| 00:00.09 | Darien | carol: apt-get install bittornado bittornado-gui |
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| 00:01.05 | carol | Darien: should i install bittornado first and then bittornado-gui or is that the full command? |
| 00:01.05 | buu | dpkg test |
| 00:01.05 | dpkg | No, buu, you're not online any more. |
| 00:01.09 | Taraxacum | yay! i got my first game working in linux ;) |
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| 00:01.35 | Darien | carol: that's the whole thing, apt will do the install in whatever the best way to do it is |
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| 00:01.41 | Darien | carol: trust apt, it knows all ;) |
| 00:02.30 | Azra`el | Not. |
| 00:02.31 | Akselii | nope |
| 00:02.35 | Akselii | didnt change the locale |
| 00:02.44 | kreg | to do a full system scan, is "clamscan -r" sufficient? i would assume the -r would be default |
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| 00:03.16 | carol | ive tried "apt-get install bittornado" but when i tried to run it wouldnt open and it didnt appear inthe kde menu either |
| 00:03.31 | carol | so i removed it |
| 00:03.47 | Akselii | www.bittornado.com was it? download the sources and compile |
| 00:03.50 | jcurry | that's cause it a console app |
| 00:03.55 | Akselii | then add it to kde menu manually |
| 00:04.01 | Akselii | so i do |
| 00:04.06 | jcurry | use apt to install bittornado-gui |
| 00:04.17 | jcurry | then it will appear in the menu itself |
| 00:04.25 | jcurry | and ignore Akselii :) |
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| 00:04.30 | Akselii | .... |
| 00:04.45 | carol | Akselii: i tried to run it with alt f2 but it said something about bittornado not being in the right place :/ |
| 00:04.49 | jcurry | carol, really, do a apt-get install bittornado bittornado-gui |
| 00:04.49 | Akselii | i would install gentoo if i would have bandwith for this |
| 00:04.53 | jcurry | apt is magic |
| 00:05.10 | carol | ok jcurry |
| 00:05.16 | Akselii | and more than this sucky 500mhz processor |
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| 00:05.26 | Akselii | DAMN ALSA |
| 00:05.34 | Akselii | work damnit |
| 00:05.42 | sussudio | Akselii: do you have a mute button? |
| 00:05.46 | carol | thanks for the help guys |
| 00:05.50 | dli | can I get ssh XForwarding through a gate? A <=> B <=> C |
| 00:05.50 | carol | cya |
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| 00:06.11 | jcurry | carol, anytime |
| 00:06.15 | jcurry | woops |
| 00:06.27 | Akselii | sussudio, if i get no file or device? |
| 00:07.23 | aeyakovenko | i managed to install debian on an external usb drive but i cant get the system to boot, i get a kernel panic when it tries |
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| 00:10.06 | Akselii | aaarrrgghhh |
| 00:10.16 | Akselii | sussudio, and no i dont have a mute button |
| 00:10.32 | dvs | Akselii: We can make one. ;-) |
| 00:10.39 | Akselii | wtf? |
| 00:10.52 | dvs | Akselii: Just kidding! |
| 00:11.06 | Akselii | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 00:12.02 | pollywog | Is there a way to fix a Debian system that has lost the package status database? |
| 00:12.03 | Akselii | !info alsa |
| 00:12.15 | pollywog | or is a reinstall the only option? |
| 00:12.23 | maher | pollywog: look in /var/backups |
| 00:12.30 | pollywog | tnx |
| 00:12.35 | KirbyMeister | pollywog: i dont know. the package database is a crucial part of the packaging system |
| 00:12.49 | maher | pollywog: make backups in future |
| 00:13.25 | pollywog | I see stuff there but not sure what to do with it |
| 00:13.31 | pollywog | will have to just guess |
| 00:14.02 | Akselii | wha |
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| 00:14.11 | Akselii | sarge is? |
| 00:14.13 | KirbyMeister | BTW, I'm having problems getting an XP box to recognize my Linux box - the strangest thing is that it worked perfectly before with a 95 box, and I can see the XP box on my Debian Linux box - but the XP box cant see me. It can see me if I boot into ME, but not if i'm using Debian. |
| 00:14.14 | Akselii | do i have it? |
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| 00:14.37 | maher | pollywog: take the most recent dpkg.status and copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:14.42 | Azra`el | KirbyMeister, XP / NT are like that. |
| 00:14.49 | pollywog | maher I did that |
| 00:14.53 | Akselii | hey? |
| 00:15.00 | KirbyMeister | Azra`el: I think they are fighting to become NetBIOS name servers |
| 00:15.04 | pollywog | things still don't seem to be normal |
| 00:15.15 | maher | pollywog: what's wrong |
| 00:15.26 | Akselii | !info discover1 |
| 00:15.27 | Azra`el | KirbyMeister: disable it in samba then |
| 00:15.28 | dpkg | discover1: (hardware identification system), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.7 (sid), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 00:15.34 | shingouz | Akselii: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:15.40 | KirbyMeister | Azra`el: Okay. What's the config option, I have a root console open right now |
| 00:16.18 | pollywog | says libc6 is not installed |
| 00:16.32 | Akselii | it says 3.1 |
| 00:16.33 | pollywog | oh I know, I will use the next oldest status file |
| 00:16.36 | Akselii | is that good or bad? |
| 00:16.42 | Azra`el | KirbyMeister: Read the config file. it should be Well commented. |
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| 00:16.57 | matteo | Hola |
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| 00:17.23 | Akselii | because of that DAMN locale i cant get it to work |
| 00:17.26 | shingouz | Akselii: sarge in that case (unless you have hacked /etc/apt/sources.list to point to unstable which would be a very bad thing) |
| 00:17.33 | maher | pollywog: what do you type to get this error |
| 00:18.10 | Akselii | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.12 | pollywog | maher: dpkg -l | grep courier |
| 00:18.28 | maher | pollywog: does dselect run? |
| 00:18.28 | pollywog | oh wait no |
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| 00:18.38 | pollywog | yes |
| 00:18.41 | pollywog | it runs |
| 00:18.44 | Akselii | heelloo? |
| 00:18.49 | Azra`el | HI |
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| 00:19.05 | maher | pollywog: ok - run dselect - select install - see if it copes |
| 00:19.32 | virus | Mmh - anyone knows a good guide how to get rid of the t0rn rootkit on a machine? at least that it doesn't produce any unneccesary traffic anymore. :-/ |
| 00:19.42 | maher | virus: reinstall |
| 00:20.04 | Azra`el | virus: Reinstall. |
| 00:20.05 | dli | virus: how to check for it? |
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| 00:20.17 | plagerism | why would I get /usr/bin/ldd: line 95: /usr/bin/lddlibc4: No such file or directory, when /usr/bin/lddlibc4 exists?? |
| 00:20.19 | Azra`el | Never trust a machine that's had a kit installed. period. |
| 00:20.29 | maher | IC-DC: don't msg me - i don't speak arabic i'm afraid.... |
| 00:20.34 | virus | dli, I got some unusual traffic and found that the machine got a connection to dalnet - so it's pretty sure. :-/ |
| 00:20.34 | igraltist | wie bekomme ich alle auf deutsch, wenn ich locale eingebe habe ich de_DE@euro aber im controllcenter is us_Us. |
| 00:20.36 | pollywog | slider:/tmp# apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
| 00:20.37 | pollywog | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:20.37 | pollywog | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:20.37 | pollywog | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded. |
| 00:20.37 | pollywog | Need to get 0B/1732kB of archives. |
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| 00:20.40 | mdadm | anyone know the use of /var/service ? |
| 00:20.46 | mdadm | is that directory automatically checked? |
| 00:20.48 | dli | virus: chkrootkit? |
| 00:20.57 | shingouz | igraltist: #debian-de |
| 00:20.57 | Azra`el | igraltist, hallo |
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| 00:21.06 | igraltist | ups soory |
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| 00:21.19 | pollywog | sorry forgot about flooding |
| 00:21.22 | IC-DC | maher: your nam is recognized very well in the arabic community, and sorry for messeging you SIR! |
| 00:21.57 | maher | IC-DC: maher is my surname - its a common irish surname as well.... |
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| 00:22.20 | IC-DC | hope you like it |
| 00:22.31 | maher | pollywog: that seems to be ok |
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| 00:22.43 | maher | IC-DC: guess i never really thought about it... ;) |
| 00:22.51 | paulswm | mdadm: /var/service is non standard and not in the FHS |
| 00:23.05 | pollywog | no it says dselect has never been configured |
| 00:23.11 | mdadm | paulswm: FHS? |
| 00:23.15 | Akselii | can someone help with alsa? |
| 00:23.21 | virus | at least it doesn't seam to be the torn rootkit - but I got some suspicios connection from httpd to dalnet... mmmh |
| 00:23.24 | paulswm | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
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| 00:23.51 | maher | pollywog: dunno - does it have a configure option? |
| 00:24.06 | matteo | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH |
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| 00:24.23 | matteo | what WIR and SIYH did means? |
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| 00:24.36 | pollywog | I guess I will have to put my important files on another machine and reinstall debian |
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| 00:25.01 | Azra`el | virus |
| 00:25.02 | paulswm | !wir |
| 00:25.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 00:25.08 | maher | pollywog: if apt is working you should be able to fix things - but sometimes it is quicker to reinstall... |
| 00:25.09 | Azra`el | accept it as rooted |
| 00:25.11 | Azra`el | kill the install |
| 00:25.13 | Azra`el | format |
| 00:25.15 | Azra`el | reinstall |
| 00:25.36 | matteo | !siyh |
| 00:25.36 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
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| 00:25.48 | matteo | !rsn |
| 00:25.48 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 00:25.55 | pollywog | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of dselect: |
| 00:25.55 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.01 | maher | virus: paste netsta -pant in #flood |
| 00:26.01 | pollywog | only it IS installed |
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| 00:26.32 | maher | pollywog: what version though? what version of debian? |
| 00:26.39 | pollywog | sarge |
| 00:27.06 | lwolv | simple watcher (swatch): Info needed on the "--restart-time" option. |
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| 00:27.14 | dli | pollywog, apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
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| 00:27.15 | maher | pollywog: paste the whole error in #flood |
| 00:27.30 | pollywog | dli that might work |
| 00:27.33 | pollywog | thanks |
| 00:27.47 | pollywog | maher: k |
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| 00:31.53 | mdadm | hey guys when we do a ls -lat and see those two user columns..first one is the owner and the second one is creator yah? |
| 00:31.57 | lwolv | simple watcher (swatch): Can anybody give a practical example of swatch run with "--restart-time" option. I mean when it is run with this option what will restart at a given time? Swatch? what if I run it as a daemon? Will it restart in this case too? |
| 00:32.10 | dvs | mdadm: group |
| 00:32.27 | mdadm | dvs: second one is group> |
| 00:32.36 | dvs | mdadm: yup |
| 00:32.48 | lwolv | And why on earth would it be useful to restart it at a specified time? To reload the configuration or what? |
| 00:33.11 | mdadm | thanks dvs! |
| 00:33.12 | dvs | lwolv: Change the log file for one. |
| 00:33.18 | michal_ | damn.. i need to find a second hand wrt54gs v1.0 router |
| 00:33.44 | lwolv | dvs, the log file being watched you mean? |
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| 00:34.14 | dvs | lwolv: The log fine being generated by a daemon. |
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| 00:36.27 | lwolv | dvs, I don't get it. Could you give a practical example? Do you mean to do a kindof logrotate? |
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| 00:37.03 | dvs | lwolv: Yes, like logrotate |
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| 00:37.17 | Todd_ | is there anyway to delete all the files in a folder but not the folder? |
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| 00:37.35 | maher | lwolv: if you're writing to the file and its open, it won't get rotated till its closed... |
| 00:37.50 | maher | Todd_: cd folder, rm -rf * |
| 00:37.57 | Todd_ | awsome, thanks |
| 00:38.00 | maher | Todd_: be careful |
| 00:38.17 | rob^ | yeah, don't do that in / |
| 00:38.49 | rob^ | or bye bye Linux |
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| 00:39.53 | Todd_ | heh |
| 00:39.57 | blahdeblah | I had a friend who did that on a production system, and his workmates nicknamed him "R. M. Williams". :-) |
| 00:40.03 | lwolv | maher, dvs, thanks got it finally. Last question: if I run it like this : "swatch --daemon -t /var/log/foo --restart-time +01:00" will it be restarted every hour or just once (in a time+1h)? |
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| 00:40.52 | rob^ | blahdeblah, I told some annoying git to to that on here to his /home once, and he blindly copied/pasted and hit enter.. |
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| 00:42.01 | lakcaj | Someone told me early on when I first started using Linux to put the flags at the end of the rm statement, that way if you accidently press enter or are typing the wrong path at the end, you won't hose your system... like "rm /path/to/some/directory -rfv" |
| 00:42.15 | lwolv | maher, dvs, or another way to ask is: with what parameters will it be restarted? |
| 00:42.41 | dvs | lwolv: don't know |
| 00:42.55 | Todd_ | lakcaj: I guess it would be better to specify the directory but just being in it would be ok |
| 00:43.17 | Todd_ | heh rm / -rfv might be bad |
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| 00:43.26 | Todd_ | i really don't want to try it though |
| 00:43.28 | rob^ | yep |
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| 00:43.53 | NoGodNoMaster | hi, does anybody have problems with video playback (any player: xine, mplayer, kaffeine, noatun) lately?? |
| 00:43.57 | Todd_ | I usually don't do that under root though |
| 00:44.10 | Todd_ | or anything with remove |
| 00:44.12 | rob^ | no |
| 00:44.47 | lwolv | dvs, hate poorely documented tools. Especially those small and terriblby usefull ones. Thanks anyway. |
| 00:45.01 | wintix | heh |
| 00:45.23 | dvs | NoGodNoMaster: My mplayer works fine with DVDs. |
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| 00:45.51 | eidolon | grrr. was there some decision made up the chain to keep pushing 'caudium' onto my mcahine when i do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:46.00 | eidolon | it keeps replacing apache2 with caudium. |
| 00:46.03 | llama32 | anyone know how to make apt-get update only update one source? |
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| 00:46.48 | rixth | What is a good application that I can use to view photos? I want to be able to press a button to mvoe through the pictures in a directory |
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| 00:46.51 | wintix | llama32: apt-get install foo |
| 00:47.01 | wintix | llama32: it updates automatically |
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| 00:47.19 | NoGodNoMaster | dvs: the problem is with avi files ... suddenly they dont play anymore ... maybe problems with marillats libavifile-win32codecs? |
| 00:47.24 | joshua__ | how to stop X from trying to start right after boot? |
| 00:47.39 | rob^ | rixth, eog |
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| 00:48.02 | eidolon | joshua__: X is started via a display manager. disable the display manager. |
| 00:48.05 | dvs | joshua__: apt-get remove gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 00:48.11 | eidolon | or remove it :) |
| 00:48.27 | rixth | rob^, I didn't know eog could do that! |
| 00:48.28 | joshua__ | if I try to remove it, it also wants to remove xfree86 |
| 00:48.38 | eidolon | just remove gdm or xdm or whatever from /etc/init.d |
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| 00:48.58 | joshua__ | k thx |
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| 00:49.07 | eidolon | i'm sure there's a magic way to disable it in config, but that'll do it. |
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| 00:49.19 | dli | joshua__, update-rc.d xdm remove |
| 00:49.22 | Eno_ | did a recent sid update screw up fonts? |
| 00:49.24 | rob^ | rixth, once you use it to open a directory, it gives you thumbnails. You can use the arrow keys on your keyboard to go through them |
| 00:49.26 | dvs | eidolon: update-rc.d |
| 00:49.38 | pollywog | maher you still here? |
| 00:50.15 | maher | pollywog: yes |
| 00:50.21 | eidolon | interesting. |
| 00:50.28 | maher | !nodm |
| 00:50.29 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:50.30 | pollywog | will post error in #flood |
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| 00:50.43 | joshua__ | btw how can I kill system bell for good? |
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| 00:50.59 | eidolon | aha, maher, that's better. thanks. |
| 00:51.14 | dli | joshua__, xset b off |
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| 00:51.39 | joshua__ | dli not in X |
| 00:51.40 | dvs | joshua__: Remove the pcspkr module. |
| 00:51.46 | joshua__ | ah right ok thx |
| 00:51.46 | dli | joshua__, if you really hate it, disable it in kernel |
| 00:51.47 | TGM | why does debian have an inconsistant TLD? snapshot and volitle are in d.net, while just about everything else is in d.org... why? |
| 00:52.09 | joshua__ | hmm pcspkr isnt loaded |
| 00:52.44 | maher | TGM: afaik .net is not official |
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| 00:53.35 | wintix | why is there a limit of 775 people? |
| 00:53.39 | TGM | ok... but volitle is official AFAIK, so why is it under the .net TLD? |
| 00:54.13 | maher | TGM: i think volatile will be official at some point, but i didn't think it was yet, i may be wrong |
| 00:54.23 | TGM | oic |
| 00:54.44 | terry97 | how do I change my hostname |
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| 00:55.15 | dli | terry97, vi /etc/hostname |
| 00:55.21 | maher | terry97: hostname newname, edit /etc/hostname to make it persistent |
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| 00:55.50 | terry97 | ok thanks maher |
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| 00:56.43 | trogger | what is the simplest way to make an existing user a member of a group? editing /etc/groups ? |
| 00:57.01 | Akselii | adduser <user> <group> |
| 00:57.01 | dli | trogger, adduser <user> <group> |
| 00:57.01 | trogger | s/groups/group |
| 00:57.07 | Akselii | ahah |
| 00:57.08 | JptrDuo | the kuser tool is a good GUI for adding users to groups |
| 00:57.08 | trogger | dli: thanks. |
| 00:57.21 | Akselii | i was first and no thanks eh? |
| 00:57.23 | Akselii | ;P |
| 00:58.13 | rob^ | mmm chicken maccaoni cheese |
| 00:58.20 | trogger | Akselii: my apologies :) didn't see it there |
| 00:58.23 | rob^ | + tomato sauce |
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| 00:58.41 | trogger | Akselii: you'll have to type in bold next time :) |
| 00:58.43 | dli | rob^ soy sauce |
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| 00:59.07 | aFlag | where can i find a source server to put on my sources.list? |
| 00:59.24 | rob^ | hmm.. soy sauce hey? |
| 00:59.31 | dli | aFlag, apt-setup |
| 00:59.40 | mdadm | guys should root run sshd and the webserver? from a security standpt is that ok? or is there a special user called webserver and sshduser? |
| 00:59.45 | rixth | I have a website that has a couple hundred zip files, if there any app which I can point to my website and have it download all those zip files? |
| 00:59.47 | dvs | aFlag: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 00:59.59 | johnie | the webserver should run as www-data |
| 01:00.21 | trogger | rixth: wget |
| 01:00.30 | wintix | mdadm: webserver shouldn't be root. never. |
| 01:00.55 | iIzzyb | I've been pulling my hair out trying to get a static ip set for eth0. it works perfectly if I set the address with dhcp, but doesn't work if I set it statically. anyone had this problem? |
| 01:00.55 | dli | rixth: lftp can do scripts |
| 01:00.59 | mdadm | wintix: but when i try to run webserver as another user-- it complains that it cant write to this directory, or it cant read this file, etc etc |
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| 01:01.19 | wintix | then set the right permissions to the directorys and files |
| 01:01.29 | rob^ | iIzzyb, ifconfig |
| 01:01.30 | dli | iIzzyb, check netmask, and run "route" |
| 01:01.31 | tabris|away | wintix: do you mean 'right' or 'write' ? |
| 01:01.35 | rixth | trogger, I want to set a progrm to goto http://example.com go through all the links on there and download any zips it finds. dli, I know nothing about scripting though :( |
| 01:01.56 | Darien | rixth: man wget |
| 01:01.57 | wintix | tabris|away: i mean right. the correct. |
| 01:01.58 | Azra`el | rixth: alot of people get irate if you spider their site. |
| 01:02.01 | Azra`el | =) |
| 01:02.22 | dli | rixth: try easiest, "wget -r http://example.com/index.html" |
| 01:02.25 | rixth | Azra`el, heh, yeah |
| 01:02.29 | iIzzyb | I've checked the settings in both ifconfig and route -n and all looks correct |
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| 01:02.41 | rixth | 'll tkae a looka t the man pages |
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| 01:02.44 | Darien | rixth: we've given you the power, now it's up to you to not be an ass with it ;) |
| 01:02.50 | Azra`el | rixth: i know a few admins that keep a DoS net for that kinda stuff =) |
| 01:02.56 | mdadm | wintix: how about the sshd daemon? is it ok for root to run that? |
| 01:03.00 | dli | iIzzyb, can you ping? |
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| 01:03.02 | iIzzyb | I thought maybe it was a problem with a bad nic, so I've tried 3 now and all have the same problem |
| 01:03.04 | iIzzyb | nope |
| 01:03.14 | wintix | mdadm: afaik, sshd has to be root. |
| 01:03.18 | mdadm | wintix: why is sshd ok for root to run but not webserver? |
| 01:03.27 | mdadm | wintix: sshd is probably hackable tooo |
| 01:03.36 | mdadm | wintix: but much tougher probably eh? |
| 01:03.46 | dli | iIzzyb, get dhcp, and save all configurations, ifconfig, route |
| 01:03.56 | jepel_tailweaver | sshd you have to log into stuff with |
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| 01:04.01 | jepel_tailweaver | there's no reason why a webserver needs root |
| 01:04.17 | wintix | mdadm: be root only if you need to be root. webserver dont need root. |
| 01:04.27 | KirbyMeister | mdadm: sshd runs as root because it implements remote login and shell |
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| 01:05.04 | iIzzyb | dli? how do you mean? |
| 01:05.24 | KirbyMeister | a webserver, on the other hand, just serves out documents and sometimes runs a CGI; it just needs permissions for *its* files. |
| 01:05.35 | pollywog | maher: the status file says it IS installed |
| 01:05.36 | iIzzyb | I've configured the network settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:05.45 | mdadm | got it..thanks guys |
| 01:05.45 | dli | iIzzyb, ifconfig > ~/ifconfig.out;route > ~/route.out |
| 01:05.52 | pollywog | thanks for the help, the only way out of this is a reinstall. |
| 01:06.01 | KirbyMeister | POSIX-conformant operating systems often run under the principal of least privlege: only give the program enough permissions to do it's job, and no extra |
| 01:06.14 | dli | iIzzyb, then, try to set everything up manually |
| 01:06.15 | rixth | Azra`el, I think I'll just download them maunally. Admins would get angry seeings many Wget user agents :) |
| 01:06.18 | iIzzyb | dli, oh, as in you want to see them? |
| 01:06.20 | pollywog | I will copy as many of my important files as I can think of and then reinstall Debian |
| 01:06.37 | Space_Monkey | which means i'm out of here |
| 01:06.39 | dli | iIzzyb, you need to find out what's the difference |
| 01:06.45 | jepel_tailweaver | pollywog, /home /etc /root and some stuff in /var and maybe /usr/local and /opt |
| 01:06.53 | iIzzyb | oh, you mean setup the dhcp values I get staticlly |
| 01:07.01 | iIzzyb | yeah, that's what I can't figure out |
| 01:07.05 | samdret | i'm trying to install debian on a laptop with a pcmcia network card (3Com Etherlink III 3C589D), but i can't seem to get it to work... can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:07.11 | pollywog | thanks jepel_tailweaver |
| 01:07.12 | wintix | pollywog: copy ur bookmarks, homedirectory and settings. and your date ;) |
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| 01:07.18 | dli | iIzzyb, all in ifconfig.out and route.out |
| 01:07.21 | pollywog | my date? |
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| 01:07.30 | iIzzyb | I thought maybe it was something wrong with my isp, so I setup statically on my local network |
| 01:07.33 | iIzzyb | with the same problem |
| 01:07.39 | wintix | er. data. |
| 01:07.46 | pollywog | oh :) |
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| 01:08.05 | pollywog | I will take advantage of this tragedy and remove my old win partition |
| 01:08.12 | pollywog | recover some disk space |
| 01:08.13 | dli | iIzzyb, right, your isp may reject your ip, you test locally first |
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| 01:08.20 | wintix | good idea :) |
| 01:08.32 | wintix | i recently got rid of my win, too. |
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| 01:08.48 | wintix | and i burned the cds.. heh.. |
| 01:08.48 | iIzzyb | everything looks correct. my mask/bcast/ip/gateway settings are all set correctly when I check ifconfig/route after setting them statically in network/interfaces |
| 01:08.48 | pollywog | I can play most games on Cedega now |
| 01:08.56 | pollywog | if they are not Linux-native |
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| 01:09.10 | iIzzyb | but it just doesn't work and I can't figure out what the problem is |
| 01:09.14 | wintix | yepp. me 2. |
| 01:09.24 | pollywog | only Bridge Commander will not run on Cedega, of the games I play |
| 01:09.44 | pollywog | and xfire |
| 01:10.02 | iIzzyb | I thought maybe it was an issue with the via-rhine driver, so i tried a different nic. now I have a tulip nic in and still the same problems |
| 01:10.09 | wintix | pollywog: i experienced some probs with some older games. but .. they run in a vmware ;) |
| 01:10.09 | pollywog | thanks to all who helped :) |
| 01:10.28 | pollywog | I wondered if vmware would work for games |
| 01:10.44 | pollywog | Win4Lin does not but it only costs $89 |
| 01:10.46 | mdadm | but webuser needs access to files like /var/run/lighttpd.pid all the time.... how do i give webserver ac |
| 01:10.50 | jetscreamer | if you install nt5 on fat32, then tar the part up, you can 'reinstall' anytime.. which means you can totally trash it and never worry |
| 01:10.53 | mdadm | access to write there? |
| 01:10.53 | wintix | pollywog: vmware 5. starcraft is running inside, e.g. |
| 01:10.58 | pollywog | oic |
| 01:11.02 | pollywog | vmware price? |
| 01:11.12 | wintix | no idea.. |
| 01:11.19 | pollywog | $300 or more I think |
| 01:11.20 | wintix | expencive. |
| 01:11.23 | pollywog | yes |
| 01:11.29 | wintix | but great software. |
| 01:11.34 | pipeline | VMware 5 is free as it is in beta. |
| 01:11.40 | pipeline | The academic license is reasonably affordable |
| 01:11.40 | pollywog | how much RAM would I need for it |
| 01:11.41 | wintix | atm, im beta-testing vmware 5. |
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| 01:11.48 | pipeline | The full version is a great deal more than 300$ |
| 01:11.49 | iIzzyb | as near as I can tell, the settings are correct. they are almost exactly the same as another box which is working just fine |
| 01:12.06 | pollywog | more than $400? |
| 01:12.06 | pipeline | wintix: Why run starcraft in vmware? It runs freaking great in wine. |
| 01:12.24 | pipeline | pollywog: I think it's in the neighborhood of 500. The academic license is around a hundred. |
| 01:12.29 | pollywog | oic |
| 01:12.32 | wintix | pollywog: i run it with 512 mr ram host -side and the guest-os get between 128 and 256 |
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| 01:12.51 | wintix | pipeline: cause it needs IPX and in wine it dooesnt work |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | IPX? |
| 01:13.04 | pollywog | well I don't think I want to pay $500 for it and I believe in paying for my commercial software |
| 01:13.05 | pipeline | wintix: Starcraft uses UDP just fine |
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| 01:13.22 | pipeline | wintix: Also, IPX/SPX works in wine if you set the winver and play with stupid shit |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | freecraft! |
| 01:13.56 | wintix | pipeline: pipeline: oh. wtf.. i schould have updated to the last version of starcraft... |
| 01:14.17 | pipeline | wintix: Well, you can play starcraft in wine with IPX/SPX, but you have to have IPX/SPX support in your kernel (and who does that?) |
| 01:14.41 | wintix | pipeline: i have.. i compiled it in for starcraft.... |
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| 01:14.57 | abrotman | pipeline: debian does :) |
| 01:15.00 | pipeline | wintix: wtf indeed -- starcraft has had UDP support since the early XP betas. |
| 01:15.11 | pipeline | abrotman: I would feel too dirty typing that particular modprobe command to ever hit enter. |
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| 01:15.23 | wintix | pipeline: i hat a very very old version... just saw. |
| 01:15.28 | Overand | hey |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | i thought IPX died a long time ago .. like duke nukem :) |
| 01:15.34 | Overand | i just got this error durring a running SSH session |
| 01:15.40 | pipeline | abrotman: fortunately, we have kali |
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| 01:15.43 | Overand | "Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input." - should i be worried? |
| 01:15.47 | pipeline | abrotman: with which to play duke nukem via tcp/ip |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | i guess |
| 01:15.58 | kanzure | Are there any photo slideshow creators for Linux? |
| 01:16.14 | pipeline | kanzure: f-spot |
| 01:16.21 | Overand | It's over wifi. I'm worried someone might be attempting to do something with my connection. |
| 01:16.23 | wintix | freecraft looks nice.. |
| 01:16.24 | kanzure | pipeline: is that preinstalled normally? |
| 01:16.27 | abrotman | creators with the output being what? |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | kanzure: no |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | kanzure: what out put do you wnat? |
| 01:16.52 | kanzure | abrotman: a slideshow of all my jpegs |
| 01:16.53 | DoktorTomoe | Maybe you can help me ... I am evaluating OOoBeta2 on Debian Sid. Works fine, exept for the database part. Do you know where/how I can get a working JDBC? |
| 01:16.54 | pipeline | kanzure: Wait, do you want to watch a slideshow on your PC, or do you want to burn some kind of CD? Because the former is easy: digikam or f-spot |
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| 01:17.05 | ysothoth | Overand: And since you are concerned about privacy over untrusted networks, you set up IPSec right? |
| 01:17.05 | kanzure | pipeline: on my computer |
| 01:17.05 | Todd_ | how much memory can be used on 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:17.22 | pipeline | kanzure: Well, there you have it. f-spot and digikam are very nice photo organizers that do slideshows |
| 01:17.26 | pipeline | Todd_: 64G, IIRC |
| 01:17.28 | kanzure | thanks |
| 01:17.28 | dvs | Todd_: 64GB |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | kanzure: i undersatnd that .. but like .. web or what? |
| 01:17.35 | Todd_ | thanks |
| 01:17.45 | mdadm | how do i give a user called goo (not root) to write to /var/run/lighttpd.pid ? without maybe giving him access to write anything else? goo is the webserver user |
| 01:17.45 | kanzure | abrotman: Nah, just for my use. |
| 01:17.47 | pipeline | abrotman: He just wants a porn browser, I guess |
| 01:17.53 | kanzure | pipeline: Shhh. |
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| 01:18.18 | Overand | ysothoth: all my traffic goes over an SSH tunnel |
| 01:18.19 | kanzure | pipeline: Actually, I have about a gig of photos that needs a quick way to view, Konqueror only thumbnailerizes so well anyway.. |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | pipeline: heh |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | i htouhgt eog did it ... |
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| 01:18.47 | pipeline | abrotman, kanzure: Actually, it just occurred to me that f-spot would make a great porn browser. Here I was using it to organize family photos when I could have been downloading and organizing filth. |
| 01:18.53 | plagerism | is there an easy way to reinstall the base system including system configuration files?? |
| 01:18.56 | Overand | this has now happened three times |
| 01:19.00 | Overand | "Corrupted MAC on input." |
| 01:19.03 | Overand | in the past several minutes. |
| 01:19.05 | dli | kanzure, feh gqview |
| 01:19.08 | pipeline | plagerism: dpkg-reconfigure base-config ? |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | pipeline: new tag "boobs are awesome!" |
| 01:19.12 | kanzure | apt-cache won't find fspot .. gasp |
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| 01:19.17 | kanzure | nevermind |
| 01:19.17 | pipeline | kanzure: f-spot |
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| 01:19.39 | DoktorTomoe | No simple way of getting JDBC under Debian Sid? |
| 01:19.40 | kanzure | dli: gqview? How's that compare to f-spot? |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | kanzure: which version of debian are you running? |
| 01:19.52 | kanzure | abrotman: I'm not, I'm using Knoppix. |
| 01:19.54 | dli | kanzure, don't know f-spot |
| 01:20.02 | dvs | DoktorTomoe: What do you mean? Installing java? |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | !info f-spot |
| 01:20.07 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 498 kB, Installed size: 1836 kB |
| 01:20.19 | mdadm | does that mean i need to give goo access to /var/run |
| 01:20.22 | mdadm | ? |
| 01:20.23 | DoktorTomoe | dvs: actually, i *have* installes java. OOoB2 asks anyways |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | kanzure: you might do better to ask #kde .. since knoppix runs kde |
| 01:20.32 | kanzure | !info gqview |
| 01:20.35 | dpkg | gqview: (A simple image viewer using GTK+), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.4.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 621 kB, Installed size: 1932 kB |
| 01:20.47 | kanzure | abrotman: I run gnome too. (Although, niehter, I'm using flux right now) |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | kanzure: and you know of course that knoppix is not debian? |
| 01:21.07 | kanzure | it's based off of debian afaik |
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| 01:21.12 | ysothoth | oh boy |
| 01:21.15 | kanzure | no? |
| 01:21.20 | ysothoth | kanzure: You are in the wrong channel :) |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | kanzure: and it is .. doesn't make it debian :) |
| 01:21.32 | pipeline | kanzure: You should install debian sarge. It's not as bad as you may expect. |
| 01:21.36 | kanzure | abrotman: Bah! One day we won't need no stinkin distros |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | kanzure: and how is that? |
| 01:21.52 | pipeline | kanzure: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:21.54 | kanzure | brb |
| 01:21.59 | pipeline | kanzure: Yes, on that day, there will only be Debian. |
| 01:22.11 | wintix | heh |
| 01:22.35 | wintix | many distros are ok. |
| 01:22.40 | Darien | 'In the grim future of Linux, there is only apt.' |
| 01:22.46 | kanzure | Darien: Or yumm. |
| 01:22.50 | ysothoth | hehe |
| 01:22.52 | pipeline | kanzure: No, only apt. |
| 01:22.54 | wintix | if there is only one there is no need to improve it.. |
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| 01:22.55 | kanzure | fine |
| 01:22.57 | ysothoth | Choice is good. even crappy choices :) |
| 01:22.58 | kanzure | apt it is |
| 01:22.59 | Darien | yum is redhat, and also is compeltely terrible |
| 01:23.02 | pollywog | maher: I think I fixed it |
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| 01:23.10 | kanzure | Darien: i've never tried yum, actually. |
| 01:23.15 | Darien | it's terrible |
| 01:23.15 | mdadm | can anyone help me with a permissions question? |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | Darien: if you don't like apt .. why are you here? |
| 01:23.19 | pollywog | almost sure I fixed it |
| 01:23.31 | kanzure | apt works wonders for me |
| 01:23.32 | dvs | mdadm: Do you have permission to ask the question? |
| 01:23.35 | Darien | abrotman: I think you misread what I'm saying ;) |
| 01:23.37 | maher | pollywog: what did you do |
| 01:23.44 | mdadm | dvs: thats a good one :).. |
| 01:23.51 | mdadm | dvs: you volunteering? :) |
| 01:23.59 | wintix | hehe.. @ permission |
| 01:24.01 | ysothoth | mdadm - You don't need to write to /var/run/thttpd.pid that's only for the startup script... if you are running it to serve warez from your home dir you don't need to write to /var/run |
| 01:24.03 | dvs | mdadm: Ask away and we'll see. |
| 01:24.08 | Darien | I've been using apt since it first hit the mirrors, trust me, I love it |
| 01:24.10 | pollywog | yes :) |
| 01:24.20 | ysothoth | mdadm - Please read the f'ing documentation |
| 01:24.21 | pollywog | I copied the status file to a different place |
| 01:24.32 | mdadm | ysothoth: it aint in there ... |
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| 01:24.40 | pollywog | remember I told you I had to install dokg from a tarball |
| 01:24.59 | pollywog | so I remembered that the tarball dpkg would look in a different place for status |
| 01:25.12 | kanzure | thanks guys. =] |
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| 01:25.18 | mdadm | dvs: i have this webserver lighttpd..that i am running as user goo... and when goo runs lighttpd it needs to write /var/run/lighttpd.pid |
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| 01:25.38 | pollywog | yes it does all appear to be fixed |
| 01:25.39 | ysothoth | No it DOESN"T you pinhead you didn't read the docs and configured it wrong |
| 01:25.43 | pollywog | thanks |
| 01:25.46 | maher | pollywog: cool |
| 01:25.52 | mdadm | dvs: but it doesnt have permission..it only needs to write it the first time...but if my lighttpd dies...i have this thing called runit that calls it up again..and so it needs to write the same pid file again |
| 01:26.23 | mdadm | ysothoth: you mean the lighttpd docs? |
| 01:26.46 | gcbirzan | It broke mkinitrd! |
| 01:27.06 | ysothoth | mdadm: Yes those docs. |
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| 01:27.16 | wintix | mmmm ... bleeding edges.. ;) |
| 01:27.17 | gcbirzan | Well, actually, I'm not sure when it broke stuff, but my ldd on experimental doesn't put a => after /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 01:27.38 | mdadm | ysothoth: ok ill take another look... |
| 01:28.10 | poonj | gnome is pretty damn good |
| 01:28.23 | mdadm | ysothoth: you mean set server.pid-file ? |
| 01:28.24 | mathieu_ | hi, how am i supposed to add a comment to a bug report? |
| 01:28.31 | mathieu_ | (bugs.debian.org) |
| 01:28.37 | mdadm | ysotho: i got it ..good call..strange didnt see it for the last 2 hours :) |
| 01:28.43 | gcbirzan | mathieu_: Mail BUGID@bugs.debian.org |
| 01:28.49 | ysothoth | mdadm: Make sense now? |
| 01:28.56 | mathieu_ | gcbirzan, thx |
| 01:29.06 | mdadm | ysothoth: yah...this stuff is wild...:). |
| 01:29.21 | mdadm | ysothoth: thanks for the call...no need to be superroot:) |
| 01:29.22 | ysothoth | mdadm: var is for startup scripts and other stuff starting up as root |
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| 01:31.34 | abrotman | gcbirzan: don't bitch . .that's why it's called experimental |
| 01:32.50 | gcbirzan | abrotman: I know, I'm just curious how come nobody noticed it thusfar. |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | gcbirzan: ask the maintainer |
| 01:33.06 | gcbirzan | abrotman: libc6 2.3.4 has been around since the 18th of March |
| 01:33.08 | pollywog | is the portmapper needed if one is not using NFS? |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | gcbirzan: but you can't file a bug afaik |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | pollywog: you'll know if you need it .. if not .. remove it |
| 01:33.31 | moebus | hi, i am new on debian and i ve some difficulties to install a graphical interface in debian, can someone help me ? |
| 01:33.31 | gcbirzan | abrotman: There's an 'experimental' tag. |
| 01:33.47 | gcbirzan | moebus: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:33.59 | moebus | thanks i ll try it :) |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | gcbirzan: ah .. ok |
| 01:34.19 | pollywog | I usually disable it, I have not bee able to remove it because another package depends on it so I disable it |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | pollywog: what other package depends on it? |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | moebus: which gui would you like? |
| 01:34.46 | mdadm | ysothoth: you know tho..i was looking in /var/run and i see postgres has its own subdir in there....thats normal? |
| 01:34.52 | pollywog | fam depends on portmap. |
| 01:34.52 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.58 | pollywog | I think I need fam |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | do you use nfs? |
| 01:35.03 | pollywog | no |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | you don't need fam ... |
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| 01:35.05 | moebus | mmm.. what is a gui? |
| 01:35.06 | pollywog | no nfs |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | but gnome requires it |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | the gnome metapackage anyways |
| 01:35.17 | pollywog | corrext |
| 01:35.34 | DuckTales | rox isn't in the debian sarge repositories for apt-get? |
| 01:35.34 | pollywog | so I just diable it |
| 01:35.40 | DuckTales | THe file manager. |
| 01:35.42 | pollywog | disable |
| 01:35.43 | rob^ | moebus, Graphical User Interface. |
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| 01:36.04 | moebus | <abrotman> : so i think KDE is ok for me |
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| 01:36.40 | wintix | moebus: kde is ok for beginners. |
| 01:36.46 | rixth | Can someone help me debug a shell script? (it's very small), in #rixth |
| 01:36.57 | pipeline | DuckTales: It is. |
| 01:37.01 | moebus | <wintix> : that sounds good for me |
| 01:37.44 | wintix | moebus: but its big and maybe a bit slow on low-class-pcs |
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| 01:38.17 | wintix | moebus: but get it, gain some experience and switch tu fluxbox :) |
| 01:38.23 | moebus | <wintix> : you are right, i ve try x-windows too and it s faster than kde |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | moebus: sarge? |
| 01:38.46 | pipeline | moebus, wintix: What applications can you run on your fluxbox desktop without ending up loading 80M of libraries from gnome or KDE? |
| 01:39.02 | pipeline | moebus, wintix: Welcome to 1999: Minimalist bullshit is dead. |
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| 01:39.08 | moebus | abrotman : "sarge" what does it mean? |
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| 01:39.22 | abrotman | moebus: are you using debian or some derivative? |
| 01:39.32 | wintix | pipeline: firefox, thunderbird, gaim, aterm and xmms. |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | gaim? |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | hah |
| 01:39.43 | pipeline | wintix: All of those programs require huge numbers of gnome libraries. |
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| 01:39.46 | abrotman | !depends gaim |
| 01:39.48 | moebus | abrotman : now i am on fedora3 but i want to explore another distribution |
| 01:39.49 | dpkg | gaim: depends on gaim-data (= 1:1.2.0-2), libao2 (>= 0.8.6), libaspell15 (>= 0.60), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcrypt11, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.8-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 01:39.52 | rob^ | moebus, check out debian.org and do some reading |
| 01:39.53 | pipeline | wintix: You've loaded an entire gnome environment, and you're not using it. |
| 01:40.10 | wintix | pipeline: there are people who like minimalistic style. and a small window manager. |
| 01:40.26 | rob^ | wintix, such as? |
| 01:40.28 | Todd_ | its not minimal, gnome is very cool |
| 01:40.28 | moebus | rob^ : i am trying, that s why i am here |
| 01:40.40 | wintix | fluxbox is minimal. |
| 01:40.43 | pipeline | wintix: Yeah, whatever. Fluxbox is a flavor-of-the-week. Ratpoison is minimalist -- fluxbox is just worthless. |
| 01:41.07 | pipeline | It's a pale imitation of superior window managers (e.g. sawfish, kwin) |
| 01:41.09 | wintix | pipeline: if you think so. you won't have to use it. |
| 01:41.11 | rob^ | moebus, but asking people questions that can easily be answered by you doing a little reading is annoying |
| 01:41.19 | Todd_ | i must of missed that part |
| 01:41.28 | caphuso | pipeline: which of the programs require gnome? |
| 01:41.29 | rob^ | how do you think we learnt? |
| 01:41.29 | pipeline | wintix: Yes, but I also don't want to hear you recommend it to others as the l33t choice that all skilled users need. |
| 01:41.39 | moebus | all-we-talked-to-me : i need to reboot to try the apt-get command |
| 01:41.42 | pipeline | caphuso: Firefox, gaim, thunderbird, and xmms all load various gnome libraries. |
| 01:41.48 | caphuso | pipeline: name one |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't think xmms does :) |
| 01:41.58 | pipeline | caphuso: libpango, ATK, GTK and the attending overhead. |
| 01:42.04 | pipeline | abrotman: xmms is a GTK 1.2 program. |
| 01:42.26 | pipeline | caphuso: A number of gaim plugins are also gnome-enabled, but they're split into a second package on Debian, IIRC |
| 01:42.28 | moebus | rob^ : sorry i do my best |
| 01:42.29 | caphuso | pipeline: yes, but none of those start anything even closely resembling a "gnome environment" |
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| 01:42.58 | pipeline | caphuso: Once you have gconf runnning and a full set of GTK libraries in memory, you're not that far off. |
| 01:43.07 | caphuso | pipeline: you can't, AFAIK, start a gnome environment without having libgnome32 installed |
| 01:43.33 | caphuso | pipeline: yes, you are |
| 01:43.56 | pipeline | caphuso: That's true, you could, in theory, run firefox without the added gnome library to allow better file dialogues etc |
| 01:44.00 | wintix | pipeline: kde is ok for beginners. fluxbox is for people who want to get rid of a bloat window manager with superior functions which arent needed. |
| 01:44.10 | caphuso | pipeline: like the one in debian, you mean? |
| 01:44.24 | pipeline | caphuso: Debian splits the nice things into a second package. |
| 01:44.31 | caphuso | pipeline: you're talking out of your ass |
| 01:44.36 | pipeline | wintix: I was pitching the argument that "bloat" is pretty meaningless when you're using firefox and thunderbird. |
| 01:44.41 | Darien | can anyone think of a good reason to want a peer-to-peer file sharing application that relies on a network infrastructure? e.g. Bittorrent has lots of legit uses, but what about gnutella for example? |
| 01:44.55 | caphuso | wintix: just don't listen to pipeline, he's wrong |
| 01:44.58 | pipeline | caphuso: Recommends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support (= 0.99+1.0RC1-2) |
| 01:45.11 | caphuso | pipeline: so, just don't install that gnome crap and you're good |
| 01:45.12 | wintix | caphuso: yep. |
| 01:45.35 | pipeline | caphuso, wintix: "Good" is pretty relative. Firefox alone uses more memory than an entire KDE environment with a non-trivial number of pages open :| |
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| 01:45.55 | pipeline | caphuso, wintix: As a gnome zealot, I can't admit that Konqueror might be a reasonable choice as a browser *shifty eyes* |
| 01:45.56 | Darien | not to mention KDE is surprisingly responsive |
| 01:46.38 | karsten | "Hey, what\u2019s going on here? We\u2019ve given our whole lives to religion and to prayer and to God." |
| 01:46.42 | karsten | And Peter said, "Listen, that man is a Chicago cab driver and he has scared the hell out of more people than the three of you put together!" |
| 01:46.49 | karsten | Doh.! |
| 01:47.12 | karsten | </Wrong channel> |
| 01:47.19 | wintix | ... |
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| 01:48.11 | addNtoX | karsten: finish the joke man |
| 01:48.25 | blahdeblah | He did |
| 01:48.30 | wintix | the shit with kde and gnome and so is that if you want just ONE single aplication, you have to install dozens of libraries and shit. just for one aplication. |
| 01:48.36 | addNtoX | oh :) |
| 01:48.47 | blahdeblah | Is there a #advocacy or #holywar this KDE vs GNOME debate can happen in? :-) |
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| 01:49.05 | wintix | its a kde and gnome vs fluxbox ;) |
| 01:49.07 | Darien | #noonecareswhatyouthinkaboutmydesktopenvironment |
| 01:49.08 | rob^ | heh |
| 01:49.27 | wintix | ^^ |
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| 01:49.30 | caphuso | wintix: that's for reducing bloat |
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| 01:50.07 | wintix | caphuso: can u explain that? |
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| 01:50.22 | pipeline | In the end, you have three choices: Run KDE apps, run Gnome apps, run both at the same time. In any case, you would have to be a masochist to get by with a featureless desktop. |
| 01:50.26 | rob^ | omg someone actually uses chatzilla |
| 01:50.44 | karsten | addNtoX: That *was* the punchline ;-) |
| 01:50.45 | wintix | rob^: hehe |
| 01:50.56 | karsten | addNtoX: but if you insist: http://www.csec.org/csec/sermon/Catoir_4105.htm |
| 01:51.02 | caphuso | wintix: it's so that you can install two pieces of software which share the underlying stuff instead of implementing it themselves independently from each other |
| 01:51.43 | wintix | caphuso: but there are people who youst dont want to use the entire kde environment.. |
| 01:51.44 | abrotman | karsten: i sent michael dean your home address :) |
| 01:51.52 | caphuso | wintix: well, they're free to not to |
| 01:51.54 | karsten | abrotman: Thank you kindly sire. |
| 01:51.54 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 01:51.58 | blahdeblah | pipeline: "Recommends: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support" - what does that actually do? |
| 01:52.00 | karsten | abrotman: Have the pipe bombs arrived yet? |
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| 01:52.04 | poonj | does cdrecord work for 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 01:52.11 | wintix | poonj: yep. |
| 01:52.15 | poonj | I just read a message of it having issues |
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| 01:52.17 | karsten | poonj: Yes. |
| 01:52.20 | poonj | okay |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | karsten: i did check that list archive again .. i didn't see any response from him about doug's email |
| 01:52.57 | blahdeblah | poonj: You have to change the way you do it if you've previously used ide-scsi |
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| 01:53.15 | poonj | is there a new howto on setting it up? |
| 01:53.21 | green_earz | poonj: was a problem with 2.6.8 as only being able to burn as root. but thats shorted now |
| 01:53.31 | poonj | I am reading the howto on tldp |
| 01:53.35 | pipeline | blahdeblah: "recommends" are dependencies that aren't actually required for the program to function. Things that make it more useful. |
| 01:53.36 | karsten | abrotman: Nope. He did post a null message in response to mine. And some other commentary about something...school fundraising. |
| 01:53.54 | pipeline | poonj: There are all sorts of issues, but it certainly works. |
| 01:54.01 | Covener | poonj: just let ide-cd find it like any other cdrom drive. then cdrecord dev=ATA -scanbus, as root |
| 01:54.08 | caphuso | not that firefox being able to open files over ssh is something useful... |
| 01:54.11 | blahdeblah | pipeline: No, i mean what does mozilla-firefox-gnome-support do |
| 01:54.12 | poonj | pipeline: okay |
| 01:54.19 | poonj | I just need to burn an ISO |
| 01:54.27 | pipeline | blahdeblah: I think it fixes the file dialogues. I don't know, I don't use firefox. |
| 01:54.37 | wintix | does someone know a good debian mailing list? |
| 01:54.41 | Darien | .. |
| 01:54.48 | Darien | http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 01:54.59 | Darien | I don't even want to know how many are there |
| 01:55.13 | blahdeblah | wintix: debian-user@debian.org has a lot of people == plenty of: good info, flaming, noise |
| 01:55.13 | wintix | hm |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | karsten: he's really a bsd freak eh? |
| 01:55.24 | blahdeblah | s/debian.org/lists.debian.org/ ? |
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| 01:55.55 | wintix | thx Darien, blahdeblah |
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| 01:56.53 | green_earz | wintix: the users mailing can be very usfull but about 250 mails a day |
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| 01:57.01 | karsten | abrotman: s/bsd/ |
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| 01:57.13 | hermyl | netstat is showing port 2202 for a label called webcache, I have eaccelator for php, is there a tool to see what file is being used for a port? |
| 01:57.30 | caphuso | hermyl: lsof -i :2202 |
| 01:57.48 | Darien | netstat -pan | grep LISTEN (as root) |
| 01:57.53 | karsten | hermyl: lsof |
| 01:57.54 | blahdeblah | hermyl: netstat -tpln / -upln is also useful |
| 01:58.23 | blahdeblah | Darien: -l is more efficient than grep LISTEN :-) |
| 01:59.37 | Darien | blahdeblah: yeah, I haven't had a chance to learn netstat as well as I should :) |
| 01:59.51 | Darien | so I just say stupid stuff on IRC until someone tells me what I need to know :p |
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| 02:00.14 | hermyl | ok thanks |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
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| 02:04.24 | abrotman | i like fuser :) |
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| 02:04.44 | karsten | abrotman: oil or powder? |
| 02:04.53 | blahdeblah | Darien: works for me too. ;-) |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | karsten: oil duh :) |
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| 02:09.38 | wintix | gotta go. good night. |
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| 02:12.34 | mithro | how does one tell apt which distro to prefer? |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | mithro: vi |
| 02:12.52 | karsten | mithro: pinning. |
| 02:12.57 | rob^ | hahaha |
| 02:12.58 | sky0 | Any users of "mnogosearch" present? Got a question on the "srvinfo" table structure. |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | mithro: you mean stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 02:13.02 | karsten | !tell mithro about pinning. |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | woody/sarge/sid ? |
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| 02:13.29 | karsten | mithro: You've got multiple archives specified and you want to have one take precedence? |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | or he asks a question and runs like hell! |
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| 02:14.31 | tommyc | hello all |
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| 02:15.09 | tommyc | hello Nurbs |
| 02:15.28 | mithro | thanks |
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| 02:17.23 | douglas | hey .. will typical webalizer-like programs automatically untargzip old access logs or do I need to do it manually |
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| 02:17.56 | abrotman | douglas: webalizer like? |
| 02:18.17 | douglas | ok webalizer itself |
| 02:18.18 | karsten | abrotman: That's the new, like, Valley Webalizer. |
| 02:18.27 | caphuso | douglas: webalizer does |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | i wish there was a webazlier channel |
| 02:18.36 | douglas | thanks caph, there for me again |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | just that silly yahoo group |
| 02:18.42 | rob^ | bbl |
| 02:18.56 | douglas | sorry for the bad question but this is the spot for a quick answer to anything in the universe |
| 02:19.11 | karsten | douglas: 42 |
| 02:19.14 | tommyc | I have a problem with my modem port or something I think...I have finally found the port (ttyS1) it is located on and have IRQ set to 3 but Kppp never seems to get anywhere past "Initializing Modem..." it just freezes there and doesn't dial...I am assuming this is because its not detecting the modem...I cant get it to recognize (create) /dev/modem either...any ideas? Like I said |
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| 02:19.22 | abrotman | Grand Moff Tarken! |
| 02:19.23 | douglas | karsten: 42? |
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| 02:19.30 | karsten | !tell douglas about 42 |
| 02:19.43 | douglas | ohhhh |
| 02:19.58 | karsten | douglas: Your last name wouldn't happen to be adams, would it? |
| 02:20.04 | tommyc | I am pretty sure it is a problem with the detection process, but is there possibly something in BIOS i am overlooking? |
| 02:20.05 | douglas | that's some deep shit there karsten |
| 02:20.06 | douglas | no |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | err Tarkin |
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| 02:20.18 | karsten | douglas: Good. 'Coz if it was, I'd have to break it to you... |
| 02:20.22 | karsten | douglas: ....that you're dead. |
| 02:20.45 | douglas | well thanks for checking first |
| 02:20.57 | Looper | I'm thinking of installing debian, but the latest stable iso i can find is from like a few years ago... whats the deal with that! |
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| 02:21.09 | karsten | tommyc: grep -i ttys /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:21.20 | douglas | looper go for sarge |
| 02:21.21 | karsten | !tell Looper about stable |
| 02:21.25 | karsten | !tell Looper about releases |
| 02:21.33 | karsten | !tell Looper about di |
| 02:21.42 | green_earz | tommyc: have you got the dialup to run on pppconfig yet ? |
| 02:21.42 | tommyc | I enjoy Knoppix myself Looper its a breathe of fresh air after playing with DSL :) |
| 02:21.51 | karsten | Looper: Um. Ignore the linuxmafia reference. |
| 02:21.55 | douglas | or if you're into base jumping and crack try sid/testing |
| 02:22.07 | Looper | !tell karsten thanks :-) |
| 02:22.17 | karsten | Looper: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:22.19 | douglas | don't confuse the bot! |
| 02:22.24 | Looper | argh! |
| 02:22.44 | douglas | yes do what d-i reads |
| 02:22.52 | douglas | go for the business card iso |
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| 02:23.05 | karsten | Looper: ...d-i == sarge. Do a netinst if you've got broadband/dsl. |
| 02:23.07 | green_earz | tommyc: and have a look in kppp usr/share/doc there is some info there on its setup |
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| 02:23.12 | tommyc | i have green_earz but i dont know what i changed to cause it to do that it connected then of course just terminated the connection for some reason...But now it wont even dial up ...got me way tied up :) |
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| 02:23.36 | usynic | does the new sarge installer support eepro1000? |
| 02:23.42 | douglas | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 02:23.44 | douglas | that's all you need |
| 02:23.45 | tommyc | oooh nice thanks dude i will check it out right now |
| 02:23.47 | douglas | like 50 megs |
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| 02:23.50 | karsten | usynic: Yes. |
| 02:23.55 | nodcam | Hi! |
| 02:23.56 | usynic | halleluja |
| 02:24.16 | douglas | very impressive install warez relative to debian's past |
| 02:24.22 | tommyc | Actually its like 49.998 or something MB's ! :) |
| 02:24.31 | douglas | not quite as many fubars and snafus |
| 02:24.40 | usynic | this means I don't have to use fc3.... |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | you sohld always use the netinst .. the 110MB IMO anyways |
| 02:25.04 | Looper | sweet!, i'll give that a try... I'm new to linux/unix... will a 50mb distro not be a bit bare bones ? |
| 02:25.04 | usynic | karsten, does it have anything related to software raid, or will I need to do that myself? |
| 02:25.07 | nodcam | Why does kubuntu KDE take so long to boot? It shouldn't take THAT long! |
| 02:25.17 | abrotman | nodcam: wrong channel |
| 02:25.18 | pipeline | Looper: The 50M image has nothing but the installer and a shitload of network drivers |
| 02:25.24 | Looper | ahh right |
| 02:25.29 | tommyc | but so is MicroKnoppix, its like 51 or something...I played with it but its nice to have all the packages included too...thats why i prefer Knoppix (running 3.2 right now) |
| 02:25.40 | pipeline | tommyc: #knoppix |
| 02:25.44 | douglas | yeah unless you're willing to get the actual cd somehow net installing makes more sense because you download a much smaller iso and only download what you want on top of it, not a zillion things you don't need like geology and physics warez |
| 02:25.46 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 02:25.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 02:26.22 | abrotman | !based on debian =~ s/luck./luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro./ |
| 02:26.22 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 02:26.24 | tommyc | lol |
| 02:26.34 | tommyc | no doubtin! |
| 02:26.44 | Looper | 3 mins to go for the iso :) |
| 02:26.55 | DuckTales | !based on debian |
| 02:26.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 02:27.13 | tommyc | DSL is cool for speed of operation i must say... |
| 02:27.14 | douglas | also last time i used that iso it let you choose the kernel |
| 02:27.43 | Todd_ | hmmm, http://www.google.com/firefox |
| 02:28.04 | Looper | i'm installing it on a quite oldish laptop, with a weird PCMCIA card, i hope its supported |
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| 02:28.15 | tommyc | no body shoot me but Ubuntu is fun to play with a little bit too |
| 02:28.25 | abrotman | still wrong channel |
| 02:29.07 | tommyc | shit lets not get too clichy with our distros now :) |
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| 02:29.48 | karsten | usynic: Sec. |
| 02:29.54 | usynic | ok |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | tommyc: when you get to sit here all day and answer questions .. about things that aren't debian .. you will get sensitive too |
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| 02:30.14 | karsten | usynic: Um. eepro1000 is a gigabit NIC. Has *nothing* to do with RAID. |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | though .. i do volunteer i suppose |
| 02:30.34 | usynic | karsten, indeed. They were two separate questions. |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | why is my name so hard to spell out? |
| 02:30.43 | karsten | usynic: OK. I missed that. |
| 02:31.34 | karsten | usynic: Ah. AFAIC, yes, software RAID's included. There's a really excellent installation manual you want to be reading about now. |
| 02:32.04 | Looper | sarge-i386-businesscard.iso is only 30mb?! |
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| 02:32.12 | usynic | karsten, will do - I just wanted to make sure of those two things before I started. |
| 02:32.19 | karsten | Looper: Sounds about right. |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | use the 110MB |
| 02:32.47 | karsten | usynic: #debian-boot is the sarge installer support channel. Devs are typically there. |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | !tell usynic about ig |
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| 02:32.52 | karsten | abrotman: Why? |
| 02:33.12 | Looper | what will i gain from the 110mb version.. ? |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | karsten: if the NIC isn't supported .. you at least get a base install .. business card does no such thing |
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| 02:33.44 | Looper | ahh |
| 02:33.46 | karsten | abrotman: Point. |
| 02:33.54 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:33.55 | karsten | abrotman: ...or you do PLIP ;-) |
| 02:33.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:34.00 | karsten | !beer abrotman |
| 02:34.02 | abrotman | karsten: i suppose :) |
| 02:34.11 | FieldySnuts | @badger abrotman |
| 02:34.15 | Looper | well here goes, thanks for the help :) |
| 02:34.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts! |
| 02:34.20 | karsten | abrotman: How many GNOME developers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 02:34.21 | FieldySnuts | beh no ravenbird |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | karsten: three |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | err .. 42!? |
| 02:34.39 | FieldySnuts | belgium? |
| 02:34.46 | karsten | abrotman: We're actively debating this. |
| 02:34.46 | abrotman | Grand Moff Tarkin! |
| 02:35.00 | karsten | abrotman: Migues declares darkness the new standard.... |
| 02:35.11 | FieldySnuts | can't be any more than some UAW workers |
| 02:35.18 | karsten | abrotman: ...there's no gconf schema for lightbulbs.... |
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| 02:35.24 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | karsten: i suspect you would need one for the IG .. two to ignore it and bitch .. 4 to do the actual work .. 5 to rewire it to work correctly? |
| 02:35.39 | abrotman | IG is Interface guide :) |
| 02:35.40 | karsten | abrotman: ...only one, but they've got to bring the library into your house first. |
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| 02:36.00 | abrotman | karsten: i actually like gnome :) |
| 02:36.05 | FieldySnuts | at least 2 to apply the famous elite-arrogant touch |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ignore it and bitch guys :) |
| 02:36.22 | karsten | abrotman: And you're so close to perfect otherwise. |
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| 02:36.33 | abrotman | karsten: i'm well versed in blackbox too :) |
| 02:36.39 | karsten | abrotman: TMI. |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | karsten: such is necessity when you have a 486 :) |
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| 02:37.04 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. icewm works well too. |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | karsten: didn't exist then |
| 02:37.18 | karsten | abrotman: When was then? |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | karsten: we're talking like .. 1999 or so |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | i don't think icewm was around then |
| 02:37.38 | abrotman | maybe it was 98 |
| 02:37.54 | karsten | abrotman: Debian wmaker changelog goes to May, 1997. |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | i'm trying to remember the first time i installed on my 486 |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | karsten: icewm .. not wmaker |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | i know wmaker was there |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | i used it for a bit |
| 02:38.22 | karsten | I thought the boxes were newer than that.... |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | karsten: fluxbox and openbox are branches of blackbox that happened when blackbox stalled |
| 02:38.45 | karsten | abrotman: bbx == Apr 2000 |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | blackbox is older than that |
| 02:39.00 | karsten | abrotman: My first Linux WMs were twm/fvwm. _Not_ fvwm2. |
| 02:39.11 | karsten | abrotman: Read the changelog. |
| 02:39.24 | rixth | Is there any rough date when even a preview of Etch will be released? |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | karsten: http://freshmeat.net/projects/blackbox/ 1998 |
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| 02:39.44 | travisat | rixth: ummm, not really |
| 02:40.03 | rixth | One Sarge is done :) Who here think's it is ready? |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | karsten: i don't know when it entered debian |
| 02:40.13 | karsten | abrotman: OK. There was also Afterstep, which was originally an fvwm theme IIRC. |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | rixth: doesn't matter what you think :) |
| 02:40.24 | karsten | abrotman: April, 2000. |
| 02:40.26 | rixth | abrotman, heh heh, true |
| 02:40.39 | abrotman | karsten: and i know there was an older version of blackbox in debian .. |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | karsten: there was the .5x packages for a while |
| 02:41.13 | travisat | I thought blackbox started back in like 1997 |
| 02:41.15 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | travisat: i can't remember .. the site from Austin LUG is gone afaik |
| 02:41.26 | Gnea | that doesn't matter |
| 02:41.47 | Gnea | didn't blackbox become liteflux or something? |
| 02:41.52 | travisat | Gnea: no |
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| 02:42.08 | travisat | Gnea: blackbox still exists as blackbox |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | Gnea: it branched .. it stalled for a while when the author went to work or something |
| 02:42.26 | karsten | Gnea: There's {black,open,flux}box. At least. |
| 02:42.38 | travisat | flux being the best of thost |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | no |
| 02:42.50 | travisat | yyes |
| 02:42.51 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:42.51 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 02:42.57 | Gnea | yeah i like fluxbox |
| 02:43.04 | Gnea | blackbox definately rules |
| 02:43.13 | travisat | prefer fvwm2 |
| 02:43.17 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:43.19 | Gnea | heh |
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| 02:43.29 | Gnea | fvwm2 was what i was using before i got E to compile |
| 02:43.39 | rixth | Here's an X-Chat question, I just reinstalled Sarge yesterday, before my reinstall, /msg to me woudl jsut show up in the main what window with >dpkg< by user. It does not do that anymore, now it opens up a new tab. How can I change it back? I've been though the prefs a couple of times and hav'n tfound it |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | no more archive.debian.org ? |
| 02:43.42 | travisat | I was using E before I touched fvwm |
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| 02:44.18 | abrotman | rixth: #xchat .. but check the .. Tabs menu i htnik it is |
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| 02:44.50 | Gnea | travisat: i saw screenshots of E13 back in the day |
| 02:44.55 | Gnea | that and gimp |
| 02:44.59 | Gnea | and it made me realize |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | where's that .. list of the status of the debian servers? |
| 02:45.17 | Gnea | there was more to linux than just some free code and a command line |
| 02:45.20 | mtl514 | I'd like to know which window manager is used in Movies that use computers :) like Tomb Raider. |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | mtl514: huh? |
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| 02:45.37 | abrotman | there's a whole website devoted to that |
| 02:45.43 | Gnea | mtl514: there are so many |
| 02:45.44 | abrotman | !tell rixth about poop |
| 02:45.45 | mtl514 | abrotman, really :) |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | rixth: fixed? |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | mtl514: yes |
| 02:46.01 | rixth | Nope. |
| 02:46.03 | Gnea | mtl514: but they were using gnome in antitrust |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | rixth: then ask #xchat |
| 02:46.29 | karsten | mtl514: A lot of that stuff is Tk/Tcl. Not sure about TR specifically. Got stills? |
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| 02:47.04 | rixth | abrotman, would you be as nice to msg me waht I originally posted> |
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| 02:48.25 | mtl514 | It would be great for every new movie to make the themes avaiable online :) |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | i just found debianlinux.net .. wtf |
| 02:48.40 | Gnea | LOL |
| 02:48.44 | DuckTales | No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found |
| 02:48.49 | DuckTales | What is the apt-get name for that |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
| 02:48.53 | DuckTales | apt-cache didn't help me. |
| 02:49.00 | Gnea | mtl514: smoke some more crack, it'll be ok |
| 02:49.01 | abrotman | !tell DuckTales about search |
| 02:49.10 | DuckTales | DuckTales apt-cache didn't help me. |
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| 02:49.21 | abrotman | !find libgnomeui-2.0 sarge |
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| 02:49.32 | travisat | DuckTales: libgnomeui-0,dev,common |
| 02:49.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgnomeui-2.0' (2): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libgnomeui-2.0.pc) in libdevel/libgnomeui-dev ;; (/usr/share/locale/af/LC_MESSAGES/libgnomeui-2.0.mo, /usr/share/locale/am/LC_MESSAGES/libgnomeui-2.0.mo, /usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/libgnomeui-2.0.mo) in libs/libgnomeui-common. |
| 02:49.34 | doub | hi there |
| 02:49.37 | mtl514 | abrotman, where can i find the site :) |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | !tell rixth about blah |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | mtl514: google . i don't remember it offhand |
| 02:49.49 | michal_ | how can I stop gcc from failing to compile due to numerous "attempt to use poisoned ***" errors? |
| 02:50.02 | mtl514 | gnea do you know a site where? |
| 02:50.09 | Gnea | mtl514: no |
| 02:50.15 | rixth | Still no go. #xchat is dead |
| 02:50.17 | Gnea | abrotman: oh man, that site SUCKS |
| 02:50.27 | mtl514 | gnea come on you must know |
| 02:50.34 | Gnea | mtl514: i don't. |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | Gnea: try debianlinux.net/debian.html |
| 02:50.47 | aeyakovenko | does anyone know if there is an install guide some where to install debian on a usb hard drive? |
| 02:50.55 | Gnea | mtl514: movies aren't real and thus hold no real basis for what there is. |
| 02:51.08 | mtl514 | gnea it's the props i want |
| 02:51.24 | Gnea | mtl514: nobody's gonna give you props until you do something cool to deserve them. |
| 02:51.40 | mtl514 | gnea it's just the theme |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | aeyakovenko: on the drive .. or from the drive? |
| 02:51.43 | Gnea | right. |
| 02:51.44 | Gnea | :) |
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| 02:52.07 | aeyakovenko | abrotman, on the drive, i have a usb hard drive i want to use as a portable linux box |
| 02:52.08 | doub | aeyakovenko: except for size and booting issues, it's the same as a regular one |
| 02:52.23 | rixth | Supposedly the Plextor ConvertX hardware DivX, MPEG encoder works with Linux (with Plextor supplied drivers) does anyone have any experience with it? |
| 02:53.34 | aeyakovenko | doub, well i keep getting a kernel panic |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | aeyakovenko: how do you know the machine will be able to boot from usb? |
| 02:53.56 | aeyakovenko | abrotman, yea |
| 02:54.11 | doub | aeyakovenko: what kind of ? about unavailable root fs ? |
| 02:54.16 | aeyakovenko | doub, yep |
| 02:54.27 | doub | aeyakovenko: what kernel are you using ? |
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| 02:54.44 | cafuego | rixth: A decent CPU these daysd encodes at at least 2x play speed, invest in a decent cpu and not silly hardware. |
| 02:54.51 | _joey | How do I install alsa on debian sarge with 2.4.27 kernel? |
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| 02:55.04 | cafuego | rixth: hint: Athlon64's run pretty cool. |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | _joey: apt-get install alsa? |
| 02:55.10 | aeyakovenko | doub, sarge 2.4 kernel, i think... this is my first debian install |
| 02:55.10 | Gnea | _joey: use apt-get |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | but easier to use 2.6 afaik .. esp with alsa |
| 02:55.43 | Gnea | yeah true, 2.4 kernels leave an icky taste in my mouth |
| 02:55.47 | Gnea | like cigarettes |
| 02:56.16 | Gnea | hey now |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | karsten: http://web.archive.org/web/19991128173834/http://blackbox.alug.org/ |
| 02:56.21 | Gnea | 2.0.33 |
| 02:56.25 | Gnea | i compiled that shit |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | karsten: you have no idea how much research that took :) |
| 02:56.41 | Gnea | cafuego: piss off a tree branch! #) |
| 02:56.44 | mtl514 | how about a gimp based ms cig box png for ad's :) |
| 02:56.57 | cafuego | Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586 |
| 02:57.04 | Gnea | wow |
| 02:57.17 | Gnea | cafuego: you are a true sadist. |
| 02:57.22 | cafuego | Gnea: Why? |
| 02:57.35 | Gnea | not many people still run 2.0 kernels |
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| 02:57.42 | Gnea | i'm still trying to figure out why... |
| 02:57.47 | cafuego | Gnea: If there's no reason to upgrade. |
| 02:57.57 | cafuego | Gnea: It also runs libc5. |
| 02:58.01 | Gnea | heh |
| 02:58.02 | Gnea | true |
| 02:58.06 | cafuego | Slack 3 machine |
| 02:58.10 | Gnea | yeah i was just thinking of that |
| 02:58.11 | Gnea | dude |
| 02:58.18 | Gnea | slack 3 was one of the BEST slacks |
| 02:58.25 | Gnea | 3.7 especially |
| 02:58.31 | cafuego | Installed in 1995 |
| 02:58.34 | cafuego | via NFS |
| 02:58.36 | Gnea | unf |
| 02:58.39 | Gnea | UNF |
| 02:58.44 | cafuego | (haha, netinst, how quaint) ;-) |
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| 02:58.57 | Gnea | when NFS was an accepted internet protocol ;) |
| 02:58.58 | _joey | hmm |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | cafuego: do you know the page with the statuses of the debian servers? .. like alioth and raff etc ? |
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| 02:59.26 | _joey | to install alsa drivers using apt will install new kernel image |
| 02:59.27 | Gnea | !alsa |
| 02:59.28 | dpkg | well, alsa is On Sarge, when using a debian 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 02:59.34 | _joey | I just want the drivers |
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| 02:59.53 | cafuego | Well, it's been tarball-updated to the latest apache, pppoe and ssh, of coruse. |
| 02:59.58 | Gnea | but you need more than just the drivers in order to use alsa |
| 03:00.07 | _joey | and new bootloader |
| 03:00.09 | _joey | christ |
| 03:00.11 | Gnea | _joey: probably best bet is to use a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:00.16 | Gnea | !grub |
| 03:00.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 03:00.18 | Murphy | does anyone know how to make KDE the default as opposed to Gnome ? |
| 03:00.37 | caphuso | Murphy: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 03:00.49 | abrotman | cafuego: ignore ..i found it |
| 03:00.51 | _joey | Murphy write kdestart in ~/.xinitrc and run startx |
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| 03:01.05 | doub | what's the benefit of alsa for the average user ? |
| 03:01.06 | Gnea | who the hell uses startx |
| 03:01.12 | _joey | me |
| 03:01.17 | Gnea | why |
| 03:01.20 | rixth | Gnea, I do. |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | weirdos |
| 03:01.25 | _joey | because |
| 03:01.25 | cafuego | abrotman: That's good, coz I didn't know anyway <heh> |
| 03:01.32 | doub | Gnea: so do i |
| 03:01.35 | travisat | Gnea: what do you use? |
| 03:01.39 | Gnea | because you don't know the alternatives? |
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| 03:01.43 | Gnea | GDM or Entrance |
| 03:01.49 | caphuso | Gnea: because the alternatives suck |
| 03:01.52 | rixth | Gnea, so I can get to a command line if needed. It's pratically no more typing required. |
| 03:01.56 | travisat | who uses gdm. |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | cafuego: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 03:02.02 | travisat | bleh |
| 03:02.08 | rixth | If I dont use startx I use GDM. |
| 03:02.10 | Gnea | caphuso: leave cafuego's mom out of this |
| 03:02.13 | rixth | Who uses XDM |
| 03:02.25 | Gnea | actually |
| 03:02.26 | travisat | kdm is even worser |
| 03:02.29 | Gnea | friend of mine uses XDM |
| 03:02.36 | sussudio | "worser" isn't a word |
| 03:02.43 | travisat | so |
| 03:02.45 | Gnea | it's always been more fun to configure, but equally as annoying :)P |
| 03:02.50 | mtl514 | doub alsa supports multiple channels |
| 03:02.55 | Gnea | startx actually rocks |
| 03:02.57 | Gnea | i used to use it |
| 03:03.01 | abrotman | travisat: so .. you're an idiot :) |
| 03:03.07 | travisat | abrotman: so? |
| 03:03.09 | caphuso | everything's so easy when you use startx |
| 03:03.13 | cafuego | abrotman: That's the deadful stability record |
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| 03:03.19 | holo | hiz |
| 03:03.19 | cafuego | s/the/a/ |
| 03:03.20 | Gnea | caphuso: i like X |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | cafuego: dreadful ? |
| 03:03.31 | caphuso | no messing because of "uh, why aren't my environment variables properly set?" |
| 03:03.32 | abrotman | deadful too :) |
| 03:03.35 | Gnea | just gimme a grey screen with an 'x' cursor |
| 03:03.37 | Gnea | bam |
| 03:03.37 | doub | what's the point to all these polls ? you have a problem, or you want to do something. you have several options, you choose the right one for your situation |
| 03:03.38 | cafuego | abrotman: Bunch of boxes with dead disks. |
| 03:03.42 | Gnea | that's all anyone should ever need |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | cafuego: i just want raff .. it's archive.debian.org |
| 03:03.46 | Gnea | like 640k of headaches |
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| 03:04.06 | travisat | that damn grey screen makes my eyes hurt so bad I close them |
| 03:04.28 | doub | xdm is good for cases where you don't want dozens of libraries and systems installed |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | cafuego: it would be nice if they would list the aliases for the boxes |
| 03:04.28 | doub | gdm is good for eye candy |
| 03:04.28 | holo | http://www.pastebin.com/262830 <-- this script has a severe problem, next to every environment variable that is a directory it assumes a tralling "/" so if a directory is next to it, it will show "//" |
| 03:04.28 | travisat | using X with your eyes closed is difficult |
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| 03:04.28 | holo | how do i solve this? |
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| 03:04.42 | abrotman | holo: wrong channel? |
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| 03:04.46 | abrotman | holo: #php ? |
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| 03:04.50 | holo | abrotman, ok |
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| 03:05.04 | abrotman | holo: oh wait |
| 03:05.06 | rixth | startx, is fucntional, you login at a text prompt, do anything you need to before starting x, type startx and boom, your logged in to Gnome. |
| 03:05.09 | abrotman | holo: i'm sorry .. not #php |
| 03:05.16 | holo | abrotman, but this is just bash scriting :s |
| 03:05.21 | travisat | #bash |
| 03:05.27 | holo | lol, ya |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | holo: yes .. i see the <?php at the beginning . thought it was PHP |
| 03:05.42 | doub | travisat: if that's a reason not to use xdm, it's a bad one. xsetroot is your friend |
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| 03:05.48 | holo | nope abrotman that is what pastebin puts in every post |
| 03:05.52 | holo | dunno why |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | holo: and // isn't that bad .. it will work just fine |
| 03:05.56 | caphuso | stupidity? |
| 03:06.02 | travisat | doub: I use Esetroot, but yeah good point |
| 03:07.25 | holo | abrotman, seems not, amuled is sharing every directory as being empty.. so i guess is becouse is not written correctly |
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| 03:07.41 | abrotman | isn't that good? |
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| 03:08.54 | holo | abrotman, no, they shouldn't be empty, becouse they aren't |
| 03:09.13 | holo | abrotman, were you taliking to me? |
| 03:09.14 | holo | :s |
| 03:09.49 | abrotman | holo: why would you want to upload? :) |
| 03:10.03 | abrotman | holo: you want #bash .. they should be able to help you upload |
| 03:10.11 | Gnea | so |
| 03:10.21 | Gnea | who thinks KDE or Gnome is the shit? |
| 03:10.21 | abrotman | sew |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | Gnea: i like gnome .. |
| 03:10.38 | abrotman | dunno about the shit |
| 03:10.41 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:10.48 | abrotman | certainly better than that shit kde :) |
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| 03:11.26 | _joey | I can't find mplayer in debian's cache |
| 03:11.28 | travisat | Gnea: if you mean they are shit, then yes I agree, although gnome isn't that shitty |
| 03:11.36 | holo | Gnea, the two of them have its place in the world, like everyone deserves to live, doesn't mean i like everyone |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | !tell _joey about marillat |
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| 03:12.35 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/img/today-ss.png |
| 03:12.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:13.04 | Gnea | heh, irssi logs all over that |
