambodog | any ideas how to resolve that issue? |
| 16:22.40 | emp | what's the best tool to make DVD sized ISO's out of a large (15gig) directory tree? |
| 16:22.42 | Raf256 | tar && GPG encrypt && send to self the backup :) |
| 16:22.46 | k8to | fieldynuts: well, given how insulting you folks are, and how reasoanble I'm being, I'd use that as the first metric of guessing experience in the field. |
| 16:22.51 | pipeline | dambodog: Bad initrd. |
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| 16:22.55 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: you can't use it like that, there are usually limits on file sizes, per-day transfer etc |
| 16:23.02 | pipeline | dambodog: I suggest you install a stock kernel. |
| 16:23.16 | k8to | I"m kind of shocked how unpleasant this channel is. I came to ask a simple question, and have to put up with being harassed for 5 minutes before anyone will consider answering it. |
| 16:23.17 | renato | i installed the java-packages but it still says broken packages for azureus |
| 16:23.18 | dambodog | pipeline, what do you mean by stock? |
| 16:23.22 | pipeline | Raf256: Heh, somebody actually wrote a gmail-filesystem for linux. They then imposed the limitations. |
| 16:23.22 | FieldySnuts | k8to: you haven't been reasonable once here that I've seen. shown yourself to have no common sense, and if you have experience, severely flawed |
| 16:23.24 | k8to | I'm grateful that it was answered, however, I thank you for that. |
| 16:23.27 | penguin42 | k8to: Weird isn't it |
| 16:23.28 | pipeline | dambodog: A kernel package provided by debian. |
| 16:23.31 | k8to | fieldynuts: more insults |
| 16:23.31 | Raf256 | FieldySnuts- hmm ok, but for sending self the .diff of todays work it seems perfact :) |
| 16:23.35 | k8to | fieldynuts: grow up. |
| 16:23.36 | asg | renato: which java packages did you install? |
| 16:23.47 | FieldySnuts | k8to: right, you came here, asked questions, and refuse the suggestions. that's why it got hostile here. bye now. |
| 16:24.06 | FieldySnuts | the fact no one else is agreeing with you should say something. |
| 16:24.07 | jim | hard drives have a LOT of moving parts that have very close physical and electrical tolerances... tape cartridges don't have any, tape drives don't need the same tolerances either electrically or physically |
| 16:24.16 | k8to | It was hostile from the start, and you told me my decisions were wrong, before asking what they were based on. |
| 16:24.18 | dambodog | pipeline, the last one that was provided in apt sources was 2.6.8? |
| 16:24.28 | pipeline | dambodog: So? |
| 16:24.30 | FieldySnuts | you're in a channel with quite a lot of experienced administrators and engineers, please discard what we say, go on. |
| 16:24.31 | renato | asg i have no idea, i ran the command "apt-get install java-package" from the unstable repositories |
| 16:24.35 | k8to | However, some people did agree with me. |
| 16:24.39 | pipeline | dambodog: Can you even name a feature of 2.6.11 that you need? |
| 16:24.43 | penguin42 | jim: I have had some bad experiences with tape drives - but I still use them because it feels like the best of bad choices |
| 16:24.45 | Raf256 | ./.* <-- it means "all hidden files and dirs in current dir" right? |
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| 16:24.57 | dambodog | pipeline, that's fine:) as long as i can customise my kernel |
| 16:24.59 | FieldySnuts | Raf256: and if you don't watch it, ./.. as well |
| 16:25.07 | k8to | What I find surprising is that despite all your experience, most of the information I was given was factually flawed. |
| 16:25.10 | Raf256 | FieldySnuts- ? |
| 16:25.12 | jim | k8to: it's not personal... look at how many people are here, and how hard helpers or even people who act as helpers get hit |
| 16:25.14 | penguin42 | jim: Thing is that with hard drives each copy is essentially indepedent, with tape you do run the risk of say a slowly deteriorating drive causing problems on multiple copies |
| 16:25.15 | pipeline | dambodog: Why are you customizing the kernel at all? |
| 16:25.17 | asg | renato: and did you read the 'java-package' factoid as instructed in the 'install java' factoid? |
| 16:25.23 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: There are also a lot of people with no clue, which doesn't stop them holding bad opinions or being agressive |
| 16:25.23 | FieldySnuts | k8to: geez. what you're saying exactly fits what YOU have said. just go away already., |
| 16:25.32 | k8to | Often it was a matter of incompleteness, but surely experienced admins should be aware of issues of being incomplete. |
| 16:25.35 | penguin42 | FieldySnuts: No, please you |
| 16:25.37 | pipeline | dambodog: I'm proud to say I haven't configured a kernel in nearly a year. There's no reason to do it any more. |
| 16:25.40 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: hmm? |
| 16:25.44 | nvz | Raf256: thats not good, it will travel backwards |
| 16:25.44 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Ignore the troll and he'll go away. |
| 16:25.50 | Raf256 | nvz- shit |
| 16:25.50 | k8to | I mean, when you're a professional troubleshooter, you should know better than to be loose with your descriptions. |
| 16:25.50 | penguin42 | FieldySnuts: You seem to like to tell everyone to piss off |
| 16:25.50 | FieldySnuts | nah, it's too fun. |
| 16:25.54 | mwilson | pipeline: Surely you're not using Debian kernels? |
| 16:25.54 | renato | um...no |
| 16:25.55 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: piss off. |
| 16:25.57 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 16:25.58 | pipeline | mwilson: I am indeed. |
| 16:26.00 | renato | :/ |
| 16:26.05 | Raf256 | nvz- so how can I get all hidden files in currentdir? |
| 16:26.07 | mwilson | pipeline: Ew. |
| 16:26.07 | renato | i will then |
| 16:26.18 | nvz | Raf256: with? ls? |
| 16:26.18 | FieldySnuts | anyway people are asking me to stop responding to the troll, so I will |
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| 16:26.24 | pipeline | mwilson: That was my initial reaction, but I was in a hurry. And then I realized that this is the way it should always have been. |
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| 16:26.26 | jim | Raf256: how would you know a file is hidden? |
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| 16:26.29 | Raf256 | nvz- how to put all hidden files/dirs from current dir into a .tgz? |
| 16:26.35 | Raf256 | jim- name starts with a dot |
| 16:26.36 | dambodog | pipeline, i am building a couple of servers in the same configuration - i need the serverRaid componet from kernel 2.6.8 - all my server should run with the same kernel config. i don't need all the extras that come on the kernel |
| 16:26.42 | k8to | FieldySnuts: Well, no, because I am describing a sitution which just occurred. This includes: no presumption, no default hostility. This makes me quite different from you. |
| 16:26.43 | greycat | jim: because it keeps snickering and saying "you can't see me!" |
| 16:26.45 | Raf256 | so... tar -czf backup.tgz `ls ./.*` ? |
| 16:26.51 | renato | will i have to build the java package from suns non free |
| 16:26.52 | FieldySnuts | k8to: i'm not reading anything you say to me any longer. |
| 16:26.53 | mwilson | pipeline: You mean they're actually better these days than the previous "throw the patch at the wall and see if it sticks" mentality? |
| 16:26.56 | greycat | Raf256: no. |
| 16:27.01 | Raf256 | so..? |
| 16:27.01 | penguin42 | Raf256: tar the whole directory is normally hte safe way |
| 16:27.02 | k8to | FieldySnuts: That is just as well. |
| 16:27.05 | FieldySnuts | zzzzzzzip it!!! |
| 16:27.09 | paulswm | k8to: I regret that you've had a bad experience, as you obviously know your subject. |
| 16:27.14 | pipeline | mwilson: I don't know about that... |
| 16:27.17 | greycat | Raf256: tar xzf ../backup.tgz . |
| 16:27.20 | greycat | err. |
| 16:27.24 | Delph | but if you know your subject, then why ask for help about it |
| 16:27.24 | greycat | Raf256: tar czf ../backup.tgz . |
| 16:27.25 | Raf256 | penguin42- whole dir has 15 GB and is too big, I would like to backup the settings with are in ~/.* |
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| 16:27.28 | FieldySnuts | Delph: heh |
| 16:27.30 | k8to | paulswm: it's okay, it's always the result here. It just shocks me every time. |
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| 16:27.37 | penguin42 | Raf256: Ah fair enough |
| 16:27.43 | pipeline | dambodog: I strongly suggest you just use the stock kernels. There's nothing to fuck up. It will "just work" and whoever administrates the servers after you will have an easier time of it. |
| 16:27.44 | greycat | !smite whoever made tar's "c" and "x" flags opposites, but on keys that are adjacent. |
| 16:27.48 | jim | Raf256: ok, so try to ls only the hidden files, and come up with one or more phrases that specify all of them |
| 16:27.57 | Raf256 | greycat- hmm no, how to backup _only_hidden files from curent dir |
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| 16:27.59 | ugarit | besides squirrelmail what other mail reader is there for a webbrowser? |
| 16:28.05 | jim | Raf256: what is the second character of most hidden files like? |
| 16:28.06 | asg | greycat: only on qwerty keyboards |
| 16:28.10 | greycat | Raf256: that's utterly insane. |
| 16:28.10 | grant3 | can someone help me get X working? I tried changing to the savage driver (was using vesa)...X won't start. The vid card is an onboard ProSavage8 KM266. XF86 log is posted at http://csaitforums.dyndns.org/XFree86log.txt if it helps. |
| 16:28.10 | penguin42 | k8to: You mean the way you get burnt to a crisp for the fact that you like anything different from someone on the channel - even your breakfast cerial ? |
| 16:28.21 | greycat | Raf256: but if you REALLY insist... man bash, search for "dotglob", and have fun. |
| 16:28.31 | mwilson | pipeline: Do they still conveniently forget to ship a list of what patches are included in the kernel? |
| 16:28.34 | justin | Raf256: wtf did you put in ~ that is 15G |
| 16:28.34 | jim | Raf256: (remember that the special dirs . and .. start with . too, and are therefore hidden) |
| 16:28.34 | Raf256 | greycat- why instane? I dont have room to backup entire home dir, but I want to backup all settings, with are in hidden dirs |
| 16:28.35 | takatumi | would debian run on touch screen kiosks for an online banking solution? |
| 16:28.40 | SuperNull | damn .. kernel is taking for ever to compile on this 600mhz. |
| 16:28.40 | pipeline | k8to: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/innocenceabused.htm |
| 16:28.43 | penguin42 | takatumi: Yeh should |
| 16:28.45 | k8to | penguin42: i'm baffled that people waste time trying to argue with people about background. It seems a collosal waste of everyone's time. |
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| 16:28.52 | Raf256 | jim- well the regexp is "\..*" but how to use it |
| 16:28.54 | penguin42 | k8to: Yeh |
| 16:28.56 | greycat | Raf256: if i have to explain it, you're lost already. |
| 16:28.58 | pipeline | k8to: Actually, you got an answer in less than two minutes. |
| 16:29.05 | k8to | pipeline: yes, that was great! |
| 16:29.07 | greycat | EVERYTHING in /home is sacred unless EXPLICITLY marked otherwise. |
| 16:29.08 | xoz | Raf256: you can also play with find |
| 16:29.17 | penguin42 | pipeline: But then people firebombed him which wasn't |
| 16:29.20 | dambodog | pipeline, one of my main reasons to cutomise my kernel is to load the serverRaid option which supports my hardware raid. otherwise i'll have to go with software raid which i don't like |
| 16:29.25 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: he got lots and ignored it. he knew better. you know, the classic ask a question and "no i know better" routine. |
| 16:29.25 | greycat | if you aren't backing up /home you're in DEEP shit. |
| 16:29.29 | k8to | pipeline: that misses the mark, i'm not innocent, the channel is just hostile. |
| 16:29.45 | FieldySnuts | mm food |
| 16:29.46 | k8to | I'm a pissant I admit, but not BEFORE it was unpleasant. |
| 16:29.58 | mwilson | Ok, there's another reason not to bother with acroread... |
| 16:30.04 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: wassat |
| 16:30.04 | penguin42 | mwilson: ? |
| 16:30.07 | Raf256 | greycat- oh my god. I do not HAVE SPACE to store eintre /home/myuser so I want to atelast save /home/myuser/work and all my settings! |
| 16:30.07 | k8to | acroread :~( |
| 16:30.15 | jim | Raf256: also remember that (traditionally expressed) regular expressions and filename globbing are two different things |
| 16:30.22 | greycat | Raf256: put your pr0n somewhere else, you festering twit. |
| 16:30.29 | FieldySnuts | HEHE add that to quotes |
| 16:30.30 | conreyt | lol |
| 16:30.32 | greycat | Raf256: or backup all of /home EXCEPT /home/raf256/pr0n |
| 16:30.33 | takatumi | Raf256: clean it up. |
| 16:30.41 | pipeline | mwilson: I've never looked. |
| 16:30.50 | justin | dambodog: what option do you think you need to enable that is not already on by default? |
| 16:30.51 | Raf256 | greycat- I do not have pr0n,I just jave girlfriend, not every one is like You, You know ;) |
| 16:31.01 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:31.02 | greycat | Raf256: whatEVER. |
| 16:31.02 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: If you disable javascript (as any sane person would do), then when you open a PDF containing some, it witters at you about it being disabled. Not when you open the document, that'd make too much sense, but when you try to *exit* acroread. |
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| 16:31.05 | pipeline | dambodog: You should be able to build serveraid without a custom kernel. |
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| 16:31.13 | nvz | grant3: maybe try with the "vesa" driver.. its hard to say from that log what the problem is, its catching a signal 11. I have the same mobo here I think, and I had more minor problems with the savage driver. |
| 16:31.18 | k8to | penguin42: it seems a lot of tools manually remove .. from .* |
| 16:31.23 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: cute, do you get the bonus of a warning for each instance of javashit? |
| 16:31.29 | k8to | penguin42: in bash you can achieve the same with some .. unpleasant GLOBIGNORE hackery |
| 16:31.32 | asuffield | presumably the logic here runs "greycat is married, therefore must produce pr0n" |
| 16:31.41 | penguin42 | k8to: Yeh I'm just never sure which ones do and which don't |
| 16:31.45 | greycat | k8to: you mean "extglob". that would be the next thing. |
| 16:31.53 | Raf256 | so.... no one knows how to copy / move / tar / etc only hidden directories :O ? |
| 16:31.53 | jim | k8to: like the globber itself, unless you specify otherwise |
| 16:31.55 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: No, it only warns you once. |
| 16:31.59 | grant3 | nvz: but with the vesa driver I get no acceleration at all...which REALLY sucks. Video at 3fps is not fun |
| 16:31.59 | greycat | Raf256: I FUCKING TOLD YOU! |
| 16:32.03 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 16:32.15 | k8to | greycat: i think that's the better way to do it |
| 16:32.16 | nvz | grant3: haha.. like your onboard S3 can do acceleration anyhow :P |
| 16:32.32 | xoz | somebody needs *spoon-feeding* |
| 16:32.34 | grant3 | nvz: it can. Not much, but some is better than none. |
| 16:32.47 | k8to | fuzzy on the extglob, i last touched it in 99 |
| 16:32.52 | Raf256 | no, greycat, YOu didnt, You only gave me an brilliant advice "greycatRaf256: put your pr0n somewhere else, you festering twit." |
| 16:32.56 | ugarit | besides squirrelmail what other mail reader is there for a webbrowser? |
| 16:32.57 | nvz | grant3: acceleration doesnt come from the X driver anyhow.. you need kernel drivers for the video card to be able to actually crunch the data |
| 16:33.00 | k8to | ever since i've fought a war against dotfiles |
| 16:33.03 | justin | !tell ugarit about search |
| 16:33.12 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: At least it didn't try to integrate itself into Mozilla... it'd be shot with extreme prejudice for that one. |
| 16:33.14 | jim | Raf256: there is a lot to linux... you generally have to learn stuff when you do new things... people might know things, but it's better for you to learn how to do things yourself |
| 16:33.15 | penguin42 | nvz: Not true except for some 3d |
| 16:33.19 | asg | ugarit: apt-cache search webmail |
| 16:33.25 | grant3 | nvz: if you have the same onboard, what problem do you have? |
| 16:33.28 | pipeline | k8to: While I'm being a prick, adding disks to a RAID-0 is indeed an exponential curve as far as failure risk. |
| 16:33.49 | Raf256 | jim- Yeah, I ussualy do it, but now Im working on failing HDD and I just want to quickly backup my data so.... ;) |
| 16:33.52 | grant3 | nvZ: and could you send me your XF86Config file? |
| 16:33.52 | k8to | pipeline: yeah I was showing my language pet peeves |
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| 16:34.02 | pipeline | k8to: Yes, and you were wrong. :) |
| 16:34.09 | k8to | pipieline: i think you mean that the unreliability increases exponentially with the number of disks |
| 16:34.11 | FieldySnuts | let the flogging begin |
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| 16:34.17 | Phated | *flog* |
| 16:34.19 | nvz | grant3: mine just put an "X" in the middle of the scren, that everything fell under and it would not move. worked fine when I changed it to vesa... I am not worried about accell, I know I have a shitty s3 card, and a 14" monitor |
| 16:34.21 | FieldySnuts | Phated! |
| 16:34.25 | k8to | pipeline: you can't actually have X be exponentially higher than Y |
| 16:34.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts, dahling, how are you. |
| 16:34.32 | FieldySnuts | i knew that would get her attention |
| 16:34.32 | nvz | grant3: I am going to get me an nvidia card someday :P |
| 16:34.34 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 16:34.41 | dambodog | justin, pipeline , i've install from a d-i cd, the 2.6 kernel option on the cd could not recognize or load the right module to the kernel to mount the two sata hd's on my machine not to talk about the hardware raid serverRaid (adaptec). i had to choose the 2.4 option, disable the hardware raid on my bios and go with the software raid for it to work. The 2.6.x kernel has support for the serverRaid and should pickup the two sata hd's. so i won't n |
| 16:34.41 | dambodog | eed the software raid. but so far it is not working:/ |
| 16:34.42 | takatumi | Phated: don't see you around here much these days. |
| 16:34.51 | grant3 | nvz: no video playing I can deal with...but watching the lag from scrolling in firefox I can't stand. |
| 16:34.57 | Phated | takatumi: Life calls, you know. |
| 16:35.00 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 16:35.00 | pipeline | k8to: You certainly can. With RAID-1, your failure risk is constant. With RAID-0, the curve is exponential. |
| 16:35.00 | k8to | pipiepline: but raid0 only increases failure geometrically |
| 16:35.02 | FieldySnuts | she's busy with lewdness lessons |
| 16:35.09 | FieldySnuts | oh christ here we go again |
| 16:35.13 | FieldySnuts | can you guys take it somewhere else? |
| 16:35.24 | jim | Raf256: so when you say "doesn't anyone know how to _____", the answer is probably "yes someone does", but also "that someone probably just told 10 people how in the space of the past 5 mins and repeated for each one so they are tired of doing so" |
| 16:35.25 | abrotman | you who? |
| 16:35.33 | FieldySnuts | pipeline / k8to |
| 16:35.37 | k8to | pipeline: if your failure rate with a single disk is N, your failure rate with two disks is 2N |
| 16:35.39 | nvz | grant3: I wouldnt know I've been using links2, cause my monitor struggles to even start X at 640x480, so I cant use apps with a shitload of chrome |
| 16:35.44 | greycat | FieldySnuts: but they're the only ones on topic |
| 16:35.50 | FieldySnuts | greycat: true :( |
| 16:35.50 | k8to | FieldySnuts: i thought you were poing to put me on ignore |
| 16:35.56 | pipeline | k8to: no, your failure rate with two disks is N^2. With three disks, it's N^3. And so on. |
| 16:36.01 | FieldySnuts | k8to: got lazy. |
| 16:36.11 | k8to | FieldySnuts: well get cracking |
| 16:36.14 | FieldySnuts | nah |
| 16:36.22 | k8to | pipeline: err yes you are right of course |
| 16:36.25 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I couldn't possibly have lewdness lessons without you. |
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| 16:36.45 | greycat | Phated: oh, I think you could find substitutes |
| 16:36.59 | abrotman | use thomas_adam! |
| 16:37.05 | Phated | o.O |
| 16:37.05 | takatumi | or sussudio |
| 16:37.08 | jim | Raf256: while we're all sorry to hear about your hd, your emergency is not ours too... sorry, but that's the way it is, and not just here but pretty much in every -good- free help resource there is |
| 16:37.12 | grant3 | nvZ: well that sucks...guess I have to find a POS video card...any idea how well a Voodoo3 or RageII card will work? |
| 16:37.15 | Phated | greycat: Oh believe me, it's hard to find someone as lewd as FieldySnuts. |
| 16:37.22 | takatumi | ~dog fart |
| 16:37.23 | apt | i guess dog fart is when a big black man puts his alabama black snake in a small white man's ass... |
| 16:37.23 | k8to | pipeline: but all I was saying is, you suggested my specific failure rate would be expontially greater |
| 16:37.23 | penguin42 | grant3: Voodoo3s work OK |
| 16:37.24 | Lexxus | complete lockup of KDE 3.2 desktop, is there a way to return to linux (debian 3.1) without rebooting? |
| 16:37.30 | k8to | pipeline: and well, you can't have exponentially greater |
| 16:37.31 | greycat | takatumi: gods, *that* one is still in there? |
| 16:37.42 | greycat | !forget dog fart |
| 16:37.42 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'dog fart' to forget, greycat |
| 16:37.45 | k8to | since greater is X > Y |
| 16:37.45 | takatumi | greycat: it was only removed from dpkg iirc |
| 16:37.46 | greycat | ~forget dog fart |
| 16:37.46 | apt | i forgot dog fart, greycat |
| 16:37.50 | grant3 | penguin42: ok as in X works, or ok as in I can play videos and some basic games? |
| 16:37.52 | nvz | grant3: afaic if its not nVidia it sux,, heh nvidia makes good software to go with their cards. it just works :P |
| 16:37.54 | penguin42 | Lexxus: That depends what actually locked up - try ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 16:37.58 | greycat | that was one of Fend0r's, wasn't it? |
| 16:38.17 | takatumi | greycat: sussudio iirc :) |
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| 16:38.21 | k8to | anyway, time to go play with parted |
| 16:38.22 | penguin42 | grant3: X will work; not sure about video acceleration, 3d should work but its old, hell knows when the code was last tested |
| 16:38.29 | Lexxus | penguin42: no response :( |
| 16:38.30 | greycat | takatumi: I'm pretty sure it predates sussudio |
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| 16:38.38 | penguin42 | Lexxus: OK, try ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 16:38.40 | Phated | I thought nothing predated sussudio. :) |
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| 16:38.42 | grant3 | penguin42: ok, guess it can't hurt to try it |
| 16:38.45 | mwilson | Damn... it's acroread *itself*. |
| 16:38.46 | greycat | ~factinfo dog fart #DEL# |
| 16:38.46 | apt | there's no such factoid as dog fart #del#, greycat |
| 16:38.50 | greycat | damn. |
| 16:38.53 | penguin42 | mwilson: What you found with it? |
| 16:38.56 | Lexxus | penguin42: nope :( |
| 16:39.04 | penguin42 | Lexxus: Can you log on from another machine? |
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| 16:39.18 | greycat | @factinfo dog fart |
| 16:39.21 | ravenbird | dog fart -- created by wotan <~wotan@63.238.106.2> at Mon Feb 24 17:32:11 2003 (759 days); last modified at Tue Feb 25 14:21:26 2003 by sussudio; it has been requested once, last by greycat, 7s ago. |
| 16:39.24 | mwilson | penguin42: Open just acroread, no PDF. Tell it to disable javascript. Then try to exit. It witters at you. |
| 16:39.25 | Raf256 | what was the regexp for "any character that is NOT letter X"? |
| 16:39.32 | chefkoch | need support installing nvidias nforce4 driver |
| 16:39.37 | greycat | @forget dog fart |
| 16:39.38 | ravenbird | i forgot dog fart, greycat |
| 16:39.40 | Lexxus | penguin42: negative :(( |
| 16:39.41 | mwilson | I am *not* interested in the opinion of the software regarding Java. |
| 16:39.47 | Icehat | somebody experiences with Libranet? |
| 16:39.53 | abrotman | !libranet |
| 16:39.53 | dpkg | it has been said that libranet is a Debian based distribution that includes many enhancements such as: updated packages, including GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. More information at the Libranet homepage: http://libranet.com, or non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing), or there is/was a channel #libranet, but it ... |
| 16:40.04 | markybob | chefkoch /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:40.08 | chefkoch | i don t know, where to start. |
| 16:40.11 | TBBle | Raf256: [^X] |
| 16:40.11 | penguin42 | mwilson: Hmm that is odd |
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| 16:40.21 | mwilson | penguin42: No, that's Adobe. |
| 16:40.21 | chefkoch | $ the nforce4 modules? |
| 16:40.34 | jim | they count "updated packages" among their -enhancements-? then they must not care as much about stability |
| 16:40.41 | markybob | chefkoch sorry, i misread |
| 16:40.45 | markybob | chefkoch what's the problem? |
| 16:40.51 | takatumi | greycat: how should this be parsed? "irclogs/freenode/dpkg.log:2004-12-21 20:20:39<dpkg> Factoid search of 'sussudio' by value (15 shown; 58 total): dutch ;; annoy sussusio #DEL# ;; private massage ;; annoy sussudio #DEL# ;; badger/os ;; cmd: badgersmite (.*?) ;; qotd67 ;; sussudiosmack #DEL# ;; sign sussudio #DEL# ;; start a factoid war ;; ikea ;; scare sussudio ;; 'where ;; macos_8.5 ;; *dogfart* #DEL#"? |
| 16:40.54 | Lexxus | penguin42: then i guess a reboot is the only way, can i get any useful info afterwards? |
| 16:41.01 | pyr3 | Where can I find a list of the boot options that can be passed to the kernel? Can I specify a runlevel in the boot options? |
| 16:41.05 | Icehat | some negative things at Libranet? something why i should NOT use it or maybe positive things? |
| 16:41.12 | dambodog | justin, pipeline - do you guys have any suggestions how to load that mod onto the kernel at boot with 2.6? i've tried the aic7xxx options and all the rest. the module for that particular hardware raid is not present on the cd |
| 16:41.17 | greycat | takatumi: dogfart vs. dog fart |
| 16:41.27 | takatumi | oh there are more? |
| 16:41.30 | greycat | takatumi: or *dogfart* if those stars weren't added by you |
| 16:41.38 | pipeline | dambodog: I thought you were trying to build it separately? |
| 16:41.39 | streuner | pyr3: search for kerneloptions.txt in the documentation of linux source |
| 16:41.43 | markybob | chefkoch talk in here |
| 16:41.48 | mwilson | pyr3: You have no reason to specify a runlevel to the kernel at boot. |
| 16:41.50 | takatumi | greycat: I added those for visibility. |
| 16:41.52 | pipeline | dambodog: install the appropriate kernel-headers |
| 16:42.05 | markybob | chefkoch you downloaded the nforce drivers. then what? |
| 16:42.14 | markybob | chefkoch dude, stop /msging me |
| 16:42.24 | streuner | pyr3: what's the problem? |
| 16:42.31 | penguin42 | Lexxus: It depends what broke; you can look in /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog to see if there is anything |
| 16:42.32 | dambodog | pipeline, i am but i thought you told me to use a stock kernel |
| 16:42.40 | pyr3 | mwilson, I wanted a way to specify to the bootloader to start with a certain runlevel that I can choose at the boot menu. That's all |
| 16:42.46 | nvz | pyr3: 'Linux single' or 'Linux init=/bin/bash' |
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| 16:42.49 | pipeline | dambodog: You can use a stock kernel with modules you build yourself |
| 16:42.49 | greycat | takatumi: he might have made a modification to it, but not been the original |
| 16:42.54 | mdadm | i remember back in the early 90s everyone was msging each other...seems like that trend has stopped:) |
| 16:42.55 | penguin42 | Lexxus: If ctrl-alt-backspace and ctrl-alt-f1 don't help then its unlikely it was KDE/X's fault |
| 16:42.58 | takatumi | greycat: ah. |
| 16:43.04 | mwilson | pyr3: What problem are you actually trying to solve? |
| 16:43.08 | nvz | pyr3: in debian all run levels are configured equally by default |
| 16:43.12 | dambodog | pipeline, good. i think that i would do that. |
| 16:43.17 | dambodog | pipeline, thanks. |
| 16:43.21 | paulswm | nvz: Not runlevel 1 |
| 16:43.23 | nvz | pyr3: so booting to a different one, produces no effect what so ever |
| 16:43.27 | markybob | chefkoch so. what's your problem? |
| 16:43.34 | nvz | paulswm: I already mentioned that |
| 16:43.38 | xoz | Lexxus: how big is your RAM? |
| 16:43.42 | pyr3 | I'm not trying to solve a problem so much as configure two runlevels, one that starts up GDM and one that doesn't so that I can select at boot time which I want. |
| 16:43.55 | jim | pyr3: as evidenced by a recent exchange where I asked mwilson for specific information backing up one of his slights, mwilson does not do "useful" here, almost never. |
| 16:44.04 | chefkoch | while running the install, he tolds me that there are no precompiled kernel modules for my kernel |
| 16:44.07 | greycat | pyr3: have fun. ls /etc/rc[23].d; rm /etc/rc3.d/whatever |
| 16:44.12 | mwilson | jim: Excuse me? |
| 16:44.12 | takatumi | don't the bots sync to dpkg? |
| 16:44.15 | markybob | chefkoch ok. so? |
| 16:44.24 | chefkoch | i want to compile by mysqlf, but wat packages do i need |
| 16:44.25 | FieldySnuts | <mwilson> pyr3: What problem are you actually trying to solve? and I suppose that's not trying to help |
| 16:44.26 | Lexxus | penguin42: that is a very personal question ha ha ... the crashed machine has 256MB |
| 16:44.28 | Raf256 | jim- tar -czf /backup `ls -a | egrep "^\.[^.].*"` seems to tar all hidden files \o/ |
| 16:44.31 | paulswm | pyr3: You shouldn't have to justify what you're trying to do, yes, you can sepcify runlevel at boot time |
| 16:44.33 | pyr3 | greycat, I know how to change the runlevels. I just want ot know how to select them at boot |
| 16:44.34 | mwilson | pyr3: Uh, who cares? Let X start. Just switch to another VT. |
| 16:44.39 | markybob | chefkoch kernel-headers for your kernel. build-essential |
| 16:44.40 | FieldySnuts | Lexxus: ... heh |
| 16:44.41 | chefkoch | want to compile the debian way |
| 16:44.46 | streuner | pyr3: why not just remove the symlink for gdm, you can start gdm whenever you want? |
| 16:44.49 | greycat | pyr3: kernel boot parameters. |
| 16:44.49 | jim | (result of my asking twice with a clarification on the second time: mwilson did not respond, so his slight was the only thing standing.) |
| 16:44.53 | chefkoch | and theres the problem i think |
| 16:44.57 | markybob | chefkoch you dont have to recompile your kernel. just downoad the headers for it from apt |
| 16:45.05 | mwilson | jim: Do I get to know what you're going on about? |
| 16:45.18 | jim | why? you didn't respond to me :) |
| 16:45.20 | Gumby | I have an old laptop here that doesnt have an onboard NIC and I dont have a pcmcia wired card with me. I do have an orinoco and a hostap wireless card. Does the default 2.6 or 2.4 kernel on the netinstall sarge iso have modules for either of these cards? |
| 16:45.26 | jim | you have your logs |
| 16:45.28 | greycat | mwilson: apparently he's trying to Prove Something. |
| 16:45.29 | chefkoch | my kernel is stock 2.6.8-12 k8 amd64 |
| 16:45.29 | paulswm | pyr3: and I think there's a HOWTO at tldp.org which lists all the boot options |
| 16:45.33 | chefkoch | or so |
| 16:45.36 | markybob | Gumby orinoco, yeah |
| 16:45.42 | xoz | Lexxus: from time to time, X bomb? do you experience this often? |
| 16:45.49 | chefkoch | cant find the kernel source |
| 16:46.00 | markybob | chefkoch i'm not sure what your point is. you dont need kernel source. i told you, kernel-headers |
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| 16:46.13 | chefkoch | ah, ok! |
| 16:46.14 | mwilson | Oh, he has a problem with my pointing out the cluelessness of the average pseudo-admin. |
| 16:46.21 | FieldySnuts | poor thing |
| 16:46.21 | markybob | chefkoch apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 16:46.32 | pyr3 | greycat, Not really trying to prove something, so much as configure my linux install exactly how I want it, then I'll image it. |
| 16:46.45 | greycat | pyr3: Prove Something was not about you. |
| 16:46.48 | chefkoch | is the suffix -12 an build from 2.6.8? |
| 16:46.59 | pyr3 | Err my bad. |
| 16:47.02 | chefkoch | are that the same headers? |
| 16:47.19 | greycat | chefkoch: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:47.19 | Lexxus | xoz: no, this is the first time it has locked up |
| 16:47.29 | greycat | chefkoch: if they don't exist, then your kernel is no longer in Debian, and you need a new one. |
| 16:47.32 | xoz | Lexxus: are you using sid? |
| 16:47.36 | jim | mwilson: a small problem, yes, -after- you did not respond to my clarification question, an honest answer to which would have resulted in useful information |
| 16:47.57 | chefkoch | a new one? |
| 16:48.06 | chefkoch | i think, its up to date |
| 16:48.09 | Lexxus | xoz: 3.1 .. is that sid? |
| 16:48.15 | chefkoch | should i take 2.6.9? |
| 16:48.17 | jim | as it stands we only have your slight. |
| 16:48.20 | takatumi | mwilson: is it wrong to have this in /etc/fstab for a camera and a usbstick? "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto sync,noauto,user,exec 0 0" |
| 16:48.26 | markybob | i officially have a headache. |
| 16:48.27 | greycat | chefkoch: if "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" worked, then yes, it's fine. |
| 16:48.38 | greycat | my GOD, how fucking EXPLICIT do you have to BE in this benighted place? |
| 16:48.40 | jim | btw, I'm still interested in answer to same... |
| 16:48.49 | paulswm | roh-roh, CAPS |
| 16:48.50 | chefkoch | i will give it a try... thanks ;-) |
| 16:48.53 | markybob | greycat i guess that nz guy wasnt so bad after what we've seen since. |
| 16:49.05 | mwilson | takatumi: As I said the last time you asked me the same question, why in the world are you marking the filesystem on a camera as 'exec'? |
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| 16:49.18 | jim | greycat: I would imagine that would run the gamut from none to complete |
| 16:49.31 | takatumi | mwilson: and as I said the last time, does it matter? |
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| 16:49.39 | xoz | Lexxus: maybe sid...you can check /etc/apt/sources.list if you are using testing(sarge) or sid(unstable) |
| 16:49.52 | greycat | jim: I can't even remember how many times I've had to say "First you press then <m> key, then the <a>, then <n>, then the space bar, ..." or similar. |
| 16:49.56 | pmcdonnell | Would this modem: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=25-100-101&DEPA=0 be a non-Winmodem? It says: Innocom V.92/56Kbps Hardware PCI Data/Fax/Voice Modem, Model IT-MI201 - Retail |
| 16:50.09 | greycat | jim: it's just disgusting. |
| 16:50.15 | jim | greycat: that's just wack... |
| 16:50.16 | markybob | greycat i dont understand. MMHH? ;) |
| 16:50.23 | mwilson | takatumi: Of course it matters. Why would you make specific option settings, that are in no way necessary? I could see making it noexec, possibly, but why explicitly mark it exec? |
| 16:50.25 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 16:50.26 | jim | I feel your pain, and have felt it before. |
| 16:50.28 | penguin42 | pmcdonnell: It's hard to tell - you'd be much safer with an external |
| 16:50.45 | greycat | pmcdonnell: "Hardware" implied non-Winmodem. If they're telling the truth. |
| 16:50.47 | Lexxus | xoz: i'm using testing main |
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| 16:51.00 | takatumi | mwilson: what about for a usbstick? this one line serves for both. |
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| 16:51.08 | FieldySnuts | 100% hardware modems are often considerably more expensive than a win modem, often the only way to tell |
| 16:51.11 | jim | greycat: is it any wonder I don't like helping anymore? |
| 16:51.12 | mwilson | takatumi: Same argument. |
| 16:51.20 | takatumi | mwilson: ok, noted. |
| 16:51.24 | greycat | jim: but you came back |
| 16:51.37 | jim | well, not on any permanent basis... |
| 16:51.48 | jim | I used to be -dedicated- |
| 16:51.49 | greycat | permanent's a very long time. |
| 16:51.55 | jim | now I come and go as I please |
| 16:51.56 | FieldySnuts | came back to cry about the u factoids |
| 16:52.02 | xoz | Lexxus: lock-up possibly caused by memory corruption of either KDE or X client |
| 16:52.11 | Raf256 | I wonder, is packin, encrypting with GPG and sendig to a friend - a good way of doing backups? |
| 16:52.14 | Lexxus | xoz: just rebooted the offending system and it has forgotten its desktop appearance settings (icon size etc) |
| 16:52.17 | claviola | greycat: are you an admin of the wiki? |
| 16:52.23 | FieldySnuts | nodev,noexec,nosuid here, maybe others (forgetful) |
| 16:52.27 | asg | claviola: contributor |
| 16:52.34 | greycat | claviola: tarzeau is the admin |
| 16:52.47 | asuffield | pmcdonnell: they're lying. it's a softmodem |
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| 16:52.54 | xoz | Lexxus: better you backup .kde after you configure it. it happens to me sometimes. |
| 16:52.57 | Petfrogg | hello |
| 16:52.58 | claviola | but can you edit immutable pages? |
| 16:53.08 | penguin42 | does bod@debian ever appear here? |
| 16:53.11 | Petfrogg | i got some problem getting realtime-lsm-module |
| 16:53.12 | greycat | claviola: yes, you just need to have a user account (which tarzeau can set up) |
| 16:53.13 | jim | even -asuffield- is providing useful factual information |
| 16:53.17 | justin | !seen bod |
| 16:53.17 | greycat | claviola: they're *all* immutable. |
| 16:53.18 | dpkg | bod <bod@londo.c47.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 211d 9h 41m 18s ago, saying: 'whee. the 4 most recent changes on debian-wiki-faq are pr0n spam'. |
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| 16:53.21 | Petfrogg | it seems like my sourcemirror lack it |
| 16:53.26 | claviola | I just created an user account, and it seems to have no privileges. I have noticed a lot of vandalism on the help pages that wasn't reverted |
| 16:53.32 | paulswm | pmcdonnell: If you go to the manufacturer's web site, you can check. It doesn't look like a controller based modem to me. "The MI201 uses the host computer's CPU to replace the modem's controller without degrading CPU performance." |
| 16:53.34 | penguin42 | justin: Hmm I'll take that as a no then! |
| 16:53.42 | greycat | jim: asuffield is a very helpful person when he chooses to be |
| 16:53.45 | claviola | take http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/HelpForBeginners for instance. |
| 16:53.55 | Lexxus | xoz: yep good idea ... |
| 16:53.56 | xoz | Lexxus: bigger RAM usually avoids lockup. i have 2 similar system and using KDE in smaller RAM have frequent lockups |
| 16:53.57 | Petfrogg | does anyone got a it installed and can paste the apt source list for me on pastebin? |
| 16:53.57 | Raf256 | can reiser FS be made more fault-tolerant, in example by decrisng max commit age using reiserfstune? |
| 16:54.03 | greycat | jim: but he only answers a very small fraction of the more technical questions |
| 16:54.08 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I don't even bother with my camera or any of my thumbdrives on my *nix box any more... I just plug 'em into the Mac. That's what networks are for. |
| 16:54.27 | penguin42 | xoz: You have a problem - KDE shouldn't be causing you lock ups because you don't have enough RAM |
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| 16:55.07 | jim | as I imagine mwilson is also, but he's not choosing to be that I can see... most of his stuff is of the form "you are stupid to do _____ in the way you are doing it" |
| 16:55.13 | xoz | penguin42: what'S my problem? |
| 16:55.15 | FieldySnuts | nice troll attempt |
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| 16:55.37 | penguin42 | xoz: Now that is a very good quesiton; but kde is just normal user apps - they shouldn't cause your machine to hang |
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| 16:55.46 | penguin42 | xoz: Not to the level where ctrl-alt-f1 etc don't work |
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| 16:56.02 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: He doesn't like my opinions. He's free to disagree with them. |
| 16:56.07 | ro | How can I change one compile time option of a .deb that I get off the net? |
| 16:56.19 | Lexxus | xoz:it has 256MB of swap and it uses the 2.6.8 kernel ... are lockups a new linux feature nowadays? |
| 16:56.20 | asg | ro: get the source deb, hack debian/rules |
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| 16:56.30 | takatumi | claviola: ping tarzeau and ask for edit privileges. |
| 16:56.35 | duolljk | is it normal for the x window system grey screen to be all wavy? It works fine once I load a window manager with a background, i just wanna make sure im not harming my monitor or graphics card |
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| 16:56.47 | ro | asg, k thx |
| 16:56.59 | mwilson | duolljk: Wavy? It's just a pattern. |
| 16:57.04 | jim | mwilson: me? well, yes and no... what I don't like is that every opinion you have involves someone being stupid, or if not, it seems that way |
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| 16:57.33 | duolljk | mwilson, like at the debian login screen, the grey vertical lines sorta move back and forth and have kind of a red trail on them |
| 16:57.34 | justin | !+moire |
| 16:57.35 | dpkg | it has been said that moire is An interference pattern that gets created when small dots are placed in a tight pattern. |
| 16:57.39 | mwilson | duolljk: Would you still have a problem with it if it were really big, like a checkerboard? |
| 16:57.45 | justin | ah, that is different |
| 16:58.02 | asuffield | duolljk: do you have an LCD device? |
| 16:58.04 | mwilson | Sounds more like you're overdriving your monitor. |
| 16:58.04 | penguin42 | duolljk: It depends how wavy - the grey background should be pretty consistent - you do get a slight patterning on most CRTs due to moire patterning that can be mostly tuned out and isn't anything to worry about; if its actually moving then you have a bigger problem |
| 16:58.25 | duolljk | it is a crt |
| 16:58.28 | FieldySnuts | sounds like the freqs are too high, especially with the red tails, "pointing" to the right or down-right i bet |
| 16:58.32 | duolljk | here let me look at it again i'll be back |
| 16:58.38 | xoz | Lexxus: linux development seems to be concentrated on the high end... there is no stable 2.6 kernel yet. it's still actively changed :) |
| 16:58.42 | jim | I actually remember that you have been occasionally helpful... it's just that as I sat down today (hour ago maybe?) haven't seen anything -useful- |
| 16:58.47 | asuffield | if it's a CRT, it's out of sync |
| 16:58.58 | asuffield | change the refresh rate |
| 16:59.02 | FieldySnuts | he left, he'll be back |
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| 16:59.05 | penguin42 | he might just have moire but not know |
| 16:59.15 | FieldySnuts | the red tails make me doubt that |
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| 16:59.39 | penguin42 | oh - didn't notice the bit about red tails |
| 16:59.41 | asuffield | penguin42: not if there's a colour skew. that's the yoke coils not quite managing to get in sync, which typically means you're driving them too fast |
| 16:59.43 | duolljk | ok it doesnt have red trails, um it sorta shakes to the left and right, this is only the patterned grey part not the grey in the login box |
| 16:59.43 | asg | jim: any myopic view of #debian will result in certain regulars looking helpful, unhelpful, and grumpy. A long time view shows the averages indicate helpful. |
| 17:00.19 | duolljk | basically the grey part if you startx with no window manager |
| 17:00.23 | jim | asg: you'd also have to aggregate all the people into one clump to get that idea |
| 17:00.40 | penguin42 | duolljk: It shouldn't be shaking |
| 17:00.47 | xoz | on the average, people will show their true color |
| 17:00.48 | duolljk | could I have inputted the wrong refresh rates when i configured x? |
| 17:00.49 | jim | if you do that aggregation, then I agree with you |
| 17:01.00 | asuffield | duolljk: it's possible. but start by moving your speakers away from the monitor |
| 17:01.13 | duolljk | i have speakers but i dont use them |
| 17:01.17 | duolljk | so they're not turned on hehe |
| 17:01.20 | FieldySnuts | good thought, unshielded or poorly shielded speakers will do that |
| 17:01.24 | asg | jim: I've been a regular here for 4 or 5 years and the long term average in my experience of the regulars indicates more help being offered than not. Sometimes there is aggressiveness, but that is to be expected. |
| 17:01.25 | asuffield | duolljk: doesn't matter. they contain large magnets. move them away |
| 17:01.26 | jim | asg: but my experience spans years and years |
| 17:01.26 | duolljk | my computer is right next to the monitor though |
| 17:01.28 | FieldySnuts | duolljk: they still have permanent magnets |
| 17:01.30 | duolljk | ok |
| 17:01.34 | mwilson | Being on or not isn't the issue. Move them, as he told you to. |
| 17:01.35 | asuffield | duolljk: also move anything within a couple of feet and behind the front glass |
| 17:01.36 | duolljk | i'll try that |
| 17:01.46 | Petfrogg | ahhh - i cant get down "mplayer" either... |
| 17:01.51 | asuffield | if that makes it stop, you found the cause |
| 17:01.54 | Lexxus | xoz: perhaps they forgot to lock the stable door after it escaped |
| 17:01.59 | jim | I'm not sure I have more time here than you |
| 17:02.18 | penguin42 | Lexxus: If your going to run 2.6.x then I'd keep to the latest stable version of it |
| 17:02.19 | FieldySnuts | jim: are you done whining yet? |
| 17:02.25 | jim | nope :) |
| 17:02.29 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:02.31 | xoz | Lexxus: the kernel guys who are supposed to start a new development tree still continues to play with 2.6 |
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| 17:02.37 | jim | honest answer, huh? :) |
| 17:02.54 | asg | jim: also, since there isn't a test to enter here, it is expected that regulars who answer and see the same issues day in and day out will get grumpy. |
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| 17:02.59 | _p4c | google.com down? |
| 17:02.59 | l3m | i had a link with a funny explanation for people who send out stupid virus hoax emails.. anyone got a link? the only thing i find on google are serious virus hoax information pages, but the one i'm looking for is funny and a bit degrading to the hoaxmailsender... ;) |
| 17:03.00 | jim | asg: yes, strongly agreed. |
| 17:03.09 | greycat | especially if those questions are answered in the FAQ or the /topic |
| 17:03.10 | FieldySnuts | i'll say. at least the knoppix lameness went way down, and ubuntu annoyances are dropping |
| 17:03.17 | penguin42 | asg: Can be off putting for the poor innocent user who has just had some nastyism happen to his poor debian box and desperately needed a friendly helping hand |
| 17:03.21 | jim | to that fact, I would suggest vacations to the grumpier among us :) |
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| 17:03.26 | asuffield | _p4c: unlikely. it's about a squillion different boxes scattered around the world |
| 17:03.29 | markybob | _p4c heh. no. |
| 17:03.40 | markybob | _p4c you can pretty much count on google never going down |
| 17:03.40 | asuffield | _p4c: any problems reaching it are most likely on your end |
| 17:03.41 | penguin42 | asuffield: It's been known before |
| 17:03.42 | asg | penguin42: it can be but anyone who has done the bare minimum in researching irc and its community shouldn't be surprised. |
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| 17:03.47 | FieldySnuts | penguin42: when you come to somebody for free help, it's going to be on the helpers terms. |
| 17:03.56 | asuffield | penguin42: not in quite a long time |
| 17:04.00 | mwilson | Ubuntu released a preview CD... maybe all the clueless are off destroying their boxen again |
| 17:04.04 | greycat | !annoy jim |
| 17:04.05 | dpkg | jim: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 17:04.05 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:04.09 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 17:04.14 | jim | :P |
| 17:04.18 | asg | penguin42: it used to be expected that when you joined an irc channel, you lurked to get a feel for the implied rules. |
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| 17:04.25 | eugenesan | hi all, is possible to fsck on mounted in readonly mode fs? |
| 17:04.27 | penguin42 | asuffield: I seem to remember them losing the akamei dns a year or so ago; and I've had quite a few 'encountered a server problem try again in 30 sec' lately |
| 17:04.30 | xoz | it's time to create a bot that is intelligent enough to butt-in if it knows the answer to the question. |
| 17:04.31 | greycat | eugenesan: yes |
| 17:04.33 | FieldySnuts | asg: or read topics (shock) |
| 17:04.35 | asuffield | eugenesan: yes, but don't do it unless you have no choice |
| 17:04.46 | markybob | penguin42 in gmail or google search? |
| 17:04.54 | penguin42 | markybob: Google |
| 17:04.55 | markybob | penguin42 i get the server error in gmail, but never in google search |
| 17:05.00 | asg | FieldySnuts: lurking will quickly give you the knowledge that you should, even if you didn't see the message about reading guidelines and topics, etc. |
| 17:05.17 | eugenesan | greycat: and let fsck make changes to fs? |
| 17:05.35 | duolljk | ok I tried moving stuff away from my monitor but i still get the shaky lines, they're not straight lines and they start curving at the sides of the monitor |
| 17:05.46 | FieldySnuts | eugenesan: you can check it, but you can't make fixes to a mounted filesystem |
| 17:05.53 | duolljk | when im in fluxbox I have nothing like this, only at that login screen |
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| 17:06.02 | _p4c | any other site as good as google.com |
| 17:06.07 | FieldySnuts | duolljk: do you use a dm (xdm/kdm/gdm) to log in? or do you use startx? |
| 17:06.15 | markybob | _p4c no. google is up, i checked |
| 17:06.24 | asuffield | duolljk: the crosshatch pattern puts a lot of stress on any display device. that means you're right on the borderline |
| 17:06.37 | duolljk | its a dm, not sure which one but its the one that came with sarge |
| 17:06.44 | duolljk | its just a basic login screen |
| 17:06.44 | takatumi | _p4c: google.com ain't down, fix your NIC or whatever. |
| 17:06.46 | FieldySnuts | I think he's pushing too-high frequencies (just slightly, but not out of range) to it |
| 17:06.49 | asuffield | duolljk: try messing with the xfree86 config, fiddle with the refresh rates and resolution |
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| 17:07.02 | _p4c | markybob: but i cant open google only! |
| 17:07.04 | asuffield | duolljk: you probably need to take it down a little on something |
| 17:07.24 | markybob | _p4c call your isp and report a routing problem |
| 17:07.24 | Raf256 | penguin42- I restored my old /var/ but it seems there is nothing interesing- no error or any events around the time of crash... |
| 17:07.27 | jim | FieldySnuts: also, while you can occasionally get grumpy, you have valid and useful points almost all the time... especially your recent point about free help offered on helper's terms |
| 17:07.31 | duolljk | should i try the other config option where i just pick a resolution instead of manually inputting the scan rates |
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| 17:07.46 | penguin42 | Raf256: I'd leave the machine doing a ram test over night - you got memtest86 ? |
| 17:07.49 | _p4c | markybob: ok |
| 17:07.51 | asuffield | (LCD devices typically crap out when trying to display the crosshatch. CRTs shouldn't) |
| 17:07.58 | Raf256 | penguin42- yes I do... ok I will run it |
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| 17:08.27 | eugenesan | how can i force umount if -f doesn't help? |
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| 17:08.38 | penguin42 | eugenesan: You often can't |
| 17:08.40 | asuffield | duolljk: too hard to guess. try any stuff that involves making numbers smaller, until it goes away. then find the point where it starts |
| 17:08.44 | jim | eugenesan: why can't you umount? |
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| 17:08.48 | jim | what is it saying? |
| 17:09.01 | duolljk | ok, thank you for the help |
| 17:09.03 | eugenesan | jim: umount: /home: device is busy |
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| 17:09.06 | asuffield | there's half a dozen variables and it could be any of them |
| 17:09.28 | jim | eugenesan: that normally means one or more processes have directories or files open in that partition |
| 17:09.35 | greycat | eugenesan: single user mode. |
| 17:10.01 | ericb_ | hi all |
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| 17:10.22 | jim | what's socket A? |
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| 17:10.40 | eugenesan | greycat: it's production server, can i move to single mode without reboot and return to normal runlevel? |
| 17:10.54 | ericb_ | ;) |
| 17:10.59 | ericb_ | yeah shure |
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| 17:11.14 | greycat | eugenesan: yes, but you'll STILL have to kill every program running from user |
| 17:11.23 | greycat | from *every* user |
| 17:11.28 | penguin42 | jim : Socket-A is the old socket used by Athlon |
| 17:11.28 | jim | eugenesan: you shouldhnt' need to do that... just get the processes out of the /home partition |
| 17:11.29 | FieldySnuts | be sure you know how to get back to multi user mode btw |
| 17:11.37 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep home |
| 17:11.38 | jim | penguin42: thanks |
| 17:11.39 | greycat | it'll be shitloads easier for you to just reboot |
| 17:11.45 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 17:11.50 | hever | Hello I want to send a Mail over smtp.mymailserver.com. But during sending a mail I got the response I'm listed in DNSBL.org. I think I have to activate SMTP_AUTH for SMTP. SMTP is on Port 25 and the Daemon after this Port is sendmail, am I right ? |
| 17:11.54 | greycat | (and probably faster) |
| 17:12.08 | greycat | hever: use your ISP's relay, then, instead. |
| 17:12.12 | asuffield | eugenesan: it's virtually equivalent to rebooting anyway |
| 17:12.20 | asuffield | eugenesan: the server is going to have to come down |
| 17:12.21 | jim | hever: heh, your domain has been -blacklisted-?! |
| 17:12.31 | hever | greycat, But I want to reconfigure my server |
| 17:12.34 | greycat | jim: or his IP. |
| 17:12.43 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 17:12.43 | dpkg | mail tutorial is, like, at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:12.43 | hever | jim, my IP.. |
| 17:12.45 | markybob | hever having a blacklisted domain has nothing to do with smtp_auth |
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| 17:12.56 | eugenesan | :-( |
| 17:12.59 | greycat | hever: 1) FIX your broken mail server, if it's broken. 2) get it unblacklisted. |
| 17:13.01 | FieldySnuts | any of those blacklists are not exactly perfect, can't stand them. had my own block get dropped in them more than once, they could never tell me why, and it's very taxing to get off them |
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| 17:13.14 | jim | hever: been sending hundreds of thousands of emails lately? :) |
| 17:13.31 | hever | markybob, but DNSBL tells me I've to set up SMTP_AUTH to be not a open relay mailserver, then I could delete my IP from their list! |
| 17:13.33 | asuffield | eugenesan: you *really* don't want to run fsck on an active server. that would be bad |
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| 17:13.40 | penguin42 | markybob: If you are on an IP that is blacklisted because your on DSL for example some might let you through if you auth? |
| 17:13.58 | FieldySnuts | isn't it nice when somebody elses services try to tell YOU how to run your network. hate blacklists. |
| 17:13.59 | asuffield | eugenesan: and if it changes a mounted filesystem, you'll need to reboot afterwards anyway |
| 17:14.11 | markybob | penguin42 that doesnt even come close to making sense. |
| 17:14.15 | greycat | FieldySnuts: it became a necessity, because SMTP is poorly designed. |
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| 17:14.23 | hever | greycat, I want to go on 1). Therefore my question. Sendmail is listening on Port 25 or not ? |
| 17:14.30 | greycat | hever: lsof -i :25 |
| 17:14.34 | jim | FieldySnuts: necessary evil. |
| 17:14.37 | greycat | if you have sendmail, we shall point and laugh. |
| 17:14.37 | markybob | penguin42 you're thinking of open/closed relays |
| 17:14.40 | asuffield | greycat: there's no way it could have been designed that would have been any better |
| 17:14.45 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i can accept that. what I can't accept is the lack of even one attempt to contact the listed admin/tech contact of the domain. |
| 17:14.49 | FieldySnuts | which I never got |
| 17:14.51 | eugenesan | is postfix capable to resume mail delivery from spool after restart? |
| 17:14.56 | jim | I even have Sendmail the book! |
| 17:15.10 | hever | greycat, Ohh its exim4. And do you know how I could set up SMTP_AUTH for exim4 ? |
| 17:15.10 | greycat | jim: to threaten people with? |
| 17:15.19 | greycat | me personally? no, I don't. |
| 17:15.20 | mwilson | eugenesan: It wouldn't be worth much if it couldn't, would it? |
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| 17:15.25 | jim | yeah, it's heavy and I try to hit people with it :) |
| 17:15.30 | mwilson | greycat: What do you replace sendmail with, on oBSD? |
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| 17:15.43 | greycat | mwilson: I like qmail. others like postfix, or they just keep sendmail. |
| 17:15.52 | |ryan| | hever: what kind of the internet connection is the box on? |
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| 17:16.41 | hever | |ryan|, Its a root server in the internet 24h 7d online |
| 17:16.48 | FieldySnuts | sure it is |
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| 17:16.58 | markybob | rofl |
| 17:17.03 | FieldySnuts | nice nick heh |
| 17:17.04 | markybob | oh, wow, that's a good one |
| 17:17.14 | greycat | it's WHAT? |
| 17:17.18 | markybob | hahaha |
| 17:17.27 | greycat | hever: you are NOT running a DNS root server. |
| 17:17.31 | FieldySnuts | greycat: closest thing I can come to in my mind is a root dns server. i kinda doubt that. |
| 17:17.34 | FieldySnuts | doh beat me to it |
| 17:17.50 | greycat | god only knows what he *thinks* it is.... but I guarantee it's not that. |
| 17:17.58 | waynegrow | Can anyone tell me how I can get kde to display via SSH / Putty |
| 17:18.10 | greycat | waynegrow: you need an X server. KDE is an X client. |
| 17:18.22 | |ryan| | hever: So it's _NOT_ DSL, Cable, ISDN or anything like that? |
| 17:18.37 | hever | greycat, No.. But in germany a server is called a root server where you've got full root rights on it... |
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| 17:18.58 | greycat | hever: you mean a Unix server on which you have a shell. |
| 17:19.06 | markybob | i wish i knew some germans to check that with |
| 17:19.06 | FieldySnuts | @hack hever |
| 17:19.08 | |ryan| | well, if it's your server you should have root on it.... |
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| 17:19.20 | greycat | hever: that didn't answer the question, though. How is it connected? Is it a colocated box under someone else's control, or what? |
| 17:19.25 | caphuso | markybob: he's partly right |
| 17:19.30 | greycat | waynegrow: STOP. FUCKING. /msgING. PEOPLE. |
| 17:19.30 | hever | |ryan|, its better than DSL ehm I don't know the word. |
| 17:19.49 | waynegrow | am I not suposed to message people in here? |
| 17:19.55 | greycat | !topicsmite waynegrow |
| 17:19.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon waynegrow. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:19.57 | |ryan| | hever: T1/E1? |
| 17:20.00 | jim | waynegrow: no |
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| 17:20.14 | markybob | waynegrow dont message people at all. only message the bots |
| 17:20.20 | waynegrow | ok |
| 17:20.25 | hever | greycat, its in a computer center of my provider.... I don't know the connecton. But why is this important ? |
| 17:20.30 | jim | waynegrow: if I recall correctly you should message the bots, and not message people. |
| 17:20.32 | GCS | Hi. Anyone have xlibs-dev for Xorg, maintained by Marc-Christian Petersen? I would need version 6.8.1-0.4. |
| 17:20.45 | |ryan| | hever: so it's colocated. |
| 17:20.49 | GCS | Ie I mean for Debian. |
| 17:21.01 | Longkong | hi, are there more packages in amd64 pure64 than in gcc-3.4 |
| 17:21.16 | markybob | this keeps getting better. |
| 17:21.16 | |ryan| | hever: DSL/Cable addresses are widly, iurrevocably blacklisted. |
| 17:21.21 | waynegrow | what is a good x server to install? |
| 17:21.24 | jim | GCS: the libs you speak of are client libs. xorg is server. |
| 17:21.41 | hever | |ryan|, Its a never changing IP |
| 17:21.48 | greycat | hever: you managed to run an open relay on a colocated mail server? Oh my. |