| 03:13.15 | Framus | i am trying to get my startx to load KDE and not Gnome i just tried adding kdestart to the .xinitrc file and then startx wouldn't work at all. Any other suggestions ? |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | Gnea: what are we looking at? |
| 03:13.30 | holo | abrotman, i care about sharing good stuff as i care to download good stuff |
| 03:13.37 | holo | abrotman, so yes i care about upload |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | Gnea: E17? |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | holo: #bash |
| 03:13.46 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | Gnea: how is it? |
| 03:14.00 | travisat | Gnea: does firefox crash on you? |
| 03:14.06 | Gnea | functional |
| 03:14.14 | Gnea | travisat: not as much as it did 2 weeks ago |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | Gnea: just as good as kde eh? |
| 03:14.23 | Gnea | abrotman: kde is shit |
| 03:14.43 | Gnea | great for the newbies |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | Gnea: the app menu is . middle click? .. is there no menu you can launch from the bar? |
| 03:15.00 | Gnea | it just reminds me too much of windows |
| 03:15.10 | Gnea | abrotman: sec |
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| 03:16.36 | Framus | does anyone know where i can get some info on getting my sound to work under 2.6.8 and Debian |
| 03:16.38 | abrotman | who knew .. thirteen is registered |
| 03:16.45 | abrotman | Framus: does it work as root? |
| 03:17.06 | Framus | nope. i just get an error telling me that the sound device doesn't exist |
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| 03:17.14 | abrotman | Framus: install discover |
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| 03:17.25 | abrotman | Framus: put your user in the audio group |
| 03:17.34 | abrotman | Framus: reboot ... try again |
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| 03:17.36 | Framus | abrotman: i will give that a shot. What exactly does it do ? |
| 03:17.46 | abrotman | Framus: discover is like .. windows PnP crap |
| 03:17.58 | travisat | except it works better |
| 03:18.04 | Framus | abrotman: i will give it a shot. Thanks |
| 03:19.06 | sh0rt | where are the icons that go on the toolbar live? |
| 03:19.21 | travisat | /usr/share/pixmaps? |
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| 03:19.30 | abrotman | sh0rt: like .. /usr/share/pixmaos or icons or something |
| 03:19.37 | sh0rt | thx |
| 03:19.53 | Gnea | abrotman: reload |
| 03:20.10 | karsten | travisat: Several paths, sec. |
| 03:20.34 | travisat | karsten: eh? |
| 03:21.00 | karsten | travisat: /usr/share/*/Icons, /usr/local/share/*/Icons, /usr/share/icons, /usr/X11/include/X11/pixmaps, /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 03:21.06 | abrotman | Gnea: but no menu from the bar? |
| 03:21.15 | abrotman | Gnea: i knew there was a click menu .. |
| 03:21.17 | Gnea | abrotman: oh hell no |
| 03:21.17 | travisat | karsten: I realize that.... |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | Gnea: it was just a question :) |
| 03:21.26 | karsten | travisat: Good. |
| 03:21.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:21.35 | Gnea | abrotman: a good one too |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | Gnea: i have to say .. i've gotten fairly used to .. like .. mini-commander in gnome |
| 03:21.49 | Gnea | i didn't understand what you meant the first time |
| 03:22.34 | abrotman | Gnea: and your lspci looks like you filled every slot :) |
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| 03:22.34 | Gnea | hahahhaha |
| 03:22.35 | Gnea | almost |
| 03:22.44 | Gnea | actually there's 1 pci slot free |
| 03:22.56 | Gnea | there are 5 total |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | Gnea: why is my /whois there? :) |
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| 03:23.39 | holo | finally acrobat reader uses a decent toolkit! |
| 03:23.39 | abrotman | Gnea: and my IP .. ack .. hide it . hide it! :) |
| 03:23.45 | Gnea | uh |
| 03:23.46 | Gnea | woops |
| 03:23.47 | Gnea | lol |
| 03:23.59 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 03:24.06 | Gnea | sorry |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | it's ok |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | it's just funny |
| 03:24.14 | Gnea | i was looking at system logs a sec before :) |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | yeah .. no servers on my end :) |
| 03:24.23 | Gnea | i was like "who the hell's hitting it so quick" |
| 03:24.29 | Gnea | hehe |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | well .. i have my 486 server!!! |
| 03:24.44 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 03:24.45 | Gnea | man |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | and it runs 2.6 :) |
| 03:24.53 | Gnea | it's been so long since i ran a 486 |
| 03:24.57 | Gnea | well |
| 03:25.01 | Gnea | other than my laptop |
| 03:25.18 | holycow | abrotman, haha |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | well .. it's ok .. 486 with 36MB and a 1.7GB HDD .. so it's good enoguh |
| 03:25.19 | holycow | nice |
| 03:25.35 | Gnea | abrotman: ereet |
| 03:25.40 | abrotman | it actually runs 2.6 / postfix / bind / pppd / dhcpd |
| 03:25.40 | Gnea | abrotman: amd or intel? |
| 03:25.42 | holycow | most routers have only p100 types of cpus as a comparison |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | and it has ram left over :) |
| 03:25.48 | holycow | you can do a lot with a p400 |
| 03:25.52 | Gnea | dude |
| 03:25.53 | Gnea | hehe |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | Gnea: Intel |
| 03:26.00 | Gnea | my server's an athlon 1ghz |
| 03:26.01 | holycow | even p75 |
| 03:26.04 | abrotman | Gnea: DX2/66 .. i have an overdrive somewhere |
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| 03:26.17 | Gnea | abrotman: i used to run freebsd on a dx2/66 :) |
| 03:26.18 | Xenguy | abrotman: great story :-) |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | not a story . it's the truth :) |
| 03:26.38 | Xenguy | abrotman: a true story ;-) |
| 03:26.42 | abrotman | it was my pppd router for a while |
| 03:26.45 | Gnea | #) |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | it can route 56k just fine :) |
| 03:27.00 | Gnea | my server used to be a 486 dx/4 120 |
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| 03:27.15 | Gnea | with a whooping 32MB |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | but stuff like dpkg-reconfigure ssh .. takes about 5 minutes to start :) |
| 03:27.40 | Gnea | eventually it stepped up to a K6 200 |
| 03:27.47 | asg | abrotman: how long did it take to gen the host keys? |
| 03:28.02 | abrotman | asg: i did that before .. when it was 2.2 kernel i think .. not too lnog ... |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | !beer asgt |
| 03:28.05 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 03:28.12 | rixth | Should I upgrade from 2.6.8-2 to 2.6.11-5? Is it worth the bother? |
| 03:28.36 | rixth | Boddingtons... ew =/ warm beer... |
| 03:28.38 | abrotman | Gnea: http://sys.us.shuttle.com/BuildXPC.aspx?id=1082 .. been thinking about that as the replacement :) |
| 03:28.49 | rixth | How do they gt the widget in there?! |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | Gnea: i figure for 800$ .. not too bad .. too bad i can't get a cheaper vid card |
| 03:29.26 | _joey | I just installed mplayer but can't play *.avi files. there's no video out for -vo option and no 3dfx when running wihtout -vo option |
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| 03:29.30 | Gnea | abrotman: oh man... |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | and no windows :) |
| 03:29.35 | abrotman | Gnea: ? |
| 03:29.36 | _joey | on sarge using 2.4.27 |
| 03:29.48 | Gnea | abrotman: that for the server? |
| 03:29.53 | abrotman | Gnea: just to mess with |
| 03:29.56 | Gnea | hehehhehehe |
| 03:30.05 | Gnea | abrotman: that's fscking sweet |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | Gnea: i've done the uber-loud SMP box .. they're a pain :) |
| 03:30.26 | Gnea | abrotman: but yeah, the video card difference leaves something to be desired |
| 03:30.33 | abrotman | and windows! |
| 03:30.47 | Gnea | only SMP i've ever run was a BP6 |
| 03:30.51 | abrotman | i could save like $300 i gather |
| 03:30.56 | Gnea | that was a fun system |
| 03:31.01 | Gnea | i hacked the living shit out of it |
| 03:31.02 | Gnea | and tamed it |
| 03:31.03 | abrotman | Gnea: this was an HP NetServer with SCSI .. |
| 03:31.06 | Gnea | now my mother uses it #) |
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| 03:31.21 | abrotman | Dual 500s |
| 03:31.38 | Gnea | abrotman: that'd still be fun |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | now my friend's mom uses it .. with an SGI Trinitron monitor that i used to have also :) |
| 03:31.43 | pipeline | abrotman: And why would you ever have gotten rid of that system :( |
| 03:31.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:31.52 | pipeline | abrotman: Pearls before swine! |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | pipeline: sold my HP,SGI,SPARC .. bought a single laptop |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | pipeline: small apartment .. too much stuff |
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| 03:32.18 | Gnea | i still have an SGI back in NY |
| 03:32.31 | pipeline | A dual 500 w/SCSI is still a pretty usable system |
| 03:32.41 | Gnea | Indy with a monitor/kbd/mouse |
| 03:32.41 | Azra`el | Yeah. |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | Gnea: this was the Indigo2(purple) .. 256MB .. 9GB SCSI .. High Impact with 4MB TRAM |
| 03:32.58 | abrotman | it was a fun box |
| 03:33.03 | Gnea | somehow the external SCSI floppy, hd and camera are sitting behind me |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | pipeline: it is |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | Gnea: mine even had the crystal vision card |
| 03:33.33 | Gnea | abrotman: fuck i don't even remember what it is - it's still there tho |
| 03:33.40 | Gnea | just not plugged in |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | Gnea: the crystal vision? |
| 03:33.47 | Gnea | that monitor is heavy as a mofo tho |
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| 03:34.03 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah i don't remember everything it's got |
| 03:34.04 | trig_hm | anyone know where I can find some help with the racoon vpn package? |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | Gnea: yeah .. i bought an SGI monitor to go with it |
| 03:34.13 | _joey | how do I configure kernel modules so I don't have to manually load them when i restart the system |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | Gnea: the crystal vision was the goggles :) |
| 03:34.26 | abrotman | _joey: modconf |
| 03:34.26 | asg | trig_hm: /usr/share/doc/racoon/* |
| 03:34.33 | trig_hm | asg: tried that |
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| 03:34.45 | Gnea | abrotman: if i move back there (and i might) i'm gonna put that system back together and sell it to the highest bidder |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | Gnea: i sold mine to my friend . so i can get it back :) |
| 03:35.01 | asg | trig_hm: then google, mailing lists, or their website. |
| 03:35.03 | Henning | _joey: You could use something like hotplug to automaticly and dynamicly load modules for you. Otherwise you could have a look at /etc/modules |
| 03:35.08 | Framus | abrotman: i just tried installing discover, adjusting alsamixer, and making sure all my users were added to the audio group. But still no sound. ANy other suggestions ? |
| 03:35.09 | trig_hm | asg: tried all that |
| 03:35.19 | abrotman | Framus: lsmod .. see any sound stuff? |
| 03:35.19 | trig_hm | I have the vpn working, but traffic is not working out right |
| 03:35.39 | Gnea | trig_hm: racoon? |
| 03:35.45 | pipeline | Gnea, abrotman: The sad thing about the Indigo2 is that even a piddly shit indy could give it a run for its money :( |
| 03:35.57 | abrotman | pipeline: this was the R10k 195Mhz |
| 03:36.00 | asg | Gnea: ipsec key exchanger |
| 03:36.04 | abrotman | far better than the Indy |
| 03:36.07 | pipeline | abrotman: Worst of all :( |
| 03:36.10 | Framus | abrotman: yeah, a few things |
| 03:36.11 | abrotman | pipeline: not at all |
| 03:36.13 | Gnea | ooooh |
| 03:36.14 | pipeline | abrotman: The Indigo2 bus was so awful that the R10k was wasted. |
| 03:36.21 | abrotman | pipeline: but still better than the indy |
| 03:36.24 | Gnea | trig_hm: that's weak, you should check out openvpn |
| 03:36.31 | abrotman | Gnea: and i have the feet! .. the Indigo2 feet!! |
| 03:36.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Sucked dead weasels through a straw. An indy would give it a run for its money anywhere the impact2 didn't come into play. |
| 03:36.40 | Gnea | abrotman: dude! |
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| 03:36.41 | Gnea | :D |
| 03:36.42 | _joey | abrotman man page shows how to load the modules which I can use modprobe too. i want to configure the modules so they are loaded after reestart |
| 03:36.45 | pipeline | abrotman: memory bandwidth was too lousy :( |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | pipeline: i'd race you :) |
| 03:36.56 | asg | _joey: just add them to /etc/modules |
| 03:37.09 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, my indy is an original R4000SC. You could beat it doing the benchmarks on pen and paper :P |
| 03:37.09 | abrotman | Framus: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 03:37.16 | abrotman | pipeline: see :) |
| 03:37.22 | _joey | asg thanks |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | pipeline: that's like a celeron :) |
| 03:37.29 | trig_hm | Gnea: yeah racoon -> pix |
| 03:37.40 | abrotman | _joey: i told you .. use modconf .. or do like asg said |
| 03:38.16 | _joey | abrotman go away |
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| 03:38.31 | abrotman | _joey: say what? |
| 03:38.41 | Gnea | _joey: you just wanna reinstall windows |
| 03:38.42 | trig_hm | all points show the vpn as established, but when pinging or trying ssh, tcpdump shows the packets getting to one side and that sides reply never making it back |
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| 03:38.59 | Framus | abrotman: i just tried that cat command and it is just hanging |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | modconf does exactly what you want .. freakin tard |
| 03:39.02 | asg | trig_hm: sounds like a routing issue on the far side. |
| 03:39.07 | abrotman | Framus: no noise? no error? |
| 03:39.17 | Framus | abrotman: nothing at all |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | Framus: speakers on etc? |
| 03:39.24 | Looper | woah, apt-get rocks. |
| 03:39.39 | trig_hm | asg: any pointers as to what routing issue I might look at? I admin both sides |
| 03:39.40 | Gnea | _joey: just put the sound driver in your /etc/modules file and be done with it |
| 03:39.45 | Framus | abrotman: speakers are on, plugged in, etc.. |
| 03:39.56 | trig_hm | trying to get home <-> work going without having to buy some appliance at home |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | Framus: run aumix .. make sure the levels are up |
| 03:40.00 | ariel | who know what are the secrets on debian's kernel that makes the X window fast?¿ |
| 03:40.01 | asg | trig_hm: make sure there is a route back through the tunnel for origin traffic. |
| 03:40.18 | trig_hm | asg: there is that. |
| 03:40.18 | Framus | abrotman: where can i find aumix ? |
| 03:40.26 | Gnea | trig_hm: yeah, check out openvpn (http://openvpn.sf.net) they even have windows clients |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | Framus: apt-get install aumix ? |
| 03:40.31 | asg | trig_hm: hmmm |
| 03:40.45 | pipeline | abrotman: It was the fastest machine SGI sold at the time, one of the original indy's. But the R4400SC models were much, much faster. Enough so to keep up with I2's. |
| 03:40.46 | Framus | abrotman: ok, i will go try. Thanks again |
| 03:40.53 | trig_hm | Gnea: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | pipeline: i'd still kick your ass :) |
| 03:41.04 | pipeline | abrotman: Maybe, but not by much :P |
| 03:41.07 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | pipeline: i had the TRAM!!! |
| 03:41.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, an octane in the most minimal configuration will beat an I2 in the maximum config hands down. The 3d won't even be an issue because the memory sucked too much :P |
| 03:41.52 | abrotman | pipeline: i should hope so |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | pipeline: i had the TRAM!!! |
| 03:42.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Not because the octane was a good design, but because the I2 was a bad one. Hell, it can't even saturate a 100 mbit network. |
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| 03:43.07 | ariel | who know what are the secrets on debian's kernel that makes the X window fast?¿ |
| 03:43.16 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:43.39 | asg | ariel: that's just standard preemptive and low-latency patches (to 2.4, std. in 2.6) |
| 03:43.46 | travisat | ariel: I could tell you but then I would have to kill you |
| 03:43.49 | trig_hm | ariel: my X runs fine |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | i don't htink they added the preemot |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | i don't htink they added the preempt |
| 03:44.07 | travisat | preempt slows my comp down sometimes |
| 03:44.09 | Framus | abrotman: aumix only lists the microphone |
| 03:44.13 | abrotman | i lied |
| 03:44.16 | abrotman | Framus: that's it? |
| 03:44.18 | travisat | except for cks |
| 03:44.19 | asg | abrotman: CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 03:44.22 | Framus | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | Framus: what kind of sound card do you have? |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | Framus: and you raised levels with alsa mixer too? |
| 03:44.51 | Framus | abrotman: SiS 900. Both alsaconf and discover where able to detect it |
| 03:44.55 | travisat | I never understood that ck kernels preempt works good for me, but the debians doesn't |
| 03:45.04 | Framus | abrotman: yes i raised the levels with alsa mixer |
| 03:45.10 | travisat | must be the scheduler or something |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | Framus: with all devices? |
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| 03:45.16 | Gnea | ariel: it depends which CPU you choose, actually |
| 03:45.24 | Framus | abrotman: all devices. |
| 03:45.27 | cryptic2 | Anyone know a easy, stable program that will update dns to current ip for freedns.afraid.org ? |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | Framus: please tell me they aren't muted :)O |
| 03:45.35 | Breeder | firefox (1.0.2) pdf plugin isnt working unless i write "about:plugins", anyone with this problem too? |
| 03:45.51 | Looper | gah, i just installed debian and i've allready forgot the root passwd :/ |
| 03:46.01 | Azra`el | reinstall time |
| 03:46.02 | Azra`el | =) |
| 03:46.02 | abrotman | Looper: /msg dpkg forgot root's password |
| 03:46.03 | asg | Looper: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 03:46.09 | Framus | abrotman: that's the little speakers over the volume control right ? |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | Framus: uhm |
| 03:46.34 | abrotman | Framus: which mixer are you using? |
| 03:46.35 | ariel | well I think my hardware is Ok because i tried kubuntu live-cd and it ran fast and I even could play a fullscreen movie with no problems |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | like kmixer? |
| 03:46.46 | Framus | abrotman: alsamixergui |
| 03:47.12 | abrotman | oh .. never tried it :) |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | let me look |
| 03:47.22 | abrotman | ack . i dont' have it |
| 03:47.43 | ariel | I attempted to get the kernel config file from kubuntu but I did't find its kernel source |
| 03:47.50 | abrotman | Framus: i'm gettin git |
| 03:47.51 | Framus | abrotman: it won't let me adjust some of the levels. |
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| 03:48.33 | ariel | now i'm using 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:48.45 | abrotman | Framus: if the speakers are white . it's muted |
| 03:48.55 | abrotman | Framus: make sure PCM is up/unmuted |
| 03:49.17 | Framus | abrotman: yeah, none of them are muted but i can't change the level on PCM |
| 03:49.27 | abrotman | Framus: sounds like you don't have a pcm device in use |
| 03:49.48 | Jacobo221 | is S-Lang compatible with ncurses? i mean, if i write an app for ncurses, will it compile with S-Lang too? |
| 03:49.49 | Framus | abrotman: that would make sense, but why ? |
| 03:49.59 | abrotman | Framus: i have to load uhm ... |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss or something like that |
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| 03:50.27 | asg | Jacobo221: try #c |
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| 03:50.40 | abrocadabro | Framus: try to unload alsa and then reload them /etc/alsa stop to see if they modules go away, then /etc/alsa start see what happens |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | Framus: it took me a good bit of work .. to get the PCM stuff to work ..i have to trek to #alsa |
| 03:50.46 | Jacobo221 | asg: ok |
| 03:50.51 | abrotman | err had to |
| 03:51.09 | ariel | Gnea: are you still there? |
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| 03:51.29 | Framus | abrocadabro i don't have a /etc/alsa folder |
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| 03:51.36 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 03:51.41 | abrocadabro | yes, sry |
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| 03:52.21 | BrittMan914 | I have a question, I need to backup entire /home folders to .TAR files? What is the syntax to do this |
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| 03:52.30 | abrotman | man tar |
| 03:52.42 | asg | BrittMan914: /msg dpkg tar |
| 03:52.44 | travisat | BrittMan914: tar -cvf home.tar /home |
| 03:52.45 | BrittMan914 | I wish I had time to read manials |
| 03:52.51 | BrittMan914 | thank you very much :) |
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| 03:53.05 | Framus | i have no alsa file or folder in the init.d folder |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | ownership preservation? |
| 03:53.21 | abrotman | Framus: did you install alsa? |
| 03:53.39 | Gnea | ariel: yeah |
| 03:53.44 | Framus | abrotman: it is supposed to be included in the 2.6 kernel. or so i was told |
| 03:53.55 | abrotman | Framus: apt-get install alsaconf |
| 03:53.59 | abrocadabro | alsa utils is not |
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| 03:54.00 | ariel | did you read what I wrote? |
| 03:54.11 | rixth | .msg NickServ a95vuw |
| 03:54.16 | asg | hahah |
| 03:54.17 | rixth | Just great, |
| 03:54.25 | gteppel | I'm currently dual-booting Debian/stable and WinXP, (WinXP = hda1), (Debian hda2=/boot, hda3=/, hda4=swap). I would like to run multiple Linux distros (e.g. Debian/stable, Debian sid, Ubuntu). I hate to create more and more partitions and create a more complex parition table... is there some way to chroot a distro onto a parition. For example hda2 is still boot, and hda4 is swap, but have all my di |
| 03:54.25 | gteppel | stro's in hda3? I'm not even sure if this is a better method, I would appreciate any comments :) |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | Framus: and alsa-base |
| 03:54.27 | asg | rixth: better change that pw quickly |
| 03:54.34 | pipeline | BrittMan914: You probably want tar -cpf |
| 03:54.45 | Framus | abrotman: it is getting alsa-base automatically |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | Framus: ok |
| 03:55.01 | abrotman | Framus: did you try aumix ? |
| 03:55.09 | rixth | abrotman, whoop de doo :) |
| 03:55.24 | Gnea | ariel: i was actually being sarcastic - it takes more than just the CPU to make X any faster - really, it depends what WM you're using |
| 03:55.32 | BrittMan914 | pipeline: thanks... |
| 03:55.54 | pipeline | Gnea, ariel: Actually, it primarily depends upon what graphics driver you're using. |
| 03:55.55 | asg | gteppel: I run woody and sarge chroots on my sid laptop. As far as other non-debian distros go, I don't know. |
| 03:55.59 | zinx | usually if X is running slow, it's because either 1) you're running some bloated desktop environment, or 2) you're using the wrong video drivers |
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| 03:56.09 | asg | gteppel: another option is to use vserver or uml to create virtual instances. |
| 03:56.10 | abrotman | asg: you freak :) |
| 03:56.15 | pipeline | Gnea, ariel: The second thing you can do is "renice" X to -10 priority in order to give it a leg up. |
| 03:56.21 | asg | abrotman: I have to for testing purposes ;) |
| 03:56.29 | Gnea | pipeline: no, because KDE or Gnome will always startup and run slower on ANY system than blackbox or fluxbox will |
| 03:56.30 | Framus | abrotman: i just installed alsa-base and alsa-conf. |
| 03:56.32 | gteppel | asg: could you point me towards any documentation for either of those methods? |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | Framus: did it setup alsa? |
| 03:56.40 | gteppel | asg: if you have any off hand |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | Framus: or did you run alsaconf ? |
| 03:56.57 | pipeline | Gnea: Yes, that's all very nice, but you see, I like to run *applications*. If I'm just going to sit in fluxbox using links as a browser, I may as well be using mwm or twm. |
| 03:57.00 | abrocadabro | Framus: you need to install alsa-utils as well I think |
| 03:57.01 | Framus | running it now |
| 03:57.05 | asg | gteppel: /msg dpkg debootstrap (for the first), usermodelinux.sourceforge.net (or something similar) for the latter |
| 03:57.13 | pipeline | Gnea: Mozilla alone uses more memory than an entire KDE environment (including a browser!) |
| 03:57.21 | gteppel | asg: thanks! :-) |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | that's not saying much |
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| 03:57.41 | ariel | pipeline: i think the same but I think that the secret reside on the kernel. What do you think about? |
| 03:57.42 | abrotman | luckily gnome only uses 2k of ram |
| 03:57.55 | pipeline | ariel: If by "secrets" you mean the dri/drm setup, then yes. |
| 03:57.57 | Gnea | pipeline: hehe that's why i prefer firefox with a couple extensions |
| 03:58.05 | pipeline | Gnea: Firefox is mozilla. |
| 03:58.08 | Gnea | pipeline: hrm, but you've got a good point there.... |
| 03:58.23 | Gnea | pipeline: no, mozilla is mozilla-browser, firefox is mozilla-firefox |
| 03:58.37 | pipeline | Gnea: I'm a gnome zealot, and I use mozilla very happily, but "lol bloat" is a shitty argument for fluxbox. |
| 03:58.49 | pipeline | Gnea: If you wanted the least-bloated environment, KDE would be the most reasonable option. |
| 03:58.55 | Gnea | pipeline: shitty because it's true? |
| 03:59.04 | pipeline | Gnea: Shitty because it's poorly thought out. |
| 03:59.05 | ariel | pipeline: would you mind being more detailed please? |
| 03:59.08 | Gnea | pipeline: you are wrong and uneducated. |
| 03:59.09 | abrotman | pipeline: did you just say that? |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | kde is the least bloated option? |
| 03:59.19 | Framus | abrotman: i installed alsa-base alsa-conf and i already had alsa-utils. i ran alsa-conf, it detected the card and set the mixer levels. And still no sound |
| 03:59.24 | pipeline | abrotman: I can hardly believe it myself, but it's true. |
| 03:59.33 | abrotman | Framus: you might have to restart .. sad but true .. |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | pipeline: you lie |
| 03:59.38 | Gnea | pipeline: your opinion has been formed incorrectly and is thus invalid. get the fuck out. |
| 03:59.42 | pipeline | abrotman: Gnome offers compelling usability advantages to make up for how freaking bloated mozilla is. |
| 03:59.43 | asg | pipeline: asg 3072 0.1 0.6 6516 3252 tty1 S 22:01 0:05 /usr/bin/fluxbox (doesn't look to bloated to me) |
| 03:59.50 | BrittMan914 | pipeline: worked perfectly thanks... |
| 03:59.52 | pipeline | asg: Yes, and what are you using for a web browser? |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | kde is damn bloated |
| 04:00.00 | abrocadabro | Framus: the sound is muted by default, run alsamixer |
| 04:00.06 | asg | pipeline: lynx for most things, firefox for some things |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | pipeline: even former kde devs that i know will claim it to be bloated like a kid on halloween |
| 04:00.25 | xoz | Framus: make sure you set the main volume and pcm volume |
| 04:00.28 | pipeline | ariel: DRI/DRM is a standard method of making video drivers play nicely with the kernel. DRI drivers are usually much faster than their non-DRI counterparts. |
| 04:00.52 | pipeline | abrotman: If you look at memory footprint alone, the monster that is mozilla/firefox/galeon/epiphany makes KDE look pretty lightweight ;_; |
| 04:00.58 | Framus | abrotman:using aumix i can change the PCM volume, but i still can do it with alsa mixer |
| 04:00.59 | Gnea | pipeline: I use E17 with little problems. It does, in fact, use a smaller memory footprint than KDE or Gnome. |
| 04:01.02 | ariel | pipeline: and how I can enable it? |
| 04:01.12 | pipeline | asg: Then you, sir, have understood the forces at work on your desktop. |
| 04:01.17 | Gnea | pipeline: do you know WHY Gnome-applications have such a large memory footprint? |
| 04:01.19 | pipeline | ariel: It's probably enabled by default. What video card do you have? |
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| 04:01.21 | asg | pipeline: agreed, firefox is very bloated |
| 04:01.27 | abrotman | pipeline: you're comparing different things .. since galeon and epiphany have to load parts of gnome to run |
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| 04:01.30 | pipeline | Gnea: It's not the gnome applications that are the problem, it's your !@#$ web browser. |
| 04:01.36 | abrotman | Framus: try again ? |
| 04:01.38 | abrocadabro | Fraums: press M to unmute than change the volumn |
| 04:01.39 | owlmanatt | hey kids, hear about what happened with the EU software patent directive getting passed? amsn.sourceforge.net =/ |
| 04:01.41 | Gnea | pipeline: wrong. |
| 04:01.46 | pipeline | abrotman: Memory shared with the rest of the system. Firefox or Mozilla alone is absolutely insane. |
| 04:01.47 | Framus | abrotman: try what again ? |
| 04:01.56 | abrotman | Framus: your last statement didn't make sense :) |
| 04:01.58 | pipeline | Gnea: Firefox commonly uses more than 200M of RAM on my system. |
| 04:01.59 | asg | pipeline: though since the rest of the system is very light and I have 512M, it doesn't currently affect me too much. |
| 04:02.02 | ariel | pipeline: S3/VIA Unichrome |
| 04:02.06 | abrotman | pipeline: you've got problems .. mine doesn't |
| 04:02.11 | Gnea | pipeline: on 'your' system? |
| 04:02.14 | pipeline | ariel: Then you're pretty screwed on that one. |
| 04:02.20 | Gnea | pipeline: prove it. |
| 04:02.22 | abrotman | pipeline: mine running right now is 35MB |
| 04:02.29 | abrotman | gnome-panel is far less |
| 04:02.38 | ariel | pipeline: why? |
| 04:02.40 | Gnea | pipeline: show me a screenshot of top. |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | pipeline: i thik your system is borked |
| 04:02.53 | trig_hm | Gnea: you got any info on doing an openvpn -> pix vpn using a shared secret? I just have our pix setup to use a password basically |
| 04:03.05 | Framus | abrotman: you told me to make sure that the PCM volume was up and not muted. But alsa mixer won't let me adjust it. However when i used aumix it let me change the PCM volume (but i still have no sound) |
| 04:03.25 | Gnea | trig_hm: i've never used pix before, so no :/ |
| 04:03.31 | trig_hm | thanks anyways |
| 04:03.32 | pipeline | abrotman, Gnea: *shrug* I made it up. I use galeon, and I don't have a browser open at the moment. Nevertheless, it often consumes 100, 200, 300M of RAM when I have more than a dozen or so pages open. |
| 04:03.34 | abrotman | Framus: that's why i said you might need to restart .. you've got the OSS drivers loaded and the Alsa stuff trying to run .. and what desktop are you using by chance? |
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| 04:03.43 | Framus | abrotman: should i have "enable sound server" selected in my KDE Control Center ? |
| 04:03.43 | pipeline | ariel: Because unichrome graphics have no DRI-accelerated drivers. |
| 04:03.45 | abrotman | pipeline: use opera :) |
| 04:03.50 | Gnea | pipeline: you made it up? then shut the FUCK up and get the fuck OUT. |
| 04:03.53 | abrotman | Framus: i don't use KDE .. no idea |
| 04:03.55 | pipeline | abrotman: Heh, Opera's linux version is sadsack. |
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| 04:04.06 | Gnea | no need for poseurs |
| 04:04.08 | pipeline | Gnea: *rolleyes*. Look at your own memory usage for firefox -- its memory bloat is legendary. |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | pipeline: works perfectly fine here .. and uses far less RAM than firefox |
| 04:04.10 | Framus | abrotman: ok. thanks for all the help. I am going to restart now. |
| 04:04.15 | takatumi | lately firefox has been quite stable here, flash works as well. |
| 04:04.31 | abrocadabro | Framus: you NEED to enable the sound server |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.36 | pipeline | abrotman: It's sad sack next to the wonderful win32 version. |
| 04:04.46 | abrotman | pipeline: i think the linux version is better .... |
| 04:04.53 | Gnea | pipeline: if you're going to make a substantial arguement then provide some real data to back it up, otherwise you're just talking out of your ass and it doesn't mean anythign and only makes you look bad and stupid |
| 04:05.14 | pipeline | Gnea: Jesus, christ, abrotman just posted a top with 109M resident. |
| 04:05.19 | abrotman | pipeline: wrong |
| 04:05.22 | takatumi | abrotman: 3528 nach 16 0 103m 30m 18m S 0.0 7.0 0:40.52 firefox-bin |
| 04:05.34 | abrotman | pipeline: it's 37MB Res .. 109 Virtual |
| 04:05.35 | ariel | pipeline: and another solution may be possible because, under kubuntu live-cd with the same process running it works fast |
| 04:05.35 | pipeline | never mind, I was looking at "minutes" |
| 04:05.41 | Gnea | pipeline: what? you don't know how to read it right. |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.57 | abrotman | better? |
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| 04:06.02 | Gnea | pipeline: thank you for proving me right. |
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| 04:06.06 | abrotman | fucking christ |
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| 04:06.10 | abrotman | everyone happy? |
| 04:06.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:06.19 | takatumi | \o/ |
| 04:06.23 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.24 | Gnea | so |
| 04:06.31 | Gnea | that's using 142 megs of ram eh? |
| 04:06.34 | Gnea | ROFL!!! |
| 04:06.34 | abrotman | no |
| 04:06.38 | epitaph | abrotman: YES INDEEDY |
| 04:06.43 | Gnea | abrotman: i know :) |
| 04:06.48 | Gnea | it's just funny as all hell |
| 04:06.51 | epitaph | hey, what's the name of that program that turns an installed debian package back into a .deb? |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:07.02 | epitaph | dpkg-repack! |
| 04:07.03 | epitaph | thanks guys |
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| 04:07.10 | abrotman | glad we could help |
| 04:07.14 | Gnea | pipeline: let me show you how to read this right |
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| 04:07.28 | holo | epitaph, time machine? (joke) |
| 04:07.30 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.32 | Gnea | 14598 gnea 15 0 116m 45m 21m S 0.7 9.1 3:16.65 firefox-bin |
| 04:07.36 | pipeline | Gnea: You realize that mozilla memory usage is a function of the number of pages open? |
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| 04:07.40 | Gnea | pipeline: ok, see that %MEM? |
| 04:07.41 | epitaph | holo: keke |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | Ni!!! |
| 04:07.48 | Gnea | it says PERCENTAGE OF MEMORY |
| 04:07.51 | Gnea | NOW |
| 04:07.56 | Gnea | memic: 515544k total, 475780k used, 39764k free, 53368k buffers |
| 04:07.59 | _joey | which line do I add in sources.list to include non-free software? |
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| 04:08.09 | _joey | sancho, acroread etc |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | !tell _joey about non-free |
| 04:08.30 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 04:08.33 | abrotman | ay |
| 04:08.34 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:08.38 | Gnea | what's 9.1 percent of 512? |
| 04:08.38 | stew | aye |
| 04:08.40 | rixth | In Gnome, where is the Users & Groups config GUI? I can't find it |
| 04:08.41 | abrotman | !sodapop stew |
| 04:08.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:08.47 | stew | dang |
| 04:08.52 | Gnea | pipeline: i'm waiting on your answer laggy |
| 04:08.53 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 04:08.54 | pipeline | Gnea: Take a short look at oh, say, http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+memory+usage |
| 04:08.57 | stew | woop |
| 04:08.58 | abrotman | stew: trade? |
| 04:09.06 | stew | good trade! |
| 04:09.11 | pipeline | Gnea: Not everyone on earth is just making up the fact that gecko-based browsers have "issues" with memory usage |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | i'm from PA! |
| 04:09.23 | Gnea | pipeline: shove it out your ass and answer the question: what's 9.1 percent of 512M? |
| 04:09.30 | stew | s/g/k/ |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | pipeline: he's not saying they don't .. just not what you claim :) |
| 04:09.35 | ariel | _joey: add testing main contrib non-free after the url you use |
| 04:09.42 | abrotman | stew: when are we going to sly fox? |
| 04:09.45 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:10.00 | holo | dillo r0x, or not |
| 04:10.00 | stew | i haven't a free weekend until summer |
| 04:10.03 | stew | but it'll happen |
| 04:10.13 | pipeline | Gnea: I think it's time to put you on "ignore." I have little patience for "in-your-face" moronism. |
| 04:10.18 | abrotman | stew: i can't wait til i have free weekends :) |
| 04:10.33 | Gnea | pipeline: then you shouldn't have gotten in MY face in the first place. |
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| 04:10.42 | Gnea | pipeline: you can dish it out but you can't it. you fucking pussy. |
| 04:10.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:10.51 | Gnea | +take |
| 04:11.08 | stew | abrotman: maybe dba first! :) http://www.drinkgoodstuff.com/ny/default.asp |
| 04:11.14 | Gnea | man, i miss having a mohawk |
| 04:11.23 | abrotman | stew: que? .. dba? |
| 04:11.40 | stew | abrotman: the url should give you a clue :) |
| 04:11.51 | pipeline | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/09/msg02280.html |
| 04:11.53 | abrotman | stew: i'd try the 6 points . i don't think i'd like it . but i bet it would be interesting |
| 04:12.11 | thyhorror | anyone in here know if in a dvdauthor.xml file one should use "<vob file="dvd_menu_background_submuxed.mpg" pause="inf"/>" over "<pgc pause="0">" ? or where i might get some help on this ? |
| 04:12.27 | _joey | are there any non-official debian package repositiries? |
| 04:12.30 | _joey | I can use |
| 04:12.32 | Gnea | pipeline: what's wrong, too unintelligent to show me what 9.1 percent of 512M is? |
| 04:12.33 | abrotman | _joey: apt-get.org |
| 04:12.38 | rixth | In Gnome, where is the Users & Groups config GUI? I can't find it. Even better, what is the command/pacahe? |
| 04:12.41 | rixth | package* |
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| 04:12.42 | _joey | I am looking for sancho package |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | !512*9.1 |
| 04:12.46 | dpkg | 4659.2 |
| 04:12.52 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:12.52 | abrotman | wait |
| 04:12.58 | abrotman | !smack me |
| 04:13.04 | Gnea | LOL |
| 04:13.10 | abrotman | !512*9.1/100 |
| 04:13.10 | dpkg | 46.592 |
| 04:13.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:13.16 | Gnea | :D |
| 04:13.25 | abrotman | i can do 3rd grade math .. i rule! |
| 04:13.34 | pipeline | gooo dpkg power |
| 04:14.03 | Gnea | i see no pipeline power |
| 04:14.03 | stew | ~convert 512 mebibytes to megabytes |
| 04:14.03 | holo | dpkg is a t-rex bot who eats abrotmans for sport |
| 04:14.19 | abrotman | !eat holo |
| 04:14.21 | Gnea | heh, mebibytes |
| 04:14.34 | stew | ~convert 512 kebibytes to kilobytes |
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| 04:14.35 | pipeline | abrotman: Incidentally, how much X server memory is your firefox using with 37M resident? |
| 04:14.38 | holo | *blurp* |
| 04:14.38 | stew | dang |
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| 04:14.47 | abrotman | pipeline: my x server doesn't have memory :) |
| 04:14.54 | cafuego | !convert 1 Giganybble to Mb |
| 04:14.56 | pipeline | abrotman: ...? |
| 04:14.56 | Gnea | pipeline: incidentally, 46.592 != 109 |
| 04:15.02 | abrotman | pipeline: it uses it .. it doesn't have any :) |
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| 04:15.11 | pipeline | I do not understand |
| 04:15.12 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.16 | Gnea | of course you don't. |
| 04:15.17 | zinx | Gnea: incidentally, VIRT != RES |
| 04:15.20 | Gnea | you are an idiot. |
| 04:15.26 | abrotman | zinx: don't make us smack you |
| 04:15.26 | pipeline | abrotman: That's not exactly a precise measurement :P |
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| 04:15.33 | abrotman | pipeline: what isn't? |
| 04:15.39 | abrotman | you asked |
| 04:15.39 | Gnea | zinx: and the answer != VIRT nor RES |
| 04:15.42 | pipeline | abrotman: of the amount firefox is using |
| 04:15.49 | abrotman | oh . the shared |
| 04:16.03 | zinx | Gnea: it should be res :x |
| 04:16.05 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.11 | abrotman | 35M is the shared |
| 04:16.12 | zinx | Gnea: according to your paste, it _is_ res |
| 04:16.14 | pipeline | abrotman: No, no, not the shared |
| 04:16.14 | Gnea | look |
| 04:16.20 | Gnea | that's 5 percent of his total mem |
| 04:16.21 | pipeline | abrotman: The amount that is being used on the X server, by firefox |
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| 04:16.41 | abrotman | why are you asking me? |
| 04:16.44 | zinx | Gnea: and 37 is 5% of his total ram, approximately. |
| 04:16.46 | Azra`el | why not? |
| 04:16.51 | Gnea | pipeline: he thinks we don't know anything |
| 04:16.53 | Gnea | er |
| 04:16.56 | pipeline | abrotman: e.g. my galeon is using 39M resident, with an additional 16M in the X server |
| 04:16.58 | zinx | Gnea: so he probably has 768 or so. |
| 04:16.59 | Gnea | abrotman: he thinks we don't know anything |
| 04:17.08 | pipeline | abrotman: I am simply curious, as firefox uses XUL rather than tickling a toolkit directly |
| 04:17.16 | abrotman | all my memory is used .. but i blame eclipse :) |
| 04:17.18 | Gnea | zinx: i wouldn't doubt his parents went and bought it for him |
| 04:17.27 | abrotman | pipeline: how do you know? |
| 04:17.40 | abrotman | and if you give me some convoluted command .. i'll have dpkg shoot you |
| 04:17.42 | pipeline | abrotman: http://common-lisp.net/project/eclipse/ eclipse? :P |
| 04:17.51 | abrotman | pipeline: eclipse.org |
| 04:17.53 | pipeline | abrotman: heh, I've been using gnome-system-monitor so long, I can't remember the other way to check |
| 04:18.00 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 04:18.15 | Gnea | his head is buried so far beneath the sand |
| 04:18.33 | abrotman | pipeline: mine says 1.5MB |
| 04:18.33 | zinx | Gnea: anyway, top is _supposed_ to show the percentage of used physical memory, which is shown as mb in 'res' |
| 04:18.40 | zinx | Gnea: if it doesn't, then it's buggy. |
| 04:18.42 | Gnea | there are about a billion new layers of sand that he doesn't know exists there right now |
| 04:18.46 | _joey | alsa rules |
| 04:18.47 | abrotman | zinx: why are you still going? |
| 04:18.54 | zinx | abrotman: bored? |
| 04:19.04 | abrotman | zinx: you're arguing the same side as gnea |
| 04:19.08 | Gnea | zinx: yeah, it's still proportional though |
| 04:19.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Now that is a hell of a gap |
| 04:19.10 | abrotman | against gnea |
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| 04:19.19 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't use firefox much |
| 04:19.27 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah but at least he's being intelligent about it |
| 04:19.27 | zinx | Gnea: o_O |
| 04:19.48 | lakcaj | Hello. I'm trying to updatedb, and I'm getting the following error. I tried googling, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm not sure if I should even edit /etc/mtab... |
| 04:20.01 | lakcaj | root@limbo:~# updatedb |
| 04:20.01 | lakcaj | /usr/bin/find: error in /etc/mtab: /.dev: No such file or directory |
| 04:20.13 | abrotman | touch /.dev ? |
| 04:20.15 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:20.18 | stew | whenever i see Gnea i think Gnaa |
| 04:20.35 | abrotman | dorks think alike ? |
| 04:20.36 | Azra`el | stew: yhbt hand |
| 04:20.51 | Gnea | whenever i see stew i think cooked meatballs, potatoes and carrots |
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| 04:21.09 | lakcaj | abrotman, :) Thanks |
| 04:21.11 | stew | Gnea: no offense intended, of course |
| 04:21.23 | abrotman | for a while i thought stew was like a 12 year old red haired kid with thick rimmed glasses |
| 04:21.26 | stew | lakcaj: if you don't have a /.dev you either are lucky enought to not have udev or have it and are fucked |
| 04:21.30 | Gnea | stew: none taken, most of the time people think i'm female |
| 04:21.45 | Azra`el | you're not? |
| 04:21.46 | abrotman | Gnea: you are! ... |
| 04:21.53 | Gnea | used to go into #netsex and whatnot and get 50 guys /msg'ing me |
| 04:21.54 | abrotman | Gnea: you fucking pussy.! :) |
| 04:21.58 | stew | abrotman: did i give you the impression that i am *not* a 12 year old redhed? |
| 04:22.01 | Gnea | abrotman: LOL |
| 04:22.12 | abrotman | stew: that whole .. owning company thing .. |
| 04:22.16 | stew | ahh |
| 04:22.20 | lakcaj | stew, it's likely that I'm fucked, since this is an up to date sarge install.... but it is on my old desktop computer so I don't really care that much. |
| 04:22.20 | abrotman | stew: sorry |
| 04:22.38 | stew | !udev |
| 04:22.38 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 04:22.43 | abrotman | stew: the Einbecker too! |
| 04:23.03 | lakcaj | stew, thanks for the link. |
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| 04:23.26 | abrotman | stew: the DBA site ? |
| 04:23.35 | stew | ahh |
| 04:23.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:23.57 | abrotman | stew: can i get a sampler? |
| 04:24.11 | stew | uhh, do you expect me to ctcp it? |
| 04:24.32 | abrotman | stew: no .. it was an inquiry |
| 04:24.37 | asg | stew: man uubp |
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| 04:24.48 | stew | asg: heh |
| 04:24.53 | stew | abrotman: sure then |
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| 04:25.50 | abrotman | i've got beer! |
| 04:26.07 | stew | same here |
| 04:26.18 | stew | i'm drinking some "HIPA" from magic hat |
| 04:26.21 | stew | its decent |
| 04:26.37 | abrotman | #9 is not my fave |
| 04:26.45 | abrotman | too much .. nutmeg . or something |
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| 04:27.01 | abrotman | ack |
| 04:27.02 | stew | #9 is like apricot and not a well done apricot |
| 04:27.11 | abrotman | just not good |
| 04:27.16 | stew | don't ask me what the H is for |
| 04:27.25 | stew | but other magic hats are decent |
| 04:27.32 | abrotman | some are ok |
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| 04:27.43 | stew | this is a 6 that my wife randomly brought home, so i cannot complain |
| 04:27.48 | stew | go wifey |
| 04:27.50 | abrotman | my sister used to get them sometimes when she lived in northampton |
| 04:27.56 | shingouz | lets see if i can induce some headaches. "rsync -e ssh -aHzv --exclude-from filename /* root@target:/destination" runs a long time reporting beaucoup bytes transferred but also "some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702). is this normal when cloning a system while excluding /proc and all lost+founds in the exclude file? |
| 04:28.32 | abrotman | but they had the northampton brewery! |
| 04:28.45 | ryan_ | shingouz: you want /dev? |
| 04:29.04 | stew | shingouz: all i know is that you can leave off the -e ssh on a debian system unless for some reason you actually did update-alternatives to reactivate rsh |
| 04:29.12 | shingouz | ryan_: yes, just trying to get the system from an old hd to a new one |
| 04:29.37 | shingouz | stew: no rsh here :) |
| 04:29.46 | ryan_ | my method of choice for that task is using netcat and tar. |
| 04:30.22 | shingouz | ryan_: i'm still a bit hazy on tar that is why i went the rsync way |
| 04:30.30 | ryan_ | meh. |
| 04:30.33 | shingouz | yup |
| 04:30.38 | blahdeblah | hi all, can anyone recommend a Debian-packaged web search engine for a small site. One with a good security track-record, preferably. :-) |
| 04:30.49 | blahdeblah | s/site\./site?/ |
| 04:31.02 | asg | blahdeblah: htdig |
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| 04:31.18 | asg | ryan_: no encryption? |
| 04:31.19 | blahdeblah | Doesn't that fail on the security track-record side of things? |
| 04:31.30 | Gnea | blahdeblah: does it? |
| 04:31.41 | ryan_ | asg, I only ever do it over a crossover cable. |
| 04:31.54 | abrotman | Gnea: it's had a few i think |
| 04:31.57 | asg | blahdeblah: any security issues it has would have been taken care of by the debian security team (at least on woody) |
| 04:32.03 | asg | ryan_: *nod* |
| 04:32.04 | ryan_ | but yeah, don't use netcat for that over an untrusted network. |
| 04:32.05 | Gnea | abrotman: i've only had 2 |
| 04:32.37 | shingouz | well... its not like i have security issues on this network, i just want to learn how to do it in a somewhat secure way as a just in case measure |
| 04:32.40 | abrotman | Gnea: more beast? |
| 04:32.46 | Gnea | abrotman: BEST! |
| 04:32.48 | ryan_ | or hell, pipe tar to ssh ;) |
| 04:32.51 | abrotman | Gnea: more beast? |
| 04:33.00 | Gnea | abrotman: no, not pabst |
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| 04:33.16 | abrotman | Gnea: yes .. beast .. miluakees best .. beast |
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| 04:33.40 | blahdeblah | asg: Fair enuf. Any comments on aspseek mnogosearch namazu2 nms-search? |
| 04:33.42 | abrotman | Gnea: see :) |
| 04:33.48 | Gnea | abrotman: nice :) |
| 04:33.53 | abrotman | Gnea: haven't had any in a while . tasted like dirty water :) |
| 04:34.00 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:34.02 | asg | blahdeblah: mnogosearch looked good last time I looked at it. I can't comment on the others. |
| 04:34.06 | abrotman | Gnea: you're from NY .. don't you know good beer like .. saranac? |
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| 04:34.21 | abrotman | Gnea: the stevens point brew isn't bad . Point beer or whatever |
| 04:34.35 | ryan_ | from /: tar -c . | ssh -C user@host tar -xvC / |
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| 04:34.41 | sh0rt | is there a battery monitor app for icewm |
| 04:34.52 | ryan_ | (disclaimer, I have not tested that) |
| 04:34.57 | Gnea | abrotman: naw i only knew shitty beer - genny/jenny, labatts... |
| 04:35.00 | blahdeblah | Anyone else care to comment on the relative merits of the above-mentioned search engines? For those who've just entered: aspseek htdig mnogosearch namazu2 nms-search |
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| 04:35.15 | abrotman | Gnea: heh |
| 04:35.22 | ryan_ | blahdeblah: my lug uses mnogosearch |
| 04:36.05 | blahdeblah | ryan_: Mind sharing a link? |
| 04:36.13 | ryan_ | lugod.org |
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| 04:36.27 | ryan_ | if you wanna see it in action. |
| 04:36.59 | Gnea | abrotman: good beer in NY tended to include the beast, icehouse (that variated...), colt45, and one i cna't remember the name of right now but most people thought it tasted like piss - we didn't give a shit cuz it was good cheap beer that tasted good no matter what |
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| 04:37.19 | blahdeblah | ryan_: thanks |
| 04:37.28 | abrotman | Gnea: colt45? .. you really are redneck :) |
| 04:37.41 | Gnea | dude |
| 04:37.46 | shingouz | ryan_: would that take care of all the permissions and links too? the rsync syntax i used should be able to do it (according to the man page) |
| 04:37.48 | Gnea | i haven't had colt45 in eons |
| 04:37.53 | trig_hm | easy with the redneck comments, I like a couple of the beverages listed |
| 04:38.01 | abrotman | Gnea: heh .. neither have i |
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| 04:38.06 | Gnea | abrotman: always best as a 40oz #) |
| 04:38.15 | abrotman | Gnea: yeah .. just like high school :) |
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| 04:38.20 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:38.20 | trig_hm | the beast helped me through high shool |
| 04:38.31 | Gnea | i didn't drink much in high school |
| 04:38.43 | Gnea | it wasn't till i hit college.... |
| 04:38.45 | trig_hm | I could by a 12 pack with a couple of days of lunch money |
| 04:39.03 | abrotman | trig_hm: you're a redneck? |
| 04:39.07 | Gnea | everyone has a vice |
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| 04:39.12 | Gnea | mine was ritalin :P |
| 04:39.37 | trig_hm | abrotman: I guess you could say that. |
| 04:39.38 | Azra`el | people that medicate their children should be beaten. |
| 04:39.45 | abrotman | trig_hm: you're from Ohio! |
| 04:39.50 | stew | i wish i were medicated as a child |
| 04:39.52 | Gnea | Azra`el: why? |
| 04:40.00 | trig_hm | abrotman: no |
| 04:40.03 | trig_hm | abrotman: hell no |
| 04:40.06 | Azra`el | gnea: because it's Wrong. |
| 04:40.07 | abrotman | stew: sesame street? |
| 04:40.13 | abrotman | trig_hm: why not? |
| 04:40.13 | stew | yeah |
| 04:40.14 | Azra`el | children are SUPPOSED to be like that. |
| 04:40.21 | Gnea | Azra`el: about as wrong as smoking pot and drinking alcohol |
| 04:40.21 | trig_hm | abrotman: too far north. |
| 04:40.27 | Azra`el | drug them and you're killing them |
| 04:40.28 | pipeline | Azra`el: It's cheaper and easier to medicate them than deal with it. |
| 04:40.35 | Azra`el | pipeline, So? |
| 04:40.49 | pipeline | Azra`el: Also, there haven't really been any consistently demonstrated long-term negative effects of drugging your children to the gills. |
| 04:40.54 | Azra`el | uh |
| 04:40.57 | Azra`el | Really? |
| 04:40.58 | pipeline | Azra`el: So why SHOULDN'T you drug your children all to hell? |
| 04:41.13 | Azra`el | go talk to a highschool student that's been on ritalin for 5-6 years. |
| 04:41.15 | pipeline | Azra`el: Well, at least as far as high doses of antidepressants and amphetamines go. |
| 04:41.16 | Azra`el | then tell me it's ok |
| 04:41.29 | pipeline | *shrug* |
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| 04:41.31 | Gnea | Azra`el: ignore pipeline, he never knows wtf he's talking about - just says it to make himself look cool and get attention |
| 04:41.31 | shingouz | pipeline: why shouldnt the adults be drugged too |
| 04:41.38 | stew | yeah! |
| 04:41.41 | pipeline | shingouz: An excellent, and unanswered, question. |
| 04:41.53 | Gnea | Azra`el: i was on ritalin for 12 years |
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| 04:41.55 | Azra`el | now, if you want to drug polititians, LET'S GO |
| 04:41.58 | Azra`el | gnea: i'm sorry. |
| 04:42.02 | Gnea | Azra`el: i'm not |
| 04:42.10 | pipeline | shingouz: Ritalin's supporters like to claim it's nonaddictive. Somehow I don't believe it. :) |
| 04:42.23 | Azra`el | you would be if your mind wasn't damaged beyond recognizing the damage. =) |
| 04:42.28 | shingouz | pipeline: agreed on that :) |
| 04:42.29 | binarydigit | pipeline: if you were never on it, how would you know |
| 04:42.31 | trig_hm | Azra`el: go talk to a high school kid that's been held back a few grades cause he can't concentrate in class and I am trying to be nice, I have a daughter with a prescription. |
| 04:42.36 | Gnea | sadly, i can recognize the damage |
| 04:42.48 | Azra`el | trig: i'll break you. |
| 04:42.51 | Gnea | fortunately, i can match it in time before i go over the edge of insanity #) |
| 04:43.02 | llama32 | drugging politicians... arent they stoned enough? |
| 04:43.04 | pipeline | binarydigit: I don't. It is my suspicion that addictive effects aren't discussed very loudly because it would hurt sales. |
| 04:43.17 | abrotman | llama32: i'd like to stone a few |
| 04:43.24 | llama32 | lol |
| 04:43.27 | pipeline | binarydigit: that, and both parents AND educators like well-behaved, concentrating children. |
| 04:43.27 | Gnea | Azra`el: and what vice did you find growing up? |
| 04:44.36 | Gnea | Azra`el: from the age of 5 and on, it was all i knew - they took me to a shrink and they put me on it - shortly thereafter, got kicked out of the local church. care to do the math now? |
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| 04:45.24 | clueless | Several months ago I ripped "Rain Man" movie sound track with some program that I forgot name of. Now I have bunch of file named audio_01.wav and audio_01.inf etc. Catting the .inf files show that it has song titles in it and whole bunch of other stuffs. Are there utilities to rename these files according to what's in .inf? |
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| 04:45.49 | abrotman | clueless: programming |
| 04:45.54 | merlincorey | clueless: DIY |
| 04:45.59 | travisat | clueless: perl |
| 04:46.08 | pipeline | clueless: If the wav files have track numbers, you can use easytag. |
| 04:46.26 | abrotman | Gnea: better than tapping your beer and sipping your foot |
| 04:46.30 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:46.39 | Gnea | Azra`el needs to be beaten. |
| 04:46.40 | clueless | !dpkg easytag |
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| 04:46.54 | pipeline | clueless: Once you get easytag, use the "CDDB search" function to get new data for the tracks |
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| 04:47.54 | clueless | actually there's a file named 'audio.cddb'.... |
| 04:48.17 | Gnea | clueless: try the file command |
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| 04:48.40 | pipeline | clueless: Nobody's stopping you from parsing the text data yourself, but it'll probably be easier to use easytag to get fresh data from the CDDB |
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| 04:49.52 | clueless | pipeline: Is easytag in debian? |
| 04:50.02 | pipeline | clueless: Ys. |
| 04:50.19 | briareus | yeah i just used it |
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| 04:54.45 | abrotman | !quiet |
| 04:56.03 | _joey | I've got Sun's js2e *.bin file , how do I install it properly on Debian? |
| 04:56.10 | _joey | java it is |
| 04:56.16 | cafuego | _joey: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 04:56.22 | cafuego | !happy easter bunny |
| 04:56.22 | dpkg | EGG HUNT! |
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| 04:57.36 | Glitch_Master | Call me crazy, but I seem to be running part of KDE while in GNOME... |
| 04:57.53 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Why would that be strange? |
| 04:58.14 | sussudio | !tell cafuego about bunnies |
| 04:58.32 | _joey | thanks |
| 04:58.35 | sh0rt | anyone know how I can get klaptopdaemon to run in icewm, cant seem to find it |
| 04:58.38 | clueless | !tell clueless about bunnies |
| 04:59.00 | abrotman | !bunneh |
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| 04:59.08 | sussudio | !haasje |
| 04:59.09 | dpkg | In een groen groen groen groen knollen knollenland, daar zaten twee haasjes heel parmant. En de één die blies de luite fluite fluit en de ander sloeg de trom-mel. Toen kwam opeens een jager jagerman en die heeft er één ge-scho-ten. En dat heeft toen naar men denken denken kan, de ander zeer ver-dro-ten. |
| 04:59.09 | Glitch_Master | cafuego: They can run simultaneously without crashing into each other in some violent device-hogging nightmare? |
| 04:59.33 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Of course. This isn't windows, you know. |
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| 04:59.52 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Well, I must note it pays to make both use the same sound daemon. |
| 05:00.46 | cafuego | sussudio: At the end of the day I think it's probably best to assume a hare playing a musical instrument is not compatible with life. |
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| 05:01.09 | cafuego | And if it is, it shouldn't be. |
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| 05:01.52 | Glitch_Master | Hrm... |
| 05:02.11 | sussudio | abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bunny10.jpg < it's coming to get you |
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| 05:02.28 | Glitch_Master | Well, I'm just running Kolourpaint, because I can't get the GIMP working correctly... however, if someone would kindly join me in #flood, I have something interesting to show you. |
| 05:03.02 | abrotman | sussudio: fattest bunneh i have ever seen |
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| 05:05.04 | travisat | squirrels are worser |
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| 05:05.36 | travisat | bunnehs taste good, squirrels don't |
| 05:05.39 | abrotman | !dict worser |
| 05:05.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'worser' (4): A dreadful quiet felt, and, worser far Than arms, a sullen interval of war. --Dryden. ;; Worser \Wors"er\, a. Worse. [R.] ;; From worser thoughts which make me do amiss. --Bunyan. ;; Thou dost deserve a worser end. --Beau. & Fl.. |
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| 05:06.51 | travisat | mmbmbmbmmbmbm mbmbm mbmbmm mbmbm mbmm bmb |
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| 05:09.11 | travisat | mmmck ooo |
| 05:09.32 | Glitch_Master | Also f's and y's... |
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| 05:09.46 | Glitch_Master | Perhaps his mouth was sewn shut. o.O |
| 05:10.19 | shingouz | luckily there are no gargoyles here ;) |
| 05:10.30 | fusion | Anyone able to help me out? I had an md0 device but now it seems to have vanished. I've tried to do modprobe raid0 and then mdadm -A /dev/md0 but it always says md0 does not exist (Yes it has always been md0) |
| 05:11.02 | travisat | fusion: see #twilight_zone |
| 05:11.17 | fusion | what's that supposed to be? |
| 05:11.23 | travisat | where your md0 went |
| 05:11.26 | fusion | If you don't know how to fix it all you have to do is say |
| 05:11.42 | travisat | look I am being an asshole, ignore me |
| 05:11.46 | takatumi | coldfusion. |
| 05:11.57 | fusion | Ahh so its confirmed |
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| 05:12.02 | xoz | *explodes* |
| 05:12.04 | nvz | a clear indication that he lives in his own little world... but its ok, they know him there |
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| 05:12.20 | clueless | what GUI toolkit out there that are totally keyboard friendly? (I am not talking about just keyboard usable, like gtk...) |
| 05:12.22 | travisat | you mean we know each other |
| 05:12.33 | travisat | clueless: curses |
| 05:12.36 | nvz | clueless: curses |
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| 05:13.16 | clueless | drat! that's it? |
| 05:13.24 | xoz | !dict curses |
| 05:13.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'curses' (2): 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <270581.13621.1111814007@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "curses" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" curses ;; A set of subroutines in Unix for handling navigation on a terminal screen using the cursor.. |
| 05:13.34 | nvz | !wayttd clueless |
| 05:13.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, clueless? |
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| 05:14.56 | clueless | I found that eliminating mouse will increase productivity of typical office worker by about 20%..... |
| 05:15.13 | travisat | clueless: so eliminate the mouse, problem solved |
| 05:15.15 | takatumi | clueless: for a DE or for just one utility? |
| 05:15.30 | nvz | provided that they know how to use the system with only the keyboard |
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| 05:15.44 | travisat | they'll learn quickly |
| 05:15.54 | nvz | ion is a good wm for that stuff |
| 05:15.58 | travisat | ratpoison |
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| 05:16.12 | travisat | although i do prefer ioin |
| 05:16.20 | takatumi | ioin? |
| 05:16.22 | Glitch_Master | Hmm.. |
| 05:16.24 | clueless | nvz: that's why I need toolkit that is keyboard friendly.... current apps are rather keyboard hostile... |
| 05:16.25 | takatumi | loin |
| 05:16.29 | travisat | s/ioin/ion/ fuckers |
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| 05:16.45 | Glitch_Master | I love being blunt: " | The GIMP requires Fontconfig version 2.2.0 or later. |
| 05:16.45 | Glitch_Master | The Fontconfig version loaded by The GIMP is 1.0.2." |
| 05:16.50 | takatumi | !hump travistat |
| 05:17.01 | Glitch_Master | Where can I get such a lib? |
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| 05:17.24 | Glitch_Master | (Random instance of laziness. Sorry.) |
| 05:17.27 | johntramp | hey what does this mean, from knoppix std: 02.Feb.2005 - a new version of STD will be released by end Q1 2005 |
| 05:17.32 | johntramp | what is Q1 ?? |
| 05:17.32 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 05:17.32 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 05:17.42 | nvz | johntramp: ask in #knoppix |
| 05:17.43 | abrotman | !knoppix is also Please go to #knoppix |
| 05:17.44 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 05:17.51 | takatumi | johntramp: 1st Quarter |
| 05:17.59 | johntramp | thanks takatumi :) |
| 05:18.02 | travisat | new stds? |
| 05:18.14 | abrotman | !std |
| 05:18.21 | abrotman | wow . dpkg is a virgin |
| 05:18.24 | torham | i will have to remember to wear a condom |
| 05:18.25 | nvz | heh |
| 05:18.26 | takatumi | heh |
| 05:18.32 | nvz | dpkg, sex? |
| 05:18.32 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 05:18.36 | nvz | er |
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| 05:18.40 | nvz | dpkg, gender? |
| 05:18.40 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 05:18.49 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 05:18.49 | dpkg | somebody said useless factoids was Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
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| 05:18.51 | nvz | sometimes you can get it to say its a virgin |
| 05:18.56 | travisat | dpkg: so how do you hump legs |
| 05:18.58 | abrotman | travisat: yes .. god will get you! |
| 05:18.59 | takatumi | !abrotman |
| 05:18.59 | dpkg | i heard abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 05:19.04 | Azra`el | !leg |
| 05:19.10 | nvz | yay! quick use more useless factoids |
| 05:19.11 | Azra`el | !hump |
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| 05:19.17 | funky | hi |
| 05:19.20 | Azra`el | !hump travisat |
| 05:19.24 | funky | how can i now what packages arent been upgraded ? |
| 05:19.29 | travisat | damnit he already is!!111 |
| 05:19.29 | funky | know* |
| 05:19.31 | abrotman | funky: huh? |
| 05:19.36 | abrotman | aren't being? |
| 05:19.36 | funky | 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 05:19.40 | abrotman | funky: -u |
| 05:19.43 | abrotman | apt-get -u upgrade |
| 05:19.52 | abrotman | or dist-upgrade .. whatever you are doing |
| 05:19.53 | funky | abrotman: thanks, sorry for my english, being :)) |
| 05:21.05 | clueless | by eliminating mouse, we can give office workers smaller desk... which means less real estate, which is very expensive here in Northern NJ... |
| 05:21.23 | abrotman | clueless: that's a bit far fetched |
| 05:21.35 | abrotman | clueless: but lots of space on chemical row! |
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| 05:22.39 | abrotman | travisat: compared to where you live? |
| 05:22.42 | takatumi | clueless: maybe look at ion and look at key bindings. |
| 05:22.57 | travisat | tennessee is nice, as long as you avoid the hill-people |
| 05:23.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:23.16 | pipeline | translation: as long as you are white |
| 05:23.28 | pipeline | ...and speak english like a native |
| 05:23.34 | pipeline | ...like a native midwesterner |
| 05:24.11 | funky | abrotman: now... how can i know why a package is being kept back ? |
| 05:24.25 | travisat | now I'll be cornswaggled if I is goin ta admit that there statement of yours |
| 05:24.25 | abrotman | funky: did you run upgrade or dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:24.37 | funky | abrotman: I did apt-get -u upgrade |
| 05:24.41 | clueless | abrotman: it's not far fetched.... management is seriously looking at the possibilities. They are thinking of migrating app with 3 million lines of code to linux b/c mouse less desktop is impossible with windoze.... |
| 05:24.51 | funky | abrotman: i gonna do a dist-upgrade |
| 05:24.57 | abrotman | funky: because it won't install new packages .. dist-upgrade will |
| 05:25.07 | Xenguy | . o O (what was that... somethin' about duelin' bangos?) |
| 05:25.09 | abrotman | clueless: how far north? |
| 05:25.10 | travisat | clueless: you don't really need a mouse with windows either |
| 05:25.20 | pipeline | clueless: One word: Mousekeys. |
| 05:25.25 | funky | abrotman: dist-upgrade is the same |
| 05:25.37 | abrotman | funky: apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 05:25.50 | funky | same |
| 05:25.59 | abrotman | funky: are you running sarge? |
| 05:26.08 | takatumi | this whole story sounds loony, mouseless desktops to save deskspace and real estate costs. |
| 05:26.11 | clueless | abrotman: 10 mile west of george washington bridge. |
| 05:26.12 | travisat | Xenguy: that movie scares the shit out of me....I live about an hour from where it is supposed to take place |
| 05:26.20 | funky | abrotman: no, really im running ubuntu, and yesterday i upgraded to hoary |
| 05:26.29 | Xenguy | travisat: heh - bend over :P |
| 05:26.30 | abrotman | clueless: like .. right off 87? |
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| 05:26.38 | pipeline | takatumi: Sounds like the telemarketting industry. |
| 05:26.38 | travisat | !ubuntu |
| 05:26.39 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 05:26.41 | abrotman | funky: you'd have to ask #ubuntu |
| 05:26.49 | abrotman | !held back |
| 05:26.49 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 05:26.49 | clueless | takatumi: it's not just real estate.... |
| 05:26.50 | funky | abrotman: i did it, no reponses |
| 05:26.51 | takatumi | pipeline: hmm.. |
| 05:27.05 | pipeline | funky: I suggest you install debian sarge http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:27.13 | funky | pipeline: im thinking about it |
| 05:27.15 | clueless | abrotman: more like right off 80 |
| 05:27.15 | travisat | funky: make sure you went to #ubuntu and not #unbuntu |
| 05:27.15 | pipeline | funky: It uses the same installer as ubuntu. A monkey pressing enter could get it onto the hard drive. |
| 05:27.28 | abrotman | clueless: ah .. i've driven up that way |
| 05:27.29 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 05:27.36 | funky | pipeline: really i am a gentoo user since 2 years, but i dont want to burn my laptop compiling |
| 05:28.10 | travisat | I got 2nd degree burns when I tried gentoo on my laptop |
| 05:28.12 | takatumi | funky: that exactly was the reason I shifted from gentoo. |
| 05:28.18 | pipeline | funky: I think you will find that Debian is a great deal more elegant than Gentoo. They put a lot more work into the package tree than Gentoo's developers do ebuilds. (that, and there's a lot more software available) |
| 05:28.37 | funky | pipeline: no time to distro flame |
| 05:29.10 | takatumi | !gentoosmite funky |
| 05:29.12 | abrotman | !flame |
| 05:29.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flame is something people do on newsgroups or irc or when they yell at each other |
| 05:29.19 | funky | takatumi: lol |
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| 05:29.47 | funky | i love be 0.8% more quick than rest =) |
| 05:30.03 | funky | faster* |
| 05:30.04 | travisat | but we already got there 7 weeks ago |
| 05:30.10 | llama32 | how do i find my UID? |
| 05:30.18 | takatumi | funky: compile away, you'll probably even end up sterile. |
| 05:30.26 | clueless | echo $UID |
| 05:30.33 | funky | X)) |
| 05:30.35 | llama32 | thanks clueless |
| 05:30.49 | pipeline | funky: There's not much room for it anyway. This is #debian, I'm free to trash all hell out of other distributions so long as I praise Debian sunup to sundown :P |
| 05:30.53 | takatumi | funky: which lappy? |
| 05:31.08 | travisat | !advocacy troll |
| 05:31.08 | dpkg | well, advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 05:31.10 | Xenguy | pipeline: heh |
| 05:31.13 | funky | takatumi: a crappy airis |
| 05:31.22 | abrotman | i'd like an heiress |
| 05:31.37 | takatumi | or a hairless cat. |
| 05:31.50 | travisat | and call him ren |
| 05:31.59 | abrotman | you mean stimpy? |
| 05:31.59 | takatumi | no call him pussy |
| 05:32.01 | abrotman | ren was a dog |
| 05:32.12 | travisat | damn that was so long ago |
| 05:32.13 | abrotman | but stimpy wasn't hairless |
| 05:32.18 | travisat | shut up |
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| 05:32.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 05:32.28 | abrotman | because i'm right? |
| 05:32.31 | travisat | yes!! |
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| 05:32.46 | abrotman | you have no idea how much pot i smoked before i watched ren and stimpy :) |
| 05:33.12 | clueless | ren and stimpy cures pot smoking??? |
| 05:33.12 | abrotman | god . that's a long time ago |
| 05:33.12 | markc | is there a doc/url somewhere about udev and debian ? |
| 05:33.14 | takatumi | you should get high and watch up in smoke. |
| 05:33.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 05:33.23 | abrotman | ren and stimpy rules! |
| 05:33.24 | travisat | shrooms make tv even better |
| 05:33.43 | pipeline | clueless, abrotman: Cures, encourages, whatever. |
| 05:33.46 | Xenguy | travisat: either that or you sit there, appalled ;-) |
| 05:33.53 | pipeline | abrotman: Ever seen it uncensored? It wasn't meant to be a children's show. |
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| 05:34.22 | Glitch_Master | Hrm.. |
| 05:34.28 | abrotman | pipeline: i know ... |
| 05:34.36 | markc | debian + udev anyone ? |
| 05:34.38 | Glitch_Master | I'll just be ceasing to exist, then. |
| 05:34.48 | travisat | markc: yes....... |
| 05:34.48 | takatumi | markc: are you selling? |
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| 05:34.58 | pipeline | markc: The trail of tears ;_; |
| 05:35.05 | markc | debian + udev url/doc ? |
| 05:35.09 | merlincorey | travisat: shrooms show you how annoying and horrid TV is |
| 05:35.09 | abrotman | markc: mine works fine :) |
| 05:35.18 | Nexus | Ok. I just spent hours and hours transfering my hard drive from one sata to an ata drive. The kernel is all messed up though. How do I get a new kernel in debian? |
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| 05:35.32 | takatumi | markc: tried google? it just works for some, fucks up royally elsewhere. |
| 05:35.33 | markc | pipeline> does that mean debian is not udev ready yet ? |
| 05:35.34 | clueless | I head lookking at tft sceen while smoking a joint can be interesting.... |
| 05:35.35 | abrotman | Nexus: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:35.36 | travisat | merlincorey: not really, at least not for me and cartoons |
| 05:35.45 | abrotman | markc: mine really does work |
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| 05:35.59 | markc | takatumi> no official docs anywhere ? |
| 05:36.03 | travisat | !udev |
| 05:36.03 | dpkg | [udev] at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 05:36.22 | Nexus | abrotman, So I just need to apt-get the kernel image and that's it? |
| 05:36.30 | abrotman | Nexus: assuming it works :) |
| 05:36.35 | abrotman | Nexus: but that's how i get mine |
| 05:36.49 | markc | hmm, so nothing udev specific for debian then ? |
| 05:37.00 | travisat | markc: google debian udev? |
| 05:37.03 | takatumi | markc: I use udev, it just works, haven't fiddled with anything. |
| 05:37.32 | takatumi | markc: although I've heard stories of machine not booting due to disappearing /devs |
| 05:37.46 | takatumi | s/ne/nes |
| 05:37.46 | markc | travisat> but I was hoping for some offical docs at say debian.org or something |
| 05:37.47 | johntramp | can gnome toaster be used to burn cd images? |
| 05:38.02 | takatumi | johntramp: #knoppix |
| 05:38.13 | funky | lol |
| 05:38.14 | travisat | gnome toaster? whats that |
| 05:38.20 | merlincorey | how do you know he is on knoppix? |
| 05:38.22 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 05:38.27 | johntramp | :p |
| 05:38.36 | abrotman | he told us about 29 minutes ago |
| 05:38.43 | johntramp | no I didn't |
| 05:38.44 | takatumi | merlincorey: 08:17:34 johntramp | hey what does this mean, from knoppix std: 02.Feb.2005 - a new version of STD |
| 05:38.45 | travisat | johntramp: just use cdrecord |
| 05:38.49 | markc | fark, I think I better stick with gentoo |
| 05:38.59 | travisat | markc: why? you don't need udeb |
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| 05:39.10 | travisat | s/udeb/udev/ |
| 05:39.19 | clueless | STD = sexually transmitted disease??? |
| 05:39.21 | abrotman | the gnome meta package requires some package that requires udev |
| 05:39.38 | funky | gnome-vfs maybe |
| 05:39.39 | johntramp | takatumi:- I was just wanting to know when that release date was, never did I say anything about I was running knoppix |
| 05:39.51 | takatumi | gnome-volume-manager -> hal -> udev |
| 05:39.58 | markc | travisat> why? .. because udev on gentoo has docs and works |
| 05:40.03 | takatumi | johntramp: I am sure you are. |
| 05:40.07 | johntramp | clueless:- security tools distro |
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| 05:40.26 | johntramp | takatumi:- that isnt even a distro that you would use as a desktop pc |
| 05:40.47 | johntramp | and I am not wanting distro speciffic help |
| 05:40.55 | travisat | markc: udev works for me....its just the rare few that it totally borks, just like happens on gentoo...it doesn't work all the time for it either. if udev works for gentoo it probably will work for debian |
| 05:40.57 | takatumi | johntramp: cdrecord, k3b |
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| 05:41.14 | merlincorey | takatumi: good eye |
| 05:41.14 | johntramp | takatumi:- I would use k3b but it keeps crashing |
| 05:41.24 | merlincorey | johntramp: then stop using krappix |
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| 05:41.30 | travisat | johntramp: man cdrecord |
| 05:41.32 | funky | johntramp: learn cdrecord |
| 05:41.35 | takatumi | johntramp: just use cdrecord then. it works fine. |
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| 05:41.58 | travisat | most cd burning apps for linux are just front-ends to cdrecord |
| 05:41.59 | markc | travisat> googling for debian+udev is not getting me a specific set of packages to install |
| 05:42.08 | travisat | markc: just apt-get install udev |
| 05:42.11 | fooz | heh |
| 05:42.28 | fooz | markc, debian's got depdencies, and apt-get will pull the correct dependencies in automatically |
| 05:42.35 | takatumi | markc: this is the only package I have, ii udev 0.050-5 /dev/ management daemon |
| 05:43.31 | nvz | cmd: yinzersmite =~ s/mile an ahr/mallanar/ |
| 05:43.37 | nvz | !cmd: yinzersmite =~ s/mile an ahr/mallanar/ |
| 05:43.45 | takatumi | oh come on mallanar? |
| 05:43.47 | clueless | !tulip |
| 05:43.47 | dpkg | methinks tulip is at http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html or http://www.bmen.tulane.edu/~siekas/tulip.html, (or ask me about 2.2 tulip) |
| 05:43.54 | markc | takatumi> that's it's all.. done that but sure 'nuf I got no devices on reboot, that's why I'm hoping to read some guidelines as to what else to do |
| 05:43.57 | abrotman | !cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/mile an ahr/mallanar/ |
| 05:44.05 | abrotman | dpkg: screw you |
| 05:44.05 | dpkg | no thanks |
| 05:44.10 | nvz | takatumi: thats how they say it, I just messed up |
| 05:44.17 | funky | markc: do you have devfs support in your kernel ? you should drop it |
| 05:44.24 | takatumi | markc: checked bts? |
| 05:44.27 | abrotman | !literal cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 05:44.27 | dpkg | CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> (runsover $1, wif an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mile an ahr.|pooshes $1 aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |pahds $1 fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.) |
| 05:44.32 | clueless | !blacktulip |
| 05:44.58 | markc | funky> devfs totally blated... I think that's my problem though |
| 05:45.01 | abrotman | dpkg: cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/mile an ahr/mallanar/ |
| 05:45.01 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 05:45.02 | Nexus | abrotman, So these kernel-images should detect all your hardware automatically? |
| 05:45.04 | abrotman | nvz: yay |
| 05:45.08 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.15 | abrotman | Nexus: with discover hopefully |
| 05:45.20 | markc | takatumi> bts ? |
| 05:45.31 | travisat | !bts |
| 05:45.31 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 05:45.41 | Nexus | abrotman, Hmm. I just installed one, but when I went to use it, it freaked out about /dev/hda1 |
| 05:45.51 | takatumi | markc: although last I checked there weren't any open bugs on udev and wondered why nobody files one. |
| 05:46.02 | markc | oh that thing... but you need a login/password crap |
| 05:46.11 | takatumi | markc: no you don't |
| 05:46.12 | abrotman | Nexus: define .. freaked out |
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| 05:46.29 | travisat | !dict freaked out |
| 05:46.31 | dpkg | could not find definition for freaked out |
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| 05:46.40 | funky | !dict freak |
| 05:46.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'freak' (2 of 4): . Freak \Freak\, n. [Prob. from OE. frek bold, AS. frec bold, greedly; akin to OHG. freh greedly, G. frech insolent, Icel. frekr greedy, Goth. fa['i]hufriks avaricious.] A sudden causeless change or turn of the mind; a whim of fancy; a capricious prank; a vagary or caprice. ;; Freaked with many a mingled hue. --Thomson.. |
| 05:46.49 | travisat | !dict out |
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| 05:46.55 | dpkg | Dictionary 'out' (4 of 110): . Out \Out\, v. i. To come or go out; to get out or away; to become public. ``Truth will out.'' --Shak. ;; 2. To roll or carry smoothly on, or as on, wheels; as, we were bowled rapidly along the road. ;; 3. To impose upon; to trick; to deceive; to make a fool of; to cheat. [Slang] --Dickens. ;; 3. To pelt or strike with anything rolled.. |
| 05:47.06 | funky | !merge freak out |
| 05:47.08 | takatumi | travisat: /msg the bots please. |
| 05:47.13 | clueless | !dict cwm |
| 05:47.15 | dpkg | could not find definition for cwm |
| 05:47.27 | travisat | !udevsmite markc |
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| 05:48.06 | SerajewelKS | is it possible yet to run eclipse on sarge? |
| 05:48.13 | funky | SerajewelKS: hi |
| 05:48.14 | travisat | SerajewelKS: I believe so |
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| 05:48.18 | markc | travisat> what's that supposed to mean ? |
| 05:48.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: works for me |
| 05:48.31 | travisat | markc: uh nothing, nothing at all |
| 05:48.35 | SerajewelKS | i mean from debian packages |
| 05:48.43 | travisat | SerajewelKS: apt-get install eclipse? |
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| 05:48.48 | markc | is there some kind of debian wiki around ? |
| 05:48.58 | abrotman | !wiki |
| 05:48.59 | SerajewelKS | travisat, the only eclipse i can find is in unstable |
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| 05:49.03 | abrotman | !faq |
| 05:49.03 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:49.23 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 05:49.25 | avu | wiki.debian.net also exists and is partialy quite nice |
| 05:49.26 | Gron | ok im looking for a way to the horde mail folder to another folder labeled webmail, can anyone help me out with this? |
| 05:50.20 | markc | avu> thanks, that other one is rather... pink |
| 05:50.27 | clueless | the info you get by !tulip is outdated... the 2nd link no longer works. |
| 05:51.01 | travisat | SerajewelKS: doh, I installed the unstable one I think |
| 05:51.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i downloaded it from eclipse.org .. used java-package .. ran eclipse |
| 05:52.42 | SerajewelKS | travisat, did you do it with apt-get, and if so, how? |
| 05:52.47 | guk | how do I find out how to remove these "zombie" process's ? |
| 05:52.57 | funky | guk: is not possible |
| 05:53.02 | guk | oh ? |
| 05:53.13 | guk | okay ... then i'll leave them sleep ... they look happy |
| 05:54.17 | travisat | SerajewelKS: I am running a mix of testing and unstable, I just add a -t unstable to apt-get when I install unstable packages |
| 05:54.30 | SerajewelKS | ahh, thanks for the tip |
| 05:54.34 | travisat | SerajewelKS: you do have do do some stuff to get that work though |
| 05:54.37 | SerajewelKS | so do you need unstable in apt.sources? |
| 05:54.41 | markc | bah, nothing about how to install eduv on either of those wikis |
| 05:55.04 | funky | markc: just apt-get install udev, no more actions are needed |
| 05:55.06 | travisat | SerajewelKS: yes and pin the testing higher than unstable, so you have to intentionally install unstable packages |
| 05:55.38 | SerajewelKS | so now i get to wait 20 minutes for a package update instead of 10 >_< |
| 05:55.39 | abrotman | why do you people make me stay up this late! |
| 05:55.51 | travisat | its just 12:55 |