| 17:21.49 | |ryan| | that's fine |
| 17:22.00 | hever | greycat, thats the problem |
| 17:22.07 | hever | greycat, a configuration error |
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| 17:22.11 | greycat | hever: /etc/init.d/exim* stop |
| 17:22.13 | jim | hever: so the ip -you- have moreorless permanently is blacklisted? :) |
| 17:22.16 | greycat | hever: then READ, READ, READ. |
| 17:22.16 | |ryan| | yeah |
| 17:22.20 | eugenesan | how do i exclude network connections list in lsof? |
| 17:22.23 | GCS | jim: Well, you are right. So I may be fine to find the normal Debian lib and install it? |
| 17:22.33 | |ryan| | stop your freaking SMTPd till it's fixed, man |
| 17:22.35 | markybob | |ryan| like i said, doing smtp auth wont fix that |
| 17:22.39 | hever | greycat, therfore I try to ask how could I activate SMTP_Auth for exim ? |
| 17:22.44 | markybob | heaver, i meant |
| 17:22.45 | jim | GCS: exactly correct "may be fine". |
| 17:22.52 | greycat | hever: read the docs, read the docs again, then read them a third time. THEN go ask #exim. |
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| 17:22.56 | |ryan| | markybob: if he requires smpt auth, it'll be fine |
| 17:23.07 | |ryan| | hever: do you WANT to relay mail from this machine? |
| 17:23.11 | greycat | hever: but FIRST, before you do ANYTHING else, *kill* your SMTP daemon. Let no more spam come in. |
| 17:23.17 | jim | GCS: so it's more than worth a try. |
| 17:23.21 | FieldySnuts | better yet do you know what relaying even is. or smtp. |
| 17:23.26 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 17:23.26 | dpkg | methinks mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:23.33 | greycat | that might help too, if you're a novice |
| 17:23.42 | hever | it don't send emails in case of the DNSBL error... |
| 17:23.47 | greycat | hever: WRONG. |
| 17:23.52 | FieldySnuts | @pull teeth |
| 17:23.53 | greycat | WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! |
| 17:24.02 | greycat | hever: KILL. THE. DAEMON. NOW. |
| 17:24.09 | hever | but it doesnt send ?! Why its wrong ? |
| 17:24.10 | greycat | djw: oh, that would be SO nice. |
| 17:24.25 | greycat | hever: STOP being a retard. |
| 17:24.27 | |ryan| | hever: because spammers are uosing your mail server. |
| 17:24.43 | greycat | hever: just because ONE MACHINE rejected your spam doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE is rejecting it too! |
| 17:24.46 | jim | or he's the spammer :) |
| 17:25.09 | jim | I guess we'll never know :) |
| 17:25.11 | GCS | jim: OK, searching. Could not find it, at least. |
| 17:25.30 | jim | GCS: what are you looking to do specifically? |
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| 17:26.12 | jim | hmm, but if he is the spammer, it would stand to some reason he'd be more widely blacklisted |
| 17:26.25 | waynegrow | i've installed the x-window-system does that contain the xserver? |
| 17:26.37 | jim | waynegrow: yes I believe so |
| 17:26.38 | |ryan| | hever: it sounds like your mail server is an open relay. This means that ANYONE can send mail via it. Like spammers. This is bad. |
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| 17:27.06 | GCS | I need to compile directory administrator (graphical LDAP client), but as it is based on Gnome, I need libgnome-dev. But as I have Xorg installed, I need it's xlibs-dev for libgnome-dev's dependency. |
| 17:27.15 | greycat | jim: if he's the spammer, it seems unlikely he'd be dumb enough to come here and brag about it |
| 17:27.15 | takatumi | #211217 is still active. (bts) |
| 17:27.27 | jim | hever: if you can disable your relay (which spammers make lists of open relays) |
| 17:27.30 | waynegrow | I'm connected to my box at home from work via SSH. How would I go about getting some GUI working also? |
| 17:27.47 | jim | greycat: but he's getting help here :) how dumb is that? never mind, dont' answer that :) |
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| 17:28.24 | hever | I'm searching for a tutorial activating SMTP_AUTH for exim... |
| 17:28.33 | |ryan| | hever: you need to restict relaying. There are several ways to do that. if you actualy want to be able to send mail via that machine, then you can do smtp_auth (so that a username and password is required) |
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| 17:28.37 | jim | if it turns out he's running an open relay without knowing about it, and also wants to close it, he's probably not a spammer |
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| 17:29.00 | markybob | |ryan| what's the box used for? just for you sending mail, or many people from all different locations? |
| 17:29.04 | greycat | jim: not an intentional spammer, at least |
| 17:29.10 | waynegrow | I've turned on x-11 fowarding in putty but I still cant get startx to work |
| 17:29.14 | hever | |ryan|, yes ;) Thats what I gonna tell you with my first question ;) But I'm searching a tutorial... |
| 17:29.18 | jim | maybe he should tell us the IP and one of us can see if it's open and see if he then wants to close it |
| 17:29.23 | jethro | hi #debian |
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| 17:29.29 | greycat | waynegrow: you don't use startx that way. |
| 17:29.38 | greycat | !tell waynegrow about xfaq |
| 17:29.42 | markybob | jim good point. |
| 17:29.44 | |ryan| | hever: Well, until you set it up we think you should shut down exim so no spammers can use it. |
| 17:29.44 | jim | hever: what's the IP of the mail server in question? |
| 17:29.55 | hever | lol |
| 17:30.01 | hever | its still closed |
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| 17:30.41 | jim | if it's closed... then guess who we think the spammer is? :) |
| 17:31.04 | greycat | jim: do we know what he means by "closed"? He thought root server meant colo box. |
| 17:31.12 | jim | true |
| 17:31.16 | jim | good point |
| 17:31.23 | jethro | wow |
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| 17:31.27 | jethro | you have a good one there |
| 17:31.36 | eugenesan | is telnet-client belongs to GNU? |
| 17:31.41 | greycat | eugenesan: no |
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| 17:32.01 | jim | eugenesan: no, telnet-client ARE belong to gnu! |
| 17:32.01 | hever | And it was blacklisted there because exim sends mails and mails to some recipients, in case of a wrong configuration, which is still fixed. As i want to send a first email over the server by me I find out it doesnt work |
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| 17:32.03 | jethro | all your base-config are belong to debian |
| 17:32.32 | greycat | hever: find some docs on www.exim.org and READ them. |
| 17:32.44 | greycat | hever: you will not learn how to run a mail server in this channel. |
| 17:32.51 | markybob | hever i still say you post the ip so we can tell you if that's in fact the problem |
| 17:32.51 | jim | hever: what's the server IP and name? |
| 17:33.13 | jim | hever: we won't hurt it. |
| 17:33.20 | hever | sure I tell the IP lol... |
| 17:33.32 | jethro | give me the root password too |
| 17:33.40 | greycat | heh |
| 17:33.52 | jim | right, only give it to jethro! |
| 17:33.57 | jethro | yes |
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| 17:34.06 | jethro | others don't know what to do with a root password anyway |
| 17:34.09 | markybob | hever then do it yourself. check your ip. go somewhere like http://www.ndo.com/en/1/relaycheck.pl |
| 17:34.47 | eugenesan | to witch project telnet belongs? |
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| 17:34.58 | jethro | eugenesan: wtf are you talking about? |
| 17:35.03 | jim | eugenesan: blair witch project. |
| 17:35.08 | markybob | heh |
| 17:35.21 | jim | sorry, couldn't resist |
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| 17:35.41 | jim | eugenesan: there are lots of telnet clients out there... |
| 17:36.11 | jim | eugenesan: you can get the source tree for the telnet client in debian main and look at its README |
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| 17:36.35 | InitMass | anyone who has tried Jagged Alliance 2 without getting a segmentation fault? |
| 17:36.35 | greycat | and its copyright in /usr/share/doc |
| 17:36.39 | jim | which is supposed to introduce it and its authors |
| 17:36.42 | eugenesan | jim: i need one i can use on windows, win32 native ones sucks! thay can't emulate vt100 normaly :-( |
| 17:37.03 | hever | thanks and bye |
| 17:37.06 | jim | eugenesan: umm, two possibilities |
| 17:37.24 | jim | eugenesan: you can get cygwin |
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| 17:38.14 | jim | or one of a number of telnet clients available at tucows maybe? |
| 17:38.16 | greycat | eugenesan: use putty for a telnet client (or better, for an ssh client) |
| 17:38.21 | greycat | !putty |
| 17:38.21 | dpkg | i guess putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 17:38.22 | jim | putty, that's it |
| 17:38.54 | markybob | eugenesan what are you using telnet to connect to? |
| 17:39.21 | eugenesan | jim: putty also performs wrong CR/LF translations, i can't use it on my serial console :-( |
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| 17:39.51 | SuperSox | eugenesan: try winterm for serial |
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| 17:40.21 | eugenesan | jim: winterm? i'll check. Thanks. |
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| 17:40.50 | greycat | why the hell is he asking windows serial port questions in #debian? |
| 17:41.18 | SuperSox | greycat: *shrg* |
| 17:41.22 | eugenesan | greycat: becouse i lost network connectivity to my debian machine |
| 17:41.23 | jim | eugenesan: I thought putty worked well. also cygwin, but that's a LOT of stuff just for a telnet client. |
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| 17:42.04 | [1]gteppel | I reinstalled my Debian box and before I did so I backed up my mysql db by tar'ing /var/lib/mysql.... The problem I'm running into now is that I changed the password for the mysql user debian-sys-maint, so when I copy back my mysql.users table I can't startup/restart mysql anymore because it complains that there is an incorrect password.... |
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| 17:42.22 | greycat | you *lost* it? did you look under the desk? |
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| 17:42.39 | b00gie | hi all.. do u know whats the diff. among sarge and sid net install cd for amd64 repos? :/ |
| 17:42.40 | greycat | jim: and a telnet client has nothing to do with serial port connections |
| 17:42.45 | eugenesan | jim: putty works well only in vt102j emulation i need to pass SUN's LOM first that's where they all fail |
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| 17:43.18 | greycat | b00gie: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 17:43.19 | xoz | gteppel: create a new root password for mysql... read the doc in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 17:43.21 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to use VNC through a firewall that only accepts ssh connections? |
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| 17:43.37 | stouset | Knight_Lord: On the firewall itself? |
| 17:43.49 | stouset | Knight_Lord: Or do you mean the firewall only passes through port 22? |
| 17:43.49 | jethro | Knight_Lord: ssh -D is what you want, or you could be oldfashioned and use -L |
| 17:43.52 | [1]gteppel | xoz: alright thanks |
| 17:44.01 | jethro | Knight_Lord: more info in man ssh |
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| 17:44.04 | Knight_Lord | stouset, no the server is behind the firewall |
| 17:44.05 | stouset | What jethro said |
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| 17:44.42 | Knight_Lord | jethro, i don't quite understand how i can do it. I can't really export any port on the server because they are all firewalled |
| 17:44.46 | Knight_Lord | except for ssh |
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| 17:44.55 | Knight_Lord | i don't understand how ssh can do X11 forwarding |
| 17:44.56 | stouset | jethro: ssh -D sets it up as a SOCKS proxy, whereas -L and -R strictly send the raw data, correct? |
| 17:45.11 | jethro | Knight_Lord: unless the firewall can't connect to the vnc, you can use either -L or -D |
| 17:45.16 | stouset | Knight_Lord: Everything is tunnelled through SSH. Read the manpage, specifically -L and -D |
| 17:45.18 | jim | How would I make an HTML table that is in row-major order (like ls displays) rather than column-major? |
| 17:45.18 | jethro | stouset: man ssh ? :) |
| 17:45.56 | stouset | jim: IIRC, you can't =\ |
| 17:46.12 | jethro | stouset: -D is dynamic port forwarding, when -L and -R forward a socket to another socket |
| 17:46.24 | jim | so I have to either break it up or set the number of columns as constant |
| 17:46.24 | greycat | jim: #web or #html might have workarounds |
| 17:46.26 | Knight_Lord | jethro, ssh -L 20000:firewall:5903 vncserver |
| 17:46.31 | Knight_Lord | jethro, i tried this on the firewall |
| 17:46.39 | Knight_Lord | jethro, but then i can't connect to the firewall:20000 |
| 17:46.43 | pestilence | Knight_Lord: see the manpage for vncviewer, specificalyl -via |
| 17:46.53 | jethro | Knight_Lord: ssh -L porta:vncserver:portb firewall |
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| 17:47.08 | jethro | Knight_Lord: from the machine you're willing to connect to the vnc from |
| 17:47.14 | pestilence | Knight_Lord: you don't have to explicitly set up the tunnel...vncviewer can do it for you |
| 17:48.23 | Knight_Lord | jethro, from the client machine? |
| 17:48.29 | jethro | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 17:48.34 | pestilence | Knight_Lord: but if you really had to do it, ssh -N -n -L 5901:localhost:5901 username@remotehost |
| 17:48.40 | ruski | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.10 (10.00.Custom) ... |
| 17:48.41 | ruski | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hde1 is not a block device |
| 17:48.41 | ruski | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 17:48.50 | ruski | any idea's as to what could be wrong ? |
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| 17:49.15 | justin | ruski: ls -l /dev/hde1 |
| 17:49.16 | jethro | Knight_Lord: it will bind localhost:porta, and whenever you connect to localhost:porta on client machine, all packets are forwarded to vncserver:portb through the ssh connection between the client and the firewall |
| 17:49.30 | jethro | Knight_Lord: on the vncserver side, you'll be seen as connecting from the firewall |
| 17:49.39 | ruski | justin, i dont have a hde1 .. |
| 17:49.55 | justin | ruski: something thinks you do |
| 17:49.56 | ruski | justin, my root is sda1 .. ive just compiled a new kernel, why would it be trying to install into hde1 ? |
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| 17:50.09 | Knight_Lord | jethro, ah! got it. I had it completely the other way around |
| 17:50.19 | justin | ruski: grep hde1 -r /etc/ |
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| 17:50.27 | Knight_Lord | jethro, i though it tried to open portb on firewall |
| 17:50.35 | Knight_Lord | jethro, thanks for the help :-) |
| 17:50.39 | jethro | Knight_Lord: you're welcome |
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| 17:51.07 | Knight_Lord | jethro, finally i got to understand how ssh port forwarding works |
| 17:51.13 | jethro | heh |
| 17:51.16 | xoz | ruski: are you using devfs? or check /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ... check ROOT= option |
| 17:51.48 | jethro | Knight_Lord: you want to read a few articles on daemonnews :) *advertising the work of a friend* |
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| 17:52.10 | ruski | cheers, looks as though /etc/fstab & mtab were out of whack |
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| 17:53.05 | Knight_Lord | jethro, i wasn't getting the logic right so the man page wasn't making much sense. I'll take a look at the articles. |
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| 17:53.21 | Knight_Lord | BTW does anyone knows which vnc implementation uses the least ammount of bandwidth |
| 17:53.35 | pwned | where can I find answers to questions like "when is <some package/update> coming out" ? |
| 17:53.35 | Och | is it normal that pbuilder take that long? |
| 17:53.41 | SuperSox | Knight_Lord: I've /heard/ TightVNC, but that might not be correct |
| 17:53.44 | xoz | tightvnc |
| 17:54.00 | wpostma | I recently re-installed Sarge,, it's a fresh Sarge install now with a default Sarge kernel. The keyboard repeats on me. If I hit a key, now and then, it is like it is "stuck down" and repeats until I hit another key to stop the repeating. Dozens even hundreds of repeats. |
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| 17:54.30 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 17:54.36 | pwned | wpostma, is that a usb keyboard? |
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| 17:54.50 | jethro | pwned: on packages.debian.org |
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| 17:55.08 | wpostma | Is this possibly a bug in the stock Sarge kernel? debian 2.4.27-2-386 . No it's a pS/2 keyboard. Same laptop, before reinstall, didn't have this problem, but I was using my own compiled kernel 2.4.27 from kernel.org. |
| 17:55.32 | MadA | hello all, i was just kinda curious who knows of a media player that i can apt-get that will play .avi files |
| 17:55.39 | Eclipser | I just reinstalled sarge on my two computers and I didn't have that problem |
| 17:55.39 | wpostma | I am now rcompiling using my old .config to see if it goes away. |
| 17:55.47 | citral | MadA: xine-ui |
| 17:55.55 | MadA | citral: thank you |
| 17:56.06 | Eclipser | wpostma, how do you manage to write anything? |
| 17:56.09 | stouset | wpostma: Have you checked the BTS? If it's not in there, it could be something with your hardware. I doubt something like that would have gotten by for long without anyone else filing ab ug report. |
| 17:56.10 | wpostma | What's really odd is it keeps repeating until I hit Escape or some other key on my keyboard. |
| 17:56.12 | SuperSox | MadA: I recomend vlc personally |
| 17:56.14 | jethro | citral: apt-cache search media player |
| 17:56.16 | wpostma | It only does this every 5-10 minutes. |
| 17:56.21 | Eclipser | aha |
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| 17:56.25 | jethro | oops |
| 17:56.26 | Knight_Lord | I think normal X forwarding is faster than any VNC |
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| 17:56.33 | citral | :) |
| 17:56.35 | jethro | MadA: apt-cache search media player :) |
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| 17:58.20 | wpostma | I have only seen behaviour like this before with wireless keyboards. It also gets the Control and Shift keys stuck in the ON state, causing everything you type after that to be like Control and Shift are stuck on. |
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| 17:58.28 | xarg | HI ... I just installed the pkg qla2x00-source and 'make' in /usr/src/modules/qla2x00 bombs horribly.what have I done wrong? |
| 17:58.29 | wpostma | I should try a different keyboard. Maybe my keyboard has had a $---. |
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| 17:59.07 | greycat | $---? a retailvaluectomy? |
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| 17:59.13 | stouset | xarg: You're not supposed to do a make there :-) |
| 17:59.19 | adexter | hello all |
| 17:59.33 | Ick | i've got a few questions before I install |
| 17:59.34 | greycat | xarg: use module-assistant |
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| 17:59.41 | stouset | xarg: First off, make sure you have kernel-headers-<kvers> installed matching your current kernel version |
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| 18:00.07 | Ick | i've got three partitions with suse |
| 18:00.10 | xarg | stouset: I am just trying to compile the module |
| 18:00.16 | xarg | greycat: thyanks |
| 18:00.19 | Ick | will i need to back up them all? |
| 18:00.20 | xarg | stouset: they are |
| 18:00.36 | Ick | or can i just install to one partition and leave the others alone |
| 18:00.38 | stouset | xarg: Then go into /usr/src/modules/qla2x00 and type "debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` KVERS=`uname -r`" |
| 18:00.40 | SuperSox | Ick: probably not, but you should. |
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| 18:00.57 | Ick | how big is a debian install now? |
| 18:01.05 | greycat | bigger than a breadbox |
| 18:01.08 | stouset | Ick: without installing anything else? |
| 18:01.13 | Ick | will it fit onto a 5 GB partition? |
| 18:01.17 | greycat | Ick: hell yes |
| 18:01.19 | stouset | Ick: Hahaha, yes. |
| 18:01.20 | jethro | Ick: easily |
| 18:01.20 | citral | oh yeah |
| 18:01.34 | SuperSox | Ick: not a hope in hell! |
| 18:01.44 | Knight_Lord | Ick, it's around 150MB |
| 18:01.51 | pwned | if I install python 2.4 on top of debian's default, will I break something? |
| 18:01.53 | Ick | oh, that's decent |
| 18:01.57 | greycat | a base install is under 200 MB, certainly |
| 18:02.04 | stouset | Ick: excluding /home, my laptop which has everything I need for my own personal use AND my work stuff, I'm only using 3.0G |
| 18:02.05 | greycat | but to add useful things like ssh and gcc, it grows. |
| 18:02.19 | stouset | Ick: probably less if I do an aptitude clean. One sec. |
| 18:02.19 | Ick | i need those |
| 18:02.28 | citral | with X and some apps, you go around 1G - 1.5G |
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| 18:02.51 | Ick | i'd get gcc, browser, irc client, etc.? |
| 18:02.52 | greycat | for large values of "some apps" |
| 18:02.53 | pipeline | citral: X + gnome fits in less than a gig |
| 18:02.58 | greycat | Ick: 5 GB is plenty |
| 18:03.00 | xarg | stouset: *** No rule to make target `binary_modules'. |
| 18:03.08 | Ick | thanks a lot guys |
| 18:03.10 | pipeline | Ick: 5GB is more than enough. |
| 18:03.11 | stouset | xarg: binary-modules then :-) |
| 18:03.15 | stouset | xarg: my bad |
| 18:03.16 | Ick | i've got the net install downloaded |
| 18:03.37 | stouset | Ick: with all of GNOME, most development tools, eclipse, a bunch of other libraries/utilities, I'm at 2.4G |
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| 18:03.48 | Ick | i'm going to burn it and then hopefully, by the next time i'm back here, i'll have joined your ranks |
| 18:03.50 | stouset | Ick: And I have a *lot* of stuff on this system. |
| 18:04.01 | Ick | suse is a slightly bigger install |
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| 18:04.27 | wpostma | Ick: use net i nstall. |
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| 18:04.41 | stouset | Ick: Now is a perfect time to test out d-i rc3, by the way :-) |
| 18:04.44 | bulot | Hello everybody |
| 18:04.48 | stouset | xarg: did that work? |
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| 18:04.54 | stouset | xarg: I might have the name wrong, hehe. |
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| 18:04.59 | wpostma | I tried the Sarge beta ISO from march 20-something, worked like a charm. |
| 18:05.15 | bulot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.45 | stouset | bulot: which wireless card? |
| 18:05.48 | Ick | wpostma: where'd i get that? |
| 18:05.48 | bulot | first i get Ubuntu in My LapTop, |
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| 18:05.54 | bulot | a Netopia |
| 18:05.55 | Eclipser | I think I used d-i rc2 |
| 18:06.01 | stouset | Ick: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:06.04 | Eclipser | did they release rc3 just now? |
| 18:06.06 | Ick | i have sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:06.08 | bulot | is 802.11b |
| 18:06.10 | stouset | Eclipser: Two days ago. |
| 18:06.13 | Eclipser | yep |
| 18:06.17 | Eclipser | I downloaded 3 days ago :) |
| 18:06.27 | Ick | i downloaded a couple days ago |
| 18:06.30 | stouset | bulot: That doesn't really help. Do an "lspci" and paste it into #flood |
| 18:06.36 | Knight_Lord | yup d-i is quite good. I used with some exotic setups (LVM over software raid over hardware raid) and it mostly worked fine |
| 18:06.39 | Ick | is debian primarily kde or gnome? |
| 18:06.40 | stouset | Ick: re-download. Lots of updates have been made to the installer |
| 18:06.46 | stouset | Ick: Neither. |
| 18:06.53 | jetscreamer | lck either |
| 18:06.54 | stouset | It's agnostic. |
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| 18:07.26 | ruzbeh | Hello everyone, I'm trying to get my internet connection to work in Debian. http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch is the best guide for it, but Debian isn't listed, what do I do? |
| 18:07.27 | Ick | i see |
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| 18:07.38 | xarg | stouset: that worked but I got TONS of errors and so no that didn't work |
| 18:07.41 | stouset | You will find plenty of GNOME and KDE supporters in Debian, as well as the less-popular DE/WMs: xfce, wmaker, fluxbox, etc. |
| 18:07.42 | Eclipser | that ssh client in d-i is so must :) |
| 18:07.51 | stouset | xarg: What kinds of errors? |
| 18:07.53 | Knight_Lord | go go wmaker :-P |
| 18:08.06 | stouset | xarg: Paste into #flood near where the first Error line is |
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| 18:08.20 | Ick | i haven't used wmaker in so long |
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| 18:08.25 | Eclipser | too bad xfce4 is only 4.0 and not 4.2 :< |
| 18:08.29 | Ick | red hat 8, i think |
| 18:08.54 | Ick | will i still be able to install RPM's if there isn't a debian package? |
| 18:09.00 | Knight_Lord | did any of you have problems on X forwarding between xorg and debian X? |
| 18:09.00 | jetscreamer | !alien |
| 18:09.01 | dpkg | methinks alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 18:09.08 | stouset | Anyone know if there's a Texas Instruments ACX 100 wlan driver in the kernel? :-) |
| 18:09.12 | addNtoX | Eclipser: if you want i can give you an unofficial xfce4.2 repository |
| 18:09.22 | stouset | Ick: If you find an RPM where there isn't a .deb, I would be heavily surprised. |
| 18:09.31 | Eclipser | addNtoX, nah, I'm fine for now :) |
| 18:09.38 | Ick | theoretically speaking. |
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| 18:09.41 | Longkong | Eclipser: there are inofficaial xfce4 packages |
| 18:09.42 | Eclipser | I have other stuff to worry about, like my tv card :< |
| 18:09.43 | addNtoX | ok |
| 18:09.45 | stouset | Ick: apt has > 10,000 packages last time I checked. |
| 18:09.53 | Knight_Lord | I'm getting strange problems when trying to open applications compiled on my debian box in a fedora core 3 box running xorg, specifically about no OpenGL capabilities |
| 18:09.58 | Ick | as long as i can also compile from source, i guess i'll be fine |
| 18:09.59 | addNtoX | but it's worth a try |
| 18:10.00 | stouset | Ick: RedHat has maybe 1,000 =\ |
| 18:10.15 | Longkong | A question is XFS really faster on a Desktop System? |
| 18:10.19 | Longkong | than ext3 |
| 18:10.29 | Knight_Lord | Longkong, yes |
| 18:10.30 | stouset | bulot: doing that is *not* a good idea. |
| 18:10.40 | caphuso | Longkong: certainly faster to fuck up |
| 18:10.45 | Knight_Lord | Longkong, it's slower deleting, but for everything else is faster |
| 18:10.45 | stouset | bulot: At the very least, highly not recommended. |
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| 18:11.01 | Longkong | Knight_Lord: and do you think I should use it? ;) |
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| 18:11.03 | stouset | bulot: doing an apt-get dist-upgrade from ubuntu to sarge is likely to give you problems |
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| 18:11.15 | Knight_Lord | Longkong, i don't think IO performance matters for desktop |
| 18:11.19 | bulot | yes.... |
| 18:11.20 | Xero | Is 2GB of PC4000 RAM excessive? |
| 18:11.25 | stouset | Longkong: on a desktop system, you're unlikely to notice any performance difference. |
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| 18:11.27 | Knight_Lord | Longkong, i only use it for servers |
| 18:11.28 | stouset | Xero: For what? |
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| 18:11.32 | Xero | Gaming. |
| 18:11.39 | stouset | Xero: In Debian? =P |
| 18:11.41 | bulot | but i did it, so...right now, i can re install SO... |
| 18:11.43 | Xero | Yes |
| 18:11.49 | Ick | thank you very much for your help, guys |
| 18:11.50 | stouset | Xero: So, zsnes? :-) |
| 18:11.53 | stouset | Ick: np. |
| 18:11.56 | Knight_Lord | Xero, you should know memory is never enough, it's like disk space |
| 18:11.59 | Longkong | ok, then I will continue using ext3 :) |
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| 18:12.02 | Ick | it was probably a good idea waiting for spring break to do this |
| 18:12.08 | bulot | wht can i do, for put to work my crad |
| 18:12.12 | Ick | Xero: data expands to fill the space it is given |
| 18:12.16 | Knight_Lord | Longkong, i think it's a sensible choice |
| 18:12.17 | Xero | Yes. |
| 18:12.30 | Xero | PC4000 is excessive though? I'm not sure veen if my motherboard supports it. |
| 18:12.36 | alcorrr | i have to deal with evil and i need a weapon: anyone know how i can extract jpg's from within word doc files? i allready converted them to xml, but i need the embedded jpeg's too.. and i want to keep this a linux only solution, so i don't want to "save as html" in word or anything like that |
| 18:12.53 | stouset | bulot: I'm not sure, and to be honest, I don't really want to try and figure out. Going from Ubuntu to Debian via a dist-upgrade is *not* a good idea, and will likely result in spurious problems that seem to have no cause. |
| 18:13.02 | Knight_Lord | alcorrr, openoffice can't do it? |
| 18:13.04 | FieldySnuts | reinstall don't be lazy |
| 18:13.08 | Ick | one last thing: i'm running a pentium II 400 MHz, 384 MB RAM, 20 GB HD |
| 18:13.12 | Ick | will there be any problems with that? |
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| 18:13.18 | Xero | Noppe |
| 18:13.21 | stouset | Ick: Not at all. |
| 18:13.22 | Ick | except the normal slowness |
| 18:13.27 | alcorrr | Knight_Lord: i prefer a c or java prog, or python, or something i can run command line |
| 18:13.31 | Knight_Lord | Ick, it will be slower than a PIV 3GHz 1GB RAM |
| 18:13.33 | Xero | Should actually run decently fast |
| 18:13.39 | stouset | Ick: I'm running an office firewall on a Pentium 75, 16M of RAM, 100MB HD. |
| 18:13.41 | Xero | Just ditrch the GUI. GUI is for losers anyway :) |
| 18:13.48 | stouset | Ick: I *barely* made it under 100MB. |
| 18:14.09 | Xero | Oh, and use binary installation please. |
| 18:14.12 | Knight_Lord | alcorrr, openoffice supports some scripting. But i've never used it |
| 18:14.15 | Xero | If you go trying to compile o nthat machine... yeah |
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| 18:14.31 | Ick | thanks |
| 18:14.35 | Ick | i'm a patient fellow |
| 18:14.42 | stouset | Ick: You might even be able to get away with running GNOME on that system (assuming that's what floats your boat). I remember having an 800MHz laptop that would clock to 400 with no power plug. I wouldn't notice the difference with GNOME 2.4 |
| 18:14.44 | Eowyn | holaaaaaaa |
| 18:14.44 | Ick | and if i can automate it, i'll let it run while i'm at work |
| 18:14.47 | InitMass | how do i mount a .mdf or .mds? |
| 18:14.55 | dut | Hi! |
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| 18:15.05 | Ick | is kde faster than gnome though? |
| 18:15.08 | stouset | Ick: Well, with Debian, there's rarely ever a need to compile from source. |
| 18:15.09 | Eowyn | alguien habla espaniol |
| 18:15.22 | stouset | !es |
| 18:15.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:15.25 | InitMass | Eowyn, no |
| 18:15.35 | Eowyn | jaja |
| 18:15.37 | Eowyn | listo |
| 18:15.38 | InitMass | Eowyn, there are probably a spanish debian channel |
| 18:15.48 | Eowyn | ok |
| 18:15.51 | Ick | Eowyn: #debian-es |
| 18:16.08 | Eowyn | thank you |
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| 18:16.25 | stouset | Ick: Couldn't tell you. If you ask in here, half the channel will tell you that GNOME is slow as piss, the other half will tell you that KDE is slow as piss, yet another half will tell you that anything other than fluxbox/blackbox/windowmaker is slow as piss, and the last half will say consoles are the way to go. |
| 18:16.38 | Ick | 4/2 |
| 18:16.42 | Ick | i like that math :) |
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| 18:16.53 | pwned | what's a good backup utility for user files |
| 18:16.59 | pwned | will just backing up the home dir help ? |
| 18:17.01 | Ick | tar? |
| 18:17.02 | Knight_Lord | Ick, overlap! |
| 18:17.04 | stouset | Ick: I can tell you from experience though that GNOME (at 2.0 or 2.2?) was highly usable on a system like that. Then again, I had 512MB of RAM. |
| 18:17.13 | Ick | i have 384 |
| 18:17.13 | citral | anything else than fluxbox is slow as piss :) |
| 18:17.13 | dut | hi! If somebody registered #debian-ru channel and this channel is not used long time not by users or owner, the channel will be unregistred or not? |
| 18:17.20 | stouset | pwned: cp? =P |
| 18:17.27 | Ick | dut: da. |
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| 18:17.33 | Knight_Lord | anything else that wmaker is slow as piss |
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| 18:17.38 | pwned | will just backing up the home dir help? |
| 18:17.41 | stouset | dut: The channel will go back into the pool eventually. |
| 18:17.43 | stouset | pwned: help what? |
| 18:17.49 | pwned | help reinstall the OS |
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| 18:17.50 | stouset | KDE is slow as piss. |
| 18:17.50 | Surfista_Msn | #recife |
| 18:17.52 | dut | stouset: how? |
| 18:17.57 | xarg | stouset: too much to paste even in #flood check URL http://clevemeyer.netspectations.com/~ray/qla2x00-errors.txt |
| 18:17.59 | pwned | with all my previous settings |
| 18:18.03 | Surfista_Msn | what?? |
| 18:18.03 | Knight_Lord | pwned, what kind of backup? |
| 18:18.05 | stouset | dut: ChanServ does it automagically. |
| 18:18.12 | pwned | Knight_Lord, any kind of backup on the home dir |
| 18:18.14 | Knight_Lord | pwned, to tape, to hardrive' |
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| 18:18.20 | pwned | Knight_Lord, doesn't matter man |
| 18:18.31 | tionja | hello everyone,does anybody know how could i install the plugins of gimp? |
| 18:18.33 | pwned | to egyptian pyramids |
| 18:18.35 | Knight_Lord | pwned, i use dirvish to do backups to another server |
| 18:18.37 | pwned | using hierogplyhps |
| 18:18.48 | citral | tionja: apt-cache search gimp plugin |
| 18:18.56 | molus | k |
| 18:18.58 | pwned | ok I don't care about how I back up |
| 18:18.58 | Surfista_Msn | j/ olinda |
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| 18:19.02 | pwned | what to back up |
| 18:19.14 | Knight_Lord | pwned, sorry i missed the question |
| 18:19.26 | Knight_Lord | pwned, /etc/ /home/ possibly some /var stuff |
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| 18:19.33 | molus | tst |
| 18:19.46 | stouset | xarg: One sec, phone. |
| 18:19.52 | pwned | hrm thanks Knight_Lord |
| 18:20.07 | Ick | another thing: what is sarge? |
| 18:20.21 | Knight_Lord | Ick, name of the next debian release |
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| 18:20.27 | weissi | chk |
| 18:20.33 | Ick | ok |
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| 18:21.15 | dut | stouset: i may read about period, etc somewhere? |
| 18:21.18 | Yuri | brasileiro nesse canal? |
| 18:21.34 | Knight_Lord | Yuri, use debian-br for portuguese please |
| 18:21.45 | Yuri | how i can? |
| 18:21.54 | citral | /join #debian-br |
| 18:21.58 | Knight_Lord | Yuri, join debian-br |
| 18:22.11 | Yuri | thx |
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| 18:22.17 | Knight_Lord | thank you |
| 18:22.22 | stouset | dut: No clue. |
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| 18:22.26 | Knight_Lord | i'm running low on # |
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| 18:22.39 | Knight_Lord | also on / |
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| 18:23.15 | Knight_Lord | citral, but when i get some more i'll repay you don't worry |
| 18:24.10 | Knight_Lord | Ick, sarge is also a toy story character like the other debian names |
| 18:24.13 | fraxtal | Wow has anyone noticed that they have a ton of gmail invites now? |
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| 18:24.44 | mwilson | nah. I don't think I've bothered with gmail in at least a couple of months. |
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| 18:25.04 | greycat | never had one. don't want one. |
| 18:25.25 | asuffield | greycat: might get one anyway. random visitors to google search get them now |
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| 18:25.41 | greycat | asuffield: would I notice? |
| 18:25.47 | vardhan | I need to backup N-Gage to Debian over bluetooth. Sadly gnokii is not in unstable. Multisync doesn't work. Any other thing ? |
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| 18:26.03 | asuffield | greycat: not if you're using firefox's google panel, most likely |
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| 18:26.22 | helix | fraxtal: yes |
| 18:26.27 | greycat | asuffield: or if I have javascript disabled? |
| 18:26.29 | mwilson | Bad enough you're using crapfox, but to use the Google toolbar as well? |
| 18:26.47 | asuffield | greycat: aiui, it appears at the bottom of the front page |
| 18:26.54 | Ick | fraxtal: isnt' gmail public now? |
| 18:27.21 | asuffield | not that any Debian user would ever have reason to use gmail |
| 18:27.29 | fraxtal | I dont know. I've been using thunderbird to check it so I havn't really payed attention to the gmail page |
| 18:27.39 | Ick | asuffield: why not? |
| 18:27.51 | asuffield | Ick: because every Debian user has real mail |
| 18:27.58 | asuffield | not some stupid webmail toy |
| 18:28.01 | fraxtal | asuffield: Not everyone can afford a 24/7 connection |
| 18:28.07 | Ick | i love the UI better than other programs |
| 18:28.07 | helix | unless they wanted a reason to test gmailfs |
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| 18:28.21 | Ick | i leave a tab open to "Inbox" at all times |
| 18:28.24 | asuffield | fraxtal: it's not really necessary |
| 18:28.27 | asuffield | Ick: then you are ill |
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| 18:28.40 | Ick | when I see a "(1)" after inbox in my first tab, i jump to it |
| 18:28.44 | greycat | asuffield: no use trying to fix them. |
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| 18:28.54 | fraxtal | Well what do you mean by 'real' mail then? |
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| 18:29.04 | Ick | something like thunderbird, probably |
| 18:29.08 | asuffield | fraxtal: a real mail server, on a real unix box, with real filtering tools and clients |
| 18:29.10 | stouset | xarg: back |
| 18:29.10 | greycat | Ick: uh, no. |
| 18:29.24 | asuffield | something which is capable of using procmail, perl, and mutt |
| 18:29.25 | Ick | oh |
| 18:29.29 | stouset | Ick: Bah, evolution all the way ;) |
| 18:29.39 | SuperNull | heh. i decided to build the kernel for the stuff i need total.. static. everything works great now :-D heh. |
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| 18:30.13 | greycat | !start an mua war |
| 18:30.13 | dpkg | kmail rules |
| 18:30.26 | fraxtal | asuffield: How would you be able to use that without a 24/7 connection though? |
| 18:30.27 | Xenguy | no, mutt! |
| 18:30.30 | Xenguy | :P |
| 18:30.35 | vchrizz | hi, in which manpage is described, when the scripts in the folders in /etc/network/ are beeing executed? |
| 18:30.40 | greycat | fraxtal: you'd have to download mail from a pop3/imap host when you connect |
| 18:30.44 | stouset | How do you get dpkg to start a DE war? I tried start a de war. |
| 18:30.51 | asuffield | fraxtal: bsmtp, pop3, imap, whatever |
| 18:30.52 | greycat | !start a desktop war |
| 18:30.52 | dpkg | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 18:30.53 | vchrizz | !start a nuclear war |
| 18:30.53 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
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| 18:31.01 | MatriXica | hello |
| 18:31.06 | alcorrr | i need to extract a chunk of a binary file starting from a sequence of bytes until i hit another sequence. what can i use to do that? |
| 18:31.08 | asuffield | I'd go with bsmtp, it's the least intrusive |
| 18:31.20 | MatriXica | anyone can help me with an free shell or psyBNC please private me , i can do what he want ! |
| 18:31.31 | greycat | alcorrr: probably a custom C program, using a finite state machine |
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| 18:31.42 | greycat | alcorrr: at least, that's how *I*'d do it. |
| 18:31.48 | Phated | ... *hehe* |
| 18:31.58 | fraxtal | asuffield: Oh, so you'r talking about just using a real mailserver, not having one set up yourself necessarily? |
| 18:32.02 | stouset | greycat: no infinite state machine? |
| 18:32.12 | alcorrr | hmm ok grey, thanks, very helpful |
| 18:32.25 | greycat | stouset: well, you can go ahead and try building one... let me know when you finish |
| 18:32.26 | alcorrr | i need something quick |
| 18:32.26 | asuffield | fraxtal: <shrug> it doesn't really matter |
| 18:32.42 | greycat | !hurry |
| 18:32.42 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 18:32.46 | stouset | greycat: I've written a timeline for the project. I had to take the square root of a negative number to do it. |
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| 18:33.07 | alcorrr | i don't want to waste time writing a c program. i thought the whole point of gnu tools was to not waste time |
| 18:33.12 | asuffield | Phated: what, you just showed up to giggle? that's pretty off the wall, even for you |
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| 18:33.28 | greycat | the whole point of GNU tools is to provide a Free (libre) and superior replacement for Unix tools |
| 18:33.37 | Phated | asuffield: MatriXica> | anyone can help me with an free shell or psyBNC please private me , i can do what he want ! <-- Apply my usual skewed worldview to that. :) |
| 18:33.49 | justin | I didn't think "random homework assignments" were part of the gnu tools either |
| 18:33.51 | alcorrr | how cna i get the location in a file of a sequence of bytes? |
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| 18:33.55 | greycat | Phated: I assume the word "private" is the focus? |
| 18:34.03 | alcorrr | when the same sequence might appear a few times? |
| 18:34.07 | asuffield | I think "porn" is the focus |
| 18:34.09 | Phated | greycat: "I can do what he want", actually. |
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| 18:34.20 | greycat | Phated: ah, point. |
| 18:34.23 | MatriXica | : |
| 18:34.25 | MatriXica | :( |
| 18:34.26 | Phated | greycat: Aye. |
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| 18:34.33 | Phated | MatriXica: Don't. /msg. Me. |
| 18:34.43 | greycat | !tell MatriXica about msg |
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| 18:35.48 | stouset | greycat: monosodium glutamate? |
| 18:35.57 | Phated | Good stuff. |
| 18:36.03 | MatriXica | sorry greycat |
| 18:36.16 | greycat | stouset: it's in there. |
| 18:36.16 | stouset | Good stuff. |
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| 18:37.04 | stouset | So anyways, I added the Windows XP apt sources into /etc/apt/sources.list, and I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade but I got a blue screen. |
| 18:37.11 | greycat | that's probably misspelled... |
| 18:37.23 | stouset | No, I believe it's correct. |
| 18:37.33 | greycat | aye, "gluteus maximus" is the proper spelling. no 'o'. |
| 18:37.44 | stouset | Ah, you got me. |
| 18:37.56 | stouset | Not often I'm wrong on a spelling issue. Damn Latinese people. |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | I knew it looked wrong... |
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| 18:38.50 | Ick | okay, it burned |
| 18:38.54 | floydwilde | alcorrr: I have the same situation as you, about 200 doc files with jpg images and even worse they have this word art crap pointing out things in the images. I am going to try OOo xml |
| 18:38.59 | citral | the computer? |
| 18:39.06 | Ick | the sarge iso |
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| 18:39.15 | alcorrr | floydwilde, can i msg you? |
| 18:39.22 | floydwilde | yeah |
| 18:39.27 | Ick | would "md5sum /media/cdrom/" check it? |
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| 18:39.44 | stouset | Ick: no, that'll check all the files on the cdrom |
| 18:39.59 | stouset | Ick: you want to check the image itself: /dev/hd(b|c|d|whatever) |
| 18:40.02 | asuffield | no, it won't do anything |
| 18:40.07 | greycat | Ick: you'd need to check the device, not the mount point |
| 18:40.08 | asuffield | md5sum does not operate on directories |
| 18:40.10 | Varg__ | how can I get d-i to install grub on a sata disk? |
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| 18:40.24 | stouset | asuffield: Thought it could do recursive md5sums? |
| 18:40.29 | asuffield | nope |
| 18:40.31 | greycat | stouset: that's not what you want |
| 18:40.42 | stouset | greycat: in most cases, no :-) |
| 18:40.57 | greycat | stouset: find /blah -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum |
| 18:41.14 | helix | I love my neighbors for their wireless |
| 18:41.15 | greycat | but that's not what you want for an ISO |
| 18:41.16 | stouset | greycat: Was going to say, that's probably what I've always done I guess. A find and pipe through xargs. |
| 18:41.34 | Ick | oh |
| 18:41.39 | asuffield | greycat: make that xargs -r |
| 18:41.40 | Ick | i don't understand that at all |
| 18:41.51 | asuffield | helix: you're a TERRORIST |
| 18:41.59 | Ick | i'll do the old-fashioned "pray -r" option |
| 18:42.11 | Phated | asuffield: Aren't we all. :) |
| 18:42.20 | stouset | helix: I had a neighbor doing that once. He also, for some reason, had his entire Windows partition being shared. The goatse man found his way into some pretty weird places on that guy's computer. |
| 18:42.35 | asuffield | Phated: actually I'm an anarchist, it's not quite the same thing |
| 18:42.37 | Ick | stouset: you're evil |
| 18:42.45 | Phated | asuffield: Ahh, all right then. |
| 18:42.54 | stouset | asuffield: xargs doesn't have an -r? |
| 18:42.55 | Phated | Ick: Creative, some would say. |
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| 18:42.59 | Ick | i'm an open source hippie punk |
| 18:43.05 | helix | I'm not terrorizing them |
| 18:43.17 | stouset | Ick: that's nothing compared to the horse porn |
| 18:43.39 | Ick | stouset: that's pretty hardcore |
| 18:43.44 | stouset | Ick: Kidding, of course. |
| 18:43.49 | Ick | oh |
| 18:43.49 | stouset | Ick: Not about goatse though. |
| 18:43.49 | asuffield | helix: american implies (ability == theft == piracy == terrorism). you're a terrorist |
| 18:44.02 | Ick | giver.jpg too? |
| 18:44.21 | Phated | stouset: On his harddrive is not good enough. On his dekstop... Now there is an accomplishment. |
| 18:44.33 | Ick | and set yourself as admin |
| 18:44.37 | helix | asuffield: does that apply to downloading anime as well? |
| 18:44.40 | Ick | and disable rights of users to change the desktop |
| 18:44.50 | asuffield | helix: if you're american? probably |
| 18:44.56 | helix | that's hot |
| 18:45.01 | Ick | all i've ever done with my neighbors is kind of use their internet |
| 18:45.23 | Ick | they were out of town, and i was cat-sitting |
| 18:45.27 | asuffield | helix: you think everything is hot. you're just horny, or desperate |
| 18:45.32 | helix | I wonder what I'm forgetting to install on this machine |
| 18:45.35 | Ick | and i kind of brought my laptop in and downloaded ISO's |
| 18:45.37 | citral | I'd try it for (my) educational purpose |
| 18:45.38 | helix | or you don't recognize my slang |
| 18:45.40 | Phated | Or both! |
| 18:45.43 | greycat | asuffield: you say that as if it were a bad thing. |
| 18:45.45 | Ick | this was before i got dsl |
| 18:45.56 | helix | greycat: he was begging for pictures of me wearing latex earlier |
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| 18:46.04 | helix | he's not exactly innocent |
| 18:46.16 | Phated | You're sure this wasn't PerfDave? |
| 18:46.44 | asuffield | that's a mischaracterisation, and anyway it's the obvious response when somebody admits to wearing it :P |
| 18:46.55 | helix | poor suff |
| 18:46.59 | Phated | Excuses! :) |
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| 18:47.30 | greycat | asuffield: you'd find some peace if you simply admitted that you want to see her in latex. |
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| 18:47.44 | greycat | you might not get to see it, but at least you'd have the comfort of self-honesty |
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| 18:47.55 | asuffield | greycat: well yes, it would be entertaining |
| 18:48.10 | citral | don't we all want to see _greycat_ in latex? |
| 18:48.16 | greycat | and you'd find more peace if you admitted *why*... |
| 18:48.19 | asuffield | that would also be entertaining |
| 18:48.21 | stouset | citral: hot. |
| 18:48.25 | Ick | i want to see her in latex |
| 18:48.26 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 18:48.33 | Phated | ... |
| 18:48.40 | greycat | I'm not really in *quite* good enough shape to wear latex properly. |
| 18:48.47 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You've been a terrible influence on this bunch. |
| 18:48.47 | takatumi | heh |
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| 18:48.50 | stouset | !ops: Topic change: helix in LaTeX! |
| 18:48.51 | citral | hehe |
| 18:48.56 | idnar | haha |
| 18:48.57 | Ick | then don't wear it at all |
| 18:49.04 | Ick | hahaha TeX |
| 18:49.35 | kneecaps_ | greycat: remember my PRNG not seeded problem yesterday? the new udev had borked lots of stuff in /dev :D |
| 18:49.40 | takatumi | stouset: you are forgetting that she is an op. |
| 18:49.43 | greycat | !pal kneecaps_ |
| 18:49.51 | helix | \begin{helix} ? |
| 18:49.55 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 18:50.04 | Phated | Amen. |
| 18:50.05 | stouset | takatumi: >.< |
| 18:50.08 | asuffield | rememeber folks, it's pronounced "he lick" |
| 18:50.15 | greycat | heh |
| 18:50.22 | helix | heh |
| 18:50.25 | stouset | helix: hot |
| 18:50.39 | greycat | takatumi: it would be redundant, n'est-ce pas? |
| 18:50.39 | Phated | "he licks" is more grammatically correct, though. |
| 18:50.39 | helix | takatumi: because the maintainer closes them with extreme prejudice |
| 18:50.47 | stouset | takatumi: UDEV HAS NO BUGS PLEASE MOVE ALONG SIR. |
| 18:50.56 | kneecaps | takatumi: well there are, but my problem is decribed exactly...but its listed as resolved :/ |
| 18:51.00 | asuffield | and Phated misses the pun :P |
| 18:51.24 | greycat | more of a historic reference than a pun |
| 18:51.26 | Phated | Besides the fact that it's also the more correct pronounciation of "helix"? |
| 18:51.43 | asuffield | Phated: it's the correct pronunciation of *LaTeX* |
| 18:51.45 | helix | Phated: LaTeX is pronounced "la tech" |
| 18:52.00 | asuffield | "lay tech", bloody american |
| 18:52.01 | greycat | Phated: hacker history/culture, proper pronunciation of "TeX" is "Tekhhh", as in the Hebrew/German ch sound. |
| 18:52.09 | Phated | But... but we were talking about latex! |
| 18:52.09 | helix | it's the kind of thing that makes people uncomfortable saying it aloud |
| 18:52.28 | takatumi | kneecaps: ever used reportbug? |
| 18:52.34 | Phated | Now the cat's desperate too. :) |
| 18:52.38 | helix | ugh, why am I using gnome-terminal? |
| 18:52.42 | mwilson | helix: The screen, or the keyboard? :) |
| 18:52.46 | Phated | helix: How are the kitties, by the way? |
| 18:52.48 | helix | well, he's lucky enough to be neutered; I am not |
| 18:52.53 | greycat | mwilson: the case, I would hope. |
| 18:52.54 | stouset | helix: Haha, you can't tell me it's not fun making people feel uncomfortable when you talk about typing in latex when you're at home |
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| 18:53.13 | stouset | helix: Because gnome-terminal is fine? =P |
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| 18:53.21 | helix | bzzt wrong answer |
| 18:53.29 | kneecaps | takatumi: haha..I do it manually! |
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| 18:53.39 | stouset | helix: I'll take Desktop Wars for $400, helix. |
| 18:53.52 | takatumi | kneecaps: no use it and file a meaningful bug. |
| 18:54.04 | takatumi | s/no/no, |
| 18:54.05 | helix | its default keymapping interferes with my irc love |
| 18:54.16 | kneecaps | takatumi: my bug reports generally consist of 'it doesnt work' |
| 18:54.28 | citral | hepful |
| 18:54.31 | takatumi | !fist kneecaps |
| 18:54.32 | Phated | NOT |
| 18:54.33 | stouset | helix: I just use gaim =P |
| 18:54.42 | helix | you must be on drugs |
| 18:54.48 | kneecaps | takatumi: lol..I'm only joking |
| 18:54.49 | helix | shriek, default urxvt |
| 18:54.50 | stouset | The good kind, yes. |
| 18:55.37 | takatumi | kneecaps: re-open the closed bug similar to yours. |
| 18:55.48 | stouset | takatumi: might be closed and pending upload? |
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| 18:55.59 | kneecaps | stouset: wouldn't close until it was update |
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| 18:56.20 | kneecaps | stouset: i don't know why anybody would not just let the system manage closing bugs |
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| 18:57.46 | pwned | will installing python 2.4 from zip break the existing installation badly? |
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| 18:58.03 | pwned | (which is 2.3) |
| 18:58.09 | wegi | does anyone has this cherry solar keyboard in use under linux? |
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| 18:58.31 | takatumi | stouset: take a look at #211217, I just bumped it. |
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| 18:59.01 | takatumi | helix: ion ion ion. |
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| 18:59.20 | takatumi | ionlady in latex! :P |
| 18:59.32 | helix | takatumi: yes, that's the one |
| 18:59.43 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 18:59.47 | asuffield | eew, ion users, that's just gross |
| 18:59.48 | helix | actually, I think X is so fucked that I can't switch to a vt |
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| 19:00.39 | takatumi | asuffield: might we know your favourite? (your Royal Highness) |
| 19:01.01 | asuffield | don't really have one, they're all pretty nasty |
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| 19:01.20 | helix | they do mostly suck |
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| 19:01.26 | takatumi | honestly, yeah all of them suck. |
| 19:01.40 | asuffield | but ion is just gross |
| 19:01.42 | helix | ion is not exactly the zen of desktop use, but it'll do |
| 19:01.44 | stouset | Bah, who needs a window manager? |
| 19:01.45 | asuffield | it's like twn users |
| 19:02.02 | helix | hmm |
| 19:02.29 | asuffield | "fuck's sake, just get laid and get over it" |
| 19:02.29 | stouset | I start up X with just an xterm as my session. |
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| 19:02.29 | cire | Okay, to not be ignorant, I read some docs about including extern source into scripts. But my problem still remains. "$output = do/require file" executes the script on compile time. I tried it, but the output is printed immediately instead of being stored in $output. Sorry, I'm not that precise, and I'm still a beginner. All I want to have is a possibility to run an extern scipt (with access to all vars in my main script) and to get the output in |
| 19:02.30 | cire | a variable. I'm not sure whether I did something wrong, didn't get the problem really, or just trying to do sth which isn't possible. Sorry for this long text. |
| 19:02.56 | citral | stouset: yeah, like it's practic to edit the contrast of a picture in console. |
| 19:02.57 | takatumi | asuffield: http://gpoppy.org/2005-03-24-201839_1024x768_scrot.png (this is all I need in screen) |
| 19:03.08 | stouset | citral: imagemagick! |
| 19:03.16 | citral | bah |
| 19:03.19 | stouset | citral: Or just use vi. |
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| 19:03.37 | stouset | citral: You get to the point where you don't even see the code any more. Blonde...brunette...redhead... |
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| 19:03.53 | citral | he's really on drugs. |
| 19:03.54 | slocate | hi, why in 2.6.11.5 i have to compile acpi in order for apm to work? |
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| 19:04.17 | stouset | slocate: Ask the kernel developers. |
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| 19:04.27 | takatumi | slocate: you have it all backwards. acpi or apm not and |
| 19:04.28 | helix | ah, much better |
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| 19:04.54 | greycat | slocate: if you got it to work at all, be happy and stop asking :) |
| 19:04.58 | takatumi | all you need now is a whip. |
| 19:05.00 | weissi | cire: which skript language? |
| 19:05.22 | slocate | takatumi: i know that |
| 19:05.36 | takatumi | slocate: are you sure? |
| 19:05.53 | cire | perl |
| 19:05.59 | slocate | takatumi: i've had it for a whille in 2.4.* |
| 19:06.20 | Kerr | is there such thing as a counterstrike (client) deb? |
| 19:06.20 | Yuri | q? |
| 19:06.22 | takatumi | slocate: right, and...? |
| 19:06.25 | FieldySnuts | no |
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| 19:06.27 | GCS | Anyone know a good web based admin for Bind9? Can be SQL based, or better if it is. |
| 19:06.38 | weissi | cire: ok, then I can't tell u, forgot all my perl :-( |
| 19:06.39 | FieldySnuts | there isn't a linux native counterstrike client |
| 19:06.44 | greycat | GCS: "web-based admin" and "good" are mututally exclusive |
| 19:06.48 | greycat | minus a t. |
| 19:06.52 | stouset | greycat: /concur |
| 19:06.55 | cire | thought I was in a perl channel |
| 19:06.55 | Kerr | ah |
| 19:07.00 | cire | ;) |
| 19:07.05 | cire | I am not! |
| 19:07.08 | Kerr | so i'd need to mess about with winex to get CS running? |
| 19:07.09 | weissi | cire: no that |
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| 19:07.14 | cire | sorry, wrong channel |
| 19:07.15 | weissi | cire: no that's the debian channel... |
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| 19:07.27 | stouset | Kerr: Pretty much. |
| 19:07.32 | hulu | hi what's a recommended internet phone app? |
| 19:07.42 | Kerr | hulu: skype ? |
| 19:07.56 | citral | there is no such skype for linux afaik |
| 19:08.02 | Kerr | uh |
| 19:08.02 | zuralin | no, there is |
| 19:08.09 | takatumi | but it ain't packaged, compile from source. |
| 19:08.12 | weissi | citral: there is one (closed source i think) |
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| 19:08.22 | Kerr | i hope there is, or i'm using an illusion |
| 19:08.24 | Kerr | lol |
| 19:08.28 | citral | anyway it's closed proprietary source. dunno if there is a good alternative |
| 19:08.28 | ericb_ | is there a sarge for ppc ? |
| 19:08.32 | Kerr | apt-get install skype-static |
| 19:08.35 | takatumi | heard kphone works as well, dunno. |
| 19:08.35 | stouset | Kerr: Entirely possible. |
| 19:08.37 | citral | ericb_: I run it |
| 19:08.39 | GCS | greycat: I tend to be agree. But I have to give it to a secretary. :( Do you know any web based config for such persons? |
| 19:08.50 | ericb_ | citral : cool ! |
| 19:08.57 | citral | ericb_: yeah, really cool :) |
| 19:08.59 | Kerr | i'd hate to think i make phonecalls from nonexistant software |
| 19:08.59 | stouset | GCS: Why...the hell...is a secretary going to be futzing with DNS? |
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| 19:09.17 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 19:09.24 | asuffield | skype is proprietary crap, avoid it |
| 19:09.52 | stouset | Kerr: You haven't studied quantum mechanics much have you. I've got some disconcerting news for you... :-( |
| 19:10.02 | Kerr | asuffield: Proprietary it may be, bu it gets better call quality than other software. |
| 19:10.04 | citral | gnomemeeting works with netmeeting afaik |
| 19:10.06 | hulu | well i'm trying kphone for now |
| 19:10.12 | hulu | ah yes, gnomemeeting |
| 19:10.15 | asuffield | Kerr: that's pure propaganda |
| 19:10.18 | hulu | that was one i was trying to remember |
| 19:10.21 | Kerr | not all closed-source is evil. |
| 19:10.25 | helix | hmm, what passes for garish colors on my desktop is far too bland on this laptop |
| 19:10.34 | greycat | Kerr: it's only acceptable in games |
| 19:10.35 | fly_80 | is it available a debian package for the php module for apache ( version 5.0.x ) ? |
| 19:10.37 | asuffield | no, *all* proprietary crap is crap |
| 19:10.46 | helix | you're proprietary crap |
| 19:10.49 | Kerr | asuffield: in what way is skype crap? |
| 19:10.49 | stouset | helix: Well I guess that's proof you're female. You watch Emeril :-( |
| 19:10.51 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:10.55 | Kerr | asuffield: what does it do wrong? |
| 19:11.13 | asuffield | Kerr: closed protocol, closed code. thusly almost unusable |
| 19:11.19 | greycat | !tell kerr about free |
| 19:11.22 | hulu | what is the latency of the proprietary codec vs. the open one? |
| 19:11.27 | helix | ah, there is better proof that I'm a girl |
| 19:11.28 | ericb_ | citral : got any problem with getting X to work (I have an ati card.. and don't have good experience with them) |
| 19:11.28 | takatumi | !free beer |
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| 19:11.35 | helix | my location in the web of trust, for example |
| 19:11.38 | citral | probably only for x-86 is also highly annoying |