| 05:55.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i downloaded it from eclipse.org .. used java-package .. ran eclipse |
| 05:56.02 | SerajewelKS | yes i saw that, abrotman |
| 05:56.06 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: on sarge |
| 05:56.08 | SerajewelKS | i prefer to use debian packages if possible |
| 05:56.18 | travisat | SerajewelKS: unless you really want the mix java-package makes it into a deb |
| 05:56.19 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what version of eclipse is in unstable? |
| 05:56.25 | abrotman | !info eclipse-platform sid |
| 05:56.26 | dpkg | eclipse-platform: (Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop any language), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 26120 kB, Installed size: 33425 kB |
| 05:56.32 | abrotman | yeah .. the super old version |
| 05:56.36 | abrotman | i'd get my own |
| 05:56.49 | SerajewelKS | mmm |
| 05:56.51 | travisat | if I used it often I would to |
| 05:56.52 | abrotman | what's out now ? ... 3.1? |
| 05:56.56 | abrotman | too |
| 05:57.27 | travisat | in fact I think i will right now |
| 05:57.40 | SerajewelKS | what do i need to use the JDT? |
| 05:57.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if you unzip it .. you just put the eclipse in your $HOME .. easy to clean up |
| 05:57.55 | abrotman | JDT? |
| 05:58.02 | abrotman | is that even released yet? |
| 05:58.04 | SerajewelKS | Java Development Tools |
| 05:58.09 | SerajewelKS | i think so |
| 05:58.12 | travisat | abrotman: just 83 megs of download |
| 05:58.13 | abrotman | you sure? |
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| 05:59.07 | SerajewelKS | mmm |
| 05:59.13 | SerajewelKS | so what's the point of eclipse if it can't do java yet |
| 05:59.18 | abrotman | it does do java |
| 05:59.25 | abrotman | JDT is more than just java |
| 05:59.37 | SerajewelKS | okay so |
| 05:59.43 | SerajewelKS | what do i need to download to get java support |
| 05:59.48 | travisat | java |
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| 06:00.03 | SerajewelKS | not that kind of java support |
| 06:00.10 | SerajewelKS | eclipse java development support |
| 06:00.14 | SerajewelKS | does that come with the eclipse sdk? |
| 06:00.17 | travisat | it should work out of the box |
| 06:00.32 | abrotman | you can develop full java apps with eclipse .. out of the box |
| 06:00.41 | SerajewelKS | cool |
| 06:00.46 | travisat | SerajewelKS: are you doing major java work, or just learning it? |
| 06:00.48 | abrotman | well .. afaik . i'm not a java pro :) |
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| 06:00.54 | SerajewelKS | travisat, both |
| 06:01.02 | travisat | SerajewelKS: I suggest drjava |
| 06:01.05 | SerajewelKS | right now i am using ant and vim |
| 06:01.11 | travisat | its a little cleaner |
| 06:01.15 | abrotman | i think ant support is built it |
| 06:01.17 | abrotman | err built in |
| 06:01.46 | SerajewelKS | drjava isn't for newbies, is it? |
| 06:01.47 | mlalkaka | what does "rc" stand for? i see it a lot in the linux world (.bashrc rcS.d, etc) |
| 06:01.51 | travisat | SerajewelKS: sort of |
| 06:01.53 | SerajewelKS | resource, afaik |
| 06:02.12 | abrotman | release candidate |
| 06:02.14 | travisat | thats why I asked if you were learning it |
| 06:02.23 | SerajewelKS | bash release candidate? |
| 06:02.33 | SerajewelKS | i'm learning the API, kind of |
| 06:02.36 | travisat | its java support is better than vim |
| 06:02.39 | SerajewelKS | i know the language fairly well |
| 06:02.46 | SerajewelKS | what i'm really looking for |
| 06:02.49 | travisat | ahh, then eclipse might be what you want |
| 06:02.57 | SerajewelKS | is something that will load the right page in the API when i hit F1 |
| 06:03.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: also . i think there is a #eclipse |
| 06:03.09 | SerajewelKS | and/or do popup completion |
| 06:03.26 | SerajewelKS | or is that more in the realm of the JDT |
| 06:04.15 | travisat | dunno I never looked for those features, however there are a plethora of java editors, I am sure on will have it |
| 06:04.31 | SerajewelKS | yeah but free, and linux? |
| 06:04.52 | travisat | most are java programs |
| 06:05.32 | SerajewelKS | okay well i'm gonna download now |
| 06:05.37 | SerajewelKS | g'night and thanks |
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| 06:06.35 | BrittMan914 | hello |
| 06:07.02 | BrittMan914 | k |
| 06:07.30 | travisat | bye |
| 06:08.55 | markc | what is the "make kernel" package called ? |
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| 06:09.20 | travisat | markc: kernel-package |
| 06:09.33 | markc | travisat> thank you |
| 06:10.34 | polok | what's the package that contains the C/C++ library man pages? |
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| 06:13.48 | caphuso | polok: manpages-dev, but i don't think you get a lot of C++ stuff |
| 06:15.04 | markc | hmm, grub support looks tricky with make-kpkg.. I give up, I'll stick to gentoo |
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| 06:15.23 | polok | caphuso: whichever is fine |
| 06:15.31 | polok | as long as I can man most things for C |
| 06:16.13 | Brill | hi friends |
| 06:16.15 | caphuso | yeah, reading /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz is certainly too tricky for the typical gentoo user |
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| 06:16.58 | caphuso | OTOH, it's an idiot less in out community, so that's probably a good thing... |
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| 06:20.19 | mlalkaka | is there a way to backup my current runlevel setup? |
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| 06:20.35 | rob^ | bah stupid java plugin crashing my firefox |
| 06:20.36 | caphuso | mlalkaka: copy /etc/rc?.d/ to some place save |
| 06:20.54 | gmike | hello everybody and good morning |
| 06:20.57 | mlalkaka | i want to make a runlevel which is exactly like the debian runlevel 2 except without X server running |
| 06:21.15 | _joey | is there any way to access dvd wr on another host over tcp/ip ? |
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| 06:21.29 | travisat | rob^: make sure you used the right plugin, one crashes the other works |
| 06:21.46 | caphuso | mlalkaka: simply delete the S?dm symlink in the appropriate /etc/rc?.d/ directory |
| 06:21.47 | gmike | newbie here |
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| 06:22.03 | rob^ | travisat, where can I get the right plugin? I just got the one off the java page. |
| 06:22.03 | caphuso | err, S99?dm symlink |
| 06:22.19 | travisat | rob^: in you java install directory |
| 06:22.54 | mlalkaka | caphuso, but if i just stop running my dm (gdm in my case), wouldn't the X server still be running? |
| 06:23.05 | caphuso | mlalkaka: huh? |
| 06:23.11 | travisat | mlalkaka: killing the dm stops X |
| 06:23.23 | travisat | mlalkaka: killall gdm kills X |
| 06:23.32 | mlalkaka | travisat, oh. and starting the gdm starts X? |
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| 06:23.41 | travisat | mlalkaka: yes |
| 06:23.54 | gmike | need some help |
| 06:24.32 | travisat | damn its 1:30 in the morning here |
| 06:24.34 | mlalkaka | travisat, then what's is the xfree86-common service? it's in my rcS.d |
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| 06:25.37 | rob^ | hmm.. it seems only root can use the jit plugin |
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| 06:25.46 | britt | why does sarge only go to runlevel 2? |
| 06:26.47 | mlalkaka | caphuso, what about processes such as xfs and xfs-tt? will they also stop when i close gdm? |
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| 06:26.56 | caphuso | mlalkaka: no |
| 06:27.04 | caphuso | mlalkaka: why are you even running those? |
| 06:27.22 | caphuso | britt: because you didn't boot into one of the others |
| 06:27.24 | rob^ | what does the java plugin for firefox need to access? |
| 06:27.25 | mlalkaka | caphuso, what do you mean? don't i have to run them if i want fonts and truetype fonts? |
| 06:27.33 | caphuso | mlalkaka: nope |
| 06:27.40 | j0k3r | britt: did you set the default runlevel in inittab ? |
| 06:27.43 | mlalkaka | caphuso, then what are they used for? |
| 06:27.54 | caphuso | mlalkaka: they're font servers |
| 06:28.06 | caphuso | they serve fonts... |
| 06:28.08 | mlalkaka | caphuso, yes but what do they do? |
| 06:28.14 | britt | j0k3r: by default mine always just went to runlevel 2 |
| 06:28.14 | mlalkaka | caphuso, to who? |
| 06:28.20 | gmike | i am lost again in another irc |
| 06:28.27 | caphuso | mlalkaka: clients |
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| 06:28.34 | j0k3r | britt: you need to change this in inittab |
| 06:28.37 | caphuso | britt: obviously |
| 06:28.48 | britt | but i dont even care which one it goes to....just as long as i get my console |
| 06:28.53 | caphuso | since that's what the policy mandates for a default installation |
| 06:29.05 | j0k3r | :\ |
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| 06:29.21 | mlalkaka | caphuso, so aren't i an X client, as well as an X server? dont i require those for the X server to support/provide truetype fonts? |
| 06:29.34 | Gumby | trying to set up sarge on an old laptop. cdrom doesnt seem to be working so I installed onto the HDD from a USB cable and then transfered the drive over to the laptop afterwards. I am a kernel panic on bood due to "pivot_root: no such file or directory". Can anyone offer any suggestions |
| 06:29.55 | caphuso | mlalkaka: it's 2005. xfree86 has builtin support for truetype fonts for several years now |
| 06:30.43 | caphuso | and as long as you're not going to serve fonts from a centralized box to other machines in your network, you don't need a font server. and you sure as hell don't need two of them |
| 06:30.44 | j0k3r | britt: edit (and read) the inittab than set the default runlevel to whatever you want |
| 06:30.51 | gmike | guys i am having problem login as root, i need help |
| 06:30.52 | britt | j0k3r: thanks |
| 06:31.14 | caphuso | britt: keep in mind that changing the default runlevel is a noop unless you customize the one you choose |
| 06:31.33 | j0k3r | caphuso: too late :) |
| 06:32.18 | pulu | Gumby: watch the bootup to see if the controller/hard drive is detected, also if you ran lilo on the drive from another computer make sure your conf was set up right (to write the boot sector to a drive in the one location, but specify boot on the drive as it will appear in it's new location) |
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| 06:32.48 | gmike | how does a newbie get attention here? |
| 06:33.04 | caphuso | gmike: by asking proper questions |
| 06:33.16 | mlalkaka | caphuso, oh. lol i didn't know that. so i can uninstall the packages that provide xfs, xfstt, xfs-xtt? what about xprint? |
| 06:33.20 | clueless | gmike: it depends on what kind of attention. |
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| 06:33.31 | caphuso | mlalkaka: do you use xprint? |
| 06:33.44 | gmike | i did ask already, unless it is not proper |
| 06:34.03 | caphuso | !tell gmike -about smart questions |
| 06:34.05 | gmike | i greeted and ask for help |
| 06:34.07 | TBBle | gmike: And that question was answered. |
| 06:34.09 | pulu | gmike: do you want to login as root but you can't, or do you want to not login as root but you can? |
| 06:34.17 | j0k3r | gmike: why don't you say what is going on ? |
| 06:34.20 | gmike | yes |
| 06:34.29 | live | scrre |
| 06:34.40 | mlalkaka | caphuso, i've never used it directly. but it says that it can be used by applications, and says it works with mozilla. i use mozilla and firefox, so i guess, indirectly, i'm using it. |
| 06:34.42 | gmike | kdm/gdm says root login is allowed |
| 06:35.01 | caphuso | mlalkaka: so... what you think, can you remove it? |
| 06:35.13 | Gumby | pulu: I edited grubs menu.lst to boot from /dev/hda1 and I still get the same error. Is there any way to boot from floppies and see what device the drive actually is? |
| 06:35.29 | gmike | at login screen it can only allow my other user but not root |
| 06:35.39 | mlalkaka | caphuso, probably not. sry i'm still quite a newbie when it comes to linux |
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| 06:35.55 | kenboo | it's not recommended to login as root. |
| 06:36.09 | gmike | but i need to login s root |
| 06:36.14 | live | screen does not fit in my tv using debian in xbox help please |
| 06:36.20 | gmike | i am awar of the danger |
| 06:36.22 | kenboo | why not su ? |
| 06:36.22 | caphuso | gmike: no, you don't |
| 06:36.24 | pulu | Gumby: the net install disks had a shell i think, not 100% sure... |
| 06:36.25 | rixth_ | live, WAHT VERSION OF XBOX DO YOU HAVE? |
| 06:36.32 | rixth_ | caps* |
| 06:36.46 | gmike | i sure do |
| 06:36.52 | caphuso | gmike: no, you don't |
| 06:37.04 | rixth_ | Whats the command to start the mplayer gui? |
| 06:37.06 | live | 16 |
| 06:37.10 | gmike | i just want the option back because it has been there |
| 06:37.13 | caphuso | rixth_: gmplayer |
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| 06:37.23 | mutek | rixth_: gmplayer - if you compiled it in |
| 06:37.25 | live | v1.6 |
| 06:37.35 | gmike | after installing kde 3.4 i have this problem |
| 06:37.38 | b0nn | hi all |
| 06:37.57 | b0nn | I'm trying to set up a mail server and am having trouble with mailscanner |
| 06:38.02 | j0k3r | gmike: take a look at the kdm config file... |
| 06:38.13 | gmike | i also have the problem rebooting/halt, it asks for root passwd |
| 06:38.13 | sekio | b0nn: what's the trouble? |
| 06:38.16 | rixth_ | live, mine was 1.1, I have to change something in the display configureation file via ftp. |
| 06:38.25 | j0k3r | what you need is certainly there |
| 06:38.38 | b0nn | the error I get is run_mailscanner:command not found |
| 06:38.40 | gmike | jok3r how do i find that |
| 06:38.58 | live | i downlo the iso an iam runnig from cd |
| 06:39.08 | sekio | b0nn: is mailscanner installed? |
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| 06:39.19 | gmike | just type kdm config? |
| 06:39.19 | b0nn | via apt-get |
| 06:39.25 | sekio | b0nn: yes |
| 06:39.27 | Jacobo221 | where can i view the vitality of a package? |
| 06:39.34 | b0nn | thats how I installed it |
| 06:39.34 | Blu3Fr0g | whats the differece between kdm and xdm? |
| 06:39.40 | j0k3r | gmike: nop... wait a minute... |
| 06:39.42 | rixth_ | How can I re-set my time zone? |
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| 06:39.47 | caphuso | Blu3Fr0g: the so called "look and feel" |
| 06:39.55 | caphuso | rixth_: tzconfig |
| 06:40.00 | sekio | b0nn: ls /usr/bin/*mailscanner* |
| 06:40.11 | sekio | look at the output |
| 06:40.14 | gmike | jok3r> okay |
| 06:40.21 | rixth_ | caphuso, thanks |
| 06:40.29 | b0nn | no such file or directory |
| 06:40.32 | Blu3Fr0g | anything I screw up or make the wrong choice during install can be fixed later right? :D |
| 06:40.47 | kenboo | task-sel or something |
| 06:40.47 | b0nn | so it hasnt installed correctly :\ |
| 06:40.49 | live | do i hav to run fro cd all the time? |
| 06:41.05 | kenboo | Blu3Fr0g, tasksel |
| 06:41.21 | live | ? |
| 06:41.22 | b0nn | it is however in /usr/sbin |
| 06:41.40 | sekio | b0nn: su root |
| 06:41.49 | sekio | b0nn: then run run_mailscanner |
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| 06:42.30 | b0nn | command not found |
| 06:42.32 | j0k3r | gmike: my system is a lfs, so my files are store at diferent locations |
| 06:42.52 | j0k3r | gmike: try a "find / -name kdmrc" |
| 06:43.24 | live | Hw do i us modzilla/ |
| 06:43.54 | sekio | live: get a command shell, type 'mozilla', press enter |
| 06:44.07 | j0k3r | gmike: read the content and change what you need... i usualy dont do this... |
| 06:44.35 | sekio | b0nn: su root and run mailscanner |
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| 06:45.09 | wilbertoki | is there any way to view the speed of a cp copy? |
| 06:45.10 | b0nn | Could not open config file /opt/mailscanner/etc/mailscanner.conf, No such file or directory at /usr/share/mailscanner/logger.pl line 60 |
| 06:45.27 | j0k3r | wilbertoki: time cp ... |
| 06:45.27 | Blu3Fr0g | anyone want to recommend a good beginner linux book? |
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| 06:45.31 | kenboo | wilbertoki, time? tho it's not speed |
| 06:45.42 | live | i am runing on a cd |
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| 06:45.59 | wilbertoki | im copying a lot of files to an external 250 gig western digital and I am so curious as to how fast it is going |
| 06:46.42 | kenboo | wilbertoki, you'll be disappointed...cp is slow... ;-) |
| 06:46.49 | antismurff | linux for dumies is good beginer book |
| 06:46.53 | karsten | wilbertoki: iostat |
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| 06:47.43 | wilbertoki | kenboo: what methods are faster for copying files? |
| 06:47.58 | kenboo | wilbertoki, use tar if possible. tar cf - from_dir | (cd to_dir && tar xf - ) |
| 06:47.58 | wilbertoki | kenboo: I missed the wink |
| 06:48.25 | wilbertoki | kenboo: oh you werent being sarcastic, cp really is slow |
| 06:49.01 | b0nn | should I symlink /etc/mailscanner/mailscanner.conf to /opt/mailscanner/etc/mailscanner.conf? |
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| 06:49.22 | rixth_ | I configure MPlayer with ./configure --enable-gui but still, when I enter gmaplery, it says command ot found. |
| 06:49.39 | caphuso | rixth_: try gmplayer instead |
| 06:49.44 | b0nn | er, theres no /opt/mailscanner :\ |
| 06:49.55 | Blu3Fr0g | ok, should I just use the default encoding on the database? SQL_ASCII? |
| 06:50.05 | wilbertoki | is ubuntu bad for debian? |
| 06:50.14 | rixth_ | caphuso, ya know waht I mean :) |
| 06:50.38 | caphuso | rixth_: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:53.09 | caphuso | cp testfile testfile-cp 0.02s user 1.14s system 1% cpu 1:16.33 total |
| 06:53.23 | caphuso | tar xf - 0.02s user 0.91s system 1% cpu 1:18.05 total |
| 06:53.33 | caphuso | indeed, cp is slow... |
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| 06:54.01 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 06:54.24 | wilbertoki | caphuso: is that from time cp? |
| 06:54.40 | caphuso | wilbertoki: yes |
| 06:55.32 | b0nn | that worked |
| 06:55.55 | poonj | trying to use cdrecord to erase a cdrw. I use the following command. cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree blank=fast. the program runs, but then I get the message cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl. However, the drive showed up under the -scanbus before I ran the process. I built in the ide-scsi module into the kernel and append hdc=ide-scsi to the kernel when I bootup |
| 06:56.21 | poonj | now, after getting that message, the CDRW drive doesn't show up under cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 06:56.39 | caphuso | poonj: check dmesg output |
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| 06:57.51 | kenboo | caphuso, and cp breaks lots of things like file ownership, timestamp..so i use tar |
| 06:58.05 | caphuso | kenboo: translation: you don't know how to use cp |
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| 06:58.25 | caphuso | -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps |
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| 06:58.43 | kenboo | i know -p. yet it's not safe. |
| 06:58.47 | caphuso | kenboo: liar |
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| 06:59.57 | wilbertoki | tar also has a -p command to preserve those things right? |
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| 07:01.05 | caphuso | the tar -p command takes only care of the permissions, IIRC |
| 07:01.11 | caphuso | s/command/option |
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| 07:01.33 | caphuso | yeah... ignore umask when extracting files (the default for root) |
| 07:01.40 | kenboo | caphuso, you don't seem to care about non regular files. |
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| 07:02.11 | tuna | hello |
| 07:02.13 | caphuso | kenboo: cp -d |
| 07:02.26 | EvilSporkMan | anyone else noticing gaim leaking memory after a while? |
| 07:02.33 | kenboo | caphuso, huh? |
| 07:02.35 | EvilSporkMan | both testing and unstable as of yesterday |
| 07:02.56 | tuna | havent noticed gaim leaking memory |
| 07:02.58 | caphuso | kenboo: can now shut up, please? you're completely misinformed assumptions are causing damage to other people |
| 07:03.14 | kenboo | caphuso, ya so do copy fifo using cp -d . great. |
| 07:03.28 | tuna | it has been running on my server in testing mode for about a year |
| 07:03.43 | EvilSporkMan | tuna: so that's a relatively old version, right? |
| 07:03.51 | tuna | um no |
| 07:03.55 | tuna | its updated |
| 07:04.07 | EvilSporkMan | tuna: oh, i think i misunderstood |
| 07:04.10 | tuna | i update about once or twice a week |
| 07:04.18 | tuna | its in testing release |
| 07:04.39 | EvilSporkMan | i wonder what it could be then...i've just had this problem recently |
| 07:04.49 | caphuso | # mkfifo testfifo; cp -a testfifo newfifo; ls -l newfifo |
| 07:04.50 | caphuso | prw-r--r-- 1 caphuso caphuso 0 Mar 26 08:04 newfifo| |
| 07:05.01 | tuna | hrmm |
| 07:05.11 | tuna | did you run a memtest |
| 07:05.50 | EvilSporkMan | tuna: no...so faulty RAM could cause it? this is a high-school laptop :-\ |
| 07:06.19 | EvilSporkMan | tuna: and, not that it has to do with this machine, but what are the chances of a stick of RAM surviving a 5-foot drop? >_< |
| 07:06.21 | tuna | how are you sure gaim is leaking memory |
| 07:06.45 | EvilSporkMan | tuna: swap usage at 100ish MB, gaim using about 50% of memory, constant disk activity |
| 07:06.56 | Blu3Fr0g | evilsporkman: Depends on how it landed and the surface it landed on |
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| 07:07.08 | tuna | wow |
| 07:07.08 | EvilSporkMan | other programs running include firefox, i8kmon, and maybe synaptic, 128 MB of RAM, icewm as WM |
| 07:07.27 | wilbertoki | can underclocking your power supply voltage kill a stick of RAM? |
| 07:07.30 | EvilSporkMan | Blu3Fr0g: sorta on an edge, tile, bounced once then i grabbed it; stupid package didn't actually have it held in |
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| 07:08.00 | EvilSporkMan | definitely gonna run memtest when i build that machine =\ |
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| 07:08.08 | tuna | =) |
| 07:08.09 | tuna | brb |
| 07:08.16 | Blu3Fr0g | the easiest way to determin if its a ram problem is to run the windows NT/2K/XP installer and if you get a 0e error then chances are its ram related. |
| 07:08.18 | wilbertoki | lowering voltage to ram I mean |
| 07:08.36 | EvilSporkMan | Blu3Fr0g: need to reboot to run memtest, right? |
| 07:08.55 | Blu3Fr0g | i dunno, im a linux n00b :P |
| 07:09.05 | Blu3Fr0g | im lurking and trying to learn ;) |
| 07:09.17 | Blu3Fr0g | ls |
| 07:09.18 | avu | evilsporkman: yes, think of memtest as its own operating system |
| 07:09.50 | EvilSporkMan | avu: yeah, that's what I thought. hoping i can somehow conveniently boot it without making a floppy...i don't want to fetch my CDs from my van in case my parents think i snuck out |
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| 07:10.14 | avu | evilsporkman: it's possible to let grub boot a memtest image somehow |
| 07:10.17 | caphuso | EvilSporkMan: you can stick it into your bootloader config |
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| 07:10.41 | EvilSporkMan | how do I make less automatically gunzip a gz file? it worked like that out of the box on gentoo...zcat foo.gz | less just cramps my style |
| 07:10.47 | caphuso | EvilSporkMan: man lesspipe |
| 07:11.01 | Blu3Fr0g | ok, is there an easy way to reconfigure the xwindows system if I entered invalid parameters or have it auto detect the prper video? |
| 07:11.18 | caphuso | Blu3Fr0g: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:11.41 | b0nn | xf86cfg |
| 07:11.46 | EvilSporkMan | caphuso: thank you |
| 07:13.49 | rob^ | what causes apt-get update to ignore some lines? |
| 07:14.40 | j0k3r | bye... |
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| 07:16.39 | caphuso | i really ought to learn yacc properly :-( |
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| 07:20.43 | hrishi | How do I enable mouse gestures in epiphany 1.4.8? I am running Debian Sid and I have the epiphany-extensions package installed. but I dont see Mouse gestures in the Tools option |
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| 07:21.34 | foomanchu | hi |
| 07:22.38 | drbombay43 | yellow to all, I have decided to take the Debain plunge, can't find a mirror with rev3 I believe |
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| 07:23.19 | foomanchu | I often hear/read the argument, that debian is supposed to be slower because it's compiled for i386 (as oposed to i{5,6}86), then I also often hear the argument that that's just plain wrong (or the difference is to little to mention). Does anyone here have numbers backing either side up? |
| 07:23.35 | drbombay43 | cam anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:24.28 | rob^ | foomanchu, bah.. sounds like you have been talking to some Gentoo users |
| 07:24.41 | foomanchu | rob^: no, mandrake and slackware users actually |
| 07:25.46 | b0nn | heh Im a slackware user and Ive _never_ heard that argument |
| 07:25.49 | rob^ | the gains are minimal for the mucking around you have to do |
| 07:26.03 | foomanchu | the topic seems to be discussed more by using religous claims than by stating facts, I couldn't found a single trusty benschmark supporting either side. |
| 07:26.11 | caphuso | foomanchu: there are no facts |
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| 07:26.39 | caphuso | foomanchu: none of those whining gentoo morons came ever up with a meaningful benchmark that showed an actual difference |
| 07:26.54 | b0nn | yoper is faster than gentoo anyways :P |
| 07:27.12 | wishie | ive tried the simple ip masq howtos that i found while googleing, but i still cant seem to get it working.. can anyone help me with this please |
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| 07:27.20 | rob^ | yoper.. pfft |
| 07:27.22 | foomanchu | yoper is just another case of a distro claiming to be faster because it's compiled for 686 |
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| 07:27.34 | b0nn | its a FACT |
| 07:27.42 | b0nn | because /. said so :P |
| 07:27.46 | foomanchu | b0nn: Do you have numbers? |
| 07:27.50 | b0nn | yes |
| 07:27.54 | b0nn | my phone number? |
| 07:27.56 | caphuso | foomanchu: seriously, there are no numbers |
| 07:28.10 | wilbertoki | what do all those extra flags do anyway? |
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| 07:28.24 | foomanchu | caphuso: Well, so no debian fellow sat down to test it, too? Why are you so sure the claims are wrong then? |
| 07:28.32 | sussudio | ah it's spambot time again |
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| 07:28.42 | caphuso | foomanchu: simple. because nobody could us ever prove wrong ;-) |
| 07:28.49 | sussudio | caphuso: yEsiL spambot |
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| 07:29.03 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 07:29.10 | foomanchu | caphuso: nobody proved the ather side wrong, too. that's my dillema. :) |
| 07:29.18 | b0nn | foomanchu: honestly though, how do you measure speed in one OS vs the speed in another oS? |
| 07:29.22 | hrishi | anyone here managed to get mouse gestures working in epiphany? I have installed epiphany extensions package but still do not see the "mouse gestures" option in the Tools menu. How do I enable mouse gestures |
| 07:29.25 | poonj | caphuso: I see... |
| 07:29.29 | sussudio | b0nn: bunnyvalues |
| 07:29.34 | b0nn | heh |
| 07:29.47 | foomanchu | b0nn: If I where skilled to do such benchmarks, I wouldn't be asking here. :) |
| 07:29.52 | rob^ | epiphany? someone uses epiphany? |
| 07:30.00 | sussudio | rob^: nein |
| 07:30.02 | merlincorey | packing up computers... see you on the laptop! |
| 07:30.03 | caphuso | foomanchu: most things happening on your system are I/O bound, so any amount of CPU optimization isn't going to speed them up |
| 07:30.04 | b0nn | sussudio: my slackware machine clearly goes faster (because it has wheels) |
| 07:30.12 | hrishi | rob^: i do |
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| 07:30.41 | rob^ | hrishi, why? |
| 07:30.57 | b0nn | foomanchu: so even if you were told a valid reason you still wouldnt be qualified to know? |
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| 07:31.05 | hrishi | rob^: it works, I like the way it organizes bookmarks. |
| 07:31.21 | rob^ | hmm, ok, each to their own I guess |
| 07:31.31 | hrishi | rob^: and I for my purposes mozilla/firefox dont offer any better value |
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| 07:31.44 | wilbertoki | if IO is the bottleneck -- what do you think is the optimal CPU speed for a desktop -- at what point does the extra CPU speed become useless for openoffice etc... |
| 07:31.50 | rob^ | doesn't epiphany use mozilla underneath? |
| 07:31.57 | markybob | gecko |
| 07:32.01 | hrishi | rob^: gecko |
| 07:32.05 | rob^ | ah |
| 07:32.26 | caskey | wilbertoki: about 125mhz |
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| 07:32.45 | fooz | my desk has no processor |
| 07:32.47 | rob^ | doesn't mozilla == gecko? Or have we moved on from that? |
| 07:32.50 | pat_2 | hello |
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| 07:33.01 | markybob | rob^ mozill never equaled gecko |
| 07:33.05 | |ryan| | wtf? |
| 07:33.08 | hrishi | rob^: mozilla browser uses gecko engine |
| 07:33.14 | pat_2 | i don't speak verry well english :( |
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| 07:33.19 | hrishi | rob^: i think |
| 07:33.21 | rob^ | yeah.. theres the relationship I was thinking |
| 07:33.22 | fooz | heh |
| 07:33.27 | pat_2 | i am french |
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| 07:33.41 | The2ndclory | hey all I would like some direction here, I've been struggling with this for quite a while but I decided to pick it up again and gibe it another shot. So could someone tell me if the apache 1.3 package comes with proxying built in or do I have to get some other module?? |
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| 07:34.10 | sussudio | !fr |
| 07:34.10 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:34.12 | caphuso | The2ndclory: it comes with the mod_proxy module you can load and use |
| 07:34.21 | pat_2 | who speak french please? |
| 07:34.29 | caphuso | !french |
| 07:34.30 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:34.45 | pat_2 | ok thanks |
| 07:34.57 | wilbertoki | gnight |
| 07:35.17 | wishie | i have ip masq working, but the machines inside my network cant browse the web..they can email etc. i was told this is an MRU issue or something ? how can i fix this ? |
| 07:35.21 | caphuso | The2ndclory: don't message me |
| 07:35.23 | pat_2 | good bye |
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| 07:36.07 | The2ndclory | sorry caphuso it seemed you were leading me on the right track so I was just following it |
| 07:36.17 | b0nn | wishie: are you saying one machine is acting as the gateway on a lan? |
| 07:36.24 | wishie | b0nn: yes. |
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| 07:36.34 | wishie | it can browse etc fine, but the other machines cant |
| 07:36.50 | b0nn | wishie: and are you further saying that both cant access the net, or just the one behind the gateway? |
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| 07:37.10 | wishie | b0nn: just the one behind the gateway cant. well, it can email etc, just cant browse |
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| 07:37.27 | wishie | something to do with the Max Receive Unit (MRU) or something ? |
| 07:37.41 | b0nn | wishie: god knows if its that technical |
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| 07:38.09 | b0nn | wishie: id start with tcpdump on the gateway machine watching if the packets are being routed correctly |
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| 07:38.59 | b0nn | wishie: ie start with tcpdump watching the internal iface, followed by watching the external iface |
| 07:39.37 | wishie | i can ping, check email, resolve dns etc. i just cant browse. |
| 07:39.54 | wishie | so stuff is being routed correctly, but its a PPPoE issue with MRU |
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| 07:40.17 | guoke | :) |
| 07:40.23 | b0nn | wishie: or port 80 is borked |
| 07:40.30 | The2ndclory | so could someone tell me if <IfModule mod_proxy.c> loads mod proxy, it may seem obvious but its just not working for me |
| 07:41.02 | wishie | well, each browser gives me "waiting for <host>..." |
| 07:41.09 | hrishi | anyone here managed to get mouse gestures working in epiphany? I have installed epiphany extensions package but still do not see the "mouse gestures" option in the Tools menu. How do I enable mouse gestures? |
| 07:41.09 | wishie | it finds the hosts IP, connects to it |
| 07:41.09 | |ryan| | wishie: just a sec.... |
| 07:41.19 | Blu3Fr0g | anyone now what jbod means in reference to sata raid? |
| 07:41.23 | caphuso | The2ndclory: no, it doesn't |
| 07:41.41 | b0nn | wishie: can you telnet from the lan to www.yahoo.com:80 |
| 07:41.51 | caphuso | The2ndclory: it means "if the mod_proxy module is loaded, then" |
| 07:42.08 | The2ndclory | ahh i c |
| 07:42.27 | wishie | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 07:42.32 | wishie | yes. |
| 07:42.43 | |ryan| | ping -s 1472 host |
| 07:42.49 | b0nn | wishie: get http/1.0 |
| 07:42.53 | |ryan| | and ping 1464 host |
| 07:42.57 | |ryan| | er |
| 07:43.04 | |ryan| | ping -s 1464 host |
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| 07:43.33 | wishie | |ryan|: i can ping anyway. |
| 07:44.05 | b0nn | -s is for the size of the icmp packet isnt it? |
| 07:44.24 | fibept | yes |
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| 07:44.52 | The2ndclory | theres nothing proxy related in modules.conf tho, an I did a locate but the only thing proxy related it found was libproxy.so |
| 07:44.52 | |ryan| | yeah |
| 07:45.11 | |ryan| | that shouls show if it's an MTU problem |
| 07:45.34 | |ryan| | wishie: or you can set the MTU of your ethernet interface. |
| 07:47.38 | The2ndclory | so should there be some additional entry in modules.conf?? or can u tell me where to load mod_proxy |
| 07:48.30 | wishie | hmm |
| 07:48.30 | wishie | PPPoE is a pain in the arse |
| 07:48.30 | wishie | do i have to use this rp-pppoe stuff ? |
| 07:48.48 | poonj | hey caphuso |
| 07:49.01 | poonj | you mind if I send the output in #flood for you to look at? |
| 07:49.09 | poonj | it seems as though I am getting an I/O error |
| 07:49.31 | sh0rt | i have run sysvconfig and disabled portmap, but it keeps showing up when I do ps ax |
| 07:49.41 | sh0rt | how do I stop it? |
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| 07:50.40 | wishie | ARGH! |
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| 07:51.06 | briareus | sh0rt> invoke=rc.d /etc/init.d/portmap stop |
| 07:51.39 | briareus | sh0rt> sysv is for init, the invoke is to stop it while already running |
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| 07:52.21 | sh0rt | briareus, yeah I can stop it with the init.d script but I thought that sysvconfig was supposed to stop it from starting |
| 07:52.34 | briareus | afaik it should |
| 07:52.49 | briareus | but i am newish to debian, Im used to chkconfig |
| 07:53.03 | sh0rt | might have to remove the rcd links maybe that should fix it for good |
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| 07:53.36 | briareus | what had you done so far? |
| 07:54.05 | sh0rt | briareus, just ran sysvconfig and unchecked it in that |
| 07:54.40 | cahoot | sh0rt: did you actually stop the running instance? |
| 07:55.01 | sh0rt | cahoot, with the init.d script? |
| 07:55.10 | briareus | titanomak-debian:/# sysvconfig |
| 07:55.11 | briareus | bash: sysvconfig: command not found |
| 07:55.13 | briareus | ? |
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| 07:57.38 | sh0rt | cahoot, yeah managed to stop it running the init.d script, think ill just remove the links with update-rc.d |
| 07:58.21 | Vince35 | hi ppl (o; |
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| 07:59.26 | acid-trip | how do i reconfigure my apt? |
| 07:59.45 | poonj | for cdrecord under 2.6 |
| 07:59.54 | poonj | do I need to use ide-scsi? |
| 08:00.01 | acid-trip | nm i got it |
| 08:00.05 | epitope | hey, what do you guys find is the best easy-to-install debian distro for server purposes (i.e. doesn't have too much extra junk installed)? someone in a remote location has to do an install for me... and i doubt they could handle the net-install :) |
| 08:00.16 | epitope | there's like, mepis... and ubuntu.. right? |
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| 08:00.39 | b0nn | poonj: is K3B an option? |
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| 08:01.38 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 08:01.49 | acid-trip | my apt wont let me reconfigure it to use a different site |
| 08:01.59 | doleyb | epitope: ubuntu should be fine, its just 1 cd. Sure, 500 meg of that you won't care about, but you can rem those packes remotely. |
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| 08:02.02 | fibept | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:02.20 | acid-trip | but i don't know the sites off hand |
| 08:02.33 | manchot | a question about echo and quotation marks. |
| 08:02.36 | fibept | are you looking for some official sites? |
| 08:02.40 | acid-trip | ya |
| 08:02.57 | acid-trip | i'm looking to apt install windowmaker adn get rid of my kde |
| 08:03.02 | manchot | when I do echo, what's the difference between a single quote mark and double quote mark? |
| 08:03.21 | poonj | b0nn, k3b? |
| 08:03.29 | manchot | why this can't work? echo "alias s="cd .."" >> profile ? |
| 08:03.50 | manchot | and this one work: echo 'alias s="cd .."' ? |
| 08:03.52 | b0nn | poonj: a gui for cdrecord that makes life a dream |
| 08:03.59 | fibept | either use single quotes on the inside, or escape the double quotes on the inside |
| 08:04.09 | poonj | well, I'm going through the command line |
| 08:04.19 | poonj | I'm just wondering for 2.6, I don't need ide-scsi anymore? |
| 08:04.38 | fibept | manchot: the way quotes work is that after the first double quote, the next one will close it |
| 08:04.40 | manchot | fibept: escape? like this? |
| 08:04.46 | fibept | manchot: as in \" |
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| 08:04.59 | manchot | I see. thanks. |
| 08:05.00 | Vince35 | question (o: : output of dmesg : parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 08:05.01 | Vince35 | DMA write timed out |
| 08:05.08 | Vince35 | any ideas ? |
| 08:05.11 | holycow | poonj, no need for ide-scsi anymore |
| 08:05.12 | Vince35 | (o; |
| 08:05.16 | acid-trip | fibept would i have to go through and completely rec onfigure my base-conf |
| 08:05.23 | poonj | holycow, okay |
| 08:05.29 | poonj | let me reboot then |
| 08:05.53 | guoke | by,all |
| 08:06.26 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
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| 08:06.46 | fibept | manchot: try echo ""bob"" and echo "\"bob\"" |
| 08:06.46 | fibept | acid-trip: are you use aptitude/dselect/apt ? |
| 08:07.05 | holycow | hey streuner |
| 08:07.11 | acid-trip | run that by me again |
| 08:07.39 | epitope | doleyb: cool, thanks! |
| 08:07.55 | manchot | fibept: now I understand. Thank you. |
| 08:08.02 | fibept | manchot: no problem |
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| 08:09.55 | streuner | Are there only idlers here? |
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| 08:14.29 | holycow | anyone here happen to know anything about routers hardware wise? i have a netgear stuck in diagnosis mode and would love to interrupt that somehow ... it's a shame to throw it out |
| 08:14.48 | holycow | googles diggin up zilch strangely |
| 08:15.45 | Blu3Fr0g | holycow: did you try the hard reset button? |
| 08:15.48 | streuner | turn off and on doesn't help |
| 08:15.50 | streuner | ? |
| 08:16.38 | holycow | yeah, thats the weird part, neither of those works |
| 08:17.03 | streuner | sounds like a bug then |
| 08:17.20 | holycow | i've taken it appart, no obvious way to short the cycle, donno, was hoping to run into a hardware hacker despite my odds :) |
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| 08:18.12 | drbombay43 | yellow ,I need help, is the x86 version the same for both Inte&AMD? |
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| 08:18.29 | Azra`el | holycow: unplug it for 24 hours |
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| 08:18.43 | Azra`el | then hold in the reset button for a minute, and plug it in |
| 08:18.45 | holycow | only the kernel has some specific stuff for either cpus drbombay43 |
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| 08:19.08 | holycow | oh, hold reset button and then plugin |
| 08:19.10 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 08:19.13 | Azra`el | negative |
| 08:19.18 | pagux | hello |
| 08:19.22 | Azra`el | you have to let it Totally discharge. |
| 08:19.22 | drbombay43 | so which ISO's do I download? |
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| 08:19.34 | pagux | i am facing a problem during installation |
| 08:19.45 | streuner | drbombay43: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:19.49 | pagux | during partition formating none of existing parttion is showing up |
| 08:19.51 | Azra`el | Then do the hard reset. |
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| 08:19.54 | sussudio | pagux: bunnies? |
| 08:20.00 | Azra`el | bunnies! |
| 08:20.22 | drbombay43 | I am installing for the very first time ,Please help |
| 08:20.23 | pagux | i have fc3 installed ...i want debian to dual boot |
| 08:20.34 | sussudio | !tell drbombay43 about netinstall |
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| 08:21.13 | holycow | azreal, i didn't know that good point, unfortunately it was completely unplugged for 3 days ... from cursory reading its not a good idea to poke around trying to manually discharge the charge my self eh? |
| 08:21.28 | pagux | no i have installed sarge in two comp ...i dont why no existing partitions are displayed in so called new debian installer |
| 08:21.28 | Azra`el | right |
| 08:21.48 | Azra`el | you can try a hard reset without discharging, but i don't know if it'll grab factory, or stored |
| 08:21.49 | drbombay43 | sussudio: this will be the frst time for me I am currently running FC3 |
| 08:21.51 | brullo | Is tv output supported in the nvidia driver? (riva tnt2 sarge 2.6) |
| 08:22.16 | pagux | can use fdisk during install |
| 08:22.21 | pagux | ? |
| 08:22.51 | simonrvn | can you? |
| 08:23.04 | pagux | is there any way i use old fashion fdisk during debian installation?? |
| 08:23.18 | brullo | pagux, cfdisk? |
| 08:23.24 | simonrvn | did you try yet? i think you can |
| 08:23.48 | Azra`el | go into advanced install, and you get the non-automatic installer ;p |
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| 08:24.45 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:24.46 | simonrvn | you'd think... |
| 08:24.48 | brullo | Is tv output supported in the nvidia driver? (nvidia-riva-tnt2 / sarge / 2.6) |
| 08:24.55 | pagux | i think there might be bug in new installer partition...... |
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| 08:25.16 | Azra`el | brullo, did you try it? |
| 08:25.17 | epitope | brullo: uhm, what kinda nvidia card do you have? |
| 08:25.19 | acid-trip | any one alive? |
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| 08:25.33 | Gnea | brullo: did you RTFM? |
| 08:25.34 | simonrvn | no. all typing undead zombies |
| 08:25.37 | streuner | acid-trip: just ask |
| 08:25.38 | epitope | brullo: with the ones i've tried, you don't need a special driver to enable tv-out.. you just need a utliilty |
| 08:25.38 | karsten | acid-trip: Nope |
| 08:25.51 | acid-trip | i need help reconfiguring my apt so i can change sites |
| 08:25.56 | epitope | brullo: there's some program... nvtv i think it's called |
| 08:26.06 | Gnea | Azra`el: so you still think my parents need to be beaten? |
| 08:26.08 | epitope | brullo: it lets you set all the tvout options |
| 08:26.08 | brullo | epitope, thanks |
| 08:26.26 | Azra`el | Gnea: yeah |
| 08:26.32 | Gnea | Azra`el: who the fuck are you? |
| 08:26.37 | Azra`el | i'm me. |
| 08:26.44 | Gnea | that's what i thought. |
| 08:26.56 | Gnea | you're just some wimpy poser |
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| 08:27.08 | streuner | acid-trip: use the official mirrors |
| 08:27.09 | Azra`el | wimpy poser? |
| 08:27.10 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 08:27.13 | Gnea | indeed. |
| 08:27.14 | Azra`el | what am i posing as? |
| 08:27.26 | Gnea | a judge who's afraid to reveal himself |
| 08:27.26 | streuner | acid-trip: read man sources.list |
| 08:27.31 | brullo | epitope, apt-cache show nvtv gave me what I was looking for. Thanks! |
| 08:27.35 | acid-trip | ty |
| 08:27.40 | Azra`el | how so? i'm right here speaking my mind. |
| 08:27.51 | Gnea | ok ok |
| 08:27.56 | Gnea | who do you *think* you are? |
| 08:27.59 | drbombay43 | dpkg: thanks for the info |
| 08:27.59 | dpkg | drbombay43: no problem |
| 08:28.08 | Azra`el | you want to talk about it? give me a number and i'll dial. |
| 08:28.09 | epitope | brullo: no problem :) i'm glad i remembered the name.. it's been 3 years since i used it |
| 08:28.19 | Azra`el | arguing over the internet is retarted =) |
| 08:28.27 | Gnea | so's arguing in person :) |
| 08:28.31 | Azra`el | nod |
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| 08:28.37 | Azra`el | but in person it's a person, not a pixel |
| 08:28.39 | akusarujin | lol :) |
| 08:28.40 | brullo | epitope, :-) |
| 08:28.41 | epitope | also, spelling retarded "retarted" |
| 08:28.41 | Gnea | but even more retarded |
| 08:28.46 | acid-trip | can i just delete the sources.list and make a new one when i run apt? |
| 08:28.50 | Azra`el | =D |
| 08:29.03 | Gnea | is the fact that you, who don't even know me, generalize the notion that my parents need to be beaten |
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| 08:29.05 | streuner | acid-trip: sure, just run 'apt-setup' |
| 08:29.09 | Azra`el | nod |
| 08:29.16 | Gnea | please, explain why. |
| 08:29.17 | acid-trip | thats all i wanted |
| 08:29.21 | Azra`el | number? |
| 08:29.24 | Vince35 | acid-trip, why don't you put the right adress on yur source.list ? |
| 08:29.26 | acid-trip | how to reconfigure my my apt |
| 08:29.31 | Gnea | how stupid do you think i am |
| 08:29.34 | acid-trip | Vince35: i have the right address |
| 08:29.37 | Gnea | you brought it up in an open forum |
| 08:29.40 | Gnea | so keep it in an open forum. |
| 08:29.44 | acid-trip | but i want to switch up and use a different one |
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| 08:29.55 | epitope | this isn't a forum dude, it's irc |
| 08:30.00 | epitope | people call eachother's parents lots of things |
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| 08:30.05 | epitope | just let it slide :) |
| 08:30.15 | Vince35 | then write it on yur source.list , acid-trip ! (o: |
| 08:30.21 | Vince35 | wrtie them.... |
| 08:31.03 | Mowa | hey google :) http://www.playzero.com |
| 08:31.45 | MoRLoCh | hello, is there a way to tweak the cron daemon so that the emails it sends have a custmo sender name? |
| 08:31.56 | hrishi | anyone here managed to get mouse gestures working in epiphany? I have installed epiphany extensions package but still do not see the "mouse gestures" option in the Tools menu. How do I enable mouse gestures? |
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| 08:32.33 | MoRLoCh | I mean instead of "Cron Daemon" |
| 08:32.38 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 08:32.51 | Vince35 | acid-trip, can't figure what is yur prb .... |
| 08:33.07 | epitope | MoRLoCh: have you tried the RTFM approach? |
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| 08:33.27 | Vince35 | lol epitope ((o: |
| 08:34.02 | MoRLoCh | epitope: yes |
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| 08:34.26 | epitope | oh. then i have no idea :) |
| 08:34.36 | MoRLoCh | epitope: I have found no reference of thsi in the man page |
| 08:34.51 | epitope | why don't you grep the source code for "Cron Daemon" |
| 08:34.52 | epitope | :) |
| 08:35.10 | MoRLoCh | epitope: well that was my last resort after asking here hehe |
| 08:35.12 | epitope | see if it's hardcoded, or if it's using a config file |
| 08:35.22 | epitope | yeah.. it's a pretty obscure feature |
| 08:35.25 | epitope | i doubt people here would know |
| 08:35.32 | epitope | i mean, why wouldn't you want it to be called cron daemon? |
| 08:36.02 | MoRLoCh | epitope: but if I have to recompile the package, it won't suit my needs (I'd like to put host name so that I can see where it comes from) |
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| 08:36.18 | zhuyb | I'v installed a debian linux operation system on my IBM t42 Laptop,I find that the Fn key doen't not work under debian |
| 08:36.26 | MoRLoCh | epitope: it's just I am lazy hehe, and I'd like to see the hostname right there hehe |
| 08:37.22 | simonrvn | MoRLoCh: yes. man 5 crontab |
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| 08:37.26 | streuner | zhuyb: under X? |
| 08:37.29 | epitope | MoRLoCh: ahh.. i see. |
| 08:37.31 | simonrvn | MAIL=foo |
| 08:37.34 | MoRLoCh | epitope: for example, slackware's cron daemon sends me emails like root@server.domain |
| 08:37.44 | MoRLoCh | simonrvn: but that's where the mail is sent, no? |
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| 08:37.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:37.56 | zhuyb | :streuner under T42 |
| 08:38.08 | MoRLoCh | simonrvn: I'd like to change the "sender" name |
| 08:38.19 | simonrvn | recompile, or live with it |
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| 08:38.23 | streuner | zhuyb: so Fn is F10 for example? |
| 08:38.25 | MoRLoCh | anyway I'll have a look at the source |
| 08:38.29 | MoRLoCh | thanks anyways ;) |
| 08:38.31 | epitope | MoRLoCh: you could have a different "To:" address for each server |
| 08:38.36 | epitope | and have them all forward to your main email account |
| 08:38.50 | epitope | then you could filter them by that |
| 08:38.53 | epitope | or do it by eye |
| 08:38.54 | epitope | whatever :) |
| 08:39.05 | zhuyb | no, Fn is at the left bottom positon |
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| 08:39.29 | epitope | actually, if you can tell it what address to send emails to... maybe you can format it like: "Mail From Whatever.com <youremail@stuff.woot>" |
| 08:39.31 | zhuyb | streuner: just on the left of control key |
| 08:39.34 | MoRLoCh | epitope: I can already put each one in its folder by filters, but they all have "Cron Daemon", so if I have a couple open I confise them... I told you, I am just lazy hehe it's not a vital request |
| 08:39.49 | epitope | well, it's not laziness |
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| 08:39.59 | epitope | it's like... the program should let you do that :) |
| 08:40.06 | simonrvn | MoRLoCh: then you filter on something else other than a variation of "cron".... |
| 08:40.20 | zhuyb | streuner: Fn is used to work with F3 ,F4,F5,F7,F12 ,etc |
| 08:40.23 | epitope | filtering isn't his problem.. :) |
| 08:40.33 | epitope | it's just the general pain-in-the-ass it causes him |
| 08:40.44 | MoRLoCh | epitope: yes, I'll have a look at the code, thanks ;) |
| 08:40.49 | epitope | np |
| 08:41.12 | MoRLoCh | simonrvn: yes, as epitope said, I can filter, but it would be easier if I could tweak it |
| 08:41.23 | zhuyb | streuner: it works correctly in windows xp ,but it can not work under debian, I think iI need some drivers for this. |
| 08:41.27 | simonrvn | no, it would be easier to edit your mail filters |
| 08:41.36 | kevinz | is there any math software i can use on debian |
| 08:41.51 | simonrvn | ever hear of occam's razor? |
| 08:42.17 | MoRLoCh | simonrvn: yes, but imho it would be easier if cron would allow me to tweak that part |
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| 08:42.30 | epitope | yeah, that should be a feature in any program that sends emails :) |
| 08:42.37 | simonrvn | so edit the code, and submit a patch |
| 08:42.39 | streuner | zhuyb: bullshit |
| 08:42.45 | epitope | that's what he's doing. :D |
| 08:42.48 | MoRLoCh | simonrvn: seeing "cron daemon" doesn't give me the info I'd like to receive |
| 08:43.00 | streuner | zhuyb: you just misconfigure it |
| 08:43.20 | streuner | zhuyb: http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/ |
| 08:43.24 | simonrvn | drivers to get the Fn key working? hehe |
| 08:43.48 | streuner | zhuyb: He spoke about it and its working in debian |
| 08:44.16 | streuner | "Pressing Fn-F3 to blank the screen works perfectly (as long as I don't accidently bump Fn-F4)." |
| 08:44.25 | simonrvn | i just used an ubuntu craptop and it worked. obvious misconfiguration |
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| 08:46.19 | MoRLoCh | epitope: yes it's hard coded :( |
| 08:46.51 | streuner | zhuyb: you need to play with key104 for example in XF86Config-4 in order to get all keys working |
| 08:46.54 | sh0rt | zhuyb, get ibm-acpi |
| 08:47.45 | sh0rt | streuner, i dont think you get keycodes when you press fn +Fx together |
| 08:48.27 | simonrvn | MoRLoCh: well, have fun :) |
| 08:48.39 | MoRLoCh | hehe |
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| 08:49.45 | zhuyb | streuner: perhaps you are right,I do not remeber whether key101 or key104 I seleted. |
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| 08:50.04 | zhuyb | sh0rt:ok,I'll try. |
| 08:50.30 | sh0rt | zhuyb, if you have 2.6.8 or later its in the kernel |
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| 08:50.56 | zhuyb | sh0rt:Linux monoxide 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:24:08 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:51.34 | sh0rt | zhuyb, try modprobe ibm-acpi, dunno if its compiled in stock ones |
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| 08:52.28 | MoRLoCh | anyway thanks for help epitope and simonrvn |
| 08:52.32 | MoRLoCh | ciao |
| 08:52.35 | zhuyb | sh0rt:FATAL: Module ibm_acpi not found. |
| 08:52.48 | simonrvn | np |
| 08:53.32 | sh0rt | zhuyb, go here http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:53.42 | HermanDE | bob |
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| 08:54.11 | zhuyb | streuner:could you tell me where can I see what keymap I used ? |
| 08:54.52 | zhuyb | sh0rt:ok ,I'll get it and install |
| 08:55.41 | sh0rt | zhuyb, good luck, it took me bloody ages to get it to all work. :) |
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| 08:57.00 | streuner | zhuyb: look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 --> Option "XkbModel "pc104" |
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| 08:57.11 | zhuyb | sh0rt:wow,Thank you very much! |
| 08:57.43 | streuner | http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/ |
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| 08:57.47 | sh0rt | zhuyb, np |
| 08:58.13 | streuner | zhuyb: ^^ read the URL, he have som tips too |
| 08:58.18 | streuner | s/som/some/ |
| 08:58.38 | zhuyb | streuner:"XkbModel" "pc101" |
| 08:58.59 | streuner | hm |
| 08:59.09 | zhuyb | streuner: your are right,I have the wrong configuration |
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| 08:59.45 | holycow | Azra`el, thanks for the help |
| 09:00.25 | streuner | zhuyb: the line i gave you was an example, i have no idea what to put into that |
| 09:00.34 | streuner | zhuyb: just /msg dpkg laptop |
| 09:00.53 | streuner | zhuyb: and look into one of XF86Config-4 files |
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| 09:01.38 | streuner | zhuyb: http://modular.fas.harvard.edu/t42/XFree-jenkins.txt |
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| 09:02.05 | manchot | does debian run any firewall script by default? |
| 09:02.12 | streuner | no |
| 09:02.42 | manchot | I am running pppoe connection and I got a low id, so I am wondering whether debian is blocking the ports by default |
| 09:02.44 | zhuyb | streuner: thank you for the lines you gave.I'll read them . |
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| 09:07.09 | poonj | anyone here use the ndiswrapper? |
| 09:07.12 | poonj | does that work well? |
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| 09:09.31 | sh0rt | poonj, lots of people seem to get it to work, depends on your card i spose |
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| 09:10.28 | poonj | sh0rt, I'll give it a run |
| 09:10.41 | poonj | sh0rt, I have a RTL card..looks like its supported |
| 09:10.52 | poonj | sh0rt, thanks |
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| 09:16.24 | dondelelcaro | *** I WILL BE REMOVING LARGE NUMBERS OF BANDS SHORTLY. USE /IGNORE #DEBIAN MDOES ; OR YOUR CLIENT'S EQUIVALENT FOR SANITY *** |
| 09:16.29 | ireverentReveren | how do i map keys to adjusting the sound(volume)? |
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| 09:17.07 | dondelelcaro | *** UBANNING BEGINS *** |
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| 09:17.23 | buu | dpkg test |
| 09:17.23 | dpkg | Yes, buu, you're still online. |
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| 09:18.04 | buu | omg dondelelcaro you spam us all! |
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| 09:18.42 | Azra`el | wooo |
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| 09:18.45 | snadge | ubergeek question: can you get around the 137gb limit on an old p200? (200gb drive) or is a newer motherboard the only way? |
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| 09:19.04 | ireverentReveren | snadge use a promise controller if all else fails |
| 09:19.08 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:19.14 | dondelelcaro | you can remove the /ignore if you want now |
| 09:19.18 | buu | dondelelcaro: encore encore! |
| 09:19.52 | holycow | dondelelcaro, if they had you on ignore, how would they know to take it off? |
| 09:19.53 | holycow | >_> |
| 09:19.58 | ireverentReveren | how do i stop eth0 from trying to get an ip at boot? |
| 09:20.07 | dondelelcaro | holycow: reading comprehension... |
| 09:20.41 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why I said /ignore #debian modes, not /ignore dondelelcaro... |
| 09:20.44 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 09:21.00 | sh0rt | ireverentReveren, remove the auto part from interfaces file |
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| 09:21.14 | zhuyb | ireverentReveren: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:21.42 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
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| 09:22.07 | streuner | dpkg, say holycow good morning |
| 09:22.08 | dpkg | holycow good morning |
| 09:22.19 | Azra`el | dpkg, say /quit |
| 09:22.19 | dpkg | /quit |
| 09:22.25 | Azra`el | damn =) |
| 09:22.29 | holycow | hehe |
| 09:22.30 | holycow | :) |
| 09:22.31 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:22.44 | Azra`el | dpkg, act hi |
| 09:22.47 | holycow | hows things streuner ? |
| 09:22.55 | streuner | fine, thanks :-) |
| 09:23.55 | harken | hello everyone |
| 09:24.03 | zhuyb | dpkg,say hello zhuyb |
| 09:24.04 | dpkg | hello zhuyb |
| 09:24.17 | zhuyb | haha,good. |
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| 09:26.45 | Prashant | Hello Everyone |
| 09:27.14 | chrizz | hi, uhm, if i sit behind a router/gw and send from internal network to outside some files via scp, is it possible for the admin@router/gw what files im sending? |
| 09:27.15 | briareus | how do i config apt? |
| 09:27.27 | Phated | Woo, ban party. |
| 09:27.28 | chrizz | briareus: apt-setup |
| 09:28.49 | Prashant | Can you guys help me solving a small problem? |
| 09:29.08 | chrizz | Prashant: dont ask to ask ... ! just ASK ! |
| 09:29.10 | chrizz | ;) |
| 09:29.20 | Prashant | Thank you.... |
| 09:29.38 | Prashant | I am a application developer for a software firm in India |
| 09:30.07 | Prashant | I also want to do some samll contribution to the open source community |
| 09:30.17 | Prashant | From where should I start |
| 09:30.20 | Prashant | ?? |
| 09:30.29 | Azra`el | stop stealing our jobs!! (grin) |
| 09:30.38 | Azra`el | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 09:30.45 | harken | Prashant: write some drivers if you can |
| 09:30.46 | Prashant | lol |
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| 09:31.21 | takatumi | Prashant: maybe hindi translation of the docs and d-i. |
| 09:31.36 | Prashant | That would be better |
| 09:31.41 | zhuyb | sh0rt:I'v get the ibm-acpi-0.11.tar.gz tarball,I have read the README file under ibm-acpi-0.11,it says simply tar -xzvf ibm-acpi-0.11.tar.gz;make;make install; but when I run make under ibm-acpi-0.11 ,an error occured |
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| 09:32.02 | Prashant | But would you please explain what's d-i |
| 09:32.11 | takatumi | Prashant: check debian.org for links and procedures. |
| 09:32.18 | takatumi | !tell Prashant -about d-i |
| 09:32.19 | Prashant | Ok |
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| 09:32.55 | Prashant | Thanks takatumi |
| 09:32.59 | zhuyb | sh0rt:make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/zhuyb/ibm-acpi-0.11 modules |
| 09:33.00 | zhuyb | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: no such file or directory |
| 09:33.14 | harken | Prashant: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ |
| 09:33.15 | Prashant | Also a silly question |
| 09:33.35 | briareus | ?how can i remove an apt source? when i run apt-setup, its only adding |
| 09:33.38 | Prashant | Do I need to install GUI along with basic Debian system? |
| 09:33.53 | harken | no, you don't |
| 09:33.57 | sh0rt | zhuyb, what was your kernel |
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| 09:34.03 | Prashant | Or a simple legendary shell would be enough? |
| 09:34.05 | zhuyb | sh0rt: There is really no such directory named build |
| 09:34.11 | takatumi | Prashant: need or want? |
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| 09:34.19 | zhuyb | sh0rt:Linux monoxide 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:24:08 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:34.27 | Prashant | Do I need to install???? |
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| 09:34.40 | takatumi | !dict need |
| 09:34.42 | dpkg | Dictionary 'need' (1 of 15): 3. That which is needful; anything necessary to be done; (pl.) necessary things; business. [Obs.] --Chaucer.. |
| 09:34.44 | zhuyb | sh0rt:root@0[ibm-acpi-0.11]# ls /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/ |
| 09:34.46 | zhuyb | boot modules.alias modules.ieee1394map modules.pcimap source |
| 09:34.46 | zhuyb | initrd modules.ccwmap modules.inputmap modules.symbols |
| 09:34.46 | zhuyb | kernel modules.dep modules.isapnpmap modules.usbmap |
| 09:34.49 | Prashant | Because I have experience of working on HP-UX |
| 09:34.55 | nolf | can you access packet data captured by pcap_next() |
| 09:35.10 | harken | Prashant: what will you do with the install...Desktop environment, mail server, etc. ? |
| 09:35.12 | takatumi | Prashant: it's all upto you, the choices are all yours. |
| 09:35.31 | Prashant | Ok |
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| 09:36.00 | Prashant | I have a basic system installed here along with windows |
| 09:36.07 | briareus | ?how can i remove an apt source? when i run apt-setup, its only adding |
| 09:36.16 | takatumi | Prashant: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 09:36.28 | harken | briareus: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 09:36.36 | Prashant | This is for what takatumi |
| 09:36.50 | harken | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.53 | takatumi | Prashant: for reference. |
| 09:37.01 | sh0rt | zhuyb, are using acpi, looking at the readme, seems to be the only real prerequsite |
| 09:37.02 | Prashant | Ok |
| 09:37.39 | Prashant | I would be better starting with the driver for my Conexant winmodem |
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| 09:38.14 | takatumi | Prashant: linuxant.com |
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| 09:38.26 | sh0rt | zhuyb, maybe try modprobe acpi. |
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| 09:38.35 | takatumi | Prashant: ain't free. |
| 09:38.40 | Prashant | Takatumi No but the driver is not free!!! |
| 09:38.47 | rixth | Here,s something of topic, but I'd like to know, waht is a "set-top box"? |
| 09:38.57 | takatumi | Prashant: exactamundo. |
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| 09:39.05 | Prashant | That's why I want to develope one which would be free |
| 09:39.10 | zhuyb | sh0rt:root@0[ibm-acpi-0.11]# modprobe acpi |
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| 09:39.17 | takatumi | Prashant: buy a real modem. |
| 09:39.20 | zhuyb | sh0rt:nothing happed. |
| 09:39.50 | zhuyb | sh0rt:there is a directory named acpi under /proc |
| 09:40.02 | zhuyb | sh0rt : I tink acpi is working. |
| 09:40.08 | Prashant | Wahat would be it's cost Takatumi? I mean you have any idea? |
| 09:40.09 | sh0rt | zhuyb, nothing will if it worked, try making again, |
| 09:40.44 | zhuyb | sh0rt: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: on such file or directory |
| 09:40.54 | zhuyb | sh0rt : let me mkdir |
| 09:40.56 | takatumi | Prashant: US$16 or so iirc. |
| 09:41.21 | sh0rt | zhuyb, do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-i386 directory |
| 09:41.24 | Prashant | Takatumi : Any Special brand you recommend? |
| 09:41.27 | takatumi | Prashant: there is a free(as in price) version, which does not provide full bandwidth. |
| 09:41.41 | zhuyb | sh0rt:yes |
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| 09:42.10 | zhuyb | sh0rt:but there is no directory named build |
| 09:42.17 | takatumi | Prashant: for the modem? USR serial 56 |
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| 09:42.38 | zhuyb | sh0rt: after I mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build |
| 09:43.03 | Prashant | Takatumi: You mean do I need serial modem? |
| 09:43.06 | Azra`el | build links to the built source tree. |
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| 09:43.09 | zhuyb | sh0rt :no it says no rules for creating target |
| 09:43.13 | sh0rt | zhuyb, dont just make that directory |
| 09:43.16 | takatumi | Prashant: or buy the driver. |
| 09:43.25 | Prashant | Ok |
| 09:43.51 | Prashant | No but my real problem I want to do some developement.... |
| 09:43.57 | Azra`el | Prashant: intellinet sells intel chipset modems (hardware) with drivers on the cd for about us $20 |
| 09:43.59 | takatumi | Prashant: try the free version to see if it works, there might be free versions available as well, google. |
| 09:44.00 | zhuyb | sh0rt:I just want to see if it works. |
| 09:44.06 | Azra`el | drivers for linux on the cd. |
| 09:44.18 | Prashant | Ok |
| 09:44.19 | sh0rt | zhuyb, looking in mine, the build directory is a link back to my kernel source, you may need your source, although it doesnt say anything about it. |
| 09:44.24 | takatumi | Prashant: debian without a network is only half way. |
| 09:44.26 | Prashant | I will do that |
| 09:44.47 | Prashant | That I realised after installing base system |
| 09:45.17 | zhuyb | sh0rt:yes, I think perhaps it's related to source, |
| 09:45.18 | Prashant | Would you guys suggest me some project from where I can start my developement? |
| 09:45.48 | sh0rt | zhuyb, funny cause it doesnt say you need it in the readme, |
| 09:45.59 | takatumi | Prashant: check the debian-devel mailing list or maybe #debian-mentors, read the New Maintainer docs etc. |
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| 09:46.17 | manchot | how to completely uninstall a package with all its configure files? |
| 09:46.33 | takatumi | manchot: --purge |
| 09:46.39 | Prashant | Ok |
| 09:46.45 | takatumi | manchot: man apt-get |
| 09:46.46 | zhuyb | sh0rt,could you tell me how to get debian source? |
| 09:46.49 | harken | manchot: apt-get remove package_name --purge |
| 09:47.19 | sh0rt | zhuyb, kernel source? |
| 09:47.23 | rixth | Can anyone recoomend a good app that can author DVDs? (by that I ean make menus and the like) |
| 09:47.42 | zhuyb | sh0rt,what is the source i needed? |
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| 09:48.13 | sh0rt | zhuyb, apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 09:48.35 | takatumi | zhuyb: why you need the ibm-acpi module? |
| 09:48.45 | takatumi | s/why/why do |
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| 09:49.44 | zhuyb | sh0rt ,I ' m downloading now. |
| 09:50.16 | takatumi | zhuyb: acpi on 2.6.10 and .11 works fine. |
| 09:50.18 | zhuyb | takatumi,cause Fn key doesn't work |
| 09:50.45 | takatumi | zhuyb: if it is specific to ibm, maybe try it then. |
| 09:51.04 | zhuyb | takatumi,I 'm using kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 09:52.01 | takatumi | zhuyb: either way, just the kernel-headers might be sufficient. |
| 09:52.05 | zhuyb | sh0rt,do you think upgrading my kernel to 2.6.10 is a good choice? |
| 09:52.22 | sh0rt | zhuyb, yes if you can |
| 09:52.46 | zhuyb | takatumi: could you tell me where to get those kernel-headers? |
| 09:52.49 | sh0rt | zhuyb, have to get it from unstable though |
| 09:53.03 | takatumi | zhuyb: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 09:53.03 | harken | zhuyb: 2.6.11.5 is out for a couple weeks now |
| 09:53.11 | zhuyb | sh0rt,just apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 09:53.31 | takatumi | zhuyb: you don't need the source, just the kernel-image will do. |
| 09:53.58 | sh0rt | takatumi, I think he needs the source, for some reason the make file needs a build directory that on my box, is a link back to my kernel source, and he doesnt have it |
| 09:54.31 | sh0rt | takatumi, even though the makefile says nothing about needing source |
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| 09:54.48 | takatumi | sh0rt: my point being that he might not need the third party module or compile the module against the corresponding kernel-headers. |
| 09:54.57 | sh0rt | zhuyb, do you have sid or sarge? |
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| 09:55.38 | sh0rt | takatumi, will the headers make that directory? I have no idea |
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| 09:56.16 | zhuyb | sh0rt,I have sarge |
| 09:56.41 | sundance | hello, can anyone show me where is CONFIG_FW_LOADER in 2.6.10 in Debian? It is supposed to be under DeviceDrivers/General/ but no |
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| 09:56.46 | takatumi | sh0rt: apt-cache show kernel-headers-2.6.10-1 |
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| 09:57.06 | ciga | hi |
| 09:57.16 | SuperCatFrog | hi - if i was to apt-get something, where would the tarball be saved? |
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| 09:57.39 | takatumi | zhuyb: also check out module-assistant |
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| 09:57.45 | sundance | Supaplex /var/cache/apt |
| 09:57.46 | doleyb | SuperCatFrog: it won't get a tarball, unless you're talking about "apt-get source", which will put it in pwd. |
| 09:57.50 | ciga | how do I disable prelink? When I don't have prelink installed it means it is disabled? Or I have to install prelink ? |
| 09:57.51 | harken | SuperCatFrog: apt-get won't get you any tarballs |
| 09:58.05 | sh0rt | takatumi, what I dont know, is if he gets the headers, will that make /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-i386/buid directory |
| 09:58.12 | SuperCatFrog | oh ye, i forgot debian uses .debs. where will it put the .debs then? |
| 09:58.18 | sundance | anyone tried ipw2200 under Debian unstabel |
| 09:58.24 | sundance | Supaplex, I answered you up |
| 09:58.27 | kurtak | HI everyone. I'm trying to be able to use my sound driver whenever i'm logged in as anyone other than root, but i'm having some difficulty. i added my username to the "audio" group (since audio is the group that /dev/dsp is in), but now when i try to start xmms, i get a warning message saying "alsa_get_mixer(): Attaching to mixer hw: 0 failed: Permission denied" Do you know what permissions it's talking about?? |
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| 09:59.06 | SuperCatFrog | kurtak - try as root: chmod a+rw /dev/dsp |
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| 09:59.28 | kurtak | SuperCatFrog: alright... |
| 09:59.40 | cahoot | kurtak: first check 'user' actually is in audio - groups 'user' |
| 09:59.50 | sh0rt | zhuyb, if you have sarge then you wont be able to apt-get the 2.6.10 kernel source unless you change your sources list. Your probably better off just downloading the .deb file and installing with dpkg |
| 10:00.19 | Quinn_Storm | its not a huge deal, but I am curious about something. I've installed sarge on a rather old machine, and am trying to get usb support to work properly. the usb driver loads (its an uhci device, Intel 82371SB, revision 01), but it won't react to any devices connected to the ports. Under windows it did react just fine (didn't have drivers for the devices, but I was just testing to see if it worked at all). hotplug is i |
| 10:00.19 | Quinn_Storm | n't work either. lsusb only shows the internal hub. I've tried with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel, and both usb uhci drivers under kernel 2.4. |
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| 10:00.47 | slugbug | Quinn_Storm: I've had the same problem on mine, I don't know what chipset it is |
| 10:00.51 | Supaplex | sundance: uh yea |
| 10:00.59 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: do an lspci and look for the usb controller |
| 10:01.04 | slugbug | it works fine with USB mass-storage devices, but not with my Quickcam |
| 10:01.06 | kurtak | cahoot- yeah, i'm in there |
| 10:01.10 | zhuyb | sh0rt,ok. |
| 10:01.18 | slugbug | 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) |
| 10:01.20 | slugbug | Same one, eh? |
| 10:01.25 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: well that could be a quickcam problem, this doesn't even recognize you plugged a device in (nothing printed to any of the logs) |
| 10:01.26 | zhuyb | sh0rt,I'v get source 2.6.8 |
| 10:01.40 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: and its not the same one, the ab/eb/mb are newer than the sb |
| 10:01.42 | slugbug | ... or USB HID devices |
| 10:01.45 | slugbug | ah |
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| 10:01.59 | kurtak | SuperCatFrog: did that, same problem tho |
| 10:02.03 | sundance | Supaplex: I can not enable CONFIG_FW_LOADER can you show where it is under make menuconfig? |
| 10:02.04 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: do you get any dmesg output when you plug an usb hid device in? that is, plug it in and look to see if there's anything added to dmesg |
| 10:02.17 | slugbug | let me check |
| 10:02.22 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: and they are similar chipsets btw so we could be having the same problem |
| 10:02.37 | sh0rt | zhuyb, ok it should be in /usr/src but you need to unpack it. |
| 10:02.44 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: oh, lol, you read off the ide not the usb, but they're on the same chip so no big deal |
| 10:02.50 | zhuyb | yes |
| 10:02.53 | zhuyb | sh0rt,yes |
| 10:02.54 | slugbug | whoops |
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| 10:02.58 | Paloseco | hi |
| 10:03.01 | slugbug | 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) |
| 10:03.06 | slugbug | right, I selected the wrong line |
| 10:03.27 | Paloseco | how many cds should i download of debian sarge to have kde, gtk+1.2, glib and more common apps? |
| 10:03.31 | Supaplex | sundance: check the Documentation/Configure.help |
| 10:03.31 | slugbug | nothing on dmesg about this game controller, the LED on it doesn't light up either |
| 10:03.57 | cahoot | kurtak: the native alsa device would be /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p - not /dev/dsp |
| 10:04.04 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: they're on the same chip anyway, its an intel PCIset chip, so its no big deal. ah, interesting...the light on my optical mouse at least comes on when I plug it in (and windows goes "unknown device" on that same box) |
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| 10:04.23 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: and I know the mouse works, its the one I use on this machine |
| 10:05.03 | sundance | Supaplex: Can you explain this then, if I enter CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y under .config and make why does it get deleted |
| 10:05.12 | kurtak | cahoot: ahhhh, let's try |
| 10:05.21 | opcodevoid | Please help with gaining internet connection.I have a router and using dhcp.Mt set up is debain woody version.I seem to have a problem with config eth0,auto neg partner ability 41e1? |
| 10:06.29 | Quinn_Storm | of course given that the box is gonna wind up being a server mostly its no big deal but I just wanted to know if I could fix the stupid usb problem |
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| 10:06.53 | kurtak | cahoot: but if i'm in the audio group, and that device in that group, shouldn't it work for me? |
| 10:07.07 | cahoot | kurtak: it should |
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| 10:07.37 | Supaplex | sundance: what's that option do? does it depend on something else? |
| 10:07.37 | Quinn_Storm | is there any way to get more usb debug info out of the system without recompiling the kernel? |
| 10:07.38 | sundance | Supaplex: There is no Documentation/Configure.help under 2.6.10 debian package |
| 10:07.44 | doublehp | I need to set up a diskless LFS with SSH and bind inside ... which basis can I use ? I am in trouble extracting a rebuilding the root of DawnsmallLinux ... cause I dont know how to build up a Knoppix |
| 10:08.08 | cahoot | kurtak: does 'fuser -v /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' give any output? |
| 10:08.09 | sundance | Supaplex, it allows firmwares to be loaded, especially in Intel Centrino 2200 wireless card |
| 10:08.37 | Supaplex | sundance: /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.4.27-rc3-3/Documentation/Configure.help.gz |
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| 10:09.08 | JoshTriplett | Anyone understand autotools and out-of-tree builds? I'm trying to make a program work with an out-of-tree build, but I'm having trouble with a header file that is generated from a .h.in file. |
| 10:09.14 | sundance | 2.4.27 ???? I'm talking about 2.6.10 |
| 10:09.17 | Supaplex | sundance: you'll need to adjust for your kernel-package, of course (I was implying /usr/src/linux-x.y.zz/Documenation/...) |
| 10:09.32 | kurtak | cahoot: nope |
| 10:09.50 | JoshTriplett | The header file is generated in the temporary directory, and I'm not sure how to 1) make the build find it, and 2) make sure it gets installed. |
| 10:10.01 | cahoot | kurtak: try aplay some.wav |
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| 10:10.22 | opcodevoid | Any ideas to my question? |
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| 10:10.33 | Vukodlak | hi all :) |
| 10:10.51 | Vukodlak | i'm running Debian 3.1 on an iBook G4 |
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| 10:11.01 | ciga | wine always tell me 'Do you have exec-shield or prelink active?' so I have to disable prelink. I don't have exec shield. I have PRELINKING=no in /etc/default/prelink and then I executed prelink -ua, but wine still complains. |
| 10:11.01 | Vukodlak | i can't get the embedded modem working |
| 10:11.02 | kurtak | cahoot: i changed the permissions of that device, and xmms doesn't give the warning anymore; although, xmms doesn't even start |
| 10:11.05 | Quinn_Storm | slugbug: well at least I know my problem isn't one-of-a-kind. if I had an usb mass storage device I'd pop it in and see what it said |
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| 10:11.12 | Vukodlak | i googled and found something about hcf linuxant drivers |
| 10:11.12 | slugbug | yeah |
| 10:11.16 | doleyb | opcodevoid: is your /etc/network/interfaces set for dhcp? |
| 10:11.19 | kurtak | cahoot: trying aplay now |
| 10:11.32 | Vukodlak | i tried it but it says that detects no devices |
| 10:11.36 | JoshTriplett | Vukodlak: You won't be able to use those, as they use an x86 binary-only module. |
| 10:11.46 | Vukodlak | JoshTriplett, there is a ppc one |
| 10:11.54 | JoshTriplett | Vukodlak: Ah, that's new. |
| 10:11.59 | Vukodlak | yep |
| 10:12.07 | opcodevoid | Mabe not doleyb.I had a problem with lilo and needed to reinstall lilo to dual boot again.I did have this problem before and had to config something. |
| 10:12.12 | Vukodlak | but it doesn't work... |
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| 10:12.27 | Vukodlak | "no devices detected by hcfusb driver" |
| 10:12.36 | Vukodlak | indeed, with lsusb i see nothing |
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| 10:13.10 | Vukodlak | anyone encountered the same problem? |
| 10:13.47 | rixth | Can anyone recoomend a good app that can author DVDs? (by that I mean make menus and the like) |
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| 10:14.47 | serj | i want to change this ugly gtk keramik theme cause of the buttons but i couldn't find where from |
| 10:14.50 | serj | any ideas |
| 10:15.05 | JoshTriplett | serj: You want gtk-theme-switch. |
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| 10:16.33 | kurtak | cahoot: i don't have aplay- i couldn't get it with my config of apt, so i tried using alsaplayer, and i got the message: "Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. error opening /dev/dsp Failed to initialize plugin! /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/liboss_out.so failed to load" |
| 10:16.45 | serj | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss |
| 10:16.50 | serj | now that's beter |
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| 10:16.58 | serj | thankls alot and bye |
| 10:17.14 | JoshTriplett | rixth: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=dvd§ion=projects gives a number of promising results. |
| 10:17.46 | cahoot | kurtak: looks to me you want alsaplayer-alsa |
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| 10:18.40 | kurtak | cahoot: because alsaplayer's trying to use OSS, or...? |
| 10:18.46 | JoshTriplett | rixth: And more specifically, http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=dvdauthor§ion=projects gives several nice GUI frontends to dvdauthor. |
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| 10:19.27 | cahoot | kurtak: check that you have /proc/asound and its contents |
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| 10:20.35 | kurtak | cahoot: yeah, there's stuff in there; card0/, cards, devices, Modem, modules, oss/, pcm, seq/, timers, version |
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| 10:20.57 | sundance | Supaplex, Have a look under /usr/src/linux/Documentation under 2.6.10 and you'll see what I mean |
| 10:21.30 | cahoot | kurtak: yes sorry - forgot that your initial problem was using sound as user - worked for root |
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| 10:21.56 | kurtak | cahoot: right :) |
| 10:22.17 | rixth | JoshTriplett, thanks! Now, if I can only get the driver to compile =/ What do the make errors 1 & 2 mean? |
| 10:23.54 | cahoot | kurtak: this is what you get from ls -la ? crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 2004-07-20 19:18 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
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| 10:25.16 | rixth | Could someone please join me in #rixth for a couple kernel questions? |
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| 10:25.26 | adonix | how about kino? |
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| 10:25.39 | adonix | isn't a video editor? |
| 10:25.42 | kurtak | cahoot: i did before i changed the permissions with chmod a+rw |
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| 10:25.56 | rixth | adonix, I don't think it can make menus etc |
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| 10:26.02 | kurtak | cahoot: is it a good idea to change the permissions back? |
| 10:26.08 | adonix | I see |
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| 10:26.13 | kurtak | cahoot: since that didn't change anything |
| 10:26.39 | cahoot | kurtak: mine are not tampered with - works |
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| 10:27.13 | adonix | rixth: I'm looking at the site |
| 10:27.23 | adonix | which looks good to you so far |
| 10:28.03 | rixth | Hmm, maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not going to be doing anything if I can't get this driver to compile though. I think I'm missing some nernel modules. |
| 10:28.38 | cahoot | kurtak: alsa-utils includes aplay |
| 10:28.58 | kurtak | cahoot: cool- i'd like to change it back then. So, yes, then my ls -l output is the same. i'll check out alsa-utils |
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| 10:30.54 | rixth | I need these modules CONFIG_HOTPLUG CONFIG_MODULES CONFIG_KMOD CONFIG_FW_LOADER CONFIG_I2C CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV CONFIG_SOUND CONFIG_SND CONFIG_USB CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD How can I find out if I have them/where can I get them? |
| 10:31.48 | kurtak | cahoot: downloading the utils now... |
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| 10:32.23 | adonix | rixth: are you refering to able to install one of those dvd authoring tools |
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| 10:32.45 | adonix | that you need all those things |
| 10:33.14 | rixth | adonix, no, I need those modules to make the driver for my PVR. (Plextor TV402U), the driver is open source, released by Plextor |
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| 10:34.08 | jp | Hi, could someone explain to me the difference between C or C++ and Python language, in their capabilities? Because I think they are similar about their capabilities but since I don't know well programming, I don't know |
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| 10:34.47 | Vukodlak | jp, C is more low-level than C++ and python |
| 10:34.50 | adonix | c was the first before c++ |
| 10:34.56 | Vukodlak | C and C++ are compiled and not interpreted |
| 10:35.01 | Vukodlak | python is interpreted |
| 10:35.06 | adonix | c++ the added more libraries to it |
| 10:35.09 | Vukodlak | and both python and C++ are object oriented |
| 10:35.10 | adonix | like pointers |
| 10:35.11 | Vukodlak | :) |
| 10:35.19 | adonix | that's right |
| 10:35.25 | Pappa | c++ did _not_ add pointers to c. |
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| 10:35.46 | adonix | no |
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| 10:35.58 | adonix | I meant they added pointers |
| 10:35.59 | adonix | right |
| 10:36.00 | adonix | ? |
| 10:36.05 | adonix | oh |
| 10:36.06 | adonix | my bad |
| 10:36.14 | guest_ | im a newbie to linux, i just installed mepis pro on my thinkpad. after i updated mepis with the counsol, i was no longer allowed to access the root account. how do i gain access back to the root account? |
| 10:36.15 | adonix | it was already there |
| 10:36.20 | adonix | my bad |
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| 10:36.55 | jp | ok thanks very much. And do you think C++ is more powerful than Python? |
| 10:37.15 | Vukodlak | depends on what you want to do |
| 10:37.23 | Vukodlak | python is surely more readable, eheh |
| 10:37.35 | adonix | I'm sort of new to python |
| 10:37.42 | Pappa | well, python is an interpreted language, like perl, php or bash, giving it a performance penalty in startup times, while adding safety such as garbage collection. I'd say that unless you are developing a system / very heavy game, go for python. |
| 10:37.44 | adonix | but I think c++ is very powerful |
| 10:38.15 | adonix | java has garbage collection as well |
| 10:38.44 | maw_ | adonix, We C lover cant stand C++ |
| 10:39.07 | Pappa | well just look at templates. |
| 10:39.24 | render | ls |
| 10:39.26 | Pappa | if they could implent it any less clean and more confusing.. then i dunno. |
| 10:39.44 | jp | ok, well so I will start learning Python, and later when I'll know to program with it, I think I'm going to see ´C++. But Python seems to be enough |
| 10:40.02 | maw_ | jp, coding time may be shorter when coding python, but the C++ code is much more effective |
| 10:40.08 | jp | Moreover I need a readable language, so I prefer p&thon I think |
| 10:40.09 | maw_ | since it's binary |
| 10:40.30 | maw_ | jp, C is readable |
| 10:40.34 | jp | maw_, ah ok, I understand |
| 10:40.36 | kurtak | cahoot: okay, installed the alsa-utils and tried playing a wav, and the output i get now is "aplay: set_params:910: Unable to install hw params: ..." with all the wav properties listed below |
| 10:40.39 | Pappa | jp: you can do most things in python, and if there's something you can't do, someone probably wrote a module for it. |
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| 10:41.14 | kurtak | cahoot: same thing happens when i try as root too... hm |
| 10:41.35 | jp | ah ok. But how do we have python modules on Debian? The line to import modules didn't work, it doesn't find the library |
| 10:42.26 | cahoot | kurtak: what kind of system/kernel is this? |
| 10:42.27 | xammu | (freechar plugin notice) I'm using UTF-8 charset(encoding) for my russian-cyrillic, so if you're using another, please type '~encoding' (encoding: cp, koi) that you're using, thus we can comunicate well, thanks ! |
| 10:43.39 | maw_ | how do I set GDM as default? |
| 10:44.14 | jp | well, thanks for information anyway, and I'll go on learning my python |
| 10:44.41 | kurtak | cahoot: debian sarge, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 10:44.50 | xophEr | maw_, /etc/X11 and edit default-display-manager |
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| 10:45.01 | kurtak | cahoot: on an ibm thinkpad t40 |
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| 10:45.41 | Iwrite | Hm. Any special reason why d/l-ing each Debian .iso takes hours when my DSL connection took 20 minutes each to d/l same-size CentOS iso? |
| 10:46.13 | sinoth | try a different mirror maybe |
| 10:46.59 | maw_ | Iwrite: dumb question! |
| 10:47.00 | maw_ | :P |
| 10:47.30 | Iwrite | sinoth: I tried the two closest to me. |
| 10:47.53 | Iwrite | maw: No such thing as dumb question. Only dumb answer.:^) |
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| 10:48.01 | fabrizio | hi all |
| 10:48.08 | sinoth | 'lo fab |
| 10:48.33 | fabrizio | someone knows how to know wich kernel is there in my machine? |
| 10:48.46 | appaji | fabrizio: uname -a |
| 10:48.47 | sinoth | uname -r |
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| 10:49.04 | dfd | hello |
| 10:49.13 | Iwrite | I ordered Debian Sarge Bible with install CDs from Wiley Publishing in Aug., 2004. Still await delivery.:^/ |
| 10:49.13 | fabrizio | ok |
| 10:49.16 | fabrizio | thanks |
| 10:49.18 | fabrizio | bye |
| 10:49.20 | dfd | uhm.. which was the command to handle boot-started services? |
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| 10:50.35 | sussudio | dfd: update-rc.d |
| 10:51.14 | dfd | sussudio: oh thanks |
| 10:51.45 | dfd | I remember there was a graphical gui one too |
| 10:51.59 | sussudio | rcconf or something |
| 10:52.01 | sussudio | !rcconf |
| 10:52.02 | dpkg | it has been said that rcconf is a frontend to the update-rc.d |
| 10:52.15 | dfd | thx again :) |
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| 10:54.45 | rajoosh | hi |
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| 10:56.11 | sinoth | 'lo raj |
| 10:57.04 | Pappa | do i really need to login to sf.net's anonymous cvs repository? |
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| 10:57.29 | sinoth | in what context? to check out source? |
| 10:57.36 | rajoosh | hopw r u |
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| 10:57.43 | rajoosh | gmnh |
| 10:58.02 | rajoosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.21 | Pappa | sinoth: yes |
| 10:58.40 | Pappa | sinoth: in the "build-like-50-checkouts-from-a-script" context |
| 10:58.58 | Pappa | anyway i found a workaround, when i log in the pass is saves to ~/.cvspass |
| 10:59.02 | Pappa | saved* |
| 10:59.13 | sinoth | ahh, nice :) |
| 10:59.21 | sinoth | you ok there rajoosh? |
| 10:59.32 | rajoosh | yes |
| 10:59.35 | rajoosh | how r u |
| 10:59.37 | rajoosh | aslplz |
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| 10:59.54 | sinoth | -_-; |
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| 10:59.59 | alfatau | hi do u know a command which launch a process for "n" seconds? i intend a process which usually rests open if anyone kills it. so this command would kill the process automatically after "n seconds" |
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| 11:00.34 | Pappa | sleep X; killall -9 process ? |
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| 11:00.38 | Nolius_ | hello, can somebody explain me how to create a .deb of a mono based application? |
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| 11:01.08 | rajoosh | bnjg |
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| 11:01.24 | Dull404 | is directConnect client dcqui in the repos? i think its called dcqui-qt but apt-get cant find it.... |
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| 11:02.07 | Iwrite | What's on Debian install CDs that it has 7 ISOs? Must be everything, and then some.:^) |
| 11:02.18 | alfatau | Pappa: unfortunately i can't do it, because i need to store the output of the launched process |
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| 11:02.53 | Nolius_ | or can somebody make a .deb og graphmonkey.sourceforge.net |
| 11:02.55 | takatumi | Iwrite: that's woody, sarge has more. |
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| 11:04.28 | Pappa | alfatau: you want to do this: #1 launch the process, log output to file "foobar" #2 kill process after X seconds? |
| 11:04.55 | dfd | alfatau: sh -c "command > outputfile" & ; sleep X ; killall command / |
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| 11:05.01 | dfd | i think it should work |
| 11:05.01 | Dull404 | anyone know? |
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| 11:05.36 | dfd | sh -c is not needed |
| 11:05.43 | Nolius_ | please, can you tell me where i can found a good tutorial to make a .deb? |
| 11:05.44 | haga | Dull404, look on debian.org, under packages |
| 11:05.44 | RjY | how about: yes & sleep 2 ; kill $! |
| 11:05.52 | cryptic2 | hmm I cant make cron to work.. have I missed something? I just mada a texfile with the commands I want to be executed and put the file in /etc/cron.hourly/ . and then I executed "sudo cron" and the deamon is in background. But the command has not been executing according to logfiles.. |
| 11:05.58 | sinoth | sorry Dull404, couldn't find it on apt-get.org either |
| 11:06.01 | RjY | replace yes and 2 as appropriate |
| 11:06.24 | Dull404 | haga, i found it.. before, maybe i should enable something in my apt-get list? |
| 11:06.37 | chrizz | hi, uhm, if i sit behind a router/gw and send from internal network to outside some files via scp, is it possible for the admin@router/gw what files im sending? |
| 11:06.40 | Dull404 | haga, if its in unstable/testing/extra branch... or something |
| 11:06.50 | Dull404 | sinoth, :( |
| 11:07.14 | sinoth | Nolius_, its probably harder than imagining... http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 11:07.36 | Nolius_ | why? |
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| 11:07.48 | sinoth | Nolius_, not sure, haven't done it before. just looks intimidating :) |
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| 11:07.55 | bbrazil | chrizz: on, its all encrypted |
| 11:08.10 | chrizz | hum |
| 11:08.18 | bbrazil | chrizz: *no, however a large file tansfer would be noticable from a bandwidth standpoint |
| 11:08.31 | Pappa | shouldn't be too hard if you have a makefile with an "install" target (checkinstall will do it for you then) |
| 11:08.31 | chrizz | ya, thats clear ... |
| 11:08.32 | haga | Dull404, ok, looked it up for you, looks like its called dcgui |
| 11:08.44 | bbrazil | chrizz: assuming SSHv2 - SSHv1 is sniffable and hence they could see it |
| 11:09.02 | chrizz | uhm, nope, i was using sshv2 |
| 11:09.02 | Dull404 | haga, thats something else... it got renamed to dcqui-qt |
| 11:09.07 | Nolius_ | I what to make a .deb of a mono based application, the methode is the same? |
| 11:09.15 | alfatau | Pappa: yes, and then launching some other command relative to process output |
| 11:09.23 | haga | Dull404, ah :) |
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| 11:10.33 | sinoth | Dull404, it appears dcgui-qt was renamed again to valknut, which is in the repos |
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| 11:11.39 | Dull404 | sinoth, ah yes of cource.. its called valknut now :) |
| 11:12.41 | Dull404 | sinoth, valknut not found byt apt-get... maybe i need to enable non-us repos or something? |
| 11:12.41 | chrizz | i worked for some weeks at t-mobile (about 3 weeks ago) and now they come to me, telling me, i did some hacking ... im not sure what to tell, cause i did some scp traffic (about 200-300mb total) and set up a reverse ssh connection ... they didnt tell me, what the matter is, so im not sure what to tell next week :P |
| 11:12.44 | haga | cryptic2, have you tested the script from outside cron? have you made the textfile executable? |
| 11:13.42 | chrizz | so i think they caugt my reverse ssh connection, if sshv2 isnt possible to see which files were beeing transferred |
| 11:13.54 | chrizz | right? |
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| 11:15.51 | RjY | Dull404 --- valknut is in unstable but hasn't entered sarge for some reason, http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/valknut.html |
| 11:17.12 | hasimir44 | chrizz - tmobile is probably paranoid due to being hacked in the news recently... that sucks |
| 11:17.44 | Dull404 | RjY, hm ok... i guess i have to build it then...... :( |
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| 11:18.51 | chrizz | hasimir44: you think about the paris hilton site? :P |
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| 11:18.58 | harobed | I've starting scanning error I/O when I get preview in xsane. My scanner is well know with scanimage -L |
| 11:19.00 | Dull404 | RjY, or do u know of another DirectConnect client? for X |
| 11:19.02 | harobed | what can I do ? |
| 11:19.11 | Iwrite | Hm. FDisk doesn't seem to offer Reiser fs. I'm trying to clean file system error off Maxtor 80GB drive, by using Reiser instead of ext3. How to in fdisk? |
| 11:19.23 | sinoth | chrizz, the fact that those connections even took place is prolly enough, regardless of what was transferred |
| 11:19.28 | Dull404 | sinoth, it didnt work |
| 11:19.31 | RjY | Dull404 --- sorry, no, I don't use it |
| 11:19.57 | Dull404 | RjY, ok |
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| 11:20.08 | RjY | and if I did I'd prefer a version that ran in a terminal :) |
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| 11:20.26 | Dull404 | RjY, hehe... there is |
| 11:20.52 | Pappa | Dull404: dcgui |
| 11:20.56 | Pappa | for text there's dctc |
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| 11:21.01 | sinoth | Iwrite: what do you mean? flag the partition as reiser, or format with reiser |
| 11:21.05 | chrizz | sinoth: but they gave me the shell-acc, i didnt hack it ... i was just intended to code php which were on a samba share ... so i didnt need the shell acc, but i got it ... |
| 11:21.27 | sinoth | chrizz, what are they accusing you of then? |
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| 11:22.18 | Iwrite | Sorry. Mis-stated my question. NM. |
| 11:22.25 | chrizz | im not sure, my boss just told me something about "hack tryouts" (i can just image, that the reverse ssh may be the problem) |
| 11:22.27 | Dull404 | Pappa, im used to using valknut, or dc++ for windows... haven't tried dcgui though |
| 11:23.10 | sinoth | chrizz, probably, can't think of many legit reasons for reverse ssh if they've already given you an acct |
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| 11:23.47 | Dull404 | hey if i use a non-US mirror, will non-US packages be automatic availible? |
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| 11:24.03 | PerfDave | Dull404: /msg dpkg non-US |
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| 11:24.22 | Dull404 | PerfDave, thanks |
| 11:24.24 | chrizz | sinoth: why? if they give me an account, which i dont need for work ... then i just thought, ok, i got the rights legally, so i may use them |
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| 11:24.55 | Pappa | Dull404: i think i tried it long ago, better than valknut |
| 11:24.56 | PerfDave | Dull404: Bear in mind that non-US only affects Woody |
| 11:25.40 | sinoth | chrizz, not sure, but sounds like it could get messy >_< keep us updated though |
| 11:25.40 | Dull404 | PerfDave, oh ok. i use sarge, just installed it 10 min ago :) switched from another distro |
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| 11:26.07 | Dull404 | Pappa, :D worth a try then |
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| 11:27.10 | Pappa | Dull404: it also handles ed2k and bittorrent. |
| 11:27.16 | Dull404 | PerfDave, so then "by default" i got non-US repos? |
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| 11:27.38 | Dull404 | Pappa, i need btdownloadxxxxx.py then? |
| 11:27.46 | PerfDave | Dull404: No, there are no non-us repositories for Sarge. |
| 11:28.15 | Dull404 | PerfDave, hm... i was hope there was mplayer at least |
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| 11:29.09 | PerfDave | Dull404: mplayer isn't in Debian for patent reasons, not for US cryptographic law reasons. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:30.08 | tim_h_ | where do I set "reboot after kernel panic"? |
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| 11:31.18 | chrizz | tim_h_: lilo.conf |
| 11:31.21 | C17H21NO4 | tim_h_: kernel parameter in your bootloader |
| 11:31.26 | jan__ | quotacheck: Cannot rename new quotafile /tmp/aquota.user.new to name /tmp/aquota.user: Operation not permitted |
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| 11:31.35 | jan__ | .. as root, anyone has an idea ? |
| 11:31.38 | chrizz | tim_h_: append line: panic=10 |
| 11:31.46 | xk | or... echo 10 > /proc/sys/kernel/panic ? |
| 11:31.47 | chrizz | 10 are the seconds |
| 11:31.54 | tim_h_ | chrizz, C17H21NO4: thanks! |
| 11:32.01 | chrizz | xk: i used this, but this didnt work everytime |
| 11:32.10 | sinoth | prolly a silly question, but has anyone in here had experience with a Thinkpad 365XD laptop? |
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| 11:33.04 | tim_h_ | for an athlon XP I use one of these K7 kernel images, right? |
| 11:33.07 | harobed | sinoth, are you look on mobilix ? |
| 11:33.10 | chrizz | sinoth: try www.linux-on-laptops.com |
| 11:33.20 | valdyn | sinoth: /msg dpkg laptops ( the given sites have a ton of howtos on thinkpads ) |
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| 11:33.34 | C17H21NO4 | sinoth: Or just ask you question. |
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| 11:33.48 | Magellano | buongiorno |
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| 11:51.42 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet || d-i rc3 out! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 11:52.17 | valdyn | PerfDave: nvidias changelog sais something along the lines of "fixes bad interaction w/ udev" |
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| 11:53.51 | Dull404 | does xfree86 use the highest vertrefresh by default? i specified 50-75... is there a way to check what its running on? |
| 11:54.05 | PerfDave | Dull404: /var/log/XFree86.0.log should tell you. |
| 11:54.11 | PerfDave | valdyn: Cool. I've been wanting to have a play with gnome-volume-manager but not badly enough to risk breaking my system. |
| 11:54.22 | valdyn | Dull404: it uses only modelines available in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:54.34 | PerfDave | valdyn: This does of course mean installing several tonnes of gnomecrap on my system, I might just not bother :/ |
| 11:54.44 | sinoth | C17H21NO4, It appears the blacklist fix applies to cases in which two drivers are fighting for a card, and I don't believe that is the case. Interesting lead though :) |
| 11:54.46 | Dull404 | valdyn, i know but i want the highest possible |
| 11:54.47 | mikywhite | does alsamixer have a config file i can use so i won't have change my setting everytime i reboot? |
| 11:54.49 | valdyn | PerfDave: oh, the udev breakage wasn't huge, just that you had to add nvidia to /etc/modules |
| 11:55.20 | valdyn | Dull404: yea, so, generate a modeline that suits you, if that isnt in XF86Config-4 |
| 11:55.35 | PerfDave | mikywhite: It should save its settings automaticaly. |
| 11:55.44 | Iwrite | I want to put /home on separate partition, to preserve data from future file system error(s). Allowing for log activities and any / additions from new software install, what's a maximum partition needed by /? |
| 11:55.54 | PerfDave | mikywhite: Or rather, alsactl should save your mixer settings on shutdown and restore them on boot. |
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| 11:56.19 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Depends on what you want with your system. As little as 200Mb, perhaps. |
| 11:56.30 | mikywhite | perfdave, it saved the setting for root, but for other users it keeps reseting |
| 11:56.45 | Dull404 | PerfDave, it says using range 50-75 .... |
| 11:56.49 | xk | PerfDave: 200megs... good luck :) |
| 11:57.03 | PerfDave | xk: I've run a full system on a 200Mb hard drive, /home included. |
| 11:57.04 | xk | my 486 needs 500megs |
| 11:57.12 | xk | PerfDave: maybe in the slink days |
| 11:57.14 | valdyn | mikywhite: there is no seperate settings for root / users |
| 11:57.16 | xk | but good luck with woody/sarge |
| 11:57.19 | takatumi | Iwrite: how much space do you have? |
| 11:57.26 | Dull404 | valdyn, dpkg-reconfigure x-window-server .. or is there a "tweak" tool? |
| 11:57.29 | PerfDave | xk: Uhm, that was with Woody. |
| 11:57.36 | sinoth | xk, my 133mhz laptop only uses about 300 |
| 11:57.39 | xk | PerfDave: it must have had nothing installed. |
| 11:57.46 | Odaeus | Hi, is anyone aware of a problem that causes the Debian installer to not see that a HD is partitioned? Fdisk and the rest see them fine, but the installer wants to create a new table. |
| 11:57.48 | Dull404 | x-window-system even... |
| 11:57.50 | valdyn | Dull404: that doesnt add modelines. |
| 11:58.01 | PerfDave | xk: Apache, Postgres, OpenSSH, exim.... |
| 11:58.02 | takatumi | nothing is very relative. |
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| 11:58.21 | valdyn | Dull404: look if your settings are ok though, look what modelines exist and which are used, then you can consider creating a new one |
| 11:58.21 | xk | hrm... I do have a 64meg swap file :) |
| 11:58.21 | takatumi | PerfDave: X? |
| 11:58.35 | mikywhite | valdyn, yes you right, i looked at the wrong thing |
| 11:58.39 | PerfDave | takatumi: It did have, but I ended up removing it. X with 24Mb RAM wasn't pretty. |
| 11:59.06 | Dull404 | valdyn, problem is that i dont have the docs for my hardware, this is an old computer... so dont know what its capable of... |
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| 11:59.50 | Pappa | PerfDave: it should be fully usable, i ran evilwm on a 486 with 16M ram |
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| 12:00.07 | Pappa | feels like running windows xp on a p-2 / 128, but still usable |
| 12:00.09 | PerfDave | Pappa: It was slow as shit, even with twm. |
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| 12:01.03 | valdyn | Dull404: you can experiment, ( though manuals claim that could break your display ) |
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| 12:01.37 | valdyn | Dull404: some display drivers *might* show info in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 12:01.42 | Dull404 | valdyn, tried ubuntu.. and it had some sort of autodetect tool.... cant find it in debian |
| 12:02.33 | Iwrite | PerfDave: This is workstation; for usual Desktop functions (Internet, word-process, bookkeeping), plus multimedia storage and editing. Latest (CentOS) install attempt needed 3.2GB, including default /home. |
| 12:02.36 | takatumi | Dull404: is this sarge? |
| 12:02.47 | Dull404 | takatumi, yup |
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| 12:03.11 | valdyn | Dull404: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does autodetect where it can just like ubuntu |
| 12:03.44 | Dull404 | valdyn, ok. must have been a script then..... |
| 12:03.50 | jez | how can i raise or lower the audio volume from the command line (with a single command, not something like alsamixer). I'm using alsa. |
| 12:04.02 | takatumi | Dull404: what are you talking about? |
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| 12:04.06 | valdyn | Dull404: "lspci" to see your gfx chip, "get-edid | parse-edid" to see your monitor values ( if your monitor supports it ) |
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| 12:04.22 | EvilAl | Hello. Is there a way of putting an icon on my launcher to eject the CD? |
| 12:04.28 | Iwrite | Odaeus: That's SOP for installs. Since one can't install to "naked" drive, you partition enough so install will boot and write to drive, then refine during install partition. |
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| 12:04.34 | EvilAl | So I don't have to keep going to a desktop to do it |
| 12:04.44 | Dull404 | takatumi, what? |
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| 12:05.09 | tarzeau | does anyone remember having had an MSX? |
| 12:05.45 | Pappa | it's so annying when your friends want to switch to a free unix (from windows), and they keep asking dumb questions and make you do everything over ssh |
| 12:05.50 | Ragan | EvilAl, what launcher? |
| 12:06.13 | EvilAl | Ragan: I'm gonna say gnome at the risk of sounding stupid. |
| 12:06.15 | PerfDave | Iwrite: Just shove everything in a big / partition, don't bother with a seperate /home |
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| 12:06.20 | Odaeus | Iwrite: thanks but I don't understand your answer. The HD is already partitioned with NTFS, ext3, and swap drives. The installer sees none of them. Apologies if I wasn't clear. |
| 12:06.29 | EvilAl | Whatever's default with Hoary |
| 12:06.34 | PerfDave | EvilAl: #ubuntu |
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| 12:06.39 | tarzeau | Pappa: can you bring an example dumb question? and an example what they make you do over ssh? |
| 12:06.40 | EvilAl | They don't know. |
| 12:06.45 | PerfDave | EvilAl: That's not #debian's problem. |
| 12:06.49 | PerfDave | EvilAl: #gnome |
| 12:06.53 | EvilAl | I was only askin :-\ |
| 12:07.01 | tarzeau | EvilAl: and they only replied |
| 12:07.06 | EvilAl | What server's #gnome on? |
| 12:07.09 | PerfDave | EvilAl: Well ask somewhere that's got something to do with the distribution or software you're running. |
| 12:07.12 | tarzeau | EvilAl: irc.gnome.org |
| 12:07.13 | PerfDave | EvilAl: No idea. |
| 12:07.16 | EvilAl | ta |
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| 12:07.36 | Dull404 | PerfDave, nope it doesnt say in /var/log/Xfree.. etc |
| 12:07.59 | PerfDave | Dull404: Oh well. |
| 12:08.01 | Ragan | or he could try ##linux |
| 12:08.14 | PerfDave | Or ##debian *snigger* |
| 12:08.19 | Ragan | hehe |
| 12:08.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: MSX, yes, why? |
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| 12:08.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: do you remember the game Knightmare: Maze of Galious ? |
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| 12:09.06 | takatumi | tarzeau: hmm, hope. |
| 12:09.34 | takatumi | tarzeau: all I used to play was nemesis. :) |
| 12:09.41 | hgoesm | cann someone help me: i get an error fatal IO errot 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0:0" after 0 requests (o kononw processed) Its an ubuntu server |
| 12:09.52 | Pappa | tarzeau: "How do i install X?" A: "well, open your shell, cd /path/to/file; tar zxvf file.tgz; ./ocnfigure && make && make install" .. "uh.. ok" .. "canæt you do it?" |
| 12:09.58 | Iwrite | mke2fs -r for Reiser? "Help" seems to indicate this, but doesn't specify. |
| 12:10.06 | Pappa | (not Xfree, but *) |
| 12:10.09 | doleyb | hgoesm: what where you trying when the error happened? |
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| 12:10.18 | hgoesm | startx |
| 12:10.22 | citral | hgoesm: /join #ubuntu |
| 12:10.37 | tarzeau | Pappa: can't you just say "apt-get install x-window-system-core" ? |
| 12:10.39 | PerfDave | hgoesm: #ubuntu |
| 12:10.41 | ysothoth | Iwrite: /sbin/mkfs.reiserfs |
| 12:10.44 | hgoesm | ok thx |
| 12:10.50 | PerfDave | Iwrite: I wouldn't use Reiser on your root partition, since (stability issues aside) it's not as well supported as ext2 or ext3 by rescue disks etc. |
| 12:10.54 | tarzeau | Pappa: i mean who installs it from source? |
| 12:11.10 | Pappa | tarzeau: not X, but like.. wildcard X |
| 12:11.29 | tarzeau | Pappa: isn't it the same for any? apt-get install whatever ? |
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| 12:11.32 | Pappa | tarzeau: i even installed apt on his box, teached him how to use it.. but still no go |
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| 12:11.43 | tarzeau | Pappa: wait you installed apt? it's NOT DEBIAN? |
| 12:11.45 | Pappa | tarzeau: runs SuSE =/ |
| 12:11.52 | citral | gah |
| 12:11.53 | ysothoth | heh |
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| 12:11.56 | tarzeau | Pappa: yuck! what friends do you have? |
| 12:12.00 | xk | SuRE |
| 12:12.02 | sinoth | fire them |
| 12:12.30 | sinoth | PerfDave, Wouldn't reiser be better if you were concerned about performance on your root partition? |
| 12:12.36 | Pappa | actually he started out with arch linux, which is really nice actually, but he was stupid enough to _buy_ suse because it had such a nice box |
| 12:12.40 | citral | !ricerfs |
| 12:12.41 | dpkg | somebody said ricerfs was the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 12:13.03 | tarzeau | Pappa: and you knew he was going to throw out the money before he bought it? |
| 12:13.11 | PerfDave | sinoth: I don't think so, no. ext2 or 3 is probably good enough. |
| 12:13.20 | tarzeau | Pappa: i'd tell him, "next time you give me the money, and get my personal support" |
| 12:13.25 | Iwrite | Odaeus: Oh. Guess I can't help. Sorry. |
| 12:13.28 | tarzeau | Pappa: now he can beg for help at suse |
| 12:13.58 | sinoth | ReiserFS used to have -bad- problems with corruption, but I believe they've since been fixed. I notice quite a difference between ext3 and Reiser on root, most notably in games |
| 12:14.11 | Pappa | tarzeau: had no idea. |
| 12:14.24 | jez | is there a way to make amixer increment/decrement the audio volume rather than set it to a given value? |
| 12:14.37 | tarzeau | jez: yes +/-n |
| 12:14.39 | PerfDave | sinoth: I guess it's a matter of opinion. I don't have any reason to switch from ext3. |
| 12:14.43 | xoz | !factinfo ricerfs |
| 12:14.44 | dpkg | ricerfs -- created by PerfDave <user488@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> at Tue Nov 2 18:45:17 2004 (143 days); it has been requested 75 times, last by citral, 2m 3s ago. |
| 12:14.45 | takatumi | tarzeau: tried this? http://openmsx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:14.46 | xk | dpkg: shredderfs is the new name for reiserfs |
| 12:14.46 | dpkg | xk: okay |
| 12:14.58 | xoz | !fire citral |
| 12:14.59 | dpkg | I'm sorry, citral, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 12:15.12 | citral | mmm? |
| 12:15.16 | PerfDave | sinoth: I've been considering playing with xfs for the snapshot and extended attribute functions. |
| 12:15.16 | Iwrite | PerfDave: Thanks. I'm trying to restore backup data from "file system error" drive, and someone suggested trying different fs to keep fs error from copying to new drive. |
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| 12:15.54 | tarzeau | takatumi: nope, but there's a maze of galious remake, that is fantastic (with new grpahics and sounds) i tried it yesterday. i'm creating some debian packages of it |
| 12:16.06 | jez | tarzeau: I tried 'amixer sset Master +5,+5 unmute' and it has just set it down to 0 |
| 12:16.26 | Iwrite | PErfDave: My thought was burn files to CD. Since 9660 is different from ext3, I'm hoping error doesn't copy to CD. |
| 12:16.29 | tarzeau | jez: i had seen an example last week at http://planet.debian.org |
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| 12:16.45 | xk | jez: try 80% instead of +5,+5 |
| 12:17.01 | xk | oh |
| 12:17.04 | xk | I didn't read your question |
| 12:17.11 | rixth | My system clock is set to 00:18 yet the timestamps in Gaim are showing up as 01:18, wtf?! The correct time is 00:18 |
| 12:17.18 | jez | xk: np, but for the record if I give it percentages it works |
| 12:17.24 | tarzeau | takatumi: actually there are screenshots on the url you pasted of maze of galious |
| 12:17.40 | ivh | hi, Im playing around a little with mod_python, it works fine on my sarge-box (apache2), but on a woody-machine (with apache1.3), the same does not work (I get the source of the .py file displayed) - I cannot see the error (Modules loaded, Handler set, nothing in error.log). any ideas? |
| 12:17.50 | PerfDave | rixth: Does your user account have a different timezone setting? Are you dual-booting with Windows? |
| 12:17.59 | PerfDave | rixth: Are you in the UK? :) |
| 12:18.21 | xoz | rixth: ntpdate |
| 12:18.23 | takatumi | tarzeau: yeah, just saw it. package em package em. |
| 12:18.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe :) i'll tell you when i have it -- it's fantastic, really |
| 12:18.56 | takatumi | tarzeau: which emulator? |
| 12:19.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: no emulator, native software, with source |
| 12:19.36 | takatumi | tarzeau: cool. |
| 12:19.54 | takatumi | tarzeau: if you get your hands on nemesis, let me know :) |
| 12:20.59 | jez | seems if I use aumix it should be easy to do what I want |
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| 12:24.14 | rixth | PerfDave, yes, I did recently change the time zone as Debian didn't pick up daylight savings |
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| 12:25.30 | Ragan | takatumi: Are you looking for Knightmare 2, The Maze of Galious rom? |
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| 12:26.26 | takatumi | Ragan: no, tarzeau is packaging it. the nemesis rom might be of interest. |
| 12:26.26 | Iwrite | Someone please tell me Debian supports Gigabyte mobos. Couldn't find this in Compatibility List. |
| 12:26.34 | takatumi | are these roms legit/free stuff? |
| 12:26.52 | Ragan | takatumi, sure, if you own the orginial I think :) |
| 12:27.15 | Pappa | anyone know a really sweet c64 emulator? |
| 12:27.17 | takatumi | Ragan: used to own one. :) |
| 12:27.27 | Gnea | Iwrite: yes. |
| 12:28.01 | takatumi | Ragan: which emulator are you using? |
| 12:28.07 | tarzeau | Ragan: you don't need to, the source was created from scratch as well as the graphics and the music |
| 12:28.18 | tarzeau | Ragan: ok the worlds look the same .. oh well. konami still exists? |
| 12:28.44 | Ragan | tarzeau, cool, do you have a URL for it? |
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| 12:28.56 | Ragan | takatumi, openMSX |
| 12:29.41 | takatumi | Ragan: getting it now. |
| 12:30.02 | Iwrite | Gnea: Thank you. Something in my hardware resists _any_ install; RH9 and CentOS, at least. Even tried RH8. Install on all gets to "loading /sbin loader," then "kernel panic: tried to kill init/fatal exception." I'm hoping Debian will work better. |
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| 12:30.25 | tarzeau | Ragan: sure, http://www.braingames.getput.com/mog/ |
| 12:30.28 | karsten | Iwrite: Have you tried Knoppix? |
| 12:30.34 | Gnea | Iwrite: i doubt that's a motherboard issue - what's the model #? |
| 12:30.56 | xk | what CPU asewll |
| 12:30.57 | karsten | Iwrite: ...and/or do you have Windows on the system now? |
| 12:31.12 | Iwrite | karsten: Knoppix boots, but takes a few tries. Same with other Distros. |
| 12:31.17 | Ragan | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 12:31.31 | karsten | Iwrite: That sounds like it might be flakey HW> |
| 12:31.42 | xk | might be a fried CPU... I've had the same thing happened (with a fried cpu) |
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| 12:31.59 | Iwrite | karsten: Started over with new partitions/ext3 fs. Didn't have Windoze, but was running Wine. |
| 12:31.59 | Gnea | Iwrite: that with a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:32.14 | SuD | hi, anybody knows about firefox 1.0.2 on sarge (or equivalent security patch) ? |
| 12:32.20 | Iwrite | Gnea: 2.4 |
| 12:32.28 | Gnea | ah ha |
| 12:32.31 | xk | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 12:32.36 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8655 kB, Installed size: 24332 kB |
| 12:32.38 | Gnea | Iwrite: try knoppix with a 2.6 kernel - or even kanotix |
| 12:32.51 | timo | + |
| 12:32.53 | citral | or even debian |
| 12:33.26 | timo | hm, I did turn xlock on before cleaning my keyboard |
| 12:33.26 | Gnea | citral: at this point it's better to ascertain that it's the hardware not the software |
| 12:33.29 | timo | wonder what happened to it |
| 12:33.40 | Iwrite | Mobo is Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7. Worked o.k. with RH9, until / file system error caused (I think) by room renters tripping 30-amp breaker. IF my drive was being written |
| 12:33.45 | Ragan | SuD, 1.0.2 is in sid now |
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| 12:34.12 | mejo | hi |
| 12:34.12 | xk | Iwrite: yeah... sounds like a fried cpu/mb that's partially working. |
| 12:34.23 | Iwrite | Docs say if my drive was being written to (logging, anything) when power cut, this can cause fs error. |
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| 12:34.35 | mejo | is there a way to make apache only host the pages that are configured as virtualhost? |
| 12:34.35 | citral | sure |
| 12:34.49 | dasunt | How would I 'shrink' a postscript file? |
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| 12:34.57 | dasunt | For printing, that is? |
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| 12:35.58 | Iwrite | xk: Getting same problem with duplicate tower, so suspect mobo. One mobo has last available BIOS update, other doesn't. |
| 12:36.02 | Gnea | dasunt: openoffice could do it |
| 12:36.34 | Iwrite | Re-partition/fs _should_ have cleaned fs error off current drive. |
| 12:36.38 | xk | Iwrite: hrm... booted debian or have you only tried redhat since you were originally using it? |
| 12:36.39 | mejo | currently all dns lookups that point to apache but have no virthost configured, make apache use the default documentroot. i'dd appreciate no answer at all rather than some 'site does not exist' cruft. |
| 12:36.50 | Pappa | this is so cool, i haven't played blue max since 1992 |
| 12:36.54 | cahoot | dasunt: psresize? |
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| 12:38.20 | Iwrite | xk: finding Debian difficult to obtain. Ordered 3.0 Bible w/CDs from Wiley Publishing in Aug. It still hasn't been delivered. Now d/l-ing ISOs from Oregon State, but it's taking hours per file.:^( |
| 12:38.24 | dasunt | Thanks Gnea, cahoot. |
| 12:38.41 | dasunt | Iwrite: Find another mirror. |
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| 12:39.09 | xk | Iwrite: how long does it take to download 120megs? |
| 12:39.15 | xk | you don't need 14 CDs |
| 12:39.21 | Iwrite | dasunt: I shopped mirrors. This is the "fastest" one I could find.:^/ |
| 12:39.34 | xk | what are you actually downloading, and at what speed |
| 12:40.04 | Iwrite | xk: These are 500MB files....7 of them. Currently d/l-ing #2. |
| 12:40.18 | xk | don't bother with #2 and highre |
| 12:40.29 | xk | you can install the rest with apt-get |
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| 12:42.19 | Iwrite | xk: d/l-ing from debian.oregonstate.edu (I'm in California) @ 40kbps. |
| 12:44.17 | Iwrite | xk: apt-get *.iso? |
| 12:44.17 | xk | uh |
| 12:44.17 | xoz | Iwrite: apt-setup |
| 12:44.17 | xk | you install from the first CD |
| 12:44.17 | xk | you can install packages afterwards with apt-get |
| 12:44.17 | llama32 | is apt just a frontend to dpkg that provides an easier way to download files, or am i missing the complexity of it? |
| 12:44.17 | xk | from remote repositories |
| 12:44.18 | xk | llama32: yes. |
| 12:44.27 | Pappa | cool, i just crashed my c64 with a basic app |
| 12:44.40 | llama32 | xk: yes to its just a downloader, or yes im missing the complexity? |
| 12:44.43 | doleyb | llama32: That's pretty much what apt does. The important part is that it downloads not just 1 package, but all other packages that one needs. |
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| 12:45.05 | Iwrite | Just remember, I'm Debian mongoloid, studying hard to become Debian idiot.:^) E.G., brand baby new at this distro. |
| 12:45.09 | llama32 | thanks xk & doleyb |
| 12:45.11 | xk | llama32: yes to first part of question. essentially that's what it does... |
| 12:45.21 | doleyb | llama32: unlike how (for example) red-hat users run rpm, see a list of missing packages, go download all of them, and then try to install, and see they need to download even more... |
| 12:45.25 | xk | and it deals with dependencies |
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| 12:46.07 | llama32 | yeah i get it i was just wondering if it does a lot of the things i though dpkg did |
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| 12:46.41 | xk | llama32: dpkg deals with the packages itself. apt-get helps dpkg. |
| 12:46.42 | doleyb | llama32: dpkg installs/queries/uninstalls individual deb files from your system. |
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| 12:47.27 | doleyb | llama32: apt finds deb files, including replacements and dependencies for ones you already have, and uses dpkg to install/replace them. |
| 12:48.07 | doleyb | llama32: explain how you think apt is unsuitable? |
| 12:48.25 | dasunt | apt under stable is pretty nice for dialup. |
| 12:48.26 | apt | dasunt: okay |
| 12:48.28 | doleyb | llama32: maybe you mean the package list is too big, and that's true. Using an rsync protocol, instead of a full download, would be better. |
| 12:48.38 | dasunt | apt under testing is a bandwidth hog for package lists updates. |
| 12:48.39 | apt | dasunt: okay |
| 12:48.48 | llama32 | well when i got apt-get update, it takes 20+ minutes just to update the database |
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| 12:49.20 | doleyb | llama32: it takes me 11 seconds on my 500mb line. |
| 12:49.21 | Akselii | my apt-get wont work |
| 12:49.22 | Ragan | di-al up, what the hell is that? |
| 12:49.23 | Quinn_Storm | are you getting the sources lists too? that can make it take longer |
| 12:49.26 | jetscreamer | don't put contrib non-free |
| 12:49.28 | llama32 | s/got/something more suitable/ |
| 12:49.38 | Iwrite | Hm. Listed file size is 572MB. Local file shows 398. Did I get it all? |
| 12:50.00 | xk | doleyb: even rsync doesn't do binary diff... it can only continue a borked file or reget the whole lot. |
| 12:50.09 | xk | s/borked/incomplete/ |
| 12:50.28 | xk | Iwrite: verify with md5sum |
| 12:50.51 | doleyb | xk: maybe the easiler way would be to subdivide the lists more, so changes are more localized. |
| 12:50.59 | jetscreamer | Akselii, paste your sources.list in #flood |
| 12:51.51 | xk | hrm... |
| 12:51.57 | Iwrite | xk: What's that command? md5cksum <file>? |
| 12:52.05 | xk | Iwrite: md5sum |
| 12:52.07 | jetscreamer | md5sum |
| 12:52.23 | Iwrite | O.K. |
| 12:52.33 | llama32 | i was thinking its the same sources, but instead of updating the whole lot, u just get a file that updates the entries that are needed (and on the server theres a number of updates depending on how old yours is - if its too old itll just get the whole thing) |
| 12:53.01 | PerfDave | rixth: You probably want to use ntpd / ntpdate to automatically keep your clock up to date. |
| 12:53.37 | jetscreamer | apt forget under stable |
| 12:53.37 | apt | jetscreamer: i forgot under stable |
| 12:53.42 | jetscreamer | apt forget under testing |
| 12:53.42 | apt | i forgot under testing, jetscreamer |
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| 12:54.32 | Akselii | how can i get nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz if my apt-get wont work? |
| 12:54.39 | xk | fix apt-get |
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| 12:54.56 | PerfDave | Akselii: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:55.04 | jetscreamer | Akselii, add contrib non-free after the word main in your sources then apt-get update |
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| 12:55.34 | PerfDave | Akselii: If you're trying to install nvidia drivers under Sarge, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 12:55.49 | Akselii | wtf__ |
| 12:55.52 | Akselii | ?? |
| 12:55.56 | Akselii | k |
| 12:56.03 | PerfDave | Akselii: Don't use the nvidia installer from their site, it will fuck your system. |
| 12:56.07 | Akselii | yea |
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| 12:56.11 | Akselii | i noticed too late |
| 12:56.14 | xk | haha |
| 12:56.18 | Akselii | my 2.6.11.5 kernel wont load X |
| 12:56.25 | jetscreamer | if it's sarge i think it's not in there you gotta do what perf dave said, except the .run will not fuck your system |
| 12:56.26 | Akselii | but i somehow got my backup 2.4 load x |
| 12:56.44 | jetscreamer | 2.6.11.5 works fine with nvidia installer |
| 12:57.34 | jetscreamer | the latest nvidia is in sid though and should work with 2.6.11 |
| 12:57.35 | jan__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.46 | Iwrite | Oh. Good. md5sum isn't recognized command in WinXP (I'm on laptop, until I get workstation back). |
| 12:58.01 | Iwrite | So, burn and hope? |
| 12:58.02 | Akselii | wtf?!?!?!?!?! |
| 12:58.07 | Akselii | dpkg is way too bizarre |
| 12:58.08 | PerfDave | Iwrite: There are md5sum programs for Windows. |
| 12:58.13 | jetscreamer | there is an md5 ^^^ |
| 12:58.16 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 12:58.39 | Akselii | ask dpkg this: quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:58.43 | Akselii | i dont understand anything |
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| 12:58.51 | Henning | Iwrite: www.md5summer.org for example. |
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| 12:59.14 | sh0rt | !tell Akselii about love |
| 12:59.15 | Gnea | !tell Akselii about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:59.16 | Ronin | Iwrite: so go download the md5sum.exe |
| 12:59.30 | Akselii | wtf |
| 12:59.38 | Akselii | Gnea i dont understand that thign |
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| 12:59.53 | Iwrite | Quick sid/sarge mix? Sounds like a boxed powder for instant soldier. "Just add water.":^) |
| 13:00.00 | Akselii | haha |
| 13:00.10 | Gnea | Akselii: well you told someone to ask dpkg, instead of doing that you could just tell the bot to inform that person of something |
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| 13:00.22 | PerfDave | Gnea: dpkg is a bot. If you talk to it in privmsg, and mention keywords such as "quick sid/sarge mix" it will return information that has been pre-entered into it. |
| 13:00.23 | Akselii | eh k |
| 13:00.36 | Gnea | PerfDave: thank you mr. obvious |
| 13:00.43 | Gnea | !troll PerfDave |
| 13:00.48 | jetscreamer | captain... |
| 13:00.56 | PerfDave | Akselii: dpkg is a bot. If you talk to it in privmsg, and mention keywords such as "quick sid/sarge mix" it will return information that has been pre-entered into it. |
| 13:01.04 | Akselii | yes i know |
| 13:01.11 | xk | lol |
| 13:01.22 | PerfDave | Gnea: How in any fucking remotely possible way is that trolling, you spacking fucktard? |
| 13:01.29 | Akselii | but could someone please explain that quick sarge sid mix? |
| 13:01.30 | xk | Iwrite: you're being too verbose. |
| 13:01.37 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:01.52 | xk | it would have taken me 1 minute to get md5sums done.. you're taking... what? 1 hour? :) |
| 13:02.33 | PerfDave | Akselii: You need to install a couple of packages from sid on your sarge system to get nvidia working, the sid/sarge mix tells you how to do this without "upgrading" *all* your software to sid. |
| 13:02.41 | EfaistOs | what do u use to convert ogg to mp3 ? |
| 13:03.01 | Dull404 | EfaistOs, you cant convert |
| 13:03.03 | Akselii | yes |
| 13:03.06 | Dull404 | but you can encode |
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| 13:03.17 | EfaistOs | Dull404, what do u use to encode ? |
| 13:03.18 | PerfDave | EfaistOs: Why would you want to? You'll lose quality. |
| 13:03.20 | Akselii | PerfDave, where is this sources.list |
| 13:03.21 | Gnea | EfaistOs: take the ogg and make it a wav, then make the wav an mp3 |
| 13:03.25 | PerfDave | !faq Akselii |
| 13:03.26 | dpkg | Akselii: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:03.33 | Dull404 | EfaistOs, lame encoder |
| 13:03.37 | EfaistOs | because my ipod shuffle doesnt take ogg :( |
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| 13:03.52 | PerfDave | EfaistOs: Ah, you're another moron who fell for Apple hype. |
| 13:04.00 | Dull404 | EfaistOs, but why? |
| 13:04.06 | EfaistOs | it's for my girlfriend |
| 13:04.07 | xoz | EfaistOs: install linux to your ipod |
| 13:04.08 | Too_many | EfaistOs: it is better to start with a new mp3, than to reencode |
| 13:04.12 | cahoot | EfaistOs: make a test and see what you like the result |
| 13:04.20 | EfaistOs | dont have the time right now |
| 13:04.23 | PerfDave | EfaistOs: Ah, *she* is a moron who fell for Apple hype ;) |
| 13:04.28 | EfaistOs | PerfDave, :) |
| 13:04.38 | PerfDave | EfaistOs: Trade her shuffle in for a good music player. |
| 13:04.40 | Dull404 | EfaistOs, ok best way is to use lame encoder |
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| 13:05.01 | EfaistOs | it's better to encode them before in wav and then in mp3 ? |
| 13:05.02 | Akselii | Where is sources.list? |
| 13:05.17 | Gnea | i'm a guy and i'm single and even i know better than to objectify women like that |
| 13:05.17 | Iwrite | xk: I'm fighting WinXP and balky tower. How fast would you be?:^) |
| 13:05.21 | PerfDave | Akselii: Read the FAQ. Or the Installation Manual. Or the APT HOWTO. |
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| 13:05.27 | Uatec | Yo |
| 13:05.28 | Too_many | EfaistOs: doesn't matter |
| 13:05.29 | Akselii | im reading the faq |
| 13:05.30 | Dull404 | EfaistOs, ogg -> mp3 is the same as ogg -> wav -> mp3 |
| 13:05.31 | PerfDave | Gnea: Who's objectifying women? |
| 13:05.33 | Akselii | cant find anything there |
| 13:05.44 | sh0rt | keep reading |
| 13:05.48 | Gnea | PerfDave: you are. |
| 13:05.51 | PerfDave | Gnea: Where? |
| 13:05.58 | Gnea | [07:04AM] <PerfDave> EfaistOs: Trade her shuffle in for a good music player. |
| 13:06.11 | Gnea | or you just meant her ipod? |
| 13:06.15 | Dull404 | PerfDave, i give up.. cant get higher than 70mhz.. but I KNOW... my monitor can do higher :/ |
| 13:06.17 | PerfDave | Gnea: How is that objectifying women? I'd say the same of any shuffle owner, regardless of their gender. |
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| 13:06.27 | PerfDave | Gnea: Yes, we are talking about a fucking ipod shuffle, you moron. |
| 13:06.32 | Gnea | oh |
| 13:06.34 | Gnea | bah, fuck you |
| 13:06.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:06.54 | Uatec | and the only thing better than a shuffle is an ipod mini |
| 13:06.57 | xk | lol |
| 13:07.04 | Uatec | i'm working on this new HPPA box that we've got and there is an LCD display on the front of it |
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| 13:07.19 | Uatec | does anybody know how i might expect to change what it says on the front? |
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| 13:07.30 | xoz | guys, let stick to the topic and avoid making too much *opinions*... don't be too mwilson |
| 13:07.35 | Uatec | at the moment it says the info about the distro i'm running |
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| 13:07.45 | Gnea | forget it, i'm a moron |
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| 13:08.08 | ignotus | hello, I have noticed that /usr/share/locale/ is over 100 MiB here, is there infrastructure in Debian for deleting the unused language informations? I only need English and Hungarian. |
| 13:08.11 | xk | Uatec: so what's the problem? |
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| 13:08.32 | PerfDave | xoz: I wasn't going to say anything more, until Gnea's misreading. But it's a better solution IMHO than trying to transcode between lossy formats. |
| 13:08.37 | crazeecanuck | ignotus: check out localepurge |
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| 13:09.15 | jetscreamer | ignotus, yeah localepurge |
| 13:09.16 | Gnea | bohan: i beg to differ. |
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| 13:09.23 | ignotus | crazeecanuck, jetscreamer thx! |
| 13:09.24 | Uatec | xk, i want to be able to change the text it says on the front |
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| 13:09.34 | Akselii | what are the sarge lines in source.list? i can only see those deb starting ones |
| 13:09.38 | crazeecanuck | ignotus: np :) |
| 13:09.44 | xk | Uatec: oh... the small LCD screen. |
| 13:09.49 | Uatec | yeah |
| 13:10.00 | jetscreamer | Akselii, guess what: they start with deb |
| 13:10.07 | sh0rt | Akselii, whats it say after that |
| 13:10.10 | Akselii | umm k |
| 13:10.13 | Akselii | alot of things |
| 13:10.18 | xk | Uatec: so what distro is running atm? |
| 13:10.23 | asg | Akselii: paste one (just one) |
| 13:10.25 | sh0rt | testing maybe aka sarge |
| 13:10.27 | Uatec | err, debian |
| 13:10.38 | xk | and did you install over what was originally installed? |
| 13:10.42 | kbrooks | testing aka sarge |
| 13:10.47 | Uatec | yes |
| 13:10.52 | Uatec | it's got nothing else on it |
| 13:10.54 | Uatec | entirely debian |
| 13:10.56 | PerfDave | Akselii: man sources.lsit |
| 13:11.04 | xk | does the lcd work display work after you reinstalled? |
| 13:11.08 | Uatec | yes |
| 13:11.11 | Akselii | PerfDave, man not working |
| 13:11.16 | jetscreamer | mkfs sucks for erasing data |
| 13:11.16 | llama32 | what single character would best represent setup/config? |
| 13:11.17 | Uatec | and it displays info about the distro that i've just installed |
| 13:11.19 | PerfDave | Akselii: What do you mean, "man not working"? |
| 13:11.20 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 13:11.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 13:11.44 | asg | PerfDave: you said sources.lsit |
| 13:11.53 | Akselii | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:11.55 | jetscreamer | Akselii, it should looks something like http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt |
| 13:11.57 | Akselii | thats one |
| 13:12.05 | PerfDave | Akselii: Didn't you install Sarge? |
| 13:12.14 | asg | Akselii: /msg dpkg sarge->testing |
| 13:12.27 | asg | bah |
| 13:12.32 | asg | Akselii: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 13:12.33 | jetscreamer | he also has 2.6.11-5 and i do not think that's in sarge |
| 13:13.05 | Akselii | this should be sarge |
| 13:13.08 | PerfDave | Akselii: Exactly which version of Debian did you install, and from where? |
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| 13:13.20 | Akselii | i dont remmember |
| 13:13.23 | Akselii | this is old comp |
| 13:13.29 | Akselii | i just updated it alitle |
| 13:13.36 | Akselii | had some CDs with me |
| 13:13.44 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 13:13.44 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
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| 13:13.56 | PerfDave | Akselii: What CDs? |
| 13:14.07 | Uatec | xk, it says Linux 2.4.21-32, which is what i am running |
| 13:14.13 | xoz | !tell Akselii about enter |
| 13:14.20 | Uatec | and 785/C3600 |
| 13:14.30 | xk | Uatec: hrm... I wouldn't know. not familiar with no-x86 hardware. |
| 13:14.32 | sepski | is it possible to downgrade a stesific package to the previous version, in sarge ? |
| 13:14.35 | Dull404 | Is there a xfree86 howto somewhere? i cant get into higher vsync than 70mhz. .... |
| 13:14.55 | scoon | anyone here compile their own kernels and use ndiswrapper ? |
| 13:15.00 | PerfDave | sepski: Not easily. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 13:15.01 | asg | sepski: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:15.03 | jetscreamer | Dull404, did you google your monitor's specs? very helpful |
| 13:15.08 | PerfDave | scoon: No, nobody. Not even the people who do :) |
| 13:15.12 | Akselii | dunno wat cds |
| 13:15.18 | scoon | thanks PerfDave :) |
| 13:15.27 | citral | Akselii: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:15.38 | Akselii | okay |
| 13:15.48 | asg | citral: find out what libc6 version he has also |
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| 13:15.50 | PerfDave | Akselii: Well, if you can't tell us what you installed, we can't really help you. It seems like you've got a weird-ass mix of Woody, Sarge and Sid, or you're not running Debian at all but some distro like Kanotix or Knoppix. |
| 13:15.53 | Akselii | it says 3.1 |
| 13:15.56 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, its an old monitor... well even if i do find out, i cant get xfree to use higher than 70mhz |
| 13:15.59 | citral | asg: I suspect an horrible mix |
| 13:16.05 | asg | citral: most likely |
| 13:16.07 | sepski | PerfDave, after a apt-get upgrade xqf crashes all the time, and if i try to launch a game it starts and fails immidiatly. the game runs when run not thru xqf, and i have tried on a fresh .qf same result |
| 13:16.09 | xk | 70mhz? 70khz? 70hz? |
| 13:16.25 | Uatec | anybody here have any experience with HPPA hardware? |
| 13:16.29 | asg | sepski: then get the previous deb from snapshot.debian.net and dpkg -i it |
| 13:16.36 | sepski | asg, sdn looks just what i need |
| 13:16.41 | PerfDave | sepski: Have you checked the BTS and filed a bug report? |
| 13:16.42 | asg | Uatec: greycat does but isn't here right now |
| 13:16.45 | jetscreamer | Dull404, when you know your monitors xvrefresh and xhrefresh, you will be able to max it out to it's fullest capability |
| 13:16.54 | jetscreamer | and when you dxrr |
| 13:16.58 | jetscreamer | !dxrr |
| 13:17.05 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 13:17.08 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:17.10 | PerfDave | !drxx |
| 13:17.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 13:17.13 | jethro | it's drxx jetscreamer :) |
| 13:17.16 | sepski | PerfDave, not yet, since im not 100% sure if it's my box only or actualy the package, that's why i wanted to downgrade |
| 13:17.20 | jetscreamer | thanks tabbud |
| 13:17.30 | CappO | hello, i know i'm not completely at the right channel, but i'm gonna give it a shot hopefully with more respons, i installed ubuntu hoary preview on my laptop and my laptop freezes at bootup at starting hotplug subsystem, any id how i can fix this ? |
| 13:17.44 | citral | CappO: /join #ubuntu |
| 13:17.51 | asg | CappO: did you ask in #ubuntu at all? |
| 13:17.53 | PerfDave | CappO: You could ask on #ubuntu, you'll get more useful advice there. Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 13:18.02 | CappO | jup |
| 13:18.03 | CappO | i tried |
| 13:18.08 | jetscreamer | Dull404, after you know those thing ad do the drxx, choose the advanced when it asks you adv med simple |
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| 13:18.18 | sepski | CappO, besides the #ubunto answers, the logical thing is to boot without hotplug |
| 13:18.32 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:18.34 | xoz | CappO: disable hotplug. boot using knoppix or any livecd and mount your root. |
| 13:18.52 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, thats what i did. my monitor can do at least 75.. so i added 50-75, but it runs on 70..... |
| 13:18.56 | CappO | hmm ok, maybe i should try that then |
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| 13:19.01 | xoz | CappO: or use rescue option of ubuntu cd |
| 13:19.03 | PerfDave | CappO: Failure of #ubuntu to support your non-Debian system does not mean that it becomes #debian's problem ;) |
| 13:19.17 | CappO | lol |
| 13:19.21 | CappO | i understand |
| 13:19.31 | CappO | but ubuntu is based on debian, not ? |
| 13:19.38 | citral | !based on debian |
| 13:19.38 | PerfDave | !based on debian |
| 13:19.38 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:19.41 | jetscreamer | Dull404, xvrefresh and xhrefresh != refresh rate except for calculating it |
| 13:19.44 | CappO | i'm a linux beginner, so please don't flame me :p |
| 13:19.56 | citral | !flame CappO |
| 13:19.57 | dpkg | citral sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 13:20.00 | citral | :) |
| 13:20.02 | sepski | lol |
| 13:20.13 | CappO | hehe |
| 13:20.16 | PerfDave | CappO: Ubuntu use their own packages and their own kernels. Debian answers won't always (or even often) work on Ubuntu systems. |
| 13:20.18 | jetscreamer | Dull404, you could also just try the medium setting and choose the max it's capable of |
| 13:20.27 | xoz | CappO: possible that hotplug got stuck with certain hardware... you can wait a little more time. the hardware detection waiting time maybe long. |
| 13:20.32 | jetscreamer | Dull404, so when you put those ranges in wrong... ooops |
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| 13:20.44 | jetscreamer | under the advanced |
| 13:20.44 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, are they dependent somehow? vrefresh and hrefresh? |
| 13:20.46 | PerfDave | CappO: You could try installing Debian, it's very good. |
| 13:20.56 | Akselii | il install debian again |
| 13:21.05 | jetscreamer | Dull404, yes .. google your monitor specs |
| 13:21.05 | PerfDave | CappO: The community support's much better :) |
| 13:21.09 | PerfDave | !d-i Akselii |
| 13:21.10 | dpkg | Akselii, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:21.22 | Akselii | haha ok |
| 13:21.24 | CappO | ubuntu uses the debian installer, right, why is it that when i install ubuntu the installer detects my wifi card and when i try debian netinstall it doesn't ? |
| 13:21.36 | thomaskorwed | anyone know any good pickup lines for hitting on girls? |
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| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | !sex |
| 13:21.44 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 13:22.04 | jetscreamer | oh, you said good |
| 13:22.18 | PerfDave | CappO: Probably because the Ubuntu installer uses a different kernel to the Sarge installer. Using the 2.6 kernel with the Sarge installer might help. |
| 13:22.29 | Akselii | can i dload bussinscard cd image and do a net insttall from that_ |
| 13:22.31 | Akselii | ?* |
| 13:22.33 | quittt | I am a fifity third and third |
| 13:22.33 | asg | thomaskorwed: #hottub |
| 13:22.38 | thomaskorwed | here is a good one: how do you like your eggs for breakfast? fertalized? - jk jk that is just wrong lol |
| 13:22.48 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, so if the hsync values are wrong it will affect the vsync values? |
| 13:22.50 | Dull404 | :S |
| 13:22.55 | CappO | is sarge good when it comes to supporting wifi pcmcia ? |
| 13:23.07 | PerfDave | CappO: Hardware support is a feature of kernels, not distributions. |
| 13:23.11 | Akselii | hey_ |
| 13:23.12 | Akselii | ? |
| 13:23.34 | asg | Akselii: yes, you can |
| 13:23.35 | PerfDave | Akselii: Assuming your hardware is all supported, yes. I'd recommend using the 110Mb netinst, or even the first full CD. |
| 13:23.37 | citral | Akselii: yes, you can |
| 13:23.39 | PerfDave | !full CD advocacy |
| 13:23.39 | dpkg | [full cd advocacy] you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
| 13:23.40 | thomaskorwed | heh here are some funny ones at http://www.picupx.com/ its like an infinite supply of pickup lines lol |
| 13:23.53 | CappO | is it possible to make use of debian and use ubuntu's kernel then ? |
| 13:23.56 | Akselii | i have ISDN, and going to net download :P |
| 13:24.01 | PerfDave | CappO: You don't want to do that. |
| 13:24.24 | PerfDave | CappO: Try using the Debian installer with the 2.6 kernel, see if it detects your wireless card. |
| 13:25.09 | Akselii | i got a knoppix with me too |
| 13:25.11 | jetscreamer | CappO, use the ubuntu installer and shell out and edit the sources.list to be pure debian :P |
| 13:25.16 | Akselii | and Damn SMall linux cd |
| 13:25.30 | citral | jetscreamer: that's likely to break |
| 13:25.31 | Akselii | does knoppix have CD burning soft? |
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| 13:25.50 | PerfDave | Akselii: Dunno, suck it and see or ask #knoppix |
| 13:25.57 | sh0rt | Akselii, xcdroast i think |
| 13:26.04 | citral | do we look like #knoppix? damnit. |
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| 13:26.23 | CappO | jetscreamer, as a beginner, this will not come to a good ending i think :p |
| 13:26.42 | Uatec | what is port 53935? |
| 13:26.46 | sh0rt | !tell Akselii about knoppix |
| 13:26.50 | asg | Uatec: man fuser, man lsof |
| 13:26.59 | CappO | but i'm gonna download the latest debian iso's, and see what then happens |
| 13:27.05 | xoz | Uatec: /etc/services |
| 13:27.06 | citral | !d-i |
| 13:27.06 | PerfDave | !d-i CappO |
| 13:27.06 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 13:27.07 | dpkg | CappO, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:27.48 | SuperCatFrog | hi - if i was to apt-get something, where would the downloads be saved? |
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| 13:27.58 | asg | SuperCatFrog: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:28.01 | SuperCatFrog | thanks |
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| 13:28.38 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: You can also see what files a package contains with "dpkg -L packagename" |
| 13:28.48 | CappO | hmm i downloaded that netinstall earler, that one didn't detect my wifi pcmcia |
| 13:28.52 | kurtak | cahoot: still there?? I got furthur w/ my sound issue. i wanna say thanks a LOT for your time and help! |
| 13:29.04 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - i just want to copy the .debs to another computer so i dont have to wait hours for the downloading |
| 13:29.04 | citral | CappO: at the boot prompt, type "linux26" then enter |
| 13:29.13 | cahoot | kurtak: what *was* the problem really? |
| 13:29.15 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: Look at apt-proxy or apt-move? |
| 13:29.16 | CappO | ok let's try that :) |
| 13:29.21 | PerfDave | CappO: Try using hte 2.6 kernel in the installer. |
| 13:29.25 | citral | CappO: because it boots with 2.4 else |
| 13:29.28 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - ok, thanks |
| 13:29.45 | CappO | ok |
| 13:29.49 | kurtak | cahoot: after playing around with alsautils, i ran alsaconf and that searched my computer for available sound cards, and configured alsa, pretty much all automatically |
| 13:30.22 | cahoot | kurtak: I see - basic misconfig - ok |
| 13:30.49 | kurtak | cahoot: i guess i just needed alsaconf to run once. it didn't work for users still until i rebooted the computer though |
| 13:30.50 | Akselii | if i extract a iso image to a place then burn it as data cd, would it boot? |
| 13:31.28 | PerfDave | Akselii: No |
| 13:31.28 | citral | unlikely, because there will be no boot sector then |
| 13:31.40 | PerfDave | Akselii: You need to burn it as an image. |
| 13:32.06 | CappO | hmm nop doesn't seem to pick up my wifi pcmcia |
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| 13:32.31 | PerfDave | CappO: What netinstall CD are you using? Might be worth trying a recent build rather than RC2 |
| 13:32.35 | citral | CappO: you can ask the people in #debian-boot, give them your exact card model |
| 13:32.45 | asg | PerfDave: rc3 is out |
| 13:32.49 | PerfDave | CappO: Also, what wifi card do you have? Is it actually supported by Linux, or do you need to hack it with ndiswrapper. |
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| 13:32.54 | l1nux | hi |
| 13:33.15 | CappO | i'm using this netinstall: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:33.27 | CappO | i guess it's supported if ubuntu install detects it |
| 13:33.34 | kurtak | cahoot: i was disconnected and i couldn't get a dhcp offer, which is why i was offline. i couldn't figure that one out, but it just worked again after i rebooted. any insight as to why that happened?? heh- don't worry about this prob if you're tired of me |
| 13:33.45 | PerfDave | CappO: Ubuntu might do something hackish with ndiswrapper, I don't know. |
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| 13:33.56 | CappO | it uses the texas instruments chipset i believe, |
| 13:34.04 | kurtak | cahoot: or what i could try next time that happens? |
| 13:34.08 | CappO | it's a us robotics usr540 |
| 13:34.20 | kurtak | cahoot: i basically just tried ifdown/up and dhclient |
| 13:34.22 | PerfDave | CappO: Well, google to see if it's supported by Linux |
| 13:34.28 | l1nux | i have upgrade my Debian unstable to sid, i try to install synaptic, i have error: scrollkeeper-update -q segmentation fault ! |
| 13:34.36 | CappO | ok |
| 13:34.37 | gahan | which is the most efficient dns server? i will have hundreds of domains, please suggest me any! |
| 13:34.47 | l1nux | how to fix it ? |
| 13:35.05 | PerfDave | l1nux: "upgrade my Debian unstable to sid" makes no sense. Unstable *is* sid. |
| 13:35.06 | llama32 | whats the easiest way from command line or c to download a file from ftp? getting file size would be good too... |
| 13:35.09 | cahoot | kurtak: sorry no clue |
| 13:35.10 | PerfDave | !sid faq l1nux |
| 13:35.16 | PerfDave | l1nux: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:35.23 | PerfDave | l1nux: Check the BTS |
| 13:35.28 | PerfDave | llama32: wget |
| 13:35.37 | asg | gahan: #dns |
| 13:35.39 | citral | llama32: gftp-text is a good one |
| 13:36.10 | l1nux | !sid |
| 13:36.11 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 13:36.45 | l1nux | hmmm.. |
| 13:37.10 | citral | looks like one should have sticked with sarge. |
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| 13:38.03 | kurtak | cahoot: okay - thanks for your help though. at least it got me a little furthur into troubleshooting, which is definitely important |
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| 13:40.01 | l1nux | PerfDave, any solution for fix it ? |
| 13:40.01 | CappO | gonna use the debian netinstall, install it just via regular utp then when installed, i'll find out how to fix the wifi card, should be possible with ndiswrapper then |
| 13:40.30 | PerfDave | l1nux: Check the BTS. |
| 13:40.34 | PerfDave | l1nux: Reinstall with Sarge. |
| 13:40.41 | citral | CappO: you can also ask in #debian-boot, like I suggested |
| 13:40.51 | l1nux | PerfDave, downgrade ? |
| 13:40.56 | CappO | ok i'll do that now |
| 13:40.56 | PerfDave | CappO: Get a wifi card that's actually supported by Linux rather than hacking it with ndiswrapper. |
| 13:40.59 | PerfDave | l1nux: No, you can't downgrade. |
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| 13:41.09 | l1nux | ): |
| 13:41.11 | CappO | ya but's a really good card :p |
| 13:41.21 | PerfDave | CappO: No, it's not supported by Linux ;) |
| 13:41.38 | CappO | :) |
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| 13:41.57 | voxvirus | hello |
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| 13:42.51 | voxvirus | does anyone know how to enable 3d acceleration with sis m650 ? |
| 13:43.02 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, i found the max values, but that is for mode 640x480 right? |
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| 13:43.59 | voxvirus | i went to sis' site but the only drivers (modules) they distribute are for the 2.4 series and i'm using 2.6.10 |
| 13:44.09 | Pappa | the prism54 cards are really good. nice for a AP too. |
| 13:44.30 | jetscreamer | Dull404, no it's what your monitor can do... the various resolutions all take their values from you horiz refresh and vert refresh rates.. not to be confused with 640x480@75 or anything |
| 13:44.48 | jetscreamer | hey everybody needs a powerful webcomic downloader / archiver |
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| 13:45.57 | sepski_ | PerfDave, asg : downgraded and moved the .qf dir away, still same thing, and both these versions have worked normaly earlier, when i try to conenct to a server it starts the game and then game crashes and drop me back to xqf. running the game (et) directly works normally |
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| 13:46.17 | sepski_ | so i guess it's not the package. just me... |
| 13:46.26 | jetscreamer | start it from an xterm you get more error messages |
| 13:46.51 | jetscreamer | ah xqf not et |
| 13:46.56 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, ok it can to 65hsync and 110vsync.... |
| 13:47.00 | Dull404 | do |
| 13:47.15 | l1nux | how to force remove package ? |
| 13:47.25 | jetscreamer | ok so if those values are correct enter them in there when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:47.27 | xk | dpkg --force-help |
| 13:47.29 | llama32 | to upgrade a package with dpkg, would i just install it, or must i remove the old one then install it |
| 13:47.30 | PerfDave | l1nux: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 13:47.36 | PerfDave | llama32: Just install it. |
| 13:47.38 | jetscreamer | jsut install |
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| 13:47.43 | llama32 | thnks |
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| 13:47.59 | fabrizio | hi all |
| 13:48.00 | l1nux | PerfDave, i try to remove all gnome apps ! |
| 13:48.04 | fabrizio | i need help! |
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| 13:48.15 | jetscreamer | dselect is easier to remove all of a section |
| 13:48.17 | fabrizio | how to decompress .sig files? |
| 13:48.20 | fabrizio | how to decompress .sig files? |
| 13:48.26 | revenger_ | does anyone know a tool for testing the colors of a screen? |
| 13:48.29 | jetscreamer | you can apt-get remove --purge gnome* also |
| 13:48.33 | sepski_ | jetscreamer, i start xqf at xterm with debug on , but all it say is --- 194.29.194.38:27970 resolved to 194.29.194.38:27970 Received signal 11, exiting... |
| 13:48.39 | xk | fabrizio: "file whatever.sig"... see what it is compressed with. |
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| 13:48.43 | Dull404 | jetscreamer, is it possible to try out those modes? without modyfying the settings ? |
| 13:48.49 | l1nux | thanks jetscreamer :) |
| 13:48.52 | sepski_ | et works normaly if i run it directly |
| 13:48.54 | PerfDave | l1nux: Why do you need to "force" remove them? |
| 13:48.54 | citral | !remove gnome |
| 13:48.54 | dpkg | somebody said remove gnome was apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 13:48.57 | fabrizio | xk: ok,wait.... |
| 13:49.06 | jetscreamer | Dull404, not that i know of... maybe though. |
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| 13:49.33 | fabrizio | xk: i don't have file command....shit! |
| 13:49.38 | xk | fabrizio: apt-get install file |
| 13:49.44 | SuperSox | Arg, the coffee machine is broken :( |
| 13:49.52 | citral | that sucks |
| 13:49.59 | CappO | what is shdcp or something, it gave a fatal error at booting, but just went further, anything serious ? |
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| 13:50.09 | SuperSox | tell me about it, I'll have to go to starbucks or something now ;( |
| 13:50.17 | sepski_ | CappO, dhcpd perhaps ? |
| 13:50.23 | sh0rt | have a beer |
| 13:50.30 | CappO | nop, thats not it |
| 13:50.37 | CappO | when i reboots i'll write it down :) |
| 13:50.39 | jetscreamer | starbucks-- |
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| 13:51.05 | SuperSox | jetscreamer: its either Costa, Starbucks or McD's :\ |
| 13:51.20 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Fix your coffee machine :) |
| 13:51.22 | jetscreamer | SuperSox, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Coffee.html |
| 13:51.30 | citral | hehe |
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| 13:51.37 | SuperSox | PerfDave: it's not mine, I'm in the university library :) |
| 13:51.41 | CappO | ok downloading packages, going good untill now :) |
| 13:51.51 | jetscreamer | i prefer shipley's coffee when i'm out |
| 13:51.52 | fabrizio | xk: output of file: binutils-2.15.tar.gz.sig: data |
| 13:52.07 | SuperSox | jetscreamer: I'm in the UK, I don't think we have such a thing |
| 13:52.15 | fabrizio | xk: so... |
| 13:52.17 | SuperCatFrog | hi - are the vmware guest tools available through apt? (also, what is the name of the apt-get system, for example gentoo's is portage) |
| 13:52.18 | jetscreamer | ahh... doughnut shop |
| 13:52.21 | xk | fabrizio: hrm... it looks like it's corrupted. |
| 13:52.27 | SuperSox | SuperCatFrog: no |
| 13:52.37 | xk | fabrizio: otherwise it would say something like gzip, zip, rar, ace, bzip2 |
| 13:53.01 | fabrizio | xk: i got it in http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/binutils/ !! |
| 13:53.01 | xk | hrm... hang |
| 13:53.16 | PerfDave | SuperSox: apt-get is a front-end for apt. |
| 13:53.22 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: apt-get is a front-end for apt. |
| 13:53.24 | PerfDave | Bah! |
| 13:53.32 | SuperCatFrog | ok thanks peftdave |
| 13:53.34 | SuperSox | PerfDave: haha, revenge of the Super*'s |
| 13:53.43 | fabrizio | bye |
| 13:53.55 | PerfDave | SuperSox: Which university? There's got to be a *decent* coffee place around. |
| 13:54.10 | SuperSox | PerfDave: The University of Abertay Dundee. |
| 13:54.11 | SuperCatFrog | also, one more thing: is there a directory or file that holds the list of available packages (like gentoo's /usr/portage/) |
| 13:54.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.33 | kbrooks | not iirc |
| 13:54.51 | SuperCatFrog | thanks jetscreamer |
| 13:54.51 | kbrooks | jetscreamer: /var is volatile |
| 13:54.51 | jetscreamer | but, it's fluid |
| 13:54.54 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 13:55.06 | SuperSox | SuperCatFrog: although 'apt-cache search' will usually suit your needs |
| 13:55.08 | xk | fab: you should be able to run gpg or pgp on the file. |
| 13:55.24 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l , apt-cache search |
| 13:55.25 | kbrooks | i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 13:55.25 | dpkg | ii , apt-cache search 1.8-11.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:55.25 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.34 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:55.36 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.52 | xk | bah, he left. |
| 13:56.11 | jetscreamer | cgtoolkit baby! |
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| 13:56.23 | paulswm | kbrooks: you are totally incorrect about /var |
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| 13:56.39 | kbrooks | paulswm: if you say so........ |
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| 13:57.01 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 13:57.10 | jetscreamer | hey how do i pass ssh swithces to the command i wanna run |
| 13:57.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.17 | kbrooks | lol |
| 13:57.29 | kbrooks | jetscreamer: man ssh |
| 13:57.35 | jetscreamer | phhhhht |
| 13:57.49 | jetscreamer | easier to try * |
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| 13:58.26 | Akselii | m000!! |
| 13:58.44 | jetscreamer | ok maybe it's not easier... |
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| 13:59.25 | kbrooks | jetscreamer: no, but maybe -- will do it |
| 13:59.31 | kbrooks | *MAYBE* |
| 13:59.32 | xk | yeah I was thinking the same |
| 13:59.35 | Akselii | m00000000 |
| 13:59.55 | citral | Akselii: /j #moo |
| 13:59.55 | jetscreamer | it didn't, that's why i asked |
| 14:00.12 | jetscreamer | might be my aliasing skillz though |
| 14:00.14 | sepski | PerfDave, asg, jetscreamer : when running xqf as root the game starts normaly... but gaming as root is not realy wise.. |
| 14:00.27 | xk | hrm... I do remember "bash -i" works. |
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| 14:00.30 | kbrooks | jetscreamer: read the ssh man page |
| 14:00.32 | xk | so I'm not sure what problem you're having. |
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| 14:01.04 | xk | debug1: Sending command: bash -i |
| 14:01.06 | setuid | Can someone tell me how much space is required to run a Debian mirror? |
| 14:01.07 | xk | that worked. |
| 14:01.16 | xk | setuid: i386 only? |
| 14:01.22 | xk | setuid: sid only? |
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| 14:01.30 | setuid | xk: Sure, we'll start with that.. |
| 14:01.34 | PerfDave | sepski: I'd file a bug. |
| 14:01.40 | setuid | 10gb? 100gb? |
| 14:01.49 | xk | 15 gigs for i386 + sid... multiply that for each version + arch. |
| 14:01.57 | setuid | ok, that's not bad... |
| 14:02.02 | jetscreamer | sepski, i haven't used xqf in months, i forget |
| 14:02.03 | Akselii | o shit im hunrgy |
| 14:02.05 | setuid | Any page describing how to rsync it? |
| 14:02.08 | kbrooks | setuid: if its woody, you require just a thousand or so gb |
| 14:02.11 | dasunt | xqf? |
| 14:02.16 | Akselii | and sleepy |
| 14:02.19 | dasunt | I shouldn't idle in this channel while tired. |
| 14:02.27 | jetscreamer | game browser |
| 14:02.34 | xk | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror ? |
| 14:02.39 | kbrooks | dasunt: sleep, then |
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| 14:02.51 | kbrooks | ftp > http |
| 14:02.52 | setuid | ftp?! |
| 14:02.52 | xk | it mentions rsync halfway down. |
| 14:02.58 | dasunt | kbrooks: Sleep? I'm not weak! |
| 14:03.01 | setuid | There's no rsync? |
| 14:03.02 | setuid | oh, ;) |
| 14:03.03 | kbrooks | ftp has NO headers |
| 14:03.05 | asg | sepski: do you know where the failure is occuring? can't access sound devices or something? |
| 14:03.10 | xk | kbrooks: FTP REQUIRES AUTHENTICATION |
| 14:03.13 | dasunt | I'm just at the stage that I shouldn't be trusted with root access. |
| 14:03.17 | xk | FTP REQUIRES >= 2 ports |
| 14:03.18 | Akselii | omg 4 h to dload the iso |
| 14:03.33 | EfaistOs | why with lame the mp3 in output is not good .... It's crackling .. :( |
| 14:03.39 | dasunt | xk: Look into passive FTP. |
| 14:03.43 | kbrooks | xk: i know, but headers are a pain in the ass |
| 14:03.45 | Akselii | FTP does NOT require authentication if setted up properly |
| 14:03.53 | dasunt | ftp is nice. |
| 14:04.02 | dasunt | So is http. |
| 14:04.05 | dasunt | And gopher. |
| 14:04.08 | xk | dasunt: still requires 2 ports... show me ftp running data on port 21. |
| 14:04.19 | kbrooks | dasunt: ftp and htp > gopher |
| 14:04.26 | kbrooks | http* |
| 14:04.39 | kbrooks | dasunt: gopher is too old |
| 14:04.47 | dasunt | kbrooks: Bah. |
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| 14:05.12 | jetscreamer | maybe i should put my kids on w95 :o that'll teach em |
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| 14:05.21 | EfaistOs | nobody for lame ? |
| 14:05.21 | sepski | asg when it tries to conenct to the gameserver after it resolved the hostname |
| 14:05.24 | kbrooks | dasunt: hm? are you >65? |
| 14:05.28 | xk | heh |
| 14:05.35 | sepski | asg and the game works as user when invoced directly |
| 14:05.36 | dasunt | kbrooks: No. |
| 14:05.41 | citral | EfaistOs: no, we're all for oggenc :) |
| 14:05.57 | kbrooks | dasunt: why the cane comment then |
| 14:05.59 | CappO | erm gnome or kde isn't std installed when you select desktopmachine as type of install ? |
| 14:06.05 | asg | sepski: hmmm, try using 'strace -s 512 -o ~/trace.txt <program>' and see if it indicates which system call is bombing out |
| 14:06.08 | dasunt | kbrooks: I'm in old-man mode, of course. |
| 14:06.31 | kbrooks | dasunt: so you are young actually. ok then :P |
| 14:06.41 | dasunt | Most days I'm young. |
| 14:06.48 | EfaistOs | citral, but i need to encode an ogg into mp3 to play it on an ipod shuffle ... |
| 14:06.50 | dasunt | Add 12 years, you have my age. |
| 14:06.53 | setuid | hrm, this anonftprsync script is-a-broke |
| 14:06.55 | EfaistOs | but the sound is crackling :( |
| 14:07.03 | SuperCatFrog | hi - how do i add the kde 3.4 mirror to apt-get? ive tried using apt-setup but it kept telling me it couldn't find a mirror of ftp.debian.org or something like that. the mirror is listed in the #debian-kde topic but nobody seems to be there. its http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 |
| 14:07.04 | cahoot | EfaistOs: how did the wav sound? no crackling? |
| 14:07.19 | asg | SuperCatFrog: try #debian-kde |
| 14:07.24 | EfaistOs | cahoot, i dont have wav |
| 14:07.24 | kbrooks | dasunt: i know it, but i'm not gonna tell the chan :P |
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| 14:07.41 | asg | SuperCatFrog: someone will eventually answer. |
| 14:07.41 | SuperCatFrog | asg - i have, no reply |
| 14:07.44 | SuperCatFrog | ok |
| 14:08.11 | cahoot | EfaistOs: this isn't the ogg->mp3 thing you contemplated before? |
| 14:08.30 | johan | The font "-adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "de_DE@euro" (Missing character set "ISO8859-15") (Missing character set "ISO8859-15") Fatal Error: gnucash_style_set_register...(): Cannot load fallback font: -adobe-helvetica-medium-o-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-* What do i have to install? |
| 14:08.35 | citral | EfaistOs: oh, that sucks. Here is an alternative: write a .wav from the ogg with ogg123, then encode it with lame. |
| 14:08.46 | dasunt | johan: Congrats. |
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| 14:09.02 | dasunt | Debian's package of gnucash makes me want to investigate SQL-ledger. |
| 14:09.12 | EfaistOs | citral, ok i'll try that |
| 14:09.21 | setuid | xk: Got a working rsync mirror script somewhere? |
| 14:09.28 | setuid | Or should I just roll my own here? |
| 14:09.36 | setuid | The one on that link you pasted is very broken |
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| 14:09.49 | Akselii | m000 |
| 14:10.03 | paulswm | see ya, stay safe |
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| 14:10.10 | Pappa | moo |
| 14:10.16 | dasunt | Hmmm. |
| 14:10.20 | sepski | asg: well searching thru that trace.txt would require actual knowledge i guess.. |
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| 14:10.54 | kurtak | Should it be okay to run xmms and alsaplayer at the same time?? |
| 14:11.11 | citral | kurtak: if xmms uses alsa output, yes |
| 14:11.15 | CappO | to install kde, apt-get install kdebase, will give me the necessary things of kde, right ? |
| 14:11.22 | asg | sepski: paste the last 10 lines or so to #flood or a paste bot |
| 14:11.24 | kurtak | I'm playing some mp3's with xmms, and I'm trying to use alsaplayer to play some wav's at the same time, but the alsaplayer window doesn't even appear |
| 14:11.27 | dasunt | kurtak: Depends on the setup. |
| 14:11.30 | cahoot | kurtak: and if the card handle multiple streams |
| 14:11.45 | sh0rt | dasunt, look at dmix |
| 14:11.45 | citral | alsa does software mixing afaik |
| 14:11.48 | Framus | Does anyone know if there is a way to pause the system during start-up, or log the messages that it gives during start-up. I am getting an error with ALSA, but it scrolls by too fast to read |
| 14:11.59 | dasunt | sh0rt: ITYM 'kurtak:' |
| 14:12.02 | citral | Framus: dmesg |
| 14:12.05 | beardy | Framus: dmesg |
| 14:12.05 | xk | citral: alsa does not do software mixing. |
| 14:12.15 | xk | citral: if the card has more than one dsp... then alsa will support it. |
| 14:12.17 | sh0rt | dasunt, sorry :) |
| 14:12.18 | kurtak | citral: okay, i'll try with alsa output. The card should be able to handle multiple streams, |
| 14:12.24 | Framus | citral: i tried dmesg, but it doesn't show everything |
| 14:12.29 | bajas_76 | Has anybody got php4 and apache2 working with sarge? |
| 14:12.29 | citral | xk: oh yeah I mixed it with esound |
| 14:12.52 | asg | Framus: if you have sarge/sid, edit /etc/default/bootlogd and enable it |
| 14:12.54 | citral | Framus: grep -i alsa /var/log/syslog or kern.log |
| 14:13.02 | asg | bajas_76: yes |
| 14:13.05 | Framus | thanks |
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| 14:14.33 | kapoios_norwich | how can I check if MySQL on a server has been installed manually or using a .deb?? |
| 14:14.39 | bajas_76 | asg, no problems with apache segfaulting when trying to use php and mysql together? |
| 14:14.52 | dasunt | kapoios_norwich: dpkg -l |
| 14:14.53 | asg | bajas_76: no, have you checked the bts? |
| 14:15.17 | bajas_76 | asg, sorry, bts? |
| 14:15.23 | kapoios_norwich | dasunt: so dpkg -l MySQL ? |
| 14:15.30 | asg | bajas_76: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:15.43 | sh0rt | !bts |