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| 19:12.09 | GCS | stouset: Yes, she will be registering virtual domains. :-| Well, she is not so dumb, so if the boss believes in her, then it is good. |
| 19:12.11 | asuffield | helix: what, "I will put out for signatures"? |
| 19:12.12 | fly_80 | ehy |
| 19:12.15 | citral | ericb_: what model of computer and video card? |
| 19:12.20 | stouset | helix: You mean, at the center of it? =P |
| 19:12.25 | fly_80 | is it available a debian package for the php module for apache ( version 5.0.x ) ? |
| 19:12.33 | helix | I'm actually not quite in the center |
| 19:12.40 | helix | that was pretty funny suff :P |
| 19:12.50 | GCS | stouset: So it shouldn't be so basic web admin, but a usable one. |
| 19:13.01 | citral | grrrr |
| 19:13.14 | stouset | GCS: Give 'em webmin, tell them that what they're asking for is what they'll get. |
| 19:13.29 | ericb_ | citral : it's an imac with a ati rage 128 bit... it wasn't boxed.. so I really don't know the exact config.. it seems to come with a dvd and 40gb drive.. and yellowdog: cat /proc/cpuinfo told me it's a g4 600mHz |
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| 19:14.04 | GCS | stouset: OK. I know webmin, and dislike it a bit, but you are right. |
| 19:14.17 | stouset | GCS: I dislike it with every fiber in my body =P |
| 19:14.48 | stouset | GCS: But I'd wager the secretary is more likely to fuck up than even webmin is, so its problems will likely be overshadowed. |
| 19:15.00 | citral | ericb_: /msg dpkg d-i, pick up the ppc netinst and boot with the kernel 2.6 (important). It should work out of the box, but for 3D acceleration you need to look at people.debian.org/~daenzer |
| 19:15.26 | takatumi | GCS: what you need is a networked firewalled secretary. |
| 19:15.29 | ericb_ | thx a lot citral |
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| 19:15.54 | citral | ericb_: no problem, for further help you can go to #debianppc |
| 19:15.59 | helix | that's awesome |
| 19:16.11 | dambodog | is this really necessry ? -> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8 2.6.8 in order to compile my new kernel? |
| 19:16.18 | takatumi | helix: what is? |
| 19:16.28 | asuffield | (skype also appears to be unstable fragile crap, given that they cite the "We can't release the source because people would find security holes and attack them" excuse; this is only applicable to grossly broken code) |
| 19:16.31 | greycat | dambodog: no. you should never be using mkinitrd manually. |
| 19:16.49 | greycat | dambodog: make-kpkg --initrd or make-kpkg without --initrd. those are your two choices. |
| 19:16.54 | citral | asuffield: ohhhh, bad bad bad |
| 19:17.08 | helix | asuffield: have you used it? |
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| 19:17.55 | dambodog | greycat, ok. so i've --> fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image and then i just install it ? dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8_custom.1.0_i386.deb? |
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| 19:18.41 | asuffield | helix: no, impossible. it cannot be used in a PaBX scenario, so I can't |
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| 19:18.41 | helix | that's so sad |
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| 19:18.41 | chealer | is Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide by Machtelt Garrels included in either doc-linux-{text,html} or doc-linux-nonfree-{text,html}? |
| 19:18.41 | asuffield | skype is only usable by clueless lusers |
| 19:18.48 | greycat | dambodog: if and only if you configured it to NOT need an initrd. |
| 19:19.06 | greycat | dambodog: if you configured it to need an initrd, you must use --initrd in the make-kpkg command. |
| 19:19.07 | helix | argh |
| 19:19.21 | stouset | asuffield: Skype is entirely usable. Just because it's closed doesn't mean it's crap. Just because their excuse for not opening it is "security" doesn't mean that's the actual reason. |
| 19:19.25 | helix | obey me, shell prompt |
| 19:19.30 | dambodog | greycat, ok. |
| 19:19.34 | greycat | be careful what you wish for, helix. |
| 19:19.39 | helix | oh, it did |
| 19:19.40 | helix | yay |
| 19:19.42 | MobyTurbo | chealer: is it on tldp? |
| 19:19.55 | stouset | asuffield: It may in fact be crap, and the reason they don't release code may in fact be because it's crap. But the two aren't necessarily the only reality. |
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| 19:20.19 | stouset | helix: Why are you surprised that the shell obeyed you? =P |
| 19:20.21 | oguz | hi, as i said yesterday i mailed to the Turk Telecom people, if they consider it i hope they will take care about the spam problem in Turkey |
| 19:20.40 | asuffield | stouset: they claim they don't release code because it's crap |
| 19:20.46 | Ronin | oguz: honestly dont hold your breath on that |
| 19:21.02 | oguz | Ronin, why did u say that |
| 19:21.06 | helix | suff communicates via mental telepathy |
| 19:21.12 | asuffield | stouset: and it's not usable for me or any of my users because it can't operate via a voip PaBX |
| 19:21.25 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:21.48 | citral | :| |
| 19:21.51 | Ronin | oguz: id say you aren't the first to email them complaining about about the spam coming from that isp and so far nothing has apparently been done, but hey never hurts to keep trying |
| 19:21.53 | asuffield | helix: 'mental telepathy'? what other kinds of telepathy are there? |
| 19:22.08 | InitMass | how do i burn a dvd out of a lot af .vob, .ifo and .bup files? i want the movie to be easy playable in the computer |
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| 19:22.27 | helix | vaginal telepathy? |
| 19:22.35 | pagux | hello |
| 19:22.36 | citral | mmm |
| 19:22.39 | asuffield | helix: how does that work? |
| 19:22.48 | helix | why am I not surprised you don't know? |
| 19:22.48 | pagux | i have just installed sarge |
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| 19:22.56 | takatumi | GCS: please keep it on the channel, and no, I don't have a secretary. |
| 19:23.06 | stouset | asuffield: "not usable because it can't operate via a voip PaBX" and "only usable by clueless lusers" are not orthogonal =P |
| 19:23.06 | pagux | apt has only repo defined thats my dvd |
| 19:23.13 | greycat | pagux: apt-setup |
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| 19:23.19 | pagux | pl tell the online repo address for testing branch |
| 19:23.24 | oguz | Ronin, i see, i dont know what i can do about that |
| 19:23.41 | greycat | pagux: run apt-setup |
| 19:23.49 | pagux | are there different repository for different branches ?? |
| 19:23.53 | greycat | pagux: run apt-setup |
| 19:23.54 | asuffield | helix: ...I'm going to assume you're just being female and pay no attention :P |
| 19:24.02 | helix | "girls have cooties!" |
| 19:24.15 | greycat | asuffield: if she starts being male, I'd probably be a bit concerned. |
| 19:24.17 | stouset | helix: Mental telepathy? |
| 19:24.23 | stouset | helix: I only have anal telepathy. *sigh* |
| 19:24.28 | oguz | last night i was talking with my friend and he asked me why Debain banned the ips, Gentoo channell didnt do it, |
| 19:24.43 | helix | raise your hand if you think stouset is clever |
| 19:24.44 | briareus | greycat> if i have apt sources set, some i want to keep and some i dont, will apt-setup overwrite everything?> |
| 19:24.45 | helix | ... |
| 19:24.47 | Ronin | oguz: because #debian probibly had enough where as gentoo hasnt snapped yet |
| 19:24.47 | greycat | oguz: you're starting to become a troll now. |
| 19:24.48 | pagux | cool man debian rocks |
| 19:24.52 | stouset | *doesn't raise hand* |
| 19:24.56 | pagux | fc sucks |
| 19:24.58 | stouset | dammit |
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| 19:25.04 | stouset | I didn't see someone else made the joke =\ |
| 19:25.09 | helix | I wonder why I haven't put $HOME in svn or something yet |
| 19:25.10 | takatumi | oguz: if the spam bots return, it will probably revert. |
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| 19:25.14 | helix | is arch usable for something like that? |
| 19:25.15 | pagux | now i realize it :-) |
| 19:25.27 | dambodog | greycat, i could not exec. the command make-kpkg without --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image - syntx ?:\ |
| 19:25.30 | karamelos | I can't send mails to external addresses with mail. I get an error mail saying "unkown local part" |
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| 19:25.39 | greycat | dambodog: man make-kpkg |
| 19:25.49 | greycat | dambodog: if you have to ask this stuff, you SHOULD NOT be building your own kernels. |
| 19:26.08 | greycat | karamelos: /msg dpkg mail tutorial /msg dpkg faq |
| 19:26.26 | dambodog | greycat, i used tio build the kernel the old way. i just never used make-kpkg before |
| 19:26.45 | helix | yay, pretty prompt |
| 19:26.51 | greycat | dambodog: I stopped building them the "old way" when they finally admitted that their "stable" releases are actually heaping piles of alpha quality bugware. |
| 19:26.57 | citral | dambodog: the read the damned man page man |
| 19:27.04 | greycat | actually, I stopped before that, but I wanted to say that. |
| 19:27.13 | oguz | i see now more clearly |
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| 19:27.34 | briareus | greycat> aplha quality bugware? debian? can you elaborate? Im new to debian |
| 19:27.43 | greycat | briareus: no, not debian. linux. |
| 19:27.45 | oguz | so those bot problem had happened for a time period and it is not going on now |
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| 19:28.11 | greycat | oguz: after a few hundred K-lines and bans, yes, the frequency has dropped. |
| 19:28.32 | dambodog | greycat, ok |
| 19:28.51 | dambodog | citral, smart |
| 19:29.02 | citral | I did it too |
| 19:29.03 | oguz | greycat, ok i see now |
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| 19:29.45 | maketo | hi, anyone know of a tool that will convert mbox to imap ? |
| 19:29.52 | citral | mb2md |
| 19:29.55 | greycat | !confuse maketo |
| 19:29.55 | dpkg | No, how was my pants tomorrow, maketo? shirts of the republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 19:29.59 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 19:30.05 | abrotman | you mean mbox to Maildir? |
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| 19:30.17 | citral | what else? |
| 19:30.19 | abrotman | mbox can be used with imap .. why you would i don't know .. but afaik .. it can |
| 19:30.22 | GCS | takatumi: I asked if you meant that a secretary should not get access to DNS. |
| 19:30.35 | greycat | abrotman: you'd "want to" only if you were absolutely clueless. |
| 19:30.38 | stouset | GCS: basically =P |
| 19:30.45 | abrotman | greycat: or had BlueGene for a mailserver? :) |
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| 19:31.10 | takatumi | GCS: what do you think? can you trust him/her? |
| 19:31.21 | maketo | greycat : I am clueless about this stuff. I actually thought it should be mbox to maildir and my colleague told me it is mbox to imap |
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| 19:31.26 | GCS | stouset: I see. :) |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | maketo: tell your collegue they are an idiot |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | nevermind i can't spell |
| 19:31.41 | helix | hrm, there's no way to have a semi hierarchichal view of mutt mailboxes, is there? |
| 19:31.52 | maketo | abrotman : :) ok thanks |
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| 19:32.01 | GCS | takatumi: Well, the boss said it will be her duty, and I have to agree. I can not say edit the db files from a shell. |
| 19:32.06 | justin | greycat: ever see the 'custom kernel' factoid I made? :-) |
| 19:32.29 | valdyn_ | helix: via directories |
| 19:32.37 | GCS | takatumi: And well, she is studying at a University now, has good marks, so I think I can trust her. |
| 19:32.48 | GCS | takatumi: She is not that dumb type. |
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| 19:33.11 | takatumi | GCS: good, good. |
| 19:33.15 | nolf | is there some app tht could tell me the bandwidth allocated to various clients |
| 19:33.19 | abrotman | GCS: smart and trustworthy aren't mutual |
| 19:33.25 | nolf | connected to tht server for tht matter |
| 19:33.30 | helix | valdyn_: yeah, but do you have to enter the directories to display the mailboxes? or can you have it display them without doing that? |
| 19:33.46 | helix | valdyn_: the ability to collapse and expand would be nice as well, but I'm not sure if it's possible.. |
| 19:34.17 | Blissex | nolf: not very well defined question. |
| 19:34.20 | greycat | justin: the one that points to the obsd faq? yes. |
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| 19:34.29 | Blissex | nolf: however, check Ethereal |
| 19:34.32 | valdyn_ | helix: <enter> on a mailbox file opens it and shows content, same for directories |
| 19:34.39 | helix | yeah, that's lame |
| 19:34.46 | nolf | i need to know a bandwidth management app tht could centrally maintain a database |
| 19:34.47 | helix | I know how to use mutt, it's just insufficient |
| 19:34.54 | greycat | helix: tell #mutt :) |
| 19:35.02 | nolf | regarding bw allocated to the clients tht are accessin the network usin it |
| 19:35.06 | helix | but then I might have to join another channel |
| 19:35.12 | helix | the horrors :( |
| 19:35.14 | nolf | ethereal is a sniffer |
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| 19:35.15 | Blissex | nolf: dreams, dreams, sweet dreams. |
| 19:35.40 | nolf | blissex, looks like i went rong somewhere |
| 19:35.44 | GCS | abrotman, takatumi: Well, we are a bit slipped to offtopic. So if I put this to the boss then, can you tell me a usable web based admin for Bind9? |
| 19:35.45 | nolf | help plz |
| 19:35.49 | asuffield | tcpdump is a sniffer. ethereal is a traffic analyser |
| 19:35.58 | greycat | GCS: ask #dns |
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| 19:36.01 | Blissex | nolf: your goal is not well defined. |
| 19:36.10 | GCS | asuffield: ethereal can be used to sniff... |
| 19:36.19 | Blissex | nolf: there is no such thing as the ''bandwidth allocated to an app''. |
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| 19:36.31 | Jacobo221 | what is the difference between ncurses and ncursesw ? |
| 19:36.40 | jim | w |
| 19:36.42 | nolf | ni need to know the bw allocated to clients connected to an ISP for tht matter |
| 19:36.46 | Blissex | nolf: what you can do is to log/measure traffic by host and port. |
| 19:36.56 | abrotman | mrtg ? |
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| 19:37.27 | Blissex | nolf: and that can be done in a couple of ways depending on the level of detail. Ethereal, MRTG, or you can set up a Linux gateway to measure things by class. |
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| 19:37.45 | nolf | say i wanna do it by ips |
| 19:37.49 | nolf | rather than classes |
| 19:38.05 | abrotman | google "linux software bandwidth usage IP" ? |
| 19:38.17 | Blissex | nolf: then you want to measure usage by host... Where you measuring it? |
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| 19:38.29 | nolf | on the server thts acting as the gateway |
| 19:38.37 | valdyn_ | nolf: that ought to be at www.lartc.org |
| 19:38.42 | jim | I want to take all the files (there are about 8000 of them) and create an isofs with these files in them... |
| 19:38.52 | abrotman | mkisofs ? |
| 19:38.52 | jim | what program? any gotchas? |
| 19:38.54 | Blissex | nolf: I suspect that <abrotman>'s suggestion is not a bad idea. |
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| 19:39.25 | Blissex | nolf: another thing to look for is various so called ''ip accounting'' packages. |
| 19:39.52 | Blissex | nolf: most of them use something like a sniffer, or something like the classes in advanced IP routing. |
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| 19:40.18 | nolf | wud follow ur lead |
| 19:40.21 | greycat | jim: mkisofs |
| 19:40.31 | nolf | thnx for the help guyz esp. blissex |
| 19:40.37 | jim | reading man page now; thanks :) |
| 19:40.58 | Blissex | nolf: valdyn_ pointer to LARTC.org is also good, that's where the ''traffic control'' stuff that defines classes is found... |
| 19:41.05 | jim | anyone know if 8000 files is too many to be in an isofs? |
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| 19:41.13 | jim | all in one dir |
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| 19:41.34 | takatumi | 8000 pr0n files. |
| 19:41.38 | renato | can someone tell me where to find a manual for ctorrent |
| 19:41.50 | jim | could be :) |
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| 19:42.06 | greycat | renato: uh... in the source code? |
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| 19:42.27 | renato | i tried man and its got no docs |
| 19:42.31 | green_earz | jim: have at Section 3: Making ISO images http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~help/unix_linux/linux/linux_cdwriter.html |
| 19:42.38 | renato | so can u help me get to the source?? |
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| 19:43.29 | jim | green_earz, I'll give that a shot :) thanks |
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| 19:43.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:43.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:43.37 | green_earz | np |
| 19:43.44 | renato | i really need that manual! |
| 19:43.46 | ro | 8000 is a small number, depends on format though. ridiculous limitations. |
| 19:44.06 | jim | ro: good to know |
| 19:44.10 | greycat | renato: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 19:44.13 | greycat | !find ctorrent |
| 19:44.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ctorrent' returned no results. |
| 19:44.30 | greycat | renato: it's off topic. have fun. |
| 19:44.44 | chealer | MobyTurbo: sorry, yes, it's on TLDP |
| 19:44.55 | jim | renato: install a package that has executables, normally the man pages for each will be installed. |
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| 19:45.12 | Meghan | Is debian back in active development? |
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| 19:45.22 | greycat | Meghan: it never stopped, TTBOMK |
| 19:45.27 | takatumi | Meghan: perpetually. |
| 19:45.32 | McLamb | is there anyway to set cron to not email you? |
| 19:45.33 | ro | jim, check out Rockridge extensions and Joliet format |
| 19:45.41 | Meghan | Well, last time I used it, it was Woody, how far has it gone since then? ;) |
| 19:46.01 | takatumi | Meghan: oh, then we are at a standstill. :) |
| 19:46.09 | jim | will joliet let me store longer, mixed-case names? |
| 19:46.10 | Meghan | lol |
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| 19:46.19 | greycat | Meghan: sarge is still "testing". |
| 19:46.23 | Meghan | OMG |
| 19:46.24 | Meghan | :P |
| 19:46.30 | greycat | Meghan: but the third release candidate of the sarge installer just came out |
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| 19:46.45 | jim | Meghan: it's up to sid now! (you can cache this response; it will work forever) |
| 19:46.46 | McLamb | greycat: and its pretty cool |
| 19:46.46 | ro | jim, joliet is MS compatible and i think has a 256 char limit on names, but check the web |
| 19:46.53 | Meghan | Ok. |
| 19:46.54 | greycat | jim: you want both -J (joliet) and -r (rock ridge) |
| 19:47.03 | greycat | jim: the former for windows users, the latter for unix, |
| 19:47.11 | jim | ok, cool |
| 19:47.14 | greycat | or maybe it's -R, I forget. |
| 19:47.21 | greycat | I normally do "ESC / mkisofs ENTER" |
| 19:47.25 | jim | I'll find it |
| 19:47.32 | ro | greycat: he wants to know also the limits on those formats |
| 19:47.32 | MobyTurbo | jim: -R is probably what you want, unless you don't want to keep your attributes |
| 19:47.45 | ro | greycat: you burn your pr0n backups that often? |
| 19:47.55 | Meghan | lol |
| 19:47.55 | jim | attributes? you mean like file perms/owners? |
| 19:47.58 | greycat | ro: I do my normal system weekly backups to CD-RW |
| 19:48.01 | MobyTurbo | jim: yes |
| 19:48.13 | ro | greycat: nice |
| 19:48.18 | jim | doesn't matter much |
| 19:48.19 | Meghan | Send me some ;) |
| 19:48.24 | MobyTurbo | jim: unless you want everything root:root and read-only |
| 19:48.26 | jim | pr0ns? |
| 19:48.30 | Meghan | Sure. |
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| 19:48.33 | ro | me too |
| 19:48.37 | Meghan | :P |
| 19:48.42 | ro | lol |
| 19:48.44 | jim | should I debone them first? |
| 19:48.52 | jim | and roast them over open fire? |
| 19:48.58 | Meghan | heh |
| 19:49.03 | greycat | not prawn pr0n. |
| 19:49.08 | jim | oh :) |
| 19:49.13 | ro | omg |
| 19:49.15 | ro | PRAWN |
| 19:49.18 | jim | don't got none of them :) |
| 19:49.19 | Meghan | lol |
| 19:49.20 | takatumi | that's de-vein. |
| 19:49.24 | greycat | ro: yes, jim has that kind of a sense of humor. |
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| 19:49.33 | ro | ah ha =) |
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| 19:49.44 | ro | k have to clean the bathroom dang |
| 19:49.47 | jim | devein? |
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| 19:49.50 | Meghan | Dont fall in. |
| 19:49.55 | Meghan | cheers folk |
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| 19:50.06 | jim | well that too, but I don't like tailbones on pr0ns |
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| 19:51.40 | greycat | takatumi: do you wear your apr0n when you do it? |
| 19:51.52 | hachi | anyone having problems with openldap's slapd segfaulting? |
| 19:51.53 | jim | takatumi: of this I have no doubt |
| 19:51.55 | takatumi | greycat: naah, just a t-shirt. |
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| 19:52.46 | jim | hachi: better you describe your problems that YOU are having, and a shortish history of usage and problems encountered would be helpful too |
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| 19:53.39 | hachi | jim: a valuable point |
| 19:53.42 | jim | that way, you actually provide -information- helpers can use, and if they recognize an existing problem as matching part of your history, they'll probably tell ya :) |
| 19:54.07 | renato | thanks jim |
| 19:54.28 | renato | ure no help grey cat |
| 19:54.37 | renato | u probably dont know shit |
| 19:54.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:54.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | idiot |
| 19:54.46 | citral | abrutis |
| 19:54.51 | renato | buy guys |
| 19:54.56 | citral | heh |
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| 19:55.20 | hachi | currently running sarge, up to date as of this morning; I am experiencing slapd (openldap) segfaults during startup, as far as I can see they may be related to the libdb usage, any suggestions on getting this working? (I also tried slapd from experimental out of curiosity) |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | bts? |
| 19:55.44 | appaji | hachi: did you check for a bug in the bts? |
| 19:55.53 | thorie | ok this tcpdump thing is getting me annoyed, here's what I have: tcpdump -vv -i em1 'tcp[13] & 6 == 1 && port 25' ... this should show me all SYN packets (6th bit of the 13th tcp header byte) on port 25... but it's not working... any of you experts see what im doing wrong? |
| 19:55.56 | jim | hachi: experimental is also segfaulting? |
| 19:56.04 | appaji | hachi: if there isn't any, you should file one, run it with strace and paste relevant output in the bug report. |
| 19:56.07 | hachi | yes, same place |
| 19:56.33 | jim | hachi: same place? hmm... experimental version is identical maybe? |
| 19:56.35 | hachi | what's "bts"? |
| 19:56.39 | greycat | hachi: /topic |
| 19:56.42 | jim | bug tracking system |
| 19:56.45 | appaji | hachi: bugs.debian.org |
| 19:56.55 | hachi | oh, bug tracking system |
| 19:57.16 | hachi | I did check there... saw nothing related |
| 19:57.22 | jim | very helpful to see what others have found out wrt problems in particular packages |
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| 19:57.30 | jim | ok, then: logs? |
| 19:57.51 | peritus_ | i have a package (with status rc) that i cannot delete with dpkg --purge, how can i remove it? its a custom kernel package that i build on my own |
| 19:57.51 | asuffield | thorie: too many things to count. go read the examples in the manpage |
| 19:58.23 | thorie | asuffield: i did, and im almost sure it's right (at least based on the diagram of the tcp header im looking at... the 6th byte is the SYN field, and i want it to be ON == 1) |
| 19:58.41 | asuffield | thorie: there is an example of how to match the SYN flag. it is not that. |
| 19:58.43 | greycat | surely tcpdump must have a special switch for SYN? |
| 19:59.01 | thorie | asuffield: the 7th field is the FIN field, and if i do tcp[13] & 7 == 1, it correctly filters for all F packets |
| 19:59.02 | asuffield | greycat: near enough |
| 19:59.17 | thorie | asuffield: which makes me wonder WHY if it works for the 7th field, is it not working for the 6th? |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | you think & 7 gives the 7th field?? |
| 19:59.24 | appaji | hachi: how about you start slapd and running it from within strace and checking where it is segfaulting! |
| 19:59.39 | asuffield | greycat: it's just too wrong for me to bear explaining |
| 20:00.07 | thorie | greycat: oh wait |
| 20:00.10 | thorie | greycat: my bad |
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| 20:00.31 | thorie | greycat: if i want the 6th bit, i need to use 2^6 right? |
| 20:00.41 | asuffield | thorie: GO AND READ THE FUCKING MANPAGE |
| 20:00.56 | jim | at least that's direct... |
| 20:01.01 | asuffield | you never know, it might sink in |
| 20:01.32 | thorie | tcp[13] & 64 == 1 is the 6th bit? |
| 20:01.33 | hachi | appaji/jim, your recommendations are wonderful and all, but openldap uses thread, so strace does no good for me... I'm searching for a way to get what you're looking for |
| 20:01.44 | greycat | it looks like SYN is not the 6th bit, either. |
| 20:01.58 | jim | hachi: what about logs? |
| 20:01.58 | greycat | if this man page is accurate, it's the second-least-significant bit |
| 20:02.09 | asuffield | greycat: you never need to know that stuff anyway |
| 20:02.15 | jim | what do they say in front of the crash? |
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| 20:02.30 | hgoesm | hi |
| 20:02.33 | asuffield | the manpage demonstrates how to do it. it does not involve bit positions. |
| 20:02.34 | jim | slapd logs to daemon.log? |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.37 | pbryan | hi. |
| 20:02.38 | hachi | jim: currently the logs end with "slapd starting" |
| 20:02.39 | greycat | Hah, I love it. xl0. |
| 20:02.40 | thorie | greycat: 0th, 1st, 2nd (urg), 3rd (ack), 4th (psh), 5th (rst), 6th (syn), 7th (fin) |
| 20:02.53 | thorie | greycat: with 0th and 1st unused? |
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| 20:03.01 | greycat | thorie: you're reading it backwards. |
| 20:03.03 | MobyTurbo | thorie is probably trying to make us do his homework for him.. |
| 20:03.12 | hgoesm | do i need for NFS a domiancontroler? |
| 20:03.12 | igraltist | hi |
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| 20:03.22 | igraltist | where i can find kdm_greet ? |
| 20:03.27 | greycat | thorie: 0th (FIN), 1st (SYN), 2nd (R), etc. |
| 20:03.27 | asuffield | greycat: what manpage are you reading? |
| 20:03.28 | thorie | it's not homework, im writing a script for my linux box to log mail connections because im getting too much spam shit |
| 20:03.32 | greycat | asuffield: man tcpdump on woody |
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| 20:03.44 | thorie | greycat: oh. |
| 20:03.49 | jim | hgoesm: domain controller? that's a Microsoft Windows NT thing... NFS is a unix thing :) |
| 20:04.07 | hgoesm | i know |
| 20:04.10 | thorie | tcp[13] & 2 == 1 would be SYN, greycat? |
| 20:04.12 | asuffield | greycat: oh, way down there. the sid manpage is better, and the real example is much earlier on |
| 20:04.16 | jim | then you know the answer :) |
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| 20:04.28 | Aimaz | is there a way to use this XFS disk I have without recompiling my kernel? |
| 20:04.31 | poonj | hey guys, to mount a smb share, so I use mount -t smb? or smbmount? |
| 20:04.42 | poonj | I can't find smbmount, and mount -t smb doesn't work for me.. |
| 20:04.42 | greycat | thorie: appears that way |
| 20:04.44 | citral | a manpage is never better, but less crap. |
| 20:04.45 | jim | or if you don't, then I can say: unix is wholly independent of all things Microsoft |
| 20:04.45 | Covener | poonj: mount -t smbfs |
| 20:04.48 | hgoesm | but i read this hear http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/netzwerk:nfs_hilfe |
| 20:04.53 | hgoesm | its german |
| 20:05.00 | Morrowyn | is there a kde3.4 for debian already? |
| 20:05.02 | greycat | citral: you've been using linux too long. |
| 20:05.02 | poonj | thanks |
| 20:05.09 | thorie | greycat: tcpdump 'tcp[13] & 2 == 1 && port 25' showing no results |
| 20:05.09 | MobyTurbo | Morrowyn: /topic |
| 20:05.09 | jim | and -now- you know the answer :) |
| 20:05.16 | chealer | Morrowyn: #debian-kde |
| 20:05.20 | greycat | thorie: that part, I cannot help you with. |
| 20:05.22 | Covener | poonj: smbfs package installed? |
| 20:05.24 | Morrowyn | :) okies |
| 20:05.26 | poonj | yeah |
| 20:05.29 | poonj | I modulated it |
| 20:05.34 | hgoesm | can you give me a better whoto |
| 20:05.36 | thorie | greycat: i don't think it's the order you mentioned |
| 20:05.52 | greycat | thorie: I've never done this stuff. I'm just reading the man page as we go along. |
| 20:06.05 | poonj | is it |
| 20:06.18 | poonj | mount -t smbfs \\SERVER\SHARE /MNT? |
| 20:06.19 | greycat | thorie: oh no, wait, it would NEVER be = 1. It would be 2. |
| 20:06.26 | rink | en |
| 20:06.26 | poonj | or are there more backslashes? |
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| 20:06.32 | greycat | You can never get 1 by ANDing something with 2. |
| 20:06.46 | citral | greycat: yeah, the time has come for a header in bsd's world. |
| 20:06.47 | thorie | greycat: oh... so i need to do != 0 probably |
| 20:06.51 | jim | if bitwise |
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| 20:07.03 | greycat | thorie: that sounds much better |
| 20:07.08 | thorie | greycat: ooooooh that works!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO!!! |
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| 20:07.49 | citral | amazIIINGGGGGGGG !!!!!!!!\!\!: |
| 20:08.10 | jim | zIIINGGGGGGGG !!!!!!!!\!\!: |
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| 20:09.47 | thorie | lol |
| 20:09.50 | thorie | u guys are nuts |
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| 20:10.22 | cwj | font antialiasing seems busted on my sid boxes as of last week or so. what have i done wrong? |
| 20:11.33 | jim | cwj: something between the time you last knew it worked, and now. |
| 20:11.49 | jim | (this is also a cachable response) |