| 14:15.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:16.00 | citral | kapoios_norwich: dpkg -l | grep -i mysql would be more informative |
| 14:16.01 | setuid | Looks like all the rsync mirrors are down, shit |
| 14:16.18 | cahoot | kurtak: /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/info will disclose how many streams you can play simultaneously |
| 14:16.22 | kapoios_norwich | thank you :) |
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| 14:16.32 | setuid | kapoios_norwich: Norwich, CT? |
| 14:16.41 | xk | rsync.kernel.org should work |
| 14:16.52 | kurtak | dasunt, cahoot, citral: hm, i tried a couple different settings for the alsa driver in xmms and when i hit play (while alsaplayer's playing) i get the standard xmms message "couldn't open audio. please check that..." |
| 14:16.58 | kurtak | cahoot: thanks, i'll look that up |
| 14:17.27 | sepski | asg, does that make any sense ? :) that is a trace of the et command launched inside xqf |
| 14:17.45 | cahoot | kurtak: look at the subdevices_count |
| 14:17.46 | setuid | xk: Looks like they changed their dir structure, and the debian rsync mirror page hasn't been updated |
| 14:17.50 | asg | sepski: it looks relatively normal |
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| 14:18.15 | phretor | hello there |
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| 14:19.09 | asg | sepski: if xqf has a mailing list, I'd ask there. |
| 14:19.22 | phretor | what about the "big font" problem with gtk apps? |
| 14:19.56 | xk | change your dpi to 75? |
| 14:20.00 | kurtak | cahoot: subdevices_count = 1 |
| 14:20.05 | Framus | i am currently trying to get my sound to work under debian (2.6.8 kernel) i was wondering if anyone could give me a hand deciphering an error message in my kern.log |
| 14:20.05 | kurtak | :( |
| 14:20.08 | sepski | ok |
| 14:20.08 | PerfDave | Don't use gtk apps? :) |
| 14:20.14 | xk | or put the 75 pdi fonts before the 100 dpi fonts in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:20.19 | citral | yeah |
| 14:20.24 | phretor | PerfDave, that's not a solution at all |
| 14:20.27 | Framus | Mar 17 08:05:04 localhost kernel: ac97_codec: AC97 codec, id: CMI97 (CMedia) |
| 14:20.27 | Framus | Mar 17 08:05:04 localhost kernel: AC97 codec does not have proper volume support. |
| 14:20.28 | Framus | Mar 17 08:05:04 localhost kernel: i810_audio: only 48Khz playback available. |
| 14:20.28 | Framus | Mar 17 08:05:04 localhost kernel: i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0, new EID value = 0x05c6 |
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| 14:20.38 | PerfDave | phretor: It's a fantastic solution, gtk apps are fugly ;) |
| 14:20.39 | citral | the only reason to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually |
| 14:20.48 | kbrooks | Framus: don't paste please |
| 14:20.59 | Framus | sorry |
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| 14:21.25 | kbrooks | citral: ...is when you don't want debconf to configure the file for you |
| 14:21.25 | Akselii | m000 |
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| 14:21.30 | cahoot | kurtak: you need to use alsas dmix plug, maybe this can help: http://www.digriz.org.uk/t40p-linux/ |
| 14:21.34 | kurtak | cahoot: what are the other pcm0's? i have pcm0c/p, pcm1c, pcm2c, pcm3c, pcm4p |
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| 14:21.53 | citral | kbrooks: ah, ok. |
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| 14:22.35 | phretor | PerfDave, are you a Qt fan? |
| 14:22.43 | kurtak | cahoot: will check that out. thanks again! |
| 14:23.03 | PerfDave | phretor: I use Qt-based apps (and KDE apps) wherever possible, they seem to do the job better. |
| 14:23.13 | citral | !destroy Qt |
| 14:23.23 | phretor | PerfDave, ok, we can stop talking. |
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| 14:23.50 | xk | one less knoppix user |
| 14:23.54 | phretor | Qts eat your CPU |
| 14:23.58 | kbrooks | citral: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks a question i believe |
| 14:24.03 | setuid | gnoppix |
| 14:24.05 | citral | phretor: do like suggested, put 75dpi lines of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 BEFORE 100dpi ones |
| 14:24.18 | citral | kbrooks: don't think so, to be cleared |
| 14:24.21 | SuperCatFrog | is it possible to download the first cd of sid, and use that as a net install cd? |
| 14:24.30 | setuid | SuperCatFrog: yes |
| 14:24.31 | xk | SuperCatFrog: yes. |
| 14:24.35 | kbrooks | SuperCatFrog: yes. |
| 14:24.40 | kbrooks | echo ;) |
| 14:25.10 | sh0rt | kbrooks, you get third place :) |
| 14:25.14 | PerfDave | phretor: I'm prepared to sacrifice CPU cycles for usablility. KDE runs happily on my Celeron 300, that's all I need. |
| 14:25.19 | SuperCatFrog | woo! |
| 14:25.48 | dasunt | Lets start a QT war! |
| 14:25.56 | xk | PerfDave: that's what I upgraded from :) |
| 14:26.00 | setuid | damnit, none of these debian rsync mirrors work!!! |
| 14:26.02 | xk | I can't imagine running a DE on that. |
| 14:26.10 | xk | setuid: maybe you're firewalled? |
| 14:26.14 | dasunt | Just for the hell of it, I'm going to argue twm forever. ;) |
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| 14:26.34 | setuid | xk: No, I can get to rsync.kernel.org, for example, but the dirs aren't there, and I'm trying to stat /pub, and its over 200,000 files now, and counting |
| 14:26.40 | setuid | Something is very wrong there |
| 14:26.44 | xk | setuid: heh |
| 14:27.18 | dasunt | xk: I've run windowing systems on pentium laptops. Haven't tried any DE, but XFCE isn't supposed to be too bad. |
| 14:27.50 | PerfDave | xk: Depends how much ram you've got. My Celery has 64Mb, I wouldn't want to try anything less. |
| 14:28.20 | xk | setuid: hrm.. weird |
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| 14:28.50 | xk | setuid: try /pub/debian |
| 14:28.58 | xk | instead of just /pub |
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| 14:29.17 | setuid | I did, 0 files, I tried all kinds of permutations |
| 14:29.32 | SuperCatFrog | what is the version number of sid? i cant find the name sid anywhere with a download - just version numbers |
| 14:29.40 | xoz | !mirror |
| 14:29.41 | dpkg | it has been said that mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 14:29.43 | setuid | pub/mirrors, pub/debian, etc. |
| 14:29.45 | xoz | !mirrors |
| 14:29.45 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 14:29.49 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: You don't download sid. You don't *run* sid unless you know what you're doing. |
| 14:29.54 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:30.40 | hgoesm | how can i deleet a password under debian, i wanna have an empty password |
| 14:30.49 | PerfDave | !wayttd hgoesm |
| 14:30.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hgoesm? |
| 14:30.59 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - which one do i want? i dont want stable because i want newer packages |
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| 14:31.05 | hgoesm | mom |
| 14:31.11 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: You want Sarge, the Testing release. |
| 14:31.15 | SuperCatFrog | ah ok |
| 14:31.19 | setuid | an empty password? Just hit enter |
| 14:31.22 | xk | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full |
| 14:31.22 | xk | hrm |
| 14:31.30 | SuperCatFrog | thankf perfdave |
| 14:31.34 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: If you use Sarge, though, you won't get security updates. Only stable/Woody gets them. |
| 14:31.40 | setuid | xk: Got onto xmission, 12,300 files listed in debian/ there... |
| 14:31.58 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - thats ok, i'l just keep the packages up to date and use a NAT router |
| 14:31.58 | setuid | ...so far |
| 14:32.02 | xk | ; |
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| 14:32.17 | xk | so did you set the filter properly? |
| 14:32.31 | setuid | What filter? |
| 14:32.32 | xk | I think you can't select between sid/sarge/woody. |
| 14:32.38 | setuid | No, that anonftp script is broken |
| 14:32.40 | xk | but you can filter out arch |
| 14:32.41 | setuid | so I'm writing my own |
| 14:32.44 | xk | ; |
| 14:32.45 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - what you shuddering at? |
| 14:32.45 | hgoesm | sry phone call |
| 14:32.54 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: Your blatant lack of clue when it comes to security. |
| 14:33.10 | hgoesm | i va installed wu-ftpd an it creat a user ftp |
| 14:33.23 | SuperCatFrog | perfdave - keeping packages up to date and using a NAT router is a perfectly fine security practice |
| 14:33.31 | SuperCatFrog | whats wrong with it? |
| 14:33.34 | hgoesm | and i set a password wit passwd |
| 14:34.00 | hgoesm | an now i wanna delete the password |
| 14:34.17 | setuid | hgoesm: Just remove the hash from /etc/shadow, or just set it to a blank passwd |
| 14:34.37 | PerfDave | SuperCatFrog: "keeping packages up to date" doesn't mean that they'll be secure. Any security hole in a Sarge package will exist until it is fixed in Sid and trickles through to Sarge, which normally takes over a week. NAT stops incoming connections on other than forwarded ports, but doesn't stop outgoing connections from being compromised. |
| 14:35.30 | RjY | you can delete a password with passwd -d <login>. that is, make it empty |
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| 14:36.04 | TheTom | it's spring! |
| 14:36.05 | resiak | PerfDave: I think you may be wasting your time. |
| 14:36.19 | hgoesm | ok i delete it and thats enough? |
| 14:36.20 | RjY | (although is that really wise? doesn't strike me as wise..) |
| 14:36.38 | PerfDave | resiak: Maybe, but I always *try* to keep other people from getting compromised machines, to keep my own networks safer. |
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| 14:36.41 | setuid | No, a blank password is incredibly stupid |
| 14:36.48 | setuid | I suspect he's trying to solve the wrong problem |
| 14:36.53 | CappO | what is the fastest way to go from textbased debian to something visual, kde f.i. ? |
| 14:36.55 | PerfDave | Why does hgoesm want a blank password in the first place? |
| 14:36.55 | setuid | (like non-interactive ssh sessions) |
| 14:37.02 | PerfDave | CappO: Install KDE and X? |
| 14:37.06 | asg | CappO: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 14:37.09 | resiak | PerfDave: Once again, you are wiser than I |
| 14:37.11 | resiak | !faq CappO |
| 14:37.13 | PerfDave | CappO: Specify the "Desktop Environment" task in the installer? |
| 14:37.13 | dpkg | CappO: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:37.30 | CappO | ok let's process that |
| 14:37.36 | setuid | xk: How many architectures are there? |
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| 14:37.56 | CappO | i did apt-get install kdebase, that should be ok, x isn't installed though |
| 14:37.57 | hgoesm | when i set a password i cannot connect with gftp user ftp an the correct password |
| 14:38.01 | CappO | so should do that now then |
| 14:38.06 | streuner | damn, this channel is helpful, you guy who ask and 10 who answer :-) |
| 14:38.10 | PerfDave | CappO: Installing KDE doesn't install X, since you don't need X to run KDE :) |
| 14:38.13 | resiak | CappO: No, X isn't installed with KDE, since you can use KDE without a local X server. Read the FAQ |
| 14:38.14 | streuner | s/you/one/ |
| 14:38.20 | PerfDave | s/X/locally-installed X/2 |
| 14:38.35 | CappO | ok let's read the faq |
| 14:38.41 | tarzeau | streuner: heh :) |
| 14:38.41 | resiak | Yes, let's. |
| 14:38.57 | majki | Hi, I have ippl and in log I see every minute too many connection from locahost:44501 to any others localhost:12345 ports ...when I do tcpdump -n -i lo I see it there, but I can't determinate, which program generate this packets..any idea, how can I ? (in nestat -puant I see nothing abo 44501 :( |
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| 14:39.21 | asg | majki: man fuser ; man lsof |
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| 14:40.14 | majki | asg: ok, thnx |
| 14:40.37 | asg | majki: look at the listening port '12345' in your example |
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| 14:43.55 | majki | asg: it looks, that on dst port isn't nothing, only 44501 src port generates connection to any localhost:dst_ports |
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| 14:44.49 | asg | majki: so there is some unknown process that keeps try to connect to localhost on 12345 via the source port 44501? |
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| 14:45.09 | Akselii | is debian CD1 enuf to install debian and X and those? |
| 14:45.27 | sh0rt | yes |
| 14:45.27 | resiak | !enuf |
| 14:45.58 | majki | asg: in netstat I didn't find nothing..now trying man lsof |
| 14:45.59 | resiak | !enuf is NOT ENOUGH! Type all 6 characters you lazy person. |
| 14:45.59 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 14:47.03 | rob_ | how can i see that i'm using udev for my /dev dir? |
| 14:47.34 | asg | rob_: /msg dpkg udev |
| 14:47.39 | colde89 | wie kann ich unter kde3.3 eine kernel mit xconfig kopilieren? (also ohne den login als root) |
| 14:47.43 | asg | !de |
| 14:47.44 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:47.57 | paulswm | dammit, beaten by asg |
| 14:48.04 | asg | !beat paulswm |
| 14:48.10 | colde89 | sorry wrong chanel .. |
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| 14:48.49 | paulswm | :( |
| 14:48.51 | ron_ | hoe kan ik een rpm installeren in Debian? |
| 14:48.53 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 14:48.59 | rob_ | asg, i should not use udev right? cause when i do dmesg | grep hd, i see my hdc cdrom, but i don't have a file /dev/hdc so i can't mount my cdrom drive |
| 14:49.03 | paulswm | asg: :D |
| 14:49.20 | paulswm | !nl |
| 14:49.20 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 14:49.26 | asg | rob_: I don't have an opinion on the matter since I've never used it, standard /dev works fine for me *shrug* |
| 14:49.44 | colde89 | how can i compile a kernel in kde3.3 with xconfig? (meens to compile without login as root)? |
| 14:49.52 | rob_ | asg, but i want to turn it of the, if i'm using it, i have no idea if i'm using udev or not |
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| 14:50.30 | asg | rob_: is there anything in the FAQ mentioned in the udev factoid that indicates how to decide? |
| 14:50.31 | resiak | colde89: adduser yourself src, then untar the kernel-source tarball as your own user |
| 14:50.34 | majki | asg: I've did now "watch -n 1 lsof -i TCP:44501" and in same time tcpdump -n -i lo ...In tcpdump I see packets from 44501 but in lsof nothing..what I did wrong ? |
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| 14:52.15 | colde89 | resiak: and then make mrproper, make xconfig, make .... |
| 14:52.16 | ron_ | how can i install an RPM in Debian? |
| 14:52.17 | asg | majki: try 'while true ; do netstat -puant ; done > ~/trace.txt'. Then that should hopefully give you a large textfile of netstat output in which the originating pid should manifest itself. |
| 14:52.37 | darkfox | hi all... does anyone know how to set the default spellchecker dictionary in thunderbird? I have myspell-en-gb installed but the Language keeps getting set to "download more" in Thunderbird |
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| 14:52.40 | paulswm | colde89: and use fakeroot to do the compile |
| 14:52.41 | asg | majki: and run it as root |
| 14:53.03 | resiak | !tell colde89 -about kp |
| 14:53.04 | rob_ | my quesiton is, can i remove the package udev (dpkg --purge udev) without rendering my computer system broken? |
| 14:53.10 | darkfox | ron_: if you *really* need to install an RPM you can try converting it to a .deb with alien. apt-get install alien and man alien |
| 14:53.26 | resiak | !tell colde89 -about debian reference |
| 14:53.28 | resiak | !faq colde89 |
| 14:53.32 | colde89 | paulswm: yes i use the debian-way.. |
| 14:53.34 | dpkg | colde89: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:53.39 | resiak | rob_: Yes |
| 14:53.40 | paulswm | colde89: that's not the Debian Way to do a compile, make-kpkg is the Debian May |
| 14:53.52 | majki | asg: ok, thnx |
| 14:53.54 | paulswm | make mrproper? |
| 14:53.54 | rob_ | resiak, yes i can remove it? |
| 14:54.00 | resiak | colde89: read all the stuff I threw at you. |
| 14:54.10 | rob_ | resiak, or, yes it will render my system broken? |
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| 14:54.27 | resiak | rob_: Yes you can remove it. If you use bits of Gnome like (if I remember correctly) hal and gnome-volume-manager, they will also be removed since they depend on udev |
| 14:54.44 | darkfox | anyone know how to set the default spellchecker language in Thunderbird? |
| 14:55.02 | ron_ | yes i.ve tried, but didn't work what is thecommand? |
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| 14:55.08 | rob_ | resiak, okee, thanks |
| 14:55.59 | resiak | !tell darkfox -about repeat |
| 14:56.11 | resiak | darkfox: Read its help, perhaps? |
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| 14:56.16 | majki | asg: it's strange .. I start 'while...' and in tcpdump I see now packets "15:55:51.152817 IP 127.0.0.1.44501 > 127.0.0.1.52152: R 0:0(0) ack 33110478 win 0" ..but when I look to trace.txt ..there's nothing about this :( |
| 14:56.32 | igraltist | hi |
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| 14:56.52 | igraltist | i have compile the kernelas root, is it stupid? |
| 14:56.53 | Eclipser | why can't I build i2c_algo_bit as module if I have i2c-core as module (i2c-algo-bit depends on i2c-core) |
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| 14:57.15 | darkfox | resiak: nothing useful in there |
| 14:57.16 | resiak | igraltist: You shouldn't make a habit of it. |
| 14:57.23 | resiak | !tell igraltist -about debian reference |
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| 14:57.37 | resiak | darkfox: Try a Thunderbird IRC channel, since no-one here seems to know? |
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| 14:57.48 | rob_ | resiak, it also wants to remove gnome-volume-manager, but that depends on gnome-deskto-environment |
| 14:57.58 | darkfox | resiak: just doing that, ta |
| 14:58.00 | asg | majki: hmmmm, you could try capturing the data in those packets and seeing if they indicate anything. |
| 14:58.09 | resiak | rob_: If you remove gnome-volume-manager, the rest of Gnome will still work. |
| 14:58.22 | igraltist | resiak, i read it |
| 14:58.22 | darkfox | resiak: i thought there might be a debian way tho (dpkg-reconfigure something :) |
| 14:58.32 | asg | majki: another option could be to use netcat to listen on likely ports and dump any input to a file (to try to catch what's up.) |
| 14:58.34 | resiak | darkfox: If there is, I don't know it -- sorry. |
| 14:59.19 | darkfox | resiak: np |
| 14:59.20 | rob_ | resiak, but i can't purge it, since it wants to remove gnome-desktop-environment as well, should i just force it perhaps? |
| 14:59.23 | majki | asg: capture could be the way..netcat probably not, dst port is for every connection another.. |
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| 14:59.59 | asg | majki: true, it depends on if the pattern shows a smallish number of reused dst ports or just an incrementing or random distribution. |
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| 15:00.39 | resiak | rob_: removing gnome-d-e is not as bad as you probably thing. |
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| 15:01.00 | resiak | rob_: Erm, think. You see, it's just a meta-package. The other bits of Gnome it pulled in when you installed it will happily continue to exist. |
| 15:01.07 | majki | asg: right..I'll go to analyze it..why I ask here, was the "strange" that in netstat is nothing :( |
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| 15:01.16 | asac | darkfox: you have a myspell dictionary for your language installed? |
| 15:01.25 | asg | majki: it may be occuring so quickly that netstat can't pick it up. |
| 15:01.29 | darkfox | asac: yes i do |
| 15:01.32 | rob_ | resiak, i thought it would completely remove my gnome window manager :-) |
| 15:01.37 | darkfox | asac: i just found that i can set it in prefs.js |
| 15:01.49 | darkfox | asac: i still can't find the UI option for it tho :) but it doesn't matter |
| 15:02.02 | resiak | rob_: It won't remove Metacity. It won't remove the Gnome desktop environment either, which I think is what you meant. |
| 15:02.04 | asac | darkfox: I think it will use the dictionary of your current locale setting |
| 15:02.05 | majki | asg: probably yes..it's too many connections in one second |
| 15:02.13 | majki | asg: thnx for ideas.. |
| 15:02.14 | asg | majki: probably. |
| 15:02.15 | streuner | Someone knows how is it possible to install myspell in X-Chat? |
| 15:02.16 | asg | majki: you're welcome |
| 15:02.23 | darkfox | asac: ah yeah the locale probably isn't set properly |
| 15:02.25 | asg | majki: let me know if you find out what it is, I'm curious. |
| 15:02.45 | majki | asg: ok..btw, I see now the same "problem" with src port 111 |
| 15:02.52 | jogego | can anybody assist in turning on a bluetooth dongle in mepis? |
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| 15:03.01 | PerfDave | jogego: #mepis |
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| 15:04.23 | rob_ | resiak, if i just try to remove gnome-d-e it get, dependency problems - not removing it doesn't specify which dependecy problems |
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| 15:04.30 | kurtak | cahoot: yeah, i got it figured out with dmix. thanks for the tip! |
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| 15:04.34 | EfaistOs | is gnomebaker available somewhere ? |
| 15:04.48 | resiak | rob_: /j #flood, and paste? |
| 15:05.01 | PerfDave | !remove gnome |
| 15:05.02 | dpkg | somebody said remove gnome was apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
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| 15:06.01 | resiak | PerfDave: He's not trying to |
| 15:06.30 | PerfDave | resiak: Well he should. |
| 15:06.46 | darkfox | asac: thanks for the suggestion... think my locale is actually set properly and thunderbird just got a bit screwy. i set user_pref("spellchecker.dictionary", "en-GB"); in the prefs.js and it's got the correct default now |
| 15:06.51 | darkfox | bye all |
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| 15:07.17 | resiak | PerfDave: LIE! |
| 15:07.18 | citral | PerfDave: as well as you should purge KDE ;) |
| 15:07.45 | asg | majki: oh, that's the portmapper |
| 15:08.13 | PerfDave | citral: Nooo, KDE makes Linux bearable. |
| 15:08.30 | xk | hrm... |
| 15:08.32 | citral | KDE makes linux like windows. |
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| 15:09.05 | PerfDave | citral: Only if you choose the Windows-like defaults. |
| 15:09.20 | PerfDave | citral: It makes Linux like the good bits of Windows. |
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| 15:09.34 | citral | mouaif. |
| 15:09.46 | resiak | CEASE FIGHTING! |
| 15:09.53 | citral | heh |
| 15:10.02 | citral | resiak: you must be too sensible :) |
| 15:10.51 | citral | arguing != fighting |
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| 15:12.57 | plasmatics | how do you log out of the X server in debian (then go to a console)? |
| 15:13.24 | _cyrex | Hello, someone here is using Miracl Libary under Debian linux ? |
| 15:13.29 | _joey | alt-ctl-F1 and then ctrl-c |
| 15:13.37 | majki | asg: I know, that it's portmapper, but I don't have portmapper installed, and this I see only in lo iface ..on ethX nothing |
| 15:13.39 | citral | plasmatics: right click -> exit for me, depends on your wm |
| 15:13.47 | plasmatics | _joey: thanks |
| 15:13.49 | asg | majki: hmmm |
| 15:14.01 | SuperSox | The good news, I found caffeine |
| 15:14.12 | SuperSox | The bad news, pro-plus now sells packets of 96 |
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| 15:14.35 | _joey | xine iz zee best |
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| 15:14.54 | conor | Hi |
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| 15:15.29 | conor | is replacing my debian sources with ubuntu hoary ones in sources.list and then dist-upgrading likely to work out nicely? ;) |
| 15:15.40 | citral | conor: no. |
| 15:15.41 | asg | conor: probably not |
| 15:15.43 | britt | what's the major difference between apache and apache2 |
| 15:15.46 | asg | conor: #ubuntu might know |
| 15:15.51 | streuner | Errors loading file /home/user/.xchat/xspell.pl: |
| 15:15.51 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.51 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.56 | citral | conor: and don't expect us to support it anyway. |
| 15:15.59 | streuner | How can i fix that? |
| 15:16.00 | asg | britt: multiple threading models to choose from |
| 15:16.03 | Mage__ | britt: threads |
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| 15:16.05 | majki | asg: I'll do tcpdump and then I'll see.. |
| 15:16.07 | conor | citral: heh |
| 15:16.14 | conor | asg: i'll check it out |
| 15:16.19 | britt | asg: is that it? |
| 15:16.34 | britt | How do you configure virtual directories in apache2? |
| 15:16.42 | britt | I never did get it to work in apache |
| 15:16.45 | asg | britt: no, it's built on a portable runtime library, has less mature support for php/perl etc. |
| 15:17.04 | Mage__ | britt: per ip or per name ? |
| 15:17.24 | britt | Mage__: i'm not sure *embarassed* |
| 15:17.26 | britt | name |
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| 15:17.58 | Mage__ | try with NameVirtualHost = * then a <Virtualhost *> servername virtual.host1.com ... </VirtualHost> |
| 15:18.04 | pngwn | britt, it's in the apache docs...apache.org |
| 15:18.10 | MunCH | hello debians |
| 15:18.17 | britt | okay....just as long as i can learn...thanks |
| 15:18.23 | PerfDave | conor: I expect that you'll end up with a system which neither #debian nor #ubuntu will be able to help you with. If you want Ubuntu for some godforsaken reason, install it. |
| 15:18.29 | Mage__ | then <Virtualhost *> servername virtual.host2.com </VirtualHost>, and so .. |
| 15:18.38 | britt | so peoples, you all go with apache2 |
| 15:18.41 | citral | PerfDave: amen. |
| 15:18.55 | Mage__ | britt: no |
| 15:19.03 | PerfDave | Not that #ubuntu are much cop at helping people with Ubuntu, let alone weird semi-Ubuntu hybrids. |
| 15:19.04 | britt | Mage__: |
| 15:19.05 | Mage__ | I stay on apache1 |
| 15:19.15 | britt | Mage__: becuase of the php support |
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| 15:19.16 | britt | ? |
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| 15:19.35 | Mage__ | yes, but not only for that |
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| 15:19.40 | conor | PerfDave: well, i was just wondering.. since this is the first time i've asked for help with either, i might take my chances ;) |
| 15:19.43 | Mage__ | and there's a apache2 php module |
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| 15:20.05 | britt | Mage__: my big linux guy is sleeping after a keg party |
| 15:20.17 | Mage__ | for example pyLucene don't work with the new threading model of apache2 |
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| 15:20.34 | britt | Mage__: so, I'm going to go with apache |
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| 15:20.43 | PerfDave | britt: I'm 6' 4", does that make me a big Linux guy? |
| 15:20.51 | delire | hmm is it true that an ESSID can only contain upto 32 characters but can use any kind of character? it's just passed as a string isn't it. |
| 15:21.11 | britt | PerfDave: well yeah, but would you actually be able to help me out whenever i need it |
| 15:21.18 | britt | PerfDave: LOL |
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| 15:21.34 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 15:21.45 | PEACEYALL | how do i go to see my network ? |
| 15:21.51 | PerfDave | britt: I do my best ;p |
| 15:21.52 | Mage__ | open your eyes |
| 15:22.01 | britt | LOL |
| 15:22.03 | citral | PEACEYALL: to the bathroom? |
| 15:22.08 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 15:22.13 | delire | PEACEYALL: do you mean domains or network interface configurations? |
| 15:22.19 | PEACEYALL | domains |
| 15:22.19 | PerfDave | !wayttd PEACEYALL |
| 15:22.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PEACEYALL? |
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| 15:22.32 | Mage__ | PEACEYALL: samba ? |
| 15:22.36 | PEACEYALL | ya |
| 15:22.46 | Mage__ | wtf ? |
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| 15:23.05 | delire | PEACEYALL: use a terminal or GUI samba browser |
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| 15:23.30 | PEACEYALL | how do i get the gui samba browser |
| 15:23.37 | mdadm | anyone know why the debian release of phpgadmin assumes you want to use apache? that doesnt seem right somehow.. |
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| 15:23.43 | PerfDave | !nicks in caps |
| 15:23.43 | dpkg | Having your NICK ALL IN CAPS is very annoying and makes people not want to help you. |
| 15:23.49 | PEACEYALL | okok |
| 15:23.55 | PerfDave | mdadm: What should it assume you want to use? |
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| 15:23.59 | Mage__ | !nicks lame |
| 15:23.59 | PerfDave | mdadm: Which Debian release? |
| 15:24.06 | citral | peaceyall: apt-cache search samba browser |
| 15:24.10 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:24.11 | peaceyall | ty |
| 15:24.15 | mdadm | perfDave: apt-get should ask you.... i am using sarge...and i want to be using lighttpd.. |
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| 15:24.28 | xk | !start a keyboard layout flamewar |
| 15:24.28 | dpkg | start a keyboard layout flamewar is probably Dvorak rules! |
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| 15:25.15 | peaceyall | ok |
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| 15:25.17 | PerfDave | mdadm: No, it shouldn't ask you, that's silly. If phppgadmin works with lighttpd, file a bug against phppgadmin concerning its dependencies. |
| 15:25.28 | rob_ | i still can't --purge gnome-desktop-environment, but it doesn't say why, it only say's 'dependecy problems' nothing more, how can i find out what's really wrong? |
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| 15:25.51 | plasmatics | sorry to come in here again, but, how would I exit my display manager and go into a console? (the console must not be running (shutdown)) |
| 15:25.53 | peaceyall | one more question, how do i send a fil via bluetooth, on gnome i just used to right click and click send via bluetooth , but in kde i cant find that , how do i send in kde? |
| 15:25.56 | mdadm | perfdave: whatcha mean file a bug? you mean talk to the people that maintain the package? |
| 15:25.58 | abrotman | mdadm: why don't you ask #php if it works with lighttpd |
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| 15:26.05 | mdadm | abrotman: it does work... |
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| 15:26.11 | abrotman | mdadm: got any docs? |
| 15:26.11 | PerfDave | mdadm: I mean file a bug against the package, on the BTS. |
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| 15:26.32 | mdadm | PerDave: BTS?:) |
| 15:26.34 | PerfDave | peaceyall: Ask #kde |
| 15:26.37 | lepow | Hey ppl, what param. is necesary to unrar a goddam rar file? i'm tryng unrar -x wd.rar and then he says, skipping 12 files... |
| 15:26.39 | PerfDave | mdadm: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:26.44 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | mdadm: i don't see lighttpd on php.net |
| 15:26.47 | xk | rar x file.rar |
| 15:26.57 | xk | or unrar file.rar |
| 15:27.01 | acid-trip | any one know anything about xpde |
| 15:27.04 | mdadm | abrotman: lighttpd supports php4 |
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| 15:27.12 | sh0rt | plasmatics, ctrl + alt +F1 |
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| 15:27.14 | lepow | xk he skipps all the files... |
| 15:27.17 | plasmatics | I'm updating my graphics drivers and it says that I need to shut down the x server |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | mdadm: i'm reading php.net .. it says nothing |
| 15:27.19 | citral | unrar e file.rar |
| 15:27.29 | PerfDave | lepow: You probably need unrar-nonfree, if it's been rarred with a recent version of WinRAR. Tell the people providing hte file not to use rar, it's stupid. |
| 15:27.30 | xk | -x is _wrong_ |
| 15:27.33 | abrotman | mdadm: perhaps you should ask #php .. just to make sure |
| 15:27.34 | xk | my statement still stands. |
| 15:27.38 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 15:27.39 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 15:27.40 | plasmatics | sh0rt: i tried that, but the driver that i am tryiing to run (from NVIDIA) still says i have to shut down the x server... |
| 15:27.46 | xk | try rar x file.rar, or unrar file.rar |
| 15:27.47 | mdadm | abrotman: good call.... |
| 15:27.54 | citral | unrar e file.rar |
| 15:27.56 | lepow | just a minute |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | mdadm: i see fhttpd and caudium .. but not lighttpd |
| 15:28.01 | mdadm | ill let you know what i find out |
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| 15:28.22 | lepow | failed |
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| 15:28.38 | citral | bad rar file then. |
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| 15:28.43 | xk | weird... I didn't realize unrar is the "free" version. |
| 15:28.44 | PerfDave | plasmatics: Don't run the nVidia installer from the nvidia site. /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 15:28.55 | takatumi | how can I color my ssh session? (fonts) |
| 15:29.00 | lepow | he lists all the file but then again he says 12 files failed |
| 15:29.00 | PerfDave | xk: The two packages both provide a binary called "unrar". |
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| 15:29.07 | xk | lepow: get rar. and use rar x file.rar |
| 15:29.08 | plasmatics | PerfDave: ok thanks for the advice |
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| 15:29.12 | citral | lepow: oh yeah, apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 15:29.17 | xk | PerfDave: yeah but unrar nonfree version doesn't use -parameters. |
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| 15:29.22 | jotaUm | Hello. Is there a way view the contents of the Debian CD images *before* I download them? thanks |
| 15:29.31 | lepow | i've got the another the free unrar pkg |
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| 15:29.36 | PerfDave | xk: Fair enough. |
| 15:29.52 | sh0rt | plasmatics, ctrl-alt-del |
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| 15:30.04 | takatumi | jotaUm: : you don't need all the CD images, just CD 1 or even the netinstall will do. |
| 15:30.08 | citral | lepow: so go evil and use the non-free version if you wants it to work... |
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| 15:30.17 | lepow | indeed |
| 15:30.18 | lepow | :) |
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| 15:30.21 | PerfDave | xk: The only person who sent me RAR files was my girlfriend, and I've trained her better. |
| 15:30.26 | citral | !pornsmite lepow |
| 15:30.50 | lepow | man it's a Obituary album :>) |
| 15:30.54 | lepow | World Demise |
| 15:31.03 | lepow | i've got it on amule |
| 15:31.08 | citral | arf sorry then. |
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| 15:31.29 | CappO | is there anything wich makes it possible to program .net under linux? |
| 15:31.36 | PerfDave | lepow: So go out and buy it, you won't have to unrar it hten ;) |
| 15:31.37 | jotaUm | takatumi, I know that. I just to know in what CD images there are some really specific packages. I'll install Debian on some friends and they don't have ADSL, so I need all the packages on CDs when I get there. |
| 15:31.39 | PerfDave | CappO: Mono |
| 15:31.54 | CappO | any more details ? |
| 15:31.58 | lepow | man, now i'm a kind "broken", no money at all |
| 15:32.02 | PerfDave | jotaUm: If you want specific stuff, try hacking your own jigdo file? |
| 15:32.04 | xk | heh |
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| 15:32.14 | PerfDave | CappO: Nope, I'm not a .net programmer. |
| 15:32.18 | CappO | ok |
| 15:32.43 | takatumi | jotaUm: the packages are sorted by popularity. (http://popcon.debian.org/) |
| 15:33.03 | jotaUm | jigdo isn't working for me. It freezes in a library package and stops downloading. |
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| 15:33.13 | jotaUm | takatumi, thanks |
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| 15:34.11 | britt | anybody have real cool awesome sources for apt-get? |
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| 15:34.28 | abrotman | CappO: #debian-mono and go-mono.com |
| 15:34.34 | Delph | debian.org has a couple of good ones =:) |
| 15:34.43 | Ronin | britt: apt-setup is pretty cool |
| 15:34.47 | britt | Delph: that's what i got |
| 15:34.55 | abrotman | britt: you mean unofficial stuff? |
| 15:34.56 | britt | Ronin: thx dude |
| 15:34.56 | Delph | other than that, the marilliat ones have some useful bits and pieces. |
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| 15:35.01 | lepow | i go evil and it's works,,, now my vrms is disappointed with me... :) thakns everybody! now it's time to metal!! |
| 15:35.16 | Nijan | hello, anybody know if something exists to convert a series of .doc in pdf? form command line i mean |
| 15:35.19 | britt | abrotman: yeah.....and official too |
| 15:35.27 | citral | lepow: metal *is* evil >:) |
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| 15:35.52 | frankster | I've found a bug in synaptic - anybody care to see if they can repeat it before I report it? |
| 15:35.57 | abrotman | britt: official at debian.org .. apt-get.org for unoffiical .. but it's easier if you knokw what you're looking for |
| 15:36.06 | abrotman | frankster: did you check bts to see if ti's there already |
| 15:36.20 | Pappa | britt: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main # for mplayer |
| 15:36.24 | lepow | the first music of that album is: "Don't care"... :) Hugs from Brasil man... |
| 15:36.30 | britt | abrotman: okay.....well i was puzzled to find bitchx not available |
| 15:36.35 | Pappa | or "testing", stable.. etc |
| 15:36.39 | abrotman | britt: it is |
| 15:36.41 | frankster | abrotman: no; I shall do that now - good idea |
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| 15:36.53 | abrotman | britt: which version of debian? |
| 15:36.56 | PerfDave | lepow: I guess being short of cash makes it OK to go rob a bank too ;) |
| 15:37.06 | shadow98 | are there any good debian firewall based distros |
| 15:37.07 | britt | abrotman: sarge....2.6 SMP |
| 15:37.08 | PerfDave | Nijan: Antiword can do .doc -> .txt on the command line. |
| 15:37.12 | PerfDave | shadow98: Debian? |
| 15:37.26 | britt | shadow98: smoothwall linux |
| 15:37.31 | CappO | thanx for the tip PerfDave, found some good info |
| 15:37.37 | shadow98 | perfdave i want something like ip cop |
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| 15:37.43 | abrotman | britt: apt-cache search bitchx |
| 15:37.44 | lepow | PerfDave: that's nice!! |
| 15:37.47 | britt | shadow98: my big linux guy swears by it |
| 15:37.47 | Pappa | britt: and there's apt-get.org, take a look there |
| 15:37.48 | Ronin | shadow98: then run ipcop :) |
| 15:38.10 | shadow98 | im looking for other ones for comparison |
| 15:38.26 | britt | britt@debian:~$ apt-cache search bitchx |
| 15:38.26 | britt | pork - Console-based AOL Instant Messenger & IRC client |
| 15:38.26 | britt | britt@debian:~$ |
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| 15:38.35 | abrotman | !info bitchx sarge |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | wtf .. i have it ... |
| 15:38.44 | abrotman | i think |
| 15:38.48 | britt | i did too! |
| 15:38.56 | citral | did they decide to be wise and remove it? |
| 15:38.57 | stew | abrotman: it got yanked due to a security flaw |
| 15:39.00 | britt | i swear by it....but now it's good |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:39.03 | britt | OH |
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| 15:39.06 | drac | Hmm, there is no bitchx on Sarge anymore. But i've installed it from Sid packages to Sarge without any depency problems. :i |
| 15:39.06 | shadow98 | Perfdave no ptpp on ipcop |
| 15:39.09 | abrotman | stew: i still have woody security source :) |
| 15:39.14 | stew | abrotman: wasn't handling non-printable characters |
| 15:39.20 | Ronin | shadow98: are you positive on that? |
| 15:39.21 | Pappa | shadow98: if you want a good firewall, regardless of OS, try m0n0wall |
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| 15:39.21 | stew | abrotman: i belive woody is also vulnerable |
| 15:39.24 | abrotman | britt: use irssi-text |
| 15:39.25 | PerfDave | shadow98: ptpp? |
| 15:39.26 | shadow98 | yes |
| 15:39.37 | shadow98 | i just installed it |
| 15:39.40 | britt | abrotman: thats what i have now....i'm on it. |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | britt: ah ok |
| 15:39.50 | britt | abrotman: but thanks anyway guy ;) |
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| 15:39.59 | PerfDave | shadow98: Riiight |
| 15:40.08 | abrotman | britt: you saw what stew said about bitchx right? |
| 15:40.22 | britt | abrotman: pulled due to security flaw |
| 15:40.24 | britt | ... |
| 15:40.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:40.30 | britt | :) |
| 15:40.43 | britt | anybody use naim by any chance? |
| 15:40.49 | abrotman | for console? |
| 15:40.51 | stew | britt: abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296535 |
| 15:40.53 | abrotman | centericq :) |
| 15:40.54 | britt | yeah |
| 15:41.04 | citral | bitlbee! |
| 15:41.06 | stew | britt: i did, but only becuase i hadn't yet discovered bitlbee |
| 15:41.06 | abrotman | centericq :) |
| 15:41.10 | citral | bitlbee! |
| 15:41.13 | abrotman | centericq :) |
| 15:41.18 | stew | bitlbee! |
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| 15:41.23 | lepow | see ya everyboy! |
| 15:41.26 | abrotman | whateveryouwanttouse! |
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| 15:41.33 | citral | amen. |
| 15:41.41 | plasmatics | echo does not mean repeat right? |
| 15:41.47 | neoxite | where to get linux help for noobs? |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | stew: that's cute |
| 15:41.59 | shadow98 | Papa: im looking for a site that contains a listing of firewalls so i can look |
| 15:42.08 | citral | neoxite: tlpd.org is a good start |
| 15:42.19 | citral | tldp |
| 15:42.24 | britt | stew: bitlbee? |
| 15:42.29 | abrotman | centericq! |
| 15:42.30 | stew | !bitlbee |
| 15:42.31 | dpkg | methinks bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | !centericq |
| 15:42.35 | dpkg | don't install centericq. use gaim. If for some unknown reason, you installed it using dpkg -i, dpkg --remove centericq; wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.2.5-11.2_i386.deb; dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.2_i386.deb; |
| 15:42.40 | abrotman | what! |
| 15:42.42 | neoxite | citral: looked there already, i meant on irc. |
| 15:42.43 | stew | hah |
| 15:42.44 | britt | LOL |
| 15:42.44 | abrotman | it works fine |
| 15:42.54 | britt | HAHAHA |
| 15:42.59 | citral | neoxite: oh, here you are fine then. |
| 15:43.04 | abrotman | i wonder how old that is |
| 15:43.09 | abrotman | !factinfo centericq |
| 15:43.09 | dpkg | centericq -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu> at Sat Jan 4 08:55:56 2003 (812 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by abrotman, 34s ago. |
| 15:43.11 | plasmatics | anyways, I was installing the NVIDIA graphics drivers and dpkg (THE BOT) said "open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid" which one is the sarge line? |
| 15:43.11 | shadow98 | nebody know any god sites |
| 15:43.13 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | shadow98: pope.org! |
| 15:43.36 | citral | heh |
| 15:43.43 | stew | britt: i was looking to consolidate irc and im into one client. naim works very well for im but its not a great irc client. bitlbee creates a ircserver on your local machine that connects to im and you can connect your irc client to bitlbee |
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| 15:43.46 | citral | god-online.com |
| 15:44.01 | stew | britt: bitlbee does im better than naim does irc, if you are just looking for im, naim is good |
| 15:44.07 | britt | stew: cool....i just wanted to use naim |
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| 15:44.32 | britt | stew: apprently there was a security issue with AOL's firewall...thought naim was a DoS attack |
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| 15:44.35 | Pappa | what was the command for updating irssi w/o exiting again? |
| 15:44.45 | citral | /reload |
| 15:45.00 | neoxite | i can't get my sound to work in kde, i think i might just be missing a certain package, im not sure though |
| 15:45.15 | Pappa | nah, not doing anything |
| 15:45.16 | pmcdonnell | This is completely off-topic, but does anyone know of a server/channel for chemistry information? |
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| 15:45.37 | britt | stew: thanks |
| 15:45.39 | Pappa | there |
| 15:45.42 | shadow98 | sorry im typing with one hand feeding my 8 mnth old dauyghter in the other |
| 15:45.44 | britt | anybody have phpBB working? |
| 15:45.50 | stew | !WikiFaq neoxite UseSoundCard |
| 15:45.51 | dpkg | neoxite: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:46.03 | plasmatics | what are the sarge lines in the sources.list and how can I duplicate one and set it to a sid? |
| 15:46.07 | neoxite | thanks, i'll do that |
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| 15:46.31 | paulswm | shadow98: googling is your best bet, or apt-cache search firewall might turn up a few (amongst the 102 entries the search turns up on sarge) |
| 15:46.38 | citral | plasmatics: if you have to ask you shouldn't |
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| 15:47.09 | h0ser | im having some problems with vlc - i got it to stream my video - but there is no audio, the error i get is cannot create audio chain - any suggestions? |
| 15:47.34 | citral | plasmatics: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 15:48.28 | paulswm | citral: that's really good, your 'if you have to ask...', heh |
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| 15:48.49 | citral | !iyhtaysn |
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| 15:48.55 | citral | mmm |
| 15:49.02 | paulswm | make one |
| 15:49.10 | citral | there is one |
| 15:49.14 | ericb_ | hi all |
| 15:49.16 | paulswm | Oh, didn't know |
| 15:49.41 | Nosf3ratu | I'm having problems booting my machine after a fresh kernel compile...I've tried booting old kernel images from grub's configuration, but to no avail. |
| 15:49.46 | citral | !iyhtays |
| 15:49.46 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 15:49.51 | paulswm | HAH |
| 15:50.04 | Nosf3ratu | Even selecting a failsafe options ends up with a kernel panic that it cannot open dev/console. |
| 15:50.17 | Nosf3ratu | If, perhaps, my /dev is hosed, is there anything I can do? |
| 15:50.17 | ericb_ | I have a strange problem with nfs... on the server side, a folder is marked drwxrwxrwx, owned by root root, and when mounting it, it suddently come drwxr-sr-x |
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| 15:51.05 | citral | plasmatics: scrolling up, I saw your real question, what dpkg factoid was that? |
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| 15:51.33 | chefkoch | i have problems installing nvidia nforce driverfor sound and lan |
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| 15:52.14 | plasmatics | citral: dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 15:52.23 | citral | plasmatics: but that foctoid has nothing to do with NVIDIA... |
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| 15:52.44 | citral | and anyway you DON'T WANT to mix sarge and sid |
| 15:52.46 | takatumi | plasmatics: sarge==testing |
| 15:52.46 | hgoesm | do somebody know a programm where i can record radiostream |
| 15:52.52 | plasmatics | citral: type in dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 15:53.14 | chefkoch | after download ing and installing, the installer told me, that he cant load the module |
| 15:53.17 | takatumi | citral: that's to get the nvidia sources available only in sid |
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| 15:53.18 | green_earz | hgoesm: streamripper |
| 15:53.26 | hgoesm | thx |
| 15:53.27 | citral | arf |
| 15:53.30 | citral | ok |
| 15:53.50 | plasmatics | takatumi: and i guess sid is unstable? |
| 15:53.57 | takatumi | plasmatics: yes. |
| 15:54.02 | Nosf3ratu | initrd aren't shared, right? |
| 15:54.14 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: between kernels? no. |
| 15:54.16 | hgoesm | is it a gui |
| 15:54.22 | plasmatics | takatumi: ah thanks, that cleared up a lot of things |
| 15:54.23 | Nosf3ratu | i should be able to load this old kernel fine then, right? |
| 15:54.25 | green_earz | yes |
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| 15:54.44 | green_earz | hgoesm: works with streamtuner |
| 15:54.49 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: with the old initrd, yes. |
| 15:55.01 | hgoesm | thx |
| 15:55.07 | green_earz | np |
| 15:55.08 | Nosf3ratu | I'm still getting a kernel panic because it can't load dev/console |
| 15:55.16 | Nosf3ratu | I think maybe my /dev partition is screwed up |
| 15:55.19 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: udev? |
| 15:55.25 | Nosf3ratu | takatumi, no |
| 15:55.29 | Nosf3ratu | i think i had installed udev once though |
| 15:55.38 | Nosf3ratu | perhaps it's still trying to mount /.dev or something? |
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| 15:55.45 | citral | and you removed it, and /dev is fucked up? |
| 15:55.54 | Nosf3ratu | apparently... |
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| 15:56.02 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: dunno, haven't removed it yet. |
| 15:56.03 | Nosf3ratu | but i had rebooted this after i removed it and had it work |
| 15:56.04 | Nosf3ratu | i thought |
| 15:56.16 | Nosf3ratu | s/work/worked |
| 15:56.25 | Nosf3ratu | i had this exact same issue before but i can't remember what i did to fix it |
| 15:56.26 | citral | Nosf3ratu: had this once. boot a rescue cd, mount / and cp -r /dev/* /target/dev |
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| 15:56.35 | Nosf3ratu | ooh |
| 15:56.37 | Nosf3ratu | that's a good idea |
| 15:56.40 | Nosf3ratu | i'll try that |
| 15:56.44 | Nosf3ratu | (thank god for thinkpads btw) |
| 15:56.56 | citral | Nosf3ratu: s/cp -r/mv/ |
| 15:57.06 | Nosf3ratu | why mv? |
| 15:57.13 | citral | cp -r hangs for any reason |
| 15:57.19 | Nosf3ratu | weird |
| 15:57.51 | davedude | greetings, I am running sarge with the 2.6.11.5 kernel and gnome. I am wanting to speed up my mouse's scroll wheel speed but have been unsuccessful, would anyone have an idea how? |
| 15:57.51 | citral | mv will act like cp -r since you cannot delete the files on the CD |
| 15:58.06 | citral | !crush udev |
| 15:58.19 | Nosf3ratu | udev totally sucks btw :( |
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| 15:58.39 | takatumi | works here, but heard a lot of stories. |
| 15:58.52 | Nosf3ratu | i don't have a /target |
| 15:59.08 | citral | Nosf3ratu: did you mount /? |
| 15:59.10 | Nosf3ratu | when you say /target you mean /where_i_mounted_root right? |
| 15:59.11 | Nosf3ratu | yeah |
| 15:59.14 | CappO | where can i best change my mouse from my touchpadmouse on my laptop to a connected ps/2 mouse in kde ? |
| 15:59.18 | citral | yeah that's what I mean |
| 15:59.20 | takatumi | davedude: the tweaks are all in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:59.22 | Nosf3ratu | k cool |
| 15:59.53 | Nosf3ratu | well... |
| 15:59.54 | Nosf3ratu | they copied... |
| 15:59.56 | davedude | takatumi, ok, i will look there again, i don't recall seeing anything for scroll speed. thanks |
| 16:00.01 | Pappa | tis is screwed up |
| 16:00.08 | Pappa | xset q says my monitor is turned off |
| 16:00.11 | Nosf3ratu | and console is in there |
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| 16:00.16 | Nosf3ratu | citral, try to reboot now? |
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| 16:00.23 | citral | Nosf3ratu: that should be enough, after you reboot go in /dev/ and type ./MAKEDEV case anything is missing |
| 16:00.30 | Nosf3ratu | aye aye |
| 16:00.38 | takatumi | davedude: this is for a touchpad, but some of the options might be similar. http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:00.50 | citral | but /dev/console is there now, I'm thinking on alsa perhaps |
| 16:01.00 | thingfish | I need to buy a new mouse. If I should change brands and model from what I'm using now, what do I need to reconfigure once I've attached the new mouse? |
| 16:01.06 | Nosf3ratu | nope |
| 16:01.08 | Nosf3ratu | still messed up |
| 16:01.22 | gratuit | CappO: last time I was using a laptop, I think I just rebooted after plugging in the mouse, and it would work |
| 16:01.23 | Nosf3ratu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.31 | thingfish | the new one will also be a ps/2 mouse. |
| 16:01.33 | Nosf3ratu | before that is a line about pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 16:01.35 | Pappa | even cooler BeOS has a function called is_computer_on(). t |
| 16:01.36 | CappO | hmm ok gonna try |
| 16:01.43 | Nosf3ratu | i'll try an old image, though |
| 16:01.46 | davedude | takatumi: ahh perhaps the scrollDelta, will that a go..thankyou |
| 16:02.05 | Nosf3ratu | shit |
| 16:02.10 | Nosf3ratu | old image doesn't work either |
| 16:02.44 | Nosf3ratu | maybe i screwed something up, i'll cd-run and mount again... |
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| 16:03.30 | sh0rt | how do you copy move and rename a file all at once from the command line |
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| 16:03.44 | Nosf3ratu | citral, can i run makdev from the "rescue" disk? |
| 16:03.49 | citral | sh0rt: cp foo /place/bar |
| 16:03.59 | citral | Nosf3ratu: try it? |
| 16:04.08 | Nosf3ratu | k... |
| 16:04.09 | citral | Nosf3ratu: has to be /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 16:04.15 | Nosf3ratu | right |
| 16:04.31 | hgoesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.43 | sh0rt | citral, /bar? |
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| 16:05.22 | citral | sh0rt: another example, cp /etc/mailcap /home/christophe/.mailcap |
| 16:05.34 | Nosf3ratu | citral, there's no MAKEDEV |
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| 16:06.07 | sh0rt | citral, thanks |
| 16:06.19 | citral | Nosf3ratu: oh yeah, everything fucked. do the mv thing again, and check that there is a /dev/console |
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| 16:06.27 | Nosf3ratu | there is :( |
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| 16:06.53 | Nosf3ratu | ls -al |grep console in /mnt/dev (my old root) shows 2: |
| 16:06.56 | Nosf3ratu | console and xconsole |
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| 16:07.05 | Nosf3ratu | console is root:root crw-------- |
| 16:07.07 | Award | When running an rsync command, how do you specify a path with spaces in it? I'm running into a problem with Bontmia where even "my directory" and my\ directory keep getting chopped as ~/my ~/directory...but I think it's rsync chopping it, bontmia is just a bash script. |
| 16:07.41 | citral | Nosf3ratu: looks right, dunno why the fuck it can't find it at boot time. |
| 16:07.46 | jethro | Award: "my\ directory\ |
| 16:07.47 | Nosf3ratu | me either :( |
| 16:07.47 | jethro | Award: "my\ directory" |
| 16:07.52 | Nosf3ratu | dammit |
| 16:07.57 | Nosf3ratu | i _really_ don't want to reinstall |
| 16:07.57 | Nosf3ratu | again |
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| 16:08.14 | citral | Nosf3ratu: you have one patition for / and another for /home right? |
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| 16:08.19 | Nosf3ratu | yeah |
| 16:08.21 | Nosf3ratu | of course |
| 16:08.23 | Award | jethro: Hmh, one would think... |
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| 16:08.27 | Nosf3ratu | so i know it's not _disastrous_ |
| 16:08.28 | Nosf3ratu | but still :( |
| 16:08.39 | citral | Nosf3ratu: and you didn't fuck up with devfs? |
| 16:08.45 | Award | jethro: Or perhaps I didn't try quites AND delimiters. |
| 16:08.49 | Nosf3ratu | well...not that i know of, citral. |
| 16:08.49 | Award | jerome: I'll give it a try |
| 16:08.55 | Nosf3ratu | what happened was this: |
| 16:08.57 | jethro | Award: is that to specify a remote directory? |
| 16:09.01 | Nosf3ratu | (firstly, this is -amd64) |
| 16:09.09 | Nosf3ratu | i upgraded nvidia's drivers |
| 16:09.11 | Nosf3ratu | or, tried to |
| 16:09.20 | Nosf3ratu | they installed fine, but nothing opengl would run, because it would segfault |
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| 16:09.37 | jethro | Award: if yes imho you have to escape twice, so either "my\ foo" or my\\ foo |
| 16:09.38 | Nosf3ratu | the installer for nvidia said that i should run 2.6.11+ because older kernels had issues with page_attr or something |
| 16:09.39 | CappO | i have installed kde and everything seems ok, kdm should also be ok, but when i reboot i do need to login text based, how can i fix it so i can login grpahical |
| 16:09.39 | britt_ | does sarge have APM enabled by default? |
| 16:09.45 | Nosf3ratu | so i upgraded to 2.6.11.6 |
| 16:09.47 | Nosf3ratu | and rebooted |
| 16:09.49 | Nosf3ratu | and now all this |
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| 16:10.02 | citral | Nosf3ratu: and you didn't KEEP the old kernel? |
| 16:10.07 | citral | just in case |
| 16:10.11 | resiak | Nosf3ratu: Are you using the nvidia-installer? |
| 16:10.14 | thingfish | When I install a new and different mouse, which dpkg-reconfigure do I run at first boot? drxx? |
| 16:10.16 | Nosf3ratu | one thing of note: when running df (or similar commands) over the past few days, it would report that /.dev was missing |
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| 16:10.21 | Award | jethro: This is a local. I'm backing up data on a mounted ntfs partition via rsync/bontmia. Eg. /mnt/windrive1/My\ Documents |
| 16:10.21 | Nosf3ratu | citral, nah, that's the thing |
| 16:10.26 | Nosf3ratu | citral, i have all of my old kernels |
| 16:10.27 | Nosf3ratu | every one of them |
| 16:10.30 | Nosf3ratu | and none will load |
| 16:10.30 | citral | Nosf3ratu: well, you suck :) |
| 16:10.37 | resiak | thingfish: If you've chosen /dev/input/mice in drxx, you shouldn't have to change anything. |
| 16:10.40 | citral | ah misread |
| 16:10.41 | resiak | !tell Nosf3ratu -about enter |
| 16:10.41 | Nosf3ratu | citral, i know :( |
| 16:10.51 | thingfish | ok, thank you resiak |
| 16:10.58 | jethro | Award: but /mnt/foo/bar\ foo is the rsync destination? |
| 16:10.59 | piernik | :( how to install coreutils? I need to have C man pages |
| 16:11.09 | Award | jethro: The rsync source |
| 16:11.09 | citral | Nosf3ratu: well it's not exactly your fault if a kernel blows you /dev |
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| 16:11.19 | Award | jethro: It's local to local :) |
| 16:11.21 | jethro | weird |
| 16:11.25 | Nosf3ratu | _if_ that's even what happened, you know? |
| 16:11.30 | jethro | Award: rtfm then :) |
| 16:11.33 | Award | jethro: That said there's no reason it couldn't be remote over ssh |
| 16:11.37 | jethro | Award: I ran out of clues |
| 16:11.37 | CappO | i have installed kde and everything seems ok, kdm should also be ok, but when i reboot i do need to login text based, how can i fix it so i can login grpahical ? |
| 16:11.38 | Award | jethro: There's no difference. |
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| 16:11.46 | Nosf3ratu | citral, like i siad, days leading up to it, i'd see weird messages about /.dev missing |
| 16:11.51 | Award | jethro: rsync allows local directories |
| 16:11.56 | Nosf3ratu | _but_ - i checked, and udev wasn't installed |
| 16:11.57 | jethro | Award: if its the destination path you have to double escape |
| 16:12.00 | jethro | Award: I know that |
| 16:12.04 | GCS | Hi. If I would like to set up a bounch of virtual domains with ftp access, what should I use? proftpd or pureftpd? Users in MySQL, and they should be chrooted into their specific directory. |
| 16:12.04 | Award | jethro: Hehe, I'll give it a try |
| 16:12.05 | resiak | Nosf3ratu: Try installing udev :) |
| 16:12.19 | Nosf3ratu | resiak, i can't boot my machine. that's the worst advice i've ever heard. :( |
| 16:12.21 | citral | that's probably the only solution |
| 16:12.35 | Nosf3ratu | oh wait |
| 16:12.38 | resiak | Nosf3ratu: Oh... Sorry, I've just read the scrollback |
| 16:12.41 | citral | Nosf3ratu: there are packages on install CD, maybe udev is there |
| 16:12.48 | Nosf3ratu | yeah, i was just thinking that |
| 16:12.53 | Nosf3ratu | hmm |
| 16:12.55 | britt_ | dudes, does anybody have mysql WORKING |
| 16:12.56 | britt_ | ? |
| 16:12.58 | Nosf3ratu | ok, i have no idea how to get to those |
| 16:13.08 | Nosf3ratu | britt_, everyone does. just ask whatever question you have. |
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| 16:13.18 | citral | Nosf3ratu: browse your cd and use dpkg -i to install them |
| 16:13.28 | jethro | britt_: nope, mysql is just a fucking lazy butt |
| 16:13.35 | jethro | britt_: you can't get it to work |
| 16:13.38 | britt_ | well it wont work for me, i cant get phpBB to work |
| 16:13.40 | Nosf3ratu | citral, i know :) just wondering where they are on the cd o |
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| 16:13.43 | Nosf3ratu | er, "out loud" |
| 16:13.45 | citral | Nosf3ratu: find /place -name '*.deb*' |
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| 16:14.06 | Nosf3ratu | ah, of course |
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| 16:15.07 | Nosf3ratu | well... "find /cdrom -name "*.deb"|grep udev" returns nothing. |
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| 16:15.18 | colde89 | why cold i not untar the kernel-source as user in /usr/src as user? i`m member of group src. |
| 16:15.23 | Nosf3ratu | is there a text browser on this cd or something that i can use to grab a udev .deb? |
| 16:15.54 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: nothing in /var/cache/apt/? |
| 16:15.55 | citral | Nosf3ratu: does find /cdrom/ -name '*.deb*' return something at all? |
| 16:16.04 | Nosf3ratu | citral, yeah, a lot |
| 16:16.10 | Nosf3ratu | takatumi, let me check |
| 16:16.36 | Nosf3ratu | ooh |
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| 16:16.54 | Nosf3ratu | yep, i have a udev_0.056-1_amd64.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:17.05 | citral | guess why... |
| 16:17.19 | Nosf3ratu | because it's installed :( |
| 16:17.30 | citral | no, because you installed it before |
| 16:17.33 | Nosf3ratu | oh |
| 16:17.35 | Nosf3ratu | even worse |
| 16:17.36 | Nosf3ratu | heh |
| 16:17.47 | citral | so dpkg -i udev<TAB> |
| 16:17.50 | britt_ | phpBB, anybody ever used it? |
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| 16:18.03 | britt_ | I just want a working BB thing for my website |
| 16:18.04 | Nosf3ratu | yeah...dpkg isn't in $PATH or it doesn't exist at all |
| 16:18.09 | Nosf3ratu | not in /usr/sbin either |
| 16:18.14 | britt_ | but i suppose i should just start with apache |
| 16:18.25 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: chrooted in? |
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| 16:18.30 | citral | Nosf3ratu: /usr/bin/dpkg udev |
| 16:18.35 | Nosf3ratu | takatumi, booted from my installed |
| 16:18.37 | Nosf3ratu | er, installer |
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| 16:19.08 | Award | jethro: Aha, single quotes and escaped spaces. |
| 16:20.20 | Nosf3ratu | i don't have it in /usr/bin either |
| 16:20.28 | Nosf3ratu | i'm running a find on my mounted / |
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| 16:20.36 | Nosf3ratu | nothing so far except my stupid 32bit chroot |
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| 16:21.02 | abrotman | !eat udev |
| 16:21.37 | Nosf3ratu | found my old one |
| 16:21.42 | Nosf3ratu | i'll use that...see if it works :( |
| 16:21.45 | takatumi | chroot to / |
| 16:21.53 | abrotman | citral: it's not a package |
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| 16:22.04 | abrotman | afaik .. on the CD anyways |
| 16:22.05 | citral | abrotman: I mean the command |
| 16:22.09 | abrotman | it can't |
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| 16:22.12 | Nosf3ratu | takatumi, before i run the dpkg you mean? |
| 16:22.12 | abrotman | it's in base |
| 16:22.19 | Nosf3ratu | takatumi, sorry...how do i do that? |
| 16:22.25 | abrotman | chroot ? |
| 16:22.29 | Award | jethro: Or not |
| 16:22.55 | Nosf3ratu | nm... "chroot /mnt" (/mnt is where i mounted my /) |
| 16:23.00 | Nosf3ratu | that's correct, right? |
| 16:23.15 | takatumi | Nosf3ratu: yes |
| 16:23.18 | Nosf3ratu | alrighty |
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| 16:23.44 | takatumi | are you the same Nosf3ratu that used to be here? |
| 16:23.50 | Nosf3ratu | yeah |
| 16:23.53 | Nosf3ratu | i'm just on my thinkpad |
| 16:24.04 | andax | I have a strange problem here .. i noticed random reboots and system crashes this week. Strange is that crashes/reboots happen around every 15 minutes but only if there is NO load on the system at all. If there is medium/high load on the machine it runs without any problem for days. There is no error message, nothing just reboot/hang. I tested the CPUs/memory and it's all fine. (it's debian sid/2.4.26-smp kernel, 2x400mhz P2) |
| 16:24.04 | takatumi | and lost some clue. |
| 16:24.10 | Nosf3ratu | that too :( |
| 16:24.27 | Nosf3ratu | it installed, but it complained about nothing being in /proc |
| 16:24.31 | Nosf3ratu | i suppose that's alright |
| 16:24.32 | abrotman | andax: memtest? |
| 16:24.41 | Nosf3ratu | anything i should do before rebooting? |
| 16:24.43 | andax | abrotman: it was running all night, no error. |
| 16:24.46 | Nosf3ratu | e.g. retry a makedev? |
| 16:24.49 | abrotman | andax: cpuburn? |
| 16:25.07 | Nosf3ratu | nevermind...makedev doesn't work because there's no /proc |
| 16:25.08 | abrotman | andax: are you watching it .. or it's a server? |
| 16:25.16 | Quinn_Storm | hmm...crash and reboot with no load...could it possibly be a background task that waits for a no load situation to execute? |
| 16:25.19 | andax | abrotman: it's a local fileserver |
| 16:25.27 | abrotman | andax: no logs? |
| 16:25.33 | abrotman | andax: are you running a watchdog? |
| 16:26.07 | abrotman | andax: and why are you running that kernel instead of 2.4.27? |
| 16:26.22 | colde89 | why cold i not untar the kernel-source as user in /usr/src as user? i`m member of group src. |
| 16:26.23 | andax | i saw a message just before reboot it was something that ends with "sync error" and there was a lot of memory addresses on the screen like 0x00000 but i only saw it for a second then it rebooted |
| 16:26.24 | Nosf3ratu | ok, that didn't work either. |
| 16:26.40 | Nosf3ratu | installed udev, couldn't run makedev (naturally) still won't boot any kernels, new or old. |
| 16:26.51 | abrotman | colde89: perms? |
| 16:27.05 | abrotman | andax: did you try 2.4.27? |
| 16:27.06 | andax | abrotman: because it was running fine for 2.4.26 and i don't like to mess things that work. Do you think I should upgrade if it was working fine with this kernel for a long time? |
| 16:27.17 | abrotman | andax: is it externally available? |
| 16:27.27 | andax | what do you mean by externally? |
| 16:27.31 | abrotman | public IP |
| 16:27.34 | andax | yes |
| 16:27.42 | colde89 | abrotman: habe set them to user (chown user.user) |
| 16:27.43 | andax | 62.68.167.153 |
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| 16:27.48 | abrotman | andax: i didn't need the IP |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | andax: possible you've been rooted? |
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| 16:28.21 | andax | well, i guess i'll run chkrootkit |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | andax: check /tmp |
| 16:28.39 | abrotman | andax: do you know what you did upgrade? .. like libc perhaps? |
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| 16:28.59 | PerfDave | andax: If it's crashing when there's no load, it could be some kind of apic / acpi suspend problem? |
| 16:29.12 | andax | abrotman: /tmp is okay, i know all the files there. |
| 16:29.14 | abrotman | servers shouldn't use acpi :) |
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| 16:29.48 | andax | PerfDave: well, i explicitly disabled everything ACPI and power saving and stuff like that in the bios. if that matters. |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | andax: does it reboot over and over .. i mean .. if you don't touch it? |
| 16:30.01 | PerfDave | andax: How about in the kernel? |
| 16:30.13 | andax | i'll check the kernel .. second |
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| 16:30.57 | andax | i don't have ACPI enabled, but i have APM. |
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| 16:31.09 | abrotman | yeah .. i guess it's too old for acpi |
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| 16:31.22 | PerfDave | andax: Try booting without it? (passing noapm to the kernel *might* work) |
| 16:31.26 | andax | it's an ABIT BP6 from something like '99 or so |
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| 16:32.15 | abrotman | andax: you've tried a serious stress test? |
| 16:32.23 | ariel | I've got too much modules loaded. how I can disable them without risk? |
| 16:32.52 | valdyn | ariel: to much how and why |
| 16:32.54 | PerfDave | ariel: In what way "too much"? |
| 16:33.15 | Eclipser | how can I determine which NIC will be eth0 and which eth1? |
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| 16:33.36 | abrotman | use some rules ... but dmesg will tell you on the current boot |
| 16:33.36 | britt_ | in the setup, you choose the primary one to be used to get sources |
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| 16:33.42 | andax | abrotman: i tried to create some seriously heavy load to see what happens, it was running for 24 hours with a load > 10. Then i stopped the jobs that created the load and it crashed in 5 minutes. |
| 16:33.47 | dvs | Eclipser: the order that their modules are loaded |
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| 16:33.55 | valdyn | Eclipser: by controlling / checking in which order the drivers get loaded |
| 16:33.56 | abrotman | andax: swap issues? |
| 16:34.03 | britt_ | Eclipser: in the setup, you choose the primary one to be used to get sources |
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| 16:34.10 | spiekey | hello! |
| 16:34.12 | abrotman | britt_: kind of |
| 16:34.15 | Eclipser | dvs, aha, and if they're both compiled to the kernel?-p |
| 16:34.26 | britt_ | abrotman: oh...well that was just my experience |
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| 16:34.27 | abrotman | Eclipser: use modules :) |
| 16:34.29 | dvs | Eclipser: You're screwed! ;-) |
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| 16:34.35 | Eclipser | bleh :) |
| 16:34.37 | andax | abrotman: i recreated the swap partition with mkswap 2 days ago |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | andax: i didn't mean the actual swap partition . i meant the kernel swap stuff ... |
| 16:34.55 | jcorgan | 1ZR096260395571958 |
| 16:35.04 | abrotman | jcorgan: and? |
| 16:35.04 | Eclipser | ah well, I guess I can live with this, though I'd prefer my network link be on eth0 :< |
| 16:35.11 | valdyn | Eclipser: you can rename them, you can probably pass options to the kernel to control that, but i dont know which |
| 16:35.32 | ariel | PerfDave: because in my other linux dist. I've got just few and here a lot and it seems that they make my system slow |
| 16:35.47 | abrotman | blacklist them if it's that big of an issue |
| 16:35.55 | abrotman | ariel: are there any you know you don't need? |
| 16:35.57 | valdyn | Eclipser: apt-cache show ifrename |
| 16:36.03 | andax | abrotman: i didn't configure anything about swap, so i have the default values that come with the 2.4.26 kernel source. |
| 16:36.03 | jcorgan | need help with a lilo+raid1+lvm10 setup that has been working for a long time, but now lilo fails when trying to reconfigure boot process |
| 16:36.16 | abrotman | andax: self compiled? |
| 16:36.18 | jcorgan | getting LVM_GET_IOP_VERSION failed |
| 16:36.19 | andax | yes |
| 16:36.23 | Eclipser | valdyn, thanks |
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| 16:36.31 | abrotman | andax: erm ... did you try a debian packaged kernel? |
| 16:36.35 | PerfDave | ariel: Debian has highly, highly modular kernels, more so than other distros. Just because you have more modules loaded doesn't mean that your kernel is any bigger than in other distros. |
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| 16:36.55 | PerfDave | ariel: Counting the number of modules loaded by different kernels means nothing. |
| 16:37.03 | valdyn | Eclipser: oh, nice tool, it can go by MAC |
| 16:37.06 | ariel | abrotman: yes, but I don't know which of them are useless for me |
| 16:37.13 | abrotman | andax: do you know if you have upgraded libc or anyhing |
| 16:37.16 | abrotman | ariel: then don't touch them |
| 16:37.35 | andax | abrotman: yes i do apt-get upgrades very often since i use sid. |
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| 16:37.46 | PerfDave | ariel: If modules are being loaded, then something somewhere thinks you need them. |
| 16:37.50 | MikeH | how can i check how many lines are in a file in linux? |
| 16:37.50 | abrotman | andax: but you dont' know which upgrade made it start crashing? |
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| 16:37.54 | dvs | sarge hasn't been updated in 2 day now. |
| 16:37.56 | PerfDave | MikeH: wc |
| 16:37.57 | abrotman | MikeH: wc -l |
| 16:38.02 | MikeH | thanks :> |
| 16:38.04 | PerfDave | andax: You're running Sid on a *server* and you're worried that something has broken randomly? |
| 16:38.07 | abrotman | dvs: yes it has |
| 16:38.10 | PerfDave | Eclipser: ifrename |
| 16:38.20 | Eclipser | PerfDave, thanks but I already got the answer |
| 16:38.25 | PerfDave | Argh, valdyn beat me to it. |
| 16:38.27 | andax | PerfDave: yes, that's the case. I'm not worried, i'm just curious :) |
| 16:38.28 | Eclipser | :) |
| 16:38.35 | dvs | abrotman: Really? I guess my mirror is not updating then. Damn peer1 |
| 16:38.37 | valdyn | does ifrename work on wired interfaces though? |
| 16:38.39 | PerfDave | andax: The answer is "You're running sid" :) |
| 16:38.39 | jcorgan | the ioctl call on /dev/lvm failes when lilo tries it |
| 16:38.42 | PerfDave | valdyn: I believe so. |
| 16:38.51 | Eclipser | let me try :) |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | PerfDave: heh |
| 16:39.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: color code them! |
| 16:39.10 | mne | hi everybody, just a quick question: I'm trying to format my 40GB ipod with FAT32. I partitioned its HDD and everything seems to be fine. The problem is that after formating the HDD with "mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/sda2" (partition slightly more than 39GB) the size of the partition is only 1022MB after mounting it ? any help/hints ? |
| 16:39.12 | jcorgan | but when lvmiopversion does the ioctl, it succeeds and returns 10 |
| 16:39.26 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 16:39.30 | ariel | PerfDave: lsmod says that some modules are loaded but some of them are not used for any device |
| 16:39.37 | andax | abrotman: my libc6 version is 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | andax: but when was it upgraded last? |
| 16:39.54 | PerfDave | ariel: No, lsmod tells you that some modules aren't depended on by other modules. |
| 16:40.03 | andax | abrotman i have no clue :) |
| 16:40.04 | abrotman | andax: i guess a while ago .. i have the same |
| 16:40.14 | abrotman | andax: i'm on sarge :) |
| 16:40.19 | spoof | hi, i have a trouble with my linux 2.6.10(debian) , i845 and ide hard disks. When i try to copy - i/o wait in "top" is about 100% and system some time freezes. Has anybody this trouble? |
| 16:40.33 | andax | spoof: check if you have dma enabled |
| 16:40.43 | PerfDave | spoof: First thing to do is check whether you've enabled dma, using the hdparm utility. |
| 16:40.45 | spoof | andax: yes, it's enabled |
| 16:40.46 | dvs | spoof: Nope, now with mine. |
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| 16:40.48 | jcorgan | no takers for the lilo/lvm problem? :-) |
| 16:40.48 | abrotman | i fucking hate my landlords dogs |
| 16:40.58 | abrotman | andax: dpkg -l coreutils |
| 16:40.59 | dvs | abrotman: shoot them |
| 16:41.07 | abrotman | dvs: illegal here |
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| 16:41.20 | dvs | abrotman: damn! And those animal activists... |
| 16:41.25 | lines | hallo |
| 16:41.30 | andax | abrotman: coreutils 5.2.1-2 |
| 16:41.32 | mne | so are the problems with mkfs.vfat and disks lager than 32GB ? |
| 16:41.37 | abrotman | no |
| 16:41.39 | spoof | this trouble with 2.6.x kernels only |
| 16:41.42 | ariel | abrotman: I dunno If you tried kubuntu but kubuntu live-cd runs faster than my installed Debian and I think that I couldn't be possible or at least logic |
| 16:41.54 | PerfDave | ariel: Define "faster" |
| 16:41.57 | valdyn | spoof: did you manually enable dma? |
| 16:42.06 | spoof | valdyn: yes, of coz |
| 16:42.10 | abrotman | ariel: i hate kde .. and don't run live cds |
| 16:42.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:42.16 | valdyn | spoof: dont do it. |
| 16:42.18 | mne | what trouble is this exactly on 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 16:42.27 | PerfDave | !works in 2.4 |
| 16:42.27 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 16:42.36 | abrotman | andax: what about a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:42.43 | ariel | with kubuntu live-cd running kde 3.4 I was able to play a fullscreen movie |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | andax: could it be a piece of hardware failed? |
| 16:42.48 | spoof | hdparm says : using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 16:42.49 | mne | PerfDave, lol |
| 16:42.50 | abrotman | ariel: wrong channel |
| 16:42.52 | ariel | with kaffeine |
| 16:42.54 | abrotman | ariel: #ubuntu |
| 16:42.54 | valdyn | spoof: manually enabling dma does not make sense unless you explicitely disabled automatic dma in your kernel config. |
| 16:43.13 | abrotman | ariel: they also use different kernels .. etc |
| 16:43.14 | andax | abrotman: i checked the RAMs and CPUs, and they are fine.. i even replaced the memory. |
| 16:43.19 | PerfDave | valdyn: Except some chipsets have trouble with automatic DMA. |
| 16:43.23 | abrotman | andax: failed drive hardware? |
| 16:43.27 | zinx | mne: there's a limit at 127.53GB |
| 16:43.28 | valdyn | PerfDave: ah |
| 16:43.32 | ariel | abrotman: I'm not here to talk about kubuntu I just was an example |
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| 16:43.37 | PerfDave | ariel: If you can't play movies in full screen on your Debian system, I wouldn't assume that your kernel is bloated, it almost certainly doesn't make that much difference. |
| 16:43.37 | britt_ | how do i disable APM on sarge |
| 16:43.38 | britt_ | ? |
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| 16:43.51 | zinx | mne: it's possible you have to adjust the block size to cope with a filesystem the size you want |
| 16:43.53 | abrotman | ariel: they also use xorg ... your kernel is probably not the issue |
| 16:43.56 | PerfDave | ariel: I'd suggest looking at your X configuration first. |
| 16:43.58 | mne | zinx, the ipod HDD is only 40 GB, so there should be no problem right ? |
| 16:43.59 | andax | abrotman: hard drive ... hm. i'll run a bad-block scan, good idea. |
| 16:44.08 | spoof | valdyn: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y |
| 16:44.12 | abrotman | andax: i meant more like .. a resistor imploded :P) |
| 16:44.18 | valdyn | spoof: i still suspect that your manually enabling dma wasnt useful. try to see in your log why its not enabled automatically |
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| 16:44.33 | abrotman | andax: have you tried a heavy disk IO test? |
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| 16:44.48 | ariel | abrotman: be right back |
| 16:44.51 | xoz | valdyn: you have to enable also dma support specific to your ide driver |
| 16:44.58 | marinos | britt_: im not absolutely sur but you can run apm=false |
| 16:44.58 | ariel | PerfDave: be right back |
| 16:45.03 | marinos | at boot |
| 16:45.05 | zinx | mne: make sure you use -F 32 |
| 16:45.05 | abrotman | andax: the sync thing .. man 1 sync .. man 2 sync |
| 16:45.13 | abrotman | andax: see what they do? |
| 16:45.18 | ariel | mom is asking for help |
| 16:45.27 | abrotman | ariel: screw her! |
| 16:45.29 | britt_ | marinos: where do i pass that too |
| 16:45.30 | britt_ | ? |
| 16:45.38 | britt_ | can i edit grub things |
| 16:45.38 | andax | abrotman: i generated load with lot's of RAR's compressing/decompressing files so if hdds were bad i think the compression programs would fail somewhere but they didn't. |
| 16:45.39 | britt_ | ? |
| 16:45.39 | mne | zinx, I did use -F32, still the formated partition is only 1022MB ;( |
| 16:45.40 | abrotman | in lilo or grub you configure it |
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| 16:45.51 | marinos | britt_: in grub or lilo |
| 16:45.51 | PerfDave | ariel: To speed up the *running* speed of your system, make sure you're using the best X driver for your graphics hardware, you're using the best kernel for your processor and you're using libc-686 (or whatever it's called) if your CPU is good enough. |
| 16:45.56 | zinx | mne: how large is the partition? |
| 16:46.01 | abrotman | andax: i would try another kernel .. see if it acts differently |
| 16:46.10 | britt_ | abrotman: what file do i edit and where |
| 16:46.12 | abrotman | andax: how long does it normally take with no load to die |
| 16:46.13 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:46.18 | PerfDave | ariel: Ubuntu also uses various hacks to make it seem like the system is booting faster, which you can also perform on a Debian system but it's rarely worth it. |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | britt_: which are you using? |
| 16:46.22 | andax | abrotman: under 15 minutes. |
| 16:46.23 | mne | zinx, slightly more than 39GB. output of fdisk: "/dev/sda2 1 38147 39062512 b W95 FAT32" |
| 16:46.24 | britt_ | grub |
| 16:46.26 | valdyn | spoof: is your disk i/o working properly if you use a debian kernel? |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | andax: well .. i guess you'd have your answer quickly then |
| 16:46.38 | marinos | britt_: ther must be an etry for the kernel |
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| 16:46.51 | mne | zinx, output of df -h: "/dev/sda2 1022M 4.0K 1022M 1% /mnt/ipod" |
| 16:46.58 | dvs | andax: It almost sounds like problems with apm or acpi or some other power saving feature |
| 16:46.59 | abrotman | britt_: check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:47.02 | zinx | mne: uh, that's not 39062512k |
| 16:47.05 | britt_ | abrotman: cool |
| 16:47.07 | zinx | mne: unless you changed the fdisk options |
| 16:47.08 | marinos | britt_: kernel (hd1,5)/vmlinuz.... root=/dev/hd... .... apm=off |
| 16:47.31 | abrotman | dvs: but his kernel ran for a long time with no issue |
| 16:47.32 | marinos | dont change anything else only ..put it at the end |
| 16:47.38 | abrotman | dvs: something changed recently |
| 16:47.48 | abrotman | is apm a package? |
| 16:47.49 | dvs | abrotman: Oh. sorry. |
| 16:48.01 | abrotman | andax: dpkg -l apmd |
| 16:48.11 | zinx | mne: erh, maybe it is :/ |
| 16:48.19 | andax | abrotman: 3.2.2-1 |
| 16:48.21 | mne | zinx, :P |
| 16:48.30 | zinx | mne: try -s 128, but don't leave it that way because 128 is way too large |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | andax: i have a newer one |
| 16:48.40 | andax | hm |
| 16:48.41 | abrotman | andax: and i'm on sarge |
| 16:48.46 | abrotman | !info apmd |
| 16:48.47 | mne | zinx, ok, i have a try :) |
| 16:48.48 | dpkg | apmd: (Utilities for Advanced Power Management (APM)), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.2.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 16:48.54 | abrotman | andax: you could try it |
| 16:49.01 | andax | it's already downloading |
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| 16:49.12 | abrotman | andax: do you run upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 16:49.15 | valdyn | xoz: no, not generally, maybe for some drivers, not for the 4 I used lately, just "IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO" |
| 16:49.17 | andax | upgrade |
| 16:49.26 | britt_ | abrotman: where do i put apm=false |
| 16:49.26 | andax | no i'm just running install apmd |
| 16:49.28 | zinx | mne: 14 would be far more sane :) |
| 16:49.31 | abrotman | andax: you never run dist-upgrade? |
| 16:49.42 | zinx | erh, wait.. |
| 16:49.44 | abrotman | britt_: end of the kernel line i think |
| 16:49.47 | andax | apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade. |
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| 16:49.55 | andax | nothing else, should I? |
| 16:49.58 | abrotman | andax: perhaps you should try apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 16:49.58 | xoz | andax: try not using X and check if it reboots with no load |
| 16:49.59 | dvs | andax: yes |
| 16:50.01 | spoof | valdyn: my i/o working properly on kernel 2.4.x (debian) , but on 2.6.x i have this trouble. DMA is enabled , hdparm -tT ~ 35 mb/s |
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| 16:50.06 | zinx | oh, poop. maybe not. 32 would be sane :P |
| 16:50.13 | britt_ | sweet i'm gonna reboot now |
| 16:50.14 | abrotman | xoz: fileserver |
| 16:50.16 | mne | zinx, with -s 128 the partition after formating it is exactly 1GB ;( |
| 16:50.20 | xoz | ah |
| 16:50.24 | zinx | mne: then your partition is incorrect |
| 16:50.28 | abrotman | i hope he's not running X on it :) |
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| 16:50.31 | mne | zinx, strange ... |
| 16:50.32 | zinx | mne: or mkfs.vfat thinks it is |
| 16:50.35 | SArvok_ | Hello all |
| 16:50.37 | SArvok_ | What adresse must i enter in the sources.list in order to have amd64 packages ? |