| 20:11.57 | Covener | cwj: using the wrong fonts? not antialiasing? always/sometimes? try running XFT_DEBUG=7 xterm -fa "mono" and playing around with your local.conf/.fonts.conf |
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| 20:13.47 | karamelos | is there a way cron or other similar program can randomly select intervals to perform tasks? |
| 20:13.50 | peritus_ | when will sarge be released as stable? i know there is no date for the release. is it days, weeks or months? |
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| 20:14.18 | jim | wir |
| 20:14.22 | cwj | i've tried replacing my local.conf with a standard (blank) file, my fonts.conf is default afaik |
| 20:14.23 | jim | siyh |
| 20:14.35 | cwj | i will see what i can determine via xterm with debug |
| 20:14.54 | EvilAl | Hi everyone. |
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| 20:15.08 | jim | peritus_: release times aren't announced in advance |
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| 20:15.27 | EvilAl | can anyone tell me how I can set it up so that when I press the hardware eject button on my CD drive, it performs an unmount-and-eject as though I'd right-clicked the CD icon? |
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| 20:15.32 | simonrvn | @wir |
| 20:15.33 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 20:15.35 | EvilAl | ...and chosen eject |
| 20:15.35 | valdyn_ | karamelos: eh? |
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| 20:15.48 | valdyn_ | karamelos: why the hell randomly? |
| 20:15.50 | TechDawg | is there a simple command line package retriever for deb like pkg_add in BSD? |
| 20:16.02 | peritus_ | jim: i know, but someone must know about how long time it will take |
| 20:16.06 | simonrvn | are you serious? |
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| 20:16.31 | simonrvn | TechDawg: um, man apt-get |
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| 20:16.44 | MobyTurbo | TechDawg: apt-get is quite central to a Debian system |
| 20:16.46 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 20:16.46 | dpkg | No, xemacs_, you're not online any more. |
| 20:16.49 | TechDawg | thanks, couldn't remember it. |
| 20:17.00 | karamelos | valdyn_, for example I need to take 15 screenshots a week, but let them be taken randomly. |
| 20:17.04 | jim | peritus_: one thing I do know, is a new release candidate of debian-installer has been unveiled... you could try it and see if it werks gud |
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| 20:17.24 | simonrvn | "werks gud"? |
| 20:17.25 | greycat | karamelos: for what? |
| 20:17.30 | simonrvn | @lart jim |
| 20:17.49 | Covener | karamelos: you can run sleep for random intervals in shell scripts that get fired off regularly |
| 20:17.51 | peritus_ | jim: sarge works perfectly for me, but i want it to be stable to be supported by the security team :) |
| 20:18.03 | aylee | Hello, I'm running sarge's 2.6.8-2-686 and I have cpufreq_userspace module loaded, but when I try to run cpudynd, it says "Error: Nothing to do, exiting." I'm running it on my T40 laptop. Can anoyone help me? |
| 20:18.17 | simonrvn | peritus_: then wait. should be pretty soon |
| 20:18.26 | peritus_ | i hope so |
| 20:18.37 | jim | peritus_: it is! the ONLY difference is that stable releases get security updates |
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| 20:19.01 | simonrvn | mmmm, yummy merguez |
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| 20:19.16 | jim | the only reason they do, is that once released, the packages of a debian dist NEVER get new things, so there has to be another mechanism |
| 20:19.29 | karamelos | Covener, that's interesting, but I guess sleep won't care about how many times the task is to be perform in the given interval. |
| 20:19.32 | JoshTriplett | Does libtool DTRT regarding -fPIC for shared libs and not for static libs? |
| 20:19.41 | greycat | jim: any security fixes sarge gets before release are coincidental |
| 20:19.53 | greycat | jim: it's not a substitute for coverage |
| 20:19.55 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: DTRT? |
| 20:19.55 | hachi | appaji and jim: this is incredibly fun, if I run it under gdb it doesn't crash... if I run it in debug mode under strace it says there is a segmentation fault, but nothing is named as happening before it, and if I run it normally it exits silently |
| 20:20.02 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Do the right thing |
| 20:20.06 | valdyn_ | karamelos: can you write a small program to generate a random number and print it? |
| 20:20.13 | greycat | valdyn_: echo $RANDOM |
| 20:20.16 | hachi | I wonder if thread local storage is eating it somehow |
| 20:20.21 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: most of the time |
| 20:20.22 | valdyn_ | greycat: oh!, nice |
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| 20:20.34 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Can you elaborate? :) |
| 20:20.51 | Covener | karamelos: you can probably massage the random number to be between say 6 and 12 hours from a certain time every day |
| 20:20.52 | greycat | I wouldn't build a roguelike game out of bash's PRNG but it should suffice for simple jobs |
| 20:20.55 | valdyn_ | greycat: thats a random integer? |
| 20:21.01 | greycat | valdyn_: man bash |
| 20:21.08 | Covener | karamelos: launch it daily from cron, have it wake up once per day |
| 20:21.10 | TechDawg | Thanks for the advice, I'm a bit rusty on deb. |
| 20:21.16 | jim | hachi: ok, I suggest a somewhat extreme measure: rebuild the package that contains slapd from source into a debian package and install the result... then see if it does that still... if so, something not related to slapd is wrong |
| 20:21.20 | simonrvn | most of the time - using recent shit it will detect if -fPIC / -DPIC is/are needed. i rarely have to set it manually now |
| 20:21.26 | valdyn_ | greycat: neat |
| 20:21.31 | jim | well, can't say that for sure |
| 20:21.32 | appaji | hachi: are you running slapd directly or some wrappers over it under strace? |
| 20:21.32 | Knight_Lord | valdyn_, you can also try to cat /dev/urandom |
| 20:21.39 | jim | but it is worth a shot |
| 20:21.41 | greycat | good for things like "pick a random file from this directory and cat it" |
| 20:21.43 | EvilAl | Anyone know how to get hardware-eject to unmount and eject? :-s |
| 20:21.51 | EvilAl | on a CD drive |
| 20:21.55 | valdyn_ | Knight_Lord: yea, true, "dd" even |
| 20:21.57 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: What do you mean "detect if needed"? Do you mean that it won't use it if on a platform that can go without it? |
| 20:21.58 | greycat | Knight_Lord: massively overkill. |
| 20:22.25 | Knight_Lord | greycat, probably depends on the amount of numbers you want |
| 20:22.28 | jim | EvilAl: how would you get the indication of the eject button press into the linux? |
| 20:22.34 | appaji | hachi: it might be useful to check if you have bad RAM, run memtest on the machine. Sometimes unexplained segfaults at the same place in similar conditions are because of bad memory. |
| 20:22.35 | hachi | appaji: no wrappers |
| 20:22.39 | teslamike | Does anyone know how to install an hp dvd630e dvd+rw dl dvd usb dvd burner, or have any information on how i would go about doing this? |
| 20:22.41 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: that i don't know. though i suspect it might; i only build on PPC, which needs it |
| 20:22.45 | EvilAl | I don't know. I assumed there was a way. |
| 20:22.51 | greycat | Knight_Lord: in practice, if you need more/better randomness than $RANDOM can give, you're already past bash's design goals. |
| 20:22.57 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: I just don't want my packages to violate policy. |
| 20:23.03 | jim | teslamike: you need screwdrivers and cables and stuff |
| 20:23.07 | greycat | Knight_Lord: so you're probably writing it in c or perl anyway |
| 20:23.07 | hachi | I'm betting this is related to thread local storage |
| 20:23.10 | Knight_Lord | greycat, yup, i didn't know this was for basg |
| 20:23.13 | teslamike | jim: its usb... |
| 20:23.14 | valdyn_ | karamelos: echo "someprogram" | at now+$RANDOM minutes |
| 20:23.14 | Knight_Lord | bash* |
| 20:23.19 | EvilAl | Seemed a bit weird that I had to use software to eject hardware. |
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| 20:23.29 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: over a (fairly) common flag? i doubt it. |
| 20:23.29 | jim | teslamike: plug it on in! |
| 20:23.34 | EvilAl | 'specially since other OSes get told about it. |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | valdyn_: $((RANDOM % 3600 + 1)) maybe. |
| 20:23.41 | teslamike | jim: done... how do i make it go? |
| 20:23.51 | greycat | valdyn_: could wait a long time, otherwise... |
| 20:23.52 | jim | put wheels underneath? |
| 20:23.59 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Do you know if there's a way to check if a given shlib or static lib was built with -fPIC or not? |
| 20:23.59 | jim | and push? |
| 20:24.01 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea, thats for him to figure ) |
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| 20:24.04 | simonrvn | and push it down the hill |
| 20:24.09 | teslamike | thnx |
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| 20:24.20 | teslamike | i'll give it a shot |
| 20:24.21 | aylee | Does ACPI work with 2.6.8-2? |
| 20:24.30 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: if there is, i don't know it |
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| 20:24.40 | Knight_Lord | does stopping sshd kills existing connections? |
| 20:24.43 | teslamike | :s |
| 20:24.44 | hachi | appaji and jim, the answer is thread local storage... libtls, it was causing it to die |
| 20:24.45 | jim | check the logs to see if the linux usb subsystem sees something connecting |
| 20:24.47 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Alright. Thanks for the info. |
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| 20:24.49 | JoshTriplett | Knight_Lord: No. |
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| 20:24.59 | karamelos | valdyn_, mm, but how to limit the times the task is perform randomly during a given interval? |
| 20:25.01 | JoshTriplett | Knight_Lord: For example, you can safely upgrade over SSH. |
| 20:25.10 | jim | hachi: so did you solve the problem? |
| 20:25.16 | Knight_Lord | JoshTriplett, yea that was my feeling, thanks |
| 20:25.18 | valdyn_ | karamelos: the line i gave will execute it only once |
| 20:25.55 | hachi | jim: by disabling thread local storage, yes... what matters in this case is the fact that I'm not operating on a real machine... this is a uml machine |
| 20:26.03 | teslamike | jim: sorry, where would i find this log? |
| 20:26.17 | jim | in /var/log/something |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn_ | karamelos: run it 15 times and it will be executed at 15 random points the next ~32k minutes |
| 20:26.48 | jim | maybe messages? daemon.log? syslog? the kernel log which I don't know the name for that file? |
| 20:26.54 | jim | klog maybe |
| 20:27.16 | JoshTriplett | jim: To see if something connected? just run "dmesg". |
| 20:27.21 | jim | btw, does it go if you add the wheels and push? :) |
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| 20:27.58 | jim | JoshTriplett: ahh, sure... but it might be useful to also watch the log while connecting and disconnectign the serial |
| 20:28.06 | jim | the usb cable rather |
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| 20:29.46 | teslamike | jim: the wheels didn't work so well... probably should have attached them more securely |
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| 20:29.59 | teslamike | also, can't find anything in dmesg, or the logs |
| 20:30.00 | jim | or used axles :) |
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| 20:30.10 | teslamike | lol |
| 20:30.24 | jim | hmm, that could mean you don't have a usb subsystem in your kernel? |
| 20:30.33 | jim | that sound possible? |
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| 20:30.44 | teslamike | i'm not entirely sure |
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| 20:30.53 | teslamike | i can connect other usb devices without too much problem |
| 20:31.02 | jim | just taping the wheels to the top of the drive won't make it go! |
| 20:31.27 | jim | ok, can you see indications of the known-good usb things connecting and disconnecting in the logs? |
| 20:31.44 | teslamike | an external harddrive that works fine, and i can use a webcam, usbkey, and a couple other things just fine |
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| 20:32.03 | jim | btw, if you want to become a bald captain, you have to make it -so- |
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| 20:32.21 | greycat | jim: effect before cause? |
| 20:32.28 | teslamike | dmesg shows when i attach usbkey |
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| 20:32.44 | djbat | which wlan encryption is better: wpe or wpa? |
| 20:32.48 | jim | ok. and dmesg shows nothing when you connect drive? |
| 20:33.16 | khanman | wpe? is that something new? or do you mean wep? |
| 20:33.18 | jim | just so you know... |
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| 20:33.36 | djbat | Khahan, i ment wep |
| 20:33.41 | khanman | wep sux |
| 20:33.45 | khanman | wpa is better |
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| 20:33.55 | jim | I'm trying to narrow down the problem and get all the indications becasue that's about all I can do other than suggest the wheels... |
| 20:34.00 | djbat | Khahan, thank you |
| 20:34.13 | jim | people monitoring this conversation please chime in :) |
| 20:34.20 | DuaneAllman | hi, anoyone of you knows why the sarge gnome-system-tools package does not provide the runlevels editor? |
| 20:34.32 | teslamike | jim: honestly, i see no change in dmesg when i attach the dvd drive |
| 20:35.00 | pagux | hello |
| 20:35.25 | pagux | httpd.conf in debian is blank |
| 20:35.28 | teslamike | wait |
| 20:35.28 | jim | teslamike: so it's saying absolutely nothing... there used to be a way to get the usb system to log really profusely and verbosely |
| 20:35.29 | teslamike | nvm |
| 20:35.47 | toomboy | pagux: apache2.0 uses /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 20:35.49 | teslamike | i see it.... |
| 20:35.59 | teslamike | i think |
| 20:36.05 | pagux | ok |
| 20:36.17 | teslamike | yeah, must be, its making noise now.... either that or the wheels started working and it hit something... |
| 20:36.24 | teslamike | interesting |
| 20:36.26 | teslamike | there it is |
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| 20:36.45 | toomboy | pagux: theres some big changes from 1.3 -> 2.0 in debian, just got done with that myself, took about 6 hours to update everything, but its also in between phone calls |
| 20:36.49 | teslamike | vendor: hp model: dvd writer 630e type: cdrom |
| 20:36.51 | jim | just unexplained delay? |
| 20:37.02 | teslamike | not entirely |
| 20:37.04 | toomboy | pagux: so just read everything :) |
| 20:37.14 | teslamike | found a different cable |
| 20:37.15 | teslamike | :$ |
| 20:37.19 | jim | ahh |
| 20:37.36 | jim | yaknow, I was gonna say something about the cable... |
| 20:37.45 | pagux | thanks toomboy ...for a momemt I was really wondering abt this :-) |
| 20:37.47 | jim | and drive power |
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| 20:37.55 | jim | and simple stuff like that... |
| 20:38.01 | teslamike | heh... im such a moron... this one even says hp on it.... not sure where the other wire goes to... |
| 20:38.31 | teslamike | so uhm... now that it shows up there... (apologies) |
| 20:38.55 | toomboy | pagux: yea, youll want to learn a2dismod, a2dissite, a2enmod, a2ensite, apache2-ssl-certificate to setup apache 2.0 the debian way :) |
| 20:38.58 | jim | np... at least this has been an exercise in problem solving that people got to see |
| 20:39.06 | teslamike | assuming i want something cray like mounting it |
| 20:39.42 | jim | that is usually worth the effort because then people see what can happen |
| 20:39.54 | jim | I want two somethings cray! |
| 20:40.06 | jim | well, -processors- |
| 20:40.09 | teslamike | ugh... |
| 20:40.20 | teslamike | crayz... |
| 20:40.39 | jim | two crayz! |
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| 20:40.54 | jim | two cray tooz! |
| 20:41.04 | teslamike | yikes... crazy |
| 20:41.09 | jim | oh :) |
| 20:41.15 | jim | got it :) |
| 20:41.22 | teslamike | i'm getting worse at typing as the day goes on it seems |
| 20:41.43 | jim | and I'm doing nothing if not pointing it out :) |
| 20:42.41 | teslamike | lol |
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| 20:43.30 | teslamike | wow |
| 20:43.32 | teslamike | thats a first |
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| 20:43.38 | teslamike | i've gotten it reading |
| 20:43.42 | teslamike | any chance of writing? |
| 20:43.46 | pagux | toomboy i cant find DocumentRoot |
| 20:43.50 | FieldySnuts | "it"? |
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| 20:44.02 | negrito | alguna chicas para hablar |
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| 20:44.04 | teslamike | usb dvd burner... |
| 20:44.07 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 20:44.25 | FieldySnuts | la migra? |
| 20:44.26 | negrito | algun latina |
| 20:44.38 | distempr | When I build a vanilla kernel from sources using make-kpkg, do I need to rename the directory etc? Or just follow the same sort of procedures when I compiled from debian kernel sources? |
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| 20:44.54 | FieldySnuts | works like a charm |
| 20:45.07 | pagux | i cant find DocumentRoot |
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| 20:45.56 | Wembley | good afternoon |
| 20:46.32 | Wembley | I have an interesting question... I set up Sendmail on my system, and I can telnet to localhost port 25 and I get the sendmail banner |
| 20:46.48 | Wembley | when I try to telnet into my box from another machine on the lan it refuses the connection |
| 20:47.11 | Wembley | any thoughts on where I might find out if this is sendmail refusing the connection or if it is someting else |
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| 20:48.24 | brendan_ | how do I change the default firefox theme for all users? I suspect I have to put the theme jar file somewhere, and maybe edit some config file? |
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| 20:48.42 | teslamike | jim: this is going to be really pathetic if it turns out i've been using bad dvds too... |
| 20:49.33 | teslamike | nope... it says is supports both formats neways |
| 20:50.08 | jim | teslamike: people kept telling me about this murphy dude... lawmaker... |
| 20:50.30 | teslamike | jim: heh... the hp website says my dvds are good |
| 20:50.47 | toomboy | pagux: well if you cant find it in the default conf, though there should be one cuz after apt-get install it shoulda made the default apache site avail right away, but if you cant find one, add it then. |
| 20:51.03 | teslamike | jim: any idea how i would print an iso onto a blank disc? |
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| 20:51.49 | green_earz | Wembley: is there a most of using sendmail as a mta, if not check out postfix mta. ? |
| 20:52.07 | jim | teslamike: that's what I'm gonna do too, as soon as I make this iso... probably I'll use -rJ |
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| 20:52.51 | teslamike | jim: what program? |
| 20:52.59 | teslamike | sorry... mkisofs? |
| 20:53.01 | jim | cdrecord? |
| 20:53.06 | teslamike | cdrecord? |
| 20:53.13 | teslamike | you think that will work on a dvd? |
| 20:53.14 | abrotman | echo? |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | dvdrwtools ? |
| 20:53.35 | jim | yeah, mkisofs creates a file containing the image |
| 20:53.37 | lakcaj | growisofs |
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| 20:53.53 | teslamike | i have an image... |
| 20:53.53 | jim | then cdrecord to write it to the cd... I'll probably use |
| 20:54.01 | jim | xcdroast |
| 20:54.17 | green_earz | Wembley: > to get you on the move with postfix > http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html |
| 20:54.35 | phigsparc | man, i sure do hate package management |
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| 20:54.50 | [smilez]mishaps | hi |
| 20:54.53 | phigsparc | you need this package to use this, but the only available version of this package is one less than the one you need! |
| 20:55.05 | jim | which is a gui front end to cdrecord (so you could just use cdrecord should you want to learn how to talk to it directly) |
| 20:55.22 | [smilez]mishaps | i am having trouble getting x server to work... |
| 20:55.23 | poonj | hey guys |
| 20:55.36 | [smilez]mishaps | can anyone pm me if they know what is wrong |
| 20:55.38 | poonj | when using cp..is it possible for to show the status of the file transfer? |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | poonj: no |
| 20:55.47 | teslamike | but cdrecord will do a dvd? |
| 20:55.50 | chealer | !tell [smilez]mishaps about msg me |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | teslamike: maybe. |
| 20:55.57 | poonj | is there a copy program that does it? |
| 20:56.00 | teslamike | ok... |
| 20:56.00 | lakcaj | you use growisofs to burn an iso to a dvd |
| 20:56.01 | F-Lelo | Hello guys! I just compiled the 2.6.8 kernel and when I try to load a module it goes: QM_Modules: Function not implemented |
| 20:56.02 | teslamike | here goes then |
| 20:56.02 | teslamike | :s |
| 20:56.04 | F-Lelo | how do I solve this? |
| 20:56.17 | chealer | !tell [smilez]mishaps about msg |
| 20:56.18 | greycat | teslamike: cdrecord-ProDVD will handle DVD-R for most current drives. It's non-free, and not in Debian obviously. |
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| 20:56.46 | greycat | teslamike: the only other choice is growisofs in the dvd+rw-tools package, which handles DVD+ and *some* DVD-. |
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| 20:57.50 | [smilez]mishaps | can someone help me? |
| 20:57.54 | jim | [smilez]mishaps: doesn't work that way. you supply information about your situation... LOTS of it, ALL of it... then someone decides they can help you |
| 20:58.17 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: to reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:58.31 | lakcaj | teslamike, just install k3b and it will do verything for you. K3B is by far the most mature CD/DVD burning suite on linux. |
| 20:58.34 | teslamike | greycat: cdrecord spits at me that the drive is full |
| 20:58.47 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.07 | [smilez]mishaps | ok |
| 20:59.15 | MobyTurbo | [smilez]mishaps: did you apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core? |
| 20:59.17 | greycat | teslamike: if it's the *debian* cdrecord (i.e. the Free one), then yes, that's probably about right. |
| 20:59.29 | greycat | teslamike: use the non-free one or growisofs |
| 20:59.33 | [smilez]mishaps | huh? |
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| 20:59.56 | greycat | lakcaj: he still needs the actual *tools*. k3b is just a wrapper. |
| 20:59.58 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: do you know what the refresh rates ver and hor are for your montior. it would you a lot |
| 21:00.09 | lakcaj | greycat, installing k3b will pull them all in though. |
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| 21:00.13 | teslamike | greycat: i have growisofs |
| 21:00.18 | netic | hi. does LUFS have support for TLS encription? |
| 21:00.25 | teslamike | greycat: how would i make it stick an iso onto the disk? |
| 21:00.30 | marstewel | anybody in here from germany and using an isp different than T-Online ? |
| 21:00.36 | teslamike | greycat: i'm using -r, but i'll just hope it goes |
| 21:00.39 | [smilez]mishaps | about 80 |
| 21:00.39 | abrotman | !de |
| 21:00.40 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:00.44 | abrotman | marstewel: you could ask them :) |
| 21:00.56 | marstewel | abauer: heh |
| 21:01.08 | Lorenzo | hey question... i just installed "apt-get install apache"... i'm very new to linux, and even newer to apache. could someone tell me where the main configuration files are located? I know the init.d is /etc/init.d/apache, but anything else i should know before i start playing around wit it? Thanks |
| 21:01.21 | abrotman | Lorenzo: /etc/apache |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | or apache2 |
| 21:01.34 | abrotman | Lorenzo: read docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 21:01.39 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: the refresh rates will be two pairs on numbers |
| 21:01.43 | marstewel | abrotman: I'm having difficulties accessing http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php (404) ... BUT from my company place I can access it... |
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| 21:02.20 | abrotman | marstewel: works fine here |
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| 21:02.33 | abrotman | marstewel: can you get an IP via host/nslookup/dig ? |
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| 21:02.58 | teslamike | greycat: digging in the manpages, growisofs references to mkisofs, but neither takes an actual iso |
| 21:03.02 | citral | marstewel: I have access to it with callando here |
| 21:03.03 | marstewel | abrotman: sure I can; I can connect to it also from my company place ... I assume parts (at least) of my ISP are blocked for whatever reason |
| 21:03.17 | greycat | teslamike: mkisofs *makes* an ISO. |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | marstewel: contact your ISP .. do a traceroute .. find out why .. then ask your ISP why |
| 21:03.41 | [smilez]mishaps | how would i find it out? |
| 21:03.57 | marstewel | ah ... NS records changed |
| 21:04.10 | teslamike | greycat: yes, thats how i made the iso originally... |
| 21:04.13 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: first thing google for your monitor info |
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| 21:05.17 | phigsparc | and this crap about libc6 needs this, but this needs libc6 |
| 21:05.17 | teslamike | greycat: ug, found it |
| 21:05.21 | phigsparc | catch 22 crap |
| 21:05.33 | Lorenzo | thanks for the help everyone :) |
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| 21:06.21 | picacrap | Debian needs someone do redo the main webpage, preferably from someone from the human race. I am trying to find debian mirrors in California but the site is to confusing, so I am not searching google. |
| 21:06.28 | [smilez]mishaps | i cant find it |
| 21:06.30 | teslamike | here goes... |
| 21:06.46 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: a second way is to run a copy of knoppix and if the xserver comes up have a look at the file cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | more |
| 21:06.52 | phigsparc | picacrap: i think the usd.edu one is cali |
| 21:07.01 | phigsparc | innit? |
| 21:07.01 | EnmaDaiou | hi, is there such a thing as a 'nice' for disk access? |
| 21:07.13 | MobyTurbo | picacrap: let me get this straight, you can't get the information on one site so you boycott google?! |
| 21:07.18 | teslamike | greycat: thnx |
| 21:07.21 | teslamike | jim: thnx: |
| 21:07.28 | teslamike | thnx other people too... |
| 21:07.36 | picacrap | phigsparc: thanks, i know there is one a uc berkley but need to find it, thanks |
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| 21:07.48 | [smilez]mishaps | you lost me |
| 21:07.57 | greycat | picacrap: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:08.02 | greycat | picacrap: is that what you need? |
| 21:08.12 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: sorry |
| 21:08.24 | [smilez]mishaps | im new at this |
| 21:08.28 | green_earz | ok |
| 21:08.32 | [smilez]mishaps | =\ thanks anyway though |
| 21:08.48 | abrotman | picacrap: http://www.nl.debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 21:09.00 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 21:09.10 | abrotman | picacrap: and apt-setup should tell you .. but i see this linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 21:09.14 | [sr] | insn't there a version the the apache2 version of ssl ? |
| 21:09.19 | ledet | using discover, how would i go about making it provide certain parameters to one of the kernel modules it loads for me? |
| 21:09.19 | Gcc | can anybody help i want the aterm parameters for bold white font? |
| 21:09.20 | [sr] | like, apt-get isntall apache2-ssl ? |
| 21:09.24 | [smilez]mishaps | would it be easier if i give yout the error message? |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | unless that's a different berkely |
| 21:09.38 | F-Lelo | Hello guys! I just compiled the 2.6.8 kernel and when I try to load a module it goes: QM_Modules: Function not implemented |
| 21:09.38 | F-Lelo | how do I solve this? |
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| 21:09.49 | caphuso | !qm_modules |
| 21:09.49 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 21:10.09 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: put it in #flood |
| 21:10.09 | F-Lelo | thanks |
| 21:10.11 | F-Lelo | \o/ |
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| 21:10.32 | green_earz | [smilez]mishaps: /join #flood |
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| 21:10.47 | MobyTurbo | ledet: examine /etc/modules.conf but don't edit it, edit /etc/modutils/foo where "foo" is the name of your module, put in "options foo bar" in that file, then run update-modules |
| 21:10.58 | ericb_ | anyone knows how I can switch from a azerty keymap to a qwerty (us 104) keyboard console keymap ?? (witouth reinstalling debian) |
| 21:11.13 | ledet | MobyTurbo: and discover will respect that? |
| 21:11.13 | caphuso | ericb_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 21:11.21 | MobyTurbo | ledet: I believe so. |
| 21:11.21 | ericb_ | thx |
| 21:11.29 | [smilez]mishaps | ok |
| 21:11.32 | [smilez]mishaps | what does that do? |
| 21:11.37 | ledet | MobyTurbo: i'll give it a try... thanks for now :9 |
| 21:11.38 | mattboll | ericb_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pc105 |
| 21:11.57 | ericb_ | mattboll I'm not talking about x guy |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | mattboll: console |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:12.09 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 21:12.12 | mattboll | :/ sorry |
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| 21:14.43 | abrotman | k-dog: are you the real karsten? |
| 21:16.07 | picacrap | greycat, thanks i found it at the debian site, under site map, then going to uc berkley, and luckily they have a source list i could capture to clipboard. |
| 21:16.09 | myren | what is lead time? like the lead time on a project? |
| 21:16.16 | myren | is it the time to delivery? |
| 21:16.44 | asuffield | any period of time before something happens |
| 21:17.21 | myren | arg. i'm trying to get some PCB's made short notice. alliancepcb.com asks for a "lead time" on the quote.... |
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| 21:17.30 | myren | would it be a safe bet to say thats' delivery time |
| 21:17.34 | alemao | can anyone help me to find why my kernel wont mount FAT |
| 21:17.34 | alemao | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.35 | alemao | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.45 | asuffield | no. that's time before they get off their arses and do anything about it |
| 21:17.57 | asuffield | after that comes production time. then delivery time. |
| 21:18.09 | myren | yeah i thought so |
| 21:18.18 | myren | worried so |
| 21:18.31 | greycat | alemao: use a debian kernel. |
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| 21:18.44 | alemao | greycat: NO!!! my boot faster =) |
| 21:18.46 | myren | i find it most suspicious they dont ask for a quantity |
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| 21:19.00 | asuffield | five or five hundred, it makes little difference |
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| 21:19.05 | greycat | alemao: too bad it doesn't *work*, ain't it>? |
| 21:19.11 | myren | good, cause i only want 5 for the first run. ;) |
| 21:19.36 | ripperda | hello all, I was curious if there was a specific channel for amd64 questions? |
| 21:19.40 | alemao | greycat: only for FAT partitions.. then i just cant download my camera pictures... |
| 21:19.50 | streuner | ripperda: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 21:20.47 | myren | are there any #electronics in use on the IRC nets? |
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| 21:21.26 | ripperda | thanks streuner |
| 21:21.32 | greycat | alemao: *sigh* .... what error does 'mount -t vfat device mountpoint' give? |
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| 21:23.05 | alemao | greycat: mount: wrong gs type, bad option, or too many mounted file systems |
| 21:23.11 | alemao | gs=fs |
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| 21:23.17 | Akselii | hey |
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| 21:23.23 | greycat | alemao: are you sure this IS a valid vfat file system? |
| 21:23.35 | [smilez]mishaps | wait ... how do i change the resolution? |
| 21:23.40 | greycat | alemao: I'd expect a different error if the kernel simply didn't support vfat. |
| 21:23.41 | zexo | ÕâÀïÓÐÀ´×ÔÖйúµÄÂ𣡠|
| 21:23.42 | [smilez]mishaps | and skins for debian? |
| 21:23.55 | Akselii | could someone help me with lilo problems? |
| 21:24.10 | Hellran | hello all, i have installed sarge, got an apache running... but, i'm completly lost about mail server. Can someone point me a proper channel to have infos ? |
| 21:24.25 | zexo | chinese!! |
| 21:24.34 | jim | Akselii: describe them, keep going until someone goes "ok, do this" |
| 21:24.35 | green_earz | [smilez]mishap: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to change the setup |
| 21:24.41 | Akselii | wait a second |
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| 21:25.36 | greycat | Hellran: /msg dpkg mail tutorial /msg dpkg faq |
| 21:25.50 | ramzez | Current Weather for Rennes : Ciel dégagé, Temperature: 14°C, Pressure: 1010 hPa, Wind: 12 km/h E |
| 21:25.50 | ramzez | Current Weather for Toulouse / Blagnac : Nuages morcelés à 304 mètres, Temperature: 12°C, Pressure: 1011 hPa, Wind: 27 km/h SSE |
| 21:25.50 | ramzez | Current Weather for Brest : Ciel dégagé, Temperature: 16°C, Pressure: 1008 hPa, Wind: 14 km/h ESE |
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| 21:25.56 | alemao | greycat: it is valid because on the other machine i can mount |
| 21:25.57 | green_earz | [smilez]mishap: if you want 3d graphics go for a nvidia card |
| 21:26.07 | greycat | flood: consider using contraception. |
| 21:26.07 | Akselii | http://sial.org/pbot/8621 , okay this is the error |
| 21:26.11 | Hellran | tks greycat ! |
| 21:26.17 | alemao | greycat: i dont understand why this error happen at all... |
| 21:26.30 | greycat | alemao: are you sure the DEVICE is supported? |
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| 21:26.46 | greycat | alemao: how about you stop being vague now and give us some damned DETAILS, like the command... |
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| 21:27.22 | sparr_w | Can anyone recommend a Speech Recognition software that doesnt require training? I know the accuracy will be horrible, dont care. |
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| 21:28.39 | Akselii | so can someone help me? |
| 21:28.42 | Gumby | I've just installed debian to an external usb hdd and then put that hard drive in a laptop. when I boot I get the error "/sbin/ibit: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file" Can anyone suggest what I might have done wrong? I changed grubs menu.lst from /dev/sda1 to /dev/hda1 but that didnt seem to fix anything. |
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| 21:29.03 | asuffield | sparr_: it's impossible without training. what you're really asking for is a training image that's been seeded with some arbitrary neutral voice. any of them can do that |
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| 21:29.24 | sparr_w | asuffield: ok then, with a neutral voice. can you suggest one that comes with that? |
| 21:29.32 | asuffield | no. go make you own |
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| 21:29.37 | asuffield | s/you/your/ |
| 21:29.39 | sparr_w | it wont be neutral if i make it :-p |
| 21:29.51 | Akselii | gah |
| 21:29.54 | asuffield | <shrug> find somebody who doesn't have a stupid accent |
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| 21:30.18 | sparr_w | ive used handwriting recognition before... it works great if i train it, but by default the software knows what each letter SHOULD look like and it can recognize SOME of my (bad) handwriting |
| 21:30.21 | sparr_w | i want the audio equivalent of that |
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| 21:30.44 | Drowning | How do I install the latest 2.6 kernel with debian? |
| 21:30.47 | asuffield | it's the same thing. they start with arbitrary seed data and work from there |
| 21:30.48 | Drowning | Not the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:30.54 | Drowning | 2.6.11.* |
| 21:30.59 | Akselii | Drowning, you can use the same guide |
| 21:31.05 | chealer | Drowning: you need to compile it |
| 21:31.07 | streuner | Drowning: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:31.14 | Drowning | It's not in the repos though, the default ones |
| 21:31.15 | Drowning | Is it? |
| 21:31.18 | sparr_w | ok then, id like some of that arbitrary seed data :) |
| 21:31.19 | Drowning | Just get vanilla sources? |
| 21:31.20 | Akselii | Drowning, like this http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
| 21:31.21 | asuffield | for handwriting recognition, they typically start with a sans serif font |
| 21:31.33 | Akselii | Drowning, just dload one from kernel.org |
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| 21:31.45 | streuner | Drowning: 2.6.8 is a good kernel, why do you think you need 2.6.11? |
| 21:31.52 | Akselii | its newer |
| 21:31.59 | Drowning | streuner, Because the numbers are higher |
| 21:32.01 | Drowning | lol |
| 21:32.03 | Akselii | haha |
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| 21:32.14 | Drowning | I really have no reasoning besides that. |
| 21:32.14 | Akselii | Drowning, could you help me with lilo? |
| 21:32.21 | Drowning | That's probably why 98% of people want it. |
| 21:32.28 | Drowning | Akselii, probably not |
| 21:32.30 | Drowning | I'm a grub person. |
| 21:32.31 | Akselii | okay |
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| 21:32.44 | jim | Drowning: because this is the highest number they ever got to before? |
| 21:32.46 | Akselii | http://sial.org/pbot/8621 heres the error anyway |
| 21:33.00 | Drowning | jim, right |
| 21:33.04 | streuner | well, if you haven't a reason to change and still want it you are prolly NOT a smart guy then... |
| 21:33.11 | Akselii | yea |
| 21:33.43 | Akselii | i like grub alot more than i like lilo |
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| 21:33.59 | streuner | Why would somebody change something on his system (working) and take a risk without a reason? |
| 21:34.06 | jim | Drowning: well you can build one yourself if you want... someone will tell you how to build into a debian package and how to then install it |
| 21:34.19 | citral | I prefer salt than sugar. |
| 21:34.24 | Prashant | Hello guys |
| 21:34.26 | Drowning | I know how to build it myself. |
| 21:34.27 | Drowning | lol |
| 21:34.33 | Drowning | I just wanted to be able to apt-get it though. |
| 21:34.42 | Prashant | I need some help installing Debian 3.0 Woody |
| 21:34.48 | Prashant | Would u pls help me |
| 21:34.57 | jim | and why do you think you can't do that at this point? |
| 21:35.02 | streuner | Prashant: desktop or server? |
| 21:35.10 | Prashant | Desktop |
| 21:35.15 | Akselii | eh Prashant error? |
| 21:35.17 | streuner | Prashant: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:35.23 | Prashant | Actually i m application developer |
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| 21:35.32 | streuner | Prashant: use sarge then |
| 21:35.44 | Prashant | means |
| 21:35.49 | Prashant | wat is sarge |
| 21:35.52 | Prashant | pls? |
| 21:35.54 | streuner | !sarge |
| 21:35.55 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
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| 21:36.13 | Drowning | When is sarge going to be released? |
| 21:36.16 | Drowning | Is it nearing stability. |
| 21:36.24 | green_earz | Prashant: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:36.37 | jim | sometime soon (or not) |
| 21:36.45 | Prashant | no my problem is i got the dvd of debian woody realese |
| 21:36.49 | citral | yeah, the exotic arches are slowing the process but it's already pretty stable. |
| 21:36.52 | Prashant | just now |
| 21:37.19 | Prashant | i m not a god of debian but a small application developer |
| 21:37.41 | chealer | Drowning: /topic |
| 21:37.51 | Prashant | wanted to install Debian and do some RND or some developement |
| 21:37.56 | greycat | a very poor developer, if you can't even spell 'you' or 'please'. |
| 21:38.06 | greycat | I've found that good developers can write English. |
| 21:38.15 | jim | Prashant: tell us what you tried so far, what problems, history of you trying to install |
| 21:38.19 | greycat | (at least the ones who speak English at all) |
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| 21:38.50 | jim | Prashant: got a computer with a blank HD ready to install it on? |
| 21:38.58 | Prashant | see i tried to install but evey time i ended up installing only basic system |
| 21:39.00 | Prashant | yep |
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| 21:39.14 | jim | Prashant: did you get networking up? |
| 21:39.28 | Prashant | no i have only a dial up modem |
| 21:39.41 | jim | were you able to connect with the modem? |
| 21:39.44 | green_earz | Drowning: a lots less packages on the jido-lite was 3000 to 4000 four weeks ago now around a 1000 for the two dvds |
| 21:39.59 | Prashant | no i think it's a linmodem |
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| 21:40.09 | citral | !slap Prashant's modem |
| 21:40.23 | jim | ok,. so get an external modem that you connect to your serial port |
| 21:40.42 | Prashant | ok any specific vendor |
| 21:40.49 | jim | strikAthwak |
| 21:40.50 | green_earz | Prashant: check out ebay for a sarge three cd set or get some one the bittorent them for you |
| 21:41.15 | Hellran | (greycat -> qmail irc) |
| 21:41.26 | greycat | yes, greycat uses qmail |
| 21:41.28 | jim | Prashant: I dunno, hayes, USR |
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| 21:41.40 | Prashant | ok |
| 21:41.43 | Prashant | no problem |
| 21:41.57 | Prashant | but why i cant install GUI |
| 21:42.28 | jim | good. so if you install the bare basic system, you can then install a text irc client, get your modem going and come back here with that |
| 21:42.49 | jim | btw, do you already have a basic system installed? |
| 21:42.55 | jim | and does it boot? |
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| 21:43.38 | takatumi | Now, go edit /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/01_exim4-config_listmacros and add |
| 21:43.41 | takatumi | this below the banner at the top. |
| 21:43.50 | Prashant | i removed it yes but it eorks |
| 21:43.50 | green_earz | jim: a text irc client ?? which |
| 21:44.00 | takatumi | is this directory there by default? |
| 21:44.07 | takatumi | file I mean. |
| 21:44.12 | green_earz | jim: of intrest |
| 21:44.15 | jim | ircii, bitchx, irssi... there are lots of choices |
| 21:44.22 | green_earz | thanks |
| 21:44.23 | Prashant | ok |
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| 21:45.00 | greycat | irssi is the preferred one |
| 21:45.08 | jim | Prashant: the other thing is, 90% of the power of linux (or any unix) is available to you in the shell. learn the shell... you will be typing a LOT. |
| 21:45.09 | Prashant | u guys r using Debian now? |
| 21:45.20 | streuner | no - windows? ;-) |
| 21:45.33 | Prashant | i used shell in my company a lot |
| 21:45.37 | greycat | Prashant: on some computers. |
| 21:45.41 | Prashant | theres we have HP UX |
| 21:45.49 | greycat | !comfort Prashant |
| 21:45.50 | dpkg | There, there, Prashant. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:46.17 | streuner | Prashant: what do you think? we stay in #debian and run windows? |
| 21:46.32 | jim | Prashant: good... so you know that a gui is just convenience factor and you can develop in text mode |
| 21:46.35 | Prashant | no no i dont mean that .... |
| 21:46.42 | green_earz | Prashant: for the dialup set > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/peripherals/modem.html |
| 21:46.43 | lakcaj | I'm on a commodore 64 |
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| 21:46.58 | Prashant | ok |
| 21:47.00 | jim | better get off it before it breaks under the weight! |
| 21:47.06 | Dave2|irssi | .win 23 |
| 21:47.08 | Dave2|irssi | ... |
| 21:47.30 | Prashant | yeh i do develop lot of scripts on UNIX |
| 21:47.39 | jim | well good :) |
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| 21:47.41 | greycat | if you survived HP-UX, Debian will be a *pleasure*. |
| 21:47.45 | streuner | Prashant: most people run sid |
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| 21:47.51 | greycat | streuner: no, they do not. |
| 21:47.52 | trent | Hey all |
| 21:47.54 | citral | blah |
| 21:47.58 | chealer | streuner: what? |
| 21:47.59 | streuner | greycat: hah |
| 21:48.02 | jim | then linux will be old hat to you |
| 21:48.05 | streuner | sure they do |
| 21:48.06 | trent | I was wondering if theres a way to use 2 ethernet cards on debian? (unstable) |
| 21:48.08 | Prashant | UX is awesome |
| 21:48.11 | jim | anyway, I gotta go |
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| 21:48.20 | citral | streuner: hell no. |
| 21:48.25 | chealer | streuner: where did you get that? |
| 21:48.28 | streuner | greycat: any statistics? |
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| 21:48.40 | greycat | streuner: I don't even care whether it's true. we do not want newbies running sid. |
| 21:48.47 | streuner | chealer: well, some people ask and answer... |
| 21:49.03 | chealer | streuner: what do you mean? |
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| 21:49.09 | greycat | streuner: but if I had to give an honest guess, I'd bet there are more woody boxes than sarge, and more sarge than sid. |
| 21:49.28 | greycat | streuner: oh, well that's hardly a representative sample. |
| 21:49.32 | trent | Eh, guys, how do You install 2 ethernet cards onto a debian box running Sid.. I want to configure hte 2nd one I just hooked up |
| 21:49.41 | greycat | trent: man interfaces |
| 21:49.46 | chealer | streuner: that's not what I red anyway |
| 21:49.51 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to chroot from the debian sarge boot floppies |
| 21:49.56 | trent | greycat: eh will that do it? |
| 21:50.05 | greycat | Gumby: floppies? hmm... dunno. the net install CD, yes. |
| 21:50.17 | Prashant | no my problem is i dont have a driver for my winmodem |
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| 21:50.25 | Gumby | greycat: looks like it is. |
| 21:50.26 | trent | ok gotcha |
| 21:50.27 | trent | cya |
| 21:50.28 | greycat | Prashant: buy a modem. |
| 21:50.39 | citral | yeah ma, interfaces will automagically setup your second card ;) |
| 21:51.01 | Prashant | in a country like ours buying even a modem is a big thing |
| 21:51.10 | trent | is there a way to get a list of the eth ? |
| 21:51.13 | trent | like lspci? |
| 21:51.17 | citral | Prashant: ebay? |
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| 21:51.28 | greycat | Hellran: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "main" to "main contrib non-free", and then run apt-get update |
| 21:51.38 | Prashant | any particular one |
| 21:52.01 | Prashant | the thing is i want debian only for development purpose |
| 21:52.03 | takatumi | Prashant: buy an old serial port modem. |
| 21:52.06 | Gumby | greycat: I just installed debia to a laptop hdd via usb on another pc (I dont have access to a CDRW and the laptop doesnt have ethernet right now). I then edited grubs menu.list and changed /dev/sda1 to /dev/hda1 but when I boot it tells me pivot_root is missing. Any idea where to look or how to fix that? |
| 21:52.20 | trent | Guys, is there a way to see what the ethernet device is called? |
| 21:52.20 | greycat | !punish Gumby for buying a laptop with a WINmodem in nit |
| 21:52.25 | trent | Is it eth1, the second one? |
| 21:52.30 | greycat | trent: dmesg. yes. |
| 21:52.34 | Hellran | is there a "find" command on debian sarge box ? |
| 21:52.36 | Prashant | how it eill help me but buying a modem |
| 21:52.37 | trent | ok, thanks! |
| 21:52.40 | greycat | Hellran: yes. but see what I wrote above. |
| 21:52.41 | trent | THankyou! I Found it! |
| 21:52.44 | greycat | Hellran: see also man locate |
| 21:52.46 | Gumby | greycat: it doesnt even have a winmodem in it :) |
| 21:52.50 | trent | do I need to reboot to get the 2nd one up? |
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| 21:52.57 | Gumby | its an old p233 that my gf bought for some reason |
| 21:52.58 | greycat | !punish gumby for buying a laptop with no modem or NIC in it |
| 21:53.08 | Hellran | greycat; you seams to have all the answers ! :) |
| 21:53.09 | Gumby | its got a pcmcia modem |
| 21:53.14 | Gumby | but no phone line here :) |
| 21:53.14 | takatumi | Prashant: winmodem drivers are not not free. |
| 21:53.14 | trent | I edited the file |
| 21:53.23 | trent | but do I need to reboot my computer for the 2nd device to startup? |
| 21:53.33 | Gumby | takatumi: sure they are. not all are. but a lot are |
| 21:53.51 | travisat | trent: ifup foo, where foo is the interface |
| 21:54.04 | Prashant | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.08 | citral | !u |
| 21:54.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:54.32 | trent | got it |
| 21:54.38 | trent | thank you all have a wonderful weekend |
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| 21:56.17 | KungFu | hi |
| 21:56.35 | KungFu | how do I kill a proces, htat's not listed in the Ctrl+Sec menu? |
| 21:56.45 | KungFu | s/Sec/Esc |
| 21:56.49 | InitMass | jerome, are you from the filipins? |
| 21:56.51 | Prashant | I like that |
| 21:56.58 | Prashant | thank you |
| 21:57.00 | streuner | KungFu: skill -c <app> |
| 21:57.09 | Prashant | I wont do the same mistake again |
| 21:57.35 | streuner | KungFu: or you run top or 'ps aux' and kill it by 'kill <pid> |
| 21:57.37 | michael | How do i get a debian patched kernel older than 2.6.8 with apt ? |
| 21:57.45 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 21:57.45 | dpkg | methinks debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:58.49 | streuner | !patch |
| 21:58.49 | dpkg | patch is, like, just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 21:58.50 | KungFu | ahh.... better |
| 21:58.52 | KungFu | thx |
| 21:58.57 | streuner | np |
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| 21:59.28 | michael | abrotman: thank you |
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| 22:00.42 | mdadm | man i am in over my head....i have runsv running all over the place |
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| 22:01.35 | Hellran | Greycat suggest me to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "main" to "main contrib non-free". i have more than one line with "main" (also testing mail) |
| 22:01.36 | takatumi | mdadm: are they breeding? |
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| 22:01.44 | Hellran | where ? |
| 22:01.55 | mdadm | takatumi.. in a sense...all this just to get lighttpd running |
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| 22:02.35 | streuner | Hellman: just run 'apt-setup' |
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| 22:03.05 | Hellran | ok... |
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| 22:03.37 | streuner | if you using sarge, make sure you edit the lines in sources.list from woody to sarge |
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| 22:04.39 | Hellran | Streuner;... that doesn't help... i needed to do : apt-get install ucspi-tcp-src qmail-src |
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| 22:05.01 | travisat | Hellran: for all debian deb, change main to main contrib non-free |
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| 22:05.13 | streuner | Hellran: apt-setup lets you add non-free or contrib section too |
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| 22:05.31 | citral | Hellran: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and put contrib non-free after every "main" except security |
| 22:05.52 | citral | then apt-get update |
| 22:06.42 | Hellran | streuner; i don't have that choice with apt-setup. (i'm trying the other solution) |
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| 22:06.58 | streuner | !find apt-setup |
| 22:07.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup, /usr/lib/base-config/menu/{apt-setup|apt-setup.mnu}) in base/base-config ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 22:07.18 | streuner | apt-get install base-config |
| 22:07.27 | citral | streuner: read him |
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| 22:11.12 | lwolvie | swatch simple watcher question: What is the point of setting the "--restart-time" parameter? I run it as a daemon and was just wondering... why? |
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| 22:11.32 | mdadm | anyone know how to kill runsv etc? these guys just restart...i wanna start over:) |
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| 22:12.11 | mdadm | runsvctrl d /var/service/name ? |
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| 22:13.00 | toomboy | does anyone know if this could cause a drive to go bad. i have 2 80s and 2 120 drives hooked up to a highpoint card, i have a raid0 of the 2 80s, and a raid0 of the 2 120s via the software manipulated card itself, then i use lvm to merge the 2 raid0s together. could that cause a drive to go bad at all ? |
| 22:13.02 | cHaPlinux | Station LTSP alone wants to imprir in the server, as makes pra to print in the local door in the station? |
| 22:13.12 | mdadm | also when you do a ps-ef what does it mean if you see a process that has defunct attached to it? |
| 22:13.24 | rikva | how can i see what groups a user is in? |
| 22:13.26 | Hellran | ok, i have change all the /testing main for /main contrib non-free. I got several error "Couldn't stat source package list |
| 22:13.32 | citral | rikva: uh, groups |
| 22:13.36 | thingfish | toomboy: arrangements of whatever sort don't cause hard drives to fail. It just happens. |
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| 22:14.17 | thingfish | when you look at how hard drives work and the stresses they're under, it's a wonder they work for more than a few hours. |
| 22:14.19 | rikva | citral: thanks, didn't know that one, i was fooling around with usermod etc... |
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| 22:15.03 | citral | Hellran: should look like |
| 22:15.04 | citral | deb http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:15.04 | citral | deb-src http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 22:15.36 | Hellran | here what i got;deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 22:15.36 | Hellran | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 22:15.36 | Hellran | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 22:15.36 | Hellran | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 22:15.36 | Hellran | deb ftp://gplhost.com/debian stable main |
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| 22:15.53 | Hellran | arf |
| 22:16.02 | citral | Hellran: you can't paste more than three lines here |
| 22:16.07 | Hellran | ok :) |
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| 22:16.28 | Hellran | so this is not correct ? |
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| 22:16.50 | streuner | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 22:16.51 | maw_ | how can i change language in my deb? |
| 22:16.52 | streuner | #deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 22:16.52 | streuner | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 22:16.52 | streuner | #deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 22:16.52 | streuner | # deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:16.52 | streuner | deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ sid non-free |
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| 22:16.56 | rikva | and how can i see all existing groups on th system? |
| 22:16.58 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:17.00 | maw_ | everythin is in norwegian |
| 22:17.02 | citral | ... |
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| 22:17.39 | chem | maw_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:17.45 | Akselii | hey |
| 22:17.48 | maw_ | thank you :D |
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| 22:18.10 | chem | nothing |
| 22:18.11 | Akselii | would "kernel (hdd,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.5 root=/dev/hdd2" work in grub conf file? |
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| 22:18.30 | Pappa | Akselii: no. |
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| 22:18.41 | Akselii | Pappa how can i make it work? |
| 22:18.42 | streuner | sorry for flood |
| 22:18.44 | Hellran | sry streuner :) |
| 22:18.59 | streuner | Hellran: just take one of lines out |
| 22:19.09 | streuner | and change it to sarge |
| 22:19.10 | Pappa | Akselii: kernel (hd2,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.5 root=/dev/hdd2 |
| 22:19.15 | Pappa | you can try that |
| 22:19.15 | Akselii | that (hdd,1) should be /dev/hdd2 |
| 22:19.28 | ariel | who has played with xmame under debian sarge? |
| 22:19.38 | maher | ariel: me |
| 22:19.39 | Hellran | i'm copyingg your lines |
| 22:19.46 | Akselii | hmm |
| 22:19.48 | streuner | Hellran: np |
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| 22:19.51 | chem | ariel: where can i find xmame? |
| 22:20.01 | Akselii | Pappa is hd2,1 /dev/hdd2? |
| 22:20.15 | ariel | as root type apt-get install xmame-x |
| 22:20.22 | Pappa | Akselii: goes like this: hd0 = primary master, hd1 = pr. slave, hd2 = sec. master etc. |
| 22:20.32 | Akselii | umm k |
| 22:20.36 | Pappa | Akselii: if your system is sane, yes |
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| 22:20.43 | Akselii | okay |
| 22:20.46 | Akselii | ill try to reboot |
| 22:20.50 | Akselii | lets hope it works |
| 22:20.50 | chem | thnx |
| 22:20.57 | Akselii | or i wil need to boot from CD |
| 22:21.00 | Pappa | Akselii: if not, you can always edit it. |
| 22:21.09 | Akselii | o yea i can |
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| 22:21.15 | ariel | maher: can you play with it in fullscreen mode without problems?, because I can't |
| 22:21.23 | Pappa | Akselii: press "e" at the menu, try hd1,1 hd3,1 etc. |
| 22:21.37 | maher | ariel: fullscreen modes takes X down for me and i have to reboot so i don't do that |
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| 22:21.57 | ariel | I've got the same problem |
| 22:21.59 | ariel | why? |
| 22:22.32 | maher | ariel: dunno - either X is buggy or the full screen stuff uses sdl which may be buggy |
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| 22:23.17 | ariel | what weird |
| 22:23.36 | maher | ariel: it would be cool if youfixed the bugs :) |
| 22:25.06 | ariel | but, It seems that the problem resides in the sdl libraries because I had the same problem at slackware and it works with xorg instead xfree |
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| 22:25.33 | maher | ariel: yeah - the sdl libs probably have lots of bugs |
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| 22:26.22 | dan2 | !no, qotd is <Overfiend> Python: job security for developers; Perl: job security for cryptographers |
| 22:26.31 | dan2 | dpkg: no, qotd is <Overfiend> Python: job security for developers; Perl: job security for cryptographers |
| 22:26.36 | Raf256 | most serious damage semms to be missing /sbin directory |
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| 22:26.53 | Raf256 | can someone perhaps pack and send me packed /sbin/ of debian sarge? |
| 22:27.06 | ariel | or it probably needs some modules to be loaded with X when it is launched |
| 22:27.06 | Raf256 | because without it I cant start debian and run aptget myself |
| 22:27.21 | maher | Raf256: what happened to /sbin |
| 22:27.38 | streuner | he prolly rm it |
| 22:27.48 | streuner | but anyway just reinstall |
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| 22:28.07 | Raf256 | maher-filesystem got corrupted |
| 22:28.16 | maher | Raf256: do you have a backup? |
| 22:28.24 | Raf256 | maher- no |
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| 22:29.15 | Raf256 | can anyone pack own /sbin and send it to sbin-ticket@raf256.com please or put in on http/ftp for a moment? |
| 22:29.15 | ariel | maher: We should ask to another xmame user at debian |
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| 22:29.31 | maher | Raf256: reinstall, /var/lib/dpkg/status <-- this contains a list of all the packages you had installed |
| 22:29.40 | maher | ariel: file a bug |
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| 22:30.03 | ariel | maher: what? |
| 22:30.04 | Raf256 | maher- but it will take days to download all my software again and set it up... |
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| 22:30.28 | maher | Raf256: that's why you should make backups |
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| 22:30.42 | Akselii | okat |