| 16:50.41 | andax | xoz: i only start x server when i want to watch a movie, but it never crashes during mplayer running. |
| 16:50.48 | zinx | mne: zero out the first sector - dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 of=/dev/sda2 |
| 16:50.49 | abrotman | !tell SArvok_ about amd64 |
| 16:50.51 | mne | zinx, I'm trying to format it with ext3 just for testing .. |
| 16:50.53 | zinx | mne: try again |
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| 16:51.11 | mne | zinx, cool, i'll try that ... btw, thx for helping |
| 16:51.12 | zinx | mne: vfat stuff tends to make some stupid assumptions |
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| 16:51.32 | SArvok_ | abroman ? => I' haven't understood sorry .. (about the ftp adress) |
| 16:51.34 | xoz | andax: APM also can be the culprit and APIC |
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| 16:52.05 | valdyn | spoof: if you are sure that DMA is working properly, then this *may* be one driver where you need to pass "pci=routeirq" to your kernel. I've seen this before, and your kernel brings a message explaining this when you boot. However i have no idea if your specific driver needs this ( still ) |
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| 16:52.54 | mne | zinx, still the same :( |
| 16:53.02 | valdyn | spoof: the other 2 cases where this was needed both were some promise controller ( forgot which ) |
| 16:53.06 | spoof | valdyn: thx, i try it |
| 16:53.09 | spiekey | " ipppd: info: no CHAP secret entry for this user!" --> does it mean in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets? |
| 16:53.10 | zinx | mne: really sounds like the partition is the wrong size, then :/ |
| 16:53.19 | zinx | mne: oh, does the kernel know it's that large? |
| 16:53.34 | mne | zinx, how can i see that ? somewhere in proc ? |
| 16:53.38 | zinx | mne: (i.e., have you rebooted, or unmounted and reloaded the partition table on that disk?) |
| 16:53.38 | andax | abrotman, PerfDave, xoz: thanks for the help and ideas, now i'm gonna go and try with a newer kernel and stop using sid :) thanks for your time. |
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| 16:53.52 | zinx | mne: it's probably in sysfs and/or proc somewhere |
| 16:53.55 | PerfDave | andax: Best of luck |
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| 16:54.22 | zinx | mne: /sys/block/sda/sda2/size |
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| 16:54.33 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 16:54.59 | mne | zinx, i just partitioned it with fdisk .. I think it does reload the partition table after writing the table, right ? thx, i'll have a look .. |
| 16:55.26 | xoz | i have this problem in SMP with acpi enabled. it's rebooting if it's idle to save power ;) |
| 16:55.27 | spoof | mmm , kernel: ICH4: not 100%% native mode: will probe irqs later | ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA |
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| 16:55.38 | zinx | mne: it can only reload it if you have nothing on that whole disk in use (i.e., mounted or open) |
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| 16:55.52 | zinx | mne: but yes, it does try to reload it |
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| 16:56.08 | valdyn | spiekey: yes, but this message might appear even if you should and are using pap authentication |
| 16:56.13 | mne | zinx, there's nothing open on the disk, i unmount the disk each time i'm formating, ... it |
| 16:56.16 | xoz | i think andax has his power management on which shuts down his computer |
| 16:56.25 | xoz | during idle time |
| 16:56.28 | zinx | mne: nothing on sda1/3/4/etc? :) |
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| 16:56.45 | genix | is there any command to install "Desktop Enviroment" instead of using "/usr/sbin/base-config" ? |
| 16:56.48 | sh0rt | please excuse my ignorance, but where do I change irssi's colors |
| 16:56.53 | britt_ | apparently shutdown isnt available either....what's the deal? |
| 16:56.56 | xoz | genix: tasksel |
| 16:56.57 | mne | zinx, no, nothing ... /dev/sda1 is the firmware of the ipod, /dev/sda2 is the data disk. there are no other partitions |
| 16:56.59 | valdyn | spoof: thats a common message, its no indication for an error |
| 16:57.05 | zinx | mne: weird, then |
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| 16:57.26 | britt_ | hello |
| 16:57.26 | mne | zinx, the size in /sys/block/sda/.... is it in bytes ? it says "78125024" |
| 16:57.32 | jcorgan | can anyone help with a LVM+lilo problem? I'm stumped... |
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| 16:58.13 | zinx | mne: 512 blocks |
| 16:58.15 | britt_ | can anybody tell me why 'shutdown' isnt available from apt-get |
| 16:58.18 | zinx | erh, 512 byte blocks |
| 16:58.20 | sobersabre | guys hello. is there an accepted install/config log template for linuxlaptop site report ? |
| 16:58.25 | genix | xoz: I've have runned that before, but I need a command that install "desktop enviroment" without asking |
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| 16:58.31 | rsd | hi |
| 16:58.33 | valdyn | !tell britt_ about search |
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| 16:58.35 | sobersabre | jcorgan, try typing the problem first... |
| 16:58.39 | vampire | how do i get the gid of a group? |
| 16:58.40 | britt_ | valdyn: |
| 16:58.41 | spoof | valdyn: it was before pci=routeirq , now i will try it... |
| 16:58.44 | zinx | mne: i dunno why mkfs.vfat's not cooperating then :/ |
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| 16:58.50 | britt_ | valdyn: i got that already....live on it |
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| 16:58.56 | britt_ | try it...no shutdown |
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| 16:59.12 | rsd | after setting up acpi-cpufreq and cpufreqd for my centrino 1.5, when i boot linux tells me i'm "losing too many ticks!" and that the TSC can't be used as a timesource. what does this mean? |
| 16:59.16 | britt_ | wmshutdown is X |
| 16:59.17 | sobersabre | jcorgan, what is the problem with lvm ? |
| 16:59.19 | xoz | genix: what do you mean of desktop environment? kde? gnome? |
| 16:59.19 | jcorgan | ok, system boots fine from a previous config (about a year ago), but now lilo won't install from any changes in lilo.conf |
| 16:59.25 | valdyn | britt_: /sbin/shutdown |
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| 16:59.31 | jcorgan | it reports LVM_GET_IOP_VERSION failed on /dev/lvm |
| 16:59.32 | genix | Xoz, GNOME |
| 16:59.43 | genix | xoz, GNOME |
| 16:59.44 | jcorgan | strace shows it's a failed ioctl to the /dev/lvm file |
| 16:59.45 | vampire | how can i know the gid of a user group? |
| 16:59.46 | mne | zinx, so it's definitely a mkfs.vfat problem ... unfortunately I don't have any windows boxes to format it with fat32 ... |
| 16:59.50 | valdyn | britt_: not sure how the search factoid fails to explain how to find that |
| 16:59.51 | xoz | jcorgan: have you executed lilo after changing the config? |
| 17:00.00 | jcorgan | but lvmiopversion works and reports 10 |
| 17:00.00 | sobersabre | what is written in root= and install= directives ? |
| 17:00.05 | zinx | mne: give it: mkfs.vfat -F 32 -s 32 /dev/sda2 78125024 |
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| 17:00.09 | n3t | hy |
| 17:00.09 | xoz | genix: /etc/init.d/gdm? or kdm or xdm? |
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| 17:00.13 | britt_ | valdyn: so why isnt it in my $path, and how do i add that dir |
| 17:00.15 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 17:00.36 | jcorgan | root=/root/sysvg/root |
| 17:00.39 | valdyn | britt_: are you root? |
| 17:00.40 | zinx | mne: though the proper block count may be 2441407 |
| 17:00.43 | ribnitz | I want to do a conversion from uw-imapd(-ssl) to the resp. courier. |
| 17:00.46 | zinx | mne: the documentation is a bit lacking |
| 17:00.49 | jcorgan | install=/boot/boot.b |
| 17:00.53 | n3t | i try to install ubuntu on powerpc g3 |
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| 17:01.09 | jcorgan | this is kernel 2.4 with an initrd |
| 17:01.15 | sobersabre | i see... |
| 17:01.21 | n3t | nothing happen why ? |
| 17:01.25 | jcorgan | again, the system boots fine |
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| 17:01.32 | jcorgan | so the config worked at one time |
| 17:01.52 | jcorgan | but it was so long ago that I set it up that I've forgotten all about lilo and LVM configuration :( |
| 17:01.52 | ribnitz | n3t: the ubuntu people probably know that better than us. |
| 17:02.03 | genix | xoz, that is just for {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} |
| 17:02.10 | mne | zinx, mkfs.vfat gives me a warning: "Warning: block count mismatch: found 1048576 but assuming 78125024." |
| 17:02.11 | n3t | nobody give me a reply |
| 17:02.17 | sobersabre | jcorgan, what's the output of lsattr /etc/lilo.conf |
| 17:02.25 | n3t | and ubuntu is a port of debian |
| 17:02.29 | jcorgan | soberabre: standby |
| 17:02.34 | dvs | n3t: /topic |
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| 17:02.41 | ribnitz | n3t: so supposedly is knoppix. |
| 17:02.42 | zinx | mne: haw, so it does have the wrong block count |
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| 17:02.44 | jcorgan | sobersabre: all dashes |
| 17:02.53 | zinx | mne: looks like it's using 1024 byte blocks, too |
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| 17:03.14 | mne | zinx, how can I correct the block count ? |
| 17:03.16 | jcorgan | strace shows lilo gets through a lot of processing of lilo.conf |
| 17:03.21 | Award | jethro: I am becoming convinced that it is bontmia that is mutilating the input, not rsync. |
| 17:03.22 | zinx | mne: that being the case, try 39062512 instead |
| 17:03.27 | n3t | all are speaking about xp and ubuntu on #ubuntu |
| 17:03.28 | zinx | mne: i don't know, reboot i guess |
| 17:03.29 | mne | zinx, ok |
| 17:03.32 | genix | xoz, "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 17:03.32 | Award | jethro: Even feeding wildcards fails. |
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| 17:03.37 | jcorgan | but bars out on the call to LVM_GET_IOP_VERSION ioctl |
| 17:03.39 | zinx | mne: if it's a removable device, disconnect it and reconnect it |
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| 17:03.59 | zinx | mne: and double-check that fdisk/cfdisk see it as the correct size |
| 17:04.05 | mne | zinx, ok, i'm trying |
| 17:04.11 | mne | zinx, ok |
| 17:04.14 | Toastie_ | No matter how I try to query my OpenLDAP server, after populating it with a single entry, trying to retrieve this entry with ldapsearch results in 'No such object'. |
| 17:04.15 | annakin | "/msgdpkgguidelines". |
| 17:04.20 | genix | xoz, but "Desktop Enviroment" in taskssel" is installing more then gnome-desktop-environment, right? |
| 17:04.37 | sobersabre | jcorgan, what have you upgraded lately ? |
| 17:04.41 | ribnitz | Any recommendations of how to convert mbox-style /var/mail to maildir-style? |
| 17:04.42 | valdyn | genix: that installs kde too |
| 17:04.42 | sobersabre | the lvm package ? |
| 17:04.56 | genix | valdyn, just kde and gnome??? |
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| 17:04.56 | sobersabre | the kernel ? |
| 17:05.01 | pipeline | n3t: Ubuntu is not debian. Install Debian. |
| 17:05.06 | valdyn | genix: no idea what else |
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| 17:05.11 | xoz | genix: depends what option you have chosen. you should enable also kdm or gdm so that you can have a graphia |
| 17:05.12 | jcorgan | sobersabre: that's the problem, i'm on debian/testing, so stuff gets upgraded everytime i do an apt-get update/upgrade, which is every few days/weeks |
| 17:05.29 | xoz | genix: graphical login. else , use startx |
| 17:05.34 | mne | zinx, i did remove and reconnect it. fdisk tells me the correct size |
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| 17:05.38 | ribnitz | n3t: I dont have a g3, but I have heard reports that debian works on a g3. I cant speak for ubuntu though. |
| 17:05.40 | britt | hi people |
| 17:05.49 | sobersabre | jcorgan, i guess going back to the compatible version of lvm is your solution... the question is to which. |
| 17:05.51 | jcorgan | sobersabre: no kernel changes, but tracking the lvm/devmapper/lilo packages in testing |
| 17:06.01 | genix | xoz, graphical login, what is the name off that package? |
| 17:06.03 | britt | !hi everyone |
| 17:06.03 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai everyone! |
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| 17:06.06 | mne | zinx, mkfs.vfat still gives me this warning: "Warning: block count mismatch: found 1048576 but assuming 39062512" |
| 17:06.13 | jcorgan | sobersabre: yeah, i don't know how long ago it was working as i haven't tried to reconfigure lilo in about a year |
| 17:06.17 | annakin | hello brit |
| 17:06.18 | neoxite | is there no mldonkey package for sarge? |
| 17:06.19 | jcorgan | thank god the system boots ok |
| 17:06.23 | pipeline | genix: You definitely want gdm, not kdm. |
| 17:06.29 | TBBle | ribnitz: package mb2md can do the box conversion, to make it actually work depends on your software. (MUAs and MTAs) |
| 17:06.34 | britt | is there anyway I can verify that apm is indeed off? |
| 17:06.35 | Quinn_Storm | the new kdm is decent but it hasn't hit debian main yet |
| 17:06.37 | pipeline | genix, xoz: kdm is pretty primitive :( |
| 17:06.39 | valdyn | !tell neoxite about search |
| 17:06.42 | mne | zinx, cool, it's seems to have worked |
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| 17:06.53 | pipeline | britt: run the apm utility, it'll complain about apm support not being in the kernel |
| 17:06.55 | mne | zinx, df -h shows of 38G free now |
| 17:06.58 | ribnitz | TBBle: muas are syheed or thunderbird. |
| 17:06.59 | zinx | mne: yeah, don't worry about the warning i guess, assuming the partition is correct |
| 17:07.00 | genix | pipeline, I know that, just dont want to use taskssel to install desktop enviroment |
| 17:07.03 | britt | pipeline: syntax? |
| 17:07.07 | mne | zinx, thanks for your help, really cool ! |
| 17:07.12 | genix | pipeline, I want to install it by command only |
| 17:07.15 | pipeline | britt: uh, just run it, it will complain |
| 17:07.16 | xoz | apm_available command |
| 17:07.20 | jcorgan | what's strange is that the ioctl call when made from lvmiopversion works |
| 17:07.29 | jcorgan | but when the same ioctl is called from lilo it fails |
| 17:07.30 | britt | pipeline: what's the command? |
| 17:07.32 | xoz | britt: apm_avv |
| 17:07.35 | pipeline | britt: apm |
| 17:07.36 | xoz | britt: apm_available |
| 17:07.39 | ribnitz | TBBle: muas are syheed or thunderbird. MTA is exim4 (completely unproblematic) |
| 17:07.43 | jcorgan | at least that is what ltrace and strace are showing |
| 17:07.56 | britt | none of that works...so i guess i'm set |
| 17:07.59 | britt | :) |
| 17:08.07 | xoz | jcorgan: are you using udev or devfs? |
| 17:08.15 | DuckTales | Are there any gui frontends, that will tell me when apt-get needs updates. |
| 17:08.15 | jcorgan | xoz: neither |
| 17:08.18 | sobersabre | jcorgan, and what are the function parameters in each call (from lilo and not from lilo) ? |
| 17:08.20 | TBBle | ribnitz: You'll have to refer to the documentation. The MUAs can _probably_ work it out for themselves. The MTA will probably need to be told. |
| 17:08.22 | DuckTales | Like if a critical security update comes for sarge. |
| 17:08.24 | pipeline | genix: "apt-setup && apt-get update && apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment gdm" |
| 17:08.25 | DuckTales | It will notify me. |
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| 17:08.33 | DuckTales | Or even like rss feed. |
| 17:08.38 | DuckTales | From a security website. |
| 17:08.42 | vax3d | can anyone help me? |
| 17:08.48 | britt | vax3d: sure |
| 17:08.54 | jcorgan | sobersabre: there are no function call parameters, just a return value |
| 17:08.57 | genix | pipeline, have you tried this? |
| 17:09.00 | sobersabre | vax3d, we are all mind readers! |
| 17:09.00 | britt | vax3d: what do you need? |
| 17:09.02 | vax3d | I am having trouble changing the resolution |
| 17:09.05 | xoz | jcorgan: lilo might be the problem. try to read the changelog of lilo |
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| 17:09.14 | pipeline | genix: Do you know what you're doing? |
| 17:09.21 | jcorgan | the only difference i see is that the /dev/lvm file is opened with different mode attributes in lilo than in lvmiopversion |
| 17:09.25 | sobersabre | jcorgan, you need to call strace with special flags |
| 17:09.36 | jcorgan | sobersabre, what are the flags |
| 17:09.38 | genix | pipeline, yes |
| 17:09.41 | pipeline | genix: "apt-setup" configures apt in order to go get the appropriate packages. |
| 17:09.41 | vax3d | i tried to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:09.43 | sobersabre | don't remember :) |
| 17:09.45 | vax3d | but id didnt fix it |
| 17:09.46 | britt | have you checked the....actually, i forgot all about that....i use console only ;) |
| 17:09.47 | ribnitz | TBBle: Telling the MTA is the smallest problem. |
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| 17:09.50 | jcorgan | ok, that's what man is for :) |
| 17:09.55 | pipeline | gen: "apt-get install <list of packages>" fetches and installs packages |
| 17:09.57 | genix | pipeline, apt-setup is configured by my script |
| 17:10.02 | slept | where is resolv.conf updated from ? |
| 17:10.04 | vax3d | -.- |
| 17:10.15 | pipeline | genix: yes, then install "gdm" and "gnome-desktop-environment" or "kde-core" and you're good to go. |
| 17:10.24 | vax3d | Does anyone know how to fix resolution on the Debian Desktop? |
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| 17:10.29 | pipeline | genix: There is a KDE display manager, "kdm," but it's pretty primitive. |
| 17:10.31 | genix | pipeline, =) |
| 17:10.43 | pipeline | vax3d: gnome-display-properties |
| 17:10.53 | ariel | who has some advices to make my kernel thin? |
| 17:10.54 | jcorgan | sobresabre: i'm going to go lookup strace and see if i can get more detailed info, i'll be back in a few, thanks for your help |
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| 17:10.59 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 17:11.08 | slept | i messed up my configuration , and now it gets autoupdated |
| 17:11.11 | benjamindees | 'apt-get upgrade' fails to list the packages it wants to upgrade; how can I get it to do this? |
| 17:11.15 | pipeline | vax3d: If your hoped-for resolution isn't available, run " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 " |
| 17:11.17 | sobersabre | ariel ... remove all you don't need... |
| 17:11.20 | dvs | ariel: compile it yourself |
| 17:11.31 | candyban | When will the cool new packages be in unstable? (e.g. kde 3.4, openoffice 2.0, ...) |
| 17:11.34 | genix | pipeline, so "takskssel" > "Desktop Enviroment" is just installing a DM and a graphical login? |
| 17:11.37 | sobersabre | ariel, do you mind having it all in the lkm form ? |
| 17:11.40 | dvs | candyban: in etch |
| 17:11.50 | pipeline | ariel: There's no reason to slim down the kernel. It's already as "slim" as it can be, as everything is compiled as a module. |
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| 17:11.53 | candyban | dvs: ? |
| 17:12.02 | dvs | candyban: Next version of Debian |
| 17:12.02 | sobersabre | jcorgan, different mode is good enough |
| 17:12.03 | genix | pipeline, what about openoffice, kate, evolution and all the other goodies? |
| 17:12.03 | pipeline | genix: I don't really know what tasksel does. |
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| 17:12.10 | sobersabre | what are the differences ? |
| 17:12.27 | pipeline | genix: Install "synaptic" and you can browse the available packages graphically. |
| 17:12.31 | ariel | pipeline: do you think I need to make my custom kernel image? |
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| 17:12.46 | TBBle | benjamindees: That's a manpage question. |
| 17:12.52 | pipeline | ariel: Building your own kernel is a huge pain in the ass to little benefit. I'm proud to say I haven't made a custom kernel in nearly a year. |
| 17:12.55 | candyban | dvs: oh :o( ... so first sarge needs to be released then sid needs to become testing and then etch needs to be created? |
| 17:12.56 | sobersabre | ariel, you can't change kernel image without using other one ... |
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| 17:13.00 | benjamindees | TBBle, yeah, sorry, I've found it |
| 17:13.14 | sobersabre | pipeline, way to go :) |
| 17:13.15 | dvs | candyban: No, sid will never be testing |
| 17:13.21 | PerfDave | DuckTales: Sarge doesn't get security updates, only Woody does. There's teh debian-security-announce mailing list which is updated every time a security flaw is found. |
| 17:13.23 | dvs | candyban: etch will become testing |
| 17:13.25 | benjamindees | TBBle, I thought it used to do it by default though |
| 17:13.40 | candyban | dvs: Oh ... sid will forever be unstable? |
| 17:13.40 | pipeline | dvs: sid's name never changes. |
| 17:13.43 | pipeline | err |
| 17:13.48 | pipeline | candyban: unstable's name never changes |
| 17:13.48 | dvs | candyban: yes |
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| 17:13.57 | candyban | oh |
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| 17:14.24 | genix | pipeline, yes |
| 17:14.38 | benjamindees | ariel, unless you need some unsupported hardware or something building a kernel is a waste of time; try an older kernel if it's too slow |
| 17:14.40 | ariel | sobersabre: I downloaded 2.6 kernel source using apt-get now is time to compile it, but i dunno what are the suitable setting to get it working well |
| 17:14.42 | candyban | will xorg ever be used in favour of xfree86 ? |
| 17:14.49 | PerfDave | !topicsmite candyban |
| 17:14.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon candyban. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 17:14.53 | dvs | !tell ariel about kp |
| 17:15.00 | genix | pipeline, That is one method, and then script it via apt, but taskssel install a lot off package |
| 17:15.19 | pipeline | genix: Don't worry about tasksel. Just get the system up and running and you can remove things later. |
| 17:15.35 | dvs | !tell candyban about topicbadger candyban |
| 17:15.42 | sobersabre | ariel, u need to rtfm a little about kernel preparation. and then u can use your current config as reference. |
| 17:15.54 | ariel | benjamindees: I had 2.4 kernel and it was slower than 2.6 I'm running now. |
| 17:16.03 | sobersabre | jcorgan, how are you doing ? |
| 17:16.06 | britt | does !tell msg dpkg privately to whomever it is targeted to |
| 17:16.14 | PerfDave | ariel: Your problem is almost certainly *not* your kernel. Hand-compiling your kernel is a waste fo time. |
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| 17:16.37 | PerfDave | !tell britt about tell |
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| 17:16.43 | britt | LOL |
| 17:16.45 | candyban | /msg dpkg xorg |
| 17:16.55 | sobersabre | PerfDave, unless something is not there in the default kernel, or some hardware started to be supported in a newer kernel.... |
| 17:16.57 | britt | i got nothing... |
| 17:17.02 | britt | *sigh* |
| 17:17.03 | dvs | ariel: If you're worried about the speed that your kernel is executing, compiling a custom one will not improve the speed |
| 17:17.05 | jcorgan | sobersabre: not much progress, couldn't get any more detail on the strace output, BUT |
| 17:17.10 | PerfDave | britt: Then you must be ignoring PMs or something. |
| 17:17.16 | PerfDave | sobersabre: ariel was complaining that his system is slow. |
| 17:17.20 | jcorgan | sobersabre: i think i've got a version mismatch somewhere |
| 17:17.22 | britt | yeah how do i check pms |
| 17:17.25 | britt | pm's |
| 17:17.34 | britt | in irssi |
| 17:17.35 | sobersabre | PerfDave, i missed that line :) |
| 17:17.40 | nvz | that makes a lot of sense, just worry about installing 600 packages (everything including the kitchensync) take all that extra time get the system up an running... then remove 300-400 of the packages |
| 17:17.42 | PerfDave | britt: Uhm, you're using irssi, they'll have shown up as other windows. |
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| 17:17.58 | britt | rigth i see under ACT: a red 3 |
| 17:18.04 | jcorgan | sobersabre: the return from the failed ioctl is ENOTTY, which, when looking in the lvm.c source code, is returned when it doesn't recognize the ioctl number |
| 17:18.04 | britt | which is the pm i assume |
| 17:18.05 | valdyn | britt: alt-3 |
| 17:18.11 | PerfDave | britt: So press alt-3 to switch to it |
| 17:18.13 | ariel | PerfDave: I've got a specific problem system is fast the problem appears when I attempt to play fullscreen video whatever video player i use |
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| 17:18.26 | jcorgan | sobersabre: yet strace prints out the symbolic name ok |
| 17:18.27 | PerfDave | ariel: Why do you think compiling a custom kernel will help you with this problem? |
| 17:18.30 | britt | my G4 is messing this up |
| 17:18.33 | britt | nevermind |
| 17:18.34 | sobersabre | jcorgan, i guess u see the direction and the light in the end of lvm :) |
| 17:18.48 | PerfDave | ariel: As we already said, you want to look at your X configuration. |
| 17:19.03 | nvz | calling /msg and /query, pms is a bit misleading |
| 17:19.04 | jcorgan | sobersabre: so what userspace thinks the ioctl number is and what lvm.c thinks the ioctl is are different |
| 17:19.06 | pipeline | ariel: The problem is that your video driver is extremely poor. You may need to get a new graphics card. |
| 17:19.14 | sobersabre | jcorgan, by the way, there are default ioctl calls for unimplemented ioctls :) |
| 17:19.22 | pipeline | PerfDave: he's got VIA Unichrome graphics, xv acceleration is a dead hope |
| 17:19.29 | dull404 | why doesnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, create a XF86.. config file in /etc ?? |
| 17:19.42 | dvs | pipeline: Why not change the video driver? ;-) |
| 17:19.44 | valdyn | !unichrome |
| 17:19.44 | dpkg | hmm... unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 17:19.45 | asg | dull404: did you manually edit yours or delete the one it originally created? |
| 17:19.48 | jcorgan | sobersabre: as much as i love linux/unix, it's problems like this that drive me batshit crazy |
| 17:19.58 | benjamindees | pipeline, aren't VIA the ones who keep their video card specs a secret? |
| 17:20.00 | pipeline | dull404: Because you edited the old one and it doesn't want to disturb your changes. You can force it to do so with "dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 17:20.03 | ariel | PerfDave: I took a look to my XF86Config-4 file but I think I chose the suitable setting there |
| 17:20.07 | PerfDave | pipeline: Apparenly it works in Ubuntu, or something. |
| 17:20.09 | sobersabre | jcorgan, you need to stay on stable for such things not to happen. |
| 17:20.09 | pipeline | benjamindees: I don't know, but unichrome graphics suck regardless. |
| 17:20.17 | PerfDave | ariel: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 17:20.25 | dull404 | asg, the one created with the install program was wrong so i deleted it.... |
| 17:20.30 | jcorgan | sobersabre: yeah, yeah, i know :) |
| 17:20.30 | benjamindees | they have a nice mpeg decoder chip on them that they won't release the specs for :( |
| 17:20.31 | ariel | pipeline: If so, I'm able to do it in the past |
| 17:20.40 | PerfDave | britt: Or use "/window prev" and "/window next" |
| 17:20.40 | asg | dull404: then follow the x md5sum factoid PerfDave gave you |
| 17:20.49 | pipeline | ariel: had you tried using unaccelerated video? |
| 17:20.51 | ariel | pipeline: if so, why I was able to do it in the past |
| 17:20.52 | nvz | benjamindees: in other words, its useless. |
| 17:20.55 | pipeline | ariel: e.g. Xshm or X11 instead of Xv |
| 17:21.07 | asg | dull404: the assumption dpkg-reconfigure makes is that if you delete it, you know what you are doing and it obeys your wishes to butt out. |
| 17:21.12 | jcorgan | sobresabre: well, anyway, it's progress. debian/testing works so well this is the first issue i've had, if it turns out to be the case |
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| 17:21.13 | sobersabre | jcorgan, and usually, if u upgrade userspace... it can be usefull to upgrade kernel space as well |
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| 17:21.41 | ariel | pipeline: no, how I could enable one of them?= |
| 17:21.45 | jcorgan | sobersabre: that's what i was trying to do, install a new kernel for lilo to boot from :) |
| 17:21.50 | valdyn | its supposed to work with that unichrome driver ( more or less ) with unichrome XvMC |
| 17:21.55 | dull404 | asg, lol... crap. now i used xf86cfg... and i got xdm started by default... eww... |
| 17:22.04 | asg | dull404: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:22.10 | asg | dull404: to take care of the xdm nonsense |
| 17:22.21 | sobersabre | jcorgan, u can boot a newer kernel without updating lilo.conf |
| 17:22.26 | kirchhoff | MrSpikey, my girl friend as formated an fat32 partition, and created a new one. however nothing was written to the new partition. in Windows with some software utilities i've already recovered some files. but how do i do it on linux? what would be the apropriate program? |
| 17:22.30 | pipeline | ariel: It depends on the video player. in vlc, you go to "settings -> preferences", put a check in the "advanced options" box, and look at the "video output modules" thing |
| 17:22.40 | valdyn | ariel: look at that website dpkg pointed to and prepare for a lot of work, or get a supported gfx interface |
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| 17:22.57 | jcorgan | sobersabre: yeah, i'll just pop a knoppix in there and have fun |
| 17:22.58 | sophacles | hi all. i just installed djbdns on my gateway/router box, and am having some problems with windows resolving. setup: intif has dnscache listening. lo has tinydns listening, being the nameserver for 310 private tld. linux boxen have no problem resolving say, www.310. windows boxen wont resolv it. anyone know a way to fix this? |
| 17:23.02 | dull404 | asg, everything was working fine this morning... then i tried something, and X got messed up, so this is the 3rd time im installing debian today :(( |
| 17:23.08 | PerfDave | ariel: Is this the same video you're trying to play in different players? It could be that the codec you have isn't very good. |
| 17:23.26 | asg | dull404: you don't need to reinstall, just follow a few simple instructions we give you. |
| 17:23.44 | sobersabre | jcorgan, why do u use lvm anyways ... is it a serious server, and u plan to add another 120 hard disks ? |
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| 17:23.59 | Pappa | isn't vlc verri cappy compared to mplayer? |
| 17:24.05 | takatumi | is it possible to get colorized text via ssh? eg. ls --color |
| 17:24.05 | Pappa | crappy* |
| 17:24.06 | asg | Pappa: in my experience, yes |
| 17:24.08 | PerfDave | Pappa: No. |
| 17:24.13 | benjamindees | Pappa, if you ask me |
| 17:24.15 | sobersabre | Pappa, not at all |
| 17:24.15 | asg | takatumi: yes, works fine here |
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| 17:24.30 | jcorgan | sobresabre: lvm is pretty convenient to monkey around with filesystem growth |
| 17:24.39 | takatumi | asg: any special switches or just plain ssh? |
| 17:24.41 | pipeline | Pappa: mplayers internal code is awful. Also, it has problems with a lot of files. |
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| 17:24.52 | Pappa | i tried vlc, seemed like "too much", it was slow, etc |
| 17:25.00 | jcorgan | sobresabre: it makes adding/removing drives, expanding partitions, etc., pretty transparent to everything else |
| 17:25.01 | PerfDave | Pappa: *boggle* |
| 17:25.01 | pipeline | Pappa: Hey, to each his own. |
| 17:25.05 | asg | takatumi: just plain, the problem is likely that the file that sets up the alias for ls='ls --color=auto' is probably not sourced. |
| 17:25.14 | ariel | PerfDave: video format no matters they work on the other computer, the problem appears when I attemp to play in fullscreen mode |
| 17:25.20 | pipeline | PerfDave, Pappa: It is my suspicion that folks around here consider anything with a GUI to be OMG BLOAT |
| 17:25.38 | pipeline | ariel: Listen carefully. |
| 17:25.40 | dull404 | asg, wich is the best for setting up X ? xf86cfg, xf86config, XFree86 -configure... or dpkg-reconf ? |
| 17:25.44 | pipeline | ariel: This is a problem with your video drivers. |
| 17:25.45 | takatumi | asg: thanks, will look around. its an obsd box. |
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| 17:25.51 | britt | when i use screen, how do i prevent my backspace key from turning into a delete key? |
| 17:25.51 | pipeline | ariel: You can't fix it, you just have to work around it |
| 17:25.52 | asg | dull404: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:25.53 | ariel | pipeline: I'm listening |
| 17:25.53 | Pappa | pipeline: not at all.. i just thought there were too much options and i found it confusing. |
| 17:25.55 | PerfDave | ariel: Uhm, the fact taht they work on another computer and don't work on your Debian install might imply that the codec on the Debian install is problematic. But I'd sort out the video drivers first. |
| 17:25.59 | PerfDave | dull404: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:26.02 | jcorgan | sobresabre: well, gotta run, thanks for the help though, even if it's just moral support :) |
| 17:26.15 | sobersabre | :)) |
| 17:26.18 | asg | takatumi: well, check a) that it works at all in OpenBSD. b) check that the TERM is set correctly and OpenBSD understands it. |
| 17:26.19 | dull404 | asg, ok |
| 17:26.20 | sobersabre | good luck. |
| 17:26.27 | pipeline | ariel: There are no good drivers for your graphics card available right now. People are working on it, but until then, you'll either have to live with it, work around it, or use a better graphics card. |
| 17:26.31 | nvz | kirchhoff: well autopsy seems to be the closest thing |
| 17:26.34 | dull404 | PerfDave, arite.. will give it another try |
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| 17:26.41 | asg | takatumi: try export TERM=vt100 (to be sure), TERM=linux may not be understood. |
| 17:26.49 | asg | shit |
| 17:26.51 | asg | !lart work |
| 17:26.52 | britt | when i use screen, how do i prevent my backspace key from turning into a delete key? |
| 17:26.58 | ariel | PerfDave: I'm sure that problem resides on the video driver |
| 17:26.59 | kirchhoff | nvz : can you give me any links about this matter? |
| 17:27.09 | sobersabre | asg, which shell do u use on obsd ? |
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| 17:27.11 | valdyn | theres readily patched debian packages available for unichrome chipsets, i have however no idea of their quality or usefulness for your purpose |
| 17:27.13 | PerfDave | ariel: Well, fix that. If that doesn't work, look at the codec. |
| 17:27.18 | jimloft | how come the apps i get from apt-get in testing are old!, i thought testing was the new stuff! |
| 17:27.30 | benjamindees | jimloft, no |
| 17:27.36 | pipeline | jimloft: "new" is relative. |
| 17:27.38 | kirchhoff | nvz : coz i can't find anything... |
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| 17:27.39 | benjamindees | jimloft, it's the next stable release |
| 17:27.44 | sobersabre | ariel, which video driver in the xine engine have you chosen ? |
| 17:27.44 | Pappa | pipeline: plus, you have to use the mouse to navigate, which is bad since i prefer having my mouse on :0.0 instead of :0.1 (my tv..) |
| 17:27.50 | PerfDave | jimloft: What is "old" in Sarge? |
| 17:27.54 | pipeline | jimloft: Don't fall prey to the dreaded "gentoo-itis", the obsession with ever-higher version numbers |
| 17:27.54 | benjamindees | jimloft, "unstable" is the new stuff |
| 17:27.57 | britt | PerfDave: agree |
| 17:27.57 | ariel | pipeline: you're right, I googled it and I read the same |
| 17:28.17 | nvz | kirchhoff: nope, use fucking windows and commercial software :P otherwise install autopsy and sleuthkit |
| 17:28.17 | PerfDave | jimloft: testing and unstable have near-identical versions of stuff, most of which is very recent. |
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| 17:28.31 | britt | bye people |
| 17:28.38 | nvz | kirchhoff: don't let your girlfriends delete stuff you want |
| 17:28.49 | nvz | kirchhoff: dont't store important files on fat |
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| 17:29.05 | nvz | make backups.. blah blah blah |
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| 17:29.31 | benjamindees | how can people look at a release system with three branches, pick the one in the middle, and assume it's going to be the newest... |
| 17:29.32 | pipeline | autopsy should be the name of the msdosfs tools package |
| 17:29.32 | ariel | PerfDave: that is the problem, I don't know how to fix it |
| 17:29.43 | Pappa | btw, xv is better than opengl for vieo, right? |
| 17:29.49 | pipeline | Pappa: It might, it might not. |
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| 17:30.05 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Uhm, it's the newest that anybody should run. |
| 17:30.07 | Pappa | pipeline: with an nvidia card |
| 17:30.08 | pipeline | Pappa: on some drivers, Xv is more problematic than raw X11 blitting |
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| 17:30.19 | Pappa | at least scaling looks much better with xv |
| 17:30.32 | benjamindees | PerfDave, I don't presume to tell the ricers what they should run :) |
| 17:30.33 | zinx | Pappa: use whichever you like better |
| 17:30.38 | kirchhoff | nvz: lol, it is an external usb drive she connetcs at her notebook. she tried to install windows alone, and formated the external drive :D |
| 17:30.59 | PerfDave | benjamindees: If people want to use Debian, I'll encourage them to use the branch best suited for their purpose, which is either Stable or Testing. |
| 17:31.02 | zinx | Pappa: they're probably consume about the same amount of resources |
| 17:31.05 | zinx | erh, s/'re// |
| 17:31.10 | nvz | kirchhoff: and what makes you think you can recover files from this device? |
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| 17:31.43 | nvz | kirchhoff: I dont figure the properties of flash media to be the same as magnetic storage |
| 17:32.02 | benjamindees | PerfDave, well, I tend to give people what they ask for; you ask for "the new stuff", you get pointed to Experimental |
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| 17:32.25 | spoof | oh, valdyn pci=routeirq doesn't help me :/ |
| 17:32.26 | kirchhoff | nvz: coz i've already recovered some files with windows software utilities; but was wonderind how to do it on linux |
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| 17:32.45 | PerfDave | benjamindees: So you encourage people to use software which will fuck their system and they won't know how to fix? That's nice of you. Giving Debian a bad rep for stability and usability is very helpful. |
| 17:32.46 | pipeline | nvz, kirchhoff: well, actually, flash media should be recoverable in the same way. |
| 17:33.11 | slept | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.13 | nvz | kirchhoff: all there is in debian that can read fat is sleuthkit and the autopsy frontend |
| 17:33.15 | pipeline | benjamindees: I agree, that's either a moronic or totally disingenuous suggestion. Either way, you shouldn't be making it. |
| 17:33.18 | benjamindees | PerfDave, I'm giving Debian a rep for giving people what they want, "universal OS" and all that |
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| 17:33.39 | PerfDave | benjamindees: No, you're giving people what they ask for in a stupidly literal way, not what they actually want. |
| 17:33.40 | kirchhoff | nvz: ohhh it isn't flash memory. it's one of those maxtor 80GB usb external HD |
| 17:33.48 | pipeline | benjamindees: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=disingenuous |
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| 17:34.15 | PerfDave | benjamindees: When somebody says "I want new software", they don't mean "I want to run spurting-edge pre-alpha software with a serious risk of fucking my entire system". |
| 17:34.24 | lizsac | there an easy way to get perl 5.8 on an old woody system? |
| 17:34.34 | nvz | kirchhoff: in any case, she's a bad girl, you should spank her. |
| 17:34.41 | PerfDave | lizsac: Hand-compile it into /usr/local, call /usr/local/bin/perl in your Perl scripts. |
| 17:34.42 | dvs | lizsac: Have you looked at backports.org? |
| 17:34.54 | lizsac | without hand compiling it :) |
| 17:34.57 | lizsac | on a 200mhz mac |
| 17:35.00 | kirchhoff | nvz, pipeline : tkx. i'm going to intall the apps. |
| 17:35.02 | PerfDave | lizsac: That's the easiest way. |
| 17:35.03 | lizsac | that would take half a day or something |
| 17:35.04 | kirchhoff | nvz, lol |
| 17:35.05 | lizsac | hrmm |
| 17:35.07 | lizsac | i see |
| 17:35.09 | lizsac | no packages? |
| 17:35.12 | Raf256 | what was that name of tool to managa rc? |
| 17:35.14 | lizsac | i can't apt-get it in? |
| 17:35.17 | benjamindees | PerfDave, mmm, hmm, so I should point him to Gentoo next time? |
| 17:35.21 | Raf256 | to set what services whill be executed |
| 17:35.21 | dvs | Raf256: update-rc.d |
| 17:35.25 | Raf256 | small ncurses applicaiton |
| 17:35.36 | kirchhoff | nvz, not a case for doing that, coz it is her drive, not mine! :D |
| 17:35.37 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Now you're just trolling. |
| 17:35.49 | lizsac | yeah i'm just trying to get this script to work i can wait hours if need be, but if i don't have to that would be nice |
| 17:35.57 | lizsac | trying to find an alternative to hand building |
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| 17:35.59 | benjamindees | it's your choice; have an OS that gives people what they want, or lose users to distros that do... |
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| 17:36.20 | valdyn | !gentoosmite benjamindees |
| 17:36.26 | Pappa | rolling-release would be the best option |
| 17:36.32 | PerfDave | benjamindees: Debian gives people what they want, you fucktard. *YOU* are not giving people what they want. You are being obstructive, unhelpful and damaging to Debian. Please fuck off. |
| 17:36.39 | benjamindees | I don't run Gentoo; I've never even seen it running |
| 17:36.58 | lizsac | i ran gentoo for a year or 2 |
| 17:37.19 | Pappa | i've run gentoo many times, works fine at first then slowly fucks itself up. |
| 17:37.20 | Quinn_Storm | I tried gentoo once....stopped about 5% in when I realized it was gonna take days to get the system up, and ran back to debian |
| 17:37.20 | lizsac | you can get gentoo to behave exactly as debian |
| 17:37.26 | lizsac | it's all linux |
| 17:37.39 | lizsac | linsux hohoho |
| 17:38.07 | redduck666 | in my 2.4.27 kernel my internet works, in debian 2.6.8 it doesn't. i suspect it is because of my ethernet card being unrecgognized. is there any way to see what hardware is availibe for use? |
| 17:38.12 | lizsac | though why get it to be like debian when you can just run debian? |
| 17:38.15 | PerfDave | I ran Gentoo for about a week. Very little worked, the "support" "community" was full of unhelpful morons, and there was no QA. |
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| 17:38.19 | dvs | !worked in 2.4 |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 17:38.28 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 17:38.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:38.33 | lizsac | sometimes that emerge will get broken though ... |
| 17:38.36 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: try lspci |
| 17:38.42 | nvz | kirchhoff: gah, I see who wears the pants there.. |
| 17:38.46 | pipeline | !advocacy troll |
| 17:38.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to ... |
| 17:38.50 | dvs | redduck666: Do you know what network driver you were using in 2.4? |
| 17:38.57 | kirchhoff | nvz :lol |
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| 17:39.09 | redduck666 | dvs, i think 8139too |
| 17:39.15 | PerfDave | redduck666: What is your "internet" that was working in 2.4? How did you install a 2.6 kernel? What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:39.17 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, thanks will try that |
| 17:39.23 | dvs | redduck666: lspic | grep Eth |
| 17:39.28 | dvs | redduck666: lspci | grep Eth |
| 17:39.41 | Quinn_Storm | !spell dvs |
| 17:39.43 | dpkg | possible spellings for dvs: d's Des Dis DOS |
| 17:39.45 | kirchhoff | nvz: nahhh, coz after all she gave me something interesting to do with her hd. :D |
| 17:39.52 | Quinn_Storm | oh, lol, thought it would be a lart |
| 17:39.55 | jimloft | i heard the Debian installer was a complete biatch, but i found it just as easy as installing windows/any other linux distro... |
| 17:39.59 | nvz | I'd spank her anyway. she can only like it or not like it, either way shes commin after me |
| 17:40.12 | dvs | Quinn_Storm: It "dis"sed you ;-) |
| 17:40.19 | Quinn_Storm | the new(sarge/sid) installer is quite nice for the most part |
| 17:40.22 | redduck666 | PerfDave, i'm on cable connected via ethernet, i'm using sarge and i installed new kernel with apt-get |
| 17:40.25 | Quinn_Storm | dvs: :-P |
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| 17:40.42 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: my guess is you don't have the driver loaded just like you thought. do you have discover installed? |
| 17:40.48 | benjamindees | pipeline, this isn't unreasonable, it's making use of all three (four?) branches of Debian instead of just two |
| 17:40.53 | De_Mon | benjamindees so basically just tell people what exactly 'experimental' means next time? |
| 17:41.02 | PerfDave | redduck666: Did you install Sarge directly, or dist-upgrade from Woody? |
| 17:41.08 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, according to lsmod 8139too is loaded |
| 17:41.17 | pipeline | benjamindees: experimental isn't a branch unto itself. |
| 17:41.20 | Pappa | windows is still using their old-fashioned installer, i'd say any friendly distro is easier to install than windows |
| 17:41.21 | benjamindees | De_Mon, I didn't actually point anyone to Experimental; and anyone who speaks English can figure out what it means |
| 17:41.26 | PerfDave | redduck666: Does your network card show up in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 17:41.29 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: what happens when you do an ifconfig -a? |
| 17:41.33 | pipeline | benjamindees: Packages marked with the "experimental" release tag aren't even at a centralized depository. |
| 17:41.38 | redduck666 | PerfDave, directly, but i did do dist-upgrade in it, so it means that i have sid now? |
| 17:41.43 | benjamindees | unfortunately, though, "Testing" means the same thing as "Experimental" in English |
| 17:42.14 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: no, dist-upgrade just means make sure there are no dependancy problems during the update |
| 17:42.19 | nvz | benjamindees: they are different parts of speach |
| 17:42.23 | nvz | speech even |
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| 17:43.00 | PerfDave | redduck666: Only if you put "sid" or "unstable" in your sources.list |
| 17:43.12 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, to see what happens if i do ifconfig -a i got to reboot in 2.6.8, does it give you any info if i post what happens if i do ifconfig only? |
| 17:43.16 | Pappa | testing does not mean experimantal. i'd say there's a slight difference between a test and an experiment. |
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| 17:43.32 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: it won't help unless its from the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:43.39 | valdyn | those 2 terms refer to completely different things in debian |
| 17:43.44 | raboof | doh. i suddenly realize why firefox crashes on startup. |
| 17:43.48 | Putiikki | my boot script won't work: when booting, it won't start, but when i change runlevel with telinit, it starts. where is problem? |
| 17:43.50 | raboof | /home is full :S |
| 17:43.52 | nvz | benjamindees: one is a verb and the other is an adjective |
| 17:43.53 | valdyn | and they could bloody well be the same words |
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| 17:44.40 | benjamindees | nvz, :p |
| 17:44.43 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, few hours ago i did ifconfig in 2.6.8 and saved it into a text file. if i now post it on pastebin will you be albe to narow the choice of posible causes? |
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| 17:45.05 | nvz | benjamindees: besides an experiment is a type of test, conducted under controlled conditions |
| 17:45.14 | Raf256 | so what was that small, ncurses tool, that shows list of like apache, mysql, php and other deamons, ane lets choose with are to be run at system boot..? |
| 17:45.16 | PerfDave | redduck666: Why do you have to reboot to do "ifconfig -a"? |
| 17:45.21 | benjamindees | nvz, good, it's more backwards than I had imagined... |
| 17:45.23 | nvz | benjamindees: to demonstrate a known truth |
| 17:45.29 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: yeah probably |
| 17:45.38 | kirchhoff | nvz, what about test disk? do you know this app? |
| 17:45.44 | kbrooks | j/k |
| 17:46.09 | nvz | kirchhoff: I looked at it earlier. it seems to be similar to gpart, which is to recover lost partitions |
| 17:46.10 | benjamindees | nvz, that sounds like you're describing "backports" though |
| 17:46.16 | kbrooks | PerfDave: he is in a diff kernel |
| 17:46.25 | nvz | kirchhoff: sounds to me like she just created a new filesystem, and didnt loose any partitions |
| 17:46.39 | kbrooks | PerfDave: he needs to reboot to 2.6.8 |
| 17:46.43 | nvz | kirchhoff: If I were you I'd just spank her and run to the bedroom :P |
| 17:46.56 | Quinn_Storm | I wish he hadn't repooted, the ifconfig text file might have helped but I was on the phone |
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| 17:47.13 | kbrooks | at least thats my interpretation |
| 17:47.17 | DeadMan | hi all |
| 17:47.22 | Quinn_Storm | kbrooks: you're right |
| 17:47.33 | kirchhoff | nvz, so what is actually a los partition? |
| 17:47.36 | nvz | benjamindees: *shrug* its not my place to consider these things |
| 17:48.09 | nvz | kirchhoff: a lost partition is when your partitiontable is fucked and you cant access the drive at all anymore, like when you put bad params into dd or something |
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| 17:48.22 | benjamindees | sounds more like Debian has four branches, Stable, Stable-Testing, Devel, and Devel-Testing |
| 17:48.34 | pipeline | benjamindees: Not at all. |
| 17:48.40 | DeadMan | i installed an Epson prints under cups and i can print anything as root using "lp -s -dStylus-Photo-820 -oraw somefile". I can also print from Gimp using a plug-in. But i cant print from gedit or abiroword or anywhere else.. any clue why it dosent work? |
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| 17:48.52 | michael | how do i change the mousepointer speed in X? |
| 17:48.54 | pipeline | benjamindees: Packages in "experimental" aren't intended to get very much testing. |
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| 17:49.05 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, "experimental" packages often don't even work right |
| 17:49.06 | benjamindees | pipeline, so what's wrong with suggesting Unstable to users then? |
| 17:49.09 | nvz | kirchhoff: I wouldnt put fat on a drive, nor would I put important files on fat, so I dont know.. only thing I use fat for is my tumbdrive and itsd 256mb of temporary removable storage |
| 17:49.18 | jimloft | will apt-get upgrade keep my system up to date with security patchs ? |
| 17:49.19 | pipeline | michael: gnome-mouse-properties |
| 17:49.27 | dvs | DeadMan: cupsys-bsd |
| 17:49.34 | michael | pientra: in X, not in gnome |
| 17:49.37 | pipeline | benjamindees: With a stern warning, nothing. You should still install sarge first, however, as sid installers are frequently broken. |
| 17:49.44 | Raf256 | what graphical or ncurses appllication can I use to set RC - with deamons will be run at bootup? |
| 17:49.45 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: 'unstable' packages are at least assured for the most part to install and work, sometimes 'experimental' doesn't even work sometimes. |
| 17:49.46 | pipeline | michael: X without gnome? Heresy. |
| 17:49.59 | Quinn_Storm | lol, delete one sometimes. (dord error) |
| 17:50.30 | kirchhoff | nvz, ahhh. yeahh! so in this case it as only a new partition table, is that? |
| 17:51.06 | kirchhoff | nvz, i don't use fat |
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| 17:51.59 | pipeline | kirchhoff: Are you trying to share data between linux and windows? |
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| 17:52.58 | kirchhoff | pipeline, no! this as nothing to do with my system. i just want to recover a deleted partition on an external hd |
| 17:53.30 | ariel | pipeline: what is the best video card full supported by linux? |
| 17:54.00 | dvs | ariel: ATI Radeon up to 9200. |
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| 17:54.23 | benjamindees | ariel, what dvs said |
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| 17:54.25 | ariel | dvs: really? |
| 17:54.30 | dvs | ariel: yup |
| 17:54.32 | nvz | kirchhoff: I have no idea, I lost sight of any real hope on the issue, when you mentioned the girlfriend who needs spanked :P |
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| 17:54.35 | jimloft | my 9700pro works quite nice under X |
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| 17:54.47 | dvs | ariel: Older Nvidia's (not sure which models) |
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| 17:55.05 | kirchhoff | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.29 | ariel | dvs: G force 64? |
| 17:55.32 | kirchhoff | nvz, well i'm going to take a beer and think about that matter!!! |
| 17:55.40 | dvs | ariel: Not sure |
| 17:56.02 | nvz | kirchhoff: its a win-win situation.. she likes it, and takles you to the ground, or she gets mad, and tackles you to the ground |
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| 17:59.06 | nvz | heh, I am going to get cleaned up while I am waiting for my clothes to dry.. instead of sitting here instigating a brawl |
| 17:59.24 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 17:59.52 | redduck666 | in my 2.4.27 kernel internet worked fine, now after installing 2.6.8 via apt-get it doesn't (yes i do know gerycat should be given 25 cents). i suspect my ethernet card doesn't work properly. http://www.pastebin.com/263023 any help appriciated |
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| 18:00.50 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: I'm still here |
| 18:01.00 | redduck666 | cool |
| 18:01.16 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: wish you were able to get on the net with 2.6.8 up...I'd love to see what route has to say since it appears eth0 has connectivity |
| 18:01.35 | redduck666 | you mean to execute route -n? |
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| 18:01.42 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: with 2.4.27 do you get the same IP address? (213.143.87.135) |
| 18:01.44 | benjamindees | redduck666, looks like it should be working; ping something and post the output of ifconfig eth0 again |
| 18:01.54 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: yeah route -n or just route even |
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| 18:02.39 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: he has to reboot to 2.6.8 to do any tests, so we're trying to figure it out with minimal reboots |
| 18:02.45 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/263025 my route -n |
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| 18:02.53 | redduck666 | and i can't ping anything |
| 18:02.56 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: under 2.6.8 right? |
| 18:03.03 | redduck666 | yup |
| 18:03.20 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: well its pretty obvious, you aren't getting a gateway assigned |
| 18:03.22 | benjamindees | redduck666, okay, well when you reboot and try pinging things, make sure you're not getting errors in the ifconfig output |
| 18:03.27 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: the gateway is listed as 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:03.41 | benjamindees | redduck666, nevermind, ignore me |
| 18:03.57 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: nevermind, ignore me |
| 18:04.03 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: I misread it |
| 18:04.42 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, i thought that in my /etc/network/interface asigned a correct gateway and broadcast ip |
| 18:04.45 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: that is really bizarre...your routing table and ifconfig say you should have connectivity. are you statically configged or do you use dhcp? |
| 18:04.55 | benjamindees | try pinging something other than your gateway |
| 18:05.06 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, my ip is static |
| 18:05.25 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: well it could be falsely reporting a connection then since it doesn't have to come all the way up to assign anything |
| 18:05.48 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: it sounds like your card and the driver in 2.6.8 don't get along |
| 18:06.13 | benjamindees | the output of ifconfig after sending a few packets would still be interesting |
| 18:06.13 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, don't know if this is gonna help but before i configured my network i used dhclient to connect to internet. once i sorted things at /etc/network/interfaces i connect to internet as soon as i boot in 2.4.27 |
| 18:06.56 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: well why not switch your interface back to dhcp? see what happens? just do "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:07.01 | redduck666 | benjamindees, if i got it correctly i need to ping something, than do ifconfig and than post that here? |
| 18:07.16 | benjamindees | try pinging 194.109.137.218 |
| 18:07.42 | benjamindees | yes, if it's working correctly the packet counts should go up |
| 18:08.08 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: also try like I said putting the interface back to dhcp |
| 18:08.33 | benjamindees | and gateways don't always respond to pings, which is why I suggest pinging some other ip |
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| 18:08.55 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: host unreachable isn't a non-response |
| 18:08.59 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, before i configured my network i tryed to connect to internet in tryed execute dhclient (network configuration file was empty), is that the same as what you suggested? |
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| 18:09.16 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: yeah it should execute dhclient or pump or whatever automagically |
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| 18:09.55 | redduck666 | benjamindees, after trying to ping that ip should i execute ifconfig or ifconfig -a? |
| 18:10.04 | dvs | redduck666: yes |
| 18:10.21 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: if you ping something that doesn't reply, you just get timeouts |
| 18:10.25 | redduck666 | dvs, es to what? |
| 18:10.26 | benjamindees | redduck666, ifconfig eth0 should be sufficient, but it's all the same |
| 18:10.35 | dvs | redduck666: Doesn't matter either will work |
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| 18:10.52 | benjamindees | Quinn_Storm, can't you silently drop icmp ? |
| 18:10.55 | redduck666 | thanks |
| 18:11.04 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: yeah you can but you still just get timeouts |
| 18:11.16 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: unreachable happens when the system can't figure out an outgoing route |
| 18:11.21 | Iwrite | I have a couple of initial config questions. First, what's my legal "albatross," if I use non-US software? |
| 18:11.28 | benjamindees | oh, he got unreachable, I get it |
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| 18:12.18 | Quinn_Storm | benjamindees: so something is wrong with either his routing (looks fine) or, thus, his ethernet driver |
| 18:12.23 | benjamindees | Iwrite, you -> Gitmo |
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| 18:12.53 | benjamindees | Quinn_Storm, odd |
| 18:13.09 | dvs | Iwrite: Nothing. You cannot get non-US software from a server in the US (which there are none for Debian) |
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| 18:13.22 | kirchhoff | nvz, by the way wich software would you use in windows? |
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| 18:14.13 | helix | wtf |
| 18:14.20 | valdyn | Iwrite: none, except you are not allowed to _export_ non-us software from the us |
| 18:14.29 | benjamindees | Iwrite, isn't it grand, we can import whatever we want, but can't export software that the rest of the world already has :) |
| 18:15.13 | Pappa | this is so cool, i've know python for like a week and i'm beginning do do some useful stuff |
| 18:15.18 | Pappa | if only C was this easy |
| 18:15.21 | nvz | kirchhoff: you see, computers are like air conditioners ... |
| 18:15.30 | dvs | ??? |
| 18:15.33 | nvz | kirchhoff: ... when you open windows, they don't really work anymore |
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| 18:15.51 | nvz | kirchhoff: so I have no idea, I've been using linux only for over 5 years |
| 18:16.06 | Pappa | no gnu tools? wow you da man |
| 18:16.06 | benjamindees | Pappa, can you write an app that will install Grub from Windows? |
| 18:16.16 | Pappa | benjamindees: no. |
| 18:16.23 | Pappa | benjamindees: why do that? |
| 18:16.39 | benjamindees | Pappa, installation path redundancy |
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| 18:17.20 | valdyn | Iwrite: oh, there might be no legal restriction(s) at all now, since law changed since woody was released |
| 18:18.16 | Iwrite | benjamindees: You're preaching to the choir. (Author-in-progress of "My Government, My Enema."):^) |
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| 18:18.28 | asuffield | benjamindees: you can install grub from a floppy, so what would be the point? |
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| 18:19.25 | benjamindees | asuffield, hmm... didn't think of that |
| 18:19.32 | Xenguy | [OT] Does anyone have any "top-quoting sucks" rants/URLs handy? It will save me from having to re-invent the wheel :P |
| 18:20.16 | benjamindees | !advocacy troll |
| 18:20.16 | dpkg | from memory, advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 18:20.30 | benjamindees | :p |
| 18:20.44 | nvz | it seems like they should have invented a quicker way to dry clothes by now |
| 18:21.06 | benjamindees | imagine a Beowulf cluster of clothes driers |
| 18:21.06 | helix | Xenguy: there are lots on google |
| 18:21.17 | asuffield | top quoting is horrible, but top posting is far worse |
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| 18:21.38 | Pappa | benjamindees: a beowult cluster of lawn mowers.. power. |
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| 18:21.44 | Pappa | beowulf* |
| 18:21.52 | asuffield | enough power to open a window |
| 18:22.35 | benjamindees | Pappa, I spent a couple of hours last week trying to find a PTO transfer case for my Jeep, so I could pull a mower behind it :) |
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| 18:22.55 | Xenguy | Tx helix |
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| 18:23.56 | redduck666 | hi, its me again http://www.pastebin.com/263033 |
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| 18:24.34 | dvs | redduck666: It sent no bytes! |
| 18:24.48 | nvz | Xenguy: last I checked it was Fl not Tx |
| 18:24.48 | redduck666 | dvs, what does that mean? |
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| 18:25.58 | Xenguy | nvz: spelling nazis go to /dev/null my friend :-) |
| 18:26.08 | dvs | redduck666: Something is messed up! ;-) The packets aren't even leaving your machine. |
| 18:26.10 | benjamindees | redduck666, perhaps that 0.0.0.0 gateway entry is the problem |
| 18:26.41 | helix | it's raining here |
| 18:26.44 | helix | yay florida |
| 18:26.57 | dvs | benjamindees: No, my route is similar to redduck666 and my connection works. |
| 18:27.02 | simonrvn | sunny, 1C |
| 18:27.10 | nvz | Xenguy: thats more an act of profound laziness than mispelling |
| 18:27.11 | dvs | helix: sunny, 6C |
| 18:27.13 | simonrvn | balmy |
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| 18:27.32 | nvz | I got cloudy 44degF |
| 18:27.33 | benjamindees | dvs, mine is similar, but has * instead of 0.0.0.0 for the "gateway" to the gateway |
| 18:27.49 | emergo | I boughtmy first dvd rw plate the other day... I wrote once on it with k3b, but cant find how to delete it or format or what its called. |
| 18:27.54 | Xenguy | nvz: laziness is a virtue (check O'Reilly's SysAdmin Guide if you don't believe me) :P |
| 18:27.59 | Iwrite | I installed 2.2 kernel, to avoid "overloading" mobo. What's the easiest way to upgrade to 2.4 kernel? Reinstall? |
| 18:28.00 | nvz | oh, I guess I am unpopular, I didn convert to C |
| 18:28.02 | helix | 19°C, 4 mph ESE wind, RH 93% |
| 18:28.08 | helix | 93%! |
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| 18:28.12 | fabrizio | hi all |
| 18:28.13 | dvs | benjamindees: Oh? Like this: localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:28.22 | asuffield | helix: uhh, humidity? |
| 18:28.23 | cat | hi fabrizio |
| 18:28.24 | simonrvn | well it's raining =) |
| 18:28.27 | helix | yeah |
| 18:28.32 | pipeline | helix: I have 93% RH and it's 3°, count your blessings. |
| 18:28.33 | benjamindees | dvs, yup |
| 18:28.41 | dvs | benjamindees: Did you use the -n option like redduck666 did? |
| 18:28.44 | cat | Iwrite: by apt-get install kernel-image |
| 18:28.49 | fabrizio | is there any software for share file between 2 pc in ethernet? |
| 18:28.50 | helix | pipeline: where are you? |
| 18:28.51 | redduck666 | benjamindees, http://www.pastebin.com/263038 <-- my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:28.56 | asuffield | helix: did you get lost and visit Phated or something? that's not weather, that's a fish tank |
| 18:28.59 | pipeline | helix: central indiana. |
| 18:29.01 | benjamindees | dvs, oops |
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| 18:29.07 | dvs | benjamindees: ;-) |
| 18:29.08 | pipeline | helix: This is the warmest its been in weeks. |
| 18:29.09 | jimloft | fabrizio: ftp |
| 18:29.14 | helix | asuffield: florida dude. it stays above 90% all summer, but it's barely spring... |
| 18:29.19 | Putiikki | where is init's log? |
| 18:29.23 | sugarmice | fabrizio: ftp, or scp, or samba, or NFS, or... |
| 18:29.27 | asuffield | what a stupid country |
| 18:29.36 | helix | we have central heat and air though :) |
| 18:29.37 | xoz | no wonder florida has many nude beaches |
| 18:29.45 | pipeline | Florida has nude beaches? |
| 18:29.47 | helix | I'm really surprised more people don't get summer SAD here |
| 18:29.49 | helix | yeah |
| 18:30.02 | pipeline | The only things I've seen in Florida are old people, people tanned all to leather, and lizards. |
| 18:30.06 | pipeline | Lots of freaking lizards. |
| 18:30.16 | helix | we have lizards all over :) |
| 18:30.27 | asuffield | I presume helix is filed under "lizards" |
| 18:30.34 | pipeline | As one snarky sob put it, Florida is the GOP's "permanent vegetative state" |
| 18:30.43 | helix | maybe I should get my tongue split |
| 18:30.45 | nvz | I never seen 'lizards' per se when I was in FL, I seen many small salamanders around the condo |
| 18:30.47 | dvs | helix: It the "ferocious" air in Florida that I'm worried about ;-) |
| 18:30.55 | helix | ferocious air? |
| 18:31.03 | dvs | helix: hurricanes. |
| 18:31.05 | benjamindees | redduck666, I can find no fault in your config; did you recompile your kernel or something? |
| 18:31.07 | helix | ok |
| 18:31.17 | helix | oh crap, I hope we don't get that many this year |
| 18:31.20 | Iwrite | cat: apt-get install kernel-image _2.4_? |
| 18:31.29 | benjamindees | redduck666, manually I mean instead of using the standard image |
| 18:31.31 | cat | Iwrite: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:31.35 | cat | and see the 2.4 name |
| 18:31.36 | asuffield | oh hey, new series of doctor who |
| 18:31.38 | redduck666 | benjamindees, the only thing i did was to use apt-get to download new kernel |
| 18:31.46 | asuffield | almost enough to get me to watch TV |
| 18:32.04 | Pappa | god damnit my friend brought a 1987' volvo 240 drivers seat.. GT4 time |
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| 18:32.23 | somiaj | morning all |
| 18:32.29 | asuffield | some idiot cast Billie Piper as the sidekick though, so I'm not really hopeful |
| 18:32.30 | helix | woo, reggae |
| 18:32.58 | jimloft | is that on tonight ? |
| 18:32.59 | dvs | redduck666: Did you install module-init-tools too? |
| 18:33.09 | asuffield | in about 20 minutes |
| 18:33.16 | nvz | bah, I could have sold him a seat out of my 1990 Volvo 760 GLE, they are electric, heated, and leather |
| 18:33.22 | redduck666 | dvs, afaik no |
| 18:33.24 | asuffield | I'll just get it off the 'net later |
| 18:33.28 | sugarmice | Billie isn't as bad as I thought she would be |
| 18:33.29 | dvs | !smite redduck666 |
| 18:33.38 | Pappa | nvz: .... meh. |
| 18:33.39 | helix | she has many topless pics on google |
| 18:33.44 | helix | blondes aren't hot though |
| 18:33.50 | jimloft | !? |
| 18:34.02 | redduck666 | dvs, apt-get says there is already the newsest version |
| 18:34.17 | dvs | redduck666: So it is installed? |
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| 18:34.52 | tony | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.57 | redduck666 | dvs, i think so http://www.pastebin.com/263040 |
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| 18:35.06 | colde89 | i get alway a memory-grab-error when i compile my kernel, is there somesthing i can do? |
| 18:35.11 | nvz | unless I come up with a better plan soon, I am going to wv next weekend and tearing my car into small pieces and selling them on Ebay |
| 18:35.13 | fibept | anyone use foobar2000 in windows? |
| 18:35.14 | dvs | redduck666: It is. |
| 18:35.16 | caphuso | the %(test.true.false) prompt expansion |
| 18:35.17 | asuffield | she's a Britney clone. and she is not at all attractive. and rather dim. |
| 18:35.23 | fibept | i am looking for a good music player in linux |
| 18:35.23 | drac | Is there SKYPE for Linux, perhaps even Debian Packages? |
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| 18:35.38 | helix | drac: check skype's website |
| 18:35.39 | Quinn_Storm | drac: apt-get.org |
| 18:35.42 | dvs | redduck666: I'm out of ideas. |
| 18:35.43 | tony | fibept, try beep-media-player |
| 18:35.44 | redduck666 | drac, there is skype for linux! |
| 18:35.47 | sugarmice | asuffield: Yes, but that's rather the point, isn't it? |
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| 18:35.51 | asuffield | drac: skype is proprietary crap. so go bother them |
| 18:35.54 | Putiikki | fibept: what about xmms? |
| 18:35.59 | redduck666 | dvs, :( |
| 18:36.05 | tony | fibept, or rythmbox |
| 18:36.10 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: any particular reason you need a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:36.19 | fibept | Putiikki: i am using that now, its okay, but limitted, no tabs, etc... |
| 18:36.25 | fibept | tony: thanks ill check those out right now |
| 18:36.26 | sugarmice | drac: Skype is available for Linux, but it'll never be in Debian because it's not free |
| 18:36.27 | Putiikki | ok |
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| 18:36.37 | nvz | xmms is multimedia keyboard friendly |
| 18:36.42 | sugarmice | drac: In the "beer" sense, that is |
| 18:36.50 | tony | fibept, np |
| 18:36.54 | redduck666 | Quinn_Storm, i'm having troubles with my sound so someone few days ago said or install alsa or install new kernel, i prefered the later |
| 18:36.55 | Quinn_Storm | sugarmice: you mean the "freedom" sense |
| 18:36.58 | sugarmice | drac: "speech" I mean. Duh. |
| 18:37.09 | asuffield | no, skype is not free beer either |
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| 18:37.12 | asuffield | you pay for calls |
| 18:37.13 | Quinn_Storm | redduck666: both involve installing alsa. (new kernel uses alsa by default) |
| 18:37.18 | cat | redduck666: what sound card is it? |
| 18:37.22 | Quinn_Storm | asuffield: it is free as beer if you only do skype-skype calls |
| 18:37.31 | sugarmice | asuffield: Only if you're calling a phone, not another Skype user |
| 18:37.45 | asuffield | Quinn_Storm: where would be the point in that? you can just use free software |
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| 18:37.57 | sugarmice | And it's a very cheap way to make international calls. I use Skype quite often |
| 18:37.57 | asuffield | there are many perfectly adequete internet telephony packages in Debian |
| 18:37.58 | Quinn_Storm | asuffield: the point is the advertising & centralized directory really |
| 18:38.12 | drac | Hmm. That was question that raised some opinions. But anyway, thanks. Checking apt-get.org and skype homepage. |
| 18:38.13 | helix | asuffield: which ones are good? |
| 18:38.23 | sugarmice | asuffield: That can make calls to real phones? |
| 18:38.36 | nvz | sugarmice: vonage is a very cheap way to make calls. and you can use a regular phone to do voip |
| 18:38.39 | redduck666 | cat, my soundcard was working than i screwed something up (i think by doing alsa-config |
| 18:38.47 | asuffield | sugarmice: finding somebody to sell you that service is your own problem. google should turn up dozens |
| 18:38.58 | cat | redduck666: did you do adduser user audio ? |
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| 18:39.10 | asuffield | helix: linphone is tolerable as a softphone. asterisk for PaBX and routing services |
| 18:39.16 | tony | vonage has problems .. like it doesnt allow 911 call |
| 18:39.20 | helix | sugarmice: I think his point was that making skype-skype calls is pointless with skype since other stuff exists |
| 18:39.31 | asuffield | asterisk with hardphones is better |
| 18:39.35 | helix | though I guess the issue is getting other people to use non-skype software? |
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| 18:40.06 | asuffield | helix: windows has included a voip application since about 1996 |
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| 18:40.11 | asuffield | helix: they have no excuse |
| 18:40.16 | sugarmice | helix: True, but I have enough different communication methods already - I like having everything in one place, otherwise I just waste time polling all the ways people might contact me... |
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| 18:40.47 | nvz | thats why they invented gateways like bitlbee and such |
| 18:40.49 | helix | I only give people two options for contacting me |
| 18:40.53 | helix | that simplifies things |
| 18:40.56 | benjamindees | asuffield, you're giving them too much credit, was netmeeting really in windows 98? |
| 18:41.04 | helix | yeah it was |
| 18:41.09 | asuffield | benjamindees: yes, and it was in the plus pack for 95 |
| 18:41.12 | sugarmice | benjamindees: Yes - it's been around a long time |
| 18:41.19 | igraltist | hi |
| 18:41.23 | sevdan_bir_a | türkçe bilenler el kaldýrsýn bakim |
| 18:41.30 | sevdan_bir_a | türkçe bilenler el kaldýrsýn bakim |
| 18:41.39 | nvz | !turkish |
| 18:41.40 | dpkg | hmm... turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 18:41.42 | helix | well |
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| 18:42.08 | asuffield | helix: mine are "email me" or "come over to my house and ring the doorbell" |
| 18:42.09 | nvz | wild guess, I dont grok whatever that was |
| 18:42.15 | helix | heh |
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| 18:42.29 | helix | mine are 'email me' or 'call and leave a message' cause I never answer the phone |
| 18:42.39 | helix | though I guess some people can contact me on irc |
| 18:42.40 | benjamindees | once somebody creates a trustworthy micropayment system, P2P voip will be nice |
| 18:42.59 | Quinn_Storm | nvz: good guess btw, whois shows him/her from a .tr domain |
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| 18:43.17 | pipeline | benjamindees: In a word, when hell freezes over? |
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| 18:43.29 | sugarmice | Anyway, ObDebianQuestion: I'm getting rather confused by locales. I've never had to bother with them before, and I don't seem to be able to get any messages other than English. I've set LANG, LC_ALL and LANGUAGE to fr_FR (as a test) but I don't get any translations. I'm sure I've missed something obvious. |
| 18:43.29 | pipeline | benjamindees: Consumers fucking hate micropayments. It's hard to sell something that people actively avoid. |
| 18:43.36 | nvz | Quinn_Storm: you give me too much credit for thinking of stuff like that |
| 18:43.41 | Phated | asuffield: No, she lives somewhere even more humid than here. :) |
| 18:43.49 | pipeline | sugarmice: Tried setting the system-wide locale? |
| 18:43.52 | nvz | never crossed my mind |
| 18:44.13 | sugarmice | I thought the whole point was that individual users could set what they wanted? |
| 18:44.17 | benjamindees | pipeline, but even if it's just bartering, it'd be nice |
| 18:44.29 | helix | and I live on the coast |
| 18:44.31 | pipeline | sugarmice: Beats me, the locale system confuses the hell out of me. |
| 18:44.39 | asuffield | Phated: I wasn't aware that it was possible to supersaturate air outdoors |
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| 18:45.06 | Phated | asuffield: Apparently, it is. :) |
| 18:45.18 | helix | asuffield: the crappy part of being in such a humid climate is that trying to switch to a drier one basically causes me to shrivel up |
| 18:45.22 | helix | my skin can't handle it |
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| 18:45.23 | wilbertoki | I have been making some calculations on the speed of copying files with the tar untar method |
| 18:45.30 | xoz | sugarmice: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:45.37 | asuffield | helix: that must be entertaining to watch |
| 18:45.43 | helix | not really :/ |
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| 18:45.50 | helix | luckily: moisturizer! |
| 18:45.51 | Phated | helix: Maybe not for you. :) |
| 18:45.52 | Quinn_Storm | helix: lol, doesn't surprise me though, maybe I should move somewhere humid, my skin is always falling apart |
| 18:45.55 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, and... it's worthless right? |
| 18:46.01 | wilbertoki | my 9 gb home directory does tar cvvf /home at 1.2 megabytes per second |
| 18:46.05 | helix | it's actually really uncomfortable |
| 18:46.15 | helix | itchy skin, usually it peels too :( and wind burn etc |
| 18:46.19 | wilbertoki | but tar cvvf at only .45 megabytes per second |
| 18:46.19 | asuffield | buy better moisturiser, then |
| 18:46.30 | Quinn_Storm | helix: that does not sound like fun. |
| 18:46.38 | helix | it sucks |
| 18:46.50 | xoz | frogs, toads, flies, and mosquitos |
| 18:46.54 | wilbertoki | quinn_storm: fix your shower with a chlorine filter -- the chlorine in your tap water dries the hell out of skin |
| 18:46.55 | asuffield | wimp |
| 18:46.57 | sugarmice | Doh - I think I've just solved my own problem. Yup - dpkg-reconfigure locales was required. Should have thought of that much earlier. |
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| 18:47.12 | Quinn_Storm | wilbertoki: interesting thought, cool |
| 18:47.20 | xoz | sugarmice: install localepurge to save space |
| 18:47.24 | pipeline | sugarmice: uh, that would be setting the system-wide configuration, no? |
| 18:47.28 | nvz | whoo I |
| 18:47.31 | pipeline | sugarmice: Or did you just generate new locales, to make them available? |
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| 18:47.37 | nvz | ... pressed enter too soon |
| 18:47.42 | helix | Quinn_Storm: well, drink more water :) |
| 18:47.42 | Trev_ | Hi, I just setup a wireless router as an AP. I have a laptop running vncserver, when I attempt to run xvncviewer off of a workstation the viewer prompts me for password, authenticates.. then opens a black screen.. The firewall on the laptop has the vnc port 5900 opened for connections.. thoughts ? |
| 18:47.49 | colde89 | i get alway a memory-grab-error when i compile my kernel, is there somesthing i can do? |
| 18:47.50 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, and the difference is, the missing /home parameter? |
| 18:47.53 | wilbertoki | quinn_storm: its helped me a lot, I also keep my heat a bit lower and wear sweaters because our baseboard heating dries the air |
| 18:47.58 | sugarmice | pipeline: Not entirely - it also sets *which* locales are generated for the system, and that was what was critical, not what the default locale is. |
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| 18:47.59 | Quinn_Storm | helix: lol...I already go through far more than a normal person :-P |
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| 18:48.06 | helix | yeah :/ |
| 18:48.14 | nvz | Trev_: well 5900 is the wrong port is my first thought |
| 18:48.17 | pipeline | sugarmice: so yes :p |
| 18:48.24 | wilbertoki | benjamindees: the actual command is time tar xvvf home.tar |
| 18:48.27 | Quinn_Storm | wilbertoki: we just recently moved into a house w/ radiators that don't dry the air as much, but unfortunately even with the heat low b/c of my athlon, when the rest of the house is cold my room has a window open |
| 18:48.39 | nvz | Trev_: 5900 would be :0, the vnc port is 5900 + screen number |
| 18:48.45 | helix | we drink a lot of water here so we don't die of heat exhaustion; they drink water in the north so they don't turn into wrinkled sacks of flesh |
| 18:48.50 | Trev_ | nvz I was thinking that.. but I get authenticated yes ? Ahh.. |
| 18:49.06 | nvz | Trev_: no idea.. just throwing what I _do_ know out there |
| 18:49.10 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, oh, typo |
| 18:49.15 | xoz | camel likes florida |
| 18:49.16 | Quinn_Storm | lol, I go through far too much liquid myself, not usually water per se, but sugar-filled water-substitute, lol |
| 18:49.19 | asuffield | helix: how curious. we drink a lot of water so that we can look impressive at public urinals |
| 18:49.24 | wilbertoki | benjamindees: my point is that why is tar so slow/ shouldnt I get a lot faster than .45 megs a second , theres not even any compression used |
| 18:49.24 | helix | hahaha |
| 18:49.33 | Quinn_Storm | rofl@asuffield |
| 18:49.33 | nvz | heh |
| 18:49.40 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, so, you've found it's slower to write to multiple files on a Linux filesystem than to a tar file |
| 18:49.43 | igraltist | i have only one console tty1 but in /etc/inittab are more, what can id do for more because i must test something and one is to less |
| 18:49.55 | Trev_ | nvz laptop is XP pro.. ultravnc server..workstation debian sarge.. I'll check some display settings.. thanks. |
| 18:50.01 | pipeline | wilbertoki: What kind of speed penalty do you see using a pipe instead of a tarfile? |
| 18:50.06 | nvz | that doesnt work unless you can hold it all in. I can drink 2 gallons, and I am just going to run to the br every 15minutes |
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| 18:50.27 | wilbertoki | pipeline: a pipe? I am not familliar with that method of copying files? do you mean the command cp? |
| 18:50.30 | asuffield | nvz: you're worse than a bloody woman |
| 18:50.35 | pipeline | Trev_: Had you considered using RDP instead of vnc? |
| 18:50.35 | nvz | heh |
| 18:50.58 | Trev_ | Remote Desktop ? sure.. but I am using the vnc for other purposes.. |
| 18:50.59 | pipeline | wilbertoki: e.g. "tar -cf - <foo> | (cd target; tar -xf - ) |
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| 18:51.09 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, try extracting two tar files at once and see if the combined throughput is faster |
| 18:51.38 | nvz | asuffield: even if you are from a country where bloody is a commonly used term, I dont think it sounds right next to woman |
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| 18:52.07 | michael | im trying to get nvidia drivers working.. But i cant install nvidia-glx, apt-get can't find it. Has it been removed or something? |
| 18:52.11 | asuffield | nvz: deal with it |
| 18:52.16 | nvz | heh |
| 18:52.21 | wilbertoki | pipeline: ooo I see you can have it tar and untar at the same time? someone told me about that last night but I didnt quite get it I thought he meant to use && to do one then the other |
| 18:52.21 | pipeline | nvz: That was the original meaning of bloody, actually. |
| 18:52.29 | helix | oh man, I love when I come across an old song I used to love |
| 18:52.29 | pipeline | nvz: Why do you think it's a curse? |
| 18:52.36 | Trev_ | _nvz_ thanks for the thought.. :1 for the display number works =) |
| 18:52.49 | asuffield | helix: learn to file your data better, then |
| 18:52.57 | pipeline | wilbertoki: tar is intended to write to a tape device, or whatever else you have at hand, so yes, you can tar into an anonymous pipe into an extracting tar :P |
| 18:53.08 | pipeline | wilbertoki: I copy things with tar often because tar handles special files correctly |
| 18:53.12 | nvz | Mariah Carey - Always be my baby ? haha |
| 18:53.28 | helix | asuffield: well, I completely forgot about this song and just now heard it on the radio |
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| 18:53.29 | wilbertoki | pipeline: yes I was told tar was faster and better than using cp -p |
| 18:53.39 | helix | but I just organized all of my data last night :) |
| 18:53.43 | pipeline | wilbertoki: I don't know if it's any faster, but it's certainly better. |
| 18:53.51 | asuffield | I have everything I've ever liked on file :P |
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| 18:53.57 | asuffield | helix: clearly you do not have enough data |
| 18:54.07 | asuffield | helix: I need BOOKCASES to organise my data |
| 18:54.09 | helix | I was thinking I had too much |
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| 18:54.26 | asuffield | helix: and I'm not even much of a packrat. I know one guy with at least four times what I've got |