| 22:30.51 | maher | ariel: file a bug at bugs.debian.org |
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| 22:31.10 | Akselii | okay, i could run 2.6.11.5 kernel, but no menu :( |
| 22:31.34 | maher | Raf256: something else you could do is to use a live cd and manually unpack the sbin files from the debs you want |
| 22:31.41 | kurtak | Hello. I basically updated my kernel to 2.6.8 and i think acpi is compiled in, but how can i tell for sure?? |
| 22:31.44 | Akselii | grr |
| 22:31.51 | Akselii | why all my apps are in dutch language |
| 22:31.56 | Raf256 | maher- I have knoopix 3.6 ... can I copy i's /sbin to /mount/myhdd/sbin ? |
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| 22:32.15 | Akselii | KahiN hat die Verbindung getrennt (Client Quit) like this |
| 22:32.18 | Akselii | how can i change it |
| 22:32.24 | zOap__ | Akselii, have you checked system lang? |
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| 22:32.27 | kurtak | I mean, is there a way to tell what's compiled in compared to something that has to be a loaded module? |
| 22:32.27 | giskard | kurtak, look in the .config in source-tree or /boot/config * |
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| 22:32.33 | maher | Raf256: try their /sbin |
| 22:32.51 | Akselii | z0ap__ where can i check it? |
| 22:33.01 | zOap__ | Akselii, do you use kde? |
| 22:33.06 | Akselii | yea |
| 22:33.11 | maher | Raf256: your machine is probably quite badly hosed - hpw do you know corruption only affected /sbin? |
| 22:33.12 | Akselii | my kde layout tool is broken |
| 22:33.21 | Akselii | z0ap i check from control center |
| 22:33.23 | Akselii | was at english |
| 22:33.24 | zOap__ | ok, go to kcontrol and go to locls |
| 22:33.26 | mdadm | hey has anyone ever seen this line: exec 2>&1\ ? whats the \ for? |
| 22:33.27 | Raf256 | what should be chmod/owner of /sbin? root/root and 700 ? |
| 22:33.37 | zOap__ | Akselii, oh, ok, that's weird |
| 22:33.47 | maher | mdadm: continued on next line |
| 22:33.49 | Raf256 | maher- well probably other parts are damaged also, I will reinstall anyway |
| 22:33.59 | zOap__ | Akselii, hang on a minute |
| 22:34.00 | jepel_tailweaver | Raf256, root/root 755 is the standard |
| 22:34.30 | Akselii | SHIT |
| 22:34.35 | Akselii | now my menus are turkish |
| 22:34.36 | maher | Raf256: that's the safest thing to do |
| 22:35.07 | mdadm | maher...got it.. but would you ever have a command followed by exec 2>& 1? you wouldnt say exec 2>&1\ls that would give you an eror |
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| 22:35.37 | zOap__ | Akselii, turkish?? It seems you have bigger issues than just the lang,,, |
| 22:35.40 | Akselii | haha |
| 22:35.42 | Pappa | Akselii: try putting "en_US ISO-8859-1" in /etc/locale.gen |
| 22:35.44 | Akselii | not anymore |
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| 22:35.57 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 22:35.59 | Akselii | pappa is that keyb layout? |
| 22:36.01 | Akselii | or what |
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| 22:36.05 | mdadm | turkish coffee is goote |
| 22:36.05 | IcE-bOy | how can i regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/available file ? |
| 22:36.10 | zOap__ | Pappa, you norwegian? |
| 22:36.16 | Pappa | Akselii: locale. ie language |
| 22:36.18 | maher | mdadm: 2>&1 is redirection - you need something to redirect |
| 22:36.25 | Pappa | zOap__: yes. |
| 22:36.39 | zOap__ | Pappa, ok, hi, me too:) |
| 22:36.44 | Pappa | maher: he was talking bout the \ on the end |
| 22:36.47 | kurtak | giskard: Thanks! |
| 22:36.57 | Pappa | which makes no sense =/ |
| 22:37.03 | maher | Pappa: yes - but the whole line seems not to make sense |
| 22:37.21 | IcE-bOy | dselect update :D |
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| 22:38.00 | Pappa | maher: got a point. a blank exec does nothin anyway. |
| 22:38.05 | mdadm | for example: exec 2>&1\/usr/sbin/lighttpd is a mistake right? (if /usr/sbin/lighttpd was on the next line) |
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| 22:38.14 | Akselii | omg even nano is dutch |
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| 22:38.26 | jan__ | ofcourse ;) |
| 22:38.31 | Raf256 | how it is possible, that my computer hagned/freezed, and after power-off and restart, _all_ partitions where damaged, home was terrible damaged - SuperBlock and Tree, and / hawe half of files gone, including sbin |
| 22:38.33 | mdadm | see my example maher? |
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| 22:38.43 | simonrvn | if the apps supports locales, it would |
| 22:38.57 | mdadm | I get a redirect error when I have that on the next line with the \ after the first error |
| 22:39.11 | maher | mdadm: seems like a mistake - you need to exec something, the redirections should probably be at the end |
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| 22:40.00 | mdadm | maher: so is there a difference between exec /usr/sbin/lighttpd and /usr/sbin/lighttpd ? |
| 22:40.16 | caphuso | maher, mdadm: it's not a mistake |
| 22:40.28 | maher | caphuso: you can put the redirections first in an exec? |
| 22:40.32 | caphuso | "exec 2>&1" is perfectly fine |
| 22:40.42 | maher | caphuso: what does it do? |
| 22:40.47 | kingsley_ | Where is HD info in /proc? |
| 22:40.47 | Pappa | nothing |
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| 22:40.49 | Pappa | lol |
| 22:41.02 | caphuso | maher: point stderr to where stdout is pointing |
| 22:41.10 | mdadm | caphuso..caphuso: maybe my sh doesnt recognize \.... because when i put it on the same line everything is ok |
| 22:41.21 | mdadm | caphuso or if i put a space on the next line also ok |
| 22:41.50 | maher | caphuso: ok - i didn't realise you could put the redirections at the beginning... |
| 22:42.02 | caphuso | maher: it doesn't matter matter where you put them |
| 22:42.20 | caphuso | all that matters is the order, if you have more than one |
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| 22:42.35 | cafuego | Raf256: Something very broken. |
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| 22:42.53 | cafuego | Raf256: Maybe the disk was broken to begin with, and that's why it didn't shut down properly. |
| 22:43.04 | supervale | ciao a tutti |
| 22:43.05 | maher | Raf256: what fs? |
| 22:43.15 | caphuso | mdadm: the \ needs to be at the end of the line and there can't be any spaces after it, could that be the problem? |
| 22:43.17 | Raf256 | maher- all FS. ext2, ext3, reiser and xfs |
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| 22:43.27 | KKata | re |
| 22:43.40 | maher | Raf256: if there are any logs remaining look for disk errors in them |
| 22:43.40 | Pappa | echo 1>&2> motd "Hello" - try that, mdadm |
| 22:43.59 | Raf256 | maher- no errors where loged. also smartctrl shows nothing |
| 22:44.08 | Akselii | finally! |
| 22:44.15 | cafuego | Raf256: Why did you mix so many filesyetems? |
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| 22:44.25 | Akselii | Germany people have begone from my comp >:) |
| 22:44.33 | Raf256 | cafuego- to be secured, ext2 for boot - to work always |
| 22:44.38 | Raf256 | ext3 for backups |
| 22:44.43 | Raf256 | reiser and xfs for others |
| 22:45.03 | Raf256 | it seems it didnt helped anyway ;) ironicly, the ext3 was damaged the most |
| 22:45.07 | Raf256 | it seems |
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| 22:45.22 | cafuego | Raf256: Did you run fsck on them whilst they were mounted? |
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| 22:45.36 | Raf256 | cafuego- yeah, it took me half day |
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| 22:45.52 | cafuego | Raf256: Whilst they were *mounted* ? |
| 22:45.52 | Raf256 | well ok, time toreinstall Debian :| |
| 22:45.52 | Eclipser | should debian menu update automatically (in xfce) or is there some utility to update it (or do I have to restart x?) |
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| 22:46.01 | Raf256 | cafuego- no, I booted from knoopix |
| 22:46.12 | mdadm | caphuso yes but there needs to be a space at the beginning of the second line...right? |
| 22:46.26 | linoleum | hello guys, I try to read a DVD with XINE, and it's not as fast as normal, maybe it's encrypted, how can I do? |
| 22:46.40 | caphuso | mdadm: doesn't matter |
| 22:47.19 | mdadm | pappa has a spae between > and motd...so it seems there should be a space on the second line before /sur/sbin/lighttpd |
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| 22:47.40 | caphuso | mdadm: doesn't matter |
| 22:47.41 | jogla | linoleum: did you install libdvdcss already? |
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| 22:47.45 | Pappa | mdadm: what are you trying to run? |
| 22:47.56 | Pappa | that should be of no matter |
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| 22:48.18 | linoleum | jogla: no , but there is only the libdvdcss2-dev availlable |
| 22:48.49 | jogla | linoleum: if you didn't have installed libdvdcss you can't read encrypted dvds |
| 22:49.05 | linoleum | jogla: and how can I install it please? |
| 22:49.32 | jogla | sorry i dont know exatly |
| 22:49.40 | maher | linoleum: use marillats debs |
| 22:49.49 | jogla | you'll find it at /usr/doc |
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| 22:50.07 | linoleum | maher: ok tkx |
| 22:50.12 | DuckTales | Whenever I exit root, and relogin as root... /sbin isn't in my PATH anymore. |
| 22:50.18 | DuckTales | How can I permanently make it in my path? |
| 22:50.22 | jogla | Ok CU |
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| 22:51.14 | Raf256 | how do I setup manualy internet when my ip is 192.168.0.1 and gateway is 192.168.0.10 ? ifconfig eth0 addr 192.168.0.1 up && route add 192.168.0.10 default |
| 22:51.29 | C17H21NO4 | Totem stopped playing video for xvids. I get audio only. Xine plays them fine, I thought they were basically the same. What happened? |
| 22:51.33 | maher | Raf256: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use etherconf |
| 22:51.48 | C17H21NO4 | Raf256: route add default gw <ip addy> |
| 22:51.56 | Raf256 | maher- ok, and how can I make system re-read it after change? |
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| 22:52.09 | maher | Raf256: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:52.13 | DuckTales | Raf256, dhclient eth0 |
| 22:52.25 | DuckTales | One command, easiest way to get it quick and fast. |
| 22:53.05 | streuner | C17H21NO4: check out bts |
| 22:53.13 | snoke | i try instal lilo into to hde1 but i get error "Fatal: Setup length exceeds 31 maxium;..." when i run lilo -r /mnt can any one help ? |
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| 22:54.01 | mdadm | pappa: did it...i see..yah order doesnt matter |
| 22:54.43 | streuner | C17H21NO4: or just use xine |
| 22:54.49 | maw_ | I selcted Norwegain when I installed debian, but i want to change it to English. Is that possible, and if it is then how? |
| 22:54.55 | C17H21NO4 | streuner: bts? |
| 22:55.06 | streuner | C17H21NO4: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 22:55.20 | maw_ | *selected |
| 22:55.45 | streuner | maw_: apt-get install localeconf |
| 22:55.52 | Akselii | where can i edit my keyboard layout? |
| 22:55.57 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales, localeconf |
| 22:56.00 | streuner | maw_: and edit /etc/environment |
| 22:56.10 | simonrvn | Akselii: which one? |
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| 22:56.29 | Akselii | simonrvn, what you mean? i need fi-latin1 keyblayout |
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| 22:57.01 | simonrvn | Akselii: x, or console |
| 22:57.11 | Akselii | both i want to get that |
| 22:57.19 | Akselii | im running x now |
| 22:57.49 | syg | i just install ipw2200 for my wlan Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05). module loads but iwconfig does not show any valid interfaces, any idee? |
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| 22:59.49 | simonrvn | still doesn't tell me which one you want to fix |
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| 23:00.31 | Akselii | simonrvn, hello? |
| 23:01.00 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-data and xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:01.57 | Akselii | LANGUAGE = "de", |
| 23:01.59 | Akselii | wtf |
| 23:02.05 | Akselii | why language is de? |
| 23:02.18 | streuner | because its good :-) |
| 23:02.19 | shingouz | Akselii: no idea but you should change it i think |
| 23:02.21 | sussudio | !dachs Akselii |
| 23:02.21 | dpkg | Akselii: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
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| 23:02.35 | ralf | Hola! |
| 23:02.37 | Akselii | !!!! NOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo damn duch |
| 23:02.44 | C17H21NO4 | streuner: Were you suggesting that this was a known bug, or suggesting I start one? |
| 23:02.58 | Akselii | shingouz, how can i change it? |
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| 23:03.12 | streuner | C17H21NO4: what are you running, sid or sarge? |
| 23:03.13 | witless | i've got a software raid rebuild going on that's making my audio choppy - any way to fix? |
| 23:03.26 | C17H21NO4 | streuner: sarge |
| 23:03.46 | streuner | C17H21NO4: well, if its not in BTS just file a bugreport |
| 23:03.47 | shingouz | Akselii: how about telling us if you need to change the language of the whole system or just chage the keyboard? |
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| 23:04.28 | Akselii | hmm, i want the language to be English, but keyboard fi-latin1 |
| 23:04.28 | streuner | !keymap |
| 23:04.28 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 23:04.32 | shingouz | Akselii: there you go |
| 23:04.52 | Akselii | o_O |
| 23:04.59 | Akselii | umm k |
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| 23:05.13 | streuner | Akselii: didn't simonrvn told you that before? |
| 23:05.58 | Sorgo | Hello. My question is: How can I restore files like /bin/ps netstat and so on with original files if changed? thanks |
| 23:06.03 | briareus | so what has changed in debian over the last couple of years? |
| 23:06.16 | DuckTales | Whenever I exit root, and relogin as root... /sbin isn't in my PATH anymore....How can I permanently make it in my path? |
| 23:06.17 | simonrvn | so nice to be ignored... |
| 23:06.19 | streuner | briareus: lots of stuff |
| 23:06.28 | streuner | simonrvn: :-) |
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| 23:06.49 | abortigeno | hello, sorry for my bad english, for the time and for my (maybe) newby question, apt is tryng to deinstall 3/4 of my system, 607 to be removed |
| 23:07.23 | abortigeno | i use sid, and i got slow connection, is hard for me to reinstall everything... |
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| 23:08.48 | streuner | abortigeno: sounds you want to run 'apt-get remove xlibs' |
| 23:09.31 | abortigeno | no i just does apt-get -f install to check the system pack dependency |
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| 23:09.38 | abortigeno | and y saw this thing |
| 23:09.49 | abortigeno | then i try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:09.50 | streuner | abortigeno: did you alter sources.list? |
| 23:09.56 | maw_ | where is the init file, because i want to turn hotplug off :( |
| 23:10.18 | shingouz | maw_ /etc/init.d |
| 23:10.20 | streuner | maw_: man update-rc.d |
| 23:10.21 | abortigeno | what you mean whit alter? i've installed apt-proxy |
| 23:10.46 | streuner | change |
| 23:11.06 | abortigeno | yes, i've installed apt-proxy |
| 23:11.26 | abortigeno | but is so bugged that i purged and get back the old sources.list |
| 23:11.30 | streuner | show us in #flood |
| 23:11.39 | abortigeno | yes |
| 23:11.41 | mdadm | should a user have permissions to write to /var/run ? |
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| 23:11.53 | addNtoX | re |
| 23:12.20 | mdadm | pappa: lighttpd |
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| 23:12.52 | maw_ | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/hotplug exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) <- is it wise to use -f ? |
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| 23:13.16 | maw_ | I have configured the kernel myself, so i dont need hotplug |
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| 23:14.52 | maw_ | nvm |
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| 23:16.13 | Taraxacum | what gui is recommended to unzip tar.gz files with? |
| 23:16.20 | Taraxacum | and what command do it manually? |
| 23:16.20 | mdadm | help anyone? should /var/run be writeable by users? I have a program spitting back that it couldnt open a pid-file...when i run in user mode..but under root it is a-ok |
| 23:16.29 | streuner | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg tar |
| 23:16.30 | caphuso | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg tar |
| 23:16.34 | maw_ | tar xzf |
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| 23:17.23 | foureyes779_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.23 | ldexter | mdadm: yes |
| 23:17.43 | ldexter | $ ls -al /var/ | grep tmp |
| 23:17.43 | ldexter | drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 Mar 24 22:21 tmp |
| 23:17.53 | mdadm | ldexter: why isnt it writeable by users by default? strange... |
| 23:18.01 | ldexter | it should be |
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| 23:18.05 | ldexter | somehow it was changed |
| 23:18.10 | simonrvn | not /var/tmp, /var/run |
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| 23:18.46 | mdadm | yah /var/run .... the one that has pid files in t |
| 23:18.56 | mdadm | can anyone else verify? |
| 23:19.04 | jetscreamer | i discovered an interesting nt fact today: nt can deny root write access to files on a fat32 partition... aka won't let root delete. and this is when the fs is mounted under debian. |
| 23:19.11 | simonrvn | mine's 755, root:root |
| 23:19.25 | shingouz | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root |
| 23:19.42 | mdadm | yah same here....mine is not writeable by anyone but root... |
| 23:19.45 | mdadm | strange.... |
| 23:19.51 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 23:20.05 | simonrvn | root user starts the services. |
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| 23:20.16 | Akselii | can someone help me with alsa? i get these errors when i try to modprobe: http://sial.org/pbot/8624 |
| 23:20.22 | mdadm | well true.....hmmm.. |
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| 23:20.46 | simonrvn | check the init script |
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| 23:21.02 | jetscreamer | which kernel |
| 23:21.36 | jetscreamer | Akselii, |
| 23:21.36 | Akselii | oh |
| 23:21.37 | Akselii | 2.6.11.5 |
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| 23:23.32 | Akselii | jetscreamer, figured out the problem? |
| 23:24.08 | jetscreamer | where did you get the modules |
| 23:24.29 | Akselii | alsa-project.org |
| 23:24.34 | Akselii | there i think |
| 23:24.50 | jetscreamer | you could try using the kernel-modules |
| 23:25.00 | jetscreamer | like when you compile the kernel |
| 23:25.31 | jetscreamer | or is there no support for your chip |
| 23:25.46 | Akselii | hmm |
| 23:25.56 | Akselii | there is a support |
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| 23:26.09 | Akselii | i only built the kernel modules maching my chips |
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| 23:26.20 | Akselii | matchin |
| 23:26.43 | jetscreamer | my point is i don't know why you're in /usr/src/alsa/alsa-utils-1.0.9rc2 |
| 23:27.00 | Akselii | hehe |
| 23:27.04 | Akselii | its my thingys |
| 23:27.16 | Akselii | should i be somewhere else ? |
| 23:27.19 | jetscreamer | unless you had to compile in support because the kernel doesn't support your chip |
| 23:27.30 | Akselii | kernel does support my chip |
| 23:27.47 | Akselii | so i tried to use alsas guide for installing my audio |
| 23:28.06 | Akselii | i mean |
| 23:28.12 | Akselii | i built em as modules |
| 23:28.31 | Akselii | and now im at the new 2.6.11.5 kernel i just compiled, and the sound does not work |
| 23:28.36 | Akselii | i dont have /dev/dsp |
| 23:28.50 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 23:28.50 | dpkg | alsa-bork is probably modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 23:28.58 | jetscreamer | i heard dsp is an oss thingy |
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| 23:29.48 | jetscreamer | i have an au8810 on my kid's box |
| 23:29.59 | DuckTales | Is there any kind of gui update program...to check apt-get periodically...for updates. |
| 23:30.03 | DuckTales | I'm using sarge/xfce. |
| 23:30.04 | jetscreamer | or 8820 i forget |
| 23:30.19 | jetscreamer | synaptic and cron-apt DuckTales |
| 23:30.20 | Akselii | i got au8830 |
| 23:30.21 | thingfish | what are those 'mode (+l xxx) by debhelper' doing? |
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| 23:30.54 | briareus | the channel bot changing permissions or something |
| 23:31.08 | Akselii | jetscreamer, running windows on that box? |
| 23:31.16 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:31.25 | jetscreamer | no sid |
| 23:31.25 | thingfish | I was just curious. |
| 23:31.51 | shingouz | thingfish: the bot is changing the user limit of the channel |
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| 23:32.03 | DuckTales | jetscreamer, cron-apt is a gui? |
| 23:32.04 | mdadm | anyone know how to kill runsvdir processes in debian? ive been trying for like half and hour... |
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| 23:32.08 | Akselii | jetscreamer, how did you get the sound working? |
| 23:32.15 | thingfish | shingouz: thank you, I had been wondering. |
| 23:32.22 | shingouz | np |
| 23:33.04 | jetscreamer | DuckTales, cron-apt will check for and download updates... it's kind of a daemon/background thing... you'll still have to manually install em, but won't have to d/l em |
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| 23:33.45 | jetscreamer | Akselii, it 'Just Works'(TM) nowadays, with a stock kernel. got alsa-base ? |
| 23:33.57 | jetscreamer | !tell Akselii about alsa-bork |
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| 23:34.25 | Iwrite | Greetings. |
| 23:34.28 | jetscreamer | DuckTales, you may be able to tell it to install also.. not sure |
| 23:34.30 | Akselii | alsa-base |
| 23:34.31 | Akselii | hmm? |
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| 23:34.41 | DuckTales | jetscreamer, But it's a gui? |
| 23:34.41 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 23:34.46 | Akselii | okay |
| 23:34.52 | jetscreamer | DuckTales, no it's a cron script i think |
| 23:34.59 | Iwrite | I'm trying to d/l Debian. All I can find on the mirror is text files. Where do I find ISOs? |
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| 23:35.04 | jetscreamer | DuckTales, you don't have to do anything |
| 23:35.10 | DuckTales | yea, I know |
| 23:35.10 | jetscreamer | DuckTales, synaptic is the gui |
| 23:35.14 | DuckTales | I could just make my own cron job |
| 23:35.18 | DuckTales | I wanted a pretty gui |
| 23:35.20 | DuckTales | Some eye candy. |
| 23:35.20 | Akselii | now its dloading something |
| 23:35.25 | jetscreamer | ahh ncurses! |
| 23:35.31 | DuckTales | lol |
| 23:35.34 | jetscreamer | somehting? |
| 23:35.35 | DuckTales | ncurses isn't eye candy |
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| 23:35.49 | Akselii | well |
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| 23:35.58 | Akselii | libasound2-dev 1.0.8-3 |
| 23:36.01 | Taraxacum | how do i unzip a file? |
| 23:36.09 | Taraxacum | a .zip file |
| 23:36.12 | Akselii | eh? |
| 23:36.13 | pbryan | unzip filename |
| 23:36.14 | jetscreamer | so if i told you to apt-get install rootkittohackyourbox, would you 'just do it' ? :) |
| 23:36.23 | jetscreamer | unzip comes to mind Taraxacum |
| 23:36.28 | Akselii | dunno |
| 23:36.32 | jetscreamer | !info unzip |
| 23:36.40 | dpkg | unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.52-1 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 23:36.41 | simonrvn | @tell Taraxacum -about search |
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| 23:37.01 | Akselii | jetscreamer, damn geek :P but so am i! |
| 23:37.17 | Akselii | now its dloading alsa utils |
| 23:37.26 | jetscreamer | what a concept... |
| 23:37.29 | llama32 | hi ppl... anyone know the trick to getting java working (other than with sun's huge JRE - theres a few JVMs available on apt-get but i installed one and no browsers see it) |
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| 23:38.14 | jetscreamer | llama32, i just did the blackdown jre thing for my kid, i have no idea how it worked out though... i put blackdown in sources and apt-gotted it |
| 23:38.21 | Akselii | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:38.41 | Akselii | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 23:38.48 | Akselii | i think that locale works good... |
| 23:38.49 | llama32 | thanks jetscreamer ill have a look at this blackdown thing :) |
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| 23:39.40 | jetscreamer | deb http://www.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ sid non-free |
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| 23:40.10 | Akselii | what was that dpkg locale thingy? |
| 23:40.22 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 23:40.48 | websdale | llama32:use java-package to install it - it works 100% |
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| 23:42.48 | mdadm | do other peple feel ln's syntax is backwards... |
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| 23:42.58 | mdadm | i was think it should be the otherway around.. |
| 23:43.19 | simonrvn | you get used to it |
| 23:43.20 | pipeline | mdadm: The first argument is the file that exists, which makes sense to me. |
| 23:43.34 | simonrvn | *seems* backwards, but it does make sense |
| 23:43.46 | mdadm | pipeline: yah but ialways think of it as an arrow..pointing from this to that... |
| 23:43.59 | mdadm | ln -s this that...but really it is ln -s that this |
| 23:44.08 | Taraxacum | can someone help me with a little problem in private? it will prolly take a few mins |
| 23:44.13 | simonrvn | ln -s real fake |
| 23:44.19 | Taraxacum | tops 10mins |
| 23:44.25 | mdadm | heheh..thats a better way to think of it... |
| 23:44.29 | mdadm | real fake..not this that.. |
| 23:44.42 | simonrvn | Taraxacum: just ask |
| 23:44.53 | jepel_tailweaver | unix things always use oldthing newthing in that order |
| 23:44.53 | jepel_tailweaver | like mount --bind |
| 23:44.53 | jepel_tailweaver | so ln does make sense |
| 23:44.53 | jepel_tailweaver | ln -s target link_name |
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| 23:45.04 | Akselii | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. grr wat now>( usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 23:45.07 | Taraxacum | well i have a problem to install a game |
| 23:45.10 | llama32 | can i make apt-get update only update one source? (im on dialup, so id much rather stick with 3-day old sources than spend 20 minutes updating them) |
| 23:45.13 | Taraxacum | it's a simple one really |
| 23:45.25 | Taraxacum | simutrans |
| 23:45.31 | mdadm | im probably gonna kill my system in a bit....i have a runsvdir /here process running...i am going to delet /here |
| 23:45.32 | simonrvn | Akselii: what did you select as locales? |
| 23:45.36 | kreg | recommend an antivirus for sarge? |
| 23:45.45 | simonrvn | clamav |
| 23:45.49 | Akselii | simonrvn, i chose some en one and all fi ones |
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| 23:45.57 | Taraxacum | the manual says i should first unzip the file that makes a simutrans directory |
| 23:46.04 | Taraxacum | that works just fine |
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| 23:46.42 | Taraxacum | but after that it says i should unzip the binary file to the dir above simutrans, but the file i put there got the same name as the directory |
| 23:46.42 | simonrvn | Akselii: check /etc/environment, and run locale-gen to make sure, afterwards |
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| 23:46.54 | Taraxacum | so i just can't |
| 23:46.58 | Akselii | okay |
| 23:47.05 | simonrvn | Taraxacum: so rename the dir... |
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| 23:47.16 | Taraxacum | would it still work fine? |
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| 23:47.34 | simonrvn | only one way to find out |
| 23:47.37 | Akselii | what should i put to LC_MESSAGES? its empty |
| 23:47.45 | Taraxacum | yeah i guess |
| 23:47.49 | simonrvn | Akselii: eh? what are you doing? |
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| 23:48.00 | Akselii | im at /etc/environment |
| 23:48.09 | simonrvn | paste in #flood what it says |
| 23:48.30 | Akselii | not rite now |
| 23:48.31 | Akselii | but soon |
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| 23:51.19 | Akselii | okay simonrvn ill paste to flood chan |
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| 23:53.34 | jcurry | does anyone know of debian package of enlightenment dr17? |
| 23:54.07 | stew | !beer me |
| 23:54.08 | simonrvn | no. there isn't. build it yourself |
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| 23:55.05 | jcurry | simonrvn, i'm doing that, but i was hoping someone could have saved me some time |
| 23:55.29 | Taraxacum | what is libSDL-1.2.so.0 good for? |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:55.57 | jcurry | it gives you acces to the direct simplemedia layer library |
| 23:56.01 | jcurry | acess* |
| 23:56.07 | jcurry | lotsa games use it |
| 23:56.12 | Taraxacum | okay |
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| 23:56.28 | Darien | how can I downgrade a package to the previous version? |
| 23:56.29 | Taraxacum | in other words it's used to show graphics? |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | Taraxacum: libsdl.org |
| 23:56.55 | Akselii | simonrvn, i sent you a PM |
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| 23:57.12 | simonrvn | please keep it public |
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| 23:57.28 | Akselii | umm k |
| 23:57.32 | Akselii | anyways |
| 23:57.39 | Akselii | did you read my thing in flood chan? |
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| 23:58.06 | Akselii | its set to de altho i set it to fi |
| 23:58.16 | simonrvn | it's looking for that, despite not having it. try logging out, then log in again |
| 23:58.39 | simonrvn | some of those settings don't "take" until you've logged out |
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| 23:59.24 | Akselii | okay |
| 23:59.41 | simonrvn | anyway, i gotta go soon. good luck |
| 23:59.46 | Akselii | would crtl-alt-<--- do it? |
| 23:59.50 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:59.55 | carol | can someone help me install via apt a good torrent client for sarge? |
| 23:59.58 | simonrvn | oh, that :) |