| 18:54.38 | helix | yeah, I don't really download movies and such |
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| 18:55.16 | asuffield | hey, I have one entire bookcase filled with data I bought :P |
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| 18:55.19 | luulis | asuffield: well you can have a lots of data and still pretty clean home dir, I for one, throw almost everything to ~/tmp :P |
| 18:55.26 | helix | heh |
| 18:55.34 | helix | yeah, I have that too... but it's books :) |
| 18:55.37 | asuffield | luulis: I cannot afford that kind of hard drive storage |
| 18:55.38 | pipeline | benjamindees: wine doesn't work well on windows, but it will compile. |
| 18:55.52 | jimloft | put wine in /glass and drink :) |
| 18:55.55 | wilbertoki | pipeline: I will have to test it again with that method, I assume using the pipe would go the same speed as the orginial tar cf, so 1.2 meg per second, but isnt even that very slow -- shouldnt a transfer from my laptops hard disc to my external drive be more like 5 - 35 megs per second, or is that speed like advertised DSL speed 35 megabits per second? |
| 18:55.56 | nvz | heh |
| 18:55.57 | helix | asuffield: you could store 60gb on gluck and get away with it |
| 18:56.01 | asuffield | helix: pah, pathetic data density. I use 64-disc CD wallets, about two inches thick |
| 18:56.09 | helix | damn dude |
| 18:56.14 | duolljk | does anyone know what the address is for the contrib apt source? |
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| 18:56.20 | asuffield | 60Gb is chicken-shit. I could run through that in a couple of weeks |
| 18:56.20 | helix | you outdata me |
| 18:56.31 | pipeline | wilbertoki: Most IDE hard drives can handle a sustained 10 MB/s or so. Laptops, maybe a bit less. 1.2 MB/s is pretty slow. |
| 18:56.32 | asuffield | I need numbers measured in Tb |
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| 18:56.55 | pipeline | wilbertoki: It's going to depend on how big your files are. If you're tarring lots of tiny files, that's the worst case, as you're allocating a lot of blocks but not writing in sustained bursts. |
| 18:57.02 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, I'd guess your external (usb?) drive is the bottleneck |
| 18:57.08 | helix | sigh. I won't be wandering outside for months. |
| 18:57.11 | wilbertoki | pipeline: are there any linux utiliteies to test drive speed? |
| 18:57.19 | pipeline | wilbertoki: Oh, wait, external drive? hahahahhahahhaha |
| 18:57.20 | duyo | wilbertoki: bonnie |
| 18:57.23 | wilbertoki | benjamindees: Yes how can I tell if it is using usb 1 or 2.0? |
| 18:57.26 | asuffield | helix: jailbird |
| 18:57.35 | pipeline | wilbertoki: It doesn't matter *that* much. USB2 is dreadfully slow for hard drives. Get firewire :P |
| 18:57.38 | helix | I actually had a dream last night that I was going to jail |
| 18:57.42 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, it's 1.0 :) |
| 18:57.45 | asuffield | wilbertoki: it's pretty clear you're using USB 1 |
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| 18:58.01 | jimloft | i thought usb2 was faster than firewire |
| 18:58.06 | asuffield | helix: did you get to the shower scene? |
| 18:58.18 | helix | heh |
| 18:58.19 | wilbertoki | my drive has firewire support but dell c600 doesnt -- maybe the docking bay does |
| 18:58.20 | helix | nah |
| 18:58.22 | pipeline | jimloft: Its top speed is. In practice, it's much slower. |
| 18:58.45 | helix | speaking of which |
| 18:58.52 | helix | asuffield: know if you're going to .fi yet? |
| 18:58.53 | asuffield | geez, you layabout |
| 18:59.03 | asuffield | no |
| 18:59.11 | pipeline | jimloft: It's the same as how 4mbit token ring averages about double the bandwidth of 10mbit ethernet. |
| 18:59.16 | xoz | wilbertoki: check if you are using ehci_hcd. lsmod |
| 18:59.32 | pipeline | jimloft: USB2 does 480 mbps peak, Firewire 400 only does 400 mbps... but you will never get 480 out of USB2 because the protocol sucks. |
| 19:00.14 | helix | sucker |
| 19:00.29 | helix | how much are flights from .uk->.fi anyway? |
| 19:00.44 | asuffield | nothing really. hotel bill would be the real cost |
| 19:00.54 | helix | why would you need to stay at a hotel? |
| 19:00.59 | wilbertoki | xoz: nope |
| 19:01.09 | asuffield | I am not the camping type |
| 19:01.21 | helix | camping? we won't be camping |
| 19:01.25 | xoz | wilbertoki: modprobe ehci-hcd returns error? |
| 19:01.29 | wilbertoki | xoz: lsmod |grep ehci_hcd returnts nothing |
| 19:01.42 | helix | though I guess you may have to room with other people |
| 19:01.48 | wilbertoki | is that dangerous to do during transfer on drive? |
| 19:01.57 | asuffield | and free software developers smell |
| 19:02.03 | helix | that's true |
| 19:02.06 | jimloft | lol |
| 19:02.08 | xoz | wilbertoki: modprobe the module so that you can use ehci... it is the driver for usb2 if you want to use it |
| 19:02.12 | asuffield | and they're *never* cute |
| 19:02.27 | wilbertoki | xoz: it returns no error |
| 19:02.45 | helix | well, very few are cute, but it's not unheard of |
| 19:02.47 | wilbertoki | xoz: if I remount the drive will it switch over to 2.0? |
| 19:03.05 | xoz | wilbertoki: yep. check if ehci is loaded. |
| 19:03.07 | asuffield | I've never met one |
| 19:03.18 | helix | you're talking about both guys and girls? |
| 19:03.28 | jimloft | girls code?! |
| 19:03.33 | xoz | wilbertoki: dmesg after mounting and check if usb2 protocol was detected |
| 19:04.00 | helix | I can think of a few cute people in both camps |
| 19:04.07 | asuffield | I can't |
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| 19:04.22 | helix | hanna will be there :P |
| 19:04.33 | asuffield | she's not really a developer, afaik |
| 19:04.47 | asuffield | (admittedly she's cute) |
| 19:04.58 | helix | I think all the girls will be in the same rooms though |
| 19:05.08 | helix | the single ones anyway |
| 19:05.10 | colde89 | i get a memory-grab-error when i compile my kernel, is there somesthing i can do? |
| 19:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | helix: You going? |
| 19:05.16 | xoz | that's discrimination |
| 19:05.22 | asuffield | helix: it's okay, I can break in |
| 19:05.34 | valdyn | colde89: whats a memory-grab-error ? |
| 19:05.37 | helix | asuffield: if you're nice to us, we may even invite you in |
| 19:05.41 | helix | scarynetworkguy: of course |
| 19:05.59 | asuffield | helix: I think I'll plan on packing my lockpicks |
| 19:06.04 | helix | heh :) |
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| 19:06.09 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 19:06.25 | helix | hmm, what am I supposed to be doing today and why am I not doing it? |
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| 19:06.29 | colde89 | valdyn: the german word is zpeicherzugruffsfehler, sorry don`t know. |
| 19:06.34 | scarynetworkguy | Cool. So that makes two cuties. Although at least one is a vegan and therefore evil. :) |
| 19:06.35 | amorphix | is there to check whether my Linux is i386 or i586 installation? |
| 19:06.45 | helix | I'm evil for plenty of other reasons |
| 19:06.54 | valdyn | colde89: segmentation fault i guess |
| 19:06.57 | asuffield | helix is not cute |
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| 19:07.11 | jimloft | amorphix: uname -a ? |
| 19:07.12 | valdyn | colde89: which program is seg faulting? |
| 19:07.12 | benjamindees | amorphix, uname -r |
| 19:07.19 | amorphix | thanks |
| 19:07.34 | xoz | amorphix: read /boot/config-<kernel version> content |
| 19:07.36 | helix | asuffield: well, I am when I have purple on... |
| 19:07.38 | colde89 | valdyn: it ocours by compiling the kernel |
| 19:07.40 | amorphix | damn |
| 19:07.42 | valdyn | colde89: run whatever with LC_ALL=C <whatever> to get english errors |
| 19:07.49 | asuffield | helix: not convinced |
| 19:07.49 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yeah. But that is the one that I think is evil. |
| 19:07.55 | amorphix | my system reports i'm running i686 but i dont have an i686 family CPU! |
| 19:08.00 | asuffield | irritation |
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| 19:08.09 | amorphix | I'm running a P3-550mhz |
| 19:08.11 | valdyn | colde89: there's a few tools involved in that, which compiler are you using? |
| 19:08.14 | amorphix | thats i586? |
| 19:08.26 | helix | asuffield: did you at least register just in case? |
| 19:08.33 | colde89 | valdyn: g++ |
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| 19:08.44 | benjamindees | amorphix, sorry, i686 |
| 19:08.48 | helix | I'm not going to the UK beforehand so no chance of me harassing you there :) |
| 19:08.50 | helix | but yay france |
| 19:08.58 | valdyn | colde89: hmm, certainly not. gcc -v |
| 19:09.09 | amorphix | benjamindees ? |
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| 19:09.16 | wilbertoki | xoz: dmesg reports USB HID v1.10 devicde using uhci driver |
| 19:09.19 | asuffield | helix: not yet |
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| 19:09.25 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: she's just *not* |
| 19:09.32 | benjamindees | amorphix, everything since the pentium pro is 686 |
| 19:09.36 | valdyn | colde89: type "gcc -v" |
| 19:09.37 | xoz | wilbertoki: then usb2 is not detected. |
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| 19:09.40 | amorphix | oh i see |
| 19:09.44 | helix | scarynetworkguy: it's true, I'm not |
| 19:09.46 | colde89 | valdyn: cold be gcc, don`t know both are installed |
| 19:10.12 | scarynetworkguy | helix: All I'm gonna say is that I've seen the pics on your website and drop it before this gets creepy. |
| 19:10.20 | amorphix | thanks for help |
| 19:10.21 | colde89 | valdyn: gcc is version 3.3.5 |
| 19:10.25 | helix | scarynetworkguy: "cute" is like puppies and kittens |
| 19:10.27 | asuffield | (those pictures are pretty awful) |
| 19:10.32 | wilbertoki | how can I tail -f dmesg? |
| 19:10.33 | jimloft | my definition of cute is 'has pulse' |
| 19:10.46 | wilbertoki | xoz: maybe my c600 doesnt support usb 2.0 |
| 19:10.47 | Xenguy | heh |
| 19:10.48 | valdyn | colde89: and your kernel that you are trying to compile is a standard kernel? |
| 19:10.53 | helix | scarynetworkguy: anyway, you have to know suff's type to understand why I don't fit it :) |
| 19:11.04 | De_Mon | Is there a tool that does recursive search/replace? |
| 19:11.09 | asuffield | google images shows up a few shots of helix from other places. including one where she appears to be dating tbm |
| 19:11.17 | xoz | wilbertoki: tail -f /var/log/syslog ... |
| 19:11.19 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yeah. His mind has been warped by way too much anime, right? |
| 19:11.22 | CyL | What are the necessary jidgo files for me to get the correct CD images of the binary installation files? |
| 19:11.25 | helix | nah |
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| 19:11.33 | colde89 | valdyn: is the kernel from debian testing |
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| 19:11.46 | colde89 | valdyn: 2.6.8 |
| 19:11.50 | xoz | wilbertoki: syslog messages are similar to dmesg AFAIK. what is c600? |
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| 19:11.59 | valdyn | colde89: but in any case this is in order of likelyness: Your bad hardware - broken files in your debian installation - a gcc bug |
| 19:12.01 | xoz | wilbertoki: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:12.07 | sebi_ | is it possible that webmin-dhcpd is only in sid or am I missing sources |
| 19:12.21 | xoz | sebi_: possible |
| 19:12.47 | colde89 | valdyn: will come back when i have the right error in englich .. |
| 19:12.49 | valdyn | colde89: try to compile again, see if that error comes again at the exact same place |
| 19:12.56 | jimloft | gah, got to get a train to liverpool :(. byeeeeeeee |
| 19:12.57 | czesiu | hello |
| 19:13.08 | valdyn | colde89: if it shows at a different point, then it should be a hardware fault |
| 19:13.08 | colde89 | valdyn: ok |
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| 19:13.14 | wilbertoki | xoz: yes I am |
| 19:13.15 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: I do not believe my tastes have changed since I discovered anime |
| 19:13.18 | wilbertoki | xoz: running debian sid |
| 19:13.20 | colde89 | valdyn: ok .. |
| 19:13.36 | valdyn | colde89: anyway do that yea, silly to talk if this wasnt a segmentation fault |
| 19:13.37 | helix | scarynetworkguy: he likes really adorable small girls |
| 19:13.48 | wilbertoki | xoz: c600 is a dell c600 laptop I got on ebay for 390 |
| 19:13.59 | wilbertoki | xoz: p3 750 |
| 19:14.02 | xoz | wilbertoki: are you sure it has usb2? |
| 19:14.09 | wilbertoki | xoz: no |
| 19:14.13 | xoz | heh |
| 19:14.18 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yeah. That's what I thought. |
| 19:14.21 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Heh. |
| 19:14.23 | colde89 | valdyn: ok, but now i have to go to my easter-fire .. |
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| 19:14.34 | jharrison | abrotman: ping |
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| 19:14.45 | xoz | wilbertoki: usually ehci will not be loaded if you have no usb2. the log will have some error |
| 19:14.50 | xoz | errors |
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| 19:14.54 | valdyn | colde89: np, im not waiting for your , i might be here whenever,but different people can help the same. |
| 19:15.11 | asynic | how can I tell mdadm not to use a specific device just for the moment? |
| 19:15.17 | asynic | I'm trying to create a full raid 1 |
| 19:15.21 | valdyn | colde89: and theres alsa debian-de, if you prefer german |
| 19:16.10 | colde89 | valdyn: yes, ok don`t know why but today i cold not login to debian.de have tryed for several times .. |
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| 19:16.31 | saabin | hello |
| 19:16.32 | saabin | help mailx is acting crazy |
| 19:16.38 | wilbertoki | xoz: I just read it only has usb 1.1 ports -- I could go with a pcmcia solution or maybe the docking port fixes the issue -- thanks a lot - I spent a lot of time thinking about using a high speed filesystem and I had no idea how slow usb 1 was |
| 19:16.42 | saabin | No local mailer defined |
| 19:16.48 | saabin | QueueDirectory (Q) option must be set |
| 19:16.54 | saabin | what to do? |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | colde89: wow that channel is gone or unusually quiet |
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| 19:17.14 | valdyn | !german |
| 19:17.14 | dpkg | i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 19:17.16 | xoz | wilbertoki: it is *slow* |
| 19:17.24 | colde89 | valdyn: yes .. |
| 19:17.30 | Dull404 | how can i see what mode X is running in? |
| 19:17.44 | valdyn | colde89: no action in it for the last hours |
| 19:17.48 | xoz | Dull404: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:18.08 | sebi_ | I'm trying to set up dhcp and dns servers for a small network (15 machines) is bind and dhcp3-server the right solution or should I look for something smaller ? |
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| 19:18.25 | Dull404 | xoz, looked at it but.... |
| 19:18.38 | benjamindees | sebi_, yes, but dns is overkill for a small network |
| 19:18.48 | Dull404 | xoz, im not sure wich stuff is the right ones |
| 19:19.00 | xoz | Dull404: /DPI |
| 19:19.01 | ApTek | sebi_: dhcp3 should be fine. |
| 19:19.14 | xoz | Dull404: cat XF .. | /DPI |
| 19:19.22 | ApTek | sebi: I use it on a similarly if not slightly smaller network and it works fine. |
| 19:19.35 | asuffield | sebi_: there's no appreciable reason not to go with those |
| 19:19.58 | asuffield | it's not like they're appreciably large or slow |
| 19:19.59 | xoz | Dull404: err. cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep DPI |
| 19:20.13 | sebi_ | which of them do I set up first ? |
| 19:20.16 | Dull404 | xoz, um yeah :) |
| 19:20.23 | asuffield | both |
| 19:20.29 | wilbertoki | our own DNS server has been a lifesaver |
| 19:20.32 | valdyn | sebi_: dnsmasq might be slightly easier, and does both, i agree with asuffield though |
| 19:20.33 | asuffield | no point having one without the other |
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| 19:20.43 | wilbertoki | sbcglobal DSL's dns servers were sooooooooooooo slow |
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| 19:20.47 | Dull404 | xoz, 100,100 ? |
| 19:21.10 | wilbertoki | sometimes host names wouldnt even resolve |
| 19:21.13 | asuffield | wilbertoki: you now have proper caching on the local end of the slow DSL link. that's the important different |
| 19:21.15 | asuffield | s/different/difference/ |
| 19:21.17 | xoz | Dull404: yep. change it if the standard menu font is too big or too small |
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| 19:21.21 | valdyn | sebi_: advantage might be that dnsmasq can use /etc/hosts in your server, i dont know if bind does that |
| 19:21.22 | wintix | !depends mplayer |
| 19:21.27 | |ryan| | sebi_: you might look at djbdns instead of bind |
| 19:21.38 | pipeline | |ryan|, sebi_ : Blasphemy. |
| 19:21.39 | |ryan| | but ISC's DHCP server is great. |
| 19:21.52 | asuffield | ...if you want to fuck your system over completely. djbdns is for use in some alternate universe |
| 19:21.59 | wilbertoki | asuffield: our dsl connection isnt slow I dont think - it was just the name resolution when browsing web sites that was slow - I get 162 kbs all the time for downloads |
| 19:21.59 | pipeline | sebi_: djbdns is a bear to set up. BIND has cryptic syntax, but it's easy to get running. |
| 19:22.01 | Dull404 | xoz, oh i mean, the refresh rates... my screen is flickering, so i guess its too low |
| 19:22.02 | asuffield | it does not work with DNS in *this* world |
| 19:22.17 | xoz | |ryan|: we hate using shift_, drop || in your name |
| 19:22.25 | pipeline | !nickometer |ryan| |
| 19:22.25 | dpkg | '|ryan|' is 26.000% lame, pipeline |
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| 19:22.29 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, yes, SBC dns servers are crap |
| 19:22.29 | saabin | My sendmail is not reading cf file |
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| 19:22.33 | |ryan| | beh. |
| 19:22.41 | |ryan| | not like i have it registered. |
| 19:22.44 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, but they've gotten better lately |
| 19:22.46 | pipeline | Man, we need auto-kick rules like undernet #debian. |
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| 19:22.54 | meme | Cannot get PPPoE working with 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 19:23.06 | xoz | Dull404: grep hsync, vrefresh |
| 19:23.07 | wilbertoki | benjamindees: they should give us rebates |
| 19:23.12 | |ryan| | damnit |
| 19:23.17 | jharrison | rebates? |
| 19:23.19 | wintix | !nickometer wintix |
| 19:23.35 | wintix | hm |
| 19:23.38 | benjamindees | wilbertoki, hah, I'm just happy when they don't cut off my service entirely and overcharge me for it :) |
| 19:23.44 | sebi_ | will it make a disadvantage using bind8 , because there is a webmin-module for I would like to use ? |
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| 19:23.51 | jharrison | !rebates |
| 19:23.57 | Dull404 | xoz, got 20 lines... lots of modes |
| 19:23.58 | wilbertoki | rebates they owe me |
| 19:24.03 | wintix | webmin.. |
| 19:24.11 | asuffield | hah. rebates are such an american scam |
| 19:24.14 | jharrison | you guys are spoiled on rebates |
| 19:24.20 | asuffield | that shit isn't even legal here |
| 19:24.30 | jharrison | nor here |
| 19:24.33 | zuralin | spoiled? |
| 19:24.39 | asuffield | not that British customers would ever stand for it |
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| 19:24.43 | ryan- | well |
| 19:24.51 | jharrison | they think they are actually getting a deal |
| 19:24.51 | xoz | Dull404: cat XF..| less ... then /hsync ... the first one will tell you what freq |
| 19:24.57 | wintix | is there a movie player other than mplayer which plays .bin-files? |
| 19:25.08 | wilbertoki | rebates are a scam -- more than half of people never send them in |
| 19:25.08 | sebi_ | thanks for now |
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| 19:25.17 | wilbertoki | but thats not the kind of rebates I was talking about |
| 19:25.21 | Dull404 | xoz, vrefresh is 65... dang that is low :/ |
| 19:25.25 | ryan- | wilbertoki: about 40% send them in. |
| 19:25.27 | wilbertoki | i demand reperations |
| 19:25.29 | benjamindees | refunds |
| 19:25.38 | wilbertoki | *** I meant less than half |
| 19:25.41 | xoz | Dull404: dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:25.46 | ryan- | and even if you do send it in, it takes two months. |
| 19:25.51 | wintix | or better... how can i mount .bin images? |
| 19:25.58 | asuffield | and there's no guarantee you'll ever get any money |
| 19:26.02 | wilbertoki | ryan- and sometimes they deny them for obscure reasons |
| 19:26.05 | ryan- | wintix: mount -o loop |
| 19:26.10 | asuffield | half the time they don't even bother sending them all out |
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| 19:26.18 | Dull404 | xoz, i did but it wont me set it higher. i know my monitor can do at least 75 |
| 19:26.19 | wintix | ryan-: that only works with .iso |
| 19:26.19 | asuffield | the rest can just be "lost in the mail" |
| 19:26.29 | ryan- | wintix: on, it's a CD image? |
| 19:26.45 | ryan- | um, you'll have to convert it to iso first. |
| 19:26.45 | xoz | Dull404: what's your card? |
| 19:26.46 | wilbertoki | we need replicator technology so hardware can be as free as software |
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| 19:26.50 | valdyn | wintix: every movie player should be able to play those bins, if you rename them to .mpeg |
| 19:27.02 | ryan- | wilbertoki: yes, that would rock. |
| 19:27.05 | Dull404 | xoz, nvidia riva tnt2 64 |
| 19:27.08 | wintix | valdyn: i'll try it. |
| 19:27.18 | ryan- | wilbertoki: or at least afordable fabber units. |
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| 19:27.27 | valdyn | wintix: xine and totem do |
| 19:27.28 | xoz | Dull404: nvidia issue? |
| 19:27.29 | wilbertoki | ryan-: does fabber mean generic? |
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| 19:27.34 | zed | hello all :) |
| 19:27.36 | benjamindees | I thought you could print circuit boards on laserjet printers now |
| 19:27.39 | ryan- | fabber = fabricater |
| 19:28.08 | wintix | valdyn: thx for the tip. works grear. symlinks are a nice thing :) |
| 19:28.10 | Dull404 | xoz, dont seems like it.... is there a good guide howto somewhere or a tool to probe the modes? |
| 19:28.14 | asuffield | wintix: it really depends what's in the image. use bchunk to convert it into a sequence of iso, mpeg, and wav files |
| 19:28.30 | valdyn | wintix: those vcds are just a raw mpeg written to a cd, not using a filesystem ) |
| 19:28.39 | asuffield | a vcd or svcd image happens to be a single mpeg image, so can be played directly |
| 19:28.44 | pipeline | asuffield: No. |
| 19:28.44 | wilbertoki | yes 3d printers can carve objects out of wax for 20 years -- thats as close as we have to replicators |
| 19:28.48 | ryan- | benjamindees: I said affordable. |
| 19:28.48 | asuffield | but there's loads of other things it could be |
| 19:28.55 | xoz | Dull404: google is much better. copy the modes of other people ;) |
| 19:29.09 | pipeline | asuffield, valdyn: VCD's and SVCD's are a special formate written in a non-ECC mode. They're not just an MPEG stream. |
| 19:29.15 | ireverentReveren | how do i add functionality to additional keys? ie, i have a dell laptop, and it has the option to press "FN" plus "Volume up/down" "suspend" ect. xev sees the keys as different when they are pressed in conjunction witht the fn key. how do i map them so that i can use them in khotkeys? |
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| 19:29.34 | zed | i'm having problem with a dhclient/dhcpd, can i ask my question ? |
| 19:29.39 | pipeline | asuffield, valdyn: Most video players cannot understand the SVCD format, but can play the SVCD MPEG stream if it's ripped from the disc. VLC, however, is an exception, and can play the image of the disc directly |
| 19:29.42 | asuffield | pipeline: they more or less are. unchunking is a trivial translation that can be done in realtime (at least xine can) |
| 19:29.42 | Dull404 | xoz, ok but is there a wahy to try out some modes without doing dpkg-reconfigure all over? |
| 19:29.49 | benjamindees | zed, don't ask to ask |
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| 19:29.53 | Agrajag_ | login has stopped working for me, anyone know a fix? |
| 19:30.05 | zed | ok benjamindees then i ask :) |
| 19:30.06 | asuffield | and bchunk will do it on-disk, so anything can then play it |
| 19:30.07 | Agrajag_ | in unstable |
| 19:30.20 | valdyn | pipeline: i think they are, the "special" thing is just that, that they do not have error correction on CD |
| 19:30.22 | prahal | hi, is localhost.localdomain a default debian /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1 ? it is not on my box but i may have removed it (i need this info to know if i have to report a bug). |
| 19:30.23 | xoz | Dull404: videogen |
| 19:30.38 | asuffield | valdyn: it's not quite a linear arrangement |
| 19:30.40 | xoz | Dull404: or try XFree86 -configure |
| 19:30.47 | wilbertoki | I read that kde 3.4 wont be released to sid until sarge is releasd as stable -- woudl you guys blame me for switching to ubuntu |
| 19:30.54 | jharrison | prahal: I suspect it is default |
| 19:31.07 | prahal | Agrajag_: add "-b" to the kernel prompt (it is the emergency mode) |
| 19:31.24 | jharrison | prahal: every sarge/unstable box I have has this in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 19:31.26 | zed | i have a pc (gateway) running debian with 3 network interfaces, i get my public IP from a dhcp request, on my private "site" i have a statically addresses network on one interface, and i (would like to) have a dhcp server listening on the thircd interface |
| 19:31.29 | xoz | wilbertoki: we don't care. |
| 19:31.34 | valdyn | asuffield: i dont get that, in other words? |
| 19:31.43 | Dull404 | xoz, i did... and then everything just got messed up, so i had to reinstall debian again...... |
| 19:31.47 | wilbertoki | zed: why dont you try IPcop |
| 19:31.51 | zed | the problem is that when i renew my public ip address, it looks like looping between my dhcpserver and the dhclient |
| 19:31.53 | jharrison | zed: what do you mean private site? |
| 19:31.53 | Agrajag_ | praha1: ah thanks, I try it |
| 19:32.01 | asuffield | valdyn: the bits aren't arranged in the same sequence as they would be in a regular mpeg file |
| 19:32.02 | xoz | Dull404: which one you did? |
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| 19:32.02 | jharrison | zed: is the site accessible from the internet? |
| 19:32.03 | zed | jharrison: 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 19:32.13 | asuffield | valdyn: the transformation is trivial for software, but important for burning |
| 19:32.19 | prahal | jharrison: thanks so i ll report against mail server that they only set "localhost" and miss "localhost.localdomain" (i found out that my nagios report end up on my FAI !) |
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| 19:32.35 | asuffield | bin/cue pairs are pre-chunked, for no particularly good reason |
| 19:32.43 | jharrison | zed: so you have a public (internet) interface and a LAN (private network) interface and you are doing nothing with the 3rd interface? |
| 19:32.45 | prahal | they must have laughed seeing my networks stats coming on their accounts :-/ |
| 19:32.45 | asuffield | (any burning application can do it on the fly without any real performance hit) |
| 19:32.46 | Dull404 | xoz, xf86cfg and xf86configure |
| 19:32.50 | ryan- | zed: firewall rules could pervern local packets from hitting the DHCP server. |
| 19:32.56 | jharrison | prahal: which mailserver |
| 19:32.56 | jharrison | ? |
| 19:32.58 | zed | jharrison: exactly |
| 19:33.05 | prahal | jharrison: exim4 |
| 19:33.06 | valdyn | asuffield: ah, I see, thanks |
| 19:33.09 | jharrison | prahal: ok |
| 19:33.11 | xoz | Dull404: no, XFree86 -configure is different. try it |
| 19:33.15 | idnar | asuffield: ah, is that why bin files are often like 200MB larger than an 'iso' file? |
| 19:33.19 | prahal | maybe all the other |
| 19:33.24 | zed | i thought that dhclient would only send his request to the designed interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:33.29 | asuffield | idnar: no. that's extra data stuffed in there |
| 19:33.30 | xoz | Dull404: and try if videogen can generate the modeline for you |
| 19:33.31 | Agrajag_ | praha1: then an apt-get upgrade I presume. If I look in the lilo config file will I see a spot to add the -b? |
| 19:33.32 | jharrison | zed: so for the LAN interface you want the dhcp server to handle requests? |
| 19:33.34 | ryan- | zed: that's right. |
| 19:33.39 | zed | exactly |
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| 19:33.41 | asuffield | idnar: most likely audio tracks. bchunk will extract them |
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| 19:33.50 | guorke | :) |
| 19:33.50 | jharrison | zed: ok let me check my server settings to make sure |
| 19:33.56 | spiekey | hi |
| 19:34.00 | Dull404 | xoz, does it modify anyhing else except for xfree86-4 ? so i can back it up? |
| 19:34.05 | valdyn | idnar: thats because they bins have the error correction code in them ( or are just those "mpegs" w/o error correction ) |
| 19:34.12 | ryan- | zed: You want to run a DHCP server on an interface that is configured with DHCP? |
| 19:34.13 | asuffield | idnar: chunked images are larger, but not by that much |
| 19:34.17 | xoz | Dull404: no, it creates a file in your home directory |
| 19:34.21 | spiekey | i am trying to set up my isdn card but get the following error: ipppd: info: no CHAP secret entry for this user! |
| 19:34.22 | zed | no ryan- |
| 19:34.24 | spiekey | any idea why? |
| 19:34.27 | zed | the interface is static |
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| 19:34.34 | Dull404 | xoz, ok thanks |
| 19:34.37 | ryan- | oh. |
| 19:34.39 | prahal | Agrajag_: if you cannot login you cannot change lilo config (but it was not what i suggested if you can login there is no point in changing lilo conf and if you cannot ... well you cannot ) |
| 19:34.39 | zed | i wan the dhcpd to only listen on this interface |
| 19:34.40 | zed | :) |
| 19:34.46 | ryan- | ah. |
| 19:34.47 | ryan- | ok |
| 19:34.52 | xoz | Dull404: a template that you can copy to fill you true config |
| 19:34.57 | ryan- | I've never had any problems with that. |
| 19:34.57 | zed | while the eth1 is a static network (for wired PC) |
| 19:34.57 | fede | i'm having a lil' problem with my /etc/fstab |
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| 19:35.05 | zed | eth2 is wifi network (with dhcp) |
| 19:35.08 | Iwrite | SIGH! This is why I wanted Wiley Publishing Debian Bible. So I'd know my ass from a hot rock, when I _tried_ to install. |
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| 19:35.12 | zed | eth0 for internet access :) |
| 19:35.12 | Agrajag_ | praha1: well I have rescue disk |
| 19:35.14 | jharrison | zed: I believe unless you tell it dhcp will try to listen on everything |
| 19:35.15 | ryan- | ok |
| 19:35.17 | idnar | asuffield: well, I've often seen .bin/.cue pairs with only one data track which come to like 850MB, while the iso filesystem is only around 600MB of data; I suppose there might be audio tracks in the .bin that just aren't listed in the .cue, or something |
| 19:35.19 | jharrison | zed: it might be the other way around though |
| 19:35.22 | ryan- | right |
| 19:35.25 | fede | it says "warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab" what does it means? how can i fix it? |
| 19:35.27 | zed | jharrison: i modified /etc/default/dhcpd |
| 19:35.30 | prahal | Agrajag_: at boot you should have a prompt , write your usual boot then -b (usual boto is left to the reader imagination) |
| 19:35.35 | zed | INTERFACES=eth2 |
| 19:35.39 | valdyn | idnar: no, thats the error correction stuff |
| 19:35.43 | Dull404 | xoz, read something that dpkg-reconfigure does a md5check on the file.... ? |
| 19:35.44 | jharrison | zed: which dhcp server are you using |
| 19:35.45 | prahal | i don't use lilo so have forgot the usual debian prompt :( |
| 19:35.45 | ryan- | but it should only listen on subnets that it has definitions for |
| 19:35.49 | asuffield | idnar: that would be pretty silly. and frankly rather strange. an 850Mb bin file cannot possibly be burned onto any known CD, the track just isn't that long |
| 19:35.50 | zed | it only listens on eth2 (i checked through lsof) |
| 19:35.50 | jharrison | zed: dhcp3-server? |
| 19:35.56 | zed | jharrison: yes |
| 19:35.58 | asuffield | idnar: I would be inclined to suspect idiots |
| 19:36.10 | ryan- | hmm. |
| 19:36.12 | ryan- | that's odd. |
| 19:36.14 | asuffield | idnar: even if you overburn them, you can only get 800ish, max |
| 19:36.18 | idnar | asuffield: yeah, well, this is w4r3z-type stuff, so that wouldn't be surprising |
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| 19:36.30 | asuffield | (and 7xx is more normal) |
| 19:36.31 | ryan- | um |
| 19:36.32 | jharrison | zed: what does netstat -lnp say? |
| 19:36.33 | ryan- | yes |
| 19:36.51 | jharrison | zed: dont paste in the channel more then 2 lines |
| 19:36.52 | ryan- | in the data mode it's burned in, and 850MB .bin can be burnt to one CD. |
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| 19:37.01 | zed | ok jharrison :) |
| 19:37.06 | valdyn | asuffield: not quite 850mb : 821050272 2003-12-24 14:41 Revo2.bin, that should be a full "700mb" cdrom |
| 19:37.17 | zed | raw 0 0 0.0.0.0:1 0.0.0.0:* 7 14884/dhcpd3 |
| 19:37.21 | zed | one line :) |
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| 19:37.26 | xoz | Dull404: /msg dpkg xmd5? |
| 19:37.34 | asuffield | valdyn: ah, that's 780Mb. that's possible, sometimes |
| 19:37.36 | ryan- | you're listening on all intercases. |
| 19:37.38 | ryan- | um |
| 19:37.40 | ryan- | WTF? |
| 19:37.43 | asuffield | you need good blanks though |
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| 19:37.49 | ryan- | zed, run netstat -plan |
| 19:38.09 | idnar | asuffield: what about 90min+ CDs? |
| 19:38.23 | jharrison | zed: that looks strange |
| 19:38.24 | ryan- | asuffield: it's a diffrent data mode, it does not ever require overburning. |
| 19:38.26 | jharrison | zed: why port 1? |
| 19:38.28 | asuffield | idnar: those are 700Mb nominal |
| 19:38.34 | ryan- | s/ever/even/ |
| 19:38.36 | valdyn | asuffield: nono, thats b/c its burned w/o ecc |
| 19:38.36 | asuffield | ryan-: you are confused |
| 19:38.49 | asuffield | valdyn: that's 700Mb WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING |
| 19:38.57 | Dull404 | xoz, ah thanks.. i think thats why it got messed up last time :-) |
| 19:38.58 | xoz | Dull404: since your requirement needs tweaking your X xonfig... you have to have the guts no to depend on dpkg-reconfigure. besides, once X config is running, you'll never need to reconfigure it. |
| 19:39.01 | jharrison | zed: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 3742/dhcpd3 |
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| 19:39.08 | ryan- | asuffield: from a bin/cue? |
| 19:39.24 | asuffield | valdyn: you lose space from that for a 'regular' data disk |
| 19:39.38 | benjamindees | asuffield, not imho |
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| 19:39.46 | Dull404 | xoz, true :) |
| 19:39.49 | asuffield | benjamindees: YO is irrelevant. that's the spec |
| 19:39.49 | valdyn | asuffield: yea, think we agree |
| 19:40.08 | benjamindees | asuffield, you get 700 mb on a 700 mb disk with an iso fs |
| 19:40.16 | asuffield | most CDs are actually manufactured with more than 700Mb of data space |
| 19:40.19 | asuffield | benjamindees: you're overburning |
| 19:40.32 | pipeline | benjamindees: A 700M disc has 800M of space. |
| 19:40.32 | asuffield | but there's no strict rule about how much extra space they'll have, or whether it'll work |
| 19:40.41 | asuffield | pipeline: ...sometimes |
| 19:40.41 | ryan- | .... |
| 19:40.43 | jeanmi | I am trying to compile the modules for freeswan, /usr/src/linux links to the kernel-source of my kernel-image (bot deb packages) |
| 19:40.44 | pipeline | asuffield: Actually, there's a strict rule. |
| 19:40.47 | jharrison | zed: so you want to lock it down to listening on one interface only? |
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| 19:40.53 | asuffield | pipeline: it says "700Mb". |
| 19:40.57 | benjamindees | pipeline, that's my understanding |
| 19:41.13 | jeanmi | m-a i-m freeswan yields: that the source are not configured |
| 19:41.13 | pipeline | benjamindees , asuffield: a "700M" disc has room for error correction data. If you don't bother with ECC data, you get more usable space. |
| 19:41.14 | asuffield | 800Mb is about the maximum that will physically fit on the disk. the gap between 700Mb and 800Mb is not required to work by the spec |
| 19:41.22 | asuffield | pipeline: no. |
| 19:41.29 | zed | raw 0 0 0.0.0.0:1 0.0.0.0:* 7 14935/dhcpd3 |
| 19:41.30 | zed | oups |
| 19:41.30 | zed | that the two lines i get |
| 19:41.30 | zed | er the second one is |
| 19:41.30 | zed | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 14935/dhcpd3 |
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| 19:41.37 | flaco | hi.... anyone know how to mount a net drive?? |
| 19:41.38 | pipeline | asuffield: It's 800M if you use 2352 byte sectors instead of 2048 |
| 19:41.43 | asuffield | pipeline: no. |
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| 19:41.58 | pipeline | asuffield: Excuse me? Yes. |
| 19:41.58 | asuffield | pipeline: it's 700Mb iff you use 2352 byte sectors, with no error correction or subchannel data. that's the spec. |
| 19:41.58 | streuner | flaco: NFS? |
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| 19:42.06 | Iwrite | What's the command to get back into setup? is it destall? |
| 19:42.09 | zed | re (sorry) |
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| 19:42.14 | ryan- | asuffield: you are wrong. |
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| 19:42.20 | zed | don't know why port one... |
| 19:42.25 | pipeline | asuffield: That's for an ancient-style disc. A modern, standard, 80 minute disc gets 700M *after* ECC and subchannel overhead. |
| 19:42.26 | addNtoX | hoi folks :) |
| 19:42.26 | asuffield | ryan-: no. you are wrong. |
| 19:42.43 | asuffield | pipeline: no, a modern, standard, 80 minute disk gets 700Mb *before* overheads |
| 19:42.48 | ryan- | asuffield: have you ever burned VCDs? |
| 19:42.49 | pipeline | asuffield: It's true that some, very early, disc drives can't handle 80 minute discs, but the 80 minute extension to specs was made with backwards compatibility in mind. |
| 19:42.50 | asuffield | pipeline: a contemporary CD happens to include more than a 'standard' disk |
| 19:42.58 | pipeline | asuffield: The 80 minute disc IS the extension. |
| 19:42.59 | asuffield | ryan-: about 15-20 per week |
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| 19:43.16 | flaco | streuner : dont know the name.. i got 2 computers.. and my mp3 are in one computer.. now i´m working in the other... i want hear the mp3 without copy the files |
| 19:43.22 | zed | jharrison: yes i'd like to lock it down to one interface only |
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| 19:43.45 | streuner | flaco: use NFS then, if you running on both boxes unix |
| 19:43.49 | pipeline | asuffield: You are simply incorrect. I can't very well argue about it :P |
| 19:43.57 | asuffield | pipeline: it's the old extension. it gives you 700Mb, before overheads. modern blanks often lay data tracks all the way to the edge. that's beyond the spec. |
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| 19:44.05 | asuffield | pipeline: you are confused by marketdroids |
| 19:44.25 | maw_ | E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 19:44.31 | maw_ | why do i get that error? |
| 19:44.59 | flaco | streuner thks :D |
| 19:45.07 | pipeline | asuffield: You are not making sense. On a 72 minute disc, that would be true. 80 minute discs are the extension to the standard to allow that behaviour. Virtually all CD-ROM drives, even very old ones, don't have a problem with 80 minute discs. |
| 19:45.10 | streuner | flaco: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server on both |
| 19:45.12 | valdyn | maw_: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 19:45.14 | jharrison | zed: I believe you can do this with dpkg-reconfigure dhcp3-server |
| 19:45.15 | flaco | streuner:one is fedora and the other one is debian |
| 19:45.19 | pipeline | asuffield: When you get into 90 and 99 minute discs, then you enter the dangerous realm of overburning. |
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| 19:45.20 | Nosf3ratu | Sorry, the SQL server is temporarily down. |
| 19:45.25 | zed | jharrison: i'll try |
| 19:45.33 | maw_ | valdyn, its not there |
| 19:45.45 | maw_ | oly kernel-common and settings |
| 19:45.55 | jharrison | zed: there should be an option that allows you to set which interface to listen on |
| 19:45.56 | zed | as you might have seen, when the dhcpd receives a request from the internet interface, it breaks the internet link, that's logic :) |
| 19:46.00 | ryan- | Total Capacity : 80:27:74 (362099 blocks, 707/812 MB) |
| 19:46.06 | ryan- | on a blank i just put in. |
| 19:46.15 | ryan- | 80 minute CD. |
| 19:46.16 | guest | ya i need help, after updateing debian i cn no longer access the root account. if someone could help me reaccess it i would appreciate it. |
| 19:46.38 | streuner | guest: you forgot the passwort or what? |
| 19:46.44 | guest | nope |
| 19:46.52 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 19:46.54 | guest | it says root login is not aloowed |
| 19:46.55 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kernel-source sid |
| 19:46.56 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7167-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1360 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB |
| 19:46.58 | ryan- | if using a .bin/.cue to burn, it can fit a 812MB .bin _WITHOUT_ overburing. |
| 19:46.59 | guest | allowed |
| 19:47.02 | benjamindees | guest, you're using Knoppix? |
| 19:47.11 | zed | jharrison: i ran dpkg-reconfigure dhcp3-server |
| 19:47.12 | pipeline | asuffield: On a 74 minute disc, you get 650M with 2048 byte sectors. On a 80 minute disc, you get 700M with 2048 byte sectors. Thats how their capacities are measured. The remainder of the 2352 byte sector is used for ECC data. Meaning that if you use a non-standard mode2 iso9660 filesystem, you can get 800M of usable space without breaking hardware compatibility (although software could be an issue) |
| 19:47.18 | zed | and entered my interface name |
| 19:47.19 | zed | but... |
| 19:47.25 | guest | mepis pro |
| 19:47.32 | zed | it still listens on 0.0.0.0:67 |
| 19:47.33 | asuffield | pipeline: you have your numbers wrong. you have been confused by marketdroids |
| 19:47.34 | streuner | #mepis |
| 19:47.40 | valdyn | maw_: grab from sid i think |
| 19:47.41 | streuner | !tell zed about enter |
| 19:47.42 | pipeline | asuffield: I'm afraid that I do not. |
| 19:47.56 | benjamindees | guest, try booting to runlevel 1, but yeah ask in #mepis |
| 19:47.59 | maw_ | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 19:48.04 | maw_ | isn't that correct? |
| 19:48.06 | guest | ok |
| 19:48.12 | zed | sorry streuner i will try to do it right now ;) |
| 19:48.16 | pipeline | asuffield: 75 blocks per second, 2048 bytes per sector. |
| 19:48.18 | maw_ | deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 19:48.21 | mattboll | guest: log in X or console too ? |
| 19:48.23 | ryan- | asuffield: then how do you explain the numbers `cdrdao disk-info` just gave me on a standared 80 minute blank. |
| 19:48.26 | streuner | maw: looks ok to me |
| 19:48.37 | maw_ | but still, Its not there |
| 19:49.31 | ryan- | zed: can you send your dhcpd.conf to a paste bot? (do not paste it here) |
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| 19:49.40 | guest | im not sure what you mean, i use the kde |
| 19:49.41 | streuner | maw_: ok, try another mirror then |
| 19:49.45 | valdyn | maw_: get it from sid, thats unstable, ( http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 19:50.00 | paulswm | guest: mepis is not debian, ask in #mepis |
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| 19:50.10 | neoxite | i haven't found an mldonkey package on the packages site, so there there is none? |
| 19:50.12 | guest | ok |
| 19:50.14 | jharrison | zed: hhmmmm |
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| 19:50.26 | streuner | neoxite: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:50.27 | valdyn | !info mldonkey-server sarge |
| 19:50.36 | valdyn | !info mldonkey-server sid |
| 19:50.41 | dpkg | mldonkey-server: (Door to the 'donkey' network), section net, is optional. Version: 2.5.28-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2268 kB, Installed size: 6028 kB |
| 19:51.00 | paster | "zed" at 81.56.223.112 pasted "dhcpd.conf" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/372 |
| 19:51.02 | valdyn | neoxite: its appearantly not in sarge |
| 19:51.11 | zed | done |
| 19:51.16 | ireverentReveren | after googling, i am still at a loss as to how to get the multimedia keys on my dell inspiron laptop keyboard to work. any ideas where to look? |
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| 19:51.28 | redduck666 | how is a qt-devel package called in debian? |
| 19:51.38 | ryan- | zed: that looks fine. |
| 19:51.38 | streuner | ireverentReveren: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 19:51.53 | streuner | ireverentReveren: they usually have some nice tips there |
| 19:52.00 | ryan- | your dhcp client is picking up a lease from the server? |
| 19:52.05 | benjamindees | ireverentReveren, Dell has a good Linux support forum too |
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| 19:52.19 | ireverentReveren | yeah, i was at the first site, i'll check the second... |
| 19:52.24 | prahal | redduck666: libqt-dev |
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| 19:52.29 | ireverentReveren | benjamindees thanks, i'll look for that, too |
| 19:52.47 | jharrison | zed: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/dchp.htm |
| 19:52.47 | redduck666 | prahal, thanks |
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| 19:52.47 | jharrison | zed: that explains it |
| 19:52.55 | jharrison | zed: read the part about multiple nics |
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| 19:53.07 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: thats acpi key? apt-get install acpid ; tail -f /var/log/acpid .. hit keys and see if that log shows something |
| 19:53.11 | ryan- | asuffield: hello? |
| 19:53.15 | prahal | redduck666: don't forget to use : export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 before compiling (most autconf are too old for qt3) |
| 19:53.59 | addNtoX | ireverentReveren: maybe http://lineak.sourceforge.net/ is what you need |
| 19:53.59 | zed | maybe option ip-forwarding off; can by an answer to my problems ? |
| 19:54.11 | ryan- | um |
| 19:54.22 | ireverentReveren | valdyn it might be.. i am working on getting volume control working |
| 19:54.28 | ryan- | that linux home networking info looks wrong |
| 19:54.37 | ryan- | I have run a DHCP server on multiple interfaces. |
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| 19:54.54 | ningo | !test |
| 19:54.55 | dpkg | Yes, ningo, you're still online. |
| 19:55.13 | zed | i configurer things as i thought it would work :) |
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| 19:55.21 | valdyn | ireverentReveren: thats acpi keys on my ibm notebook, no idea about dells stuff |
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| 19:55.58 | zed | do you think that it's because it is a wireless interface, so he can't listen for DHCP request on it (it shouldn't but who know s?) |
| 19:56.00 | guzu | hello all |
| 19:56.02 | ireverentReveren | valdyn the keys show when xev is pressed.... i am just working on getting them mappable in khotkeys |
| 19:56.06 | nvz | sawfish seems to refuse to match the links2 -g google.com from my ~/.xsession, anymore. I've logged in 6 times now and its come up windowed in workspace 1, when it should have came up ignored, skipped, with enter-exit focus at 640x480 in workspace 2, and 0,0 |
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| 19:56.26 | nvz | its annoying how unreliable these matched windows can be |
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| 19:56.52 | guzu | how can i upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 19:57.08 | streuner | !tell guzu about woody->sarge |
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| 19:57.34 | stdio_ | hi, i have some lilo problem : |
| 19:57.35 | stdio_ | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 19:57.35 | stdio_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.37 | stdio_ | Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
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| 19:57.54 | xoz | stdio_: using devfs? |
| 19:58.00 | stdio_ | dunno |
| 19:58.03 | streuner | stdio_: apt-get remove devfs udev |
| 19:58.04 | mikael_ | hello |
| 19:58.10 | stdio_ | ok |
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| 19:58.23 | plasmatics | how can i update my kernel? |
| 19:58.30 | stdio_ | Couldn't find package devfs |
| 19:58.31 | streuner | woody or sarge? |
| 19:58.38 | plasmatics | i have unstable |
| 19:58.42 | streuner | stdio_: dpkg -l udev? |
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| 19:58.46 | stdio_ | testing |
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| 19:58.58 | streuner | plasmatics: apt-cache search kernel-image-2. |
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| 19:59.01 | benjamindees | so who won the argument about cd size? :) |
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| 19:59.09 | plasmatics | streuner: thanks |
| 19:59.11 | pipeline | benjamindees: There's no argument :P |
| 19:59.17 | mikael_ | ntpdate starts each time during the boot process, how can I disable it ? I have looked for it in /etc/rc3 but there's nothing like ntpdate |
| 19:59.28 | maw_ | can I use tvout without the nvidia driver? |
| 19:59.38 | streuner | mikael_: man update-rc.d |
| 19:59.40 | xoz | mikael_: man update-rc.d |
| 19:59.44 | guzu | streuner, thnx! |
| 19:59.50 | pipeline | mikael_: make /etc/init.d/ntpdate non-executable and it just won't run :P |
| 19:59.55 | streuner | mikael_: and remove the symlink or just apt-get remove nptdate |
| 19:59.58 | mikael_ | xoz I know update-rc.d |
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| 20:00.20 | mikael_ | streuner there is no symlink that's what I meant |
| 20:00.50 | plasmatics | is kernel-image-2.6.8-9 the newest kernel? |
| 20:00.50 | pipeline | plasmatics: Does it matter? |
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| 20:01.01 | plasmatics | pipeLine: not really... |
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| 20:01.07 | mikael_ | pipeline I have nothing such as ntpdate in my /etc/rcX runlevels !!! |
| 20:01.13 | maw_ | 2.6.11 |
| 20:01.22 | pipeline | plasmatics: There are newer kernels available in unstable. There is a reason that those kernels aren't in testing. |
| 20:01.23 | TNKS | hey guys. I know pretty much how to use wireless-tools, but can someone tell me how to poll for available access points? |
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| 20:01.33 | pipeline | mikael_: /etc/init.d is not a runlevel. |
| 20:01.38 | plasmatics | pipeLine: ok |
| 20:01.43 | TNKS | I have things set up for auto-detection now, but sometimes there are many sources. |
| 20:02.07 | mikael_ | pipeline ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:02.11 | pipeline | plasmatics: For future use, I suggest you set a default release in apt.conf (or use pinning) and add the unstable sources, so that you can install unstable packages if you desire to do so. |
| 20:02.20 | mikael_ | pipeline I can see it now |
| 20:02.21 | pipeline | plasmatics: As far as the kernel, unless you have a specific reason to upgrade, stick with 2.6.8 :P |
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| 20:02.38 | plasmatics | pipeLine: ok thanks |
| 20:02.40 | pipeline | mikael_: now you're only a chmod a-x away |
| 20:02.51 | valdyn | TNKS: set the iwconfig <interface> mode ad-hoc && iwlist <interface> scanning , if I remember correctly |
| 20:02.55 | benjamindees | "80 minute CDRs can be oversized (sic) up to 734 MB Data and 842 MB audio" -- www.cdmediaworld.com |
| 20:03.06 | pipeline | plasmatics: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 20:03.15 | pipeline | plasmatics: pinning isn't supposed to be the best way to do it, but it's the way I do it. |
| 20:03.24 | pipeline | benjamindees: Yes, that's overburning, and that's what asuffield was condemning. |
| 20:03.25 | mikael_ | pipeline what is the difference between /etc/rcX/ and /etc/init.d/, is it when it's for standalone servers and others are run through init.d ? |
| 20:03.40 | plasmatics | pipeLine: ok thanks |
| 20:03.46 | stdio_ | hi, have some kernel - lilo problem can you help ? |
| 20:03.53 | pipeline | benjamindees: 80 minute CDRs hold 700M of data in mode 1, 800M of data in mode 2 (no ECC) |
| 20:04.01 | nvz | stdio_: not until you ask a proper question including the problem |
| 20:04.07 | pipeline | mikael_: the runlevels determine which /etc/init.d scripts are run |
| 20:04.09 | stdio_ | dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.11_studio.01_i386.deb |
| 20:04.12 | stdio_ | An error occurred while running lilo in test mode ... |
| 20:04.14 | pipeline | mikael_: They are sets of softlinks |
| 20:04.21 | paulswm | mikael_: I'l documented in the debian reference manual. init.d contains the scripts, rc?.d contain likns to those scripts |
| 20:04.29 | paulswm | s/I'l/It's/ |
| 20:04.38 | pipeline | mikael_: On debian, runlevels 2, 3, and 4 are identical by default, but they are provided for the system administrator's convenience |
| 20:04.40 | benjamindees | pipeline, okay, so you won I guess :) |
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| 20:04.51 | pipeline | benjamindees: I didn't win anything, that's just the fact of the matter :P |
| 20:05.16 | nvz | stdio_: thats irrelevant information, and there is no package called kernel-image-2.6.11_studio.01_i386.deb that I know of |
| 20:05.23 | TNKS | valdyn, thanks; I forgot about iwlist. |
| 20:05.27 | stdio_ | i made it |
| 20:05.35 | stdio_ | debian way |
| 20:05.43 | nvz | stdio_: well it helps to say that, and give the error not the warning |
| 20:05.44 | mikael_ | pipeline paulswm yes, thak you very much |
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| 20:06.17 | stdio_ | nvz: if i run lilo : Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory |
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| 20:06.42 | nvz | stdio_: are you compiling a kernel for more than one system i.e. for a live cd? |
| 20:06.53 | stdio_ | nvz: no |
| 20:07.03 | benjamindees | pipeline, so an .iso file contains the (redundant) ecc data already or is that added by cdrecord? |
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| 20:07.19 | nvz | stdio_: then you should have removed initrd support, and compiled in the drivers for your rootfs and the controller that drive conects to |
| 20:07.26 | pipeline | benjamindees: an iso file usually does not, but sometimes it does. |
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| 20:08.00 | pipeline | benjamindees: If it does not, the data will be added by the CD writer. I don't think it's done at the software level. |
| 20:08.01 | stdio_ | nvz: thats in make .config right ? |
| 20:08.02 | nvz | stdio_: initrd is typically used to preload modules for the root filesystem to be mounter, if you compile yourself, you do so to avoid doing things like this |
| 20:08.12 | sieve2 | Hi. I need help on troubleshooting swf-player plugin for firefox (+galeon) on sarge/sid. |
| 20:08.12 | sieve2 | I installed swf-player (apt-get) but firefox about:plugins says "No plug-ins are installed". |
| 20:08.12 | sieve2 | mozilla-firefox: 1.0.1-2, swf-player: 0.3.4-1 |
| 20:08.15 | pipeline | benjamindees: CD drives are expected to have a surprisingly large amount of intelligence in the device |
| 20:08.16 | nvz | stdio_: you do not use make config when doing it the debian way |
| 20:08.30 | benjamindees | pipeline, yes that would be suprising |
| 20:08.30 | jlj_ | does anyone know what might cause a network connection between two debian systems to slow to a crawl when using a switch (barely pings) but working fine without it (ie a direct line) |
| 20:08.40 | nvz | stdio_: you do something like make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage |
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| 20:08.49 | pipeline | benjamindees: Like, when cdrecord chooses a burn mode, it chooses either 2048 or 2352 byte sectors (or, if its daring, raw modes) |
| 20:09.01 | benjamindees | pipeline, perhaps there should be LinCDR's :) |
| 20:09.01 | pipeline | benjamindees: if it chooses 2048 byte sectors, its the writer's responsibility to handle ecc and subchannel data |
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| 20:09.10 | stdio_ | nvz: make-kpkg --revision "studio.01" kernel_image |
| 20:09.14 | pipeline | benjamindees: There already are, they're called "Plextor SCSI" |
| 20:09.22 | stdio_ | nvz: and dpkg -i |
| 20:09.40 | benjamindees | pipeline, bah! Plextors are expensive! |
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| 20:09.49 | nvz | stdio_: well buildpackage, gives you all 4 debs, its up to you if you want it that way, I advise it so you have the docs, source and headers as well in case you need something later. |
| 20:10.06 | nvz | stdio_: and the --config and --rootcmd I advise in any case |
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| 20:10.35 | stdio_ | nvz: ok, i try and come back, thanks |
| 20:10.50 | nvz | stdio_: f.e. if you have a problem later you may need the docs or source to ref or compile again, and you will need the headers if you need to build a driver later |
| 20:11.14 | nvz | stdio_: you use --rootcmd=fakeroot, so you dont have to be root to compile. |
| 20:11.18 | ireverentReveren | how do i change the volume from command line with a single command? ie so i can map it to a single keypress? |
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| 20:11.36 | benjamindees | speaking of, can I like sue HP or something for my $300 dvd burner that has died a week after the warranty expired? |
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| 20:11.49 | nvz | stdio_: take out initrd support, and make _sure_ support for your root fs and disk controller are compiled *in* that means <*> not <m> |
| 20:12.18 | Crater | benjamindees: the way they go youd think they were built to do that, always just afrter warranty expires |
| 20:12.41 | stdio_ | nvz: --config takes me to ncurses menuconfig right ? |
| 20:12.47 | nvz | stdio_: I like to do all this in a screen session, so I can run make-kpkg --config=menuconfig ... in one and then run lspci and dmesg in others to cross-ref for help on configuration |
| 20:13.06 | nvz | stdio_: you have to specify menuconfig or whatever config type |
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| 20:13.47 | nvz | stdio_: plus if you decide to leave while its working, you can logout and screen will keep it all going in the background, detached |
| 20:13.53 | stdio_ | nvz: no, i just made new 2.6 .config |
| 20:14.12 | benjamindees | Crater, yes I noticed there's a class action for some other HP drives suspiciously failing, just not mine |
| 20:14.16 | nvz | stdio_: if you already have a config, its --config=oldconfig IIRC read the manpage |
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| 20:14.24 | stdio_ | nvz: yeah, i like screen :) |
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| 20:14.55 | nvz | stdio_: well pull it all together and build kernels the smart way :) |
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| 20:15.27 | stdio_ | nvz: so icould do now make-kpkg --config=oldconfig |
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| 20:15.50 | nvz | stdio_: screen make-kpkg --config=oldconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot --revision "studio.01" buildpackage |
| 20:15.57 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 20:16.14 | nvz | stdio_: thats if you've gone in and made sure its all right, and initrd has been remove, and all the right modules are compiled _in) |
| 20:17.14 | SuperNull | any one ever use hostap ? |
| 20:17.17 | stdio_ | nvz: you said make menuconfig is not debial way, you just vim .config and change initrd ? |
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| 20:17.27 | nvz | stdio_: buildpackage implies the clean and binary targets, which cleans the source dir, and also makes the targets kernel_headers kernel_image kernel_source and kernel_docs |
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| 20:18.04 | nvz | stdio_: usage of "make" in any fashion is not the debian way. make-kpkg has a --config option, and it also has patch, clean and other options.. it is a one-liner kernel tool |
| 20:18.12 | ArchitectSinan | i've got a fresh installed woody 3.0r2 now. I want to add something to my kernel. (my kernel is 2.4.18-bf2.4) and i've got all of 7cds. Which package i should select from "dselect" ? |
| 20:18.46 | nvz | stdio_: if you wish to use vim instead of a configure frontend, there is a --config target for that as well, I believe it is called oldconfig, but I am not certain, as I configure with menuconfig |
| 20:19.12 | nvz | stdio_: because menuconfig has <help> which allows you to cross ref the kernel docs while configuring |
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| 20:19.40 | benjamindees | ArchitectSinan, probably none of them, what do you want to "add" to your kernel? |
| 20:19.43 | redduck666 | i'm trying to compile new kernel and when doing make xconfig i get some kind of error. according to digital hemit there are 2 things i haven0t installed yet quota-tools and isdn4k-utils. apt-get doesn't seem to find those. my question is how are those packages named in debian |
| 20:19.44 | nvz | stdio_: I walk through all settings in menuconfig and consider them carefully cross-ref the lspci and dmesg output as well as the kernel docs and <help> if I am unsure |
| 20:20.09 | stdio_ | nvz: INITRD=m ? |
| 20:20.17 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: i want to add "tulip" network card adapter support to my kernel |
| 20:20.23 | nvz | stdio_: you want to unset initrd completly |
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| 20:20.29 | stdio_ | nvz: ok |
| 20:20.32 | benjamindees | ArchitectSinan, modprobe tulip && lsmod |
| 20:20.41 | nvz | stdio_: I dont know how to do that stuff, because I have always used menuconfig.. I guess you just comment it out |
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| 20:21.21 | Iwrite | Will someone please tell me the command to get back into setup? It's destell or destall or.... |
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| 20:21.24 | maw_ | nvidia tvout to dpkg doesn't work :( |
| 20:21.29 | zuralin | deselect? |
| 20:21.39 | maw_ | dpkg rumour has it, tvout is getting X on your tvout for nvidia ask nvidia tvout |
| 20:21.39 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, maw_ |
| 20:21.57 | zuralin | dselect? |
| 20:22.04 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: thank you. ok you're redirecting me to "module" version. Do you think that i'll never need to compile a kernel ? i mean i can find all kernel feautures as modules ? |
| 20:22.14 | prahal | redduck666: make xconfig do not require quota or isdn tools ... |
| 20:22.19 | Iwrite | zuralin: Thanks. I'll try that.:^) |
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| 20:22.27 | zuralin | iwrite, install aptitude |
| 20:22.36 | prahal | redduck666: what are your errors (please paste in #flood if it is long) |
| 20:22.46 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: i mean i'm sure this time the module version will solve my problem. but what if i need to recompile my kernel in future ? |
| 20:22.50 | stdio_ | nvz: yep, i did, got error, trying make clean first |
| 20:22.54 | benjamindees | ArchitectSinan, that's the first place to look |
| 20:23.04 | nvz | stdio_: buildpackage implies clean |
| 20:23.17 | nvz | stdio_: ffs, stop using make if you are doing it the debian-way (tm) |
| 20:23.21 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: ok thanks again :) |
| 20:23.22 | benjamindees | ArchitectSinan, I'm not the best one to give advice on building kernels in Debian at the moment |
| 20:23.26 | nvz | stdio_: read the make-kpkg manpage |
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| 20:23.46 | prahal | redduck666: to find tools you can do "apt-get search isdn4" for example |
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| 20:23.59 | zuralin | its apt-cache search |
| 20:24.02 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: ok :) i just want to learn friend. please don't take me as "Mr Knowitall" :) |
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| 20:24.30 | redduck666 | prahal, http://www.pastebin.com/263083 |
| 20:24.36 | ArchitectSinan | benjamindees: thanks again for directing me :) |
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| 20:25.02 | Iwrite | Why does boot message(s) show "eth1" when I have only eth0, and set it up with tulip driver during install? |
| 20:25.09 | nvz | stdio_: I find it easiest to use menuconfig, because I can go straight down the list, and when I see an option, I look in my current kernel logs such as dmesg, and see if I have it, and if that doesnt help, I read the <help> or the kernel docs. and it leaves out risk of typos in the configs |
| 20:25.33 | benjamindees | ArchitectSinan, oh I'm not, just that there are better places to learn about building kernels, especially Debian-specific ways, than from me at the moment |
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| 20:26.09 | pipeline | ArchitectSinan: I'm the resident don't-build-kernels troll. Is there a specific reason that you're building a kernel? |
| 20:26.12 | nvz | stdio_: screen make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot --revision "studio.01" buildpackage; cd ..; su dpkg -i *studio.01*.deb |
| 20:26.20 | nvz | stdio_: its a oneliner that never fails :P |
| 20:26.21 | pipeline | Iwrite: An excellent question. Are you using d-i? |
| 20:26.30 | nvz | stdio_: though I suppose you should never say never |
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| 20:27.47 | prahal | redduck666: dude your qt install is broken ! .... ahve you pinned some packages to do partial upgrades ? |
| 20:27.48 | ArchitectSinan | pipeline: :) thanks for answering me. Nope, i don't have any specific reason yet. But i want to be "prepared for war" if someday i had to face-to-face with the enemy :) |
| 20:27.54 | Iwrite | pipeline: d-i=?? |
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| 20:28.18 | redduck666 | prahal, afaik i only used apt-get |
| 20:28.21 | sirio | Iwrite: debian-installer |
| 20:28.37 | redduck666 | prahal, how can i fix my qt? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:29.28 | prahal | redduck666: could you try a make clean before retrying (and also i miss the top of the error logs in the paste) |
| 20:29.47 | ArchitectSinan | Another question: We still have to use dotdeb.org's "unofficieal" .deb files for PHP5, MySql4.1 support in our boxes ? Isn'ti it ? |
| 20:29.55 | Agra | I passed '-b' to boot into rescue mode, but need to run apt-get upgrade, so I must remount filesystem read/write. Please, how to do this? |
| 20:30.10 | redduck666 | phaethon, this is all that shows in my terminal after executing make xconfig |
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| 20:30.36 | redduck666 | prahal, this is all that shows in my terminal after executing make xconfig |
| 20:30.44 | ArchitectSinan | btw, excuse me for my silly typos |
| 20:30.44 | Iwrite | sirio: Thanks. |
| 20:30.51 | sirio | Iwrite: yw |
| 20:30.53 | redduck666 | will try make clean |
| 20:31.04 | pipeline | ArchitectSinan: Well, compiling a kernel is a real bear, and there's no reason to do it. It's fun to do it once, but I don't recommend it :P |
| 20:31.14 | pipeline | ArchitectSinan: I haven't compiled a kernel in nearly a year, and I'm doggone proud of it. |
| 20:31.15 | ireverentReveren | if i want to run a command every time the computer is turned on, where do i put the command? |
| 20:31.19 | Iwrite | At least, I think 3 weeks of install failures by 3 distros is enough. |
| 20:31.21 | pipeline | Iwrite: The new installer, that doesn't suck terribly. |
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| 20:31.32 | prahal | redduck666: you have nothing like "scripts/kconfig/qconf arch/i386/Kconfig" ? |
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| 20:31.56 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: You add a script to /etc/init.d, then you put appropriate symlinks into the runlevel directories (/etc/rc2.d, /etc/rc3.d, /etc/rc4.d) |
| 20:32.08 | ireverentReveren | pipeline, thank you |
| 20:32.15 | redduck666 | prahal, bash: scripts/kconfig/qconf: No such file or directory? |
| 20:32.23 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: The name of the symlink in the runlevel directory determines what order they're executed in |
| 20:32.28 | Kempston | when i login to the system is says Last login: Sat Mar 26 21:16:06 2005 from max3-32.dialup.farlep.net TWICE. where can i edit that ? |
| 20:32.33 | Iwrite | pipeline: I've been using RH9. Know nothing of Debian, except its 2.2 kernel seems to work better than RH/CentOS 2.4 on my dated hardware. |
| 20:32.33 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: S20Foo is executed before S21Bar |
| 20:32.38 | ArchitectSinan | pipeline: thx, i'll keep in mind that all :) |
| 20:32.40 | ireverentReveren | pipeline can i just edit an existing script? all i want to run is a single command... |
| 20:32.43 | pipeline | Iwrite: Debian and Redhat use roughly the same init system. |
| 20:32.54 | pipeline | Iwrite: Oh, you're using woody? |
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| 20:33.02 | notebook | what program can I use to open rar files? |
| 20:33.04 | pipeline | Iwrite: That's probably not a great idea -- woody may not be around much longer. |
| 20:33.08 | pipeline | notebook: install unrar-nonfree |
| 20:33.15 | pipeline | notebook: and file-roller |
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| 20:33.23 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: You should not edit an existing script. |
| 20:33.32 | notebook | apt-cache search unrar ; shows nothing |
| 20:33.35 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: SysV-style init expects everything to be in a separate script. |
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| 20:33.44 | Agra | ireverentReveren: You can create a catchall 'run after everything' script of your own that gets executed last, that's what I do |
| 20:33.47 | ireverentReveren | pipeline i was just hoping... thanks though |
| 20:33.51 | pipeline | notebook: Are you using sarge? do you have non-free enabled in your sources.list? |
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| 20:33.58 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: Making a script isn't as hard as it sounds. |
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| 20:34.07 | prahal | redduck666: try rm /usr/src/linux/scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck (it was not a file i was asking, just a message) |
| 20:34.09 | notebook | pipeline: yes, using sarge; oh, forgot non-free; got it; thanks |
| 20:34.10 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: Just put "#!/bin/sh" on the first line, then put a list of commands you want executed, one per line |
| 20:34.15 | meff | would any of you happen to know why the font openoffice is displaying is always one size above the font i pick in gnome's font chooser? its driving me crazy :x |
| 20:34.21 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: then make it executable with chmod a+x |
| 20:34.27 | ireverentReveren | pipeline, i know, but it seems silly to write a new one just to run "lineakd&" |
| 20:34.33 | Iwrite | pipeline: I ordered 3.1 Debian Bible from Wiley Publishing in Aug., 2004. Their latest projected delivery date is May, 2005. I thought it was time to try d/l-ing install CDs. Boy. What a(nother) "good idea.:^/ |
| 20:34.58 | pipeline | Iwrite: hmm, if I were you, I would install sarge, and I would do it with the modern installer. |
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| 20:35.01 | tullyan | hi |
| 20:35.12 | tullyan | anyone out there? |
| 20:35.17 | pipeline | tullyan: no. |
| 20:35.18 | redduck666 | prahal, currently i am doing apt-get upgrade, should i anyway remove that file? |
| 20:35.27 | Kempston | 767 peolpe in the chan |
| 20:35.33 | Agra | ireverentReveren: I tend to agree somewhat with you, it would sort of be nice if there was a generic place for non-super-experts to just plonk those coupla commands they need to run at startup |
| 20:35.52 | tullyan | I need some help |
| 20:35.55 | Iwrite | pipeline: Sarge is what? 3.1? |
| 20:35.59 | tullyan | is there anyone |
| 20:36.08 | pipeline | Iwrite: I think so, I'm not sure about version *numbers* :P |
| 20:36.10 | tullyan | , who would like to help me |
| 20:36.11 | prahal | redduck666: yes if you want (or you can retry make xconfig after the upgrade ut if it still fails rm this file) |
| 20:36.15 | pipeline | Iwrite: Read the message from the bot :P |
| 20:36.43 | Iwrite | pipeline: Thanks. It's _definitely_ time to nap, and start fresh in a couple of hours.:^) |
| 20:36.46 | Agra | anybody know how to remount root fs read/write? Or how to read man pages when root fs is read only ? :| |
| 20:36.47 | pipeline | Agra, ireverentReveren: That's the idea behind sysV init: Take the voodoo out of proprietary init systems. |
| 20:36.50 | redduck666 | prahal, thanks for your help |
| 20:36.59 | ArchitectSinan | i'm going to install PHP5 and MySql4.1 from "http://www.dotdeb.org". When you type the www.dotdeb.org you can see the instructions saying add our "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./ |
| 20:37.03 | ArchitectSinan | sorry :( |
| 20:37.04 | pipeline | Agra, ireverentReveren: You could just create a "S99rc.local" script and dump your stuff in it, if you're hellbent on that. |
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| 20:37.30 | prahal | redduck666: please tell me if it fix the issue (i used it a year ago and though the problem was fixed as i was unable to reproduce it , it may be what has happened to you |
| 20:37.41 | Iwrite | Appears I'm going to need them all, just to get a working OS back on my workstation. |
| 20:37.45 | Iwrite | BBL. |
| 20:37.54 | ArchitectSinan | i'm going to write it again |
| 20:37.57 | valdyn | Agra: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdaX |
| 20:38.04 | Agra | pipeline: yes, we do, but the trouble is that to do that, you first must decipher the whole SysV arrangement |
| 20:38.12 | Agra | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:38.29 | pipeline | Decipher? it's pretty doggone simple compared to poring over the mess of rc scripts in old-school proprietary systems ;_; |
| 20:38.42 | scarynetworkguy | !be learning barbie |
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| 20:39.19 | redduck666 | prahal, is it urgent? i thought to wait till upgrade completes, but if you are ih hurry i can try straight away |
| 20:39.21 | scarynetworkguy | In that case. |
| 20:39.26 | scarynetworkguy | !be reading barbie |
| 20:39.27 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 20:39.29 | Agra | pipeline: I'm sure that's true, but its still requiring the user to figure out more than they often really need or want to know |
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| 20:39.45 | ArchitectSinan | i'm going to install PHP5 and MySql4.1 from "http://www.dotdeb.org". When you type the www.dotdeb.org you can see the instructions saying add our "deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./" to your "/etc/apt/sources.list" file. But i don't want to do this installation process with "apt-get" command. i want to download all the .deb files (and their structure) to a CD and use it whenever i want. How can i install these .deb files manually |
| 20:40.00 | citral | !be scarynetworkguy barbie |
| 20:40.00 | dpkg | it has been said that be scarynetworkguy barbie is trusting is HARD |
| 20:40.05 | struct | how do i get the Recommended and Suggested packages list for a package that is already installed? |
| 20:40.05 | citral | htmf |
| 20:40.15 | scarynetworkguy | Hehe. |
| 20:40.20 | caphuso | struct: apt-cache show |
| 20:40.22 | Agra | ArchitectSinan: dpkg --install whatever.deb |
| 20:40.22 | scarynetworkguy | I didn't even know I had a barbie. |
| 20:40.28 | pipeline | Agra: See the barbie comment. It was done in order to avoid teaching users things. |
| 20:40.35 | ArchitectSinan | Agra: it's that easy ? |
| 20:40.43 | mlalkaka | can anyone help me setup exim to deliver mail over the internet? i already ran 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'. but i'm now getting this error in my log file: "1DF0mf-0003n7-V4 gsmtp171-2.google.com [64.233.171.114]: Connection timed out..... 1DF0mf-0003n7-V4 == mlalkaka@gmail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out" |
| 20:40.49 | prahal | redduck666: no this box is connected 24/24 , i ll log the channel , this is just a wish (you already helped me by showing make xconfig ccan still break so it may be reproducable in the end |
| 20:40.52 | struct | caphuso: that shows just the dependencies |
| 20:41.06 | caphuso | struct: then the package in question doesn't have any recommends and suggests |
| 20:41.17 | struct | it did when i installed it |
| 20:41.21 | ArchitectSinan | Agra: i mean i don't need to do the "dependency" problems ? |
| 20:41.35 | citral | scarynetworkguy: now you have one :) |
| 20:41.46 | struct | stl-manual was one of them. i don't remember the rest. |
| 20:41.49 | struct | the package in question is g++. |
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| 20:42.03 | Agra | ArchitectSinan: well dpkg will tell you if the dependencies aren't met :) |
| 20:42.07 | plugwash | why the heck is the sarge apache 1.x package depending on apache2-utils? |
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| 20:42.13 | ArchitectSinan | Agra: i mean i don't need to do anything to not to face "dependency" problems ? |
| 20:42.21 | ArchitectSinan | agra: superb :) thanks |
| 20:42.31 | streuner | plugwash: heh? |
| 20:42.31 | caphuso | struct: g++ does not have any recommended or suggested packages |
| 20:42.32 | valdyn | mlalkaka: you have a dynamic ip? |
| 20:42.58 | plugwash | streuner thats what apt is telling me |
| 20:43.11 | struct | caphuso: it recommended some *-doc packages and stl-manual despite what it says on packages.debian.org. weird. |
| 20:43.15 | streuner | !depends apache sarge |
| 20:43.17 | dpkg | apache: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), mime-support, apache-common (>= 1.3.33-4), apache-common (<< 1.3.34-0), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), logrotate (>= 3.5.4-1), dpkg (>> 1.9.0), libmagic1, debconf |
| 20:43.21 | Agra | ArchitectSinan: as I understand things, all the intelligence to automaticly or semiautomaticly resolve dependency requirements is in dselct/apt/synaptic, all dpkg will do is choke if it doesn't find what it needs |
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| 20:43.31 | caphuso | struct: you're wrong. probably one of its dependancies did |
| 20:43.35 | struct | oh well. i guess i can just install them as i need them. |
| 20:43.35 | streuner | plugwash: which package should that be? |
| 20:43.42 | mlalkaka | valdyn, no my ip is almost always static |
| 20:43.59 | struct | caphuso: oh, maybe. |
| 20:44.00 | mlalkaka | valdyn, but i also set up a dns name for my ip that is dynamically updated |
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| 20:44.08 | plugwash | !depends apache-common sarge |
| 20:44.09 | dpkg | apache-common: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), mime-support, debconf (>= 1.4.22), apache2-utils, sed (>= 4.0.5-1), ucf (>= 1.06), lynx | www-browser |
| 20:44.15 | ArchitectSinan | agra: then everything should be in the .deb file |
| 20:44.25 | plugwash | sorry the dependency was from apache-common not apache itself |
| 20:44.30 | plugwash | its definately there though |
| 20:44.45 | valdyn | mlalkaka: "almost always" isnt useful in this, use your ISPs smarthost |
| 20:44.58 | struct | caphuso: thanks for the hint. i can probably figure it out from here. |
| 20:45.03 | mlalkaka | valdyn, what's a smarthost? |
| 20:45.04 | exobyte | could a pii 350 do 100mbyte/s AES encryption/decryption, or would I need a hardware accelerator? |
| 20:45.17 | Agra | ArchitectSinan: the dependency info for each package resides in the .deb file itself, yes |
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| 20:45.30 | joris_ | exobyte: it can't. |
| 20:45.33 | valdyn | mlalkaka: a mail relay, your isps smtp server |
| 20:45.36 | RichiH | exobyte: i would say it can not |
| 20:45.57 | exobyte | joris_: about how much do you think it could do? |
| 20:45.58 | valdyn | mlalkaka: so your mail goes you > isp smtp server > target, instead of directly |
| 20:46.03 | RichiH | exobyte: perhaps #crypto can help you with hard numbers |
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| 20:46.11 | joris_ | exobyte: try 'openssl speed' |
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| 20:46.25 | joris_ | or 'openssl speed aes' |
| 20:46.27 | Agra | ArchitectSinan: which *does not* mean that you will automaticly get told all the packages you need (the dependencies may have dependencies...) |
| 20:46.32 | mlalkaka | mlalkaka, oh. but wouldnt using my own dns name be enough? my ip has the dns name mlalkaka.no-ip.com |
| 20:46.34 | exobyte | joris_: thx |
| 20:46.34 | RichiH | exobyte: also, #openbsd is a great place to look for hardware encryption cards |
| 20:46.43 | mlalkaka | valdyn, , oh. but wouldnt using my own dns name be enough? my ip has the dns name mlalkaka.no-ip.com |
| 20:47.10 | exobyte | RichiH: yeah, but once you mention that you don't buy the cds they ban you |
| 20:47.14 | mwilson | Man, for a Saturday, it's quiet in here. |
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| 20:47.20 | valdyn | mlalkaka: i doubt that that would be a good idea. Some destinations might accept your mail, some might not, thats not what you want |
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| 20:47.31 | mlalkaka | valdyn, mlalkaka.no-ip.com is updated every 5 minutes to point to my ip address, which only changes once every 6 months\ |
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| 20:47.50 | RichiH | exobyte: they do? didn't use to. oh well :( |
| 20:47.52 | xuser | Has anyone got the wheel working on a serial mouse? |
| 20:47.53 | mlalkaka | valdyn, why would some destinations not accept my mail? |
| 20:47.54 | ArchitectSinan | agra: i got it. Then http://packages.dotdeb.org/Packages.gz file is needed by "apt" database. just to know what this apt source has in it |
| 20:47.56 | deadcat | mwilson: springbreak (= |
| 20:48.06 | valdyn | mlalkaka: to protect themselves from potential spam hosts |
| 20:48.12 | exobyte | RichiH: ok, they don't ,but they still get pissed |
| 20:48.15 | RichiH | mwilson: they are hiding their troll eggs for us to find tomorrow |
| 20:48.31 | RichiH | exobyte: yah, well, they get money from their cds.. ;) |
| 20:48.45 | manduca | I have an odd problem: gnome is currently freezing on the splash screen (where it says "debian" and shows icons as they load) without loading any icons, for my primary user account. However, for other users, it's loading just fine. .gnome-errors isn't reporting anything. Any ideas on what might be going wrong? |
| 20:48.46 | RichiH | exobyte: and there is a reason they copyright the layout of the disks ;) |
| 20:49.06 | mlalkaka | valdyn, oh. but what makes my mta different from any other mta? |
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| 20:49.34 | mlalkaka | valdyn, what i mean is how can i act as a legitimate smtp server |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn | mlalkaka: that it has a dynamic ip, that its dns resolves to a dynamic ip dns service |
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| 20:50.19 | valdyn | mlalkaka: get a real static ip and a real static dns entry ( dont know details ) |
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| 20:50.43 | mlalkaka | valdyn, ok. what if i use my actual ip address with no dns name? |
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| 20:51.28 | valdyn | mlalkaka: then destinations will refuse to accept mail because reverse dns lookup doesnt work or doesnt resolve in an acceptable way.. |
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| 20:51.52 | nessuno | hello |
| 20:51.53 | exobyte | RichiH: think a modern p4 could do that kind of crypto? |
| 20:52.03 | tony | iwconfig gives me no wireless extensions .. any thoughts? |
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| 20:52.42 | asynic | anyone know anything about mdadm and software raid? |
| 20:52.45 | valdyn | mlalkaka: your no-ip.com dns entry is also useless if reverse lookup of your ip shows something alont the line of: dialup1293.someisp.com |
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| 20:52.52 | mlalkaka | valdyn, alright. then i guess i'll put exim back to local delivery mail only. i thought i would be able to use it to send mail directly from my computer; a good project to work on, but oh well |
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| 20:53.17 | mlalkaka | valdyn, well i have a broadband connection |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn | mlalkaka: you can get exim to use your isps smtp server, thats it. |
| 20:53.52 | mlalkaka | valdyn, ok |
| 20:53.53 | valdyn | mlalkaka: try a reverse lookup on your ip |
| 20:54.05 | RichiH | exobyte: i think it might be able to do it, yes. but that's a gut feeling |
| 20:54.08 | mlalkaka | valdyn, how can i do a reverse lookup on my ip |
| 20:54.26 | pipeline | mlalkaka: nslookup |
| 20:54.27 | benjamindees | dig -x ip.address.here |
| 20:54.29 | manduca | I'm thinking that if I can clear out the Gnome user directory for my primary user then it will work fine (since other users can load just fine), and I've tried editing the session file, but have had no luck. Any ideas? |
| 20:54.30 | RichiH | exobyte: don't you have two boxes to test it? |
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| 20:54.47 | pipeline | manduca: What happens instead of it loading? |
| 20:54.52 | RichiH | exobyte: best way to be sure ;p |
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| 20:55.33 | manduca | pipeline: It just sits there on the screen saying "Debian" doing nothing; no icons showing loaded programs load. |
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| 20:56.12 | exobyte | RichiH: I'm playing with a xeon server now. We'll se how it does |
| 20:56.13 | pipeline | manduca: Are you using startx? |
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| 20:56.21 | RichiH | exobyte: :) |
| 20:56.33 | manduca | pipeline: but for other users, it shows the icons of programs loading (sawfish, etc.) and then moves into gnome. |
| 20:56.35 | exobyte | RichiH: too bad it's single cpu |
| 20:56.41 | mlalkaka | valdyn, well theres no mention of dial or dialup but it does mention my isp's name |
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| 20:57.17 | manduca | pipeline: I don't think so ... how would I know? |
| 20:57.21 | pipeline | manduca: Hmm, perhaps your saved gnome-session is broken? log in with a minimal session |
| 20:57.37 | pipeline | manduca: You would know if you were using that braindead script because you would type "startx" to get into X, |
| 20:57.44 | RichiH | exobyte: i am not sure how good you can run a single aes stream on smp anyway. overhead should eat a lot performance, i fear |
| 20:57.54 | manduca | pipeline: I've tried to log in using the "gnome: failsafe" with that user and it does the same thing. |
| 20:57.57 | pipeline | manduca: At any rate, you could try running "gnome-session-properties" while you're in a minimal session. |
| 20:58.01 | RichiH | exobyte: unless you have multiple connections, of course |
| 20:58.06 | manduca | pipeline: ah, ok, I"m not :) Just starting up gdm. |
| 20:58.08 | pipeline | manduca: No, use the "failsafe" session, the one that just gives you an xterm. |
| 20:58.14 | pipeline | manduca: gdm good, braindead script setup, bad. |
| 20:58.40 | mlalkaka | valdyn, pipeline: thanks for the help |
| 20:59.06 | exobyte | RichiH: looks like a nice xeon can pull half of what I ideally want |
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| 20:59.18 | RichiH | exobyte: ouch! |
| 20:59.21 | manduca | pipeline: OK, I'm going to go try that ... brb. Thanks for the advice. |
| 20:59.41 | RichiH | exobyte: in that case, dedicated cards will be cheaper than getting the generic power |
| 21:00.01 | exobyte | RichiH: probobly |
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| 21:03.45 | tamir | how i can use Proxy in apt-get ??? |
| 21:03.52 | manduca | pipeline: OK, using the failsafe I got an X-term with my primary account, but got errors running the "gnome-session-properties". |
| 21:04.03 | manduca | pipeline: So I ran gnome-session, and it started up a gnome session just fine. |
| 21:04.13 | pipeline | manduca: Heh, now would be the time to run gnome-session-properties |
| 21:04.31 | manduca | pipeline: running now. |
| 21:04.42 | pipeline | manduca: But can you log in normally? |
| 21:04.55 | tamir | how i can use Proxy in apt-get ??? |
| 21:05.15 | manduca | pipeline: Nope; I'm guessing I should try to change the settings, save it, and then try to log in normally again. |
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| 21:06.35 | manduca | pipeline: brb, going to try logging in again after re-saving session. |
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| 21:10.32 | Nolius | hello, do you know how to make a .deb of a mono based application? |
| 21:10.39 | Raf256 | can I extract a font like FreeMono into bitmaps and use it in my commercial closedsource game? |
| 21:10.47 | ArchitectSinan | yet another newbie question: I installed wu-ftpd on woody 3.0r2. I can connect locally but i can't connect from a remote machine. I can ofcourse ping the ftp server from the remote machine. I even can connect sshd of the server using a ssh client from the remote machine. I don't know if i have "tcpwrappers" thing. By the way i only know that "tcp wrappers" is a kind of firewall thing. In short, i lost. What should i check first |
| 21:10.50 | pipeline | Raf256: depends on the license. |
| 21:10.54 | pipeline | Raf256: Probably. |
| 21:11.07 | Raf256 | pipeline- for with fonts can I do it? I need PL_pl polih characteres |
| 21:11.20 | tamir | i success |
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| 21:11.24 | tamir | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.25 | tamir | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.31 | pipeline | Raf256: Find the license information about that specific font. |
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| 21:11.50 | tiago | hi guys! |
| 21:11.56 | manduca | pipeline: Nope, still can't log in normally, but logging in to x-term, and then running 'gnome-session' works. (though I can't log out as normal) |
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| 21:12.10 | pipeline | manduca: Ok, that's pretty freaking bizarre. Have you deleted all your saved sessions? |
| 21:12.43 | kyncani | ArchitectSinan: you may try to watch the logs (tail -f /var/log/messages) while connecting locally/remotely to your ftp server |
| 21:12.44 | Nolius | I want to make a .deb of my application : graphmonkey.sourceforge.net , can you help me? |
| 21:12.53 | manduca | pipeline: those would all be located in .gnome2, right? |
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| 21:13.00 | pipeline | manduca: What happens when you clobber ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome-desktop and ~/.gnome_private ? |
| 21:13.03 | albandy | server atreides.irc-hispano.org |
| 21:13.10 | pipeline | manduca: the saved sessions can be fiddled with through the sessions applet |
| 21:13.15 | manduca | pipeline: should those be recreated if they get removed? |
| 21:13.16 | ArchitectSinan | kyncani: ok let me check it |
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| 21:13.45 | tamir | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.56 | pipeline | manduca: You can just mv them instead of rm-ing them |
| 21:14.13 | manduca | pipeline: that's what I was thinking :) |
| 21:14.15 | tiago | my debian packages instalation is broken, ever showing me warnings when I use apt-get, how can I revert this problem? |
| 21:14.25 | pipeline | tiago: apt-get -f install |
| 21:14.42 | manduca | pipeline: brb, again. |
| 21:15.02 | ArchitectSinan | kyncani: found the problem thank you :) |
| 21:15.05 | Nolius | nobody know how to make a .deb of a mono based application? |
| 21:15.18 | kyncani | ArchitectSinan: the logs were helpful ? |
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| 21:16.45 | ArchitectSinan | kyncani: definitely :) |
| 21:17.05 | kyncani | ArchitectSinan: always check the logs i say ;) |
| 21:17.38 | tiago | pipeline, I'm using woody, is it safe to run apt-get dist-upgrade? It only update the packages that I have installed, right? |
| 21:17.45 | Nolius | bye bye |
| 21:17.52 | ArchitectSinan | kyncani: yeah i forgot that we had a huge, detailed log file :) thanks so much |
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| 21:18.26 | pipeline | tiago: It is indeed safe to upgrade from woody to sarge that way. |
| 21:18.40 | pipeline | tiago: Upgrades are almost always safe and reasonably easy to do. It's downgrades that are hairy and dangerous. |
| 21:19.05 | caphuso | tiago: note that using apt-get isn't recommended |
| 21:19.22 | tiago | caphuso, ? |
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| 21:19.47 | tiago | caphuso, which Can I use? |
| 21:20.14 | caphuso | tiago: aptitude is what the sarge release notes recommend, and dselect works reliably too |
| 21:20.33 | pipeline | caphuso: He's on woody. |
| 21:20.46 | caphuso | pipeline: yes |
| 21:20.47 | dvs | pipeline: so is dselect |
| 21:20.50 | tiago | caphuso, dselect is evil :), yes I'm using woody |
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| 21:20.55 | tamir | i want debian woody |
| 21:20.56 | tamir | i want debian woody |
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| 21:21.03 | dvs | you got it |
| 21:21.19 | kyncani | damn flooders :( |
| 21:21.21 | Rawplayer | !tell tamir about retard |
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| 21:21.28 | dvs | Rawplayer: He's gone |
| 21:21.33 | Rawplayer | and?:) |
| 21:21.42 | sinoth | he didn't even make sense T_T |
| 21:21.42 | Rawplayer | he gets it in private ;) |
| 21:21.50 | dvs | Rawplayer: In the wise word of the governor of Califonia.... |
| 21:21.57 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 21:22.03 | Rawplayer | "i'll be back" |
| 21:22.04 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 21:22.07 | dvs | ;-) |
| 21:22.29 | Rawplayer | i wanne meet him |
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| 21:24.04 | manduca | pipeline: nuking those directories didn't help, which is very odd. |
| 21:24.17 | pipeline | manduca: Uh, very odd indeed. |
| 21:24.18 | manduca | but I can still get into gnome via the failsafe terminal. |
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| 21:24.44 | pipeline | manduca: Clearly something is different here, but what? Perhaps you should just nuke your whole home directory and move the files you actually care about back to your new home directory ;) |
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| 21:25.25 | manduca | pipeline: Well, I'll keep fiddling ... |
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| 21:26.37 | manduca | Off to try a few more things. brb. |
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| 21:28.51 | tiago | caphuso, Im trying use apitude update and it shows me "W: Warning: could not lock the cache file...", idea? |
| 21:29.03 | caphuso | tiago: are you root? |
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| 21:29.08 | tiago | yeap |
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| 21:29.20 | gui1744 | How do I setup an internet connection |
| 21:29.22 | sinoth | tiago, usually means aptitude is open somewhere else, or you're performing an install somewhere else |
| 21:29.23 | pollywog | anyone here use VMWare? |
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| 21:29.27 | pollywog | on Debian |
| 21:29.31 | caphuso | tiago: do you have another aptitude/dpkg/apt-get running? |
| 21:29.33 | streuner | gu1744: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 21:29.40 | streuner | gui1744: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:30.03 | tiago | caphuso, ps aux, not shows me nothing |
| 21:30.12 | caphuso | tiago: no idea |
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| 21:30.26 | pollywog | hmm double negatives ;) |
| 21:30.26 | tiago | caphuso, np, thx |
| 21:30.38 | tmccrary | damn, gentooers are douche bags |
| 21:30.43 | tiago | caphuso, any lock file? |
| 21:30.47 | pollywog | hey be nice |
| 21:30.51 | gui1744 | how do i do that? |
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| 21:31.17 | caphuso | tiago: you could try strace to find out where exactly it got problems |
| 21:31.25 | streuner | gui1744: i guess you have an hardware-router, right? |
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| 21:31.41 | Marticus | hrm |
| 21:31.42 | jeanmi | while trying to compile freeswan modules, I am getting that /usr/src/kernel-source-xxx/Rules.make could not be found |
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| 21:31.48 | Overand | if you 'nice' a perl script, and the perl script goes out and executes a normal ELF binary, will that inheret the same nice level? |
| 21:31.52 | gui1744 | no |
| 21:31.54 | jeanmi | what is that file supposed to be ? |
| 21:31.59 | gui1744 | just dsl modem |
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| 21:32.04 | dvs | jeanmi: You're trying to compile 2.4 source code into a 2.6 kernel |
| 21:32.05 | jeanmi | is it generated by something ? |
| 21:32.11 | manduca | pipeline: one thing that's a bit odd: even after stopping gdm, I still see that a [nautilus] process is running under my primary user account's name from a month ago. |
| 21:32.13 | Marticus | there once was a package for a program that configured iptables to allow aim file transfers and direct chats through nat |
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| 21:32.14 | jeanmi | dvs probably yes |
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| 21:32.15 | kyncani | Overand: sure |
| 21:32.19 | Bonedigger | hello |
| 21:32.21 | Marticus | is there still such an animal? |
| 21:32.32 | jeanmi | dvs what should I do then ? |
| 21:32.41 | dvs | jeanmi: Get the 2.6 version of the source code |
| 21:33.08 | kyncani | Overand: did you really think you could escape a low priority that way ;) |
| 21:33.10 | Marticus | or am I going to need to look at socks4 |
| 21:33.12 | Bonedigger | i have this problem, probably a very common problem, to which i have no solution yet: i'm working in an xterm, and I mistakenly press C-s and it blocks, how can i disable that? |
| 21:33.13 | Marticus | or something |
| 21:33.25 | dvs | jeanmi: Or try and use module-assistant (and no, I haven't tried module-assistant myself) |
| 21:33.25 | streuner | gui1744: what modem do you have? (model) |
| 21:33.55 | gui1744 | speedstream 5360 |
| 21:34.09 | jeanmi | dvs m-a does not help |
| 21:34.11 | dvs | gui1744: Hey! Just like me! |
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| 21:34.18 | brullo | apt-get install fails : Sarge 2.6.8-2 KDE3.3 : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) What to do? I cant install anything |
| 21:34.22 | streuner | gui1744: ok, google for 'HOWTO speedstream 5360 linux' |
| 21:34.37 | Overand | kyncani: good point. |
| 21:34.42 | Marticus | is there an iptables solution for handling AIM file transfers through NAT? |
| 21:34.46 | Overand | and i'm not trying to escape it |
| 21:34.46 | streuner | gui1744: oh, dvs knows more about ;-) |
| 21:34.48 | Overand | heh |
| 21:34.49 | dvs | jeanmi: Then I don't know what you can do. |
| 21:34.59 | pollywog | anyone here use VMWare? |
| 21:35.00 | dvs | streuner: No, I use a Linksys router. |
| 21:35.02 | Overand | i'm trying to make sure this god awful hack job of an app doesn't hose the system its running on |
| 21:35.17 | streuner | dvs: same chipset? |
| 21:35.18 | brullo | pollywog, sure |
| 21:35.21 | manduca | pipeline: do you think killing that process ("[nautilus]") would help, or should I leave it alone? (it is running via my user account, not as root) |
| 21:35.31 | pollywog | Will VMWare even run on Debian? they don't mention it |
| 21:35.32 | dvs | streuner: I never caught the chipset. |
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| 21:35.39 | gui1744 | dvs: hod did you get yours going? |
| 21:35.49 | dvs | gui1744: I have a Linksys router. |
| 21:36.04 | jeanmi | lol, google is telling me that my computer is being infected by a virus ;) |
| 21:36.11 | Marticus | hrm, I think it was called reaim |
| 21:36.27 | brullo | pollywog, Never tried VMware running under Deb, got some GCC version conflicts then I tried it. |
| 21:36.32 | pollywog | I thought VMWare was priced at more than $300 but apparently it is $189 unless I can't read |
| 21:36.42 | pollywog | brullo: thanks |
| 21:36.46 | Bonedigger | any ideas on how to make xterm no block when i press Ctrl-S? |
| 21:36.57 | gui1744 | Hmmmm |
| 21:37.08 | pollywog | I will email VMWare and ask them about that |
| 21:37.19 | gui1744 | I should mention I'm useing MEPIS |
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| 21:37.30 | jeanmi | ever seen that before ? http://www.besnard.org/~besnard/google-virus.png |
| 21:37.38 | brullo | pollywog, But this was like a year ago...maybe they support Debian now. Check their online knowledge base. |
| 21:37.40 | sinoth | haha interesting, what does Ctrl-S even do besides own your xterm? |
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| 21:38.00 | pollywog | jeanmi it is an ad meant to scare Win users |
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| 21:38.23 | pollywog | brullo: thanks I will do that |
| 21:38.25 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here install ndiswrapper for their wireless card? |
| 21:38.28 | jeanmi | pollywog I guess so but by which means does google determine that I am infected ? |
| 21:38.31 | poonj | I'm having some trouble understanding the howto |
| 21:38.36 | poonj | on wiki that they have setup |
| 21:38.49 | pollywog | jeanmi no it cannot determine whether you are infected |
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| 21:38.58 | brullo | apt-get install <whatever> returns error code 2 for dpkg. Cant install anything Sarge 2.6. Any suggestions? |
| 21:39.02 | jeanmi | pollywog so what ? |
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| 21:39.04 | pollywog | they are using scare tactics to get your interest in their product |
| 21:39.05 | jeanmi | pollywog why me ? |
| 21:39.11 | sinoth | poonj, yes, what step are you having trouble with? |
| 21:39.13 | pipeline | manduca: Uh, that's pretty weird. Nautilus is the gnome file manager. Maybe that has something to do with it? |
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| 21:39.18 | pollywog | jeanmi they do it to everyone |
| 21:39.21 | poonj | actually |
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| 21:39.25 | poonj | I made a mistake sinoth |
| 21:39.28 | pollywog | I get them on freshly installed systems |
| 21:39.34 | poonj | I have to follow the debian sarge directions |
| 21:39.35 | jeanmi | pollywog oh, interesting |
| 21:39.37 | poonj | heh, I went ot the installdebian |
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| 21:39.41 | poonj | there is a installdebiansarge |
| 21:39.45 | poonj | let me go over that |
| 21:39.46 | jeanmi | pollywog is there really a virus on the net at the moment ? |
| 21:39.56 | manduca | pipeline: OK, so that is a bit odd. That process runs even when that user isn't logged in, and GDM isn't started. |
| 21:39.57 | pollywog | there are many viruses |
| 21:40.13 | kyncani | brullo: tried googling for that ? |
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| 21:40.22 | simonrvn | what's that site that lists the different distros again? www.distro-watch.com? |
| 21:40.23 | brullo | kyncani, yes |
| 21:40.27 | dabreegster | I want a small webserver to run on my box locally (not serving the Net). Something that can handle PHP and CGI stuff. What's recommended, apache or apache2? |
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| 21:40.54 | ireverentReveren | what package do i need to install to view encrypted dvds? |
| 21:41.03 | dabreegster | something simple and easy. |
| 21:41.38 | scorphus | should I tell iptables to drop connections to identd (port 113)? |
| 21:41.51 | dvs | !tell ireverentReveren about mplayer |
| 21:41.54 | manduca | dabreegster: I found apache to be pretty easy to install and setup. |
| 21:42.14 | manduca | dabreegster: (though I'm just a novice myself, so don't trust me) |
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| 21:42.26 | kyncani | simonrvn: distrowatch |
| 21:42.34 | simonrvn | got it. thanks |
| 21:42.44 | dabreegster | manduca: alright. thanks |
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| 21:43.03 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
| 21:43.25 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: You can get the library normally, even in the US, but you can't fully install it without reading that README file and understanding the implications |
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| 21:43.41 | dabreegster | manduca: is it hard to tell it to not talk to the outside and just serve localhost? |
| 21:44.00 | kyncani | scorphus: you should not ask, you should close every port and open them one by one later |
| 21:44.03 | brullo | kyncani, I have tried apt-get -f install .. no success |
| 21:44.06 | swatikiss | im trying to run programs on my desktop from this laptop ..but when i try to run an x program while ssh in i get " (gedit:14018): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display" |
| 21:44.10 | ireverentReveren | pipeline file doesnt exist |
| 21:44.23 | pipeline | ireverentReveren: you must not have libdvdread installed |
| 21:44.40 | kyncani | brullo: well, i don't know, you should ask the channel again. |
| 21:44.46 | pipeline | swatikiss: you need to enable X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server side |
| 21:44.49 | ireverentReveren | pipeline treying to install it now... |
| 21:44.52 | pipeline | swatikiss: and then use "ssh -X" instead of "ssh" |
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| 21:45.06 | pipeline | swatikiss: don't forget to restart the ssh daemon after editing sshd_config |
| 21:45.15 | manduca | dabreegster: Not sure. |
| 21:45.15 | swatikiss | pipeline, ok, is that an option on a text file ? |
| 21:45.18 | astronut | I have an interesting phenomenon....I recently was testing my computer's Wake-on-LAN capabilites. If my computer is shutdown midboot, I can wake it up with a magic packet. However, if I shutdown from within debian (sid), the WOL won't work. However, doing a "halt" at grub command line, and shutting down off a gentoo based livecd (sysrescue) both work... |
| 21:45.30 | scorphus | kyncani: butthat's what I'm doing, checking logs I've noticed lots of connections from a freenode irc server to port 113 |
| 21:45.39 | pipeline | swatikiss: yeah, it should look like "ForwardX11 yes" but be commented out. You have to uncomment it out or change no to yes or something. It'll be pretty obvious. |
| 21:45.43 | astronut | err, the WOL works after shutting down in that manner |
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| 21:45.54 | pipeline | astronut: ACPI weirdness. Don't worry about it. |
| 21:45.56 | kyncani | scorphus: and nothing bad happened, right ? |
| 21:45.59 | astronut | i have an abit nf7-s2 mobo |
| 21:46.04 | astronut | pipeline: well, i have a need for this to work |
| 21:46.05 | scorphus | kyncani: no |
| 21:46.05 | dabreegster | Anyone know how to tell apache2 to only serve to localhost and not the rest of the net? |
| 21:46.07 | manduca | dabreegster: I think there are settings for that in the httpd.conf file; you might try exploring that / googling for info on that. |
| 21:46.07 | astronut | pipeline: how can i fix it? |
| 21:46.09 | swatikiss | pipeline, sweet thanks :) |
| 21:46.10 | pipeline | scorphus: identd -- not a problem. |
| 21:46.14 | kyncani | scorphus: then leave it closed :) |
| 21:46.15 | pipeline | astronut: I'd disable acpi entirely. |
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| 21:46.30 | astronut | pipeline: i'm going to camp this summer...i will want to be able to boot the computer and shut it off at will |
| 21:46.40 | pipeline | dabreegster: It's easy to do, read the apache documentation. Heck, you can probably do it by just reading the comments in httpd.conf |
| 21:46.43 | astronut | pipeline: how so? kernel support? and won't that have other adverse effects? |
| 21:46.49 | dabreegster | alrighty |
| 21:46.49 | astronut | *pull kernel support |
| 21:46.52 | pipeline | astronut: Not really. ACPI is pretty worthless. |
| 21:46.58 | pipeline | astronut: just boot with "acpi=off" |
| 21:47.03 | astronut | what functionality to i loose? |
| 21:47.07 | pipeline | astronut: Power management. |
| 21:47.12 | swatikiss | pipeline, how do i restart sshd ? |
| 21:47.16 | simonrvn | "lose" |
| 21:47.16 | astronut | hard drive sleep mode? |
| 21:47.20 | astronut | oops |
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| 21:47.22 | astronut | sorry |
| 21:47.22 | pipeline | swatikiss: "/etc/init.d/sshd restart" |
| 21:47.22 | scorphus | kyncani: but my IRC clients freezes for almost half a minute waiting for the server hear from identd |
| 21:47.24 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.30 | simonrvn | ssh restart |
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| 21:47.36 | scorphus | pipeline: what you think, should I keept it closed? |
| 21:47.38 | astronut | scorphus: set that port as closed |
| 21:47.39 | simonrvn | (see pollywog) |
| 21:47.41 | astronut | as opposed to filtered |
| 21:47.53 | swatikiss | cool thanks |
| 21:47.55 | astronut | scorphus: what you can do, is set it closed for the irc serves you connect to, stealth for aynone else |
| 21:48.03 | pipeline | scorphus: I run "liedentd" which simply returns bullshit information to requesters without denying the request. Some IRC servers won't let you log on without it. |
| 21:48.12 | kyncani | scorphus: with freenode ?!? |
| 21:48.32 | astronut | pipeline: what power managment features would i be using that i'd lose? I2C? |
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| 21:48.45 | scorphus | astronut: nice |
| 21:48.51 | pipeline | astronut: I2C is not related. |
| 21:48.51 | scorphus | pipeline: thx |
| 21:48.52 | simonrvn | kyncani: no, efnet is like that. no ident, denied connection. freenode doesn't require it otherwise you wouldn't have connected |
| 21:48.53 | manduca | dabreegster: the comments in httpd.conf are good enough; what you'll want look for is the area that controls access to each area (e.g. /var/www) and set it to only allow from localhost |
| 21:48.57 | Rawplayer | i have 2 interfaces for internal lan in my router eth1 and eth3 the ip from eth1 is 192.168.1.1/25 and from eth3 is 192.168.2.1/25 when some uses 192.168.1.1 as default gw on his machine it should lookup in table 200 and when someone uses 192.168.2.1 on his machine as default gw it should lookup table 201 how can i manage that? |
| 21:48.59 | astronut | pipeline: ok, what is? |
| 21:49.01 | pipeline | astronut: You would probably lose no power management features. You're probably not even using them. |
| 21:49.03 | manduca | dabreegster: and deny from all else. |
| 21:49.04 | astronut | and can I turn it off at run time? |
| 21:49.07 | scorphus | kyncani: yeah, a couple minutes ago, when oppening this session |
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| 21:49.22 | pipeline | astronut: You have to disable ACPI kernel support at boot time. |
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| 21:49.27 | astronut | ok... |
| 21:49.31 | astronut | i'll test it w/ grub |
| 21:49.32 | dabreegster | manduca: alright, though I think it's a bit different for apache2. Maybe I should remove it and grab 1 |
| 21:49.33 | brullo | Weird, updated package list via dselect solved the dpkg error code (2). Whats the difference between apt-get update and dselect update option? |
| 21:49.36 | pipeline | astronut: "acpi=off" or "acpi=off apm=on" |
| 21:49.42 | astronut | ok... |
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| 21:49.50 | pipeline | astronut: No guarantees, this is just my hypothesis. |
| 21:49.56 | manduca | dabreegster: I have no experience with apache2, nor with which is better. |
| 21:49.59 | astronut | it's menu.lst right? |
| 21:50.03 | astronut | i just switched to grub recently |
| 21:50.17 | benjamindees | yes that's the config file |
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| 21:50.31 | kyncani | simonrvn: last time i looked on efnet, there was a lot of garbage around, maybe i'll take another look, but that identd thing ... |
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| 21:50.46 | Bruno_Funny | someone knows some good program ro convert vobs into MPEGS or DIVXS ? |
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| 21:51.04 | lepow | anybody could tell me what line to put in inittab so i can have a top redirected to tty10 for ex. |
| 21:51.06 | astronut | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.5 root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off apm=on |
| 21:51.08 | astronut | that look right? |
| 21:51.11 | benjamindees | a .vob is a mpegII file |
| 21:51.11 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: I know several bad ones, for instance, transcode. |
| 21:51.20 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: transcode does almost anything you want, but it's a bitch to use. |
| 21:51.22 | findme | transcode comes to mind |
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| 21:51.28 | astronut | now does grub read that file at boot or do i have to reinstall, i forget? |
| 21:51.36 | Bruno_Funny | pipeline, eheh |
| 21:51.36 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: ffmpeg is slightly less of a bitch to use and significantly less powerful. |
| 21:51.43 | kyncani | scorphus: well, if like simonrvn said, efnet is actually requiring ident information, you could do as pipeline said and set up some fake identd. |
| 21:51.44 | benjamindees | astronut, no reinstallation necessary |
| 21:51.45 | sinoth | astronut, reads at boot |
| 21:51.47 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: To get the most out of transcode, you'll need to compile it yourself. |
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| 21:52.01 | Bruno_Funny | pipeline, transcode hmm |
| 21:52.05 | Bruno_Funny | i'll look for it |
| 21:52.12 | findme | does any one know of open source tax software ? |
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| 21:52.17 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: It's a horrible, painful program that will make you stab people. |
| 21:52.21 | pipeline | findme: No such thing. Buy taxcut. |
| 21:52.36 | findme | pipeline, taxcut delux, supreme ,premier, state ? which one |
| 21:52.47 | Bruno_Funny | pipeline, Maybe you just have a bad experience with it |
| 21:52.55 | findme | i am happy with transcode |
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| 21:53.20 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: There's no such thing as a good experience. Transcode is extremely powerful and extremely difficult to use. |
| 21:53.23 | asynic | anyone good with mdadm? for some reason the second drive in the array won't come up at boot |
| 21:53.26 | asynic | I can add it after |
| 21:53.29 | asynic | which takes forever |
| 21:53.44 | Bruno_Funny | pipeline, is this command line based ? |
| 21:53.48 | pipeline | asynic: Sounds like you configured it wrong. After it's added and fully fixed and shit, dump a new configuration file. |
| 21:54.06 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: Yes. My command lines are usually 3 or 4 lines long on a 125 column display. |
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| 21:54.31 | Bruno_Funny | pipeline, ffmpeg does what I need and seems to be graphical |
| 21:54.32 | asynic | pipeline, dump a new configuration file? |
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| 21:55.00 | astronut_ | i rebooted the wrong box |
| 21:55.01 | dabreegster | findme: I recall a program for managing money related stuff being demonstrated at a LUG, hangon.. |
| 21:55.02 | pipeline | Bruno_Funny: I think there's an OSX graphical frontend to ffmpeg. ffmpeg itself is not graphical, however. |
| 21:55.10 | astronut_ | uhmm... pipeline? |
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| 21:55.22 | astronut_ | you neglected to mention i loose the ability to softly shutdown.... |
| 21:55.24 | dabreegster | findme: gnucash maybe? |
| 21:55.35 | pipeline | dabreegster, findme: gnucash is a great GTK 1.x accounting program, it doesn't do your taxes thoug.h |
| 21:55.37 | scorphus | thanks for the help! |
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| 21:55.46 | dabreegster | pipeline: oh |
| 21:55.49 | pipeline | astronut_: You should be able to use apm for that, and apm shouldn't interfere with your wake-on-lan. |
| 21:55.51 | findme | never used gnucash |
| 21:55.53 | findme | let me see what it is |
| 21:55.55 | astronut_ | pipeline: hmm |
| 21:56.02 | astronut_ | well, apprently APM isn't set up properly |
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| 21:56.09 | bhl | hello. could anyone help me, please? I am trying to open any webpage, but I got an error. this occurs only in webpages.. irc, msn works perfectly |
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| 21:56.29 | asynic | pipeline, how do I do that? |
| 21:56.37 | dabreegster | bhl: what error? try another browser? |
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| 21:56.44 | pipeline | astronut: APM and ACPI are usually pretty much the same, but APM is entirely controlled by the BIOS, ACPI is entirely controlled by the OS. You can probably guess which one is more of a bitch. |
| 21:56.46 | asynic | oh wait, nevermind. |
| 21:56.55 | pipeline | asynic: read the mdadm howto and docs, dude |
| 21:56.58 | swatikiss | pipeline, one more question - how can i log into a computer from gdm,etc so that I am logging into that computer's desktop ? |
| 21:56.58 | astronut | so how do i get apm working/ |
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| 21:57.08 | pipeline | astronut: enable it as a kernel argument as I originally suggested |
| 21:57.17 | bhl | dabreegster, I have tried in firefox (workstation) and lynx (proxy) |
| 21:57.35 | dabreegster | bhl: what's the error? 404 not found? |
| 21:57.48 | bhl | dabreegster, squid returned: (104) Connection reset by peer |
| 21:57.51 | pipeline | swatikiss: For that, you need to enable XDMCP on the remote machine. That's not very secure. It's a single line that you have to uncomment in some file in /etc/X11/gdm/ |
| 21:57.52 | astronut | pipeline: i thought i did |
| 21:57.55 | astronut | di you see the line i pasted? |
| 21:57.59 | pipeline | astronut: Nope. |
| 21:58.06 | astronut | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.5 root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off apm=on |
| 21:58.10 | pipeline | astronut: I didn't promise you anything to begin with, just gave you my guess. |
| 21:58.10 | bhl | dabreegster, and lynx: Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. |
| 21:58.17 | dabreegster | bhl: try ping google.com to make sure it's not a DNS error. Dunno why only web wouldn't work. Is your router or proxy blocking requests to port 80? |
| 21:58.18 | pipeline | astronut: You may need to do some fiddling in the BIOS. |
| 21:58.23 | dabreegster | bhl: I have no clue, sorry |
| 21:58.24 | pipeline | swatikiss: Alternatively |
| 21:58.38 | astronut | pipeline: oh lovely, my BIOS sucks |
| 21:58.53 | bhl | dabreegster, 64 bytes from 216.239.39.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=360.3 ms :( |
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| 21:59.05 | astronut | do i need kernel support for it? |
| 21:59.16 | pipeline | swatikiss: you can start a local "Xnest :51 -ac && setenv DISPLAY :51", ssh -X into the remote machine, and run "gnome-session" |
| 21:59.31 | pipeline | swatikiss: replace the "setenv" with "export DISPLAY=:51" if you're using bash |
| 21:59.37 | asynic | pipeline, ah, I think it thinks the second drive is a spair. How do I add it as a primary? |
| 21:59.39 | swatikiss | hmm, cool - and that would be more secure |
| 22:00.01 | astronut | hey pipeline, where should i look? |
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| 22:00.09 | pipeline | asynic: You have to declare the primary drives at creation time. |
| 22:00.18 | dabreegster | How do I find out my IP address? I connect through dialup with wvdial. |
| 22:00.20 | astronut | i have ACPI suspend typ, power button unction, and boot on key, etc |
| 22:00.23 | astronut | stuff |
| 22:00.26 | asynic | pipeline, ack. |
| 22:00.28 | pipeline | astronut: No way to tell, I'm afraid. Isn't PC trash hardware fun? |
| 22:00.35 | asynic | no way to add one later then? |
| 22:00.43 | dabreegster | would it be my inet address in ifconfig? |
| 22:00.53 | astronut | APIC mode? that even releated? |
| 22:01.04 | wintix | dabreegster: ifconfig, maybe. |
| 22:01.06 | streuner | dabreegster: that's your real IP |
| 22:01.10 | dabreegster | I found it. |
| 22:01.11 | pipeline | astronut: APIC and ACPI are both common causes of problems, but they're not directly related. |
| 22:01.18 | astronut | what is apic? |
| 22:01.19 | asynic | there has to be... in case a drive fails or something |
| 22:01.28 | astronut | and what's weird is the gentoo one did fine |
| 22:01.31 | astronut | perhaps it's my kernel? |
| 22:01.38 | astronut | doesn't have APM compiled in? |
| 22:01.40 | streuner | dabreegster: /whois dabreegster |
| 22:01.42 | xirtam | is anjuta in sid broken? |
| 22:02.02 | streuner | BTS would know |
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| 22:02.14 | xirtam | is anjuta in sid broken? |
| 22:02.18 | streuner | BTS would know |
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| 22:02.31 | astronut | deja-vu... |
| 22:02.34 | xirtam | i could not find anything in BTS ... but it crashes |
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| 22:02.40 | astronut | xirtam: than file a bug report |
| 22:02.51 | poonj | sinoth: which drivers did yhou use? |
| 22:02.56 | poonj | sinoth: windows xp? |
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| 22:03.00 | astronut | pipeline: how do i check if APM is enabled? /proc/...? |
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| 22:03.22 | manduca | pipeline: Well, killing the [nautilus] process didn't help anything. And, in fact, has caused the same behavior to start with other accounts. Odd. |
| 22:03.49 | pipeline | astronut: run the apm utility :| |
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| 22:03.54 | astronut | apm: command not found |
| 22:03.59 | pipeline | astronut: wake-on-lan is in the nether regions of PC support |
| 22:04.01 | pipeline | manduca: Time to reboot. |
| 22:04.16 | astronut | well, i have WOL working unless box is shutdown by debian |
| 22:04.18 | xirtam | (anjuta:5485): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 32 and height -1221052664 |
| 22:04.24 | astronut | grub shutdown, boot cd shutdown, it'll wake back up |
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| 22:04.38 | xirtam | i think this is the reason ... for the crash ... -122xxxxx as height ... |
| 22:04.57 | astronut | installing apmd |
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| 22:05.27 | astronut | astronut@debian:/proc/sys$ apm |
| 22:05.27 | astronut | No APM support in kernel |
| 22:05.29 | astronut | i figured as much |
| 22:05.31 | manduca | pipeline: or leave well enough alone and sick with my x-term started gnome session :) |
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| 22:06.14 | astronut | ....nothing like running make xconfig, going "oh shit, i'm on my windows laptop", then realizing you have an x server running |
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| 22:06.54 | dabreegster | Somebody please try opening 216.77.201.81 in a web browser. Do you get a access forbidden message or a directory listing? |
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| 22:07.34 | plasmatics | how can you change the bitmap settings for an nvidia card? |
| 22:07.40 | Mage__ | astronut: forbidden |
| 22:07.47 | Mage__ | dabreegster: forbidden |
| 22:07.48 | Mage__ | sorry |
| 22:07.50 | astronut | heh |
| 22:07.53 | dabreegster | In my /etc/httpd.conf, I changed 'Allow from all' to 'Allow from 127.0.0.1' |
| 22:07.54 | astronut | i was checking for him too ;-P |
| 22:07.56 | ericmf | access denied |
| 22:07.59 | dabreegster | Mage__: no, that's what I'm going for. |
| 22:08.02 | astronut | cept it didn't open |
| 22:08.09 | astronut | ya |
| 22:08.10 | dabreegster | cool, that was easy. I now have my own little webserver. woo. |
| 22:08.11 | astronut | i get a 403 |
| 22:08.22 | dabreegster | excellent. |
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| 22:08.43 | astronut | recompiling, gotta go help cook dinner |
| 22:08.44 | astronut | gah |
| 22:08.50 | atrus | just for kicks ( :) ) i've got experimental pinned at 1000 so it all gets installed by default. i would however like to make exceptions for a couple things. (libtool for example). anybody what pinning rule to use, and where it would go relative to the experimental=1000 rule? |
| 22:09.24 | daft | I overclocked my cpu works fine tempature 3 degrees higher but to be sure i made a script that turns down powernowd(cpu freq deamon) and set the cpu to the lowest frequentie but i wonder how i can best trigger it |
| 22:09.35 | sime_ | i have mysql installed, but i do not want it running on boot... and there seems nothing i can do from /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 22:10.00 | kyncani | sime_: man update-rc.d |
| 22:10.09 | Mage__ | sime_: update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
| 22:10.25 | Mage__ | or apt-get install rcconf |
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| 22:10.38 | manduca | pipeline: thanks for all your help! |
| 22:10.39 | bhl | hello. I can use irc, msn, ftp etc, but I cannot open any webpage. could anyone help me? |
| 22:10.39 | plasmatics | how can you change the bitmap settings for an nvidia card? i tried just typing in bitmap but i got "Error: Can't open display: :0.0" |
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| 22:11.04 | Mage__ | bhl: port 80 blocked ? |
| 22:11.10 | Iceshadow | I am looking to find information on pulling all my ISP POP3 email to a local mail server, running spamassassin, and being able to pull my cleaned up mail from the local server... anyone know where i can look? |
| 22:11.18 | bhl | Mage__, No. |
| 22:11.32 | Mage__ | proxy ? |
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| 22:11.47 | bhl | Mage__, I use squid at my proxy |
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| 22:12.25 | daft | bhl: call you isp I had it once that they blocked 80 becose there was a worm on the pc's in a student house |
| 22:13.00 | bhl | daft, but if I connect with my Windows (workstation), it works perfectly |
| 22:13.06 | bhl | :o( |
| 22:13.08 | kyncani | Iceshadow: fetchmail and procmail ?? |
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| 22:13.20 | MunCH | Hi room |
| 22:13.38 | sime_ | kyncani, Mage__ thanks |
| 22:13.52 | Iceshadow | kyncani: i don't know exactly what i need, that's why i am asking. |
| 22:13.53 | MunCH | having a little trouble with my first debian install, could anyone be of assistance? |
| 22:14.37 | daft | bhl: in that case forget it ofc |
| 22:14.59 | bhl | daft, what is ofc? |
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| 22:15.26 | kyncani | Iceshadow: fetchmail can pop3 your mail, deliver it to a local mail server, then the local mail server can give the mail to procmail, which can be setup to use spamassassin, and (finally) deliver the mail on some maildir |
| 22:15.55 | Iceshadow | awesome :P guess that's what I am looking for. I'll RTFM on those... thanks. |
| 22:15.59 | kyncani | Iceshadow: there are plenty of documentation around for those |
| 22:17.18 | MunCH | OK well I'm trying to install gnome off the sarge CD1 iso with "apt-get install gnome" but it says:Package gnome has no instalation candidate |
| 22:17.36 | bhl | :o(((( |
| 22:18.08 | MunCH | i did it before by downloading from a mirror through http, but I dont really want to d/l 178Mb again |
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| 22:18.41 | kyncani | MunCH: uh, set up apt to use online debian repositories and apt-get gnome again ? |
| 22:19.01 | plasmatics | how can i change the bitmap settings? (i'm not talking about the application, i am talking about a graphics driver setting) i'm running a nvidia graphics driver |
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| 22:20.19 | MunCH | hmm OK I could try that but why wouldnt it work from the cd, the install didnt ask me to install any packages from cd just the base install |
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| 22:20.28 | swatikiss | is it possible to watch tv over ssh ? |
| 22:20.35 | valdyn | plasmatics: man XF86Config-4 , search "DefaultColorDepth" |
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| 22:21.04 | kyncani | MunCH: you can use apt-setup to add your cdrom to apt repository |
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| 22:21.20 | MunCH | OK, many thanks, I shall try that cheers |
| 22:21.27 | bhl | hello. could anyone help me, please? I am trying to open any webpage, but I got an error. this occurs only in webpages.. irc, msn works perfectly |
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| 22:21.43 | valdyn | plasmatics: oh or shorter, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:22.17 | plasmatics | valdyn: thanks |
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| 22:23.41 | hulo_ | swatikiss: depends what you mean by that |
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| 22:25.19 | swatikiss | hulo_, well, i guess i was wondering if there is a way i could watch tv from my tv card (thats on another computer) on this laptop ... |
| 22:25.57 | kurtak | Hello all! I'm trying to mount my dvd drive, on a thinkpad t40, but i get the error: "/dev/dvd: Input/output error mount: /dev/dvd: can't read superblock" |
| 22:26.11 | hulo_ | swatikiss: normally what you do is mount the video on the remote file system but play it with a local viewing app |
| 22:26.11 | kurtak | Anyone know what i can do to fix that problem?? |
| 22:26.31 | kurtak | i'm using the command "mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd" |
| 22:26.35 | thingfish | that's an awful lot of data to pipe through a network. |
| 22:26.46 | hulo_ | thingfish: not at all |
| 22:26.50 | abrotman | kurtak: are you in the correct group? |
| 22:26.52 | hulo_ | well |
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| 22:26.54 | hulo_ | maybe |
| 22:26.56 | thingfish | live tv? |
| 22:27.00 | hulo_ | i am thinking of videos |
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| 22:27.05 | hulo_ | like avi's |
| 22:27.09 | kurtak | abrotman: i'm trying it as root |
| 22:27.24 | plasmatics | valdyn: what do you think i should set the default colour depth to? |
| 22:27.26 | hulo_ | but i think even dvd quality is no problem |
| 22:27.29 | swatikiss | hulo_, huh, how would i mount my tv card on a remote system |
| 22:27.31 | abrotman | kurtak: ls -l /dev/dvd |
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| 22:27.45 | kurtak | abrotman: root root |
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| 22:27.59 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 22:28.22 | plasmatics | valdyn: it is currently set to 16 |
| 22:28.24 | henca | dpkg is a genius ;-D have a nice day all :-D |
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| 22:28.42 | valdyn | plasmatics: whatever you want. |
| 22:28.49 | chealer | a genius? don't underestimate dpkg, he's a bot |
| 22:28.55 | valdyn | plasmatics: why change it? |
| 22:29.08 | plasmatics | valdyn: the quality is bad (i should have said that earlier) |
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| 22:29.18 | drbombay43 | yellow ,I finally got a basic Woody install going, can or will anybody help me from here or at the least point me in the right direction,Please |
| 22:29.21 | abrotman | kurtak: no .. what device does it point at? |
| 22:29.22 | plasmatics | plasmatics: would i increase it or decrease it |
| 22:29.24 | valdyn | plasmatics: 24 is as good as it gets |
| 22:29.30 | plasmatics | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 22:29.36 | valdyn | plasmatics: = higher than eye can tell |
| 22:29.37 | henca | lol chealer I know, but anyway he could tell me how to repair my dpkg-mess :-) |
| 22:29.53 | kurtak | abrotman: oh- all it says for that is "hdc" |
| 22:30.11 | abrotman | kurtak: how many dvds did you try? |
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| 22:30.20 | abrotman | drbombay43: direction to do what? |
| 22:30.23 | kurtak | abrotman: just one |
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| 22:30.31 | swatikiss | hulo_, well, could i stream the signal with vlc or something ? |
| 22:30.36 | kurtak | abrotman: ... that someone made |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | kurtak: try a real one .. |
| 22:30.49 | bhl | hello. could anyone help me, please? I am trying to open any webpage, but I got an error. this occurs only in webpages.. irc, msn works perfectly |
| 22:31.00 | drbombay43 | adding a GUI so fourth and so on,Please |
| 22:31.05 | abrotman | bhl: try another browser? |
| 22:31.07 | abrotman | forth |
| 22:31.11 | abrotman | drbombay43: which GUI? |
| 22:31.28 | drbombay43 | Gnome |
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| 22:31.39 | abrotman | drbombay43: this is for a workstation behind a firewall? |
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| 22:31.50 | drbombay43 | yes |
| 22:31.54 | bhl | abrotman, I have tried with firefox (windows, workstation) and lynx (proxy) |
| 22:31.57 | ericmf | \leave |
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| 22:32.19 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: Are you behind a web proxy? |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | bhl: what does windows have to do with it? |
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| 22:32.37 | abrotman | !tell drbombay43 about woody->sarge |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | drbombay43: do that first .. then ask me how to install gnome |
| 22:32.56 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Because he is behind a web proxy. Thus all browsers and all OSes will fail. |
| 22:33.09 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and that has what to do with debian? |
| 22:33.12 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, yes, I use squid |
| 22:33.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Nothing at all. |
| 22:33.33 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: right :) |
| 22:33.37 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: Configure your squid properly. |
| 22:33.37 | drbombay43 | althought I would like to set it up as a work station and the firewall |
| 22:33.44 | abrotman | drbombay43: are you sure? |
| 22:33.55 | drbombay43 | yes |
| 22:33.57 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, but if I disable squid, it doesn't work yet |
| 22:33.58 | abrotman | drbombay43: don't you have another firewall/router .. like a dlink or netgear thingie? |
| 22:34.27 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: Let me guess you are on a network you don't control, right? |
| 22:34.30 | drbombay43 | riht now I'm using a FC3 install to handle this service |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | drbombay43: well . up to you . but beware that the gnome in woody is gnome1.4 |
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| 22:35.08 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, I am connected with dialup modem |
| 22:35.12 | kurtak | abrotman: okay, on a commercially made dvd it worked. Is there no way to get the 'self-rolled' one to mount? i mean, do you know what's missing there?? |
| 22:35.14 | lobarot2 | hi |
| 22:35.20 | drbombay43 | okay I see |
| 22:35.33 | lobarot2 | if i do apt-get install xchat without having an x-server install, will it install xfree86? |
| 22:35.34 | ireverentReveren | how hard is it to get buttons to work if 'xev' doesnt see them? for instance, my suspend button on my laptop.... |
| 22:35.34 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, sometimes it works... and sometimes, I dont know why, it does not |
| 22:35.38 | abrotman | kurtak: i'm not sure .. does the laptop also have windows? .. did the guy burn it with that packet writing crap? |
| 22:35.57 | drbombay43 | how about KDE? |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | uhm |
| 22:36.06 | abrotman | !info kdebase woody |
| 22:36.14 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: Find out where your ISPs office is buy a half-rack of a good microbrew take it to your ISPs network person and ask them to fix your problem for you. |
| 22:36.16 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE core applications), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.2-14.8 (woody), Packaged size: 6333 kB, Installed size: 16280 kB |
| 22:36.18 | kurtak | abrotman: haven't tried it in windows yet, but i can try; and not sure about the packet crap yet either ;) |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | drbombay43: 2.2.2 |
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| 22:36.37 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, :/ |
| 22:36.46 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: What? |
| 22:36.47 | kurtak | abrotman: he made the dvd on a mac |
| 22:36.56 | lobarot2 | the thing is that i want to use xchat remote... |
| 22:36.57 | abrotman | kurtak: give it a whirl on windows .. |
| 22:36.57 | kurtak | if that says anything more |
| 22:37.02 | thingfish | what's a "half rack"? I mean, I know it's some kind of quantity. |
| 22:37.11 | abrotman | thingfish: half rack of what? |
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| 22:37.17 | rixth | Hmm, i'm having problems compiling Xmms, eiher from the source from xmms.org or apt-get source xmms. It fails with sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' *break* sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' |
| 22:37.35 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: Cleary it is something they are doing. Likely a proxy. And yes I always suggest that people take care of my fellow router jockys. |
| 22:37.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Beer. |
| 22:37.39 | bhl | scarynetworkguy, I think that my problem isn't so serious |
| 22:37.43 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: lunch :) |
| 22:37.44 | drbombay43 | abrotman are you using a GUI and if so which one may I asked? |
| 22:37.45 | scarynetworkguy | thingfish: Half a case. |
| 22:37.48 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. |
| 22:37.53 | abrotman | drbombay43: gnome .. but i'm running sarge |
| 22:38.07 | scarynetworkguy | bhl: You should still take some good beer to the network geek at your ISP. |
| 22:38.13 | thingfish | ah, thanks, scarynetworkguy. |
| 22:38.18 | kurtak | abrotman: yeah, i got a desktop in here w/ windows and the dvd works find |
| 22:38.19 | scarynetworkguy | thingfish: NP. |
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| 22:38.30 | drbombay43 | isn't that suppose to be un stable |
| 22:38.31 | kurtak | s/find/fine |
| 22:38.31 | abrotman | kurtak: i wonder if they didn't close the session |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | kurtak: i don't know much about burning dvds in osx |
| 22:38.53 | bhl | :/ |
| 22:38.54 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: can i have a cisco? |
| 22:39.09 | thingfish | Oh, well microbrews make excellent geek gifts. |
| 22:39.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You aren't a network geek now are you? |
| 22:39.26 | abrotman | drbombay43: no .. sarge is currently testing |
| 22:39.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i want a cisco ... :( |
| 22:39.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Got .us $500? |
| 22:39.54 | abrotman | drbombay43: soon-ish-ly .. it will be released .. and sarge will become stable |
| 22:39.58 | drbombay43 | how stable I'm a newibe |
| 22:39.59 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 22:40.04 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Really? |
| 22:40.09 | abrotman | drbombay43: i've been using it for .. a year or more .. works fine |
| 22:40.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: don't you? |
| 22:40.33 | drbombay43 | which kernel? |
| 22:40.34 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: To blow on a router? Not just atm no. :) |
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| 22:40.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: didn't you just sell an abode? |
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| 22:41.55 | bhl | :[ |
| 22:41.56 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. I gave half to my Ex, cause I know she'll spend it on the kids. Paid some bills and socked the rest away in my laptop fund. :) |
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| 22:42.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: the rest? |
| 22:42.19 | ArchitectSinan | have a nice weekend all. bye for now... |
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| 22:42.36 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: but since i may be moving .. maybe i shouldn't blow it on a router :) |
| 22:43.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: No you shouldn't. |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:43.20 | paulswm | I've just realized that with all the spare bits and pieces I have laying around I only have to buy a cheap socket A mobo to have a another complete computer |
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| 22:43.44 | abrotman | !smack paulswm |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | 64bit! |
| 22:44.00 | rixth | 10:45:38 (31.96 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 4980736. Hmmm, I guess thats not a good thing. Does that mean the other end terminated my connection, or could it just happen? |
| 22:44.12 | paulswm | I have a 1.33 GHz Tbird lying around |
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| 22:44.18 | abrotman | 64bit! |
| 22:44.26 | paulswm | !beat abrotman |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | paulswm: what kind of ram? |
| 22:44.48 | paulswm | I have the cheapo PNY ram I took out of pooh |
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| 22:44.53 | abrotman | ddr/sdram? |
| 22:45.04 | kurtak | abrotman: is it possible to not close a dvd session?? b/c we just checked it out on his pc (he actually burned it with a new version of nero) and there were no options over the session |
| 22:45.09 | paulswm | ddr, pc2100 |
| 22:45.37 | rixth | Hmm, i'm having problems compiling Xmms, eiher from the source from xmms.org or apt-get source xmms. It fails with sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' *break* sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' Does anyone have any idea waht would cause this? |
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| 22:46.05 | abrotman | kurtak: i think it is .. i dont' have a dvd burner .. but that's about all i can come up with .. |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | !udf packet writing |
| 22:46.34 | dpkg | udf packet writing is, like, http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/ for recent kernels |
| 22:46.39 | abrotman | is that the right link? |
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| 22:47.28 | rixth | Who is dpkg, has he any official link with Debian? |
| 22:47.44 | rixth | Or is helping rebot |
| 22:47.47 | rixth | robot* |
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| 22:47.57 | NoGodNoMaster | hi all, anyone managed to compile kernel-source-2.6.11 with make-kpkg? |
| 22:47.58 | benjamindees | !dpkg |
| 22:47.59 | dpkg | i guess dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 22:48.07 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:48.17 | kurtak | abrotman: cool- thanks for your help! |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | kurtak: or have him close the session :) |
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| 22:49.30 | rixth | Well, that explains alot! |
| 22:49.43 | kurtak | abrotman: i would have him do that if we could! there really wasn't any option over that. i'll check it out in some other burning apps i guess |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | kurtak: in nero .. don't pick multisession .. IIRC |
| 22:51.06 | kurtak | abrotman: there's multisession options for burning a cd, but nothing of the sort for dvd burning |
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| 22:52.12 | abrotman | kurtak: hrm .. ok |
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| 22:53.57 | YouCeyE | hi.. is there anyway to save already installed apt package information to use it for future installs on many systems |
| 22:54.45 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 22:54.45 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 22:54.48 | YouCeyE | what i am looking for is.. saving important config files for future |
| 22:54.57 | abrotman | YouCeyE: oh .. not just the package list?> |
| 22:55.16 | YouCeyE | abrotman, thanks.. even the package lists too |
| 22:55.26 | PlanarPlatypus | YouCeyE, your best bet would probably be a disk image |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | YouCeyE: that will get you the package list |
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| 22:56.05 | YouCeyE | PlanarPlatypus, can u give me a hint about available s/ws |
| 22:56.10 | YouCeyE | or web pages |
| 22:56.26 | YouCeyE | is there a simple utility to save all my config on kde.. |
| 22:56.46 | YouCeyE | things like XFree86config files.. |
| 22:56.57 | kyncani | YouCeyE: maybe /var/cache/debconf (never tried it) |
| 22:57.02 | abrotman | YouCeyE: maybe /var/cache/debconf/config.dat .. but don't take my word for it |
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| 22:57.21 | PlanarPlatypus | YouCeyE, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Clone-HOWTO/ |
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| 22:57.47 | PlanarPlatypus | it is the first thing on google for "disk image linux" |
| 22:57.52 | YouCeyE | thanks |
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| 22:58.44 | Glitch_Master | What are the pipeline/device names for ALSA the would be the equivilant of "osssink" and "osssrc" for OSS, if someone would happen to know? |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | #alsa? |
| 22:58.54 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: alsasink, alsasrc |
| 22:59.08 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: They're in the gconf schemas about four inches underneath where you enter the values :P |
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| 22:59.59 | Glitch_Master | Thankyou.. That was rather easy.. and.. um.. I wasn't in gconf, I was setting GStreamer preferences. It was trying to use OSS and ALSA wasn't a default option. |
| 23:00.02 | astronut_ | pipeline: how do i check whether i'm using ACPI or APM? the "apm" command? |
| 23:01.04 | astronut_ | also, do you think that ACPI -> APM may fix my nvidia driver crashing issue? |
| 23:01.06 | pipeline | astronut_: Yes. The apm commands won't work if apm doesn't. The acpid won't work if acpi doesn't. |
| 23:01.19 | astronut_ | don't have acpid |
| 23:01.22 | astronut_ | ok, apm is running |
| 23:01.26 | pipeline | astronut_: nvidia, if it doesn't work, downgrade. Failing that, blacklist agpgart and use NvAGP |
| 23:01.42 | astronut_ | pipeline: been trying :-P |
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| 23:03.28 | abrotman | nap nap nap |
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| 23:03.43 | abrotman | astronut_: check /proc ? |
| 23:04.14 | astronut_ | abrotman: didnt' see it listed |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | astronut_: either one? |
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| 23:04.27 | l1nux | http://search.microsoft.com/search/results.aspx?view=en-us&st=b&na=82&qu=debian |
| 23:04.28 | astronut_ | meh..but apm works |
| 23:04.32 | l1nux | :D :D |
| 23:04.32 | astronut_ | and i swapped in my kernel |
| 23:04.36 | astronut_ | so i'm guessing it's good |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 23:04.42 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg, or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
| 23:04.58 | thomas_adam | Ha. |
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| 23:05.06 | astronut_ | pipeline: for some reaons, i can't compile w/o agpgart |
| 23:05.09 | thomas_adam | abrotman: --- | [HEAD] 404 Not Found |
| 23:05.11 | abrotman | thomas_adam: good response time :) |
| 23:05.14 | abrotman | thomas_adam: que? |
| 23:05.15 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Update that URL. |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | thomas_adam: just worked for me |
| 23:05.29 | astronut_ | even after the patch that makes it unneccessary (whose directions incidientally tell you to load it) |
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| 23:05.47 | abrotman | dpkg: crabpaste =~ s/jpg,/jpg/ |
| 23:05.48 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 23:05.52 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 23:05.52 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | try again! |
| 23:05.57 | thomas_adam | Yay! |
| 23:06.00 | abrotman | better? |
| 23:06.02 | astronut_ | oh, btw, i meant to ask a while ago |
| 23:06.04 | thomas_adam | Yes. |
| 23:06.15 | astronut | when i shutdown, and no one is logged in on console |
| 23:06.19 | astronut | it won't show the progress |
| 23:06.24 | abrotman | progress? |
| 23:06.27 | astronut | (shutting down this, that, etc) |
| 23:06.32 | astronut | only if i'm logged in as root |
| 23:06.56 | astronut | hmmphh |
| 23:07.00 | astronut | WOL still didn't work |
| 23:07.09 | yo2lux | ubuntu is a better desktop os than debian ? |
| 23:07.24 | astronut | when i shut dwon from deb, it won't |
| 23:07.27 | astronut | brb, cooking |
| 23:07.36 | pipeline | yo2lux: You asked this question a couple of days ago. |
| 23:07.46 | pipeline | yo2lux: What answer are you expecting from a channel called #debian ? |
| 23:08.24 | yo2lux | pipeline i don't ask this question |
| 23:08.42 | giansalvo | yo2lux: ubuntu IS debian |
| 23:08.49 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 23:08.50 | pipeline | yo2lux, giansalvo: It is certainly NOT debian. |
| 23:08.54 | abrotman | giansalvo: it is not debian! |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 23:09.01 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:09.13 | pipeline | yo2lux: Ubuntu is a knockoff of Debian. You're better off using mainline Debian, as several times as much software is available. |
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| 23:09.28 | pipeline | yo2lux: If you use Ubuntu, you'll spend half of your time trying to fix things that break when you install packages that came from Debian. |
| 23:09.43 | HeatHawk | Hey there |
| 23:10.04 | yo2lux | pipeline thanks, and sorry for my stupid question |
| 23:10.08 | HeatHawk | Im trying to use Vmware under debian sarge, and it says im missing the Xfree86-DGA extension |
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| 23:10.21 | HeatHawk | What is it, how to i get it? |
| 23:10.23 | pipeline | HeatHawk: By default, you have to be root to use DGA. |
| 23:10.36 | pipeline | HeatHawk: I wouldn't think that you would need it for VMware though. |
| 23:11.14 | kyncani | HeatHawk: isn't qemu sufficient enough ? (not vmware) ? |
| 23:11.15 | HeatHawk | pipeline, well, it works with out it, but i keep getting a warning about it |
| 23:11.43 | HeatHawk | kyncani, how come whenever i mention vmware on the internet, some one mentions qemu? :p |
| 23:11.46 | pipeline | HeatHawk: Yeah, don't worry about it. |
| 23:11.51 | pipeline | kyncani: Qemu is a pale imitation of vmware. |
| 23:12.08 | kyncani | ha |
| 23:12.09 | pipeline | HeatHawk: They probably use DGA for a faster fullscreen mode |
| 23:12.12 | Xinming | xinming@HomePc:~$ gok |
| 23:12.13 | Xinming | free(): invalid pointer 0x8096ce0! |
| 23:12.13 | Xinming | Floating point exception |
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| 23:12.24 | simonrvn | duh |
| 23:12.30 | kyncani | ... |
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| 23:12.45 | Xinming | anyone here can tell me why cause this while I ran gok? |
| 23:12.48 | HeatHawk | pipeline, ya, thats what i was thinking |
| 23:12.56 | simonrvn | how many times do you have to be told to not paste in this channel? |
| 23:12.57 | kyncani | !tell Xinming about flood |
| 23:13.03 | Iceshadow | kyncani: I also want to set up a local DNS on my home network... know any pointers for that? |
| 23:13.07 | simonrvn | sheesh |
| 23:13.19 | HeatHawk | pipeline, i just use it for testing so its not a hudge deal |
| 23:13.42 | Xinming | there just only 3 lines |
| 23:13.55 | Xinming | kyncani: there just 3 lines. >_< |
| 23:14.00 | pipeline | Iceshadow: You probably want BIND -- it sounds weird, but I would follow the tutorial in the freebsd handbook www.freebsd.org/handbook |
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| 23:14.11 | simonrvn | Xinming: at least 4 |
| 23:14.19 | Xinming | anyone here can tell me why I get this error while I ran gok for debian? |
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| 23:14.35 | simonrvn | "but but it was only 3 lines". stop pasting, and you won't have to worry about it. simple. |
| 23:14.45 | simonrvn | what's gok? |
| 23:15.05 | Xinming | simonrvn: Oops. for lines, I just want to paste 3 lines in fact. :-P |
| 23:15.11 | exobyte | are there any well-supported usb wireless network adapters? |
| 23:15.27 | simonrvn | 'gnome onscreen keyboard" |
| 23:15.34 | simonrvn | s/'/"/ |
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| 23:15.46 | Xinming | exobyte: No, |
| 23:15.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:16.05 | exobyte | Xinming: damnit |
| 23:16.10 | simonrvn | prism54 and orinoco |
| 23:16.14 | Xinming | exobyte: ??? |
| 23:16.40 | deadcat | simonrvn: orinoco is ok.. |
| 23:16.41 | Kokey | I know this is a trivial question, but I have a problem, I want to install a camera with thw usb-storage, but i can't find the /dev/sda1 |
| 23:16.44 | Xinming | what caused this error anyway |
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| 23:17.02 | Xinming | Kokey: try /dev/sda instead, |
| 23:17.13 | Xinming | Kokey: might help. but I am not sure |
| 23:17.15 | simonrvn | Xinming: the app tried to free an invalid pointer. app problem. is it reproducible? |
| 23:17.15 | YouCeyE | any neat way of setting options in .config file for kernel tuning by checking hardware reverse engineering |
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| 23:17.38 | simonrvn | YouCeyE: what? |
| 23:17.41 | Kokey | well, the problem is that I don't have any "sd" under /dev/ |
| 23:17.43 | michael | is nvidia-glx still available? I cant install it with apt-get |
| 23:17.52 | simonrvn | Kokey: so you make them |
| 23:18.00 | Xinming | simonrvn: Oops. I thought I have to wait. |
| 23:18.02 | deadcat | michael: packages.debian.org |
| 23:18.09 | YouCeyE | simonrvn, i always check the options in .config file myself.. manually |
| 23:18.16 | Kokey | simonrvn, just like that, mkdir /dev/sda ? |
| 23:18.21 | YouCeyE | any neat utility to set them by checking the hardware |
| 23:18.28 | simonrvn | kobs: it's not a directory. man MAKEDEV |
| 23:18.35 | YouCeyE | by checking lspci.. lsusb.. and so on? |
| 23:18.42 | Kokey | simonrvn, ok! let me see, thanks |
| 23:18.51 | Xinming | Kokey: No, try mount /dev/sda /mount_point_path |
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| 23:19.11 | deadcat | Kokey: cat /proc/partitions and look for sda* |
| 23:19.24 | Xinming | Kokey: Sorry, I misread your question |
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| 23:19.41 | simonrvn | YouCeyE: you're not making sense |
| 23:19.50 | Kokey | deadcat, nothing about sda or something |
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| 23:20.08 | simonrvn | (i bet soomeone forgot scsi support) |
| 23:20.14 | simonrvn | someone* |
| 23:20.33 | simonrvn | @wb caphuso |
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| 23:20.38 | ravenbird | Welcome back caphuso, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 23:21.10 | Kokey | scsi support... |
| 23:21.56 | paulswm | TCP/IP isn't chaos |
| 23:22.04 | paulswm | It just looks that way |
| 23:22.42 | Glitch_Master | Erm... I'm having some trouble configuring gconf ALSA stuff... |
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| 23:24.17 | me | my /proc/asound/pcm shows two entries, i can't use the first with apps, because it is already in use, so i have to use the second one for playing sounds. with xmms i can set it up so it does, is there a way to make alsa use this device or whatever it is by default? |
| 23:24.20 | Glitch_Master | Hrm.. |
| 23:24.21 | Glitch_Master | Um.. |
| 23:24.27 | Glitch_Master | Alright, I'll elaborate.. |
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| 23:27.48 | Glitch_Master | I'm trying to configure the GStreamer pipeline usage, and I need to have ALSA as an available option. I'd like to know exactly what to edit and how, in gconf. I've never done anything with it before. |
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| 23:28.32 | Glitch_Master | Specifically, I need to change values "osssink" and "osssrc" to "alsasink" and "alsasrc". |
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| 23:30.09 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: That's right. |
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| 23:30.21 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: If you've upgraded gstreamer recently, you may need to run "gst-register-0.8" |
| 23:30.40 | Glitch_Master | pipeline: I still have the version that came with this GNOME installation. |
| 23:30.55 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: You may still need to run the "gst-register-0.8" script. |
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| 23:31.21 | Glitch_Master | pipeline: location? |
| 23:31.40 | Raf256 | We are the USA-Borg. Prepair to be freed. You technology will be pattented. |
| 23:31.52 | astronut | pipeline: it didn't work |
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| 23:32.13 | Raf256 | *yours |
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| 23:32.36 | Raf256 | man debian is lovely, I managed to reinstall system with like thousand of applications with few clicks :) \o/ |
| 23:33.03 | astronut | pipeline: all i have to do it toggle it on just a split second and off again and ti works |
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| 23:33.22 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: It should be in your $PATH. |
| 23:33.23 | peet | !pastebin |
| 23:33.23 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | Raf256: clicks? |
| 23:33.39 | astronut | but it wont' work after i shutdown from debian |
| 23:34.26 | Raf256 | abrotman- synaptic |
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| 23:35.01 | abrotman | ew |
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| 23:35.44 | fibept | to autoload a module on boot, should i use /etc/modprobe.d /etc/modules.conf /etc/modutils /etc/modules ? |
| 23:36.08 | fibept | they all are very familiar and I seem to have several instances of the same module loading, i do not like this |
| 23:36.23 | deadcat | i have : @users hard cpu 5 : in /etc/security/limits.conf but when i login as a user, its still unlimited |
| 23:36.26 | Glitch_Master | Should $PATH echo several directories under root? |
| 23:36.26 | astronut | fibept: use the "modconf" util |
| 23:36.51 | Glitch_Master | By that I mean, as root, "echo $path" returns several directories separated by : |
| 23:36.55 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: ya |
| 23:36.59 | Glitch_Master | 'kay. |
| 23:37.09 | Glitch_Master | Wait.. |
| 23:37.11 | Glitch_Master | Not as root. |
| 23:37.11 | Glitch_Master | Sorry. |
| 23:37.14 | Glitch_Master | As user. |
| 23:37.19 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: root's PATH should have /sbin:/usr/sbin: and so on. |
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| 23:37.32 | Glitch_Master | Yeah, but I did this as user. My mistake. |
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| 23:37.43 | vanboven | Qwerty! |
| 23:37.47 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: if its default install. you're not using debian. (= |
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| 23:38.14 | Glitch_Master | I usually have my terminal logged in as root, as is the usual habit from having to do so many installations... err... |
| 23:38.28 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: learn sudo |
| 23:38.35 | Glitch_Master | I dislike sudo. |
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| 23:38.42 | Glitch_Master | It just gives you more to type. |
| 23:38.48 | giansalvo | how can I use bots? |
| 23:38.59 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: /msg dpkg <STUFF> |
| 23:38.59 | Glitch_Master | And what did you imply by that comment, deadcat? |
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| 23:39.15 | deadcat | Glitch_Master: means you shouldnt use root too much |
| 23:39.43 | Glitch_Master | I install a lot, that's all. I close terminals or log out of root when finished. Relax. |
| 23:39.58 | kmaynard | w00t--installing sarge on a p-1 233 with 32 mb ram |
| 23:40.04 | Glitch_Master | Anyway... |
| 23:40.05 | fibept | astronut: thanks, but i am wondering why there are multiple copies, btw i compile all of my kernels from source (ie not debian package source) |
| 23:40.24 | kmaynard | setting up an old box as a file server |
| 23:40.37 | abrotman | kmaynard: got you beat :) |
| 23:40.46 | kmaynard | abrotman: try me |
| 23:40.55 | abrotman | kmaynard: i dist-upgraded a 486 last week :) |
| 23:41.08 | deadcat | abrotman: last week? hehe. |
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| 23:41.13 | abrotman | yep |
| 23:41.15 | astronut | fibept: weird...esp. as modprobe should fail on repeat |
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| 23:41.20 | kmaynard | abrotman: rock on ;) |
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| 23:41.28 | abrotman | kmaynard: 6.5 hours :) |
| 23:41.29 | fibept | astronut: it does, complains that the module has already been loaded |
| 23:41.35 | deadcat | abrotman: damn. |
| 23:41.37 | Glitch_Master | Hooray. I just got 20 new plugins. |
| 23:41.50 | kmaynard | i slapped a 160 gb hd in as a slave to a 2 gb drive...this is gonna pwn |
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| 23:41.55 | fibept | astronut: but i am trying to get to the root of the problem, why does debian look in multiple places to load modules on boot? |
| 23:41.58 | ariel | hi, who has installed Xorg under Debian? |
| 23:42.04 | Glitch_Master | GYAH... Damned... keyboard tray... >.< |
| 23:42.07 | abrotman | kmaynard: uhm .. 137GB limit |
| 23:42.09 | kmaynard | ariel: yo :) |
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| 23:42.14 | kmaynard | oh wait, nvm, |
| 23:42.16 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 23:42.16 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 23:42.22 | kmaynard | i was thinking Xfree |
| 23:42.23 | [Gbillou] | hi |
| 23:42.24 | mwilson | ariel: Few people... there's no real reason to. |
| 23:42.31 | [Gbillou] | i've a lil question |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | not yet anyways |
| 23:42.39 | kmaynard | i use xorg on my gentoo box...luff it |
| 23:42.43 | abrotman | love |
| 23:42.44 | [Gbillou] | i wanna have the "connect" man |
| 23:42.46 | abrotman | the word is love |
| 23:42.48 | ariel | mwilson: I 've got xorg running now |
| 23:42.49 | [Gbillou] | in local |
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| 23:42.56 | [Gbillou] | i already have the socket one |
| 23:43.00 | [Gbillou] | but not the connect one |
| 23:43.01 | kmaynard | feel the luff in the room |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | !enter |
| 23:43.03 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 23:43.04 | [Gbillou] | how can i add it? |
| 23:43.05 | mwilson | kmaynard: Somehow I doubt you can tell much difference between it and XFree. |
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| 23:43.19 | kmaynard | mwilson: just the smug satisfaction :) |
| 23:43.22 | ariel | mwilson: but after that I'm unable to access to tty1 tty2, etc |
| 23:43.29 | [Gbillou] | coz i want to be able to read it localy |
| 23:43.34 | mwilson | ariel: Why did you bother? |
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| 23:43.53 | abrotman | [Gbillou]: nothing you said made any sense |
| 23:43.56 | hulo_ | the xorg mirror at linux-systeme.com is supposed to be back up this weekend |
| 23:44.02 | [Gbillou] | lol |
| 23:44.05 | [Gbillou] | in fact.. |
| 23:44.08 | rixth | .msg dpkg windows cups |
| 23:44.16 | [Gbillou] | i can do a |
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| 23:44.20 | [Gbillou] | "man socket" |
| 23:44.20 | Glitch_Master | Alrighty... so I updated whatever gst-register-0.8 updates... |
| 23:44.23 | abrotman | !tell [Gbillou] about enter |
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| 23:44.26 | mwilson | hulo_: Whoopee. |
| 23:44.27 | ariel | mwilson: what? |
| 23:44.28 | [Gbillou] | but not a "man connect" |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | man -k connect |
| 23:44.42 | Glitch_Master | Now what do I do to get gstreamer to recognize ALSA pipelines? |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | and if it's not there .. find the fucking man page |
| 23:44.51 | Glitch_Master | Or support "custom".. and pie. |
| 23:44.52 | Ferret | thomas_adam: Did you fix url_log.pl? I couldn't get it to work. x.x |
| 23:45.00 | mwilson | ariel: I asked why you bothered. |
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| 23:45.28 | [Gbillou] | hmm still doesn't see connect .. |
| 23:45.40 | kmaynard | and now the moment of truth |
| 23:45.43 | [Gbillou] | only some man page with the word "connect" in |
| 23:45.47 | kmaynard | will my box boot? |
| 23:45.56 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I hope not -- it's *dreadful*. |
| 23:45.58 | abrotman | mwilson: the old one :) |
| 23:45.59 | ariel | mwilson: commonly I used to access to tty1 by typing Ctrl+Alt+F1 but after installing xorg I can't |
| 23:46.20 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I know us English turn out some shit -- but even I wouldn't want to infect that upon you. |
| 23:46.26 | mwilson | thomas_adam: You think so? I've seen some clips. |
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| 23:46.29 | valdyn | ariel: what about Ctrl-Alt-F2? |
| 23:46.31 | deadcat | aint this a bitch. leafpad is available for ppc AFTER i have to compile it myself. |
| 23:46.36 | abrotman | !tell [Gbillou] about search |
| 23:46.40 | thomas_adam | mwilson: To each their own, I suppose. :) |
| 23:46.42 | ariel | valdyn: the same |
| 23:46.46 | thomas_adam | Ferret: Haven't looked, yet. |
| 23:46.55 | rixth | Can anyone point me to a good Cups tutorial for sharing printers? (Linux printing to Windows) |
| 23:47.20 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Why's it so dreadful? |
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| 23:48.09 | valdyn | rixth: why a tutorial for this? just configure a printer on localhost:631 |
| 23:48.16 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Just very cheap and pporly acted to the point of being tounge-in-cheek -- granted that's part of the appeal and general charm, but it doesn't mean it is any good. :) |
| 23:48.38 | kmaynard | ok, wtf...it asks me what runlevel i wanna use...i enter 3 or 5, and it hangs |
| 23:48.42 | abrotman | i bit my tounge! |
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| 23:49.12 | hulo_ | valdyn: 631 is the port for the html config interface, not the printer itself |
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| 23:49.59 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I guess I have to wait... I can't find that there was any agreement to distribute it in the US. |
| 23:49.59 | valdyn | hulo_: the printer itself? im sure he doesnt want to talk to his parallel port directly |
| 23:50.01 | NoGodNoMaster | trying to compile kernel-source-2.6.11 i always get 'ld: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file' ... any ideas? |
| 23:51.11 | hulo_ | valdyn: port 631 is that used to configure cups, totally independent of what particular port or network location any printer(s) may be at |
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| 23:51.46 | valdyn | hulo_: no, not at all, you can select the location in localhost:631, including location, type of shared printer and whatever |
| 23:52.12 | hulo_ | valdyn: you don't know what you are even talking about |
| 23:52.19 | valdyn | hulo_: i do |
| 23:52.34 | ariel | who has any suggestion about why I'm unable to access to tty1 with xorg under Debian |
| 23:52.39 | [Gbillou] | hmm, i'll try to explain my problem using another way. i want to type "man connect" and i want it reply this -> http://www.rt.com/man/connect.2.html, in fact it reply No manual entry for connect... how can i add this entry to my man database |
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| 23:52.56 | valdyn | rixth: hopefully i understood you correctly: you want to have you cups print on a printer shared by some windows box? |
| 23:53.19 | hDy | hey guys, is it possible to do a ftp installation of Debian from a floppy drive? |
| 23:54.02 | hulo_ | use base floppies to get network up... |
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| 23:55.22 | valdyn | hulo_: you just understood me wrong. |
| 23:55.36 | hulo_ | no you are not clear |
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| 23:55.49 | hulo_ | "you can select the location in localhost:631" is gibberish |
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| 23:56.36 | Uberjohn | I'm running Sarge and I installed the 2.6.8 kernel image but if I boot to that kernel and run modconf I don't get a list of kernel modules, what else to I need to apt-get in order to get that? |
| 23:57.01 | YouCeyE | how can i set locale to "den_US" |
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| 23:57.06 | YouCeyE | "en_US" |
| 23:57.11 | mwilson | [Gbillou]: Write a man page for it, if you think there should be one. |
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| 23:57.34 | hulo_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales apt-get install localeconf dpkg-reconfigure localeconf if you want finer granularity |
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| 23:57.52 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:58.02 | poonj | hey guys, anyone here use ndiswrapper? |
| 23:58.10 | usynic | yup |
| 23:58.14 | findme | poonj, i have on a daily basis |
| 23:58.25 | poonj | when you guys compiled it |
| 23:58.28 | giansalvo | how do I recognize bots? |
| 23:58.29 | poonj | did you guys use gcc-2.95? |
| 23:58.33 | poonj | or did you use 3.3? |
| 23:58.43 | poonj | because I compiled my 2.6.11 kernel using gcc-2.96 |
| 23:58.47 | poonj | 2.95 |
| 23:58.47 | mwilson | Is ndiswrapper supposed to build under 2.95? |
| 23:58.49 | findme | mine is 3.3.5 |
| 23:58.58 | poonj | when I used gcc-3.3 |
| 23:59.03 | poonj | and I try to load it |
| 23:59.06 | poonj | it won't load |
| 23:59.12 | poonj | its recognized as an invalid module |
| 23:59.14 | hulo_ | !tell poonj about enter |
| 23:59.18 | findme | mine worked like a charm, |
| 23:59.29 | poonj | hulo_: sorry |
| 23:59.30 | YouCeyE | thanks abrotman hulo_ |
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| 23:59.40 | mwilson | I'd never use 3.x to build a kernel, but that's just me. |
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| 23:59.56 | abrotman | mwilson: 2.6 still works with 2.95? |
